[00:01] <wxl> meeehhhh
[00:01] <wxl> dude it's a dragon
[00:01] <wxl> oops
[00:01] <wxl> darn wrong channel
[00:02] <Unit193> You are *amazing* at doing that
[02:22] <voidvector> is this the official Lubuntu channel?
[02:24] <holstein> voidvector: its the only one i know of... you can review the /topic, and feel free and ask a question if you have one
[02:24] <voidvector> ok, cool
[02:26] <voidvector> i have issue with pcmanfm, whereby if i open one directory on the desktop and close it during a session, i would not be able to open another directory on the desktop
[02:26] <voidvector> i can launch it seperately and navigate to it
[02:26] <voidvector> anybody experience similar issue?
[02:27] <holstein> i use thunar
[02:27] <holstein> im not sure what the issue is
[02:27] <holstein> run me throught it again...
[02:29] <voidvector> basically the desktop in lubuntu (which i think is supplied by the first instance of pcmanfm) doesn't launch new instance of pcmanfm correctly
[02:30] <holstein> you mean ~/Desktop ?
[02:30] <holstein> correctly? or as you want it to?
[02:31] <voidvector> no
[02:31] <holstein> i remember in windows soemthing would happen where you have a directory open, and getting another instance open is a drag
[02:31] <holstein> mabye thats OSX?
[02:31] <holstein> i forget
[02:31] <holstein> im just not clear still sorry
[02:31] <holstein> when you lauch your file manager?
[02:32] <voidvector> basically the desktop doesn't launch the file manager correctly, but i can still launch file manager manually via console
[02:32] <holstein> the desktop?
[02:32] <voidvector> like folder icon in ~/Desktop
[02:32] <holstein> you mean, some icon labeled desktop?
[02:33] <holstein> what does it do?
[02:33] <holstein> does it not navigate to ~/Desktop?
[02:33] <voidvector> lets say i place a folder in ~/Desktop
[02:33] <holstein> right
[02:33] <voidvector> it shows up on my screen
[02:33] <holstein> OK...
[02:34] <holstein> ~/Desktop/test
[02:34] <holstein> you see "test" on your actual desktop?
[02:34] <voidvector> yes, and i double click it
[02:34] <holstein> OK
[02:34] <voidvector> it doesn't launch pcmanfm
[02:34] <holstein> whats it do?
[02:34] <voidvector> nothing
[02:34] <voidvector> that's the problem i have
[02:34] <holstein> eh
[02:34] <holstein> i would worry much about it
[02:34] <holstein> you can look for a bug
[02:34] <holstein> im sure there is one
[02:35] <holstein> Unit193: you know about this one?
[02:35] <holstein> i know things are lighter for a reason, and there could be something missing there
[02:35] <Unit193> holstein: What'd I miss (Tried to follow mostly, failed)
[02:36] <holstein> Unit193: say, in LXDE.... mkdir ~/Desktop/test
[02:36] <voidvector> i am gonna do a fresh install on a VM and see if the same issue happens there
[02:36] <holstein> then, you click on the "test" icon and that doesnt open in thunar
[02:36] <holstein> voidvector: another idea is that its just not associated to open in thunar for some reason... not to imply you broke it
[02:37] <Unit193> Right, desktop is pcmanfm and you're trying to get them to open in thunar?
[02:37] <holstein> Unit193: sorry
[02:37] <holstein> i meant PCman
[02:37] <holstein> ignore thunar there
[02:38] <voidvector> it actually launchs fine on first try (after a login), but fails after that
[02:38] <Unit193> holstein: So I opened a folder on the desktop (it did in pcmanfm), closed, opened another, closed, opened another
[02:38] <holstein> voidvector: wow... thats interesting... shoots the file association thing down...
[02:39] <holstein> Unit193: is that LXDE?
[02:39] <voidvector> i was trying to figure out if there is a log or something i can read
[02:39] <holstein> voidvector: you are in 11.10?
[02:39] <voidvector> but i can't find one
[02:39] <holstein> voidvector: you can also try making another user accound and see if you can replicate it there
[02:39] <Unit193> holstein: Lubuntu, but it was Maverick once
[02:40] <Unit193> voidvector: /var/log or maybe dmesg?
[02:40] <voidvector> holstein: oh, that's faster than installing a VM, i am gonna try that
[02:40] <Unit193> mv .config .configgg ;)
[02:40] <voidvector> yea, i am running 11.10
[02:41] <voidvector> brb, i am gonna try
[03:07] <djinn> Greetings, I recently installed Lubuntu and need to know how to invoke wireless networking
[03:08] <djinn> Is there a command line phrase I can use to invoke it?
[03:11] <djinn> Hey jalcine, do you know how to get the wireless on Lununtu fired up?
[03:11] <djinn> Lubuntu
[03:13] <Unit193> What's wrong? There should be a little icon down at the bottom
[03:14] <djinn> Unit193, Hey there, I click the icon and it does not give me a wireless option
[03:14] <djinn> Is there a command line option I can use to force networking to show up?
[03:15] <Unit193> If it's not showing up, that leads to driver issues, hit up   lspci   in a terminal and use paste.ubuntu.com to show the output
[03:17] <djinn> The computer in question has no internet connection now. I installed Lubuntu at a friend's place and networking was fine and all--i saw many wireless networks to pick from. When I took it home, the options were gone
[03:17] <djinn> I am using another computer at a friend's place to ask
[03:17] <djinn> I should have installed wicd-client
[03:17] <djinn> But did not
[03:18] <Unit193> I'd assume you have "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless" checked? Wireless AP close enough, and no hardware switch?
[03:20] <djinn> Bottom left hand corner, do i right or left click the windshield icon?
[03:21] <Unit193> I would think it's an up and down arrow
[03:22] <djinn> oops, bottom right hand corner
[03:22] <Unit193> ps aux|grep nm-app  and tell me if you see it
[03:22] <djinn> as root
[03:22] <djinn> ?
[03:22] <Unit193> Nope
[03:24] <voidvector> holstein & Unit193: update from 30min ago, the PCManFM problem i described happens in a fresh install of Lubuntu 11.10 with no update installed, but it is fixed in an updated version of Lubuntu
[03:25] <voidvector> so i am gonna check my own settings
[03:25] <Unit193> voidvector: Did you happen to see an update of pcmanfm go in?
[03:26] <voidvector> nevermind, it happens even in an updated version of Lubuntu
[03:26] <voidvector> but not sure why it didn't happen right after the update
[03:27] <voidvector> i am not sure if there was an update of PCManFM
[03:30] <djinn> Unit193, looks like i have no | key on the other computer
[03:31] <djinn> lovely
[03:31] <Unit193> Do you have htop?
[03:32] <djinn> Unit193, i got it working, the key was stuck and the command invoked, what am i looking for?
[03:33] <Unit193> nm-applet on that list?
[03:34] <djinn> yes it is!
[03:34] <Unit193> Didn't you say you didn't see it at the bottom?
[03:35] <djinn> when i invoke it it says an instance is already running but it could not initialize the dbus manager
[03:35] <djinn> Unit193, i did not see an option for wireless
[03:35] <djinn> It does not give me 'wireless options
[03:35] <djinn> Normally I should see several networks to choose from
[03:36] <djinn> I did not see the option to "enable wireless" at all
[03:37] <Unit193> !wifi
[03:37] <djinn> Unit193, There is a difference between Ubuntu and Lubuntu
[03:37] <djinn> They use different wirless clients
[03:38] <djinn> I just want to get the Lubuntu client to detect wirless signals
[03:38] <djinn> What do I do to get it detecting signals?
[03:39] <djinn> iwconfig
[03:39] <Unit193> The difference is only in UI, note the entire thing
[03:40] <Unit193> (UI and default programs, but most CLI things should be the same)
[03:46] <djinn> I don't understand why it worked at my friends place and I took it home and wirless is no longer an option
[03:46] <djinn> Typical linux
[03:46] <Unit193> Not really, did you have a hardware switch?
[03:47] <djinn> No, this is for a desktop
[03:47] <Unit193> USB?
[03:47] <djinn> No
[03:47] <djinn> Wireless card
[03:50] <Unit193> Can you lspci it?
[03:55]  * bkm wonders if anyone has experienced busybox using a lot of cpu. not sure why or what to do about it.
[04:10] <djinn> Unit193, yep, it's ther eis lspci
[04:28] <phillw> voidvector: I've had to mark it as invalid, as I cannot reproduce it with the steps you outlined. It works fine on my 11.10 system.
[04:29] <phillw> !bug 917475
[04:43] <voidvector> phillw: which iso image are you using?
[04:46] <phillw> voidvector: Linux piglet 3.0.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 20:28:43 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:46] <phillw> -rw-r--r-- 1 phillw phillw    702853120 2011-11-18 03:36 lubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:48] <voidvector> that's odd, i am using fresh install, and it still doesn't work for me
[04:48] <phillw> As it is my production machine, I do not do anything 'fun' with it, I have VM's to run trial ppa's etc in.
[04:49] <phillw> voidvector: the only thing I could suggest is to drop to CLI and force an apt-get update?
[04:50] <phillw> but, the GUI for update does that. try the GUI one 1st and see if anything changes.
[04:50] <voidvector> i did a apt-get update before
[04:50] <voidvector> but i didn't do dist-update
[04:50] <voidvector> doing that now to see if that changes anything
[04:52] <phillw> dist-update *should* be safe...ish, be careful if you have any ppa's enabled.
[04:53] <voidvector> well, the problem occurs on my main Linux box, but i am able to reproduce it in a VM on my windows box
[04:54] <voidvector> and this is where i am doing the dist-update
[04:55] <voidvector> oh
[04:55] <voidvector> i think i just figured out the actual problem
[04:55] <voidvector> i close the window with Ctrl-W
[04:55] <voidvector> if i close the window with the X button on the top right, it seems to work
[04:56] <bkm> despite what people here have stated, aptitude update; aptitude upgrade has a different result than apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. i know one is supposed to be a wrapper for the other, but that has not been my personal experience
[04:59] <phillw> bkm: indeed they do.
[05:00] <phillw> been there, got the tee-shirt!
[05:00] <Unit193> I never *touch* aptitude
[05:00] <bkm> phillw: do what, sorry
[05:01] <phillw> voidvector: yes, I can reproduce that :)
[05:01] <phillw> go edit the bug & I'll back it up.
[05:01] <bkm> Unit193: i would like to get apt-get to work. i'm not sure why aptitude works better. (pi88es me off!)
[05:01] <Unit193> Ctrl+q is an alt
[05:02] <Unit193> As I've seen it said; Stick to one of them and one only
[05:03] <phillw> bkm: there are differences between the two of their behaviour. I have come accross it before. It is no point the devs saying they are the same, when as they use different dbases to store things on, they are not. Hence the advisement to only use one of them.
[05:04] <bkm> phillw: that makes sense. i don't even know where the aptitude db is /etc/aptitude/sources.list {i pray not!!}
[05:04] <phillw> bkm: it could be a corrupt dbase, sam as can happen with aptitude. Nuke it and get it re-built.
[05:04] <phillw> no, it not sources!
[05:05] <bkm> phillw: perhaps you are saying that both use sources.list, but have their own dbs that operate differently?
[05:09] <phillw> they both use sources.list
[05:10] <phillw> bkm: sorry for pauses, someone wants to chmod -R 777 a phpBB type application.... I'm still in WTH mode :)
[05:11] <bkm> phillw: no worries. i appreciate the information.
[05:12] <bkm> but if anyone has thoughts on what might set busybox off, i would be interested.
[05:12] <voidvector> phillw: i updated the bug, if you can reopen it. obviously it is a low priority bug given it only affect Ctrl-W people like me :)
[05:14] <phillw> bkm: to reset apt-get use the thread at http://uug.byu.edu/pipermail/uug-list/2009-October/002919.html take time to read through the thread
[05:15] <bkm> thx
[05:21] <phillw> voidvector: confirmed
[05:22] <phillw> voidvector: it is a 'paper-cut' one of those annoying little bugs, I'm sure pcman will be quite happy to squish it dead :)
[05:23] <phillw> well, that's me done! I'm off to bed. tc
[05:46] <punkmexic> ive just installed lubuntu on my laptop but i cant hear sounds how do i fix it
[05:49] <djinn> punkmexic, perhaps as root type alsamixer
[05:50] <djinn> punkmexic, ensure all the levels are up and nothing is muted
[06:03] <punkmexic> how do i add volume icon on taskbar?
[06:04] <punkmexic> i right click and click add etc but doesnt work
[06:07] <wxl> punkmexic: what do you mean doesn't work?
[06:08] <punkmexic> it doesn add the volume icon to taskbar
[06:08] <wxl> so you right click on the panel and then "add / remove panel items"
[06:08] <punkmexic> yes
[06:09] <wxl> click "panel applets" tab
[06:09] <punkmexic> yes
[06:09] <wxl> click "add" button
[06:09] <punkmexic> yes
[06:09] <wxl> click "volume control"
[06:09] <wxl> click "add" button
[06:09] <wxl> click "close" button
[06:09] <wxl> and nothing?
[06:09] <punkmexic> yes i have 3 volume controls on panel preferences but they arent disiplayed on taskbar
[06:10] <wxl> k
[06:10] <wxl> so let's do something for grins
[06:10] <wxl> alt-f2 to get a "run" prompt and do type "openbox --restart"
[06:11] <wxl> do it again, this time "lxpanelctl restart"
[06:11] <wxl> see if that fixes anything. if not then we know it's not the window manager/panel
[06:12] <wxl> if that does nothing open up lxterminal and type "aplay -l" -- you should get some output indicating you have a playback device or two
[06:12] <wxl> if not, that's either a driver or a hardware problem
[06:12] <wxl> if that's good then type "alsamixer"
[06:13] <wxl> if you know you have multiple devices check to see that "card" lists the right one, if not select via f6
[06:13] <punkmexic> http://pastebin.com/xVhyuuCG
[06:14] <wxl> i have this sneaking suspicion it's the 2nd card you want. do you have an hdmi out on the computer?
[06:14] <punkmexic> yes
[06:14] <punkmexic> hdmi out
[06:14] <punkmexic> but i dont have anything connected or cable for it
[06:14] <wxl> yeah so the card you want in alsamixer is HDA ATI SB
[06:14] <wxl> fix it with f6 if needed
[06:15] <punkmexic> but is not saved
[06:15] <punkmexic> i always select hda ati
[06:16] <wxl> so you mean you have to select it every time?
[06:16] <wxl> the "default" if you will is not the right card?
[06:16] <punkmexic> yes
[06:16] <wxl> there's your problem
[06:16] <punkmexic> everytime i enter to alsamixer
[06:16] <wxl> one sec
[06:17] <wxl> just to be sure, in lxterminal:
[06:17] <wxl> lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"
[06:18] <punkmexic> http://pastebin.com/Av5MhHLx
[06:19] <wxl> driver seems good
[06:19] <wxl> what computer you have?
[06:20] <punkmexic> asus
[06:20] <punkmexic> looks like its working with pulseaudio and not alsamixer
[06:20] <punkmexic> maybe thats the problem
[06:21] <wxl> well
[06:21] <wxl> yeah
[06:21] <punkmexic> that the volume indicator is for alsa and not for pulse
[06:21] <wxl> that's where things get funky with ubuntu's audio
[06:21] <wxl> pulseaudio is THE audio server with an alsa plugin
[06:22] <punkmexic> what can we do to solve this
[06:22] <wxl> working on it
[06:23] <wxl> give me /etc/modprobe/alsa-base.conf
[06:25] <punkmexic> bash: /etc/modprobe/alsa-base.conf: No such file or directory
[06:25] <wxl> sorry modprobe.d
[06:26] <punkmexic> bash: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf: Permission denied
[06:26] <punkmexic> i also used sudo and says command not found
[06:26] <wxl> uh
[06:26] <wxl> wtf
[06:26] <wxl> are you trying to pastebin it or what?
[06:26] <wxl> i can more it without elevated privs
[06:27] <punkmexic> ill try to avoid pasting sorry
[06:29] <bioterror> sudo less /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[06:29] <punkmexic> are u thinking?
[06:30] <wxl> ok i found the solution
[06:30] <punkmexic> http://pastebin.com/3Hw4yLux
[06:30] <punkmexic> if you found the solution i have another problem :P
[06:30] <wxl> no nevermind i didn't
[06:30] <punkmexic> ok
[06:30] <wxl> now i'm getting my card confused with yours :D
[06:30] <punkmexic> :P
[06:30] <punkmexic> help us bioterror
[06:30] <punkmexic> :)
[06:30] <wxl> that's not the whole file is it?
[06:31] <punkmexic> i dont know i just was be able to copy that
[06:32] <bioterror> what seems to be the problem?
[06:32] <bioterror> if I may ask
[06:32] <bioterror> no sound?
[06:32] <punkmexic> i cant add the volume icon to taskbar in lubuntu
[06:32] <punkmexic> i have sound now
[06:32] <wxl> it seems his main audio device is the 2nd
[06:32] <punkmexic> but default was no sound
[06:32] <punkmexic> should i reboot?
[06:32] <wxl> so the sound is trying to go to hdmi out :(
[06:35] <punkmexic> ...
[06:35] <punkmexic> my computer is 64bit
[06:35] <punkmexic> and i installed 32
[06:36] <punkmexic> but i have read that theres no problem doing that
[06:37] <wxl> have you updated all your packages?
[06:37] <punkmexic> all of em
[06:38] <wxl> harumph
[06:38] <wxl> i see people having trouble with that card here and there but there are extremely inconclusive solutions
[06:38] <wxl> and problems too for that matter
[06:38] <wxl> i'm a bit at a loss
[06:38] <punkmexic> illl reboot to sseee what happens
[06:38] <punkmexic> brb
[06:43] <punkmexic> now i dont have sound
[06:46] <punkmexic> should i install some alsa programs
[06:47] <punkmexic> installing asoundconf-gtk
[06:55] <punkmexic> when i hit on mouse motion and put it to 100 it doesnt save that
[06:58] <punkmexic> hi
[07:39] <Ginks> anyone know how to get the archiver in lubuntu to extract to a directory of the archives name?
[07:40] <Ginks> all I can get it to do is spill all the files to the current directory
[07:40] <Ginks> then I have to try and clean up the mess
[07:40] <bioterror> someone made a worse package :(
[07:40] <bioterror> I mostly make a temp folder where I extract packages
[07:40] <Ginks> yah, guess that would work
[07:41] <Ginks> I actually right click and goto "Extract to"
[07:41] <Ginks> then I create a new folder
[07:42] <Ginks> but I liked the convince of just extracting to a directory
[07:42] <bioterror> you can never be too sure if someone else made that compressed package ,)
[07:52] <Ginks> anyone had any experience with system76 machines?
[08:15] <Ascavasaion> If I have a harddisk with no installation on it but it has data... and I want to install Lubuntu onto it.  How do I do that without losing the data?
[08:16] <Unit193> Is it in /home/user?
[08:17] <Unit193> Would be better to just back it off onto another drive in case it dosen't go well
[08:17] <Ascavasaion> No, it used to be my secondary hard disk in a Lubuntu machine, but then the first hard disk with Lubuntu on it died and I was hoping to use the secondary one as the primary one now.
[08:18] <bioterror> use gparted
[08:19] <bioterror> and resize that partition
[08:19] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Will it not destroy the data on the partition?
[08:19] <h4ckm3th32nd> you may be able to resize without damaging anything
[08:20] <Ascavasaion> Hmm... so best for me to move it into another computer... but as always my other machines are Windows and cannot read that partition :(
[08:21] <bioterror> use lubuntu live media and connect to windows computer with samba
[08:21] <bioterror> and move over network then
[08:21] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Oh, lubuntu is a live CD?  I forgot that one.
[08:22] <bioterror> all the desktop versions of *buntus are
[08:22]  * Ascavasaion grins... now to find the CD hehehe
[11:24] <IdanSuper> Hey :) I need help.. someone can help me to set up my internet card D-link DWL-650+? Through ACX100?
[11:25] <IdanSuper> I get confused...
[11:28] <IdanSuper> Ohh. I'll back later..
[12:28] <IdanSuper> Hello everybody.. I need help to set up my network adapter.. it's D-link dwl-650+...... thanks for help! I don't understand the manual to set it up on acx100 project
[12:48] <IdanSuper> Hello everybody.. I need help to set up my network adapter.. it's D-link dwl-650+...... thanks for help! I don't understand the manual to set it up on acx100 project
[13:03] <IdanSuper> please someone can help me?
[13:25] <AmberJ> IdanSuper, Unfortunately, I'm of no help in this matter. Just hang on in this channel till someone who can help gets back to you :)
[13:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> IdanSuper: Is your machine up-to-date?
[13:43] <IdanSuper> yes
[13:43] <IdanSuper> run lubuntu 11.10
[13:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think you need module-assistant. I am not sure about it. I just remember doing something like running following commands will help.  try running the following
[13:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> 1) sudo apt-get install module-assistant build-essentail
[13:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> Did you get the driver from sourceforge?
[13:46] <IdanSuper> okk
[13:46] <IdanSuper> and Yes..
[13:47] <IdanSuper> i don't know how to install the firmware
[13:47] <IdanSuper> E: Unable to locate package build-essentail
[13:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> I am not sure whether I got the right link. Just try reading http://helloubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/04/install-d-link-dwl-650-on-debian-40.html and tell me whether you have gone trough the steps before
[13:52] <IdanSuper> Okk Hope it works!!
[13:53] <IdanSuper> I need it connect to my computer during the installation?
[13:54] <IAmNotThatGuy> Aye
[13:56] <IdanSuper> and one more thing
[13:56] <IdanSuper> I don't have any file in that folder
[13:56] <IdanSuper>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:59] <IdanSuper> what Can I do.. I can't continue with the process..
[14:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> IdanSuper: you dont have /etc/apt/sources.list ?? (no .d)
[14:03] <IdanSuper> hoo
[14:03] <IdanSuper> I found it
[14:03] <IdanSuper> thank you very much again
[14:03] <IdanSuper> and I found one more thing on this process
[14:03] <IdanSuper> the firmware link doesn't work
[14:04] <IdanSuper> on the prepare the firmware
[14:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> IdanSuper: Get the firmware from sourceforge. Sorry for the late responses. I am held by some other works too
[14:06] <IdanSuper> okk..
[14:09] <IdanSuper> I don't have the url that I need to add to that file
[14:09] <IdanSuper> so I try to edit it and I don't have a permission..
[14:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> sudo ?
[14:12] <IdanSuper> why sudo will help me?
[14:12] <IdanSuper> I'm using leafpad
[14:13] <IdanSuper> not lxterminal.. its like notepad.. and it say that I need permission to save my modified file with the line that I need..
[14:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> you can set the permission by running the following to get the write permission: sudo chmod +w "file name with path"
[14:16] <IdanSuper> can't open file to write
[14:16] <IdanSuper> after run that command
[14:22] <phillw> IdanSuper: if you need to edit the sources.list, first do a sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.JIC so you have a backup, then issue gksudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can save your edit.
[14:27] <IdanSuper> W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org unstable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA
[14:29] <IdanSuper> so I can't download that:apt-get install wireless-tools module-assistant acx100-source
[14:34] <phillw> IdanSuper: give me a mo & I'll get you the link...
[14:34] <IdanSuper> ohh?
[14:34] <IdanSuper> what is mo?
[14:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> he was supposed to say min*
[14:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
[14:35] <phillw> IdanSuper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeyServerInformation
[14:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> phillw: searching for this? ^
[14:35] <phillw> IAmNotThatGuy: nope, i was searching for how to add a key :P
[14:35]  * IAmNotThatGuy prefers debian first ;P
[14:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> phillw: the link I gave has all ;P
[14:36]  * phillw prefers instructions we know work with lubuntu :P
[14:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> hehe
[14:37] <IdanSuper> okey.. I don't understand how phillw link can help me?
[14:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> you have to add a key first and that is your issue
[14:38] <phillw> IdanSuper: use it to add the key AED4B06F473041FA
[14:39] <phillw> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu  --recv-keys AED4B06F473041FA
[14:39] <phillw> IdanSuper:  ^^
[14:40] <IdanSuper> thank you!
[14:51] <IdanSuper>                                                                                ┌────────────────┤ module-assistant, error message ├─────────────────┐           │
[14:51] <IdanSuper> Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to                      │ sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives
[14:53] <IdanSuper> many trubles :(
[15:20] <Ken8521> running 11.10, i've got a realtek 8188ce wireless device, it works out of the box, but it is extremely slow (it maxes out around 100k)  functions fine under windows... not even sure where to start in looking at this.
[15:30] <pmatulis> do we really need the zeitgeist stuff on lubuntu?
[18:29] <venik212> Tried to install NVIDIA 290.10, but was told to turn off the X server.  How do I do that?  Init 3 and cntrl-alt-F1 did not work
[18:29] <venik212> lubuntu 64
[18:29] <venik212> 11.10
[18:30] <venik212> how do I kill the X server in Lubuntu?
[18:35] <smile> venik212: start a terminal and run sudo lxtask :)
[18:35] <smile> view => show root tasks
[18:35] <venik212> what does that do?
[18:36] <smile> kill xorg process :)
[18:36] <smile> venik212: it starts the task manager of lubuntu :)
[18:36] <smile> right click on xorg => force close (or something similar - i'm using the Dutch version )
[18:36] <venik212> I think I need to be in a non-gui (command line) mode
[18:37] <venik212> I'll try that
[18:37] <smile> venik212: you can start a terminal with ctrl + alt + t :)
[18:38] <bkm> that is interesting! didn't know it existed.
[18:38] <smile> venik212: you understand? :)
[18:38] <smile> bkm: you mean lxtask? :)
[18:38] <bkm> yeah
[18:39] <smile> :D
[18:39] <bkm> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" <- i get that all the time. does not seem to hurt anything
[18:39] <smile> bkm: not a problem :)
[18:39] <smile> Just that you started a Qt program :)
[18:40] <smile> (looks uglier)
[18:40] <smile> :p
[18:41] <bkm> 13107 bkm       20   0 14264 1240 1240 R 83.2  0.2   1150:23 openbox <- this has been going for quite a while. not sure what is causing it to take over my meagre resources. it DOES seem to hurt something
[18:41] <smile> I think venik killed his Xorg server ;)
[18:42] <smile> try to install a package for the canberra problem: sudo apt-get install libcanberra-gtk-module
[18:42] <smile> i've done it too ;)
[18:43] <bkm> smile: that sounds familiar...
[18:43] <smile> :)
[18:45] <bkm> smile: interesting. it's installing. i wonder if i typoed or something. why would not some dependency have installed that for me?
[18:45] <smile> bkm: because they didn't think about running a Qt program maybe :)
[18:46] <bkm> i see it a lot. i would think at some point there would be a dependency!
[18:47] <bkm> how about the openbox runaway. i'm not really sure where openbox fits in the stack (or pile, or scheme)
[18:47] <smile> bkm: yeah, strange ;)
[18:48] <smile> i don't know how to fix the openbox issue :)
[18:48] <bkm> i think i just pkilled open box and nothing bad or good happened. seemed kind of extreme!
[18:49] <smile> :o
[18:49] <smile> crazy. :p
[18:49] <bkm> i have this bad feeling that a reboot will fix it, but i would like to avoid that if possible
[18:50] <wxl> smile: what's your issue again?
[18:50] <bkm> openbox started using 80-90% of my meagre, modest cpu
[18:50] <smile> wxl: QGtkStyle is not working properly :p
[18:50] <smile> :p
[18:51] <wxl> hm
[18:51] <wxl> qt = poo
[18:51] <wxl> ;)
[18:52] <wxl> sorry, that's my unhelpful comment
[18:52] <smile> wxl: Qt WARNING: QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme.
[18:52] <bkm> are openbox and qt related at all?
[18:52] <smile> :p
[18:52] <wxl> no
[18:53] <smile> gtk-qt-engine isn't part of Ubuntu repos? :p
[18:54] <venik212> killing xorg from lxtask freezes the machine (not surprising)-- cannot use keyboard, etc.
[18:55] <smile> venik212: so? :) What did you expect to happen? :p
[18:55] <venik212> so to install NVIDIA driver I must kill the X server, but then I can do nothing
[18:55] <venik212> self defeating... ;-(
[18:56] <venik212> the Nvidia people must not want us to install their driver
[18:56] <venik212> although I did do it under Ubuntu, where sudo service lightdm stop did work
[18:56] <smile> yeah. Tried Nouveau driver? :p
[18:56] <venik212> but it does not work in lubuntu, of course
[18:59] <smile> oh :s
[18:59] <smile> I have a problem too
[18:59] <smile> Cannot find gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[18:59] <smile> :s
[19:02] <bkm> smile: indeed, the canberra message is gone. i wonder wth i tried to install last time!
[19:02] <smile> bkm :)
[19:03] <smile> bkm: you did sudo apt-get install libcanberra-gtk-module
[19:03] <smile> :)
[19:03] <bkm> not last time; the penultimate time
[19:04] <smile> huh? :p
[19:05] <bkm> the last OMEGA time, installed libcanberra-gtk-module; the OMEGA-1, OMEGA-2, etc. times, i installed things that did not help or did not work.
[19:44] <wxl> need some help helping someone: trying to get jackd2 installed on 11.10 64 bit. unlike in my experience (x86) a blue screen pops up confirming real time scheduling. he never sees that. is there a way we can make it manual?
[19:44] <wxl> you've seen those blue configuration screens, right?
[19:45] <wxl> i'm happy to dig through source files to figure out what it's actually supposed to do if i kind of know where to look
[20:27] <winbittin> Hello i bought an 2.5"/3.5" SATA Dock today and almost done sorting through 600GB old SATA disks :p
[23:39] <punkmexic> hi my mouse preferences are not saved can someone help?


[13:56] <blek> Hi all, good day. :)
[14:15] <blek> Anyone interest in helping the translation of Ubunchu, the Ubunchu manga?


[01:06] <MobileTEKPro> hello
[01:13] <knome> hello
[02:25] <xubuntu86d> ji
[02:25] <xubuntu86d> hi
[02:26] <xubuntu86d> what is it?
[03:09] <tumi12345> is it alright to ask for tech support here?
[03:15] <krytarik> tumi12345: Depends on the relation to Xubuntu, of course - I suggest you just ask. :)
[03:16] <tumi12345> im trying to install xubuntu on my desktop, i want to switch from windows right
[03:16] <tumi12345> and i downloaded the LTS torrent from the website, and created a bootable usb with unetbootin
[03:17] <tumi12345> when i try to install xubuntu, i always get an error saying that the bootloader installation failed, and the prompt tells me to try to install grub to a different partition but i can't press ok or proceed at all
[03:17] <tumi12345> so what i did is boot into the live cd and open a terminal and try to install grub manually
[03:18] <tumi12345> but i get the error saying it will not proceed with blacklists
[03:18] <tumi12345> ive looked around online for some help, in fact thats where ive learned how to isntall grub manually and stuff but so far im not really sure as what to do next
[03:20] <tumi12345> for the record i have two drives, an ssd and an hdd an im trying to install it to my ssd
[03:21] <tumi12345> sincerely apologize for the very simple questions but i can't seem to figure it out, i can post specs if needed
[08:04] <teddy> Hello
[08:43] <Spass> Hi, sometimes I get doubled network indicator on the panel, I assume one of which is 'indicator' and another is 'applet'. Usually after restart it's OK. Is there a way to fix it? I'm on 16.10 - http://pasteboard.co/p55W4p7Xb.png
[08:55] <ochosi> Spass: looks like you have indicator-network installed, which you don't need if you use the indicator-plugin and nm-applet (from the network-manager package)
[08:55] <ochosi> so you can either blacklist nm-applet's indicator in the xfce4-indicator-plugin's preferences or uninstall indicator-network
[09:10] <Spass> Yes, I prefer the look and feel of the indicator-network, blacklist was my solution, but I wanted to ask about it nonetheless. It's strange to me, that normally this second icon won't show (hidden or not), but sometimes it does. Any way to block/delete nm-applet permanently? Seems that this is an issue on 16.10, on 16.04 I never had this "problem" (I was using indicator-network all the time).
[09:18] <Spass> I mean blacklist does the job, icon is hidden and it doesn't bother me much (and 75% of the time it's not even there), but it would be perfect to know that it's not lurking on me somewhere on my panel ;)
[09:47] <hhee>  got as issue, when i copy paste in terminal, for example, i conected to remote machine, (fedora linux) copy n paste, and got 0~/usr/bin/postgresql-setup --initdb1~   <--- what is it in begin-end symbols? i exactly copied as i need. both console (local and remote) utf-8
[09:47] <hhee>  in this case i copied /usr/bin/postgresql-setup --initdb1  only
[09:50] <hhee> why some addition appear?
[11:34] <jafostes> hello
[11:36] <jafostes> remmina and rdesktop not work for remote desktop to my windows 2012 server company
[11:37] <jafostes> anyone ???
[12:07] <bazhang> not work?
[12:53] <jafostes> no
[12:53] <jafostes> Failed to connect, CredSSP required by server.
[13:47] <asante> hi, I have a xubuntu 16.04 installation on my laptop with full disk encryption. at boot, the luks dialog says that the entered passphrase is incorrect. I'm quite sure that it is correct. what is the best way to check what's going wrong there?
[13:47] <asante> I tried caps lock (the dialog does not tell, if it was pressed?)
[13:48] <asante> maybe booting into a live CD and trying to mounting the volume there is worth a try?
[14:46] <Artemis3> asante, keyboard layout?
[14:48] <xubuntu06w> console.log("hello world");
[14:49] <RFleming> Mornin' everyone!
[14:50] <xubuntu06w> Good evening ^^
[15:41] <xXLUCAXx> come posso scaricare blue stacks
[16:43] <asante> Artemis3: also checked this one..
[16:43] <asante> tried it from a live Linux, also no luck.
[16:43] <asante> is there a possibility to check of the luks header was corrupted
[16:43] <asante> like any checksums or so?
[16:54] <tonygaga> hi guys so i have this time / shutdown problem
[16:55] <tonygaga> ever since daylight saving time change my pc won't shut down anymore... but it that the right system time
[16:55] <tonygaga> so i changed it manually in the BIOS then it worked
[16:56] <tonygaga> now after some days i wanted to try it again .. i put the BIOS time 1 hour in advance now it won't shutdown again, any ideas?
[16:57] <tonygaga> i'm using xubuntu 16.04  4.4.0-45-generic #66-Ubuntu
[16:59] <tonygaga> i would be VERY glad if someone could give me a hint(which logfiles etc), last time i idled for 3hours in #Ubuntu wihout answer
[17:22] <jnj_> Has anyone gotten the kde indicator to appear in xfce?
[17:34] <tonygaga> guys please
[17:37] <pleia2> tonygaga: I'm not a guy and I don't know the answer to your question anyway, but perhaps try asking on the xubuntu-users mailing list?
[17:40] <RFleming> pleia2: hey, how's it going?  Long time no see :)
[17:40] <tonygaga> pleia2: ok i'll try thanks
[19:09] <xubuntu54w> hello there
[19:10] <xubuntu54w> if i remove a package from software, after some seconds it is there
[19:10] <xubuntu54w> what happened?
[20:02] <SuperSeriousCat> Was it "nsa-lib", xubuntu54w?
[20:16] <xubuntu75w> somebody can help me ?
[20:16] <knome> xubuntu75w, ask the real question and find out
[20:21] <xubuntu75w> I've installed several times xubuntu Lts 16.04 (fresh install), but the first thing I do is install restricted deriver for my broadcom wifi, then I reboot the system an I get a black screen after grub I can't do anything, I suspect that the problem was the xenial update at first or my video driver but now I think it could be the wifi driver. I don't know what to do.
[20:27] <knome> have you tried booting without the wifi driver?
[20:29] <xubuntu75w> the system is freezing just before the screen "/dev/sda6 ... blocks" , I cant login even or recovery mode. I don't know exactly how to disable wifi.
[20:30] <knome> no, you said the first thing you did was to install a wifi driver
[20:30] <knome> have you tried not installing that and booting?
[20:31] <xubuntu75w> No
[20:32] <knome> doing that would help either rule the possibility out that it is the wifi driver, or alternatively help confirm that it is a problem caused by that
[20:32] <knome> what is your wifi device and driver and how do you install the wifi driver?
[20:34] <xubuntu75w> I've installed with restricted drivers option (broadcom 4315) after login and with a wire conection (without wire conection it doesn't install)
[20:35] <jpt9> I just installed ocenaudio via the .deb file provided on their website, and decided to uninstall it, only to have apt tell me that removing it will free up 35.8GB of hard drive space...
[20:35] <jpt9> Clearly something's wrong here -- is there a way to see what files it will delete?
[20:36] <knome> what packages does apt say it will delete?
[20:36] <jpt9> Just ocenaudio.
[20:36] <jpt9> I only have ~14GB of space left on my SSD right now, so I don't think it can actually use up 35GB.
[20:36] <knome> i'm pretty sure it's ok in that case, but "always take backups" etc...
[20:36] <jpt9> (Also, the .deb was only 10MB.)
[20:37] <knome> the whole installation isn't 35.8GB
[20:37] <knome> do you have some files that is related to ocenaudio+
[20:39] <jpt9> Well, I just uninstalled it and nothing went wrong.
[20:39] <knome> ok, good to hear
[20:40] <jpt9> I'm not sure where it got 35.8GB from, though...
[20:40] <knome> yeah.
[20:40] <jpt9> I double-checked the size of /usr and /opt, since it put files there -- that didn't add up.  Neither did the directory of audio files I have, in case it was somehow counting stuff I opened with it.
[20:41] <jpt9> Dunno.
[20:41] <knome> yeah, applications really shouldn't remove files they didn't install...
[20:43] <jpt9> At least it's not Palm OS -- the uninstaller on there would also delete data.  Which mostly wasn't a problem -- unless you were, say, trying out multiple ebook readers.
[20:44] <jpt9> Anyway, thanks for the reassurance.
[20:44] <knome> np
[21:06] <xubuntu34w> hello there
[21:06] <xubuntu34w> I just updated my xubuntu 14.04 and now the wifi has stop working
[21:07] <xubuntu34w> anyone knows how to fix that?
[21:12] <xubuntu75w> did you update to 16.04?
[21:22] <hhee> guys, any desktop program to get new twitter news?


 I possibly just finished the final form of the clutter-gtk CPU fix. Upstream will have to decide what form of patch they like, but it's also still waiting for a separate smoothness fix
[06:49] <seb128> ah, nice
[06:49] <duflu> seb128, how are you?
[06:50] <seb128> I'm good, could have done with a bit more sleep though
[06:50] <seb128> I was up hacking on g-c-c until 1:30
[06:50] <duflu> Fun
[06:51] <seb128> indeed
[06:51] <seb128> well at least I got things working
[06:51] <seb128> I've a new panel in 3.25 for the dock settings
[06:51] <seb128> now up to Didier to deal with the backend side
[06:52] <duflu> Cool. Users love settings. I vaguely recall we had a lot more to play with in Gnome 2.x
[06:52] <duflu> and never recovered fully
[06:53] <duflu> In the old days you could set refresh rates and subpixel orders ;)
[06:55] <duflu> Interesting thought - Any machine with <= half the power of my desktop would have been too underpowered to be able to redraw a FHD 60Hz totem window. The user experience for plenty of people should improve soon
[07:04] <seb128> great
[07:45] <andyrock> seb128, didrocks on artful just after the login the deskop icons apper behind the dock
[07:45] <seb128> andyrock, yes, known issue
[07:45] <seb128> until it refreshes
[07:45] <andyrock> is anyone working on it?
[07:46] <seb128> andyrock, it you want to work on a patch that would be great
[07:46] <seb128> no
[07:46] <andyrock> kk
[07:46] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760651
[07:46] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 760651 in Desktop "Desktop icon under top panel" [Normal,New]
[07:49] <didrocks> andyrock: FYI, I implemented this + intellihide behavior in 2011
[07:49] <didrocks> andyrock: you might want to check there
[07:50] <didrocks> andyrock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1711377 has more info
[07:50] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1696621 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1711377 Desktop icons slip under the top bar and dock" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:50] <didrocks> (even if dupped)
[07:50] <didrocks> there is the first refresh issue
[07:51] <didrocks> + the fact that nautilus should learn about the icon size in intellihide mode (which isn't the STRUT, has we still want apps to maximize fullscreen)
[07:51] <andyrock> didrocks: thanks
[07:57] <seb128> didrocks, andyrock, the duplicate status is wrong imho, Didier's report included 2 issues, one is a dup and an upstream bug (the fact that it needs a refresh to do the correct layout) and one is a feature request (handling the dynamic behaviour)
[07:57] <andyrock> indeed
[07:57] <seb128> I should perhaps have renamed/retargetted to the second issue when I commented
[07:57] <andyrock> I would prefer to focus on the upstream bug
[07:57] <seb128> right,I was going to say that
[07:58] <seb128> it's the default config/the most noticable one
[08:06] <Laney> moin
[08:07]  * Laney has been to the dentist
[08:07] <willcooke> morning desktoppers
[08:07] <willcooke> Laney, was it ok?
[08:08]  * willcooke has the man from Lenovo coming today to replace the keyboard
[08:08] <Laney> got to go to the hygeinist next week /o\
[08:08] <Laney> otherwise yeh
[08:08] <Laney> wisdom teeth man
[08:08] <willcooke> :((
[08:08] <willcooke> Mine were growing well in to my 30s I think
[08:09] <davmor2> Laney: don't have them pulled out they contain all your wisdom man ;)
[08:09] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:09] <willcooke> but at least there was room for them
[08:09] <Laney> they're horizontal or something
[08:09] <willcooke> morning seb128 davmor2
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:09] <Laney> hey davmor2!
[08:09] <Laney> can I borrow yours?
[08:09] <Laney> my wisdom is lacking
[08:11] <jibel> Morning davmor2
[08:11] <davmor2> hey jibel
[08:12] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[08:12] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[08:13] <didrocks> good luck Laney, once this all is done, remember me to tell you about some horrible story I have with my widsom teeth :)
[08:13] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:13] <Laney> heh
[08:13] <Laney> we're not at the stage of doing anything yet :P
[08:15] <Laney> WAT, me ubiquity uploads failed to build
[08:15] <didrocks> on ALL archs
[08:16] <Laney> but I test built it :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[08:16] <didrocks> so dbus-update-activation-environment was enough?
[08:16] <Laney> putting it earlier was the secret
[08:16] <didrocks> Laney: ah ok ;)
[08:16] <Laney> not that I tested the actual debs
[08:16] <didrocks> Laney: from the failure, I would say missing bzr add :p
[08:17] <Laney> maybe
[08:17] <Laney> but that computer is off now and I'm in the library so can't know today :P
[08:17] <Laney> cd upub
[08:17] <Laney> wtf
[08:17] <Laney> tilix ias gone mental
[08:17] <didrocks> <missing password> ;)
[08:17] <Laney> I could see both tabs at the same time
[08:20] <seb128> does anyone have a simple example of single instance checking code?
[08:20] <seb128> I should say non-gtk one
[08:20] <seb128> or non-gapplication
[08:20] <seb128> like command line unix style :p
[08:22] <didrocks> depends on your language, but most of the time you write an <app_name>.pid in a temp fixed location and write the pid in it
[08:22] <didrocks> then, if the file exists, you check if the current pid is still running
[08:22] <didrocks> if so, exit
[08:22] <didrocks> or you overwrite it with your own pid
[08:23] <didrocks> (and try to clean it when shutting down, ofc, the first case is to handle crashes ^)
[08:23] <seb128> thanks
[08:23] <seb128> it's C, and I was trying to avoid do all that work
[08:24] <Laney> what's seb128 doing?
[08:24] <Laney> sounds intriguing
[08:24] <seb128> trying to get update-notifier to not segfault under wayland
[08:24] <didrocks> seb128: you have the run-once or so wrapper script from kirkland
[08:24] <seb128> I might just disable the single instance code
[08:24] <seb128> I can't be bothered to handle things properly
[08:24] <seb128> it currently uses the X clipboard for that
[08:25] <seb128> we have a contributor patch
[08:25] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/332753117/0001-Replaced-up_get_clipboard-with-a-pidof-hack.patch
[08:25] <seb128> I could just apply it pretending it's fine :p
[08:25] <seb128> hackish hack day!
[08:26] <seb128> we currently have no update-notifier under wayland, which means no apport prompting for issues
[08:26] <seb128> which is not a good thing, we want feedback
[08:26] <didrocks> (/me whistles)
[08:27] <pitti> oh, are we still using update-notifier for that
[08:27] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[08:27] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:27] <pitti> bonjour didrocks et seb128 !
[08:27] <pitti> isn't that the kind of thing that coudl be replaced with a session-systemd path unit
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, yeah, the apport maintainer never added a remplacement solution :p
[08:27] <seb128> you tell me :-)
[08:27] <pitti> that guy sucks!
[08:28] <didrocks> he's probably writing javascript nowdays :)
[08:28]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[08:28] <Laney> sec
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, also no pkexec for system reports under wayland...
[08:30] <pitti> urgh, we use pkexec a lot, don't we
[08:30] <seb128> sort of yes :-/
[08:30] <pitti> due to its efforts to grab the focus/keyboard?
[08:30] <pitti> (which is X only?)
[08:30] <pitti> I thought g-shell had a builtin polkit agent
[08:31] <seb128> sorry, in fact it seems it's only when .desktop use pkexec
[08:31] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763531
[08:31] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 763531 in overview "pkexec in .desktop no longer works" [Critical,Reopened]
[08:32]  * seb128 looks more at why system reports don't wokr
[08:36] <Laney> seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25476960/ maybe that's useful to you
[08:37] <Laney> update-notifier already has the path units AFAICS
[08:37] <Laney> but probably not hooked up atm
[08:40] <didrocks> Laney: but if the process crash, you don't have it cleaned up, correct?
[08:40] <seb128> Laney, thanks, I found that/considered it but was unsure if the predictable filename was an issue since something else could decide to hijack it
[08:40] <Laney> doesn't matter, it's not locked then
[08:40] <seb128> or take the lock
[08:40] <Laney> ok, as you wish
[08:41] <seb128> but I guess it can't do much damage
[08:41] <seb128> well, I'm just unsure
[08:41] <seb128> I'm not a security guy
[08:43] <Laney> what was the protection against that for the clipboard method, out of interest?
[08:43] <seb128> I guess none, you have a point :-)
[08:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks!
[08:44] <seb128> shrug
[08:44] <seb128> $ pkexec /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk /var/crash/_usr_lib_gdm3_gdm-wayland-session.1000.crash
[08:44] <seb128> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server: Impossible de se connecter : Connection refused
[08:44] <seb128> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped)
[08:44] <seb128> $ pkexec sleep 1; /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk /var/crash/_usr_lib_gdm3_gdm-wayland-session.1000.crash
[08:44] <seb128> works
[08:44] <Laney> fun
[08:44] <seb128> indeed :-/
[08:46] <pitti> you mean the "connection refused" thing was from pkexec, not apport? the second command runs apport-gtk as user, so no surprise if that works
[08:47] <seb128> ah, crap
[08:47] <seb128> thanks for pointing that out
[08:48] <seb128> I'm trying to figure out how to get a backtrace
[08:49] <seb128> ah, apport has the dump
[08:49] <seb128> even if unpack hits
[08:49] <seb128> ValueError: ['UserGroups'] has no binary content
[08:52] <seb128> #0  0x00007f9f8a172c99 in _gtk_style_provider_private_get_settings (
[08:52] <seb128>     provider=0x0) at ././gtk/gtkstyleproviderprivate.c:123
[08:57] <willcooke> duflu, koza seb128 - otp still, will be a bit late / won't make it to BT meeting.  Is there much to discuss today?
[09:00] <duflu> willcooke, running late too. Nothing I know of other than Pulse 11 is interesting
[09:01] <seb128> willcooke, duflu, koza, oh sorry, I'm in the middle of hacking and forgot about that one again
[09:01] <seb128> let's skip?
[09:01] <duflu> +1
[09:01]  * duflu wonders if koza is in there alone
[09:01] <duflu> jibel, ? ^
[09:03] <jibel> duflu, ah sorry, owm
[09:04] <jibel> duflu, or just skip :)
[09:04] <jibel> koza is not even in the room
[09:05] <seb128> let's skip then
[09:05] <seb128> duflu, pulseaudio 11 is for next cycle imho, I agree with what you wrote on the trello board
[09:05] <koza> jibel sorry
[09:06] <duflu> And good news... bluez has not released recently
[09:06] <koza> jibel seb128 duflu terribly sorry, I have been reading BT spec and did not realize it is 11 already
[09:06] <jibel> koza, nw duflu was wondering if you were in the meeting alone, and you were not :)
[09:07] <duflu> Best excuse ever for missing the BT meeting
[09:07] <koza> :)
[09:07] <seb128> koza, we decided to skip, there is not much to share and everybody is busy
[09:07] <koza> exactly, same situation on my side - not much to share, busy with other BT stuff
[09:08] <koza> (everyone now wants to use Bluetooth, this is crazy)
[09:08] <Laney> I should try this Bluetooth thing some time
[09:08] <duflu> seb128, still should PPA sooner
[09:34] <seb128> Laney, your suggestion works fine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-notifier/work-under-wayland/+merge/330271
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, thanks again ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> now to debug the under pkexec segfault
[09:37] <Laney> seb128: didn't want to check errno?
[09:37] <Laney> I guess you just exit anyway so maybe you don't care
[09:38] <Laney> good stuff
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, right, I don't want to enter into the business of dealing with situations were things in a weird state
[09:43] <seb128> just exit for now
[09:52] <seb128> so it's basically "can't use gtk under sudo/pkexec"
[09:52] <seb128> if you do that on eog or gedit it tells you it can't open the display and bails out
[09:52] <seb128> it's just that python code/apport is handling errors less well
[09:58] <seb128> k, I'm offline for a bit for debuggign&lunch, bbl
[11:10] <willcooke> man from Lenovo will be here in a mo to replace my keyboard \o/
[11:19] <willcooke> oki, bbl
[12:09] <willcooke> yay, keyboard fixed!
[12:10] <seb128> willcooke, it was still the space bar not working on the right issue?
[12:10] <willcooke> seb128, yeah
[12:10] <seb128> good that they fixed it :-)
[12:11] <willcooke> The space bar is much more positive now, you can tell that you're pressing it
[12:11] <willcooke> The engineer runs Ubuntu too :)
[12:12] <Laney> nice
[12:13] <jbicha> did you get the spacebar heating option? ;)
[12:13] <pitti> willcooke: oh wow, they sent someone? I also had the extra 24/7 worldwide plan, but they just fedexed me a replacement
[12:13] <pitti> not that I'm complaining, it's easy enough to replace; I'm just surprised
[12:13] <pitti> jbicha: indeed - winter's coming! :-)
[12:14] <willcooke> pitti, yeah, bloke came out and did it for me.  It was quite involved on this X270, he had to take the main board out, and the battery, and the hdd
[12:15] <pitti> willcooke: oh, wow; took me 5 mins to replace on my x240,  keyboard was pretty much the first thing that came off
[12:15] <pitti> maybe the design changed quite a bit
[12:17] <willcooke> Ha, I offered him a cup of tea when he got here (natch) and the first thing he asked was "which model is it?" - and suggested that if it was a 240 then there wouldnt have been time to boil the kettle :)
[12:18] <pitti> hah - so, this is much more expensive for them, teaches them right to not make the design worse :)
[12:20] <andyrock> seb128, didrocks: I got a fix
[12:20] <andyrock> mutter's fault
[12:20] <seb128> andyrock, woot
[12:20] <seb128> well done
[12:20] <andyrock> I'll propose a fix upstream
[12:21] <seb128> andyrock, send...excellent
[12:21] <andyrock> it's 1 line
[12:21] <seb128> don't forget to reassign the bug in bugzilla
[12:45] <popey> Ooh, suddenly a dropbox icon appears at the top of my 17.10 panel
[12:45] <popey> but it's not clickable :(
[12:46] <popey> (known bug?)
[12:47] <didrocks> Trevinho: ^
[12:47] <didrocks> andyrock: that's nice! the env var trick worked I guess for debugging?
[12:47] <didrocks> jbicha: btw, did you get the FFe lined up for g-c-c?
[12:47] <andyrock> didrocks: yep
[12:47] <didrocks> great ;)
[12:50] <jbicha> didrocks: yes, use LP: #1712797
[12:50] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1712797 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "FFe: gnome-control-center 3.26" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1712797
[12:51] <didrocks> jbicha: excellent! I just have some debug stack to get in the UI, and we'll be good to go!
[12:51] <jbicha> did you guys happen to fix LP: #1712104 with this patch set?
[12:51] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1712104 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Add Hot Corner switch to Dock Settings" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1712104
[12:51] <didrocks> I don't know if we want to add this, do we?
[12:51] <didrocks> right now, ubuntu session is "no hot corner", vanilla is "hot corner"
[12:51] <jbicha> it's a popular feature for some people
[12:52] <didrocks> but it's a good point, seb128, willcooke, Laney, what do you think about surfacing this option? ^
[12:52] <didrocks> (with off by default in the ubuntu session, not selectable in the vanilla one)
[12:52] <jbicha> I think most people that have already been using GNOME have gotten used to the hot corner and it's frustrating if it's not there
[12:52] <jbicha> why not selectable?
[12:52] <willcooke> didrocks, I think off by default is the right way to go, I dont have any strong preference for making it an optional thing
[12:52] <didrocks> jbicha: well, it will be upstream vanilla experience in the GNOMEsession, so on by default there
[12:52] <Laney> why is that a dock setting?
[12:53] <didrocks> Laney: where did we say it's a dock settings?
[12:53] <didrocks> oh
[12:53] <didrocks> that's the bug
[12:53] <didrocks> no, it would be in a different frame
[12:53] <didrocks> same panel
[12:53] <jbicha> or I could add it to the Tweaks app > Top Bar if you don't want it in g-c-c right now
[12:53] <didrocks> (which shouldn't be entitled "Dock")
[12:54] <Laney> I woudn't do it as a distro patch, but that might just be me
[12:54] <didrocks> I think a settings with off by default isn't that crazy, in the same panel
[12:54] <jbicha> I think there are people who don't mind the Ubuntu session but like the hot corner and telling them to use dconf-editor or gsettings directly isn't great
[12:54] <Laney> tweaks would be ok
[12:54] <didrocks> Laney: not a distro patch, but as we disable it by default…
[12:54] <didrocks> and it's a separate panel, where we have our dock settings also
[12:54] <Laney> I think the argument applies to people who don't like it enabled by default and would want to disable it
[12:54] <Laney> the GSetting is upstream too
[12:55] <didrocks> nope
[12:55] <jbicha> the gsettings is not upstream yet :(
[12:55] <didrocks> it's a patch made by upstream
[12:55] <didrocks> but not in tree
[12:55] <Laney> sure
[12:55] <Laney> but if they take it then it makes sense to expose it
[12:56] <andyrock> seb128: should I open a new bug for mutter
[12:56] <andyrock> or can I just send the patch file in the nautilus bag
[12:56] <andyrock> I cannot re-target it
[12:57] <didrocks> however, it's some place where we reverted the upstream behavior due to our dock, I guess it's sensible to expose a way to put that gesture back in, but that's just IMHO
[12:57] <didrocks> let's see what seb128 thinks about it as well once he's back
[12:58] <jbicha> if upstream could commit that patch to gnome-shell, then it makes sense in Tweaks>Top Bar upstream too
[13:13] <seb128> andyrock, reassign the bug to the right component as I said earlier
[13:14] <seb128> andyrock, why not?
[13:14] <andyrock> seb128: how can I reassign
[13:14] <seb128> didrocks, jbicha,no strong opinion, unsure how the hot corner fits with a dock, you are likely to trigger it by error when going over the most used/top icon
[13:14] <andyrock> or the ui is really bad
[13:15] <andyrock> or I'm not allowed
[13:15] <andyrock> :D
[13:15] <seb128> andyrock, the product should be a combo
[13:15] <seb128> just select another value
[13:15] <seb128> on the top of the page, second item
[13:15] <seb128> or first rather
[13:15] <didrocks> ok, looks like more for Tweaks thus
[13:16] <seb128> +1
[13:16] <didrocks> (can be conditional if the key is there)
[13:16] <didrocks> let me record that on the bug report
[13:16] <seb128> we can always add it next cycle if the user feedback tells us it's a wanted option
[13:17] <andyrock> I'm not allowed to do that https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bWbgePvT/Screenshot%20from%202017-09-06%2015-17-05.png
[13:17] <didrocks> sounds good to me
[13:17] <seb128> andyrock, ok, let me reassign for you
[13:19] <andyrock> seb128: it's mutter not gnome-shell
[13:19] <seb128> andyrock, I got an error with mutter so picked the other one
[13:19] <andyrock> kk thanks
[13:19] <seb128> those are the same people looking at both
[13:19] <seb128> so should be fine
[13:19] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-tweak-tool/commit/?id=29073dd8a70e5
[13:19] <seb128> jbicha, nice
[13:20] <jbicha> that's on git master, I need to ask the translators if I can commit to the 3.26 branch
[13:26] <willcooke> seb128, jbicha - I realised I never got round to testing the power button stuff, do I need to add some PPAs etc to see it?
[13:26] <seb128> I don't know, power/suspend handling is crap for me atm
[13:27] <seb128> I need to debug that but I'm waiting for 3.26 to land
[13:27] <seb128> also I had the suspend button extension which stopped working
[13:27] <jbicha> willcooke: if you don't want to use dconf-editor or gsettings, you need gnome-control-center 3.25.92 which is in the GNOME3 Staging PPA right now
[13:27] <seb128> quite annoying :-/
[13:27] <willcooke> jbicha, I can dconf-editor, that's fine
[13:29] <jbicha> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power power-button-action 'interactive'
[13:30] <willcooke> jbicha, works great! ship it!
[13:30] <seb128> lol
[13:31] <willcooke> seb128, are you having issues with that setting then? ^
[13:31] <Saviq> Hey all, where does unity store the display settings? I can't get it to start proper, only clue is a dialog saying it can't restore display config
[13:31] <willcooke> urgh, sounds familiar ^ ?
[13:31] <willcooke> is this the monitors.xml thing again?
[13:32] <popey> yeah, ditch (or move) the .config/monitors.xml
[13:32] <Saviq> Also gnome-shell only starts when I have my ext monitor connected...
[13:32] <willcooke> Saviq, you reckon it might be this?  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786660
[13:32] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 786660 in general "3.25.91: Unable to log in: invalid monitor configuration, Logical monitors not adjecent" [Critical,New]
[13:33] <Saviq> Ok ditching monitors.xml helped with the dialog, but unity still doesn't start :'/
[13:33] <Saviq> No window decor, runs a few secs and exits
[13:34] <didrocks> willcooke: jbicha: the settings "interactive" doesnt work for me
[13:34] <didrocks> ah, you have to press for more than 0.5s
[13:34] <didrocks> (or 1s)
[13:35] <Saviq> "Fatal: Couldn't open display :0"
[13:35] <willcooke> didrocks, that's hardware dependent I think.  When does it generate the ACPI event
[13:35] <didrocks> I don't remember to have that delay on unity
[13:35] <didrocks> but I might be wrong :)
[13:35] <willcooke> didrocks,  on X220 - yeah, I does
[13:35] <didrocks> jbicha: shouldn't that be our default for the ubuntu session?
[13:35] <willcooke> lemme check
[13:35] <didrocks> willcooke: if you have it on, yeah :) I normally press that button only when I'm upset, so not often (hem ;))
[13:36] <Saviq> But yeah, gnome-shell now starts, so monitors.xml helped here
[13:36] <jbicha> didrocks: there are a few issues with it being default but since it's in Settings>Power, it's easy for users to opt in to
[13:36] <didrocks> jbicha: do we have logs of those issues?
[13:37] <willcooke> didrocks, confirmed, same on u7
[13:37] <didrocks> willcooke: ok, "good" then :) (and thanks for checking!)
[13:37] <didrocks> willcooke: and you know what, my screen is still really readable and clean! :)
[13:37] <jbicha> I don't like having the behavior of the Power Button be different if you log in to GNOME or log in to Ubuntu
[13:37] <willcooke> Saviq, I think Trevinho is your best bet for help there
[13:38] <didrocks> jbicha: that's not really an "issue" as per deficiency
[13:38] <jbicha> what should happen if no one is logged in?
[13:38] <didrocks> like, in gdm? I don't think the settings impacts gdm here, does it? (as it's per user)
[13:38] <jbicha> it's possible to lose work if something accidentally hits the Power button and you don't notice for 60 seconds
[13:39] <jbicha> shouldn't the behavior be the same though?
[13:39] <didrocks> wasn't that the case in unity and installing ubuntu gnome?
[13:39] <didrocks> you had different behaviors
[13:39] <didrocks> and I don't think the multiple session thing is something people will switch back and forth
[13:41] <jbicha> are you sure that Unity defaults to power off when power button is pressed?
[13:41] <seb128> willcooke, sorry, GNOME fail I don't get pings notifications :-/ no, no issue with that setting, just GNOME behaves crap regarding to power manager here, like it suspend when it should, can't configure the lid close behaviour, sometime doesn't suspend when it should
[13:41] <didrocks> TBH, I think it will be more common to have people installing Tweaks and trying to enable/disable mod extensions like crazy, sounds something more important
[13:41] <didrocks> jbicha: yes
[13:41] <popey> ooh! I had that today. My laptop didn't suspend on lid close, just sat there getting warm
[13:42] <seb128> didrocks, jbicha , I didn't follow the whole discussion but unity default to display the dialog with all the action on power button event
[13:42] <jbicha> didrocks: ok, I'd like the same settings for power button action for both GNOME and "Ubuntu"
[13:43] <didrocks> jbicha: I don't think we want to change any upstream default in the vanilla session
[13:43] <didrocks> that's the point of this session
[13:45] <jbicha> hmm, maybe
[13:51] <seb128> Trevinho, you should maybe add X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes to debian/control for unity so it keeps getting its translations included in langpacks
[13:52] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, yeah... if I could just get it built in 17.10 after gcc change.... I'll be back on this soon, but having no failures in my archs makes things a bit more complicated
[13:53] <Trevinho> I might try with some qemu though
[14:20] <seb128> willcooke, those weird visual glitches don't happen only on unlock for me but also when starting e.g firefox
[14:20] <seb128> which opens maximized here
[14:20] <seb128> unsure but could be xwaylands apps only
[14:20] <willcooke> I'm seeing it under X as well
[14:21] <seb128> it's pretty recent here I think
[14:21] <seb128> it was not bothering me before
[14:21] <seb128> I wonder if that's a gnome-shell 3.25 regression
[14:21] <willcooke> I thought it might be to do with the launcher
[14:21] <willcooke> or a combination
[14:21] <seb128> it could
[14:21] <willcooke> so, that rather neatly raises this...
[14:21] <seb128> but it was not doing it with 3.24 I think
[14:22] <willcooke> andyrock, While you're poking around inside mutter, could you see if you can work out what's going on there ^
[14:22] <willcooke> you can recreate the issue in question by:
[14:22] <willcooke> maximizing a window
[14:22] <willcooke> lock
[14:22] <willcooke> unlock
[14:22] <willcooke> see the window do a little wiggle
[14:23] <andyrock> willcooke: i'll take a look
[14:23] <willcooke> thanks!
[14:33] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, I tested eog snap yesterday and it shows the thumbnails for me
[14:39] <Saviq> Trevinho: any idea about snapped remmina complaining that it can't open :0 display? I'm on wayland atm, so maybe something not working with XWayland? the app isn't shown in the gnome-shell launcher, so meh...
[14:39] <kenvandine> seb128, awesome, thanks
[14:40] <Trevinho> Saviq: mh, no I've not tried that...
[14:40] <Trevinho> Saviq: I mean, I did try that some time ago
[14:40] <kenvandine> seb128, one thing i'm noticing though, we don't get window icons for snaps
[14:40] <Trevinho> but... Not recently
[14:40] <kenvandine> if you uninstall the eog deb
[14:40] <kenvandine> then run the snap, you won't get the window icon
[14:40] <Trevinho> Saviq: it's using the snap preload though, so maybe I should fix it to use new technologies
[14:40] <kenvandine> i think we need snapd to copy out the icon like it does the desktop file
[14:41] <kenvandine> and we need to add whatever directory it's copied to for theme icons?
[14:41] <seb128> Saviq, Trevinho, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3398 for the "snaps not listed under wayland" (which is different of your display issue)
[14:41] <Saviq> seb128: ack, thanks
[14:47] <Saviq> Trevinho: can confirm it's a wayland issue, the snap works fine under Xorg
[14:49] <Trevinho> Saviq: mh, i see... I'll give it a look in next days, but there shouldn't be much different between real x and actual xwayland
[14:49] <Trevinho> Saviq: have you tried it in devmode to see where the failure is?
[14:49] <Trevinho> or if it run in that mode?
[14:50] <Saviq> Trevinho: I don't think there's a denial
[14:50] <Saviq> actually
[14:50] <Saviq> Trevinho: [ 4937.076699] audit: type=1400 audit(1504709436.461:198): apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="snap.remmina.remmina" name="/run/user/1000/wayland-0" pid=23505 comm="remmina" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[14:52] <Trevinho> mh, it might be somewhat related to some XDG_RUNTIME
[14:52] <Trevinho> it segfaults to me then, but still
[14:53] <Saviq> Trevinho: yeah segfault here, too
[14:54] <jibel> that's new, my laptop changes the brightness on its own and turns the screen off
[14:54] <jibel> exciting
[14:56] <Trevinho> Saviq: it seems setting the GDK_BACKENd doesn't change much
[14:56] <kenvandine> jibel :-D awesome
[14:56] <Trevinho> I mean to be x11
[14:56] <jibel> *something* calls /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-backlight-helper --set-brightness ...
[14:57] <jibel> but not me
[14:57] <jibel> that's really annoying, time for a reboot
[15:00] <didrocks> Laney: oh btw, while running, I think I got why you needed to set the env variable early
[15:00] <didrocks> it's actually before you start g-s-d
[15:00] <didrocks> as it's on X (don't know how it works under wayland)
[15:00] <didrocks> but it doesn't read the theme from gsettings
[15:00] <didrocks> but rather it's a xprop set by g-s-d
[15:00] <didrocks> so, you need the env var before starting it :)
[15:03] <Laney> right, it gets inserts into Net/ThemeName
[15:03] <seb128> Saviq, Trevinho, kenvandine has been fixing snaps to work under wayland, maybe he can help you
[15:35] <bdmurray> Why would I have no screensaver / lockscreen on one of my artful systems?
[15:35] <bdmurray> I looked for missing recommends and found none.
[15:35] <gQuigs> bdmurray: lightdm vs gdm, gnome-shell only works locking with gdm (AFAICT)
[15:36] <gQuigs> and then other environments don't seem to work with gdm (LXDE)
[15:38] <bdmurray> gQuigs: Do you know how I switch between them?
[15:39] <gQuigs> bdmurray: sure - sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 IIRC
[15:40] <gQuigs> then it will prompt to choose the default - then reboot and see if lock screen works
[15:41] <jbicha> bdmurray: what desktop are you using?
[15:42] <jbicha> what are you doing to try to lock your screen? (keyboard shortcut, waiting a few min. etc)
[15:44] <bdmurray> jbicha: gnome, keyboard shortcut and waiting and suspending
[15:45] <jbicha> which keyboard shortcut?
[15:45] <bdmurray> jbicha: switching to gdm3 seems to have fixed it
[15:46] <bdmurray> jbicha: super+L seems to work again so that
[15:46] <jbicha> could you file a bug against gnome-shell?
[15:47] <jbicha> I think at least the lock button in the system status menu in the right of the top bar should have been working
[15:47] <bdmurray> jbicha: sure
[15:48] <jbicha> Ubuntu's GNOME Shell carries a few lightdm patches
[15:53] <jdstrand> Saviq: you need to plug the wayland interface
[15:54] <jdstrand> Saviq: don't worry about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, the desktop part launcher is accounting for all of that
[15:55] <jdstrand> Saviq: you need 2.28 to get the wayland interface though
[15:55] <kenvandine> it's been working well for me with core from edge
[15:55] <kenvandine> all of my snaps now work with wayland
[15:56] <kenvandine> i had to add the opengl plug to quadrapassel as well
[15:56] <jdstrand> kenvandine: fyi, you should start plugging desktop and desktop-legacy now that they are committed (also 2.28)
[15:56] <jdstrand> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Interfaces#desktop
[15:56] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i'll add those to my wayland branches
[15:56] <jdstrand> Saviq: that goes for you too ^
[15:56] <kenvandine> i have branches for all of them adding wayland
[15:56] <jdstrand> cool
[15:56] <kenvandine> just not merged yet
[15:57] <jdstrand> I will be writing up some documentation in the forum for this and submitting a patch for the desktop part to advertise it
[15:57] <kenvandine> thx
[15:57] <jdstrand> just haven't gotten to it yet (2.28 isn't out yet, so that's ok)
[15:57] <kenvandine> since it'll all be in 2.28 i'll just do all of those changes in the same branches as wayland
[15:57] <kenvandine> jdstrand, when should 2.28 be out?
[15:57] <kenvandine> i thought i had heard this week
[15:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I think they are preparing it now
[15:58] <kenvandine> cool
[15:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: probably a week or so
[15:58] <kenvandine> the wayland interface is working great for me :)
[15:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: glad to hear! :)
[15:59] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I'm curious what else you did with the snaps to make them work with wayland beyond plugging the interface and using the updated desktop part
[16:00] <kenvandine> i had to add opengl to quadrapassel
[16:00] <kenvandine> that's it
[16:00] <jdstrand> ok
[16:00] <kenvandine> along with the unity7 interface of course
[16:00] <kenvandine> does desktop include opengl?
[16:00]  * kenvandine kind of thinks it should :)
[16:00] <jdstrand> oh, I think the segfaults I saw was that the gnome-24 content snap didn't work on 26.04
[16:01] <kenvandine> clutter apps need it
[16:01] <jdstrand> err
[16:01] <jdstrand> 16.04
[16:01] <jdstrand> kenvandine: so, I'd be really interested if you could drop the unity7 interface in favor of desktop and desktop-legacy
[16:01] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i can test that this week
[16:01] <jdstrand> that said, you probably want to still plugs unity7
[16:02] <jdstrand> but if you disconnect it, it would be interesting to see what denials pop out
[16:02] <jdstrand> (also disconnect x11 if you are plugging it)
[16:03] <jdstrand> in this manner we can make desktop and desktop-legacy better
[16:03] <jdstrand> kenvandine: ok, so to be clear, keep plugging unity7, but in your testing, disconnect it first
[16:04] <jdstrand> kenvandine: unless you don't expect these apps to run on unity7, then you can just drop it in favor of the other two
[16:04]  * jdstrand needs to write this forum post so everything is clear
[16:11] <bdmurray> jbicha: the lock button does work with lightdm, shall I still file a bug re keystroke and no time based locking?
[16:13] <kenvandine> jdstrand, ok, thx
[16:15] <kenvandine> jdstrand, for now i should use both desktop and desktop-legacy right?
[16:15] <kenvandine> for a11y
[16:16] <jbicha> bdmurray: yes, thanks
[16:17] <jbicha> most people using GNOME have been using GDM but there are some people who installed GNOME on Xenial who kept lightdm
[16:58]  * dobey misses unity8
[17:01] <kenvandine> dobey!
[17:02] <dobey> yup :-/
[18:10] <willcooke> night all
[18:43] <jdstrand> kenvandine: yes, both desktop and desktop-legacy
[18:44] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thx
[18:44] <jdstrand> kenvandine: desktop is 'safe' (eg, like wayland) where 'desktop-legacy' is 'transitional' (eg, like x11)
[18:44] <kenvandine> understood
[18:44] <jdstrand> kenvandine: desktop-legacy has the things that aren't safe yet, ibus, fcitx, a11y, etc
[18:45] <jdstrand> as they become safe, we'll adjust 'desktop' to have the safe accesses
[18:45] <kenvandine> cool
[19:32] <kenvandine> jdstrand, quadrapassel works with wayland, desktop, and desktop-legacy with x11 and unity7 disconnected :)
[19:33] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i do see this warning though
[19:33] <jdstrand> nice!
[19:33] <kenvandine> (quadrapassel:3338): Gdk-WARNING **: /build/gtk+3.0-GC0UmG/gtk+3.0-3.22.15/./gdk/x11/gdkwindow-x11.c:5573 drawable is not a native X11 window
[19:33] <kenvandine> which makes sense to some degree :)
[19:34] <kenvandine> ok, i get that with x11 connected as well
[19:34] <jdstrand> yeah. seems like maybe a bug in gdk
[19:34] <kenvandine> i hadn't rememberd that
[19:34] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:34] <jdstrand> thanks for testing :)
[19:34] <kenvandine> np
[19:35] <kenvandine> jdstrand, if i run into any issues i'll let you know
[19:35] <jdstrand> kenvandine: great, thanks! :)
[19:47] <gQuigs> should I remove "Flash" from the translations of ubiquity while I'm at it? (I know they will have to be retranslated anyway)
[19:47] <gQuigs> (or maybe my translation will count)
[20:08] <dmj_s76> andyrock: Trevinho: How much do you know about how Unity does backlight brightness?
[20:08] <Trevinho> dmj_s76: it's all in unity-settings-daemon
[20:10] <dmj_s76> I finally nailed down an issue we've been working around on nvidia systems to xbacklight and /sys/class/backlight getting out of sync.
[20:34] <infinity>  2978 adconrad  20   0  835048  44476  27716 S 198.3  0.2 531:02.32 gnome-software
[20:34] <infinity> Fun.
[21:49] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho WHat is happening with this ticket?
[21:49] <flexiondotorg> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2848#audit_log
[21:49] <flexiondotorg> I'm hoping to work on landing the theme fixes while at UbuCon this weekend.
[21:50] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: I was waiting my branch to be approved in order to publish
[21:50] <Trevinho> it should be the case now
[21:50] <flexiondotorg> Ideally I'd like to based on your merged fixes :-)
[21:50] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg:  nope https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/better-destructive-action/+merge/329392
[21:51] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: we can merge it for now and we can fix the issue later
[21:52] <flexiondotorg> OK. As I'm looking at themes I can take a look.
[21:52] <flexiondotorg> So, merge and then fix up.
[21:52] <flexiondotorg> OK, I have to be up in 4 hours. So catch you tomorrow :-)
[22:04] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: can you approva that MP?
[22:05] <flexiondotorg> No, I don't have those powers