[00:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> Jordan_U: it seems it did not work because the bin and cue did not have the same name, but i have 2 bin and I can't have both be the same name, right?
[00:00] <Untitled1> I guess I'll come back when Ubuntu has actual UEFI support then.
[00:00] <Rokkross> PlastikSpork: Certain filesystems do allow for full restore images.
[00:00] <Rokkross> I think ZFS does.
[00:00] <Untitled1> nilfs2 allows for arbitrary checkpoints.
[00:00] <Untitled1> I <3 nilfs2
[00:01] <iceroot> Untitled1: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Booting-Linux-using-UEFI-can-brick-Samsung-laptops-1793958.html
[00:01] <Rokkross> I honestly don't know that much about filesystems. I'll learn eventually.
[00:01] <iceroot> Untitled1: ubuntu jas uefi support
[00:01] <OerHeks> Ubuntu comes with a data backup solution, so you can backup your system too.
[00:01] <nikitis> Anyone?
[00:01] <Untitled1> iceroot: Great! Assuming I'm OK with the weird hardware bricking risk, how do I boot the Ubuntu installer on an UEFI-only box?
[00:02] <iceroot> Untitled1: ask your maufactor how to boot from usb
[00:02] <mJayk> Untitled1 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[00:02] <nikitis> I suggest returning it to manufacturer
[00:02] <mJayk> Untitled1: everything you need should be there
[00:02] <Untitled1> mJayk: If you scroll back, you see that I read that link. That link requires you to create a MBR boot stick to install for UEFI.
[00:02] <Untitled1> That only works if your laptop can boot from MBR.
[00:02] <Untitled1> I need to be all-UEFI, all the time.
[00:03] <Untitled1> So, there exists no UEFI-only install media for Ubuntu?
[00:03] <nikitis> use windows then
[00:03] <PlastikSpork> Rokkross:  whats your suggestion to get this laptop up and running again?
[00:03] <mJayk> Untitled1: sadly I wont because I wasnt in the channel then :)
[00:03] <Untitled1> nikitis: All helpful today I see.
[00:03] <iceroot> Untitled1: sure, the normal ubuntu iso
[00:03] <Rokkross> PlastikSpork: Did you type in the command I told you to?
[00:03] <iceroot> Untitled1: its not ubuntu fault if your hardware can not boot from usb
[00:03] <nikitis> Manufacturers aren't going to get the hint unless people start returning their hardware
[00:03] <Untitled1> iceroot: Where are the UEFI boot files for that iso? Can I put those on my UEFI boot partition?
[00:04] <Untitled1> iceroot: My hardware can boot from USB just fine. If it has UEFI system partitions.
[00:04] <mJayk> Untitled1:  it doesnt work like that
[00:04] <iceroot> !uefi
[00:04] <PlastikSpork> I didn't see what you typed..
[00:04] <Rokkross> cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ "
[00:04] <Untitled1> I understand.
[00:04] <Rokkross> That should show your most recently installed packages. Find one related to your video driver
[00:04] <Rokkross> it should say "ati" somewhere
[00:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> Jordan_U: seems to be working
[00:05] <PlastikSpork> gotcha hold on
[00:05] <nikitis> So does anyone know if mounting usb hdd's can still be mounted anywhere besides /media?
[00:05] <Rokkross> If the output is too long and you don't see any package related to it, try typing the same thing but like this: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ " | less
[00:05] <maki_> hi, how can I pass options to the time command?
[00:05] <maki_> when i try time -v it tries to run "-v"
[00:05] <Untitled1> When I trick the bios into trying to boot from a regular syslinux (for example) prepared USB stick, it looks at the stick, then decides there's no UEFI firmware on that stick, and moves on to the firmware on the built-in disk.
[00:05] <celso> people, curently i am using vgaswitcheroo to shutdown my ati hd5470 card to use the intel hd3000 but for a unknown reason, when i setup the stuff in rc.local file, it disables my sound card. it simply doesn't detect it. I think its because of the "sleep 6" comand that i had there. i can remove it but i will make my system freeze on boot.  but if i remove it, it detects my sound card. What to do?
[00:06] <Untitled1> If I can put UEFI firmware for Ubuntu onto a UEFI partition on a USB stick, then I can boot Ubuntu from that USB stick. <-- this is my assertion
[00:06] <iceroot> Untitled1: the link says that only the amd64  version supports uefi
[00:06] <Untitled1> Yes, and that's the version I'm using.
[00:06] <Untitled1> I can read. I've followed the page.
[00:06] <Untitled1> The page requires using a MBR-capable BIOS to boot the installer.
[00:06] <PlastikSpork> Rokkross how do you display that page by page... a whole bunch just flew by the screen
[00:06] <Untitled1> After which you can install on UEFI media.
[00:06] <Rokkross> I just said
[00:07] <Rokkross> cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ " | less
[00:07] <Rokkross> notice the change at the end
[00:07] <FuZi0N> Untitled1: i just re-logged in but it still says permission denied
[00:07] <maki_> hi, when i try "time -v program" it tries to run "-v", how can I pass an option to time?
[00:07] <Untitled1> Did you set the permissions of the file and directory to 664/775?
[00:07] <Untitled1> By default, group is not given write permission.
[00:07] <nikitis> So no one knows about USB HDD's?
[00:08] <FuZi0N> i cant even access the directory
[00:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: what are you trying to do
[00:08] <Untitled1> FuZi0N: Is the group able to read every directly from root to that location?
[00:08] <Untitled1> Once you're there, is the group set for the directory?
[00:08] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: i'm trying to have fstab mount a usb hdd on boot to /home/user/Backup dir.  But it's not happening.  If I manually mount it afterwards, it's fine.
[00:08] <Untitled1> And is the permission on the directory 775? (rwxrwxr-x)
[00:08] <anew> httpd command not found on ubuntu 10.0... what do i do ?
[00:09] <Untitled1> nikitis: You probably are suffering from a late-appearing mount.
[00:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: pastebin your fstab and lemme have a look at it
[00:09] <Untitled1> Use an udev rule to trigger the mount command. Or switch to systemd ;-)
[00:09] <iceroot> anew: sounds like you want to start apache2
[00:10] <anew> start apache2 ?
[00:10] <iceroot> anew: what is your real question?
[00:10] <FuZi0N> Untitled1 how do i set the group for a specific directory?
[00:10] <anew> that is my question... how do i use httpd if it says command not found
[00:10] <iceroot> anew: what you want to do with httpd (httpd is apache 2 the http webserver)
[00:11] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: http://pastebin.com/iLYBGYQk
[00:11] <anew> i need to use httpd -X
[00:11] <mJayk> Does anyone here run Gnome with ubuntu
[00:11] <mJayk> ive been force to fedora and started to fall in love iwht gnome
[00:11] <iceroot> anew: for what reason? again, what is the real question? what you want zo do?
[00:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> mJayk: I have gnome
[00:11] <anew> i have a 500 error and need to figure out why
[00:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: I meant the whole thing
[00:11] <mJayk> ntzrmtthihu777: did you install the desktop or did you install the ubuntu gnome remix thing
[00:12] <iceroot> anew: you have a 500 error on your own webserver?
[00:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> mJayk: I am using pinguy os 12.04
[00:12] <anew> yes
[00:12] <anew> iceroot
[00:12] <iceroot> anew: less /var/log/apache2/error.log
[00:12] <anew> obviously already tried that...
[00:12] <iceroot> anew: could you please post usefull details?
[00:12] <mJayk> ntzrmtthihu777:  ah ok
[00:12] <iceroot> anew: so we dont have to guess everything
[00:12] <mJayk> ntzrmtthihu777: cheers :)
[00:13] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: http://pastebin.com/Nzr5pXBd
[00:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> mJayk: pinguy os is ubuntu, its just pre-customized (very nicely I might add)
[00:13] <anew> my details are : when i type in httpd i get command not found.  the binary was renamed so how do i figure out what it was renamed to
[00:13] <iceroot> anew: who renamed the binary?
[00:13] <iceroot> anew: and the binary is called "apache2"
[00:14] <anew> i have no idea !!
[00:14] <iceroot> anew: that is the default webserver on ubuntu
[00:14] <MoPac> So I'm having trouble getting gDevilspie scripts to automatically move a window to a certain viewport/workspace. Has anyone here succeeded with that?  It's annoying to have a jumble of Devilspie and Compiz settins
[00:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: you should use default options and pass 0
[00:14] <PlastikSpork> Rokkross how do you search that. dpkg.log
[00:15] <nikitis> shoudn't it be 0 2?  cause it should mount after /dev/sda1?
[00:15] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: so just defaults 0 0
[00:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> that only matters if its the same physical device, if its a separate device you can do it at the same time
[00:16] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: ah didn't know that
[00:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: man fstab will tell you more, if you wanna learn
[00:19] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: Back, that didn't work  Same result
[00:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> man is, imho, one of the most useful commands you can learn.
[00:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: are you sure you got the right uuid?
[00:19] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: possitive, checked twice, but I will check a 3rd
[00:20] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="The Bible" UUID="c8280782-d76f-4f3b-bcdf-6dd7cdef3882" TYPE="ext4"
[00:20] <nikitis> that's the one
[00:21] <nikitis> from blkid
[00:21] <SiegeLord> My X11 crashed... where should I report the bug?
[00:22] <dr_willis> !bug
[00:22] <dr_willis> of course you need to determine if it was X11 bug.. or a video driver bug..
[00:22] <SiegeLord> I have a backtrace... the actual crash is inside libpixman
[00:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> nikitis: well it that does not do it there is a gui tool for doing it, storage device manager
[00:23] <dr_willis> id search the bug reports for allready reported similer bugs first
[00:23] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: when mounting after the fact using sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1/ /home/nikitis/Backup
[00:24] <nikitis> ntzrmtthihu777: it works fine. but just can't get it to automount.  I was reading somewhere that possibly udisk2 prevents mounting in /home dir's anymore and it has to be in /media/username.  that had better not be true.
[00:24] <dr_willis> nikitis:  not using an encrypted home are you?
[00:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: well he did have crypt swap, so maybe
[00:25] <nikitis> dr_willis: don't think so, but i'm not entirely sure
[00:25] <dr_willis> nikitis:  you could mount it  to /media/whatever and have a link in your users home to it..
[00:25] <nikitis> dr_willis: how can i check
[00:25] <dr_willis> no idea. I dont use encrypted stuff. ;)
[00:25] <nikitis> dr_willis: i don't usually either, but it's possible i forgot to uncheck during install
[00:26] <SiegeLord> Hmm... now I'm using Mint KDE... should I send it along to Mint or Ubuntu?
[00:26] <dr_willis> if you login to rescue/recovery mode and look in your home and see no real files/ :) is how people normally discover it
[00:26] <memand> Could someone help me determine which of the cips specified on page 4 of this doc http://www.lenovo.com/shop/emea/content/pdf/notebooks/thinkpad/x-series/X121e_AMD/en/X121e_DS_AMD_EN.pdf is the GPU?
[00:26] <SiegeLord> It's probably the same underlying package
[00:26] <memand> s/cips/chips/
[00:26] <dr_willis> SiegeLord: if you are using mint.. send it to the mint guys
[00:26] <SiegeLord> Ok
[00:27] <dr_willis> if you can repeate the same bug on ubuntu.. then send it to the ubuntu guys
[00:27] <fluvvell> Anybody here know much about GPT and grub setup?
[00:28] <fluvvell> I've setup a new drive with GPT and copied my system to it. It doesnt really boot without some assistance from a boot disk.
[00:28] <memand> ntzrmtthihu777: I was a bit away (helping my friend transition from wondoze to ubuntu) but did you get the guy with the screen of death sorted?
[00:28] <memand> s/wondoze/windoze/
[00:31] <nikitis> dr_willis: i don't think it is encrypted, cause wouldn't I have had to set a passphrase?  I never did such a thing.
[00:31] <spason> Thanks all for your help today- I'm all systems go, and couldn't have done it without you!
[00:31] <spason> spason out
[00:34] <servvs> is there a way to have a default where all traffic goes through a VPN and then specify some traffic to not go through the vpn?
[00:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> later all, gotta reboot
[00:35] <joe_onereb> Recently I put together a new pc and loaded Ubuntu 12.10 for the most part everything went great but now I can't see other computers on my home network. Normally it's a piece of cake, also I have set up my Canon Pixma MX882 several different times on other computers but now it just won't set up. Is there anyone that can help me out? Thanks for any help.
[00:37] <selena2013> i love ubuntu
[00:37] <rockking> i
[00:37] <memand> selena2013: And ubuntu loves you!
[00:37] <selena2013> awww lol
[00:38] <Hateyoface> sup guys
[00:38] <Nach0z> hey guys, I'm trying to get my ubuntu to recognize my screen size (1366x768
[00:38] <Nach0z> but having no luck with it at all
[00:39] <Nach0z> and I think the problem is that it's using the vesa drivers, but I can't get it to use anything else. even uninstalled vesa, and that just made it not able to start X at all
[00:39] <drleviathan> joe_onereb, when you say you can't see other computers on your "home network" you're talking about a samba ("windows workgroup" or "NetBios") network?
[00:42] <Boohbah> hey guys, did you hear about the new display server?
[00:42] <nikitis> Is there some kind of delay you can set on mounting from fstab to automount a usbhdd?
[00:42] <Boohbah> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzY
[00:42] <nikitis> I think my drive may not be mounting properly due to it not being ready
[00:43] <kostkon> Boohbah, the usual red hat bashing against canonical. ignore it
[00:45] <Taev> Im setting up a RAID partition in Ubuntu, under manual, I've got RAID0 Device #127 28.6gb Linux Software RAID Array, #1 F ext4 mount as /
[00:45] <Taev> and SCSI3 SDA5 logical 14.3gb f ext4  , and SCSI5 SDB2 14.3gb f ext4
[00:45] <Boohbah> kostkon: Kristian Høgsberg works at Intel and Daniel Stone works at Collabora Ltd.
[00:45] <drleviathan> nikitis, one idea would be to add the mount of that drive to the init scripts, probably to /etc/rc.local whose purpose is for custom config stuff that happens at the end if the init process
[00:46] <Taev> when i go to finish partitioning it says i didnt select a mount point for /sda5
[00:46] <Taev> even though i selected them combined into the root partition as /
[00:46] <Boohbah> kostkon: it sounds to me like canonical is having another case of NIH-syndrome
[00:46] <kostkon> Boohbah, eh whatever :P that belongs to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:47] <kostkon> Boohbah, yeah, possibly. but we can't discuss it here :(
[00:47] <Taev> No mount point is assigned for the ext4 file system in partition #4 of SCSI3, If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and assign a mount point from there, this partition will not be used at all
[00:47] <Boohbah> kostkon: isn't this the ubuntu channel?
[00:47] <mJayk> Boohbah: NIH ?
[00:47] <Taev> but the "RAID" partition those 2 created is mounted as /
[00:47] <Taev> should I go forward?
[00:47] <kostkon> Boohbah, this channel is only for support.
[00:48] <mJayk> kostkon: friendly banter isnt bad :)
[00:48] <kostkon> Boohbah, for general discussion, there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:49] <Taev> should i leave the mount points blank for /dev/sda5 and /dev/sdb2 since they are being combined into "RAID0 Device that is mounted as /
[00:50] <Taev> please anyone? im stuck until i get an answer
[00:52] <n-iCe> hello, how do I control all the desktop effects?
[00:52] <MoPac> So I'm having trouble getting gDevilspie scripts to automatically move a window to a certain viewport/workspace. Has anyone here succeeded with that?  It's annoying to have a jumble of Devilspie and Compiz settins
[00:53] <mJayk> n-iCe:  what desktop effects / what desktop are you running
[00:54] <n-iCe> I'm installing Ubuntu 12.10 right now, I see a sidebar with kind of effects
[00:54] <n-iCe> How can I disable them?
[00:54] <n-iCe> mJayk: thanks for the answer.
[00:54] <Taev> i wish ubuntu still covered RAID installation in its standard install discs
[00:55] <Taev> and i didnt have to use this alternative disc
[00:55] <mJayk> n-iCe: haven't given an answer yet - cant decide if sarcasm :). anyway sounds liek you are using unity
[00:55] <Degru> hello
[00:55] <mJayk> if you go and click the launcher button (top right) and type system
[00:56] <escott> Taev, the alternate cd does raid installation
[00:56] <Taev> im saying that i wish the regular one did
[00:56] <Taev> like i did in the older distros
[00:56] <mJayk> n-iCe:  if you go and click the launcher button (top right) and type system youll get your system settings - through there you have desktop settings
[00:57] <Degru> anybody know why I can't send anything on #linux?
[00:57] <mJayk> n-iCe: sorry top left I dont know my right from left :P
[00:57] <anew> when you ftp you can see when the files were edited correct? is this reliable ?
[00:57] <mJayk> Degru: u reged?
[00:57] <Degru> Degru: Oh, no. How do I register?
[00:58] <Degru> mJayk: ^^
[00:58] <mJayk> Degru: type /msg nickserver PASSWORD EMAIL
[00:58] <mJayk> go to ur email and verify
[00:58] <Degru> mJayk: OK, thanks
[00:58] <n-iCe> mJayk: let's see
[00:58] <Boohbah> mJayk: Not Invented Here
[00:58] <escott> Taev, the raw disks should not be given mountpoints
[00:59] <n-iCe> mJayk: I'm on settings
[00:59] <n-iCe> system settings
[00:59] <Taev> i know but now its giving me errors creating a ext4 file system on the RAID partition
[01:00] <Boohbah> mJayk: rather than contributing to wayland, canonical starts their own competing project implementing the same functionality which nobody else will use and thus history repeats itself
[01:00] <Taev> do i have to use another kind of file system on RAID 0?
[01:00] <escott> Taev, no
[01:00] <Taev> then why does it keep failing
[01:00] <mJayk> Boohbah: That a reply to my forum post ?
[01:00] <n-iCe> mJayk: can't see any thing about effects on there
[01:00] <n-iCe> !gnome2
[01:00] <Taev> i have a RAID0 set up, my previous install died
[01:00] <n-iCe> !notunity
[01:00] <mJayk> n-iCe: 2 seconds
[01:00] <Boohbah> mJayk: what forum post?
[01:00] <escott> Taev, how did the previous install die?
[01:01] <mJayk> Boohbah: I dont see what that reply to me was about :P
[01:01] <Boohbah> mJayk: oh, you asked about NIH
[01:01] <mJayk> aHHHH
[01:01] <mJayk> thankyou ;)
[01:01] <n-iCe> not sure why people hate unity, I'm reading about Ubuntu, but people really say a lot of shit about unity I find it quite friendly
[01:02] <mJayk> n-iCe: it was new people hate new, i hated GNOME-3 now I bloody love it
[01:02] <Nach0z> lxde > * :P
[01:02] <n-iCe> GNOME-3 is the one I'm using? which quantal uses by default?
[01:03] <n-iCe> yeah, GNOME 3.6.0
[01:03] <mJayk> n-iCe:  default quantal is unity ?
[01:03] <mJayk> n-iCe: Quantal Quetzal - 12.10 - unity
[01:03] <n-iCe> I'm moving from Debian to Ubuntu, mJayk yeah but GNOME3 as desktop environment, I think unity es just the sidebar
[01:04] <mJayk> n-iCe: I thought Unity was the actuall desktop enviroment ? or is it just like a gnome skin ?
[01:04] <n-iCe> mJayk: gnome skin, since system monitor says GNOME 3+
[01:04] <n-iCe> Can't find that effect thing
[01:05] <mJayk> n-iCe: Mby u need CCSM ?  to configure unity
[01:06] <n-iCe> ccsm?
[01:06] <mJayk> n-iCe compizConfig Settings Manager
[01:06] <selena2013> unity is the in-house GUI
[01:07] <mJayk> n-iCe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity/224775#224775
[01:07] <n-iCe> oh so unity is using compiz?!
[01:07] <azizLIGHTS> im on ubuntu livecd 12.04, im trying to change my windows 7 password, but i cant find chntpw in software center. please help
[01:07] <selena2013> iam not sure
[01:07] <mJayk> n-iCe:  looks that way from what I can see on askubuntu
[01:07] <n-iCe> Ubuntu installation finished, I need to reboot.
[01:07] <n-iCe> Please save me that link mJayk brb
[01:07] <selena2013> reboot
[01:07] <mJayk> n-1 will do
[01:07] <n-iCe> thanks! brb
[01:07] <mJayk> n-iCe: will di *
[01:07] <mJayk> fml
[01:08] <selena2013> ok
[01:10] <lauratika> how do i change the icon of home folder in unity bar, now is a cabinet i want the old home folder icon.
[01:11] <selena2013> change the thems i believe
[01:11] <mJayk> lauratika: gedit nautilus-home.desktop
[01:11] <azizLIGHTS> im on ubuntu livecd 12.04, i cant find the chntpw program in software center. can somebody advise
[01:11] <lauratika> no my theme is the same old i like and want, but the icon change suddenly to cabinet type of, want the home folder icon.
[01:12] <mJayk> lauratika: change the icon by editing nautilus-home.desktop you can change the folder icon no ~?
[01:13] <lauratika> mJayk it shows an empty doc
[01:13] <lauratika> when i go to gedit nautilus-home.desktop
[01:14] <mJayk> lauratika: ok first cd /usr/share/applications
[01:14] <mJayk> lauratika: then sudo gedit nautilus-home.desktop
[01:14] <mJayk> lauratika: then edit the line icon=<pathtoicon.png>
[01:14] <mJayk> lauratika: and save
[01:14] <lauratika> to what path now?
[01:15] <mJayk> to the path of the image of the icon
[01:15] <n-iCe> mJayk: I'm back
[01:15] <mJayk> n-iCe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity/224775#224775
[01:15] <n-iCe> Feel really smooth, I have the thought will work even faster if I disable all those effects
[01:16] <mJayk> lauratika: i THINK the default icons are in /usr/share/icons
[01:16] <n-iCe> mJayk: what do you use as desktop?
[01:16] <lauratika> mJayk maybe i didnt explain myself well, my blame. the icon in unity of home folder suddenly change to one showing a cabinet i dont like it at all, i want the old icon of home folder where it shows the folder with a home icon inside.
[01:17] <mJayk> lauratika: yes to change it back find the icon you want in /usr/share/icons/ then edit the file above? I dont know how to "revert to old settings" just how to replace it
[01:18] <mJayk> n-iCe: im running fedora 17 atm with the default gnome - on my "main" pc I use ubuntu 12.10 with kde - thinking of switching to default gnome as I like this so much
[01:18] <mJayk> lauratika: if you look arund in /usr/share/icons u shud find the original home folder icon in there do you get what I mean ? I'm not very good at explantions
[01:19] <lauratika> yes thanx, now i know what happens, radiance is missing from the list of icons from the appereance menu, any ideas how to fix this?
[01:20] <uictamale> Hello, all - I've recently installed ubuntu 12.04 on an nforce 630a motherboard (geforce 7025), and while my graphics work fine from my live USB stick, I keep getting a black screen (Mode not supported message from my monitor) after rebooting.   I've tried several things, including adding "GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480" to my grub config, but then I simply boot up into low graphics mode every time, with no option to save any settings.  Please h
[01:21] <[Saint]> Can anyone assist me in restoring the default list of internet radio stations for rhytmbox, please?
[01:21] <mJayk> lauratika: Ah yea if you icons are no longer there that wont work :D, im not sure how to get them back tbh apart from redownloading / installing the theme
[01:22] <lauratika> how can i install a theme in ubuntu 12.04?
[01:23] <mJayk> [Saint]: Seen that problem before on the forums exit rythbox
[01:23] <mJayk> [Saint]: navigate as sudo to .local/share/rhythembox/hythemdb.xml
[01:23] <mJayk> [Saint]: navigate as sudo to .local/share/rhythembox/rhythmdb.xml
[01:24] <mJayk> and delete the file
[01:24] <[Saint]> I have tried to remove ~/.local/share/rhythmbox, and ~/.cache/rhythmbox, follwed by apt-get autoremove -- purge rhythmbox - and re-installation, but to no avail.
[01:24] <mJayk> have you tried sudo touch ~./local/share/rhythembox/rhythmdb.xml i assume u have
[01:24]  * [Saint] nods
[01:24] <mJayk> boos
[01:25] <n-iCe> mJayk: ccsm right?
[01:25] <[Saint]> I don't even use any of them - it just bugs me that they suddenly disappeared.
[01:25] <n-iCe> is the most common tool to configurate compiz/unity
[01:25] <mJayk> n-iCe:  yea thas right that site gives u a nice walkthrough actually
[01:25] <[Saint]> n-iCe: Yeppers. I can't give ccsm enough praise.
[01:25] <n-iCe> great
[01:26] <n-iCe> Can gnome 2 be installed, instead of unity/gnome3?
[01:26]  * [Saint] likes the 'magic lamp" animation - and applied it to just about everything
[01:26] <mJayk> n-ice: shud be allready installed
[01:26] <n-iCe> gnome2?
[01:26] <mJayk> n-iCe: logout - look at the white ubuntu logo thing by ur username thing - click it and you can choose from a few different types of desktop enviro's
[01:27] <n-iCe> o.O
[01:27] <uictamale> Maybe this would help ?   udev-fallback-graphics main process (1748) terminated with status 1
[01:27] <mJayk> n-iCe:  should have a lightweight version of unity there unity 2-d or something
[01:27] <uictamale> From dmesg
[01:27] <n-iCe> And if I choose gnome2 will that stop launching all the effects and big sizes stuff loading at boot?
[01:27] <mJayk> n-iCe: if you chooes gnome2  (if its there) then yes itll just launch g2
[01:27] <[Saint]> n-iCe: for that boot only, yes.
[01:27] <mJayk> n-iCe: I think it should be there if its not its simple to install
[01:28] <[Saint]> Sounds like unity-2d is pretty much what you want.
[01:28] <mJayk> [Saint]: out of interest u 64 bit?
[01:28] <n-iCe> mkander: I did a apt-get upgrade one minute and will be finished, so I will wait and try that.
[01:28] <[Saint]> mJayk: Yes, I am.
[01:28] <n-iCe> thanks so much, mJayk *
[01:28] <mJayk> n-iCe: anytime
[01:29] <mJayk> [Saint]: seams a few ppl have that problem on 8.10
[01:29] <[Saint]> I didn't think 32 vs. 64 bit would make a lick of difference for internet radio station defaults - but, I'm willing to be surprised.
[01:29] <[Saint]> s/8.10/12.10/ btw
[01:30] <mJayk> [Saint]: me too :D always surprised
[01:30] <mJayk> n-iCe: lemme know what desktop you go for
[01:31] <n-iCe> If I like gnome2 better, is there a way to keep it as default? maybe even remove the others environments?
[01:31] <n-iCe> I'm going to reboot on that gnome2 too see if is the one I used.
[01:31] <hero100> I installed vmware. Now my disc is nearly full. How can I do?
[01:31] <n-iCe> I'm sure I can get used to this one anyway.
[01:31] <mJayk> [Saint]: got 1 idea that might work VERY long winded and could be VERY pointless
[01:32] <[Saint]> mJayk: I have considered adding them by hand, if that's what you're thinking.
[01:32] <anew> how can i run strace ?
[01:32] <[Saint]> I'm /hoping/ to avoid that, though ;)
[01:32] <n-iCe> I'm a chrome browser user, but this firefox seems ok, what do you guys use for surfing the web?
[01:32] <mJayk> [Saint]: I was thinkinking booting live usb persistant mode and merging the databases :P
[01:32] <sheaze> Hi guys, I'm running CHroot ubuntu 12.04 and have been trying to fix my locale settings (cannot set LC_ALL to default locale) but no avail with all the fixes online.
[01:32] <mJayk> n-iCe: sudo apt-get chromium-browser :D
[01:33] <n-iCe> ja! I found a missing thing on this Ubuntu, where is the SHOW DESKTOP icon?!
[01:33] <mJayk> [Saint]: or copying ur mates database
[01:33] <n-iCe> mJayk: yeah :p
[01:33] <[Saint]> mJayk: Hmmmmmm.....that's actually a pretty decent idea, thanks.
[01:33] <mJayk> n-iCe: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser :D**
[01:33] <mJayk> [Saint]: Glad u thought so, I pulled a face when I thought of it oO -- lemme know if u try it
[01:34] <[Saint]> Ewwwwww...Chromium? <insert_sad_face_here>
[01:34]  * [Saint] much prefers Chrome over Chromium
[01:34] <n-iCe> need to restart browser
[01:35] <mJayk> [Saint]: can you get Chrome in ubuntu / linux ? -- always ran Chromium because I didn't think you could get chrome
[01:35] <MeiMei> good morning
[01:35] <n-iCe> mJayk: you can, go to google.com/chrome
[01:35] <[Saint]> Sure you can.
[01:35] <n-iCe> is the one I use
[01:35] <joe_onereb> sorry I stepped away for a min.
[01:35]  * [Saint] has used chrome-dev on debian/Ubuntu for years
[01:36] <mJayk> [Saint]: n-iCe: thanks ill try it when I get home
[01:36]  * Degru likes chrome-stable because it's more stable
[01:36] <[Saint]> chrome-dev is fine here.
[01:36] <joe_onereb> I have windoz and other linux computers that are on my home network that I can't currently find on the new pc
[01:36] <anew> bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[01:37] <anew> how to fix this error ?
[01:37] <[Saint]> Plus, you get all the new tasty bits like a month prior to it hitting stable
[01:37] <mJayk> I would have sworn blind you couldn't get chrome for fedora - and there it is .rpm
[01:37] <lauratika> is it ok to clean the old kernel shown on ubuntu tewak application?
[01:37] <mJayk> ...
[01:37] <[Saint]> I _think_ stable is still on 25.*, is it not?
[01:38] <[Saint]> dev is at 27.0.1425.0 dev
[01:38] <escott> lauratika, if the newer kernel works for you sure
[01:38] <sheaze> anyone know how to fix locale settings?
[01:38] <anew> bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[01:38] <anew> can anyone help me with this error ?
[01:38] <mJayk> joe_onereb: what os you running
[01:38] <escott> !locale | sheaze
[01:38] <joe_onereb> Ubuntu 12.10
[01:38] <[Saint]> Ubuntu - one hopes
[01:39] <mJayk> joe_onereb: can you see your new computer from the old ones?
[01:39] <joe_onereb> I haven't looked that direction yet let me go see?
[01:40] <maxibyte> hey guys, im trying to burn a bootable usb for windows via startup disk creator, and when i select my disk image it just doesnt add it to the list thing, and wont let me burn the disk
[01:40] <[Saint]> joe_onereb: If you want to clean all unused kernel images and headers, you can just do "dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge"
[01:40] <maxibyte> sweet mother of regex
[01:40] <[Saint]> it looks intimidating, I know, but I've had that as an alias for years now.
[01:40] <[Saint]> :)
[01:41] <[Saint]> maxibyte: it is a little intimidating, yes. :)
[01:41] <maxibyte> what kind of package names does that regex recognize?
[01:41] <mJayk> [Saint]: just responded and scared off the wrong person :D
[01:41] <joe_onereb> I checked from the laptop and no luck
[01:41] <[Saint]> maxibyte: unused kernel images and headers
[01:41] <maxibyte> ah
[01:42] <maxibyte> cant you just call apt-get autoremove
[01:42] <maxibyte> ?
[01:42] <joe_onereb> it's NEVER been a problem to do any networking with my linux pc's
[01:42] <mJayk> joe_onereb: have you installed samba, imo I would try to get samba to setup a share file on you "NEW" pc and the view that folder from your "OLD" pc's
[01:42] <mJayk> joe_onereb: I wont be much help on this though :D
[01:42] <[Saint]> maxibyte: sure, but that's no fun :)
[01:42] <joe_onereb> yes
[01:42] <maxibyte> heh
[01:42] <lauratika> thanx escott is over 1.5 gb!
[01:42] <maxibyte> any ideas as to what my issue is? :I
[01:47] <n-iCe> mJayk: OK, I'm installing all my stuff
[01:47] <mJayk> n-iCe: cool what desktop you go for was g2 or ubuntu - 2d there?
[01:48] <n-iCe> I have not rebooted yet, give me 5 minutes and I will, and tell you what it is
[01:48] <dumont> how does software ubuntu FDE affect other partitions on the disk? is it per partition or per disk? what if I want to dual boot to windows on another partition of the disk that has software FDE via ubuntu
[01:48] <mJayk> n-iCe: ah still doing your updates :) kk im of for a coffee :)
[01:50] <ero-jiji> evening all
[01:51] <[Saint]> Hahahaha...turns out I hadn't run said frightening regex arg in a while
[01:51] <mJayk> ero-jiji: hi ho
[01:51] <[Saint]> "8243MB will be freed" ...lol
[01:51] <ero-jiji> ouch....
[01:51] <mJayk> fair bit there
[01:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone with experience using ginn with the dell inspiron one?
[01:52]  * [Saint] nods
[01:52]  * mJayk has Gin experience
[01:52] <persona24> Is the copy directory command cpdir?
[01:52] <ero-jiji> thats as bad as me not emptying trash for a year, 30 some gb lol
[01:52] <somsip> persona24: cp -R
[01:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> persona24: like somsip
[01:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> persona24: like somsip said
[01:52] <n-iCe> time to reboot mJayk then I select where it ask me the login password, right?
[01:53] <mJayk> n-iCe: yea
[01:53] <n-iCe> ok brb
[01:53] <mJayk> n-iCe: the white ubuntu logo is a button
[01:53] <mJayk> he didnt see that @ all
[01:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> is he using lightdm or gdm?
[01:54] <Degru> persona24: To copy a directory, type "cp -R /path/to/directoryname /path/to/destination/directoryname"
[01:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> if its gdm it will be a drop-down menu
[01:54] <persona24> cp -R did nothing
[01:55] <mJayk> persona24: cp -r /from/here /to/here ?
[01:55] <somsip> persona24: copy the full ocmmand you used
[01:55] <Degru> persona24: You have to put the directory name on the end, or it will only copy the contents to the destination without the directory.
[01:55] <persona24> nevermind
[01:55] <Degru> persona24: these questions would be better asked in #bash
[01:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> true, these are not ubuntu-specific
[01:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> on that note, does the ginn multitouch program have its own channel?
[01:56] <n-iCe> mJayk: nothing, I cannot select a thing, just guest login, remote login, etc
[01:57] <mJayk> n-iCe: ubuntu 12.109 ?
[01:57] <mJayk> 12.10 *
[01:57] <n-iCe> yes
[01:57] <n-iCe> quantal
[01:57] <Degru> ntzrmtthihu777: there's a #ginn channel but it's empty.
[01:57] <selena2013> hi
[01:57] <mJayk> hay
[01:58] <ero-jiji> man, im kicking myself for letting the backup server get so full >< now that we are finally moving everything to a larger server, its taking forever
[01:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> Degru: if you try to join a non-existant channel you create one. I bet you or another accidentally made it
[01:58] <mJayk> n-iCe:
[01:58] <mJayk> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfiMJ-Gj2IRrtIJwzQgmFPp-q9KCaMS7bdeqwWc2DMcfyjWeUCZQ
[01:58] <n-iCe> yes
[01:58] <n-iCe> is that for me?
[01:58] <Degru> ntzrmtthihu777: yeah, probably.
[01:58] <mJayk> that is what i ment
[01:58] <mJayk> yes tis
[01:58] <mJayk> screen shot
[01:58] <n-iCe> let me try again
[01:59] <n-iCe> brb
[01:59] <ero-jiji> 3.8TB at 100mbit = ouch
[01:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> dangit, lol. I wanna get multitouch working on this machine
[01:59] <mJayk> ntzrmtthihu777: what machine :D
[01:59] <mJayk> win 9
[02:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> mJayk: dear god no.
[02:00] <mJayk> i missed the /
[02:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> mJayk: dell inspirone one2205 all-in-one
[02:00] <Capprentice> Hi there, Somehow Partition table is  messed up. Cant see any partition using Gparted, though everything works? What should I do ? Any help please.
[02:00] <mJayk> ./win 9
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> mJayk: what are you trying to do?
[02:01] <mJayk> i was changing channels in irc
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> Capprentice: refresh device list?
[02:01] <mJayk> and i missed the / off the /win 9 command
[02:01] <Capprentice> Not working. It shows nothing is partitioned
[02:02] <Capprentice> here's a screenshot of what gparted is showing -http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s471/curious_apprentice/Ubuntu/AppShots/Partition20table20messed20up.png
[02:03] <Taev> great my aborted attempted to install ubuntu has damaged my grub
[02:03] <Taev> i get "grub rescue"
[02:04] <Capprentice> nthrmtthihu77: can you help me ?
[02:06] <dcenter> hello.  is anyone familiar with hdmi output for dell studio 1535 running ubuntu 12.10?
[02:06] <kepipo> Hi all. I am using remastersys to make custom iso and it worked, but the iso have no Install Option. I am using ubuntu 12.04. There is no error during making the iso. Can someone help me?
[02:06]  * Samoorai rebooting entire virtual network aka host reboot.. bbiab (3 vms, 1 host all GRRRR!)
[02:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> Capprentice: maybe, maybe not.
[02:07] <mJayk> t
[02:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> kepipo: you need ubiquity
[02:08] <kepipo> ntzrmtthihu777, should I install it before making the iso?
[02:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubiquity is the gui installer ubuntu uses, it is uninstalled after installation. if you run apt-get ubiquity and then remastersys your system you should be able to do it
[02:08] <invitingfaithman> im haveing trouble can anyone help please and thank you
[02:08] <kepipo> oh, I see.
[02:08] <kepipo> thanks ntzrmtthihu777
[02:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> !anyone | invitingfaithman
[02:08] <alex____> Hi everyone!
[02:09] <thierry> HELLO GUYS
[02:09] <alex____> How are you, Thierry?
[02:09] <invitingfaithman> how to i download the new ubuntu to a usb disk
[02:09] <invitingfaithman> ???
[02:09] <thierry> I'M FINE
[02:10] <michael_p> hi all just installed lubuntu
[02:10] <alex____> What do you mean invitingfaithman?
[02:10] <Taev> is there a way to restore the MBR from a Live CD
[02:10] <kepipo> errr, ntzrmtthihu777 ? I just run sudo apt-get install ubiquity but it is said it is already the newest version.
[02:10] <thierry> TRY THE CD MAN
[02:10] <alex____> I use unetbootin to install to a usb
[02:10] <xangua> !caps | thierry
[02:10] <invitingfaithman> i mean how do i download ubuntu onto a usb drive
[02:10] <thierry> IT'S EASIER THAN THE USB
[02:10] <roasted> Question - If one would install Gnome Shell on 12.04, would that be some sort of crazy dependency headache? I was quite disappointed with installing Kubuntu-Desktop on Ubuntu, but I wonder if Gnome Shell would be smoother... Thoughts?
[02:11] <xangua> invitingfaithman: you can use unetbootin as you were told or follow the instructions you are given at ubuntu.com
[02:11] <Capprentice> Using "remastersys" how much data can be backed up ? I read somewhere there is a 4gb limit, is it true ?
[02:11] <alex____> Shouldn't be, I got gnome shell running once
[02:11] <Degru> invitingfaithman: you can use unetbootin, or YUMI to install it to a usbdrive. Both can be looked up on Google and are really easy to use.
[02:11] <alex____> I hate gnome shell though
[02:11] <xangua> roasted: gnome-shell is just a shell for gnome....you are already using gnome
[02:11] <roasted> Capprentice: is it possible that the 4GB limitation was referring to some sort of DVD usage?
[02:11] <kepipo> Capprentice, it is not the remastrsys limit I believe.  Figured I'd ask in case anybody had a "Whoa don't do that!" story.
[02:12] <Degru> invitingfaithman: they basically have an installer where you select your downloaded ISO file, the drive you want to put it on, and it does the rest.
[02:12] <thierry> 16BG IS BETTER
[02:12] <thierry> OPS
[02:12] <invitingfaithman> getting it now thanks so much
[02:12] <Capprentice> Ok so If I use multiple DVDs, can I backup a 50 GB hdd ?
[02:12] <thierry> 16GBs**
[02:12] <alex____> thierry is your caps lock key broken? And np invitingfaith!  The guide I found gave me a 404 error when I tried to wget the .deb installer
[02:14] <xangua> !ops | thierry
[02:14] <selena2013> lol
[02:14] <mJayk> thierry: change it
[02:14] <kepipo> I've just check the live iso and type ubiquity in terminal. It is exist, but it cannot load.
[02:14] <kepipo> what happen with ubuntu nowadays uhh...
[02:14] <thierry> SO SORRY AGAIN AND I'M LEAVING THIS ROOM.  Hmmmmm...
[02:15] <Capprentice> kepipo: Does that implies there is no way we can creare multiple dvds containing the whole OS with all user settings and allthat ? Acronis Home is able to backup the whole windows Partition. Can remastersys be used to do so ?"
[02:15] <alex____> How would one install the awesome WM? The guide I found gave me a 404 error when I tried to wget the .deb installer
[02:16] <thierry> DON'T PLAY WITH THE NAME OF GOD
[02:16] <mJayk> Capprentice: Cant you just make an image of the hdd ?
[02:17] <Capprentice> mJayk: how can I do that ?
[02:17] <HaikuUser> ?
[02:17] <invitingfaithman> do i have to download ubuntu first?
[02:17] <xangua> !info awesome | alex____
[02:17] <kepipo> Capprentice you can use dd. :D
[02:17] <Capprentice> ??
[02:18] <mJayk> Capprentice: there are lots of programs that allow you to create bootable images (.iso's) of ur hdd
[02:18] <mJayk> Capprentice: http://disk-imaging-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
[02:18] <alex____> ubottu: I read somewhere that using the verison in the repositories is out-dated
[02:19] <alex____> Will it still work without major dependency hell?
[02:19] <Capprentice> kepipo: I need serious help.  Google god did not gave a suitable answer how can I fix the partition table. The other way to is backiing up whole hdd and then resinstall.
[02:19] <dumont> anyone use FDE?
[02:19] <dumont> anyone use FDE and dualboot to windows on the same disk?
[02:19] <dumont> is it possible? wouldn't FDE not work for windows partition
[02:20] <alex____> dumont: Not sure what FDE is but I'm currently running Ubuntu with W7 as a second partition
[02:20] <kepipo> Capprentice, you can make image of your hdd using dd commands.
[02:21] <kepipo> you can dd your_harddisk to another_harddisk with the same size or perhaps bigger.
[02:21] <Capprentice> Oh ! sorry. I did not knew there were dd commands. Can Acronis True image be used to backup the Ubuntu partition too ? I have windows in other partition. I can use that.
[02:22] <kepipo> I never tried that Capprentice, but if acronis can backup your entire hdd then of course it can. :D
[02:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> is there a terminal command I can run to get the current strength of the network I am connected to?
[02:23] <Capprentice> mJayk: none of the product shows support for ext4 file system . Only Ext 2/3 FS is supported.
[02:24] <selena2013> advice on ubuntu 12.10 hp 2000 64 bits amd ... freezing
[02:24] <[Saint]> EEXPLANATION_TOO_VAGUE
[02:24] <alex____> selena2013: Check your additional drivers dialog and make sure you have everything installed there
[02:25] <bluedog> ntzrmtthihu777: for wireless you can look into the iwconfig command
[02:25] <selena2013> where is drivers dialog
[02:25] <Capprentice> mjayK: If i backup the whole HDD using acronis, can I recreate partitions and install the backedup data in any parition I choose ?
[02:25] <selena2013> currently using xorg. am/ati
[02:25] <mJayk> ntzrmtthihu777:  use watch -n1 iwconfig
[02:25] <alex____> Dash home --> search additional drivers
[02:25] <selena2013> no such thing in dash
[02:26] <selena2013> i have that in Software Sources
[02:26] <[Saint]> selena2013: Software Sources
[02:26] <mJayk> Capprentice: I honestly don't know, I believe you can but I wouldn't feel confident doing it myself if I had important data
[02:26] <selena2013> I there it says ...
[02:26] <selena2013> under Additional Drivers TAb ...
[02:26] <selena2013> using X.org X server
[02:27] <selena2013> AMD/ Ati display wrapper from xserver-xorg
[02:27] <Degru> ntzrmtthihu777: ntzrmtthihu777 for signal strength, "cat /proc/net/wireless" and look at "link" under "quality"
[02:27] <Capprentice> mJayk: Okay.
[02:27] <alex____> selena2013: You're going to want to enable your ati driver
[02:27] <bluedog> ntzrmtthihu777: or if you want to combine the answers "watch -n1 cat /proc/net/wireless"
[02:27] <selena2013> should i switch to AMD graphics accelerators fglrx ?????
[02:28] <alex____> Yes
[02:28] <alex____> Its what I'm using
[02:28] <selena2013> i think thats what iam using
[02:29] <selena2013> it froze today two times
[02:29] <xixo> w/Xen or KVM can I run FreeBSD?
[02:29] <invitingfaithman> i need help agian please
[02:31] <mJayk> invitingfaithman: whats up
[02:31] <invitingfaithman> ok so i download unetbootin and download source from ubuntu.com and it is downloading to the owner file on the pc will it go to my usb or the pc??
[02:32] <kepipo> urgh... no satisfying answer from google about this ubiquity-remastersys problem.
[02:32] <mJayk> invitingfaithman: it will go to whereever you internet downloads normally go or where ever you told it to go to
[02:32] <dr_willis> what do you mean by download source .. invitingfaithman
[02:33] <invitingfaithman> i ment downloaded the source from ubuntu.com
[02:33] <dr_willis> you mean the ISO file?
[02:36] <dr_willis> some of the usb-disk maker tools at the pendrivelinux site can autobdownload the needed iso files.  not sure if unetbootin can do that
[02:37] <invitingfaithman> dr_willis will i have a chance to pull the download from the destanation before i copy to usb
[02:38] <dr_willis> i download the iso via a browser.. to my downloads directory.
[02:38] <dr_willis> most of the tools look there for the right named iso files
[02:39] <fluvvell> Steen; hi!
[02:39] <Steen> Hello to you fluvvell
[02:40] <burfl> evening folks, i am having trouble connecting to my Ubuntu samba share from my Windoze machine.. any advice/assistance?
[02:40] <fluvvell> Steen, ping
[02:40] <burfl> ufw is disabled, checked that
[02:42] <fluvvell>  I've setup a new drive with GPT and copied my system to it. It doesnt really boot without some assistance from a boot disk. Does anyone have a good grub/gpt help page?
[02:42] <burfl> no samba experts here, eh?
[02:43] <fluvvell> burfl, users and config'ers but few like to call themselves experts
[02:43] <burfl> fluvvell, fair enough.. knowledgeable enough to offer advice as to what culprits may be likely?
[02:44] <mJayk> burfl: I dispise samba its never worked properly for me :(
[02:44] <root0> HELLO
[02:45] <root0> I AM ROOT
[02:45] <escott> !rootirc
[02:45] <fluvvell> burfl, culprits for what symptoms
[02:45] <MeiMei> root0: hi
[02:45] <root0> no possible w00t
[02:45] <burfl> fluvvell the symptom is that I can't see the samba share from windows
[02:46] <root0> mega haxx
[02:46] <burfl> there is no active firewall on the linux box and they both seem to be on the same workgroup... at least they both have the same workgroup name set
[02:46] <burfl> in honesty, I'm not sure how to be sure they're *actually* on the same workgroup beyond that
[02:46] <fluvvell> burfl, did you configure your /etc/samba/smb.conf file yourself or just share from nautilus?
[02:46] <root0> ob3y y0ur ma5t3r
[02:47] <burfl> fluvvell, shared from nautilus and when that failed I fired up the Samba GUI and created a share with the "add share" button
[02:48] <dr_willis> can the linux box ping  ghe windows box!
[02:48] <dr_willis> ?  :-P
[02:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> can someone get rid of this "1337" doofus?
[02:48] <burfl> dr_willis, I don't know.  It would be a huge stretch to call myself a networking novice even
[02:49] <dr_willis> ping windows.box.ip.number
[02:50] <dr_willis> and see if tthe windows box can ping the linux boxs ip number
[02:51] <fluvvell> burfl, there are plenty of good help pages in t' interwebs, but I've always edited the file myself. Which gui did you use for samba?
[02:51] <burfl> fluvvell, the one that is had by doing 'sudo apt-get install system-config-samba'
[02:51] <burfl> dr_willis, the ping from the linux box seems to have worked
[02:52] <burfl> it was saying "64 bytes received from..."
[02:53] <n-iCe> mJayk: still here?
[02:54] <n-iCe> I don't think so, anyway, why would my installation of 12.10 did not install gnome2?
[02:56] <mJayk> hi n-iCe no luck ?
[02:56] <n-iCe> mJayk: no luck, I don't have that tools/configuration icons on my username at login
[02:57] <mJayk> strange
[02:57] <mJayk> you can always download it
[02:57] <n-iCe> gnome2?
[02:57] <n-iCe> Then I should download and install Ubuntu server, don't you think so?
[02:58] <mJayk> n-iCe:  no - :) might have found what ur after
[02:59] <mJayk> n-iCe: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed
[02:59] <n-iCe> let's read that
[02:59] <nydel> i need some help. i messed up whatever bootloader is installed by wubi, and had to use a windows bootable usb to be able to boot back into windows. now i do not have that menu that usually has the options of windows 7, ubuntu -- i am currently booted into ubuntu via a usb stick & i can mount the wubi root.disk -- how can i get the old boot menu back?
[02:59] <n-iCe> by the way, can you remind me the compiz configuration package? cssm?
[03:00] <mJayk> nydel: can you boot into windows at all ?
[03:00] <nydel> mJayk: i can now, yes. windows is fine. but i am not asked / given the option to boot into ubuntu.
[03:00] <fluvvell> burfl, are you viewing yet, sorry I popped away and installed system-config-samba on my test vm,
[03:00] <mJayk> nydel: ok so we need to repair grub from windows
[03:01] <nydel> mJayk: mind you this is a wubi installation, is it still grub that needs to be repaired?
[03:01] <chicognu> what is the pendrive device in linux ?
[03:01] <mJayk> nydel: yus
[03:01] <chicognu> /dev/ what ?
[03:01] <nydel> mJayk: lovely, i'll boot into windows and come back okay?
[03:01] <burfl> fluvvell, sorry I don't know what you mean by "are you viewing yet"?  I'm not able to see the share if that's what you mean.  I was trying to read up on the smb.conf file, but the docs are extensive :\
[03:01] <mJayk> nydel: sure
[03:01] <nydel> mJayk: thank you so much. brb
[03:01] <chicognu> what is the pendrive device in linux ? /dev/what ?
[03:02] <fluvvell> burfl,  yes. Yes they are.  So did you set viewable by everybody?
[03:02] <p014k> I recently updated from 10.04 to 12.10. I'm running classic mode, because I prefer it. I'm having a problem with the workspaces. I have a 3x3 grid set up, however in the workspace preview matrix in the lower right panel, the previews of what windows are in which workspaces don't show up (only the upper right workspace is populated). Also, all the windows I have open are displayed in the bottom panel. I would like it to be like it was before where only wi
[03:02] <p014k> ndows open in the current workspace are displayed in the bottom panel.
[03:02] <MoPac> I would really appreciate it if someone could help me get devilspie to actually open windows in a different workspace/viewport
[03:02] <n-iCe> ok, mJayk gnome-panel installed, I'm going to log out
[03:02] <burfl> fluvvell, the two checkboxes? Yes
[03:04] <fluvvell> burfl, in a terminal, type smbtree
[03:04] <icesword> !ubuntu cn
[03:04] <n-iCe> Perfect!!!! mJayk !!!
[03:04] <mJayk> n-iCe:  any luck
[03:04] <burfl> fluvvell, k gimme one sec I'm running back and forth between the two machines
[03:04] <icesword> !cn
[03:04] <n-iCe> yeah, is awesome now, just like I remember :))) and RAM is about 400MB and not 1GB+
[03:04] <mJayk> n-iCe: good :D ive installed so many desktops I thought they came by default with ubuntu 2-d
[03:04] <n-iCe> Damn gnome3 and unity
[03:04] <n-iCe> :p
[03:05] <mJayk> n-iCe: happy happy time
[03:05] <burfl> fluvvell, that's very interesting... the linux box seems to see the Windows box
[03:05] <n-iCe> somehow system monitor still says 3.0+ gnome
[03:05] <burfl> it's listed after that "smbtree" command
[03:05] <mJayk> n-iCe: sometimes u still get that when you install a new desktop that doesnt replace the enviroment
[03:06] <mJayk> i.e. i think it would fix that if u booted and installed the kde desktop
[03:06] <mJayk> but u dont want to do that
[03:06] <n-iCe> Can't add new itmes to the bars
[03:08] <nydel> hello i'm back
[03:08] <nydel> & booted into windows7
[03:08] <mJayk> n-iCe: which bars
[03:08] <mJayk> nydel: haya
[03:08] <xangua> n-iCe: hold shift or alt, it was one of those
[03:08] <p014k> Also, when I click the workspace switcher in the lower right to change workspaces, it goes to a desktop with no panels and lags for a long time,.
[03:08] <patrickkay> nydel: check out this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[03:09] <xangua> alt+right clic it says http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed n-iCe
[03:09] <nydel> patrickkay, i'm headed there now, thank you verily
[03:09] <patrickkay> nydel, i've used it before but not with a wubi installation
[03:10] <n-iCe> xangua: awesome, you are right!
[03:10] <mJayk> nydel: patrickkay i dont think its the same
[03:10] <fluvvell> burfl, have you rebooted the windows box, and are they on the same workgroup?
[03:10] <nydel> patrickkay, at this point i'm not very scared of anything ... how i got here is,
[03:10] <fluvvell> burfl, and has the windows box got a firewall running?
[03:10] <patrickkay> mJayk: may not be, true
[03:10] <mJayk> nydel: in wubi i think u need to replace the wubildr in c:\wubi
[03:11] <mJayk> patrickkay: im not 100% sure if its the same or not i just dont think it is :)
[03:11] <nydel> patrickkay, mJayk, perhaps an upgrade was interrupted, the end result being i had either no working kernel or broken symbolic links in my root directory (of wubi loop) .. dpkg was messed up, initramfs was where it would hang, trying to generate the initrd files in /boot
[03:12] <burfl> fluvvell, I have rebooted it multiple times.  I *think* they are on the same workgroup.  I mean they both have the same workgroup name listed.  I never had to enter any passwords or anything.  Honestly, I'm not sure if there's a firewall on the Windows machine because it's blasted W8 and I don't know where to find it haha
[03:12] <patrickkay> mJayk: well I'll defer, I'm not that experienced with this
[03:12] <n-iCe> now all is awesome!
[03:12] <n-iCe> thank you guys
[03:12] <nydel> mJayk, where can i findn the correct wubildr?
[03:12] <mJayk> nydel: if that was the case wudnt grub still show up and crash after you select an option
[03:12] <fluvvell> burfl, with w8, you need to turn off homegroups
[03:13] <n-iCe> mJayk: xangua http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4305/screenshotfrom201303042.png
[03:13] <mJayk> nydel: depends on what version of ubuntu you had
[03:13] <n-iCe> Now looks neat, clean and smooth
[03:13] <burfl> fluvvell, I have homegroups disabled
[03:13] <burfl> and I just disabled the firewall.
[03:13] <mJayk> nydel: usually a few repos around with them if u tell me I can have a look
[03:13] <mJayk> n-iCe: nice :)
[03:13] <burfl> fluvvell, should I reboot after that?
[03:13] <nydel> mJayk, you would think, but instead the bootloader would show up but ubuntu option would stick. one day i booted into windows, it updated & rebooted, somehow auto it booted into ubuntu running kernel <IP_ADDRESS> -- i noticed that there was no <IP_ADDRESS> in /boot though
[03:14] <fluvvell> burfl, yup
[03:14] <mJayk> nydel: but now grub doesnt show up atall ?
[03:14] <nydel> mJayk, i moved so many things and did so many operations trying to get a working kernel & link thereto that by the time i had the balls to reboot, i had installed grub2 which i now realize was a mistake
[03:14] <nydel> now it boots directly into windows with no menu
[03:15] <mJayk> ok
[03:15] <nightdemon666> hmm, quite. well just FYI, im here ot help, so anyone asking a question, im here to "attempt" to help as best i can :)
[03:15] <nydel> the menu i had was the white on black two-item list with Ubuntu on top -- i remember that it was from windows that i changed the boot order
[03:15] <mJayk> nydel: so point 1 u may have buuggered up ur linux install via kernal buggering
[03:15] <burfl> fluvvell, okay then I'll be back, I'm actually speaking to you on the windows box.
[03:15] <mJayk> nydel: but i still think that the first thing to do is get grub back which I dont think was caused by the kernal buggering
[03:16] <nydel> mJayk, yes but there is a good kernel on the loop somewhere, i think that the initrd ln -s is pointing to it at the moment too
[03:16] <nightdemon666> um. i dontknow where you are on your troubleshooting mjayk, but have you issued the sudo update-grub2 command to fix grub menu not showing before boot?
[03:16] <p014k> Anyone on my issue?
[03:17] <nydel> so how, from windows7 perhaps, can i get that good old boot menu back?
[03:17] <mJayk> nightdemon666: will that work with a wubi install ? I was going to suggest replacing the wubildr
[03:17] <nightdemon666> p014k, what is your issue, i just got here...
[03:17] <nydel> i want to avoid moving c:\ubuntu, installing wubi, then moving c:\ubuntu-copy back
[03:18] <nydel> though i believe that would be a possible solution
[03:18] <burfl> fluvvell, back, not working :(
[03:18] <mJayk> nydel: yea u dont want to do that afaik  -- the wubibldr file is basically just the grub cfg file but for wubi
[03:18] <p014k> I recently updated from 10.04 to 12.10. I'm running classic mode, because I prefer it. I'm having a problem with the workspaces. I have a 3x3 grid set up, however in the workspace preview matrix in the lower right panel, the previews of what windows are in which workspaces don't show up (only the upper right workspace is populated). Also, all the windows I have open are displayed in the bottom panel. I would like it to be like it was before where only wi
[03:18] <p014k> ndows open in the current workspace are displayed in the bottom panel.
[03:18] <p014k> Also, when I click the workspace switcher in the lower right to change workspaces, it goes to a desktop with no panels and lags for a long time,.
[03:19] <fluvvell> burfl, w8 really sux I'm sorry, brb
[03:19] <mJayk> nydel: if u install grub 2 or grub over the top it overwrites the "wubi grub" but doent see any other os's because ubuntu is inside windows so just boots straight to windows
[03:19] <victover> ok this is really weird. I'm running ubuntu 12.04 and I was tryying to drag and drop xbmc into my unity bar and now I have a space inbetween apps. please
[03:19] <burfl> fluvvell, take your time, I appreciate any help you can offer.  I'll brb as well
[03:19] <victover> help
[03:20] <mJayk> burfl: i emphasise with your samba problems :)
[03:21] <mJayk> epmathise ?
[03:21] <mJayk> cant even spell it >(
[03:21] <patrickkay> heh
[03:21] <PlastikSpork> I am looking for suggestions on ways to back up and restore my entire ubuntu installation.
[03:21] <nightdemon666> gosh p014k, from the sounds of it, you are still operating in the gnome 2.X GUI, is this correct?
[03:22] <mJayk> PlastikSpork: .iso ur hdd
[03:22] <Degru> PlastikSpork: You could make a disk image
[03:22] <Degru> PlastikSpork: Also, if reinstalling make a separate partition for your /home and another for /.
[03:22] <dr_willis> !backup
[03:22] <PlastikSpork> Yes I would like to make a disk image and back it up on a network drive and then if I mess up my ubuntu installation I can restore that image
[03:23] <dr_willis> clonezilla can do that
[03:24] <Degru> PlastikSpork: you can go on a livecd and run "dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/server.img"
[03:24] <PlastikSpork> Since all of my data (pictures, movies, etc) will be stored on a server an entire disc image would work the best...  dr_willis I am downloading clonezilla now
[03:24] <nydel> mJayk, i have a copy of the wubildr file that i made before i started all this. where does it go?
[03:24] <nydel> mJayk, or is placement of that not enough
[03:24] <Degru> PlastikSpork: that will clone the entire disk and will only work for that specific disk
[03:24] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  dd sounds to complicated
[03:24] <p014k> nightdemon666: I don't think I am. I know GNOME classic in 12.10 tries to make it appear like the old-style, but I have Unity too, so it's 3.0, no?
[03:24] <mJayk> nydel: i think a replacement is enough
[03:24] <mJayk> nydel: are you in windows ? if so go to C:\wubi
[03:25] <PlastikSpork> Degru I am downloading clonezilla... what are your thoughts on this program?
[03:25] <Degru> PlastikSpork: It's actually pretty simple. if is the in-file, or the device/file you're copying from. /dev/sda is your first internal drive. of is out-file, or the device or file you're copying to.
[03:25] <nydel> c:\ubuntu
[03:25] <Degru> PlastikSpork: I haven't used it
[03:25] <mJayk> nydel: and find the wubildr file in there and replace it
[03:25] <Degru> PlastikSpork: but it seems like a good program according to most people
[03:25] <nydel> in c:\ubuntu\winboot there is a wubildr
[03:26] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  dd comes on the ubuntu live cd?
[03:26] <mJayk> nydel: I would rename that WUBILDR.BADMAN
[03:26] <Degru> PlastikSpork: dd comes with any decent linux livecd.
[03:26] <nydel> but where should i copy it? i mean, windows isn't going to read c:\ubuntu at all during bootup
[03:26] <mJayk> nydel: and then put the otherone in there
[03:26] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  how do you use dd?  all terminal commands?
[03:27] <Degru> PlastikSpork: yes. "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/server/file.img"
[03:27] <victover> nevermind I fixed it. We are good
[03:27] <nightdemon666> yeah it wqould be, im just kinda confiused that your workspace switcher is on the botom right hand screen, isnt that what you said p014k?
[03:27] <Degru> PlastikSpork: simplest way imo
[03:27] <mJayk> Degru: will that work completley from start to finish ?
[03:27] <nydel> ok i renamed it to wubildr.badman.lol & copied a known-working one in its place
[03:28] <mJayk> nydel: REBOOT -> CHEER -> WIN!
[03:28] <mJayk> nydel: hopfully
[03:28] <nydel> but mJayk why would the windows boot know to look in c:\ubuntu\winboot at all?
[03:28] <nydel> i haven't told anything to do that yet
[03:28] <PlastikSpork> Degru if=/dev/sda is the hard drive that ubuntu is installed onto?
[03:28] <Degru> mJayk: It won't show progress, but if you leave it to run it will make an exact clone of the entire drive into the out-file. It will only work with that specific HDD, though.
[03:28] <burfl> fluvvell, I'm back fyi
[03:28] <Degru> PlastikSpork: Is Ubuntu taking up the whole harddrive or is it dual-boot?
[03:29] <mJayk> Degru: thanks for that so much simpler than my previous methods
[03:29] <PlastikSpork> Ubuntu is only OS no dual boot
[03:29] <mJayk> nydel: I dont fully understand how wubi is able to work the way it does tbh
[03:29] <nightdemon666> oh yeah, degru, so it turns out in order for me to perform secure user switching it requires me to lock screen frm the keyboard short cut made for /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command 0-lock. then i can switch users securely.. like win 7. but now im on the quest to removing the switch user option from the unity menu :)
[03:30] <PlastikSpork> Degru: Ubuntu is only OS no dual boot
[03:30] <Degru> PlastikSpork: THen it should work fine. Remember it will only work on that specific HDD. You can restore it with "dd if=/path/to/server/file.img of=/dev/sda"
[03:30] <mJayk> nightdemon666: why would you want to remove it ?
[03:30] <Degru> PlastikSpork: It doesn't show progress, though.
[03:31] <nightdemon666> because of the insecurity of both an admin, and standard user being logged in doest require a password from unity's "switch user" option.
[03:31] <p014k> nightdemon666: Ya. That's where it usually always was in classic.
[03:31] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  how can you tell its done then if it doesnt show progress?
[03:31] <Degru> PlastikSpork: look in your disk manager to see which /dev/sdX device is your mUbuntu HDD.
[03:31] <Degru> PlastikSpork: THe command should show how much it's copied once finished and give you the terminal prompt.
[03:31] <mJayk> nightdemon666: so if me (admin) logs in switch user to Wife (obviously not an admin) she can access admin privs ?
[03:32] <xiox_> anyone know if a MicroATX mobo will fit in an ATX case?
[03:32] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  yes my hard drive is /dev/sda
[03:32] <patrickkay> xiox_, yes, normally
[03:32] <xiox_> excellent
[03:32] <xiox_> i scoped out a new PC for $180
[03:33] <mJayk> xiox_:  = mr burns ?
[03:33] <Degru> PlastikSpork: This is not the safest method, though, because when restoring if you type the wrong device it will overwrite any data on the drive.
[03:33] <patrickkay> nice
[03:33] <nightdemon666> seems so mjayk... but it seems only if you have removed gnome-screensaver, and replaced with xscreensaver, unless i changed somehting that i no longer know how that affected "switch user"
[03:33] <xiox_> no mr burns is a cartoon
[03:33] <xiox_> i am a person
[03:33] <DontGotNoProxy> this is a little of topic, but does anyone know any ways of overlaying black semi-transparent on a screen (want it darker than my backlight permits, eyes are burning)? - linux
[03:33] <xiox_> of high caliber mind you
[03:33] <mJayk> xiox_: good to hear it
[03:33] <mJayk> nightdemon666: ah never knew that
[03:34] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  So if I plug in an external USB HDD and copy image to it with DD I can restore from that external HDD... being careful not to overwrite my external HDD
[03:34] <devxdev> DontGotNoProxy, Redshift or f.lux
[03:34] <Degru> DontGotNoProxy: Try f.lux. stereopsis.com/flux
[03:34] <nightdemon666> i do all the time. i log in as standard user, then when i need to, i log in to admin user... well thing is, if im logged in as a standard user, then select "swicth user" from unity menue, i go straight to admin user if admin user is already logged in. no pasword needed! :(
[03:34] <nydel> mJayk, this guide seems apropos http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/20340/how-to-restore-the-wubi-ubuntu-bootloader/
[03:35] <DontGotNoProxy> "But, at 9PM, 10PM, or 3AM, you probably shouldn't be looking at the sun. " haha
[03:35] <Degru> PlastikSpork: yes. Just switch around the stuff for if and of
[03:35] <nydel> mJayk, however the software, EasyBCD is not free, are you aware of an equivalent thing? i tried installing lilo using chroot from a ubuntu boot-thumb but had no luck
[03:35] <nightdemon666> so, its convenient to be able to do that sometimes, but from a security stand point, bad ju ju. so im thinking i should get rid of the swich user option all together unless called out when screen is locked in xscreensaver
[03:35] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  There is no way of doing this natively in ubuntu without booting form live cd?
[03:36] <mJayk> nydel: that should work but u can bugger alot of stuff up because you wont be fixing the problem just creating a new mbr
[03:36] <Degru> PlastikSpork: It's cloning your entire drive, so it might break something if it's mounted and the system is running from it.
[03:36] <mJayk> nightdemon666: sounds to me like an xscreensaver problem tbh
[03:36] <Degru> PlastikSpork: clonezilla is probably better if you don't want to screw stuff up
[03:37] <mJayk> Degru: no1 wants to screw stuff up
[03:37] <nydel> mJayk, do you think if i move my c:\ubuntu, reinstall wubi, then replace the root.disk in the new c:\ubuntu that i will get the old bootmenu back? (assume for a moment that my root.disk works)
[03:37] <PlastikSpork> Degru:  Gotcha... I'm just used to using Windows backup... it backs everything up and makes a disk image weekly automatically... I m going to miss that :-(
[03:37] <Degru> mJayk: of course. just saying that if you type something wrong for dd it'll screw stuff up.
[03:38] <mJayk> nydel: id cautiously say yes
[03:38] <mJayk> Degru: just pulling you leg :)
[03:40] <DontGotNoProxy> dont thin f.lux worked properly
[03:41] <mJayk> Nighty Night all 341 am here
[03:41] <nydel> mJayk, hopefully the next time you hear from me i'll be booted into wubi. after that i'm partitioning & doing a proper install
[03:41] <nydel> thanks for all the help
[03:41] <nydel> oh and goodnight then
[03:41] <mJayk> gl
[03:41] <nydel> ty
[03:41] <mJayk> :) ill wait
[03:42] <mJayk> gogo
[03:42] <mJayk> :)
[03:42] <nydel> lol gogoing
[03:42] <PlastikSpork> Does anyone know if it is possible to install Clonezilla natively without burning it to a live cd?
[03:42] <rypervenche> PlastikSpork: Give Linux a chance, you will wonder how you ever lived without it.
[03:43] <rypervenche> PlastikSpork: Most people I know use Filezilla for FTP.
[03:43] <PlastikSpork> rypervenche:  I've been trying to use linux for going on 12 years now....  I just keep going back to windows... 12 years a go it was a night mare... its getting muuuuuuuuch better though
[03:43] <mJayk> rypervenche: I dont think hes ftping
[03:43] <nightdemon666> agreed mjayk. ubuntu developers didnt accomodate for xscreensaver.. i did however write a shell script and thought that gnome-screensaver-command coud be symlinked to the shell script command, but no worky. the symlink worked fine when executed, but i cant seem to find the connection between "lock screen" on unity menu and a file associated with the function :/
[03:43] <rypervenche> Oh...
[03:44] <n-iCe> PlastikSpork: I have not used Windows in about 6 years
[03:44] <n-iCe> I remember my laptop using Windows Vista I did not even boot it up, used a cd to install linux.
[03:44] <nightdemon666> p014k, i guess i never really could help you with your problem. it sounds like you are having issues with your desktop environment. it also sounds like an distro upgrade problem. i never perform a distro up grade if i can help it :P
[03:44] <n-iCe> no regrets
[03:44] <mJayk> nightdemon666: thats bloody strange ...there are no obvious links
[03:44] <PlastikSpork> rypervenche:  Clonezilla... not filezilla
[03:44] <nightdemon666> but i would have to trouble shoot the issue if i was you
[03:44] <ivotkl> I have not used Windows in almost 4 and I'm proud as hell of my decision. =)
[03:44] <rypervenche> n-iCe: No regrets indeed. *highfive*
[03:45] <mJayk> n-iCe: 6 years and still the same DE ? :D
[03:45] <nightdemon666> no htere isnt mjayk. i looked in gconf-editor and dconf-editor and i didnt see any obvious links.
[03:45] <robert45> hi guys, is it possible to trim down a running Ubuntu 12.04 to a minimal version? I see I have ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-mininal packages, not sure if its related
[03:45] <PlastikSpork> n-iCe:  I'm just used to Windows and when I try to do the same advance things with Linux there is so a difference and learning curve that I get frustrated.
[03:45] <nightdemon666> lol, agreed to that ivotkl
[03:46] <mJayk> nightdemon666: I assumed you had looked it is strange though going tokeep me up
[03:46] <rypervenche> PlastikSpork: Ah. Well on Linux, you don't make a CD of your backup. You can use sftp, rdiff-backup, or rsnapshot to do the job. I keep 30 backups of my laptop on two external hard drives, all of which are encrypted.
[03:46] <nightdemon666> it kept me up till 1 am last night mjayk
[03:47] <burfl_> fluvvell, sorry if you were trying to talk to me, I had to relog my win account and didn't realize it killed the IRC
[03:47] <PlastikSpork> rypervenche:  I don't want to make a cd of backup I want to store it on my server
[03:47] <usr13> PlastikSpork: man rsync
[03:47] <fluvvell> burfl, no problem
[03:47] <mJayk> PlastikSpork: i think by cd he ment .iso
[03:47] <p014k> nightdemon666: Ya. I'm in the same mindset, but I really didn't want to do a clean install this time. I may just be annoyed for a week or two and then do it.
[03:47] <nightdemon666> just an anouncement, i have been using linux based distributions since 2009, and i am so glad i did. not a windows hater, but i always wanted a fully customizable system with such enormous flexability. thank you richard stallman and linus torvalds!!!
[03:48] <usr13> PlastikSpork: Do you want to make an ISO image?
[03:48] <dr_willis> clonezilla  has some neat features..that i neveruse. ;-)
[03:48] <rypervenche> PlastikSpork: Exactly. You don't need that. You can use any of the three programs that I mentioned.
[03:48] <ivotkl> cheers for that nightdemon666!!!
[03:48] <fluvvell> burfl, It seems samba is well equipped for dealing with w8 according to their website, but specifics on setup may differ depending on your network.
[03:48] <fluvvell> burfl_, can you ping the linux box by name from the w8 box?
[03:48] <mJayk> nightdemon666:  do you remember your first linux distro?
[03:48] <usr13> PlastikSpork: I think rsync is what you are looking for. (If you want to do the backup from the running system to another on your LAN).
[03:49] <burfl_> fluvvell, how do I check it's name/ip?
[03:49] <burfl_> its*
[03:49] <PlastikSpork> rypervenche:  excellent... pretty easy to use?
[03:49] <fluvvell> burfl_, what did you call the linux box?
[03:49] <rypervenche> PlastikSpork: rsync is awesome! If you want to have many incremental backups, you can use rdiff-backup or rsnapshot.
[03:49] <burfl_> fluvvell, it took a default name based on the CPU model... I would have to look it up
[03:49] <burfl_> how do i check that
[03:50] <rypervenche> PlastikSpork: Yes, once you gen used to the syntax. If you'd like help with an exact command, send me a PM and I'll help you.
[03:50] <PlastikSpork> rypervenche:  seems like rsync is installed already whoohoo
[03:50] <fluvvell> burfl_, at a terminal prompt, it will tell you its name ie:   yourlogin@pc_name:
[03:50] <burfl_> derp
[03:50] <nightdemon666> sure. fedora 11. never frget it. i wanted to bang my head against the wall and reinstalled 8ntimes before i finally said, ok, i know what to mess with and what not too. of course we are talking about fedora after all. and i was tryingot operat it on a acer aspire one at the time, gosh what a mess. but it taught me sooooo much. i didnt do what a lot of people havedone and go ubuntu first. but i went to ubuntu for the st
[03:50] <usr13> PlastikSpork: http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/storage/8200-back-up-like-an-expert-with-rsync
[03:51] <burfl_> fluvell, hmmm is it case sensitive?
[03:51] <mJayk> suse 9.0 free CD with some bad PC magazine from the doctors waiting room :D
[03:51] <burfl_> fluvvell, sorry I misspelled your name above, is it case sensitive?
[03:51] <mJayk> bloody hated it
[03:51] <nightdemon666> now, sicne i have been operatingin that enviromnent so much for so long, i can pretty much do any linux distro. just need ot know what the package manager is, and i'll figure the rest out if its a little different. though about going BSD too, just to give it a spin.
[03:52] <PlastikSpork> usr13 thanks for the link
[03:52] <Degru> mJayk: i used to have suse, but then the package manager broke.
[03:52] <fluvvell> burfl_, yes - have you got irc on the linux box? This would be easier with xchat installed
[03:52] <mJayk> Degru: lol ... and then the packagemanager broke
[03:52] <usr13> !topic
[03:52] <burfl_> fluvvell i can get it... is that simply 'apt-get install xchat'?
[03:53] <fluvvell> burfl_, yup
[03:53] <burfl_> ok brb
[03:53] <Degru> fluvvell: i like irssi; it's a console program
[03:53] <mJayk> Degru: I bloody hated it 14 years old with a white box and no internet line it was so useless
[03:53] <nightdemon666> i tried suse, actually i liked it, but i was both a little inexperienced and the hardware didnt cooperate well with it, which made it worse. now i probably could make it work more easily. i know a lot more commands via terminal.
[03:53] <Degru> mJayk: well that package manager must've been pretty useless
[03:54] <usr13> fluvvell: I agree with Degru, irssi is a good IRC client.
[03:54] <mJayk> Degru: the Cd's that came with the mag's used to have 3 cds
[03:54] <fluvvell> Degru, good for you. I might try it too then. I've just used xchat for, oh about a decade, and forget to look for new ones.
[03:54] <mJayk> Degru_away: 1 for the OS and 2 Repos CD's :)
[03:54] <nightdemon666> gosh, i just use pidgin for irc chat :/
[03:54] <scotty> fluvvell, this is burfl on the linux box
[03:55] <mJayk> irssi ftw nightdemon666
[03:55] <selena2013> lol
[03:55] <Guest51988> ugh, now i'm Guest51988
[03:55] <Degru_away> I'm away. Please don't chat with me until I change my nick back to Degru.
[03:55] <fluvvell> scotty, excellent.  Whats the name of the box then? from the command prompt?
[03:56] <mJayk> lolololol Guest51988
[03:56] <usr13> fluvvell: irssi is (relatively) old. (1999)
[03:57] <Guest51988> how do i change my nick?
[03:57] <n-iCe> use /nick newnick
[03:57] <usr13> Guest51988: /nick
[03:57] <nightdemon666> i guess xchat is too.. ive used it once i think. comes preinstalled on damnsmall linux i think...
[03:57] <Guest51988> test
[03:57] <Guest51988> nope
[03:58] <caldronis> how dose one register with services?
[03:58] <p014k> there you go
[03:58] <p014k> caldronis: /msg nickserv help
[03:58] <burfl> fluvvell, sorry what did you want now? I was switched to a guest
[03:58] <caldronis> ty
[03:58] <usr13> nightdemon666: xchat initial release June 1999
[03:59] <p014k> xchat is awesome
[03:59] <usr13> nightdemon666: irssi, January 1999
[03:59] <nightdemon666> yeah i thought it was that old lol
[03:59] <dbrown> helloall
[03:59] <burfl> fluvvell, the box name is 'scotty-bunch-of-letters'
[04:00] <dbrown> i have a major issue
[04:00] <fluvvell> burfl, so can you ping "scotty-bunch-of-letters" from a command line on the w8 box
[04:00] <burfl> fluvvell, no it failed
[04:00] <Degru> irssi has tab key autocomplete for nicks
[04:00] <nightdemon666> i used mIRC back in the 90's lol, but then i was on windows 95
[04:01] <fluvvell> burfl, so if you go ifconfig on the linux box, and get your inet address for eth0, then ping the ip number from the w8 box, does that work?
[04:01] <fluvvell> burfl, I think you need a simpler name
[04:01] <fluvvell> burfl, for the linux box
[04:01] <burfl> fluvvell, command to change it?
[04:01] <nightdemon666> had i known better i would have used linu then though. dont know how that would have workewd out. i would imagine it was touch to get things working back in the 90's on junk gateway computer hardware :P
[04:01] <fluvvell> burfl, and did you turn off home group?
[04:01] <burfl> fluvvell yes
[04:02] <burfl_> fluvvell, btw pinging by ip works
[04:02] <burfl_> 4 packets sent, 4 received
[04:03] <xxiao> mir
[04:04] <fluvvell> burfl, try editing /etc/hostname and then rebooting
[04:04] <nightdemon666> p014k, do you have compiz config setting manager installed?? just a suggestion that might help you troubleshoot, that it may be a compiz thing...
[04:04] <xxiao> burfl_: no need to reboot
[04:05] <xxiao> hostname newname && hostname -f && echo newname > /etc/hostname && relogin
[04:05] <burfl_> fluvvell, okay i'll try that one sec
[04:05] <nightdemon666> hey, xxiao, what does using the & with another & mean. i know & means run in background, but how about two "&&" what does htat do???
[04:05] <p014k> nightdemon666: Ya, it's installed. It may be that. I'll just do a clean install soon.
[04:06] <p014k> Or is there a way to reset the settings to default
[04:06] <nightdemon666> p014k, it would be easier probably :P
[04:06] <nightdemon666> on compiz yes
[04:06] <xxiao> nightdemon666: it means the commands must exit 0, i.e succeeds , otherwise the following cmds will not run
[04:06] <dbrown> can someone point me to the ubuntu devoloper channel?
[04:06] <xxiao> dbrown: ubuntu-devel
[04:07] <dbrown> thanks
[04:07] <xxiao> frankly, after all those wayland/compiz/whatever/now-mir i'm thinking about debian again
[04:07] <nightdemon666> oh, means, first command must run before the next one in the line xxiao?
[04:07] <burfl_> fluvvell, I'll take this opportunity (while the nix box reboots) to thank you for donating your time to my cause.  it is appreciated.  you guys are unsung heroes
[04:08] <xxiao> nightdemon666: only if the previous command runs and has no issue, then the next one will run
[04:09] <p014k> crap. I hit restore to defaults and instead it unchecked everything.
[04:09] <p014k> Now I don't know what I had...
[04:09] <p014k> rather, what should be checked
[04:09] <nightdemon666> lol, xxiao, you know i thought very hard about going to just debian before i went ubuntu 12.04, but im actually ok with unity. im ok with it going the tablet direction, and thats ok. it isnt that bad. somethings just plain dont make sicne, like why they got rid of the desktop launcher, but very close ot just installing debian. i would have installed compiz anyway :D LOVE THEM EFFECTS! even if my netbook struggles with
[04:10] <burfl_> fluvvell, pinging from w8 to nix now works as expected using both the ip and the box name
[04:10] <burfl_> but the box does not appear in file explorer
[04:10] <fluvvell> burfl_, thats good news
[04:10] <ghost562> Hello Guvnah!
[04:10] <nightdemon666> i have a good idea to that p014k, if you pull up a live cd, it shows all the defaults... may take a bit but there arent oo many
[04:10] <fluvvell> burfl_, but what happens if you use \\box-name\  in the address bar of the file explorer
[04:10] <nightdemon666> thats what i do when i muck stuff up... just run a live image and clone settings.
[04:11] <ghost562> How Would I Go Upon Closing A Non Responsive App?
[04:11] <burfl_> fluvvell, you're genius...
[04:11] <nightdemon666> you can break a live image all day long lol
[04:11] <alen> I want to change permission of one of my root folder in such a way so that Current login user can write the file in that folder ,Not All(like Guest).Which command i should try?
[04:11] <giiker> is it normal in Ubuntu to need to be root to create folders in an encrypted (with Truecrypt) external HDD ?
[04:11] <nightdemon666> yopu ned to put thatuser in the correct group alen
[04:12] <fluvvell> burfl_, its been suggested before... ;-)
[04:12] <burfl_> fluvvell, I cannot understand why network discovery didn't work on it's own, but I just created two folders remotely, so I think we might be good
[04:12] <fluvvell> the genius bit lol
[04:12] <nightdemon666> yes giiker, you are performing admin task. root "should" be required for admin tasks like drive encryption
[04:12] <burfl_> fluvvell, rightly earned, thanks again for your time
[04:12] <fluvvell> burfl_, yeah the search stuff- not so good.  the name based should be fine
[04:13] <fluvvell> burfl_, no prob
[04:13] <dbrown> is ubuntu seriously moving away from compiz?
[04:13] <caldronis> i'M NOT GETTING THE REGISTERING RIGHT , SOS
[04:14] <alen> nightdemon666:Folder only root can change.please describe more.
[04:15] <nightdemon666> alen, try sudo chown root:currentusername /path/to/file and then perform a chmod u=rwx,g=rwx,o-rwx /path/to/file
[04:15] <ghost562> How Would I Go Upon Closing A Non Responsive App?
[04:15] <alen> nightdemon666:Thanks.
[04:16] <ghost562> Right-Clicking And Selecting Quit, Not Working.
[04:16] <nightdemon666> ghost562, perform a sudo kill (pid)
[04:16] <ghost562> nightdemon666, will try.
[04:16] <dbrown> is alen pope in here?
[04:16] <nightdemon666> or sudo kill -9 (pid) run top to see program name thats being a butt :P
[04:16] <ghost562> pid!
[04:17] <nightdemon666> which program is it ghost?
[04:17] <ghost562> video player.
[04:17] <ghost562> movie player, sorry
[04:17] <nightdemon666> which one. vlc?
[04:17] <nightdemon666> or totem?
[04:17] <ghost562> the default ubuntu one
[04:17] <nightdemon666> yeah, you can do a killall totem in your user name in the command line\
[04:18] <ghost562> ok, so
[04:18] <ghost562> sudo killall totem(addusernamehere)?
[04:18] <thoonai> hey
[04:18] <nightdemon666> you dont need root if you ran the program. i advise root user to NOT be used when you can get away with it.
[04:18] <thoonai> how do I list ejabberd registered users?
[04:18] <nightdemon666> no ghost, just killall totem, your user account ran the program
[04:19] <selena2013> thank you Ubuntu i love you
[04:19] <ghost562> ok
[04:19] <nightdemon666> let me know if that did the trick ghost562 :)
[04:20] <ghost562> nightdemon666, just typed it killall totem, that closed it, thanks :D
[04:20] <nightdemon666> :)
[04:20] <ghost562> in
[04:21] <nightdemon666> you only need leading sudo command if root owns that program. you can see that in top when you type it. you can see who is running that app.
[04:21] <nightdemon666> you can also type top | grep totem, and it will show onlt that line as well :)
[04:21] <ajx1999> i need major help
[04:21] <ajx1999> anyone here
[04:22] <nightdemon666> yes
[04:22] <nightdemon666> ajx, whats up?
[04:22] <ajx1999> do you know how to solve the gnu grub screen
[04:22] <ajx1999> i starded it up
[04:22] <nightdemon666> it depends onwhat you want out of it
[04:22] <ajx1999> im using dual boot
[04:22] <ajx1999> i says i cant load kernal
[04:22] <ajx1999> i looked up like 10 tutorials
[04:23] <ajx1999> i have very valuable documents on that side
[04:23] <ghost562> nightdemon666, awesome thanks for the help
[04:23] <ghost562> :D
[04:23] <Jeremy3D> anyone set up a wireless hp printer before with ubuntu 12.04 ?
[04:23] <Jeremy3D> cause i could use some help on how
[04:23] <ajx1999> can anyone helop me
[04:23] <ajx1999> no one
[04:23] <ajx1999> :(
[04:23] <giiker> nightdemon666: even with truecrypt?
[04:23] <Jeremy3D> wirelessly that is
[04:24] <nightdemon666> i would imagine so giiker, you are doing something to a harddrive.. ususally calls out for root to do that.
[04:24] <giiker> nightdemon666: makes sense to me, thanks for the explanation
[04:25] <nightdemon666> thats a new one on me ajx1999
[04:25] <nightdemon666> let me think...
[04:26] <nightdemon666> does it take you to busybox ajx1999
[04:26] <nightdemon666> and, you have a link to one of those tutorials?
[04:27] <ghost562> ajx1999, just post your question, and if someone has the answer, they will help
[04:27] <elisa87> I want to ssh to my computer at my lab I have this info jalal@dfyhs5l1:~/cuda/rodinia_2.2/cuda/nw$ hpcstruct ./needle ( is jalal@dfyhs5l1 my username?)
[04:27] <ghost562> jeremy3d, post away.
[04:28] <nightdemon666> you might be able to fix running sudo fsck /dev/(sda1 or sda2 or sda3 or what ever it is you have linux installed on)
[04:28] <Jeremy3D> ghost562, i'm researching now to see where to begin.  i was able to run disc that came with printer and set up computer with win7 easily. mac air was a bit trickier cause i just had to hook up usb and then download drivers from hp site.
[04:28] <nightdemon666> i think the user name is jalal elisa
[04:28] <Jeremy3D> i'm supposing i have to do the same thing as the mac for ubuntu, via usb cable. printer is on other side of room and hoping to get it to talk via wifi
[04:29] <dumont> anyone use FDE and dualboot to windows on the same disk?
[04:29] <dumont> is it possible? wouldn't FDE not work for windows partition, ps FDE is full disk encryption
[04:29] <nightdemon666> um, you should be able ot do both dumont
[04:29] <ghost562> jeremy3d, printer offers wireless capabilities?
[04:29] <Jeremy3D> printer has built in wifi yes
[04:29] <xangua> Jeremy3D: is your printer already sync with your wifi¿
[04:29] <dumont> nightdemon666 won't ubuntu software FDE encrypt the whole disk, not just a whole partition?
[04:30] <nightdemon666> jeremy3d, did you look to see if there were wireless drivers on hp site???
[04:30] <Jeremy3D> yea win7 comp and osx comp are both working right now
[04:30] <nightdemon666> linux drivers, sorry not wireless
[04:30] <Jeremy3D> nightdemon666, getting directed here - http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html? reading up on it now
[04:30] <dumont> and since the disk contains windows partition, and windows cannot decrypt ubuntu software FDE, then windows won't dualboot
[04:31] <Jeremy3D> HPLIP Toolbox in software center. that might be all i need
[04:31] <nightdemon666> ok, so... the scoop is, GRUB should be calling out the boot sequence. soooo, you should be able to boot windows or linux via grub with both disk encrypted
[04:32] <nightdemon666> jeremy3d, does the linux generic drivers not work on yur HP printer???
[04:32] <giiker> elisa87: your username should be jalal
[04:32] <Jeremy3D> nightdemon666, i guess what i'm looking for is the hp utility to find and print wirelessly. havent hooked up usb yet cause printer on other side of the room
[04:33] <giiker> elisa87: whatever is after @ is the server followed by the path to a folder to that server
[04:33] <nightdemon666> screw usb jeremy, go wireless... thats hwat you baught it for. i have a brother printer works great and wireless :)
[04:33] <nightdemon666> i second what giiker says again. i run ssh all day long :)
[04:34] <Jeremy3D> right nightdemon666 but i think i gotta go usb temporarily to get it installed correctly. then i can go wifi. this tool i got off software center seems to know whats up
[04:34] <ghost562> jeremy3d, i think thats all you need, once you install the utitilty, hook up via usb, it install driver, then you can remove usb, and hook up via wifi
[04:34] <nightdemon666> i see, if it work, it works, and thats half the battle.. GI JOE!
[04:35] <ghost562> nice one demon :D
[04:35] <giiker> has anyone ever used Irssi and CenterIM, which is one is better, customization wise?
[04:35] <john38> can someone recommend a good way to connect to a https server with login and password?
[04:35] <nightdemon666> lol
[04:35] <john38> on ubuntu
[04:35] <Ben64> john38: firefox
[04:35] <nightdemon666> http://(https ip addrss)
[04:35] <Jeremy3D> ghost562, i think you're correct. will know shortly. thanks for the help, you too nightdemon666
[04:35] <john38> oops
[04:36] <john38> stupid me
[04:36] <giiker> I would only use HTTPS john38 :-)
[04:36] <ghost562> jeremy3d, no problem, thats what we are here for.
[04:36] <dumont> nightdemon666 so who's doing the disk decryption... when booting into windows??
[04:36] <silv3r_m00n> I am using kde, whenever I shutdown, the gnome desktop comes up for 1-2 seconds, does the gnome desktop keep running behind kde ?
[04:37] <nightdemon666> giiker
[04:37] <Ben64> silv3r_m00n: how do you know it's gnome
[04:37] <nightdemon666> whats the secret dumont?
[04:37] <giiker> nightdemon666: yeaah?
[04:37] <dumont> silv3r_m00n why not install kubuntu?
[04:37] <nightdemon666> i think dumont has some info for you gikker
[04:37] <nightdemon666> giiker
[04:37] <giiker> dumont: kernel is
[04:38] <nightdemon666> me spell bad lol
[04:38] <silv3r_m00n> Ben64: the gnome icons and all come up, it's the same thing that comes up when logging in to a gnome session
[04:38] <dumont> giiker.... IN WINDOWS!
[04:38] <john38> Ben64, well the problem is that this is a finance institution site with login and pass thats usually uses a program to connect
[04:38] <john38> giiker, well the problem is that this is a finance institution site with login and pass thats usually uses a program to connect
[04:38] <giiker> dumont: same thing
[04:38] <silv3r_m00n> dumont: i installed ubuntu long back and then installed kubuntu from synaptic too, its continuing since then
[04:38] <john38> nightdemon666, well the problem is that this is a finance institution site with login and pass thats usually uses a program to connect
[04:39] <john38> under windows
[04:39] <dumont> giiker how is ubunut's kernel decrypting the disk when booting and physically running windows?
[04:40] <john38> anybody help me?
[04:40] <nightdemon666> john38, i could see problems with that on ubuntu... if that software isnt supoported on linux, you may have problems :( however, it may be possible to run wine, there may be a linux evrsion of the software, or you can run windows form a VM
[04:40] <spencer> Hey
[04:40] <john38> nightdemon666, oh
[04:40] <spencer> Where is the best place to get help with bash script
[04:41] <nightdemon666> that program is likely a browser plugin of somesort right? john38
[04:41] <ivotkl> Have to go guys. See you later. =)
[04:41] <giiker> dumont: can you elaborate again pls?
[04:41] <john38> nightdemon666, well its a small client that you install on windows with login pass prompt
[04:41] <giiker> dumont: can you ask your question again, I dont want to Pageup to find it
[04:42] <Ben64> john38: can't you just go to the website
[04:42] <john38> nightdemon666, i thought i could do that with remote desktop
[04:42] <john38> Ben64, i tried wont go in
[04:42] <holstein> john38: you can try wine, or ask them for a linux application...
[04:42] <Ben64> what kind of silly bank need to run a program to do online banking
[04:43] <nightdemon666> yeah, seen that before with a home camera set up too... no linux support with that. if you absolutely HAD to access that site from linux you need ot run a vm with windos on it, if you have the resources
[04:43] <cfhowlett> lots of banks use browser specific plug ins ..
[04:43] <Ben64> john38: what bank/website is it?
[04:43] <john38> Ben64, the client is called Encompass360
[04:44] <holstein> john38: how did it work in wine?
[04:44] <john38> holstein, havent tried yet
[04:45] <giiker> john38: I owuld suggest nightdemon666's, run it in a VM if you have good amount of RAM and good CPU, just suspend it when you don't need to run it.
[04:45] <nightdemon666> screw wine.. my opinion
[04:45] <dumont> giiker, the disk contains a windows and an ubuntu system. I want to use software full disk encryption. is it possible or not?
[04:45] <holstein> nightdemon666: i agree, but they are likely not going to give john38 a naitive client.. though it should be requested
[04:46] <dumont> 2 problems: 1. windows doesn't know how to decrypt data encrypted via ubuntu FDE. 2. does FDE encrypt the disk or partition?
[04:46] <nightdemon666> agreed, maybe prmote more linux support :)
[04:46] <giiker> why run wine, which  sometimes is very good really, when you can have everything in a VM?
[04:47] <Ben64> wine doesn't require a windows license
[04:47] <giiker> dumont: do you have separate paritions on Ubuntu?
[04:47] <dumont> why does that matter?
[04:48] <nightdemon666> soo, i would imagin that the disk encryption needs to stay on the separate partitions and invoked per OS. truecrypt for windows run from windows to ecrypt the partition, (might cause issues) then truecrypt for linux run in ubuntu
[04:48] <john38> is there any ubuntu software that enables login pass entry to https
[04:49] <Ben64> john38: i don't think you're going to get what you want here
[04:49] <giiker> dumont: ok, let see what I get from your question, You have a disk with an NTFS and an EXT3/4 parition, right? and you want to encrypt both paritions?
[04:49] <Ben64> john38: and the answer to that is "firefox"
[04:49] <john38> Ben64, ok
[04:49] <one> how do I display dmesg | tail at regular update intervals ?
[04:49] <nightdemon666> john38, i think its really due to browse plugin. if its not supported for linux i'd use a VM for now, but do ask for a linux app to see if its supoported. dont be down on your luck if its not
[04:50] <john38> nightdemon666, cool
[04:50] <nightdemon666> thats a good question one
[04:50] <one> Ubuntu: How do I display dmesg | tail at regular update intervals ?
[04:50] <Ben64> !patience | one
[04:50] <giiker> Ben64: good reason, but I still have my XP disc laying around in the dust, since I switched ti  Linux completley :-)
[04:50] <nightdemon666> you may need ot run another output program one
[04:51] <nightdemon666> dmesg | tail | (someother program)
[04:51] <dumont> giiker I guess that depends if FDE can encrypt only 1 partition.
[04:51] <giiker> john38: if you are using ann app from a finance institution, they might have some real reasons for you to only use that program also
[04:51] <nightdemon666> giiker, i think truecrypt can encrypt partition or disk :) but i would nOT encrypt a whole disk if you have another OS on it
[04:52] <nightdemon666> especially if windows didnt see it coming. i would run encryption software per OS
[04:53] <Nimble> nightdemon666, is it possible to set up encryption per disk and have another disk on the machine without it?
[04:54] <nightdemon666> startuing with windows of course, it case it screws something up. probablyt best to have started out with gparted to allocate the space for ubuntu ahead of time. run partition encryption from windows, make sure its working, then uinstall ubuntu, and run partition encryption on the ubuntu side. that should have both partitions encrypted and both os geared to decrypt :)
[04:55] <nightdemon666> oh i bet nimble... probably the easier way actually
[04:55] <Nimble> hmm
[04:55] <Nimble> I have a computer where I might put windows and ubuntu on separate disks
[04:55] <Nimble> so I'm thinking about it
[04:55] <nightdemon666> do it
[04:56] <nightdemon666> id say encrypt them both though, but do understand that you have to ask your self, what you are encrypting it for...
[04:56] <giiker> nightdemon666: nope at all, after so many tries, encryptions, keys, pssphrases I have decided to keep windows partitions alone, even though I can use Truecrypt on it, encrypt my /home in linux and have 3 full force encrypted redundant backups-1. local (external drive) 2. my parent's house 3. cloud? I haven't decied yet on the cloud option yet
[04:57] <giiker> nightdemon666: I make backups of my encrypted /home to the other redundant ones :-;
[04:57] <nightdemon666> safe choice giiker, screwing with windows partition can f it all up\
[04:57] <nightdemon666> all encrypted giiker? even the back ups?
[04:57] <giiker> nightdemon666: yeap, that's how i learned...
[04:58] <Nimble> nightdemon666, I don't feel like using truecrypt for it
[04:58] <dumont> the situation is even more complicated when doing it on SSD
[04:58] <Nimble> I could do it with bitlocker though
[04:58] <dumont> because SSD automatically reallocates blocks during cleaning
[04:58] <Alakullihal> hay all... are 13.04 support until 18 mounth only?
[04:59] <cfhowlett> Alakullihal, correct
[04:59] <giiker> nightdemon666: yeap, I keep only very often used files unencrypted on my system and that's it, but try to do incremental backups not to have too much date unencrypted
[04:59] <nightdemon666> so honestly i havent gone in and performed disk encryptin except for my admin home folder in ubutnu 12.04. i realize now i should though. all too late.. i can choose ot encrypt when ever i want to right???
[05:00] <Alakullihal> why? it LTS?
[05:00] <cfhowlett> Alakullihal, LTS support is 36 months ...
[05:00] <nightdemon666> Long Term Support
[05:00] <cfhowlett> !LTS|Alakullihal,
[05:01] <Alakullihal> so for 13.04 why 18 mounth only?
[05:01] <giiker> nightdemon666: yeap, you can encrypt later on, but I think it ś safer to do everything from the beginning, since when you change to encrypted partitions, you might run into some problems, at least that's what I heard
[05:02] <cfhowlett> Alakullihal, ALL non-LTS releases are 18 month support.  this is business as usual.
[05:02] <nightdemon666> giiker, i can choose to encrypt when ever i want, even if i installed ubuntu with out encryption right? and truecrypt is best option? ive been reading up on this lately
[05:02] <cfhowlett> Alakullihal, 13.04 will NOT be an LTS release.
[05:02] <xangua> Alakullihal: normal releases are, 13.04 is not LTS, for more /join #ubuntu+1
[05:02] <burfl_> my Ubuntu box went to sleep while xferring large files... any way to stop this from happening?
[05:02] <Alakullihal> oh. 13.04 non-LTS...
[05:02] <nightdemon666> i was afraid of that giiker :/ they should really have that option in the installer
[05:02] <giiker> nightdemon666: yes you can encrypt later
[05:03] <nightdemon666> truecrypt is what you use too right giiker?
[05:03] <burfl_> a clarification: i was transferring files *to* the Ubuntu box
[05:03] <giiker> nightdemon666: I have been using truecrypt for the last 8 years I think, and as long as you keep you keys and passphrases in safe places you are good to go
[05:03] <giiker> nightdemon666: I use TC, yeap
[05:03] <nightdemon666> oh ok, so truecrypt is badass software.. cool. i will keep that in mind :)
[05:04] <nightdemon666> it does take up some additional space thoug doesnt it giiker
[05:04] <giiker> nightdemon666: Truecrypt is so good, that I read a benchmark of a guy that after encrypting his hard drive, windows run much fater on it, I don know if the same was on Linux though
[05:05] <giiker> nightdemon666: what do you mean extra space?
[05:05] <Tex_Nick> Alakullihal:  you might find some useful info here ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[05:05] <Alakullihal> I think it would be nice if ubuntu by rolling release
[05:06] <burfl_> this box is intended to be a home server, how can i stop it from going to sleep?
[05:07] <nightdemon666> i mean causes there ito ultimately be more space comsumed on hard drive because data is encrypted.. true giiker?
[05:07] <giiker> nightdemon666: I never read or heard that. where did you get this?
[05:09] <nightdemon666> an article i happened to brush by on my phone. dont recall exact artical.. so you are saying that x amount of datat encrypted or not is still the same x amount of data. it doesnt cause file size ot get larger or anything?
[05:10] <BlackWeb> I have a 3TB WD Internal Hard Drive, That I'm running into problems with, I've tried parted, & Gparted and I keep running into the same Error, "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir" Any Ideas? Its a brand New Hard Drive, I've tried replacing the SATA Cable, Changing the Position of the Cable & all, The Motherboard is Brand New
[05:11] <nightdemon666> burfl, so i think i remember this being an issue.. i suppose you didnt replace gnome screensaver with xscreensaver, so default screen saver (blank) is set up, and you went in the power setings and turned the sleep off correct?
[05:12] <nightdemon666> blackweb, have you formatted it?
[05:12] <one> How bout that dmesg | tail question?
[05:12] <giiker> nightdemon666: I might have to say here I don know as a matter of fact, but I ḿ going to check my disk to see how much space is left, jejeje!
[05:12] <BlackWeb> ya trying to format it now, & it keeps erroring out,
[05:12] <nightdemon666> it would be nice ot know giiker :)
[05:12] <nightdemon666> let me now what you find
[05:12] <BlackWeb> Input Or Output error
[05:13] <BlackWeb> since its over 2Tb I'm using parted & gpt as the Partition table
[05:13] <nightdemon666> ok... i can probably help with this one... had same issue with seagate...
[05:14] <nightdemon666> blackweb, do you have access to a windows runnign comoputer and admid right?
[05:14] <nightdemon666> rights?
[05:14] <BlackWeb> But ya everytime I try to make a partition on it then it gives me a error, Input / Output Error if I use parted or "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir" If I use mkfs.ext3,    Right now then I'm gonna try installing Windows 7 on it now
[05:15] <BlackWeb> Last time I tried it gave me a error also, Which I googled and someone said to try & replace SATA Cable so trying that now,
[05:16] <burfl_> Does anybody know?  This seems like it should be simple.  I need to stop my ubuntu machine from going to sleep due to inactivity
[05:16] <crizis> burfl_: system settings > power ?
[05:16] <BlackWeb> burfl, if you search Power
[05:16] <crizis> suspend when inactive for <don't suspend>
[05:16] <burfl_> crizis Yea I set those
[05:17] <burfl_> no change
[05:17] <burfl_> do I need to reboot to take effect?
[05:17] <nightdemon666> yeah blackweb, i suggest insatll to windows. reformat in windows, and format to RAW
[05:17] <crizis> not afaik.. could at least try logout/login but dno
[05:17] <nightdemon666> then install to ubutnu, and run gparted and format to what ever you want
[05:18] <nightdemon666> still looking one...
[05:18] <jstrong1> Would anyone happen to know why adding the following line to my sources.list is not working for Ubuntu 10.04? deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ lucid main
[05:18] <BlackWeb> alright, ya the crazy thing is i built another server, Same MOBD, & Hard Drive & No problems, But this ones been giving me hell
[05:19] <giiker> nightdemon666: ok, I just copied a file of 200 MB to my truecrypt partition and there is no takeup of space
[05:19] <jstrong1> According to the postgres docs that's what it should look like, but I get: W: Failed to fetch http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/dists/lucid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:4800:7903:1::133 80]
[05:19] <nightdemon666> so, file size doesnt grow.. good to know giiker. thanks :)
[05:20] <nightdemon666> means that server is down jstrong
[05:21] <jstrong1> what happens is that the url is: http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/dists/lucid-pgdg/
[05:21] <jstrong1> so they're using a non-standard format.
[05:22] <giiker> nightdemon666: not so fast, though there is some take up of space at the start of the encryption
[05:24] <burfl_> crizis, thanks.. I think the problem was actually faulty wiring.  It just powered off very suddenly while I was watching it.  When powered back up there were "lines" scanning down the monitor.  I plugged both into a different outlet and it seems to be okay atm
[05:24] <crizis> :O
[05:24] <burfl_> maybe a bad breaker.. who knows
[05:25] <nightdemon666> so, ONE i found a way to kinda do it, and you may tweak you your liking... run cmmand    watch --differences dmesg | tail
[05:25] <giiker> nightdemon666: I see about 187 MB used before adding/creating any files or folders, they must be related to keys or parts of truecrypt for the encryption to take place
[05:26] <giiker> nightdemon666: after that i did not see any increase :-)
[05:26] <tuxnguyendlk> SELinux is preventing wine-preloader from mmap_zero access on the memprotect .
[05:26] <tuxnguyendlk> *****  Plugin mmap_zero (53.1 confidence) suggests  **************************
[05:26] <tuxnguyendlk> If you do not think wine-preloader should need to mmap low memory in the kernel.
[05:26] <tuxnguyendlk> Then you may be under attack by a hacker, this is a very dangerous access.
[05:26] <tuxnguyendlk> Do
[05:26] <FloodBot1> tuxnguyendlk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:26] <tuxnguyendlk> contact your security administrator and report this issue.
[05:26] <nightdemon666> i have a t4b drive so more consumption was a concern. thank you giiker. it was bad enough it took over 200GB away just to format it ext4! :(
[05:27] <maxkollide> Hi everyone. So... I have an intermittent problem where my laptop freezes up randomly. I haven't filed a bug report because I wouldn't know what to put, but... This time, it locked up and I can still ssh into the box! This doesn't usually happen (usually networking goes down with the system too) so I was windering if there was anything I might be able to do to check out what's causing the hangs.
[05:27] <nightdemon666> um run dmesg when ytou ssh into the box
[05:28] <giiker> nightdemon666: you must have either huge video files or you have much more data than me, I haven't reached the 4 TB size yet :-)
[05:28] <nightdemon666> first guess was good :]
[05:28] <nightdemon666> lol
[05:29] <giiker> nightdemon666: you know you can access your video files ( i don't know if encrypted though) if you change your bs?
[05:29] <giiker> nightdemon666:  I menat, you know you can access your video files faster ( i don't know if encrypted though) if you change your bs?
[05:29] <nightdemon666> i chopped it up into two back up drives too. 2tb for videos, 1.5 for photoback up for my wifes photography and .5 for other back up :)
[05:30] <nightdemon666> bs?
[05:30] <nightdemon666> sorry, dont know what bs means please explaine
[05:30] <maxkollide> *sigh* never mind I guess. Networking just went down and I didn't have time to run anything.
[05:30] <maxkollide> I really would like to find out what's causing the crashing though.
[05:30] <giiker> nightdemon666: byte size
[05:30] <nightdemon666> maxkollide, couldnt you also ctrl+alt+F1 into vurtual terminal?
[05:31] <maxkollide> Nope, whole systems down.
[05:31] <nightdemon666> hmm, not sure about that one giiker
[05:31] <maxkollide> Screen freezes, mouse and keyboard unresponsive
[05:31] <nightdemon666> that may take some troble shooting during formating correct?
[05:32] <nightdemon666> ok, maxkollide, do you hard shutdown or other???
[05:32] <maxkollide> I usually just hard shutdown. I pull the battery on it.
[05:32] <nightdemon666> sadface :(
[05:32] <maxkollide> There's like no other way to get it to close.
[05:33] <nightdemon666> you really should perform alt+print screen key, then press while holding the other two REISUB
[05:33] <nightdemon666> thats safer on hard drive and OS IMO
[05:33] <maxkollide> Wait, what?
[05:33] <maxkollide> Go over that again?
[05:33] <nightdemon666> i almost NEVER hard shut down if i dont have to
[05:34] <maxkollide> Alt and print screen?
[05:34] <manolos> hi. how can i see in which partion grub2 is installed?
[05:34] <nightdemon666> hold down alt+prt scr keys at the same time... while holding those two, press REISUB one second apart form each other... i wan tot see if the kernal is still alive
[05:34] <manolos> no. my mistake. in which hard drive i mean
[05:35] <maxkollide> What's REISUB?
[05:35] <nightdemon666> the kesy on your keyboard. R E I S U B
[05:35] <maxkollide> Or do you mean the letters REISUB?
[05:35] <maxkollide> Oh
[05:35] <maxkollide> Okay
[05:36] <nightdemon666> alt+prt scr
[05:36] <nightdemon666> then
[05:36] <nightdemon666> R E I S U B
[05:36] <nightdemon666> one after the other one second part :)
[05:36] <FloodBot1> nightdemon666: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:36] <maxkollide> I'll try that next time... I can probably get it to crash again soon lol
[05:36] <nightdemon666> you learne d anew trick ;)
[05:36] <giiker> nightdemon666: when you format your drives, i did this on Winblows though, You can choose the zise of your cluster, since video files are larger in size, the larger the cluster will allowed for faster access to the video file, instead of accessing different cluster all over the HD
[05:36] <giiker> nightdemon666: if it is just for archiving though, default size it is ok
[05:37] <maxkollide> So if I might ask, what does this magic REISUB thing do?
[05:38] <nightdemon666> that may be benefical giiker.. i have it set up as sftp access and smb access to read only for all but my admin user. may improve access speed :) i think i read about that on the webs using gparted to adjust the byte size or somehting like that
[05:39] <nightdemon666> each letter stands for a command invoked by the kernal (if its still alive after crash) and soft reboots your computer forcefully and clean. better than hard shut down maxkollide
[05:40] <maxkollide> Interesting
[05:40] <maxkollide> Ok
[05:41] <nightdemon666> maxkollide, if you are able to perform that command ten the kernal is still running and thats good news! at least for your hard drive and your OS. now, the next thing to do is when you reboot back in, go through your dmesg logs
[05:41] <giiker> nightdemon666: yeah you can find more info about cluster size increase in video forums...
[05:41] <duckx0r> Can anyone tell me if there's anything wrong with this query? http://pastebin.com/ZT1CurRL I'm getting "Unknown column 'changes.conf_num' in 'on clause'" even though this column does exist.
[05:41] <nightdemon666> ls /var/log/ | grep dmesg
[05:42] <nightdemon666> then you can all your dmesg logs and go through them one by one. cat /var/log/dmesg.0
[05:43] <nightdemon666> you can also look up specifics like key words "error" or "fail" these words hopefully giving you the clue on whats causing the fail.. which coud be a bazillion things. try cat /var/log/dmesg.0 | grep fail or error or Fail or Error... caps to matter ot grep program
[05:45] <nightdemon666> giiker, the video forums would guld me to a relative number, or tell me how to figure that on my own? too bad i already exeeced my disk space beyond flushing back to other drives to format the 4tb again :P
[05:46] <giiker> nightdemon666: thats where i got this info from, some of those guys are into HDD optimization. look it up
[05:46] <giiker> night night everyone
[05:47] <nightdemon666> laterz giiker
[05:47] <maxkollide> Okay so... My dmesg.0 doesn't look like it has anything interesting in it.
[05:48] <maxkollide> Closest I've even got to anything "interesting" is a message that days "init: failsafe main process (897) killed by TERM signal"
[05:49] <ninja-hattori> hello any solution for partitions shown twice in thunar on xubuntu quantal?
[05:49] <maxkollide> I don't know what it means but it was the most interesting message matched by Fail or fail
[05:49] <nightdemon666> anything pertaining to the fail "should" be captured in that file... suckage.. thought that might lead you to the root cause...
[05:52] <nightdemon666> you can ssh from another machine see if you can run watch --differences dmesg | tail. this way you may catch it in the act
[05:53] <AndChat-732081> Maybe I can still track it down if I can ssh into the system after it goes down again. It's only a matter of time before it crashes again.
[05:53] <GnomeNostalgia> is there an uubuntu remix that uses the MATE desktop (I don't want Mint or the like, I want someting that look more like 10.04)
[05:53] <nightdemon666> ah! your name changed!
[05:54] <nightdemon666> AndChat, what kind of machine is this?
[05:54] <panorain> Tex_Nick hi
[05:54] <nightdemon666> desktop?
[05:57] <xangua> GnomeNostalgia: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[05:57] <GnomeNostalgia> [16:53] <GnomeNostalgia> is there an uubuntu remix that uses the MATE desktop (I don't want Mint or the like, I want someting that look more like 10.04)
[05:57] <GnomeNostalgia> ive tried this and the problem is that the unity apps and conf files gets mixed up with the mate ones
[05:57] <xangua> for anything else, you are on your own and of course mate is nor supported here ;)
[05:58] <xangua> GnomeNostalgia: then you should ask help for the ones who maintain that ppa /mate , tried mint channel¿
[05:59] <Taev> how do I get out of Unity and into KDE or gnome
[05:59] <xangua> Taev: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  , to install kde
[06:00] <Taev> how do i get a terminal in this mess?
[06:00] <GnomeNostalgia> xaguna:I hate mint and i hate gnome-fallback as well
[06:00] <Taev> nm
[06:00] <xangua> GnomeNostalgia: you can hate all and everyone and what will change nothing ;)
[06:01] <uiuiui32> Hi. I am trying to configure Ubuntu 12.10 as a VM host using kvm. But when I do a virsh qemu://system list, I get a cacert.pem not found error.
[06:01] <uiuiui32> How can I resolve this? Can someone please help?
[06:01] <jp> hi
[06:01] <Guest12042> hi
[06:02] <Guest12042> ko
[06:03] <panorain> hello
[06:04] <GnomeNostalgia> im going to the #mate channel
[06:06] <LordBidoof> Hello
[06:06] <LordBidoof> Damn you UEFI!!
[06:06] <panorain> I am a noob
[06:07] <LordBidoof> panorain:me too
[06:07] <LordBidoof> what is worse noob's can't get UEFI working
[06:07] <LordBidoof> :(
[06:07] <panorain> I have Slitaz with psk wireless to the left
[06:08] <panorain> LordBidoof I don't know UEFI I will be quiet
[06:10] <LordBidoof> panorain: UEFI makes installing ubuntu/other linux difficult on new computers
[06:11] <panorain> LordBidoof is UEFI a filesyatem partition?
[06:11] <SwedeMike> panorain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefi
[06:11] <panorain> SwedeMike thank you
[06:14] <lewowpard> hi my thunar on xubuntu 12.10 is showing partitions twice, how can i hide them? tanhk you.
[06:19] <snodo> hi, my ssh works from anywhere except when using my university Internet any ideas why this might be?
[06:20] <ttoti> Firewall
[06:20] <SwedeMike> snodo: try using tcptraceroute <host> 22 when it doesn't work and see where it stops.
[06:20] <ttoti> Firewall for schools usually block the port. Happens to me as well
[06:21] <snodo> swedemike: sure ill will try that, tmrw not at uni at the moment, they have solaris servers, i guess its some kinds of firewall.
[06:21] <snodo> *kind
[06:22] <one> Ubuntu: What is the command line argument to update dmesg | tail at regular intervals?
[06:22] <Nimble> watch
[06:23] <Nimble> watch "dmesg | tail"
[06:23] <SwedeMike> one: or "sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog" (or whatever log you want to look at)
[06:29] <lewowpard> seems no ones using xubuntu here. very well then i wont ask anything evar
[06:29] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, i'm on xubuntu.  ask
[06:29] <panorain> lewowpard what is your question
[06:30] <lewowpard> okay. my thunar on xubuntu 12.10 is showing partitions twice, how can i hide them? thank you.
[06:31] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, settings > desktop > icons ...
[06:33] <lewowpard> i already unchecked removable devices but partition duplicates keep showing up.
[06:33] <one> thanks guys
[06:35] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, unclick all expect home and trash ?
[06:38] <subcool> histo, you around?
[06:39] <lewowpard> cfhowlett: thanks, did that too but still didn't help
[06:45] <one> Ubuntu: How do I download source as unprivldg user? Using apt-get source "pkg" tries to unpack it and asks for dpkg-dev.
[06:45] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, sorry, IDK what to say.  works fine for me ...
[06:46] <SuperLag> Any of you guys use Nvidia Quadro cards in your Ubuntu boxen?
[06:52] <lewowpard> cfhowlett: screenshot: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-dd3c2e07.html again thank you.
[06:54] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, suggest you use the ubuntu screenshot tool ... the one you sent wants me to download an .exe file.  I think not ...
[06:54] <cfhowlett> !paste
[06:54] <alainus> i find that ubuntu runs rather slow on an intel i7-3770k + 4gb ram, even crashing often... is this normal or could it be some configuration problem? i'm thinking about switching to lubuntu but i want to rule that out first
[06:54] <alainus> crashes are not regular though
[06:57] <aeon-ltd> alainus: got the right drivers for gpus/pci cards/other peripherals?
[06:58] <lewowpard> cfhowlett: sorry. http://imagebin.org/249024
[07:01] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, try killing all icon desktop display options ...
[07:03] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, also, is this a wubi/windows installation or ... ?
[07:03] <cfhowlett> lewowpard, disregard the icon settings .. bad advice from me ...
[07:04] <Syria> could someone please tell me how can I completly remove phpmyadmin and SQL ! after deleting the users from phpmyadmin by accedent I cannot log in anymore!
[07:04] <cctest> join #matlab
[07:05] <lewowpard> cfhowlett: never mind you've been very helpful. thank you sir. gtg bye.
[07:06] <thoonai> Syria: normally apt-get purge
[07:07] <thoonai> and then the packet name
[07:07] <cfhowlett> Syria, apt-get remove --purge
[07:09] <Syria> thoonai:  cfhowlett  I am getting a message telling a lot of stuff starts with "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)   " I have deleted all the users by accedent and this is why I want to remove it and re-installl it from the scratch.
[07:09] <thoonai> cfhowlett: not apt-get purge?
[07:09] <cfhowlett> thoonai, same outcome, different command sequence ... should kill the program and remove all config files
[07:10] <cfhowlett> Syria, sorry, beyond that kind of error is over my head.
[07:10] <c|oneman> heh, my buddy's at it again... left himself a backdoor to login as root
[07:13] <jony> I need the best IP scanner software, please help
[07:14] <cfhowlett> !best|jony
[07:18] <kalenjohnson> Just wiped my main drive tonight. Windows is officially gone.  No windows now :D
[07:20] <jony> I need an IP scanner software, please help
[07:20] <IzzoDizzo> can' t run ubuntu on my mbp :X
[07:20] <IzzoDizzo> jony, nmap
[07:21] <tjbenator> lol
[07:21] <kalenjohnson> IzzoDizzo, why not?
[07:21] <jony> IzzoDizzo, it has GUI?
[07:21] <kalenjohnson> tjbenator, SSD's are awesome, one of the best upgrades I've made on a computer
[07:21] <IzzoDizzo> well i can, but the nouveau drivers randomly freeze xwindows, and nvidia drivers just give a black screen
[07:21] <IzzoDizzo> jony, no
[07:21] <jony> IzzoDizzo, I need something with GUI
[07:21] <kalenjohnson> IzzoDizzo, that sucks. Do you have one with the Retina display?
[07:21] <kalenjohnson> I hate saying Retina display...
[07:22] <IzzoDizzo> nope. not a retina
[07:22] <IzzoDizzo> 2010 model, with a geforce 330m
[07:22] <IzzoDizzo> think it might be because of EFI
[07:22] <Ario> Hello. I am trying to get Ubunto, and was wondering if I will lose all my Programs and Documents switching from Win 7
[07:22] <tjbenator> kalenjohnson, totally agree, makes a world of difference
[07:22] <kalenjohnson> huh, kind of strange
[07:22] <IzzoDizzo> but i can't do a normal bios install, as i removed the superdrive to put in an extra hd
[07:23] <IzzoDizzo> and apple doesnt like installing from usb
[07:23] <IzzoDizzo> without EFI
[07:23] <kalenjohnson> IzzoDizzo, I assume you installed the 64-bit version
[07:23] <IzzoDizzo> yup
[07:23] <IzzoDizzo> tried a few now
[07:23] <kalenjohnson> that's too bad
[07:23] <IzzoDizzo> as soon as i install nvidia-current, experimental or bumblebee and reboot, screen goes black
[07:23] <kalenjohnson> I dunno, maybe if you can get a hold of an external DVD drive
[07:23] <IzzoDizzo> backlight stays on tho
[07:24] <IzzoDizzo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2093599
[07:24] <IzzoDizzo> this guy has the same problems
[07:24] <Ario> I guess I must be in the wrong channel
[07:24] <IzzoDizzo> ario ?
[07:24] <IzzoDizzo> ario, you can do a dual boot setup
[07:25] <kalenjohnson> Ario, how do you know someone isn't writing a response right now?
[07:25] <IzzoDizzo> kalenjohnson, rocking ubuntu on my desktop tho :)
[07:25] <kalenjohnson> IzzoDizzo, You'd have to be to be hanging out in here ;)
[07:25] <Guest56745> how to change color on irssi?
[07:26] <IzzoDizzo> kalenjohnson, not without errors tho :) but i'll manage to fix them later
[07:26] <Ario> I have not done IRC since early 90's. sorry for being slow,
[07:26] <IzzoDizzo> Ario, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[07:26] <foo357> Hello, I've installed a particular software library / tool from source due to licensing issues. The thing is that I now need to rebuild and reinstall this software. It depends on some libraries (which will not be changed in any way) and some higher-level software depends on this library which I'm goign to reinstall.
[07:27] <kalenjohnson> IzzoDizzo, Guess I should feel lucky, I can install Ubuntu 12.10 without a hitch on my work laptop. nvidia 560m
[07:27] <IzzoDizzo> yeah, i'm bothered my boss for a windows based laptop :) as this is 3 years old anyway
[07:27] <Ario> So when I reboot using the memory stick, just do Duel Boot?
[07:27] <foo357> So my question is what do I need to do to ensure that this reinstallation is correctly carried out?
[07:28] <kalenjohnson> Ario, when you go to install it, you can have the option to set up your partitions, or you can have Ubuntu install it alongside Windows
[07:28] <IzzoDizzo> ario, read that page please, you'll have to resize harddisks etc, unless you are just booting a live usb and not intend on installing it to hd
[07:28] <IzzoDizzo> foo357, just do a ./configure or we the tool needs
[07:28] <IzzoDizzo> and it'll tell you :)
[07:28] <cfhowlett> Ario, read, research then choose.  sounds like you want to keep windows.  Dual boot is my recommendation.
[07:29] <foo357> IzzoDizzo: yes it's a conventional ./confidure && make && make install && (ldconfig ?)
[07:29] <IzzoDizzo> yup
[07:29] <IzzoDizzo> if it fails on dependencies it'll tell you
[07:30] <Ario> After the last security Update from Windows, my Computer is super Lagging, takes 30 Minutes to Start-up. I am wanting to tell Bill Gates what I think of Windows and leave it behind for good. Just afraid of Major Imcompatability Issues.
[07:30] <IzzoDizzo> Ario, depends on what software you use/need
[07:30] <Ario> I was just wondering if I do Duel Boot, can I use my current installed Programs to see if they are Compatable?
[07:31] <IzzoDizzo> you can't ario
[07:31] <cfhowlett> Ario, such as ???
[07:31] <kalenjohnson> I don't now what that means
[07:31] <IzzoDizzo> Ario, some might work with wine, but you'll have to install them again
[07:31] <kalenjohnson> I know Firefox, Thunderbird, and Chrome work :)
[07:31] <Ario> I have Office 2010, Firefox, Sims 2 and 3 and World of Warcraft  :)
[07:31] <IzzoDizzo> heh
[07:32] <cfhowlett> ario libreoffice is the linux equivalent to MS Office ...
[07:32] <IzzoDizzo> office 2010 works on wine, but yuo can try openoffice of libreoffice
[07:32] <cfhowlett> !wine|ario FF: yes, sims and WOW?  see wine
[07:32] <rahul01> Hi, how can i set ubuntu when i start computer, so it will not ask for password on login
[07:32] <Ario> I do have Open Office as well.  I keep forgetting I downloaded it
[07:33] <IzzoDizzo> Neutron01, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoLogin
[07:33] <Neutron01> IzzoDizzo thank you
[07:35] <Ario> One last question, once I install Ubuntu. Will I be able to Copy files from the Windows Side to the Ubunto Side for re-Installing on Ubuntu, or will I have to save them on Disk/USB first?
[07:35] <IzzoDizzo> depends if you replace windows or not
[07:35] <SuperLag> Ario: WinSCP.
[07:35] <IzzoDizzo> SuperLag, he's doing it on the same machine :)
[07:35] <IzzoDizzo> ario: have you ever tried ubuntu ?
[07:35] <cfhowlett> Ario, yes you can copy/paste from windows to ubuntu
[07:35] <SuperLag> IzzoDizzo: if he sets up a dual boot, it'll work
[07:35] <Ario> Same Machine,  1 HD a 1TB HD
[07:35] <SuperLag> oh... duh
[07:35] <SuperLag> never mind
[07:36] <SuperLag> well... no
[07:36] <SuperLag> it'll work
[07:36] <Nimble> Ario: yes, but windows applications don't run natively on ubuntu
[07:36] <SuperLag> he can mount the Windows partition
[07:36] <Nimble> you'll have to reinstall them using wine
[07:36] <Nimble> which is a compatibility layer for linux
[07:36] <Ario> I just put Ubuntu on a Memory Stick and about to Restart and Install
[07:36] <SuperLag> wine makes me whinme
[07:36] <SuperLag> bah
[07:36] <SuperLag> I can't type
[07:36] <SuperLag> wine makes me whine!!
[07:36] <IzzoDizzo> ario, might be better to try ubuntu in like virtualbox first
[07:37] <kalenjohnson> SuperLag, want some cheese with your whine?
[07:37] <SuperLag> good advice
[07:37] <one> Ario: Anything is possible, but it is a good idea to make backups
[07:37] <SuperLag> kalenjohnson: ;)
[07:37] <Ario> That is beyond my knowledge  :(
[07:37] <kalenjohnson> or he can try it off the USB/DVD
[07:37] <kalenjohnson> LiveCD! That's the word
[07:37] <SuperLag> Nvidia Quadro. Do you guys have any Quadro cards working with Ubuntu? I see very old posts about it not working, but these are from 5+ years ago
[07:38] <SuperLag> Ario: then learn, my friend
[07:38] <Ario> I think I will Test drive the 64Bit from the USB, if I like, then install Duel Boot. if I can transfer. then Overwrite Windows. Dose this sound too Crazy?
[07:38] <SuperLag> Ario: Linux is hard, first starting out... but it's so nice when you get comfortable with it
[07:38] <Nimble> that sounds like a good plan Ario
[07:38] <cfhowlett> Ario, stop
[07:38] <kalenjohnson> SuperLag, I don't have a Quadro card, but I would think they would work if the Nvidia drivers say the card is supported
[07:38] <Nimble> try it using the live USB
[07:38] <cfhowlett> Ario, if you are only testing, use Virtualbox.
[07:39] <Nimble> he has a usb, why can't he try live usb?
[07:39] <cfhowlett> Ario, then proceed as you described
[07:39] <Ario> I have no Idea what Virtual Box is  :)
[07:39] <cfhowlett> Ario, "fake" computer.  you install it to windows.  then you install ubuntu inside of that.
[07:39] <plastikspork> Ario:  only the best program EVER!
[07:39] <kalenjohnson> it really is...
[07:40] <SuperLag> virtualization is awesome
[07:40] <tekgeek> my thumb drive has 16 different versions of linux and  a bunch of antivirus programs
[07:40] <plastikspork> super awesome!
[07:40]  * SuperLag isn't a vbox fan though
[07:40] <cfhowlett> Ario, https://www.virtualbox.org/
[07:40] <Ario> I have several Virtual Drives using Daemon Tools. is that what you mean?
[07:40] <tata_> I change video-card, do I must reinstall OS  Ubuntu for better work?
[07:40] <moondoggy> Anyone know how to tell if anacron is running?
[07:40] <SuperLag> tata_: no, you don't have to reinstall
[07:40] <kalenjohnson> Ario, sort of, except instead of virtualizing a DVD, you virtualize an entire operating system
[07:40] <cfhowlett> tata_, no but you do need to install and configure the new card
[07:41] <SuperLag> cfhowlett: only if modules don't load from the kernel, right?
[07:41] <tata_> ok, what is 1. step?
[07:41] <Ario> OK.Looking into it now.  Thank You for your Help.  I think I may be a New "Regular" here  :)
[07:41] <cfhowlett> ario suggest you look at some youtube videos regarding: ubuntu virtualbox
[07:41] <cfhowlett> SuperLag, yes
[07:41] <SuperLag> cfhowlett: depeding on what card he put in the kernel may already have drivers for it
[07:41] <cfhowlett> Ario, best of luck
[07:42] <Ario> Thank you all very much
[07:42] <one> Ubuntu: How do I download source as unprivldg user? Using apt-get  source "pkg" tries to unpack it and asks for dpkg-dev.