[03:31] <Unit193> micahg, mr_pouit: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+activereviews
[07:53] <elfy> Noskcaj: hi :)
[07:53] <elfy> is your ppa good to go now?
[09:56] <ochosi> elfy: as far as i followed that discussion between brainwash and ali1234 there are some new problems with gtk3 indicators in trusty
[09:57] <ochosi> i don't know whether they have to (or will) be tackled upstream or in the xfce-plugin
[09:57] <ochosi> i hope the other two can shed some light on this (was pretty absent over the weekend)
[10:26] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:31] <knome> morning slickymaster
[10:31] <slickymaster> hi, knome
[10:33] <knome> slickymaster, you're not joining #ubuntu-doc by default?
[10:34] <slickymaster> knome, at work no. As I'm behind a proxy I can't use IRC clients, just by web browser and I have to join individually each of the channels
[10:35] <slickymaster> at home yes, it's by default
[10:35] <knome> slickymaster, aha :)
[10:35] <knome> slickymaster, if you join, i could use some of your insight
[10:35] <slickymaster> I'm there
[14:21] <elfy> ochosi: ok - thanks for letting me know :)
[14:22] <brainwash> elfy: the PPA is ready for testing, but there seems to be something wrong with the launch mechanics of indicators in trusty, dbus activation has been removed partially which might result in a race condition
[14:23] <elfy> not much point in testing something that isn't what we'll actually end up with imo
[14:23] <brainwash> you will need to set the env var INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes
[14:23] <ali1234> yeah there is: you can still test that the indicators actually work
[14:23] <brainwash> and the sound indicator icon is sometimes missing/invisible
[14:23] <ali1234> the whole thing is still actively changing btw
[14:23] <elfy> brainwash: what I am actually after is a position in which I can tell people install this PPA and you can check the gtk3 inds
[14:24] <elfy> not something that is half here, half there and not the same as yesterdya or tomorrow
[14:24] <brainwash> well, it should work in saucy just fine I guess
[14:24] <brainwash> or you mean testing in trusty?
[14:24] <elfy> once it's ready for testing - properly - then we can do something
[14:24] <elfy> brainwash: I have no interest in saucy
[14:25] <ali1234> complain at tedg in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:25] <elfy> not run it for a couple/few weeks now - I'm interested in getting testing sorted for trusty
[14:25] <elfy> ali1234: IU'm not complaining at all
[14:25] <brainwash> but still it would help to test this stuff now instead of waiting
[14:26] <elfy> in trusty yes
[14:26] <ali1234> test it in trusty -> find out it doesn't work properly -> complain to tedg until he fixes it
[14:26] <elfy> anyway - off now - anything else to say can you tell forestpiskie and I'll catch it later
[14:26] <elfy> probably shouldn't have gone to work but I did ...
[14:26] <ali1234> it's curently broken in unity too
[14:27] <brainwash> really? did not notice that
[14:27] <ali1234> same race conditions are present
[14:27] <ali1234> also broken in ubiquity
[14:28] <brainwash> how does unity even launch the indicator services? I think the autostart files state that they should not be run in the unity session
[14:28] <ali1234> upstart
[14:28] <ali1234> that's the whole point
[14:28] <ali1234> unity emits a signal, upstart catches it and runs all the indicators
[14:28] <ali1234> then they quit because there's no watchers
[14:28] <brainwash> oh
[14:29] <brainwash> should xubuntu do the same?
[14:29] <brainwash> via upstart I mean
[14:29] <ali1234> it can do, but currently that just makes them get run twice
[14:29] <ali1234> it's easy to emit the signal, i coded it
[14:29] <brainwash> right, such a mess =S
[14:29] <ali1234> but there's no point, it does not fix the problem
[14:29] <ali1234> yes
[14:30] <brainwash> any ideas how to debug the missing sound indicator icon?
[14:30] <ali1234> no
[14:30] <ali1234> other than the usual add printfs everywhere until you find something that is wrong
[14:30] <brainwash> yeah, maybe I'll do that
[15:06] <jjfrv8> ochosi, can you check out the Preferences section of the xfdesktop docs when you get a chance?
[15:08] <jjfrv8> ochosi, and can you explain how the "transparent" option is supposed to work? It doesn't have any controls and I don't understand what can be behind the desktop to show through.
[15:09] <knome> hey jjfrv8 :)
[15:09] <jjfrv8> hi, kno
[15:09] <jjfrv8> *knome
[15:09] <knome> me me
[15:09] <knome> jjfrv8, just cheking, are you subscribed to the ubuntu-doc@ mailing list?
[15:10] <knome> (i don't think you necessarily need to be, or asking you to subscribe, just want to know if you are)
[15:10] <jjfrv8> negative. I just looked over there at your discussion this morning, though.
[15:10] <knome> oki
[15:10] <knome> it seems to be quite high traffic list
[15:11] <jjfrv8> I should probably look in on it
[15:11] <knome> we've mainly worked on the community help wiki lately
[15:12] <jjfrv8> knome, I also saw that you were working with slickymaster on the 13.10 slideshow bug...
[15:12] <jjfrv8> and that you assigned bug 1213933 to the -doc team
[15:13] <jjfrv8> I'd like to try to fix it but don't know how to do the slideshows
[15:13] <knome> jjfrv8, i did. that's the most appropriate team :)
[15:13] <knome> ok, do you have time now, and i can guide you through it?
[15:13] <jjfrv8> yup
[15:13] <knome> ok, let me finish this email and i'll get back to you in 5
[15:14] <jjfrv8> ok
[15:14] <brainwash> jjfrv8: maybe the transparency of the label below the desktop icon?
[15:15] <jjfrv8> brainwash, still not sure, which label?
[15:15] <brainwash> it's 100% transparent since I'm using xfdesktop 4.11
[15:15] <brainwash> the label containing the name
[15:15] <brainwash> like "Tash"
[15:15] <brainwash> "Trash"
[15:16] <jjfrv8> I can see where they are transparent, but my understanding was that the desktop color itself was supposed to be transparent to things behind *it*
[15:17] <jjfrv8> that's kind of the way the 4.10 docs explained it
[15:17] <brainwash> does that make sense?
[15:17] <brainwash> so it's basically a setting like saturation of the wallpaper
[15:19] <knome> jjfrv8, ping me when you're done with this discussion
[15:20] <jjfrv8> brainwash,"when you use a colored background without backdrop image, allows you to see the windows that are under the transparent desktop window."
[15:20] <jjfrv8> that's the 4.10 explanation
[15:20] <brainwash> feel free to end it, I have no clue anyway :)
[15:20] <jjfrv8> thanks.
[15:20] <jjfrv8> ok, knome
[15:20] <knome> jjfrv8, ok
[15:21] <knome> so, the project that has the slideshows is https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:21] <knome> the branch itself is naturally: lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:21] <knome> 'bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu' to fetch that
[15:21] <knome> you're familiar with this, right?
[15:21] <jjfrv8> yes
[15:22] <knome> in the branch, you basically only want to touch files inside slideshows/xubuntu/slides/
[15:22] <knome> those are the 8 (9) html files that are shown for the user during installation
[15:23] <knome> in this case, we'd want to modify this file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/view/head:/slideshows/xubuntu/slides/00_welcome.html
[15:23] <jjfrv8> well it happened. I finally got bit by the lp name change :(
[15:23] <knome> hmm?
[15:23] <jjfrv8> permission denied. no such lp account jjfrv8-gmail
[15:24] <knome> ah
[15:24] <knome> that's fixable
[15:24] <knome> just a sec and i'll find the necessary info
[15:24] <knome> edit ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[15:24] <knome> basically just update launchpad_username
[15:24] <knome> then try again
[15:25] <jjfrv8> just a sec
[15:25] <knome> good day elfy :)
[15:26] <elfy> on and off - on at the moment :)
[15:26] <elfy> managed to get to work today and the meds have started working now
[15:27] <knome> good, hope they work for you
[15:28] <jjfrv8> ok, had to do authentication.conf as well. fetching now
[15:28] <knome> cool
[15:28] <jjfrv8> ls
[15:29] <jjfrv8> oops
[15:29] <knome> hehe
[15:29] <jjfrv8> got it
[15:29] <knome> ok, so look at /slideshows/xubuntu/slides
[15:30] <jjfrv8> ok
[15:30] <knome> 17:22  knome: those are the 8 (9) html files that are shown for the user during  installation
[15:31] <knome> (sorry for rushing...)
[15:31] <knome> those files are pure html
[15:31] <jjfrv8> ok, I see the welcome one that has the offending version number
[15:31] <knome> there's already a merge proposal for that
[15:31] <jjfrv8> oh yeah, we're not working on that :)
[15:32] <knome> but yes, simply edit the file
[15:32] <knome> you are usually fine editing stuff that's insde the div with the class "content"
[15:32] <knome> now, as a test, udpate the version number
[15:32] <knome> and save the file
[15:33] <jjfrv8> yup
[15:33] <knome> then open a terminal for the root for that branch
[15:33] <knome> and type: ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[15:33] <knome> (you can tabcomplete with ./te[tab] ...)
[15:34] <knome> this will basically allow you to preview the changes
[15:34] <jjfrv8> might have to do this on another machine? ./Slideshow.py: /usr/bin/python3: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[15:34] <knome> hmm.
[15:34] <knome> you'll have to install stuff.
[15:34] <knome> let me figure out what
[15:36] <knome> what xubuntu version are you running on that machine?
[15:37] <jjfrv8> P
[15:37] <knome> is the package "python3" available?
[15:37] <knome> i guess it should
[15:38] <knome> installing that should fix your problem
[15:38] <knome> because using the parameter on the script directly should avoid the need of zenity
[15:38] <jjfrv8> yes, that pkg is available
[15:40] <jjfrv8> File "./Slideshow.py", line 4, in <module> from gi.repository import GLib, Gdk, Gtk, WebKit
[15:40] <jjfrv8> ImportError: No module named gi.repository
[15:40] <knome> humpf
[15:41] <knome> try apt-get build-dep ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:41] <knome> not sure if that helps..
[15:41] <knome> but i can't check because obivously i have all the packages
[15:43] <jjfrv8> nope, same error
[15:44] <knome> bah.
[15:45] <slickymaster> knome: by the way and regarding https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213933 I didn't manage to find the slide that contains the text mentioned in the bug description
[15:45] <knome> try installing python3-gi
[15:46] <jjfrv8> k
[15:46] <knome> slickymaster, that's in 00_welcome.html, last paragraph
[15:46] <jjfrv8> woohoo
[15:47] <knome> slickymaster, at the moment, there is no way to probe if the user is on the live mode, or the direct install mode
[15:47] <jjfrv8> you da man
[15:47] <knome> jjfrv8, cool, so it works? :)
[15:47] <jjfrv8> yup
[15:47] <knome> slickymaster, you could poke lderan about that though...
[15:47] <knome> jjfrv8, ok, so that's what you have locally
[15:47] <slickymaster> knome: i'll annoy him on that
[15:48] <knome> jjfrv8, you basically just want to check things do not overlap, or look too tight (we have translations as well, and it's hard to predict how much (more) space they will use)
[15:48] <knome> jjfrv8, after you're happy with your changes, just follow the normal merge request process
[15:48] <slickymaster> knome: I could had fix that yesterday with my https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+merge/198184 proposal
[15:48] <knome> jjfrv8, and you can mark me as the reviewer.
[15:48] <jjfrv8> ok
[15:49] <slickymaster> knome, jjfrv8, do you want me to re-propose or is jjfrv8 doing it?
[15:50] <jjfrv8> up to knome, might be easier to just have one MP
[15:50] <knome> slickymaster, no need to, i'll handle that
[15:50] <slickymaster> ok
[15:53] <jjfrv8> knome, do you have time for a couple more questions on the BP?
[15:56] <knome> jjfrv8, sure
[15:57] <jjfrv8> ok, a couple of the items require a discussion with either -doc or -team. do you have a suggestion on how to convene such a thing?
[15:58] <knome> jjfrv8, either the -devel mailing list or the irc meeting
[15:59] <knome> jjfrv8, starting the discussion in the mailing list is probably a good idea, then add an item in the meeting agenda (preferably for a meeting you can attend) to discuss it further
[15:59] <knome> and ideally, leave a week or so time in between so people have time to read and reply
[15:59] <jjfrv8> alrighty
[16:00] <jjfrv8> and what about these reports we're supposed to be doing
[16:01] <knome> jjfrv8, pleia2 did them for last month, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports/13/November for that
[16:01] <knome> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports for the current report
[16:01] <knome> they are mostly gathered from the meeting minute "team updates"
[16:02] <elfy> hi jjfrv8
[16:03] <jjfrv8> hey, elfy. glad you're feeling a little better
[16:03] <elfy> thanks :)
[16:03] <jjfrv8> knome, oh, I thought each subteam was supposed to be doing reports
[16:03] <knome> jjfrv8, well yeah... during the meetings :)
[16:04] <jjfrv8> i misunderstood. happens a lot :)
[16:06] <elfy> jjfrv8 can join my special team then :)
[16:13] <knome> elfy, hah ;)
[17:08] <slickymaster> Gotta go. Be back after dinner
[21:23] <slickymaster> night all
[21:31] <slickymaster> lderan, presently, when installing, there is no way to probe if the user is on the live mode or the in direct install mode
[21:31] <slickymaster> lderan, do you think that something could be done to circumvent this?
[21:33] <lderan> its a possibility, to what end tho?
[21:34] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213933
[21:34] <slickymaster> exactly
[21:34] <slickymaster> thanks Unit193
[21:35] <lderan> ah i see
[21:35] <Unit193> *Technically* all you'd have to do is check /proc/cmdline for only-ubiquity, right?
[21:35] <Unit193> Not saying that's the best way though.
[21:36] <lderan> shall look into it :)
[21:39] <slickymaster> afk
[21:43] <Unit193> ochosi: Action required for bug 1223808
[22:34] <ali1234> oh wooooow
[22:35] <ali1234> see this bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10384
[22:35] <ali1234> it's actually this bug (in gtk) https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2013-November/msg02758.html
[22:35] <knome> ali1234, have you got a patch for it? ;)
[22:35] <ali1234> no patch needed
[22:35] <ali1234> gtk already fixed it
[22:36] <knome> heh, ok
[22:36] <knome> good then
[22:36] <ali1234> although to be honest xfwm4 could be smarter about it
[22:36] <ali1234> basically it boils down to there's one hint that says "never give me focus" and another one that says "give me exclusive focus"
[22:37] <ali1234> and gtk was stupid enough to set them both at the same time
[22:37] <knome> :P
[22:38] <knome> bah, i should take down my second monitor tomorrow
[22:38] <knome> oh oops, -devel
[22:41] <ochosi> hey ali1234
[22:44] <ali1234> hi
[22:45] <ochosi> how's it going?
[22:45] <ochosi> i read a lot of stuff in the backlog over the weekend
[22:46] <ochosi> is the indicator-stuff going to be fixed in the stack or will there be more changes in the xfce plugin?
[22:47] <ochosi> i also read something in -desktop that indicators will now optionally be launchable via upstart *and* dbus
[23:14] <ali1234> the indicators should get fixed in the stack
[23:14] <ali1234> how is not yet decided
[23:14] <ochosi> ok, well that's at least partly good news
[23:15] <ochosi> so the xfce plugin will remain as it is for now?
[23:17] <ali1234> yeah
[23:18] <ochosi> ok, that sounds nice
[23:18] <ochosi> i also read you were considering to work on the xfwm4 compositor wrt syncing
[23:20] <ali1234> yeah
[23:20] <ali1234> i'm trying to fix this focus bug at the moment though
[23:20] <ali1234> it looks like xfwm4 is actually behaving totally correctly and it really is a pure gtk bug
[23:20] <ochosi> that sounds really nice, i tried the vblank stuff with nvidia and here it's terrible
[23:20] <ali1234> heh, vsync
[23:20] <ochosi> oh, but will gtk2 bugs still get fixed/patches merged
[23:20] <ali1234> i don't know
[23:20] <ochosi> oops, yeah sync to vblank or whatever nvidia called it
[23:23] <ochosi> so wait, the same bug exists in gtk2 that was just fixed in gtk3.10?
[23:25] <ali1234> i guess so
[23:25] <ali1234> the xfce-notifyd sets accept focus false, ans xfwm4 sees it as a TAKE_FOCUS window
[23:25] <ali1234> which means the window will manage it's own focus
[23:25] <ochosi> wow, quite the long standing issue...
[23:25] <ali1234> but it doesn't
[23:25] <ochosi> wonder why no-one ever noticed it
[23:25] <ali1234> maybe xfwm4 really is at fault here
[23:26] <ali1234> because you need a really weird edge case to find it
[23:26] <ali1234> open two terminals, set one always on top, run "notify-send hello" in the other one
[23:26] <ali1234> focus jumps to the always on top terminal when the notification closes
[23:29] <ochosi> hm
[23:30] <ochosi> does sound like a bit of a corner case
[23:34] <ali1234> about vsync: i talked with the compton developer yesterday
[23:35] <ali1234> there's a lot of ways to implement vsync, and which ones are available depends on the driver you use
[23:35] <ali1234> nvidia doesn't support drm and this is the only vsync method in xfwm4
[23:35] <ochosi> hm, i see
[23:35] <ali1234> the only other method which is any good is to use opengl double buffering
[23:35] <ali1234> but opengl compositing is really slow with nvidia
[23:35] <ochosi> does compton do that?
[23:35] <ali1234> yes it does
[23:36] <ochosi> hm, yeah, it did feel a bit slow here
[23:36] <ali1234> but it will basically halve your framerate
[23:36] <ochosi> i never used it for long for that reason
[23:36] <ochosi> hmpf
[23:36] <ali1234> so i have a plan to fix it
[23:36] <ali1234> use xrender to composite the windows and then do the final draw with opengl
[23:36] <ochosi> that sounds more than lovely
[23:36] <ochosi> ah
[23:37] <ali1234> this is a bit complicated though
[23:37] <ochosi> and that works with "any" driver?
[23:37] <ali1234> no
[23:37] <ali1234> it will work with nvidia though
[23:37] <ali1234> on everything else you can use drm
[23:37] <ochosi> ah
[23:37] <ochosi> so xfwm4 or the user will have to figure out what driver is in use
[23:37] <ochosi> is nouveau any better with all of this?
[23:38] <ali1234> it supports drm
[23:38] <ali1234> but i can't use it
[23:39] <ochosi> me neither
[23:39] <ochosi> power management is totally out of control with it, it seems
[23:41] <ali1234> my card just freezes after about 30 minutes
[23:42] <ali1234> maybe it overheats
[23:42] <ali1234> i dunno, but it is unusable
[23:42] <ochosi> also have problems with suspending
[23:43] <ochosi> with nvidia it seems fine, with nouveau, not so much
[23:45] <andrzejr> ali1234, I hope RENDER <0.11 is good enough for that, or at least this feature is going to be optional.
[23:45] <ali1234> RENDER isn't involved directly
[23:45] <ali1234> andrzejr: btw, what did you find for XRenderCreateSolidFill?
[23:47] <andrzejr> just like #cairo guys suspected the culprit was RENDER <0.11, haven't filed a bug report yet, though.
[23:48] <andrzejr> I was referring to "use xrender to composite the windows and then do the final draw with opengl"
[23:48] <ali1234> yeah i know
[23:49] <ali1234> and i was refering to whether your RHEL machine has XRenderCreateSolidFill, which i just added to xfwm4...
[23:50] <andrzejr> ah, OK. I wasn't aware of it. I will check you version when I have some time.
[23:50] <ali1234> also, do you know anything about the focus mechanics inside xfwm4?
[23:50] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure this is Wrong, but i don't know how to fix it
[23:50] <andrzejr> nope, sorry
[23:52] <andrzejr> I have a long list of issues with xfwm4, mostly things like handling multiple monitors, newly added tiling, some weirdness with windows moving/shrinking when changing themes etc.
[23:52] <andrzejr> If you are going to give xfwm4 some time that would be much appreciated.
[23:54] <ochosi> +1
[23:57] <ali1234> i wish i knew what this "pending_focus" var was actually supposed to mean
[23:58] <ali1234> it's the key to all of this, because the notify window gets set in pending_focus, but never takes focus (because it is given control of whether to take it or not)
[23:58] <ali1234> but then when it closes, because it is pending, xfwm4 acts as if it actually was the focused window


[00:00] <vivid> libreoffice is practically the same, just includes changes that OO wont admit
[00:01] <BUGabundo> really ?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> I though we were already using forked OOo with SUN/Orcale logos for a long long time
[00:02] <BUGabundo> we and many other linux distros
[00:05] <penguin42> what with OOo, Gooo and libreoffice I'm thoroughly confused as to what is in what
[00:06] <penguin42> still, I think I currently give loo the best chance
[00:06] <jbicha> go-ooo doesn't exist any more, it has joined LO
[00:08] <BUGabundo> gooo that's it
[00:08] <jbicha> and I believe LO has better MS format support than OOo
[00:08] <vivid> it just has some stuff that oracle wouldnt accept upstream for some reason, same thing practically, supposed to be "more optimised" clearly oracle doesnt agree
[00:09] <vivid> better doesnt matter, if its not perfect its not good enough
[00:09] <vivid> i cant use OOo or libre for school, because teachers and colleagues open the documents with word and find many formatting errors
[00:10] <penguin42> yeh, typically it's been better at opening them rather than producing them
[00:10] <vivid> yep, but its still not an acceptable replacement for production or academic environments where anyone is using word
[00:13] <BUGabundo> nor is MSFT products
[00:13] <BUGabundo> use latex :P
[00:13] <penguin42> vivid: I'm hoping the LO guys will get a bit better at it
[00:14] <vivid> MS will just break it intentionally
[00:14] <vivid> its a losing battle
[00:15] <penguin42> yeh
[00:16] <vivid> after all, how can they make money if you dont need to buy their suite?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> more importantly
[00:18] <BUGabundo> who still needs a offline suit?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I use online tools this days
[00:19] <vivid> we use google docs for collaboration, but it still needs to be finalized with word, sad but true : /
[00:19] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:50] <ubuntu_> hi
[00:50] <ubuntu_> when I try to install I get this error: ubi-partman failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[00:51] <penguin42> so what does /var/log/syslog have to say?
[00:54] <ubuntu_> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/J56GS2zg
[00:57] <penguin42> no errors I'm familiar with in there
[00:58] <ubuntu_> penguin42: is there a workaround so I can install?
[00:59] <penguin42> ubuntu_: I don't know
[00:59] <ubuntu_> penguin42: no problem thanks any way
[01:38] <jbicha> is there anything unusual about how you're trying to install?
[01:48] <Breetai> Hi all. Installed Alpha 3, and updated, and installed nvidia-current. WHen I sign into gnome-unity, my desktop does not start up and eventually I get a compiz has crahsed error. However if I ctrl-alt-f2, login, and compiz--replace & unity &  it starts up fine. Can I reslove this so unity starts fine?
[01:50] <nit-wit> Breetai, have you rebooted to see if it happens the same?
[01:51] <nit-wit> or restart x
[01:53] <Breetai> Yes. Several times, did another apt-get update/upgrade. Every time I log into unity I have the problem.
[02:42] <Guest17880> is anybody available here
[02:46] <yofel> Guest17880: depends on your question
[02:46] <Guest17880> are you gonna upgrad?
[02:47] <bazhang> Guest17880, this is for support. try #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[02:47] <yofel> well, I'm running natty, kubuntu that is. If you want to know if natty is stable enough to use it, now
[02:47] <yofel> *no
[02:49] <Guest17880> is it true that it will no longer support gnome
[02:50] <bazhang> no
[04:06] <syn-ack> Hey guys have a question
[04:07] <bazhang> then ask
[04:08] <syn-ack> I have a bug and I don't know how to file it. Whether it's unity, chromium or what. But anyway, what happens is that when I start Chromium, it will open fullscreen, but the full screen isn't full screen; it's about, I don't know half an inch from the top of the panel. Anyone else having this issue with any apps and think they know the root cause, wanna give me pointers?
[04:09] <syn-ack> I really can't find a bug title in any of the bug queries I've been doing and it's been rather annoying since I don't want to mismark the bug
[04:10] <syn-ack> I really can't imagine that I'm the only one that this is happening to. and if you would like a screencap, I can post one for a further demonstration of what's going on
[04:10] <bazhang> yep
[04:12] <syn-ack> yep to what? you know what's going on or you would like a screencap or what?
[04:14] <syn-ack> http://tinypic.com/r/33wnrdv/7 There's the pic, btw
[04:15] <bazhang> I have the same issue in 10.10 as well
[04:15] <bazhang> chromium-browser
[04:15] <syn-ack> hrm
[04:16] <syn-ack> you using the dailies as well?
[04:16] <bazhang> nope, just installed alpha one and kept up to date
[04:19] <syn-ack> I meant with Chromium... are you using the Daily PPA or the Official out of the repo?
[04:19] <bazhang> just the one from repos
[04:19] <syn-ack> hrm
[04:19] <bazhang> both 10.10 and natty have the issue here
[04:19] <syn-ack> So it seems to be a common issue among them... Interesting
[04:19] <bazhang> as in your screencap
[04:20] <syn-ack> all your elements are shifted down, as well, no?
[06:27] <Vituz> probably not the right place to come for help regarding this.. but recently upgraded to Natty and somehow broke Vuze... I've tried replacing libswt-gtk-3.5-java already to no avail
[06:28] <RJ_F1> hey, how Do I get the beta for 11.04 ?
[06:29] <durando> does natty fix issues with marvell controllers?
[06:29] <Vitux> probably not a Natty issue.. probably related to java but considering my other java apps still work I'm not sure what else could be causing it
[06:33] <Vitux> guess either no one is here or no one knows
[06:33] <Vitux> pity
[06:37] <RJ_F1> yo, have you tried reinstalling java?
[06:38] <Vitux> yah I have
[06:38] <Vitux> I just fixed it.. gave up on the vuze in the repositories and installed manually
[06:38] <Vitux> working fine
[06:39] <Vitux> not sure if the repositories ver is mucked up but I'm gonna go with this for now.. it'll stay more up to date anyway
[06:51] <RJ_F1> you could try installing eclipse via sudo apt-get install eclipse , which should install all the new java versions, or at least the one that works.
[06:51] <RJ_F1> if that doesnt work
[06:52] <RJ_F1> Hey guys, I gotta go
[08:40] <MasterU> Just did update and got some great new features (resize launcher etc)
[08:40] <MasterU> Has anyone else had blank application dashboard?
[08:41] <MasterU> if you start to type it finds stuff but start off a blank black square
[08:42] <MasterU> Oh well I will log a bug
[09:01] <Severian> I am all updated and I can't resize the Launcher.
[11:06] <Emanon> Any plans to make the alternate install disk actually work this release?
[11:07] <bazhang> it worked for 10.10
[11:07] <Emanon> Not for me.
[11:07] <bazhang> corrupt iso then
[11:07] <Emanon> Tried it on several different discs, usb drives, at different write speeds with different burners and such.
[11:08] <Emanon> Downloaded at different times with different boxes and everything.
[11:08] <bazhang> yes, natty alternate install will work. 10.10 did as well
[11:08] <Emanon> Recently it likes stopping just after the core system finishes while it's installing the userspace stuff.
[11:09] <bazhang> yep corrupt iso
[11:09] <Emanon> Hmm weird. Haven't had one work since 10.04
[11:09] <bazhang> md5 the iso then
[11:10] <rork> does the livecd install work? or could it be hardware issues?
[11:11] <bazhang> rork, worked here
[11:11] <Emanon> Live cd works fine.
[11:12] <Emanon> Would just use that one but I use full disk encryption and whatnot.
[11:12] <bazhang> tried both live and debian-installer both worked fine
[11:12] <Emanon> And depending on the machine, sometimes raid.
[11:13] <rork> I haven't had problems with the alternate install (kubuntu) either, I did have problems with an old Debian install due to ACPI not being supported on my laptop from 2001
[11:14] <bazhang> sorry, the alternate is known as debian-installer
[11:14] <Emanon> Ahh see I haven't had hardware issues for years now. I have either so generic hardware or hardware from companies that play nice so...
[11:15] <Emanon> The only thing on this machine I foresee trouble with is the ati graphics card.
[11:16] <Emanon> Wifi works after I let it install the prop drivers and everything, which I love since when I started linux I thought I was up for slackware and that just wasn't working for me lol.
[11:17] <Emanon> All my internals are pretty standard and my peripherals are almost all logitech, which play nicely with the penguin.
[12:29] <coz_> hey all
[12:30] <penguin42> Hey coz_
[12:30] <coz_> penguin42, hey guy
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:03] <storrgie> how do I get unity to collapse when I open a program (say firefox)
[13:07] <storrgie> to me it seems like unity arbitrarily minimizes
[13:07] <storrgie> I cant figure out why it does it why it doesnt
[13:07] <storrgie> and i would prefer it minimize when i open a software full screen
[13:07] <storrgie> such as firefox
[13:43] <tzaeru> quick question; is it to be expected that at boot time the window manager isn't switched to automatically?
[14:08] <penguin42> storrgie: If you open ccsm (compiz config manager) you can select a few different options on compiz; I have it on autohide, but it doesn't quite work for me
[14:08] <storrgie> penguin42, thats annoying
[14:08] <penguin42> storrgie: Very
[14:09] <storrgie> penguin42, it was doing it a couple nights ago (i know I'm using an alpha so things are changing)
[14:09] <storrgie> hopefully it gets worked out before the release
[14:09] <storrgie> im using it on a CF-19
[14:09] <storrgie> very small screen
[14:09] <penguin42> it's certainly getting better - it's a LOT better than it was a month ago, but I think it's got a way to go
[14:33] <BluesKaj> hmm, X froze while trying to resize a window , input devices , mouse &KB totally unresponsive,...still a few glitches , not sure whether it's kde or X .
[15:08] <sveint> I haven't received any updates the last 5 days...is that normal?
[15:08] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[15:08] <sveint> I have tried to press Check in update manager and run apt-get update, but no packaged available in update manager..
[15:11] <sveint> ah, changing the server in sources helped
[15:11] <sveint> I guess the local server is badly outdated
[16:12] <coz_> hey guys
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> is there a thing for unity to show unread emails in gmail?
[17:48] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, indicator?
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: kinda but in the unity, rather than the panel
[17:48] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, I don't think there is
[17:49] <nit-wit> I use Thunderbird for capturing emails and the popups
[17:49] <nit-wit> popups for notification
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> nit-wit: yeah saw that, I guess I could keep the mails on the server so webmail works. Might make a script etc, could be fun. I've seen some code to detect how many unread mails there are
[18:20] <Fluttershy> what is the date/time manager actually called? I'm having issues getting it working
[18:26] <nlsthzn> I made the mistake to select an album in Banshee and select "add to play queue" ... no it starts playing the album after any other song I select
[18:26] <nlsthzn> even after a reboot :/
[18:27] <nlsthzn> oh crud, I just discovered the "play queue" on the left... my bad :p
[18:27] <nlsthzn> doh!
[18:34] <Emanon> Ubuntu seriously needs to have some kind of program to enforce desktop theme settings on firefox.
[18:34] <Emanon> Like the full theme, not just the frame.
[18:35] <Daekdroom> Emanon, it used to be far worse.
[18:35] <Emanon> Well it needs to be a bit better.
[18:35] <Emanon> cause these white backgrounds sear my cornea's and all the userstyles are so poorly done.
[18:36] <Emanon> same for empathy.
[18:36] <Daekdroom> But the default theme does have white background..
[18:37] <Emanon> right but when i change it to a theme with a dark background ff and empathy don't change with it
[18:37] <Emanon> they still stay halogen lamp bright
[18:38] <Daekdroom> Odd. Empathy's background changes here.
[18:38] <Emanon> Also there needs to be a more comprehensive customization system for themes. Instead of picking from frame, control, text  sections individually.
[18:38] <Emanon> The channel user list does but the actual channel frame doesnt
[18:38] <Daekdroom> You can file a bug on that.
[18:39] <Daekdroom> (the customization system)
[18:39] <Emanon> Is there an official forum just for suggestions so I don't have to bother the help channels and all you folks in them?
[18:40] <Daekdroom> There is launchpad, where you can file bugs, and the brainstorm website, where you can throw suggestions.
[18:40] <Emanon> cool
[18:40] <Daekdroom> and you can file ideas as bugs too, they'll be marked as "whislist"
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com   too
[18:47] <Daekdroom> Have I gone nuts, or are the Unity Dash and Launcher really not-themeable through GTK?
[18:47] <Daekdroom> I've discussed so much about it and people keep saying Unity is complete themeable.
[18:48] <BluesKaj> having input device freeze problems when resizing the terminal , anyone else experience this?
[18:52] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I can't see how you can do any customisation at all
[18:54] <Emanon> I've noticed in 11.04 if I don't have ambiance the maximized versions of the frame buttons don't look right.
[18:55] <Emanon> If I have ambiance they are the proper set but if I so much as change the theme for the controls or something they change when maximized and change back when windowed.
[18:55] <Emanon> which is lame.
[18:58] <Emanon> Also what's with empathy and gwibber working nicely minimized into the me menu but evolution either closing completely or just minimizing normally. That's inconsistent and annoying.
[19:03] <Emanon> I either have to have evolution open and annoying, minimized with the rest of my open programs or use alltray to send it to the notification tray where it sticks out like a sore thumb cause it's a duplicate of the me menu icon like 2 icons over. If I close it, it just ends the program rather than docking it in the me menu like gwibber and empathy. So either lame looking or no updating.
[19:04] <coz_> hey guys
[19:04] <doodoo> any idea when ATI catalyst driver will come to natty. I can't play games now as it is missing :(
[19:05] <blocky> is there a list of known issues with natty a3?
[19:06] <zniavre> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3#Known%20issues
[19:07] <Emanon> Besides light themes look like poo idk why they keep making them.
[19:07] <doodoo> any idea when ATI catalyst driver will come to natty. I can't play games now as it is missing :(
[19:07] <ChogyDan> doodoo: I've heard it is always just before release for ATI
[19:07] <ChogyDan> or not always, but that is an expected time
[19:07] <doodoo> ChogyDan, Beta or Final release?
[19:09] <ChogyDan> doodoo: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3#Graphics%20and%20Display
[19:10] <Emanon> You know, maybe more people would send in bug or crash reports f it wasn't such a pain in the ass.
[19:10] <Emanon> It's like 50 confirmation dialogues and stuff.
[19:10] <Emanon> For one crash report.
[19:11] <doodoo> ChogyDan, hmm...thanks for the link xD
[19:11] <doodoo> ChogyDan, Guess I will have to wait
[19:11] <ChogyDan> ya :(
[19:11] <Emanon> When it really could be 2 buttons and a checkbox. Yes or no, If yes strip logs and such check yes or no.
[19:12] <Emanon> Maybe a checkbox for don't bother me anymore as well.
[19:12] <yofel> Emanon: depends on the application, if apport asks questions then that's intended by the package maintainers
[19:12] <Emanon> Then the package maintainers are retarded.
[19:13] <Emanon> No one cares what the devs want. The programs are made for users.
[19:13] <yofel> no, they're not - most bugs can't be fixed without detailed instructions to reproduce, and since most users don't want to add those, they need to force you to add some information they need at least
[19:13] <Emanon> That's why we hate Apple.
[19:14] <yofel> well, apport was made for developers and testers, crash filing is disabled in final releases
[19:14] <Emanon> Thus the checkbox. Include bare minimum or as much as possible.
[19:14] <Emanon> Which is funny cause I still have crashes in final releases.
[19:14] <Emanon> Not atm, cause I'm using natty of course. But still.
[19:15] <yofel> well, that of course happens, but apport will be quiet at least
[19:15] <Emanon> Either way they need to streamline apport.
[19:16] <Emanon> Like if there are a bunch of yes or no dialogues just make it a list of check-boxes with a single confirm button instead.
[19:16] <yofel> well, feel free to file a bug about apport with ideas how to improve it. (Please don't title it "bug filing is too hard")
[19:16] <Emanon> Clicking yes over and over is just geh.
[19:17] <yofel> that's pretty much due to the design of the question API, could be improved I guess
[19:18] <Emanon> It's like really long EULA's, do they think anyone actually reads those things? Just bulletpoint it for us. 1: Don't sell my work ******bag. 2: If you pass it around include the source. 3: If you change it, note it, put it in the man page, and include the source.
[19:18] <Emanon> There I just stripped like 30 pages from the gpl
[19:19] <yofel> heh
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: log a bug with the eula then
[19:19] <Emanon> AND I asked more than some devs do now with that man page reference.
[19:20] <Emanon> Stallman is an OG and all but god that thing is wordy.
[19:21] <Emanon> Needs a cliffnotes version.
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> You can submit an expression of this where it counts to maybe get it changed, venting in here does NOTHING
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: if you care that much, log a bug
[19:22] <Emanon> ActionParsnip: I've seen you before, do you hang out in rantradio?
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: no, and I despise ranters
[19:23] <Emanon> You're thinking a different kind of rant.
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: same difference to me
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: if you dislike something and moan in an ineffective method and don't make any effort to change it then you should simply sit quiet
[19:24] <Emanon> Think less teaparty and more George Carlin
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Emanon: not sure who that is
[19:24] <Emanon> George Carlin? He is (was) a comedian.
[19:25] <Emanon> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=george+carlin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[19:25] <coz_> I thought he died
[19:25] <Emanon> Yea thus the "was"
[19:25] <coz_> :)
[19:26] <zniavre> good evening
[19:26] <Emanon> hello zniavre
[19:27] <zniavre> does nouveau (or better nvidia 173.14.xx) can works with unity (3d )
[19:27] <zniavre> ?
[19:27] <bjsnider> zniavre, nouveau might work, nvidia-173 will not until april when nvidia updates it
[19:28] <zniavre> bjsnider,  thank you, to be sharp nouveau can handle unity 3d for sure ?
[19:29] <zniavre> (in fact i want to try it )  ^^
[19:30] <Emanon> noveau handles 2d only iirc
[19:30] <Emanon> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> zniavre: what nvidia chip are you using?
[19:30] <Emanon> "Any 3D functionality that might exist is still unsupported. Do not ask for instructions to try it. But you can read GalliumHowto in case you are brave enough. "
[19:30] <Emanon> That was from the link
[19:31] <Emanon> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumHowto
[19:31] <zniavre> ActionParsnip,  old hardware > fx5500 (usinf 173.14.xx legacy drivers
[19:32] <bjsnider> zniavre, no excuse not to upgrade your graphics card to something modern
[19:32] <zniavre> :o(   no money my friend ....
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> zniavre: not a bad chip :) i'd test both to see which works best
[19:34] <bjsnider> zniavre, my card cost $50 new
[19:35] <zniavre> it looks cheap for some but quite expensive for me ...
[19:37] <zniavre> my comp is 11years old (MB GFX RAM)
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> zniavre: it'll run fie. I have a 6150LE chip which works cool
[19:38] <zniavre> go ahead and i ll see ...  thank you all answering
[19:38] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, you should upgrade too
[19:39] <bjsnider> that is old junk
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: why?
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: it does what it needs to do and isn't failing
[19:39] <zniavre> :o)
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: so why waste money when what I have is fine?
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: yeah, should've done what you are doing now earlier...
[19:47] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, i was just finishing mark shuttleworth's latest blog post. the answer to your query is "because you're falling further and further behind in terms of gpu features and opengl support."
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: but it does what it needs to do in a perfectly reasonable time
[19:48] <bjsnider> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654
[19:48] <bjsnider> eventuall it will not
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: it chats and web browses just fine. Until it starts to not do what it needs to do, or starts failing. I don't need to upgrade do I?
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: the correct answer is: no   so I won't be upgrading any time soon, like you suggested
[19:50] <bjsnider> those two things are all you use your computer for?
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: yes
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: literally
[19:51] <bjsnider> you don't need much more than a netbook i would think
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: so I dont need some quad core thing with 8Gb RAM do I
[19:51] <bjsnider> 4gb
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: doesn't even need that. My system has 1Gb RAM and it runs fine
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: as I always say, you don't need a ferrari to drive to the shops and back once a week
[19:52] <bjsnider> also nvidia's latest drivers will stop supporting the 6k series soon. the new cutoff point will likely be the 8k cards
[19:53] <bjsnider> due to the presence of a common set of hardware features
[19:53] <ActionParsnip> then i'll use nouvea and if thats poor I'll grab a video card
[19:54] <zniavre> :o)
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: i upgrade as and when, not just because
[19:55] <bjsnider> i'm not making this stuff up, this is years of experience talking. more horsepower is always better than less. most of the systems i service for people suffer from being unable to handle what they're using them for
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: theres no point me getting a 12 core server with 16Gb RAM and 2 4Gb video cards, its a complete waste
[19:56] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: Helps keep the room warm in winter
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: yeah pretty much
[19:58] <Daekdroom> Is there something that I can use to keep my room cooler? :p
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: a fan or air conditioning or get a ghost in ;)
[19:58] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Just run the machine backwards
[19:58] <bjsnider> that's what everybody thinks when they buy a computer: here's what it doesn't need to be able to do. then, a year later, they think: why can't it do all of these things i want it to?
[19:59] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, over time, all I do is lower expectations from my machine.
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: my needs havent changed in more than 10 years
[19:59] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, then you are unique in the annals of computer usage. i salute you
[20:00] <bjsnider> o brave new world that has such creatures in it
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: thats why your statement is hilarious to me. Until flash starts being bad on it, i'll stick where I am
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: I work in IT and so in my time off I don't do any big gaming or anything like that. I do most of my stuff out and about on my Android phone and I like to not be on my computer if I can
[20:02] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, if you came with me to see some of the situations i find, you might change your views, at least about other people.
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: well thats them. I'm not going to change my system because someone else is having issues. That makes no sense
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: I understand people upgrade as their needs change, thats obvious
[20:03] <bjsnider> 99% of the people i run into are trying to shoehorn new ideas (like games and movies) into old junk. it doesn't work.
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: iknow,i've seen it a lot
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: even seen people trying to load old versions of apps onto Vista when they worked on XP and it made vista crash, same sort of thing
[20:05] <Daekdroom> I think bjsnider did it wrong when he didn't consider that ActionParsnip knows exactly what he wants to do.
[20:05] <Daekdroom> Unlike someone who doesn't have so much contact with computers
[20:05] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[20:05] <bjsnider> or people running vista on xp hardware (thanks to the crook vendors)
[20:05] <Daekdroom> I used to run XP on Me hardware for a long time.
[20:05] <Daekdroom> Slowness > Crashness
[20:06] <bjsnider> it wasn't such a huge difference
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: its software, it was some adobe nonesense, caused the system to crash so he had to buy the newer version which was compatible
[20:08] <saulus> hey, I want to create a NAT gateway. I followed this howto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=713874 but it does not work. Maybe theres something new on 11.04. Can you help me?
[20:11] <bjsnider> this state of war between canonical and gnome sucks.
[20:15] <Daekdroom> The only thing I care about is that, if I want to move to Gnome Shell, I'll be able to get indicator support there somehow. No matter who coded it :P
[20:17] <robin0800> Daekdroom, Unity 2d has indicator support though I don't think its meant to
[20:18] <Daekdroom> robin0800, why wouldn't it be meant to?
[20:18] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, i am asking on your behalf and will report the answer
[20:18] <Daekdroom> robin0800, I'm talking about indicators, not systray
[20:19] <robin0800> Daekdroom, ok well it's got both at the moment
[20:33] <zzillezz> hmm why do my updates stall at 25% (kubuntu 11.04 alpha3)
[20:33] <zzillezz> all packages were downloaded, some of them are now 'prepared'
[20:34] <zzillezz> but it does nothing any more now
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> zzillezz: try:  sudo apt-get clean    then retry
[20:35] <zzillezz> ActionParsnip: is it better to update with apt then with the Software Updates program ?
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> zzillezz: both are equally good
[20:35] <arand> zzillezz: but apt-get might provide more information if something goes awry, and aptitude even more so.
[20:36] <zzillezz> hmm kpackagekit doesn't want to close
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> zzillezz: I use this script to automatically update every day: http://paste.ubuntu.com/579459/
[20:36] <zzillezz> i'll have a look thanks ActionParsnip
[20:37] <zzillezz> any way to close down kpackagekit ?
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> zzillezz: it takes an arg too, if you run:     fullupgrade s   it will upgrade  then shutdown after, r makes it reboot :)
[20:43] <coz_> hey guys
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> coz_: hi, are you using natty?
[20:47] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  on my other system yes
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> coz_: just saw you say hi in both :)
[20:48] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  oh I found    /amsg  for xcaht works instead of typing in everychannel I have :)
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> nice :)
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> doesn't fly in pidgin
[20:49] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  oo  I didnt know that
[20:51] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  I am going to have to try pidgin again to see if any of the commands work with it
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> sounds fun
[21:07] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, gnome-shell will have its own gnome indicators in the ppa, and not the ubuntu code, seems to be the answer
[21:08] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, will do
[21:08] <zzillezz> alright, that didn't go as planned ...
[21:11] <zzillezz> updating through terminal now
[21:17] <magn3ts> borders are back?!
[21:17] <magn3ts> booo
[21:20] <Daekdroom> magn3ts, it caused issues with metacity
[21:20] <Daekdroom> and Mark said they were bland
[21:30] <zzillezz> anyone knows what this message means :
[21:30] <zzillezz> (gtk-update-icon-cache:7433): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[21:30] <magn3ts> That's sad, really liked them.
[21:30] <magn3ts> Also, just hard fast crashed Virtual Box... open the workspace expose view adn then try to drag a unity dock icon.
[21:30] <magn3ts> "boom!"
[21:31] <Daekdroom> magn3ts, in here, all I have to do is try to drag a unity launcher and it might crash
[21:31] <Daekdroom> Not everytime, but possible and likely
[21:38] <guntbert> where is the "visual effects" tab (used to be found in system/preferences/appearance)?
[22:07] <Daekdroom> guntbert, no longer exists.
[22:07] <Daekdroom> and doesn't have a replacement either.
[22:07] <penguin42> can't see a gui for editing the workspace layout either
[22:08] <Daekdroom> I recall editing it, but I can't remember where
[22:08] <guntbert> Daekdroom: thx
[22:09] <Daekdroom> penguin42, bleh. Found it under ccsm ;)
[22:10] <Daekdroom> It's under the last tab of "General Options" or something like that
[22:14] <guntbert> I guess I'm being especially braindead today: in launchpad, reporting a bug, I am asked "do any of the following bugs describe the bug ....?" - what do I do if that is the case? (I expected to click on the bug description...)
[22:15] <Daekdroom> guntbert, but that is exactly what you're meant to do.
[22:15] <Daekdroom> If it's not clickable, I think the page hasn't loaded fully.
[22:16] <guntbert> Daekdroom: sorry, havin it open in a VM I saw it unfold, but missed the button "yes" at the bottom - all found now :-)
[22:32] <zniavre> re good evening
[22:33] <zniavre> im now on natty with nouveau driver + mesa dri experimental unity seems to does not work, i did something wrong?
[22:37] <guntbert> a heads up: the menu editor from "other" looks quite different (and is less useful) than the one from the right-click menu un the ubuntu icon
[23:00] <tohuw> how do I restart window decorations? They disappeared on me, but compiz is still running...
[23:00] <jbicha> tohuw: I'd do compiz --replace anyway
[23:01] <tohuw> jbicha: thanks. invoking unity-window-decorator seemed to work also; I think it just stopped running
[23:27] <hv> is it known that every emacs window (upstream, and probably the one in the repos) causes indicator-applet-appmenu to leak about a few megabytes?
[23:28]  * hv goes to cross-post in #ubuntu-devel ...
[23:28] <penguin42> youch :-)
[23:32]  * hv should consider trying to fix it, as no one answered there ...
[23:33] <Daekdroom> hv, indicator-applet-appmenu is leaking with everything
[23:33] <Daekdroom> hv, so is unity-panel-service
[23:34] <hv> Daekdroom: is there a clear path for the applications to "modernize", or indicator-applet-appmenu has to be backward-compatible with them?
[23:35] <Daekdroom> hv, I'm not following.
[23:35] <hv> I mean, who has to "plug" the leak?
[23:35] <Daekdroom> It's definitely appmenu's fault
[23:36] <Daekdroom> It was designed to work with like almost all GTK and QT apps, and can be adapted to work with FF, Thunderbird, LibreOffice etc.
[23:36] <hv> I see.
[23:36] <hv> thanks.
[23:37] <penguin42> hv: It's two parts; one is the daemon that does the displaying and the other is a modification to the widget library to pass menus to it
[23:37] <Daekdroom> appmenu and libdbusmenu, respectively, am I right, penguin42 ?
[23:37] <penguin42> I think so
[23:37] <penguin42> I wish they'd get sorted out - running on KDE gnome apps are spewing errors
[23:38] <Daekdroom> The apps themselves or appmenu?
[23:39] <hv> is there a clear roadmap or wiki on the status of appmenu support for individual apps?


[00:18] <IdleOne> eyes open
[00:19] <valorie> thanks
[00:19] <valorie> he might have scared himself
[11:56] <erop> hi
[11:56] <erop> i can't access to ubuntu channel normal ?
[11:57] <k1l_> yes, dont use that proxy
[12:01] <erop> hello anyone htere ?
[12:01] <erop> why you banned every users on rev.poneytelecom.eu ?
[12:02] <k1l_> did you see my answer?
[12:02] <erop> it isn't a proxy it is my DSP connection
[12:04] <erop> can you unlock ?
[12:06] <erop> hello
[12:07] <erop> what is the reason of ban ?
[12:07] <k1l_> massive abuse from users using that hoser
[12:08] <erop> that's not a proxy
[12:08] <erop> show me the logs
[12:08] <erop> what you mean by massive abuse of users ?
[12:09] <k1l_> users using that hoster to evade other bans to do abusive behaviour like insulting and harrassing in pms and such.
[12:11] <erop> why you don't ban the ppl doing that ?
[12:12] <erop> why you generize that one with the baning domain name entirely ?
[12:15] <erop> may be to simply the administrating task you put a ban for all
[12:16] <erop> but it seems it is not the good way to do it
[12:16] <k1l_> erop: the problem is the users beeing able the get wide range of ips from that hoster. so its not an easy task.
[12:18] <erop> there is always thousand and millions ways to bypass that ban, but for me it is not the good way to ban like this
[12:19] <k1l_> this ban is to limit abusive users another chance to bypass bans.
[12:23] <erop> well to be simple, this is my 62-210-193-154.rev.poneytelecom.eu , just authorise my ip, i m not part of the users doing 	massive abuse using that hoser
[12:24] <erop> i can spend all of my energy for a silly ban like this
[12:25] <k1l_> well, i can set an exception. but be sure to read the guidelines because users of that ip are on second chance already
[12:28] <k1l_> exemption set. but be sure to follow the guidelines and the Code of Conduct. thanks
[12:29] <erop> what guidelines i have choose ?
[12:29] <k1l_> !guidelines
[12:30] <erop> that's perfect
[12:30] <erop> i choos that way :)
[21:30] <Pici> at least it wasn't "thrusty"
[21:39]  * elky shudders at the thought


[08:06] <abogani2> Anyone know where is persia?
[08:41] <astraljava> abogani2: No idea, sorry.
[11:59] <ScottL> abogani2, astraljava i believe he is on vacation until 20 june
[12:02]  * ScottL is leaving for work, i'll be on in thirty minutes as scott-work
[12:04] <falktx> abogani2: u there?
[12:05] <abogani2> falktx: yes
[12:05] <falktx> abogani2: i have a special request
[12:06] <falktx> abogani2: can you package kernel 2.6.34-lowlatency?
[12:06] <falktx> abogani2: please?
[12:06] <abogani2> falktx: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[12:07] <abogani2> falktx: Right now I'm working on 2.6.35-lowlatency.
[12:07] <falktx> oh, nice
[12:07] <abogani2> falktx: Lucid or Maverick?
[12:07] <falktx> i though 35 was going to have realtime ?
[12:07] <falktx> abogani2: Lucid
[12:08] <abogani2> falktx: So my PPA is right. I suggest you to wait 2.6.35.
[12:08] <abogani2> falktx: No abosulately.
[12:08] <abogani2> The last "no" is referred to realtime.
[12:08] <falktx> abogani2:  it's just that pulse doesn't work in realtime kernels properly
[12:09] <falktx> abogani2: i have to use v32
[12:09] <falktx> abogani2: which has some intel graph issues
[12:09] <falktx> abogani2: a lowlatency v33 or v34 will be awesome
[12:10] <abogani2> falktx: If you let me give a suggestion...
[12:10] <falktx> ok
[12:10] <abogani2> falktx: I would avoid linux-rt as possibile.
[12:10] <falktx> whh?
[12:10] <falktx> why?
[12:11] <abogani2> falktx: Because it can create more problems than which it resolve.
[12:11] <falktx> abogani2: hmm
[12:11] <abogani2> When version aren't aligned it could create an infinite series of problems.
[12:11] <falktx> abogani2: i only use your kernels
[12:12] <abogani2> falktx: For examples: KMS, X.org, File system etc etc.
[12:12] <abogani2> falktx: My time is over.
[12:12] <falktx> ok
[12:12] <falktx> abogani2: let me know when 35 is ready
[12:13] <abogani2> falktx: Lowlatency is made to resolve all these problems and offer good low latencies.
[12:13] <abogani2> anyway
[12:13] <falktx> i understand
[12:13] <falktx> but the v32 kernel doesnt work right for me
[12:14] <falktx> abogani2: that's why i ask for 33/34/35 lowlatency
[12:15] <abogani2> falktx: You could install the maverick 2.6.35-lowlatency on Lucid.
[12:15] <falktx> isn't 35 unstable right now?
[12:16] <falktx> phoronix reported some big performance issues some time ago
[12:17] <falktx> they are fixed by now, but we never know when it could happen again
[12:17] <falktx> that's why i stick with final releases only
[12:18] <falktx> he, the 2.6.35-rc2 didn't build
[12:18] <falktx> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.35-rc2-maverick/BUILD.LOG
[12:19] <abogani2> falktx: Seems to me the best approach.
[12:19] <falktx> abogani2: should i use this one:
[12:19] <abogani2> falktx: That is a ubuntu problem not upstream problem.
[12:19] <falktx> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-lucid/
[12:19] <falktx> ?
[12:20] <abogani2> falktx: Try 34-lowlatency first but not enable PPA simply install the appropriate deb   for your machine with GDebi
[12:20] <falktx> abogani2: where is 34-lowlatency?
[12:21] <abogani2> falktx: amd64 or i386?
[12:22] <falktx> amd64
[12:23] <abogani2> falktx: Sorry I wrong http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-lucid/ seems more appropriate.
[12:24] <falktx> abogani2: ok, thanks
[12:25] <abogani2> falktx: you are welcome
[12:25] <falktx> btw, abogani2, many thanks for your work on the kernels!
[13:13] <scott-work> bitmeter is no longer showing up on the "uninstallable binaries" email from coling watons :)
[13:13] <scott-work> thanks quadrispro!
[13:40] <quadrispro> falktx, we need to patch zyn's sources to drop addsynth_voice.h
[14:31] <falktx> quadrispro: sorry i was busy
[14:31] <falktx> quadrispro: shouldn't we package the git version instead?
[14:31] <quadrispro> falktx, http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/zyn.git
[14:31] <falktx> quadrispro: or we're going to use v1 + patch?
[14:31] <quadrispro> already in progress :)
[14:33] <falktx> quadrispro: i never used git before
[14:33] <falktx> quadrispro: i'm not sure how this works :(
[14:34] <quadrispro> falktx, I'm working on the git release, so no patch is needed
[14:34] <falktx> ok, nice
[14:34] <falktx> why did you remove the build options?
[14:42] <quadrispro> falktx, no longer needed
[14:44] <quadrispro> falktx, please take a look http://maps.remixtj.net/unstable/pool/zyn_1+git.20100609-1/
[14:45] <falktx> quadrispro: nice
[14:45] <falktx> quadrispro: so it's on debian now
[14:50] <quadrispro> falktx, does it work fine?
[14:51] <falktx> i run 64bit
[14:51] <falktx> cannot test it
[14:52] <quadrispro> falktx, we could upload it to a PPA
[14:52] <falktx> yep
[14:52] <falktx> i can do that
[14:53] <quadrispro> falktx, ok, now I adjust some debian/copyright issues, the package will be ready in 10 minutes
[14:53] <falktx> i'll upload it now
[14:55] <falktx> done
[14:56] <falktx> if it's just the copyright u adjusted, then the build process will be the same
[14:56] <falktx> btw, how i do assign to be part of the debian-multimedia team?
[14:57] <falktx> i cant login in https://alioth.debian.org/account/login.php
[14:57] <falktx> "Your account does not exist."
 Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account. If you need this email resent, please click below and a confirmation email will be sent to the email address you provided in registration. [Resend Confirmation Email] "
[15:04] <falktx> clicking to get a new activating, and trying to login , i get:
[15:04] <falktx> "Credentials you entered do not correspond to valid account."
[15:05] <falktx> i'll try this later
[15:06] <falktx> quadrispro: https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1168153/+listing-archive-extra
[15:09] <falktx> quadrispro: just compiled the package here
[15:09] <falktx> quadrispro: works fine!
[15:09] <falktx> quadrispro: good job
[15:10] <quadrispro> yyy-aaah! :)
[15:10] <quadrispro> just uploaded to debian
[15:13] <scott-work> quadrispro: the bitmeter fix apparently is in ubuntu now and built correctly
[15:13] <quadrispro> scott-work, got it, thanks!
[15:13] <scott-work> quadrispro: i am qualifying this from an email from colin watson that did not include bitmeter as an uninstallable binary :)
[15:13] <scott-work> thanks again
[15:14] <quadrispro> you're welcome :)
[15:14] <quadrispro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion needs to be updated
[15:15] <scott-work> hopefully i will adjust the seeds soon that that all the lv2 stuff will be included on the next iso build
[15:16] <scott-work> and adjust the menus to include some of them as well :)
[15:16] <scott-work> it feels good when Stuff Gets Done
[15:16] <scott-work> yes i used capitals for that
[15:16] <quadrispro> :)
[15:17] <quadrispro> jackmeter and jkmeter have been accepted into Debian too
[15:21] <scott-work> i've been thinking (and this reinforces it) that perhaps we need a matrix just for new applications going into Debian that we might want in Ubuntu Studio
[15:21] <scott-work> this way it's documented that it's available but also to make sure we get them into the seeds and set up in the menu
[15:22] <scott-work> quadrispro: have you heard of quitarix ?  several ubuntu studio users are asking for it to be included
[15:22] <falktx> there are a lot of new lv2 plugins that are not in that list
[15:22] <scott-work> please add them falktx if you feel we need them
[15:23] <scott-work> quadrispro: sorry, that was guitarix...not quitarix
[15:23] <quadrispro> scott-work, you talk about this? http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[15:24] <quadrispro> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543923
[15:25] <falktx> i have guitarix on my ppa
[15:26] <falktx> i can easily push it to revu
[15:26] <falktx> but i can't login to the debian multimedia now... some crazy login error
[15:26] <scott-work> quadrispro: yes, i do believe that is it :)   from what i hear it is really nice, certainly better looking than rakarrack
[15:27] <irvie> are there any good sites dedicated to FOSS DAWs?
[15:27] <irvie> like both hardware/software?
[15:27] <irvie> (besides you guys of course ;] )
[15:28] <scott-work> you can check out the opensourcemusicians website and IRC channel irvie
[15:28] <scott-work> lots of people on the irc channel, many of them very, very knowledgeable
[15:29] <scott-work> abogani2: do you know about -rt kernel and nvidia graphics cards on 64 bit machines?  are there any problems with them?
[15:31] <abogani2> scott-work:  I don't know nothing _but_ I think that these driver are updated lately. Unfortunately I don't have anymore my 64 bit system so I can't check.
[15:32] <abogani2> scott-work: If someone have problems please request him to fill a bug.
[15:33] <quadrispro> ok, let's start working on guitarix
[15:34] <quadrispro> falktx, where is your guitarix pkg?
[15:34] <falktx> lucid ppa
[15:35] <falktx> the guitarix already has a debian folder on the source
[15:35] <falktx> it just needs to be tweaked
[15:36] <quadrispro> falktx, sources under src/faust-cc/* miss license information
[15:38] <falktx> just added more lv2 plugins to the list
[15:38] <falktx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion , at the end
[15:43] <falktx> quadrispro: why is this so important?
[15:44] <falktx> quadrispro: the license i mean
[15:45] <falktx> if a project declares that it's code is GPLv2, then the files without header, shouldn't they be considered gplv2 too?
[15:46] <scott-work> abogani2: thanks for the information, i will pass it on :)
[15:46] <scott-work> and i'll tell him to file a bug if he runs into problems
[15:56] <irvie> scott-work: thx
[15:56] <quadrispro> falktx, what do you think about this? http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/composite/
[15:57] <quadrispro> it would be great getting it in time for maverick
[15:58] <falktx> i don't think it's worth it
[15:59] <falktx> brb
[15:59] <quadrispro> why?
[16:00] <quadrispro> perhaps it needs some other improvements but upstream seems to be really active
[16:10] <falktx> back
[16:11] <quadrispro> I have to leave, see you later!


[00:00] <cjwatson> gammax90: No.  What are you having problems with?
[00:01] <gammax90> Yes, i'm not able to connect :(
[00:02] <cjwatson> To any particular URL?  Does the root (https://launchpad.net/) work?
[00:02] <cjohnston> It works for me
[00:03] <cjwatson> Also http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ is handy for this kind of question
[00:04] <cjwatson> Or indeed http://isup.me/ is the same thing nowadays and maybe easier to remember
[00:07] <gammax90> Thanks a lot. Unfortunatly I don't know why i'm not able to see LP, all the other websites (google, github, wikipedia) works fine
[00:08] <gammax90> Maybe a DNS issue?
[00:10] <wgrant> gammax90: Can you ping launchpad.net?
[00:11] <gammax90> No. The name resolvs to (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[00:11] <wgrant> What does a traceroute show?
[00:16] <gammax90>  1  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  6.994 ms  6.963 ms  6.928 ms  2  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  10.461 ms  10.440 ms  10.414 ms  3  * * *  4  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  31.290 ms  31.273 ms  36.158 ms  5  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  39.526 ms  39.508 ms  42.155 ms  6  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  51.607 ms  38.943 ms  38.907 ms  7  bundle-ether15.milano50.mil.seabone.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  38.897 ms  33.895 ms  37.178 ms  8
[00:16] <gammax90>  8  ge3-0.milano14.mil.seabone.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)  48.643 ms  48.616 ms  48.589 ms  9  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  40.364 ms  45.460 ms  45.450 ms 10  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  45.424 ms  48.319 ms  51.562 ms 11  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  60.617 ms  63.903 ms  40.337 ms 12  * * * 13  * * * 14  * * * 15  * * * 16  * * * 17  * * * 18  * * * 19  * * * 20  * * * 21  * * * 22  * * * 23  * * * 24  * * * 25  * * * 26  *
[00:18] <wgrant> gammax90: Looks like some of your international routing is broken.
[00:19] <gammax90> ok fine thanks, i'll try to ask to some other italians :)
[00:19] <wgrant> launchpad.net is in London, and that traceroute stops in Germany.
[00:23] <wgrant> Interesting.
[00:24] <wgrant> Sprint's Hamburg site can see it, but from their Milan site the trace stops in Hamburg.
[00:24] <wgrant> So I think Sprint is a bit broken.
[11:10] <hyper_ch> hi there, why can't I browse the PPA file directories anymore like http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[11:16] <wgrant> hyper_ch: That's just temporary while we're making some configuration changes.
[11:17] <hyper_ch> wgrant: ah ok :) because for my generator I usually just browse all the ppas to see if they're already updated for a new version
[11:30] <wgrant> hyper_ch: The ability to browse the top two levels (eg. http://ppa.launchpad.net/ and https://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa) will not be returning, but everything within a single PPA will.
[11:30] <hyper_ch> wgrant: I don't need top level
[11:31] <hyper_ch> for my generator I have like 60 PPAs and it's just easy when I click on the bookmarks that leads me to the .../dists/ folder where I can directly see if a new uubntu version is supported
[11:31] <shadeslayer> hyper_ch: you could just query the API
[11:31] <hyper_ch> shadeslayer: or I just visit http://ppa.launchpad.net/claws-mail/ppa/ubuntu/dist/
[11:32] <hyper_ch> http://ppa.launchpad.net/claws-mail/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[11:32] <shadeslayer> but that's what the API is for right ? :D
[11:32] <hyper_ch> shadeslayer: apis are way too complex for my simple mind
[11:33] <hyper_ch> the bookmarks also serve another purpose
[11:33] <hyper_ch> I can then just move them to the next ubuntu release folder when it's done for version xx
[11:33] <shadeslayer> ok, yeah, Launchpad's API is slightly confusing
[11:35] <hyper_ch> shadeslayer: repogen.simplylinux.ch --> many repos to check and so I have all repos that relate to a specific version in a folder
[11:35] <hyper_ch> I just let it open all bookmarks and I can easily check if there's already a new version available
[11:35] <shadeslayer> mhm
[11:35] <hyper_ch> well, a repo available for the ubuntu version
[11:35] <hyper_ch> of course, with an API, I could automate such lookups ;)
[11:35] <hyper_ch> and db entries and stuff
[11:40] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:40] <shadeslayer> automation ftw
[11:44] <hyper_ch> and I should work on the wui
[11:52] <pmcgowan> Can someone check on a rougue LP user for me, "xreuze" is spamming our bugs
[11:53] <hyper_ch> shadeslayer: so, with the launchpad api I could easily check if PPA xxx has already made a release for Utopic?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> hyper_ch: yep
[11:54] <hyper_ch> hmmm.... maybe I should automate that ;)
[11:54] <shadeslayer> you can query all the series for which published packages exist
[11:55] <shadeslayer> and then just check if that list has your distroseries in it
[11:55] <hyper_ch> thx... I guess I have some work cut out for me on the weekend
[11:56] <wgrant> pmcgowan: I've removed the four offending comments, but they seem to have stopped being so odd.
[11:56] <wgrant> Let us know if they continue.
[11:57] <pmcgowan> wgrant, thanks


[02:45] <canthus13> So.. What's up with UEFI and installing?
[02:46] <Cheri703> some people apparently do it fine, some people have major issues. based on what I keep seeing in #xubuntu :)
[02:46] <canthus13> It's pissing me off. I keep dropping to an initramfs prompt while it claims it can't find a live filesystem. BIOS finds the drives fine.
[02:47] <Cheri703> somethingsomething boot-repair?
[02:47] <Cheri703> (/me can't remember quite what steps they say to go through)
[02:47] <canthus13> Ehh.. it won't even let me type at that point. :/
[02:50] <Cheri703> this was the link I was hunting for: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI


[00:10] <kdub> ububuntu
[00:12] <seidos> obomobo
[01:21] <pleia2> helizabeth@r2d2:~$ host -t aaaa ubuntu-california.org
[01:21] <pleia2> ubuntu-california.org has IPv6 address 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe96:f4c4
[01:21] <pleia2> \o.
[01:29]  * pleia2 sees some ipv6 addresses she doesn't recognize in the apache logs \o/
[17:17]  * iheartubuntu thinks dave better attend the "burnout" session. he checkmarked "all of the above" on the pdf
[17:19] <seidos> wuzzat dave?  asks HAL-9000
[17:21] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: thanks for updating twitter
[17:21] <pleia2> :)
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> np!
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> i never did ask, should i do the posts for the IRC meetings too?
[17:22] <pleia2> I think DarkwingDuck and I have those covered
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> seidos: computing... computing...
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> ok coolness
[17:24] <akk> If "ping6 -c 5 ubuntu-california.org" says "network unreachable", that means my router or my ISP isn't IPv6 ready?
[17:25] <pleia2> yeah
[17:25] <sn9> crap, my he.net stuff won't be ready in time for ipv6 day
[17:26] <pleia2> http://test-ipv6.com/ will tell you if you have ipv6 connectivity
[17:26] <sn9> oh well, at least i'm doing stuff
[17:26] <pleia2> sn9: ipv6 day started 16.5 hours ago :)
[17:26] <sn9> right
[17:26] <pleia2> I have an he.net tunnel running on my firewall/2nd desktop, so only that machine on my network has ipv6
[17:27] <akk> Actually given that we got our DSL cablemodem something like 8 years ago, I guess I shouldn't be surprised if IPv6 doesn't work.
[17:28] <pleia2> most ISPs in the US haven't rolled it out, and there are only a handful of consumer routers that support it
[17:28] <sn9> i am trying to migrate dns hosting to he.net in the same step
[17:28] <pleia2> you would have gotten a new modem within the past year or so if your isp was rolling it out
[17:28] <pleia2> sn9: ah :)
[17:28] <sn9> editdns and everydns are going away
[17:29] <sn9> although i might still go back to zoneedit
[17:29] <pleia2> I use linode's dns manager for most everything now
[17:29] <pleia2> my sister uses zoneedit, she seems to like them
[17:29] <sn9> but what i see of he.net's dns manager so far i mostly like
[17:30] <sn9> i switched away from zoneedit because they wouldn't support SRV records for google apps
[17:30] <pleia2> ah
[17:30] <sn9> they are starting to support them now
[17:31] <pleia2> I know a lot of the free dns providers weren't offering aaaa records for a while
[17:32] <iheartubuntu> so do you go into your network settings in ubuntu and also change the ipv6 settings?
[17:32] <iheartubuntu> i think google offered its own settings, didnt they? i tried something out months ago and it was blocking websites
[17:32] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: for a tunnel?
[17:33] <iheartubuntu> im not that knowledgeable on the topic... but i was adding in a ipv4 or ipv6 address
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> OMG addressed it like late last year
[17:34] <pleia2> to use ipv6 your isp needs to support it, comcast has done a few trials around the country and a couple small ISPs have deployed it
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> it must have been ipv4 then
[17:34] <pleia2> so you'll get a new modem and you'll need to replace your router at home
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> so i was bypassing my ISP and using googles?
[17:34] <akk> Weird that big ISPs still aren't getting to it.
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> what is ipv6 supposed to do?
[17:35] <pleia2> google doesn't offer tunnels, you think for a while you could sign up to be part of their trial where they'd always try to serve you their ipv6 page first, but w/o ipv6 you'd just fall back to ipv6
[17:36] <pleia2> akk: it's complicated :( comcast has been pouring tons of money into it and they are actually transit providers for IPv6 in the midwest, but it's super expensive to deploy to customers because most sites online still don't support ipv6 so they need to offer both AND have their customers have ipv6 enabled routers
[17:37] <pleia2> most big ISPs are just going to send their customers over a NAT to stretch out their pool of ipv4 addresses, which will be a nightmware too (particularly for support), but doesn't require replacing all hardware
[17:37] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the world ran out of ipv4 addresses earlier this year, ipv6 is a much much larger addressspace, so we shouldn't run out :)
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> ahh ok
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> are there any benefits like speed
[17:38] <pleia2> not speed
[17:39] <pleia2> it was actually designed for the modern internet though (ipv6 was not) so it has things like better header data, is more easily extendable and in theory better security
[17:40] <pleia2> a google search for "advantages of ipv6" can find articles that explain these things more thoroughly than I can though :)
[17:42] <nhaines> pleia2: you keep saying ipv6 when I think you mean ipv4.
[17:42] <pleia2> err, yeah, (ipv4 was not)
[17:43] <nhaines> IPv6 is more secure because no one understands the new addressing scheme so it's harder to hack you.
[17:43] <akk> heh
[17:43] <pleia2> pratically we were running out of space anyway so while we're changing it it all we might as well add new shiny bits to it as well to make the internet better
[17:43] <pleia2> haha
[17:44] <nhaines> pleia2: is there an evil bit in IPv6?
[17:44] <pleia2> there is always an evil bit
[17:44] <pleia2> I mean, of course not, ipv6 is the best thing ever and all good and ponies :)
[17:45] <nhaines> RFC 3514 came out at just the right time during my networking classes to enjoy and share with the class.  :)
[17:45] <pleia2> hehe
[17:45] <pleia2> we had a talk at plug once about all the april fools rfcs
[17:45] <pleia2> good times
[17:49] <seidos> connected vs unconnected might be considered a "speed" improvement
[17:50] <nhaines> I also loved IP over avian carrier, but my CCNA teacher scoffed when, a couple years later, the article came out that some students had actually implemented it and sent ICMP ECHO packets.
[17:51] <nhaines> IP via avian carrier is also affected by collisions and congestion, but it also implements self-correcting routing and the roundtrip ping time was something like 3.5 hours.  :)
[17:51] <pleia2> hehe
[17:55] <crashsystems> don't want to play WOW over that connection
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> no?
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> computer joke: A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from?
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!
[17:57] <akk> As they say, IPvAvian can have fairly good bandwidth but the latency is terrible.
[18:00] <nhaines> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of backup tapes speeding down the highway.
[18:08] <nhaines> akk: IPvAvian is also affected by worms.
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> seidos anyone else here who might attend the Pasadena Ubuntu Hour this thurs... aftwards is the monthly SGVLUG meeting at Cal Tech which will have a presentation from the Cal Tech Solar Decathlon discussing solar energy and solar powered net-zero house.
[19:27] <seidos> iheartubuntu: i don't think so
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> i gonna be there for the UH but not the LUG
[19:36] <seidos> i'd like to be there, but getting there is a problem for me right now
[19:37] <seidos> maybe i should just watch real genius
[19:37] <seidos> why would someone need a laser with that kind of power that only lasts for 14 seconds anyway?
[19:37] <seidos> :P
[23:12] <dragon> I just heard again from my army friend. The Commanding Officer of his chalk has made Linux mandatory for all work computers.
[23:13] <kdub> whats a chalk
[23:13] <dragon> It's a unit of the size of about a company.
[23:14] <dragon> It is a company, basically, of about 60-80.
[23:18] <kdub> thats pretty cool. the military has been saying they're switching over for some time now
[23:19] <kdub> jono: looking forward to that presentation tomorrow
[23:20]  * kdub feels oss burnout :(
[23:20]  * pleia2 hugs kdub
[23:20] <kdub> haha, thanks pleia2
[23:21] <pleia2> :)
[23:21] <nhaines> OSS isn't a way of life, it's just a set of really handy tools.
[23:21] <nhaines> So take a step back, a deep breath, and enjoy the technology.  :)
[23:21] <nhaines> All the "fun" event stuff will still be around later.
[23:36] <kdub> right, of course. that statement probably had a sadder connotation than i actually wanted to convey :P
[23:37] <kdub> err, impression
[23:37] <kdub> i guess words have connotations, sentences have more of an impression
[23:44] <nhaines> Something like that.  But we know what you meant.  :)


[05:57] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bi-uB-no-bfjb/+merge/188766
[06:12] <StevenK> wgrant: r=me
[06:24] <wgrant> StevenK: Thanks


[08:26] <sbeattie> stash type: oh ew.
[15:27] <teward> sbeattie: heh
[15:44] <teward> sbeattie: any ideas on this by the way since this is a tool that reflects security support on packages?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403483/the-ubuntu-security-status-command-claims-that-almost-all-packages-are-from-t
[15:50] <mdeslaur> arm64 is in the "ports" repo, the tool doesn't know how to handle that
[15:50] <teward> mdeslaur: thanks, i'll update the post
[15:52] <teward> mdeslaur: hope you don't mind when i ask stuff here, people get annoyed when there's no answers, at least I know who to ask :)
[15:54] <mdeslaur> nah, don't mind at all :)
[16:01] <teward> good, 'cause i've been doing this for a while xD  Probably a good thing I know who to prod to get a clear answer for things that most people won't know :p
[16:22] <sbeattie> teward: if you figure out who's giving out clear answers, can you let me know, too?
[16:22] <sbeattie> I got questions of my own.
[16:23] <teward> lol
[16:23] <teward> sbeattie: "Is mayonnaise an instrument?" is not a valid question :P
[16:23] <teward> just an fyi ;)


[02:33] <daftykins> just seen the best thing on youtube in a while: http://i.imgur.com/HnGcu4l.png
[02:58] <diddledan> yawn
[07:05] <diddledan> yawn
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:10] <TwistedLucidity> Is it home time yet?
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, wait, it's not even start time. :-(
[08:11] <MooDoo> you as well eh TwistedLucidity ?
[08:12] <TwistedLucidity> Yup. At least I'm off Thurs/Fri. Woo!
[08:18] <MooDoo> :p
[09:09] <davmor2> Morning all you wondrous technohippies
[09:11] <brobostigon> :)
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Education Support Professionals Day! 😃
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: you windows abuser you ;)
[10:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: :
[10:17] <MooDoo> p:p
[10:18] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ZmKbe5oG4
[10:19] <davmor2> I think that would make the Education Support Professionals happy that or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oo8QzDHimQ
[10:20] <czajkowski> goood morning
[10:21]  * zmoylan-pi looks at weather forecast for ireland and wonders how much czajkowski pays for travel insurance... :-)
[10:22] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: more than a pound less than a million like the rest of us :)
[10:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: thanks for the appreciation dude put a smile on my face, especially when I thought of the appropriate response :D
[10:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: and i was being nice to you :p
[10:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: Hey I was nice back but you can't have that much nice without vomiting so to prevent that I threw in some sarcasm :)
[10:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: bit of a git about Lomu right?
[10:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes, i'm a bit gutted, he was my fave
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> He could cover 100m in some ridiculous time if memory serves.
[10:52] <MooDoo> about 10seconds in his prime iirc
[10:52] <TwistedLucidity> Was that over grass or over the opposition?
[10:53] <MooDoo> lol
[10:53] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: I'm in Dublin so joping it behaves before Saturday
[10:53] <czajkowski> worst comes to it I can work from home :)
[10:53] <MooDoo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXTa7UCGlk
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> at least you can console yourself with supermacs... :-)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> Confusing Alex is most amusing
[11:13] <popey> ya!
[11:14] <bigcalm> I haven't listened to RHLSTP for some time. I think I have a few to catch up on
[11:16] <popey> i watch the videos on youtube these days
[11:16] <popey> subscribed to his channel
[11:16] <popey> i was ill a few months back and chugged through loads of them while in bed
[11:17] <bigcalm> Yeah, I can't listen to talky audio while working. Too distracting. But playing games, driving or being ill in bed are good times to listen
[12:01] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you think there was a difference for him
[12:06] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: One would have squeaked a bit more
[12:08] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity, MooDoo: I remember him kinda jogging the last few metres with an English guy iirc clung to his leg he got slowed to a jog :)
[12:19] <foobarry> i forgot the bbc red button was stil a thing
[12:22] <Laney> they'll get space for an extra channel too if they cancel this service
[12:55] <foobarry> i think its cost cutting thouhg
[13:01] <Laney> spectrum exists independent of cost
[13:03] <foobarry> i expect putting anything other than a +1 chan will be £ though
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a +50years channel... :-)
[13:08] <foobarry> or a -24
[13:17] <awilkins> Have replaced faulty CPU fan.  :-P
[14:16] <foobarry> hello web people
[14:16] <foobarry> can someone help me with a css tweak pls?
[14:16] <foobarry> http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/install/ which css do i need to change the colour of "Installing and upgrading Known" ?
[14:20] <foobarry> ah got it
[14:20] <foobarry> ignore me
[14:20] <diddledan> well done :-)
[14:35] <mapps> hi;]
[14:43] <diddledan> hiya, mapps
[15:29] <foobarry> anyone know how readthedocs generates the pdfs/
[15:29] <foobarry> ? some internal md->pdf script, or a well known process?
[15:29] <foobarry> don't wanna reinvent wheels
[15:38] <davmor2> foobarry: have a look pdftk not sure if that is how it does them, but pdftk will do most things with pdf's
[15:39] <diplo>  foobarry : rst2pdf I think ?
[15:40] <awilkins> Their source is up on Github
[15:40] <awilkins> https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs.org/search?l=python&p=2&q=pdf&utf8=%E2%9C%93
[15:40] <awilkins> Not found the precise way it does PDF but probably findable with a bit of digging
[15:42] <diplo> 95% sure it's rst2pdf when I first tried it
[15:42] <diplo> I've not created any pdf's since I started using it though, just make html pages and rsync those pages to a remote site :)
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> if html had a page feed command for printouts html would do 99% of my page formats
[16:39] <bigcalm> I've ditched VirginMedia's TV (kept phone and 'net) to save money. House already has a satellite dish, so looking at freesat for TV. Anybody here use freesat and/or have recommendations on set-top boxes that record?
[18:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: the humax HB-1000S has some good reviews
[18:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: so does the Manhattan Plaza hd-s2 but I don't think that records
[18:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: but the humax has good reviews all over including argos, currys amazon etc
[18:11] <marshmn> hi all; how can I make it so that when I double-click on a text file, it will open in Atom by default instead of gedit?
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> right click on the file and change the default file handler?
[18:12] <marshmn> I can select Atom from the "open with" context menu, but how do I make it the default?
[18:13] <marshmn> zmoylan-pi: thanks - that seems to work for one extension, but there are many file extensions which are "text files"
[18:13] <marshmn> so is there a way to do it for all of them?
[18:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: thanks
[20:15] <foobarry> diplo: awilkins are you using mkdocs? or sphinx?
[23:06] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B015Q3BD74
[23:06] <daftykins> this looks like a very neat deal for anyone after a super cheap laptop to gift someone, soon


[00:43] <studio-user324> anyone using bitwig
[07:56] <jarnos> For some reason "xfce4-session-logout -s" requires authentication now in 14.04.
[13:50] <stefano_> vi è un modo di resettare il menu di accesso principale
[13:55] <delt> !it | stefano_
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !it | stefano_
[13:55] <delt> :)
[15:19] <yorwos> Hi all , im using ubuntu studio 14.04 .My soundcard works only through jack ,can i remove alsa or is jack dependent on it ?
[15:21] <yorwos> im getting an error msg during boot im tired of seeing everytime , some alsaaudio or pulse audio file not found
[15:22] <yorwos> from clean install
[17:30] <kittenberg> hi ciao
[17:31] <kittenberg> good evening to all you
[17:32] <kittenberg> i ve some problems setting my temp sensors for my amd kxx cpu
[17:46] <holstein> kittenberg: feel free and ask about the problem.. what are you trying to do?
[17:46] <kittenberg> ah ok
[17:46] <kittenberg> well
[17:46] <kittenberg> ubuntu studio installed yesterday
[17:46] <kittenberg> 14.10
[17:47] <holstein> kittenberg: what operating system are you comfing from? windows?
[17:48] <kittenberg> ubuntu 12.04 in dual boot with windows
[17:48] <kittenberg> sorry... ubuntu studio 14.04 lts... not 14.10
[17:48] <holstein> i suggest staying on the 14.04 LTS
[17:48] <kittenberg> yes
[17:48] <kittenberg> i know
[17:49] <kittenberg> ok
[17:49] <holstein> that being said, what is the question?
[17:49] <kittenberg> the problem is my chipset
[17:49] <kittenberg> i ve installed psensor but is not very good for my chipset
[17:50] <holstein> if your chipset manufacturer doest support linux well, then, you may have to accept compromises
[17:50] <holstein> whats the question? how to get your chipset to report CPU temp?
[17:50] <holstein> why are you so worried about monitoring the CPU temp?
[17:50] <kittenberg> and i m not sure what to do because of the low latency kernel
[17:51] <holstein> kittenberg: im not sure what you are asking, but, you can try the generic kernel if you need it.. its in the repos
[17:51] <kittenberg> i know
[17:51] <holstein> ubuntustudio and ubuntu have the same sources.. so, you can just install upstream ubuntu's generic kernel
[17:51] <holstein> kittenberg: you know what?
[17:52] <kittenberg> but i need low latency
[17:52] <holstein> kittenberg: again, you might need to accept compromises
[17:52] <kittenberg> yes i understand
[17:52] <kittenberg> i m only looking around for solutions
[17:52] <holstein> kittenberg: and if you have *not* tried the generic kernel in 14.10, then there are 2 things you are assuming.. 1., the lowlatency kernel is "better", and 2. the lowlatency kernel is the issue
[17:53] <holstein> kittenberg: it literally will not hurt to try the generic kernel, if you feel that is the issue with the CPU temp reporting
[17:53] <kittenberg> i need it... it s not better
[17:53] <kittenberg> but
[17:53] <kittenberg> the problem is in driver ati
[17:53] <holstein> you likely dont need CPU temp reporting..
[17:53] <kittenberg> uhm
[17:54] <holstein> if the CPU temp is hot, then, you likely have a hardware problem
[17:54] <holstein> if the CPU temp gets too hot, the machine usually has shutdown measures in place
[17:55] <holstein> anyways, i would suggest loading the generic kernel to see if what you seem to be postulating is the case.. and try upstream #xubuntu #ubuntu and ati
[17:55] <kittenberg> do you think is better wait for the solution came from using and stressing my system
[17:55] <kittenberg> ?
[17:56] <holstein> kittenberg: what solution?
[17:56] <holstein> kittenberg: if ATI isnt providing one, there may be none.. what is the issue?
[17:56] <kittenberg> right
[17:56] <holstein> you want a CPU temp monitor? and cant get one to work with the lowlatency kernel?
[17:56] <kittenberg> yes
[17:57] <holstein> and havent tried with the generic to see if that is the issue, correct?
[17:57] <holstein> kittenberg: and, the CPU temp monitor worked in 14.04? correct?
[17:57] <kittenberg> i ve reading about some bugs
[17:57] <holstein> kittenberg: did it work in 14.04? yes or no?
[17:58] <kittenberg> psensor now is working but it seems like is not working rightly
[17:58] <holstein> kittenberg: did it work in 14.04?
[17:59] <kittenberg> now im in 14.04
[17:59] <holstein> 12:46 < kittenberg> ubuntu studio installed yesterday
[17:59] <holstein> 12:46 < kittenberg> 14.10
[17:59] <holstein> kittenberg: you stated you are using 14.10.. are you on 14.10 or 14.04?
[17:59] <kittenberg> no no 14.04 yesterday
[17:59] <kittenberg> sorry..
[18:00] <holstein> kittenberg: ok.. yesterday, in 14.04 did this work or no?
[18:00] <kittenberg> old configuration was ubuntu 12.04
[18:00] <holstein> kittenberg:  i would *not* upgrade to 14.10 to try and solve this issue
[18:00] <holstein> kittenberg: friend.. has this *ever* worked for you? in *any* linux?
[18:00] <kittenberg> no no i wont upgrade
[18:00] <holstein> kittenberg: you stated you already have installed 14.10..
[18:01] <kittenberg> i think is not a problem of distribution
[18:01] <holstein> kittenberg: please answer only this question.. has the thing you are trying to make work, the CPU temp monitor *ever* worked for you?
[18:01] <kittenberg> no
[18:01] <holstein> kittenberg: ok
[18:01] <holstein> kittenberg: then, i would not expect to jump distros to "Fix" this
[18:01] <kittenberg> lm-sensor worked better of psensor insteed
[18:02] <holstein> kittenberg: personally, i would accept the compromise that, since i am using linux, and i was not promised by the creators of the hardware that linux would work, that i may not be able to use some features
[18:02] <holstein> kittenberg: why are you trying to implement a CPU tempreature monitor?
[18:02] <kittenberg> wasn t perfect but better than now
[18:03] <kittenberg> i need it to monitoring my cpu in real time
[18:03] <holstein> kittenberg: why?
[18:04] <holstein> kittenberg: why are you trying to monitor the CPU temp in real time or at all?
[18:04] <kittenberg> audio prod
[18:04] <kittenberg> midi external controls
[18:04] <kittenberg> and some
[18:04] <holstein> kittenberg: i do audio production and have *no* such need of cpu tempreature monitoring.. why do you?
[18:04] <holstein> midi external controls do not require cpu tempreature monitoring..
[18:04] <kittenberg> my computer's fan are not working good in linux
[18:05] <kittenberg> so
[18:05] <holstein> kittenberg: they either cool the CPU or not
[18:05] <holstein> kittenberg: if they are not, you should address the hardware issue
[18:05] <holstein> kittenberg: i mean, what happens when the CPU is too hot? you just shut down the machine?
[18:05] <kittenberg> there are some problems
[18:05] <holstein> kittenberg: i would address the problems with the hardware. new fan, CPU thermal paste.. or new CPU.. whatever you need
[18:06] <kittenberg> i fear fans go broken
[18:06] <kittenberg> so
[18:06] <holstein> kittenberg: *nothing* about a CPU tempreature monitor in *any* operating system will fix that issue.. you need to address the problem, and replace the fans
[18:07] <holstein> you shouldnt need to monitor the CPU temp like that. i mean, you can, and ATI should provide a way for you to do that.. but, since they dont, you really have no need for that if the hardware is functioning properly.. i would fix the fans
[18:07] <kittenberg> i think i need to fix the problem when the problem come out
[18:08] <kittenberg> dont worry
[18:08] <kittenberg> bye
[18:08] <holstein> kittenberg: i assure you, i have no worry.. good luck
[18:08] <kittenberg> very thanx
[19:38] <yorwos> hi all , it would be very cool to add WineASIO in the default install guyz , thanx