[12:00] <will> amu: it says administration is disabled and to use the applet in gnome instead!
[12:01] <ixus> Hello - I am new, & brand new to ubuntu
[12:01] <SmokingFire> hi
[12:01] <ixus> hey :)
[12:01] <LinuxJones> hi ixus
[12:01] <ixus> I need a little help getting started. . .
[12:01] <SmokingFire> welcome to the ten step group of cold turkey linux
[12:02] <ixus> haha
[12:02] <SmokingFire> Please introduce your self and tell us your problem.
[12:02] <ixus> text mode starts up, but when I type "startx" all I get is a cursor  gey screen
[12:02] <ixus> I am Kieren from london UK
[12:02] <ixus> :)
[12:02] <SmokingFire> is gdm loaded?
[12:02] <ixus> gdm?
[12:03] <SmokingFire> its the gnome login manager or something
[12:03] <rapha> Oh!
[12:03] <swim> trying to compile a game from source, and am getting this:  build.sh: line 11: jam: command not found  mmm how can I solve this?
[12:03] <SmokingFire> but why isn't x starting automatically?
[12:03] <rapha> Mithrandir: thanks for so quickly adding my bug report
[12:03] <ixus> I don't know - I thought I might have to edit something to do that
[12:03] <SmokingFire> anyway in the textmode type gdm
[12:03] <ggi> swim: sudo apt-get install jam
[12:04] <swim> :) heh thanks ggi
[12:04] <ixus> okay - just resetting the big beige box
[12:04] <SmokingFire> if it says gdm is already started I can't help you further. So one else may
[12:04] <ixus> thanks SmokingFire
[12:04] <ixus> I shall let you know in a second when it loads up
[12:04] <staticactivity> for me gdm was not installed by default, i had to apt-get in afterwards
[12:04] <amu> will: gnome-cups-manager
[12:05] <SmokingFire> ixus: Did you do a custom installation?
[12:05] <ixus> I didn't really get much option to - apart from partitions
[12:05] <LinuxJones> ixus, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and re-check your settings.
[12:05] <SmokingFire> ok, weird then
[12:06] <ixus> I used reiser, & kept my home folder from previous linux
[12:06] <SmokingFire> I did the same but no problems for me. Reiserfs and old /home
[12:07] <ixus> gdm = command not found
[12:07] <theantix> has there been any semi-official response to the gdm/splash/wallpaper that everyone has been talking about?
[12:08] <rapha> theantix: What wallpaper is that even?
[12:08] <Mithrandir> theantix: none that I've seen, no.
[12:08] <ixus> rying that now LinuxJones :)
[12:08] <LinuxJones> ixus, sudo gdm
[12:08] <theantix> okay, thanks
[12:08] <chz> yeah...i got sum new login wallpaper...
[12:08] <LinuxJones> heh
[12:08] <swim> theantix, what is that?
[12:08] <chz> three ppl holding hands..
[12:08] <SmokingFire> then you should do the apt-get that staticactivity talked about
[12:08] <theantix> rapha: just upgrade and see for yourself :-)
[12:08] <azeem> rapha: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8551#291096
[12:08] <rapha> theantix: Well, that'll take a couple of days on 56k :-/
[12:09] <rapha> Plus, I've auto-login turned on
[12:09] <ixus> sudo gdm = command not found :[
[12:09] <ixus> I take it something has gone wrong along the way on the install then
[12:09] <swim> ggi, how odd to install jam so that I can compile this game (planeshift) synaptic will uninstall freecol, isnt there anyway to keep it?
[12:09] <WW_> First thing I did after that upgrade was use Login Screen Setup to choose a different login screen, then I disabled "Show splash login screen" in Sessions.
[12:09] <will> amu: in the printer port i have only USB ports...no LPT port!
[12:09] <trans_err> I just switched from debian to ubuntu- how do I import my old evolution data?
[12:09] <SmokingFire> ixus:  is network installed and enabled?
[12:10] <socomm> I don't see anything wrong with this art :^/
[12:10] <rapha> !!!
[12:11] <ixus> I think so - its first run, it downloaded a load of packages from teh net
[12:11] <rapha> Wow, what are you people doing! I mean, in Germany this'll be fine, but in the US you'll damage your reputation!
[12:11] <socomm> Huh?
[12:11] <SmokingFire> ixus: if so then do sudo apt-get install gdm
[12:12] <socomm> You gotta be pretty conservative to ... forget it.
[12:12] <ixus> it's downloading :)
 and also change the runlevel in /etc/inittab to 5
[12:12] <SmokingFire> good
[12:12] <ixus> oh damn - i need the Cd
[12:12] <ixus> Ah - found it
[12:12] <WW_> For me, it was nothing about reputation or being conservative... it just looked too much like a Calvin Klein ad!
[12:13] <amu> will: the printer was online while booting ?
[12:13] <georgia> looks like a pretty tame "we like people" stock photo
[12:13] <socomm> I wonder if Ubuntu actually paid for this photos though. :^/
[12:14] <georgia> could be free to use photos
[12:14] <georgia> there's a lot of them about
[12:14] <socomm> Hehe, does this come standard in hoary?
[12:14] <jans> I'm having a sound problem with a new installation.
[12:14] <will> amu: yeah its turned on, is it to do with bi-directional/compatible/ECP settings you think? its on bi-directional now
[12:14] <swim> anybody, when I try to install jam so that I can compile this game (planeshift) synaptic will uninstall freecol, isnt there anyway to keep it?
[12:14] <socomm> Get it? ^_^
[12:14] <will> amu: sorry in the BIOS
[12:14] <ixus> hooray!!  Thank-you SmokingFire
[12:14] <jans> error message Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist.
[12:14] <thomas__> hi.  I have three soundcards in my machine.  I'm new to ubuntu/debian - is there some way I can specify the "order" of devices so that one of those three I choose is the first ?
[12:14] <ixus> I now have a graphical log in :)
[12:15] <Anna> I just wanted to share the good news that I've managed to install my first application from the command line (flashplayer, which no doubt, I'll regret in a couple of hours), and on top of that I configured two printers (but that was rather easy).
[12:15] <rapha> Also, why is it two white persons and one black person? Where's the Asian?
[12:15] <SmokingFire> swim: can't you install jam and then reinstall freecol?
[12:15] <will> Anna: are your printers on Parallel ports?
[12:15] <georgia> rapha: if its a stock photo, you takes you what you gets
[12:15] <SmokingFire> ixus: nice :)
[12:15] <Anna> yes
[12:15] <sabdfl> rapha: he's north africa, as it happens
[12:16] <jans> Sound worked the first time I installed Ubuntu about 3 weeks ago.
[12:16] <will> Anna: i can only choose from USB ports....where did you find your LPT ports?!?!?
[12:16] <rapha> sabdfl: Well, looks like a "caucasian white male" to me or whatever it is called
[12:16] <swim> SmokingFire, I dont know I didnt install freecol in the firstplace, seems like it was already installed, but I would like to play it
[12:16] <rapha> georgia :-) ... did you make those images?
[12:16] <SmokingFire> It should be me with the two women!
[12:16] <georgia> nope
[12:17] <georgia> but ive seen more than my fair share of stock photo cds, and it looks like they came off one of those
[12:17] <rapha> Because despite from being of discussion-provoking nature, they definately do look good
[12:17] <jans> very cute
[12:17] <Anna> Will: I just did the Computer/System Configuration/Printing and then double click the 'add new printer' icon
[12:17] <SmokingFire> swim: perhaps you can just reinstall it afterwards. Synaptic is trying to solve conflicts is my guess.
[12:18] <Anna> and then follow it from tere
[12:18] <Anna> there
[12:18] <SmokingFire> rapha: to me its just like someone else said calvin klein. If it were arty then ok.
[12:18] <ixus> Oh, now all I get after login is a brown screen & a cursor [
[12:18] <will> humm, i can only select usb ports....will try and change my bios i think!
[12:18] <will> bye people!
[12:18] <jdub> georgia: (they're not stock photos)
[12:18] <ixus> Better than grey at least
[12:18] <georgia> they're not?
[12:19] <SmokingFire> ixus: :)
[12:19] <Anna> strange
[12:19] <Anna> bye
[12:19] <georgia> hm, i stand corrected
[12:19] <SmokingFire> ixus: can't help you further. I have not experienced similair problems.
[12:19] <ixus> :[
[12:19] <rapha> jdub: Did you make the pics?
[12:19] <ixus> thanks a lot for your help
[12:19] <ixus> I'm going to install it again
[12:20] <SmokingFire> ok best of luck
[12:20] <jdub> rapha: no, a design company made them to spec for us
[12:20] <ixus> maybe I did something wrong whilst eating my pizza
[12:20] <LinuxJones> ixus, check the faq ?
[12:20] <ixus> had a breif look
[12:20] <rapha> jdub: I see
[12:20] <ixus> didn't see anything abou tthis
[12:20] <malte`> bye bye
[12:20] <SmokingFire> last time I spilled cola on my computer and this hot women in a red dress came out of it.
[12:20] <rapha> jdub: Are you in the process of deciding for one?
[12:20] <LinuxJones> ixus, you using an nvidia or ati card ?
[12:21] <jdub> rapha: hrm?
[12:21] <ixus> nvidia
[12:21] <SmokingFire> LinuxJones: but x is starting so I figure thats not the problem.
[12:21] <LinuxJones> ixus, did you install the nvidia driver ?
[12:21] <rapha> jdub: Are you in the process of choosing a design company to do the final Ubuntu artwork?
[12:22] <ixus> it didn't ask me - so no I think
[12:22] <jdub> rapha: no, this is the final artwork for WartyWarthog. it's our release candidate!
[12:22] <LinuxJones> SmokingFire, I had to install the Nvidia driver for some reason to make x work.
[12:22] <SmokingFire> someone also told about changing the runtime to level 5 or something
[12:22] <SmokingFire> ixus:
[12:22] <ixus> the log in screen comes up now
[12:23] <ixus> but thats it
[12:23] <rapha> jdub: Oh, I see! Cool.
[12:23] <SmokingFire> ixus: what if you go back to the console and type sudo -s
[12:23] <SmokingFire> and then load gdm and then x
[12:23] <LinuxJones> ixus, just try that first before you re-install it's in the faq >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:23] <ixus> I'll try that - just restarting :)
[12:23] <rapha> jdub: One thing Ubuntu is certainly doing is being noticed :)
[12:23] <rapha> Best Distro Marketing Ever
[12:24] <rapha> (BDME)
[12:24] <guptan> where can I fid log of installation I did through synaptic, basically I just wanted to know what all packages I installed with Mplayer.
[12:24] <SmokingFire> ubunutu should buy licenses from sco to get noticed even more.
[12:24] <azeem> rapha: still no /. story about the pr0n wallpaper though ;)
[12:24] <rapha>  :-)
[12:24] <ixus> sudo gdm & x also?
[12:25] <socomm> Does ubuntu plan on going commercial?
[12:25] <SmokingFire> no if you do sudo -s
[12:25] <SmokingFire> everything will be launched as root
[12:26] <socomm> SmokingFire, `sudo -s' gives you a shell with root priviliges.
[12:26] <suzan> @socomm: Ubuntu will always be free of charge
[12:26] <SmokingFire> I know but it says with an whoami:root
[12:27] <NoSiLvEr4u> how do i get mp3 support in ubuntu?
[12:27] <socomm> suzan, just wondering. Read that Ubuntu had commercial aspirations, somewhere.
[12:27] <guptan> NoSiLvEr4u: isn't it already supported?
[12:27] <jdub> socomm: ubuntu is a commercially supported distribution
[12:27] <SmokingFire> NoSiLvEr4u: you will have to pay 59 bucks to fraunhoffer
[12:27] <Se7h> LOL
[12:27] <jordi> jdub: so what's all of this fuzz about the WartyPr0n?
[12:27] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, ubuntu comes with MPG 3 support as far as I know.
[12:27] <azeem> jordi: nipples!
[12:27] <jordi> Is the background one of those we saw in Oxford?
[12:27] <SmokingFire> socomm: not anymore
[12:27] <jdub> socomm: we won't charge for the software itself
[12:27] <jdub> jordi: yeah
[12:28] <jordi> jdub: cool
[12:28] <SmokingFire> NoSiLvEr4u: you need to install the gstreamer mad package if I remember correctly
[12:28] <Se7h> azeem where who what?
[12:28] <socomm> jdub, just wondering never know when ubuntu may go the way of RH.
[12:28] <guptan> where can I find log of installation I did through synaptic, basically I just wanted to know what all packages I installed with Mplayer.
[12:28] <jdub> socomm: it's part our commitment
[12:28] <socomm> jdub, thanks for clearing that up.
[12:29] <NoSiLvEr4u> thanks smokingfire
[12:29] <SmokingFire> jdub: how do plan to earn money?
[12:29] <NoSiLvEr4u> socomm, rhythmbox tells me there is no mp3 support when i try to add mp3 files to my library
[12:29] <jordi> jdub: I see the headlines. "LINUX GOES ANTI-CHRISTIAN IN THEIR RECENT RELEASE 4"
[12:29] <jdub> SmokingFire: we're doing services and support for ubuntu. explaining it over irc is slightly too difficult.
[12:29] <jdub> jordi: heh
[12:29] <jordi> ok, and before I go to bed.
[12:30] <jordi> Repeat with me! Va-len-cia! Va-len-cia!
[12:30] <SmokingFire> jordi: like apple for "apple" and darwin and some other stuff. I read some site once that Apple was anti christian
[12:30] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, my install came with Mp3 support if I remember correctly.
[12:30] <jordi> SmokingFire: that webpage is hilarious
[12:30] <SmokingFire> jdub: canniciol has an online business plan?
[12:30] <jordi> SmokingFire: hey, it's based on BSD... And you know what the BSD icon is!
[12:31] <NoSiLvEr4u> i dunno i just did the latest from yesterday's install CD, and that's what it told me
[12:31] <SmokingFire> socomm: they changed it for obvious reasons.
[12:31] <socomm> SmokingFire, I know.
[12:31] <SmokingFire> socomm: my first iso also had out of the box mp3 support but last weeks daily build didn't
[12:31] <NoSiLvEr4u> the mulitimedia faq is pretty vague about it
[12:31] <jdub> SmokingFire: no
[12:31] <SmokingFire> jdub: ok, just curious
[12:31] <guptan> can somebody tell me where can I find the apt log
[12:32] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, try installing limp3-dev
[12:32] <NoSiLvEr4u> so gstreamer should have mp3 codecs?
[12:32] <jdub> SmokingFire: better for us to spend time doing it rather than explaining it :-)
[12:32] <georgia> i'm listening to mp3s and installed today, havent done anythign to this machien excpet install thunderbird and a couple of perl modules
[12:32] <ixus> Ah still no joy.  I'm going to reinstall
[12:32] <SmokingFire> jdub: I know but investors and customers want to know if you are a sound company to keep long term relationships with.
[12:32] <ixus> I'll update when it's done
[12:33] <Randomize> Does anyone know if it is possible to get a valid (proved to be working with gst-launch) faad plugin working under Rhythmbox in Ubuntu without rebuilding gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox from their respective cvs sources?
[12:33] <jordi> does anyone have a screenshot of the default Warty desktop for the RC?
[12:33] <dieman> jdub: btw, metaverse was a great idea, i'm impressed with it so far.
[12:33] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, or try libsmpeg0
[12:33] <dieman> jdub: or whatever this non-free stuff in ubuntu thing is :)
[12:33] <SmokingFire> ixus: I also don't do updates during install. Prefer to login and internet while updating.
[12:33] <jdub> SmokingFire: they will want to know that from us, not from reading the website ;)
[12:33] <LinuxJones> socomm, do you have gstreamer-mad installed ?
[12:33] <richnrockvillemd> Interesting background for the graphic's interface :)
[12:34] <socomm> LinuxJones, no.
[12:34] <ixus> SmokingFire:  Thanks, I'll try that this time round :)
[12:34] <LinuxJones> richnrockvillemd, that's been a common theme here in the irc channel today :D
[12:34] <LinuxJones> socomm, install it and try playing mp3
[12:35] <socomm> LinuxJones, NoSiLvEr4u is the person trying to get MP3 playback.
[12:35] <socomm> :^/
[12:35] <LinuxJones> socomm, oops sorry
[12:35] <socomm> No worries.
[12:35] <NoSiLvEr4u> ok, i'll be back
[12:35] <LinuxJones> socomm, I am watching "The Pianist" and not watching what I am doing :D
[12:36] <will> help! i have no Parallel Port!! does any one know about em?
[12:36] <SmokingFire> guptan: you asked about apt log?
[12:36] <socomm> will, more info.
[12:36] <guptan> SmokingFire: yes
[12:36] <socomm> will, please.
[12:37] <NoSiLvEr4u> still no love
[12:37] <LinuxJones> will, is your parallell port disabled in your system bios ?
[12:37] <NoSiLvEr4u> i did the gstreamer mad and the libsmpeg0
[12:37] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, how about libmp3
[12:37] <SmokingFire> guptan: I saw on the mailing list an aptitude script but I can't find it. But perhaps from synaptic do file-->save markings
[12:38] <will> i have set up my printer but in 'connection','printer port' i only have USB ports listed. in my bios the parallel port is set to ECP mode
[12:38] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, I think that xmms uses mpg123 for MP3 playback.
[12:39] <NoSiLvEr4u> yeah, i can't find libmp3 or mpg123 in my listing
[12:39] <SmokingFire> NoSiLvEr4u: do an apt-get install gstreamer-0.8-plugins This will install all gstreamer plugins
[12:39] <LinuxJones> will,  lsmod | grep par   ..... do you see a paraport module loaded ?
[12:39] <NoSiLvEr4u> and i've got all the repositories enabled
[12:40] <socomm> NoSiLvEr4u, `apt-cache search libmp3 | less' though `apt-get install libmp3' should do it for you.
[12:40] <mike_douglas> one prob: The new version of the gdm theme looks really stretched on widescreen. Any chance of getting a widescreen version?
[12:40] <will> Linuxjones: no only parport_pc and parport
[12:40] <jdub> mike_douglas: that'll be fixed before final
[12:41] <LinuxJones> will,  ok I thought the modules might not be loaded but they are.
[12:41] <will> strange huh!
[12:41] <SmokingFire> socomm mad should do it
[12:42] <will> what would the 'path' be to the parallel port
[12:42] <will> on say any given machine
[12:42] <jordi> nite
[12:42] <ixus> partitions:  should / have a bootable flag if I'm not making a boot partition?
[12:43] <jsubl2> where do i set my system_id so i don't get this error message when apt-get source build Unconfigured SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-.
[12:43] <SmokingFire> ixus one bootable part per HD
[12:43] <LinuxJones> will, it used to be /dev/lp0 but it's not there anymore
[12:44] <will> linuxjones: so where do you find these things then??
[12:44] <ixus> I only have the one HD but was just goign to have partitions for /, /usr, /opt, & /home
[12:44] <ixus> so would I flag / ?
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> Why are there now naked people on my Gnome splash? LOL
[12:45] <SmokingFire> ixus: yes
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> Great update
[12:45] <ixus> Thanks - no more questions for a nit - promise ;)
[12:45] <ixus> *bit
[12:45] <socomm> What the hell, am I the only one without nudes on my system >_<.
[12:45] <LinuxJones> will, i dunno what is going on but try cat 'test' >> /.dev/lp0 and see if it prints to it.
[12:45] <SmokingFire> ixus: no problem
[12:45] <socomm> s/my/his
[12:45] <georgia> socomm: possibly
[12:46] <will> Linuxjones: permission denied!
[12:46] <will> bash: /.dev/lp0: Permission denied
[12:46] <socomm> will as super user
[12:46] <nosilver4u> well, still no luck on the mp3 thing
[12:46] <LinuxJones> will, sudo -s first
[12:46] <georgia> socomm: though you seem stressed, so porn may not be the right solution ;)
[12:46] <nosilver4u> installed all the gstreamer plugins
[12:46] <nosilver4u> couldn't find libmp3 though
[12:46] <nosilver4u> still
[12:47] <will>  sudo -s cat 'test' >> /.dev/lp0 < same thing
[12:47] <socomm> nosilver4u, did you try installing it from the command line. I'm assuming that you're installing via sinaptic [sp?]
[12:48] <socomm> s/sinaptic/synaptic
[12:48] <LinuxJones> will, maybe it's under /.dev/usb/lp0
[12:48] <socomm> LinuxJones, shouldn't it be /dev/lp0
[12:48] <nosilver4u> yeah, i tried both ways
[12:48] <LinuxJones> socomm, they don't use devfs any more it's location has changed
[12:48] <nosilver4u> i'm a command line junky, having used gentoo mostly
[12:48] <nosilver4u> i get mp3 in xmms
[12:49] <nosilver4u> so i might just have to be satisfied with that
[12:49] <will> none of em work, even /dev/lp0
[12:49] <socomm> nosilver4u, not a fan of xmms?
[12:49] <nosilver4u> just not in rythmbox
[12:49] <nosilver4u> used to be, but i kind of like having a library with all my music sorted by artist and album
[12:49] <socomm> BMP is too high in cholesterol for my liking.
[12:50] <will> oh well will leave it for now then
[12:50] <Phr0stByte> socomm: cholesterol?
[12:50] <socomm> Phr0stByte, bloat.
[12:51] <SmokingFire> nosilver4u: your problem is not normal.
[12:51] <will> another question: how do i disable DMA support only on hdd
[12:51] <Phr0stByte> socomm: like?
[12:51] <nosilver4u> yeah, i didn't think so
[12:51] <nosilver4u> nothing on this computer is
[12:51] <nosilver4u> i can't even get ubuntu to load X with my radeon 8500
[12:51] <nosilver4u> i had to downgrade to a 7000
[12:52] <nosilver4u> fortunately it's not my primary computer, use it mostly for an ftp and webserver
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> socomm: Actually, BMP is the result of the XMMS developement brach splitting
[12:52] <rapha> What component should I file bugs under that apply to all of Ubuntu (i.e., generic things)?
[12:53] <Phr0stByte> socomm: (Plus its gtk2)
[12:54] <chz> has anybody been having problems with wireless..?
[12:54] <socomm> Phr0stByte, You can really tell the difference on older processors.
[12:54] <ixus> Anyone installed ubuntu on Apple hardware or via mini-itx?
[12:54] <chz> i cant seem to figure out why i cant shutdown my card and restart it...
[12:55] <Phr0stByte> socomm: Maybe thats my problem, heh
[12:55] <jazzka> what solutions has ubuntu to see quiktime movies?
[12:56] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: win32codecs
[12:56] <jazzka> Phr0stByte, it's installed, but can't see movies on firefox ..
[12:57] <amu> ixus: PowerBook5,4 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh
[12:57] <SmokingFire> jazzka: no easy solution to play movies in firefox on linux
[12:57] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: a browser plug-in is a different matter
[12:57] <jazzka> :(
[12:57] <SmokingFire> jazzka: people are working on it, slowly
[12:57] <socomm> jazzka, http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer
[12:58] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: you mean trailers?
[12:58] <jazzka> Could I see the movie if I download the mov file?
[12:58] <guptan> how can I get Mplayer for ubuntu, can I use deb packages?
[12:58] <jazzka> Phr0stByte, yes
[12:58] <Phr0stByte> jazzka: look up plugger
[12:58] <SmokingFire> If there was an xpi for totom-xine, ubuntu would almost be perfect.
[12:58] <socomm> guptan, http://samesoft.sf.net/juan/umplayer
[12:58] <socomm> Go through that tutorial.
[12:59] <SmokingFire> jazzka: But the problem is getting the source of the embedded movie.
[12:59] <socomm> Phr0stByte, mplayer-plugin.
[12:59] <jazzka> then, does a solution exist?
[12:59] <Chriffer> gxine has a mozilla plugin
[12:59] <socomm> http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/index.php
[12:59] <SmokingFire> Is xfree using motif?
[12:59] <Phr0stByte> socomm: I like mozplugger
[12:59] <ixus> amu:  How did you find it on the PB?  I have an iBook - might give it a try if I like it on the PC
[01:00] <SmokingFire> If so why can't it plugin into the whatever running window manager?
[01:00] <rapha> SmokingFire: Oh yes, there is. It's called mplayerplugin
[01:00] <georgia> i really like ubuntu on my eMac
[01:01] <SmokingFire> rapha: downloading it now
[01:01] <amu> ixus: the best thing i saw, installed the CD and everything works by default ex. extreme :)
[01:02] <ixus> I might give it a go :)
[01:02] <rapha> :-)
[01:02] <SmokingFire> I hope they don't go to an graphical installer like fedora's or like mandrake. They are to bloated.
[01:02] <ixus> amu:  I have an iBook 366mhz & haven't had much sucsess getting Linux on it so far - just glad there is another distro for the Mac
[01:03] <SmokingFire> My perfect linux installer would just dumb the cd onto the hd and then unpack and configure
[01:03] <georgia> ixus: i ran yellowdog on my ibook 500, ran like a dog though
[01:03] <georgia> most likley was the fact i had very little ram in it though
[01:03] <Randomize> Truth in advertising. :)
[01:04] <amu> ixus: no problem, i run 2 part. 1 with osx and tried to install linux on the 2nd part. , well from earlier installations it was a terrible thing, BUT now very very easy
[01:04] <ixus> georgia: I could never get teh 2nd YD cd to load - it always crashed.  I'm going to burn a Ubuntu CD & try it out once I backup
[01:05] <georgia> yeah i dual boot here as well, though there;s very little i need osx for now. other than final cut pro i can do just about everythin under linux
[01:06] <LinuxJones> georgia, whqat version of FC are you using Pro or Express ?
[01:06] <amu> ixus: i tried with debian before, guess you saw the many "how2installmyiBook" reports ;) Ubuntu just works
[01:06] <georgia> pro
[01:06] <LinuxJones> georgia, nice
[01:06] <SmokingFire> did you ever try customize toolbar in firefox?
[01:06] <georgia> to be precise fcp hd
[01:07] <LinuxJones> georgia, sweet I'm getting a dual G5 with FC Pro in 2 months can't wait :D
[01:07] <ixus> I'm looking forward t the iBook install now - just have to wait for the PC install to work though
[01:07] <ixus> got to have one net ready PC
[01:08] <georgia> i'm glad i dont do much editing of large files i'm on an eMac and cant afford a g5 at the moment
[01:08] <LinuxJones> georgia, ya they are rather expensive. However, you get what you pay for :P
[01:08] <georgia> yup
[01:09] <georgia> my emac is exactly what i wanted though, i needed a cute machine, preferably all in one, capable of running fcp and burning dvds
[01:09] <amu> ixus: have fun with it ;)
[01:09] <LinuxJones> georgia, your not running Apple Motion by chance are you ?
[01:09] <georgia> nope
[01:10] <ricochet> I am getting gzip: stdin: not in gzip format errors from apt-get update.  whats going on?
[01:10] <LinuxJones> georgia, I am getting that as well but don't know anybody personally who is using it.
[01:10] <georgia> it looks nice, but its more money i dont need to spend, and dont have
[01:11] <aitrus> ricochet: just keep running apt-get update, they'll clear up
[01:11] <LinuxJones> georgia, thank god for local small business assistance programs :D
[01:12] <georgia> be good if i could get much help
[01:12] <Randomize> Hate hammering on this, but really flummoxed: Does anyone know if it is possible to get a valid (proved to be working with gst-launch) faad plugin working under Rhythmbox in Ubuntu without rebuilding gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox from their respective cvs sources?
[01:12] <LinuxJones> georgia, where are you located ?
[01:12] <georgia> scotland
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ahh
[01:13] <LinuxJones> I live in New Scotland, aka Nova Scotia Canada
[01:14] <georgia> :)
[01:14] <LinuxJones> heh
[01:15] <georgia> god i love linux!
[01:15] <Randomize> And it loves you. :)
[01:16] <Randomize> Just, not in "that way."
[01:16] <georgia> usually it doesnt, but it seems to today, everything i need to work is working :D
[01:16] <Randomize> If I could get aac playback working I could dump my XP install, it feels silly to be stuck on something so trivial.
[01:17] <ixus> hooray!!!  I have a Gnome desktop :D
[01:17] <ixus> Thanks for all your helpp guys.  The reinstall worked
[01:18] <rapha> Anybody got experience with Skype?
[01:19] <LinuxJones> rapha, that's voice telephone ?
[01:19] <LinuxJones> rapha, over ip ?
[01:20] <punkass_> rapha: used it on windows...and it works well
[01:20] <punkass_> rapha: installed it on linux...worked well
[01:20] <punkass_> rapha: havent tried it on ubuntu yet
[01:20] <aitrus> hmm... do i need to run the smp kernel with a P4 HT processor?
[01:21] <aitrus> linux usually sees the HT's as 2 processors isntead of 1...
[01:26] <Randomize> Mmm, I would suspect that you do not "need" to run a kernel with smp support.  As to what sacrifices you make in terms of performance by not having HT utilized on the CPU, haven't the foggiest.
[01:26] <rapha> LinuxJones: yes
[01:27] <swim>  does anyone know where I can get the java sdk docs off the sun site?
[01:27] <rapha> punkass_: Because my friend and I were experimenting with GnomeMeeting and SIP stuff (Linphone, that is), both of which didn't work very well...
[01:27] <swim> duh got it ;)
[01:28] <LinuxJones> rapha, is it free or do you have to pay service fees ?
[01:28] <jbarnett> does ubuntu have any support for dial-up using winmodems?
[01:29] <rapha> LinuxJones: Only if you want to call "normal" telephones. But it's a closed-source program (using the latest freedesktop.org technology still)
[01:29] <LinuxJones> rapha, ahh
[01:30] <punkass_> rapha: well i randomly picked someone from australia (im in canada) and it seemed to work fine
[01:30] <rapha> This is kind of a new breed of commercial software, the one we always whished would be available for Linux. So it's kind of interesting to see if their business model will work...
[01:30] <rapha> punkass_: Sounds cool!
[01:31] <rapha> LinuxJones: International fee into a number of countries (virtually all important ones) is 1.7 EURO-cents per minute.
[01:31] <gatolas> hello
[01:31] <swim> very bizarre I put the  cpu frequency scaling monitor on my panel, and it's showing to be running at 0% and jumping up and down between 7.10ghz or so and 0ghz ! what the?
[01:32] <aitrus> swim: 7 ghz!  that's a great machine!
[01:32] <swim> hehe yeah I wish
[01:32] <LinuxJones> rapha, ya it is very expensive....have you looked at TeamSpeak ?? >> http://www.goteamspeak.com/
[01:33] <rapha> LinuxJones: That is the fee for calling NORMAL phones. Internet-to-internet calls are feeless.
[01:33] <andreasvc> hey does anyone know if it's possible to get CD-R working with a 2.4 kernel?
[01:33] <rapha> It actually is very cheap.
[01:33] <gatolas> Teampspeak looks like a fine app
[01:33] <LinuxJones> rapha, ya
[01:33] <swim> I want it to work
[01:34] <rapha> andreasvc: Why wouldn't it?
[01:34] <andreasvc> I compiled my own 2.4 kernel and it doesn't, somehow
[01:34] <gatolas> newbie quick question> how do I edit grub list? I change grub.conf, then what? (for lilo, I know I need to run /sbin/lilo after editing conf file)
[01:34] <rapha> andreasvc: Did you compile ide-scsi in, and are you passing "hdX=ide-scsi" on the kernel commandline?
[01:34] <rapha> s/)/?
[01:35] <andreasvc> ah, not passing that commandline, thanks
[01:35] <rapha> gatolas: Edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[01:35] <jbarnett> does ubuntu support dial-up connections?
[01:35] <rapha> gatolas: Then just reboot. The changes take effect immediately.
[01:35] <andreasvc> yes, use ppp
[01:35] <rapha> jbarnett: Yes
[01:35] <gatolas> rapha: after I edit that list, how do I "update"?
[01:35] <gatolas> Oh, I just reboot? cool!
[01:35] <jbarnett> with winmodems?
[01:35] <rapha> gatolas: You don't have to.
[01:35] <rapha> Yes
[01:36] <rapha> jbarnett: I don't believe so, but I'm not sure. Try it, and if it doesn't work look at winmodem.org if yours is supported and how to set it up.
[01:36] <gatolas> thanks
[01:36] <rapha> np
[01:36] <jbarnett> rapha, ok, thanks.
[01:38] <ixus> what is /dev/dsp ?
[01:38] <andreasvc> the soundcard device
[01:38] <ixus> Ah
[01:39] <ixus> for some reason it's stopping me from opening video files
[01:39] <andreasvc> ixus: does your soundcard work?
[01:40] <ixus> i don't know - I can't open any media
[01:40] <andreasvc> then you should probably try to get your soundcard to work before trying any videos...
[01:41] <Phr0stByte> Is there a place where we can see what was done with these kernel updates?
[01:41] <andreasvc> it's also interesting to install "totem-xine" to be able to play divx
[01:44] <ixus> I don't know if it works.  Anyone got a website with sound?
[01:46] <JakeandBake> you should be able to hear system sound effects
[01:46] <JakeandBake> Nautilus makes sounds every time you open a window or click a button
[01:47] <andreasvc> and you can try "dmesg | grep -i alsa" to see kernel messages about your soundcard
[01:47] <Dashiva> any clue why my ubuntu just booted up with pictures of half nekkid guys
[01:47] <JakeandBake> it is 2 chicks and a guy
[01:47] <Dashiva> yeah
[01:47] <georgia> and its nice
[01:47] <JakeandBake> and it is the new ubuntu art or whatever
[01:47] <Dashiva> :/
[01:47] <JakeandBake> i like it too
[01:48] <JakeandBake> you can change it if you like
[01:48] <JanneM> not supposed to be the deafault, though
[01:48] <swim> lineakd
[01:48] <Dashiva> is there an easy way to change it or do i have to use gconf and gdmconfig
[01:49] <StoneTable> I really hope they don't make that new artwork the default
[01:49] <Dashiva> it booted up default when i reinstalled
[01:50] <goatboy> Dashiva: you can downgrade and hold ubuntu-artwork if you want the old ones back.
[01:50] <goatboy> (that's what I did)
[01:50] <Dashiva> aha
[01:50] <Dashiva> k
[01:50] <SmokingFire> Dashiva: computer-->system conf -->login screen setup
[01:50] <Dashiva> hmm
[01:50] <Dashiva> nifty
[01:50] <Dashiva> no more gconfeditor
[01:51] <SmokingFire> Dashiva: btw in login screen setup choose graphical login and click on the radio button of the login you want
[01:52] <GOwin> question: why do mpg movies in ubuntu looks pale in comparison with viewing them from windows?
[01:52] <gatolas> what ir wrong with this line? /dev/hda7       /mnt/Documentos vfat    rw,user,auto    0       0
[01:52] <gatolas> When I try to see it, I can see a list of everything, but nautilus (and terminal) won't tell folders apart from files.
[01:53] <gatolas> Neither can be accessed
[01:53] <Dashiva> change rw to umask=000
[01:53] <gatolas> Dashiva: thanks
[01:53] <andreasvc> you might want to keep rw
[01:53] <Dashiva> don't forget to remount it
[01:53] <gatolas> ok
[01:53] <gatolas> bbl
[01:54] <ixus> andreasvc  Thanks. "device xxxxx does not have a release function & must be fixed"
[01:55] <gatolas> Dashiva: I replaced "auto 0 0 0" with the umask line
[01:55] <gatolas> bbl
[01:55] <andreasvc> ixus: figure out what soundcard you have and google it, see if other linux people have it working
[01:55] <Dashiva> if it's vfat is shoudl read /mnt/documentos  vfat  user,auto,umask=000  0  0
[01:56] <ixus> Thanks - will do :)  Tomorrow though - it's gettign past my bedtime now ;)
[01:57] <Bohhh> damn
[01:57] <Bohhh> i would prefer kde instead of gnome for ubuntu
[01:57] <gatolas> Dashiva: replacing auto with umask seems to have solved it. Your line doesn't include rw please explain
[01:57] <Bohhh> bad choice for ubuntu
[01:57] <Dashiva> rw only sets permissions for the owner
[01:58] <Dashiva> as in root
[01:58] <georgia> lo neuro_
[01:58] <andreasvc> no
[01:58] <Dashiva> umask=000 makes it read/write for all users
[01:58] <andreasvc> rw means write the device as read write
[01:58] <gatolas> Dashiva! oh! ok, brb
[01:58] <jdub> Bohhh: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000022.html
[01:58] <andreasvc> whoops, I meant mount the device :$
[01:59] <Dashiva> kde sucks
[01:59] <Dashiva> if i wanted something that bloated i'd use windows :D
[01:59] <jdub> Dashiva: let's not go there...
[01:59] <jdub> Bohhh: you can install kde from universe.
[01:59] <gatolas> jdub: excellent response! I prefer Gnome too, but I'm bookmarking that link!
[02:01] <Bohhh> jdub, universe? what is it?
[02:01] <jdub> Bohhh: unsupported packages from debian main
[02:01] <Bohhh> ok
[02:01] <swim> help trying to install j2sdk and am getting this when running .bin: Extracting...  ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-ia64.bin: line 370: ./install.sfx.21308: cannot execute binary file
[02:02] <Bohhh> kde i a more integrated desktop though
[02:02] <Bohhh> *is
[02:02] <swim> Bohhh, I agree, though I find gnome prettier :)
[02:02] <Bohhh> i can do everything with that konqueror
[02:02] <Bohhh> i wonder if mozilla can replace it
[02:03] <swim> I still preffer mozilla, at least in kde 3.2.3, it was faster
[02:03] <Bohhh> it doesn't look like to be a file-manager
[02:03] <swim> feeling
[02:03] <andreasvc> firefox is even better than mozilla :P
[02:03] <Bohhh> swim, is mozilla a file-manager?
[02:03] <swim> thats what I mean firefox
[02:03] <andreasvc> no it's not
[02:03] <swim> Bohhh, no, a webbrowser
[02:03] <Bohhh> (other than a browser)
[02:04] <andreasvc> but nautilus is a file manager
[02:04] <andreasvc> (and a browser)
[02:04] <Bohhh> well, damn..
[02:04] <Bohhh> why not kde then for a desktop!!
[02:04] <jdub> Bohhh: there is good value separating the idea of 'file manager' and 'web browser', which is what GNOME has done
[02:04] <jdub> Bohhh: see that post.
[02:04] <Bohhh> jdub, i read it
[02:04] <andreasvc> jdub: say what? nautilus is from gnome and it's both a browser and file manager
[02:05] <Bohhh> jdub, it forgot to mention "integration" as an advatange in kde desktop
[02:05] <gatolas> newbie question 2: lilo handles drives as /hda3, etc. How do I setup an equivalent in grub? hd0,2 doesn't seem to work
[02:05] <jdub> Bohhh: the post was not about the advantages of KDE.
[02:05] <swim> anybody? help trying to install j2sdk and am getting this when running .bin: Extracting...  ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-ia64.bin: line 370: ./install.sfx.21308: cannot execute binary file
[02:05] <Bohhh> jdub, indeed :)
[02:05] <andreasvc> swim: java is *bad* :P
[02:05] <jdub> Bohhh: i don't think the concept of "integration" is present only in KDE
[02:05] <jdub> andreasvc: it is not intended to be a browser.
[02:06] <jdub> andreasvc: the fact that there are browser plugins for it is a relic of the past.
[02:06] <gatolas> swim: are you synapticking it?
[02:06] <swim> andreasvc, yes but I need it to play a particular game
[02:06] <swim> gatolas, I heard that one could not synaptic it
[02:06] <gatolas> oh
[02:06] <andreasvc> swim: that sounds ironic; you *need* to play a *game*
[02:06] <andreasvc> there's a free software attempt at java but it's nowhere near usable alas
[02:06] <swim> andreasvc, yes, its true though, otherwise I begin to atrophy
[02:07] <swim> oh bummer andreasvc
[02:08] <gatolas> newbie question2 again: what is the equivalent of /hda3 in grub terms?
[02:08] <andreasvc> swim: yeah, it even crashes firefox so I just uninstalled it
[02:08] <andreasvc> gatolas: hd0,2 did sound right
[02:08] <swim> oof
[02:08] <LinuxJones> gatolas, hd0,2
[02:09] <goatboy> swim: ia64 is Itanium, you probably want something like amd64 or x86_64.
[02:09] <gatolas> andreasvc, LinuxJones: it doesn't work
[02:09] <gatolas> it says 0xeb is not supported
[02:09] <swim> goatboy, ah thats what I thought, but I couldnt find anything
[02:09] <andreasvc> so why not stick with lilo then...
[02:09] <gatolas> I formerly used lilo to boot that same partition (it's a BeOS partition)
[02:10] <gatolas> andreasvc: because ubuntu's default is grub, and I just installed ubuntu
[02:10] <LinuxJones> gatolas, BeOS lol
[02:10] <andreasvc> you can use lilo to boot grub to boot ubuntu :P
[02:10] <andreasvc> that's just what I did, in fact
[02:10] <swim> goatboy, they should have something though dont you think?
[02:10] <Dashiva> i don't think grub supports befs
[02:10] <andreasvc> and one can also easily install lilo in ubuntu
[02:10] <goatboy> swim: no idea.
[02:10] <Dashiva> i had a problem with that
[02:10] <Dashiva> you might try lilo
[02:10] <gatolas> that 5 year old crap you say boots faster than any other OS (even newest top of the line OSes)
[02:10] <Dashiva> ^^
[02:11] <andreasvc> grub doesn't need to support befs, as long as beos has it's own boot manager it can boot the partition
[02:11] <gatolas> Dashiva: what does it take to replace grub with lilo
[02:11] <gatolas> google is too full of results about grub/lilo, I can't pin any particular useful one
[02:11] <gatolas> Any links? Or should I synaptic it?
[02:12] <andreasvc> gatolas: apt-get install lilo, make a proper lilo.conf or use the old one, and then sudo lilo
[02:12] <gatolas> andreasvc: with lilo, I just needed to put hda3 there and it worked
[02:12] <gatolas> andreasvc: I'mr writing that down, thanks
[02:12] <Dashiva> that should work
[02:13] <Dashiva> lilo seems to boot anything..even reiser4
[02:13] <andreasvc> you can do such things with grub too
[02:13] <andreasvc> look at the bottom of the grub config
[02:13] <andreasvc> the one where you don't supply a kernel but just boot the partition
[02:13] <Randomize> Has anyone here played (and played successfully) with getting the radeon framebuffer kernel module working in harmony with the fglrx drivers for X?  Or is that just bad voodoo by any measure?
[02:13] <Dashiva> gatolas, you might throw rootnoverify and then chainloader +1 into there
[02:14] <Dashiva> in grub at least
[02:14] <Dashiva> that might work
[02:14] <gatolas> you mean grub can't boot reiserfs?
[02:14] <Dashiva> it can boot 3 not 4
[02:14] <gatolas> Gee, to think I almost choose reiserfs with this install, just to test it out
[02:14] <andreasvc> but I suppose he's not using reiser4
[02:14] <Dashiva> ubuntu only supports 3
[02:14] <swim> what do I type to install a .deb package?
[02:14] <andreasvc> reiserfs is actually very very good
[02:15] <andreasvc> I use it on all my boxes
[02:15] <LinuxJones> swim, dpkg -i <package>
[02:15] <gatolas> I accepted the grub default, because I kept hearing how superior to lilo it was.
[02:15] <andreasvc> yeah it has advantages
[02:15] <swim> thank LinuxJones
[02:15] <LinuxJones> swim, ;)
[02:16] <Dashiva> i like grub because you don't have to reinstall it every time you change kernels
[02:16] <andreasvc> I think the menu looks nicer
[02:17] <gatolas> oh. Interesting advantages. Though bootrecord hasn't been replaced through several distro-whoring sessions, and the default menu in grub is ... hidden
[02:17] <gatolas> I will google some more on it
[02:17] <gatolas> see ya
[02:17] <gatolas> Thanks Dashiva and all
[02:18] <Dashiva> np
[02:18] <Dashiva> and beos > *
[02:18] <swim> anyone please? getting this error trying install this game package: http://pastebin.com/110074
[02:18] <Dashiva> swim, what's it say
[02:18] <Dashiva> ugh
[02:19] <Dashiva> you'll have to manually dl java
[02:19] <LinuxJones> swim, you need java
[02:19] <gatolas> Dashiva: stop mocking my OS preferences :( . Hey everyone here is using a "rebel" OS after all... ;)
[02:19] <Dashiva> nah i love beos
[02:19] <swim> freecol depends on j2re1.4 | java2-runtime; however:
[02:19] <swim>   Package j2re1.4 is not installed.
[02:19] <swim>   Package java2-runtime is not installed.
[02:19] <swim>   and other stuff but Ihave, the free version of java sdk installed (through synaptic)
[02:19] <Dashiva> it's on my harddrive...just won't boot
[02:19] <gatolas> its grub I tell ya ;)
[02:19] <Randomize> No rebel OS here.  DeathStar 4.5 all the way, baby!
[02:19] <andreasvc> swim, the free version won't do
[02:19] <Dashiva> for me it's Nforce2 DMA
[02:20] <Dashiva> on the harddisks
[02:20] <andreasvc> they want extra proprietary sun stuff
[02:20] <gatolas> Dashiva: I'll find the way to lilo it and come back rescue you :-D
[02:20] <JanneM> swim: you will probably need to go to Sun's site and download it from there and install manually
[02:20] <swim> andreasvc, even just to install ?
[02:20] <smo> while I really don't want to reopen that particular can of worms, can anyone confirm for me wether the live-i386 image contains the "old" or "new" artwork please?
[02:20] <gatolas> bye
[02:20] <andreasvc> swim, well iff it wouldn't work after installing what's the point!?
[02:20] <swim> problem is I cannot figure out what to use for x86_64 amd64...
[02:20] <JanneM> smo: the idea is, I believe that the "new" artwork will not be the default
[02:21] <JanneM> we're all running prereleases, so shouldn't be surprised by glitches
[02:23] <smo> nm, I'll just reboot and dogfood it.  I really don't want to discuss the merits of it, it'd appear that's been done to death lol .. I just want to know what to expect, as I plan to use it with an audience tomorrow
[02:23] <GOwin> can anyone tell me why the mpg videos i play in ubuntu doesn't look as good in windows?
[02:25] <cardador> GOwin: maybe you wanted to say "as good as in windows"? :)
[02:27] <ixus> time for bed
[02:27] <GOwin> yeah that's what i mean. :)
[02:28] <cardador> GOwin: have you installed win32 codecs?
[02:29] <gatolas> Dashiva: I'm in BeOS right now. I'm here to tell you that your grub edit suggestion worked
[02:29] <Dashiva> cool
[02:29] <gatolas> Dashiva: I added "chainloader +1", and just in case, removed the line "boot"
[02:29] <gatolas> Dashiva: thanks
[02:30] <gatolas> Dashiva: apparently removing rw in favor of auto blocks "recognition" of normal folders
[02:30] <Phr0stByte> Dont suppose anyone has a Wacom drawing tablet working, do they?
[02:30] <gatolas> I'll look into it in a while, gotta go now
[02:30] <gatolas> thanks so far!!!
[02:30] <gatolas> bye
[02:31] <lupus_> question
[02:31] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, I don't have a Wacom but here's a tutorial >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom
[02:31] <lupus_> why does ubuntu also include a amd optimised kernel?
[02:32] <LinuxJones> lupus_, the kernel is optimized to run on that processor type
[02:32] <lupus_> fedora hasn't got one because they say the kernel will detect the right cpu and then use the optimisations
[02:32] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: went through that - it didnt work for me
[02:33] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, sorry to hear that. Someone was here last week asking the same question.
[02:33] <JanneM> has anyone got Japanese input to work? I've been trying with the iiim packages, but no luck so far
[02:33] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: yeah - me
[02:33] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:33] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, lol
[02:34] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, I probably pointed that hoto out to you last week :D
[02:35] <Phr0stByte> yep - thats when I tried it
[02:36] <Aan> did anyone test out the new release?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, something like that you figure you would only need to load the module and away you go.
[02:37] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: One of these days, I will run into someone that has one working
[02:37] <Aan> where can I get the package list?
[02:37] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: I checked the kernel - the module is enabled by default
[02:37] <JanneM> input method install? anyone?
[02:38] <JanneM> *sigh*
[02:38] <Aan> what kernel does it come with? also does it include prism2 wireless support (wlan package?) thanks
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: for...?
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: ????????
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: ?;???t
[02:39] <Aan> anyone?
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Aan, <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 & prism2_usb.ko so yes I assume
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: What language do you want?
[02:40] <Aan> linux.. awesome.. my usb wifi didn't work at all on the last release
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Aan, give it a go ;)
[02:42] <Aan> linuxjones, anyway to get a package list?
[02:42] <WW_> Sorry if this is a faq:  Is the LiveCD still available?  I don't sit it listed in the download site on the Ubuntu web page.
[02:42] <LinuxJones> Aan, of the entire distro ?
[02:42] <WW_> s/sit/see/
[02:42] <Aan> yes.. I read the release notes..but it's rather lacking in content. :D
[02:43] <Aan> well, actually only wanna find out whether pilotlink and gnome-pilot are included
[02:43] <sabdfl> WW_: it's not yet ready for RC
[02:43] <sabdfl> we hope Friday...
[02:43] <LinuxJones> WW_, >> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/
[02:43] <Aan> sabdfl, the live CD?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> Aan, 1 sec I will look
[02:44] <|trey|> Aan: I know gnome-pilot is...
[02:44] <sabdfl> Aan: yes
[02:44] <Aan> treyl.. thanks..that'll do it..
[02:44] <Aan> so if I can get my wifi and palm tungsten sync working, I WILL SWITCH.. finally.
[02:44] <Aan> too bad, I'll miss Documents to Go for Windows.
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Aan, pilotlink=no && gnome-pilot=yes
[02:45] <WW_> sabdfl, LinuxJones: Thanks.
[02:45] <|trey|> Aan: Why switch when you can use both? its better to ease into Linux, dependence on something you are not yet familier with will frustrate you  :(
[02:45] <Aan> linuxjones, thanks.  I wouldn't be using it if it wasn't  ;)   still, I'd recommend dual booting for a while  :)
[02:47] <Aan> also, I keep using windows, only thing I'll ever learn is how to reinstall Windows for the nth time.
[02:47] <LinuxJones> Aan, you will learn alot about computers in general using Linux
[02:48] <Aan> linuxjones, I hope..but I would rather not learn about scripts and such.. no time..
[02:49] <jsubl2> where do i set my system_id so i don't get this error message when apt-get source build Unconfigured:  SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-.
[02:49] <LinuxJones> Aan, you can learn at your own pace once it is installed. Remember this is pre-release software and under heavy development
[02:49] <Aan> linuxjones, will i be able to apt-get distro upgrade once the final release is out?
[02:49] <|trey|> LinuxJones: actually, it was apparently released today or yesturday...
[02:50] <|trey|> So we get our CD's soon hopefully  :)
[02:50] <aitrus> the release candidate was released today
[02:50] <LinuxJones> |trey|, oh ya ?
[02:50] <Aan> read from distrowatch that RC was released today..
[02:50] <LinuxJones> |trey|, I was away for 4 days cool
[02:50] <Aan> I am downloading the copy right now.
[02:50] <|trey|> aitrus: ahh, osnews says Ubuntu 4.10 released, someone should complain...
[02:50] <LinuxJones> Aan, you don't have to dist-upgrade just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:51] <|trey|> ps, for those interested, gnome-applet-data and gdm's postinst scripts are fucked somehow...
[02:51] <Aan> linuxjones, oh..
[02:51] <Aan> hm, btw, who chose the background page for logon page?
[02:51] <Aan> background image, I mean..
[02:51] <Aan> :D
[02:52] <|trey|> LinuxJones: only different is: dist-upgrade is goes through major changes and new deps, upgrade doesn't.
[02:52] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: sorry - was gone for a moment
[02:52] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: Japanese
[02:53] <Aan> well, anyways, won't spoil for those who haven't looked at it.. but I must say I see some three-some interracial fetish...
[02:53] <jdub> |trey|: it says "RC"
[02:53] <LinuxJones> |trey|, ya
[02:53] <muldy> hi!
[02:53] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: my problem is, I get the iiim packages installed, but any gtk app will crash/quit unexpectedly when I try to change input method
[02:54] <JanneM> and I'm not really sure how to look for further info
[02:54] <Aan> well, dinner time..
[02:55] <Aan> will be back over the weekend when I gert some time to test drive the new release.. thanks people esp. the developers.... MOOCH~!
[02:55] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: ????
[02:55] <JanneM> Phr0stByte: about input method configuration
 JanneM: What language do you want?
[02:55] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: I installed it for my wife
[02:56] <JanneM> the iiim packages?
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> no
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> hold on
[02:56] <JanneM> scim?
[02:56] <staticactivity> how can i make the applications shown in 'window list' applet to be place in 2 rows
[02:57] <Phr0stByte> JanneM: im-ja
[02:57] <JanneM> ahh
[02:57] <JanneM> ok
[02:57] <JanneM> that one's now available in universe, though?
[02:57] <smo> staticactivity: It should do that automagically if the panel containing the list is atleast 40px
[02:57] <Phr0stByte> I installed from there website
[02:57] <PenguinBoy> evening, guys!
[02:58] <JanneM> ok
[02:58] <LinuxJones> PenguinBoy, hi
[02:58] <PenguinBoy> hey LinuxJones!
 ok, thanks
[02:58] <JanneM> im-ja is ok; would prefer iiim though.
[02:58] <JanneM> with im-ja, you only get it for gtk apps
[02:59] <GOwin> how do i reconfigure a custom ubuntu install so i could have a gui?
[03:00] <GOwin> or how do i start the gui from a custom install?
[03:00] <LinuxJones> GOwin, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do it.
[03:00] <PenguinBoy> yeah!
[03:00] <bloggsie> Is there a Real Audio player in the stable?
it is not working :(
[03:03] <smo> odd, that's exactly how it behaves here.  if I size the panel to 40px, it creates a second row .. at 60px it gains a third
[03:03] <JanneM> staticactivity: you need enough space for the font. If you hve a larger than normal font, you need more space
[03:04] <JanneM> staticactivity: also, you need more than one window up, or it won't show :)
 which font? i havn't changed any font
[03:04] <GOwin> linuxjones, i get an error = couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop
 i opened like 10 terminal windows but all gets listed side by side
[03:04] <JanneM> staticactivity: then I don't know
[03:05] <GOwin> i tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. was that right?
[03:05] <LinuxJones> GOwin, apt-get update
[03:05] <LinuxJones> GOwin, then try again
[03:05] <PenguinBoy> apt-get dist-upgrade maybe
[03:06] <tck> has 'synaptic' upgrade manager always been part of gnome ?
[03:06] <JanneM> no
[03:06] <jl> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <tck> or is it a ubuntu plus
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> tck: it is not part of Gnome
[03:07] <JanneM> tck: it is ubuntu and other debian-based distros
[03:07] <tck> ah cool :)
[03:07] <tck> thx, im converting mates
[03:07] <tck> have two on board already :P
[03:07] <GOwin> when i install the desktop, do i have the option not to automatically start the gui?
[03:07] <PenguinBoy> synaptic is reviewed in this month's Linux Jounral
[03:08] <smo> I plan to "convert" a local business owner tomorrow :o)  this is where I get flamed for jumping the gun with preview releases   hehe
[03:08] <LinuxJones> GOwin, it will start automatically but you can change that later
[03:08] <pedro_g> think i used synaptic a while back on a redhat distro as well
[03:08] <azeem> pedro_g: conactiva developed it
[03:09] <aitrus> smo: sometimes converting someone too early hurts linux advocacy more than it helps it since there are potential issues that could be worked out before the full release
[03:09] <PenguinBoy> amen!
[03:09] <GOwin> hmm .. still get an error: "couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ubuntu-desktop".
[03:10] <tck> PenguinBoy, cool
[03:10] <pedro_g> azeem: as i recall it wasn't integrated very well - very impressed with it on ubuntu
[03:10] <smo> aitrus: atm all he's looking for is a proof-of-concept .. he's so far been blissfully unaware that there was any alternative to unleashing XP terminals on the public
[03:10] <smo> so we plan to put a livecd on one terminal for a weekend, then sit down 'n discuss what it needs to be usable
[03:10] <azeem> pedro_g: I don't think ubuntu changed much, it certainly looks very similar to the one in Debian
[03:11] <GOwin> i'm running aptitude now. what do i select from there?
[03:11] <LinuxJones> GOwin, is apt searching your cdrom when you search ?
[03:12] <pedro_g> azeem: sure you're right - haven't used a debian based distro in a while.  liking ubuntu so far though - especially for a prerelease
[03:12] <azeem> yeah, ubuntu rocks
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> when will the stable be rel;eased?
[03:12] <azeem> PenguinBoy: next week it seems
[03:12] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[03:13] <LinuxJones> GOwin, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and comment out all lines except for >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[03:13] <PenguinBoy> I love ubuntu.....this is my first dip into Debian World.....and I really like it!
[03:13] <GOwin> i don't have an internet connection on the ubuntu box yet
[03:14] <PenguinBoy> ighly recommended
[03:15] <SmokingFire> well to be honest when I was using mandrake and was on the drake channel people would say drake rules, some on slackware, redhat and others.
[03:15] <swim> hi, trying to install java as per: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian   and have gotten to step 13 where I cannot do apt-get install java-compiler-dummy.control   help?
[03:16] <GOwin> hmm .. while browsing around aptitude i found "ubuntu-desktop" under tasks>unrecognized tasks
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> Cool! There is naked people wallpaper to match the Gnome splash!
[03:16] <PenguinBoy> where????????????????
[03:16] <LinuxJones> GOwin, can you get your internet up and running ?
[03:17] <GOwin> linuxJones, maybe. i feel lost with CLI. can you help?
[03:17] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[03:18] <PenguinBoy> thank ye kind sir
[03:18] <LinuxJones> GOwin, ok do you know what kind of network card you have ?
[03:18] <swim> hrmm damn
[03:21] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know why its called callender wallpaper when there is no callender?
[03:22] <jdub> Phr0stByte: because it will be updated every month
[03:23] <Phr0stByte> jdub: would be kinda cool to have a callender on it though...
[03:23] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[03:23] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[03:23] <Se7h> damn
[03:23] <Se7h> why this happens?
[03:25] <spaaz9> hi all, I'm having a problem, and hoping someone can help.  I can't get X to start.  I have an nVidia pci card, but my onboard video is detected.  on boot, it says ignoring pci display device on PCI:01:0e.0  Changing my driver to nVidia doesn't help any... gdm still won't start.  How do I fix this so that my pci card is loaded?
[03:26] <punkass> spaaz: do you have to turn your onboard video off in the bios?
[03:26] <spaaz9> yes
[03:27] <PenguinBoy> my wallpaper will not change
[03:27] <punkass> in your x86config file are you calling the driver 'nvidia' or 'nVidia'?
[03:28] <spaaz9> The only time I've had this problem before is when Lycoris Desktop/LX detected my onboard, but by selecting the nvidia driver, it worked.  I've never seen my pci card ignored during boot.  I think it has to do with the way the installer detected my components.
[03:28] <spaaz9> punkass nvidia
[03:28] <punkass> hmm
[03:29] <PenguinBoy> phrostbyte how do I change backgrounds?
[03:29] <spaaz9> I know.. it's weird.  I've never encountered this problem, and I've used over 10 different distros
[03:29] <punkass> does lcpci  list your nvidia card?
[03:29] <spaaz9> yes
[03:29] <punkass> you cant  modprobe nvidia  then restart X?
[03:30] <spaaz9> you meant lspci...   lemme try modprobe.. just a sec.
[03:30] <punkass> sorry yes i did :)
[03:30] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: Your using Gnome?
[03:30] <punkass> you have to edit /etc/modules and add   nvidia  to it so it loads the nvidia driver on boot up
[03:30] <PenguinBoy> yes
[03:31] <spaaz9> hmmm... when I startx, it says no screens found...
[03:31] <spaaz9> ok.. lemme try that.
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> I left clicked on the desktop.......clicked on the calendar wallpaper....but still seeign the ubuntu default
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: right-click the desktop and choose the last optin
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> did that
[03:31] <PenguinBoy> then............
[03:31] <punkass> PenguinBoy: did u logout after updating?
[03:31] <spaaz9> punkass it's already in there.  nvidia loads on boot.
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> nope
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> brb
[03:32] <Phr0stByte> -P
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> DUH
[03:32] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:32] <punkass> spaaz9: sorry man not sure...have to wait for someone smarter :)
[03:32] <spaaz9> alright.. thanks for your help.
[03:32] <punkass> np
[03:33] <defendguin> hey punkass
[03:33] <punkass> sup
[03:33] <spaaz9> I posted on the ubuntuforums.org, so hopefully someone gets back to me
[03:33] <defendguin> are you using that icon?
[03:33] <punkass> oh the forums are up?
[03:33] <punkass> cool
[03:33] <punkass> spaaz9: well if you hang around here for a bit..i am sure someone will be able to help
[03:33] <PenguinBoy> back
[03:34] <punkass> defendguin: whats up?
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: got the naked people?
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> yeah
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> lol
[03:34] <spaaz9> punkass I hope so.  I mean, I'm using ubuntu right now.. Just with no GUI
[03:34] <spaaz9> Good thing I'm handy with the command line
[03:34] <punkass> doh.
[03:34] <PenguinBoy> so this desktop will change every month?
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: yep
[03:35] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> PenguinBoy: yeah - kinda saves ya the trouble, dont it?
[03:36] <PenguinBoy> neat idea!
[03:36] <punkass> defendguin: sorry missed your question, not yet, only because i havent really had any time to work on it
[03:36] <punkass> defendguin: i am hoping to get some time in the next couple o days
[03:37] <spaaz9> brb
[03:41] <LinuxJones> night all sleepy time !!
[03:42] <defendguin> punkass im still trying to perfect my icon drawing craft so let me know what you need
[03:42] <punkass> defendguin: ok will do thanks... i am still trying to perfect my python code writing :)
[03:43] <defendguin> hehe
[03:43] <defendguin> its not a bad app
[03:43] <defendguin> maybe could use a better UI
[03:43] <punkass> yeah it could
[03:44] <defendguin> like some sort of saved profiles
[03:44] <punkass> i would really like to make it an applet..but i think ill try to get the code working better first
[03:44] <D1-> does anyone know where I could possibly download the ubuntu icon set?
[03:44] <punkass> well it does remeber essids and keys
[03:44] <defendguin> punkass why an applet?
[03:44] <Phr0stByte> D1: ubuntu-artwork
[03:45] <punkass> just easier to access, and i could have it so that it auto scans and the icon would change if a network is found
[03:45] <punkass> then icon would change agian once you are connected
[03:45] <defendguin> there are way too many applets as it is
[03:45] <defendguin> lol
[03:45] <punkass> true
[03:45] <Randomize> OK, I'm following a HOWTO about adding truetype fonts to X, and it's not working for me.  Any suggestions?
[03:46] <defendguin> what about an application you run with a notification icon?
[03:46] <jdub> Randomize: computer > desktop preferences > fonts
[03:46] <D1-> Phr0stByte: thanks. do you know of an online repository that houses it though?
[03:46] <punkass> i am trying to create a python wrapper for iwlib so i dont have to deal with parsing stdout and stderr
[03:46] <Randomize> jdub:  They aren't listed there.
[03:46] <punkass> ooo that might be an idea
[03:46] <jdub> Randomize: click details, then 'go to font folder'
[03:47] <Phr0stByte> D1: should be the default Ubuntu ones
[03:47] <Randomize> Just drop 'em in there?
[03:47] <jdub> Randomize: yep :)
[03:48] <Randomize> Mmm, I choose "paste files" from the menu, then hit CTRL-R to refresh, and they still aren't there.
[03:49] <D1-> ahh, found it. thanks a lot!
[03:49] <Vertice> hey there guys
[03:50] <Vertice> wondering where i could find a package list ? like packages.debian.org
[03:50] <Vertice> i got my friend to install ubuntu, and i am trying to walk him through installing mplayer from the unnoficial apt-source
[03:51] <punkass> what not just use totem-xine ?\
[03:51] <Vertice> because mplayer is usefull for a great many things.
[03:52] <Vertice> and he is used to mplayer.
[03:52] <Vertice> and he likes mplayer.
[03:52] <punkass> ah
[03:52] <Vertice> =)
[03:52] <solowlr> i'm curious, will ubuntu come with KDE someday?
[03:52] <punkass> you can install it now i believe
[03:52] <Solkaris> lets hope not
[03:52] <punkass> but i doubt it will ever 'come' with it
[03:53] <Randomize> jdub:  I cant paste files into that folder, apparently.
[03:53] <solowlr> i like the "cleanliness" of gnome but KDE has some nice integrated apps
[03:53] <solowlr> :(
[03:53] <solowlr> like kontact....
[03:54] <Solkaris> solowlr then use a KDE based distro
[03:54] <solowlr> i like Ubuntu's philosophy, if you will
[03:54] <Dashiva> or install kde
[03:54] <Dashiva> it's not hard
[03:55] <punkass> Randomize: it looks like its a root folder
[03:55] <punkass> so u dont have permission as a normal user... (just my guess)
[03:55] <PenguinBoy> can you apt-get kde?
[03:55] <punkass> PenguinBoy: i believe so
[03:55] <Randomize> punkass:  Which only brings me back to my original question.  What's the "correct" way to do this?
[03:56] <solowlr> now that would be cool, i wonder if it would function correctly...
[03:56] <PenguinBoy> someone said the other night they installed kde and hard some trouble with ti
[03:56] <Dashiva> hmm
[03:56] <Dashiva> i dunno
[03:58] <punkass> Rantomize: well according to the help file that is the way to do it...hmmm
[03:58] <punkass> Randomize :)
[03:58] <Randomize> Unfortunately that leaves me where I am.
[03:59] <tck> PenguinBoy, its in the synaptic list anyhow
[03:59] <tck> about 144 mb
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> tck: kewl
[04:01] <pedro_g> whoa did an update and got a new gdm theme as well
[04:02] <jsubl2> I got cdrdao to build in ubuntu -- http://ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=1190#1190
[04:02] <jsubl2> cdrdao is missing for the amd64 platform..  it is a must have for k3b
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> what is the correct file now to apt-get mplayer and Real Player?
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> file name
[04:05] <Randomize> jdub / punkass:  Got it working.  Stopping and restarting gdm didn't result in an updated fonts list like the howto stated, so I had to force the issue with xset.
[04:11] <Vertice> mplayer is one of the top 3 applications i install
[04:12] <Vertice> next to firefox and xmms.
[04:12] <Vertice> it annoys me that it can't be distributed with distributions
[04:12] <Vertice> it's just so damn usefull.
[04:12] <PenguinBoy> how do you apt-get it?
[04:12] <Vertice> working that out now.
[04:13] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[04:13] <Vertice> from there  :
[04:13] <Vertice> http://debian.udsu.ru/.1/debian-soft/marillat/
[04:13] <Vertice> add that to your sources.list : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:14] <Vertice> and theoretically apt-get update apt-get install mplayer-686 (or -k7)
[04:14] <Vertice> however.
[04:14] <Vertice> they just updated it yesterday to packages that aren't part of ubuntu
[04:14] <Vertice> infact.
[04:14] <Solkaris> dont forget to yank totem-gstreamer and replace with Totem-xine also
[04:14] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[04:14] <Vertice> it's lovely that the packages haven't been pushed to the servers yet
[04:15] <Vertice> so i would hold off on attempting it for a day or so.
[04:15] <Vertice> anyway
[04:15] <dayson> I have a question about todays release can someone tell me whats changed in it from the last one?
[04:15] <Solkaris> artwork
[04:15] <Solkaris> =)
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> yeah!
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> naked people
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:16] <Randomize> The Benetton people are going to come hunt us all down! :)
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:16] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:17] <cdk> Hi all.  I can't get my new Ubuntu to boot.  It hangs running 'usb.rc'.
[04:17] <Solkaris> yea but you cant see anything .. you see more revealing pictures in cheesy ad filled magazines
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:17] <Randomize> I've got to grab fgl_glxgears from outside of the default source trees, right?
[04:17] <PenguinBoy> maybe next month they will be more revelaing LOL
[04:18] <punkass> anyone here use SWIG before?
[04:18] <PenguinBoy> nope
[04:18] <punkass> ls
[04:18] <punkass> oops :)
[04:19] <theprophet> Hi
[04:19] <PenguinBoy> Hey
[04:20] <dayson> I have a question about todays release can someone tell me whats changed in it from the last one?
[04:20] <theprophet> Does anyone know how long it will take for the cd's to come to Denmark?
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> artwork dayson
[04:20] <dayson> thats it?
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> pretty much
[04:20] <dayson> just how it looks?
[04:20] <Solkaris> Dayson I had like 11 files downloaded
[04:20] <PenguinBoy> change your background t the monthly wallpaper
[04:20] <Solkaris> hell man run synaptic and see what it says
[04:21] <dayson> dont have it right now
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> k
[04:21] <dayson> back on windows for the moment :(
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> boo
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> why on Windows?????
[04:21] <dayson> cs:s
[04:21] <dayson> games really
[04:21] <Randomize> So, I'm going to ask a question that I have asked a few times, and never really see a solid answer on.  Please don't flame.
[04:21] <PenguinBoy> si
[04:21] <dayson> winex = money I dont have
[04:21] <theprophet> Does anyone know how long it will take for the cd's to come to Denmark?
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> 10-15 business days
[04:22] <theprophet> Ok, thanks
[04:22] <theprophet> Where are they sent from? :)
[04:22] <Randomize> If I compile a working plugin for gstreamer and can't add that filetype to Rhythmbox, does that mean I have to remove the gstreamer / gst-plugins / rhythmbox software from ubuntu and do the whole smack from scratch?
[04:22] <PenguinBoy> hey jedi
[04:23] <PenguinBoy> i would say yes....but I am no expert
[04:24] <PenguinBoy> jeu ohmer
[04:24] <Solkaris> what do you mean add the filetype to Rhythmbox .. IE it wont play it?
[04:24] <Ohmer> re
[04:24] <PenguinBoy> night guys!
[04:24] <Solkaris> night Penguinboy
[04:24] <Randomize> I made a working faad plugin, and can use it with gst-launch-0.8 at the console, but Rhythmbox doesnt recognize m4a/aac files as a valid filetype so won't launch them / add them to the library.
[04:25] <Solkaris> Randomize got me on that one
[04:26] <Randomize> My understanding (probably flawed) from surfing the net is that Rhythmbox 0.8.4+ are supposed to be able to dynamically recognize the new filetypes after running a gst-register, but apparently that's not happening.
[04:26] <tom_> soundblaster audigy is full of static after installing lirc
[04:27] <Solkaris> Randomize not sure .. but if you actual pull open the Rhythmbox docs it says it plays MP3, FLAC, and OGG and thats all thats listed
[04:28] <jason> Anybody on AMD64?
[04:28] <jsubl2> jason, yeah
[04:28] <jason> do you have an Nvidia card?
[04:28] <jsubl2> jason, yeah
[04:28] <jason> do you have working drivers?
[04:28] <dayson> okay guys so if I installed last weeks vs should I bother installing todays update?
[04:30] <Solkaris> dayson hell yea .. get the naked people
[04:30] <dayson> lol okay thanks
[04:30] <dayson> really though is that the only good thing about the update?
[04:30] <Solkaris> dayson there where other updates
[04:30] <Randomize> Solk:  There are posts (largely pertaining to other distros) here and there from people who have aac working.  It just looks like they had to recompile the whole shebang from CVS to make it happen.
[04:30] <jsubl2> jason -- apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic nvidia-glx...  then add nvidia to /etc/modules..  then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change nv to nvidia.  then sudo modprobe nvidia.  then control-alt-backspace to restart X
[04:30] <Solkaris> couple of gnome files and such
[04:31] <dayson> okay then I'll do that tonight
[04:31] <dayson> you guys should me see me back on in about an hour
[04:31] <dayson> see ya and thanks
[04:31] <Randomize> I think I'm just going to have to dump gstreamer / rhythm and go to mplayer / xine for the time being.  It's probably just a "not ready for primetime" thing.
[04:31] <Solkaris> Randomize which would mean that the version that works is in CVS only .. so theres your answer =) bust out the compiler
[04:31] <Solkaris> later dayson
[04:32] <Randomize> Yah, rebuilding all of gstreamer, it's plugins, and rhytmbox is a bit beyond me.  As in, it makes me weep. :)
[04:32] <Randomize> Dependency after dependency after dependency ... :)
[04:32] <Solkaris> Randomize yep yep
[04:33] <Randomize> Plus, I don't know if I'm supposed to uninstall the existing versions that came with Ubuntu, first.  And if I DO have to, they're linked to ubuntu-desktop. ;)
[04:33] <Solkaris> Randomize I left Rhythmbox in place etc just added xmms for other stuff for now and of course replaced totem-gstreamer with totem-xine
[04:33] <Dashiva> yeah thta bugged me too
[04:33] <Dashiva> why is xine-gstreamer even used when it's buggy
[04:34] <Randomize> Normally, I'd sympathize with the people who go "d00d, switch to ogg!" but I hate having a multi-format jukebox and I have to stay with m4a for the GF's toys.
[04:34] <Solkaris> I honestly thought about yanking gstreamer totally .. but decided I wasnt going to break this install playing like I usually do
[04:35] <Solkaris> Dashiva because the gnome guys want gstreamer to work .. its just the pesky reality that at this junction it doesn't, but there is always hope
[04:35] <Randomize> Oh well, I'm going to dump this install and redo it again later, so I guess I'll see if I can fix my glibc problem and try to compile all of this without starting a forest fire.
[04:35] <Solkaris> goodluck Randomize
[04:36] <Solkaris> if you get it to work you should put together some .debs of the finished working version
[04:37] <staticactivity> i have a video file (divx) in which the audio and video streams are out of sync, is there an application to correct this
[04:37] <staticactivity> sorry if this is an inappropriate post
[04:37] <jsubl2> Randomize, what platform you on x86?
[04:37] <X0563511> need some help
[04:37] <Randomize> jsubl2:  Yep.
[04:38] <X0563511> I just installed Ubuntu from the latest warty ISO...
[04:38] <X0563511> it never asked me for a root password... now i need to login as root or SU...
[04:38] <jsubl2> congrats
[04:38] <jsubl2> X0563511, sudo
[04:39] <X0563511> don't you need the root pass for that?
[04:39] <daniels> X0563511: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:39] <jsubl2> X0563511, yeah read that   what daniels posted
[04:40] <X0563511> why was the password not set int he install script though? its not like it cant be done... debian did it themselves
[04:40] <jsubl2> read the link
[04:40] <X0563511> arg. why is that though?
[04:40] <daniels> X0563511: it was intentionally removed
[04:40] <X0563511> ok one more question: (note i havent tried yet so)
[04:40] <daniels> X0563511: a) for better security (people have to guess your username, then your password), b) people have a tendency to forget their root password
[04:41] <X0563511> i elected not to connect during setup (my wireless needs ndiswrapper)
[04:41] <X0563511> 1: can ubuntu access NTFS by default?
[04:41] <X0563511> 2: what do i do to enable updates again
[04:41] <Dashiva> if i nuke ubuntu-desktop what will that do
[04:41] <X0563511> daniels: well. that DOES make sense
[04:41] <Dashiva> it seems like it's a placeholder package
[04:42] <X0563511> anyone?
[04:43] <Randomize> I honestly don't know whether the libntfs is on the warty CD or not.
[04:43] <jsubl2> might have to check out http://ntfs.sf.net
[04:44] <Randomize> There's a ntfs package available from Synaptic though.
[04:44] <X0563511> trouble is im not IN ubuntu now (i need ndiswrapper for it-its sitting on my NTFS winxp drive)
[04:44] <jsubl2> the url is wrong.  not sure what it is
[04:44] <Glub> Is the Warty release candidate out yet? It's due today correct?
[04:44] <X0563511> well... i can mount a USB storage drive right?
[04:44] <Pizbit> Yep
[04:45] <X0563511> usually its /dev/sda1... will it probably still be that?
[04:45] <jsubl2> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
[04:45] <Randomize> http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/
[04:46] <X0563511> well... ill find it. ty for the help guys - i would have never figured out the root mystery.
[04:46] <Pizbit> X0563511: Probably, don't use ubuntu yet but I thought it automounts usb storage stuff
[04:46] <Randomize> It does.
[04:46] <Randomize> Firewire too, apparently, since I just smacked my iPod in.
[04:46] <Pizbit> Hehe
[04:47] <X0563511> well ill be back if i have any further trouble. thanks again
[04:47] <X0563511> <note- i noticed the battery and wifi signal icons... FINALLY!>
[04:48] <Glub> Is the Warty release candidate out yet? It's due today correct??????????
[04:48] <Randomize> It's out.
[04:48] <jason> How do I get Nvidia drivers working on AMD64????
[04:49] <jason> I have the nvidia-glx package but it wont load the module
[04:49] <Randomize> One of the many mysteries I've run into in the past week, I don't understand why they provide libfaad2 at audiocoding.com but not libfaad2-dev
[04:49] <jsubl2> jason http://www.ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=250&highlight=amd64
[04:50] <Glub> Randomize: Where do I get it then, it's not on the US server AKAICT
[04:50] <Randomize> UK server had the ISO earlier.  Dunno about spain.
[04:50] <Randomize> It's indicated on the website.
[04:51] <Glub> okay It's on UK just not US yet
[04:52] <Pizbit> When is the next proper release expected?
[04:52] <Pizbit> Roughly:D
[04:53] <Keybuk> Pizbit: within the next week
[04:53] <Keybuk> October 20th is the scheduled date
[04:53] <Pizbit> Ah sweet, I'll hold off till then.
[04:53] <ushooz> they changed all the art. I liked the old default Ubuntu art
[04:54] <Keybuk> Pizbit: it'd be better if you grabbed the RC and tested it, because the release next week is warty final -- and then it's a 6 month wait until hoary
[04:54] <Randomize> Yah, they just changed the default.
[04:55] <Glub> Pizbit: I'm in Welly too, could burn you a copy if you like
[04:55] <Pizbit> Oh, getting and burning isn't a problem:)
[05:00] <jason> ok I installed all the nvidia packages but when I try to modprobe it cant find the nvidia module
[05:00] <jason> I am using the default kernel
[05:02] <tim_> Can I upgrade to RC from PR?
[05:02] <tim_> or do I have to download the new iso?
[05:03] <tim_> mmmkay I'll go get the iso now
[05:03] <Randomize> From what people are saying, I think Synaptic is supposed to have the (11?) packages that changed.
[05:03] <tim_> hmm
[05:03] <Se7h> man, rhythmbox is drivin' me nuts
[05:03] <tim_> Yah I tried running synaptic, it found 4 new packages, and all failed to Download
[05:03] <Se7h> import a dir does work quite well
[05:04] <Randomize> Se7h:  It can smell fear.  Be careful not to look at it for more than half a second or it will strike.
[05:04] <tim_> muahha
[05:04] <Se7h> lolol
[05:04] <jason> man this would be sweet if I could get nvidia drivers working
[05:04] <tim_> wouldn't it
[05:04] <tim_> I haven't tried
[05:04] <Randomize> Se7h: You may want to go to a (i think root) console and run "rhythmbox -d" to see the debug output.
[05:05] <Se7h> jason just synamtip them
[05:05] <Se7h> ;P
[05:05] <jason> vesa drivers suck
[05:05] <jason> I did
[05:05] <jason> and I followed the FAQ
[05:05] <jason> it doesn't work
[05:05] <goatboy_> jason: what does `uname -r` say?
[05:05] <Se7h> no faq man
[05:05] <jason> sec
[05:05] <Se7h> go to synamtipc
[05:05] <Se7h> and download nvidia drivers
[05:05] <Se7h> they'r installed
[05:05] <Se7h> just restart X
[05:05] <jason> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8
[05:05] <Se7h> and voila
[05:06] <jason> unfortunantly it doesn't work like that
[05:06] <jason> se7h
[05:06] <goatboy_> jason: did you install linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8?
[05:06] <jason> i dunno ill check
[05:07] <Pizbit> Restricted modules?
[05:07] <ushooz> jason, you also need to add nvidai to the /etc/modules file so that it loads the module at boot
[05:07] <ushooz> nvidai = nvidia
[05:07] <jason> no I didn't goatboy_
[05:07] <Solkaris> and you need to change the driver for X that is loaded
[05:08] <goatboy_> do so :)
[05:08] <Solkaris> and enable GLX and kill GLCore
[05:08] <jason> awsome
[05:08] <jason> thanks
[05:09] <ushooz> aye and change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 change nv to nvidia comment out GLCore and dri make sure glx is listed
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:468 (04:07:46): loading metadata for uri: file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/My%20Playlists/porn_little.wpl
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_gst_typefind_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:421 (04:07:46): found type text/plain
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_gst_eos_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:316 (04:07:46): caught eos
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:544 (04:07:46): caught eos without handoff!
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (04:07:46): ignoring file file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/My%20Playlists/porn_little.wpl with detected type text/plain
[05:09] <Se7h> [0x8210e40]  [rhythmdb_add_song]  rhythmdb.c:945 (04:07:46): unsupported file
[05:09] <Se7h> sorry for the spam
[05:09] <Se7h> lol?
[05:09] <Pizbit> Se7h: www.pastebin.com :D
[05:10] <Se7h> rhythmbox trying to load img
[05:10] <Se7h> erm
[05:10] <jgeorgeson> anyone using KDE from universe?
[05:10] <Randomize> Nice playlist. :)
[05:11] <jgeorgeson> anyone?
[05:11] <ushooz> no KDE here
[05:11] <Solkaris> no KDE .. thats why I use Ubuntu
[05:12] <ushooz> I use SuSE for KDE
[05:12] <ushooz> Ubuntu = Gnome for me
[05:12] <jgeorgeson> yeah. I have one KDE app and it's butt ugly with the default themes. but for some reason the kde pref app has no configurable settings for me. :(
[05:12] <daniels> jgeorgeson: some people are, yeah
[05:13] <daniels> jgeorgeson: even if you run 'kcmshell style'?
[05:13] <daniels> jgeorgeson: (or just find the Style applet in kcontrol)
[05:13] <GOwin> how do i specify an ntlm proxy for ubuntu so i can download from synaptic?
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> daniels, there are no applets listed in kcontrol, that's the problem.
[05:14] <tim_> anyone know why BitTorrent won't work?  I installed the package, but when i run btdownloadgui it complains about not having libwxgtk2.3-python
[05:14] <daniels> jgeorgeson: oh, bong
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> tim_, did you install libwxgtk?
[05:14] <daniels> jgeorgeson: what happens if you try running 'kcmshell style'?
[05:14] <tim_> jgeorgeson, It's not listed in Synaptic
[05:14] <jgeorgeson> "kcmshell: WARNING: Could not find module 'style'."
[05:15] <theantix> tim_: use bittornado-gui
[05:15] <tim_> ok I'll try that
[05:15] <jgeorgeson> tim_, search google for it
[05:15] <tim_> jgeorgeson, ok
[05:15] <daniels> jgeorgeson: weird
[05:15] <theantix> tim_: you can find the wxpython library in ubuntu universe, but bittornado is nicer anyhow
[05:16] <tim_> theantix, yes I am a fan of BitTornado, I'll habve to DL that seperately then?
[05:16] <Solkaris> blah both those for BT use Azureus
[05:16] <theantix> tim_: no it's in universe as well
[05:17] <jgeorgeson> daniels, the strangest part is that if i create a new user, kcontrol works fine if it's the first thing i run after loggin in. not sure what is happening to break it
[05:17] <tim_> theantix, then should I add this universe as a repository?
[05:17] <daniels> jgeorgeson: that's really weird.  i'm not sure, sorry.
[05:18] <jgeorgeson> daniels: np, i use gnome for my desktop. it's just the one app that i use (apollon),
[05:18] <theantix> tim_: yes -- see this faq entry http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[05:18] <milkman638> hello everyone, does anyone want to help me configure sound
[05:19] <Solkaris> no
[05:19] <Solkaris> err maybe
[05:19] <tim_> theantix, ty
[05:19] <milkman638> I'll take that as a yes
[05:20] <milkman638> At the moment I can'
[05:20] <milkman638> At the moment I can't hear anything, I remember working w/o a hastle under normal debian
[05:21] <X0563511> Im going to rebuild my kernel in ubuntu... kernel <IP_ADDRESS> (the one with ubuntu is <IP_ADDRESS>-2)... there any useful changes that im going to lose?
[05:21] <milkman638> what command line options can I use to configure sound
[05:21] <theantix> milkman638: have you checked all of the mixer settings to make sure they aren't mute or all the way down?
[05:21] <aitrus> X0563511: there are quite a few kernel updates available for ubuntu
[05:21] <milkman638> everything is turn on and all the way up
[05:21] <X0563511> aitrus: i cant go online untill i get the source... ndiswrapper needs it
[05:22] <X0563511> aitrus: i can get it through windows though... links to the files?
[05:22] <Dashiva> milkman638, what app are you running
[05:22] <Se7h> lol this rhythmbox is nuts
[05:22] <Se7h> to load image files
[05:22] <Se7h> :S
[05:23] <milkman638> sound doesn't work through any app I've tried (rhythmbox, real player10, and whatever the default video player is)
[05:23] <Dashiva> what sound card?
[05:23] <aitrus> X0563511: archive.ubuntu.org
[05:23] <milkman638> sound blaster live (emuk101)
[05:23] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:23] <Dashiva> i'm running the same card atm
[05:23] <aitrus> X0563511: there are many different archives there
[05:23] <Dashiva> and pcm is up in all the mixers
[05:23] <aitrus> i have a SB Live, too
[05:24] <GOwin> how do i set a proxy for the ubuntu installation?
[05:24] <X0563511> link is dead
[05:24] <X0563511> ubuntu or ubuntulinux
[05:24] <X0563511> ubuntulinux
[05:24] <Pizbit> Dashiva: The main volume is up too right?
[05:25] <Dashiva> Pizbit, i'm not the one with the problem
[05:25] <dayson> Okay guys those naken people are over rated I was hoping for something a lot better
[05:25] <milkman638> The main volume on the volume control gui yes
[05:26] <tim_> omg where has this Distro been all my life?!  lol, this is amazing
[05:26] <eNiNjA> heh
[05:26] <tim_> what's the best way to do a quick sound test
[05:26] <tim_> I wanna see if mine's working
[05:26] <X0563511> find an ogg file?
[05:26] <dayson> I have to get rid of those people on my boot up how do I do that?
[05:26] <tim_> :P
[05:26] <tim_> ok I'll just mount my windows partition and open a file
[05:26] <X0563511> tim_: hit backspace on the term... you should get a beep i think
[05:26] <Dashiva> but milkman638 pcm needs to be all the way up too
[05:26] <tim_> ok
[05:27] <tim_> pc spkr, I believe
[05:27] <X0563511> tim_: not sure if youll get it through soundcard or the tinspeaker though
[05:27] <tim_> but that worked
[05:27] <tim_> :P
[05:27] <X0563511> lol
[05:27] <milkman638> geeeesh! I just notice that there are about 100 controls for the sound blaster
[05:28] <tim_> yah
[05:28] <tim_> about 100
[05:28] <tim_> I have Audigy 2 ZS
[05:28] <milkman638> I'm going to turn all of them up and unmute them
[05:28] <tim_> :P there ya go
[05:28] <ficusplanet> I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this question, but why is Bluefish still at 0.12 in universe when 0.13 has been out for 2 or 3 months?
[05:28] <bborkk> Does anyone know how to check the version of a driver?  In particular, my wireless card driver is the ipw2200 and I want to check its version against the latest release.
[05:29] <bborkk> ficusplanet: Debian packages tend to lag a bit behind.
[05:30] <bborkk> ficusplanet: Presumably, this is due to the time it takes for someone to update the package, although I'm not entirely sure.
[05:30] <ficusplanet> bborkk, Thanks for the info.
[05:31] <tim_> wow
[05:31] <calc> newest is 0.12
[05:31] <tim_> my Audigy 2 ZS works better in Linux than in Windows
[05:31] <calc> bborkk: btw does it work well?
[05:31] <bborkk> calc: What is 'it'?
[05:32] <calc> the ipw2200 with the linux driver
[05:32] <calc> i'm thinking of buying one for my amd64 laptop if it works fairly well
[05:32] <bborkk> calc: It works well in the sense that I'm doing this over a wireless connection.  But...
[05:33] <bborkk> calc: There's still no RF monitor mode support and my current configuration doesn't seem to play well with ACPI, although that may not be the driver's fault.
[05:33] <calc> what kind of problems do you have?
[05:33] <calc> oh ok
[05:34] <bborkk> calc: I do know that the driver reports errors occasionally when I close my laptop.
[05:34] <ficusplanet> Have any Ubuntu devs checked out Garret's new forms.css for Firefox/Mozilla?  It really improves the appearence of form controls.  I think it would be a really good/easy enchancement for the final Warty release.
[05:34] <bborkk> calc: Some sort of DMA problem.
[05:34] <calc> bborkk: oh ok
[05:37] <bborkk> Okay, no takers on the driver version question... how about this one: Has anyone succeeded in getting fglrx (the driver for ATI's FireGL T2 graphics card) to play nicely with ACPI?
[05:39] <milkman638> Dashiva: I've turned up and unmuted everything including PCM and I still can't hear anything
[05:40] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:40] <Dashiva> speakers plugged in and all that?
[05:40] <Dashiva> also make sure the oss and alsa mixers are turned up
[05:40] <Dashiva> there are tabs on the gnome mixer
[05:41] <robertbrimhall> hello
[05:42] <dewey> hi
[05:42] <milkman638> Dashiva: yep everything is plugged in and all tabs have maxed out unmuted controls
[05:42] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:42] <Dashiva> open a console and do a 'lsmod'
[05:42] <Dashiva> make sure snd_emu10k1 is there
[05:42] <Dashiva> you might also try opening a root console and doing 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' and retrying your apps
[05:46] <milkman638> Dashiva: snd_emuk10k1 is there, I tried modprobe snd-pcm-oss and still no sound, would I need to reboot linux after doing any of this to get it to work
[05:46] <Pizbit> Nah, once something is modprobed it should work
[05:47] <Dashiva> nah
[05:47] <Dashiva> hmm
[05:47] <Dashiva> i wonder if you have one of those emu10k1 cards that really isn't
[05:47] <Dashiva> i mean the logical conclusion is that there's something wrong with the drivers
[05:48] <milkman638> yeah, but I remember getting it to work using the emu10k1 driver under debian-woody
[05:49] <Dashiva> the only other thing is run one of those apps from a console and see what it spits out in the console as it runs
[05:50] <dewey> ok I forget how to unpack a .tgz file?
[05:51] <tseng> tar xvzf
[05:55] <GOwin> help. i can browse to internet sites but i cannot downoad synaptic packages. :(
[05:56] <chevrofreak> hello thar
[05:56] <milkman638> Dashiva: hmmm... I just notice that I can hear music cd's just find (before I was trying an MP3, a variable bitrate one at that)
[05:56] <chevrofreak> SysInfo: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 | AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor 401.018 MHz | Mem: 93/192M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 3G Free: 1G | Bogomips: 788.48 | Screen Res: 1024x768 | Procs: 78 |   | Up:  21:56:52 up  9:19,  2 users,  load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.02 | eth0: In: 196.36M Out: 7.67M
[05:57] <opi> 1, 2, 3 -- testing livecd :)
[05:57] <chevrofreak> 4, 5, 6 works
[05:57] <Dashiva> milkman638, 10 bucks its a pcm slider somewhere then
[05:57] <chevrofreak> ubuntu is da poop
[05:58] <opi> I have to say this
[05:58] <opi> Ubuntu is first LiveCD that found my gf network WiFi card
[05:58] <chevrofreak> tried knoppix?
[05:58] <opi> didn't work ;p
[05:58] <chevrofreak> suck
[05:59] <chevrofreak> ubuntu had drivers for every piece of hardware in my POS
[05:59] <opi> Well, I was just checking anyway, she don't want Slackware, Debian or Gentoo ;)
[05:59] <opi> seems so also for my desktop box
[06:00] <chevrofreak> i'm not a linux gy, but Ubuntu definately might change that
[06:01] <opi> nice to hear that
[06:01] <opi> chevrofreak, im testing Ubuntu for my friend who also want to try Linux experience
[06:01] <bborkk> yeah, we all say that.
[06:02] <chevrofreak> i have had previous linux experience though, which did help me out in installing ubuntu
[06:02] <tvon> sooooo, who came up with the new artwork?
[06:02] <chevrofreak> slackware kicked my ass
[06:02] <punkass> hey bborkk
[06:02] <opi> chevrofreak, Im lucky, because Im running Linux since fey years ;)
[06:02] <bborkk> punkass: word up.
[06:03] <punkass> bborkk: trying to figure out how to create this wrapper
[06:03] <dayson> hey do I search for a program? I think it installed but I'm not sure and I cant remember the command for it
[06:03] <lobo_nz> I just installed ubuntu, updating from the net as I went and gnome dosn't seem to load, I have naked people smiling at me and a cursor but no gnome
[06:03] <tvon> cmon, fess up...who's the dirty little hacker?
[06:03] <bborkk> punkass: Wrapper for pyfi?
[06:03] <punkass> bborkk: found something called SWIG that will generate a python wrapper from C code
[06:03] <punkass> yeah
[06:04] <bborkk> punkass: for or from C code?
[06:04] <punkass> from C
[06:04] <punkass> well for i gues
[06:04] <punkass> s
[06:04] <punkass> lol
[06:04] <punkass> it will allow me to import a python module that will interface with iwlib.c
[06:04] <chevrofreak> does apt-get upgrade upgrade the kernel too?
[06:05] <Dashiva> yeh
[06:05] <chevrofreak> spiffy
[06:05] <Dashiva> indeed
[06:05] <bborkk> punkass: Okay.  I've never used SWIG, but I hear it's what you want for that situation.  (I'd call it a wrapper for C code, but eh.)
[06:05] <chevrofreak> woohoo, someone else that uses that word :P
[06:06] <chevrofreak> i've watched too much Stargate
[06:06] <punkass> yeah 'for'
[06:06] <bborkk> chevrofreak: eh?
[06:06] <chevrofreak> "indeed"
[06:06] <opi> bborkk, ,,spiffy'' ;)
[06:07] <bborkk> punkass: You can't call iwlib through a system call?
[06:07] <punkass> not sure.
[06:07] <milkman638> Okay what's going on, I've double checked every audio control, I've tried play mp3's ogg's wav's and cd's, and only cd audio works
[06:08] <punkass> i had to go get the wireless tools source...as iwlib is nowhere to be found on ubuntu
[06:08] <chevrofreak> milkman638, what audio player are you using?
[06:09] <milkman638> trying in realplayer 10, rhythmbox, and totern
[06:09] <chevrofreak> hmm
[06:09] <chevrofreak> i use Rhythmbox 0.8.5
[06:09] <chevrofreak> no problems yet
[06:09] <Pizbit> cd audio probably works cause it uses a cable form the cd drive to the sound card.
[06:09] <bborkk> punkass: Huh.  Yeah, apt-cache search iwlib doesn't turn up anything.
[06:10] <chevrofreak> you running gnome?
[06:10] <ob> anyone know what i can do to get tuxracer working?  yes, i know it's not "supported."
[06:10] <punkass> milkman:  did u run   alsamixer ?
[06:10] <ob> but it if says /dev/sequencer not found, then there's a problem with midi.
[06:10] <ob> and i use midi frequently.
[06:10] <milkman638> gnome 2.8 (the standard ubuntu 4.10 ditro)
[06:10] <chevrofreak> gnome has they ghey little speaker on the panel as a volume control
[06:11] <chevrofreak> messed with that at all?
[06:11] <ushooz> anyone know the package to get esddsp from. Does not appear to be installed by default
[06:11] <punkass> bborkk: yeah...so i am wondering if its worth it...cuz what would the wrapper inteface with...for anyone that wanted to run pyfi, would they need the source code of wireless tools?
[06:12] <punkass> interface*
[06:12] <bborkk> punkass: Hang on, I'm almost sure I saw some Debian package with iwlib.  Let me dig around.
[06:12] <milkman638> I just ran alsamixer, all the volume is up but it's using my motherboards sound not my sound blaster card, how do I change that
[06:13] <chevrofreak> disable your onboard sound in your BIOS
[06:13] <punkass> bborkk: ok cool...tried looking on debians package search but didnt find anything
[06:13] <chevrofreak> onboard sound is the devil
[06:13] <bborkk> punkass: Debian package search blows chunks.
[06:13] <punkass> milkman: probably disable your onboard sound in the bios
[06:13] <punkass> bborkk: lol
[06:14] <kaplanfx> why is ubuntu already at version 4.10?
[06:14] <dayson> hey how do I mount a new moble hard drive that I turned on after boot up?
[06:14] <bborkk> That's the month it came out.
[06:14] <bborkk> ?
[06:14] <kaplanfx> huh?
[06:14] <tvon> yes
[06:14] <phlaegel> 2004, october
[06:14] <tvon> 4.10 is a date
[06:14] <kaplanfx> 4th of october?
[06:14] <kaplanfx> aha
[06:14] <kaplanfx> makes sense
[06:15] <ob> so... er.  no dice on the /dev/sequencer problem?
[06:15] <Pizbit> ob: oss emulation perhaps.
[06:15] <dayson> hey how do I mount a new moble hard drive that I turned on after boot up?
[06:15] <phlaegel> milkman638: you want the asoundrc I posted on the mailing list earlier to change your default alsa device
[06:16] <chevrofreak> milkman638, you know how to change stuff in your BIOS, dont you?\
[06:16] <milkman638> thanx phlaegel and chevro
[06:16] <milkman638> yep I do
[06:16] <chevrofreak> k
[06:16] <chevrofreak> if you arent using an onboard device its just better to disable it all together
[06:18] <bborkk> punkass: I think I found it.  The Debian package is libiw27.  It looks like what you really want is wireless-tools, which depends on libiw27.  Go to http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/wireless-tools for package details.
[06:19] <milkman638> okay now my next question is how do I get my wireless card working
[06:19] <punkass> bborkk: nice, thanks
[06:19] <milkman638> I have the driver acx_pci
[06:19] <milkman638> but no go
[06:20] <lamont> what sort of support does warty have for netgear wireless cards?
[06:20] <chevrofreak> any .deb packages for it milkman638?
[06:20] <punkass> bborkk: ah so by default ubuntu installs libiw27 but not libiw-dev
[06:21] <milkman638> nope I just no that acx_pci exists in ubuntu
[06:21] <chevrofreak> hold
[06:21] <ob> heh.
[06:21] <ob> tuxracer works now.  just no sound.
[06:22] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, that's what I remember... we need libiw-dev.  I even installed it the other day when we were discussing this.  C'mon neurons, you can do better than this.
[06:22] <punkass> haha
[06:23] <ob> i should give up and install linspire
[06:23] <chevrofreak> hum
[06:23] <chevrofreak> no ap-get install acx_pci so thats the extent of my solution :P
[06:23] <milkman638> thanks anyway
[06:23] <kaplanfx> milkman638: do you have wireless-tools
[06:23] <chevrofreak> i'm such a n00b
[06:24] <milkman638> yep
[06:24] <kaplanfx> milkman638: did you check to see if the module is being loaded, and what the interface is named?
[06:24] <milkman638> kaplanfx: the module is loaded, how do I check the interface name
[06:25] <kaplanfx> it should be in your syslog or when you loaded the module it should maybe have said
[06:25] <kaplanfx> I dunno about wireless specifically
[06:25] <kaplanfx> but I think iwconfig is the equiv to ifconfig
[06:26] <kaplanfx> so if you know the interface you can prob iwconfig up wlan0
[06:26] <kaplanfx> or something similar
[06:26] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[06:26] <Se7h> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[06:26] <kaplanfx> you'll need to be root
[06:26] <Se7h> busy with what?
[06:26] <kaplanfx> er nm in ubuntu you'll need to use sudo
[06:26] <punkass> sudo ifup wlan0   should do it
[06:26] <kaplanfx> Se7h: are you in the dir?
[06:26] <Se7h> no
[06:26] <Se7h> thats the odd thing
[06:26] <punkass> or  sudo ifup eth1  whatever your device is
[06:27] <kaplanfx> milkman638: yeah thats assuming your device is wlan0 or eth1
[06:27] <kaplanfx> you need to know the device name
[06:27] <bborkk> You can check interfaces with ifconfig -a
[06:27] <punkass> will it get added to the interfaces file tho?
[06:28] <bborkk> no.
[06:28] <punkass> Computer > System Config > Networking
[06:28] <punkass> will allow you to add a new network interface
[06:29] <bborkk> You can add interfaces from there, but we've trouble controlling them from there.
[06:29] <kaplanfx> bborkk: heh cool, I never knew about that
[06:29] <kaplanfx> I've never had a problem, so I've never really looked at the docs
[06:30] <bborkk> yeah, that's the only reason i learn anything.  :)
[06:30] <Se7h> how can i run that "first rhythmbox use" window to search for music files??
[06:30] <bborkk> it will be a sad day when things are easy to use.
[06:30] <kaplanfx> gah
[06:31] <kaplanfx> bborkk: then things will break, and the abstraction layer will be so deep there will be no way to fix things
[06:31] <Se7h> does anyone knows?
[06:31] <bborkk> i love it.
[06:31] <ob> Se7h: buy a mac.
[06:31] <Se7h> uh?
[06:31] <bborkk> Se7h: hang on a sec.
[06:31] <ob> should fix it.
[06:31] <kaplanfx> thats what I like about GNU/Linux, some things break, some things are tough to use, but there is always a solution, and most of the time the os gives you some feedback so you know where to start
[06:31] <bborkk> humbug
[06:32] <kaplanfx> in windows things fail and theres no way to fix them, most of the time you don't even know what went wrong
[06:32] <joem> Se7h, unset the first time flag via gconf
[06:32] <ob> i almost always know what goes wrong with windows.
[06:32] <ob> but i usually cause the problem in the first place.
[06:32] <bborkk> One of my friends put forth a compelling argument to use Windows...
[06:32] <Se7h> joem where's that?
[06:32] <ob> then again, i'm running a heavily kludged version of windows.  it should be its on distro.
[06:33] <ob> s/on/own
[06:33] <bborkk> He liked Windows because the frequent crashes force him to stop working and take a break.
[06:33] <milkman638> okay well to be honest I've already tried setting up the wireless card and it exists in my interfaces file, but iwconfig won't work on it
[06:33] <Se7h> ah
[06:33] <Se7h> done
[06:33] <punkass> bborkk: haha
[06:33] <bborkk> That's one argument I can't win.
[06:33] <bborkk> milkman638: What happens?
[06:34] <ob> i stripped wmp, oe, ie (left the core), windows scripting host, and a lot of services out of my windows iso.  works fine for me.
[06:34] <Se7h> ewrgg
[06:34] <Se7h> dam it
[06:34] <Se7h> im about to punch iut
[06:34] <Se7h> lol
[06:35] <ob> streamlined OOo, firefox, thunderbird, and winamp.
[06:35] <milkman638> bborkk: iwconfig up wlan0 returns " Error: unrecognized wireless request"
[06:35] <Se7h> [0x8210e78]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (05:34:04): ignoring file file:///home/seth/01-Ext2/Music/Justin%20Timberlake/senorita_300.asx with detected type text/plain
[06:35] <Se7h> [0x8210e78]  [rhythmdb_add_song]  rhythmdb.c:945 (05:34:04): unsupported file
[06:35] <bborkk> milkman638: Did you try "sudo ifup wlan0"?
[06:35] <milkman638> bborkk: ifconfig up wlan0 returns "wlan0: Unknown host"
[06:36] <chevrofreak> if you do Ctrl+O and try to import your home directory, what does it do?
[06:36] <Se7h> and rythm keeps "search" for music files
[06:36] <Se7h> emr
[06:36] <Se7h> well
[06:36] <Se7h> time to sleep
[06:36] <Se7h> take care
[06:36] <bborkk> milkman638: Type: "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:37] <bborkk> milkman638: What comes up?
[06:37] <Se7h> ah
[06:37] <Se7h> just one more thing
[06:37] <Se7h> what can i do about the "busy" device ?
[06:37] <bborkk> Leave it alone... it's busy.
[06:37] <Se7h> for hours ?
[06:38] <Se7h> lol
[06:38] <bborkk> Eh.
[06:38] <chevrofreak> is there a disk in it?
[06:38] <Se7h> its a floppy
[06:38] <joem> busy device?
[06:38] <milkman638> bborkk: it returns info on the file and the loopback device and my lan connection (eth0)
[06:38] <punkass> unmount -l /dev/fd0  should do it
[06:38] <Se7h> i just mounted it
[06:38] <Se7h> to copy a file to it
[06:38] <Se7h> now i cant umount
[06:38] <bborkk> milkman638: Okay, then your wireless device isn't listed, right?
[06:39] <punkass> Se7h: -l     Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesys-
[06:39] <punkass>               tem as soon as it is not busy anymore.
[06:39] <milkman638> bborkk: correct
[06:39] <bborkk> milkman638: Okay, go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking
[06:40] <chevrofreak> ok my turn for a question
[06:40] <Se7h> punkass thanks
[06:40] <punkass> np
[06:40] <Se7h> it worked
[06:40] <chevrofreak> how the hell do i configure my xvncserver?
[06:40] <Se7h> now, how do i format it in ext2 ?
[06:40] <Se7h> mke2fs
[06:40] <Se7h> for hdd
[06:40] <Se7h> what about a floppy ?
[06:40] <joem> mkfs.ext2 /dev/fdx
[06:40] <punkass> mk2fs ext2 /dev/fd0 ?
[06:41] <punkass> ah
[06:41] <milkman638> bborkk: wow, that was easy
[06:41] <Se7h> mke2fs: bad blocks count - /dev/fd0
[06:41] <Se7h> o.0
[06:41] <milkman638> bborkk: either your a genius or I'm a complete idiot
[06:41] <dayson> okay I have a question about my boot up graphical thing
[06:42] <bborkk> milkman638: No comment.  :)
[06:42] <milkman638> I'm leaning towards the latter
[06:42] <dayson> how do I change it so that the naked people do show up?
[06:42] <joem> Se7h, tried just using the gnome floppy tool
[06:42] <punkass> Se7h: mkfs
[06:42] <dayson> dont^
[06:42] <joem> dayson, close your eyes :)
[06:42] <bborkk> milkman638: Your wireless device should show up in the interfaces file now.
[06:42] <dayson> err thats not much help
[06:43] <Se7h> joem lol...i forget gnome apps
[06:43] <joem> change the background, splash image and gdm theme
[06:43] <joem> make sure to choose non naked people options
[06:43] <Se7h> formating
[06:43] <dayson> is there another one I could download some where?
[06:43] <bborkk> milkman638: sudo ifup wlan0 should also work now.  Of course, you can also try it from the GUI dialog you were just in, but that doesn't always work for me.
[06:44] <dayson> its not the login background image I fixed that one its the thing that comes up when you are logging in and its loading everything right after you put in your password
[06:44] <dayson> how do I change that/
[06:44] <joem> just replace it with another splash image, art.gnome.org has lots of them
[06:44] <bborkk> punkass: Any progress with libiw-dev?  Any documentation on system calls iwlib provides?
[06:44] <joem> there are probably other ones already installed as well
[06:45] <punkass> bborkk: still trying to use this swig to generate a wrapper
[06:45] <bborkk> punkass: Any particular reason to use SWIG over system calls?
[06:46] <punkass> just thought it would be a nicer implentation..to be able just to import a python module
[06:46] <bborkk> okay.
[06:46] <milkman638> goodnight or morning everyone I'm signing off
[06:47] <punkass> are you just talkin about calling the C functions from within python script?
[06:47] <joem> dayson, /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[06:47] <joem> gconf key
[06:47] <bborkk> punkass: Yeah, I just figured that perhaps iwlib had a command line interface.
[06:47] <tck> gone to deliver the rounds ;)
[06:48] <punkass> ah..i just assumed it was iwconfig etc..
[06:48] <bborkk> I don't know for sure.
[06:48] <chevrofreak> apt-get install freeporn
[06:49] <lobo_nz> Is there an easyway to reconfigure my screen resolution without playing with my XF86Config file?
[06:49] <chevrofreak> yes
[06:49] <Dashiva> should be under Computer - System Config - Screen REsolution in the menu
[06:50] <chevrofreak> ^
[06:50] <lobo_nz> Hmm - it only gives me a 640x480 option
[06:50] <chevrofreak> maybe you need to install a display or raphic driver
[06:50] <Dashiva> might have an unsupported vid card
[06:50] <chevrofreak> graphic
[06:50] <punkass> i am sure this question has been asked a million times, but why did they revert back to firefox 9.3
[06:51] <joem> stability
[06:51] <Pizbit> Eh?
[06:51] <dayson> joem: hey where is this file that I can edit?
[06:51] <Pizbit> PR release runs stable here:)
[06:51] <joem> its a gconf setting
[06:51] <Pizbit> More esecure too.
[06:51] <joem> use gconf-editor
[06:51] <dayson> where is it?
[06:52] <Pizbit> joem: Are they going to go back to 1.0 any time soon?
[06:53] <joem> Pizbit, dunno, probably when the official release is made and if it has no ugly bugs
[06:53] <joem> which I doubt it would
[06:53] <lobo_nz> My Graphics card was detected correctly GeForce4 MX 440, but my monitror is generic, I guess its too old
[06:53] <Pizbit> Ahh, I'll have to keep with my own install of it then.
[06:53] <Dashiva> lobo_nz, that would be it
[06:53] <Skif_> hooray, my cds are ripping properly now
[06:53] <Springah> what version of xfree does the latest stable ubuntu come with?
[06:53] <Dashiva> 4.3
[06:53] <Dashiva> patched
[06:54] <punkass> joem: thanks...just curious
[06:54] <joem> dunno much more about it, don't use firefox
[06:54] <Springah> cool
[06:54] <joem> but i guess lots of users were having issues
[06:55] <dayson> brb
[06:56] <dayson> damnit I still have the naked people there even after all that stuff was changed
[06:56] <dayson> even if its for two seconds its two to many
[06:57] <Skif_> they are not ugly naked people
[06:57] <joem> turn off the splash screen if you can't change it then
[06:57] <Skif_> but I liked the previous look
[06:57] <dayson> I did that but I'm talking about the loading part not the splash screen
[06:57] <chevrofreak> screenshot!
[06:58] <joem> that is the splash screen
[06:59] <bborkk> Here's a can of worms: what's really at stake when choosing between GNOME and KDE?
[06:59] <Skif_> THE FATE OF THE WORLD!!!!
[06:59] <chevrofreak> appearance :P
[07:00] <Skif_> or, at least to hear some people talk, you'd think so
[07:00] <chevrofreak> KDE has more programs too i think
[07:00] <ob> widget sets, applications, the overall cohesiveness of the desktop.
[07:00] <kalin> KDE is ugly
[07:00] <ob> kde can be made very nice.
[07:00] <ob> vis a vis: slax.
[07:00] <Dashiva> it was always a mac vs windows kindof thing for me
[07:00] <Dashiva> kde reminds me too much of windows
[07:00] <ob> i typically prefer kde.  ubuntu makes gnome tolerable.
[07:00] <Pizbit> bborkk: KDE is also a total pain to configure to your tastes.
[07:01] <kalin> KDE is appropriate for people who called htemselves "power users" on windows
[07:01] <kalin> tweakers.
[07:01] <ob> i hate GTK with a passion.
[07:01] <ob> so KDE is a logical choice
[07:01] <kalin> not something that you want to put a regular person in front of
[07:01] <bborkk> ob: Why?
[07:01] <ob> because it's slow and clunky.
[07:01] <Dashiva> and qt isn't
[07:01] <ob> QT3?  no.
[07:01] <tvon> heh, youre on crack
[07:01] <Pizbit> ob: That's all a matter of opinion:)
[07:01] <chevrofreak> fluxbox
[07:02] <ob> it's ironic that GTK for windows redraws faster than on linux.
[07:02] <bborkk> chevrofreak: Word.
[07:02] <ob> i'm not trolling here.  i prefer gnome apps by and large.  i just dislike the state of gtk.
[07:02] <bborkk> Is there anyway to make it faster?
[07:02] <ob> i think it's ludicrous that i should have choppy window resizing on a P4.
[07:03] <chevrofreak> a lot of that has to do with the graphics card i think
[07:03] <kalin> has this channel already discussed the default wallpaper and GDM theme that came out today?
[07:03] <bborkk> What license is QT under these days?
[07:03] <joem> I don't have choppy windowresizing on a p4
[07:03] <kalin> it does seem to vary widely with X support for the chip
[07:03] <joem> kalin, yes, it has been discussed all over the place
[07:04] <ob> bborkk: if i cared about licensing enough to allow it to affect my choice in desktop managers, i'd be using userlinux and kissing perens' ass.
[07:04] <kalin> the new XDamage extension in Xorg is supposed to clean up the 'choppiness'
[07:04] <bborkk> ob: Heh.
[07:04] <jason> how do I get DivX for ubuntu?
[07:04] <joem> read the wiki
[07:04] <kalin> joem: I hope the consensus was to move away from the Benneton look;
[07:05] <chevrofreak> i had tocomment and uncomment some lines in the apt thingy to get it to download some stuff
[07:05] <ob> i almost had a heart attack when i rebooted after the upgrade today.
[07:05] <chevrofreak> maybe you'll need to as well
[07:05] <bborkk> kalin: I call it pastel death.  It's sad, really.
[07:05] <ob> "half naked people on my desktop!"
[07:05] <ob> "and i didn't put them there this time!"
[07:05] <kalin> ob: my girlfriend was like, what's this all about?
[07:05] <jason> does anybody know how to get divx working?
[07:05] <bborkk> Oh, I didn't see this.
[07:05] <ob> my wife still doesn't believe that ubuntu did it automatically.
[07:06] <bborkk> ob: Okay, so how do I get this?
[07:06] <theantix> jason: check the wiki
[07:06] <ob> get what?
[07:06] <chevrofreak> i want to see these halfnaked people
[07:06] <bborkk> I don't have half-naked people on my desktop.
[07:06] <ob> apt-get upgrade and reboot.
[07:06] <ob> or just ctrl+alt+bkspace
[07:06] <bborkk> And how do I get rid of it once I decide it's horrid?
[07:07] <ob> computer -> system something -> desktop background
[07:07] <bborkk> right.
[07:07] <chevrofreak> screenshot!     I have friends from Idaho and New Hampshire.
[07:17] <tvon> ob: heh
[07:17] <chevrofreak> http://files.chevrofreak.com/pictures/UltiMAK/DSC01331_sm.jpg
[07:17] <theantix> ob, I hear MEPIS is a good kde-oriented distro, if you like that sort of thing
[07:17] <ob> SKS?
[07:17] <bborkk> ob: Knoppix had KDE as default, right?
[07:17] <ob> knoppix is bloated.
[07:17] <chevrofreak> Norinko MAK-90 AK47
[07:17] <bborkk> Well, yeah.
[07:17] <ob> like seven hundred and ten text editor.
[07:18] <ob> mepis looked neat.
[07:18] <tvon> chevrofreak: haha, you are a peculiar human being
[07:18] <jason> ok how do I install the w32codecs package on the AMD64 build of ubuntu?
[07:18] <chevrofreak> nah
[07:18] <lhb> did a apt-get update just now
[07:18] <lhb> awesome new look
[07:18] <bborkk> Just be sure to use the 'out of my cold dead hands' line with Linux, too.  :)
[07:19] <chevrofreak> hah
[07:19] <theantix> jason: that might not be an easy proposition :-/
[07:19] <chevrofreak> i say that about windows 2000 :P
[07:19] <tvon> dammit, what the hell is wrong with gstreamer?  I can never get video to work
[07:19] <bborkk> Dude...
[07:19] <joem> video doesn't work so hot in gstreamer
[07:19] <jason> why not?
[07:19] <joem> especially if you are using the esd audio sink
[07:20] <tvon> using alsa...I get sound fine in the movie
[07:20] <ob> you know.
[07:20] <ob> i should be a rebel and install kde, and then remove all vestiges of gnome.
[07:20] <bborkk> totem-xine supports more codecs, but at the expense of selling your soul (or something).
[07:20] <ob> i'll give ubuntu a real stress test.
[07:20] <joem> does ubuntu support kde outside of universe yet?
[07:21] <ob> nope.
[07:21] <chevrofreak> it would probably frighten you all to find out i have a concealed weapons permit wouldnt it
[07:21] <joem> I don't think it would count as an ubuntu stress test then
[07:21] <bborkk> Better than waving it around shouting at people.
[07:21] <tvon> heh, just keep it concealed :)
[07:21] <ob> haha
[07:22] <tvon> joem: I dont think ubuntu is ever going to support KDE outside of universe
[07:22] <aitrus> could we please steer the conversation back on topic.  there aren't any handguns in ubuntu  =)
[07:22] <jg__> daniels: you around?
[07:22] <daniels> jg__: 'sup?
[07:22] <daniels> just walked back in the door -- good timing
[07:22] <chevrofreak> http://files.chevrofreak.com/G17%20pics/
[07:23] <bborkk> aitrus: Okay, but the parallels between the 2nd amendment and what Linux is going through are stunning.
[07:23] <chevrofreak> <3
[07:23] <jg__> keithp figured out that we may be able to give you a toll free number to call (when we're hosting the call).
[07:24] <joem> tvon, no, it will
[07:24] <Randomize> OK, even when I build from source the bloody thing refuses to play aac files.
[07:24] <tvon> joem: oh?
[07:24] <chevrofreak> too bad Media Player Classic isnt made for lunix
[07:24] <ob> mpc is great.
[07:24] <chevrofreak> indeed
[07:25] <theantix> Randomize: it seems to play .ogg files just fine though :-)
[07:25] <Randomize> Theantix:  Come re-encode my entire library and hack my GF's iPod to play the oggs, and that'll interest me. :)
[07:25] <Pizbit> Hrm, the former of those two sounds simple:)
[07:26] <chevrofreak> i dig WMA
[07:26] <Randomize> Incidentally, even the people in #rhythmbox are telling me it shouldn't be necessary to recompile.
[07:26] <daniels> jg__: oh, cool
[07:26] <daniels> jg__: .au toll-free?
[07:26] <theantix> Randomize: can you not re-enc to mp3?  that should play on the ipod and in rhythmbox (with the gstreamer mp3 bit of course)
[07:26] <Randomize> So I'm like totally beflummoxed. :)
[07:27] <jg__> daniels: yup.
[07:27] <daniels> jg__: because I have a .au toll-free number here, but the rates on that are something like 25c/min, instead of 1c/min
[07:27] <Randomize> Theantrix:  I'd sooner scrape my eyeballs out with dead squirrels.
[07:27] <jg__> daniels: worth a try.
[07:27] <daniels> jg__: that would be totally ill :)
[07:27] <Randomize> "Reencode your library so you can move to linux" = not gonna happen for me. :)
[07:27] <Dashiva> Randomize, xmms plays aac
[07:27] <Dashiva> so does zinf...gstreamer...xine...mplayer
[07:27] <theantix> Randomize: hey, you're the one that ripped into an apple format, not me :-)
[07:27] <Randomize> I was trying to stay "true" to ubuntu's defaults, Dash.
[07:27] <Dashiva> bah
[07:27] <Randomize> And gstreamer is playing my aacs just fine.
[07:27] <jg__> daniels: don't talk about ill...  reminds me of why I'm awake at 1:30AM EDT.
[07:28] <Randomize> It's Rhythmbox that doesn't want to play them.
[07:28] <Dashiva> first thing i do is go straight to xmms
[07:28] <daniels> jg__: isn't everyone awake at 1:30am in their timezone?
[07:28] <jg__> daniels: not when you have kids that go to school....
[07:28] <Randomize> Well, there's not much point in my testing ubuntu if I'm just going to ignore what they give me by default and not try to make it work.
[07:28] <daniels> jg__: i have a little sister that goes to school, and I'm often seconded for that duty
[07:28] <daniels> jg__: sleep is for the daytime :)
[07:29] <chevrofreak> omfg
[07:29] <chevrofreak> good god
[07:29] <jg__> daniels: so I'm up uber late for me on (legal) controlled substances.....  Another kidney stone....
[07:29] <Randomize> Oh, and aac isn't "an apple format."
[07:29] <chevrofreak> i wish we had a Sonic here =0
[07:29] <chevrofreak> that burger looks great!
[07:30] <daniels> jg__: oh wow, that's no good :( i thought they were all gone?
[07:30] <jg__> nah, the cat scan last month showed another big one, now on its way out (I hope).
[07:30] <chevrofreak> kidney stones suck
[07:30] <jg__> also alot of tiny ones: they need to try to prevent them from getting big.
[07:31] <jg__> at least I don't think I've got other substantial ones queued up after this one, according to today's scan.
[07:31] <chevrofreak> nothing like taking a painful piss and hearing that "tink" against the back of a urinal though :P
[07:31] <jg__> chevrofreak: they sure do.
[07:32] <daniels> jg__: wow.  good luck with it.
[07:32] <chevrofreak> my family has a lot of kidney stone issues
[07:32] <chevrofreak> i'm only 22 and i've already had 2
[07:32] <jg__> chevrofreak: yeah, the sound of true relief (though they want me to catch them if I can).
[07:32] <jg__> chevrofreak: I'm 50, and this is #4.
[07:33] <chevrofreak> i just hope i never get one thats big enough to REALLY hurt
[07:34] <chevrofreak> my grandpa had to have surgery to remove some
[07:34] <chevrofreak> i think they took 6 out at once
[07:34] <jg__> chevrofreak: this one really hurts; I had to up my pain meds.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> all about the size of a bb
[07:34] <jg__> chevrofreak: that's not good.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> no
[07:34] <jg__> bb size you can pass; much larger, and it is a real problem.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> first time i ever felt the pain of a kidney stone, i didnt know wtf it was
[07:34] <jg__> these days, there is lithotripsy.
[07:34] <chevrofreak> its odd to feel pain inside your body like that
[07:35] <Dashiva> just be glad you live in the 21st century
[07:35] <jg__> Dashiva: damn straight.
[07:35] <chevrofreak> indeed
[07:35] <jg__> Dashiva: drugs *good*
[07:36] <Dashiva> yeah
[07:36] <chevrofreak> i saw on TV once the kind of shit they used to use to get them out
[07:36] <chevrofreak> jesus that looked more painful than the stone itself
[07:36] <Dashiva> manual removal of stones with no anesthesia...bad
[07:36] <chevrofreak> nothing like shoving a miniature boat anchor up your wang
[07:37] <wm_eddie> ahh!
[07:38] <jg__> chevrofreak: good luck with yours: not good you have them in the family, and at such a young age...
[07:38] <joem> http://www.urology-malaysia.org/k_stonef1.JPG
[07:39] <joem> I can't imagine what that is like
[07:39] <chevrofreak> http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/120935.html
[07:39] <chevrofreak> buddy just showed me
[07:40] <jg__> joem: enough allready...
[07:41] <daniels> hm
[07:41] <daniels> maybe we should possibly move the urology discussion, fascinating as it is :)
[07:41] <Randomize> Speaking of things which can ruin your health ... mmmm ... goldfish, candy corn, and bourbon.  :)
[07:41] <theantix> heh
[07:42] <calc> daniels: heh
[07:42] <chevrofreak> hmm
[07:42] <chevrofreak> now i want a beer
[07:42] <Dashiva> in that order?
[07:42] <bborkk> Are we still talking about kidneys?
[07:42] <chevrofreak> only one Newcastle left thogh :/
[07:42] <Dashiva> yeah...if we're still talking about bourbon
[07:42] <bob2> lets get back to complaining about the new theme.
[07:42] <Dashiva> k
[07:42] <Dashiva> i was going to load it on my mother's computer
[07:42] <chevrofreak> ok, my complaint
[07:43] <chevrofreak> not enough nudity!
[07:43] <Randomize> It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that fey looking guy standing between the two cute chicks. ;P
[07:43] <Dashiva> not going to happen now because of that
[07:43] <chevrofreak> hi Ryan :P
[07:43] <daniels> Dashiva: as I understand it, that background is not actually the default
[07:43] <Deathwind> hello roger
[07:43] <bborkk> Do we really need any more GAP in our lives?
[07:43] <Randomize> They aren't wearing beige, so it's not GAP. :P
[07:43] <bob2> wow, I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious
[07:43] <Randomize> Craaazy ..... coooool! :)
[07:44] <Jaramin> hi everyone... does anyone here knows if it's possible to disallow certain characters from being part of a file name in Nautilus?
[07:44] <Deathwind> just making sure you aren't destroying the linux users' sanity :P
[07:44] <bborkk> bob2: Don't tempt fate.  :)
[07:44] <chevrofreak> HA HA!
[07:44] <Randomize> Deathwind:  When did they get upgraded with that?
[07:44] <bob2> Jaramin: why?
[07:44] <Dashiva> bob2, it was...i'm just bored
[07:45] <Deathwind> Randomize, it's a precious rare commodity amongst us, all the more reason to check
[07:46] <chevrofreak> Ryan, i already showed them part of my gun collection
[07:46] <Randomize> Ah.  "rare" = "essentially absent".  I understand. :)
[07:46] <chevrofreak> seemed to frighten them a wee bit :P
[07:46] <gouhado> quick question: is it at all possible to install ubuntu from the iso without burning it to a cd?
[07:46] <bob2> gouhado: you could pxe boot it
[07:46] <gouhado> what is that exactly
[07:46] <bborkk> What's pxe?
[07:46] <Deathwind> I was thinking more along the lines of your manic-depressive bouts with samba and apt, but that too
[07:47] <Jaramin> bob2: well, to make a long story short, I'm making a Nautilus script that needs to process multiple files, which might have spaces in them. The only way I've found was to wrap each file name in quotes in the script, but then, if the filename actually contains a quote, the script will fail...
[07:47] <chevrofreak> HAH
[07:47] <chevrofreak> samba is kicking my ass
[07:48] <chevrofreak> and i cant figure out how the hell i get xvncserver to work
[07:48] <joem> Jaramin, why don't you just get rid of the spaces while inside of the script
[07:49] <gouhado> bob2 id be installing ubuntu from an xp pro box by the way, but im planning on having ubuntu take over everything
[07:49] <joem> thats just me probably, I hate spaces
[07:49] <Deathwind> chevrofreak, look at x0rfbserver (package should be rfb), it's probably more along the lines of what you're expecting
[07:49] <Pizbit> joem: What do you use instead?
[07:49] <Deathwind> instead of creating and exporting a virtual X11 server, it exports the current display over VNC
[07:50] <theantix> Jaramin: can a file legally have quotes in it?
[07:50] <joem> underscores and hyphens
[07:50] <joem> depending on the name
[07:50] <Jaramin> joem: can't because the spaces are actually the separators of the file names that Nautilus passes to the script :(
[07:50] <Pizbit> People who use .s are insane, makes it unreadable.
[07:50] <chevrofreak> sweet
[07:50] <chevrofreak> brb
[07:51] <joem> new_artist-track_name.ogg or something like that
[07:51] <joem> no need for a bunch of spaces
[07:51] <chevrofreak> damnit
[07:51] <daniels> um, for the script name, just wrap it in ""
[07:52] <daniels> so you call the script as ./foo "bar baz quux" "another file"
[07:52] <chevrofreak> i'll have to install it the hard way :P
[07:52] <daniels> that way, $1 is "bar baz quux", and $2 is "another file" (no quotes)
[07:52] <theantix> Jaramin: nautilus should pass the file seperators as a new line
[07:52] <clee> daniels: you whore. jabber.
[07:53] <Randomize> "[0x821e720]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:560 (00:31:46): ignoring file file:///home/adam/Music/test.m4a with detected type video/quicktime"
[07:53] <Randomize> Gah, sorry.
[07:53] <gouhado> so theres no way for me to install ubuntu over my xp pro installation without burning to a cd?
[07:54] <bborkk> gouhado: You could try a net install.
[07:54] <Jaramin> theantix: you're right, my bad, but can't separate them with grp then, have to use awk, and I need the file names to be in an array accessible from bash... it's getting a little hard for me :P
[07:55] <bborkk> gouhado: You only need a 3.5" diskette for that, I think.
[07:55] <theantix> jaramin: I write my nautilus scripts with python :-)
[07:55] <joem> Jaramin, what is the purpose of the script?
[07:55] <gouhado> bborkk: is there a page that explains the net install process
[07:56] <bborkk> gouhado: Last time I checked, there wasn't such a page, just a place holder for one.
[07:56] <Jaramin> theantix: argh, another language, spare me :P
[07:56] <bborkk> gouhado: However, I think it's just a standard Debian net install.
[07:57] <theantix> Jaramin: in python, you just split the nautilus env variable into a list, and pop the files off until it's empty -- very slick
[07:57] <Jaramin> joem: to get the selected files and sudo move them to the trash bin
[07:58] <bborkk> yeah, python should really be the standard language for shells.
[08:01] <Jaramin> theantix: you make it sound easy, but I'm just starting linux... trying to ease the transition from Windows with scripts
[08:01] <bborkk> Jaramin: Python is a great way to do that.
[08:01] <Pizbit> Python isn't that hard to pickup.
[08:01] <Pizbit> Fairly simple really.
[08:01] <theantix> Jaramin: use whatever language you feel most comfortable in -- I'm just saying I use python
[08:02] <bborkk> Jaramin: That's how I made the transition.
[08:02] <Jaramin> theantix: well, I guess I'll have a look then!
[08:02] <Pizbit> 525MiB for the release candiate eh? Small:)
[08:05] <punkass> bborkk: well i am trying ctypes now..allow one to call C libraries directly from python
[08:06] <bborkk> punkass: Never heard of it... is it a Python module?  What happened to SWIG?
[08:06] <punkass> i was in the python room, and a couple people said to stay away from it as its a headache and creates flaky wrappers
[08:06] <punkass> said to try ctypes or pyrex
[08:07] <clee> mmm. pyrex.
[08:07] <punkass> clee: you used it before?
[08:07] <clee> punkass: no. but another KDE hacker did, and liked it.
[08:08] <joolz> aaaaaah my eyes!!!
[08:08] <bborkk> punkass: Which python room?
[08:08] <punkass> lol
[08:08] <punkass> #python
[08:08] <joolz> jesus, it's like i wake up in the gym
[08:09] <bborkk> joolz: Ubuntu means "Gap" in Swahili.
[08:09] <joolz> hehe
[08:09] <punkass> i am wondering if iwlib gives all the functions we need tho
[08:09] <joolz> Just saw the mail on annouce about Ubuntu 4.10
[08:10] <bborkk> punkass: What doesn't it have you think?
[08:10] <joolz> If I do my daily apt-get update && dist-upgrade, will I be on 4.10 automagically?
[08:10] <bborkk> joolz: As far as I understand it.
[08:10] <punkass> well i am assuming all the calls are listed in iwlib.h
[08:10] <joolz> bborkk: great, thanks!
[08:11] <punkass> and there doesnt seem to be any scan calls
[08:13] <GOwin> how do i turn my ubuntu box into a dialin server?
[08:14] <bborkk> I thought I saw some scan functionality listed on the webpage you pointed me to.
[08:14] <bborkk> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html
[08:16] <punkass> bborkk: yeah the thing is each item 'iwconfig' 'iwlist'  has its own .c and .h files
[08:16] <punkass> which arent included in the dev package only iwlib.h is
[08:16] <punkass> i also may have no idea what i am doing :)
[08:18] <bborkk> punkass: I'm with you there.
[08:19] <bborkk> punkass: Looks like there is also a #pyrex channel.
[08:19] <punkass> cool, havent tryed pyrex yet
[08:23] <punkass> bborkk: just got mail from a guy who has written a python wrapper for iwtools
[08:23] <bborkk> punkass: A million monkeys on a million typewriters...
[08:23] <punkass> hehe
[08:34] <RuffianSoldier> I think its time i move on from the Ubuntu world.  I think I will explore Gentoo next.  It was a great Distro, goodnight all!
[08:34] <jason> has anybody got cedega to work on ubuntu AMD64?
[08:35] <calc> daniels: is ubuntu hoary going to be using rhgb?
[08:36] <jason> when will we see betas of hoary?
[08:36] <jason> I want x.org
[08:36] <daniels> calc: no
[08:36] <calc> daniels: ok
[08:37] <calc> daniels: something else developed in house?
[08:37] <daniels> calc: yeah, there are pages on usplash on the wiki
[08:38] <jason> Does anybody have cedega?
[08:38] <daniels> basically I think urgb is totally the wrong way to go, because it ignores the fact that gdm is started way too late in the game, and also, X is just way, way too heavy for that sort of thing