[11:25] <NoFate^> j-rock: how do you start apps in openbox then?
[11:26] <apokryphos> rose: I think that would be a good idea. You could always just download the DVD iso, if you've got a DVD-burner.
[11:26] <Panzerboy> hey
[11:26] <rose> apokryphos - no - no DVD burner and dial up modem!
[11:26] <dud> is there a way i could connect from my amd64 pc to another i386 pc on my lan, in a way that i can view mplayer on my amd64being played natively on the i386 computer?
[11:26] <Phosphoros> The horror
[11:26] <dud> if that made sense...?
[11:26] <Panzerboy> any idea why xmms only plays like, the first 10 secs of a song and then gets to the next in pl ?
[11:26] <rose> easier and better to buy mag or buy CDs from dealer
[11:26] <dud> through x or such?
[11:26] <apokryphos> rose: Yup, you better go for the magazine ;)
[11:27] <Panzerboy> and so on :)
[11:27] <rose> I sometimes wonder why I keep looking at linux when my winXP does what I need
[11:28] <iapx8088> dud, I guess vlc could help you
[11:28] <Phosphoros> Cuz Microsoft is evil?
[11:28] <Phosphoros> :)
[11:28] <apokryphos> Because Linux is so much better, provides you with much more power. Kernel is more efficient with memory etc..
[11:28] <dud> hmm, perhaps vlc....
[11:28] <rose> :-) yep - that is definitely part of it!
[11:28] <j-rock> NoFate^: with a menu that you get by right clicking on the desktop
[11:29] <Phosphoros> Sadly I have to run WinXP or I'd probably ditch MS all together.
[11:29] <rose> yes - but I need more time to learn apokrphos
[11:29] <NoFate^> j-rock: cool
[11:29] <apokryphos> It's infinitely easier to re-install other distros (with a /home partition etc), and install packages. Does Windoze have anything like apt or urpmi? ;)
[11:29] <NoFate^> j-rock: Just saw some screens, looks pretty neat
[11:29] <j-rock> yeah i've always like the minimalist window managers
[11:29] <Phosphoros> Apokr, windows update  lol
[11:29] <rose> apok - you run dual boot, or just linux - well not JUST linux ...
[11:29] <apokryphos> rose: Sure. Linux takes some learning, but it's not that hard. But, personally speaking, it's been by far the best decision I've ever made computer-wise.
[11:30] <apokryphos> Phosphoros: :D
[11:30] <apokryphos> rose: Sorry?
[11:30] <j-rock> the *boxes also run WORLDS faster that either kde or gnome on older systems like a p2 266Mhz i have ubuntu on
[11:30] <NoFate^> j-rock: yeah
[11:30] <rose> apok - do you run win and linux on a dual boot
[11:30] <apokryphos> rose: Oh, yeah, dual boot. Though, I dont' think I've logged into Windoze for well over a couple of months.
[11:30] <Phosphoros> Wow openbox is slick and tiny
[11:31] <NoFate^> *me need*
[11:31] <j-rock> got that right Phosphoros
[11:31] <NoFate^> I like the borders
[11:31] <Phosphoros> So OpenBox is something that runs in addition to gnome correct?
[11:31] <Phosphoros> <-- Newb
[11:31] <j-rock> my only complaint is that the menu file is in XML, i hate editing tags, once you get it set up though its easy to copy and paste entries
[11:32] <j-rock> Phosphoros: you can run openbox AS gnomes window manager, or you can run openbox on its own
[11:32] <rose> was an article recently that I saw quite by chance, and had read the first article a year or two ago by someone who was starting with linus - he's now converted
[11:32] <j-rock> its very cool
[11:32] <NoFate^> j-rock: Do you have a screen of your desktop?
[11:32] <Phosphoros> Once I figure out what the hell I'm doing in Linux I'll have to tinker with it.
[11:33] <Phosphoros> Something will burst into flames I'm sure but that half the fun.  Get the Marshmellow!
[11:33] <rose> I get really annoyed with MS and the way everything has to be upgraded at huge cost *all* the time
[11:33] <aztec> can anyone tell me where do I find unofficial ubuntu guide?
[11:33] <apokryphos> Phosphoros: Don't worry about it. There's plenty of Linux-ers standing by in IRC channels and on forums (linuxquestions.org) to help.
[11:33] <j-rock> NoFate^: not that i have access to right now i think maybe lemme check
[11:33] <iapx8088> ok time to study
[11:33] <iapx8088> bye
[11:33] <dud> ffs, ill just encode the file to a more open format with either a native i386 linux, or winblows
[11:33] <NoFate^> j-rock: ok
[11:33] <dud> easy to over-complicate things! :O
[11:34] <rose> apok - that's one of the neatest and nicest things about linux - the help
[11:34] <Phosphoros> Aztec - http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:36] <Phosphoros> I also like the fact that all my friends who are computer-like challenged run away from linux computers screaming.  Good way to have people not mess with my 'puter
[11:36] <j-rock> NoFate^: http://grendel.homelinux.org:81/gallery/Screeners/screener011205_001?full=1
[11:37] <NoFate^> 10 min until ubuntu cd is downloaded
[11:38] <NoFate^> j-rock: cool
[11:39] <rose> going to try the info on boot sequence again - thanks for suggestions
[11:39] <j-rock> NoFate^: yeah thats actually old
[11:39] <Phoenix_vanity> goldfish: you are the xfce guy, aren't you?
[11:39] <NoFate^> j-rock: How do you access the app you've already started?
[11:40] <j-rock> NoFate^: what do you mean?
[11:41] <NoFate^> j-rock: If you minimize X-chat, where can you click to get it up again?
[11:42] <j-rock> alt-tab
[11:42] <NoFate^> ah
[11:42] <j-rock> i never minimize anything though
[11:42] <NoFate^> oki
[11:42] <j-rock> if you use the scroll wheel on the title bar it, well try it
[11:42] <j-rock> see what happens
[11:43] <j-rock> NoFate^: http://grendel.homelinux.org:81/screener010605.png  <- thats kahakai very similar to openbox, i ran that for a good year
[11:43] <j-rock> its officially dead though so i decided to move on
[11:44] <brandoo> Hello
[11:44] <NoFate^> j-rock: k, checking now
[11:45] <brandoo> I've just installed Ubuntu and upgraded to hoary - I'm trying to compile mplayer and it needs xfree dev libraries -- but cant fine these - any one know if theres a .deb for them?
[11:46] <apokryphos> brandoo: just do an apt for mplayer
[11:46] <brandoo> apokryphos, thats no good - this is an old version that I NEED to compile
[11:46] <apokryphos> ok
[11:46] <elyseum> you can install the xfree dev libs with synaptic
[11:47] <brandoo> apokryphos, this is the only version with support for streaming from tivo
[11:47] <brandoo> elyseum, I've got xorg installed -- will xfree dev work?
[11:47] <elyseum> for debian those packs are called xlibs-dev
[11:47] <elyseum> don't know for that
[11:48] <elyseum> try to install the xlibs-dev
[11:48] <rose> well finally I think I've got the info I needed -now how to change it
[11:48] <brandoo> Ahhh - I'll try it, worst case scenario it wont work
[11:48] <elyseum> that did the trick for me
[11:48] <rose> 1st boot device - floppy, 2nd boot device - IDE -0; 3rd boot device CD/DVD
[11:49] <j-rock> NoFate^: the other feature of the *boxes and kahakai and such is the mouse scroll wheel to traverse desktops
[11:49] <j-rock> just put the cursor on the desktop, scroll, and you are on the different virtual desktop
[11:49] <NoFate^> j-rock: k cool
[11:50] <Phosphoros> Rose, Use your arrow keys ti hilight the first boot device and hit enter, you should get options for it OR when it is selected use page up or page down
[11:51] <Phosphoros> Change it to Cd-rom, hit f10 to save, hit Y for yes, it'll reboot, make sure the CD is in and Viola!
[11:51] <rose> phosphoros - thanks that is beginning to sound familiar again
[11:51] <Phosphoros> :)
[11:52] <spiral> hmmmm... Any new about smart battery support ?
[11:52] <spiral> mjg59: maybe ?
[11:52] <rose> :-) new computer last year and too scared to fiddle!
[11:52] <rose> anyway - off to fiddle now!
[11:52] <Phosphoros> Good luck
[11:54] <lj> how do i install cdrw softwere thats not for data only thats all i could find for ubuntu
[11:55] <j-rock> lj look up k3b?
[11:56] <Phosphoros> isn't that kde only?  Just read on the forums it trashed some guys install of ubuntu since he installed it ontop of gnome.
[11:57] <lj> i found one but it always wont install it tells me to type make and make install
[11:57] <flosch> hi
[11:57] <NoFate^> Phosphoros: You can run kde apps in gnome you know
[11:58] <flosch> hi
[11:58] <lj> how do you use gnome
[11:58] <NoFate^> if you have the kde libs etc installed that is needed for the app to run, basically, in the end it's just Linux
[11:58] <Phosphoros> NoFate, didn't know that.  :)
[11:58] <Phosphoros> But that's why I'm a newb and sitting in here.
[11:59] <lj> how can i find out if i have it
[11:59] <j-rock> check synaptic?
[11:59] <Phosphoros> No idea, is there a little foot in the toolbar?
[12:00] <lj> yes
[12:00] <Phosphoros> That's gnome
[12:00] <j-rock> ah i thought we were still talking about k3b
[12:01] <lj> ok but do i have an audio cd burner software
[12:01] <lj> becouse i cant find it
[12:01] <Phosphoros> That'll teach me to pay attention
[12:01] <j-rock> lj: check synaptic for that
[12:01] <El_Che> any problem with the new xorg in hoary (no software cursor?)
[12:01] <j-rock> search 'k3b' in synaptic and see if its already installed
[12:03] <lj> it says command line cd wrighting tool
[12:03] <lj> but my mom would never figure out how to use it
[12:04] <j-rock> i like k3b isnt command line
[12:04] <j-rock> errr
[12:04] <j-rock> two lines combined there
[12:04] <j-rock> k3b is like a nero clone
[12:04] <lj> its not there
[12:05] <j-rock> lj do you have the universe repository enabled?
[12:05] <lj> whats that
[12:06] <robsta> hi
[12:06] <lj> ok eplain how to get this k3b package
[12:06] <robsta> can i install php4 mod with apache 1.3 on stable?
[12:06] <IRCjoe> New dude...anybody who can help me with updating Ubuntu...directions?
[12:07] <lj> ah man i just did that 4 hours ago thats a pain
[12:07] <IRCjoe> believe it has sometrhing todo with apt...right?
[12:07] <lj> hey j-rock you still there
[12:08] <j-rock> lj just came back
[12:08] <lj> ok
[12:08] <j-rock> im at work so i get up and wander off every once and a while :)
[12:08] <lj> i just typed it up for you
[12:09] <lj> when i download it do i save it or open it
[12:09] <dud> IRCjoe, open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor. replace every warty with hoary, and then 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot'
[12:09] <dud> then do a little prayer hehe
[12:09] <dud> you'll need to prepend reboot with sudo too i suppose
[12:10] <j-rock> lj: here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[12:10] <IRCjoe> thanx dud will try and pray
[12:10] <Phosphoros> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[12:10] <dud> also read those links for good measure i'd recommend heh
[12:11] <elyseum> how can i set ubuntu to update at startup?
[12:11] <IRCjoe> thanx
[12:11] <dud> elyseum, with init.d or something like that
[12:12] <elyseum> k i'll check it, thx
[12:12] <dud> but i'd much rather recommend having it run once a day or once a week through crontab
[12:13] <dragonkh> I like it twice a day
[12:13] <dragonkh> seven days a week
[12:13] <dragonkh> and three times on a Sunday
[12:13] <dragonkh> ;)
[12:14] <lj> now what
[12:14] <lj> i follwed the instructions
[12:15] <j-rock> ok after universe is enabled, search synaptic for k3b again see if it comes up
[12:16] <dud> dragonkh, i try to keep up with security updates daily, and everything else about once a week
[12:16] <lj> unavers is not there
[12:16] <lj> i mean universe
[12:17] <j-rock> hmmm
[12:18] <j-rock> no universe where?
[12:18] <j-rock> did you enable it through synaptic or the apt-sources file?
[12:18] <lj> i didnt edit the file though
[12:18] <j-rock> i'd check that file
[12:18] <w0j0> please help me?
[12:18] <lj> but i dont know how to edit
[12:19] <Dark_Kyo> hello all!!!
[12:19] <w0j0> hello
[12:19] <j-rock> what editor are you using lj
[12:19] <dud> applications -> run -> gedit
[12:19] <dud> try that lj
[12:19] <w0j0> can someone help me with twinview
[12:20] <j-rock> gotta run it as root in order to edit that file
[12:20] <lj> ont know never used editor befor
[12:20] <j-rock> w0j0: what you lookin for
[12:20] <j-rock> i cap pop my config in here for ya
[12:20] <j-rock> s/cap/can
[12:20] <w0j0> I am lost as how to configure xfree86...
[12:21] <w0j0> I tried following the readme from nvidia and it didn't help much
[12:21] <j-rock> what part isnt working
[12:22] <j-rock> w0j0: i'd say get one monitor working before moving on to two monitors
[12:22] <w0j0> got one
[12:22] <Dark_Kyo> anyone have a url for optimizing ubuntu after a fresh setup?
[12:22] <w0j0> but it's not the right specs...btw they are both the same monitor type
[12:22] <w0j0> I.E. twinview dual FP displays
[12:23] <j-rock> w0j0:     Identifier  "Geforce"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Driver      "nvidia"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "NoLogo" "1"
[12:23] <j-rock>     #VideoRam    131072
[12:23] <j-rock>     # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "TwinView"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "MetaModes"  "1280x1024, 1280x1024; 1024x768, 1024x768"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync"     "57.6-82"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh"   "60-77"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "TwinViewOrientation"        "LeftOf"
[12:23] <j-rock> i run dual FP's too
[12:23] <w0j0> nice
[12:23] <w0j0> ok that looks like mine almost
[12:24] <j-rock> you might need to change the TwinViewOrientation setting depending on your set up but thats just changing left to right
[12:24] <w0j0> I didn't tell it how much ram
[12:24] <j-rock> that doesnt really need to be there i think
[12:24] <lj> my editor wont uncomint the two lines with univers
[12:24] <j-rock> lj: its probably because you arent root
[12:24] <j-rock> lj: can you open up a terminal
[12:24] <lj> how do i use edit in root
[12:24] <j-rock> i'll explain it
[12:25] <j-rock> root is a user, like the administrator acct on unix systems
[12:25] <j-rock> open up the terminal and type 'cd /etc/apt/'
[12:25] <j-rock> then type 'sudo vim sources.list'
[12:25] <j-rock> then just hit the down arrow until you come to the universe lines and put the cursor over the '#' symbols
[12:26] <j-rock> the '#' symbols are comment symbols
[12:26] <lj> didnt work
[12:26] <j-rock> and simply hit 'x' while the cursor is on one to remove it
[12:26] <lj> x
[12:26] <j-rock> what didn't work?
[12:27] <lj> 'cd/ect/atp/'
[12:27] <lj> bash: cd/ect/atp/: No such file or directory
[12:27] <_slice_> with a space
[12:27] <_slice_> cd means change directory
[12:28] <lj> you there
[12:28] <j-rock> oh
[12:28] <_slice_> you're not from troll magazine are you ?
[12:28] <_slice_> heh
[12:28] <j-rock> lj: cd /etc/apt/
[12:28] <j-rock> you switched the p and the t in apt
[12:28] <_slice_> and the t and c in etc
[12:28] <j-rock> oh yeah he did that too
[12:28] <_slice_> hehe
[12:29] <j-rock> !aixelsid
[12:29] <lj> bash: cd: /ect/apt/: No such file or directory
[12:29] <NoFate^> lj: cd /etc/apt
[12:29] <NoFate^> see the difference between ect and etc ?
[12:29] <Dark_Kyo> argh i can't play a dvd on my ubuntu i install the codecs and software for this and symbolic links it doesn't work T_T
[12:30] <w0j0> jrock just rebooted xwindows
[12:30] <w0j0> still not working on one
[12:31] <j-rock> what card w0j0
[12:31] <lj> bash: cd: /ect/apt/: No such file or directory
[12:31] <NoFate^> oh come on
[12:31] <j-rock> lj: ect is not the same as etc
[12:31] <j-rock> cd /
[12:31] <j-rock> the typ ls
[12:31] <w0j0> running an Nvidia 4200 128mb
[12:31] <j-rock> then type ls
[12:31] <j-rock> heh
[12:31] <j-rock> look for a directory called 'etc'
[12:31] <j-rock> then cd etc
[12:32] <j-rock> eeeee-teeeeee-ceeeeee
[12:32] <lj> now what
[12:32] <j-rock> cd apt
[12:32] <j-rock> are you in /etc/apt now?
[12:33] <j-rock> w0j0: hmmm, and it works with one monitor, what window manager/ desktop env. ?
[12:33] <lj> bash: cd: etc: No such file or directory
[12:33] <w0j0> resolution runs at 1280x960@60 monitor menu tells me I'm running at 1280x1024@60
[12:33] <j-rock> lj: type 'pwd' what does it tell you?
[12:33] <lj> ok now what
[12:34] <j-rock> uhh what did 'pwd' output
[12:34] <lj> /etc/apt
[12:34] <j-rock> awesome
[12:34] <j-rock> ok lj, now vim sources.list
[12:34] <j-rock> you should be able to type 'vim sou<tab>'
[12:35] <j-rock> hitting tab autocompletes names
[12:35] <snowblink> j-rock: don't forget sudo ...
[12:35] <j-rock> oh yeah
[12:35] <j-rock> snowblink: still not used to sudo yet
[12:35] <j-rock> lj: sudo vim sources.list'
[12:35] <j-rock> lj: sudo vim sources.list
[12:35] <j-rock> no ' thing
[12:36] <lj> im in but how to edit
[12:36] <will_> Hello all - Just installed Hoary!
[12:37] <j-rock> lj, move the cursor down to the '#' marks in front of the universe lines
[12:37] <w0j0> congrats will_
[12:37] <lj> ok
[12:37] <bonghi> Hi all, what if my ubuntu doesn't recognize my audio card (Via vt82c686) how can I be sure proper modules are there?
[12:37] <j-rock> lj: and when you want to delete whatever is under the cursor, just hit 'x'
[12:37] <snowblink> Dark_Kyo: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[12:37] <will_> Is the problem with the xorg conf file not having specs for the monitor, and therefore only giving you 640x480 a common one?  is it fixable, or is it just my computer?
[12:37] <NoFate^> doesn't ubuntu have nano or pico?
[12:38] <j-rock> lj: and then to quit and save the file type ':wq!'
[12:38] <j-rock> NoFate^: bah vim > *
[12:38] <w0j0> vi
[12:38] <lj> i made a mistake
[12:38] <pellywinkle87> hey... i've installed warty and the startup hangs after gdm tries to start. goes to console login after XFree86 fails to load saying 'no devices detected'
[12:38] <snowblink> NoFate^: nano
[12:38] <lj>  cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[12:38] <snowblink> will_: have you got horizontal & vertical refresh rates?
[12:38] <j-rock> lj: just type ':q!' and then redo that sudo vim sources.list command
[12:38] <_slice_> pellywinkle87: might not be your problem... but i had that when i had a bad iso image. did you check the md5 ?
[12:38] <will_> snowblink, I had to add them manually to the xorg-conf file
[12:39] <j-rock> brb
 is xorg any better then xfree?
[12:39] <pellywinkle87> i installed from x86_64 iso and then xi386
[12:39] <NoFate^> I just asked if nano existed in ubuntu, because I think it's much easier to use than vim
[12:39] <pellywinkle87> same problem
[12:39] <snowblink> will_: did that sort out the problem?
[12:39] <snowblink> NoFate^: yes nano does exist...
[12:40] <lj> whats it sopsed to do
[12:40] <will_> snowblink, yeah, added the VertRefresh and HorizRefresh in the "monitor" section, ctrl-alt-backspace et voila.
[12:41] <lj> you still there j-rock
[12:41] <will_> snowblink, I tried dpkg-reconfigure first, but I missed the "advanced" section where you can enter that sort of thing, I think
[12:42] <j-rock> back
[12:42] <pellywinkle87> does warty have probs with nvidia agp? i have radeon 9250
[12:42] <_slice_> radeon isn't nvidia
[12:42] <j-rock> NoFate^: yeah we'll install nano for him
[12:43] <j-rock> ok lj : issue this command in the terminal 'sudo apt-get install nano'
[12:43] <snowblink> j-rock: I think it should be there already...
[12:43] <j-rock> oh is it?
[12:43] <snowblink> j-rock: possibly easier to gksudo gedit
[12:43] <will_> sound question> I have two sounds cards an on-board c-media and a SB Live, how can I disable the c-media one (it is already disabled in the bios).  This seems to be causing me problems as I have no sounds atm
[12:43] <pellywinkle87> my mistake, ati
[12:44] <j-rock> snowblink: you want to explain that to him, i'm a cli junky
[12:44] <j-rock> i dunno what that is
[12:44] <j-rock> and i've never used gedit
[12:44] <lj> nano is already the newest version.
[12:45] <j-rock> ok
[12:45] <j-rock> well we are gonna try something
[12:45] <lj> ok
[12:45] <snowblink> lj: in a terminal type: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:45] <j-rock> ^^^ yeah do what snowblink says lj
[12:45] <NoFate^> hehe
[12:46] <lj> bash: qksudo: command not found
[12:46] <j-rock> lj: you can also copy and past by highlighting and then middle clicking where you want to paste
[12:46] <j-rock> lj: gksudo not qksudo
[12:46] <lj> i dont have a middle mouse button
[12:47] <j-rock> lj: middle click is left and right mouse buttons at the same time
[12:47] <dud> still havent managed to edit a text file? :o
[12:47] <snowblink> j-rock: any reason not to use synaptic?
[12:48] <snowblink> lj: can you run synaptic?
[12:48] <lj> ok
[12:48] <snowblink> lj: Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[12:49] <lj> yes
[12:49] <snowblink> lj:Settings->Repositories
[12:49] <j-rock> snowblink: he said he did that already i thought
[12:49] <lj> ok
[12:49] <lj> yes i did
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: uncheck the first line which says CD
[12:50] <lj> ok
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: and check the rest
[12:50] <lj> ok
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: then OK it
[12:50] <lj> ok
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: Press Reload (top left button)
[12:51] <lj> didit
[12:51] <snowblink> lj: what are you trying to install?
[12:52] <lj> k3d
[12:52] <j-rock> k3b
[12:52] <lj> yes sorry
[12:52] <snowblink> lj: Press the search button
[12:52] <lj> ok
[12:52] <snowblink> lj: Type k3b and search. :)
[12:53] <lj> its there
[12:53] <j-rock> awesome
[12:53] <NoFate^> ;)
[12:53] <NoFate^> of course it would be there
[12:53] <snowblink> lj: double-click on k3b
[12:54] <lj> ok
[12:54] <snowblink> lj: should list some other stuff. Okay it
[12:54] <lj> ok
[12:54] <j-rock> heh, i'm still new to the ubuntu scene, so apt-get and synaptic aren't my area of expertise
[12:54] <snowblink> lj: Press Apply
[12:55] <NoFate^> apt-get is originally debian stuff, but I guess ubuntu is based on debian so it works perfectly fine on it
[12:55] <NoFate^> :P
[12:55] <lj> ok know its downloading
[12:55] <NoFate^> Fedora Core also has apt
[12:55] <Xappe> hmm, what happened to the gtk themes in Hoary? lost rounded corners in industrial and the nice cursor
[12:56] <snowblink> lj: You probably have to download cdrao or cdrecord too
[12:56] <j-rock> NoFate^: yeah but my progression went like this FreeBSD -> gentoo (still using it on the main box) -> installed ubuntu on a spare box last week
[12:56] <NoFate^> ah oki
[12:56] <j-rock> still use the bsd's too
[12:56] <NoFate^> gentoo has a cool system right? emerge thingie?
[12:56] <_slice_> portage
[12:56] <_slice_> yes, it's cool
[12:56] <NoFate^> yeah, couldn't put my lips on it :P
[12:56] <bonghi> Hi All, I have a problem with my sound card, may I ask some questions?
[12:56] <j-rock> yeah, i'm a huge fan a bsd style ports so portage was cool for me
[12:57] <j-rock> apt-get is pretty cool though too now that i've gotten to try it
[12:57] <_slice_> portage does rock
[12:57] <NoFate^> bonghi: Just ask ;)
[12:57] <j-rock> definatly a lot better for an aging pentium 2 than portage
[12:57] <bonghi> it's just not working... :)
[12:57] <NoFate^> oh ok
[12:57] <j-rock> i couldnt picture a p2 compiling everything from source
[12:57] <NoFate^> hehe
[12:57] <bonghi> I've read that it should... it's a via vt82c686
[12:57] <_slice_> needed do it that way
[12:58] <_slice_> needn't even
[12:58] <bonghi> that should be compaticble with te via82cxxx driver...
[12:58] <_slice_> you can install a basic system and then compile stuff in the background
[12:58] <_slice_> but, yes, it's going to be slow on a p2 hehe
[12:58] <bonghi> how can i know if proper modules are loaded?
[12:58] <_slice_> lsmod
[12:58] <j-rock> yeah, even w/ a stage3 getting a working system would take days if not weeks
[12:58] <_slice_> will list the loaded modules
[12:59] <_slice_> lol, not weeks
[12:59] <_slice_> stage 3 is already bootstraped and has a complete tool chain
[12:59] <j-rock> well if i did it around the clock it would take a couple days
[12:59] <j-rock> to compile everything from source
[12:59] <_slice_> depends if you want gnome or kde
[12:59] <bonghi> uhm... it says used by 1...
[12:59] <j-rock> xorg and firefox alone would take forever
[12:59] <_slice_> on a p2 i would go with xfce4 for a de or something lighter
[01:00] <j-rock> if i wanted kde or gnome, damn, i went with openbox
[01:00] <_slice_> bonghi: so it's loaded then
[01:00] <j-rock> maybe alsa isn't unmuted?
[01:00] <_slice_> 'boxes are good for p2's hehe
[01:00] <_slice_> yes, maybe alsa is muted
[01:00] <j-rock> alsamixer?
[01:00] <_slice_> bonghi: type alsamixer
[01:01] <bonghi> _slice_: seams so... but in the device manager it says "unknown"
[01:01] <_slice_> and make sure you have levels
[01:01] <_slice_> what says unknown?
[01:01] <_slice_> i wouldn't worry about the 'device manager' too much
[01:01] <snowblink> bonghi: do you have headphones?
[01:01] <bonghi> _slice_: wow! what else
[01:02] <_slice_> did you check the mixer/
[01:02] <bonghi> nope... have speakers ;-)
[01:02] <_slice_> ?
[01:02] <titoo> hello, is the hoary repository "stable" for an upgrade?
[01:02] <lj> now how do i install dream seeker on here
[01:02] <_slice_> titoo: strictly no
[01:02] <snowblink> bonghi: you can usually diagnose sound issues better with headphones
[01:02] <_slice_> titoo: many people are reporting no problems
[01:03] <Xappe> more like: many people are reporing few problems
[01:03] <lj> and how do i runk3d
[01:03] <_slice_> but the www.ubuntu.com page will tell you the current version
[01:03] <aztec> can anyone please tell me what linux software is equivilant to Quickbooks Lite 2004 or if i can get this anywhere for free to use in linux?
[01:03] <bonghi> _slice_: i checked... but cant' understand it.
[01:03] <j-rock> aztec: gnucash?
[01:03] <_slice_> bonghi: you see a lot of sliders?
[01:04] <aztec> cheers
[01:04] <j-rock> lj: type either k3b or k3bsetup in a terminal
[01:04] <bonghi> yes
[01:04] <_slice_> bonghi: put them all up
[01:04] <j-rock> lj: or type 'sudo k3b' or 'sudo k3bsetup'
[01:04] <titoo> _slice_: ok, thanks, I know it is the unstable, but with debian unstable can be completely broken some times...
[01:04] <snowblink> lj: Should be under applications->multimedia
[01:04] <_slice_> bonghi: and make sure nothing is muted.... [x]  mute  <--- don't have this
[01:05] <_slice_> titoo: yeah. concensus would be avoid if you need no problems
[01:05] <lj> its not
[01:05] <bonghi> _slice_: how can i toggle mute?
[01:05] <snowblink> lj: You may need to restart GNOME for it to show
[01:05] <j-rock> bonghi: 'm'
[01:05] <_slice_> bonghi: just click on the [x]
[01:05] <titoo> _slice_: I need "problems" as I am reporting bugs and using the latest version is better
[01:05] <lj> ok
[01:05] <_slice_> oh, you are in a terminal.. hehe... yes... 'm' i think
[01:06] <j-rock> i do everything by terminal, sorry for the confusion
[01:06] <_slice_> titoo: lol...excellent
[01:06] <_slice_> j-rock: yeah i figured but thought bonghi was in X :)
[01:07] <Anubis> sudo sensors-detect
[01:07] <Anubis> No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them.
[01:07] <j-rock> lol i still use terminals even when i am in X
[01:07] <Anubis> huh?
[01:07] <bonghi> _slice_: clicing doesnt work... "m" does!
[01:08] <j-rock> awesome
[01:08] <Anubis> how did you guys get your sensors working?
[01:08] <_slice_> excellent
[01:08] <bonghi> Now i hear a backround noise but if i start vlc it says  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[01:08] <_slice_> what is vlc ?
[01:09] <bonghi> a multimedia player.
[01:09] <_slice_> k
[01:09] <bonghi> should i try something else?
[01:09] <j-rock> bonghi: you need to switch your output plugin to alsa it sounds like
[01:09] <j-rock> bonghi: dig around in vlc settings
[01:09] <_slice_> maybe gstreamer-properties also
[01:09] <Xappe> try getting vlc to use esd output
[01:10] <_slice_> esd is not bad i think
[01:10] <Xappe> there should be that option anyways, I use it :)
[01:10] <_slice_> a good example of the value of having KDE around.... the esd devs can look at artsd and not make that mess again ;P
[01:10] <bonghi> how can i check to know if it's working?... after that i'll try to fix vlc
[01:11] <lj> i restarted the computer and its still not there
[01:11] <_slice_> try our advic
[01:11] <_slice_> +e
[01:11] <lj> it does work interminal though
[01:11] <_slice_> look in vlc settings for esd as an output and type 'gstreamer-properties in a terminal and set your audio output to ESD also
[01:11] <j-rock> lj: it starts from terminal?
[01:11] <SirFred> Hi.
[01:11] <j-rock> lj: thats good, i'd ask around to find out how to add menu entries for gnome
[01:12] <_slice_> hehe
[01:12] <lj> ok
[01:12] <j-rock> oi SirFred
[01:13] <_slice_> vlc certainly sounds interesting... does it work well?
[01:13] <SirFred> anyone on hoary?
[01:13] <AndyR> yes
[01:13] <Xappe> _slice_, http://www.videolan.org/
[01:13] <j-rock> i'm a big beep-media-player fan
[01:13] <SirFred> Have you lost the new icon theme on X? I'm back on the black cursor pointer and the other old cursors.
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: beep-media-player is fine, but a little buggy.
[01:14] <bonghi> I used I used to love it... it doesnt need codecs to run!
[01:14] <Xappe> vlc has all (well almost) needed codecs builtin
[01:14] <_slice_> Xappe: yeah i'm there already... sounds good...
[01:14] <j-rock> SirFred: i have no issues with bugs, what is showing up for you?
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: Mine, for example, crashes when I d'n'd songs on it.
[01:14] <j-rock> SirFred: what version
[01:14] <Xappe> but i still use MPlayer most of the time
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: Perhaps no the first song, but the second.
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: Humm. (wait)
[01:14] <titoo> _slice_: question, is better to upgrade to hoary outside of X?
[01:15] <SirFred> Yesterday I compiles an mplayer with a gtk-2 patch.
[01:15] <_slice_> Xappe: i'm reading the docs now.... opensource streaming yum yum
[01:15] <SirFred> s/compiles/compiled/
[01:15] <_slice_> titoo: no idea... shouldn't matter at all i would think
[01:15] <SirFred> j-rock: 0.9.7
[01:15] <ACID|net> i have warty and i only have 1024 as my size for screen res - how do i up it??
[01:15] <_slice_> titoo: i think runnningpackages will be upgraded when you start them next, no?
[01:15] <bonghi> but still... (configuring alsa) it wont play audio and report that erroe
[01:16] <j-rock> SirFred: check out their cvs
[01:16] <titoo> _slice_: ok, I have a complete backup of the system in case of :)
[01:16] <j-rock> SirFred: i have no d'n'd issues
[01:16] <Xappe> _slice_, and if your windows friends start buggin' you with codec problems, just direct them to the videolan page. very handy...
[01:16] <_slice_> titoo: gotta love that... you're bulletproof...
[01:16] <SirFred> j-rock: Perhaps it's related with the UTF support or something so. I'm on an spanish localized hoary.
[01:16] <_slice_> Xappe: i don't have any windows friends! :p
[01:16] <Xappe> haha
[01:16] <_slice_> nah j/k
[01:17] <bonghi> _slice_: LOL
[01:17] <j-rock> SirFred: i run UTF-8 too though, i listen to a lot of scandinavian metal and i like my umlauts
[01:18] <j-rock> strange
[01:18] <SirFred> j-rock: So, you're using the cvs version?
[01:18] <Xappe> well I quite recently migrated, so I still have them thoughe ;)
[01:18] <bert> hi
[01:18] <Xappe> -e
[01:18] <j-rock> SirFred: actually its 0.9.7-r2, its in gentoo, assumably we have a patch that may have not been added upstream yet, but its doubtful
[01:18] <lj> i have a litle prob
[01:18] <_slice_> hi bert
[01:18] <lj> k3b: ERROR: (K3bSongManager) Can't open file /root/.kde/share/apps/k3b/songlist.xml
[01:19] <bert> i have this problem: after i've installed Ubuntu, both my network & wireless network worked just fine. After i've rebooted for the first time, none of them work any more. If i try 'ifconfig' I only see my lo device. Can someone help me?
[01:19] <SirFred> j-rock: Don't know
[01:19] <j-rock> SirFred: me neither
[01:19] <_slice_> man ifconfig ?
[01:19] <_slice_> try reconfiging the device?
[01:19] <scizzo> bert: tried using "ifup" "ifdown" ?
[01:19] <bert> no
[01:19] <SirFred> I'm also confused about the removable devices support in ubuntu.
[01:19] <bonghi> I'll come back and ask again later... now i'm gonna go!
[01:19] <scizzo> bert: using dhcp to get ip? "dhclient eth0" or something like that
[01:20] <bonghi> thanks you all!
[01:20] <SirFred> When my laptop boots, it always complain about not finding my eth0.
[01:20] <_slice_> bert: ifconfig interface [aftype]  options | address ...
[01:20] <neofeed> what happened to the Xserver? in Hoary?
[01:20] <bert> scizzo, my eth0 & eth1 aren't 'there' anymore
[01:20] <SirFred> Because the pcmcia startup is after those errors.
[01:20] <SirFred> neofeed: The icons?
[01:20] <lj> ive gotta goto bed ive been up all night
[01:20] <neofeed> xcoursor gone nuts and resolution to 640x480
[01:20] <scizzo> bert: then look at dmesg
[01:20] <Xappe> neofeed, it's there
[01:20] <titoo> _slice_: See you after upgrade :)
[01:20] <SirFred> neofeed: Have you lost them?
[01:20] <KING^^^> hello
[01:20] <scizzo> bert: dmesg | grep eth
[01:20] <_slice_> bert: lsmod... did the modules for them load?
[01:20] <neofeed> SirFred, no. No icons lost
[01:20] <SirFred> neofeed: My resolution is fine, but I lost the cool cursors
[01:21] <bert> yes
[01:21] <scizzo> bert: also look if "ifup eth0" does something
[01:21] <SirFred> neofeed: I'm back in 1995, with the old cursors.
[01:21] <bert> okay thanks
[01:21] <bert> i'll reboot and try some stuff
[01:21] <Xappe> seems like they somehow downgraded the gtk-themes yesterday
[01:21] <KING^^^> i dont't know what happened , but my music runs too fast
[01:21] <Xappe> lost my cool cursors too
[01:21] <neofeed> I have the following problems: my xcoursor went back to the X-Core cursor (black) and my resolution might get down 640x480 // had that in school yesterday
[01:21] <_slice_> bert
[01:21] <_slice_> don't reboot
[01:21] <bert> but i'm not in my ubuntu install now
[01:22] <_slice_> type: sudo ifup eth0
[01:22] <KING^^^> why ?
[01:22] <SirFred> neofeed: No resolution change here, but mine is 800x600
[01:22] <Ex-Cyber> if I have a folder open in Nautilus 2.9, how can I make a link to it?
[01:22] <bert> i'm using the knoppix livecd right now
[01:22] <_slice_> oh yeah.. you;re on knoppix
[01:22] <_slice_> hehe
[01:22] <bert> :)
[01:22] <SirFred> We want our cursors back!!
[01:22] <_slice_> reboot bert hehe
[01:22] <Xappe> SirFred, word!
[01:22] <_slice_> bert: and don;t panic...
[01:22] <_slice_> if it works on knoppix... you'll get it working
[01:22] <KING^^^> can anyone help me ?
[01:22] <neofeed> SirFred, well, I did upgrade in school yesterday and the systems came up wih all 640x480.. And NO way to change that. not even though the xorg conf
[01:22] <bert> very weird that they worked right after the install
[01:22] <Ex-Cyber> alternately, how would I go about making a link that uses gnome-vfs (e.g. samba or FTP share)?
[01:23] <bert> but stopped working after my first reboot
[01:23] <SirFred> neofeed: Have you tested your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:23] <_slice_> yeah, some config or module maybe
[01:23] <_slice_> try schizo's suggestions
[01:23] <neofeed> SirFred, in school? yep. Nothing
[01:23] <SirFred> neofeed: And your xorg.conf file , has changed?
[01:23] <neofeed> Ex-Cyber, drag n Drop?
[01:23] <KING^^^> hey !
[01:23] <neofeed> SirFred, no
[01:23] <bert> okay thanks i'll be right back :)
[01:24] <neofeed> SirFred, do you have the location applications:/// ?
[01:24] <SirFred> neofeed: I think I never had that on hoary
[01:24] <SirFred> neofeed: Going to try
[01:24] <Ex-Cyber> neofeed: drag what? the folder I want to link to is open and there is no parent
[01:24] <neofeed> SirFred, yea I miss it on hoary... I wanted to modify the menu...
[01:24] <Xappe> hmm, and the industrial theme lacks rounded corners nowadays
[01:25] <neofeed> Ex-Cyber, so drag and drop a higherlevel folder/file. and change it's properties?
[01:25] <SirFred> neofeed: I think hoary is on a transition on that particular.
[01:25] <SirFred> neofeed: The only way to do that is hacking manually the desktop files, I've heard.
[01:25] <SirFred> neofeed: I think that a human way to do that will be available on hoary final.
[01:26] <neofeed> I found applications:/// pretty human
[01:26] <KING^^^> so can anyone help me ?
[01:26] <Ex-Cyber> neofeed: yeah, I just tried linking a subfolder on the FTP server and it just whines about an "unsupported operation" (and no, I'm not trying to create the link on the FTP server)
[01:26] <neofeed> only problem I had was: where do I edit the master files (schemas) easily and how do I deactivate menu entries (like suspend them/not delete them)
[01:27] <Ex-Cyber> so much for transparency
[01:28] <darkkyo> What type of kernel for the AthlonXP CPU i686 or K7?
[01:29] <Xappe> darkkyo, i've used both K7 and i686. K7 right now...
[01:29] <Xappe> but I think the K7 is for the AthlonXp, yes
[01:30] <bert> okay
[01:30] <bert> it still doesn't work
[01:30] <bert> if i type 'ifconfig', i still only see my lo device
[01:30] <_slice_> lsmod ?
[01:30] <_slice_> dmesg | grep eth ?
[01:31] <darkkyo> but i have a problem for the dvd playback, when i put a dvd in my device i have a blue screen no picture available T_T
[01:31] <_slice_> uname -a also... check you;re not running some recovery kernel or something
[01:31] <bert> if i 'dmesg | grep eth' i see two lines with my eht0 device
[01:32] <bert> with the name, type etc
[01:32] <_slice_> no errors?
[01:32] <bert> no
[01:32] <_slice_> ok... did you compile the kernel ?
[01:32] <_slice_> (i'm assuming no...)
[01:32] <darkkyo> anyone have the same problem?
[01:32] <bert> no, indeed ;-)
[01:33] <_slice_> check with lsmod that the module for your ethernet card is loaded
[01:33] <bert> yeah they are
[01:33] <_slice_> also try... ifup eth0
[01:33] <bert> i830 and ipw2200
[01:33] <_slice_> see if it says the card is already configured
[01:33] <bert> ifup eth0 gives some errors
[01:33] <_slice_> ahhh
[01:33] <_slice_> cool
[01:33] <_slice_> what errors?
[01:33] <bert> i do ifup -a
[01:33] <bert> and
[01:34] <bert> interface lo already configure ....
[01:34] <_slice_> can you try ifconfig ?
[01:34] <bert> then it tries to set my essid etc for my eth1 wireless decive, and says: "no such device"
[01:34] <bert> but no errors for eth0 (my wired connection)
[01:35] <kengur> what pkg do i need to solve this configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check?
[01:35] <bert> when i do ifconfig i only see the 'lo' device
[01:35] <_slice_> hmmm
[01:35] <kent> kengur, build-essential?
[01:36] <bert> very weird
[01:36] <bert> because right after the install everything worked
[01:36] <bert> after the reboot nothing worked
[01:36] <_slice_> try ifconfig eth0 <ip>
[01:36] <kengur> bah!
[01:36] <_slice_> then ifconfig
[01:36] <_slice_> don't worry about gateway or netmask
[01:36] <_slice_> or put them all in would be better hehe
[01:37] <bert> omg
[01:37] <bert> that works
[01:37] <_slice_> heh ok
[01:37] <_slice_> man ifconfig
[01:37] <bert> now when i 'ifconfig' i see my eth0
[01:37] <_slice_> read the man page
[01:37] <bert> how can i let him config by dhcp?
[01:37] <bert> ah ok
[01:37] <bert> thanks!
[01:37] <_slice_> ifconfig netmask <IP_ADDRESS> gateway <yr gateway> eth0 <ip> i think but i'm not sure
[01:37] <_slice_> someone may correct me ... ?
[01:38] <bert> can't you let it go by dhcp?
[01:38] <_slice_> sure
[01:38] <_slice_> i've never done it so i'd just have to read the man page hehe
[01:39] <SirFred> Well, ifup just bring up the interface you pass it, acording to the information in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:39] <_slice_> in gnome... try Computer>System Configuration>Networking
[01:39] <SirFred> Perhaps you could take a look at that file, to see what could be wrong.
[01:40] <_slice_> if you can't get the syntak of ifconfig figured out
[01:41] <bert> it gives an error when i set my gateway
[01:41] <bert> gateway: Unknown host
[01:41] <bert> but i entered the correct ip
[01:43] <SirFred> bert: That IP belongs to you  LAN ?
[01:44] <bert> jep
[01:44] <bert> my ip <IP_ADDRESS>, gateway ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:44] <andrewski> for anyone using hoary, did the default cursors and default font resolution recently change?
[01:44] <SirFred> bert: And your netmask?
[01:44] <SirFred> andrewski: Yes.
[01:44] <bert> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:44] <mike998_Upgradin> can you ping your gateway?
[01:44] <andrewski> SirFred: so my fonts "are supposed to be" smaller and my cursor theme black?
[01:45] <SirFred> beezly: That's fine.
[01:45] <SirFred> andrewski: My resolution hasn't changed, actually. Only the cursor theme.
[01:45] <SirFred> andrewski: But a while ago, neofeed reported that his resolution also changed.
[01:46] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: can you ping your gateway?
[01:46] <andrewski> SirFred: hmm, maybe related to Xfce?  any idea of the name of the nice white cursors or in which folder they are?  or which package provides them?
[01:46] <SirFred> andrewski: No idea. I've not installed xfce. It's a X.org issue, I think.
[01:46] <SirFred> andrewski: But I'm not sure about the magic under the icons in X.
[01:47] <andrewski> SirFred: what was that second one?
[01:47] <bert> mike998_Upgradin yep
[01:47] <mike998_Upgradin> can you ping outside of your gateway: for example try to ping www.google.com
[01:48] <bert> no: "connect: network is unreachable"
[01:49] <AndyR> is X slightly broke on hoary latest update?
[01:49] <SirFred> andrewski: What do you mean?
[01:49] <mike998_Upgradin> when you check your network settings (Computer > Desktop Configuration > Networking) and you click Properties on eth0 what do you see?
[01:50] <mike998_Upgradin> (I assume you are trying to go DHCP)
[01:50] <andrewski> SirFred: i mean, "what do *you* mean?" :)  i didn't understand your sentence: "But I'm not sure about the magic under the icons in X."
[01:50] <SirFred> andrewski: Oh, excuse me.
[01:50] <bert> mike998_Upgradin is that network-admin
[01:50] <bert> the tool?
[01:50] <SirFred> andrewski: I just mean that I'm not sure about how xcursors work.
[01:50] <bert> eth0 isn't even in the list of connections
[01:51] <andrewski> SirFred: ah, ok.  it's good enough to know that it's not just me; i should be able to resolve it. :)  thanks!
[01:51] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: one second
[01:51] <searcher`> Another diatribe I hear on this matter is, "It's fantasy, kids are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality." First, not all kids are capable of making this distinction. Frankly, not all adults are capable of making this distinction. If my kid can't, I don't want him or her having access to this stuff. Second, even if my kid is capable of making this distinction, it still presents certain things as acceptable, things like beating hookers,
[01:51] <searcher`> woops
[01:51] <searcher`> that mousebutton pasts
[01:51] <searcher`> sorry about that
[01:52] <mike998_Upgradin> wrong window, searcherr?
[01:52] <mike998_Upgradin> heeh
[01:52] <SirFred> searcher`: :)
[01:52] <SirFred> searcher`: For a while I was trying to connect what you've said with ubuntu.
[01:52] <kengur> i get this now No package 'gnome-vfs-2.0' found
[01:53] <searcher`> it's a small piece of slashdot ... can't get around the bad habit of selecting text i read
[01:53] <SirFred> searcher`: Same here.
[01:53] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: check your /etc/network/interfaces and see if you have an entry for eth0
[01:53] <SirFred> searcher`: I'm playing with the mouse, clicking here an there all the time.
[01:53] <kengur> kent, can u help out?
[01:53] <mike998_Upgradin> searcher`: me too... one of the problems of gettin old
[01:53] <bert> mike998_Upgradin no entry for eth0
[01:54] <SirFred> Talkin about that, the copy/paste in gnome/x.
[01:54] <SirFred> Isn't it a little... inconsistent?
[01:54] <goldfish> hey there, have a dell inspiron 8600 with internal wireless card, my wireless network monitor is not picking up any device :/ Can anyone help?
[01:54] <bert> should i enter: "iface eth0 inet static" ?
[01:54] <SirFred> Gnome apps has their own way to cut and paste.
[01:54] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: check https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper (I know that it's not specifically about wired... but it should help)
[01:54] <SirFred> But the X cut buffers gets filled only selecting.
[01:54] <searcher`> it's not that hard to figure out
[01:55] <daniels> SirFred: what you copy with edit->copy is pasteable via edit->paste
[01:55] <searcher`> selected text you can paste with a mouse button
[01:55] <daniels> what you copy by lmb selection is pasteable by mmb
[01:55] <kent> kengur, you need the package called build-essential. Search for it in synaptic and install it. Its not that hard. But for most packages, you dont need to compile them at all, just install them with synaptic
[01:55] <SirFred> daniels: So, when I select something with the mouse, it's not available with edit->paste ?
[01:55] <searcher`> everything else, use ctrl+c|v
[01:55] <daniels> SirFred: no
[01:55] <kent> kengur, and im in a hurry so i have no time to help, sorry for that :(
[01:55] <searcher`> SirFred: depends on how intelligent the application is
[01:55] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: you should enter iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:55] <SirFred> Wouldn't be better to have only one way to do it?
[01:56] <searcher`> SirFred: ofcourse it would be
[01:56] <daniels> SirFred: arguably, yes
[01:56] <searcher`> although i like this as well
[01:56] <kengur> thanks, i think i can handle it =)
[01:56] <SirFred> Is there any movement on that direction? A single way to cut/paste things on the desktop?
[01:56] <daniels> having two cut buffers is kinda nice, sure, if you want two things, but my god it's a hack
[01:56] <kengur> i need the dev package
[01:57] <daniels> SirFred: not really; the status quo is that if you copy/paste via one method (mouse selection + mmb, or edit->copy/edit->paste), you'll get consistency
[01:57] <SirFred> Humm, could be.
[01:57] <SirFred> Well, lunch time.
[02:00] <mz2> hmm, how come klipper works in the gnome-panel for me, but not on a friend's computer (it goes into this little window and doesn't get integrated to the tray applet)
[02:07] <AndyR> is anyone else having a problem with icons in latest update of hoary?
[02:08] <seb128> AndyR: what icons ?
[02:08] <seb128> AndyR: industrial ones ?
[02:08] <AndyR> show desktop
[02:08] <AndyR> and waste bin
[02:08] <seb128> what theme are you using ?
[02:09] <AndyR> industrial
[02:10] <AndyR> ok, changed theme, all ok now :)
[02:12] <Nightie> Hello!
[02:13] <Nightie> I have a D-link adsl router with 4 ports. There is 1 laptop with winxp and a pc with ubuntu connected to.
[02:14] <Nightie> In win I can surf the web, but in ubuntu only ping works...
[02:14] <RichB> I'm looking for help with Hoary. Yesterday I lost my network and don't have enough Linux knowledge to fix it. I did several apt updates to Hoary yesterday
[02:14] <Nightie> can you help me? Why firefox doesn't work in ubuntu?
[02:15] <RichB> One of the updates upgraded to linux-image-2.6.10-2 to 2.6.10-14. This may have caused the problme
[02:15] <RichB> Can anyone suggest anything?
[02:16] <antonio_> hola, alguien habla espaol
[02:16] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, good morning :)
[02:17] <andred> Is there a reason why Hoary doesn't use the GNOME-Fx theme for Firefox? It seams to use a theme that sort of fits into your current theme, but doesn't have all the menu icons that GNOME-Fx has, for instance.
[02:17] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, argh I feel like crap, too many beer :(
[02:18] <kengur> can anyone help with SYNCE-gnomevfs compilation?
[02:18] <Nightie> help me with dns, pleaaase!
[02:19] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i have a question on size for the best partitionning an HD 40GB for install of ubuntu
[02:21] <searcher`> darkkyo: don't ask to ask, just ask
[02:24] <darkkyo> i want to say what this a best partitionning for install ubuntu on a 40GB HD?
[02:25] <searcher`> depends on what you plan to do with it really?
[02:25] <searcher`> wanna dual boot another OS?
[02:25] <searcher`> looking to keep your logs seperate from your root ...
[02:25] <searcher`> possibilities are endless
[02:26] <andred> seb128, Is Gnome-Fx too tied into one GNOME theme, is that why it's not used to default for Firefox?
[02:27] <darkkyo> i have a dual boot but my another OS is on other HD 120GB ;), i want just to know for partitionning my 40 GB for ubuntu
[02:27] <seb128> I don't know what Gnome-Fx is and I don't use firefox ...
[02:27] <andred> seb128, Aha, ok. I saw you had commented in a number of Ubuntu Firefox bugs, so I thought you handled those bugs.
[02:27] <andred> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=360&os=Linux&application=firefox&version=1.0&go=Go
[02:28] <andred> That's Gnome-Fx
[02:28] <seb128> andred: no, I just reassign epiphany bugs to firefox when they are due to firefox
[02:28] <^iDleR^> Hi!
[02:28] <seb128> andred: k
[02:29] <^iDleR^> someone could help me with a network problem?
[02:29] <andred> seb128, The description for the theme even says "Blends in really well with the Default GNOME theme and the Ubuntu Human theme.":-)
[02:29] <seb128> andred: epiphany does that better: p
[02:29] <daniels> seb128: there are no firefox bugs, only gtk bugs
[02:29] <andred> seb128, Hehe, yep. true.
[02:31] <Evaso> hi guys any plann to support udf writing in hoary?
[02:31] <usual> is there something wrong with X in hoary?
[02:31] <usual> after the last upgrade I have a plain cursor
[02:31] <usual> after the last upgrade I have a plain cursor
[02:31] <blah09> maybe its an Xorg thing\
[02:32] <daniels> no, it's gtk being broken (really)
[02:32] <daniels> or the gtk engine, rather
[02:32] <blah09> oh
[02:32] <usual> so my cursor is plain because of gtk?
[02:32] <eruin> the gtk engine breaks the cursor?
[02:32] <usual> not x?
[02:33] <blah09> hm does anyone know if ALPS touchpad support is built into hoary already?
[02:33] <daniels> usual: correct
[02:33] <seb128> daniels: right, blame gtk :p
[02:33] <daniels> blah09: no, it is not
[02:33] <eruin> anyone experiencing random X restarts in hoary?
[02:33] <blah09> oh =(
[02:33] <daniels> seb128: there's a bug on industrial; it diverts the cursor theme away but doesn't actually provide the files
[02:33] <usual> daniels, cool, just curious.
[02:33] <eruin> I'm unsure how to submit a bug about it
[02:33] <blah09> guess it won't make it in then...
[02:34] <seb128> daniels: I know, was just kidding :)
[02:34] <daniels> blah09: you just can't reliably detect alps touchpads; you pick up far too many false positives for it to be usable
[02:34] <eruin> as it seems to happen randomly (while using places in gnome-panel or inside nautilus)
[02:34] <blah09> oh right
[02:34] <daniels> seb128: cool, that was easy.  now let me run some other bugs by you ;)
[02:34] <seb128> daniels: I've reassigned the bug to jdub since he has uploaded the broken gtk2-engines-industrial :)
[02:34] <blah09> so i gotta compile a new kernel for alps?
[02:34] <no0tic> eruin: while using nautilus
[02:34] <daniels> seb128: #6175 is yours if you want it ...
[02:34] <blah09> stupid synaptics ripoff =(
[02:35] <seb128> daniels: no thanks
[02:35] <no0tic> theme's manager doesn't show previews
[02:35] <mchasard> hi
[02:36] <eruin> no0tic: you got a bugreport going?
[02:36] <no0tic> eruin: not yet
[02:36] <eruin> k
[02:36] <no0tic> eruin: it's not well reproducible
[02:36] <eruin> yeah, that's what's bugging me ;/
[02:36] <mchasard> i just download the new  5.04 Array-4 but i can't boot it ...
[02:37] <blah09> hoary is due in april isnt it?
[02:38] <Guardiann> blah09 yes
[02:41] <thephotoman> Morning, all.
[02:41] <Xappe> hehe, it's 14.42 here in sweden ;)
[02:42] <thephotoman> Compliments on Array 4.  Heard about it on Distrowatch after needing a Hoary Live CD, and it's working beautifully right nooo
[02:42] <thephotoman> *now
[02:42] <thephotoman> It's 7:42 in Texas.
[02:42] <Xappe> :)
[02:43] <thephotoman> In fact, the computer I'm on right now can't get on IRC in Windows, and the Ubuntu-based LiveCDs are the only ones I know of that will detect atheros cards without fuss.
[02:43] <thephotoman> One gripe, though: I still had to run dhclient on it.
[02:44] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, sorry I was afk you still need help ?
[02:44] <darkkyo> yes i still need help for partitionning my 40GB HD to install a fresh ubuntu under :)
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Xappe, it's 9:44 am here in Eastern Canada :)
[02:45] <darkkyo> but i want to know what type and size of partition
[02:45] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, stick with ext3 for partition type
[02:45] <Guardiann> LinuxJones hmmm its 8:45 in eastern canada
[02:45] <Guardiann> ;)
[02:45] <darkkyo> yes EXT3
[02:46] <LinuxJones> Guardiann, I am in Atlantic time zone :D
[02:46] <Guardiann> yep i thought so
[02:46] <Guardiann> i am in eastern
[02:47] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, whate style of partition et size is do set?
[02:47] <Xappe> we're so international here, aren't we? ;)
[02:47] <Xappe> hehe
[02:47] <no0tic> Xappe: oh, yes
[02:47] <no0tic> Xappe: Italy. here
[02:47] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, /boot = 30 meg /swap = 500meg  /root=5 gig /home=rest of free space
[02:47] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, no /usr ?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, nah
[02:48] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, ok i use your setting :)
[02:48] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, /home is really the only important one. It takes about 25 mins to do a re-install :)
[02:48] <Xappe> what's the deal with /boot partition?
[02:49] <njan> Xappe, do you mean what's it for?
[02:49] <Xappe> yepp
[02:49] <njan> Xappe, it's where the kernel image file is stored, along with the configuration for the bootloader (grub)
[02:49] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, yes but i have installed ubuntu with only /root and /swap i have no partition to backup
[02:49] <Xappe> njan, yes, but why have it on it's own partition?
[02:49] <njan> when your machine boots up, the bios loads the bootloader off the MBR of your hard disk, and it looks in the /boot partition (which it's installed and configured to know the location of) for configuration
[02:49] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, /root is the /
[02:50] <njan> Xappe, because the bootloader is small and stupid and doesn't understand some filing systems and larger partitions
[02:50] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, that's ok do you have much stuff in your /home directory ?
[02:50] <njan> Xappe, and also traditionally because it didn't understand partitions not at the beginning of the drive
[02:50] <Xappe> ah, I see
[02:50] <njan> Xappe, I think you probably could use the root partition (I've never tried), but I wouldn't recommend it.
[02:50] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, no but i have upload all files on my second box linux server :-) before reinstall ubuntu
[02:50] <Xappe> i'm doin that right now
[02:51] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, perfect :D, just wipe out your current partitions and make new ones and install from scratch.
[02:51] <snowblink> darkkyo: you might want to put /var in a separate partition
[02:52] <iapx8088> mh
[02:52] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i want a best setting for an 40GB HD tell me a best i use the best :)
[02:52] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, if you were running a busy server I would recommend a /var /usr but not for a desktop system
[02:53] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i use ubuntu for a desktop system, my server use debian sarge and i have created all partition for this thank for this information
[02:53] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, have fun with your install :D
[02:54] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, thank you very much LinuxJones i come back here after my reinstall of ubuntu
[02:54] <iapx8088> I wonder
[02:54] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, see you then
[02:54] <iapx8088> is there any ubuntu cd where i can find a kernel image like the rescue one in debian's
[02:55] <iapx8088> ?
[02:55] <iapx8088> something to do some rescue root=/dev/hda3
[02:55] <magnon> I've never tried it, but the installation cd _should_ have a rescue mode
[02:55] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, oh i have juste a last question after installation i can update my kernel to a K7 version i have a AthlonXP cpu? i use this one or i686?
[02:55] <magnon> if not you could always use a live cd to fix it
[02:56] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, yeah it's very easy
[02:56] <iapx8088> mmh don't know how I' going to fix that with a live cd.
[02:56] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, K7
[02:56] <iapx8088> I have an unbootable kernel, and it's alone
[02:56] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, ok thank see you later
[02:56] <Xappe> gl darkkyo
[02:56] <darkkyo> i'll be back all :) get fun with ubuntu
[02:56] <iapx8088> even with the live cd what can I do as long as I cannot deinstall that one and install a new kernel?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> :D
[02:57] <darkkyo> very nice people :) here i'm coming back here
[02:58] <iapx8088> the bad kernel itself it's saying kernel-panic not syncing:VFS unable to mount root
[03:00] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, sounds like you don't have the correct filesystem support
[03:00] <iapx8088> mh
[03:00] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, did you compile a custom kernel ?
[03:00] <iapx8088> I could be who knows, I made a mess with kernel config Afaik
[03:00] <iapx8088> yea
[03:01] <iapx8088> but my config was a good tuned one, just I did copy the .config instead of making make oldconfig
[03:01] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, you should have added filesystem support in the kernel or used initrd
[03:01] <iapx8088> yea but I have to come back there to do that
[03:01] <iapx8088> I simply need to boot into ubuntu one more time to fix that.
[03:02] <iapx8088> but linux root=/dev/hda3 into installation cd didn't help
[03:02] <iapx8088> nor did linux root=/dev/hda3 into hoary live cd.
[03:02] <iapx8088> what a mess.
[03:02] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, it's probalby faster to just re-install :D
[03:02] <snowblink> iapx8088: can you get to a grub menu when you boot?
[03:02] <iapx8088> snowblink, sure
[03:02] <snowblink> iapx8088: do you have any other options apart from your custom?
[03:03] <esher> how can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ?
[03:03] <iapx8088> snowblink, I don't that was the catch
[03:03] <iapx8088> I was so sure it was going to work
[03:03] <iapx8088> it was from 2.610 to 2.610, same kernel I told myself
[03:03] <iapx8088> what the hell, that hoary box was marvellous
[03:04] <snowblink> iapx8088: you overwrote your old kernels?
[03:05] <iapx8088> snowblink, sure, this one was working so good
[03:05] <iapx8088> hibernate and so on
[03:05] <iapx8088> It was a newbie move.
[03:05] <LinuxJones> esher, in synaptic select the package(s) and under packages in upper left menu click Lock Version
[03:05] <iapx8088> i only need to boot that box again and I cannot.  in the panel at the bottom, when there's plenty of space there?
[03:09] <Xappe> that's a bug in hoary
[03:09] <giard> andred, mine do that too... they didn't used to do it in the older version
[03:09] <Xappe> u have to increase the size manually i think
[03:11] <Xappe> andred, i've set minimum to 250 px and now it's quite ok
[03:12] <andred> Xappe, Well, why would you have to do that? It's a bad default since there's space left on the panel.
[03:12] <andred> A bug already filed on it, or should I file one?
[03:13] <Xappe> well, I read about it in december I think, so it should've been filed
[03:14] <andred> Ok. And it's specific to Ubuntu?
[03:14] <andred> Or a GNOME bug?
[03:14] <Xappe> could be gnome specific
[03:15] <andred> Xappe, So how do you change the size manually?
[03:16] <no0tic> brb
[03:17] <Xappe> andred, right click, choose preferences --> size -->...
[03:17] <HurL3y> hi everyone i have a question for Unbuntu people
[03:20] <iapx8088> snowblink, I did that! (i copied a kernel from knoppix live cd into ubuntu boot and succeeded starting...
[03:20] <no0tic> I noticed powernowd has been updated in hoary; my problem with cpu frequency is still here...
[03:20] <HurL3y> in dualboot with XP can anyone can tell me what will be the bootloader with Ubuntu
[03:20] <iapx8088> no0tic, centrino?
[03:20] <iapx8088> HurL3y, grub
[03:20] <no0tic> iapx8088: no amd k7
[03:20] <goldfish> HurL3y: grub ?
[03:20] <iapx8088> no0tic, amd k7 will support dinamic cpu frequency change?
[03:21] <HurL3y> thank you iapx8088
[03:21] <no0tic> iapx8088: yes
[03:21] <no0tic> iapx8088: It was working on warty
[03:21] <Gussy> damn iver never used linux, is this a good start
[03:21] <goldfish> Gussy: yep
[03:21] <no0tic> iapx8088: scaling works also on hoary, only frequency values are wrong
[03:21] <Gussy> cool as
[03:22] <Gussy> i just ordered a cd
[03:22] <Gussy> hopefully i wont get charged
[03:22] <no0tic> iapx8088: I files #5874 bug
[03:22] <no0tic> iapx8088: *filed
[03:22] <goldfish> Gussy: I started using linux 2 days ago. This channel is very helpful, and the forums, and ubuntuguide.org really help
[03:22] <Xappe> Gussy, no, i got 10 cds for free ;)
[03:22] <Gussy> cool thanks
[03:23] <Gussy> 10, nice
[03:23] <goldfish> I got one for free :)
[03:23] <Gussy> i rember someone telling me how they somehow pressed back and foward buttons alot when ordering winxp sp2 and ended with a box of 500
[03:24] <goldfish> yeah
[03:24] <goldfish> There was a link about it.
[03:24] <Xappe> Gussy, in that case they'll call you before shipping :)
[03:24] <Gussy> nah, i only ordered 1
[03:25] <iapx8088> I'm so happy
[03:25] <iapx8088> I promise I will never deinstall the stock kernel again
[03:25] <Xappe> hehe :)
[03:25] <Gussy> so whats the current wait time for a cd?
[03:26] <Xappe> i waited a couple of weeks
[03:27] <Xappe> so if you want to get started quickly, download and burn...
[03:27] <Gussy> ... dialup 31.2k
[03:27] <Gussy> not an option
[03:27] <Xappe> ah
[03:27] <Xappe> ok
[03:27] <Gussy> and i get a perty cd anyways
[03:28] <andred> Xappe, That's just how you change the panel size
[03:28] <Xappe> andred, yes...think that's the only wy right now. but I might be wrong...
[03:29] <andred> Xappe, That changes the *height* of the panel, which has no effect on when the window names are shortened.
[03:29] <Xappe> andred, nono...right click the applet
[03:30] <Xappe> the little "bar" on the left
[03:30] <andred> Xappe, Ahh, ok
[03:30] <andred> Thanks
[03:32] <no0tic> rhythmbox crashes when I try to import folder...
[03:32] <andred> Xappe, This is the bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4918
[03:34] <Xappe> andred, yes
[03:39] <Xappe> off@restart x
[03:45] <Sye> Hello
[03:46] <theine> i'm looking for an alternative to metacity, any suggestions?
[03:46] <j-rock> openbox
[03:47] <theine> j-rock: do you know a clean way of replacing metacity with openbox?
[03:48] <Xappe> hmm, did an upgrade, now the industrial window theme is all gone (hoary)
[03:50] <j-rock> theine: umm i used to let me look it up
[03:50] <theine> j-rock: say again?
[03:51] <j-rock> theine: in a terminal type 'openbox --replace' and then save your gnome session
[03:51] <j-rock> theine: after you install openbox of course
[03:51] <j-rock> thats it
[03:52] <theine> j-rock: okidoki
[03:52] <cutoff_> hi all!
[03:52] <j-rock> tell me if it works out :)
[03:52] <j-rock> it should make gnome VERY snappy
[03:54] <theine> j-rock: THE feature i need is vertically maximizing
[03:54] <theine> j-rock: edge resistance is also nice
[03:54] <usual> mono broken in hoary?
[03:54] <usual> mono-assemblies-base trying to overwrite files in libdbus-cil
[03:55] <daniels> usual: yes
[03:55] <usual> daniels, k
[03:56] <snowblink> theine: You can get vert maximizing by assigning a keyboard shortcut
[03:56] <theine> is there anything like xawtv in the main ubuntu repository?
[03:56] <usual> daniels, I see alot of live cd's using the application 'captive' to use NTFS partitions, any plans for that to be included in ubuntu?
[03:56] <theine> snowblink: i know, but i never got used to that
[03:57] <SirFred> gtk 2.6.2 is already on hoary. Amazing.
[03:57] <giard> SirFred: yeap, kinda curious about the new sound-juicer too... really glad to see bittorrent made it in as well
[03:59] <SirFred> giard: New sound juicer?
[03:59] <SirFred> I have 0.5.15
[03:59] <giard> SirFred: it hasn't hit hoary yet
[03:59] <jayduk> looking for advice - i've got a list of urls in a TXT file. Each one needs to be accessed once only, sequentially, at 30 minutes intervals. Any ideas what would be the best tool for the job (command line?)
[03:59] <SirFred> giard: Oh.
[04:00] <SirFred> giard: I expect we will be able to choose the quality with the new sound juicer.
[04:00] <SirFred> It seems that the new powernow has some mistake on the init script
[04:01] <SirFred> /etc/init.d/powernowd: line 66: [: speedstep-smi: binary operator expected
[04:01] <savage1r> Hello?
[04:01] <giard> SirFred: seems that the new sound juicer will use "Audio Profiles"  not sure what those are
[04:01] <mariano> 'afternoon, people
[04:01] <savage1r> Hey, I'm a linux n00b and I just installed ubuntu,can someone help me out with a few things?
[04:01] <website> savage1r, go
[04:02] <website> savage1r, don't ask to ask, just ask!
[04:02] <savage1r> ok, well, how the hell do I install software?
[04:02] <website> savage1r, are you running hoary or warty?
[04:02] <savage1r> Full install
[04:02] <savage1r> not livecd
[04:02] <website> (the menus differ)
[04:02] <mariano> I guess the http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ might help you, savagelr
[04:02] <SirFred> it's missing a pair of quotes
[04:03] <website> computer ---> administration ---> synaptic
[04:03] <esher> i want to install courier-imap-ssl, but apt-get will also install exim... how can i this disable ? i only need courier packages
[04:03] <savage1r> There is no administration tab under computer
[04:04] <mariano> I have a related problem. Somehow, while upgrading my hoary sys Synaptic got uninstalled, when trying to install it again I get a dependency problem which can't be solved :S
[04:04] <mariano> any idea?
[04:04] <savage1r> ok, hold on
[04:04] <altan> where is the config file that manages what to do at startup (like when it's starting Postfix, RAID services, syncing the time etc)
[04:04] <savage1r> ok, found the synaptic
[04:04] <esher> LinuxJones, i dont have synaptic here, its console only
[04:04] <website> savage1r, excuse me but i'm running hoary
[04:05] <savage1r> ok
[04:05] <website> and the menu differs
[04:05] <mariano> does anyone know the utility of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3?
[04:05] <savage1r> I actually tried this package manager before
[04:06] <savage1r> And I keep getting error messages and nothing installs
[04:06] <website> have you upgraded the list?
[04:06] <savage1r> Yeah, I think so
[04:06] <iapx8088> mmh
[04:06] <savage1r> Should I dl package files only?
[04:07] <website> savage1r, yes you can
[04:07] <iapx8088> anyone knows if yesterday kernel update 2.6.10 for hoary was bugged
[04:07] <savage1r> Will that make a difference in the install?
[04:07] <website> just check "download only" when click apply
[04:07] <savage1r> ok, well, it's dling them
[04:07] <savage1r> But will I still get the error messages?
[04:07] <SirFred> iapx8088: It's buggy for me. My soundcard don't work for any of the 2.6.10-2 hoary series.
[04:07] <altan> Where can I edit services for startup (Postfix, time synchronization with ubuntulinux.org, stuff like that)
[04:07] <website> savage1r, you get errors for broken dependencies
[04:08] <website> do this
[04:08] <savage1r> ok
[04:08] <website> edit ---> fix broken dependencies
[04:08] <website> and then apply
[04:08] <website> it will fix your system
[04:08] <website> it is strange since i had a broken dependencies when i was upgrading to hoary
[04:09] <savage1r> ok
[04:09] <savage1r> Well, I'm dling packages at the moment
[04:09] <savage1r> So I guess I'll fix broken dependencies when that's done
[04:09] <website> yes
[04:09] <savage1r> ok, hopefully this'll work and I can use wine and samba
[04:10] <website> yes
[04:10] <savage1r> Now if I can just get WWIIOL to work I'm ditching Windows, lol
[04:10] <website> so enjoy
[04:10] <savage1r> ty
[04:10] <larsrohdin> is fbsetbg something i have to download?
[04:11] <website> larsrohdin, i don't understand
[04:11] <larsrohdin> fbsetbg, has something to do with changing wallpapers in fluxbox.. but i can't get it to work...
[04:12] <website> tell synaptic to locate in which package is fbsetup executable
[04:13] <larsrohdin> excuse me? do what?
[04:13] <savage1r> website it's funny, since I've used windows for so long it feels like I'm a retarded kid in a calc 2 class when it comes to linux, lol
[04:13] <website> do you have fbsetup executable on your system?
[04:13] <larsrohdin> i honestly don't know=)
[04:13] <larsrohdin> i have fluxbox=) and its running...
[04:14] <Guardiann> larsrohdin take a look her >>>  http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/fluxbox/fbsetbg.html
[04:14] <website> savage1r, it is the same feeling that i had when 4 years ago i switched to Gnu/linux debian
[04:14] <klaym> windows makes us all retarded
[04:14] <savage1r> Ugh, before I tried installing ubuntu (easy) I tried installing Debian (fucking impossible)
[04:14] <website> larsrohdin, maybe you can do fbse(TAB) in the terminal to know if you have that
[04:15] <website> savage1r, no, it is like ubuntu
[04:15] <website> just some questons to answer
[04:15] <jakujaku> hi
[04:15] <savage1r> Can you help me install Cinelerra when I'm done updating? :D
[04:16] <website> savage1r, why not ?-)
[04:16] <savage1r> schweet
[04:16] <cblack> lo folks
[04:16] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, when i click on download cvs-version... i just get alot of text... what am i supposed to do with it?
[04:17] <website> savage1r, how does it mean? i don't find that work on my dictionary (i'm not english native)
[04:17] <Guardiann> not sure i left the site
[04:17] <savage1r> How does what mean?
[04:17] <savage1r> oh schweet?
 schweet
[04:17] <savage1r> lol
[04:17] <jakujaku> i got "ramdisk compressed image found at block 0" when i booted from an ubuntu cd. out of memory?
[04:17] <savage1r> Um, cool
[04:18] <jakujaku> and it halted there
[04:18] <website> jakujaku, do you have a sata hd?
[04:18] <jakujaku> i dont know
[04:19] <savage1r> Ok website, I got an error when the installer tried instaling samba
[04:19] <jakujaku> how d o i find out?
[04:19] <website> uhm.. it seems that the initrd image don't load the appropriate modules
[04:19] <savage1r> ok..soooo
[04:19] <website> savage1r, what error?
[04:20] <larsrohdin> how can i see which version of fluxbox im running?
[04:20] <savage1r> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.7-Iubuntu6.3_i386.deb
[04:21] <totzilla> morning
[04:21] <website> savage1r, try to install it again
[04:21] <savage1r> I did, 2 times
[04:21] <website> uhm ok
[04:21] <website> so do sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:21] <website> what's up?
[04:21] <savage1r> um...how do I do that?
[04:22] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[04:22] <website> open the terminal and then do: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:23] <Anubis> This is pissing me off
[04:23] <Anubis> been up all night
[04:23] <Anubis> I can't successully compile a damn thing?
[04:23] <savage1r> database is locked by another process
[04:23] <savage1r> Close the package manager?
[04:23] <Anubis> wtf? is wrong with the environment?
[04:23] <Anubis> the apps I want to use are broken
[04:23] <website> savage1r, yep
[04:23] <Anubis> I try to compile them
[04:23] <Anubis> I don't have the dependencies
[04:23] <website> Anubis, maybe you don't have the right libs
[04:24] <Anubis> or if I do they are old
[04:24] <Anubis> like now
[04:24] <larsrohdin> how can i update my fluxbox?
[04:24] <Anubis> trying to install the latst XFCE4
[04:24] <savage1r> ok, ran the execution, that looked like everything went ok
[04:24] <Anubis> people in the forums said it works
[04:24] <Anubis> but not here
[04:24] <Anubis> simple things
[04:24] <bretzel> Hi all --- Anybody knows C++ ???
[04:24] <website> larsrohdin, use synaptic
[04:25] <Anubis> dbh-1.0 XFCE4 is looking for
[04:25] <diego> Anubis: why are you not using apt?
[04:25] <savage1r> ok website, looks like the execution went through
[04:25] <Anubis> seems as though I have the libs but not the bin?
[04:25] <website> bretzel, yes but in #c++ is better
[04:25] <savage1r> do I go back to package manager?
[04:25] <website> yes
[04:25] <Anubis> diego, because its not in there?
[04:25] <larsrohdin> website, fluxbox -version says Fluxbox 0.1.14... is that old or new version?
[04:25] <diego> Anubis: sure it is
[04:25] <website> savage1r, go back and try to install samba
[04:25] <diego> Anubis: `apt-get install xfce4
[04:25] <Anubis> diego what is?
[04:25] <website> larsrohdin, give me a minute
[04:26] <Anubis> which version is that?
[04:26] <larsrohdin> ok, thanks
[04:26] <Anubis> its not 4.2
[04:26] <diego> Anubis: shrugsauce
[04:26] <Anubis> so like I was saying
[04:26] <savage1r> Nope, still have that samba error
[04:26] <diego> i'm on hoary so i dunno
[04:26] <Anubis> anyone know of the dbh-1.0 pkg?
[04:26] <totzilla> xfce4.2 installer is failing to find dbhash?
[04:26] <larsrohdin> diego, isn't hoary released in march or something?
[04:26] <website> larsrohdin, i need the package name
[04:26] <totzilla> i had to install the dbh devel pkg to get 4.2 working
[04:26] <diego> larsrohdin: that's the plan
[04:27] <larsrohdin> website, how can i find that?
[04:27] <larsrohdin> diego, but how can you be on hoary now then=)
[04:27] <Anubis> totzilla, with what command?
[04:27] <Guardiann> larsrohdin is out now but its in development
[04:27] <savage1r> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.7-Iubuntu6.3_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[04:27] <bretzel> website -- That's because I have a point that I don't catch : look:" class::function( const type& t) ": the compiler raises error:  ( next line with real error )
[04:27] <diego> larsrohdin: mad hax...either that or anyone can be by following the "Update to Hoary" instructions on the web site
[04:27] <Anubis> is it in the repositories/
[04:28] <bretzel> cursesiface.cc:116: error: passing ` const felix::csize' as `this' argument of `int felix::csize::height()' discards qualifiers
[04:28] <totzilla> i use yum -y install  Anubis
[04:28] <diego> larsrohdin: it's not done yet but it's fine for me
[04:28] <website> bretzel, i don't know how to help you
[04:28] <Anubis> yum?
[04:28] <bretzel> thus const freference in arguments doesn't  work ... I never understood that
[04:29] <website> totzilla, yum? here is debian world
[04:29] <website> apt-get instead
[04:29] <larsrohdin> website, where can i find the pakage name?
[04:29] <diego> roofles
[04:29] <website> larsrohdin, i'm doing it for you
[04:29] <bretzel> website: ok... thanks for your time :-)
[04:29] <larsrohdin> oh, ok=)
[04:29] <Anubis> wtf is yum?
[04:29] <Anubis> and what difference does it make which installer I use?
[04:29] <totzilla> its a package manager Anubis
[04:30] <larsrohdin> Anubis, the redhat package manager
[04:30] <website> larsrohdin, but if you system is upgradded it is the last package, if you want a newest version switch to hoary
[04:30] <Anubis> basically, how can i satisfy these dependencies
[04:30] <savage1r> website, I can't even remove samba
[04:30] <cblack> hrm. are there install images that support reiser4?
[04:30] <website> Anubis, it is apt-get for fedora $ friends
[04:30] <diego> website: don't forget about the backports project
[04:30] <larsrohdin> website, ok how can i do that then?
[04:30] <Anubis> also its missing X pixmap Library
[04:31] <website> larsrohdin, The latest stable release is v0.1.14
[04:31] <Anubis> I can't find thes in the universe
[04:31] <Anubis> multiverse
[04:31] <larsrohdin> well, that the one i have...
[04:31] <Anubis> nada
[04:31] <larsrohdin> shit, all i want is to change my wallpaper=)
[04:31] <website> diego, what?
[04:31] <diego> m00
[04:32] <website> larsrohdin, why do you use a desktop manager that is hard to manage, have you already tried gnome?
[04:32] <Anubis> where is ubuntuforums chammel?
[04:32] <larsrohdin> website, because i want a new challange... gnome is as boring as windows=)
[04:33] <diego> the backports project offers xfwm4_<IP_ADDRESS>+cvs.20041212-1-4.10ubp1_i386
[04:33] <website> :-) yes it could be, but not for me ^__^
[04:33] <diego> oops
[04:33] <diego> note how i can't read
[04:33] <diego> roooofle
[04:33] <savage1r> Ok website, ready to help me install cinerella?
[04:33] <savage1r> er...cinelerra
[04:33] <larsrohdin> i've managed to configure my own menu and all that... the only thing that isn't working is fbsetbg...
[04:33] <diego> and now for something relevant: XFCE v<IP_ADDRESS>+cvs.20041211-2-4.10ubp1_i386
[04:33] <website> savage1r, do: sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:34] <website> so we will see what will go wrong
[04:34] <Anubis> solved one dependency
[04:34] <Anubis> now for the last
[04:34] <Anubis> I love this
[04:34] <Anubis> Like when I was new to Linux
[04:34] <Anubis> and thought I'd get help in IRC
[04:34] <WillCooke> Anyone who's running hoary > Does nautilus applications:/// work for you?  I get an error
[04:34] <Anubis> I got some
[04:35] <Anubis> but mostly i had to figure things out
[04:35] <savage1r> samba: Depends: samba-commo (=3.0.7-Iubuntu6) but 3.0.7-ibuntu6.3 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
[04:35] <website> Anubis, to solve dependencies automatically use synaptic ---> edit ---> fix dependencies
[04:35] <Anubis> its the fun part about Linux
[04:35] <bretzel> website: ah --- I 've worked around: If you know c++ and interrested of my thought :passing const reference in parameter - you cannot use the argument's regular properties.  so if I copy the instance into a local or other non const ref obj, I can work with it :-)
[04:35] <Anubis> but also a PITA!
[04:35] <diego> WillCooke: doesn't work for me either last time i checked
[04:35] <WillCooke> diego, Doh!
[04:35] <website> bretzel, thanks :-)
[04:36] <Xappe> WillCooke, have used Hoary since early december, applications:/// has been dead since then...
[04:36] <Anubis> website, how can synaptic solve dependecies for an installer that indepedent of synaptic?
[04:36] <WillCooke> OK, thanks guys.
[04:36] <website> savage1r, look for samba common package
[04:37] <website> Anubis, excuse me i thought it was a regular package
[04:37] <iapx8088> mnmh
[04:37] <savage1r> Website, I keep getting the same error over and over
[04:37] <iapx8088> does anyone know if there's a real performance enanchement using --initrd
[04:38] <larsrohdin> ok, is anyone here running fluxbox? and how do you do to change wallpaper=)
[04:38] <website> is the samba common isntalled?
[04:38] <website> iapx8088, yes initrd load modules
[04:38] <savage1r> subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[04:38] <website> and starts kernel
[04:38] <iapx8088> website, what about the enanchements
[04:39] <website> (it is used when you don't know exactly what is needed built in kernel)
[04:39] <savage1r> I don't think so, but samba isn't my primary concern, I'd rather install cinelerra
[04:39] <WillCooke> Anoe with hoary go skype 1 running?
[04:39] <website> iapx8088, wait since i need to traslate that word
[04:39] <Guardiann> larsrohdin do you mean the background?
[04:40] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, yes
[04:40] <WillCooke> anoe -> anyone (I think the batteries in my kbd are running flat)
[04:40] <Guardiann> have you looked at their site at all?
[04:40] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, all day long=)
[04:40] <Guardiann> hmmm  try here
[04:40] <Guardiann> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docs/en/faq.php
[04:40] <iapx8088> website, you are right it's wrong
[04:41] <website> iapx8088, do yo want to know if a system goes better with initrd?
[04:41] <savage1r> Ok, so how about we try to tackle installing cinelerra?
[04:41] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, i've done all that...
[04:41] <iapx8088> website, yeah, or a good reason to use initrd in a custom kernel
[04:41] <Glin|Jol> how can i determine the version of a package i have installed?
[04:42] <website> iapx8088, in a CUSTOM kernel there is not reason
[04:42] <WillCooke> Ahh Skype fixed.  I needs libxft1 installing
[04:42] <website> Glin|Jol, use synaptic or dpkg
[04:42] <iapx8088> website, and why mainteneirs use ite?
[04:42] <iapx8088> it
[04:42] <website> iapx8088, initrd immages contains modules to run the system
[04:43] <iapx8088> ahh i see
[04:43] <cblack> hrm
[04:43] <website> it you should build a kernel for more people
[04:43] <cblack> why does a dist-upgrade to hoary install both x.org and xfree86?
[04:43] <Anubis> fixed it
[04:43] <iapx8088> I-ll go initrd
[04:43] <Anubis> I should help others:)
[04:43] <website> you should consi "any" hardware configuration as built in
[04:43] <savage1r> Website, let me know when you have a few seconds
[04:44] <website> cblack, it does it to solve dependencies
[04:44] <website> it is ok
[04:44] <cblack> website, yeah. noticed that a second later when it asked which server i wanted to use. hehe.
[04:44] <Anubis> does Hoary have Xorg 6.8?
[04:44] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, any ideas?
[04:44] <website> since x.org will be auto configurated for you
[04:44] <Guardiann> larsrohdin no sorry I have stuck with gnome
[04:44] <iapx8088> website, isee thanks for the help
[04:45] <website> Anubis, yes it has xorg
[04:45] <website> iapx8088, here to help (i'm joung and i'm happy to help)
[04:45] <website> savage1r, it seems to be your time
[04:45] <savage1r> sweet
[04:45] <website> :-)
[04:45] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, ok thanks alot anyway...
[04:45] <savage1r> ok, need to install this program cinelerra
[04:46] <Guardiann> yw
[04:46] <savage1r> It says it's an executable file
[04:46] <website> savage1r, it is in te repo?
[04:46] <savage1r> te repo?
[04:46] <diego> teh reposaurus
[04:46] <savage1r> oh...um...what are repositories?
[04:46] <website> i don't know anything about that program.. so
[04:47] <website> savage1r, repositories are where packages are (ubuntu servers)
[04:47] <savage1r> Oh, it's not from an ubuntu server
[04:47] <website> apt-get and synaptic have a file where the packages name are stored to and then the get them from ubutu servers
[04:47] <savage1r> It's an independant program for linux
[04:47] <savage1r> It's a video editing program
[04:47] <website> diego, :-)
[04:48] <website> savage1r, can i have a html page?
[04:48] <savage1r> um....hold on
[04:48] <website> ok sir!
[04:48] <savage1r> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[04:49] <savage1r> http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3
[04:49] <diego> website: it's not in the repos
[04:49] <website> diego, she has already said that
[04:49] <savage1r> Is it able to be installed?
[04:50] <SirFred> Firefox is crashing on hoary when I try to print.
[04:50] <website> savage1r, it seems to be an rpm file isn't it?
[04:50] <website> SirFred, arch?
[04:50] <savage1r> Yeah, I already ran the rpm
[04:50] <SirFred> website: i386
[04:50] <savage1r> But I can't get the program to run
[04:50] <website> savage1r, how?
[04:51] <savage1r> I double clicked on the rpm and selected a folder to extract to
[04:51] <SirFred> Perhaps it's related with mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[04:51] <website> have you done rpm -i package (it could not work)
[04:51] <website> ?
[04:51] <website> SirFred, i never tried it since i upgraded to hoary yesterday
[04:51] <savage1r> ok...maybe I don't understand how this works
[04:52] <website> savage1r, really it is not installed
[04:52] <savage1r> I just extracted the files
[04:52] <savage1r> I need to know how to install them
[04:52] <hybrid> hello
[04:52] <totzilla> hi
[04:53] <website> savage1r, windows is not linux
[04:53] <savage1r_> ?
[04:53] <savage1r_> I know
[04:53] <website> rpm is a special package
[04:53] <savage1r_> ok
[04:53] <website> it is not something like zip
[04:53] <diego> website: are you serious? shiiiiiit.
[04:53] <savage1r_> ok
[04:53] <savage1r_> so...
[04:53] <website> diego, fun guy :-)
[04:53] <website> rpm is like deb
[04:53] <savage1r_> I don't know that
[04:54] <website> but a little bit different
[04:54] <savage1r_> ok
[04:54] <website> you shoudl open the terminal
[04:54] <savage1r_> ok
[04:54] <website> and then go where you downloaded the package
[04:55] <savage1r_> ok
[04:55] <website> and then do rpm -i name-of-the-paclage (it could work)
[04:55] <website> since in debian i had to convert it in deb
[04:55] <savage1r_> ahhh, ok
[04:56] <SirFred> Is anybody else suffering this problem? I just press the print option on mozilla firefox file menu, and get a SIGSEGV
[04:56] <savage1r_> I'll try that, then come back if it don't work
[04:56] <diego> SirFred: i just tried it and it didn't happen to me
[04:56] <website> SirFred, submit the bug
[04:56] <SirFred> I'm going to restart the computer first.
[04:57] <website> savage1r, if it will not work (as i think) we neet to do sudo alinen package and then sudo dpkg -i package
[04:57] <SirFred> Because I've updated gtk2 a while ago.
[04:57] <website> SirFred, yes do that
[04:57] <SirFred> I've restarted gnome, I think it should be enought, but, who knows.
[04:57] <hybrid> i have an airport wireless card set up for my network but when i got to other wan's it doesn't recongize it/ why is that and how can i fix it?
[04:57] <website> SirFred, is better if you rebbot it and test again before submit a bug
[04:57] <diego> hybrid: wlan*, not wan
[04:58] <hybrid> oo srry
[04:58] <website> diego, it is not my field
[04:59] <diego> website: mine's always just worked :/
[04:59] <Xappe> SirFred, you're using Hoary right?
[04:59] <diego> Xappe: he left the room
[04:59] <Xappe> oh, didn't notice
[05:00] <website> Xappe, ^__^
[05:00] <savage1r_> Ok, website, it says I need to run alien and then run as root
[05:00] <website> ok check if you have alien installed
[05:00] <savage1r_> aparrently I do
[05:00] <website> ok
[05:00] <website> do
[05:00] <savage1r_> I ran it and it said I need to run as root
[05:00] <website> sudo alien package.rpm
[05:01] <zhukov> hello
[05:01] <savage1r_> file "package.rpm" not found
[05:01] <website> zhukov, happy day to you
[05:01] <website> -__-
[05:01] <zhukov> :D
[05:01] <website> more mind flexibility
[05:02] <savage1r_> Don't I just need to create a root account?
[05:02] <website> savage1r_, it was for you
[05:02] <zhukov> I'm i just the only one that cant hear sound when playing flash in firefox?
[05:02] <savage1r_> what was for me?
[05:02] <hybrid> did u try using the root terminal savage
[05:02] <website> zhukov, look at ubuntuguide.org
 more mind flexibility
[05:02] <zhukov> i did :)
[05:03] <website> package.rpm is a varible
[05:03] <savage1r_> I have no idea how to use the root terminal
[05:03] <website> no no
[05:03] <website> you never should use it
[05:03] <website> just
[05:03] <diego> how do you say 'XFCE'?
[05:03] <savage1r_> Oh, website
[05:03] <website> sudo alien name-of-the-package.rpm
[05:03] <jaza> how do i play a game thats in a .jar file?
[05:04] <savage1r_> I ran the alien command for the package and it said I needed to open it in root
[05:04] <jaza> cms//
[05:04] <jaza> cmd?
[05:04] <savage1r_> How do I create a root account?
[05:04] <website> jaza, it should be java i think
[05:04] <Xappe> diego, "exfschee" ;)
[05:04] <website> savage1r_, !!!!
[05:04] <diego> jaza: .jar is a zip file containing java stuff, try `java bleh.jar`
[05:04] <website> put "sudo" before the command"
[05:04] <diego> Xappe: are you kidding?
[05:04] <Xappe> yes
[05:04] <diego> good
[05:04] <savage1r_> ok
[05:05] <diego> i've always said 'XForce' in my head
[05:05] <diego> but now i feel stupid
[05:05] <rotundo> hello: what is the difference between fam and gamin, and why does ubuntu recomend the later to me? (it want to upgrade gamin, but conflicts with fam)
[05:05] <website> savage1r_, , you have an root account but is "unset" and it is betterto leave it as it
[05:05] <savage1r_> ok...., it made a .deb package
[05:05] <Xappe> diego, sorry 'bout that :)
[05:05] <website> now
[05:06] <website> savage1r_, sudo dpkg -i package-that-you-have-created-deb
[05:06] <diego> Xappe: ok seriously now, do you say each letter individually?
[05:06] <website> s/-deb/.deb
[05:06] <WillCooke> anyone else getting a seg-fault when installing samba on hoary?
[05:06] <andred> Hmm, the focus prevention stealing in metacity seams buggy. Sometimes a nautilus window starts up under Firefox for me.
[05:06] <website> diego, uhahahhaha
[05:07] <no0tic> andred: nautilus, always starts under other windows here...
[05:07] <Xappe> diego, well, i do that, but i don't know wheter or not it's right
[05:07] <diego> heh
[05:07] <website> no0tic, it is space stuff
[05:07] <website> no0tic, space navigation
[05:07] <diego> website: how do YOU say 'XFce'?
[05:07] <website> it should be better
[05:08] <website> diego, X F C E
[05:08] <diego> bah time-consuming
[05:08] <website> in italian: ics ef ci a
[05:08] <no0tic> website: I noticed: it starts just under the focused window, but over the others
[05:08] <diego> XForce makes it sounds like something right out of Star Wars though
[05:08] <PWM> when I type "sudo gedit /ect/apt/sources.list" in the console gedit opens sources.list, but the file is empty! how can that be?
[05:08] <diego> Luke, use the XForce!
[05:08] <website> yes you can go to parent folder easly
[05:08] <blah09> its /etc
[05:09] <PWM> damn :)
[05:09] <Xappe> diego, how about XFace then ;D
[05:09] <website> to close all the folder do "CTRL + Q"
[05:09] <blah09> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list =)
[05:09] <larsrohdin> if i want some program to start when i start fluxbox, where can i edit that?
[05:09] <PWM> got it :|
[05:09] <diego> Xappe: heh
[05:09] <website> blah09, what it will do?
[05:09] <savage1r_> ok, web, ran sudo dpkg -i on it, now what?
[05:09] <website> it is installed
[05:10] <diego> i'ma go take a nice steamy shower
[05:10] <savage1r_> ...where?
[05:10] <website> savage1r_, in you system
[05:10] <hybrid> is sudo better then using the root terminal?
[05:10] <blah09> website what do you mean?
[05:10] <savage1r_> How do I execute it?
 sudo /etc/apt/sources.list =)
[05:10] <Kyaneos> hi
[05:10] <hybrid> hi
[05:10] <blah09> oh i forgot the nano
[05:10] <Kyaneos> how can i play mp3 files with rhythmbox??
[05:10] <blah09> to edit your sources.list file
[05:10] <website> savage1r_, i looked into the rpm and there is not any desktop file you should run it from terminal
[05:10] <Kyaneos> please
[05:10] <blah09> kyaneos: sude apt-get install gstreamer-mad0.9
[05:10] <blah09> 0.8
[05:10] <diego> hybrid: `sudo -s` is about the same as `su` but sudo-y-er
[05:10] <blah09> sudo
[05:11] <Kyaneos> okis
[05:11] <blah09> my typing is bad today
[05:11] <website> go to the terminal and then write the name of the program
[05:11] <dud> you can only execute ELF executables... not ascii files heh
[05:11] <Kyaneos> thankyou very much
[05:11] <savage1r_> ok, with the .deb extension?
[05:11] <website> blah09, yes :-)
[05:11] <diego> dud: you can interpret ascii files...
[05:11] <website> no
[05:11] <website> savage1r_, without deb
[05:11] <savage1r_> ok
[05:12] <SoB> anyone have some insight as to why k3b (growisofs) won't burn DVDs faster then .7X...?  And after installing k3b using synaptic I can't run the setup because kcmshell is missing but not listed in synaptic
[05:12] <website> savage1r_, it is started?
[05:12] <diego> bye all...look out for reposaurus rexes as you leave
[05:12] <larsrohdin> how can i make a program start when i log in to fluxbox?
[05:12] <maximaus> Kyaneos, open up Synaptic and search for gstreamer-mad
[05:12] <robably> uhh, anyone know what might be cuasing the install to freeze after hardware detection? the error it reports (before hanging) is Kernel panic: fatal exception in interrupt in interrupt handler - not syncing
[05:12] <savage1r_> no
[05:12] <website> SoB, it is not the better way into ubuntu
[05:12] <website> larsrohdin, gonna google
[05:13] <SoB> website, I don't understand what you mean
[05:13] <website> maximaus, not gstreamer-mad but gstreamer0.8-mad on the universe
[05:13] <blah09> oh its just gstreamer-mad without the 0.8
[05:13] <blah09> oh
[05:13] <savage1r_> So, it was xmovie_1.9.13-2_i386.deb, I tried running that without the .deb extension
[05:13] <blah09> ah yes website is right
[05:13] <website> SoB, it is not the best thing to use kde stuff on ubuntu
[05:13] <maximaus> Anyone here used Beatrix? I'm throwing Linux on my aunties 2nd HDD (she's begging because of virii) and on the fence between it and Ubuntu (which I use on my box). She's got a 350mhz/192 clunker.
[05:14] <savage1r_> won't run, lol
[05:14] <blah09> lol
[05:14] <blah09> but fluxbox on it
[05:14] <website> blah09, i don't understand, is there a gstreamer-mad package?
[05:15] <blah09> yeah apparently, im not sure if it works though
[05:15] <SoB> website, even without k3b, just using growisofs on the command line it doesn't burn the possible 2x
[05:15] <savage1r_> Ugh this is the biggest drawback I can see in linux
[05:15] <blah09> on ubuntuguides.org they recommend gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:15] <website> blah09, yes it is true
[05:15] <Quest-Master> savage1r_, what drawback?
[05:15] <savage1r_> Pain in the ass installs
[05:16] <fc> Hi, I need a good program to burn audio and data cd's, and to burn from an iso
[05:16] <website> blah09, i don't find that package
[05:16] <website> fc www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:16] <SoB> I'm with fc, then, if k3b w/growisofs isn't a good idea.  What are the alternatives
[05:16] <SoB> very well
[05:16] <Quest-Master> savage1r_, what are you installing?
[05:16] <maximaus> fc, data and iso you can do with Nautilus just great. I use Gnomebaker for audio CDs.
[05:16] <fc> huh?
[05:16] <cubex> hello everyone
[05:16] <blah09> root@loki:/ # apt-cache search gstreamer-mad
[05:16] <blah09> gstreamer-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[05:16] <savage1r_> Private pm quest
[05:17] <cubex> why does postfix depend on ubuntu-base?!
[05:17] <fc> maximaus, how do you burn iso's with nautilus
[05:17] <Xappe> how about graveman? (haven't tried it myself)
[05:17] <maximaus> right click, "burn"
[05:17] <cubex> i want to remove postfix, but it says it'll remove ubuntu-base as well, how ome?!
[05:17] <fc> hm
[05:17] <blah09> maximaus: you could try installing ubuntu using the custom boot parameter with the install CD, then installing fluxbox instead of gnome
[05:17] <website> blah09, $ sudo apt-cache search gstreamer-mad
[05:17] <website> vincenzo@ubuntu:~ $
[05:18] <heliode> hey, can I ask a question about ubuntu? I just installed it on my laptop and the screen resolution won't go above 800x600, while I specified it during the install
[05:18] <website> blah09, nothing for me (using ubuntu servers without universe)
[05:18] <blah09> must be on universe then
[05:18] <maximaus> blah09, I'm using Gnome period, it runs just fine on that box as I've run Mandrake/gnome on it before.
[05:18] <savage1r_> well quest, I sudo alien'd an rpm, sudo dpkg -i'd it, and now I can't get them to execute
[05:18] <fc> maximaus, right click in the cd creator? i dont see "burn"
[05:18] <maximaus> the ram is the bottleneck anyway.
[05:18] <blah09> ah ok
[05:18] <maximaus> fc, no just right click on the file in the browser.
[05:19] <fc> oh
[05:19] <savage1r_> I'm a linux retard so it's kind of difficult
[05:19] <maximaus> blah09, so I'm looking for something that doesn't have a bunch of services in the background (like Fedora ;))
[05:19] <Quest-Master> savage1r_, alien doesn't always work perfectly
[05:19] <blah09> ahh
[05:19] <Quest-Master> What program did you want to install?
[05:19] <blah09> gentoo stage 1? ;)
[05:19] <savage1r_> xmovie and mix2005
[05:19] <website> Quest-Master, it is a rpm progrram
[05:19] <savage1r_> Going to try to install cinelerra next
[05:20] <heliode> I used 'fb1024x768' to get live distro's like Knoppix and BeatrIX to the right resolution. How can I do so for Ubuntu?
[05:20] <website> Quest-Master, whitout soureces
[05:20] <Quest-Master> website: Well, that is a crap program
[05:20] <website> Quest-Master, yes i know but he wanna play it
[05:20] <maximaus> heliode: Computer/System configuration/resolution.
[05:20] <savage1r_> Get errors like mix2005: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: nos such file or directory
[05:20] <website> Quest-Master, he did a .deb and install it
[05:21] <jaza> how do i get java for mozilla in ubuntu??
[05:21] <encKe`> I have a SB live sound card , but cant seem to get it going. Ubuntu wants to use my on board sound. How can i change this?
[05:21] <website> Quest-Master, do you know a good movie editor program (he is lookin for that)
[05:21] <website> ?
[05:21] <cubex> guys, what does it hurt if i remove ubuntu-base from my system?
[05:21] <jaza> encke, disable it in your bios
[05:21] <heliode> Maximaus: there i can only select 640x480 and 800x600. i did specify 1024x768 during the install though
[05:21] <maximaus> encKe`, I believe you need to disable the on board in the bios.
[05:21] <website> encKe`, there is a jumper on you motherboard
[05:21] <cubex> dpkg-query -L says ubuntu-base only contains 2 files, copyright and changes, so is it ok to remove it?
[05:21] <encKe`> awww......ok
[05:21] <savage1r_> I know this one is good website
[05:21] <maximaus> heliode, you'll have to manually edit the xfree config file then.
[05:22] <savage1r_> Just getting it to work is the trick
[05:22] <maximaus> and I'm not an authority on that LOL
[05:22] <jaza> maximaus, how do u install a jar file??
[05:22] <heliode> o ok...
[05:22] <website> savage1r_, it is is good why it is not package either in the universe
[05:22] <jaza> any sitees for linux nubs on installing files for linux??
[05:22] <encKe`> jaza ....check out this for ur java issue ---> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[05:22] <jaza> i did :/
[05:22] <jaza> cant dload it
[05:22] <jaza> lol
[05:22] <cubex> please?
[05:22] <website> jaza, yes google is the main site
[05:22] <Quest-Master> website: I don't know of any
[05:22] <maximaus> jaza what jar file do you want to install? That's a java file btw.
[05:22] <encKe`> worked for me
[05:22] <Quest-Master> I'm sure you can find some though
[05:22] <heliode> maximaus: i'll try that now..
[05:22] <jaza> umm
[05:22] <savage1r_> That's kind of irrelevent, I've read the reviews, talked to people who've used it, seen it's specs, it's a good program
[05:22] <jaza> silmar.jar
[05:23] <jaza> maximaus, there is a silmar.jar and a silmar_data.jar lol
[05:23] <website> savage1r_, so why it does not work?
[05:23] <maximaus> jaza, you'll need to install java to make it work.
[05:23] <savage1r_> User error, replace user
[05:23] <jaza> make what work?
[05:24] <jaza> its a game i downloaded
[05:24] <jaza> o i c
[05:24] <website> savage1r_, the only way to run it is from console
[05:24] <heliode> Maximaus: u think copying the XF86Config-4 file from Knoppix might do the trick?
[05:24] <website> try run it from console
[05:24] <encKe`> brb ....gonna change bios setting
[05:24] <blah09> heliode i'd just copy out the relevant bits
[05:24] <maximaus> heliode, that's a good idea--though I'd just print it out and use it for "inspiration". ;)
[05:24] <savage1r_> Is there a command I need to use when executing it?
[05:24] <heliode> hm ok i'll go try
[05:24] <website> heliode, have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86?
[05:25] <savage1r_> I mean, all the sudo alien, sudo dpkg -i stuff seemed to work
[05:25] <savage1r_> Maybe I'm just not using the right command to execute
[05:25] <heliode> ehm.. no i havent... i'll do that first
[05:25] <website> sudo dpkg -i package : says that it is installed right?
[05:26] <limaunion> Hi, I'm having some trouble with the new thunderbird 1.0 after upgrading my laptop from warty-backports, I can't get any email from my pop3 account, any ideas?
[05:26] <website> savage1r_,  sudo dpkg -i package : says that it is installed right?
[05:26] <Kyaneos> i have a problem with rhythmbox
[05:26] <website> Kyaneos, play an mp3? go to ubuntuguide.org
[05:26] <Kyaneos> it seems it plays mp3 files but it breaks
[05:27] <savage1r_> Unpacking cinelerra (from cinelerra_1.2.2-2_i386.deb
[05:27] <blah09> you'll have to be a little more specific than that ;)
[05:27] <savage1r_> Setting up cinelerra (1.2.2-2)...
[05:27] <heliode> website: what is the command i should do? i'm root btw.
[05:27] <website> Kyaneos, you have to install gstream-mad package
[05:27] <savage1r_> Then next command line
[05:27] <savage1r_> So I'm assuming it work
[05:27] <website> heliode, it will configure your xserver
[05:27] <website> savage1r_, ok
[05:27] <website> do
[05:28] <website> cinirella in your terminal
[05:28] <website> $cinirella
[05:28] <heliode> website; it says the package is not installed
[05:28] <website> the "$" means that you are on terminal
[05:28] <heliode> 'x-server-xfree86' is not installed
[05:28] <website> heliode, do you have xorg?
[05:29] <blah09> can you set rhythmbox to monitor a folder for mp3s?
[05:29] <website> blah09, import folder
[05:29] <blah09> will that monitor?
[05:29] <heliode> website: I just installed it today from  the latest CD. how can i check?
[05:29] <blah09> if i say an mp3 to the folder will rhythbox autoadd?
[05:29] <maximaus> blah09, no it won't unfortunately.
[05:29] <encKe`> thx for the sound advice. Werked great :)
[05:29] <blah09> =(
[05:29] <website> i used that than i add files and they are monitorated every atartup
[05:29] <blah09> too bad
[05:29] <savage1r_> cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:29] <blah09> ok ill try
[05:30] <maximaus> blah09, that's the ONLY thing I like about Juk.
[05:30] <website> heliode, use synaptic
[05:30] <blah09> i've never tried juk
[05:30] <blah09> no big deal though, on my xp box i used my computer as my library and played the m3u's in foobar =)
[05:30] <savage1r_> You see that error website?
[05:30] <website> savage1r_, it seems that the library is not in the good place
[05:30] <maximaus> savage1r_, then install the missing library.
[05:30] <savage1r_> ok, how?
[05:30] <SoB> =/
[05:31] <heliode> website; it seems i've got xfree86 installed
[05:31] <maximaus> blah09, there's always xmms: open folder and give it your root mp3 folder. I use Cymbaline.py at the command line. :P
[05:32] <website> heliode, so: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:32] <savage1r_> The Cinelerra package contains Cinelerra and most of the libraries needed to run it. We try to include all the dependancies because of the difficulty in tracking down the right versions. Also included are some utilities for handling files. The following are the general contents of all Cinelerra packages.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * Foreign language translations - These go into /usr/share/locale.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * Cinelerra executable - This goes into /usr/bin
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * Cinelerra plugins - These go into /usr/lib/cinelerra
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * soundtest - Utility for determining sound card buffer size.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * mplexhi - Multiplexing of MPEG elementary streams with standards conformance.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * mplexlo - Multiplexing of MPEG elementary streams without standards conformance but more efficiently.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * mpeg3toc - Utility for indexing and reading MPEG files.
[05:32] <SirFred> Is there any password wallet on ubuntu?
[05:32] <website> savage1r_, use a pastebin instead
[05:32] <savage1r_> pastebin?
[05:32] <website> ciao SirFred risolto con firefox?
[05:32] <heliode> website: ow now somethings happening... just a sec
[05:33] <SirFred> website: No.
[05:33] <SirFred> website: I'm going to open a bug report.
[05:33] <website> savage1r_, do not flood channel with long messages
[05:33] <jaza> maximaus
[05:33] <jaza> u there?
[05:33] <savage1r_> oh, sorry
[05:33] <SirFred> website: That was italian, wasn't it?
[05:33] <maximaus> Ya
[05:33] <jaza> hi
[05:33] <SirFred> website: :)
[05:33] <jaza> i got java installed now
[05:33] <jaza> how do i run silmar.jar
[05:33] <jaza> ?
[05:34] <website> yes SirFred excuse me i looked to you quit message
[05:34] <website> and it was italian
[05:34] <website> jaza, it should be $java program.jar
[05:34] <SirFred> What was my quit message?
[05:34] <Xappe> hmm, hope they'll fix the gtk themes soon :/
[05:34] <SoB> nautilus' ability to write cd/dvd is really cool, except when trying to write an ISO to a DVD it requests that I put in blank media over and over again, despite there already being one in the drive
[05:34] <website> SirFred, something like "abbandono"
[05:34] <SirFred> website: Weird.
[05:35] <maximaus> jaza: max@ubuntu:~ $ java -h
[05:35] <maximaus> Usage: java [-options]  class [args...]
[05:35] <maximaus>            (to execute a class)
[05:35] <maximaus>    or  java [-options]  -jar jarfile [args...]          (to execute a jar file)
[05:35] <SirFred> website: Oh, it was "Abandonando"
[05:35] <SirFred> website: Spanish.
[05:35] <jaza> hmm
[05:35] <iGadget_> hi
[05:35] <website> SirFred, it is the "present continuos" of abbandono in italian :-)
[05:35] <jaza> in readme it says type java -jar silmar.jar
[05:35] <SirFred> jaza: You need to know the name of the class.
[05:35] <jaza> ?
[05:35] <maximaus> jaza: exactly. :D
[05:35] <jaza> ya
[05:35] <jaza> but it says
[05:36] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ java -jar silmar.jar
[05:36] <jaza> bash: java: command not found
[05:36] <iGadget_> anyone got some experience with 1600x1200 displays using dvi on linux?
[05:36] <SirFred> jaza: You need to have java in your path.
[05:36] <crackerjack> Hello all!! I cannot login to gdm!! I have installed Ubuntu three times over again, and still I cannot login using gdm. Under a normal terminal it works okay
[05:36] <jaza> huh?
[05:36] <SirFred> jaza: Where have you installed java?
[05:36] <hybrid> hello
[05:36] <iGadget_> I got mine working... but the display's distorted
[05:36] <jaza> to home
[05:36] <jaza>  /home/user/
[05:36] <savage1r_> Oh well, fuck it
[05:36] <heliode> website ok, i'm done. now i suppose i'll have to restart the x server?
[05:36] <SirFred> jaza: So, where is the java executable ?
[05:36] <jaza> o wait /home/jaza/
[05:37] <jaza> what
[05:37] <SirFred> jaza: The binary called java.
[05:37] <jaza> where
[05:37] <SirFred> jaza: Yes, where?
[05:37] <hybrid> i have a wlan and my aiport card works perfectly on it but when i went to a friends house the wlan did not work i have a linksys and she has a netgear
[05:37] <jaza> i have no idea what that is
[05:37] <maximaus> jaza, that's unusual but fine--just make a symlink from your ~/javaxxx/bin/java to /usr/local/bin/java
[05:37] <SirFred> jaza: You said that you had installed java, didn't you?
[05:38] <jaza> ya
[05:38] <crackerjack> Hello all!! I cannot login to gdm!! I have installed Ubuntu three times over again, and still I cannot login using gdm. Under a normal terminal it works okay
[05:38] <maximaus> jaza, do you know what a shortcut is in windows? A symlink is kinda like that.
[05:38] <SirFred> jaza: So, how did you installed it? Tell me the steps to install you followed.
[05:38] <jaza> o i c
[05:38] <hybrid>  i have a wlan and my aiport card works perfectly on it but when i went to a friends house the wlan did not work i have a linksys and she has a netgear. why is that?
[05:38] <jaza> ld on ill look
[05:38] <jaza> sudo sh /home/jaza/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[05:38] <jaza> thats where
[05:38] <iGadget_> crackerjack: probably your gfx card is not correctly installed
[05:38] <SirFred> jaza: That's how.
[05:39] <jaza> ?
[05:39] <jaza> thats what i did
[05:39] <jaza> so.?
[05:39] <jaza> lol
[05:39] <iGadget_> crackerjack: nvidia card?
[05:39] <SirFred> jaza: That's the installer.
[05:39] <jaza> ya i installed it already
[05:39] <SirFred> jaza: Did it asked you about some location ?
[05:39] <jaza> thats cmd i used
[05:39] <jaza> no
[05:39] <crackerjack> iGadget_,? I can start X I can start GNOME.. yes Nvidia
[05:39] <jaza> i have the file in my desktop the folder with a lock on it
[05:39] <SirFred> jaza: It asked you nothing?
[05:40] <jaza> no
[05:40] <jaza> well
[05:40] <SirFred> jaza: That's because it's write protected.
[05:40] <jaza> to accept license agreement
[05:40] <SirFred> jaza: That's strange.
[05:40] <SirFred> OK.
[05:40] <SirFred> And then?
[05:40] <jaza> then i accepted it installed
[05:40] <iGadget_> crackerjack: so you do have gfx... it's not just a plain console you're getting?
[05:40] <heliode> website: lol now my screen is all screwed up... let me try that again
[05:40] <SirFred> Didn't it told you where it was to be installed?
[05:40] <altan> how do I install an icon theme in GNOME? I downloaded an icon pack from the GNOME art website, but when I drag it to the Icons view it does nothing\
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> when i boot up it says "cannot allocate device." what does that mean?
[05:40] <jaza> dunno
[05:40] <jaza> leme reinstall
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: OK
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: And now, pay attention to the messages.
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: Try to see where it's installing java.
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: Or try this, before:
[05:41] <jaza> k
[05:41] <jaza> ?
[05:41] <SirFred> /usr/local/bin/java -v
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: What we are trying to know, is where got your java installed.
[05:42] <crackerjack> iGadget_, GFX Than I need to look in xorg.cong or whatever.. gnome starts though (with startx)
[05:42] <jaza> sudo sh /home/jaza/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin so i type this first?
[05:42] <SirFred> jaza: No.
[05:42] <jaza> ?
[05:42] <jaza> what then?
[05:42] <SirFred> jaza: Let's try to see if it got installed in /usr/local.
[05:42] <SirFred>  /usr/local/bin/java -v
[05:42] <crackerjack> iGadget_, only gdm doesn accept my login
[05:42] <SirFred> Try that, to see if java got installed on /usr/local
[05:42] <lamont> cubex: ubuntu-base Depends: postfix, because postfix is part of base
[05:42] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ /usr/local/bin/java -v
[05:42] <jaza> bash: /usr/local/bin/java: No such file or directory
[05:42] <iGadget_> crackerjack: hmmm... then I guess you have a different problem then
[05:42] <SirFred> jaza: Bad luck, it's not there.
[05:42] <jaza> lol
[05:43] <jaza> only thing i typed in csole was that sudo sh command
[05:43] <Menaherann> hello
[05:43] <SirFred> jaza: YOu still have that console opened?
[05:43] <jaza> am i suposed to do something else?
[05:43] <Menaherann> anybody home?
[05:43] <jaza> ya
[05:43] <iGadget_> crackerjack: gdm doesn't accept your password?
[05:43] <SirFred> jaza: So, try to scroll up and see where it got installed.
[05:43] <jaza> its in my home directory
[05:43] <ewf345> can someone help? my installation hangs on creating device node: /dev/raw1394
[05:43] <jaza> i said that before lol
[05:43] <jaza> the java folder is in there
[05:43] <crackerjack> iGadget_, yes.. I can start gnome or x or whatever, only gdm doesn acceptmy login. Everybody else does
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: The folder?
[05:44] <jaza>  yes  /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: How is it named?
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: :)
[05:44] <jaza> lol
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: So, type:
[05:44] <crackerjack> I can pop up a terminla and login...
[05:44] <SirFred> export PATH=$PATH:/home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin
[05:44] <jaza> k
[05:44] <jaza> done
[05:44] <iGadget_> crackerjack: sounds like a passwd sync prob with gdm and the rest of the system... I don't have any experience with that, sorry
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: Now try: java -v
[05:44] <crackerjack> iGadget_, ok.. thanks
[05:45] <jaza> Unrecognized option: -v
[05:45] <jaza> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: That's fine.
[05:45] <Menaherann> ok.. now is better
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: Now, you should be able to run your program.
[05:45] <jaza> :D
[05:45] <jaza> danke
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: But only on that shell.
[05:45] <jaza> thnx
[05:45] <jaza> ?
[05:45] <jaza> what?
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: I'm going to try to explain it.
[05:45] <heliode> brb
[05:45] <jaza> name of file is silmar.jar
[05:45] <Menaherann> i kinda need some help... will anybody will be willing to provide?
[05:46] <jaza> k
[05:46] <iGadget_> Anyone know how I can tweak DVI settings in linux?
[05:46] <SirFred> jaza: When you type a command on your shell, like 'java'
[05:46] <jaza> wait whats a shell
[05:46] <jaza> csole?
[05:46] <SirFred> jaza: Well. It's the program that runs on the console, for example.
[05:46] <jaza> ok
[05:46] <SirFred> jaza: On linux, it uses to be 'bash'
[05:46] <jaza> i c
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: Something like the 'command' on windows.
[05:47] <jaza> ja
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: It's interactive, you type commands and gives you a result for them.
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: For example, 'java' is a command. When you type that, the shell tries to find it in some locations.
[05:47] <jaza> k
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: That locations are the ones listed in the PATH variable.
[05:48] <SirFred> So, if you type:
[05:48] <SirFred> echo $PATH
[05:48] <sig> whats the latest stable release? Warty?
[05:48] <SirFred> You will see that it contains some locations on your filesystem, delimited with the ':' character.
[05:49] <SirFred> The programs use to be installed in some standar locations, like /usr/bin, /bin, etc.
[05:49] <jaza> k
[05:49] <Menaherann> ok..
[05:49] <sig> is warty the latest stable?
[05:49] <SirFred> When you install a program in a non standard location (like /home/jaza/jre5.blabla) ,  you need to change your PATH variable, to instruct the shell to look also on that path for your executables. ok?
[05:50] <Menaherann> i need soem help configuring the network on Ubuntu
[05:50] <jaza> o i c
[05:50] <jaza> $ export PATH=$PATH:/home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin thats this?
[05:50] <SirFred> jaza: The problem is that the change is only visible for the shell you're running. When that shell terminates, the PATH variable will reset.
[05:50] <SirFred> jaza: Yes.
[05:50] <jaza> o
[05:50] <SirFred> jaza: You need to put that command in a location to be loaded for every shell you run.
[05:51] <jaza> how
[05:51] <iGadget_> menaherann: what's the prob
[05:51] <SirFred> jaza: For example, in a file called .bash_profile on your home directory.
[05:51] <Menaherann> welll i just installed Ubuntu a couple of days ago...
[05:51] <SirFred> jaza: That file is read by the shell when it starts. So, you can put that command in that file, but be careful where you put it.
[05:52] <SirFred> jaza: Perhaps there're more modifications for that variable on that file. Take a look at it.
[05:52] <jaza> can i just reinstall java to the normal place?
[05:52] <SirFred> jaza: It's not that easy.
[05:52] <Menaherann> apparently works fine nut the detail is that i conect to the internet via USB, and i don,t know how to configure that!
[05:52] <jaza> o
[05:52] <jaza> damn :/
[05:52] <jaza> ima linux nub lol
[05:52] <jaza> learnig though
[05:52] <jaza> <3 ubuntu
[05:52] <sig> I'm confused on Hoary and Warty?
[05:52] <SirFred> jaza: You have another posibility.
[05:52] <sig> which is the latest?
[05:52] <sig> and which is stable?
[05:53] <jaza> ?
[05:53] <SirFred> jaza: You can make a symlink.
[05:53] <jaza> how
[05:53] <SirFred> jaza: It's like a windows shortcut.
[05:53] <jaza> coo
[05:53] <sevi> hello
[05:53] <iGadget_> menaherann: I guess you'll have to find out if your usb (modem?) device is supported by linux first...
[05:53] <SirFred> jaza: Just type:  sudo ln -s /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java
[05:53] <Xappe> sig: Warty is the stable one
[05:54] <sig> Hoary is the unstable bleeding edge then I take it?
[05:54] <Menaherann> well it is recognized by the device manager, at least
[05:54] <Xappe> yes
[05:54] <SirFred> jaza: That way, you will have a "shortcut" to java in a place where the shell usually looks for binaries.
[05:54] <jaza> k
[05:54] <sevi> does anyone know how to get the new fglrx driver to work on warty?
[05:54] <jaza> sweet
[05:54] <sig> Xappe: thanks dude
[05:54] <SirFred> jaza: But that's a worse option.
[05:54] <iGadget_> xappe: is Warty automatically updated as soon as Hoary is released?
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> Hi Everyone, I have a problem with my soundcard and Hoary
[05:54] <Xappe> sig: np
[05:54] <jaza> lol
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> checked the ubuntu bugzilla, couldn't find anything.
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> Basically getting absolutely no sound.
[05:54] <Xappe> iGadget_, you probably have to upgrade yourself
[05:54] <SirFred> jaza: Because in this way, for example, if you want to use the java compiler, you need to make another symlink.
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> Works under Suse 9.2 + KDE.
[05:55] <crackerjack> Hello anyone?? I CANNOT loginusing GDM. I can popup any terminal and use that to login, but NOT with gdm. I have tryed 3 different installations, I tryed to reinstall GDM, I looked at sever log files..nothing! I can start X or GNOME or whatever but not VIA GDM. Anyone?
[05:55] <SirFred> jaza: Just updating your PATH, the shell will found for itself all the binaries in the new path.
[05:55] <sevi> does anyone know how to get the new fglrx driver to work on warty?
[05:55] <iGadget_> Menaherann: I'm not sure if that means anything... could be the data is simply read from the usb bus
[05:55] <jaza> sudo ln -s /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java right?
[05:55] <SirFred> jaza: Do you understand?
[05:55] <Grev> can someone using hoary send me their sources.list
[05:55] <SirFred> jaza: Right.
[05:55] <jaza> did that
[05:55] <vinic> Hi all! I have two computers linked to a hub, then hub to a DSL modem. I managed to launch connection from the first computer but I can't figure out how to share that connection for the second computer... anyone can help?
[05:55] <Xappe> iGadget_, by changing all "warty" to "hoary" in your sources.lst
[05:56] <SirFred> jaza: I'm sorry, but you are too newbie and I'm not english speaker.
[05:56] <iGadget_> xappe: that's the next question I wanted to ask, thanks :)
[05:56] <jaza> lol
[05:56] <Menaherann> ok... but in any case, will it count as a LAN, or as Ethernet, ?
[05:56] <SirFred> jaza: Just try to understand what you're doing. OK'
[05:56] <Menaherann> how should i go abuot configuring?
[05:56] <jaza> k
[05:56] <heliode> Hey, what is the difference between the XF86Config and the XF86Config-4 file?
[05:56] <jaza> sudo ln -s /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java i did this
[05:56] <Grev> i'm looking for the proper multiverse and backport server for hoary
[05:56] <jaza> and looked in bin for java and its no there
[05:56] <Xappe> iGadget_, and then doing a apt-get update, atp-get dist-upgrade
[05:57] <SirFred> Where?
[05:57] <SirFred> Where is "in bin" ?
[05:57] <jaza> o woops
[05:57] <jaza> nvm
[05:57] <iGadget_> menaherann: I'd check google for the device name in combination with linux... see what pops up
[05:57] <jaza> its there
[05:57] <jaza> :)
[05:57] <SirFred> jaza: I don't understand half of your achronims.
[05:57] <jaza> k now hoe do i open silmar.jar lol
[05:57] <Menaherann> allr ight, thanks iGadget!
[05:57] <jaza> how*
[05:58] <iGadget_> xappe: just as with debian... but will hoary always be unstable, or will it eventually become stable?
[05:58] <SirFred> jaza: Just the way you where trying before.
[05:58] <jaza> silmar.jar?
[05:58] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ java silmar.jar
[05:58] <jaza> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: silmar/jar
[05:58] <Xappe> iGadget_, when hoary is released they're starting on Grumpy i think
[05:58] <socketbind> java -jar silmar.jar
[05:58] <socketbind> that's the correct form
[05:58] <jaza> k
[05:58] <gaatmx> greetings from Mexico
[05:58] <Grev> would someone using hoary email me there sources.list, especially of you use multiverse and backports
[05:58] <jaza> omgf it works!!
[05:58] <SirFred> socketbind: Sure? I thought you need to provide the class name.
[05:59] <Grev><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:59] <jaza> thanks guys sirfred
[05:59] <jaza> :)
[05:59] <SirFred> jaza: np
[05:59] <jaza> it worked
[05:59] <jaza> ::)
[05:59] <socketbind> oh yes, but it wants to search the classes in the local path not the jar
[05:59] <jaza> <3
[05:59] <Grev> TIA
[05:59] <SirFred> socketbind: So, how does the JVM know what class to invoque?
[05:59] <socketbind> every jar file has a file name manifest
[06:00] <socketbind> it contains the name of the main class
[06:00] <socketbind> so it knows
[06:00] <SirFred> socketbind: I understand. Thanks.
[06:00] <socketbind> np, anyway i'm losing my faith in java :D
[06:00] <SirFred> socketbind: I'm not a java friend.
[06:00] <chillywilly> python!
[06:00] <socketbind> you mean you don't like java, SirFred? :D
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: Well, I've worked too little with java.
[06:01] <socketbind> well, I start to feel so
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: A language I've liked is Objective C
[06:01] <socketbind> under ubuntu is very unstable for me
[06:01] <chillywilly> who comes up with the silly code names?
[06:01] <socketbind> good ol' times huh? :D
[06:01] <jaza> hmm now i clicked start new game it says path:/home/zazeem/ ???
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: Well, not that old.
[06:01] <jaza> and lists junk
[06:01] <PWM> could someone talk me through how to re-compile my kernel? or give me links to howtos... I've searched a lot but I haven't found anything :(
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: All the cocoa layer in OSX is based on Objective C.
[06:01] <socketbind> i only worked in c++ and don't know anything about it's history :D
[06:02] <socketbind> wow nice
[06:02] <jaza> got it nvm :)
[06:02] <SirFred> socketbind: It's a really powerful language, it lacks a garbage collector, perhaps.
[06:02] <socketbind> i love mac os x
[06:02] <chillywilly> apt-get kernel-package ;)
[06:02] <socketbind> well well, now i'm try to learn python
[06:02] <SirFred> socketbind: I also work mainly with C++
[06:02] <chillywilly> apt-get install kernel-package, that is
[06:02] <socketbind> SirFred: me too :D but i'm only a hobbyist/student :D
[06:02] <socketbind> love to code opengl/sdl
[06:02] <jaza> # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
[06:02] <jaza> #
[06:02] <jaza> #  SIGBUS (0x7) at pc=0x4095aa62, pid=5750, tid=1181985712
[06:02] <jaza> #
[06:02] <jaza> # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.5.0_01-b08 mixed mode, sharing)
[06:02] <jaza> # Problematic frame:
[06:02] <jaza> # C  [libzip.so+0xfa62]
[06:02] <jaza> wtf is that :(
[06:03] <SirFred> socketbind: OpenGL is a fantastic API
[06:03] <SirFred> socketbind: How elegant.
[06:03] <hikaru79> jaza, ask in #java
[06:03] <socketbind> SirFred: yeah, i love it too :D
[06:03] <jaza> k
[06:03] <PWM> chillywilly, ok... I tried to install a kernel via synaptic, but I think it just installed some headers... I'm a newbie :|
[06:03] <Anubis> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `alsa.pc'
[06:03] <chillywilly> PWM: you want a binary?
[06:03] <Grev> what are the backport servers for hoary?
[06:03] <SirFred> socketbind: First time I saw it, I said: this is the way to do it. All that transformation matrixes.
[06:03] <socketbind> SirFred: funny I wanted to start with DX but it is an ugly piece of....
[06:03] <jaza> ythere isnt a chnnl called #java
[06:03] <Anubis> `alsa.pc' I can't find this fie
[06:03] <iGadget_> okay... just kicking my problem up again:
[06:03] <iGadget_> Anyone got some experience with DVI in linux?
[06:03] <socketbind> SirFred: OGL is the way to go :D
[06:04] <SirFred> socketbind: Never saw it, but I was told about its uglyness.
[06:04] <unperson> Anyone here have an Intel i810 or i815 video chipset working with Ubuntu?  Mine is mostly working, but I'm curious to see someone else's XF86Config.
[06:04] <socketbind> yeah especially that COM object model
[06:04] <PWM> chillywilly, I just want a kernel that support some power management and that can spin down my harddrives...
[06:04] <tritium> Grev, you don't need backports with Hoary.  It's in active development.
[06:04] <chillywilly> I had written a small debian kernel howto at one time in my life
[06:04] <SoB> ok, nautilus won't let me burn DVDs, it just sits at the 'insert rewritable/blank media' any ideas?
[06:04] <socketbind> well the entire stuff is pure evil
[06:04] <Menaherann> who can recomend anetwork adapter supported by BOTH windows and Linux?
[06:04] <SirFred> socketbind: :)
[06:04] <socketbind> now I only do multiplatform development
[06:04] <socketbind> :D
[06:04] <iGadget_> menaherann: intel pro/100
[06:04] <SirFred> socketbind: That's fine
[06:04] <socketbind> my stuff should be avaible for everyone :D
[06:05] <unperson> Menaherann, I've had a gigabit ethernet NIC that works fine with both.
[06:05] <iGadget_> menaherann: or the pro/1000 if you need it ;)
[06:05] <unperson> Menaherann, But I think most major brands ought to do ok, right?
[06:05] <Grev> does ftp://ftp.nerim.net repos work under hoary?
[06:05] <socketbind> well for some strange reason I "lost" su-to-root in /usr/sbin
[06:05] <chillywilly> oops, wrong window...I already announces that here ;)
[06:05] <socketbind> how can I restore it?
[06:05] <chillywilly> announced
[06:05] <titoo> just upgraded to hoary, the fonts are not nice anymore, any idea?
[06:06] <tritium> Grev, you can use Marillat repos with Hoary, yes.
[06:06] <socketbind> was it a symlink?
[06:06] <Grev> tritium, thanks
[06:06] <tritium> yep
[06:06] <jaza> socketbind, how do i uninstall java?
[06:06] <chillywilly> anyone here ever been ice fishing?
[06:06] <socketbind> rm -rf /usr/java/<java dir>
[06:06] <socketbind> for instance jre1.4.2
[06:07] <socketbind> and remove the symlink in you browser's plugin dir
[06:07] <tritium> that's if you didn't build a java .deb package
[06:07] <klaym> chillywilly: yea, it's boring
[06:07] <chillywilly> no way dude
[06:07] <socketbind> usually situated in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[06:07] <jaza> its in /zhome/zazeem/
[06:07] <jaza> home*
[06:07] <socketbind> oh yes i almost forgot
[06:07] <socketbind> how did you installed it?
[06:07] <chillywilly> fishing is more about just getting outdoors and relaxing ;)
[06:07] <jaza> umm
[06:07] <socketbind> deb package, self extracting archive from sun ? (not rpm)
[06:08] <jaza> like this
[06:08] <eBopBob> hey - is there any detailed guide on how to partition a hard drive using ubuntus installer? - i'd like to ideally partition my 250gb hdd into 7 parts
[06:08] <jaza> sudo sh /home/zazeem/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:08] <arabflak> Bugger.
[06:08] <socketbind> aham
[06:08] <jaza> i dloaded it and thern typed this in csole
[06:08] <jaza> sudo sh /home/zazeem/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:08] <jaza> lol
[06:08] <socketbind> then you have it in your home
[06:08] <jaza> ya
[06:08] <socketbind> just remove the dir
[06:08] <jaza> how do i uninsatall?
[06:08] <arabflak> I can't get my microphone to work... :S I'm so sad, I want to skype... need microphone.
[06:08] <socketbind> it does not make any symlink afaik
[06:08] <jaza> ?
[06:08] <SirFred> jaza: rm -rf /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01
[06:08] <socketbind> no system-wide stuff
[06:09] <eBopBob> any1?
[06:09] <socketbind> i have the same version but the jdk, it's very unstable :(
[06:09] <SirFred> jaza: Well, perhaps jaza, perhaps zazeem, don't know
[06:09] <socketbind> well maybe only for me...
[06:09] <SirFred> socketbind: I've read that java 5 was a great speed improve
[06:09] <socketbind> oh yes, i love the improvement :D
[06:09] <SirFred> I'd say: a necesary speed improvement
[06:10] <SoB> wah, why can't I burn :-(
[06:10] <jaza> k now how do i install it to usr/local/ wtvr
[06:10] <iGadget_> ebopbop: do you have any existing data on the drive which needs to be saved?
[06:10] <arabflak> I've tried alsamixer and it said that it's turned off. But how do I enable it?
[06:10] <tritium> SoB, maybe you're not flammable
[06:10] <socketbind> yeah it was EXTREMELY necessary
[06:10] <arabflak> (microphone)
[06:10] <SirFred> SoB: What's the problem.
[06:10] <wk1989> guys
[06:10] <SoB> I was wondering when the first smart-a$$ comment would crop up
[06:10] <jaza> how do i install it to the right directory
[06:10] <SirFred> SoB: ANy error message ?
[06:10] <wk1989> is skype working for u rite now?
[06:10] <socketbind> one of things what most people know about java is it's inhuman speed... :D