[17:25] <flaccid> i guess these things are a bit of a mystery until you look until it. we'll see how amarok 2 des
[17:25] <flaccid> does
[17:25] <KomiaPoika> Xbehave^away: then start as user from /opt/google-earth/?
[17:25] <eagles0513875> KomiaPoika: not sure should just search for it using apt-cache search then name of pkg then run sudo apt-get install name of pkg and it downloads and installs it for ya
[17:26] <eagles0513875> flaccid: it could be that ur on kde4 and im on 3.5
[17:26] <eagles0513875> *your
[17:26] <KomiaPoika> eagles0513875: Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[17:26] <jussi01> !medibuntu
[17:26] <eagles0513875> KomiaPoika: what program u trying to install
[17:26] <Xbehave^away> nah then i had to run it as root erm sudo /opt/google-earth/googleearth
[17:26] <jussi01> KomiaPoika: ^
[17:26] <jussi01> Xbehave^away: google earth is also in medibuntu
[17:27] <KomiaPoika> sudo /opt/google-earth/googleearth
[17:27] <KomiaPoika> [sudo] password for h:
[17:27] <KomiaPoika> Segmentation fault
[17:27] <eagles0513875> flaccid: firefox 3 is still rather bloaty u know if they fixed that memory leak in 2 and previous versions of it
[17:27] <KomiaPoika> it's google earth 4.3
[17:28] <Xbehave^away> but acording to the forums if you run the script as non-root it installs to /home/something which can be run as non-root
[17:28] <flaccid> yeah thats why i use opera
[17:28] <flaccid> same thing happens on kde3 in terms of sound for me
[17:28] <Xbehave^away> yeah always makes sense to sacrifice security for seed
[17:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid: you talking about getting jackd running then after stopping it getting the soun to work
[17:29] <flaccid> eagles0513875: no just in normal use out of box
[17:29] <eagles0513875> flaccid: ok
[17:30] <Xbehave^away> KomiaPoika: o sory missed your reply, erm do you allow execution in /tmp & /home ?
[17:30] <Xbehave> jussi01: does that still work since they released the beta?
[17:31] <jussi01> Xbehave: not sure.
[17:31] <eagles0513875> when is ibex coming out for testing and dev
[17:31] <KomiaPoika> i think medibuntu is saving my entire week
[17:32] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:32] <Xbehave> KomiaPoika: if its segfaulting im not sure ill be much help i only figured my way around a missing earth problem, try installing from mediabuntu repos
[17:32] <KomiaPoika> Xbehave: how do i check that?
[17:32] <jussi01> eagles0513875: ibex is already available - go to #ubuntu+1
[17:32] <KomiaPoika> damn
[17:32] <eagles0513875> jussi01: where can i download it from
[17:32] <KomiaPoika> i installed google-earth from medibuntu and it still segfaults
[17:32] <Xbehave> if you can run from /tmp & /home, well unless you specifically choose not to then itll be fine
[17:33] <jussi01> eagles0513875: join #ubuntu+1 ask questions there.
[17:33] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:33] <jussi01> eagles0513875: and be sure to read the topic
[17:36] <fildo> +--+-++
[17:37] <eagles0513875> how do i change sources
[17:37] <Xbehave_> KomiaPoika: sorry doesnt look like i can be much help, perhaps try installing 4.2?
[17:38] <eagles0513875> flaccid: hey
[17:42] <Pennycook> Just a note to anybody who hasn't gotten any updates today; might be a good idea to run sudo aptitude update followed by sudo aptitude full-upgrade.  Turns out there's a bug in OpenSSL that makes SSH private keys guessable.
[17:42] <eagles0513875> already did that today im installing pointless packages lol for no aparent reason
[17:43] <eagles0513875> also yesterday there was an update to gcc and g++
[17:45] <stefan_> hmm, always when I swith from static IP to dhcp , I loose the route after some time
[17:46] <Jucato> Pennycook: don't you mean "dist-upgrade"?
[17:47] <Pennycook> Jucato: No. full-upgrade upgrades all your packages to the most recent version. Afaik dist-upgrade is just for upgrading between distributions?
[17:49] <eagles0513875> humm
[17:49] <Jucato> Pennycook: there is no "aptitude full-upgrade" command.
[17:49] <Pennycook> I might be wrong, 'caus I can't find anything about dist-upgrade in the man page, but full-upgrade does what you want.
[17:49] <o_> anyone up to takeiing a newbie by the hand?
[17:49] <Jucato> it's aptitude dist-upgrade
[17:49] <Jucato> hm..
[17:49] <eagles0513875> Jucato: how do i update my repos so i can help with ibex
[17:49] <Pennycook> Jucato: I just ran aptitude full-upgrade, so I know that's what it is
[17:49] <eagles0513875> !ask | o_
[17:49]  * Jucato might be looking at an old man page then
[17:50] <Jucato> eagles0513875: #ubuntu+1 :D
[17:50] <eagles0513875> Jucato: nobody in there responding
[17:50] <Jucato> eagles0513875: but basically just edit your sources.list and change "hardy" to "intrepid"
[17:50] <eagles0513875> thats all i need to do
[17:50] <Pennycook> Jucato: Ah, just found dist-upgrade in my man page.  Apparently "full-upgrade" is the new version of dist-upgrade, and dist-upgrade is recognised as a synonym.
[17:50] <Jucato> :P
[17:51] <eagles0513875> Pennycook: they somehow linked together
[17:51] <eagles0513875> cuz i still use dist-upgrade
[17:51] <Jucato> Pennycook: fwiw, Adept and Synaptic both do dist-upgrade (full-upgrade) for their default "Upgrade" actions
[17:51] <Jucato> (Adept uses dist-upgrade for Full Upgrade and upgrade for Safe Upgrade)
[17:52] <o_> ok.. since upgradeing to 8.0 version my google earth crashes the system. Anyone know where I can find the fix?
[17:52] <Pennycook> Jucato: Oh right.  Learn something every day. XD
[17:53] <KomiaPoika> i can't get googleearth to start on kubuntu 8.04. no matter the version or how it installed, it segfaults
[17:53] <KomiaPoika> i can't get googleearth to start on kubuntu 8.04 amd64. no matter the version or how it installed, it segfaults
[17:54] <o_> komia.. it ran great on the previous version
[17:54] <KomiaPoika> o_: you mean on kubuntu 7.x?
[17:54] <o_> yes komia
[17:54] <KomiaPoika> :(
[17:55] <o_> my sentiments too ;)
[17:55] <KomiaPoika> how can i trace the segfault
[17:56] <o_> ?..  I get the burn completed mess. but dvd-rw remains empty
[17:59] <o_> could that be due to the 'brand' of dvdrw?
[18:00] <o_> k3b burns cd fine
[18:00] <Xbehave_> is anybody having proplems with kopete + msn today?
[18:03] <Chrysalis> should my mouse back/forth buttons work in konqueror? because they are not
[18:03] <Xbehave_> do they work in other programs?
[18:03] <Xbehave_> e.g firefox
[18:04] <Chrysalis> in firefox yea, but under gnome
[18:04] <Xbehave_> and under kde?
[18:04] <Chrysalis> let me see
[18:05] <Chrysalis> yep, working in firefox
[18:05] <Jucato> because Firefox is setup to work with it by default. KDE/Konqueror isnt... I think there are some guides floating around on how to enable that
[18:06] <Jucato> try Google
[18:06] <Chrysalis> what about dolphin etc?
[18:07] <Chrysalis> anyway, ill google around, thx
[18:09] <pomka> Привет все!!!
[18:09] <Xbehave_> sory i wanders off to do revision, yeah if it works in firefox it means the mouse/settings are fine, just most programs dont know what to do with extra keys, i think theres a program you can install to use it with almost any program
[18:10] <Jucato> !ru | pomka
[18:13] <bipolar> Is anyone here showing LDAP users in the KDM users list?
[18:13] <bipolar> It seems that if I try to hide users that belong to an LDAP group, none of the ldap users show up.
[18:14] <bipolar> but if I create a local group and add ldap users to it, I can hide that group correctly.
[18:14] <msnbot> Pressing "Administrator Mode" doens't prompt password in "network settings - System settings"
[18:21] <advanced> Hi guys
[18:21] <advanced> i need help
[18:21] <advanced> How to upgrade my distro ?
[18:21] <advanced> with command to console ?
[18:23] <genii> advanced: Which version are you currently using
[18:23] <genii> ?
[18:24] <advanced> genil
[18:24] <advanced> 7.04
[18:25] <kreib> anyone knows how to shutoff laptop screen and have X show on vga connected lcd?
[18:25] <Trolley> hi... my dvd device doesn't work... what can i do?
[18:26] <STSX> In Konqueror, how do I display the used/free amount of my Kubuntu partition?
[18:26] <JoshOvki> Trolley: can you be a bit more specific?
[18:27] <genii> advanced: apt-cache search update-manager-core         to make sure the update manager is installed, then try: sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:27] <Trolley> JoshOvki, when i insert a cd/dvd in my device, my kubuntu doesn't do nothing ... and k3b doesn't see my device
[18:28] <JoshOvki> STSX: go to   /   right click, properties, it should tell you at the bottom
[18:28] <genii> advanced: the apt-cache search     there should be instead: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core               ... wrong copy/paste there
[18:28] <Jucato> STSX: if you're looking for something like D3lphin/Dolphin's status bar indicator.. nothing like that in Konqueror
[18:29] <wesley> they just ban me because i promote kubuntu on gnome
[18:29] <JoshOvki> wesley: gnome is for gnome not kubuntu, and im sure they warned you first
[18:29] <STSX> JoshOvki: If I right click the "root" folder in the left pane, select properties, it says "6 kB"--obviously not right. What should I be doing instead?
[18:29] <JoshOvki> Trolley: ok, kde 3 or 4?
[18:29] <Jucato> wesley: and rightly so... it's considered "trolling" or "flamebait" in many places
[18:30] <Trolley> JoshOvki, 3
[18:30] <wirechief> STSX why not just do df -h in a terminal
[18:30] <JoshOvki> STSX: click the root part, then in the main window (right pannel) right click in a empty space
[18:30] <joseph> !lamp
[18:30] <STSX> wirechief: Yes, I know how to use df. :) But I would like to be able to use the GUI too. :)
[18:30] <JoshOvki> Trolley: ok its hard for me to help because im in kde4 not 3
[18:30] <wirechief> STSX  ok
[18:31] <Jucato> STSX: if you notice, when you right-click on the Root Folder, it says "Contents: Desktop COnfig File"
[18:31] <Jucato> STSX: you're not actually viewing the properties of the / folder itself, but the .desktop file representing the root folder in Konqueror
[18:31]  * JoshOvki starts up desktop
[18:31] <Jucato> (so basically it's just a text file you're looking at)
[18:31] <Trolley> JoshOvki, where i can find help? with kubuntu feisty works feel
[18:31] <STSX> Jucato: OK, makes sense, thanks for the clarification. :)
[18:32] <STSX> Another newbie question: I'm used to using "Sessions" under Ubuntu to set programs for startup on boot. How do I do the same in Kubuntu? I'm using KDE 3.5 not 4.0.
[18:33] <Jucato> STSX: you might also want to look at 2 GUI ways to see your disk usage: one is Konqueror's File Size View under the View menu. another is the Filelight program, which can be used by itself or embedded in Konqueror
[18:33] <Jucato> !autostart | STSX
[18:33] <Jucato> STSX: btw, those don't start "on boot", they start "on login"
[18:34] <JoshOvki> Trolley: someone in here should be able to help
[18:34] <JoshOvki> Trolley: when you but a CD in, and look in system:/media   does it show up at all?
[18:35] <STSX> Jucato: Yes, I should have been more careful in my wording. So why doesn't Kubuntu have the "Go" menu in Konqueror where I can set startup programs? I have to use kcontrol-autostart instead?
[18:35] <Trolley> not JoshOvki ... nothing
[18:35] <JoshOvki> Trolley: ok, do you know what pastebin is?
[18:36] <Trolley> JoshOvki, sure
[18:36] <JoshOvki> Trolley: good, can you pastebin your /etc/fstab
[18:36] <Jucato> STSX: you can just type "~/.kde/Autostart/" in Konqueror
[18:36] <puma> !list
[18:36] <Jucato> (Kubuntu removed the Go and Window menus in Konqoueror 3)
[18:36] <Trolley> ok JoshOvki ... just a moment
[18:36] <toens> why is adept manager asking me to insert a disc instead of going online for a download?
[18:36] <JoshOvki> Trolley: just going to get a drink, will be back in 30secs
[18:37] <Trolley> JoshOvki, ok :D
[18:37] <STSX> Jucato: OK, I get it now. :)
[18:38] <Trolley> JoshOvki, i'm ready
[18:38] <JoshOvki> Trolley: ok, can you give me the link please
[18:38] <Trolley> JoshOvki, here? or notice?
[18:38] <JoshOvki> here
[18:38] <Trolley> JoshOvki, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11895/
[18:39] <JoshOvki> Trolley: ok, do you have a cd rom in your drive at the moment?
[18:39] <Trolley> yes JoshOvki
[18:39] <Jucato> STSX: ok... good luck
[18:39]  * Jucato goes now
[18:40] <JoshOvki> Trolly: ok, in command can you run in terminal    ls /media/cdrom
[18:40] <Trolley> JoshOvki, no output
[18:40] <puma> !list
[18:40] <JoshOvki> Trolly: sorry, ls /media/cdrom0
[18:40] <genii> perhaps: ls /media/cdrom/*
[18:41] <msnbot> hel
[18:41] <JoshOvki> genii: just my poor typing skills taking over :)
[18:41] <msnbot> Pressing "Administrator Mode" doens't prompt password in "network settings - System settings"
[18:41] <Trolley> JoshOvki, nothing
[18:41] <JoshOvki> Trolly: ok next try,   sudo mount -a
[18:41] <JoshOvki> and then  ls /media/cdrom0
[18:41]  * genii feeds JoshOvki more coffee
[18:41] <JoshOvki> genni: will running /media/cdrom*  look in everything to do with cdrom?
[18:42] <msnbot> entering command "kdesu kate" on terminal says "sudo: unable to resolve host shiplu-laptop"
[18:42] <Trolley> JoshOvki, nothing ... i believe that cdrom0 is the other cd device
[18:42] <JoshOvki> Trolley: you have 2 cd roms?
[18:42] <msnbot> my sudo is not working how can I fix it ??
[18:42] <Trolley> JoshOvki, 1 cdrom and 1 dvd ... the cdrom works, the dvd not
[18:43] <JoshOvki> Trolley: oh i see
[18:44] <genii> Trolley: Does /dev/scd1 exist?
[18:45] <Trolley> genii, how can i see it?
[18:45] <ahmed> hi i want to make flash auto mount
[18:46] <JoshOvki> genii: do you know how to check that, because fdisk wont do it
[18:46] <ahmed> when i connect any flash i ahve to make it enable from system setting how to  make it auto mount
[18:47] <Trolley> genii, i have scd0
[18:47] <JoshOvki> Trolley: try this      sudo mkdir /media/dvd && mount /dev/scd1 /media/dvd && ls /media/dvd         see if that works
[18:48] <wesley__> i am realy made at the ubuntu-nl commity they tried to let me shut my mouth about that ubuntu needs to promote kde more
[18:48] <JoshOvki> wesley__: kubuntu doesnt premote ubuntu
[18:49] <hydrogen> wesley__: off topic for here
[18:49] <Trolley> JoshOvki, the special device /dev/scd1 does not exist
[18:49] <JoshOvki> wesley__: #kubuntu-offtopic    for wineing
[18:49] <JoshOvki> Trolley: hmmmm, ok so scd1 doesnt exist
[18:49] <JoshOvki> Trolley: can you pastebin    sudo lspci
[18:50] <hydrogen> no need to sudo that
[18:50] <genii> Sorry for lag, work needed me a minute
[18:51] <JoshOvki> hydrogen: ok, wont hurt though, i wasnt 100% sure, so better safe than sorry
[18:51] <hydrogen> JoshOvki: you coulda tested it :)
[18:51] <hydrogen> better to sudo as little as possible
[18:51] <JoshOvki> hydrogen: i could have, but im lazy
[18:51] <Trolley> JoshOvki, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11898/
[18:53] <JoshOvki> Trolley: hmmm ok, it didnt give me the information i wanted
[18:54] <JoshOvki> hydrogen: how would trolley check the location / availability of his DVD rom that isnt showing up?
[18:54] <hydrogen> dunno, i'm lazy
[18:54] <genii> heh
[18:54] <JoshOvki> hydrogen: ... thanks for your help
[18:55] <Trolley> and so? :|
[18:56] <JoshOvki> Trolley: just thinking a moment
[18:56] <Trolley> JoshOvki, ah...ok
[18:57] <STSX> Newbie question: How do I get rid of Klipper from my system tray? If I right-click the panel, go "remove from panel", "applet", it doesn't show it listed there. Is there a way to remove it?
[18:57] <IppatsuMan> STSX: right click on Klipper and choose "Quit"
[18:58] <SebNaitsabes> right Ubuntu channel no good and  I do use KDE apps and sometimes  KDE itself as my GUI
[18:58] <SebNaitsabes> ,but  since both similar
[18:58] <SebNaitsabes> and the help will be the same or pretty much this is a good place to ask also
[18:59] <STSX> IppatsuMan: Thanks, I didn't realize it would give me an option to disable it on startup if I choose quit.
[18:59] <JoshOvki> Trolley: just a clutch at thin air but what about      sudo mount /dev/hda /media/dvd && ls /media/dvd
[18:59] <genii> Trolley: You added the other drive after system was installed?
[18:59] <Trolley> no genii
[18:59] <Trolley> JoshOvki, i have to run thath command?
[18:59] <SebNaitsabes>  got a few issues now,  but  i'll start off with the kernel issues.   right so yes this is Ubuntu Hardy Heron, but it seems I am running  2.6.22-14-generic  which is I guess an old kernel from Gutsy Gibbon.  hence also I am assuming why I am having such issues regarding the virtualbox kernel modules installation.  also  my Grub menu.lst has a load of stuff listed. ,but the actsaul Grub menu it self only has
[18:59] <JoshOvki> yes please
[19:00] <SebNaitsabes> or  Kubuntu Hardy Heron when I decice to run it
[19:00] <Trolley> JoshOvki, the special device /dev/hda does not exist
[19:00] <JoshOvki> darn it
[19:01] <JoshOvki> genii: any ideas?
[19:01] <SebNaitsabes> my Grub menu.lst has a load of stuff listed
[19:01] <SebNaitsabes> ,but it seems I am using some old kernel
[19:01] <SebNaitsabes> and  in Grub itself only stuff for one kernel and memtest and the thing for Vista
[19:01] <SebNaitsabes> this is also why I am assuming since the old kernel that I carn't get kernel modules instealled for Virtualbox
[19:01] <SebNaitsabes> any suggestions?
[19:02] <JoshOvki> gotta make a phone call
[19:02] <dany> Hola
[19:03] <dany> alguien sabe instalar el adaptador wifi azul de telefonica en kubuntu ?
[19:04] <llutz> !es | dany
[19:04] <dany> gracias ubottu
[19:06] <Trolley> genii, the system doesn't see my device... in /dev there is only scd0 ... not other scds
[19:13] <genii> SebNaitsabes: PErhaps install a later kernel by way of something like: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic                    or so. You can also sudo apt-get remove <the other ones you see in grub>
[19:13] <SebNaitsabes> well it's a right mess
[19:13] <SebNaitsabes> my Grub menu.lst
[19:13] <SebNaitsabes> and it seems it's using an old kernel
[19:13] <genii> Trolley: Physically how are your CD and DVD drive attached to your computer? IDE or SATA cable internally? USB? Firewire?
[19:14] <Trolley> genii, IDE
[19:14] <SebNaitsabes> 2.6.22-14-generic
[19:14] <SebNaitsabes> which I am assuming is from Gutsy
[19:14] <genii> SebNaitsabes: The kernel revision I listed is the latest stable Hardy is currently using at the moment
[19:15] <SebNaitsabes> I got a load of stuff listed in the menu.lst and it dosant' seem to be commented out.  which I am wondering about.  and Grub itself only lists the stuff for some kernel and memtest and my Vista entry
[19:15] <genii> Trolley: Have you physically checked that the cables are properly seated and that if on end of cable, set to master and if on midle of cable, set to slave? (jumpers on drives)
[19:15] <SebNaitsabes> I thought the same just edit  the menu.lst and  delete all the kernels expect the latest and then also the kernel modules for virtualbox should work
[19:16] <SebNaitsabes> I got other issues to, but get on that later
[19:16] <genii> SebNaitsabes: That should work, just remember to leave a viable one to load :)
[19:16] <Trolley> genii, before of install hardy, i had feisty... and with feisty worked good... and with windows xp works too ... so the configuration should be right
[19:18] <genii> Trolley: Please use pastebin to post output of commands:       ls /dev/sd* ; ls /dev/hd* ; sudo lshw
[19:19] <SebNaitsabes> it used to update the Grub menu
[19:19] <SebNaitsabes> when new kernels were installed
[19:19] <SebNaitsabes> ,but it stopped going that quite a while ago
[19:19] <SebNaitsabes> doing not going
[19:19] <SebNaitsabes> anyway here is my uploaded menu.lst and that what a mess aye?
[19:20] <SebNaitsabes> http://pastebin.com/m5388603f
[19:20] <Trolley> genii, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11911/
[19:20] <wirechief> Trolley have you tried to use imgburn it looks for your devices to see if i can use them.
[19:22] <Trolley> wirechief, in the output of lshw my device is not showed ... so i believe that no program can use it
[19:23] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Make sure initramfs-tools is installed, and that /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf contains       update_initramfs=yes   and  backup_initramfs=yes
[19:23] <genii> Trolley: Reading
[19:23] <Trolley> genii, my device is not showed
[19:24] <wirechief> Trolley well el crapo, hmm does this cdrom work in windows but not linux ?
[19:24] <Trolley> wirechief, yes
[19:24] <Trolley> wirechief, but with feisty it worked
[19:25] <SebNaitsabes> genni:  I guess things have gone like this, since I updated Gutsy to Hardy a dab early when it was on Beta
[19:25] <wirechief> Trolley (you have my curiosity) what computer model ?
[19:26] <Trolley> wirechief, eh... it haven't a model :D in my last pastebin you can see my hardware
[19:27] <Trolley> wof... i have to go... i will return! :D thanks for the interest! see ya!
[19:28] <genii> Trolley: Yes, I see that it can see the Phillips CD as slave on the first channel (HD is first device), and that no devices are seen on the second channel. Is your other drive recognising in the bios of the computer?
[19:28] <genii> bah
[19:29] <wirechief> genii dam it was just getting interesting.
[19:31] <genii> SebNaitsabes: When you choose another kernel from the grub list during boot, does it complain of something like can't mount VFS or something?
[19:31] <SebNaitsabes> I only have one kernel listed
[19:31] <SebNaitsabes> the stuff for only one kernel
[19:31] <SebNaitsabes> memtest and Vista
[19:32] <SebNaitsabes> that's been the case for a long while now
[19:32] <SebNaitsabes> even after it apparnatluy updated the kernel
[19:32] <SebNaitsabes> this is Grub legacy
[19:32] <SebNaitsabes> seems I am now using the old version of Grub
[19:32] <SebNaitsabes> maybe it's worth getting the new one I don't know
[19:33] <SebNaitsabes> and I have had issues with these versions of Grub here and there, so  maybe if I install the new Grub it will screw things up
[19:33] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Hmm. Perhaps you have somehow two /boot places. Did previously you have two separate linux booting from separate partitions?
[19:33] <SebNaitsabes> ah right yeah
[19:33] <SebNaitsabes> that's probably it then
[19:33] <SebNaitsabes> I had the normal /boot partition
[19:33] <SebNaitsabes> in an Ubuntu install
[19:34] <SebNaitsabes> ,but I carn't quite remember  what happended and all that and why I decided to do it, but
[19:34] <SebNaitsabes> I basically got another boot partition yeah
[19:34] <squid0> hi. I'm having some issues with the screensaver and compiz... when I move the mouse during the screensaver, it disappears, and I can see my entire desktop behind the dialogue box asking for my password! Also, when the screensaver ends upon login, the entire desktop is 'coated' with screensaver.... to restore it, I have to drag my cursor over the entire desktop...
[19:34] <SebNaitsabes> I got a Grub /boot folder partition with some other data as well
[19:35] <SebNaitsabes> so it's installing new kerneles, but then not updating?  the correct menu.lst?
[19:35] <shafire> heey
[19:36] <shafire> how can i get kubuntu to this: http://blog.chip.de/chip-linux-blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/news_gr.jpg ?? :)
[19:36] <SebNaitsabes> that would explain why in that one those kernels are not commented, but not actsaully showing in Grub itself
[19:37] <SebNaitsabes> genii: so what would you suggest?
[19:49] <genii> Sorry for lag, boss showed up at my desk here
[19:49] <SebNaitsabes> ok
[19:49] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Reading your back-comments, 1 minute
[19:51] <SebNaitsabes> squid0:  yeah Compiz and screensavers can have issues together
[19:51] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Yes, I suspect it's not updating the correct menu.lst somehow
[19:51] <SebNaitsabes> yep that's probably it
[19:51] <SebNaitsabes> is there a way to get it to automatically update the correct one?
[19:52] <SebNaitsabes> what if I deleted the menu.lst that I don't want it using that is part of Ubuntu.   then something won't like something?
[19:53] <Schorfi> shafire: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/168956/?p=1364299#1364299
[19:53] <SebNaitsabes> genii: any idea or I just got to do it manualley?
[19:54] <shafire> Schorfi, :(
[19:54] <Schorfi> :/
[19:54] <genii> SebNaitsabes: There seems no options in update-grub or grub-install to specify a particular menu.lst, unfortunately.
[19:54] <SebNaitsabes> well usaully compuers only have one
[19:55] <genii> AFK
[19:56] <shafire> Schorfi, so i will create it with screenlets
[19:56] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Do you know which one it's using and where it's located?
[19:56] <SebNaitsabes> got quite a lot of partitions here
[19:56] <SebNaitsabes> genii: but I can open the partition where it is yeah
[19:56] <Schorfi> guess you have to... tell me when you're finished :)
[19:57] <SebNaitsabes> after finding the correct one
[19:57] <SebNaitsabes> well finding dosan't take long since I can get in from Ubuntu no problem
[19:57] <genii> SebNaitsabes: I suspect it's using one on some partition like sda1 and the one it should is another
[19:57] <shafire> Schorfi, okay, i will
[19:58] <SebNaitsabes> ah  yeah Grub screwed up coudn't boot Ubuntu/Kubuntu and I took the easy way out by reinstalling Ubuntu  deleting everything, but the boot folder
[19:58] <SebNaitsabes> making the partion small and putting some other data on it to
[19:58] <SebNaitsabes> since in the past Grub had caused right problems and  that was something that I knew would probably work fine
[19:59] <SebNaitsabes> it's been a while since I done anything with my menu.lst so I forgot I had two untill you reminded me :)
[20:00] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Conceivably you could make it chainload the correct menu.lst
[20:00] <SebNaitsabes> what's chainload
[20:00] <reisi> hmm does anyone have an idea why i can't upgrade to 4.0.4 (from 4.0.3/kubuntu 8.04)?
[20:01] <reisi> i have the following in my /etc/apt/sources.list (amongst the others) deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[20:01] <genii> SebNaitsabes: If you look at the menu.lst entry for Windows boot, you'll see an example of chainloading method.
[20:01] <yuriy> reisi: what's the problem?
[20:01] <wesley_kde4> reisi you have to activate the backports
[20:01] <SebNaitsabes> genii: well yeah, but I don't know what chainloading is
[20:02] <reisi> yuriy: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade nor dist-upgrade show any kde packages; none after i just installed the security patches just released
[20:02] <genii> SebNaitsabes: Basically chainloading is just to point the loader at the start of some other partition or place then it loads whatever it finds there (another boot loader or whatever)
[20:03] <SebNaitsabes> genii: ok well it's in /media/sda1
[20:03] <reisi> wesley_kde4: doesn't that line i copypasted above do jsut that?
[20:04] <genii> SebNaitsabes: So the menu.lst it is supposed to use is in (currently) /media/sda1/boot/grub/menu.lst       ?
[20:04] <genii> Or the one it's using?
[20:04] <SebNaitsabes> according to the file manager yeah
[20:04] <SebNaitsabes> the one it is meant to use
[20:04] <wirechief> SebNaitsabes: this discribes chainloading when you want to know more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_loading
[20:05] <SebNaitsabes> genii:  is it worth upgrading to GRub 1.0 or wahtever it is
[20:06] <reisi> aah :) wesley_kde4, yuriy: the reason is that i already installed those :) just that Help->About KDE tells me that i'd have 4.0.3
[20:06] <SebNaitsabes> genii: since I am using what is now legacy
[20:06] <reisi> perhaps i still haven't upgraded... shit..
[20:06] <yuriy> reisi: ah yeah, known bug
[20:06] <reisi> it's a bug?
[20:06] <reisi> upgraded/restarted
[20:06] <JoshOvki> reisi: you have to do something special other than apt-get upgrade to move to kde4.0.4
[20:06] <yuriy> reisi: yeah, the version number wasn't updated by KDE
[20:07] <JoshOvki> reisi: you followed these inustrctions?    http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.4.php
[20:07] <reisi> JoshOvki: yeah i actually have already done that.. just didin't look after my logs; just thought that Help->About KDE would be right
[20:07] <JoshOvki> reisi: ok :)
[20:07] <reisi> JoshOvki: so right now i really ahve 4.0.4 installed though it's reported as 4.0.3
[20:08] <SebNaitsabes> genii:  got a feeling the chainloading idea won't work
[20:08] <SebNaitsabes> genii: well a new kernel is every now and again and it's not really that big a deal to manually edit menu.lst
[20:08] <yuriy> reisi: although, seems to be working fine here now (the about dialog) but it wasn't at first
[20:10] <wesley_kde4> reisi that normal
[20:14] <ubuntu__> can i sue nettiquette because of the freedom of speech amendment in the usa?
[20:16] <uga> ubuntu__: can you sue TV shows that can't be shown during daylight, because of the freedom of speech admendment?
[20:16] <shaffy> can anyone tell me the command for doing a filesystem check for an external usb HD?  it is just e.g. "fsck /dev/sdb1"?
[20:17] <Bert_2> hi, I'm running kopete 0.12.7 with kdelibs 3.5.9 on an ubuntu gnome installation and I can't receive or send webcam, why and is there a fix ?
[20:17] <uga> shaffy: is the usb HD formatted as fat32?
[20:17] <shaffy> uga: ext3
[20:17] <uga> shaffy: then fsck.ext3 /dev/sdb1
[20:18] <uga> there's a different fsck.foo for each foo filesystem format
[20:18] <shaffy> uga:  http://pastebin.com/d12d99ee9
[20:19] <uga> shaffy: that's fine
[20:19] <shaffy> uga:  so it completed?
[20:19] <uga> lol yes
[20:19] <shaffy> it only took a second
[20:19] <shaffy> hmm, b/c i was getting an error on bootup saying i needed to run fsck on the drive
[20:20] <uga> shaffy: it's a journalised filesystem
[20:20] <uga> it's real quick to test =)
[20:20] <shaffy> uga:  hmm, okay.  i will do a boot and see what happens.  thanks.  :)
[20:20] <uga> shaffy: if anything breaks when writing, journalised filesystems leave some mark saying an operation wasn't done
[20:20] <uga> arf, too late
[20:21]  * uga reminds he nees to tell shaffy "-f     Force checking even if the file system seems clean."
[20:24] <shan> i have this problem in my kubuntu OS " bash: /etc/init.d/iptables: No such file or directory "
[20:26] <uga> shan: that service isn't needed. possibly some unclean thing
[20:26] <uga> what's trying to run it?
[20:29] <Adrian_dlcspm> Hello.  I've just installed the radeonhd driver, and changed xorg.conf to use it (and restarted X).  I've done to System Settings->Display, and the apply button is greyed out even after I make changes (the default is well below my native resolution).  Is there a fix for that?
[20:29] <bfrog> is there anything I can use to print on to a cd using my printer. it has the cdr direct printing feature
[20:30] <bfrog> does gimp have a plugin maybe?
[20:30] <uga> bfrog: I've done that always through the printer's interface
[20:31] <uga> is it an epson R340 or similar?
[20:31] <bfrog> hp
[20:31] <uga> uhm
[20:31] <uga> doesn't it allow to print directly from a CF card?
[20:31] <uga> I'd suggest designing the CD, then copy it to a CF card, and print directly from it
[20:31] <uga> it always worked for me
[20:31] <uga> epson allows doing that at least
[20:31] <bfrog> :-(
[20:31] <bfrog> I guess I'll try that
[20:32] <ubuntu__> ilpamla
[20:32] <uga> bfrog: aligning pictures never worked fine for me
[20:32] <uga> so if I can't do right in an A4, I'd not dare on a CD myself
[20:32] <nohelphere> is there a guide to setting up a network bridge?
[20:32] <nohelphere> !bridge
[20:33] <uga> nohelphere: a bridge? not even routing?
[20:33] <bfrog> well it uses the a4 thing, its just the cd is at a certain spot
[20:33] <nohelphere> im using virtualbox with ubuntu serve rwithin that
[20:34] <uga> yes, but I thought you'd want implementing a routing (IP routing)
[20:34] <nohelphere> i want the guest to have a different IP than the host
[20:34] <uga> bridging works at mac level...
[20:34] <uga> nohelphere: that's a NAT
[20:35] <uga> you need to setup the NAT configuration in virtualbox
[20:35] <nohelphere> i turne dNAT on
[20:35] <uga> (NAT=network address translation)
[20:35] <uga> and you don't get a different IP address in the virtual machine?
[20:35] <uga> you should get an IP in the range you have defined for the virtual machine
[20:36] <nohelphere> i neve rconfigured nat
[20:37] <nohelphere> now it snot even connected
[20:37] <uga> nohelphere: if you have activated nat, it should at least do that
[20:38] <uga> did you configure the virtual machine to do dhcp or what?
[20:38] <nohelphere> idk
[20:38] <uga> that's the first thing you should check
[20:38] <uga> check what the virtual machine is doing: fixed IP, dhcp...
[20:38] <eagles0513875> nohelphere: set the virtual machine to use nat
[20:39] <uga> I'm not too sure, but possibly VirtualBox does dhcp and gives you an IP address
[20:39] <nohelphere> probably
[20:39] <uga> eagles0513875: read the backlog, he has already ;)
[20:39] <eagles0513875> just set virtual box and the vm to use nat
[20:39] <eagles0513875> then u dont need to mess with dhcp or anything
[20:39] <uga> eagles0513875: if the VM is set to use a fixed IP address NAT won't work
[20:39] <uga> obviously
[20:40] <eagles0513875> im checking something out here really fast
[20:40] <uga> the NAT expects the network to be in a certain range
[20:40] <uga> or at least a normal NAT does, and VMWare does too
[20:40] <eagles0513875> have u guys tried one of the other two options
[20:40] <nohelphere> it isn't even connected
[20:41] <eagles0513875> either host interface or internal network option
[20:41] <uga> eagles0513875: NAT is what he needs, I don't like trying stuff just for trying ;)
[20:41] <uga> host interface allows him to connect to the hosting machine only
[20:41] <nohelphere> forgot port forwarding
[20:42] <uga> and internal network iirc does only allowing him to communicate virtual machines alone
[20:42] <eagles0513875> he needt to get it back to the way it originally as
[20:42] <uga> nohelphere: make sure you use dhcp in the VM client
[20:42] <uga> nohelphere: in a konsole, run "dh
[20:42] <nohelphere> it uses dhcp by default
[20:42] <uga> nohelphere: in a konsole, run "dhclient eth0"
[20:42] <uga> just to test =)
[20:42] <uga> you should get an IP address
[20:43] <nohelphere> i get ym mown IP
[20:43] <nohelphere> oh in the vm
[20:43] <uga> myou mfget mwahf?
[20:43] <uga> stop chewing gum =)
[20:44] <nohelphere> eth0 no such device
[20:44] <uga> okay, that's the first thing =)
[20:44] <nohelphere> it exists though
[20:45] <uga> nohelphere: is the networking enabled in the VM?
[20:45] <uga> from VirtualBox settings
[20:45] <nohelphere> no
[20:45] <uga> lol
[20:46] <uga> you need to enable it. else there's no point ;)
[20:46] <uga> Enable Network Adapter, checked
[20:46] <uga> Attached to NAT
[20:46] <uga> Cable connected, checked
[20:46] <nohelphere> oh wai tit is enabled
[20:46] <ubunturos> anyone who has use Kubuntu on SiS M672 based chipset board?
[20:46] <ubunturos> used*
[20:47] <nohelphere> eth0 doesn't exist
[20:47] <uga> lets see if it's a networkmanager issue
[20:47] <uga> nohelphere: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[20:47] <uga> and write
[20:48] <uga> auto eth0
[20:48] <wyrmul> I am currently using notepad+ and WinSCP on a windows machine to do php and web development.   I am looking for a good KDE alternative that is comperable.  Thanks!
[20:48] <uga> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[20:48] <uga> ignore wyrmul's =)
[20:48] <uga> nohelphere: then try ifup eth0
[20:48] <wyrmul> awwww?
[20:48] <uga> and see what ifconfig says
[20:48] <nohelphere> i messed with permissions though
[20:48] <uga> nohelphere: arf
[20:48] <eagles0513875> nohelphere: u part of the vbox group
[20:48] <uga> nohelphere: sorry, I don't know how to fix rm -rf / systems ;)
[20:48] <wyrmul> sorry for interrupting uga
[20:48] <uga> wyrmul: =)
[20:48] <Pennycook> wyrmul: Kate is as good as Notepad+ (if not better), and you can use konqueror for sftp and ftp access (or the terminal)
[20:49] <wyrmul> thanks
[20:49] <stdin> wyrmul: kate if you want something simple with syntax highlighting et all
[20:49] <nohelphere> error getting device flags no such device
[20:49] <K`zan> Can someone please tell me the equivalent of the following for ubuntu: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/
[20:50] <ubuntu_> no se nada de kubuntu
[20:50] <ubuntu_> please help me
[20:50] <emilsedgh> !es | ubuntu_
[20:51] <ubuntu_> ehat is this?
[20:51] <stdin> K`zan: /etc/network/if-{pre,post}-{up,down}.d/
[20:52] <nohelphere> i might just logout
[20:52] <K`zan> stdin: Thank you Sir!
[20:52] <eagles0513875> no
[20:52] <eagles0513875> nohelphere: try reboot
[20:52] <eagles0513875> nohelphere: ull besuprised what that can fix
[20:52] <eagles0513875> *you'll
[20:53] <uga> eagles0513875: if each time somebody told me "reboot" my machine I had obeyed...
[20:53] <uga> linux aint' about rebootin'! =)
[20:53] <eagles0513875> uga: sometimes it is
[20:53] <uga> eagles0513875: sure, if I upgrade a kernel that I desperately need
[20:53] <eagles0513875> i was having issues getting jackd to start and after a reboot it started without having to kill arts
[20:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[20:54] <uga> "without having to kill arts"
[20:54] <uga> sorry, but I prefer killing arts than rebooting
[20:54] <uga> takes less time
[20:55] <nohelphere> i don't want to reboot
[20:55] <uga> nohelphere: at this point I can only suggest you lspci, check if a network card is detected
[20:56] <uga> if so, then you need the corresponding network modules loaded
[20:56] <uga> ie, the drivers
[20:56] <nohelphere> everything on the host is fine
[20:56] <nohelphere> its the vm that isn't
[20:56] <aparker> How do I get rid of the Add Widget widget on my desktop?  I have a laptop with a 24" external monitor.  The laptop is fine, but the Add Widget thing appears twice on my 24" monitor (once in the upper right corner, and then again in the same absolute position as on the laptop screen.
[20:56] <uga> nohelphere: it's in the vm that I'm asking
[20:56] <uga> lspci in the VM
[20:56] <nohelphere> ok
[20:56] <uga> the VM needs to detect the emulated network card
[20:57] <uga> nohelphere: if the network card type doesn't work, VIrtualBox allows you to select a different network card emulated
[20:57] <uga> but it won't let you change the hardware without first stopping the virtual machine
[20:58] <nohelphere> the card is listed
[20:58] <uga> pcnet-fast III (am79c973)?
[20:58] <uga> that's the card VirtualBox creates by default
[20:59] <uga> nohelphere: if that's the card, you need modprobe pcnet32
[20:59] <uga> and the card should be detected
[20:59] <uga> you can check it in dmesg
[20:59] <_sourcemaker> I have the problem... that the wlan card (Realtek) is not detected with the current installation of hardy (without the last updates installed)...  are this problem solved after I have installed all the lastest available updates?
[21:00] <K`zan> anyone using the rt73 module to replace the rt73usb one here?
[21:01] <ScorpKing> hiya uga
[21:01] <yojhandry> saludos alguien me puede ayudar
[21:01] <yojhandry> en kubuntu
[21:01] <nohelphere> iys detecting a pcnet32 ethernet controller no card
[21:01] <nohelphere> its*
[21:01] <yojhandry> aayuda
[21:01] <yojhandry> por favor
[21:02] <ScorpKing> !fr | yojhandry
[21:02] <nohelphere> !virtualbox
[21:02] <yojhandry> alguien me ayude
[21:02] <ScorpKing> nohelphere: vmware server works better but i don't think it's available for 8.04 yet
[21:03] <nohelphere> idk either
[21:03] <uga> ScorpKing: lol, that's spanish!
[21:03] <nohelphere> and I think u need a free license for it
[21:03] <ScorpKing> !es | yojhandry
[21:03] <uga> yojhandry: este canal es en inglés. Escribe /join #kubuntu-es para que te den soporte en castellano
[21:03] <uga> ScorpKing: no need for the bot ;)
[21:03] <ScorpKing> uga: hehe. i'm afrikaans so i won't know. jut took a guess ;)
[21:04] <uga> lol
[21:04] <ScorpKing> just even
[21:04] <uga> ScorpKing: somebody should change the messages
[21:04] <uga> some people don't know how to join other channels
[21:04] <ScorpKing> yep
[21:04] <uga> I always explain /join foo...
[21:05] <nohelphere> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:05] <nohelphere> mous edied or something
[21:05] <uga> or being konversation, say click here: ----> #kubuntu-es <----
[21:05] <ScorpKing> uga: i'm know sure where to ask but maybe you know. will kde 3.5.x get left behind in 18 months?
[21:06] <uga> ScorpKing: left behind? uhm... I don't think so, you could ask at kde-core-devel list
[21:06] <ScorpKing> uga: agreed. most people don't know where to even type /join
[21:06] <uga> it'll still be supported for a while. I just don't know how long
[21:06] <ScorpKing> uga: ok thanks. will do
[21:06] <uga> and distros may support it even longer
[21:06] <uga> check what version Debian features
[21:06] <uga> did they reach 2.1 yet? =)
[21:07] <ScorpKing> no idea
[21:08] <nohelphere> i think the other net adapters are uinvalid
[21:09] <nohelphere> is the closed source edition any better?
[21:11] <nohelphere> im kind of giving up with vbox
[21:12] <ScorpKing> nohelphere: so did i
[21:12] <uga> nohelphere: you'll get the same with other virtual machines if you don't examine what's going up and you fiddle with permissions as you say ;)
[21:12] <ScorpKing> nohelphere: btw, there is #vbox
[21:12] <uga> ScorpKing: works fine here, although the VM is for emergency winders box
[21:13] <nohelphere> i need a simple vm tp run a simple ubuntu lamp server in a simpole vm
[21:13] <clau30> !kde4
[21:13] <nohelphere> im in there
[21:13] <uga> nohelphere: and you need to do a simple network configuration ;))
[21:13] <ScorpKing> nohelphere: use qemu
[21:13] <uga> which includes drivers loading
[21:13] <uga> ScorpKing: rofl
[21:13] <nohelphere> ok
[21:13] <ScorpKing> !vm
[21:14] <uga> ScorpKing: that's suicide ;)
[21:14] <ScorpKing> uga: hehe. it works for small stuff ;)
[21:14] <uga> how about Xen? :P
[21:15] <nohelphere> qemu and qemulauncher
[21:15] <ScorpKing> uga: could work but never used it
[21:15] <nohelphere> the more GUI the bette rfor virtualization
[21:15]  * uga doesn't want to look. He never liked blood-style films
[21:19] <_sourcemaker> how can I use apt for offline installation... like a snapshot of the current system...
[21:20] <nohelphere> useless qemu launcher
[21:20] <nohelphere> i hit launch and... NOTHING NOTHING NOTHINGG USELESS USELESS USELESS
[21:20] <uga> !google | _sourcemaker
[21:21] <uga> =)
[21:21] <nohelphere> UUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEELEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[21:21] <_sourcemaker> ok :-)
[21:21] <nohelphere> I WISH TI WORKED
[21:21] <uga> _sourcemaker: a simple google search would have led you to tons of pages, like http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-dpkg-scanpackages
[21:21] <nohelphere> I LIKE GRAPHICAL VM MANAGEMENT
[21:21] <ScorpKing> nohelphere: use it from konsole. qemu -m 365 -hda harddisk.img -cdrom crdom.iso
[21:21] <STSX> When I hover over items in my taskbar, it displays a dialog with info about them. How can disable that?
[21:21] <uga> nohelphere: please use lowercase
[21:21] <ScorpKing> nohelphere: please behave
[21:23] <kaij> hello
[21:23] <uga> STSX: what version of kde?
[21:23] <STSX> uga: 3.5
[21:24] <uga> a sec... that ought to be easy
[21:24] <uga> STSX: I got an answer for a new 8-core cpu ;)
[21:25] <nohelphere> i don't have a disk image
[21:25] <uga> okay, just 8Gig ram will do ;)
[21:25] <uga> STSX: right click in kicker, configure panel...
[21:25] <uga> wtf
[21:25] <uga> arghl
[21:25] <uga> I lost my 8 gig ram hopes ;)
[21:25] <uga> oh! back ;)
[21:26] <uga> STSX: right click in kicker, configure panel...
[21:26] <uga> appearance...
[21:26] <uga> STSX: and disable "Enable icon mouseover effects" and "show tooltips"
[21:26] <STSX> uga: I'm new to KDE (been using Gnome)--what's kicker?
[21:27] <uga> STSX: the panel
[21:27] <uga> where the taskbar is located
[21:28] <STSX> uga: OK, got it! Is there any way I can just disable the "mouse over effects" for the taskbar, and not for the program icon shortcuts I have on the panel?
[21:28] <nohelphere> should I create a disk image?
[21:29] <uga> STSX: you'll get smaller text boxes if you do
[21:29] <uga> yes
[21:29] <uga> ah, you mean only for the taskbar... uhm...
[21:30] <uga> STSX: not that I can see, in the taskbar options
[21:30] <coder2> Hi there
[21:30] <uga> unless you are happy to patch code ;)
[21:31] <coder2> Could anyone help with my TV-tuner?
[21:32] <STSX> uga: OK, that's what I figured. Thanks for the help with that. BTW, I'm also trying to get my "suspend" key to work on my keyboard--it works fine under Gnome (ubuntu), but KDE ignores it. I can run /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and prove that suspend works, but it's not mapped to my "suspend" key. Any ideas?
[21:32] <uga> STSX: it might be related to kmilo configuration
[21:32] <uga> (kmilo == kde multimedia keys handling)
[21:32] <Simonft> when i do sudo ./bcm43xx-fwcutter-006/bcm43xx-fwcutter -w "$FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR" wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o, i get this messege: sudo: ./bcm43xx-fwcutter-006/bcm43xx-fwcutter: command not found. does anybody know why? i am tying to do this: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-bcm43xx
[21:33] <uga> STSX: but no idea about that really. It's long time since last I bothered tuning keyboards. They change too often ...
[21:33] <STSX> uga: OK, so how do I learn about kmilo? Is it a program/config file?
[21:34] <PhilRod> STSX: does 'xev' show the key?
[21:34] <STSX> Simonft: make sure you have the correct path to the command--you are giving it a relative path when you use ./bcm43...
[21:34] <PhilRod> (run 'xev' in a konsole, hit the suspend key, and see if anything appears on the konsole)
[21:34] <Simonft> STSX: what do you mean?
[21:34] <benuntux> alguien habla español???
[21:35] <benuntux> alguien habla español???
[21:35] <Simonft> !sp
[21:35] <PhilRod> !es
[21:35] <Simonft> !es
[21:35] <Simonft> darn
[21:35] <benuntux> tnx
[21:35] <uga> STSX: xev is a program that shows what keys Xorg captures. About kmilo: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/KMilo
[21:35] <Zefir> !pl
[21:35] <uga> if xev doesn't capture it correctly though, there's no much to do
[21:35] <Zefir> The Polish help is poorer...
[21:35] <yo_> yo ha blo español
[21:35] <Zefir> Doesn't even have Polish letters damnit.
[21:36] <uga> yo_: clicka aquí -----------> #kubuntu-es <----------
[21:36] <uga> y te ayudarán
[21:36] <STSX> uga: Well, xev did show a key pushing event! :)
[21:36] <bascule> Zefir: suggest a change say !pl is <reply>and put words here
[21:36] <bascule> ops will get it
[21:36] <PhilRod> uga: well, you mihgt be able to use the keys via a kernel driver for the laptop (which must exist if gnome can use the key)
[21:36] <uga> STSX: the events have names in a mulimedia keyboard... like volume, or suspend or...
[21:37] <uga> PhilRod: that too
[21:38] <Zefir> !pl is <reply> Well, the Polish version of help is pretty poor. It doesn't have Polish letters and redirects only to the ubuntu-pl channel, even on the kubuntu channel. I can help change it, just say what it needs to say and I'll try to translate, I'm good at it.
[21:38] <Zefir> Forsooth, it worked.
[21:38] <bascule> Zefir: I meant write a polish ne :)
[21:38] <bascule> one*
[21:38] <_Coggz_> major problem guys
[21:38] <uga> STSX: for example, xev, when I press the mail button, shows: "keysym 0x1008ff19, XF86Mail"
[21:38] <Zefir> Oh, a Polish one?
[21:38] <Zefir> No problemo.
[21:38] <_Coggz_> need to update bios, on a laptop with no floppy or cd
[21:38] <_Coggz_> from linux
[21:38] <deadsoul> hi
[21:39] <stdin> Zefir: there isn't a #kubuntu-pl for one, and why don't you just suggest a change rather than suggesting a change that just says "it sux"?
[21:40] <deadsoul> i have ubuntu and installed the kde kubuntu desktop... but it causes many things wrong.. can anyone give me any help with my problem? my ubuntu is 8.4
[21:40] <uga> deadsoul: if you don't list the problems we won't be able to help ;)
[21:40] <Zefir> I'm just about to suggest a change, so what's the deal, stdin?
[21:40] <uga> so go on
[21:40] <stdin> Zefir: hmm? what do you mean?
[21:41] <Zefir> Well, I'm writing to the ops using that command bascule gave me, saying what's wrong and what to change.
[21:41] <deadsoul> some times it fails to logout out.. and sometimes i can't switch the user, besides i can't create more than one desktop well,  i can create more than one desktop but it doesn
[21:41] <bascule> just write one ..
[21:41] <STSX> Simonft: when you start the command with ./ it means start looking in the current directory for "bcm43xx-fwcutter-006"--is that where the directory is? In the current directory you are in?
[21:42] <deadsoul> doesn't change, and it still just one desktop,,,. stuff like that
[21:42] <stdin> Zefir: just join #ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss it with someone
[21:42] <uga> deadsoul: uhm... are you using kdm as login manager?
[21:42] <Zefir> Although it is worth noting that there really isn't any kubuntu-pl channel... I shall investigate.
[21:42] <uga> or still gdm
[21:42] <STSX> PhilRod: I've got a really flaky connection today--anyway, the xev did show pushing down the suspend key. Any ideas where to go from here?
[21:45] <ubuntu_> I'm from Argentina. Tomorrow I have a test of kubuntu so I 'm training
[21:46] <uga> a test?
[21:46] <uga> you get examined?
[21:46] <ubuntu_> no. a QUiz?
[21:46] <ubuntu_> es un examen
[21:46] <uga> heh, ubuntu certified =)
[21:46] <uga> ubuntu_: exam, examined== examen, examinado
[21:47] <uga> quiz == questionario, preguntas, ...
[21:47] <uga> ubuntu_: perdón, es específico de programas, osea que quiz==concurso de televisión ;)
[21:48] <uga> ah, no, estaba bien desde el principio, es genérico
[21:48]  * uga kicks silly dictionaries
[21:48] <ubuntu_> quiz
[21:48] <ubuntu_> eso mismo
[21:49] <ubuntu_> gracias muchachos solo queria saber si me leian
[21:49] <ubuntu_> adios
[21:50] <uga> he's lost
[21:50] <uga> he said he had an exam in spanish
[21:50] <uga> yet he insists it's a quiz in english
[21:50] <uga> =)
[21:53] <deadsoul> back, sorry.. the system hangged
[21:53] <deadsoul> i'm useing kdm for login manager
[21:54] <Zefir> Wait, Kubuntu hanged? Thought that was a myth.
[21:55] <deadsoul> that's what happened.. i'm using ubuntu with kubuntu desktop
[21:55] <deadsoul> could it be because i'm using the kdm login manager??
[21:56] <Zefir> I dunno...
[21:56] <Simonft> I need hlep. i am told to do sudo ./bcm43xx-fwcutter-006/bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o, and the files are in /home/simon/bcm43xx-fwcutter-006, and i am in simon@simon-laptop:~$  and it gives me sudo: ./bcm43xx-fwcutter-006/bcm43xx-fwcutter: command not found
[21:58] <deadsoul> ok, can anyone tell me how can i get back the gnome login manager instead of the kdm logon manager?
[21:58] <stdin> Simonft: there is a guide here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[21:59] <bascule> deadsoul: dpkg --reconfigure gdm
[21:59] <Simonft> stdin: that is how i got to that page
[22:00] <deadsoul> thank you
[22:00] <stdin> Simonft: where on there?
[22:01] <Simonft> under hardy
[22:01] <dunamis> Hey guys
[22:01] <dunamis> Just installed ubuntu
[22:01] <Zefir> Yay for you.
[22:01] <dunamis> what do u suggest i do first
[22:01] <dunamis> ?
[22:01] <Zefir> Well, go to the #ubuntu channel if you're not using Kubuntu.
[22:02] <dunamis> sorry, i'm in kubuntu cus i installed kubunt
[22:02] <Zefir> Ok.
[22:02] <stdin> Simonft: it's not on there, it says the firmware is included in the kernel
[22:03] <Zefir> Well, first thing... Umm... Try running Amarok for example.
[22:03] <dunamis> is it a website?
[22:03] <dunamis> sorry abt that
[22:03] <Simonft> stdin: look at further notes
[22:03] <Zefir> No, it's a program for playing music.
[22:03] <dunamis> run it in terminal?
[22:03] <Zefir> Click K->Multimedia->Amarok
[22:03] <navetz> do you guys know if its possible to dualscreen (extended) and use compiz at the same time?
[22:03] <dunamis> kool
[22:03] <Zefir> Or type in amarok in terminal if you want to do it the hax way. :P
[22:04] <deadsoul> dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure
[22:04] <deadsoul> how can i install that package ?
[22:04] <bascule> my fault
[22:04] <bascule> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:05] <deadsoul> thanks bro
[22:05] <bascule> with an sudo
[22:05] <bascule> welcome
[22:05] <stdin> Simonft: follow the instructions for the linux-2.6.24 kernel
[22:06] <deadsoul> it said action "reload" failed
[22:06] <deadsoul> is that normal?
[22:06] <bascule> I don't think so
[22:07] <deadsoul>  * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration...                              * Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.
[22:07] <deadsoul> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[22:07] <bascule> did you sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:07] <deadsoul> yes sudo -i then i've choosed the gnome
[22:07] <bascule> you set it as the default though?
[22:08] <bascule> it asks in a dialog, and you picked gdm ..
[22:08] <deadsoul> yes i did
[22:09] <bascule> hmmm
[22:09] <bascule> probably just needs x restarted
[22:09] <deadsoul> know what,.. i'm gonna give it a try and restart my pc and see what will happen
[22:10] <deadsoul> brb
[22:10] <bascule> ok
[22:10] <bascule> Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended. <-- from the cli
[22:14] <Zefir> Attention, noob question: Where can I get some widgets? KDE3.
[22:14] <stdin> !superkaramba
[22:14] <stdin> Zefir: ^
[22:15] <Zefir> Checking out now.
[22:15] <matt___> what is a kde app that will allow to to "record" things, such as typing into a terminal, and then allow me to reply it, thus each "play" it types into the terminal
[22:16] <Zefir> I always see Linux desktops with those fancy clocks on the desktop and CPU temp and usage, wondered how did they do all that.
[22:16] <deadsoul> back,.. it did work.. :) thanks bro
[22:16] <bascule> np
[22:17] <bascule> matt___: 'script' may do it
[22:17] <somePriest> When I drop to console, the fonts look terrible (they're massive), is there a simple fix to change them?  Also, does KUbuntu support TTF fonts out of the box?  I read a post saying you can just put TTF fonts in ~/.fonts ?
[22:17] <matt___> bascule: umm..not talking about scripting or anything. What I want is a way to record clicking and stuff. Then be able to change stuff. sorta like a macro.
[22:18] <bascule> oh I see, I thought you meant terminal
[22:18] <bascule> in a ^
[22:18] <matt___> bascule: no problem, it's just i'm going to be using it for a terminal process. A program that doesn't really support bash...that I know of.
[22:18] <frank23> running firefox 3 b4 from gutsy-backports. how do I install flash? the integrated install in firefox doesn't work.
[22:20] <bascule> matt___: what is it? dcop can do a lot of cool things ?
[22:20] <matt___> bascule: what is dcop?
[22:20] <bascule> well it is a command line way of calling functions in an app
[22:20] <bascule> amarok has lots for exapmle
[22:21] <bascule> run amarok and then in a terminal say dcop amarok
[22:21] <matt___> bascule: would it support pidgin? I'm trying to get it to sms me some reminders.
[22:21] <bascule> pidgin is gnome :)
[22:21] <bascule> dcop is KDE thing
[22:21] <matt___> bascule: well..i've got it installed in kde...and it works fine...never really liked Konversation
[22:21] <matt___> bascule: BUT OH, GOTCHA.
[22:22] <deadsoul> i have another problem.. i've installed the ZDE (Zend Studio) its software for developing the php language.. anyway.. it runs but the software doesn't show the boxs and menus it doesn show anything.. i beleive its because the java(tm) does anyone familiar with zend and java and how it works?
[22:22] <bascule> matt___: I dunno if pidgin is scriptable, but ask #pidgin
[22:24] <matt___> bascule: well...i remember seeing a linux package in the repos, one that'd let you "click and move your mouse around and click keys" and such. Then you could replay that how ever many times you wanted...
[22:25] <bascule> ok
[22:25] <bascule> not one I know of, I shall investigate
[22:26] <bascule> !info xmacro
[22:26] <bascule> that the one?
[22:26] <matt___> bascule: i believe so
[22:27] <matt___> bascule: you suppose i'd have to be logged into my box (instead of locked) for it to work?///
[22:28] <bascule> well I dunno how it works,if it dumps to  file, and the file is 'playable' then you could set a scheduler on it, cron
[22:28] <bascule> !cron
[22:28] <loading> salut
[22:28] <bascule> hi
[22:28] <loading> j'ai un probleme lol
[22:29] <matt___> bascule: i'll take a look..
[22:31] <bascule> ok
[22:31] <Ryu010> hello
[22:32] <Ryu010> hello?
[22:32] <frank23> !fr
[22:33] <bascule> hi Ryu010
[22:33] <Ryu010> can you help me with something?
[22:34] <Ryu010> i want to install kubuntu over a network
[22:36] <frank23> Ryu010: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation?highlight=(installation)#head-b751f1c9b3b4e0c27d6bc8828a831de92eb57a70
[22:36] <Zefir> Hah, first widget installed.
[22:37] <Ryu010> does kunbuntu work with scsi controllers?
[22:37] <hector> yyyyyyyyyyyyy
[22:37] <kreib> how can I open a file thats on a computer I can ssh into?
[22:38] <bascule> you can say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and go from there
[22:38] <kreib> fish? really?
[22:38] <bascule> in konqueror
[22:39] <kreib> thx
[22:39] <bascule> kdenetwork I would guess, I use it
[22:39] <venik> anyone knows anything about KDE4?
[22:39] <Timtally> So when I do "apt-get install build-essential" i am prompted to insert the OS Install CD. Is there a way to get build-essential without that CD?
[22:39] <venik> How do I drag and drop in it?
[22:40] <bascule> venik: #kubuntu-kde4
[22:40] <Simonft> im running http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-bcm43xx and get a ton of errors with make
[22:40] <bascule> should 'just work'
[22:40] <frank23> Timtally: remove the cd from your repositories. in adept-> manage repositories
[22:40] <Timtally> frank23: Ok, thanks.
[22:40] <bascule> Ryu010: scsi, yes should do
[22:41] <bascule> depends on the driver avalability of course
[22:54] <ScorpKing> bascule: thanks for that fish:// tip. didn't know it was there. is there a place i can see what other protocals konq can take?
[22:54] <bascule> yeah, in kcontrol
[22:54] <bascule> hang on
[22:54] <ScorpKing> ok i'll have a look
[22:55] <bascule> you can audiocdrom:/ and others, I forget where the list is,kio_parts IIRC
[22:56] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[22:57] <uga> ScorpKing: iirc there was a kilst in khelpcenter
[22:57] <uga> if you search for kioslave
[22:57] <ScorpKing> righto
[22:57] <bascule> kioslave that is the one :)
[22:58] <ScorpKing> yep got it :D
[22:58] <uga> wow, I wrote kilst instead of list?
[22:58] <ScorpKing> thanks
[22:58] <ScorpKing> hehe
[22:59]  * uga hates setting up G2
[23:00] <ScorpKing> uga: what's that?
[23:00] <uga> gallery2
[23:01] <ScorpKing> ah
[23:01] <erich> I am trying the configure my wlan card... but it does not work... the interface is not detected
[23:02] <erich> lspci shows the device right
[23:02] <uga> then it's detected byt not identified and supported
[23:02] <ubuntu_> how do i join another room?
[23:02] <frank23> ubuntu_    /join #room
[23:02] <erich> it's a realtek semiconstructor RTL-8185
[23:02] <uga> erich: there's ways to wrap around windows drivers so that they work on linux mostly
[23:03] <erich> uga: how can I do that?
[23:04] <ScorpKing> !ndiswraper
[23:04] <ScorpKing> bleh
[23:04]  * ScorpKing keeps quiet..
[23:04] <uga> !google ndiswrapper
[23:04] <uga> =)
[23:04] <awen_> !ndiswrapper
[23:04] <uga> oh, he had missed a p
[23:04] <awen_> ScorpKing: just a typo :)
[23:04] <erich> uga: thanks
[23:05] <uga> awen++
[23:05] <ScorpKing> hehe
[23:05]  * ScorpKing agrees..
[23:06] <frank23> erich: are you running 8.04?
[23:08] <frank23> erich: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/196285
[23:09] <harley> hi
[23:09] <harley> can we get help here
[23:10] <TimS> How can I list all the kernels installed?
[23:10] <SlimeyPete> harley: yes. Just ask your question and if anyone here can help, they will.
[23:10] <TimS> !ask | harley
[23:10] <harley> i c thanks
[23:11] <harley> just add kde to 7.10 ubuntu desktop changed back to the brown
[23:12] <bascule> TimS: dpk -l *kernel* | grep ii
[23:12] <bascule> dpkg*
[23:13] <TimS> ii  nvidia-kernel-common                                                   20051028+1ubuntu8                                  NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[23:13] <bascule> actually, yeah
[23:13] <bascule> hmm
[23:15] <harley> is it better to install kde up front?
[23:16] <ScorpKing> TimS: dpkg -l *headers* | grep ii
[23:16] <uga> arf... stupid package...
[23:16] <uga> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 109 bytes) in /usr/share/gallery2/modules/core/classes/GalleryUtilities.class on line 1234
[23:17] <TimS> Thanks ScorpKing
[23:17] <TimS> I have three installed eh?
[23:17] <ScorpKing> bascule: the kernel package name is linux-image-generic i think
[23:17] <bascule> odd that dpkg -l *linux* throws an error
[23:18] <ScorpKing> TimS: yw. three here as well
[23:18] <wesley__> !adeptfix
[23:18] <ScorpKing> uga: sounds like fun ;)
[23:18] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to install VMware from source and while I have installed it the program won't start.  It keeps saying something about "version `GCC_3.4' not found" in "/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1".  It also says "/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)".  Any ideas?
[23:19] <uga> ScorpKing: silly php limits
[23:19] <uga> it's always annoying to configure them
[23:19] <uga> limits for scripts, upload files, for... argh
[23:19] <ScorpKing> yep
[23:20] <TimS> I haven't touched PHP in ages.
[23:20] <TimS> Good thing for thoes in ##php ;)
[23:20] <ScorpKing> Ertain: i don't think vmware supports the 8.04 kernel
[23:20] <Klivingdaylight> Kreetings
[23:20] <ScorpKing> power failure. nite guys
[23:20] <Ertain> Figures.
[23:20] <TimS> Kreetings :P
[23:20] <lonran> how can i change the look of kopete contact lists?
[23:21] <STSX> Newbie question: In Konqueror, how do I set it so it takes a double-click instead of a single click to open files/folders?
[23:21] <TimS> lonran: I dont think you can, you can change the system colour scheme to change its colours, but apart from that, I dont think you can
[23:21] <Klivingdaylight> is it not compulsory to have a K in front of your name here?
[23:21] <TimS> STSX: I think thats only configurable for the entire system under mouse controls
[23:23] <STSX> TimS: Interesting--OK thanks, I found it. :) Not intuitive to me tho; I would have figured I could configure Konqueror independent of the entire desktop environment.
[23:24] <uga> arf, why can't G2 just ask for the silly root password and create the damn database on his own
[23:24] <TimS> Hmm, I am not sure, its one of those things KDE controls, which Is a bit odd, but saves you having to configure in all programs and "open" dialogue boxes for programs and such
[23:35] <wirechief> konqueror does not work with google docs ;(
[23:51] <tyler> hi
[23:51] <tyler> can anybody read this?
[23:52] <robeph> no what's it say
[23:52] <robeph> boyo debian sure stuck their foot in my arse with their lovely openssl buggery...
[23:52] <robeph> now,  60 some odd boxes to update keys *yawn*
[23:53] <tyler> i just got kubuntu
[23:53] <robeph> k
[23:53] <tyler> i like it
[23:53] <robeph> update it before you dick about with ssh keys mind you.
[23:54] <robeph> even though that patch looks sort of suspicious
[23:54] <tyler> ...me?
[23:54] <robeph> indeed
[23:54] <robeph> anyone?
[23:54] <tyler> i updated everything
[23:55] <tline> did my name change?
[23:55] <robeph> no it's still 'merrymounter'
[23:56] <robeph> odd name to choose
[23:56] <tline> ...
[23:56] <robeph> well come now,  it obviously did =\
[23:56] <tline> what is my name?
[23:57] <robeph> tyler
[23:57] <tline> and what did it change to?
[23:57] <robeph> *hint;  you can see what your name is when you talk
[23:58] <tline> alright
[23:58] <tline> so what is this, like kubuntu help?
[23:58] <robeph> usually
[23:58] <tline> are you kubuntu expert?
[23:58] <robeph> actually,  not particularly
[23:58] <astan> ok. i'm a little worried now. on my kubuntu desktop, i did have a bad server key, but my user key was good since it was generated on FreeBSD. should i consider my user key compromized none the less, since it has been stored on a machine with a bad server key?
[23:58] <robeph> now if ya have a problem with gentoo I could rightly help,  but kubuntu,  aside from generic linux standard stuff,  nah
[23:59] <robeph> astan: well... depends
[23:59] <robeph> astan: personally I'd not.   unless you notice oddities about the house
[23:59] <astan> robeph: what does it depend on?
[23:59] <robeph> astan: if someone compromized yer box
[23:59] <robeph> is it a pub key or prv?


[01:46]  * mhall119|work is back from SCaLE
[01:46] <mhall119|work> talked to a lot of people about Edubuntu
[01:49] <stgraber> mhall119|work: did you meet my colleagues ?
[01:49] <stgraber> mhall119|work: at the Try it lab, giving talks or near the Asus guys.
[01:54] <mhall119|work> no, I never made it to the Try it lab
[01:54] <mhall119|work> if I had know they were your colleagues, I'd have stopped by
[01:54] <mhall119|work> as it was, I barely left my booth both days
[01:55] <mhall119|work> got to meet and talk with dinda for a while on Friday though
[01:56] <stgraber> hehe, ok. We had a ltsp-cluster setup there running on touchscreen EEEtop there + educational softwares.
[01:57] <mhall119|work> oh nice
[02:21] <stgraber> oh, qimo-games just got in archive, congrats
[02:25] <mhall119|work> save the congrats, qimo-session and qimo-wallpaer were rejected
[02:26] <mhall119|work> jstrand rejected them, saying the license information wasn't in the original tarballs, but i remove those
[02:26] <mhall119|work> also said they weren't native packages
[04:02] <sbalneav> stgraber: ping
[04:12] <HedgeMage> Hey, all, I finally found an hour to muck about with some work on the edubuntu.org upgrades -- any changes made to the live demo in the next hour or so will be LOST.  I'm chewing on the DB in my dev environment.
[04:19] <Guest25299> HedgeMage, can I go for a coffee in the meanwhile or will my coffee maker be affected as well?  I'll join in on bug day just a bit later :)
[17:51] <highvoltage> sbalneav: most of what needs my attention is feature freeze exceptions though, we need them for the qimo packages and also to get squeeze in multiverse
[17:52] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: I will fix those 2 packages that jstrand rejected and get them back up in revu this evening
[17:53]  * mhall119|work is teaching a classin #ubuntu-classroom in a few minutes, otherwise I would be fixing them now
[17:53] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: no problem, this evening will be good. thanks
[17:54] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: archive admins are strict when it comes to licensing but that's what they're paid for :)
[17:54] <mhall119|work> basically he just seems to want the licenses extracted into their own files
[17:54] <mhall119|work> which is no big deal
[17:54] <mhall119|work> and removing the homepage item in the control file
[18:50] <sbalneav> highvoltage: I've been struggling here at work as well.  I've looked at a few things, but I probably won't be able to give it full attention until I get home.  I wasn't able to take the day off owing to our accounting system go-live.
[19:20] <alkisg> !info pastebinit
[19:38] <stgraber> alkisg: there's 1.0 in lucid
[19:39] <alkisg> stgraber: I was just looking if it's readily available from a live cd... ok, it's an `apt-get install` away ;)
[19:39] <alkisg> That, and x11vnc -connect should really be preinstalled :)
[21:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yeah this bug day seems pretty much a gonner, we should redo, my eyes just want to close now :)
[21:31] <sbalneav> highvoltage: I'll plink away tonight on some stuff, so it won't be a dead loss.
[21:31] <sbalneav> But I think at least one or two more would be called for in any case.


[00:35] <CoolCanuck> I'm having huge struggles with installing xubutu via flash drive. I've tried 4 times - both with ext4 and xfs, resulting in four hours of trying. I've google searched, tried the commands..  - after it asks me to reboot, i say ok, xubuntu shuts down, I unplug my flash drive.. my computer bootsnad grub goes into recovery/rescue because file system isn't known
[00:35] <CoolCanuck> :'(
[00:41] <ax562> do you have anything worth saving on your hdd?
[00:42] <ax562> coolcanuck?
[00:42] <CoolCanuck> I have a windows 10 install and some movies
[00:43] <CoolCanuck> I've also converted MBR to GPT and still no luck
[00:47] <ax562> does your windows partition boot?
[00:47] <CoolCanuck> no
[00:47] <CoolCanuck> I can boot into live cd though
[00:48] <CoolCanuck> (for xubuntu)
[00:48] <ax562> I usually manually setup my partitions when Install xubuntu using gparted in live cd
[00:48] <ax562> also setup or have windows already setup
[00:49] <CoolCanuck> my linux sysadmin friend tried partitioning my system
[00:49] <ax562> you can do it yourself
[00:49] <CoolCanuck> I know
[00:49] <ax562> I believe windows likes being first partition always
[00:50] <CoolCanuck> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WV5omdSf/
[00:50] <CoolCanuck> before xfs formatting and such
[00:51] <ax562> [windows 10 partition partition][xubuntu partition][swap partition]
[00:51] <CoolCanuck> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MRACMt6f/
[00:51] <CoolCanuck> so if I put W10 first, it should work?
[00:51] <CoolCanuck> I dont think it will boot.. now that I'm GPT. (that's fine)
[00:54] <ax562> I would create ntfs partition first then create a partition with all info you don't want to lose, then xubuntu ext4, then swap
[00:55] <ax562> [ntfs][backup ntfs][ext4][swap] using gparted in xubuntu live cd
[00:56] <ax562> then install windows 10 in [ntfs] partition
[00:56] <ax562> then install xubuntu in [ext4] partition
[00:56] <CoolCanuck> ah ok
[00:56] <CoolCanuck> I will try that
[00:57] <CoolCanuck> I dont need windows 10 to boot. Just access to the files.
[00:57] <ax562> well it's up to you
[01:00] <Anonaly_> so I install xubuntu 16.04, no fglrx, I have to manually start xfwm4 every time,
[01:01] <ax562> if you don't want windows 10 partition just create partition for files
[01:02] <Anonaly_> but even after I start xfwm4 I still have no titlebar for firefox and other programs
[01:02] <Anonaly_> I cannot minimize firefox
[01:04] <ax562> but if you ever want windows I believe that it has to be first partition on hdd coolcanuck
[01:05] <Anonaly_> looks like I have to downgrade back to 14.04 :(
[01:05] <ax562> why?
[01:05] <Anonaly_> 16.04 is giving me problems
[01:05] <ax562> I would try fresh install
[01:05] <Anonaly_> I just did
[01:05] <CoolCanuck> havey you tried reconfiguring you packages?
[01:05] <Anonaly_> no titlebar for firefox
[01:05] <CoolCanuck> reinstall or whatever
[01:05] <Anonaly_> xfwm4 --replace does not fix it
[01:06] <ax562> sudo apt-get update
[01:06] <CoolCanuck> screenshot?
[01:06] <ax562> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:06] <CoolCanuck> I know firefox and chrome look different than usual title bars
[01:06] <Anonaly_> yeah I don't have a minimize button or anything
[01:06] <Anonaly_> can't get it out of the way
[01:06] <Anonaly_> other programs have titlebars though
[01:06] <ax562> that's weird
[01:06] <ax562> try
[01:06] <Anonaly_> like this hexchat
[01:06] <ax562> sudo apt-get update
[01:06] <ax562> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:07] <Anonaly_> ok
[01:07] <Anonaly_> doing that
[01:09] <ax562> or sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:10] <CoolCanuck> :P
[01:19] <Anonaly_> alright as long as I get to keep 16.04
[01:19] <Anonaly_> and not ugprade to a non-lts version like 16.10
[01:19] <Anonaly_> thats happened to me before and I had to downgrade afterwards
[01:19] <ax562> lts is 16.04
[01:20] <ax562> oops mis read
[01:25] <Anonaly_> k restarting :)
[01:40] <Anonaly_> yes still no titlebar for firefox,
[01:40] <Anonaly_> 'I have one for other programs
[01:40] <Anonaly_> I wonder if its something to do with QT
[01:41] <Anonaly_> ax562, ^
[01:43] <Anonaly_> wtf
[01:59] <ax562> Ananoly_ have you tried updating your video card driver?
[02:03] <Anonaly_> ax562, there is no way to do that
[02:03] <Anonaly_> xubuntu 16.04. no fglrx
[02:04] <Anonaly_> well I might just give up on Xubuntu,
[02:06] <ax562> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[02:06] <ax562> you try this Anonaly_
[02:07] <Anonaly_> right now my problem is that firefox has no titlebar,
[02:07] <Anonaly_> and some other programs as well
[02:08] <ax562> it might be a problem with video card
[02:08] <Anonaly_> k figured something out
[02:08] <Anonaly_> a new profile for firefox works,
[02:09] <Anonaly_> if I use an existing profile (from Xubuntu 14.04) there is no titlebar
[02:11] <Anonaly_> ax562, xubuntu 16.04 has no support for the fglrx drivers
[02:14] <Anonaly_> ax562, weird huh
[02:45] <CoolCanuck> here is my boot info http://paste2.org/G4JNec5X
[03:04] <CoolCanuck> would installing lilo instead of grub help ?
[03:17] <ax562> not sure CoolCanuck
[03:18] <ax562> when you boot up whats the error you get?
[03:24] <xubuntu34w> hi
[03:25] <xubuntu34w> I have xubuntu latest testing version without sound, only earphone works, I need an url for opening a topic on a forum
[03:26] <xubuntu34w> 4.4.0-27-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 21 17:44:30 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:30] <xubuntu34w> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328888
[03:31] <xubuntu46w> Hi! I need help. I trying to setup xubuntu from .iso file, from grub command shell. but no success. First question : its right file for booting (from .iso) : /casper/vmlinuz and /casper/initrd.lz
[04:03] <xubuntu34w> http://askubuntu.com/questions/791504/how-to-get-sound-on-a-positvo-netbook-xri3150-anonymous-motherboard
[13:28] <DUKENUKEM> hi, i changed my xfce4 session to not immediately start xfwm4 because i was trying to get xfce4 integrated with awesomewm. which file do I have to edit to bring back the default xfce4 settings? when i start X presumably no window manager is running, and if i start a terminal, the window cannot grab focus so I cannot start the windowmanager
[17:14] <rbkl> evening
[17:14] <rbkl> are the utilities that control screen brightness keys on laptops the same across all ubuntu flavours?
[19:25] <Eightynine> Hi. I'm using Xubuntu 16.04. I had tearing in Firefox and decided to switch to Chromium and got tearing too. Also I have poweroff bug. Menu-Shutdown-no reaction. Second attempt - PC turns off. No such bug in Windows. Please, help me.
[22:06] <er68> Hi, my computer hang randomly, I have searched error message in syslog but no anomaly found; there are other log that can I see? Thanks
[22:08] <er68> There are programs or Linux distributions for test the system components?
[22:11] <mrkramps> er68, system specifications?
[22:22] <er681> Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU  J2900  @ 2.41GHz
[22:23] <er681> 4GB RAM
[22:24] <er681> Linux 4.4.0-24-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 8 19:27:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:25] <mrkramps> er681, could you describe "hang randomly" in detail?
[22:29] <er681> mrkramps, thank you for attention. the monitor show the last image visualized, the mouse pointer don't move, the keyboard led (Num Locks, Caps lock) don't change if I press the related keys
[22:29] <mrkramps> er681, crash or just hanging for a while?
[22:31] <er681> Seems it hangs, I try to scan the network with Android Fing but the pc isn't discovered
[22:32] <xubuntu17w> Hi there, I still have huge trubble with this bug (Notebook goes black and overheats, without any respond) related to probably the ATI hybrid grafic:
[22:32] <xubuntu17w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1589139
[22:34] <mrkramps> er681, does it recover from hanging?
[22:34] <xubuntu17w> I tried tons of options and code lines/adaptions. But the only working solution so far: never ever use suspend etc. Only shotdown
[22:36] <xubuntu17w> Sorry, I didn't meant to interrupt. Help er681!
[22:36] <er681> mrkramps, to restart I must power off/on. I add these informations: I had installed Ubuntu, after I had installed XFCE, now I have installed Xubuntu. The installation is terminated from 20 minutes and the system is running.
[22:38] <mrkramps> er681, what kind of graphics card is used? intel onboard or something dedicated?
[22:43] <mrkramps> er68, you bios/uefi version is up-to-date?
[22:45] <er68> mrkramps, yes the bios/uefi is up-to-date
[22:46] <er68> mrkramps, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e)
[22:47] <mrkramps> er68, what's the exact laptop model?
[22:48] <er68> mrkramps: it's an assembled desktop
[22:51] <mrkramps> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503731
[22:53] <mrkramps> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88012
[22:54] <mrkramps> er68, both bug reports adressing the same issue. try the workaround listed and hope it will help
[22:55] <er68> mrkraps: thank you very much
[22:56] <mrkramps> you're welcome


 @RikMills, Hmmm... well we ought not to have Emerge on our website if the company no longer provides support.
 However, I think this presents an opportunity.. a Community Interest Company, think 501c3 for US. Could be created to provide this type of support.
 Support is a key feature for convincing business adoption..
 OK I've sent emerge-ooen an email to find out if they're still providing support
 Nice. Thanks!
[18:54] <valorie> thanks @Sick_Rimmit
 I'll check on it again in a week or so
 The seem to still be trading from companies house
 Though as a micro entity, they seem to have oped out of reporting a profit/loss account, so hard to say if they are doing much
 I did a whois and the registered their domain for another 12 months back in july


[05:54] <orby> what is the correct way to configure the ip address of a snappy ubuntu-core?
[05:55] <orby> in the same vein is there any special procedure for replacing the ubuntu account with a different admin user? or is it the same process as normal ubuntu?
[05:56] <orby> not really sure how configs live on with the imaging system
[10:16] <sergiusens> asac`, ogra_, hey, so the kernel plugin now seems to work; I am just getting "Cannot load shared library libudev.so.1" on boot; I know you were looking into that and I'm working from a cached version, so is it working now?
[10:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, i'm working on that
[10:16] <sergiusens> getting end to end working would be awesome :-)
[10:16] <sergiusens> ogra_, kudos to you for being great :-)
[10:16] <ogra_> there are bugs in fakechroot that i'm currently trying to hack around
[10:16] <sergiusens> the pieces are comming together
[10:17] <sergiusens> ogra_, this affects all arches, right? I'm trying on amd64 due to convenience
[10:17] <ogra_> yeah, it does
[10:17] <sergiusens> I guess I won't be able to try out the procedure on  a dragonboard until I get to linaro connect
[10:18] <ogra_> on arm64 the linker wasnt copied in at all, sorry, i did care for that first yesterday, should have done it the other way round :)
[10:18] <sergiusens> heh, no worries you never know what will break next until it breaks
[10:19] <sergiusens> and getting things out of the way is a good thing ;-)
[10:20] <sergiusens> ogra_, do you know out of hand if to get a nice kernel build from git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git I can go with kdefconfig on its own?
[10:20] <sergiusens> I'm afraid debian/rules does a lot of massaging in between, but maybe just to get a deb
[10:21] <ogra_> i dont thijk you can ... the config usually lives in the debian ir debian.$arch dir in ubuntu
[10:21] <ogra_> s/ir/or/
[10:21]  * sergiusens tries
[10:22] <ogra_> assembled by scripts (ande checked for required parameters) during build
[10:25] <sergiusens> ogra_, heh, the assembled by scripts means it is not there initially in a clone/checkout though :-)
[10:25] <ogra_> it is there, but in parts
[10:26] <ogra_> sergiusens, i though asac had asked the kernel team for their check scripts and included them in the kernel plugin
[10:27] <ogra_> after all we need to make sure that the required options are all set (systemd reqs., cgroups, squashfs etc etc)
[10:29] <sergiusens> ogra_, you mean this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git/tree/debian/scripts/config-check ?
[10:29] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, there is another one though
[10:30] <sergiusens> ogra_, well we don't have that yet, but nothing says we can't force enable some features (to make it transparent)
[10:30] <ogra_> ah, mightr just be an input file
[10:30] <sergiusens> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git/tree/debian/scripts/misc/kernelconfig
[10:30] <ogra_> debian.$arch/config/annotations has the required options
[10:31] <ogra_> not sure which script exactly consumes it though
[10:31] <sergiusens> ogra_, that's a generated file though, not here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git/tree/debian
[10:31] <ogra_> (these scriptrs are a maze of perl code )
[10:31] <sergiusens> yup
[10:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, ok, 0.7.32 should ship with libudev now
[10:42] <ogra_> oh, but i havent disabled the resize script yet, that might cause havoc on second boot
[10:42] <ogra_> (on the dragonboard only)
[11:24] <sergiusens> ogra_, heh; so I just need to create an os image now; I hope my bandwidth is good enough
[11:25] <sergiusens> ogra_, can you remind me mvo's branch for creating those?
[11:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/mksnap-os-kernel/files
[11:45] <ogra_> sergiusens, but that means you need a fresh tarball too
[11:46] <ogra_> (which will take some time, the package is still in -proposed
[11:46] <ogra_> )
[11:51] <ogra_> i'll trigger a tarball build once it migrated
[11:51] <ogra_> heh, and having said that, it just did
[11:52] <sergiusens> ogra_, oh, ok; I'll wait for the rootfs build
[11:52] <ogra_> triggered
[11:52]  * sergiusens is still cloning from kernel.ubuntu.com
[11:53] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/xenial/ubuntu-core-system-image/
[11:53] <ogra_> (if you want to watch it)
[12:06] <sergiusens> ogra_, what else can I do :-P
[12:25] <sergiusens> ogra_, Receiving objects: 100% (4489986/4489986), 999.75 MiB | 119.00 KiB/s, done.
[12:25] <ogra_> all done
[12:25] <sergiusens> ubuntu kernel
[12:25] <sergiusens> wow
[12:25] <sergiusens> a shallow clone
[12:25] <ogra_> heh
[12:26] <sergiusens> ogra_, builders during the weekend are a joy!
[12:26] <ogra_> yeah :)
[12:29] <ogra_> so now i need to fix the resize script ... and i think we should have a script included in the initrd package that makes injecting modules and firmware an easy task
[12:29] <ogra_> (doing all the nasty depmod stuff for you etc)
[12:30] <longsleep> ogra_: _that_ would be awesome :)
[12:30] <sergiusens> ogra_, by mounting /lib/modules?
[12:31] <sergiusens> ogra_, oh, now I see
[12:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, just something like "inject-modules.sh /path/to/initrd.img /path/to/modules/dir"
[12:31] <ogra_> it would unpack, push the needed modules in, run depmod and re-pack
[12:31] <ogra_> since thats quite fiddly
[12:32] <sergiusens> ogra_, to replace https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft/blob/feature/1552168/kernel-plugin/snapcraft/plugins/kernel.py#L154
[12:32]  * ogra_ looks
[12:32] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, basically what is done there, maybe cleaner
[12:32] <ogra_> sergiusens, i see it uses modules.dep ... where would that come from ?
[12:32] <sergiusens> ogra_, so infinity talked about writing a "copy_module" thingie which would take care of copying the correct firmware
[12:32] <ogra_> (our kernel packages only run depmod from the postinst)
[12:33] <sergiusens> ogra_, the kernel build
[12:33] <ogra_> ah, i see. it is a source build
[12:33] <sergiusens> yeah, this is all source
[12:33] <sergiusens> using the upstream ubuntu kernel deb comes later
[12:34] <ogra_> well, that is the bit i need on the builders
[12:34] <ogra_> where we use packaged kernels
[12:35] <ogra_> hmm, do i see that right that you actually include *all* modules ?
[12:35] <ogra_> that will give you quite a bloated initrd in the end ...
[12:35] <sergiusens> ogra_, no just the modules listed
[12:36] <ogra_> after all you only want squashfs and vfat/nls as mandatory modules
[12:36] <sergiusens> ogra_, it only does a --show-depends for self.options.kernel_initrd_mods
[12:36] <sergiusens> which is in snapcraft.yaml
[12:36] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:37] <sergiusens> and I guess we can add mandatory modules here as an improvement; unless `show-depends` returns `builtin`
[12:37] <ogra_> yeah
[12:37] <ogra_> (i still think we shold just enforce squashfs to be builtin on all non distro kernels though)
[12:38] <ogra_> that way you wouldnt even need to re-pack the initrd at all :)
[12:38] <sergiusens> ogra_, heh, I'd say the same for fat
[12:38] <sergiusens> why create a module for something will always load
[12:38] <sergiusens> *that will
[12:39] <longsleep> sometimes it might not even be possible to build a kernel - but in my configs i include all the modules required for snappy directly in vmlinux - so should be good
[12:39] <ogra_> vfat is builtin in your distro kernel
[12:39] <ogra_> but the nls modules arent
[12:39] <longsleep> ah
[12:39] <ogra_> s/your/our/
[12:40] <longsleep> i am currently working on the Pine64 kernel config, i got nls,vfat and squashfs
[12:40] <ogra_> yeah, thats good
[12:40] <sergiusens> don't forget apparmor
[12:40] <ogra_> right, and the right cgroups options
[12:40] <longsleep> yeah - i did not backport that yet .. its crappy Kernel 3.10 again :)
[12:41] <ogra_> fun
[12:41] <longsleep> if you are interested - https://github.com/longsleep/linux-pine64/blob/pine64-hacks-1.2/arch/arm64/configs/sun50iw1p1smp_linux_defconfig
[12:41] <longsleep> no snappy yet, but i got a fully functional xenial image
[12:41] <ogra_> would be interesting to see if it works with the new snapcraft plugin;)
[12:42] <longsleep> will try it soon - an probably for odroid c2 as well if not somebody else will have done it when i find the time
[12:43] <longsleep> (c2 has Kernel 3.14 which is not much better ..)
[12:45] <sergiusens> ogra_, longsleep I am still missing dtb integration
[12:46] <sergiusens> going to work on that during my 12 flight that's just around the corner
[12:46] <ogra_> where are you atm ?
[12:46] <sergiusens> I hope I have everything ready to work offline though :-)
[12:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, Chile
[12:46] <ogra_> oh, not changed the continent yet
[12:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, bad connections, 12 hour layover here as well
[12:46] <ogra_> woah
[12:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, the flght leaving last night was fully booked
[12:46] <longsleep> sergiusens: dtb just needs to be copied to /boot or /media/boot for pine64,c1 and c2
[12:47] <sergiusens> so total travel time is 43 hours
[12:47] <longsleep> oh my
[12:47] <ogra_> woah
[12:47] <sergiusens> return is only 246 :-)
[12:47] <sergiusens> woops
[12:47] <sergiusens> 26
[12:47] <sergiusens> ogra_, it's fine, they have beds here; I
[12:47] <ogra_> heh
[12:47] <longsleep> i hope you can bring a battery to the cabin - last time they took mine away before boarding "too high capacity" ..
[12:48] <sergiusens> I'm only worried that I will arrive Monday 00:30 so no time to adapt to a new timezone and only 6 hours or less of sleep to get ready for a packed Monday
[12:48] <sergiusens> longsleep, I got upgraded to business ;-)
[12:48] <sergiusens> most planes here have plugs for long haul flights in economy though
[12:49] <longsleep> right if they work :)
[12:49] <sergiusens> heh, you have to checkout the awesome planes we have here :-)
[12:50] <sergiusens> in any case it is 12 hours to Sidney then 8 more to Bangkok
[12:50] <longsleep> well in business that should be ok :)
[12:50] <longsleep> did you get upgraded for both flights?
[12:50] <sergiusens> the first 12 are business
[12:51] <sergiusens> the remaining 8 are something else
[12:51] <longsleep> so when you land snapcraft has learned to build a perfectly fine device snap (or whatever it is called)?
[12:52] <sergiusens> kernel snap
[12:52] <sergiusens> longsleep, it already seems to be building correctly for amd64 except for that initrd thing ogra just uploaded
[12:53] <longsleep> sergiusens: thats good, i will finish up to build a classix xenial image for Pine64 this weekend amd then go snappy next week - i guess that will help a lot
[12:53] <sergiusens> nothing glamorous about this, but what the heck http://paste.ubuntu.com/15291572/
[12:54] <longsleep> what about building stuff for u-boots which do not support initrd.img or vmlinuz?
[12:55] <ogra_> not supported anymore
[12:55] <longsleep> i did not look into arm64 booting on snappy yet, but at least the kernel cannot be named vmlinuz can it?
[12:55] <ogra_> people need to use the u-boot patches for raw files and need to use the patches for the .env file
[12:56] <ogra_> we use the same patches on the dragonboard ... kernel is vmlinuz, initrd is initrd.img
[12:56] <longsleep> ok i see - i have some research to do then
[12:56] <longsleep> how do you build vmlinuz for arm64? Or is it just Image gzip compressed there?
[12:56] <ogra_> its like five lines in the build config to change usually
[12:56] <ogra_> mak zImage
[12:56] <ogra_> ?
[12:57] <ogra_> *make
[12:57] <longsleep> i was under the impression that is not supported on arm64 - probably got that wrong
[12:57] <ogra_> works fine on the dragonboard ...
[12:57] <ogra_> but i guess it is a matter of the u-boot implementation
[12:58] <ogra_> (and on what u-boot release you base initially)
[12:58] <longsleep> that too, but i thought that there is no self extractor code in the kernel on arm64
[12:59] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/dragonboard/view/head:/uboot.patch
[12:59] <longsleep> but i can already tell that it will be some work to get devices boot vmlinuz and initrd instead of uImage and uInitrd
[13:00] <longsleep> what is the u-boot command you boot with on dragonboard?
[13:00] <longsleep> bootz?
[13:00] <ogra_> booti i think
[13:01] <longsleep> ok thats good, but what i do not get is how booti works with vmlinuz but thats probably something i missed
[13:01] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-systems/view/head:/dragonboard/uboot.env.in
[13:01] <ogra_> thats our current dragonboard env
[13:02] <ogra_> booti ${linux_addr} ${ramdisk_addr}:${initrd_size} ${fdt_addr}
[13:02] <longsleep> thanks, looks good and pretty compatible to mainline u-boot
[13:03] <longsleep> though, i am far away from mainline on the pine64 at the moment :/
[13:03] <ogra_> yeah, thanks to the 96boards guys ...
[13:03] <ogra_> i think their stuff is already flowing upstream even
[13:04] <longsleep> right now, i need to use boota on pine64 and thus also do not have a vmlinuz nor a initrd.im, its all inside a android wrapped kernel.img
[13:04] <ogra_> oh ?
[13:04] <longsleep> i want to backport booti to the old u-boot eventually, might even be a requirement to get snappy running
[13:04] <ogra_> why dont you make u-boot that kernel.img then ?
[13:05] <ogra_> and just use the u-boot features
[13:05] <ogra_> thats what i do on the dragonboard
[13:05] <longsleep> sure, but regarding snapcraft support that will not work right
[13:05] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/dragonboard/files
[13:05] <ogra_> thats my basic boot setup (independent from snappy)
[13:05] <ogra_> (see the README for details)
[13:06] <longsleep> yes, i got a similar thing https://github.com/longsleep/build-pine64-image/tree/master/u-boot-postprocess
[13:06] <ogra_> the dragonboard also only supports android style booting by default
[13:06] <ogra_> lk -> kernel.img usually
[13:07] <ogra_> i just trun it into lk -> u-boot.img
[13:07] <longsleep> ok, but their u-boot supports booti already
[13:07] <ogra_> by pretending the u-boot.img is a kernel one
[13:07] <ogra_> yeah, indeed
[13:07] <ogra_> and you have neither booti nor bootz ?
[13:08] <longsleep> well bootz will not work with the Kernel i have as it does not have an extractor for gz, i have only the uncompressed image and put that into the android format
[13:09] <longsleep> it has bootz, but the bootz code does not have the hack to switch to 64-bit mode
[13:09] <ogra_> isnt that just a kconfig thing ?
[13:09] <longsleep> yes and no, there is just no aarch64 code for it in the kernel
[13:09] <ogra_> bah
[13:10] <longsleep> ogra_: thats the u-boot config i currently use btw https://github.com/longsleep/u-boot-pine64/blob/pine64-hacks/include/configs/sun50iw1p1.h
[13:11] <longsleep> everything should work out somehow, i was planning to backport booti from mainline u-boot including the world hack anyways to get rid of the android boot stuff
[13:12] <ogra_> sounds good
[13:12] <longsleep> longsleep@mose2:/media/longsleep/Storage/Pine64/build-pine64-image/linux-pine64$ make ARCH=arm64 CROSS_COMPILE=aarch64-linux-gnu- LOCALVERSION=-longsleep -j4 zImage
[13:12] <longsleep> make: *** No rule to make target 'zImage'.  Stop.
[13:12] <longsleep> :)
[13:12] <ogra_> oh my
[13:13] <longsleep> i did not even know that mainline Kernels now have a self extractor for aarch64
[13:13] <longsleep> because i did not look that is :)
[13:16] <longsleep> so for now, i would prefer if snappy/snapcraft would not be fixated to require vmlinuz or initrd.img or be fixed to those file names
[13:16] <longsleep> could make it much easier for platform adopters
[13:17] <ogra_> well, as long as you support uboot.env you should still be free to do what you want after all
[13:17] <longsleep> yeah, thats good then
[13:17] <ogra_> uboot.env is definitely essential though since snappy modifies it
[13:17] <longsleep> i alread added all the stuff for the env file including the redundant thing we figured out ages ago. I hope it did not change :)
[13:17] <ogra_> from userspace
[13:18] <ogra_> see the dragonboard patch ;)
[13:18] <ogra_> didnt change
[13:18] <ogra_> (and the option still has the typo upstream ;) )
[13:18] <longsleep> hehe ok great - then i think all is well
[13:31] <longsleep> ogra_: btw, do you know the reason why in Xenial the serial getty service starts after rc-local service? Seems wrong and is annoying.
[13:32] <longsleep><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has After=rc-local.service
[13:38] <ogra_> nope, no idea
[13:39] <ogra_> but thats a getty ... you actually want all boot scripts to have run before you allow logins
[13:39] <ogra_> it's a bit weird to tie it to that specific service though
[13:41]  * ogra_ goes afk a bit
[14:50] <sergiusens> ubottu, am I here?
[15:16] <sergiusens> ogra_, asac` http://paste.ubuntu.com/15293021/
[15:16] <sergiusens> it is alive!
[15:16]  * sergiusens prepares for boarding
[15:18] <zyga> sergiusens: congrats
[15:18] <zyga> sergiusens: have a safe trip
[15:19] <sergiusens> zyga, thanks, I just need it working on a dragon board now


[21:31] <Laney> Has anyone looked into the ubiquity autopkgtest failure yet?
[21:32] <Laney> It seems to be caused by the removal of the "chi" entry in iso-codes 3.44