[22:46] <ecinx3>  !panel doesn't do anything " sorry, i know nothing of panel""
[22:46] <iceroot_> Wulfy: what groupware you need? kolab? scalix? ox? exchange?
[22:47] <iceroot_> leanfaust: why is it bad to install kubuntu-desktop?
[22:47] <iceroot_> leanfaust: from the shell
[22:47] <Gwar_Pony> hey guys, very odd request here. I have a library of close to 15,000 rendered pictures. I need a way to quickly filter out and display any that have a black square in the middle of them. is this possible at all or do I need to go through by hand?
[22:47] <leanfaust> the disorder
[22:47] <Wulfy> iceroot_,  not using exchange basicly notes mail  todo etc
[22:47] <mickster04> raisin123: open it....and click on the search box
[22:47] <kdog> Has anyone run parallels on ubuntu with Windows7 as the guest?
[22:48] <kerneltrouble> raisin123: just be aware that it might be harder to remove KDE and all it's affiliated programs then it was to get it
[22:48] <Jordan_U> Gwar_Pony: It can probably be done with imagemagic.
[22:48] <iceroot_> Wulfy: with kontact you can handle todos, calenders and so on
[22:48] <freebse> kdog: I did with debian
[22:48] <Wulfy> iceroot_,  thanks hunting for it now :)
[22:48] <maco2> iceroot_: um...as far as i know, it's not. and im an ubuntu dev using kubuntu.
[22:48] <roach> is there a way to tell if a service is running through a shell?
[22:48] <diphthong> I installed the ATI video driver from the 'add hardware' menu, now my X doesn't work.  how to recover?
[22:48] <dataviruset> ubuntu 10.04.2 is going to be released 1
[22:49] <dataviruset> 17 february, right? is there a way to get it noooow? :p
[22:49] <iceroot_> maco2: of course its not but i want to know from leanfaust
[22:49] <Jordan_U> roach: service foo status
[22:49] <raisin123> mickster04: ok thanks.
[22:49] <homeless> Hi I lost my home directory twice in a week. Xubuntu. Can anyone advise?
[22:49] <ecinx3> maco2: It would still be a problem if his hard drive is smal
[22:49] <roach> thank you Jordan_U
[22:49] <iceroot_> dataviruset: its not a featre update
[22:49] <Jordan_U> roach: You're welcome.
[22:49] <maco2> ecinx3: in which case you uninstall gnomne first
[22:50] <ecinx3> he want's to have both
[22:50] <korovamilk> hello
[22:50] <Wulfy> iceroot_,  bleh it relys on kde junk ? :)
[22:50] <l1nuxman> its so annoying when I want to edit a file thats in a filesystem directory with an editor after opening it and getting writing denied....Is there an easy way to make it open as root instead of having to do gksu ... explicitely in run ?
[22:50] <iceroot_> Wulfy: yes :(
[22:50] <korovamilk> now trying  xchat
[22:50] <kdog> freebse: what were the challenges?
[22:50] <korovamilk> looks better than kvirc
[22:50] <iceroot_> Wulfy: maybe have a look at evolution (gnome) it has some groupware functions too
[22:50] <iceroot_> Wulfy: but much less then kontact
[22:50] <ecinx3> iceroot was just warning him/her
[22:50] <Wulfy> iceroot_,  rats :( may go for a online solution then got plenty of hardware avalible and yeah using evolution now, feels kinda..... featureless and flat
[22:51] <dataviruset> can i get ubuntu 10.04.2 ISO somewhere? does it exist? :p
[22:51] <roach> d685ro6@gecko:~$ service foo status
[22:51] <roach> $foo: unrecognized service
[22:51] <iceroot_> Wulfy: have a look at zarafa, its an online outlook clone. look at google picture search. its really great
[22:51] <iceroot_> Wulfy: but zarafa is a complete groupware solution with mailserver and so on
[22:51] <iceroot_> dataviruset: why you need it?
[22:52] <sharav> How to fix java and ati problem?
[22:52] <Wulfy> iceroot hmmm i could just virtulise the app if that was what was needed but sounds like it may have a price tag on it?
[22:52] <iceroot_> sharav: by descriping the problem
[22:52] <dataviruset> iceroot_: i'm going to roll out some servers and i think it would be better to roll out 10.04.2 instead of 10.04.1 thinking of all updates i need to download afterwards
[22:52] <roach> Jordan_U, that command didnt work
[22:52] <roach> :(
[22:52] <iceroot_> dataviruset: what about a local repo?
[22:53] <homeless> Hi My Desktop and Documents folder just vanished from my home directory on Xubuntu - twice in a week. Do I need to reinstall?
[22:53] <sharav> iceroot_: every java applications crashes on my laptop with ati gpu :(
[22:53] <Wulfy> oh dear i just did sudo yum upgrade on a centos box.....
[22:53] <Jordan_U> roach: What did happen?
[22:53] <sharav> 3d java application
[22:53] <Diverdude> mevvis, when i do put CodeIgniter_2.0.0 in lftp which is a directory i get the error: CodeIgniter_2.0.0 is a directory. how do i copy the directory with files and subdirectories etc?
[22:53] <roach> d685ro6@gecko:~$ service foo status
[22:53] <roach> $foo: unrecognized service
[22:53] <iceroot_> sharav: but java has nothing to do with the gpu
[22:53] <roach> that ^
[22:53] <l1nuxman> its so annoying when I want to edit a file thats in a filesystem directory with an editor after opening it and getting writing denied....Is there an easy way to make it open as root instead of having to do gksu ... explicitely in run ?
[22:53] <iceroot_> sharav: ah ok java3d
[22:53] <dataviruset> iceroot_: ah, haven't thought of that. but i will need to install them anyway etc etc... well, whatever. i'll wait one more day :)
[22:53] <sharav> iceroot_ yes
[22:53] <iceroot_> sharav: 3d driver installed?
[22:53] <Jordan_U> roach: Replace foo with the service you want to check.
[22:53] <sharav> sure
[22:54] <roach> i dont know the name of the service
[22:54] <iceroot_> dataviruset: but its less traffic in the future
[22:54] <roach> if there is a service running there should be only one, and i dont know if it's running or not
[22:54] <iceroot_> l1nuxman: sudo vim filename
[22:55] <l1nuxman> iceroot_, GUI ! VIM ?
[22:55] <iceroot_> l1nuxman: no other (good way) to edit files owned by root
[22:55] <sharav> i want develop 3d java application, but java3d crashing :(
[22:55] <dataviruset> iceroot_: local repo sounds cool, just like windows deployment services or something. but it's in fact 2 servers that i don't wanna waste time with updates on :)
[22:55] <dataviruset> so it's not 100 servers...
[22:55] <iceroot_> l1nuxman: no need for a gui to write a text but if you prefer a gui, then use gksudo instead
[22:55] <mickster04> !details|  sharav
[22:55] <sharav> ok
[22:56] <iceroot_> dataviruset: ah ok though i was more
[22:56] <iceroot_> dataviruset: it
[22:56] <danub> hey all. ok, how do i use resize2fs to expand my drive? I just added 5 gigs of space to the vm disk and need to get that extra 5 gigs into the root drive.
[22:56] <yeats> roach: use 'ps aux | grep <search term>' to find a specific process
[22:56] <joelmob> how do i uninstall a package in java?
[22:56] <joelmob> i mena
[22:56] <joelmob> in ubuntu*
[22:56] <danub> i was looking at the manpage for it and it says i can do this while / is mounted
[22:56] <iceroot_> joelmob: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[22:56] <yeats> joelmob: sudo apt-get remove package
[22:56] <iceroot_> joelmob: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename  to delete conffiles also
[22:56] <dataviruset> iceroot_: thanks for helping. i'll check local repo out, though... it seems cool :)
[22:56] <K|nG> joelmob: Go to Ubuntu software and there you search ajva and you can remove it or by using terminal apt-get remove packagename
[22:57] <danub> do i have to format the unused space, or will resizefs do it for me?
[22:57] <LordVorp> what's the package name for the 'wl' wireless driver?
[22:57] <danub> anyone?
[22:58] <iceroot_> danub: its a bad idea to resize / while it is mounted, use a live-cd with gparted (gui)
[22:58] <danub> dont have physical access to server
[22:58] <Diverdude> When i do put myfolder in lftp which is a directory i get the error: myfolder is a directory. how do i copy the directory with files and subdirectories etc?
[22:58] <sharav> I have problem with java3d, Im running ubuntu version 10.10(maverick), when I try to run jMonkeyEngine and other 3d java apps, Its crashed,
[22:58] <iceroot_> sharav: maybe #java with the traceback
[22:59] <sharav> every forum, they point it's ati issue
[22:59] <kschultz> quick question, how do i make a link or alias so that when i use ls it will always put it ls -l in the command prompt? I've seen people do similar things for vi -> vim
[22:59] <yeats> Diverdude: cp -r will copy recursively
[22:59] <terrapin> where does Ubuntu 10.10 store backround images for the desktop. ie, the folder?
[22:59] <terrapin> the path?
[23:00] <Raj007> terrapin : /usr/share/backgrounds
[23:00] <terrapin> ty
[23:00] <rumpe1> kschultz, its called "bash alias"
[23:00] <trism> kschultz: alias ls='ls -l'; although you may want to add --color=auto from the default alias
[23:00] <BiPolah> I accidentally removed some applications from my top panel, how would I go about resetting it to default?
[23:00] <iceroot_> kschultz: link = ln -l  or  "alias vi='vim'
[23:00] <kschultz> rumpel: thanks
[23:01] <sharav> my gpu is ati radeon 6370
[23:01] <iceroot_> !panels | BiPolah
[23:01] <yeats> !ati | sharav
[23:01] <Diverdude> yeats, also in lftp?
[23:01] <BiPolah> iceroot_:Thanks
[23:02] <iceroot_> kschultz: but it for e.g. in ~/.bashrc
[23:02] <Diverdude> yeats, no, unknown command cp
[23:03] <iceroot_> Diverdude: /bin/cp working instead of cp?
[23:03] <Diverdude> iceroot_, no i am in lftp
[23:03] <yeats> Diverdude: looking at lftp man page...
[23:03] <Diverdude> iceroot_, its not a normal copy
[23:03] <iceroot_> Diverdude: ah, then read the manpage of ltfp what is the copy command there
[23:03] <sharav> ok thanks all. maybe i should do more research with java and ati :(
[23:04] <iceroot_> Diverdude: normally its something like put
[23:04] <Diverdude> iceroot_, yes like i said thats what i used. put
[23:04] <Diverdude> iceroot_, but it gives an error
[23:04] <iceroot_> Diverdude: sorry never used lftp
[23:04] <Diverdude> gah
[23:05] <yeats> Diverdude: http://paste.ubuntu.com/567886/
[23:05] <Difesa> Can I use VirtualBox to install Ubuntu on a partition?
[23:05] <yeats> Diverdude: maybe "mput ftp://.../*"
[23:05] <wildbat> Diverdude: why don't you mount the ftp with ftpfs ~ easier
[23:06] <Diverdude> yeats, no mput only supports files
[23:07] <yeats> Diverdude<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:07] <drag0nz> anyone knows how to nslookup an ipv6 hostname?
[23:08] <tripelb> Can this laptop take Ubuntu? That is my question.  Aspire One AOD255E-13647 Netbook  http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0355325&utm_source=ACT_NON_BYO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=E0992+eNews+20110215 -- is there a list of supported eq?
[23:09] <henway> http://rollcage.bl.echidna.id.au/IPv6/sun/files/c0204.htm
[23:09] <drexl> (process:235): GlibWarning **: get pwuid_r() failed due to unknown user id (0)
[23:10] <guampa> drag0nz: perhaps #networking
[23:10] <terrapin> k now i cant use nautalis to move a folder of pictures into the backrounds folder to use for backrounds?
[23:11] <Raj007> terrapin : sudo, you don't have permission.
[23:11] <freebse> terrapin: you drop the folder in backgrounds
[23:11] <terrapin> i can open natulis with sudo privilaages
[23:13] <adub_> after install ubuntu 10.10 i can not do anything my video just freezes up and there is a gray screen i have an nvidia graphics card
[23:13] <adub_> has this been patched yet
[23:13] <evilsushi> has what been patched?
[23:14] <adub_> well when i install ubuntu 10.04 i have to install with a flash drive it wont install from a cd rom nothing wrong with cd rom
[23:14] <adub_> when i try to install ubuntu 10.10 after rebooting only a gray screen shows and the computer locks up
[23:14] <adub_> ctrl alt backspace wont kick me to a prompt
[23:15] <adub_> i have zero ways of troubleshootting
[23:15] <middle> Hey, need some help AGAIN: Had a horrible load of errors, the other night so i did a clean install, now i had an error similar to the on i had had before about repos not being trusted, so i did an apt-get update, and then it was fixed. This let me use the update manager... half way through the update my PC crashed (froze), when i reboot i get just a black screen after ubuntu has booted. ANy suggestions?
[23:15] <iceroot_> adub_: ctrl + alt + f1
[23:16] <adub_> iceroot_ i had tried that too
[23:16] <middle> So can anyone offer any advice?
[23:16] <james78> Anyone have any idea on how to start another GUI on any other TTY? I used to know but have since forgotten.
[23:16] <random_newb_0234> I'm trying to "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda bs=2M" but it will take 22 hours.  Isn't there like a "raw disk" option or something by referencing the hda and sda with an extra letter or two?  I forget the trick but sometimes it runs faster  Little help?
[23:16] <adub_> is there a new release of ubuntu anytime soon coming out
[23:17] <iceroot_> adub_: april 2011
[23:17] <james78> adub_: April 28 to be precise. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[23:17] <drexl> (process:235): GlibWarning **: get pwuid_r() failed due to unknown user id (0)
[23:17] <adub_> are amd processors 32 bit or 64 bit
[23:17] <adub_> i have a phenom II quadcore
[23:17] <middle> Hey, need some help AGAIN: Had a horrible load of errors, the other night so i did a clean install, now i had an error similar to the on i had had before about repos not being trusted, so i did an apt-get update, and then it was fixed. This let me use the update manager... half way through the update my PC crashed (froze), when i reboot i get just a black screen after ubuntu has booted. ANy suggestions?
[23:17] <iceroot_> adub_: both
[23:19] <triptec_> hi, I just installed 10.10 for the second time and for some reason there is no user setup, i do fill in username and password when I install but the user isn't in the passwd file and there's no userfolder in /home fix?
[23:19] <iceroot_> triptec_: chroot into the system and create a user (and fill a bug report)
[23:20] <triptec_> iceroot_, is there any log from the install?
[23:20] <middle> Hey, need some help AGAIN: Had a horrible load of errors, the other night so i did a clean install, now i had an error similar to the on i had had before about repos not being trusted, so i did an apt-get update, and then it was fixed. This let me use the update manager... half way through the update my PC crashed (froze), when i reboot i get just a black screen after ubuntu has booted. ANy suggestions?
[23:21] <adub_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103809  <--- there is my processor should i get a 32bit or 64bit copy of ubuntu
[23:21] <Diamondcite> middle: More details please, Which ubuntu version? Do freezes happen often?
[23:21] <adub_> AMD64 technology
[23:22] <Senjai> 64
[23:22] <adub_> does that mean my processor is 64  bit
[23:22] <ponbiki> i'd besonally use the amd64 arch adub_
[23:22] <Senjai> yes
[23:22] <ponbiki> personally*
[23:22] <Senjai> Use the 64 bit version
[23:22] <Diamondcite> adub: When possible preffer 64bit, you can always make a chroot for 32bit?
[23:22] <Raj007> yeah it's 64 and 32-bit. How much RAM do you have?
[23:22] <middle> Diamondcite: Ubutnu 10.10, no it was a clean install from last night
[23:22] <adub_> i have 4 gig of pretty high end ram
[23:22] <middle> Diamondcite: Froze a lot last night though, befor the install
[23:22] <Senjai> DDR3?
[23:22] <iceroot_> triptec_: i dont think so but i dont know (i am not running ubuntu here so i cant look up)
[23:22] <drexl> I get this error at boot time and sometimes the computer won't start..   (process:235): GlibWarning **: get pwuid_r() failed due to unknown user id (0)
[23:23] <tripelb> Can this laptop take Ubuntu? That is my question.  Aspire One AOD255E-13647 Netbook  http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0355325&utm_source=ACT_NON_BYO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=E0992+eNews+20110215 -- is there a list of supported eq????????????????
[23:23] <adub_> 1 sec lemme check
[23:23] <Raj007> yeah, i'd use the 64-bit edition.
[23:23] <xnox> My internet is flaky. I'm copying large stuff over NFS. Can i resume "cp" from NFS after internet connection is reestablished?
[23:23] <droidftw> ubotu
[23:23] <droidftw> ubottu'
[23:23] <droidftw> ubottu
[23:23] <Senjai> tripelb ubuntu doesnt take much to run
[23:23] <adub_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227496
[23:23] <Diamondcite> middle: Have you considered using the liveCD/LiveUSB to test your ram? I can't see ubuntu being crashy..
[23:23] <iceroot_> drexl: are you using ldap or something like that for managing users?
[23:23] <adub_> ya it appears to be ddr3
[23:23] <middle> Dinondcite: and its not my OC'ing i don't think, as it was stable for a long time, and i had no issues, also it crashed, on safest settings as well
[23:23] <rspencer> ya running ubuntu on pentiuum3 with 256mbs
[23:23] <droidftw> can you install unity on the desktop version?
[23:23] <Senjai> tripelb yes it can
[23:23] <ecinx3> anyone knows how i can start my taskbar?
[23:23] <drexl> iceroot_: it's a fresh install of 10.10 lubuntu
[23:23] <ecinx3> unity compviz
[23:23] <middle> Dinondcite: yeah i could use memtest 86+
[23:24] <wildbat> xnox: you may wanna use rsync instead
[23:24] <droidftw> thankyou
[23:24] <triptec_> iceroot_, thanks anyways chrooted and $passwd as root shoud be enough?
[23:24] <iceroot_> drexl: ok that means you are using passwd
[23:24] <rspencer> rsync better
[23:24] <Senjai> but i still think you should get something better for that price
[23:24] <drexl> iceroot_: yup
[23:24] <iceroot_> triptec_: chroot and use adduser
[23:24] <Diamondcite> middle: That might be adviseable, sudden crashes are odd, especially on fresh installs. Try to run it for 1-2 passes.
[23:24] <iceroot_> drexl: the problem is that the system cant translate userid 0 to root
[23:24] <middle> yeah will do
[23:24] <xnox> wildbat, rspencer - but NFS cp is *much* faster than rsync =(
[23:25] <middle> my worry is ECC is off, so yeah....
[23:25] <iceroot_> drexl: why, i dont know normally its when all your users are stored in ldap and you dont have a connection to ldap
[23:25] <adub_> why does 10.10 have reported problems with nvidia graphics cards
[23:25] <xnox> wildbat, rspencer - or do you mean rsync from NFS mount to local disk?
[23:25] <triptec_> iceroot_, ok, yeah done, lets see if it works
[23:28] <wildbat> xnox:  cp don't "resume" so ~ if data is large rsync will be faster ~
[23:28] <xnox> wildbat, ok
[23:28] <juabn1> help please  i need other repository for ubuntu
[23:29] <Diamondcite> juabn1: Other repository?
[23:30] <juabn1> yeah
[23:30] <middle> Diamondcite: Is there anythign i should look for in memtest?
[23:30] <Diamondcite> middle: If there are any errors your screen will start showing red text.. So either look for such text.. or a frozen memtest86
[23:30] <juabn1> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list     paste here
[23:31] <BuenGenio> hello
[23:31] <rspencer> ya but doesnnt rsync verify?
[23:31] <Diamondcite> juabn1: Can't use synaptic to manage your sources?
[23:31] <middle> Diamondcite: OK, but it is HQ ram, that is only like 2 months old
[23:31] <BuenGenio> I was wondering - how to change the default boot theme?
[23:32] <Diamondcite> middle: Well this is just a percaution, if ram is good, check the installation medium.
[23:32] <juabn1> my repos are very slow
[23:33] <Diamondcite> juabn1: As far as I know ubuntu's sources are load balanced, So everyone's sources.list should be the same...
[23:33] <mneptok> BuenGenio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Splash Images and Theming
[23:33]  * mneptok blinks
[23:33] <mneptok> let's fix the URL manually, i guess ....
[23:33] <adub_> geforce gt 240 is not working on ubuntu
[23:33] <K|nG> ip6tables: Index of deletion too big.
[23:33] <K|nG>  Why show this one there ??
[23:33] <adub_> on 10.10
[23:34] <chasis> guys i need a rss recommendation for news, which is the best rss software for linux?
[23:34] <mneptok> BuenGenio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Splash%20Images%20and%20Theming
[23:34] <evilsushi> chasis: google reader
[23:34] <bastidrazor> juabn1: System > Administration > Software Sources > Download from :: change the download from server
[23:34] <mneptok> !best | chasis
[23:34] <bastidrazor> juabn1: you can choose 'other' and have it select the best server for you
[23:34] <mneptok> chasis: look at Liferea and RSSOwl, too
[23:35] <chasis> i need one that tells me when a news about a filter i added to this software
[23:35] <evilsushi> snackr is a good one, built on air
[23:35] <chasis> and show the new on the same program
[23:36] <chasis> news*
[23:36] <tim_> I'm having a problem with a fresh install of 10.10 netbook remix: The sidebar and top panel don't show up properly. There is 'negative space' where they should be, but no graphics. Anyone here familiar with this issue?
[23:36] <freebse> tim_: I have the same issue with radeon
[23:37] <freebse> tim_: it is a bug
[23:37] <antonius> i've got a radeon x1200, had accelerated graphics working..then, just stopped working.  Personally, i think compiz is LAME, but, I do want my hardware to be capable to perform as its meant.  What do?
[23:37] <middle> Diamondcite: Do you mean the HDD? How would i test that from netroot?
[23:37] <Senjai> During an installation from source, after doing ./configure, i got this error: no terminal library found
[23:37] <Senjai> checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND!
[23:37] <Senjai>       You need to install a terminal library; for example ncurses.
[23:37] <Senjai> Does anyone know how to fix that?
[23:38] <juabn1> i have repost to japon
[23:38] <tim_> freebse: it could be a radeon card. There's an ATI sticker on teh computer, but 10.10 regular doesn't prompt for any special drivers, and looks fine.
[23:38] <juabn1> i need other repos
[23:38] <freebse> na ATI is lame, I never had problems with other cards
[23:38] <Andorin> Is Linux built in such a way that you can rename important directories, such as /home/?
[23:38] <Exterminans> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ down?
[23:38] <Diamondcite> Andorin: Renaming home is a little extreme, but if you are careful it should be doable.
[23:38] <freebse> since I have the ATI crad insinde my laptop compiz makes problems, I have font issues etc
[23:38] <Logan_WP> Exterminans: yes
[23:39] <bastidrazor> Exterminans: the ppa i am using from launchpad is down too. probably havnig issues
[23:39] <Senjai> Exterminans,  http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://ppa.launchpad.net/
[23:39] <antonius> yeah, ATI is lame, but when it's onboard, and on a laptop, not much you can do...but use windows :/
[23:39] <freebse> but I don't want to use closed source drivers, nv was much better
[23:39] <rumpe1> Andorin, linux can be build in any way you want....
[23:39]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - Rocketeer (feat. Ryan Tedder of One Republic) [03:31m/213kbps/44kHz]
[23:39]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - Girls On The Dance Floor (feat. The Stereotypes) [03:54m/256kbps/44kHz]
[23:39] <Andorin> Diamondcite: Okay. I had someone ask me about it and obviously didn't know. I think she wondered about changing /home/user/ to /house/me/
[23:40] <tim_> Can I update the drivers at all, or is it a bust? Kind of weird, if I alt-tab, the graphics show up for a second.
[23:40] <BuenGenio> where are the "keyboard layout" and volume applets in 10.10 ?
[23:40] <Senjai> so does anyone know how I can fix my issue? what the hell is a terminal library
[23:40] <Logan_WP> !language | Senjai
[23:40] <antonius> lol changing from /home/ to /house/  that's like changing my name from Stephen to Steven
[23:40] <freebse> I fixed it by installing fglrx, but still it is a bug
[23:40] <Senjai> Sorry
[23:40] <Diamondcite> Andorin: While I'm not expert, I beleive you CAN change it, remember to change /etc/passwd to match the new location of home. Some applications which are already installed and use absolute paths may break after moving /home, but that can be fixed with a symlink.
[23:41] <Andorin> Diamondcite: I see
[23:41] <middle> Diamondcite: Do you mean the HDD? How would i test that from netroot?
[23:41] <freebse> what about moving home, normally nothing breaks, just update it in fstab
[23:42] <tim_> freebse: thanks, I'm installing that now, hopefully it's a fix.
[23:42] <Diamondcite> middle: Eh? I was thinking of testing the CD/USB drive holding the ubuntu install.
[23:42] <diphthong> how can i get the temperature of my machine ?
[23:42] <freebse> tim_: it does solve the problem at least it did over here, but still it is not a fix, it is a workaround
[23:42] <middle> oh... i could make a new one, running 32bit instead of 64 bit wouldn't cause errors woudl it? (beasty PC)
[23:42] <Senjai> !ot | dipthong
[23:43] <bastidrazor> Senjai: that is not offtopic.
[23:43] <diphthong> how is that not ubuntu related?  pedantic weirdo
[23:43] <tim_> Yeah, it should work out of the box. Really I just wanted to try the new interface. 10.10 is running fine.
[23:43] <Diamondcite> Senjai: Consider installing libncurses5-dev ?
[23:43] <middle> Diamondcite:oh... i could make a new one, running 32bit instead of 64 bit wouldn't cause errors woudl it? (beasty PC)
[23:43] <bastidrazor> !sensors | diphthong
[23:43] <freebse> besides this netbook thing is beta status
[23:43] <Senjai> Is it default with ubuntu repositories?
[23:43] <antonius> diphthong, well depending on WHAT u want a temp for, CPU, GPU, etc
[23:43]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - If I Was You (OMG) (feat. Snoop Dogg) [03:25m/256kbps/44kHz]
[23:43] <Diamondcite> Senjai: yes, I can see it in synaptic.
[23:43] <Shjork> Is there a way to format a usb thumb drive so that it is capable of installing ubuntu onto a computer from the usb thumb drive??
[23:43] <bastidrazor> CryonicCore: turn that off, please.
[23:44] <Senjai> Diamondcite, I'll try it, let you know in a sec
[23:44] <middle> Anyone got a good reason for me to not use Arch?
[23:44] <tim_> freebse: so what exactly is flgrx or what ever that was?
[23:44] <Diamondcite> Senjai: Generally speaking, when you ./Configure a configure.log is generated, it will tell you what it might be looking for.
[23:44] <Dewey24> middle: they only have one book published?
[23:44] <freebse> tim_: the closed source graphic drivers from ati, what card do you have
[23:44] <bodhizazen> Anyone here familiar with framebuffer ?
[23:45] <Logan_WP> !usb | Shjork
[23:45] <Exterminans> middle: Might be even more stable the ubuntu, so give it a shot. Only reason not to, is that a lot of software out there has only prebuild packages for debian/ubuntu
[23:45] <bodhizazen> X is working fine, I am getting native resolution, but I can not get the proper resolution on my console(s)
[23:45] <middle> Dewey24: I haven't read any Ubuntu books so not the end of the world
[23:45] <Senjai> Diamondcite, no errors! Thank you Diamond :)
[23:45] <tim_> I don't know what card I have, since 10.10 doesn't report it. Is there an easy way to check from the shell?
[23:45] <Dewey24> middle: better start reading they are awesome
[23:45] <Shjork> Thanks~ :D
[23:46] <Logan_WP> !framebuffer | bodhizazen
[23:46] <tim_> freebse: I figured I'd see an option for ATI drivers on the additional driver window, but it only came up with stuff for my wireless card.
[23:47] <freebse> tim_: lspci
[23:47] <Logan_WP> !info lspci | tim_
[23:47] <Logan_WP> oops
[23:48] <freebse> what it does not exist ?
[23:48] <BuenGenio> where are the "keyboard layout" and volume applets in 10.10 ?
[23:48] <Logan_WP> tim_: it's a command, not a package - my mistake
[23:48] <Logan_WP> freebse: ^
[23:48] <Logan_WP> !layout | BuenGenio
[23:48] <freebse> lol, I have debian and just thought damn they even removed that :)
[23:48] <tim_> freebse: I got that, thanks :) It reports back that it's an ATI SB600? <-never heard of that.
[23:49] <bodhizazen> Logan_WP: How is that link supposed to solve my problem exactly ?
[23:49]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - She Owns The Night (feat. Mohombi) [04:03m/200kbps/44kHz]
[23:49] <induz> can someone help me installing from .tar.gz downloaded files?
[23:49] <Logan_WP> tim_: that's your chipset
[23:49] <Alan> WHOA... is ppa.launchpad.net down or something?
[23:49] <Logan_WP> Alan: yes
[23:49] <freebse> it is a 5800 something
[23:49] <Alan> Logan_WP: way to go canonical?
[23:49] <induz> i have downloaded the source but its .tar.gz format
[23:49] <Logan_WP> bodhizazen: it has instructions for changing your framebuffer modes
[23:49] <aeon-ltd> !compile | induz
[23:50] <tim_> there is is, Radeon X1200
[23:50] <freebse> I don't know if this card is supported by the driver included in ubuntu, other wise you need to install it manual from the ati webpage
[23:50] <freebse> maybe someone else can tell you
[23:50] <bodhizazen> Logan_WP: When using frambuffer with intel cards one does not use "vga="
[23:50] <diphthong> what is the difference between aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade ?
[23:50] <Logan_WP> !dist-upgrade | diphthong
[23:50]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - So What? [03:24m/224kbps/44kHz]
[23:50] <tim_> Cool, I'm gonna logoff and back on, see if that fixed it.
[23:51] <bodhizazen> setting vga=7xx would disable framebuffer
[23:52] <bodhizazen> Logan_WP: I am using KSM on an intel chip (GMA500)
[23:52] <bodhizazen> With a patched i915resolution
[23:52] <freebse> should be supported by the driver provided by ubuntu
[23:53] <BuenGenio> Logan_WP, thanks - I already added the extra layouts - but there is no indicator applet - so I don't know which one is turned on
[23:53] <bodhizazen> So as I said, X works fine, no problems there, I am having problems with my console resolution
[23:54] <bodhizazen> setting vga=7xx disables the (intel) KSM
[23:54] <kamal_> hai
[23:54] <Logan_WP> BuenGenio: mmk - try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-129860.html
[23:54]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - Don't Look Now (feat. Keri Hilson) [03:34m/224kbps/44kHz]
[23:54]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - Fighting for Air (feat. Frankmusik) [03:45m/223kbps/44kHz]
[23:54] <Logan_WP> CryonicCore: turn that off
[23:54] <aeon-ltd> CryonicCore: please stop that
[23:54] <BuenGenio> Logan_WP, there is no Indicator Applet in my list
[23:54] <BuenGenio> it was there in 10.04 but not in 10.10
[23:55] <BuenGenio> which is why I ask
[23:55] <BuenGenio> same for Volume Control
[23:55] <freebse> BuenGenio: I had the same problems, you need to add it manually after upgrading, no big problem
[23:55] <induz> aeon-ltd, I already downloaded the .tar.gz file from the winedoor website but i am unable to install it
[23:55] <anonboots> I still cant get my Deskjet 1000 to work. I downloaded and installed the latest HPLIP, with no success. What should I do next?
[23:56] <BuenGenio> freebse, what's the package name?
[23:56] <freebse> BuenGenio: from which applet ?
[23:57] <bodhizazen> Logan_WP: Do you have any idea if it a problem with the kernel configuration, and if so what, or is it a problem with the initramfs ?
[23:57] <freebse> BuenGenio: gnome-volume-control-applet
[23:57] <Logan_WP> anonboots: you tried this wizard? http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install_wizard/index.html
[23:57] <Logan_WP> bodhizazen: no idea, sorry
[23:57] <xomp> hi, trying to setup an hybrid-ircd on my ubuntu server and I installed it via apt-get install hybrid-ircd and all went well, except there is absolutely NO ircd.conf in /etc/ircd-hybrid/ircd.conf lilke every bit of ubuntu's help files and hybrid-ircd's websites say there should be lol, please help!
[23:57] <rhapsodhy> hi
[23:57] <anonboots> Logan_WP. Ill give it a shot.
[23:57] <CryonicCore> Logan_WP, aeon-ltd, guys I will say this in a better way then the way I really like to say this but "no"
[23:57] <Logan_WP> CryonicCore: then you'll be kicked
[23:58]  * CryonicCore np: Far East Movement - White Flag (feat. Kayla Kai) [03:48m/224kbps/44kHz]
[23:58] <rhapsodhy> how does ubuntu unlock ssh passwords only when initiating an actual connection?
[23:58] <Logan_WP> !ops CryonicCore is refusing to shut off music notifications
[23:58] <rhapsodhy> i mean, i know it does that, i just don't understand the process
[23:58] <joseAway> Greetings, largest channel around
[23:58] <bodhizazen> Anyone else who can advise me on KSM on an intel chip set ?
[23:58] <BuenGenio> freebse, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnome-volume-control-applet"
[23:59] <freebse> CryonicCore: cool so we all do that from now on, who can read in the channel then
[23:59] <joseAway> I'm trying to troubleshoot broken log rotation as per the suggestions on http://serverfault.com/questions/194092/syslog-rotation-not-working
[23:59] <joseAway> So I'm wondering
[23:59] <freebse> BuenGenio: no package, manually add this to the panel
[23:59] <joseAway> What exactly does /etc/cron.daily/apt DO?
[23:59] <Logan_WP> !op
[23:59] <CryonicCore> Logan_WP, ur a cry baby


[12:13] <Lathiat> Riddell: add mdns in hosts ti /etc/nsswitch.cofn (which it is in dapper)
[12:16] <allee> Lathiat, Riddell: there's a thread on pkg-kde-talk ml.  There one of upstream recommended to ues file mdns4 dns (afair).
[12:17] <allee> > I think it should be "file mdns4 dns". Someone should file a bug about
[12:17] <allee> > this.
[12:18] <allee> Lathiat, Riddell: thread starts: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2006-January/000445.html
[12:28] <_rockie> need reviews http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1521
[12:34] <freeflying> need reviews http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1521
[12:44] <allee> freeflying: about: eva.  Did you ever read the manpage?  eva is a very curious program
[12:45] <allee> freeflying: long and short description: I still have no idea what qq is.  Describe what is does and what's good for.  Not that is ported and by whom.  like qq can be mentioned as a side note for the experts in long desc.
[12:53] <freeflying> allee: thx ,I'll add more details about descpition of it
[12:56] <allee> freeflying: np
[01:43] <Red_Herring> anyone listening if i make a suggestion?
[01:45] <Red_Herring> fine
[01:45] <Red_Herring> ill say it anyway, in case anyone ever reads this
[01:46] <Red_Herring> can someone make a script for konqueror, or even kde, so that .iso and etc. all can be mounted?
[01:46] <Red_Herring> i know its not that hard at all
[01:46] <Red_Herring> i can do it in the terminal
[01:46] <Red_Herring> but i lack the knowlage to write a script
[01:47] <Red_Herring> so if anyone could take my suggestion, im glad i helped
[01:49] <freeflying> Red_Herring: there have such a script on kde-apps.org
[01:49] <Red_Herring> but why are they not in kubuntu?
[01:50] <freeflying> Red_Herring: you can package it for kubuntu, if you like so
[01:50] <Red_Herring> oooooo
[01:50] <Red_Herring> i have NO CLUE how to
[01:51] <Red_Herring> i just had that idea after i made isos of all my futurama dvds
[01:55] <freeflying> Red_Herring: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[01:56] <Red_Herring> ok, i am pretty much a n00b when it comes to development at all, i dont know what scripts i need, or how to write them, and i have no freaking clue what that package page is all about
[02:25] <allee> freeflying: this iso mounting tools on kde-apps.  You remember the name of have the URL? Have you used it yourself?
[02:25] <allee> s/of/or/
[02:33] <freeflying> allee: I've used it before , but it dosen't perform well
[02:33] <Red_Herring> im sorry, i am not very good at doing any sort of development
[02:34] <Red_Herring> so i was kinda asking if any of you could do something llike that
[02:37] <allee> Red_Herring: np.  User are also important ;)  They often point out problems that developers never realize.
[02:38] <Red_Herring> thank you
[02:38] <allee> Red_Herring: E.g., I always use k3b to browse iso.  But you are right this could be made easier.
[02:38] <freeflying> Red_Herring: I'm also a user of kubuntu
[02:39] <Red_Herring> i just think if you could mount it into the file system it would be easyer
[02:39] <allee> Red_Herring: if you have some time search on www.kde-apps.org if there are apps that seem to do what you want
[02:39] <Red_Herring> its just a suggestion
[02:39] <freeflying> allee: I've reuploaded eva
[02:39] <Red_Herring> well... i really should be studying for finals
[02:40] <allee> Red_Herring: and _not_ a bad one!
[02:40] <allee> Red_Herring: okay.  Good luck for your finals!!!!
[02:40] <Red_Herring> thanks
[02:40] <Red_Herring> i need it
[02:40] <allee> Not if you learn instead of search for handy apps on kde-apps ;)
[02:41] <Red_Herring> well, luck still is a very handy thing to have
[02:44] <allee> :)
[02:44] <allee> freeflying: quick look only.  It's late here ;)
[02:46] <allee> freeflying: if you feel like it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1525  look at debian/TODO first
[02:50] <allee> freeflying: just curious: why did you rebuild configure and the Makefiles?
[02:50] <freeflying> allee: I've not
[02:53] <allee> freeflying: can you try: debuild clean; mv debian/ ..; cd ..; rm -rf eva-0.4.0; tar xzf - eva_0.4.0.orig.tar.gz; mv debian eva-*; cd eva-*; debuild;  lsdiff -z ../eva-*.diff.gz # please double check for typos!!!!!
[02:53] <allee> freeflying: this is the usual way I use to clean up stuff that slipped into the diff.gz for whatever reason
[02:53] <freeflying> allee: got it , I'd check it now
[02:54] <allee> freeflying: oh, forgot.  Mv the newly generated diff.gz aside and run debuild again.  Both diffs, of 1st and 2nd build, should be identical
[02:54] <allee> freeflying: ok ;)
[02:55] <freeflying> allee: thx a lot
[02:56] <allee> freeflying: lsdiff is invaluable to detect such sometime accidental polutions of the diff
[02:57] <allee> freeflying: is eva only working in Linux? If not remove from description
[03:00] <allee> freeflying: debian/copyright has old FSF address, please inform upstream to fix it
[03:00] <allee> freeflying: maybe ask on -motu if it's okay to change in copyright
[03:02] <allee> freeflying: bug! debian/copyright:  text is about LGDL but you rever to the GPL-2 file on debian
[03:02] <freeflying> allee: I'm checking it
[03:06] <allee> freeflying: manpage is still on your TODO right?  (Btw.  create a debian/TODO and list stuff you know needs work.  Saves duplicate comments and helps to not forget)
[03:07] <allee> freeflying: better remove manpage.1 until there's a real one
[03:07] <freeflying> allee: y , manpage needs work
[03:08] <allee> freeflying: menu files: section="Apps/see-menu-manual"  see manual for right proper value. (or, search menu files of other similar apps)
[03:09] <freeflying> allee: I forgot to correct this
[03:12] <allee> freeflying: you list docs to install in rules and docs file.
[03:15] <allee> freeflying: curious: why don't you use cdbs. I have not seen anything special.  You rules files will get a simple and two include statements (and for free you get a bit more advanced config.* handling)
[03:16] <allee> freeflying: nothing more to 'nag' right now ;)
[04:52] <freeflying> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete-meanwhile/+bug/28847
[05:17] <freeflying> Riddell: maininclusionreport about scim are all available now
[05:54] <spstarr_home> hrm, is it me or KDE can't add new kio-slaves without restarting KDE? is this a bug?
[05:55] <spstarr_home> if you add a new one, there's no registration process to initiate aside from knowing how to use kioslave (the cli tool)
[06:12] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[07:27] <Mez> LaserJock, It's very early in the morning for him
[07:27] <LaserJock> Mez: thanks, Riddell nevermind I asked somebody else
[09:12] <Mez> Riddell: new katapult is in REVU
[01:00] <teprrr> spstarr_work, run kdeinit, or start the app who wants to use the kioslave from the console
[01:01] <teprrr> when starting from console it won't use kdeinit automatically to speed up the startup
[01:01] <teprrr> and will reload all the libs agin
[01:39] <Riddell> Mez: katapult 0.3.1 gives me lots of "There was some error using DCOP. Perhaps amaroK doesn't run."
[01:39] <Riddell> which isn't the end of the world, but a bit untidy
[01:39] <Riddell> (amarok isn't running)
[01:41] <teprrr> hmm
[01:42] <teprrr> how easy it's to packaging? I mean is it necessary to read some kind of big book like debian has for the packagers?
[01:45] <Riddell> it's easy once you get the idea of it
[01:45] <Riddell> takes an evening or two to work it out and a lifetime to perfect
[01:46] <Riddell> see KubuntuPackagingGuide
[01:47] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[01:48] <Riddell> hi freeflying_
[01:51] <freeflying_> Riddell: maininclusionreport about scim are all ok
[01:51] <Riddell> freeflying_: oh yes, I'll check those over and add to UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[01:52] <freeflying_> Riddell: when will the meeting begain ?
[01:53] <Riddell> freeflying_: which meeting?
[01:54] <freeflying_> Riddell: technical board meeting
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying_: that was last night
[01:55] <Riddell> freeflying_: but I asked at a previous meeting and scim is all fine to go into main pending the main inclusion reviews
[01:56] <freeflying_> Riddell:  so nice
[01:56] <freeflying_> Riddell: will you remove the qtimmodule patch
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: I'm going to look at that kmail crash today and see what causes it, could be qtimmodule or could be the fontconfig patches I put in qt
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: when affect will removing qtimmodule patch have on using CKJ in kubuntu?
[02:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: sorry ? I've understand the above u've said
[02:00] <freeflying_> s/I've/I havn't
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: if we remove the qtimmodule patch from qt, does that mean you can't use CKJ in kubuntu?
[02:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: this patch just make it possible that we can use scim instead of xim
[02:03] <freeflying_> Riddell:  I don't think there will be too much affect in CJK users
[02:03] <Riddell> so without the patch you can't use scim/skim?
[02:03] <freeflying_> Riddell: no, we can use , just though the xim
[02:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: http://immodule-qt.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fimmodule_2dqt is a modular, extensible input method subsystem for Qt.
[02:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: It brings functionality similar to the immodule for GTK+ to the Qt library
[02:29] <teprrr> Riddell, hmm. the kubuntupackagingguide doesn't tell me how to create the first changelog.. nor there's dch in dapper at all?
[02:30] <teprrr> Riddell, also makefile -f Makefile.cvs in order to get the configure isn't rat at all
[02:30] <freeflying_> teprrr:  dh_make
[02:31] <Riddell> dch is in devscripts
[02:31] <Riddell> dh_make will make a sample debian directory with a whole bunch of example files suffixed with .ex
[02:31] <teprrr> oh, wajig whichpkg didn't found it..
[02:31] <Riddell> dch --create  to create one
[02:32] <Riddell> dch isn't in the devscipts description I think so it's hard to find
[02:32] <teprrr> oh, I have debian dir already here with files created by me with help of that wiki page
[02:32] <Riddell> teprrr: do you have something in mind to package?
[02:32] <teprrr> Riddell, kate session menu atm.
[02:33] <Riddell> cool
[02:34] <teprrr> but hmm, how can I get configure script created?
[02:34] <teprrr> shouldn't rules file take care of it automatically?
[02:34] <Riddell> teprrr: KDE packages need make -f Makefile.cvs to make the configure script
[02:35] <Riddell> teprrr: the upstream author should have done that in their release but it looks like they haven't
[02:35] <Riddell> teprrr: so you can either add a rule to debian/rules to run that
[02:35] <teprrr> Riddell, well, I know kde packages need that as I'm a dev of one ;)
[02:35] <teprrr> ah, okay
[02:35] <Riddell> or run it yourself and package the .orig.tar.gz with that having been run and note it in the changelog
[02:36] <Riddell> the source also has a KateSessionMenu-0.1/admin/.svn/ directory which should probably be removed from the .orig.tar.gz
[02:36] <Riddell> (although opinions differ)
[02:37] <teprrr> btw, what kind of directory name should the app have? should it follow the package name or..?
[02:37] <Riddell> yes but all in lower case
[02:37] <Riddell> so that should be changed too
[02:37] <Riddell> katesessionmenu-0.1
[02:40] <teprrr> yes
[02:40] <teprrr> hmm, I should disable unsermake for building, should I?
[02:41] <Riddell> yes
[02:42] <Riddell> unless you want to build with unsermake, that's always fun, but more trouble than it's worth usually
[02:43] <teprrr> yup, install doesn't seem to work..
[02:44] <teprrr> hmm..
[02:48] <teprrr> ahem.. Makefile:661: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.
[02:48] <Riddell> which Makefile?
[02:49] <teprrr> make[3] : Entering directory `/home/tpr/storage/kubuntu-packages/katesessionmenu-0.3/obj-i486-linux-gnu/src'
[02:49] <teprrr> worked fine with unsermake.. but gotta go now, bbl
[02:50] <Riddell> try with a fresh source maybe, mixing unsermake and automake might break things
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you able to reupload kwin-style-blended with the files not all set to executable?
[03:21] <jjesse> i noticed the vw-dial is now asking for a phone #, a username and password on apt-get dist-upgrade for dapper, what if you don't have a modem installed?  shouldn't it skip this package?
[03:25] <Riddell> jjesse: I haven't seen that
[03:25] <jjesse> Riddell: really?  just did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on two dapper boxes this mroning and it asked for phone # etc
[03:25] <jjesse> on both of them
[03:26] <Riddell> what version of wvdial?
[03:26] <jjesse> stupdi question, how do i tell?
[03:28] <Riddell> apt-cache show wvdial
[03:28] <Riddell> apt-cache policy wvdial  might be clearer
[03:29] <jjesse> version 1.55-1
[03:30] <Riddell> Setting up wvdial (1.55-1ubuntu1) ...
[03:30] <Riddell> Editing `/etc/wvdial.conf'.
[03:30] <Riddell> Scanning your serial ports for a modem.
[03:30] <Riddell> Modem Port Scan<*1>: S0   S1   S2   S3
[03:30] <Riddell> Sorry, no modem was detected!  Is it in use by another program?
[03:30] <Riddell> Did you configure it properly with setserial?
[03:30] <Riddell> jjesse: do you have a modem installed?
[03:31] <jjesse> Riddell: nope
[03:31] <jjesse> two NICs no modem
[03:33] <Riddell>   * Drop the debconf priority on all questions to "medium", so they don't
[03:33] <Riddell>     show up in a default install (which they did, cause we're in *-desktop)
[03:34] <Riddell> jjesse: infinity is your man to poke
[03:34] <jjesse> on this channel?
[03:35] <Riddell> #ubuntu-devel
[03:35] <Riddell> he's on .au timezone
[03:36] <jjesse> grin i now have channels open for #kubuntu, #kubuntu-devel, #ubuntu-doc, #ubuntu-server, and #ubuntu-devel :)
[03:36] <Riddell> is that all?  you're lucky!
[03:36] <jjesse> OkI need help on another queryb/c this is way over my head
[03:36] <jjesse> I am looking for a Relationships querysimilar to the portfolio query you made, but it needs to include any relationships, such as:
[03:37] <jjesse> Loan
[03:37] <jjesse> Deposit Accounts
[03:37] <jjesse> CDs
[03:37] <jjesse> Safe Deposit Box
[03:37] <jjesse> ODP
[03:37] <jjesse> Is this possible?
[03:37] <jjesse> Allison N. Wiers
[03:37] <jjesse> Relationship Coordinator
[03:37] <jjesse> Founders Trust Personal Bank
[03:37] <Tm_T> :)
[03:37] <jjesse> Direct Number<PHONE_NUMBER>
[03:37] <jjesse> Fax<PHONE_NUMBER>
[03:37] <jjesse><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:37] <jjesse> This page and any accompanying documents contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, wh
[03:37] <jjesse> opy format.
[03:37] <jjesse> dang it
[03:37] <jjesse> sorry
[03:37] <jjesse> [09:36]  <pitti> jjesse: known bug, and lots of complaints already :) we'll fix that ASAP
[03:38] <jjesse> don't you hate it when you paste wrong information to wrong place
[03:38] <Tm_T> anyone willing to test se. dapper mirrors?
[03:38] <Tm_T> jjesse: that was very good paste ;)
[03:38] <jjesse> Tm_T: i'm glad you enjoyed it
[03:38] <Tm_T> :)
[04:50] <teprrr> Riddell, didn't help. still the same problem
[04:53] <teprrr> ah, found the problem possibly
[04:53] <teprrr> hmm, no..
[04:54] <Riddell> teprrr: can you get it to build without debian pacackaging stuff?
[04:54] <teprrr>           && $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) dist \
[04:55] <teprrr> hmm, lets try
[04:56] <teprrr> doesn't seem to work.. but 661 is xgettext line there.. and it has those 8 spaces..
[04:56] <Riddell> aah
[04:56] <Riddell> what's the line?
[04:56] <teprrr> Makefile.in isn't generated file, right?
[04:56] <Riddell> and which Makefile?
[04:56] <Riddell> Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.am during the make -f Makefile.cvs stage
[04:56] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[04:57] <teprrr> ah, okay.. src/Makefile.in has those eight spaces to
[04:57] <teprrr> too even..
[04:57] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[04:57] <teprrr> though the Makefile.am contains tab instead of those..
[04:57] <teprrr> automake problem?
[04:57] <Mez> Riddell: nvm - I just checked my email :D
[04:58] <Mez> Riddell - howcome we both got katie output?
[04:58] <Riddell> no idea, katie is a mystery to me
[04:58] <Mez> lol - I've not had katie email since... september
[05:03] <teprrr> Riddell, found the author, he's gonna do some fixing.. :)
[05:05] <Riddell> teprrr: Makefile.am uses spaces on that troublesome line
[05:05] <Riddell> but make -f Makefile.cvs quits for me
[05:06] <teprrr> Riddell, doesn't use here.. :P
[05:06] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:08] <Mez> Riddell: looking throught the MOM merge for k3b
[05:09] <Mez> theres a couple of things in the diff.gz that modify files outside of debian/
[05:09] <Mez> should I put those in as patches?
[05:11] <Riddell> Mez: what are they?
[05:11] <Mez> changelog, configure, something I thought I'd added as a patch anyway, directBurn stuff,
[05:11] <Mez> actually
[05:12] <Mez> tehres a couple of things in there I thought I aded as patches
[05:13] <\sh> Mez: so debian is using diff.gz and not dpatch stuff...can we revert it, to be more closer to debian? (e.g. doing all patch management via bzr?)
[05:14] <Mez> \sh: dunno
[05:14] <Mez> and actually - there are a couple of things in there that debian have included that are from my patches
[05:14] <Mez> actually
[05:15] <Mez> all but one patch isnt included in debian
[05:15] <Mez> and thats a simple enough thing to put into the diff.gz
[05:15] <\sh> Mez: so the debian maintainer put everything directly in the debianized source...(what we have in dpatch files)..It would be a cool thing, to revert to debian packaging and remove the dpatch build-dep then...
[05:16] <teprrr> whee, got it :)
[05:16] <Riddell> hmm, I'd be tempted to keep everything in debian/patches
[05:16] <Riddell> stuff in .diff is just unmaintainable
[05:16] <\sh> Riddell: not when you use bzr :)
[05:16] <Mez> \sh: I totally agree with you - but i agree with Riddell too
[05:17] <\sh> Mez: we all know the problems :) for gajim I reverted all patch stuff to diff.gz and using now bzr repos like this one http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/packages/gajim/
[05:17] <\sh> Mez: so I pick my patches I need, and merge every release into those branches...works like a charm
[05:17] <\sh> and is somehow a manual HCT ;)
[05:18] <Mez> \sh: for gajim I was told that you and the debian were using diffrent rules - thy usedcdbs and you didnt want to
[05:19] <Mez> (lol - I sa someone talking about it in debian-mentors - asked if they'd been orking with you, and got this response
[05:19] <Mez> http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/packages/gajim/
[05:19] <teprrr> anyone wants to voluenteer to test the package? :)
[05:19] <Mez> grr
[05:20] <Mez> AFAIK, he doesn't want to use cdbs, I do. So ubuntu package is different from mine.
[05:20] <\sh> Mez: well, in the beginning Yann was using debhelper just like us...
[05:20] <\sh> Mez: and when I have time I will adjust to cdbs
[05:20] <Mez> fair ngouh
[05:20] <Mez> grr
[05:21] <Mez> my e key isnt working right
[05:21] <\sh> Mez: the problem is, that Yann (he not only debian maintainer for this package, but as well upstream) is sometimes a bit slow :)
[05:21] <Mez> ;)
[05:22] <\sh> Mez: but the patches are quite different (lp integration and changing other things sometimes) so it makes no difference to use cdbs or debhelper :)
[05:22] <Mez> fair enoguh
[05:23] <teprrr> http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30745 - http://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/temp/katesessionmenu_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb - could someone test and tell me if there's something wrong?
[05:23] <teprrr> 16kB download
[05:24] <Riddell> teprrr: I'd need the source
[05:24] <Riddell> teprrr: it should depend on kate
[05:25] <teprrr> ah, yes, indeed..
[05:26] <Riddell> W: katesessionmenu: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly
[05:26] <Riddell> W: katesessionmenu: extended-description-line-too-long
[05:26] <Riddell> W: katesessionmenu: wrong-bug-number-in-closes #XXXXXX
[05:26] <teprrr> oh, lintian would be great, I think :)
[05:26] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/28784
[05:26] <\sh> very interesting bug report :)
[05:26] <teprrr> I assume it checks for those?
[05:26] <\sh> bet, he is mixing packages
[05:26] <Riddell> teprrr: lintian checks for them
[05:46] <spstarr_work> teprrr: thanks, I'll try that tonight, I would have thought any new KIOslave would be added to the list of available protocols, i guess its not 'dynamic' like that.
[05:48] <teprrr> spstarr_work, np
[05:55] <teprrr> Riddell, hm. should I make it depend on kicker 3.5.0 too?
[05:55] <Riddell> teprrr: I guess so
[05:58] <teprrr> btw, why debian/rules binary needs root access like clean does. but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot works without root (as expected)..
[05:59] <teprrr> Riddell, about the source. you want the whole dir right?
[05:59] <Riddell> fakeroot means you don't need root
[06:00] <Riddell> teprrr: debuild -S  for source build
[06:00] <Riddell> will make .orig.tar.gz, .diff and .dsc (you have to make the .orig.tar.gz)
[06:01] <teprrr> yes I know fakeroot, but umh.. rules binary needs root for what? shouldn't it use fakeroot too.. :P
[06:07] <Riddell> no, you have to use it manually, same as you do for dpkg-buildpackage
[06:08] <teprrr> ookay, something still to be fixed..
[06:08] <teprrr> W: katesessionmenu source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
[06:08] <teprrr> W: katesessionmenu source: native-package-with-dash-version
[06:09] <Riddell> new speedcrunch out, who wants to package?
[06:09] <Riddell> teprrr: standards version should be 3.6.2 now
[06:09] <Riddell> teprrr: if it thinks it's a native package it's not finding the .orig.tar.gz
[06:09] <Riddell> teprrr: do you have a .orig?
[06:09] <teprrr> Riddell, oh. your example control.ex was using 3.6.1
[06:09] <Riddell> it's wrong then :)
[06:09] <teprrr> :)
[06:10] <teprrr> didn't know what that was for so left it there
[06:10] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan :)
[06:10] <teprrr> I have orig .tar.bz2 with different name..
[06:10] <Riddell> teprrr: it means the version of debian-policy that it follows
[06:11] <Riddell> teprrr: you need to rebuild the .tar.bz2 as katesessionmenu_0.1.orig.tar.gz
[06:11] <teprrr> ok, understood.
[06:11] <Riddell> pef: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/speedcrunch-0.7-beta1.tar.gz
[06:11] <Riddell> just incase you wanted to give it a shot :)
[06:12] <pef> Riddell: new upstream version to package ?
[06:12] <Riddell> yes
[06:12] <Riddell> uses qt 4
[06:12] <pef> will do it right now
[06:12] <Riddell> yay :)
[06:13] <pef> I use it very often
[06:13] <Riddell> he gave me an updated man page too http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/speedcrunch.1.docbook
[06:13] <pef> very usefull
[06:14] <teprrr> Riddell, I need to change the orig dir name to lowercase too?
[06:14] <Riddell> teprrr: I usually do
[06:14] <Riddell> but I think the tools are clever enough that you don't need, do whichever is less confusing for you
[06:15] <teprrr> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory admin/.svn
[06:16] <teprrr> hmm. I should've deleted that .svn dir, right? :)
[06:16] <Riddell> teprrr: remove that from the .orig
[06:21] <teprrr> hmm, I need to get gpg key?
[06:25] <Riddell> nah, just ignore the error
[06:25] <Riddell> teprrr: although you'll need a gpg key for uploading to revu and when you become a MOTU for uploading to the archives so do look into it when you have a moment
[06:26] <teprrr> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[06:26] <teprrr> debuild: fatal error at line 791:
[06:26] <teprrr> running debsign failed
[06:26] <teprrr> so this isn't a problem?
[06:26] <Riddell> nope, that means it's finished everything it has to do
[06:26] <Riddell> so it's a good error :)
[06:27] <teprrr> okay, thought it'll do something after that :)
[06:27] <teprrr> heh, so you want katesessionmenu_0.3-0ubuntu1.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz?
[06:28] <Riddell> hmm, should be katesessionmenu_0.3.orig.tar.gz
[06:28] <teprrr> mmh
[06:29] <teprrr> yes, indeed
[06:30] <Riddell> katesessionmenu_0.3-0ubuntu1.tar.gz is what it would be called if it was a native package (no .orig)
[06:31] <teprrr> http://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/kubuntu/katesessionmenu/
[06:31] <teprrr> yeah, realised it :)
[06:39] <teprrr> something done wrong in there?
[06:48] <Riddell> teprrr: compat and debhelper is now set to 5 (another recent change)
[06:49] <Riddell> teprrr: licence in source is GPL 2 /or later/, that should be said so in debian/copyright
[06:49] <Riddell> and linked to GPL not GPL-2
[06:50] <pef> Riddell: is sailcut FTBFS or have I a problem with my chroot ?
[06:50] <teprrr> oh, okay.. will take a look in a few hours.. gotta go now
[06:50] <Riddell> pef: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/sailcut/1.2.0-2ubuntu1/  successful
[06:50] <Riddell> just ia64 being weird as usual
[06:51] <Riddell> sailcutqt.cpp: In static member function 'static QString CSailApp::findHandbook(QString)':
[06:51] <Riddell> sailcutqt.cpp:70: error: ambiguous overload for 'operator+' in '"html" + QDir::separator()'
[06:51] <Riddell> hmm, strange
[06:52] <Riddell> needs a cast somewhere presumably but strange that only ia64 is affected
[07:22] <pef> Riddell: have you an idea why debhelper may delete defines parameters passed to gcc ?
[07:23] <pef> Riddell: running make by hand gives me -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_QT3SUPPORT_LIB -DQT3_SUPPORT -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED
[07:23] <pef> using debuild I no longer have thoses, resulting in compilation failing
[07:25] <\sh> pef: cflags override?
[07:25] <pef> \sh: I think so, but seems to be made in debhelper backroom
[07:25] <pef> nothing visible in debian layout
[07:25] <\sh> pef: which package?
[07:25] <pef> Good, your configure finished.  Now run /usr/bin/make.
[07:25] <pef> make -C . CFLAGS="-g -Wall -O2" CXXFLAGS="-g -Wall -O2"  all
[07:25] <pef> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/speedcrunch-0.7-beta1.tar.gz
[07:26] <pef> I'm just upgrading the package to this new upstream release
[07:27] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:27] <\sh> lets see
[07:33] <pef> \sh: I've found http://they.com/doc/cdbs/cdbs.html (see bottom)
[07:33] <\sh> pef: that's what I thought :)
[07:34] <pef> :D
[07:34] <pef> this works
[07:34] <pef> a little bit ugly, isn't it ?
[07:35] <\sh> pef: what about CFLAGS := "-D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_QT3SUPPORT_LIB -DQT3_SUPPORT -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED"
[07:36] <\sh> or whatever cdbs call is for CFLAGS :)
[07:36] <pef> \sh: I presume hard coding something like this may be harmfull on another arches, isn't it ?
[07:37] <\sh> pef: there is no problem when it would use autotools....but it uses "qmake" or something?
[07:37] <pef> \sh: qmake
[07:38] <\sh> but why it overrides this..it should append the cdbs stuff to cflags
[07:39] <pef> grep-available -s Package  libqt4
[07:39] <pef> Package: sailcut
[07:39] <pef> \sh: i think I will copy sailcut's rules file :)
[07:40] <pef> and adapt it, of course
[07:40] <pef> or maybe it's an problem in upstream sources
[07:40] <\sh> Riddell: I just forgot to say "Thank You For The Kubuntu CDs" (and the nice message on your business card :))
[07:43] <\sh> pef: I would say upstyream
[07:43] <pef> \sh: yeah, if cdbs docs says it's upstream bug, they are certainly right
[07:57] <pef> \sh_away: yes, but uvf is thursday :/
[08:01] <pef> yeah, found a solution :)
[08:01] <pef> \sh_away: DEB_MAKE_INVOKE := $(MAKE) does the trick :)
[08:01] <pef> trick used in Debian qt4-x11 package
[08:36] <allee> feel free to comment on codeine: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1525  have a look at debian/TODO for stuff I'm working on now ...
[08:41] <Riddell> allee: how is digikam?
[08:43] <Riddell> allee: doesn't need to build-dep on python, scons brings that in
[08:44] <Riddell> allee: "with a different philosophy" isn't very useful, I'd put "designed to be as simple as possible" there and put the different philosophy stuff in the long description
[08:44] <allee> Riddell: toma feels today like only adding curses to every sentence :(
[08:45] <allee> Riddell: I'll try to catch jokele later ...
[08:46] <Riddell> allee: compat 5?
[08:47] <allee> Riddell: when noone does I would suggest to upload.  _If_ tarball will change (noone found something worht it yet) we could as a last resort add it as a patch and mention it in changelog
[08:47] <Riddell> kubuntu_01_fix_desktop_file.patch  doesn't actually fix anything, just makes it a bit more french :)
[08:47] <allee> Riddell: seen it.  It's even not applied ;)
[08:48] <allee> Riddell: I plan to copy from kmplayer all genericname translation. Both use 'Media Player'
[08:57] <pef> Riddell: I will upload speedcrunch tomorow 6pm, currently y have docbook2x-man issue and have to leave
[08:58] <pef> I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd
[08:58] <pef> Riddell: if you have an idea:
[08:59] <Riddell> pef: we might have to hold off on speedcrunch, people don't want qt4 in main for dapper
[08:59] <Riddell> or rename it to speedcrunch-qt4
[08:59] <Riddell> which is a shame
[09:00] <crimsun> I guess I'd better merge qt4-x11_4.1.0-2ubuntu1, then
[09:01] <Riddell> hmm, since when did we alter qt4?
[09:01] <pef> Riddell: sailcut seems to depends on libqt4
[09:01] <crimsun> b-ds afaik
[09:01] <pef> and is already on Dapper
[09:02] <Riddell> pef: but not in main
[09:03] <pef> oh I see :/
[09:03] <pef> arg, I have to go
[09:03] <pef> bye !
[09:04] <Riddell> crimsun: so it is.  would you be able to do the merge then?
[09:04] <crimsun> Riddell: yep, just checking if it can be synced first (b-d, asking siretart)
[09:04] <Riddell> thanks
[09:06] <allee> back
[09:06] <allee> Riddell: thx, suggestion make lot of sense.  Adding ..
[09:08] <Riddell> allee: builds (apart from patch) and runs fine
[09:10] <allee> Riddell: good, same here.
[09:12] <sebas> Riddell: The big box arrived.
[09:12] <Riddell> sebas: awooga
[09:12] <allee> Mez: fwiw: katapult writes lots of stuff ot stdout
[09:12] <sebas> Now I'd be able to instal 550 machines at once. ;-)
[09:41] <allee> sebas: with which software tool?
[09:48] <teprrr> Riddell, looks like debhelper depend is set by cdbs.. changed compat to 5. but how's this license thing? COPYING mentions version 2 only
[09:48] <crimsun> teprrr: 2 of GPL
[09:49] <teprrr> crimsun, yep
[09:49] <crimsun> err, I'm lacking context.
[09:49] <crimsun> is there some confusion between compat==5 and GPL v2?
[09:50] <teprrr> crimsun, nope. I just tried to make my first package and Riddell was helping me with this :)
[09:50] <teprrr> btw, what's this compat file used actually?
[09:52] <crimsun> teprrr: it's used to tell debhelper what it can['t]  do
[09:53] <teprrr> okay
[09:54] <crimsun> each number denotes a significant set of changes
[09:55] <crimsun> for instance, v5 introduces the ignoring of comments in debhelper files and changes to the semantics of dh_strip, for instance
[09:55] <crimsun> apparently I'm in redundant mode today
[09:55] <teprrr> heh, okay, so that's not really my business atm :)
[09:56] <teprrr> would you like to check if there's something wrong in this package?
[09:56] <crimsun> I have a few minutes, sure
[09:56] <teprrr> [19:41:06]  < Riddell> teprrr: licence in source is GPL 2 /or later/, that should be said so in debian/copyright
[09:56] <teprrr> [19:41:11]  < Riddell> and linked to GPL not GPL-2
[09:57] <teprrr> btw, why the link should point to GPL instead of GPL-2?
[09:57] <teprrr> if it's v2 or later
[09:57] <crimsun> because GPL-2 is too constraining
[09:57] <crimsun> the GPL symlink will point to GPL-2, but it's not limited to GPL-2
[09:58] <crimsun> (i.e., you can change the GPL symlink, but you can't change GPL-2)
[09:58] <teprrr> ah yes, got it :)
[10:02] <teprrr> http://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/kubuntu/katesessionmenu/ -- okay, they're there now
[10:03] <teprrr> hmm, pot file isn't created..
[10:03] <crimsun> something's odd.
[10:03] <crimsun> that diff is huge
[10:04] <teprrr> well, it contains Makefile.in's created by make which weren't in the source package
[10:05] <crimsun> ah, you're using DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL. No wonder.
[10:05] <teprrr> oh, it shouldn't be used?
[10:06] <crimsun> well, do you have a specific reason for using it?
[10:06] <crimsun> you /can/ use it, but some people consider it dangerous
[10:07] <crimsun> don't b-d on build-essential
[10:07] <crimsun> ack, that's added by cdbs
[10:07] <teprrr> oh, and it has diff for configure too
[10:07] <crimsun> personally I'd drop DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL and explicitly use the b-ds
[10:08] <teprrr> 1020K   configure
[10:08] <teprrr> that ain't small either
[10:08] <crimsun> it's a much better idea to patch .ac or .in as necessary, then invoke autoreconf in debian/rules
[10:08] <crimsun> there's a cdbs hook for it
[10:08] <teprrr> oh, got that line from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[10:09] <teprrr> or invoke make -f Makefile.cvs from rules?
[10:10] <crimsun> you shouldn't have to
[10:11] <crimsun> you have automake and autoconf templates in the, so unless you patch them, you don't need the .ins.
[10:11] <crimsun> in the orig tarball
[10:11] <teprrr> hmmm
[10:12] <crimsun> ok, you guys have a different set of rules for KDE cvs
[10:13] <teprrr> so what should I do? :)
[10:14] <teprrr> kde cvs has its own build system hack, yes
[10:14] <crimsun> work within kde cvs's
[10:14] <crimsun> but yes, call make -f Makefile.cvs from within debian/rules
[10:14] <crimsun> probably need a hook for cdbs
[10:15] <crimsun> that will save you having .ins and configure inside the diff
[10:22] <teprrr> hmm, how should I clean up the directory after binary package building? as it now creates those .ins and configure they're diffed against the original
[10:24] <teprrr> get a tarball and extract it always after having build binary?
[10:53] <allee> teprrr: DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL is discuraged in debian!  When you don't use it.  Is there still a need update .am or .in?
[10:55] <teprrr> allee, hmm, what do you mean?
[10:56] <allee> teprrr: let me try other way round.  why do you need more that just include debhelper.mk and kde.mk?
[10:57] <allee> + in rules
[10:57] <teprrr> allee, there is no Makefile.ins nor configure script in orig package
[10:58] <allee> teprrr: oh!
[10:59] <teprrr> the author said it'd increase the size of the source package too much :P
[10:59] <allee> teprrr: well first, mail upstream.  Maybe you are lucky and he run make -f Makefile.cvs and releases a new tarball
[10:59] <allee> teprrr: oh!
[10:59] <teprrr> though maybe I could encourage him to do it somehow.. :p
[11:00] <teprrr> makebuilddir/::
[11:00] <teprrr>         make -f Makefile.cvs
[11:00] <allee> teprrr: that would be best!  He should not burden trouble on his users!
[11:01] <allee> teprrr: hmm, wasn't there a dist-clean or svn-clean cvs-clean rules?
[11:02] <teprrr> well, the package should be built in fakeroot, though I still see the configure script and some others which shouldn't be done
[11:02] <allee> teprrr: if you find mothing handy.  have a look at the diff and add find . -name ... | xargs rm -f  to it until everything generated is gone
[11:02] <teprrr> but there's no Makefile at all
[11:03] <allee> after you run Makefile.cvs and configure there are Makefile.  So they are available in clean:: is running
[11:03] <teprrr> oh, I should add it to rules, yes.
[11:03] <teprrr> but I'll try to talk to the author first
[11:04] <allee> teprrr: that's a good idea.  I he want's to save size he should switch to scons
[11:06] <allee> teprrr: don't tell him about scons.  The switch to scons takes time. Tell him after he released the updates tarball ;) Heh,heh
[11:07] <teprrr> well, this thing will be prolly in kde4, so it'll use scons in the future :)
[11:07] <teprrr> but for now, I don't think he will do the change just for this one :)
[11:09] <allee> teprrr: okay so you have to stick with make -f Makefile.cvs and find+rm,  crazy
[11:11] <allee> teprrr: mhmm, there also the possibility that you run make -f Makefile.cvs once by hand.  Diff the tree. and put this all into a single diff that gets applied with simple-patchsys.mk
[11:11] <allee> teprrr: don't be afraid about the size.  Its just tarball smaller and diff bigger.
[11:12] <allee> teprrr: when next release add .in etc you just have to remove the diff
[11:12] <teprrr> well, but isn't it better if I can get the author to run make -f Makefile? :)
[11:12] <allee> done
[11:13] <teprrr> as I'm not in hurry here.. he's just been away for a ten minutes or so now :P
[11:13] <allee> yes, force and kick him hard.
[11:13] <OpsVentus> Right now I'm using Qt3 for GUI (in combination with c++) but now I'm thinking about updating to Qt4 but this is a large change, so I want to check if Qt4 is the way to go or if there's a bettercross-platform(mainl y KDE/GNOME/Windows/OSX) toolkit for small programs?
[11:13] <allee> teperr: the diff is just a simple quick workaround
[11:14] <allee> teperr: no weird clean: rule no blowed build depends. No waste of cpu cycles for Makefile.cvs run
[11:14] <teprrr> I'd prefer qt4, but sure there's wxwidgets at least too..
[11:14] <teprrr> it uses gtk on *nix
[11:15] <teprrr> qt4 memory print has been decreased from qt3 too
[11:15] <OpsVentus> anything Qt4 can't do what other programs can?
[11:16] <teprrr> and you can create non-gui programs with it now without linking against gui stuff
[11:16] <OpsVentus> I mean toolkits
[11:16] <teprrr> no idea, I don't think so. but it's gpl licensed
[11:16] <teprrr> I haven't coded with anything else but qt :)
[11:17] <OpsVentus> yeah, that's why I wanted to update to 4, but the reason I started with qt was beacause it's easy but now with 4 you have to write your own project-files and more
[11:17] <OpsVentus> but that's ok, got enough xp now
[11:18] <OpsVentus> and, how do's it look on GNOME and KDE in comparison with other toolkits?
[11:18] <teprrr> own project-files? hmm..
[11:19] <teprrr> well, qt4 isn't much used yet.. kde is undergoing porting atm
[11:20] <OpsVentus> I mean Qt3 writes the .pro-file's for you and with Qt4 you have to write it yourself
[11:20] <OpsVentus> yeah, it's still not in apt-get so I just downloaded from trolltech
[11:21] <teprrr> well, in dapper there's qt4 in repositories
[11:24] <teprrr> well, at least qt4's documentation says you can still use qmake -project to create the .pro file
[11:24] <teprrr> but I don't know.. haven't used qt project stuff actually at all
[11:24] <teprrr> but sleeping time, nights
[11:31] <OpsVentus> ok, I'm going for Qt4 then
[11:32] <OpsVentus> next question: I wrote a Sudoku game, any intressed to include this in (K)Ubuntu?
[11:36] <allee> OpsVentus: add it to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[11:37] <OpsVentus> Well I'm asking the people at ubuntu-motu first(don't want to open wiki if there's no intresse)


[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[09:00] <guardian> morning
[15:06] <jouston> patm: Hello
[15:06] <patm> hello
[18:58] <mofisto> is it possible to run ubuntu on a windows mobile pocketpc?
[19:09] <smagoun> mofisto: not right now. PocketPC use an ARM processor, while Ubuntu Mobile is concentrating on devices with i386 processors. There's more info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[19:14] <mofisto> thx
[19:17] <agoliveira> Hmmm... can't connect to the internal irc server anylonger...
[19:33] <patm> rob, question about alpha2 graphics drivers
[19:35] <patm> robr2, ping


[02:15] <Noskcaj> knome: so you know, i've added the testing team and bug squad to the magazine article http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-articles-xubuntucommunity would you mind proofreading it?
[02:19] <Noskcaj> can someone running the default themes add some screenshots to the magazine articles?
[06:56] <Noskcaj> is it just me or is the login manager getting worse?
[13:59] <ochosi> skellat, knome: any news on bug #1158431 ?
[14:38] <GridCube> what testings are missing?
[19:56] <pleia2> Noskcaj: should check the archives if you're having trouble reading messages
[19:56] <Noskcaj> pleia2, is there a link?
[19:56] <pleia2> on the bottom of every message
[19:57] <pleia2> devel mailing list main page has a link to the archives
[19:57] <pleia2> (same with ubuntu-quality)
[19:59] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks
[20:06] <Noskcaj> is there anything people want me to do for the magazine articles? i'm going to be away for a few days
[20:08] <pleia2> Noskcaj: can you explain which screenshots you wanted in your article?
[20:08] <pleia2> also some kind of conclusion to wrap up the article would be nice :)
[20:08] <Noskcaj> pleia2, all i can think of is one of the testdrive main screen and maybe one of the iso tracker.
[20:09] <pleia2> we're going to remove testdrive from these instructions
[20:09] <Noskcaj> ok, why?
[20:09]  * pleia2 gets the logs
[20:09] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/09/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t20:42
[20:10] <pleia2> (we tried to get your attention, but I guess you weren't around :))
[20:11] <Noskcaj> i see, i had just turned my PC off.
[20:16] <Noskcaj> it's a shame we''re removing testdrive, it's the most complete testing program, but you have a point
[20:17] <pleia2> it's really quite different from the other two tools, so we'd need to write two different sets of instructions which gets overwhelming
[20:19] <Noskcaj> yeah, i agree
[20:19] <Noskcaj> and testdrive is so buggy it hurts
[20:23] <Noskcaj> knome, use https://trello.com/board/autopilot-tests/50e735ad7351f0a64e00040c for autopilot things
[20:23] <Noskcaj> i recommend you make a leafpad testcase an an Xchat testcase first
[20:24] <knome> Noskcaj, i appreciate that somebody is organizing that, but as i wrote in the mail, i think we need to cooperate the xubuntu efforts on the wiki first
[20:24] <Noskcaj> yeah, possibly
[20:24] <knome> Noskcaj, i'd imagine that trello board is not for planning and discussion, looks like it's more for gathering together all things
[20:25] <knome> my point is that we don't even know how we can benefit from any automated testing.
[20:25] <pleia2> knome: added first draft of my article, need to tidy it up
[20:26] <Noskcaj> knome, ask balloons. but mostly because it speeds up testing so much, especially the post-install tests. which could really benfit from it
[20:26] <knome> Noskcaj, i have general knowledge on automated testing, but i don't know where and how we can make it actually beneficial
[20:27] <knome> pleia2, right, i'll need to see that
[20:27] <knome> pleia2, how's your saturday?
[20:27] <Noskcaj> knome, mostly the post install tests, which are very tedious.
[20:28] <pleia2> knome: I can wake up at 1400 if needed, but the rest of my weekend is stupid busy
[20:28] <knome> 14UTC?
[20:28] <pleia2> yeah
[20:29] <knome> okay...
[20:29] <knome> i'm not sure if that works for me. a late night would be better
[20:29] <pleia2> I'm out the rest of the day
[20:29] <knome> (i *might* be around at that time as well, but... meh)
[20:29] <knome> do you leave on monday or sunday to the conference?
[20:29] <pleia2> monday
[20:30] <knome> okay
[20:30] <pleia2> before the sun comes up
[20:30] <knome> heh
[20:30] <pleia2> Sunday is my clean home + pack for conference + more wedding stuff
[20:30] <pleia2> so really no time there :(
[20:30] <knome> yeah. i was wondering if we will have any time to work on the articles together
[20:30] <knome> today?
[20:31] <pleia2> yeah, I'll try today
[20:31] <pleia2> have work for the next 3.5 hours
[20:31] <knome> i can basically be around at any time, if it's something that'll allow me to sleep
[20:32] <knome> that's probably pushing it... but i could look around the articles during that time and then try to stay up some time just to coordinate the rest with you
[20:33] <pleia2> ok, you want to look through (can leave notes for me), then I look through tonight, then tomorrow we try to do finishing touches?
[20:33] <knome> gah, is the wiki playing on me again
[20:33] <knome> yep, that sounds like the most feasible plan
[20:34] <knome> i'll try to gather a todo-list *at least*
[20:34] <knome> my neck still hurts really bad, so i'll have to keep breaks and stuff.
[20:37] <knome> who's light blue on the community artile?
[20:37] <knome> *article
[20:37] <knome> we should've told people to leave a comment in the chat to identify them
[20:37] <pleia2> I think it was Noskcaj
[20:37] <knome> do we want to keep the "if" -thing going?
[20:38] <pleia2> I think it's fine
[20:39] <pleia2> those sections do need to be xubuntu-ized
[20:39] <knome> in that case i'd change the sections before as well
[20:39] <knome> all the sentences start with "if" there ;)
[20:40] <knome> yeah.
[20:40] <knome> who enjoys "finding bugs" :)
[20:41] <pleia2> hehe
[20:41] <knome> that's just a weird way to step into the section
[20:43] <knome> i'm thinking about the article scope
[20:43] <knome> do we want to describe the actual steps to get involved (like in testing and bug triage), or just give the reader an idea how they could help (like the previous ones)
[20:44] <pleia2> ah, good point
[20:44] <knome> because that's prone to change too
[20:44] <knome> daily build -> too technical :)
[20:45] <pleia2> yeah, dropping it entirely is fine
[20:45] <knome> i'll look if there's something i can mention
[20:45] <pleia2> plus this applies to stable too, where an SRU may be needed (unrelated to daily builds)
[20:45] <knome> yup
[20:50] <knome> the pad's lagging
[20:51] <pleia2> looks like you fell off
[20:51] <knome> i fell off like 5 times
[20:51] <pleia2> I'm not editing so if you want to do some offline for a bit and copy it in later that's fine
[20:52] <knome> if the pad continues playing with me, i'll do that
[20:52] <pleia2> really, if we want to mvoe them all to google docs at this point that's ok
[20:52] <knome> does gdocs show character counts?
[20:52] <pleia2> then we have an easy export to do to get them to Sonny anyway
[20:52] <pleia2> pretty sure, if not you can download as .odt anyway
[20:52] <knome> yeah.
[20:52]  * pleia2 checks
[20:52]  * knome breaths deeply
[20:52] <knome> i hate the pad
[20:53] <pleia2> does word count
[20:53] <knome> it's dis/reconnecting me every 10 secs
[20:53] <pleia2> oh, include characters
[20:53] <knome> good
[20:53] <knome> let's do that
[20:53] <pleia2> so yeah, move everything to docs and invite<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to edit plz
[20:53] <knome> meh!
[20:53] <knome> :)
[20:53] <knome> i will
[20:53] <knome> once i get my head around how to do that
[20:53]  * pleia2 voluntells knome
[20:53] <knome> and get a few hits at the pad
[20:54] <knome> lol
[20:54] <knome> so docs.google.com is really "gods.com"
[20:54]  * knome has horrible typing again
[20:54] <knome> gdocs says "Sorry, there was an error performing this operation."
[20:55] <knome> ...what operation?
[20:55] <knome> i just logged in.
[20:56] <knome> you should be shared a folder in my gdrive now
[20:56] <pleia2> \o/
[20:56] <knome> great!
[20:58] <knome> how can i see if you're on?
[20:58]  * pleia2 opens a doc
[20:59] <knome> ah, great
[20:59] <knome> you have opened the document!
[20:59] <pleia2> :)
[20:59] <pleia2> going out to run a couple errands (need some fresh air)
[20:59] <knome> ok, hf
[20:59] <knome> (i need some fresh air too...)
[21:35] <knome> pleia2, i reviewed and revised the community article
[21:36] <knome> pleia2, moving the other articles to gdocs now as well
[21:37] <pleia2> knome: wanna delete content in etherpad and just leave a "thanks for your article, it's being sent to the editor!" note?
[21:37] <pleia2> just in case anyone tries to edit more
[21:37] <knome> yeah, i'll do that once i've done moving each
[21:38] <knome> the themes article needs p-a-r-a-g-r-a-p-h-s :)
[21:50] <Pwnna> so..
[21:51] <Pwnna> i noticed the the development for xubuntu is somewhat stalling
[21:51] <Pwnna> I'm a developer and I use Xubuntu on a daily basis
[21:51] <knome> it's not, ubuntu just has most of the freezes right now and there's not much we can do
[21:51] <Pwnna> so i want to contribute. However I mainly work with the web and stuff. not sure how to start
[21:51] <Pwnna> oh is it?
[21:52] <pleia2> yeah, release is just 2 weeks away :)
[21:52] <pleia2> so only major bug fixes are going on right now
[21:52] <knome> Pwnna, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/  is a good starting point.
[21:52] <knome> talking to me and pleia2 isn't bad either.
[21:52] <Pwnna> i'm upgrading my netbook to 13.04. i think i have a security issue..
[21:52] <knome> (i'm the project lead, pleia2 is the website/marketing lead)
[21:52] <Pwnna> yeah i know
[21:52] <Unit193> (At least it didn't freeze as long as wheezy has been in for)
[21:52] <Pwnna> i saw :)
[21:52] <knome> Pwnna, have you filed a bug?
[21:52] <Pwnna> not yet. my main dev machine is on LTS
[21:53] <knome> ok, please do as soon as you can so people can start working on it
[21:53] <Pwnna> i'm upgrading to beta2
[21:53] <Pwnna> and i'll see if the bug is still present
[21:53] <Pwnna> it's not a critical security issue imo
[21:54] <pleia2> Pwnna: as far as web stuff goes, if you find something that needs fixing/updating/whatever on the website we have bugs for that too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website - once you submit a bug you can also follow up with it with ideas on how to fix (we like when people volunteer to help after noticing an issue!)
[21:54] <Pwnna> pleia2: i'm more interested in doing dev for the desktop! get away from what i do regularly :P
[21:54] <pleia2> Pwnna: ah ok :)
[21:54] <pleia2> Pwnna: might consider contributing directly to Xfce too, since that's where we get our whole environment from
[21:54] <knome> Pwnna, just a note that i'm doing a website redesign right now, so things can be more or less out of place ;)
[21:55] <pleia2> we do themes and such, but the Xfce folks handle major desktop stuff
[21:55] <Pwnna> so if anyone wants to reproduce the bug before I can: in your user session click switch user. Then switch to a different user (I used guest), then click CTRL + ALT + F7. *No* password prompt needed to get back into your account
[21:55] <Pwnna> hm
[21:55] <Pwnna> what does the xubuntu people actually do?
[21:55] <knome> drink beer
[21:55]  * knome hides
[21:55] <Pwnna> lol
[21:56] <pleia2> the contribute page that knome linked gives an overview :)
[21:56] <Unit193> I drink coffee, eat cookies, and randomly try to fix the docs or if something else is out of place.
[21:56] <knome> Pwnna, on a more serious tone, we usually just "stitch" several things together and make sure they work smoothly
[21:56] <pleia2> packaging, testing, bug reporting+fixing, theme design stuff, marketing
[21:56] <Pwnna> i see
[21:56] <Pwnna> hm
[21:57] <knome> Pwnna, now and then we have some projects to create some completely new features as well, though they usually end up upstream ;)
[21:57] <knome> (which is the point too...)
[21:57] <Pwnna> heh awesome
[21:57] <Pwnna> but yeah. that bug is somewhat serious? idk..
[21:57] <Unit193> Display dialog and gtk theme editor, for two examples.
[21:57] <Pwnna> still waiting for my updater.
[21:57] <Pwnna> not sure if that's an upstream issue, however.
[21:57] <Pwnna> xubuntu needs stickers!
[21:57] <Pwnna> :P
[21:58] <knome> we have stickers!
[21:58] <knome> you can order them from moo.com!
[21:59] <Pwnna> where?
[21:59] <Pwnna> o.O
[21:59] <knome> hmm, we didn't publish that page on our website yet
[21:59] <knome> just a second
[21:59] <Pwnna> the github octocat stickers are tempting too. they're outta stock, however
[21:59] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products#Stickers
[22:00] <Pwnna> aww but no one other than those that uses xubuntu know what that logo means :P
[22:02] <knome> it's a good conversation opener.
[22:02] <Pwnna> lol
[22:03] <Unit193> "Why do you have a (rat|bunny) on your laptop?"
[22:03] <Pwnna> iunno. i'm gonna be sticking a tonne of octocats..
[22:03] <Pwnna> so..
[22:03] <knome> no one knows what they mean either
[22:03] <Pwnna> i ripped off my win7 sticker
[22:03] <Pwnna> it needs a replacement ;)
[22:04] <Pwnna> knome: well but they look weird and more prominent than a ratbunny ;)
[22:04] <knome> we have case badges under work.
[22:04] <Pwnna> all the xubuntu swag. heh
[22:04] <knome> we even did a first printing
[22:04] <knome> where are you from? canada?
[22:04] <Pwnna> :o
[22:04] <Pwnna> yup
[22:04] <Pwnna> yay unmasked host
[22:05] <knome> if you are nice for pleia2, she might send you one or two.
[22:05] <Pwnna> :o
[22:05] <knome> i have them as well, but i live across the pond
[22:05] <pleia2> yeah, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with your postal address and I'll send some over
[22:05] <Pwnna> heh.
[22:05] <Pwnna> i'm gonna be moving soon..ish
[22:06] <Pwnna> so idk if i can accept mail at this point
[22:06] <pleia2> ah well, whenever :)
[22:06] <Pwnna> though i do have like 16 days.. hmm
[22:06] <pleia2> I tend to order more when I run out, so I usually have a supply of them
[22:06] <knome> pleia2's going to be all across the world in the following month, so be quick!
[22:06] <knome> (disclaimer: in one piece and in one place at a time)
[22:07] <pleia2> just east, then south a bit :)
[22:07] <bluesabre> just one?
[22:07] <pleia2> sticking with this continent afterall
[22:07] <knome> yeah, not in ghana, then US, then denmark, then US... like the last time.
[22:07] <pleia2> hehe
[22:07] <Pwnna> me too!
[22:07] <pleia2> that was a tiring month
[22:08] <knome> bluesabre, yes. i think it's better for us if pleia2 stays in one piece
[22:08] <bluesabre> ah
[22:08] <knome> bluesabre, actually, she's going to be two-in-one soon!
[22:08] <bluesabre> yeah, that would be useful, unless she can do twice as much as two parts?
[22:08] <Unit193> Can't do twice as much with twice as many pleia2s?
[22:08] <bluesabre> :D
[22:08] <pleia2> well next week I go to Portland, then Philly, then Mexico
[22:08] <knome> (and that's not in a kinky way, just how many people conceptualize marriage)
[22:08] <pleia2> portland is north I guess
[22:09] <Pwnna> pleia2: hmm i definitely have enough time! hopefully :) email'ed
[22:09] <knome> Unit193, i guess she hasn't got the ability to actually split into two different pieces which are both similar to what she's now... otherwise i might need to have one here.
[22:10] <Unit193> Silly birds/bats in the chimney again...
[22:11] <lderan> darn them
[22:13] <knome> pleia2, all articles moved over to gdocs
[22:14] <Pwnna> gdocs!
[22:14] <knome> yes?
[22:14] <Pwnna> the inability to do more complicated headers/footers, as well as just the general lack of features really.. >_>
[22:14] <knome> it's like heave compared to a laggy etherpad.
[22:14] <knome> heaven too
[22:15] <knome> and we don't really need complicated stuff
[22:15] <Pwnna> yeah i know
[22:15] <Pwnna> i use it a lot now..
[22:15] <knome> and it's just temporary anyway
[22:15] <Pwnna> there really needs to be an alternative to it..
[22:15] <Unit193> There is skydrive. :P
[22:15] <Pwnna> .....
[22:15] <Pwnna> ._.
[22:16] <lderan> it works...kind of
[22:16]  * Pwnna is a microsoft-free user! :D
[22:16] <knome> i'm not...kind of
[22:16] <Pwnna> lol
[22:16] <knome> i stil need to run windows under virtualbox, but i don't have a native installation anywhere
[22:17] <lderan> i have to use their stuff at work, there is no escape for me
[22:17] <knome> i try to avoid it, but i have some rare clients who need some windows-consulting
[22:17] <knome> it was nice to see how windows 8 was... until i needed to configure it
[22:18] <Unit193> Tax software...  Anyway, Libreoffice did have some weird document CVS type thing in 4.0+, don't know how to use it though.
[22:18] <pleia2> I have to do some corporate stuff on windows, but not much or often
[22:18] <knome> anyway, this starts going offtopic, so let's continue on #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:18] <Pwnna> oh yeah me too. i guess
[22:18] <Pwnna> autocad grr
[22:19]  * lderan goes back to setting up a moinmoin wiki for testing
[22:23] <knome> pleia2, i worked some more on the testing article. i think it's much better now, but it also lacks around 1800 chars.
[22:24] <knome> pleia2, there is still things to extend though
[22:24] <knome> pleia2, i'm wondering if we should go through setting up a vbox installation as well. it's not too long, and it would be quite useful
[22:30] <bluesabre> ooh
[22:30] <bluesabre> I think I managed to upload a new catfish to the catfish-stable ppa
[22:30] <knome> ooh what? you want to help?
[22:30] <knome> oh damnit.
[22:30] <bluesabre> we'll find out if it builds
[22:30] <knome> ;)
[22:31]  * bluesabre wonders if one successful package is enough for me to get upload rights
[22:31] <knome> haha
[22:31] <knome> probably not, but it's a good start
[22:31] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:31] <bluesabre> if it does work, I might be able to get you to talk to scott to upload it to raring
[22:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: pdebuilder can help there, one of the worst issues I hit with upload was I had entered "unstable" for dist. :P
[22:32] <bluesabre> nice
[22:32] <knome> i'd imagine a few succeful uploads would warrant you to get the upload permissions to xubuntu packages, if we set up team delegation
[22:32] <knome> bluesabre, rather just make a general query for sponsorship
[22:33] <knome> poking (too) busy people with our errands is not what i want to do every day :)
[22:34] <knome> (philosophically thinking, i don't know if there is any single thing i want to do every day)
[22:34] <Unit193> Eat.
[22:34] <bluesabre> Go to the moon?
[22:34] <bluesabre> and get paid for it
[22:35] <knome> yeah. but sometimes it just feels like it's a mandatory thing you have to perform
[22:35] <knome> i assume that would be physically exhausting thing to do every day...
[22:35] <knome> ...and we're going offtopic again :)
[22:35] <bluesabre> :D
[22:35] <bluesabre> This always happens when I am around ;)
[22:35] <knome> nah, it's one of the things that tell you you've done enough FOSS work for the day
[22:38] <lderan> good to know :P
[22:38] <bluesabre> woo!  Hedgewars update!
[22:38] <knome> bluesabre, HA!
[22:38] <bluesabre> Good to know these things are still getting updates after all the freezes are over
[22:38] <knome> oh.
[22:38] <knome> duh.
[22:38] <knome> :)
[22:38] <bluesabre> its important, for sure
[22:39] <knome> very.
[22:39] <knome> but if it's non-seeded...
[22:39] <knome> then it should have no problems getting in if it's just bug fixes
[22:40] <bluesabre> we should consider adding it as part of the xubuntu seed
[22:40] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:41] <knome> hah
[22:41]  * bluesabre hides from incoming slap
[22:41] <knome> inkscape first.
[22:41] <knome> nah
[22:41] <knome> my neck/back hurts so no slapping for me
[22:42] <bluesabre> wow, launchpad never gets my packages in the build queue for just 15 minutes
[22:42] <bluesabre> this is amazing
[22:46] <lderan> \o/
[22:46]  * knome tickles lderan from the armpit
[22:47]  * lderan flails a bit
[23:11] <bluesabre> wooo!
[23:11] <bluesabre> it worked
[23:12] <bluesabre> it built and the previous packaging issues are fixed
[23:12] <knome> :)
[23:13] <lderan> yay
[23:32] <Pwnna> login screen: password text and the hostname text is white..
[23:32] <Pwnna> hard to see
[23:33] <bluesabre> yeah, known bug, we need an uploader to get the latest version of our theme before we can "fix" that
[23:34] <Pwnna> ok
[23:34] <bluesabre> knome, I vote for you
[23:35] <knome> bluesabre, you can't.
[23:35] <bluesabre> to continue being XPL
[23:35] <knome> bluesabre, yet.
[23:35] <Pwnna> i feel like my sensors output is wrong for this netbook o.o
[23:35] <bluesabre> I know
[23:35] <Pwnna> uh. wrong windo
[23:35] <bluesabre> But I will
[23:35] <knome> :)
[23:35] <knome> thanks
[23:35] <bluesabre> Unless I am missing from the internet that day
[23:35] <knome> if you wish to, you can leave some supporting words in my wikipage
[23:35] <knome> i just noticed i went 1000 chars over my limit!
[23:36] <bluesabre> :O
[23:36] <lderan> oh no!
[23:37] <knome> well i'm just cutting down the crap i put in there
[23:37] <knome> i mean, the extra characters
[23:37] <pleia2> knome: remember, we're not doing screenshots everywhere
[23:37] <pleia2> so we may need more words in some articles
[23:37] <pleia2> also - should we use the picture from UDS in our community article?
[23:37] <lderan> knome, i've got the #startmeeting to be case insensitive because i stumbled across it :P
[23:38] <knome> lderan, hehe
[23:38] <knome> pleia2, mmh.
[23:38] <knome> pleia2, see the community article
[23:39] <knome> pleia2, it's 4998 chars.. without spaces
[23:39] <knome> OOPS!
[23:39] <knome> :)
[23:39]  * pleia2 shrugs
[23:39] <knome> yeah.
[23:39] <knome> but you also might want to check i didn't write i secretly love pleia2 in a pink unicorn dress.
[23:40] <pleia2> this article is pretty
[23:40] <pleia2> haha
[23:40] <pleia2> right, no unicorn dresses
[23:40] <knome> for you or me?
[23:40] <knome> :|
[23:40] <pleia2> for me
[23:41] <knome> ah! then it's fine
[23:41] <knome> ;)=
[23:42] <knome> i mean, the aforementioned sentence might imply *i'm* in the pink unicorn dress, secretly loving pleia2
[23:42] <pleia2> true
[23:42] <Unit193> lderan: Great!  We can finally use #StArTmEeTiNg !
[23:42] <pleia2> I'll keep an eye out for that too
[23:43] <knome> good good
[23:43] <knome> i don't remember i wrote that, but if i did, please edit it away
[23:43] <lderan> Unit193, who wouldn't want to use that?
[23:43] <pleia2> Unit193: you totally would open a bug report requesting that
[23:43] <knome> i don't fancy pink unicorn dresses either
[23:43] <Unit193> pleia2: ...That'd be one I'd even have to file, with my hate for bugs. :P
[23:44] <knome> Unit193, file a bug saying people shouldn't need to file bugs because that's just clearly against humanity.
[23:44] <knome> Unit193, if you file it against xubuntu-website, i'll mark it as invalid and comment that rather than what you wrote, it's against humanity needing to *process* bugs.
[23:51] <bluesabre> Unit193, but bugs get rid of that false sense of security
[23:51] <bluesabre> I thought catfish was finally perfect, but the bugs finally started rolling in
[23:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: I never have that, my 82845G/GL with the i915 driver makes sure of that on the one computer...
[23:52] <bluesabre> :D
[23:52] <bluesabre> could be worse
[23:53] <bluesabre> I found a bug with the current kernel version with my laptop
[23:53] <bluesabre> but its fixed in the next kernel version
[23:53] <bluesabre> which means I am stuck with it until 13.10
[23:53] <bluesabre> no suspending for me
[23:53] <bluesabre> I guess thats not worse though
[23:53] <bluesabre> since yours will never work right
[23:54] <bluesabre> ... sorry
[23:54] <bluesabre> :D
[23:59] <knome> pleia2, you're off work any minute!
[23:59] <pleia2> yes, and have to run to the post office for Pwnna's stickers!
[23:59] <knome> hehe


[05:42] <mup> Bug #1751540 opened: Sorting "Last Seen" on "Dashboard" sorts by string, not by timestamp <dashboard> <sorting> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751540>
[19:30] <tosaraja> roaksoax: thanks! was going for the data provided by 'machines read'.
[22:15] <terrycain> Hey guys, I really like the libvirt chassis/power management part. If I wanted the same sort of functionality when using xenserver where abouts would you recommend starting? I know the xen api pretty well so i think its just a case of slotting it in somewhere


[04:44] <madPig> Unity is not emprovement, it's just wrong idea of progess... just different way without a real destination... useless... annoying... please don't kill Ubuntu... kill Unity... but keep fancy buttons (on right)
[04:44] <madPig> that's all folks
[04:44] <madPig> good day/night
[04:44] <madPig> :D
[11:17] <MCR1> smspillaz: Hi Sam :) Thx 4 your review.
[13:59] <Xorifelse> Is anyone available to help me with a unity issue?