[06:52] <AlanBell> nice cloak Pendulum!
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: thanks :)
[10:51] <AlanBell> there are now 558 Ubuntu Members
[10:51] <czajkowski> nice
[10:53] <AlanBell> 25 of which are women
[10:53] <AlanBell> although I did think we were up to 26 now, so I will have to check that
[10:53] <czajkowski> is that all :(
[10:54] <AlanBell> the overall percentage hasn't changed much since UDS-M
[10:55] <czajkowski> well it won't really I guess as many more men go for membership then women
[10:56] <rww> AlanBell: I assume you mean UDS-L?
[10:56] <Pendulum> yeah :-/
[10:57] <nigelb> rww: congrats :)
[10:57] <rww> thanks :)
[10:57]  * nigelb is preparing wiki
[10:58] <nigelb> I realized I've done quite a bit which hasn't gone into the wiki
[10:58] <Pendulum> nigelb: I started my wiki early so that when I decided to go for membership it wouldn't need any work (this also made things like my wiki page for UW leader easier) and pretty much just listed out everything I'd done
[10:58] <Pendulum> then thought about things and listed out some more
[10:58] <czajkowski> that and me nagging
[10:58] <czajkowski> :)
[10:58] <czajkowski> works wonders
[10:59] <nigelb> Pendulum: its just that after user days I really didn't update my wiki
[10:59] <Pendulum> also, feel free to pick up the wiki formatting of someone who has already gone for membership (successfully)
[10:59] <Pendulum> I picked up czajkowski's
[11:00] <nigelb> I picked up joeb's wiki ;)
[11:00] <czajkowski> having the wiki laid out well is half the battle as far as I can see
[11:00] <AlanBell> rww yes, UDS-L
[11:00] <nigelb> yeah, I've seen popey give out -1 before end of introduction because wiki is badly formatted
[11:01] <popey> thats not true
[11:01] <popey> its not bad formatting
[11:01] <popey> its lack of content
[11:01] <nigelb> yeah, that too ;)
[11:01] <nigelb> most of the time they go hand in hand
[11:01] <popey> even I'm not _that_ bad
[11:01] <nigelb> lol
[11:01] <nigelb> btw, is there any problem if I ask for memership with another regional membership board?
[11:01] <Pendulum> nope
[11:01] <nigelb> I dont think I'll be able to make the time of the my membership board
[11:02] <Pendulum> I went with Americas because I knew I was most likely to be able to make an Americas board meeting
[11:02] <Daviey> If you got rejected by one board, jumping straight to the next regional board might be a problem :)
[11:02] <nigelb> lol, no.  I dont intend to do that ;)
[11:02] <Pendulum> I considered going with EMEA, though, because at the time Americas didn't have a scheduled meeting
[11:02] <nigelb> pleia2: ^ lol
[11:03] <nigelb> bah, she i'll still be sleeping
[11:03] <rww> Yeah, the Californians are all /theoretically/ asleep right now >.>
[11:03] <Pendulum> I'm sure she's sleeping
[11:05] <nigelb> rww: except for you?
[11:05] <rww> nigelb: indeed
[11:05] <nigelb> hehe :)
[11:26] <nigelb> Pendulum: I could use some testimonial love :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu
[11:27] <nigelb> and lemme know if I should be changing anything
[11:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: you'll get some when I am more awake :)
[11:27] <nigelb> hehe
[11:29] <nigelb> czajkowski, popey, AlanBell: could take some time to leave a testimonial? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu
[11:29] <nigelb> (and do point out mistakes, changes)
[11:32] <popey> I'm sorry, I think it's best I dont. I have stopped putting testimonials on peoples pages. it can be akward, what with me being one of the regional message boards, so I generally only leave testimonials for people I know _really_ well or worked very closely with. sorry
[11:32] <nigelb> popey: np
[11:32] <nigelb> popey: anything I should correct though?
[11:33] <nigelb> ugh! all the people I work with are in bed now ;)
[11:33] <AlanBell> I will have a look later nigelb
[11:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: thanks :)
[11:34] <popey> nigelb: i would put a more direct link to the course you wrote
[11:34] <popey> it's hard to rummage around in bzr during a meeting
[11:34] <popey> preferably if you have a pdf or something, that would be better
[11:34] <nigelb> the course is in bzr
[11:34] <popey> yes
[11:34] <nigelb> its not yet in pdf
[11:34] <popey> "it's hard to rummage around in bzr during a meeting"
[11:35] <popey> can you not generate a pdf?
[11:35] <nigelb> hm, I'll generate a pdf and attach
[11:41] <wintellect> \o
[11:58] <nigelb> popey: looks like the music store is going to give me plenty of work.. its going to use rhythmbox which I triage :)
[11:58] <nigelb> I just got around to closing some of the very old ones, looks like its going to be 'all hands on deck' :p
[12:07] <AlanBell> ick, those bugs will be full of cross people
[12:08] <AlanBell> "I paid for song foo and it didn't turn up, Ubuntu steals songs and kills kittens"
[12:08] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol, I get that already
[12:20] <wintellect> Will the UbuntuOneStore be accessible from a browser - or will you *need* Rhythmbox to get to the music?
[12:21] <rww> wintellect: I believe it's browser-accessible
[12:21] <wintellect> cool
[12:21] <czajkowski> rww: congrats on your membership, I didn't realise you were up last night also
[12:22] <rww> czajkowski: thanks :). Yep, it was quite the party. Three other people I know/am acquainted with were on the agenda.
[12:22] <czajkowski> heh good stuff
[12:23] <Pendulum> I think I knew 2 others
[12:23] <Pendulum> it was a nice group
[12:23] <Pendulum> I like meetings where everyone is on their stuff and gets approved :)
[12:24] <rww> I know h00k from #ubuntu-offtopic, and Yasumoto (who they didn't get to) is an awesome member of the California LoCo
[12:25] <rww> Pendulum: yeah, things were a lot smoother than the other times I've looked in on membership meetings
[12:25] <Pendulum> I've looked in on a lot of meetings some of which went smoothly and some of which were just painful
[12:26] <Pendulum> (I've only missed one EMEA or Americas board meeting since I think UDS)
[12:26] <popey> 12:21:02 < rww> wintellect: I believe it's browser-accessible
[12:26] <popey> it isnt
[12:26] <nigelb> Pendulum: thats the first meeting I saw where everyone was accepted.
[12:26] <popey> well, it's accessible, but you can't downloads songs from it
[12:27] <nigelb> Pendulum: I've seen a couple where no one was
[12:27] <AlanBell> http://spreadsheets.google.com/oimg?key=0Ankl5FhsdSiZdGVNalVUX0E5OVBTSmtQay1IMnJNd0E&oid=1&v=1259878034620
[12:27] <nigelb> popey: so you need banshee or rhythmbox... right?
[12:27] <popey> rhythmbox
[12:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: so have I and I can't remember if I've ever seen a meeting before where everyone was accepted
[12:27] <popey> AlanBell / nigelb those bugs about the store should be directed to rhythmbox-ubuntuone-musicstore package, not rhythmbox
[12:27] <nigelb> AlanBell: target was 0?
[12:27] <AlanBell> no targets have been set
[12:27] <nigelb> AlanBell: high time we did ;)
[12:28] <nigelb> popey: ah, lucky then :)
[12:28] <rww> popey, wintellect: Ah, indeed. It appears I misread a FAQ entry talking about the Ubuntu One (syncing) website.
[12:28] <popey> nigelb: other media players can implement it if they want to
[12:28] <nigelb> popey: I was reading specs a few days back, and thought I saw banshee
[12:29] <popey> banshee has been approved, so developers can start writing the plugin
[12:29] <popey> amarok too
[12:29] <AlanBell> popey: so when you buy a song it gets delivered to the U1 server and then down to your computers? not down to the computer then back up to U1?
[12:29] <popey> yes
[12:30] <AlanBell> nigelb: high time indeed, I am not going to disagree with you on that point.
[12:30] <nigelb> AlanBell: I think 1 per month to a total of 6 per cycle is a not too bad target for now
[12:35] <AlanBell> I would be happy with any specific and realistic target agreed upon by the group
[12:36] <AlanBell> it wasn't a blueprint item from the last UDS, so isn't really on the agenda for this cycle I guess
[12:41] <nigelb> we should probably remind someone to think about it next time
[12:42] <nigelb> its easier to measure progress when we have quantifiable goals to achieve
[12:42] <Pendulum> stick it on a meeting agenda
[12:42] <nigelb> I never make it to UW meetings, its always when I'm at work :p
[12:45] <nigelb> wow, I got a german visitor on my blog and he/she's left a comment in german
[12:46] <wintellect> have you translated the comment to ensure it's not spam? (no offence intended)
[12:47] <nigelb> yep
[12:47] <nigelb> which is why I'm surprised
[12:47] <nigelb> I thought it was spam initially
[12:47] <nigelb> bah, it is spam :p
[12:47] <wintellect> :(
[12:48] <nigelb> well the comment wasn't, but his website is something to do with porn...
[12:48] <popey> happens all the time, which is why i use akismet
[12:48] <nigelb> I do use askimet, but somehow it missed this one
[12:50] <nigelb> popey: I like your new intro page
[12:50] <popey> thanks
[12:50] <popey> was made for me by a friend
[12:51] <nigelb> I generally read via feedreader, recently saw that page
[13:03] <AlanBell> [15:57:11] <pleia2> [ACTION] Percentage goal decision to be discussed further
[13:03] <AlanBell> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-women.log.20100107_1501.html
[13:05] <AlanBell> so I guess it is an action arising from a previous meeting still
[13:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: we probably just need to remind pleia2 :)
[13:10] <nigelb> I think numbers would be better though
[13:10] <AlanBell> I think we just have
[13:10] <nigelb> hehe
[13:10] <AlanBell> I added it to the agenda
[13:10] <nigelb> I wanna make it to the next meeting at least
[13:10] <AlanBell> I will provide an update on the current status at the next meeting
[13:11] <nigelb> AlanBell: issyl0 is going for membership next month, so might be on the way to 1 per month ;)
[13:12] <AlanBell> topic
[13:12] <AlanBell> bah
[13:12] <nigelb> huh?
[13:12] <AlanBell> ooh tight schedule!
[13:13] <AlanBell> emea board meets at 20:00 on the 2nd, U-W meeting is at 21:00 on the 2nd
[13:14] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kinouchou
[13:14] <nigelb> hehe, thats really tight
[13:14] <AlanBell> that will be a visible blip in the chart (if all goes to plan)
[13:15] <nigelb> I still think we need to take the percentages
[13:15] <nigelb> out
[13:16] <nigelb> bah, lemme format it right.  I think we need to take the percentages out and work with solid numbers
[13:20] <AlanBell> I translated a few percentages into solid numbers in the "What would we have to do to change it in the next cycle?" bit
[13:21] <nigelb> where?
[13:21] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers
[13:23] <nigelb> wow
[13:23] <nigelb> thts a statistics class right there
[13:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: the profiles page could use an "Is Ubuntu Member" field
[13:27] <popey> not sure I like "how long does it take"
[13:27] <popey> makes it sound like a target
[13:27] <nigelb> me neither
[13:28] <popey> like people should look to get their membership quickly
[13:28] <popey> it's less "how long does it take" more "how long between registration and becoming a member"
[13:28] <popey> which I know is a long handed way of saying it, but "how long does it take" just doesnt sit right
[13:28] <nigelb> +1
[13:29] <AlanBell> yeah, it wasn't a target, just an interesting graph that dropped out of the data
[13:30] <AlanBell> too nice a curve to leave out
[14:14] <czajkowski> issyl0: is going for hers next month
[14:18] <nigelb> czajkowski: I did mention that somewhere
[14:28] <akgraner> hey AlanBell will you be around in a couple hours like after 6pm your time?
[14:33] <AlanBell> akgraner: sure
[14:33] <AlanBell> bit later would probably be better
[14:35] <akgraner> AlanBell, yep for me to - I have 2 articles I have to have turned in today so I will be swamped for the next few hours - but in a good way...
[16:12] <issyl0> Hello there.
[16:13] <issyl0> Ooh, thanks for letting people know czajkowski.
[16:13] <issyl0> Congratulations to Pendulum, above all though, w000!
[16:13] <czajkowski> issyl0: no bother
[16:14]  * issyl0 goes and hopes her scrollback gets far enough back through #ubuntu-meeting :)
[16:14] <czajkowski> issyl0: logged chanel
[16:14] <czajkowski> you can just get them from log list
[16:15] <czajkowski> then you'll get an idea of the meeting format, though I note USA board uses mootbot, EMEA doesn't but you get the idea
[16:16] <issyl0> No worries I found it :)
[16:16] <issyl0> Ah right, OK.
[16:16]  * issyl0 goes looking for the logs then.
[16:17] <czajkowski> issyl0: so if you want to see an EMEA one, find the date and look at the logs of that meeting
[16:22] <issyl0> czajkowski: Ok, and erm where are the logs? :)
[16:22]  * issyl0 should search more thoroughly.
[16:23] <nigelb> issyl0: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[16:24] <issyl0> Hmm, thanks!
[16:24] <czajkowski> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/
[16:24] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:25] <issyl0> irclogs.ubuntu.com doesn't give much away as to the dates and where the meeting logs are, even in #ubuntu-meeting section.
[16:25] <nigelb> you got to get the calender and look for dates of first tuesdays or whenever your board meets
[16:25] <nigelb> and then check logs
[16:25] <czajkowski> I use http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/
[16:26] <issyl0> Aaah... I did just read it properly, thanks nigelb, czajkowski!
[16:26] <nigelb> czajkowski: does it have all channels ?
[16:26]  * issyl0 works out when the first Tuesday of January was.
[16:27] <nigelb> issyl0: click on the time in top right, should open a calender
[16:27] <issyl0> Huh?  Oh, yeah :P
[16:27]  * issyl0 is dense this afternoon, it's not good!
[16:27]  * nigelb thought issyl0 was impatient :p
[16:28] <issyl0> nigelb: I've got better with that... but yes I am still ;)
[16:28] <nigelb> issyl0: 1, 29, 2 for dec, jan, and feb ;)
[16:29]  * nigelb goes to get ready for work
[16:31] <popey> czajkowski: logs.ubuntu-eu.org is for loco channels, irclogs.ubuntu.com is for project channels
[16:31] <popey> in theory
[16:33] <issyl0> What I read of the logs was pretty interesting.
[17:20]  * pleia2 isn't the one who needs to be reminded re: percentages :)
[17:20] <pleia2> I was just the meeting chair!
[17:21] <Pendulum> and you were a good chair :)
[17:21] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:26] <jussi01> so who was the meeting table? :D
[18:18] <AlanBell> the word "table" in relation to meetings is one of the irritating words that means the exact opposite in British and American English
[18:19] <maco2> hmmm?
[18:19] <maco2> going by what jussi01 said im guessing in british, table means chair?
[18:26] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(verb)
[18:33] <maco2> AlanBell: but jussi used it like a noun :-/
[18:45] <AlanBell> this is true, and it was a most agreeable pun
[18:46] <AlanBell> anyhow, I guess it was an action on everyone to discuss percentages then?
[18:47] <maco2> i dont know what youre talking about though
[18:47] <maco2> what meeting?
[18:48] <AlanBell> oh, in the meeting http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-women.log.20100107_1501.html there was an action [ACTION] Percentage goal decision to be discussed further
[18:49] <AlanBell> which came up earlier as I updated the graph on this page http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers
[18:49] <AlanBell> and someone ( nigelnb I think) noticed that the targets were all zero
[18:51] <Pendulum> maco2: I think jussi01 was making a joke
[18:51] <maco2> oh
[18:52] <Pendulum> as pleia2 had said she'd "chaired" the meeting so he was joking about "who tabled it?"
[18:52] <maco2> ah ok
[18:52] <Pendulum> so making a joke about tables and chairs
[18:52] <maco2> i joined in the middle
[18:54] <Pendulum> ah
[18:54] <jussi01> bwahahah... the joke has everyone confuzzled :D
[18:54] <AlanBell> yeah the words meeting and table together triggered the triviabot in my head
[18:54] <jussi01> but yes, maco2is correct
[20:42] <AlanBell> ]
[20:42] <AlanBell> akgraner: ready whenever
[20:43] <akgraner> AlanBell, ok cool :-)
[21:17] <AlanBell> it was suggested earlier to highlight the people on the profiles page who are Ubuntu Members
[21:18] <AlanBell> I have done this, probably missing some, on the basis that it is a wiki and can be reverted if this does not turn out to be a good idea
[21:18] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Profiles
[21:18] <AlanBell> just easier to talk about it if you can see what it might look like. I just stuck the favicon of the wiki next to names I recognised as having launchpad profiles on my list
[21:29] <akgraner> What if instead of concentrating on Ubuntu Women Members next cycle we look at how to bring more women into the project without the pressure of sustained contribution
[21:29] <akgraner> ubuntu membership I mean
[21:30] <akgraner> though if women are already contributing and want to become a member we certainly encourage those project team members
[21:31] <valorie> I see a danger if there is too much emphasis on Ubuntu Membership
[21:32] <valorie> because we do want to serve the general public, bring them into F/OSS
[21:32] <valorie> and K/Ubuntu
[21:32] <valorie> not just membership
[21:32] <valorie> we don't want to be known as a membership conduit only.....
[21:32] <valorie> IMO
[21:32] <akgraner> valorie, yep that was my point I guess
[21:35] <AlanBell> not just a membership conduit, certainly not
[21:36] <valorie> it's exciting to help someone achieve their goals
[21:36] <valorie> I don't want to depreciate that
[21:37] <valorie> but we gotta have balance
[21:37] <AlanBell> at the moment there is not an emphasis on Ubuntu membership, and no targets for what this team is achieving as a whole (it is achieving stuff)
[21:37] <AlanBell> it is a measureable and well defined metric
[21:38] <akgraner> AlanBell, we need to 1) get some other ground work in place 2) encourage people to join the LP UW team as well 3) show where contribution can take place 4) offer mentoring for that contribution if it is needed
[21:39] <AlanBell> yes, I agree with all of that
[21:40] <akgraner> while it is measurable - I am not sure that is the area of concentration we need to focus on to show growth while it is one are I don't necessarily think it is the most important area
[21:40] <AlanBell> those are absolutely the sorts of things that will need to be done to achieve the aims of the project
[21:42] <akgraner> however, I could be completely off base -
[21:42] <AlanBell> or I could be :-)
[21:42] <AlanBell> that is much more likely tbh
[21:43] <akgraner> I know we aren't a "LoCo" team as it is defined but LoCo teams and other projects don't base success on the number of Ubuntu Members they have...  I think the information you have is very important in terms of the Ubuntu Project as a whole, and I absolutely believe it should be tracked in the way you are tracking it
[21:44] <akgraner> and I believe we as a team should keep our eye on those numbers
[21:44] <AlanBell> do you thing women are under-represented in Ubuntu?
[21:45] <akgraner> oh of course
[21:45] <AlanBell> s/thing/think
[21:45] <akgraner> but I am bot sure it is something we can say hey join the ubuntu women project today and in 6 months you can be an ubuntu member
[21:46] <akgraner> s/bot/not
[21:46] <AlanBell> the UK loco is not aiming to fix a curious lack of British people in the community
[21:46] <akgraner> I would think we could take the LP team list and the dates people join and then overlay it with your info on ubuntu membership
[21:47] <akgraner> and I would like to see more people join the team on LP as that has been decided to be the Offical team list
[21:49] <valorie> is that mentioned in all our basic pages, Amber?
[21:49] <valorie> that people should list themselves on Launchpad?
[21:50] <akgraner> while one of the goals is to bring more women into the ubuntu project, I am not sure saying join the team and let's work toward your ubuntu membership is the right way - however for those women who are in the community, and contributing b/c they are excited and motivated to help the Ubuntu Project and don't know that what they are doing with their contribution is sustained and meets all the requirements then we should encourage th
[21:50] <akgraner> em to seek membership
[21:50] <valorie> because Ubuntu is the only distro with a system like that
[21:50] <valorie> I think
[21:52] <akgraner> valorie, I am going over all that this weekend to see what still needs to be sent to the list...  I know I sent the logs and minutes to the list back in January when it was decided but it may need to be added to wikis
[21:52] <valorie> and a sticky topic on the Forum
[21:52] <valorie> ;-)
[21:52] <akgraner> yep
[21:54] <AlanBell> I am not suggesting press gangs rounding up new users and forcing them down the member pipeline :-)
[21:55] <AlanBell> or any high pressure activity
[21:55] <AlanBell> just getting more people involved with Ubuntu
[21:56] <AlanBell> so that the community is more like it is in the rest of the computing industry, closer to mainstream
[21:57] <AlanBell> more professional and more mainstream is where I want the community to go as a whole
[21:57] <akgraner> AlanBell, I didn't mean to imply you were - I am just as excited about UWP team members becoming Ubuntu Members but don't want to lose focus on the other goals..  and yes we need to figure out how to make the roadmap, and other goals measurable
[21:58] <akgraner> AlanBell, but part of the charm of the community is that it is relaxed in some ways and not "professional" in all it does :-)  and in that way it is easy for people to get involved
[22:00] <AlanBell> relaxed is not the opposite of professional
[22:00] <AlanBell> and sexist is a subset of unprofessional
[22:02] <akgraner> I can agree that sexist is definitely unprofessional but I don't want to be so professional that it ceases to be relaxed and inviting
[22:03] <akgraner> anywho back to measurable goals
[22:03] <AlanBell> indeed, back to measurable goals
[22:04] <AlanBell> I was just trying to explain my motivation a bit
[22:05] <AlanBell> I am a very relaxed person btw
[22:06] <AlanBell> explain how you want to overlay the launchpad group with the other statistics
[22:06] <akgraner> AlanBell, I know :-)  and I don't want to discourage that motivation in anyway
[22:08] <akgraner> AlanBell, that was where I was thinking out loud...  I would like to see when people joined the LP group in relation to when/if they became members
[22:08] <AlanBell> czajkowski is going to be all cross with me for being too businesslike when she sees this
[22:08] <akgraner> :-)  yeah she tells me I am too business like as well some times  - so I think I am in good company...
[22:09] <AlanBell> ok, so 202 people in the team
[22:09] <AlanBell> I would guess the proportions are the same as we see on IRC so about 100 women in the LP group
[22:09] <akgraner> AlanBell, that is where I was hoping your ability to crunch all the info would come in handy
[22:11] <AlanBell> that gives everyone 3 key dates, when they created their launchpad profile, when they joined the U-W team and if/when they joined the members team
[22:11] <AlanBell> I would expect there to be a big gender gap in this
[22:11] <akgraner> I would too
[22:11] <AlanBell> blokes new to launchpad won't join the u-w team
[22:12] <AlanBell> women would be much more likely to join it quickly
[22:12] <akgraner> This is why I want to encourage and tell more women specifically about the team
[22:13] <AlanBell> what I find odd about launchpad is that joining a team doesn't really do very much
[22:13] <akgraner> no and that is what I would like to see change - LP can be used for team management a little better
[22:13] <AlanBell> I happen to be a member of the team, but if I wasn't it wouldn't affect me in the least
[22:14] <akgraner> when it comes to voting it would
[22:14] <akgraner> we need a place to have people join and have an official team list somewhere and this will take time
[22:14] <akgraner> it is another place to measure things as well
[22:16] <akgraner> However if LP doesn't work from the team management approach there are other systems out there
[22:17] <AlanBell> the mailing list is separate from the launchpad team isn't it
[22:18] <akgraner> I am just saying that the more organized and goal oriented we as a team become, and the more we want to measure and show progress we are going to need ways to achieve this
[22:18] <akgraner> yes it is - which is why back in January I asked the mailing list folks to join LP
[22:18] <akgraner> and I asked the forums folks to join as well
[22:18] <AlanBell> yes, I am just looking for incentives to add
[22:18] <AlanBell> at the moment I can be on IRC, the forums, the mailing list, edit the wiki and not be in the launchpad group
[22:19] <akgraner> yep - that needs to be looked at
[22:19] <AlanBell> I can probably even file a bug against the group without being in it :-)
[22:19] <akgraner> why being in the LP group doesn't need you to do anything except join
[22:19] <valorie> well, you have to sign the CoC first
[22:19] <akgraner> people don't need to be in every group
[22:20] <valorie> and to do that you have to have a GPG thingie
[22:20] <AlanBell> valorie: to join the group?
[22:20] <valorie> so there is a bit of biz to joining on Launchpad
[22:20] <valorie> I believe so, yes
[22:20] <valorie> you can't have an account without signing the CoC
[22:20] <valorie> and you can't sign without a key
[22:20] <valorie> so it is a bit techie
[22:21]  * valorie managed it anyway
[22:21] <valorie> this is UBUNTU Women
[22:21] <valorie> so I'm fine with that
[22:21] <valorie> but we should offer hand-holding to those who haven't ever done anything like this
[22:22] <issyl0> Hello again, I'm back.
[22:22] <AlanBell> I don't think you need to sign the CoC to create a launchpad account and join groups
[22:22] <valorie> are at least recognition that there IS a barrier there
[22:22] <maco2> valorie: you can have an account, you just cant become a member without signing, i think
[22:22] <AlanBell> you do to be a member or have a PPA
[22:22] <maco2> and by member i mean ubuntu member, not u-w member
[22:22] <AlanBell> hi issyl0
[22:23] <valorie> maco2: that wasn't my experience
[22:23] <maco2> valorie: just signing up to launchpad you had to sign the CoC? thats a huge change then
[22:23] <akgraner> valorie, yep - but unless we maintain a separate list of members and their email address somewhere which I am not opposed to...  we knew that is was not a perfect way
[22:23] <valorie> we should find someone who doesn't have an account, and wants to sign up
[22:23] <AlanBell> valorie: I signed it pretty soon after joining because it looked all interesting
[22:23] <maco2> because you can join LP to start your own project
[22:23] <valorie> as a test
[22:23] <maco2> just having an LP account should not require signing the *Ubuntu* CoC when LP is not exclusively for Ubuntu
[22:23] <AlanBell> there are plenty of non-ubuntu projects hosted on launchpad
[22:24] <valorie> this is just my memory I'm going on
[22:24] <valorie> Ubuntu-Women is an official project of Ubuntu, though
[22:24] <hypa7ia> i had an lp account for years before signing the coc
[22:24] <akgraner> maco2, can you check into the LP thing
[22:24] <issyl0> Wow, I didn't have to sign the Ubuntu CoC straight when I joined Lp, it was after I'd established myself a bit I decided to of my own accord.
[22:24] <maco2> hypa7ia: i had my account for 3 months (or was it 1 year, 3 months?) before i signed it
[22:24] <issyl0> Which was about mid-late 2009.
[22:25] <akgraner> I need to take my daughter to a friends house  - be back in just a few.. I'll read the scroll back :-)
[22:26] <AlanBell> ok, so what proportion of the 202 group members have signed I wonder . . .
[22:26] <valorie> perhaps it was before joining U-W
[22:26] <valorie> or even my LoCo
[22:37] <Pendulum> I think I joined UW prior to signing the CoC
[22:37] <Pendulum> I certainly joined launchpad prior to signing it
[22:39] <maco2> well you cant upload a signed copy to launchpad before joining launchpad :P
[22:49] <valorie> Pendulum: was it an official Ubuntu group when you joined?
[22:50] <valorie> I'm a rather recent member
[22:55] <issyl0> Pendulum: yeah
[23:02] <Pendulum> valorie: it was november, so yes
[23:03] <valorie> ok, perhaps my memory is flawed
[23:18] <AlanBell> akgraner: can you remove Ubuntu Media Relations from the group please, it is making python-launchpadlib fall over in an ungraceful heap of fail
[23:19] <AlanBell> it appears to be a group that doesn't exist, so it returns a 404 error
[23:24] <akgraner> AlanBell, just walked back in the door  :-)  me looks now
[23:33] <akgraner> AlanBell, am working on removing the Media Relations - looks like other teams had trouble with that as well
[23:50] <akgraner> ahhh this is terrible - I don't have the remove button for media relations  grrrrr
[23:52] <issyl0> Yay my CV is looking better, LaTeX ftw.
[23:52] <akgraner> issyl0, yay!
[23:53] <issyl0> Oh how the heck can it be nearly midnight already?  No wonder I'm tired!
[23:54] <issyl0> :)
[23:59] <akgraner> svaksha, ping


[19:58] <reisio> you need backups and new disks at regular intervals regardless, so checking is a waste of time
[19:58] <sypher> Exterminador: The general advice being given is correct. Of the drive failures I've experienced over the years, only perhaps two were properly predicted by smartd.
[19:58] <russelsteapot> blackflow, I just have the how-to guide for installing vim-go https://unknwon.io/setup-vim-for-go-development/
[19:58] <reisio> roughly 137% of people running smartmon things only do so after they have already noticed their drive being ultra slow or making terrible sounds
[19:58] <Exterminador> last time my HDD was behaving weird, EriC^^ told me some cmds. and he said my hdd was dying.. it died one week later
[19:58] <Exterminador> lol
[19:58] <reisio> at which point it's already obvious the drive is boned
[19:59] <ghostnik11> reisio: to install a fresh install along side my windows 10 partition but without having to erase the whole hard drive
[19:59] <blackflow> russelsteapot: btw, do you know how to use vim? you don't sound like you do and vim is NOT simple to use....
[19:59] <ghostnik11> reisio: https://imagebin.ca/v/2t9moj2cwV07
[19:59] <reisio> moreover: when you see a measurable reduction in _performance_, you want a new disk even if the disk is not yet dead
[19:59] <sypher> reisio: "roughly 137% of people" love it.
[19:59] <reisio> sypher: :D
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> apb1963_: perhaps a clean reinstall of ubuntu would save you alot of work?
[19:59] <Exterminador> i prefer nano instead vim
[19:59] <russelsteapot> blackflow, yeah but im going to have to learn, cuz its seems to be the most popular solution
[19:59] <apb1963_> lotuspsychje: that's not an option
[19:59] <reisio> Exterminador: use it with -uw options, then
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> apb1963_: well we cant support external ppa's here sorry mate
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> apb1963_: and you scrambled system with tons of ppa's
[20:00] <apb1963_> lotuspsychje: I removed everything under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  and ran apt-get update
[20:00] <reisio> ghostnik11: you can delete the partition/s related to your current gnu/linux install if you want, sure, the installer won't miss them
[20:00] <ghostnik11> reisio: that is a layout of my hard drive and i want to know if i should just wipe sda6 = biosgrub, then sda7 = ext4 and sda8 = swap
[20:00] <sypher> apb1963_: That doesn't undo the possible damage done by a poorly-constructed ppa.
[20:00] <apb1963_> Now I get E: Package 'wine' has no installation candidate
[20:00] <reisio> ghostnik11: sounds fine to me
[20:01] <blackflow> russelsteapot: I don't know, it's a pretty old school editor, with a very steep learning curve. Just sayin'g, in case you didn't know what you're getting into :)  it's worth the trouble, tho'. Many months later when your fingers start automatically flying through all those command combinations.
[20:01] <rubens_> boa tarde, como faço para instalar o grub
[20:01] <reisio> ghostnik11: the installer is probably also smart enough to install over them, too (I do rather favor your approach, however [although I don't favor reinstalling GNU/Linux except in dire cirumstances])
[20:01] <ghostnik11> reisio: then after can i tell the installer to just install along side windows and it will then use back the free space after deletion
[20:01] <OerHeks> apb1963_, add those ppa's again and remove them properly with ppa-purge. else do a reinstall.
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> !es | rubens_
[20:01] <OerHeks> i love this lesson :-D
[20:01] <reisio> ghostnik11: should do, yes
[20:01] <reisio> ghostnik11: as long as you don't tell it to delete your windows, you should be fine
[20:02] <russelsteapot> blackflow, yeah, i know its going to take a bit, but thats fine, ill figure it out as i go. I guess ill just go with solution of pasting /etc/vimrc to ~/.vimrc then
[20:02] <ghostnik11> reisio: okay and the sda6 to sda8 is all linux
[20:02] <reisio> russelsteapot: that's probably overkill
[20:02] <rubens_> grato, lotuspsychje
[20:02] <reisio> ghostnik11: looks like it is, you should know :)
[20:02] <reisio> ghostnik11: your /etc/fstab should say
[20:02] <blackflow> russelsteapot: you don't have to do that
[20:02] <ghostnik11> reisio: sda6 = biosgrub is basicallly my grub menu
[20:02] <blackflow> russelsteapot: just add the commands listed under #2 in that link you pasted
[20:03] <blackflow> russelsteapot: to ~/.vimrc
[20:03] <tuged> My network connection drops out on Both of my Acer netboots every 10-20 min, even when connected via cable. Anyone know of a fix?
[20:03] <Exterminador> now, about tmux.. it's similar to screen? or it differs much?
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> tuged: ubuntu version? network adapter chipset?
[20:04] <russelsteapot> reisio, blackflow ok ill try that
[20:04] <tuged> The drop out happens regardless of network so it hasta be my network (hardware?)
[20:04] <reisio> Exterminador: similar
[20:04] <tuged> Ubuntu 16.04 on both
[20:04] <reisio> most people accept it as more modern/developed, but
[20:04] <reisio> most people also only ever use about 0.01% of screen's features
[20:04] <rubens_> to install a boot manager
[20:04] <danny_> ok this is a result from df "/home/danny/.Private 145565272 74775108  63372772  55% /home/danny" why is .Private mounted at /danny? and why is it so big?
[20:04] <reisio> so whether tmux has more features is kind of not the point
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> tuged: updated to latest 16.04.1?
[20:04] <rubens_> grub
[20:04] <reisio> you can use either, both, none, etc.
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> !grub | rubens_
[20:05] <blackflow> Exterminador: btw, running smartd is not a waste of time. it's one of the signals you get, and you won't get, eg, proliferating bad sectors from deteriorated performance. replaced two disks now based on increase in "reallocated count" and smart data was the only info about it.
[20:05] <rubens_> thank you
[20:05] <tuged> I update almost daily
[20:05] <daily> yeah same
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> tuged: any usefull syslog errors @ drop out time?
[20:06] <Exterminador> i'll bug you all later when my sons leave me use the pc again
[20:06] <tuged> It seems like it just hangs, how can I see these syslog errors?
[20:06] <Exterminador> now they're seeing some animated movies
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> tuged: tail -f /var/log/syslog for realtime
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> tuged: or manual browse /var/log/..
[20:08] <Exterminador> and if i touch the pc, they'll prolly kill me.. i'll need some with wine also, i guess. btw, did anyone ever used qweechat? is that GUI or CLI?
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Exterminador
[20:08] <Exterminador> lotuspsychje: ty! :)
[20:11] <ghostnik11> reisio: okay so i deleted sda6 to 8 and it freed up 300GB
[20:12] <tuged> The syslog is quite large, can I post it somewhere (pastebin)?
[20:13] <ikonia> you don't need the full syslog
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> tuged: i would recommend to start looking syslog at the time it goes wrong with your network
[20:13] <ikonia> just the bits that are important
[20:13] <ghostnik11> reisio: i did it usiing disk will go back in and select install along side windows. thanks bro for the help
[20:14] <reisio> np
[20:25] <tuged> There are two lines I think are helpful: [1472415758.2299] device (wlan0): state change: activated -> failed (reason 'ip-config-expired') [100 120 6]
[20:26] <tuged> and    NetworkManager[601]: <warn>  [1472415758.3181] device (wlan0): Activation: failed for connection 'MOTOROLA-16FD6'
[20:28] <varaindemian> why the screen doesn't go off after locking?
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> tuged: wlan is your wifi adapter, didnt you see it was your ethernetcard?
[20:30] <tuged> I'm not sure what your asking...the issue happens on WiFi and ethernet, right now I'm on ethernet.
[20:31] <varaindemian> why the screen doesn't go off after locking?
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> tuged: did you have this problem on other ubuntu versions?
[20:33] <varaindemian> I am on 16.04.1
[20:34] <tuged> I believe so, (14.04) but it seems more pronounced now, or maybe I'm just noticing it
[20:35] <sakrecoer> hi! i'm following these instructions http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html when i get to do "make" i get this error message: "error: Package `Gio-2.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories"
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> tuged: so you had those network drops all the time?
[20:36] <sakrecoer> i find a few instructions regarding that but everything is very old and i am very novice to this.
[20:36] <tuged> Yes...Every 10-15 min, random times. Tow differnt computers both Acers
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> tuged: perhaps try higher kernels as a test? or ubuntu 16.10 just to see if you can bypass those drops?
[20:38] <varaindemian> anyone? I am seeking for an answear for a week..
[20:39] <reisio> varaindemian: what's the question?
[20:39] <tuged> is 16.10 LTS?
[20:39] <\9_> tuged: no
[20:39] <reisio> tuged: know what LTS means?
[20:39] <\9_> tuged: 16.10 will not even be released for another two months
[20:40] <\9_> tuged: 16.04 is LTS
[20:41] <tuged> I went thru hell on an upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 15.??, am very reluctant to relive that
[20:41] <sypher> tuged: Then don't try to force an LTS release to upgrade to a non-LTS release.
[20:41] <tuged> Long term support
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> tuged: test a liveusb
[20:41] <reisio> tuged: no, that's what it stands for :p
[20:43] <Exterminador> i cant access irc (using public hotspot) without a vpn. on windows i have installed hotspotshield vpn.. any similar GUI app to linux? i'd like something like: Install, Click and Go
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> Exterminador: i tested mullvad on ubuntu once
[20:44] <tuged> I can try that. Freakin comedy hour in here
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> tuged: did you test any Os where your network didnt drop?
[20:45] <Exterminador> lotuspsychje: GUI based? or CLI?
[20:45] <tuged> I dont recall drops before 14
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> Exterminador: check the mullvad website, GUI
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> tuged: so it should be a 16.04.1 bug then, perhaps file a new bug (if it doesnt exist yet)?
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> !bug | tuged
[20:46] <Exterminador> lotuspsychje: ty... i'll check that
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> tuged: did you already mention adapter chipset?
[20:48] <tuged> I did not....I think this is a very similar issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/812838/wifi-connection-issues-on-ubuntu-16-04
[20:48] <tuged> RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
[20:49] <bruce_dev> ugh wtf did I do. I editted my nginx sites-available/default
[20:49] <bruce_dev> and now whenever I access my server ip address
[20:49] <bruce_dev> it downloads a file called "download"
[20:49] <Exterminador> lotuspsychje: with that, of connection drops, will it reconnect by itself?
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> tuged: another thing you could test, is installing other driver/firmware for your card chipset
[20:49] <Exterminador> if connection*
[20:49] <bruce_dev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23104405/ here is /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> Exterminador: you mean the vpn?
[20:50] <Exterminador> lotuspsychje: yep, the vpn
[20:50] <blackflow> bruce_dev: try_files \$uri   that \ is redundant
[20:51] <bruce_dev> completely new to ubuntu here..please explain
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> Exterminador: it should
[20:51] <blackflow> bruce_dev: and that location too
[20:51] <bruce_dev> https://asked.io/how-to-install-php-7-x--nginx-1-9-x---laravel-5-x
[20:51] <ceibal>
[20:51] <bruce_dev> i was following this
[20:51] <bruce_dev> bleh
[20:52] <blackflow> bruce_dev: nothing to do with ubuntu, looks like you're escaping $ which is not per nginx config format
[20:52] <bruce_dev> ubuntu and nginx
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> tuged: lsb_release -a ?
[20:52] <bruce_dev> Yeah i have alot of learning to do
[20:52] <Exterminador> i need to try it.. any connection, even http will go trought the vpn, right?
[20:53] <tuged> No LSB modules are available.
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> tuged: descripttion?
[20:54] <tuged> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> tuged: you said you had 16.04.1 earlier?
[20:55] <tuged> No 16.04
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> tuged: update to latest first please
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> tuged: alot of network-manager bugs out there
[20:56] <tuged> I do updates daily....how do I update to 16.04.1?
[20:56] <max3> can someone tell why i can't see this http://pk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/selenium-firefoxdriver/ when i do apt-cache search on ubuntu 16?
[20:56] <JC1> hi guys
[20:58] <reisio> max3: got multiverse enabled?
[20:58] <max3> reisio, yup in my sources.list i have deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial multiverse uncommented
[20:59] <JC1> can someone suggest me a good rss reader?
[20:59] <reisio> apt-get update'd?
[20:59] <qwertycat> Hello, I have a problem with my fonts, does anyone know what packages you need to install in order to display japanese fonts? my music player looks like this: http://imgur.com/a/VzLlR. this is debian 8 jessie running
[21:00] <max3> reisio, nope
[21:00] <max3> reisio, ie still doesn't show
[21:00] <blackflow> bruce_dev: did that fix it?
[21:00] <tgm4883> max3: it's only in 16.10
[21:00] <tgm4883> !info firefoxdriver yakkety
[21:00] <bruce_dev> yeah, now im just trying to get rid of the http 500 error
[21:00] <tgm4883> !info firefoxdriver xenial
[21:01] <max3> tgm4883, thanks
[21:02] <JC1> can someone suggest me a good rss reader?
[21:06] <bruce_dev> blackflow, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23104459/ do you see anything major in there?
[21:06] <bruce_dev> i did sudo nginx -t and it gave no errors, but I have an error 500
[21:06] <Guest23677> hi i messed up my whole system ad want to access my old encrypted files now. but there are certain questions while doing this. ecryptfs and cryptsetup are installed. i've added a user with same nick as the old one.
[21:07] <mistralol> anyone any suggestions on how to work around this issue? http://askubuntu.com/questions/759071/cant-update-upgrade-du-to-could-not-execute-apt-key-to-verify-signature
[21:07] <Guest23677> can't access by clicking, nor via terminal when i do "sudo ecryptfs-mount-private" or "sudo ecryptfs-recover-private"
[21:08] <blackflow> bruce_dev: check the nginx error log for the reason
[21:09] <Guest23677> here is a pastebin link of my commands and results http://pastebin.com/PXHw2pNk
[21:09] <mistralol> blackflow: any idea how to get apt to ignore the pgp key for a single update apparently downgrading apt works ;)
[21:11] <blackflow> mistralol: sorry I don't
[21:13] <varaindemian> reisio, why the screen doesn't turn off after locking?
[21:14] <ubuntubastard> hi
[21:14] <ubuntubastard> In Ubuntu unity 16.04, is something supposed to happen when I click on a blank space on the taskbar?
[21:14] <ubuntubastard> if anyone's on a ubuntu unity machine right now I would appreciate if you could try for me
[21:15] <tripout> brb
[21:15] <ubuntubastard> i mean the application bar that has all the icons on it
[21:15] <ubuntubastard> whatever it's called
[21:16] <precise|CoolSnek> Nothing happens on my machine ubuntubastard. Am running Xenial + Unity
[21:16] <ubuntubastard> thank you
[21:17] <ubuntubastard> I was just wondering because I installed CairoDock, and didnt' like it, uninstalled it + purged, but was afraid some settings on my unity were still off
[21:17] <ubuntubastard> nevertheless, I think imma grab a copy of ubuntu gnome, instead of unity
[21:17] <ubuntubastard> I'm tired of unity
[21:17] <MonkeyDust> !notunity | ubuntubastard
[21:18] <ubuntubastard> oh wow thanks
[21:18] <ubuntubastard> I was just going to grab a copy of the install that has gnome default, but if I can do this I will
[21:18] <ubuntubastard> if I wanted to go back to unity could I
[21:18] <mistralol> blackflow: ahh resolved. You can add [trusted=yes] int he sources.list file ;)
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> ubuntubastard  logout, switch, login
[21:19] <ubuntubastard> wow ok
[21:20] <ubuntubastard> would this work guys? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/install-gnome-3-20-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[21:20] <ubuntubastard> to install gnome
[21:21] <ubuntubastard> well I think I'm going to just use the distro
[21:21] <ubuntubastard> ubuntu gnome
[21:21] <ubuntubastard> seems easier to me, and I don't want both
[21:21] <bruce_dev> blackflow, thanks, i got it figured out, permission was denied for a certain folder
[21:21] <blackflow> mistralol: I see, but make that a temporary measure :)
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> ubuntubastard  type    sudo apt install gnome-shell
[21:21] <blackflow> bruce_dev: great! :)
[21:22] <ubuntubastard> MonkeyDust will that erase unity
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> ubuntubastard  no
[21:22] <reisio> !notunity
[21:22] <mistralol> blackflow: well its make it trusted then do the update then downgrade app then remove the temp messur and hold apt back with "apt-mark apt" to stop it from being upgraded
[21:22] <ubuntubastard> ok I did the first command, now I just need gnome-tweak-tool right
[21:22] <ubuntubastard> so sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool ?
[21:22] <mistralol> blackflow: but why this happens on this machine I still have no idea its like an execve is failing because the permissions are funny on the fd
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> ubuntubastard  first try gnome, then start tweaking, after you got used to it
[21:23] <ubuntubastard> the first command is asking which display manager, gdm3 or lightdm
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> ubuntubastard  choose lightdm
[21:23] <ubuntubastard> ok
[21:24] <ubuntubastard> after the first command is done I just log out
[21:24] <ubuntubastard> and then log in via gnome, right?
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> ubuntubastard  yes, then switch and login
[21:24] <ubuntubastard> hah! thanks monkeydust
[21:24] <ubuntubastard> kudos4u
[21:24] <blackflow> mistralol: I'm guessing something unexpected happen with the upgrade. with this you can make sure you're updated and upgraded to latest available and then it might fix itself.
[21:27] <mistralol> blackflow: yeah thats what i looked for but its already the latest which is most broken... I guess i watch the bug to see if it gets resolved
[21:28] <blackflow> mistralol: 16.04.1?
[21:28] <mistralol> blackflow: yup
[21:28] <blackflow> I'm running that and it's not broken, so I'm guessing somethng with the upgrade messed with the keys
[21:28] <blackflow> mistralol: never done it myself but perhaps theres a way to rebuild those keys?
[21:29] <OerHeks> I doubt that VM issue with keys get solved.
[21:29] <mistralol> blackflow: if you run the apt-ket by its self it works fine. It just won't permit apt-get to execute it for some reason
[21:29] <OerHeks> wrong approach, your vendor should provide a image, or the manual howto upgrade.
[21:29] <mistralol> blackflow: its something broken inside apt
[21:29] <mistralol> OerHeks: thats nice hen that choice is avilable ;)
[21:30] <tuged> Just ran 'updater' stays sytsem is up to date so How do you/I upgrade to 16.04.1?
[21:30] <bipul> When i am doing partitioning on MBR, it start from 2048 and end at (1-TotalSector)  While GPT it starts from 1 and end at same (1-TotalSector), when i take 1 sector = 512 Byte I found 2048 is equivalent to 10 MB, so in between this 10MB space MBR i.e 512 Resides?
[21:30] <k1l_> tuged: what ubuntu version are you using?
[21:30] <OerHeks> Do contact them, they don't read these bugreports
[21:30] <mistralol> OerHeks: but actually it looks like the vm host in this case doesn't actually mess with ubuntu at all
[21:30] <tuged> 16.04
[21:30] <bipul> 512 Byte of MBR resides ?
[21:30] <k1l_> tuged: if you run the updates you already have 16.04.1
[21:31] <k1l_> tuged: think of it as the servicepacks from windows.
[21:31] <mistralol> OerHeks: i diff'ed the package list between their install and mine
[21:31] <Rarrikins> tuged: Make sure to do both `sudo apt update` and `sudo apt dist-upgrade`.
[21:31] <Rarrikins> tuged: Update gets the changes. Upgrade applies them.
[21:31] <mistralol> OerHeks: and other people who have gone though that upgrade path have also seen it break in the same way
[21:32] <Rarrikins> tuged: If it says you're up to date after that, you're on 16.04.1
[21:32] <tuged> wen I run lsb_release -a it states: Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[21:32] <tuged> Release:	16.04
[21:32] <Bashing-om> bipul: TJ-: https://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot/#a_bootloader  explains :)
[21:33] <k1l_> tuged: what is the output of "lsb_release -sd" ?
[21:33] <blackflow> OerHeks: why vendor, tho? Is there a repo mirror involved with broken keys, or is it not all Ubuntu?
[21:33] <Rarrikins> tuged: I'm not sure about that. The description should say 16.04.1.
[21:34] <bipul> Bashing-om, Thank you, I was trying to plot this one graph table, to visualize how things work?
[21:34] <OerHeks> blackflow, he is on a VM in a datacenter, those images are heavily tweaked.
[21:35] <OerHeks> so ignore the advise to ask them for proper images or the manual howto update, we cannot do anything.
[21:35] <Bashing-om> bipul: Best of my meager memory .. TJ- has done that plotting in the link for us .
[21:35] <OerHeks> please continue, i love this lesson
[21:35] <bipul> Bashing-om, Yes, thats what i am looking for
[21:35] <bipul> WOW
[21:37] <Bashing-om> bipul: Uh Huh .. my thoughts too at that time .. from my notes " <-Wow, great tutorials ! " .
[21:38] <bipul> Yes, it is really great tutorial. I must thanks to author for sharing a wonderful knowledge.
[21:38] <bipul> We must thanks*
[21:39] <Bashing-om> bipul: He ^ is presently occupied building a new house . When he has the time you will find him on the #ubuntu-discuss channel .
[21:41] <danny_> Why is my .Private folder so big?
[21:42] <danny_> it is apparently 72 Gb big
[21:43] <bipul> :)
[21:43] <tripout> Okay, i'll repeat my case since i have a bad feeling about. I did a second Ubuntu installation on the same disk, so Ubuntu rearranged partitions. Now i'm unable to access my old encrypted home folder and have no idea what to to with ecryptfs because i always get error messages. I've read a few how to's where people telling me to make a tar file out of my encrypted files, but the old home folder containing just a readme a small
[21:43] <tripout> desktop-access your data files.
[21:43] <tripout> can anybody help me to restore my old files?
[21:44] <OerHeks> rearranged partitions .. encrypted home .. i guess it is lost.
[21:45] <Rarrikins> tripout: Try using `gnome-disks` to unlock the partition.
[21:45] <reisio> danny_: why wouldn't it be that big
[21:45] <OerHeks> if the partition exist, yes
[21:46] <tripout> Rarrikins, you mean package gnome-disk utility?
[21:46] <Rarrikins> tripout: Yeah, the GUI partition manager.
[21:46] <danny_> reisio, what? I only have a 150Gb hard drive
[21:47] <danny_> reisio, what is that folder for?
[21:49] <reisio> danny_: it's probably the encrypted contents of your home
[21:49] <reisio> so probably the bulk of your personal data
[21:49] <k1l_> danny_: its the actual encrypted files that are placed in Private folder
[21:49] <reisio> which is probably the bulk of your data period
[21:49] <reisio> it's not duplicated, though, so there's that
[21:51] <danny_> k1l_, I don't have a Private folder
[21:51] <k1l_> danny_: but you have encryption, right?
[21:51] <k1l_> *use
[21:52] <tgm4883> home folder encryption that is
[21:52] <danny_> k1l_, I might have selected that at install, I forget.  So .Private is a duplicate of my home that is encripted?
[21:52] <reisio> danny_: a virtual duplication
[21:52] <reisio> it's not actually taking up twice as much space
[21:53] <reisio> but if you look the "wrong" way, it may appear to be
[21:53] <danny_> reisio, so what is it functionally doing then?
[21:53] <reisio> it's encrypted data, that when you're using it (after authenticating) is virtually decrypted
[21:53] <tripout> DerHeks Ubuntu Install just resized the first partition to make some space for another installation
[21:53] <k1l_> its the actual encrypted partition. your user home isdecrypted on login from that. but its not using twice the space, as already told
[21:54] <reisio> it lives in ~/.Private, encrypted, but the system gives you transparent access to it, once authenticated
[21:54] <reisio> that you haven't noticed it till now is a testament to how well it works, really
[21:54] <jeffrey_f> is there a premade ubuntu PXE server via livecd/usb
[21:54] <reisio> although I do prefer the simplicity of encfs
[21:55] <danny_> reisio, so my home is in reallity the contents of .Private decripted at runtime then encripted and the decripted contents removed?
[21:55] <pubunt> I upgraded from 15.10 to 16.04 but uname -r still outputs previous kernel
[21:55] <pubunt> I always have this issue and I always forget the fix.... :)
[21:56] <reisio> danny_: sounds right
[21:56] <pubunt> anyone recognize what's wrong?
[21:56] <k1l_> pubunt: make sure "linux-generic" is installed
[21:56] <reisio> danny_: if you're curious, you can log out entirely as your user, switch to root (or any other user), and look around in your original user's /home/
[21:57] <pubunt> k1l_, it's installed
[21:57] <k1l_> pubunt: "lsb_release -sd" givey you what output?
[21:58] <pubunt> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[21:58] <k1l_> pubunt: and "uname -a"?
[21:58] <pubunt> I think everything is installed but uname -r shows the previous
[21:58] <pubunt> 4.2.0-27-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 22 04:49:08 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:59] <k1l_> pubunt: and "linux-generic" is installed? "dpkg -l | grep linux-generic"
[22:00] <pubunt> ii  linux-generic  <IP_ADDRESS>.36 amd64   Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers
[22:01] <k1l_> pubunt: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[22:01] <k1l_> does this pull in new updates?
[22:01] <tripout> case solved
[22:01] <tripout> data restored
[22:01] <tripout> there is a god ^^
[22:01] <z3r0x_> Anyone of you now how i get the setoolkit on ubuntu ?
[22:02] <OerHeks> tripout, so the partition didn't vanished?
[22:02] <tripout> OerHeks, nope, just resized
[22:02] <pubunt> no difference
[22:02] <k1l_> pubunt: can you run "ls -al /boot | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url?
[22:03] <pubunt> it said one package could be removed.... only change
[22:03] <tripout> will do a double backup now first
[22:03] <tripout> paniced a lot
[22:03] <pubunt> I wondering if I have to reconfigure grub or something
[22:03] <pubunt> apt-get update grub didn't change anything though
[22:03] <pubunt> what does that do?
[22:03] <k1l_> pubunt: no. apt update doesnt work that way.
[22:04] <pubunt> http://termbin.com/ymgg
[22:04] <gustavofsilva> hello
[22:04] <k1l_> pubunt: run "sudo update-grub"
[22:05] <pubunt> k1l_, I did
[22:05] <G3nTlm0N> h
[22:05] <k1l_> can you pastebin the output? and show the link
[22:05] <pubunt> I did that before starting the irc program :)
[22:07] <pubunt> http://pastebin.com/vVPk3gMt
[22:07] <backbox> hi
[22:08] <pubunt> I have Ubuntu gnome on another partition and this one is xcfe de
[22:08] <k1l_> pubunt: if finds the 4.4 kernel, just make sure to run update-grub on the OS that handles the installed grub on that machine
[22:08] <pubunt> k1l_,  yeah, that's it
[22:08] <pubunt> thanks...
[22:08] <pubunt> doh
[22:09] <k1l_> pubunt: you can have several desktops on the same ubuntu. no need to install several os
[22:09] <pubunt> k1l_, I know... one OS is my experimental :)
[22:10] <adrenaline_> hi
[22:10] <pubunt> I have an nvidia card so I upgrade versions more on this os
[22:10] <pubunt> brb... I'll try updating grub on the other
[22:11] <maxalt_> how can u switch to 14.4.5 when u are on 16
[22:11] <MonkeyDust> maxalt_  backup and reinstall 14.04
[22:11] <dax> reinstall
[22:11] <maxalt_> and how do you do that
[22:11] <maxalt_> i have the ISO
[22:12] <adrenaline_> R there a iranian developer?
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> maxalt_  boot the iso, run gparted, deleted ubuntu partition, create new, install
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> delete*
[22:12] <maxalt_> do you got skype?
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> maxalt_  skype has nothing to do with gparted
[22:13] <maxalt_> ik but u can show me how to
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> maxalt_  i'm telling yu how
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> you*
[22:13] <k1l_> maxalt_: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop
[22:14] <adrenaline_> how i can crypt files with pgp?
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> !pgp | adrenaline_
[22:16] <vega_> my first time on irc in about 15 years
[22:17] <MonkeyDust> we missed you, vega_
[22:18] <vega_> I started watching Mr Robot. If Mr Robot uses IRC in 2016, then I guess it's required of me
[22:18] <pubunt> k1l_, thanks
[22:19] <pubunt> do you think I shouldn't install multiple versions of OS, Ж)
[22:19] <pubunt> Ж)
[22:19] <MonkeyDust> vega_  this is ubuntu support, better join #ubuntu-offtopic for nice social chat
[22:19] <k1l_> pubunt: its your decision. it just did sound like you did this for changing desktops.
[22:20] <pubunt> yes, somewhat...but, I also thought I'd have one more up-to-date
[22:20] <pubunt> install a later version of graphics driver etc.
[22:20] <tripout> vega_, irc is still the best
[22:21] <pubunt> multiple desktops - just takes up space, right?
[22:21] <tripout> yeah and it's a bit messie
[22:21] <tripout> because every de has it's worn fm's and other stuff with it
[22:22] <k1l_> pubunt: yes. you can install several desktops at once on one ubuntu install. and switch them on the login screen
[22:23] <pubunt> you have to login to switch, right?  that's what I'm used to
[22:23] <pubunt> I mean - reboot - log in other or log out and re-log in?
[22:23] <apb1963_> What's the official way to tell what ppa's are installed?
[22:23] <adrenaline_> guys pls tell me about ubuntu desktop wedget packages and how i can install it
[22:23] <k1l_> no reboot needed. just choose on the login screen.
[22:24] <k1l_> apb1963_: official? look into the /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder
[22:25] <MonkeyDust> adrenaline_  you mean widgets on the desktop? there's gdesklets
[22:25] <apb1963_> k1l_: OK... and how would you remove files in that folder?  i.e. purge the ppa
[22:26] <k1l_> !ppa-purge | apb1963_
[22:26] <apb1963_> k1l_: ok... but how do you determine the arguments to that command by looking at the dir?
[22:27] <k1l_> apb1963_: look at what ppa you use.
[22:27] <apb1963_> k1l_: that's my question
[22:27] <apb1963_> k1l_: how do I determine what ppa's I'm using?  Your answer was to look in that folder.
[22:27] <OerHeks> 	lotuspsychje: OerHeks: My current ppa list.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23104192/ .. few hours back
[22:27] <OerHeks> ls  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:27] <k1l_> apb1963_: that folder is where the ppas are put in. look into the files in that folder, they contain the ppa.
[22:27] <apb1963_> yes... but how do I know what to feed ppa-purge?
[22:28] <k1l_> apb1963_: i dont understand where the problem is now :/
[22:28] <OerHeks> loot at the ppa page?
[22:28] <OerHeks> ppa:someting/something
[22:28] <k1l_> apb1963_: sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory>
[22:28] <apb1963_> Here's an example.
[22:28] <blackflow> what was that channel for next veersion of ubuntu?
[22:28] <apb1963_> cat ubuntu-wine-ppa-trusty.list
[22:28] <apb1963_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu trusty main
[22:29] <apb1963_> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu trusty main
[22:29] <k1l_> repo name and subdirectory are named in the ppa
[22:29] <apb1963_> that's the file... so what do I feed ppa-purge specifically?
[22:29] <k1l_> apb1963_: ^
[22:30] <apb1963_> k1l_: ^^
[22:30] <k1l_> apb1963_: the ppa name (url) already contains the info
[22:30] <OerHeks> easy to find at the ppa page https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:30] <pubunt> k1l_, thanks
[22:30] <ShinyShoes> is there a way to see the sudo password in plaintext while entering?
[22:30] <k1l_> ShinyShoes: no
[22:30] <ShinyShoes> like we have an option of show password in modern web UI
[22:30] <OerHeks> really, you can find this as you added it before
[22:30] <apb1963_> k1l_: so the ppa name is ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu  ?
[22:30] <k1l_> apb1963_: no
[22:31] <apb1963_> k1l_:  ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu  ?
 apb1963_: sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory>
[22:32] <apb1963_> How does one determine the repo-name from that file?
[22:32] <apb1963_> it's the host/domain no?
[22:32] <k1l_> ubuntu-wine is the repo name
[22:32] <apb1963_> ah
[22:32] <apb1963_> and so the sub dir is ppa/ubuntu?
[22:33] <k1l_> no
[22:33] <OerHeks> by reading the answers given already .. look at the ppa page ... ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[22:33] <k1l_> apb1963_: ppa is the directory name.
[22:33] <apb1963_> OerHeks: thank you but I'm trying to determine it from the file
[22:34] <k1l_> the ppa creator names the directory
[22:35] <apb1963_> k1l_: how do you know the final "ubuntu" in the path is not part of the ppa sub dir?
[22:36] <apb1963_> k1l_: Is that just a standard naming practice?
[22:36] <k1l_> yes
[22:36] <apb1963_> ok
[22:36] <apb1963_> cool.  thank you
[22:36]  * apb1963_ goes back to binging and purging
[22:38] <jeffrey_f> does anyone know of a prebuilt pxe server distro
[22:38] <hhee> hey
[22:39] <hhee> guys, does photoshop cc (2015) works in ubuntu-wine?
[22:39] <hhee> x64 or x32
[22:39] <k1l_> hhee: better see the app database from wine or ask in #wininehq
[22:39] <k1l_> !wine | hhee
[22:39] <OerHeks> hhee, check the wineHQ database, or playonlinux
[22:40] <Th3G3ntL> distrowatch.com
[22:40] <hhee> k1l_, OerHeks thx guys
[22:42] <ComputerPassion> what is the major change between 14.04 to 16.04 that makes my computer hang at clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc for 90 seconds?
[22:55] <kamild1996> Hello. Ever since I "converted" my setup to use EFI, my xubuntu takes much longer to start. How can I find out what's causing it to happen?
[22:57] <OerHeks> kamild1996, ' systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg  ' gives a nice graph about your boot, or journalctl -b -0  # for current boot, journalctl -b -1 # for last boot.
[22:58] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze blame # can give some clues
[23:00] <kamild1996> Thanks OerHeks. The .svg file is hard to look at because it lags like hell to me, but I tried "systemd-analyze blame #". What am I looking for here?
[23:01] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze blame without #
[23:02] <OerHeks> the top entries are the ones that takes most time
[23:03] <kamild1996> Seems to be "apt-daily.service" (11s). Hmm
[23:04] <olemarius> Hello
[23:05] <alesan> hello
[23:05] <antiTORTURE> where u from
[23:05] <alesan> I am trying to let a user execute a program with sudo, WITHOUT being asked for a password (this will have to run in a scripts)
[23:05] <olemarius> Norway and u?
[23:05] <alesan> alesan host = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/nvram-wakeup       <- this is what I put in visudo
[23:05] <alesan> is this correct or what? it is still asking for a password if I do sudo nvram-wakeup
[23:06] <antiTORTURE> Read please: www.antipsychiatry.org and www.stopeg.com
[23:08] <daemon55> can anybody tell me if nemo is better than nautilus
[23:10] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: Nautilus is an older more mature file manager - Nemo is still "early" and tends to crash more often (look through the wiki's about it and also look through all the "Mate" related stuff...
[23:10] <daemon55> yankdownunder what should i do to get the status bart back then
[23:11] <daemon55> bar*
[23:11] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: That option should be available in the preferences for Nautilus...have you looked/checked?
[23:12] <daemon55> yankdownunder i checked its not there im not in ubuntu 12.04
[23:12] <trickster> hello all
[23:12] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: I can't help you with how 12.04 works, mate - most everyone is on 16.04 - and things are slightly different now...
[23:13] <daemon55> i knoq im in 16.04
[23:13] <daemon55> know
[23:13] <trickster> anyone already try the online account application for google drive on ubuntu ?
[23:13] <daemon55> isnt there a plugin to enable the status bar?
[23:14] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: Ah...so you're ON 16.04...and no, it's not a plug-in...
[23:14] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: Hang on a tick - checking something about the prefs for Nautilus, bro...
[23:19] <kamild1996> Alright, fixed the long boot, just had to update fstab...
[23:19] <OerHeks> good find, double entry for swap ??
[23:20] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: in looking through the "registry" (using dconf-editor) -> there now appears to be NO such preference any longer...
[23:21] <kamild1996> It was swap, yes. Just an outdated UUID, since I recently transferred everything to a new drive, and also switched from MBR to GPT in the meantime. Should have thought about it earlier :)
[23:21] <daemon55> yankdownunder: yup
[23:22] <daemon55> yankdownunder: do you know when gnome will reimplement that feature again?
[23:22] <kamild1996> One more thing though, a rather minor one. The icon labels on desktop are weirdly offset. Happened some time ago after an apt-get upgrade. http://i.imgur.com/hRKpyoT.png
[23:22] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: As a matter of fact, in looking through the repos and such, Nautilus, regardless of how it's "touted" - appears to have lost quite a bit of "customisation"....
[23:22] <OerHeks> YankDownUnder, org > gnome > nautilus > preferences and check always-use-location-entry ?
[23:23] <th0r> YankDownUnder, also, check the View menu
[23:23] <YankDownUnder> OerHeks: Nah...
[23:24] <SupaYoshi> can someone test my highlight notification say supayoshi
[23:25] <Bashing-om> SupaYoshi: This is not the channel for testing . :)
[23:25] <SupaYoshi> ty
[23:26] <trickster> anyone already try the online account application for google drive on ubuntu ?
[23:26] <YankDownUnder> trickster: "Grive2" works quite well...
[23:27] <trickster> oki thx YankDownUnder
[23:28] <trickster> i asked that because i try the account online application that is given in ubuntu 16.04 and i ahve a few pb and and can't connect
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: It appears as though "Gnome" (I used to refer to "Gnome" as "Gee! No Me!" long ago) has decided to "keep it simple" - so, even though you can update "Gnome" on your 16.04 system, things will most likely NOT be the way you wish them to be...have you looked at using "SpaceFM" yet? It's quite powerful and gives you all the status bars you so desire... :)
[23:31] <daemon55> yankdownunder are you sure that isnt gonna crash often
[23:31] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: And for giggles and grins, as we speak, I'm "going down the unofficial path" and upgrading my "Gnome" bits (I use XFce, Englightenment, WindowMaker and KDE/Plasma, so it's not a monster thing for me)
[23:32] <daemon55> yankdownunder so what do i do?
[23:32] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: I've tested out SpaceFM quite extensively - as I do NOT like my file manglers crashing AT ALL...so, I scratched Nautilus, scratched Nevo, scratched Dolphin, scratched Thunar - and was left with Rox-Filer and SpaceFM (NO crashes whatsoever)
[23:33] <daemon55> cool
[23:33] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: Well, you can either try out a different file mangler or, well, suffer with what ya gots (Nautilus and Nemo) - or "dare to be different" - your choice...
[23:33] <daemon55> i really need it
[23:34] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: If you wait a few minutes I'll tell you if Nautilus from the "Unoffical Gnome PPA's" works...it's installing now...
[23:34] <daemon55> yankdownunder: sure
[23:37] <kamild1996> Quick question. If my PC wakes up from suspension, how do I check what caused it to wake up?
[23:44] <julian> hello
[23:45] <Guest71809> is anyone there
[23:46] <reisio> sure
[23:47] <bipul> !info RAID
[23:47] <bipul> !
[23:47] <bipul> !RAID
[23:50] <bipul> !0XFD
[23:50] <bipul> !OXFD
[23:50] <bipul> !oxfd
[23:50] <Ben64> bipul: what are you trying to do?
[23:51] <Anonaly> hi I am trying to get my andoid device(s) to be able to work on my computer (Xubuntu 16.04). I googled this problem and came up with some pages on how to edit a 51-android.rules file, and then adding myself to the plugdev group, etc,   but it is still not working
[23:51] <Netwolf> trying to see if this channel has a bot?
[23:51] <Anonaly> http://askubuntu.com/questions/461729/ubuntu-is-not-detecting-my-android-device
[23:51] <Anonaly> http://www.debugpoint.com/2016/03/how-to-access-android-devices-internal-storage-and-sd-card-in-ubuntu-linux-mint-using-media-transfer-protocol-mtp/
[23:52] <Anonaly> those are the two pages I am using the try and get this to work. I know the one is for Ubuntu 14.04, and I have 16.04,
[23:52] <bipul> Ben64, Nothing ") just trying to understand the meaning of this oxfd
[23:52] <Ben64> bipul: well... that's what google is for
[23:53] <bipul> Yes. I thought it is might be some package .
[23:53] <Ben64> Anonaly: what do you mean by getting the android device to "work on my computer" ; what device is it?
[23:54] <SupaYoshi> Hey. I am thinking / considering to raise my 755 directory permission for directories, to 775. (group have write and read permissions) instead of just user having write permission.
[23:54] <Anonaly> my wifes Samsung galaxy s6 and s3 galaxy
[23:54] <Anonaly> Ben64, my wifes Samsung galaxy s6 and s3 galaxy
[23:54] <SupaYoshi> Can someone tell me if this is a big NONO, or if this is okay, considering i am the only user in the group www-data.
[23:54] <EldonMcGuinnes> Anyone have experience setting up controllers/joypads in Ubuntu?
[23:54] <Anonaly> * and -my- s3
[23:54] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: Well...that was an adventure in NOTHING...the "new" Nautilus has no status bar, bro.
[23:55] <EldonMcGuinnes> SupaYoshi: As long as you want the group to have that kind of access your fine.
[23:55] <daemon55> lol
[23:55] <EldonMcGuinnes> err you're
[23:55] <Anonaly> is do lsusb and I can see my galaxy in the list, but nautilus/thunar do not recognize it
[23:55] <Ben64> SupaYoshi: why
[23:56] <daemon55> yandownunder: what were you trying to do??
[23:57] <YankDownUnder> daemon55: The attempt was to see if the "new" Nautilus had a status bar - which "NO" is the resounding answer...ergo, it's now turned into nothing more than a "handler for painting the desktop" and moving things around...IMHO...so, I'll still with SpaceFM...it works...
[23:57] <daemon55> try this
[23:58] <daemon55> http://askubuntu.com/questions/499734/nautilus-3-4-on-ubuntu-gnome-14-04-lts?rq=1
[23:59] <Anonaly> I guess mtp on ubuntu 16.04 just does not work :(
[23:59] <SupaYoshi> Ben64  why I want to know? Or why i'd like to do this?
[23:59] <Ben64> SupaYoshi: why do that
[23:59] <reisio> Anonaly: works as well as it does anywhere
[23:59] <SupaYoshi> I'm logging into my server over SSH to transfer files into my /www directory. with my local account.
[23:59] <reisio> mobile phones are only designed to be reliably used as wireless devices, though
[23:59] <reisio> why not just use them that way
[23:59] <SupaYoshi> That account is not the account under which apache /nginx is running