[06:29] <pandatrone> hello Mir people
[06:30] <pandatrone> i get 10-50% more FPS with glmark2 on OTA8 compared to OTA5
[06:30] <pandatrone> on mx4
[06:30] <pandatrone> good job
[10:25] <alan_g> alf_: thanks for picking up the NestedServer test issue
[10:25] <alf_> alan_g: np
[14:02] <dandrader> alan_g, need your input https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1517615
[14:03] <alan_g> dandrader: looking...
[14:03] <dandrader> alan_g, this solve https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1515921 for ChrisTownsend
[14:03] <dandrader> s/solve/solved
[14:04] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: After chatting w/ bregma about that, the "--enable-hardware-cursor" option was added back in the day as a hack to get a cursor in the Unity 8 desktop session until Unity 8 provided its own cursor.
[14:06] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: Since Unity 8 now provides its own cursor, I think the option can be safely removed.
[14:06] <alan_g> dandrader: I think enable-hardware-cursor is a USC specific "feature"
[14:06] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, I commented on the bug with my understanding on the issue
[14:07] <dandrader> alan_g, ah, so it's not about a switch for using a hardware cursor instead of a software one?
[14:07] <alan_g>             // This is a workaround for u8 desktop preview in 14.04 for the lack of client cursor API.
[14:07] <alan_g>             // We need to disable the cursor for XMir but leave it on for the desktop preview.
[14:07] <alan_g>             // Luckily as it stands they run inside seperate instances of USC. ~racarr
[14:08] <alan_g> dandrader: no, it enables a USC specific cursor
[14:08] <dandrader> alan_g, ah, ok. great. then I think we can remove not only the parameter from the lightdm call but also its implementation in usc
[14:11] <alan_g> Hmm. actually reading the code more carefully it is an option to enable the Mir cursor that defaults to disabling the cursor.
[14:14] <alan_g> dandrader: ^ - so removing the parameter is likely best.
[14:16] <dandrader> alan_g, ok
[14:29] <bregma> really, I'd leave it in u-s-c for now, because we may want that when prototyping kiosk applications, but remove it as default in lightdm (and make it a config option there)
[14:46] <alan_g> alf_: any progress on lp:1517781?
[14:46] <alf_> alan_g: Yes, but I need to perform some more testing to ensure the fix doesn't have any side effects
[14:47] <alan_g> Excellent!
[18:47] <popey> bschaefer, do you know what causes the issue on nexus 4 where sdl2 apps show two copies of the screen side-by-side?
[18:47] <bschaefer> popey, yup!
[18:47] <popey> is it an SDL/Mir issue or something which can be fixed in the game?
[18:47] <popey> good!
[18:47] <bschaefer> SDL issue
[18:47] <popey> awesome.
[18:48] <bschaefer> popey, fix is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[18:48] <bschaefer> as well as the touch screen issue
[18:48] <popey> ooooh
[18:48] <popey> which issue is that?
[18:48] <bschaefer> touch wouldnt work :)
[18:48] <popey> hah
[18:48] <popey> okay, good one to fix :)
[18:48] <bschaefer> because i made.... up = down and down = up
[18:48] <bschaefer> yeah
[18:48] <popey> lulz
[18:48] <popey> I'll build that and have a play, thanks!
[18:48] <popey> it's fun playing doom on an e4.5 :)
[18:49] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-184911.png
[18:49] <popey> :)
[18:50] <bschaefer> haha awesome!
[18:55] <popey> bschaefer, out of interest what do you build armhf things on locally?
[18:55] <popey> I'm building on a nexus 7, but feel I could probably benefit from maybe using a chromebook with more storage (and a screen and keyboard)
[18:55] <bschaefer> popey, on my N4
[18:55] <bschaefer> or cross build
[18:55] <bschaefer> from pbuilder
[18:55] <bschaefer> pbuilder-dist vivid armhf build *.dsc
[18:55] <bschaefer> popey, that could work as well
[18:55] <popey> good point
[18:56]  * bschaefer always finds arm slow to compile no matter the device :)
[18:56] <bschaefer> have to wait for the compiler to catch up
[18:58] <popey> I keep running out of space
[18:58] <popey> so thinking of a cheapo acer chromebook
[18:58] <bschaefer> popey, yeah thats my issue on N4
[18:58] <bschaefer> soo i just use the pbuilder-dist for now... copy over debs
[18:58] <bschaefer> and install thought it sucks when you need to debug
[18:59] <bschaefer> when i need to debug i've to build on a device
[19:39] <popey> hmm bschaefer it's failing to build here - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13351541/
[19:39] <bschaefer> popey, its not building mir :), hmm strange what version of mir do you have?
[19:41] <popey> bschaefer, which package should I look for version of?
[19:41] <bschaefer> mirclient-dev
[19:42] <popey>   Installed: 0.17.1+15.04.20151105.1-0ubuntu1
[19:42] <bschaefer> hmm that should be fine...
[19:42] <bschaefer> popey, try --enable-video-mir
[19:42] <bschaefer> but it should be default...
[19:43] <popey> ok
[19:44] <popey> Time passes... :)
[19:44] <mcphail> bschaefer: you can det up a symbol server and use that for remote debugging
[19:44] <mcphail> bschaefer: saves building on the device
[19:45] <bschaefer> nice ill have to look into that
[19:46] <mcphail> bschaefer: there's a good youtube vid from one of the valve developer conferences which explains it better than I could
[19:47] <bschaefer> o nice ill have to take a look
[19:48] <mcphail> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTmAknUbpB0 - about half way through that one
[20:02] <popey> bah, build failed again
[20:02] <bschaefer> :(
[20:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13351832/
[20:03] <bschaefer> says mire support = no
[20:03] <bschaefer> mir*
[20:04] <bschaefer> popey, do you have libxkbcommon-dev?
[20:04] <popey> yes, 0.4.3-2
[20:05] <bschaefer> popey, you can ... try to manually edit the configure.in
[20:05] <bschaefer> under CheckMir
[20:05] <bschaefer> to force it to be enabled... as that doesnt make much sense... something is wrong
[20:06] <bschaefer> you also have libegl1-mesa-dev?
[20:06] <popey> i do
[20:07] <bschaefer> :::(
[20:07] <bschaefer> its only been a week since i've tried this on vivid + overlay
[20:07] <bschaefer> and it worked...
[20:07] <popey> :(
[20:07]  * popey dist-upgrades
[20:07] <popey> dunno how old this tablet has got
[20:08] <popey> probably new crack since I last updated
[20:08] <bschaefer> well ... you said mir was 0.17
[20:08] <bschaefer> which is more then enough
[20:08] <bschaefer> (i just changed to 0.14/0.15)
[20:08]  * bschaefer checks again
[20:11] <popey> :(
[20:12] <mcphail> popey: can't you just cross-compile in a chroot?
[20:12] <popey> probably could, yeah
[20:12] <popey> will do if I can't get this working
[20:12] <popey> don't understand what's going wrong
[20:12] <bschaefer> checking for Mir support... yes
[20:13] <bschaefer>   Installed: 0.17.0+15.10.20151008.2+r3103~daily1~ubuntu16.04.1
[20:13] <bschaefer> hmm you have a newer version
[20:13]  * bschaefer upgrades
[20:14] <mcphail> popey: isn't it just looking for X and not finding it?
[20:14] <mcphail> (which would be expected)
[20:15] <popey> hmm
[20:15]  * mcphail doesn't recommend debuild for this kind of thing
[20:16] <mcphail> popey: the failure is on line 587
[20:16] <bschaefer> huh ... im still at 0.17.0
[20:17] <bschaefer> you can try (and it should be there?) --disable-video-x11
[20:17] <bschaefer> but it builds it
[20:17] <bschaefer> mcphail, theres the other issue of mir not building though
[20:18] <mcphail> bschaefer: probably just pkg-config looking in the wrong place
[20:19] <popey> we need an armhf ppa for your bleeding edge sdl :)
[20:19] <bschaefer> haha... well you have a better version of mir then i do (still waiting on 0.17.1 to actually fix the color format issue
[20:19] <bschaefer> popey, o wait... that clone issue *isnt* fixed in that branch
[20:19] <mcphail> bschaefer: what's the link to your repo again? I'll try building in a chroot
[20:20] <bschaefer> since im waiting for 0.17.1 :)
[20:20] <popey> ooh!
[20:20] <popey> good!
[20:20]  * popey ctrl-cs the build
[20:20] <bschaefer> (need to ask egl the pixel format is the issue)
[20:20] <mcphail> ha!
[20:20] <bschaefer> vs picking a supported one
[20:20] <popey> I don't want to push my silly dosbox click to the store with this problem
[20:20] <bschaefer> yeah
[20:20] <popey> will get angry mail from nexus 4 owners :)
[20:20] <bschaefer> i can imagine, unless they like that sort of thing
[20:21] <bschaefer> (though input would be all wonky)
[20:21] <mcphail> popey: tell them it is virtual reality
[20:21] <popey> hah, need to buy a proprietary lens and cardboard from me
[20:21] <popey> it's a shame we can't detect device in the store, and say "No to you!" for people with duff devices
[20:22] <popey> bschaefer, is there no workaround for this?
[20:22] <popey> in the app
[20:23] <popey> neverball had this issue, and I think they worked around it in the app..
[20:23] <bschaefer> popey, whats a duff device?
[20:23] <popey> nexus 4, nexus 7
[20:23] <popey> (devices where it doesn't render correctly)
[20:23] <bschaefer> but as far as sdl2 cares ... its just weather its supports the rendering library or not
[20:24] <bschaefer> hell, armhf thinks glx works because the headers exist :)
[20:24] <bschaefer> soo theres nothing to fancy for checking rendering atm
[20:24] <bschaefer> sdl2 armhf* thinks glx works because opengl installs those headers
[20:30] <popey> wonder if I can tell dosbox to request some other mode from sdl
[20:30] <popey> is there some other mode I could use maybe
[20:30] <popey> lower colour depth maybe
[20:30]  * popey is clutching at straws now
[20:34] <popey> https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch/commit/1f50b5f20d4eaa0d024379ca2363a4f2bae2f631 that's what the neverball person did
[20:39] <mcphail> try it
[20:42]  * popey rebuilds dosbox
[21:07] <popey> didn't fix it :(
[21:08] <bschaefer> popey, only way is to recompile with
[21:08] <bschaefer> umm
[21:09] <bschaefer> SDL_mirwindow.c:111:    surfaceparm.pixel_format = FindValidPixelFormat(mir_data);
[21:09] <bschaefer> to
[21:09] <bschaefer> SDL_mirwindow.c:111:    surfaceparm.pixel_format = mir_pixel_format_rgb_565;
[21:09] <bschaefer> popey, but this will cause issues on other devices (maybae?)
[21:10] <popey> hmmm
[21:11]  * popey looks for a cheeky ppa to build it in
[21:11] <bschaefer> ppas dont usually build for armf :(
[21:11] <bschaefer> armhf*
[21:11] <popey> I have one that does, on bare metal
[21:12] <bschaefer> o nice
[21:21] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/8320572
[21:21] <popey> lets see
[21:24] <mcphail> bschaefer: any chance you can persuade them to release sdl2.0.4 soon? We've been on 2.0.3 for ages and we're never going to get the mir fixes in the repos if we don't get a new version
[21:25] <popey> them being Sam?
[21:25] <mcphail> Is it all down to Sam?
[21:26] <mcphail> Looking at some of the 2.0.4 grubles on mailing lists I thought it was more complex than just going through Sam
[21:26] <bschaefer> IIRC deb is still on 2.0.2
[21:26] <bschaefer> mcphail, and i cant push upstream until the LTS is released
[21:27] <bschaefer> since upstream follows the LTS
[21:27] <mcphail> bschaefer: aah. OK
[21:27] <popey> mcphail, worth taking a snapshot of 2.0.4 and putting in this ppa for fun and lulz?
[21:27] <bschaefer> the plan is to get all the fixes merged into archive
[21:27] <bschaefer> from a ubuntu patch
[21:27] <bschaefer> but need to wait for 0.17.1 ...
[21:28] <mcphail> popey: my old sdl build was a "2.0.4" snapshot, but, of course, won't have bschaefer's fixes
[21:28] <popey> right
[21:28] <mcphail> bschaefer: presumably that isn't in OTA8?
[21:29] <bschaefer> OTA8?
[21:29] <popey> whats on the phone today
[21:29] <mcphail> bschaefer: current release on the phone
[21:29] <bschaefer> yeah its not
[21:29] <bschaefer> trying to get the patch done but got side tracked on something i have to finish for mir
[21:29] <bschaefer> before 0.18 :)
[21:29] <mcphail> :)
[21:35] <popey> hm, failed to build in the same way
[21:35] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/227045641/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-armhf.libsdl2_2.0.3~ppa1~vivid1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:35] <popey> bah
[21:36]  * popey gives up for tonight
[21:37] <popey> mcphail, is it worth (for fun) taking your 2.0.4 snapshot and integrating bschaefer's patches?
[21:37] <popey> or not worth it until 0.17.1 of mir?
[21:38] <bschaefer> it doesnt have any video drivers :(
[21:38] <bschaefer> not sure what causing the failure at the end, but even if it worked, nothing would work :)
[21:38] <mcphail> popey: don't hink it is worth it, tbh. I'm sure bschaefer's branch will be better in every way
[21:38] <popey> yeah
[21:39] <popey> I'll just play with stuff on my bq for now and not upload anything till it's working
[21:39] <mcphail> Shame
[21:39] <popey> appreciate the help chaps, this is one of the more fun parts of hacking
[21:39] <bschaefer> haha
[21:39]  * bschaefer enjoys the programming bits more
[21:39] <mcphail> A device isn't viable until it has run doom
[21:41] <bschaefer> haha


[05:29] <mpt> Flonne: Thanks for your work ... It might be acceptable to alter the packaged XSL such that all documents yelp shows get the same changes made to them. Not sure about that, though.
[05:56] <mpt> Certainly left-aligning instead of justifying would make things more readable, regardless of the document
[07:44] <jsgotangco> hey all (whoever is awake)
[07:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[07:46] <jsgotangco> hmm who is Quim Gil? Name sounds familiar
[07:47] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[07:49] <robitaille> jsgotangco: a quick google search turns out references to Guadalinex
[07:49] <robitaille> so i'm guessing he is involve with that ubuntu derivative
[07:50] <Madpilot> I've been spending a bit of time playing with this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands  -- I think it's pretty much finished...
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i see
[08:08] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:19] <jsgotangco> grr i forgot i have 2 instances of xchat running
[10:45] <mdke> nice work on BasicCommands Madpilot
[10:46] <mdke> looks great
[11:00] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[11:02] <mdke> yo
[11:07] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[11:14] <mdke> not much, still looking for a fat
[11:14] <mdke> flat
[11:17] <jsgotangco> is it that hard in your area?
[11:19] <mdke> not really, there are lots, but its really expensive in London
[11:19] <mdke> should have it sorted by tomorrow
[11:19] <jsgotangco> im sure of that
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i got my M2 today
[11:19] <mdke> cool
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i wasn't charged customs duty but its strange they charged me VAT
[11:20] <mdke> gah
[11:20] <mdke> let canonical know and i'm sure they will pick it up
[11:20] <jsgotangco> yes i had claire on it at the start
[11:20] <mdke> ah good
[11:20] <mdke> ok i have to shoot out
[11:20] <mdke> see ya later
[11:20] <jsgotangco> see ya
[04:18] <mpt> We were supposed to be having a meeting now?
[04:18] <mpt> August 17, 2005 at 14UTC
[04:26] <Burgundavia> we already finish meeting?
[04:27] <jjesse> dang did we have a meeting today?
[04:28] <mpt> If it was a meeting, it was a very, very, very quiet one
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hmm, the Calendar says so
[04:29] <mgalvin> where does it say we had a meeting today?
[04:29] <mgalvin> in launchpad?
[04:29] <mpt> Jerome's message to the list
[04:29] <mgalvin> hm, must have missed that, i didn't get it... will check archive
[04:30] <Burgundavia> grumble, it is 7am here
[04:30] <Burgundavia> and I had to bike to my brothers place to get internet because my landlord forgot to pay
[04:30] <mpt> August 11th
[04:31] <Burgundavia> we agreed to have a special meeting about the front page of yelp today
[04:31] <mgalvin> we did that quick meeting on Aug 11, b/c a bunch of people were around all at the same time
[04:32] <mgalvin> oh right, ok i see it
[04:32] <mgalvin> it was never added to the meeting agenda page
[04:32] <mgalvin> how else is around?
[04:33] <mgalvin> ping all
[04:33] <mgalvin> s/how/who/
[04:34] <mgalvin> i am sure we can start discussing it more (since you guys went to the trouble of being here on time) and just mail the list about it
[04:35] <mdke> everyone forgot the meeting I guess
[04:36] <mgalvin> seems that way... well me, mpt Bergundavia, mdke, and jjesse are here surely we can being discussing it and move it to the list later
[04:37] <jjesse> go for it :)
[04:37] <mdke> ok
[04:37] <mdke> move to #ubuntu-meeting?
[04:37] <mgalvin> yup
[05:04] <Burgundavia> 513 emails
[05:04] <mdke> short and sweet
[05:05] <mdke> i'll see you later
[06:04] <mpt> oh, you held the meeting anyway?
[06:04] <mpt> I should have been paying more attention :-)
[06:13] <mpt> sorry
[06:17] <Burgundavia> no problem
[06:18] <Burgundavia> we pretty much decided to ship the faqguide as default
[06:19] <Burgundavia> mpt, how is Ubuntu help going?
[06:21] <mpt> pretty well
[06:21] <mpt> It should be in a shippable state well before doc string freeze, I think
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I currently don't have internet at hom (I am at my brother place), so I have not been able to look at it yet
[06:23] <jjesse> Burgundavia: grin i only have dial up at home :(
[06:23] <mpt> The major holes in it are things for which I need to install Breezy, which I'll do over the next couple of days
[06:23] <mpt> :( doesn't look like a grin :-)
[06:24] <Burgundavia> jjesse, my landlord forgot to pay. I usually have really nice high-speed. One of the advantages of living in one of the most wired countries in the world
[06:24] <mpt> and things for which there seem to be no docs at all, e.g. "how to copy files from your Ubuntu machine to a Windows machine"
[06:24] <jjesse> high speed is currently not in the budget
[06:25] <Burgundavia> jjesse, where do you live?
[06:25] <mpt> oh yeah, and "how to connect with a dialup modem" :-)
[06:25] <jjesse> michigan
[06:25] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:25] <jjesse> its either comcrap cable, sbc, or tds metrowait
[06:26] <jjesse> they all suck and the phone lines in the house i bough suck more
[08:57] <rob^> hey
[08:57] <rob^> dam I must have missed the meeting
[08:57] <mpt> Everybody did :-)
[08:58] <rob^> was it moved?
[08:58] <rob^> my daughter is sick and is in hospital, so its been a hectic few days for me
[08:58] <mpt> I was here at 1400, went back to work at 1430 after nothing had happened, and it started after that
[08:59] <mpt> How is she?
[08:59] <rob^> pretty sick, she is on antibiotics via a drip
[09:00] <rob^> they thing meningitis
[09:00] <rob^> think ^
[09:00] <mpt> that's not good
[09:00] <rob^> I haven't slepted in two days..
[09:00] <mpt> Meningitis is epidemic in NZ at the moment
[09:01] <rob^> yeah, we had a lot of people at work from over seas including NZ lately
[10:11] <fl> hi there
[10:11] <rob^> hey
[10:11] <fl> nice, it's so, so, how should I say this, silent :-)
[10:12] <rob^> hmm the sun is comming up..
[10:12] <fl> well, my Sun is shutting down right now. At least the small one.
[10:13] <fl> just wanted to take a quick peep at who hanging out here... have a nice day!
[10:13] <rob^> my Suns run 24/7
[10:13] <fl> I'll try to have something about the powerbook install later the week
[10:14] <fl> hmm, the small SPARCstation Voyager can shutdown for the night. The other ones keep running...
[10:14] <fl> hehe
[10:14] <rob^> we have a couple of Sun Ultra Enterprise 3000s
[10:15] <fl> they are cool, but pretty loud under a desk
[10:15] <rob^> sharing a  SPARC array
[10:15] <rob^> yeah, they are in a seperate room
[10:15] <fl> I'm still hanging on to the Voyager, and some old 10s and a 20
[10:15] <fl> just so nice for the desktop
[10:16] <fl> tough sometimes they seem to be creeping along when compiling stuff. sigh.
[10:16] <rob^> never been one to use Sun for a desktop machine
[10:16] <rob^> I know a guy who is a Sun nut who does
[10:17] <rob^> too expensive
[10:17] <fl> oh well, question of availability. Mine had a 20'' monitor at times when the PC standard in the office was 14''. Go figure...
[10:17] <rob^> yeah
[10:17] <rob^> lucky you
[10:18] <rob^> I'm looking at a 20'' crt now, they are big suckers
[10:18] <fl> hehe. _And_ the Win admin didn't dare touch it lest he broke things :-)
[10:18] <rob^> heh the one where I work does
[10:19] <rob^> I had to teach him how to use vi the other day
[10:19] <fl> touch things or break things?
[10:19] <rob^> he broke my carefully crafted system checking scripts
[10:19] <rob^> so more of the latter
[10:20] <fl> hmm. sounds like "fingers off or fingers off"
[10:20] <rob^> heh yeah
[10:20] <rob^> at least hes keen to learn
[10:21] <rob^> rather funny watching him try to use vi I must say
[10:21] <fl> that's something. Lots of people just lack curiosity...
[10:21] <fl> tell him about the vi mug :-)
[10:21] <rob^> :) yeah
[10:21] <fl> that's something nice to get someone started
[10:21] <rob^> maybe we might all chip in for one for a christmas present
[10:22] <fl> ok, so I'll leave you now. Moon's up, wife's been calling
[10:22] <rob^> yeah, I better get some sleep
[10:22] <fl> see you, rob^
[10:22] <rob^> cya


[04:55] <Noskcaj> darkxst, To vivid
[04:55] <Noskcaj> libgit2 has been bumped past what our current -glib supports to allow kde to work
[05:36] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok fine by me, may need a FFe though?
[05:39] <darkxst> although I guess it won't be seeded, so maybe not
[05:42] <darkxst> Noskcaj, did you get the build to work? fine, here in jhbuild
[06:20] <Noskcaj> darkxst, No, i've not looked since this morning
[06:25] <darkxst> maybe that symbol was added in libgit2-glib 0.23, didnt check that though
[08:41] <raeth> Hello.
[08:42] <raeth> is there a way to have trancarency in the terminal on Ubuntu-Gnome
[08:43] <darkxst> raeth, its there in vivid
[08:43] <raeth> vivid ?
[08:43] <raeth> what is it ?
[08:43] <darkxst> 15.04
[08:44] <JockeTF> Works fine for me on 14.10 as well.
[08:44] <raeth> oh, is it released ?
[08:44] <darkxst> next month its released, but beta builds are available now
[08:44] <JockeTF> Just needed to change the profile settings and restart the terminal.
[08:44] <raeth> i see
[08:44] <darkxst> JockeTF, are you using the ppa's?
[08:45] <JockeTF> darkxst: Ah, yes. The GNOME 3 one.
[08:45] <raeth> what must i do on the profile settings JockeTF
[08:46] <JockeTF> raeth: Just changed the transparency setting. But you'd probably need to upgrade the terminal too then... I wouldn't recommend that unless you know what you're doing.
[08:47] <raeth> i'm newbe on linux :)
[08:48] <raeth> i would like to know how to change gnome themes please ?
[08:48] <darkxst> raeth, use gnome-tweak-tool, but you need to find themes first
[08:48] <darkxst> you could try deviantart for that
[08:48] <raeth> ok thank you :)
[08:49] <darkxst> raeth, or make your own if you know CSS!
[08:50] <raeth> what is CSS ?
[08:54] <raeth> i only have Tweak-tool, is it the same thing than Gnome-Tweak-tool ?
[08:55] <JockeTF> raeth: Tweak Tool in the menu is the same thing as gnome-tweak-tool, yes.
[08:56] <JockeTF> raeth: CSS is a language for styling. It is used to create the styles of every website you visit. It is also used by GNOME to define how themes should look.
[08:57] <raeth> ok thank you :)
[08:58] <raeth> i downloaded a theme but i can not find how to run it in tweak-tool
[09:00] <darkxst> raeth, you need to have the "user themes" extension enabled (part of gnome-shell-extensions)
[09:00] <darkxst> and then you put the theme in ~/.local/share/themes or something like that
[09:03] <raeth> ok thank you very much :)
[10:32] <MooDoo> morning all
[19:46] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do you want to upload gnome-backgrounds 3.16 before the freeze?
[20:58] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, https://launchpad.net/~webkit-team/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+sourcepub/4857503/+listing-archive-extra -- https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201021470/webkit2gtk_2.7.92-0ubuntu1~vivid1_2.8.0-0ubuntu1~15.04~webkitteam1.diff.gz


[12:51] <coreymon77> does anyone have a clue how to use netatalk (appletalk for linux(
[12:51] <coreymon77> )
[01:38] <Riddell> mhb: did you upload your SoC code to google?
[01:38] <Riddell> coreymon77: people still use appletalk?
[01:38] <Riddell> coreymon77: it's just a daemon as far as I remember, you need macs to be clients (and I don't know if even mac OS still does appletalk)
[01:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: you are wrong with both
[01:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: appletalk is still used
[01:56] <nixternal> rarely, but yes
[01:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: and kubuntu can do it too
[01:56] <stdin> http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/index.html maybe?
[01:56] <coreymon77> i took a look there
[01:56] <coreymon77> but its all gibberish to me
[01:56] <nixternal> all of the newer gen macs are just straight up tcp/ip...actually been that way for quite a few years now
[02:00] <coreymon77> they are
[02:00] <coreymon77> well then what is my brand new macbook doing using appletalk?
[02:01] <Riddell> that's a good question, what does it use it for?
[02:02] <coreymon77> some file transfers
[02:02] <nixternal> well that is silly
[02:02] <nixternal> AppleTalk is a proprietary suite of protocols developed by Apple Inc for computer networking. It was included in the original Macintosh (1984) and is now deprecated by Apple in favor of TCP/IP networking.
[02:03] <Riddell> err, yes, there's bonjour and webdav and smb for that these days
[02:03] <nixternal> it has  been deprecated for over 5 years almost now
[02:03] <stdin> I'm sure they still implement it, but I doubt by default
[02:03] <nixternal> it isn't anywhere on the iMac I have here
[02:03] <nixternal> how can I access it coreymon77? I am a mactard
[02:03] <nixternal> this isn't even my mac
[02:04] <nixternal> $> locate appletalk
[02:04] <nixternal> $>
[02:04] <nixternal> nadda
[02:05] <nixternal> I asked my buddy if I could borrow an iMac to see what all of te hype is with OS X...and so far...I am confused as all hell
[02:05] <nixternal> I keep thinking I have closed/quit an app, but nooooooo, it just hides itself
[02:05] <nixternal> ooh, biggest loser is on tv...back in a few
[02:12] <uga> guys, after spending some time googling, trying both feisty and gutsy live CDs with no luck to boot properly, I found the solution for my prob...
[02:12] <uga> it's an asus board, p5k SE, with an Intel core2 quad, sata disk and DVD connected to IDE
[02:12] <uga> the CD will start booting, but the process will stop later, complaining about not being able to access tty
[02:13] <uga> the problem seems that, just like tons of other live CDs, they don't find the DVD drive
[02:13] <uga> I found the solution on some google forum. It prompts for a error msg, but after that it keeps reading the DVD just fine and starts up
[02:14] <uga> just added generic.generic_ide_all=1 to the boot menu, iirc
[02:15] <uga> anyone knows what's it all about. Sorry for the lack of punctuation in my typing... my kb layout is seriously broken
[02:16] <uga> I think it'd be quite interesting if the possible fix made it into the next live CDs...
[02:28] <uga> anyway, if you want testing or information, you'll get me around at #kubuntu possibly, or privmsg me. I'm installing and rebooting soon so I'll part
[02:29] <uga> else have fun. It's not my issue anymore ,)
[02:43] <seele> for those of you who lurk in #kubuntu.. what would you say is the most frequent problem/asked question?
[02:43] <Jucato> codecs :)
[02:43] <Jucato> and video card drivers
[02:44] <seele> ah, figures
[02:45] <Jucato> there might be others. I don't do 24-hour shifts in there. stdin? :)
[02:45] <stdin> codecs, ntfs and wifi (in that order)
[02:46] <seele> stdin: ntfs as in sharing an ntfs partition?
[02:46] <seele> i didn't know wifi was still a major problem.  is it managing connections or getting drivers to work?
[02:47] <stdin> as in "oh me, oh my, why can't I write to my windows partition!!!11?" :[
[02:47] <seele> lol
[02:47] <Jucato> hahah
[02:48] <stdin> wifi is probably the 2nd most frequent issue, especially when for some reason they just can't get a wired connection either
[02:49] <stdin> but my #1 factoid is !mp3
[02:49] <Jucato> my #2 would be ati/nvidia.. I rarely get/field the ntfs and wireless questions...
[02:50] <Jucato> oh compiz/beryl would be 4th or 5th I think...
[02:50] <stdin> I've seen 3 in the last couple hours
[02:51] <Jucato> like I said, I don't do 24-hour shifts :)
[02:51] <stdin> actually, RE the driver page, the question normally is "Where is "System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager" "
[02:51] <stdin> even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10"
[02:51] <Jucato> which of course wouldn't exist in KDE/Kubuntu
[02:51] <stdin> and I know it's there, I put it there :p
[02:52] <Jucato> seele: oh btw, how's the HIG coming along?
[02:52] <stdin> but that's the state of the whole help.u.c and wiki.u.c, all gnomeified
 even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10" <--- follow instructions for Ubuntu?
[02:52] <seele> i dunno.. i havent touched it since June to finish my graduate thesis
[02:52] <Jucato> and how's your thesis coming along? :)
[02:52] <stdin> Jucato: there are no "Kubuntu" instructions, just "Ubuntu 6.10"
[02:52] <Jucato> it's the Wordpress help thing right?
[02:53] <Jucato> oh...
[02:53] <seele> it's "finished".. hopefully i'm turning it in this week if my advisor ever gets back to me on a meeting
[02:53] <Jucato> yay! \o/\o/
[02:53] <seele> no, the wordpress thing was google summer of code
[02:53] <seele> my thesis is more information architecture related..
[02:53] <Jucato> ah ok.. haha mixed them up. sorry :)
[02:53] <seele> i developed a new protocol for a common data gathering protocol and verified it through experimentation
[02:53] <seele> standard academic bull---
[02:54] <Jucato> lol
[02:54] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! how was sleep? :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not long enough :P
[02:57] <Jucato> hehe I thought so :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping
[05:04] <Hobbsee> allee: ^
[05:08] <nixternal> howdy Hobbsee
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[05:09] <Jucato> howdy nixternal
[05:09] <Jucato> howdy Hobbsee
[05:09] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[05:09] <Jucato> for you cat and mac lovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YNhs-RSs4
[05:09] <Jucato> hahah
[05:09] <Jucato> hm... suddenly I have a craving for sushi...
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[05:15] <nixternal> it is a warm one here in chicago tonight
[05:15] <Jucato> opposite here
[05:17] <nixternal> my favorite time of the year is coming...pretty much the best thing about the US...is the fall
[05:17] <daSkreech> The fall of the US ?
[05:18] <nixternal> daSkreech: it is happening slowly
[05:18] <nixternal> :)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: recurring ping @ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/139563
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139563 in libgphoto2 "Wish: libgphoto2 2.4.0 for Gusty: Testers needed" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ( as in, please pong me about this when i get back)
[06:28] <daSkreech> Lunch?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> work
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i should find lunch though.
[06:58] <n8k99> bah nixternal and his math problems page!
[07:03] <daSkreech> http://projecteuler.net ?
[07:05] <n8k99> daSkreech: yeah that's the one
[07:07] <n8k99> trying to make a sieve of eratothenes in python
[07:16] <nixternal> :)
[08:33] <mhb> Riddell: of course
[08:34] <Jucato> you are a lot like daSkreech, it seems... :)
[08:34] <daSkreech> am not!
[08:34] <Jucato> :P
[08:35] <daSkreech> Alright forget this
[08:35] <daSkreech> Clamav has been scanning for 5 hours
[08:35] <Jucato> go to sleep!
[08:36] <daSkreech> Sleeeeeeeeeeeeep
[08:38] <Jucato> lol
[08:40] <daSkreech> Jucato: the order you put them on affects how they grow
[08:40] <daSkreech> Night :)
[08:40] <Jucato> yeah heheh
[08:40] <Jucato> good night! :)
[09:30] <_StefanS_> mornings!
[09:30] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!!
[09:31] <_StefanS_> hey you're up !
[09:31] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:31] <_StefanS_> isn't it late ?
[09:31] <Jucato> your psychic powers were wrong yesterday btw :)
[09:31] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:31] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:31] <Jucato> late in the afternoon? yes
[09:31] <_StefanS_> wasnt sure about the time difference, its 09.31 in the morning here
[09:32] <Jucato> 6 hours
[09:32] <_StefanS_> ah ok, thats not much
[09:32] <Jucato> exactly 6 hours :)
[09:32] <Jucato> just hit 15:32 heheh
[09:32] <_StefanS_> then I would get off work :)
[09:33] <Jucato> heheh
[09:33] <Jucato> see you later then? :)
[09:33] <_StefanS_> well.. I'm getting the last of the hardware I ordered today, so I cant wait to assemble the whole thing
[09:33] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:34] <Jucato> hehe you're like a child playing with lego
[09:34] <_StefanS_> something like that heeh
[09:34] <_StefanS_> I liked lego back in the day also
[09:34] <Jucato> me too
[09:34] <_StefanS_> even won a few prices as a kid ;)
[09:34] <Jucato> and I was soooo frustrated I couldn't make them transform :(
[09:35] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:35] <_StefanS_> so any kubuntu related news?
[09:35] <Jucato> hm... notice how boring it is without Riddell? :)
[09:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: not much if you read The Elephant ... :o) hehe
[09:36] <_StefanS_> when is he back btw?
[09:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: (jokingly referring to my blogpost at planet)
[09:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: a week or so
[09:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: lemme read it :)
[09:36] <Jucato> it's one of mhb's few blog posts. so read it well :)
[09:36] <_StefanS_> I cant find it.
[09:37] <Jucato> Martin Bhm?
[09:37] <mhb> the elephant?
[09:37] <mhb> :o)
[09:37] <Jucato> Martin Bhm the elephant? O.o
[09:37] <Jucato> doesn't sound funky hehehe
[09:37] <mhb> Jucato: I wish.
[09:38] <_StefanS_> I think the article got expired in akregator actually..
[09:38] <Jucato> mhb: btw, were you able to come in when both Riddell and manchicken were around? they slightly discussed the package manager issue
[09:38] <Jucato> it's just new
[09:38] <Jucato> why would akregator kill it? unless it doesn't like mhb or elephants :P
[09:38] <_StefanS_> I use expiry to keep the db kinda small
[09:39] <Jucato> aaah
[09:39] <Jucato> but my mail directory far exceeds it in size
[09:39] <_StefanS_> did anyone else notice fonts just got alot fuzzier with todays updates?
[09:40] <Jucato> I haven't restarted since the upgrades, but according to #ubuntu-devel and Hobbsee, yest
[09:40] <Jucato> freetype update
[09:40] <_StefanS_> hmjm
[09:40] <mhb> Jucato: no, was it today on this channel?
[09:41] <_StefanS_> I sure hope subpixel hinting is still enabled
[09:41] <_StefanS_> dont see why it wasn't previously...
[09:41] <Jucato> mhb: approximately 15 hours ago?
[09:41] <Jucato> I hate not being able to understand/see/notice all those fonts and subtle graphics stuff
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what do you mean?
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on your lcd it should be very visible with antialias/hinting
[09:43] <Jucato> when people start talking about the subtleties of fonts, I don't notice those at once
[09:43] <Jucato> you'd have to hit me on the head with a size 72 san serif font first
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: right now, the fonts got "colored" in the edges
[09:43] <Jucato> sans*
[09:43] <_StefanS_> uhm k
[09:43] <Jucato> maybe because my default font size is 8 so they're too small to notice?
[09:43] <_StefanS_> nope, I run 8 aswell
[09:43] <Jucato> or maybe because I haven't restarted KDE yet
[09:43] <Jucato> Uptime: 8 hours and 23 minutes
[09:44] <Jucato> since I woke up :)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> start a new app now, and compare to the previous konqueror or something
[09:44] <_StefanS_> you can easily see the difference
[09:44] <Jucato> nada... get that size 72 ready to hit me :)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> hehe, find your glasses
[09:45] <mhb> Jucato: thanks, haven't read it
[09:45] <Jucato> I've been wearing them all day :)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> hehe, I borrowed some glasses from a dealer because I thought my vision got kinda bad in the past 1-2 years.
[09:45] <_StefanS_> well..
[09:45] <Jucato> _StefanS_: this incapability to notice these things irks me to no small degree :(
[09:46] <mhb> Riddell: why do we want to code The Future Kubunt Package Manager in Python? Package manager gets run quite often, so it may be more useful to code it in C++.
[09:46] <_StefanS_> when I got the glasses on, everything just zoomed 10% up, and I had no vision in the surroundings
[09:46] <Jucato> as someone very intersted in computer graphics and GUIs (and usability) this is annoying..
[09:46] <Jucato> mhb: I thought you wanted to write it in Python? O.o
[09:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: +1 for that thought.
[09:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: although you can maybe use python as glue .
[09:48] <_StefanS_> I think "Add/Remove programs"/"Manage Packages"/"Adept Updater" is just confusing since its the same program
[09:49] <_StefanS_> I never know which one to choose :)
[09:49] <Jucato> Add/Remove Programs is the one I want to go.. but that can't happen until Adept Manager's UI improves a bit
[09:49] <Jucato> well Adept Updater is self-explanatory.. :P
[09:49] <_StefanS_> yes, but what if you want to run Adept Updater manually? without having the notifier icon ?
[09:49] <Jucato> Add/Remove-Adept Installer and Adept Manager are the ones most confusing to users
[09:49] <_StefanS_> please enlighten me.
[09:49] <Jucato> adept_updater
[09:49] <mhb> Jucato: gtkmm perhaps? But you are right, it is easier to work with a language like Python when ti
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: from the menu ?? :)
[09:50] <Jucato> Adept Manager? :)
[09:50] <mhb> when creating a KDE/GNOME portable app
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hehe just my point.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Adept Manager for updates? :)
[09:50] <_StefanS_> its broken.
[09:50] <Jucato> Adept Manager for Everything :)
[09:50] <mhb> my opinion: do a Common Package Manager for KDE and GNOME, then talk with Ubuntuers about it
[09:51] <_StefanS_> yes! +1 for that
[09:51] <_StefanS_> and slap a gui on top.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> for kde and gnome
[09:51] <mhb> it being Manager/Add/remove and so on
[09:51] <Jucato> if you could find a way to do that in C/C++ all the better :P
[09:51] <_StefanS_> oh jeez.. I need to fix a bug in knm
[09:51] <Jucato> one that doesn't use D-Bus? :)
[09:51] <_StefanS_> D-Butt
[09:52] <_StefanS_> just kidding.. dbus is one of the better things that happened to linux in the past years
[09:52] <Jucato> you know.. it would be nice if there was a time when something new/innovative came from Kubuntu and then Ubuntu had to catch up with it :)
[09:52] <Jucato> we really look like playing catch up with Ubuntu for most of our users...
[09:52] <Jucato> well not most maybe.. some
[09:52] <_StefanS_> got any ideas to put behind it ? :)
[09:53] <mhb> Jucato: aren't we?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> or to back it I mean ;)
[09:53] <Jucato> proof?
[09:53] <Jucato> ideas to back the "Kubuntu is playing catch up"?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> ideas for innovative stuff
[09:53] <_StefanS_> yes
[09:53] <Jucato> still thinking...
[09:53] <Jucato> I don't want to be throwing ideas that are technically impossible :)
[09:54] <Jucato> mhb: we are... most of the time... whether that's good or not. I don't know :)
[09:55] <mhb> Jucato: just teach the Ubuntu devs to write portable apps
[09:55] <Jucato> or ask them to invite us to work on it simultaneously? but I guess were too shorthanded for that..
[09:55] <mhb> Jucato: so that writing a KDE frontend doesn't mean reshuffling the core of the app
[09:56] <Jucato> I guess we're lucky a lot is being made with Python...
[09:57] <mhb> is it possible to find out whether a library is present in ubuntu-desktop?
[09:57] <mhb> even though it is not directly dependent on it
[10:02] <mhb> Jucato: and I think the fact that we're lacking has a lot to do with us being a community project
[10:03] <mhb> Jucato: who can step up and say "Oh, I've implemented a crucial feature for Kubuntu Gutsy that was in Ubuntu previously, and I haven't been paid for it?"
[10:03] <mhb> I can't
[10:03] <Jucato> I think that fact is lost in transmission over to the users.... :(
[10:04] <Jucato> (great! export to gallery suddenly doesn't work...)
[10:04] <Jucato> (well not suddenly.. haven't tried since edgy..)
[10:07] <mhb> Jucato: you'll be my hero if you wrote a spec for Kubuntu Hardy and managed to implement it without any financial gain from it
[10:07] <Jucato> I'll be my own hero if I could write a spec. period :)
[10:08] <mhb> Jucato: ^^ that is what needs to be done in order to be in level with Ubuntu. We can a) either build a community so strong that it does that or b) somehow get Canonical to support KDE more.
[10:08] <mhb> Jucato: and I'm not sure which idea is more absurd :o)
[10:08] <Jucato> b) would be a dream come true :)
[10:10] <larsivi> Heya - X crash at startup (after the last few updates and me testing connecting an external monitor) - seems to be a problem in the intel driver
[10:10] <larsivi> at least the backtrace suggests so
[10:11] <mhb> larsivi: good to know! But there's little we Kubuntuers can do, better file a bug about it.
[10:12] <larsivi> hmpf ;P
[10:19] <larsivi> but lynx won't let me log on to launcpad :D
[10:20] <mhb> no?
[10:21] <larsivi> maybe it's my problem, I can do it on this computer in any case
[10:22] <mhb> Riddell: Has apport got an icon?
[10:23] <mhb> Riddell: it would be useful to do a .desktop file for apport, so that when it needs the additional privileges, it shows an icon.
[10:28] <mhb> Riddell: also, something like http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4962/apportcrashtz7.png was implemented for kdesudo, too bad you haven't made use for it.
[10:30] <mhb> Riddell: I apologize for bugging you that much while you're on holiday, I guess we can leave it for Hardy
[10:33] <larsivi> mhb: bug 137225 - It is related to KDE/Kubuntu as it is the KDE system settings/monitor section that mess up xorg.conf
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137225 in xorg "[gutsy]  [regression]  xorg crashes with segfault after having used displayconfig-gtk to set up a second display (new "intel" driver)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137225
[11:21] <_StefanS_> mhb: I saw the elephant now, like the wallpaper :)
[11:22] <_StefanS_> mhb: a bit dark maybe, but that can probably be adjusted a bit
[11:26] <mhb> _StefanS_: sure, that could be adjusted. Do you like it more than the current gutsy wallpaper?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep, I think this one has more weight that a few strokes on a blue background
[11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: also signals some humanism to it i think
[11:27] <_StefanS_> even though its elephant skin ;)
[11:27] <mhb> _StefanS_: I like the idea, too
[11:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: hmm, checked the release schedule, it seems tomorrow's the final artwork deadline.
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: push push push..  :)
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: ask kwwii_ and so on
[11:30] <mhb> _StefanS_: heh, I would love to push it, but I don't think Ken could be convinced, he designed the current wallpaper, after all.
[11:30] <_StefanS_> yes I knoiw
[11:31] <mhb> and he has already seen the wallpaper, so I guess he hasn't got as much enthusiasm on pushing it as I do (that is understandable, I'm not a graphic artist)
[11:33] <_StefanS_> well..
[11:34] <_StefanS_> maybe it could be included as an optional wallpaper in /usr/share/ maybe
[11:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: I think there will be a Universe package of the proposed Ubuntu wallpapers. Not sure if it will work for Kubuntu.
[11:35] <_StefanS_> uhm ok..
[11:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: perhaps we could konvince (heh) kwwii_ to do a animal-based wallpaper for Hardy, or just reuse this one :o)
[11:37] <_StefanS_> oh that might be the way to go, since its open for suggestions
[11:55] <Riddell> mhb: I don't know if it has an icon, I suspect not
[11:55] <Riddell> mhb: patches welcome of course
[12:00] <mhb> Riddell: okay, will do some for Hardy.
[12:03] <marseillai> hi.
[12:04] <marseillai> a question : what do i need to copy to transfer my kwallet from a pc to another?
[12:04] <larsivi> marseillai: .kde/share/apps/kwallet/* I think
[12:41] <mhb> kwwii: have you seen my discussion with _StefanS_ before you changed from kwwii_ to kwwii? Also, have you seen the comments at the blog post I asked permission for? http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/the-elephant-rocks/
[12:42] <mhb> kwwii: I just wanted to show that people seem to like the animal-related background idea.
[12:42] <mhb> feel free to ignore me, naturally :o)
[12:43] <kwwii> mhb: yeah, I saw that...a few issues though
[12:43] <kwwii> 1) those backgrounds are only 1280x1024
[12:44] <kwwii> that being the most important part...I was going to include them in the default wallpaper set (not set as default, but always installed)
[12:44] <kwwii> but because they are not big enough it won't work
[12:45] <kwwii> personally, I like the elephant bg as well, but it is a bit too dirty looking for a default wallpaper
[12:45] <kwwii> and we had a long discussion about using animal stuff
[12:45] <kwwii> with abstract pics we have no worries about cultural connotations
[12:46] <kwwii> whereas with something specific like an animal we do not know how different cultures will view them
[12:49] <mhb> kwwii: ah, thanks for the clarifications. I am not sure about the culture clash, we already have a name that is very culture-based and it is foreign especially in the Western parts of the world, but it doesn't seem to stop Ubuntu user adoption.
[12:52] <mhb> kwwii: anyway, thank you very much for the information. See you later!
[01:12] <Tonio_> hey
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: just reuploaded kdebase with the final fix the the $kdehome thing, it was not good as $kdehome=$HOME/.kde and we used $HOME/$kdehome
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should not have a home/ folder coming in the $home now :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also started triaging the milestone bugs for the beta release
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I looked at this bug :
[01:13] <Tonio_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/123808
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123808 in network-manager-applet "NetworkManager Applet should not be started on LTSP Thin Clients" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we also patch knetworkmanager not to start on ltsp clients ?
[01:16] <Riddell> I guess so
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do this
[01:18] <marseillai> mmmmmmmmm
[01:19] <marseillai> is it normal that I have a home/user directory in my user directory in gutsy ?
[01:25] <Tonio_> marseillai: will be fixed with next kdebase upload
[01:26] <marseillai> oki Tonio_
[01:48] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_!
[01:48] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ :)
[02:45] <seele> nixternal: wouldn't fall in the US only apply to the north east?
[02:46] <seele> maybe way north too.. like the bordering states
[02:51] <Hobbsee> mhb: you could make a separate kubuntu one, or add it to the ubuntu wallpapers one
[03:10] <Lure> Tonio_: knetworkmanager 0.2.1 should be soon - not sure if we should pick-up bug fixes from svn before
[03:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: did not get from libgphoto2 that you are also release team ;-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah.  i'm on both teams, yes :)
[03:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: and that you can also +1 for main freeze exceptions ;-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[03:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: it seems dholbach uploaded it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:11] <Lure> btw, are daily cds any good?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> no idea.  i odubt it
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya
[03:14] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:14] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:27] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, depends on the changesz
[03:27] <Lure> Tonio_: just bug fixes
[03:27] <Tonio_> Lure: afaik, the current version works like a charm for most people ;)
[03:28] <Tonio_> Lure: okay so maybe we should just wait for the official release, as long as it is not too late :)
[03:28] <Lure> Tonio_: check this thread http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-networkmanager/2007-September/000212.html
[03:29] <Lure> Tonio_: even _StefanS_ replied
[03:29] <Tonio_> Lure: super, will read this, thanks :)
[03:42] <jjesse> morning :)
[04:26] <nixternal> seele: that is true about fall...fall in chicago is really nothing more than the construction workers taking a day or 2 off...the leaves here go from green, to red, to gone in a matter of days
[04:35] <jjesse> nixternal: i figured out that question i emailed you about
[04:36] <nixternal> ya, cuz you had me stumped with it
[04:37] <jjesse> let me look at the change i made hold on
[04:38] <jjesse> instaed of /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions im using /lib/lsb/init-functions
[04:38] <jjesse> and it works w/o any problems
[04:38] <manchicken_> Anybody else having some problems with the KDE sound system lately?
[04:39] <manchicken_> brb
[04:41] <manchicken> That's better.
[04:44] <nixternal> I always have a problem with the sound system, but that isn't KDE's fault, it is *buntu's in general
[04:47] <Jucato_> manchicken: have you seen marseillai's question for you in #kubuntu ?
[04:48] <manchicken> Jucato_: Naw, could you tell me what it is?
[04:48] <marseillai> it's about adept and auto-clean
[04:48] <marseillai> hi manchicken
[04:48] <Jucato_> :)
[04:48] <Jucato_> hi manchicken, hi marseillai
[04:48] <manchicken> No I'm not, but thanks for asking :)
[04:48] <manchicken> heh
[04:48] <manchicken> What's goin' on?
[04:49] <marseillai> manchicken: in fact i remember (but may be i'm wrong) see in adept a feature wich allow to set a time for apt-get autoclean. but i can't find it anymore in adept gutsy
[04:54] <manchicken> I do not remember such a function.
[04:54] <marseillai> so
[04:54] <manchicken> If it is there it'd probably be in the notifier.
[04:54] <marseillai> it's me
[04:55] <manchicken> Unfortunately :)
[04:55] <Jucato_> :)
[04:55] <marseillai> yes Jucato_ i must be crazy
[04:56] <Jucato_> nah you're not. Adept is :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> oh, bugger.  anyone done a security fix before?
[04:59] <manchicken> No, it's marseillai, I'm pretty sure.
[04:59] <manchicken> Hobbsee: What manner of security fix?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> CVE-2007-4569
[05:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ^
[05:00] <manchicken> Sorry, I don't know how to look that one up
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ubotu: CVE-2007-4569
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cve-2007-4569 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <Hobbsee> damned bot.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> it usually looks up cve
[05:00] <Hobbsee> s
[05:01] <Hobbsee> oh, here.  http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070919-1.txt
[05:01] <marseillai_> thanks for not blaming me too much Jucato ! :)
[05:02] <manchicken> Oh, okay, so there's already a fix.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:02] <manchicken> Sounds like a pretty simple solution then :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i was more meaning for SRU's.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: stable release updates.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> well, stable releases in particular
[05:06] <allee> Hi Hobbsee.  You've ping me, but I didn't get why :-0
[05:06] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I have done a few security fixes now
[05:06] <nixternal> KTorrent, Smb4k, and some other ones
[05:06] <Hobbsee> allee: only in conjunction with lure about the libghoto2 getting approved.
[05:07] <Lure> hi allee
[05:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: were you wanting to handle it for dapper --> gutsy?
[05:08] <Lure> allee: do you plan to backport fixes for digikam? if you pass me the list from gilles I can maybe find some time over weekend to work on this
[05:08] <nixternal> I can do that...does it have to be done right now, or can it wait a couple of hours...the feminine side has come out in me, and I feel like going shopping for clothes and shoes :)
[05:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Ah.  Don't know about that one.
[05:08] <Lure> allee: btw, did you see decision on dcraw license - it looks good
[05:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I don't think anybody's crazy enough to let me drive one of those.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha.  you crazy bloke :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: right
[05:08] <nixternal> hehe
[05:09] <manchicken> nixternal: There's no stereotype, we all know your feminine side is pretty much all there is :P
[05:09] <nixternal> is that cool though Hobbsee...it will only take a few minutes to get them all done
[05:09] <nixternal> damn manchicken, I didn't want everyone to know
[05:09] <allee> Hobbsee: ok
[05:09] <allee> Lure: hi
[05:09] <nixternal> well, it looks as if the x-wife, daughter and I, may move (back) to Europe in the upcoming years
[05:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fine by me, i'm intending to go to bed.
[05:10] <nixternal> so, sometime next year, if I am up for it, who wants to give me a job?
[05:10] <nixternal> I clean toilets better than anyone else!
[05:10] <allee> Lure: great, currently are more than usual busy times.  I'll sent you the mail
[05:11] <nixternal> alrighty, going shopping..when I get back I will get those fixes done
[05:11] <Lure> allee: ok, will look into it if family allows ;-)
[05:11] <jjesse> nixternal: you might be heading back to europe?
[05:11] <allee> Lure: about dcraw: seen it.  It's great that it will go in.  Otherwise most of kde gfx apps would be blocked (libkdcraw uses 8.7x in svn already)
[06:41] <mhb> nixternal: um, sorry to interrupt, but what exactly is "pervasive availability"?
[07:01] <mluser-work> Is anyone else having problems with the latest knetwork-manager update?
[11:04] <fdoving> mhb: hey, where can i find that shiny elephant wallpaper you blogged about?
[11:07] <manchicken> Wouldn't it whoop ass if you could just use the compositing in compiz with emerald without losing the functionality of kwin?
[11:07] <fdoving> is emerald different from kde-window-decorator ?
[11:07] <fdoving> the compisiting that is?
[11:08] <manchicken> fdoving: The big difference to me is the library of themes.
[11:08] <fdoving> ah, yeah.
[11:08] <manchicken> And even using kde-window-decorator you still lose kwin functionality.
[11:08] <manchicken> kde-window-decorator just isn't worth the trouble to me.
[11:08] <manchicken> None of the pretty with all of the sucky.
[11:09] <sahin_h> Yes, loosing the funcionality of the kwin is the biggest problem of compiz fusion for me.
[11:09] <fdoving> i got tired of the compiz a while ago.
[11:09] <manchicken> Yes.
[11:09] <fdoving> it's not that nice to my powertop numbers :)
[11:10] <sahin_h> I hope KDE4 will solve :"my problem". ;-)
[11:10] <manchicken> I think compiz brings some useful functionality to the table.  The grouping&tabbing windows thing is sweet.
[11:10] <manchicken> And there's no denying the performance of compositing.
[11:11] <sahin_h> I played KDE4 beta2 and I saw kwin_composite has what I needed.
[11:11] <sahin_h> Unfortunatley compiz fusion has a better performance on my machine.
[11:12] <sahin_h> However KDE4 under development...
[11:12] <fdoving> did you compile with any performace options?
[11:12] <fdoving> kde4 that is.
[11:12] <sahin_h> Nope.
[11:13] <fdoving> still hope then :)
[11:13] <sahin_h> I just installed the kde4 beta2 packages which provided by kubuntu developers for gutsy.
[11:13] <fdoving> not sure which options are used there.
[11:14] <manchicken> I just want some of the neat functionality and the performance.  I don't want it to remove the kwin functionality that I know and love.
[11:14] <sahin_h> Yes, me too.
[11:15] <sahin_h> And I don't want to switch to gnome, because maybe compiz works better on gnome.
[11:15] <manchicken> I hear it does.
[11:15] <manchicken> But then I still lose the functionality.
[11:16] <manchicken> And compiz is a PITA to configure.
[11:16] <sahin_h> I use too much kde application, which has better functionality than the gnome counterpart.
[11:16] <sahin_h> Amarok, kontact, basket, digikam, gwenview, konsole...
[11:16] <sahin_h> Just some example...
[11:17] <manchicken> Mmmmm... basket...
[11:17] <sahin_h> My favorite!
[11:17] <manchicken> kontact & basket alone are reasons I'll never be able to use anything outside of KDE.
[11:17] <sahin_h> I have a lot of notes in my basket.
[11:17] <manchicken> It beats any other notes program hands down.
[11:18] <sahin_h> Yes, I tried other too in the past.
[11:19] <sahin_h> I hope there will be somebody to keep alive the basket development.
[11:19] <sahin_h> Why basket isn't in the main? By the way?
[11:19] <sahin_h> Why is in the universe?
[11:29] <manchicken> That I don't know.
[11:37] <danimo> moin!
[11:40] <danimo> does anyone know where does the silly "start plugin" button come from?
[11:40] <danimo> +s
[11:40] <danimo> before flash starts that is
[11:41] <danimo> apachelogger?
[11:44] <fdoving> danimo: i think that is "load plugins on demand", konq -> settings -> configure konq -> plugins
[11:45] <fdoving> nite.
[11:46] <danimo> fdoving: indeed, tnx...
[12:02] <huats> Riddell: are you around ?


[10:46] <ockham> i'm currently packaging screenwriting app trelby, and i was wondering if there's any chance to still get it into precise at this stage; mostly because i'm pretty sure there isn't any screenwriting app packaged for ubuntu yet.
[10:51] <StevenK> ockham: Precise is releasing in 5 days, not a chance, sorry.
[10:52] <ockham> StevenK: ok, just making sure. more time for packaging, then.
[10:58] <arand> Backports is your option, likely.
[11:01] <ockham> and what about ocropus 0.4, whose dependency iulib will likely be fixed this weekend (both in debian experimental)? 0.3 was removed from precise due to conflicts with tesseract 3.x...
[11:02] <StevenK> Any changes to Precise at this point are incredibly unlikely unless it fixes a tracked Critical bug.
[11:03] <ockham> StevenK: ok.
[13:39] <jtaylor> mh python-envisagecore does not install and I have no idea why :/
[13:39] <jtaylor> debian is not affected
[15:48] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: urgh, .pth files
[15:52] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: it doesn't actually fail for me, just produces an ugly error
[16:12] <ScottK> StevenK: For Universe stuff it's less unlikely than that.
[16:12] <ScottK> (if it's a sync from Debian and as in this case fixes a regression)
[16:12] <ScottK> ockham: ^^^
[16:13] <ockham> ScottK: cool! (you mean the ocropus/iulib case, right? not the trelby one...)
[16:14] <ScottK> yes.
[16:14] <ockham> so maybe i should go ping jwilk then...
[16:14] <ScottK> Possible.  No promises.
[16:15] <ockham> is it a problem that this stuff lives in experimental currently? (unstable still has 0.3 AFAIK)
[16:15] <ScottK> No.
[21:50] <Gaming4JC> I thought this bug was fixed on oneric? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/821100
[21:51] <Gaming4JC> apparently not because I still have it :P
[22:21] <Gaming4JC> nvm fixed with lglu :D
[22:21] <Gaming4JC> libglu*
[22:55] <bobweaver> Hello everybody hope you are all having a great weekend. I am trying to rap my head around the rules file under /debian and was wondering what         %:        dh  $@     || is $@ like the #? inbash where it is calling the last call ? or is it like a wildcard where it attaches itself to dh ? thanks
[22:57] <jtaylor> bobweaver: its a makefile macro, in this case the name of the target
[22:58] <jtaylor> and the target is a wildcard (%) so its basically whatever you give the file as an argument
[22:59] <jtaylor> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~ola/courses/programming/Makefiles/node7.html
[22:59] <bobweaver> Thanks !
[23:00] <bobweaver> I get it so it is going to each file ?
[23:00] <bobweaver> one by one $@ aka like a while loop ?
[23:00] <jtaylor> debian/rules is called with certain defined targets
[23:00] <jtaylor> e.g. build, build-arch, build-indep, binary etc
[23:01] <jtaylor> the dh program reads those and acts appropriatly
[23:02] <bobweaver> so the dh aka debhelper is running at the /debian directory ? because dh knows too do this ? if this is correct how does it know ?
[23:03] <jtaylor> the dh program is just a scheduler for other commands
[23:04] <jtaylor> it calls other (debhelper) scripts in a certain order
[23:04] <jtaylor> you could also write it all out explicitly in debian/rules
[23:04] <jtaylor> thats how it was done before dh-7
[23:05] <bobweaver> yes that is how I have made all my simple packages by altering rules
[23:05] <bobweaver> rules file *
[23:06] <bobweaver> Just tying to wrap my head around the bigger picture so to say and understanding why all these things are going on when they are.
[23:06] <jtaylor> if you open /usr/bin/dh around line 350 the standard sequences are defined
[23:06] <bobweaver> Thanks !
[23:06] <jtaylor> line 420 it defines the targets that must be exposed
[23:07] <jtaylor> the sequences can be altered by scripts in /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/
[23:07] <jtaylor> e.g. for special handling of python packages
[23:07] <jtaylor> which would add e.g. dh_python2 to the install sequence
[23:08] <jtaylor> debhelper is all quite readable for perl
[23:08] <bobweaver> jtaylor,  you are awesome !
[23:09] <bobweaver> I see where the compat files are getting called also now.
[23:09] <jtaylor> here are the makefile targets that must or can be defined: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules
[23:12] <bobweaver> I have read that manual so many times :D could not understand it for the life of me for the 1 week. It is starting to come together Just going to take me some time. I have had great Help :)


[03:24] <Space-Duck> Anyone know why Docky refuses to accept terminal and thunar launchers? Only seems to happen under xubuntu.
[03:52] <craigbass1976> what are people going to use once Thunderbird development stops?
[03:56] <Space-Duck> Anyone know why Docky refuses to accept terminal and thunar launchers? Only seems to happen under xubuntu.
[03:59] <Cogito> The Seamonkey suite include a mail client.
[03:59] <Space-Duck> I'll be using web-based email... just like I'm using now.
[04:03] <craigbass1976> Space-Duck, I'm not always on the internet when traveling about though (Rural Maine) and need to get at email stored on my laptop, so webmail isn't an option.  Anyone used claws mail?
[04:04] <Space-Duck> craigbass1976,  I'm confused... What good is email without the internet? Most web based email systems allow you to export your emails (for offline browsing).
[04:05] <Space-Duck> I have more email than I would want to store on my system... but maybe thats just me
[04:05] <craigbass1976> Space-Duck, I've never played with them.  mail2web I think is the only one I've used.
[04:08] <Space-Duck> craigbass1976, you may want to consider using gmail and mounting it to Linux via gmailfs.
[04:26] <Cogito> Space-Duck: If privacy is in the horizon, then lavabit may be an option to gmail. xD
[06:30] <phidog> guys i need a bit of help with xrandr
[08:03] <peedatxubuntu> Is there anyone willing to help?
[08:04] <annoyedwithxubun> hello can anyone help me
[08:16] <well_laid_lawn> annoyedwithxubun: it all depends on what your issue is
[08:17] <annoyedwithxubun> well where do I begin
[08:17] <annoyedwithxubun> i downloaded a virus by accident onto my windows vista pc
[08:18] <annoyedwithxubun> this corrupted my boot manager
[08:18] <v1adimir> !ask
[08:18] <annoyedwithxubun> sorry
[08:18] <v1adimir> :)
[08:19] <annoyedwithxubun> I cant boot into my xubuntu partition however it keeps bringing up my corrupted winodws boot manager
[08:19] <annoyedwithxubun> *windows
[08:20] <v1adimir> what shows up on boot, grub?
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> it's not xubuntu bringing up the corrupted boot manager
[08:21] <annoyedwithxubun> it the corrupted windows boot manager I thought grub was supposed to overwrite it
[08:22] <v1adimir> it's separate, grub just calls the windows boot manager if it detects it
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> it would of if it was installed to the hard disk not a partition
[08:23] <v1adimir> ^
[08:23] <annoyedwithxubun> is there a way to boot directly into xubutu
[08:24] <ablomen> annoyedwithxubun, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#Using_the_Ubuntu_CD_.28Recommended.29 << try this
[08:39] <silverlion> good morning from germany ;)
[08:40] <v1adimir> mornin'
[08:42] <silverlion> i think about switching from mint 12 to xubuntu having an old desktop from 2003. what do you think ?
[08:43] <Dice> I've never used mint, but xubuntu is great
[08:47] <silverlion> heard about it ... but i am so fixed about having that list with applications and stuff at the bottom of the screen instead of at the top. that is what kept me till now
[08:52] <Dice> you can easily throw panels to any edge of screen with xubuntu, or center of it
[08:53] <silverlion> dice via drag and drop?
[09:19] <annoyedwithxubun> to get grub as the overwriting boot loader do I install it to "/dev/sda" ,the disk,or "/dev/sda8" ,the partition,
[09:23] <Dice> silverlion: yes, after unlocking in preferences
[09:23] <silverlion> Dice: how to unlock it?
[09:24] <Dice> right click -> preferences -> uncheck checkbox for locking
[09:24] <Dice> annoyedwithxubun: MBR aka. disk, sda
[09:25] <annoyedwithxubun> thanks
[09:26] <silverlion> Dice: thx man! will try with desktop cd tonight after work ;)
[09:33] <annoyedwithxubun> hopefully the last question to get my pc working. How can I fix an unknown format error that apears on my screen on boot?
[09:56] <Marzata> annoyedwithxubun: new hdd?
[09:58] <annoyedwithxubun> no just installed xubuntu then had use boot-repair
[10:26] <andy_newuser> hi all, new to this channel and have a question...is the etiquette just to describe the whole thing is one go plse?
[10:29] <xubuntunewb> !ask
[10:30] <andy_newuser> !patience
[10:33] <andy_newuser> thanks. Running xubuntu12.04 with xfce 4.8. Have a few niggles that I am working to solve, nothing fatal. Current issue is that when I login the xfce background reverts to the default wallpaper. when i remove it and set the background to a single block of colour (my preference) all is ok until I reboot/logoff and on login again the default wallpaper returns. searched google and forums to try and get the background sett
[10:33] <andy_newuser> ing to be remembered. Any clues or thoughts to solve please?
[10:41] <knome> andy_newuser, i don't know if it helps, but try removing /home/youruser/.cache
[10:42] <xubuntunewb> andy try this site http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1505392.html
[10:51] <andy_newuser> i will try, and report back, thank you :)
[11:12] <andy_newuser> knome, im afraid deleting the cache didn't work. I'm not specifying a new wallpaper in terms of a picture or file, just no wallpaper and a blue background from the desktop background settings window. the file that keeps coming back is xubuntu-greybird
[11:23] <xubuntunewb> andy try this site http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1505392.html
[11:32] <xubuntu598> Hi, there is a mistake at page http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/. "Create the file /usr/apt/apt.conf.d/05norecommends ...", should be "Create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/05norecommends ...". :)
[11:47] <xubuntunewb> I have a problem with my monitor. when I boot I get a message on it saying unkown format. My pc works with a borrowed monitor and my monitor works with my laptop so both work fine.
[12:16] <andy_newuser> Solved: I have solved the problem of wallpaper reappearing, by thinking laterally. in essence for some reason the settings for my single monitor were being pulled in by the setting for monitor 1 and 2 in the background settings menu, with my background being made up of a combination of the two. Don't know why, but set the monitor 2 parameters to the same as monitor 1 and all ok! Why this happens is a mystery to me. Whe
[12:16] <andy_newuser> re is a good place to post this solution on the web please and should i report this as a bug?
[14:38] <BitPuffin> Hey!
[14:38] <BitPuffin> Any ideas why the right click is so slow on my machines?
[14:46] <lJ6il> Hello. New installation of Xubuntu and my VLC crackles when a sound is played
[14:46] <lJ6il> It's awful. I don't know why
[14:46] <lJ6il> Does someone has clues ?
[14:47] <BitPuffin> lJ6il, Don't know, sounds good on  my machine. Try fiddling with some settings?
[14:48] <lJ6il> BitPuffin, i did. I tried to change the out sound module
[14:49] <lJ6il> With pulse audio it doesn't play anything.
[14:49] <lJ6il> With OSS it crackles too
[14:50] <lJ6il> With alsa no sound
[14:50] <lJ6il> but with other players it's ok
[14:51] <BitPuffin> try reinstalling haha
[14:52] <lJ6il> BitPuffin, haha
[14:53] <BitPuffin> Honestly, I've got no clue
[14:54] <Dice> lJ6il: let it play for about a minute, some pulseaudio option should work
[14:55] <Dice> (oss is emulated by pulseaudio nowdays)
[15:01] <lJ6il> Dice, nope doesn't change
[15:08] <lJ6il> Problem solved installing the nightly VLC
[15:08] <lJ6il> Thanks
[15:16] <n0b2> grub2 input not supported.. where is the startup manager?
[15:17] <n0b2> or how do i fix this
[18:13] <accordix> sera
[18:14] <accordix> qualcuno on?
[18:14] <Unit193> !it
[18:15] <accordix> tank's
[18:15] <Unit193> Sure.
[18:52] <xubuntu449> Hello?
[18:53] <pAt_> hello xubuntu449
[18:53] <xubuntu449> hello?
[18:53] <xubuntu449> Is anyone there?
[18:54] <pAt_> 107 ppl
[18:54] <xubuntu449> Oh, I'd like to report an issue with xubuntu.
[18:54] <Unit193> ChanServ doesn't count, nor ubottu...
[18:54] <pAt_> :D
[18:55] <Unit193> xubuntu449: It's best to report a bug rather than here as we normally can't do anything about it, but what's up?
[18:55] <xubuntu449> Well, it freezes constantly. Sometimes it recovers, but when the curser turns to a hand and it freezes, as described in this link:http://www.mentby.com/Group/xubuntu-users/xubuntu-freezes.html
[18:56] <xubuntu449> it will not recover
[18:56] <xubuntu449> I did figure out it is a problem having to do with X server because I just restarted X and it started working just fine after.
[18:59] <Unit193> Ah, if it's what I think it is, check syslog or dmesg for a line like "GPU hanging too fast, declaring wedged" or close to it.
[19:00] <Unit193> (Granted, very easily could be something else)  What card/driver?
[19:00] <xubuntu449> Is syslog a file or a command?
[19:01] <Unit193> System log file: /var/log/syslog
[19:01] <Unit193> dmesg is a command though.
[19:01] <xubuntu449> Ok, I am finding it now
[19:05] <xubuntu449> Ok, I did find a GPU being hung
[19:05] <xubuntu449> and some other GPU errors
[19:06] <Unit193> What's the line say?  And are you using a 82845G/GL (or close) Intel built-in?  What version of Xubuntu anyway?
[19:08] <xubuntu449> My version is Ubuntu 12.04 LTS(that's what it's saying), but it's running xubuntu. The line says "*ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed...GPU hung"
[19:09] <xubuntu449> After it it says "failed to execute 'usr/share/apport/apport-gpu-error-intel.py'
[19:12] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/i8xxUnsupported  I have 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)  and Xubuntu 12.04 has been more stable than the others, but I still get a few problems with this card.
[19:15] <xubuntu449> So who should I take this to? It isn't any particular program that's doing it. I think, like you said, it may be a hardware and software problem. Will most other ubuntu-based linuxes act like this?
[19:16] <Unit193> AFAIK, just a bit, yep.
[19:20] <xubuntu449> Well thank you very much for your help, and like I said, who should I report this to?
[19:21] <TheKing> I have Xubuntu 12.04, but it works fine.
[19:24] <Unit193> xubuntu449: Well, pretty sure there's already a few or so, but if it's the same card it's generally marked as unsupported, so not a ton of luck there.
[19:24] <xubuntu449> Ok, well thank you and see you later
[19:25] <Unit193> Sorry I couldn't help, have a nice one.
[23:28] <fusk> hello, new to xubuntu, but just ran into a problem.
[23:29] <fusk> I removed stuff from my dock, suddenly my icons starts jumping left and right, and are now stuck in the left corner, how do i center align them again ?
[23:30] <fusk> hello, new to xubuntu, but just ran into a problem.
[23:30] <fusk> I removed stuff from my dock, suddenly my icons starts jumping left and right, and are now stuck in the left corner, how do i center align them again ?
[23:30] <Unit193> Don't need to repeat, and there should be a thin spacer.
[23:31] <fusk> oh sorry, didn't know you could see that
[23:31] <fusk> thought i had to be identified by nickserv to write in channels
[23:31] <Unit193> Yep, makes sense.
[23:32] <fusk> as the nick is registered
[23:32] <Unit193> Anywho, see the spacer?
[23:32] <fusk> nope
[23:33] <fusk> most left icons is as close to the screen as possible
[23:34] <fusk> tried adding a spacer, which just added a grey vertical line next to the icon, dock still aligned to the left.
[23:34] <Unit193> Well, I've only had something close to that when there was a missing spacer, it was in the wrong place, or it wasn't set to expand.
[23:34] <Unit193> Entire dock?  Well there's that too.
[23:35] <fusk> yeah, entire dock
[23:35] <fusk> no idea why
[23:36] <Unit193> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5j51v86cc8bpzda/panel.png Setting like that?
[23:37] <fusk> been there, but didn't touch anything
[23:38] <fusk> mine has the same settings
[23:38] <fusk> just doublechecked
[23:39] <Unit193> I don't know off hand, but you can backup the config and go back to default if you'd like.
[23:39] <Savage_> hi why i cant talk with my mic
[23:39] <Savage_> i read in google and have prob with pulseaudio?
[23:39] <fusk> sure, default would be fine, no need to backup, installed yesterday.
[23:39] <SkippersBoss> another pulse one
[23:40] <Savage_> how i can repair this?
[23:40] <Unit193> fusk: Remove this dir .config/xfce4/panel/
[23:40] <Unit193> Savage_: Program?  Skype?
[23:40] <Savage_> yeah
[23:41] <SkippersBoss> savage_, first of all i am not an expert but removing pulse has solved my problems
[23:41] <fusk> where is that dir located ?
[23:41] <Unit193> SkippersBoss: I just kill it for the time
[23:41] <Unit193> fusk: ~/
[23:41] <fusk> or is it a hidden folder ?
[23:41] <SkippersBoss> Unit193, pulse and skype do not mix
[23:41] <Unit193> Hidden.
[23:41] <fusk> i see, need to unhide it
[23:41] <Unit193> SkippersBoss: Yep, I pulseaudio -k and set it not to autospawn if I need skype.
[23:41] <SkippersBoss> Sure :
[23:42] <Unit193> fusk: Ctrl+h
[23:42] <SkippersBoss> so Savage_ there is your answer
[23:42] <Savage_> ok thanks
[23:42] <SkippersBoss> :_)
[23:42] <SkippersBoss> Good luck
[23:42] <Unit193> Though, removing it would work as well.
[23:43] <SkippersBoss> tell me about it :-)
[23:43] <fusk> aha, there we go, so just delete entire panel dir ?
[23:43] <Unit193> fusk: Yep, then logout/back in
[23:44] <fusk> will do
[23:45] <fusk> Unit193, didn't work.
[23:46] <Unit193> Eh? Welll......
[23:47] <fusk> all icons are now black except for trash, default dir and show desktop.
[23:47] <fusk> blank'
[23:50] <Unit193> Could try copying /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/panel/ to ~/.xfce4/panel/ -r  ?
[23:52] <fusk> i know we just met, and this is crazy, but i got more faith in you then myself when it comes to linux.
[23:53] <fusk> so if you say so, i'll do it.
[23:54] <Unit193> Heh, that delete trick normally works for me to reset the panels.
[23:55] <fusk> i'm just not quite sure what i'm supposed to do, do i just copy the folder, or is that -r important ?
[23:55] <Unit193> Ah! Here we go! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[23:56] <fusk> i see
[23:58] <fusk> could you help me pinpoint where we only fiddle with the dock panel, or do we just reset the whole chebang ? i only added dropbox so far, and it starts auto so i'd guess it'll find it's place again next time it starts.
[23:59] <Unit193> The default dock is just another panel, panel #2
[23:59] <fusk> aha, i see.


[06:47] <bkerensa> bdmurray: you said there was another way to get all the firefox-lp-improvement scripts working with greasemonkey right?
[06:47] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Is there a easy way to do this?
[13:02] <bdmurray> bkerensa: the end of this blog post talks about how to install them http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=34
[22:01] <bkerensa> blkperl: Might you let PSU students know about this https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contribute/universityambassadors/
[22:05] <MarkDude>  Google Glass has been hacked to run Ubunutu! At Google I/O, Google employees demonstrated how to root Google Glass and then run Ubuntu on it. http://twit.tv/show/tech-news-today/756


[05:28] <thismamacooks200> opengl is not longer working on my system. most apps say: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[21:05] <elias> I have a weird problem with LOCALDEVs
[21:05] <elias> USB jumpdrives, which work on the server, don't work on the thinclient
[21:05] <elias> same problem I am having with the built in and linux capable SD card reader
[21:06] <elias> any ideas


I'm hoping to get the 22.04.1 version out next weekend depending on how this bar crawl goes haha.


[03:53] <ShawnR> man, not even a big to do with 14.04 coming out
[03:54] <ShawnR> did everyone pretty much get their tongues cut out in here? (including me)