[00:27]  * releaselogger ditches his unicorn repo
[02:16] <apachelogger> "we are coming"
[02:17] <nixternal> well then, we are going
[02:17] <apachelogger> "we are coming tomorrow"
[02:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: dude, you have not bee around much have you now
[02:18] <nixternal> probably not, but then again I don't pay attention to where I have been lately :)
[02:19] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, you know, kubuntu needs you :)
[02:19] <nixternal> no it doesn't. it has been doing fine without me. i am just a user now, totally useless doing anything else
[02:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: you still have years of experience you could teach the young the ways of the force
[02:21] <apachelogger> and abuse them to make people think you are doing things while you are in fact not :D
[02:23] <nixternal> yeah, but if people aren't grateful, then i don't want to teach them anything. plus i am supposedly poisonous
[02:23] <jjesse> really you are poisonous?
[02:23] <nixternal> that's what i heard through the grapevine
[02:25] <apachelogger> odd enough
[02:25] <apachelogger> nixternal: come join phonon then
[02:25] <apachelogger> we have plenty of poisonous lazy people there :D
[02:25] <apachelogger> like markey.... :P
[02:25] <nixternal> haha
[02:26] <jjesse> or like apachelogger
[02:26] <jjesse> :P
[02:26] <apachelogger> yus
[02:26] <apachelogger> we both make others also lazy and do skype stuff
[02:26] <apachelogger> most poisonous this is
[02:26] <jjesse> i've heard your skype sesions are epic
[02:26] <apachelogger> oh, they very much are
[02:28]  * claydoh can't see how nixternal  coulld be considered poisonous, thats a bit extreme
[02:29] <claydoh> grapevines are thorny maybe
[02:29] <jjesse> i think nixternal shoud just jump back in the water
[02:29] <jjesse> it's not that bad
[02:30] <apachelogger> if only I got to made a project bottom to top
[02:30] <apachelogger> it would be a hot tub
[02:31]  * apachelogger would like some fish and chips
[02:31] <claydoh> arghhh
[02:31] <apachelogger> then again I am drunk
[02:32]  * claydoh throws drupal against the wall, shattering it to bits
[02:32]  * claydoh wishes he were drunk
[02:32]  * apachelogger bought 2 liters of incredibly cheap white wine on his way back from campus
[02:33] <apachelogger> spent the last 3 days working around 14h per day on university projects -.-
[02:40] <jjesse> apachelogger that sucks glad i'm no longer in university
[02:43]  * apachelogger actually considers dropping out as he feels incredibly unmotivated for a considerable amount of time :S
[02:57] <nixternal> jjesse: to cold to jump into any water
[10:43] <steveire> apachelogger: ping?
[11:03] <Riddell> no sign of 4.6 yet it seems
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Morning Riddell
[12:17] <apachelogger> steveire: semi-pong
[13:58] <Riddell> ./../generated_cpp/com_trolltech_qt_phonon/qtscript_BackendCapabilities.cpp:53:1: error: type/value mismatch at argument 1 in template parameter list for ‘template<class T> struct QMetaTypeId’
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: qtscriptgenerator doesn't like phonon it seems
[14:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, it needs updating
[14:33] <steveire> apachelogger: You had a grantlee patch a little while ago right?
[14:33] <apachelogger> yes
[14:33] <steveire> I tried removing the if(mingw) block and the unit tests failed
[14:34] <apachelogger> m
[14:34] <apachelogger> hm
[14:34] <apachelogger> steveire: you add Qt's defintions though?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> sigh
[14:37] <steveire> That's already in QT_USE_FILE
[14:38] <shadeslayer> gold linking--
[14:38] <apachelogger> steveire: oh, that is not good then :S
[14:38] <apachelogger> steveire: maybe talk to the kde-windows people on how to approach this?
[14:38] <steveire> And the unit tests pass without the change. What is the problem you saw?
[14:39] <apachelogger> steveire: grantlee plugins not loading when built against Qt SDK
[14:40] <steveire> I build against the sdk as well...
[14:46] <apachelogger> :O
[14:46] <apachelogger> most strange
[14:46] <apachelogger> steveire: we are going to publish the source of our project within the next two weeks you can then try it yourself
[14:47]  * apachelogger actually notes that the whole codebase is one big hack as no one in his team had any idea what they were doing designwise ^^
[15:29] <steveire> apachelogger: Do the grantlee unit tests pass before and after your patch?
[15:32] <steveire> apachelogger: I'll probably tag and release the current 0.1 branch as the 0.1.8 release if I can't reproduce your issue. Your issue is probably not a regression anyway.
[15:43] <apachelogger> steveire: I dont have the setup anymore
[17:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm, it FTBFS when I change it to install-arch-2.% :S
[17:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: OK.  I didn't actually try that.  I just moved the 3.% rule about install-arch-%.
[17:10] <ScottK> So I'd try that.
[17:10] <Quintasan> Oh, okay
[17:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm, this is being silly, I just did it and still FTBFS,
[17:11] <Quintasan> it could be more verbose
[17:11] <ScottK> Weird.
[17:11] <Quintasan> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[17:12] <ScottK> Does it build with no change for you?
[17:12] <ScottK> I took the package you pointed me to, made that change, and it built.
[17:12] <ScottK> Do you have the newest python3-defaults?
[17:13] <Quintasan> lol
[17:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: without moving anything it builds
[17:13] <Quintasan> when I cut&paste it above it ftbfs
[17:13] <Quintasan> :/
[17:13] <ScottK> Quintasan: Make sure you have tabs and not spaces.
[17:13] <ScottK> vim copy/paste converts tabs to spaces.
[17:14] <ScottK> vim/konsole, not sure which
[17:15] <Quintasan> what on earth is this
[17:15] <Quintasan> there are tabs
[17:15] <Quintasan> I'm sure of it
[17:15] <Quintasan> yet some magic occurs and breaks the build
[17:15] <ScottK> OK, because if you just cut/paste there won't be.
[17:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: can you pastebin rules?
[17:18] <ScottK> Sure
[17:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/qAdyfvby
[17:20] <ScottK> That includes some other changes too, but I just built it.
[17:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: somehow it works
[17:27] <ScottK> OK.  So progress.
[17:28] <Quintasan> http://freeworld.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
[17:28] <Quintasan> Everything I have to say in regards to Python stuff
[17:28] <Quintasan> ;)
[17:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: ./usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sip.cpython-31dmu.so
[17:30] <Quintasan> hehe
[17:30] <Quintasan> oh
[17:30] <Quintasan> dmu
[17:30] <Quintasan> I see
[17:30] <Quintasan> I think this solves everything
[17:30] <ScottK> sip4-qt3 is about as narly as anything you'll run into.
[17:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks, it was as simple as that and I was thinking that the rules are wrong somewhere
[17:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a new release of phonon needing  packaged?
[17:41] <Riddell> no, doesn't look like there is
[17:41] <apachelogger> held up by kde sysadmins
[17:41] <apachelogger> no sho = no release
[17:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have the tars ready though if you want to get started
[17:42] <Riddell> there are other sysadmins no?
[17:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: only sho and toma can do stuff with upload.kde.org
[17:42] <apachelogger> or want to
[17:42] <apachelogger> and toma doesnt do it very often, so I am waiting for sho
[17:42]  * apachelogger requested a phonon account though
[17:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'd recommend looking at the output of debc. I'm not sure it's all correct.
[18:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: I did that
[18:02] <ScottK> OK
[18:04] <debfx> Riddell: the Xsession.d scripts aren't run anymore at startup: bug #688393
[18:04] <debfx> it seems like you removed the parts from 08_genkdmconf.diff: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/446#debian/patches/08_genkdmconf.diff
[18:07] <neversfelde> is that the reason why gpg-agent and ssh-agent are not working with KDE SC 4.6?
[18:07] <debfx> yes
[18:08] <neversfelde> ah ok
[18:08] <Quintasan> debfx: what is the reason?
[18:09] <Quintasan> neversfelde: you can try running ssh-agent
[18:09] <Quintasan> neversfelde: and copy pasting the output to a terminal
[18:09] <Quintasan> neversfelde: then it should work is an app was launched from this terminal
[18:09] <neversfelde> Quintasan: as I workaround I put something in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsession, cannot remeber what atm
[18:09] <neversfelde> but it is working
[18:09] <debfx> Quintasan: reason for what?
[18:10] <Quintasan> debfx: gpg-agent not working
[18:10] <debfx> well it's not started
[18:10] <Quintasan> neversfelde: Can you check what did you put there
[18:10] <Quintasan> ?
[18:11] <neversfelde> Quintasan: see the patch attached to the bug report, I did the same
[18:17] <debfx> Riddell: i'll just revert that change if you don't object
[18:38]  * Riddell looks
[18:43] <Riddell> debfx: that was from Debian http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kdebase-workspace.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/08_genkdmconf.diff;h=5ad8545f7ac90f0389dadaf84358ed7eaafd379c;hb=HEAD
[18:44] <Riddell> so we should rename the patch if we are going to differ from theirs
[18:44] <Riddell> and it's probably worth asking why they changedit
[18:45] <neversfelde> bug 481789
[18:45] <neversfelde> I think he is right
[18:47] <neversfelde> I remember a discussion about movin kid3 back from multiverse to universe, was it because of this?
[18:48] <Riddell> libmp4v2 is in multiverse so it would have had to go into multiverse when that was added
[18:48] <debfx> Riddell: Debian hasn't changed the patch
[18:49] <neversfelde> Riddell: but that does not eliminate the incompatibility of the licenses?
[18:49] <debfx> they still source /etc/X11/Xsession
[18:50] <Quintasan> I noticed the ssh-agent problems occured in each development release I used
[18:50] <Quintasan> It's time we do something about it
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> this is the first time it's broken for me, and it's pretty obvious that it's just the breakage of this patch
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> and I've run prerelease-since-toolchain since lucid
[18:52] <Riddell> debfx: mm, I see, I'm getting confused by diffs of diffs
[18:52] <Riddell> debfx: dunno why I did that then, go ahead and revert
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ^something being done about it :P
[18:54] <Riddell> debfx: I think I'd like to add a link to the default wallpaper link, I'm annoyed at having to change ubiquity each release for that, will add that and then we can upload
[18:55] <Riddell> neversfelde: no, we can't have incompatible licences, even in multiverse
[18:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: so the dependency should be removed
[18:57] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, there is also a new upstream release, so that can be done together
[18:57] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:57] <Riddell> neversfelde: go for it
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: pong. Fontforge failed too, so I'm rebuilding my pbuilder just to make sure it's not me
[18:58] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: as I said in the past: your pbuilder is wrong
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> pbuilds kde packages just fine, so I dunno why it hates autotools packages so much
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> nor do I really know how I would have broken it
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> but w/e
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> Also school's started back up, so I might be a bit slow about sponsoring things for the near future
[19:04] <neversfelde> Riddell: will it go to universe automatically after removing the build-dep on libmp4v2-dev?
[19:05] <Riddell> neversfelde: no you'll need to file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[19:05] <neversfelde> k, thanks
[19:05] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: easy, I'm slowing down with Ubuntu ;)
[19:06] <ari-tczew> (as well)
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/Q1h2J.jpg
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> (unrelated to anything, but still awesome) :)
[19:11] <Quintasan> sheytan: hey sheytan, can you do a quick kde related background for my blog? :P
[19:11] <Quintasan> sheytan: and more importantly: where is Neon logo? :PP
[19:12] <sheytan> Quintasan: 1) show me your blog 2) you already saw it
[19:13] <Quintasan> sheytan: Ad. 2) I did? lol
[19:13] <Quintasan> sheytan: http://quintasan.blogspot.com/
[19:13] <shadeslayer> sigh
[19:13] <shadeslayer> everyone blogs
[19:13] <shadeslayer> but me
[19:13] <Quintasan> I have two blogs but I didn't blog anything in a loooong time
[19:14] <Quintasan> Time to change tat
[19:14] <Quintasan> that*
[19:14] <shadeslayer> likewise here
[19:15] <sheytan> Quintasan: background tomorrow,
[19:15] <Quintasan> sheytan: thanks
[19:15]  * Quintasan is writing up a draft of Project Neon release post
[19:22] <sheytan> the logo hase to be remake. I lost the files ;/
[19:22] <Quintasan> :<
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its too early!!! shouldnt we wait for git migration to be complete?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> also
[19:23] <Quintasan> It's just a draft
[19:23] <Quintasan> Worry not.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> saidinesh5 reported some CPU  issues with neon
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Apparently neon eats your CPU
[19:24] <Quintasan> I bet I will change it over 9000 times to include some unnecessary banter and few adjectives to brag about my English :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:34] <maco> the new red quassel notification icon is really eye-catching
[19:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: any progress on phonon page?
[19:34] <ScottK> maco: Quassel is the same in Maverick and Natty.
[19:35] <maco> ScottK: im on maverick... but i never saw the red thing until ... today
[19:35] <ScottK> Red thing?
[19:35] <apachelogger> the ring of fire
[19:35] <maco> yes, the quassel icon turns red for the circle part and stays blue for the little ball in the middle
[19:35] <ScottK> Ah.  That.
[19:38] <maco> im confused by it, since it just started this boot, and i havent updated in weeks
[19:43] <seaLne> is natty known to be currently uninstallable?
[19:43] <seaLne> having fun playing with the alternative installer
[19:45] <tsimpson> it is a pre-release, that implies instability
[19:45] <seaLne> i know
[20:11] <highvoltage> hey
[20:11] <highvoltage> what is nepomukbackup and why is it important enough to be part of kdebase-runtime?
[20:11] <Quintasan> highvoltage: it backups your nepomuk database
[20:12]  * apachelogger wishes something would backup his pr0n
[20:13] <apachelogger> coudl be a useful enough feature for phonon I suppose
[20:13]  * highvoltage tries to figure out whether that would be useful to any edubuntu users
[20:13] <highvoltage> apachelogger: why? the internet probably already has all your pr0n backed up
[20:13] <apachelogger> hm
[20:13] <apachelogger> good point
[20:13] <apachelogger> but how dreadful it would be to find it all again :P
[20:13] <ulysses> pr0nlogger:P
[20:13] <highvoltage> oh I thought that was the fun part
[20:14] <apachelogger> highvoltage: anyhow, not useful to edubuntu users as currently none of the kde apps in kdeedu use nepomuk
[20:14] <apachelogger> at least I would not be aware of any
[20:14]  * apachelogger continues coding the java
[20:14] <highvoltage> so what is a nepomuk database anyway?
[20:14] <highvoltage> ok, I could probably hide nepomukdatabase from the menu
[20:15] <apachelogger> highvoltage: semantic desktop data
[20:15] <highvoltage> but it really doesn't seem like something that should be in kdebase-runtime from what I can see
[20:15] <apachelogger> (or file search :P)
[20:15] <apachelogger> depending on ones POV
[20:15] <apachelogger> like yesterday a phonon dev called zeitgeist a history tracker ;)
[20:20] <debfx> Riddell: I've pushed the fix to the bzr branch
[20:44] <seaLne> well apt-get install kubuntu-desktop seemed to work fine after the failure during software install in todays natty alternate
[20:47] <Riddell> seaLne: what was the failure?
[20:47] <Riddell> I used a daily CD from today fine
[20:48] <seaLne> some dependancy issue with with OOo/libre
[20:50] <Riddell> new openoffice packager doesn't start until after fosdem
[20:50] <Riddell> but then we'll have someone to moan to :)
[20:50] <seaLne> openoffice.org-calc depends libreoffice-calc which is not installable
[20:51] <seaLne> also for -impress, -kde, -style-oxygen and -writer
[20:53] <ScottK> Riddell and seaLne: The libreoffice binaries are in Universe, so they wouldn't have been available to the installer, but are post-install.
[20:55] <seaLne> ah, yeah i manually wrote in all the repositories
[20:56] <seaLne> so that was an accurate failure then
[23:28] <Riddell> qtwebkit down to 28MB, 10 times smaller than the last upload
[23:30] <ScottK> Nice
[23:31] <Riddell> and flash breakage has gone, time to uninstall chromium
[23:31] <cmagina> very nice
[23:34] <Riddell> html5 audio and video seems to work nicely (with ogg at least)
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> any idea what caused the dramatic decrease?
[23:39] <apachelogger> no .git dir? ;)
[23:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I removed a load of unused directories
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> aha, so it wasn't upstream coming to their senses ;-)
[23:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: it was > 1GB with the .git directory
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> gtkwebkit's .orig is only 8 MiB
[23:42] <apachelogger> yeah .git can grow epic


[06:40] <ducasse> morning all
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[08:37] <ducasse> hi lotus! how are you today?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse great here, and you?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: day off, and round2 of the roof here
[08:38] <ducasse> good, thanks. are they finishing the roof today?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah the second part
[08:39] <ducasse> and no rain today? :)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, we lucky today is the only sunny one, next week rainy forecast
[08:42] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: nice weather here too, blue sky and sunny.
[08:43] <ducasse> plan for the day: pay bills :-/
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:44] <ducasse> it has to be done, but it's just depressing :)
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah, much?
[08:45] <ducasse> not more than i can handle, it's just sad to see so much money disappear so fast :)
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah, you said norway was expensive, does that count for house rent also?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> years ago i recall norway invited foreign ppl to come to live in norway in free houses right?
[08:49] <ducasse> can't remember that, but housing costs are pretty expensive.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cant you save money by changing provider/water/electricity etc?
[08:54] <Ben64> what
[08:54] <Ben64> i wanna move to norway for a free house
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: we saved like 50% on switching internet provider and cheaper gas/electricity
[08:55] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: don't need to, really :) electricity cost isn't that bad.
[08:55] <Ben64> my electric bill was $75 last month : /
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: thats rather good right?
[08:57] <Ben64> it's expensive
[08:57] <ducasse> housing is cheaper in the us than here, afaik
[08:57] <Ben64> only going up from here
[08:57] <Ben64> temps rising
[09:01] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: another user in #u having problems with ath9k driver on zesty... seems to be common.
[09:27] <immu> ducasse: hi
[09:32] <ducasse> \o
[09:33] <immu> ducasse: how u doing
[09:34] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[09:45] <immu> ducasse: good
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah had a few wifi issues lately on zesty on different chipsets
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> ducasse, Ben64 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2997012/Yours-just-FIVE-PENCE-Norwegian-holiday-home-comes-island-private-beach-stunning-views-need-renovations.html
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[10:16] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: lol
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[10:16] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that is _remote_ :)
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop
[10:17] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: getting materials and equipment to do it up out there is going to cost a fortune in itself
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> good news for blueskaj
[10:19] <ducasse> kde as default will probably never happen, i think, but it's not really an issue as long as all the flavors exist
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah dont think so neither
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> im getting this after i installed kubuntu-desktop: https://hastebin.com/uxuxitewan.sql
[10:30] <ducasse> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> lemme try
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> dpkg error
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:04] <daftykins> \o wb
[11:04] <ducasse> \o
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey daftykins, ducasse
[11:11] <EriC^^> hey daftykins ducasse BluesKaj
[11:12] <ducasse> wb EriC^^ :)
[11:12] <EriC^^> thanks ducasse
[11:12] <EriC^^> :)
[11:12] <daftykins> \o
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: seen this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-mate-desktop
[12:54] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Why would they make Ubuntu run KDE? What is the point in having Kubuntu and Ubuntu if they both run the same stuff.
[12:55] <lordievader> I'd rather see a combination of force than doing the same thing in parallel.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: its working now, and just testing out stuff here
[12:56] <ducasse> never going to happen, but if it did, kubuntu would just cut the 'k' from the name.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> don't think it's gonna happen , too many kde haters out there
[13:00] <BluesKaj> and some of them on the ubuntu council have issues with JR
[13:01] <ducasse> is he the guy that was fired as lead?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://imgur.com/a/Oo1sh
[13:02] <lordievader> Yeah, he was pretty much bullied away.
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> perhaps a w1ndows rat infiltrated to make ubuntu ugly
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> to gain popularity
[13:11] <BluesKaj> the main perp doesn't seem to be around anymore or hr changed his nick ...wish I could recall it, think I'd recognize it if it was listed
[13:12] <immu> BluesKaj: how are your adventures going on?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> pretended he was a nice person , but he plotted against JR and promoted false accusations against him
[13:16] <BluesKaj> immu:  what adventures?
[13:17] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i didn't follow that thing at all, just read the news that the lead was asked to resign and a lot of people were unhappy about it.
[13:17] <immu> distro ones BluesKaj?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> well, I'm on Kubuntu 17.04 atm and have Debian Stetch on another partition...tried fedora 25 gnome 3.22on the laptop,  very smooth on default Wayland, but gnome is gnome so I dumped it
[13:23] <immu> did you try neon kde ? BluesKaj
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yeah a few months ago, but it wasn't anything special in my estimation
[13:25] <immu> its based on LTS so nope for me to . blur
[13:25] <BluesKaj> there's lot of arch type hype around neon, but it didn't do much for me...your experience may be different tho
[13:25] <immu> BluesKaj:
[13:28] <immu> what are you thoughts on manjaro kde . BluesKaj
[13:30] <ducasse> manjaro - "arch done the wrong way"
[13:31] <immu> ducasse: why so? and what do you use as your prefered distro?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> immu:  I have opnion about manjaro...haven't tried it
[13:31] <BluesKaj> no opinion
[13:33] <ducasse> immu: it's arch set up so the user "shouldn't" need to understand what's going on underneath, which contradicts the entire point of arch
[13:34] <immu> is kubuntu still a official flavour of Ubuntu
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> !flavors
[13:37] <immu> i am always gravitated towards ubuntu
[13:37] <BluesKaj> yeah once you've installed arch via the shell , then you have just an ordinary OS which doesn't really do anything much different than other OSs. it's a competent OS there's no doubt , but after all the work to install it I'm left with the conclusion , ok now what? is that all there is?  :-)
[13:39] <ducasse> you sort of assemble it piece by piece to do whatever you want it to do :)
[13:39] <immu> Ok ducasse BluesKaj but as said i am always gravitated towards Ubuntu, no matter distro, it works so well for me
[13:43] <ducasse> i use ubuntu on everything except my desktop, it works well on pretty much anything
[13:43] <immu> ducasse:  why not on desktop, because of unity?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-release-date
[13:46] <ducasse> immu: i need very recent versions of certain packages, and i need to self-build a number of things. i also like knowing exactly how everything is configured.
[14:15] <immu> brb
[14:53] <immu> BluesKaj: back
[14:55] <immu> its so quite in here?
[15:12] <nicomachus> immu: it's almost always quiet in here
[15:13] <nicomachus> nautilus tells me I have 322.1 GB free, but my indicator applet in the menu bar only says 299.94GB.... hmmm...
[15:19] <ducasse> gigabyte vs gibibyte
[15:20] <nicomachus> huh
[15:20] <nicomachus> what's a gibibyte
[15:20] <nicomachus> am I missing a joke?
[15:20] <ducasse> https://techterms.com/definition/gibibyte
[15:21] <EriC^^> those terms really sound stupid
[15:21] <ducasse> 322 gigabyte =<PHONE_NUMBER>2603 gibibyte
[15:22] <nicomachus> what
[15:22] <nicomachus> the
[15:22] <nicomachus> actual
[15:22] <nicomachus> crap
[15:23] <ducasse> when you buy a disk, the size is actually specified in gibibytes. saves the manufacturers money and makes your disk smaller than what you though you were getting.
[15:23] <nicomachus> why does my indicator applet use a different unit of measurement than the rest of my machine?
[15:25] <ducasse> it's silly, but that's how sad things are now.
[15:25] <EriC^^> they should make 1 unit for it
[15:26] <EriC^^> SI is bibyte right?
[15:26] <ducasse> yes, they made that 'the standard'.
[15:31] <EriC^^> it can get pretty confusing, especially in linux tools
[15:31] <EriC^^> parted is in GB, df in GiB, etc
[15:32] <ducasse> "si - because idiots don't know how to multiply by 1024." ;)
[15:33] <EriC^^> isn't it the opposite?
[15:33] <EriC^^> 1 kebibyte is 1024bytes , and 1 kilobyte 1000bytes?
[15:34] <ducasse> _now_, yes, but a kilobyte has been 1024 bytes for all of my life.
[17:58] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[17:58] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ :)
[23:36] <blackflow> Any ideas what's the point of the new ubuntu server installer? What was wrong with the debian text mode installer?
[23:37] <daftykins> oh they ruined that now too? oh dear
[23:37] <daftykins> if it's on 17.xx releases then it's moot, LTS all the way
[23:38] <blackflow> No, but seriously, I thought Unity was lessons learned in the NIH no-no. I guess learning is hard.
[23:39] <blackflow> was anything wrong with the debian installer?
[23:41] <daftykins> i suppose only the mandatory DHCP attempt approach grated with me over the years
[23:42] <blackflow> that's easily fixable
[23:43] <daftykins> well, changed... fix implies there's a flaw
[23:43] <daftykins> anywho, not seen what the new take is
[23:43] <blackflow> here's a preview: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install
[23:43] <daftykins> ta
[23:48] <daftykins> yep that looks like reinventing the wheel
[23:49] <tsimonq2> I think it's a poor naming choice.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> sub-iquity...
[23:50] <daftykins> heh i wasn't sure if it was a legit name or the guy was claiming it as the inferior version of ubiquity ;D
[23:50] <tsimonq2> It's apparently legit.
[23:51] <tsimonq2> I will add that dash whenever I reference it until someone gets the clue. :D
[23:54] <blackflow> subnihquity :)


[09:33] <happyaron> Laney: it's .desktop autostart, will upload fix to debian today
[13:57] <IronDev> Hi Guys
[13:57] <IronDev> I have a Mid 2011 MacBook Air
[13:57] <IronDev> And it had 14.04 installed
[13:57] <IronDev> So I upgraded it to 14.10
[13:58] <IronDev> And when I did that the trackpad/wifi went bad
[13:59] <IronDev> So I used bluetooth to connect to the internet and a mouse to control my computer
[13:59] <IronDev> And I was messing with the system
[13:59] <IronDev> When I tried to install Synaptiks from the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:00] <IronDev> It froze and I forced restart and now the only thing I see is a blinking underscore after the ubuntu boot logo
[14:03] <IronDev> Anyone on?
[14:04] <IronDev> :) I got tty2 on
[14:05] <IronDev> Yup
[14:05] <IronDev> Its just a graphic prob
[15:40] <ayan> IronDev: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode