[00:09] <xnox> apw, could you for shits and giggles try a build of zfs=true everywhere? e.g. all the 32bit platforms too.
[00:10] <xnox> looking the disk-layout code, the structure on disk is arch intendant as far as i can see.
[00:10] <xnox> independant
[00:10] <apw> xnox, its meant to be very kva agressive and not recommended for use on 32bit, iirc the discussion
[00:10] <apw> xnox, which is why we didn't enable it there
[00:11] <xnox> apw, and we are a nanny state? =)
[03:49] <rlaager> I'm looking to bisect a kernel bug. I've narrowed it down to two mainline kernel packages, but now I need to build my own packages with intermediate commits. I have a checkout of the mainline sources with patches applied per: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.5-rc7-wily/README
[03:49] <rlaager> How do I actually build this thing? The usual `debuild -uc -us` I would use fails because there is no debian/changelog. There's both a debian/ and debian.master directory after applying the patches.
[04:53] <apw> rlaager, you need to clean the tree to get debian/control ... fakeroot debian/rules clean
[04:54] <rlaager> apw: Thanks. I'm mid-build using a different set of instructions, so hopefully they work sufficiently for this attempt. I'll try that on the next build.
[10:59] <tamil> Hi all,i am just a beginner ...i want to know how to develop our own ubuntu....
[11:02] <apw> tamil, your own ubuntu en-toto or a specific piece
[11:04] <tamil> specific piece....
[11:05] <tamil> i want to develop a kernel
[11:06] <tamil> sorry for my wrong words...
[11:06] <tamil> how to simulate that ....
[11:19] <apw> arple
[11:46] <AndreeeCZ> join #zeromq
[11:46] <AndreeeCZ> sry
[11:46] <apw> heh, happens to the best of us about 3 times a day
[11:47] <Skuggen> At least it wasn't a password :P
[11:47] <apw> having the same spot be the command line for your irc client and where you type to send, is dumb
[11:47] <apw> done that more than once too
[15:38] <xnox> apw, ship it, it looks good.
[15:38] <apw> xnox, what where when why ?
[15:38] <xnox> userspace tooling and dkms have migrated
[15:38] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1519814
[15:48] <apw> xnox, ok next week being beta is a big worry for this, so i am going to propose we pump the kernel with that enabled (and i will try and make ppc build too, a packaging bu)
[15:49] <apw> xnox, and use the beta freeze week to get cking to hammer one or both to death, if they pass his scruitiny then we apply it and upload as the freeze ends
[15:49] <xnox> ack.
[16:09] <tseliot> rtg, apw: when do you plan on pulling in v4.4.6 ?
[16:10] <apw> tseliot, depends on beta as much as anything, but expect it likely in the next upload
[16:10] <apw> tseliot, what you needing from it
[16:11] <tseliot> apw: 53e609099daa023ad7771ec8351202f2a7bee1c1 and 6f0679556b563bcd3d433d5781454123f1d134c5 should be already there. I would need to add f8456804460f5c232f097e72051beea063f16074 on top of that
[16:11] <tseliot> (fixes for amdgpu, all from linux-stable)
[16:12] <apw> you are saying that even with .6 applied you need to request one more fix ?
[16:15] <apw> tseliot, ^
[16:15] <tseliot> apw: yes, it seems like it
[16:15] <apw> rtg, ^ (as you are likely already applying it)
[16:15] <apw> tseliot, perhaps yuo could file a bug for that new one, so we can track it
[16:16] <tseliot> apw: sure
[16:16] <apw> now we are past ff we do need to be keeping better track of what we are applying and bugs are good for that
[16:17] <tseliot> I'll link it to the upstream report too https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113891
[16:23] <awreece__> When I run iostat -x, the disk utilization (and await, and queue size, etc) reported for md0 (my raid0 device) are all 0. Is this expected, and if so, why?
[16:24] <tseliot> apw, rtg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1558656
[16:25] <apw> awreece__, that i assume is s/w raid, so all the real devices are underneath no ?
[16:29] <tseliot> apw: do I need to send the patch myself or is the bug report enough?
[16:30] <awreece__> apw: yeah, I assume so
[16:31] <awreece__> I believe md0, etc all are software raid
[16:31] <apw> tseliot, you would expedite the world if you send it
[16:31] <tseliot> apw: pull request or a simple patch?
[16:32] <apw> simple patch is fine
[16:32] <tseliot> ok, good
[16:42] <mamarley> apw: How often do those uploads occur?  I hadn't noticed any sort of pattern, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence doesn't seem to have information about development releases.
[16:51] <tseliot> apw: actually, never mind, that patch seems to be included too. Sorry for the noise
[16:51] <tseliot> rtg: ^
[17:05] <lamont> jsalisbury: latest kernel  makes me want to ask for another one...
[17:05] <lamont> jsalisbury: can I get the commitreverted kernel with the fix as-landed added?
[17:06] <lamont> jsalisbury: what I see now is that if the screen blanks (may require locking, but mine always locks before it blanks...), then anything on the right side of the top left workspace magically moves to the left side of the workspace to the right... This is not success, but I want to figuyre out if it's part of the original bug, or something new.  (I expect that it's the former)
[17:16] <jsalisbury> lamont, So you want the kernel from comment #29 with the fix that just went into Xenial?
[17:18] <lamont> jsalisbury: that exactly
[17:19] <jsalisbury> lamont, sure, I'll build one and send you a link
[17:19] <lamont> ta
[17:20] <lamont> jsalisbury: my suspicion: with the just landed fix, the X server believes (sometime after screen blank, or maybe when it unblanks...) that we shifted from dual-head to single-head and then back
[17:20] <lamont> which would mean "still not done"
[17:21] <lamont> and I hope it's that, because bisecting it would be a royal PITA
[17:21] <jsalisbury> yeah
[17:21] <lamont> since it's "bisect and then add the just-landed commit" for each time
[21:50] <lamont> jsalisbury: thanks for the kernel -- it'll be tomorrow before I can test it
[21:50] <lamont> will advise in the bug
[23:54] <xnox> sbeattie, please stop!
[23:54] <xnox> sbeattie, you are doing too much!
[23:55] <xnox> sbeattie, from IBM we have two architectures: ppc64el and s390x. One is with powerpc64le tag the other is s39064.
[23:55] <xnox> sbeattie, s390x only exists in xenial, it's a brand new arch.
[23:56] <xnox> sbeattie, thus any bugs from "skipper" team or with tag architectures-s39064 or tag s390x do _not_ need any SRUs or backporting at all.
[23:56] <xnox> e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1556141


[11:00]  * ebel wonders how to debug problems where his mouse pointer will just stop appearing on one monitor
[11:14] <tdr112> you could write some thing that outputs the x/y of where the mouse is
[11:27] <ebel> i want the mouse pointer to appear
[20:17] <airurando> ebel: you about?
[20:17] <ebel> yo
[20:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:18] <czajkowski> airurando: get your wiki done
[20:19] <airurando> ebel, now that the website is back I was wondering if we can effect the LoCo dir blog feed from within the website.
[20:20] <airurando> my rudimentary understanding of the aggregrator isn't sufficient.
[20:20] <airurando> there is something about categories but I have no idea
[20:21] <czajkowski> right so in theory a categroy for loconews should be created
[20:21] <czajkowski> so stuff about our geeknics would be displayed
[20:21] <airurando> czajkowski: I know I'll get to it aoon
[20:21] <czajkowski> but stuff on say me driving around ireland wouldnt be
[20:21] <airurando> *soon
[20:22] <airurando> yeah, I saw how categories could be generated but I have no idea how it works
[20:22] <airurando> category for LoCo news?
[20:23] <ebel> it's all about RSS Feeds
[20:23] <airurando> how do blogs from the planet feed LoCo tagged material into the aggregrator LoCo News category?
[20:23] <ebel> We could either just have one RSS feed from our website, or try to combine some rss feeds from various members blogs into one feed
[20:23] <airurando> how do we generate a RSS feed  for the category LoCo News
[20:24] <airurando> ebel
[20:24] <airurando> the aggregrator takes all the feeds supplied
[20:24] <airurando> those feeds are not LoCo specific
[20:25] <airurando> you explained to me how each blog can provide a specific LoCo related feed
[20:26] <airurando> I just can't see how these sunset feeds can be handled by the aggregrator
[20:26] <airurando> *subset
[20:27] <airurando> ebel if possible I like the idea of trying to combine some rss feeds from various members blogs into oneLoCo News  feed
[20:28] <airurando> each blog generate a LoCo category and supply the feed for that.
[20:34] <ebel> you'd need another aggregator
[20:35] <ebel> and you'd need everyone's blog to generate a separate rss feed per tag
[20:35] <ebel> I'd be suprised if a lot of blogs didn't have this functionality
[20:36] <ebel> e.g. here's the feed URL for czajkowski's "Ubuntu-ie" tag: http://www.lczajkowski.com/category/ubuntu/ubuntu-ie-ubuntu/feed/
[20:36] <ebel> So every blog author will pick their tag that's meaninglyful and we'd use that in the new aggregator
[20:37] <ebel> that'll then aggregate those feeds into 1 ubuntu-ie feed
[20:37] <airurando> Yeah, I get that part (I Think :))
[20:37] <airurando> I was just wondering whether or no we could do if from within the current drupal website
[20:38] <ebel> maybe
[20:38] <ebel> if you can create an extra aggregator, then maybe you can
[20:38] <ebel> ** if you can create an extra aggregator, then you can.
[20:38] <airurando> I just don't see how that can be done
[20:39] <airurando> any ideas for an external, open souce, security sensitive, reliable alternative?
[20:42] <ebel> not really...
[20:43] <airurando> ok
[20:43] <airurando> other alternatives
[20:43] <airurando> anyone with experience of yahoo pipes?
[20:44] <airurando> yahoo pipes ticks the reliable box.
[20:46] <ebel> no experience...
[20:47] <airurando> agenda item for the September meeting methinks.


[09:20] <ShellcatZero> If one wants to rebuild the live cd for their own specific use cases, what is the recommended workflow?  I've been using the Live CD Customization guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization), but I was hoping there would be an easier way of just booting into the live environment, customizing the GUI, then saving it to an installable ISO. I'm curious to know how the Lubuntu dev team is
[09:20] <ShellcatZero> doing this.
 (Photo, 1280x770) https://i.imgur.com/fsZTm4U.jpg
 Good boi!
 ^^
 maybe i have to change the logo sticker when the new lts arrives?
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_2266.mp4
 Exclussive! New logo revealed!
 (Photo, 358x357) https://i.imgur.com/SV3B3pL.jpg
 .____.
 Errrrmm.... how to say...
 😂 yes?
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_2273
 😁
 thank you, neighbour
 well i just finished to install lubuntu on the laptop of an old friend
 another one
 taking them to the dark side? mwahaha
 yeah, of course! I convince a lot of people just showing how it works on my systems
 I do the same. They are like "really?!" when I say they can just download apps from the Software Center, free of viruses, and free of charge. No more seeking for apps in the Internet.
 we aer used to it, but they are kinda shocked. not so much since they saw Android's behaviour
 the only people i can't convince, are the "hard gamers"
 I have a "hard gamer" friend now in love with Steam ^^
 yep, but sometimes when they see they need win to play Call Of Duty or similar... bad thing
 yes
 but I see it's changing now
 there is a lot of good games for linux systems right now
 indeed
 but the most important thing, there's a lot of software, perfect replacements to ANY windows or mac app
 that's for sure!
 except for some specific industry ones
 and that's changing too
 today, the "normal" user, can use any of the gnu/linux outside for his computer without missing anything
 @tsimonq2  SiMÓN!! check if you see the Countdown menu in Phab
 @Wolfenprey, I made an experiment with a guy who doesn't know how to use a computer, and he's happy now with Ubuntu
 of course he calls me like panicking every 3 days, but I expecte that  even with Windows :$
 yep i made the same sometimes, like "try it", "call me if you have trouble"
 😁
 "are you sure i dont need an antivirus" yesss, "ARE YOU SURE"
 XD
 and "why are these apps there to take? for free?!"
 hahaa
 and I answer "because people like ME put them there to take for free"
 where s the trick??
 "because we want"
 normally, after the first days and the learning curve, people seems happy
 anyway, proprieatary software is doomed. you can't develop an app woth 400 workers and compete with another app with millions behind it
 that's why "unix" grew up so fast the last years
 sorry, "desktop unix"
 yep, it's growing fast
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_2274.mp4
 XD
 @ichigeki54, Wellcome! @ichigeki54
[15:35] <ShellcatZero> Where is lubot relaying messages from?
 Telegram
 and Matrix
[16:42] <wxl[m]> Lubot only relays from Telegram
 oh, and who brings messages from Matrix?
[17:15] <wxl[m]> Individual users via a bridge Matrix has installed on Freenode
 mhm
 @Czlek, o/
 Sup dudes
[21:11] <wxl> s/dudes/people/
[21:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: how do we make all of phab public?
 @wxl, Good question. Let me ask Ikey how he did it.
[21:13] <wxl> thx


[08:31] <Mirv> is there some current top unity8 autopkgtest flakiness cause?
[08:31] <Mirv> it seems I got qmltestrunner::DashContent::test_unfavoriteScope
[08:34] <Mirv> bug #1653629 if interested, didn't find an existing one
[08:34] <ubot5`> bug 1653629 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "unity 8 flaky test test_unfavoriteScope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1653629
[09:52] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i have not seen it recently tbh
[09:52] <tsdgeos> but let me try to reproduce
[09:52] <tsdgeos> recently or at all
[09:52] <tsdgeos> i don't remember unfavoriteScope failing
[09:53] <tsdgeos> Mirv: was that in a special silo or just plain trunk?
[09:57] <Saviq> Mirv, welcome back! you remember how to use a computer still? ;)
[09:57] <greyback> hey folks, Happy New Year!
[10:18] <Mirv> Saviq: barely :)
[10:19] <Mirv> tsdgeos: silo with qtsystems Mir fix
[10:19] <Mirv> so probably unrelated
[10:19] <Mirv> a fix oSoMoN might be interested at
[10:24] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:34] <oSoMoN> Mirv, yup, I’m interested indeed, testing the silo now
[11:35] <Mirv> oSoMoN: thanks!
[13:48] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I can’t flash my frieza with a xenial image atm, but my tests of silo 2326 on desktop are all good, +1 from me
[14:25]  * mterry waves hello
[14:58] <Mirv> oSoMoN: thanks!
[14:58] <Mirv> let's wait for QA then next
[15:21] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, would you please approve/abstain https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/qtubuntu/menuTheme/+merge/296997 please?
[15:43] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I finally managed to flash my M10 with a xenial image, and I confirm that silo 2326 fixes my issue
[16:59] <Mirv> Saviq: oSoMoN: ok
[17:03] <morphis> anyone knows what I need to do to get a .desktop file I placed in $HOME/.local/share/applications to show up in the unity7 dash?
[17:07] <seb128> morphis, nothing, just need to file to be valid
[17:07] <morphis> seb128: hm
[17:08] <morphis> seb128: I have multiple in a subfolder of $HOME/.local/share/applications like wine does for example too but they don't show up in the dash
[17:08] <morphis> seb128: is there a way for force unity7 to reload?
[17:08] <seb128> morphis, unsure if subfolders are ok
[17:08] <morphis> seb128: it didn't worked without
[17:09] <morphis> seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23734390/
[17:10] <seb128> morphis, if you use desktop-file-validate on it what does it say?
[17:10] <morphis> doesn't report any error
[17:11] <seb128> morphis, you can try restarting the unity-scope-loarder process I guess
[17:12] <seb128> morphis, is the binary listed in Exec available and in the standard path?
[17:12] <morphis> seb128: it has to?
[17:12] <seb128> morphis, if not gio is going to filter out the desktop as invalid
[17:12] <seb128> yes
[17:12] <seb128> see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765723
[17:12] <morphis> ok
[17:12] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 765723 in gio "g_desktop_app_info_new_from_filename returns NULL if the executable does not yet exist." [Normal,New]
[17:13] <seb128> that bug is an issue we workarounded
[17:13] <seb128> but the behaviour is described there
[17:13] <morphis> seb128: interesting
[17:13] <seb128> see https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=f641699299ed2713cf247e3465bb1a21612b36f7
[17:15] <morphis> seb128: thanks
[17:15] <seb128> morphis, yw!
[17:15] <seb128> morphis, that's your issue?
[17:15] <morphis> seb128: its actually in /snap/bin
[17:15] <seb128> which might not be in the path of the unity scope process?
[17:16] <seb128> it should though
[17:16] <seb128> I've seen that work, snap with a .desktop listed in the dash
[17:17] <morphis> me too
[17:17] <seb128> try changing the Exec to be e.g "gedit" and see if that fixes it?
[17:18] <morphis> doing that right now
[17:22] <morphis> seb128: ok, looks like that is the issue
[17:23] <seb128> morphis, k, well at least you have a clue what's going on
[17:23] <morphis> seb128: yes, but wondering why it doesn't detect it when the binary is in /snap/bin
[17:23] <seb128> morphis, $ strings /proc/`pidof /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader`/environ | grep PATH | grep snap
[17:24] <seb128> morphis, does that list /snap/bin in the path for you?
[17:24] <morphis> no
[17:24] <seb128> it does for me (16.04)
[17:24] <morphis> hm, being on 16.04 here too
[17:26] <morphis> seb128: should it be in /etc/environment?
[17:29] <seb128> no
[17:30] <seb128> morphis, snapd installs /etc/profile.d/apps-bin-path.sh
[17:30] <morphis> I see
[17:31] <seb128> tough I'm unsure now if profile.d is supposed to be a shell thing
[17:31] <morphis> seb128: hm, its in my shells PATH
[17:31] <seb128> like command line
[17:31] <morphis> yeah
[17:31] <seb128> in which case I'm unsure what adds it to the graphical session
[17:32] <morphis> hm
[17:32] <seb128> in fact no
[17:32] <seb128>  /etc/profile should be a pam thing
[17:32] <seb128> morphis, is your system a stock 16.04?
[17:32] <seb128> or do you have the overlay ppa or systemd user session enabled?
[17:33] <morphis> none of both
[17:33] <morphis> so stock
[17:33] <seb128> you start your session from lightdm?
[17:33] <morphis> yes
[17:33] <morphis> stock system but installed for quite a long time alread
[17:33] <morphis> no big customizations
[17:34] <seb128> k, needs debugging I guess then
[17:35] <morphis> seb128: I guess upstart starts the scope-loader in this case, right?
[17:35] <seb128> morphis, what's the ppid from unity-scope-loader?
[17:35] <seb128> right
[17:35] <morphis> ppid?
[17:35] <seb128> should be upstart --user
[17:35] <seb128> morphis, the process that spawned that one
[17:36] <seb128> you should be able to see it in a ps afx
[17:36] <morphis> second
[17:37] <morphis> its the upstart --user process
[17:37] <morphis> but I don't find it in one of the upstart session scripts in /usr/share/upstart/session
[17:41] <morphis> seb128: ah, its dbus activated
[17:43] <seb128> that makes sense
[17:43] <seb128> still doesn't explain why the env is right here and not for you :-/
[17:44] <seb128> morphis, my dbus-daemon process has it in his PATH
[17:44] <morphis> seb128: I think I know the problem
[17:44] <seb128> its*
[17:44] <seb128> oh?
[17:44] <morphis> I had some crappy jdk stuff in my /etc/profile overring PATH
[17:47] <seb128> morphis, better?
[17:47] <morphis> seb128: yes
[17:47] <seb128> :-)
[17:47] <morphis> it really gets time that these things become read-only :-)
[17:47] <morphis> seb128: thanks!
[17:47] <seb128> if the jdk stuff comes from the archive you should probably report that bug
[17:47] <seb128> morphis, yw!
[17:48] <morphis> seb128: no it doesn't
[17:48] <seb128> k
[17:48] <morphis> I fear it was some hack I used when I had to get some jdk working
[17:48] <seb128> your fault then :-)
[17:48] <morphis> its no in the default /etc/profile stuff and is pretty stupid
[17:48] <seb128> well at least you figured it out
[17:48] <morphis> it is!
[17:48] <morphis> seb128: and now all .desktop entries appear even from the subfolder
[17:58] <seb128> morphis, good to know


[20:00] <sadmac2> Keybuk: did you perchance look at the state machine explanation I gave on the list?


[05:19] <magespawn> good morning
[05:33] <magespawn> good morning
[06:01] <Kilos> morning all
[06:56] <pieter2627> hi Kilos inetpro superfly Sxuza Squirm spinza and all other
[06:56] <pieter2627> hope you all are enjoying the new year
[07:04] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:04] <inetpro> oh and wb pieter2627
[07:04] <pieter2627> ty inetpro
[08:21] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[08:21] <Kilos> sorry i took so long
[08:21] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[08:25] <superfly> ohi
[08:28] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[10:36] <Sxuza> hey Cryterion
[10:36] <Sxuza> compliments of the new year
[12:15] <nlsthzn> o/ all
[12:20] <nlsthzn> back from the land of the windows and surprise surprise ubuntu is again the one stop easy shop into doing everything I need... even accessing work systems via citrix and all manor of shenanigans :p
[13:40] <magespawn> good afternoon
[13:48] <nlsthzn> hey magespawn
[13:48] <nlsthzn> all well?
[13:52] <magespawn> hi nlsthzn
[13:52] <magespawn> relatively, and you?
[13:52] <nlsthzn> average thanks :p
[13:54] <magespawn> just realised that it is home time, already
[14:00] <nlsthzn> nice thing to realize I guess :)
[17:09] <nlsthzn> seems to become quieter and quieter in here... then again I am not here a lot any more...
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:37] <Kilos> its because im quiet
[17:37] <Kilos> these peeps need continuous nagging
[17:38] <Kilos> hi techedemic
[17:38] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:45] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ... how are you?
[17:45] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn and you?
[17:46] <nlsthzn> fine thanks :)
[18:10] <superfly> ohi
[18:21] <nlsthzn> a wild superfly appears
[18:22] <superfly> nlsthzn: "wild"?
[18:22] <superfly> since when?!
[18:22] <nlsthzn> forgot you are domesticated :p
[18:23]  * nlsthzn needs to go sleepy now... day shift in the morning :'(
[18:23] <nlsthzn> g'night all
[18:23] <superfly> haha
[18:23] <superfly> good night nlsthzn
[18:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:25] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[18:26] <inetpro> hmm... and even nlsthzn?
[18:26] <Kilos> 14mm last night
[18:26] <Kilos> early morning actually
[18:26] <inetpro> wb and good night nlsthzn
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: 11mm
[18:26] <Kilos> what
[18:27] <nlsthzn> o/ night inetpro and uncle Kilos and superfly
[18:27] <Kilos> i win
[18:27] <Kilos> w000000t
[18:27] <inetpro> gaan slaap nou oom :-)
[18:27] <Kilos> sleep tight nlsthzn
[18:27] <Kilos> haha
[18:27] <inetpro> good evening everyone


[00:05] <Musashimaru> event for what?
[00:06] <Musashimaru> when?
[00:08] <Musashimaru> Montreal is full of event.
[00:08] <Musashimaru> This week-end there was the Zombi parade. :)
[00:12] <MarkDude> Well maybe Ubuntu related. She runs it. HAs for a while
[00:12] <MarkDude> We have a pretty active team her in Cali, we have picnics, as well as Ubuntu hours
[00:13] <Ankman> zombies
[00:13] <MarkDude> +1 for zombies
[00:13] <Ankman> heard on the radio there was a meeting to discuss zombie culture. called zombosium *g*
[00:14] <Musashimaru> I know some people here have meeting in a bar or restaurant in montreal during the week.
[00:16] <MarkDude> So I should just keep an ear out for Ubuntu events to tell her about?
[00:16] <Musashimaru> I'm checking if I can find any link for you.
[00:17] <gaspoucho> http://www.agendadulibre.qc.ca
[00:18] <Musashimaru> gaspoucho, you just provide it before me... :(
[00:18] <gaspoucho> hahaha but not everything in it is in Montreal
[00:19] <Musashimaru> MarkDude, gaspoucho link refer to event about free software. This is in french, but It may be a good start point for your friend
[00:19] <Musashimaru> gaspoucho, not all, but 50%, so it's ok... :)
[00:20] <Musashimaru> Maybe on novembre 1 I will attend the linux meetup. it's close to my office.
[00:22] <MarkDude> ty gaspoucho Musashimaru
[00:22] <MarkDude> How techie is the Linux meetup?
[00:22] <MarkDude> She is very smart and savvy. Just not too technical
[00:23] <Musashimaru> I've no idea. I will go just to check. I think it's more usage meetup. Not that technical.
[00:23] <gaspoucho> it's more a social event than a technical one
[00:24] <MarkDude> Well that sounds good
[00:24]  * MarkDude appreciates the help
[00:30] <Musashimaru> MarkDude, the meetup is in a "super-Geek" bar... :)
[00:30] <Musashimaru> http://foonzo.com/a-propos/
[00:30] <Musashimaru> it will be funny.
[00:33] <MarkDude> Cool, I told her, she may go to one. She has a friend that also uses Linux at the school- so thats good
[01:12] <cyphermox> yo!
[01:19] <pangolin> hey cyphermox
[01:21] <pangolin> When do you leave for UDS?
[01:21] <pangolin> I need to bring you some money :)
[01:28] <pangolin> if it is ok I will try to come by the office tomorrow.
[01:30] <cyphermox> sure
[01:30] <cyphermox> I leave on sunday VEM
[01:30] <cyphermox> (very early morning)
[01:31] <cyphermox> MarkDude: to answer your question it's really not all that technical usually, the linux meetup
[16:58] <Mobidoy> cyphermox: c'est quoi encore qu'il faut ajouter pour docker la sidebar sous unity ?
[17:16] <pangolin> compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:16] <pangolin> after you install it you will see a Unity plugin in there and you can set the dock to stay visible
[17:16] <pangolin> if I remember it right
[17:17] <pangolin> some applications will get over lapped by the dock/launcher
[17:17] <pangolin> that is a bug
[17:22] <Mobidoy> yeah, found it while waiting finaly, the thing is, I set the autohide to never but the bummer still auto-hide LOL !
[17:58] <Mobidoy> pangolin: a procedure that work: sudo apt-get install dconf-tools
[17:58] <Mobidoy> then disable autohide:
[17:58] <Mobidoy> dconf write /com/canonical/unity-2d/launcher/use-strut true
[17:59] <pangolin> that is the hard way but yeah that works also
[18:00] <Mobidoy> hard way but it does work, the other one on this computer wasn't
[18:19] <cyphermox> Mobidoy: makes some sense, use-strut works with slightly different code paths I think
[18:24] <Mobidoy> On my airplane the compizconfig worked but not on the Acer, had to use use-strut
[18:57] <Chex> im trying to decide when I want to upgrade my work machine to Ocelot
[18:58] <pangolin> what you running now?
[18:58] <pangolin> which version?
[19:00] <pangolin> doesn't really matter, if the version you are running now is stable and works, keep it.
[19:15] <Mobidoy> ok 2 things, I have a partition that is in NTFS, it is for Data that I use in W7 and Ubuntu. Why is it that when I mount it on the fly in Ubuntu it is read-only !! ???
[19:16] <Mobidoy> second, I do i take back my OpenPGP keys that I have created long time ago (that are in my launchpad) and bring them back in this installation (so i can use it with Thunderbird
[19:20] <cyphermox> oh sweet, fastest time to commit eva!!!
[19:21] <cyphermox> Mobidoy: you will need to still have your private key, which you can export from your old system
[19:22] <cyphermox> gpg --export-secret-keys > Mobidoy,key
[19:22] <cyphermox> then you can gpg --import Mobidoy.key or something on the new install
[19:23] <cyphermox> as for NTFS, I think that's still expected because NTFS writing in Linux is still kind of scary
[19:23] <cyphermox> Mobidoy: btw, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/?id=3863c87f18bad803e6ce75d8c26f65b93db3368c
[19:24] <Mobidoy> cool...
[19:24] <cyphermox> je viens de finir de l'écrire et c'est déjà accepté et committé
[19:24] <Mobidoy> Gratzy :-)
[19:24] <cyphermox> jva shipper ca dans la prochaine release pour aider au déboguage
[19:44] <Chex> pangolin: 11.04
[19:44] <Chex> pangolin: im celebrating the 1st time in years I dont have to uprgade ahead of a release.. trying to relish it
[20:06] <cyphermox> maybe I just put my feet in a dangerous hole, but I sent an email to the list if people want to make *small* orders of little things they want me to
[20:06] <cyphermox> ... bring back from UDS
[21:15] <Chex> cyphermox: heh
[21:15] <Chex> cyphermox: I never went to UDS, or wanted to, or wanted Swag, but someone would inevitably dump something on my desk, from time to time
[21:48] <Mobidoy> What the heck... where is the screen saver setting ? Cant find it in Oneiric, trying to disable it... my screen stay black when on it and I have to reboot !
[21:59] <MagicFab> Mobidoy, GONE!
[21:59] <MagicFab> --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/808512
[22:00] <MagicFab> It's another "improvement" -> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/09/disable-screen-saver-lock-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/
[22:05] <Mobidoy> it is the black lighting that does not reappear after going to screensaving mode
[22:11] <Chex> Mobidoy: wow, that is so annoying
[22:11] <Chex> Mobidoy: who the hell makes the decsions on changes like this??
[22:13] <mdeslaur> yay for gnome
[22:13] <Chex> I thought the sliderbar in the screensaver window was pretty damn cool and easy-to-use.. now this..
[22:14]  * Chex makes one black mark against upgrading to 11.10..
[22:38] <Mobidoy> Chex: yup pretty annoying but finaly, one of the issue is that the back lighting slider goes all the way down to no back lighting (no minimum) so, this is what happened lol !!
[23:38] <cyphermox> Mobidoy: back lighting has nothing to do with anybody's decision, that's clearly an X or kms bug
[23:41] <Mobidoy> cyphermox: yup I know... will need to find the file that has the minimum and change it to something else than 0 lighting :-)
[23:45] <cyphermox> isn't it in gnome-control-center screensaver thing directly?
[23:48] <cyphermox> I mean, if the backlight is lowered, by own much and all of that is not in a file anywhere, or at least i doubt it is
[23:52] <Mobidoy> Ceci est pour moi juste au cas ou la procedure plante, je vais pouvoir le retrouver sur mon autre portable :-)
[23:52] <Mobidoy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846818&highlight=optimus
[23:58] <cyphermox> urf... moi je roulais pas ca du tout
[23:58] <cyphermox> mais bon c'est au choix ;)
[23:59] <martin____> petit question pour vous...
[23:59] <cyphermox> martin____: shoot! :)
[23:59] <martin____> depuis que je suis du 11.10, tou.tv ca marche pu! et-ce normal?


[13:16] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[20:51] <highvoltage-test> ok, webchat still works at least :)


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[19:58] <Bashing-om> Away for about 30 minutes.
[20:32] <Bashing-om> annddd back :P
[21:18] <Unit193> "Telegram updates desktop app with chat export, night theme" Uhh, that latter one isn't new, at all.
[21:20] <Wild_Man> Hello, what do you want me to do?
[21:27] <Wild_Man> krytarik, all social media, the forum, M/L? is sit ready?
[21:28] <krytarik> Yes, it's ready but nobody decided to get started yet - so I guess feel free to. :)
[21:29] <Wild_Man> I am going to start with the forum the M/L
[21:29] <Wild_Man> go from there
[21:29] <krytarik> Yes, please always do the original mail first.
[21:30] <Wild_Man> Okay, the one with the whole newsletter?
[21:31] <krytarik> Yes.
[21:31] <Wild_Man> Okay
[21:33] <Bashing-om> I be here too :P
[21:34] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, do you want to do the forum?
[21:35] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sure I do the forum .
[21:35] <Wild_Man> Okay, Thanks!
[21:40] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: krytarik Forum post done :)
[21:46] <Wild_Man> Thanks Bashing-om !
[21:47] <Wild_Man> M/L done, twitter, FB and google+
[21:50] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: We ready now to do the wiki re-directs ?
[21:54] <Wild_Man> I do not see why not
[21:54] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^^
[21:55] <Bashing-om> Have not seen confirmation from the Fridge yet that 542 is out :(
[21:56] <Wild_Man> me neither, does that delay the re-directs?
[21:57] <Wild_Man> it is about to storm here I will probably lose internet and electricity
[21:58] <krytarik> Fasten seat belts then! :P
[21:58] <Wild_Man> Indeed! :P
[21:59] <krytarik> And I'm gonna let Chris do the Fridge again. >_>
[22:05] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: krytarik As to delaying the re-directs, well the re-directs are done anyway :)
[22:10] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Thanks!


[07:16] <peter-bittner> I'm interested in the state of "restoring windows when attaching / detaching external monitors". Is the work on this topic progressing, or is there some (easy) help needed from the community, maybe?
[07:16] <peter-bittner> I've asked a question about that on  the ubuntu-phone mailing list, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16985.html
[09:35] <alan_g> alf__: which was the disp-conf bug we discussed yesterday?
[09:38] <peter-bittner> Sorry to disturb you: I'm interested in the state of "restoring windows when attaching / detaching external monitors". Is the work on this topic progressing somehow?
[09:39] <alf__> alan_g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1518317
[09:40] <alan_g> peter-bittner: that sounds as though it cross-cuts Mir, Qtmir and Unity8. There's some work in Mir that will likely be landing in 0.18 and Gerry and I started on some Qtmir work that impacts it this week. Don't know about U8 though.
[09:41] <alan_g> alf__: thanks
[10:08] <alf__> alan_g: just in case you didn't see it, there is a comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1518317 with some thoughts and a link to my WIP branch
[10:08] <alan_g> alf__: thanks, was just about to look (was still in qtmir-land)
[10:21] <peter-bittner> alan_g: What is "landing in 0.18" in terms of OTA or Ubuntu release date (for desktop computers)? Sorry for my ignorance.
[10:22] <peter-bittner> And does fixing that issue translate into "application windows (positions, dimensions) will be restored when attaching / detaching external monitors automatically"?
[10:44] <peter-bittner> This is the problem I intend to be solved: http://askubuntu.com/questions/561197/is-there-a-way-to-prevent-your-windows-from-moving-when-an-external-monitor-is-c/561824#comment1031840_561824
[10:44] <peter-bittner> Are we on the same page?
[10:45] <peter-bittner> I've also asked a question about that on  the ubuntu-phone mailing list, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16985.html
[16:54] <ahayzen> greyback, thanks for commenting on that music-app power consumption bug :-)
[16:56] <greyback> ahayzen: it just emphasizes that lifecycle exemption is not a good solution for background processes
[16:56] <ahayzen> yup :-) greyback hopefully we can remove our exception in the short-medium term, as the bgplaylists is getting close now, we'll then just need one extra thing from media-hub :-)
[17:00] <greyback> *nod*
[17:01] <greyback> but more generally, we need something better
[17:01] <ahayzen> i think trusted services are the best solution... we just need more services/expand them
[17:02] <greyback> I think we need ability to occasionally wake up the app to ask it "the list is about to run out, do you want more stuff added to the list, or can I stop"
[17:46] <alan_g> alf__: (if you're still around) I resubmitted ~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1518317/ after rebasing on anpok's conflicting (and simplifying) MP. Maybe you can re-approve?
[17:54] <alf__> alan_g: done
[17:55] <alan_g> ta


[00:47] <nik90> ahayzen: perhaps we can then merge your convergence branch then
[00:47] <ahayzen> nik90, which one?
[00:48] <ahayzen> nik90, oh the toolbar one?
[00:48] <nik90> ahayzen: oh yeah the toolbar one..
[00:48]  * nik90 has no idea why he said convergence branch
[00:48] <ahayzen> nik90, it'll probably be merged by morning
[00:48] <nik90> ok
[00:48] <ahayzen> nik90, it has convergence in the branch name
[00:49] <ahayzen> nik90, victor usually works off the emails so bit of a delay
[00:49] <nik90> true
[00:50] <ahayzen> nik90, anyway i've got work tomorrow so no 6AM sprints for me :/ ... all i've got left for the mediaplayer refactor is rewrite the autopilot tests, lots of testing and check nothing else can be moved :)
[00:50] <nik90> ahayzen: hehe
[00:51] <nik90> ahayzen: see you tomorrow then
[00:51] <ahayzen> nik90, Victor: 'Yep, I'm just finishing my review. I should top approve shortly.'
[00:51] <nik90> ah nice :)
[00:52] <ahayzen> nik90, cyas
[07:23] <dpm> morning mzanetti, I had a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/add-image-support/+merge/199031 this morning. It worked well for me (images look great, nice work btw), but it needs a small fix to resolve merge conflicts
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <mzanetti> hi dpm. yep. will resolve conflicts
[08:57] <dpm> mzanetti, awesome.
[09:06] <mzanetti> dpm: resolved: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/add-image-support/+merge/199031
[09:09] <dpm> mzanetti, cool, re-testing it now. Also, do you know why I'm prompted for the phablet user passwork like 10 times when running the run_on_ubuntu_touch.sh script?
[09:10] <popey> not seen that
[09:10] <dpm> I've seen that both on my laptop (13.10) and on my desktop (14.04)
[09:11] <popey> dpm: using phone or emulator?
[09:11] <dpm> phone, I get prompts like this:
[09:11] <dpm> Warning: Permanently added '[<IP_ADDRESS>]:2222' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[09:11] <dpm><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[09:11] <dpm> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed.
[09:11] <dpm> Warning: Permanently added '[<IP_ADDRESS>]:2222' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[09:11] <dpm><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[09:12] <popey> odd
[09:17] <dpm> are we starting to recite these popey? https://plus.google.com/101094190333184858950/posts/MPmUkVqrspU ;-)
[09:20] <popey> hah
[09:22] <popey> to the vets... biab
[09:23] <dpm> mzanetti, is the click building part of the run_on_ubuntu_touch.sh script functional? I've got a meeting with Dani from design in ~40 minutes to help him install the app in preparation for the meeting later on, and I'm thinking to just grab the latest branch (the use-webview one, the cmake migration one is not interesting for him), create a click out of it and give it to him for installation
[09:23] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah, should work
[09:24] <mzanetti> let me know if it doesn't and I'll fix.
[09:24] <dpm> let me grab that branch and try
[09:30] <dpm> mzanetti, it seems to work, but I think it needs calling the script without arguments to build the binaries first. I had a previous build from another branch and it just packaged that instead of rebuilding. Not a big deal, though
[09:30] <mzanetti> dpm: interesting.... using it -c should build it too.
[09:30] <mzanetti> will fix
[09:31] <dpm> mzanetti, it must have detected there was an old build already and just picked that one up
[09:31] <dpm> it's not a big deal
[09:31] <dpm> I can just rebuild for now
[09:31] <mzanetti> dpm: the script does: configure; build; if -c package else run;
[09:32] <mzanetti> so its still weird what it did
[09:34] <dpm> mzanetti, man, it makes a huge difference using webview, it looks great!
[09:34] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah. the webview branch is a good one :)
[09:39] <mzanetti> dpm: sorry. missed your question before...
[09:39] <mzanetti> dpm: do a run_on_device -s. that will deploy your ssh key to the device
[09:39] <dpm> ah, cool, thanks
[09:41] <dpm> I get a chown: cannot access '/home/phablet/.ssh': No such file or directory
[09:41] <dpm> chown: cannot access '/home/phablet/.ssh/authorized_keys': No such file or directory
[09:41] <dpm> chmod: cannot access '/home/phablet/.ssh': No such file or directory
[09:41] <dpm> chmod: cannot access '/home/phablet/.ssh/authorized_keys': No such file or directory
[09:43] <mzanetti> dpm: hmm... ok. you've found another bug :) do a "mkdir /home/phablet/.ssh" manually for now. I'll fix the script then
[09:43] <dpm> ok, no worries, not a big deal either
[09:43] <mzanetti> dpm: can you please reapprove this one? I just merged it with trunk: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/notebooksdelegate/+merge/199033
[09:44] <dpm> yeah
[09:48] <dpm> mzanetti, in the meantime, could you test if the click package works for you too? It's the use-webview branch packaged -> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.reminders-app_0.1_armhf.click
[09:48] <mzanetti> ack
[09:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Peculiar People Day! :-D
[10:06] <mzanetti> dpm: package seems to work for me
[10:06] <dpm> perfect, thanks for confirming
[10:10] <mzanetti> dpm: hmm... for some reason it doesn't seem to pick up my evernote account any more
[10:10] <dpm> mzanetti, weird, it works here
[10:12] <dpm> mzanetti, is your account still listed under settings > accounts?
[10:12] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah, I just deleted and recreated it
[10:12] <dpm> ok
[10:14] <mzanetti> dpm: fixed conflicts in this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/basic-workflow/+merge/199035
[10:16] <dpm> mzanetti, ok, cool, I'll test it after the call, I need to prepare the instructions for the design call in ~15. Or let me see if I can do it now real quick...
[11:02] <mzanetti> dpm: once you're back from the meeting, here's one more :/ https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/use-webview/+merge/199371
[11:02] <mzanetti> dpm: sorry for all those conflicts. not sure where I messed up. the intention was to use the prerequisite branches in order to prevent this
[11:02] <mzanetti> but I messed up somewhere in the middle and so the conflicts propagate through the whole chain
[11:07] <dpm> mzanetti, no worries, yeah, noticed them this morning when I was merging them manually to see what was going on. It told me that the web-view branch had a criss-cross merge conflict
[11:07] <dpm> mzanetti, mission accomplished. Dani has got Reminders install, ready for the meeting later on. He also prepared an HTML5 prototype for the wireframes that he'll share with us in a bit
[11:07] <dpm> *installed
[11:37] <dpm> mzanetti, approved
[11:38] <popey> nik90: fiddling with the blueprint, don't be alarmed (GET IT!?)
[11:38] <popey> I'm so funny.
[11:41] <mzanetti> dpm: cheers
[12:24] <mzanetti> dpm: interesting... the welcome note actually fetches images for you?
[12:24] <mzanetti> dpm: that didn't work for me. Apparently because its a private resource and the WebView wasn't authenticated
[12:24] <mzanetti> would be interesting to know if you did something special
[12:25] <dpm> mzanetti, yeah, that was the first thing I noticed before I created a specific note with an image attachment
[12:26] <dpm> mzanetti, I don't think I did, that's the default note that came with the account I created months ago. Although I think I might have edited the note, which might have made a difference?
[12:26] <mzanetti> dpm: hmm... I guess I know what's wrong... I deleted my welcome note a while back
[12:26] <mzanetti> dpm: in order to have it again for testing purposes I created a second account and copied the welcome note over to the existing one
[12:27] <dpm> aha
[12:27] <mzanetti> most likely that keeps references for the image to the other account where I'm not authenticated to
[12:27] <mzanetti> one more problem solved :)
[13:31] <WebbyIT> popey, just see the blueprint: I love to have new homework ;-)
[13:31] <popey> \o/
[13:31] <ogra_> crazy people
[13:31] <popey> s/crazy/community/
[13:31] <ogra_> :)
[13:31] <WebbyIT> :D
[13:31] <popey> no, wait, you were right first time ㋛
[13:33] <WebbyIT> popey, when have we to mark as released a milestone?
[13:33] <WebbyIT> popey, e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+milestone/coreapps-2014-week-2
[13:34] <popey> we haven't been doing that typically.
[13:35] <popey> been just using them for targetting and keeping track, not doing releases as such
[13:35] <popey> but release when ready.
[13:35] <WebbyIT> like Debian, wow
[13:36] <dpm> lol
[13:36] <WebbyIT> about bug #1267820, is a good shortcut ctrl+enter to tear off?
[13:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1267820 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Fix up keyboard shortcuts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267820
[13:38] <popey> WebbyIT: hard to discover
[13:38] <popey> but I dont have a better suggestion
[13:48] <nik90> popey: lol (to your comment about the BP)
[13:48] <popey> ☻
[13:49] <popey> It's friday. Going a bit loony over here.
[13:50] <nik90> popey: oh btw I started tracking clock app desktop bugs with the tag "desktop-convergence"
[13:58] <popey> nik90: nice one
[13:58] <popey> will re-use that
[13:59] <nik90> popey: oh btw, if you have time could you test https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/timer-notification/+merge/201127
[14:00] <nik90> it is to do with the timer notification. let a timer end and you will see/hear stuff
[14:04] <nik90> mzanetti: do you think that the dialer-transition branch can land? I implemented all the fixes you requested.
[14:05]  * mzanetti checks
[14:07] <popey> nik90: will do a little later, yes.
[14:07] <mzanetti> nik90: yes. looks good to me. However, I don't have permissions to top approve
[14:07] <mzanetti> popey: ^
[14:07] <mzanetti> popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/dialer-transition/+merge/200740
[14:08] <popey> mzanetti: nik90 can add you to the team if that's easiest?
[14:08] <mzanetti> better not. otherwise I have to do real work on the clock app too :P
[14:08] <nik90> will do that
[14:08] <popey> haha
[14:09] <nik90> hehe
[14:09] <popey> No pressure..
[14:09] <WebbyIT> There is a simple way to leave focus from a child without have a global var?
[14:09] <popey> .. sign here.
[14:09] <mzanetti> :D
[14:10] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: call forceActiveFocus() on something else :)
[14:10] <mzanetti> its a bit cheating tho
[14:10] <nik90> mzanetti: added you to the team. I know you are really busy with reminders app and other stuff..so no contributions to clock app required. I just need some help with reviewing branches.
[14:10] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, yeah. I have only to find what 'something else' is :P
[14:11] <timp> nik90: hi
[14:11] <timp> nik90: we figured out the problem with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1259917
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1259917 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Using a Qml Loader in combination with Pagestack and Tabs results in incorrect positioning" [High,In progress]
[14:11] <timp> nik90: the loader resizes the Page, see http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-loader.html#loader-sizing-behavior
[14:11] <mzanetti> nik90: approved
[14:11] <timp> nik90: it should work fine when the anchors of the loader are set like Loader { anchors { left: parent.left; right: parent.right; bottom: parent.bottom } }
[14:11] <nik90> timp: yeah I just saw the email now
[14:12] <timp> nik90: it doesn't seem very intuitive though. I'll update the Tabs docs
[14:12] <nik90> timp: ah..awesome!
[14:12] <timp> nik90: email? I don't know of an email
[14:12] <nik90> timp: when u replied to the bug report, I got an email
[14:12] <timp> ah ok
[14:12] <timp> nik90: I'll test your example code with my suggestion and propose an MR to update the docs
[14:13] <nik90> timp: okay..I will try as well
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: you forgot the ..and here ...and initial here
[14:13] <popey> ☻
[14:14] <nik90> timp: but in my sample project, I did specify anchors.fill: parent
[14:30] <timp> nik90: yes, and that sets the height of the Loader, which in case will set the height of the Page that it loads, so the height computation inside the Page (to fit the header) is overridden
[14:31] <timp> nik90: try specifying left, right and bottom anchors only. no height or top anchor
[14:31] <timp> nik90: I know it is not very intuitive
[14:34] <nik90> timp: then the loaded page does not show anything
[14:34] <nik90> the rectangles disappear
[14:56] <timp> nik90: ok, let me have a look.. give me a minute
[14:59] <timp> zsombi: there is still an issue with the anchors of the loader
[14:59] <timp> zsombi: the height of the Page depends on the height of its parent....
[14:59] <timp> zsombi: so not setting the Loader height will mess things up
[14:59] <timp> nik90: ^ yeah my proposed solution doesn't work
[14:59] <zsombi> :/
[15:00] <timp> zsombi: I could use the parentNode.height instead of parent.height
[15:01] <timp> zsombi: but hmm... normally that will work, but not if there are weird constructions like when a Page only has to cover a part of its parent Item
[15:01] <timp> zsombi: ah.. in those exceptional cases the Page height is overridden anyway :)
[15:01] <zsombi> timp: hold on, is there such a construct???
[15:02] <timp> zsombi: which construct?
[15:02] <zsombi> (17.01.03) timp: zsombi: but hmm... normally that will work, but not if there are weird constructions like when a Page only has to cover a part of its parent Item
[15:02] <timp> zsombi: I never saw it. It is a theoretical case (quite unlikely though, especially on devices)
[15:02] <zsombi> timp: then should you deal with that?
[15:03] <zsombi> at all?
[15:03] <timp> probably not :) anyway for Tabs an PageStack it makes no sense at all
[15:03] <zsombi> timp: i say no
[15:03] <zsombi> indeed
[15:03] <zsombi> so just forget about that
[15:03] <zsombi> :)
[15:03] <timp> ok :)
[16:15] <labsin> Can anyone tell me when a new version of upstart-app-launch will be released? (Because of new commits for fat packages)
[16:17] <zsombi> Kaleo: an MR for you for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/stateSaverWithRepeater/+merge/201214
[16:17] <zsombi> Kaleo: a weekend present ;)
[18:14] <jdstrand> haptic feedback just showed up in the promoted images. is there a way for an app to opt out of (some of) it via QML?
[18:15] <ogra_> you wish :)
[18:16]  * ogra_ had a discussion with tvoss about an inhibit service for such stuff today, seems thats nat wanted
[18:16] <ogra_> *not
[18:16] <ogra_> (though that was about orientation and screen suspend)
[18:29] <jdstrand> ogra_: hmm, well, hopefully we'll have something in settings to finetune it a bit, like on other platforms
[19:02] <nik90> mhall119, popey -> http://imgur.com/dtTdzo3
[19:02] <nik90> thoughts to the icons for sunrise and sunset
[19:02] <nik90> in response to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1198669
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1198669 in Ubuntu Clock App "[clock] German translation needs more space" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:07] <mhall119> nik90: I like the idea, but I don't know if those specific icons convey the idea
[19:09] <nik90> mhall119: we took the idea from https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/109279/gizmo_pictogram_season_simple_sun_sunset_weather_weather_app_icon#size=128
[19:10] <mhall119> nik90: could you maybe do sunrise in a light color, and sunset in a darker one?
[19:10] <nik90> mhall119: you mean the text or the icon?
[19:10] <mhall119> icon
[19:11] <nik90> mhall119: light shades of white or actual colors?
[19:11] <mhall119> of white should be fine
[19:18] <nik90> mhall119: http://imgur.com/a/vbVVE#0
[19:18] <nik90> I played with the opacity
[19:20] <mhall119> that helps, I think the times could stay the same color, if just the icon is dimmed
[19:20] <mhall119> though different shades for the time makes some sense too
[19:22] <nik90> yeah the line divider nice divides them 2 parts
[20:42] <Darcade> Hey, is there a nice api for developing c/c++ programms for unity/ubuntu?
[23:15] <ahayzen> nik90, ping


 Uploaded fixed pymca to Debian. Processing may be delayed because the queue server is down.
 pondering asking pyqt5 to be skiptested if other blockers are solved. numpy breakage is not ptqt5's fault
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/b4685b1d/ron_burgundy_escalated_quickly.mp4
 I have been thinking about that as well, except it doesn't help with Python 3.11 (re @RikMills: pondering asking pyqt5 to be skiptested if other blockers are solved. numpy breakage is not pyqt5's fault)


[03:28] <bobby> When I try and open FF4.0b2pre I get this message: Error: Could not launch application Failed to execute child process "firefox-4.0" (no such file or directory)
[03:28] <bobby> Help?
[03:29] <bobby> I'm in Maverick 64bit BTW
[04:15] <DanaG> Weird... Firefox is giving me a highly non-standard file chooser.
[04:16] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/dialog.png
[04:17] <DanaG> "too much recursion"
[04:17] <DanaG> I also get that in console.
[07:14] <fta2> chrisccoulson, hi, why do i have to re-add firefox-3.5-branding to upgrade firefox ??
[07:14] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - which release?
[07:14] <fta2> Setting up firefox-3.5-branding (3.6.8~hg20100714r34432+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid) ...
[07:15] <micahg> that doesn't sound good
[07:15] <fta2> The following packages have been kept back: firefox firefox-branding firefox-gnome-support language-pack-en language-pack-gnome-en language-pack-gnome-en-base language-pack-gnome-ja language-pack-ja-base
[07:15] <fta2> and after dist-upgrade:
[07:15] <fta2> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[07:15] <fta2>   firefox-3.5-branding
[07:16] <fta2> The following packages have been kept back:  language-pack-en language-pack-gnome-en language-pack-gnome-en-base language-pack-gnome-ja language-pack-ja-base
[07:16] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, firefox-3.5-branding should have disappeared in the dailies
[07:16] <fta2> it re-appeared
[07:17] <micahg> fta2: that's an old build
[07:17] <micahg> fta2: amd64?
[07:17] <fta2> yes
[07:17] <micahg> fta2: you have another couple hours till it builds
[07:18] <fta2> you mean couple of days
[07:18] <micahg> fta2: no, should be hours, 69 jobs/12 builders
[07:18] <fta2> lp is totally wrong, it's been 9h for more than 3 days
[07:18] <micahg> fta2: that was when there was 600 jobs
[07:19] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/dev/+build/1876498
[07:19] <fta2> created on 2010-07-16
[07:19] <fta2> Start in 1 hour
[07:19] <micahg> ugh, it'll be superceded
[07:19] <fta2> nope, it's -dev
[07:19] <micahg> oh
[07:20] <fta2> it means that x64 users of this ppa are doomed
[07:20] <micahg> oh, sorry, I would've had it bumped 3 days ago, I only had him bump chromium daily
[07:21] <fta2> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[07:27] <fta2> chrisccoulson, what's supposed to happen /wrt chromium & UNE? i see no activity from anyone else but me on this package
[07:27] <fta2> it's alarming
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - yeah, it was meant to be me helping out, but i've been busy with the mozilla security backports
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> i'll tell you this week what is happening
[07:29] <fta2> ok
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i suspect kazehakase doesn't build on karmic because it pulls in both versions of xulrunner
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> (it pulls in xulrunner-1.9.1 indirectly via ruby)
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> which sucks....
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> although the current version in the PPA doesn't build because i broke autotools
[09:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: here in linaro room next to the food/snack place
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> hi asac, i'm in the desktop room atm
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> fta2, what format is the chromium translations in?
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> it's another new format isn't it?
[10:14] <slimb00> need help in window.focus
[10:14] <slimb00> cant set focus to a add window
[10:14] <slimb00> add on
[11:42] <Milos_SD> Hi
[11:43] <Milos_SD> Firefox 4.0 started using it's own file browser, and not nautilus for open/save, how can I change it back to use nautilus?
[12:45] <Milos_SD> Firefox 4.0 started using it's own file browser, and not nautilus for open/save, how can I change it back to use nautilus?
[13:03] <gnomefreak> can you give me an example of what you are doing?
[13:04] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, me?
[13:04] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: yes
[13:04] <Milos_SD> when I want to save something, image for example
[13:04] <Milos_SD> now I have diferent dialog for it
[13:04] <Milos_SD> not the nautilus one that have side panel on the left
[13:05] <gnomefreak> what are you using? save as, save, ect
[13:05] <gnomefreak> thats a nautilus setting (the side bar)
[13:05] <Milos_SD> save image as
[13:06] <gnomefreak> k
[13:06] <Milos_SD> and File -> Open
[13:06] <Milos_SD> same dialogs
[13:06] <gnomefreak> testing
[13:08] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, I'm uploading screenshot of that dialog right now
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: ok im still looking for an image
[13:09] <Milos_SD> http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6075/screenshotsaveimage.png
[13:09] <Milos_SD> here it is
[13:09] <Milos_SD> that is what I get now
[13:10]  * gnomefreak kind of likes the dialog
[13:11] <gnomefreak> im making sure that is what you are seeing
[13:11] <gnomefreak> yep that is the one
[13:13] <fta2> chrisccoulson, hey, the langpacks are in .grd format. not something common i'm afraid, and far from .pot
[13:13] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: sorry but i dont see a way of doing it but you may want to check the advanced settings just be very careful
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> fta2, cool, thanks
[13:15] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: you want to wait for someone that knows more about FF4
[13:16] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, ok
[13:16] <Milos_SD> in advanced settings there is nothing for file dialogs :)
[13:16] <slimb00> window.focus() not working !! lease help.
[13:17] <fta2> chrisccoulson, just forwarded you an email on that topic
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> fta2, thanks
[13:18] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, I want this dialog: http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4080/screenshotsaveas.png
[13:18] <Milos_SD> :D
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> Milos_SD, what DE are you on?
[13:20] <Milos_SD> chrisccoulson, Gnome
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, works here
[13:21] <Milos_SD> in Opera I have normal nautilus dialog, but now on Firefox 4.0b2pre with latest update from ppa, I have that other dialog
[13:21] <Milos_SD> I had nautilus one before :)
[13:21] <Milos_SD> in 4.0b2pre offcorse
[13:22] <chrisccoulson> the dialog is the GTK one, it's nothing to do with nautilus
[13:22] <Milos_SD> maybe I need Firefox-3.7 trasitional package
[13:23] <Milos_SD> I know that I needed that when Firefox-4.0 package didn't have /usr/bin/firefox-4.0 file included
[13:23] <gnomefreak> no the trans package wont help you
[13:24] <gnomefreak> 3.7 == 4.0
[13:24] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: you get the naultilus dialog?
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, the GTK file chooser, yes
[13:25] <Milos_SD> this : http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6075/screenshotsaveimage.png
[13:25] <Milos_SD> or this: http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4080/screenshotsaveas.png
[13:25] <Milos_SD> ?
[13:25] <gnomefreak> hmm i get the new one http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6075/screenshotsaveimage.png
[13:25] <chrisccoulson> when did that start?
[13:26] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: dont know i just found out about it
[13:26]  * gnomefreak likes it :)
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> what is ui.allow_platform_file_picker set to?
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> false will give you the non-native file chooser
[13:28]  * gnomefreak looking
[13:28] <Milos_SD> true
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> in maverick?
[13:28] <Milos_SD> in Lucid
[13:29] <Milos_SD> 64bit
[13:29] <gnomefreak> sadly i cant find advanced settings
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> about:config
[13:29] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:30] <gnomefreak> maverick is also true
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> what version of firefox-4.0 are you running?
[13:34] <gnomefreak> 4.0~b2~hg20100719r47906+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> i have an older version
[13:34] <Milos_SD> 4.0~b2~hg20100719r47906+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i should build the latest version and try it out
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> oh, i'm not getting updates because the repository is pinned ;)
[13:38] <gnomefreak> good reason
[13:39]  * gnomefreak smoke
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> ok, i get it in the new version too
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> i'll look at what changed
[13:59]  * gnomefreak loves smartpm
[16:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if we're going to stop using enigmail-locales, we should do it soon, so we can get language-selector updated before 10.04.1
[19:35] <micahg> fta: I got some of the dev channel rescored
[19:38] <fta> micahg, thanks (told you the eta was bogus)
[19:38] <micahg> fta: yep
[19:52] <Dimmuxx> new week now so I ask again, any news on the beta ppa? ;)
[19:52] <micahg> Dimmuxx: uh, after TB31 :)
[19:53] <micahg> Dimmuxx: which will hopefully be later this week
[19:53] <Dimmuxx> okay
[20:56] <fta> bug 605979  \o/
[20:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605979 in gtk2-engines-murrine (Ubuntu) "Buttons rendered wrong (with white background) with nvidia-current (affects: 2) (heat: 855)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605979


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[01:44] <slugzzz> Hey all... I've got a bug to report.
[01:46] <slugzzz> It seems that on my alienware m15x, when the drivers are updated to NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Version current) [recommended], after rebooting, the computer undergoes random log-outs.
[01:47] <slugzzz> The way that I've fixed this is "downgrade" to (version 173)
[01:47] <slugzzz> I can varify that these happens in both Ubuntu 11.10 and 10.04 LTS.
[01:48] <slugzzz> It was a really irritating bug... I actually quit using Ubuntu because of it for a while.. but then decided that I missed it too much, and set out to do my best to figure out the cause.
[01:56] <arand> slugzzz: Please report it on launchpad, IRC tends to be transient ;)
[16:51] <bil21al> is here any triager of indicator session menu
[16:51] <bil21al> ?
[16:51] <seb128> bil21al, hi, better to just ask your question
[16:53] <bil21al> hmm ok i have mute the volume and i take the screenshot the sound indicator turn blue isthis by design? why it indicates
[16:53] <bil21al> ?
[16:56] <seb128> bil21al, yes that's by design
[16:56] <seb128> bil21al, it indicates that a sound has been played
[16:56] <seb128> the "take a screenshot" do a photo taking sound
[16:56] <bil21al> yes yes i do ok
[16:56] <bil21al> yes yes it do ok
[17:02] <om26er> if you press ctrl+alt+d in Ubuntu 11.04 and previous releases and then raise a single minimized app, did all the minimized apps unminimize with it?
[17:57] <trinikrono> is there a meeting today now?
[17:59] <micahg> trinikrono: no, it's been moved to 17:00 UTC Wed weekly
[17:59] <micahg> oops
[17:59] <micahg> 18:00 UTC
[18:00] <trinikrono> hey micahg
[18:00] <trinikrono> according to teh calender
[18:00] <trinikrono> lol
[19:52] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinit/+bug/903895 can someone mark this as high? because it will break the system (if break the system == unity is installed)
[19:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 903895 in xinit (Ubuntu) "[12.04] xinit is trying to install unity on lubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]


[00:04] <zyga> ijohnson: I'll update the data tables to be correct and push
[00:06] <ijohnson> zyga great but also feel free to wait until tomorrow :-)
[00:07] <zyga> ijohnson: small review on renameat2 https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8044#pullrequestreview-347688118
[00:08] <mup> PR #8044: grub: support atomically renaming kernel symlinks <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8044>
[00:12] <ijohnson> zyga: thanks for the review, tldr is that it's not a big deal if the random source is poor, as it's just being super extra super safe anyways
[00:14] <zyga> ijohnson: and the renameat part?
[00:15] <ijohnson> zyga: the paths are absolute so the fds are ignored
[00:15] <zyga> hmm
[00:16] <ijohnson> I would have used rename2 but the only way to get atomicity is to use renameat2
[00:16] <ijohnson> (with the RENAME_EXCHANGE flag)
[00:18] <zyga> ijohnson: I think that's okay but I would still use the special value, technically the 0 descriptor is valid and means something but the code that ensures arguments are absolute is not close to the call
[00:18]  * zyga nods
[00:19] <ijohnson> zyga I'll add a comment where it's used
[00:20] <zyga> I think using the special value is preferred
[00:20] <zyga> even with a comment
[00:20] <zyga> it's more like what you wanted
[00:25] <ijohnson> Okay I'll use that then
[00:27] <zyga> ijohnson: double check with jdstrand but I think that's safer
[00:28] <ijohnson> Okay, the man page says the FD is supposed to be ignored when it's an absolute path
[00:30] <zyga> yes, that's true
[00:30] <zyga> my point is not that this is incorrect
[00:30] <zyga> it's just that it can be safer
[00:31] <ijohnson> Sure
[06:44] <mborzecki> morning
[06:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#2889 closed: meta: always generate snapcraft-runner to workaround classic PATH bug <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2889>
[07:03] <mborzecki> zyga: interesting forum topic https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/permission-denied-in-general-ubuntu-19-10-snap-2-42-5/15161
[07:10] <mborzecki> hmm not sure anything happend on the desktop front, snaps still render with boxes instead of actual fonts: https://i.imgur.com/V3mKUt8.png
[07:54] <__chip__> 👋
[08:00] <geodb27> People : hi ! I have 9 machines (ubuntu LTS 18.04 server) that are split into 3 lxd clusters. Yesterday, at 15:13 all nine decided to update the snap lxd package. They are all stuck at task "Copying datas from the snap lxd package".
[08:01] <geodb27> So, since yesterday, the "lxc" commands provided by this snap are not available anymore, and I can't do anything. I don't want (and can't) lose all my lxd containers. What can I do to have snap lxd package up-to-date ?
[08:05] <zyga> Hey
[08:05] <zyga> Outside
[08:05] <zyga> Back soon
[08:05] <mborzecki> zyga: __chip__: hey
[08:05] <mborzecki> geodb27: can you collect the output of `snap change --last=refresh` from one of the machines?
[08:05] <pstolowski> morning
[08:05] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:05] <geodb27> Thanks for your answer mborzecki. I'll check this right now.
[08:07] <geodb27> Well, it remains the same as "snap changes" followed by "snap tasks nn" with nn the id of the change. And this leads to the step that is waiting since yesterday 15:13 as I said before.
[08:11] <geodb27> I've just checked all my 9 machines. 6 are OK. But 3 (the three of one same cluster) are in the same state. Stuck at :
[08:11] <geodb27> Doing  yesterday at 15:13 CET  -                       Copier les données du paquet Snap "lxd"
[08:14] <mborzecki> geodb27: weird, iirc lxd keeps container data under the location shared by all revisions
[08:15] <mborzecki> geodb27: can you check whether there any any files under /var/snap/lxd/current/ ?
[08:16] <geodb27> there is no /var/snap/lxd/current. All I have is /var/snap/lxd/{12317,12631,common}
[08:16] <geodb27> (On the first machine).
[08:16] <mborzecki> geodb27: try /var/snap/lxd/12317/
[08:16] <zyga> re
[08:17] <geodb27> On the two others I have /var/snap/lxd/{12317,12631,13073,common). But the last two are stuck at "Doing  yesterday at 15:12 CET  -                       Démarrer les services du paquet Snap "lxd" (13073)"
[08:17] <zyga> ha
[08:17] <mborzecki> geodb27: anything in there? can you run `du -sch /var/snap/lxd/12317/` ?
[08:17] <zyga> I saw this
[08:17] <zyga> last night
[08:17] <zyga> mborzecki: lxd cannot be stopped
[08:17] <zyga> it sticks around forever
[08:18] <zyga> I noticed this yesterday when rebooting
[08:18] <zyga> systemd eventually kills it after 10 minutes and just reboots
[08:18] <mborzecki> zyga: w8, so it hits all the timeouts, systemd still doesn't stop it?
[08:18] <zyga> but when I noticed the messages it was not able to unmount cleanly
[08:18] <mborzecki> zyga: but sunce we moved to the next task, systemd must have reported it stopped
[08:18] <zyga> mborzecki: it seems there are no timeouts for lxd
[08:18] <zyga> maybe it's something special it does
[08:18] <geodb27> On the first machine, the /var/snap/lxd/12317 folder is empty.
[08:18] <zyga> mborzecki: for me the reproducer case was ubuntu 19.10 (now 20.04) with lxd and a container
[08:19] <zyga> stopping lxd doesn't work
[08:19] <mborzecki> geodb27: right, as zyga mentioend, maybe it's related to lxd not stopping
[08:19] <mborzecki> geodb27: can you ps -ef|grep lxd ?
[08:19] <geodb27> Indeed, it could be. Let me check.
[08:19] <geodb27> root        1518       1  1 janv.10 ?      05:36:05 [lxd] <defunct>
[08:20] <mborzecki> zyga: ^^
[08:20] <zyga> ha
[08:21] <geodb27> What now ? If I reboot, will lxd complete it's upgrade and will I get all my containers back up and running ?
[08:22] <zyga> geodb27: I'd not test in production, cannot say for sure
[08:22] <zyga> geodb27: I suspect that snapd will recover
[08:22] <zyga> geodb27: and carry on with the update
[08:22] <zyga> geodb27: but depending on how your time works I'd evaluate this separately
[08:23] <geodb27> Thanks for your help zyga. Anyhow, I have backups of my machines (fortunately, the containers are hosted on a ceph cluster)... I'll give it a try and give a feedback here as the reboot completes.
[08:24] <zyga> geodb27: thank you
[08:24] <zyga> mborzecki: we should check this out
[08:24] <mborzecki> zyga: any clue whether stgraber and his team noticed this too?
[08:24] <zyga> no idea
[08:27] <mborzecki> hmm `Instance name is: on-jackass`
[08:28] <zyga> is there a way to wait for a change?
[08:28] <zyga> from command line
[08:28] <zyga> snap watch --last
[08:28] <zyga> ah
[08:29] <mborzecki> zyga: if you're addressing the commnents in your PR then retry-tool probably makes more sense in case the change does not complete
[08:29] <zyga> ish
[08:29] <zyga> I must be doing it wrong
[08:29] <zyga> while snap changes | grep Doing; do sleep 1; done
[08:29] <zyga> this failed just now
[08:29] <zyga> with snap changes showing a change that is Doing
[08:29] <zyga> wtf?
[08:30] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pc7zuZZX/
[08:30] <zyga> but I'm very suspect of the test itself
[08:30] <zyga> it happily REBOOTS
[08:30] <zyga> without any synchronization on async snapd activity
[08:30] <zyga> I suspect it need to have snap watch --last=... in each stage
[08:30] <zyga> as otherwise nothing is certain
[08:33] <geodb27> Well... Fyi : I rebooted only one machine of the lxd cluster... It took some time (the reboot process had to kill a process related to filesystem mounted)... And... Tada : all three machines are up-to-date and running fine. Thanks for your kind help !
[08:34] <geodb27> I do not have time (and it is anyhow too late) to investigate further to find out what was hanging the system. One could suspect some lock (maybe on the cephfs side or on the lxd database at some point) that was holding things stalled.
[08:43] <mborzecki> we should write down the reasons for avoiding golang.org/x/sys/unix
[09:04] <zyga> mborzecki: I'll grab some food and make tea
[09:04] <zyga> mborzecki: I'm iterating on the wait/reboot problem
[09:15] <mborzecki> zyga: heh any ideas why /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.snap might exist?
[09:21] <mborzecki> zyga: meh, reading renameat2 implementation, not sure whether we need to sync the directory too
[09:22] <zyga> mborzecki: yes
[09:22] <zyga> mborzecki: I read about a case where someone had it
[09:23] <zyga> mborzecki: _something_ definitely creates it
[09:23] <zyga> mborzecki: not snapd
[09:23] <zyga> mborzecki: I cannot recall the details of the case I remember but it was probably on the forum too, let me check
[09:23] <zyga> hmm, not on the forum
[09:24] <mborzecki> zyga: so this guy got both snap and usr.bin.snap in apparmor profiles in case you missed it https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/permission-denied-in-general-ubuntu-19-10-snap-2-42-5/15161
[09:24] <zyga> yeah
[09:24] <zyga> I read
[09:43] <zyga> + snap watch --last=revert
[09:43] <zyga> error: no changes of type "revert" found
[09:43] <zyga> + snap changes
[09:43] <zyga> 9    Done    today at 09:39 UTC  today at 09:41 UTC  Revert "core" snap
[09:43] <zyga> sigh
[09:43] <zyga> that's such a crappy behavior
[09:44] <zyga> ah, it's called revert-snap
[09:44] <zyga> oh well
[09:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#2891 opened: meta: always generate snapcraft-runner to workaround classic (#2889) <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2891>
[09:52] <zyga> and I found a small bug
[09:52] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JBOzGPsz/
[09:53] <zyga> ok, one more run
[09:53] <zyga> brrr
[09:53] <zyga> cooold
[10:05] <zyga> iteration on this is painful
[10:09] <zyga> mborzecki: I wonder if that denial was from snap-store
[10:09] <zyga> maybe it does something weird
[10:10] <mborzecki> zyga: that diff loos like we could use a helper of sorts
[10:15] <zyga> mborzecki: I changed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8039
[10:15] <mup> PR #8039: tests: remove revision leaking from ubuntu-core-refresh <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8039>
[10:15] <zyga> pstolowski: ^ can you look again
[10:15] <pstolowski> k
[10:15] <zyga> I mainly added the snap watch --last=...
[10:16] <zyga> as otherwise we just race
[10:18] <zyga> I'm running a small loop of this to see if it is stable
[10:45] <zyga> back with coffee
[10:45] <zyga> tests going
[10:45] <zyga> still good
[10:50] <zyga> passed
[10:50] <zyga> ok onto more branches
[11:03] <zyga> guys, please don't merge any of the test fixes yet
[11:03] <zyga> I'm iterating on comments and even though some are green and +2 I'll adjust them
[11:27] <zyga> heh
[11:27] <zyga> weird failure
[11:27] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/SIB7x6zG/
[11:27] <zyga> snapd is not installable
[11:33] <mup> PR snapd#8045 opened: osutil: add helpers for creating symlinks and renaming in an atomic manner <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8045>
[11:36] <zyga> mborzecki: ^ I  think AtomicRename without replace/not-replace is unsafe
[11:36] <zyga> as it's easy to use it to nuke stuff
[11:36] <mborzecki> zyga: isn't rename the same?
[11:36] <zyga> yes, but that's my point
[11:37] <mup> PR snapd#8046 opened: many, tests: integrate all preseed bits and add spread tests <Complex> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8046>
[11:37] <zyga> it depends on how it is used obviously
[11:48] <zyga> hmm
[11:49] <zyga> why is kernel remodeling so slooooow
[11:49] <zyga> it's 10 per test
[11:49] <zyga> 10 minutes
[11:49] <mborzecki> unexpected failure https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D6n2g4MfwD/
[11:50] <zyga> hmmm
[11:50] <zyga> no idea,
[11:50] <zyga> I am really wondering if we do things right
[11:50] <zyga> we pull the rug from under snapd in teardown
[11:50] <zyga> not wait for things
[11:53] <__chip__> zyga: the kernel is very prima donna about its hair, so remodeling takes ages
[11:53]  * __chip__ in Friday mode
[11:53] <zyga> __chip__: we should ... shave a few minutes
[11:54] <__chip__> zyga: rimshot
[11:54] <__chip__> zyga: google 'rimshot pirates gif' for the right thing
[11:54] <__chip__> mah interwebs are slow so i can only do meta-gifs
[11:55] <zyga> __chip__: how's Friday?
[11:55] <zyga> __chip__: I was super happy yesterday
[11:55] <__chip__> zyga: what happened yesterday? (let's do it more!)
[11:55] <zyga> __chip__: I fixed the three tests leaking stuff on core167
[11:55] <zyga> some lessons learned as well
[11:56] <zyga> __chip__: now mount-ns can run on core
[11:56] <zyga> _ages_
[11:56] <__chip__> is that core based on ubuntu 2167.04?
[11:56] <zyga> it took years to do this
[11:56] <zyga> hahaha
[11:56] <zyga> star trek
[11:56] <zyga> the next remodel
[11:56] <zyga> these are the changes of the packaging systems
[11:56] <zyga> to explore ... channels
[11:56] <zyga> yada yada
[11:59] <__chip__> zyga: sudo apt install xscreensaver-gl-extra, and then /usr/lib/xscreensaver/starwars -program 'cat stufftxt'
[12:08]  * zyga iterates on another PR
[12:22] <cmatsuoka> mborzecki: #8045 failed on a travis test with a random store error so I restarted it
[12:22] <mup> PR #8045: osutil: add helpers for creating symlinks and renaming in an atomic manner <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8045>
[12:22] <mborzecki> cmatsuoka: thanks!
[12:51] <zyga> hmm
[12:51] <zyga> is the store all right
[12:51] <zyga> my tests are timing out on super slow traffice
[12:52] <zyga> downloading core takes close to an hour
[12:53] <zyga> 10KB/s
[12:53] <zyga> 20-60
[12:57] <zyga> brb
[12:59] <zyga> re
[13:41] <zyga> degville: did you find anything interesting in the content interface?
[13:43] <degville> zyga: I'm still working on it - but I did get my own slot/plug snaps working with it, and I've mostly added the details you suggested/linked to.
[13:43] <zyga> cool! :)
[13:44] <zyga> I think the thing I've learned is that simple stuff tends to work
[13:44] <zyga> but is surprising when you start being very creative
[13:45] <degville> ok, sounds sensible. I'll make a note of it. Certainly, my own snaps are simple, but they were just for my own understanding.
[13:45] <ijohnson> morning folks
[13:45] <zyga> - Download snap "ubuntu-image" (161) from channel "edge" (received an unexpected http response code (504) when trying to download https://canonical-lcy01.cdn.snapcraft.io/download-origin/canonical-lgw01/4RW78vIax8JW5S8HkYsa8lNbv68uPaYX_161.snap?token=1579885200_4dbf2a807d9b9a8d56cb263d6e7dcc6e61a45952)
[13:45] <zyga> ijohnson: hey
[13:45] <ijohnson> hey
[13:45] <zyga> ijohnson: store is wonky
[13:45] <ijohnson> does that mean I can just go back to bed
[13:45] <ijohnson> :-)
[13:45] <mborzecki> it is :/
[13:46] <mborzecki> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[13:46] <mborzecki> - Download snap "core" (8268) from channel "stable" (Get https://canonical-bos01.cdn.snapcraft.io/download-origin/canonical-lgw01/99T7MUlRhtI3U0QFgl5mXXESAiSwt776_8268.snap?token=1579881600_d8a5fae185f0cf6884a96c15c566fc6876922512: EOF)
[13:46] <zyga> ijohnson: or play in the snow
[13:46] <zyga> yeah
[13:46] <ijohnson> mborzecki: so what's the story behind this AtomicRename ?
[13:46] <ijohnson> mborzecki: is my implementation flawed? I see your comment about the dir syncing
[13:46] <mborzecki> ijohnson: want to talk before the standup?
[13:47] <ijohnson> sure, like now?
[13:47] <mborzecki> or after/or during :P doesn't matter, it's only 5 of us today
[13:47] <zyga> btw, I'm next to lucy
[13:47] <zyga> she's sleeping
[13:47] <zyga> I may join standup and listen on very quiet level
[13:47] <zyga> either I swap with my wife or it's silent standup for me :)
[13:47] <mborzecki> ijohnson: zyga: let's do it
[13:47] <zyga> no no
[13:47] <zyga> I mean leater
[13:47] <zyga> I'm working on stuff now
[13:48] <zyga> go chat!
[13:48] <ijohnson> mborzecki: I'll join in just a minute
[14:35] <ijohnson> zyga: why use `snap watch` instead of `retry-tool` ?
[14:36] <zyga> ijohnson: because snap watch does exactly what I need
[14:36] <zyga> and retry tool would have to do snap changes and grep
[14:36] <ijohnson> I'm still just a little worried that it will block forever
[14:36] <zyga> exactly what snap watch does inside
[14:36] <zyga> I wish we had a way to make retry-tool ask snapd something directly
[14:37] <zyga> retry-tool snap debug settled
[14:37] <zyga> or something
[14:37] <zyga> I see your point, it's just lesser evil right now (out of two choices this one is more robust in being precise)
[14:37] <zyga> not that the other would just grep Doing
[14:37] <zyga> which doesn't catch Undoing
[14:38] <zyga> and is fooled by "Done Doing stuff"
[14:45] <ijohnson> zyga: ok, it's fine for now then I guess
[14:45] <ijohnson> I'll approve in a little bit
[14:45] <zyga> I think "snap debug settle" would be good
[14:45] <zyga> I'll ask about it next week
[14:45] <zyga> also the shell code after reboot-causing activity
[14:45] <zyga> that scans logs
[14:45] <zyga> to know when it can REBOOT
[14:45] <zyga> yuck
[14:45] <zyga> we should have a better way
[14:46] <zyga> not calling REBOOT is not good because then spread was not anticipating it
[14:46] <zyga> it would be good to have ANTICIPATE_REBOOT
[14:46] <zyga> and then just do what normally happens
[14:46] <zyga> but there is no channel to send that information today
[14:46] <zyga> (sadly)
[14:47] <ijohnson> Afk for little bit
[14:47] <zyga> - Download snap "core20" (331) from channel "edge" (Get https://canonical-bos01.cdn.snapcraft.io/download-origin/canonical-lgw01/DLqre5XGLbDqg9jPtiAhRRjDuPVa5X1q_331.snap?token=1579888800_379b23e2fe4d0bd8d7152c92943200e95a92deb0: EOF)
[14:47] <zyga> I think today is early EOD land
[14:48] <zyga> I will do reviews
[14:59] <zyga> mborzecki, ijohnson: -1 on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8045#pullrequestreview-348005564
[14:59] <mup> PR #8045: osutil: add helpers for creating symlinks and renaming in an atomic manner <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8045>
[15:02] <pstolowski> ijohnson: i joined tgif the second you left
[15:03] <ijohnson> pstolowski: sorry be there in a minute
[15:03] <ijohnson> irl thing
[15:03] <pstolowski> no worries
[15:05] <zyga> ijohnson: what does zsys stand for?
[15:07] <zyga> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8043#pullrequestreview-348015574 + but please check my comment
[15:07] <mup> PR #8043: osutil: add Renameat2() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8043>
[15:32] <ijohnson> zyga: zsys is just what the go sources use for those definitions
[15:32] <ijohnson> i.e. https://github.com/golang/sys/blob/1a3b71a79e4aff00d87e69e0744746d7d67a3f8f/unix/zsysnum_linux_arm.go
[15:33] <ijohnson> zyga: what do you think about my implementation vs mborzecki ?
[15:37] <ijohnson> zyga: mborzecki: I think I will push to 8045 a change to do try creating the symlink in a loop and then refactor my grub PR to use mborzecki's implementation and drop the osutil.Renameat2. we can always refactor to use that later if we find os.Rename it's not safe enough
[15:40] <zyga> ijohnson: I think the looping should be in maciek's pr but otherwise I agree
[15:40] <zyga> ijohnson: ah
[15:40] <zyga> ok
[15:40] <zyga> (about zsys)
[15:40] <zyga> - Download snap "core18" (1668) from channel "edge" (received an unexpected http response code (404) when trying to download https://canonical-lcy01.cdn.snapcraft.io/download-origin/canonical-lgw01/CSO04Jhav2yK0uz97cr0ipQRyqg0qQL6_1668.snap?token=1579892400_a96a7203408107730307613e718e90209628f548)
[15:40] <zyga> store is so down
[16:02] <ijohnson> zyga: okay sounds good
[16:03] <roadmr> zyga: wait 404?
[16:03] <roadmr> zyga: is that reproducible?
[16:03] <mborzecki> ijohnson: pushing in a bit
[16:03] <roadmr> it should NOT 404 (no found) on you - I might expect a 50x but not a 404
[16:03] <ijohnson> mborzecki: ah okay if you're already doing that I'll wait for you
[16:04] <roadmr> zyga: wfm fwiw
[16:11] <mborzecki> ijohnson: zyga: pushed
[16:12] <mborzecki> time to wrap it up
[16:17] <mup> PR snapd#8043 closed: osutil: add Renameat2() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8043>
[16:24] <zyga> re
[16:42] <ijohnson> zyga: are your leaky mount ns PR fixes all ready? if so I can merge them this PM after I review them
[16:42] <ijohnson> trying to finish UC20 things this morning
[16:47] <sdhd-sascha> hi, sorry to mention you. I already ask at #openstack and #ubuntu-kernel.
[16:47] <sdhd-sascha> Should a bond which is member of a bridge has a mac-address ? And if so, should it be the same mac ? (netplan use automatically the same mac)
[17:08] <ijohnson> sdhd-sascha: I don't know the answer myself, but there's also the #netplan channel
[17:14] <sdhd-sascha> ijohnson: thank you :-) meanwhile i found #lxc-dev, too.
[17:14] <ijohnson> sdhd-sascha: glad to help
[17:42] <zyga> ijohnson: no, not ready
[17:42] <zyga> ijohnson: close but not yet, I'm wrapping up another branch and will return to get through feedback and do tests
[17:42] <ijohnson> zyga: ack, np
[17:42] <zyga> ijohnson: but I'm still up here
[17:43] <zyga> so I'll try to merge them if possible by EOD
[17:43] <ijohnson> zyga: sure np
[18:05] <sdhd-sascha> Is it possible to approve this classic-snap : https://build.snapcraft.io/user/sd-hd/termite-snap . (I already asked in the forum for a `classicmode` track )
[18:05] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: does it have required votes?
[18:06] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: just talk today, per email, with someone who has requested support from me.
[18:06] <sdhd-sascha> What are required votes ?
[18:07] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: it must go through the review process
[18:07] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: and get enough votes
[18:07] <sdhd-sascha> I published it as strict before, with ssh and byobu. But didn't had the time to test and use it in production.
[18:08] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: Ok, understood. No problem. I told the reviewer, that he could build the snap himself. (He knows how to strace it ;-) )
[18:10] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: is this enough: ? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/termite-classicmode-track/15169
[18:11] <zyga> no
[18:11] <zyga> please look at the process requirements
[18:11] <zyga> it's documented on the forum
[18:11] <zyga> you must justify it
[18:11] <zyga> there are requirements and it's not always granted
[18:11] <zyga> it also takes some time so don't expect instant replies
[18:16] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: hmm
[18:31] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/termite-classicmode-track/15169/2
[18:37] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: I'm sorry it's too late for me to focus on that
[18:37] <zyga> I'm trying to wrap up some fixes and spend some time away from work
[18:38] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: no problem - i just try to look at github actions... maybe i can create it there, for now
[18:38] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: someone recently tweeted about using github actions for snaps
[18:39] <zyga> but I'm off now, need to take the dog out
[18:39] <sdhd-sascha> i know... christmas presend ;-) i remember ;-)
[18:39] <sdhd-sascha> no problem ;-)
[18:55] <sdhd-sascha> Hey folks - did you ever had a remote tree-tag on github. But no branch. How can i fetch this ?
[18:55] <sdhd-sascha> /me i know, i wish too, i had had people in the past to ask ;-)
[19:22] <zyga> ijohnson: updated differential PR
[19:23] <zyga> switching to the fixes
[19:23] <ijohnson> zyga: ack thanks
[20:03]  * zyga checks on tests
[20:22] <sdhd-sascha> markstos: welcome :-)
[20:26] <sdhd-sascha> markstos: well, termite on sway launched on my system
[20:27] <sdhd-sascha> Yes, it runs on strict ... But you didn't have access on outher applications. Except you use some remote login, to another system
[20:28] <sdhd-sascha> markstos: the most folks, here are gone, and be on gmt+3 back ;-)
[20:28] <sdhd-sascha> or, so
[20:28] <sdhd-sascha> But, if i say something wrong, than they can criticism me
[20:29] <sdhd-sascha> If i understand you, then, you would like to have some terminal which is strict protected with apparmor and seccomp. But its usable ?
[20:30] <markstos> Ah, so it's good for SSH, but not for accessing the filesystem. That's a lot less useful.
[20:30] <markstos>  I'm not surprised Sway works, since Sway uses Wayland and Wayland seems to work as the default for Termite.
[20:32] <sdhd-sascha> :-)
[20:32] <sdhd-sascha> No, no -- the most guys said to me, that `classic mode` with full filesystem (not only home) makes more sense
[20:32] <markstos> My primary interest was simply to have a package that I could install on Ubuntu.
[20:32] <sdhd-sascha> I read, in your mail signature, that you have a security company - or you are freelance ?
[20:33] <sdhd-sascha> hmm - ... maybe it was the easiest, if i create a `ppa` for you ? and termite plus libvte-ng
[20:33] <sdhd-sascha> then there is no snap needed ?
[20:34] <sdhd-sascha> Firstly, i thought you would like to have a snap.
[20:35] <sdhd-sascha> markstos: What OS are you use ?
[20:36] <markstos> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04, but plan to soon convert a new persona laptop laptop to Ubuntu 20.04 alpha. I'll run containers to support 18.04 apps until  20.04 is released.
[20:36] <sdhd-sascha> Oh, you just said them. I'm sorry
[20:36]  * sdhd-sascha just remember
[20:37]  * sdhd-sascha also have to try to use slack.... (thanks for the tip)
[20:38] <markstos> Yes, a PPA would also be welcome. As much as possible I'm trying to automate my environment with Ansible, so whichever format it is, I'll automate installing and next time upgrades will just about as easy either way.
[20:42] <sdhd-sascha> hey, markstos - my wife is come back. And yes, i can create a ppa the next days ;-)
[20:42] <sdhd-sascha> But mention, that libvte-ng and libvte can be different version. (i try to do my best to resolve this ;-) )
[20:43] <sdhd-sascha> see us - tomorrow ;-)
[20:43] <markstos> Thanks!
[20:44] <sdhd-sascha> markstos: of course, i'm glad to help (sometimes, i didn't have the time, for an one-person ... ;-) )
[22:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#2892 opened: Add snapcraft plugin for Qt Build Suite (qbs) <Created by bjorn> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2892>
[22:24]  * zyga alters a test and spawns another run
[22:42] <zyga> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8038 updated
[22:42] <mup> PR #8038: tests: fix gadget-update-pc test leaking snaps <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8038>
[22:42] <zyga> 4 is enough
[22:44]  * zyga notices LXD test is broken
[22:44] <zyga> eh
[22:44] <zyga> I guess that's not a good way to end the week
[22:44] <zyga> something to fight on Monday
[22:44] <zyga> ttyl
[22:44]  * zyga eods
[22:45] <ijohnson> Have a good weekend zyga!
[22:45] <zyga> thank you, you too
[22:46] <zyga> (lxd is not broken, installing snapd in lxd doesn't pass through dpkg, some deps are wrong, perhaps the test starts to suffer from the build-on-A-and-install-on-B problem)
[22:46]  * zyga goes to watch Picard pilot


[07:15] <didrocks> good morning
[07:16] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:17] <jibel> Good morning
[07:19] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut jibel
[07:20] <jibel> Hi didrocks
[07:22] <jibel> I've this issue again where all the extensions are disabled and need to unlock twice :/
[07:23] <duflu> jibel, hmm someone else reported that too. Let me see
[07:23] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:24] <duflu> jibel, bug 1801470
[07:25] <jibel> duflu, it's slightly different
[07:25] <duflu> jibel, that's what everybody says. Can we make them the same? :)
[07:25] <jibel> duflu, in my case, on first attempt there is no password field
[07:26] <duflu> jibel, that bug is not well written. He might be seeing the same as you. I'll ask for better info
[07:26] <jibel> duflu, ok, thanks
[07:27] <duflu> jibel, hmm radeon?
[07:28] <jibel> duflu, yes
[07:28] <duflu> That's almost too uncommon to be a coincidence
[07:28] <jibel> oh, and I've this bug where I nned to lock the screen twice to lock
[07:28] <jibel> these 3 issues might be related
[07:42] <jibel> first build of disco is broken it seems
[07:45] <tjaalton> duflu: egl-wayland is in ppa:canonical-x/x-staging now
[07:46] <duflu> tjaalton, thanks. You're too quick. Next time I switch to Nvidia I'll see if it helps mutter things
[07:47] <tjaalton> you need to build mutter against it first?
[07:47] <tjaalton> and it's for disco btw
[07:47] <tjaalton> but should work just the same on cosmic
[07:49] <duflu> tjaalton, I'm working on the theory that the missing .pc file is what's breaking mutter's configure (omitting EGLStreams support)
[07:49] <duflu> -breaking +affecting
[07:49] <tjaalton> right
[07:51] <duflu> I guess RAOF was always just getting that stuff from github when he was using it in Mir
[07:51] <duflu> ?...
[07:53] <RAOF> What? No. I just link against `libnvidia-egl-wayland`. The Weston patches don't even do that; they `dlopen`
[07:53] <RAOF> Which is what mutter is going to need to do anyway, unless you want a hard-depends on the NVIDIA driver.
[07:57] <duflu> RAOF: Ah right. So you don't use/need a .pc file?
[07:59] <duflu> RAOF: Mutter already works apparently. Only it uses a .pc file we don't have in archive
[07:59] <duflu> I think
[07:59] <duflu> So our Ubuntu builds seem to be missing EGLStreams support. It exists in the source though
[08:00] <tjaalton> yep
[08:01] <RAOF> To be fair, I use a symlink we don't have in the archive 😀
[08:02] <duflu> Tis fair
[08:02] <duflu> Hmm, did I log a bug about this? I really should have
[08:40] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:51] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:51] <oSoMoN> hi duflu
[09:01] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <duflu> 'lo Laney
[09:08] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:28] <seb128> did everyone had a good w.e?
[09:28] <didrocks> hey, was good, yes, and already deep in iso building :p
[09:30] <Laney> hey duflu oSoMoN seb128 didrocks
[09:31] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, I had a really good long week-end, what about you?
[09:32] <seb128> it was ok. The baby is getting a new tooth out and it took 1.5 hours every evening to get him to sleep, and he got a cold over he managed to share with me
[09:33] <seb128> so happy monday, feel like I've a throat infection and I'm lacking sleep :/
[09:33] <duflu> Morning seb128 :/
[09:34] <didrocks> take it easy :/
[10:16] <duflu> Night
[10:33] <andyrock> good morning!
[10:33] <andyrock> seb128: do you mind taking a look https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/update-notifier/fix-lp-1800862/+merge/358309 ?
[10:33] <seb128> hey andyrock! how are you?
[10:34] <seb128> andyrock, are you at the office already? ;)
[10:34] <andyrock> seb128: fine thx! in the office. You?
[10:34] <seb128> andyrock, sure, adding to my todo for today
[10:34] <seb128> andyrock, I'm ok, a bit of lack of sleep and a bit sick, thx to the kid
[10:35] <willcooke> morning all
[10:36] <seb128> hey willcooke! how is London? ;)
[10:38] <willcooke> seb128, grey \o/
[10:38] <seb128> what a surprise :)
[11:42] <k_alam> Trevinho: Hi, since disco is out now this can land on it without ffe ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1741027
[17:36] <Laney> Free firework display outside of my window
[17:36] <Laney> :3
[17:55] <Trevinho> Morning
[17:57] <Trevinho> k_alam: yes... But I've not the right to top approve the Mp... Laney can you please do it with the silo? ^ (abandon /rebuild is needed too)
[20:09] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/means-of-browsing-all-snaps-in-a-section/8325
[20:09] <kenvandine> Thx
[23:38] <Trevinho> Laney: have you pushed https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/mutter/commit/?id=4792b6900479b65fe033947b885e04b1a2c72a09 to bionic queue or I don't see it? :o