[00:54] <basenji> @Bashing-om / basenji
[00:55] <Bashing-om> basenji: Present and accounted for :P
[01:13] <basenji> Ubuntu 20.04 / How do you configure AppArmor to Enforce Mode ?
[01:17] <Bashing-om> basenji: No idea - never considered such to this time. https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-apparmor help ?
[01:28] <basenji> Thanks for the web address !
[01:28] <Bashing-om> basenji: Does the link help ?
[01:29] <basenji> Yes
[01:29] <Bashing-om> \o/
[01:35] <basenji> At the bottom of the page was reference links and IRC channel
[01:37] <raub> What would cause the output of 'auth list' to be 9 entires, including 2 localhos
[01:37] <raub> ts (:1 and :2), 2 FQDN entries (once again :1 and :2) and so on?
[01:40] <TJ-> raub: what is this "auth list" command  ? apt-file search finds nothing for that command name
[01:40] <Bashing-om> raub: What app uses the tool "auth list" ?
[01:40] <raub> Sorry. I meant xauth
[01:41] <TJ-> oh!!
[01:47] <Bashing-om> raub: the 'magic cookie' is used to authorize a user to the server. >> depends on what you have configured.
[01:48] <raub> Bashing-om: there is only one user logged into the host right now, me. And I ssh'd into it an do not even have a current Xauthority file
[01:49] <raub> So, to answer the 'it depends' part I wanted to know how to find out who or what created them
[01:50] <raub> Doing a Windows (rebooting) does not decrease their number, so I need to find out what caused than
[01:50] <raub> s/than/then/
[01:50] <Bashing-om> raub: I bow to TJ- on that, as our resident expert :D
[01:52] <raub> This is a host I upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 and I am finding a few "particularities" that make me wonder if i should just pretend it was centos and do a wipe and start from scratch
[01:53] <raub> s/upgrade/upgraded
[01:57] <basenji> Thanks again Bashing-om / Completed and in full enforce mode.
[01:58] <Bashing-om> basenji: You did all the work - I was just here to hold your hand :D
[01:59] <basenji> Some times after a upgrade to a different version of Ubuntu you have to re-configure certain programs. The setting change to default.
[01:59] <TJ-> raub: does "xauth info" help see where that info is coming from?
[03:24] <Gallomimia> anyone know of a way i can impose a limit on my cpu speed briefly while i perform some audio recordings?
[03:24] <Gallomimia> damn fan is like a jet engine
[03:33] <xet7> Gallomimia: Maybe command: nice ? look at docs with "man nice"
[03:34] <Gallomimia> contrary to popular believe, the nice command does not affect the speed with which any process gets from the CPU
[03:34] <xet7> Oh OK
[03:34] <Gallomimia> and, english version of that comment too.
[03:35] <Gallomimia> no, it merely affects the priority it receives when asking the scheduler for time on the CPU
[03:35] <Gallomimia> and since the cpu will be mostly idle save for the recording software, it will basically do nothing
[03:38] <mwhudson> Gallomimia: cpufreq-set ? never used it myself
[03:38] <Gallomimia> can try
[03:38] <Gallomimia> i know there's things that can do it
[03:38] <Gallomimia> what... is this? where will i find it?
[03:39] <mwhudson> it's in the cpufrequtils package
[03:39] <xet7> Well, many PCs sould like jet engine when CPU has a lot of use. Only some computers are silent, like Mac M1, Raspberry Pi that does not have fan, mobile smartphones, voice recorders that save to SD card, etc.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: Like: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/power_management_guide/tuning_cpufreq_policy_and_speed .
[03:41] <Gallomimia> set clock speed to 360khz??
[03:41] <Gallomimia> that sounds.. .unwise
[03:43] <Gallomimia> gah. the info tool isn't much fun on an 8 core system. imagine larger numbers of CPUs. repeat all info 16 times. yay
[03:51] <Gallomimia> doesn't want to affect anything. maybe i need a reboot?
[03:51] <Gallomimia> i need one anyway...
[04:00] <Gallomimia> well that's a real pain in the arse but i set all 8 to the lowest setting. should result in some quiet
[04:00] <Gallomimia> here's hoping i can revert the functionality later!
[04:30] <Gallomimia> uh. yeah. trying to revert my changes after recording... doesn't seem to work!
[04:30] <Gallomimia> halp
[04:41] <Gallomimia> if i reboot, do you suppose it will revert my settings?
[04:43] <Gallomimia> ah, the answer is yes. that's a relief
[04:53] <Gallomimia> convenient time to learn how to for loop and do something 8 times with ease
[05:28] <fengshaun> I used `adduser username groupname` to add myself to group dialout and it says I'm already part of group dialout. I have logged out and back in, and dialout still doesn't show up in `groups`.
[05:28] <fengshaun> what else should I do to add myself to the group dialout?
[05:29] <fengshaun> trying to flash a chip on /tty/USB0 where dialout group is writable, but I get permission denied
[05:29] <fengshaun> and dialout is missing from `groups`
[05:31] <Gallomimia> i belive adduser is the method of *Creating* users or groups
[05:31] <fengshaun> tried gpasswd -a username dialout and still same
[05:31] <Gallomimia> groupmod or something... hold on
[05:31] <fengshaun> tried usermod and still same
[05:32] <Gallomimia> usermod -G
[05:32] <Gallomimia> usermod -G -a
[05:32] <fengshaun> that's the first thing I tried
[05:32] <Gallomimia> dialout
[05:33] <fengshaun> still doesn't add
[05:33] <Gallomimia> i'm sure you used sudo to do that?
[05:33] <fengshaun> yup
[05:34] <fengshaun> there are no errors either
[05:34] <fengshaun> it just silently doesn't do anything
[05:36] <fengshaun> is ubuntu silently overriding the cli tools somehow?
[05:37] <Gallomimia> i can only assume sarcastically. i just don't know, and haven't had much experience modding user groups
[05:38] <fengshaun> there is a "lock" thing in settings, "unlocking" users doesn't seem to help
[05:38] <fengshaun> I suspect something somewhere is silently preventing me from doing this
[05:38] <fengshaun> I can rerun gpasswd and keep adding my user to dialout and it happily does it everytime and fails silently
[05:44] <fengshaun> so looks like a full reboot is necessary to have that work
[05:44] <fengshaun> takes me back a few decades!
[06:00] <TaiwanChaz> !ping
[06:00] <Guest7528> check
[06:00] <Guest7528> what is this?
[06:02] <orange1> !ping
[06:06] <Gallomimia> just like old times. i was beginning to miss freenode
[06:42] <laisa> Laisa
[07:59] <c_89> Good morning, I have formatted a USB flash drive with ext4 file system and I set permissions of mount point: drwxrwxrwx 777 (root:root) . But when I run a software to read data (on Xubuntu or on Android 11 device via OTG) I have only read permission. What solution do you suggest me?
[08:02] <alkisg> c_89: don't set permissions on the mount point. First mount, THEN chmod, so that the permissions are set in the flash drive, not in the mountpoint
[08:03] <c_89> alkisg can you give me an example of command?
[08:03] <alkisg> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt; chmod 777 /mnt
[08:04] <alkisg> (or wherever else you're mounting it)
[08:05] <c_89> alkisg sda1 is the partition? (not the device sda)
[08:05] <alkisg> Yes, the partition
[08:07] <c_89> alkisg with this command is `/mnt`, `mnt` seen by the system as a directory or as a device?
[08:08] <alkisg> As the root directory of the sda1 partition
[08:08] <alkisg> No, not as a device
[08:08] <c_89> alkisg ok, I'll try now and I'll let you know ...
[08:09] <c_89> alkisg the final command is: `sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt; chmod 777 /mnt` ?
[08:11] <alkisg> c_89: is your usb stick actually /dev/sda1?
[08:12] <alkisg> This was an example
[08:12] <alkisg> Also, is it already mounted elsewhere?
[08:12] <c_89> alkisg sdc1
[08:13] <c_89> alkisg the question is whether I have to prepend sudo to be able to run chmod 777
[08:13] <alkisg> Yes, you need sudo
[08:13] <alkisg> You might also want to create a user directory to make things easier to understand
[08:14] <alkisg> E.g. sudo mkdir /mnt/user; sudo chown user:user /mnt/user
[08:14] <alkisg> That way you don't need chmod, as that directory will be owned by that user
[08:15] <alkisg> And the user will be allowed to write anything underneath it
[08:23] <c_89> alkisg I ran the command with sudo prepended, but when I go to remount the device as a not-root user `mount / dev / sdc1 / mnt;` it returns the following error: "mount: / mnt: must be superuser to use mount."
[08:25] <c_89> alkisg that is what interests me is to be able to use a user who has write permissions on the device both when I connect the device on the desktop and when I use it on Android 11 through OTG
[08:26] <alkisg> c_89: users mount things using the GUI or `udisksctl`, not with `mount`
[08:26] <alkisg> Try `udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdc1`
[08:30] <c_89> alkisg `mount -b` or `mount -B` to bind?
[08:32] <c_89> alkisg I use UDisks 2.9.2 to mount the device
[08:36] <alkisg> c_89: aren't you able to just mount it via the GUI? Why do you want to use the console at this point?
[08:36] <alkisg> mount -b, not -B
[08:59] <Slartibart> Anyone who feels like checking my Xorg.0.log for weirdness? I don't get any graphics when booting anymore(live discs work though, 21.10 better than 20.04) https://pastebin.com/mMFrPTms
[09:04] <th34lch3m1st> hi
[09:05] <th34lch3m1st> If I mess up something and I want to reset the kernel do I need to reinstall even hwe related files? My 2 reset versions here:  https://pastebin.com/vuyWAgj0
[09:13] <alkisg> th34lch3m1st: how did you mess up things? Did you manually modify the contents of the kernel files? There's a package that can check for modified files in all packages: sudo apt install debsums; sudo debsums -s
[09:19] <th34lch3m1st> alkisig I want to install a patched modules from mainline kernel. I already mess up once (gpu driver broken) and reset kernel with Version 1 instructions in the pastebin above
[09:22] <th34lch3m1st> alkisig it was just to figure out if the correct way was to reinstall even hwe files.
[09:22] <alkisg> debsums -s will tell you which files were modified and which packages need to be reinstalled
[09:22] <th34lch3m1st> or not
[09:24] <th34lch3m1st> alkisig hwe related files are all headers/meta-package/ and/or scripts right?
[09:27] <alkisg> th34lch3m1st: you can use `tab` to highlight the user names properly
[09:27] <alkisg> These packages there are kernels, not headers/meta: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[09:27] <alkisg> So the answer to your question is "no"
[09:27] <th34lch3m1st> alkisg I'm on androirc
[09:29] <th34lch3m1st> alkisg so they need to be reinstalled along with the regular kernel files...?
[09:30] <th34lch3m1st> alkisg so version 2 in the pastebin is ok
[09:30] <alkisg> th34lch3m1st: normally, people that compile their own kernels do so in a different version number, so the stock packages do not get touched at all
[09:31] <alkisg> I've no idea what you did; debsums will tell you which files you did modify. I can't tell you without taking a LONG time to understand what you did; so just run that debsums -s command
[09:33] <th34lch3m1st> alkisg you're right, if you have a minute take a look at Version 2 instructions here https://pastebin.com/vuyWAgj0 and tell me if it is a reasonable reset...
[09:35] <Slartibart> join #ubuntu-se
[09:36] <alkisg> th34lch3m1st: no, I personally never use `apt install --reinstall` without checking why the files were modified in the first place, as I consider it a very bad scenario, e.g. malware or corrupted disk
[09:40] <th34lch3m1st> alkisg there's a patched driver on mainline 5.15.0 kernel that can make work my device. I don't want compile the all kernel, just the folder where the driver is, disable the non-patched driver on my 5.11.0 and install the patched module.
[09:41] <alkisg> You can compile modules and put them in e.g. `/lib/modules/5.13.0-19-generic/updates` without touching your existing kernel packages. Also, if you register them with dkms, you can have them recompiled automatically on kernel updates
[09:41] <th34lch3m1st> reinstall the kernel it's just the fast way to restart from the beginning in 1 minute
[09:42] <th34lch3m1st> wow, that's good
[09:43] <th34lch3m1st> alksig some link with detailed instructions?
[09:46] <alkisg> No, I don't have any links handy
[09:48] <th34lch3m1st> alkisg thak you anyway :)
[09:51] <alkisg> 👍
[09:54] <Slartibart> 'lspci -k' gives me 'VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation AlderLake-S GT1 (rev 0c)'..but no 'Kernel driver in use: ...' line. Could that cause my login screen to not pop up? Command line works..
[10:01] <Slartibart> It lists 'Kernel modules: i915' though. How do I set the active driver?
[10:11] <mei> do you think with only 512 MB of ram, running 32 bit will save it a bit?
[10:12] <ThinkT510> what are you planning on running with only 512mb ram?
[10:14] <Lumpio-> I'm *really* tring to give snap a change but... what is this even?? https://i.imgur.com/1tlkMG7.png
[10:15] <Lumpio-> No other package manager does this
[10:16] <mei> i guess i will discover on the field what i could run on it.... but first i need the thing to be running
[10:16] <cbreak> Lumpio-: it doesn't want to update the program while you're still running it
[10:16] <Lumpio-> I am not using it and does it need to tell me 7 times
[10:17] <Lumpio-> And again, nothing else seems to deem it necessary to do this.
[10:18] <cbreak> firefox seems to just crash after a few hours, when ever it gets updated.
[10:19] <Lumpio-> So anyways how do I get snap to stop spamming me
[10:21] <cbreak> close the program?
[10:21] <cbreak> it should only tell you to close it if it's running somehow
[10:21] <Lumpio-> It's not visible and also not in "ps"
[10:21] <Lumpio-> So I don't see how updating it could be a problem
[10:22] <cbreak> maybe snap is too dumb to notice that :(
[10:23] <Lumpio-> Yeah this whole "new package manager" is a disaster
[10:24] <Lumpio-> I already had to install Chrome (not chromium) from Google's repository because the snap one didn't work and I need it to work, for work.
[10:24] <Lumpio-> It's bad enough to consider swithing to Debian altogether. I wonder if Debian still has really old packages for everything...
[10:34] <rex_> Good morning! I am looking around at what would be the best method to encrypt /home, swap and if possible / in a UEFI multiboot environment. But I find all the info I've found confusing. What one person recommends, another strongly advises against. I already have several Windows partitions running under Veracrypt but that doesn't seem to be the solution for /home and certainly not for /. LUKS is not really
[10:34] <rex_> secure they say. What should I do now?
[10:35] <mei> doesn't the ubuntu installer already offer to encrypt everythign?
[10:36] <rex_> Yes. But only "whole disk". And I'm not sure if that means DISK or partition and what happens to my Windows multiboot.
[10:37] <mei> you probably have to go manual partitioning
[10:37] <mei> honestly i don't remember, but i just used the ubuntu installer in the same situation
[10:37] <rex_> In that case the encrypt option disappears.
[10:38] <mei> (same situation defined as: uefi with windows on bitlocker + ubuntu with luks)
[10:41] <rex_> The problem is if I chooze to partition myself, the installer won't let me encrypt anymore. And the default disklayout is not compatible with what I want.
[10:42] <TJ-> rex_: luksFormat and open the LUKS containers yourself, too, then point the installer to where you want things
[10:43] <rex_> TJ-: Not sure I understand what you try to tell me.
[10:44] <rex_> I have no experience with luks.
[10:44] <TJ-> rex_: only just come in, but if I understand correctly, you want to configure block devices to your tastes, and not have the installer refuse to use them, or create problems?
[10:45] <TJ-> rex_: See my guide on FDE https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[10:46] <rex_> TJ-: Well, that will keep me busy for a while! Thanks :)
[10:46] <TJ-> rex_: Section 4 covers preparing a partitioning scheme - its up to you how you arrange things as long as when the installer starts the LUKS part is already opened and the installer sees LVs inside it, it'll work with those if you choose them in 'manual' mode
[10:47] <mei> the installer really have encryption support...
[10:48] <TJ-> mei: but not FDE and it will only work on an entire device. Doesn't like any other pre-existing usage that is to be kept, for example
[10:48] <rex_> Thanks. I have to go now but I'll dive right into it after I come home agin.
[10:48] <mei> the manually partitioning allow encryption
[10:49] <mei> https://imgur.com/a/XpxnwAj
[10:49] <rex_> mei: "the manually partitioning allow encryption" < In that case I must been blind.
[10:51] <rex_> At least if the Kubuntu installer is not too different...
[10:52] <TJ-> mei: that doesn't offer FDE installs though, only the root file system, or has that been added very recently?
[10:52] <mei> i guess i don't understand what is full disk encryption
[10:52] <mei> for me is /
[10:56] <TJ-> /boot/ needs to be encrypted too, so the kernel and initialramfs are protected
[10:56] <mei> oh, i didn't know that was a thing
[10:57] <TJ-> otherwise any attacker can slip some malware into the initrd.img or even replace the kernel
[11:00] <mei> does the installer with default encryption (not manual) do that?
[11:00] <TJ-> no, it never has, that's been a problem. It's one reason I wrote the FDE guide
[11:00] <mei> mhm, i see
[11:00] <TJ-> Some of us that know, have been doing FDE since around 2009 though, since GRUB supported it
[11:02] <TJ-> the problem with the way the installer does it, is it gives people a false sense of security. What it actually protects against isn't necessarily the same threat as people imagine they're protected against.
[11:02] <TJ-> But it isn't spelt out when the choice is made
[11:02] <mei> i feel like the common idea of encryption is not tempering but just private data though
[11:03] <TJ-> In the era of malware, it should be both.
[11:10] <Slartibart> My 21.10 live DVD takes about 30 mins booting from an USB 3.1 optical drive. Anyone experienced that?
[11:16] <cbreak> encryption doesn't protect against malware
[11:16] <cbreak> at least not if the data is transparently decrypted on the fly, as it is with FDE
[11:17] <cbreak> FDE encryption only protects data-at-rest, for example losing your storage medium
[11:18] <cbreak> malware that runs as root can just change your /boot, just like apt upgrade does
[11:18] <cbreak> if you want to defend against this, you need something like secure boot
[11:33] <faceface> hi
[11:33] <faceface> which dockerhub ubuntu has snap?
[11:35] <TJ-> cbreak: encrpytion protects against any payload (malware, sniffer, whatever) that is inserted into the kernel and/or initrd whilst a system is at rest and cannot be detected
[11:36] <TJ-> "malware" is a contraction of "malacious wares"
[11:36] <cbreak> faceface: you could run `apt install snapd`?
[11:36] <faceface> thanks cbreak
[11:37] <faceface> after I do that, I'm getting error: cannot communicate with server: when trying to use snap
[11:37] <cbreak> you probably have to start it
[11:37] <cbreak> systemctl start snapd or similar
[11:37] <faceface> I figure so, but this doesn't mention it https://phoenixnap.com/kb/install-snap-ubuntu
[11:37] <faceface> and service snapd status doesn't recognizie it ...anyway I'll google
[11:38] <WickedDekciw> Hello! Got a quick qs, is it possible to resize the writable partition on a live install?
[11:38] <cbreak> service? You're on ubuntu 10 or something?
[11:38] <faceface> cbreak: 18
[11:39] <cbreak> that uses systemd
[11:39] <cbreak> systemctl status / start / ... snapd
[11:39] <faceface> systemctl status snapd says System has not been booted with systemd as init system
[11:39] <cbreak> weird
[11:39] <faceface> docker
[11:39] <cbreak> maybe docker breaks it :/
[11:39] <faceface> seems so
[11:39] <faceface> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53383431/how-to-enable-systemd-on-dockerfile-with-ubuntu18-04
[11:40] <WickedDekciw> Anybody know?
[11:40] <faceface> searching for 'docker snap' always comes up with hits on how to insall docker using snap...
[11:41] <cbreak> faceface: you could just start the daemon yourself (for debugging purposes)
[11:41] <faceface> cbreak: thanks
[11:42] <cbreak> maybe just /usr/lib/snapd/snapd &
[11:43] <oerheks> WickedDekciw, sure, open disks, and use the mouse to drag the border
[11:43]  * cbreak would try to avoid snap
[11:43] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/disk-resize.html.en
[11:43] <faceface> cbreak: I tend to agree, I don't like snap
[11:43] <WickedDekciw> oerheks it's only showing up as a single volume on fdisk -l
[11:44] <WickedDekciw> can
[11:44] <WickedDekciw> can't seem to see inside it
[11:44] <oerheks> wickqand what filesystem is that?
[11:44] <WickedDekciw> oerheks writable
[11:45] <WickedDekciw> aka the new version of casper-rw
[11:45] <oerheks> i think it is bound to 4 gb?
[11:46] <WickedDekciw> casper-rw used to be, the new writable isn't... but I can't see to find a way to
[11:47] <oerheks> and what do you mean with 'new version of casper-rw'?
[11:50] <WickedDekciw> oerheks only in in the sense that they perform similar functions (i.e persistent data on a live install) and that with Ubuntu 20.x casper has gone out of vogue
[11:50] <WickedDekciw> so it more of a rhetorical statement
[11:50] <oerheks> i have no clue what you try to explain, basicly casper-rw is limited to 4 gb
[11:51] <oerheks> so i guess the answer is no
[11:52] <WickedDekciw> Okay, maybe I wasn't clear enough. casper-rw *is* in fact limited to 4GB. But, 'writable' isn't. I just can't seem to find it through lsblk or fdisk
[11:53] <TJ-> mei: I tried using the 21.10 installer to create the encrypted volumes; partitioner allowed setting the type for 1 partition (intended for /boot/ file-system) but on setting the type of the 2nd partition (intended for the VG and root-fs) installer crashes.  https://i.imgur.com/Um0Pf4f.png
[11:55] <WickedDekciw> And it isn't visible
[11:55] <TJ-> mei: also, installer does not allow creating the crypto volume and presenting it as an option for putting a VG inside
[11:59] <TJ-> mei: actually, installer has VARY weird behaviour. With a partition set with type crypto, pressing "Install Now" button shows no reaction; pressing "Back" brings up an error dialog "Keyfile creation failure" :s
[12:03] <TJ-> WickedDekciw: is it using an overlayfs over the mounted squashfs?
[12:03] <cbreak> the 21.04 installer, targeting ZFS, creates an unencrypted boot pool (containing /boot), and an encrypted root pool (containing the rest).
[12:03] <alkisg> WickedDekciw: are you currently booted with the live image? What's the output of this command? (sudo lsblk --fs; sudo parted -l; cat /proc/mounts) | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:04] <cbreak> and for some reason, it creates an other dataset / partition containing a key file, encrypted in some other way...
[12:06] <WickedDekciw> alkisg yes I'm currently booted, output is https://pastebin.com/HgNXFAv5
[12:07] <epicgamer> tmux new-window \; split-window -d
[12:07] <TJ-> that was epic!
[12:07] <alkisg> WickedDekciw: could you also upload the output of `sudo losetup -a`
[12:08] <WickedDekciw> alkisg https://pastebin.com/iyULkXTX
[12:08] <alkisg> There it is: /dev/loop1: [2065]:6 (/isodevice/multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64/writable)
[12:09] <alkisg> Now check that file with e.g. `sudo file /isodevice/multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64/writable` or with sudo fdisk -l file...
[12:09] <alkisg> Off; back later  :)
[12:19] <Slartibart> How do I set the graphics driver to be used? Changed from nvidia to intel integrated.
[12:24] <mei> TJ- i'm pretty sure it's working since i used it. it's just not really wizard like, you have setup things right
[12:24] <mei> btw.. this is interesting... just got a server instance of ubuntu, hostname is ubuntu, but in etc/hosts there is only localhost
[12:25] <TJ-> mei: I've tested it back and forward, there is no way to create a LUKS install using the installer and manual partitioning
[12:26] <TJ-> mei: it wants to create a key-file. It wants to write that into the root-fs. But it doesn't allow creation of a VG in the LUKS container, and an LV for the rootfs in that, in order to have a place to store the key-file
[12:27] <mei> well that's a more advanced setup. mine was a simple /boot ext, and a luks for /
[12:29] <TJ-> mei: the installer won't advance from the point of setting a type 'crypt' on a partition, so there's no way to create a file-system within it
[12:29] <TJ-> mei: it'll only advance if there is a separate / file-system defined elsewhere
[12:31] <mei> did you make a plain /boot? that's required
[12:33] <mei> i think you have do have that done right the first time, can be annoyng if you mess around
[13:02] <TJ-> mei: no, there is no way to get the installer to create the rootfs inside a type crypto  partition, unless you've created and opened the LUKS container before starting the installer.
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:12] <nicoz-> hi BluesKaj ;)
[13:12] <hype> Hi.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hi nicoz-
[13:14] <TJ-> mei: it seems as if choosing type crypto even for an otherwise unused partition causes the installer a problem. With such selected pressing "Install Now" does nothing; no advance, no messages, just the button down/up animation.
[13:24] <Slartibart> How do I check the currently used graphics driver? 'ubuntu-drivers devices' gives an empty output on my 21.10 live dvd.
[13:35] <oerheks> lshw -c video for all details, or; lspci -nnk | egrep -i --color 'vga|3d|2d' -A3 | grep 'in use'
[13:39] <Slartibart>  That gives me empty output [. Seems the grep part(s) miss something, invesstigating.
[13:40] <oerheks> weird, it should work
[13:40] <Slartibart> Ah, there's no 'in use' line.
[13:41] <Slartibart> There's a 'Kernel modules' line, but no 'Kernel driver in use' line.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> did you include the quotes ?
[13:42] <basenji> Slartibart: click Activities type software & updates -> Open -> Click on the Additional Drivers Tab -> It will scan for available drivers
[13:43] <Slartibart> BluesKaj: Yes, doublechecked just now
[13:45] <Slartibart> basenji: Thanks! "No additional drivers available" nonwithstanding ;).. Typical, booting from the live dvd I get useable graphics using integrated graphics on the new mobo. So I thought I'd check what to install in the real ubuntu install to get graphics working there again. Not so easy to check though, it seems..
[13:46] <basenji> Slartbart: click Activities & type Software & Updates -> open go to the Additional Drivers Tab -> It will search for additional drivers -> will show current driver.
[13:47] <basenji> OK
[13:49] <basenji> When you are on live DVD it is using the integrated graphics until you install on a HDD
[13:50] <Slartibart> I've mounted and chrooted now. 'apt search nouveau' says both nouveau-firmware and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau are installed. But how to verify that some nouveau package is used?
[13:50] <mei> TJ- when you create a crypto partition it does auto open it. i have no idea what issue you have
[13:51] <Slartibart> basenji: Yes, that sounds right. But how to make my existing ubuntu install do that as well, without reinstalling from scratch?
[13:52] <oerheks> Slartibart, so it looks like you have nvidia, switch to Xorg session and you are able to install nvidia drivers, for now; wayland + nvidia drivers = no no
[13:58] <basenji> Slartibart: That is how it works on installed Ubuntu. search for additional drivers in software & updates. C.L. to verify what you asked :  apt search nouveau
[13:58] <royaljelly> What groups does a typical ubuntu user belong to?
[13:59] <oerheks> royaljelly, type 'groups' in terminal ?
[13:59] <royaljelly> i don't run ubuntu
[13:59] <Slartibart> oerheks: Hmm, I had an nvidia gfx card before, but have now moved the sdd with the ubuntu install to another mobo that has integrated (intel) graphics. If I boot from the ssd now it stops before showing the login screen. Terminal(alt+f2) works though. Booted from live dvd now, gfx works(takes 30+ minutes to boot though :-|). Because it works I thought I'd copy the settings to my real ubuntu install.
[13:59] <Slartibart> But nouveau seems to be installed already, and the live dvd ubuntu is unwilling to list drivers.
[14:00] <oerheks> i don't have an example, with many services installed.
[14:00] <oerheks> Slartibart, don't do this on a live session
[14:00] <oerheks> use nouveau, the open driver
[14:01] <basenji> Slartibart: You will have to select drivers after the install.
[14:02] <royaljelly> oerheks: could you post your output for groups? I'll just ignore the groups that don't exist by default
[14:02] <Slartibart> basenji: I mounted and chrooted my real ubuntu, and searched for nouveau. It says both nouveau-firmware and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (not sure which one to use?) are both installed already.
[14:02] <Slartibart> basenji: Ok, so I should reinstall them?
[14:02] <basenji> it is using both as the live installer
[14:03] <basenji> that is why they are on the DVD
[14:04] <Slartibart> Ok, so I'll reboot and go to terminal, then. No problem, loading :)
[14:04] <basenji> other wise you would have an installer with no graphics
[14:05] <oerheks> royaljelly, i don't really want to,. whay do ask?
[14:08] <Slartibart> Sorry for nagging, but after purging, should I reinstall nouveau-firmware or xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?
[14:08] <royaljelly> oerheks: alright... I'm messing around with an ubuntu iso in a chroot and i want to create a user
[14:09] <royaljelly> i'm not really sure what groups he should be a part of
[14:20] <basenji> If you have the live version DVD. Just restart the DVD and do the install it would be easier. I have to go. Out
[14:29] <Slartibart> I found https://askubuntu.com/questions/1334227/unclaimed-display-in-ubuntu-21-04-with-rocket-lake, still no 'Kernel driver in use' for the gfx chip in lspci -nnk, 'lshw -c video' says it's unclaimed like in the link. But how to know which kernel to install?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: wich kernel version isnt picking your driver up?
[14:38] <Slartibart> lotuspsychje: 5.13.0
[14:38] <Slartibart> (uname -a)
[14:40] <Slartibart> 5.13.0-21-generic, even
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: usualy for testing purposes you can bootup previous kernel versions or experiment with !mainline higher kernels
[14:42] <Slartibart> lotuspsychje: But how to know which version to try?
[14:43] <jontyms> Hi I am getting these messages in the systemd-udev logs Nov 22 14:37:42 lan.example systemd-udevd[]: ethtool: autonegotiation is unset or enabled, the speed and duplex are not writable.
[14:43] <jontyms> Nov 22 14:37:42 lan.example systemd-udevd[]: Using default interface naming scheme 'v249'.  udev is also using large amounts of resources
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: i would advice to test systematicly, find a relevant bug of your issue, if none exist file a !bug yourself, then start to pinpoint between wich series of kernels your driver doesnt pickup anymore
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> Slartibart: wich kernel version was the last you recall it did load your driver?
[14:46] <mei> are packages in "universe" uploaded by maintainers? or they still go through automate build through source on ubuntu servers
[14:47] <jontyms> %CPU %MEM CMD
[14:47] <jontyms> 99.8  0.0 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
[14:47] <TJ-> Slartibart: what does "lspci -nn -d ::0300 | sed -n 's/.*\[\(....:....\)\].*/\1/ p'" report?
[14:48] <TJ-> mei: all uploads are source-only
[14:49] <Slartibart> lotuspsychje: Million dollar question. But I recently moved disks to a desktop from a laptop(which is when this began), so it hasn't really worked ever. The recent kernels on the system are 5.13 and 5.8 though.
[14:49] <Slartibart> TJ-: Checking
[14:49] <TJ-> Slartibart: it'll report the PCI device ID which we can then search the kernel modules for, to see when it was first supported
[14:51] <Slartibart> TJ-: 8086:4680
[14:51] <jontyms> I am on ubuntu 21.10 Linux 5.13.0-1010-raspi aarch64
[14:58] <alan_> ctw,vv/v'.s.'fv'.sd.gv;d
[14:58] <alan_> fc
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> can we help you alan_ ?
[14:59] <TJ-> Slartibart: OK, found it. That device (4680) was added in commit 0883d63b19bbd which is in v5.13 - should be in the i915 driver
[14:59] <mei> good, since apparently wireguard in ubuntu is yet not supported by canonical...
[15:00] <Velkorq> hey
[15:00] <Velkorq> is ubuntu lts any more recent (in packages) than debian stable?
[15:00] <Velkorq> or it tracks debian stable releases exactly?
[15:02] <TJ-> Slartibart: I see that device declared as an alias in the built module: "modules.alias:3406:alias pci:v00008086d00004680sv*sd*bc03sc*i* i915"
[15:02] <TJ-> Slartibart: check for your install with: " grep -n 8086.*4680 /usr/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/*module* "
[15:02] <Slartibart> TJ-: That sounds right, 'lspci -nnk' prints 'Kernel modules: i915' and some other things. But why isn't it in use? No 'Kernel module in use' line.
[15:03] <Slartibart> Ok, checking.
[15:03] <TJ-> Slartibart: OK, the "Kernel modules" is printed as a result of seeing the alias, so you've confirmed it is there
[15:04] <TJ-> Slartibart: can you show us the complete kernel log? Maybe there's something breaking and preventing it. " journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[15:05] <Slartibart> TJ-: grep found one line, but I guess that was the confirmed part? Running journalctl
[15:05] <TJ-> Slartibart: yes; at least we know it /should/ work !
[15:07] <Velkorq> does anyone know if ubuntu lts releases track debian stable?
[15:07] <Velkorq> and if therefore the packages are of the same version
[15:07] <TJ-> Velkorq: no
[15:07] <TJ-> Velkorq: Ubuntu syncs from Debian testing during the development phase
[15:08] <TJ-> Velkorq: after that only Security and Stable Release Updates are permitted
[15:08] <TJ-> !sru
[15:08] <Slartibart> *grooan*.. a lot of yellow and red lines in there :-|. https://termbin.com/kku3
[15:08] <Velkorq> so if i have ubuntu lts and debian stable, is ubuntu lts more up to date?
[15:08] <TJ-> Slartibart: well, that's good - it means it is unlikely to be a mystery
[15:09] <Slartibart> lol Ok, I reluctantly admit you got a point there.
[15:09] <Velkorq> i wanted to install one of those on a friends laptop so he can use it for 5 years without any problems, but i am not sure which will have newer packages
[15:09] <Velkorq> both i think are stable enough
[15:11] <TJ-> Slartibart: so, we have "i915 0000:00:02.0: Your graphics device 4680 is not properly supported by the driver in this kernel version. To force driver probe anyway, use i915.forxew_probe=4680 module parameter"
[15:12] <TJ-> Slartibart: therefore, let's try that manually right now and then review the kernel log to see how it got on. "sudo modprobe i915 force_probe=4680"
[15:12] <TJ-> Slartibart: then show me " journalctl -k -n 100 | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[15:14] <TJ-> Velkorq: we're currently in the development phase for the next LTS (22.04) to be released April 2022 - so maybe install 21.10 now and do a release-upgrade in May/June next year to that LTS
[15:15] <TJ-> Velkorq: Ubuntu has the "do-release-upgrade" tool that manages release upgrades correctly (not like the Debian way of just altering sources.list and dist-upgrade)
[15:16] <Slartibart> TJ-: https://termbin.com/59zp Should I try 'systemctl start plymouth-start' or something?
[15:16] <oerheks> TJ-,  i see vboxdrv too...?
[15:17] <TJ-> Slartibart: no, not yet!
[15:18] <TJ-> Slartibart: hmmm, don't see the i915 even trying to load there, but you've got a broken USB Bluetooth module that is causing log spam
[15:19] <TJ-> Slartibart: it looks like we may need to look further back. Try again with " journalctl -k --since="10 minutes ago" | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[15:19] <Slartibart> Could be the USB hub, should I disconnect it? I'd have to reboot and modprobe again, of course
[15:20] <Slartibart> Ok, pasting
[15:22] <Velkorq> TJ-: how dependable is that script "do-release-upgrade". can it break my system?
[15:22] <Velkorq> usually i do it manually on my systems, aka the debian way
[15:22] <TJ-> Velkorq: d-r-u is THE way it is done
[15:23] <TJ-> Velkorq: the GUI has an interface to it, too, via the 'Software' tool or whatever its called these days!
[15:23] <Velkorq> TJ-: isn't that software tool a gnome thing?
[15:23] <TJ-> d-r-u knows about any gotchyas and copes with LTS > LTS as well as dev > LTS upgrades
[15:23] <Velkorq> also does it only contain snaps or also includes normal software , aka packages, yeah
[15:24] <TJ-> Velkorq: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/do-release-upgrade.8.html
[15:25] <TJ-> Velkorq: what is 'it' on that context?
[15:25] <Slartibart> TJ-: https://termbin.com/2h6ta Moved back 40 minutes though
[15:26] <TJ-> Slartibart: did you definitely do "sudo modprobe i915 force_probe=4680" before then?
[15:26] <TJ-> Slartibart: there's nothing from i915 driver in there
[15:27] <TJ-> Slartibart: oh - maybe the driver is still in memory despite not binding, doh! Check that with "lsmod | grep i915" and it is, do "sudo modprobe --remove i915" and THEN do "sudo modprobe force_probe=4680"
[15:28] <TJ-> oh gawd, typos!
[15:28] <TJ-> Slartibart: "sudo modprobe i915 force_probe=4680"
[15:29] <Slartibart> Don't know what to say now. Hello, login screen? =)
[15:30] <Slartibart> TJ-: You made it!
[15:30] <TJ-> Slartibart: are you saying the GPU driver is working?
[15:30] <TJ-> Slartibart: OK, so now we need to make that permanent across reboots
[15:30] <Slartibart> The login screen appeared now, yes. *sunshine* I'll try logging in to be sure.
[15:31] <TJ-> Slartibart: " echo 'options i915 force_probe=4680' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf
[15:42] <Slartibart> TJ-: Sorry, just one last thing if it's ok.. When I rebooted I was back to no login screen. But if I removed i915 from command line and readded it the login screen appeared again. Could it be that i915.conf isn't being read?
[15:46] <TJ-> Slartibart: it could be, yes .. lets check if I made a typo!
[15:46] <Slartibart>  It does have the same permissions as the other files in /etc/modprobe.d. Does it have to be added somehow/somewhere?
[15:46] <ioria> TJ-, would not be better to make him install 5.15 from mainline ?
[15:47] <TJ-> ioria: and then get told "no support" as happened to another user yesterday?
[15:47] <TJ-> ioria: if this works it's far preferable
[15:47] <ioria> oky
[15:47] <TJ-> Slartibart: the one thing I can think is the module was loaded from the initialramfs which doesn't contain the option
[15:49] <TJ-> Slartibart: that is it - we just need to rebuild the initialramfs to include the change. "sudo update-initramfs -vu" should do it
[15:56] <Slartibart> TJ-: Yep, that was it. Still some network, bluetooth and perhaps some other things to wrestle now, but thanks a bunch, this was a huge step forward for me, I've been working on things since yesterday now. Thanks a ton.
[15:57] <TJ-> Slartibart: :)
[16:41] <digitalbreath> hi all! anyone here has a working example of netplan with 2 NICs with a different GW for each? Thanks!
[16:45] <WickedDekciw> TJ- so how do I do it then
[16:45] <WickedDekciw> I got this isodevice thingamajig but it went away
[16:52] <TJ-> WickedDekciw: no idea - I don't use the LiveISOs for anything
[17:02] <ash_worksi> what's the difference between .04 and .10 ?
[17:03] <digitalbreath> ash_worksi: .06
[17:03] <digitalbreath> :-D
[17:03] <sonOfRa> ash_worksi: about 0.06
[17:03] <sonOfRa> ah damn, too slow
[17:03] <ash_worksi> lol
[17:04] <Intelo> How can I reconfigure my xubuntu desktop (everything related to GUI, xorg, xfce etc)?
[17:04] <sonOfRa> ash_worksi: in general, .04 releases are released in april, and .10 releases are released in october. For even X, X.04 is going to be an LTS release, .10 releases are never LTS
[17:04] <Intelo> How can I reconfigure my xubuntu desktop (everything related to GUI, xorg, xfce etc)? I think I have problems with slugishness. System resources are pretty fine in htop though
[17:05] <ash_worksi> sonOfRa: so... the only difference is one is released later and doesn't have long term support?
[17:06] <sonOfRa> ash_worksi: pretty much. Ubuntu releases every 6 months, and every 4th release is LTS. .10 releases are never LTS, and .04 releases are LTS if the number in front is even. 19.04 -> not LTS. 18.04, 20.04 -> LTS
[17:07] <ash_worksi> o...k... I have to assume that .10 would have access to premature features?
[17:11] <ash_worksi> sonOfRa: ^ correct?
[17:12] <sonOfRa> Well, in generally, a newer release is going to have newer features, so 20.04 isn't going to have newer features than 19.10
[17:19] <WickedDekciw> TJ- sorry i was busy a bit
[17:20] <TJ-> sonOfRa: don't you mean 20.04 isn't going to have newer features than **20.10** ?
[17:21] <WickedDekciw> i found an isodevice thingamajig
[17:21] <WickedDekciw> but as I was saying it was gone
[17:21] <WickedDekciw> I couldn't mount it or something'
[17:32] <Intelo> How can I reconfigure my xubuntu desktop (everything related to GUI, xorg, xfce etc)? I think I have problems with slugishness. System resources are pretty fine in htop though
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> Intelo: tell us more about your sluggishness
[17:35] <Intelo> paused typing and mouse
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> Intelo: nothing suspucious in journalctl -f when its stuttering?
[17:41] <Intelo> lotuspsychje no idea. iam new
[17:45] <oerheks> top or htop can show memory and cpu usage, and you are certainly not new, Intelo
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> heh
[17:45] <WickedDekciw> TJ- so I found the problem (but not the solution)... writable is on loop1 (etx3 fs) but then I can't mount it
[17:46] <WickedDekciw> because I can't mkdir (no space).. chicken and egg
[17:49] <FNAShinobi> Is Gnome 40 coming to Ubuntu 20.04?
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> FNAShinobi: Geïnstalleerd: 40.5-1ubuntu2
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> currently's 22.04 gnome-shell version
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell focal
[17:56] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: you could mount it under any dir, even one that's not empty, but not needed
[17:59] <Intelo> oerheks good to know that people who can use top and htop cannot be counted as new :)
[18:03] <Intelo> lotuspsychje  xorg logs https://termbin.com/0u0i
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> ah, amdgpu and kernel 5.11 that might give some issues
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> Intelo: can you try other kernel versions as a test?
[18:09] <Intelo> lotuspsychje same results
[18:14] <sonOfRa> TJ-: indeed, that was a typo
[18:33] <ash_worksi> yeah, between major versions I would expect that... but the point is, the X.10 version is the more "bleeding edge" version of ubuntu, right? I guess I would expect one to only ever need .10 in very special circumstances?
[18:34] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^, i see
[18:34] <WickedDekciw> then what do you recommend
[19:20] <WickedDekciw> TJ- it isn't mounting at all even with anything
[19:21] <WickedDekciw> not resizefs either
[19:21] <WickedDekciw> because i CAN'T install the latter without space itself
[19:28] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: what are you trying to do exactly?
[19:28] <EriC^^> i came late to the party
[19:29] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ I'm trying to resize the persistent storage partition on a live USB (aka 'writable' or '/dev/loop1'), but I can't mount it or do anything to it
[19:32] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: can you paste the result of 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' ?
[19:34] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/f2fo
[19:34] <WickedDekciw> that's the only output, nothing else
[19:36] <EriC^^> the live usb is the 61gb disk?
[19:36] <WickedDekciw> yes
[19:37] <EriC^^> im guessing the writable fs is like 4gb?
[19:37] <WickedDekciw> yes, about 3.7, I'd like to increase it to fill much larger, like 40GB
[19:37] <WickedDekciw> or something
[19:37] <EriC^^> i dont think you can as it is, fat32 only supports 4gb files
[19:38] <EriC^^> 3.7Gib is like 4gb im guessing that's it
[19:38] <EriC^^> i think you have to make a more persistent live usb type
[19:38] <EriC^^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[19:40] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ is there anyway I can copy it to another device maybe (create a partition on a larger usb) and resize it from there
[19:40] <WickedDekciw> I do have said larger device already connected actually for other tasks
[19:43] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: hmm, i think you might be able to resize the fat32 fs/partition on /dev/sdb and maybe use the remaining space as a writable partition, not really sure though
[19:43] <WickedDekciw> I tried thru gparted but it couldn't seem to resize
[19:44] <WickedDekciw> from dev/sdd2
[19:44] <WickedDekciw> I wanted to create a new partition from that
[19:45] <EriC^^> i'm abit confused what you mean, also wonder why sdd2 has no fs
[19:45] <EriC^^> you're booted into the live usb right now?
[19:45] <EriC^^> the live session?
[19:46] <WickedDekciw> yes
[19:46] <WickedDekciw> sdd2 is ntfs just isn't mounted
[19:46] <EriC^^> ah i see
[19:46] <EriC^^> i dont think you can resize sdb while in the live session
[19:47] <EriC^^> you'd need another live usb that you boot and from there to work on sdb
[19:47] <WickedDekciw> well then anyway I can copy the data to a new partition from sdd2 anyway also
[19:47] <WickedDekciw> ?
[19:48] <EriC^^> im not sure what you mean, could you explain more?
[20:02] <Navyx> hello
[20:04] <oerheks> :-)
[20:04] <Navyx> im trying the irc protocol
[20:04] <oerheks> !yay
[20:05] <Navyx> thanyou
[20:05] <Navyx> what is the objetive of this canal?
[20:05] <oerheks> now register your nickname, and you can enter almost any channel
[20:05] <oerheks> see topic?
[20:05] <oerheks> ubuntu support
[20:05] <Navyx> ok
[20:05] <Navyx> only ubuntu server?
[20:06] <Navyx> i use ubuntu desktop
[20:06] <oerheks> no, all flavors, but there is a dedicated #ubuntu-server channel too
[20:06] <Navyx> perfect
[20:07] <Samnzdat> Happy Birthday DC++, the freedom of speech platform!
[20:07] <Samnzdat> 20 years old today
[20:07] <oerheks> Samnzdat, party in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:07] <Samnzdat> O fuck off, ban and be done.l
[20:08] <Navyx> happy birthday man
[20:21] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ sorry got disconnected... didn't follow the last part.. i was saying if i could copy the partitions
[20:21] <WickedDekciw> to dev/sdd2
[20:21] <WickedDekciw> and work from there
[20:21] <WickedDekciw> like resize it on there
[20:22] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: do you already have stuff on sdb?
[20:22] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ yes
[20:22] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: ah i see, yeah sure that sounds better
[20:23] <ash_worksi> just out of curiosity, if you're telling someone to navigate to '/etc' do you pronounce it '"et" - "see"' or "et cetera" ?
[20:23] <ash_worksi> or something else?
[20:23] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: you could dd over the whole disk sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/path/to/sdd2/mounted/ubuntu.img bs=4M status=progress && sync
[20:25] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: although come to think of it, it'd be better to do this from a live usb cause it's mounted already, plus in the end you're going to need a live usb to dd it over back to sdb
[20:25] <oerheks> According to Craig Hunt's Linux System Administration: it's pronounced "et-see"
[20:25] <oerheks> i say E.T. see
[20:25] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ question is how to resize a brand new partition out of sdd2 if gparted isn't doing it
[20:26] <Walex> resizing partitions is trivial: just change the extents; the difficulty is resizing their *contents*, which may be complicated.
[20:26] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: you dont need to resize a partition there, you just want to dd over the disk as an .img file and work on resizing that
[20:26] <ash_worksi> I see; I always hear someone I work with say "et-see" but I always thought to myself, "I mean... we have that literal abbrev. in English."
[20:27] <ash_worksi> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:28] <Walex> ash_worksi: but "etc." in english is pronounced "et-setera", not "et-see"
[20:32] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ i thought it would erase the data already on sdd2
[20:32] <WickedDekciw> that's why
[20:34] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: i see, nope you can just mount sdd2 and write sdb to a file there, then work on it using "fdisk ubuntu.img" etc
[20:35] <WickedDekciw> unable to access sdd2 no space left on device !??
[20:36] <WickedDekciw> udisks-error-quark, 0
[20:39] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: what does 'df -h /dev/sdd2' show?
[20:42] <ash_worksi> Walex: yes, that was my point
[20:43] <rypervenche> ash_worksi: In the work environment, people often say "et see" since it's quicker. You'll hear other things sometimes like "/var/www" will be "var dub dub dub".
[20:44] <ash_worksi> rypervenche: oh, I haven't heard that
[20:44] <oerheks> vàr weh weh weh
[20:45] <ash_worksi> it's interesting the words that I try to pronounce vs not; I think I _try_ to pronounce words in / unless I think it's pronounced abbreviation is easier
[20:46] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ https://pastebin.com/WEyr7D4w
[20:46] <ash_worksi> like, words I would say: bin boot dev home lib media opt proc root sys unix var
[20:47] <ash_worksi> words I would expand are basically just: mnt tmp usr src
[20:47] <WickedDekciw> ash_worksi the dictionary's own pronunciation of things is literally asking native speakers and getting the average, so philosophically every pronunciation is right
[20:48] <ash_worksi> I wonder if there are alternate pronounciations for those... I say "mount" "temp" "user" and "source" for those particular dirs
[20:49] <WickedDekciw> ash_worksi ˈmau̇nt vs ˈmau̇nt
[20:50] <WickedDekciw> ˈmau̇nt vs maʊnt sorry
[20:50] <WickedDekciw> different pronunciation US vs UK
[20:50] <ash_worksi> I see, but it's pretty categorically excepted to say the word "mount" for /mnt (in whatever dialect)
[20:51] <ash_worksi> accepted*
[20:51] <WickedDekciw> The word "mount" as a word lexicographically, sure.
[20:52] <WickedDekciw> But how people say the word specifically (without reference to any abbreviation, just the word) it's different
[20:53] <ash_worksi> yeah; what about "usr"? do people just say "user" ?
[20:53] <jemark> accents matter :-)
[20:53] <WickedDekciw> jemark yes exactly
[20:54] <ash_worksi> or do they try to day "uh-ser" or something?
[20:54] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ https://pastebin.com/itckGHT2
[20:54] <WickedDekciw> ash_worksi Either "U-z-ar" or "uh-s-ee-r"
[20:55] <EriC^^> something isnt right with sdd2, it says the whole fs size is 95M
[20:55] <EriC^^> also it's fat32 it seems
[20:56] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: it looks like the disks changed names on the reboot or something, try 'sudo parted -ls' again
[20:57] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ https://pastebin.com/2HMF5aES
[20:58] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: aha, try sudo umount /mnt && sudo mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt
[20:59] <WickedDekciw> done
[20:59] <EriC^^> should work now to dd it to a file /mnt/ubuntu.img
[21:01] <WickedDekciw> i lost the dd command you sent since I rebooted EriC^^
[21:01] <WickedDekciw> Was it 4k sector or sth
[21:01] <jemark> WickedDekciw: lsscsi,  lsblk,  sudo umount /mnt && sudo mount -a && mount | grep /mnt
[21:04] <jemark> WickedDekciw: cat /etc/fstab | grep /mnt , to see what is mount at boot (if you have specified it here  ;-) )
[21:05] <WickedDekciw> you are a mind reader woah
[21:05] <jemark> WickedDekciw: :-)
[21:05] <WickedDekciw> but it shows nothin ahaha :(
[21:06] <WickedDekciw> see, I can't install no packages including lsscsi itself until I fix this issue
[21:06] <WickedDekciw> nor can I even fix dpkg
[21:08] <WickedDekciw> error creating mount point no space left on device
[21:09] <WickedDekciw> so as you can see
[21:09] <WickedDekciw> ahaha
[21:09] <jemark> df -h ?
[21:09] <pycurious> When unattended upgrades happen, can it overwrite my modifications to /lib/systemd/system/docker.service ?
[21:10] <pycurious> my docker broke in the middle of things - and am trying to figure out what happened
[21:11] <WickedDekciw> jemark https://pastebin.com/zeQjPSNm
[21:11] <jemark> ├─sdd2 vfat -> other partitions of this disk are seen as ntfs
[21:11] <WickedDekciw> the /cow is the only I want to resize (writable)
[21:12] <TJ-> pycurious: you shouldn't change anything in /lib/systemd/system/ - overrides should be in /etc/systemd/system/<myservice.service>.conf/override.conf  and won't be touched
[21:12] <pycurious> TJ-: thanks
[21:12] <TJ-> pycurious: the overrides files are automatically created by "systemctl edit <myservice.service>"
[21:14] <jemark> WickedDekciw: try to connect this disk  in a Windows OS and do a chkdisk /f and then connect it again in your Ubuntu system. There is some curruption in the Windows filesystem or the disk was not unmount cleanly from Windows, I believe.
[21:15] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/mnt/ubuntu.img bs=4M status=progress && sync
[21:17] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ sdc2 isn't mounting properly
[21:18] <WickedDekciw> doesn't show up in Nautilus
[21:18] <WickedDekciw> weird
[21:18] <jemark> WickedDekciw: your root filesystem (/cow)  is completely full
[21:18] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: it should be in /mnt
[21:18] <WickedDekciw> jemark yes that's the issue I
[21:18] <WickedDekciw> am trying to expand its size
[21:18] <EriC^^> it wont show up to the left thouh
[21:18] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ it doesn't show up to the left yeah I was used to that
[21:18] <WickedDekciw> ahaha
[21:18] <jemark> WickedDekciw: you would need to delete some files, otherwise you have issues like this.
[21:19] <WickedDekciw> can I return it back to the left LOL
[21:19] <WickedDekciw> jemark I'm trying to permanently resize it
[21:19] <WickedDekciw> to avoid this issue
[21:19] <WickedDekciw> then maybe later I'll just daily drive the thing because it is so much freakin better than any kind or sort of Windows
[21:20] <WickedDekciw> (yes, I'm 20 years late)
[21:20] <WickedDekciw> I just need it so far for sth else
[21:21] <WickedDekciw> so I'm resizing it
[21:21] <jemark> WickedDekciw: check files in /home/<user> (your username) and see if you can delete some files and then reboot the computer afterwards.
[21:22] <WickedDekciw> jemark yeah, it's kinda empty being a live usb you know I'm just going for the permanent solution
[21:23] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: you could install ubuntu to the usb as normal if you wanted, would be nice to have an installation with kernel updates and whatnot
[21:23] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ yeah I'm trying to expand the thing so I can like test it out and see what's up on the whole USB first
[21:25] <WickedDekciw> cd /dev/sdc2
[21:25] <WickedDekciw> bash: cd: /dev/sdc2: Not a directory
[21:25] <WickedDekciw> this isn't like Windows at all ahahaha
[21:26] <tomreyn> you don't change into a partition on windows either, jsust into a mounted file system (possibly mounted from a partition). it's just presented differently there.
[21:27] <tomreyn> the whole "drive" approach of windows / dos is very misleading sadly
[21:27] <WickedDekciw> tomreyn it's not like that exactly on Windows yes I am aware, but it abstracts away so much of this
[21:27] <WickedDekciw> and it's easier for people like me
[21:27] <WickedDekciw> kind of, anyway
[21:28] <tomreyn> use graphical utilities then, they also try to make things seem simple.
[21:30] <jemark> WickedDekciw: extending a live mounted USB running Ubuntu on the fly won't be possible, I'm afraid. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[21:31] <WickedDekciw> jemark I believe it is, though I'm trying to explore how. A possibility is what I'm doing which is just imaging it first
[21:35] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: after you dd it and have a backup, what you could do is remount the live usb read-only then try to resize it
[21:36] <jemark> WickedDekciw: boot another live CD and then use GParted to extend the partition of your other USB disk?
[21:36] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ it isn't dd-ing because it isn't showing up
[21:36] <EriC^^> if you have another live usb to boot though that would be the easiest way to do it as jemark suggested
[21:36] <WickedDekciw> I don't, that's the thing sadly
[21:37] <EriC^^> if you have an .iso of ubuntu you could boot that using your live usb's grub
[21:37] <WickedDekciw> but it isn't like showing up as mounted
[21:37] <WickedDekciw> it seems
[21:37] <EriC^^> sdc2 not mounted at /mnt?
[21:38] <WickedDekciw> it shows up in /mnt but I can't open it
[21:38] <WickedDekciw> It isn't in /mnt on Nautilus tho
[21:38] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: probably permissions issue, you'd need to open nautilus with 'sudo -H nautilus /mnt'
[21:41] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ same, no dice
[21:42] <EriC^^> what did the dd command give when you ran it?
[21:43] <jemark> WickedDekciw: this is a nice guide (probably won't help you here): https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-properly-automount-a-drive-in-ubuntu-linux/
[21:44] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^ it opened nautilus in /mnt, but nothing is mounted
[21:44] <WickedDekciw> nothing shows us
[21:44] <WickedDekciw> s/up
[21:45] <tomreyn> nautilus mounts would go to /media/username/volume_name
[21:46] <WickedDekciw> tomreyn folder is empty
[21:46] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: what does 'df -h /dev/sdc2' give?
[21:46] <WickedDekciw> df: cannot access '/dev/sdc2': over-mounted by another device
[21:47] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: try 'mount | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:48] <WickedDekciw> https://termbin.com/0lqe
[21:50] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: try 'sudo mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt'
[21:55] <jemark> WickedDekciw: you have some external windows formatted disks connected to a USB read-only Ubuntu OS. I would suggest to disconnect that sdd  931.5G disk, connected to Windows and do a chkdisk /f, cleanly unmount in Windows and then connect it again.
[21:56] <winircuser-374> good evening Team I am setting up a Samba server and was wondering if anyone has experience
[21:56] <winircuser-374> on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux server I configure and am not able to connect form the windows 10
[21:56] <jemark> !samba
[21:57] <winircuser-374> thanks ubottu the server is on the internet and the windows client is behind firewall on a private network and opened the ports with the documentaiton
[21:59] <winircuser-374> when I go to network to try to connect it times out
[22:00] <ash_worksi> what's the command to open a file in the default program?
[22:00] <EriC^^> xdg-open /file
[22:01] <ash_worksi> thanks
[22:01] <EriC^^> no problem
[22:01] <ash_worksi> sorry, just having massive brain farts
[22:02] <jemark> ash_worksi: :-)
[22:02] <winircuser-374> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-samba#3-setting-up-samba
[22:02] <winircuser-374> I followed the document to the T and still cant connect opened up the proper ports on the firewall
[22:03] <winircuser-374> was hoping maybe someone here has experience with samba that may be able to assist
[22:06] <oerheks> sudo ufw list # and see if samba is there; sudo ufw allow samba
[22:06] <jemark> winircuser-374: https://serverfault.com/questions/105241/accessing-samba-shares-over-the-internet
[22:06] <oerheks> err sudo ufw app list
[22:09] <jemark> winircuser-374: https://superuser.com/questions/1108484/port-forwarding-samba
[22:09] <winircuser-374> will look at setting up SFTP i agree not secure over the internet
[22:10] <jemark> winircuser-374: it's not a good idea, like running own email server from residential home with normal broadband.
[22:11] <marc_> how do i restart the sound service
[22:12] <jemark> winircuser-374: sftp or just ssh sounds better and you can use WinScp or FieZilla from your Windows box to connect to your files at home.
[22:12] <jemark> winircuser-374: !ssh
[22:13] <oerheks> marc_, pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload
[22:13] <jemark> winircuser-374: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[22:13] <marc_> ok i did that and its still off
[22:14] <oerheks> How do you tell it is still off? restarted the application too?
[22:15] <marc_> yea the only thing i can thing to do is restart ubuntu
[22:15] <oerheks> follow the troubleshoot guide then; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:26] <WickedDekciw> Eric, I rebooted due to an issue and I'm stuck on snapd
[22:27] <WickedDekciw> A start job is running for snap daemon
[22:27] <WickedDekciw> And the time counter keeps increasing
[22:28] <WickedDekciw> This is weird
[22:29] <WickedDekciw> And now it's no limit LOL
[22:29] <EriC^^> in grub do you have any 'advanced' menu?
[22:30] <EriC^^> try hitting alt+ctrl+del to reboot then see in grub
[22:32] <WickedDekciw> Alright
[22:35] <WickedDekciw> Eric^^ I'm on the grub cmd now
[22:36] <EriC^^> is there 'advanced' in the menu?
[22:36] <WickedDekciw> Nah
[22:36] <WickedDekciw> I just pressed c for cmd
[22:38] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: try hitting esc to go back to the menu, and press 'e' over try ubuntu
[22:38] <WickedDekciw> Done
[22:38] <WickedDekciw> Setparams
[22:38] <WickedDekciw> And stuff appeared
[22:39] <WickedDekciw> YUMI UEFI (Grub 2.05-202
[22:39] <WickedDekciw> setparams '>Linux Distributions' configfile /multiboot/menu/linux.cfg
[22:43] <EriC^^> try pressing esc to go back to the menu
[22:43] <EriC^^> what options do you have there other than try ubuntu?
[22:44] <WickedDekciw> It's grub4dos
[22:44] <WickedDekciw> Thru YUMI
[22:45] <EriC^^> any tools or something? recovery etc?
[22:46] <WickedDekciw> C and e
[22:46] <WickedDekciw> Nd esc
[22:46] <WickedDekciw> Is all
[22:47] <EriC^^> so just 'try ubuntu' and if you press 'e' on that you get setparams stuff
[22:48] <WickedDekciw> I don't actually have try Ubuntu that you're suggesting because it's loading through a  custom grub
[22:49] <WickedDekciw> Yumi is basically a custom live installer which is the one I frequently use and the way it works is it sets up grubdos/syslinux
[22:49] <EriC^^> is there a way to edit the kernel parameters? like how you add 'nomodeset' and stuff
[22:49] <EriC^^> i see
[22:51] <WickedDekciw> There doesn't seem to be a way to edit that because it hasn't actually loaded when it's on grub
[22:51] <WickedDekciw> It's only if you specifically loaded does it then boot
[22:52] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: try pressing 'c'
[22:53] <EriC^^> then type "ls"
[22:53] <EriC^^> does it show a multiboot dir?
[22:55] <WickedDekciw> grub> is
[22:55] <WickedDekciw> (proc) (hde) (hde, msdosi) (hd1) (hd1, gpt6) (hd1, gpt5) (hd1, gpt4) (hd1, gpt3) (hd1, gpt2) (hd1,gpt1) (hd2)
[22:55] <WickedDekciw> grub>
[22:57] <EriC^^> ah my bad, try "ls /"
[22:59] <UserUS> Is there a way to perform a system upgrade without removing packages marked to be removed and not upgraded?
[23:00] <WickedDekciw> multiboot/boot/ efi/ System Volume Information/ bootex.log
[23:02] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: ok type 'cat /multiboot/menu/linux.cfg'
[23:05] <WickedDekciw> https://pastebin.com/cPdk9ppR
[23:14] <WickedDekciw> WickedDekciw:
[23:16] <basenji> I am applying to become an Ubuntu member.
[23:16] <basenji> Mabey you are able to help by submitting a testimonial?
[23:16] <basenji>    https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/bernard-stafford-membership-application/25395     OR email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:16] <WickedDekciw> Eric^^
[23:18] <EriC^^> crap the electricity here went WickedDekciw
[23:18] <WickedDekciw> Damn brother
[23:18] <WickedDekciw> Dayum
[23:21] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciw im back
[23:21] <WickedDekciw> Aight
[23:21] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciw could you repaste the link? at the very bottom it had the config file where i think it boots ubuntu from
[23:22] <WickedDekciw> https://pastebin.com/cPdk9ppR
[23:22] <EriC^^_> btw i might get dc suddenly once the router's ups runs out
[23:23] <EriC^^_> try "cat /multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64/grub.cfg" no need to write it all out, just see if there are lines like "linux ....blablabla" and "initrd blablabla"
[23:25] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciw usually when you boot what do you press? i think at the very last link you press if you press "e" over that one you should be able to edit the linux lines
[23:25] <WickedDekciw> When I press e I get to the configuration menu
[23:26] <EriC^^_> you really just want to add "init=/bin/bash" in the linux .......blablabla line towards the end, and press f10 to boot the editted entry
[23:26] <WickedDekciw> setparams '>Linux Distributions'____ configfile multiboot/menu/linux.cfg
[23:26] <EriC^^_> then you should get a shell and be able to remount readonly and run fsck, or if you want i think if you do "touch /forcefsck" and then reboot it should automatically fsck as it boots
[23:28] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciw how does the menu/booting work in yumi? do you have like 1 menu you press and then a list of os, and ubuntu there and pressing that boots it?
[23:28] <WickedDekciw> Eric^^ there is pretty much a custom grub menu
[23:28] <WickedDekciw> Reboot Linux distributions system tools
[23:29] <WickedDekciw> Reboot Linux distributions system tools those are the three options
[23:29] <EriC^^_> aha if you press on linux distributions what happens?
[23:29] <WickedDekciw> System tools is basically where it separates custom partitions of completely separate live installs like clonezilla but I don't have one on the disk
[23:29] <aae> can anyone help me with a search string? i feel like i'm going crazy trying to figure this out.... running 20.04 i have kvm and am using virt-manager, i have a windows 10 VM in there and it has 2 nics, one connected to a NAT to my host to get it out to the internet, and another attached to a bridge defined in virt as well... now... how do i access
[23:29] <aae> that bridge from my host? how do i get an interface on my host that i can assign an IP that'll connect to that bridge?
[23:30] <WickedDekciw> Linux distributions is just Ubuntu
[23:30] <EriC^^_> aha try to press on it, then when you get ubuntu, press 'e' over it
[23:32] <WickedDekciw> YUMI UEFI [Grub 2.05-20210101-2163d8f0c]
[23:32] <WickedDekciw> setparams 'ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64
[23:32] <WickedDekciw> set gfxpayload=keep
[23:32] <WickedDekciw> configfile /multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64/grub.cfg
[23:32] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciwif you press on ubuntu it would just boot?
[23:35] <WickedDekciw> Yes
[23:36] <WickedDekciw> And get stuck on snapd
[23:38] <EriC^^_> ok press 'c' again then try "cat /multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64/grub.cfg"
[23:38] <EriC^^_> i think it should show the linux and initrd lines that do the actual booting
[23:40] <basenji> I agree
[23:44] <WickedDekciw> Eric I'm going to try to type that down because I obviously can't copy it when I'm not connected to anything
[23:48] <WickedDekciw> Eric^^ https://paste-bin.xyz/15948
[23:49] <WickedDekciw> Hopefully this is right because I copied it from the screen because there's obviously no way to copy from grub
[23:50] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciw looks great
[23:51] <EriC^^_> are you like using iphone image to text or something?
[23:52] <WickedDekciw> Something like that yeah
[23:53] <EriC^^_> WickedDekciw ok in the grub cmd type "insmod part_msdos"
[23:53] <WickedDekciw> Done
[23:53] <EriC^^_> and "insmod fat" and "insmod ext2"
[23:57] <WickedDekciw> Done
[23:59] <EriC^^_> then type   linux /multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64/casper/vmlinuz iso-scan/filename=/multiboot/ubuntu -20.04.3-desktop-amd64/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.1so boot-casper persistent persistent-path=/multiboot/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64 noprompt noeject
[23:59] <EriC^^_> i think if we dont put the fsck=skip part it should run a fsck on it as it boots
[23:59] <WickedDekciw> Alright


[22:05] <Takyoji> Are there any other materials similar to "Understanding FOSS Visual Guide" (which someone had shared in the mailing list to someone needing materials)
[23:00] <Flannel> Takyoji: Such as?


[05:46] <fritsch> bschaefer: perfect
[10:12] <om26er> bug 1641901 says Hi!
[10:12] <ubot5`> bug 1641901 in MirAL "Need surface geometry for autopilot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641901
[10:26] <alan_g> om26er: mir_debug_surface_coords_to_screen() waves back
[10:31] <om26er> alan_g: hm, that looks like a bool[1], I presume it requires some parameters that we are actually trying to determine. [1] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/view/head:/src/client/mir_debug_api.cpp#L34
[10:33] <alan_g> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/view/head:/include/client/mir_toolkit/debug/surface.h#L48
[10:38] <alan_g> om26er: the bool tells you whether this extension has been enabled by the server.
[11:34] <alan_g> greyback: any likelyhood of miral reviews today?
[11:34] <greyback> alan_g: sure
[11:57] <om26er> alan_g: re your comment on the bug report. "Mir-0.25 provides a server-side API that allows this debug extension to be enabled dynamically. E.g. by Unity8"
[11:57] <om26er> Do you think it would make more sense to keep this feature one layer above unity8 ? think of the case of a Kiosk-like environment where unity8 is not the server. That way we can enable autopilot to work on more environments.
[12:00] <om26er> that brings me to question, will starting `unity8 --debug` enable the debug extensions ?
[12:01] <alan_g> om26er: *any* Mir server will respect the "debug" option which can be supplied at startup via commandline, environment variable or config file. The server-side API is available in Mir-0.25 & MirAL-0.5, but needs a mechanism for the server to call it
[12:02] <alan_g> In short, yes "unity8 --debug" will work
[12:03] <alan_g> I understand from greyback that there's a desire to do this dynamically (via dbus) for some test scenarios
[12:03] <alan_g> A kiosk implementation probably doesn't need dbus.
[12:12] <alan_g> greyback: thanks for the reviews. (ALL approved!?)
[12:12] <greyback> alan_g: you did good :)
[12:13] <greyback> alan_g: I only questioned if "debug extensions" should be plural
[12:13] <greyback> which is a nitpick of the highest order
[12:13] <alan_g> but a perfectly good one
[12:16] <alan_g> To me it sounds better (and future proof) with the "s", but multiple APIs could be "an extension" so I see your point
[12:21] <greyback> not something worth blocking on