[01:37] <Unit193> paultag: s/1.9.11/1.9.12/  and you'll be good.
[02:08] <skellat> .weather KHZY
[02:09] <jenni> Overcast ☁, 71.6°F (22°C), 30.18in (1019mb), Light Rain, Light breeze 5kt (↑) - KYNG, 01:51Z
[02:09] <skellat> .weather 44135
[02:09] <jenni> Cloudy, 78.8°F (26°C), 30.14in (1017mb), Light breeze 4kt (↑) - KCLE 01:51Z
[19:39] <skellat> .weather KCLE
[19:39] <jenni> Overcast ☁, 78.8°F (26°C), 30.17in (1018mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (↑) - KCLE 18:51Z
[19:44] <skellat> Hmm: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/4-to-1-public-library-benefits-and-budgets
[19:44] <jenni> [ $4 to $1: Public Library Benefits and Budgets | Indiegogo ] - http://j.mp/10Cc77I


[00:29] <gonzalob> hello!
[00:32] <gonzalob> I'm looking for some help with qmltestrunner
[00:34] <gonzalob> I'm not familiar with IRC, is anybody here? : )
[00:43] <daker> gonzalob: bad timing :)
[00:43] <gonzalob> yep, I'm seeing that
[00:48] <daker> nik90_: popey here is an updated click package to test for tomorow http://ubuntuone.com/3uH8koLbN3Ik1Te1bROfMM it runs with qmlscene and the plugin is an .so file now
[00:48] <daker> i hope it will works
[00:48] <popey> daker: lemme give it a quick test now
[00:48] <daker> popey: oh i can wait :)
[00:48] <popey> you should bump the version number ☻
[00:49] <popey>     "desktop_Exec (rad.io)": "absolute path '/usr/bin/qmlscene -I plugin rad.io.qml' for Exec given in .desktop file."
[00:50] <daker> one sec
[00:50] <popey> just remove /usr/bin
[00:51] <daker> popey: http://ubuntuone.com/7iSd5cPII2vcN1Dm6CJpjE
[00:51] <popey> ok
[00:51]  * daker crossing his fingers...
[00:52] <popey>     "lint_click_files": "found click packages in toplevel dir: com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad-io_0.3_all.click"
[00:52] <popey> ☻
[00:53] <daker> popey: http://ubuntuone.com/6mBUztwS3EpaONB01DnPln
[00:54] <popey> still getting     "lint_click_files": "found click packages in toplevel dir: com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad-io_0.3_all.click"
[00:54] <popey> thats just a warning though.. but needs fixing
[00:55]  * popey pushes to phone
[00:55] <popey> ** (process:5981): WARNING **: Unable to read the desktop file '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad.io/rad.io.desktop' in the application directory: Key file does not start with a group
[00:56] <daker> why rad.io.desktop i have changed that on the manifest to rad-io.desktop
[00:57] <popey> maybe an old click package i have kicking around
[00:57] <popey> i get that sometimes
[00:57] <daker> the namespace is not rad.io but rad-io
[00:57] <popey> just rebooting phone
[00:58] <daker> tyt
[00:58] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-015829.png
[00:58] <daker> \o/
[00:59] <daker> popey: try search for : 977
[00:59] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-015855.png
[00:59] <popey> ok
[01:00] <daker> the HITZ channel has a working stream
[01:00] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-020000.png
[01:00] <popey> its playing
[01:01] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-020053.png
[01:01] <popey> artwork
[01:01] <popey> local knows I'm in the UK, nice
[01:01] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-020130.png
[01:02] <daker> Wow :)
[01:02] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-020209.png  \o/ BBC World Service
[01:03] <popey> Nice work daker
[01:03] <daker> popey: thanks
[01:04] <daker> hope you like it
[01:04] <popey> yeah, it's cool
[01:04] <popey> nice to see it working on a device
[01:05] <daker> still some small spacing issue, but i spent two 3 hours to refactor the code
[01:05] <daker> but yeah Wow
[01:05]  * popey spams G+ with screenshots
[01:06] <popey> and now bed... nn daker
[01:06] <daker> g'night and thanks!
[01:07] <popey> np
[01:09] <popey> daker: before I go, two minor comments. I'd change "Local Radios" to "Local Radio". and "No track infos" to "No track info". They read better that way IMHO ☻
[01:10] <popey> we never pluralise "Radio" or "Info"
[01:10] <daker> popey: sure i'll fix that
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:57] <dpm> morning too :)
[07:14] <mihir_> dpm: morning :)
[07:14] <dpm> morning mihir_
[07:17] <dholbach> dpm, lool: how does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/2.7.2-0ubuntu3 look to you?
[07:20] <dpm> dholbach, what kind of feedback are you after? Do you want us to test it from -proposed?
[07:21] <dholbach> dpm, no, just look at the amount of bug fixes
[07:21] <dholbach> I opened a bottle of champagne already
[07:21] <dpm> nice :)
[07:22] <dholbach> jppiiroinen, great work
[07:22] <dpm> so, yeah, it looks great to me, indeed, nice work jppiiroinen :)
[07:23] <lool> dholbach: the changelog is awesome  :-)
[07:23] <lool> dholbach: not sure it was meant to go straight to saucy though, doesn't that go through daily landing?
[07:24] <dholbach> Mirv, ^ are there plans for q-p-u to go through daily landing?
[07:26] <Mirv> dholbach: it'd need autopilot tests, otherwise it'd be ready
[07:26] <Mirv> the packaging has been prepared and it's added to a stack, just disabled
[07:26] <dholbach> lool, ^
[07:27] <Mirv> with zero automated testing it's a bit too risky to enable it
[07:30] <lool> hmmm
[07:30] <lool> I sense a contradiction of some sort
[07:30] <jppiiroinen> dholbach, dpm: thanks! :)
[07:31] <jppiiroinen> lool: welcome to the dark side
[07:31] <lool> lack of autopilot tests are only an issue to trust its quality, but it shouldn't stop us from using tools to help us get bzr changes in PPA or in archive?
[07:31] <lool> jppiiroinen: I sense a disturbance in the force?  :-)
[07:32] <lool> oh wait, this doesn't go in the image
[07:32] <lool> haha can't wait til I tell asac about that
[07:32] <oSoMoN> hey gusch, would you have a moment to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/unskip-test/+merge/185806 ?
[07:33] <lool> what a great loophole in reviewing everything which affects touch  ;-)
[07:33] <lool> jppiiroinen: and let me second the +1 on the changes; look awesome
[07:35] <jppiiroinen> lool: \o/
[07:36]  * popey hugs jppiiroinen
[07:37] <Mirv> lool: PPA builds are enabled, just not archive landing. and since the bzr branch is fully prepared, archive uploads can be done directly. so it's pretty smooth.
[07:37] <Mirv> one could argue automated PPA builds are risky as well, but that's how it is currently
[07:37] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[07:38] <Mirv> JP love day
[07:40] <jppiiroinen> \o/  http://satwcomic.com/deer-hunt
[07:40] <lool> Mirv: ah so qtcreator is part of a landing and was copied from PPA to archive by $person
[07:43] <Mirv> lool: it's slight more complicated, the automated PPA builds have mangled version numbers, but the bzr branch is uploadable directly so I got dholbach to sponsor it for me, then marked it as having been uploaded
[07:43] <Mirv> lool: but yes it's autolanding but not auto-dailyreleasing
[08:01] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved
[08:06] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks!
[10:01] <wellsb> Is there a qml date picker component available, yet?  Like that which was available for meego
[10:02] <wellsb> Ahh, this  could work http://<IP_ADDRESS>/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.Pickers.Picker/
[10:11] <wellsb> timp: Any updates on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDatePickers
[10:18] <wellsb> zsombi: ^  Any ETA on when this will land?
[10:20] <zsombi> wellsb: there are few things that needs to be there first: 1) CI needs to work again, 2) I don't have tyet the UI confirmed from UX for the components, 3) I got other more urgent things to do first... so expect at least 2 more weeks to get the components...
[10:22] <zsombi> wellsb: I have the Picker in the SDK trunk, the Dialer is proposed for landing, and then there are the 4 layouts, TimePicker and the Date-, Week- and MontPickers, which AFAIK shoudl be integrated in OSK
[10:31] <daker> nik90: nik90_ can you please test this http://ubuntuone.com/6fCGAjnnU1qsuEG31cw6L5 before i push an update ?
[10:44] <popey> daker: sure
[10:44] <popey> daker: can you bump the version?
[10:44] <popey> it's gone down from 0.3 to 0.2 since last night
[10:44] <daker> popey: you don't have to, that's the same package you have tested yesterday...
[10:44] <popey> oh okay
[10:44] <popey> \o/
[10:45] <daker> popey: just wanted to be sure to get his input
[10:45] <popey> ok. cool!
[10:47] <m-b-o> dpm: Hi, I've updated the MP from yesterday. If you've time, give it a look...
[10:54] <GuidoPallemans> m-b-o: MP?
[10:54] <dpm> Merge Proposal
[10:56] <dpm> m-b-o, I'll try to have a look, unless someone else beats me to it, I probably won't get to it until the evening
[10:59] <om26er> gusch, hello, Sir
[10:59] <m-b-o> dpm: no problem
[11:01] <gusch> om26er: hi
[11:29] <daker> dholbach: can you please test this http://ubuntuone.com/6fCGAjnnU1qsuEG31cw6L5 before i push an update ?
[11:30] <daker> dholbach: just the click package part
[11:34] <popey> daker: no errors, just a warning
[11:35] <daker> popey: what kind of warning ?
[11:35] <popey>     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': "
[11:35] <popey> oh, thats an error, not warning
[11:37] <daker> ok popey can you test this on the phone http://ubuntuone.com/6Gh4sSTJ6An2uxkgbccXTn
[11:37] <daker> it's v 0.4
[11:38] <popey> k
[11:46] <gonzalo> Hello! I've some dependencies issues when trying to test QML with qmltestrunner, is anyone using it with U. 13.04?
[11:53] <dholbach> not sure if you saw it earlier, but
[11:53] <dholbach> daker, can you change 'architecture' to 'armhf' in the manifest?
[11:53] <dholbach> daker, apart from that it looks good to me
[11:55] <dholbach> brb
[11:55] <daker> dholbach: ok
[11:55] <popey> daker: works on the device.
[11:56] <daker> popey: ok, then i'll fix what dholbach said then i'll push an update
[11:56] <popey> cool, ping me when you have and I'll check and approve
[12:11] <daker> ok
[12:16] <nik90|Laptop> Is there any QML Api to trigger haptic or audio feedback?
[12:16] <nik90|Laptop> I need them to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1227194
[12:22] <gonzalo> How can I install the 'QtTest' module, I installed the Ubuntu SDK from it's PPA, but `make check` fails with project templates.
[12:24] <gonzalo> (Yet `make autopilot` tests are successful.)
[12:25] <popey> Mirv: do you know the answer to nik90|Laptop's question?
[12:26] <Mirv> popey: nik90|Laptop: possibly kalikiana might know, I (vaguely) remember him doing something around it. it would be via qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin but the plugins-to-that-QML-plugin situation might be lacking.
[12:28] <nik90|Laptop> Mirv: Are you referring to https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/feedback/+merge/183467 ?
[12:28] <nik90|Laptop> Mirv: I noticed that the MP depended on https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu-sensors/+bug/1214404 to be fixed.
[12:29] <nik90|Laptop> kalikiana ^^ :)
[12:29] <Chocanto> popey: Hey ! Do you know who is part of the sdk team ?
[12:30] <nik90|Laptop> Chocanto: Kaleo, timp, zsombi are some
[12:30] <popey> Chocanto: yeah, what you after?
[12:30] <Chocanto> ahah okok thanks ^^
[12:31] <Chocanto> popey: For the same thing, the file plugin
[12:31] <Chocanto> popey: It starts to become an urgent need, so I have to see with the team ^^
[12:32] <nik90|Laptop> Mirv: do the feature freeze and other freeze deadline apply to getting a package to qtubuntu-sensors?
[12:33] <kalikiana> nik90|Laptop: Mirv I need review there. you can help by finding somebody who can. it's a little tricky since both depend on each other
[12:33] <kalikiana> and then we had some bricked devices which didn't help
[12:36] <Mirv> nik90|Laptop: yeah, those look familiar ;)
[12:36] <nik90|Laptop> Mirv: For the haptic feedback we know what's holding it up. Is there a way to trigger audible feedback? like playing a tone?
[12:36] <nik90|Laptop> in qml
[12:39] <Mirv> nik90|Laptop: kalikiana could probably answer that ^
[12:39] <Mirv> I haven't tested it, I just discussed it at some point when it was wondered where to put the plugin
[12:40] <nik90|Laptop> kalikiana: ^^
[12:43] <kalikiana> nik90|Laptop: it can probably added to the feedback plugin backend; I didn't look at it since everyone was interested in vibrations only
[12:44] <kalikiana> I can check what's needed for that with platform guys
[12:44] <nik90|Laptop> kalikiana: Would it possible to use what the dialer app does? Since it also needs audible notifcations like the ringer?
[12:44] <nik90|Laptop> kalikiana: thnx
[12:47] <kalikiana> nik90|Laptop: I think that's what seb is working on? I talked to him a while ago about using feedback for the phone app - but again nobody specifically asked about tone so given time constraints I didn't investigate that
[12:48] <nik90|Laptop> kalikiana: okay
[12:50] <gonzalo> Hi people, I'm trying to run unit tests with some Ubuntu SDK app templates. I also tried with the ubuntu-calculator-app but qmltestrunner reports 'QtTest' module as missing. How can I install it?
[12:53] <kalikiana> gonzalo: try installing qtdeclarative5-test-plugin
[13:25] <GuidoPallemans> anyone else sometimes has the error usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Page.qml:155: TypeError: Cannot read property 'actionManager' of null
[13:25] <GuidoPallemans> ?
[14:52] <om26er> renato__, hey. I moved our meeting back a few minutes, seems boiko is at another meeting during that time. is that fine ?
[14:57] <renato__> om26er, ok
[14:57] <renato__> np
[15:23] <alvarova> hi there1
[15:23] <alvarova> Im newbie working with QT Creator...!!!
[15:28] <M3tabaron> any advice on beginning to learn programming towards ubuntu mobile?
[15:30] <alvarova> Somebody can tell me about where Can I find some tutorial to get android apps working under ubuntu sdk?
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> alvarova: you can't
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> alvarova: you can get qt apps to work under android, but not android apps on ubuntu
[15:37] <alvarova> I was reading about it, and I found something: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt5ForAndroidBuilding
[15:38] <alvarova> actually here tells about how can we create android apps under Qt editor. But, Im searching for a tutorial, something like step by step.
[15:55] <Chocanto> timp : ping
[16:42] <WebbyIT> popey, franxesk is a new contributor \o/ Can you check with him if he has signed CLA, please? :)
[18:20] <daker> hey popey
[18:29] <daker> nik90: nik90_ ping
[18:59] <nik90_> daker: pong
[18:59] <daker> nik90_: can you please test this http://ubuntuone.com/6vsuCtn6jpldhKsltqFutV
[18:59] <daker> ?
[19:00] <nik90_> daker: sry but I do not know how to overwrite an existing install
[19:00] <nik90_> daker: so I do not know if installing this click package will overwrite the existing one
[19:01] <daker> nik90_: ok, can you just check the click package format ? if you know how to do that
[19:01] <nik90_> dholbach isnt onlinne either to help.
[19:01] <nik90_> daker: that is a script that i do not have
[19:01] <nik90_> daker: popey has it, but isnt available
[19:01] <daker> nik90_: ok no problem :)
[19:01] <daker> i'll wait for popey
[19:01] <nik90_> daker: sry,
[19:02] <nik90_> daker: but seeing the screenshots posted by popey, I noticed that you fixed the layout issues
[19:02] <daker> nik90_: yes i fixed that
[19:03] <daker> nik90_: the problem was that i was runing the app from a binary app
[19:03] <nik90_> daker: ah
[19:03] <nik90_> daker: using a main.cpp?
[19:03] <daker> yes
[19:03] <nik90_> daker: :)
[19:03] <daker> i refactored the c++ code to make an .so file
[19:03] <daker> the run the app with qmlscene
[19:04] <daker> then*
[19:04] <nik90_> daker: I am glad that you fixed it :)
[19:04] <daker> yes :)
[19:04] <nik90_> daker: were you able to debug the issue regarding many stations not having any audio output?
[19:04] <nik90_> with the error message popey posted yesterday?
[19:05] <daker> popey were able to play some of them
[19:05] <nik90_> daker: okay
[19:05] <nik90_> daker: It is annoying to reflash my phone everytime I want to overwrite an existing click package
[19:06] <nik90_> daker: otherwise I would test
[19:06] <daker> popey knows how to do that
[19:06] <nik90_> daker: I cant flash now since I am working on the clock app
[19:06] <daker> nik90_: no worries
[19:29] <popey> daker: wassup?
[19:29] <daker> popey: can you test that please http://ubuntuone.com/6vsuCtn6jpldhKsltqFutV
[19:29] <daker> v0.5 for you
[19:29] <popey> sure thing
[19:35] <popey>     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': "
[19:35] <popey> beuno: what is the fix for ^^?
[19:36] <daker> the only binary present on the package is compiled for armhf
[19:42] <wellsb> Updates to ESV Bible.  Should be in click store soon.  https://plus.google.com/110587021591787005452/posts/XFtKiKfWaiM
[19:43] <popey> dpkg-deb: error: `/home/alan/Downloads/com.wellsb.esv-bible_<IP_ADDRESS>_unknown.click' is not a debian format archive
[19:44] <popey> -rw-r--r--   1 alan alan     0 Sep 19 20:43 com.wellsb.esv-bible_<IP_ADDRESS>_unknown.click
[19:44] <popey> ooer
[19:44] <popey> wellsb: thats a zero byte file coming from the store. did it upload okay?
[19:46] <popey> mhall119: can you download esv bible from the store? I get a zero byte file every time
[19:46] <iBelieve> wellsb, that's awesome about ESV Bible, congratulations!
[19:48] <popey> wellsb: have sent a mail internally to see if we can fix it. seems a problem with the site
[19:48] <mhall119> popey: the click store has a 0 byte .click package
[19:48] <popey> the store says it's bigger
[19:48] <mhall119> the .click package you can download is 0 bytes, regardless of what the store says
[19:48] <popey> 30.1 KB
[20:10] <WebbyIT> But is in development mail client app?
[20:15] <popey> WebbyIT: not currently, but we'll kickstart it soon
[20:16] <WebbyIT> popey, nice to hear
[20:46] <daker> popey: anyway i'll push an update
[20:46] <popey> ok
[20:58] <daker> popey: thanks for your help!!
[20:58] <popey> np
[21:06] <daker> popey:     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': " means that it wont approved until this is fixed ? right ?
[21:25] <popey> yes daker, it's an error, I'm not supposed to publish, unless beuno says otherwise
[21:25] <daker> i have specified the architecture field on the manifest.json
[21:33] <wellsb> popey: I resubmitted 41.  Hopefully it's not zero byte this time
[21:36] <daker> it appear that there is no docs explaning what lint_control_architecture_valid_contents do
[21:36] <daker> popey: can you share your script with me ?
[21:36] <daker> if that's possible
[22:03] <popey> daker: unfortunately I can't
[22:04] <daker> popey: i know :)
[22:22] <daker> popey: can you look at the manifest file on the package and see what's the value of the architecture field ?
[22:32] <popey> sure
[22:33] <popey>     "architecture": "armhf",
[23:21] <daker> :(
[23:55] <imnichol> Is there a tool somewhere for creating a qml extension library?
[23:57] <imnichol> *tutorial
[23:57] <imnichol> I'm reading the qt project documentation and it's just not clicking,


[10:47] <Moon_> hello
[18:14] <studio-user196> anybody out there??
[18:15] <studio-user196> Im new  in ubuntu studio


[11:43] <Xsss4hell> hi
[11:43] <Xsss4hell> I've got a problem regarding to the Realtime Kernel .17
[11:43] <Xsss4hell> All windows are white what can I do?
[11:44] <Xsss4hell> compiz runs super slowly
[11:44] <Xsss4hell> everything is slow
[11:44] <Xsss4hell> but with the generic kernel everything is fine
[11:45] <Xsss4hell> 2.6.24-17-generic (ok) -- 2.6.24-17-rt (nok)


[07:08] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[14:31] <mhall119> paultag: can I just say, you rock
[14:32]  * mhall119 has enjoyed watching the nook rooting live via Facebook
[14:32] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[14:32] <paultag> mhall119: thanks! It's really fun!
[14:32] <mhall119> so have you ported Ubuntu to it yet?
[14:32] <paultag> mhall119: I'll be posting my first partition hack, it should be trivial to re-root for anyone else
[14:32] <paultag> mhall119: hehehe, not yet :)
[14:33] <paultag> mhall119: I need to write some tools for it, I got it so I can keep up with code reviews and stuff
[14:33] <mhall119> I demo'd one of those at B&N on Saturday, just about bought one
[14:33] <paultag> mhall119: they're pretty goddamn snappy
[14:33] <mhall119> and small too
[14:33] <mhall119> and a good price
[14:33] <paultag> mhall119: they "accedentially" left all the original images and burn-in tools on the drive
[14:33] <mhall119> heh
[14:34] <paultag> mhall119: so I'm fairly stoked. Can't wait to get it integreated with some cool things
[14:34] <paultag> they even left a web browser on there :)
[20:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: did you break loco.u.c
[20:43] <YoBoY> working here
[20:43] <czajkowski> YoBoY: click on teams
[20:44] <YoBoY> czajkowski: yes, and same response, it's slow, like always, but it's working
[20:47] <czajkowski> ok
[20:47] <czajkowski> how odd so


[13:59] <mattgriffin> Daviey: hiya. can you send me and stewart the url for the hangout?
[13:59]  * stewart introduces self: Stewart Smith, Director of Software Architecture at Percona.
[13:59]  * mattgriffin is Matt Griffin, Director of Product Management at Percona
[14:00] <Daviey> mattgriffin: i think you have it?
[14:00] <Daviey> waiitng to start..
[14:01] <Daviey> starting...
[14:02] <jamespage> can people see the stream yet?
[14:02] <mattgriffin> Daviey: don't think we're on the air yet
[14:03] <stewart> i can see everyone at least :)
[14:03]  * stewart notes everybody has cool lines of text and Logos except me
[14:04] <Daviey> we are online..
[14:05] <stewart> or this morning if you're me :)
[14:09] <jamespage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[14:13] <Daviey> (If anyone else thinks they should be in he inner circle, please shout)
[14:15]  * med_ is just watching
[14:30] <Daviey> stewart: can you remind me of your LP id?
[14:30] <stewart> Daviey, stewart
[14:30] <Daviey> ta
[14:30] <Daviey> (thanks was harder than i expected)
[14:32] <stewart> :)
[14:51] <roaksoax> Link: http://blog.clusterlabs.org/
[14:59] <med_> thanks percona.
[14:59] <stewart> np. thanks all
[15:03] <Daviey> Who is here for the mongdo session?
[15:04] <Daviey> rbasak: joining us?
[15:05] <rbasak> Yes
[15:06] <rbasak> Having trouble getting the untypeable link across to my other machine
[15:07] <Daviey> rbasak: you could use a url shortenr :)
[15:08] <jamespage> med_, still here?
[15:08] <med_> yep
[15:09] <med_> I see starting soon
[15:09] <jamespage> refersh
[15:09] <Daviey> started
[15:09] <rbasak> Apparently lower third doesn't work on ARM :(
[15:10] <Daviey> Anyone else want to be in the inner circle?
[15:10] <med_> live now
[15:10] <med_> Daviey, Hyde Park?
[15:10] <Daviey> med_: ^ ?
[15:10] <Daviey> med_: Yes, i was busy hunting deer.
[15:11] <yolanda> happybase is also supported by ceilometer
[15:12] <Daviey> yolanda: interesting
[15:15] <zyga-uds> loud typing
[15:17] <zyga-uds> loud typing
[15:17] <zyga-uds> loud typing
[15:20] <Daviey> zyga: noted, thanks
[15:21] <med_> j a m e s p a g e   can't efficiently mute and talk and take notes at the same time... so we tolerate the typing noise.
[15:22] <med_> youtube just froze
[15:22] <med_> and back
[15:23]  * zyga didn't indent to say 'loud typing' three times, the irc web widget is borken,
[15:23] <zyga> I was actually interested in the mongo patches, where are they?
[15:24] <rbasak> zyga: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu/saucy/mongodb/merge-2.4.3/files/head:/debian/patches/ for James' latest work in progress
[15:24] <jamespage> any questions from channel
[15:24] <med_> does MRE limit who can submit that?
[15:25] <rbasak> zyga: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/mongodb/saucy/files/head:/debian/patches/ for the latest in Saucy
[15:25] <med_> ie does it require someone have uploader status?
[15:26] <yolanda> hbase, ceilometer team chose mongo because was a customer requirement only
[15:26] <med_> not sure how much lag between stream and live... seems pretty laggy based on the comments I'm hearing
[15:26] <yolanda> but they said in ODS ceilometer shouldn't be tied to that
[15:28] <zul> MIR as well
[15:29] <Daviey> med_: you rock
[15:29] <jamespage> thanks folks
[15:29] <med_> nod.
[15:30]  * med_ is just now hearing jamespage comments on MRE answers
[15:30] <jamespage> med_, :-)
[15:30]  * med_ would be happy to help
[15:31] <med_> very lagged I gather
[15:31] <med_> Note to self: if you want real time participation, join the hangout.
[15:32] <Daviey> med_: you were invited. :-)
[15:32] <med_> nod.  I just didn't think I had anything to add to this one.... and I didn't really.
[16:00] <SpamapS> o/
[16:01]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <SpamapS> video died for me :-/
[16:02] <SpamapS> ah came back
[16:04] <Daviey> Hey!
[16:04] <Daviey> Who else wants to be on te inner circle?
[16:05] <Daviey> SpamapS: ?
[16:05] <SpamapS> Daviey: no I'm just watching. Don't have anything to add.
[16:05] <Daviey> Not started yet.. still finding participants
[16:05] <Daviey> ogasawara: Want to join the inner circle?
[16:06] <med_> not live yet
[16:06] <ogasawara> Daviey: I've got another meeting which is about to conflict, so was hoping to watch from the sidelines for now
[16:06] <ogasawara> Daviey: but will be happy to jump in later if needed
[16:07] <ogasawara> Daviey: if you need a kernel rep, lemme see if I can get apw
[16:07] <jamespage> hey channel
[16:07] <jamespage> ping me with any questions for the inner circle
[16:07] <med_> live now
[16:08] <jamespage> or feel free to request to join if you want to be more involved
[16:10] <pitti> don't we already have user namespaces with logind now?
[16:10] <pitti> i. e. sessions already run in a cgroup in saucy
[16:11] <jamespage> pitti, did stgraber answer that question? (stream lag)
[16:12] <pitti> not yet here
[16:12] <jamespage> ok
[16:12] <ogasawara> Daviey: I've got rtg monitoring the session if you've got kernel topics needing discussed
[16:13] <Daviey> ogasawara: I *think* it will be ok, but if he wants to join the inner circle he is more than welcome :)
[16:13] <rtg_> Daviey, I think I'm fine just listening
[16:15] <adam_g> feed just died for me
[16:16] <med_> still alive here
[16:41]  * dannf joins late from another session and searches for the word "arm" in the notes
[16:41] <dannf> any plans for arm/qemu?
[16:42] <dannf> er, qemu-kvm
[16:42] <med_> dannf, you can probably join the hangout if you want
[16:42] <Daviey> Did we cover openvswitch integration to kvm, xen and lxc?
[16:43] <dannf> med_: good point - though i'm not sure how?
[16:43] <med_> see message in another server
[16:43]  * Daviey pm'd dannf
[16:44] <dannf> thx; waiting till serge is done talking before i switch over
[16:44] <dannf> cortex-a15
[16:44]  * dannf switches
[16:45]  * med_ measures lag
[16:47] <med_> did anyone play with OpenDaylight yet? The code is downloadable....
[16:47] <Daviey> med_: not yet.
[16:47] <med_> not sure how it plays with lxc/libvirt
[16:47] <med_> or --if-- it plays or will play
[16:48] <Daviey> med_: Last week, i couldn't find the source - just the gerrit.. Where is the source?
[16:48] <med_> Daviey, the source is there too.
[16:48] <med_> same place.
[16:48] <Daviey> med_: it ws 404/403/500 error last week i thought...
[16:49] <Daviey> i guess they have fixed it
[16:50] <med_> no, it worked fine with the right credentials
[16:50] <med_> and then someone else posted in an etherpad the write URL rbasak may have.
[16:50] <Daviey> med_: it's authenticated source tree?
[16:50] <Daviey> sounds like semi-open source :)
[16:51] <med_> there was both auth and non-auth
[16:51] <med_> but my checkout is auth:
[16:51] <med_>         url = ssh://medberry@git.opendaylight.org:29418/controller.git
[16:54] <med_> <humor virtualization> what about lguest and the puppies?   http://lguest.ozlabs.org/  </humor virtualization>
[16:55] <med_> is dannf the lxc upstream for debian arm?
[16:55] <dannf> no
[17:51] <Daviey> Anyone here for the Interlock session yet?
[17:58] <ogasawara> Daviey: I'm here, just ping me the hangout when you're ready for me to jump in
[18:05] <Daviey> smoser: are you joining?
[18:07] <zul> feel free to start :)
[18:07] <adam_g> im having trouble joining
[18:07] <smoser> o/
[18:08] <jamespage> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-servercloud-s-interlock
[18:08] <rbasak> adam_g: it started late. It's live now.
[18:08] <smoser> * HWE Kernel ramifications on UCA testing
[18:08] <smoser> * ISO default kernels for 12.04.2 server and cloud-images
[18:10] <rbasak> How about the samba4 question? That's more for the desktop team, but I don't think they're present?
[18:11] <rbasak> (though I'm still not sure why we want samba4 default anyway - it's packaged, and on server people install the package they want directly themselves)
[18:12] <rbasak> ARM servers are moving to UEFI, so we'll need MAAS support for that. But as long as d-i works with it, I don't think there will be any issue. I assume secure boot won't be used for now.
[18:13] <rbasak> I'm told that UEFI support is working well with precise-updates on at least one server vendor's hardware.
[18:18] <Daviey> rbasak: ok will ask
[18:19] <med_> UEFI is pretty standard on laptops now.... (not that that means anything w/r/t servers but generally is good for installation story in general)
[18:19] <apw> Daviey, people are still reporting data loss and lack of integity control in btrfs
[18:19] <apw> Daviey, also performance has been poor, plus the space reporting is basically useless
[18:19] <jdstrand> good stuff :)
[18:19] <med_> apw, so you love it?
[18:20] <med_> :)
[18:20] <apw> med_, it is my very favourite
[18:20] <med_> so ceph folk seem to like it but don't use it in real deployments
[18:21] <apw> med_, well with cephs they work on the assumption that if one of their nodes implodes, they can just rebuild it
[18:21] <med_> nod
[18:23] <jamespage> med_, apw: default ceph filesystem is XFS for good reason!
[18:23] <med_> jamespage, nod++
[18:23] <apw> jamespage, heh good :)
[18:25] <med_> El Torito boot image... I heard L32 boot image the first two times....
[18:25]  * med_ needs subtitles
[18:29] <med_> arm64 definitely concerns server
[18:30] <cjwatson> I almost forgot to mention it, oops :)
[18:30] <med_> are there only h/w sims or also s/w siims for Arm64? Ie, can we scale the testing
[18:30] <cjwatson> how do you mean?
[18:30] <cjwatson> I mean what distinction are you drawing there
[18:30] <cjwatson> analogous to qemu-system vs. qemu-user?
[18:30] <med_> well, hardware doesn't scale well to many hands.
[18:31] <rbasak> Did we resolve our questions about the backported enablement stack?
[18:31] <med_> cjwatson, I didn't think there was much arm64 silicon (if any)
[18:31] <cjwatson> we have no hardware yet but some hardware simulators of various levels of performance
[18:31] <cjwatson> qemu is, I hear, expected to give us something in Q3 or so
[18:31] <med_> cjwatson, thanks, that's what I wanted to know. much appreciated.
[18:39] <rtg_> apw, why don't we carry some of these non-binary-blob dkms packages in the ubuntu directory ? That solves the backport issue.
[18:40] <apw> rtg_, a good question.  they have often not wanted to be restricted by our process in updateing them.  I tend to agree that the ones for things like openvswitch which are now completely critical maybe should be spo
[18:41] <s3hh> Will kernel team be willing to consider enabling CONFIG_USER_NS, at least if we add a sysctl to disable unprivileged use of CLONE_NEWUSER by default?
[18:41] <rtg_> apw, those packages are subject to SRU anyways I would think.
[18:43] <rbasak> apw: size of the cloud images?
[18:44] <rbasak> apw: eg. a MAAS deployment needs to download a dozen images maybe, so it multiplies out
[18:44] <rbasak> And then each update of upstream images has to pull them again
[18:44] <med_> It's speed, time, cost.
[18:48]  * med_ dropped due to b/w issues
[18:48]  * rbasak had issues too
[18:48] <rbasak> I got it back though
[18:49] <med_> well, youtube is a lot less demanding than the hangout
[18:49] <Daviey> apw: did you see s3hh question?
[18:49] <med_> and just lost youtube
[18:49] <Daviey> I couldn't easily field that in the session.
[18:50] <med_> or session died
[18:50] <med_> looks like session died
[18:50] <rbasak> Security as an afterthought? Sounds like a number of upstream packages :)
[18:50] <med_> and back...
[18:52] <Daviey> any security questions
[18:52] <Daviey> ?
[18:52] <s3hh> rtg_: ^ ?
[18:52] <s3hh> Daviey: well, there's the qeustion of how apparmor stacking support is looking now, after uds
[18:52] <rtg_> s3hh, looking...
[18:53] <Daviey> s3hh: stacking?
[18:53] <s3hh> Daviey: apparmor profile stacking,
[18:53] <Daviey> ah ok
[18:53] <rbasak> I found privacy extensions odd on my IPv6 server.
[18:53] <s3hh> i.e. load a policy whil still confine dunder another
[18:53] <rbasak> I can't remember the detail - confusing netstat, etc.
[18:54] <rtg_> s3hh, looks like USER_NS depends indirectly on XFS_FS = n
[18:54] <s3hh> rtg_: yeah, obviously only if that is fixed,
[18:54] <s3hh> that, plus a 2-line aufs patch are the only *tchnical* blockers right now
[18:54] <med_> youtube is dropping out, I'll replay later.
[18:54] <s3hh> (test build is in ppa:serge-hallyn/userns-natty working great for saucy)
[18:55] <rtg_> s3hh, send some patches on the k-team list ?
[18:55] <rbasak> Right now, IPv6 on my server is broken and I haven't got round to looking at it. Something to do with the addressing and configuration. It'd be nice if it Just Worked appropiately for server, without extra configuration necessary to make a server behave like a server, IYSWIM.
[18:55] <s3hh> rtg_: once eric gets the xfs uploaded, there'll be no patches.  it'll just be enabling CONFIG_USER_NS,
[18:55] <rbasak> (eg. I can ssh to it find, so ssh is listening on the right socket, but outbound connections don't work)
[18:55] <rbasak> fine
[18:55] <rtg_> s3hh, sounds like thats no problem for saucy
[18:56] <s3hh> rtg_: ok, thaks.  yes, once eric sends the xfs patches for inclusion, there'll be no patches at all.
[18:57] <jamespage> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/grizzly_versions.html
[18:57] <jamespage> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/folsom_versions.html


[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[09:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D
[10:47] <mzanetti> popey: rpadovani: http://notyetthere.org/data/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.machines-vs-machines_0.1.4_armhf.click
[11:23] <justCarakas> oohhh :D
[11:23] <justCarakas> what changed ?
[11:26] <justCarakas> anyway Im downloading it, mzanetti Im loving this game, I already finished everything with 3 stars in easy and am now working my way trough normal
[11:27] <mzanetti> justCarakas: small tweaks all over... really just polishing, no major changes any more
[11:28] <mzanetti> justCarakas: ah, too bad you finished it already, this package actually adds some treat when you collect all the stars
[11:28] <mzanetti> justCarakas: but you'll get it in medium eventually :D
[11:30] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hey, added the images. I like them. my favorite is the medium one
[11:31] <mzanetti> because of the broken enemies around. think it would look good to add them to the hard one too?
[11:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: also check out the small tweaks during gameplay (radius animation, transparent popup)
[11:47] <Justcarakasphone> mzanetti version 0.1.4 wont start here
[11:47] <mzanetti> Justcarakasphone: just to make sure, did you refresh the apps scope after installing it?
[11:48] <Justcarakasphone> i did, i even rebooted
[11:48] <mzanetti> meh
[11:48] <Justcarakasphone> i get the splash for 2 sec and than it closes
[11:48] <mzanetti> Justcarakasphone: anything intersting in ~/.cache/upstart/application-click-com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.machines-vs-machines_machines.log?
[11:49] <Justcarakasphone> Ill look
[11:52] <Justcarakasphone> Mzanetti error opening shm
[11:52] <mzanetti> ignore that (if its from lttng
[11:52] <mzanetti> )
[11:52] <mzanetti> Justcarakasphone: ^
[11:54] <qwebirc233537> also a lot of invallid errors for qml scene
[11:54] <qwebirc233537> invallid optiin i meen
[11:54] <mzanetti> that's more interesting, can you paste it somewhere?
[11:54] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, good to hear you like them :) I'll check the new stuff in a bit
[11:55] <qwebirc233537> Ill try to ssh in my phone after supper
[11:56] <qwebirc233537> cause on the phone i cant copy in the terminal app
[11:56] <mzanetti> doesn't the log viewer app support pasting?
[11:56] <mzanetti> but sure, after supper is fine
[12:00] <qwebirc233537> Http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793763
[12:00] <mzanetti> qwebirc233537: now I'm puzzled how this every worked, and why it works for some :D
[12:00] <mzanetti> will fix
[12:02] <qwebirc233537> thx
[12:02] <qwebirc233537> So what was in the changelog :)
[12:03] <mzanetti> qwebirc233537: uploaded fixed package
[12:03] <mzanetti> still at http://notyetthere.org/data/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.machines-vs-machines_0.1.4_armhf.click
[12:04] <mivoligo> mzanetti: semitransparent popup for towers is nice
[12:05] <mzanetti> :)
[12:06] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I think now the inner shadow is not necessary there
[12:07] <mzanetti> inner shadow?
[12:07] <qwebirc233537> i cant download it, did the url stay the same ?
[12:07] <mzanetti> yes
[12:07] <mivoligo> mzanetti: it's UbuntuShape, right?
[12:07] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yeah. ah, I see
[12:08] <mzanetti> ok, can remove it I guess
[12:08] <qwebirc233537> now it is working
[12:08] <mzanetti> maybe it was still uploading.... should be good now
[12:10] <mivoligo> mzanetti: clicking on the backgrounds of modal dialogs does not work :(
[12:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: seriously?
[12:10] <mzanetti> aw man :D
[12:10] <mivoligo> :D maybe it's just me
[12:11] <qwebirc233537> the game now boots
[12:16] <justCarakas> so what changed since version 0.1.2 mzanetti :)
[12:17] <mzanetti> justCarakas: some tweaks in the levels/towers/enemies. some fixes in the ui..
[12:17] <mzanetti> mivoligo: should be fixed now
[12:17] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I broke it during the last performance optimizations
[12:17] <justCarakas> I know :) I was qwebirc233537 :)
[12:17] <mzanetti> justCarakas: right that too ^
[12:18] <mzanetti> I figured that
[12:18] <justCarakas> still looking for something decent to use as IRC on the phone
[12:18] <mzanetti> why are you asking again then? :D
[12:18] <justCarakas> must have missed the changes :)
[12:18] <mivoligo> mzanetti: does it have an effect on performance?
[12:18] <justCarakas> small screen, lots of join and quit messages :)
[12:19] <mzanetti> mivoligo: no... I just changed how the pages are loaded
[12:19] <mivoligo> ah ok
[12:19] <mzanetti> on that way I forgot to reconnect the backgroundclick stuff
[12:19] <justCarakas> you only get the all stars treat once ? or for every dificulty level ?
[12:20] <mzanetti> for every difficulty level
[12:20] <justCarakas> ok :) looking foreward to is :)
[12:20] <justCarakas> the last level is nice
[12:20] <mzanetti> hehe
[12:20] <justCarakas> at first I tought meh, so easy, but than I saw the number of waves :D
[12:20] <mzanetti> :D
[12:20] <justCarakas> I really love the laser towers
[12:20] <mzanetti> justCarakas: did you actually have to destroy existing towers to free up space for more powerful ones?
[12:21] <mzanetti> yeah, the laser is my favorite too
[12:21] <justCarakas> never had to do that :)
[12:21] <mzanetti> might happen on medium or hard :)
[12:21] <justCarakas> ok :) well I finished till level 14 with 3 stars and I only used the first 2 towers and the laser so far
[12:22] <justCarakas> havent even bothered to buy the other ones :p
[12:22] <justCarakas> I did however notice, if I remember correclty that if you finish you have stars left
[12:22] <justCarakas> would be nice if you could do something with that
[12:23] <mivoligo> mzanetti: can you experiment with animation of modal dialog appearing? I mean can the dark background appear instantly without animation? Or can it slide from the bottom?
[12:24] <mzanetti> mivoligo: it can, sure... but means breaking it again... I'll see if I have the motivation to do that...
[12:24] <justCarakas> :p
[12:24] <mivoligo> mzanetti: sure, no hurry :P
[12:24] <justCarakas> I think the game should be installed by default when its finished :D
[12:25] <justCarakas> its by far the most awesome game so far
[12:25] <mzanetti> :)
[12:25] <mzanetti> thanks :)
[12:25] <mivoligo> :)
[12:26] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I've just clicked on the snowman to upgrade it :D
[12:26] <mzanetti> haha
[12:27] <mzanetti> rofl, actually
[12:28] <justCarakas> does that work ? mivoligo ?
[12:28] <justCarakas> :D
[12:28] <justCarakas> mzanetti: I really like the level designs btw :)
[12:29] <justCarakas> very beautifull
[12:29] <mivoligo> justCarakas: yes, it shoots with carrots :
[12:29] <justCarakas> btw, what happens if you finish it all ?
[12:29] <justCarakas> ah, thats new :) when I passed by the snowman it did nothing
[12:29] <mzanetti> justCarakas: all design related kudos go to mivoligo
[12:29] <justCarakas> wel in that case mivoligo, keep up the good work :)
[12:30] <mivoligo> justCarakas: you have to click on a secret pixel in order to snowman work
[12:30] <mzanetti> lol
[12:30] <mzanetti> actually I thought about such things
[12:30] <dholbach> beuno, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1412777
[12:30] <mzanetti> but that would destroy levels again... so not touching it any more :D
[12:30] <mivoligo> justCarakas: seriously though, it would be nice easter egg
[12:31] <beuno> dholbach, thanks. I think fgallina has it in his queue
[12:31] <dholbach> ok cool
[12:32] <om26er> nerochiaro, Hi!
[12:32] <om26er> nerochiaro, do you know what caused the gallery-app regression ?
[12:33] <justCarakas> ah :D
[12:33] <justCarakas> you know I actually had tried it :D
[12:33] <mivoligo> justCarakas: :D :D
[12:33] <justCarakas> in the past :)
[12:33] <justCarakas> before this conversation :D
[12:34] <mivoligo> justCarakas: noticed other "easter eggs" in graphics?
[12:35] <justCarakas> no, but I played a lot of the levels in version 0.1.0
[12:35] <justCarakas> dunno if they where already in there at that moment
[12:37] <mivoligo> justCarakas: I'll just say there are references to some operating systems ;)
[12:37] <om26er> artmello, Hi!
[12:37] <artmello> om26er: hello
[12:37] <om26er> artmello, I was told we can skip the automated test for silo14. So can you please add test cases for all bug fixes to the TestPlan ?
[12:38] <om26er> I see there is a test for .gif fix.
[12:38] <artmello> om26er: sure, wil ldo that
[12:39] <justCarakas> oh yeas :D I saw the evil droids :)
[12:39] <nerochiaro> om26er: yes, it was a fix in thumbnailer
[12:40] <nerochiaro> om26er: i just explained it on the bug. however the whole thing highlighted a problem in gallery itself, which should not use the thumbnailer in the first place for the pictures that fail
[12:40] <nerochiaro> om26er: so i fixed that in gallery
[12:40] <nerochiaro> om26er: artmello is reviewing the fix
[12:40] <mivoligo> justCarakas: there's couple more ;)
[12:41] <om26er> nerochiaro, hmm, ok. I am testing a gallery-app silo already. I guess your fix will go in a different silo.
[12:41] <nerochiaro> om26er: which silo are you testing ?
[12:41] <justCarakas> hmm Ill try to look out for them mivoligo
[12:42] <om26er> nerochiaro, 14
[12:43] <mivoligo> justCarakas: one might be to small to notice on the phone, I'm not sure
[12:44] <nerochiaro> om26er: we are going to request bfiller to create a new silo today. there are two MR that artmello is reviewing that fix RTM bugs
[12:45] <justCarakas> mivoligo: the snakes with the screens ?
[12:47] <mivoligo> justCarakas: no, something in the background
[13:14] <om26er> artmello, when you update the TestPlan please let me know, so that we can continue with the silo.
[13:41] <artmello> om26er: tets plan is updated
[13:42] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan_, zbenjamin did you have a chance to review it?
[14:47] <popey> ahayzen: thank you!
[14:47] <ahayzen> popey, no problem :) can you add me and victor to the team?
[14:47] <popey> oh yes!
[14:47] <popey> ahayzen: we should come up with some work items for the blueprint I think?
[14:47] <ahayzen> popey, i assume we're just gonna create another series and run off that?
[14:48] <popey> yes
[14:48] <popey> did we come up with a silly remix/reboot name?
[14:48] <ahayzen> popey, yeah if you could do that...with the weeks in there as well like we had for music
[14:48] <popey> yeah
[14:48] <ahayzen> popey, yeah i've been trying to think of a weather related one
[14:49] <popey> ok, added you to the team
[14:50] <ahayzen> popey, cool thanks
[14:56] <ahayzen> popey, do we have a target date/timeline for this as well?
[14:57] <popey> well of course, asap :)
[14:57] <ahayzen> popey, hint i work best under pressure ;)
[14:57]  * ahayzen hides
[14:57] <popey> haha
[14:57] <popey> Is it done yet?
[14:57] <ahayzen> popey, nearly
[15:00] <popey> biab
[15:21] <AkivaAvraham> bzoltan_, double ping
[15:28] <dholbach> dpm, we used to have https://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ - do you remember what it was about?
[15:28] <dholbach> dpm, where should it go now?
[15:28] <dholbach> dpm, just /apps?
[15:29] <dholbach> or just developer.u.c so both apps and scopes are introduced to new developers?
[15:30] <dpm> dholbach, I'd point it to https://developer.ubuntu.com/start - however, do we need it?
[15:30] <dholbach> dpm, somebody mentioned the broken link - it was added to community.u.c some time ago
[15:30] <dpm> dholbach, I'd rather remove it from community.u.c
[15:30] <dholbach> ok
[15:31] <dpm> thanks dholbach
[15:31] <dholbach> we broke quite a number of links over time
[15:32] <dpm> yeah, I think we can do better this time, as we can control our redirects without IS intervention and have self-fixable internal links
[15:32] <dpm> still, I think I'd throw away that particular URL
[16:58] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!
[16:58] <justCarakas2> gnight dholbach
[16:59] <dholbach> bye justCarakas2 :)
[17:00] <ahayzen> Hey, is there anyway of conditionally hide/disable a tab?
[17:39] <popey> ahayzen: common/Walkthrough/Slide2.qml:            text: i18n.tr("Plug your phone into your Ubuntu computer and drag and drop files staight across.")
[17:40] <popey> staight is a typo
[17:40] <ahayzen> uhoh
[17:40] <ahayzen> and two ands
[17:40] <ahayzen> but meh thats english being silly
[17:40] <popey> yeah
[17:40] <popey> I would "and drag & drop"
[17:40] <popey> also, the last slide is a bit squiffy too, it implies you can only download _purchased_ music
[17:41] <ahayzen> i'll patch it up...hmm i may do that as well
[17:41] <ahayzen> popey, don't ask me we're just implementing what design gave us :P
[17:41] <popey> sure :)
[17:41] <popey> #blamedesign
[17:41] <ahayzen> popey, can you check the new now playing page 'fits' on krillin nicely?
[17:42] <ahayzen> popey, also...check out the new now playing page ... from the designs Sam made a while back
[17:42] <ahayzen> :)
[17:42] <popey> ok
[18:04] <popey> ahayzen: I'm tempted to fork the music app and make an audio book reader just renaming all the screens :)
[18:04] <ahayzen> popey, heh
[18:05] <ahayzen> popey, as in the walkthrough screens?
[18:05] <popey> no, the whole thing
[18:05] <ahayzen> ah
[18:05] <popey> i want an app to listen to audio books
[18:05] <ahayzen> like others wanted todo for podcasts
[18:05] <popey> but dont want the files getting all jumbled up with my music
[18:06] <ahayzen> ah damn after waiting ages to upload to lp i forgot to update the .pot :/ argggg
[18:06] <popey> doh
[18:09] <ahayzen> popey, and i have a typo ... spelling typo \o/ ...anyway https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/type-walkthrough/+merge/247057 ... not sure if victor will want to check as well
[18:09] <popey> haha
[18:14] <sturmflut-work> Is there anybody besides pete-wood who I can query about the connectivity-api?
[18:16] <DanChapman> sturmflut-work: Wellark is probably a good person to talk to about it
[18:49] <AkivaAvraham> Ah shucks, missed the questions
[18:50] <AkivaAvraham> zbenjamin, bzoltan_ did you get a chance to look at the plugin? (sorry for the multiple pings)
[18:50] <AkivaAvraham> justCarakas, o/
[18:50] <rpadovani> SturmFlut, hey, I opened a couple of bugs I would like to see fixed in the flood game, but they are little things, I hope it's ok for you :-) The game itself works great, thanks for the port :-)
[18:50] <rpadovani> *porting
[18:51] <justCarakas> hey AkivaAvraham
[18:51] <AkivaAvraham> o/
[18:51] <justCarakas> \o
[18:51] <justCarakas> ah back to thinkpad ?
[18:51] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, what have you been working on lately?
[18:51] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, yah; the other is my reddit handle.
[18:52] <justCarakas> a web app, but not for ubuntu touch :) I work also for a small online radio and I'm making a tool for the playlists :)
[18:52] <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat
[18:52] <justCarakas> and I also have got some websites lined up
[18:52] <justCarakas> so it looks like kamisado won't launch soon :)
[18:52] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, can you make websites with pure html5?
[18:53] <justCarakas> you can if you want :)
[18:53]  * akiva-thinkpad is not a web developer.
[18:54] <justCarakas> but usually we add css to style things :) and javascript to make things more dynamic :) and if you want to be able to easely manage the content we use an other language to generate the html5 :)
[18:54] <justCarakas> I use php for that :)
[18:54] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[18:54] <justCarakas> but you can perfectly make static sites in html5 :)
[18:55] <justCarakas> if you make a webapp that is acutally a html5 site :)
[18:55] <justCarakas> anyway, you are most likely way much better at QML and C++ than me :)
[19:20] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, heh. We'll have to make an app together some time.
[19:35] <justCarakas> good idea, but what kind of app akiva-thinkpad
[19:36] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, mmmmm what are your interests?
[19:36] <akiva-thinkpad> If we have a same interest; we can make an app on that
[19:37] <justCarakas> hmm, good question :D I like games :D
[19:38] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, strategy and or tactical games?
[19:38] <justCarakas> strategy
[19:38] <akiva-thinkpad> Same
[19:38] <justCarakas> :D
[19:38] <akiva-thinkpad> okay start naming off your favourite strategy games, I'll do the same
[19:38] <akiva-thinkpad> if we match, we'll make it
[19:38] <justCarakas> :D
[19:38] <justCarakas> risk
[19:38] <akiva-thinkpad> transittycoon, world of tanks, Dominion Card Game, Axis and Allies
[19:38] <justCarakas> stragego
[19:39] <justCarakas> isnt axis and allies somehting like stratego ?
[19:39] <akiva-thinkpad> heard of both of those; risk is pretty good. Could do it. Axis and Allies is advanced risk
[19:39] <justCarakas> :)
[19:39] <justCarakas> I ment risk btw :p
[19:39] <akiva-thinkpad> yah there is an open source version called triplea, but is java and bloated as all hell
[19:40] <justCarakas> java ? I don't like coffee :D
[19:40] <akiva-thinkpad> ive heard of stratego, never played it.
[19:40] <akiva-thinkpad> bleck
[19:40] <akiva-thinkpad> descent the board game
[19:40] <akiva-thinkpad> love that one
[19:40] <akiva-thinkpad> Scrabble is decent.
[19:40] <justCarakas> true :D
[19:41] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, settlers of cataan is nice, but boring after awhile.
[19:41] <justCarakas> I think multi player games are still rather hard on the phone :)
[19:41] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, indeed, but board games are not too bad considering you can take your time
[19:42] <justCarakas> true
[19:42] <justCarakas> but if you have to wait too long its also not nice
[19:42] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, true. We could make a mode for that.
[19:43] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, question is though; what game will we make. We could design our own.
[19:43] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, ever play dominion btw?
[19:43] <justCarakas> no, but I have heard of it
[19:44] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, got time now? We could play a game
[19:44] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, what else do you like btw?
[19:44] <justCarakas> what I also like is RoboRaly
[19:44] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting; never heard of that
[19:44] <justCarakas> http://actionpointgames.tumblr.com/post/40007602808/roborally
[19:45] <akiva-thinkpad> I wish to try it
[19:45] <justCarakas> http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/robo_demo/robodemo.asp
[19:46] <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat
[19:47] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, can you actually play this game online?
[19:48] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, have you ever had a game you wanted to develop yourself?
[19:48] <akiva-thinkpad> Or a story that you wanted to write?
[19:52] <justCarakas> I really liked zelda
[19:52] <justCarakas> and pokemon, but only because you could walk around in a world
[19:52] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, ohhh... interesting... that sounds like a lot of fun
[19:52] <justCarakas> so if I would make something I would like something like that
[19:53] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, ever tried pokemmo?
[19:53] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, zelda though.... I'd think I'd have fun doing something like that.
[19:54] <popey> ahayzen: not sure about that "connect to your ubuntu computer" thing either... you can connect it to any computer :)
[19:56] <justCarakas> cool :D
[19:56] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, now the zelda that I can imagine doing, is not zelda64.
[19:57] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, the easiest one to do would be a rogue like.
[19:57] <justCarakas> maybe we can make a zelda/pokemon like game about ubuntu going up agains the evil m$ and apple
[19:57] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, heh; funny enough, I had a game like that in mind too.
[19:57] <justCarakas> :D
[19:57] <akiva-thinkpad> a mmo, where you could choose to be MS, Apple, or Linux, and yah
[19:58] <akiva-thinkpad> that would be tough though.
[20:01] <justCarakas> :D
[20:01] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, So do you want to make something turn based, or active?
[20:01] <justCarakas> maybe just MS and Apple as evil guys and chosing between 3 linux distros ?
[20:01] <justCarakas> I dunno
[20:02] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, did you like any rpg's or roguelikes?
[20:02] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, also when you played zelda; which one? A link to the past?
[20:04] <justCarakas> the one with the train :D but also an older one, usualy in a rom emulator :), I prefere RPG
[20:05] <akiva-thinkpad> the one with the train?!?
[20:05] <justCarakas> spirit tracks
[20:05]  * akiva-thinkpad thinks...
[20:05] <akiva-thinkpad> do you mean final fantasy 6?
[20:05] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[20:05] <justCarakas> nope
[20:06] <akiva-thinkpad> spirit tracks... waht?
[20:06] <akiva-thinkpad> never played this zelda
[20:06] <justCarakas> http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/xAYNy6ZBrXXvmtev0W0aGPUWIrewwhh_
[20:06] <akiva-thinkpad> or even heard of it!
[20:06] <akiva-thinkpad> what is this rubbish; trains and zelda ?!
[20:06] <akiva-thinkpad> what's next; Zelda an Guns and Lazers?
[20:08] <justCarakas> :p
[20:08] <SturmFlut> rpadovani: Ciao! Thanks for your bug reports, I'll probably fix most of them during the remaining week.
[20:11] <justCarakas> akiva-thinkpad: what I liked the most about both zelda and pokemon was that you could alk around free, and play the game the way I liked it
[20:11] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, okay so that is the first requirement.
[20:11] <akiva-thinkpad> Lets create a google doc
[20:14] <akiva-thinkpad> sec...
[20:15] <akiva-thinkpad> justCarakas, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oX0tHrNL1i-e9sEKYPKeDoLE2o7NUQ5OpKOmL7Q9nF4/edit#gid=0
[20:53] <ahayzen> popey, i know i thought that as well...
[21:04] <rpadovani> kalikiana, hello :-) Any update on bug #1320885?
[21:10] <kalikiana> rpadovani: it's an odd bug… on the desktop it just works for me, but you said for you it doesn't… so where is the real problem…
[21:11] <kalikiana> rpadovani: just to be sure, do you still see the problem on the desktop?
[21:12] <rpadovani> kalikiana, actually, on vivid updated I'm not able to reproduce it
[21:12] <kalikiana> oh
[21:12] <rpadovani> but still present on rtm
[21:12] <rpadovani> kalikiana, sorry, I didn't verify for some time, if in vivid is fixed for me it's ok
[21:12] <kalikiana> hmmm I could double-check with an rtm uitk on vivid
[21:13] <kalikiana> gimme a minute
[21:14] <kalikiana> works
[21:14] <kalikiana> rpadovani: well, one thing is clear, it's not the uitk
[21:14] <rpadovani> oh
[21:15] <kalikiana> I just ran the rtm and vivid uitk's on the same vivid system, and both work
[21:16] <justCarakas> mivoligo: is that a pinguin in that iglo window ?
[21:16] <rpadovani> on a nexus 4 with rtm #12 it is still present...
[21:18] <kalikiana> it might be a bug in qt
[21:19] <kalikiana> unfortunately that's the opposite of easy to test on the same system
[21:19] <mivoligo> justCarakas: bingo! :D
[21:20] <rpadovani> I see... thanks kalikiana, at least on vivid is fixed :-)
[21:20] <mivoligo> justCarakas: one more to go ;)
[21:48] <nik90> kalikiana: hey, can we chalk the issue up to qt and close the bug?
[21:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: so we're almost there :)
[21:53] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yes!
[21:53] <mzanetti> trying to solve the last few levels atm
[21:53] <mivoligo> :)
[21:53] <mzanetti> mivoligo: this is where we're at: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/01/20/plasma-desktopVk2448.png
[21:54] <mzanetti> have 3 stars at all the others
[21:54] <mivoligo> mzanetti: all the towers unlocked?
[21:54] <mzanetti> yes
[21:56] <nik90> mzanetti, mivoligo: I tried out v0.2.1 few days back ... and it looks amazing! The last time I checked it out was several months ago and since then it has come a long way. Looking forward to seeing it (and even buying) in the stores!
[21:56] <mivoligo> mzanetti: as I don't have a phone to try, I wonder if the sliders on sound settings page are not to close to each other
[21:56] <mivoligo> nik90: thanks :)
[21:57] <mzanetti> mivoligo: no, it's ok
[21:57] <mzanetti> thanks nik90
[21:58] <kalikiana> nik90: well my impression would be, it's been fixed in vivid
[21:58] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, good :)
[21:58] <kalikiana> nik90: I could mark it Invalid on the bug
[21:59] <nik90> kalikiana: I meant we know its not the UITK which solves it, but some other component in the vivid images..so I suppose it can be marked invalid.
[21:59] <mivoligo> mzanetti: just noticed the size of the picture you linked to :D
[21:59] <mzanetti> :D
[22:00] <mzanetti> 2880x1800
[22:01] <mivoligo> what screen is that?
[22:01] <mzanetti> MacBook Pro
[22:02] <mivoligo> running Linux I hope :P
[22:04] <mzanetti> sure
[22:10] <mivoligo> mzanetti: how's the game working on the phone now? Is it fullscreen?
[22:10] <mzanetti> yes
[22:10] <mivoligo> nice
[22:12] <mzanetti> mivoligo: while you're wiating...
[22:13] <mzanetti> as it's currently not supported to lock an app to landscape I've added this when in portrait: http://i.imgur.com/R9nHBIr.png
[22:13] <mzanetti> care to paint a nice picture that shows the pone with some rotate arrow or something?
[22:14] <mzanetti> once the platform supports locking landscape this would simply not appear any more
[22:15] <mivoligo> mzanetti: seriously it is not supported? :/
[22:15] <mzanetti> no, not yet. will come with the shellRotation branches
[22:15] <mzanetti> which will hopefully land soon
[22:16] <mivoligo> the game must look silly in portrait mode :D
[22:16] <mzanetti> yeah... it does :D
[22:17] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, I'll do something tomorrow probably but maybe we can use Ubuntu default icon for that?
[22:18] <mivoligo> I think I've seen it on some screenshots


 Tested also todays ISO (22.12.22) and confirm this worked fine for me.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Rebooted, verified PipeWire is now in use, Chrome appears stable for now. Looks like a success!)
[17:33] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
 Nice job mate! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> \o/)
[17:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks :)
 Should pulseaudio-utils not also be removed? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks :))
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> No - pipewire-pulse acts as somewhat of a Pulseaudio server and those commands should still work (I know pactl does at least).
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Just tested it - paplay also works with PipeWire.
 ok fine ..looks good tested one further machine - again all good and all was removed
[18:12] <teward> arraybolt3[m]: ask SImon to kick your LXD container
[18:12] <teward> apparently I no longer have access to the system.
[18:13] <teward> tsimonq2: ^ fix the DO node so my SSH works again
[18:14] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: Thanks! Get well soon!
 "No - pipewire-pulse acts as..." <- `pactl info` should indicate which audio backend is in use.
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> True. pactl is part of pulseaudio-utils.


 @arunpyasi @RikMills @philipz
 How many and which members are part of the Ubuntu DDE, Kubuntu and Xubuntu teams?
 I started a list today, where you can edit it and put the names of the team members of each flavor and remix. The goal of this list is that it can gather a first data regarding the development of the flavors and Remixes. You can edit it and send it back here updated if you want:
 https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/9ad5172b/Ubuntu_FlavoursRemixes_Teams_List.txt


[00:47] <KB1JWQ> He's missed.
[02:09] <Pici> jeeze
[02:48] <rww> What. on. Earth. Did someone really just say in -ot that gravity is just a theory and think that two balls not attracting each other is a counterexample to it. o.O
[02:49] <Jordan_U> rww: I think you've been troll'd.
[02:50] <rww> I hope so, but I don't think so :(
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> rww: well, it is just a theory, but as for the latter I suspect people really are that stupid.
[02:58] <rww> Although, on reflection, I have seen people in #ubuntu-offtopic who believe in perpetual motion.
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> I was arguing with some idiot about that just a few days ago.
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> possibly outside of #ubuntu* though
[03:02] <rww> what the platypus just happened in -ot
[03:02] <rww> ah, n0tix happened in -ot. I thought that nick sounded familiar.
[03:03] <Jordan_U> I thought floodbot was supposed to prevent that type of thing.
[03:03] <rww> only #ubuntu and #kubuntu are floodbotted
[03:03] <Jordan_U> Ahh.
[03:04] <Jordan_U> 19:04 < Exploiter> HI, GUYS, looking for tools like SENDBLASTER ( mass email sender ) for ubuntu, any suggestion or idea??
[03:05] <Jordan_U> Might be a reasonable request, but with a nick like "Exploiter"...
[06:05] <rww> "this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Is P=NP?"
[06:05] <rww> oh lawd.
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> lol
[07:12] <h00k> rww: "Nobody knows" -- would that be acceptable
[07:12] <h00k> or "maybe"
[07:12] <rww> h00k: I suspect it's one of those ones that matches against /.*/
[07:17] <Jordan_U> h00k: I thought it was proven false recently.
[07:17] <Jordan_U> h00k: Clearly you are a bot.
[07:17] <h00k> Jordan_U: no, just not really proven at all ;)
[12:11] <bazhang> nash__ was asking earlier where to download OS X for free, so I'd take his questions with a grain of salt
[12:11] <LjL> heh
[12:16] <LjL> i say troll
[15:59] <Pici> whoa
[16:18] <jrib> ah ubottu how you bring back memories of 56k
[16:19] <jrib> tonyyarusso: note I have (had?) an exemption on kunwon1 I think because of kunwon* spamming
[16:20] <jrib> looks like that was already removed
[16:25] <tonyyarusso> jrib: Are you trying to tell me you think kunwon1 is a different person than kunwon*?
[16:26] <jrib> tonyyarusso: no, I just didn't want my ban exemption to get in the way of your ban.  I have no idea if kunwon1 was responsible for kunwon* but kunwon1 wasn't spamming on february 1st and replied in pm so I placed the exemption for that reason
[16:27] <jrib> I could have phrased my original statement better :)
[16:27] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[16:29] <tonyyarusso> Well, I'm assuming they're the same for the moment - we'll see if that's wrong I guess.
[17:24] <xabrx_> hi, guys. can you please tell me the reason why Bshellz is banned from #ubuntu?
[17:25] <maco> repeated abuse by its members, and the owners being unwilling to fix it
[17:26] <maco> iirc, there's a lack of consistent naming for the same user so banning individual users just means they log off and back on and suddenly have a new host and ban evade
[17:26] <maco> (whereas like freenode's webchat shows the ip address in the host so you can ban a user for more than just "until they log out")
[17:27] <xabrx_> ok, I understand. So there's not going to be a remove of the ban any time soon then?
[17:27] <maco> genii-around: having problems?
[17:27] <maco> no, the recommendation is to find another shell provider
[17:27] <xabrx_> ok, thanks maco
[17:27] <maco> np
[17:28] <maco> necreo: same question as xabrx_ regarding bshellz ban?
[17:28] <xabrx_> probably
[17:29] <xabrx_> I saw him at bshellz =)
[17:29] <maco> copy-pasta:
[17:29] <maco> repeated abuse by its members, and the owners being unwilling to fix it
[17:29] <maco> iirc, there's a lack of consistent naming for the same user so banning individual users just means they log off and back on and suddenly have a new host and ban evade
[17:29] <maco> (whereas like freenode's webchat shows the ip address in the host so you can ban a user for more than just "until they log out")
[17:34] <tonyyarusso> xabrx_, necreo: You can of course avoid this by registering for a !cloak from Freenode.
[17:35] <maco> tonyyarusso: oh right! thanks for having your brain turned on :)
[17:37] <genii-around> maco: Yes. Konversation, Quassel, and XChat all want to segfault on me whenever I open certain pages in Firefox :(
[17:38] <maco> weird
[17:38] <genii-around> And extremely annoying
[17:39] <xabrx_> ok, thanks guys
[18:04] <necreo> tonyyarusso: I got a cloak
[18:04] <necreo> But the shell provider cloak overtakes it each time
[18:05] <necreo> When I start issi I see a message from freenode after I identified myself like: your (hidden) host is now ...unaffiliated..
[18:05] <necreo> And right after that it changes the cloak back to #bshellz one :(
[18:06] <necreo> I really would appreciate a solution
[18:06] <necreo> Maybe I should try #freenode
[18:07] <KB1JWQ> necreo: Right.
[18:07] <KB1JWQ> Gateway cloaks will override unaffiliated cloaks.
[18:07] <necreo> Indeed :(
[18:10]  * tonyyarusso didn't know that
[18:18] <Pici> Heads up on archive.canonical.com being unresponsive, Canonical is looking into it.
[18:38] <Tm_T> Pici: been rather unresponsive for 12 hours or so (:
[18:38] <Tm_T> unresponsive/slow
[19:28] <necreo> #freenode told me to ask you (#ubuntu-ops) for a ban exemption for my IRC account
[19:28] <necreo> Is that possible?
[19:30] <maco> i can try
[19:30] <maco> necreo: see if you can join now
[19:31] <necreo> maco: I'm afraid not : "[Freenode] ==> Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned)"
[19:32] <maco> hrmph
[19:32] <Pici> maco: What command did you try?
[19:32] <maco> /mode +e neocreo!*@*
[19:32] <maco> do
[19:32] <maco> i spelled it wrong!
[19:32] <maco> necreo: try again
[19:33] <necreo> Thank you!
[19:33] <maco> yay
[19:34] <necreo> :)) Finally now I can ask my question about libnotify-bin
[19:34] <necreo> Thanks a lot again!
[19:34] <maco> np
[20:42] <rww> maco: As far as I'm aware, we're supposed to be telling bshellz users to use another shell service, not exempting them.
[20:42] <rww> And setting +e's based on nick is not a good idea :\
[20:46] <maco> rww: i did say use another shell at first... then freenode people told them to tell us to +e so...
[20:47] <maco> their hosts are non-specific though. should i change it to nick/ident combo?
[20:47] <LjL> ident alone should do, it's running identd
[20:47] <rww> say "no" next time and point them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ShellPolicy
[20:48] <LjL> what is the reason bshellz is banned anyway, still not clear to me
[20:49] <rww> LjL: per IRCC, persistant abuse/use for ban-evading, and not having contactable staff to deal with such.
[20:49] <rww> personally, considering that we misspelled the ban for months and didn't notice, I'm not convinced, but w/e. :\
[20:50] <LjL> me neither
[20:51] <LjL> personally i think i'll set exemptions if a user seems legitimate to me, if that's not what i'm "supposed" to do i'll have the IRCC tell me that
[20:52] <rww> in which case, yeah, +e *!ident@host is the way to go
[20:53] <topyli> LjL: maybe you should let the ircc know though, and perhaps even make the case for unbanning them
[20:53] <rww> or +e $a:accountname if they have one, I guess.
[20:53] <ikonia> LjL: remove the ban
[20:54] <ikonia> just dump the network wide ban on bzshellz
[20:54] <tsimpson> there is an issue with setting +e, bans don't work
[20:54] <LjL> topyli: or maybe the fact that i've accepted to add this garbage freenode Webchat to the bots even after Mibbit was banned with no reason makes me feel entitled to just set a damned exempt on the bots
[20:54] <LjL> tsimpson: they do if you set the +e using the bots
[20:54] <rww> tsimpson: s/bans/extbans/?
[20:54] <tsimpson> rww: no
[20:54] <ikonia> LjL: just remove the ban
[20:54] <rww> oh, sorry. misparse.
[20:55] <tsimpson> I mean setting +e $:account
[20:55] <tsimpson> that means, unless someone checks and removes it, you can't ban them if they do become abusive
[20:55] <rww> well yeah, which is why I'm not a fan of exempting. but if people are planning to do so anyway, I'd rather they not base it on nick ;)
[20:58] <LjL> rww: again what's wrong with setting it with the bots?
[20:58] <rww> LjL: I wasn't specifically talking about the bots. The bots (theoretically) remove them. Operators tend to not.
[20:59] <rww> and there goes my oldest #ubuntu ban in BT :)
[20:59] <LjL> right, so just set exempt with the bots, that's why i put an exempt command there
[20:59] <ikonia> LjL: there should now be no ban in #ubuntu for the bzshell host mask
[20:59] <LjL> ikonia: maybe you should let the ircc know though
[21:00] <ikonia> I'll mail them
[21:00] <ikonia> and watch it black hole
[21:03] <ikonia> the council have been informed
[21:04] <ikonia> no point having a policy if no-one follows it
[21:04] <ikonia> may as well just remove it
[21:04] <LjL> the policy isn't that you can't set an exempt if someone looks sane to you
[21:04] <LjL> for god's sake don't stick to rules like there was glue
[21:05] <LjL> i'm sure exempts have been set for people here before, me included
[21:05] <ikonia> actually it was to tell them to contact their shell host and ask them to update the contact details or set a usage policy that was in line with the ubuntu requirements
[21:05] <LjL> when i was on mibbit before the bots exempted it for example - and same with other people
[21:05] <ikonia> I fully agree you can set excempts
[21:05] <LjL> ikonia: what's wrong with their contact details?
[21:05] <ikonia> they don't exist and they don't have an abuse policy and you can ban one account and sign up for another one 1 second later
[21:06] <ikonia> as was happening
[21:06] <rww> LjL: iirc, the contention is that they don't actually respond ever.
[21:06] <ikonia> feeding time
[21:06] <LjL> ikonia: they don't exist, or they don't respond? not the same thing
[21:06] <ikonia> both
[21:06] <LjL> http://www.bshellz.net/contact
[21:07] <ikonia> no official contacts, and the unofficial ones don't respond beyond "we dont care, we don't want to police it"
[21:07] <LjL> and there rules at http://www.bshellz.net/register
[21:07] <ikonia> anyway, feeding time
[21:07] <ikonia> yes, but they don't want to police them
[21:53] <topyli> so since the bshellz ban was removed, did anyone remove bshellz from the policy wiki page?
[21:53]  * topyli goes to look
[21:54] <topyli> no
[21:55] <LjL> i have a feeling it'll be readded anyway
[21:57] <topyli> why? should it be banned or not?
[21:57] <LjL> that depends on how much abuse you're willing to put up with
[21:57] <LjL> all i was really arguing for, though, was to feel free to add exempt (ideally with the bots) if someone comes forwards and asks niely
[21:57] <LjL> nicely*
[21:58] <LjL> (which to me is just a matter of common sense and good heartedness and not something that should be strictly regulated in the first place)
[21:59] <LjL> fwiw, i have had an indirect confirmation that the bshellz ops are probably not very responsive
[21:59] <LjL> about that, perhaps it would be a good idea to add the specific reasons why a shell is banned on the page itself? is there a reason why that was not done?
[22:00] <topyli> perhaps
[22:00] <rww> rww, creator of controversy :(
[22:01] <LjL> rww: nah this has been a pet peeve of mine for some time
[22:02] <topyli> i'll just watch tv and see how things stand tomorrow
[22:33] <elky> It's not like there's anyone reading the logs of here who is banned who will now go make use of the knowledge schooled to them by the past two hours of discussion.
[22:34] <elky> So yeah, it'll be back.
[23:07] <derp> Guest30213 is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* me
[23:07] <derp> spammer.
[23:07] <derp> [18:04] <Guest30213> Install gentoo.
[23:07] <derp> [18:06] <derp> y
[23:08] <ikonia> I'll look at it
[23:08] <ikonia> thanks
[23:09] <derp> np
[23:26] <Pici> I think we should be telling regulars in #ubuntu to stop pouncing on people with !ot when they just say 'hi' for the first time in #ubuntu. Thoughts?
[23:27] <ikonia> it was a little "quick" but I don't think that's the norm (from what I see)
[23:27] <popey> +1
[23:27] <Flannel> Pici: There's been a lot of premature factoiding recently, yes.  For a variety of subjects
[23:28] <Flannel> gentle nudging in private has always worked well!
[23:28] <Flannel> (except when it doesn't)
[23:28] <ikonia> wow, poor bo is confused
[23:29] <Pici> Yeah, and its not the first time I've seen that.
[23:29] <ikonia> I don't see it very often, hence why I didn't know it had become a problem
[23:29] <LjL> similarly to how some people (and i'm not at all referring to -ot here) give !u whenever there's so much as single innocuous abbreviation
[23:30] <LjL> i think it's not the first time i see Logan doing it
[23:30] <LjL> not sure though
[23:30] <Pici> Flannel: thanks, sometimes I'm just at a lack of words for things on IRC.
[23:30] <ikonia> oh really, I didn't see it as a regular thing, let alone a regular thing off one user
[23:30] <Pici> LjL: You're right, its not the first time that hes done it, but hes not the only person who does.
[23:31] <LjL> guess not
[23:31] <LjL> another thing for that matter is this "join #pitivi", while i'm at it
[23:31] <LjL> i mean, as a suggestion is fine
[23:31] <LjL> but why *absolutely insist* on people asking in another channel when something is about an Ubuntu package?
[23:32] <LjL> that's another thing that is also not the first time i see, and am not entirely comfortable with
[23:32] <ikonia> no-ones insisting he asks in there
[23:32] <ikonia> however as no-one knows the asnwer in #ubuntu, it's worth him asking
[23:32] <LjL> err
[23:33] <LjL> i see insisting
[23:33] <Pici> I usually do something like "You may want to try asking in #bash too"
[23:33] <Cydd> hi
[23:33] <LjL> Pici: yeah
[23:33] <Cydd> who banned me from #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:33] <ikonia> Cydd: you have an issue you'd like to disuuss
[23:33] <Cydd> and why do you hate m
[23:33] <Cydd> e
[23:33] <ikonia> Cydd: I'll have a look now
[23:34] <ikonia> one moment please.
[23:34] <LjL> Cydd: i don't see a ban on you
[23:34] <LjL> i suppose you've tried rejoining?
[23:34] <Cydd> :s
[23:34] <Cydd> okay it works now
[23:34] <ikonia> Cydd: where you using the nickname cydd ?
[23:34] <Cydd> yes
[23:34] <LjL> he was
[23:34] <ikonia> ? I thought there was no ban ?
[23:34] <tsimpson> there wan't
[23:35] <Cydd> i dont know im confusede
[23:35] <LjL> i do suspect he's referring to his kick
[23:35] <Cydd> oh a kick
[23:35] <ikonia> oh, I didn't even see him kicked
[23:35] <Pici> It was a remove.
[23:38] <Pricey> KB1JWQ: suck up *hugs*
[23:41] <Pici> So, I'm just curious if anyone has any suggestions on how to approach those who are overfactoiding.  Preferably in-channel, so that others know that its not okay.
[23:41] <Jordan_U> This obvioulsy needs a factoid.
[23:41] <Pici> Jordan_U: . . .
[23:41] <ikonia> ironic, a facotoid pointing a a guide on how to use the bot on the wiki ?
[23:41] <ikonia> \/window 4
[23:41] <Pici> But not in a way that makes it look like we're going after someone.
[23:42] <LjL> Pici: if i could be bothered myself, i'd just say like "come on, he just said hello, no need for a factoid, is there?", but that does run the risk of starting an offtopic argument in the channel i guess
[23:43] <LjL> it can also be a matter of factoid choice. could give !hello instead of !ot
[23:43] <LjL> !hello
[23:43] <LjL> or maybe !hi or something
[23:43] <LjL> !hi
[23:43] <LjL> or maybe both were removed, actually i think i wanted them removed :P
[23:43] <Pici> yah
[23:43] <LjL> they were abused
[23:43] <LjL> but they could be moderately useful when people seemed like going the "so, what's up everyone" route
[23:44] <LjL> less harsh than !ot anyway
[23:44] <LjL> still, i think i've seen !ot given once to a simple "hi everyone" - that's entirely overboard and no factoid at all is required, clearly
[23:44] <Pici> People were joining and doing it, and others were doing it whenever someone joined.  Its rather silly to have the bot say hi for you when you could just do it yourself.
[23:45] <Pici> LjL: Thats sort of what happened earlier, and what sparked my suggestion here.
[23:45] <LjL> Pici: earlier it was a "what's up", though, which in my mind is something in between "hi" (which is a greeting not asking for an answer) and "how are you doing" (which is a question). not sure how native speakers see it
[23:46] <LjL> to me it's a pointless phrase, but :P
[23:46] <LjL> seems like i'm splitting hair in two but words do count when you're watching for the reaction of 1500 people to something...
[23:51] <LjL> Pici: not an idea i'm entirely committed to, but maybe as a middle point between !hi and !ot, a !sup = Hi! Looking for conversation? Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:52] <LjL> i'm not trying to say there has to be a factoid, i appreciate the point of view that people should just stop overusing them
[23:52] <LjL> but