[00:47] <xubuntu711> I got a big problem with my GRUB can anyone help, please?
[01:49] <gostumpy> Hello!
[01:49] <gostumpy> I am having difficulty installing drivers for a rosewill rnx-n150pc wireless card
[01:50] <gostumpy> I found a guide online, but sudo apt-get install gcc build-essential isn't working
[01:50] <gostumpy> and I think that's a fairly important part of the process
[01:55] <GridCube> gostumpy, is is
[01:55] <GridCube> it is
[01:55] <GridCube> gostumpy, how is not working?
[01:56] <gostumpy> lol
[01:56] <gostumpy> thanks for responding, just figure dout my stupid error
[01:56] <gostumpy> apparently it's installed already
[01:56] <gostumpy> or something
[01:56] <gostumpy> sudo make wasn't working, but I just realized I should be in the driver folder, not the folder containing the config file
[01:57] <gostumpy> stupid mistakes usually cause a lot of headache, LOL
[01:57] <GridCube> indeed
[01:57] <gostumpy> hopefully this will wokr
[02:01] <gostumpy> Ok, hit a roadblock
[02:02] <gostumpy> I am supposed to type sudo ifconfig ra0 inet up
[02:02] <gostumpy> and I get "ra0: error while getting interfce flags: No such device
[02:02] <GridCube> gostumpy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677136
[02:03] <GridCube> gostumpy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1814054
[02:07] <gostumpy> ok, trying to add to blacklist.conf and it won't let me save, saying "Can't open file to write"
[02:07] <gostumpy> thinking it's a permissions problem, but ?
[02:08] <gostumpy> guh such a linux newb.. what is the command in terminal to add to a file?
[02:13] <gostumpy> going to try restarting first :p
[02:15] <gostumpy> still get this "Can't open file to write" when I try to save blacklist.conf :(
[02:18] <ToZ> gostumpy, you need elevated privledges to write to that file. Try with "gksudo gedit blacklist.conf" (no quotes from command line)
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Let's use mousepad or leafpad in Xubuntu
[02:20] <gostumpy> aha!
[02:20] <gostumpy> worked!
[02:20] <gostumpy> thanks :)
[02:20] <charlie-tca> gedit is gnome, and not installed by default in Xubuntu
[02:20] <ToZ> oops, forgot which channel i was in.
[02:21] <gostumpy> yeah, googling all my error messages is working :)
[02:22] <gostumpy> still not connecting to my wireless
[02:24] <gostumpy> rebooting worked!
[02:24] <gostumpy> it can finally see the wireless networks available
[02:26] <gostumpy> YES! worked :)
[02:27] <gostumpy> lol
[02:27] <gostumpy> 267 updates available
[02:27] <gostumpy> brb, going to connect on that comp :)
[02:33] <GoStumpy> Hurray
[02:33] <GridCube> :D
[02:33] <GridCube> it worked?!
[02:34] <GoStumpy> Yup!  Restarted and it detected wireless networks :)
[02:34] <GoStumpy> downloading the 267 updates now, LOL
[02:34] <GridCube> :D
[02:34] <GridCube> awesome :D i like helping people
[02:34] <GoStumpy> Breath some life into this machine my Dad gave me
[02:34] <GoStumpy> P4 2.4ghz, 1.5gb ram
[02:34] <GoStumpy> he bought a 27" IMAC
[02:36] <GridCube> thats pretty impresive
[02:37] <GridCube> D: 27" I mac? D:
[02:40] <madnick> My friend got one too, webpages look so silly in that resolution :P
[02:45] <GoStumpy> My main computer has a 22" widescreen, now I'm on a 17" normal monitor... Feel like I'm missing 6"
[02:45] <GoStumpy> Ohhh, thats what she said
[04:21] <JjC2011> !Time
[05:44] <Shirakawasuna> hmm. To get global menus working in xfce, do I need indicator-applet-appmenu?
[05:45] <Shirakawasuna> it has a ton of dependencies
[05:48] <X-Hunter> how do i install a downloaded exefile
[05:48] <X-Hunter> itkeeps trying to usearchive manager
[05:51] <Shirakawasuna> lol, impatient!
[06:24] <bkerensa> .
[07:39] <richard_iii> hey a question about bash.  I'm coming from ubuntu, and i press tab twice, and bash types in the filename 4 me.  why is that not working 4 me in xubuntu 11.04 TIA!
[07:53] <Sysi> richard_iii: it should work on xubuntu too
[08:10] <richard_iii> i figured it out.  in ubuntu, tab cycles through the possible "completions" and in xubuntu it doesn't.  Whew!!
[09:44] <fyret> good day to everyone!
[09:44] <knome> hey
[09:47] <fyret> I'd need some troubleshooting - I just installed 11.04 on an 10'' netbook yesterday, worked fine after install
[09:47] <fyret> now however: desktop picture seems to be covered by the same picture (originally I have it centered, now it is stretched, and I can#t seem to be able to change it)
[09:48] <knome> fyret, did you right-click the desktop and select "desktop settings" - you have a "style" -dropdown box there
[09:48] <fyret> and the frames of open windows lack the minimize, hide, exit symbols
[09:49] <fyret> by rifhtclicking desktop I get only "change desktop background"
[09:49] <fyret> (sorry typo) - and I can#t change anything there
[09:50] <knome> just to make sure - are you sure you are running the xubuntu session
[09:50] <fyret> I am (I tried xfce though, but it's the same issues there)
[09:51] <fyret> another feature: open windows are kinda glued to top-left corner
[09:51] <knome> okay. now press alt+f2 and run 'xfdesktop' and see if that fixes the desktop issue first
[09:51] <knome> a-ha. then press alt+f2 and run 'xfwm4'
[09:51] <knome> that should fix the window border problem
[09:51] <fyret> do I do both of those?
[09:51] <knome> sure
[09:53] <fyret> ok, thanks, I did get my panel back
[09:54] <knome> was the desktop problem solved too?
[09:54] <fyret> however, I still can#t move that window by dragging it
[09:55] <fyret> and no, the desktop is still the same. if it helps: when I boot, and also after running "xfwm4", the original desktop as I set it, briefly appeared
[09:55] <fyret>  /appears
[09:56] <knome> hmm, try "xfwm4 --replace"
[09:56] <fyret> but is then "covered" by the stretched one
[09:56] <knome> are you using nautilus?
[09:56] <fyret> it's a file manager, right?
[09:57] <knome> yes
[09:57] <fyret> so no, I don't think so. I have a fm that is actually called "file manager", and I use thunar
[09:58] <knome> okay, just asking because nautilus tends to steal the desktop unless you run it with a specific argument
[09:58] <knome> did you run xfwm4 --replace? did that help?
[09:58] <fyret> (xfwm4 --replace didn't do anything -- I'll try to once again change the desktop via settings)
[09:58] <fyret> ooh wrong info -- I _can_ move windows on the desktop
[09:58] <knome> :)
[10:00] <fyret> but I still can't change the desktop itself, by no means that are obvious to myself
[10:00] <knome> what happens if you run 'xfdesktop-settings'?
[10:03] <fyret> the desktop settings window appears that I reach via the panel dropdown menu (I mean same one) but still, any changes on desktop background take no effect
[10:03] <toomai> anyone know if there is a channel for thunderbird?
[10:03] <knome> toomai, mozilla has their own irc network
[10:03] <toomai> knome: ah, okay....thanks
[10:04] <fyret> should I do anything as root there? o.O
[10:04] <Myrtti> have you enabled root account?
[10:05] <fyret> mmh, well I guess so, as I have installed a few things as root. (or maybe I just have no idea xD)
[10:05] <Myrtti> did you set up a root password?
[10:06] <fyret> ayup I did
[10:07] <Myrtti> did you log in as root?
[10:07] <Myrtti> or rather, have you logged in as root?
[10:07] <Myrtti> !root
[10:08] <Myrtti> every time someone sets the root password in Ubuntu, an angel cries
[10:08] <knome> that's why Myrtti cries so much
[10:08] <Myrtti> and every time someone logs in to GUI as root in any Linux distro, I cry
[10:10] <fyret> em, I am afraid I am not sure xD I did log in by typing my root password, but I still need to sudo / am asked for root pw if I do stuff
[10:11] <Myrtti> right
[10:11] <Myrtti> good luck then
[10:12] <fyret> so. thanks for the things fixed so far...
[10:13] <fyret> I suppose the unchangeable desktop remains a mystery then?
[10:13] <knome> what Myrtti means is that we don't support systems with the root account enabled
[10:14] <Myrtti> well, we can support them as far as disable the root account password
[10:15] <Myrtti> but if you've logged in as root to XFCE or Gnome or any other Graphical Desktop system, then the chances are that permissions and settings in the system have gone beyond our skills of helping
[10:15] <fyret> hmmmkay I see
[10:16] <fyret> I am sorry that I cause troubles - I#d be eager to do things right though
[10:16] <Myrtti> and I've seen this happen often enough that I knew to ask you if you had enabled root account and had logged in with it
[10:16] <fyret> so, when I do a clean install, what would be the first thing to do then?
[10:16] <Myrtti> don't be sorry for us, we're sorry for you
[10:16] <fyret> I got that much -.-
[10:17] <Myrtti> don't enable root password and don't log in as root :-D
[10:17] <Myrtti> you should be able to do everything you need without it
[10:17] <knome> you ARE ablo to
[10:17] <knome> able
[10:18] <fyret> so that is the part in the install where I am asked if I want to be asked for a password each time I login?
[10:18] <knome> no
[10:18] <knome> the install will not ask you anything about the root account
[10:18] <fyret> so how is it possible that I accidentally am root?
[10:19] <knome> maybe you followed some tutorial that told you to do so
[10:20] <fyret> I didn't - I installed the system and gladly thereby used the lice cd (from usb, if that did matter)
[10:20] <fyret> *live cd
[10:20] <knome> Myrtti, maybe you know how to check if root account is enabled
[10:20] <lukinfore> afair gdm root login is disabled by default
[10:21] <fyret> I didn't change a bit in usergroups or permissions
[10:21] <lukinfore> so to unable it you should make some conf editing
[10:21] <lukinfore> *en
[10:21] <fyret> all I did so far was install stuff, and there I was asked for a password that I had made while install
[10:21] <lukinfore> dunno about lightdm though
[10:22] <lukinfore> its not root password
[10:22] <lukinfore> just user one
[10:22] <fyret> aaah-ha
[10:22] <fyret> then I confused you there :S
[10:22] <lukinfore> ups
[10:23] <fyret> so, when I do something with "sudo" - I am not asked the root password?
[10:23] <knome> no
[10:23] <knome> that's the right way to do things
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> sudo asks for your users password
[10:24] <fyret> thanks for clearing that up
[10:24] <lukinfore> any user in default admin or sudo group can do anything as root
[10:26] <fyret> well ok then. then I suppose I _am_ able to be helped xD
[10:26] <fyret> not that I am that much troubled by my borked desktop appearance, I am just puzzled how the hell that happened
[10:27] <fyret> and why I can't change it anymore.
[10:39] <fyret> will reboo and see what happens
[10:39] <fyret> *<.> rebooT
[10:41] <fyret> hellu again
[10:42] <fyret> thanks again for the help. before rebooting I double-checked about Nautilus, and yes, it was there
[10:43] <fyret> so I removed it - now everything seems to be fine.
[10:43] <knome> okay, good
[10:43] <knome> save your session the next time you log out so nautilus won't pop up
[10:43] <knome> (unless you completely unistalled it)
[10:44] <fyret> (yeah I did uninstall, I prefer thunar anyway)
[10:44] <fyret> so have a good day - bye!
[11:15] <LiminyFresh> can anyone help me, I cant get my partition resize to work in the boot cd of lucid lynx
[12:29] <preben_> I'm trying to setup two monitors. I have an ATI card. I set them up as a big desktop so I can drag windows between them with amdcccle. When I logout gdm shows it correctly, but as soon as I login to xfce4 the displays are messed up and the second display is a clone of the first. How can I fix this? I have spent the last 12 hours trying to get this to work :-(
[12:30] <Sysi> propietrary driver?
[12:30] <preben_> fglrx
[12:32] <preben_> wait to test sth. I'll be right back just need to log out/in again
[12:33] <preben_> YEEEESS!!!
[12:34] <preben_> in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[12:34] <preben_> I had to manually change the <property name="X" type="int" value="0"/> to <property name="X" type="int" value="1921"/> for the second display
[12:35] <preben_> i guess this is an option missing in the settings->desktop GUI
[12:35] <preben_>  bye
[16:24] <renan> hello, is there a way to make the xubuntu's 11.04 sound preference menu bypass the system sound volume limit of 100% like on ubuntu 11.04?
[16:31] <renan> anybody?
[16:36] <gordoleon> hello
[16:36] <gordoleon> anyone can help me with a graphics problem?
[16:39] <macer1> !problem | gordoleon
[16:39] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[16:43] <ToZ> renan, On my system I have 2 playback channels, Master and PCM. When Master is at full, I can further adjust PCM to get another "boost" of volume.
[16:50] <renan> ToZ, hmm
[16:51] <renan> ToZ, the volume can be much higher than that by ubuntus menu
[16:52] <luxhart> Hello, I have an issue regarding display on both Xubuntu and Lubuntu. Would anyone like to help?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> !details
[16:53] <charlie-tca> If you tell what the problem actually is, if anyone knows, they will respond.
[16:54] <luxhart> When I try going into TTY1-6 (ctrl-alt-Fn), my monitor (Samsung) displays...
[16:54] <charlie-tca> That sounds normal
[16:54] <charlie-tca> It should never be blank
[16:55] <luxhart> "not supported mode". I've searched a couple places
[16:55] <luxhart> sorry, I'm a bit slow
[16:55] <luxhart> Okay, continuing...
[16:59] <luxhart> I've come across a link that tells me to append the file menu.lst and append the line where you have to type vga=ask. However, there were no files named /boot/grub/menu.lst. So I ran the command "sudo grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/menu.lst". I took a look into the file, but it doesn't seem to be a place for "vga=ask". I've done this before with ease on Tinycore Linux. Would you like me to post the menu.lst contents?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> so, you now have mixed grub1 and grub2
[17:05] <charlie-tca> under grub2, there is no menu.lst file. all configuration changes are done in either /etc/default/grub or /etc/grub.d
[17:06] <charlie-tca> so, I would remove those changes, and then try making the change to /etc/default/grub
[17:06] <luxhart> Okay, I'll try doing that right now. Thanks.
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Have you installed the hardware video driver?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> from the desktop, look in menu -> settings -> Additional drivers or menu -> System -> Additional drivers and see if there is one.
[17:09] <luxhart> Oh, I'm running Xubuntu 11.04 btw. Hold on...
[17:13] <luxhart> okay, the last thing I've done was install the nvidia graphics driver (current version). It now says "This driver is activated but not currently in use".
[17:15] <charlie-tca> You clicked the activate button?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Then you must restart for the change to take effect
[17:15] <luxhart> I have done this this morning.
[17:15] <luxhart> I mean, yes, I have rebooted
[17:16] <luxhart> shall I post my system specs as well as my problem over for clarity?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> when you highlight the driver, what button is there to left of the "activated but not in use"?
[17:17] <luxhart> To the left, there is a green circle and another button "Help". To the right, there is "Remove" and "Close"/
[17:17] <luxhart> .
[17:19] <charlie-tca> hm, now it is past my knowledge. If no one else can help here, I would suggest #ubuntu-beginners, where there are some very knowledgeable people.
[17:20] <luxhart> okay, thank you very much. Sorry for the confusion. I'll post more details about my problems in the future to avoid that.
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[17:36] <skcud> Is there any way to check which application is using the GPU the most?
[17:37] <GridCube> 2 ways
[17:37] <GridCube> skcud, you can open a terminal and use top
[17:37] <GridCube> or you can launch the system monitor
[17:38] <GridCube> i think is in System
[17:40] <skcud> Would high CPU usage cause high GPU usage too?
[17:42] <GridCube> oooo gpu
[17:43] <GridCube> skcud, are you using nvidia?
[17:43] <skcud> Yeah
[17:44] <GridCube> nvidia-smi -a
[17:44] <GridCube> nvidia-settings -q all
[17:45] <GridCube> those should tell you stuff
[17:46] <GridCube> i can't read it, because i don't understand hardware language :P
[17:46] <skcud> Neither do I. I'm seeing high temperature on my GPU and I'm trying to figure out what is causing it
[17:47] <skcud> But that helps. So thanks :)
[17:52] <GridCube> skcud, http://developer.nvidia.com/nvidia-perfkit
[17:52] <GridCube> :D
[17:53] <skcud> Ah! sweet! thanks heaps GridCube
[17:53] <GridCube> :D you are welcom
[17:53] <GridCube> +e
[18:15] <ikonia> last alexdevil
[18:16] <charlie-tca> huh?
[18:16] <charlie-tca> ikonia: wrong window?
[20:10] <Arpad2> hello
[20:11] <Arpad2> I have a pendrive which doesnt allow me to add or delete any file,
[20:11] <Arpad2> not even as root
[20:12] <TheSheep> Arpad2: check if it has a switch for write-protection
[20:13] <Arpad2> the dvb-t set top box could make records on it
[20:14] <Arpad2> I think it doesnt have such swichû
[20:15] <Sysi> reformat it
[20:18] <Arpad2> I thought that as last resort, but no other solution
[20:18] <Arpad2> it seems as if it would be lockes
[20:19] <Arpad2> -d
[20:19] <Sysi> formatting is basic stuff, just copy what you have there
[20:20] <Arpad2> ok
[20:32] <GridCube> !ipod
[20:32] <GridCube> !RockBox


 My internet is just being wonky
[13:00] <Kilos> how good are you at editing books
[13:01] <Kilos> haha i used libreoffice writer and dunno how to make everything be under the last one
[14:36] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[14:36] <Kilos> hi somaunn
[14:37] <Kilos> i just woke up
[14:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> lazy bones :P
[14:37] <Kilos> lol
[14:37] <Kilos> old bones
[14:48] <Kilos> oi
[15:19] <gremble> Kilos: I apologise, this connection is really terrible. Why did you ask whether I was any good with editing books?
[15:20] <Kilos> i  wrote one small booklett and it isnt all on one side
[15:21] <Kilos> pages are staggered
[15:21] <Kilos> so you have to keep moving left and right
[15:21] <gremble> Oh. I have never messed with layout before. Only language editing
[15:23] <Kilos> this was 2 years ago and the fly did some sorting now i am lost. read lots of lireoffice writer stuff at the time, now its all gone
[15:36] <Kilos> Fetched 90,9 MB in 2min 1s (748 kB/s)
[15:36] <Kilos> my net working lekker
[15:40] <Kilos> wbb
[15:54] <somaunn> hi guys
[15:54] <Kilos> whats news somaunn
[15:54] <somaunn> good Kilos
[15:54] <Kilos> thats good
[15:54] <somaunn> wish i could get some advices
[15:55] <Kilos> oh i found a site where you can download free linux books
[15:55] <Kilos> one was redhat or fedora
[15:55] <Kilos> ill try find it just now
[15:55] <somaunn> i want to organize in-house hackfest or hack parties but still I odn't how they are organized
[15:55] <Kilos> didnt i leave a message with maaz for you?
[15:56] <somaunn> Kilos: i receved it, Maaz did deliver it to me
[15:56] <Kilos> for starters you make sure you got good internet then you invite geeks
[15:56] <Kilos> ah good
[15:57] <Kilos> then you get each one to bring something different to eat and drink
[15:58] <somaunn> Kilos: please let me summarize it
[15:59] <Kilos> lol im just guessing man
[15:59] <somaunn> 1- Good Internet link
[15:59] <somaunn> 2- Every person to come with soft drink
[15:59] <somaunn> 3- invite Geeks
[15:59] <somaunn> am I right
[15:59] <somaunn> ?
[16:00] <Kilos> yeah
[16:00] <Kilos> also you can contact some before hand to see what theyd like to do then you add what you want to do
[16:01] <Kilos> what do you want to hack?
[16:02] <somaunn> Kilos: nice question and that is the first Point ... I though Hackfest was like parties where we come learn then apply learned or acquired tekniks
[16:03] <Kilos> i thought it was for hacking apps that dont work
[16:03] <gremble> Pretty sure that both those are valid definitions
[16:04] <somaunn> Think that's also a point to consider
[16:04] <gremble> You'd probably have to decide what it is that you want to do
[16:04] <Kilos> but your main aim is first to get a group together to get to know each other and share ideas
[16:05] <Kilos> just have a geeknick for starters
[16:05] <somaunn> first i want it to be a moment where we come and share knowledges by presenting already prepared topics (html5, linux, cli, etc...)
[16:05] <Kilos> ok
[16:08] <Kilos> mail them and see who is having the most problems with what then build from there
[16:09] <somaunn> Kilos: nice ideas
[16:09] <somaunn> i was also thinking of starting from the begining "Linux: The Basics"
[16:10] <Kilos> or go with the lpi stuff
[16:10] <Kilos> Maaz: lpi manuals
[16:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[16:10] <Kilos> Maaz: lpi manual
[16:10] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[16:11] <Kilos> just about everything is in there
[16:11] <somaunn> Well received Kilos
[16:14] <Kilos> gremble: give advice man
[16:14] <gremble> On?
[16:14] <Kilos> on the above stuff
[16:15] <gremble> Seems like you guys are sorting it out quite nicely
[16:15] <gremble> Choosing a topic depends on your audience
[16:15] <Kilos> ive never had a geek party
[16:15] <gremble> I generally don't play well with people, so I don't attend such things either
[16:16] <somaunn> gremble: a lot of things needs to be done in this area of the globe
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Kilos> depending on the others is where you start
[16:17] <Kilos> if the are all IT pros then you might need to skip basics
[16:18] <Kilos> but if there are noobs too then split the group and do basics with the noobs
[16:19] <somaunn> wish we could start with "Linux: The Basics" then progressively move to others such as Cisco, html5, php, WiFi, Network troubleshooting etc...
[16:19] <Kilos> and if someone asks what is sudo then pull your hair out
[16:20] <somaunn> will focused on noobs then only invite geeks to present topics and animate workshops
[16:20] <Kilos> the trick is knowing your audience
[16:21] <Kilos> its good to help noobs and get a couple of pros to help you teach them and it should grow on its own
[16:22] <somaunn> yeah Kilos now you got it right bro
[16:22] <Kilos> oh ya in that link i sent you there is a variety of linux books, from beginners to admin
[16:27] <somaunn> also thinking we can do Ubuntu party sometime
[16:29] <Kilos> what i like about ubuntu is that mostly everything just works
[16:29] <Kilos> so not much fixing needed
[16:30] <somaunn> Yeah Kilos but if things works like that then we won't feel any difference with Win
[16:30] <Kilos> ubuntu has grown in leaps and bounds since 8.10
[16:31] <Kilos> do you prefer fixing things?
[16:32] <somaunn> yeah sometime, it gives me a better view of the system and I feel like flying
[16:32] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <somaunn> command...command...command....
[16:32] <somaunn> like in 24 "the serie"
[16:33] <Kilos> if you like playing install tinycorelinux and work your way through that
[16:33] <Kilos> or run it from ram
[16:34] <somaunn> Kilos: lol
[16:34] <somaunn> Vbox will be the medium
[16:34] <somaunn> can't sacrifice an hdd to do tests
[16:35] <Kilos> ya virtual is good
[16:35] <Kilos> you can even install on a flash drive
[16:36] <Kilos> i have a running fully upgraded 12.04.5 running on a 16g stick
[16:36] <somaunn> cool
[16:36] <Kilos> ideal tool for booting from and fixing other systems
[16:38] <somaunn> have to move for hours ... coming back soon
[16:45] <Kilos> hi SilverCode_
[16:45] <Kilos> you been very quiet
[16:46] <Kilos> oh you here twice
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:24] <Kilos> first time ive seen this  -  apt-file update needed
[17:29] <Kilos> ohi superfly inetpro
[17:36] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:39] <nlsthzn> hello uncle Kilos :)
[17:42] <nlsthzn> any word from kbmonkey ?
[17:43] <Kilos> nope will mail him now or catch him on pidgin somewhere
[17:46] <Kilos> mailed him
[17:46] <Kilos> now we wait
[17:46] <nlsthzn> OK :)
[17:59] <Kilos> storm coming, power could go
[18:00] <nlsthzn> eskom could also go at any moment ;)
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> dit reen nou lekker
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz: seen bushtech
[18:29] <Maaz> Kilos: bushtech was last seen 4 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-11-22 04:59:30 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-11-22 21:07:02 PST
[18:29] <Kilos> another holiday maker
[18:42] <magespawn> good evening
[18:42] <Kilos> hi my magespawn
[18:43] <magespawn> did i miss anything after i dropped out last night?
[18:44] <Kilos> not much i think
[18:45] <magespawn> good i will check the minutes when i have a second
[18:45] <magespawn> or a minute
[20:08] <magespawn> good night all


[04:24] <jbicha> darkxst: so you've tested gnome-desktop3 with g-c-c/g-s-d 3.6?
[04:26] <darkxst> yes, but only under unity
[04:26] <darkxst> those api changes were for 3.9 btw
[04:27] <jbicha> ok I'll go ahead and upload gnome-desktop3 then
[04:28] <darkxst> thanks
[04:29] <jbicha> do you know whether we want 02_refuse_to_break_GL_compositors.patch ?
[04:36] <darkxst> jbicha, I assumed it had been fixed in unity, but not sure
[07:55] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[07:55] <darkxst> hi
[07:56] <ricotz> darkxst, please don't bump the revision of backports you are uploading
[07:57] <ricotz> e.g gnome-system-monitor - <IP_ADDRESS>-2~raring1 > *<IP_ADDRESS>-1~raring1*
[07:57] <darkxst> yeh I just realise that warning about being an earlier version doesnt matter
[07:58] <ricotz> the version shouldnt be higher than the current saucy version
[07:58] <ricotz> so just ignore that waring ;)
[07:58] <ricotz> *warning
[07:58] <darkxst> yes I am now
[07:58] <ricotz> ok
[12:23] <jbicha> darkxst: why does your nautilus branch depend on dh-migrations?
[12:48] <jbicha> oh I figured it out, thanks
[18:14] <Windywoo> Hello
[18:14] <Windywoo> Does anyone have a simple way to install an Ambiance theme in Gnome Ubuntu?
[21:31] <jbicha> darkxst: look at 3.7.92-1 from http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/m/mutter/experimental_changelog
[21:32] <jbicha> specifically 02-dont-select-for-XI2-events.patch, do you think that might be related to bug 1163886 ?
[21:42] <darkxst> jbicha, I don't think so
[21:43] <darkxst> the XI bug fails with BadImplementation, or BadAccess
[21:43] <darkxst> and its fixed anyway http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=314776eb369ca2e438907795
[21:45] <jbicha> ok, I don't understand X bugs
[21:45] <jbicha> I filed bug 1185150 too
[21:54] <darkxst> jbicha, the BadXXX errors are just a translation of the X error codes
[22:05] <darkxst> jbicha, X 1.14 just landed, can you reproduce with that?
[22:06] <darkxst> (on x-staging)
[22:29] <darkxst> jbicha, I just reproduced the s-c crash on raring, seems to be crashing loading webkit frames (doesnt take down X here though)
[22:32] <darkxst> and of course can't reproduce now that I am trying to get a backtrace ;(
[23:10] <darkxst> jbicha, but cannot reproduce on saucy/nvidia box, so either its fixed in X 1.14(.1) or its intel specific
[23:17] <darkxst> oh my laptop is on 14.1 also, guess its intel specific then


[03:44] <DanaG> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04
[03:44] <DanaG> Eek, old double-orange Heron!
[03:45]  * DanaG pokes the air and hopes somebody notices... but doesn't 'poke' any one specific person.
[03:45] <DanaG> s/pokes/waves his arms in/
[03:45] <_MMA_> Oh give it a rest. It really doesn't matter.
[03:46] <DanaG> I won't see that page myself, anyway.
[03:46] <DanaG> I use about:blank
[03:46] <DanaG> I'm already wondering what Intrepid will have... but perhaps it's way too early.
[03:47] <DanaG> Yup, way early.
[03:47] <DanaG> "Intrepid" makes me think of cars.
[04:06] <DanaG> Vroom.
[10:49] <troy_s> Wow.
[10:53] <Cimi> kwwii, where's scott on irc?
[12:55] <kwwii> Cimi: keybuk is his nick
[12:55] <Cimi> thx
[12:58] <cody-somerville> Can someone make Xubuntu a release banner please please please? :)
[13:03]  * cody-somerville pokes troy_s.
[13:03] <kwwii> lol, the heron also made it to the front page of the store!
[13:04] <kwwii> http://shop.canonical.com/
[13:06] <cody-somerville> hawt
[13:36] <_MMA_> kwwii: Is that the shirt their gonna have at UDS?
[13:43] <kwwii> _MMA_: no idea, I thought they were only making them for UDS until I saw that you can buy them
[13:43] <_MMA_> ok
[14:04] <kwwii> hi KevinTW
[14:04] <KevinTW> hi kwwii
[14:04] <kwwii> cody-somerville: did you find someone to make your banner?
[14:04] <cody-somerville> I used a draft banner
[14:04] <cody-somerville> kwwii, But if you could whip something up for us, it would be greatly appreciated :)
[14:13] <kwwii> cody-somerville: not sure exactly what you want/need or where it will go
[14:14] <kwwii> cody-somerville: but if you have nothing else I can take a whack at something
[14:21] <cody-somerville> This is what we had for gutsy: http://www.xubuntu.org/files/gutsy_is_here.png
[14:24] <kwwii> cody-somerville: ok, so did you have something in mind?
[14:27] <cody-somerville> Not really :)
[14:27] <_MMA_> pfftt... Typical.
[14:28] <_MMA_> "I can't give any input up front. Only after work is put into it to say I don't like it.   I can't tell.
[14:47] <DanaG> And who says that?
[14:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, who's the supplier for that shirt?
[14:47] <DanaG> Some places I've seen don't offer designs that big.
[14:48] <kwwii> cody-somerville: do you have a screenshot of the desktop I could use for that pic?
[14:50] <cody-somerville> http://www.xubuntu.org/files/xubuntu.png
[15:12] <kwwii> boah, inkscape just died on me :p
[15:19] <savvas> be sure to get rid of the corpse :p
[15:21] <savvas> anyway, as that fellow henrik omma said in a bug report of mine, they won't use anything above 0.46 for inkscape :\
[15:22] <kwwii> because that is the supported version in the archive I guess
[15:22] <savvas> probably, but I had a problem importing the gnu svg from wikipedia :P it came out black hehe
[15:23] <savvas> oh well, intrepid is just 6 months away hehe
[15:26] <_MMA_> savvas: Use Inkscape from the testers PPA. or build from source. SVN is real easy.
[15:30] <savvas> _MMA_: one step at a time :P I'm just a bit afraid to tinker with the source :)
[15:31] <savvas> I'll enjoy my working release for now, until june/july when i finish biochemistry and physiology exams
[15:35] <_MMA_> savvas: Ill post instructions somewhere.  I'll read it, I always have some spare time to make things better:)) just highlight me and point me to a link if you do so
[15:55] <kwwii> cody-somerville: http://sinecera.de/xubuntu_ken.png
[15:55] <kwwii> cody-somerville: just something I made quickly, no worries if you don't use it
[15:56] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/xubuntu_ken.svg if you want to tweak it or whatever
[16:09] <cody-somerville> kwwii, thanks :)
[16:27] <kwwii> lol, check this out
[16:27] <kwwii> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nogc124.xml
[16:28]  * _MMA_ looks
[16:30] <_MMA_> People have dirty minds. :P
[17:53] <oskude> hi, i cant send any messages to ubuntu-art list, nor can i unsubscribe with the mailman interface (it just doesnt work)... can i unsubscribe from the list using email ?
[17:57] <kwwii> oskude: although I am not positive, I think you can just put unsubscribe in the subject or such
[17:58] <oskude> kwwii, hmm, on the other lists its normally another email address, but i'll try
[17:58] <kwwii> yeah, might be
[17:58] <kwwii> do your emails get rejected from the list?
[17:58] <kwwii> or do they just not come through?
[17:59] <oskude> kwwii, atleast i didnt get any error (that i know of)
[17:59] <kwwii> my guess is that the servers are really slow atm due to all the people downloading hardy, accesing the web page, etc
[18:00] <oskude> i send my message at Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:15:46 +0200
[18:00] <oskude> kwwii, ah, i see your the admin of ubuntu-art ?
[18:01] <kwwii> oskude: yepp
[18:01] <oskude> kwwii, if you have access to the logs, you could check what happened to that email, titled "unsubscribe broke ?" from andre at osku dot de
[18:04] <kwwii> oskude: it does not look like you are subscribed to the list
[18:04] <kwwii> that email adress is not subscribed at least
[18:04] <oskude> kwwii, hmm, i still get emails from there, even today, ill check
[18:11] <oskude> kwwii, hmm, i tried other emails that i have (but i normally use only that) cant login with anything (assuming my password is correct)... can you look if any account from osku.de is subscribed ? (no need to say which, i dont have so many)
[18:32]  * oskude goes play... xchat log is on ;)
[19:01] <troy_s> cody-somerville: When do you need it?
[19:01] <cody-somerville> troy_s, kwwii already produced something
[19:01] <cody-somerville> troy_s, But if you want to create something, I can put it up too
[19:01] <troy_s> cody-somerville: Ok great.
[19:01] <troy_s> cody-somerville: Sorry I was in bed.
[19:01] <troy_s> lol
[19:01] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:29] <savvas> kwwii: how about this for a p2p icon? :) http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/bittorrent-icon/p2p.svg
[19:29] <savvas> or something around that idea
[19:37] <_MMA_> savvas: I would personally try to go a little more realistic and less like Tango. Human has a bit more realism. I'd go for that.
[19:37] <_MMA_> kwwii: Which reminds me. Human needs a base image to use for mimetypes.
[19:37] <_MMA_> Text file kinda backgrounds.
[19:38] <savvas> hm.. _MMA_ you mean change the colours?
[19:38] <_MMA_> The style.
[19:38] <_MMA_> The thick outline is too Tango.
[19:39] <savvas> you're right I guess, I should propose it to the tango team haha
[19:39] <_MMA_> Sure.
[19:40] <_MMA_> Oh... There are OO.o images in Human we could use.
[19:40] <savvas> well I tried to propose this one for gnome-icon-theme for application/x-bittorrent: http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/bittorrent-icon/bittorrent.svg
[19:40] <savvas> but i ended up finding out that the mime type was from the freedesktop package :\
[19:41] <savvas> plus, they didn't like it, the globe was a cliche they were trying to avoid heh
[20:31]  * thorwil subscribes to brainstorm ml
[22:59] <DanaG> Dang, that stretches-only-from-left issue sucks.
[23:00] <_MMA_> DanaG: Just happened recently. Bug filed. It will be taken care of.
[23:00] <DanaG> Cool.  I figured that'd be so.
[23:01] <DanaG> Hmm, for background color around non-fullscreen images... would it look good to take average of each edge and project outwards?
[23:01] <DanaG> Kind of like the edge-illumination thing on some TVs.