[01:04] <elky> MTecknology, pleia2 is here, please talk to her.
[01:04] <MTecknology> she said she has a meeting right now
[01:05] <pleia2> yes, but I said you could talk about it here
[01:05] <pleia2> I have frequently asked you to tone down your language in #ubuntu-us - you always say you will but you don't
[01:05] <MTecknology> I'm not arguing that I've used bad language. I'm arguing what I was kicked on
[01:06] <pleia2> I understand that you disagree that "holy crap" is not a swear, *I* don't feel it's appropriate but the core of the issue here is that you've been repeatedly asked to stop and you haven't
[01:06] <pleia2> I don't feel that you take the channel rules seriously, or that you're trying to change
[01:06] <MTecknology> I'm looking for a script to block my messages atm
[01:06] <MTecknology> not replace, just drop
[01:07] <pleia2> (and for the record, I didn't kick or ban, it was a remove to let you cool off, I told you that you could come back if you toned it down)
[01:07] <MTecknology> isn't that the same as kick?
[01:08] <MTecknology> I agree that my language has been bad and I admit I haven't tried hard enough to restrain myself. I have and I've caught myself right before Enter many times. My issue is what I was removed for
[01:08] <elky> MTecknology, if you want your messages blocked from the channel, why be there at all?
[01:09] <MTecknology> elky: I mean so if I use any bad word it won't let me send it
[01:09] <pleia2> MTecknology: that's fine, you're welcome to disagree for the specific thing, I concede that not everyone agrees what is a swear and what is not
[01:10] <pleia2> I simply grow tired of having to frequently warn you for what you admit has been poor language
[01:11] <MTecknology> I can agree that crap may be a bad word, however it's swearing by any means. The word holy is entirely a religious matter as far as being offensive and in daily language is used only for emphasis.
[01:12] <MTecknology> If I was kicked or banned for anything from before I wouldn't argue, but not being able to say 'holy crap' seems a tad extreme.
[01:12] <pleia2> the specific phrase is really not the issue
[01:12] <MTecknology> it is for me though - that's what's bothering me
[01:12] <pleia2> you're welcome to return if you work harder to restrain yourself
[01:12] <pleia2> I'm not going to give you a list of words that are not ok to say, such a thing does not exist
[01:13] <MTecknology> I don't want one
[01:13] <pleia2> you asked for one
[01:13] <MTecknology> no I didn't
[01:13] <pleia2> different things are offensive to different people, I just want you to consider this when communicating in #ubuntu-us
[01:14] <MTecknology> If I asked for one it's not in my logs this year
[01:14] <elky> MTecknology, in discussion with me, you proceeded to start asking if individual words were ok after we finished discussing previous words. that's 'wanting a list'
[01:15] <pleia2> you also specifically told me that such a list "really does need to be built"
[01:15] <MTecknology> if the case of what I said being bad, yes
[01:16] <MTecknology> When I return, will 'holy crap' be acceptable? Provided of course I refrain from other language that we can agree is bad?
[01:17] <pleia2> the issue is not the phrase itself, you just need to tone it down and chill out a bit
[01:18] <pleia2> not everything you discover is worth an expletive
[01:20] <MTecknology> agreed, I'm easily excitable
[01:20] <MTecknology> You never did answer that though, is that acceptable or not?
[01:21] <MTecknology> I'm just looking for a yes/no... nothing fancy. I've read and understood everything you've said
[01:21] <pleia2> no, it's generally not ok
[01:22] <pleia2> people swear, that's part of life, it's the consistancy with which you do that is the issue here, not the specific words
[01:22] <MTecknology> that bothers me - that's what I've been trying to argue - nothing else
[01:22] <MTecknology> I'm not trying to argue my frequency either
[01:23] <pleia2> I am just saying, the frequency is the issue, not that it happened
[01:23] <elky> MTecknology, because you're missing the point of the issue, and pleia2 is trying to get you to stop focussing on specific phrases. you're arguing the wrong case if you're going to demand every word in the english language to be rated for your convenience.
[01:24] <MTecknology> elky: I'm arguing the placement of one
[01:24] <MTecknology> if I use 'holy crap' once a day, will you remove me?
[01:24] <pleia2> once a day, yes
[01:24] <elky> MTecknology, that's one too many.
[01:24] <elky> that's one placement too many
[01:25] <MTecknology> that's what's bothering me, I'm not seeing where that is offensive
[01:25] <MTecknology> what if I said 'holy cow'... would you consider that bad?
[01:25]  * pleia2 sighs
[01:26] <elky> MTecknology, what's bothering me is you've been told 'no', yet you cannot accept the rule. i am inclined to agree with pleia2 that you have no respect for the rules at all.
[01:26] <elky> MTecknology, stop it.
[01:26] <MTecknology> I was wondering which part of that was bad
[01:26] <elky> MTecknology, what's bad is that you're asking.
[01:27] <MTecknology> I did a little reading and I'll agree that 'crap' can be considered offensive - I don't see how 'holy' can be considered such in the ubuntu namespace
[01:27] <elky> MTecknology, if you're driving along and get pulled over by a cop for doing 40 in a 30 zone, do you proceed to negotiate which of those miles was the bad one?
[01:28] <MTecknology> elky: they do have good/bad ones... if you're under 5 over they don't consider it a big deal and arguing in court (as I've done) will get any ticket waived
[01:29] <elky> MTecknology, i said 10 miles over
[01:29] <elky> now you're arguing about 5 miles
[01:29] <elky> BIG difference
[01:29] <MTecknology> exactly MY point
[01:29] <elky> accept the 10 miles and shut up about the 5.
[01:29] <MTecknology>  10 mmiles over = 'sh**' ; 4 over = 'holy crap'
[01:29] <elky> no
[01:30] <elky> holy crap is 10 miles over because pleia2 said so. you're trying to argue it's 4 miles instead. pleia2 has already said it's 10.
[01:30] <elky> accept what she says and move along like an adult.
[01:30] <elky> you're wasting her time, and mine.
[01:31] <MTecknology> please remove my ubuntu hostmask
[01:31] <elky> MTecknology, please go do something else for a while and calm down.
[01:32] <elky> go for a walk or something.
[01:33] <MTecknology> it's rainging pretty hard right now
[01:34] <elky> then find something of a similar nature
[01:34] <MTecknology> ... ya, I'll just go grab a bottle and head to the park
[01:34] <MTecknology> I'll sum up my thoughts when I get back
[01:43] <nalioth> before we start censoring folks, let's think about what we're doing
[01:44] <pleia2> this wasn't about specific censoring of words, it's a pattern of behavior marked by offensive language that has not been stopped when we've asked
[01:44] <pleia2> (he has admitted as much)
[01:44] <nalioth> then we need to make sure we're "censoring an individual" rather than language
[01:45] <pleia2> agreed
[01:45] <pleia2> as I said, it's not a huge deal if someone says an inappropriate word or phrase out of turn from time to time (we're human, it happens)
[03:24] <MTecknology> /b/b
[03:26] <MTecknology> pleia2: I've thought about everything you said good and hard. I absolutely can't agree with what you're saying. I tried to discuss it however I don't think you considered my pov. I don't think I'll return to -us anytime soon. Your actions very much bother me. I would reiterate however if you read backlog it'll be plainly obvious. I will continue to work on my loco as well as work on the locomap project because it is not ubuntu
[03:29] <MTecknology> elky: From above, I won't stop working on projects in the Ubuntu realm, however I still would like to remove the ubuntu/member portion of my hostmask. I feel that IRC is the blood of the Ubuntu community and I feel rather detatched. Perhaps after a few months I will feel better, but the outlook at rather uncertain. It won't be for a couple months before I reconsider my stance, but after a walk and some relaxing I can pretty fi
[03:30] <MTecknology> If anything was cut off, please let me know.
[03:30] <elky> MTecknology, both got truncated. pastebin instead maybe
[03:31] <MTecknology> http://mteck.pastebin.com/d665a685e
[03:34] <pleia2> I'm afraid I don't understand what you disagree with me about, you admit that your "language has been bad and I admit I haven't tried hard enough to restrain myself"
[03:34] <elky> MTecknology, you pasted the versions your client truncated
[03:34] <pleia2> I admitted that there were differing views of the specific phrase you were removed for, and explained that the problem is the continued behavior rather than specific words
[03:35] <MTecknology> pleia2: I disagree about 'holy crap' it's what I've been tyring to discuss. You said if I were to use it I would be removed again.
[03:36] <elky> MTecknology, which would be because you'd been told not to but did anyway.
[03:36] <MTecknology> elky: I'm reading that and it's not truncated - just funky spacing from my client
[03:37] <elky> which would indicate your lack of ability to respect the requests of other people
[03:37] <MTecknology> elky: http://mteck.pastebin.com/d6c9b5795
[03:38] <MTecknology> elky: I'm not trying to argue anymore. I'm not even trying to discuss
[03:38] <pleia2> yes, just like we warned you not to keep repeating other words, but you continued to do so
[03:38] <pleia2> as I said, it's the repetition and continued disregard for our requests to stop that is the problem
[03:38] <elky> MTecknology, i'm not going to remove your cloak just because you're disagreeing with one of the hundred+ channels.
[03:39] <elky> that would be ridiculously premature.
[03:42] <MTecknology> pleia2: if you'd just said that the issue is that I used a word that could possibly be considered offensive which would be fine except for the repeated offensisive language. I would not have argued. What I said, I do not see as offensive and I fail too see where it is offensive beyond the age of which others can read/write.
[03:42] <elky> she did say that several times.
[03:43] <MTecknology> pleia2: you did not do that, I tried to approach you about how I felt that specific language was ok and you disgreed and you would not discuss the specific language. You kept referencing past rather than discussing the specific language I used which is language I have not used before and previous precedents dictate are ok.
[03:45] <elky> you are contradicting yourself.
[03:48] <MTecknology> here's what it really truely comes down to. pleia2 will win because it's gray line and she's boss. Here's a torvalds quote, "If you still don't like it, that's ok: that's why I'm boss. I simply know better than you do." No matter how true the last part, it doesn't really matter.
[03:48] <MTecknology> I'm going to leave the -us discussion at that unless someone wishes it be discussed further.
[04:41] <MTecknology> pleia2: If I use language I have not used previously, will you please warn me that it is not acceptable? You have now informed me that 'holy crap' is not acceptable in #ubuntu-us. I will accept that because 'you're the boss' but I was never given warning prior to that. I obviously felt that language was not offensive and you failed to prove to me that it is. I would like to make some sort of truce that will be in your favor. C
[04:42] <pleia2> you got cut off again
[04:42] <MTecknology> where at?
[04:42] <pleia2> in your favor. C
[04:42] <MTecknology> in your favor. Can you at least agree to that?
[04:42] <pleia2> regardless, yes that is acceptable
[04:43] <pleia2> I never really wanted you to leave the team :) it just seemed like you didn't care to change your behavior (for other phrases you knew were not great) and that was troubling
[04:44] <MTecknology> elky: I'm still not certain of the hostmask thing but a certain GC was able to help me reaffirm my ubuntu community relations.
[04:45] <MTecknology> pleia2: I do care, that's why I used that instead. That's also why it bothered me that you removed me for such
[04:45] <MTecknology> n
[04:46] <pleia2> ok
[19:23] <m4v> jpds: ping
[20:44] <jpds> m4v: Hola.
[20:46] <m4v> jpds: es sobre la fundación de #kubuntu-es, Riddell ahora está deacuerdo en sacarle a Timido su posición de fundador
[20:46] <jpds> m4v: Para mi, es todo tuyo si quieres.
[20:48] <m4v> jpds: nosotros (Elidix, krawek y yo) pensabamos en ofrecertelo a vos, pero Riddell me comentó que te distanciaste de kde y como no estás tanto en ku-es como antes, que capaz no estarías interesado en asumir ese rol
[20:49] <m4v> jpds: bueno, si no te interesa realmente, seguramente lo asumiré yo
[20:49] <niko> m4v: ubuntu concil don't put a status on that ?
[20:50] <niko> who manage u-it ?
[20:50] <remix_tj> niko: ubot-it ?
[20:50] <m4v> niko: I only talked with Riddell, I don't know about the ubuntu council, we're talking about kubuntu-es here
[20:50] <niko> ( question about remove or not uBOTu-fr from #ubuntu-it )
[20:51] <remix_tj> niko: jester- is the manager
[20:51] <niko> ok :)
[20:51] <remix_tj> but i'm also one of irc team
[20:51] <remix_tj> now i ask :-)
[20:51] <niko> and for #ubuntu-ru ?
[20:51] <niko> cause i receive A4tech request about hosting or provide bot for u-ru
[22:36] <remix_tj> niko: you can remove ubotu-fr from u-it, jester says
[22:36] <remix_tj> thanks for the "rental" :-)
[22:36] <remix_tj> 'hight
[22:37] <remix_tj> 'night
[22:40] <niko> !part #ubuntu-it


[19:53] <sadmac2> Keybuk: Have we decided what kind of info pid 1 will provide? i.e. is it just a feed of signals and other happenings or is it a Start-Stopped-Failed-Restarting kind of abstraction?
[19:53] <Keybuk> probably the same basic signals we have today
[19:54] <Keybuk> starting (lower left edge)
[19:54] <Keybuk> started (upper left edge)
[19:54] <Keybuk> stopping (upper right edge)
[19:54] <Keybuk> stopped (lower right edge)
[19:54] <Keybuk> where stopping and stopped will include properties containing exit codes, signals, output, etc.
[19:54] <sadmac2> yes. that's good
[19:55] <sadmac2> that's more useful to people who want to use pid 1 directly without the state service
[19:55] <sadmac2> and it makes it easier to manage the state service itself
[19:55] <sadmac2> BTW I think pid 1 should handle respawning transparently
[19:56] <Keybuk> respawning is interesting
[19:56] <Keybuk> as to whether or not you go through the levels
[19:57] <sadmac2> it can be reflected in the state machine, but it means 3 states for a single job (one for running, one for trying to respawn, one for either of the above)
[19:58] <Keybuk> that's how I used to have it
[19:58] <Keybuk> but I couldn't find any reason for having that magic third state
[19:58] <Keybuk> at the end of the day, if you're depending on a service, and that service is restarted
[19:58] <Keybuk> most likely, you have to be restarted too
[19:58] <sadmac2> with deps, there could be a serious falldown if that happens
[19:59] <Keybuk> d-bus crashes
[19:59] <Keybuk> and gets respawned
[19:59] <sadmac2> whole system bounces
[20:00] <notting> d-bus is not allowed to crash. especially if it's in the kernel
[20:00] <Keybuk> it has to bounce though
[20:00] <Keybuk> if d-bus crashes, we really do have to restart everything that depended on it
[20:00] <Keybuk> it might be scary behaviour, but it's correct
[20:01] <notting> every time that gets brought up to the d-bus developers, they just say to punt. and well, if we put the system bus in the kernel and make it panic() on exit, that works around the issue
[20:01] <Keybuk> I don't think that's relevant though?
[20:01] <Keybuk> it's still a good example
[20:02] <Keybuk> if X crashes, we probably have to restart everything that depended on it
[20:04] <sadmac2> Keybuk: if the respawn is in the state machine its a good example of the case for transition actions
[20:05] <sadmac2> transition A => TryRestartA on failed($OUR_SERVICE_HANDLE)
[20:52] <sadmac2> Mmm... runtime type definition
[20:52]  * sadmac2 loves Ruby
[21:20] <ion_> Ruby for the win.
[21:28] <sadmac2> notting: what is the state of the kernelspace dbus? I was at the talk, but I hadn't slept much and was only intermittently conscious.
[21:29] <notting> not really that close to done
[21:29] <sadmac2> hm
[21:30] <notting> sort of a proof-of-concept
[21:31] <keesj> if (dbus in kernel) then me search other job
[21:32] <sadmac2> keesj: wth kind of programming language is that? Visual Caveman?
[21:33] <keesj> human2.0
[21:33] <keesj> (based on lua)
[21:34] <sadmac2> oic
[21:35] <keesj> well perhaps it can beat sysfs and netlink.
[21:38] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I'm hitting the old question: User starts X, event says to stop it. We do ??
[21:41] <sadmac2> and its more complicated than we think
[21:41] <sadmac2> stop on dont-particularly-feel-like-spending-resources-on-this // User probably takes precedence
[21:42] <sadmac2> stop on disk-we-were-using-just-up-and-vanished // User can probably shove it
[21:53] <sadmac2> nvm doing it wrong
[21:53] <Keybuk> event can't say to stop it?
[21:53] <Keybuk> we removed "stop on"
[21:54] <sadmac2> Keybuk: yes. Just realized that
[21:54] <Keybuk> the condition in which X is permitted to be running can become false
[21:54] <Keybuk> so obviously, it has to be stopped ;)
[21:54] <Keybuk> the user can only start it while that is true anyway
[21:54] <Keybuk> when I realised we'd solved that old issue, I cried
[21:54] <Keybuk> with joy
[21:55] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I think instead of 'until', we should just say that anywhere you can use a state name you can also say (a..b) where a and b are events
[21:55] <Keybuk> why is .. better than a keyword?
[21:56] <Keybuk> how does that work when a contains multiple parameters?
[21:57] <sadmac2> (a b c .. d)
[21:57] <Keybuk> why is ".." better than "until" ?
[21:57] <sadmac2> its better because its valid /anywhere/ a state is
[21:57] <sadmac2> when foo and (a .. b) on bar
[21:57] <Keybuk> when foo and (a until b) on bar
[21:58] <sadmac2> you can wordify it yes
[21:58] <sadmac2> but that is different than on a until b
[21:58] <Keybuk> was from a until b
[21:58] <sadmac2> you wrote on a until b on the whiteboard at one point
[21:58] <Keybuk> this is just syntax though
[21:59] <Keybuk> I'm more interested in how it works atm
[21:59] <sadmac2> true
[22:02] <sadmac2> Keybuk: issue with your assertion about the dependency:
[22:02] <sadmac2> wait...
[22:03]  * Keybuk sits down and starts singing about gold
[22:03] <sadmac2> ok
[22:03] <sadmac2> we're good
[22:03] <sadmac2> I need to teach my brain to trust previous results
[22:04] <sadmac2> after I implemented that instance hack for states in 0.5 I think I twice had to re-prove to myself that it would work
[22:04] <Keybuk> what was the issue?
[22:04] <sadmac2> what if the user starts service A, which auto-starts its dependency service B, and then the user tries to stop service B
[22:06] <Keybuk> then A would stop
[22:06] <sadmac2> yep
[22:06] <sadmac2> actually, a nice "WARNING: YOU ARE A MORON" might be nice.
[22:08] <ion_> Didn’t read the discussion yet, but such a warning is always nice. :-)
[22:08] <Keybuk> well, we could do quite interesting things
[22:08] <Keybuk> # stop apache
[22:09] <Keybuk> must also stop tomcat, continue? [y/n]
[22:09] <Keybuk> # stop -f apache
[22:09] <Keybuk> obviously we'd only do that if apache was making a depender's state false
[22:09] <Keybuk> if apache depended on tomcat, we wouldn't bug
[22:11] <sadmac2> So from what I have we have 3 reasons a service can start (An event the service listens for, Dependency, or User saying go) and 2 it can stop (lost dependency, User saying stop)
[22:12] <Keybuk> err four
[22:12] <sadmac2> what's 4?
[22:12] <Keybuk> dependant state becoming true, and auto
[22:12] <Keybuk> event while dependant state is true
[22:13] <Keybuk> depended on by another service while dependant state is true
[22:13] <Keybuk> user saying so while dependant state is true
[22:14] <sadmac2> Keybuk: reason 1 and 2 are the same in the current abstraction (You'll recall epsilon events?)
[22:14] <sadmac2> my terminal fails at unicode today or I'd use an actual epsilon
[22:15] <sadmac2> ɛ
[22:15] <sadmac2> there we go


[00:58] <thedarkone> on a dch3200 can i use usb port to change channels?
[01:11] <foxbuntu> thedarkone, no
[01:15] <genii> Anyone know anything about Pace 551 cable boxes? Mine has firewire and p2p apparently streams (not broadcast). I've tried channels 0,1, 62,63 and some others but no luck so far. Any tips would be appreciated
[02:28] <yellowking> I have a HVR-1600 with MCE remote.  When I hit buttons on the remote, the eye lights up and irw recognized the events, but the IRBlaster doesn't light up.
[02:28] <yellowking> When I run irsend manually, I can trigger the IRBlaster and control my cable box.  What am I missing to associate the two?
[02:41] <thedarkone> foxbuntu what do i need?
[03:22] <foxbuntu> thedarkone, what?
[03:34] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, lmao
[03:34] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I won't do it intentionally
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest67> Hello
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest67> I have a question...
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest67> I just installed Mythbuntu and the default user is not being created on install
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> I have done a search and came up nil.
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> Any suggestions?
[03:37] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest67, default user?
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> Thanks :-)
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> Yeah "mythtv"
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> mysql user
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> sorry
[03:37] <tgm4883> which version did you instal
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest67> 8.10
[03:38] <tgm4883> alternate or live disk?
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest67> alternate
[03:38] <tgm4883> !mysql
[03:38] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[03:38] <tgm4883> do that  ^
[03:38] <tgm4883> the mysql stuff doesn't get setup with the alt disk
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest67> Crap!
[03:38] <tgm4883> which is why we don't have an alt disk anymore
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest67> Got it
[03:38] <tgm4883> glad I could help ;)
[03:39] <MythbuntuGuest67> Actually, I downloaded it by mistake
[03:39] <MythbuntuGuest67> Maybe I should install from live disk?
[03:39] <MythbuntuGuest67> What do you think?
[03:39] <tgm4883> nah no biggie, I think you can fix it
[03:39] <tgm4883> but either way is fine
[03:39] <MythbuntuGuest67> If I run the steps from above will I be alright? Or will I run into more issue?
[03:40] <MythbuntuGuest67> issue?s
[03:40] <tgm4883> you should be fine
[03:40] <MythbuntuGuest67> Cool
[03:40] <genii> The factoid should just say mysql-server since mysql-server-5.0  will become later versions
[03:40] <MythbuntuGuest67> Give me a sec and I will let you know how it goes
[03:41] <tgm4883> genii, you are probably right
[03:42] <MythbuntuGuest67> That fixed it! Thanks!!
[03:45] <tgm4883> your welcome
[03:49] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, aren't you just mister helpful tonight :)
[03:49] <tgm4883> yep ;)
[03:50] <tgm4883> my goal is to be more helpful than you
[03:50] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, like thats difficult
[03:50] <foxbuntu> :)
[03:50] <tgm4883> I know, I'm done for the month ;)
[03:50] <foxbuntu> yup
[03:51] <foxbuntu> and Im done for the year I think, I fixed 3 bugs this week
[03:51] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:04] <yellowking> I have a HVR-1600 with MCE remote.  When I hit buttons on the remote, the eye lights up and irw recognized the events, but the IRBlaster doesn't light up.
[05:04] <yellowking> When I run irsend manually, I can trigger the IRBlaster and control my cable box.  What am I missing to associate the two?
[05:14] <foxbuntu> yellowking, dont know much about them, but give this a shot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_an_IR_Blaster_with_MythTV
[05:37] <yellowking> foxbuntu, will do, thanks
[05:42] <tgm4883> a channel change script?
[05:42] <tgm4883> !stab foxbuntu
[05:42]  * Zinn stabs foxbuntu with a WASP knife.
[05:42] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, no I think he is trying to use his mce to control the actual STB
[05:43] <tgm4883> didn't sound like that to me
[05:43]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[05:43] <foxbuntu> idk
[05:43] <foxbuntu> maybe im wrong
[05:43] <tgm4883> I thought he is just trying to change the channel on his stb
[05:43] <tgm4883> yellowking, ^
[05:44]  * foxbuntu claims to not know anything about channel changes scripts as well
[05:44]  * tgm4883 posts references to myth-chan everywhere
[05:44] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:45] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, there are only two people at the moment that know what that is
[05:45] <tgm4883> wait till I microblog about it
[05:45] <foxbuntu> like anyone reads your blogs
[05:46] <tgm4883> microblog
[05:46] <tgm4883> and we do have followers
[05:46] <foxbuntu> oh you mean identi.ca?
[05:46] <tgm4883> yep
[05:47] <foxbuntu> i swear if I get email requests for it
[05:47] <foxbuntu> it will be a spolier for every show you watch
[05:47] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:47] <tgm4883> you won't get emails
[05:47]  * tgm4883 attaches foxbuntu's phone number to every post
[05:48] <foxbuntu> yeah
[05:48] <foxbuntu> remember tgm4883 I get airfare cheap...so Im not afraid to come find you
[05:48] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, don't forget, i'm republican, so I have plenty of guns
[05:48] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, im the only type of person with more guns than a republican
[05:49] <tgm4883> muslim?
[05:49] <foxbuntu> redneck
[05:49] <tgm4883> ah
[06:06] <yellowking> I've got live tv working, audio good-- remote can pause live video, FF and RW, change volume...but it's not changing the channel on my cable box.  Do I need a channel change script?  I saw some references to those, but thought there'd be some non-custom way to make it work.
[06:08] <yellowking> If I do irsend CH+, it changes both the cable box and mythtv
[06:09] <tgm4883> yellowking, yea you need a channel change script
[06:10] <yellowking> Okay, cool.  Is there a standard reference for that?
[06:11] <tgm4883> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer
[06:15] <yellowking> Great, thanks.
[06:22] <yellowking> guess my serial port doesn't work
[06:28] <yellowking> That script almost works with IRBlaster...sends the numbers, but I don't appear to have an ENTER code for a DCT2000 remote
[06:39] <yellowking> Heh...for me, it's MUSIC, not ENTER!
[06:53] <yellowking> Hmmm...I can set the channel now, but chan up and chan down don't work.
[06:54] <yellowking> And high channel numbers crash my front end!
[07:38] <yellowking> It's well-boogered up now.  Feck it,   I'm going t obed.
[07:55] <yellowking> After messing with the channel changing script, I can't get any video anymore, just static.  I double checked the signal outside of myth tv, and it's good.   Rebooted, checked my capture card, looks good.
[07:58] <yellowking> Removed the channel change script, still static.  Can't "scan for channels" on my input source, seems to crash out and gives me a pop up to run mythfilldatabase
[08:00] <yellowking> Crud, no clue what I broke.
[08:02] <yellowking> Streams still work, it's the input somehow
[08:08] <yellowking> Tried preset tuner to channel 3 and 4, neither works
[08:19] <yellowking> okay.  Was going into to input source, then scanning channels-- but it was giving me a different input source there by default.  Replaced that with the one I'm using, ran the scan with preset tuner to channel 3, and I seem to have video back
[13:44] <rjmunro> Has anyone done any work on better auto detection of config for mythtv?
[13:47] <rjmunro> It seems that you should be able to auto-detect video capture devices, then scan the channels and try to work out where in the world you are, then choose a listing provider based on that.
[16:47] <Davide> Is installing mythtv on regular ubuntu the same thing as mythbuntu?  Are there any advantages to installing mythbuntu?
[16:48] <Zanthus> I've tried doing both, and its just heaps easier using mythbuntu
[16:49] <Davide> what are you missing with mythbuntu?
[16:49] <Davide> Zanthus
[16:50] <Zanthus> and mythbuntu is really cut down, it only includes a xfce gui, firefox, mythtv, a couple of media players, some codecs, a text editor, a gui file manager and that's about it
[16:50] <Zanthus> its certainly not a full featured desktop distro
[16:50] <Davide> can you add those things to it?
[16:51] <Zanthus> yeah, it does come with a gui package manager installed so you can add those extras if you want to
[16:52] <Zanthus> also, the configuration mythbuntu, once you install it, is done through the gui; including adding and removing mythtv modules
[16:52] <Davide> Zanthus, sorry bout the 20 questions but... why was it so difficult installing mythtv from ubuntu? I'm asking becuase I already have ubuntu installed, 8.04, and I just got sound to work on the system after hours of trying...
[16:52] <Davide> Zanthus, I see what about when installing mythtv?
[16:54] <Zanthus> to be honest, it was a while ago that I last tried to set up mythtv manually
[16:54] <Zanthus> from memory it just took a while to get everything working together properly
[16:54] <Zanthus> but I can't remember specific details
[16:56] <Zanthus> I guess if you were to install mythtv on an existing ubuntu installation yourself you would learn more about how it works
[16:56] <Zanthus> if you just want it to work without delving into it too much, mythbuntu would be the way to go
[16:59] <Davide> ok thank you very much Zanthus
[17:01] <Zanthus> no, problem
[17:01] <Zanthus> whoops
[17:01] <Zanthus> minus the comma there
[18:46] <EvilGuru> There is a bug in the Hauppauge remote control lircd config file
[18:46] <EvilGuru> Back/Exit it written as Back/edit
[18:46] <EvilGuru> this results in bad things (tm)
[22:32] <pist0l-fish> hi all, is the mythbuntu website down?
[22:33]  * pist0l-fish is getting an echo timeout :(
[22:33] <superm1> pist0l-fish, ruh roh, it looks like it is :(
[22:33] <superm1> pist0l-fish, were you looking to get an ISO of 9.04?
[22:33] <pist0l-fish> yeah, I was hoping someone here might have the torrent :)
[22:34] <superm1> pist0l-fish, well two options.  you can get the beta from cdimages.mythbuntu.org
[22:34] <superm1> or a daily from cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu
[22:34] <superm1> the dailies have a more improved installer
[22:35] <pist0l-fish> superm1: thank you
[22:35] <superm1> pist0l-fish, no problem.  in the future (when the website is working), do grab betas from there as it gets our counts right.  grabbing them from one of the mirrors like cdimages.mythbuntu.org gets the BW count messed up
[22:36] <pist0l-fish> okay. Is daily-live/current/ the directory i should be looking at ?
[22:36] <superm1> yeah
[22:37] <pist0l-fish> is that just a soft link to 20090411/ or is that a more recent version? (sorry to ask so many questions, just curious)
[22:37] <superm1> it's a soft link
[22:37] <pist0l-fish> superm1: thank you very much for your help
[22:38] <superm1> no problem pist0l-fish
[22:43] <yellowking> LOL...I finally have it all worked through, everything is finally working fine...and now I realize that it wasn't a 70G HD I used...it was a 10G HD!!
[22:43] <superm1> haha
[22:43] <superm1> that would cause a bit of frequent autoexpiration
[23:56] <mythman> Is it possible to run mythbuntu in virtualbox with a PCI Tuner or USB
[23:57] <superm1> mythman, with usb or network tuner sure
[23:57] <superm1> but i've heard video playback is suboptimal
[23:58] <mythman> So back end and USB Tuner should work


[23:58] <hpidcock> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10847 small one to fix a test
[23:59] <hpidcock> wallyworld ^^