[00:06] <sbeattie> cjwatson: what's the rootdelay equivalent for the hardy livecd?
[00:42] <sbeattie> hrm, break=mount seems to be the only way to extend the live media recognization that I can see. On the upside, this behavior on this hardware doesn't appear to be a regression over 8.04.2
[00:43] <sbeattie> (where this behavior==get dropped into busybox by the initramfs)
[04:36] <astronouth7303> how can I hack the netbook installer to install less packages so i can fit the netbook remix into 2GB?
[04:38] <astronouth7303> can I just edit dists/*/*/binary-i386/Packages.gz?
[05:15] <TheMuso> astronouth7303: Unfortunately its not that easy, and it depends on what packages you want to remove.
[05:16] <astronouth7303> it's for a netbook. I *need* firefox, pidgin, skype, and gedit
[05:16] <astronouth7303> and a terminal
[05:16] <TheMuso> Well what don't you need?
[05:17] <astronouth7303> openoffice, evolution
[05:17] <astronouth7303> rhythmbox
[05:17] <astronouth7303> java, maybe
[05:17] <TheMuso> astronouth7303: Unfortunately the people who really know how to do this are not currently around, however if you are around in about 5 to 6 hours, the installer maintainers may be able tgo help you.
[05:17] <astronouth7303> ok
[09:31] <evand> cjwatson: in reviewing the oem-config merge, I noticed the comment at the top of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubiquity/oem-config-merge/annotate/head%3A/bin/oem-config-firstboot .  Couldn't we fix that by using an upstart job with "start on stopped last-good-boot"?
[09:40] <cjwatson> sbeattie: yeah, I don't know if there's any alternative ...
[09:40] <cjwatson> evand: actually we can probably just ditch it, as last-good-boot's been abandoned
[09:40] <cjwatson> which is why I haven't been worrying about that comment recently :)
[09:41] <evand> oh cool, last I had heard we were looking for someone to get it actually working
[09:42] <cjwatson> it'd be interesting to attempt it in grub2
[09:42] <evand> so I take it then that this was a resource problem, not that the problem has magically been solved elsewhere
[09:58] <cjwatson> well, it was sort of not the best place or way to do it anyway
[09:58] <cjwatson> using debconf in the boot process => Keybuk sadface
[09:58] <cjwatson> so I think any replacement for it is not going to have the same problem
[09:59] <evand> gotcha
[10:29] <CIA-8> finish-install: cjwatson * r830 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish-install.d/90console):
[10:29] <CIA-8> finish-install: Adjust serial console handling to cope with upstart 0.6 configuration
[10:29] <CIA-8> finish-install: file paths.
[10:31] <CIA-8> finish-install: cjwatson * r831 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.23ubuntu2
[10:34] <CIA-8> finish-install: cjwatson * r832 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish-install.d/90console): Fix minor mistakes in upstart 0.6 handling.
[10:35] <CIA-8> finish-install: cjwatson * r833 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.23ubuntu3
[10:35] <cjwatson> (whoops)
[11:31] <evand> uh, interesting: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/214541 .  From what I've gleaned by digging through the partman/parted code, that shouldn't ever happen.
[11:36] <cjwatson> versions of libparted1.8-12 and partman-base?
[11:44] <evand> 1.8.8.git.2009.06.03-1ubuntu2 and 131ubuntu1
[11:45] <cjwatson> odd then, as you say that shouldn't happen ...
[11:45] <cjwatson> happy debugging ;-)
[11:45] <evand> heh, indeed
[14:07] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I'd like to patch cdrom-detect so something like cdrom-detect/try-hdd=true can work as expected.
[14:07] <c0nfus3d> Hi All. Can i ask a question related remastersys here?
[14:07] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I figure since someone hasn't already maybe theres a reason
[14:07] <c0nfus3d> ubuntu - remastersys - kde
[14:07] <cjwatson> c0nfus3d: you can ask, but I'm not sure anyone here has relevant expertise
[14:08] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: mostly because it's starting to look like spaghetti code and I kind of think it should be reorganised, but haven't worked out how yet
[14:08] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: (and a number of Debian people reckon you should use hd-media and iso-scan in those circumstances instead)
[14:08] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: ... well, why not use hd-media and iso-scan?
[14:09] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: the problem with booting off the hard disk, of course (and it applies to either of those approaches) is that it tends to completely screw the partitioner
[14:09] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: which is why it isn't something we generally encourage
[14:11] <c0nfus3d> i am trying to customize ubuntu and installed using ubiquity. When i use remastersys to make a live CD, everything works fine, except my desktop settings (wallpaper does not change) - i am using KDE 4
[14:11] <c0nfus3d> after some search i could find that we have to copy the files from the home folder to the /etc/skel. But its not working. Any idea or workaround?
[14:12] <c0nfus3d> this is the list of files - http://imagebin.org/55424
[14:12] <cjwatson> /etc/skel will affect *all* created users
[14:12] <c0nfus3d> yes - but do you know which file i need to change to change my wallpaper?
[14:12] <cjwatson> absolutely no idea :)
[14:12] <cjwatson> that'd be a KDE thing
[14:12] <cjwatson> is /etc/skel being copied at all? it should be
[14:13] <c0nfus3d> it is getting copied - i mean do i have to copy all the files in my home folder to /etc/skel?
[14:13] <cjwatson> surely not, but you'll have to ask KDE folks to find out where the wallpaper preference is stored
[14:13] <c0nfus3d> ok fine, let me try my luck there - thank you so much cjwatson
[14:14] <cjwatson> best to keep /etc/skel as minimal as possible, generally
[14:14] <c0nfus3d> ok i understand - thanks
[14:14] <c0nfus3d> let me try my luck with KDE guys
[14:14] <c0nfus3d> thanks - :)
[14:14] <cjwatson> good luck, sorry I couldn't help more
[14:14] <c0nfus3d> no problem
[14:19] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Are hd-media and iso-scan udebs or something?
[14:20] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, The reason I Want to do it in cdrom-detect is because I want to dd the cdrom to a partition to become a recovery partition
[14:20] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, that way things Just Work (TM)
[14:23] <cjwatson> except for the partitioner, which doesn't work
[14:23] <cjwatson> but feel free to try ;-)
[14:24] <cjwatson> hd-media is an installation method, with its own debian-installer build - it's mostly used for USB sticks but basically you put the kernel and initrd on the filesystem and then dump the .iso straight onto the filesystem as a single file
[14:24] <cjwatson> iso-scan is the main udeb that powers it
[14:25] <cjwatson> other people have done the recovery partition technique, but only with casper-based live CDs, to my knowledge
[14:25] <cjwatson> that's the reason casper has the UUID stuff in it
[14:26] <cjwatson> I exaggerate slightly when I say the partitioner doesn't work. Actually I think it mostly works as long as you make absolutely sure not to touch anything before or including the recovery partition. It has no checking for this, though, so it's very easy to shoot yourself in the foot
[14:31] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, doesn't the installer get loaded into the ramdisk?
[14:32] <cjwatson> the disk is still mounted
[14:32] <cjwatson> for example it still needs it to fetch .debs off; loading all those into memory would be absurd
[14:32] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, wouldn't a casper-based live cd still have the same partitioning issue?
[14:32] <cjwatson> yes. read what I wrote above :)
[14:32] <cjwatson> the people who have done it are just rather cautiously stepping around the problems
[14:39] <cjwatson> patching cdrom-detect should be straightforward - just grep for try-usb in its source and do the same kinds of things
[14:39] <cjwatson> list-devices is in the debian-installer-utils source package
[14:39] <cjwatson> it should already have the support you need but you'll probably want to look at its interface
[14:40]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:41] <rgreening> evand... huuuuuuuullllllllllooooooooo :)
[14:41] <rgreening> evand: got good news?
[14:42] <evand> rgreening: I've separated the main binary again
[14:42] <rgreening> hehe. :)
[14:42] <evand> still working on the windows and devkit backends
[14:42] <evand> help welcome there
[14:42] <evand> fighting parted to the death at the moment
[14:42] <rgreening> do you have any pointers to docs for devicekit-disks? I'm not familiar with it.
[14:42] <evand> trying to find the source of a bug that increasingly looks like a local issue
[14:43] <rgreening> heh
[14:43] <evand> there's a link to the API in the devicekit-disks backend
[14:43] <rgreening> build a dep and push to a PPA so we can test
[14:43] <rgreening> thats' why I got packaging fixed so I could test on other systems
[14:43] <rgreening> :)
[14:44] <evand> http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/DeviceKit-disks/
[14:44] <rgreening> evand: what was the branch again? cleanup?
[14:44] <evand> yup
[14:44] <rgreening> kk
[14:44] <rgreening> evand: let me read up on it... and get back to you...
[14:46] <evand> sure thing
[15:02] <cudev> Can anyone here help me with a preseed install?
[15:02] <cudev> I can't manage to preseed the one question:  "unmount partitions that are in use?"
[15:03] <kim0> Hi, I'm trying to preseed an installation with extra debs. Unfortunately one of the debs require an interactive step (Do you wanna build kernel module? Yes/No)
[15:04] <kim0> Anyway around this ?
[15:05] <cudev> On an installed system, you can run:
[15:05] <cudev> debconf-get-selections --installer > file; debconf-get-selections >> file
[15:05] <cudev> To get a list of all possible questions, from what I understand
[15:05] <cudev> I found "partman-base partman/unmount_active boolean false", but it doesn't seem to fix my problem.
[15:06] <cudev> I'm trying to preseed an installation from a usb key, and I can't get around it asking me if I want to unmount the usb key. Obviously I don't, because I'm installing from it.
[15:07] <kim0> cudev: I'm no expert .. but booting with DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 and see'ing the ALT+F4 screen might help you understand which variable needs to be preseeded
[15:08] <cudev> kim0: thanks, I'll give it a try to start
[15:09] <kim0> cudev: any idea how to suppress an interactive deb installation :D
[15:09] <cudev> Can you try running those commands I listed? I don't know how, but it might be in there
[15:10] <cudev> The output is not that long, and they are all commented as to what they do
[15:10] <cjwatson> I wouldn't actually recommend using debconf-get-selections --installer as a source
[15:10] <cjwatson> it's better to use the installation guide
[15:10] <cudev> Where is that?
[15:10] <cjwatson> help.ubuntu.com, fairly clearly linked I think
[15:10] <cjwatson> debconf-get-selections --installer includes a *lot* of stuff that shouldn't be preseeded, and at the moment unfortunately there's no easy way for non-experts to distinguish
[15:11] <cjwatson> cudev: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:11] <cudev> OK, but the list at that site doesn't have the option to remove the prompt I am getting
[15:11] <kim0> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization ?
[15:11] <cjwatson> that said, in kim0's case, debconf-get-selections --installer is probably one reasonable way to find the question that's being asked
[15:11] <cudev> kim0: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/amd64/appendix-preseed.html
[15:11] <cudev> Or change to whatever system you are trying to install
[15:12] <cjwatson> alternatively, you can boot the installer with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer, and you'll get a big pile of output in syslog that should include the question being asked
[15:12] <kim0> cjwatson: the question is virtualbox package asking if it should compile kernel modules .. would I expect that to show up in debconf-get-selections output ??
[15:12] <cjwatson> it ought to, but I can probably just answer that one - one moment
[15:12] <kim0> oh cool !
[15:12]  * kim0 anxiously waiting :D
[15:13] <evand> cjwatson: entirely my fault and ultimately an utter waste of time.  I built the package on 9.04, it linked against libparted1.8-10.  Building on Karmic fixes it.
[15:13] <cjwatson> kim0: what version of Ubuntu?
[15:13] <kim0> cjwatson: 8.04
[15:13] <cjwatson> evand: heh :) ok
[15:14] <kim0> cjwatson: and the latest virtualbox-3.0 deb
[15:14] <cudev> btw, I was installing on Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit server
[15:15] <cjwatson> kim0: ... where does that package come from?
[15:15] <kim0> cjwatson: sun repos .. it's the closed source one
[15:15] <cjwatson> it's not in our archive as far as I can see
[15:15] <cjwatson> URL?
[15:15] <kim0> ok moment
[15:15] <cjwatson> I need to look at it to answer this question, you see
[15:15] <kim0> cjwatson: that's the apt repo
[15:15] <kim0> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jaunty non-free
[15:16] <kim0> in my case hardy not jaunty
[15:17] <cjwatson> cudev: a workaround is 'd-i partman/filter_mounted boolean false' (and debconf-get-selections --installer wouldn't have told you this, I don't think). However, IMO it's a bug that you're seeing this question in the first place. Is your installer image modified at all from standard Ubuntu?
[15:18] <cudev> Yes, I am installing from a flash drive
[15:19] <kim0> cjwatson: Is that it? => db_get virtualbox/module-compilation-allowed
[15:19] <cudev> And I ripped open the initrd file so that I can place the preseed script right in it
[15:19] <cudev> Thus, I can bypass the language and keyboard questions
[15:19] <cudev> At least, that's as I recall
[15:20] <cudev> I made it about a year ago for 8.04, and now I am doing it again in the same way to get it working for 9.04
[15:25] <cudev> I did it from a tutorial I found, and it worked fine for 8.04. The USB key contains:
[15:25] <cudev> install folder, syslinux folder, recipe file, the iso, and a ldlinux.sys executable
[15:25] <cudev> The install folder contains the linuz file and a modified initrd.gz file, and the syslinux folder is basically a copy of the iso's isolinux file
[15:25] <cjwatson> kim0: still looking, one moment
[15:25] <cjwatson> cudev: you could of course just preseed those questions on the kernel command line :)
[15:26] <astronouth7303> how can I hack the netbook installer to install less packages so i can fit the netbook remix into 2GB?
[15:26] <astronouth7303> can I just edit dists/*/*/binary-i386/Packages.gz?
[15:26] <cjwatson> cudev: I'd like to see a DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer syslog from your preseeded installation attempt - make sure you set a non-secret password if you're preseeding that, as it'll show up in the log
[15:27] <cjwatson> astronouth7303: I suppose you could but that's horribly horribly roundabout. why not just tell pkgsel/tasksel to install some different set of packages?
[15:27] <astronouth7303> ... how would i do that?
[15:27] <cjwatson> astronouth7303: you'd have to get round authentication warnings if you edited Packages.gz and in general it'll be an utter pain to maintain
[15:27] <cudev> Alright, I'm working on getting some debug output now, I'll be back later
[15:27] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html, search for pkgsel
[15:27] <astronouth7303> i just need to do this once
[15:28] <cjwatson> if you're doing it once, all the more reason not to edit Packages.gz. It'll take you ages to get it right, trust me
[15:28] <cjwatson> it'd take *me* ages to get it right
[15:28] <cjwatson> compare with whatever preseed file in /preseed/ on the disk it is that it's using
[15:29] <cjwatson> /preseed/netbook-remix.seed, I think
[15:29] <cjwatson> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect mobile-netbook-remix
[15:29] <cjwatson> so you could take that out and replace it with either some smaller task, or just a giant list of packages in pkgsel/include
[15:29] <cjwatson> (d-i pkgsel/include string ...)
[15:32] <kim0> cjwatson: Would you by any chance have a degraded raid1 setup recipe for hardy :)
[15:33] <astronouth7303> now i have to figure out what set of packages is installed...
[15:34] <cjwatson> kim0: not my field, I'm afraidi
[15:34] <cjwatson> afraid
[15:34] <cjwatson> kirkland might know
[15:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: kim0: howdy
[15:35] <kim0> kirkland: hi there :)
[15:35] <kirkland> kim0: what do you mean by "recipe" ?
[15:35] <kim0> um .. in a preseed file
[15:35] <cjwatson> kim0: so yes, virtualbox/module-compilation-allowed seems to be the right thing to set: 'virtualbox-3.0 virtualbox/module-compilation-allowed boolean false'
[15:35] <kim0> for a degraded raid1 installation
[15:35] <kirkland> kim0: i do not, however, mathiaz does
[15:35] <cjwatson> according to the templates file in that package
[15:35] <kirkland> kim0: ask mathiaz in #ubuntu-server
[15:36] <kirkland> kim0: i generally test that by hand
[15:36] <kim0> kirkland: thanks a lot
[15:36] <kim0> cjwatson: awesome .. thanks a million
[15:37] <cjwatson> kirkland: I'm curious about that testing, incidentally, given that I found a "greq" typo in mdadm recently that had been there since pre-hardy ;-)
[15:38] <cjwatson> hmm, no, can't have been pre-hardy, intrepid maybe
[15:39] <cudev> cjwatson: I've got the syslog file here. This is without trying the workaround you suggested
[15:39] <cjwatson> but it looked as though it would never ask the degraded question during the partitioner, only (at best) later
[15:42] <cjwatson> cudev: sorry, I can't do DCC
[15:42] <cjwatson> cudev: paste.ubuntu.com, perhaps?
[15:42] <cjwatson> I particularly can't do DCC because you're advertising a private IP address, presumably behind a NAT ;-)
[15:42] <cjwatson> <IP_ADDRESS> here is not the same as <IP_ADDRESS> at your end ...
[15:43] <cudev> Fair enough
[15:44] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/214825/plain/ is a script I found under a rock somewhere to post files to paste.ubuntu.com, BTW
[15:45] <cjwatson> (and I've asked our sysadmins to add a file upload widget, so that you don't have to cut-and-paste big chunks
[15:48] <cjwatson> oh, bah, iso-scan puts its mount on a different mountpoint
[15:49] <cjwatson> cudev: can I just see /proc/mounts, to make sure of my fix?
[15:49] <cjwatson> from the running installer
[15:49] <cudev> Oh, I already restarted the installer to attempt your fix
[15:50] <astronouth7303> how necessary is scim?
[15:50] <cudev> I can tell you in a second if it worked
[15:51] <cjwatson> astronouth7303: not especially unless you need input support for a non-Latin-script language
[15:52] <astronouth7303> ok
[15:53] <cudev> cjwatson: the workaround seems to have worked. Thanks a lot! I've been trying at this for awhile now
[15:54] <cudev> Was it a hardware thing then, is that why it was asking me that when it should not have?
[15:54] <cudev> Also, where did that work around come from? You said that I wouldn't have found it in debconf-get-selections. Is there a more complete list somewhere?
[15:54] <cjwatson> the source, I'm afraid
[15:55] <cjwatson> I'm not actually sure yet why it's happening, my initial guess looks as though it may be wrong
[15:55] <cudev> I assume that the workaround you gave me just doesn't scan for mounted devices. Is that correct?
[15:55] <cjwatson> it's unlikely to be a hardware thing, but could be related to the particular mode of installation in use here
[15:55] <cjwatson> that's right
[15:56] <cudev> ugh. Looking at the source was going to be my next step if the awesome people here couldn't help me.
[15:56] <cjwatson> it's one of those things that I haven't documented because it's strictly an installer bug workaround
[15:56] <cjwatson> and I'd rather fix the bugs :-)
[16:17] <astronouth7303> odd. even though I changed the packages in preseed, the disk space wanted by the partitioner is the same<PHONE_NUMBER>B)
[16:18] <cjwatson> oh, I didn't know you were talking about that
[16:18] <cjwatson> what partitioning mode?
[16:19] <astronouth7303> custom
[16:19] <cjwatson> controlled by a preseed file?
[16:19] <astronouth7303> I just thought that it might be smart enough to calculate how much space was needed based on what was installec
[16:19] <astronouth7303> no, i just do it by hand
[16:19] <cjwatson> I don't know of anything in the partitioner that hardcodes that size
[16:20] <cjwatson> although it certainly isn't smart enough to calculate that - it doesn't really have enough information readily available
[16:20] <cjwatson> can you clarify what you mean by "the disk space wanted by the partitioner", then?
[16:21] <astronouth7303> when I partition, it gives me a warning about root not being big enough (it's 1998MB). After removing openoffice, evolution, scim, and extraneous video drivers, that number didn't change
[16:22] <cjwatson> oh, I can believe that; it would speed things up if you could give me the exact text of the warning so I can search for it and explain how to turn it off
[16:22] <cjwatson> that number is not related to packages installed
[16:23] <astronouth7303> i don't care that much; it's just one of those oddities
[16:23] <cjwatson> I do :-
[16:23] <cjwatson> :-)
[16:23] <cjwatson> I care about anything that causes people to ask questions
[16:23] <astronouth7303> next time I run the installer, i'll let you know
[16:23]  * cjwatson looks around to try to find it
[16:25] <cjwatson> oh, that'll be ubiquity, won't it
[16:25] <cjwatson> astronouth7303: graphical installer?
[16:25] <astronouth7303> yup. off the netbook remix
[16:25] <cjwatson> damn, sorry, in that case I was leading you up the garden path a bit
[16:25] <cjwatson> that warning is based on the size of the live filesystem; pkgsel/tasksel is irrelevant
[16:26] <astronouth7303> ah
[16:26] <cjwatson> you just need to take the live filesystem and remove anything you don't want from it
[16:26] <cjwatson> sorry, I was thinking that UNR still used the text-based installer, which is of course wrong
[16:26] <cjwatson> (it used to, I think)
[16:26] <astronouth7303> ... that requires remastering the disc, doesn't it?
[16:26] <cjwatson> right
[16:26] <cjwatson> but that's unavoidable - the graphical installer operates by copying the live filesystem to disk
[16:27] <astronouth7303> oh
[16:27] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[16:27] <astronouth7303> yeah, #ubuntu linked me yesterday
[16:28] <cjwatson> actually, in current versions there might be a bit of a get-out
[16:28] <astronouth7303> hm?
[16:28] <cjwatson> except that there's no way to preseed away the partitions-too-small warning
[16:28] <astronouth7303> i can hit ok
[16:29] <cjwatson> but the installer will remove any packages that are listed in /cdrom/casper/filesystem.manifest but not in /cdrom/casper/filesystem.manifest-desktop, and in recent versions of ubiquity it actually skips copying their files to disk
[16:29] <cjwatson> so if you're very very careful you can just strip out files from /cdrom/casper/filesystem.manifest-desktop - that's still a remastering but a much simpler one
[16:30] <cjwatson> it won't necessarily help you out much if you get dependencies wrong, though, so you'll have to be careful
[16:30] <cjwatson> i.e. it expects the list in manifest-desktop to include all the dependencies
[16:30] <astronouth7303> well, this is off a flash drive, so if I don't have to rebuild the filesystem, that's good
[16:30] <astronouth7303> i'm only removing stuff, not adding things
[16:30] <cjwatson> evand: really we ought to make ubiquity/partition-too-small sensitive to file blacklisting, not that that's easy :)
[16:31] <astronouth7303> and if i screw it up, i'll have aptitude fix it after the fact
[16:31] <cjwatson> we'd have to calculate the blacklist *even earlier*, and I suspect there are some apt-install commands that happen after that point ...
[16:31] <cjwatson> right - I think it'll probably tolerate minor screwups, basically by refusing to remove those packages
[16:35] <astronouth7303> just in case, is there an installer that uses the preseed package information?
[16:36] <astronouth7303> (also, that installation attempt failed - not enough disk space)
[16:36] <cjwatson> I don't think UNR does d-i-based builds any more, sorry
[16:37] <evand> cjwatson: indeed, quite the chicken and egg situation
[16:37] <cjwatson> we could move those earlier, maybe to commit.d scripts or something
[16:37] <cjwatson> oh, check.d runs before commit.d doesn't it
[16:37] <cjwatson> bah
[16:40] <cjwatson> cudev: I think I sort of see what might be going on here; looks like the mount-filtering code isn't smart enough to deal with loop mounts
[16:40] <cjwatson> cudev: could you please file a bug on partman-base about this?
[16:44] <astronouth7303> is there anything core in UNR that uses mono?
[16:45] <cjwatson> shouldn't think so, nothing core in Ubuntu uses mono, basically peripheral apps
[16:47] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/mobile.jaunty/rdepends/ALL/libmono0 (useful but a bit hard to read without practice) says that it's just f-spot and tomboy
[16:50] <astronouth7303> cool
[16:55] <astronouth7303> (take 5 on the installer)
[17:12] <astronouth7303> wow, i remove a few packages and suddenly it takes a while to calculate files
[17:18] <astronouth7303> i could be wrong, but i think it hung at 15% "Calculating files to skip copying..."
[17:19] <cjwatson> that step can be a bit slow; I optimised it as far as I could in 9.04
[17:20] <cjwatson> it has a fundamentally fairly hard job to do
[17:20] <astronouth7303> ok, so it's ok if it doesn't budge from 15?
[17:20] <cjwatson> basically it's testing whether each of the packages in turn are safely removable, in order to try to construct the maximal set of things to remove
[17:20] <cjwatson> well, it should budge eventually
[17:20] <astronouth7303> ok
[17:20] <cjwatson> but if you've removed a lot of stuff, it gets quadratically more expensive :-(
[17:20] <astronouth7303> oh
[17:21] <astronouth7303> O(n**2) is not good
[17:21] <cjwatson> better than O(2^n) :-)
[17:21] <cudev> cjwatson: I'm back. You still want me to file that bug?
[17:22] <cjwatson> cudev: yes please
[17:23] <cudev> k
[17:24] <cudev> At https://bugs.launchpad.net/, correct?
[17:24] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/+filebug
[17:24] <CIA-8> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1120 ubuntu/ (9 files in 6 dirs):
[17:24] <CIA-8> debian-installer: Disable GTK frontend for now; the GDK directfb backend needs some work
[17:24] <CIA-8> debian-installer: in the current development series.
[17:27] <cudev> cjwatson: should this be related to bug #276656, or start a new bug?
[17:27] <cudev> As I was saying :)
[17:27] <cudev> That's marked as fixed though .. reopen, or new?
[17:29] <cjwatson> new bug, please
[17:29] <cjwatson> this is a special case
[17:29] <cjwatson> it's specifically the case where /cdrom is a loop-mount from a file on a certain filesystem, rather than being a mount of that filesystem directly
[17:30] <cjwatson> in fact you can pretty much just say that in the bug if you want :) it's just good if you're the submitter rather than me
[17:31] <cudev> gotcha
[17:35] <cudev> Done.   Bug #397901: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/397901>
[17:46] <astronouth7303> cjwatson: i think take 5 worked. It got past copying files w/o running out of space
[17:48] <cjwatson> cool
[17:48] <cjwatson> cudev: thanks
[18:03] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, superm1 mentioned that he thought that there were some installer changes required to support grub 2. I was wondering if you could shed any light on that.
[18:04] <cjwatson> the changes we made ages ago?
[18:04] <cjwatson> if you're talking about hardy, I'm sure it needs all kinds of things, I wouldn't recommend it myself
[18:04] <cjwatson> grub-installer is fairly tightly integrated
[18:05] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, So grub-installer for jaunty should be fine to handle grub2?
[18:06] <cjwatson> sort of, it has known bugs
[18:06] <cjwatson> grub2 in jaunty was for experimental purposes only
[18:06] <cjwatson> I seriously wouldn't recommend shipping it on production systems yet
[18:07] <cjwatson> I have a spec assigned to me to sort it all out for karmic
[18:08] <cjwatson> if you insist on doing it in jaunty, you should probably scan the grub-installer and grub2 changelogs for interesting fixes
[18:17] <astronouth7303> cjwatson: thank you, ubuntu is now installed in <2GB. Need to tweak it down more.
[18:18] <astronouth7303> Why does stuff depend on openoffice?
[18:19] <cjwatson> language-support-* you mean? that's being refactored in karmic
[18:19] <astronouth7303> not just that
[18:19] <cjwatson> up until now we haven't had a better way to say "these packages are needed if you have these other packages installed and are using this language"
[18:19] <cjwatson> well I imagine it's a different reason in each case then ...
[18:19] <astronouth7303> there are relations between thunderbird, openoffice, and evolution
[18:19] <astronouth7303> specifically with language and docs
[18:20] <cjwatson> yes, there are
[18:20] <cjwatson> well, actually, I rather doubt that anything thunderbirdish depends on openoffice.org
[18:20] <cjwatson> I think you might have to back that one up ;-)
[18:21] <astronouth7303> i'd have to dig out the dependencies again
[18:21] <cjwatson> I can't find any evidence of that. language-support-en (and friends) depend on all of the things you mentioned
[18:21] <cjwatson> so in your case, you probably just want to rip out language-support-* in practice
[18:22] <astronouth7303> true
[18:22] <astronouth7303> i can probably pull out thunderbird, too
[18:22] <astronouth7303> evolution can't be completely removed without screwing with the desktop env, as it turns out
[18:23] <astronouth7303> compiz will be interesting
[18:25] <cjwatson> I thought UNR defaulted to maximus
[18:25] <astronouth7303> it does
[18:25] <astronouth7303> but compiz is still installed
[18:25] <astronouth7303> maximus replaces compiz?
[18:26] <cjwatson> they both implement window management
[18:26] <cjwatson> neither replaces the other as such
[18:26] <astronouth7303> well, all i know is that my computer can't handle all these fades
[18:40] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, What generally generates /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume?
[20:10] <kim0> Hi .. Is there some way to list the loaded udebs inside the installer ?
[20:39] <devil> messed up my partitons...http://pastebin.com/d6bfdffdc
[21:09] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: base-installer
[21:09] <cjwatson> kim0: they're in /var/lib/dpkg/status
[21:27] <kim0> cjwatson: thanks .. it does show that the raid module is installed .. but it's still erroring out
[21:28] <kim0> cjwatson: syslog mentions the multiraid line .. as the last line before it gave an error
[21:29] <cjwatson> err, I'll need a bit more exact detail than that if you expect me to debug it :)
[21:29] <cjwatson> developers tend to really hate being given paraphrased error messages ;-)
[21:29] <kim0> cjwatson: anyway I can copy that syslog out of the box ?
[21:29] <cjwatson> anna-install openssh-client-udeb
[21:29] <cjwatson> then you'll have scp
[21:29] <kim0> ok
[21:32] <kim0> cjwatson: I pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/215068/ ... Thanks for taking a look
[21:41] <cjwatson> kim0: I need to see your preseed file as well
[21:41] <cjwatson> please try to put it up in a way that preserves things like spacing
[21:42] <kim0> cjwatson: paste.ubuntu.com as text preserves right
[21:42] <cjwatson> not sure about spaces at the ends of lines, but give it a try
[21:42] <cjwatson> if I can't work it out from that, I'll tell you
[21:43] <kim0> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/215072/
[21:44] <cjwatson> kim0: so, doesn't look as if I can tell from that; I think you have a space at the end of a line or something and it's confusing it
[21:44] <kim0> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/215076/
[21:44] <kim0> cjwatson: vim shows end of lines as $ now
[21:45] <kim0> that should help eh
[21:45] <cjwatson> kim0: ok, line 13
[21:45] <cjwatson> get rid of those spaces
[21:45] <cjwatson> you're on 8.04, right? this is bug 245256, fixed in later releases
[21:46] <kim0> cjwatson: OMG :)
[21:46]  * kim0 testing
[21:49] <kim0> cjwatson: You are da man :D
[21:49] <kim0> cjwatson: this consumed me almost 2 full days of head banging
[21:49] <kim0> cjwatson: thanks a zillion man
[21:50] <cjwatson> cool, sorry about that bug
[21:50] <cjwatson> I agree that whitespace sensitivity can get a bit confusing ...
[21:50] <kim0> It's great that I know about that now
[21:50] <kim0> cjwatson: Yeah
[21:51] <kim0> one wouldn't expect this really
[21:51] <kim0> perfect
[22:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: do you know if umenu in hardy is version sensitive too?  Only I still get the invalid cd but now if I browse it I can run wubi which I couldn't yesterday
[22:42] <davmor2> it= the cd
[22:51] <cjwatson> sorry, I don't
[22:52] <cjwatson> I grepped all of wubi for 8.04.2, if there's anything else then it's something more complicated that (a) I'm not familiar with (b) I probably won't know how to fix
[22:52] <cjwatson> needs somebody more familiar with wubi than I :)
[22:52] <davmor2> cjwatson: wubi is working fine now when you fire it up
[22:53] <davmor2> I'll send a mail to xivulon and evand then
[22:54] <davmor2> thanks anyway :)


[07:50] <mup> PR snapd#7271 opened: many: generalize assertstate.Batch to asserts.Batch, have assertstate.AddBatch <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7271>
[12:22] <mup> Issue core18#137 opened: [Suggestion] Make the motd writable <Created by Dragon8oy> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/issue/137>


[05:23] <Mirv> robru: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/libfriends/+bug/1231260
[05:26] <robru> Mirv, I think it's an infrastructural problem? I have no idea what could possibly be causing that. i haven't been able to reproduce the issue locally. can you poke at it a little bit today?
[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[05:29] <robru> pitti, morning!
[05:31] <Mirv> robru: it only happens with libfriends, but libfriends itself hasn't had commits so no idea where it could come from. I'll update the bug anyhow to reflect the fact.
[05:32] <Mirv> robru: I wonder if it's anything like tests using network or such..
[05:32] <pitti> hey robru, how are you?
[05:32] <Mirv> robru: the webops already gave process list on a hanging machine https://pastebin.canonical.com/98017/plain/
[05:32] <jibel> Good morning
[05:32] <robru> pitti, alright... woke up feeling quite groggy but much better now. and you?
[05:34] <pitti> robru: quite okay; first Taekwondo training yesterday after three weeks (QA sprint/plumbers), so feeling a bit "ouch", too :)
[05:34] <robru> pitti, hah, nice
[05:35] <robru> Mirv, yeah, i don't really understand it. it uses 'live' dbus but all dbus services are mocked heavily, so there should be no network traffic happening or anything like that. I'm EOD but I'll check that process list a bit more closely tomorrow
[05:35] <Mirv> robru: yeah, I'll at least see that cu2d doesn't get stalled. thanks.
[05:36] <robru> pitti, Mirv ok, g'night ;-)
[05:36] <Mirv> robru: good night!
[05:37] <Mirv> pitti: packaging changes ack! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6157465/ - it's a more fine grained .install file that would fail on --fail-missing more often, since now there was a bug where Pickers/ were omitted
[05:40] <pitti> Mirv: why does it need to enumerate all individual files now?
[05:40] <pitti> Mirv: do some of these files go into different binary packages?
[05:46] <Mirv> pitti: I guess they want to prevent similar thing from happening in the future - ie. they make a typo in some of the makefiles, something stops from being installed but dh --fail-missing doesn't catch it since there's /* used
[05:46] <Mirv> pitti: no, they same in the same package
[05:47] <pitti> Mirv: hmm; that seems a bit dubious to me, as it makes maintenance unnecessarily harder in the normal case
[05:47] <pitti> and this only guards against "lucky" typos, if you typo file names etc. it won't help
[05:47] <pitti> there's (binary) debdiff and autopkgtests to guard against those
[05:48] <pitti> Mirv: so, not a fan, and it's not common packaging practice, and I don't see it actually helping much
[05:48] <Mirv> pitti: right, I suggested the sdk team already to add after-packaging tests to check various contents
[05:48] <pitti> well, one would hope that they actually *test* their packages before a MP?
[05:49] <Mirv> pitti: yes, that has been a popular topic in the past weeks, testing and how it should/could be done
[05:50] <Mirv> all autopilot tests passed on both it and various apps, since no-one uses the component that went missing yet
[05:53] <pitti> Laney: not updating gobject-introspection in Debian yet, as it should go together with glib 2.38; will that go to unstable soon? (anything which is known not to be backwards compatible with GNOME 3.8 components?)
[05:53] <pitti> I'm not aware of any compatibility breakers
[05:56] <Mirv> I filed now a bug against ubuntu-ui-toolkit for them to add some sort of autopkgtest to test the contained components
[08:03] <Laney> pitti: not that I know of, just didn't want to get in the way
[08:04] <Laney> pitti: oh, wait, there were some build failures
[08:04] <Laney> p.s. morning
[08:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney, seb128
[08:05] <seb128> hey didrocks Laney pitti
[08:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ?
[08:06] <Laney> pitti: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=glib2.0&suite=experimental (ignore ppc)
[08:06] <Laney> hello seb128 didrocks!
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: bien occupé, mais ça va, et toi?
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, je vais bien, merci, et toi ?
[08:06] <pitti> oh argh
[08:06] <Laney> ich habe keine ahnung
[08:07] <pitti> je vais bien, merci ! j'ai les muscles endolores après le premier Taekwondo hier, mais c'est bien :)
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, c'était la rentrée ?
[08:08]  * seb128 needs to figure out what to do as exercice this season
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: non, je suis de retour :)
[08:08] <Laney> always climbing
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, ah ok ;-)
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: J'aime le badminton aussi
[08:09] <seb128> oui, c'est bien comme sport
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, I never tried climbing, sound like it could be fun, though I fear it wouldn't move enough to my taste
[08:10]  * seb128 is pondering tennis
[08:10] <seb128> or going back swimming
[08:10] <Laney> ah, it's not really like those I guess
[08:11] <Laney> might bring my shoes and go in Oak
[08:11] <Laney> http://www.touchstoneclimbing.com/gwpower-co/tour
[08:12] <pitti> ah, messieurs iront à Oakland pour le sprint ?
[08:13] <seb128> oui
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, tu vas nous manquer
[08:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:14] <seb128> czajkowski, howdy
[08:14] <seb128> how are you today?
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: Julien me demande, mais c'est trop de voyage
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: and we already have something planned for the long weekend at that time
[08:15] <seb128> ok
[08:15] <seb128> next time I guess
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, I'm going to see you next w.e anyway ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: oui !
[08:15] <czajkowski> seb128: not bad it's raining over here in Dublin so feel at home :)
[08:15] <seb128> lol
[09:26] <Laney> seb128: feel free to self approve pot updates IMO
[09:26] <seb128> Laney, good point, thanks ;-)
[09:56] <Laney> Someone try this please
[09:56] <Laney> Open nautilus, navigate to /usr/share/backgrounds
[09:56] <Laney> crashes here (with all the wallpaper packages installed)
[09:56] <seb128> Laney, wfm, but I don't have all the wallpaper packages installed
[09:56] <seb128> e.g I only have the saucy set
[09:57] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1231352
[09:57] <ubot2`> Laney: Error: launchpad bug 1231352 not found
[09:57] <Laney> once retraced etc
[09:57] <seb128> k
[09:57]  * seb128 looks at e.u.c
[09:57] <seb128> didn't open that for a while
[09:58] <Laney> somehow that still feels like a black hole to me
[09:58] <seb128> how so?
[09:58] <Laney> launchpad bugs seem more useful / more likely to get fixed
[09:58] <Laney> probably just me
[09:58] <seb128> they are more useful
[09:58] <seb128> but e.u.c helps to estimate what issues are more frequent than others
[09:59] <seb128> e.g where to start
[10:09] <Laney> Hmm
[10:09] <Laney> can't pick a background
[10:09] <Laney> well, can pick it, doesn't get applied
[10:11] <seb128> Laney, on the device or on the desktop? it works for me on the device with 64 (yesterday's image) ... I just upgraded, let me try with 65
[10:11] <Laney> device
[10:11] <Laney> I don't see in the code where it's updated
[10:11] <seb128> for me it gets applied to the lock screen/greeter and to the background
[10:12] <Laney> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/background$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri
[10:12] <Laney> 'file:///usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/adwaita-timed.xml'
[10:12] <seb128> shrug, doesn't work today
[10:13] <seb128> Laney, we got http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/372 in recently, not sure if that's creating issues
[10:14]  * seb128 tries a revert
[10:14] <Laney> well, nothing sets pictureUri on the background gsettings object
[10:14] <Laney> so I don't know how it could have ever worked
[10:14] <Laney> (never tried before on a device)
[10:15] <seb128> Laney, calling me a liar? ;-)
[10:15] <Laney> wait
[10:15] <Laney> I found it
[10:15] <seb128> it was working yesterday for me
[10:15] <Laney> there's a hidden Connections
[10:15] <seb128> I've a custom background on the device atm
[10:15] <Laney> no, trying to debug :P
[10:19] <seb128> Laney, downgrading content-hub fixes it
[10:19] <seb128> KENNNNN
[10:19] <Laney> haha
[10:19] <Laney> just as he sneaks away
[10:19] <Laney> even with the u-s-s change?
[10:20] <seb128> yes
[10:20] <seb128> I'm running u-s-s trunk
[10:20] <Laney> i seoke
[10:20] <Laney> erm
[10:21] <Laney> that's either "i see" or "ok"
[10:21] <Laney> seb128: I guess check with gusch
[10:22] <seb128> lol
[10:22] <seb128> yeah
[10:25] <seb128> Laney, pitti: is there anything blocking to land the systemd side of the fixes for the tz-/etc-ro issue?
[10:26] <pitti> seb128: it seems this balloned from "teach timedated to get along with that" to "completely change how we handle /etc" :(
[10:26] <Laney> yeah I'm not sure how it got blocked :-/
[10:26] <pitti> seb128: so now I'm faced with "rewrite initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch for the new method" or "don't use /etc/writable/, but a specific /etc/time-writable/ directory" to avoid the above
[10:27] <pitti> but the latter has the disadvantage that we'll almost surely need this approach for other files in /etc/ as well
[10:27] <pitti> this "mount individual files" approach is inherently mis-designed
[10:27] <seb128> right
[10:27] <pitti> but we don't seem to have any way to clean up mistakes there in upgrades
[10:27] <seb128> we are not going to get to a clean solution for v1 anyway
[10:27] <seb128> oh, right, upgrades :-(
[10:28] <pitti> (like, the addition of mounts for /etc/timezone and friends, which got rejected in MP but uploaded anyway)
[10:28] <pitti> so, this is a bit of a 'orrible mess
[10:29] <pitti> so, if this is OMGurgent, I can change the patches for only putting the timezone files into /etc/time-writable/, and aggravate the upgrade problem in the future
[10:29] <pitti> as realistically I won't have time to understand and change the full initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch code
[10:31] <seb128> pitti, it's not super urgent, but having it fixed this week or early next week would be nice
[10:32] <seb128> pitti, I can try to talk to slangasek to see if they can help/do the initramfs side
[10:32] <pitti> that would help, yes
[10:32] <pitti> as a fallback I can do the "use specific directory"
[10:35] <Laney> then a side-migration from this to the final area :-/
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks, I'm going to talk with Steve when he gets online ... do we have a summary somewhere, of what we need from them?
[10:36] <pitti> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1227520/comments/23
[10:36] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:46] <seb128> Laney, do you get that nautilus segfault every time you enter /usr/share/backgrounds?
[10:47] <seb128> Laney, oh, the second seems different ... if you copy /usr/share/backgrounds/edubuntu_default.png somewhere else, do you hit the bug as well?
[10:47] <Laney> I found some comments that it was due to nautilus-dropbox
[10:47] <Laney> so I removed that and now it seems I can enter it on the laptop
[10:47] <seb128> do you use that?
[10:47] <Laney> the second crash I reported was from the other machine which I don't think has it
[10:47]  * Laney checks
[10:48] <seb128> Laney, the second one seems to not like the edubuntu image, let me try to get that one here
[10:48] <Laney> yeah
[10:48] <Laney> I guess the first one is invalid
[10:48]  * Laney does that
[10:49] <seb128> Laney, the first one is a dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1193522
[10:49] <Laney> yeah, found that one
[10:49] <Laney> that's what gave me the clue
[10:49] <seb128> darkxst said by then that dropbox needs to be rebuilt with the new gtk, I don't get why
[10:50] <seb128> that would suggest gtk 3.8 is abi incompatible with 3.6
[10:50] <Laney> I installed dropbox from the repo and it works now
[10:50] <seb128> well, anyway, I pinged jcastro about it a few weeks ago to know if he had some contact at dropbox to ask them to rebuild it/have a look
[10:50] <Laney> probably the official binary does something weird
[10:50] <seb128> he said he was going to send an email
[10:50] <seb128> but I didn't check what happened since I'm back
[10:51] <seb128> jcastro, ^ did you get any reply?
[10:51] <seb128> Laney, I'm pondering making nautilus conflicts with their dropbox package
[10:52] <Laney> just putting edubuntu_default in its own directory is enough to make nautilus segfault here
[10:53] <Laney> wtf it's 0 bytes
[10:53] <highvoltage> weird
[10:53] <seb128> Laney, it's a symlink
[10:53] <Laney> ah yes I copied it
[10:54] <Laney> no
[10:54] <Laney> the png isn't a symlink
[10:54] <Laney> dpkg doesn't know about it, did I break that?
[10:54] <seb128> edubuntu_default.jpg -> Mr._Tau_and_The_Tree_-_by_TJ.jpg
[10:54] <seb128> here
[10:54] <Laney> crash is in .png though
[10:54] <seb128> ubuntu-wallpapers-saucy: /usr/share/backgrounds/Mr._Tau_and_The_Tree_-_by_TJ.jpg
[10:55] <seb128> weird
[10:55] <Laney> so
[10:55] <Laney> mkdir ~/foo; cd ~/foo; touch empty.png; nautilus .
[11:24] <seb128> Laney, sorry, lunch got ready, I was eating ... doing that "touch empty.png; nautilus ." works without segfault here
[11:24] <Laney> np, it works on my laptop too
[11:24] <seb128> weird
[11:24] <seb128> is your laptop the same arch that the box that has the issue?
[11:24] <Laney> yep
[11:24] <ricotz> seb128, Laney, hi :)
[11:24] <ricotz> seb128, do you have a moment?
[11:24] <seb128> ricotz, hey, how are you?
[11:24] <seb128> ricotz, sure
[11:24] <Laney> It has new glib but I put that on the laptop and it didn't break there
[11:25] <ricotz> seb128, i am fine ;), you?
[11:25] <ricotz> seb128, could you take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/packages/tracker/
[11:25] <Laney> during that I got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1219414
[11:25] <Laney> bugs bugs bugs
[11:25] <ricotz> seb128, 0.16.2 includes serious fixes
[11:26] <dpm> seb128, Laney, how do you update the .pot file in the settings app's sources?
[11:26] <Laney> manually
[11:26] <seb128> dpm, cd po; qmake .; make pot
[11:26] <dpm> ah, cool
[11:26] <dpm> thanks guys
[11:26] <seb128> yw
[11:26] <seb128> why?
[11:26] <seb128> dpm, I updated it in trunk this morning
[11:27] <dpm> seb128, I saw this one, and I thought I'd send a quick fix, but I want to check that the comment is indeed picked up in the .pot file -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1210341
[11:27] <seb128> dpm, they are not (if I didn't try the wrong format by then)
[11:28] <seb128> dpm, I tried that before
[11:28] <seb128> dpm, well, let me know how it goes
[11:29] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151515768/Stacktrace.txt is a bit weird
[11:29] <dpm> we managed to do it for core apps, let me see if I can do the same for settings
[11:29] <seb128> Laney, it starts with a python function, I wonder if you have a nautilus-python user installed/creating the issue
[11:29] <seb128> dpm, that would be great, thanks ;-)
[11:31] <Laney> seb128: Yeah removing python-nautilus makes it go away
[11:31] <seb128> ricotz, do you have a bug report/sponsor subscribed? I'm going to try to have a look today, but it would be easier to not forget if it was in the sponsoring queue
[11:31] <Laney> not sure why that was installed
[11:31] <Laney> U1?
[11:31] <seb128> I don't think so
[11:31] <seb128> I think their nautilus code is C
[11:32] <seb128> Laney, can you reassign the bug to nautilus-python? (sorry, I closed the tab and I'm lazy to look for the number again)
[11:32] <dpm> seb128, ok, it works, but it doesn't just pick any comment automatically. Since we're invoking xgettext with --add-comments=TRANSLATORS, comments need to contain TRANSLATORS to be put in the .pot file.
[11:32] <ricotz> seb128, no, didnt make a bug for it yet, will make one -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grilo/+bug/1227630 is similar
[11:33] <seb128> ok
[11:34] <seb128> ricotz, looking to the news of this one, you probably need a ffe
[11:34] <seb128> refactoring of libs is not bug fix
[11:35] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv: ^ you might want to look at/comment/ack or not the grilo update as well, I think you are the ones that looked the most at this stack this cycle
[11:36] <seb128> dpm, oh ok, so it needs e.g TRANSLATORS: that's a nice once
[11:36] <seb128> one
[11:37] <seb128> dpm, that makes sense ;-)
[11:39] <dpm> seb128, yeah, this way xgettext doesn't just pick any random comment on top of a translatable message. https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1210341/+merge/187736
[11:39] <ricotz> seb128, hmm, i see
[11:45] <seb128> Laney, do you have any hint on testing that polkit works as it should?
[11:45] <seb128> Laney, with the new lightdm I get a seat assigned
[11:45] <seb128> e.g
[11:45] <seb128> # loginctl
[11:45] <seb128>    SESSION        UID USER             SEAT
[11:45] <seb128>         c1      32011 phablet          seat0
[11:45] <seb128> but the settings still don't work :/
[11:46] <Laney> try the dbus calls
[11:49] <seb128> Laney, I tried to dbus-monitor [--system] but I don't see anything happening in there
[11:50] <Laney> pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process $$; echo $?
[11:50] <Laney> try that from a terminal on the device
[11:51] <desrt> saluton kunlaborantoj!
[11:51] <Laney> hrm, I don't have the terminal app any more and the search doesn't let me install it
[11:51] <Laney> oh, lies
[11:51] <Laney> I just had to go to the application lens
[11:51] <Laney> greetings desrt
[11:51] <desrt> Laney: manage to wrap your mind around cancellable?
[11:52] <seb128> Laney,
[11:52] <seb128> $ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process $$; echo $?
[11:52] <seb128> polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1
[11:52] <seb128> Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed.
[11:52] <seb128> 2
[11:52] <Laney> think so, charles didn't complain too much
[11:52] <seb128> desrt, salut ;-)
[11:52] <Laney> seb128: from the device itself?
[11:52] <seb128> Laney, no, from an adb
[11:52] <Laney> not sure if that will work
[11:52] <seb128> k
[11:52] <Laney> make a script and run it
[11:52] <seb128> can do that ;-)
[11:52] <Laney> how do I get this?
[11:54] <dpm> seb128, what's the status of being able to change the language? Last time I spoke to you guys it was blocked on something missing from lightdm or policy kit to land. Has that already been fixed?
[11:55] <seb128> dpm, we are just discussing those issues atm, if you read the backlog
[11:55] <dpm> ah, cool
[11:56] <Laney> seems lightdm from proposed alone isn't enough
[11:57] <seb128> Laney, on the device
[11:57] <seb128> polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1
[11:57] <seb128> Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed.
[11:57] <seb128> 2
[11:58] <seb128> Laney,
 http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/lightdm/
[11:58] <seb128>  for anyone wanting to test the lightdm session
 install these two packages and reboot
[11:58] <seb128> Laney, ^ you need those
[11:58] <Laney> ok, let me see
[11:58] <seb128> thanks
[11:58] <seb128> Laney, that update made loginctl lists a seat for my session
[11:59] <seb128> which was not the case before
[11:59] <seb128> but that doesn't seem enough :/
[12:04] <Laney>        If the specificied process is not authorized because no suitable authentication agent is available or if the
[12:04] <Laney>        --allow-user-interaction wasn't passed, pkcheck exits with a return value of 2 and a diagnostic message is printed on standard
[12:04] <Laney>        error. Details are printed on standard output.
[12:08] <ogra_> note that switching on plokit (which this change does) might reveal missing pkla files for granting access
[12:08] <ogra_> *polkit
[12:08] <seb128> oh, right
[12:08] <seb128> we don't install the desktop privilege package on touch right?
[12:09] <ogra_> i dont think so
[12:09] <ogra_> should we do that ?
[12:09] <seb128> k
[12:09] <seb128> not sure the desktop set makes sense on touch
[12:09] <seb128> or if they need tweaking
[12:09] <ogra_> yeah
[12:09] <seb128> Laney, pitti: ^ do you have any opinion?
[12:09] <ogra_> well, i see massive app-test failures here with the new session ...
[12:10] <ogra_> i guess they are also premission related
[12:10] <Laney> ah hang on
[12:10] <Laney> I see this
[12:11] <Laney> root@iota:/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d# grep clock com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla  -A 2
[12:11] <Laney> [Setting the clock]
[12:11] <Laney> Identity=unix-group:admin;unix-group:sudo
[12:11] <Laney> Action=org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.*;org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure;org.kde.kcontrol.kcmclock.save
[12:11] <Laney> ResultActive=yes
[12:11] <Laney> then@
[12:11] <Laney>   <action id="org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure">
[12:11] <Laney> […]
[12:12] <Laney>     <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.imply">org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-timezone org.freedesktop
[12:12] <Laney> .timedate1.set-local-rtc org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-ntp</annotate>
[12:12] <Laney> let me try installing that
[12:13] <pitti> seb128: re from lunch
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: so running through, the bits that we (probably) won't need are: udisks, cpufreq (that should be automatic), usb-creator, disabling hibernate
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: also, org.debian.apt.upgrade-packages seems irrelevant with system packages, and we won't use aptdaemon
[12:15] <pitti> seb128: org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.*;org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure;org.kde.kcontrol.kcmclock.save
[12:15] <pitti> seb128: ^ that's an interesting bit, but I suppose this is actually obsolete on the desktop now as well, as control-center uses timedated?
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, they wouldn't create any issue though right?
[12:15] <pitti> seb128: so what's left is org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, indeed, I just noticed that when Laney copied the snippet before
[12:15] <pitti> and that's an important one, we need to define networks
[12:15] <Laney> The permission only works because of that implies thing that I just pasted
[12:16] <pitti> I suppose something in the phablet conf grants that priv?
[12:16] <pitti> Laney: right
[12:16] <Laney> doesn't work right now
[12:16] <Laney> trying to install the package
[12:16] <seb128> pitti, no, most of settings still don't work in the touch image
[12:16] <pitti> seb128: so yes, having that package installed wouldn't create any issues
[12:16] <pitti> seb128: oh, creating new connections != modify?
[12:16] <pitti> because you can certainly connect to a new wifi
[12:17] <Laney> phablet already has an NM pkla
[12:19] <Laney> hmm, still doesn't work
[12:19] <seb128> same here :/
[12:30] <Laney> Error checking for authorization org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure is not registered
[12:31]  * Laney edits
[12:33] <Laney> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process 2425; echo $?
[12:33] <Laney> 0
[12:33] <Laney> seb128: ^
[12:33] <Laney> muhahaha
[12:34] <seb128> Laney, so it works with the fixed pkla to list systemd rather than gcc's interfaces?
[12:34] <Laney> seb128: well, I just added them on
[12:34] <Laney> I think that could just go into pk-d-p
[12:35] <seb128> Laney, I wonder why it works on desktop, isn't org.gnome.controlcenter deprecated/dropped from saucy?
[12:36] <Laney> laney@iota> dpkg -S actions/org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.policy                                                      /usr/share/polkit-1
[12:36] <Laney> gnome-control-center-data: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.policy
[12:36] <seb128> oh, it's still there
[12:36] <seb128> I was looking at the wrong place
[12:36] <Laney> I guess it makes some sense for it to have rules itself
[12:36] <Laney> more abstraction
[12:38] <Laney> "stats on welcome screen" got saved
[12:39] <Laney> can't toggle errors
[12:39] <Laney> (does the even work on the device?)
[12:39] <Laney> s/the/that/
[12:39] <seb128> not sure, check with ev please
[12:40] <Laney> k
[12:40] <Laney> HAHA! THE TIME CHANGED!
[12:41] <seb128> \o/
[12:41] <seb128> VICTORY
[12:42] <pitti> Laney: oh, with writable image?
[12:42] <Laney> pitti: yes, but that's time not timezone
[12:42] <pitti> Laney: or using the patches?
[12:42] <pitti> ah
[12:42] <Laney> so shouldn't write any files
[12:42] <pitti> right
[12:42] <Laney> enabling ntp appeared to work too :-O
[12:42] <Laney> i.e. the time went back to utc
[12:43] <Laney> ok, lunch; someone feel free to add those actions to pk-d-p and upload/seed it
[12:43]  * seb128 does the it works dance
[12:43] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[12:43] <pitti> youtube! youtube!
[12:43] <seb128> lol
[13:51] <Laney> how do I launch u-s-s from terminal on the device?
[13:51] <Laney> I can get the UI but it's frozen
[13:52] <seb128> Laney, I do "/usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop --stage_hint=main_stage" from ssh/adb
[13:53] <seb128> well
[13:53] <seb128> "/usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop"
[13:53] <seb128> rather
[13:53] <seb128> that's the one needed
[13:53] <Laney> O_O
[13:54] <Laney> oh yes, sure it did
[13:54] <seb128> Laney, the desktop file is needed by the shell to know what surface to render or something, I forgot the details
[13:55] <Laney> ok, thanks
[13:55] <jibel> there is a crash I get relatively often on saucy with g+ hangouts in firefox but other people are reporting it in other conditions, could someone have a look at bug 1191853
[13:56] <jibel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191853
[13:56] <seb128> bregma, ^ it's a compiz decorator issue
[13:57] <seb128> jibel, as usually, better to ask on #ubuntu-unity about unity/compiz
[13:57] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[13:57]  * Trevinho looking
[13:58] <jibel> seb128, ah right, sorry
[14:00] <seb128> jibel, no worry ;-)
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, coming?
[14:03] <Laney> yes, usual trouble
[14:03] <Laney> now hangouts crashes on my phone
[14:04] <seb128> :-(
[14:05] <seb128> if even google gets it wrong
[14:05] <seb128> didrocks, I guess you are not coming (not that you have lot to say this week I guess)?
[14:05] <seb128> attente, coming to the settings meeting?
[14:06] <attente> seb128, sorry, be there in a sec
[14:06] <seb128> attente, thanks
[14:10] <attente> seb128, sorry, do you have a link?
[14:10] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, nothing to say and in a meeting :/
[14:12] <seb128> attente, sorry, seems you got it?
[14:13] <attente> seb128, yep
[14:33] <seb128> desrt, hey, is there any chance you could look at a GTK bug for me? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703062
[14:33] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 703062 in gtk "gnome-session-properties hits "GtkBox child GtkScrolledWindow minimum width" error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:34] <seb128> desrt, I sort of want to get that fixed one way or another for saucy (fixed in gtk, or workarounded in gnome-session-properties)
[14:34] <desrt> size allocation bugs!!
[14:34] <seb128> desrt, one workaround would be to not have an empty list by default, which is my fallback plan
[14:40] <desrt> the GtkScrolledWindow should not be shrinking itself like that
[14:41] <desrt> seb128: how exactly do i get no items listed? :)
[14:42] <seb128> desrt, add NoDisplay=true to the .desktop that are in this list
[14:42] <seb128> desrt, typically they are in /etc/xdg/autostart
[14:42]  * desrt wonders why playing around with XDG_DATA_DIRS seems to have no effect
[14:42] <seb128> desrt, or just move the dir away
[14:42] <seb128> desrt, it's CONFIG not DATA
[14:45] <desrt> for desktop files?
[14:46] <desrt> oh.  i see.
[14:46] <desrt> doh.
[14:47] <desrt> so i don't get the error with gtk 3.10.  that's nice.
[14:47] <seb128> now to find the commit to backport then :/
[14:47] <seb128> (if that's possible)
[14:47] <desrt> my favourite game
[14:47] <desrt> can we just use gtk 3.10? :)
[14:47] <seb128> lol
[14:47] <seb128> I knew we would get there :p
[14:47] <seb128> NO
[14:47] <seb128> ;-)
[14:48] <desrt> good times... i love problems like this
[14:48] <desrt> you know that scrollview got totally rewritten this cycle, right?
[14:55] <didrocks> seb128: so maybe older system-settings was still working with new content-hub
[14:55] <didrocks> as it used the old style?
[14:56] <sil2100> didrocks: I jump out now for lunch and then to the doctor, be back soon I hope ;)
[14:56] <seb128> didrocks, no, I first started by reverting the system settings commit
[14:56] <seb128> didrocks, was still buggy
[14:56] <seb128> didrocks, then I reverted content hub, and it worked
[14:58] <didrocks> seb128: ah ok ;)
[15:01] <Laney> rsalveti: Think you'll get a chance to check out gst today?
[15:01] <Laney> I uploaded to the PPA but armhf is lagging so you'll need to build bad and good locally
[15:01] <Laney> including the patch, that is
[15:01] <rsalveti> Laney: yup
[15:01] <rsalveti> will give it a shot later today
[15:04] <Laney> one of the changes jim made is already upstream
[15:04] <Laney> he'll find out when rebasing ;-)
[15:05] <rsalveti> cool
[15:06] <seb128> mpt, so, if the background panel has only one image to select the user background ... should that take the whole screen?
[15:07] <seb128> mpt, should we keep the "home screen" text at the bottom or not?
[15:09] <mpt> seb128, do you mean that you're keeping the screen for choosing which background to change, just removing bits from it?
[15:09] <mpt> seb128, if so, no, keep the thumbnail the same size, but yes, remove the "Home screen" text
[15:11] <seb128> mpt, http://ubuntuone.com/1Rb2gkYMa3JvnsgzzOjwDb
[15:11] <seb128> mpt, that's the current version
[15:12] <seb128> mpt, so you would keep the thumbnail that size (same as when we had both next to each others) or just make it fit the screen?
[15:14] <mpt> seb128, I'd keep it that size, for forward-familiarity if nothing else. :-)
[15:14] <seb128> sil2100, ^
[15:15] <seb128> mpt, just hidding the label at the bottom then?
[15:15] <mpt> Oh crikey, this is going to end up looking just as weird as the Gnome 3 background UI
[15:15]  * mpt cries
[15:15] <seb128> lol
[15:15]  * seb128 hugs mpt
[15:16] <mpt> seb128, yep
[15:19] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[15:30] <didrocks> seb128: in trunk?
[15:30] <compiz-user> bregma, I was told to come here and ask you about whether or not there is a workaround for the control as primary problem with compiz.   I am not looking for a patch but rather a way of maybe altering a config file or setting somewhere so I can use keybindings with ctrl
[15:31] <didrocks> hum, not yet
[15:31] <seb128> didrocks, I wish I knew what was going on with CI, this morning merges were taking 10min to get in and I'm waiting on that one for 45 min and it's not moving :/
[15:31] <seb128> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/background-revert-new-content-hub/+merge/187807
[15:31] <didrocks> seb128: did you ping fginther?
[15:31] <didrocks> (yeah, I'm on that page)
[15:31] <seb128> fginther, ^
[15:31] <seb128> fginther, we need that merged, do you know why it's not happening?
[15:31] <fginther> seb128, looking
[15:31] <seb128> fginther, thanks
[15:32] <bregma> Trevinho, can you answer the question from compiz-user ?^^^
[15:32] <compiz-user> does anyone else know if there is a possibe workaround for the primary/control problem with assigning keybindings in compiz?
[15:32] <compiz-user> that is where I was sent from
[15:33] <compiz-user> they told me bregma at ubuntu-desktop was the only one who could help me.
[15:33] <compiz-user> that is why I am here bregma
[15:33] <fginther> seb128, it's building right now. The slowness is caused by the high activity, jobs are having to wait
[15:33] <compiz-user> I was at the compiz related channels
[15:34] <compiz-user> bregma, you can't answer it?
[15:34] <seb128> fginther, thanks
[15:34] <bregma> compiz-user, I'm not an expert on compiz configuration
[15:35] <compiz-user> well I just need to somehow get the ctrl key to work in keybindings.  is there some config file I could put something in and if so what is the format?
[15:36] <Trevinho> compiz-user: mh, I'm not either that expert on that field, I think bschaefer (here soon) or andyrock know more
[15:36] <compiz-user> If you chose ctrl it selects primary instead of control
[15:36] <Trevinho> compiz-user: however, what's your issue? CCsm maps your control key as <Primary> and this doesn't work there?
[15:36] <compiz-user> yes exactly
[15:36] <Trevinho> compiz-user: mh, what if you edit it manually writing Control?
[15:36] <compiz-user> I can
[15:37] <compiz-user> yes, but I can't find where to do that.  that is exactly what I want to do
[15:37] <compiz-user> but I did a grep -ri on primary over anyplace that I thought could possible contain the relevant settings and noting resulted so I have no clue where it could be
[15:37] <compiz-user> nothing
[15:38] <compiz-user> if you could tell me where and the format required that is what I want to do Trevinho
[15:38] <compiz-user> basically Trevinho in response to your question -- edit what?
[15:39] <seb128> compiz-user, can you use #ubuntu for user questions?
[15:40] <seb128> compiz-user, that channel is used to discuss ongoing work
[15:40] <compiz-user> what?????   this is a compiz question and I was sent by the compiz channels specifically here to ask a particular person, bregma
[15:40] <compiz-user> I have been everywhere and am sent here by them
[15:40] <seb128> well; /query him
[15:40] <seb128> or ask on #ubuntu-unity
[15:40] <seb128> well, they were wrong to send you here
[15:40] <compiz-user> I don't use ubuntu.  I am only here because I was told to ask bregma here.
[15:41] <seb128> well, whover told you that was wrong
[15:41] <seb128> please stop spamming that channel
[15:41] <seb128> move that to a compiz channel on to a private query
[15:41] <seb128> thanks
[15:44] <didrocks> seb128: chroot issues on amd64 for content-hub, restarting a build
[15:44] <seb128> didrocks, ok :/
[15:44] <didrocks> i386/armhf published
[15:44] <seb128> fginther, is ubuntu-system-settings still building? it shouldn't take 10 mins to build
[15:45] <fginther> seb128, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-system-settings-saucy-amd64-autolanding/300/console
[15:45] <fginther> seb128, it's still building, looks to be about done
[15:46] <Laney> this is exciting to watch
[15:46] <seb128> fginther, thanks, that machine is sloooow
[15:46] <didrocks> argh, still chroot issue
[15:47] <Laney> I got that on two ppa builds
[15:47] <Laney> maybe check if something broke
[15:47] <didrocks> asked on #ubuntu-release
[15:48] <fginther> seb128, so... close... now...
[15:48] <fginther> if only we had a rack of SSDs
[15:50] <seb128> didrocks, fginther: great, it's merged
[15:50] <didrocks> let's build system-settings now
[15:50] <didrocks> (but blocked on this amd64 thingy)
[15:50] <Laney> bah, I forgot that I had the nexus 7 set up to build u-s-s
[15:51] <Laney> then flashed it with a ro image
[15:51]  * Laney stabs the panda
[15:52] <Laney> (take THAT greenpeace)
[15:53] <ogra_> you mean WWF >
[15:53] <ogra_> ?
[15:53] <Laney> yeah those too
[15:54] <Laney> did we ever get a porterbox on one of those nice calxeda nodes?
[15:55] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, armhf and powperpc are now failing as well for system-settings
[15:55] <seb128> :-(
[15:55] <seb128> didrocks, once of those days :/
[15:56] <didrocks> yeah :/
[16:13] <seb128> mpt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-cellular ... if we don't have a way to select the data mode, but only to make data on or off, how do you recommend changing the design?
[16:13] <seb128> mpt, have a switch for cellular data?
[16:13] <mpt> seb128, yep
[16:13] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[16:40] <robru> seb128, ping. can you test some mediaplayer-app tests for us?
[16:40] <seb128> robru, can try, what needs to be run and where?
[16:41] <robru> seb128, content-hub, system-settings, and also media stack. please enable the daily build ppa and run some tests ;-)
[16:42] <robru> seb128, whoops, not system-settings just yet. but soon
[16:43] <reson_nodes> hello
[16:43] <reson_nodes> i need satellite base mobile live location hacking software for windows or linux os
[16:43] <seb128> robru, do you have specific about the "some tests"?
[16:44] <robru> seb128, the autopilot tests for those packages, but run on the phone
[16:44] <seb128> how do I do that?
[16:44] <seb128> do they work on a ro image?
[16:45] <ogra_> seb128, you need to make the image rw
[16:45] <ogra_> seb128, and then use phablet-test-run
[16:46] <desrt> seb128: so uh.... this issue looks like it is at least partially our fault
[16:46] <robru> seb128, phablet-test-run apparently.
[16:46] <seb128> desrt, oh?
[16:46] <robru> seb128, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/55ae9715f4234c209e9bc64d991bbd026dc201cf do you have a sec?
[16:46] <desrt> seb128: the stock upstream version that we're running doesn't have the issue
[16:46] <seb128> robru, no, I don't
[16:46] <desrt> ...i discover after wasting a while bisecting
[16:47] <seb128> robru, 5 people are talking to me and I've like 3 builds going on and stuff to watch
[16:47] <desrt> seb128: doing a package build with all the patches removed right now to see what happens.  it could be our theme as well.
[16:47] <seb128> desrt, version of what, gtk?
[16:47] <robru> seb128, ok, will figure some things and get back to you in a bit
[16:47] <desrt> ya
[16:47] <seb128> robru, thanks
[16:47] <desrt> checked out the tag for 3.8.4 and built it in jhbuild: no issue
[16:47] <seb128> desrt, weird, I though I had tried an upstream tarball build before reporting the bug
[16:47] <desrt> seb128: it could well be our theme
[16:48] <seb128> oh
[16:48] <seb128> OH
[16:51] <desrt> seb128: indeed, no issue when using the high-contrast theme
[16:51] <seb128> I hate themes
[16:52] <desrt> :)
[16:53] <seb128> Laney, what is this "paths.indexOf(path) == -1"?
[16:53] <Laney> in the middle of trying something
[16:53] <desrt> seb128: looks like "path is not in paths"
[16:53] <Laney> don't look yet!
[16:53] <seb128> Laney, don't push if you don't want me to look :p
[16:53] <desrt> seb128: bad advice ;p
[16:53] <Laney> i'm trying to not count the same device more than once
[16:54] <seb128> do you know why the same device is listed more than once?
[16:54] <seb128> seems like having the dups and filtering them away is fixing at the wrong place
[16:54] <seb128> I don't have a smart idea about how to not get the dups in the first place though :/
[16:55] <Laney> I guess it's like how you get them in mount -l
[16:55] <seb128> I would if we should filter out based on the dev
[16:55] <seb128> e.g /dev/mmcblk -> filtered out
[16:56] <seb128> ignore that
[17:09] <Laney> ogra_: Do we have to do all of the spreadsheet stuff for seed change?
[17:09] <Laney> s
[17:11] <desrt> seb128: looking like a treeview bug, perhaps
[17:11] <seb128> desrt, bouncing back between theme and gtk? ;-)
[17:11] <desrt> it's reporting a negative size allocation of -3 wide.... presumably adwaita and highcontrast have enough padding to bump this into positive territory, but we only add 1 on each side, turning -3 into -1
[17:12] <seb128> oh
[17:12] <ogra_> Laney, you have to add it to LAnding Asks ...
[17:12] <desrt> will keep digging...
[17:12] <Laney> yes, that
[17:12] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[17:12]  * desrt is having a nice heart-to-heart with gdb
[17:12] <ogra_> Laney, and per the new rules it will then be discussed in the next landing meeting (tomorrow morning)
[17:13] <Laney> want to take care of adding policykit-desktop-privileges? :-)
[17:13] <ogra_> Laney, will migrate to landing plan over the day ... and then land at some point
[17:14] <ogra_> Laney, add a line to landing asks, add me as the owner (next to you in column C)
[17:14] <Laney> I don't think I can
[17:14] <Laney> I'll push it to the seed
[17:14] <ogra_> and i'll guide it through the sheets :)
[17:14] <ogra_> no, dont !
[17:14] <Laney> why
[17:14] <ogra_> do a MP
[17:14] <Laney> oh jeez
[17:14] <ogra_> yeah :(
[17:14] <Laney> there are loads of steps between pushing and it being uploaded
[17:15] <ogra_> about a day at least, yeah
[17:15] <desrt> seb128: yup.  3 columns and each is reporting itself as -1.
[17:17] <Laney> ah
[17:17] <Laney> I got a plausible number for total storage
[17:29] <desrt> seb128: actually, we can blame this one on overlay scrollbars =)
[17:29] <seb128> why am I not surprised?
[17:29] <desrt> well, it's not really overlay scrollbars' fault, for a change
[17:29] <desrt> the problem is prevented from the extra padding from the normal scrollbar
[17:30] <desrt> that's what really puts us into positive territory
[17:30] <seb128> ok, so you are saying scrollbars workaround the issue if you don't use os
[17:30] <desrt> yes.  precisely.
[17:30] <desrt> it's a gtktreeview bug, i'm pretty sure
[17:30] <desrt> i have a one-liner fix
[17:30] <desrt> not sure if it's right, but it'll work
[17:32] <seb128> desrt, great
[17:32] <seb128> attente, why do you drop "import SystemSettings 1.0" in https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-system-settings/display-language-listview/+merge/187619 ?
[17:33] <jasoncwarner> seb128 around?
[17:33] <attente> seb128, it isn't necessary for that qml file
[17:33] <seb128> jasoncwarner, yes, I wouldn't be writing here otherwise :p
[17:34] <desrt> seb128: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/42479/80216854/
[17:34] <seb128> attente, k, fair enough, we have been copying it around for most sources so far I think
[17:34] <Laney> seb128: /might/ have fixed the sizes, please re-check in your case
[17:34] <Laney> set the mp back to needs review
[17:39] <desrt> seb128: i have a version of the patch in the bug without the spelling mistake =)
[17:41] <Laney> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-seeds/saucy-touch-policykit-desktop-privileges/+merge/187858
[17:41]  * Laney is off, ttyl
[17:41] <ogra_> thx
[17:42] <seb128> Laney, night!
[17:42] <seb128> desrt, ;-)
[17:42]  * desrt -> lunch
[18:19] <robru> Mirv, still around? i did some more poking and I think I resolved that libfriends issue. turns out the dbus stuff wasn't mocked as well as i thought. so i added another mock ;-)
[18:40] <robru> seb128, still around? testing the latest content-hub doesn't seem to have fixed the issue? can't change wallpaper anyway
[18:40] <seb128> robru, did you update the settings as well?
[18:41] <robru> seb128, well, plars was testing it... i'll ask him...
[18:41] <seb128> robru, where do you guys discuss it?
[18:42] <robru> we are just messaging privately right now
[18:42] <ochosi> mdeslaur: hi! i wanted to quickly chat you up about lp #1226509, a problem with systemd's policies
[18:42] <ochosi> (hmpf, what, no bugbot?)
[18:42] <mdeslaur> ochosi: sure, what's up?
[18:43] <ochosi> mdeslaur: ok, i'm one of the lightdm-gtk-greeter maintainers, and we noticed that with the switch to systemd/logind, the restart-menuitem went away
[18:43] <ochosi> mdeslaur: check #2 on the bugreport to see why that happens
[18:44] <ochosi> mdeslaur: and see this commit upstream (we talked to poettering about the issue) which fixes it: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=299404a19f26aa4f203042d8285ee0b7afa5bf40
[18:44] <ochosi> mdeslaur: now my question is naturally, whether it's possible to backport this tiny change to systemd204 in 13.10
[18:45] <mdeslaur> ochosi: sure, it makes sense
[18:45] <ochosi> mdeslaur: anything we can do to help or can you just flip the switch?
[18:46] <mdeslaur> ochosi: are you looking for someone to do it, or are you just looking at a security team approval?
[18:46] <ochosi> (i assume you don't need a patch for the single line change)
[18:46] <ochosi> mdeslaur: well, i'm not an uploader, and xubuntu (the team i'm part of) is traditionally low on uploaders, so i'd have to find someone to *do* it as well...
[18:46] <ochosi> mdeslaur: but sure, giving your approval on it would help
[18:47] <mdeslaur> ochosi: I'll upload it...so you confirm that change is all that is needed for that bug to be resolved?
[18:47] <ochosi> mdeslaur: yes, we tested it by locally changing the policy (it's not very hard to test)
[18:47] <mdeslaur> ochosi: ok, give me 10 minutes, and I'll upload a fix
[18:48] <ochosi> then, the behavior is as expected, can_restart returns "yes" and the greeter works again
[18:48] <ochosi> mdeslaur: thanks!! this is very very much appreciated (took us a long time to figure out what's actually going on)
[18:52] <mdeslaur> ochosi: yw
[19:18] <mdeslaur> ochosi: uploaded
[19:19] <ochosi> mdeslaur: thanks, your my hero for today!
[19:19] <mdeslaur> hehe
[19:19] <ochosi> the xubuntu-community applauds
[20:23] <desrt> seb128: sign off :p
[20:23] <seb128> desrt, heh, I guess I should ;-)
[20:24] <seb128> desrt, I'm not working though, watching TV and just turned the laptop next to it
[20:24] <desrt> seb128: hello, then!
[20:24] <seb128> desrt, hey ;-)
[20:24] <desrt> did you kick off a gtk build with that patch?
[20:25] <seb128> desrt, not yet, I trust you it solves the issue but I was waiting a bit to see if somebody else upstream reviews it
[20:25] <desrt> fair enough
[20:25] <desrt> i guess it's not a huge issue for us since this dialog is never empty
[20:25] <desrt> were you playing around on the phone or something?
[20:26] <seb128> desrt, it's empty by default
[20:26] <seb128> desrt, I wouldn't have pinged you about it otherwise
[20:26] <desrt> weird.
[20:26] <seb128> why?
[20:26] <desrt> it's full of the contents from the files in /etc for me
[20:26] <seb128> do you run Ubuntu?
[20:27] <seb128> we did hide all the system services some cycles ago
[20:27] <seb128> users were shooting themself by turning off e.g g-s-d
[20:27] <seb128> or gnome-keyring
[20:27] <seb128> it doesn't make sense to have important services there
[20:28] <seb128> so we hide all the services and let users add apps
[20:28] <seb128> so by default it's empty
[20:28] <seb128> well, for standard install, I've some stuff as well from non default components
[20:29] <seb128> desrt, upstream took our patch this cycle btw: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=55fab9dc066875641cffbab966ca20e35821afdf
[20:31] <desrt> ahh
[22:52] <rsalveti> Laney: so, we'll try to fix bug 1231727 first, and then test it again on top of gst 1.2
[22:52] <rsalveti> to avoid having more moving parts


[05:23] <vinicius1983rj> hello
[05:23] <vinicius1983rj> alguem?
[05:24] <smartboyhw> Hello viniciue1983rj
[05:24] <smartboyhw> viniciuw1983rj ^
[05:25] <vinicius1983rj> smartboyhw, good evening
[05:25] <smartboyhw> vinicius1983rj: Good afternoon
[05:25] <vinicius1983rj> smartboyhw, I have problems with my soun card
[05:26] <smartboyhw> !proaudio | vinicius1983rj
[05:29] <smartboyhw> vinicius1983rj: Try follow the above guide to setup your sound card first:)
[05:39] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:55] <connecto> Hi! I have a question. I wanna know if I can upgrade from ubuntu studio 12.04 to 13.04 from the update manager
[05:57] <smartboyhw> !patience | connecto
[05:58] <smartboyhw> And please upgrade to 12.10 first
[06:02] <connecto> Upgrade to 12.10 can be done through the update manager_
[06:02] <connecto> ?}
[06:03] <smartboyhw> connecto: Yes
[06:05] <smartboyhw> …
[09:34] <Vellda> hello @all
[14:08] <celesteh> hello, i have a few questions: I installed the beta2 of 13.04. If I am doing regular system updates, does this automatically put me at the release version, or should I re-install?
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> celesteh: First option is correct:)
[14:09] <celesteh> thanks! that's a relief
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> If you keep on updating your systen that's 13.04 release version.
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> celesteh: :)
[14:09] <przemek> you`ll be able to update your system
[14:11] <celesteh> ok, my next question: I have a tablet computer with a touch screen and a stylus.  When I plug it into aprojector and mirror the displays, my screen geometry changes, usually to be less wide, but the geometry for the stylus does not seem to change. Is there a way to get my stylus to recallibrate to match the screen?
[14:12] <celesteh> Otherwise, the very centre of the screen is perfect, but it gets more and more off as I get to the edges.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> !stylus
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Hmm bo
[14:15] <smartboyhw> no
[14:25] <celesteh> Hrm. :(  I wish this were just built in. Lenovo should do more ot support linux development for their machines
[14:26] <smartboyhw> celesteh: You do know Lenovo computers are the worst Linux-compatible ones?
[14:38] <celesteh> smartboyhw: I didn't know that. :(  I got it because I wanted something a lot more durable than a mac.
[15:40] <celesteh> ok . . . is there a way to write a script that is called everytime the screen changes geometry?
[15:52] <len-1304> If you are using ubuntustudio with xfce, there should be more info on #xfce or #xubuntu
[15:52] <len-1304> I think that is specific to the DE
[15:53] <len-1304> celesteh, ^^
[16:04] <celesteh> ah cheers, i'm using gnome