[04:25] <oscar> hello
[04:26] <oscar> how is everyone doing
[04:26] <guiverc> oscar, if you haev a Lubuntu support question, please just ask it. If you want to chat, #lubuntu-offtopic
[04:28] <oscar> @guiverc, thank you, noted, I just wanted to ask if someone could direct me on how to install a different desktop environment, im now to linux :)
[04:29] <guiverc> oscar, what are you using currently
[10:47] <LimeOn> Hello. i'm trying to compile a program with wxwidgets and i have a drop error: "error: C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[10:48] <LimeOn> That means something like my program dont recognizes wxwidgets?(i found that a version is sinstalled by default in Lubuntu)
[10:49] <LimeOn> "libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5" and "libwxbase3.0-0v5"
[14:40] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you planed backport lxqt 0.15 for 20.04?
[15:47] <salon> hello everybody ! I've just installed Lubuntu 20.10 and I try to install Cyberghost but it seems to be required to be under 20.04 : how can I do please ? Thank you in advance
[15:52] <salon> is there anyone ?
[15:52] <kc2bez> salon: It doesn't look like they support anything newer than 19.10 https://www.cyberghostvpn.com/en_US/support/articles/360020835894-CyberGhost-for-Linux-FAQ
[15:53] <kc2bez> You would have to contact them for support since it isn't a (L)Ubuntu package.
[15:55] <salon> they say they can support ubuntu from 16.04 up to 20.04
[15:57] <salon> on their installation guide
[17:16] <brahym> hi
[17:17] <brahym> ergveegvr
[17:26] <juanp> Hola
 Hi, you have #lubuntu-es in spanish


[00:11] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, ping
[00:11] <PriceChild> pong
[00:12] <nalioth> seen it
[00:12] <nalioth> am watching
[00:12] <elky_work> is this still the "paddy frank is back" fun?
[00:12] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I've created #ubuntu-legal to reduce noise in -motu regarding licenses and other legal stuff
[00:12] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I'd like the IRC Council to take care of it, if they would.
[00:12] <nalioth> elky_work: no, just an irritant
[00:12] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: Take care of it?
[00:13] <elky_work> nalioth: aww, i was about to go get the popcorn :(
[00:13] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, You know, do your irc stuff with it :P
[00:13] <PriceChild> :s
[00:13] <PriceChild> Which stuff?
[00:13] <nalioth> elky_work: please don't summon any demons
[00:13] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Like, keep the peace, and op it, and stuffz
[00:14] <elky_work> we are not hire-an-op
[00:14] <PriceChild> Its not really something we usually do... How would *!*@ubuntu/member/* +voiAt do in there?
[00:15] <nalioth> cody-somerville: are you a lawyer?
[00:15] <cody-somerville> Sounds good to me
[00:15] <nalioth> #ubuntu-legal is not a good idea
[00:15] <cody-somerville> Okay
[00:15] <cody-somerville> Is there a better name for that sort of discussion?
[00:15] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Well, I'd still like to give the IRC Council ownership and stuff like that to manage the channel
[00:15] <elky_work> unless there'll be lawyers, #ubuntu-IANAL ;)

[00:16] <PriceChild> Hmm well it does kind of make me think of debian-legal... which is something very different despite the same naming
[00:16] <cody-somerville> Whats debian-legal about?
[00:16] <elky_work> #ubuntu-ethics ?
[00:16] <elky_work> nah
[00:16] <cody-somerville> #ubuntu-community ?
[00:16] <PriceChild> You're wanting a channel which holds general discussion about it... debian-legal is a group of lawyers giving advice.
[00:16] <PriceChild> (I believe)
[00:17] <cody-somerville> Okay
[00:17] <nalioth> if it's generated by #ubuntu-motu, perhaps #ubuntu-motu-discussion
[00:17] <elky_work> cody-somerville: talk to matt east about possible logical namings maybe?
[00:17] <nalioth> keeps the non-motu yakking out of -motu, but keeps it related to -motu
[00:18]  * cody-somerville notes that there isn't a general community channel, maybe we should have one?
[00:18] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: -offtopic
[00:18]  * PriceChild should think before speaking more often.
[00:18]  * cody-somerville is thinking more along the lines of ontopic community discussion.
[00:18] <cody-somerville> For example, if I wanted to talk to mdke about this, I would have to bring him here or talk to him in private
[00:19] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-$TEAM_NAME
[00:19] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Right but there is no channel for the CC :]
[00:19] <cody-somerville> ie. just plain old, community community discussion
[00:19] <PriceChild> there isn't?
[00:20] <cody-somerville> If you know otherwise, I've been missing out :-]
[00:20] <PriceChild> i doubt they want a channel
[00:21] <cody-somerville> Right
[00:21] <cody-somerville> Thats why I'm thinking more of a meta channel
[00:21] <PriceChild> I do like #ubuntu-ianal.
[00:21] <elky_work> PriceChild: yeah, it's not like -motu is an entirely serious name ;)
[00:22] <cody-somerville> My thinking is that traffic would be so low in -ianal that it might be better to amalgamate it into a channel that has a broader purpose such as a channel for discussion on community and community issues in general.
[00:22] <PriceChild> I'd also consult whoever runs -motu before telling people from there that its policy is to go to wherever. We don't run -motu afaik.
[00:23] <cody-somerville> Right
[00:23] <cody-somerville> Let me touch base with a few folks and I'll write something to relevant mailing lists.
[00:23] <cody-somerville> I think it would be good to get Jono to weigh in
[00:23] <elky_work> cody-somerville: and jorge
[00:23] <PriceChild> mailing lists are going to make it so formal
[00:24] <elky_work> and bring out licencing guru wannabe
[00:24] <elky_work>                   ^^every
[00:25] <nalioth> no need for a mailing list
[00:25] <elky_work> nalioth: he means, informing existing ones
[00:26] <cody-somerville> Anyhow, I already prematurely registered #ubuntu-legal
[00:26] <elky_work> cody-somerville: it is worth keeping it and piping to -ianal
[00:26]  * cody-somerville nods.
[00:26] <elky_work> since -ianal makes -legal perfectly clear
[00:26] <cody-somerville> Is it appropriate for me to add the irc council to the access list?
[00:27] <elky_work> you could even hand out token grains of salt on each join
[00:27] <cody-somerville> \o/
[00:27] <elky_work> but yes, add the council nick
[00:28] <cody-somerville> whats the nick again?
[00:29] <elky_work> ubuntuirccouncil iirc, you might want to check access for an existing channel though
[00:30]  * elky_work goes back to trying to figure how to make SELinux behave in fedora
[00:31] <cody-somerville> -ChanServ- Flags +votsriRfA were set on UbuntuIrcCouncil in #ubuntu-legal.
[00:31] <cody-somerville> oh, was kmos unbanned? I never really followed that discussion.
[00:32] <elky_work> cody-somerville: reluctantly. i'm not sure he's allowed to actually touch anything though
[00:33] <cody-somerville> okay
[00:33] <PriceChild> He looks muted.
[00:33] <elky_work> i think they figure if he's forced to read, he might learn something
[00:34] <elky_work> eventually
[00:34] <cody-somerville> heh
[00:40] <Flannel> cody-somerville: -offtopic is for Ubuntu topics, yes.
[00:41] <Flannel> although, with the way its been the past few months, the signal to noise ratio is quite bad depending on the time of day/cliques active.
[00:41] <Flannel> it used to be a rather intelligent channel, honest!
[00:42] <cody-somerville> I'm pretty sure -offtopic is for offtopic discussion, no?
[00:42] <elky_work> at one point, it was more intelligent than #ubuntu
[00:42] <Flannel> Indeed.
[00:42] <Flannel> cody-somerville: offtopic includes Ubuntu topics
[00:42] <PriceChild> elky_work: offtopic for #ubuntu
[00:42] <elky_work> cody-somerville: where offtopic is non-techsupport
[00:42] <PriceChild> gah
[00:42] <Flannel> cody-somerville: since #ubuntu is just for support
[00:42] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: offtopic for #ubuntu
[00:43] <elky_work> it's supposed to be 'ubuntu discussion that doesnt fit into other channel scopes'
[00:43] <Flannel> usually if you get a thread started, the randomness stops.
[00:45] <Flannel> elky_work: It was until we got a group of people who hung out in -offtopic, but were never in #ubuntu.
[00:49] <nalioth> cody-somerville: #ubuntu-offtopic is for Ubunte related non support discussion
[00:56] <elky_work> depending on who is active, it can be #ubuntu-emo, #ubuntu-psychotic, #ubuntu-i-am-bored-please-play-with-me
[00:57]  * Flannel must be asleep during the -emo time, thankfully.
[00:57] <Flannel> Oh wait, no nevermind.
[00:57] <Flannel> But again, if you start an actual non-random topic, you'll get a good response
[00:58] <Flannel> their else: statement is just rnd()
[00:58] <elky_work> yeah
[04:08]  * Flannel just doesn't understand the desire to have that factoid.
[04:41] <elky_work> because people are utter dorks sometimes
[05:00]  * Madpilot isn't sure he wants to click on that URL... and he clicks on nearly *everything*...
[05:17] <Madpilot> OK, stupid but harmless, certainly doesn't need a factoid...
[06:26] <elky_work> Madpilot: yeah
[06:26] <elky_work> i was worried the first time too
[06:27] <Madpilot> I love slow IRC channels. 2.5hrs for one conversation :)
[06:28] <elky_work> :P
[06:29] <elky_work> i'm going to blame urbandictionary for the proliferation of stupid disgusting definitions for terms that are plausibly double entendres, even if it's not it's fault.
[06:34] <Flannel> problem is, we already have a factoid
[06:34] <Flannel> !rimshot
[06:34] <Flannel> !instantrimshot
[06:34] <Flannel> see?  makes me sad.
[06:35] <Flannel> especially because the factoid itself is useless... because the factoid text is as long as the factoid name
[06:38] <Flannel> mmm, please pretend those two factoids were written as if they were continuations of the same idea... instead of the same sentence twice in a row.
[06:45]  * Myrtti hides
[06:46] <Madpilot> morning Myrtti
[06:46] <Myrtti> !-instantrimshot
[06:46] <Myrtti> /o\
[06:46] <Madpilot> well, now we know who to blame :)
[06:47] <Myrtti> I love the kids at -ot too much
[07:00] <elky_work> spoiling only attracts more of the insane ones though
[07:01] <Myrtti> true
[07:11] <Myrtti> @login
[07:11] <Myrtti> !forget instantrimshot
[08:47] <Myrtti> AND suddenly, the world was a better place.
[08:54] <Flannel> Hooray Myrtti!
[10:08] <Myrtti> I've got way too many irc channels
[10:14] <Myrtti> but then again...
[10:14] <Myrtti> !love
[10:14] <Myrtti> !lovetoo
[12:10] <Myrtti> oh for Saint Timos sake
[12:11] <Myrtti> http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=545
[12:28] <Pici> o.O
[12:29] <Myrtti> !info irssi
[12:29] <Myrtti> >___<
[12:29] <Pici> Let me guess, not fixed in that version?
[12:29] <Myrtti> nope
[12:29] <Pici> Also. Good morning/afternoon
[12:35] <Myrtti> dear god I'm tired
[12:54] <Myrtti> ...
[12:54] <pleia2> me too
[12:54] <Myrtti> what on earth is he up to now at -ot
[12:56] <PriceChild> asus?
[12:56] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:57]  * jussi01 walks in from a morning excursion to orivesi
[12:58] <Myrtti> you was here and didn't buy me lunch?
[12:58] <Myrtti> shame on you
[12:59] <Myrtti> no, nevermind
[13:11] <Pici> ubottu: tell jacopo about bot
[14:07] <jussi01> hrm, missed this, was a bit ago, but hmmm? [16:00:41] <seller23> any one who want to buy iphones 3gb 16gb 32gb pls pm me
[14:07] <Myrtti> been notified to #freenode
[14:07] <jussi01> right
[14:08] <Myrtti> 15:56 < Sonar_Guy> Starnestommy: got a spambot adevertising cellphones bouncing  channels [seller23]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: seller
[14:08] <Pici> Although the person still seems to be online, and in #kubuntu
[15:28]  * mneptok mumbles into his coffee
[15:35] <PriceChild> hmm bfj in -r-t
[15:37] <Myrtti> hm
[15:37] <Pici> -r-t?
[15:37] <Myrtti> ubuntu is still on the victim list
[15:37] <Myrtti> read topic I presume
[15:37] <PriceChild> not in the bans though Myrtti?
[15:37] <Myrtti> isn't it weird...
[15:38] <PriceChild> because someone removed it?
[15:38] <Myrtti> hrmmm
[15:38] <Myrtti> 17:38 [freenode] @,- ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:38] <Myrtti> 17:38 [freenode] @,-  ircname  : purple
[15:38] <Myrtti> 17:38 [freenode] @,-  server   : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/]
[15:38] <Myrtti> 17:38 [freenode] @,-  idle     : 0 days 8 hours 20 mins 2 secs [signon: Mon Aug  25 09:18:09 2008]
[15:38] <Myrtti> wth.
[15:38] <PriceChild> hmm?
[15:39] <Myrtti> that gives me some odd feelings
[15:39] <jussi01> looks normal to me...
[15:39] <Myrtti> 8 hours?
[15:39] <Myrtti> with that nick?
[15:40] <jussi01> could be... someone booted their computer with the defauls and pidgin running?
[15:41] <Myrtti> but usually the ident is also ubuntu...
[15:42] <jussi01> no, purple is pidgins default, is it not?
[15:43] <Pici> yes.
[15:43] <Myrtti> well his is santosh.
[15:43] <Myrtti> I don't know.
[15:43] <jussi01> meh, dunno
[15:47]  * mneptok copies and pastes into his IRC scrapbook
[15:48] <mneptok> 10:37 <+Myrtti> that gives me some odd feelings   <---- <3
[15:48] <mneptok> :P
[15:48] <Myrtti> if you'd only know
[15:48] <Myrtti> there was some discussions about mushrooms with me and Nafallo and Dave2 yesterday #elsewhere
[15:49] <Myrtti> Nafallo had some mushrooms, Dave2 mentioned badgers
[15:49] <Myrtti> my reaction was "shut up, I don't want to think of snakes in this context"
[15:50] <Myrtti> damn
[15:51] <Myrtti> now you *do* know
[15:52] <mneptok> snakes always need context.
[15:52] <mneptok> well, at least that's what my memo for HR said.
[15:52] <mneptok> *from
[15:55]  * jussi01 is wondering what the heck mneptok and Myrtti are on about...
[15:55] <Nafallo> jussi01: mushrooms
[15:56] <Myrtti> I'm on a mattress in my balcony
[15:57] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2795525905/ ♥
[15:58] <Myrtti> the floodbots are flaking again
[15:58] <Myrtti> floodbot2 is op
[15:59] <Myrtti> so floodbot1 can't do exemptions
[16:00] <Myrtti> let's see if that does the trick
[16:04]  * Myrtti tries
[16:11] <Myrtti> yeah, works now
[16:14] <Pici> the other floodbots arent in -proxy-users
[16:15] <Myrtti> I wouldn't know about that or their inner logic
[16:27] <bazhang> like that will fix it.
[16:27] <bazhang> intrepid kernel installed; who knows what that has wrought
[16:27] <Pici> He never did answer how he got it installed, did he?
[16:28] <bazhang> no he did not.
[16:59] <ikonia> bazhang: I need to go eat, can you explain to guest that he needs to not compile his own version and use the version in the repo please :)
[17:00] <bazhang> ikonia, sure :)
[17:00] <ikonia> he's doing make install - when configure is not even passing, let alone compiling
[17:00] <ikonia> right, I'm eating
[17:01] <bazhang> heh
[17:16] <bazhang> wow
[17:17] <bazhang> he is deleting directories to remove hylafax
[17:40]  * nalioth always loves the are em space dash are eff school of software installation . . .
[17:40] <bazhang> haha
[17:55] <Myrtti> nalioth: you mean the recursive removal magic?
[17:56] <nalioth> Myrtti: yep
[18:32]  * Myrtti sighs
[20:13] <Myrtti> have fun everyone, I'm so bored I'm going to bed
[20:13] <Myrtti> try to behave
[20:14] <Pici> I'll try
[20:14] <Flannel> we're supposed to behave?
[20:14] <Myrtti> you, of all people
[20:14] <Flannel> thats what I've been doing wrong!
[20:14] <Myrtti> ;-)
[20:14] <Myrtti> -->
[20:40] <Pici> I'm out for a bit, muted user18
[20:41] <stdin> Pici: floodbot1 just un-muted them
[20:41] <jpds> Only for the Floodbot to mute him
[20:41] <Pici> I saw ;)
[20:41] <stdin> maybe it thinks you're another floodbot :p
[20:46] <PriceChild> floodbots not behaving?
[22:15] <Pici> jrib: hey, long time no see.
[22:23] <mneptok> OK, soryy, but i'm going to use the word "gay" as an adjective not describing a human's sexuality.
[22:23] <mneptok> you cannot say "Linpus" and not sound ... well ... gay.
[22:23] <mneptok> "ghey?"
[22:23] <mneptok> you get the idea.
[22:25] <ompaul> mneptok, argh
[22:33] <mneptok> ompaul: nyernt
[22:33] <ompaul> mneptok, two point one izims
[22:33] <jpds> PriceChild: ubuntu-irc archives appear to be working again.
[22:34] <ompaul> jpds, the magic of databases
[22:34] <PriceChild> :)
[22:34] <jpds> There's my RT pokage for the evening.
[22:35] <ompaul> mneptok, we need to replace iptables with PF (btw this is my current mad idea)
[22:35] <jpds> ompaul: Explain: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs then ;-)
[22:35] <ompaul> mneptok, (and as will all mad ideas I will drop it in a period of time 3.142 slices wide
[22:36] <ompaul> jpds, I already told ya
[22:36] <ompaul> "jpds, the magic of databases"
[22:36] <jpds> Hehe.
[22:36] <ompaul> mneptok, my closing ) was missing please excuse me while I disparage a mirror which is reflecting on the situation
[22:39]  * ompaul tells mirror to live in the present
[22:39] <ompaul> that living in the past is nuts :)
[22:39] <Mez> ARGH!
[22:40] <Mez> I hate it when people are hard to google-stalk
[22:40] <ompaul> Mez, google was not designed for you to stalk
[22:41] <Mez> ompaul, s/google/facebook/
[22:41] <ompaul> also I think stalking may not be in line with the spirit of ubuntu, you might have to check that but :)
[22:41] <ompaul> Mez, :)
[22:41] <Mez> ompaul, "google-stalking" is a term...
[22:41] <Mez> (In my head)
[22:42] <ompaul> Mez, in your head ;)
[22:42] <jrib> hey Pici
[22:42] <Mez> It means "to find a real life person's internet identity with the use of google"
[22:42] <ompaul> Mez, easy to infer ;-)
[22:42] <Mez> :P
[22:58] <nalioth> google-shocking ?
[22:58] <nalioth> did someone look up mneptok ?
[23:03] <ompaul> nalioth, not oftrn?
[23:03] <ompaul> nalioth, not often? (even)
[23:10] <nalioth> @btlogin
[23:10] <Pici> slow
[23:10] <nalioth> interesting
[23:10] <nalioth> is it?
[23:10] <nalioth> !ping
[23:10] <Pici> I mean the bantracker site is slow
[23:11] <nalioth> i wouldn't know. ubottu is ignoring me
[23:13] <ompaul> tell it @login and see if it likes you
[23:13] <ompaul> it might just be playing hard to get
[23:14] <ompaul> and a quote to ponder
[23:30] <nalioth> @btlogin
[23:30] <nalioth> @login
[23:30] <nalioth> @btlogin
[23:30] <nalioth> too much interference


[04:33] <bzoltan_> robru: do you know what does that mean? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-011-2-publish/59/console
[04:33] <bzoltan_> kalikiana:  ^ look, this is the blocker
[04:35] <robru> bzoltan_: yeah you guys pushed new commits since the last time the build job was run. You need to rebuild.
[04:36] <bzoltan_> robru:  I see.. that I can do
[05:35] <bzoltan_> robru:  I am not sure if I get this ^
[05:41] <robru> bzoltan_: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/landing_12-6-2015-gles/+merge/261832 MP is wrong, you put the vivid version in, needs to be the wily version. (15.10 instead of 15.04)
[09:14] <bzoltan_> robru: thanks, i fixed that
[11:06]  * sil2100 off to lunch
[11:21] <bzoltan_> robru: sil2100: now the version is on wily, but now it does not like that it is not high enough ... (silo11)
[11:22] <ogra_> the wonderful world of -gles
[11:23] <sil2100> Uuu
[11:24] <sil2100> bzoltan_: yeah, PPAs don't allow same-version uploads, looks like it has been already uploaded once?
[11:31] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  it seems that the main build produced the right gles package... so my rebuild was not necessary. The PPA has all the packages now.
[11:44] <sil2100> phew
[11:44] <sil2100> \o/
[12:30] <rvr> kenvandine: jgdx: Silo 3 approved
[12:30] <jgdx> rvr, whee thanks!
[12:37] <sil2100> o/
[12:38] <sil2100> jgdx, kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1441192/+merge/255402 unapproved
[12:39] <jgdx> :'(
[12:39] <jgdx> sil2100, you mean the need fixing from ci?
[12:39] <sil2100> Please top-approve it
[12:39] <sil2100> ;)
[12:40] <sil2100> It needs to be reviewed and top-apptoved by someone, we don't allow releasing non-top-approved merges
[12:40] <jgdx> sil2100, the mr you linked to has something to do with silo 3?
[12:41] <sil2100> jgdx: it's the only merge in silo 3
[12:42] <sil2100> jgdx: this merge needs to be top-approved before we can release silo 3
[12:42] <jgdx> sil2100, oh, was looking at the wrong silo 3. Okay so https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1441192/+merge/255402 needs top approve. Right
[12:43] <seb128> it's top approved no?
[12:43] <seb128> Status:
[12:43] <seb128> 	Approved Edit status
[12:43] <seb128> Approved by: 	Ken VanDine on 2015-06-11
[12:43] <jgdx> looks like it, but maybe it's counting votes?
[12:43] <sil2100> Ah!
[12:43] <seb128> it's rather than it got a commit since it was approved
[12:43] <seb128> that*
[12:43] <sil2100> Yes, sorry, was fast with not reading the error message
[12:43] <jgdx> sil2100, since the CI stack has broken down for USS, could you hold the phone a bit on that landing?
[12:44] <sil2100> jgdx: this branch might need re-building though...
[12:44] <seb128> jgdx, how has "the CI stack has broken down for USS"?
[12:44] <kenvandine> sil2100, i don't think so
[12:44] <seb128> is that being tracked?
[12:44] <sil2100> jgdx: it seems the packages were built and afterwards someone pushed new revisions to that
[12:44] <jgdx> seb128, for all long running tests suites
[12:44] <jgdx> seb128, yes
[12:44] <seb128> k
[12:44] <jgdx> sil2100, ack, thanks
[12:44] <kenvandine> sil2100, the new revision was just merging trunk
[12:44] <seb128> do you have a bug number about that?
[12:45] <jgdx> kenvandine, ^
[12:45] <kenvandine> should be safe
[12:45] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, but seems that revision is not built in the ppa, if it's needed we need a rebuild
[12:45] <sil2100> kenvandine: was that a clean merge?
[12:45] <kenvandine> yes
[12:45] <jgdx> seb128, bug v
[12:45] <jgdx> bug 1468029
[12:45] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[12:45] <sil2100> hm, still...
[12:45] <kenvandine> that one is driving me nuts!
[12:45] <kenvandine> sil2100, we can do a rebuild
[12:45] <sil2100> kenvandine: why was the trunk merged?
[12:46] <seb128> kenvandine, why did we do a rebase merge if there was no conflict/reason to remerge?
[12:46] <kenvandine> dunno :)
[12:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^
[12:46] <jgdx> kenvandine, can we wait until AP pass?
[12:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'd rather not, the wifi tests pass
[12:46] <kenvandine> and there's no eta on when the unity8 crash will be fixed
[12:46] <sil2100> kenvandine: since if someone landed something to u-s-s after building the package, we need to rebuild as otherwise it'll not include those commits in the released package
[12:46] <jgdx> kenvandine, oh right, they do.
[12:46] <kenvandine> the silo build includes the same trunk
[12:47] <kenvandine> the revision that was merged in was from last week's landing
[12:47] <seb128> kenvandine, is anyone looking at that unity8 issue? is it confirmed to be unity8?
[12:47] <kenvandine> well, we know that crash happens everytime we hit the problem
[12:47] <kenvandine> it's also affecting webbrowser-app
[12:47] <seb128> kenvandine, I don't understand what was the point of that merge? if somebody went out of his way to do it that's probably for a reason?
[12:47] <kenvandine> sil2100, i can do a rebuild though
[12:47] <kenvandine> to be sure
[12:47] <seb128> and if so why do we discard it now?
[12:48] <kenvandine> jgdx, what prompted the trunk merge?
[12:48] <sil2100> kenvandine: you could check the source packages as well and see if the changes you merged in from trunk are in there
[12:48] <sil2100> SInce a rebuild might trigger a re-test ;p
[12:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, failing ap tests, who knows. Want me to uncommit it?
[12:48] <jgdx> most likely desperation from failing tests
[12:48] <kenvandine> that's what i was thinking
[12:50] <kenvandine> sil2100, confirmed, that merge from trunk only includes the previous landing which was in trunk before the silo was built
[12:50] <kenvandine> so it won't revert it
[12:51] <kenvandine> sil2100, the diff from that merge is included in the ppa
[12:51] <kenvandine> +  [ Ken VanDine ]
[12:51] <kenvandine> +  * Activate the accessPoint on click
[12:52] <sil2100> kenvandine: ok
[12:52] <sil2100> uuuh, we don't have any override flag for this
[12:52] <sil2100> ;/
[12:53] <kenvandine> sil2100, lets let jgdx uncommit that?
[12:53] <jgdx> okay
[12:53] <kenvandine> sil2100, ok?
[12:53] <sil2100> kenvandine: yeah, let's revert that commit and bzr push --override to the branch
[12:53] <kenvandine> cool
[12:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, be careful... make sure the last revno is 1386
[12:53] <jgdx> Pushed up to revision 1386
[12:54] <kenvandine> cool
[12:55] <kenvandine> mzanetti, any thoughts on bug 1468029
[12:55] <kenvandine> mzanetti, i'm seeing a unity8 crash while running the settings AP tests, and after the crash all text input from the OSK fails
[12:55] <kenvandine> restarting unity8 fixes it
[12:56] <kenvandine> mzanetti, not sure if the bug is actually in unity8, but that's where the crash is
[12:56] <sil2100> Publishing :)
[12:56] <kenvandine> mzanetti, not sure who to harass about it, just want to make sure someone looks at it
[12:56] <kenvandine> we can't get passing CI right now :/
[12:56] <kenvandine> sil2100, thx
[12:57] <jibel> kenvandine, do you know when it started?
[12:57] <kenvandine> jibel, i think i first saw it monday
[12:58] <kenvandine> but oSoMoN saw it before then
[12:58] <kenvandine> jibel, i can reproduce it 100% of the time, when running the full test suite
[12:58] <kenvandine> smaller test runs work fine
[12:58] <seb128> kenvandine, did you try to downgrade unity8 to the previous version and see if that resolves it?
[12:58] <kenvandine> once it fails... i have to restart unity8 to get any of the tests to pass
[12:59] <kenvandine> i had some dependency issues doing that
[12:59] <seb128> downgrade those as well ;-)
[12:59] <seb128> I don't think we had a transition involving half the archive
[12:59] <jibel> kenvandine, on vivid and wily or only wily?
[12:59] <kenvandine> wily and vivid
[13:00] <kenvandine> unity8 has had dual landings
[13:00] <seb128> vivid is stable though, we didn't get any unity8 sru
[13:00] <kenvandine> vivid overlay
[13:00] <seb128> oh, that's on the device
[13:00] <seb128> right
[13:00] <kenvandine> jibel, oSoMoN has seen it on krillin with vivid too
[13:00] <seb128> did you try on a desktop?
[13:00] <kenvandine> so not just mako
[13:00] <kenvandine> couldn't reproduce it on the desktop
[13:00] <kenvandine> it's only on the device
[13:00] <seb128> well if it's an osk issue...
[13:00] <seb128> k
[13:01] <kenvandine> and it happens when unity8 crashes
[13:01] <jibel> seb128, I meant overlay, sorry. There has been 2 uploads in a week
[13:01] <kenvandine> everytime it happens, there's a unity8 crash
[13:01] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, do you have an idea when you first saw it?
[13:01] <seb128> kenvandine, unity8 segfaulting doesn't mean it's not a qt or lib bug
[13:01] <kenvandine> seb128, right... it's just as low as i was able to bisect it
[13:02] <seb128> would be useful to downgrade to nail down the buggy component
[13:02] <kenvandine> and once it happens i can't get even a single test to pass using the OSK until i restart unity8
[13:02] <seb128> can you open the osk manually?
[13:02] <kenvandine> yes
[13:02] <kenvandine> and that works
[13:02] <seb128> weird
[13:02] <kenvandine> just not from autopilot
[13:02] <kenvandine> right... i thought the same thing
[13:02] <seb128> weird
[13:02] <kenvandine> very easy to reproduce
[13:03] <seb128> let me phablet-test-run on my bq
[13:03] <kenvandine> well... with an hour long AP test run :)
[13:03] <jibel> autopilot send input event and don't really use the osk
[13:03] <kenvandine> it raises the OSK when entering text though
[13:03] <kenvandine> maybe a focus issue?
[13:04] <kenvandine> keyboard.write doesn't work once it gets to that state
[13:04] <kenvandine> or whatever that function is :)
[13:04] <jibel> brendand, have you seen bug 1468029?
[13:04] <kenvandine> i spent a bunch of time narrowing it down this far, but had to move on to something else
[13:05] <brendand> jibel, i don't think i've encountered it personally
[13:18] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I don’t remember when I first saw it, no, but I would say at least a couple of weeks
[13:22] <sil2100> Need to jump out to the vet
[13:22] <sil2100> kenvandine: hey! Could you keep one eye on the train for me in the meantime? :)
[13:25] <rvr> pete-woods: Hi. The merge proposal of silo 35 hasn't been reviewed. The silo is blocked for QA.
[13:25] <jibel> pete-woods, I'll verify silo 35 since I was affected by the issue but could you have someone to review the MR and top approve it?
[13:26] <rvr> jibel: lol
[13:26] <jibel> :)
[13:31] <pete-woods> jibel: yes, will do
[13:32] <kenvandine> sil2100, i need to run out for a few minutes myself, but i can look in on it when i get back
[13:32] <kenvandine> i won't be long
[13:33] <sil2100> Same here
[13:33] <sil2100> kenvandine: anyway, thanks! ;)
[13:49] <kenvandine> sil2100, i'm back :)
[14:20] <jibel> sil2100, is there anything to discuss in the landing meeting tonight?
[14:54] <charles> trainguards, ubuntu/landing-004's changes are top-approved now and ready to publish
[14:57] <davmor2> kenvandine: I think sil2100 run out for a few minutes was longer than yours :)
[14:57] <kenvandine> davmor2, indeed :)
[14:58]  * davmor2 prods sil2100 repeated till he gets annoyed and nolonger pretends to be away ;)
[14:58] <kenvandine> davmor2, something i can help with?
[14:58] <kenvandine> charles, thx
[14:58] <davmor2> kenvandine: no
[14:58] <davmor2> kenvandine: I just like to annoy sil2100  :)
[14:59] <kenvandine> charles, published
[14:59] <charles> lol
[14:59] <charles> kenvandine, thanks
[15:36] <pete-woods> jibel: top approved now
[15:59] <robru> davmor2: I can hear & see you just fine
[16:03] <sil2100> jibel: ping
[16:29] <jibel> sil2100, pong
[18:49] <karni> robru: hi, I'd like to request access to the CI Train sheet so I can put Telegram in
[18:49] <robru> karni: ok one sec
[18:51] <karni> Is there any template for "Test plans to run"? We already have one, but it seems clock and reminders-app are using their 'own'/different layouts, so I guess that's fine?
[18:51] <robru> karni: I would just copy & paste an existing one but then change the details to be specific to your program
[18:52] <robru> karni: ok I've given you edit rights on the spreadsheet and also put you in the lp group necessary for triggering builds.
[18:52] <robru> karni: did you read the details about how the train works?
[18:52] <karni> robru: thank you
[18:52] <karni> robru: I think that would be difficult, as our testing sheet is quite extensive https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12ZcjGNJuWCjT4cRSGrwkK10bWbbdAy9S2p3cPkVDW9k/edit#gid=1
[18:53] <robru> karni: oh well if you have a document that explains how to test it, just link that URL in the "test plans" field.
[18:53] <karni> Long story short, I want a single row to be addressed only, but I'll leave that for the notes section
[18:53] <karni> great, thank you robru
[18:53] <robru> karni: you're welcome
[18:54] <karni> robru: where can I read up on 'how the train works'?
[18:54] <robru> karni: also note that the spreadsheet will be replaced in 1-2 weeks so don't spend too much time learning how to use it ;-)
[18:54] <karni> robru: ok, that's ok :)
[18:54] <robru> karni: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/FAQ is a good start with links to other docs
[18:54] <karni> *oh, that's ok - haha
[18:54] <karni> robru: thanks!
[18:54] <robru> karni: you're welcome!
[18:55] <robru> karni: any questions, feel free to ping me, or 'trainguards' to get somebody timezone-appropriate.
[18:55] <robru> karni: and when in doubt -- ask for help before making a mistake ;-)
[18:55] <karni> aha, I see the chan title now. great :)
[18:55] <karni> yessir
[18:56] <robru> karni: the train isn't as terrible as it used to be, but it still has a lot of bespoke gotchas. you'll learn them over time, no worries.
[18:56] <karni> ok :)
[19:26] <karni> trainguards: what should I put in "Additional source packages to land" (column G of "tarballs and clicks" sheet) in CI Train sheet?
[19:26] <karni> oops.. not sure if I should have used that word (I hope only some folks have highlight for it)
[19:27] <karni> robru: if you're around, question ↑
[19:29] <kenvandine> karni, that's only if you have packages to land that aren't included in bzr branches
[19:29] <kenvandine> like a manual upload
[19:29] <kenvandine> or a sync from a different series
[19:30] <karni> kenvandine: I'm sorry, I still don't get it :( I have a click, it's a non-citrain upload to the store. I have a click I want to have QA'ed. What should I put in there?
[19:30] <bzoltan_> robru: sil2100: so what blocks the silo11 from landing?
[19:31] <kenvandine> karni, you have a merge proposal right?
[19:31] <kenvandine> i'm actually not familiar with building clicks with citrain
[19:31] <karni> yes, to a library that our app (in a different branch) is using
[19:31] <kenvandine> but i'd imagine you have bzr branches
[19:32] <robru> kenvandine: karni: the train doesn't build clicks.
[19:32] <karni> well.. the build is more complex than bzr branch and click build TBH. we have a dependency
[19:32] <kenvandine> so you skip the addition packages
[19:32] <karni> okay :)
[19:32] <kenvandine> but i guess it isn't what you want anyway :/
[19:32] <robru> bzoltan_: did you miss my last message? I said you have to fix the version number in your MP, you put the vivid version when it needs the wily version.
[19:33] <robru> karni: basically you have to indicate in the notes not to assign a silo because that's meaningless, then you need to build your click yourself and link to it from the MP field. then ping QA about it.
[19:33] <robru> karni: basically this is a giant hack and totally unsupported by any infra. but the spreadsheet replacement will come soon and handle this better.
[19:33] <bzoltan_> robru: sorry, I am confused. The PPA seems to have right packages: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011
[19:34] <karni> robru: gotcha, thanks!
[19:34] <karni> kenvandine: thank you for your help anyway :)
[19:34] <kenvandine> np
[19:34] <robru> bzoltan_: wtf... looking
[19:36] <robru> bzoltan_: I don't know what's going on, did you delete revisions from the branch or something?
[19:36] <bzoltan_> robru: I have not done anything special... after your message I have updated the branch and pushed a new build... what failed with the message you can see on the silo dash
[19:37] <robru> bzoltan_: as far as I can tell from what's in the MP and what the build logs indicate, it looks like you built -gles correctly with the correct version number, then broke the version number, then built again and got the error that the version number is wrong, then changed the MP back to the correct version number, but didn't rebuild again.
[19:38] <robru> bzoltan_: if you look at the build logs, there's a successful one an hour before the most recent failed one, and they both reference the same revision number.
[19:38] <bzoltan_> robru: so what should I do?
[19:38] <robru> bzoltan_: I'm going to try a watch-only build and see what happens. worst case it might need another rebuild. but the MP looks correct at this point.
[19:39] <bzoltan_> robru:  All right. Just ping me if I need to rebuild the main and bump the gles version
[19:40] <robru> bzoltan_: can you smoke-test the silo contents since they were rebuilt?
[19:40] <bzoltan_> robru:  only tomorrow morning :) I am on holiday and soom 10pm
[19:41]  * bzoltan_ hides from the wife already
[19:41] <robru> bzoltan_: ok, watch_only seems to have worked, but my concern is that the packages were rebuilt since QA approved it, so there's potential for regression there.
[19:41] <bzoltan_> robru:  is there a friendly QA dude around here who could take a quick look?
[19:42] <robru> jibel: any qa'ers that can quickly recheck silo 11?
[19:43] <robru> davmor2: ^
[19:43] <robru> ToyKeeper: ^ ;-)
[19:45] <ToyKeeper> Oi, what changed in the rebuild?
[19:45] <ToyKeeper> UITK isn't generally a "quickly recheck" sort of deal.
[19:45] <robru> ToyKeeper: basically nothing, just need a quick smoketest to make sure it didn't explode.
[19:46] <robru> ToyKeeper: i think it's just a version bump because of reasons, but it needed a rebuilt
[19:46] <ToyKeeper> When it was tested before, it took 5 hours.
[19:47] <robru> ToyKeeper: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/landing_12-6-2015/revision/1536 here's the newest commit that got rebuilt, just translations.
[19:47] <ToyKeeper> Fortunately, it's almost always solid.
[19:47] <robru> ToyKeeper: yeah we don't need the full 5 hours, if you could just poke at it for 10-20 minutes to confirm it turns on that'd be super.
[19:48] <ToyKeeper> I'll take a look...
[20:09] <ToyKeeper> robru: I don't see anything obviously broken...
[20:10] <robru> ToyKeeper: great, thanks!
[20:10] <ToyKeeper> A little confused why it didn't land three days ago after being approved though...  or did it?
[20:12] <robru> ToyKeeper: no it didn't. what happened was they pushed new commits since the approval so the train refused to publish because there were new commits that hadn't been built
[21:30] <robru> cjwatson: bah, I broked copy2distro on snakefruit, can you help me troubleshoot? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cicopy.log says "not found" but it shouldn't be that bad...
[21:34] <robru> infinity: ping? ^
[21:48] <infinity> robru: I'm wandering by in passing between a nap and a nap, but lemme look.
[21:48] <robru> infinity: so i modified that file, but i didn't move/delete it, not sure why it would say "not found"
[21:48] <robru> infinity: a previous copy of that log had a traceback I was working to fix.
[21:49] <robru> infinity: can you paste me a copy of /home/ubuntu-archive/cu2d/run.sh ?
[21:49] <infinity> robru: Because you switched from python2 to python3, and snakefruit no haz.
[21:49] <robru> infinity: can we make it have python3?
[21:51] <infinity> robru: If 3.2 is good enough for you, you could ask IS nicely.  If you happen to need various extensions ported, though, and you mistakenly believe snakefruit is a recent release, you'll be disappointed.
[21:51] <infinity> (it's precise)
[21:51] <robru> bah
[21:51] <robru> infinity: I have backports of stuff I need prepped, but it's all for trusty
[21:51] <infinity> Are you familiar with the saying "write to the infrastructure you want, not the infrastructure you have"?
[21:52] <infinity> If not, that's because no one says that.
[21:52] <robru> infinity: well 99% of what I'm dealing with is trusty, so what's what I write for. then snakefruit stabs me in the eyes out of nowhere.
[21:53] <infinity> Make it both 2 and 3 compatible, and use a 2 shebang for now until snakefruit is upgraded?
[21:53] <infinity> I mean, assuming you need stuff that's not built for 3 in precise, but that seems pretty amazingly likely.
[21:53] <infinity> Especially if you use, say, lplib.
[21:53] <robru> infinity: ok, will do. it's just that I dropped python 2 support from a bunch of stuff recently thinking I had all my deps covered for trusty.
[21:55] <robru> infinity: snakefruit has python-six right? I think I asked for that a while ago
[21:57] <infinity> robru: https://pastebin.canonical.com/134046/
[21:57] <robru> infinity: goodie, thanks
[22:23] <robru> there we go


[10:41]  * Kartagis is now playing Evanescence - Solitude (Your Secret Admirer)
[14:56] <thepapaz> selamun aleyküm
[14:57] <turgay> a.s


[00:16] <MiddleOfNowhere> Anyone in here familiar with Windows Server 2003?
[00:24] <Justin___> Wouldn't that dump all their home files to /var/www and change the user/guid to their login then another person's login etc etc .. there are going to be 5 or 6 people ftp'ing this server ..
[02:30] <reid> Hi.. If I wanted to set up my network in such a way as WAN---->ubuntu-server---->router---->      how would I accomplish this on the server, given that I have 2 NIC cards in it
[02:30] <giovani> reid: you want your server to act as a router, or a bridge, or what?
[02:30] <reid> well, my server is currently a torrentbox/fileserver,  but it has SERIOUS trouble working from behind the router
[02:31] <reid> so that is my incentive,  im not sure how to execute it properly =P
[02:31] <giovani> ok, well, I can't design your network for you
[02:31] <giovani> do you have multiple IPs from your ISP, or just one?
[02:31] <reid> just one
[02:31] <giovani> then you can't really do what you want to do
[02:31] <reid> =(
[02:31] <giovani> without making everything more messy
[02:32] <reid> lol, looks like I have to find out why my torrents are moving so ridiculously slow on my server then when its behind the router
[02:32] <giovani> your ports probably aren't properly configured and forwarded
[02:32] <reid> I literally get a difference of 900 k/s in front, but only 100 k/s behind
[02:32] <giovani> and therefore, you're only getting local peers
[02:32] <giovani> and not remote peers
[02:33] <reid> well, afaik they are configured
[02:33] <giovani> well I'm telling you that they probably aren't
[02:33] <reid> on the router I'm forwarding 30000-30100 to the server, and those are the ports that bittornado is listening on
[02:33] <giovani> it accounts for 95-99% of the time there's a speed issue
[02:34] <giovani> well it's possible that bittornado is listening on other ports, I don't know
[02:34] <giovani> it's not a very good torrent client
[02:34] <reid> well, I'm using it for torrentflux
[02:34] <giovani> yeah
[02:34] <giovani> that doesn't make it a better torrent client :)
[02:35] <reid> lol
[02:35] <reid> do you know of a similar solution as torrentflux, that uses a different client?
[02:35] <giovani> you could try rtorrent
[02:35] <giovani> and a web-based frontend for it
[02:36] <reid> *drool* rtorrent
[02:36] <giovani> unlike bittornado, it's actively developed
[02:37] <giovani> do you need a web frontend?
[02:37] <giovani> or would a console interface work ok?
[02:38] <reid> well, a web frontend would be nice.  but then again the only reason I want this server would be to output the movies and stuff remotely to my HDTV
[02:38] <reid> most likely via rdesktop =P
[02:38] <reid> and a web frontend doesn't really help me do that
[02:39] <giovani> well there are web-based frontends for libtorrent (rtorrent's base code)
[02:39] <giovani> or you can use rtorrent, which is a console interface
[02:39] <giovani> there are even desktop apps that can connect to rtorrent/libtorrent remotely
[02:39] <giovani> plenty of options
[02:39] <giovani> http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/UtilsList
[02:40] <reid> awesome, thanks a lot man..  opened my eyes hah.  maybe Torrentflux just sucks
[02:40] <reid> been pullin out my hair trying to get it to work properly lol
[02:40] <giovani> torrentflux doesn't suck ... it just doesn't support decent torrent clients
[02:40] <reid> yeah
[02:43] <giovani> apt-get install rtorrent and you're done :)
[02:47] <reid> lol
[02:47] <reid> imma ssh to my server right now and do just that, and see if its something I could handle long-term
[02:48] <giovani> the console interface takes some getting used to
[02:48] <giovani> if you don't like it -- just use a web interface
[02:48] <reid> yeah torrentflux is in the repos though lol
[02:48] <reid> im so lazy
[02:50] <giovani> rtpg-www is in the repos too
[02:50] <giovani> (one of the web frontends for rtorrent)
[02:55] <reid> oh, its only in jaunty repo though huh
[02:59] <giovani> guess so
[02:59] <giovani> it's really not hard to install a web frontend though
[02:59] <giovani> you should learn
[03:00] <LapLander> May I ask a question?
[03:00] <giovani> !ask
[03:01] <LapLander> I have a new Ubuntu server - I installed SNMP client, was told it was installed, but no /etc/snmp. I tried removing and reinstaling, same result - I am new to Ubuntu and not sure where to start looking to see what went wrong
[03:02] <giovani> LapLander: what package did you install?
[03:02] <LapLander> used apt-get install snmp scli tkmib
[03:03] <giovani> well why are you looking in /etc/?
[03:03] <giovani> what are you looking for, exactly?
[03:03] <LapLander> Where else should I find /etc/snmp/snmp.conf - according to the man I was reading, that is where it gets configured after install
[03:04] <giovani> what manpage?
[03:04] <LapLander> I am a few days away - will have to retrace my steps to find that
[03:05] <giovani> ok ... well are you not using the apps you just installed?
[03:05] <giovani> I'm not sure what function snmp.conf might serve -- but surely if you don't even know why you want it ... you don't need it
[03:05] <giovani> the 'snmp' package provides a wealth of snmp client utilities
[03:06] <giovani> I presume they're what you're looking for -- why not run them?
[03:08] <LapLander> The ones I have tried act like SNMP is not installed - no response is what I get to the snmp queries I try
[03:08] <giovani> ok wait
[03:08] <giovani> what do mean they "act like SNMP is not installed"?
[03:08] <giovani> the utilities are only there, and can be run because you installed the snmp package
[03:09] <giovani> are you confusing the server with clients?
[03:09] <LapLander> Isn't snmp.conf where the community string is set
[03:09] <giovani> I think you're confusing roles here
[03:09] <LapLander> I don't think so
[03:09] <giovani> heh
[03:09] <giovani> snmp is a set of query utilities, nothing more
[03:10] <giovani> it's not the agent itself
[03:11] <giovani> maybe you're looking for 'snmpd'
[03:11] <giovani> which is the agent
[03:12] <giovani> which you configure in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[03:13] <LapLander> Ok, I guess I misunderstood - thanks for clarifying it
[03:13] <giovani> no problem
[06:07] <SockPants> hello all
[06:08] <SockPants> is there a way to use ubuntu server to broadcast internet radio?
[08:53] <SockPants> hi
[08:53] <SockPants> does ubuntu server 8.04 use alsa or oss or how do i find out on my system?
[09:13] <SockPants> is there a way to see what process is using a sound device is ALSA?
[09:39] <isaacsm> SockPants: lsof /dev/snd
[13:20] <eagles0513875> i have shoutcast configured on my linuxbox but for some reason i cant start the server i keep getting bash: ./sc_serv: no such file or directory and i am in the directory where i have shoutcast
[13:50] <beawesomeinstead> is it possible to mount (non-block) disk image via fstab? getting error that says it tries to mount disk image before parent partition...
[14:43] <LyonJT> Hey,
[14:43] <LyonJT> i have a squid proxy server running
[14:44] <LyonJT> but when i try to use it from another network i get a access denied message shown
[14:44] <LyonJT> why is thi
[14:53] <LyonJT> MiddleOfNowhere: Check out #windows
[15:45] <matt1211> Hi, does anyone know how I can configure the netatalk package on my server to mount a directory other than the home directory by default to my finder?
[15:50] <giovani> !weekend | matt1211
[15:51] <giovani> matt1211: also, netatalk ... is not the most common package ... you'd be better off reading their documentation, or finding their support channel
[16:52] <giovani> hmm, where did main.cf go from the postfix package in jaunty?
[16:52] <giovani> am I missing something obvious?
[16:54] <matt1211> Is there a package for ubuntu that fixes permissions for users?
[16:54] <infinity> matt1211: In what sense?
[16:54] <giovani> matt1211: what do you mean by "fixes"?
[16:56] <matt1211> Well, when I try and create a user with my admin account on ubuntu, it says account expired, pam authorization failed.  I tried with root user and the same thing happens.
[16:56] <giovani> how did you create the user? what command, exactly, was used?
[16:57] <matt1211> sudo adduser username
[16:57] <infinity> And when you log in to "username", it's expired?
[16:57] <infinity> That usually indicated a clock issue.
[16:57] <infinity> (ie: your computer thinks it's 1900?)
[16:57] <giovani> could be dead CMOS
[16:57] <giovani> matt1211: run "date" at the command line
[16:58] <giovani> paste the output here
[16:58] <infinity> *shrug* ...  :P
[16:59] <giovani> that's not good
[16:59] <infinity> Nah, it's just that I have a lot of machines that don't have battery-backed clocks.
[16:59] <matt1211> date
[16:59] <matt1211> Sun Apr 19 08:59:01 PDT 2009
[17:00] <matt1211> that's the output
[17:00] <infinity> Okay, so it's not clock skew.   Fun.
[17:00] <infinity> matt1211: When do you get the error?  When you create the user, or when you try to log in with it?
[17:00] <matt1211> when I create the user
[17:00] <infinity> Oh, that's kinda special.
[17:01] <giovani> it says "pam authorization failed" when you create the user?
[17:01] <giovani> really?
[17:07] <matt1211> yes, that's the error I get.  how can I fix it? is there a way to reinstall those functions or something?
[17:08] <infinity> What does "passwd -S username" output?
[17:09] <matt1211> do this on a user that I have tried to create?
[17:09] <infinity> Yes.
[17:09] <matt1211> Or just my admin one
[17:09] <infinity> Unless it's not actually creating them at all...?
[17:10] <matt1211> no it creates them
[17:10] <matt1211> sort of
[17:10] <infinity> Kay.  Then yes, "passwd -S <name of new user>"
[17:13] <matt1211> it says test P and then a date.
[17:13] <infinity> ....
[17:13] <matt1211> test is the username
[17:13] <infinity> Can't copy and paste the line?
[17:13] <infinity> Looking for something like "adconrad P 05/13/2008 0 99999 7 -1"
[17:13] <matt1211> il try
[17:14] <matt1211> test P 04/19/2009 0 99999 7 -1
[17:14] <infinity> Okay, none of that looks like an expired password.  "grep test /etc/passwd" to see if the account is set expired?
[17:15] <infinity> (Should be something like "test:x:1002:1002:Test User,,,:/home/test:/bin/bash")
[17:15] <infinity> The "x" for the second field is what I'm curious about.
[17:17] <matt1211>  test /etc/passwd
[17:17] <matt1211> test:x:1007:1007::/home/test:/bin/bash
[17:18] <matt1211> that is what I got
[17:19] <infinity> Okay, I'm at a loss.  It all looks fine.
[17:20] <infinity> What's exact pam error when you create a user?
[17:20] <infinity> (And it is when you run "adduser" right, not when you're running "sudo somecommand"?)
[17:21] <matt1211> can I just reinstall the part of ubuntu that deals with creating users or something?
[17:21] <infinity> Your user is being created fine.
[17:21] <infinity> This is why I'm trying to figure out what your actual problem is.
[17:22] <infinity> When do you get the PAM error, exactly?  After adduser has run and asked you all the questions, or before the questions?
[17:22] <infinity> And do you have the exact error to copy and paste, rather than paraphrasing?
[17:24] <matt1211> chfn: PAM authentication failed
[17:24] <matt1211> adduser: `/usr/bin/chfn test' returned error code 1. Exiting.
[17:26] <matt1211> does that mean anything?
[17:26] <infinity> That doesn't look like the "account expired" you were previously describing...
[17:28] <matt1211> that is above it, it just says your account has expired, please contact your system administrator.
[17:28] <infinity> Ah-ha.
[17:29] <infinity> Right, this is due to you having unlocked and subsequently half-broken your root account.
[17:29] <matt1211> okay, is there a way to fix it?
[17:29] <matt1211> or do I have to reinstall ubuntu.
[17:30] <infinity> Try:
[17:30] <infinity> sudo passwd --unlock root
[17:30] <infinity> sudo usermod --lock root
[17:30] <infinity> (It's a sketchy workaround for how we deal with locked/unlocked root accounts)
[17:32] <infinity> Basically, I'm assuming that at one point you set a root password, then you re-locked root witn "passwd -l root", as various HOWTOs out there say you should?
[17:32] <infinity> That completely breaks how PAM authenticates the root account.
[17:32] <matt1211> that fixed it, thanks!
[17:32] <infinity> "sudo passwd --unlock root; sudo usermod --lock root" should return yout root account to the more-or-less pristine locked state it was in when you installed the system.
[17:36] <matt1211> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:36] <matt1211> woops, sorry
[17:36] <matt1211> wrong window
[18:29] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys, what's the user that runs squid on Intrepid?
[18:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> proxy, iirc
[19:29] <a1fa> hey
[19:29] <a1fa> what files are needed for netboot?
[19:33] <giovani> !netboot | a1fa
[19:34] <giovani> a1fa: you want to PXE boot and do a network install?
[19:34] <giovani> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[19:38] <a1fa> got that
[19:38] <a1fa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WindowsServerNetboot
[19:38] <a1fa> i used this guide
[19:39] <a1fa> and stupid thing is trying to load pxelinux.cfg/00..000, MACADD, IP, HOSTNAME, DOMAIN
[19:39] <a1fa> everything but linux
[19:39] <giovani> ok, well that guide looks ancient
[19:39] <giovani> hoary and breezy
[19:40] <giovani> that's like a 4 year old guide
[19:40] <giovani> probably heavily out of date
[19:41] <a1fa> true but principal is the same
[19:41] <a1fa> netboot, pxelinux.cfg, linux and initrd.gz
[19:41] <giovani> yes, but the files may be quite different
[19:41] <giovani> read the basic Netboot guide
[19:41] <giovani> rather than the one specific to windows
[19:43] <a1fa> hm
[19:55] <genii> If your client is trying to load a file whic is it's mac or so, likely your dhcp server is not giving it an address
[20:10] <theuser1> i have a 24/7 dsl and kubuntu as an os. i dont know how to do something. i mean i want o make some use of it... may be a webserver... or what else.can any one comment?
[20:15] <matt1211> Hi, how can I find the password to my mysql root user? I forget what I set it as.
[20:18] <cheleo> anyone has upgraded to jaunty-server ?
[20:19] <infinity> matt1211: You can't find it if you didn't put it anywhere, but you can reset it.
[20:20] <matt1211> okay, how do I do that?
[20:21] <infinity> http://www.howtoforge.com/reset-forgotten-mysql-root-password has the reasonably simple instructions.
[20:30] <matt1211> ah, just a question what is the command to stop and start mysql? I think its /etc/init but I'm not sure about the rest
[20:31] <josspyker> /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[20:38] <a1fa> ah this crap aint workin :(
[20:40] <genii> Might want sudo with that init.d command
[20:42] <theuser1> what is the difference in openssh and sshd?
[20:42] <giovani> cheleo: I haven't done an upgrade, but I have a jaunty server or two, yes
[20:42] <giovani> theuser1: the client and the server
[20:46] <matt1211> how can I reinstall mysql package? the instructions for resetting the root passwd are not working for me.
[20:47] <giovani> matt1211: you don't need to reinstall mysql
[20:47] <giovani> that's serious overkill
[20:47] <matt1211> ?
[20:48] <giovani> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html#resetting-permissions-unix
[20:48] <giovani> there is the official documentation
[20:48] <giovani> it's going to work
[20:48] <giovani> if you follow it
[20:48] <matt1211> how can I change password then, I forgot mine and instructions are not working.
[20:49] <matt1211> ah
[20:49] <giovani> what "didn't work"?
[20:49] <giovani> be more specific
[20:49] <giovani> there were only 3 steps in the first set of instructions you were given -- was an error returned? what happened?
[20:50] <matt1211> instructions from this url. http://www.howtoforge.com/reset-forgotten-mysql-root-password
[20:50] <giovani> yes ... be specific about what "didn't work"
[20:50] <matt1211> had trouble with the part just after the odd restart.
[20:51] <giovani> matt1211: I've asked you repeatedly to be specific
[20:51] <giovani> "had trouble" is nowhere near specific enough
[20:53] <matt1211> okay, I restarted the mysql database and bypassed the tables, and went into it with the root user, but when I typed the update user command to change the password, and the flush command, it didn't give any errors, but when I restarted the password still hadn't changed.
[20:53] <giovani> it didn't tell you to restart mysql
[20:53] <giovani> it told you to shut it down, and then start safe mode
[20:54] <matt1211> I did start it in safe mode.
[20:55] <giovani> you probably typoed somewhere
[20:55] <giovani> here's yet another guide: http://www.nixexp.com/index.php/2006/12/16/how-can-i-reset-mysql-root-password-root-password-recovery/
[20:55] <a1fa> hm.. its not even trying to pull down its tftp image
[20:55] <a1fa> thats whats crazy about it
[20:55] <giovani> a1fa: that implies a typo in the config, or a bad setup
[20:56] <a1fa> all looks good
[20:56] <a1fa> tripple checked it
[20:56] <a1fa> it pulls pxelinux.0
[20:57] <a1fa> and thats it
[20:57] <giovani> well clearly something isn't good :)
[20:58] <giovani> where'd you get your netboot files from?
[20:58] <a1fa> ubuntu.com
[20:58] <giovani> where specifically
[20:58] <a1fa> hm
[21:00] <a1fa> not working yet again
[21:00] <giovani> can you tell me where you got your netboot files?
[21:00] <a1fa>  http://mirror.anl.gov/
[21:00] <a1fa> 8.10 and 9.04
[21:00] <giovani> sigh
[21:01] <a1fa> do you want full url?
[21:01] <giovani> ok, well, jaunty isn't released yet
[21:01] <a1fa> either image
[21:01] <a1fa> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
[21:01] <a1fa> both do the same thing
[21:03] <a1fa> i manually tested the tftp server and it works
[21:04] <a1fa> in terms of default and images
[21:05] <giovani> and what shows up on the pxe booted machine?
[21:05] <giovani> does it present an error?
[21:05] <a1fa> cant find pxelinux.cfg boot image
[21:05] <a1fa> but when i do it manually its there
[21:06] <giovani> well I'd stick a network tap around the pxe machine and watch every packet going in and out
[21:06] <giovani> and see if it's not looking in the right place
[21:07] <matt1211> Okay, that worked, thank you for your help!
[21:08] <giovani> matt1211: in the future, with mysql-specific stuff, that isn't ubuntu related -- check out #mysql
[21:09] <a1fa> i got a tap up
[21:09] <giovani> a1fa: great, do a full packet dump
[21:09] <giovani> and I'll take a look at it
[21:09] <matt1211> okay, I'll do that.
[21:16] <a1fa> Error Code, Code: Not defined, Message: TFTP Aborted\000
[21:16] <giovani> a1fa: that doesn't look like a packet dump to me :)
[21:16] <giovani> can you post the entire pcap file somewhere?
[21:17] <matt1211> What is the command to delete a databse in mysql?
[21:17] <giovani> matt1211: this channel is really not for mysql-focused info
[21:17] <a1fa> lol
[21:18] <giovani> you can find that answer on google, or in #mysql, or in the wonderful mysql documentation on the website
[21:18] <a1fa> giovanio: i am actually looking into this
[21:18] <a1fa> it looks like it never pulls pxelinux.0
[21:18] <a1fa> but thats a whole another problem
[21:19] <giovani> it sounds like you have fundamental config issues with DHCP
[21:23] <genii> Make sure RUN_DAEMON="yes"           is set in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
[21:31] <a1fa> *nstinks
[21:31] <a1fa> this really nlows
[21:34] <a1fa> crazy.. the file is there manually
[21:34] <a1fa> it successfully loads pxelinux.0
[21:34] <a1fa> but thats about it
[21:38] <genii> a1fa: You are using the network boot kernel image, or a mounted install iso, or what?
[21:40] <a1fa> network boot kernel
[21:40] <a1fa> i am giving up
[21:41] <a1fa> i am building a ubuntu vmware
[21:41] <a1fa> and about to to dd over network :)
[21:44] <a1fa> its amazing how dust affects DVD rom drives
[21:44] <a1fa> both xbox and my workstation dvd drives dont want to eject dvds
[21:48] <theuser1>  i need a free vnc software for both windows xp and kubuntu. i what to make windows and kubuntu both as some times client and some times server. need ecryptiiiiionn say ssh if possible. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software if you want to ?
[21:50] <a1fa> tinyvnc
[21:51] <a1fa> ultravnc
[21:51] <a1fa> either way
[21:51] <a1fa> ssh it if you want
[21:51] <a1fa> hm.. i dont have hardware raid controller.. i tought lvm will let you setup lvm raid in installer?
[21:53] <giovani> thefish: this channel doesn't support GUIs on ubuntu server
[21:53] <giovani> so, VNC won't be relevant here
[21:56] <a1fa> ah if there was only way to make 1U server more quiet
[21:56] <giovani> a1fa: there is ... there's nothing inherently loud about a 1U server
[21:56] <giovani> obviously you can use lower-flow fans
[21:56] <genii> a1fa: Better fans? ;)
[21:56] <giovani> lower speed fans
[21:57] <giovani> however, typically ... yeah, due to a tight fit of components, 1Us ship with very fast fans
[21:57] <genii> Some of those Sun 1U boxes sound like an F-18 ready to take off, when you power them onn
[21:58] <giovani> genii: it's, unfortunately, the best way to ensure the box doesn't die when it's stacked above and below overheated boxes
[21:58]  * Nafallo loves when DL385s turn on :-)
[21:58] <Nafallo> s/turn/power/
[21:58] <genii> giovani: Yes, it's understandable. Just when you're in the data centre the white noise kills you after a while
[21:59] <giovani> genii: ear-plugs
[21:59] <giovani> I always wear them at datacenters
[21:59] <theuser1>  i need a free vnc software for both windows xp and kubuntu. i what to make windows and kubuntu both as some times client and some times server. need ecryptiiiiionn say ssh if possible. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software if you want to ?
[21:59] <giovani> thefish: I've already responded to you
 thefish: this channel doesn't support GUIs on ubuntu server
 so, VNC won't be relevant here
[21:59] <giovani> so please stop asking that question
[21:59] <Nafallo> Nokia BH-604
[21:59] <genii> giovani: You hit tab-complete for the wrong nick of the vnc enquirer
[21:59] <Nafallo> I always wear them ;-)
[22:00] <giovani> genii: oh, indeed I did, thank you for pointing that out
[22:00] <genii> Nafallo: Earplugs?
[22:00] <Nafallo> http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4577624
[22:00] <giovani> genii: nah, big headphones
[22:00] <giovani> not really gonna work in datacenters, imo
[22:00] <genii> Hehe
[22:00] <giovani> I have some bose
[22:00] <Nafallo> giovani: really? they work quite damn well for me :-)
[22:00] <giovani> full ear canal blockage is the only want to ensure protection for your ears
[22:09] <a1fa> wow
[22:09] <a1fa> server install fail
[22:09] <a1fa> it could not boot off scsi drive
[22:10] <genii> a1fa: You have the scsi host adapter bios set for the drive you also specified in the install?
[22:10] <genii> Also is there proper terminaltion, etc etc
[22:17] <Nafallo> giovani: hmm. any of those ear canal stuff would have bluetooth you reckon? :-)
[22:17] <Nafallo> I'm addicted to my music while working :-)
[22:18] <giovani> Nafallo: yes, I've seen some of them
[22:18] <Nafallo> giovani: any idea where? I'm very interested :-)
[22:18] <giovani> I'll google around
[22:18] <giovani> or you can
[22:18] <giovani> why do you like bluetooth?
[22:18] <giovani> the audio quality is horrible
[22:19] <Nafallo> giovani: I've had enough wires getting caught in racks in my days...
[22:19] <giovani> Nafallo: just run it under your shirt or something
[22:19] <giovani> cheaper, no battery to discharge, and higher quality
[22:19] <giovani> and smaller
[22:19] <Nafallo> still comes out somewhere, and my shirts don't usually go over my head :-)
[22:20] <Nafallo> giovani: mobile gets usb-charged anyway. so battery isn't a worry.
[22:20] <a1fa> genii: yup
[22:20] <giovani> Nafallo: ok
[22:20] <Nafallo> quality will only be as good as the n95-2 can do anyway. ;-)
[22:20] <genii> a1fa: What adapter?
[22:23] <genii> (some Adaptec require PNP to be off or CAMI to be be off, etc)
[22:50] <a1fa> dont know
[22:50] <a1fa> need to check
[23:10] <giovani> a1fa: don't presume any adapter is supported
[23:10] <giovani> especially with something specialized (and generally being phased out) like scsi controllers