[04:53] <jrib> SARA: hello
[04:53] <SARA> heyy!
[04:54] <jrib> ok, do you have the wiki page opened up (about backports)?
[04:54] <SARA> yes
[04:55] <jrib> Alright, go down to the section that says "How to use"
[04:55] <SARA> ok
[04:55] <jrib> Then "Through Synaptic Package Manager"
[04:56] <jrib> That is the information we need.  Now open up Synaptic:  Applications > administration > synaptic
[04:56] <SARA> got it
[04:56] <jrib> ok, in synaptic, go to  Settings > repositories
[04:57] <SARA> ok
[04:58] <jrib> ok, I *think* this will work, we'll see: Go to the "Internet Updates" tab
[04:58] <jrib> then you should see a checkbox for "Backported updates"
[04:58] <SARA> i dont have the option
[04:59] <jrib> which do you have?
[04:59] <nalioth> ummm, i'd stay away from backports
[04:59] <SARA> check for updates ...Dl updates in the background,but do not install and install security updates
[04:59] <jrib> nalioth: for flash
[04:59] <nothlit> nalioth, are they that unstable?
[05:00] <jrib> SARA: erm ok.  Well go to the "Third Party" tab then
[05:00] <nalioth> no, but can't you wait less than 6 months?
[05:00] <nothlit> nalioth, what about people running LTS
[05:00] <jrib> SARA: then hit the "add" button, and use this line: deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:01] <SARA> which tab do i do that with
[05:01] <jrib> SARA: Third Party
[05:01] <SARA> dont have it
[05:01] <nothlit> the repo UI is different depending on edgy or dapper
[05:01] <jrib> SARA: you're using edgy?
[05:01] <SARA> yeah
[05:01] <nalioth> nothlit: LT(long term)S(tability)
[05:01] <jrib> why is your synaptic so different than mine :/
[05:02] <SARA> maybe i dont than...i had breezy and updated like 6 months ago
[05:02] <jrib> !version
[05:02] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type 'lsb_release -a' in the Terminal.
[05:02] <nothlit> The choose Sources app was significantly improved in edgy
[05:02] <nothlit> nalioth, ahh :)
[05:03] <nothlit> 'Software Properties' i think
[05:03] <nalioth> nothlit: unlike Windows(tm) where each release holds the hope of a more stable product, in linux, newer != better
[05:03] <SARA> its not doing anything
[05:03] <jrib> SARA: what did you type?
[05:03] <SARA> 'lsb_release -a'
[05:03] <jrib> SARA: no quotes
[05:04] <nothlit> nalioth, depends on your usage, i like rolling releases
[05:04] <jrib> SARA: hit ctrl-d if you are stuck
[05:04] <nothlit> err ctrl+d is exit/logout
[05:04] <jrib> no
[05:04] <SARA> dapper
[05:05] <SARA> sorry :(
[05:05] <jrib> SARA: k, well we'll just do it manually
[05:05] <jrib> SARA: enter this command exactly:   gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:05] <SARA> ok
[05:05] <nothlit> jrib, no? ctrl-c is cancel/kill i thought
[05:05] <SARA> in teminal
[05:06] <SARA> ** (gedit:1338): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed
[05:06] <nalioth> SARA: ignore the terminal
[05:06] <nothlit> does gedit show up?
[05:07] <SARA> ok i have a sources list that came up
[05:07] <SARA> pastebin it?
[05:07] <jrib> SARA: sure
[05:08] <jrib> nothlit: yeah
[05:08] <SARA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2715/
[05:09] <jrib> SARA: change all of the "hoary" into "dapper"
[05:09] <SARA> how?
[05:09] <nalioth> no no no
[05:09] <jrib> SARA: it's a text editor, edit your text :)
[05:09] <nalioth> no no no no no
[05:09] <nalioth> NO NO
[05:09] <nalioth> don't do it
[05:09] <jrib> heh, explain
[05:10] <nalioth> can't skip releases
[05:10] <jrib> nalioth: she's on dapper
[05:10] <nalioth> you'll bugger the system royally
[05:10] <jrib> nalioth: the hoary repos are commented out
[05:10] <nalioth> ahhh
[05:10] <SARA> do i do it?
[05:11] <SARA> ok well i did it so what do i do next?
[05:11] <jrib> SARA: it's fine, alternatively you can just delete those lines
[05:11] <SARA> save it?
[05:11] <jrib> not yet
[05:11] <SARA> ok
[05:12] <jrib> SARA: change http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[05:12] <SARA> which one the first or second under primary mirros
[05:13] <jrib> SARA: the first one.  The second line you can delete
[05:13] <SARA> ok did it
[05:13] <jrib> ok pastebin your new one if you want.  Or you can just save and exit
[05:14] <SARA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2716/
[05:14] <jrib> SARA: wait, you need to remove the # from the front of line 17 too
[05:14] <SARA> huh
[05:15] <SARA> i dont have 17 lines
[05:15] <jrib> SARA: look at your pastebin
[05:15] <jrib> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2715/
[05:15] <jrib> The one under #Primary Mirror (5/17/2005) overloaded :)
[05:16] <SARA> just remove #
[05:16] <jrib> yes
[05:16] <SARA> ok
[05:16] <jrib> ok
[05:16] <jrib> do you want to pastebin it to be sure it is ok?
[05:17] <SARA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2717/
[05:17] <SARA> PLEASE!
[05:17] <jrib> D:
[05:17] <jrib> SARA: fix line 13, do you see the mistake?
[05:17] <jrib> h-security is supposed to be dapper-security
[05:18] <SARA> ok
[05:18] <SARA> got it
[05:18] <jrib> delete line 17
[05:18] <jrib> it should read:
[05:18] <jrib> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:18] <jrib> bah
[05:18] <jrib> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:18] <jrib> use the last one^
[05:19] <SARA> ok
[05:20] <SARA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2718/
[05:20] <SARA> ok hopefully this one is right
[05:20] <jrib> nothlit: ctrl-d is just EOF, your shell decides to log you out if it wants to, but you can turn that off (just explaining my comment from before :)).  Though you are right, ctrl-c would have probably made more sense
[05:20] <jrib> SARA: yes, now save and exit
[05:20] <SARA> ok did that!
[05:21] <jrib> type this command:
[05:21] <jrib> sudo apt-get update
[05:21] <SARA> 'Primary' is not known on line 16 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <jrib> oh I missed that
[05:21] <SARA> haha :)
[05:21] <jrib> gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:21] <jrib> add the # back in front of Primary
[05:22] <SARA> ok
[05:22] <SARA> did it
[05:22] <jrib> save, exit, sudo apt-get update
[05:23] <SARA> its not letting me save
[05:23] <jrib> what does it say?
[05:23] <nothlit> wow he said no 10 times lol
[05:23] <nothlit> jrib, ah
[05:23] <SARA> im in the read only for source list
[05:24] <jrib> SARA: close it
[05:24] <nothlit> jrib, i'm just used to ctrl+d = logout or exit at an empty prompt
[05:24] <nothlit> jrib, only other time i use it is in checkinstall
[05:24] <jrib> nothlit: ah
[05:24] <SARA> ok i closed it
[05:24] <jrib> SARA: this full command:  gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:25] <SARA> ok and add # again?
[05:25] <jrib> yes
[05:25] <SARA> then save a q?
[05:25] <jrib> yes
[05:25] <SARA> ok did it
[05:25] <SARA> sudo apt-get update?
[05:26] <jrib> yes
[05:26] <SARA> ok
[05:26] <nothlit> and then sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:26] <SARA> it installed
[05:27] <SARA> but when i go to web pages it closes still
[05:28] <jrib> SARA: what do you mean?  Your browser closes?
[05:28] <SARA> yes
[05:28] <SARA> welll i need flash player 7...says the saturn website
[05:28] <jrib> SARA: which is it?  Your browser closes or sites ask you for flash?
[05:29] <SARA> both well flash player is asked for some web site but when i go on like myspace and people have slide shows the brower closes
[05:30] <jrib> SARA: what happens here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/about/
[05:30] <nothlit> err backports contains flash9
[05:30] <nothlit> !info flashplugin-nonfree dapper
[05:30] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:31] <jrib> !info flahsplugin-nonfree dapper-backports
[05:31] <ubotu> Package flahsplugin-nonfree does not exist in dapper-backports
[05:31] <SARA> it brings me to a page where they want me to DL the adobe flash
[05:31] <jrib> pfft
[05:31] <jrib> SARA: close your browser and start it again
[05:31] <SARA> ok now what
[05:31] <jrib> it needs to restart to detect flash
[05:31] <jrib> SARA: go back to that page
[05:31] <SARA> same thing
[05:32] <jrib> SARA: what browser are you using?
[05:32] <SARA> forefox
[05:32] <SARA> firefox*
[05:32] <jrib> SARA: do this command:  ls -l /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/*flash*
[05:33] <SARA> sara@computer:~$  ls -l /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/*flash*
[05:33] <SARA> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2007-01-23 23:28 /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> ../../flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[05:33] <nothlit> jrib, killall firefox ?
[05:33] <jrib> nothlit: yeah, that's a good idea
[05:33] <jrib> SARA: close your browser, then execute:  killall firefox-bin
[05:34] <SARA> put that in my term?
[05:34] <jrib> yep
[05:34] <jrib> after closing the browser
[05:34] <SARA> firefox-bin: no process killed
[05:34] <jrib> ok, what does this say:  readlink -f $(which firefox)
[05:34] <SARA> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[05:35] <jrib> SARA: do you see anything on this site: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[05:36] <SARA> it closed once it started playing
[05:36] <jrib> ok
[05:36] <jrib> SARA: what does this say:   xdpyinfo | grep -i depth\ of
[05:36] <SARA> oh wait i tired it again
[05:36] <SARA> and its working
[05:37] <jrib> SARA: ok, try other sites to see if it happens again
[05:37] <SARA> i did it closed
[05:37] <SARA> the browser
[05:37] <jrib> SARA: ok, tell me what that command says
[05:37] <SARA> how?
[05:38] <jrib> same as before, just enter it:   xdpyinfo | grep -i depth\ of
[05:38] <SARA>   depth of root window:    24 planes
[05:39] <jrib> SARA: ok close firefox
[05:39] <SARA> ok
[05:39] <jrib> SARA: start it like this (all one line):  XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 firefox
[05:40] <SARA> didnt do anything
[05:40] <jrib> SARA: firefox didn't open?
[05:40] <SARA> nope
[05:40] <jrib> SARA: any terminal output?
[05:40] <SARA> yeah it did
[05:41] <jrib> SARA: see if it still crashes
[05:41] <SARA> yup
[05:41] <jrib> SARA: do you have any extensions?
[05:41] <SARA> he program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[05:41] <SARA> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[05:41] <SARA> The error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)'.
[05:41] <SARA>   (Details: serial 188 error_code 165 request_code 143 minor_code 2)
[05:41] <SARA>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[05:41] <SARA>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[05:41] <SARA>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[05:41] <SARA>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[05:41] <SARA>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[05:43] <SARA> thats all it said
[05:43] <jrib> SARA: do you have any extensions?
[05:43] <SARA> i dont know what that means?
[05:44] <jrib> firefox extensions
[05:44] <jrib> tools > extensions  I think
[05:44] <SARA> english lang. pack
[05:44] <jrib> hmm ok.  Let's try one more thing.  Close firefox
[05:44] <SARA> ok
[05:45] <jrib> FIREFOX_DSP=none firefox
[05:45] <SARA> it opened
[05:45] <jrib> try to crash it again
[05:45] <jrib> SARA: What page is crashing it by the way?
[05:45] <nothlit> jrib, you can fix flash bringing down firefox without upgrading?
[05:46] <jrib> nothlit: idk, is there some crashing but with ff1.5?
[05:46] <SARA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2720/
[05:46] <nothlit> jrib, without upgrading flash lol
[05:47] <jrib> nothlit: you mean try flash 7 instead?
[05:48] <nothlit> jrib, nm, i'm asking if you're trying to prevent flash from taking down firefox
[05:48] <nalioth> ah flash
[05:48] <nalioth> gotta use the latest flash for firefox
[05:48] <nothlit> thats what we grabbed from the backports
[05:49] <nalioth> one should use the flash from adobe.com
[05:49] <nalioth> backports can break your box
[05:49] <nalioth> it has always been this way
[05:49] <jrib> heh
[05:50] <jrib> maybe with other pacakges but flash is going to be the same.  We can try the adobe flash anyway and see
[05:50] <nothlit> yeah i get lazy and dump plugins into my home folder
[05:50] <nothlit> jrib, but if you add backports as a repo it'll  try to update stuff?
[05:51] <nalioth> if the pkg is in backports, it'll update from stable/current, yes
[05:51] <jrib> nothlit: true, we could always disable after installing flash though
[05:52] <SARA> if i go to slide.com it says i do not have flash installed
[05:52] <jrib> nothlit, nalioth: I have to go get some work done for tomorrow morning, can you guys try to troubleshoot with SARA ?
[05:53] <nothlit> jrib, sounds like a lot of work when you could just grab the plugin or .deb instead
[05:53] <SARA> canu  help me do that?!
[05:54] <nothlit> i wouldn't know what to do, sounds like you've gone through everything
[05:54] <nothlit> how much does about:plugins tell you
[05:54] <nalioth> jrib: what machine type are we working on?
[05:55] <jrib> nalioth: I assume i386 since it installed through APT, but I did not ask
[05:55] <SARA> ImportError: could not import gtksourceview
[05:55] <SARA> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:55] <SARA>   File "/usr/lib/gedit-2/plugins/modelines.py", line 24, in ?
[05:55] <SARA>     class ModelinePlugin(gedit.Plugin):
[05:55] <SARA> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Plugin'
[05:55] <SARA> ** (gedit:4642): WARNING **: Could not load python module modelines
[05:55] <SARA> ** (gedit:4642): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed
[05:55] <SARA> ** (gedit:4642): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed
[05:55] <SARA> ** (gedit:4642): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed
[05:56] <nothlit> don't worry thats just a gedit plugin failing
[05:56] <nothlit> not the whole app
[05:57] <nothlit> SARA, run 'arch'
[05:57] <SARA> i686
[05:57] <nalioth> nothlit: when you get a moment, i have some flash input
[05:58] <nothlit> nalioth, you can go ahead, irc isn't realtime-critical
[05:59] <nothlit> SARA, open firefox and type about:plugins with no space in the address bar and hit enter
[06:00] <nalioth> SARA: if you've not gotten your flash going, i can perhaps be of assistance
[06:00] <SARA> thank you sooo much!!!!!!!!!!
[06:00] <nalioth> does that mean you're ready to begin?
[06:00] <SARA> YEAH!!!!!!!!!
[06:02] <SARA> im ready
[06:03] <nalioth> ok, please open a consose
[06:03] <nalioth> console
[06:03] <nalioth> bleh
[06:03] <SARA> term?
[06:03] <nalioth> yes, a terminal
[06:03] <nalioth> console
[06:03] <nalioth> bash shell
[06:03] <nalioth> whatever shell you're used to using :)
[06:03] <SARA> ok
[06:04] <nalioth> type "wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" please
[06:04] <nalioth> and then the 'enter' key
[06:05] <SARA> sara@computer:~$ wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:05] <SARA> --00:06:03--  http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:05] <SARA>            => `install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz'
[06:05] <SARA> Resolving fpdownload.macromedia.com... <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:05] <SARA> Connecting to fpdownload.macromedia.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[06:05] <SARA> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[06:05] <SARA> Length: 2,609,703 (2.5M) [application/x-gzip]
[06:05] <SARA> 100%[[06:05] <SARA> 00:06:06 (823.83 KB/s) - `install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' saved [2609703/2609703]
[06:05] <nalioth> SARA: no need to paste anything
[06:05] <SARA> ok
[06:05] <SARA> sorry
[06:05] <nothlit> nalioth, you just going to use the install script?
[06:05] <nalioth> now type "tar xvzf install<press the tab key here>" and "enter"
[06:05] <nalioth> nothlit: yep
[06:06] <SARA> ok
[06:06] <nothlit> nalioth, she might need to remove the flashplugin-nonfree too btw
[06:09] <SARA> ........:)
[06:09] <nalioth> SARA: has it unpacked?
[06:10] <SARA> yeah
[06:10] <SARA> install_flash_player_9_linux/
[06:10] <SARA> install_flash_player_9_linux/Readme.txt
[06:10] <SARA> install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[06:10] <SARA> install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so
[06:10] <SARA> install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt
[06:10] <SARA> thats all it said after
[06:10] <nalioth> SARA: no need to paste  :)
[06:10] <SARA> i know im sorry i just want to make sure im doing it right and not missing anything :(
[06:11] <nalioth> SARA: type 'cd install<tab key is pressed here>' <enter> please
[06:11] <SARA> ok
[06:13] <nalioth> now type ./flashplayer-<tab key again> and <enter>
[06:13] <SARA> ok its says its complete
[06:14] <nalioth> close ALL your firefox/mozilla/galeon/epiphany/other mozilla based browsers, restart your favorite and see if flash works now
[06:15] <SARA> nope still doesnt work
[06:15] <nalioth> it kills firefox, or just doesn't work?
[06:15] <SARA> brower closes
[06:15] <SARA> browser**
[06:16] <SARA> and slide.com says i dont have flash installed
[06:16] <nalioth> SARA: in your terminal, please type "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree <enter>
[06:18] <SARA> ok removed.
[06:19] <nalioth> close your browser and reopen and try again please
[06:19] <nalioth> and what version firefox is it?
[06:19] <SARA> it crashed again
[06:19] <SARA> and idk the version
[06:20] <SARA> 1.50.9
[06:20] <SARA> <IP_ADDRESS>**
[06:21] <nalioth> SARA: have you followed the !firefox instructions?
[06:21] <SARA> yes i have
[06:22] <nalioth> so you should be using firefox 2.0x ?
[06:22] <SARA> how do i get that one?!
[06:23] <nalioth> !firefox
[06:23] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:23] <nalioth> that way
[06:23] <SARA> oh man....
[06:25] <SARA> ok well i extracted firefox now what?!
[06:26] <nalioth> SARA: follow the instructions on that page . . . .
[06:27] <SARA> im lost
[06:28] <nalioth> what part are you not following?
[06:29] <SARA> i dl it and now im not sure what to do?
[06:30] <nalioth> SARA: this script might be useful to you http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/firefox
[06:31] <SARA> Install it to /opt/firefox:
[06:31] <SARA> i dont know how to change my dictory
[06:31] <SARA> Download Firefox from the [WWW]  Firefox website, and change to the directory you downloaded it to.
[06:34] <nothlit> if you used firefox to download it
[06:34] <nothlit> cd ~/Desktop
[06:35] <SARA> i dont understand
[06:35] <nalioth> SARA: try the script at psycocats.net
[06:36] <nalioth> SARA: please don't ever use automatix  :)
[06:37] <SARA> whats that?!
[06:37] <nothlit> a very very very bad thing that could break your system
[06:37] <SARA> oh man!
[06:38] <SARA> sudo aptitude install firefox...is that what i put in my term?
[06:39] <SARA> Enter your choice of localization:
[06:40] <SARA> whats that mean?!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:40] <nalioth> SARA: no
[06:41] <nalioth> aptitude is not gonna install anything, since you already have the latest firefox in the repos
[06:41] <SARA> ok? then what
[06:41] <nalioth> you'll need to follow the howto page or use the script linked from that howto page to get firefox 2.0
[06:41] <SARA> oh man i cant do this
[06:41] <SARA> i give up!
[06:42] <nothlit> localisation is your language, or your language and region, like US English or British English
[06:43] <SARA> oh
[06:43] <SARA> well i dont know how to install 2.0 firefox
[06:43] <nothlit> SARA, wget http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net/installnewfirefox.sh && ./installnewfirefox.sh
[06:45] <SARA> which one?
[06:45] <nothlit> the whole thing
[06:45] <nothlit> as one command
[06:45] <SARA> put that in my term?
[06:46] <nothlit> yes
[06:46] <nothlit> whats in the quotes "wget http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net/installnewfirefox.sh && ./installnewfirefox.sh"
[06:46] <SARA> bash: ./installnewfirefox.sh: Permission denied
[06:47] <SARA> Resolving pykeylogger.sourceforge.net... <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:47] <SARA> Connecting to pykeylogger.sourceforge.net|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[06:47] <SARA> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[06:47] <SARA> Length: 6,044 (5.9K) [application/x-sh]
[06:47] <SARA> 100%[[06:47] <SARA> 00:47:50 (67.40 KB/s) - `installnewfirefox.sh' saved [6044/6044]
[06:47] <SARA> bash: ./installnewfirefox.sh: Permission denied
[06:49] <SARA> what do u think??????
[06:49] <nothlit> oh sorry
[06:49] <nothlit> "chmod +x installnewfirefox.sh && ./installnewfirefox.sh"
[06:50] <SARA> The next step will verify the GPG signature for the firefox archive to assure its integrity. This step is important for your security. However, if you have problems getting this to work right, you may choose 'no' and proceed to installation without signature verification. Do you want to verify the signature [y/n]
[06:50] <SARA> yes or no?
[06:51] <ziGx> hey guys
[06:51] <SARA> yea! it worked!
[06:52] <nothlit> oh its up to you
[06:53] <SARA> omg i love u....FLASH WORKS!!!!!!!!!
[06:53] <nothlit> try y, unless it doesn't work
[06:53] <SARA> thank u sooo much!
[06:53] <nothlit> lol thank nalioth, he provided the solution
[06:53] <SARA> thank u nalioth!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:54] <SARA> <3 thank u again ...good night <3
[06:54] <ziGx> not even a good night kiss
[07:02] <nothlit> don't be perverted


[00:02] <Shock> sarnold: thanks for all the help, I learned a lot tonight. I'll check back tomorrow. good night!
[00:07] <Logan_> ari-tczew: why did you sync connman?
[00:08] <Logan_> "feel free to take" doesn't mean "feel free to indiscriminately sync"
[00:10] <ari-tczew> Logan_: that's yours own understanding, I didn't say that
[00:11] <Logan_> okay, so explain why you dropped the entire delta
[00:12] <ari-tczew> Logan_: because Debian has pulled in our changes
[00:12] <ari-tczew> Logan_: what is it? inspection?
[00:13] <ari-tczew> Logan_: I'm not spying your uploads even if they got in result FTBFS
[00:13] <Logan_> now you're accusing me of spying on you?
[00:13] <Logan_> I was the TIL for that package, and I deferred it to someone else because of the extensive changes that needed to be considered
[00:14] <Logan_> then I see that it was synced in #ubuntu-release
[00:14] <ari-tczew> Logan_: dunno, that was ~10 minutes ago
[00:14] <Logan_> so you don't remember?
[00:14] <ari-tczew> Logan_: I mean that was fresh upload
[00:15] <ari-tczew> answer "dunno" is related to your "spying" topic
[00:19] <Logan_> ari-tczew: did you consider the differences in the install files?
[00:20] <infinity> ari-tczew: Unless the Debian changelog is awfully quiet about it, there's no way this has our entire delta.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Add upstart script.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Add apport hook and crashdb file.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Notify the user a reboot is required after updating connman.
[00:20] <infinity> +    - Don't disable the service if NetworkManager or wicd are installed; we use
[00:21] <infinity> +      Conflicts instead.
[00:21] <infinity> +    - Recommend indicator-network.
[00:21] <infinity> For instance...
[00:21] <infinity> Plus the manpgage changes, etc.
[00:22] <Logan_> all of those are actually in Debian, but there are things that were wiped out of the install file that probably shouldn't have
[00:22] <infinity> Logan_: Really?  Kay, the debian changelog mentions none of them, I haven't actually looked at the source.
[00:22] <Logan_> yeah, the changelog is very sparse in Debian and doesn't reflect everything
[00:25] <dobey> infinity: hi! feeling better?
[00:25] <infinity> dobey: Nope!
[00:25] <dobey> infinity: you going to be able to travel?
[00:26] <infinity> dobey: Yeah, I'll scoop myself on to the plane and medicate with vodka.
[00:26] <dobey> heh
[00:26] <Logan_> ari-tczew: if you want to keep your MOTU rights, I'd suggest that you become more cooperative and less nasty
[00:27] <infinity> Logan_: You might also want to avoid making threats. ;)
[00:27] <dobey> infinity: were you going to push the kernel from quantal-proposed out to -updates, btw?
[00:27] <infinity> (WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?)
[00:27] <infinity> dobey: Yeah, when that whole batch goes out.  Looks like it'll be Monday.
[00:27] <Logan_> infinity: fair enough
[00:28] <dobey> infinity: ah ok
[00:28] <dobey> infinity: hope you feel better tomorrow, and i'll see you in amsterdam :)
[00:28] <infinity> dobey: Do you have some particular interest in quantal, or just can't wait for LP to stop pretending it's a valid release?
[00:29] <infinity> dobey: AMS?  Oh, are we on the same flight to Malta?
[00:29] <dobey> infinity: someone came into #launchpad complaining about quantal being still "supported"
[00:30] <dobey> infinity: yeah, seems about 6 of us are on the same flight from AMS->MLA
[00:30] <infinity> dobey: Yeah, it's amazing how a simple string can annoy people so much.  I'd suggest sending them some white-out.
[00:31] <dobey> infinity: i then discovered i have enough powers to twiddle that bit to make it "obsolete" but then colin mentioned you were going to push a kernel for it
[00:31] <infinity> dobey: 6 of us?  Impressive.  I guess we'll split 2 cabs, or find a van.  And roshambo for the honor of paying/expensing.
[00:32] <dobey> heh
[00:32] <Logan_> Malta? what for?
[00:32] <infinity> dobey: SRSLY?  You have that power?
[00:32] <dobey> infinity: i guess all of ~registry does
[00:33] <infinity> How wonderfully broken.
[00:34] <infinity> Logan_: Canonical sprinty stuff.  Nowhere near as exciting and vacationy as it sounds.
[00:34] <dobey> well, i should go back to getting ready for malta
[00:34] <infinity> Logan_: I might gaze longingly at a beach from a hotel window for a few minutes.
[00:36] <ScottK> Find a manager and make them expense the cab.
[00:39] <ari-tczew> Logan_: yes, I considered. I thought just that it's OK if now connman got splitted off package connman-vpn.
[00:39] <Logan_> ari-tczew: what about the /usr/lib stuff?
[00:40] <Logan_> oh, I see, that's also in the VPN file
[00:41] <Logan_> my apologies for assuming that something went wrong :P
[00:44] <ari-tczew> Logan_: no problem. We all make mistakes.
[05:32] <mlankhorst> so i dreamed that my sru was rejected because my house leaked when i was taking a shower, the fact it was already leaking didn't convince the sru admins :/ so i had to do a new upload to fix that or something, but I woke up
[06:26]  * ScottK takes notes.
[09:00] <Shock> good morning
[09:58] <mqvist> Hi! I hope someone will be help me answer this question! I am writing a small utility that needs to control some parameters for a wireless network card. These parameters can be changed using "iw" and "iwconfig", but I thought I would rather do it directly through libiw. Unfortunately I can't find any documentation for the API. What is the best practice in this case? Is it "ok" to call iw as shell commands, or would that make my utility less
[09:58] <mqvist>  portable to other platforms? (I need to run it on several different platforms)
[09:58] <mqvist> I am writing this in c, btw
[10:09] <sladen> mqvist: fetch the source for 'iw' and 'iwconfig', and see what they do
[10:09] <sladen> mqvist: then you can do that directly
[11:53] <xnox> mlankhorst: we may need to see you every week from now on....
[12:03] <mlankhorst> lol
[20:53] <Shock> sarnold: hi. now that I generated the debdiff, what do I do with it?
[20:54] <xnox> Shock: attach it to the bug report & subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug report.
[20:55] <xnox> Shock: that will trigger it to appear in the sponsorship queue, for review & upload.
[21:05] <Shock> xnox: thanks


[08:58] <alkisg> highvoltage: can we also have an ldm-lubuntu-theme? Or is it too late for that?
[13:28] <highvoltage> alkisg: sounds possible
[13:29] <alkisg> highvoltage: installing ltsp-client over existing installations is now possible, so I believe more people will start using lubuntu chroots (they're lightweight)
[13:29] <alkisg> So since this is an lts release, it'd be nice for it to have its own theme
[13:34] <highvoltage> alkisg: ok. I can't make a promise but I'll try
[13:34] <alkisg> Nice, thank you


[17:29] <bkerensa> Good Morning Californians
[17:41] <nhaines> bkerensa: good morning!
[18:28] <jtatum> hello
[19:12] <nhaines> yay, someone at work noticed I was wearing my Ubuntu fleece jacket and asked where I got it.
[21:59] <BotenAnna> 19:12 < nhaines> yay, someone at work noticed I was wearing my Ubuntu fleece jacket and asked where I got it.
[21:59] <BotenAnna> major victory for one nathain hanes ;D
[22:00] <BotenAnna> "I've been training for this!!"
[22:03] <nhaines> BotenAnna: people from other departments can be successfully advocated to.  :P
[22:06] <MarkDude> Cake wrecks is huge time vacuum
[22:43] <jtatum> haha MarkDude
[22:46]  * MarkDude has to look at at least 5 pages


[10:41] <cmaloney> Good morning
[10:56] <rick_h_> morning
[11:34] <_stink_> yo
[12:45] <greg-g> afternoon
[12:45]  * greg-g is in barcelona
[12:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: oooh, nice place
[12:47] <greg-g> yeah, and this hotel is faaaaancy
[13:26] <waldo323_> good morning
[13:58] <widox> morning
[15:04] <cmaloney> greg-g: Niiice.
[16:55] <DrDaemonEye> hey, how is everyone doing?
[17:30] <waldo323_> pretty well, it is really nice out and I even got to take walk outside during lunch
[17:31] <DrDaemonEye> nice!
[17:36] <cmaloney> Awesome
[17:36] <DrDaemonEye> I plan on going to go have a cigar after work
[17:54] <jrwren> i plan to kayak and run. i'm not sure which order yet though.
[17:54] <DrDaemonEye> nice!
[17:54] <DrDaemonEye> I might go wander the arb here in Ann Arbor as well
[17:55] <jrwren> hrm... maybe i'll cycle instead. I just don't know.
[17:59] <waldo323_> ooo i should see if my bike needs work
[18:03] <cmaloney> I know my bike needs work
[18:04] <cmaloney> hasn't been ridden in quite a while. :(
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> I just fixed up mine... I actually need to get out for a ride soon
[19:21] <waldo323_> I'm not fond of fax lines

[19:40] <flipsidecreation> I keep thinking we are done with analog lines, then I get another client that needs analog lines fixed
[19:41] <flipsidecreation> perhaps 2019 will be the end of analog lines
[19:43]  * DrDaemonEye pretends to be a modem
[19:44] <DrDaemonEye> flipsidecreation: sadly, there is still a lot of the U.S. where analog lines and satilites are the only viable ways to go
[19:45] <flipsidecreation> true, but I am here in the city and many companies don't want to spend the money upgrading their old phone systems
[19:47] <DrDaemonEye> yep
[19:48] <jrwren> I haven't use a work phone line in over 10 yrs.


[04:31] <Scary_Guy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183927772700213299/1194661994985435147/98b2b8ae58dab970.jpg
[15:03] <wolfger> LOL
[15:04] <jrwren> LMAO


 @nggraham  Tat helped - thank you so much!
 that'
 You're welcome!
 It drove me crazy too
 a bit sad that the bug hasn't been fixed yet
 Since it helped you, please feel free to Click on the "this affects me too!" button on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-cyrillic/+bug/520546
 Done and done - made sure to also check the "also affect me" button. Thanks again for the quick help 👍☑
 Hi everyone
 I hope you are doing great
 I have an issue with my kubuntu distro, there is a shortcut that conflicts woth some other apps, it it ctrl+shift+e, how can I remove that shortcut. Thanks in advance, I hope you can help me.
[05:57] <lordievader> Good morning
 Morning
 Hi. I have a problem. After hibernation I need to restart network-manager because my internet has fall down. No ping, no ip, but plasma show me that connection on. This problem on two notebooks.
[08:55] <lordievader> What is the output of `ip addr show` when that happens?
 @Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1790613
[10:08] <acheronuk> hateball: ^^
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:40] <esperegu> how can I enable HDMI sound without enabling video?
[11:33] <chenrl> Hello
[11:36] <chenrl> After today upgrade of: Upgrade: libgpgmepp6:amd64 (1.10.0-1ubuntu1, 1.10.0-1ubuntu2), libpackagekit-glib2-18:amd64 (1.1.9-1ubuntu2, 1.1.9-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), libgpgme11:amd64 (1.10.0-1ubuntu1, 1.10.0-1ubuntu2), console-setup-linux:amd64 (1.178ubuntu2.6, 1.178ubuntu2.7), console-setup:amd64 (1.178ubuntu2.6, 1.178ubuntu2.7), packagekit-tools:amd64 (1.1.9-1ubuntu2, 1.1.9-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), packagekit:amd64 (1.1.9-1ubuntu2, 1.1.9-1ubuntu2.18.
[11:36] <chenrl> 04.1), keyboard-configuration:amd64 (1.178ubuntu2.6, 1.178ubuntu2.7), gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0:amd64 (1.1.9-1ubuntu2, 1.1.9-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), libqgpgme7:amd64 (1.10.0-1ubuntu1, 1.10.0-1ubuntu2) when I lcok my screen with Ctrl-Alt-L I get the lock form background image and nothing more.
[11:36] <chenrl> I am unable to unlock the host, and force to reboot.
[11:36] <chenrl> I have a dual monitor setup with one monitor rotated at 90 deg.
[11:37] <chenrl> When I disconnect the rotated screen, I do get the lock widgnets but I can't interact with it, and force to reboot anyway.
[12:35] <chenrl> reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/1790633
 darkgod: … Hi everyone … I have an issue with my kubuntu distro, there is a shortcut that conflicts with some other apps, it's ctrl+shift+e, how can I remove that shortcut. Thanks in advance, I hope you can help me.
 @darkgod, what is the shortcut for?
 @acheronuk, For example vscode uses it to open the editor panel but Kubuntu misunderstand it and it put the text editor in the mode of emoticon insertion, am I clear?
 Yes, but do you know what KDE action is it bound to?
 Oh. I see.
 Not exactly, I can't find it on the shortcuts settings
 But when I press that combination, my editors insert an e letter and if I write more than 10 characters all pf them got deleted
 @darkgod, Might be a vscode change at fault? https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/57648
 I can't find any binding on Crtl+Shift+E in KDE
 I have a short video that ilustrates the problem, can I share it?
 @darkgod, You can, but I can replicate the issue as stated in the github issue.
 (Video, 5s)https://irc-attachments.kde.org/DGuzBjiQ/file_9433.mp4
 Yeah, well you are in the ediotor pain there, which is what the github bug says. The shortcut does not work when you are in the editor pane. But does when your focus is not there.
 Which is precisely what I get here.
 So, I will be waiting for a correction, thank you very much
 I can also confim if I force downgrade code to 1.25.1, it works properly, even when focus is in editing
 I can try it but not a this moment
 I was just double checking to make sure it breaks with the 1.26 update
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !audio
[13:44] <BluesKaj> maybe you gave the volume turned up too high and it's overloading the circuit , aka clipping
[13:44] <BluesKaj> gave-have
[13:45] <BluesKaj> perhaps it's the aopp then
[13:45] <BluesKaj> app
[14:17] <BluesKaj> perhaps file a bug
[14:18] <BluesKaj> !bug
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Velizar Peshev, also check your volume ctrls in alsamixer, I should have mentioned this earlier
 Hey kubuntu 18.04 isnt using my swap space for no reason … I have give 5gigs for it
 Is it a bug
[15:35] <BluesKaj> you can open alsamixer in the terminal, easier to read
 @Phil Linux, Ohh
 But in performance monitor swap is showing 0
 @Phil Linux, They y it's showing 0 in monitor
 @Phil Linux, Some time 95 %
 Always@ 60-70%
[18:11] <TBotNik> All: Anyone know a good git based restore program that will take existing .tar.gz backup files and  do a sync based file restore, by date?
[18:13] <madLyfe> do we get our updates to applications via ubuntu?
[18:13] <madLyfe> like VLC or FF that were installed today?
[19:38] <madLyfe> k3b on kubuntu wont let me burn an iso to a usb drive that already has an iso on there. any other recommendations?
[22:49] <Dragnslcr> madLyfe- what kind of .iso is it?
[22:58] <madLyfe> dban
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> If it's a hybrid .iso, you can just use dd to copy it
[22:59] <madLyfe> I had to go into windows to put it on the USB properly. got slightly there with unetboot or whatever it's called.
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> Otherwise, you could delete the partition table on the drive so that k3b sees a blank medium
[23:00] <madLyfe> I feel like it should be able to write over whatever.
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> It depends on if k3b sees a USB drive as a rewriteable medium
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> I don't think I've ever used k3b to copy a .iso to a USB drive


 2 systems upgraded 20.04 with no issues today. Well almost no issues.. no my desktop autoremove removed k3b and obs-build and associated deps, but  they were easy to re-install....
 on my desktop^
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:46] <mparillo> Just installed today's ISO to a VM. Got a failed unmounting CDROM message after clicking the done button, but eventually clicking in the VM, it did reboot and all seems OK
 I think people are doing some work on that reboot sequence
[16:30] <mparillo> And to be fair, the reboot sequence seems to always work on real hardware, it is just hit-and-miss on VMs. But never a stop-ship, because worst-case, I just hard-power-off the VM, and it has never failed to come back up.
 OEM install lacks mouse pointer on UEFI BIOS systems.  Anyone else see this issue?
 Another Kubuntu 20.04 issue: shortcuts created via kde menu editor show up in the Global Application Launcher shortcuts, but they do now work.  If the shortcut is created under Custom Shortcuts in the KMenutEdit section, they work as expected.
 I could not find a bug report for the OEM mouse bug, but I am verifying bug in ubuntu prior to creating the bug report.
 I have not created a bug report for the kmenuedit shortcut issue yet....
 Hmmm, the Ubunut OEM installer is way different than the Kubuntu OEM installer and the mouse works fine.  So looks like we have an issue to resolve.
 I verified the missing mouse on 2 different UEFI systems here...
[21:45] <valorie> thank you for your attention to detail there, @DarinMiller!
[21:45] <valorie> how are you out there in Ideeeho?
 We are quite well. I have been working from home for the last 2 weeks and looks like that will continue for 2 more.
 btw, kmenuedit shortcut bug in known: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417495
 Since Ubuntu uses a new installer way different that Kubuntu's, how should I file the OEM install bug?  BTW, the Ubuntu OEM installer also has bugs and does not allow installation of the OS to a USB mounted SSD.
 @DarinMiller, Just against ubiquity I guess, referencing it is Kubuntu


[01:21] <RustyJ2> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[02:24] <mww113> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[02:53] <Guest4397> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[02:56] <Death91620> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:50] <l4z4i> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[05:13] <RyZum> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:07] <bairdmich> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[07:23] <}ls{> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:30] <ascheel11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:30] <ascheel11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[10:46] <mozzarella16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:49] <Nightmare11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:20] <Soni19> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:20] <Captain_Beezay> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:20] <Captain_Beezay> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:39] <tharkun10> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:39] <tharkun10> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:44] <ChasedSpade> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:15] <sekizo15> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:35] <grossing5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[14:09] <biberao23> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[15:37] <obserd> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:49] <VM_> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:49] <VM_> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[08:06] <M4dH4TT3r> well i speak the truth its not allways pretty but it still holds true
[08:55] <M4dH4TT3r> what now?
[08:56] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: I asked you to obey the rules of the channel after you broke them "again" and you tell me to knock it off
[08:56] <ikonia> it's clear you can't follow the rules
[08:56] <ikonia> you are banned
[08:56] <ikonia> discussion is over
[08:56] <ikonia> leave the channel now please.
[08:56] <M4dH4TT3r> how did i break them this time
[08:56] <M4dH4TT3r> ???
[08:56] <ikonia> I have told you many times that saying "sht" instead of "shit" or "fck" instead of "fuck" is unacceptable
[08:56] <ikonia> you did it again - I asked you to stop
[08:57] <ikonia> you have a smart response for this - you are banned.
[08:58] <M4dH4TT3r> ohh my god did i forget to blow you today or hang on your every word when im not talking to you? you do need to be gang raped and its coming soon...
[08:58] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: please leave the channel now
[08:58] <M4dH4TT3r> please eat a dick facist
[08:59] <M4dH4TT3r> why do you always have to be a petty bitch?
[09:07] <elky> That can come off tomorrow
[09:13] <elky> aww, even amazon is giving apple free advertising^W^W^W steve jobs an obit.
[09:17] <knome> i wonder if he's REALLY dead, or will just make a comeback from dead?
[10:45] <ikonia> gord: I didn't get that ctcp
[10:48] <elky> nor i
[14:24] <mneptok> knome: i expect that at Steve Jobs' wake, right at the end, he'll sit up in the casket and say, "Oh! And one more thing ..."
[14:24] <mneptok> (too soon?)
[14:25] <pangolin> yeah really to soon
[14:25] <pangolin> heya mneptok :)
[14:25] <mneptok> pangolin: 'lu!
[14:27] <knome> he
[14:28] <Tm_T> kotpenm
[14:28]  * h00k facepalms
[14:34] <h00k> Oh, spam in #ubuntu
[14:34] <pangolin> huh what?
[14:34] <h00k> "punga group is back" or something
[14:34] <LjL> pugnaa
[14:34] <h00k> Floodbot won that battle.
[14:35] <pangolin> pu?
[14:35] <LjL> yeah it did say punga group is back
 Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others' Unity is an ancient African word for 'a dung, you can't even build house of'
[15:23] <knome> kind of funny though...
[15:52] <bazhang> any idea on sevith's link there?
[15:53] <Myrtti> google search for filetype:cfg inurl:pwd
[15:55] <bazhang> not going to watch -ot any longer. night.
[15:55] <knome> heh, night bazhang
[15:55] <Myrtti> hold on
[15:55] <Myrtti> KittyGirl AND GirlyGirl
[15:55] <Myrtti> what the
[16:00] <genii-around> At least there's no GirlyKitty. That's we'd need is some furpile of all of them.
[16:16] <Tm_T> /nick GirlyKittyGirl
[16:16] <Tm_T> whops
[16:20] <genii-around> Heh.
[16:30] <h00k> I banned sevith.
[16:30] <h00k> He was talking about hacking people's passwords, which funkyHat removed him. Then he actually posted one.
[16:31] <funkyHat> I removed him because of the flood, actually
[16:31] <bazhang> he posted loads before that
[16:31] <funkyHat> Didn't even notice the flood was loads of passwords
[16:31] <h00k> apparently.
[16:31] <h00k> anyway.
[16:32] <h00k> Not happening anymore.
[16:34] <bazhang> enjoycrf well known troll.
[16:34] <h00k> !nickspam > Mkaysi
 j'aimerais savoir certaine chose sur l'ataque man in the middle
[16:39] <bazhang> what the hell
[16:39] <h00k> wat
[16:39] <h00k> WHat does it translate to
[16:40] <h00k> I want to know something about the man in the middle attack
[17:01] <GirlyGirl> Hi, I was helping someone called KittyGirl and then someone pops up called GirlyKity ...so far no abuse but you might want to keep an eye
[17:02] <oCean> GirlyGirl: we noticed too, thanks
[17:03] <GirlyGirl> Ok leaving now
[17:04] <bazhang> all the ##linux trolls are here now, airdem parsind enjoycrf etc
[17:04] <oCean> where's the banhammer?
[17:05] <genii-around> Is allowoverride one of them?
[17:05] <bazhang> got parsind in PM
[17:05] <bazhang> I'd say the kitties are first and foremost
[17:08] <genii-around> Parsind is also in +1 but not causing a problem (yet)
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> [20:58] == Shatters has changed nick to GirlyKitty
[17:10] <oCean> So?
[17:12] <Tm_T> oCean: ?
[17:12] <oCean> Tm_T: ?
[17:13] <Tm_T> oCean: (:)
[17:13] <Parsind> can i have OP please?
[17:14] <Parsind>  i used to be an OP back in the day
[17:14] <bazhang> Parsind, I PM'd you
[17:14] <bazhang> getting a +q is not the right way to start that process
[17:14] <Parsind> #psytrance channel
[17:17] <oCean> Parsind: if there is nothing you need of us, please /part the channel
[17:18] <Parsind> i was hopping to get some insight
[17:18] <bazhang> on?
[17:18] <Parsind> irc administration
[17:18] <bazhang> try #freenode
[17:19] <Parsind> people keeps redirecting me to other channels
[17:19] <bazhang> Parsind, you know why you were muted?
[17:20] <Parsind> because i feeded a troll
[17:20] <bazhang> you were asked to stop the nonsense
 i dont intend to change any policies, just create new rooms where there is freespeech
[17:22] <bazhang> ^^ his rationale for advertising his channel repeatedly
[17:25] <bazhang> emorris, hi
[17:26] <emorris> sorry, just read the topic. Will come back in a bit if I decide to report
[17:26] <bazhang> and shatters was one of the girlies
[17:27] <oCean> allowoverride is really pushing it
[17:28] <bazhang> beyond
[17:33] <bazhang> LindaLoveLace> hey room   <--- -ot
[17:33] <bazhang> nickname of a very old adult movie star
[17:33] <bazhang> err that came out wrong
[17:36] <knome> GMILF?
[17:36]  * knome hides
[17:37] <bazhang> thats not appropriate...
[17:37] <knome> i know. i'm very sorry :(
 your all british
 and you dont like americans
[17:39] <bazhang> from lengthy rant of a PM
[17:39] <popey> lindalovelace == bungholio
[17:39] <bazhang> when asked to join here
[17:40] <bazhang> lovely
 anyfoo, i have things to do, enjoy your sad life there redcoat
[17:41] <bazhang> presumably a reference to the war of 1776
[17:41] <genii-around> War of 1812 more likley
[17:41] <genii-around> But yeah same idea
 oh, just so you know, you and your kind will never stop me from entering a room ;)
[17:42] <bazhang> threatening ban evasion with a cloak
[17:43] <bazhang> and now the threats of bodily harm
[17:51] <h00k> wooo
[17:51] <h00k> irc tough guy
[17:52] <bazhang> so do we tell rww ? or just say "staff"
[17:52] <bazhang> ie the ban evasion stuff
 hapl pls   <-- this is like the "best of" trolls day
[17:58] <h00k> what does it even mean
[17:59] <bazhang> he's here to eat brains
[17:59] <bazhang> and yes, he actually said that
[18:11] <oCean> Calinou: how can we help?
[18:11] <Calinou> I got banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for spam
[18:11] <oCean> Calinou: yes you were
[18:11] <oCean> Calinou: very explicit posts, you could say
[18:12] <Calinou> yes sorry
[18:13] <Calinou> bye
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:28:44 AM) allowoverride: i would never suggest that to anyone unless they were on windows
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:28:58 AM) Monsterwizard: ohboy, I'm in ubuntu now
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:29:07 AM) allowoverride: live cd's are for noobs to linux period, any linux
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:29:10 AM) allowoverride: sheshh
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:29:17 AM) mode (+o oCean) by ChanServ
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:29:17 AM) mode (+b *!*@unaffiliated/allowoverride) by oCean
[18:14] <allowoverride> (10:29:17 AM) You have been kicked by oCean: (enough)
[18:14] <bazhang> allowoverride, hi, how can we help you
[18:14] <allowoverride> thats how
[18:14] <bazhang> ok then
[18:14] <allowoverride> dont pretend dude
[18:14] <allowoverride> you started it all
[18:14] <oCean> ?
[18:14] <allowoverride> like most ops do
[18:14] <allowoverride> yep you too ocean
[18:14] <allowoverride> you guys need some serious tunning up
[18:15] <allowoverride> motivational linux seminars
[18:15] <bazhang> channel has moderation
[18:15] <allowoverride> technical seminar
[18:15] <allowoverride> bah
[18:15] <allowoverride> your moderation is ridicilious
[18:15] <bazhang> then dont join
[18:15] <oCean> I opt for the technical seminar - Is it about ipv6?
[18:16] <bazhang> !guidelines | allowoverride please have a read
[18:16] <bazhang> !codeofconduct | allowoverride and this too please
[18:16] <allowoverride> i have those tattoed on my dogs ass
[18:16] <allowoverride> your not serious right
[18:17] <oCean> are you?
[18:17] <bazhang> those are the channel guidelines, sure we are serious
[18:17] <allowoverride> oCean: i dont like you
[18:17] <Tm_T> allowoverride: please behave, or leave
[18:18] <allowoverride> and go where? back to #ubuntu? i cant
[18:18] <oCean> allowoverride: the suggestion to try livecd because of this question of yours: "is there really a big diff between them? in functionality ? hard to describe" is a very valid suggestion
[18:19] <allowoverride> id like to help people, but im not allowed too
[18:19] <allowoverride> i have the whole convo logged oCean
[18:19] <allowoverride> and it will be posted tomorrow on your logs so... dont get picky with me
[18:19] <allowoverride> ill pick as well
[18:19] <allowoverride> your ban statement says it all
[18:19] <bazhang> !1984
[18:19] <oCean> allowoverride: yep, we do too: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/06/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[18:19] <bazhang> the logs ^
[18:19] <allowoverride> of course dork
[18:20] <allowoverride> duh
[18:20] <oCean> er that one too
[18:20] <allowoverride> just a bunch of redcoats
[18:20] <allowoverride> thats all
[18:20] <allowoverride> its obvious
[18:20] <oCean> oh, ok
[18:20] <bazhang> ?
[18:20] <allowoverride> your skills do not match mine
[18:20] <allowoverride> ill be round
[18:20] <oCean> correct there
[18:20] <bazhang> redcoats?
[18:20] <Pici> What does that mean?
[18:20] <bazhang> we are all British
[18:21] <Pici> Well, NJ used to be a colony...
 and go where? back to #ubuntu? i cant  <-- you could go back to /b/ i suppose
[18:32] <Tm_T> maco: what amazes me most, is that being a response to my request, behaving isn't an option?
[18:33] <maco> im cool with that sort just going back to where they came from: 4chan
[18:45] <sevith> Wtf
[18:46] <bazhang> you're banned in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:46] <sevith> eh..To an extent :P
[18:47] <sevith> :(
[18:47] <bazhang> yep the 100% type of extent
[18:47] <sevith> Well I'm still here, and there...So not really?  My granda could have done that. And she can barely turn a pc on. But i know. If i stop posting credentials can you unban me....
[18:51] <bazhang> please have a read of the guidelines, if you would
[18:51] <bazhang> !guidelines
[18:51] <sevith> Then will I be unbanned?
[18:52] <bazhang> are you in a hurry?
[18:52] <sevith> Hrm. Im always in a hurry. Life is too short to wait around...
[18:52] <sevith> :)
[18:52] <bazhang> well come back when you have time, I suppose
[18:53] <sevith> I have...an estimated 2 hours right now. -.-
[18:54] <bazhang> surely reading the guidelines won't take *that* long
[18:55] <sevith> Hrm. Ok. but they dont say anything about posting user passwords :P JK.  I read the guidelines. I said I would stop. You dont have to take my word. You can ban me. Im at least being nice and using the same nick, else youd never know? I said I'd stop If i rejoin again you wont even know its me. Im asking pretty nice.
[19:07] <sevith> ill take the vhost off then. idc.
[19:07] <sevith> the cloak is auto when i identify.
[19:07] <rww> sevith: I'm aware of how cloaks work, I'm one of the network staff that sets them on a regular basis.
[19:07] <LjL> sevith: threatening to rejoin with a different nickname is not the way to get this resolved
[19:08] <LjL> sevith: i suggest you come back here in 24 hours
[19:08] <sevith> *Sighs...*
[19:08] <bazhang> ?
[19:08] <LjL> sevith: sigh at yourself. had you not ban evaded, the ban would have been removed in a bunch of minutes with great likelihood
[19:09] <sevith> a bunch of minute which is some 1440 minutes..?
[19:09] <sevith> Its cool. Ill stay out of the chan.
[19:10] <sevith> :)
[19:10] <LjL> as you prefer
[19:11] <sevith> :(
[19:13] <LjL> sevith: if you have no further questions, please leave and come back in a day (if you want)
[19:14] <sevith> Will I be unbanned in a day?
[19:14] <sevith> And Ill stop idling.
[19:14] <LjL> sevith: we'll discuss it again in a day. i can make no promise of unbanning as of right now.
[19:18] <Sevith> Dont reban me That was accident i just reconnected and it threw me in there cuz thats what happens when I connect to irc. But im out. dont get mad
[19:18] <bazhang> hi
[19:23] <LjL> i don't see why not
[19:24] <LjL> !zsync is <reply> Use zsync to update your Ubuntu CD image without needing to download the parts that didn't change. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[19:36] <bazhang> well nice PM from sevith at least
[20:53] <rww> jussi: you have a Guest79607 clone sitting in #ubuntu-ops, please identify to it or kill it or something :P
[20:54] <rww> jbicha: something we can help you with?
[20:57] <rww> s/to it/with it/
[20:57] <jbicha> nope, bye! :)
[20:58] <rww> alrighty then.
[22:23] <GTRsdk> can someone please uban me?
[22:26] <pangolin> GTRsdk: How are you? ready to rejoin offtopic?
[22:26] <GTRsdk> pangolin, awesome. Yeah. Hey, you are part of 12.04!
[22:27] <pangolin> heh, just a nick.
[22:27] <elky> he does this every announcement.
[22:27] <pangolin> I do :)
[22:27] <pangolin> glad someone noticed
[22:30] <GTRsdk> pangolin, Can you find some Ubuntu 11.*/10.* user to unban me?
[22:30] <elky> GTRsdk, if I unban you, you need to realise that the next time you request a ban, it will be for a *minimum* of one month. If you want to not be in a channel, you need to either close the channel window or pull your internet cable out.
[22:30] <elky> whaaa?
[22:30] <GTRsdk> elky, wow. so rww was bein nice by banning for one week?
[22:31] <pangolin> GTRsdk: We do not normally set bans on request
[22:31] <rww> see, i'm not evil
[22:31] <elky> GTRsdk, yes. We're not a free service to replace your lack of self control.
[22:31] <rww> GTRsdk: I already told you that you're not being unbanned until a week has passed. Please don't op shop.
[22:32] <elky> rww, oh. how long has this been on for?
[22:33] <rww> they were banned however long ago 248581 seconds is for one week
[22:33] <elky> .4 of a week.
[22:33] <rww> 2.8 days, according to Google.
[22:33] <elky> mhm
[22:34] <rww> But yes, I went over this in PM with GTRsdk.
[22:34] <rww> (2.8 days has past, not is left, to be specific)
[22:34] <rww> passed **
[22:34] <Jordan_U> rww: 2.9. You need to brush up on your rounding.
[22:34] <rww> Jordan_U: I didn't round, I truncated.
[22:34] <GTRsdk> 2.8, means 3.2 days left?
[22:35] <elky> rww, so he agreed to a week?
[22:35]  * GTRsdk did :(
[22:35] <elky> GTRsdk, only if your weeks are 6 days long
[22:35] <ldunn> GTRsdk: there are 7 days in a week
[22:35] <GTRsdk> actually
[22:35] <elky> Ours are 7 days.
[22:35] <GTRsdk> 3 days
[22:35] <rww> GTRsdk: come back when a week's gone by.
[22:36] <GTRsdk> okay
[22:36] <GTRsdk> 4.2 days then?
[22:37] <elky> yes.
[22:37] <GTRsdk> would it be okay if there was <1 day left when I came back?
[22:37] <elky> <6hrs I'd accept.
[22:37] <GTRsdk> okay


[02:51] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:33] <openyost> What type of testing needs to be done in the next week?
[04:43] <sbalneav> openyost: Lots :)
[04:44] <sbalneav> Dowload images, burn them
[04:44] <sbalneav> Test installation, how the system works once installed, etc.
[04:55] <openyost> Ok.  Any specific things to check for?
[15:38] <LaserJock> jbicha: ok, so I just uploaded your moodle patch (I tweaked the changelog a little bit)
[15:38] <LaserJock> jbicha: we'll see if slangasek takes it
[15:48] <jbicha> LaserJock: thank you, it also sounds like you figured out the language pack issue
[15:48] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:49] <LaserJock> jbicha: well
[15:49] <LaserJock> jbicha: I wouldn't call it a real fix
[15:49] <LaserJock> jbicha: I just made it so that people who want something other than English are going to have to install it themselves
[15:50] <LaserJock> although I do provide the .deb files and have them installed in the live session
[15:53] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey, you heading out today?
[15:54] <LaserJock> maybe
[17:00] <LaserJock> jbicha: it made it \o/
[17:03] <jbicha> LaserJock: I should get it backported to Jaunty also, right?
[17:03] <LaserJock> I don't know, you could try
[17:05] <jbicha> LaserJock: I don't think the localhost issue was a problem w/ Jaunty so we shouldn't backport that since it's not a bug there?
[17:05] <LaserJock> right
[17:08] <jbicha> LaserJock: where should I find a sponsor for main packages once you move on, do I just ask in #ubuntu-devel ?
[17:09] <LaserJock> stgraber is also a Core Developer
[17:09] <LaserJock> and there is the ubuntu-main-sponsors Launchpad team
[17:11] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[17:11] <jbicha> LaserJock: thanks
[18:27] <LaserJock> and my edubuntu-meta upload got accepted
[18:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: around?
[19:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, slightly
[19:12] <LaserJock> highvoltage: are you going to have any time this weekend to work on release notes and announcement?
[19:12] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep, I'll give it a bash tomorrow (have people over currently)
[19:14] <LaserJock> highvoltage: if I'm around let me know, we can gobby or something
[19:15] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok great, I'll give you a ping on IRC and jabber
[19:15] <LaserJock> k, awesome
[19:16] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I *think* i've done all the fixing we need done on the DVD
[19:16] <LaserJock> and jbicha got moodle fixed
[19:16] <highvoltage> moodle was broken for jaunty right?
[19:17] <LaserJock> even though we're not shipping it, it's good to not have it be broken
[19:17] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:17] <ogra> i think for hardy too
[19:17] <LaserJock> jbicha was talking about maybe doing an SRU earlier
[19:17] <LaserJock> hardy's got big issues
[19:17] <ogra> right
[19:17] <LaserJock> I don't know if we can do the same treatment or not
[19:18] <LaserJock> but hardy is an LTS so it's worth looking into
[19:18] <ogra> yep
[19:18] <ogra> well, if the current karmic package works but an SRU is to much, at least a backport request would be nice
[19:18] <LaserJock> I don't know that there are enough resources to handle much for non-LTS SRUs
[19:19] <LaserJock> in general
[19:20] <LaserJock> I also had to drop the gcompris sound packages from Recommends on the ubuntu-edu-*
[19:20] <LaserJock> which kinda stinks
[19:20] <ogra> well, it will surely be handled with lower prio
[19:21] <LaserJock> if I did the seed work correctly they'll all be installed in the Live session
[19:21] <LaserJock> and the .debs will be in the pool
[19:22] <LaserJock> but having to install language support for 16 other languages is a bit much, IMO
[19:22] <LaserJock> we should really hook that up to the language selector
[19:23] <LaserJock> gah
[19:23] <ogra> yeah
[19:23] <LaserJock> s/we/somebody/
[19:23] <ogra> or even make it a dep of language-pack-blah
[19:23] <ogra> but its a bit hard to make that a conditional
[19:25] <LaserJock> I think you can do "if gcompris is going to be installed and language X is used, install gcompris-sound-X" in Ubiquity at least
[19:25] <LaserJock> I'm not sure about d-i
[20:22] <LaserJock> sbalneav: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-October/009729.html
[20:23] <LaserJock> sbalneav: which points to http://freshmeat.net/projects/gosa/
[22:54] <Black_Mage> is there a software for training relative pitch in edubuntu, or in general is ther a free software app for taht?
[22:55] <sbalneav> Black_Mage: Music training, you means?
[22:55] <Black_Mage> yes i guess
[22:56] <sbalneav> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7606
[22:57] <sbalneav> That might be a good starting point
[22:57] <Black_Mage> thanks :)
[22:58] <sbalneav> http://www.solfege.org/
[22:59] <sbalneav> solfege is an installable package.  It might do what you want
[22:59] <sbalneav> You can find it in synaptic
[23:01] <Black_Mage> i actually use arch linux, entered here cos i figured that people who understand in educational software will sit here :P
[23:02] <Black_Mage> hey cool this app is exacly what i need
[23:02] <Black_Mage> thanks
[23:04] <sbalneav> No Problem


[08:21]  * apw struggles into the land of the living
[08:39] <infinity> apw: It's an overrated land.
[08:39] <apw> infinity, seemingly so indeed
[08:39]  * ppisati -> reboot
[08:46] <rbasak> Have you guys seen: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/037134.html ?
[08:46] <rbasak> Seems like a reasonable question - should he be directed to the kernel-team list?
[09:07] <infinity> rbasak: Mainline kernel builds aren't (quite) the same as Ubuntu configs.  I assume the bump to 3.10 will also involve a config review and turning on all the new shiny.
[09:07] <infinity> rbasak: But I don't speak for apw/rtg on this one, so perhaps bouncing it to the kernel list would be helpful.  *shrug*
[09:19] <apw> rbasak, yep bounce that to the kernel-team and we can answer it, i would likely find it on u-d eventually
[09:20] <apw> for clarity the reason it is off is that our saucy hasn't got the functionality turned on, so the config which carries over won't have it.  when we move saucy to 3.10-rcN then we'll turn it on no doubt there and the mainline kernels will get it
[09:20] <apw> basically it is hard to enable everything
[09:20] <apw> we ask the build system to take the defaults for everything new, and the default for that must be N
[09:20] <apw> so it it probabally untested crap :)
[09:25] <apw> it appears to not indicate a default so i would expect that to default off
[09:25] <apw>   Block device as cache (BCACHE) [N/m/y/?] (NEW)
[09:25] <apw> yeah, it defaults off so we default it off
[09:44] <rbasak> apw: I'm going to need moderation on both lists so will cause other people effort if I try to stick my nose in. Would you mind replying to him as appropriate, please?
[09:44] <rbasak> apw: or just C&P this channel if you're feeling nosy :)
[09:44] <rbasak> nosy?
[09:44] <rbasak> lazy.
[12:13] <davmor2> Morning all.  I upgraded from Raring to Saucy last week and it broke secure boot. I'm running a couple of things that cjwatson suggested but feel free to fire off suggestions here too :)
[12:16] <rtg_> henrix, how about a pull request for your CVE patches ?
[12:16] <rtg_> I assume you have them all in one place.
[12:16] <henrix> rtg_: yep, i have. i'll send the request
[12:17] <rtg_> henrix, thanks, saves me some typing, something I'm wretchedly bad at.
[12:17] <henrix> rtg_: heh, sure no prob
[12:39] <henrix> is anyone else receiving an annoying email from naver.com after sending an email the the kt mailing list?
[12:39] <henrix> looks like someone from that domain subscribed the ML and that email was deleted from the domain
[12:39] <henrix> *really* annoying
[12:39] <rtg_> henrix, why are you getting it ?
[12:40] <henrix> rtg_: i believe its because my 'Reply-To:'
[12:40] <henrix> rtg_: in the email header
[12:40] <henrix> it started last week
[12:41] <rtg_> I'm the admin, lemme check.
[12:41] <henrix> here's a sample: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5683555/
[12:42] <henrix> it contains the email address, so maybe you can just unsubscribe it...?
[12:42] <rtg_> henrix, thats what I'm gonna do
[12:42] <henrix> rtg_: cool. thanks. but am i the only one seeing this?
[12:43] <rtg_> henrix, I haven't seen it, but then I have not sent anything since about thurs
[12:43] <rtg_> henrix, that email address is now unsub'd
[12:44] <henrix> rtg_: thanks
[12:44] <diwic> I haven't seen it either
[12:44] <henrix> yeah, it started late last week. let me check...
[12:45] <henrix> ok, first time i saw that was last friday, when i spammed the ML with the 3.5.y emails
[12:45] <diwic> henrix, maybe that overflowed the relevant email inbox or something, causing the error
[12:46] <henrix> diwic: yep, its possible :)
[13:05] <rtg_> apw, thought I'd start on maguro today. seems like grouper/manta/mako have all settled a bit.
[13:05] <apw> rtg_, great
[13:07] <ogra_> yay
[13:33]  * rtg_ bounces tangerine for kernel update
[13:51] <rtg_> cking, 'wipe' is estimating 5 years to clean this USB 2.0 disk. is there something else I can use to test this disk ? I was getting some random failures and haven't been able to pin down where.
[13:52] <cking> rtg_, no immediate idea for fast exhaustive exercising such devices
[13:53] <cking> how about plain old dd'ing to it to see if that easily trips the issue?
[13:53] <rtg_> cking, maybe just writing withh dd will trigger it
[13:53] <rtg_> :)
[13:53] <cking> indeed
[13:53] <cking> just make sure bs = something large :-)
[14:00] <rtg_> cking, yeah, block size makes a giant difference
[14:09] <infinity> rtg_: What sort of failures were you seeing?
[14:10] <infinity> rtg_: Be warned that if you were seeing random *read* failures, dding over the disk will magically paper over that, as attempts to *write* those sectors will trigger auto-remapping magic.
[14:12] <infinity> rtg_: Though, that's still an interesting datapoint.  If you can convince something like smartmontools to spew out disk info before and after a full dd, if your remap count goes up, your disk is dying.
[14:13] <rtg_> infinity, random failures to read from the file system resulting in hung threads.
[14:57] <rtg_> apw, the linux 3.9.0-2.7 build for i386 is busted whilst some doc-utils carnage is being fixed.
[14:58] <apw> rtg_, ook, ok
[14:58] <rtg_> apw, I think the release team will just restart the build once that is fixed
[14:59] <apw> rtg_, ahh that kind of carnage, ok
[15:00] <rtg_> apw, they ointed out that our build chroots should have -proposed enabled, but I'm kind of unwilling to do that on tangerine/gomeisa lest it impede everyone because of some silly archive inconsistency.
[15:00] <rtg_> point*
[15:01] <apw> rtg_, indeed, i have two chroots for sbuild, well a special frig that allows one to ask for -proposed to be enabled when sbuilding things
[15:01] <apw> which i use for this very reason.  if we have those kind of chroots too, you could at least confirm finally with an sbuild that it was a chroot issue
[15:01] <rtg_> hmm
[15:01] <apw> but for the statuc c
[15:02] <apw> static chroots we have, not so easy
[15:02] <rtg_> it happens so seldom that i wonder if its worth it.
[15:02] <apw> probabally not in my opinion, i should publicise the other ones, and make them consistently across the buildders
[15:02] <apw> so people can at least go 'ummm, i wonder, -proposed, lets see'
[15:03] <rtg_> apw, _we're _ the only people interested in -proposed I think.
[15:03] <apw> yeah prolly, then i'll tell you :)
[15:04] <apw> rtg_, ahh crap you applied luis' pull request; but didn't mention it on the patches, so i have reviewed them needlessly
[15:05] <rtg_> apw, yeah, I just used his pull request and ACK'd that
[15:05] <rtg_> I guess I just assumed ...
[15:05] <apw> ahh well, you have a second ack, even if it is not in the applied commits
[15:06] <henrix> apw: sorry, i guess i should have sent the pull request as a reply to the patches...
[15:06] <rtg_> they all looked pretty straightforward
[15:06] <apw> yep tey all are indeed
[15:06] <apw> henrix, rtg_, *shrug* noones fault
[15:10] <rtg_> cking, the Q/A folks were talking about using lttng as a general mechanism for tracking some stuff. do you know of they received your results about lttng overhead ?
[15:10] <cking> rtg_, I did send a copy to gema
[15:10] <rtg_> cking, cool
[15:10] <cking> not heard any reponse yet
[15:10] <cking> *response even
[15:21] <apw> jsalisbury, yo ... you were working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1112652, did you confirm that those two patches in stable were the fix ?
[15:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1112652 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "[raring] no ethernet with "auto" default power option with 82579LM" [High,In progress]
[15:24] <infinity> E: linux source: build-depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version build-depends: util-linux
[15:24] <infinity> rtg_, apw: ^--- Really?
[15:25] <infinity> Evidently, no one ever runs lintian on the kernel.
[15:25] <cking> or nobody ever looks at the lintian errors
[15:25] <infinity> Hey, I never lintian the kernel either. :P
[15:26] <infinity> Just saw that in passing while helping some poor sod who's trying to build a patched kernel.
[15:26] <apw> infinity, heh, you know us, cowboys the lot of us
[15:26] <apw> cowpersons
[15:26]  * rtg_ didn't know he was supposed to care
[15:28] <apw> i think that is somewhat his point :)
[15:28] <rtg_> apw, well, I _do_ know someone that would like to fix all the lintian warnings.
[15:28] <infinity> It's mostly harmless, but {Build-,}Depends on essential packages can cause some resolver oddities and other messes.
[15:29] <apw> infinity, has that changed to be essential, or have we always been bust
[15:29] <apw> rtg_, shhh he will hear
[15:29] <infinity> apw: It's always been essential.
[15:29] <apw> oops
[15:29] <apw> rtg_, i'll go zap it in saucy at least
[15:29] <rtg_> infinity, so you're saying it shouldn't be in build-depends list at all ?
[15:29] <infinity> rtg_: Right.
[15:30] <rtg_> well, tats an easy one
[15:30] <infinity> rtg_: Unless, of course, there was a reason to have a versioned build-dep, but you don't have such, so that seems unlikely. :P
[15:30] <apw> infinity, its not recent, so any version would be balls by now anyhow
[15:30] <rtg_> infinity, the last versioned build dep was for file-utils IIRC
[15:30] <rtg_> I'm sure we can drop that by now as well
[15:31] <rtg_> findutils
[15:31] <infinity> Oh, you mean that build-conflict?
[15:31] <rtg_> yeah, its a conflict, not a depends
[15:32] <rtg_> apw, fix the Vcs-Git whilst you're mucking about
[15:32] <apw> yep
[15:32] <infinity> rtg_: Given that that version predates lucid, you're probably safe dropping the build-conflict, yeah. :P
[15:33] <rtg_> apw, ^^
[15:33] <apw> ack ^2
[15:33] <infinity> It also never shipped in any release.
[15:33] <apw> nice
[15:33] <infinity> It was only in karmic for 3 days. :P
[15:34]  * apw bets it was infinity's fault ...
[15:34] <infinity> Don't look at me, I didn't work here during the karmic release.
[15:34] <infinity> I don't think.
[15:36] <rtg_> we'll blame it on Ben
[15:36] <infinity> He didn't work here either.
[15:36] <cking> he did
[15:36] <infinity> *cough*
[15:36] <cking> ah
[15:44]  * apw remembers why we don't run lintian very often on this package ... omg it takes a long time
[15:45]  * cking wonders if that's because it's gone off and committed suicide because of the quantity and type of errors it's found
[15:45] <apw> i think perhaps the machine i ran it on has ... sigh
[15:45] <apw> W: linux source: unknown-architecture armhf
[15:45] <apw> W: linux source: unknown-architecture arm64
[15:46] <apw> oh come on ... i hate lintian
[15:46] <infinity> That'd be an old lintian.
[15:46] <apw> yeah, and ... well just ... and ..
[15:49] <manjo> hey you guys seen this with 13.04 ?
[15:49] <manjo> [    5.710629] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffff8804075a3fe0
[15:49] <manjo> [    5.710659] IP: [<ffffffffa04ac820>] patch_generic_hdmi+0xe0/0x550 [snd_hda_codec_hdmi]
[15:49] <infinity> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684150/
[15:50] <apw> manjo, yep, that should have been diwic's fix i think
[15:50] <infinity> apw: The only one there (other than the one you fixed) that looks potentially scary is they unsafe symlink one.
[15:50] <rtg_> manjo, yes, the fix is in the pipeline
[15:50] <infinity> manjo: That should be fixed in the -proposed kernel.
[15:50] <manjo> apw, cool thanks ... I lost sound as well ...
[15:51] <apw> infinity, there is 2 or 3 there that diserve a wiggle, i'll get the sorted out
[15:52] <apw> infinity, these binary-control-... ones are they something we do wrong, or something ubuntu does diff to debian
[15:52] <infinity> apw: Note that P (pedantic) and I (informational) ones aren't really errors, per se.
[15:53] <infinity> apw: But it's hinting that binaries that don't declare section/priority inherit from the source stanza, so it's a waste of effort to declare it every time.
[15:53] <infinity> apw: Due to the way you build your control files, being overly declarative is likely not a bad thing, since the snippets live on their own and it's easier to keep track of them as self-contained units.  *shrug*
[15:54] <apw> infinity, i actually suspect it is kernel-wedge in that case
[15:54] <infinity> apw: Nah, it's all your kernel image packages from control.d
[15:55] <infinity> apw: (It does list the binary stanza at the end of each of those lines)
[15:56] <apw> infinity, so it does...
[15:57] <infinity> apw: Now, you can blame the pedantic spew on kernel-wedge.
[15:58] <infinity> apw: The xc-package-type-in-debian-control thing.
[16:00] <infinity> apw: Oh, the duplicate description thing is entirely valid too.  linux-image-extra really should mention that it's addon modules or something, not claim to be a kernel image.
[16:01] <apw> infinity, already fixed that last one
[16:01] <apw> infinity, as indeed it is just wrong
[16:01] <infinity> (And the gfdl test is a no-op for Ubuntu, we consider the GFDL "free enough", while Debian doesn't)
[16:02] <apw> ahh
[16:07] <apw> infinity, to be clear the lintian errors about the symlink would have to be talking about a specific file in the source package, rather than a binary package
[16:07] <apw> lrwxrwxrwx 1 apw warthogs    33 2013-05-20 16:05 ./arch/microblaze/boot/dts/system.dts -> ../../platform/generic/system.dts
[16:08] <apw> which as far as i can see is a false positive
[16:15] <infinity> apw: Yeah, that's supposed to warn on symlinks that escape the source tree, but that one doesn't seem to.  Weird.
[16:15] <infinity> apw: liintian bug, I guess.
[16:16] <apw> yep ... /me looks at standards version, we have ignored it too long
[16:32] <ppisati> brb
[16:42] <apw> infinity, you will be pleased to know we can move to the latest standards version.
[16:42] <apw> like it matters any
[16:46] <apw> infinity, ok i have pushed up some fixes, seems to cover the egregious ones, and leaves the ones you indicated were benign or debian eske
[17:23]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[17:35] <jsalisbury> apw, re: bug 1112652 I didn't identify the specific patch that fixed the bug.  Many people affected by the bug reported 3.8.13 fixed the bug, so I was going to ask for confirmation once Raring gets those updates
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1112652 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "[raring] no ethernet with "auto" default power option with 82579LM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1112652
[17:36] <apw> jsalisbury, there are two likely sounding patches to the e1000e driver in .13 (well at least one sounds believable as it talks about power management)
[17:36] <apw> jsalisbury, sounds good, thanks.  we nom'd it to raring and closed out saucy based on the testing done
[17:37] <jsalisbury> apw, cool, thanks
[17:42] <bjf> manjo, since you have -proposed enabled (you _do_ don't you?) you should have picked up the change for that issue
[17:43] <manjo> bjf, yes got it though proposed
[17:44] <bjf> manjo, so you are running the -proposed kernel *and* you saw the hdmi issue your reported above?
[17:46] <bjf> manjo, i'm trying to find out if the bug you saw is in the -proposed kernel
[17:51] <manjo> bjf, no proposed fixed it for me. I was not running proposed when I hit the bug
[17:51] <bjf> manjo, ok, good to hear, thanks
[17:51] <manjo> cool np
[20:18]  * rtg_ -> EOD


[00:50] <blahdeblah> amurray: Just wanted to say thanks again for the podcast.  I particularly enjoyed the discussion about samba backports in ep. 138.
[01:51] <amurray> blahdeblah: hey :) - you are more than welcome mate, glad you liked it
[03:46] <Hash> :)


[06:03] <i4ba1_> excuse me
[06:04] <maco> there's no class going on here right now
[06:04] <i4ba1_> i read on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy
[06:04] <i4ba1_> there is class c++
[06:04]  * maco clicks
[06:04] <i4ba1_> on 15:00
[06:05] <i4ba1_> but i think there is a differetn time
[06:05] <maco> 15:00 isn't for another 9 hours
[06:05] <maco> oh come on webpage, load fasterer
[06:06] <i4ba1_> time 15:00 for country what?
[06:06] <i4ba1_> because in my country
[06:06] <maco> it''s UTC
[06:06] <i4ba1_> oh
[06:07] <maco> like, my timezone is Eastern US which is -05:00 which means i take UTC and subtract 5 hours to get local time
[06:07] <ToyKeeper> That page says "hour / utc" in the time column...  UTC.
[06:07] <maco> if you're in india, im sorry about your half-hour wackitude
[06:07] <i4ba1_> i'm in indonesia
[06:07] <maco> (if you're not:  india is 5 and a half hours off of UTC)
[06:08] <ToyKeeper> If you have an ubuntu or debian system, the 'gworldclock' package is useful for tracking these things.
[06:08] <maco> (which is just WEIRD)
[06:09] <nigelb> maco: haha, you gotta pull us on the half hour wackitude don't ya? ;)
[06:09] <maco> nigelb: yes
[06:09] <maco> nigelb: though that one timezone that's got a :45? they win
[06:09] <nigelb> There is a timezone with :45?
[06:09] <nigelb> Ok, they win hands down
[06:10] <maco> yes
[06:10] <nigelb> there are other time zones with :30 too
[06:10] <maco> only winninger thing would be like... :37
[06:10] <maco> (which doesnt, afaik, exist)
[06:10] <nigelb> Divided state of maco.
[06:10] <maco> i4ba1__: how's that network doing?
[06:11] <i4ba1__> down again
[06:11] <nigelb> Anyway, jokes apart. Lets get off the classroom channel, its logged for classes.
[06:11] <maco> i4ba1__: you got all the important bits
[06:12] <i4ba1__> so i must wait 9 hour
[06:12] <maco> yes
[06:12] <i4ba1__> it mean 22:00 pm in mycountry
[06:12] <maco> if thats too late for you, it will be logged and posted on the wiki for you to read later
[08:03] <nmvictor> what are we being taught today?
[08:04] <maco> in 7 hours, C++
[08:05] <tsimpson> there's a link to the google calendar in the topic
[08:05] <nmvictor> tsimpson, thanks
[15:08] <platina> hy
[16:20] <niRin> hiho
[16:21] <niRin> #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[16:21] <niRin> humm


[06:19] <Kilos> morning all
[09:20] <pavlushka> Hi everyone!!!!
[09:20] <pavlushka> Ekushey, o/
[09:20] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[09:21] <pavlushka> Heya, Kilos
[15:14] <pavlushka> o/
[15:14] <Kilos> o/
[15:17] <pavlushka> So? how was the day?
[15:18] <Kilos> slow
[15:18] <Kilos> and raining now and expecting big storms
[15:18] <Kilos> how was your day
[15:22] <pavlushka> normal
[15:23] <pavlushka> doing this and that. was not very busy.
[17:16] <pavlushka> o/
[17:16] <pavlushka> victim of power cuts.


[06:51] <flocculant> should see beta freeze today - image looks ok
[06:52] <flocculant> if we want to use release note from x.org instead of u.wiki then someone should get that sorted out
[07:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: if we've still got bug 1622303 (and I really suspect we will) I'm not going to mark image ready - and I'm of the opinion that we don't release on Thursday
[07:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: followed up here a bit - purge lightlocker, install xscreensaver - works perfectly
[08:46] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [yakkety] r620 Launchpad automatic translations update. (by Launchpad Translations on behalf of ubuntu-core-doc)
[09:16] <bluesabre> flocculant, can you check something else along with that?
[09:16] <bluesabre> With xscreensaver, click "Swith User" (or equivalent) which will return you to the login screen, and then login/unlock
[11:42] <flocculant> bluesabre: that didn't seem to work - got something about gdmflexiserver and a list of my path
[16:38] <flocculant> appears we might get a day and a bit to test this beta
[17:08] <Unit193> Soon I should be able to test UEFI/secure boot in qemu again too.
[17:08] <flocculant> :)
[17:11] <flocculant> not worrying about this beta too much tbh -  chances of getting lock working by Thursday morning are slim at best I'd guess
[17:12] <flocculant> and I'm not ok'ing an install which fails to come back after suspend without losing anything someone might have not saved when suspending
[17:53] <knome> pleia2, flocculant, bluesabre, ochosi (know you're away, but for information): http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-council-article
[18:16] <flocculant> knome: looked, hit the strikethrough button a few times - changed a few bits - thanks for doing it
[18:17] <knome> np
[18:17] <knome> shall extend that, probably pushing out when ochosi is back
[18:22] <flocculant> right - did wonder, seemed a bit skeletonish :p
[18:22] <flocculant> knome: did you see "if we want to use release note from x.org instead of u.wiki ..." earlier today? assuming so
[18:24] <knome> i didn't
[18:24] <knome> but now i did :P
[18:24] <flocculant> :)
[18:24] <flocculant> that said - not sure it's going to say more than 'there isn't anything because blah' at the moment
[18:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: so the few times a year it would be good if we were usefully close timezones are around release time :p
[18:46] <flocculant> need your position on releasing and this suspend lock thing ...
[18:47] <flocculant> which I'll read tomorrow morning I hope :)


[16:09] <firl> rick_h_ Just finished doing the openstack install via the gui only. I ended up having to remove the ceph services, re add them manually, commit the conifg, then add the machines then commit the units.
[16:09] <firl> rick_h_: If I could add a config file for a whole bundle, that’d be awesome before placing the units
[16:10] <rick_h_> firl: can you shoot an email summary to the juju list? I'd be curious to peek at what you did long form an expoose it to others.
[16:11] <rick_h_> I'm afk at a sprint at the moment but want to check it out.
[16:11] <firl> sure, I just need to figure out where the email distro subscription is
[16:12] <rick_h_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
[16:12] <firl> ty, I will summarize and send an email out
[16:15] <rick_h_> ty much!


[15:59]  * rharper finds the irc page
[15:59] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:59] <ahasenack> o/
[15:59] <slashd> o/
[15:59] <rharper> o/
[16:00] <cpaelzer> oh I just realize that I updated the log, but missed the agenda update
[16:00] <rharper> and the new meeting date
[16:00] <cpaelzer> dpb's action of last week is done, all others carried
[16:00] <rharper> but it's really annoying that it's in 5 places
[16:00] <cpaelzer> yes
[16:00] <cpaelzer> I get all 1/5 times so do most others
[16:00] <rharper> hehe
[16:01]  * rharper waits just a bit more after summoning some folks
[16:01] <smb> o/
[16:01] <powersj> o/
[16:02] <rharper> ok
[16:02] <rharper> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 18 16:02:05 2017 UTC.  The chair is rharper. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <rharper> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <rharper> previous agenda looks the same, nacc's out this week, so I'll just carry those
[16:02] <rharper> #action nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:02] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <cpaelzer> yes
[16:03] <rharper> #action nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot (carried over)
[16:03] <cpaelzer> and yours likely as well?
[16:03] <rharper> rbasak is not here as well, so carry
[16:03] <rharper> well
[16:03] <rharper> I *did* do one of them
[16:03] <cpaelzer> yay++
[16:03] <rharper> so, gonna mark that complete
[16:03] <cpaelzer> rbasak was around
[16:03] <cpaelzer> let's ping him "at home"
[16:03] <rharper> k
[16:04] <rharper> I'll carry it and then mark it done if the answer differs
[16:04] <rharper> #action rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page (carried over)
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page (carried over)
[16:04] <rharper> #done rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init
[16:05] <rharper> on the serverguide, there wasn't much of a section on cloud-init so wasn't sure what to do about that
[16:05] <rharper> so I'll carry for now
[16:05] <rharper> #action rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:05] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init (carried over)
[16:05] <rharper> ok
[16:06] <rharper> rbasak: I marked your previous task as carry-over, is that accurate ?
[16:07] <rharper> I'll assume so and you can correct me later if needed
[16:07] <rharper> #topic Artful Development
[16:07] <rharper> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[16:07] <rbasak> rharper: that's correct, thanks.
[16:07] <rharper> rbasak: great!
[16:07] <smoser> o/
[16:07] <rharper> #subtopic blueprints
[16:08] <rharper> #link https://trello.com/b/U9HhWyT0/daily-ubuntu-server
[16:08] <rharper> any update to current work that needs discussion ?
[16:08] <cpaelzer> actually the blueprints are replaced by the non daiyl board
[16:08] <cpaelzer> let me fetch the link
[16:08] <ahasenack> I think just the meeting subtopic is named incorrectly
[16:08] <ahasenack> the link looks correct
[16:08] <cpaelzer> https://trello.com/b/8bC9VQMk/server-backlog
[16:08] <rharper> I have the link, but the subtopic is from the paste
[16:08] <rharper> lemme put the bp link and then switch subtopics
[16:09] <cpaelzer> well we have the short and the longterm one - I think it is fair to link up both from the meeting
[16:09] <rharper> #subtopic Current Work
[16:09] <cpaelzer> to give the full view
[16:09] <rharper> the backlog one ?
[16:09] <rharper> #link https://trello.com/b/8bC9VQMk/server-backlog
[16:09] <rharper> we have both, and can fix up the actions
[16:09] <cpaelzer> the old blueprint split into daily and backlog - which together are a superset of the old
[16:09] <rharper> #action rharper to update irc cut-n-paste links to point to trello pages
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper to update irc cut-n-paste links to point to trello pages
[16:10] <rharper> ok, any backlog discussion needed ?
[16:10] <rharper> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:10] <cpaelzer> no changes incoming atm afaik
[16:10] <cpaelzer> (on the backlog)
[16:10] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:10] <rharper> cpaelzer: thanks
[16:11] <rharper> anything hot here ?
[16:11] <cpaelzer> one general question
[16:11] <cpaelzer> slashd: who is now Mr. sosreport?
[16:11] <cpaelzer> it seems you on one of the bugs found in the link above - is that the case?
[16:12] <slashd> cpaelzer, well I'm taking care of it, and have monthly meeting with stokachu
[16:12] <cpaelzer> ok, thanks
[16:13] <cpaelzer> didn't know that stokachu is intertwinded with sosreport
[16:13] <cpaelzer> on the django bug - that is in proposed - nacc can share more next week when he is available
[16:13] <rharper> ok
[16:13] <cpaelzer> maybe it even migrated until then
[16:13] <slashd> cpaelzer, he is upstream/ubuntu, sosreport is crucial for us, so I decide to take the lead on this for our team
[16:14] <cpaelzer> ok, good to know
[16:14] <slashd> and work with him on this to merge package in a regular basis when needed to fix bug
[16:14] <rharper> #info stokachu is upstream/ubuntu for sosreport package
[16:14] <rharper> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd, ddstreet)
[16:14] <slashd> Business as usual for us, here's the SRUs we are currently working on : https://pastebin.canonical.com/193745/ , other than that I have nothing special to report this week.
[16:15] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:15] <slashd> #info SRU pending for : percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5 percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6, open-iscsi, ksh, cups, nfs-utils, rsyslog
[16:15] <rharper> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:15] <ahasenack> hm, rsyslog
[16:16] <ahasenack> slashd: what is the rsyslog sru?
[16:16] <ahasenack> time jumps
[16:16] <ahasenack> ok, see it
[16:16] <ahasenack> I might have another sru for it soon
[16:16] <ahasenack> but can wait
[16:16] <rharper> bug #1429427
[16:17] <cpaelzer> fyi from me also a nut SRU might be coming soon
[16:17] <cpaelzer> but I thought "soon" since quite a while, so I don't know how soon
[16:17] <slashd> ahasenack, only for trusty, so it won't block you for other releases
[16:17] <rharper> #info #1429427 - (rsyslog) Unexplainable time jumps in CRON , Series to SRU : trusty, Owners : Seyeong Kim
[16:17] <cpaelzer> I want Debian to move before us so we can keep a sync
[16:17] <slashd> I can ping you when Trusty SRU is done if you want
[16:18] <rharper> #info #1590799 - (nfs-utils) nfs-kernel-server does not start because of dependency failure,  Series to SRU : yakkety, Verification : verification-done-xenial verification-needed, Owners : Rafael David Tinoco
[16:18] <ahasenack> slashd: ok
[16:18] <ahasenack> mine is...
[16:18] <rharper> #info #1657256 - (percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5 percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6) Percona crashes when doing a a 'larger' update , Series to SRU : xenial zesty trusty yakkety, Owners : Mario Splivalo
[16:18] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/1675515
[16:18] <ahasenack> which leads to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/1703987
[16:18] <rharper> #info #1668639 - (rsyslog) Add a trigger to reload rsyslog when a new configuration file is dropped in /etc/rsyslog.d, Series to SRU : xenial zesty artful trusty yakkety, Owners : Frode Nordahl
[16:19] <ahasenack> as just changing the config doesn't fix it (upstream bug)
[16:19] <rharper> #info #1684039 - (open-iscsi) iBFT network configuration does not correctly populate PROTO=dhcp in /run/net-*.conf which breaks cloud-init, Series to SRU : xenial artful zesty, Owners : Trent Lloyd
[16:19] <rharper> #info #1695876 - (cups) German Documentation file displays incorrect CUPS version, Series to SRU : xenial, Owners : Ivy Alexander
[16:20] <rharper> #info #1697501 - (ksh) ksh segfault on  job_chksave () after it receive a SIGCHLD (Signal 17) , Series to SRU : xenial zesty yakkety, Verification : verification-done-trusty verification-done-xenial verification-done-yakkety verification-done-zesty, Owners : Eric Desrochers
[16:20] <rharper> ok, link dereferenced for logs and emailing
[16:21] <rharper> ok, moving forward
[16:21] <rharper> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:21] <rharper> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:21] <powersj> Last week lots of time spent on the KVM backend for cloud-init testing. This week more of the same.
[16:21] <powersj> questions?
[16:21] <rharper> \o/
[16:21] <rharper> when/where can I try it ?
[16:22] <rharper> branch, jenkins job?
[16:22] <powersj> https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/cii-kvm
[16:22] <powersj> there is the branch ^
[16:22] <cpaelzer> powersj: x86 only for now?
[16:22] <powersj> cpaelzer: yes
[16:22] <cpaelzer> how much more lockup when virt tests run?
[16:22] <cpaelzer> so how much workload in hours?
[16:23] <powersj> heh not sure yet, I have the backend working, but I need to spend time on test cases to utilize the new features
[16:23] <rharper> #link https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/cii-kvm
[16:23] <cpaelzer> sure
[16:23] <rharper> #info cloud-init integration testing with KVM backend in progress
[16:24] <rharper> powersj: did the curtin vmtests run last night ?
[16:24]  * rharper hasn't looked
[16:24] <powersj> rharper: ah yes all passed, except daily-t due to bcache
[16:24] <rharper> my manual run on our developement system passed all tests
[16:24] <teward> (i'm late again sorry)
[16:24] <rharper> powersj: ok, good; that's more normal
[16:25] <rharper> I think the bcache on trusty might be the TOCTOU bug I filed
[16:25] <rharper> typically happens under load only
[16:25] <rharper> bug #1700564
[16:25] <rharper> any other questions for powersj ?
[16:26] <rharper> previous week there was some discussion on seed changes?
[16:26] <rharper> cpaelzer: powersj any update here ?
[16:26] <powersj> ah I misspoke, wasn't seed change
[16:26] <rharper> ah
[16:26] <rharper> ok
[16:26] <powersj> sounded as if a dependency change pulled more things in, no update though
[16:27] <cpaelzer> seed changes were about virt- tasks
[16:27] <cpaelzer> they are done, waiting on aa to remove some packages, that is all
[16:27] <rharper> ok
[16:27] <cpaelzer> that is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1540323
[16:27] <rharper> #info seed changes are done, waiting on an AA to remove some packages
[16:28] <rharper> cpaelzer: thanks
[16:28] <rharper> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:28] <smb> Or was that about nplan and libnss-resolve not being pulled in by the same meta? That is in kind of works
[16:28] <smb> or systemd-netword has to be fixed to work without libnss-resolve
[16:29] <smb> Anyhow for kernel. Been distracted with other things, so only can say artful kernel is 4.11 now and intention for release is to be 4.13... Any questions?
[16:29] <rharper> smb: mmm, systemd fun
[16:29] <smb> a source of much fun... :-P
[16:29] <rharper> "fun"
[16:29] <rharper> yes, I need more of that
[16:30] <rharper> smb: was there a bug for the libnss-resolve/systemd-networkd/nplan path ?
[16:30] <smb> yes
[16:30] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1703640
[16:30] <rharper> excellent, thanks
[16:30] <rharper> any other questions for smb ?
[16:31] <rharper> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:31] <rharper> #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/
[16:31] <rharper> any paper submissions or new venues to discuss ?
[16:32] <rharper> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:32] <cpaelzer> better late than never, on the topic before "systemd fun" FYI 234 is in proposed
[16:32] <cpaelzer> and fixes one of my issues, so it is fun this time
[16:32] <rharper> well, that's got to be better than 232 and 233
[16:33] <rharper> no team events to announce yet
[16:33] <rharper> ok
[16:33] <rharper> #topic Open Discussion
[16:33] <rharper> fire away
[16:33] <smb> rharper, as you asked for more systemd "fun": here you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1703882
[16:33] <rharper> that's no fun
[16:33] <smb> though might be fixed in the new version, I have not yet looked
[16:34] <rharper> I suspect AA under MAAS is going to be interesting
[16:34] <smb> the interesting as in "interesting times"
[16:34] <rharper> indeed
[16:35] <rharper> there doesn't seem to be anything up for discussion so I'll go ahead and close
[16:35] <rharper> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:35] <rharper> chair will be powersj
[16:35] <powersj> \o/
[16:35] <rharper> meeting sametime a week from now, minus 35 minutes
[16:35] <rharper> #endmeeting
[16:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 18 16:35:58 2017 UTC.
[16:35] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-07-18-16.02.moin.txt
[16:36] <ahasenack> thx
[16:36] <cpaelzer> thank you rharper!
[16:36] <rharper> np
[16:36] <powersj> thx rharper
[16:36] <powersj> o/
[16:36]  * rharper queues of the background work
[16:36] <rharper> up