[00:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, would you mind going ahead and removing -controls from natty seeds, i don't think the update will be ready in time
[00:30] <holstein> ScottL: can you do the /topic in here?
[00:30] <ScottL> holstein, funnily enough, i think i need to be at work to do it :P  but i can try though
[00:31] <holstein> lol
[00:31] <holstein> well, when you think about it
[00:31] <holstein> add that the meetings are the first sunday of the month
[00:31] <holstein> if you still want to try and keep that going?
[00:31] <holstein> that would be this sunday
[00:31] <ScottL> yes i would, most feverently
[00:31] <holstein> COOL
[00:32] <holstein> me too
[00:32] <holstein> i'll get a thing out to the list tonite or tomorrow
[00:51] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ok will do once beta is out.
[01:16] <ScottL> TheMuso, thanks
[01:17] <ScottL> holstein, yeah, giving some heads up will be useful to potential attendees
[01:17] <ScottL> huh, it looks like i can change the topic :P
[01:18] <ScottL> holstein, how's that?
[01:19] <holstein> ScottL: :)
[10:03] <ailo> ScottL, I'm in Sweden, which is +1 GMT. Sorry I missed you yesterday. I've started a bit of outlining on the documentation, so I could present that to you tomorrow. We could decide on some categories, and add items to those.
[11:03] <jussi> go back to work astraljava :P
[11:34] <astraljava> I _am_ working. Occasional FB session doesn't change that. :D
[11:34] <astraljava> The fact that I'm not currently very busy at work on the other...
[13:17] <ScottL> ailo, no problem, we're all here when we can be :)
[13:17] <ScottL> ailo, that sounds good about the documentation, i look forward to planning the work and then working the plan
[15:12] <scott-work> ppa:kxstudio-team/ppa
[18:00] <falktx_> hey, where are the downloads for natty beta1 iso?
[18:01] <falktx_> I can only find source - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/beta-1/
[18:04] <falktx_> hm, daily has iso
[18:04] <falktx_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/natty-alternate-amd64.iso
[20:06] <holstein> Daviey: NON URGENT QUERY
[20:06] <holstein> if we wanted mootbot?
[20:06] <holstein> for the meetings?
[20:06] <holstein> i forget which of you uk-podcasters helped us (ubuntu-us-nc) get that going on
[20:07] <Daviey> holstein, I can add mootbot-uk, i control that one... the others you'd need to talk to the irc council or something
[20:07] <holstein> i didnt know much about the particulars at the time
[20:07] <Daviey> holstein, it was me. :)
[20:07] <holstein> i just noticed an improved quality of life:)
[20:08] <holstein> Daviey: when you say IRC council?
[20:08] <holstein> thats ubuntu?
[20:08] <holstein> or freenode?
[20:09] <Daviey> ubuntu
[20:09] <holstein> OK
[20:09] <holstein> Daviey: thanks :)
[20:33] <ScottL> holstein, thanks for the meeting email
[20:33] <ScottL> what is mootbot?
[20:33] <ScottL> .g mootbot
[20:33] <ScottL> argh, no thelonious here, ppttthhhh
[20:34] <ScottL> oh, sweet, i like mootbot already :)
[22:58] <ScottL> hi quadrispro, how are you?
[22:58] <quadrispro> ScottL, ehy! fine here, and you?
[22:58] <quadrispro> hello all
[22:59] <ScottL> quadrispro, doing good, things are afoot and progress is being made
[23:00] <quadrispro> have you noticed LV2-rev4 in unstable?


[13:09] <jbicha> good morning
[13:09] <jbicha> ricotz: btw, I just started the poppler 23.12 transition, I hope it's not disruptive for you
[13:24] <ricotz> jbicha, hello :), still waiting for armhf autopkgtests to run while libreoffice is still in noble-proposed :\
[13:25] <ricotz> when it transitioned then there is already a 7.4.6 rc1 to pick up poppler
[13:28] <jbicha> ricotz: I'm not in a rush, just giving you a heads up in case the new poppler breaks something :(
[13:29] <jbicha> I plan to skip the January poppler release and then ship 24.04 with the February poppler release
[13:32] <ricotz> jbicha, that is good then :), note the failing i386 poppler build
[13:33] <ricotz> ah you alread did
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[06:28] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[07:34] <Kilos> o/ elacheche
[07:34] <elacheche> o/ Kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> did you see? the drc joined us last night
[07:35] <elacheche> drc?
[07:35] <elacheche> Ah congo!
[07:35] <Kilos> democratic republic of congo
[07:35] <elacheche> I just see that
[07:36] <Kilos> i mailed them about 3 months ago
[07:37] <elacheche> Awesome :)
[07:37] <Kilos> we getting there slowly
[07:38] <elacheche> Better then never achieve the goal :)
[07:38] <Kilos> yeah
[07:41] <Kilos> the important thing is to get everyone to join the mailing list
[07:41] <elacheche> yep
[09:08] <Kilos> QA  coffee on
[09:08]  * QA washes some mugs
[09:12] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:13] <Kilos> QA  ty
[09:13] <QA> Only a pleasure Kilos
[09:32] <ariabbas> .
[09:32] <Kilos> hi ariabbas  Benno-007
[09:52] <Kilos> QA  start meeting
[09:52]  * QA gets out the memo-pad and cracks her knuckles
[09:53] <Kilos> i am just meeting with me so i can see where the bot saves log minutes etc
[09:53] <QA> Kilos: Yessir
[09:53] <Kilos> QA  coffee on
[09:53]  * QA puts the kettle on
[09:56] <Kilos> we need to have a meeting in about 3 weeks time
[09:57] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:57] <Kilos> QA  ty
[09:57] <QA> Only a pleasure Kilos
[10:03] <cyrilb> Hiring system administrator in Mauritius: http://www.dreamnology.com/careers/
[10:10] <Kilos> QA  agreed sysadmin job http://www.dreamnology.com/careers/
[10:10] <QA> Agreed: sysadmin job http://www.dreamnology.com/careers/
[10:10] <Kilos> QA  end meeting
[10:10] <QA> Meeting Ended
[10:10] <QA> Minutes available at json: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2015-07-02-09-53-27.json :: txt: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2015-07-02-09-53-27.txt :: html: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2015-07-02-09-53-27.html
[10:11] <Kilos> i still need to find out about the agenda thing
[10:46] <Kilos> elacheche  how does the 29th at my 8.30pm sound for our first meeting?
[10:47] <elacheche> seems good to me I'm free that day..
[10:47] <Kilos> im busy doing an agenda page
[10:48] <Kilos> luna must also attend hey
[10:48] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:15] <Kilos> hi d4rk-5c0rp
[11:15] <Kilos> elacheche  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricaTeams/Meetings
[11:16] <d4rk-5c0rp> hey Kilos
[11:16] <d4rk-5c0rp> wassup
[11:16] <Kilos> trying to sort an agenda for our first meeting
[11:28] <Kilos> all you guys can look at the preminary agenda and add ideas or events in your areas
[13:19] <elacheche> You'll lead tonight's board Kilos :D
[13:19] <Kilos> you are the chair
[13:19] <elacheche> x)
[13:19] <elacheche> I'll eat fast then..
[13:19] <Kilos> im there to see you guys behave
[13:20] <elacheche> :)
[13:21] <Kilos> hehe
[13:21] <Kilos> oh the emails i get dont show applicants in both timeslots
[14:54] <elacheche> see you tonight Kilos
[14:55] <Kilos> ok elacheche
[14:55] <Kilos> be good
[14:55] <Kilos> no coffee
[16:20] <elacheche_anis> I am prepared for tonight Kilos :)
[16:21] <elacheche_anis> You can't say that I am lazy :p :D
[16:21] <Kilos> good man
[16:22] <elacheche_anis> :) :D
[16:22] <Kilos> did you look at the wiki page for out meeting agenda
[16:23] <elacheche_anis> Nope :D I really did like the plan text thing :D So when I'll look at it I'll READ it while am EDITING it to make it looks better :D
[16:24] <elacheche_anis> That's a side effect of coffee too.. I can't read plan text (Black on White BG) in logs or wikis unless there is some colours x)
[16:25] <elacheche_anis> O:)
[16:25] <Kilos> oh my
[16:26] <elacheche_anis> :D
[16:26] <elacheche_anis> I'll make it looks better when I'll read it :) :D Go and check my wiki for examples :)
[16:26] <Kilos> well the page is there for you too change as you see fit
[16:27] <Kilos> nono no go check stuff man, just do it , i started
[16:28] <elacheche_anis> I know :D You know that I'll do that because I said so.. I'll try to do it asap :)
[16:28] <Kilos> you got time
[16:28] <Kilos> i still have to see that the bot stores minutes there i think
[16:29] <Kilos> maybe it even has to be on launchpad
[16:31] <Kilos> i see it already stores minutes
[16:33] <elacheche_anis> what bot? what minutes? lp? x) sometimes I don't understand English x)
[16:34] <Kilos> QA
[16:34] <Kilos> QA  start meeting
[16:34]  * QA gets out the memo-pad and cracks her knuckles
[16:34] <Kilos> elacheche_anis  ^^
[16:34] <elacheche_anis> Ah!!!
[16:34] <elacheche_anis> I see x)
[16:35] <Kilos> QA  end meeting
[16:35] <QA> Meeting Ended
[16:35] <QA> Minutes available at json: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2015-07-02-16-35-09.json :: txt: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2015-07-02-16-35-09.txt :: html: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2015-07-02-16-35-09.html
[16:35] <Kilos> elacheche_anis  ^^
[16:35] <Kilos> i think its all setup
[16:38] <elacheche_anis> Great :D
[16:38] <elacheche_anis> Need to go :)
[16:38] <elacheche_anis> see you later
[16:38] <Kilos> ok later
[16:43] <Kilos> QA  agenda is <reply> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricaTeams/Meetings
[16:43] <QA> Kilos: Got it
[21:11] <Kilos> QA  agenda
[21:11] <QA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/Meetings/20150729


[00:07] <gamerchick02> i have a crown.
[00:07] <gamerchick02> but i'm the only one who can wear it.
[02:16] <snap-l> http://www.newscorp.com/news/news_502.html <- Shortest Press Release Ever.
[11:37] <Wolfger> morning
[11:37] <rick_h_> morning
[11:40] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://www.walrus-books.com/2011/06/epubdemo3/
[12:09] <Wolfger> Why does NASA keep looking for signs of life on Mars? I say we should be transporting microscopic organisms over there, and see what happens to them when they are set loose.
[12:09] <greg-g> g'morn
[12:10] <Wolfger> Live? Die? Mutate? Evolve and declare independence from Mother Earth?
[12:11] <brousch> Wolfger: that's not very environmentally friendly of you
[12:11] <Wolfger> It's very environmentally friendly. I'm trying to promote an ecosystem
[12:12] <greg-g> Wolfger: didn't you know? Wastelands are supposed to stay wastelands!
[12:12] <brousch> first we must determine if an ecosystem already exists
[12:12] <Wolfger> I mean, if we're going to launch Curiosity to see if Mars can sustain life, what better way of testing than to send some life over and see? Mythbuster this thing wide open.
[12:12] <greg-g> ok, brousch was actually a better hippy than I there.
[12:13] <brousch> greg-g: but we only have to do this because damned dirty hippies like you would whine if we didn't ;)
[12:13] <greg-g> Wolfger: well, as a scientist, we know that we would have to send every type of simple organism imagineable, which we can't really find in the wild nor create in the lab, so we wouldn't be able to bust any myth other than "given the species we tried..."
[12:14] <greg-g> brousch: true.
[12:14] <greg-g> :)
[12:14] <Wolfger> So renamed "Curiosity" as "Noah" and send sufficient samples of every microorganism we can
[12:15] <greg-g> sufficient is the hard/possibly impossible word there
[12:15] <Wolfger> they're microorganisms... they don't take much room :-)
[12:15] <greg-g> not about room, but about getting all of the right combinations of traits
[12:15] <greg-g> am I being too serious too early in the morning?
[12:16] <Wolfger> greg-g: sufficient meaning, in this case, "a number that scientists agree should be able to start a viable new culture upon arrival". I don't now how many that is, but I'm sure the dudes who study microbiology do.
[12:17] <Wolfger> but I think good starting points are to send organisms that already live in harsh environments on Earth.
[12:18] <Wolfger> of course, one problem with this approach is that the long flight through space may/will start them mutating before they reach Mars
[12:18] <Wolfger> but we can only do so much. Instantaneous transport of material is not yet possible (nor is it likely to ever be, sorry Star Trek fans)
[12:27] <brousch> dreamkiller
[13:04] <snap-l> blargh
[13:05] <snap-l> spent the night at Emergency with JoDee's dad because hefell
[13:05] <Wolfger> :-(  Sorry to hear that snap-l
[13:05] <Wolfger> is he ok?
[13:06] <snap-l> I know there's no way in hell I can get8 hours of sleep in 2hours, but damned if I'm going to try
[13:06] <snap-l> Yeah, he's fine
[13:06] <snap-l> they couldn't stop the bleeding because he's on blood thinners
[13:06] <brousch> snap-l: that's rough
[13:06] <snap-l> common problem
[13:06] <snap-l> But the American House sent him there
[13:06] <snap-l> as he should have been sent the many times before
[13:07] <snap-l> (when he wasn't at American House)
[13:08] <snap-l> Still, quite tired today
[13:08] <snap-l> Didn't get home until after 5am
[13:10] <brousch> did you bring a pillow?
[13:10] <snap-l> to Emergency? No
[13:10] <snap-l> To work? I work from home.
[13:10] <snap-l> So a pillow is a glorious few feet away.
[13:11] <greg-g> an all but too tempting few feet away, eh?
[13:14] <snap-l> Actually not as far as one might think
[13:19] <snap-l> God I really hate the connection manager that ships with the Thinkpad for Windows
[13:21] <brousch> well the obvious solution is
[13:21] <brousch> bah, nevermind, you have it bad enough this morning
[13:21] <snap-l> Say Ubuntu motherfucker. Say it.
[13:21] <snap-l> ;)
[13:22] <brousch> no, now i'm afraid to
[13:22] <snap-l> OK, the Internet hasn't blown up. Life still exists on the planet
[13:22] <snap-l> All is well with the world.
[13:22] <snap-l> and if we want that homeostatis to continue, I shall try to get inanother hour.
[13:22] <snap-l> laterness.
[13:26] <Wolfger> snap-l: Ubuntu
[13:27] <greg-g> Say 'what' again, I dare you!
[13:27] <Wolfger> greg-g: what
[13:27] <Wolfger> I so totally would have been killed by that man
[13:27] <greg-g> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snW3cM1KipQ
[13:28] <greg-g> Wolfger: I don't think you are alone in that assessment
[13:28] <Wolfger> that I would have been killed?
[13:28] <Wolfger> thanks
[13:32] <Wolfger> Is it just me, or does anybody else think the typical American is more concerned with the NFL lockout than the debt ceiling?
[13:33] <brousch> i'm more concerned with how oracle's lawsuit will impact android
[13:35] <jjesse> Wolfger you are correct
[13:36] <jjesse> i could care less about the nfl lockout
[13:36] <jjesse> though i don't understand the need for a debt ceiling if we are always going to raise it
[13:37] <brousch> heh, that is kind of silly
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> I am very concerned about the status of the Handegg league.  Tkinter, just because it's built in? Or something else? I will want the end product to be cross platform and distributable without non-Linux people having to install other packages (Linux people have no problem with this, due to our awesome package managers!)
[14:00] <rick_h_> http://www.androidcentral.com/google-music-manager-now-available-linux
[14:01]  * rick_h_ wonders how I got to be excluded from python questions
[14:01] <Wolfger> (...and I only exclude rick_h_ because I don't want to hear anything about using CLI instead of gui... not because I don't value his opinion)
[14:02] <rick_h_> wxpython for simple stuff, going all the way to pyqt if you're doing a real app
[14:03] <Wolfger> "real app"?
[14:03] <rick_h_> so if you're just sticking a ui in front of some script/etc I'd just add wxpython as I think it's easier to get into
[14:03] <rick_h_> but I don't know it would scale up well for something larger
[14:03] <Wolfger> I basically want to write an IRC client (from the gui perspective, identical)
[14:04] <rick_h_> with a side note that I've had limited experience
[14:04] <Wolfger> is there any FLOSS IRC client written in Python I could steal from?
[14:04] <rick_h_> no idea, gui irc seems a bit crazy to me :P
[14:05] <Wolfger> heh
[14:07] <brousch> with any gui other than tkinter you will have to install something extra, or go through the pain of trying to package it
[14:07] <brousch> esp on windows
[14:09] <brousch> you need python+wxpython, or python+pygtk all in one installer, or python+pyqt
[14:09] <brousch> because, remember, windows doesn't even come with python
[14:13] <Wolfger> Windows sucks. :-p
[14:14] <Wolfger> is there any built-in package creator for Python, to distribute Py apps on sucky OS's
[14:14] <Wolfger> ?
[14:15] <brousch> kind of
[14:15] <brousch> http://www.py2exe.org/
[14:27] <brousch> rick_h_: are you actually using the google music manager?
[14:27] <brousch> mine complained that flac is not supported, now it won't upload anything
[14:34] <rick_h_> brousch: no, I
[14:34] <rick_h_> m in the amazon boat
[14:34] <rick_h_> but figured I'd share
[14:34] <rick_h_> the article says it supports flac and ogg by transcoding them to 320kb .mp3 and uploads those
[14:34] <brousch> yeah, now it says the servers may be overloaded
[14:35] <brousch> all those linux geek uploading their music
[14:35] <rick_h_> we tend to have good bandwidth
[14:35] <rick_h_> need it for those iso's and updates :)
[14:57] <Wolfger> too much to learn :-p
[14:58] <Wolfger> I need the plug-in learning, Matrix style.
[14:58]  * Wolfger knows kung fu
[14:58] <Wolfger> (not really)
[14:58] <brousch> need to learn python, then the gui toolkit, then how to distribute it
[14:58] <rick_h_> google doodle is kind of cool today
[14:58] <rick_h_> yea, welcome to programming :)
[14:59] <jjesse> its pretty nice
[14:59] <rick_h_> next we'll make you a DBA, then a deployment wizard, and finally see if we can melt your brain with some scaling tricks using async, eventual consistancy, and message passing :)
[15:00] <Wolfger> start learning Python, then somebody says stfu&c and I say yeah, sounds good, oh wait, now I'm learning Tk. No, wait, wx...
[15:00] <Wolfger> ugh
[15:00] <Wolfger> I could just make it a cli app that virtually nobody would use... :-p
[15:01] <brousch> webapp
[15:01] <brousch> everything is a webapp now
[15:02] <Wolfger> because I think the overlap between people who use Twitter and people who use CLI is very small... add in the circle of people who would find my app useful, and I might be the only one in that Venn
[15:02] <Wolfger> webapp sucks
[15:02] <Wolfger> then I would have to host it
[15:02] <brousch> oh, it's some kind of twitter app?
[15:03] <brousch> you're supposed to use adobe air for those
[15:03] <Wolfger> THC: Twitter Hastag Chat
[15:03] <Wolfger> for that segment of the Twitter population that treats a hashtag almost exactly like an IRC chatroom (but have no idea what IRC is)
[15:04] <ptenhoopen_> Interesting
[15:04] <brousch> sounds like a plugin for pidgin
[15:04] <Wolfger> I came up with this idea about a year ago, and got some people excited that I might actually do it
[15:05] <Wolfger> and then like a chump I dropped it on the floor
[15:05] <Wolfger> swept it under the rug
[15:06] <Wolfger> now I'm feeling the urge to code (though not necessarily stfu)
[15:06] <Wolfger> :-)
[15:06] <Wolfger> ugh... s/Hastag/Hashtag/...
[15:07] <brousch> write the cli version then slap on the gui
[15:07] <rick_h_> api
[15:07] <Wolfger> thought about that... not sure how well that would work. I think I might be causing myself more pain doing it that way
[15:08] <ptenhoopen_> brousch: +1
[15:08] <ptenhoopen_> rick_h: +1
[15:08] <jrwren> its sad that this channel is most active during business hours.  so much lost productivity :)
[15:09] <brousch> :P
[15:09] <Wolfger> jrwren --
[15:09] <Wolfger> :-)
[15:09] <brousch> who peed on your wheaties this morning?
[15:10] <jrwren> wtf?
[15:10] <jrwren> rofl
[15:10] <jrwren> i just wish I got more done in a day.
[15:11] <brousch> ah, i thought you were admonishing us for being less productive
[15:12] <Wolfger> rick_h_: google doodle is downright bizarre today
[15:16] <rick_h_> yea, interesting/different
[15:25] <Blazeix> I'm a big fan of calders
[15:25] <Blazeix> I'd also like to be on the team who develops these doodles.
[15:25] <Blazeix> s/who/that/
[15:44] <Wolfger> normally you can make out the "Google" inside the doodle, but I don't see it at all here
[15:44] <jjesse> can you make it "spin" in a way that shows it?
[15:44] <Wolfger> oh, sure, let's just waste *more* productivity....  That's just wrong.
[15:58] <brousch> you probably have to grab it
[15:58] <Wolfger> Hmm
[15:58] <brousch> held in place by flexing of her buttocks
[15:59] <Wolfger> LOL
[15:59] <Wolfger> I was in the process of typing "that makes sense" until you threw in that last comment
[16:02] <snap-l> Wolfger: Python GUI? wxpython
[16:31] <jrwren> rofl.
[16:31] <jrwren> pygtk?
[16:32] <greg-g> ok, this may be a dumb question, but are there any service providers that all you to use a 4g capable phone on their 3g network (eg: virgin mobile)
[16:32] <jrwren> allow you?
[16:33] <greg-g> well, like, some providers don't let you use any phone other than the ones they sell, right
[16:33] <jrwren> i would think they all do. i've never heard of a 3g fon that doesn't fall back to edge if there is no 3g
[16:33] <greg-g> well, my thinking is this: buy a 4g phone full price, but get a 3g (eg: virgin mobile) plan for a month or so, and maybe switch over to a "grown up" plan later with 4g service
[16:34] <greg-g> (virgin only has 3g service, not 4g)
[16:35] <rick_h_> the problem is that the phones only work per service for the most part
[16:35] <rick_h_> they're built with specific freq. bands
[16:35] <rick_h_> and they just don't run on the bands of the other networks
[16:35] <rick_h_> 4g is the same way, ATT and verizion 4g phones run on a sub-section of the 4g spectrum
[16:36] <Wolfger> uh... hmm...
[16:36] <rick_h_> so even though they'll finally have sim cards, you can't take a Verizon 4g phone over to ATT because the radio isn't build for those bands in the spectrum
[16:36] <Wolfger> I could be completely wrong, but I thought all carriers in the US used one of two bands
[16:36] <rick_h_> they uses ranges in the bands
[16:37] <rick_h_> the band is say xxx-yyy and verizon will use x00-x66 and att x67-x99 kind of thing
[16:37] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/15/verizon-no-our-4g-lte-phones-wont-work-with-atts-lte-network/
[16:37] <rick_h_> Verizon’s LTE network operates in the upper half of the 700 Mhz range (746-787 Mhz), while AT&T’s operates on the lower half (704-746).
[16:37] <rick_h_> and then that article brings up that the 4g isn't carrying voice calls yet
[16:40] <Wolfger> re: quidditch... friend of mine came up with a brilliant suggestion just now. Instead of holding the brooms between their legs and running around, they should be "flying" unicycles around the field.  But, I guess I saw that coming
[16:42] <rick_h_> yea, this is why I just go contract. Only tmo has a price cut if you buy your own phone
[16:42] <rick_h_> but it's not like you can get a phone and carrier hop
[16:42] <rick_h_> it's all a very tied system
[16:42] <jrwren> zomg, unicycles would be awesome!
[16:42] <greg-g> damn, my plans are foiled!
[16:42] <greg-g> rick_h_: thanks for the reality check.
[16:43] <rick_h_> basicaly start with the carrier that works in your area and then find the phone you want amonth them
[16:43] <rick_h_> amonth/among
[16:43]  * greg-g nods
[16:52] <snap-l> Wel, you're also dealing with carriers that have ben slow to upgrae their systems as well
[16:53] <rick_h_> yea, it's a freaking mess
[16:54] <snap-l> Esp since Verizon uses CDMA
[17:03]  * greg-g grumbles
[17:04] <rick_h_> greg-g: you've done good to stay out of this long heh
[17:04] <greg-g> :)
[17:07] <snap-l> greg-g: This video should help you transition to your new phone service: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/94774
[17:12] <snap-l> Apparently these video was created before the invention of the zero
[17:23] <greg-g> snap-l: thanks :)
[17:27] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/95224/is-there-any-limit-on-how-much-one-should-consider-about-learning-new-programming
[17:41] <rick_h_> lol, awesome. I think I've got that disease Wolfger
[17:42] <Wolfger> yeah, it reminded me of your rant about part time devs...
[17:43] <Wolfger> there are those that want to know enough to get/keep a job, and then there are those that just want to know more and more and omgitneverends
[17:46] <rick_h_> it is tough though, there really is a never ending set of skills to get from just writing a script to scaling up some large service
[17:46] <rick_h_> and it's hard to know enough about each step/level
[17:46] <rick_h_> and that's not even considering things like languages/db tools that are just plain better for some jobs than others
[17:47] <snap-l> Welcome to programming. It's a journey, not a destination
[17:53] <brousch> great, now you guys don't have to watch my pyohio presentation
[17:53] <rick_h_> why is this?
[17:54] <brousch> you already have all of the conclusions
[17:54] <Wolfger> \o/
[17:56] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/95224/is-there-any-limit-on-how-much-one-should-consider-about-learning-new-programming/95247#95247
[17:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: Why do you read programmers.stackexchange.com? :)
[17:57] <snap-l> It's like the biggest programmer rathole out there.
[17:57] <snap-l> "What color is your bellybutton lint?"
[17:58] <Wolfger> because sometimes it's fun to read that rubbish and make fun of people :-)
[17:58] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/16651/programming-for-the-sake-of-programming-is-there-something-wrong
[17:58] <snap-l> We are artists. Our profession is a form of art.  You've been on/off today it seems?
[18:06] <_stink_> :)
[18:06] <_stink_> rick_h_: naw, this time it was DTE coming by to replace the meter
[18:06] <_stink_> took the day off
[18:06] <_stink_> so happen to be home
[18:06] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[18:06] <_stink_> to reset my server
[18:06] <_stink_> good stroke of luck, because i'd be pissed if i were at work and the server went out
[18:09] <_stink_> oh, and earlier was AT&T fixing my router.
[18:13] <Wolfger> r
[18:13] <Wolfger> rick_h_: right... who cares about customer happiness? ;-)
[18:13] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah, DTE replaced our meter a while ago
[18:13] <Wolfger> just stfu&c
[18:14] <snap-l> interesting watching them in action.
[18:15] <Wolfger> I have a comic in my cube. The gist of it is: Getting paid is objective #1, surviving to spend that pay is objective #2. Customer satisfaction, therefore is #3... or maybe #5.
[18:15] <snap-l> Wolfger: That's about it
[18:15] <snap-l> I loved that slogan at Ford" Quality is Job One"
[18:16] <snap-l> unfortunately, outside of the auto industry, nobody knows what Job One means
[18:17] <snap-l> it's not the first priority, it's the first car off the line.
[18:18] <Wolfger> which nobody in their right mind wants to own!
[18:18] <snap-l> a'yep
[18:18] <snap-l> Unless you're a collector, but generally speaking the ones that I've talked to want the last one off the line
[18:21] <Wolfger> "You can better car drive than I"... I loathe German grammar sometimes.
[18:21] <Wolfger> It's like talking to Yoda.
[18:22] <Blazeix> sweet, I just received my spotify invitation.
[18:22] <Blazeix> I just signed up on Wednesday; that was pretty quick
[18:24] <rick_h_> awesome
[18:35] <snap-l> Just sent this to my parents:
[18:35] <snap-l>  Superstition, half-truths and hysteria have many forwards, but the truth goes unnoticed on some website out there.  -- Martin Luther, if he had e-mail.
[18:35] <rick_h_> http://www.zurb.com/article/569/super-awesome-interactions-with-jquery-ta kind of cool video on web design stuff widox Blazeix _stink_
[18:35] <snap-l> (After they had sent this to me: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_did_fdr_promise_that_social_security_would.html)
[18:39] <Blazeix> snap-l: ooh, cool. I've been finding jquery ui kind of awkward at work, definitely going to watch that.
[18:39] <rick_h_> yea, it's not for query ui the libary, but just ui interaction design/etc
[18:42] <Blazeix> ah. they mention jquery ui in the summary, but looking over the notes it's more general stuff. still cool though
[18:42] <rick_h_> yea
[18:42] <rick_h_> jquery ui is kind of annoying
[18:42] <rick_h_> though really anything is I guess
[18:53] <Blazeix> so far I've been pretty impressed by ext.js
[18:54] <rick_h_> I got annoyed with them back when they did their relicensing bit
[18:54] <Blazeix> still trying to wrap my head around their mvc js api, though
[18:54] <rick_h_> I've not checked them out in a while
[18:54] <Blazeix> ah, what did it used to be? The free for GPL seems pretty cool
[18:54] <rick_h_> yea, I did a project for my last job when it was all open, then they did the split license and since it was commercial was kind of annoying
[18:55] <rick_h_> had to look at redoing
[18:55] <Blazeix> ugh
[18:55] <rick_h_> that and that damn infinite scroll table ugh
[19:42] <jrwren> anyone make bitcoins
[19:51] <ColonelPanic001> nein
[21:25] <snap-l> http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2011-07/blogosphere-abuzz-over-rupert-murdoch-bible-mogul
[21:25] <snap-l> Those crazy wst-Michiganders.
[22:48] <Blazeix> this is a neat plugin: http://harvesthq.github.com/chosen/
[22:49] <rick_h_> yea, was checking that out
[22:49] <rick_h_> a good select is hard to come by
[22:49] <rick_h_> but it still misses my one feature I loved from the yui2 auto complete
[22:50] <rick_h_> hitting tab should select the current completion option


[02:33] <profetik> Anyone there ?
[02:34] <profetik> If so, out of all the non coding volunteer opportunities for ubuntu , what would be the biggest need in making ubuntu better ??
[02:35] <duflu> profetik: I believe we have wiki pages answering that question.
[02:35] <duflu> Let me find it...
[02:36] <duflu> profetik:  https://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/    and   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[02:40] <profetik> Yes these are all great ways. I'm interested in opinions regarding 80/20, out of all the ways listed, what would be the most impactful.
[02:41] <profetik> To be more specific
[02:42] <profetik> What would be the most impacting aspects towards the goal of consumer adoption on phone or desktop
[02:44] <duflu> profetik: I found (when I was just a community volunteer) that herding cats (managing and deduplicating bug reports) was most useful noncoding thing I did (and still do). Because without good deduplication people experiencing a bug will fail to communicate with the people able to fix a bug
[02:45] <duflu> Eliminating duplicates and setting bugs to the correct projects. Without those, fixes don't eventuate
[02:46] <profetik> Tell me
[02:47] <profetik> If more bug are being reported. Would t that be easier to parse through ?
[02:47] <profetik> More of the same
[02:47] <profetik> I mean.
[02:47] <profetik> I think I'm missing something.
[02:49] <duflu> I mean not logging new bugs, but looking at existing bugs and ensuring they have detailed information (if not, request more from the user) and are logged in exactly the correct project (often not so the project maintainer never knows about the bug)
[02:50] <duflu> Unity8, Mir and Ubuntu in general all have the problem of bug reports getting created faster than they are resolved. So it's a serious problem
[02:50] <profetik> Ah.
[02:50] <profetik> I see thanks.
[02:50] <duflu> If the bug reports are higher quality then they are more likely to get resolved
[02:50] <profetik> Would this fall under the category of q/a?
[02:52] <duflu> No, it's just bug management
[02:55] <profetik> Ok. I guess I should be able to find YouTube vids or docs to become a master cat herder I mean bug deduplicater, yes?
[02:56] <profetik> Or would you be willing to do a hands on crash course ?
[02:56] <profetik> :
[02:56] <profetik> :D via skype or hangout
[02:56] <black_pixel> omg! NO!
[02:57] <black_pixel> let duflu code mir stuff! :D
[02:57] <profetik> Worth a shot.
[02:58] <black_pixel> profetik: you can just use unity8 and report bugs
[02:58] <black_pixel> unity8/mir/snaps
[02:59] <profetik> Black pixel would you agree that bug management is one of if not the best in giving back without coding ?
[02:59] <black_pixel> there is a unity8 session and a unity8 snap session that you can test if you like
[02:59] <profetik> Cool.  And better tested on a real install as suppose to virtual machine yes?
[02:59] <black_pixel> right
[03:00] <profetik> Been using ubuntu on and off since 2009 and now that I'm done w my MBA , looking to give back
[03:01] <black_pixel> hehe, better find something that you actually like
[03:01] <black_pixel> or you'll get tired/bored very fast
[03:01] <black_pixel> i actually like unity8/mir and i am actually using the unity8 session :d
[03:02] <black_pixel> and no i'm not crazy :D
[03:02] <black_pixel> it's quite usable
[03:02] <black_pixel> i'm using it right now on desktop
[03:03] <profetik> Nice! I remember trying it one session and it was bonkers but that was a while ago. I've been dying to get a phone w convergence. Do you use U8 on a phone too?
[03:03] <profetik> I was thinking about getting a nexus 5
[03:03] <black_pixel> phones/tablet/desktop D:
[03:04] <black_pixel> i think nexus 5 has the best ubuntu port
[03:04] <profetik> Good to know.
[03:05] <black_pixel> profetik:  https://devices.ubports.com/#/hammerhead
[03:05] <black_pixel> except for bluetooth everything seems to work
[03:05] <profetik> I wanted to buy one off eBay thinking I can find one w it preinstalled but didn't see one. I don't want to bother w unlocking and installing.
[03:05] <black_pixel> scroll down, it says how to install
[03:06] <black_pixel> looks pretty easy
[03:06] <profetik> Omg Bluetooth doesn't work? Sheesh. So you have to buy adapter and plug in USB keyboard ? Lol
[03:06] <profetik> I saw I just wanted bother w it.
[03:07] <duflu> hammerhead (while great hardware) is not supported by Canonical's own software releases (it's third party). Try mako (Nexus 4) or others mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-14
[03:07] <profetik> Part of my soul would die if marks vision of convergence didn't work.
[03:07] <profetik> I just assume the 4 was underpowered.
[03:08] <black_pixel> dufu the ports are not that bad :D my MX4 for ex feels a bit more laggy than fairphone2 with ubport
[03:08] <duflu> Actually it's still one of the best thanks to a great kernel
[03:08] <profetik> I'll take a look
[03:08] <black_pixel> mx4 ubuntu edition
[03:08] <duflu> black_pixel: Non-technical users would be safer and happier with official supported devices :)
[03:09] <black_pixel> yep :D
[03:11] <profetik> I'm in the us though.
[03:11] <black_pixel> dufu have you tried xenial on M10? https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/staging/ubuntu/frieza_arm64/
[03:12] <black_pixel> i see there are new images from the last time i briked the tablet lol
[03:12] <black_pixel> 102 should boot
[03:12] <black_pixel> and nothing after that until maybe 115
[03:12] <black_pixel> better wait for 116 to be safe
[03:12] <black_pixel> "safe"
[03:15] <duflu> black_pixel, while I own many devices, an M10 is not one of them
[03:16] <duflu> Although it would sometimes help, I'm plenty busy enough without one
[03:16] <black_pixel> i imagine :D
[19:03] <profetik> Hi testing unity 8 on mir and can't get beyond the tutorial screen "long swipe from the left edge to open the today scope"
[19:04] <profetik> I admit using ubuntu mate 16.04, and installed it from there via command line
[19:52] <mterry> profetix: what device?
[20:08] <profetix> @mterry
[20:08] <profetix> sorry for the delay
[20:08] <profetix> dell laptop
[20:08] <profetix> non-touch screen
[20:09] <profetix> inspiron n5110
[20:09] <profetix> ubuntu mate 16.04
[20:10] <profetix> kern. 4.4
[20:12] <profetix> It's this bug
[20:12] <profetix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8-preview-lxc/+bug/1526061
[20:12] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1526061 in Unity8 Desktop Preview in LXC "Can't click to "swipe from left" in unity8 tutorial" [Undecided,Expired]
[20:14] <mterry> profetix: that screen hint is only supposed to trigger if unity8 thinks it is on a tablet/phone.  :-/
[20:14] <profetix> ruh-oh
[20:15] <profetix> def not on tab.
[20:16] <profetix> And because I can't get beyond that "tutorial screen", can't report bug from within.
[20:16] <profetix> Cant call up term
[20:17] <mterry> profetix: try this to avoid the screen: gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService DemoEdgesCompleted '<["left", "left-long", "top", "right"]>'
[20:17] <mterry> Where you replace User1000 with UserXXX for your user id
[20:17] <mterry> profetix: not a great fix
[20:17] <mterry> But might let you move on
[20:31] <profetix> so where would i go to change that in my mate desktop session?
[20:36] <mterry> profetix: oh right this is inside some lxc session?  i'm not super familiar with those, but I think you can log into the lxc instance with some terminal command
[20:37] <profetix> interestingly enough, the login menu for changing to unity 8 says "Unity8-Mir" with no indication of lxc
[20:38] <profetix> would installing ubuntu 7, then trying to get into 8 help it read that it is a desktop?
[20:39] <profetix> once i log in, im greeted with another login (which confirms that it thinks its a tablet).


[12:26] <PabloRubianes> Hello
[12:26] <PabloRubianes> I'm looking for someone to help me with a post it should be in the fridge
[12:28] <PabloRubianes> join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:28] <PabloRubianes> sorry about that
[17:44]  * pleia2 works on fridge post for loco council


[01:28] <Frankie1> I just asked this in #ubuntu but it looks like I got missed.  Has anyone here used Ubuntu 10.10?  My mouse pointer disappears after about 3 seconds of inactivity.  Is there a setting for that?
[01:43] <TheMuso> I get the same thing in maverick here, haven't checked for a setting, as it doesn't bother me personally.
[01:45] <Frankie1> The only thing is tooltips disappear too fast for me to read them.
[01:45] <RAOF> It's the “unclutter” package.
[01:45] <RAOF> I'm not sure if or where there are settings for it.
[01:46] <Frankie1> Hey, that's great!
[01:46] <Frankie1> I saw that package in Scroogle searches, but I didn't know I had it.
[01:55] <TheMuso> According to the startup script for unclutter in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, it checks to see if there is /etc/default/unclutter, which is not shipped in the package by default.
[01:55] <TheMuso> ubuntu-desktop depends on it.
[01:56] <TheMuso> Looks like there is no GUI for it.
[01:56] <TheMuso> For starting/stopping, or changing settings.
[01:57] <TheMuso> Unclutter is a recommends of ubuntu-desktop, so it can be removed safely.
[02:05] <Frankie1> Oh, good.
[05:44] <pitti> Good morning
[05:54] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[05:54] <tremolux> hello pitti!
[05:54] <pitti> hey TheMuso
[05:54] <pitti> good morning tremolux, how are you?
[05:55] <tremolux> oh, I'm fine, how about you?
[05:55] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[05:55] <tremolux> :)
[06:17] <vish> Amaranth: hi , got a min to review alacarte patch?
[06:19] <vish> Amaranth: Bug #395692
[06:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 395692 in alacarte (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Drag-and-Drop behavior in the menu editor is inconsistent and confusing (affects: 3) (heat: 27)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395692
[08:32] <rickspencer3> good morning desktoppers
[08:32] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Good evening, Europeman!
[08:32] <rickspencer3> hey RAOF, how is the future? looking bright?
[08:33] <RAOF> Looking full of promising kernel SRUs.
[08:34] <rickspencer3> sweet
[08:35] <and471> does anyone know how to use a custom template file in glade-3?
[08:36] <and471> rickspencer3, I think quickly does it ^
[08:37] <rickspencer3> and471, what is a "custom template file"?
[08:37] <rickspencer3> can you tell me a bit what you're trying to do?
[08:37] <and471> rickspencer3, it is where you define custom widgets for glade, I am working on a papercut for shotwell, and it uses them and I can't remeber if you can supply an argument on the CLI to use a custom one.
[08:38] <and471> rickspencer3, I thought I reme,bered quickly doing it, so I thought i'd ask to see if I could get a quick answer ;-p
[08:39] <and471> rickspencer3, don't worry if you don't know I'll stop being lazy and go on #glade3
[08:39] <and471> :)
[08:39] <rickspencer3> and471, so you have a custom widget, and you want it to show up in Glade?
[08:40] <and471> rickspencer3, it is something that shotwell uses, I don't really know why, just need ot be able to open the glade file
[08:40] <rickspencer3> I see
[08:41] <rickspencer3> and471, look in the data/ui directory of a quickly project, you'll see the .xml files you need there for each custom widget
[08:41] <rickspencer3> then you can look at the quickly code to see the cli switches you need to load them into glade
[08:41] <and471> rickspencer3, yeah I was just wondering how quickly uses them ({as then I could copy this arg)
[08:41] <rickspencer3> in design.py
[08:41] <and471> rickspencer3, ah yes :)
[08:42] <rickspencer3> and471, here ya' go
[08:42] <rickspencer3> cmd = "GLADE_CATALOG_PATH=./data/ui glade-3 " + " ".join(files)
[08:43] <and471> rickspencer3, you rock
[08:43] <and471> rickspencer3, launchpad is being slow, thanks :D
[08:43] <rickspencer3> :)
[08:44] <and471> rickspencer3, hehe in the end, the stuff I wanted isn't in the glade file :)
[08:44] <and471> rickspencer3, oh well it is good to know for in the future
[08:45] <rickspencer3> oh well :/
[08:45] <and471> hehe
[09:12] <RAOF> Why are all the computers around me so slow all of a sudden?
[09:12] <RAOF> It's like they realise it's 6:15 on a Friday evening.
[09:14]  * mvo twiddles thumbs while waiting for LP to answer
[09:16] <and471> mvo, at least lp wasn't just slow for me
[09:18] <mvo> vish: I uploaded something that may fix bug #355355 into maverick
[09:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 355355 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Update Manager causes high Xorg CPU usage when checking for updates (affects: 9) (dups: 1) (heat: 31)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355355
[09:18] <mvo> vish: if you can reproduce the problem, then I would be very grateful if you could let me know if it fixes it or not (we can backport then)
[09:21] <mvo> and471: :)
[09:23] <and471> using svn makes me appreciate bzr...
[09:28] <and471> vish, I am working on the shotwell icons papercut
[09:30] <RAOF> and471: Install bzr-svn
[09:30] <and471> RAOF, what does it do?
[09:31] <RAOF> Allows bzr to interact with svn repositories.
[09:31] <RAOF> Essentially it turns bzr into an svn client.  But a really kick-arse svn client.
[09:31] <and471> RAOF, sounds awesome, thanks :)
[09:31] <RAOF> Similarly, bzr-git.
[09:32] <and471> RAOF, how do I run it?
[09:33] <RAOF> bzr branch svn://svn.debian.org/whatever local-whatever
[09:35] <RAOF> It basically just means you can treat an svn repository as a bzr branch.
[09:35] <and471> RAOF, ah okay
[09:47] <seb128> re
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, did apport stop to count crashes and bother you after 3 times getting the same issue?
[09:48] <pitti> seb128: "stopped counting"?
[09:48] <pitti> no, it's still doing that
[09:48] <pitti> at least, supposed to
[09:49] <pitti> it's testcase'd, too, so it ought to work
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't there
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: after the second crash, do you get a CrashCounter: in the .crash file?
[09:50] <vish> mvo: hi , I'm on Lucid now ,can i just try the maverick version on Lucid?
[09:50] <vish> and471: cool!
[09:50] <mvo> vish: I think that should work, if not I can build you a backport
[09:50] <vish> ok. on it
[09:50] <mvo> thanks!
[09:50]  * mvo hugs vish
[09:51] <vish> :)
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, yes but it's staying to 1
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, it's not raising on next crashes
[09:52] <seb128> I get rhythmbox crashing on closing in maverick
[09:53] <seb128> but I got it to crash 3 times in a row now and the counter still say 1
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, I will open a bug, thanks
[09:53] <pitti> hm, weird; let's discuss it there, right
[10:04] <and471> vish, part of the bug is removing custom icon references and replacing them with stock ones
[10:05] <and471> vish, the other part is replacing icons that need  to be custom with good looking ones :)
[10:05] <and471> vish, could you do something about that?
[10:05] <vish> and471: new icons?
[10:05] <and471> vish, yup
[10:06] <rickspencer3> does anyone know where I would find python gio reference documentation
[10:06] <rickspencer3> ?
[10:06] <and471> rickspencer3, google python gobject reference
[10:06] <vish> and471: not sure , already this is turning out to be a handful :( and i have other TODO witing as well.. not really sure , but i can try at some point :)
[10:06] <vish> waiting*
[10:06] <and471> vish, sure it is not urgent
[10:06] <seb128> rickspencer3, /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/pygobject
[10:07] <and471> rickspencer3, it should be on that page (strangely enough I was looking for it yesterday)
[10:07] <seb128> rickspencer3, /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/pygobject/index.html
[10:07] <vish> and471: for now just replace them and we can add new icons later whenever that is ;)
[10:07] <seb128> rickspencer3, "PyGio Class Reference" there
[10:07] <and471> vish, sure, they are not THAT bad, but, not great either
[10:08] <vish> and471: hehe , they are actually ours too , from breathe ;p
[10:08] <and471> vish, when you do have time, they are redeye, enhance (like a magic wand), crop and adjust (colour bars)
[10:08] <and471> vish, oh :D
[10:16] <seb128> pitti, bug #603503, not sure what informations would be useful though
[10:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603503 in apport (Ubuntu) "doesn't increment the CrashCount over 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603503
[10:19] <pitti> seb128: thanks; I'm upgrading my maverick netbook now
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: in the meantime, could you clean /var/crash/ and run /usr/share/apport/testsuite/run ?
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: please paste the failures to the bug report
[10:20] <seb128> pitti, ok
[10:22] <seb128> pitti, done
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: hm, do you actually have apport enabled?
[10:23] <seb128> pitti, I guess so, I get it poping on screen every half an hour for a week
[10:24] <seb128> $ grep enabled /etc/default/apport
[10:24] <seb128> enabled=1
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: ah, and please attach /var/log/apport.log after your gconf-editor test
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: ok, seems it's getting confused somewhere then; I'll test on my mini once it's done upgrading, and stare on the code
[10:24] <seb128> apport (pid 11127) Fri Jul  9 11:18:29 2010: executable: /usr/bin/gconf-editor (command line "gconf-editor")
[10:24] <seb128> apport (pid 11127) Fri Jul  9 11:18:29 2010: this executable already crashed 2 times, ignoring
[10:24] <pitti> right, that's expected
[10:24] <pitti> first crash -> no crashcounter
[10:24] <pitti> second crash -> counter: 1
[10:25] <pitti> third and further crashes -> ignored
[10:25] <seb128> right, but it displays display the "gconf-editor crashed" dialog
[10:25] <pitti> yep, that's the bug part of it
[10:25] <seb128> ok
[10:25] <pitti> perhaps the new kernel changed something with mtime/atime
[10:26] <seb128> it's not new from today
[10:26] <pitti> but the test case failures are weird
[10:26] <seb128> I have the issue since start of the week
[10:26] <kiwinote> mvo: hi!
[10:26] <kiwinote> mvo: I'm looking at ubufox code atm because it uses apturl to install plugins, but have two queries..
[10:26] <kiwinote> mvo: atm apturl sends a signal on exit with the state of installation (ie installed, aborted, error, etc). Is the correct thing to do here to adapt ubufox not to care about the status?
[10:26] <kiwinote> mvo: also ubufox sends apturl an http-proxy argument. Is this something that s-c deals with anyway without the argument, or do I need to look into how this works and allow s-c to deal with this?
[10:26] <seb128> ie since apport is running again
[10:28] <mvo> kiwinote: hello! the proxy should be picked up automatically, however if firefox <-> gnome-proxy-settings disagree then having the proxy is a good idea I think
[10:28] <mvo> kiwinote: its a corner case though I think
[10:31] <kiwinote> mvo: thanks, so that means that apt (via s-c) should use the firefox proxy settings when available, rather than it's own proxy settings?
[10:31] <mvo> kiwinote: I think firefox should use the gnome proxy settings IMO its a bug that it has its own :)
[10:31] <kiwinote> mvo: ok ;)
[10:32] <mvo> kiwinote: as the signal, you mean that it uses the exit codes to communicate if the install was successful or not?
[10:32] <kiwinote> mvo: yep
[10:33] <mvo> kiwinote: I think we need to support this
[10:34] <mvo> kiwinote: one way (if s-c is already running) is to make apturl-gtk just send the right dbus signals to the SoftwareCenterDbus controller and collect the status. when all is finished, that bit can exit, while the main s-c can keep running
[10:34] <kiwinote> mvo: via exit codes, or something else?
[10:34] <mvo> kiwinote: what do you have in mind? we could use dbus, but then we need to port the apturl-kde to that schema
[10:35] <mvo> (make ubufox use dbus instead of spawning a process)
[10:38] <kiwinote> mvo: I wasn't really sure. Exit codes on s-c itself won't really work as people probably won't close s-c straight away (and firefox is not usable in the meantime). If we don't have apturl-gtk installed (which we shouldn't need to), then we can't use that either..
[10:39] <kiwinote> mvo: so then getting ubufox to use dbus sounds the most reasonable solution (be it that I would need to look into dbus and js ;) )
[10:40] <kiwinote> mvo: or we  don't return a state, and get s-c to prompt to restart the browser after installing certain packages?
[10:41] <mvo> kiwinote: well, if apturl-gtk is just a thin wrapper that calls a SoftwareCenterDbus thing and collects the status, then we can use exit codes. this app would exit, s-c itself would keep running
[10:41] <vish> mvo: tried synaptic 0.63.1ubuntu10 , but no luck :s  , its the same cpu usage as with the lucid version
[10:41] <kiwinote> mvo: yeah, suppose so
[10:45] <mvo> vish: thanks a bunch, its actually https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/0.63.1ubuntu11 (ubuntu11) that has the changes
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: I get the three "no such file or dir" errors as well on maverick
[10:45] <mvo> vish: what architecture do you have? I can send you direct links, its build for amd64 and i386
[10:46] <vish> mvo: yeah , i was wondering , where the new version was :D
[10:46] <vish> i386
[10:46] <seb128> pitti, ok, "nice" I guess ;-)
[10:46] <seb128> pitti, i.e easier to debug for you
[10:46] <pitti> seb128: just to fix the title, the real bug is that apport pops up for repeated bugs, right?
[10:47] <vish> mvo: no worries , got the deb for 11
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, yes
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, I wrongly assumed that the count limit was 3 and that the issue was the counter not incrementing to it
[10:47] <seb128> not sure why I though it was 3 though
[10:47] <mvo> vish: thanks! looking forward for new results
[10:48] <pitti> it starts from 0
[10:48]  * pitti hugs mvo because it's Friday and sunny
[10:48]  * seb128 hugs mvo just because mvo rocks
[10:49]  * pitti hugs vish as well
[10:49] <vish> aernt we all lovey dowey today :D
[10:49] <mvo> woah! flash-hug
[10:49]  * mvo hugs pitti and seb128 and dholbach and vish and kiwinote
[10:50] <seb128> mvo, no dholbach there :-(
[10:50] <seb128> he only joins us when he has desktop issues nowadays :p
[10:50] <mvo> seb128: ha! I just went to #ubuntu-devel to hug him :)
[10:50] <mvo> he can not escape!
[10:51] <seb128> ;-)
[10:54] <pitti> seb128: hm, I have u-n running (UNE), but it's not popping up at all
[10:54] <seb128> do you have apport enable?
[10:55] <pitti> yes, it's writing reports and logging properly
[10:56] <seb128> I guess run u-n --debug...
[10:57] <mvo> if someone could sync bug #603512 for me, that would be cool
[10:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603512 in gtest (Ubuntu) "Sync gtest 1.5.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603512
[10:57] <pitti> seb128: will do
[10:57] <seb128> mvo, doing it
[10:57] <mvo> thanks seb128
[10:57] <pitti> seb128: in the meantime, I followed up with some questions
[10:57] <mvo> update-notifier?
[10:58] <seb128> mvo, done
[10:58] <pitti> seb128: oh, *cough* -- just a focus failure of unity
[10:58] <seb128> mvo, pitti doesn't get apport dialogs showing up
[10:59] <seb128> lol
[10:59]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[10:59] <mvo> aha!
[10:59] <pitti> itz not mvo bug, itz didrocks bug
[10:59] <mvo> :)
[10:59] <seb128> the "claim for attention" is sometime buggy
[10:59] <pitti> you don't notice at all that there's a new window
[10:59] <seb128> I've opened a bug about that a week ago
[10:59] <seb128> well it should be moving in the launcher
[10:59] <seb128> it works in some cases
[10:59] <seb128> but it's often broken
[11:03] <pitti> seb128: followed up again; I can't reproduce, so let's take a look at your stat output
[11:03] <pitti> I'll have some lunch and check out the test case failures after that
[11:04] <pitti>   * debian/rules: don't break build on the testsuite it has issues on buildds
[11:04] <pitti> :-(
[11:04] <pitti> it worked before?
[11:04] <seb128> not really
[11:04] <seb128> the new gdbus testcases seem to not like the buildds
[11:04] <vish> mvo: for synaptic ubuntu11 , i had to new install libept1 , while i have libept0 as well , should libept0 be removed?
[11:05] <seb128> pitti, it seems gdbus can't connect to the bus on the buildds for some reason
[11:05] <seb128> pitti, it's a workaround for now, we need the new version to build and I've no time to debug buildds
[11:05] <seb128> pitti, the testsuite works on local builds
[11:05] <pitti> fun that it works on armel
[11:06] <pitti> ok
[11:06] <mvo> vish: yes, it should appear in the autoremove list once aptitude is updated for libept1
[11:06]  * pitti &
[11:06] <seb128> indeed
[11:06] <seb128> pitti, enjoy
[11:06] <mvo> vish: for now you can just keep both, that should be fine
[11:07] <vish> mvo: yeah , i tried with that , but still no luck. :(  the same cpu usage... thats why i was wondering if it was the problem.
[11:08] <mvo> vish: hrm, hrm. thanks! that is odd. it happens on "reload", righ?
[11:08] <vish> mvo: yeah. only during reloads
[11:11] <OwaisL> hey, I'm working on this gmail notifier with support for multiple accounts.
[11:11] <OwaisL> I am facing a problem
[11:11] <OwaisL> I'm opening Gmail in the browser using python's webbrowser module
[11:11] <OwaisL> BUT
[11:12] <OwaisL> and gmail logs in the user automatically based on previous/current session
[11:12] <OwaisL> desired behavior is that Gmail for the notified account should open
[11:13] <OwaisL> so i need a way to logout of gmail, then login to the desired account all inside the browser
[11:13] <OwaisL> any ideas?
[11:13] <seb128> OwaisL, hi, you seem to have made a mistake in the channel
[11:14] <seb128> this channel is about organizing work on the ubuntu-desktop builds
[11:14] <OwaisL> oh
[11:14] <seb128> try #ubuntu-bugs for bugs
[11:14] <mvo> thanks vish i debug further
[11:14] <seb128> or #ubuntu for user questions
[11:15] <OwaisL> join #ubuntu-bugs
[11:15] <vish> mvo: thanks
[11:15] <OwaisL> oops
[11:15] <OwaisL> thanks
[11:22] <mvo> vish: silly me, I think I nailed it down, expect a new upload shortly
[11:22] <mvo> vish: but lunch first
[11:22] <vish> cool!
[11:44] <pitti> seb128: *sigh* heisenbug :-( I'll still look at the test case failuires, though
[11:44] <seb128> pitti, yeah, sorry about that, it was doing it for a week and now it stopped
[11:48] <seb128>  Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:48] <seb128>    File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/aptdaemon/gtkwidgets.py", line 508, in _on_download_changed
[11:48] <seb128>      iter = model.append((text, progress, uri))
[11:48] <seb128>  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'append'
[11:48] <seb128> mvo, ^ known issue?
[11:57] <pitti> seb128: ah, itz kees bug
[11:57] <pitti> seb128: test suite can't core dump due to ptrace protection :-(
[12:02] <mvo> seb128: not a known issue, is that reproducable?
[12:16] <mvo> vish: I uploaded yet another version (ubuntu12), once that is build, could you give it a try?
[12:16] <vish> mvo: sure , thanks.
[12:20] <pitti> seb128: test suite problem in maverick fixed in apport's trunk, FYI (rewired the test code to get along with ptrace restrictions)
[12:25] <seb128> pitti, re, sorry I was getting something to eat
[12:25] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[12:25] <seb128> mvo, not easily but that's not the first time I get it
[12:26] <seb128> mvo, I did click on "installing updates", entered my password switched to something else and did esc when the "installing update" dialog was displayed
[12:26] <seb128> mvo, seems there is a race, you can manage to get update-manager in a "waiting" state but with nothing happening
[12:28] <mvo> seb128: that is really a bit odd, model should always be != None
[12:29] <mvo> seb128: let me try that
[12:30] <seb128> mvo, I've the feeling it's a race and you will not easily get it
[12:30] <seb128> mvo, oh in fact it's trivial to get
[12:31] <seb128> mvo, click on "update", enter your password and do "esc, esc, esc"
[12:31] <seb128> ie keep hitting it until the dialg comes and is dismissed
[12:31] <seb128> then apport triggers
[12:31] <seb128> update-manager gets stucked in a busy state
[12:31] <seb128> and you get a zillion apport crash report
[12:32] <mvo> seb128: about the None has no attribute … issue?
[12:32] <mvo> seb128: or about something else?
[12:32] <seb128> pitti, ^ I got 6 extra "apport crash dialogs" about it
[12:32] <mvo> ha!
[12:32] <mvo> have it
[12:32] <seb128> mvo, it gives the stacktrace I gave you
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, oh!
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, ok, I was wrong with my bug
[12:33] <seb128> I didn't actually got the issue with gconf-editor there
[12:33] <seb128> I just use that one to grep for the counter value
[12:34] <seb128> pitti, the counter seems to not work on python exception issues
[12:34] <pitti> aah
[12:35] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I can reproduce, fixing now
[12:35] <seb128> mvo, it did install the updates!
[12:35] <seb128> mvo, ie it didn't take my cancel
[12:35] <seb128> I restarted update-manager now and I've no update listed
[12:36] <seb128> mvo, thanks ;-)
[12:36] <pitti> seb128: ok, please reopen the bug then
[12:37] <seb128> pitti, done
[12:38] <seb128> urg
[12:39] <seb128> mvo, did you change update-manager to not display the names of updates on purpose or that's a bug?
[12:39] <seb128> oh
[12:39] <seb128> it's there ignore me
[12:39] <seb128> it's confusing to have the title first and the package name behind ;-)
[12:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson: hey
[12:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson: shouldn't you be in a swap day rather than updating firefox today? ;-)
[12:52] <mvo> seb128: aptdaemon issue is fixed in bzr
[12:52] <seb128> mvo, you rock, thanks!
[13:14] <joaopinto> mvo, hi, is there a plan to have apturl integrated with aptdaemon ?
[13:17] <pitti> have a good weekend everyone, see you all on Monday! need to leave early today
[13:21] <mvo> joaopinto: yes
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, have fun!
[13:55] <mvo> kiwinote: I fixed the enable component problem you mentioned yesterday in aptdaemon
[13:55] <kiwinote> mvo: thanks!
[14:45] <kenvandine> seb128, i uploaded gwibber to lucid-proposed, waiting to be approved
[14:45] <seb128> kenvandine, I've noticed you fb post, nice
[14:45] <seb128> it will wait monday I guess
[14:45] <kenvandine> ok
[14:45] <seb128> we need pitti and he called it a week earlier
[14:46] <kenvandine> ok, thx
[14:46] <seb128> or trying asking cjwatson if you want
[15:24] <desrt> seb128: hey?
[15:24] <desrt> seb128: what's the story of this gconf package conflict?
[15:24] <seb128> desrt, hello
[15:24] <seb128> desrt, what conflicts?
[15:25] <desrt> there's a package conflict on my system that's preventing gconf from being installed
[15:25] <seb128> details?
[15:25] <desrt> something about some .gir file conflicting with the same file in another package
[15:25] <desrt> well
[15:25] <desrt> thing is, i rebooted with my system in that conflicted state
[15:25] <desrt> so uh... heh
[15:25] <desrt> :X
[15:25] <seb128> sudo apt-get -f install
[15:25] <seb128> oh
[15:25] <seb128> you mean it broke the install in middle in a broken state?
[15:26] <desrt> maybe?
[15:26] <desrt> i tried to do the -f install thing
[15:26] <desrt> or at least the update manager tried on my behalf
[15:26] <desrt> that fixed most things, i think, but somthing is still toasted
[15:26] <seb128> well
[15:26] <seb128> having the package names would help
[15:26] <seb128> or the file conflicting
[15:26] <desrt> i just realised that it's possible that this is caused by the gnome-shell PPA
[15:26] <seb128> those should be in logged in /var/log/apt
[15:27] <desrt> which i t
[15:27] <desrt> hink that i have installed
[15:27] <seb128> it's likely yes
[15:27] <desrt> i forgot about that
[15:27] <seb128> I don't recommend anybody to use it right now
[15:27] <desrt> heh
[15:27] <seb128> with the gir abi change
[15:27] <desrt> is that the canonical company position? :)
[15:27] <desrt> "don't use gnome shell!"
[15:27] <seb128> ;-)
[15:28] <seb128> don't use rebuild of tons of system libs from a ppa
[15:28] <seb128> rather
[15:28] <seb128> the guys having the ppa has been taking the new gir abi
[15:28] <seb128> so he's basically doing packaging changes to everything building a gir
[15:28] <seb128> I'm not really surprised it creates issues
[15:29] <desrt> ya... almost certainly the blame lies there, then
[15:29] <desrt> PPAs are a bit scary in a way
[15:29] <desrt> you install them for some small purpose
[15:29] <seb128> but yeah, all those transitions make updating g-s challenging now
[15:29] <Sarvatt> i think you just summed up xorg-edgers to a tee there seb128 :)
[15:29] <desrt> and they have the ability to take over your entire system as the guy who built it increases the number of packages in there
[15:30] <jcastro> when you remove it doing "sudo apt-get install packagename/lucid" will get you back to the level you're supposed to be at
[15:30] <jcastro> or /maverick or whatever
[15:30] <seb128> especially that walters and jdhalin said the abi and typelib will break
[15:30] <desrt> in my case i didn't even realise what was going on until i considered how unlikely it was that ubuntu substantially changed the packaging mid-release
[15:30] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppaname
[15:30] <Sarvatt> :)
[15:30] <desrt> seb128: walters is talking about switching the typelib to be the same file format as dconf :p
[15:30] <seb128> lol
[15:30] <jcastro> do we put ppa purge somewhere common or is it still in the Xorg PPAs?
[15:30] <seb128> well we will not transition until the abi changes settle
[15:30] <desrt> it's a good file format, dude!
[15:31] <seb128> no discussion ;-)
[15:31] <seb128> I'm just saying Debian and Ubuntu agree to wait a bit
[15:31] <seb128> but it means we can't get new g-s builds easily
[15:31] <seb128> since they depends on those changes
[15:31] <Sarvatt> i think he copied it to the gnome-shell ppa if its ricotz's one
[15:31] <seb128> so the ppa has to divert a lot
[15:31] <seb128> Sarvatt, he's the one doing the g-s builds yes
[15:32] <Sarvatt> yeah ppa-purge is in there
[15:32] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppa:ricotz/testing then :)
[15:35] <Sarvatt> a lot easier and safer to just jhbuild gnome-shell for now
[16:02] <vish> mvo: w0000000t!!!!! it works ubuntu12 no constant cpu spike  ...  :D
[16:02] <mvo> vish: \o/
[16:02] <vish> the https alone has a spike but that drops in a couple of secs
[16:02] <mvo> vish: thanks a million for testing that
[16:02] <vish> mvo: np. thank *you* :)
[16:03] <mvo> vish: please keep using it, if you see no regressions over the weekend I think we should try to get it into lucid-proposed
[16:03] <vish> mvo: sure. will keep an eye out .
[16:04] <mvo> great, tahnks vish
[16:05] <vish> np.
[16:16] <and471> vish, how is this? :D (more tango than humanity style) http://imagebin.ca/img/YqT84wY.png
[16:18] <vish> and471: looks good. humanity is tango with a different palette and a few minor variations , this should fit well.. btw which icon is it for?
[16:19] <and471> vish, if you are asking that question, I think I have failed
[16:19] <and471> ...
[16:19] <and471> vish, :D
[16:19] <and471> vish, it is for adjusting hue saturationa and brightness (I think)
[16:19] <kenvandine> and471, that gnome color thing?
[16:19] <vish> and471: nah , it looks like some adjust .. i dont remember all the items in shotwell :)
[16:19] <vish> and471: see:)
[16:19] <kenvandine> ah
[16:19] <kenvandine> for shotwell :)
[16:20] <and471> kenvandine, yup yup :)
[16:20] <and471> vish, I think the papercut needs to be split in two
[16:20] <and471> vish, 1) use stanard stock icons for those that are applicable
[16:20] <and471> *standard
[16:20] <vish> and471: feel free to split it..
[16:21] <and471> vish, 2) make the icons that have to be shipped with shotwell better (and generic tango style)
[16:21] <and471> vish, merci beaucoup
[16:22] <and471> does anyone know if shotwell has an irc channel?
[16:25] <jcastro> and471: "yorba-jim" stops by in this channel on occassion
[16:25] <and471> jcastro, thanks
[16:28]  * and471 just used the new Opinion status on launchpad
[16:31] <LaserJock> is that supposed to be a "terminal" status?
[16:31] <and471> LaserJock, :)
[16:32] <LaserJock> to me it sounds like an Importance status like a bit below "Wishlist"
[16:56] <vish> and471: where is the preferences in shotwell? are you on Maverick?
[16:57] <vish> i cant seem to find it in Lucid.. :s
[16:57] <and471> vish, should be edit> preferences, I am on the svn version though
[16:57] <and471> is this the bug I filed?
[16:57] <vish> yeah
[16:58] <vish> and471: cool , probably not in lucid
[16:58] <vish> no prefs of any kind
[16:59] <and471> vish, don't worry about that bug, it is set to opinion, so unless anyone has an opinion on it, it is wont fix upstream
[16:59] <and471> vish, yeah must just be in SVN, you want a screenshot?
[17:00] <vish> and471: np.. i was just confused :)
[17:14] <kiwinote> mvo: warnings and errors should now be handled nicely by appdetailsview-gtk
[17:14] <kiwinote> mvo: enjoy your weekend!


[19:31] <pleia2> nhaines, ianorlin: btw, I'm going to be in-transit during our meeting on Sunday, so I won't be able to attend
[23:38] <ianorlin> pleia2: thanks for the heads up