[21:54] <genii> eugen: You have ntp installed, and a tick (time server) specified?
[21:54] <krishna> but wiht problems screen is working with much deelay..
[21:55] <alexismedina> t
[21:55] <eugen> I did, and it just says that it can't connect to them..
[21:56] <genii> eugen: Try a different time server then. Thats the most likely thing, if your internet works fine otherwise
[21:56] <eugen> well..internet is very slow actually..
[21:57] <eugen> genii: I did a bandwidth test, and its very close to dialup...although I'm at school using thier broadband connection...
[21:58] <eugen> genii: you think there is something wrong with kubuntu? the internet was going pretty fast when I had vista a few days ago...
[21:58] <genii> eugen: It's conceivable they have well-known services blocked at the router there
[21:58] <eugen> genii: well even general surfing the net goes slow...
[21:59] <genii> eugen:command: top                         should tell if your box is spending undue amounts of resources on something. Firefox sometimes bogs everything when multiple flsh content in multiple tabs
[22:00] <Dragnslcr> eugen- I've had the same problem. No idea what causes it
[22:01] <eugen> well, I did a fresh install of kubuntu, I didn't have firefox..
[22:01] <eugen> genii: I installed firefox eventually, but took about 15 min to download
[22:01] <genii> OK so it started way before then
[22:02] <genii> eugen: ifconfig show any collisions for any interfaces?
[22:03] <genii> I gotta go for a bit, back in 45mins/hour
[22:04] <eugen> by collisions you mean like dropped packets?
[22:04] <eugen> oh. no collisions or dropped for any interface..
[22:07] <Dragnslcr> eugen- looks like it's because System Settings doesn't realize that it needs root privileges to turn on NTP
[22:07] <Dragnslcr> eugen- you should be able to do "kdesudo systemsettings" to set it
[22:08] <eugen> ok i'm in system systtings
[22:08] <eugen> what do I need to set...
[22:10] <Dragnslcr> It's in Date & Time
[22:10] <krishna> could someone help me with my screen...and kde
[22:11] <Dragnslcr> Same place as it is when you run System Settings normally
[22:13] <BluesKaj> howdy
[22:20] <sunshine> I'm trying to get all users to use the same wine config. I linked to /home/public/.wine in every home directory and -R 777ed. but get "wine: /home/user23/.wine is not owned by you" (for all users)
[22:20] <krishna> thx for help -,-
[22:30] <krishna> what i can change in kde to delete delay for screen
[22:31] <eugen> how do you install compiz in kubuntu?
[22:32] <eugen> from the software repo?
[22:32] <krishna> from compiz
[22:33] <krishna> now is updating bu i dont know that i make good because i dont know that next time will or not start with system
[22:38] <krishna> jest ktos kto mowi w tym jezyku i moglby pomoc?:/
[22:56] <Carrie_> ugh.. anyone here use Konversation?  Is there a shortcut keystroke to toggle between channels? :P
[22:57] <jamesjedimaster> Carrie_: ctrl+. and ctrl+,
[22:58] <Carrie_> thanks =D
[22:59] <jamesjedimaster> anytime
[23:02] <eugen> hey, how do I start programs as root? (su or sudo)?
[23:02] <jamesjedimaster> sudo
[23:03] <peterhil> kdesudo with graphical programs
[23:04] <eugen> do I need to do that from the terminal?
[23:04] <pulc> ciao a tutti
[23:05] <jamesjedimaster> yes eugen
[23:08] <ranchj> ciao
[23:09] <calamari> is there some kind of fsck type program for microsfot word documents?
[23:10] <eugen_> is there a place in kubuntu to see network traffic, or speeds, going between my comp and the access point?
[23:12] <eugen_> ok there is something seriously wrong with this....
[23:12] <eugen_> i'm trying to install flash, and it downloads at around 800 b/s...
[23:12] <eugen_> i'm on a school network, and I know its faster than that...
[23:14] <eugen_> what could be the problem?
[23:14] <A_mac> i get this message when trying to update  packages ------>>> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.   what do i do ???
[23:15] <jamesjedimaster> perhaps others students are watching videos at youtube, downloading iso's
[23:15] <jamesjedimaster> A_mac: do what the message says: dpkg --configue -a
[23:15] <A_mac> i did it came up with another message
[23:16] <A_mac> ill do it agin and copy it
[23:17] <A_mac> requested operation requires superuser privilege
[23:17] <_jabba> shuttin down the vm. cheers all.
[23:18] <jamesjedimaster> A_mac: sudo dpkg --configue -a
[23:20] <A_mac> You have 1 broken package on your system!
[23:20] <A_mac> Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[23:21] <eugen_> I keep getting error when I try to install deb...why so?
[23:21] <A_mac> do i mark for complete removel ?
[23:21] <A_mac> then reinstall it again ?
[23:22] <A_mac> or is their a better p2p for linux ubuntu
[23:22] <A_mac> i was trying to install limewire for linux
[23:22] <bondo689> my prob: shmconfig -- I created a file "shmconfig.fdi" in /etc/hal/policy which allowed me to use gsynaptics to configure my touchpad, then later I made changes to the "11-x11-synaptics.fdi in /usr/shared/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty which made default changes to my touchpad config, now I cannot enable shared memory-- any ideas?
[23:22] <jamesjedimaster> A_mac: it's better to uninstall and install again
[23:22] <A_mac> is thier something better
[23:23] <A_mac> ok cool
[23:25] <peppe__> à
[23:25] <eugen_> how to I make the clock show the time in 12 hour format?
[23:25] <peppe__> italian?
[23:26] <jamesjedimaster> !it | peppe__
[23:28] <bondo689> hmm...
[23:28] <A_mac> that worked great thanks very much
[23:28] <A_mac> system is back up and running
[23:29] <A_mac> now i can finish my ircd
[23:29] <jamesjedimaster> eugen_: system settings -> regional & language
[23:29] <A_mac> thnaks again  jammesdimaster
[23:29] <jamesjedimaster> anytime
[23:32] <aron> f
[23:32] <aron> g /help
[23:32] <aron> sorry
[23:32] <eugen> how do I install stuff in kubuntu? deb? or rpm?
[23:37] <aron> eugen on Kubuntu 8.10 you can install deb, you can run it after you download from the net.
[23:37] <A_mac> what is the best linux version to run that will see my wifi system ?
[23:37] <jamesjedimaster> eugen: with adept (package manager), kubuntu is derivative from debian
[23:37] <A_mac> none see it
[23:38] <A_mac> ive tried pc linux 2007 and ubuntu 8.04
[23:38] <eugen> aron: thats what I did, but KPackageKit fails with error: "Sorry, an error has occured". and closes
[23:38] <A_mac> and linux xp
[23:38] <A_mac> that really sux
[23:38] <jamesjedimaster> A_mac: try a livecd of kubuntu 8.10 or opensuse
[23:38] <eugen> some people say I need to install things as root?
[23:38] <A_mac> oh kool
[23:38] <A_mac> ok
[23:39] <A_mac> ill get it now
[23:39] <A_mac> thnx
[23:39] <jamesjedimaster> or google your wireless card if it is supported
[23:39] <A_mac> i use a linksys card
[23:44] <eugen> how do I install deb pakages from terminal?
[23:44] <jason_froebe> eugen - sudo dpkg -i <package file>
[23:47] <eugen> thx
[23:48] <eugen> hey, I'm on school network, and the internet works good, but anytime I do apt-get install, or try to install stuff from the repositories, the download speed is just a few bytes... is the school blocking traffic on those prototols? does the update use a special port or protocol?
[23:54] <A_mac> i did this line command stuff back when i had my 8088 with a big whooping 200meg hard drive .... that was over 20 yrs ago man.. i for got dos commands.... i dont remeber that decad
[23:54] <A_mac> too much weed i guess
[23:54] <A_mac> lol
[23:54] <A_mac> back in the 5 1/4 drive days
[23:56] <A_mac> im to old for this crap
[23:56] <A_mac> why did i try to start a ircd
[23:56] <A_mac> oh man
[23:58] <jason_froebe> 8088 would be a 5mb hd :-)  I remember those days well
[23:58] <siachris> Hello everyone.  I have a problem and am hoping you can help me.  I am running ubuntu 8.10 and i'm trying to set up a virtual machine of XP home.  I have xp home installed on virtualbox ose 2.0.4.  I am having a major issue with trying to share folders from my ubuntu home folder and access it through my xp virtual machine.
[23:58] <A_mac> oh no
[23:58] <jason_froebe> but natagia's off topic
[23:59] <A_mac> i still have that 8088 running here
[23:59] <A_mac> i use it to run my ham radio bbs station


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[11:13] <tcr> If you have a post-start script which is blocking (e.g. polling for a non-existing resource), and you stop the job when it's in "start/post-start" (with two processes associated to it, the main process, and the post-start process), the job will change into "stop/post-start" with *both* processes still running.
[11:13] <tcr> Similar with a pre-start script.
[11:14] <tcr> I find this behaviour surprising. I'd have expected the post-start process along the main process to get killed in this situation.
[11:14] <tcr> (Upstart 0.6.5)
[11:34] <tcr> I wonder if there's a detailed state diagram somewhere, along the lines of the one http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobStates but that has its edges labelled with the conditions to trigger that particular state transition


[09:03] <AndChat440561> Dear ubuntu documentation team
[09:03] <AndChat440561> Currently i am working on documentation translation, inprogress 12%
[09:04] <AndChat440561> I am using multiple devices to translate it, from home and office
[09:06] <AndChat440561> Using ubuntu at home, and windows at office. Is it okay edit .po files by multiple program? Gtranslator and poedit.
[09:07] <AndChat440561> Because when i am using poedit, bazaar explorer detect additional files to add. Should I add it?


[00:16] <cjwatson> ScottK: done
[01:37] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[05:23] <un214> what would it take to bring back sysvinit?
[06:02] <joshmuffin> can anyone help me, im using ubuntu 10.04 and I compiled gnome-shell from source, when i gnome-shell --replace it flickers and is unusable for about 30secs before it crashes, terminal output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/456343/
[06:03] <joshmuffin> Think its a problem with my ati graphics card
[06:10] <iulian> joshmuffin: Please see /topic.
[06:21]  * achiang wonders if anyone's ever tried building gir1.0-atk-1.0
[06:22] <TheMuso> achiang: Thats not a package...
[06:23] <achiang> TheMuso: oh, i suppose atk1.0 is the actual package
[06:23] <TheMuso> achiang: Yes.
[06:23] <achiang> maybe that's where i'm going wrong
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <TheMuso> 8/c
[08:49] <pitti> Good morning
[08:50] <sebner> huhu pitti :)
[09:19] <slangasek> dholbach: there's a merge of cryptsetup staged already in the bzr branch listed in vcs-bzr... :)
[09:20] <dholbach> slangasek: sorry, I didn't check that
[09:20] <slangasek> no worries
[09:43] <dholbach> apachelogger, seb128, slangasek, dpm, Riddell, Laney, nigelb, jcastro, beuno_, warp10: can you please go and check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep and see if you're happy with your session title/description and update it if necessary?
[09:43] <seb128> oh right, doh
[09:44] <nigelb> interesting response :p
[09:44] <seb128> I still don't know what I want to talk about there
[09:44] <warp10> dholbach: yeah, perfect description :)
[09:44] <dholbach> warp10: great, thanks
[09:44] <dpm> dholbach, mine looks great, thanks!
[09:44] <nigelb> dholbach: mine looks great too :)
[09:45] <dholbach> thanks nigelb and dpm
[09:45] <nigelb> seb128: perhaps on "how to help desktop team" or "how to be a desktop developer"?
[09:45] <dholbach> this UDW will kick arse!
[09:49] <asac> directhex: i asked slangasek and his crew to take a look. i dont get why you say that ubuntu patches broke debian though
[09:50] <directhex> asac, i can't build 2.6.3-2, which includes the ubuntu patches, on the debian porterbox. but as i've stressed, access to hardware makes this whole thing immensely difficult to coordinate
[09:52] <asac> directhex: what ubuntu patches are in there?
[09:53] <directhex> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian/patches/arm_cpuinfo_parsing, http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian/patches/arm_thumb2_support and http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian/patches/armel_fix_configure_fpu_check
[09:56] <dholbach> seb128: I'll update it in the timetable too
[09:56] <dholbach> seb128: oh, you're still editing
[09:56] <seb128> dholbach, commited, is the current description ok?
[09:57] <dholbach> seb128: looks great
[09:57] <dholbach> seb128: shall I got and update in the timetable?
[09:57] <seb128> dholbach, could you change the "is work on" to "is working on"
[09:57] <seb128> dholbach, while you edit
[09:57] <seb128> dholbach, yes please, thanks
[09:57] <seb128> sorry I forgot about this one
[09:58] <dholbach> seb128: fixed
[09:58] <seb128> dholbach, danke
[09:58] <dholbach> de rien mon ami
[10:00] <dholbach> didrocks: can you please go and check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep and see if you're happy with your session title/description and update it if necessary?
[10:00] <didrocks> dholbach: I'm happy about it, that's why I didn't shout at your email ;) danke!
[10:01] <dholbach> didrocks: great, thanks
[10:01] <directhex> asac, i don't know if 2.6.3-2 builds on an ubuntu ARM box - this is impossible for me to test. i know 2.6.3 upstream, without any arm-related patches, builds on debian
[10:21] <Laney> directhex: #ubuntu-arm is probably a good place to find people
[10:21] <Laney> (think that's right)
[10:22] <directhex> Laney, good place to ask questions, not such a good place for receiving replies
[10:22] <Laney> I thought that was The Place for Arm Related Stuff
[11:33] <pitti> Riddell: any idea why koffice wants to go to universe?
[11:36]  * Riddell checks
[11:41] <Riddell> pitti: fixed in seeds
[11:41] <pitti> Riddell: thanks
[11:41] <pitti> I cleaned up component-mismatches a bit, which should reduce http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html
[11:42] <pitti> but this will require some more iterations
[12:31] <bdrung> sbeattie: ping
[12:49] <Kano> hi, why is maverick still not hybrid?
[12:50] <Kano> look at suse, they patched syslinux and you just need to update it
[12:51] <Kano> i even wrote a launchpad bug last year about it
[12:52] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/524803
[12:55] <cjwatson> Kano: it's on my list and will happen
[12:56] <Kano> cjwatson: cant wait for it... i have got a script for your kind of iso images but i prefer hybrid ones
[12:56] <Kano> with hybrid mode the script does not need to be root
[13:01] <zul> can i get someone from the foundations team to review the upstart script in bug #574554 please?
[13:02] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ^- would you have time to review the tgt bug above?
[13:03] <cjwatson> I looked at it but was not sufficiently sure of the semantics of 'start on (filesystem and net-device-up IFACE=lo)' to comment
[13:03] <Keybuk> it'll block lo from coming up until the filesystem does
[13:03] <cjwatson> zul: this is by no means a complete review, but you're missing 'runlevel' after 'stop on'
[13:03] <zul> cjwatson: thanks
[13:04] <Keybuk> which will have an interesting repercussion for the rc-sysinit/rc scripts
[13:04] <Keybuk> so I would avoid doing that if possible
[13:09] <Keybuk> zul: followed up on the bug with a suggested alternate line
[13:14] <mdz> SpamapS: packages listed in Depends are not guaranteed to be present/configured when preinst runs (only Pre-Depends packages are), Debian policy 7.2
[13:15] <mdz> SpamapS: usually adduser is invoked from postinst, rather than preinst
[13:20] <cjwatson> mvo: I've got a LOT of grub2 bugs that amount to the debconf frontend reporting that it lost its X connection, and then exiting 1.  Do you know what might be going on?
[13:21] <mvo> cjwatson: let me check one of them. is this during a normal update or a dist-upgrade? maverick I assume? if maverick it could be the switch in update-manager to aptdaemon as default backend
[13:22] <mvo> cjwatson: it does support debconf, but there may still be bugs
[13:22] <cjwatson> mvo: lucid
[13:22] <cjwatson> mvo: bug 576716 for example, I typically don't get more information than that
[13:22] <cjwatson> mvo: I was wondering if it could also be a pop-under dialog, and eventually the user got frustrated and closed the window
[13:22] <mvo> cjwatson: checking
[13:22] <cjwatson> but it's hard to tell
[13:26] <jibel> cjwatson, most of the time this error occurs on wubi setup
[13:26] <jibel> cjwatson, in the bug you mentioned there is loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk in the kernel boot command
[13:27] <cjwatson> jibel: are you sure?  they typically look like upgrade logs.
[13:27] <jibel> cjwatson, the pattern seems to be as follow
[13:27] <Riddell> asac: uxlaunch accepted but I filed bug 599772
[13:27] <jibel> install ubuntu with wubi
[13:27] <jibel> then update the system.
[13:27] <jibel> It's not reproducible or I haven't found a user able to reproduce
[13:28] <cjwatson> jibel: while I know there are problems with wubi upgrades, I'm at a loss for why that would result in this particular error.
[13:28] <cjwatson> as in, the technical mechanism.
[13:28] <asac> Riddell: thx
[13:28] <cjwatson> there should be no way for an individual package to be able to trigger that
[13:28] <jibel> reporters describe a system hang and  kill the upgrade thus the display error
[13:29] <cjwatson> right, if they kill it by hand then that's certainly one thing
[13:29] <cjwatson> it's not clear to me that every hang is necessarily due to wubi!
[13:29] <jibel> I seen 1 report where the reporter was able to catch a hang due to a "device busy" on an ntfs partition.
[13:30] <jibel> cjwatson, but I don't known if it's the general issue.
[13:30] <cjwatson> bug 574852: here's one that isn't wubi
[13:31] <cjwatson> of course I imagine bug 576724 is contributing to all this
[13:32] <cjwatson> if there are hangs when attempting grub-install to particular types of partitions, then that could explain part of it.  I'm hesitant to generalise here, though
[13:33] <jibel> cjwatson, bug 561374, not wubi but the "device busy" thing
[13:35] <cjwatson> hm, right, I'm not convinced that's a grub2 bug
[13:35] <cjwatson> let's not generalise from that one case
[13:36] <cjwatson> seems like hardware error -> the ntfs-3g mount fell over -> os-prober couldn't unmount -> grub-setup got stuck; I'm not sure which userspace components could have done anything about this
[13:36] <jibel> cjwatson, I agree, that's why I didn't duplicate them all
[13:36] <cjwatson> jibel: BTW is there a reason you keep asking reporters about BIOS virus protection?  it's pretty unlikely to be relevant to hangs
[13:37] <cjwatson> it might be relevant to problems that occur at boot time, but that's different
[13:38] <jibel> cjwatson, I seen some cases where the bios prevent grub to install on the mbr. But it's not relevant in the case of an upgrade since the boot loader is already installed.
[13:38] <mvo> cjwatson: hrm, that bug is odd, in lucid we still use synaptic as the backend, its the normal debconf frontend code used. let me play with it a bit
[13:39] <cjwatson> jibel: do you have links?  I can't see how the BIOS is even in a position to prevent ATA writes
[13:39]  * mvo waves to jibel
[13:41] <pitti> tkamppeter: our ghostscript package recently balooned from 0.8 MB to 2.8 MB, due to the /usr/share/ghostscript/8.71/Resource/CMap/ files
[13:41] <jibel> cjwatson, I'll check for links. I experienced this problem on dell gx desktops , where you had to disable bios virus protection in order to allow the installation of the boot loader
[13:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: Debian strips them out, "shipped separately, registered with DeFoMa).
[13:42] <pitti> "
[13:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: can we do the same?
[13:42] <ogra> cjwatson, MBR virus protection
[13:42] <pitti> we need to claim back 20 MB of CD space
[13:42] <ogra> cjwatson, some BIOSes have such an option that prevents you from accessing the MBR
[13:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: we already have a set of cmap-adobe-* packages which ship them
[13:42] <jibel> Hey mvo
[13:43] <cjwatson> ogra: reference please
[13:43] <mvo> jibel: just wanted to say thanks again for the flashplugin-nonfree sru verification! you rock
[13:44] <jibel> mvo, no prob, that's what SRU verification is done for.
[13:44] <jibel> mvo, btw I pushed this morning a fix for synaptic to build against latest libept 1.0 otherwise it FTBFS in maverick since last week.
[13:46] <mvo> jibel: thanks a lot, I merge it
[13:46] <ogra> cjwatson, cant give you one, but i know that even fdisk /mbr fails under windows if such an option is set, i doubt BIOS manufacturers make the details public about that feature
[13:49] <ogra> cjwatson, i'm pretty sure it only works if the system uses an onboard controller the BIOS manages though
[13:51] <jibel> cjwatson, about the apport hook for grub2, bug 591753, I don't know how passwords are stored in /etc/default/grub, any doc or reference ?
[13:51] <jibel> cjwatson, do I simply filter the string .*password.* ?
[13:52] <cjwatson> grep -v '^password'
[13:53] <jibel> cjwatson, thanks, I'll update the apport hook.
[14:11] <mpt> directhex, hi, would you be able to fix bug 546936 sometime this cycle? It's a one-line fix and would make life easier for potential developers
[14:20] <ttx> cjwatson: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/576066 ... I'm not sure it's categorized correctly. Are the kernel modules available to the Server installer really decided by seeds ?
[14:22] <Riddell> chrisccoulson: you uploaded a fix to bug 429841 but didn't comment on the bug?
[14:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, where are the cmap-adobe-* files located? Are they part of main, standard installation, or CDs? Note also that we are phasing out defoma.
[14:22] <Riddell> and mvo also uploaded a fix
[14:25] <mvo> Riddell: the fix is pretty trivial, the debdiff should be obvious
[14:25] <mvo> Riddell: sorry for the double upload
[14:26] <chrisccoulson_> Riddell - sorry, i forgot to comment
[14:26] <chrisccoulson_> i did mention to mvo that i would fix it though ;)
[14:49] <cjwatson> ttx: no, the kernel packaging decides that
[14:50] <ttx> cjwatson: so I should reassign to "linux" with a comment
[14:50] <cjwatson> yes
[14:50] <ttx> cjwatson: ok, thx for the confirmation
[15:20] <mvo> cjwatson: I tried to reproduce the grub-pc failure, but the only way I was able to trigger the io error 11 was a xkill. when killing the session I got a different io error. really odd
[15:20] <cjwatson> it's all very strange
[15:20] <cjwatson> I need to find some time to do some organised testing of wubi upgrades
[15:30] <bdrung> DktrKranz: ping
[15:31] <DktrKranz> hey bdrung
[15:32] <tkamppeter> pitti, where are the cmap-adobe-* files located? Are they part of main, standard installation, or CDs? Note also that we are phasing out defoma.
[15:32] <bdrung> DktrKranz: you worked on ubuntu-dev-tools, but andrew did some work too: https://code.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/ubuntu-dev-tools/man-pages/+merge/28566
[15:32] <bdrung> DktrKranz: can i revert your last commit?
[15:33] <DktrKranz> bdrung: sure thing, I didn't spot that branch, feel free to do so
[15:33] <DktrKranz> just, if you can save (closes: #xxxxxx), that would be awesome :)
[15:34] <bdrung> DktrKranz: k, will add that to andrews branch
[15:37] <LucidFox> Once in a while, I get a drive to review some packages on REVU.
[15:37] <LucidFox> Like I did before. Then I look at the pile of unreviewed packages stretching back to May 2009, and...
[15:39] <dholbach> cody-somerville: I can't find charlie-tca - can you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep and see if the description of the session is OK?
[15:40] <cody-somerville> dholbach, Looks adequate to me :)
[15:40] <dholbach> thanks cody-somerville
[15:43] <LucidFox> Would it make sense to archive REVU packages for karmic (and maybe lucid) with a single like like "Wrong target Ubuntu release"?
[15:43] <LucidFox> (Sadly, REVU still seems broken in regards to 3.0 (quilt) packages)
[15:51] <pitti> tkamppeter: they are separately packaged; if they are useful, we can integrate them into language-selector
[15:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: but we didn't ship them at all until now
[15:57] <micahg> was libstdc++5 supposed to get back into the archive?
[15:58] <pitti> eek, no; did it?
[15:58] <micahg> pitti: yep, it was uploaded recently
[15:58] <micahg> pitti: might not have been approved though...
[15:58] <pitti> hm, madison says that it disappeared in karmic
[15:59] <micahg> pitti: ah, it's in NEW :)
[15:59] <pitti> it should be in OLD_AND_CRAPPY
[15:59] <cjwatson> sync from gcc-3.3 in Debian, wasn't it?
[15:59]  * micahg got worried when it was on the maverick-changes list :)
[15:59] <cjwatson> he says, guessing
[15:59] <pitti> might have been a wrong autosync
[16:00]  * micahg thinks someone did it by accident
[16:01] <pitti> I'm happy to axe it again
[16:01] <pitti> it's cheap to bring back if needed, after all
[16:01] <directhex> ISV apps still need it on occasion
[16:02] <pitti> we did without it for two releases, and it's unmaintained
[16:02] <pitti> and in that case we could put it into partner, or the ISV include it
[16:02] <pitti> these tend to come with bundled libs anyway
[16:04] <micahg> pitti: bug 598854
[16:07] <pitti> ok, that was ack'ed by a MOTU
[16:08] <pitti> IMHO it doesn't exactly help to encourage ISVs to bother with rebuilding their stuff against a slightly less ancient toolchain, but *shrug*
[16:08]  * pitti accepts the binary then
[16:09] <pitti> there, NEW down to 3
[16:09] <micahg> pitti: why?  perhaps the MOTU didn't see all the previous discussion about it?
[16:10] <pitti> because binary-only rejection doesn't really make sense
[16:10] <pitti> if we remove the package again, the binary will just die with it
[16:11] <micahg> pitti: k, I was jsut wondering why not nuke it again?
[16:11] <pitti> that should be discussed on the ML or in a bug first, instead of just igoring our processes and the approved sync request
[16:14] <micahg> pitti: I was just wondering if a process was skipped to reintroduce something like this.  Is that a MOTUs call whether or not to reintroduce anything into universe?
[16:14] <pitti> I think so
[16:15] <pitti> archive admins have a certain say in that, of course
[16:15] <pitti> but someone synced it, so that happened
[16:15] <micahg> pitti: k
[16:16] <micahg> pitti: thanks :) I still have more to learn I guess
[16:17] <pitti> micahg: but please do feel free to bring it up on the ML
[16:17] <micahg> pitti: I just checked the removal bug and the reason cited is not maintained in debian, not OLD_AND_CRAPPY, so I guess there isn't an issue
[16:28] <tkamppeter> pitti, they help for example to make msttcorefonts working with Ghostscript, see bug 321932. Probably there are more fonts (or input files with embedded fonts) which work better with these files present by default.
[16:29] <pitti> tkamppeter: could ttf-mscorefonts-installer then depend on or recommend those cmap files instead?
[16:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, I did not know that they were already part of the non-CD part of the distro and as Ghostscript upstream developers told me that Adobe has changed the license of these files aand also after I heard that Defoma gets deprecated I have added them, also in the hope of getting less bug reports of "PDF file XYZ" does not print.
[16:45] <smoser> cjwatson, are you going to tell me "go fly a kite" on bug 599840 ?
[16:46] <cjwatson> smoser: shouldn't think so, although I'll probably push it upstream
[16:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, the cmap-adobe-* packages are only for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, Korean), the files I added are only for no-CJK (Latin, Russian, ...) so with my addition we should have a complete set now.
[16:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, -cns1 is Simplified Chinese, -GB1 is Traditional Chinese, -japan1/2 is Japanese, -korea1 is Korean.
[17:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: so how were we able to do without those maps until lucid?
[17:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'm trying to find out whether we can identify the cases where we do need them and handle them on demand
[17:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, probably with many files not rendering and us no knowing why.
[17:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, note also that Defoma is deprecated, Defoma can perhaps have replaced a part of the functionality of CMaps.
[17:06] <Chipzz> tkamppeter: what is defoma being replaced with?
[17:06] <pitti> tkamppeter: ok, thanks
[17:06] <pitti> tkamppeter: btw, I'm updating cups to 1.4.4
[17:06] <pitti> I need to rebuild it anyway against the new poppler
[17:11] <hallyn> stupid question
[17:11] <hallyn> what is the trigger to make sbuild apply quilt patches under debian/patches ?
[17:13] <Daviey> hallyn: Is this for Maverick or SRU?
[17:13] <hallyn> maverick
[17:13] <hallyn> so far the seabios package didn't have any patches
[17:13] <Daviey> hallyn: Consider changing to DEB source 3, the you get it for free.
[17:13] <hallyn> how do i do that?
[17:14] <Daviey> hallyn: one moment
[17:14] <SpamapS> mkdir debian/source && echo '3.0 (quilt)' > debian/source/format
[17:14] <SpamapS> I think
[17:14] <Daviey> yup
[17:14] <hallyn> ok, i looked at the qemu package and didn't see anything there so assumed it woudl jsut do it fo rme :)
[17:15] <Daviey> hallyn: traditionally it's done with one of the quilt debhelpers (assuming it's quilt)
[17:15] <hallyn> Daviey: SpamapS: trying, thanks
[17:17] <hallyn> success!  thanks!
[17:17] <Daviey> cool!
[17:19] <Daviey> hallyn: Make sure you comment in the debian/changelog that you switched to dpkg-source 3.0 (quilt) format
[17:25] <hallyn> Daviey: yup, done, thanks
[17:25] <Daviey> hallyn: awesome
[17:30] <Laney> woah, I wouldn't change source format of a package that's in Debian
[17:30] <Laney> is it?
[17:32] <hallyn> Laney: well this package isn't taken from debian
[17:33] <hallyn> (though there is a version in debian)
[17:33] <pitti> seb128: thanks for the g-i-t fix! how much smaller is it now?
[17:33] <hallyn> alas it has to be closely tied - and hacked up - to match the qemu version, which also is different from the debian versions.  hopefully we can work on that after 0.13
[17:33] <pitti> seb128: I'll upload a new cups to drop the old libpoppler5, FYI
[17:34] <cjwatson> hallyn: FYI, in the cause of understanding the model - sbuild isn't responsible for applying patches
[17:34] <Daviey> Laney: *everthing* hallyn is working on is seperate from Debian :(
[17:34] <seb128> pitti, some 2.4meg
[17:34] <pitti> seb128: cheers
[17:35] <pitti> so with that and new cups, 3 down, 17 to go..
[17:35] <cjwatson> hallyn: sbuild extracts the package with 'dpkg-source -x', and calls dpkg-buildpackage (or an equivalent interface), which ends up basically doing 'debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary'
[17:35] <cjwatson> hallyn: the old model is that you have debian/rules apply the patches somewhere; the 3.0 (quilt) model is that dpkg-source -x applies the patche
[17:35] <cjwatson> *patches
[17:36] <cjwatson> (not meaning this to come across as pedantry, but sometimes it helps to know what calls what)
[17:38]  * Daviey has never known a geek that is a pedant.
[17:39] <hallyn> cjwatson: thanks.  yeah i never use dpkg-buildpackage by hand, and dunno how it works, but was aware that sbuild uses them :)
[17:39] <hallyn> so dpkg-source applies that patches now.  that makes sense
[17:39] <hallyn> thanks
[17:40] <pitti> seb128: oh, and I'll upload a new anthy with a dependency fix, another 3 MB :)
[17:40] <seb128> pitti, nice, still some way to go though
[17:40] <ogra> Daviey, i know some greeks that are pedants :)
[17:41] <Daviey> heh.
[17:43] <tkamppeter> Chipzz, I do not know, are there any font experts around?
[17:43] <smoser> hi. i'm building uec image and hitting a bug in pycentral or pyyaml
[17:43] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/20100629.1/log.stdout.stderr
[17:43] <smoser> pycentral pkgremove: package python-yaml is not installed
[17:43] <smoser> is that known and in progress of being fixed ?
[17:45] <slangasek> directhex: hi, do you have a build log for the current mono armel failure in experimental?
[17:53] <Daviey> smoser: I guess you've seen it's newly built, ScottK might be the best person to speak to.
[17:55] <directhex> slangasek, no, the lack of experimental arm buildd gets in the way. i can fire off a build on agricola though
[17:55] <slangasek> directhex: ah. I thought it was reported to FTBFS on armel in Debian?
[17:56] <directhex> slangasek, not formally. we're evaluating using it for squeeze, so i started experimenting. and i'll get it in the neck if i upload something to maverick which breaks on ubuntu's ARM
[17:57] <slangasek> heh, I thought mono was already broken on armel in Ubuntu?
[17:57] <directhex> slangasek, it's just crap. that's a primary motivator - 2.6.3 drops from 43 test suite failures to 7. and i'm trying to extract promises of a 2.6.6 in time for feature freeze
[17:58] <directhex> (versus lucid's 2.4 branch snapshot, this is)
[18:00] <slangasek> directhex: do you have a merge of 2.6.3 for Ubuntu that would be useful as a starting point for testing?
[18:01] <directhex> slangasek, i stopped plans to prepare one when i ran into the ARM trouble. the only ubuntu changes these days are depends/recommends/suggests fiddles, afaik
[18:01] <slangasek> ok
[18:02] <directhex> slangasek, oh, i uploaded the debian package to my PPA, if it's any easier to work with from there
[18:02] <smoser> Daviey, what is newly built? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyyaml is 7 days old
[18:02] <directhex> https://launchpad.net/~directhex/+archive/monoxide?field.series_filter=maverick
[18:06] <directhex> slangasek, actually, i think i *might* have a build log. hang on
[18:07] <directhex> no, bugger, that's amd64. wonder why i saved THAT
[18:09] <pitti> Riddell: hm, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html says that koffice is uninstallable, do you already know why?
[18:11] <Riddell> pitti: koffice is build dep waiting on pstoedit which I had moved to main but seems to have slipped back into universe
[18:12]  * Riddell moves it to main again
[18:12] <pitti> Riddell: that would be a binary dep then, I guess?
[18:12] <pitti> Riddell: might have fell victim to a c-m cleanup during the time koffice wanted to go to universe
[18:12] <pitti> if that was me, sorry about taht
[18:13] <pitti> but pstoedit makes much more sense as a runtime dependency
[18:13] <Riddell> pitti: yes it's a runtime dep (although we keep it as a build time dep too to keep the build log cleaner)
[18:14] <pitti> Riddell: right, understood
[18:16] <pitti> Riddell: also seems to pull in a new package create-resources
[18:16]  * pitti promotes back the other bits
[18:17] <directhex> for reference, agricola.debian.org is slow. i could do with a quad-core 2.26ghz arm bof to test this stuff
[18:17] <pitti> Riddell: and libspnav and librcps
[18:28] <cjwatson> ogasawara: FYI, I've moved the kernel upload permissions to be attached to the ubuntu-kernel-uploaders team.  If this breaks anything (either upload permissions for the four of you, or the ability to target bugs to releases), then please let me know
[18:28] <ogasawara> cjwatson: will do, thanks
[18:35] <sbeattie> bdrung: pong?
[18:35] <SpamapS> so this MIR is in status "In Progress" but unassigned : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmemcached/+bug/586638
[18:35] <SpamapS> does that mean it needs to be added to a seed next?
[18:47] <Daviey> smoser: Does it, where?
[18:48] <Daviey> smoser: I'm seeing the build as 6 hours old.
[19:09] <pitti> RAOF: can we please drop /usr/share/doc/xserver-common/changelog.gz? it's almost a MB, and we are despearate for CD space
[19:10] <pitti> RAOF: it's a simple fix in debian/rules, and I'm happy to upload it, but I can't commit to git
[19:30] <Z-RAY_> after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstalling
[19:30] <Z-RAY_>  of the program and ffmpeg does not helping.
[19:30] <Z-RAY_> help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!
[19:30] <Z-RAY_> white dots and lines examples:
[19:30] <Z-RAY_> http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png
[19:30] <Z-RAY_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a0
[20:26] <ogra_cmpc> NCommander, grmbl
[20:36] <smoser> Daviey, you were right. i was looking at "seven days ago".  The timestamp on the changelog. the build is fresh.
[20:37] <bdrung_> sbeattie: ping
[20:38] <sbeattie> bdrung_: what's up?
[20:38] <bdrung_> sbeattie: is the replaces in bash-completion still required (bug #389633)?
[20:40] <bdrung_> sbeattie: the conflicting version was only available in the development release.
[20:46] <sbeattie> bdrung_: hrm? svk 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 was available for jaunty; I don't know offhand anymore if svk 2.0.1-1ubuntu3 in hardy contained it. However, for maverick, it should be okay to drop, as people upgrading should have come from lucid.
[20:47] <sbeattie> (and thus should have the updated version of svk that doesn't contain the bash completion file)
[20:49] <bdrung_> sbeattie: i looked at the history - svk was removed from lucid
[20:50] <sbeattie> bdrung_: hah, so it was.
[20:52] <bdrung_> sbeattie: so we just need to add the replaces to bash-completion in karmic, right?
[21:00] <sbeattie> bdrung_: for karmic, I *think* both replaces and conflicts are needed to ensure that on upgrades from jaunty, svk gets upgraded first.
[21:10] <ogra_cmpc> lamont, somehow i end up with the subarch attached to the project name in the livefs filename, i'm glaring at the code but dont get why
[21:11] <lamont> ogra_cmpc: because it hates you?
[21:11] <ogra_cmpc> i.e. i suddenly get livecd.ubuntu-netbook-omap.ext3
[21:11] <lamont> I mean, I'm not sure.
[21:12] <Kano> hi, why does my cpu run with lowest speed with maverick
[21:12] <ogra_cmpc> which makes debian-cd or rather find-live_filesystem fail indeed
[21:12] <lamont> prolly from fixing the subarch - that is, you might have not actually been the one to introduce this
[21:12] <lamont> ogra: what should it say?
[21:12] <ogra_cmpc> well, i only reverted to code that was there in luciod
[21:13] <ogra_cmpc> lamont, nothing, i'm looking for ideas, i dont see the issue
[21:13] <lamont> looking
[21:13] <ogra_cmpc> i see FSS="$FS${SUBARCH:+-$SUBARCH}" in livecd.sh
[21:13] <ogra_cmpc> but that line wasnt touched since lucid
[21:13] <Kano> which livecd.sh?
[21:14] <ogra_cmpc> so i dont get why FSS would be mangled while it wasnt before
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> Kano, the one from livecd-rootfs
[21:16] <lamont> ogra: so...  in the past, SUBARCHARG only got set if you said -s.. now it unconditionally gets set
[21:16] <lamont> no, my bad
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> your bad ?
[21:17]  * ogra_cmpc cant imagine
[21:20] <lamont> no
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> the subarcharg stuff in buildlivecd is fine, its definately somewhere in livecd.sh
[21:20] <lamont> I misread when it got set
[21:20] <lamont> no clue
[21:20] <lamont> I suppose we could do a -x run for giggles
[21:20] <lamont> ogra_cmpc: say the word and I'll tweak it on acron
[21:21] <lamont> acorn, even
[21:21] <ogra_cmpc> phew that might produce a 500M log
[21:21] <lamont> not all that bad, really
[21:21] <lamont> there aren't all that  many commands in livecd.sh
[21:21] <ogra_cmpc> well, i'm pretty sure its the abive line that mangles FSS but that was added by infinity ages ago
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> so i dont get why its changing just now
[21:22] <lamont> in rev 116, for that matter
[21:22] <lamont> brb
[21:23] <ogra_cmpc> yep
[21:26] <ogra_cmpc> i wonder if FSS was chnaged in a later line before and that reformatting was dropped
[21:28] <lamont> how many images are you handing it?
[21:28] <ogra_cmpc> only omap3 and 4 (for A2 even only omap3)
[21:29] <lamont> hrmpf
[21:29] <ogra_cmpc> for me it looks like FSS=$FS would be fine but why would that not have caused issues in lucid
[21:31] <ogra_cmpc> lamont, 28.2 was correct (it didnt have SUBARCH set at all)
[21:32] <ogra_cmpc> sadly the missing subarch made us miss a kernel/initrd
[21:34]  * lamont has to run off for a while
[21:41] <ogra_cmpc> lamont, i dont get the FSS line and i think i'll just change it to FSS=$FS for now, apart from armel noboduy is using subarches yet anyway
[21:59] <BlackZ> seb128: could you re-try the build of bug-buddy ? the bug has been fixed by didrocks
[21:59] <seb128> BlackZ, we will yes
[22:27] <ogra> lamont, so i guess initially the FSS mangling was added for the ps3 build but looking at cdimage and debian-cd i dont get how that would ever have worked
[23:08] <cjwatson> ogra: it certainly worked at one point
[23:10] <ogra_cmpc> cjwatson, thats very weird since i see no code that uses a livefs thats named livefs.ubuntu-ps3.squashfs, there is certainly no special casing in find-live_filesystem
[23:11] <ogra_cmpc> what bothers me more though is that livecd.sh seems to suddenly produce these filesystems for armel while it didnt for lucid builds
[23:11] <ogra_cmpc> i have worked around that for now but i still do get why behavior changed at all
[23:12] <ogra_cmpc> s/do/dont/


[22:57] <jagginess> WeThePeople, wayland is a new coming X, hopefully it'll be better than xorg and completely open source
[22:57] <genii-around> AlexO: If you can ssh into the machine you want to run the apt-get command on I'm not sure why you don't just run it that way. I'm not sure where this sshfs part is coming in.
[22:57] <bekks> jagginess: X is opensource too.
[22:57] <WeThePeople> jagginess, so thats what #wayland is for, sweet
[22:57] <bekks> jagginess: There is no single part in X which isnt open source.
[22:57] <jagginess> bekks, well there's proprietary drivers that work with X, hopefully wayland has no proprietary parts
[22:58] <jagginess> feels like i'm talking to no-waylanders
[22:58] <jagginess> lol
[22:58] <bekks> jagginess: 3rd party drivers never were part of X and hove NO impact on X being open source or not.
[22:59] <bekks> Ans wayland WILL be able to use 3rd party drivers for the sake of usability and not turning back the clock for 30 years.
[22:59] <AlexO> genii-around: in fact it's a virtual machine who can't reach internet but Host and Guest can ssh each other and I need to Install some pakage on my guest ...
[22:59] <jagginess> well xfree86 license changed.. it was a commercial avenue, hence why xorg forked
[23:00] <zerowaitstate> actually, making drivers top-secret is the definition of turning the clock back 30 years
[23:00] <bekks> jagginess: And it happened... decades ago? And xfree86 isnt used for how long exactly nowadays...? :)
[23:00] <jagginess> and xfree86 didnt come out 30 years ago either.
[23:00] <genii-around> AlexO: So why not scp the deb files over and use dpkg -i  ?
[23:01] <bekks> jagginess: So nowadays, the Xorg implementation is open source and has no closed source parts. And it allows the usage of 3rd party drivers. Sounds like a good thing, even on second glance.
[23:01] <genii-around> !offline
[23:02] <MonkeyDust> AlexO  rsync over ssh is perfectly do-able
[23:02] <alusion> Hey ubuntu I just got rid of all my sources on sources.list, I want to install kde. What sources should I have on my machine? 12.04 precise
[23:03] <AlexO> genii-around: I tried but the package needed have some dependances so when i'm doing a dpkg -i alien it does work cause it need a lot of other dependance
[23:03] <jagginess> alusion, kde sux :)
[23:03] <MonkeyDust> alusion plasma-desktop is in one of the sources you deleted
[23:03] <jagginess> AlexO, alien the package converter? that's not a very good tool.. it can cause damage and destruction
[23:03] <genii-around> AlexO: That's why I did !offline just above for you, it shows you how to grab all the stuff a package needs and install it on an offline box
[23:04] <alusion> I made a copy of the sources.list file, MonkeyDust : what is plasma-desktop?
[23:04] <AlexO> jagginess: it's for oracle db
[23:04] <jagginess> alusion, you're not using ubuntu. you'd just have to click a few things in the update-manager gui
[23:05] <jagginess> AlexO, oracle db is properly support on ubuntu?
[23:05] <MonkeyDust> !info kde-plasma-desktop
[23:05] <alusion> I need sources.
[23:05] <tsimpson> alusion: put your sources back
[23:05] <jagginess> AlexO, your better off using suse for oracle
[23:05] <alusion> alright.
[23:05] <doxa> thıs wıll take a lot to learn ubuntu :(
[23:06] <Dr_willis> doxa,  never noticed. ;p
[23:06] <genii-around> alusion: Kubuntu uses the same sources.list that regular Ubuntu does
[23:06]  * Dr_willis read the ubuntu manual and now is leet.
[23:06] <doxa> but ı lıke hard :)
[23:06] <Dr_willis> !manual
[23:06] <alusion> I had some strange sources such as Oneiric ones, I might as well ignore those yeah?
[23:07] <doxa> Dr_willis, can u help me on x ıf u have tıme atleast ı can confıgure ıt and have some energy :P
[23:07] <genii-around> alusion: Should probably comment out all the ones for former versions with a # at the beginning
[23:07] <MonkeyDust> alusion  what's the outcome of lsb_release -sd ?
[23:07] <Dr_willis> doxa,  X auto configures for the most part these days.. give the channel info about your issue and see who knows what.
[23:07] <alusion> MonkeyDust,  Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[23:08] <MonkeyDust> alusion  ok, then don't use oneiric sources
[23:08] <doxa> ı need to move menu bars from left to bottom and make ıt shortr etc
[23:08] <c4ptotc> hello i have a usb wireless device on my desktop and when i use crtl - alt - L the device goes to sleep                how can i keep this device on even when crtl - alt - L is locked ?        I have all the power management off in "Screensaver"         I am using ubuntu 12.04 precise
[23:08] <Dr_willis> doxa,  menu bars?
[23:08] <MonkeyDust> doxa  that's advanced configuration, start with the basics
[23:09] <genii-around> alusion: if command:  grep precise  /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list      shows a result then you can copy that one and use it for a template
[23:09] <c4ptotc> i try this but it doesnt work
[23:09] <c4ptotc> root@hpz800:~# iwconfig wlan power off
[23:09] <c4ptotc> Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :
[23:09] <c4ptotc>     SET failed on device wlan ; No such device.
[23:09] <FloodBot1> c4ptotc: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:09] <Dr_willis> Theres a setting to make the unity left side pannel smaller (smaller icons)
[23:09] <doxa> why basics
[23:09] <Dr_willis> doxa,  learn to crawl befor you walk.. and walk befor you run... then fly..
[23:09] <doxa> :/
[23:09] <genii-around> c4ptotc: wlan  needs a number like wlan0 or wlan1
[23:10] <MonkeyDust> doxa  because the basics is where you start, or did you read analytical philosophy in nursery school? ;)
[23:10] <c4ptotc> genii-around, yes sorry even trying wlan0 it doesnt work
[23:10] <c4ptotc> genii-around, root@hpz800:~# iwconfig wlan0 power off
[23:10] <c4ptotc> Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :
[23:10] <c4ptotc>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[23:11] <genii-around> c4ptotc: Then it looks like your adapter doesn't support that command
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> doxa  that was a little joke, but you get the point
[23:12] <c4ptotc> genii-around, http://pastie.org/4812103
[23:13] <doxa> yea ı will work untill i see kernel panic and format and install format and install and then will find u and ask a question again :P
[23:13] <chovynz> lol doxa
[23:13] <doxa> :P
[23:14] <chovynz> ill have a look with you doxa
[23:14] <chovynz> 12.04?
[23:15] <chovynz> doxa are you there?
[23:15] <doxa> yes
[23:15] <doxa> first how can ı chage my language from turkısh to englısh so u can see better
[23:15] <genii-around> c4ptotc: If you try with on instead of off does it actually turn the power management on but still say not supported?
[23:15] <chovynz> doxa: 12.04? and do you want the unity panel at the base of the screen? (Don't worry about changing language. keep it simple.
[23:16] <doxa> ok :) yes ı want to do that
[23:16] <Dr_willis> unity panel cant go to the bottom.. so that parts done... ;)
[23:16] <chovynz> haha :)
[23:16] <Dr_willis> it is possible to change the size of the icons.. somewhere.. i forget where.
[23:17] <alusion> I have the choice for display managers between kdm and lightdm
[23:17] <alusion> what's the difference?
[23:17] <Dr_willis> alusion,  ones kde's default. other is ubuntu's default. its trivial to change them back and forth.
[23:17] <c4ptotc> genii-around, no it doesnt not turn it on either
[23:17] <Dr_willis> alusion,  'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' lets you change them later if you want
[23:17] <alusion> What would you recommend Dr_willis ? :)
[23:17] <Dr_willis> alusion,  flip a coin...
[23:17] <c4ptotc> genii-around, but when i use crtl - alt - L it gets disconnected
[23:17] <c4ptotc> genii-around, to lock the screen
[23:18] <Dr_willis> alusion,  change them every other day if you want. it dosent really matter.
[23:18] <chovynz> doxa:  why do you want the unity panel at the base of the screen?
[23:19] <doxa> ı am a lıttle maniac and want ıt there so ı can fırst learn where ı am workıng on :P
[23:19] <chovynz> doxa: so in other words you want it there for no reason other than to feel comfortable with it?
[23:20] <alusion> What is ubuntu's default Dr_willis ? Is that lightdm?
[23:20] <doxa> no to learn my desktop soon gonna start php so menu ıs not ımportant but dıdnt used linux for a long long tıme
[23:20] <doxa> the names had even changed
[23:21] <doxa> by the way thx
[23:22] <chovynz> doxa I suggest you get used to the way this ubuntu looks, as it is a little different to the previous ubuntus. (Command line is still command line, but this unity is -probably- not the same as what you used to use.)
[23:22] <doxa> yea it seems ı have to use ıt lıke that 4 a tıme
[23:23] <chovynz> doxa: you dont need the unity menu down the base. it works well as it is on the side. do you REALLY need to change it?
[23:23] <doxa> ı wıll :)
[23:23] <chovynz> What is important to you doxa? is it the programming or how the unity menu looks?
[23:24] <MonkeyDust> doxa  you don't have to use unity, there's also xfce, lxde, fallback and more
[23:24] <phy1729> Can I make it so that people can run alsamixer without root?
[23:24] <doxa> ı need programıng for webdesıgn my job and ı need to move ıt for my love lınux
[23:24] <doxa> what are they
[23:24] <doxa> xfce etc
[23:24] <chovynz> other graphical interfaces doxa
[23:25] <doxa> hmm
[23:25] <MonkeyDust> doxa  http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg
[23:26] <doxa> xfce is cool
[23:26] <santosh> My "foo.desktop" is not being shown when I am finding through unity search box. I have foo.desktop placed in ~/.local/share/applications/
[23:26] <chovynz> then use that instead of modifying unity :)
[23:26] <MonkeyDust> doxa  and this is fallback http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fpdM3UOam3Y/TzW6lrA9yNI/AAAAAAAAHuQ/5Wf9Xum-oxQ/s1600/ubuntu12.04-classic-session.png
[23:26] <doxa> that ıs what ı have
[23:27] <alusion> I finished installing kde-plasma-desktop
[23:27] <alusion> Is there anything else that I need to install?
[23:27] <chovynz> um....*looks confused at MonkeyDust...and... quiets down. *
[23:27] <MonkeyDust> alusion  now logout, select kde and login
[23:27] <alusion> AWESOME!
[23:28] <doxa> MonkeyDust, how do ı ınstall the gnome 3 kde xfce thıngs ?
[23:28] <chovynz> doxa: ...which graphical interface do you have?
[23:28] <santosh> My "foo.desktop" is not being shown when I am finding through unity search box. I have foo.desktop placed in ~/.local/share/applications/
[23:28] <doxa> the same one u show last
[23:29] <Dr_willis> and be confused by kde's differance :)
[23:29] <chovynz> doxa then why are you asking unity bar (which you don't have) to be placed on the base?
[23:30] <doxa> ı have a bar on left dash homefırefox etc etc a bar on top wıth my connectıon tıme etc and ı hate all wanna do mıne lıke before ın kde ın mandrake ıt was easy left clıck do what u want
[23:31] <chovynz> then install xfce and stop using unity :)
[23:31] <myersg> NO! I don't want to stop using unity!
[23:32] <chovynz> you must be deunified!
[23:32] <viddy> stop not using xfce!
[23:32] <awc7371> where does openjdk install to?
[23:32] <awc7371> i need to point an app to my jdk path
[23:33] <Dr_willis> if you doxa  if you want kde.. then use kde...
[23:33] <genii-around> awc7371: update-alternatives --list java    should tell you
[23:34] <doxa> ı wıll try to ınstall ıt now
[23:34] <joan> OerHeks, can you explain why the command suggested by the doc doesn't work (I haven't tested your suggestion because I don't have access to the printer right now)? Which is the difference between it and yours?
[23:34] <awc7371> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[23:34] <awc7371> its not working with spring source installation :(
[23:34] <doxa> now lets see what ı have done
[23:35] <^Mike> I've just bought a new external hard drive enclosure, put 2 new HDDs in, and connected it to my laptop via eSATA. The drives are not recognized - they don't appear in fdisk -l or blkid, for example. Nothing interesting in dmesg, but in syslog, I see: http://p.hashbang.ca/ZY What can I do to troubleshoot this further?
[23:36] <OerHeks> joan, it is the only way i know, see man lpr & man pr & man lp
[23:36] <awc7371> spring source the chosen directory does not contain the required product
[23:36] <awc7371> i can't find my jdk directory
[23:36] <awc7371> The application needs a JDK. A JRE will not be sufficient. Select the JDK path:
[23:37] <c4ptotc> genii-around, isnt there a way to disable power management altogether?
[23:37] <c4ptotc> awc7371, type "which openjdk"
[23:37] <c4ptotc> awc7371, or the name of the openjdk exec
[23:37] <awc7371> huh?
[23:37] <awc7371> im not sure
[23:37] <awc7371> ill try everything
[23:37] <awc7371> but im not sure what else to try
[23:37] <c4ptotc> awc7371, c4pt@hpz800:~$ which bash
[23:37] <c4ptotc> /bin/bash
[23:38] <c4ptotc> awc7371, if you know the name of the openjdk command you can find it like that
[23:38] <awc7371> it sees nothing in bin bash
[23:38] <joan> OerHeks, thanx, I just was wondering why the official doc proposed the other command, which outputs the error, it's strange, anyway, thank you very much
[23:41] <awc7371> I Had jre installed , not jdk
[23:41] <bizhanMona> Hi I have installed ubuntu 12.04 desktop on my system and I am reading the manual for pbuilder. To create pbuilder environment, need to run: sudo pbuilder create --distribution $(lsb_release-cs) ....  what is $(lsb_release-cs) for my installation? Thx
[23:42] <tsimpson> bizhanMona: exactly what's there, the $() syntax runs the command inside it
[23:42] <bizhanMona> tsimpson: thanks
[23:42] <ring2> awc7371, do you have default-jdk installed?
[23:43] <BebopSteve> Is anyone familiar with docky configuration files? http://askubuntu.com/questions/192283/how-do-i-restore-previous-launcher-icons-in-docky
[23:43] <awc7371> ring2: no, installing
[23:43] <mrojas6996> hello! i need your help again
[23:43] <fellayaboy> hey openvpn use to work right off the bat when i had it as a ubuntu 10.04 server but i just installed a fresh copy of 12.04 and now i can connect but get no internet access i have everything installed and configured rightly...but nothing..i even tried adjusted iptables to soemthing that worked for an earlier version but no luck..i dont know where to start witht he problem but im guessing its a firewall or ip fowarding problem
[23:43] <WeThePeople> bizhanmona, type lsb_release --help in terminal
[23:44] <awc7371> ring2: i installed that, and openjdk-6-jdk
[23:44] <awc7371> still can't find the right dir
[23:45] <ring2> awc7371, which program are you trying to use? have you restarted the program after installing default-jdk?
[23:45] <awc7371> trying to install springsource
[23:45] <awc7371> im in /usr/lib/jvm/, seeing like 6 java directories
[23:46] <awc7371> trying each one's bin/ directory
[23:46] <mrojas6996> I have a lot of originals Audio CD's, and i try to play in my Lubuntu, but Lubuntu not read the tracks like .CDA, but as a .WMA tracks, and it is bad, because the original audio CD's have tracks on .CDA, not .WMA
[23:46] <awc7371> keep getting jdk not found
[23:47] <ring2> awc7371, have you restarted installing after installing default-jdk?
[23:47] <awc7371> k ill try
[23:47] <awc7371> brb
[23:48] <mrojas6996> and audacious not detect the audio CD when I insert in the CD Drive
[23:48] <Jordan_U> mrojas6996: I'm almost certain that you're mistaken in some way or another. WMA is the extention for Windows Media Audio, hardly the preffered audio format for Lubuntu.
[23:49] <Jordan_U> mrojas6996: Can you post a screenshot of what you're seeing?
[23:49] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | mrojas6996
[23:49] <mrojas6996> Ok! I show you an screenshot
[23:52] <mrojas6996> CD Insert: http://screencloud.net/v/m0VF
[23:53] <mrojas6996> Audacious not detect the CD http://screencloud.net/v/rGfy
[23:53] <mrojas6996> The .WMA archives in the Original CD audio: http://screencloud.net/v/969X
[23:55] <mrojas6996> the CD is original, windows detect the files like CDA, lubuntu detect the files like .WMA
[23:57] <mrojas6996> any idea from why I have this problem with the original audio discs?
[23:58] <mrojas6996> because this original CD is not the only that presents this problem
[23:58] <frey> Hello. Do you know of a tool to create a USB bootable copy of my current Ubuntu install? I have been trying to install remastersys, but for some reason their repository is not accessible.


[13:40] <Saryth> Hello
[13:44] <Saryth> I don't know if I should put this here, but 2 nightly firefox-trunk packages failed to build (natty and base)
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> heh, i know that already ;)
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> heh, i got quoted here - http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23976980-two-in-court-over-facebook-posts-inciting-rioting.do
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> seems like i should have 2 twitter accounts, to separate work from non-work ;)
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2008/10/20/by-these-presents/. that has some explanation of the WM limitations which cause bug 808777 ;)
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 808777 in thunderbird "Determine if / how we should switch workspaces when focusing Thunderbird" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808777
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> basically, different applications have different requirements, but there's nothing in the spec which allows an app to display the correct behaviour :(
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> s/display/specify/
[15:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ugh
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> i knew there was a reason it hasn't been solved yet ;)
[15:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hooray.  :/
[15:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ah well, sounds out of scope for this iteration.  ;)
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think so
[15:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - so I just did a blog post on my initial fiddlings with the EDS Lightning provider.  I'm curious - did you have a plan for how the indicator-datetime applet was going to communicate with Lightning?  Because Evolution is currently hard-coded in
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, not yet. which bits are hard coded? i've not looked at that before
[15:37] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I mean, we could try to populate the indicator-datetime applet when TB/Ltng is running via ctypes, but when it's not ...well, then the indicator will default to opening Evo.  :/
[15:37] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: lemme show ya, hang on...
[15:39] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-datetime/trunk/view/head:/src/datetime-service.c
[15:39] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: just do a find for "evolution"
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ah, ok. i wouldn't worry too much about that for now. we had the same issue with the messaging menu too (ie, Mail was hard-coded to evolution)
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> i can probably fix that quite easily when we need to
[15:40] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright - now I just need to create a way for Lightning to be summoned via command line. :p
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[15:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: also, it looks like today is feature freeze.  Alterations to indicator-datetime might have to wait for the next release, no?
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, we probably wouldn't want to change that for this cycle
[15:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: we can still develop the add-on and host it on AMO, etc though
[15:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: if it matures, gets solid enough, yeah, we can bundle and integrate next cycle.
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds fine
[20:32] <BUGabundo> wuzzzuppp ?


[08:03] <jared> jea: just a ping regarding tonights meeting, finger's crossed I'll actually be around this time.
[08:19] <jea> jared: ok
[09:44] <jea> could be slightly late, but will be as close as possible to 8pm
[09:58] <jared> Yeah, I will be about 5 minutes, I just have to duck off afk for a little
[10:06] <jea> Hi everyone
[10:06] <jea> Hopefully there are a few of you here for the meeting
[10:07] <Noskcaj> jea, I'm here
[10:07] <jea> great :)
[10:07] <jea> i will start the meeting at 8:10 to give people a few minutes to arrive
[10:07] <jared> Made it back
[10:10] <jea> @startmeeting
[10:10] <meetingology> jea: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command.
[10:10] <jea> @meeting
[10:10] <meetingology> jea: Error: "meeting" is not a valid command.
[10:10] <jea> gah
[10:10] <jared> Hmm is it #?
[10:10] <jea> I thought it was @
[10:11] <jea> no, it is #
[10:11] <jea> #startmeeting
[10:11] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Sep 22 10:11:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is jea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[10:11] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[10:11] <jea> interesting that it responded to @
[10:11] <jea> #topic September 2013 Ubuntu-AU Team Meeting
[10:11] <jared> Odd, perhaps that's a common error
[10:11] <jea> #meetingtopic September 2013 Ubuntu-AU Team Meeting
[10:12] <jea> #topic Welcome
[10:12] <jea> Hi everyone. Welcome to the Ubuntu-AU Team Meeting for Sept 2013
[10:12] <jea> Agenda can be found at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/663/detail/
[10:13] <jared> Evening all, thanks for organising this jea, greatly appreciate the effort
[10:14] <jea> Everyone who is here, say hi to have your name recorded on the minutes
[10:14] <jea> Tonight we have a couple of topics, being my report on the session I ran at UQ, and secondly the LoCo Verification coming up
[10:16] <jea> so, on to the first topic
[10:16] <jea> #topic Brisbane Intro to Linux
[10:17] <jea> Back in August, I ran an evening session introducing people to Ubuntu and Linux at the University of Queensland
[10:17] <Noskcaj> hi
[10:17] <jea> (http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/2456-beginning-with-ubuntu/)
[10:17] <jared> From everything I've heard it went really well jea
[10:17] <joey168> hi everyone
[10:17] <jea> It was pretty successful, with the room I had booked being completely full, and people listening from out the door
[10:17] <jared> Good evening joey168 & Noskcaj
[10:17] <jea> There were around 53 people there
[10:17] <jea> Hi Noskcaj and joey168
[10:18] <jared> jea: awesome, that's probably one of the best attended events in a while.
[10:18] <Noskcaj> jea, great work
[10:18] <jared> jea: were you able to connect with the Humber volunteers?
[10:18] <jea> Yes, there were two people from Humbug who came along
[10:19] <jea> I invited them to speak for a bit, so they introduced themselves and Humbug, then stayed around to answer questions after the main talk
[10:19] <jea> I wasn't expecting that many people, so I had intended to do more of a 'get in groups and talk, and I will come and answer questions' session
[10:20] <jared> Do you think that sort of event could become semi-regular if we helped staff it?
[10:20] <jea> Instead I did a seminar-like talk to everyone for 20mins or so, then opened it up to questions
[10:21] <jea> I think it could. I chose that time to coincide with a course that UQ runs, teaching people about unix
[10:21] <jea> so if it is around this time each year, I think attendance would be quite good
[10:21] <jared> Do you think there is much opportunity to do it quarterly or something?
[10:22] <jea> um, probably not at UQ that often
[10:22] <jea> I think something similar could be done at QUT, but we would need connections there to do it
[10:22] <Noskcaj> maybe we could try and do one there, one somewhere else each year
[10:23] <jea> so if we had, for example, one at UQ and one at QUT a year, that would be pretty good
[10:23] <jared> I have general QUT connections but no IT department ones. However they do have the open source group so should be pretty open to id
[10:23] <jea> University of New South Wales has probably the best computing courses in Australia
[10:23] <Noskcaj> I could try and do one at UNE, but i think there are age issues.
[10:23] <jea> so targeting them could be worthwhile
[10:24] <Noskcaj> jea, +1
[10:24] <jea> Noskcaj: yes, you might find it harder
[10:24] <jea> We could also do another session at a library somewhere
[10:25] <jea> Brisbane City Council now has these CoderDojo sessions, aimed at younger kids learning programming
[10:25] <jea> maybe we could offer to introduce them to Ubuntu
[10:26] <joey168> how is it with the macquarie university in sydney, they run also quite good computer courses
[10:27] <jea> joey168: I am not too sure about Macquarie Uni. Have you done much with them/do you study there?
[10:27] <jared> jea: sounds like you have a few volunteers to help spread the program :)
[10:27] <Noskcaj> If you need extra people, #debian-au might be willing to help
[10:28] <jea> jared: hopefully. It would be nice to spread it
[10:28] <Noskcaj> Plus there's a heap of australian ubuntu members who never come here
[10:28] <joey168> i am to old to study there, but i was there at their open day with my daughter and what i had seen was very impressive
[10:29] <jea> Ok. That could be another opportunity to run such an event
[10:30] <jared> jea: was there much effort in setting the event up?
[10:30] <jared> jea: just trying to get a feel for how many people you'd need to commit to it to make it work
[10:30] <jea> I plan on writing up a short thing about the event, for the website. I have just been putting it off with my uni work
[10:31] <jea> jared: I organised it all, and had a couple of others to help on the day
[10:31] <joey168> jea, how you approached the people
[10:32] <jea> I probably had it slightly easy because I ran it with the UQ Computing Society, of which I am the current secretary
[10:32] <jea> However, even if I wasn't in the society, I think they would be open to running something like this
[10:33] <jea> I will write up what was involved setting it up, as a template for others to use
[10:33] <joey168> would be for sure from interest
[10:34] <jared> jea: awesome, if you could share the "agenda" as well that would make it easy. I know personally I find it difficult to think of things that will entertain a crowd
[10:34] <jea> Yep, I could do that
[10:35] <jea> I think having the free goodies helped too - people always like to get free things
[10:35] <Noskcaj> i need sleep, g'night
[10:35] <joey168> jared, you are like me. i am too technical
[10:35] <jared> Good night Noskcaj
[10:36] <jared> jea: Canonical are good like that
[10:36] <jea> Hopefully it continues with the change in approved/verified locos
[10:36] <jared> jea: I believe it will as long as we're "verified".
[10:36] <jea> Ok, that is good.
[10:37] <jared> I think we'll go close, the main problem we have is that the meetings are at terrible times with the council
[10:37] <jea> Well, I think this is a good time to change to the next topic
[10:37] <jea> #topic LoCo Verification Application
[10:37] <jea> As you are probably aware, Ubuntu-AU has to undergo a verification process again this year
[10:38] <jea> We have started preparing the document required
[10:38] <jea> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/VerificationApplication2013
[10:38] <jea> It would be great if everyone could take a look, and updated as needed
[10:38] <jared> Well on this topic, we have about 4 days before the team expires from the LP team of "verified" teams. I have tried to engage the council in conversation via the bug raised to go through the approval process but to no avail so far.
[10:39] <jared> I think it's likely the team will expire but should be able to be put back on pretty simply if we are verified again shortly after
[10:39] <jea> Do you know when the meeting times are?
[10:39] <jared> Everyone I've seen is around 3am local time
[10:40] <jea> Oh. That is hard
[10:40] <jared> I'll email the council directly and link back to the bug and see if that helps
[10:41] <jea> Ok. I am happy to attend the meeting, depending on what day/time
[10:42] <jared> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[10:42] <jared> Actually it's 6am from the looks of that
[10:42] <jea> That is a bit better
[10:42] <jared> I'll CC in the ubuntu-au-owner so hopefully they reply all
[10:43] <jea> We should add the forum to the application
[10:44] <jared> I was going to check loco.u.c to make sure all our previous events are listed for the last 2 years
[10:44] <jared> I think we did some release parties, etc, we should add
[10:44] <jea> There are quite a few things there
[10:44] <jea> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au/events/history/
[10:45] <jared> Maybe we link to that and leave what's there as the highlights
[10:46] <jea> I have a link under the LocoTeam Portal section, but I could do it under the Activities section also
[10:49] <jea> Looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/ApprovalApplicationrenewal2013
[10:49] <joey168> up to what degree activities for ubuntu derivates would be considered?
[10:50] <jared> joey168: depends really, if you give some information it would help
[10:50] <jea> I think we could use some of their sections (eg Branding on wiki)
[10:50] <jared> Photos would probably help a lot, even a link to them
[10:51] <jea> I have a couple of photos from my event. I should put them up
[10:51] <jared> If we can tidy up the wiki by tonight I'll email the council and see how we go
[10:51] <joey168> well, i am introducing vinux to a school for visual impaired people in vietnam
[10:52] <jared> jea: If you have a flickr account it would be good to add them to the team page as that links straight to the loco portal
[10:52] <jared> joey168: a noble effort but probably a little too removed to be included as part of this process.
[10:53] <jea> jared: only issue i see is whether i should have permission from people in the photo to post it
[10:53] <jared> jea: as long as you're not tagging them and they are the "subject" of the photo I don't think there is an issue
[10:53] <joey168> too removed in terms of vietnam or more in terms to vinux?
[10:54] <jea> jared: ok
[10:54] <jared> jea: if you want to put a note in the comments to contact you to take them down if people object that might show a bit more "effort" to be nice?
[10:54] <jared> joey168: a bit from column a and a bit from column b
[10:58] <jared> joey168: if the team were instrumental in the organisation it would probably be good, but if it's just a member doing something loosely attached to Ubuntu probably not
[10:58] <joey168> jared, i understand, well it was an idea worth to think about
[10:59] <jared> joey168: definitely, and also something you're more than welcome to post a story about to the website and/or mailing list
[11:00] <joey168> jared, as soon the project is finished i will post the complete story - probably in december
[11:01] <jared> joey168: no problems, if you need a hand with anything feel free to post to the list for some help
[11:02] <joey168> jared, thanks for your offer, the help will be certainly needed in a later stage
[11:06] <jared> jea: did you think wholesale changes to the wiki are needed or do you think we just submit and answer questions as needed?
[11:06] <jared> joey168: I'll watch out for it
[11:06] <jea> jared: I think just submit it
[11:07] <jared> jea: I was thinking the same just didn't want to do it if you wanted to spend more time on it. My thouhts are we just see what else they want, at least they know we're interested
[11:07] <jea> yep, may as well get the ball rolling
[11:08] <jea> hmm, where are our forums?
[11:08] <jea> http://au.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:08] <jea> that doesn't seem to work
[11:08] <jea> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=399
[11:08] <jea> there we go
[11:09] <jared> jea: maybe something to do with the upgrade
[11:09] <jea> ah, yep
[11:10] <jared> The forum upgrade destroyed my new account and linked me back to my old one so I've got to work that out at some stage
[11:12] <jea> annoying
[11:12] <jea> I think I might end the meeting, if there is nothing else
[11:12] <jared> I don't have anything else, joey168 did you want to discuss the project at all or you happy to close the meeting?
[11:13] <jared> jea: I have an email drafted to the council so I'll send it when the meeting ends.
[11:17] <jea> Ok. I shall keep an eye out
[11:17] <jea> Thanks to everyone for coming
[11:17] <jea> #endmeeting
[11:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Sep 22 11:17:32 2013 UTC.
[11:17] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2013/ubuntu-au.2013-09-22-10.11.moin.txt
[11:17] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2013/ubuntu-au.2013-09-22-10.11.html
[11:17] <jea> jared: I am removing the identi.ca accounts, because identica doesn't really exist any more
[11:17] <jared> jea: thanks so much for organising the meeting
[11:17] <jea> that is alright
[11:18] <jared> jea: yeah I was hoping to put a call out to see if anyone wants to look after the social media stuff.
[11:18] <jared> Even if it's just communicating loco community stuff to AU users that would be useful I think
[11:18] <jea> in this case, the entire identica platform has been removed, and replaced with something else
[11:18] <jea> so I am just doing directly to twitter now
[11:19] <jared> Oh right, sounds fair enough
[11:19] <jared> I should look at twitter once in a while
[11:19] <jea> got a bit of a surprise when I went to log in
[11:20] <joey168> jea, thanks for the meeting
[11:20] <jea> joey168: thanks for coming along
[11:20] <joey168> jared, thanks for our conversation aside the line
[11:21] <jared> joey168: no worries at all, the meeting is meant to be a bit of an open forum for the team to communicate as well :)
[11:22] <joey168> jared, i just read the previous msg for me in regard to the project
[11:24] <jea> jared: we feature in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Homepage
[11:24] <jared> jea: yeah I've seen a few teams copy us and wondered about that. Nice to know it's because we did something well :)
[11:25] <jea> They also suggest looking at the MA team. Something must have happened to them though https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam
[11:26] <joey168> jared, i like to discuss the project, but if you don't mind not today, we can meet tomorrow on this channel or in the chat channel
[11:26] <jared> joey168: happy to talk anytime, my appearance at the keyboard is sporadic though (tomorrow I'm out until 10pm at uni) so probably email is better
[11:27] <jared> joey168: if you ping me and I"m not here feel free to drop me a line at jarednorris at ubuntu.com
[11:28] <jared> jea: back in 2010 it looked like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam?action=recall&rev=101
[11:28] <jea> jared: should we add ourselves to the LocoCouncil Agenda?
[11:28] <joey168> jared, no problem
[11:28] <jared> jea: not sure, I'm hoping the email will get their attention and they can ask us to do so if they want.
[11:28] <jea> ok
[11:29] <jea> that old page looks much better. Maybe we should put the Australian Team in that position too :P
[11:29] <jared> If they don't reply all I'll forward the response on
[11:36] <jea> Well, hopefully that is alright for now
[11:38] <joey168> i have to say good night - still some work waiting for me
[11:39] <jared> joey168: good night, I'm off to do some studying myself
[11:39] <jea> cya joey168 and jared
[11:40] <jared> jea: thanks for your efforts, I like the changes to the social pages. No point having 100 groups if none are active
[11:40] <jea> Yeah. I will try to keep them going a bit more
[11:40] <joey168> jared, see you soon again, bye
[11:40] <jea> certainly outside uni times will be easier
[11:41] <joey168> jea, see you
[11:41] <jared> jea: no worries, I'll try doing a call to the team when I get a chance. If someone with an active account that conforms to the CoC wants to help out I'm inclined to give it a shot
[11:41] <jared> We did get someone like that a while ago but they never really went with it from memory
[11:41] <jea> Yeah. I would prefer to see them online here a bit more first


[23:06] <meena> holmanb: i think https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2127 might need a rebase
[23:06] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2127 in canonical/cloud-init "Support Ephemeral Networking for BSD" [Open]


[04:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:26] <ablest1980> gm
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: hello mate
[04:26] <ablest1980> hello
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/cirrus7-nimbini-ubuntu-pc-announced
[04:29] <ablest1980> website loading
[04:29] <ablest1980> im updating
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> oh okay :p
[04:30] <ablest1980> looks good
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah alot of ubuntu devices rise up these days
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> thats promising
[04:31] <ablest1980> :)
[04:32] <ablest1980> we got different a/c plugs in us
[04:32] <ablest1980> ---(}=
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> ah
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Ubuntu-15-04-Vivid-Vervet-Is-Now-in-Final-Freeze-Arrives-on-April-23-478634.shtml
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> vivid almost there
[04:36] <ablest1980> 15.04 lts is comming?
[04:36] <ablest1980> next week?
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> not lts
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> !15.04
[04:40] <ablest1980> beta?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> final
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> and next week official release yes
[04:40] <ablest1980> ok
[04:41] <ablest1980> softpedia link stil loading
[04:41] <ablest1980> software updater install java 8
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> kk
[04:58] <ablest1980> join #ubuntu-offtopic lotuspsychje
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: why?
[04:59] <ablest1980> people talking there
[05:13] <ablest1980> lotuspsychje bbl
[05:53] <ki7mt> Evening / Morning / Afternoon All :-)
[08:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:54] <OerHeks> Hey BluesKaj :-D
[12:54] <OerHeks> How is life?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi OerHeks, just fine here thanks , and you?
[12:55] <OerHeks> Just finished hanging laundry in the sun, walking the dogs, making diner for mom in the hospital, and life is looking great, weekend is comming.
[12:55] <OerHeks> Lack of funding for an ubuntu-phone is just a detail.
[13:03] <BluesKaj> funny I have no desire to buy  an iubuntu phone , even if it was available
[13:04] <OerHeks> Just for fun.
[13:04] <OerHeks> I love to read people working on it in #ubuntu-touch
[13:19]  * popey tickles OerHeks
[13:21] <OerHeks> hi popey :-D
[13:22] <OerHeks> and yes, i tried to fold a origami thing, not that handy with paper i am afraid
[16:08] <daftykins> oh dear Tux, not the 'when is it out?' talk again :(
[16:09] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's already starting...are we there yet ? :)
[16:37] <daftykins> ;)
[16:45] <OerHeks> I answer that question with '27th' :-)
[17:09] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, it's 23rd
[17:09] <OerHeks> I know, now.
[17:13] <daftykins> it might get delayed like whichever last time ;)
[17:21] <OerHeks> oke ATA = 23th around sometime before midnight
[17:21] <OerHeks> because that would be q nr 2


[04:01] <coz_> ;
[08:44] <coz_> '
[08:47] <darkmatter> o/
[08:51] <thorwil> \o
[09:13] <vish> \o/
[09:13] <vish>  | |
[09:13] <vish> bleh , coz_ no more playing with you ;p
[09:14] <coz_> vish,  ah oh what did I do ?
[09:14] <vish> you start off with something like " <coz_> '   "  , and it gets us all worked up ;)
[09:15] <coz_> lol
[09:15] <coz_> vish,  oh sorry  my xchat keeps opening with scrollback at the beginning instead of end where I left off
[09:15] <darkmatter> lol
[09:15] <coz_> vish,  so I either /clear ot type some nonsense to get it back
[09:15] <coz_> sorry guys  apparenlty  this is irritiationg
[09:15] <coz_> ittitating
[09:16] <coz_> I am getting complaints from each channel
[09:16] <darkmatter> haha! no more gcsf injections :D
[09:16] <coz_> :)
[09:17] <darkmatter> I was getting sick and tired of poking myself in the stomach :P
[09:17] <coz_> darkmatter,  no doubt..that had to be a pain  << no pun intended
[09:18] <darkmatter> tomorrow bloodwork, dr's appointment on monday, and then maybe they'll leave me alone for a few weeks
[09:18] <coz_> darkmatter,  are you otherwise feeling ok  yes?
[09:19] <darkmatter> cozafter having nurses poke you repeatedly for a couple weeks it's a pain in more ways than one ;)
[09:19] <darkmatter> yup. feeling fine
[09:19] <coz_> cool
[09:37] <kwwii> good morning
[09:48] <darkmatter> coz_: though I must admit, the hospital stay was actually kinda enjoyable at times. the nurses in the chemo ward are sweethearts and most of them are drop-dead gorgeous ;o
[09:48] <darkmatter> morn' kwwii
[09:51] <kwwii> hi darkmatter
[10:02] <thorwil> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/first-fedora-design-ninja-identified
[10:03] <thorwil> lack of hyphenation and bad fonts drag that down, but otherwise it ain't bad


[06:21] <Ongavezirka> Good morning to all "brothers".  I thought not
[16:08] <jpds> I thought it worked for everything?
[16:08] <bazhang> thought I saw Dr_willis say it did not
[16:09] <bazhang> pzombie's story is changing by the moment is the reason I ask
[16:09] <jpds> We should stop thinking and start feeling.
[16:09] <jpds> USE THE SAUCE.
[16:09] <bazhang> hah
[16:17] <elky> The awesome sauce?
[16:24] <ikonia> it "should" work
[16:32] <jpds> elky: The alternative is marmite.
[16:32] <popey> \o/ marmite hilight
[16:33] <ikonia> ha ha
[16:36] <elky> jpds, aww, but marmite is better than the alternatives
[16:38] <elky> Ah, i now read you correctly, but my comment still stands.
[16:39] <jpds> "Use the marmite, Luke".
[16:39] <jpds> Maybe not.
[16:40] <elky> Marmite is The One Thing which popey and I will always agree on.
[16:50] <popey> elky: have you tried Marmite XO?
[16:53] <elky> popey, I don't know that this is a real thing in Australia.
[16:54] <elky> I certainly haven't seen it in the Reeses peanut butter cups^W^W^W^Winternational foods shop
[16:56] <popey> planning on going to UDS?
[16:57] <popey> I think there might be a meeting of marmites again as there was in brussels
[16:57] <maco> whats teh diff between marmite and vegemite?
[16:58] <popey> vegemite is smoother
[16:58] <popey> although NZ marmite differs from UK marmite
[17:03] <elky> popey, I'm trying my best to go to UDS. I have clearance from work, but as yet not sure about the rest of the logistics
[17:06] <Mamarok> for vegemit/marmite lovers if you go to Switzerland pone day, there is Cenovis
[17:06] <Mamarok> one* day
[17:06] <elky> Cenovis I can get here I think. Can't recall where I've seen it.
[17:07] <elky> anyway, bedtime
[17:08]  * txwikinger wonders if you can import marmite into the US
[17:09]  * popey wonders if you can import popey into the US
[18:19] <John-Smith> y0
[18:20] <John-Smith> pu-pu
[18:20] <topyli> John-Smith: hi
[18:20] <John-Smith> hi topyli :)
[18:21] <topyli> anything we can help you with?
[18:21] <John-Smith> yes i want to talk about my girl friend .
[18:22] <jpds> IRC is really not the place for that.
[18:22] <topyli> John-Smith: this is not a very good channel (or network) for that. we can only help you with issues regarding ubuntu channels
[18:23] <John-Smith> ok have a good day dude .
[18:23] <jpds> topyli:
[18:24] <topyli> jpds: can you be a bit more specific please? :)
[18:42] <maco> txwikinger: there's a shop down the street from my place that sells marmite
[18:42] <maco> (also ribena, golden syrup, and irn bru)
[19:06] <funkyHat> We have some Vegemite, from our Australian relatives
[19:07] <funkyHat> The flavour isn't nearly as strong as Marmite
[19:49] <gord> unfortunately, marmite/vegemite are both disgusting, anyone who disagree's is wrong. *fact*
[19:50] <Pici> I've never had either, thankfully.
[19:54] <gord> people will offer it to you and tell you its good, these people are quite evil and are trying to trick you
[19:54] <mneptok> gord: but it's better to recycle than to dump raw sewage in our water supplies.
[19:58] <jussi> gord: you are wrong *fact*
[20:00] <gord> Pici, you see this jussi person here, he's one of these evil people. don't trust him
[20:00] <jussi> lol
[20:00] <Pici> I don't.
[20:03] <jussi> awww
[20:10] <gord> every time anyone talks about australian things i always get http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZdL5qJ1I3I stuck in my head =\ thanks a lot
[20:13] <jpds> Righto.
[20:18] <bazhang> time to set +r ?
[20:20] <IdleOne> might be
[20:20] <bazhang> the bots seemed slow on that one
[20:22] <bazhang> vect is ban dodging
 naw, i'll be back in your shit channel in minute
[20:28] <bazhang> it is now
[20:30] <Pici> Why was vect banned in the first place?
[20:30] <IdleOne> ban evanding
[20:30] <ikonia> in the first place ?
[20:31]  * Pici is asking that
[20:32] <Pici> Why was he banned at :23?
[20:33] <IdleOne> hmm seems when I did a @bansearch I took the +q that had been just set a few moments before and read it as a previous ban
[20:35] <IdleOne> I'll remove both bans on separate hosts for the same user if you say so
[20:35] <Pici> I think that would be best, may want to send a pm/memo explaining too.
[20:36] <bazhang> he and relentless were running a scam some time back
[20:36] <IdleOne> but I think the pm bazhang received and the user clearly wanting to discuss offtopic subject sorta justifies the bans
[20:36] <Pici> It justifies the quiet, but not the bans imo.
[20:36] <bazhang> not finding the previous ban at the moment, but no doubt in my mind
[20:37] <IdleOne> ban removed but for the record I feel it's a mistake to remove them
 ok, which one of my 2000 hosts will alert you?
[20:38] <Pici> I don't doubt that hes a troll, but we shouldn't just leave the bans because we suspect that.
[20:38] <bazhang> he is seriously bad news. some other bans from the past also not appearing in the bt in any way shape or form
[20:39] <maco> bt broken?
[20:39] <IdleOne> there is no suspicion, he has proven himself to be a ban dodger
[20:39] <bazhang> seems to have either not set some due to netsplit or some other reason
[20:39] <IdleOne> minutes after the first ban, justifed or not, he ban evaded
[20:40] <IdleOne> and announced in the channel to show us he did
[20:41] <Pici> Its up to you then.  Hes likely not going to reuse those hosts anyway.
[20:41] <IdleOne> they are already removed
[20:42] <bazhang> I'll remove the +q as well. see how long we need a clear/lasting mark in the bt
[20:53] <bazhang> et voila
[20:59] <bazhang> he's gone at any rate
[21:00] <IdleOne> So yeah, ubanning was a good idea
[21:00] <IdleOne> unbanning*
[21:00] <bazhang> let someone else deal with him
[21:00] <bazhang> I've spent numerous hours PM with him to no avail
[21:01] <IdleOne> I think I need a break
[21:01]  * IdleOne goes to watch some t.v.
[21:01] <IdleOne> 081910-[15:59:45] <vect> If you want to talk about how I give a shit about your bans, and how you're an idiot white knight that doesn't know how to deal with real people, go to #kissmyassfaggot
[21:02] <IdleOne> try to be civil with these trolls and they kick you in the face
[21:02] <bazhang> I hesitate to post some of what my latest PM with him contained. several comments about the gnaa owning #ubuntu though
[21:06] <marienz> vect?
[21:06] <bazhang> marienz, yes
[21:07]  * marienz sighs
[21:07] <marienz> let me just say he's on our radar
[21:07] <bazhang> sorry, after I wrote that, I guessed that g n a a was on staff highlight
[21:08] <marienz> it wasn't, I just randomly looked at this window, believe it or not
[21:08] <bazhang> hah okay thanks
[21:08] <marienz> and don't be afraid of setting off my hilights, it's what they're there for
[21:18] <bazhang> surely we should set +r now
[21:18] <jpds> bazhang: Way ahead of you.
[21:18] <bazhang> jpds, nice
[21:19] <bazhang> well milliseconds, but yeah
[21:19] <jpds> 8 seconds.
[21:19] <bazhang> hehe
[21:19] <bazhang> !lag
[21:20] <jpds> That's a lot when you're competing against the speed of light.
[21:20] <jpds> 11
[22:50] <jpds> No comment.
[22:51] <bazhang> is logmein even legal?
[22:52] <jpds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LogMeIn
 10.10-palin-edition  that make any sense? in +1
[23:46] <bazhang> Raugturi, how can we help you