 this fix should be applied to xfce4-power-manager in ubuntu 13.10 too:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1180513    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1180513/comments/6
[00:18] <Fyodorovna> pepee, I'm sure they will get right on that. ;)
[00:19] <pepee> I hope ;)
[05:10] <tomc603> Hello all, I am running Ubuntu 13.10 (not a novice or new user) and I've noticed that for several weeks now the indicator-messages indicator does not turn blue when I receive a new IM in Empathy. (x-post  from #ubuntu)
[05:11] <tomc603> I do not necessarily think this is a bug, etc. in 13.10...perhaps a package has become uninstalled, or something of that nature.
[05:15] <tomc603> Further details: I've apt-get reinstalled indicator-messages, empathy, etc. I've verified the dconf settings for the indicator/messages includes "empathy.desktop". Obviously I've rebooted as well.
[06:35] <snadge> thats nothing tomc603 .. i've lost my ctrl-alt-t shortcut
[06:35] <snadge> its like the end of the world
[06:35] <snadge> i might add this is specific to gnome fallback session
[06:35] <snadge> on an unrelated note.. the mouse wheel over the volume indicator applet has started working again (in gnome fallback)
[06:35] <snadge> so.. you win some, you lose some ;)
[06:39] <snadge> ive checked the super obvious stuff, like that the keyboard shortcut is defined
[06:39] <pepee> lol
[06:44] <snadge> i tried redefining the ctrl-alt-t shortcut to something else.. and that doesnt work either
[06:44] <snadge> so its not the key capturing thats failing, perhaps its the running the terminal command part thats failing
[06:44] <snadge> im not sure why that would work in unity but not metacity though
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:01] <boneslash> hi Guys I need help just a little bit can someone help me :D
[13:02] <boneslash> Is there any command for downgrading from 13.10 to 13.04 Ubuntu??? :)
[13:03] <jpds_> boneslash: No.
[13:03] <jpds_> !downgrade | boneslash
[13:04] <boneslash> jpds_ : ouch that gotta hurt :D
[13:04] <boneslash> you know my installation wasnt completed It was running only 2,5 hours I think so It wasnt completed :(
[13:05] <boneslash> and for now I my netbook slow as f.ck :D
[13:05] <boneslash> *is
[13:06] <boneslash> !upgrade
[13:07] <boneslash> and I cant restart my system either :/
[13:23] <snadge> so how do i fix ctrl-alt-t shortcut? where are the gurus? :p
[13:40] <boneslash> HI guy I dont need any downgrade so far someone said me there in downgrade I am glad there isnt my problem is gone :)
[13:41] <Pici> okay?
[13:41] <boneslash> Pici, thanks a lot :)
[13:42] <boneslash> Pici, I just had to install another updates and everything is running fine :)
[13:42] <Pici> good
[13:43] <boneslash> Pici do you remember me from yesterday? I was asking you for help in updating I think you gave me very memorable tips thanks a lot again :))
[13:44] <boneslash> so I can say to all that Ubuntu 13.10 is running ok on Acer Aspire one - AOA110 :)
[15:42] <vexati0n> hey ubuntu devs: if "multiarch-support" really replaces "ia32-libs," how about make dpkg realize that.
[15:55] <wilee-nilee> vexati0n, This is not where the devs hang, but good try.
[16:02] <tomc603> I'm having a problem with indicator-messages: When I receive a new IM, the indicator icon does not turn blue. I have re-installed empathy, indicator-messages, and several of the lib dependencies I've found...but still nothing.
[16:02] <tomc603> I've also confirmed "empathy.desktop" is in my dconf settings for the indicator/messages config.
[16:02] <Rory> tomc603: Does it affect all applications or just empathy?
[16:03] <tomc603> Empathy is the only application I really use that would send something to indicator-messages
[16:03] <tomc603> I don't use Thunderbird, in other words
[16:16] <johnjohn101> 4 more weeks
[18:08] <tomc603> No further ideas about indicator-messages or what would prevent it from displaying the blue "new message" icon?
[18:11] <Rory> tomc603: Have you considered reinstalling empathy to rule that out?
[18:12] <Rory> tomc603: Also, you should definitely find out if it's just empathy, or if it's everything that uses that technology
[18:12] <tomc603> I have done that with apt-get install --reinstall empathy empathy-common
[18:13] <tomc603> Rory, I'm not sure how I'd find that out. Though, I suspect XChat is also supposed to set an indicator when you send me a message that mentions my Nick...and if that is the case, it isn't working.
[18:15] <Rory> tomc603: launch dconf-editor, go to com.canonical.indicator.messages
[18:15] <Rory> Is there an entry there called Applications? Or is the Messages section empty?
[18:16] <tomc603> Yep, xchat.desktop is in that list. So, it appeases indicator-messages isn't working for any app
[18:16] <tomc603> Yeah, I already verified that empathy.desktop is in that list as well.
[18:17] <Rory> tomc603: Does this happen in 13.04?
[18:17] <tomc603> I'm not sure. It
[18:17] <tomc603> It's been quite some time since I upgraded
[18:17] <Rory> tomc603: You are aware you're using a not-yet-released version of Ubuntu, I'm just checking?
[18:17] <Rory> So breakage is not just possible, it's expected
[18:18] <tomc603> Yes, I am. But the askubuntu list about indicator-messages is pretty clear that this isn't just a 13.10 issue
[18:18] <Rory> I assumed you did know, but some people who start in #ubuntu recently seem to be getting 13.10 from somewhere without knowing it's not just the latest version
[18:18] <tomc603> Rory, Were this a 13.10 issue, I would expect a bug to be filed...and there is not. Nor is there mention of this issue
[18:18] <Rory> tomc603: Have you considered filing a bug? You'd need to reinstall 13.10 probably to make sure it is actually a bug
[18:19] <tomc603> Yeah, and that's the part I'm trying to avoid.
[18:19] <tomc603> I can easily spin up a VM to test
[18:19] <tomc603> I just don't want to re-install if I can avoid it
[18:22] <Rory> tomc603: Does it happen if you make a new user?
[18:30] <tomc603> Rory, Not too sure. About to create a desktop VM to test
[18:30] <tomc603> Perhaps try to find package differences as well.
[18:31] <Rory> tomc603: Try a new user first it's easier
[18:32] <Rory> tomc603: That will narrow down whether it's a problem with your user's config, or with your system config or something else
[18:32] <tomc603> Rory, I'm at work, so I can't really log out of my desktop
[18:32] <Rory> tomc603: But you can play with a VM?
[18:32] <tomc603> I can start that in the background while working.
[18:32] <Rory> tomc603: You can switch users without logging out
[18:32] <boneslash> sounds pretty dangerous :D
[18:33] <Rory> Hold on you're using 13.10 at work?
[18:33] <Rory> That only just sank in
[18:33] <tomc603> Yes
[18:34] <Rory> What does 13.10 give you that 13.04 doesn't (apart from this problem)
[18:35] <Rory> I think you are foolish, but anyway. Try a new user, try a new installation.
[18:35] <tomc603> Newer kernel, which I needed for testing.
[18:35] <Rory> OK
[18:35] <tomc603> Also, alpha releases are actually moderately stable when you know when you should and shouldn't install updates.
[18:48] <tomc603> Rory, A new user does not receive notifications.
[18:58] <trism> tomc603: assuming the api hasn't changed in 13.10 I have a test app in python you could try to see if it is working at all: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129529/ , also needs a .desktop file to work, something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129531/ in ~/.local/share/applications/
[19:29] <tomc603> Rory, I am creating a bug report now. It's hard for me to believe _none_ of the testers have noticed this yet.
[19:35] <Rory> I think it's about time I installed Ubuntu 13.10 anyway so if you link me the bug report I will keep an eye on it
[19:35] <Rory> And possibly fix it, if it's Python
[19:35] <tomc603> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1220487
[19:39] <tomc603> I just updated the description text to provide more specific details about the dconf settings, and mention the fact that Friends/Gwibber and Xchat do not trigger a new message notification either.
[19:41] <boneslash> I must agree with tom couple minutes ago I change the setttings and it still doesnt seems to notify me about messages, What the ... :)
[19:41] <boneslash> *changed
[19:41] <tomc603> boneslash, If you mark that bug effecting you, it may get more attention
[19:42] <Rory> tomc603: I will mark the bug as affecting me after I test it
[19:42] <tomc603> This isn't a very big deal for social media accounts. But when I don't answer IM from my boss...it's hard to explain a software bug is the cause. :-)
[19:43] <boneslash> tomc603, understand ,thanks for the information :)
[19:43] <Rory> Problem: I have no friends thus no way to test this. Can anybody else triage?
[19:44] <boneslash> no problem just pm to me or tomc603 :D
[19:49] <tomc603> Hey, an update here. the test python app posted by trism does, in fact, cause the icon to go blue.
[19:52] <boneslash> I just must look if someone is writing new messages (red color or blue - my name) but sound notification doesnt work for me :(
[19:53] <tomc603> I presume these are just messages passed on DBUS?
[19:55] <Rory> OK tomc603 I'm booting up a freshly install daily image
[19:56] <tomc603> Updated the bug to include the working script, and attributed trism.
[19:56] <Rory> tomc603: Your system is fully up-to-date yes?
[19:57] <tomc603> Yes
[19:57] <tomc603> I do not enable proposed, though, on Alpha systems. For obvious reasons.
[19:57] <Rory> Of course it is, but I have to ask this stuff
[19:58] <tomc603> Well, the question you skip is usually the one that leads to the answer.
[19:59] <Rory> tomc603: Have you checked the Sounds tab of the Empathy preferences window?
[20:01] <tomc603> I only have the option to enable sound notifications there, as well as the options sound notifications gives you
[20:01] <tomc603> Nothing about visual indicator
[20:01] <Rory> OK I can replicate this
[20:02] <boneslash> I am trying to updating my system every day because I installed Ubuntu 13.10 just today :)


[12:05] <Adri2000> secretlondon: here?
[12:05] <secretlondon> yes
[12:06] <Adri2000> your bug report for ri-li is useless ;)
[12:06] <Adri2000> it will automatically be synced
[12:07] <secretlondon> ok - it was because someone wrote a spec asking for it
[12:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69601 in ubiquity (main) "6.10: Grub crashes during install into root partition (not to MBR)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69601
[12:08] <Adri2000> yep I saw that, much more useless :p
[12:08] <secretlondon> do we automatically sync all of unstable?
[12:08] <Adri2000> s/much/even/
[12:09] <Adri2000> yep
[12:09] <secretlondon> I thought debian unstable had many more packages than we have in universe
[12:13] <Adri2000> I don't know, but I learnt today that there is nothing to do to get a new package from Debian in Ubuntu, it is done during the sync at the beginning of the development cycle
[12:15] <secretlondon> Adri2000: ah, I'd been told otherwise
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69602 in xfwm4 (main) "Compositor in XFWM<IP_ADDRESS>svn+r23334-0ubuntu1 doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69602
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69603 in cdrtools (main) "can't burn cd's at all" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69603
[12:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69604 in ubiquity (main) "Failed install of 6.10 to a multi SATA system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69604
[12:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69211 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic does not work with Dapper" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69211
[01:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69592 in Ubuntu "Gnome Audio Preference crash when testing sound capture" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69592
[01:11] <ajmitch> secretlondon: also, the archive team don't like it if you assign bugs to them
[01:11] <secretlondon> ajmitch: sorry. I thought I was supposed to
[01:11] <ajmitch> due to launchpad splitting the display of assigned/subscribed bugs
[01:11] <secretlondon> ajmitch: what am I supposed to do then?
[01:12] <secretlondon> subscribe them?
[01:12] <ajmitch> if you're filing a sync request (not for something that will get aynced automatically), you subscribe them
[01:12] <ajmitch> s/aync/sync/
[01:13] <ajmitch> it is
[01:13] <ajmitch> DeveloperResources page
[01:13] <ajmitch> which is linked from the front page of the wiki
[01:14] <secretlondon> okay - so i should reject all the bugs I've filed then..
[01:16] <ajmitch> might be good
[01:16] <secretlondon> well i've no desire to piss people off
[01:17] <Burgwork> why just change the assigned to nobody?
[01:18] <ajmitch> Burgwork: because then there'll be an open bug that someone will have to remember to close
[01:18] <Burgwork> right
[01:18] <secretlondon> all rejected - there you go!
[01:18] <Burgwork> are we talking autosyncs?
[01:18] <ajmitch> yes
[01:18] <Burgwork> ah
[01:18] <ajmitch> it's ok to file sync request to drop ubuntu changes
[01:18] <secretlondon> I've no idea - at least one wasn't in dapper, and no-one could tell me what was autosynced
[01:19] <ajmitch> ubuntu ftpmasters trust debian ftpmasters' judgement, and just import
[01:19] <ajmitch> if they didn't, there'd be a horrible mess as we wouldn't get new libraries that existing apps need, etc
[01:19] <secretlondon> as presumably I get blamed for annoying the great and good
[01:20] <secretlondon> but I shan't do that again!
[01:20] <ajmitch> you're not getting blamed for anything
[01:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69605 in beagle (main) "Throbber is too small in Beagle's Search window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69605
[01:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69606 in mozilla (universe) "crash with flash plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69606
[01:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69607 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "DRI very slow on ATI Radeon 9600" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69607
[01:24] <secretlondon> so is everything from debian unstable synced?
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69218 in wesnoth (universe) "[SYNC Request]  wesnoth-sotbe from Debian" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69218
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69219 in wesnoth (universe) "[SYNC Request]  wesnoth-tdh from Debian" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69219
[01:27] <ajmitch> pretty much, unless it's blacklisted
[01:27] <ajmitch> things like 2.4 kernels, etc are blacklisted for good reasons
[01:27] <secretlondon> ok - I thought universe was much smaller than debian unstable
[01:27] <ajmitch> nope
[01:27] <ajmitch> main+universe is probably larger than debian
[01:28] <secretlondon> ok
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69196 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes when right clicking a flash aplication" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69196
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69608 in gproftpd (universe) "gproftpd config file is in the wrong place" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69608
[01:49] <secretlondon> Hi Hobbsee
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey secretlondon :)
[01:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69609 in Ubuntu "Live CD boots without screen display on dual head" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69609
[02:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68951 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Broadcom 43xx requieres modprobe and goes off after some time" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68951
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68840 in gaim (main) "Crash after deleting account" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68840
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68870 in gdm (main) "Close laptop lid and X resets (power managment set to do nothing. Only in Edgy)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68870
[03:08] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69530 in Ubuntu "Problem with keys (/,?.) on Edgy console with abnt2 keyboard layout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69530
[03:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69611 in vim (main) "jump to last position when reopening file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69611
[03:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69612 in firefox (main) "view info crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69612
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69498 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:560" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69498
[03:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69184 in gedit (main) "gedit error "Could not create a backup file" when trying to save a file in a VFAT partition" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69184
[03:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69613 in firefox (main) "if you select some text and copy it then close firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69613
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69325 in Ubuntu "Bootable USB Flash Drive version of Kubuntu Edgy LiveCD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69325
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69614 in avidemux (multiverse) "Include latest available release candidate of avidemux in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69614
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69178 in xorg (main) "X doesn't launch with voodoo 3 3000" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69178
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69615 in firefox (main) "not showing pages - crashed after some while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69615
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69458 in postfix (main) "Postfix fail on init.d start" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69458
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69617 in totem (main) "totem-mozilla doesn't work on basically anything" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69617
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69405 in tzdata (main) "Time Zone wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69405
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69618 in openoffice.org (main) "Open a document by right clicking, lose menu buttons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69618
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69619 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed - out of space?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69619
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69536 in sane-frontends (universe) "atp870u SCSI module and Acer Flatbed Scanner: out of memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69536
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69620 in linux-meta (main) "Issues with sound on intel-hda in Edgy (2.6.17)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69620
[05:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69322 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Touchpad freezes on Acer Aspire 1500, making X unusable." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69322
[05:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69621 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Ensoniq ES1371 sound card doesn't work after edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69621
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69295 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "no keyboard sometimes, following dapper -> edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69295
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69324 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Hang on Suspend... and shutdown..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69324
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69622 in gnome-utils (main) "can't open gnome-system-log" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69622
[05:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69546 in update-manager (main) "Update to edgy fails due to already removed package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69546
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69623 in rhythmbox (main) "'last played' doesn't updated on internet radio stations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69623
[05:49] <towsonu2003> hi
[05:53] <andresmujica> Hi Towsonu2003
[05:53] <andresmujica> can you help me testing a bug ?
[05:53] <andresmujica> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/27084
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27084 in kdepim "kmail vs. gssapi" [Unknown,Unknown]
[05:58] <towsonu2003> andresmujica, sorry -I don't have kde
[06:01] <andresmujica> uops..
[06:01] <andresmujica> well no problem
[06:01] <andresmujica> i'm trying to reproduce the bug. with success !!! in 2 computers.
[06:01] <andresmujica> but i've got another one and i cannot reproduce it there.
[06:02] <andresmujica> and i cannot find the difference... :(
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69156 in libgphoto2 (main) "Missing gphoto value for Kodak EasyShare CD33" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69156
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69624 in hal (main) "Brightness fluctuates after Lock-Screen " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69624
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69625 in firefox (main) "Firefox shuts down everytime" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69625
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69626 in gaim (main) "gaim crashes everytime when quit." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69626
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69627 in tangerine-icon-theme (main) "menubar icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69627
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69629 in kopete (main) "Kopete doesn't only lets you insert newlines at the beginning of messages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69629
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69630 in Ubuntu "AMD Turion 64 X2 won't boot Edgy Eft 64-bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69630
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69631 in kdebase (main) "Kubuntu Edgy font installer not sudo aware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69631
[07:39] <towsonu2003> we really get too many bugs, don't we? :(
[07:47] <BHSPitLappy> maybe someone could tell ubuntu not to cook my laptop when I leave it alone?
[07:47] <towsonu2003> lol
[07:47] <BHSPitLappy> but really
[07:47] <towsonu2003> doesn't it cook it (heat issue I guess) while you're around?
[07:48] <BHSPitLappy> it cooks when I close the lid and leave it unattended.
[07:48] <BHSPitLappy> because it decides to turn power back on to the screen while its closed
[07:48] <crimsun> BHSPitLappy: have you isolated the kernel patch(es) from upstream?
[07:48] <BHSPitLappy> and the thing gets dangerously hot
[07:48] <BHSPitLappy> crimsun, no
[07:48] <crimsun> [if in fact the kernel is to blame]
[07:49] <BHSPitLappy> well, at SOME level the OS needs to understand that when the lid is closed, the screen should power on under NO circumstances
[07:49] <Burgundavia> it does
[07:49] <Burgundavia> likely you are having issues with your bios
[07:49] <towsonu2003> I presume you filed a bug report (not that anyone will be able to fix it right away, but, yea...)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> have you filed bugs?
[07:49] <BHSPitLappy> the screensaver and other factors seem to have the right to turn the power back on
[07:49] <BHSPitLappy> (while closed)
[07:50] <BHSPitLappy> towsonu2003, there are bug reports that fit with my problem
[07:51] <Burgundavia> BHSPitLappy: file a new bug
[07:51] <Burgundavia> it is likely a bios issue
[07:51] <towsonu2003> screensaver, hmm, what happens when you turn off the screensaver? still cooks? I dunno what else would activate the screen except a video
[07:51] <BHSPitLappy> funny how it's a bios issue, with a mainstream and widely-owned system
[07:52] <BHSPitLappy> Burgundavia, if it were a BIOS issue, then why would it take place in Ubuntu but not in XP
[07:52] <BHSPitLappy> it's really hard to label the BIOS as the culprit, knowing that
[07:53] <Burgundavia> BHSPitLappy: it is an "ubuntu doesn't understand your bios" issue
[07:53] <BHSPitLappy> better-stated...
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <towsonu2003> screensaver, hmm, what happens when you turn off the screensaver? still cooks?
[07:54] <towsonu2003> good morning :)
[07:54] <BHSPitLappy> towsonu2003, dunno.
[07:54] <dholbach> hi towsonu2003
[07:54] <BHSPitLappy> I don't really want to file a bug report until I see how it behaves with edgy
[07:54] <BHSPitLappy> although, dapper is supposed to be LTS'd
[07:55] <towsonu2003> I'd try without a screensaver (to test workarounds, for yourself, bc bugs won't get fixed fast...)
[07:55] <towsonu2003> lts is only for security fixes and really severe bugs
[07:55] <towsonu2003> it's kinda hard to get devels to backport a fix to dapper unless it's security
[07:56] <BHSPitLappy> nobody cares how "secure" my hardware's well-being is? ;)
[07:56] <BHSPitLappy> but yeah, when I have auto-shutdowns due to CPU temperature thresholds, because ubuntu can't keep my screen turned off, that's bad... :(
[07:57] <towsonu2003> as long as you phrase your arguments in a very "persuasive" way :p
[07:57] <towsonu2003> oh, if you're getting shutdowns, they will backport the fix
[07:58] <towsonu2003> system crashes are considered "really severe" bugs
[07:58] <towsonu2003> disclaimer needed: I'm speaking from experience...
[07:59] <BHSPitLappy> can you consider it a crash?
[07:59] <BHSPitLappy> I'm talking about the shutdown feature built-in to the motherboard, that keeps the processor from overheating
[08:00] <towsonu2003> I'd consider that a crash, and a dangerous one.
[08:00] <BHSPitLappy> and that's really unsettling when that has to take effect, especially when you're not even there when it happens
[08:00] <towsonu2003> too many overeatings (or if for some reason laptop forgets to shutdown) and your cpu is toast.
[08:00] <BHSPitLappy> I don't know precisely how to trigger the "bug" at hand
[08:01] <BHSPitLappy> and I'm out of warranty...
[08:02] <towsonu2003> wasn't the trigger: 1-close lid; 2-wait 3-?? 4-cook? or did we start talking about another bug?
[08:02] <BHSPitLappy> heh
[08:02] <BHSPitLappy> yeah
[08:03] <BHSPitLappy> that's as about as narrow a definition as "ubuntu crashes when I use it"
[08:03] <BHSPitLappy> what happens to bugs like that
[08:03] <towsonu2003> heheh
[08:03] <towsonu2003> I dunno...
[08:04] <towsonu2003> I'd try turning off the screensaver and try
[08:04] <towsonu2003> if that solves your problem, then you're gonna have a good bug report
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> well
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> it doesn't even happen immediately
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> so I wouldn't know if it helped or not
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> it's pretty fickly
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> s/fickly/fickle/
[08:05] <towsonu2003> how often does it occur? evrytime? once a week? and how long does it take to "cook" itself?
[08:06] <BHSPitLappy> any time I leave it unattended for work, school, sleep, etc
[08:06] <BHSPitLappy> with the lid closed of course
[08:06] <BHSPitLappy> when I leave it open, the heat isn't an issue
[08:07] <towsonu2003> then it's fairly easy to test whether it's the screensaver, or some other software, or the kernel (independent of the software used)
[08:07] <towsonu2003> disable the screensaver for good from System>Preferences
[08:08] <towsonu2003> close the lid and watch some tv
[08:08] <BHSPitLappy> I don't have/watch TV
[08:08] <towsonu2003> lol
[08:08] <BHSPitLappy> my desktop is the entertainment fixture in my room :D
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69632 in gaim (main) "Totem doesn't resize window when choosing zoom" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69632
[08:31] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> towsonu2003, what would I file the bug under, by the way
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> I never know
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> just the Ubuntu distro itself? or some subset of power management
[08:34] <towsonu2003> are you on edgy?
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> or xscreensaver or etc
[08:34] <towsonu2003> I forgot
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> no
[08:34] <towsonu2003> dapper right
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> I'm gonna upgrade this thing soon
[08:34] <towsonu2003> I'm sleepy
[08:34] <towsonu2003> it's gonna go to linux-source-2.6.15
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> Sleepy Salamander
[08:38] <towsonu2003> BHSPitLappy, when you upgrade and [if]  the problem remains, click on "affects distribution" and file to linux-source-2.6.17 as well.
[08:38] <towsonu2003> so they'll know edgy is bad as well (figurative speech)
[08:38] <BHSPitLappy> ok
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69461 in nautilus-sendto (main) "Crash on send to..." [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69461
[08:45] <dholbach> 1041 extra Open bugs since UWN #19
[08:47] <towsonu2003> ouch
[08:47] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[08:47] <dholbach> 1591 extra "all bugs ever reported" since UWN #19
[08:47] <dholbach> so we CAN say we put some efforts in there
[08:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:48] <towsonu2003> I wish you could employ more developers...
[08:49] <towsonu2003> [I mean that in a good way :) ]
[08:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: were there plans to employ more people at canonical, did you know, speaking of that?
[08:50] <crimsun> there are still a number of positions listed as being open on the Employment page
[08:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: true
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69510 in gzip (main) "gzip unlinks input before closing output, results in data loss" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69510
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69532 in update-manager (main) "CD dist-upgrade needs to be able to update itself from the net" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69532
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69633 in Ubuntu "ipw2200 firmware error -> GDM shuts down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69633
[08:51] <dholbach> and I guess that people doing outstanding work and being real good always have a chance
[08:52] <Hobbsee> dholbach: true.  i've got no hope then :P
[08:52] <towsonu2003> think about me.... no hope at all ehueh
[09:04] <tortho> can someone help me with trying to get bluetooth work under gnome.. devices can see pc but not connect. pc does not see any devices as far as i know.
[09:06] <towsonu2003> tortho, you'll need to go either to #ubuntu (chat room) or ubuntuforums.org to ask help
[09:06] <towsonu2003> ask help = ask for help
[09:07] <tortho> done that, no help, and i feel a little strange about this bluetooth not working on this laptop... i can see bu googling that people have tryed some things to get it to work, but i can't.. :-(
[09:08] <dholbach> launchpad.net/support might help too
[09:09] <dholbach> or try http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth/TestPlan
[09:09] <tortho> thanks a lot, will try that test
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69634 in Ubuntu "Cant mount "memory stick" under eft" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69634
[09:12] <towsonu2003> is that #69634 udev or kernel now?
[09:12] <crimsun> likely linux-source-2.6.17
[09:12] <crimsun> .17 is much more strict regarding usb 2.0 devices than .15
[09:13] <towsonu2003> thanks :)
[09:13] <crimsun> a common symptom is that usb 2.0 devices that worked via powered hubs in .15 no longer work under .17
[09:13] <tortho> that #69634 did not work in dapper either..
[09:13] <towsonu2003> I hate to assign bugs to the kernel...
[09:13] <tortho> for the last 2 months
[09:14] <crimsun> are you connecting the phone directly into the motherboard?
[09:14] <crimsun> (I commented already)
[09:15] <tortho> connected via usb cable
[09:15] <tortho> and without hub
[09:15] <crimsun> ok, and it was cleanly unmounted?
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68950 in gnome-screensaver (main) "screensaver starts first time but not after" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68950
[09:16] <towsonu2003> ah it's a duplicate
[09:17] <crimsun> quite likely
[09:17] <tortho> crimsun: got a message that it is not mounted.
[09:18] <crimsun> I presume it uses vfat?
[09:18] <tortho> yes
[09:19] <towsonu2003> just fyi bug # 62469 (marked) which seems to have patches
[09:19] <crimsun> heh, I just pulled up that patch from 17 oct
[09:21] <towsonu2003> which means? (english problem)
[09:22] <crimsun> marking fix committed.
[09:22] <crimsun> http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c0fc0ee06f6c9ab37f53afc62b0d94a700fa7a97
[09:22] <towsonu2003> great :)
[09:22] <crimsun> already merged in the current 2.6.19-4.4
[09:22] <tortho> so that means soon to be included? thanks!
[09:23] <crimsun> the kernel was already uploaded to feisty
[09:23] <towsonu2003> in 6 months with the new release of ubuntu
[09:23] <tortho> ahh :-(
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69635 in openoffice.org (main) "OOo-Writer blocks on importing *this* file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69635
[09:27] <crimsun> triaged.
[09:27] <crimsun> 62469, that is.
[09:27] <Burgundavia> crimsun: can we clone you?
[09:27] <crimsun> you'll have to ask my clones
[09:30] <Burgundavia> right
[09:36] <towsonu2003> bug # 62469 - will a fix go to 2.6.17, or should we close (reject) that one?
[09:37] <crimsun> I'm investing the Edgy side of it
[09:37] <crimsun> investigating, even
[09:37] <crimsun> it's not as simple as generating a git changeset for unusualdevs, since there're additional usb subsystem changes involved
[09:38] <crimsun> if it doesn't take a tremendous amount of effort, I'll handle the Edgy side (generate a git changeset and send to kernel-team@ )
[09:44] <towsonu2003> thanks :)
[09:45] <towsonu2003> I'll send a spec to google labs so they clone you asap
[09:45] <towsonu2003> see you later (I'm really sleepy now)
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69636 in openssh (main) "Segmentation fault in ssh" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69636
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69375 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "easy-fix Mounting luks-filesystems only works once pr. login" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69375
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68900 in inkscape (main) "Cannot narrow Inkscape window" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68900
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69637 in x-ttcidfont-conf (main) "'fonts.dir' not found in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69637
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69638 in nautilus (main) "Remove unmount progress dialog" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69638
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69125 in gimp (main) "The program suddently crashed...." [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69125
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69030 in xmms-status-plugin (universe) "xmms-status-plugin causes gnome-panel to crash" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69030
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69416 in gnome-session (main) "gnome-session-properties i cant save any modifications" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69416
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69640 in libnet-dbus-perl (main) "Please sync libnet-dbus-perl 0.33.3-1.1 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69640
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69641 in openoffice.org (main) "Paste from clipboard crashes OpenOffice.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69641
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69642 in kdebase (main) "Sun Java does not work out of the box" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69642
[11:11] <Hobbsee> ...and how is that a problem with kde base?
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69281 in gnome-panel (main) "panel hangs while opening a network place from the menu" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69281
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69451 in gst (main) "NFS shares cannot be unshared" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69451
[11:24] <cbx33> ping mdz
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69643 in knetworkmanager (main) "no wireless networks after upgrade to 0.1-0ubuntu1 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69643
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69644 in dbus-python (main) "Please sync dbus-python 0.71-3 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69644
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69645 in dbus-sharp (main) "Please sync dbus-sharp 0.63.git.20060719-4 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69645
[11:26] <Mez> Hobbsee, actually it does refer to kdebase ;)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> Mez: ish.
[11:26] <Mez> it's a bug with konqueror not picking up the path to java... not java not working
[11:27] <cbx33> is mdz the maintainer of the mythtv stuff?
[11:27] <Mez> Maintainer: MOTU-Media<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:27] <cbx33> hmm....the mythdvd pacakge says mdz
[11:28] <Mez> Maintainer: MOTU-Media<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:28] <Mez> not for me ;)
[11:28] <cbx33> not mythtv
[11:28] <cbx33> mythdvd
[11:28] <Mez> cbx, I just ran
[11:28] <Mez> /exec -o apt-cache show mythdvd | grep Maintainer
[11:29] <cbx33> oh
[11:29] <cbx33> well LP shows something different
[11:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69509 in vmware-player (multiverse) "vmware-player uninstallable running default kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69509
[11:30] <Mez> /exec -o apt-cache show mythdvd | grep Source
[11:30] <Mez> Source: mythplugins
[11:30] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/mythplugins/0.20-0.6ubuntu4
[11:30] <Mez> where are you looking ?
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69646 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice often corrupts all formatting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69646
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69647 in cli-common (main) "Please sync cli-common 0.4.6 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69647
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69648 in synaptic (main) "Misleading "To be installed" list when *unmarking* package with uninstalled dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69648
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69651 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Can't rip DVDs in mythdvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69651
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69444 in firefox (main) "Ubuntu's Firefox DOM Inspector is incompatible with Ubuntu's Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69444
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69652 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "HCI Input stuffs bt keyboard/mouse on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69652
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69653 in mono-tools (main) "Please sync mono-tools 1.1.17-1 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69653
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69654 in pyracerz (universe) "Missing dependecy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69654
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69655 in castle-combat (universe) "Missing dependecy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69655
[12:16] <simira> what package is the date and time on the gnome-panel? Part og gnome-panel-applets?
[12:22] <dholbach> simira: gnome-panel
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69656 in scilab (multiverse) "Missing modelica compiler modelicac" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69656
[12:30] <simira> dholbach: no bugs in gnome-panel? Your life's too easy!
[12:30] <dholbach> not really....
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69657 in firefox (main) "Firefox and Java & w/o Java" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69657
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69658 in scilab (multiverse) "Current version does not contain bugfixes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69658
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69659 in ubuntu-meta (main) "[newbie]  grub / boot pbm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69659
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69660 in nunit2.2 (main) "Please sync nunit2.2 2.2.0-3.1 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69660
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69661 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql-server package should allow to set root password during installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69661
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69662 in lftp (main) "crashed without any apparent reason" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69662
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69663 in Ubuntu "firefox "pt" localization" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69663
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69664 in openoffice.org (main) "document in which calc mistreats a date " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69664
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69665 in nautilus (main) "Home folder and desktop are hidden in some browser apps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69665
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69666 in openoffice.org (main) "ctl-q doesn't close the program if hitted after ctl-w" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69666
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69667 in synaptic (main) "settings->preferences->apply/OK causes freeze and 100% cpu use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69667
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69545 in rhythmbox (main) "Lyrics extension can't contact server" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69545
[01:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69508 in ubuntu-meta (main) "File manager preferences located inconsistently" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69508
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69668 in xorg (main) "NVIDIA propietary driver doesn't works with Xinerama" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69668
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69382 in Ubuntu "Firefox freezes on audio files when right clicking, Save Link As" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69382
[02:01] <gnomefreak> since when do we take bugs on nvidia drivers from nvidia.com?
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68904 in upstart (main) "upstart causes hang on boot (possible inotify)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68904
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69670 in firefox (main) "Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69670
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69172 in util-linux (main) "my swap disappeared after upgrade to edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69172
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69671 in libraw1394 (main) "Please sync libraw1394 1.2.1-2 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69671
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69672 in sqlite (main) "Please sync sqlite 2.8.17-1 from debian/unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69672
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69273 in udev (main) "Kubuntu 6.10 umounts uuid devices after relogin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69273
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69673 in dpkg (main) "Mistake in dpkg-source manpage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69673
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68842 in udev (main) "dapper->edgy upgrade breaks smbfs mounts in /etc/fstab" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68842
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69516 in udev (main) "/dev/null: Permission denied" [High,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69516
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69674 in Ubuntu "NVIDIA drivers make ttys not to show special characters in Ubuntu Edgy Eft" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69674
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69675 in firefox (main) "Firefox application's logo in edgy is old one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69675
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69676 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "emacs snapshot opens with scratchpad even if filename is provided" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69676
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69678 in firefox (main) "crash when saving a video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69678
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69680 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) ""sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" script doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69680
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69681 in timidity (universe) "Xaw interface will only work with LANG=C" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69681
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69683 in firefox (main) "Crash to click a new link " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69683
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69684 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install does not install i18n packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69684
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69539 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed when viewing the xen documentation website" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69539
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69685 in network-manager (main) "Please integrate PPTP with network-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69685
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69687 in firefox (main) "JavaScript Causes Firefox 2.0 to Crash in Ubuntu (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69687
[03:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69689 in meld (universe) "Missing dependency on patch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69689
[03:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69688 in network-manager (main) "Evolution tasks are incompatible to Outlook tasks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69688
[03:56] <bddebian> Boo
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69690 in Ubuntu "There is no file infix-RPN.tex for pst-infixplot in TexLive " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69690
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69691 in totem (main) "Totem-gstreamer doesn't play Mpeg-TS-video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69691
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69692 in kdepim (main) "Kontact freeze after double-clicking on contact in kaddressbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69692
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69693 in Ubuntu "Installing over Mandriva " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69693
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69694 in nautilus (main) "Can't search in Nautilus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69694
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69695 in d4x (universe) "d4x <IP_ADDRESS> in edgy - status icon has solid background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69695
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69696 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69696
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69697 in libpam-ldap (universe) "libpam-ldap is vulnerable: CVE-2006-5170" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69697
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69698 in aircrack-ng (universe) "airodump-ng is unable to set monitor mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69698
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69699 in Ubuntu "LiveCD has many startup errors on Powerbook when clock is not set" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69699
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69700 in bash (main) ".bash_profile never executed for graphical logins." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69700
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69701 in tktable (universe) "tktable installs faulty pkgIndex.tcl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69701
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69702 in xchat-gnome (main) ""/me"-actions are displayed incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69702
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69217 in lvm-common (main) "lvm on cryptsetup with initramfs infinite loop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69217
[05:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69167 in gnome-games (main) "Mahjongg: highscore list stays empty." [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69167
[05:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69179 in human-icon-theme (main) "'Question Mark' icon isn't themed, looks out of place" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69179
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68880 in Ubuntu "kubuntu edgy starts X but screen stays dark (black)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68880
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69705 in kde-guidance (main) "A/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69705
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69706 in kde-guidance (main) "A/V is out of Sync on Kaffeine in Kubuntu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69706
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69707 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice hangs forever after choosing Save As Docbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69707
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69708 in selinux-policy-default (universe) "does not install properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69708
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69709 in network-manager (main) "wrong signal level on Macbook with Atheros chip" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69709
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69710 in firefox (main) "Firefox 2 and Flash crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69710
[05:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69344 in pioneers (universe) "segfault when moving slider" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69344
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69711 in aspell-fr (main) "aspell-fr fails to suggest correct word when 2 accents or more are missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69711
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69712 in brightside (universe) "Prevent screensaver starting is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69712
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69713 in gnome-art (universe) "Can't install or download themes!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69713
[05:50] <secretlondon> hi
[05:50] <jjesse> hello secretlondon
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69715 in uswsusp (universe) "s2disk segfaults" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69715
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69267 in vim (main) "vim-gnome doesn't open non-ascii filenames by double click" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69267
[06:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69232 in swi-prolog (universe) "SWI-Prolog.h not available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69232
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68915 in jokosher (universe) "Crash when fast forwarding in song" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68915
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69717 in Ubuntu "[acx]  failed to free tx buffers - maybe card too hot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69717
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68968 in xorg (main) "Randomly garbled display, secondary screen, dual-head" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68968
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69718 in powersave (universe) "powersaved should disable bluetooth service before suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69718
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69383 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Key can_suspend_to_ram missing" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69383
[06:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68908 in frozen-bubble (universe) "New version available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68908
[06:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69719 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69719
[06:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69720 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Xubuntu Edgy PPC will not load CDs on G5 single." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69720
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69721 in firefox (main) "Firefox 2.0 doesn't respect SVG gradient spreadMethod="pad"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69721
[06:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69087 in pmount (main) "does not find devices by label/uuid" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69087
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69722 in adept (main) "Adept installer quits unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69722
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69724 in mawk (main) "Mawk does not support Posix character classes in expressions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69724
[06:53] <pradeep> dholbach, which upstream should this bug be filed under? #68695
[06:53] <dholbach> bug 68695
[06:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68695 in gnome-screensaver "Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace when the screen is locked kills the X session" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68695
[06:53] <pradeep> sorry
[06:54] <dholbach> bugs.gnome.org
[06:54] <dholbach> it has a gnome-screensaver component
[06:54] <dholbach> pradeep: not to worry
[06:54] <dholbach> I removed the 'security' tag
[06:54] <pradeep> dholbach, why ? :(
[06:55] <dholbach> as it doesn't give the 'attacker' (who has physical access to your box anyway(!)) a shell
[06:55] <dholbach> it's annoying, yes, because it kills your session
[06:55] <pradeep> dholbach, but it does disturb the integrity/access control of the system
[06:55] <dholbach> but I fail to see where it's a security threat
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69725 in console-setup (main) "Upgrade from dapper to edgy changed Caps_Lock to Shift_Lock" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69725
[06:56] <dholbach> the attacker could turn off the box too
[06:56] <dholbach> but that has nothing to do with security
[06:57] <pradeep> dholbach, correct me if I'm wrong but a security  vuln need not always result in the attacker getting the shell
[07:01] <dholbach> pradeep: ok, if you like, add it again - I personally wouldn't consider it a security threat, but maybe keescook or pitti can bring more light and another opinion into the discussion
[07:04] <pradeep> dholbach, That's ok. I was applying my textbook definition of a vuln. :/
[07:04] <keescook> pradeep: generally we view "physical access" as having root.  :)  I wouldn't flag it as security, and I bet there could be debate about this being a bug or a feature.  :P
[07:05] <keescook> pradeep: but always best to be on the safe side, so that's good that you defaulted to marking it that way, since there was question.
[07:08] <keescook> hm, is there already wiki page that goes over how to build a new package from a debdiff, for people that don't know how to do it?
[07:08] <pradeep> keescook, thanks :)
[07:08] <keescook> I showed someone on #ubuntu how to do it, as he was anxious for the vino fix.
[07:08] <Burgwork> keescook: the best people to ask for that are in #ubuntu-motu
[07:09] <keescook> Burgwork: good point!  :)
[07:09] <jjesse> does the packaging guide cover that?
[07:09] <jjesse> i think it should
[07:11] <crimsun> not explicitly
[07:11] <crimsun> it's implied via https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-updating.html
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69727 in totem (main) "totem-video-thumbnailer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69727
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69728 in Ubuntu "kubuntu.rss not useable in firefox and thunderbird" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69728
[07:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69266 in imlib2 (main) "Please sync imlib2 (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69266
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69729 in amule (universe) "aMule exit if I closed search tab." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69729
[07:27] <Burgwork> keescook: you're having a bumper day with security announcements, eh?
[07:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69730 in kdegraphics (main) "Problem with printing the attached file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69730
[07:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69731 in evince (main) "(Edgy) Evince 0.6.1 has bad fonts rendering" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69731
[07:33] <incinerator> hi folks, I've got a question: In malone, is it possible to delete an association of a bug report with a product?
[07:33] <incinerator> I've accidentall associated a certain bug report with a second product and would like to make it go away
[07:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69527 in Ubuntu "Supermount?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69527
[07:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69732 in qgo (universe) "seqfault on launch in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69732
[07:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69733 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Tomboy refuses to load in Xubuntu Edgy PPC." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69733
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69734 in ispell (main) "Error when install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69734
[07:44] <palski> When I know that the bug is fixed in upstream CVS should I change the status to "in progress" or "fix committed" or just leave it be "confirmed"?
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69526 in xorg (main) "xorg freezes" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69526
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69735 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Danish keymapping for Apple white USB keyboards AWOL in Xubuntu Edgy PPC." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69735
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69736 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "install script problem for graphviz-cairo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69736
[07:51] <keescook> Burgwork: yeah, with the security queue open again, pitti and I have been able to release a bunch of stuff that's been queued up.  :)
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69737 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Startup splash in Xubuntu Edgy PPC extremely pixelated and w green background." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69737
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69738 in xjdic (universe) "[PATCH]  Termio bug in xjdic client/standalone" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69738
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69739 in debian-installer (main) "Wording on Edubuntu LAN card detection screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69739
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69741 in gnome-network (universe) "network-admin does not store changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69741
[08:05] <pradeep> good night
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69740 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed (Ubuntu 6.06)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69740
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69742 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Xubuntu Edgy PPC printer setup wizard can't configure Epson printer." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69742
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69480 in firefox (main) "Crash to login last.fm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69480
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69744 in vlc (universe) "vlc crashes in dvb-frequency field" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69744
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69745 in Ubuntu "copy/paste crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69745
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69252 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69252
[08:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69747 in ubiquity (main) "VGN-S5HP SONY SUB-NOTEBOOK INSTALLATION" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69747
[08:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69749 in php5 (main) "pcre header file missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69749
[08:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69746 in grub (main) "Default config causes dual-boot problem (fresh install of Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69746
[08:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69748 in acpi-support (main) "Why don't bugs get fixed when a solution is provided" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69748
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69750 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes after clicking link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69750
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62771 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "X server crashes opening XML file in bluefish" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62771
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69751 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Oops: 0002 [#1]  (Process ntpd)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69751
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69752 in beagle (main) "beagled-helper and beagle run away with CPU and memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69752
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69754 in kopete (main) "Edgy:  kopete sending   instead of space" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69754
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69103 in cryptsetup (universe) "Edgy's cryptsetup not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69103
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69753 in firefox (main) "Firefox vanishes shortly after opening" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69753
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69490 in module-init-tools (main) "Wifi LED not working on a Compaq nc6210" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69490
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69756 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes even though I don't have it open." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69756
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68911 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash for unknown reason. " [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68911
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69158 in ndiswrapper (main) "ndiswrapper-utils downgraded from dapper" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69158
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69390 in ndiswrapper (main) "my wireless stopped working after edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69390
[09:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69102 in texlive-lang (universe) "Error installing texlive-lang-norwegian (fmtutil-sys failed)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69102
[09:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69758 in vlc (universe) "Crash watching shoutcast TV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69758
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69356 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "fails to mount root filesystem on Shuttle SN85g4(v2)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69356
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69759 in gnome-session (main) "Patch for compositing disable hibernate and suspend from logout dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69759
[09:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68859 in Ubuntu "Cannot do 32-bit C compile on 64-bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68859
[09:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68963 in ltsp (main) "PS/2 Mouse stops working after upgrade to edgy" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68963
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69760 in mailman (main) "TypeError: iso-8859-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69760
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69761 in livehttpheaders (universe) "LiveHttpHeaders v0.12 incompatible with FireFox 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69761
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69762 in blender (universe) "blender crashes, then Xorg crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69762
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69763 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa (main) "VESA driver does not work on MacBook Pro: image distorted, slanted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69763
[10:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69764 in lat (universe) "lat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69764
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69765 in texlive-base (universe) "Dependency for beamer package missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69765
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69766 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "adept does not display license agreement when installing sun java" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69766
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69767 in sbackup (universe) "Time for backup always reverts to "never"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69767
[10:29] <EmxBA> look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/69768
[10:29] <EmxBA> *very* strange and is not a duplicate
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69769 in pgadmin3 (universe) "crash on "connect"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69769
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69046 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Kernel panic at boot time on 64bit generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69046
[10:37] <secretlondon> EmxBA: I'm getting forbidden on 69768
[10:37] <secretlondon> i suspect it's been made private or something
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69772 in ubiquity (main) "grubinstaller failed - installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69772
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69773 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "via-rhine only allows access to one interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69773
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69774 in phpmyadmin (universe) "PMASA-2006-6: XSS vulnerability" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69774
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69775 in gtk-sharp2 (main) "installation of libgtk2.0-cil should be dependent on libmono-cairo2.0-cil" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69775
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69548 in firefox-themes-ubuntu (main) "Lock Icon Missing in Tango FF Theme" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69548
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69768 in gaim (main) "Unexpected crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69768
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69776 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "OO.org Writer crashes in Xubuntu Edgy PPC." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69776
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69777 in gnome-panel (main) "Menu has no highlighting " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69777
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69778 in Ubuntu "[Ubuntu Edgy]  jigdo-lite reports checksum mismatch for latest daily jigdo template" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69778
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68847 in gksu (main) "language/locale issue with gksu after updating to edgy" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68847
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69779 in Ubuntu "usb storage mounted with wrong permission" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69779
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69780 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse (universe) "Vmmouse package should be in main instead of universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69780
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69781 in acpi (main) "Touchpad works even if switched off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69781
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69782 in Ubuntu "cdimage.ubuntu.com directory for edgy only includes dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69782
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69783 in gnome-launch-box (universe) "Segfault when enter 1 letter (UTF-8 issue ?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69783
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69784 in cupsys (main) "hp laserjet 6l simply doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69784
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69785 in tetex-base (main) "Links in /usr/share/doc/tetex-doc/index.html broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69785


[15:35] <sakrecoer> autumna, OvenWerks: what is the name of the file to remove after the whisker menu is broken?
[15:36] <autumna> I put it in the bug report, one sec
[15:36] <autumna> (which reminds me I need to recheck and report back to the bug)
[15:38] <sakrecoer> thanks autumna :)
[15:38] <autumna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1362452
[15:38] <autumna> ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu.bck
[15:38] <autumna> ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/user-ubuntustudio-audioproduction.menu
[15:38] <autumna> ~/.config/menus/gnome-applications-merged/user-ubuntustudio-audioproduction.menu
[15:38] <autumna> reverts the menu back to correct structure.
[15:40] <autumna> sakrecoer: see above
[15:40] <autumna> (realized I forgot to tag you)
[15:41] <sakrecoer> ah ok, i thought it was this one: bug #1430571
[15:44] <autumna> sakrecoer: possibly same bug presenting itself in different ways in different versions of the menu? I am not certain. I filed that comment in latter a while ago. :)
[15:46] <sakrecoer> :)
[16:03] <sakrecoer> i think i will remove all the subteams from ubuntustudio-documentation except ubuntustudio-core and apply that as a group with wiki.ubuntu.com editing
[16:04] <sakrecoer> permissions even during lockdown
[16:04] <sakrecoer> :) yeah, there are 2missing  '"' there :)
[16:04]  * sakrecoer copied the xubuntu rt ticket :p
[16:30] <OvenWerks> .config/menus should be empty
[16:32] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: you may also like to check .local/share/applications/ for desktop files you did not put there...
[16:35] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer, autumna: the menu config files are (supposed to be) read from system to system stubs to user, with the last one read overrides anything read before.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> menulibre assumes the system file resides in /etc/xdg/menus/ This is the default... but the appliacations menu spec in there is broken (Bugged and told "won't fix"). It should not matter, because they should be reading what the menu does which is /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/ as the top directory. This is set by the session.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> menulibre then makes mistake 2 (in my opinion) by replacing the whole system menu with it's own. They do this because... as stated above, the default menu spec is broken (two line fix BTW) and won't be fixed.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> Because it replaces the system file completely, any subsequent changes to the system menu will not show up. As an example adding wine normally adds a menu stub and there are other packages that add menu stubbs as well. Alacarte, is also broken... but at least does things right in making changes. I would choose alacarte over menulibre... but would actually prefer not to ship either one.
[16:50] <OvenWerks> For reference, there are three system menu config files that are correct: xubuntu (not xfce), ubuntustudio and KDE (kde has always been correct... probably because they were very involved in making the spec in the first place) The rest are broken... including the example in the xdg spec which would be ok if the menu contructor followed the rest of the spec... but does not make sense from a programming POV.
[16:53] <zequence> OvenWerks: You've been workin on controlling ardour using OSC, correct? Is it for personal use, or are you developing it?
[16:54] <OvenWerks> The freedesktop menu construction spec says in effect that there is a default file which can be overridden by the session file, the stubs directory files /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/ overrides whatever has been read so far... and then the user's changes override everything that has allready been read.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> zequence: developing.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> it should be a part of Ardour 5
[16:54] <zequence> I was just looking at ways to control ardour remotely, and came to the conclusion that a touch screen with OSC control may be the optimal solution
[16:55] <OvenWerks> zequence: look at open stage control in particular.
[16:55] <OvenWerks> open stage control runs as a web server and any tablet (or whatever) with chome works with it.
[16:56] <zequence> OvenWerks: Oh, nice.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> Open stage control handles OSC correctly and fully.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> That is it handles /path, /path f, path ff or whatever.
[16:57] <zequence> I was looking at making my own interface, if needed. Using javascript for sending the OSC messages
[16:57] <OvenWerks> A lot of the android/iOS controllers only do /path param
[16:57] <zequence> Oh, ok
[16:57] <OvenWerks> zequence: cool.
[16:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: the last few days I have been taking the osc branch and merging it against the VCA2 branch which will also show up in A5
[16:58] <zequence> What's VCA2?
[16:59] <OvenWerks> zequence: the most up to date docs for OSC (in A5) are here: http://scott.cbbs.org/using-control-surfaces/controlling-ardour-with-osc/
[16:59] <OvenWerks> VCA2 adds master controllers that can control other strips.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> like groups but can be nested.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> They were called VCAs in analog mixers and are sometimes called DCAs in digital mixers
[17:01] <zequence> I was looking into the ardour manual, and there did seem to be quite a lot of support for OSC already
[17:01] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ok, so channels can be hidden inside the group controller graphically as well?
[17:01] <zequence> Like a folder?
[17:01] <zequence> That would be a nice addition.
[17:02] <OvenWerks> not really. But channels could already be hidden anyway.
[17:02] <zequence> Yes, but then they can't be edited
[17:02] <OvenWerks> True.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> Paul is doing with consultation with a few people. The main reviewer does live show recording on a SSL console, so Ardour's VCA ends up following that and Harrison large format consoles.
[17:05] <OvenWerks> VCAs don't control as much as groups can control, mostly level and mute (and solo when it gets fixed)
[17:06] <OvenWerks> the VCA has a button (spill) that only shows the strips that VCA controls.
[17:10] <zequence> Well, not sure how handy that will tbh, since you can just use buses right now for that
[17:11] <zequence> Not sure what the logic is
[17:14] <zequence> I was looking at hardware controllers, a
[17:14] <zequence> ..and 1) too expensive 2) not enough features
[17:19] <sakrecoer> we now have edit permission in through ~ubuntustudio-documentation
[17:19] <sakrecoer> i added autumna krytarik OvenWerks and cfhowlett to it :)
[17:20] <sakrecoer> permission in *wiki
[17:21] <zequence> That was quick!
[17:22] <sakrecoer> yeah :) nice!
[17:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: different workflows for different people. VCAs can do things like VCA1 controls channels 13579 and VCA2 controls 234678. Busses can't do that.
[17:29]  * OvenWerks is not sure of the practical use for that.
[17:29] <OvenWerks> It is possible to set up mute groups though, which could be very useful in live situations.
[17:43] <zequence> OvenWerks: Sure buses can do that. You can route a channel to as many buses you want.
[17:44] <zequence> Multiple groups for single channels would do the same as VCA, but that doesn't work practically, of course
[17:44] <zequence> ..for many of the controls
[17:45] <zequence> Let me retract the first sentence there
[17:46] <zequence> The VCA would also control the output for all the different buses
[17:48] <zequence> Yeah, maybe that kind of thing gets interesting in situations where you have really complex channel setups, like big movie productions or something
[19:33] <autumna> thanks sakrecoer


[01:13] <WebMaven> BenC: Ping
[01:14] <BenC> zul: pass everything to me and I'll upload
[01:14] <WebMaven> BenC: Anything for me to test yet?
[01:15] <BenC> WebMaven: not yet
[01:16] <BenC> WebMaven: paste your bug # again please
[01:16] <WebMaven> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/48263
[01:18] <WebMaven> Not sure who adjusted the importance down from 'Major' to 'High'.
[01:20] <Keybuk> WebMaven: there is no such thing as Major anymore
[01:20] <Keybuk> you'll notice Severity and Priority got combined into a new "Importance" field
[01:20] <Keybuk> High is equivalent
[01:29] <zul> BenC: sure..
[01:30] <zul> must...get...key...added :)
[01:38] <zul> BenC: im just building breezy right now
[08:15] <alex_joni> infinity: ping
[08:27] <infinity> alex_joni: ?
[08:40] <alex_joni> infinity: was wondering if you can look at another kernel (if that's not too much to ask)
[08:40] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.com/765049
[01:35] <zul> hey
[01:42] <zul> BenC: ill do an upload for breezy tonight im just rebuilding again
[05:14] <zul> i just love rants http://www.inittab.de/blog/rants/20060609_dapper-kernel.html
[06:49] <alex_joni> I need a bit of help on building a new kernel on dapper with make-kpkg
[06:51] <alex_joni> it seems make-kpkg doesn't build according to /etc/kernel-img.conf (I put 'silent_modules = yes' in there, but the  deb produced still asks about the modules dir)
[06:57] <BenC> do you have the latest kernel-package installed?
[06:57] <alex_joni> this is a fresh dapper install
[06:57] <BenC> and the deb doesn't build with that info in it, it should read it upon being installed
[06:58] <alex_joni> reading some more through that "nice" perl script.. the settings in /etc/kernel-img.conf are read only on install?
[06:58] <BenC> however, it should produce a .deb that doesn't even need that conf option
[06:58] <BenC> right
[06:58] <alex_joni> that doesn't do me much good, I need a .deb which I can distribute
[06:58] <BenC> you'll have to hack the default stuff in /usr/share/kernel-package then
[06:59] <zul> Hey BenC did we get this patch? ing some more through that "nice" perl script.. the
[06:59] <zul>                    settings in /etc/kernel-img.conf are read only on install?
[06:59] <zul> 12:57 < BenC> however, it should produce a .deb that doesn't even need that conf
[06:59] <zul>               option
[06:59] <zul> sorry..
[06:59] <BenC> lol
[06:59] <alex_joni> I also have issues with the build link beeing removed, for now I think I'll hack the stuff in /usr/share/kernel-package
[06:59] <BenC> zul: I uploaded hoary
[06:59] <alex_joni> BenC: thanks a lot
[06:59] <zul> i hate gnome sometimes
[06:59] <zul> BenC: good ill upload breezy tonight
[06:59] <zul> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=8247&action=view
[07:00] <BenC> yeah, already in dapper git
[07:01] <BenC> it'll get pulled to edgy soon as well
[07:01] <zul> ok..
[07:01] <zul> im more worried about dapper these days ;)
[07:01] <BenC> do you have any dapper stuff for me?
[07:01] <BenC> I need to upload today
[07:01] <zul> no i dont i been working on hoary/breezy i havent had time for dapper...next upload will have my stuff
[07:03] <alex_joni> BenC: hacking /usr/share/kernel-package defaults works OK, except that I still get the message the symlink will get removed (which doesn't happen)
[07:04] <alex_joni> I see this as a bug for kernel-package, any place to report it?
[07:05] <BenC> launchpad.net/malone/
[07:05] <BenC> against kernel-package
[07:06] <alex_joni> BenC: ty
[07:14] <WebMaven> BenC: anything new on my bug?
[07:17] <BenC> WebMaven: try pci=noacpi
[07:17] <BenC> see if it works and keeps the machine usable
[07:26] <alex_joni> BenC: fyi #49167
[08:37] <WebMaven> BenC: I *have* a workaround: acpi=noirq
[08:38] <zul> WebMaven: cool, can you attach the output of sudo dmidecode to your bug k thx
[09:07] <BenC> zul: already done
[09:07] <BenC> fix is in git
[09:07] <zul> BenC: you are just a busy bee arent you
[09:07] <zul> which bug # was that?
[09:07] <BenC> 48263
[09:08] <zul> oh yeah i already had that patch :)
[09:09] <zul> heh...im going home...talk to you later//
[09:14] <BenC> later
[09:31] <WebMaven> zul: How many times do I need to attache that info?
[09:32] <WebMaven> Oh, OK.
[09:32] <WebMaven> BenC: so the fix is in? When can I expect to be able to test it?
[09:32] <BenC> just uploaded the new kernel
[09:33] <BenC> so expect to see it from dapper-security within a day or two
[09:33] <WebMaven> That long? OK.
[09:33] <WebMaven> So, my testing procedure will be to update and test *without* acpi=noirq, correct?
[09:33] <BenC> it has to go through the build systems, get ok'd by an archive maintainer, and wait on linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta
[09:34] <BenC> that's the idea
[09:34] <WebMaven> OK.
[09:34] <WebMaven> Cool.
[10:59] <zul> heylo
[11:05] <ajmitch> morning zul
[11:08] <zul> afternoon ajmitch how is it going?
[11:08] <ajmitch> badly :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> just had a hard drive crash & the box lock up
[11:09] <zul> oops..
[11:09] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:09] <ajmitch> I was expecting the hard drive to go out one day soon
[11:09] <ajmitch> but not take out everything else
[11:09] <zul> that day arrived
[11:09] <ajmitch> couldn't ping the box
[11:10] <ajmitch> oh well
[11:11] <ajmitch> it was an old 160GB WB drive out of my old box :)
[11:12] <infinity> "old" 160GB drive?
[11:12] <infinity> Dude, that can't be THAT old.
[11:12] <infinity> I run drives that are past their 10th birthdays.
[11:12] <ajmitch> I know..
[11:13] <ajmitch> I haven't had much luck with WD drives though
[11:13] <infinity> (and now I'm paranoid about the 100GB WD drive sitting over there...)
[11:13] <ajmitch> should have known when I bought this one
[11:13] <infinity> I normally buy Quantum^WMaxtor, but was lured into the whole WD craze when they were the first people with 8MB caches.
[11:14] <infinity> (I've since repented and gone back to the Quantum lineage)
[11:14] <alex_joni> infinity: just bought a Maxtor few days ago (16MB cache, works quite good)
[11:14] <ajmitch> md: md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction
[11:14] <zul> go dput go
[11:14] <ajmitch> mmm, how I love to see that...
[11:14] <infinity> alex_joni: Yeah, I have 4 of the 16MB cache SATA drives.  They're quite nice.
[11:14] <zul> ajmitch: i was playing with drbd today its really neat...
[11:15] <alex_joni> infinity: this is IDE, but still nice
[11:15] <infinity> I was very happy to see Maxtor pretty much completely drop their own product line on the floor and just go with Quantum's tech when they bought out Quantum.
[11:15] <infinity> (A very wise move, IMO)
[11:15] <ajmitch> certainly
[11:16] <zul> Uploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-10.33_source.changes: done.
[11:16] <zul> Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:16] <infinity> I love how you can even HEAR the Quantum mechanics in them.
[11:16] <zul> yay!
[11:17] <infinity> Quantum drives have always had the most distinctive seek patterns (and accompanying sound)
[11:17] <alex_joni> infinity: how about one of these? http://www.grandideastudio.com/src/portfolio.php?cat=&prod=20
[11:17] <ajmitch> zul: good work
[11:18] <zul> now if it doesnt get rejected
[11:18] <infinity> alex_joni: Cool.
[11:18] <infinity> I don't think my wife would approve of me building one of those for our living room.
[11:19] <alex_joni> that was about 1.2 MB Hdd
[11:19] <infinity> zul: Was that an upload to the security queue?
[11:20] <zul> infinity: yep
[11:20] <infinity> zul: Did elmo add your key to that keyring?
[11:20] <infinity> Apparently not. :)
[11:20] <zul> argh!!
[11:20] <infinity> Rejected: The key (0x207677DEFA14013B) used to sign linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-10.33_source.changes wasn't found in the keyring(s).
[11:20] <infinity> zul: The keyrings on jackass aren't kept automagically in sync with the LP keyrings.
[11:21] <infinity> zul: So, they're a bit.. Stale.
[11:21] <zul> can we get them updated somehow?
[11:21] <infinity> (And, no, I don't have access to fix that)
[11:21] <zul> yeah ok..
[11:21] <infinity> I poke elmo about fixing it a few hours back.  He'll likely get to it "sometime"
[11:21] <zul> ill bug elmo
[11:22] <infinity> But for now, you're better off just having BenC re-sign that for you.
[11:22] <zul> yeah thats what im going to do that
[11:23] <zul> *sigh*
[11:24] <zul> on to grub...
[11:43] <zul> BenC: when are you going to do an upload for dapper?
[11:49] <infinity> zul: Is 2.6.10-34.18 one of yours?
[11:49] <infinity> zul: It's FTBFS on amd64.  Where should I forward the log?
[11:58] <zul> to me
[12:05] <infinity> zul: Address?