[00:56] <Zerobeholder> having VNC troubles with a 'lucid' host and an 'ibex' client.  I think the problem is most likely stemming (by my astute expert opinion) from me not knowing much about VNC...  Tried running krfb on host and connect via krdc.  Then I sudo apt-getted x11vnc which decided to set up shop on port 5901.  Neither reachable via krdc.
[00:57] <Zerobeholder> Any suggestions?  Local home network, nothing fancy.  Everything is on 192.168.number.number
[01:00] <Zerobeholder> The end result I am looking for is seeing my desktop.  I think VNC/RDP (I know RDP is windows) is the way to go.  In the mean time I have set up ssh and via the -Y switch have limited GUI viewing.
[01:02] <totoro> where are the wallpapers stored when you install them
[01:02] <Zerobeholder> Reading here now... http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/krfb/index.html
[01:02] <totoro> where are the wallpapers stored when you install them , when you right click the desktop and press install new wallpapers
[01:02] <Zerobeholder> @totoro find / -name <filename>
[01:02] <Zerobeholder> I think that should help you if you know the filename
[01:03] <Zerobeholder> --and your hard drive isn't gigantic and full...
[01:04] <Typos_King> totoro:  checked /usr/share/wallpapers yet?
[01:05] <totoro> Typos_King,  i'll check that
[01:05] <totoro> Zerobeholder, i did that, but it didn't seem to find that, then i did that with sudo
[01:06] <totoro> which nothing happened
[01:06] <totoro> Typos_King, it's not there
[01:06] <Zerobeholder> hmmm... I've never changed my desktop graphic.
[01:06] <Zerobeholder> Not sure even where to look.
[01:07] <Zerobeholder> sudo find / -name *sunset*.jp*
[01:08] <Zerobeholder> assuming that the file was a jpeg with sunset in the file name.
[01:08] <totoro> ok i'll try
[01:08] <Zerobeholder> The old * and ? wildcards work
[01:08] <Typos_King> totoro:    another likely spot will be under ~/.kde/share
[01:09] <totoro> Typos_King, it is there. thanks
[01:16] <Zerobeholder> About the VNC, I'm going to give it an sudo apt-get update then a sudo apt-get upgrade followed by a sudo reboot and see what happens.
[01:17] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:22] <Zerobeholder> like magic...
[01:23] <Typos_King> hehe, yeah
[01:29] <Zerobeholder> Well, almost.  Now I can connect, but the frame buffer is only letting the cursor image through.  No icons or other goodies.
[01:29] <Zerobeholder> 100Mbs all by my lonesome should be enough.  I
[01:30] <Zerobeholder> am going to lower the resolution on the other much nicer machine (aka the host) to the same as my PIV laptop (aka the client).
[01:31] <Zerobeholder> Shouldn't matter but for lack of other more educated guesses seems like a good idea.
[01:47] <Zerobeholder> now I can't authenticate, let's go back up the stairs to see if I entered my password right-- because I've typed it far too many times for it to be wrong on the client side.
[01:55] <Zerobeholder> Well, albeit painfully slow I've connected, I can see the desktop with icons and my 'plasmoids', and the mouse seems to work even if not spectacularly.  I may not even figure out why the kicker bar isn't showing if I get off my lazy backside and drop some shortcut icons on the desktop.
[01:57] <Zerobeholder> So in short.  Had to apt-get install the kfrb app on the 'lucid' host, reboot, change to accept uninvited, uncheck approve connections, and set the uninvited password.
[01:58] <Zerobeholder> On the 'ibex' client I had to connect via IP address.
[02:24] <cato37> how do i get the network manager to pick up signals from wireless using wep?
[02:26] <cato37> the network manager is only picking up wpa and wpa2. how do i get the network manager to pick up signals from wireless using wep?
[02:32] <Zerobeholder> ...use wicd?
[02:32] <Zerobeholder> I like it better than network manager.
[02:34] <Zerobeholder> If your computer is picking up signals, but not the one closest to it-- you may have a wireless host node problem (your wireless router/accesspoint) may be having issues.
[02:34] <Zerobeholder> Can you see it and connect with other computers?
[02:35] <cato37> i can connect to only wireless using wpa and wpa2. the coffee shop that i am at uses wep, and nobody that is wep is showing up.
[02:35] <Zerobeholder> So you can see the wireless signal?
[02:35] <cato37> i am probably on someone's unsecured wireless at the apartments next door.
[02:36] <cato37> no. the coffee shop is broadcasting and other patrons are on it. but it doesnt show up in the scans. the sandwich shop next door uses wep and it doenst show up either.
[02:38] <cato37> i connect to about 4 or 5 different places, depending on where i am at. the places that use wep do not show up.
[02:39] <Zerobeholder> Did you try making a new connection?
[02:40] <cato37> the barrista doesnt know the router settings.
[02:40] <Zerobeholder> Is the shop using 802.11a?
[02:40] <cato37> she doesnt know that either. :(
[02:40] <Zerobeholder> 802.11b is not uncommon, 802.11g is more or less the de facto standard these days though.
[02:41] <cato37> it is old
[02:41] <cato37> probably has wood grain finish....jk.
[02:41] <Zerobeholder> Is your computer newer (age<2 years)?
[02:42] <cato37> my comp. it's about a year old
[02:42] <Zerobeholder> Your computer may not support dirt old hardware.
[02:42] <cato37> it was made to pick up signals in several different countries
[02:43] <Zerobeholder> Not everything will connect to 802.11a.
[02:43] <Zerobeholder> I bet that is your issue.
[02:43] <Zerobeholder> If it is about a year old you probably have n,g, and maybe b compatibility.
[02:44] <cato37> when i was running vista it picked up the coffee shop just fine
[02:44] <Zerobeholder> Crap, then it isn't the hardware like I thought.
[02:44] <cato37> the common denominator is the wep. anyone using wep doenst show up.
[02:45] <Zerobeholder> Would you like to abandon the 'network manager' package and try 'wicd'?
[02:45] <cato37> i am uncomfortable using an unsecured wife from the apartments next door.
[02:45] <cato37> *wifi
[02:45] <cato37> sure. what is wicd?
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> WEP isn't a secured connection either
[02:46] <Zerobeholder> I like wicd much better and have it on both my wireless machines.  It is an alternative to 'network manager' same purpose.
[02:47] <cato37> apt-get wicd.  will i need to kill nm?
[02:47] <Zerobeholder> Look around. If you're using WEP any of the people around you could be catching your packets and saving them for later.
[02:48] <Zerobeholder> Wicd will automatically set itself as the primary application.
[02:48] <cato37> i know. the coffee shop owner probably doesnt care, and i use it to catch up on school work.
[02:48] <Zerobeholder> Be prepared to lose internet access when doing so.
[02:48] <cato37> k.
[02:49] <Zerobeholder> sudo apt get install wicd              i think
[02:49] <Zerobeholder> apt-get
[02:49] <Zerobeholder> sorry
[02:49] <cato37> k. bbiab
[02:51] <cato37> well, it is taking some time. the wifi connection must be pretty slow
[02:51] <cato37> i got a fail flag
[02:52] <cato37> doh. i am going to kill nm. bbl.
[02:52] <Zerobeholder> Depending on which version you may need to add a repository.
[02:52] <Zerobeholder> Using lucid?
[02:52] <cato37> yes. 10.04 lts
[02:54] <Zerobeholder> add this repository in your package manager:     deb http://apt.wicd.net lucid extras
[02:55] <Zerobeholder> then you will need to:                     sudo apt-get update
[02:55] <Zerobeholder> followed finally by:                            sudo apt-get install wicd
[02:58] <Zerobeholder> (Not necessarily now, but you can:     sudo apt-get upgrade         to update your system to the newest and shiniest files that patch security holes, fix bugs, and possibly add functionality.)
[03:02] <Zerobeholder> ? AFK for a few wife needs me.
[03:04] <pudil> Akregator - yesterday I started using it (by adding an rss feed). it loaded up about 9 kde & kubuntu feeds.  I read some.  Today, none of the items I read yesterday are marked as read - everything is unread.   Bug, or am I missing a setting?
[03:29] <Pavel_> I have a question about plasma themes in 10.04..
[03:30] <Pavel_> In Karmic it was easy to change via the plasma toolbox/desktop settings
[03:30] <Pavel_> But now that route only provides wallpaper options...
[03:32] <harriseldon> Plasma themes are now part of appearance settings under the workspace tab
[03:33] <fayaz> Hi. I have a screensaver problem
[03:34] <fayaz> the jiggly mode of solar winds (GL) doesn't work properly...
[03:34] <Pavel_> ah, cheers!
[03:34] <fayaz> is there anyway i can get rid of that particular screensaver?
[03:35] <fayaz> all others are working perfect...
[03:36] <harriseldon> fayaz why do you need to get rid of it? Is it because you have a random screensaver and you want it excluded? Otherwise does it really hurt to be there?
[03:36] <fayaz> i want the random mode...
[03:37] <fayaz> harriseldon yes i want it excluded...
[03:41] <pudil> Akregator - yesterday I started using it (by adding an rss feed). it loaded up about 9 kde & kubuntu feeds.  I read some.  Today, none of the items I read yesterday are marked as read - everything is unread.   Bug, or am I missing a setting?
[03:46] <harriseldon> fayaz it seems like you need to move the .desktop file for solar winds to another location to make it seem like it is no longer available. Do you need further help with how to do this?
[03:48] <fayaz> harriseldon i want only the 'jiggly' mode excluded from the solar winds screensaver...
[03:51] <fayaz> harriseldon i'm using the random mode in solar winds...
[03:51] <harriseldon> fayaz now I understand. I am trying to search online to see if  I can find anything. I have the ksolarwinds.kss and it is a binary file.
[03:53] <fayaz> harriseldon FYI I'm using an ATI radeon...
[03:53] <fayaz> had found that its got display problems like these...
[03:54] <fayaz> but my problem seems to be only for this particular screensaver...
[03:55] <Zerobeholder> Hmm... either cato got on is potentially angry.
[03:56] <Zerobeholder> Hope it's the former, I'm a big fan of the wicd networking package.
[03:58] <harriseldon> fayaz from what I can tell the screen stores its configuration file in .kde/share/config/ksolarwinds.kssrc and it has only one option for the mode which is just the index of the combo box. It does not look like there is a way to disable just one option from random
[03:58] <corebreaker> Hay everyone I have a problem, I'm trying to get rhythmbox to work but when I try to play a song I get this error "The autoaudiosink element is missing" this only happens when i start up google chrome before rhythmbox, but if I start up rhythmbox before chrome I get no sound in chrome, is there a way to fix this?
[03:58] <fayaz> harriseldon hmmm thanks for the help anyway... :)
[03:59] <harriseldon> fayaz yw, sorry I could not help more. I am guessing that you could compile it yourself without that option, but you would have to fish through C++ code. That is way over my head.
[04:00] <fayaz> harriseldon mine too...
[04:11] <harriseldon> corebreaker check out this bug for details (it seems like it has a solution as well) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/442157
[04:12] <corebreaker> Ahh Thank you harriseldon
[04:12] <harriseldon> yw corebreaker hope the fix works for you
[04:25] <corebreaker> Sorry Harriseldon, that didn;t work
[04:25] <corebreaker> But I guess I'll keep looking
[04:26] <harriseldon> corebreaker are you running rythmbox in kde?
[04:26] <corebreaker> yes
[04:27] <corebreaker> I have all the Gstreamers installed
[04:34] <harriseldon> corebreaker here is another option to try http://www.blograndom.com/blog/2009/11/ubuntu-9-10-rhythmbox-requires-gstreamer-element-autoaudiosink-to-play-mp3s/
[04:47] <corebreaker> harriseldon sorry but that didn't work ether, I think it has something to do with alsa, when I start up rhythmbox first before google chrome it works just fine, its only when google chrome is started first, but if rhythmbox is started first before chrome, chrome doesn't have sound.
[04:51] <corebreaker> does anyone have the same problem I have been having?
[05:00] <corebreaker> Can anyone help me with this I'm running Kubuntu 10.04 32bit. Okay when I try to play music in rhythmbox nothing happens, this only happens when google chrome or firefox is started first, but if rhythmbox is started first it plays music just fine but then I don't get sound in firefox. does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[05:12] <corebreaker> Can anyone help me with this I'm running Kubuntu 10.04 32bit. Okay when I try to play music in rhythmbox nothing happens, this only happens when google chrome or firefox is started first, but if rhythmbox is started first it plays music just fine but then I don't get sound in firefox. does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[06:32] <draik> Hello all
[06:32] <draik> How do I check the frontend configuration for my audio?
[06:39] <noaXess> corebreaker: maybe a pulseaudio problem? what is the default sound system?
[06:39] <noaXess> corebreaker: is pulseaudio installed?
[06:40] <corebreaker> noaXess I thought the default sound system was alsa in kubuntu
[06:40] <noaXess> corebreaker: what about amarok?
[06:40] <noaXess> corebreaker: have you tried it with amarok?
[06:40] <corebreaker> yes amarok works fine
[06:40] <noaXess> so also if firefox/chrome is started..
[06:41] <corebreaker> yes
[06:41] <noaXess> and sound in firefox or chrome des work with and without amarok?
[06:41] <noaXess> does ^
[06:41] <corebreaker> it works with amarok
[06:41] <corebreaker> just not rhythm box
[06:41] <noaXess> ok.. so rythmbox problem..
[06:42] <corebreaker> It also does the same thing with banshee
[06:42] <noaXess> rhytmbox and banshee are gnome players right?
[06:43] <corebreaker> yes thats right
[06:43] <noaXess> hm.. maybe there is a gnome lib missing for this two apps.. have you checked log's will running one of them and ff/chrome?
[06:44] <corebreaker> umm no, sorry I'm still a bit of a noob when it comes to linux
[06:45] <noaXess> corebreaker: no rob ;)...
[06:45] <noaXess> start konsole
[06:45] <corebreaker> okay
[06:45] <noaXess> and type: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[06:46] <noaXess> then start rhytmbox and after that ff or chrome
[06:46] <noaXess> and try playing sound in the browser..
[06:46] <noaXess> and then do it other ways.. start ff or chrome and then rb
[06:46] <corebreaker> alright
[06:46] <noaXess> in the konsole with CTRL+C you can stop watching to the log..
[06:47] <noaXess> another log is /var/log/messages
[06:47] <noaXess> or /var/log/kern.log
[06:49] <corebreaker> Alright
[06:50] <noaXess> corebreaker: if you see anything that happends while testing sound.. then pastebin it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[06:51] <draik> I'm having issues with my audio not playing via HDMI in Firefox, VLC or Kaffeine. It plays well with Amarok.
[06:53] <corebreaker> Alright I put it in to pastbin
[06:54] <noaXess> corebreaker: paste the link here :)
[06:54] <corebreaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/453231/
[06:56] <noaXess> corebreaker: i see nothing that is a sound specific problem.. hm...
[06:56] <noaXess> corebreaker: can you start systemsettings and go into multimedia settings?
[06:57] <corebreaker> sure
[06:57] <corebreaker> Alright im there
[06:58] <noaXess> what is the first entry under "Audio Ouput / Music"
[06:58] <noaXess> grrr... Output ^
[06:58] <corebreaker> HDA intel (ALC1200 Analog)
[06:59] <noaXess> is there any PulseAudio entry?
[06:59] <corebreaker> umm no theres no pulseaudio
[07:00] <corebreaker> should I install PulseAudio?
[07:00] <noaXess> is you installation a fresh one? or upgrade from older kubuntu release?
[07:01] <corebreaker> its a fresh one
[07:02] <noaXess> i would install PulseAudio and set it to the default audiosystem... also is backend..and will still communicate with your sound hardware.. PulseAudio is the audiosystem that ouput's/record sound..
[07:03] <corebreaker> Alright thanks noaXess =]
[07:03] <noaXess> so.. here are information about pulseaudio.. and what to install ... grr...pulseaudio link is down.... grrr
[07:06] <andrej> Hello, how can I make KDE run in 2 xserver instances? Gnome uses the second screen by default but with KDE the second sceen stays dark.
[07:06] <draik> How do I check the frontend configuration for my audio?
[07:07] <noaXess> andrej: what graficcard do you have?
[07:07] <noaXess> draik: hm... in kmix? or with pavucontroll if you have installed PulseAudio
[07:08] <andrej> nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX+.
[07:08] <noaXess> corebreaker: just wait until the wiki of ubuntuusers.de is online.. the PulseAudio link: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Pulseaudio
[07:09] <draik> noaXess: In Firefox and VLC
[07:09] <corebreaker> Thank you =]
[07:09] <andrej> I also tried twinview which worked for me with basic KDE, but every video player splittet the fullscreen picture to two screens.
[07:09] <noaXess> andrej: wait.. check my config.
[07:10] <andrej> All I want is the possibility to watch videos on my second screen (which is an LCD TV).
[07:10] <noaXess> andrej: thats my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/453238/
[07:11] <noaXess> andrej: and i have no problems to watch eg. mythtv on one screen and work on the other..
[07:11] <noaXess> breakfast time... bbl
[07:16] <andrej> The only difference to my failfullscreenconfig is the TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder line.
[07:16] <andrej> I'll try it though
[07:18] <andrej> brb
[07:19] <goodtime>  /j #ubuntu-beginners
[07:35] <andrej_> No success. :/
[07:36] <andrej_> Fullscreen in VLC is again the virtual screen and not any of the real screens.
[07:43] <draik> How do I check the audio frontend for VLC?
[07:48] <noaXess> draik: what is your main problem?
[07:50] <draik> noaXess: I am trying to get audio to play in VLC and Firefox
[07:50] <draik> I can get clear audio via HDMI in Amarok, but not in anything else.
[07:51] <andrej_> vlc defaults to alsa and ff to pulseaudio I believe.
[07:51] <andrej_> So VLC open blocks FF.
[07:52] <draik> Together or individually, neither play audio
[07:59] <noaXess> draik: what about installing pulseaudio? maybe a solution.. i had problem with skype and mythtv and amarok.. with pulseaudio it worked parallel..
[07:59] <noaXess> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Pulseaudio#Nachtraegliche-Installation
[08:00] <noaXess> install pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio and also pavucontrol
[08:01] <noaXess> andrej_: have you tested your screen setting over nvidia-settings?
[08:02] <draik> noaXess: Thanks. I'll give that a shot
[08:03] <noaXess> draik: then you hav pavucontrol or over kmenu "PulseAudio Colume Control" to control sound..
[08:04] <andrej_> noaXess yes
[08:05] <noaXess> andrej_: and if you watch a video in vlc, it will be spanned over both screens?
[08:05] <draik> noaXess: kmenu? Do you mean kmix?
[08:06] <noaXess> draik: no.. over kmenu.. or better :) kickoff menu of kde
[08:06] <noaXess> draik: you need also make pulseaudio to your default audio controler in systemsettings / multimedia
[08:07] <noaXess> draik: after that (installation and mae pa as default) reboot your system...
[08:09] <noaXess> make ^
[08:10] <draik> OK
[08:25] <naftilos76> hello, does anybody know an app for batch resizing, croping, rotating multiple images?
[08:52] <Manyfold> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:52] <Manyfold>   File "prob3.py", line 6, in <module>
[08:52] <Manyfold>     print sin(45)
[08:52] <Manyfold> NameError: name 'sin' is not defined
[08:52] <FloodBotK3> Manyfold: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:53] <Manyfold> i can't include any python modules into my scripts
[10:18] <skramer_> how do I get my old Wacom ArtPad II to work with Lucid?
[10:18] <skramer_> it used to work with previous versions, but I can't use it in 10.04
[10:29] <slow-motion> hi
[11:03] <QBee> hello all
[11:23] <nebula> inUtileBar install but it will nowhere be obtained so why please help
[11:27] <nebula> inUtileBar install but it will nowhere be obtained so why please help
[11:32] <nebula> inUtileBar how to run please help ....
[11:39] <metatagg> Hey! My new laptop wont recognize my touchpad as a touchpad... and when I type, it gets
[11:39] <metatagg> really annoying as
[11:40] <metatagg> i accidently pushes a button.. :( any suggestions?
[11:51] <pravar> good morning
[11:52] <agameiro> one question remastersys work in kubuntu???????????
[11:53] <metatagg> is there a cursor lock widget in kubuntu?
[11:54] <nebula> !nUtileBar
[12:01] <metatagg> can anyone tell me if there's a cursor lock widget?
[12:05] <greenmang0> metatagg: well... i case if you want to disable touchpad of your laptop you can try "synclient TouchPadOff=1" in terminal
[12:05] <greenmang0> in* case
[12:06] <metatagg> greenmang0: oh, and if i want it on, i just type "synclient TouchPadOff=0"
[12:06] <metatagg> ?
[12:07] <greenmang0> metatagg: yeah
[12:07] <metatagg> greenmang0: well, my laptop doesnt detect the touchpad as a touchpad, it detects it as a mouse :S
[12:07] <metatagg> greenmang0: but the two finger scrolling works. :(
[12:08] <greenmang0> metatagg: it works even if you type it in krunner
[12:08] <greenmang0> metatagg: what do you mean by detects as a mouse?
[12:08] <metatagg> greenmang0: sec
[12:08] <metatagg> Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[12:09] <metatagg> greenmang0: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300562
[12:09] <metatagg> greenmang0: something like this
[12:10] <greenmang0> metatagg: aptitude install kcm-touchpad
[12:10] <greenmang0> metatagg: you will get configuration options in system-settings
[12:11] <metatagg> greenmang0: i'll try
[12:11] <metatagg> greenmang0: already installed..
[12:13] <metatagg> greenmang0: i'll do a reboot :) sec
[12:17] <metatagg> greenmang0: got any tips?
[12:18] <greenmang0> metatagg: why did you reboot?
[12:18] <metatagg> greenmang0: installed Kubuntu yesterday, and I had some updates to be done today
[12:18] <greenmang0> metatagg: hmm
[12:27] <metatagg> i've found several threads on the subject, but none of them gives me a good tip of what to do.. -.-
[12:50] <metatagg> greenmang0: should I just wait for someone to come up with a fix?
[12:51] <greenmang0> metatagg: i think yes
[12:51] <greenmang0> metatagg: i didn't find anything useful
[12:51] <metatagg>  greenmang0 ok, thanks anyway... however... do you know if there's a widget for pointer capture, like in gnome?
[12:53] <greenmang0> metatagg: nope.... didn't use gnome for last 3 years or so
[12:53] <greenmang0> metatagg: that "synclient" didn't work for you?
[12:54] <metatagg> ah. ok :( maybe i'll stick to gnome for a while and then return to KDE when my touchpad seems to work better. :)
[12:54] <metatagg> greenmang0: thanks a lot anyways!
[12:54] <greenmang0> metatagg: what about synclient command? did it work ?
[12:55] <metatagg> greenmang0: no, because the touchpad isnt detected as a touchpad, but as a psmouse (with mac emulation)
[12:55] <greenmang0> metatagg: hmm
[12:55] <metatagg> greenmang0: twofinger scrolling works, threefinger rightclick and so on..
[12:56] <metatagg> i can always "sudo modprobe -r psmouse"
[12:56] <metatagg> but it seems a bit awkward...
[12:56] <greenmang0> metatagg: true
[13:30] <zxy_64-2> hi
[13:31] <zxy_64-2> i need to access phonebook in my gsm telephone and backup/restore it. Is this possible with kubuntu
[13:32] <lexr> depends what type of phone is it.
[13:34] <lexr> I never succeeded with Lg u880 and Nokia e61 tho. but there are programs like kmobiletools, gnokii, gMobileMedia, Wammu etc
[13:35] <zxy_64-2> currently i neeed it for sony-ericsoon, but i would be interrested in nokia too
[13:36] <lexr> look at some of these programs I told you about, try googling name of a program and your mobile phone model and see if it is possibile. all those porgrams should be available in the repos.
[13:36] <zxy_64-2> kk, thx
[13:37] <lexr> np
[13:51] <Kamesh_> Hello all, when I copy and paste code (any code either c/c++ etc..) in gvim or in kate it pastes in a straight line. I dont understand why. Please help me. I am on Kubuntu 10.04
[14:00] <Torch> Kamesh_: you mean the code is re-indented and gets all messed up by this?
[14:01] <Kamesh_> Torch@ exactly, this happens in kate and gvim. I did not try in other ediors though
[14:01] <Torch> Kamesh_: in vim, you set paste mode with ":set paste" before pasting.
[14:02] <Torch> Kamesh_: probably the same in gvim. in kate, i don't know ;-)
[14:02] <Torch> Kamesh_: you'd have to temporarily disable automatic indent
[14:04] <Kamesh_> Torch@ I disabled in .vimrc autoindent and tried it again.. But still it looses all it indentation.. I am trying to copy some code from google code search and pasting it in vim
[14:05] <Torch> Kamesh_: i dunno if diasbling auto-indent is enough. haven't tried.
[14:05] <Torch> Kamesh_: i have it on and use set paste and i know that this works.
[14:06] <Kamesh_> Torch@ Since the problem is not only with vim/gvim but also kate an dother editors, I presume some thing sinister
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Torch, the @ doesn't work on irc
[14:08] <Torch> BluesKaj: err.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> just use the nick
[14:08] <Torch> BluesKaj: talking to the wrong people doesn't work either ;-)
[14:09] <Torch> Kamesh_: just tried it, pasting works for me in kate with indent mode set to C. doesn't mess it up.
[14:10] <Atritas> Hi, all. When opening khelpcenter i was used to having a "Search" tab to search for man pages and/or application manuals, which seems to be missing since i upgraded. I'm also unable to (re)build a search index (button greyed out). I already deleted the old index directory and did check for htdig. Any suggestions?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Kamesh_, maybe a code chat might be more suitable
[14:11] <Kamesh_> Torch@ I tried with indent mode set to C in kate.. it still does not work and I loose the indeentation
[14:12] <Torch> Kamesh_: what kde version are you using?
[14:12] <Kamesh_> BluesKaj: Could you please expalin what is code chat ? Are you referring to some other IRC channel
[14:13] <Kamesh_> Torch: I am on kde 4.4.2
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Kamesh_, yes
[14:14] <Torch> BluesKaj: which do you have in mind?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> dunno , look around
[14:16] <Torch> BluesKaj: i'd be very surprised if there was an irc channel dealing with _editor_ issues like this.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Torch, true, but it's difficult to find an answer here too.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> for those kinds of questions
[14:19] <Torch> Kamesh_: what are you trying to paste? is that publicly accessible?
[14:26] <Atritas> Interesting... When i start khelpcenter from commandline it says something about "no valid search handler found". Can someone please provide me with a paste of his output where the search is working, so i can compare what i might be missing?
[14:28] <Kamesh_> Torch: The problem seems to be resolved now. I have been using opera 10.60 on Linux  and when I copy from there it some how messes it up
[14:28] <Kamesh_> Torch: But I have now tried it with google chrome and it works.. Thanks for your help
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Atritas, try using the run box , alt+f2
[14:29] <Atritas> BluesKaj: Already tried that. The problem seems to be some missing library and/or package. The errors clearly state that there is no "search handler" available.
[14:31] <Kamesh_> Torch: and to answer your previous question I was just trying to paste a hello world program found on google code search
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Atritas, try installing khelpcenter , sudo aptitude install khelpcenter
[14:34] <Atritas> BluesKaj: That package is a dummy package as khelpcenter is no integrated with kdebase. It only includes documentation where to find khelpcenter now and to help with upgrades. But anyway... Same phenomenon.
[14:36] <Atritas> BluesKaj: Do you have a directory called: /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/searchhandlers ?
[14:46] <Atritas> Just wondering... Has anyone a working Search in khelpcenter in Lucid ? According to the changelog i just found it seems to have been disabled on purpose?!
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Atritas, mine works ok
[15:17] <Atritas> BluesKaj: Interesting. New install or Upgrade?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> new install, Atritas
[15:18] <Atritas> BluesKaj: ok, then i'm really out of ideas... I presume you do have the above mentioned directory?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Atritas,  I have /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter, but no searchhandlers
[15:20] <Atritas> BluesKaj: darn :-/
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Atritas, I imagine the search handler is an option in the app after it's opened
[15:21] <Atritas> BluesKaj: Could you please post the output of khelpcenter on STDERR when starting it from konsole. There _should_ be a few lines regarding SearchHandlers.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> yeah Atritas , khelpcenter opens ok , the terminal shows this line too, khelpcenter(3278) KHC::SearchEngine::initSearchHandlers: "No valid search handler found."
[15:25] <Atritas> BluesKaj: *argh*
[15:25] <Atritas> BluesKaj: that was my last straw....
[15:26] <BluesKaj> wonder why that is :(
[15:28] <Atritas> BluesKaj: Ok, another idea... Could you do a "dpkg --get-selections" and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ so i can check you have any "maybe relevant" packages i don't have?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Atritas, http://paste.ubuntu.com/453408/
[15:31] <Atritas> BluesKaj:  thanks
[15:31] <BluesKaj> np, Atritas
[15:41] <Guest34618> hi .. i m using kubuntu 10.04 .. everytime i start compiz it says ' KDE window decorator got crashed ' ..  and after that all my windows are not having title bar .. Any ideas ??
[16:26] <snarkster> i have an old Thinkpad A22m that I upgraded to 10.04 so my daughter could use it to do her social networking crap.. It used to have sound no problem but now it has no sound at all, just static.
[16:27] <snarkster> doing a search through her home directory show no .asoundrc is this the standard now?
[16:29] <James147> !sound | snarkster
[16:32] <snarkster> thank you
[16:37] <BluesKaj> snarkster, yeah ,no asoundrc
[16:39] <snarkster> thank you
[16:39] <snarkster> sound is working again.. strange.
[16:47] <snarkster> bye
[17:18] <aljosa> is anybody building packages for kde4.5 unstable daily releases? is there some apt repository?
[17:29] <phoenix_> does mounting of drives take up system resources?
[17:34] <phoenix_> anyone there
[17:35] <moldy> hi
[17:35] <moldy> on 10.04, how do i correctly configure a static address for my network card? /etc/network/interfaces seems to be ignored?
[17:39] <ani_age21> beta pakes marked as blocked in software manager how can i install those.. i want kde4.5
[17:39] <ani_age21> ?
[17:39] <pidus> I had been able to vnc to the remote server using xvnc4viewer on Kubuntu 9.10, but since I upgraded to 10.04, it fails to connect saying 'unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)'.
[17:40] <pidus> I used http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#VNC to reset the server, but to no avail.
[17:40] <BluesKaj> moldy, you have to remove NM ,then use this tutorial. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[17:40] <moldy> BluesKaj: ugh. thanks.
[17:41] <moldy> BluesKaj: just out of curiosity: nm does not support this?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> moldy,it confilcts
[17:42] <pidus> I think the problem is somewhere on the remote server as x11vnc.log gives the following message http://pastebin.com/pYsAVAUM
[17:42] <ani_age21> how can get KDE 4.5
[17:42] <BluesKaj> !KDE
[17:43] <moldy> BluesKaj: i would be fine with using nm for this, but i couldnt get that to work :)
[17:44] <ani_age21> BluesKaj i already flow that. but after adding ppa of beta lucid main and a list update i got blocked pakages in software manager in update section
[17:45] <ani_age21> !apt-get
[17:46] <ani_age21> !KPackageKit
[17:46] <BluesKaj> moldy, for ethernet connections , it's not a difficult setup with network/interfaces...make sure you have your gateway and IP addresses listed under portmap in /etc/hosts.allow , like this : ALL:192.168.X.X
[17:48] <moldy> BluesKaj: hm. i have removed network-manager, edited the interfaces file. which services do i need to restart now?
[17:48] <moldy> it's still using the dhcp config :(
[17:48] <BluesKaj> ani_age21,sorry I'm sticking with the stable kde , sO have no experience with kde4.5 problems , maybe #kde can help
[17:48] <ani_age21> ok
[17:50] <BluesKaj> moldy, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart or sudo dhclient...usually the latter will stick after closing a session , but I haven't needed to use either one .
[17:54] <moldy> BluesKaj: i think i fixed it now... had to kill dhclient and run ifup eth0. weird.
[17:55]  * moldy is not impressed with network-manager
[17:55] <moldy> BluesKaj: thanks for your hints!
[17:55] <BluesKaj> really , strange alright, moldy
[17:56] <BluesKaj> moldy, np, there are some quirks with network/interfaces , seems better in lucid tho
[17:57] <BluesKaj> moldy, actionparsnip over at #ubuntu is a real expert on NI , if you need further hints
[18:00] <BluesKaj> time for my nap...bbl
[18:03] <trupheenix> hi all
[18:03] <trupheenix> i made my desktop look like this http://twitpic.com/1z0u7d
[18:04] <trupheenix> how can i share it with my friends?
[18:04] <trupheenix> any easy way to do it?
[18:12] <James147> trupheenix: the settings are stored in ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*  you sould be able to copy them to other computer to replicate the desktop (be careful of private data though)
[18:13] <trupheenix> James147: ok
[18:13] <James147> trupheenix: you can also find config files for other kde apps there if you want to duplicate them as well
[18:14] <trupheenix> James147: ok :)
[18:28] <pidus> I am a little surprised with an observation: I set up vncserver using http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#VNC on port 5900 and still netstat --listen | grep 5900 doesn't give anything. Am i missing something?
[18:45] <sorind> hello, i've noticed in some screenshots that the application menu can be placed on the desktop(like a mac), i've searched System Settings for this option but i cannot find it, can anybody direct me to it(i'm using kde 4.5 beta2)
[18:56] <James147> sorind: the application menu is just a widget, it can be placed like any other widget and acts like any other widget... just drag it from the "add widget" window to where you want it
[18:57] <James147> sorind: or if you have the "panel settings" window open you can drag it from the panel to the desktop to move it
[18:58] <sorind> i can't find the application menu, but i'll see if i can install it, thank you
[18:58] <James147> sorind: you dont ned to install it
[18:59] <James147> sorind:  I think its called "application launcher"
[19:02] <sorind> no, that's not what i wanted; i want the menu from every application(the File Edit View...) on top of the desktop; i've seen it's possible, but i'm not sure it is in a more recent verion of kde
[19:03] <James147> sorind: ahh :) i think there is something like that on kde-look.org
[19:03] <James147> sorind: not sure if its in the repos
[19:03] <sorind> ok, i was looking for something built-in; thanks very much anyway:)
[19:06] <James147> sorind: look at "plasma-widget-xbar" (in the repos) sonds like what you want
[19:07] <sorind> it's there, but i think there are some problems because i'm running the kde 4.5 beta, so i think i'm gonna leave it for now
[19:10] <benishor> Hello all
[19:10] <benishor> My laptop had its motherboard recently changed and eversince that happened, I am unable to use the Fn keys, such as setting brightness, volume, enabling/disabling wireless, etc
[19:10] <benishor> There's nothing wrong with the hardware, I used a live cd and everything worked ok
[19:10] <benishor> Is there some way to "reset" kbd ?
[19:10] <benishor> or to have it redetected somehow?
[19:13] <James147> benishor: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a i think
[19:44] <cato37> hello
[19:46] <cato37> i have both the kde network manager and the wicd network magager both loading and both reading network connections. how do i only get one to load at a time?
[20:15] <cato37> i have both the kde network manager and the wicd network magager both loading and both reading network connections. how do i only get one to load at a time?
[20:25] <Kottizen> I'm on a confirmation camp and having a laptop, a 3G-modem and a router. I am using Kubuntu 10.04. I've connected and started the router. People can connect to it, but they haven't any internet. The router does not support 3G-modems, and therefor I have to use my laptop as a proxy for them. My question is: How do I setup a simple proxy without any special limits etc. on my KDE desktop?
[20:39] <moldy> Kottizen: i think the easiest solution is probably to ditch the router and use the laptop as a router
[20:39] <dcorbin_work> When I go to web page with a java applet, Firefox wants to install a package (The IcedTea Web Browser Plugin).  I let it.  When I restart firefox, the plugin is not there.  (the install appears to be of a Kubuntu package)
[21:00] <moxlox> hello was wondering how to access the drives on my kubuntu machine on ubuntu I usually click computer but that does not appear to be there
[21:01] <moxlox> under places where I usually access my computer drives
[21:06] <Kottizen> moldy: ...how?
[21:21] <moldy> Kottizen: it's not trivial
[21:21] <moldy> Kottizen: google for "linux iptables nat" or something similiar. e.g. http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
[21:32] <Kottizen> moldy: thanks
[21:33] <oxymoron> How do I copy a crypted DVD movie from A DVD disc to a iso file?
[21:37] <cannonfodder> ure it out from here
[21:42] <oxymoron> Why on earth do you need to run " sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh" in terminal for crypted dvds? :S
[21:47] <moldy> oxymoron: on my system, k3b can "just do" that
[21:47] <moldy> oxymoron: probably because of licensing issues
[21:47] <moldy> oxymoron: "my system" is not an ubuntu/kubuntu system, though
[22:09] <mabs_> I need to configure my kubuntu 10.4 with two netcards, one is my wifi (wlan0) and is used to connect to the internet, the other is ethernet (eth0) that is only used on the local network. The problem is that when I activate both connections, I can't connect to the internet and I don't know what to do from here.
[22:10] <mabs_> Resent due to connection problem...: I need to configure my kubuntu 10.4 with two netcards, one is my wifi (wlan0) and is used to connect to the internet, the other is ethernet (eth0) that is only used on the local network. The problem is that when I activate both connections, I can't connect to the internet and I don't know what to do from here.
[22:11] <mabs_> By can't connect I mean that I can't ping my dns servers nor resolve IP's...
[22:11] <grantk> hello, wondering if someone might be able to help me out here, I used to be able to disable graphical logins by using update-rc.d, 10.04 seems to have moved that functionality, anyone know how to disable kdm now?
[22:12] <BluesKaj> mabs_, just connect with one or the other , not both If you are connecting thru a router then the ethernet the best way to go . The router should also provide connection to your LAN.
[22:13] <mabs_> BluesKaj: It's two different networks and it should be posible to have both cards up at once.
[22:16] <mabs_> The two networks have different IP ranges, wifi has <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and eth0 has <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[22:27] <mabs_> Okay, it's actually easy enough, if I just disable network-manager and configure my interfaces manually in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:38] <samuel_> boa noite pessoal
[22:43] <donaxco> ciao a tutti
[23:03] <jesus__> Hello
[23:50] <robertzaccour> would kde run well on 3gb ram?
[23:51] <robertzaccour> and amd 1.86 ghz processor
[23:52] <robertzaccour> am i in the right chat? haha
[23:53] <sergio> como estas
[23:53] <sergio> what is your name
[23:53] <robertzaccour> sergio, are you in America?
[23:53] <sergio> yes
[23:54] <sergio> in mexico
[23:56] <BluesKaj> robertzaccour, 3g ram is plenty
[23:57] <Scunizi> How do I start samba as a service.. I'm getting tired of manually starting it.. and it's inconvenient


[16:00] <matsubara> arosales, are you running the meeting today?
[16:01] <arosales> matsubara: ah yes, I didn't update the minutes :-/
[16:02] <matsubara> arosales, ok. I'll let you start it then. I'm next in the list :-)
[16:02] <arosales> matsubara: not sure if there was going to be a meeting today with ods
[16:03] <matsubara> not sure either but go ahead, should be a quiet one then.
[16:03] <arosales> are any other folks here for the server team meeting?
[16:03] <arosales> or are most folks at ODS?
[16:04] <lutostag> I'm here, but also not sure if the meeting is supposed to happen
[16:05] <arosales> would folks like to proceede?
[16:05] <arosales> sounds like we have lutostag and matsubara
[16:05] <matsubara> I guess it's ok to postpone if just the 3 of us
[16:05] <arosales> smoser: ? jamespage ?
[16:06]  * arosales is happy to have a meeting with matsubara and lutostag, may be short
[16:06] <matsubara> next week should be more interesting anyway with news from ods and cloud sprint
[16:07]  * arosales will start a meeting real quick to see if any folks have any items and then send out minutes
[16:07] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 13 16:08:13 2014 UTC.  The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:07] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:07] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <arosales> looks like james had the meeting hand action done
[16:08] <arosales> #topic Utopic Development
[16:08] <arosales> nothing there atm as we are just getting kicked off
[16:08] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:09] <arosales> u-cycle release udpated there
[16:09] <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:09] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-u-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:09] <arosales> mostly for fyi since folks are out
[16:09] <arosales> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:09] <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-u-servercloud-overview.html
[16:09] <arosales> another fyi
[16:10] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:10] <caribou> Nothing here, I'm good
[16:11] <arosales> caribou: thanks
[16:11] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:11] <psivaa> arosales: not much of an update but looking into some lamp related precise test failures in the smoke suite
[16:11] <arosales> psivaa: ack, and thanks for the update.
[16:12] <arosales> psivaa: ping in #ubuntu-server if there are any bugs they need more attention than the bugs are getting
[16:12] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:12] <psivaa> arosales: ack
[16:12] <sforshee> nothing from me, and smb doesn't seem to be here
[16:14] <arosales> sforshee: ok and thanks
[16:14] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:14] <arosales> folks are at ODS :-)
[16:15] <arosales> #topic Open Discussio
[16:15] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:15]  * arosales suspects there are no topics
[16:15] <arosales> lutostag: matsubara ?
[16:15] <matsubara> nothing from me
[16:15] <lutostag> nothing here either
[16:15] <smb> arosales, Oops, seems I am late for the show. But I had nothing to report anyway
[16:16] <arosales> lutostag: matsubara: smb: ok, and thanks for joining
[16:16] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:16] <arosales> Tuesday 2014-05-20 at 1600 UTC
[16:16] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:16] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 13 16:17:22 2014 UTC.
[16:16] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-13-16.08.moin.txt
[16:17] <matsubara> Thanks arosales
[16:17] <caribou> thanks arosales
[16:17] <arosales> np :-)
[16:17] <arosales> now if I can remember to send minutes :-)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 13 17:00:50 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:01] <ppisati> o/
[17:01] <kamal> o/
[17:01] <ogasawara> o/
[17:01] <chiluk> o/
[17:02] <arges> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:02] <ppisati> nothing new to report this week
[17:02] <ppisati> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> I have reservations about BP's being the appropriate method for tracking
[17:02] <ogasawara> work items as we move forward.  I've tentatively set up a discussion
[17:02] <ogasawara> point for the team sprint at the end of the month to figure out a better
[17:02] <ogasawara> alternative.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We are preparing to upload our first v3.15 based kernel to the Utopic
[17:03] <ogasawara> archive.  We're awaiting some DKMS package fixes before doing so.  We've
[17:03] <ogasawara> currently rebased to the latest v3.15-rc5 upstream kernel.
[17:03] <ogasawara> Additionally, at a minimum, we will converge on the v3.16 kernel for the
[17:03] <ogasawara> Utopic 14.10 release.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Mon-Wed June 9 - 11, vUDS (~4 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Jun 26 - Alpha 1 (~6 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:03] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Saucy/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:04] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (May. 6):
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <bjf>   * Quantal - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Saucy - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> cycle: 27-Apr through 17-May
[17:04] <bjf> [17:04] <bjf>          25-Apr   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:04] <bjf> 27-Apr - 03-May   Kernel prep week.
[17:04] <bjf> 04-May - 10-May   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:04] <bjf> 11-May - 17-May   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 13 17:05:53 2014 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-13-17.00.moin.txt
[17:05] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury!
[17:05] <arges> jsalisbury++
[17:14] <jose> arosales: did you get to put the minutes on the wiki?
[17:14] <arosales> jose: not, yet but that is my goal for today
[17:14] <jose> ack
[17:14] <arosales> jose I have a few meetings I am currently working on
[17:53] <Silverlion> hi jono ;)
[17:55] <jono> hey Silverlion
[17:56] <Silverlion> jono i don't think that you remember me but we had business back in 2012 together when I was accused of espionage ;)


[03:11] <thomi> Is there anything I can do if I've exceeded my quota of builds for the day? I notice that the build times are very short right now...
[03:13] <wgrant> thomi: You should ask your manager about that limitation :)
[03:14] <thomi> wgrant: it's not for work, for a personal project
[03:14] <thomi> oh, I see what you're saying
[03:14] <thomi> ;)
[03:14] <wgrant> No, there's no way to avoid it, unfortunately.
[03:14] <thomi> is that a recent restriction? I've not run into it before
[03:14] <wgrant> Nah, it's been there since the start.
[03:15] <wgrant> Max of 5 builds per recipe per series per day.
[03:15] <thomi> OK
[03:15] <wgrant> I think it's pretty pointless and harmful, but others disagreed :)
[03:15] <thomi> well, I guess it stops people abusing the system
[03:16] <wgrant> Yeah, unfortunately it also stops legitimate use :(
[03:17] <wgrant> Most of the time it's not a problem, but it's not possible to relax the restriction when it is problematic.
[03:40] <lifeless> I'm not sure an override system would pull its own weight
[03:41] <lifeless> unless it was generic and usable on $many policies (quota, builds, branches, downloads, ...)
[03:52] <wgrant> Indeed.
[09:39] <nyuszika7h> Hi, is it possible to update my keys from Ubuntu keyserver? When I added my OpenPGP key to Launchpad, it was sign-only.
[16:48] <psusi> the project page for dosfstools appears to be woefully out of date... it shows the last release is from 2006 and points to a web site that is just a text file describing that ancient release.  Could someone update it?  It looks like the current home page is http://www.daniel-baumann.ch/software/dosfstools/
[22:06] <dash> Hi! I want to have Launchpad build a package for me in my PPA, but it build-depends on another package in my PPA. Is there a way to make that work?
[22:07] <EvilResistance> dash, if the package is already in your PPA, it'll use that
[22:07] <dash> EvilResistance: Hmm, it seems not to.
[22:07] <dash> https://launchpad.net/~washort/+archive/ppa/+build/3222858
[22:07] <dash> i have the dependency listed in my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~washort/+archive/ppa/+packages
[22:08] <dash> ... oh. They're built for different series.
[22:08] <EvilResistance> that'd be the problem
[22:08] <EvilResistance> make sure the dependency is built for each series you're building for, but also note that you may have to have series-specific versioning numbers
[22:09] <dash> OK.
[22:09] <EvilResistance> for example
[22:09] <EvilResistance> https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw/+archive/znc
[22:09] <EvilResistance> it has a PPA dependency on https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw/+archive/swig2.0
[22:10] <EvilResistance> that second PPA there contains the build-deps that were required for natty
[22:10] <EvilResistance> not sure why the oneiric one was in there though
[22:10] <dash> OK cool
[22:10] <EvilResistance> that there had the same effect as me building the build-deps in the ZNC PPA, but i didnt have to :p
[22:18] <dash> welp, it's building now. Thanks for the help/
[22:57] <jono> has anyone here used jamesh's gpgme Python lib?
[23:07] <wgrant> jono: Launchpad uses it.
[23:11] <jono> wgrant, are you particularly familiar with it?
[23:11] <wgrant> I don't think anyone is any more :)
[23:11] <jono> lol
[23:11] <jono> I am trying to figure out how to verify a file
[23:12] <jono> I signed it on the server side and my client knows the public key
[23:12] <wgrant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lifeless/+junk/gpgverify/view/head:/gpgverify/main.py may be relevant.
[23:36] <jono> wgrant, thanks, although it looks like it is giving me a bad sig even though gpg --verify seems to work for me


[03:58] <KBar> With modern (CSD) window layout selected, Catfish has too short of a search bar, in my opinion.
[03:59] <KBar> It should be dynamic—adjusting itself based on window's size.
[07:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfdashboard 0.9.5 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00628.html


[01:16] <lukacu> night all
[08:48] <artnay> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108761
[10:40] <artnay> hey guys
[10:41] <lukacu> hey artnay
[10:41] <artnay>  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108761
[10:41] <artnay> the first one would be sweet if it was rounded
[10:42] <artnay> I posted this a bit late, but still: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=109635
[10:46] <lukacu> moin klepas
[10:47] <artnay> hello
[10:47] <artnay> klepas: now there's an announcement on ubuntuforums
[10:47] <artnay> and btw, take a look at this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108761
[10:48] <klepas> cool
[10:50] <klepas> i like that
[10:51] <klepas> ah, thanks :)
[12:36] <artnay> hey manicka
[12:37] <klepas> moin moin
[12:39] <manicka> artnay :)
[12:40] <artnay> have looked at the wiki?
[12:41] <manicka> aye, I'll try to be at the meeting later today
[12:41] <artnay> manicka: where did you get the information on meeting?
[12:42] <manicka> hmm, let me check
[12:42] <manicka> now I remember, email to ubuntu-marketing list
[12:43] <artnay> oh, ok. I didn't even know it's there
[12:44] <manicka> the email or the list?
[12:44] <artnay> an invitation
[12:46] <manicka> invite came form
[12:46] <manicka> Invite came from Mauricio Hernandez Z. from Chile locoteam
[12:46] <artnay> he's been busy :)
[12:47] <manicka> bbs
[02:24] <klep[a] s> nice
[02:24] <klepas> Mauricio has really done a lot of mailing of late :)
[02:25] <artnay> indeed
[02:26] <klepas> i have to remember to thank him too for it
[09:46] <lukacu> 2 hours 15 minutes till the meeting :)
[10:44] <bachler> ..
[10:44] <lukacu> ...
[10:45] <lllmanulll> ...?
[10:45] <lukacu> :)
[10:46] <lllmanulll> Huh, the meeting is in 1:15 or 0:15 ? :)
[10:46] <lukacu> 1:15
[10:46] <lukacu> i think
[10:47] <lllmanulll> thanks :)
[10:48] <lukacu> use: 'date -u' in terminal to get utc time
[10:50] <libervisco> 1:15 your time you mean?
[10:51] <lllmanulll> no no, I mean the time until meeting :)
[10:51] <libervisco> 23:00 UTC is exactly midnight here :)
[10:51] <lllmanulll> 1:10 now
[10:51] <libervisco> oh I see
[10:51] <lllmanulll> Well, I live in France, I guess it's midnight for me too
[10:52] <libervisco> yeah, GMT +1
[10:52] <bachler> alexander@daim:~$ date -u
[10:52] <bachler> Thu Dec 29 21:51:13 UTC 2005
[10:52] <bachler> alexander@daim:~$
[10:52] <lllmanulll> Anybody here in charge of art.ubuntu.com ?
[10:52] <lukacu> i am AUC admin ... one of them
[10:52] <lllmanulll> I got a wallpaper pending since a very long time ago
[10:53] <lllmanulll> Ah, great :)
[10:53] <lllmanulll> My username is Manu
[10:53] <lllmanulll> I made this small "Ubuntu|cities" series
[10:53] <lukacu> yes ... i know ... there are about 30 wallpaper submissions pending ...
[10:53] <lllmanulll> not much, but only 2 out of three are available :)
[10:54] <lukacu> the problem is that we just dont have guidelines what to accept
[10:54] <lllmanulll> Well, I made 3 and 2 got accepted
[10:54] <lllmanulll> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/61
[10:55] <lllmanulll> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/63
[10:55] <lukacu> i will check your submission
[10:55] <lllmanulll> They're not masterpieces, but I think the idea is nice :)
[10:55] <lllmanulll> The third one is Venice
[10:55] <lllmanulll> Thanks a lot
[10:55] <lukacu> i agree ... the idea is really cool
[10:56] <lllmanulll> great :) Would be cool to make a full series if other people want to contribute
[10:58] <lukacu> well ... i see the problem .... both files are way over 500k ... it is the unwritten size limit :)
[10:58] <lukacu> we need to write this things in the faq
[10:58] <libervisco> 1024x768 may be better
[10:58] <libervisco> smaller
[10:59] <lukacu> it will hopefully be done after the meeting ... the faq and guidelines
[10:59] <lllmanulll> Should I make JPEG versions instead ?
[11:00] <lllmanulll> Or choose a higher compression rate for the PNGs ?
[11:00] <lukacu> yes ... that would be ok
[11:01] <lukacu> do whatever you like ... as long as the quality remains ok and the size under 500k (maybe even 1000k would be acceptable)
[11:02] <lukacu> the limit is not really set ... but 3mb is way too much
[11:04] <lukacu> about the series of those images ... we can choose a name for the series and then create all wallpapers with same desing
[11:04] <lukacu> i really like the idea
[11:04] <lukacu> maybe even ubuntu calendar package of some kind
[11:06] <trevorv> any ideas if there will be a Xubuntu section on art.ubuntu.com anytime soon?
[11:06] <lukacu> lllmanulll: i will then reject your current submission if it is ok with you ... then you resubmit smaller images? ok?
[11:07] <lukacu> trevorv: that is a question for our supreme admin, henrik
[11:09] <trevorv> ok :) I certainly hope so. Anyone know if there are any Xubuntu devels at the meeting tonight?
[11:09] <lukacu> there are many things to be done at AUC ... we will discuss some at the meeting
[11:09] <lukacu> nope
[11:09] <lukacu> dont know
[11:28] <lllmanulll> lukacu: Sure, no problem
[11:28] <lllmanulll> I'll make a smaller file
[11:33] <lukacu> lllmanulll: after the meeting we can discuss this world cities project... or even at the meeting, but it is a bit late to add it to the agenda
[11:49] <lllmanulll> lukacu: Well, we can discuss it if we run out of subjects ^^
[11:49] <lukacu> lol
[11:49] <lukacu> im sure that wont happen
[11:54] <libervisco> Pascal Klein called for these meetings, right?
[11:54] <lukacu> yes
[11:55] <libervisco> is this the first one?
[11:56] <lukacu> well there was a meeting somewhere in july iirc... but that was 3 people chatting a bit about the team
[11:56] <artnay> in the nick of time... hello
[11:56] <lukacu> hi artnay
[11:56] <artnay> mhz and klepas, where are they? :o
[11:56] <lukacu> dont know
[11:57] <libervisco> well that's great
[11:57] <libervisco> He was talking something about needing better organization so this is a good step :)
[11:57] <lukacu> :)
[11:57] <libervisco> btw, I'm not a member, he just invited me to come here
[11:57] <lukacu> no problem
[11:58] <artnay> http://hdr.unk.fi/~artnay/leaf_by_machine6featUbuntu.png
[11:58] <lukacu> libervisco: you are from croatia? it says so in your profile ....
[11:58] <libervisco> lukacu, yep
[11:59] <lukacu> cool ... i am from slovenia :)
[11:59] <libervisco> hehe.. nice :)
[12:00] <libervisco> we're neighbours then :)
[12:01] <libervisco> heh, only klepas missing
[12:01] <libervisco> I think :P
[12:01] <libervisco> Hi mhz
[12:01] <lukacu> mhz hello
[12:01] <mhz> hi all
[12:01] <mhz> I have bad news :(
[12:01] <lukacu> ?
[12:02] <mhz> I have been trying to solve this family issue for the last hour and a half, unsuccessfully
[12:02] <mhz> so I wont attent the meeting
[12:02] <lukacu> ouch...
[12:02] <mhz> I am sorry
[12:02] <mhz> very sorry
[12:02] <lukacu> :(
[12:02] <mhz> and apologize for this murphy
[12:02] <libervisco> ah...
[12:02] <Yetzero> hi guys
[12:03] <ptomes> hi all
[12:03] <libervisco> Hi Yetzero
[12:03] <libervisco> no problem mhz
[12:03] <mhz> I'll read the logs form #ubuntu-meeting though


[12:38] <kierank> If I wanted to backport a use-after-free crash to net-snmp 5.8 on ubuntu 20.04 how do I do that?
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> !backport | kierank can this help?
[13:05] <JanC> a backported bug fix should go into -updates, not -backports
[13:05] <JanC> or maybe even -security
[13:12] <kierank> I'm not 100% sure if it's exploitable
[13:29] <JanC> well, that's often hard to say with this type of crashes
[13:29] <JanC> at the very least it would work as a DoS
[13:40] <JanC> https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html might be useful
[13:55] <tobhe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates is what you might want to follow actually
[13:58] <rbasak> kierank: I would start by preparing a debdiff that patches just that issue. Then ask the security team for first refusal.
[13:58] <kierank> Thanks, will do that
[13:58] <rbasak> If the security team say yes, they'll take it into focal-security. If instead you submit it as an SRU, "have you asked security" would probably be the SRU team's first question :)
[13:59] <rbasak> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue on how to submit a debdiff to the security team.
[14:00] <rbasak> Please do ask for more help here with the process if you need, and thank you for looking to make the package better!
[14:01] <kierank> Thanks
[14:58] <samy1028> Hey all.  So, we're trying to compile a later version of Zabbix-Agent on Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS since the repo version is 4.x.  We need features available in 6.x that's not in 4.0.
[14:59] <samy1028> The issue I'm having is installing libssl-dev. "apt-get install libssl-dev"  It's complaining with:   libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.1 (= 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.17) but 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.fips.2.8 is to be installed
[14:59] <samy1028> any ideas?  Also, anyone know what the timeframe is for 22.04 FIPS Cloud version to be available on AWS and Azure?
[15:03] <jchittum> FIPS timeline for Jammy is pushed out further than we'd like. I'm asking for public roadmap now
[15:04] <samy1028> jchittum, I understand.  I think 20.04 FIPs on Azure/AWS was nearly 2 years after 20.04 base was released.
[15:05] <jchittum> samy1028 , correct. we were hoping for something faster with 22.04, but FIPS moved to a new certification revision, 140-3. it included some differences in cryptography requirements, among other things, that made the move more complex. Plus testing, because no on had done a 140-3 cert yet
[15:07] <samy1028> understood.  We've been having to look over 140-3 also, but so far none of our clients request it.  They're all okay with 140-2 still.
[15:07] <samy1028> any thoughts about why I can't install libssl-dev with FIPS?
[15:09] <tobhe> samy1028: fips or fips-updates and what version of libssl-dev is that
[15:12] <tobhe> normally /etc/apt/preferences.d/ubuntu-fips-updates should pin the fips archive and pull in libssl-dev from there. it looks like yours is trying to use the non-fips version
[15:13] <samy1028> I wonder if it's because we tried building Zabbix-Agent using gnutls-dev on this same system?  don't know.
[15:13] <samy1028> However, this was a base 20.04 that was upgraded to PRO / FIPS.
[15:14] <samy1028> hmm..
[15:15] <samy1028> this is interesting.  It installed FIPS, but when I do "ua status" it's showing fips and fips-updates as disabled.  very odd.
[15:15] <samy1028> I know they were enabled previously.
[15:22] <tobhe> no idea how that would happen. but 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.fips.2.8 implies the fips archive is enabled in sources.list.d
[15:25] <jchittum> could be a stale apt cache? if the apt cache has the fips repo...but one would assume that libssl-dev would _also_ then be referencing the stale cache? maybe?
[15:27] <samy1028> another oddity on this dev machine.  I did:  pro enable fips.  It updated and said a reboot was required.  I rebooted.  And now openssh-server doesn't want to start.  systemctl doesn't even list it anymore but according to apt it's still installed.
[15:29] <samy1028> well, a remove and re-install didn't fix openssh-server.  I may just revert back to a snapshot.
[15:29] <tobhe> try starting it via sshd -D and see what it reports
[15:31] <samy1028> tobhe, sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[15:36] <tobhe> sorry, the full command would be something like: sudo mkdir -p /run/sshd && sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -Dd
[15:47] <samy1028> odd, now it's working.  But I didn't even get a chance to run your command.
[15:48] <samy1028> btw, it's "systemctl status sshd"  not "systemctl status openssh" or "openssh-server"
[15:52] <samy1028> well, fyi - after doing "pro enable fips" and the reboot, I can now successfully install libssl-dev FIPS.
[16:19] <jayb> Hi!  Can someone recommend a way to see more detailed kernel logging of networking issues, specifically macvtap?  The background of the problems I'm having are here: https://braeburn.org/~jayb/ubuntu-macvtap0.txt
[21:58] <deltreey> for the past year or so, I've been migrating various servers from ubuntu-server to debian to minimize my OS footprint, but I wonder if that's a bad idea.  Can anyone explain the trade-offs to me?
[22:05] <konstruktoid> One I can think of is that Debian tends to be a bid slower (or conservative) when it comes to package updates
[22:05] <konstruktoid> Ubuntu has newer stuff
[22:11] <deltreey> that's relevant!
[23:18] <JanC> for some things it's good to use multiple OS & software so that you have an alternative ready when one has an issue
[23:19] <JanC> e.g. I know some people do that for DNS (but Debian & Ubuntu might be too close for that)


[22:21] <jefimenko> is anyone here using 10.10 beta yet?
[22:21] <vlada> jefimenko, yes
[22:22] <jefimenko> do you know if it uses module-jack-sink/module-jack-source for pulseaudio integration?
[22:22] <jefimenko> i'm using them in 10.04 and it's kinda unstable :(
[22:22] <jefimenko> pulseaudio randomly crashes all the tim
[22:24] <vlada> jefimenko, happens here too
[22:24] <jefimenko> aw ok
[22:24] <vlada> not sure if more or less often then in 10.04 though
[22:24] <jefimenko> how often does it happen to you in 10.10?
[22:25] <jefimenko> i can't play music in rhythmbox for more than 30 minutes without pulseaudio crashing
[22:28] <rlameiro> try to run it on  a no -rt kernel
[22:29] <jefimenko> ok
[22:29] <jefimenko> and when i want to do audio work, i should just reboot into the -rt kernel i assume?
[22:29] <rlameiro> yes
[22:30] <rlameiro> jefimenko: you should always do that
[22:30] <rlameiro> if not, at least for enviromental reasons :D
[22:30] <rlameiro> RT kernel uses more power :D
[22:31] <jefimenko> true
[22:31] <jefimenko> i didn't know how much more power though
[22:31] <rlameiro> me neither
[22:32] <jefimenko> it might be 500mW less for all we know
[22:32] <rlameiro> lol
[22:32] <jefimenko> on my system
[22:32] <jefimenko> haha