[11:08] <BluesKaj> Ace2016, mplayer complains about VirtualDubMod <IP_ADDRESS> - no such file or directory
[11:08] <K-Ryan> Good call tsdgeos
[11:08] <pagux2you> when are we getting kde 4 ?
[11:08] <Rictoo_> How would make Ubuntu a different language? (eg., Hungarian)
[11:08] <AFaith> SlimeyPete: which envy version should i install ? the beta version or the stable one ?
[11:08] <rommel> tsdgeos?
[11:08] <Rictoo_> How would I make Ubuntu a different language? (eg., Hungarian)
[11:08] <nicolai_> pagux2you: Have you used automatix or easyubuntu since your last installation?
[11:08] <K-Ryan> Rictoo_ KDE Menu> System Settings
[11:08] <tsdgeos> rommel: kpdf is on k-menu -> graphics
[11:09] <K-Ryan> Then Regional & Language
[11:09] <tsdgeos> not on k-menu -> office
[11:09] <Rictoo_> K-Ryan: What if my language isn't there?
[11:09] <K-Ryan> Is it?
[11:09] <Rictoo_> Nope
[11:09] <nicolai_> pagux2you: I think KDE 4.0 will be released october 22 this year.
[11:09] <K-Ryan> CLick Install New Language
[11:09] <rommel> K-Ryan: No, It is not there!
[11:09] <K-Ryan> What rommel? Kpdf is in the graphics section, if it is installed.
[11:10] <Rictoo_> K-Ryan: Will the entire Kubuntu be that language then?
[11:10] <K-Ryan> If you select it, I think so.
[11:10] <Rictoo_> :\
[11:10] <rommel> let me see if it is available to install
[11:10] <K-Ryan> I've never changed languages so I couldn't tell you.
[11:10] <nicolai_> pagux2you: ahh.. 23 of october :P
[11:10] <K-Ryan> But you should only need to install it, then select it.
[11:10] <K-Ryan> !fonts
[11:10] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[11:10] <zblach> nicolai_: and crashes at the 'add printer' wizard through kcontrol
[11:11] <kblog> is anybody using a wlan-card? how difficult is it to install it?
[11:11] <vrun> Hi Folks :-)
[11:11] <Ace2016> hi
[11:11] <K-Ryan> Hi there vrun
[11:12] <rommel> K-Ryan: It is available to install, Thanks for your HELP... Keep it Up....Helping each other is the only way to make any linux version to overcome MS.
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Ace2016, mplayer complains about VirtualDubMod <IP_ADDRESS> - no such file or directory
[11:12] <K-Ryan> rommel: Glad I could help
[11:12] <rommel> THANKS
[11:12] <nicolai_> zblach: I must admit I cannot help with that. I only know that there are problems with some lexmark printers and that it often works better to not use a hub for connecting printers.
[11:13] <zblach> alright, i'll keep investigating
[11:13] <pagux2you> nicolai_: Its finished appying going for reebot wish me luck
[11:13] <zblach> if i find anything, would you like me to let you know?
[11:13] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: never seen that error before maybe #ubuntu might be able to help
[11:13] <nicolai_> pagux2you: good luck
[11:13] <vrun> ...I just lost my "KDE Menu" ... could recreate it ... but the icon is an open yellow box ... and half of my apps are in Lost&Found now...:-(
[11:13] <vrun> Anybody know what happend?
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Ace2016, here's the output from the terminal, http://www.pastebin.ca/497445
[11:14] <K-Ryan> Does anyone know where I should put a tahoma.ttf font file? I need it to be used in Wine but when I put it in .wine/drive_c/windows/fonts it doesn't work.
[11:14] <pagux2you> bye bye folks ...if my systems still work after reboot we will meet again :-)
[11:15] <K-Ryan> Someone told me to put it in my X11 fonts folder, but there are a few different folder there and I'm unsure of which one to place it in.
[11:15] <nicolai_> zblach: I'll probably be in bed within 30 minutes, so I'm not sure I can be of much help. :)
[11:15] <zblach> ok
[11:15] <K-Ryan> Anyone? Please? =(
[11:16] <vrun> K-Ryan ... http://penguinfonts.com/howto/ubuntu.php  ...should be of help ;-)
[11:17] <AFaith> should i run envy as root or with sudo envy ?
[11:17] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: the problem is with your settings, try    gmplayer -vo xv /home/kaj/Charlotte's.Web.avi
[11:17] <K-Ryan> Using sudo is running it as root if I'm not mistaken.
[11:17] <K-Ryan> !sudo
[11:17] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:18] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[11:18] <AFaith> oh .. i see ...
[11:18] <AFaith> thanks :)
[11:19] <K-Ryan> You're welcome
[11:21] <arturas_> sveiki
[11:21] <DarkParad0x> can anyone help with a prob? i've installed beryl through adept a few days ago and had it set to auto startup, i now removed it and it still won't show my shut down, restart, etc buttons, only log out, any way i can retrieve them?
[11:21] <AFaith> got to restart my pc... hope that envy did his job
[11:21] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: you haven't installed the w32 codecs have you, its a part of that
[11:22] <BluesKaj> yes, i have all coedcs installed and then some , Ace2016
[11:22] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: run locate wmvdmod.dll     does the output show /usr/lib/codecs/wmvdmod.dll
[11:23] <K-Ryan> vrun I think that fixed it, that and some of my tweaking.
[11:23] <K-Ryan> Thanks a bunch
[11:24] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: you might have to update locate's database first, run  sudo updatedb
[11:24] <Ace2016> BluesKaj: then run locate wmvdmod.dll   and if it doesn't show that file then you need to install the codecs
[11:25] <BluesKaj> I don't have xvideo support according to the error output , ace
[11:25] <BluesKaj> err Ace2016
[11:25] <vrun> K-Ryan ... congrats
[11:29] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) Other variations are PIBKAC ("Problem Is Between Keyboard And Chair"), PEBCAC ("Problem Exists Between Chair and Computer"), PEBMAC ("Problem Exists Between Monitor And Chair"), PEBCAK ("Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard"), PEBDAC ("Problem Exists Between Desk And Chair") or EBKAC ("Error Between Keyboard And Chair"). The occasionally seen variant PEBKAM ("Problem Exists Between...
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair". The phrase is used by computer experts as a semi-humorous way to describe to one another that the problem was not in the computer but was instead caused by the user operating it.
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) Another variation of Pebkac is POBCAC (Problem Occurs Between Computer and Chair)
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu)     * POBCAC.co.uk
[11:30] (Ace2016/#kubuntu) BluesKaj: press Alt+F2, type mplayer to run it, right click on video area, go to preferances, and select the video output you want in the video tab
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) ...Keyboard and Monitor") would appear to be based on a misunderstanding and/or misremembrance of the phrase.
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) In 2006, Intel began running a number of PEBKAC web-based advertisements to promote their vPro platform.
[11:30] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) Stop the spam, thanks.
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) Other variations are PIBKAC ("Problem Is Between Keyboard And Chair"), PEBCAC ("Problem Exists Between Chair and Computer"), PEBMAC ("Problem Exists Between Monitor And Chair"), PEBCAK ("Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard"), PEBDAC ("Problem Exists Between Desk And Chair") or EBKAC ("Error Between Keyboard And Chair"). The occasionally seen variant PEBKAM ("Problem Exists Between...
[11:30] (slougi/#kubuntu) thanks for the flooding
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair". The phrase is used by computer experts as a semi-humorous way to describe to one another that the problem was not in the computer but was instead caused by the user operating it.
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) Another variation of Pebkac is POBCAC (Problem Occurs Between Computer and Chair)
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu)     * POBCAC.co.uk
[11:30] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) Stop!
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) ...Keyboard and Monitor") would appear to be based on a misunderstanding and/or misremembrance of the phrase.
[11:30] (HungryBeerBelly/#kubuntu) In 2006, Intel began running a number of PEBKAC web-based advertisements to promote their vPro platform.
[11:30] (cpk1/#kubuntu) !ops
[11:30] (ubotu/#kubuntu) Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[11:30] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) Someone stop him!
[11:30] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[11:31] <nixternal> thanks for the warning :)
[11:31] <pagux2you> its installed
[11:31] <nixternal> haha, beat ya Hobbsee :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> laggy chanserv....
[11:31] <nixternal> hehe
[11:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i connected recently, and it took a good 10 seconds before chanserv responded back
[11:31] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:31] <pagux2you> nicolai_: its it says glx is installed ...its also showing a pakage called new Nivdia Glx
[11:32] <nixternal> I just seen that in -devel
[11:32] <nicolai_> pagux2you: if nvidia-glx is installed, then we're halfway there.
[11:32] <K-Ryan> First time I'm going to try running Half-Life
[11:32] <K-Ryan> Wish me luck!
[11:33] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: good luck, you might need it
[11:33] <cpk1> pagux2you: what card do you have? really new cards should probably use the nvidia-glx-new package
[11:33] <gnomefreak> nicolai_: your gonna need to ban his name too
[11:33] <K-Ryan> I hope not, but here goes nothin'
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ack
[11:33] <pagux2you> nicolai_: now what change X.org ...is that the next step ?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> nixternal: your gonna need to ban his name too
[11:33] <nicolai_> pagux2you: ban me?
[11:33] <gemidjy_> anyway to grep for binary characters, such as the <feff> BOM character? :/
[11:34] <nicolai_> sorry gnomefreak: ban me?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> nicolai_: not you auto complete messed up
[11:34] <pagux2you> nicolai_:  i got it year back ...wud that come under new ?
[11:34] <AFaith> it's me again :(
[11:35] <AFaith> envy method failed
[11:35] <PF-Away> envy bad
[11:35] <PF-Away> !nvidia | AFaith
[11:35] <ubotu> AFaith: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:35] <nicolai_> pagux2you: Go to system settings -> monitor and display -> hardware -> admin ->  configure -> proprietary
[11:35] <AFaith> xserver did not started...
[11:35] <AFaith> but the settings that envy did ?
[11:35] <AFaith> what should i do with them ?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> right on Ace2016 , that one cmnd on the avi file was enuff to reset mplayer to X11 .. thx again for your help :)
[11:36] <Ace2016> np
[11:36] <Ace2016> bye all
[11:36] <PF-Away> :D
[11:38] <nicolai_> pagux2you: I got my graphics card about a year ago too. I use nvidia-glx
[11:38] <nicolai_> pagux2you: have you used my guide?
[11:40] <pagux2you> nicolai_: i can use Monitor and Display ...its giving Error like .....Orphaned module ...old 3rd party modules still lying around :-(
[11:40] <pagux2you> nicolai_: i CAN'T use Monitor and Display ...its giving Error like .....Orphaned module ...old 3rd party modules still lying around :-(
[11:42] <Ayabara> anyone using beagle/kerry, stringi or another good indexing tool?
[11:42] <Ayabara> eh. strigi I meant
[11:43] <pagux2you> nicolai_: my friend r u there ?
[11:44] <nicolai_> pagux2you: hmm... that sounds like something that I'm too tired to help with now. I never felt certain whether or not yu had used automatix (to install nvidia card for example).
[11:44] <lobster> hello
[11:44] <Ayabara> !strigi
[11:44] <ubotu> strigi is an application which index the files on your desktop. homepage: http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=strigi&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[11:45] <pagux2you> i installed nvidea driver manually last time
[11:45] <Ayabara> would you recommend strigi over beagle?
[11:45] <pagux2you> and made changes in X.conf
[11:45] <nicolai_> pagux2you: ahh
[11:45] <nicolai_> hmm
[11:46] <nicolai_> pagux2you: I did that in suse 1 years ago. Not a pleasant experience. :/
[11:46] <pagux2you> yeah ...
[11:46] <lobster> anyone familiar with using knetwork for monitoring my wireless router?
[11:47] <jordi_> Hi, ca n anybody give me some aknowledgement about how to set a Hauppauge WinTV Bt878 TV Card?
[11:48] <nicolai_> pagux2you: oh well... i have to go to bed.. my head is starting to hit the keyboard. I might be here for a few hours tomorrow.
[11:48] <PhinnFort> redrawing of the screen is really laggy
[11:51] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm using Wine to play Half-Life and I was getting no sound.
[11:51] <lobster> K-ryan: now?
[11:51] <lobster> K-ryan: and now?
[11:52] <K-Ryan> I don't think have this emu10k1/2 chpset or Envy24 thing
[11:52] <lobster> K-ryan: only no sound in wine?
[11:52] <K-Ryan> Well I'm not playing it this second, so I couldn't tell you.
[11:52] <K-Ryan> Yes, in Wine.
[11:52] <K-Ryan> So in the FAQ it says something about typing "cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp" in the terminal and it says the device is busy.
[11:52] <lobster> winehq.org
[11:52] <K-Ryan> So I'm guessing that is what's doing it.
[11:53] <K-Ryan> How can I find out what program is using it?
[11:53] <lobster> k-ryan cat /dev/urandom will send a random string of characters to /dev/dsp.  why would you want o do that?
[11:53] <AFaith> me again :D
[11:54] <K-Ryan> Here, http://winehq.atomnet.co.uk/faq.html#noosssound
[11:54] <AFaith> i've installed the restricted driver
[11:54] <K-Ryan> See?
[11:54] <lobster> k-ryan join #winehq, they will be able to help you
[11:54] <K-Ryan> They said "Read the FAQ"
[11:54] <K-Ryan> They're really not that helpful
[11:54] <AFaith> and my monitor acts the same like when i set a wrong resolution
[11:54] <K-Ryan> They wouldn't help me get Steam fonts working...
[11:55] <gp> hi
[11:55] <K-Ryan> Hi gp
[11:55] <AFaith> hello gp :)
[11:55] <AFaith> K-Ryan: any other ideas ?
[11:55] <lobster> K-ryan did you go to winehq.org?
[11:55] <K-Ryan> AFaith that wasn't for you =P
[11:55] <gp> where does Kubuntu stores X config
[11:55] <AFaith> gp i belive in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <AFaith> am i right ?
[11:56] <dacyso> yes
[11:56] <K-Ryan> lobster I'm reading the FAQ, and this section said to try that line, http://winehq.atomnet.co.uk/faq.html#noosssound
[11:56] <AFaith> K-Ryan: any ideas how can i setup my monitor ?
[11:56] <gp> i cant find it in
[11:56] <gp> root@gp-desktop:/etc/X11# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <gp> cat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[11:56] <lobster> what is your sound card?
[11:56] <K-Ryan> AFaith: Sorry I've never dealt with monitor setups in Kubuntu, you can try the system settings area though.
[11:57] <AFaith> ok ....
[11:57] <K-Ryan> lobster: I've no idea.
[11:57] <K-Ryan> Sorry AFaith =/
[11:57] <AFaith> but how can i find the exact name of the monitor ?
[11:57] <lobster> K-ryan you dont know what your sound card is?
[11:57] <AFaith> so i could ask google
[11:57] <AFaith> for the answer
[11:57] <K-Ryan> It's an integrated Intel thing if I'm not mistaken.
[11:57] <cpk1> gp: it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if its not there you should recreate it
[11:57] <K-Ryan> But I'm not positive.
[11:57] <gp> K-Ryan: System Setting Monitor setting is not working after upgrade
[11:58] <gp> cpk1: How then kubuntu is rinning X then ?
[11:58] <dacyso> gp : try find / -name xorg.conf
[11:58] <cpk1> gp: if you lost it after you started X
[12:00] <gp> after upgrade my Xserver crashed due to nvidea config in 6.10 but I manageg to start X by renaming X.conf after that its not created x.conf even after rebooting !!
[12:00] <AFaith> i've seen that in /var/log/Xorg.0.log my monitors name is Generic moonitor
[12:01] <AFaith> thats not the name of it
[12:01] <dacyso> did you try to reinstall nvidia drivers ?
[12:01] <lobster> K-ryan try the cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp again
[12:01] <AFaith> dacyso: i've just installed them
[12:01] <K-Ryan> device  or resource busy
[12:01] <AFaith> i've tryied with envy but it failed and then via restricted drivers
[12:01] <lobster> what type of computer do you have?
[12:01] <K-Ryan> Sony Vaio
[12:01] <K-Ryan> From '01
[12:02] <gp> is there any utility to generate x.conf ?
[12:02] <gp> i think there  was some thing i used in redhat
[12:03] <gp> dont remember the name though
[12:03] <dacyso> gp: don't see, but nvidia drivers do that
[12:03] <dacyso> if you compile them
[12:03] <cpk1> gp: yes dpkg does it but i forget the exact command
[12:04] <dacyso> gp : i forgot the usual dpkg --reconfigure X11-package
[12:04] <dacyso> gp : (can't remeber his name)
[12:05] <cpk1> it should be something like dpkg-reconfigure xorg -someoptions
[12:05] <cpk1> i think
[12:05] <lobster> it shouldn't have an issue with multiple sound inputs, can you reboot and try again?
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:07] <dacyso> yes
[12:15] <Lilacor> hi everyone


[12:03] <kendrick> screenshot? :)
[12:03] <kendrick> i don't have gc in front of me
[12:03] <kendrick> (on Xp at work :^P )
[12:04] <bdoin> one minute
[12:05] <kendrick> thx ;)
[12:06] <bdoin> http://home.gcompris.net/screenshot.jpg
[12:07] <bdoin> You remember we are pointing to your stamps in gcompris. if they are there, the tuxpaint icon appear in the left (like in he shot)
[12:07] <ogra> guys if you are tracking gc bugs, please make sure you have todays build, i updated the packge today ;)
[12:07] <bdoin> you could do the same
[12:07] <kendrick> ah, got it
[12:08] <kendrick> i never actually used windows on my own computer
[12:08] <kendrick> oops
[03:13] <kendrick> cya
[08:50] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW
[09:08] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco
[09:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, biltong pusher =)
[09:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: Hey I am not a pusher!
[09:45] <JaneW> jsgotangco: they are peddling me!
[11:47] <pvanhoof> little question about edubuntu
[11:47] <pvanhoof> is edubuntu usable for schools for very little kids?
[11:47] <pvanhoof> Also note that the computers on a lot of those schools are not always high end computers
[11:48] <pvanhoof> often P2 with +- 100Mb ram
[11:48] <pvanhoof> very little is .. 2 to 6 years of age
[11:48] <pvanhoof> And 6 to 12
[11:49] <pvanhoof> and also note that the teachers aren't at all smart computer users ..
[11:49] <pvanhoof> like .. no shortcut on the desktop means that the computer is broken
[11:49] <pvanhoof> And I'd like to run a few windows applications (wine)
[11:49] <pvanhoof> so .. how can edubuntu help me with that :)?
[12:06] <Zaheer> good afternoon :D
[12:06] <JessicaX^> Hello
[12:06] <JessicaX^> (morning here) lol
[12:07] <Zaheer> good day :D more global
[12:07] <Zaheer> im having trouble with "make" seems i dont have it :D any ideas how to get it?
[12:08] <JessicaX^> FreeBSD?
[12:08] <JessicaX^> Or Linux of some form
[12:08] <Zaheer> nope edubuntu DVD
[12:08] <JessicaX^> ohh -> edubuntu is debian
[12:08] <Zaheer> nope edubuntu is ubuntu
[12:08] <JessicaX^> Zaheer: apt-get install build-essential :)
[12:08] <JessicaX^> and ubuntu is debian ;)
[12:08] <JessicaX^> hence ......
[12:09] <Zaheer> :D
[12:09] <JessicaX^> That command will fix-er-up
[12:09] <Zaheer> oh i forgot dont have inet connection yet thats why i DL the preview DVD
[12:09] <JessicaX^> or sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:09] <JessicaX^> Zaheer: It SHOULD be on the DVD
[12:09] <JaneW> This is a preview of our plan for the Edubuntu website: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-site-layout.png thoughts?
[12:09] <JessicaX^> If it's Ubuntu, it's there
[12:10] <JessicaX^> JaneW: The Orange screws the graphics up
[12:10] <Zaheer> i agree
[12:10] <JessicaX^> doesnt matter .. they'll keep it :P
[12:11] <JessicaX^> It's like "Here's what's going to happen, any comments?"
[12:12] <JessicaX^> Also - Icons are a bit hard to see, plus your eye just goes straight to the orange which just hits you in the face
[12:13] <JaneW> ok
[12:13] <JaneW> do you think it sould be a different shade?
[12:13] <JessicaX^> But just leave it as it is
[12:13] <JaneW> or not orange at all?
[12:13] <JessicaX^> lol, you do what you do
[12:13] <JaneW> We are going for a  loud, vibrant, fun, young, naive look
[12:13] <JessicaX^> Not up to me
[12:13] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:13] <Zaheer> BTW who does the art work for edubuntu. i really dig the the whole cartoonie look...
[12:14] <JaneW> highvoltage put that together
[12:14] <JaneW> Zaheer: thanks, we wanted to look less adult and professional than the rest of ubuntu, and keep an element of fun
[12:14] <JessicaX^> Whooaaa
[12:14] <JessicaX^> The content at the bottom is like SLAP
[12:15] <Zaheer> serious?? i met him for the first time on sat. seems like a very nice guy always smiling :)
[12:15] <JaneW> Zaheer: are you in CT?
[12:15] <Zaheer> yes
[12:15] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:15] <Zaheer> Obs to be specific
[12:15] <JaneW> Zaheer: he's very nice, and yes he is always smiling, happy and helpful
[12:15] <JessicaX^> Wait
[12:15] <JessicaX^> I though ogra was a girl
[12:15] <JaneW> Zaheer: cool, I love Obs
[12:15] <JessicaX^>  Oliver Grawert <-- Wierd girl's name
[12:15] <JaneW> ogra is a guy
[12:16] <JessicaX^> wow
[12:16] <JessicaX^> Hmm, also - I think africans are more worried about being ridden of diseases than wether their software is free
[12:17] <Zaheer> jess are you an african?
[12:17] <JessicaX^> Nope
[12:17] <JessicaX^> But, i've been to Africa
[12:17] <JessicaX^> eg - People dying of not having clean water
[12:17] <Zaheer> where?
[12:17] <JessicaX^> For me, water + food > free software
[12:17] <JessicaX^> Nambia
[12:18] <JessicaX^> also "If we are to lift africa from her circumstances" -> Yep, which we put her in :P
[12:19] <JessicaX^> I still think that "make poverty history" is just an excuse for companies to have an investment for when africa is a new westernised country
[12:20] <JessicaX^> Lots of big companies give lots of cash ... Sounds awfully like the mid 60/70's where all the businesses gave to africa, they spent it all on guns and other stuff, and then all of a sudden, their debt is in the millions
[12:21] <crimsun> JaneW: if I may make a suggestion: the red really screams, and I think the others have mentioned the colors being a bit too vibrant
[12:22] <JessicaX^> Can i try making a website thing
[12:22] <JessicaX^> I'm so bored
[12:22] <crimsun> of course
[12:22] <JessicaX^> Or will it be thrown out once i submit it? :P
[12:23] <crimsun> I don't see why it wouldn't at least be discussed
[12:23] <JaneW> crimsun: you really wouldn't have liked the previous iteration then... http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/2/
[12:23] <crimsun> oh my
[12:23] <JaneW> crimsun: how do you suggest we improve it while still keeping it young and bright and fun?
[12:23] <JessicaX^> Oh my word
[12:23] <JessicaX^> Am i allowed to say "ouch" ?
[12:24] <JessicaX^> Cause that is pure ouch
[12:24] <JessicaX^> in any department that comes to mind
[12:24] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:24] <JessicaX^> Plus, the rounded logo looks like the shape of a bullet
[12:24] <JaneW> this was the first one, but I thought it was too boring and similar to the ubuntu page (nothing new) http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/1/
[12:25] <JessicaX^> eek - brown
[12:25] <JessicaX^> i mean
[12:25] <JessicaX^> YAY brown
[12:25] <JaneW> these are mock ups, which means put together quickly to convey an idea, not perfectly designed or styled.
[12:25] <JessicaX^> Sure
[12:25] <JessicaX^> Or, changed because i said that? :P
[12:27] <crimsun> JaneW: I do like the current layout, but orange and yellow instead of orange and red, please :)
[12:27] <JaneW> yellow?
[12:27] <JessicaX^> oh no
[12:27] <JessicaX^> yellow?
[12:27] <crimsun> not for the entire page
[12:27] <crimsun> just for edubuntu
[12:28] <JaneW> crimsun: OK YOU MEAN THE 2 LIGHTER SHADES IN THE LOGO
[12:28] <JaneW> oops sorry about caps lock
[12:28] <JessicaX^> Wow
[12:28] <crimsun> I don't know how relevant this is, but have you considered accessiblity for kids with color blindness?
[12:29] <JaneW> crimsun: I didn't think of that at all, good point
[12:29] <JessicaX^> Hell no
[12:29] <crimsun> I can't seem to speell
[12:29] <JessicaX^> There are no color blind kids
[12:29] <JessicaX^> What are you talking about
[12:29] <JaneW> crimsun:  is text on red and issue?
[12:29] <crimsun> red in general is an issue
[12:29] <JessicaX^> JaneW: If you think it isn't, it isnt
[12:29] <JessicaX^> :)
[12:30] <crimsun> (I have protanopia, so red really affects me)
[12:30] <JessicaX^> isn't it protaneurope
[12:31] <JaneW> crimsun: what does that mean?
[12:32] <crimsun> JaneW: essentially reds are no go for me
[12:32] <JaneW> crimsun: interesting choice of nick then btw ;)
[12:32] <JaneW> hi fabbione :)
[12:32] <fabbione> yo
[12:32] <JessicaX^> crims_____U_____n
[12:32] <ogra> hey fabbione :)
[12:32] <JaneW> crimsun: do you know if it is a common problem?
[12:32] <ogra> and hey daniels :)
[12:32] <JessicaX^> JaneW: Yes
[12:32] <JessicaX^> It's called COLOUR BLINDNESS
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Or did you already know that
[12:33] <crimsun> JaneW: no, it's fairly rare (it affects the fewest males with color blindness). I would just suggest that the red be kept to a minimum.
[12:33] <ogra> JessicaX^, your comments are sooo helpful today again
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Thanks
[12:33] <JessicaX^> why does she ask
[12:33] <JessicaX^> she'll just do whatever anyways
[12:33] <JaneW> crimsun: ok noted, I'll ask the guys to look at it
[12:34] <ogra> btw, did anybody notice ? we hunted down #12942 yesterday night/this morning :)
[12:34] <JessicaX^> Nope
[12:34] <crimsun> JessicaX^: there's no conspiracy, and all constructive criticism is welcome.
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra: which one was that again?
[12:34] <crimsun> JaneW: many thanks
[12:34] <JessicaX^> rofl
[12:34] <JessicaX^> Don't say the tagline again
[12:34] <ogra> JaneW, timeout on frist boot
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra: great!
[12:34] <ogra> yep :-D
[12:35] <JessicaX^> By the way -> Does edubuntu take as long to boot up as ubuntu?
[12:35] <JessicaX^> CAuse i tried it -> the desktop looks identical o_O
[12:35] <daniels> no, there's patches in it to make it boot roughly twice as fast
[12:35] <daniels> given that they're totally different distributions and all
[12:36] <daniels> ogra: hi.  i'm just here out of a morbid sense of curiousity.
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Uhh? They
[12:36] <ogra> hehe
[12:36] <JessicaX^> They are? wow
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Didnt notice ;)
[12:36] <daniels> yeah
[12:36] <JaneW> daniels: enjoy the show ;)
[12:36] <daniels> edubuntu forked from ubuntu years ago
[12:36] <fabbione> yeah
[12:36] <JaneW> daniels: *thwap*
[12:36] <daniels> the main issue was boot time.  ubuntu refused to take all of edubuntu's patches that make it boot faster.
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Wow
[12:36] <fabbione> daniels and i did a lot of code rewrite to optimize X over network
[12:36] <JessicaX^> For YEARS of work
[12:36] <JessicaX^> It's not that impressive
[12:36] <JessicaX^> ;)
[12:37] <daniels> for about twelve years of work, neither are you :P
[12:37] <fabbione> also the kernel is way smaller to optimize tft download size
[12:37] <ogra> JessicaX^, hey, we even can boot backwards :) click System->Log Out and select shutdown (do it now !)
[12:37] <JessicaX^> I'm twelve?
[12:37] <JessicaX^> Wow
[12:37] <JessicaX^> didnt know
[12:37] <JessicaX^> :o
[12:37] <JessicaX^> I always thought i was 21, due to the birth certificate that proves it and all
[12:38] <JessicaX^> This old?
[12:38] <ogra> (12)
[12:38] <JessicaX^> THAT old
[12:38] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:38] <daniels> whoohoo marco
[12:38] <fabbione> ok..
[12:38] <fabbione> now..
[12:38] <JaneW> YAY
[12:38] <ogra> :)
[12:38] <JessicaX^> Bye bye :)
[12:38] <JaneW> :))
[12:38] <fabbione> JessicaX^: it's time to say good bye
[12:38] <daniels> JessicaX^: there's nothing cooler than insulting non-native english speakers about their language skills.
[12:39] <JessicaX^> fabbione: I guessed it :)
[12:39] <fabbione> so either you start behaving
[12:39] <JessicaX^> daniels
[12:39] <JessicaX^> rofls
[12:39] <fabbione> or your are not welcome here
[12:39] <JessicaX^> <-- non english
[12:39] <JessicaX^> :D
[12:39] <JessicaX^> au revioir
[12:39] <JessicaX^> bon appetit
[12:39] <daniels> rofls isn't a sign of good english, just the vapidness that comes with being in primary school still.
[12:39] <JessicaX^> :O
[12:39] <JessicaX^> ohnoes
[12:39] <ogra> JessicaX^, just behave :) its quite easy.... others manage it too
[12:39] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:39] <daniels> 02:28 < bob2> one day, when I meet a deity, they'll give me 3 questions
[12:39] <daniels> 02:28 < bob2> or let me ask 3
[12:39] <daniels> 02:28 < bob2> and one of them will be "Is hostinggeek a troll, or a really fucking annoying 12 year old?"
[12:40] <JessicaX^> Ooh, swearing is maturity :)
[12:40] <JessicaX^> I swear therefore i am :D
[12:40] <JessicaX^> uber "l337"
[12:40] <JaneW> bob2 is very mature
[12:40] <ogra> JessicaX^ == hostinggeek ?? hmm
[12:40] <JessicaX^> lol, no
[12:40] <JessicaX^> I'm sure
[12:40] <ogra> matches quite well :)
[12:40] <fabbione> well
[12:40] <fabbione> ok..
[12:40] <JessicaX^> Not really
[12:40] <fabbione> i am not as patience as many in here...
[12:40] <JessicaX^> Check the hostmasks
[12:41] <JaneW> fabbione: DOIT!
[12:41] <daniels> anyway, all this chatter about annoying tools is just detracting from our goal here of making edubuntu even faster still than ubuntu, so let's get back to it.
[12:41] <ogra> fabbione, GO !!!
[12:41] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:41] <JessicaX^> Sure sure
[12:41] <JessicaX^> Edubuntu is Ubuntu
[12:41] <Zaheer> bye bye!!!
[12:41] <JessicaX^> come on
[12:41] <ogra> phew :)
[12:41] <ogra> finally
[12:41] <fabbione> JaneW: i want a real one :)
[12:41] <JaneW> heh
[12:42] <fabbione> this isn't virtual sex :)
[12:42] <Zaheer> LOL
[12:42] <JaneW> Zaheer: sorry about having to witness that ;)
[12:42] <JessicaX1> Oops, autojoined
[12:42] <JessicaX1> o_O
[12:42] <daniels> so, um, colour scheme.  i kinda like the artwork hno put up earlier fwiw, but I'm not so sure about making it *too* fun and kid-like, since it's teachers et al rather than kids that will be hitting it.  but it does look good.
[12:42] <Zaheer> its cool :) all part of the fun... although shes back
[12:43] <JessicaX1> Hehe :/
[12:43] <JaneW> daniels: yes I think we need to be careful not to go too kiddy
[12:43] <Zaheer> like the bride of chucky she has returned.
[12:43] <ogra> JaneW, i've put up the BOF list btw ...
[12:43] <JaneW> daniels: crimsun doesn't like the red ... do you agree it's too bright?
[12:43] <daniels> also, I think the red should be a little lighter.
[12:44] <JaneW> ogra: yes I saw that thanks
[12:44] <daniels> fabbione: <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[12:44] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:44] <daniels> ta
[12:44] <JaneW> daniels: ok, I'll see what we can do
[12:44] <fabbione> there
[12:44] <ogra> even my auto disconnect will hit me soon... its about time :)
[12:44] <JaneW> ooooh POWER
[12:44] <fabbione> we still need to wait for highvoltage to fix chanserv
[12:44] <ajmitch_> ogra: *cough* still getting moodle right, sorry :)
[12:44] <daniels> gnr, they only have 128-255
[12:44] <ogra> ajmitch_, its ok... thanks for doing it :)
[12:45] <fabbione> JaneW: like all women in the world you are attracted to power, aren't you? ;P
[12:45] <fabbione> anyway
[12:45] <ogra> heh
[12:45] <fabbione> i am out of here :)
[12:45] <JaneW> lol
[12:45] <JaneW> thanks fabbione
[12:45] <JaneW> appreciated
[12:45] <daniels> turns out it's all on the same ISP, but they just have two /18s
[12:45] <fabbione> daniels: a /16 isn't a bit too much? :)
[12:45] <ogra> yes, thanks a lot
[12:46] <ajmitch_> fabbione: when it keeps sanity in here? :)
[12:46] <daniels> fabbione: eh, anyone on the same ISP as him doesn't deserve to be able to come in unless they go around and kneecap him
[12:46] <fabbione> well...
[12:46] <JaneW> agreed
[12:46] <fabbione> daniels: right... but these kind of bans are more for #LinuxWareZ than #edubuntu :)
[12:46] <JaneW> what country is it from?
[12:46] <fabbione> anyway
[12:47] <ogra> intrestingly hostingeek in -motu behaved a lot better ...
[12:47] <daniels> JaneW: the UK
[12:47] <daniels> ogra: to be fair, that's not saying much
[12:47] <JaneW> ahhh, bloody poms!
[12:47] <ogra> nope, not really, thats true...
[12:48] <ajmitch_> we haven't had a good motu troll for awhile
[12:48] <JaneW> ajmitch_: you can have ours ;)
[12:48] <ogra> true... but the channel is to busy... they would drown there anyway
[12:48] <fabbione> we could still invite the GNAA to troll :P
[12:49] <ajmitch_> JaneW: no thanks :)
[12:49] <ajmitch_> we've got enough work to get done without channel pets
[12:49] <Zaheer> can some explain to me what just happend... i've seemed to have lost the plot somewhere ;)
[12:49] <crimsun> nothing. <--
[12:49] <crimsun> ok, back to layout!
[12:50] <ajmitch_> since he has servers (mainly file/proxy) in a number of schools around the area
[12:50] <JaneW> Zaheer: JessicaX^ has been trolling here and basically causing trouble for some time, we brought in the reinforcements today and got (him?) kicked and banned.
[12:50] <ogra> Zaheer, he/she/(it ?) came here every second day, ranting against everything someone said...
[12:51] <JaneW> Zaheer: sorry about that, but please continue with your real suggestions and ideas
[12:51] <Zaheer> :)
[12:51] <Zaheer> thanks
[12:53] <JaneW> ogra: ask pere_gone or magnon
[12:53] <ogra> yes, or Mithrandir :)
[12:53] <JaneW> ogra: because they are Norwegian and know about 'real' Trolls, not because they are web trolls ;)
[12:53] <JaneW> true
[12:53] <daniels> well, enjoy. :)
[12:55] <Zaheer> did anyone see my question about "make"??
[12:55] <ogra> bah, powerpc exploded competely tonight... the new gcompris is 15 MB bigger :/ but worth it
[12:55] <ogra> Zaheer, build-essential is on the CD/DVD just install it, it pulls in all necessary apps
[12:56] <Zaheer> so apt-get install build-essential will do the trick
[12:56] <ogra> yup
[12:56] <Zaheer> cool :) lemme try
[12:56] <ogra> dont forget sudo in front ;)
[12:57] <hno-livecd> I guess JaneW might already asked about this in here: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-site-layout.png feedback?
[12:58] <hno-livecd> so far we have that the red is a bit too dominating
[12:58] <hno-livecd> (noted)
[12:58] <Zaheer> ogra = indeed
[12:58] <ajmitch_> hno-livecd: how well will this expand to 1280x1024, for example?
[12:58] <Zaheer> i feel that the orange is abit too much as well...
[12:58] <crimsun> yeah, I was just going to ask about the spacing in the right bar
[12:59] <ogra> hno-livecd, and the orange should probably have a gradient... lighter on the left to not swallow the ubuntu logo
[12:59] <ajmitch_> the ubuntu logo in the right hand side gets lost in the orange
[12:59] <ajmitch_> as ogra says :)
[12:59] <JaneW> hno-livecd: we had a lively debate with a troll about it a short while ago
[12:59] <hno-livecd> or some sort of shadow under the logo
[12:59] <JaneW> hno-livecd: be glad you weren't here
[01:00] <hno-livecd> JaneW: I'll check the logs :)
[01:00] <JaneW> ajmitch_: yes, that's why we had to put the edubuntu logo on white
[01:00] <ogra> hno-livecd, or the bright glow the other ubuntu logo on the wiki has
[01:00] <hno-livecd> yepp, I'll play with options
[01:00] <hno-livecd> crimsun: what about the spacing?
[01:01] <JaneW> hno-livecd: I like bold colours rather than gradient for this specific purpose
[01:01] <crimsun> hno-livecd: I was thinking there might need to be more space between each section (quick links, related projects, news highlights)
[01:01] <hno-livecd> ajmitch_: it should adapt to any screensize
[01:01] <crimsun> hno-livecd: but that's probably tied to ajmitch_'s question
[01:01] <JaneW> hno-livecd: we can always have a white background to the partner projects section can't we?
[01:02] <ajmitch_> hno-livecd: so the orange bar will right-align, the white content area will expand?
[01:02] <hno-livecd> crimsun: sounds good. It does need some tweaking
[01:02] <hno-livecd> JaneW: yeah, that might look good
[01:03] <hno-livecd> ajmitch_: yes
[01:03] <hno-livecd> I don't have the link to Jonathan's original ATM, but that does expand
[01:04] <JaneW> http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/4/
[01:05] <ajmitch_> ok, so that has the edubuntu logo on the right
[01:05] <ajmitch_> still very similar
[01:06] <JaneW> ajmitch_: yes it's almost the same...
[01:06] <JaneW> ajmitch_: and the brief I gave to the designer was do anything, it doesn't have to look like the ubuntu logo at all   ;)
[01:07] <hno-livecd> Yeah, it's mainly the same. The main changes are actually here: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-wiki-layout.png on the wiki layout
[01:07] <hno-livecd> which is what I originally set out to do based on Jonathan's web page ...
[01:08] <hno-livecd> but when I couldn't get everything to fit I decided it was just easier to change his page :)
[01:08] <JaneW> hno-livecd: I think ajmitch_ meant the edubuntu logo is pretty similar to the ubuntu logo (unless I misunderstood)
[01:09] <ajmitch_> JaneW: that's true, but I meant the page layout :)
[01:09] <JaneW> oic, sorry
[01:14] <JaneW> hi Karnaugh
[01:15] <JaneW> Karnaugh: if you troll here I
[01:15] <JaneW> 'll thwap you
[01:15] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:15] <Karnaugh> heh
[01:15] <Karnaugh> I'll twap you back ;)
[01:15] <Karnaugh> *thwap even
[01:18] <JaneW> ajmitch_: yes but you aren't a potential troll ;)
[01:18] <ajmitch_> you never know :)
[01:18] <ajmitch_> hi jinty
[01:18] <JaneW> hi jinty
[01:18] <JaneW> ogra: how are things looking atm? are you done with xss?
[01:19] <ogra> JaneW, beside the normal bugs, yes...
[01:19] <ogra> i'll have to revisit the code for standard bugfixing ...
[01:19] <JaneW> ogra: is it still taking a lot of your time? and did Mark accept your changes (3 buttons etc)
[01:19] <ogra> i fixed gcompris over the weekend... its gotten very good
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: GREAT!
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, makr ordered them
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: so it's in and working?
[01:20] <ogra> i made sure they match his expectations *before* ;)
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: very wise!
[01:20] <jinty> hi all
[01:20] <ogra> xss is in since last friday or was it thursday ?
[01:21] <JaneW> fri?
[01:21] <ogra> after that i fixed gcompris... yesterday night the timeout bug...
[01:21] <ogra> hi jinty
[01:21] <JaneW> ogra: how was your holiday yesterday? did you rest?
[01:21] <ogra> not really....
[01:21] <ajmitch_> ogra? rest? heh
[01:21] <ogra> mdz didnt want to accept the gcompris fixes, they were to huge... i had to discuss a *lot*
[01:22] <ogra> (600icons were added to the code)
[01:22] <ogra> but they are in now ;)
[01:22] <ajmitch_> oh good :)
[01:22] <ogra> i fear the discussion about moodle that we#ll have
[01:23] <ogra> but until now i  got nearly everything i needed from him
[01:23] <ogra> JaneW, btw, because i ran out of time for moodle due to xss, ajmitch_ grabbed it... he deserves a big gold star ;)
[01:24] <ajmitch_> I'll accept beer in lieu of stars ;)
[01:24] <JaneW> ajmitch_: oh alright
[01:24] <ogra> now i only have lots and lots of ltsp fixes to do, rebuild the artwork package and see that i weed out powerpc to fit on the CD...
[01:24] <JaneW> ajmitch_: seriously though thanks for the help, we need all we can get
[01:25] <ajmitch_> JaneW: I'll start swimming to montreal as soon as everything is released :)
[01:25] <JaneW> ajmitch_: heh
[01:25] <ogra> oh, and one installer bug i'm hunting curretly... just doing a test install
[01:25] <ajmitch_> JaneW: actually I have ticket beside me, they cost enough :)
[01:25] <ogra> ajmitch_, no e-ticket ?
[01:25] <JaneW> ogra: we need to campaign/trawl for more dev help at UBZ don't you think?
[01:25] <ajmitch_> ogra: nope
[01:26] <JaneW> ogra: it's not fair for it to all be on your head, and then have so many blocks
[01:26] <ajmitch_> all paper tickets
[01:26] <ogra> JaneW, we'll get it... i'm in #ltsp since yesterday... they all like to help...
[01:26] <JaneW> GREAT
[01:26] <ajmitch_> JaneW: I thought I'd help with moodle so that we still have a living ogra at UBZ
[01:26] <JaneW> ogra: then you can be chief whip, and refuse to accept thier packages if they are late ;)
[01:26] <ogra> JaneW, but i'd love to give away even more parts since i didnt do much on ubuntu during this cycle..
[01:27] <JaneW> ajmitch_: orga has been a legend, and deserves praise
[01:27] <ogra> heh
[01:27] <ajmitch_> he does
[01:27] <ajmitch_> he deserves rest, too
[01:27] <ajmitch_> which I suspect he'll appreciate more than praise by release day
[01:27] <ogra> not really... i was very beadly organized in the beginning... mdz will agree on that... but i think he also sees my improvement :)
[01:27] <JaneW> thing is ppl think edubuntu didn't achieve enough so we are fighting an uphill battle :(
[01:27] <JaneW> ogra: yes you really need rest! I hope you are looking after yourself
[01:28] <ogra> JaneW, suse is :)
[01:28] <ogra> she cares for everything here (lots of animals in the house, my food etc)
[01:28] <crimsun> for a second I thought you meant novell-suse
[01:28] <ogra> and she swings the whip before i fall asleep on my keyboard
[01:28] <JaneW> ogra: yes we had a slow start, but it was also a learning curve, and they should have antcipated that, also we lost many weeks after UDU with no one owning edubuntu
[01:29] <ajmitch_> she is very good to you :)
[01:29] <JaneW> ogra: nice
[01:29] <ogra> JaneW, yup... but i could have done better..
[01:29] <JaneW> ogra: though you need to find a new g/f or rename her *hide*
[01:29] <JaneW> (JOKING)
[01:29] <JaneW> is you cat recovered yet?
[01:30] <JaneW> s/you/your
[01:30] <JaneW> ajmitch_: do you keep them in a jar?
[01:30] <ogra> yup, she is fine
[01:30] <JaneW> great
[01:30] <ajmitch_> JaneW: no, on malone
[01:30] <JaneW> ogra: so is suse back now?
[01:30] <ajmitch_> and debbugs for some :)
[01:30] <JaneW> ajmitch_: :)
[01:31] <ogra> yup, she's just reading ;)
[01:33] <ogra> ajmitch_, ask pitti about postgres db creation...
[01:34] <ogra> nobody can explain it better
[01:34] <ajmitch_> ogra: do you want mysql creation as well?
[01:34] <ogra> people will want it i guess...
[01:34] <ogra> i personally would be fine with postgres... but we would make a big step away from debian with it
[01:35] <ogra> and i guess users will moan about it
[01:35] <ajmitch_> they certainly will
[01:35] <ajmitch_> I'd moan if only postgres was supported when the code can do both
[01:36] <ogra> thats unbelivable...
[01:36] <ogra> he rejected it completely...
[01:36] <ajmitch_> I guess moodle will get the same fate
[01:37] <ogra> now he writes "needs integration earlier in a release cycle"
[01:37] <ajmitch_> yeah :-/
[01:37] <ogra> ajmitch_, he said its not supportable at alll
[01:37] <ajmitch_> it's something you were counting on having?
[01:38] <ogra> when the report was agrred by pitti there was plenty of time... but due to his and pittis objections i dropped it
[01:38] <ogra> now it looks like i'd have put up the report to late... thas weird
[01:39] <ogra> (the inclusion report was from late july/early august)
[01:40] <ajmitch_> pitti says moodle has a horrible security history as well
[01:41] <ogra> ajmitch_, yes...
[02:11] <Zaheer> yo mr highVoltage, like to give you a BIG UP on the great art work in edubuntu.   :)
[02:13] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[02:22] <highvolt1ge> JaneW: hi
[02:23] <highvolt1ge> Zaheer: thanks, but i can't take credit for the artwork. it's from the gartoon icon theme.
[02:30] <Zaheer> still looks great tho'
[03:08] <Zaheer> mr voltage are the tuxlabs strictly for schools?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> oh its a turnkey solution indeed
[03:17] <Karnaugh> Zaheer: educational institutions, yes. who else would need a tux lab?
[03:20] <Zaheer> well i know of a voluntary organization that empower the less fortunate with skills such as computers, but these are not school kids its more adults.
[03:20] <Zaheer> i was thinking of approaching them with the idea of using edubuntu to educate those peple.
[03:21] <Zaheer> reason why i asked was that i know the tuxlab project focuses more on schools.
[03:22] <jsgotangco> Zaheer: you can just use ubuntu itself if you want an ltsp environment really
[03:23] <Zaheer> no i would like to support edubuntu in everyway that i can :D
[03:23] <ogra> Karnaugh, small companies that want to save money for hardware through using thin clients ? municipalities etc that want centralized management ?
[03:24] <ogra> indeed they probably would rather use plain ltsp on top of a "non child branded" OS
[03:24] <Karnaugh> ogra: err, my understanding of the "tuxLab" concept is donation of linux powered machines, to educational institutions
[03:24] <ogra> Karnaugh, its a ltsp solution with added edu software and artwork for younger people...
[03:25] <ogra> if you take away the edu apps and the specialized artwork, you have a perfect solution for small offices etc
[03:25] <Karnaugh> http://www.tuxlab.org.za/
[03:26] <jsgotangco> Zaheer: with a client, i just use Ubuntu with ltsp really...
[03:27] <Zaheer> cool, still have to figure out how to do that tho', been messing with the workstations only.
[03:27] <highvolt1ge> Zaheer: the model is designed with schools in mind, but we are also looking at installing in prisons, and have installed at libraries as well.
[03:29] <Zaheer> well let me approach them first and see what they say.
[03:29] <Zaheer> maybe they already have a computer program in place.
[03:51] <spacey> JaneW, ping
[04:09] <mhz_zzZ> MOIN Y'ALL
[04:11] <JaneW> spacey: pong
[04:12] <jsgotangco> mhz_zzZ: and its time for me to sleep =)
[04:12] <mhz_zzZ> bong
[04:12] <spacey> JaneW, i just got reply from school, and they accepted my proposal for working on ubuntu. so you got yourself a little helper now for after ubz ;)
[04:13] <jsgotangco> spacey: wow
[04:13] <mhz> jsgotangco: i woke up
[04:13] <jsgotangco> spacey: what will you be doing specifically?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mhz: if it interests you, i've moved all docs in wiki form at the edubuntu website =)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mhz: pig out =)
[04:14] <spacey> jsgotangco, to be decided at UBZ mostly, at least regarding edubuntu
[04:14] <spacey> also some other stuff
[04:14] <mhz> I know this may not be the right #channel BUT i already spent 19 hourse yesterday and I could not solve my stupid problem. Could someone help me understand why TFTP does not provide packages???
[04:14] <JaneW> spacey: awesome!
[04:15] <spacey> yup :)
[04:15] <JaneW> :)
[04:15] <jsgotangco> nice, free labor joke :)
[04:19] <Zaheer> anways im outta here... have a good evening,morning,afternoon everyone. l8tr :D
[04:20] <magnon> JaneW: ask me about what? :P
[04:20] <magnon> :)
[04:20] <JaneW> magnon: trolls
[04:21] <magnon> Oh, right
[04:21] <magnon> Jessica
[04:21] <magnon> and real trolls
[04:21] <magnon> we city people don't have many of the real ones though
[04:23] <jsgotangco> good night =)
[04:24] <mhz> jsgotangco: nite
[04:25] <mhz> JaneW: if i recall correctly, you posted (or someone) a url about a this guy who had worked on a terrific proposal for breezy covers. Actually, those may have been the very first proposals. do you have that url??
[04:27] <JaneW> mhz: yes
[04:28] <JaneW> une momento por favore
[04:28] <mhz> JaneW: yes as in "I can help you solve your TFTP problem" or as in "yes, I have that url"
[04:28] <JaneW> http://ubuntu.tux.com.au/gallery/
[04:28] <mhz> JaneW: no hay problema, estoy acostumbrado a esperar :)
[04:30] <mhz> yep, that was it
[04:30] <mhz> .oO(very cool designer)
[04:30] <mhz> JaneW: is there an official Ubuntu Breezy CD cover yet?
[04:31] <mhz> (so I can work on the Edubuntu one)
[04:31] <JaneW> I haven't been able to find it, but there must be
[04:31] <JaneW> unfortunately the person I have to ask want there to NOT be edubuntu CDs
[04:31] <JaneW> sigh
[04:31] <mhz> I looked for it aprox. 5 hours, unsuccessfully
[04:32] <jsgotangco> JaneW: are we having a limited print run of pressed cds?
[04:32] <mhz> ok, no problem. We just need hm to mention what official Ubuntu cover will be, no need to mention about Edubuntu :)
[04:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: not fair, you were sleeping!
[04:33] <mhz> :)
[04:33] <JaneW> there's no plan for right now, but after the relase if we have a good stable and usable CD then I can motivate for 'a few hundred' now
[04:33] <JaneW> I may have to get them done locally
[04:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW: I can source over to some contacts from the local print media as well to check the costing
[04:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW: its usually done in Hong Kong
[04:34] <JaneW> but a few 100 makes it less cost effective
[04:34] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:34] <jsgotangco> let's test the market first =)
[04:37] <mhz> JaneW: where this dsigner come from?
[04:38] <JaneW> geographically?
[04:38] <JaneW> it's Sebastein Loss from France
[04:38] <JaneW> community member
[04:38] <jsgotangco> seems french
[04:38] <jsgotangco> bingo
[04:38] <jsgotangco> that's old artwork really
[04:38] <jsgotangco> a few weeks after breezy was announced
[04:39] <mhz> yes, hence my surprise!
[04:39] <mhz> he just did it, and he did a great job
[04:39] <JaneW> look I book marked that months ago, and haven't seen anything else...
[04:40] <jsgotangco> i won't be surprised if we'll be seeing drake artwork a few days after breezy is released
[04:40] <jsgotangco> but at the moment, Sebastien's artwork is the most professional-looking
[04:41] <jsgotangco> ok i gotta sleep now really
[04:41] <jsgotangco> good night
[04:42] <mhz> nite
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW does anyone have designs for the Breezy CD covers and labels?
[04:43] <JaneW> jdub JaneW: silbs
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs JaneW: they aren't final yet - will upload to the wiki as soon as they are
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW silbs: ok thanks
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs silbs: I can send you non-final versions if you are curious, but don't want them distributed yet
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW silbs: we'd like a matching edubuntu design even if they don't get printed for us
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs cd packages should be final late today. cd faces are having colour problems, probably not final till next week
[04:43] <JaneW> jdub silbs: are we going to publish them to public wiki, or have 'unofficial' versions of them?
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW silbs: so we are just looking at the general theme and idea, so far all we have to go on is : http://ubuntu.tux.com.au/gallery/CDcovers-etc
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs jdub: as above, "will upload to the wiki as soon as they are" final
[04:43] <jsgotangco> #c?
[04:46] <JaneW> yep
[04:47] <mhz> JaneW: as soo as I can see the release candidate, I'll work on a edubuntu idea
[04:47] <JaneW> ok, should be in the next day or 2
[04:48] <mhz> np, as I said in spanish b4.. "I can wait"
[04:50] <JaneW> mhz: I gathered that what you said, since I know like 4-5 stock movie phrases I could have been certain though ;)
[04:51] <mhz> lol
[04:52] <ogra> mmmmm :)
[04:52] <ogra> the edubuntu usplash works :)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:53] <jsgotangco> its actually nice
[04:53] <ogra> i havent seen it, its my first test install since 12 days :)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ahh i install/update at least every 2 days
[04:54] <jsgotangco> night
[04:54] <ogra> screensaver and gcompris hacking kept me away from it
[04:54] <ogra> night jsgotangco
[05:03] <highvolt1ge> ogra: how's gcompris?
[05:03] <ogra> fine
[05:03] <ogra> try it ;)
[05:03] <ogra> it needs tester
[05:04] <ogra> s
[05:04] <highvolt1ge> ok. will do tonight. an apt-get update ; dist-upgrade should be fine, right? i don't need to download a new nightly build, right?
[05:05] <ogra> yup
[05:05] <highvolt1ge> and if i download it in normal breezy, will it be the same as edubuntu?
[05:05] <ogra> yup
[05:05] <highvoltage> ok. downloading now.
[05:06] <ogra> 6.5.3-2+7.0.2ubuntu1 is the recent version
[05:07] <highvoltage> cool. that's the one apt is downloading.
[05:07] <highvoltage> only going at 8kb/s though :/ should be finished in 42 minutes at least.
[05:07] <ogra> phew, thats slow
[05:26] <macgyver2> Can anyone give me an estimate of the size of the edubuntu installs?
[05:26] <ogra> about 2.6 GB
[05:27] <macgyver2> For each or combined?
[05:27] <ogra> ??
[05:27] <ogra> for the install....
[05:28] <ogra> actually its a bit less, but the final version will be around that value
[05:28] <macgyver2> You've got the server then you have the clients, right?
[05:28] <ogra> its ltsp
[05:28] <highvoltage> macgyver2: are you talking about an ltsp setup? you only need to install it once, it doesn't require any more space for additional workstations.
[05:28] <ogra> its all on one machine
[05:29] <macgyver2> Okay...guess I'll have to read more :)
[05:29] <ogra> since the ltsp server is our default install, the default install contains everything needed... this is about 2.4 to 2.6 GB
[05:30] <ogra> (it varys depending on the language you install)
[05:31] <macgyver2> Okay, thanks very much.  I wanted to play around with something so I decided to try to play with edubuntu under UML.
[05:32] <highvoltage> oooh. nice. no more complaining about missing images.
[05:32] <ogra> highvoltage, gc ?
[05:32] <ogra> :)
[05:33] <ogra> yes, the fix contains ~ 600 new icons
[05:33] <highvoltage> ogra: yes :)
[05:34] <highvoltage> :/ there is one place where it complains about language packs not being installed
[05:35] <JaneW> I'm off to yoga. Bye
[05:35] <ogra> have fun :)
[05:35] <ogra> highvoltage, where ?
[05:36] <ogra> the -en pack is installed by default, it shouldnt do that
[05:37] <ogra> but i'm pondering to drop the completely... since the audio files make no sense at all without sound
[05:37] <ogra> as well as i will disable all sound stuff on the desktop ... (soundserver, volume control) i think
[05:39] <mhz> good point
[05:40] <ogra> highvoltage, if you find the place wher gc complains about missing langs, please file a bug with the list of gc packages you have installed and an explanation where exactly this occurs
[05:43] <highvoltage> under reading: click on a letter
[05:43] <highvoltage> ogra: where do i file the bug report again?
[05:43] <ogra> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <ogra> highvoltage, doesnt occur here
[05:47] <ogra> but i have the german sounds package installed...
[05:47] <highvoltage> this is on a breezy system, should that make a difference?
[05:47] <ogra> do you have gc-data gc-sounds-en installed there ?
[05:48] <ogra> these are needed
[05:48] <ogra> (they are installed by default with edubuntu)
[05:49] <highvoltage> gcompris-data: yes, installed. gcomprix-sound-en: no, installing now.
[05:50] <highvoltage> gcompris-sound-en does not seem to install by default when you install gcompris on Ubuntu Hoary.
[05:50] <highvoltage> is this a bug, or normal?
[05:50] <highvoltage> and will this bug fall under ubuntu, or universe?
[05:50] <ogra> thats normal... you should install the language pack for your locale
[05:50] <ogra> ubuntu
[05:51] <highvoltage> ok. then i shouldn't file a bug?
[05:51] <ogra> but thats no bug if it works after installing the sound-en package
[05:51] <ogra> gcomprs recommends the sound packages, it doesnt depend on them
[05:52] <ogra>  apt-cache show gcompris-data ;)
[07:04] <scav> in what package is the "teacherspet" application?
[07:04] <ogra> there is no package .... its not ready for this release
[07:05] <ogra> i will care for a backport to breezy as soon as it hits dapper...
[07:06] <scav> cool
[07:06] <scav> havent tried edubuntu yet, looking forward for the first release, gonna test it right away :)
[07:07] <ogra> make sure to read http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting before installing, i try to keep it up to date with the remaining bugs you could encounter... so you are prepared
[07:07] <scav> nice :)
[07:08] <scav> im running a customized fc4 install for my school at the moment, got about 100 users on it. maybe i will switch to edubuntu.. love the desktop distro
[07:10] <ogra> :)
[07:11] <magnon> scav: have about 100 users at a place too, ubuntu so far, edubuntu after release :)
[08:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: Fear Factor?
[10:13] <yvesC> ogra: thanks !
[10:13] <ogra> yvesC, please test it :=)
[10:13] <yvesC> The new gcompris package is perfect.
[10:13] <ogra> yay
[10:13] <ogra> thats a nice compliment :)
[10:14] <yvesC> administration works fine. I have selected working boards with filter, at hand. That works
[10:14] <ogra> fine
[10:15] <ogra> i'd love to have some automatic selection for the sound packages based on the installation locale but i doubt that will mak it before release in the installer
[10:15] <ogra> its a bit complicated to change...
[10:16] <yvesC> profiles works fine too. All seems ok.
[10:16] <yvesC> sounds.
[10:17] <yvesC> If gcompris is in the default install, you could put gcompris_sound_locale in langage_pack ?
[10:18] <ogra> nope, since i'd have to change langpacks for ubuntu...
[10:18] <ogra> that not feasable
[10:18] <yvesC> langpack are the same for ubuntu...
[10:19] <ogra> yup
[10:19] <ogra> i only can do it in the installer
[10:19] <yvesC> a mail from dpkg to inform the user ?
[10:19] <ogra> nah
[10:20] <ogra> i think for now i'll put a note in the install notes and install -en by default...
[10:20] <ogra> for next release there will be some intelligence in the installer
[10:20] <yvesC> ok
[10:22] <yvesC> gcompris should check that better too. For now there is just a dialog in click_on_letter if voices are missing.
[10:22] <bdoin> at some point, it would be great to discuss on how to integrate well all eduapp altogether by using some common api that makes user management and reporting easy.
[10:22] <bdoin> Have you already though about that ? is this important for you ?
[10:22] <ogra> its planned for dapper...
[10:23] <ogra> sorry guys, i have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[10:23] <bdoin> great
[10:23] <bdoin> no problem
[10:23] <yvesC> by
[10:31] <yvesC> fonts-ttf-dustismo
[10:32] <yvesC> sorry, bad chan


[00:01] <Renegade15> good day...I recently started knotes for the first time in a while, and it ran through some automatic file conversion - now all my notes save for one are gone. Could somebody explain to me what happened there?
[00:21] <AndroidLoverInSF> if i have ubuntu 11.04 and installed the kde package, and use that primarily, to upgrade to 11.10, do i follow the ubuntu directions (then install kde packages), or do i run the 11.04 -> 11.10 from kde?
[00:25] <dahlia> is there another package I can install to listen to shoutcast? I was using amarok but I couldnt figure out the UI and it stopped working completely
[00:26] <Renegade15> both vlc and smplayer should be able to listen to shoutcast streams
[00:26] <dahlia> ty Ill try those
[00:27] <dahlia> I tried installing mplayer but it doesnt seem to work either
[00:28] <Renegade15> what exactly are you looking for?
[00:29] <dahlia> something to listen to music with. I usually listen to shoutcast and also my mp3 collection
[00:29] <dahlia> I was using amarok but it just stopped working completely, no idea why and I didnt even touch it
[00:30] <Renegade15> have you looked at songbird? http://getsongbird.com/
[00:30] <dahlia> Id prefer to just use whatever I can install from aptitude first
[00:32] <Renegade15> looks like they killed the linux version anyway
[00:32]  * Renegade15 is behind the times
[00:33] <dahlia> hmmm is there a linux winamp?
[00:33] <what_if> xmms / xmms2
[00:34] <dahlia> oh I remember trying that once and totally failing lol
[00:35] <Renegade15> those two are problematic, imo
[00:35] <westmi> VLC WORKS PRETTY GOOD
[00:35] <westmi> crap sory about the caps
[00:35] <Renegade15> xmms was awesome, but it's outdated/discontinued
[00:35] <Renegade15> and xmms2 is still in preview releases, as far as I can see
[00:36] <Renegade15> wasn't very feature-rich/stable last I tried it, though that's admittedly been a while
[00:36] <what_if> ahhh.. looks like I'm behind on xmms :)
[00:36] <dahlia> installing smplayer, vlc, and xmms2. will see how they work
[00:36] <Renegade15> wikipedia says the last stable was on 16 Nov 2007
[00:37] <Renegade15> a pity, really...it was as close as you could get to winamp
[00:39] <dahlia> vlc seems to be working :)
[00:40] <dahlia> anyone know how to set it as default player when I download a stream playlist on firefox?
[00:40] <dahlia> oh and ty for suggestions :)
[00:40] <Renegade15> in the system settings, there's the app preference thingy
[00:41] <Renegade15> in FF, in the Preferences, you have the Applications settings
[00:41] <Renegade15> those would be my places to start, though I didn't set that up myself
[00:42] <Renegade15> System Settings -> Hardware area -> Multimedia is what I mean
[00:42] <dahlia> ah ok I was looking in file associations
[00:43] <Renegade15> my firefox actually has icecast and shoutcast playlists as already existing application types I can configure
[00:43] <Renegade15> so go there, I'd guess ;)
[00:45] <dahlia> lol I cant even find preferences in FF
[00:46] <Renegade15> are you coming straight from windows?
[00:46] <dahlia> I forgot to mention my eyes are kinda... meh...bad
[00:46] <dahlia> no Ive used linux for a long time but not kde
[00:47] <dahlia> I was using gnome but I cant handle the latest ubuntu unity stuff
[00:47] <Renegade15> check under Edit, is my point
[00:47] <dahlia> so Im using kubuntu now
[00:47] <Renegade15> KDE > *
[00:48] <dahlia> I like kde but it confuses me sometimes
[00:48] <Renegade15> how so?
[00:48] <dahlia> not knowing where to look for things
[00:49] <dahlia> and amarok was totally confusing to me too
[00:49] <Renegade15> eh
[00:49] <dahlia> I dont see well and I didnt understand the icons
[00:49]  * Renegade15 never liked Amarok
[00:49] <dahlia> hmmm FF says VLC for a lot of applications
[00:50] <dahlia> so maybe its working just from installing vlc and deleting amarok
[00:50] <dahlia> ty :)
[00:51] <Renegade15> VLC is a very solid player and among the best open source products there are - you should have no issues with it
[00:51] <dahlia> cool
[00:51] <Renegade15> I've rarely seen anything it didn't play
[00:51] <Renegade15> and those were usually very exotic codecs
[00:53] <westmi> vlc does play video's also :)
[00:53] <dahlia> I remember having it on ubuntu 9.1 and I liked it
[00:54] <dahlia> also used... totem?
[00:54] <dahlia> totem had a nice graphical thingie
[00:54]  * Renegade15 never used that one, either
[01:20] <kurumin> oi
[01:25] <daneshar> how to convert mp3 to ogg codec ?
[01:26] <Renegade15> daneshar: with an encoder/transcoder of your choice
[01:26] <Renegade15> mencoder can do it, for example
[01:26] <Renegade15> (at least I'm rather sure it can)
[01:27] <daneshar> how i can do it by terminal ?
[01:27] <Renegade15> it may help your searches to know the actual codec is ogg vorbis, not just plain ogg
[01:29] <Renegade15> try mencoder
[01:31] <administrator> hm
[01:31] <Guest61054> ...
[01:32] <Guest61054> jemand da?
[01:32] <Renegade15> ja
[01:32] <szal> !de | Guest61054
[01:33] <Guest61054> ich hab dieses Programm eben erst auf meinem Laptop gefunden...ist irgendwie seltsam
[01:34] <szal> nothing funny about Quassel, if you ask me..  you got the directions, follow them ;)
[01:36] <Guest61054> okay
[02:13] <Zacarias> Ok, I changed my computer's name using this link http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2732/ubuntu_how_to_change_computer_name/    (I changed the two files) and now I'm stuck at the kdm login screen. Whenever I enter my username and password, it loops back to the login window with an empty password. Any help?
[02:14] <Zacarias> I can login via the console, however
[02:30] <DarthFrog> Zacarias: Two files?  What two files?  /etc/hostname is the only one you needed to edit.
[02:34] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: In the commentaries there were several ones advising to change /etc/hosts also. I did it before restarting
[02:36] <DarthFrog> But just hosts and hostname?  That's not what's causing your GUI login problem, I shouldn't think.  However, since you can login at the console, change them back and see if it makes any difference.
[02:37] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: Yes, I don't see why it should. But I'll follow your advice.
[02:40] <CainMadness> I am having a problem getting plasma themes to work. I install them with the built-in theme lists, shows an uninstall button.. But I can't find them in the list to choose from, to change theme. What did I break?
[02:42] <DarthFrog> CainMadness: I don't know but you get to keep both pieces! :-)  Did you log out and log back in again?  I don't know if that makes any difference, though.
[02:43] <CainMadness> I went even so far to restart the netbook.
[02:43] <CainMadness> Still not showing in the list. Puzzling.
[02:46] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: Iloged in with the console. I tried to run sudo gedit /etc/hosts and it tells me "sudo: unable to resolve host My Computer's Name"
[03:00] <d1v4d> test
[03:15] <DarthFrog> Zacarias: Try booting into recovery mode and do it there.
[03:16] <DarthFrog> Zacarias:  Or boot from a LiveCD,  mount your systems root partition in the live environment and then edit the file.
[03:16] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: I was able to open the file with nano instead of gedit. But I don't know what to do with it now
[03:17] <DarthFrog> Change it such that the name in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts (for <IP_ADDRESS>) are the same.
[03:19] <DarthFrog> You don't need to have your hostname in /etc/hosts. "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost" is perfectly acceptable.
[03:23] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: ok, I'll try that
[03:30] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: I deleted all the mentions to my hostname in /etc/hosts  But I keep having the same problem. Login screen, then some visual noise in the screen, then the login again
[03:32] <DarthFrog> Zacarias:  Your hostname is set in /etc/hostname.  Somewhere, there is a misconfiguration.  Change that name back to exactly what it was before.
[03:33] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: yes, I'll try that too
[03:41] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: Yes, that solved the problem. Is there a rule for creating hostname's? I have a hostname with two words like this "myname-xubuntu" (I was using Xubuntu before), and I tried to change ut to "Myname Ubuntu". What was the problem, do you know?
[03:42] <DarthFrog> Zacarias: You can name your computer anything you want, in one word.  But I would presume that you introduced a conflict by changing the name by hand.
[03:43] <DarthFrog> You could try "sudo hostname <new name>", which is a better way to do it.
[03:44] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: Or by the fact that there where two separate words, maybe? Anyway, thanks for your help!
[03:44] <DarthFrog> Two words?  I would think that might have caused the problem.
[03:46] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: Yes, the name I tried was "Carlos Ubuntu" (Carlos is my name, of course).
[03:46] <DarthFrog> Hmm, it seems that the hostname command doesn't make a permanent change and that editing /etc/hostname by hand is the way to do it. :-)  "man hostname" for details.
[03:46] <DarthFrog> Zacarias: Try "Carlos_Ubuntu"
[03:46] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: Ok!
[03:46] <Zacarias> DarthFrog: I'll try that.
[03:48] <DarthFrog> Are we having FloodBot wars???
[03:49] <Zacarias> It seems so! LOL
[03:56] <hate_> need help muon keeps crashing and i am still really  new to linux ... need help
[06:07] <daniel1> "explorer" just died in kde. I'm not sure how to relaunch it
[06:07] <daniel1> anyone?
[06:50] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[06:53] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[10:47] <ralf_> hi
[10:47] <ralf_> i've got a question, i'm developing a qt based media and game library
[10:47] <ralf_> i'm looking for a way to list the installed games
[10:48] <ralf_> or list installed packages from the 'games and amusement' category
[10:49] <ralf_> i have some less than ideal ideas such as parsing the system menu
[10:49] <ralf_> is there a better way?
[10:50] <ts2> ralf_: use the apt/dpkg database, if you're only interested in Debian/Ubuntu based distros
[10:51] <ts2> QApt is the library that things like muon use to interface with dpkg/apt -> https://launchpad.net/qapt
[10:55] <ralf_> thanks for the tip but I don't think I would be able to make use of that since I use Lua
[10:55] <ralf_> and lqt as the qt binding
[10:58] <ralf_> i can use dpkg --get-selections to list the installed packages
[10:58] <ralf_> i just need to set a 'games' filter
[10:58] <ts2> yeah, your best bet is to use popen dpkg
[10:59] <ralf_> or use qprocess and read the input
[10:59] <ts2> qprocess does popen ;)
[11:00] <ralf_> ok then how to filter the dpkg output to categories
[11:00] <ralf_> reading the man page atm
[11:02] <ts2> ralf_: maybe just parsing /var/lib/dpkg/status will help
[11:07] <ralf_> ok thanks, that might be useful
[11:07] <ralf_> another question
[11:07] <ralf_> i would like to install a global shortcut for my app
[11:08] <ts2> you need to create a .desktop file for your app, and place it in /usr/share/applications
[11:09] <ts2> the format is INI style, you mostly just need an Type, Exec, and Name entry, then it should appear in the menu
[11:09] <ralf_> but officially, as in add a KDE component  in System Settings > Global Keyboard Shortcuts, and then list the shortcuts in there
[11:10] <ralf_> ok let's see
[11:10] <ts2> oh, a keyboard shortcut
[11:11] <ts2> that's a little different
[11:11] <ts2> to use the KDE shortcut system, you need a KDE application (using the KDE libraries), but Qt allows for global shortcuts as far as I know
[11:12] <ralf_> the .desktop info is useful too, thanks for that
[11:14] <ralf_> actually i could iterate over all the desktop shortcuts for installed games, answers my first question ;)
[11:14] <ralf_> but afaik qt does not support global shortcuts
[11:16] <ts2> I've never really tried to create a global shortcut, usually I'm only interested in shortcuts when my app has focus
[11:21] <ralf_> i'd like to assign the media control buttons
[11:21] <ralf_> y'know, play, next, previous, volume control etc
[11:21] <ralf_> purpose of those is somewhat defeated if you need to focus the player first
[11:21] <ts2> you probably need to use the KDE libs, or X directly for that
[11:22] <ts2> KDE has a daemon that listens for all events and passes them along to the app
[11:22] <ralf_> dbus?
[11:22] <ts2> via dbus, yes
[11:24] <ralf_> i noticed you can import keyboard shortcut schemes in global shortcut settings
[11:24] <ralf_> so maybe I could just create a file and then import that
[11:25] <ts2> the thing is, KDE would have no way to inform your application that the shortcut was activated unless it was registered with the KDE system (at least, that's how I understand it)
[11:28] <ralf_> i'm looking at an exported kksrc file
[11:28] <ralf_> for example
[11:28] <ralf_> [yakuake][Global Shortcuts]
[11:28] <ralf_> toggle-window-state=F12
[11:29] <ralf_> maybe the first field would be the window class
[11:29] <ralf_> the second row the function in the app to call
[11:29] <ralf_> then the last field the key
[11:29] <ralf_> but that's probably wishful thinking
[11:30] <ts2> I doubt there is a system to directly call methods in a foreign application
[11:34] <ralf_> ok, last question for now
[11:34] <ralf_> you've been helpful so far, thx :)
[11:35] <ralf_> i would like to trigger a function when a usb device is connected
[11:35] <ralf_> through qt if possible
[11:36] <ts2> ralf_: that's not really possible in plain Qt, though you could probably do it with QtDBus and listen for signals from the system bus
[11:37] <ralf_> ok, i do not have the qtdbus library anyway
[11:37] <ralf_> so forget about that for now
[11:38] <ts2> there is also the Qt Mobility API, but that's a separate set of libraries build on Qt
[11:39] <ralf_> i'm restricted to the libs lqt offers me
[11:41] <PadurKaril> HI
[11:43] <ralf_> maybe another tiny question
[11:43] <ralf_> in my app, i need to browse for an executable
[11:44] <ralf_> I can check whether the file is executable, but not whether it is the one i'm looking for
[11:45] <ralf_> so i would need to look into the file and get stuff such as the description and version
[11:45] <ralf_> so i'm looking at some ELF documentation
[11:45] <ralf_> and commands such as 'file' and 'strings'
[11:46] <ralf_> but i don't think they do what i want
[12:58] <princess> join #ubuntu-fr-offtopic
[13:36] <Kottizen> Hello, when following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/F5D7000 I was told to 'sudo ndiswrapper -hotplug'. However, that parameter does not exist any more. What should I do?
[13:42] <Peace-> !ndiswrapper | Kottizen
[13:52] <ChaosR> Hi, for some reason plasma has been often crashing randomly for me for the past few days, anybody knows why? I think it started after installing some updates
[13:55] <spartan977> hallo people!
[13:57] <spartan977> I notice some video artifact when i run dolphin. Can someone tell me why and how to correct this issue?
[14:05] <spartan977> When i call dolphin, where should be the toolbar i see an artifact, often as a white background with a lof of back dots and dashes. This for a couple of second or till dolphin is loaded.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:43] <dbc254> To anyone listening. I'm on a motorcycle forum. Daily email with the entries for that day. Used to be, I could click on one title and it would drop down to that entry in the email update. Now it doesn't. What happened?
[15:44] <ste>  aiuto come faccio a registrarmi grazie
[15:57] <Peace-> apachelogger: ping
[16:01] <savio> hello
[16:07] <BluesKaj> hello savio
[16:08] <savio> hi BlueKaj
[16:09] <BluesKaj> just letting you know there are ppl here who are awake :)
[16:09] <savio> hahaha
[16:10] <savio> thx
[16:10] <savio> help?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> just ask
[16:11] <savio> my ubuntu don't have brcm80211 driver
[16:11] <savio> where would i get this?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[16:12] <BluesKaj> oops not the right one
[16:12] <savio> i also check kernel source
[16:12] <savio> download from linux-next
[16:15] <BluesKaj> savio,  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_wireless
[16:43] <daniele> hi all
[16:45] <lethu> hello, daniele
[16:45] <BluesKaj> hi  daniele
[16:47] <daniele> hi is the first time i use IRc, i'm a little bit confused :)
[16:51] <pardo> Hola
[16:51] <pardo> Hello everyone
[16:53] <BluesKaj> hi pardo
[16:53] <pardo> hi BluesKaj
[16:54] <pardo> I need help with a trouble in my kubuntu
[16:55] <pardo> Could you help me, please.
[16:58] <BluesKaj> pardo,  describe your problem with as much detail as possible
[16:59] <apachelogger> Peace-: pong
[17:01] <pardo> I have a problem installing programs on my pc. Every time I try to install one, for example LibreOffice, I get an error with the sudo command.
[17:04] <daniele> i think you should write down what that error is
[17:06] <pardo> ok, let me a moment. I show you in a few seconds
[17:08] <daniele> If you has never touched the /etc/sudoers and similar files. the problem is usually quite simple
[17:10] <daniele> ps: "has never touched" is correct??  i'm not english :D
[17:13] <pardo> Do you talk spanish, Daniele?
[17:15] <hansg01> please help me make kubuntu resemble ubuntu in keyboard shorcuts
[17:15] <hansg01> how to assign the keyboard shortcut of konsole to that of the terminal ctrl+alt+t?
[17:16] <daniele> no pardo, i'm italian
[17:16] <pardo> ok, no problem.
[17:16] <BluesKaj> pardo,  libreoffice updates are broken at the moment due to a bug , so it's probly just that app that's a problem.
[17:16] <daniele> exactly sicily, but we're not as the godfather shows you man :D we're mostly great people
[17:17] <pardo> ok, read this please: The problem is that to install LibreOffice, I must first uninstall OpenOffice. So first try to uninstall Openoffice with this line of code: sudo apt-get purge openoffice. For console but when I enter my password and I enter, it shows me this error: Violation of the segment.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> pardo, keep open office for now , libreoffice is broken
[17:18] <pardo> it's so bad.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:19] <BluesKaj> pardo,  . wait for a week or so until the problem is fixed
[17:20] <pardo> very funny Daniele :D i think you are great people. The godfather is only a stereotype.
[17:21] <daniele> the error is very strange
[17:21] <pardo> thanks BluesKaj, I'll be watching :)
[17:21] <daniele> it happens with any program you try to uninstall?
[17:22] <pardo> I try uninstal only this.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> daniele,  the libreoffice is partly installed but it can't finish installing due to the broken dependencies some other apps also require . You can try purging the partly installe libre office manually by purging but I doubt that it will work
[17:24] <BluesKaj> pardo ^
[17:25] <BluesKaj> sorry daniele , that was meant for pardo
[17:25] <pardo> But, in general, when i try install other one, it show me the same error.
[17:25] <daniele> yeah, i got it BlueSkaj,  and i think you're right
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yes , see my expalnaton above , it blocks other installs
[17:26] <BluesKaj> pardo,  can you purge libreoffice ?
[17:27] <RocknRolla> hey i have to register m nick name "savio"
[17:27] <RocknRolla> can some1 drop it pls
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !register
[17:27] <pardo> but, i haven't install Libreoffice.
[17:28] <pardo> I want install LibreOffice but before I have to uninstall OpenOffice.
[17:28] <pardo> And i can't purge OpenOffice.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> pardo,  it's partially installed if it's depenedencies are blocking other apps from installing
[17:29] <pardo> i see.
[17:29] <savio> who is using nick name savio?
[17:30] <hansg01> kubuntu graphics changed a lot
[17:30] <pardo> in this case. must I purge LibreOffice?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:30] <pardo> ok
[17:31] <pardo> let a moment please.
[17:31] <pardo> let me***
[17:31] <BluesKaj> pardo,  it might not be possible
[17:31] <hansg01> what to do windows switcher not there cubic workspace switcher not there
[17:32] <pardo> so, what i can do?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> did you try
[17:33] <pardo> yes BluesKaj, and show me the same error.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> pardo,  try , sudo apt-get -f install
[17:36] <BluesKaj> hansg01,  open system settings >desktop effects
[17:37] <hansg01> Blueskaj yeah done next?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> enable dsktop effects , look at your options there
[17:38] <wesker> Hello=)
[17:38] <pardo> not work BluesKaj
[17:39] <BluesKaj> pardo,  ok , sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:41] <wesker> Friends tell me, can be a problem when upgrading from Kubuntu 11.04 to 11.10?
[17:41] <pardo> ok BluesKaj, I run the code and it works.
[17:41] <pardo> Thanks
[17:42] <BluesKaj> wesker,  it shouldn't be a problem , 11.10 is quite stable
[17:42] <BluesKaj> pardo,  glad to to hear it :)
[17:42] <wesker> Thanks
[17:43] <BluesKaj> wesker,  your friends are running kubntu 11.04 ?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> perhaps ubuntu 11.10 might be a problem , but not kubuntu , wesker
[17:44] <daniele> no it isn't
[17:45] <BluesKaj> daniele,   the unity desktop is for some ppl whose hardware can't handle the GUI
[17:45] <pardo> Other question BleasKaj. Just curiosity. Where are you from?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> pardo,  Canada
[17:47] <BluesKaj> born in Finland , emiograted to Canada when I was just a child
[17:47] <BluesKaj> emigrated
[17:50] <wesker> Unity - a very bad ideya.Gnome 3 - full horror) found KDE 4.7. use with pleasure. I'm sorry. I communicate with you through an interpreter .=)))
[17:51] <Peace-> wesker: welll i just use kde because it can be what you want
[17:51] <Peace-> xD
[17:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD
[17:52] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  :>)
[17:52] <wesker> =)
[17:52] <Peace-> wesker: you wanna see the pure horror ?!
[17:53] <BluesKaj> ok , have to do some errands, BBL ..I leave you in Peace-'s capable hands :)
[17:53] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[17:53] <Peace-> wesker: see this wesker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzEty1TYAE see this
[17:55] <pardo> Ok people, i see you later.
[17:55] <pardo> It was a pleasure having read.
[17:57] <DaveWM> I'm having a bit of a problem here.  Trying to get skype setup for my mom,  every time I go to System Settings,  Multimedia,  Phonon,
[17:57] <DaveWM> audo capture...  I try to move the preferred device up
[17:58] <DaveWM> I click apply and when I leave and come back to it,  its back the way it was
[17:58] <DaveWM> sorry,   keep hitting enter on accident.  :/
[17:59] <DaveWM> in other words phonon doesnt appear to be saving the order of my preferred devices
[18:00] <DaveWM> I even ran the system settings thing with sudo and tried that way,  still no luck
[18:13] <wesker> How to patch KDE2 under FreeBSD? xD
[18:14] <mozzy> is there a fix for muon center?
[18:15] <mozzy> ill try update and upgrade again today, hasnt fixed it
[18:19] <mozzy> last update broke muon :(
[18:20] <mozzy> and fixs for muon or other package manager recomendations?
[18:20] <mozzy> any*
[18:20] <mozzy> ty
[18:22] <mozzy> had to run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:22] <mozzy> when it asked me to
[18:22] <mozzy> i ran it and let it fix
[18:22] <mozzy> then retried updates to fix muon in terminal
[18:22] <mozzy> it said 0 new updates
[18:23] <mozzy> like i was upto date even tho dpkg hung badly during updates the first round
[18:23] <mozzy> any help would be appreciated, ty in advance
[18:27] <mozzy> seraching forum for recomendations...
[18:28] <mozzy> seen this issue on 3 kubuntu PCs so far
[18:29] <mozzy> "Executable: muon-installer PID: 1820 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)"
[18:29] <mozzy> should i just try to update muon alone...in terminal?
[18:31] <mozzy> sudo apt=get muon-installer ?
[18:31] <mozzy> sudo apt-get muon-installer
[18:32] <mozzy> can anyone plxz advise me, do i need to remove muon center before i reinstall
[18:33] <mozzy>    -.-
[18:33] <mozzy> met with silence,,,
[18:34] <BarkingFish> mozzy: first of all,  please don't use enter as a punctuation mark :)  You can type two or three lines without flooding safely :)
[18:34] <mozzy> oh gosh
[18:34] <mozzy> lol
[18:34] <mozzy> ok then, ill try to keep it all to one line and condense
[18:35] <BarkingFish> anyhow, try to reinstall muon-installer - you can use this command:  sudo apt-get install muon-installer --reinstall
[18:36] <mozzy> deal, ty
[18:36] <mozzy> i was missing the --reinstall part, ill add it to my notes ty
[18:36] <BarkingFish> if you can't get it to work, there are other graphic package managers within kubuntu, which are nicer than muon anyway! :)
[18:36]  * BarkingFish is biased, but likes apper
[18:36] <mozzy> oh ya!?!
[18:36] <mozzy> :)
[18:37] <mozzy> thought there might be
[18:38] <BarkingFish> hi again wesker__ - I saw your post up above. We don't deal with KDE2 or with FreeBSD here - if you have questions about KDE, they go in #kde - FreeBSD questions in ##freebsd :)
[18:40] <mozzy> invalid operation, I tryed sudo apt-get muon-installer(andinstaller) --reinstall
[18:40] <mozzy> brb
[18:40] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:41] <BarkingFish> that's cause I gave you the command the wrong way round, mozzy - sorry :)
[18:41] <BarkingFish> It should be: sudo apt-get install --reinstall muon-installer
[18:54] <utente> is there a boot option like this "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" however for HD or partitions?
[18:56] <utente> anyone home?
[19:02] <mozzy> ty BarkingFish the command worked and reinstalled muon perfectly, unfortunatly the error remains
[19:03] <mozzy> "Executable: muon-installer PID: 1820 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)"
[19:03] <BarkingFish> hm
[19:03] <mozzy> a lib perhaps?
[19:03] <BarkingFish> are you able to use any of the other gui package managers?
[19:03] <mozzy> now its PID 1919
[19:03] <BarkingFish> possibly. which version of kubuntu are you on
[19:03] <mozzy> 11.10
[19:03] <mozzy> fresh install
[19:04] <mozzy> ran all updates and dpkg hung
[19:04] <mozzy> had to do a dpkg --configure -a for it to sort itself out
[19:04] <BarkingFish> mozzy: try using apper and see how you get on
[19:04] <BarkingFish> and I'll look into muon-installer and see what the heck is going on
[19:05] <mozzy> ok, whats the terminal command
[19:05] <mozzy> TY
[19:05] <mozzy> its happened on 3 PCs now, that i know of
[19:05] <BluesKaj> I wish the devs would issue a bug about muon , this is becoming a pita , and it hasn't been stable since it's inception
[19:06] <mozzy> updates can be killers on any operating system
[19:06] <BarkingFish> mozzy: if you're in a GUI, just press ALT + F2 and type apper, hit enter and it will go from there
[19:06] <mozzy> more testing is required
[19:06] <mozzy> ok
[19:06] <BluesKaj> mozzy,  forget muon , use apper or apt-get in the terminal
[19:06] <BarkingFish> I say we send this back to upstream, BluesKaj - muon is not good.
[19:07] <BarkingFish> let me have a work in the dev channel
[19:07] <BarkingFish> *word
[19:07] <mozzy> ok, no luck with apper run command
[19:07] <mozzy> must not be installed
[19:07] <mozzy> TY
[19:07] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  they're aware of it upstream I'm sure , the dam thing has never worked from the get-go
[19:08] <mozzy> think ill need to do up apper via terminal
[19:09] <BluesKaj> hmm, apper doesn't seem to be listed in kmenu>apps>system
[19:09] <BarkingFish> mozzy: sudo apt-get install apper
[19:09] <mozzy> will do barkingfish ty
[19:10] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: I have it right at the top of the K button, System - Apper (Software Management)
[19:11] <BarkingFish> i gotta go out guys, be back in about 50 mins or so.
[19:11] <mozzy> ok
[19:11] <mozzy> cya later, thx again
[19:11] <BarkingFish> np
[19:11] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  I probly removed it a while back in one of my cleanup apps ai never use moods :)
[19:12] <mozzy> ahhh, apper is nice :)
[19:12] <mozzy> going to test install a few things, see how it reacts
[19:13] <BluesKaj> dumped all the relevant dirs and folders for akonadi , now I'm about to do the same for nepomuk . usr/bin, usr/lib, usr/share etc
[19:18] <ubuntu> Hello :)
[19:18] <mozzy> hi
[19:19] <mozzy> installin Midori Web Borwser :D
[19:19] <mozzy> light and fast
[19:19] <ubuntu> just checking out this Quassel irc
[19:19] <ubuntu> never heard of midori
[19:20] <ubuntu> hahaha - look at the nick I got :)
[19:20] <mozzy> apper worked good
[19:20] <mozzy> SUCCESS
[19:20] <mozzy> c[_]
[19:20] <mozzy> midori is nice, uses webkit engine
[19:20] <mozzy> same as safari
[19:21] <ubuntu> hmmm
[19:21] <mozzy> its extremly fast and light
[19:21] <wesker_> Well, why do you need the browser?))) is better than opera)
[19:21] <mozzy> itd good to have more then 1 :P
[19:21] <wesker_> or firefox=)
[19:21] <mozzy> Firefox is my main browser
[19:21] <mozzy> since 2004
[19:22] <mozzy> :)
[19:22] <mozzy> hence my nickname..mozzy
[19:22] <ubuntu> just got a new dell precision m4600 - 16 Gb and ssd :).  What dist should I use :)
[19:25] <PadeTezafair> I've deleted it :S ... don't find how to reactive it :S
[19:25] <mozzy> any good kde distro
[19:25] <ubuntu> It has to be EXACTLY like windows, but free
[19:25] <PadeTezafair> ubuntu, install Windows dude
[19:25] <wesker_> in KDE 5 IE will be installed by default))
[19:26] <mozzy> Kubuntu 11.10, Mint 12(install kde)
[19:26] <ubuntu> wow !!!!! Great idea - thanx
[19:26] <mozzy> Mint 12 has a kde version theyre working on
[19:26] <mozzy> its currently an RC
[19:26] <wesker_> ohh..
[19:26] <ubuntu> that was not meant to be a factual statement ;P
[19:26] <Snowhog> ubuntu: Not gonna find such.
[19:27] <mozzy> well guess you got me that time :P
[19:27] <Snowhog> ubuntu: For a Linux to work EXACTLY like Windows, it would have to crash - often. :)
[19:27] <ubuntu> got me some screen flicker on this ne machine :(
[19:28] <mozzy> setup fake bluescreen screensavor to trigger every 5 min :)
[19:28] <PadeTezafair> guys... I've deleted the taskbar on the bottom of Kubuntu 11.10 ... How can I re-add it ???
[19:28] <wesker_> As far as I saw on the internet, there are issues but they unfortunately for gnome.
[19:28] <ubuntu> I got a windows emulator out in the alley next to the garage
[19:28] <mozzy> give it that windows feel lol
[19:28] <Saito05> kubuntu 11.10 tiene muchos errores :(
[19:28] <wesker_> Windows blatantly copied KDE =))
[19:28] <ubuntu> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:29] <mozzy> add the default panel again
[19:29] <Saito05> alguien que hable español?
[19:29] <ubuntu> hows unbunto 11.10 or one of the 11.04s ?
[19:29] <Snowhog> !sp | Saito05
[19:29] <mozzy> might need to drag all the widgets back in, main menu kicker, task twitcher etc
[19:30] <mozzy> @Pade
[19:30] <Snowhog> !sp Saito05
[19:30] <Saito05> Kubuntu 11.04 es mas estable que 11.10, a que se debe eso?
[19:30] <Snowhog> Hmm. I never remember the syntax for that.
[19:31] <mozzy> english please
[19:31] <mozzy> no hable mucho espanol
[19:31] <mozzy> hablo*
[19:31] <wesker_> People. when will the release of Ubuntu 12?
[19:32] <mechasr> think I'll go try me another distro
[19:33] <mechasr> this quassel irc is kinda nice
[19:33] <mechasr> see ya
[19:35] <mozzy> cya
[19:36] <wesker_> ?
[19:36] <wesker_> =)
[19:42] <wesker_> saito05 lo siento por mi ignorancia de la lengua. Por experiencia puedo decir que cuanto más estable que el 11.04 11.10 11.10 En repetidas ocasiones he observado heladas. y reinicios inesperados. + inhibe bastante fuerte
[19:43] <Snowhog> !es | wesker_
[19:43] <klgu> hello, not because it has misconfigured the keyboard language use kubuntu 11.10 did not touch anything, is going well with any failure upgrade? As I can grow to be fine? thanks
[19:44] <Snowhog> FloodBotK3: klgu is a bot?
[19:45] <klgu> que va
[19:45] <klgu> im not a bot
[19:46] <Snowhog> klgu: :)  Your first message was, well, 'odd'. sorry
[19:47] <klgu> Snowhog, sorry if I use a translator, not much English but I need the help thanks. It literally translates this sorry
[19:47] <Snowhog> klgu: What is your native language?
[19:48] <klgu> spanish
[19:48] <Snowhog> !es | klgu
[19:49] <wesker_> interesting), I also use a translator =) imagine what the text twice driven out through google?)))
[19:50] <klgu> Snowhog, not many people on that channel would not know me as the response of the keyboard is misconfigured
[19:53] <wesker_> klgu Put on another way to enter in the settings klaviatury.esli I understand the question
[19:53] <wesker_> sorry. keyboard
[19:54] <wesker_> Put on another way to enter in the settings of the keyboard. If I understand the question
[19:54] <klgu> klaviatury.esli  ?
[19:55] <wesker_> sorry.i use google translate=))
[19:56] <klgu> how I can reconfigure the keyboard to my language?
[19:57] <wesker_> system is localized to your language?
[19:59] <wesker_> ??
[20:01] <wesker_> Klgu?
[20:05] <Viktorious> Quick question, I'm running out of space on a virtual installation, so I create a new virtual hard drive so I can move /home over to that harddrive. I only have the following question:
[20:06] <Viktorious> If I set the mount point of say /dev/sdb1 as /home, and edit my fstab then it should work right? But then what happens when the system mounts my other hard drive, which has "/" as a mount point??
[20:06] <Viktorious> Since /home would be a part of "/" anyway?
[20:06] <daneshar> i am using a wi-fi dongle. its asking for network name in hidden network . what to give the name ????
[20:12] <BarkingFish> daneshar: you can only connect to a hidden wifi network if you know the SSID it uses to broadcast
[20:12] <BarkingFish> if you don't know the name of the network, you're stuck. Ask whoever administers the network, assuming you're supposed to have access to it :)
[20:13] <daneshar> how i can do that ?
[20:15] <BarkingFish> all networks have a name to broadcast under - some hide the name so that only authorised persons can connect to it - they'd be given the details by the owner of the network.  If there's a hidden network, and you don't know its name, the chances are you're not meant to be on it.  If you are, speak to whoever owns or runs the network.
[20:15] <klgu> wesker_, yes my system is on my language
[20:17] <daneshar> how to scan that ?
[20:18] <klgu> wesker_, thanks for your help I have to go see if I fix it later. to another bye
[20:19] <wesker_> Good luck
[20:20] <BarkingFish> daneshar: You can't scan for the name of a hidden network. That's the whole reason it's hidden :P
[20:21] <daneshar> then how to connect other network ?
[20:22] <wesker_> all the secret actually is clearly =)))
[20:23] <wesker_> <daneshar Network manager installed?
[20:23] <Snowhog> daneshar: If there isn't another "unhidden" network in the scan, then you can't.
[20:23] <BarkingFish> daneshar: if you're using network manager, it should show a list of networks which are available.  if there's one in the list you have permission to access, like a public wifi, click it and you'll be asked for its password if it has one.  enter the password and wait, and you'll get connected
[20:23] <BarkingFish> if there is nothing else in that list, no wifi networks other than a hidden one are available
[20:24] <daneshar> thanks buddy now i understand !
[20:26] <wesker_> are you sure that you are an access point?
[20:29] <mozzy> hi BarkingFish
[20:29] <mozzy> apper is very nice thx
[20:29] <mozzy> installed midori just find
[20:29] <mozzy> fine*
[20:30] <mozzy> going to redirect the other 2 kubuntu users that have an issue with muon to apper \o/
[20:32] <BarkingFish> hi mozzy - very pleased to hear you're getting on ok with it, I saw muon once and couldn't get the hang of it, gave up on it.  I'm used to apper's interface, since it's almost identical to what I started on, kpackagekit
[20:33] <mozzy> oh ok
[20:33] <mozzy> im useto using synaptic myself on PCLInuxOS
[20:34] <mozzy> even tho its kinda ugly, non noober friendly and ancient lol
[20:34] <mozzy> ;)
[20:35] <mozzy> its good to have a rpm and a debian based distros goin
[20:37] <wesker_> So ... Sleep today, I did not lay)))
[20:38] <mozzy> youve made me realise im in too much of a rush to press enter lol
[20:38] <wesker_> xD
[20:40] <wesker_> friends tell me, who now plays in that? work, work .... also wants to play
[20:43] <javaholic5> Hey guys, I have deployed two questionnaires and would appreciate it if you could take about 3 minutes of your time to complete any one of them.
[20:43] <javaholic5> Your answers will be completely anonymous. Thank you in advance for all your help.
[20:43] <javaholic5> Developers' questionnaire: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGUwNkl2QVk4bDEtblhfUjFfelZXZlE6MQ
[20:43] <javaholic5> General IT user questionnaire: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHA2UUhWSVV2WWw4M2VPNnJKNDR5VkE6MQ
[20:43] <FloodBotK3> javaholic5: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:45] <wesker_> and there flooders...
[20:47] <javaholic5> yes, just got the warning msg, sorry
[20:49] <wesker_> that's good)
[20:57] <wesker_>  I go to bed) bye =)))
[21:37] <josm> Hi, im having issues with my sources.list. Trying to add only php5 packages from dotdeb but its unable to find Packages.gz.
[21:51] <Snowhog> josm: What is the entry you have in sources.list for dotdeb?
[21:51] <josm> deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable php5
[21:52] <Snowhog> josm: That isn't correct. What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[21:53] <josm> Snowhog: Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[21:53] <josm> The syntax might be wrong, but it should at least be the same for all ubuntu/debian servers
[21:58] <Snowhog> josm: See http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ for instructions on adding the entry for your sources.list as well as getting the gpg key.
[21:59] <josm> Snowhog: yes i did that initially. Problem is, I dont want to use the other packages, like mysql, from dotdeb
[21:59] <josm> Snowhog: I just want to use php5 and nginx
[22:00] <josm> And I must use the sources.list, since im gona do the same on several machines. automatic distribution of sources.list via puppet
[22:01] <josm> And for what I can find in man sources.list, its supposed to work the way I think. Perhaps *if* there is an packages.gz in the php5 directory?
[22:06] <josm> Snowhog: thanks for looking into it
[22:08] <Snowhog> josm: Try changing the entry to this:  deb http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/ stable php5
[22:09] <josm> Snowhog: Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[22:09] <josm> :(
[22:12] <josm> it says dists/dists actualy
[22:20] <Snowhog> josm: I don't think you are going to be able to do what you want - limit to php5 package only. The Packages.gz files are only in the ../dist/stable/all/binary-* directories.
[22:22] <josm> perhaps. But how do one control which repos, specific packages should be fetched from?
[22:23] <josm> was reading about apt-pinning, but i have always thought it were to hold a package at a version
[22:23] <josm> not control repo
[22:25] <josm> Default is to install the package with highest version number.