[18:54] <matjam> drsperker: there's no easy way to rollback to an earlier package configuration out of the box. You can use btrfs to kind of do it but it's a bit complicated. https://askubuntu.com/questions/769329/is-there-a-way-to-restore-a-linux-system-to-a-previous-state-using-btrfs-as-in
[18:54] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, but yes, friendly names for router, nas, etc. basically all I'm trying to do. And that works well from my laptop, pc, phone, etc. But not on the router itself. If I run dig router.home on my laptop I get <IP_ADDRESS>, but if I run that on my router, it's not resolving, unless . So the problem is not with bind, I think.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: It won't work... You don't want it to work that way, else you will create a loopback
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: The server should be setup to look externally for addresses it doesn't know... if it looks to itself, it will never find websites on the open internet
[18:56] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, bind is configures with a forwarder address. shouldn't it ask that server if it can't resolve itself?
 Can I do something before the upgrade ? So I can rollback ?
[18:57] <matjam> MonsieurBon: you can configure bind such that it is authoritative for .home and recurses for anything else
[18:57] <matjam> drsperker: the instructions are on that link. I have not done it, and can't vouch for the method.
[18:58] <matjam> MonsieurBon: note "recursion yes;" and "allow-recursion { YOUR_LOCAL_NET; };" configuration will need to exist
[18:58] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: I mean that maybe the new package ex. mysql-server have done changes and some parts of my databases doesn't work..
[18:58] <MonsieurBon> matjam, That's exactly what I did. And it does work. Bind is not the problem. Running dig @<IP_ADDRESS> on my router let's me resolve everything from my local .home domain and also from the public internet. But dig without @ won't ask <IP_ADDRESS> but <IP_ADDRESS> and that will not resolve anything.
[18:59] <Bashing-om> drsperker: There is no undo, what there is is the ability to boot an older kernel that worked prior to the upgrade . In any upgrade one must update the data base first : ' sudo apt update ' .
[18:59] <matjam> MonsieurBon: you'll probably want to hard code the resolver in the router's configuration to use <IP_ADDRESS> for DNS resolution, either in the interface config or in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[18:59] <matjam> that will make local programs use the local resolver
[18:59] <matjam> on your DHCP configuration, point all DNS requests to your router
[19:00] <matjam> if your router is <IP_ADDRESS> for instance, just use that. Don't also add <IP_ADDRESS> or any other DNS servers, as it is semi-random which dns server will be queried, and other nameservers won't know about .home
[19:02] <MonsieurBon> matjam, do I need to reload anything after changing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf?
[19:03] <matjam> MonsieurBon: um, probably at least the systemd-resolved service
[19:03] <badsekt0r> MonsieurBon, no but it usually take a few minutes for it to be the new DNS, usually because of Caching in your browser
[19:03] <matjam> badsekt0r: does systemd-resolved reload automatically if the configuration changes?
[19:03] <badsekt0r> MonsieurBon, i thought the file was /etc/resolve.conf
[19:03] <MonsieurBon> badsekt0r, no browser, just dig in bash on the router itself
[19:04] <matjam> badsekt0r: /etc/resolve.conf is now managed by systemd
[19:04] <badsekt0r> matjam, i thought we were talking about /etc/resolve.conf sorry
[19:04] <drsperker> matjam : It's a remote server , Can I have the backup to my computer ?
[19:04] <sparq> Hey, other than on reboot, does anyone know why /run/user/<uid> would get purged?
[19:04] <matjam> drsperker: what are you upgrading from, to?
[19:05] <drsperker> matjam : I just want to run a apt-get update & apt-get upgrade and I'm worrying to have a way to rollback if something breaks
[19:05] <matjam> drsperker: recommend that you leave a server on 16.04 until 18.04.1 is released.
[19:06] <YADW1> Hello! Is there any way to batch convert all of the .psf.gz fonts in my /usr/share/consolefonts folder to .ttf or some other X11 compatible font format?
[19:06] <MonsieurBon> matjam, that worked like a charm!
[19:06] <matjam> drsperker: there's no real way to rollback, dude.
[19:06] <drsperker> matjam: I'm not going to do 'dist upgrade'  just an 'upgrade'
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: I would assume that what changed isn't a bug in the package, but instead it was config file change.
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: I would double check my.conf to make sure it's still setup the way it was
[19:07] <matjam> MonsieurBon: cool beans
[19:07] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | drsperker
[19:07] <MonsieurBon> matjam, pragmaticenigma, thanks a lot for your help. I'll have a look at dnsmasq too.
[19:08] <matjam> 👍
[19:08] <ioria> drsperker, apt -s upgrade (or full-upgrade); s-s = simulate
[19:08] <YADW1> My intent is to customize virtual terminals to look like ttys, so I'd like to convert the actual font files and use similar color/size/aliasing settings in graphic environments
[19:09] <matjam> YADW1: You might fight someone has already done that work for you, pretty sure I've seen those kinds of fonts out there in ttf
[19:09] <matjam> *find
[19:09] <drsperker> ubottu: I thought that dist-upgrade was to upgrade to a new version :O
[19:10] <drsperker> ioria: I thought that dist-upgrade was to upgrade to a new version :O
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> no drsperker
[19:10] <ioria> drsperker, negative
[19:10] <matjam> negatory drsperker
[19:11] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: As I live I'm learning !
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> dist-upgrade will upgrade packages to newer versions, upgrade applies patches only
[19:11] <YADW1> matjam thank you, but I've looked everywhere on the internet, neither Terminus nor Unifont were perfectly the same. Unifont was something similar though.
[19:11] <drsperker> and apt-get upgrade ? will update to new distro ?
[19:12] <ioria> drsperker, are you trolling ?
[19:12] <matjam> terminus is the biznit
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: no, take a look at "man apt-get"
[19:12] <drsperker> ioria: no ! I'm just trying to understand !
[19:12] <ioria> drsperker, that's why Bashing-om posted the link for you
[19:14] <YADW1> matjam I had to look at the urban dictionary meaning for "biznit", to find out it's a word for "A punk, a b*tch, a person that is bothersome". What on earth did you mean xD
[19:14] <TBotNik> All: Updated my writeup on the MySQL/apt-get issue I have at: linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5854686#post5854686  Really desperately need help!
[19:14] <matjam> lol, yeah, I meant, like, it's awesome
[19:15] <ryzokuken> I thought Ubuntu 16.04 didn't work on Macbook Pros because it's old, and 18.04 will.
[19:16] <ryzokuken> It still doesn't.
[19:16] <matjam> yeah macbook support is spotty
[19:16] <matjam> ryzokuken: trackpad problems?
[19:16] <ryzokuken> exactly, trackpad is a blaring hole
[19:17] <ryzokuken> matjam trackpad just refuses to work
[19:17] <matjam> yup, seeing a lot of people with that problem in here
[19:17] <YADW1> matjam well yes, it kinda is. But the point is, it's not much similar at all. I thought the best idea was to "rip" my own fonts from the default folder, can anyone give me a hand here?
[19:17] <ryzokuken> tbh, I could split this out into a more general issue: what to use for work?
[19:17] <matjam> YADW1: I have no idea, I'm afraid. There's probably some tool in xorg that might get you some of the way there. Sounds like a fun journey.
[19:17] <ryzokuken> MacOS is really nice, but the hardware seems kinda meh now after my keys started getting stuck
[19:18] <ryzokuken> Windows is not good at programming work at all, it seems.
[19:18] <matjam> ryzokuken: the only reason to buy the hardware is to run the OS, imho, but if you want to run linux there's better hardware.
[19:18] <ryzokuken> Linux just keeps failing me plus I cannot get devices to run it
[19:18] <ryzokuken> matjam exactly
[19:18] <Jonta> What do you need to do for work?
[19:19] <ryzokuken> A decent programming environment
[19:19] <Jonta> Too broad
[19:19] <ryzokuken> I should atleast be as productive as I am on my Mac (not too much, tbqh)
[19:19] <ryzokuken> Jonta *nix stuff should just work, so that rules out Win
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> ryzokuken: This isn't a polling channel, it is a support channel. Do you have a support specific question? Otherwise, please visit /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:20] <Jonta> Well, does it have to be a Ubuntu LTS?
[19:20] <ryzokuken> Jonta not necessarily.
[19:20] <matjam> ryzokuken: I have a work provided macbook running macos for development, mostly Go, some typescript, using vscode. At home I run linux + vscode, etc, its basically identical workflow.
[19:20]  * matjam apologises for going off topic.
[19:20] <ryzokuken> pragmaticenigma the main question is about running Ubuntu on a Macbook tbh
[19:21] <ryzokuken> matjam I used to use Ubuntu in school, it used to break every other day
[19:21] <ryzokuken> I think the experience is much smoother in laptops meant to run it
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> ryzokuken: that's fine, but you're question is very broad... Do you have Ubuntu installed on the MacBook?
[19:21] <ryzokuken> eg: Sys76 or Dell's devices
[19:21] <YADW1> matjam A fun journey indeed lol. I find myself in this kind of situations quite a lot tbh (last time I was trying to make ubuntu 16.04 a multiseat distro, I'll let you imagine just how well did it end. God why do I have to be like this). Especially right now that in my timezone it's 9:20 in the evening and I have 50 pages of my textbook, which I'm opening only now, to study for a latin exam tomorrow, but I literally can't focus beca
[19:21] <Jonta> Have you looked for a distro that targets macbooks?
[19:21] <ryzokuken> Jonta are there any? I didn't know.
[19:22] <ryzokuken> pragmaticenigma I tried, the trackpad doesn't work.
[19:22] <matjam> pragmaticenigma: do you know of a bug in launchpad tracking the magic trackpad issue?
[19:22] <matjam> I'm looking
[19:22] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: If I keep the list of dpkg -l and try to install again if something goes back after the upgrade ? Can I do that ?
[19:22] <drsperker> goes bad*
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> ryzokuken: It's a known issue with Mac's that the trackpads are not working. There isn't a solution currently for it. There are developers working to get it up and running, however at this time all you can do is wait.
[19:23] <ryzokuken> :(
[19:23] <Bashing-om> drsperker: No .. the depencies are changed with the new packaging .
[19:23] <YADW1> In times like this I feel like I never should have joined the linux "fandom", is more of a hobby  than a productivity advantage lol
[19:23] <ryzokuken> Plus repos on apt are at times lagging behind so I have to build software myself (messy)
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: The upgrade process is one-way only. Once it runs, there is no going back
[19:23] <ryzokuken> brew feels much better in this regard.
[19:24] <matjam> ryzokuken: there's a lot of bugs currently filed against the kernel for trackpad related stuff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1283701
[19:24] <ryzokuken> matjam oh, okay.
[19:24] <matjam> ryzokuken: check back in a month or so and you might find it will be all fixed
[19:24] <drsperker> Bashing-om , pragmaticenigma So if something goes bad I have to fix it right ?
[19:24] <ryzokuken> matjam all we can do is wait, I guess.
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: We haven't even established what is wrong with your machine.
[19:24] <matjam> 18.04 is super new, exotic stuff like mac specific trackpads often are not supported simply because it doesn't make the cut by apri
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: I asked you to verify your configuration files, make sure they weren't changed after the update.
[19:25] <ryzokuken> matjam is it Ubuntu related or can I not expect any Linux distros to work?
[19:26] <ioria> ryzokuken, why don't you ask to hw manufactures to release the specs ?
[19:26] <matjam> ryzokuken: it's a kernel thing, you might find newer kernels have bugs that older kernels didn't have, so you might have luck with say, linux mint or something like that with an older kernel .. but I have no idea.
[19:26] <ryzokuken> ioria I think that's asking too much in case of Apple
[19:26] <Bashing-om> drsperker: You are overtinking this .. it is rare that "something goes bad" . In most cases it is a config issue on the users end . One does backup their data - as a matter of course .
[19:26] <crmlt> Trackpads works good on linux with libinput
[19:26] <ryzokuken> they clearly don't care and I feel bad about it.
[19:26] <ioria> ryzokuken, dam right
[19:27] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma : There is nothing wrong. Actually is the first time that I have in my hands a real server running away from my pc , so I'm trying to do things carefully.. (And I'm not trolling) Where can  I find my configuration files ? where are they ?
[19:27] <matjam> ioria: yeah, right, ryzokuken is going to write to apple and get them to release the specs on their trackpad to the linux kernel developers.
[19:27] <ioria> hehehe
[19:27] <matjam> 🙄
[19:27] <ryzokuken> matjam I'd rather get them to fix the keyboard and go back to using MacOS
[19:27] <matjam> ryzokuken: yeah I think it's bonkers that so many people are having trouble with the keyboard
[19:28] <matjam> anyway this is an off topic discussion
[19:28] <ryzokuken> indeed
[19:28] <sparq> Hey, other than on reboot, does anyone know why /run/user/<uid> would get purged? Something keeps wiping it and crashing all the processes that keep their PID files and state data there. :-(
[19:28] <drsperker> Bashing-om : I'm overthiking a lot in every thing , but this is for another discussion.  That way you can test updates before applying them to your remote server (to avoid issues like this)
[19:29] <Jonta> drsperker: Different config files are in different places. I suggest searching "where's the config file for [program]"
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: The default config file for mysql is /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: though that file should not be modified by anyone. instead custom options should be saved in the /etc/mysql/conf.d folder
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: Also, if you are paying someone to for the remote hosting, they really should be the ones helping you. Since they may have customizations to the OS we are not aware of
[19:34] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: It's just a server that is currently running at my university (dedicated). So say that it happens an upgrade to mysql-server x.1 and it goes to mysql-server x.5 . Only the my.conf file will have changes ?
[19:34] <matjam> drsperker: so, anecdotally, I've never had a problem with mysql-server being upgraded on ubuntu servers.
[19:35] <matjam> the upgrate scripts do a good job in general.
[19:35] <matjam> ( they have to, because lots of servers run ubuntu, and breaking mysql would be a Bad Thing ™ )
[19:36] <matjam> I
[19:36] <matjam> am at the point now where I don't even think about upgrades on my ubuntu servers, I just do it. Rarely have any issues.
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: Depends on what changed within mysql-server that warrents a configuration file change. There is a lot more to this problem than we can dig into here. You really should contact the people in charge of maintaining the server for help.
[19:39] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma : Say that there is a mysql-server update which your current database schema doesn't work good with the new server cuz of changes. (Actually they are giving you a mysql script to run to perform the update in mysql ) But  as you say If you want to go back to the previous mysql version you can't :/
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: It is many of our experiences that an upgrade of a software package, rarely if ever goes wrong on its own. There is usually some customization having been done that falls out of scope of the ability for us to troubleshoot and properly diagnose. When that happens, we direct you to the people in charge of the server, in this case your University's IT team.
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: what you just said is complete giberish and makes absolutely no sense.
[19:44] <ioria> drsperker, you mean perform a query and it does nor work anymore when worked before  ?
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: The updates provided when you run "apt-get upgrade" are not scripts. They are replacement binaries that contain patches, bug fixes only. There are no scripts executed on the database data, except when it pertains to the mysql schema (which you should not have any tables in or custom changes)
[19:45] <matjam> drsperker: mysql kind of guarantees that point releases won't break your database schema.
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> matjam: there is no "kind of" ... they either break or don't break.
[19:46] <genii> pragmaticenigma: Not strictly true, since some packages run preinstall and postinstall scripts
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> and in the larger picture they are tested to not break. Breakage
[19:46] <rfleming> How can I get QT apps to run in GNOME with the GTK style?
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> genii: not those types of scripts
[19:46] <rfleming> (Example: Dolphin)
[19:46] <matjam> true, but what I mean is, there's a general social contract there that point releases are bugfixes
[19:46] <matjam> it woudl be Bad Form to break configuration or database on a point release
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> rfleming: The QT engine takes care of that natively, to the best of it's ability.
[19:47] <matjam> its the kind of thing that would stop anyone from ever using mysql again.
[19:47] <rfleming> pragmaticenigma: I see...  Because they made changes to their source code like ex. the way that foreign keys designed (I'm just saying) matjam: Yes the are giving you an .sql script to run to make changes . But as we said until now . If you made an upgrade from mysql-server x.1 to x.5 you can't go again to x.1 properly ! You can't do something before the upgrade to rollback. When it's done it's done ! Am I understing it  right ?
[19:47] <rfleming> (icon wise)
[19:49] <matjam> drsperker: back up all the mysql files, and if you want to roll back, remove the mysql package and re-install the old version of the package from the repos.
[19:49] <matjam> (and restore the backed-up files)
[19:49] <ioria> drsperker, not a sql magician, but usually you just change your code (or if possible force the previous pkg, never done btw)
[19:50] <ioria> rfleming, breeze
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: This conversation has become very unproductive. You've been given several options. It's up to you to persue them. Otherwise, we're just going in circles at this point and need to move on.
[19:56] <sparq> Any systemd experts around today?
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> sparq: Please ask your question, preferably on one line. If someone knows the answer, they will respond. If no one knows, you won't receive a response.
[19:57] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma : Thank you a lot !
[19:59] <sparq> pragmaticenigma: Yep. I read the FAQ. Now I'm looking for someone who might have general knowledge about the relevant system.
[19:59] <worktoner> I am curious why some malicious user would want to run the following: /tmp/.FILE/hidden_hacker_files/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --library-path /tmp/.FILE/hidden_hacker_files/hackerfile1 /tmp/.FILE/hidden_hacker_files/hackerfile2
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | sparq
[19:59] <worktoner> It seems like they copied in some libraries including ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and a bash binary
[20:00] <worktoner> What would be the purpose of bringing in your own copy of ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and bash?
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: This doesn't appear to be a support issue for Ubuntu, please consider one of the other Ubuntu channels such as discussion or offtopic
[20:01] <_KaszpiR_> worktoner ability to execute on systems which lack specific libraries, so they provide their own with all dependencies required, and some other features
[20:01] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: I see so maybe they just didn't know if those libraries would be available or not so they brought their own in? Makes sense.
[20:02] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Are you recommending another channel?
[20:02] <_KaszpiR_> they may target most of linux distros, so they bundle all stuff
[20:03] <sparq> ubottu: Sigh. Please see scrollback before explainin how to IRC.
[20:03] <sparq> Ah, that explains it.
[20:03] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: yes it seems there was a whole group of libraries but that one was the only one I found being used via 'proc'
[20:03] <worktoner> erm.. 'ps' i meant
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> sparq: What I am telling you is to ask the question. Not ask for anyone... no one is going to respond unless they know what your question is up front.
[20:04] <_KaszpiR_> worktoner upload it to virustotal and see what it reports
[20:05] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: Sorry it has been some time since I had to wear my netsec hat. What is virustotal?
[20:05] <_KaszpiR_> google?
[20:05] <worktoner> Certainly, thx
[20:06] <worktoner> eh, what if these files contained some sensitive data like something that was being exfiltrated? Maybe its not the best idea to upload these files at this point in time
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Again, this is offtopic, please see #ubuntu-offtopic=
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Again, this is offtopic, please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:07] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Are you a bot?
[20:10] <xebra> hi, in my /etc/network/interfaces I only have two lines, both about the "lo" interface. So where and how is my ethernet interface configured?
[20:14] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: Thanks again. I guess I'll pipe down before the thought police write me a ticket
[20:15] <_KaszpiR_> yw
[20:18] <andrew09> I'm trying to update the BIOS, but when writing the FreeDOS image to the usb it becomes only 32MB so I can't copy the exe file to it
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> xebra: Interfaces are defined by NetworkManager... /etc/network is lower level and a fall back when NetworkManager fails to load
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Please offer the same respect to others as you would expect yourself. Name calling isn't apporpriate here and is against the community guidelines. I asked you to take the conversation elsewhere because it is not a support issue. you are researching an issue, and I was attempting to offer a better resource for that purpose.
[20:22] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: What are you talking about?
[20:23] <worktoner> I am working with files that a malicious user left behind on an Ubuntu system. That seems an appropriate enough topic to discuss in this channel. I'm sorry you don't see things the same way.
[20:23] <worktoner> Also what do you mean by name calling?
[20:24] <subPunk> greetings from Croahello
[20:24] <subPunk> i meant Croatia
[20:26] <PsychoBoB> Guys
[20:26] <fragtastic> Anyone else notice a problem switching virtual desktop to the left? Ubuntu 18.04 with Budgie. Can hold Ctrl then press right arrow to switch in that direction, but when switching left Ctrl has to be repressed each time
[20:27] <PsychoBoB> How I can disable a service with auto star
[20:27] <PsychoBoB> start
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu system support, packages and software that is distributed by Canonical and Ubuntu. You're discussion on a potential breach does not fall within that definition. You're attempt to research about files that appear to have been created by a malicious user is not within that scope.
[20:27] <PsychoBoB> just remove the alias from /etc/init.d ?
[20:27] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: version and flavor of ubuntu?
[20:27] <fragtastic> PsychoBoB, systemctl disable <service>
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: No, please provide more information includeing the Ubuntu version that you are running so we can offer the correct advice
[20:28] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: I'm sorry are you an admin here or some kind of moderator?
[20:28] <PsychoBoB> SlidingHorn, ubuntu 18.04
[20:28] <PsychoBoB> fragtastic, this command disable in the moment
[20:28] <PsychoBoB> I need disable ever
[20:28] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: what is the service?
[20:29] <PsychoBoB> monit
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: That command when run as sudo will disable the service from starting next time the computer is rebooted.
[20:29] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: the command fragtastic gave you will do what you want then
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> systemctrl stop <service> is temporary and will allow the service to restart when the computer is rebooted
[20:30] <PsychoBoB> shure
[20:30] <PsychoBoB> ?
[20:30] <PsychoBoB> and how do I always disable?
[20:31] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: we just told you.
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: "systemctrl disable monit" will disable the service
[20:31] <PsychoBoB> hmmm
[20:31] <PsychoBoB> disable !!!
[20:31] <PsychoBoB> is it
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: There are no files to delete... the tool will automatically do the appropriate changes
[20:31] <SlidingHorn> systemctl *  pragmaticenigma / PsychoBoB
[20:31] <oerheks> https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/enable-disable-services-ubuntu-systemd-upstart/
[20:32] <oerheks> easy to find
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> SlidingHorn: thanks for the correction
[20:32] <PsychoBoB> monit.service is not a native service, redirecting to systemd-sysv-install.
[20:32] <PsychoBoB> Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install disable monit
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: "systemctl disable monit" will disable the service (sorry for the typo)
[20:32] <PsychoBoB> is the msg that i receive
[20:32] <Kon-> My audio levels are borked in PulseAudio. Some frequencies are only barely audible at max volume
[20:33] <Kon-> This is compared to yesterday, or today in Windows with the same audio files and same playback equipment
[20:33] <fragtastic> oerheks, that site gives a 503 Service Unavailable btw
[20:33] <PsychoBoB> pragmaticenigma, SlidingHorn
[20:33] <PsychoBoB> help me
[20:33] <Kon-> I've been told that PulseAudio doesn't have any kind of equalizer function, so how is it that my audio levels can get borked in the first place?
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | PsychoBoB
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: If you are done using the application you can "sudo apt-get purge monit" which will both remove the service and uninstall the program.
[20:35] <PsychoBoB> =(
[20:35] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: that wasn't an error message.  The service should be disabled.
[20:35] <PsychoBoB> really ?
[20:35] <PsychoBoB> =)
[20:36] <fragtastic> PsychoBoB, please check the status of the service
[20:36] <PsychoBoB> how ?
[20:37] <oerheks> PsychoBoB, how did you install monit? 18.04 uses proper systemd commands
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> sudo apt install monit
[20:38] <fragtastic> PsychoBoB, systemctl status monit
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> systemctl status monit
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> ● monit.service - LSB: service and resource monitoring daemon
[20:38] <PsychoBoB>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/monit; generated)
[20:38] <PsychoBoB>    Active: active (running) since Mon 2018-05-14 17:12:49 -03; 25min ago
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> sorry
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> it's running
[20:39] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB / fragtastic we only disabled it...we didn't stop it... PsychoBoB - please answer oerheks' question, though
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: It will continue to run after you disable
[20:40] <fragtastic> it still should say if it's enabled/disabled from status even if it's running/stopped
[20:40] <john00> Hey guys, I'm trying to write FreeDOS image to the usb using Startup Disk Creator, but it becoms only 32MB after finishing so I can't copy files. Anyway to make it FAT32
[20:41] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Hey I didn't get a response from you. I don't want to rock the boat here but I'm definitely dealing with an issue that has to do with an Ubuntu system. It's frustrating that you don't feel I'm on topic enough but I'm going to go ahead and keep talking about ubuntu security here unless you had more to say?
[20:41] <oerheks> oh, a whole post about monit (17.10, but should be equal for 18.04) ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/953368/systemd-doesnt-restart-monit-after-kill?rq=1
[20:42] <oerheks> is this a feature of monit?
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Stop it, you're acting like a troll now and it's inappropriate. If you want to talk about Ubuntu Security the apporpriate channel for that is #ubuntu-offtopic. Security is not a support topic, it's a security topic. since there is no channel dedicated to security, it's belongs in offtopic.
[20:43] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Just because someone has a debate with you doesn't mean they are acting like a troll.
[20:44] <john00>  Hey guys, I'm trying to write FreeDOS image to the usb using Startup Disk Creator, but it becoms only 32MB after finishing so I can't copy files. Anyway to make it FAT32
[20:44] <matjam> !offtopic | worktoner
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> !repeat | john00
[20:44] <SlidingHorn> !patience | john00
[20:46] <`whoami`> Hello. Do you have any idea why I am able to boot from a ubuntu usb key (the 18.04 installer) and use it as a livecd, while I'm unable to boot from another usb key where I installed ubuntu using the previous usb key ? Secureboot is disabled, and UEFI is enabled.
[20:46] <xebra> worktoner, did you try asking in #security ? That's a better chan I guess
[20:46] <worktoner> xebra: Hey thanks, I alreay got my question answered though.
[20:46] <worktoner> I suppose I'm just trying to wrap up a side chat here with pragmaticenigma
[20:46] <`whoami`> and the usb drives are plugged in the same slot (I switched them before booting)
[20:47] <oerheks> worktoner, please don't.
[20:47] <matjam> `whoami`: the USB stick you installed to won't have the correct boot manager installed.
[20:47] <leftyfb> worktoner: From what I read, your ubuntu system has been compromised. Your ONLY course of action is to wipe it, reinstall Ubuntu and restore from backups created before the compromise. Beyond that, there's nothing more to discuss about it here. We help with problems with Ubuntu. Your issue is a problem with security and at this point, reinstalling Ubuntu.
[20:47] <matjam> worktoner: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic as has been suggested to you several times.
[20:47] <worktoner> leftyfb: yes we have restored the system to a point before the incident, thank you for the advice.
[20:47] <`whoami`> matjam: interesting. Any lead to install that right ?
[20:47] <worktoner> matjqm: Excuse me?
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | worktoner
[20:48] <worktoner> I take it you don't intend to answer my question. Thanks anyhow
[20:49] <PsychoBoB> I'll restart the machine
[20:49] <PsychoBoB> and then see monit service
[20:49] <`whoami`> pragmaticenigma: you could have used /ignore instead of highlighing all the ops. Just sayin'
[20:49] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: How or where did you find instructions to install monit?
[20:50] <matjam> `whoami`: I would google it, I don't know anything offhand. I'm sure people do it, but it's not a common installation target and I don't think it's supported officially.
[20:50] <PsychoBoB> pragmaticenigma, i just run apt install
[20:51] <matjam> `whoami`: I found this (old) question here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/170454/can-i-install-ubuntu-to-my-32-gb-usb-pen-drive
[20:51] <xebra> worktoner, why was your system compromised? And is it desktop or server?
[20:51] <`whoami`> matjam: ah, that'd  be because I'm installing it on another usb drive. I was thinking about something like "grub-uefi wouldn't have been run during install" or something
[20:51] <xebra> worktoner, just curious
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> xebra: that is offtopic as was stated earlier
[20:51] <`whoami`> thanks, I'll check the link !
[20:52] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: You apparently installed some other repository beforehand, though, as the default version in the official ubuntu repos wouldn't have given you the "is not a native service" message you received previously
[20:52] <xebra> pragmaticenigma, well, the infection vector might be interesting to know though, in this chan
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> xebra: As was already stated by 3 people, it is offtopic
[20:53] <matjam> xebra: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:53] <SlidingHorn> xebra: interesting, maybe, but still off topic.  Feel free to continue the interesting conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:57] <tolland> /part/part
[20:57] <tolland> /part/part
[20:58] <fragtastic> Budgie on 18.04 would be supported in this channel, right?
[20:59] <tgm4883> fragtastic: yes
[20:59] <matjam> it's an official community flavor
[21:00] <fragtastic> matjam, not actually using the separate flavor though. just tasksel budgie desktop on Ubuntu 18.04
[21:00] <matjam> you're good, whats your problem
[21:00] <fragtastic> having a problem with the virtual desktops
[21:01] <fragtastic> can Ctrl+Right + Right + Right ...
[21:01] <fragtastic> but Ctrl+Left + Left ... doesn't work
[21:01] <fragtastic> I have to release and press Ctrl again if I want to switch left
[21:01] <fragtastic> Not a huge problem by any means, just annoying
[21:01] <matjam> I don't know, someone else might. Bueller? Bueller?
[21:02] <worktoner> xebra: We had delays patching a CMS system that had a security hole
[21:02] <SlidingHorn> fragtastic: curious - does this occur no matter which desktop you're switching from, or only if you're on #1 (switching to #x - x being the highest number desktop)?
[21:03] <worktoner> xebra: Oh sorry, also it is a server
[21:03] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, yep any desktop. i can switch left then right but not left again too
[21:03] <mattfly> is someone there with nvidia drivers installed able to hibernate? I am not and have reported a bug but Havent found no one else with this issue or up to test it
[21:04] <matjam> worktoner: please /join #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish to discuss something that isn't a specific support question for ubuntu. Not trying to be a pain, it's just, we are quite happy to discuss non-support related stuff there, where as here it's just noise.
[21:04] <worktoner> matjam: I much prefer this statement to your previous one.
[21:04] <matjam> worktoner: I don't always have time to write a long explanation, which is why we use ubottu's macros to direct people to better places. We are all volunteers.
[21:05] <worktoner> Thanks for volunteering
[21:06] <matjam> mattfly: I use the nvidia proprietary driver and am able to hibernate. Are you on a laptop by any chance?
[21:06] <mattfly> yes i am on a laptop
[21:07] <fragtastic> Just got a crash report dialog /usr/share/budgie-desktop/virtualspace/shownav
[21:07] <mattfly> oh thanks for saying that i was wondering if i should try the proprietary driver
[21:07] <matjam> mattfly: you're using the proprietary driver?
[21:07] <mattfly> i installed the nvidia-384 package that offers 390 driver
[21:07] <matjam> was that the package offered in Software Updates?
[21:07] <mattfly> im on a dell i15 7567 with nvidia gtx 1050ti
[21:07] <fragtastic> er, i mean /visualspace/ not /virtualspace/
[21:08] <mattfly> matjam: can you tell me about your hardware and how did you proceed to install the proprietary drivers and is it ubuntu bionic ?
[21:09] <matjam> mattfly: in Software & Updates, go to Additional Drivers and select "Using NVIDIA binary driver"
[21:10] <matjam> that driver is supported by ubuntu.
[21:10] <matjam> (and, yes, this is in 18.04)
[21:10] <mattfly> isnt it the nvidia-384 package??
[21:11] <mattfly> i guess it does the same as installing nvidia-384
[21:12] <matjam> mattfly: the latest for ubuntu 18.04 appears to be 390
[21:12] <matjam> as that is what I have installed
[21:12] <mattfly> but the package name is 384
[21:12] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, i'm gonna dig into this script and try to see what's going on
[21:13] <mattfly> I have it selected to use nvidia drivers on that page
[21:13] <matjam> could be; when I look with dpkg --list | grep nvidia, I see 390 (I'm not at home, so I'm ssh'd into my ubuntu box)
[21:14] <mattfly> what is your hardware ? what is your nvidia card? how much ram and is it a fresh install? are you using the swap file?
[21:14] <matjam> mattfly: ok this appears to be the most up to date information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:14] <mattfly> since the alpha i can hibernate :/
[21:15] <mattfly> nvidia-384: Transitional package for nvidia-driver-390
[21:15] <matjam> mattfly: you might also want to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 for bugs that may be relevant to you
[21:15] <mattfly> nothing related to hibernation...
[21:16] <matjam> mattfly: then I suggest posting perhaps with information about your configuration and maybe the maintainers can help you
[21:16] <mattfly> i did https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uswsusp/+bug/1770491
[21:17] <matjam> ok, sorry, I don't have anything else to suggest.
[21:17] <mattfly> can you give me details about your hardware?
[21:17] <matjam> it's a desktop machine with a 1070 in it
[21:18] <matjam> it's not exotic.
[21:18] <mattfly> how much ram do you have and are you using a swap file or partition, and how much swap you have
[21:18] <mattfly> ?
[21:18] <IntelCore> Two things. One, I click Software center, and..whileI see the loading, it does nothing
[21:19] <IntelCore> Two, After grub menu, ubuntu loads and checks my pc now.. 16.04
[21:19] <matjam> mattfly: I don't think that has much to do with anything, it's just a desktop machine. Hardware for desktops is more common. You're probably hitting some weird bug that only affects certain chipsets/hardware configurations on notebooks.
[21:19] <mattfly> i see..... can be
[21:19] <matjam> IntelCore: have you made changes to sudoers configuration?
[21:19] <IntelCore> not to my knowledge
[21:20] <mattfly> oh if i set a password to root will this driver update stop working?
[21:20] <mattfly> because it also never worked to me
[21:20] <matjam> no
[21:21] <IntelCore> does 16.04 unity with gnome require ubuntu one to load the software-center?
[21:22] <matjam> IntelCore: no, I am able to use it without ubuntu one.
[21:23] <IntelCore>  P:  The One that does not load is under Applications>SystemTools>Administration
[21:24] <matjam> IntelCore: do you have a ~/.cache/gnome-software directory
[21:24] <IntelCore>  Have another Under just SystemTools menu, has no icon
[21:24] <Kon-> How can I restore user-level defaults in PulseAudio and PavuControl? I have an issue which does not exist on a newly created user.
[21:24] <Kon-> I couldn't figure out the problem so this seems the easiest way
[21:24] <fragtastic> as far as i can tell, the left/right workspace shortcuts are listed under "custom" and the command issued is /usr/share/budgie-desktop/visualspace/visualspace <prev|next>
[21:25] <fragtastic> Running in terminal manually is fine, just something about holding Ctrl+Alt is a problem
[21:25] <matjam> fragtastic: maybe another keyboard shortcut is defined somewhere
[21:25] <IntelCore> matjam - yes (3.20)
[21:25] <matjam> IntelCore: quit software center, delete that directory, and re-open it
[21:27] <IntelCore> shows icon, pointer swirls, ahh - it loads
[21:27] <IntelCore> ty
[21:28] <IntelCore> why is my loading now scrolling up checking my stuff [OK} in green
[21:28] <fragtastic> matjam, i've tried removing/readding/changing the shortcuts. still doesn't like moving left
[21:28] <matjam> fragtastic: weird
[21:29] <matjam> fragtastic: try making a new user account and seeing if it behaves the same in that new user account
[21:30] <matjam> IntelCore: not sure what you mean
[21:31] <matjam> Kon-: I don't know for sure, I would do a find . | grep -e "pav|pulse" and see what files show up
[21:32] <IntelCore> matjam - grub menu loads.. says Ubuntu at top.. with others below. I give 30 secs, or hit enter. Well, when I hit enter, it goes text scrolls up, instead of a Ubuntu loading graphic
[21:33] <matjam> IntelCore: but you get a login screen eventually?
[21:33] <IntelCore> yes. it is now checking like in safe/or advanced
[21:33] <matjam> did you select the recovery mode?
[21:33] <IntelCore> noo
[21:34] <matjam> did you install the binary driver for your machine in Software Center?
[21:34] <matjam> er software & updates
[21:34] <IntelCore> no. those update themselfs
[21:34] <matjam> but you get a login like normal and can log into GUI?
[21:35] <IntelCore> yep it will finish and open a gui with me to login
[21:35] <matjam> so, it's probably fine. My machine doesn't do the splash screen either because I installed the nvidia driver.
[21:36] <IntelCore> yes, is running, fine enough. I also note that I did get a USB of 18.04 and ran live session of 18.04
[21:37] <IntelCore> got both iso on drive in downloads
[21:37] <IntelCore> seem after I did this usb, was when
[21:37] <fragtastic> matjam, wouldn't have thought of making another account. Tried it and it behaves properly
[21:38] <fragtastic> I guess it's because my user existed before I installed budgie
[21:39] <matjam> fragtastic: sometimes the config can get messed up, especially if you upgrade from one version to the next and keep the homedir the same, I've taken to storing my files elsewhere and blowing away my homedir on each upgrade/install
[21:39] <fragtastic> I suppose deleting, or at least temporarily moving, ~/.config might be worth a try
[21:39] <matjam> while the ubuntu packages upgrade cleanly, there is not always good support for upgrading the configuration in your homedir for every component, and things like budgie are less popular so they're probably even more likely to have problems.
[21:40] <matjam> I think a lot of things also use .local
[21:40] <matjam> and then theres .gconf, and .gnome, and ... yeah you get the idea
[21:41] <fragtastic> I'll remove gnome first
[21:42] <matjam> 👍
[21:44] <IntelCore> kompozer not in ubuntu. I want like SeaMonkey.
[21:44] <IntelCore> got Blueish
[21:45] <IntelCore> *BlueFish
[21:46] <fragtastic> matjam, thanks a ton though!
[21:46] <matjam> fragtastic: my pleasure
[21:47] <fragtastic> Well, I might as well reinstall at this point. tasksel install ubuntu-budgie-desktop then tasksel remove ubuntu-desktop
[21:47] <fragtastic> Didn't do what I thought
[21:48] <matjam> fragtastic: lawl, yeah, I'm sure removing ubuntu-desktop killed a lot of necessary stuff
[21:48] <oerheks> adding a desktop, no problem, but removing one can be amazing
[21:48] <matjam> oh look, its removing grub
[21:48] <matjam> ... and the kernel ... and libc ...
[21:48] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: See if this helps you at all...I'd recommend reading through all the comments for the top answer as well https://askubuntu.com/questions/854046/restore-default-audio-drivers-in-ubuntu-16
[21:49] <fragtastic> I was under the impression it would just remove the unity/gnome desktop packages
[21:49] <fragtastic> Since I had already selected ubuntu-budgie-desktop
[21:49] <fragtastic> This'll be fun
[21:49] <matjam> fragtastic: I'd just grab the budgie iso and write it to a usb stick and go from there, if I wanted to use budgie
[21:49] <matjam> fragtastic: let me know how you like it, I've been tempted.
[21:50] <fragtastic> I'm gonna at this point
[21:50] <fragtastic> I just saw it remove grub and other things...
[21:50] <matjam> yikes
[21:51] <Bashing-om> fragtastic: removing a DE is not an easy thing - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu - may point ya for what happens .
[21:51] <fragtastic> At this point I'm just seeing how long I can stay in the desktop before it finally tanks
[21:52] <matjam> fragtastic: god speed :D
[21:52] <fragtastic> Bashing-om, I'd open the link, but firefox and chromium are already removed
[21:53] <Bashing-om> fragtastic: Oh Fun !
[21:53] <SlidingHorn> fragtastic: lynx?
[21:53] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, terminal(s) are gone too
[21:54] <SlidingHorn> well, then....have fun storming the castle!
[21:54] <matjam> its ok if you install usb-creator-gtk it will pull back in most of gnome
[21:54] <matjam> do it from a VT
[21:54] <IntelCore> bunzip -dk filneame.bzip2  ??
[21:55] <matjam> IntelCore: sorry?
[21:55] <R13ose> I use LVM, root is mounting read-only and I need instructions to help me with fsck and mounting it read-write again
[21:55] <IntelCore> bzip2 file tar.
[21:55] <IntelCore> un-bzip2?
[21:56] <matjam> IntelCore: whats your question?
[21:56] <IntelCore> terminal command for bzip2 file
[21:56] <matjam> what are you trying to do?
[21:56] <IntelCore> unzip it
[21:56] <matjam> unzip what?
[21:56] <matjam> a tar.bz2 file?
[21:56] <IntelCore> file.tar.bzip2
[21:56] <matjam> tar jxvf file.tar.bzip2
[21:57] <IntelCore> ty
[21:57] <matjam> j = bzip
[21:57] <genii> R13ose: You could probably also show the link here to the pastebin with the mount command output
[21:57] <yacc> Does anyone know if Ubuntu (16.04 or 18.04) supports HFP 1.6 (Bluetooth headset with high quality mic support)?
[21:57] <matjam> x = extract   v = verbose   f = file
[21:57] <u0_a132> h
[21:59] <R13ose> Here is the mount command output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6NM5cCN7Wv/
[21:59] <yacc> R13ose, consider #lvm
[22:00] <R13ose> Thanks yacc
[22:02] <IntelCore> seamonkey install was not clean, but it is there
[22:07] <R13ose> yacc: I asked a question to you in the other channel.
[22:10] <IntelCore> it extracted to the directory. now, I click on file, and.. nothing runs
[22:11] <IntelCore> home/user/seamonkey/seamonkey
[22:13] <Jordan_U> IntelCore: Why do you want to install SeaMonkey?
[22:14] <IntelCore> as web edit for html
[22:15] <IntelCore> aummm, has Compozer it does
[22:16] <IntelCore> that used to be similar in Mozilla Netscape
[22:20] <IntelCore> ah  ./seamonkey
[22:25] <IntelCore> erk, it didn't do..
[22:28] <IntelCore>  :(
[22:31] <xamithan> Why don't you just use the repo for seamonkey instead of putting it somewhere strange
[22:32] <Jordan_U> IntelCore: Compozer isn't maintained anymore. I recommend using a maintained editor like https://www.tinymce.com/ .
[22:32] <IntelCore> repo for seamonkey?
[22:33] <xamithan> Ubuntuzilla
[22:34] <oerheks> easy to find ..
[22:34] <oerheks> https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/how-to-install-seamonkey-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:37] <IntelCore> ubuntu multiverse?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> IntelCore: I now see that tinymce seems to make web pages that require javascript, and while completely LGPL doesn't make it very clear how to use without paying for their cloud services. It may still be something you want to use, but I no longer think it's a replacement for Compozer.
[22:42] <Adran> its an embedded editor, its got source code, you don't need their cloud services
[22:42] <oerheks> libre office can edit too
[22:42] <doug16k> k10temp is giving nonsense reading on ryzen 2700X. It says temp1:       +119.1°C. is this a known issue?
[22:43] <oerheks> doug16k, yes, too new hardware
[22:43] <doug16k> thanks
[22:44] <oerheks> same with the kernel, 4.16 ..
[22:44] <oerheks> Linux 4.16.6 Brings Correct AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Temperature Monitoring https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.16.6-Released
[22:44] <doug16k> great!
[22:45] <IntelCore> have i386, right?
[22:46] <IntelCore> this install via terminal didn't work.
[22:47] <arsen> hi
[22:48] <arsen> hallo
[22:48] <arsen> gibt es jemand da?
[22:49] <meslem> sdcsdcscsdc
[22:49] <doug16k> 2700X normally runs super cool (it87 says 28C-32C typically). I'm running stress test now though (ox-kill-ryzen) and the script showed the impossibly high k10temp reading. it87 says CPU is at 60C.
[22:49] <meslem> a
[23:04] <IntelCore> sniff. didn't work
[23:04] <IntelCore> ty an8 wayz
[23:05] <IntelCore> buh bye
[23:18] <doug16k> oerheks, for now I can get corrected readings with this: watch 'echo $(($(cat /sys/module/k10temp/drivers/pci:k10temp/0000:00:18.3/hwmon/hwmon1/temp1_input) - 59000))'
[23:18] <doug16k> thanks for the link
[23:20] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:24] <Styil> yo, trying to make a program on 18.04, I get
[23:25] <Styil> gpu.cpp:12:10: fatal error: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: No such file or directory
[23:25] <Styil>  #include <X11/extensions/Xrandr.h>
[23:25] <doug16k> Styil, you probably need to install libxrandr-dev
[23:27] <matjam> Styil: fyi, that kind of question is probably better off asked in ##c++-general
[23:27] <Styil> doug16k, it worked, thanks
[23:27] <Styil> was wondering why I couldnt apt install xrandr
[23:27] <Styil> seems that was the wrong package
[23:28] <matjam> Styil: apt search xrandr, then look for something -dev, header files are in -dev packages.
[23:28] <doug16k> Styil, in general, you can figure out a needed package with something like: apt-file search Xrandr.h
[23:28] <Styil> thanks for the tip
[23:30] <yourname_> how do apps get releases to distros or added .. im wondering when eclipse and android studio will make it.
[23:32] <matjam> yourname_: eclipse is in the universe repositories.
[23:34] <matjam> yourname_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[23:35] <yourname_> matjam: it is in there but does not run.. i heard there was a bug..also i think it has something to do with java
[23:36] <matjam> You'd have to take it up with the maintainers
[23:38] <matjam> yourname_: go click the "this bug affects me" button : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/1754886
[23:38] <yourname_> matjam: yea thats my problem.. thank you :)
[23:42] <matjam> yourname_: could could also search to see if there are any PPAs available that might work. https://launchpad.net/~mmk2410/+archive/ubuntu/eclipse-ide-java might work for you, but it's unsupported in this channel.
[23:43] <oerheks> hmmm ... OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=256m; support was removed in 8.0 .. When using Java 1.8 you have to replace -XX:MaxPermSize with -XX:MaxMetaspaceSize.
[23:43] <oerheks> old tread, https://github.com/ervandew/eclim/issues/431 last post
[23:43] <yourname_> matjam: i couldnt find any ppas but using a snapd package and have a source install aswell but there is nothing like the comfort
[23:44] <yourname_> of a deb
[23:44] <matjam> try the PPA I linked.
[23:45] <yourname_> matjam: no way.. i looked forever ty :)