[14:15] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: Includes08   that's teh ppa, and that's cuased the problems in the first place it seems !
[14:15] <vonnojimon> lmfao
[14:15] <Includes08> i know but i want him to start fresh
[14:15] <vonnojimon> i have
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: more like reove teh ppa stuff
[14:15] <Includes08> and start from the first error he gets
[14:15] <Includes08> hmm
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: then sudo apt-get wine-stable
[14:15] <sebsebsebb> from repos
[14:16] <Includes08> he could do that
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> that's what want to do
[14:16] <Includes08> well as he has purged
[14:16] <Includes08> do this
[14:16] <Includes08> sudo apt-get wine-stable
[14:16] <Includes08> :)
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: try the purget
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: try too purge it ight not just remove it all
[14:16] <sebsebsebb> but worth a try
[14:16] <JTech> .... I don't remember. was there an easy way of formatting it with "disks" without making sure I unmount without ejecting?
[14:17] <TRer> Hello
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: sudo apt-get purge wine
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> try taht
[14:17] <Includes08> he already did :p
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> TRer: hi
[14:17] <zomaar> JTech: On the laptop or debian?
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> zomaar: did it work to purge ?
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon:
[14:17] <vonnojimon> nah man
[14:17] <JTech> I don't know how this can be so exhausting when I'm not learning anything. I guess just banging my head against info for 10-11 hours is sufficient.
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> pastebin
[14:17] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: pastebin output
[14:18] <jnhghy> Hi, I have a laptop that has to mount nfs drives, I tried autofs but when the demon is I can't login with any users ( like after a restart ) I can do it in command line and the drives are mounted but can't in GUI, anyone has any clue about it?
[14:18] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: actsaully pastebin everything absoutly everything so  Includes08  can also see
[14:18] <JTech> zomaar, laptop. I'm trying to get the files to Debian.
[14:19] <zomaar> JTech: Then the stick is not mounted in the laptop right now right
[14:19] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/BghPK4lrADNHY
[14:19] <zomaar> Or is it
[14:19] <Includes08> ill take a look :)
[14:19] <JTech> zomaar, it's mounted.
[14:19] <zomaar> It was actually easier to copy the install and get a base system running, but yeah
[14:19] <zomaar> Okay
[14:19] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: oh its messed up for sure
[14:20] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: but fisable some how :d
[14:20] <vonnojimon> sorry?
[14:20] <zomaar> There is probably a system tray menu in your system where you can unmount
[14:20] <Includes08> well kinda sebsebsebb but i don't think its a big problem
[14:20] <JTech> oh crap. I forgot the command to run disks.
[14:20] <Includes08> its just hard to tell when i can't ssh in or anything xD
[14:20] <zomaar> JTech: gnome-disks
[14:20] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: things are messed up from installing the ppa, but fixable
[14:20] <JTech> zomaar, I just can't remember which program I used to format, and whehther it required unmounting.
[14:21] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: no its just running a few comands, the correct commands, and starting over from the repo wine, but I am not sure the comands to fix the mess
[14:21] <Includes08> well purge should fix a whole lot but it doesn't seem like it
[14:21] <Includes08> wait
[14:21] <vonnojimon> im all ears but let me know what and when
[14:22] <vonnojimon> while u2 work out a plan
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: no it's all on Includes08  now :d
[14:22] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:22] <Includes08> okay try to install this
[14:22] <zomaar> JTech: Maybe go to sleep lol
[14:22] <Includes08> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[14:22] <Includes08> i want logs of the install :)
[14:22] <vonnojimon> okay
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> oh ppa purge
[14:22] <Includes08> this is my last bet
[14:22] <Includes08> yeh it removes everything related to a ppa
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> a package to remove a ppa hmm
[14:22] <sebsebsebb> !info ppa-purge
[14:23] <JTech> zomaar, yeah. I'm pretty wasted. I underestimated how badly I could fail at this.
[14:23] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: ok bingo try that for sure
[14:23] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: and pastebin output
[14:23] <vonnojimon> done
[14:23] <Includes08> show me ;)
[14:23] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzqByWN1NtV
[14:23] <zomaar> JTech: Insert the usb stick and do dmesg | tail to see what name it got
[14:24] <zomaar> JTech: then do sudo umount name
[14:24] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon:  ok and now got to remove the ppa using that
[14:24] <sebsebsebb> some how
[14:24] <vonnojimon> o shit how dude
[14:24] <Includes08> wait
[14:24] <vonnojimon> and what do i need to get rid of
[14:24] <sebsebsebb> the wine ppa
[14:24] <Includes08> sudo ppa-purge ubuntu-wine
[14:24] <zomaar> JTech: But I have to quit this
[14:24] <Includes08> :) i think like that?
[14:24] <Includes08> just output what you get
[14:25] <vonnojimon> dont leave me wait pls
[14:25] <zomaar> JTech: I assumed your level of skill would be higher because you had Debian installed
[14:25] <Includes08> idk how the ppa was called you've installed ^^'
[14:25] <Includes08> i won't leave you don't worry
[14:25] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/RghnWLgLErYhz
[14:25] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: you will for a new boy friend :d
[14:25] <sebsebsebb> h eh
[14:25] <vonnojimon> lolz
[14:26] <Includes08> wooooww
[14:26] <vonnojimon> dude im noob
[14:26] <vonnojimon> only linux for 6month
[14:26] <vonnojimon> s
[14:26] <zomaar> JTech: I can only ask you to get the ISO on any of the harddisks (not the one you are installing on) and then follow that tutorial
[14:26] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: well keep away from ppas for now, that's the moral of the story :d
[14:27] <Includes08> doesn't matter :) i do it for like 10+ years its just i prefer centos/ any kernel related to that or arch
[14:27] <vonnojimon> for sure
[14:27] <Includes08> ppa's are not dangerous tho
[14:27] <sebsebsebb> Includes08  they can be depends what it is, and they can mess the package manager up a bit like now
[14:27] <Includes08> give me a second my love
[14:27] <Includes08> i'm looking for a script
[14:27] <vonnojimon> r ppas maintained kept up to date
[14:27] <sebsebsebb> !love
[14:27] <sebsebsebb> they used to hae one for love it was great
[14:27] <vonnojimon> no worries
[14:27] <Includes08> okay vonnojimon here we go again
[14:28] <Includes08> sudo apt install python3-apt
[14:28] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhOqRwoqNnu0
[14:28] <sebsebsebb> sebsebseb
[14:28] <vonnojimon> got it already
[14:28] <Includes08> whoops xD
[14:28] <Includes08> nice
[14:28] <Includes08> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/davidfoerster/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries/master/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:28] <Includes08> :)
[14:29] <Includes08> do that
[14:29] <vonnojimon> but python 3
[14:29] <Includes08> tell me when don
[14:29] <vonnojimon> 1.4.0~beta3build2)
[14:29] <Includes08> python can run nice scripts :P
[14:29] <Includes08> did you download it?
[14:29] <Includes08> the wget command did you do it?
[14:30] <vonnojimon> soz will do got lost catching up reading
[14:30] <vonnojimon> cant see whole command
[14:30] <rek>  hi everyone... i open for example firefox with gnome-terminal in my ubuntu fluxbox session  then i lock or let the screen lock with xscreensaver and i logout my teamviewer session from the remote machine i'm talking about.... the problem is when i come back everytime the application i opened with the terminal is closed....in my working area i don't see anymore the terminal....what could be the issue?
[14:30] <vonnojimon> ends at remove...
[14:31] <vonnojimon> no
[14:31] <vonnojimon> pls repeat command or pastebin it
[14:31] <Includes08> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/davidfoerster/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries/master/apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:31] <Includes08> hmm wait ill patebin it
[14:31] <sebsebsebb> rek:  hmm
[14:32] <sebsebsebb> rek: maybe xcreensaver cauess it to close but probably not really
[14:32] <Includes08> https://pastebin.com/C6Vqn870 vonnojimon
[14:32] <LTCD> Hey. I opened virtualbox, but I am unable to start any VMs :'-(. Here are full details: https://pastebin.com/hzvy8wCQ
[14:32] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/y8h6oMLzmQlCO
[14:32] <sebsebsebb> rek:  or it loses it, since you opended Firefox up from the terminal
[14:32] <sebsebsebb> rek:  then you got it closed on the remote connect, so it closes firefox down
[14:32] <Includes08> you forgot to put     wget     infront of it
[14:32] <Includes08> vonnojimon,
[14:32]  * Includes08 hugs sebsebsebb
[14:33] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:33] <sebsebsebb> Includes08:  why ?
[14:33] <vonnojimon> wait there
[14:33] <vonnojimon> cpy pst error
[14:33] <Includes08> you're my boyfriend sebsebsebb
[14:33] <Includes08> nah vonnojimon thats PEBKAC
[14:33] <sebsebsebb> rek: if you run programs from a terminal, and it then later closes,   that terinal, be that on the same computer, or via a remote connect,  then yeah firefox or whatever is running from it, should close too
[14:34] <Includes08> done vonnojimon
[14:34] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: if your a woman from around here, and right kind of age, I may be interested, if not uhmmm sorry try vonnojimon   instead :D
[14:34] <Includes08> xD
[14:34] <Includes08> threesome with vonnojimon sebsebsebb xD
[14:34] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:35] <vonnojimon> not workin guys
[14:35] <Includes08> vonnojimon, did you do that command yet?
[14:35] <Includes08> how is wget not working
[14:35] <Includes08> https://pastebin.com/C6Vqn870
[14:35] <Includes08> did you copy all that and do it
[14:35] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmvAxJ5OguM
[14:35] <Includes08> oh you already downloaded it lol xD
[14:35] <Includes08> like more then once
[14:35] <Includes08> now do this
[14:35] <Includes08> chmod +x apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:36] <Includes08> done?
[14:36] <Includes08> then do
[14:36] <Includes08> sudo ./apt-remove-duplicate-source-entries.py
[14:36] <Includes08> let me know how it goes
[14:37] <Includes08> you just have to run them once :) and paste it to me
[14:37] <vonnojimon> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjAV3joJZSy
[14:37] <vonnojimon> i think that worked
[14:37] <vonnojimon> didnt it
[14:38] <Includes08> oh thats even worse then i thought wait let me go back to one of your old pastes
[14:38] <vonnojimon> what u think gys
[14:38] <sebsebsebb>  vonnojimon looks like that worked
[14:38] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, he has duplicated errors, ubuntu says so
[14:38] <vonnojimon> thanks
[14:38] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: yeah
[14:38] <vonnojimon> dam
[14:38] <Includes08> if that script cant find it i don't think it worked at all
[14:38] <vonnojimon> mmmm
[14:39] <Includes08> ugh
[14:39] <vonnojimon> what do you recommend fresh install
[14:39] <Includes08> no
[14:39] <vonnojimon> sad but not the end of the world
[14:39] <hhh> Hello, does anyone know if I run "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda", with sda being my currently mounted drive, will the command finish properly? I'm trying to do a "live wipe" of the drive which has been failing, to make any kind of recovery harder when drive gets replaced. Thanks!
[14:39] <Includes08> install teamviewer :)
[14:39] <Includes08> will be quicker as i don't have much time
[14:40] <vonnojimon> thats a bit wide open dont you think
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> hhh: uh dev/sda is the hard disk
[14:40] <hhh> yes
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> usually
[14:40] <hhh> I am trying to wipe it
[14:40] <Includes08> how you mean vonnojimon ?
[14:40] <vonnojimon> security
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> hhh: thats the master hard disk the one you would be using
[14:40] <sebsebsebb> the first hard disk
[14:40] <Includes08> you can remove it after :)
[14:40] <hhh> indeed. I want it dead.
[14:40] <Includes08> you don't have to paste the details in this chat ill send you a private message
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> hhh: well I guess you could try that command then
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> nto sure if it will workthough
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> but looks like it may
[14:41] <Includes08> but i'm sure me helping you while i can do things to see whats actually wrong goes faster then 100000 pastes haha
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> hhh: although rpobably better from a live cd maybe still to do that
[14:41] <hhh> yeah, was wondering if anyone knew for sure. don't want to start it and have it fail half way through :) as box is on other side of the country, kinda got one shot for it
[14:41] <sebsebsebb> hhh: just since I guess once enough of the os is gone, it's going to crash otherwise. also why not just delete teh partion from a live cd or something ?
[14:41] <Includes08> https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/ vonnojimon
[14:41] <akik> hhh: use /dev/zero instead of /dev/urandom and add bs=1M
[14:42] <hhh> why zero? isn't urandom better for anti-forensics if someone recovers the trashed drive?
[14:42] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i send you a pm
[14:42] <vonnojimon> much as i want to i cant run with teamviewer
[14:42] <akik> hhh: i've read that writing zeroes works as good
[14:42] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: if you trust him, but Includes08  might be a maliocus cracker
[14:43] <zomaar> hhh: In general "shred" will do what you want
[14:43] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, he was about to reinstall anyway :P so what does he have to loose.
[14:43] <zomaar> hhh: "shred -n0 -z /dev/sda" will only write zeroes
[14:43] <zomaar> hhh: "shred -n1 /dev/sda" will write random (once)
[14:43] <Includes08> if vonnojimon is a hacker sebsebsebb teamviewer might backfire ;P
[14:43] <vonnojimon> i need  this thing fixd bt i am very aware of the damage anyone could cause
[14:43] <vonnojimon> lol
[14:43] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: no you
[14:43] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i don't think i can cause more damage then you already did xD
[14:43] <vonnojimon> i just socially engineered u righto
[14:44] <zomaar> hhh: But your unrandom command will also work
[14:44] <vonnojimon> ha ha ha lmfao
[14:44] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: if victorbjelkholm  is something like that, then yeah thew hwole of team viewer may blow up with broken pageks all over its Linux servers :D
[14:44] <zomaar> hhh: Just fine
[14:44] <hhh> ok, thanks all!
[14:44] <Includes08> hahhaha sebsebsebb
[14:44] <vonnojimon> what was the command
[14:44] <Includes08> what command vonnojimon ?
[14:44] <Includes08> you mean the link xD
[14:44] <Includes08> https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/
[14:44] <vonnojimon> ur random command i never saw it
[14:45] <Includes08> i don't have any random command though xD
[14:45] <vonnojimon> soz read wrong convo
[14:45] <vonnojimon> about hd
[14:45] <vonnojimon> lolz
[14:45] <vonnojimon> this is hillarious
[14:46] <sebsebsebb> akik: it was you earlier I think?  so I used a old usb and made a new with rufus, but same proble still uh
[14:46] <akik> vonnojimon: you can use /lastlog random to see previous messsages
[14:46] <sebsebsebb> akik: I wonder if someting is wrong with the 16.04.3 iso and this lap top
[14:46] <sebsebsebb> say a new kernel or something
[14:46] <vonnojimon> so no fixy aye not without teamviewer
[14:46] <Includes08> yeh well i can keep on trying to explain :P but then we might be 3 hours later.
[14:47] <akik> sebsebsebb: sorry i haven't followed your discussion
[14:47] <Includes08> next to that its either teamviewer or ssh, with teamviewer you can see what i do with ssh you can't thats why i choose carefully for teamviewer ;P
[14:47] <sebsebsebb> akik: oh it was someone else with an a name earalier ?
[14:47] <vonnojimon> lets try pls
[14:47] <akik> sebsebsebb: upi
[14:47] <akik> sebsebsebb: you've talked to vonnojimon a lot
[14:47] <sebsebsebb> hi ioria
[14:47] <sebsebsebb> akik: no before that
[14:48] <Includes08> idk what more to try then dive through your sources files and lists
[14:48] <sebsebsebb> akik: I was here with my own issue orignally
[14:48] <vonnojimon> u jelly
[14:48] <Includes08> and see where it went wrong
[14:48] <vonnojimon> ?lols
[14:48] <akik> sebsebsebb: or alkisg
[14:48] <Includes08> cause i'm a CLI user not a GUI user xD
[14:48] <sebsebsebb> yeah alkisg  that was probably it
[14:48] <Includes08> and you sound like a GUI user and a CLI noob :p
[14:48] <Includes08> to easily explain thehe
[14:48] <vonnojimon> lmao
[14:49] <vonnojimon> this is better than springer
[14:49] <sebsebsebb> turns out both vonnojimon   and Includes08  about 15 years of age  mentally anyway, and on that jerry springer epsidoe, everyone is going jerry jerry jerrry 10  times anyway.  it's about the afair that was mentioend earlier breaking edowdn, werid tv
[14:50] <Includes08> i'm a kernel level nerd :3 i know the deepest part of the os ^^' atleast for centos and arch. But ubuntu doesn't have that much difference imo
[14:50] <vonnojimon> yes i am a kid brain
[14:50] <vonnojimon> ill admit it
[14:50] <Includes08> 15 years mentally? i won't admit that
[14:50] <Includes08> maybe just a little ;P
[14:50] <vonnojimon> i also find other things interesting but i am primal
[14:50] <vonnojimon> in many ways
[14:51] <Includes08> i'm from the msn messenger age :3 thats why i use cheap emoticons in IRC
[14:51] <vonnojimon> an id say closer to 10
[14:51] <vonnojimon> mentally
[14:51]  * sebsebsebb will not use rufus to test bad blocks on a usb so easilly, taking way too long
[14:51] <sebsebsebb> again i mean
[14:51] <sebsebsebb> k vonnojimon
[14:51] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, etcher works just as good and goes way quicker :)
[14:51] <vonnojimon> lol me too
[14:51] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: no it didn't work
[14:52] <Includes08> i prefer the dd command though cause that beats every speed
[14:52] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: etehcer didn't even burn 16.04.3 properly
[14:52] <Includes08> weird
[14:52] <sebsebsebb> I tried that  first, then unetbootin,  now done refus, and same issue
[14:52] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, aslong as you don't use lili or unetbootin
[14:52] <Includes08> :) those are creepy and dangerous
[14:52] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: I thought it said 88 orngally 1988 but then saw its 08, so yes msn msenger age
[14:52] <vonnojimon> so what is possible to fix my issue ppl
[14:53] <vonnojimon> anything or is it a fresh install
[14:53] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: whats lilli ?
[14:53] <vonnojimon> 82
[14:53] <Includes08> kinda like unetbootin but bigger xD
[14:53] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: its weird yeah, since  if it jsut comes up with grub, but won't go to try ubuntu option reglardess or antying else.
[14:53] <vonnojimon> i was 6then
[14:53] <Includes08> hey msn messenger is from the 90's!
[14:53] <vonnojimon> o yeah
[14:53] <Includes08> i'm a early 90's kiddo
[14:53] <vonnojimon> b4 fb
[14:54] <vonnojimon> during doom in form class
[14:54] <vonnojimon> days
[14:54] <vonnojimon> loved that game
[14:54] <akik> sebsebsebb: rufus has a dd write mode which you can access by pressing alt-i once after starting rufus
[14:54] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: I just suspect maybe some updates in the iso has caused a problem.  was treading something about new kernel and intel hardware on  releasete notes,   but i don't know.     I mean I used to haev 16.04 and what not on this lap top, before new motherboard and hard disk
[14:54] <vonnojimon> 17.10
[14:54] <akik> sebsebsebb: it'll say "disabling iso support"
[14:54] <sebsebsebb> akik: yes but iso mode seems to mostly work, I did see it has dd mode too though a few differnet ways to burn
[14:54] <vonnojimon> was on 16.04
[14:54] <vonnojimon> upgraded
[14:54] <vonnojimon> 17.10
[14:55] <zomaar> Yay, I upgraded KDE to that of Yakkety and now the GTK tooltip font bug is gone
[14:55] <Includes08> ah well :) my bios doesn't let me do anything i have to stick with shitty ubuntu till intel merges my push ^^' see you in 1 year.
[14:55] <sebsebsebb> akik: or is it better to burn in dd mode on refus ?
[14:55] <Includes08> "Though the term dates from the 1990s, instant messaging predates the Internet" i'm from the IM era
[14:55] <akik> sebsebsebb: the best would be to use dd on linux but the second best might be the dd mode in rufus
[14:55] <sebsebsebb> akik: I don't have any working Linux right now
[14:55] <Includes08> the dd mode in rufus works pretty good yeh :)
[14:55] <vonnojimon> which when exactly
[14:56] <sebsebsebb> akik: hence refus, I don't use Windows for fun :d
[14:56] <vonnojimon> is
[14:56] <Includes08> vonnojimon, doom in classes or quake xD
[14:56] <vonnojimon> o shit wolfenstein
[14:56] <Includes08> xD
[14:56] <vonnojimon> and doom i think
[14:56] <sebsebsebb> akik: does it matter about the like mbr and uefi,  or  gpt only options, i mean a efw little options for that in refus, i was thinking try  gpt mode only next
[14:56] <Includes08> oh and don't forget unreal tournament
[14:56] <sebsebsebb> akik: I don't need the stick to work with windows xp like it warns
[14:57] <akik> sebsebsebb: the dd mode just writes the iso on the usb stick as with dd in linux
[14:57] <Includes08> nah sebsebsebb the first option is good just put it in dd mode
[14:57] <sebsebsebb> what's the difference on refus between iso mode and dd then ?
[14:58] <vonnojimon> i have had issues with usbs after using bootable usb writers and other disk managament i fixed with dd and sync
[14:58] <vonnojimon> easily found on google quick search im a noob so b careful
[14:59] <vonnojimon> hey hav u guys forgotten about my problem wine python etc
[14:59] <sebsebsebb> akik:  Includes08  whats' teh differnce between iso mode and dd mode on refus then ?
[14:59] <vonnojimon> can it be fixed
[14:59] <vonnojimon> just need ya or nay
[14:59] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: yes mabe by Includes08  breaking in to your computer, I mean you letting him in :d
[14:59] <vonnojimon> lol
[15:00] <vonnojimon> okay steal my money paste my shit all over the net zero my hard disc
[15:00] <zomaar> My DVB-T TV card suddenly started working
[15:00] <vonnojimon> and steal my identiy
[15:00] <sebsebsebb> except is there enough money worth stealing is the thing h eh
[15:00] <akik> sebsebsebb: the other mode probably opens the iso image and uses the files inside of it to create the bootable usb stick
[15:01] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, just 2 different ways of writing, dd is more secure in its way.
[15:01] <sebsebsebb> akik: yeah thats what it looied like it idd, I mean it even opended up the file manager, and then I saw things going in to that, from refus
[15:01] <vonnojimon> the less you have the move you value what you posess  so mine is worth more if i am poor by that logic
[15:02] <vonnojimon> thanks for trying to help really appreci
[15:02] <sebsebsebb> akik: ok I'll try dd option next tie with default  for mbr or gpt  next time, then,  which uhnmmm maybe will be in about half an hour,    this bad bloc testing is taking ages, and it wasn't going to be happpy if i cancalled so  oh nearly 95 percent but this has already been nearly two hours !
[15:02] <vonnojimon> thanks both of you
[15:02] <Includes08> vonnojimon, i mean you're using a webchat client, don't think you're safe then anyway. I'm even cloaked and thats not 100% safe.
[15:02] <akik> sebsebsebb: there'll be no options with the dd write mode
[15:03] <vonnojimon> i know
[15:03] <sebsebsebb> akik: dd  mode is a proper copy of the iso image?  label  the whole lot ?
[15:03] <vonnojimon> i just dont wanna hand over root
[15:03] <sebsebsebb> akik: the iso mode even seeemd to give me a label that was differnt from the usual
[15:03] <akik> sebsebsebb: the dd mode just writes the iso on the usb stick as with dd in linux
[15:03] <vonnojimon> permissions
[15:03] <vonnojimon> no roots here
[15:03] <vonnojimon> lol
[15:03] <Includes08> vonnojimon, you will be seeing what i do anyway xd if you don't like it its called shutdown and restart and i'm gone
[15:04] <vonnojimon> not b4 u could launch a nasty little script
[15:04] <sebsebsebb> one time years ago, I had some ports open for that kind of thing, and someone for a laugh  a few years back, decided to connect to that,  then in to their virtual machine, and they deleted windows xp in front of me :D
[15:05] <sebsebsebb> they knew i had ports open since had said on irc h eh
[15:05] <Includes08> that i would have to download first anyway
[15:05] <vonnojimon> lol
[15:05] <vonnojimon> i know right
[15:05] <Includes08> you trusted me with that other script before looking in the script anyway
[15:05] <Includes08> so you could've had more damage then with me being in teamviewer.
[15:05] <Includes08> its called trust :)
[15:05] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: I looked at the first one seemed ok
[15:06] <Includes08> but you didn't tell vonnojimon xD
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: he probably won't do anything
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> malicious
[15:06] <vonnojimon> nano
[15:06] <vonnojimon> true
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> it can be easier though, tehn lots of pastebins and what not
[15:06] <sebsebsebb> and quicker
[15:06] <Includes08> anyway mention me if you need me :) i'm working on my own problems for a sec :)
[15:07] <vonnojimon> churrz
[15:07] <sebsebsebb> akik: if dd mode also doesnt' work right, hmm, I will try 16.04.2 I think download that.  to be honest I only want 16.04 on as well, and I guess pshyically as well,  since I wanted to try out yunit properly :d
[15:07] <vonnojimon> good luck with urs
[15:07] <sebsebsebb> from a ppa , wink wink at vonnojimon
[15:08] <akik> sebsebsebb: i haven't had any problems with 16.04.3 iso
[15:08] <Includes08> well i'm trying to get tlp to run properly :)
[15:08] <sebsebsebb> akik: I am not sure if it's 16.04.3 causing the problems, or something else
[15:08] <Includes08> i mean what i need a 8 thread 4.2 ghz processor for in ubuntu
[15:08] <Includes08> its just a waste of battery
[15:08] <sebsebsebb> akik: its' weridw when grub comes up from the usb stick that's made, but then it won't boot up things like try ubuntu
[15:09] <vonnojimon> question how dangerous a risk is using irc from security standpoint in browser 17.10
[15:09] <sebsebsebb> akik: and this lap top used to have 16.04 on it, before the hard disk was changed and motherboard so
[15:09] <Includes08> vonnojimon, theres a big risk no matter what
[15:09] <Includes08> thats why people use vpn's and cloaks :)
[15:09] <Includes08> and actual clients
[15:09] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: probably more dangerous on windows
[15:09] <vonnojimon> got sophos n ublock origin noscript ghostery
[15:10] <Includes08> sebsebsebb, doesn't make a diference
[15:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: on Linux more secure
[15:10] <vonnojimon> any other recomendations
[15:10] <vonnojimon> gt linux
[15:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: irc in browser that is
[15:10] <vonnojimon> such as
[15:10] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: but never run IRC as root on Linux otherwise uhmm  rather insecure
[15:10] <vonnojimon> yup gt that one
[15:10] <Includes08> >_> root or no root its unsecure anyway
[15:10] <Includes08> irc doesn't tunnel
[15:11] <Includes08> its all about your personal information, if your ip leaks in freenode theres always someone that can get anything from that :)
[15:11] <vonnojimon> how about using vpn to connect any better or still an issue and example pls
[15:11] <vonnojimon> what kind of info do they want
[15:11] <vonnojimon> how do u protect
[15:12] <sebsebsebb> ips leak to websites and what not too
[15:12] <Includes08> a vpn is the most secure you can get
[15:12] <Includes08> if they have your ip and they are good worst thing they can get your recent browser history or install keyloggers :)
[15:12] <Includes08> passwords what not
[15:13] <sebsebsebb> except lots of peoples have ip showing
[15:14] <Includes08> he quit :P i guess he got scared sebsebsebb
[15:14] <JTech> sorry I don't remember who was helping me earlier, but thanks. I had to go AFK and I don't know what they said to me.
[15:14] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: hes back
[15:15] <Includes08> why are you not cloaked sebsebsebb ? or using a vpn atleast
[15:15] <vonnojimon> nah
[15:15] <vonnojimon> not till just then
[15:15] <sebsebsebb> Includes08: pm me h eh
[15:15] <vonnojimon> what is cloaked (is it a term for using a vpn
[15:15] <rek> sebsebsebb, i don't know
[15:16] <sebsebsebb> vonnojimon: no to hide your host name on freenode or other networks
[15:16] <sebsebsebb> and ip
[15:16] <Includes08> nah a non affiliate cloak hides your ip :)
[15:18] <vonnojimon> how do u do that
[15:19] <kostkon> !cloak | vonnojimon
[15:27] <MacroMan> I'm trying to purge the `virtualbox` package, but after a re-install it know the settings from the previous install. I though purge was to remove ALL files
[15:27] <MacroMan> What action can I take to remove and purge any trace of this program?
[15:28] <alkisg> MacroMan: purging packages does NOT touch files under /home/username, which is where your virtualbox settings and data are
[15:29] <alkisg> MacroMan: so instead of using apt, use a file manager to navigate and delete those files
[15:29] <Includes08> vonnojimon, you still alive :) i responded to your pm?
[15:30] <MacroMan> alkisg: I couldn't find anything in my home directory, but I'll take another look
[15:30] <vonnojimon> yeah but i cnt quite get over my trust issues gt some super imp dloads i must keep
[15:30] <vonnojimon> thanks a mill tho
[15:30] <alkisg> MacroMan: press ctrl+h to see the hidden folders like .VirtualBox
[15:30] <MacroMan> Other people online are saying to remove the ~/.virtualbox directory, but it defo doesn't exist
[15:30] <xXLabRatXx> I have a question pertaining to ChromeOS, is there an IRC channel for that or should I ask it here?
[15:31] <Includes08> no worries vonnojimon  :)
[15:31] <MacroMan> alkisg: I have. It's not there
[15:31] <MacroMan> I've listed files in terminal too, but no virtualbox directiry
[15:31] <vonnojimon> ur awesome Includes08 cheers 4ur time
[15:31] <vonnojimon> and help greatly appreciated
[15:31] <kostkon> MacroMan, it could be ~/.config/virtualbox
[15:32] <MacroMan> kostkon: Ah bingo! Thank you
[15:32] <Includes08> no worries you can always land in my PM box :) ill respond if you ever need me.
[15:33] <alkisg> MacroMan: find ~ -iname '*virtualbox*'
[15:35] <MacroMan> alkisg: I'll try and remember that. Thank you
[15:36] <vonnojimon> thank you
[15:38] <nagyg> hi all
[15:38] <nagyg> I plugged in a USB headset to ubuntu (17.10) and syslog says: device not accepting address ... error -71, unable to enumerate USB device
[15:39] <nagyg> any suggestions what to do with it?
[15:46] <Metalhead> static
[15:46] <Metalhead> oh hai
[15:46] <alkisg> dynamic hi :)
[15:46] <Metalhead> haha sorry, was typing somewhere else
[15:47] <Sven_vB> can I use systemd socket activation for user services (/home/foobard/.config/systemd/user/foobard.s{ervice,ocket}) in Ubuntu trusty but keep whatever is my current init system (probably upstart)?
[15:48] <alkisg> Sven_vB: most probably, no
[15:49] <Sven_vB> :(
[15:49] <alkisg> Imagine that Ubuntu first switched to systemd for the system, and LATER for the session
[15:49] <alkisg> Sven_vB: well, you can still use the usual techniques like /etc/xdg/autostart
[15:50] <Sven_vB> even if foobard expects to inherit a server socket?
[15:51] <alkisg> Sven_vB: do you mean that you want a system process to spawn a user process? Then that user process won't be part of the user session
[15:53] <Sven_vB> I'd actually prefer to start a stable service manager as a user process via user foobard's anacron (@reboot) and that service manager shall provide socket activation to foobard (because it expects that)
[15:54] <alkisg> Sven_vB: anacron is still outside of a user's normal session, if you care about displaying a UI anywhere
[15:54] <Sven_vB> ah no there's no UI involved
[15:54] <Sven_vB> all communication is via the socket
[15:54] <Sven_vB> which will be a TCP port
[15:55] <alkisg> Sven_vB: I still didn't get the architecture. So it's just 2 user processes communicating over tcp/ip locally?
[15:56] <xubuntu_> Hello All
[15:56] <Sven_vB> nope. foobard is a daemon-like program that can accept TCP connections on a server socket, which it has to inherit because it can't listen itself. also it terminates after some idle time in order to save system resources, expecting to be started again when there are new connections.
[15:57] <Sven_vB> so I need another program that can listen on the TCP port, and start foobard if it's not active already.
[15:57] <alkisg> Sven_vB: eh, are you sure inetd doesn't fit what you're describing?
[15:58] <evaluate> Hello.
[15:58] <Sven_vB> alkisg, no idea. I'll read about it!
[15:58] <evaluate> If I try to preseed a partman recipe where the /home partition has "method{ keep }", I get the following error: the installer needs to remove operating system files from the install target but was unable to do so. Any idea why this is happening?
[15:58] <alkisg> Sven_vB: manpages.ubuntu.com/inetd
[15:59] <Sven_vB> alkisg, thanks!
[15:59] <alkisg> np
[16:00] <thinky> hello
[16:00] <thinky> i made update on terminal few mins ago
[16:00] <thinky> and it installed suru icon set
[16:00] <whitebeast> I heard about an update on tuesday for the ubuntu kernel.. That it prevented people from getting 0ast the grub screen..... Has this been fixed does anyone know?
[16:00] <thinky> but when i go to appearance i cant see suru icons
[16:01] <thinky> is suru icon set now officially installed to ubuntu?
[16:02] <thinky> or it is something i installed before that i forgot
[16:04] <thinky> hello
[16:04] <thinky> is there anybody?
[16:05] <rreck> if i am considered an anybody the answer is 'no'
[16:06] <Sven_vB> alkisg, found it. my previous inetd tutorial made the wait option look unsuitable but http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/inetd.8.html sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. "The master socket will then be passed as fd 0 to the server, which will then need to accept the incoming connection." so I'll just write "env LISTEN_FDS=0 " in front of the ExecStart= command and see whether it works. :-)
[16:07] <skinux> I just found something interesting. I used Ubuntu installer to "repair" my system. By doing so, apparently it fixed Apache's misconfiguration.
[16:07] <alkisg> Sven_vB: cool
[16:07] <skinux> However, it appears Apache isn't configured to use FastCGI
[16:09] <LuMint> hello. i got the kernel 3.13.0-139-generic  and I wonder if Meltdown was fixed in it. dmesg | grep -i isolation shows nothing so I wonder if I'm safe or not
[16:09] <Romantic> ^ is there a list of kernels that will/are patched?
[16:10] <Romantic> specifically, the 4.4.0- line?
[16:12] <foca__> I'm trying to add a printer located on a windows domain using system-config-printer, but when I demand a print test it gest stuck with a message "held for authentication". What this could be ?
[16:12] <nacc> Romantic: should be in the usn docs
[16:15] <strive> foca__: Check the samba configuration file?
[16:16] <strive> foca__: I know there's a print section: [print$] - comment, path, broweable, read only, guest ok..ec.
[16:16] <strive> etc.
[16:17] <slipttees> alkisg:
[16:17] <strive> foca__: Also, there's a [printers] set of directives.
[16:17] <slipttees> alkisg: HD sentinel Hard disk Health 9% :-/
[16:18] <strive> slipttees: Time to upgrade.
[16:19] <nplus> Hi, I have a probably simple question... I'm creating a service on 16.04, I created /etc/systemd/system/mylittle.service Why is it that some services can be managed via $service --status-all  but my service doesn't get listed there?
[16:19] <strive> foca__: One thing I might add is to make sure you've got smbclient and cifs-utils installed on the client machine.
[16:19] <slipttees> alkisg: Disk is OK, 2928 bad sectors (36º / 97º)
[16:21] <strive> nplus: Did you configure it properly?
[16:21] <slipttees> TJ-: Bro... problem is my hard drive - HD Sentinel say Healt 9% and 2928 bad sectors! :-(
[16:23] <Sven_vB> any suggestions on which flavor of inetd I should install? I'd like a simple one but it has to support wait for TCP
[16:23] <sapopeta> hi guys
[16:24] <nplus> strive: I believe so. I can start/stop the service with systemctl and all appears to work. At what point does a service get "added" to the $service --status-all?
[16:25] <shubham> hii
[16:25] <sapopeta> another aplications for running windows apps
[16:26] <alkisg> (06:19:34 μμ) slipttees: alkisg: Disk is OK, 2928 bad sectors (36º / 97º) ==> then yeah, locating and marking new bad sectors may take time. Check the output of `dmesg` after booting.
[16:26] <shubham> i barely downlaod anything frm ubuntu store ....it's very slw
[16:26] <slipttees> TJ-: alkisg zomaar hotaronohanako Thanks for Help.
[16:27] <alkisg> np
[16:27] <slipttees> alkisg: hd sentinel health 9%
[16:27] <slipttees> replace hard drive there
[16:27] <slipttees> buy a new tomorrow kkkkk
[16:27] <rek> hi baby  hi everyone... why do i find terminal applications closed after i log off my teamviewer session and i come back?
[16:27] <rek> i use xscreensaver-command --lock too
[16:28] <strive> nplus: When you enable a service, it needs to be placed in a target.
[16:28] <shubham> help me
[16:30] <pnwise> does anyone knows when you log with ssh where the remote server name is taken from? it doesn't seems to be /etc/hostname
[16:30] <strive> nplus: What's your /etc/systemd/system/mylittle.service look like?
[16:30] <nplus> strive: I have "WantedBy=multi-user.target" in my service
[16:30] <shubham> should i wait for relpy or quit it
[16:31] <whitebeast> I cannot login to my user account on 16.04 is this the kernel issue or is it something else.. Would someone mind helping me.. As i have the mental capcity of a 5 year old for these kinds of things
[16:31] <nplus> strive: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26372586/
[16:31] <redandblack> pnwise: .ssh/config
[16:31] <strive> pnwise: Depends on the distro.
[16:33] <pnwise> redandblack: that is client config I believe and I am looking to change that on the server if possible
[16:34] <pnwise> strive: can you give me one example to start from somewhere?
[16:36] <multifractal> I have almost filled up my hard drive, and I'm trying to find stuff to delete. I know of one particularly big folder, but I'm not sure where most of the other data is concentrated. Nautilus allows sorting by folder "size", but this actually means number of files/folders inside, rather than number of bytes. How can I view e.g. my home folder sorted by file size?
[16:37] <strive> pnwise: What distro are you logging into?
[16:38] <rud0lf> multifractal: you can try "du -sh *" in terminal
[16:38] <rud0lf> but it takes a long time if you have a lot of files
[16:38] <alkisg> This avahi file, /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh contains this call, which takes 10 secs and times out: host -t soa local.
[16:38] <alkisg> Question, does it work quickly for anyone, or should I file a bug report against avahi for delaying the boot process, and to include a -W 1 option there to wait only 1 sec?
[16:38]  * Sven_vB chose xinetd.
[16:39] <multifractal> rod0lf: thanks it's a start byut it's not sorted.
[16:39] <strive> multifractal: There's an app called "ncdu".
[16:39] <strive> multifractal: It's got a GUI-like terminal interface.
[16:40] <pnwise> strive, different - we have a lot of clients and AWS uses their inner IPs as names, and every provider does what he likes. I am thinking it is the hostname at the end. But it sounds to me you have no clue and just answering questions with questions
[16:40] <multifractal> strive: that's perfect thanks
[16:41] <strive> pnwise: Ubuntu = /etc/hostname :: Gentoo = /etc/conf.d/hostname
[16:41] <pnwise> Actually it is the hostname at least for ubuntu, it just removes everything after a dot
[16:41] <strive> pnwise: There are differences.
[16:42] <pnwise> Yeah so it is the hostname. Just different distros use different locations
[16:42] <pnwise> but mostly /etc/hostname
[16:42] <strive> multifractal: Sure :)
[16:43] <strive> nplus: Try adding "Alias=mylittle.service"
[16:43] <LuMint> just executed the script https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker . according to the script my system is vulnerable to 5754
[16:44] <LuMint> whereas it is supposed to be fixed in my kernel https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/trusty/main/security/linux
[16:44] <LuMint> so is it fixed or is it not?
[16:44] <LuMint> the output http://termbin.com/wy0w
[16:45] <LuMint> can someone explain it to me?
[16:46] <leftyfb> LuMint: you might be better off asking in #ubuntu-security
[16:46] <gordonjcp> LuMint: are you running virtual machines, on a server directly connected to the Internet on that machine?
[16:49] <whitebeast> I cannot login to my user account on 16.04 is this the kernel issue or is it something else.. Would someone mind helping me.. As i have the mental capcity of a 5 year old for these kinds of things
[16:49] <leftyfb> whitebeast: you've been on this for days ..... what about just reinstalling from scratch?
[16:50] <leftyfb> whitebeast: also, try creating a new user from the terminal and logging in with that user: sudo adduser testuser
[16:51] <VulcanRidr> Quick question. I have noticed in the recent past that kernel upgrades do not seem to be writing a /run/reboot-required. Is this an intentional thing? Is there a new method of knowing the system needs a reboot? I'm working mostly on 14.04 boxes.
[16:51] <asdfgh> join #golang
[16:52] <strive> VulcanRidr: I thought it was /var/run/reboot-required ?
[16:52] <leftyfb> whitebeast: please do not pm me
[16:53] <whitebeast> Sorry
[16:53] <ash_work> is it going to matter to me if a vendor folder mounted in a container has gid 0 but uid 1000 ?
[16:53] <VulcanRidr> Hey leftyfb! Long time no see. How's married life?
[16:54] <egelor> hi there.
[16:54] <VulcanRidr> strive: I thought they were symlinked.
[16:54]  * strive shrugs
[16:54] <brainwash> /var/run -> /run
[16:54] <brainwash> yes
[16:54] <egelor> my ibus-daemon
[16:54] <strive> doh.
[16:54] <strive> :)
[16:55] <brainwash> VulcanRidr: someone in #ubuntu-kernel may know
[16:55] <VulcanRidr> thanks brainwash
[16:55] <LuMint> gordonjcp: no
[16:55] <strive> Hm, it isn't symlinked for me.
[16:56] <gordonjcp> LuMint: then you don't need to worry about it
[16:56] <ash_work> I started the container with uid $UID, and I just realize that the gid is 0 on, well everything. I don't know that that is necessarily a bad thing though... should that really affect anything?
[16:56] <egelor> error ibus could not bw start in 5 sec
[16:57] <gordonjcp> LuMint: if some computer criminal wants to get some malware onto your computer they'll crack it open using more traditional methods
[16:57] <brainwash> egelor: it cannot start, because it is already running?
[16:57] <wabbe> Hi, anybody here who is familiar with the beakerbrowser?
[16:58] <gordonjcp> LuMint: and if the government wants access to your computer they'll just ask you for the password, possibly with the aid of a very clean tiled room and some rubber hoses
[16:58] <strive> .
[16:58] <egelor> brainwash: No fist window pops up and say ibus not running
[16:58] <brainwash> wabbe: you want #beakerbrowser
[16:59] <wabbe> so I will try
[16:59] <brainwash> egelor: fist window?
[16:59] <brainwash> egelor: what program is that?
[17:00] <egelor> brainwash: i was trying to change from us to el
[17:01] <egelor> brainwash: ok i fix it i run in from terminal ibus-daemon
[17:02] <egelor> Keyboard Input Methods (IBus Daemon) is not running. Do you wish to start it?
[17:03] <egelor> egelor after i press yes
[17:03] <egelor> Bus daemon could not be started in 5 seconds
[17:04] <tomreyn> LuMint: does "cat /proc/version" say that you're running version 3.13.0-139.188 then?
[17:05] <tomreyn> LuMint: ignore this question, i noticed you are asking in -hardened now
[17:12] <riqdiiz> hi all my system is Acer 4gb ram but won't let in Fedora20 .says installation media check failed. what could be the problem?
[17:12] <beck> hello
[17:12] <beck> please help
[17:12] <electricmilk> beck, just ask the question
[17:12] <beck> I upgraded ubuntu
[17:12] <beck> and now my virtualbox freezes whenever I start a virtualmachine
[17:12] <beck> I reinstalled the drivers
[17:12] <beck> in order to fit the kernel
[17:13] <beck> since before all this freezing thing, it told me that virtualbox-dkms was not available
[17:13] <beck> so  I needed to modprobe vboxdrv
[17:13] <beck> so I apt-get remove virtualbox-dkms
[17:13] <beck> and then modprobe vboxdrv
[17:13] <beck> without problems, but when opening virtualbox and initiating the virtualmachine
[17:13] <beck> it freezes immediatly
[17:13] <riqdiiz> and touchpad is dead on same machine while running slitaz.
[17:14] <electricmilk> beck, I would try just totally removing virtualbox and reintalling...but I'm not expert
[17:14] <electricmilk> beck,  sudo apt-get remove virtualbox && sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[17:15] <beck> I am afraid of losing my virtual machines when removing virtualbox]
[17:15] <nplus> strive: no dice on the alias
[17:16] <akik> beck: the virtual machines live in their own directory. they are not affected by the package removals
[17:16] <beck> isnt there like an
[17:17] <beck> apt-get repair command
[17:17] <beck> o reinstall
[17:17] <beck> just to be sure
[17:17] <beck> that nothing will be deleted ?
[17:17] <beck> the conf files with the entries of the virtual machines
[17:17] <akik> beck: the config file is a .vbox file in the same directory as the virtual hd image
[17:17] <nplus> Couple thoughts that jump to mind - does my .service file need particular permissions? does it matter if the file exists in /etc/systemd/system/myservice.service ? I see most items in there are links to other locations
[17:18] <strive> nplus: Did you run systemctl daemon-reload afterwards?
[17:18] <nplus> yeah
[17:18] <strive> nplus: They should all be 777 I believe.
[17:20] <nplus> does it not being listed by $service --status-all indicate something is wrong/missing or is it superficial?
[17:20] <strive> nplus: The systemd default configs are located in /usr/lib/systemd/system (which some of those services are linked to), but you don't want to edit those files.
[17:22] <nplus> ok
[17:22] <strive> nplus: So it doesn't show up with: systemctl --type=service
[17:22] <strive> ?
[17:22] <skinux> I'm getting permission denied trying to access a directory, but permissions look fine.
[17:23] <strive> skinux: Let us see what those permissions look like :)
[17:23] <nplus> strive: yes it shows up there and starts on boot. it's just $service --status-all that doesn't list it
[17:24] <strive> $service --status-all doesn't work for me.
[17:24] <strive> Maybe someone else could explain that.
[17:25] <strive> I wonder if systemctl even has that option.
[17:25] <skinux> drw-r--r-- 12 skinux www-data   4096 Jan 12 08:09 lib
[17:25] <nplus> My rough understanding is $service is pre-systemd, but is still able to manage systemd services - guessing it's for backward compatibility sake
[17:26] <brainwash> strive: without the $
[17:27] <strive> Ah, there we go, lol
[17:27] <brainwash> nplus: use systemctl/journalctl
[17:28] <brainwash> nplus: or create a sysvinit script (probably not something you want to do)
[17:29] <strive> nplus: systemctl list-unit-files
[17:29] <strive> nplus: systemctl list-unit-files | grep mylittle.service (i think)
[17:29] <Guest80341> hey
[17:29] <xXLabRatXx> Hello
[17:29] <electricmilk> Guest80341, hi
[17:30] <Guest80341> hello electricmilk and xXLabRatXx
[17:30] <Guest80341> im out
[17:30] <electricmilk> lol
[17:30] <xXLabRatXx> umm ok?
[17:31] <nplus> brainwash, strive: Ok thanks. I guess it's just superficial then :) gotta get out of the habbit of using the $service command
[17:31] <strive> nplus: haha, did it list for you now?
[17:31] <skinux> Why am I not allowed with this permission: drw-r--r-- 12 skinux www-data   4096 Jan 12 08:09 lib
[17:32] <strive> What's the absolute path?
[17:32] <nplus> strive: systemctl has been showing the correct results the whole time
[17:32] <strive> nplus: Doh! lol. Glad it works out :)
[17:32] <skinux> strive: was that to me?
[17:34] <akik> skinux: directories need the x bit
[17:34] <skinux> Oh.
[17:34] <skinux> 644 right?
[17:34] <akik> skinux: 755
[17:35] <skinux> Oh, yeah.
[17:35] <fujoor__> Hey people, ive been out of the loop for a good while. Is there any alternative method to install ubuntu, except dualboot and inside a VM? Like wubi? I heard there was something coming like wubi.
[17:41] <leftyfb> fujoor__: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/ubuntu/9nblggh4msv6
[17:42] <leftyfb> fujoor__: but it's not the desktop OS. Just the server(cloud image)
[17:49] <fujoor__> leftyfb: many thanks, so no real sollution like wubi yet i suppose
[17:50] <leftyfb> fujoor__: no. dual boot or run it in a vm. Why do you need the desktop OS in a windows on your windows desktop anyway?
[17:51] <alkisg> fujoor__: running in a file inside an ntfs volume, instead of a dedicated partition, just to make the installation 5 mins easier... it's not worth it, that's why wubi stopped being developed
[17:52] <qwip> My current Ubuntu version is 16.04.3 LTS, how can I upgrade to Ubuntu 17.10?
[17:52] <akik> wasn't the idea of wubi so that you could install it without need for any extra partitioning?
[17:52] <leftyfb> qwip: yes, though personally I would wait till April when 18.04 comes out. You'll get another 5 years of support out of it.
[17:52] <alkisg> qwip: you would upgrade to 16.10 (unsupported), 17.04 (unsupported), and finally reach 17.10
[17:53] <alkisg> qwip: consider reinstalling or waiting for 18.04 or maybe even upgrading to 18.04 even if alpha...
[17:53] <qwip> alkisg: so, I will need to upgrade 3  times?
[17:53] <alkisg> qwip: yup
[17:53] <qwip> alkisg: how to do that? I am new to linux
[17:54] <beck> did not work my virtualbox
[17:54] <beck> y removed everything
[17:54] <beck> and reinstalled
[17:54] <beck> and it is still crashing
[17:54] <alkisg> qwip: it's kind of hard because the versions between are unsupported. Are you sure you don't prefer to reinstall but keep /home?
[17:54] <alkisg> qwip: also, why not just wait for 18.04?
[17:54] <beck> 5.0.40-dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[17:54] <leftyfb> qwip: I would wait till April when 18.04 comes out.
[17:55] <qwip> alkisg: I want to upgrade to 17.10 so I can get KDE Plasma 5.11
[17:56] <alkisg> qwip: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma-desktop
[17:56] <alkisg> 5.11 will come in 18.04
[17:57] <alkisg> 17.10 has 5.10.5
[17:57] <qwip> Right now I am on 5.8
[17:57] <alkisg> So if you wait till April and THEN upgrade, you'll get plasma 5.11
[17:58] <alkisg> 16.04 has 5.5.5
[17:58] <alkisg> Not 5.8
[17:58] <qwip> alkisg: okay. but will there be any problem in directly upgrdaing to 18.04 from 16.04?
[17:58] <qwip> without reinstalling?
[17:58] <slipttees> alkisg: buy ssd 240 sandisk ;-)
[17:58] <alkisg> qwip: no, that will be the most supported upgrade, of course without reinstalling
[17:58] <alkisg> qwip: going from lts to lts is the most supported scenario
[17:59] <qwip> alkisg: ahh, okay. i got it now. its a lte to lte thing
[17:59] <alkisg> !lts
[17:59] <qwip> lts*
[17:59] <slipttees> alkisg: i test in my workstation 18.04 lts :-)
[18:02] <qwip> I am having some problem with fonts on my kde plasma 5.8.8. Have tried to solve it but failed badly. Fonts in kde apps are looking good (except title bar of window) and font in gtk apps (like firefox) are looking really bad.
[18:03] <acheronuk> alkisg: 17.10 has 5.11 available in our backports PPA
[18:03] <acheronuk> 18.04 will ship with 5.12
[18:03] <alkisg> acheronuk: it would be best to offer backports for lts versions :)
[18:04] <alkisg> Nice to hear though
[18:04] <acheronuk> alkisg: no possible due to the very big Qt version upgrade required over 16.04 LTS stock versions
[18:04] <akik> acheronuk: are there some reasons why newer kde versions are not available for 16.04 ?
[18:05] <akik> ah ok :)
[18:05] <alkisg> acheronuk: ah, aren't qt versions co-installable like e.g. python or other libs?
[18:05] <alkisg> :(
[18:05] <acheronuk> alkisg: no
[18:05] <ubuntu_addict> hi
[18:05] <alkisg> Solving that part could help a lot then
[18:05] <ubuntu_addict> how r u guys ? i have a question but i'm not sure if someone can help me there
[18:06] <alkisg> !ask
[18:06] <strive> ubuntu_addict: Just ask.
[18:06] <qwip> I am having some problem with fonts on my kde plasma 5.8.8. Have tried to solve it but failed badly. Fonts in kde apps are looking good (except title bar of window) and font in gtk apps (like firefox) are looking really bad.  Please help!
[18:06] <akik> qwip: i have a guide on adjusting the fonts
[18:06] <qwip> akik: please share :)
[18:07] <akik> qwip: https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/change-font-rendering-settings-kdefirefox/
[18:07] <ubuntu_addict> i want to know if that is possible to me to use the camera of this laptop (onto ip camera or something else) on my desktop PC
[18:08] <alkisg> ubuntu_addict: do you mean "stream from a laptop camera to a desktop pc"? Sure, you can stream a camera anywhere on LAN or the internet
[18:08] <ubuntu_addict> alkisg how should i do ?
[18:08] <alkisg> ubuntu_addict: oh I'm sure there are thousands of tutorials for "stream camera ubuntu"
[18:09] <ubuntu_addict> i wrote it on few search engine but still get some tutorial with usb camera. it will work anyway ? dont want to launch myself into something too long. alkisg, thx btw.
[18:10] <qwip> akik: after setting that conf file. what settings should i have in fonts settings?
[18:10] <lordcirth_work> ubuntu_addict, if the camera is showing up, whether it's USB or not shouldn't matter
[18:10] <alkisg> ubuntu_addict: it doesn't matter where the camera is connected. Here's one simple google result: https://gist.github.com/endolith/2052778
[18:10] <akik> qwip: in kde system settings?
[18:10] <ubuntu_addict> ok, thanks for guys, c u :)
[18:10] <ubuntu_addict> for the info*
[18:10] <qwip> akik: yeah
[18:11] <akik> qwip: i haven't changed anything there
[18:11] <akik> qwip: but my fonts look good on a full hd display
[18:11] <qwip> akik: can you please share what are present setting there?
[18:13] <akik> qwip: https://i.imgur.com/02astp4.png
[18:13] <akik> qwip: i use ubuntu mono 11 in konsole
[18:13] <BluesKaj> qwip, you have both gnome and kde/plasma installed , correct?
[18:14] <qwip> BluesKaj: yeah
[18:14] <qwip> akik: and what is the font in GNOME Application Style (GTK) - System Settings?
[18:15] <akik> qwip: noto sans 10
[18:16] <qwip> akik: okay. thanks. can you do me one more favor? Please send a screenshot of google hompage opened in firefox, so i can compare that with mine
[18:16] <akik> qwip: ok :)
[18:17] <qwip> akik: thanks :)
[18:18] <akik> qwip: https://i.imgur.com/T6DHwNA.png
[18:19] <akik> qwip: i might've changed some font rendering settings in firefox too
[18:20] <qwip> akik: can you share that?
[18:20] <fujoor__> leftyfb: ah just to play around, i miss playing around in linux, testing new apps and such
[18:20] <qwip> akik: did you changed anything in about:config? or just in font?
[18:20] <leftyfb> fujoor__: I would suggest dual booting or a VM
[18:21] <akik> qwip: the thing is i'm not sure which settings i changed
[18:21] <akik> qwip: in about:config
[18:21] <akik> qwip: did you test that fonts.conf already?
[18:22] <qwip> akik: aww... was it in something like font.name. x-western?
[18:22] <qwip> akik: yeah
[18:22] <qwip> akik: no good
[18:23] <qwip> akik: what font do you have set in about:preferences#fonts?
[18:24] <fujoor__> leftyfb: maybe VM is a the best sollution
[18:24] <akik> qwip: they seem to be the default (dejavu serif and dejavu sans)
[18:25] <akik> qwip: but i remember having a weird time at some point when the fonts looked ugly as ...
[18:26] <qwip> akik: I am feeling like shi*t . Have tried everything i found. even reinstalled everything. but still ...
[18:26] <akik> qwip: try logging out and back in
[18:26] <qwip> akik: okay.
[18:29] <qwip> akik: nothing changed
[18:29] <qwip> akik: also spotify is looking so ugly
[18:30] <akik> qwip: you ran that fc-cache command?
[18:30] <qwip> yeah, akik
[18:30] <qwip> did everything mentioned there. akik
[18:31] <BluesKaj> qwip, why not paste an example /screenshot of what you think is ugly
[18:32] <akik> qwip: oh yea one thing also, i've updated kde to 5.8.8
[18:33] <qwip> BluesKaj: okay
[18:33] <BluesKaj> plasma version is up to 5.11 on 17.10
[18:34] <qwip> akik: my version is also 5.8.8
[18:35] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: https://imgur.com/a/aB8EO
[18:36] <mauz555> clear
[18:37] <akik> qwip: i don't see any problems(?)
[18:37] <qwip> akik: wow. even in spotify app?
[18:38] <akik> qwip: maybe my eye sight is gone
[18:38]  * BluesKaj shrugs , looks ok to me
[18:39]  * qwip in shook.
[18:39] <qwip> shock*
[18:39] <qwip> akik: are you joking or being serious?
[18:39] <V7> Hey all :)
[18:40] <V7> How to get vncviewer ?
[18:40] <akik> qwip: really, looks ok to me
[18:40] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: have you tried zooming in?
[18:40] <V7> vnc4server's installed, but there's no vncviewer
[18:40] <kornbluth> V7: which vncviewer do you want?
[18:40] <V7> The default one
[18:41] <qwip> So, that means my eyes are addicted to windows fonts quality and got shocked after seeing linux fonts
[18:41] <akik> qwip: it's been a LOT worse sometimes
[18:41] <qwip> That ^ should be the case then
[18:41] <BluesKaj> yup.I'm viewing on an HDTV/Monitor and your fonts look to me
[18:41] <leftyfb> look fine to me as well
[18:41] <BluesKaj> look ok
[18:41] <leftyfb> i've seen a lot worse
[18:41] <V7> freesys
[18:42] <kornbluth> Is anyone here using urxvt?
[18:42] <leftyfb> kornbluth: that isn't your question
[18:42] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: don't you guys think that fonts are very thin?
[18:42] <leftyfb> V7: I think remmina is installed by default. You can use that
[18:43] <kornbluth> I'm having some issues with copying from urxvt...haven't faced this before outside of Ubuntu
[18:43] <Funeral> I'm goingto format my moms computer, and need an advice to choose distro. I use ubuntu myself, but her computer is very old and I'm looking for a more lightweight distro
[18:43] <Funeral> Is lubuntu the best choice?
[18:43] <kornbluth> I don't have issues copying and pasting between terminals, but copying from terminal results in me neing unable to paste anywhere else
[18:43] <kornbluth> Funeral: lubuntu is good
[18:44] <V7> Thank you btw :)
[18:44] <Funeral> kornbluth: thanks :)
[18:45] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: what about this? https://imgur.com/a/f1rLP
[18:46] <akik> qwip: looks fine, except the big W
[18:46] <qwip> yeah, that what I what to point out. akik
[18:46] <qwip> akik: BluesKaj: don't you guys think that fonts are very thin? in previous scrrenshot
[18:46] <akik> qwip: but that's probably on the content side of things
[18:47] <BluesKaj> qwip, nope
[18:47] <qwip> BluesKaj: okayyyy...!
[18:48] <qwip> I should go to some windows deadiction centre!
[18:48] <qwip> or it is my OCD. playing with me. loll
[18:48] <BluesKaj> qwip, use the bold style if you think that's thin
[18:48] <qwip> BluesKaj: that messes up other things.
[18:50] <V7> is it possible to connect to vnc if this: https://i.imgur.com/sDmQ8LY.png ?
[18:50] <V7> Btw nmap says: VNC (protocol 3.8)
[18:51] <qwip> akik, BluesKaj, Thanks for helping me. and also realizing me that my fonts are okay. :)
[18:53] <BluesKaj> qwip, what counts is readability
[18:53] <qwip> BluesKaj: yeah. I was having poor readability on some websites. thats why i was worried
[18:54] <qwip> BluesKaj: btw, is it is possible to reorder system tray icons?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> qwip, only by increasing or decreasing the panel height, afaik
[18:58] <sabolc> hi
[18:59] <jwash> hi everyone, i'm scanning an old manual with very thin pages and getting bleed through https://imgur.com/a/rX8h7 . Is there a way to have GIMP remove all grey from an image which is less than a certain threshold?
[19:01] <leftyfb> jwash: you want #gimp
[19:01] <jwash> yep
[19:02] <leftyfb> jwash: as in, your support question is related to gimp and not Ubuntu. You'd have the same question if you were running gimp on Fedora or Windows
[19:02] <gordonjcp> jwash: Colours->Threshold
[19:02] <akik> jwash: i use gimp's colors/curves to remove those
[19:02] <jwash> nm, i'm on ubuntu
[19:02] <jwash> cool
[19:02] <leftyfb> jwash: also, why not scan using the flat bed and put a piece of paper behind the page your scanning?
[19:02] <jwash> 1000 pages makes that impractical
[19:02] <jwash> 1000 sheets
[19:03] <BluesKaj> tape it
[19:03] <gordonjcp> jwash: now what you could do, is just scan with the bleed and use ImageMagick to threshold it out
[19:04] <jwash> threshold is it
[19:04] <jwash> typ
[19:04] <jwash> ty
[19:06] <BluesKaj> no, I mean tape aback sheet to scanner lid with scotch tape
[19:07] <jwash> that's a good point too :) let me try that
[19:07] <gordonjcp> jwash: yeah just something like "for i in *.png; do convert $i -threshold 50% output/$i; done
[19:07] <gordonjcp> and as if by magic you get 1000 thresholded images
[19:08] <jwash> the threshold change is losing small detail in the pics
[19:08] <jwash> acceptable, but it would be best to scan without the bleed
[19:08] <jwash> i'm early in the project
[19:10] <gordonjcp> jwash: I guess the teachable point is, there's always more than one way to do it
[19:10] <gordonjcp> jwash: and some of those ways are going to be pretty off-the-wall
[19:11] <jwash> exactly8
[19:11] <jwash> paper won't work here
[19:11] <jwash> going to have to live with bleed i think, thresholding is removing significant detail too
[19:12] <jwash> thanks for the time
[19:13] <adrianmc> I'm new programming, what is the best advice you can give me to learn? to read a lot?
[19:14] <tpw_rules> hey. i can't get fail2ban to work. i've enabled sshd, started it, and tried to log in with a bad username nad password but it's not blocking anything. logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26373536/
[19:14] <tpw_rules> adrianmc: pick a project you want to do and do it
[19:14] <jimb_> I suggest you find a project or a few that you are really interested in and use your new and growing programming skills to solve that project
[19:14] <kornbluth> adrainmc: read (books, articles, posts, open source code on github) , practice, do challenges, contribute to open source projects, work on your own projects etc.
[19:16] <adrianmc> Thanks a lot for your advices, i will follow them
[19:19] <qwip> akik: Right now, I have Open Sans font set in Font Settings but when I do `fc-maych sans` it shows DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
[19:19] <qwip> akik: why is that so? I don't have that DejaVuSans set anywhere
[19:20] <akik> qwip: no idea. i don't know what that does
[19:20] <qwip> BluesKaj: ? ^^
[19:22] <adrianmc> what is a good language to learn? lazarus (pascal) is worth to learn? or it is old, is dead? or to learn some new languages like python or java
[19:23] <jimb_> adrianmc: I suggest Python and Java/JS/Node
[19:23] <tatertots> learn what brings you pleasure or $ in your area/market
[19:23] <kornbluth> adrainmc: what are you trying to do?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> qwip, i don't muck about with config files unless absolutely necessary, and my fonts are fine so I don't
[19:23] <tatertots> you can sell water in the desert but no worth so much on a island surrounded by ocean waters
[19:24] <qwip> Anyone else? > Right now, I have Open Sans font set in Font Settings but when I do `fc-maych sans` it shows DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
[19:24] <adrianmc> for server side python i think is good idea, but for deskptop side? i was reading a little about pascal and i liked, but it is old, right? is worth to learn it?
[19:24] <adrianmc> and c++ i think is hard to learn , right?
[19:24] <kornbluth> adrainmc: What are you aiming to do first?
[19:24] <jimb_> I have used Python for a lot of desktop side GUI applications
[19:25] <adrianmc> can i also program desktop applications with python?
[19:26] <jimb_> adrianmc: Yes, and it can be graphical... and work in Linux/Mac/Windows
[19:26] <adrianmc> im learning a lot with you guys here, its my first time, thanks a lot
[19:26] <jimb_> There are also bundler/packagers that can take your source and compile it into a single EXE
[19:27] <kornbluth> adrianmc: also keep in mind the platform you're developing for
[19:27] <brainwash> and keep in mind that this is not a channel for general chatter
[19:28] <jimb_> adrianmc: #ubuntu-discuss or #linux might be good, or a channel for a specific language
[19:28] <adrianmc> thanks a lot
[19:28] <kornbluth> adrianmc: ##programming is fine too
[19:29] <Sailor7009_> brainwash: just help him to programming room
[19:31] <Guest95508>  /part
[19:37] <adman120> anyone know a good way to export a unionfs-fuse folder or an alternative to that?
[19:50]  * dsaravanan Is it possible to install a window manager alone without the desktop environment in Ubuntu?
[19:51] <brainwash> dsaravanan: should be possible
[19:53] <adman120> anyone know a good way to export a unionfs-fuse folder or an alternative to that?
[19:54]  * dsaravanan brainwash: I am intend to keep my installation minimum. What are the shell programs to view pdf files, play videos?
[19:54] <nacc> dsaravanan: you are misusing /me, I think.
[19:54] <brainwash> dsaravanan: whatever you want to use
[19:54] <nacc> !tab | dsaravanan
[19:54] <nacc> dsaravanan: uh, well, shell viewing of pdfs seems ... not that useful
[19:54] <nacc> dsaravanan: and for video seems nonsensical
[19:55] <brainwash> dsaravanan: like mupdf for pdf, mpv for video
[19:55] <brainwash> nacc: I assume that dsaravanan means cli programs
[19:56] <brainwash> which may open a minimal gui
[19:57] <adman120> anyone?
[19:57] <brainwash> adman120: I would have to google that one. did you search the web yet?
[19:57] <adman120> yea, and im stuck
[19:57] <adman120> i think the issue is on the export front
[19:58] <skinux> WHy is this a syntax error? Mutex file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR}
[19:59] <dsaravanan> brainwash: thank you and yes I mean cli programs.
[20:00] <dsaravanan> nacc: sorry for /me, I am new to irc.
[20:00] <kenrin> Why can't you export via NFSv4 ?
[20:00] <adman120> kenrin, me?
[20:00] <kenrin> Yes
[20:00] <brainwash> dsaravanan: have a look here https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/64276p/could_we_do_a_list_of_light_software/
[20:00] <adman120> it wont export the fused folder
[20:01] <kenrin> Did you use the fsid ?
[20:01] <adman120> yes
[20:01] <adman120> the other thing is im doing this from my node to my lxcs
[20:02] <nacc> skinux: syntax error in ...
[20:03] <skinux> It's in apache2.conf, #httpd says that directive doesn't ship by ASF
[20:04] <nacc> skinux: how are you running apache? are you starting it manually?
[20:04] <adman120> kenrin, any ideas?
[20:06] <kenrin> adman120: You sure you got a kernel that supports fuse module nfs mounting then?  Shouldn't have any issues
[20:06] <adman120> yea
[20:08] <skinux> APache is a service
[20:08] <nacc> skinux: yes, I know. are you starting with `sudo systemctl apache2 start/restart` or `/usr/bin/apache2` ?
[20:09] <skinux> sudo service apache2 start
[20:09] <adman120> kenrin, basicly im mounting plexdrive then fusing that with another folder and trying to share it
[20:10] <nacc> skinux: is the var defined in /etc/apache2/envvars ?
[20:10] <kenrin> And you got a userspace nfs server ?
[20:10] <kenrin> What is this other folder
[20:10] <adman120> im just using mountpoints because im doing it on a node. but the issue is it shows up fine on the node but when i go to the lxcs it doesnt show up
[20:11] <adman120> and i know that its working because there are other folders that do show up
[20:11] <nacc> vi
[20:11] <nacc> bah, sorry
[20:11] <auctus> when i try to open the applications menu or whatever the start menu thing is called, the graphics glitch out and it reloads -- has been happening since i rebooted my laptop; what log should i check to find out wahts going on?
[20:11] <auctus> 16.04
[20:16] <auctus> found it
[20:16] <auctus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/992571/gui-unity-crashing-in-16-04-lts-after-updates-2018-01-04-compiz-segfaults
[20:16] <auctus> its a core2duo laptop with old intel graphics
[20:16] <adman120> :)
[20:17] <grimmjow> Hello
[20:17] <skinux> Yes, it is defined in envvars
[20:18] <grimmjow> Can someone help me ? I am having trouble installing cuckoo sandbox
[20:18] <kenrin> Nice auctus,  I got a similar laptop I have not booted in a while.  I'll have to install that PPA from the bug report
[20:19] <adman120> kenrin, the other folder is just a normal folder
[20:19] <grimmjow> cand someone help?
[20:21] <ioria> auctus, why don't you go with lubuntu-desktop or budgie until this thing will be fixed ?
[20:21] <nacc> grimmjow: is it an ubuntu package?
[20:22] <mauz555> What are alternative to thinkpad to run a powerful linux distro ?
[20:23] <nacc> mauz555: not really ontopic for this channel
[20:23] <grimmjow> its a sandbox
[20:23] <grimmjow> used for malware analysis
[20:23] <auctus> ioria: installing now for convenience sake; lxde is decent
[20:23] <ioria> auctus, good
[20:24] <nacc> grimmjow: not exactly an answer to my question.
[20:24] <grimmjow> sorry i`m kind of a beginner on ubuntu
[20:29] <adman120> anyone know a solution?
[20:30] <energizer> `sudo service uwsgi status` -> " * which one? "
[20:31] <energizer> what does that mean
[20:31] <kenrin> Which user you want to sudo with
[20:31] <kenrin> ?
[20:32] <adman120> could the issue be plexdrive?
[20:32] <energizer> kenrin: root
[20:32] <kenrin> No idea about plexdrive.  That is just fuse and should work with the allow_other option
[20:32] <energizer> even sudo su ; service uwsgi status , says the same thing
[20:33] <adman120> ik
[20:33] <adman120> and im not even sure how to debug it
[20:33] <nacc> energizer: sudo su is not recommended/necessary; sudo -s -H is preferred (or other similar options)
[20:33] <kenrin> You could try samba since that is userspace export
[20:33] <adman120> what do you mean by userspace export?
[20:34] <energizer> nacc: "sudo -s -H service uwsgi status" -> "* which one? "
[20:34] <akik> adman120: not directly related to your problem but i had to defined my lxc as privileged for a nfs mount to work in there
[20:34] <kenrin> nfs export is implemeneted in the kernel usually.  If you don't have the right modules enabled some stuff won't work,  like fuse
[20:35] <kenrin> samba is all userspace
[20:35] <auctus> how do i log out from a terminal window; if i try to use the menu... unity crashes, and then restarts, so i cant log out lol i want to switch to ldxe for now but i only know ho wto do that from the logged out menu
[20:35] <nacc> energizer: no; sudo -s -H, then in that terminal run the service command
[20:35] <energizer> nacc: same thing
[20:35] <adman120> akik, you can just use mountpoints
[20:35] <tatertots> auctus: are you able to type and use the terminal in question right now? yes or no
[20:36] <adman120> nfs works for me, its this the contents of this folder that dont
[20:36] <ioria> auctus, gnome-session-quit --no-prompt
[20:36] <auctus> tatertots: yes i just cant use the left or top menu
[20:36] <auctus> can use terminal / firefox / file manager
[20:36] <tatertots> auctus: type the word "exit" then press ENTER...tell me what occurs
[20:36] <nacc> energizer: seems like something with uwsgi
[20:36] <tatertots> auctus: what happened after pressing enter?
[20:37] <adman120> its now telling me im missing lsb tags
[20:37] <adman120> what are those
[20:39] <TJ-> adman120: "LSB" == Linux Standard Base, a specification for the file system layout and other aspects of structure
[20:39] <nacc> in this case, it probalby is tallking about the init scripts missing the runlevel tags
[20:39] <adman120> what are runlevel tags?
[20:39] <nacc> (just a blind guess, adman120 always good to give exact output, using a pastebinn)
[20:39] <adman120> ok
[20:40] <auctus> i did gnome-session-exit and it worked now im in lxde, neat, thanks
[20:40] <tatertots> adman120: just wait until you see the next handful of errors you are going to get next
[20:40] <adman120> https://pastebin.com/JUFi3w5Y
[20:45] <adman120> nacc, posted
[20:46] <nacc> adman120: those are warnings, not errors
[20:46] <adman120> oh
[20:47] <nacc> adman120: they literally say 'warning'.
[20:47] <adman120> shit
[20:47] <adman120> ive given up on nfs
[20:50] <adman120> with samba im getting tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[21:00] <skinux> nacc: THe variable is defined in envvars
[21:01] <adman120> fuck me i just need a way of shareing the file that keeps the services running on the host active
[21:02] <akik> !language
[21:02] <adman120> sorry
[21:02] <adman120> been stuck on this for about a week
[21:05] <komakkk> hello folks
[21:05] <komakkk> anyone can help me with apt issue?
[21:06] <nacc> !ask komakkk
[21:06] <tomreyn> komakkk: not unless you'll describe it.
[21:06] <nacc> !ask | komakkk
[21:06] <nacc> skinux: sorry, i've lost context. is this a fresh intall?
[21:06] <komakkk> well after i tried to install mosquitto.. now everytime i do apt-get install... or update... i have this issue:
[21:06] <komakkk> https://pastebin.com/g4R0jUK4
[21:07] <komakkk> i am just stuck with this
[21:07] <nacc> komakkk: is that an ubuntu package? what version of ubuntu?
[21:07] <komakkk> it is actually on raspbian jessie
[21:07] <komakkk> but i guess it's the same
[21:08] <nacc> ...
[21:08] <nacc> komakkk: you should talk to debian
[21:08] <komakkk> that's true
[21:08] <nacc> komakkk: this channel is for ubuntu only
[21:08] <brainwash> better join th raspbian channel
[21:08] <skinux> nacc: Basically.
[21:08] <komakkk> ok but it seems like a generical linux issue
[21:08] <skinux> nacc: It seemed to have re-installed by a repair
[21:08] <nacc> skinux: ?
[21:08] <nacc> skinux: so it's working?
[21:09] <nacc> komakkk: then you'd ask that in #linux.
[21:09] <skinux> Well, I can get the it works page, but scripting isn't working.
[21:09] <komakkk> in raspbian they cant help
[21:09] <komakkk> i cant talk in #Linux
[21:09] <nacc> komakkk: what scripting?
[21:09] <skinux> My website actually comes up, but it's other scripts that don't.
[21:09] <nacc> err, sorry
[21:09] <nacc> skinux: --^
[21:09] <skinux> PHP
[21:09] <nacc> skinux: you are being so general that it's really difficult to help
[21:10] <nacc> skinux: is PHP enabled?
[21:10] <skinux> Yes, it works for WordPress site
[21:10] <transhuman> who do I notify that the latest ubuntu 17.1 kernel has no headers
[21:10] <komakkk> nacc: what scripting?
[21:10] <nacc> komakkk: sorry, that was meant for skinux
[21:10] <transhuman> 4.13.0-26-generic
[21:11] <transhuman> NO headers
[21:11] <nacc> transhuman: uh, that only appears to be in the kernel ppa
[21:11] <transhuman> when I upgraded it borked my nvidia card because I missed that it didnt have the headers, had to rollback
[21:11] <nacc> transhuman: i don't see it released yet?
[21:12] <transhuman> oh you mean I have the ppa enabled, good to know I will have to fix
[21:12] <transhuman> its for the specter fix
[21:12] <nacc> transhuman: i guess so.
[21:12] <nacc> transhuman: the spectre fix(es)/mitigation will come via the normal security pocket
[21:12] <nacc> transhuman: you only need the kernel ppa if you're testing the fixes ahead of time, in which case you should know what you're doing.
[21:12] <akik> transhuman: is that the reason the nvidia module fails to build with 4.13.0-26 ?
[21:13] <transhuman> yes because it has no headers
[21:13] <transhuman> my bad for enabling it
[21:13] <transhuman> well that and there was a problem with systemctl
[21:13] <transhuman> usb problem
[21:14] <akik> i got 4.13.0-26 through normal updates on 16.04.3
[21:14] <alias_neo> anybody come across a delay on logging in on 17.10? It takes about 5-10 seconds for my wallpaper/desktop after entering my password
[21:14] <transhuman> but I think that was on my end
[21:14] <transhuman> alias_neo, my login is pretty slow too
[21:14] <transhuman> but my machine is rather old
[21:14] <pedrocr> is this latest intel-microcode update safe to use?
[21:15] <pedrocr> given the news of systems crashing with the newest intel microcode
[21:15] <alias_neo> transhuman: I'm running on brand new, top end hardware so I'm certain it's a bug/configuration issue
[21:15] <alias_neo> pedrocr: If i'm not mistak a fix was released today
[21:15] <transhuman> ok, thanks for letting me know
[21:15] <tomreyn> pedrocr: i'd hold back on installing it until there's a kernel which is actually patched to make use of it.
[21:16] <alias_neo> pedrocr: Scratch that, it was teh crashy kernel that was updated, intel have done nothing with the microcode yet
[21:16] <transhuman> for me I have my intel server shutoff until the fix, thank god the rest are AMD's
[21:16] <pedrocr> ok, thanks
[21:16] <pedrocr> I haven't even been able to use the 4.13 kernel because that broken virtualbox
[21:16] <pedrocr> it's been a rocky road but it's understandable given the mess these bugs are
[21:16] <alias_neo> pedrocr: I'm running virtualbox at work on 4.13, have been for some time
[21:17] <pedrocr> alias_neo: probably not virtualbox 5.0 on Ubuntu 16.04
[21:17] <pedrocr> alias_neo: that's fairly broken: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1736116
[21:17] <alias_neo> pedrocr: No, 5.1 on 16.04
[21:17] <pedrocr> right, from virtualbox.org directly I imagine?
[21:18] <alias_neo> pedrocr: Yes
[21:18] <pedrocr> I'd like to avoid using non-ubuntu packages but may just give up and do it
[21:18] <alias_neo> pedrocr: I understand.
[21:19] <pedrocr> it would be nice if xenial just got 5.1 or 5.2 pushed to it though
[21:20] <alias_neo> pedrocr: Yeah, the 17.10 desktop I'm on now has 5.1.30 so it's certainly there in the arty repo
[21:21] <zexter> soooo... could anyone help me where can I find firefly discussion?
[21:21] <skinux> nacc: Okay, PHP is working, it is at least one script that is getting WSOD. Maybe this isn't a Ubuntu question
[21:21] <pedrocr> alias_neo: yep, and bionic has 5.2
[21:21] <nacc> skinux: ok
[21:22] <nacc> !allis | zexter
[21:22] <nacc> !alis | zexter
[21:22] <adman120> how do i export a folder that contains a fuse mount
[21:24] <jnewt> any way to get my scansnap ix500 to work easily?  i just need to scan a document quickly here.  May just run to work and use my windows computer / scanner if it's going to be a research project to get it to work.
[21:25] <jnewt> have ubuntu 16.04 lts mate de
[21:25] <alkisg> jnewt: afaik it should work out of the box, just plug it in
[21:26] <jnewt> it's plugged in, button just blinks.  i have this gscan2pdf thing, but it says no devices found.
[21:26] <alkisg> jnewt: output of this?scanimage -L
[21:27] <transhuman> time to rake Intel over the coals...
[21:27] <jnewt> no scanners were identified.
[21:28] <alkisg>  jnewt, it's supposed to work out of the box, if it doesn't, yeah it's going to be a "research project" :)
[21:29] <jnewt> sane-find-scanner says your USB scanner was (probably) detected.  It may or may not be supported by SANE.
[21:31] <hurricanehrndz> does anyone run an rx580
[21:32] <EriC^^> !ask | hurricanehrndz
[21:33] <adman120> i cant get files to show up over nfs4 even with fsuid
[21:33] <adman120> fsid
[21:38] <mike-zal> why do I have "old" indications before repo source during apt update? is trusty not supported anymore?
[21:39] <skinux> Something else I've been wondering about. I have my volume settings all the way up, yet I don't get much volume from my speakers when I watch embedded videos or NetFlix.
[21:40] <brainwash> mike-zal: full terminal output please
[21:42] <SimonNL> skinux: slider in sounds settings maybe
[21:42] <mike-zal> brainwash, here (it's in polish, "Stary" means "old"): https://pastebin.com/qtBs0jr4
[21:44] <hurricanehrndz> Okay, I have an rx580 running on ubuntu 17.10, after grub my display is completely black
[21:44] <hurricanehrndz> And my dmesg complains about VDDIC voltage, which I see a lot threads about but not solution
[21:45] <adman120> i cant get nfs4 working on my clients
[21:49] <brainwash> mike-zal: no idea. does it say "old" when you run "export LC_ALL=C; sudo apt-get update"?
[21:50] <brainwash> mike-zal: now the output should be in english
[21:51] <xenogerm_> Hello!
[21:57] <adman120> can someone help me
[21:58] <mike-zal> brainwash, now it's in english and it says "hit" instead "old", weird
[21:59] <mike-zal> brainwash, here is the output: https://pastebin.com/RuQUQ9BK
[22:01] <mike-zal> looks better, but now it's all in English, even without "export". is there a way to rewert to old language? on other hand, English in terminal is usually more helpfull...
[22:02] <mike-zal> adman120, just describe what is the problem and maybe someone will jump it and help you.
[22:02] <mike-zal> jump in*
[22:04] <adman120> how do you export a fuse module over nfs4 i know its possible im just stuck
[22:04] <IamNoob> Hi. I need some help with my external USB hard drive.
[22:04] <IamNoob> It is connected and detected.
[22:04] <IamNoob> A new disk file is created in /dev but it is not accessible.
[22:04] <mike-zal> brainwash, anyway, thanks,it turned out to be bad translation ;) and everything is ok.
[22:05] <IamNoob> Any help will be much appredcated.
[22:06] <mike-zal> have to go, by and thanks! :)
[22:07] <q3> rus
[22:07] <q3> всеми ку, как тут чеВо?
[22:07] <krytarik> !ru
[22:08] <Kremator> guys, why if main branch ubuntu LTS is supportd by 5 years then Xubuntu LTS is only supported by 3 years?
[22:13] <lia> hello
[22:14] <Kremator> guys, why if main branch ubuntu LTS is supportd by 5 years then Xubuntu LTS is only supported by 3 years?
[22:16] <krytarik> Kremator: Flavors can opt for a shorter period or no LTS at all.
[22:16] <adman120> how do you export a fuse module over nfs4 i know its possible im just stuck
[22:16] <lia> why is my plug not going in the ubuntu plug to do this
[22:21] <dsaravanan> When booting the following message is displayed: "lvmetad is not active yet, using during direct activation during sysinit". I use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. What it means and how to rectify it?
[22:24] <pedrocr> how do I go back to the normal 16.04 LTS stack from the HWE one?
[22:25] <oerheks> !lts | Kremator
[22:26] <oerheks> pedrocr, maybe these urls are any help :  http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/02/install-remove-enablement-stacks-ubuntu-16-04/  ::: https://askubuntu.com/questions/509613/how-to-downgrade-hwe
[22:26] <Kremator> my question now is, if i install an unsupported version of xubuntu (4 example) what kind of support i would be loosing
[22:26] <Kremator> i wouldnt get updates?
[22:26] <pedrocr> oerheks: thanks
[22:26] <tpw_rules> hey. i can't get fail2ban to work. i've enabled sshd, started it, and tried to log in with a bad username nad password but it's not blocking anything. logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26373536/
[22:27] <oerheks> Kremator, if you are lucky, the old repos are online, else no, no updates, no firefox and so on, and no support here
[22:28] <oerheks> see the !eol factoid how to enable that old repos
[22:28] <oerheks> !eol
[22:28] <Kremator> and what would be the difference from installing xubuntu vs installing mainline ubuntu and then installing xfce over it??
[22:29] <oerheks> Kremator, you would have 2 desktops then, at login
[22:29] <Kremator> i mean, if i install ubuntu 14.04 and install xfce to it, i would still receive the updates until 2019 right?
[22:29] <oerheks> adding a 2nd desktop is no problem, removing one can be a headpain
[22:29] <IamNoob> Help with external hdd please.
[22:29] <oerheks> Kremator, yes, but not for xfce..
[22:29] <booo> How can I ensure apt doesn't delete packages after installing them in the installer?
[22:30] <Kremator> oerheks, but i would still receive updates and stay "on" support right?
[22:30] <dsaravanan> When booting the following message is displayed: "lvmetad is not active yet, using during direct activation during sysinit". I use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. What it means and how to rectify it?
[22:30] <oerheks> Kremator, yes, for regular ubuntu
[22:30] <Kremator> oh...so it's the xfce as DE that wouldnt receive updaes
[22:30] <oerheks> jups
[22:30] <Kremator> :/
[22:31] <Kremator> >tfw even your machine gets outdated by linux standards
[22:31] <oerheks> question is: would you really like to run an 3 year+ desktop ?
[22:31] <akik> booo: did you check /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[22:31] <booo> Ie. what configuration option deletes them?
[22:31] <booo> Yes it deletes them from there
[22:31] <Loshki> dsaravanan: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/166832/what-is-lvmetad-and-why-would-i-want-or-need-to-use-it
[22:31] <TJ-> dsaravanan: it's just a notice, during initial RAM disk bring-up, because the LVM meta-data daemon hasn't been started. Nothing to worry about
[22:32] <Kremator> oerheks, well, tbh in ym case i think i will be needed
[22:33] <Kremator> i mean, i want to use xfce, and the version from 3 yrs ago wasnt bad
[22:33] <Kremator> i need 14.04 version because >muh kernel drivers>
[22:34] <Kremator> i cannot make my gpu work out 2 screen at the same time (in extended config) in 16.04
[22:34] <Kremator> and atm im hoping 18.04 doesnt become a shitshow 17.10 is
[22:38] <IamNoob> any help with external hdd guys?
[22:39] <oerheks> IamNoob, ask, wait and see ..
[22:39] <booo> Kremator: You know how to use xrandr right
[22:40] <Kremator> booo, yeah, the problem wasnt config the screens
[22:40] <booo> IamNoob: What kind of help do you want?
[22:41] <booo> Right
[22:41] <IamNoob> @oerheks I am asking and waiting.
[22:41] <booo> So drivers more
[22:41] <Kremator> the problem was that my GPYU couldnt "wake up" or send video signal to 2 screen simultaneously
[22:41] <booo> Right
[22:41] <Kremator> GPU*
[22:41] <Kremator> in 14.04 it just magically works, in 16.04 nay
[22:41] <IamNoob> Thanks. I have attached usb external hdd. It is detected but not accessible
[22:41] <Kremator> in 17.10 fiddling too mcuh with it could shut down both screen lo
[22:42] <oerheks> IamNoob, what filesystem is on that? exfat?
[22:42] <booo> IamNoob: Is it something that was created in or for Windows?
[22:42] <IamNoob> There are 4-5 partitions and all of them are ntfs.
[22:43] <oerheks> ntfs .. oke, maybe they are dirty/closed with errors, run a fsck on them to correct that, preferrably in windows
[22:43] <booo> IamNoob: So do you get a popup with all of these partitions?
[22:44] <booo> IamNoob: Do you know your way around the shell?
[22:44] <IamNoob> When I attach it with windows pc it is working.
[22:44] <IamNoob> yes
[22:44] <booo> Have you tried manually mounting?
[22:45] <Kremator>  booo any suggestion to my dilemma?
[22:45] <IamNoob> it is only showing /dev/sda so don't know how to mount it because it is not showing partitions
[22:45] <booo> Kremator: No not yet
[22:46] <booo> What happens when you run cfdisk /dev/sda?
[22:46] <oerheks> IamNoob, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[22:46] <hggdh> /dev/sda isprobably the (whole) primary disk, not USB
[22:47] <IamNoob> cfdisk: cannot open /dev/sda: No medium found
[22:47] <booo> You ran it as root right
[22:47] <IamNoob> yes with sudo
[22:47] <oerheks> hggdh +1
[22:48] <booo> Are you certain it is /dev/sda?
[22:48] <IamNoob> yes. it is.
[22:48] <IamNoob> brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   0 Jan 12 21:45 sda
[22:49] <booo> Well at this point you' ll need to generate some hardware report that others know better how to do
[22:49] <IamNoob> hardware report? using dmesg or something else?
[22:49] <booo> So when you connect it and run dmesg, it is at the end of the output right
[22:50] <IamNoob> yup
[22:50] <IamNoob> just a sec
[22:50] <booo> more like lshw
[22:51] <IamNoob> how to paste the report here?
[22:51] <hggdh> IamNoob: you can run Gnome Disk, and it should show you all disk (or disk-like) things in your system
[22:52] <hggdh> !pastebin | IamNoob
[22:52] <booo> You can dmesg | tail -n 20 | nc termbin.com 9999 if you want
[22:52] <IamNoob> http://termbin.com/qf0m
[22:53] <booo> And what does sudo blkid /dev/sda show?
[22:54] <IamNoob> nothing
[22:54] <IamNoob> just go to prompt again without any output.
[22:54] <BadBunny> hi. what do i need to install, to get correct japanese fonts on x-forwarding. server and client are both ubuntu 16.04
[22:55] <BadBunny> currently i only get squares with hexadecimal values
[22:55] <booo> I suppose a testrun of "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100" would also fail?
[22:56] <oerheks> BadBunny, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-jp
[22:56] <IamNoob> yup. it failed.
[22:56] <IamNoob> dd: failed to open '/dev/sda': No medium found
[22:56] <BadBunny> oerheks: i'll try. if they speak english too. my japanese is not that goot
[22:56] <booo> The USB identifiers are also weird
[22:57] <booo> I think you are slightly out of luck here....
[22:57] <oerheks> HUH ???  a testrun of "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100"   ... that ruins the first disk, don' t do that!
[22:57] <booo> And you'll have to do much more digging for this.
[22:57] <oerheks> booo, he is pointing to an external disk, that is *never* sda
[22:57] <booo> Oerheksie it doesn't...
[22:57] <IamNoob> Right. I am ready. If someone help me I will do it.
[22:58] <booo> IamNoob: You booting from USB or something right?
[22:58] <IamNoob> @oerheks it is sda because my system is mmcblk1
[22:58] <kenrin> I don't think you need anything special for the fonts,  just UTF
[22:59] <kenrin> I had to change my terminal to utf-8 to show up
[22:59] <booo> But my point is I have no clue what could be wrong.
[23:00] <oerheks> i think that external hdd is not ntfs, but exfat ...
[23:00] <booo> The generic name is weird, the serial number is weird
[23:00] <IamNoob> When I unplug external hdd /dev/sda is gone.
[23:00] <booo> It would still need to show a partition table honey
[23:00] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils // plug the hdd back in
[23:00] <hggdh> oerheks: nothing prohibits one from having an USB disk with NTFS
[23:00] <IamNoob> You are right. But it is not.
[23:01] <booo> The whole thing doesn't work
[23:01] <hggdh> IamNoob: do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[23:01] <booo> The whole device doesn't even work
[23:01] <IamNoob> This is actually a generic enclosure. hdd is inside enclosure.
[23:01] <booo> Right
[23:01] <oerheks> ntfs is standard available now..
[23:01] <IamNoob> yes I have installed ntfs-3g.
[23:02] <hggdh> imadz713: open Gnome Disk, and have a look at it
[23:02] <booo> Well I can't help you but to suggest a different USB card, or different enclosure, or directly connect via eSata, or whatever
[23:02] <booo> But maybe you can find info online
[23:02] <hggdh> IamNoob: open Gnome Disk, and have a look at it (sorry imadz713
[23:02] <IamNoob> Well I am connected to my pc stick through ssh
[23:03] <hggdh> IamNoob: does mount show it?
[23:03] <IamNoob> So no graphics mode available
[23:03] <IamNoob> nopes. mount doesn't show it.
[23:03] <booo> So are you booted from SDcard or something?
[23:04] <IamNoob> Yes. it is built-in eMMC I think.
[23:04] <booo> Are we talking about a Raspberry?
[23:04] <IamNoob> Nopes. It is Intel Compute Stick
[23:04] <booo> Right
[23:05] <booo> Interesting
[23:05] <booo> Maybe you can find some info online
[23:05] <IamNoob> Yes. I want to keep my interest intact if this starts working.
[23:05] <IamNoob> I tried but nothing found there.
[23:06] <oerheks> i stll think it is not ntfs, but exfat ...
[23:06] <booo> You'll need to get info on the USB controller
[23:06] <IamNoob> you mean lsusb?
[23:06] <oerheks> or dirty unmounted
[23:06] <booo> If you want pastebin lshw
[23:06] <IamNoob> ok. wait a sec.
[23:08] <booo> Oerheks you're so sweet hahaha
[23:10] <IamNoob> here you go. https://pastebin.com/bZhQqGrj
[23:10] <booo> Cute
[23:10] <booo> Ok
[23:10] <IamNoob> This is usb portion of lshw
[23:11] <IamNoob> Let me grab my cup of tea.
[23:11] <booo> I am on a very slow link and the site might actually not load
[23:12] <booo> That sight seriously loads at least 20 different domains
[23:13] <IamNoob> its OK. take your time.
[23:15] <booo> But I can't help you, I can't google and even if you showed me dmesg it probably still wouldn't help
[23:15] <booo> So this is it for me alright
[23:15] <IamNoob> It is OK. Thanks anyway for your time.
[23:15] <booo> Intel generally has a team dedicated to Linux support (hardware support)
[23:16] <booo> So maybe you can even contact them
[23:16] <IamNoob> through irc or my email?
[23:16] <booo> They write their own drivers for Linux
[23:16] <booo> No, through their project website
[23:16] <booo> But everything else requires being a kernel developer here
[23:16] <IamNoob> OK. Thanks. I will try there.
[23:16] <nacc> IamNoob: what is your issue?
[23:17] <booo> He has an Intel Compute Stick with a generic usb enclosure that won't allow access to his harddisk
[23:17] <IamNoob> @nacc my external hard drive is not accessible but it is detected.
[23:17] <nacc> IamNoob: not accessible how? what does dmesg say?
[23:18] <booo> Trying to access it produces "Medium not found" and the partition table is never loaded
[23:18] <nacc> booo: IamNoob: trying to access it how? again, what does dmesg say?
[23:18] <booo> This was his dmesg: http://termbin.com/qf0m
[23:18] <booo> Like a dd read
[23:19] <booo> Or cfdisk
[23:19] <IamNoob> http://termbin.com/qf0m
[23:19] <IamNoob> This is dmesg output
[23:19] <booo> I'll leave you to it
[23:19] <ObrienDave> what size disk?
[23:19] <IamNoob> Thanks @booo
[23:20] <IamNoob> about 350GB with 5 partitions. all of them are ntfs.
[23:20] <IamNoob> fdisk -l doesn't show this disk.
[23:20] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, so you've plugged the device into your computer over the usb cable?
[23:20] <IamNoob> yes. that is right.
[23:21] <nacc> IamNoob: and why do you want to access the innternal storage?
[23:21] <nacc> IamNoob: like what is your actual goal?
[23:21] <IamNoob> I am sorry I didn't get you. Internal or External?
[23:21] <nacc> IamNoob: why do you want to access your compute stick's storage medium?
[23:21] <nagyg> hi
[23:22] <ObrienDave> is ntfs-config installed?
[23:22] <IamNoob> My compute stick storage medium is internal. it is eMMC and linux is installed on it.
[23:22] <IamNoob> let me check.
[23:23] <ObrienDave> and check ntfs-3g
[23:23] <nacc> ObrienDave: good thought, that should onlny matter for mounting the filesystems, i think
[23:23] <nacc> accessing the partitions directly should work w/ or w/o ntfs support
[23:23] <ObrienDave> no mount, detect but no access :)
[23:23] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, and are you looking to modify that Linux? that didn't really answer myquestion
[23:24] <IamNoob> it wasn't installed and I have installed it now.
[23:24] <nacc> ObrienDave: hrm? booo earlier said they couldn't dd
[23:24] <ObrienDave> missed that part
[23:25] <IamNoob> Still not accessible.
[23:25] <DexterF> heya
[23:25] <IamNoob> Let me replug it.
[23:25] <nacc> IamNoob: are you connecting to a laptop to desktop? if laptop, si the laptop plugged in?
[23:25] <DexterF> can someone tell me how to take syslogs from a specific daemon out of syslog? I created an /etc/rsyslog.d/99-somed rule says : startswith ... /var/log/somed.log followed by a line with "& ~". restarted rsyslog, now logs to both syslog and somed.log. why still syslog?
[23:26] <IamNoob> nacc: I am connected to my compute stick with ssh on my laptop.
[23:26] <nacc> IamNoob: wait
[23:26] <nacc> IamNoob: what are you trying to do?
[23:26] <nacc> IamNoob: please just answer the question
[23:27] <IamNoob> Sorry. Still not accessible.
[23:28] <IamNoob> I am on my laptop. My compute stick is running headless and connected to my router.
[23:28] <chillpil1_> fing
[23:28] <nacc> DexterF: where is teh documentation for "& ~"? Did you mean "& stop" ?
[23:28] <vivus> Hello all
[23:29] <nacc> IamNoob: ok ... please answer the question!
[23:29]  * ObrienDave stays out from here
[23:29] <IamNoob> My laptop is also connected to my router and I am connected to my compute stick via ssh
[23:29] <IamNoob> External USB hdd is connected to my compute stick.
[23:29] <vivus> in this question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15883416/adding-git-branch-on-the-bash-command-prompt#24716445 on the answer with 28 upvotes and using `apt install bash-completion` , how do I do step 3?
[23:30] <IamNoob> nacc: Sorry what question?
[23:30]  * ObrienDave whistles sheepishly
[23:30] <nacc> IamNoob: ... what are you trying to do?
[23:30] <nacc> IamNoob: your end goal.
[23:31] <IamNoob> I want my compute stick to be development platform to compile kernel and other linux code.
[23:31] <nacc> IamNoob: uh
[23:31] <IamNoob> And I want my hdd to used as its drive.
[23:31] <nacc> IamNoob: what??
[23:31] <nacc> IamNoob: hold on
[23:32] <IamNoob> because its internal drive is only 32GB
[23:32] <nacc> vivus: literally as written at a terminal prompt
[23:32] <nacc> vivus: or you can add it to your .bashrc
[23:33] <IamNoob> nacc: I am held:)
[23:33] <vivus> nacc: do I need to add it to the .bashrc to make itself run without doing it manually each time?
[23:34] <nacc> IamNoob: so you have a computer, whatever it is (in this case ICS). You want to a) use it as a development machine and b) make your laptop's internal hard drive be the ICS's storage?
[23:34] <nacc> vivus: yes
[23:34] <vivus> nacc: on which line? any line after step 2?
[23:34] <IamNoob> nacc: Nopes.
[23:35] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, in one line then, please state your goal.
[23:35] <IamNoob> nacc: My hdd is external not laptop's Internal hdd.
[23:35] <nacc> IamNoob: I have no way of knowing that.
[23:35] <nacc> IamNoob: when you say hdd, do you mean a USB thumb drive?
[23:36] <IamNoob> No. It means a loptop's small thin hdd enclosed in an enclosure and has a USB connection.
[23:36] <nacc> IamNoob: ok, so you have an external HDD and you want to plug it into your ICS?
[23:36] <TJ-> nacc: PC > USB > ICS (internal eMMC as /dev/mmcblock0) < USB enclosure </dev/sda
[23:37] <nacc> IamNoob: what does your laptop have to do with any of this?
[23:37] <TJ-> IamNoob: ^^^^ is my diagram correct?
[23:37] <nacc> TJ-: right, but they also said that the PC is on the network with the ICS, so I don't know why they have a USB connection to it
[23:37] <nacc> and, afaict, nothing they ahve said explains why they want to modify the internal storage of the ICS
[23:38] <TJ-> nacc: the ICS connects via USb (if it's like my Armory) and presents as a CDC Ethernet device, so you SSH into it
[23:38] <IamNoob> nacc: Yes. that's right.
[23:38] <TJ-> IamNoob: nacc and, I think, although Linux on the ICS can see /dev/sda it does not detect the 5 or so partitions - is that correct IamNoob ?
[23:38] <nacc> IamNoob: so the issue is you're plugging this external HDD into your ICS and it's not recognzied?
[23:39] <IamNoob> TJ-: Yes. Your diagram is correct.
[23:39] <IamNoob> It is recognized but not accessible
[23:39] <nacc> IamNoob: is it recognized by your laptop?
[23:39] <TJ-> IamNoob: nacc so the issue appears to be possibly missing kernel  modules for msdos and/or gpt
[23:39] <vivus> nacc: on which line? After step 2?
[23:40] <nacc> vivus: most .bashrc have a PS1 setting allready, modify (it helps to copy & paste the line, comment one of them out, so you know what you changed)
[23:40] <IamNoob> TJ- gpt cannot be missing because my internal eMMC is gpt partitioned and is visible.
[23:40] <nacc> IamNoob: what filesystem is the external hard drive?
[23:40] <vivus> okay nacc thanks. do you use Python virtualenv nacc ? I see that when I set it, the virtualenv name disappears
[23:41] <IamNoob> nacc: it is 5 partitions and all are ntfs.
[23:41] <nacc> vivus: i do not
[23:41] <vivus> ok np nacc ty
[23:41] <nacc> IamNoob: then why were you talking about exfat earlier?
[23:41] <nacc> vivus: but that's brecause the example in that article is nont very generic
[23:41] <nacc> vivus: it sets the terminal prompt so it *only* shows the git_ps1 and the working dir
[23:41] <vivus> nacc: is there a better way?
[23:41] <vivus> oh
[23:42] <oerheks> nacc, i did...
[23:42] <TJ-> IamNoob: try "modinfo msdos"
[23:42] <nacc> vivus: if your ps1 already contains other things (e.g., python virtualenv), then you just want to extend that
[23:42] <IamNoob> nacc: I am sorry I think you misread it. I never said exfat. They are all ntfs
[23:42] <vivus> nacc: 100 . taking a look
[23:42] <TJ-> IamNoob: if you see output, then try "lsmod | grep msdos" - if no result, do "sudo modprobe msdos"
[23:42] <nacc> vivus: you might be able to `echo $PS1` and see what it's currently set at
[23:42] <nacc> IamNoob: ok
[23:42] <IamNoob> TJ-: OK
[23:42] <nacc> IamNoob: as I asked, the disk is recognized by your laptop?
[23:43] <nacc> I could also imagine, since it's an enclosure of a laptop HDD, the ICS may not be able to drive it. I've seen odd issues like that in the past
[23:44] <vivus> nacc: \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
[23:44] <TJ-> nacc: IamNoob gave us a paste from dmesh showing the device recognised by not partition table scan http://termbin.com/qf0m
[23:44] <vivus> wow, that is on a regex-level of completely non-understandable
[23:44] <nacc> vivus: `man bash`, PROMPTING section
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, i've seen bad usb ports do the same thing
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: it's got enough juice to power on the disk, but not enough to actually control it, e.g.
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: not asserting that to be the case
[23:45] <nacc> TJ-: just a thought
[23:45] <vivus> nacc: I'm guessing I will need some ninja-level customization to add both?
[23:45] <TJ-> nacc: possibly; IamNoob is the external USB enclosure powered by it's own power supply?
[23:46] <nacc> vivus: no, it's easy, just don't modify what's there.
[23:46] <IamNoob> TJ- Nopes. No external Power Supply.
[23:46] <nacc> vivus: e.g., I just put mine at the end of the line i something like $(__git_ps1 " ($s)")
[23:46] <IamNoob> But I am using a powerful power supply for my ICS.
[23:46] <IamNoob> It is 2A.
[23:47] <TJ-> IamNoob: what port is the external USB drive connected to? USB2 or USB3?
[23:47] <IamNoob> USB2
[23:47] <aruns> It's like view counts for YouTube videos, a lot of content creators probably hire companies to generate views for them.
[23:47] <aruns> Oops.
[23:47] <aruns> Wrong channel.
[23:47] <vivus> thank you nacc . if I could tip you with some micro-currency, I would. but the least I can offer is my gratitude
[23:47] <TJ-> IamNoob: IamNoob right, which has an absolute maximum current or 500mA (0.5A) which could be less than the USB connected drive needs
[23:47] <nacc> vivus: np, hopefully that works. It's worth learning a bit about the prompting, it can be extended/customized to be very useful
[23:47] <IamNoob> OK.
[23:48] <TJ-> IamNoob: if you can connect external power do it, if only to prove that isn't causing the issue!
[23:49] <IamNoob> TJ-: Right. but there is no plug for external power on enclosure.
[23:49] <TJ-> IamNoob: hmmm, what's the make/model of the enclosure/disk ?
[23:49] <IamNoob> But how come it works if connect it to my laptop's USB2 port?
[23:51] <IamNoob> TJ-: hard disk is Samsung mSATA and enclosure is something generic. There is no name on it.
[23:51] <TJ-> IamNoob: maybe the PC can supply more power
[23:52] <IamNoob> TJ-: hmmm.
[23:52] <TJ-> IamNoob: here's another test you can try, to determine if this is a partition module issue. If you have a spare USB flash stick, write a MSDOS partition table to it, plug it into the ICS, see if Linux sees the partitions.
[23:53] <TJ-> IamNoob: that sohuldn't be subject to power issues
[23:54] <IamNoob> TJ:- Yes. That is recognized and accessible. It is USB flash drive 8GB.
[23:56] <nacc> IamNoob: and it's MSDOS (or GPT) and NTFS?
[23:57] <IamNoob> that is msdos
[23:57] <TJ-> IamNoob: right, so the ICS isn't missing a partition module. So, looks like a power issue
[23:57] <IamNoob> TJ-: Right.
[23:58] <nacc> I don't think the ICS is designed to power external hard drives, based upon the market it's meant to hit
[23:59] <IamNoob> nacc: I attach it with a USB Hub and attach USB hub to ICS. Then power USB hub through its adapter.
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> using the 'cp' command
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> how do you say 'this directory' using a symbol, i've forgot
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> is it '-' ?
[23:59] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: .
[23:59] <shazbotmcnasty> perfect thanks
[23:59] <akik> IamNoob: is there a usb 3.0 port on the ics?
[23:59] <IamNoob> Nopes.