[11:03] <janmariu> Hi, im preseeding with the ubiquity desktop image. Could anyone please let me know if that installer supports "d-i preseed/include string myinclyde.cfg"? or if i need to use the alternate image with the debian installer.
[23:19] <bdmurray> xnox: Can you have a look at bug 1265192? I was unable to recreate it but it would be serious if true.
[23:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1265192 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Reinstallation wipes out all/other partitions" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1265192
[23:21] <xnox> bdmurray: and in your tests you were booting with uefi?
[23:21] <xnox> i can try this out again with windows8 uefi, but it will be just that without the "oem style shipped recovery partitions"
[23:22] <xnox> (maybe there is a way to recreate those)
[23:22] <bdmurray> xnox: gah, missed that bit
[23:22] <xnox> bdmurray: cause i'm pretty sure we have no way to detect uefi based installations with 13.10, and thus those installations only offered "wipe all disk and install"
[23:22] <bdmurray> xnox: so no not with uefi
[23:22] <xnox> bdmurray: no worries, i'll try it out with uefi on ~= thursday
[23:23] <bdmurray> xnox: okay, thanks


[06:03] <_rafa__> hey guys!
[06:04] <_rafa__> anything i can do to help?
[09:08] <asac> stgraber: could you append something to the topic for me ? (why do you restrict this?)
[09:08] <asac> stgraber: ... Please test ffox security updates: http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ + http://tinyurl.com/5f2s4s
[09:08] <asac> maybe too late, but might be good to do that in future ;)(
[11:19] <stgraber> weird according to chanserv the topic protection should be off ...
[11:19] <stgraber> hmm
[19:08] <rom1v> hi
[19:09] <rom1v> I tried to upgrade to intrepid alpha 2 : sudo update-manager -d
[19:09] <rom1v> but doesn't work ("unresolvable problem....")
[19:09] <rom1v> http://pastebin.com/d2e9a325f   ← here is my /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[19:11] <rom1v> could you help me
[19:26] <persia> rom1v:  That's probably a bug.  Would you mind filing it?
[19:26] <rom1v> where
[19:26] <rom1v> launchpad?
[19:33] <stgraber> IIRC it's known that upgrades currently fail but the bug is still worth reporting
[19:33] <stgraber> yes on Launchpad
[19:34] <stgraber> you can also ping mvo on IRC, he's the one working on the update-manager (but he doesn't seem to be around at the moment)


[04:32] <MarkDude> This is relevant to Ubuntu : https://plus.google.com/u/1/105095769731159704550/posts/TND43Gib6rg
[04:32] <darthrobot> [R: plus.google.com] Title: [Mark Terranova - Google+ - #ubuntu is ponderiing having the  #Community #deprecated .…]
[22:12] <raevol> waiting for an ubuntu cd torrent to finally catch some high bandwidth peers is always fun
[22:13] <raevol> it's like, 3 hours left to download? hmmm, not as soon as we find a good peer...
[22:17] <bkerensa> heh
[22:17] <bkerensa> I am seeding
[22:18] <raevol> server 12.04.2?
[22:18] <raevol> amd64?
[22:54] <bkerensa> oh no
[22:54] <bkerensa> just desktop
[22:56] <raevol> bah


[00:11] <vivus> Unit193: #devuan
[00:31] <Unit193> vivus: I did it for Debian, if you want an easier starting point?
[00:31] <vivus> Unit193: you rebuilt Xubuntu entirely on Debian? which version?
[00:31] <Unit193> Unstable.
[00:32] <vivus> so a rolling release that auto-updates all the time?
[00:33] <Unit193> I think we should likely move to query.
[00:34] <vivus> query?
[00:35] <Unit193> PM.
[11:58] <xubuntu92d> START WIFI
[11:59] <knome> xubuntu92d, is that an attempt at a support question?
[14:09] <Sellareo> Hi, I've a problem with XFCE4 using the Arc theme. In the panel the background color is not great -> https://img1.picload.org/image/daridwrw/bildschirmfoto_2018-02-17_15-0.png
[14:09] <Sellareo> Unfortunately, I do not know how to change that. I did not do any adjustments, just using the default Arc theme
[14:10] <Sellareo> I mean the white background color here, so that it's very hard to read the text
[23:55] <fxdave> Hi!
[23:56] <fxdave> Is somebody online?
[23:56] <Unit193> Someone surely is.
[23:57] <fxdave> good i have just installed playonlinux
[23:57] <fxdave> and have some question about it
[23:57] <fxdave> i installed photoshop CS6 with the give instructions
[23:58] <fxdave> and the input fields are weird
[23:58] <fxdave> https://i.stack.imgur.com/DxRs9.png
[23:58] <fxdave> any ideas?
[23:59] <fxdave> I am not a native speaker sorry if it looks like i am not polite or something


[14:18] <seif> hey guys
[14:18] <seif> on my thinkpad x201
[14:18] <seif> the touchpad is not working on oneirick
[14:22] <tjaalton> seif: logfile please
[14:23] <tjaalton> not that..
[14:32] <seif> guys
[14:32] <seif> ?
[14:32] <tjaalton> 16:22 < tjaalton> seif: logfile please
[14:32] <seif> tjaalton, how do i get that
[14:33] <seif> ?
[14:33] <tjaalton> apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:33] <tjaalton> and paste the link here
[14:34] <seif> http://paste.ubuntu.com/637934/
[14:35] <tjaalton> ok, so how is it "broken"
[14:37] <seif> the touchpad is not responding
[14:37] <seif> only the nipple thingie
[14:37] <seif> :)
[14:38] <tjaalton> at least the driver loaded just fine
[14:38] <tjaalton> can you see the touchpad from the output of 'xinput list'?
[14:40] <seif> yep its there
[14:40] <seif> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[14:40] <seif> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:40] <seif> ⎜   ↳ TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                   	id=13	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:40] <seif> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[14:41] <tjaalton> um, it doesn't have an id= ?
[14:41] <seif> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:41] <seif> sorry
[14:41] <seif> :)
[14:41] <seif> it does
[14:41] <tjaalton> xinput list-props 11 |grep -i enabled ?
[14:42] <seif> 	Device Enabled (132):	0
[14:43] <tjaalton> there you go
[14:43] <tjaalton> something has disabled it
[14:43] <seif> :(
[14:43] <seif> how do i enable it
[14:43] <tjaalton> which desktop?
[14:43] <seif> unity
[14:43] <tseliot> maybe a gconf key disabled it?
[14:43] <tjaalton> maybe
[14:44] <tseliot> launch the "mouse" app and try to enable it from there
[14:44] <tseliot> you should see a tab about "touchpads"
[14:46] <seif> i did
[14:46] <seif> should i restart the session
[14:46] <seif> ?
[14:46] <tjaalton> no
[14:46] <seif> well its not working
[14:46] <tseliot> can you put the full output of "xinput list-props 11" on pastebin, please?
[14:47] <tjaalton> xinput set-int-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 1 8
[14:47] <jcristau> xinput set-prop 11 'Device Enabled' 1
[14:47] <jcristau> :)
[14:47] <tjaalton> is the last bit still needed?
[14:47] <tseliot> right, we have that now
[14:47] <tjaalton> I'm not sure
[14:47] <tjaalton> ah, set-prop
[14:47] <tjaalton> shorter
[14:47] <jcristau> i wrote that code :)
[14:47] <seif> invalid format
[14:47] <tseliot> :)
[14:48] <tjaalton> seif: try what jcristau gave
[14:48] <seif> yeah both did not work
[14:48] <seif> but
[14:48] <seif> 8 1 worked
[14:48] <jcristau> wtf.
[14:48] <seif> yet still no mouse
[14:49] <tjaalton> something is actively disabling it then?
[14:49] <tjaalton> anyway, user config issue :)
[14:49] <jcristau> seif: and list-props still says it's 0?
[14:50] <seif> http://pastebin.com/10hwUiJd
[14:53] <seif> jcristau, ^
[14:53] <tseliot> it's still 0
[14:53] <tseliot> it's not supposed to work...
[14:54] <seif> how can we make it work
[14:55] <jcristau> turn off whatever's disabling it
[14:55] <tseliot> and I think we can rule out gnome-settings-daemon if setting values manually doesn't change the value
[14:55] <seif> seif@Wumbo:~/Projects/gnome-tweak-tool$ xinput set-int-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 1 8
[14:55] <seif> Invalid format 1
[14:55] <tseliot> unless you have a crazy daemon which sets things back to 0...
[14:56] <tseliot> seif: format should be 8
[14:56] <tseliot> the value should be 1
[14:56] <tseliot> swap the numbers
[14:56] <seif> i did
[14:56] <seif> hmmmmmmm
[14:56] <seif> something is disabling it
[14:56] <tseliot> and what did you get with 1 8?
[14:57] <seif> tseliot, nothing
[14:57] <tjaalton> apt-get install dconf-tools
[14:57] <tseliot> seif: try this and see if it still happens: killall gnome-settings-daemon
[14:57] <tseliot> then use the command again
[14:57] <tseliot> and see if the touchpad remains enabled
[14:57] <tjaalton> open dconf-editor, then check /org/gnome/settings-daemon/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad-enabled
[14:58] <seif> afdasf
[14:58] <seif> fsa
[14:58] <seif> f
[14:58] <seif> a
[14:59] <seif> ok now its working
[15:00] <seb128> speaking of trackpad, what could make one not being listed in xinput list?
[15:00] <seif> it works
[15:00] <seif> restarted session and it works like charm
[15:01] <tjaalton> what did you do?
[15:01] <seif> what you todl me to
[15:01] <seif> changed it from dconf-editor
[15:01] <tjaalton> and?
[15:01] <tjaalton> changed what?
[15:01] <tjaalton> that setting?
[15:01] <seif> clicked the enabled thingie
[15:01] <seif> also i killed the gnome-settings-daemon
[15:04] <tjaalton> seb128: if no input driver is loaded for it
[15:04] <seb128> tjaalton, said differently "why is my touchpad not listed there and how do I turn it off" ;-)
[15:05] <tjaalton> seb128: if xinput list doesn't show it, it means X doesn't know it exists
[15:05] <tjaalton> so it's "off"
[15:06] <tjaalton> but maybe you meant to turn it on
[15:06] <seb128> it's for sure no "off", I keep clicking on it by touching it with my palms
[15:06] <tjaalton> but then xinput surely has it?
[15:06] <jcristau> pastebin xinput list and X log?
[15:06] <seb128> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[15:06] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[15:06] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ Logitech Optical USB Mouse              	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[15:06] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ ImPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint                  	id=14	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[15:07] <tjaalton> ah, lovely alphs
[15:07] <tjaalton> alps
[15:07] <jcristau> seb128: well, it's there...
[15:07] <seb128> isn't glidepoint the trackpad?
[15:07] <seb128> I've both a small round bit in the middle of the keyboard and a touchpad
[15:07] <seb128> I've an USB mouse as well
[15:08] <tjaalton> aiui there's no "disable while typing" for that, since it's using the evdev driver and not synaptics
[15:08] <seb128> hum
[15:08] <tjaalton> seb128: the round thing is trackpoint
[15:08] <tjaalton> aka the nipple :)
[15:08] <seb128> that's why it's not in the gnome-control-center tab I guess
[15:08] <seb128> ok
[15:08] <seb128> so I've a trackpoint and a touchpad
[15:08] <tjaalton> yes
[15:08] <seb128> and I want to turn the touchpad off
[15:08] <seb128> how do I do that?
[15:08] <tjaalton> but the trackpoint is not listed and doesn't work?
[15:08] <seb128> they both work
[15:08] <tjaalton> ok
[15:08] <seb128> I want to turn the touchpad off
[15:09] <tjaalton> just not on the list above, but ok
[15:09] <seb128> since I don't use it but keep palm clicking it
[15:09] <tjaalton> xinput set-prop 14 "Device Enabled" 0
[15:09] <tjaalton> for the running session
[15:09] <tjaalton> then a config snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to disable it permanently
[15:10] <seb128> thanks
[15:11] <tjaalton> see man xorg.conf, Section "InputClass", and Option "Ignore" "boolean"
[15:11] <seb128> so the reason why it's not seen as a touchpad in GNOME is because it uses evdev?
[15:11] <tjaalton> right
[15:11] <seb128> that will work for me I guess but is not really user friendly :-(
[15:11] <tjaalton> I don't know if it could be made to work
[15:12] <tjaalton> actually, I have such a machine here.. but I think it needs kernel work
[15:12] <tjaalton> or maybe not, should just try it out
[15:25] <tjaalton> right, the kernel doesn't list alps as a touchpad, just as a ps/2 mouse
[15:30] <tjaalton> and forcing synaptics doesn't work


[11:42] <CIA-61> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2697 hardy-proposed/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.8.13
[11:49] <CIA-61> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2698 hardy-proposed/d-i/sources.list: add hardy-updates to sources.list for good measure; note that updates are sometimes removed from -proposed
[11:51] <CIA-61> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2699 hardy-proposed/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[11:51] <CIA-61> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[11:51] <CIA-61> ubiquity: 1.86ubuntu2.3, console-setup 1.21ubuntu9, grub-installer 1.27ubuntu8.1,
[11:51] <CIA-61> ubiquity: partman-base 114ubuntu6, partman-target 54ubuntu7, user-setup
[11:51] <CIA-61> ubiquity: 1.16ubuntu6.
[12:03] <CIA-61> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2700 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.8.13
[13:27] <cjwatson> kirkland: ok, that libnewt0.52 thing is a red herring, don't worry about it
[13:29] <cjwatson> kirkland: I've added ecryptfs-utils to the d-i-requirements seed
[13:38] <cjwatson> kirkland: the pkgsel red-screen isn't your problem either - that's due to some uninstallable packages
[13:38] <cjwatson> kirkland: which I think should now be fixed
[13:38] <cjwatson> so I think we're just left with the kernel side
[13:40] <davmor2> cjwatson: does this mean that things should be stable enough to test now?
[13:41] <cjwatson> no, the kernel side kills things
[13:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: thanks :)
[15:38] <kirkland> cjwatson: if we don't get the kernel side of this issue solve in time for Alpha2, i think we should disable the encrypt-home question in user-setup
[15:38] <cjwatson> I agree
[15:39] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm downloading the iso now;  though i don't know if anything has changed ?
[15:41] <cjwatson> uninstallables should be fixed I think
[15:41] <cjwatson> also we switched to -3
[15:51]  * kirkland proceeds to testing alternate & server 64 bit
[16:34] <CIA-61> user-setup: cjwatson * r135 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-ask):
[16:34] <CIA-61> user-setup: Disable home directory encryption option for now, since the kernel
[16:34] <CIA-61> user-setup: doesn't yet provide the right pieces (e.g. ecryptfs.ko) in udebs.
[16:37] <CIA-61> user-setup: cjwatson * r136 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.23ubuntu3
[16:54] <CIA-61> ubiquity: evand * r2955 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py): Hand partman the data it expects when in manual partitioning.
[16:55] <evand> ^ Not entirely confident of that change.  I'm inclined to believe there's a proper approach, and this isn't it.
[17:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: it installs if you do no at encrypt home
[17:02] <cjwatson> davmor2: oh, sure, I thought you meant testing encrypt-home itself
[17:02] <CIA-61> ubiquity: evand * r2956 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[17:02] <CIA-61> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[17:02] <CIA-61> ubiquity: 1.86ubuntu9, console-setup 1.28ubuntu4, partman-base 128ubuntu3,
[17:02] <CIA-61> ubiquity: user-setup 1.23ubuntu2.
[17:02] <davmor2> no
[17:02] <cjwatson> evand: hmm. it looks like it'll do for now anyway ...
[17:03] <evand> ok
[17:25] <tgm4883_laptop> xivulon, does wubi that is downloaded from the wubi site produce any logs?
[17:42] <xivulon> tgm4883_laptop, yes, the log is in the user temp folder, %TEMP% environment variable
[17:46] <tgm4883_laptop> xivulon, thanks, I see the problem now
[17:47] <tgm4883_laptop> xivulon, will wubi only do the current release?
[17:47] <tgm4883_laptop> I ask because of the filename that is used
[17:49] <xivulon> yes, each version of wubi runs only the matching ISO, before final release the daily builds are used
[17:49] <xivulon> so wubi 8.10 -> ubuntu 8.10
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> ok sounds good.  I'll poke Daviey to get the naming fixed on our side
[17:50] <xivulon> please note that I am rewriting wubi in python and the old nsis code will be replaced
[17:50] <xivulon> see the jaunty.python branch
[17:50] <tgm4883_laptop> noted, i'll take a look
[18:58] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, we're much closer now, to encrypted-home
[18:58] <kirkland> cjwatson: still an error on the kernel side, though
[19:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/87249/
[19:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: can't initialize the aes cipher
[19:04]  * evand throws rocks at CIA-61
[21:28] <CIA-61> user-setup: cjwatson * r137 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply): Install crypto-modules if home directory encryption is requested.


[06:18] <flocculant> Unit193: thanks - wasn't sure
[22:10] <Unit193> knome: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ needs more Xubuntu blue.
[22:17] <ochosi> agreed
[23:41]  * genii keeps his sunglasses on for now
[23:42] <genii> Unit193: What is Disco... Disco Duck?
[23:44] <Unit193> Makes me think of a song.
[23:44] <ochosi> Unit193: do we control the content of the xfce4 package?
[23:44] <genii> Unit193: Heh, yes, that's why I'm asking
[23:45] <Unit193> I'm going to go with 'no', why?
[23:45] <ochosi> i mean, is it in our package set
[23:45] <ochosi> well it still suggests stuff like gtk3-engines-xfce (which shouldn't even be a thing anymore)
[23:45]  * genii heads back to the coffeepot
[23:45] <ochosi> and includes "orage" for whatever obscure reason
[23:45] <ochosi> while only suggesting xfce4-power-manager
[23:45] <ochosi> that feels a little odd
[23:46] <Unit193> orage is an Xfce thing, soo.
[23:46] <ochosi> yeah, not a core thing though
[23:46] <ochosi> it's also a very unmaintained thing
[23:46] <ochosi> while tumbler isn't even in recommends or suggests
[23:46] <ochosi> or does thunar pull that in anyway?
[23:46] <Unit193> ...That's not even in xfce4-goodies, odd.
[23:47] <ochosi> tango-icon-theme is also a bit... dated
[23:47] <Unit193> ochosi: If things are way out of whack (like engines and orage), then yeah we can propose to Debian.
[23:47] <ochosi> that'd be nice
[23:47] <Unit193> Tango is what xfce4-settings defaults to (in Debian)
[23:48] <ochosi> humm
[23:48] <ochosi> i'd rather we default to something else
[23:48] <ochosi> almost anything really :p
[23:48] <Unit193> Basically: Xubuntu doesn't really care about it, but we can upload to it.  If we make a lot of changes, it doesn't really get us anything since we don't use it and buys us a lot of merging later on.  If the changes make sense outside of Xubuntu, then that's different.
[23:48] <ochosi> (sry, i know i'm late to the party with suddenly getting interested in distro defaults)
[23:49] <ochosi> yeah, i'm trying to think about the latter
[23:49] <Unit193> I've proposed greybird and elementary-xfce, but not pushed on it.
[23:49] <ochosi> i noticed how shitty the xfce experience is in fedora
[23:49] <ochosi> so i've started working on a new default panel layout and stuff
[23:49] <Unit193> "It's what the Xfce site has screenshots of" was my main reasoning.
[23:50] <ochosi> i'll also go through other apps and update the defaults
[23:50] <ochosi> so e.g. the primary display feature is enabled in both panel and xfdesktop
[23:50] <ochosi> cause that's what people would expect, i guess