[08:09] <crimsun> whyameye, are you using alsa directly?
[08:09] <reka> Yuki: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <Yuki> kk
[08:10] <Yuki> ty
[08:10] <rob^> any ideas how to fix this?
[08:10] <hosler> crimsun: so how do I prevent esound from starting up? Also, what are some suggestion for programs which only use oss?
[08:10] <sunrex> ok...WHY IS MY SOUND NOT RUNNING
[08:10] <crimsun> hosler, System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck Enable sound server startup
[08:10] <whyameye> Crimsun: I think I am.  Then I choose ALSA in the multimedia systems director. Then I run Kino which has /dev/dsp set as the sound device.
[08:11] <crimsun> hosler, make sure that you change System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default audio sink to ALSA
[08:11] <jasoncohen> hmm...why do so many people have problems with sound?
[08:11] <jasoncohen> sunrex, so, you get no sound at all?
[08:11] <[Chameleon] > because ALSA assumed everybody had hardware mixers
[08:11] <crimsun> whyameye, ok, that would use ALSA's oss emulation
[08:11] <sunrex> Jasoncohen:nope...not one sound
[08:11] <Yuki> so...I can do stuff while it emerges right?
[08:12] <[Chameleon] > and the AC'97 and similar sound hardware is a software mixer.
[08:12] <crimsun> [Chameleon] , no, that's an inaccurate statement.
[08:12] <hosler> crimsun: well that was easy. when i think linux i think command line. thanks.
[08:12] <cajun> is hoary still the current testing version?
[08:12] <whyameye> crumsun: do I have other options for piping the sound? What I am doing is clearly not working.
[08:12] <[Chameleon] > crimsun: what's inaccurate about it?
[08:12] <jasoncohen> cajun, hoary is the current stable release. breezy is the development release
[08:12] <whyameye> sorry...that's crimsun
[08:12] <crimsun> [Chameleon] , there's absolutely no assumption whatsoever regarding the underlying hardware having multiopen capability.
[08:12] <sunrex> whats Hoary..
[08:12] <sunrex> i just got plain old Ubuntu
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> zomg what happened I can't hear sound anymore!
[08:12] <adwait> sunrex: name of the current version of uvuntu
[08:13] <adwait> *ubuntu
[08:13] <sunrex> Adwait:how i find out....lol.
[08:13] <[Chameleon] > crimsun: so what's the source of the sound difficulties?
[08:13] <adwait> heh
[08:13] <Yuki> reka: how long will it take do you think?
[08:13] <jasoncohen> sunrex, did you try changing your default sink to ALSA or OSS?
[08:13] <bigfoot1> anybody use Plugger instead of gmplayer as their plugin media player in their web browser?
[08:13] <sunrex> there is no 'difficulties' i have 0 sound
[08:13] <crimsun> [Chameleon] , it's a combination of esound and the sound hardware
[08:13] <whyameye> crimsun: is there a place I can change some sort of audio buffer to try to smooth other stuttering?
[08:13] <sunrex> Jasoncohen no...i dont think so
[08:14] <tiglionabbit> guys guys, I don't know what's changed, but suddenly the only thing I can get sound from is xmame.  I can't get sound from beep-media-player, flash, or even games.  What could I have done?
[08:14] <jasoncohen> sunrex, system > preferences > multimedia systems selector - default sink for audio is esd. try alsa and test to see if you hear sound
[08:14] <hosler> whyameye: what do you mean by shuttering?
[08:14] <crimsun> [Chameleon] , esound was used as an attempt to overcome the multiopen problem because, at the time, ALSA's lib-level dmix solution wasn't quite mature enough
[08:14] <bigfoot1> what do you guys recommend/use for midi files?
[08:14] <jasoncohen> crimsun, what will be used in breezy?
[08:14] <tiglionabbit> can someone help me out here?
[08:14] <crimsun> jasoncohen, Breezy already uses dmix for up to 9 devices.
[08:14] <reka> Yuki: well what's the estimated time left?
[08:14] <sunrex> Jasoncohen: i cant it says Failed To Construct Test Pipline
[08:15] <whyameye> hosler: sorry stuttering. Instead of a smooth stream of sound, the sound is coming out in blips interrupted by silence probably 10x/second.
[08:15] <drummer87> is it possible to downgrade to hoary?
[08:15] <hosler> whyameye: sorry :( never had that problem. It either worked or didnt work at all for me.
[08:15] <Yuki> oh, I see now XD
[08:15] <crimsun> whyameye, does that application have an ALSA output?
[08:15] <adwait> drummer87: from breezy?
[08:15] <_0kills> hey guys, im having a brain fart, whats the command to extract from .tgz?
[08:15] <sunrex> *sigh* its screwed up =/
[08:15] <jasoncohen> crimsun, so, a lot of these issues should dissapear in breezy? it just seems like a LOT of users are having sound issues
[08:15] <drummer87> yep, from breezy
[08:15] <crimsun> _0kills, tar xfz foo.tar.gz
[08:15] <whyameye> crimsun: how would I check?
[08:15] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, what have you changed recently?
[08:16] <_0kills> crimsun, thanks
[08:16] <Yuki> reka: will I have to logout anf login again for the changes to take effect?
[08:16] <jasoncohen> drummer87, apt-get doesn't really support downgrades. it's meant to do upgrades
[08:16] <hosler> Where can I specify programs to start up on boot? I want gdesklets deamon to startup on boot.
[08:16] <whyameye> crimsun: it just has an area to type in the sound device name
[08:16] <crimsun> whyameye, you need to check the application.
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: nothing...   the last thing I did that had anything to do with sound was...   I did a modprobe command to make rosegarden work
[08:16] <adwait> hosler: u can save current config while logging out, or use rcconf
[08:16] <jasoncohen> and it worked before that?
[08:16] <drummer87> so reinstalling is the only/easiest option?
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: yep
[08:16] <hosler> adwait: ok thanks
[08:16] <reka> Yuki: yes.  iirc, when it's done, log out, click on the sessions button and select KDE.
[08:16] <adwait> np
[08:16] <jasoncohen> drummer87, probably- you shouldn't have upgraded to breezy. it's a development release and is currently in a very unstable state
[08:16] <crimsun> jasoncohen, a lot of these issues will be moot, yes, but the fact that a lot of ac97 solutions are pure crap can't be masked
[08:17] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: I followed this guide, and it was working pretty well.  I could hear sound mixed between several programs at the same time
[08:17] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[08:17] <ubotu> well, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[08:17] <tiglionabbit> that one
[08:17] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, well, try to rmmod that module and then try, and if that doesn't work restart
[08:17] <jasoncohen> did you add the module to /etc/moduels or anything?
[08:17] <tiglionabbit> I can't remember the module...
[08:17] <[Chameleon] > crimsun: OK, next time I answer that question, I'll omit the part about ALSA making an assumption.
[08:17] <drummer87> jasoncohen, it's only on a testing box, np reinstalling
[08:17] <bigfoot1> how can i make galeon wrap the tabs onto more than one line, so that I don't have to hit the arrow buttons on the side?
[08:17] <jasoncohen> drummer87, then re-install. it's the easiest solution
[08:17] <crimsun> [Chameleon] , thanks
[08:17] <tiglionabbit> oh there we go, modprobe snd_seq
[08:17] <Yuki> oh btw
[08:17] <Yuki> reka: my screen is off centered, how do I fix that?
[08:18] <tiglionabbit> Yuki: use the adjustments on your monitor
[08:18] <Whistler> in your monitor menu
[08:18] <Yuki> oj
[08:18] <Yuki> lol
[08:18] <Yuki> *oh
[08:18] <reka> heh
[08:18] <Whistler> :)
[08:18] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: how do I reverse that modprobe?
[08:18] <jasoncohen> sunrex, change the default sink - not default source
[08:18] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, rmmod
[08:18] <umar> i m trying to make work my tv remote control
[08:19] <Yuki> there we go ^^
[08:19] <[Chameleon] > g'night all
[08:19] <adwait> umar: with the pc?? explain plz......
[08:19] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: oh...  does modprobe only stay until you restart?  Seems it "does not exist" so it must not be a permanent change
[08:19] <tiglionabbit> hmm, what else...  uh, I installed some game things
[08:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, it should only stay until you restart
[08:20] <jasoncohen> or rmmod
[08:20] <jasoncohen> brb
[08:20] <crimsun> whyameye, you could alsa use plughw:0 with aoss
[08:20] <crimsun> err, also^ use ...
[08:20] <tiglionabbit> does anyone know how to really troubleshoot sound?
[08:20] <crimsun> what's up, tiglionabbit?
[08:21] <Heimdall> is there someone to help me ? I 've made a little mistake with GRUB, I have renamed the file menu.lst, and so now I can't boot ..../
[08:21] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: all of a sudden, I can't hear sound from anything except for xmame
[08:21] <TinyIRC> hello there. anyone knows how to install modem in the Ubuntu?
[08:21] <littlered> Where can I tell guification's configure script where gaim is? :3
[08:21] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: this is even after a full restart.  And it didn't happen until just today
[08:21] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, not familiar with xmame. Does it use oss natively?
[08:21] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: no, it's using alsa
[08:21] <whyameye> crimsun: sorry I don't follow. What is plughw:0?  Do you know how I do this. This is a laptop...
[08:21] <tiglionabbit> but oss for a mixer
[08:21] <Yuki> exit
[08:22] <TinyIRC> hello people
[08:22] <crimsun> whyameye, I'm not familiar with your laptop.
[08:22] <TinyIRC> anyone can help me with the modem problem?
[08:22] <jasoncohen> why does that sound howto recommend ALSA over ESD? ESD works fine
[08:22] <tiglionabbit> I set beep-media-player to alsa, and selected my media things as alsa too, and everything was fine for quite a while
[08:22] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: not really..
[08:22] <crimsun> whyameye, plughw:0 is a virtual ALSA device that you can tell your program to use _only_ if the program natively supports ALSA.
[08:22] <TinyIRC> yuhoooo!! anyone here knows how to install modem in the UBUNTU?
[08:23] <crimsun> jasoncohen, esound has horrible latency issues. Applications like mplayer exacerbate it.
[08:23] <reka> TinyIRC: if someone knows, they'll reply
[08:23] <Heimdall> nobody knows grub ?
[08:23] <whyameye> crimsun, so where do I get it or how do I invoke it?
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> lots of documention out on grub and its grubby ussage :P
[08:23] <jasoncohen> i followed the instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 except i kept default sink and source
[08:23] <jasoncohen> ESD/OSS
[08:23] <adwait> TinyIRC: i gues u could just plug it in and thn install drivers for it
[08:23] <mebaran151> Heimdall, I know grub a little
[08:23] <mebaran151> what is the problem
[08:23] <reka> Heimdall: maybe use the install CD in rescue mode, mount the linux partition, and rename it back?
[08:23] <crimsun> whyameye, it's built-in.
[08:23] <hazmat> Heimdall, you'll need to use a livecd to get o a shell, moutn the partition and rename
[08:23] <jasoncohen> so basically what the ubuntuguide says
[08:23] <crimsun> whyameye, your application has to be alsa-native.
[08:24] <Heimdall> I have renamed menu.lst :/
[08:24] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:24] <Heimdall> I have no live cd !
[08:24] <mebaran151> you got problems
[08:24] <adwait> heh
[08:24] <mebaran151> big uns
[08:24] <bigfoot1> a general question: is it true that compiling a program from source is better?
[08:24] <TinyIRC> hello adwait. i check the Modem in the Drivers list and it is there
[08:24] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, can you use beep-media-player with the esound plugin? what's your default sink & source in the multimedia selector?
[08:24] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:24] <mebaran151> bigfoot1, yeah
[08:24] <bigfoot1> How do we compile from sourec anyway?
[08:24] <mebaran151> you can be more aggressive aobut option
[08:24] <mebaran151> well first you need some source to compile
[08:24] <adwait> TinyIRC: well i guess then its installed........u can configure ur dial up connection with pppconf
[08:24] <mebaran151> and then it is usually just
[08:24] <TinyIRC> the thing is that when i go to the network connection and want to add a dial-up it cannot detects the modem
[08:24] <mebaran151> ./configure
[08:25] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: it depends.  First off, it's harder, requires you to have dev libs, and often doesn't have an uninstall ability.  It also may not be as tailored to your OS as a .deb package
[08:25] <mebaran151> make && make install
[08:25] <Yuki> reka: I installed KDE, but it looks the same...:\
[08:25] <mebaran151> you can also use checkinstall
[08:25] <Heimdall> reka : is there a mean to type the boot command manually ? I don't know what to write but maybe some of you do
[08:25] <mebaran151> which makes a pkg for you
[08:25] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, also, did you do the obvious and check to make sure the volume is up on PCM, master and speaker
[08:25] <reka> Yuki: you logged into it?
[08:25] <mebaran151> oh Heimdall do you get a grub prompt?
[08:25] <Yuki> I logged out, and logged back in as myself
[08:25] <Heimdall> mebaran151 yes
[08:25] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: it's at max for master.  How do I check the others?
[08:25] <mebaran151> ok
[08:25] <mebaran151> you arent in such bad luck
[08:25] <_0kills> Yuki, did you switch which window manager to use by clicking the Session option at start up?
[08:26] <Yuki> uh...no...o_o
[08:26] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, also, check to see if you have multiple devices. in volume control
[08:26] <_0kills> hehe
[08:26] <reka> mebaran151: i forgot.  do you omit make when using checkinstall?
[08:26] <Yuki> XD
[08:26] <Yuki> ok
[08:26] <Yuki> brb
[08:26] <mebaran151> doesnt matter
[08:26] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, double click on the volume control icon near your clock
[08:26] <mebaran151> checkinstall will figure it out
[08:26] <mebaran151> I've done it either way
[08:26] <reka> righto
[08:26] <mebaran151> it runs make && make install
[08:26] <Heimdall> ??
[08:26] <mebaran151> oh
[08:26] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: ok, I've turned them all up.  Most didn't allow me to turn them down
[08:26] <mebaran151> what is your root drive
[08:26] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, that'll show you master, PCM and pc speaker. you can also check file > change device to see if you have more than one device
[08:26] <mebaran151> drive one or two
[08:26] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: but still no sound when i try to test
[08:27] <mebaran151> root (hd0,0)
[08:27] <mebaran151> let me copy mine here
[08:27] <mebaran151> like two lines
[08:27] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[08:27] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, do you have more than one mixer in file > change device?
[08:27] <tiglionabbit> whoa
[08:27] <tiglionabbit> zomg sound
[08:27] <tiglionabbit> I switched the device in the volume thing, and turned up PCM1 and PCM2 and I can hear it now
[08:28] <reka> TinyIRC: how so?  did you try the autodetect?
[08:28] <jasoncohen> heh
[08:28] <tiglionabbit> I didn't realize there were so many volume levels hidden in here
[08:28] <jasoncohen> heh, turning up the volume is usually good
[08:28] <mebaran151> Heimdall, root (hd0,0)
[08:28] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, which device did you have to change- ALSA or OSS?
[08:28] <keith_> hey all
[08:28] <Heimdall> mebaran151 to do what ?
[08:28] <hosler> crimsun: im getting problems with only one programs being able to use the sound card with alsa.
[08:28] <mebaran151> at the prompt type
[08:28] <jasoncohen> one should show as an OSS mixer and the other as an ALSA mixer
[08:28] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: I turned up the OSS device and suddenly I can hear sound from ALSA.  Why does that make no sense to me?
[08:28] <mebaran151> root (hd0,0) assuming your first drive is your linux drive
[08:28] <crimsun> hosler, tell the alsa programs to use plug:dmix
[08:29] <mebaran151> then kernel /vmlinuz
[08:29] <Heimdall> mebaran151 : linux is /dev/hda3
[08:29] <hosler> crimsun: where do i do that?
[08:29] <crimsun> hosler, (instead of hw:0 or plughw:0, etc.)
[08:29] <mebaran151> ok
[08:29] <crimsun> hosler, wherever you configure the alsa settings per-application
[08:29] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, both devices control the sound. i need both set or i get no sound as well
[08:29] <mebaran151> root (hd0,2)
[08:29] <keith_> anyone got packetnews to work properly yet?
[08:29] <_0kills> anyone know if KDE uses esd, if not what does it use?
[08:30] <jasoncohen> crimsun, why are there multiple mixer devices which need to be set to control the same soundcard?
[08:30] <mebaran151> kernel /vimlinuz root=/dev/hda3
[08:30] <mebaran151> initrd /initrd.img
[08:30] <mebaran151> boot
[08:30] <ColonelKernel> I seem to be having programs downloading kernel-source
[08:30] <mebaran151> just type those four lines
[08:30] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, well, is sound working again everywhere?
[08:30] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: lol, this is hilariously weird.  xmame reports that it is using the OSS mixer.  However, the volumes on my OSS mixer were way down and inaudible, but I could hear sound from xmame.  When I turned up those volumes, I can suddenly hear sound when I hit the test button for ALSA in my multimedia selector
[08:30] <mebaran151> and you are good to go
[08:30] <ColonelKernel> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:30] <mebaran151> sorry
[08:30] <hosler> crimsun: i have no plug:dmix
[08:30] <Yuki> yay
[08:30] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: yes, everywhere
[08:30] <Yuki> it worked!
[08:30] <Yuki> tyty!
[08:30] <tiglionabbit> thank you so much
[08:30] <mebaran151> kernl /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3
[08:30] <reka> ColonelKernel: programs or problems?
[08:31] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, i have the same issue. both mixers control volume
[08:31] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you probably have two mixers for the same device like i do
[08:31] <hosler> crimsun: only hw:0,0 and hw:0,4
[08:31] <grphx> How come I can print a test page on my printer, but can't print stuff from Gimp?
[08:31] <ColonelKernel> reka, its just me being a ubuntu noob - I dont know what manual to read to get the source code for my currently running kernel
[08:32] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: my volume control has Intel (alsa mixer) and Cirrus Logic (OSS mixer)
[08:32] <FLeiXiuS> ColonelKernel: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:32] <tiglionabbit> when I select preferences
[08:32] <crimsun> jasoncohen, they're not two mixers. They're two views (oss via alsa's oss emulation and alsa natively) of the same mixer.
[08:32] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r`
[08:32] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, ignore that, heh
[08:32] <ColonelKernel> source plz
[08:32] <FLeiXiuS> jasoncohen: linux-image isn't the source :-P
[08:32] <FLeiXiuS> ColonelKernel: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:33] <ColonelKernel> headers isnt source either, is it?
[08:33] <jasoncohen> FLeiXiuS, i know- that's why i told him to ignore it
[08:33] <crimsun> hosler, do you have an audigy-based sound card?
[08:33] <FLeiXiuS> ColonelKernel: yes, headers would be your source.
[08:33] <jasoncohen> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[08:33] <reka> is there a difference b/n linux-headers/linux-source?
[08:33] <Heimdall> damn the mebaran solution does not work
[08:33] <ColonelKernel> jasoncohen, thanks
[08:33] <hosler> crimsun: i have the intel ich
[08:33] <bassgoon> where do you put a command in ubuntu to run on startup
[08:33] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: thank you so much for explaining that to me.  I had no idea the meters for the device I hadn't selected mattered too
[08:33] <crimsun> reka, yes. The headers are the headers; the source is the source. You use the former to compile kernel modules.
[08:34] <reka> and the latter?
[08:34] <bigfoot1> how can i make links in other programs point to galeon, rather than firefox?
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> jasoncohen: linux-headers are more updated and more precise.  Just letting you know.
[08:34] <ColonelKernel> FLeiXiuS, I dont think youre right about that
[08:34] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, it doesn't really make much sense to me either. Just think of it like having two mixers to control the same device and you need both to be set correctly
[08:34] <jasoncohen> FLeiXiuS, he said he needed source- not headers\
[08:34] <jasoncohen> they're not the same
[08:34] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, the meters really don't matter. Like I said, they're two views of the same mixer. You may be less confused if you use amixer directly.
[08:34] <adwait> bigfoot1: system>preferences>preffered apps
[08:34] <reka> bigfoot1: sys > prefs > preferred apps
[08:34] <bassgoon> anyone?
[08:35] <bassgoon> where do I put a command that I want to run on startup
[08:35] <FLeiXiuS> jasoncohen: Ah, thought he was compiling to the kernel :-p...I just walked in excuse my ignorance.
[08:35] <jasoncohen> crimsun, not really- one can be set to 0 and the other to 100
[08:35] <crimsun> hosler, paste me (via pastebin in the topic) the output of cat /proc/asound/devices
[08:35] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: what do you mean?
[08:35] <adwait> reka: ??
[08:35] <adwait> ooh
[08:35] <jasoncohen> crimsun, changing one doesn't change the other. you need to set both
[08:35] <crimsun> jasoncohen, that's an application issue that needs a bug filed with gnome-media.
[08:35] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, startup of the system or of gnome?
[08:36] <reka> adwait: on the contrary...you were too fast. :D
[08:36] <crimsun> jasoncohen, it really has -nothing- to do with alsa or esound.
[08:36] <jasoncohen> i didn't say it did
[08:36] <bassgoon> system
[08:36] <adwait> reka: hehe
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> why is it that xmame reports that the only available mixer is OSS?
[08:36] <bassgoon> I'm a bit of a nub
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> (yet makes sound anyway even when OSS is turned down)
[08:36] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, if xmame is a pure oss app, then it will only support the oss opi.
[08:36] <bigfoot1> any skype users here? I have a hard time closing it from my panel. anybody else have this problem?
[08:37] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, you can go to system > settings > preferences > sessions and add applications to startup programs
[08:37] <jasoncohen> that'll start with gnome
[08:37] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, s/opi/api/
[08:37] <bassgoon> eer, but for the system?
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: it reports that there are several dsp-plugins available, including alsa, but for sound-mixer-plugins it only sees OSS-mixer
[08:37] <hosler> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/17298
[08:37] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, create an init script and update-r.cd scriptname defaults
[08:37] <jasoncohen> also chmod +x script
[08:38] <bassgoon> I'm asking in proxy for my friend...he needs to run a command at boot for networking
[08:38] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, if it has the alsa dsp plugin available, did you enable it? Is it even installed if so?
[08:38] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, the script can be very simple. i have one that just does su -c jason /usr/bin/vnc4server for example
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: huh?
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: how do I do that?
[08:38] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, if xmame reports that it can use alsa, did you select alsa?
[08:38] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, but the first line needs "#! /bin/bash"
[08:38] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, I've never used xmame. You'll need to read the documentation on how to do that.
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: yes, it reports that it is using alsa for its dsp-plugin when it starts
[08:39] <bigfoot1> i have already changed the preferred apps-->Web Browser from Firefox to Galeon, but skype still opens up the chat history in Firefox. What's up?
[08:39] <bassgoon> ah
[08:39] <crimsun> hosler, which apps are you using?
[08:40] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, update-rc.d script defaults will add the script as an init script which can be selected in rcconf or boot up manager
[08:40] <crimsun> hosler, essentially what you need to do is configure ubuntu to use dmix
[08:40] <hosler> crimsun: im testing with xmms
[08:40] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: how do I get alsa-mixer?
[08:40] <bassgoon> jasoncohen, maybe I'm all wrong, but couldn't I just add the command to  /etc/conf.d/local.start
[08:40] <crimsun> tiglionabbit, alsamixer comes with ubuntu
[08:40] <jasoncohen> crimsun, should i bother reporting the issue of multiple mixers? i thought it was a common issue
[08:40] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: then why don't the programs I run detect it?
[08:40] <bassgoon> cause its a pretty simple little thingy
[08:41] <hosler> crimsun: Ok, where do I configure ubuntu to use dmix. I allready looked in the two places you mentioned before.
[08:41] <adwait> m out ppl......bbye
[08:41] <crimsun> jasoncohen, that's not an issue, really, because of the presence of snd_mixer_oss
[08:41] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, i don't even have that file
[08:41] <bassgoon> oh
[08:41] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, init scripts are the recommended method
[08:41] <crimsun> hosler, jasoncohen pasted a link above you may find helpful
[08:41] <jasoncohen> what exactly do you want to start?
[08:41] <bassgoon> perhaps its silly me carrying over from like the 20 differfent distros I've played with
[08:41] <grphx> How hard is it to add "shortcuts" to your desktop?
[08:41] <jasoncohen> hosler, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[08:41] <tiglionabbit> grphx: easy.  Right-click and make a launcher
[08:42] <ivan> is there a way to fix an ext3 partition which gives me this error when i try to fsck: Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
[08:42] <bassgoon> jasoncohen, I believe its ok as long as the command returns control to the shell
[08:42] <tiglionabbit> grphx: you need to know the terminal command to start the program though
[08:42] <jasoncohen> i have a new bookmarks section in firefox for ubuntu related stuff :)
[08:42] <hosler> jasoncohen: ok thanks ill look at it
[08:42] <grphx> I just want to add shortcuts to folders..
[08:42] <ColonelKernel> how do I read gzipped files?
[08:42] <jasoncohen> bassgoon, i prefer this method as you can control whether you want to start the script through rcconf easily
[08:42] <bassgoon> yea
[08:43] <jasoncohen> and then it's just /etc/init.d/service start
[08:43] <tiglionabbit> grphx: oh, in that case, right-click on the folder and select "Make a link"
[08:43] <jasoncohen> if it's not started on boot
[08:43] <Aerebus> is anyone here familiar with customizing splash screens? in ubuntu there is a orangish brown background behind the ubuntu-splash.png, is it possible to change that background color?
[08:43] <tiglionabbit> Aerebus: I believe that is your background color, from system -> preferences -> desktop background
[08:43] <ColonelKernel> im trying to read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
[08:44] <mebaran151> ColonelKernel, you might try unzipping them
[08:44] <mebaran151> file roller is the easiest way
[08:44] <Aerebus> tiglionabbit, i dont think it is i have that option set to black and its still orangish brown =/
[08:44] <vaultspawn> .......How can I install software from the repository????
[08:45] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you sure? for me it's just black there and my background starting up is brown
[08:45] <grphx> So right click on the folder I want to put on my desktop and then click on what?
[08:45] <mebaran151> vaultspawn, gksudo synaptic
[08:45] <humbraro> related to bassgoon's question: does ubuntu have anything equivilant to rc.local, or do you have to roll your own?
[08:45] <mebaran151> we have run levels ....
[08:45] <mebaran151> and you can write your own init scripts
[08:45] <mebaran151> if you really want to
[08:45] <mebaran151> I dont think there is as much one stop shopping for files
[08:45] <tiglionabbit> grphx: make a link
[08:45] <jasoncohen> humbraro, i don't think there's anything like rc.local - you want a generic- drop the crap you want to start on boot but don't feel like making a sys v init file for, right?
[08:45] <mebaran151> you also have a directory
[08:45] <dllh> Brand spanking new to ubuntu here and have some quick questions.
[08:46] <littlered> Damn it. >_>
[08:46] <grphx> "Make a link" is greyed out
[08:46] <littlered> Guifications has screwed up my gaim and now I can't see the tray icon.
[08:46] <humbraro> jasoncohen exactly
[08:46] <vaultspawn> mebaran151: Thanks
[08:46] <jasoncohen> humbraro, i asked that on #debian a few months ago and they just told me to use the method i suggested to bassgoon
[08:46] <dllh> I'm accustomed from FCx to /etc/rc.d/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart|etc. What's comparable?
[08:46] <humbraro> i can make one, but it seems like a  kludge
[08:46] <jasoncohen> humbraro, it's really easy to do and gives you more control as it's a real service
[08:46] <tiglionabbit> grphx: then you don't have write access to that directory..  Kinda sucks nautilus behaves that way...   uh
[08:46] <humbraro> cool
[08:47] <linlin> is ubuntu good for a server, honestly, or would it be better to jsut load debian or centos even
[08:47] <grphx> The folder I'm trying to link is NTSF
[08:47] <tiglionabbit> grphx: you can still make a launcher on the desktop with the command "nautilus /the/directory/you/want"
[08:47] <Heimdall> no mean to get back my menu.lst file from the grub command ?????
[08:47] <jasoncohen> humbraro, just gedit /etc/init.d/service - start with "#! /bin/sh" and then on the next line or the line after put the command you want to run - most likely with a & so it runs without output
[08:47] <jasoncohen> humbraro, then update-rc.d service defaults
[08:47] <jasoncohen> chmod +x service
[08:48] <humbraro> hmm, sysV init scripts are unfamiliar to me, i'm used to bsd style, where they're just executable in /etc/rc.d
[08:48] <jasoncohen> sorry, chmod +x /etc/init.d/service
[08:48] <hosler> jasoncohen: following this tutorial, do I allow the sound server to start at startup, or do i dissable this option?
[08:48] <Razor-X> uggghhh,. i'm tired of watching my parents watch London
[08:48] <humbraro> jasoncohen: thanks!
[08:48] <jasoncohen> hosler, i have it startup - i like the gnome sounds. the ubuntuguide says not to but it works fine for me and i get multiplexing
[08:49] <transgress> libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb <-- has there been any problems with this package?
[08:49] <hosler> jasoncohen: ok
[08:49] <Heimdall> well is there someone here who can give me a basci grub command to boot ubuntu ??
[08:49] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: you're video and audio is mixing?
[08:49] <jasoncohen> hosler, i get gnome sounds while playing rhythbox, amarok, xine, mplayer etc.
[08:49] <Heimdall> basic*
[08:49] <Razor-X> Heimdall: the GRB docs are invaluable
[08:49] <hosler> jasoncohen: cool. im gonna reboot now and test
[08:49] <jasoncohen> Razor-X, video and audio mixing?
[08:49] <jasoncohen> what do you mean?
[08:49] <Heimdall> Razor-X : I don't manage to do something with it
[08:50] <jasoncohen> wiat...why did he reboot?
[08:50] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: that's what muxing (multiplexing) is
[08:50] <Razor-X> mixing audo-and-video streams
[08:50] <jasoncohen> i thought it could be used to refer to having sound from multiple applications simultaneously on a hardware device that doesn't necessarily support it
[08:50] <jasoncohen> the mixing is down on software. that's what ESD does- right?
[08:51] <Razor-X> that's duplexing ;)
[08:51] <jasoncohen> ah
[08:51] <crimsun> no
[08:51] <jasoncohen> no to what?
[08:51] <Razor-X> or, am I wrong?
[08:51] <crimsun> duplex is the in-out view
[08:51] <IceDC571> is sourceforge not working?
[08:51] <crimsun> jasoncohen is correct to think of multiplexing in the esound context
[08:51] <jasoncohen> oh, ok - good
[08:51] <crimsun> Razor-X is also correct to view it as a/v
[08:52] <jasoncohen> i guess i was right that i read that somewhere
[08:52] <crimsun> duplex, in the context of sound, is recording and playback
[08:52] <crimsun> half-duplex, full-duplex, etc.
[08:52] <jasoncohen> yeah, a full-duplex soundcard can play & record simultaneously
[08:52] <ColonelKernel> how do I prevent the gui from loading when I boot up? it doesnt seem to be a runlevel thing
[08:52] <jasoncohen> and that's needed for using audio/video conferencing tools
[08:53] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: it generally is, Runlevel 2 is Terminal
[08:53] <ColonelKernel> well im in runlevel 2 and gnome is up
[08:53] <Razor-X> hmmm....
[08:53] <jasoncohen> can't you just stop gdm from running in rcconf
[08:53] <Razor-X> then quit gnome manually
[08:53] <ColonelKernel> Razor-X, no, im trying to get it not to start when the box boots.
[08:54] <Razor-X> IceDC571: I said above that I don't care about girls
[08:54] <jasoncohen> if gdm doesn't startup you'll be left at the console
[08:54] <ColonelKernel> jasoncohen, that is what I want - to start in console mode and start gnome manually
[08:54] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: disable gdm (or your equivalent desktop manager)
[08:54] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: are you up to a challenge?
[08:54] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, rcconf controls what services are started on boot
[08:54] <ColonelKernel> how do I go about doing that?
[08:54] <Razor-X> live one week in only console mode
[08:54] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, just disable gdm
[08:55] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, sudo apt-get install rcconf
[08:55] <Heimdall> Razor-X : kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5.383
[08:55] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, sudo rcconf (uncheck gdm) , OK
[08:55] <Heimdall> Razor-X : but root ?
[08:55] <Razor-X> Heimdall: hmmmm?
[08:55] <Heimdall> Razor-X : my linux is on /dev/hda3
[08:55] <Razor-X> uhhhhh?
[08:55] <ColonelKernel> jasoncohen, NICE - thanks
[08:55] <Razor-X> I wasn't helping you before.... :(
[08:55] <Heimdall> a type root=/dev/hda3
[08:55] <Heimdall> oh sorry
[08:55] <Razor-X> hehe
[08:56] <Razor-X> I can help though
[08:56] <Heimdall> lol
[08:56] <Heimdall> are you aware of my pb ?
[08:56] <babyfire> hola
[08:56] <jasoncohen> Razor-X, why are you telling him not to use the console? perhaps he wants to learn or maybe he's running a server in which case X is useless
[08:56] <Razor-X> just reiterate it for me, and i'll try to help
[08:56] <babyfire> popsmibisco
[08:56] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: I said, use the console for a week only
[08:56] <Heimdall> renamed the menu.lst file, need to type the grub command to boot and rename it again
[08:56] <Razor-X> as a challenge ;)
[08:56] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, you know you can install a very light ubuntu by typing server at the install prompt
[08:56] <Heimdall> :)
[08:57] <babyfire> i think im in trouble
[08:57] <jasoncohen> ColonelKernel, it'll only install ubuntu-base and not ubuntu-desktop. basically you'll have the basics- no X, gnome etc.
[08:57] <babyfire> what does rm -rf/ do
[08:57] <_0kills> hey, anyone know how to kill the sound in KDE.. (i.e.. in gnome you type pkill esd)
[08:57] <Razor-X> babyfire: DONT DO THAT
[08:57] <Razor-X> now, here's what it does
[08:57] <babyfire> some one told me
[08:57] <babyfire> and i did
[08:57] <ColonelKernel> jasoncohen, ill give that a shot on my server box
[08:57] <Razor-X> OMFG
[08:57] <Heimdall> Razor-X : so I 'm trying to boot with my commands....... but i don't grub very much
[08:57] <jasoncohen> babyfire, rm -rf / will wipe out your entire system
[08:57] <Fikrann> Someone removed his files, eh?
[08:57] <Razor-X> it's called the noob virus for a reason
[08:57] <jasoncohen> if you run it as an admin
[08:58] <Fikrann> heh
[08:58] <jasoncohen> babyfire, not a good idea
[08:58] <Razor-X> someone needs to add taht to the topic
[08:58] <DekaPink> Aaaagh.
[08:58] <jasoncohen> babyfire, hopefully he didn't tell you how to use sudo :)
[08:58] <babyfire> i souldnt trust people
[08:58] <DekaPink> Not my gaim keeps freezing at 'sending cookie' when trying to connect to MSN.
[08:58] <babyfire> am i going to be ok
[08:58] <Razor-X> babyfire: no, that's one of the things you should never do
[08:58] <thenuke_> babyfire: depends.
[08:58] <Razor-X> did you run it as sudo?
[08:58] <jasoncohen> babyfire, well, when you ran it- what happened?
[08:58] <Razor-X> if yes then the answer is "..............."
[08:58] <babyfire> will sudo -k fix it
[08:59] <thenuke_> babyfire: if you do that as a root, it will delete all files on your harddrive
[08:59] <Razor-X> babyfire: if it's running, do it now
[08:59] <jasoncohen> if he did it as root he wouldn't be here now
[08:59] <crimsun> no, sudo -k only invalidates the timestamp. It won't undo a sudo rm -rf /
[08:59] <jasoncohen> assuming he's on the same box
[08:59] <thenuke_> babyfire: if you do that as a user and not as a admin, it will delete only your users files
[08:59] <Fikrann> Razor-X, add 'rm -fr /' to the topic? I would advise against that .. too big probability that someone will run it just because it was 'in the topic'.
[08:59] <DekaPink> Anyone know what the problem might be? :3
[08:59] <jasoncohen> lol, nothing will fix a sudo rm -rf / other than a full restore from a backup of  /
[08:59] <```bulldogg> okay........... I need to find some software to burn dvds.  Can anyone help me?
[08:59] <```bulldogg> peferably something thats gui interfaced
[08:59] <jasoncohen> babyfire, well...does the system still work?
[09:00] <crimsun> DekaPink, the version of Gaim in Hoary?
[09:00] <jasoncohen> don't type in random commands because "someone" said to
[09:00] <Razor-X> Fikrann: what about *DON'T DO THIS* rm -rf / *DON'T DO THIS*
[09:00] <babyfire> ok iit is running
[09:00] <DekaPink> crimsun: 1.3.1, it says.
[09:00] <crimsun> Razor-X, nah. See the thing about Breezy?
[09:00] <linlin> capital -R isnt it?
[09:00] <Razor-X> babyfire: kill it now
[09:00] <Fikrann> ```bulldogg, install k3b
[09:00] <jasoncohen> DekaPink, you're using backports
[09:00] <babyfire> when i put it in it just gave my  command prompt
[09:00] <Razor-X> crimsun: oh, heh, that's true
[09:00] <jasoncohen> DekaPink, oh, and 1.4.0 is in backports now btw
[09:00] <hule> hello.  i have a hopefully quick question.  i just installed Hoary, and I'm trying to get my DLink DWL 520 RevE1 PCI card to work.  I can load the hostap driver, but i can't get it to load firmware.  the hostap stuff makes it hang, and the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DLinkDWL520E1 don't work.  has anyone here gotten it to work?
[09:00] <DekaPink> jasoncohen: Er... How do I fix it? :D
[09:01] <Fikrann> Razor-X, Perhaps that would be enough .. but I still there'd be users dumb enough to run it anyway.
[09:01] <jasoncohen> DekaPink, a) apt-get upgrade to upgrade to 1.4.0
[09:01] <sunrex> ok..
[09:01] <jasoncohen> DekaPink, if that doesn't work (probably won't), go to #gaim
[09:01] <Razor-X> Fikrann: well, it's their problem
[09:01] <sunrex> is there a code to delete EVERYTHING on the HD
[09:01] <jasoncohen> they're pretty knowledgeable..mostly gaim devs
[09:01] <Razor-X> or, someone should program tehir bot to intercept that
[09:01] <babyfire> i guess i didnt crash
[09:01] <```bulldogg> yeah I can do that for the actual burn....and I will use k3b but I need a ripper/decrypter and a compressor
[09:01] <jasoncohen> sunrex, code -... sudo rm -rf / will do that for you
[09:01] <babyfire> so im ok
[09:01] <Razor-X> because that command is much too dangerous for the average user
[09:02] <sunrex> thanks
[09:02] <Fikrann> hule, check if your firmware is in /lib/hotplug/firmware
[09:02] <jasoncohen> babyfire, you might have lost your user files
[09:02] <sunrex> ill be back in 3 hours or so
[09:02] <Razor-X> sunrex: you said that?
[09:02] <jasoncohen> sunrex, don't do that
[09:02] <sunrex> why
[09:02] <babyfire> i just started ive had ubuntu for 27 hours
[09:02] <grphx> What's some good linux video editing software?
[09:02] <jasoncohen> if you want to delete everything on the HD
[09:02] <Razor-X> never say that.... EVER
[09:02] <jasoncohen> just reformat the drive
[09:02] <sunrex> Jasoncohen: why?
[09:02] <sunrex> why not just delete it?
[09:02] <amonkey> grphx, mac os x
[09:02] <babyfire> btw where is my KDE control center
[09:02] <jasoncohen> because it'll be faster and it's stupid to rm -rf / for no reason
[09:02] <Razor-X> because the FS structure stays on the HDD
[09:03] <amonkey> well, it's unix but still
[09:03] <sunrex> no reason..im destroying all files on it and reinstalling
[09:03] <jasoncohen> sunrex, just reformat
[09:03] <hule> Fikrann, I just copied it in.  cross my fingers and reboot?
[09:03] <sunrex> lol how..
[09:03] <jasoncohen> sunrex, in the installer, there's a choice to keep the data or to reformat
[09:03] <pinko> you guys probably shouldn't be saying that in the channel...
[09:03] <jasoncohen> choose to reformat
[09:03] <HappyFool> grphx: maybe you could try cinepaint
[09:04] <Fikrann> hule, pop the card out and plug it in?
[09:04] <Razor-X> reformat wipes the FS of much more cleanly, rm leaves more traces
[09:04] <jasoncohen> sunrex, and you probably just need to reformat / but you can keep /home's data
[09:04] <jasoncohen> why are you reinstalling anyways?
[09:04] <humbraro> sunrex: just do a mk2fs -j /dev/device_to_format - its faster
[09:04] <babyfire> i am going to go drown my self in cable
[09:04] <babyfire> peace guys
[09:04] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:04] <babyfire> laters
[09:04] <jasoncohen> humbraro, he's re-installing. the installer will reformat for him
[09:04] <hule> Fikrann, it's a PCI card. not so convenient to access.  i'll just reboot and hope it works
[09:04] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X: is it ok to use Debian repos in Ubuntu?
[09:04] <jasoncohen> GNULinuxer, no
[09:05] <GNULinuxer> jasoncohen: hmm
[09:05] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: no
[09:05] <jasoncohen> GNULinuxer, first of all, 99% of what's in debian is in hoary
[09:05] <jasoncohen> secondly, it won't work because dependencies are different and naming of packages is different
[09:05] <jasoncohen> why would you want to?
[09:05] <GNULinuxer> jasoncohen: i though the debian repos *might* have more packages
[09:05] <jasoncohen> if you need something from sid you can use backports or hoary-extras. if you don't, just use ubuntu's repositories
[09:06] <jasoncohen> GNULinuxer, hoary has over 16,000 packages
[09:06] <GNULinuxer> jasoncohen: fine ...
[09:06] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: you're better off compiling
[09:06] <jasoncohen> if you enable universe you'll have most anything you would want
[09:06] <hule> do fw_primary and fw_secondary actually work as advertised in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:06] <DekaPink> Damn me and my screwing things up.
[09:06] <jasoncohen> GNULinuxer, read this - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[09:07] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: anything you'ld want in the "universe" ;)
[09:07] <jasoncohen> GNULinuxer, if you use main, restricted, universe, and multiverse you'll have nearly everything in debian and more
[09:07] <jasoncohen> Razor-X, heh
[09:07] <GNULinuxer> jasoncohen: fine, thanks
[09:08] <Fikrann> hule, ah, sorry, I thought you meant PCIMCIA card.
[09:08] <jasoncohen> with main, restricted, universe, multiverse, backports & hoary-extras you basically get everything in sid + marillat minus a few packages
[09:08] <jasoncohen> heh, i tried recompiling the ubuntu update manager for sid...it didn't work too well
[09:08] <jasoncohen> there were too many missing python 2.4 dependencies
[09:10] <jasoncohen> GNULinuxer, is there something in particular you need that you think ubuntu is missing. you can search all ubuntu packages with ubuntu.packages.com
[09:10] <jasoncohen> sorry - packages.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <Fikrann> hule, you might want to try rmmodding the driver and modprobing it back instead of reboot.
[09:11] <jasoncohen> Fikrann, heh, it's so hard getting windows users to restart services/ reload modules. they always think they have to reboot
[09:11] <eskaypey> hey i cant play music in beep
[09:12] <Razor-X> eskaypey: does music itself work?
[09:12] <eskaypey> it just doesnt play, no error no nothing
[09:12] <Razor-X> errr, sound itself
[09:12] <jasoncohen> and it's no wonder why. i was installing updates on my sister's XP box and it wanted me to reboot to complete the install of a tool which assists in upgrades and of course when you install the updates you have to reboot once again and if you don't it pops up with incessant messages telling you to do so
[09:12] <IceDC571> ack.. fedora has packages i want for xmms... why isnt ubuntu as active in the package department?
[09:12] <hule> Fikrann, do i need to tell hotplug to load the firmware, or does it magically figure this stuff out?
[09:12] <eskaypey> yes i can play it in totem
[09:12] <Razor-X> IceDC571: it _is_
[09:12] <Razor-X> what package do you need?
[09:12] <Fikrann> hule, it will figure it out.
[09:13] <reka> eskaypey: try changing the output plugin in preferences
[09:13] <IceDC571> Razor-X: xmms-aac
[09:13] <jasoncohen> eskaypey, right click , choose preferences, plugins > and choose the esound output plugin
[09:13] <jasoncohen> then try again
[09:13] <Razor-X> IceDC571: just use something like VLC or aac playback
[09:13] <Razor-X> or compile it in yourself
[09:13] <jasoncohen> eskaypey, the OSS output plugin doesn't work for some people
[09:13] <reka> jasoncohen: hehe.  when i reinstall windows, almost every single app wants you to reboot
[09:13] <eskaypey> ok i'll try that
[09:14] <IceDC571> Razor-X: its a nightmare to compile yourself.. you need to set a bunch of config files before you do ./configure
[09:14] <jasoncohen> in 98, if you wanted to change your screen resolution you had to reboot
[09:14] <Razor-X> IceDC571: I do it quite often
[09:14] <TinyIRC> Anyone knows how to configure Dial-up in the UBUNTU?
[09:14] <jasoncohen> install a screensaver...reboot!
[09:14] <HappyFool> IceDC571: apt-cache search shows 'xmms-mp4' which apparently plays aac files -- is that what you want?
[09:14] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: i do
[09:14] <Razor-X> IceDC571: the terminal i'm in is compiled that way
[09:14] <IceDC571> HappyFool: there actually is a package in the repository?
[09:14] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: the only hard bit might be getting your modem working
[09:14] <Razor-X> plus I compiled in native twin support
[09:14] <jasoncohen> the last time i restarted my sarge box is when i hooked in the wrong S-video cable and couldn't figure out why tv-out wasn't working and the time before that the power went out
[09:14] <action09> TinyIRC  on another distrib, a long time ago.. i used to use  'pppconfig'
[09:14] <IceDC571> !info xmms-mp4
[09:15] <HappyFool> IceDC571: there's a package called 'xmms-mp4' not 'xmms-aac'
[09:15] <ubotu> xmms-mp4: (a mp4/aac audio player for xmms), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-0.3 (hoary), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[09:15] <IceDC571> omg
[09:15] <HappyFool> ooh
[09:15] <IceDC571> HappyFool: you saved me hours and my life!
[09:15] <HappyFool> IceDC571: ok
[09:15] <IceDC571> thank you
[09:15] <HappyFool> neat. does ubotu know all packages?
[09:15] <Razor-X> hey Sammi_!
[09:15] <TinyIRC> yes, the problem.  the modem is in the device manager but when i used autodect it cannot find
[09:15] <Razor-X> HappyFool: I don't think so
[09:15] <TinyIRC> i use the PPPconfig then add an entry there.
[09:15] <bob2> HappyFool: all the ones in ubuntu, yes
[09:15] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: what modem do you have
[09:15] <HappyFool> bob2: cool :)
[09:15] <Razor-X> bob2: really? everything?
[09:16] <TinyIRC> after that i issue a command pon <connection>
[09:16] <Razor-X> wow, that must take a few gigs
[09:16] <IceDC571> what the crap its not in my repository
[09:16] <IceDC571> lets see whats wrong with my sources file :)
[09:16] <eskaypey> thanks
[09:16] <Razor-X> IceDC571: there's a generic sources.list from somewhere
[09:16] <TinyIRC> i think the problem is how i will update the modem.
[09:16] <bob2> Razor-X: eh? look in /var/lib/apt/lists/ on your machine, that has all the info ubotu needs
[09:16] <HappyFool> !sources
[09:16] <ubotu> methinks sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:16] <Razor-X> Sammi_: so, ah, hey? ^_^
[09:16] <bob2> (and it's on the order of megs)
[09:16] <TinyIRC> anyone can help me make my modem working?
[09:16] <IceDC571> universe-sound eh? is that enabled on default?
[09:16] <Razor-X> bob2: woah, really....
[09:16] <HappyFool> IceDC571: look at that link for a /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:17] <IceDC571> thanks HappyFool
[09:17] <Heimdall> HappyFool ! :-p
[09:17] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: what modem do you have?
[09:17] <HappyFool> hey Heimdall :)
[09:17] <HappyFool> Heimdall: got ADSL yet?
[09:17] <Heimdall> HappyFool : yep, 4Mb now....
[09:17] <TinyIRC> happyFool, i have the internal modem. HS56K
[09:17] <Madpilot> Hi all
[09:17] <Heimdall> HappyFool : little pb should be 8 :)
[09:17] <HappyFool> Heimdall: nice ;)
[09:18] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: it's a winmodem?
[09:18] <Heimdall> HappyFool : not so nice I can't use it
[09:18] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:18] <eskaypey> one more thing guys
[09:18] <HappyFool> Heimdall: i meant the 4Mb :P
[09:18] <Heimdall> HappyFool : yes but 4Mb too I can't use it
[09:18] <eskaypey> when you minimize windows the border shows when it goes down the tray
[09:18] <jasoncohen> so if the itunes m4p files are encrypted, what is used to decrypt them?
[09:18] <Heimdall> because I can't boot my OS :-'(
[09:18] <Razor-X> "Damn you Linus Torvald, why do your children have to be so damn
[09:18] <Razor-X> prolific?"
[09:18] <eskaypey> how do i turn that border off
[09:18] <reka> afternoon jcoxon
[09:18] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:19] <Sammi_> Hello, Razor.
[09:19] <Madpilot> did my part to spread the virus tonight... had my grandfather run a Hoary LiveCD on his Win98 box... :)
[09:19] <grphx> I downloaded a binary for a program I want to use, how can I install it now?
[09:19] <Sammi_> Razor, stop stealing my lines. :P
[09:19] <Heimdall> HappyFool : i've made a mistake, are you familiar with grub ?
[09:19] <TinyIRC> i guess so, it is a Winmodem.
[09:19] <jasoncohen> reka, heh, it's 3 am here :)
[09:19] <Madpilot> sad part was, the LiveCD was about as fast at starting programs & surfing as the installed Win98..
[09:19] <Razor-X> well... I quoted you... -_-
[09:19] <reka> Madpilot: and he used it?
[09:19] <Razor-X> sorry Sammi_
[09:20] <Razor-X> I quoted, rather
[09:20] <Madpilot> reka: yup. showed him FF & OpenOffice
[09:20] <TinyIRC> i check the CD and the drivers is only for Windows
[09:20] <reka> grphx: what prog?
[09:20] <grphx> Cinelerra
[09:20] <bungopolis> What is the base install size for an ubuntu install?
[09:20] <Razor-X> Madpilot: that's moreso true with Windows ME
[09:20] <jasoncohen> reka, where do you live?
[09:20] <eskaypey> is there a way to take the border outline off when the window goes to tray?
[09:20] <bungopolis> I'm deciding on a partition scheme... is 10GB enough?
[09:20] <IceDC571> thats why its not in my repository its already installed.. i am so confused
[09:20] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: i'm going to assume ubuntu does not come with a driver for it (I may be wrong) -- go to http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/, download scanModem and run it to find out what driver you need
[09:20] <Razor-X> Sammi_: it gets real chaotic here, as you can tell
[09:20] <reka> jasoncohen: do a whois. :)
[09:20] <reka> Madpilot: nice.
[09:20] <HappyFool> Heimdall: err, not very, but I know a little bit
[09:20] <Sammi_> I can handle chaos.
[09:20] <Madpilot> Razor-X: Ouch. this is a pretty messed up install of 98, too
[09:21] <Razor-X> Sammi_: heh, well just sit back and watch ^_^
[09:21] <jasoncohen> reka, ah, australia
[09:21] <Heimdall> HappyFool : probably more than me anyway.... I've renamed the menu.lst file :-D
[09:21] <Razor-X> Madpilot: yeah, it's uber-fscked
[09:21] <TinyIRC> hello happyfool, i can see the modem in the device manager but cannot detect in the ppp connection.
[09:21] <Razor-X> Windows ME, I mean
[09:21] <grphx> reka: It's Cinelerra
[09:21] <Heimdall> HappyFool : so now I can't boot anymore
[09:21] <Razor-X> TinyIRC: what's the path to the device?
[09:21] <hule> Fikrann, ok, so hotplug isn't figuring it out (dmesg doesn't it is figuring stuff out), and when i try to grab an IP, it complains about there not being firmware on the card
[09:21] <reka> grphx: ah.  what format is the file in?
[09:21] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: i think you may nonetheless need a specific kernel module (aka driver) for your modem
[09:22] <grphx> Um it opened up with file bender
[09:22] <Madpilot> Razor-X: I'd heard that ME was borked, but that's crazy...
[09:22] <grphx> er file roller
[09:22] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I never thought ME was bad... till a friend begged me to do something about his ME box
[09:22] <Razor-X> I had to install a new OS in 10 minutes, lest ME hang
[09:22] <Razor-X> with no other computer in the house -_-
[09:23] <HappyFool> TinyIRC: google only returns 1 hit (!) for HS56K, so I can't tell what that means
[09:23] <grphx> reka: I opened it up with file roller
[09:23] <reka> grphx: which one did you choose here: http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3 ?
[09:23] <Madpilot> Razor-X: moved him to Ubuntu?
[09:23] <HappyFool> Heimdall: do you have the live cd?
[09:23] <Razor-X> HappyFool: if that was a real word, you woulda google-whacked
[09:23] <HappyFool> Heimdall: or even the install cd?
[09:23] <Heimdall> HappyFool : no
[09:23] <TinyIRC> what path.. i see in the path in the device manager for the ubantu..
[09:23] <Razor-X> Madpilot: Knoppix Live CD, actually
[09:23] <Heimdall> HappyFool : install cd yes
[09:23] <grphx> Cinelerra for i386
[09:23] <grphx> binaries
[09:23] <Razor-X> wasn't acquainted with Ubuntu at the time, i'm not sure it existed, actually
[09:23] <HappyFool> Heimdall: um. ok, i *think* you can get to a terminal with the install cd
[09:24] <reka> grphx: that's an RPM file
[09:24] <Heimdall> HappyFool : oh ?
[09:24] <reka> grphx: convert it to deb using alien: alien <rpmfile>
[09:24] <Madpilot> Razor-X: ah. I'm pretty sure I can get my grandfather over to U.  I am trying to compile a package and it tells me I don't have a C compilier
[09:25] <Razor-X> i've never played an MP4, and have some AAC encoded video
[09:25] <Razor-X> I keep most of my CD rips in FLAC
[09:25] <Madpilot> Razor-X: he's spent a lot of $$$ with various housecall computer ppl. when I hit my Win-knowlege limit...
[09:25] <reka> Madpilot: how old is he?
[09:25] <HappyFool> Heimdall: boot the install cd, start the boot (don't actually install !) and press Alt-F2 to get to a different terminal
[09:25] <Razor-X> mmmm, I love FLAC
[09:25] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: get build-essential
[09:25] <jasoncohen> ```bulldogg, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:25] <IceDC571> Razor-X: me too, but i buy from the iTunes music store
[09:25] <Madpilot> reka: 80 this year
[09:25] <jasoncohen> damn...you beat me to it tiglionabbit!
[09:25] <IceDC571> Razor-X: FLAC is awesome
[09:25] <jasoncohen> but i typed in the full command so hah :)
[09:25] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: sorry =P
[09:25] <Razor-X> IceDC571: yeah
[09:25] <IceDC571> pshh... all that compiling and configuring for nothing
[09:25] <Heimdall> HappyFool : what do you mean by 'start the boot' without installing something ?
[09:25] <IceDC571> but that's the beauty of linux
[09:26] <Razor-X> IceDC571: the more configuring you do, the more customized everything becomes
[09:26] <jasoncohen> ```bulldogg, build-essential has a C compiler and other assorted tools you'll need to build from source and build deb packages
[09:26] <HappyFool> Heimdall: well, you need to boot linux, so you'll need to choose a 'boot option'
[09:26] <Razor-X> my system is custom-tailored to me
[09:26] <HappyFool> Heimdall: on the cd
[09:26] <Razor-X> i'll only make accomodations for a few
[09:26] <Razor-X> (like you Sammi_ ^_^)
[09:26] <Razor-X> or other good friends ;0
[09:26] <HappyFool> Heimdall: it won't actually install immediately
[09:26] <Razor-X> other than that, i'll leave you to flounder in Eterm/emacs
[09:26] <IceDC571> Razor-X: i learned that building from the source is a lot better than installing packages
[09:26] <reka> Madpilot: wow...just that i don't know any old people who use computers
[09:26] <IceDC571> Razor-X: i get to customize about everything that way
[09:27] <Razor-X> IceDC571: good, that's a neccessary lesson
[09:27] <jasoncohen> anyonw know if backports is going to stop making mozilla & mozilla-firefox depend on a backported libgcc1?
[09:27] <Razor-X> Sammi_: mmmmm?
[09:27] <IceDC571> Razor-X: then there
[09:27] <jasoncohen> they shouldn't be backporting important libraries
[09:27] <IceDC571> Razor-X: oops forget that
[09:27] <Sammi_> That seemed random.
[09:27] <MidNightRaVeN> *sigh* so lol has anyone figured out how i can get my DVD's to play in ubuntu =D =D ??
[09:27] <Razor-X> Sammi_: didn't want to loose you in the channel ;)
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: why are you using backports for firefox?  The one in hoary is current
[09:27] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: did you try vlc?
[09:27] <Madpilot> reka: he's always been a gadget freak. PCs are just another gadget!
[09:27] <Razor-X> !vlc
[09:27] <ubotu> rumour has it, vlc is a media player that plays some formats natively.
[09:27] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[09:27] <IceDC571> oh i love whorey
[09:27] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[09:27] <Sammi_> Razor: I was reading the Ubuntu page.
[09:27] <Razor-X> there you go
[09:27] <grphx> How do I tell when alien is done?
[09:27] <Razor-X> Sammi_: ahhh, I see
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> grphx: when you see your command prompt again
[09:28] <Razor-X> if you choose to install, I can walk you through the steps
[09:28] <freddy_> damn
[09:28] <Madpilot> IceDC571: it's spelled "Hoary", actually... :)
[09:28] <Razor-X> and help getting it all customized
[09:28] <freddy_> is messenger down?
[09:28] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: i think that's the last one i have to try.... where can i get the repository address so i can get it?
[09:28] <qt2> easiest way to install azureus on ubuntu...?
[09:28] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I think that was an _intentional_ misprint
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[09:28] <ubotu> sources is probably http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:28] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: if you have universe and multiverse added, then it sohuld be fine
[09:28] <Razor-X> *should
[09:28] <MidNightRaVeN> =/ i searched it and couldn't find anything in synaptic
[09:28] <Madpilot> Razor-X: heh. not really deserved, unless I'm missing something...
[09:29] <Razor-X> no, not deserved at all
[09:29] <IceDC571> hmm.. its not even playing my renamed aac files
[09:29] <IceDC571> something is fishy
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: Hoary just means gray, and has nothing to do with animal prostitution.  No matter how hot that may sound
[09:29] <freddy_> is messenger down ppl?
[09:29] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: XD
[09:29] <IceDC571> freddy_: what messenger?
[09:29] <Heimdall> HappyFool : there is no way to boot something without starting an installation process
[09:29] <Razor-X> freddy_: which messenger?
[09:29] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: =/ i searched it and couldn't find anything in synaptic
[09:29] <```bulldogg> okay to make sure......... you do a ./configure then a make then a make install and then you are done correct?
[09:29] <freddy_> the network of microsoft messenger
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> msn messenger
[09:29] <IceDC571> freddy_: not to me
[09:29] <freddy_> yeah
[09:29] <Razor-X> Jabber, yahoo, MSN, ICQ, AIM, which one?
[09:30] <Razor-X> (and yes, I use 'em all ;)
[09:30] <IceDC571> Razor-X: too late ;)
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> hmm, it's down for me though
[09:30] <DekaPink> Damn it damn it damn it.
[09:30] <DekaPink> I can't get on MSN at all >.<
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> yes, messenger is down
[09:30] <```bulldogg> just want to make sure I have all the steps
[09:30] <reka> ```bulldogg: yes, but you might want to use checkinstall instead
[09:30] <Razor-X> what's the generic sources.list file again?
[09:30] <freddy_> thanks :D
[09:30] <jasoncohen> ```bulldogg, yes- that's generally what you have to do
[09:30] <IceDC571> Razor-X: whats your msn messenger email? i could use another friend since i only have like 2 people who use it
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[09:30] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:30] <HappyFool> Heimdall: it'll first ask for partitioning etc info
[09:30] <Razor-X> Sammi_: then you'll love gAIM (if you don't use it already) or if you want to go CLI, nAIM is nice
[09:30] <HappyFool> Heimdall: it won't install right away
[09:30] <Heimdall> HappyFool : maybe I can type the correct command on the gub prompt
[09:30] <Razor-X> there you are
[09:30] <grphx> I guess it starts to set it up then gives me the command prompt again
[09:30] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: use that link
[09:30] <jasoncohen> ```bulldogg, there's also a package called checkinstall which will allow you to make deb packages. this way you can keep track of the source packages you install
[09:31] <HappyFool> Heimdall: no, you can't do filename manipulation from grub
[09:31] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: it'll have the right sources there =D ?
[09:31] <Heimdall> HappyFool : yes but I can boot no ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: yeah
[09:31] <Heimdall> HappyFool : kernel /boot/vmlinuz etc....
[09:31] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: kk!
[09:31] <HappyFool> Heimdall: ah
[09:31] <jasoncohen> ```bulldogg, instead of doing make install you would do checkinstall -D and give the package a name & description. it can then be removed using apt-get remove package and upgraded later by upping the version
[09:31] <HappyFool> Heimdall: yeah, i guess
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: what about centericq?
[09:31] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: never used it meself
[09:31] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[09:31] <MidNightRaVeN> i love ubuntu and linux... but sometimes it is a true pain to get going.... it's worth it though lo
[09:31] <pix3l> hi
[09:32] <MidNightRaVeN> lol*
[09:32] <Razor-X> I know of nAIM and pork (CLI clients, I mean{
[09:32] <Heimdall> HappyFool could you past me your command to see what it looks like ?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: it's a textmode, yet pretty graphical multiprotocol messenger
[09:32] <HappyFool> Heimdall: ok, stand by
[09:32] <Heimdall> thanks
[09:32] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: gets easier over time
[09:32] <jasoncohen> ```bulldogg, for most purposes ./configure && make && make install is sufficient
[09:32] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: curses?
[09:32] <grphx> Hm apparently it's installed but I can't find it
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> !info centericq
[09:32] <ubotu> centericq: (A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 4.13.0-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1261 kB, Installed size: 3276 kB
[09:32] <Razor-X> grphx: sudo updatedb
[09:32] <Razor-X> then locate the file
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: uh, probably
[09:32] <Razor-X> simple azzat
[09:32] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: i know... but i think having a 64 might be making it a little more difficult lol
[09:32] <HappyFool> Heimdall: ok, there are three commands
[09:32] <Heimdall> yeah
[09:33] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: ahhh, I see
[09:33] <Heimdall> the longer one
[09:33] <Heimdall> :)
[09:33] <Heimdall> kernel ....
[09:33] <reka> grphx: try typing cinerella :)
[09:33] <HappyFool> Heimdall: ok. you know what your root partition etc is?
[09:33] <HappyFool> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[09:33] <Heimdall> it is /dev/hda3 on (hd0,2)
[09:33] <HappyFool> and alsothis:      initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[09:33] <Razor-X> (hd0,2) == /dev/hda3
[09:34] <grphx> That worked
[09:34] <grphx> But it wasn't in my Applications dropdown
[09:34] <Heimdall> ok I have to add vga=777 pci=noacpi remember ?
[09:34] <```bulldogg> okay can I message someone in private about copying dvds?
[09:34] <Razor-X> grphx: doesen't matter
[09:34] <Razor-X> things don't always get added to the menus
[09:34] <HappyFool> Heimdall: i remember you had acpi stuff, yeah
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: why private?  Read restricted, and use k3b
[09:34] <Sunrex> ok i have a clean install
[09:34] <HappyFool> Heimdall: i think you can just tack that on the end
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[09:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:34] <Sunrex> what do i install now to get sound and video up
[09:35] <Sunrex> along with music
[09:35] <Razor-X> sound should already be up
[09:35] <mask2323> fr
[09:35] <Razor-X> Sammi_: you still here?
[09:35] <Heimdall> HappyFool well for two days now, the acpi stuff does not work, thats the reason I changed the menu.lst file
[09:35] <Sammi_> How easy is it to alter the layout of the GUI of Ubuntu?
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: you should be able to run totem right now and play something in it
[09:35] <Razor-X> Sammi_: that depends on the GUI of choice, really
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: you can do anything
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> oops, meant that for sammi
[09:35] <Razor-X> KDE looks nice, and is configureable without much text editing
[09:36] <Razor-X> Gnome doesen't look as nice, and is also configureable without much text editing
[09:36] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, if you have backports & extras, it's as easy as sudo apt-get install mplayer-386 totem totem-xine gstreamer-plugins w32codecs libdvdcss2
[09:36] <Sunrex> KDE were do i get it
[09:36] <Razor-X> you have miscellaneous window managers there that server different purposes
[09:36] <jasoncohen> that should about cover it. you'll need multiverse & universe as well
[09:36] <Razor-X> Sunrex: it's Kubuntu
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: wait, tell him to get the right build of mplayer
[09:36] <Sunrex> is that better the gnome
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: and he'll have totem already
[09:36] <HappyFool> Heimdall: hmm
[09:36] <HappyFool> Heimdall: what changes?
[09:36] <Razor-X> Sunrex: it's a choice of personal preference
[09:36] <jasoncohen> ah, yeah- use the version for your system
[09:36] <HappyFool> changed, even
[09:36] <xinel> think i will try enlightenment
[09:37] <```bulldogg> hmmm
[09:37] <reka> Razor-X: er, kubuntu is a distro
[09:37] <Razor-X> xinel: nice ;)
[09:37] <Sunrex> i want somthing easy to use
[09:37] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, but he'll want totem-xine- it's better than totem-gstreamer
[09:37] <xinel> new install on ma other machine
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: yes
[09:37] <Razor-X> reka: try, I'm relating it to him using something static
[09:37] <Razor-X> *true
[09:37] <xinel> sandboxen :P
[09:37] <jasoncohen> also add xine-ui to that list
[09:37] <Heimdall> HappyFool : I don't know it seems pci=noacpi was removed
[09:37] <jasoncohen> xine-ui is great for DVDs i think
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: why not gxine?
[09:37] <HappyFool> Heimdall: oh
[09:37] <Heimdall> HappyFool : since I had the same mistake I had before
[09:37] <grphx> I guess you have to install something for firewire to work with linux?
[09:37] <HappyFool> Heimdall: yes, you need to add it higher up in menu.lst, so that it is included every time there's a kernel update
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> vlc is a nice addition too, and beep-media-player
[09:37] <Sunrex> whats the easyist lunix OS anyway..
[09:37] <Razor-X> grphx: not sure there, this machine only has USB 1.1 ;)
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: this one
[09:38] <Fikrann> Hey guys.. what may cause this: when I run shell script stored in a user mounted disk, I get following error: bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Access denied. The disk has its fstab entry, and its xfs..
[09:38] <Sunrex> btw totem wont play DVD
[09:38] <Razor-X> Sunrex: Ubuntu ;)
[09:38] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Ubuntu is great for newbs :D
[09:38] <Sunrex> yea..
[09:38] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: read restricted
[09:38] <Heimdall> HappyFool what .?
[09:38] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[09:38] <Razor-X> Tsar_vonHumbug: and non-n00bs too
[09:38] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:38] <Sunrex> ?
[09:38] <Razor-X> because it's non-bloated
[09:38] <HappyFool> Heimdall: let me know when you've booted and I'll tell you where (kopt= line near the top)
[09:38] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, i prefer the interface on xine-ui- it also has more features
[09:38] <Heimdall> oki
[09:38] <xinel> just installed gentoo and used it for a few weeks and its just a pain
[09:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: you mean more buttons that do nothing
[09:38] <Sunrex> how do i install it
[09:38] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, yes it will if you have libdvdcss2 installed
[09:38] <xinel> back to ubuntu
[09:38] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Razor-X, ;)
[09:38] <Heimdall> i'll type what you told me
[09:38] <xinel> :)
[09:38] <Sunrex> well were do i get that?
[09:39] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, no, i mean i find it more attractive and it's easier to control menus, subtitles, and advanced settings + i like the keyboard mappings and they're configurable
[09:39] <Razor-X> errr *cough* I didn't say that.....
[09:39] <HappyFool> Heimdall: you may need a      'root         (hd0,2)'   line as well, i'm not sure
[09:39] <Razor-X> wrong channel >_<
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> !info libdvdcss2
[09:39] <Razor-X> (needs to remember C-x o)
[09:39] <Sunrex> ..firefox wont start
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> okay, it's in backports
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[09:39] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: really?  why not?  (run it from a terminal)
[09:39] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: which vlc should i use??
[09:39] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, you need to add hoary-extras to get libdvdcss2 and w32codecs- the latter has support for divx/xvid, windows media video, quicktime, realplayer
[09:39] <IceDC571> someone didnt package xmms-mp4 correctly, i've tested it thoroughly
[09:39] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: what are the choices?
[09:40] <Razor-X> vlc does it for most
[09:40] <Sunrex> *sigh* whats the easyist one...hoary or gnome..
[09:40] <Razor-X> plain vlc
[09:40] <Sunrex> and were do i get Hoarty
[09:40] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Sunrex, dl an install iso from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[09:40] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and add this line - "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted". then "sudo apt-get update"
[09:40] <Razor-X> Sunrex: gnome is a window manager, hoary is a version
[09:40] <Sunrex> ?..
[09:40] <Heimdall> HappyFool : wow good it seems to work ... it is booting
[09:40] <Madpilot> Sunrex: if you're running the current version of Ubuntu, that's Hoary.
[09:40] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, also make sure all the lines that start with deb have have the # removed
[09:40] <MidNightRaVeN> gnome-vlc, gvlc, kvlc, libvlc0-dev, qvlc, etc. etc.
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: you are using hoary and gnome at the same time right now
[09:41] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: just normal vlc
[09:41] <Sunrex> the one with Ubuntu for the background?
[09:41] <MidNightRaVeN> kk lol i'm guessing that means the one that says just "vlc"
[09:41] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, see http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories for an example of what it will look like - minus backports
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> Sunrex: Hoary is the name of the version of ubuntu, and Gnome is the name of the desktop environment you're using
[09:41] <MidNightRaVeN> i really hope vlc works...
[09:41] <Heimdall> HappyFool : good news I'm under gnome !
[09:42] <HappyFool> Heimdall: good stuff
[09:42] <HappyFool> Heimdall: ok, rename menu.lst first ;)
[09:42] <MidNightRaVeN> what is Hoary anyway?? like literally?
[09:42] <jasoncohen> Sunrex, you can also do all this graphically with synaptic by going to preferences > repositories and adding a custom source with the line i gave you
[09:42] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: it means gray
[09:42] <HappyFool> Heimdall: and near the top, you should see a line like this '#kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro
[09:42] <jasoncohen> you then could select the "show disabled repositories" and enable all the disabled ones
[09:42] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: o, in what language?
[09:42] <jasoncohen> and then reload
[09:42] <Madpilot> "Gray Hedgehog"...
[09:42] <HappyFool> Heimdall: add your vga=777 pci=noapci line to that
[09:42] <tiglionabbit> http://merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoary&x=0&y=0
[09:42] <Heimdall_linux> lol
[09:42] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: english
[09:43] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, I'm here :)
[09:43] <poningru> I had a question
[09:43] <poningru> why arent dpkg double click installable?
[09:43] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: lol huh... never heard of it in any of my English classes...
[09:43] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: ah-ha
[09:43] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: you see what i said about kopt?
[09:43] <Heimdall> yes on this computer
[09:43] <Heimdall> lol
[09:43] <Heimdall> but it is not in the same room lol
[09:44] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: ever read Romeo and Juliet?  They make a joke about it
[09:44] <Heimdall_linux> ok
[09:44] <tiglionabbit> (Romeo's friends do I mean)
[09:44] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: i'll have to reread it cuz i don't remember that in depth
[09:44] <tiglionabbit> k
[09:44] <tiglionabbit> well you'll notice the hoary part then
[09:45] <MidNightRaVeN> i just read it like two weeks ago too
[09:45] <MidNightRaVeN> is there anyway to turn totem off so it doesn't try and autoplay my dvds?
[09:45] <grphx> So is there no good video editing software for linux?
[09:45] <Madpilot> "That even from the hoary head unto the witless child" <-- Shakespeare...
[09:45] <IceDC571> hmm... i dont think apt-file is working for me, how do i use it?
[09:45] <Razor-X> 'Juliet your love hath made me effemiate. And in my temper softened valor' steel"
[09:45] <Madpilot> google rocks, so does inline find
[09:45] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:46] <Sammi_> Google is god.
[09:46] <Razor-X> that's the only non-cliched line of Romeo and Juliet I remember by heart ;)
[09:46] <Razor-X> Sammi_: amen to that
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> funny how you put god in undercase ;-)
[09:46] <Sunrex> WTF I CANT OPEN FIREFOX
[09:46] <xinel> dude caps
[09:46] <Sammi_> Okay, Google is God.
[09:46] <eskaypey> how do i make cd rom icon to not display on desktop when mounted??
[09:46] <Sammi_> ^^
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:46] <Madpilot> there's more than one god. there's only one Google...
[09:46] <Razor-X> Sunrex: no caps, please
[09:46] <Sunrex> Razor-X: sorry
[09:46] <IceDC571> i do apt-file search blahblah.file and it returns nothing
[09:46] <Razor-X> Madpilot: XD
[09:46] <Madpilot> eskaypey: I think you're stuck with it
[09:46] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, kopt line is after a '#' it is a comment no ?
[09:47] <Razor-X> IceDC571: apt-cache search
[09:47] <IceDC571> oh
[09:47] <Razor-X> or, start using aptitude ;)
[09:47] <eskaypey> ahhh thats not good
[09:47] <eskaypey> any other thoughts??
[09:47] <IceDC571> yes, i always use aptitude over apt-get
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> so lol anyone know how to turn autoplay off in totem? i couldn't find it in preferences...
[09:47] <Razor-X> then aptitude search
[09:47] <deFrysk> eskaypey, gnome-control-center
[09:47] <xinel> Sunrex, do a ctrl alt backspace it will restart gnome and try to use firefox again
[09:47] <The_Vox> eskaypey: Control Panel/Desktop/Behaviour/Device Icons
[09:47] <deFrysk> eskaypey, removable drives and media
[09:47] <The_Vox> eskaypey: disable Show device icons:
[09:48] <deFrysk> eskaypey, check the settings
[09:48] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: you really don't like VLC do you? ;)
[09:48] <The_Vox> eskaypey: or whichever individual ones you don't want
[09:48] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: yeah
[09:48] <reka> anyone know of a file splitter/joiner for linux?
[09:48] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: i think update-grub uses it, not grub
[09:48] <Heimdall_linux> so it won't change anything if I put pci=noacpi
[09:48] <The_Vox> MidNightRaVeN: it's somewhere in Control Panel too, but I can't remember where
[09:48] <Heimdall_linux> ah oki
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X: lol i haven't got to try it yet cuz i wanna disable Totem first =D i just don't know how to...
[09:48] <deFrysk> eskaypey, or dont put a cd in your drive
[09:48] <Razor-X> reka: HJSplit, IIRC
[09:48] <The_Vox> Razor-X: are you a vlc developer? :)
[09:48] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: you don't have to
[09:49] <xinel> gawd i love my kvm switch
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: disable totem?  What?
[09:49] <MidNightRaVeN> Razor-X, =/ i dont?
[09:49] <Razor-X> The_Vox: no, a friend of the developer's friend XD
[09:49] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, do you meant that because of a kernel update I had my grub file modified ?
[09:49] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: yip
[09:49] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: of course not
[09:49] <The_Vox> Razor-X: lol! figures :)
[09:49] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: it needed to point at the new kernel image
[09:49] <Heimdall_linux> and it didn't write pci=noacpi
[09:49] <reka> Razor-X: yeah, i think it's w32 only
[09:49] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: cuz when i put a DVD in... it stalls Totem
[09:49] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: exactly
[09:49] <MidNightRaVeN> makes me very angry inside
[09:49] <eskaypey> The_Vox: where the hell is Control Panel
[09:49] <tyler> *twitches*
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: wait...  you men when you put a dvd in, it launches totem?
[09:49] <tyler> is there a good install program that gives me a good ubuntu..
[09:50] <The_Vox> eskaypey: uhm...wait...you on kde or gnome?
[09:50] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: yea...
[09:50] <eskaypey> gnome
[09:50] <Heimdall_linux> and grub-update was used during this update, and should be able to write pci=noaci if I write it juste in the #kopt line
[09:50] <xinel> tyler: its called ubuntu
[09:50] <xinel> :P
[09:50] <tyler> couse no matter what i do whenever i try to install this one its always glitchs
[09:50] <The_Vox> eskaypey: oops :) What I gave you was for KDE :) I have no clue how to disable that stuff in gnome :)
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: funky...   Anyway, you should be able to get the codecs to make totem play your dvds right
[09:50] <xinel> tyler: glitches how?
[09:50] <reka> MidNightRaVeN: sys > admin > removable
[09:50] <eskaypey> The_Vox: its k thanks
[09:50] <deFrysk> eskaypey, what I said earlyer
[09:50] <Madpilot> tyler: check md5sum on your downloaded ISO?
[09:51] <tyler> first...firefox wont open...second i dont got ANY sound...third a few other things
[09:51] <deFrysk> eskaypey, gnome-control-center
[09:51] <eskaypey> deFrysk: ok hang on a sec
[09:51] <tyler> how
[09:51] <Razor-X> codecs... *ewwww>
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: what?
[09:51] <Razor-X> I remember codecs from my Windows days ;)
[09:51] <Razor-X> bad bad stuff
[09:51] <MidNightRaVeN> tiglionabbit: i know... i tried and it would still stall.... =/ and xine always said audio_decoder error
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: okay, packages, off apt
[09:51] <reka> Razor-X: ah! found out hjsplit is linux compatible too.  thanks
[09:51] <MidNightRaVeN> reka: what does that do? remove totem?
[09:51] <xinel> tyler, have u done an apt-get update => apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:51] <Razor-X> VLC totally avoids codec hell, that's why I like it too
[09:51] <tyler> yea,,,but the good thing with windows is everything ran fine right when u installed it
[09:51] <Razor-X> reka: see!
[09:51] <tyler> yes i think
[09:52] <tyler> i did the get update
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yeah but..  how do I make vlc play proprietary stuff?
[09:52] <tyler> not dist
[09:52] <Razor-X> my VLC plays it fine
[09:52] <eskaypey> deFrysk: what settings do i need to check?
[09:52] <Razor-X> not sure why yours doesen't
[09:52] <Razor-X> at least, most stuff
[09:52] <reka> MidNightRaVeN: you can disable it from starting autmatically when a dvd is inserted
[09:52] <Razor-X> if not, you can find more plugins for VLC, or compile in the support
[09:52] <deFrysk> removable drives and media
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: is that so?  Mine crashes
[09:52] <eskaypey> deFrysk: i want it to mount just not on desktop
[09:52] <xinel> tyler, is there a red icon on the top right hand side of your gnome desktop?
[09:52] <tyler> yes
[09:53] <Heimdall_linux> well, again thx a lot HappyFool  :)
[09:53] <xinel> tyler, means u can do some more updates
[09:53] <xinel> might solve ur problems
[09:53] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, you're my linux master !
[09:53] <xinel> might not
[09:53] <MidNightRaVeN> reka: hmmm =/ where is Removable?? I can't find it in Sys > Admin...
[09:53] <tyler> it wont
[09:53] <tyler> i just reinstalled Ubuntu
[09:53] <deFrysk> eskaypey, might be tricky
[09:53] <tyler> couse i had 0 sound
[09:53] <xinel> ah i c
[09:54] <tyler> and the DVD playback went fuzzy...like a TV
[09:54] <xinel> well then have u installed the 686 kernel?
[09:54] <tyler> no
[09:54] <eskaypey> deFrysk: k
[09:54] <reka> MidNightRaVeN: whoops...sys > prefs
[09:54] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: System --> Pref
[09:54] <HappyFool> Heimdall_linux: heh ;) glad to help
[09:54] <Razor-X> xinel: the 686 kernel is only a speed-boost for i686 machines
[09:54] <tyler> is that any good Xinel?
[09:54] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, well now I gotta buy some ram !!!!
[09:54] <xinel> Razor-X, whats the bet he's got a 686 machine
[09:54] <xinel> :P
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: When I try to play some quicktime stuff, VLC crashes and says "Floating point exception"
[09:55] <Heimdall_linux> HappyFool, my linux takes a LOT of memory, it remains only 5Mo .......
[09:55] <MidNightRaVeN> reka madpilot: thx!
[09:55] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: have you googled the errors?
[09:55] <Fikrann> Heimdall, don't worry, it's mostly disk cache.
[09:56] <Belutz> Fikrann: hai again
[09:56] <Fikrann> er, I meant Heimdall_linux
[09:56] <umar> i m using postgresql as my database server in ubuntu can someone tell me some interface design language matching Visual Basic
[09:56] <Fikrann> Belutz, Hello
[09:56] <MidNightRaVeN> do i have to have libdvdcss2 to be able to play dvds?
[09:56] <xinel> tyler, have a read of this mate http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:56] <Belutz> Fikrann: can i install ubuntu from the livecd ?
[09:56] <Razor-X> umar: tcl/tk
[09:56] <Heimdall_linux> Fikrann, ?
[09:56] <xinel> it should answer/help u with most of ur probs
[09:56] <Razor-X> err.. it's not visual
[09:56] <Razor-X> but creates widgets
[09:56] <Fikrann> umar, Learn Python }:>
[09:56] <tyler> i cant
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I don't see anything useful...
[09:57] <Razor-X> there really are no visual languages in Linux, visual languages suck
[09:57] <tyler> Xinel: i cant Firefox doesnt start up
[09:57] <MidNightRaVeN> do i have to have libdvdcss2 to be able to play dvds?
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> what are visual languages?
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: it helps, go get it
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[09:57] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> add a mirror from backports
[09:57] <MidNightRaVeN> awww.... back ports...
[09:57] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:57] <tyler> ah repaired..
[09:57] <Madpilot> is there a "Search for Files" function built into Nautilus? If there is, where's it hiding?
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: be sure to comment it out when you're done
[09:57] <umar> how can i start tcl/tk or python to design interface in ubuntu
[09:58] <MidNightRaVeN> kk =)
[09:58] <Fikrann> Heimdall_linux, most of the memory used by linux are disk caches, to speed up the system. Unless you have very little memory (as in 64MB) you don't have to worry about having virtually zero ram free.
[09:58] <umar> r they already installed or i need to install them/.
[09:58] <umar> ?
[09:58] <Razor-X> umar: they aren't visual languages
[09:58] <MidNightRaVeN> ahhhhh.... linux.... so comfortable
[09:58] <xinel> tyler, open up a terminal window and type "sudo" then ur password
[09:58] <Razor-X> you can't use the mouse to make boxes, or anything like that
[09:58] <Razor-X> MidNightRaVeN: hah
[09:58] <Razor-X> Visual Basic is a crap language anywho
[09:58] <tyler> Xinel:its fixed now i had to do updates
[09:58] <xinel> tyler, nice
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: what exactly defines a "visual language"
[09:59] <xinel> take a look at that webby i posted its very good
[09:59] <Fikrann> Heimdall_linux, even if you had 10GB of ram, after some time it'd be all used up anyway; linux policy is that unused ram is wasted ram.
[09:59] <tyler> Xinel:were are the screen shots for Hoary?
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I thought it was just the IDE
[09:59] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: i'm using his own term, one where you can use the mouse to create programs
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> o.o
[09:59] <Fikrann> Most visual * languages are crap.
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> what, like rpgmaker?
[09:59] <Razor-X> nopes, Visual Basic is actually layed out visually, using the mouse
[09:59] <Razor-X> wors
[09:59] <Razor-X> *worse
[09:59] <Razor-X> even less coding required
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: REALLY?  zomg
[09:59] <unome> how to forward root mail to a regular user?
[09:59] <xinel> tyler, there are sometimes screenshots at www.ubuntuforums.org
[09:59] <MidNightRaVeN> you know what linux is as good as? some old school jazz lol
[10:00] <Heimdall_linux> Fikrann, yes maybe but you know, I have 2*128Mo on my laptop, and I see that it is very slow....
[10:00] <xinel> tyler, u can also do a google search for some
[10:00] <HappyFool> Razor-X: ever used LabView?
[10:00] <Razor-X> HappyFool: nopes
[10:00] <HappyFool> Razor-X: in that you 'draw' for loops
[10:00] <Razor-X> HappyFool: odd....
[10:00] <Razor-X> is the language useful?
[10:00] <Heimdall_linux> Fikrann, so maybe if I had just a little more i should be much better
[10:00] <HappyFool> Razor-X: well, it's mostly for connecting systems/signals
[10:00] <HappyFool> Razor-X: in which case the drawing paradigm is less strained
[10:00] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[10:01] <stisev> ok guys
[10:01] <HappyFool> this was a few years ago, they may have improved that aspect
[10:01] <stisev> someone help me with a non-ubuntu issue
[10:01] <Fikrann> Heimdall_linux, on 256MB you should have no problems running GNOME .. it might be tad little for KDE, though.
[10:01] <stisev> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PH6VT3-SP
[10:01] <tiglionabbit> stisev: what makes you think it's in our contract to do that?
[10:01] <Razor-X> my programming skills have definitely atrophied, I may pickup Python again...
[10:01] <stisev> tiglionabbit: hear me out =p
[10:01] <stisev> I bought that plug outlet (8) but my plugs aren't fitting. WTF?
[10:02] <stisev> There's these grey barriers inside of the plugs.
[10:02] <stisev> they prevent the plugs from going in
[10:02] <Fikrann> Vive le Python!
[10:02] <xinel> stisev: pull them out
[10:02] <stisev> I can't/
[10:02] <HappyFool> maybe you're supposed to take the grey bits out ;)
[10:02] <Razor-X> I learned Python late though, my second-to-last language
[10:02] <tiglionabbit> stisev: try turning the plugs around so the other prong goes in each slot
[10:02] <stisev> xinel: how?
[10:02] <stisev> tiglionabbit: tried that several times.
[10:02] <HappyFool> or maybe you're supposed to use special plugs, like in a ups setup
[10:02] <Razor-X> over time, most of my languages have left, save QBASIC, because of the sheer programming experience I had wiht it
[10:02] <stisev> HappyFool: o_O
[10:02] <Razor-X> and all the engines I crafted
[10:02] <tiglionabbit> stisev: lol, I thought so
[10:02] <Heimdall_linux> Fikrann, indeed I have gnome, but it is slow for runnig applications, firefox with x-chat and azureus and mercury
[10:02] <Heimdall_linux> and a term
[10:03] <stisev> http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=220
[10:03] <Heimdall_linux> and so it is VERY slow then
[10:03] <stisev> there's the apc site
[10:03] <stisev> APCs new SurgeArrest was designed in response to customer requests for additional safety and convenience features. APC introduced plug-activated safety shutter and cord management to deliver increased security and ease of use, while superior power line and data line surge protection prevents damaging surge and spikes from ever reaching your equipment.
[10:03] <HappyFool> stisev: i don't have a clue really, sorry
[10:03] <Razor-X> *RPG engines
[10:03] <stisev> whoops
[10:03] <stisev> sorry
[10:03] <MidNightRaVeN> *sigh* should the backport source look like this? "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp"
[10:03] <xinel> just mess with them untill u can pull them out
[10:03] <tiglionabbit> Heimdall_linux: how fast is it without azureus?
[10:03] <stisev> "APC introduced plug-activated safety shutter "
[10:03] <stisev> WTF?
[10:03] <MidNightRaVeN> cuz it's not working and i dunno what i'm missing =(
[10:03] <jeroen_> MidNightRaVeN: no, read their site for mirrors
[10:03] <Belutz> Heimdall_linux: what's software is mercury?
[10:03] <jeroen_> !backports
[10:03] <ubotu> from memory, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:03] <Fikrann> Heimdall_linux, blame azureus, then.
[10:03] <Heimdall_linux> tiglionabbit, no no it is not my connexion :)
[10:03] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, did u get ur nvidia card up and running?
[10:03] <HappyFool> stisev: can't you go to the place you bought them?   Not sure about libtool
[10:04] <HappyFool> stisev: heh. well, you asked us :P
[10:04] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: tried bittornado?
[10:04] <Heimdall_linux> well it won't be bad to had memory no ??? :-D
[10:04] <stisev> heeh
[10:04] <tyler> right..
[10:04] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: yeah
[10:04] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, i should be able to...what happened yesterday, all of the sudden the connection was all weird, i think the problem may have been on my end but im not sure
[10:04] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: and sorry i just disappeared last night but my DSL went capoot
[10:04] <tyler> can you give me the link to all the extra downloads
[10:05] <Razor-X> I get 2 k/s for reasons I can't comprehend
[10:05] <IceDC571> Razor-X: lol there isnt a libtool-dev
[10:05] <Razor-X> while Azureus gives me a steady 100
[10:05] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, oh, never mind then lol
[10:05] <newbie> gm78 xubek tuguibabbut thanx i need to transfer files between to specific pcs though not to search and download
[10:05] <Razor-X> *110
[10:05] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: really?  Okay, maybe it's just something about java on my computer then, because i seriously can't run azureus.  It always screws up
[10:05] <Razor-X> IceDC571: time to compile a lib XD
[10:05] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: yea lol it was my crap DSL... sorry
[10:05] <gm78> newbie, what OS' are the systems running
[10:05] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: same here
[10:05] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: especially in windows
[10:05] <Razor-X> I heard the newer version fixed it, there is a fix
[10:05] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, oh, no prob, my cable connection is pretty bad somedays
[10:05] <newbie> gm78 one linux the other window
[10:05] <Razor-X> it's RAM, actually, that's why
[10:05] <greg> i can't boot into my fresh installed upuntu ppc, got a kernel panic; pivo_root: no such file...
[10:05] <tyler> how do i get real player 10?
[10:05] <stisev> ^^^^^ ???
[10:05] <stisev> Why would you WANT real player?
[10:06] <liz4rd> lol
[10:06] <xinel> tyler, that site i posted answers that :P
[10:06] <tyler> lol
[10:06] <gm78> newbie, ull want to set up samba, it lets u share the files like u would between two windows pcs
[10:06] <tiglionabbit> you don't need realplayer, get totem-xine instead
[10:06] <jeroen_> stisev: you don't, it's non-free binary-only :/
[10:06] <Razor-X> last 2 milestones were very ineffecient
[10:06] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: do you think i don't have the nvidia card updated that could be why dvds won't play?
[10:06] <HappyFool> IceDC571: try installing 'libtool'
[10:06] <tyler> ,,*sigh* great that was before i had to restart
[10:06] <xinel> bbl
[10:06] <Razor-X> HappyFool: for compilation, you need the dev package as well
[10:06] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: think since i dont*
[10:06] <IceDC571> yeah its trying to find /bin/libtool but it isnt there, so im thinking of searching an doing a little ln -s hopefully
[10:06] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, lol, could be lots of things...open a private chat with me again so u can post ur xorg.conf file
[10:07] <newbie> gm78 and i can use it over the internet i used to use ssh but my friend on the windows os do not like it
[10:07] <tyler> Tiglionabbit:were do i get the totem-xine
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> tyler: run synaptic, and get it
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> !totem-xine
[10:07] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I haven't a clue
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> oops
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> !info totem-xine
[10:07] <ubotu> totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 633 kB, Installed size: 3788 kB
[10:07] <gm78> newbie, windows pcs, when u set up a network, use the smb network protocol, samba is that implemented on linux
[10:07] <GNULinuxer> is there any handy utility to monitor traffic on my eth0 ?
[10:07] <tyler> ,,but were do i get it,,
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> ah, it's universe.  You'll need to read the repositories thing
[10:07] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i think libtool is different
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[10:08] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:08] <IceDC571> ahah.. ln -s /bin/libtool /usr/bin/libtool :)
[10:08] <greg> GNULinuxer: iptraf, iftop, ntop ...
[10:08] <tyler> mmm how do you install PHP?
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> tyler: does that explain it to you?  When you add the proper repositories, synaptic will be able to find the package if you search it
[10:08] <GNULinuxer> greg: i just need it to monitor how much data is downloaded over eth0
[10:08] <newbie> gm78 so i can set one folder on my linux machine to share through samba and my friend can log on to it right
[10:08] <Madpilot> tyler: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[10:09] <freddy> so
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> !info php4
[10:09] <ubotu> php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[10:09] <greg> GNULinuxer: ifconfig, but the counters tend to overflow quite often
[10:09] <freddy> if i insert a cdrom...i should see it on the desktop automatically...right?
[10:09] <Madpilot> tyler: that'll get you Apache, MySQL & PHP
[10:09] <jeroen_> freddy: yep, if there's anything on it
[10:09] <freddy> well, its not working
[10:09] <GNULinuxer> greg: it should save history ...
[10:09] <freddy> :(
[10:09] <freddy> its not doing anything
[10:10] <tyler> is Apache 2 easy to install
[10:11] <Madpilot> tyler: it is thru Synaptic. (or apt-get...) check that URL I just posted
[10:11] <tyler> i mean to install lol
[10:11] <greg> GNULinuxer: you could combine rrdtool and a little bit of shell scripting
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[10:11] <ubotu> [synaptic]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:12] <gm78> newbie yep, thatll work
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> tyler: synaptic is a wonderful program that gets software and installs it for you
[10:12] <tyler> !sambar
[10:12] <GNULinuxer> greg: I am looking at cacti ... but even after installing it, i don't see any graphs
[10:12] <ubotu> I don't know, tyler
[10:12] <IceDC571> how do i know which makefile i'm making from
[10:12] <Whistler> can anybody explain netcat syntax to me?
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: specify it to make, there's an option for that
[10:13] <greg> GNULinux: have you RTFM ?
[10:13] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: make -f themakefile
[10:13] <egi> !info netcat
[10:13] <ubotu> netcat: (TCP/IP swiss army knife), section net, is optional. Version: 1.10-27 (hoary), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 228 kB
[10:14] <Madpilot> !samba
[10:14] <ubotu> I guess samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:14] <Madpilot> tyler: spelling counts... ;)
[10:14] <rage> Please forgive my ignorance but does Ubuntu use x.org or XFree86?
[10:14] <GNULinuxer> rage: xorg
[10:14] <rage> Thanks :-)
[10:14] <xinel> rage: nothing to be sorry about dude
[10:15] <amonkey> what linux software can i use to take the audio out of a video and mp3 it?
[10:15] <IceDC571> omg i got it to make i got it to make i got it to make!!!!!!!!! :)
[10:15] <HappyFool> amonkey: i would guess mplayer (or mencoder?)
[10:15] <```bulldogg> man this thing is pissing me off........... everything I try to install it says it has unresolved deps.. and I try to resolve those and I get more unresolved deps
[10:15] <bigfoot1> to fellow Galeon Users: how can i make a smart bookmark for Ubuntu Forums Search?
[10:16] <rage> Well, time to give Ubuntu a try then. :-) Wish me luck
[10:16] <bigfoot1> In other words, what should I have in the "Smart URL" text box?
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: are you using ubuntu, or Red Hat?  Set the repositories right, and you wont have problems
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[10:16] <ubotu> hmm... sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: use this sources.list and you shouldn't have any problems
[10:16] <```bulldogg> okay can you help me do that real quick tiglionabbit ?
[10:17] <tyler> !Abyss
[10:17] <ubotu> tyler: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: sure.  Go to applications -> run application and type in "gksudo gedit" to get the editor to run as admin.    It feels quiet
[10:20] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: well, the admins will clean it every once in a whil
[10:20] <tiglionabbit> e
[10:21] <tiglionabbit> !bush
[10:21] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:21] <tiglionabbit> aw
[10:21] <```bulldogg> !sources
[10:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:21] <tiglionabbit> yeah, use those sources and you should be peachy
[10:21] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: do you use backports hoary-extras?
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: I comment it out most of the time, I think
[10:22] <tyler> so anyone here use Abyss Web Server?
[10:22] <```bulldogg> I put it in there says it can't find it
[10:22] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: right. thanks. guess i'll just live with old marillat w32codecs ;)
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: I got w32codecs from backports, yes, as well as libdvdcss2
[10:23] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: too many "it"'s there -- could you be a little more specific ? ;)
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> and java and gstreamer0.8-lame
[10:23] <tyler> does apache have a control panel?
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: okay, so you've completely replaced your sources.list with the thing on that pasteboard, and now which program are you using to download with?
[10:24] <```bulldogg> I put that addy in the source list file and it says it can't find it... and errors
[10:24] <```bulldogg> ohh okay wait a minute lol
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> can't find what?
[10:24] <HappyFool> tyler: try maybe webmin-apache ?
[10:25] <bigfoot1> to galeon users: how can i make mailto links use the web version of gmail?
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: are you using apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic?
[10:25] <unome> ubotu biff is a little program that notifies you with a message that you have mail, but only in virtual terminal. You can turn it off or on any time using biff y or biff n
[10:25] <ubotu> unome: okay
[10:25] <tyler> Happyfool: whats webmin-apache?
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> unome: I thought biff was just a really bad website designer that turned out to be a usenet joke.  Or was that B1FF ?
[10:26] <HappyFool> tyler: "This module allows webmin (a web-based interface for system administration for Unix) to configure almost all Apache directives."
[10:26] <Madpilot> !biff
[10:26] <ubotu> well, biff is a little program that notifies you with a message that you have mail, but only in virtual terminal. You can turn it off or on any time using biff y or biff n
[10:26] <unome> tiglionabbit: biff used to be stantard loaded with Debian
[10:27] <HappyFool> and sys v, probably :P
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> ubotu magicaltrevor is a wizard that everyone loves because his tricks are so clever
[10:27] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[10:27] <arjuna> hallo
[10:27] <tyler> Happyfool:were do i get that
[10:27] <Whistler> can anybody explain netcat syntax to me?
[10:27] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: ??? :)
[10:27] <HappyFool> tyler: from the standard ubuntu repositories
[10:27] <```bulldogg> tried synaptic
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget magicaltrevor
[10:28] <ubotu> i forgot magicaltrevor, tiglionabbit
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: what, you've never seen http://weebls-stuff.com ?
[10:28] <HappyFool> tyler: you'll need to add the 'universe' repository
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: hit the refresh button on synaptic after you save the file
[10:28] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:28] <HappyFool> !sources
[10:28] <ubotu> methinks sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:28] <bigfoot1> I'm trying to run zynaddsubfx, but i get this message: ERROR: Cannot make a jack client.
[10:28] <bigfoot1> what should i do?
[10:29] <HappyFool> tyler: go and read those two urls -- they'll tell you how to enable the standard repo's
[10:29] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: is that the badger badger badger guy?
[10:29] <```bulldogg> okay do I replace that file that I downloaded with the one thats there now?
[10:29] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: yes
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: also known for Kenya, Magical Trevor, and the everyday happenings of Weebl and sometimes Weebl's friend Bob
[10:30] <ColonelKernel> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libp/libpng3/libpng12-dev_1.2.8rel-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch <-- is there anything I can do about this or do I have to wait for the server to fix this file?
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> ColonelKernel: delet the "us" in that repository url
[10:30] <HappyFool> ColonelKernel: change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:31] <ColonelKernel> thank you both
[10:31] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: which file did you download?
[10:31] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: heh. my education continues... must not get that d*mned song stuck in my head again...
[10:31] <tyler> how do i add pages to apache..
[10:31] <```bulldogg> the post_38.txt
[10:31] <admin0> tyler, you add pages in the directory.
[10:31] <Whistler> can anybody explain netcat syntax to me?
[10:32] <tyler> admin0: but were IS the directory =/
[10:32] <tyler> admin0: apache2?
[10:32] <HappyFool> Whistler: what do you want to know? And what are you trying to do?
[10:32] <admin0> /var/www/html ?
[10:32] <admin0> aah
[10:32] <admin0> look for document root in the conf
[10:32] <```bulldogg> the post_38.txt HappyFool
[10:32] <Whistler> HappyFool i wanna learn how to use netcat i type nc <IP_ADDRESS>:port but it gives me an erros
[10:33] <Whistler> HappyFool i wanna learn how to use netcat i type nc <IP_ADDRESS>:port but it gives me an error
[10:33] <Whistler> so how should i write?
[10:33] <Raskall> Whistler: man netcat
[10:33] <HappyFool> Whistler: try 'nc <IP_ADDRESS> port'  where port is a number
[10:33] <HappyFool> Whistler: reading the man page would be a good idea
[10:34] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[10:34] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:34] <tiglionabbit> he means that
[10:34] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: you can just cut-and-paste the stuff from the pastebin into /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:34] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: you are editing that file with gedit, i believe
[10:34] <mik__> hello.. I have a little question about mozilla nightly builds - I had download build:20050708 (Deer Park)- it runs much faster than firefox from Ubuntu. Can somehow install plugins from ubuntu into that browser?
[10:34] <tiglionabbit> !sources blah blah testing ?
[10:34] <ubotu> No idea, tiglionabbit
[10:34] <```bulldogg> okay are you talking the stuff up in the colored window
[10:35] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: um. the coloured window in your browser?
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: get the stuff from the textarea.  You don't want the line numbers included
[10:35] <```bulldogg> okay......... so up in that area but don't take the line numbers with?
[10:35] <mik__> anyone using Deer Park?
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: just copy from the textarea below

[10:35] <```bulldogg> and then erase all those links that are in the file and add these
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: links?  The links are important
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: they are urls where apt can find packages for you.  You better read about apt
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[10:36] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[10:36] <ubotu> from memory, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[10:36] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: that's your homework for today
[10:36] <Hieronymus> !sources
[10:36] <ubotu> somebody said sources was http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:36] <```bulldogg> okay.................so I want to just paste the ones I find on that webpage into that file
[10:37] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: that should work
[10:37] <action09> !woman
[10:37] <ubotu> action09: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:37] <action09> :(
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> !info woman
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> damn
[10:37] <action09> :)
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> apt-get install chicks
[10:37] <deFrysk> tiglionabbit, use sudo ;p
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> !porn-get
[10:38] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, tiglionabbit
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> !porn
[10:38] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Wish i knew
[10:38] <HappyFool> heh
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> hey, where'd my porn entries go
[10:38] <Hieronymus> tiglionabbit: install proview and stfu
[10:38] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: are you getting anywhere?
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu porn-get is http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/
[10:38] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[10:38] <```bulldogg> I will be right back... on the machine I am working on......................... this is really irritating me......... no it errored out again
[10:39] <Yann2> hi
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: it's not "erroring".  It's telling you useful information which you should learn to understand, by reading the wiki
[10:39] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: maybe one should recommend using synaptic to enable repositories ;)
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: yeah...
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[10:39] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:39] <Yann2> i got a problem with the backports; i used the two linux given by http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and I get the following error :
[10:39] <Yann2> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> I've !s everything I can.    Why'd he leave..
[10:40] <Hieronymus> Yann2: try sudo apt-get update
[10:40] <Hieronymus> see if that fixes it
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> Yann2: you must use a backports mirror, not backports itself
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[10:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> oh wait, that is a mirror, sorry
[10:40] <```bulldogg> okay I am back here is what happened when I did what I thought you said.... here is the errors
[10:40] <HappyFool> maybe the mirror is broken
[10:40] <HappyFool> don't paste here, please
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: it's not "erroring".  It's telling you useful information which you should learn to understand, by reading the wiki
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: and to paste stuff, use a pastebin
[10:41] <```bulldogg> The following problems were found on your system.....................deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:41] <```bulldogg> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:41] <```bulldogg> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:41] <```bulldogg> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:41] <```bulldogg> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> !pastebin
[10:41] <ubotu> [pastebin]  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[10:41] <```bulldogg> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[10:41] <HappyFool> sigh
[10:41] <Yann2> i get no error with apt-get update
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: WE SAID DON'T PASTE HERE
[10:41] <Yann2> but no package to be updated
[10:41] <```bulldogg> sorry
[10:41] <Yann2> so i think doesn't working either
[10:42] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a paste-bin?
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: if you must paste, use a pastebin
[10:42] <Xyc0> I am compiling gaim-irchelper and getting craploads of errors, anyone know where i can find the packages?
[10:42] <```bulldogg> okay I am not sure what you mean by paste bin
[10:42] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[10:42] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[10:42] <Whistler> is pascal aviable via apt-get?
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> Xyc0: if it says you do not have something, look on synaptic for what it asks for with the -dev suffix on it.  You need -dev libraries to compile things
[10:43] <Hieronymus> Whistler: try
[10:43] <gm78> Whistler, u can search for programs using synaptic or apt-cache search
[10:43] <Hieronymus> Whistler: apt-cache search pascal or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I get nothing from searhcing for pascal, Hieronymus
[10:44] <Xyc0> tiglionabbit: Wow that totaly slipped my mind, thx
[10:44] <Hieronymus> tiglionabbit: maybe you need to enable universe
[10:44] <Hieronymus> !sources
[10:44] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: i get many hits. 'gpc', for one
[10:44] <ubotu> sources is probably http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:44] <Hieronymus> !repositories
[10:44] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> Hieronymus: oh whoops, forgot to make it search by description
[10:45] <tyler> how do i put some new pages for my website in the Directory...it wont let me move it there
[10:45] <Hieronymus> tiglionabbit: so.. problem solved?
[10:45] <```bulldogg> okay I did it
[10:45] <```bulldogg> the paste thing
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> Hieronymus: what problem?  It wasn't my question =P
[10:45] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: where? ;)
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: paste the url here
[10:45] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: please give us an url
[10:45] <Hieronymus> tiglionabbit: sorry, too sleepy still
[10:45] <Yann2> mmmh I don't get error messages any more, but there still is no package to upgrade.... it must still not be working :/
[10:46] <tapo> hi, I am searching for pnet debs (dotGNU) in version 0.7.0. is there a good apt source somewhere?
[10:46] <```bulldogg> I clicked on a url above and then put a message in
[10:46] <```bulldogg> http://pastebin.com/309903
[10:46] <```bulldogg> I hope thats what you want
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> good dog
[10:46] <```bulldogg> man I am really starting to get fustrated
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: could you paste the full error there?  I doubt apt-get gives errors in that format
[10:47] <tyler> how do i move files to my WWW folder?
[10:47] <tyler> it wont let me =/
[10:47] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: can you please also paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin?
[10:47] <Hieronymus> tyler: maybe you don't have write access for it
[10:47] <```bulldogg> okay
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: and if you want to learn linux, it's going to be a little bit of new stuff.  You're going to have to be patient and read a little to get this
[10:47] <tyler> i dont..
[10:47] <tyler> but how do i set it?
[10:47] <Hieronymus> tyler: you could try with (gk)sudo
[10:48] <tyler> ?
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> tyler: it's a shell command.    That would give you the permissions
[10:49] <tyler> LOL
[10:49] <tyler> thks
[10:49] <Xyc0> or you can create a root pwd
[10:50] <Xyc0> and login as root
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> Xyc0: that is far worse
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> Xyc0: quite unadvisable
[10:50] <```bulldogg> well tiglionabbit I am no expert and will never claim to be... but I have run Redhat, Fedora... pretty much the same thing, Suse, Mandrake and never had this kind of trouble
[10:50] <adwait> ppll help me out here.......my net is suddenly very slow....
[10:50] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: ok, this should be easyish to fix
[10:50] <Xyc0> well if we are tempting the linux goda
[10:50] <Whistler> can anybody reccomend file manager same as total cmd for windows?
[10:50] <Xyc0> gods*
[10:50] <adwait> some sites are opening up fine, others are very very slow, ipv6 is disabled
[10:50] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: can you please close synaptic, if you are running it ?
[10:50] <```bulldogg> closed
[10:50] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: and do you still have the gedit session editing sources.list open?
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: once you learn to use synaptic, you will probably find that it is much better than any of those RPM-based distros you've used before
[10:51] <```bulldogg> yes
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: so, did you read all the wikis I wanted you to yet?
[10:51] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: ok, we're going to remove some of the repository lines you have there
[10:51] <```bulldogg> okay
[10:51] <```bulldogg> no tiglionabbit haven't had the chance yet
[10:51] <ColonelKernel> wow - nice distro - everything works from the getgo
[10:52] <ColonelKernel> thats new
[10:52] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: lines 6,7 11,12, 24 and 25  - put '#' at the beginning of those lines
[10:52] <tyler> *bump*
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: well, bookmark them.  They should explain all of this stuff to you, and then you wont need our help
[10:52] <Xyc0> anyone get FBSplash working on ubuntu?
[10:52] <tyler> does this mean PHP is running? <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[10:52] <tyler> lol
[10:52] <```bulldogg> where I have lines of text?
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> tyler: that command will print out all information about your php install in html format
[10:52] <ColonelKernel> is there any way to add the pleasant colors to the bootup process?
[10:52] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: um
[10:53] <tiglionabbit> pleasant colors?
[10:53] <tyler> right...but SOULD it show that on the webiste?
[10:53] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: i don't understand your question. I want you to put a '#' character in at the start of those lines
[10:53] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: i'm using the line numbers shown here: http://pastebin.com/309904
[10:53] <adwait> tiglioabbit: u mean like the function phpinfo()
[10:53] <adwait> ?
[10:53] <```bulldogg> okay so you want a # in front of the sixth line of acutal text and so on
[10:54] <tiglionabbit> adwait: yes, when used in a .php file, in the syntax tyler said
[10:54] <adwait> hmm
[10:54] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: yeah. only the line numbers will be different -- you have added a 'here is the contents of my file' to the pastebin
[10:54] <adwait> if tht function shows up a whole lot of info, php is running
[10:55] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: look here: http://pastebin.com/309907
[10:55] <tiglionabbit> when you view it in firefox, if it's just a blank page you don't have php
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: you understand the concept of commenting, right?  Done any shell scripting?
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: I'd suggest he comment out his cdrom too
[10:56] <```bulldogg> okay now I did that... not very much shell at all... would like to learn how
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> the first line
[10:56] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: you reckon?
[10:56] <```bulldogg> I do understand the commenting thing
[10:56] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: ok, save the file, and restart synaptic
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: it's what I do
[10:56] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: i'm on dial-up. i don't ;)
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: ah, I'm on broadband =P
[10:57] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: you can comment out the cd-rom line too, if you wish. it probably doesn't matter right now
[10:57] <```bulldogg> no that did not work... more of the same
[10:57] <HappyFool> hmm
[10:57] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: ok, close synaptic
[10:57] <```bulldogg> I did
[10:57] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: can you start terminal (Applications -> System tools -> terminal)
[10:57] <jacquesmerde> hey, what happening with a fix for umount/eject? is one still being considered? has one been done?
[10:57] <```bulldogg> sure terminal is open
[10:57] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: now type 'sudo apt-get update' and please paste the output of that command to the paste-bin
[10:57] <adwait> '
[10:58] <HappyFool> one of my keys is squeaky *annoyance*
[10:58] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: I think it would be best for him to just read the wikis.  He's used linux before.  He should know that it takes a little rtfm-ing.  And the wikis are very friendly anyway
[10:58] <james> hey
[10:58] <tiglionabbit> !rtfm
[10:58] <ubotu> well, rtfm is Read The "Fine" Manual
[10:58] <```bulldogg> its updating
[10:58] <tiglionabbit> hello james
[10:58] <adwait> "Fine"
[10:58] <adwait> :p
[10:59] <```bulldogg> yeah no errors just updated
[10:59] <tiglionabbit> adwait: that's what my CS professor says =P
[10:59] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: ok. maybe synaptic just got confused. after the apt-get update is finished, try synaptic again
[10:59] <james> wot the...........
[10:59] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: good
[10:59] <adwait> hehehe
[10:59] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: i guess. imo editing text config files can be confusing
[10:59] <```bulldogg> yep it appears to be alright now........ thanks
[10:59] <tyler> were do i get PHPMYADMIN?
[10:59] <adwait> i wonder wht he says FOOBAR means
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: to newbies, yes.  But the wiki covers using synaptic too
[11:00] <Hieronymus> !foobar
[11:00] <ubotu> Hieronymus: Are you smoking crack?
[11:00] <Hieronymus> No I am not, ubotu
[11:00] <Hieronymus> !info foobar
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> adwait: foo bar baz qux are what you call "metasyntactical variable names"
[11:00] <jacquesmerde> sorry to repeal, but what is happening with a fix for umount/eject? is one still being considered? has one been done? if someone can't tell me, can someone tell me how to find out with a project like ubuntu? is there a dev wiki or something? the forums weren't helpful...
[11:00] <Madpilot> !fubar
[11:00] <ubotu> Madpilot: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:00] <IceDC571> who uses foobar2000?
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> jacquesmerde: a fix?  It works for me
[11:00] <```bulldogg> geez all  I wanted tonight was to install a debian distro and pull down some programs to copy my dvds lol
[11:00] <adwait> uuh....i mean to ask fubar
[11:01] <adwait> normally known as fucked up beyond an repair
[11:01] <adwait> :d
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: it's actually very easy
[11:01] <bob2> jacquesmerde: "fix"?
[11:01] <adwait> !fubar
[11:01] <ubotu> adwait: Are you smoking crack?
[11:01] <claint> or beyond all recognition
[11:01] <Madpilot> adwait: "fouled"...
[11:01] <IceDC571> !info pornview
[11:01] <ubotu> pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 676 kB
[11:01] <```bulldogg> well I got the distro installed... and thats as far as I have gotten
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> !porn-get
[11:01] <ubotu> hmm... porn-get is http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/
[11:01] <adwait> lol
[11:01] <adwait> lololol
[11:01] <Hieronymus> ubotu: foobar is variables are often used in computer programming examples.
[11:01] <ubotu> Hieronymus: okay
[11:01] <Hieronymus> !foobar
[11:01] <ubotu> somebody said foobar was variables are often used in computer programming examples.
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> Hieronymus: variables ^THAT^ are
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> or which
[11:02] <Hieronymus> tiglionabbit: yes, I saw it. How do I fix it?
[11:02] <Hieronymus> !help
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget foobar
[11:02] <ubotu> i forgot foobar, tiglionabbit
[11:02] <jacquesmerde> tiglionabbit, bob2: while it works for a vast majority of people, there are still a LOT of people for whom it doesnt. someone mentioned nicking supermount/submount from mandriva/suse
[11:02] <```bulldogg> can anyone tell me what programs I might use.... I already have k3b installed
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: there are a bazillion programs you might use
[11:03] <bob2> jacquesmerde: by "not work", you mean "some people don't umount things before trying to eject them"?
[11:03] <jacquesmerde> a lot of people have to do a sudo eject to open their cdrom drives
[11:03] <Madpilot> ```bulldogg: gnomebaker?
[11:03] <bob2> jacquesmerde: and supermount is a terrible hack
[11:03] <```bulldogg> I want easy... perferably gui
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: use the search feature, and sections, and the net, to look around through things you might be interested in
[11:03] <bob2> jacquesmerde: have they filed bugs about that?
[11:03] <Hieronymus> ubotu: foobar is variables which are often used in computer programming examples (like: sudo apt-get install foobar)
[11:03] <ubotu> Hieronymus: okay
[11:03] <Hieronymus> !foobar
[11:03] <ubotu> well, foobar is variables which are often used in computer programming examples (like: sudo apt-get install foobar)
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: oh, and be sure to install chromium and neverball for your amusement
[11:03] <adwait> jacquesmerde: is there a reason ur nick means jack's shit?
[11:03] <claint> Hieronymus : is a variable.
[11:03] <Hieronymus> good bot, ubotu !!
[11:04] <```bulldogg> chromium is a anti-virus software isn't it?
[11:04] <Hieronymus> claint: according to Wikipedia they are 2 variables
[11:04] <Hieronymus> foo and bar
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: no, it's a space shooter
[11:04] <jacquesmerde> bob2: well, different people have had different problems. the simplest problems have been solved by a simple manual umount. others not so much
[11:04] <claint> then say foo and bar are variables
[11:04] <```bulldogg> I will go get those right now with synaptic
[11:04] <bob2> jacquesmerde: if they want it fixed, they have to file bugs
[11:04] <Fikrann> ```bulldogg, You might want to install Vega Strike as well }:>
[11:04] <HappyFool> ```bulldogg: synaptic has a 'search' feature
[11:04] <Hieronymus> claint: okay :)
[11:04] <jacquesmerde> bob2: looking at people's replies to people asking for help on ubuntuforums, it sounds like devs are aware of the problem. just wondering what is being done about it...
[11:04] <bob2> yes, "foo" and "bar" are two different but common variables
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> baz qux
[11:05] <bob2> jacquesmerde: bah, posting on forums != filing a bug
[11:05] <jacquesmerde> bob2: i'll search ubuntu's bug thing now
[11:05] <bob2> jacquesmerde: afaik no developers spend time looking for complaints on the forums
[11:05] <jacquesmerde> o
[11:05] <Hieronymus> ubotu: forget foobar
[11:05] <ubotu> Hieronymus: i forgot foobar
[11:05] <jacquesmerde> i'll search the bugzilla
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> when I started programming my bullshit variables were tup and yut
[11:06] <bob2> chromium is a game, which has one of the best bugs, ever
[11:06] <```bulldogg> well those are on there way
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> bob2: bugs?  What bugs?
[11:06] <Madpilot> a "best bug"?
[11:06] <Madpilot> oxymoron, surely?
[11:06] <brenner> it's unbeatable :)
[11:06] <IceDC571> like a bug mobile
[11:06] <IceDC571> yay!
[11:06] <IceDC571> a car...
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> you mean the bug aliens that you shoot at?
[11:06] <jacquesmerde> bob2: there seems to be a fair few bugs listed on bugzilla related to ejecting cds...
[11:06] <bob2> Madpilot: tiglionabbit http://bugs.debian.org/177244
[11:07] <Fikrann> nomasteryoda, that you can't finish it.
[11:07] <```bulldogg> I have not had a good day........ just went out and bought a 220 dollar graphics card for my computer........... it sucks to much power have to get another power supply
[11:07] <Fikrann> er, I meant tiglionabbit
[11:07] <bob2> jacquesmerde: cool
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> lol what the
[11:07] <Hieronymus> ubotu: foobar is a combination of foo and bar, and is often used in programming examples (like 'sudo apt-get install foobar')
[11:07] <ubotu> Hieronymus: okay
[11:07] <Hieronymus> !foobar
[11:07] <ubotu> [foobar]  a combination of foo and bar, and is often used in programming examples (like 'sudo apt-get install foobar')
[11:08] <Hieronymus> arg
[11:08] <bob2> Hieronymus: just fyi, you can talk to the bot in /msg to teach it things and test the results
[11:08] <HappyFool> Hieronymus: is it really worth it ? ;)
[11:08] <jacquesmerde> bob2: ok, i've found a few of the bugs i'm interested in... how do i find out what's being done about them? are the bugs discussed on bugzilla?
[11:08] <bob2> jacquesmerde: yes, or on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[11:08] <bob2> jacquesmerde: there may have been discussion at the last conference, whichwould be recorded on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:09] <brenner> ```bulldogg: what card?
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> I once made a silly little program in perl that let you teach a thing words like ubotu does.  Only, I allowed you to teach it the word "is" as well, so you could come up with some interesting sentences
[11:09] <jacquesmerde> bob2: thanks.
[11:09] <kjon> I have a question. I burned all my apt cache, but I wanna to apply all the updates without being connected to internet.   Unless you're a caveman
[11:10] <jacquesmerde> bob2, nothing at udu :(. i'm waiting for this to get fixed so i can come back to ubuntu from arch
[11:10] <```bulldogg> does that gnomebaker.......... compress and burn to dvds?
[11:11] <whiprush> jacquesmerde: search for "eject" on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: I don't know, but it sure does make some tasty toasted gnomes
[11:11] <```bulldogg> lol
[11:11] <whiprush> 10 bugs filed.
[11:11] <jacquesmerde> whiprush: i did. a few bugs reported. not much activity though
[11:11] <sam_> adom is much more interesting than nethack
[11:11] <IceDC571> why would gnomebaker compress dvds?
[11:11] <HappyFool> yeah, killing watchmen gives me 'transgressed' status. i'm dead
[11:11] <HappyFool> adom?
[11:11] <whiprush> jacquesmerde: limited resources dude, things suck like that sometimes.
[11:12] <kjon> I need help with apt!!!   It has a neat message for that too
[11:13] <claint> Hieronymus : that's more like it ;-p
[11:13] <kjon> I burned all my /var/cache/apt/archive to cd. Now I want to update another computer with these files; but this computer isn't connected to internet. How do I do that?
[11:13] <Hieronymus> claint: yep :)
[11:13] <linuxboy> has anybody done irda in linux?
[11:13] <visor> what does foo bar stands for? i mean where did it come from?
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> visor: read the jargon file
[11:13] <visor> tiglionabbit: ok then
[11:13] <Hieronymus> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> !jargon
[11:13] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: No idea
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> ubotu jargon is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/
[11:14] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[11:14] <```bulldogg> man my computer boggs when I try and start those games
[11:14] <kjon> any hint? :?(
[11:14] <adwait> hey wht does tht little brown bar below  the list of ppl in the room, in x chat stand for?
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> did I get the right jargon file there?  Usually it's like a dictionary
[11:14] <linuxboy> has anybody done irda in ubuntu?
[11:14] <HappyFool> adwait: i think it's a ping meter of some sort
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget jargon
[11:15] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: i forgot jargon
[11:15] <thegrok> hi everyone
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> ```bulldogg: whats your specs?