[05:56] <cdnpenguin> I have a broadcomm, works fine
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> I am using the bcm43xx driver in the 2.6.22 kernel
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> but the ndiswrapper has worked in the past, the fact that iwconfig shows something here is promising
[05:57] <stdin> edgar: you need to reassociate with the access point
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, we actually have broadcom drivers now? wow...
[05:57] <edgar> how?
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> yuo
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> erm yup
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> I am using it right now
[05:58] <cdnpenguin> first of all edgar, is this a laptop your are on?
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> so no more "this laptop doesn't use broadcom for wifi, right?"
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:58] <edgar> yea
[05:58] <edgar> :)
[05:58] <cdnpenguin> well, I still have an unholy hate on for broadcomm
[05:58] <intelikey> stdin yeah i had all the test/install lines up top then as an after thought mofed them within respective functions...    so   if you notice anything else that looks out of place just  kick me.      that was the rough draft anyway
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> like me with ati...
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> anyway...
[05:59] <cdnpenguin> and supposedly there is not full throughput yet, which is not an issue at my apartment (too many other APs to get even close)
[05:59] <cdnpenguin> me and ATI as well
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> edgar, anyway, do you know the name of the network you are trying to reach?
[06:00] <cdnpenguin> iwlist eth1 scanning
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> or that works too :)
[06:00] <edgar> linkseys
[06:00] <edgar> is one
[06:01] <edgar> dont remember the others
[06:01] <mortici> whats the best way to upgrade to kubuntu 7.04
[06:01] <cdnpenguin> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, you'd better take it from here, my wifi is pretty rusty...
[06:01] <cdnpenguin> I have been a long time wifi user
[06:02] <cdnpenguin> more of a lontime wifi fighter
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:02] <edgar> so
[06:02] <edgar> should i put that?
[06:02] <redshadowhero> wifi fighter?
[06:02] <cdnpenguin> this stuff always seems to fight you the whole way
[06:02] <redshadowhero> thats classic
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> mine works, i just almost never use it (intel chipset)
[06:02] <intelikey> i'm a one day networker   PERIOD
[06:03] <edgar> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[06:03] <edgar> ?
[06:03] <cdnpenguin> looks right
[06:03] <edgar> nothing happend
[06:03] <cdnpenguin> then dhclient3 eth1
[06:03] <cdnpenguin> should grab an IP
[06:04] <cdnpenguin> before you try that
[06:04] <cdnpenguin> if you cannot connect, try ifdown eth0
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, see if its even up? ie ifup?
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> :)
[06:04] <cdnpenguin> tough to tell
[06:04] <stdin> intelikey: I'd do a check to make sure all the tools are installed, like dnsmasq, ipmasq and ipmasq-kmod too
[06:05] <cdnpenguin> when I first got this laptop, the card would associate and then die after ~200 KB
[06:05] <edgar> shits fialing
[06:05] <edgar> :(
[06:05] <edgar> failing
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> edgar, can you paste the output of the ifdown cmd?
[06:05] <cdnpenguin> does iwlist eth1 scanning do anything?
[06:05] <intelikey> stdin did i miss some?   checked for ssh iptables and dnsmasq   i think they will depend on the rest
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> one cool thing about the kernel drivers for the bcm43xx is that kismet works with them
[06:06] <edgar> edgar@edgar-laptop:~$ ifdown cmd
[06:06] <edgar> ifdown: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[06:06] <edgar> edgar
[06:06] <stdin> intelikey: ahh, yes. <- brain fart
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> I never did get the ndiswrapper to work with kismet
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> sudo ifdown
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> it will take your wired network offline
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> edgar, sorry, sudo ifdown eth1
[06:07] <cdnpenguin> so don't do it until you get an ip from the wireless lan
[06:07] <stdin> intelikey: and where is ip.conf from?
[06:08] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30862/
[06:08] <intelikey> stdin i use it to set static ips for several boxen.          [ -f /etc/ip.conf ]  && . /etc/ip.conf || Q='<IP_ADDRESS>'
[06:08] <intelikey> stdin if it's not there it just defaults to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:08] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I was just woundering
[06:08] <intelikey> server defaults to  <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:08] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30862/
[06:09] <edgar> thats what it did
[06:09] <stdin> intelikey: oh, and you seem to still start sshd even if /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run exists
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> edgar, ok now sudo ifup eth1
[06:10] <intelikey> stdin hmmmm  i'll  look into that.
[06:10] <cdnpenguin> ifup only really works if there is an entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:10] <stdin> intelikey: you run the test, then exit 0 anyway. but there is no test on the functions exit status anyway, just the test
[06:11] <cdnpenguin> edgar: what happens when you try this command:
[06:11] <klobster> if I install the libcdio-cdda0 and libcdio-paranoia0 wwill my cd rippers rip digitally, or do i need to configure something?
[06:11] <cdnpenguin> lsmod |grep 80211
[06:11] <intelikey>          have to barrow this monitor for a minute.   but i'll bring it back.
[06:11] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30863/
[06:11] <edgar> that
[06:12] <Agent_137> grrr.
[06:12] <Agent_137> i keep getting "enter valid installation path" when i try to get the flash tarball installed
[06:12] <Agent_137> and i'm wondering if i can't just drag the contents into the right spot with a sudo'd konqueror
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, ok, this has officially jumped past my wifi knowledge level
[06:12] <cdnpenguin> heh heh
[06:13] <cdnpenguin> its not that bad
[06:13] <cdnpenguin> I am just trying to figure out what driver he has loaded
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, i figured what with the lsmod and all :)
[06:13] <stdin> edgar: post what "iwlist eth1 scann" shows to pastebin
[06:13] <edgar> sudo?
[06:14] <edgar> sudo iwlist eth1 scann?
[06:14] <stdin> edgar: no sudo, and only 1 n
[06:14] <cdnpenguin> I don't need it
[06:14] <intelikey> ok sdtin i'll make the /usr/bin/sshd  a variable and if that test fails i'll blank it    errr set it to  :
[06:14] <stdin> typo
[06:14] <cdnpenguin> iwlist eth1 scanning
[06:14] <stdin> cdnpenguin: scan == scanning
[06:14] <edgar> no scan results
[06:14] <stdin> it's a "shortcut" to it
[06:14] <mortici> whats the best way to upgrade to kubuntu 7.04
[06:14] <mortici> from 6.10
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> !upgrade | mortici
[06:15] <ubotu> mortici: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:15] <cdnpenguin> I edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <edgar> :|
[06:15] <cdnpenguin> changed edgy to feisty
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> mortici, do you have /home on a seperate partition?
[06:15] <cdnpenguin> then aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:15] <mortici> no i don't think so
[06:16] <mortici> no i don't
[06:16] <edgar> man
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> mortici, then i would suggest what cdnpenguin said
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> that is not neccesarily the "best" or "easiest" way :)
[06:16] <edgar> ubuntu is too damn complicated
[06:16] <stdin> intelikey: you could just wrap check_for_no_start in an if statement, and change the exit code to 1 if the no-run file exists
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> compared to what edgar
[06:16] <edgar> they need to make a dvd one with everything included
[06:16] <edgar> windows
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> ah
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> I thought you might be a troll
[06:16] <edgar> damn why kubuntu gotta be so beautiful
[06:17] <edgar> what?
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> nothing works like you describe on windows either
[06:17] <edgar> :o
[06:17] <edgar> have u been toying with me?
[06:17] <intelikey> well stdin after review it seems that if the nostartup is there then the script exits   so it's sufficient
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> my Dad;s laptop is a case in point
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> no, I am trying to help
[06:17] <edgar> but u said im a troll :o
[06:17] <stdin> intelikey: ah, ok
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> some very smart people helped me, I am taking my turn :)
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> edgar, no, he said he thought you *might* be one
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> well, bringing up the windows comparison is flame bait
[06:18] <edgar> i think some things like a wireless card, should not be this hard
[06:18] <DaSkreech> in any case
[06:18] <DaSkreech> edgar: based on what?
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> and yes, I was specific in my choice of words :)
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> this is not a technical problem
[06:18] <edgar> out of the box stuff
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> it is easy with the proper hardware
[06:19] <cdnpenguin> it is broadcomms fault
[06:19] <edgar> :
[06:19] <edgar> (
[06:19] <cdnpenguin> not linux
[06:19] <edgar> :(
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> edgar, broadcom cards are notoriously bad for linux compatibility
[06:19] <cdnpenguin> edgar, one final command for you
[06:19] <edgar> man, i love this kubuntu. Looking beautiful. Now I might have to go back to windows. Screw you Bill you win again :(
[06:20] <edgar> whats the command sir?
[06:20] <cdnpenguin> uname -r
[06:20] <DaSkreech> edgar: how are you on the net btw?
[06:21] <cdnpenguin> btw, on my last laptop, I had a Prism54 card supported out of the box
[06:21] <edgar> ethernet
[06:21] <cdnpenguin> which was better than windows on the very same laptop
[06:21] <edgar> dell makes ubuntu laptops now
[06:21] <edgar> 8)
[06:21] <edgar> they need to put kubuntu
[06:21] <edgar> kde > wack fat gnome
[06:21] <DaSkreech> preach :)
[06:22] <stdin> edgar: it's only an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop away
[06:22] <edgar> yea but sometimes it screws up
[06:22] <edgar> good for dell though
[06:22] <cdnpenguin> on a clean install it shouldn't
[06:22] <edgar> not being bastards and all
[06:22] <cdnpenguin> and don't touch /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <cdnpenguin> and stay away from automatix
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, heh, my intel card works flawlessly on my hp
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, so well, in fact, ive forgotten most of my cmd line wifi stuff
[06:23] <edgar> what was that last command?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> I've never had to get Wifi to work
[06:24] <edgar> man look at that dell laptop they got for 774, beautiful
[06:24] <edgar> $774
[06:24] <cdnpenguin> uname -r
[06:25] <edgar> 2.6.20-15-generic
[06:25] <cdnpenguin> ok, and then what about "lsmod |grep 80211"
[06:27] <cdnpenguin> ya, intel may have turned a page with their linux support
[06:27] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30867/
[06:27] <edgar> what u mean?
[06:27] <edgar> intel is bad or good?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> edgar, good as of late
[06:28] <DaSkreech> they have open source drivers
[06:28] <cdnpenguin> edgar:
[06:28] <cdnpenguin> sudo aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:29] <edgar> ayo
[06:29] <edgar> domincian republic is full of crooks
[06:29] <edgar> so if i gotta download something
[06:29] <edgar> it might take a while lol
[06:30] <edgar> thier internet only goes to 384/downstread
[06:30] <edgar> strema
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Not following that logic at all
[06:30] <edgar> its slow internet
[06:30] <cdnpenguin> it should not be that big of a download
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> where I live we have sick bandwidth
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> a local ISP offers 25Mbit connection
[06:31] <edgar> DAMN
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> I had it for a month, and it was as fast as advertised
[06:31] <edgar> wheres that?
[06:31] <edgar> must be FIOS
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> Calgary
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> in Canada
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> I am now slumming it on a 10 Mbit connection
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> for less than $50 CDN
[06:32] <edgar> lucky bastard
[06:32] <edgar> i lived in NC
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> the joys of 2 massive ISPs going head to head for 15 years
[06:32] <edgar> we would be the last state
[06:32] <edgar> to get FIOS
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> this is over cable
[06:33] <cdnpenguin> so pretty much the whole city has access
[06:33] <cdnpenguin> our telco and cable companies have fibre everywhere
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, heh, paying almost that much for a lousy 400k...
[06:34] <cdnpenguin> I have wanted to live elsewhere for 10 years
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, well, that and cable
[06:34] <cdnpenguin> but I can't leave my bandwidth behind
[06:35] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30868/
[06:35] <edgar> did yall get that paste?
[06:36] <clever_> alguem pode me ensinar a instalar programas no ubuntu studio/
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !br
[06:37] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[06:37] <DaSkreech> I think :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !ubuntustudio
[06:37] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[06:37] <edgar> usted
[06:37] <edgar> sabes espanol?
[06:37] <NickPresta> !javaws
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about javaws - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !es
[06:37] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:38] <DaSkreech> !java | NickPresta
[06:38] <ubotu> NickPresta: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:38] <klobster> what is the command to test speed on your hard drives?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> hdparm
[06:38] <klobster> does it work for cd drives?
[06:38] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, I already have all the sun-java6-* packages but apparently they don't include javaws when the java5 packages did.
[06:39] <cdnpenguin> dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:39] <DaSkreech> no clue :)
[06:39] <edgar> for me?
[06:39] <edgar> ?
[06:40] <cdnpenguin> yes
[06:40] <DaSkreech> edgar: No for NickPresta
[06:40] <edgar> but he just said it was for me
[06:40] <edgar> dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:40] <DaSkreech> sudo I think
[06:40] <edgar> da
[06:40] <edgar> edgar@edgar-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:40] <edgar> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: bcm43xx-fwcutter is broken or not fully installed
[06:41] <cdnpenguin> sudo aptitude reinstall bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:43] <khaije1> isn't there a cd maintained somewhere with FOSS apps for windows?
[06:43] <khaije1> i'm looking for it now and can't remember what it was called....
[06:43] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30870/
[06:46] <cdnpenguin> there is something messed with your install edgar
[06:46] <cdnpenguin> I would also do the "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[06:46] <edgar> oh ye
[06:46] <edgar> i aint upgraded
[06:46] <edgar> and with only 30kbps
[06:46] <edgar> i aint going to. Ill just install windows :/
[06:47] <edgar> thhanks for your help
[06:47] <khaije1> edgar: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:47] <cdnpenguin> he is "free" to do what he wants
[06:47] <cdnpenguin> ditto
[06:47] <DaSkreech> edgar: upgraded ?
[06:48] <cdnpenguin> I no longer have the fight to jest about conversions anymore :)
[06:48] <edgar> ?
[06:49] <cdnpenguin> I have been a linux user for a long time
[06:49] <DaSkreech> cdnpenguin: http://www.thewebsbest.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=70&Itemid=27
[06:49] <elite101> help my kopete froze i cant rite click on it to close it at all
[06:49] <cdnpenguin> I am not going to convert any more than I have
[06:49] <edgar> man i love kubuntu
[06:49] <edgar> :(
[06:49] <khaije1> cdnpenguin: still a failed linux baptism, is kinda sad
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> elite101, alt-f2, then xkill
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> elite101, then click on the window
[06:49] <edgar> and i want a linux laptop but their video card sucks on the cheap one
[06:50] <elite101> thanks
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> elite101, nice little rick to remember
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> edgar: go with an intel chipset.  it sounds like a bad idea, i know, but they're well supported :)
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> *trick
[06:50] <edgar> man i think thats what i had in my old PC
[06:51] <edgar> shit was trash
[06:51] <edgar> on linux
[06:51] <edgar> super slow
[06:51] <edgar> 1gig ram too
[06:51] <edgar> :(
[06:51] <edgar> everyone kept saying it was the video card
[06:51] <edgar> and i had the intel chipset
[06:51] <edgar> but it couldnt get fixed
[06:51] <intelikey> ok it works on both the server and client end,  can be called as an init script or not.     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38418
[06:51] <cdnpenguin> that was funny skreech
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> elite101, that's another nice thing about linux, you can kill just about anything instantly either that way or via cmd line
[06:52] <intelikey> stdin i'm calling that finished     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38418
[06:52] <intelikey> latereee  you all...
[06:53] <cdnpenguin> have a good night all
[06:54] <NickPresta> doesn't intelikey want a mkdir -p on line 32?
[07:05] <elite101> wow lol i used xkill on kopete missed the windows and hit the taskbar and it disapperd try to bring it up by clicking on the desktop it just went black the screen but i can still see my mouse
[07:06] <elite101> will kubuntu idle the hardrives after a while or shut them off i was going to leave my pc running overnight
[07:07] <DaSkreech> elite101: alt+ctrl+Esc
[07:07] <elite101> whats that for?
[07:07] <elite101> to get out of the black screen
[07:07] <elite101> nvm xkill shortcut
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:09] <elite101> but will kubuntu idle my hardrive? and shut it off i dont wanna move themouse in the morning and then hear the harddrive click on so harshly
[07:09] <DaSkreech> I think so
[07:09] <elite101> i dont care if it idles but if it shuts off i am downloading from ktorrent
[07:11] <DaSkreech> then it it won't
[07:11] <evil-rhino> how do i set kedit (instead of kate) as a default text editor?
[07:11] <elite101> okay
[07:12] <evil-rhino> er nevermind, i figured it out.
[07:28] <NickPresta> >_>
[07:29] <redshadowhero> What?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> !default
[07:37] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[07:40] <dsmith> !work
[07:40] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:41] <dsmith> omgBIllGates
[07:41] <dsmith> !omgBIllGates
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about omgbillgates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <elite101> is FAMELIX any good of a linuxdistro for that windows kinda feeling
[07:41] <elite101> or P.u.d for mac look?
[07:41] <dsmith> im on factoids checking out the responses
[07:42] <elite101> well i gotta pack it in lol its 1:42 in the morning !!!
[07:43] <elite101> my eyes are starting to get blurry and i think i have a CRT sun burn!!! on my fave
[07:43] <elite101> face*
[07:43] <dsmith> dont you just hate those?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> elite101: Night!
[07:45] <elite101> lol
[07:45] <elite101> i will prob sleep in untill like 2pm in the afternoon samething everynight
[07:45] <elite101> bye
[08:08] <dotz> !psd
[08:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about psd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:08] <dotz> !photoshop
[08:08] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[08:09] <dotz> hi is it possible to open photoshop psd files in kubuntu? i tried openning with krita it seems like the layers are wrong
[08:13] <NickPresta> dotz, try in The GIMP
[08:16] <dotz> oh ok
[08:20] <Mantan> I require assistance refinding or changing my password, I forgot it
[08:23] <Mantan> srsly guys. this is not cool. I need sum halp
[08:23] <Mantan> fyi I'm running off my kubuntu disk
[08:30] <Daisuke_Ido> well, there's no root account by default...  i suppose you could reinstall
[08:31] <jahshan> if you are on the install disk
[08:31] <jahshan> you can sudo to root
[08:31] <jahshan> and then run passwd -u *
[08:31] <jahshan> i think
[08:36] <fdoving> Riddell: thanks. kubuntu_95_safely-remove_umount_dialog.diff should be removed from kdebase too.
[08:38] <Mantan> how can you mount the hard drive while running from the kubuntu cdrom?
[08:39] <Mantan> i want to edit /etc/passwd from vi and remove the root password
[08:39] <Mantan> i don't think it's running shadow passwords
[08:39] <ejortegau> hey guys. Small question. I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, which has a synaptics touchpad. When I tell KDE to inver left and right buttons, it doesn't work... buttons are still right handed. But If I plug an USB mouse, the changes are applied to it, but not the touchpad. Any ideas?
[08:40] <ejortegau> Mantan: you have other options... boot from grub/lilo normally with init=/bin/bash, remount / rw and do passwd
[08:40] <ejortegau> Mantan: I've never liked editing passwd/shadow files
[08:40] <ninHer> hi all
[08:40] <ejortegau> hey guys. Small question. I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, which has a synaptics touchpad. When I tell KDE to inver left and right buttons, it doesn't work... buttons are still right handed. But If I plug an USB mouse, the changes are applied to it, but not the touchpad. Any ideas?
[08:41] <Mo0oSaH> hi my azureus keeps shutting down everytime i open it..
[08:42] <fdoving> Mantan: you should just hit 'esc' wile booting grub, then select your recovery kernel, then use 'passwd <username>' and 'reboot' you don't need to use the livecd. and certainly not edit /etc/passwd manually, the password is stored in /etc/shadow anyway. but don't edit manually please :)
[08:43] <froud> can anyone help with recording from skype on kubuntu
[08:44] <Mantan> thanks fdoving - i will give it a whack
[08:44] <ejortegau> fdoving: recovery kernel will automagically log you in as root?
[08:44] <aldcor> aldcor
[08:47] <jeff_> i am using emerald to manage my themes, but it only changes the top bar of my windows... how can i change my xchat theme/skin
[08:50] <jeff_> anyone on?
[08:51] <jeff_> i have a theme manager for xfce but im looking to change the way xchat and my other apps look. im not sure what to download
[08:56] <redshadowhero> !beryl | jeff_
[08:56] <ubotu> jeff_: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:57] <jeff_> i have a theme manager for xfce but im looking to change the way xchat and my other apps look. im not sure what to download
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience
[08:57] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:58] <jeff_> ahh so emerald just changed the look of the window?
[08:58] <jeff_> what changes the look of the apps, like how i see screenshots of people who have awesome looking xchat windows
[08:58] <MaTiAz> jeff_: You need to customize the program itself via the app's settings
[08:59] <jeff_> i cant download a skin for it?
[08:59] <Sneer> Hi, is it possible to install kubuntu the way so that root is activated in a standard manner? When changing system settings, I would like to be asked for root password, not mine... I can activate the root account afterwards, but this doesn't help.
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> Sneer: no
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> does it matter what password you're asked for?
[09:00] <jeff_> because so far i can only see how to change the chat window settings, not all of the rest of the xchat window
[09:00] <jeff_> i thought there must be either a skin for xchat, or a skin for gnome since it runs under gnome (or so i was told)
[09:00] <Sneer> Daisuke_Ido: Yes, it matters... :-)
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> either way you're getting the same access.
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> running limited by default and requiring your password to do administrative tasks is perhaps the most sane method i've seen so far
[09:03] <Sneer> Hmm, but when installing some software from terminal, I need root account to do (the things not offered in packasges) and it seems to me quite strange to use two different passwords.
[09:03] <Sneer> Otherwise yes, I agree it is a good choice to ask password, but root one, or, simply, some other oen than mine woul be better to make difference between standrad access and admin access
[09:06] <kraut> moin
[09:07] <Dialntone> I c :D
[09:08] <ejortegau> how do i get a left handed mouse when using a synaptics touchpad?
[09:08] <ejortegau> i mean, the buttons behaviour
[09:11] <ejortegau> so i guess noone over here is left handed?
[09:12] <ejortegau> OR, no left handed guy here has a synaptics touchpad
[09:12] <ejortegau> :)
[09:12] <arun> how do i disable my DHT firewall?
[09:14] <alakhia> can someone help me with basic networking please? I can't get my ethernet connection working.
[09:15] <Level15> alakhia: could you provide more details on what you have tried so far?
[09:16] <alakhia> Level15: I used the fakeraidhowto guide to install kubuntu dapper
[09:16] <alakhia> Level15: did debootstrap, chroot, etc. Now, when I reboot, the kernel loads up fine
[09:17] <Level15> alakhia: ok... that doesn't sound to be the least bit related to networking...
[09:17] <alakhia> Level15: but i get no networking. Ping fails
[09:17] <Level15> ifconfig shows anything?
[09:17] <alakhia> Level15: ifconfig shows nothing, but -a does show eth0
[09:18] <Level15> ok, so i guess the kernel sees your NIC... i'm going to assume it's not a drivers issue. I know it's a dumb question to ask, but is the cable properly connected?
[09:18] <alakhia> Level15: i know that my resolve.conf is correct ... but not sure what other files to check
[09:18] <alakhia> Level15: networking was fine when I used the livecd 1 hour ago
[09:19] <Level15> nevermind resolv.conf if plain ifconfig doesn't show eth0
[09:19] <Level15> is that a desktop or laptop?
[09:19] <alakhia> Level15: desktop
[09:19] <alakhia> Level15: how can i be sure it is not a driver issue? The ethernet card is from realtek
[09:20] <Level15> only one NIC on it? no sencond MoBo cards?
[09:20] <Level15> well, i think if it were driver related ifconfig -a woulnd't see it
[09:20] <alakhia> Level15: ah, ok
[09:20] <Level15> though you can check dmesg and see if there's anything there showing that the kernel DID or DID NOT find it...
[09:21] <alakhia> Level15: you know, my /etc/networking/interfaces file is blank
[09:21] <Level15> does your network use dhcp?
[09:21] <Level15> if so, run "sudo dhclient", then ifconfig (no -a) to see if eth0 shows now
[09:21] <alakhia> Level15: i guess so ... not 100% sure
[09:22] <Level15> well, since you are not sure that probably means yes :) otherwise you would know and would have to config network by hand
[09:23] <alakhia> Level15: Cool, ran dhclient and now i have networking!
[09:23] <alakhia> Thanks, Level15!
[09:24] <alakhia> Level15: ping finds www.yahoo.com! :-)
[09:24] <Level15> hm then you need to fix your interfaces file
[09:25] <alakhia> Level15: add "auto eth1" in there, I guess?
[09:25] <Level15> let me check mine :)
[09:26] <Level15> ok, this is strange... mine doesn't mention eth0...
[09:26] <Level15> i'm not too familiar with this on (?)ubuntu yet...
[09:27] <alakhia> Level15: maybe it is called something different? I guess if I reboot and am still having problems, I'll come back and ask. This gets me going for now!
[09:27] <Level15> ok then. sorry i can't be of more help
[09:27] <redshadowhero> How can I add an mp3 plugin for amarock?
[09:28] <Fr0de> !mp3
[09:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <alakhia> Level15: oh no, you were of plenty help! :)
[09:28] <Level15> you know what we need? we need creative to support Ogg on their mp3 players
[09:28] <alakhia> Level15: thank you
[09:29] <Level15> ok, np
[09:29] <redshadowhero> Level15: I suppose, but what are the benefits of Ogg over mp3? I'm asking this as a serious question, mind you.
[09:30] <pag> redshadowhero, ogg is free, and I've heard it has better quality at lower bitrates.
[09:30] <Level15> redshadowhero: AFAIK, its compression rate is a little bit better... besides, if mp3 players supported open formats, we wouldn't have to be installing additional stuff from offshore servers just because some dumb patent issue
[09:31] <redshadowhero> I know that ogg is free, but I didn't know about the additional quality.
[09:33] <redshadowhero> Level15: perhaps; I've just always used mp3s, but then again, I haven't always used Linux, so that changes things a bit, I suppose.
[09:33] <Level15> are there any player which support ogg? what about stereos?
[09:34] <pag> Level15, some less main-stream players do support ogg - I'm not sure about stereos
[09:35] <Level15> any brands? I might want to buy one :)
[09:35] <pag> Level15, and you can get some iPods to support oggs as well, but that costs battery-life  ( see !rockbox for more info)
[09:36] <Level15> !rockbox
[09:36] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[09:36] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: thanks, that did help.
[09:36] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: with the mp3 support, I mean.
[09:36] <Fr0de> redshadowhero: no worries :)
[09:36] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: but amarock crashed after loading that.... however, once I restarted it, it was fine. Weird though.
[09:37] <Fr0de> redshadowhero: these things happen sometimes..
[09:37] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: Not as often as on Windows, but yes, they do
[09:40] <Level15> does anyone feel like giving me a hand with my touchpad?
[09:40] <redshadowhero> Uh, whats wrong with it?
[09:42] <Level15> i can't get the buttons to work left handed...
[09:42] <Level15> i know it seems dumb...
[09:42] <Level15> but it just WON'T work...
[09:43] <redshadowhero> Hmm, you can't change the options under the mouse settings?
[09:43] <Level15> i did... works for usb mouse, not for touchpad...
[09:43] <redshadowhero> Hmm, odd...
[09:43] <Level15> really odd
[09:44] <redshadowhero> let me check it on mine, and see if its the same thing.
[09:44] <Level15> ok thanks
[09:44] <redshadowhero> actually...
[09:44] <Level15> (if i had a mac, i wouldn't have this problem...) but then again, do i really want a mac?
[09:44] <redshadowhero> its the same problem here...
[09:44] <Fr0de> Level15: maybe setting the buttons with xmodmap might help?
[09:45] <Level15> Fr0de: i didn't know xmodmap would also affect mouse buttons... how does that work?
[09:45] <redshadowhero> Level15: I have a mac, and I do like it a lot... its just, they are so darn expensive.
[09:45] <concussin> does anyone know how to change the desktop look from osx back to normal
[09:45] <Level15> redshadowhero: i heard leopard wil be Unix'03 certified...
[09:45] <concussin> ?
[09:46] <Fr0de> Level15: I haven't played with it for a while, but I definitely used it to remap buttons on my trackball, so it might do your touchpad, too?
[09:46] <Level15> Fr0de: ok, let me try check that on google
[09:46] <Level15> concussin: are you using that baghira thing i guess?
[09:47] <Fr0de> Level15: in a terminal type 'man xmodmap' :)
[09:48] <Level15> Fr0de: well, i think it might work
[09:48] <redshadowhero> Level15: I know. Its about time, too. I'm tired of people telling me it isn't really UNIX at all...
[09:48] <concussin> level 15 : well i dunno it had like an initial setup when i booted up, and thats where i change the look
[09:49] <concussin> but now i can figure out how to change it back
[09:49] <Level15> redshadowhero: well, i think that and solaris is the only real Unix thing you can use on x86 hardware...
[09:49] <Level15> concussin: how did you change it to look like mac on the first place?
[09:49] <redshadowhero> Level15: True, true.  Its annoying, especially since I'm the guy who fixes the macs at work.
[09:49] <concussin> from this intial setup thing before you login
[09:50] <pag> concussin, systemsettings -> desktop -> Behaviour -> no menu bar at the top of the screen
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> !libcssdvd
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libcssdvd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <concussin> that it thanx pag
[09:51] <Level15> redshadowhero: i haven't really used OS X... i know it looks nice, but some of my friends who have owned a Mac have ended up selling it... i think it's because they are too used to linux, though
[09:51] <pag> concussin, np :)
[09:52] <redshadowhero> Level15: OS X was my introduction to *NIX-based systems. When I figured out how flexable and easy it was, I obviously wanted to know more.
[09:52] <Level15> so you are a mac guy, right?
[09:52] <blizzzek> i am connected via krdc to an windows server... i am wondering how to upload files from my computer?
[09:53] <redshadowhero> Pretty much... its what they pay me to do at work.
[09:53] <redshadowhero> Though, I do like linux...
[09:54] <redshadowhero> the server at work is linux.
[09:56] <Level15> xmodmap didn't work :(
[09:57] <Level15> redshadowhero: where do you work? and what do you do over there exactly?
[09:58] <redshadowhero> Level15: Well, I'm not sure I should say *exactly* where I work, but I work at a research center for my university. I just keep the macs running, and connected to the network.
[09:58] <redshadowhero> Level15: I just make sure that X11.app is installed, we have their MAC address on file, and answer any mac-related questions.
[09:59] <Level15> redshadowhero: fair enough. sounds like a nice job :) i want to get one myself because this thing of keeping studying and living on scholarships is... well, not profitable
[09:59] <redshadowhero> Level15: Well, this one is nice because I get to learn this stuff while I am at school.
[10:00] <redshadowhero> Level15: Which gives practical experience, of course.
[10:00] <Fr0de> Level15: I found it took a bit of playing to get xmodmap to do what I expected it to.. maybe you're giving up too quick?
[10:00] <Level15> Fr0de: no, as a matter of fact xmodmap has exactly the example of how to invert the buttons...
[10:01] <Level15> Fr0de: but it didn't work :(
[10:01] <Silent_G> hello
[10:01] <pag> !hi | Silent_G
[10:01] <ubotu> Silent_G: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:01] <Level15> redshadowhero: nice. then you can get better job when you are out of school
[10:01] <Silent_G> when im trying to open mp3's in amarok, its crashing, it stays loading :S is there a fix
[10:01] <pag> !mp3 | Silent_G
[10:01] <ubotu> Silent_G: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:01] <Level15> there we go again...
[10:02] <redshadowhero> Level15: Thats what I was planning
[10:03] <Level15> where is slackware distor based? US or somewhere else?
[10:03] <AlonzoTG> Let me bring in my bot.
[10:03] <pag> redshadowhero, for the statistics on factoid use: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=popularity%20DESC&page=0
[10:03] <AnnaBot> # Appears as ANNA
[10:03] <AlonzoTG> !greet
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about greet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <AnnaBot> (#G1<:EA10M1) I am Anna! I give Comic Strip Chat and UBUNTU help!
[10:04] <Fr0de> Level15: that sucks, I was hoping xmodmap might be the trick for you.. oh, well.. maybe you should try to figure out the details of the trackpad, then submit a bug to the "mouse mapping settings" developers, whoever they may be..?
[10:04] <AlonzoTG> I wrote my bot in C++. :)
[10:04] <AlonzoTG> You can Google!
[10:04] <redshadowhero> actually... The mouse button config is in /etc/sysctl.conf.
[10:04] <AlonzoTG> !google kubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <AnnaBot> (#G210E010M1) Kubuntu - The KDE DesktoprnUser friendly operating system based on KDE, the K Desktop Environment. With a predictable 6 month release cycle and part of the Ubuntu project, Kubuntu is ...rnwww.kubuntu.org/ - 8k - Jul 21, 2007 - Cached - Similar pagesrnDownload - www.kubuntu.org/download.phprnScreenshots - www.kubuntu.org/screenshots.phprnFAQ - www.k
[10:05] <pag> AlonzoTG, iirc no own bots allowed... you might get in trouble with that
[10:05] <AlonzoTG> What if it can Google?
[10:05] <redshadowhero> pag: thanks for the factoid usage thing.
[10:05] <Fr0de> AlonzoTG: isn't that what a browser will do for you? :P
[10:06] <Level15> Fr0de: i guess i can read the docs on libsynaptics... and if i'm not to lazy, maybe even write a small piece of code which will invert the buttons :)
[10:06] <AlonzoTG> Yeah but this is faster.
[10:06] <Fr0de> Level15: that's the spirit! :D
[10:06] <pag> AlonzoTG, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:06] <redshadowhero> Level15: I think you can manually change the mouse buttons in /etc/sysctl.conf
[10:06] <AlonzoTG> =(
[10:06] <Level15> redshadowhero: which section of it? just opened the file but can't find anything with the word mouse on it
[10:06] <AlonzoTG> !part
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about part - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <AnnaBot> (#G210EA10M1) <Chr>
[10:07] <Level15> oh, maybe you mean i need to add something to it?
[10:08] <redshadowhero> Level15: it was a long shot, I found it under a mac help bit, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11230.html
[10:08] <Level15> maybe you are right... let me check
[10:09] <Level15> no it seems to be exclusively for mac mice
[10:09] <redshadowhero> Level15: yeah... but I figured it might be the same on a windows 'top, considering...
[10:09] <redshadowhero> Level15: I shouldn't have assumed
[10:10] <Level15> well, thanks, though
[10:10] <redshadowhero> yeah... but now... I have to know.... this sort of thing bothers me when I can't figure out something.
[10:11] <Level15> it's plainly amusing that something this simple is not that simple after all,  uh?
[10:13] <redshadowhero> Level15: actually..... it is highly amusing...
[10:15] <Chanshe> hi alle
[10:16] <Chanshe> frage.. wie registriert man sich hier?
[10:16] <pag> !de | Chanshe
[10:16] <ubotu> Chanshe: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:21] <redshadowhero> Level15: I know you said that xmodmap didn't work, but did you try the command like "xmodmap -e "pointer = 2 1 3 4 5""?
[10:22] <Level15> i did "pointer = 3 2 1"
[10:23] <redshadowhero> and it only changed the mouse...
[10:23] <redshadowhero> I was thinking there might be something else other than "pointer" that you could try
[10:24] <redshadowhero> what is the output of xmodmap -pp
[10:24] <redshadowhero> for me, it goes up to 9.
[10:24] <redshadowhero> Perhaps, some of the later buttons are trackpad buttons?
[10:24] <Level15> up to 9, 3 and 1 swapped
[10:25] <Level15> i think those are related to double tapping and tapping on special sections of the touchpad
[10:25] <redshadowhero> oh..
[10:25] <redshadowhero> curses, foiled again.
[10:26] <Level15> leave it that way... don't worry
[10:27] <redshadowhero> Level15: try "man synclient"
[10:32] <Level15> seems to be useful for setting other options... but nothing related to mouse buttons mapping :(
[10:32] <redshadowhero> well... I'm out of ideas, then...
[10:33] <Level15> me too... don't worry, it doesn't matter that much...
[10:35] <Level15> brb
[10:35] <miles> !find opengl
[10:35] <ubotu> Found: cl-sdl-opengl, libghc6-opengl-dev, libopengl-perl, libopengl-ruby, libtiff-opengl (and 2 others)
[10:36] <miles> how do i find the 2 others?
[10:36] <miles> !find opengl | more
[10:36] <ubotu> more: please see above
[10:36] <miles> wtf
[10:37] <redshadowhero> Level15: actually, its late... I'm tired...I've got to sleep sometime... I'll catch you on here some other time, I suppose.
[10:37] <miles> he was quick to get out of here
[10:40] <ice9> hello friends!
[10:40] <ice9> I am the scorpion king
[10:42] <ace2016> Hi all
[10:42] <ace2016> anyone knows what configures the network on startup?
[10:42] <hatter> can anyone see why this in my fstab would not be mounting on boot ?  //backup:/backup /mnt nfs defaults 0 0
[10:42] <stdin> ace2016: the /etc/network/interfaces file
[10:43] <ace2016> i have 2 partitions, one is a fresh install
[10:43] <ace2016> one is an older one, i tried copping /etc/network from the fresh install to the older one but the network does not work
[10:43] <ace2016> both are using the same kernel from the /boot partition
[10:44] <stdin> should work
[10:44] <ace2016> i know but it does not
[10:44] <stdin> what type of net?
[10:44] <ace2016> dhcp
[10:44] <stdin> wired?
[10:45] <ace2016> the only difference was that the whole system was upgraded, everything, apart from the hard disks
[10:45] <ace2016> the fresh install is after the hardware upgrade, the older one was before the hardware upgrade
[10:45] <ace2016> yes its a wired network
[10:46] <stdin> did you upgrade the NIC?
[10:46] <ace2016> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[10:46] <ace2016> stdin: upgraded motherboard/cpu/gfx/ram
[10:46] <Level15> ace2016: ifconfig -a shows the interface?
[10:46] <Level15> and what about ifconfig alone?
[10:47] <ace2016> ifconfig just shows the interface but its not configured with an ip address
[10:47] <Level15> ace2016: which interface?
[10:47] <Level15> hm
[10:47] <ace2016> eth1
[10:48] <ace2016> well this is the fresh install now
[10:48] <stdin> ace2016: tried just configuring it with system settings?
[10:48] <Level15> do you have 2 NICs?
[10:48] <ace2016> stdin: can't get into graphics, nvidia card is having problems, i've downloaded the beta drivers now
[10:49] <ace2016> Ok so i'll reboot go into the old install, get graphics up and running, and then come back here on the second machine
[10:49] <ace2016> ok?
[10:49] <stdin> ace2016: ahh, ok. I can tell you what you need in /etc/network/interfaces, it's simple
[10:49] <Level15> ace2016: hey, if eth1 shows up i think you have 2 nics. are you sure the cable is on the right one?
[10:49] <ace2016> just one nic
[10:49] <stdin> ace2016: "auto eth1" on one line, then "iface eth1 inet dhcp" on another
[10:50] <ace2016> auto eth0
[10:50] <ace2016> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:50] <ace2016> but ifconfig has: eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:13:8F:E4:7B:F9
[10:50] <ace2016> and it somehow works???
[10:50] <stdin> ace2016: check what's in /etc/iftab
[10:50] <ace2016> its working fine now, and i'm using it
[10:51] <ace2016> eth0 mac 00:0d:87:33:a6:3a arp 1
[10:51] <stdin> is that the MAC address of eth1?
[10:51] <ace2016> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:13:8F:E4:7B:F9
[10:52] <stdin> that's why it's not called eth0 then
[10:54] <ace2016> ok i'll come back soon
[11:00] <neusonce>  hey guys dose anybody know how to get a encytpted dvd to play on  ubuntu ?
[11:00] <neusonce> no matter what i do  it flat out refuses to play
[11:00] <pag> !libdvdcss2 | neusonce
[11:00] <ubotu> neusonce: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:06] <Narada> hi; i was upgrading to feisty through the gui tool and it gave an error; now it seems to have stopped at 56%; what can i do to verify this
[11:07] <dromer> what is a good kde program to see all your system-specs ?
[11:07] <ADiCT3D> Hey i have a question, I'm looking for an app that converts a link or a text file to an mp3/ogg/flac etc audio file anyone know of anything like this?
[11:07] <pag> Narada, what error did it gave?
[11:07] <Narada> pag: Something about unable to install samba in a /var/ location
[11:08] <Narada> now its stuck at preparing to configure kubuntu-docs
[11:08] <pag> Narada, for how long has it been stuck there?
[11:08] <Narada> for a few mins; but it said in the error message that the upgrade aborts now; although the window is still up
[11:10] <Narada> sigh :(  if i reboot now i bet it won't boot
[11:10] <pag> Narada, hmm.. try waiting for couple more mins, and if nothing happes, then abort the upgrade, and finish it up via command-line
[11:11] <Narada> pag: can you do half with gui and half with cmd line
[11:11] <pag> Narada, they're both just frontends, so it should work
[11:19] <zero> startin up...
[11:19] <zero> loading, please wait...
[11:19] <ben__> hi, does anyone know if kde4 beta will be released on schedule
[11:20] <zero> kinit: name-to-dev-t(/dev/disk/by-uuid/921ea426-e
[11:20] <zero> kinit:trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/921ea426-e.......
[11:20] <pag> ben__, probably... I don't know will it be packaged for kubuntu though
[11:21] <zero> kinit:No resume image, doing normal boot...
[11:21] <zero> what is that?
[11:21] <zero> it makes the boot time bigger
[11:21] <ben__> zero: thanks
[11:21] <zero> hey pag
[11:21] <zero> why thanks ben?
[11:22] <pag> zero, I have no idea what does that error mean, sorry.
[11:22] <zero> :(
[11:22] <zero> i have to wait a lot to finish booting
[11:22] <Narada> pag: okay back to command line but apt is saying could not get lock
[11:23] <zero> is there anyone that might know?
[11:23] <pag> !aptfix | Narada
[11:23] <ubotu> Narada: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:24] <Narada> pag: i take it the left and right arrows are not included
[11:24] <pag> Narada, they're not
[11:24] <Narada> wow it's doing a lot of stuff
[11:25] <pag> Narada, yup.. it should almost finish your upgrade
[11:26] <pag> Narada, I'd suggest you run " sudo apt-get install -f ", " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " and " sudo dpkg --configure -a " if it gives any errors
[11:27] <Narada> pag: will do; although looks like i might have to wait a while :)
[11:30] <Narada> i wish i'd done it on the command line to begin with
[11:34] <Ace2016> Hi all
[11:35] <Ace2016> it worked and i'm on my regular old partition now
[11:35] <Ace2016> i love this setup, hate to loose it
[11:36] <Ace2016> Anyone know how to copy everything from one hard disk to another and make everything keep working?
[11:36] <Ace2016> its going from a single disk to a dual disk raid array
[11:37] <Ace2016> and the new disks are sata not ide
[11:37] <aldcor> aldcor
[11:37] <lumens> c nessuno italilano????
[11:37] <pag> !it | lumens
[11:37] <ubotu> lumens: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:38] <Narada> pag: it's finished no errors; should i run those commands anyway
[11:38] <pag> Narada, try " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "
[11:38] <Narada> hmm tons of packages
[11:39] <pag> Narada, yup yup.. upgrade hasn't gone through yet then..
[11:39] <Narada> okay switched to one of the vts and started that
[11:46] <Narada> pag: all done; anything to run or make sure now?
[11:47] <pag> Narada, sudo apt-get install -f
[11:47] <Narada> pag: http://rafb.net/p/HoJ16D52.html
[11:48] <pag> Narada, yup... sudo apt-get autoremove  then
[11:49] <Narada> done; anything else? should i do th dpkg reconfigure or anything else to ensure everything is bootable?
[11:49] <Silent_G> hello , can someone tell me a programme that can make a backup of a DVD that is protected?
[11:50] <pag> Silent_G, k9copy ?
[11:50] <Silent_G> does it copy everything and get updated often?
[11:50] <Silent_G> like clonedvd for example
[11:51] <pag> Narada, I thing everything should work now... sudo dpkg --configure -a  maybe, but it's probably not needed anymore
[11:51] <Narada> okay done; that command didn't do antyhing
[11:51] <pag> Silent_G, I don't know, it's just reccomended in some factoid (I can't even remember which one of them)
[11:52] <pag> Narada, ok. the everything *should* be fine.. cross your fingers and boot :)
[11:52] <Narada> okay; fingers crossed; this is nerve wracking
[11:56] <Silent_G> ok, any help with webcams ? i have a webcam connected to the pc how can i use it?
[11:56] <pag> !webcam
[11:56] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:56] <Silent_G> thankz :)
[11:56] <Silent_G> also , any help with digital cameras?
[11:57] <pag> Silent_G, they should work out-of-the-box
[11:57] <Silent_G> ok
[11:57] <pag> (at least mine does)
[11:57] <Silent_G> so digital cameras should work out of the box
[11:57] <Silent_G> mine has a card reader tought
[11:57] <Silent_G> the card reader is connected with usb
[11:57] <Silent_G> and the digi cam has some smal fat card
[11:57] <Silent_G> 2.2GB
[11:57] <Silent_G> :S
[11:58] <pag> Silent_G, well.. as said they *should*.. I can't promise anything
[11:58] <Silent_G> ok :P
[11:59] <Narada> pag: omg it boots! only error i got was that it wasn't able to find /dev/hdb1 which was my second hard drive; any idea what's happened to that device it's not there anymore
[12:00] <pag> Narada, check, if /dev/sdb1 is present
[12:01] <Narada> pag: yeah it is; sda and sdb; strange!; these are both ide not sata;
[12:01] <pag> Narada, libata :(  blame the new kernel
[12:01] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:02] <pag> Narada, kdesu kate /etc/fstab  and change hdbX to sdbX and after command sudo mount -a
[12:02] <Narada> pag: okay i'll change fstab; my samba mounts also stopped working; any immediate known issues with that?
[12:03] <pag> Narada, not any I've heard of...
[12:08] <kevinyo>
[12:15] <Narada> how can i disable the power manager in kde
[12:15] <grul> !power manager
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <grul> !power
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <grul> !energy
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about energy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <grul> :(
[12:18] <Neil3> !powermanager
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powermanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:22] <Narada> hehe
[12:23] <Narada> np
[12:26] <iarwain_> hiya, anyone knows how to mount a PDA? i know the bus device Nr it uses via lsusb, but i don't know where to go from here..
[12:29] <samaris> hello
[12:31] <samaris> some can help me?
[12:31] <iarwain_> samaris: hiya
[12:31] <iarwain_> we'll try :)
[12:32] <samaris> i have a new laptop and i just install ubuntu and i cant hear any sound
[12:32] <iarwain_> Press F2, and type in "kmix" without the ""
[12:32] <iarwain_> anything muted there?
[12:33] <samaris> no
[12:34] <iarwain_> what sound card do you have?
[12:35] <samaris> i dont know its a gateway mt3707 the stiker says ati radeon xpress 200m
[12:35] <iarwain_> that's your graphic's card :)
[12:36] <iarwain_> post the output of this command in pastebin => "lspci"
[12:36] <samaris> where do i check it?
[12:36] <samaris> this is the computer http://www.gateway.com/retail/mt3707.php
[12:37] <iarwain_> open up a terminal (konsole), type in "lspci", copy-paste the output of that command to pastebin.ca, and give me the link
[12:37] <iarwain_> that works to
[12:37] <iarwain_> too
[12:37] <iarwain_> xD
[12:37] <[ifr0g] > How do i disable networkmanager ?
[12:37] <[ifr0g] > i guess most of you dislike it !
[12:37] <[ifr0g] > :)
[12:39] <iarwain_> samaris: seems to me it's just a kinda standard audio thing
[12:39] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : try right-clicking on it? don't know if that's what you want
[12:39] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, i want to disable it, i dont want it at all.
[12:40] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : sudo aptitude remove knetworkmanager
[12:40] <alesan> re
[12:40] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : that's what i think would help you
[12:40] <samaris> what does that mean?
[12:40] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, Its that simple :).. ok thanks.. will do that.
[12:41] <alesan> I have a problem with my pc, Ubuntu can see only 3GB even if I have 4GB installed. this is the output of my dmesg:
[12:41] <alesan> http://pastebin.com/d4ede953c
[12:41] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : np's :)
[12:41] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, what about knetworkconf ?
[12:41] <[ifr0g] > Is that part of it ?
[12:41] <dv_> help! ktorrent suddenly crashes every time I start it
[12:41] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : don't think so. You just want to get Knetworkmanager gone? Or the whole Shibang?
[12:42] <dv_> there is absolutely no way to get in the program, it crashes. I dont want to lose my partially downloaded torrents. what can I do?
[12:42] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, k
[12:42] <[ifr0g] > i think i got to restart..
[12:43] <[ifr0g] > brb.
[12:43] <samaris> this is what say in the audio part
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller ATI (rev 80)
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01)
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-ISA Bridge (rev 80)
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-PCI Bridge (rev 80)
[12:43] <samaris> 0
[12:44] <iarwain_> dv_: try starting it via terminal, perhaps you get an error
[12:44] <iarwain_> samaris: hmm
[12:44] <dv_> "Qt: Warning: QGArray::at: Absolute index 0 out of range"
[12:44] <samaris> ????
[12:45] <dv_> and then the crash dialog appears
[12:45] <iarwain_> samaris: idk about that, but did you try installing drivers? i might be completely wrong, but since it's ATI idk
[12:45] <dv_> is it possible to continue the downloads with another client?
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: try google for a solution?
[12:45] <dv_> or is my data lost forever?
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: continuing is possible
[12:45] <dv_> already googled
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: :)
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: azureus picks them up as far as i know
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: but to be sure, make a BACKUP
[12:46] <iarwain_> dv_: trust me :)
[12:46] <samaris> where do i find it?
[12:47] <iarwain_> samaris: gonna search it for you :)
[12:47] <samaris> thanks
[12:49] <iarwain_> samaris: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide should help you out
[12:49] <runlevelten> dv, what's the boggle with bittorrent?
[12:49] <iarwain_> samaris: havent followed that guide since i own Nvidia
[12:49] <samaris> ok thanks
[12:49] <iarwain_> samaris: np's :)
[12:50] <runlevelten> dv, can you run ktorrent from a terminal for me, and pastebin the output when it crashes?
[12:50] <runlevelten> cheers :)
[12:51] <dv_> http://rafb.net/p/HdsOhY98.html
[12:51] <dv_> the first two errors are harmless, they just refer to dead xorg.conf input device entries
[12:52] <dv_> I mean, ktorrent did crash several times in the past, but it has never been this bad before
[12:53] <dv_> if I had known ktorrent is so extremely unstable...
[12:53] <runlevelten> and the backtrace..
[12:53] <dv_> http://rafb.net/p/dqFde290.html
[12:53] <[ifr0g] > when i plug in my wifi dougle i get..
[12:53] <[ifr0g] > Jul 23 13:48:57 blackbox NetworkManager: <debug info>^I[1185187737.302491]  nm_hal_device_added (): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_457_163_noserial').
[12:53] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:54] <[ifr0g] > Instead it previously synced with ndiswrapper on edgy
[12:54] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : hmm, don't know ndiswrapper
[12:54] <[ifr0g] > Now i am on fiesty after an upgrade.
[12:54] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, is it safe to remove network-manager ?
[12:54] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : and your internet doesn't work?
[12:54] <dv_> ah! manually setting dhtSupported to false in the ktorrentrc file does the trick
[12:55] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : don't know. I would let it be installed, just to be safe
[12:55] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, it works, ..
[12:55] <dv_> so, never ever use dht with ktorrent
[12:55] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : so what's the problem then? you lost me :)
[12:57] <runlevelten> ktorrent really needs to settle - it's such a good client but the stability lets it down.
[12:58] <runlevelten> by the way, in my experience you usually get a better experience getting it from the vcs
[12:58] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, I recently did an upgrade on edgy to fiesty, everything works fine only my wifi dougle which worked previously on ndiswrapper broke, every timei plugit in it says device created as per above by network manager, Where on edgy it synced with ndiswrapper. i dont remember seeing the networkmanager line in syslog file. so i was thinking if it will work if i remove that.
[12:58] <runlevelten> which is weird, I know, heh
[01:00] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : did you check the forum for similair breakage? Perhaps you need a newer version of ndiswrapper? if you completely want to remove networkmanager, try this "sudo aptitude purge knetworkmanager"
[01:00] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:00] <iarwain_> yeah, that's you xD
[01:00] <runlevelten> Oh look, there's a 2.2 package.
[01:01] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, already did remove it. cant purge itnow
[01:01] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : i should've known that ^^
[01:02] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : it still doesn't work? no newer versions of ndiswrapper or the like? Forum doesn't give anything?
[01:02] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:02] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, Checking that now.
[01:02] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : okay :)
[01:07] <lumens> italiano
[01:09] <lumens> c nessuno italiano
[01:09] <karyn> english
[01:10] <ttan> io italiano
[01:10] <Lynoure> !it
[01:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:10] <lumens> thank you
[01:13] <Narada> what package is it to start using the nvidia driver; there seem to be quite a few nvidia packages
[01:23] <samaris> hello
[01:24] <Neil3> hey all whats the name of the app that makes the little battery status icon appear in the bottom right of the taskbar?
[01:29] <Narada> which gui package manager is preferred
[01:32] <runlevelten> synaptic
[01:32] <roald_> hello, does anyone have the same webcam as I do? its a (lsusb) 0c45:624f Microdia
[01:32] <roald_> i'd like to find a driver:)
[01:33] <NLJazz> or can someone help me find a driver?
[01:35] <KaiSVK> hi all
[01:36] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: DON'T run irc as root!
[01:43] <lumens_> c italiano
[01:45] <lumens_> c nessuno italiano
[01:47] <KaiSVK> runlevelten I am sorry ...
[01:48] <lumens_> c nessuno ke parla italiano???????
[01:48] <runlevelten> It's OK, it's just a very severe security hazard for yourself.
[01:48] <runlevelten> !it
[01:48] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:49] <KaiSVK> runlevelten :) oki thanx
[01:49] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: Like so severe I would exit this very next second and come back as your ordinary user.
[01:50] <KaiSVK> runlevelten so be it ...
[01:50] <[Apollo] > hi all :D
[01:50] <runlevelten> hey [Apollo]
[01:51] <[Apollo] > you slept well, runlevelten? :)
[01:51] <runlevelten> Heh, briefly
[01:51] <MaTiAz> Yay, finally got to order my new PC :)
[01:51] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:51] <runlevelten> thanks for asking xD
[01:51] <MaTiAz> The old one broke lol
[01:51] <KaiSVK> runlevelten it is done :)
[01:51] <[Apollo] > this guy is doing this again... saying 'aldcor'
[01:51] <[Apollo] > he ? really got to be bored
[01:51] <[Apollo] > yw
[01:51] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: that's better :)
[01:52] <runlevelten> It's a bot of some sort I assume.
[01:52] <[Apollo] > yea
[01:52] <[Apollo] > prolly
[01:52] <runlevelten> Maybe he delimits log files for someone or something
[01:52] <runlevelten> wtg MaTiAz
[01:53] <[Apollo] > and aldcor doesn't respond to VERSION requests
[01:53] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: yeah, suddenly windows didn't boot anymore, and linux booted a few times and acted weird
[01:53] <MaTiAz> now it doesn't work at all :D
[01:53] <runlevelten> I wonder whether that name/message is a delimiter on its own.
[01:53] <KaiSVK> just curious, does anyone know how to add this: route add -net <IP_ADDRESS>/24 gw <IP_ADDRESS> eth0 - permanently so it is done by boot ?
[01:53] <KaiSVK> somewhere in the /etc/somewhat ?
[01:54] <MaTiAz> But yeah, I guess 2GB of 800MHz DDR2, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750, Asus P5B mobo, Zalman 500W PSU and a nice 400GB Samsung HDD will be somewhat enough for the next 4 years :)
 aldcor\nspam\n<aldcor> aldcor\nbots\n<aldcor> aldcor\nsuck\n<aldcor> aldcor
[01:54] <MaTiAz> oh and a Geforce 8800GTS 320MB :)
[01:55] <MaTiAz> This'll at least run beryl fine :D
[01:55] <runlevelten> yeah, and quake 4 and oblivion and stuff :)
[01:55] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: yeah, I've played Oblivion on X360 for like 120 hours, it's now time to enjoy all the mods 'n stuff :D
[01:56] <MaTiAz> I tried it on my old PC once, got pretty ok FPS with 640x480 and almost all settings at minimum :D
[02:02] <ttan> my ausus wl-138g v2 find wireless networks but not connect.. help??
[02:02] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: drop it in a script and put it in /etc/network/ifup.d/
[02:03] <runlevelten> sorry, if-up.d, heh
[02:04] <Graham> Morning
[02:04] <runlevelten> hi graham
[02:04] <ttan> hi graham
[02:05] <ses59> if kppp does not work what other dialer programs would you suggest?
[02:05] <ttan> ses59, for pppoe connections?
[02:06] <ses59> yes sbcglobal with internal modem works with wvdialer
[02:06] <ttan> 56k or dsl?^
[02:06] <pawitp> Is there something like specto for KDE?
[02:06] <ses59> 56f
[02:06] <ses59> 56k
[02:07] <ttan> well.. never used 56k on linux.. let me think about it..
[02:08] <mauricioOb> slack rules
[02:09] <runlevelten> mauricioOb: agreed.
[02:09] <TheNameless> hi
[02:10] <runlevelten> hi TheNameless2k
[02:10] <ttan> hi
[02:10] <TheNameless> ...have somebody also trobble with ICQ and Kopete?
[02:11] <ttan> ses59, tried with knetworkmanager?
[02:12] <ttan> i don't really know if it's good for 56k
[02:13] <runlevelten> pawitp: everything specto does can be done without specto. what you watching?
[02:17] <pawitp> runlevelten: Gmail, Website
[02:22] <Silent_G> hi
[02:23] <Graham> Silent_G: lo
[02:23] <Silent_G> im trying to run EasyCam2
[02:23] <Silent_G> and im getting this error
[02:23] <Silent_G> Failed to open device
[02:23] <Silent_G>   File "/usr/share/EasyCam2/easycam.py", line 25, in <module>
[02:23] <Silent_G>     import gnome.ui
[02:23] <Silent_G> ImportError: No module named gnome.ui
[02:24] <Graham> You don't have gnome installed
[02:25] <Silent_G> O_o
[02:25] <Silent_G> i must install gnome to use webcam?
[02:25] <Silent_G> :S
[02:27] <KaiSVK> runlevelten so classic .sh script and I will put it there ?
[02:27] <Graham> You just need to install the backend of gnome
[02:27] <Graham> libgnome files or something
[02:27] <Graham> Though in fairness, it's just a guess.
[02:27] <Silent_G> what is the package name?
[02:28] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: yeah
[02:28] <Graham> Did you install it from the repository?
[02:28] <Silent_G> yeah
[02:28] <runlevelten> pawitp: I'd use an email notifier and a shell script.
[02:28] <Graham> Might not list all it's dependencies.
[02:29] <Silent_G> yeah but what package should i install
[02:30] <runlevelten> an example for a page without ads might be to do something like wget -q google.com  -o out &&  md5sum out > out.md5
[02:30] <runlevelten> then use watch or something to wget -q google.com  -o out; md5sum -c out.md5;  every x seconds.
[02:30] <KaiSVK> runlevelten strange :) I thought it was made by some kind of one config files, like on suse, my previous distro, in /etc/sysconfig/network
[02:32] <runlevelten> pawitp: "websec" claims to be a web page monitoring software. Dunno whether that might be fun for you.
[02:32] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: yeah, I go straight for sysconfig too, but bunter doesn't have it
[02:34] <runlevelten> I quite like sysconfig. Call me a loony.
[02:35] <Graham> peron with gnome ui error!
[02:35] <Minataku> sysconfig from FreeBSD? Great tool. :3
[02:35] <Graham> Silent_G: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-302674.html
[02:36] <KaiSVK> runlevelten what is bunter? :)
[02:37] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: ubuntu
[02:37] <Minataku> I wish NetBSD had sysconfig... or at least an easy user management tool... useradd and friend are horrific
[02:38] <icecruncher> how can I make a directory read write and belong to a different user when root? in cli
[02:39] <Lynoure> I actually like useradd, once it has been configured well
[02:40] <runlevelten> chmod 666 filename to make it rw for everyone. chown user:group filename to change ownership
[02:40] <Graham> Silent_G: Any use?
[02:41] <Silent_G> im reading it
[02:43] <Silent_G> cant figure out Graham  :
[02:43] <Silent_G> :S
[02:50] <slougi> hi all quick question: any idea why /bin/sh is a symlink to dash nowadays? dash is not very compatible...
[02:53] <Hobbsee> slougi: because its' faster, on boot
[02:53] <Hobbsee> slougi: the default user shell is still bash
[02:53] <os2mac> How do you add a particular screen resolution to X?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> and it's perfectly compatible with the shell standard - bash has extra stuff
[02:53] <slougi> Hobbsee: yeah but it still breaks loads of scripts that have #!/bin/sh at the top
[02:54] <slougi> personally i see that as a regression
[02:54] <Hobbsee> slougi: ones in the archive?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> or random scripts that you downloaded somewhere?
[02:54] <slougi> Hobbsee: well no, but those are not the end of all scripts :-)
[02:54] <slougi> Hobbsee: mostly of an app i am developing
[02:55] <runlevelten> slougi: that's what I thought, heh
[02:55] <os2mac> !ubotu modline
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modline - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <Minataku> If it specifies /bin/sh but expects full bash features, the script is broken
[02:55] <Hobbsee> slougi: ...then you need to fix your scripts.
 How do i stop my network from grinding to a halt when iuse kaffeine dvb server ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Minataku: is right
[02:55] <os2mac> !ubotu modeline
[02:55] <ubotu> A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[02:55] <slougi> biggest annoyance is that the following breaks: if [ "${dirname:0:1}" != "/" ] ; <-- afaik this is actually standard usage
[02:56] <Minataku> /bin/sh is a compatibility thing, it specifies full POSIX sh compatibility
[02:56] <crazy_bus> is there any way to have konversation automatically translate a language someone types via a online service such as google translate?
[02:56] <slougi> and the above is standard POSIX afaik
[02:56] <Minataku> You can more than likely fix the script by changing #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash
[02:57] <runlevelten> Minataku: It may be, but it will still break an assload of stuff if sh was previously providing a certain shell and that changes.
[02:57] <Minataku> slougi: I'm not sure if it is or not, I'm not versed on the standard
[02:57] <slougi> Minataku: not an option as i use the same thing in some init scripts
[02:57] <Hobbsee> !dash
[02:57] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought we had a link in there
[02:57] <Minataku> slougi: You could remake the symlink to point to /bin/bash, but that could break all of Ubuntu's stuff
[02:58] <Minataku> So naturally isn't recommended
[02:58] <slougi> Minataku: well yes, but that's a local fix only :-)
[02:58] <Minataku> Alternately if you need more power than convienence, switch distributions
[02:58] <Hobbsee> no, wouldnt *break*, per se.
[02:58] <slougi> Minataku: wow, calm down
[02:58] <Minataku> I find *buntu to be perfect for "just works"... and really only that
[02:59] <slougi> Hobbsee: i see, i didn't mean to stirr up a hornets nest or anything
[02:59] <runlevelten> I find ubuntu not very good for "just works"
[02:59] <Minataku> If you want "plays well with users", I'd recommend a different distribution which offers more user control
[02:59] <Hobbsee> slougi: no problem
[02:59] <slougi> it's just that i want those scripts to work as widely as possible
[02:59] <Minataku> runlevelten: I mean "just works" in a Windows sense, it installs and works for Average Q. Joe
[02:59] <runlevelten> Most notably because I use kde. Ubuntu's KDE is quite unrefined compared to SuSE's
[03:00] <runlevelten> for instance
[03:00] <slougi> currently the BSD's work, solaris works, redhat-derived stuff works, *buntu is broken ;)
[03:02] <Minataku> NetBSD has an actual /bin/sh
[03:02] <Minataku> Debian links /bin/sh to bash
[03:02] <runlevelten> Basically, let ubuntu play its game, and replace sh shebangs with bash ones.
[03:02] <Minataku> Or
[03:02] <Minataku> Make multiple scripts, the first one a checker script
[03:03] <Minataku> See whether /bin/sh is real/linked to bash or if it's linked to dash
[03:03] <runlevelten> I mean in reality, it is broken to assume the default shell slougi
[03:03] <slougi> you can work around that, the same syntax works, just not inside []  style checks, all you need is another temporary variable. it's still an annoyance.
[03:03] <runlevelten> On a given system the default shell could be _anything_
[03:03] <Minataku> runlevelten: Doesn't matter
[03:04] <runlevelten> sorry, sh link
[03:04] <slougi> runlevelten: i think on unix-like systems the only sane thing is to assume that you have a POSIX compatible shell
[03:04] <slougi> otherwise you go mad
[03:04] <Minataku> runlevelten: Considering it's expected to be either real or linked to bash
[03:04] <Minataku> Which is typically the case on practically everything
[03:04] <Minataku> I'd say *buntu's decision was bad
[03:04] <Hobbsee> slougi: posix compatible, yes.  which dash is.
[03:05] <runlevelten> I agree, but by and large it's still really broken
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:03]  <Mithrandir> uh, that's quite special, since the BSDs generally have strict-ish /bin/sh-s
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:03]  <broonie> *Solaris* works. Ah, they're not being completely unreasonable.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:04]  <StevenK> That is not standard POSIX.
[03:05] <runlevelten> by really broken, I mean really when you get down to it, not very broken ;)
[03:05] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Then how come a true sh works?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:04]  <StevenK> ${variable} will work, ${variable:0} and similar are bashisms
[03:05] <slougi> hmm
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:05]  <StevenK> Hobbsee: I wonder, given that line if they're trying to determine the directory name is a symlink. If so, there are better ways. :-)
[03:06] <slougi> weird then that dash will accept those bashims as well just as long as they are outside []
[03:06] <Silent_G> Graham,  would installing gnome still be able to use KDE ? and will it solve that error?
[03:06] <Minataku> Who maintains dash?
[03:06] <slougi> Hobbsee: where's that discussion taking place?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> slougi: #ubuntu-devel
[03:06] <Minataku> Is this an Ubuntu creation?
[03:06] <runlevelten> It is annoying, because "POSIX compliant" is a lot less important in real life than what the actual shell supports.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:06] <Hobbsee> Original-Maintainer: Gerrit Pape<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:06] <Hobbsee> so, no
[03:07] <Minataku> Hm... but it's currently maintained by Ubuntu
[03:07] <Minataku> So the suspicion still stands :P
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ...a lot of things in ubuntu are maintained by ubuntu people
[03:07] <Hobbsee> debian asks us to have our addresses as the maintainer, so that they dont get the mail
[03:08] <Minataku> Ah, more spaghetti then
[03:08] <Minataku> Utter confusion for all involved :3
[03:08] <KaiSVk> runlevelten I added script in if-up.d and it doesn't work
[03:09] <Minataku> Sorry, some of the things that Ubuntu does I can't exactly agree that they're good ideas
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Minataku: there are mails and such that document all of this.  of course, that does require you reading them.  and it doenst usually matter, if yo're not a developer
[03:09] <KaiSVk> runlevelten what about adding the line in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:09] <KaiSVk> >
[03:09] <Minataku> Hobbsee: So we're expected to read years and years worth of various mailing lists and memos? :P
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Minataku: nah.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Minataku: of course, had you asked, i would probably have found said mail, and given you the link.
[03:10] <Minataku> lol
[03:10] <Graham> Silent_G: Just install the backend of gnome, libgnome
[03:10] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm a bit disagreeable right now
[03:10] <Minataku> Or rather as usual
[03:10] <Graham> Silent_G: It shouldn't give you everything.
[03:10] <Minataku> My apologies X3
[03:10] <Graham> If it does, you can still use KDE
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Minataku: i find it better to actually fix things than to complain about them.  *shrugs*
[03:11] <runlevelten> Part of the reason I'm using kubuntu, and hanging around, is because I get asked to support it a lot.
[03:11] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Yeah, but some of *buntu's decisions or "fixes" seem to be confusing and pointless
[03:12] <Minataku> For example, knowingly breaking scripts that otherwise work fairly universally for what seems to be a trivial reason
[03:12] <runlevelten> Stuff like sh-> dash is going to break for a lot of the support I would have given people
[03:12] <Minataku> It looks less like an improvement for anyone than just jumping up and down, waving your arms and screaming "WE'RE DIFFERENT! WE'RE MORE POSIX COMPLIANT!"
[03:13] <runlevelten> Because I would have told them to pop such and such in a shell script, and they're going to read about the #!/bin/sh shebang  when they find out how to make a shell script online
[03:13] <runlevelten> and they wouldn't know why it didn't work, and may not realise it didn't work, heh
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Minataku: you're welcome to watch in #ubuntu-devel
[03:14] <Minataku> Actually, I better go to the bathroom... about to have an emergency :\
[03:15] <MaTiAz> :D
[03:15] <[Apollo] > ...
[03:15] <runlevelten> Don't spend too long examining the logs.
[03:15] <MaTiAz> lol
[03:16] <MaTiAz> Hmm, the current nvidia drivers support 8000 series, right?
[03:16] <Minataku> runlevelten: /dev/toilet is a symlink to /dev/null
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ...
[03:16] <Minataku> Of course it passes through a temporary memory buffer first
[03:16] <Minataku> Which is then flushed to the destination
[03:17] <MaTiAz> I love it when nerds talk about normal stuff with computer language
[03:17] <Minataku> Heehee
[03:17] <Minataku> Anyway, I found my reading material
[03:17] <[Apollo] > lol
[03:17] <runlevelten> Of course, you have to tail that log slowly, don't want an unmanageably large amount of output in one go.
[03:17] <[Apollo] > STOP IT NOW
[03:17] <[Apollo] > I'M eating
[03:18] <MaTiAz> haha
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Minataku: dude.  seriously.  inappropriate.
[03:18] <MaTiAz> I watched C.S.I. when I was eating my lunch
[03:18] <MaTiAz> I actually got it down without it coming up :)
[03:18] <runlevelten> | sed s/poo/relevant/g
[03:19] <Silent_G> Graham, libgnome-2 is already installed
[03:19] <polys> cyprus
[03:30] <yudy> hi everyone
[03:30] <granddaddy> hey guys
[03:31] <yudy> just installed my kubuntu linux
[03:31] <yudy> what's the next step?
[03:31] <yudy> can anyone help?
[03:32] <hero> well, what do you want to do?
[03:32] <hero> (you're in the right place, btw)
[03:33] <yudy> what thing should I set after installation finished?
[03:33] <hero> yudy: i'm not sure i understand your question.
[03:33] <yudy> security? update?
[03:34] <ttan> can anyone help me with asus wl-138g v2??? please!
[03:34] <yudy> do I have to update kubuntu like windows using windows update?
[03:34] <caboose_1980> how does someone with windows get konversation?
[03:34] <hero> !apt-get > yudy
[03:35] <hero> caboose_1980: konversation does not run on windows
[03:35] <caboose_1980> oh
[03:35] <caboose_1980> are you serious?
[03:35] <hero> caboose_1980: if you don't believe me, ask in #konversation
[03:36] <yudy> ok
[03:36] <yudy> i'll try them out
[03:36] <yudy> thx hero
[03:36] <hero> caboose_1980: x-chat will run on windows, though
[03:36] <ttan> caboose tried with cgywin?
[03:36] <caboose_1980> wait...no you have to compile KDE for windows
[03:36] <hero> yudy: no problem. you might also consider reading the current kubuntu guide
[03:36] <yudy> ok, thx for the advice :)
[03:36] <hero> yudy: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:37] <hero> caboose_1980: i suggest you ask in #konversation
[03:37] <caboose_1980> ok
[03:37] <ttan> is there a wifi channel?
[03:38] <hero> !wifi
[03:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:39] <ttan> not the docs but a chat..
[03:39] <hero> well, you can ask here, and in a number of channels on freenode
[03:39] <hero> you also may consider running a channel /list but i wouldn't recommend that if you're on a slow connection
[03:40] <ttan> ok,  thanks.. i've just a problem with the asus wl-138g v2--
[03:41] <hero> in my experience, it's difficult to find the right wifi stuff
[03:41] <hero> you might just hang out until things get real active in here and then ask
[03:41] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[03:41] <ttan> yes.. i had some troubles to activate the pci card, now it founds the networks but doesn't connect--
[03:42] <hero> ttan: why not just try the link ubotu pasted for you for starters?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> thanks genii :)
[03:43] <genii> Anytime
[03:43] <ttan> tried yet..
[03:49] <samaris> hello ?
[03:50] <samaris> someone can help me pliz?
[03:50] <genii> samaris Just say what your problem is then maybe someone will know how to help you
[03:50] <pag> samaris, with what?
[03:51] <samaris> i have a notebook gateway mt3707 and i just intall ubuntu and i cant get any sound
[03:52] <hero> !sound > samaris
[03:52] <caboose_1980> yea type that in konsole or terminal
[03:54] <samaris> with sound
[03:54] <hero> samaris: read what ubotu messaged you
[03:56] <samaris> yes im reading
[03:59] <korobase> hi,all
[03:59] <korobase> How to let the man tool show the C's functions?
[04:00] <grul>
[04:00] <grul> korobase, i   manpages-dev                                                                - Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development
[04:01] <grul> korobase, then you have man pages for exec, fork, open, close, read, etc.
[04:01] <korobase> Ok,Thank you very much!
[04:08] <anandanbu> How do i change the permissions for my USB pen drive to enable the write support
[04:08] <hero> chmod?
[04:09] <pag> anandanbu, which FS does the pen-drive have?
[04:09] <anandanbu> pag: it has FAT32 iam able to read from it but not able to write to it
[04:10] <ksivaji> hi
[04:10] <pag> anandanbu, it's probably mounted with some wrong options (I don't know the right ones - sorry)  open your filemanager with root-permissions, and see if you can write that way
[04:10] <pag> hello ksivaji :)
[04:10] <ksivaji> hi pag
[04:11] <anandanbu> pag: how do i open the file manager with root permissions
[04:11] <pag> anandanbu, alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror /media/
[04:12] <anandanbu> pag: how in gnome
[04:12] <pag> gksudo nautilus  maybe?
[04:12] <ksivaji> hi stdin
[04:13] <anandanbu> pag: thanks for the kind help
[04:14] <genii> gksu
[04:16] <ttan> well, some help with asus wl-138g v2??
[04:17] <ksivaji> !ask
[04:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:19] <ttan> sorry! well, the pci is installed on kubu 7.04, finds the network but doesn't connect to them..-
[04:22] <ttan> so?
[04:23] <operaciones> hay alguien de venezuela
[04:24] <pag> !es | operaciones
[04:24] <ubotu> operaciones: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:24] <jamalis> no pero hablo un poquito espagnol
[04:39] <Silent_G>  can somebody help me? when someone sends me a message or anything the channels and the messages are not being highlited , only the toolbar is beeing highlighted
[04:39] <pag> Silent_G, which client?
[04:39] <Silent_G> Xchat :S
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Silent_G: probably depends on if they're actually using your nick in the message or not
[04:40] <Silent_G> yes but i want the nicknames in the side to be highlighted when they talk to me
[04:40] <Silent_G> and i want the channels to be in a colour when someone talks in that channel
[04:40] <Silent_G> you know what i mean
[04:41] <pag> Silent_G, sorry, but the only advice I can give, is try to look in the settings. I don't have XChat installed, so I can't look it for you.
[04:41] <Silent_G> heh ok
[04:43] <BluesKaj> Silent_G,  look in settings/preferences/colors
[04:43] <Silent_G> yes the colours are setted
[04:43] <Silent_G> but still :S
[04:44] <Silent_G> maybe i should delete it and re-install it?
[04:45] <pag> Silent_G, btw. Xchat or xchat-gnome?
[04:45] <Silent_G> xchat
[04:45] <pag> ok.. there should be settings for highlights... try to look there
[04:51] <BluesKaj> hmm, trying xchat for the first time in ages , now i know why I seldom use it :)
[04:51] <Lattyware> BluesKaj: What do you use?
[04:51] <amnesiac> amnesiac isback from second life ---- freakt on it for weeks its a nice virtual world
[04:51] <amnesiac> hi folks
[04:51] <BluesKaj> usually konverstation
[04:52] <Lattyware> BluesKaj: Konversation sucks! It's so watered down.
[04:52] <elite101> sweet red alert2 yuris revenge works!!!
[04:52] <Lattyware> Although frankly, I don't think any IRC client is powerful enough. All of them seem very watered down.
[04:52] <elite101> just installing it now
[04:53] <BluesKaj> well, to each his own. The only thing Konverstaion lacks is a server auto-list
[04:53] <Lattyware> Irssi is probably the best thing there. But I really don't want to use a CLI app like that, so xChat is is.
[04:53] <runlevelten> erc and irssi alright.
[04:53] <amnesiac> trie to find irc warscripts when you are looking for a nice irc prog
[04:54] <amnesiac> irssi is a nice thing
[04:54] <runlevelten> warscripts. Whatever.
[04:54] <grml> is there a way to auto-reconfigure the X11? my xorg.conf file is no longer running
[04:55] <Lattyware> grml: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ?
[04:55] <Lattyware> sprry
[04:55] <Lattyware> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:55] <Lattyware> even
[04:55] <amnesiac> grml: the command is in the konsole sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:55] <BluesKaj> in the CLI , grml , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:55] <grml> Lattyware: i tried that with xserver-xorg but it does not detect any hardware correctly
[04:56] <amnesiac> trie the -phigh dude
[04:57] <miles> ok
[04:57] <miles> i am here
[04:59] <amnesiac> out of time
[05:00] <amnesiac> oei wrong chat window
[05:00] <amnesiac> lol
[05:00] <amnesiac> hi elite
[05:01] <BluesKaj> grml, in the k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card or monitor , or both...from the drop down list find the appropriate driver forthe hardware, choose the driver, and click 'apply'
[05:03] <amnesiac> are there any wardrivers in tha house??? have probs with kismet.scource
[05:03] <amnesiac> ???
[05:03] <amnesiac> ok i guess not
[05:06] <miles> laffs
[05:07] <runlevelten> BluesKaj: what do you mean by server autolist?
[05:09] <miles> you guys just would not believe how frickin hilarious my co-workers are!
[05:09] <miles> sike!
[05:09] <runlevelten> miles: in what way?
[05:09] <miles> nah im just messing around, they suck
[05:12] <miles> hey so in order to mount a samba share, you must first mount it using smbclient, correct?
[05:14] <BluesKaj> runlevelten, on xchat , mirc and other IRC clients the irc servers are automatically listed with optional inputs from the user ... konverstion no aotmatic server list ...all servers are input by the user
[05:15] <sdlnxgk> anyone good at video card issues??
[05:16] <runlevelten> So you'd prefer to see the server list from the other clients bundled with konversation too?
[05:16] <sdlnxgk> been going on two days and can't get my xorg.conf file to stay once rebooted
[05:16] <BluesKaj> not other clients
[05:17] <sdlnxgk> anyway to reset KDE user parameters?
[05:17] <runlevelten> sdlnxgk: log out, move the .kde folder, log in again
[05:17] <sdlnxgk> in root xorg.conf works great but in my user I have to keep going to config after ever boot up
[05:18] <runlevelten> BluesKaj: not other clients? from where then?
[05:18] <sdlnxgk> runlevelten, thanks will give that a shot, been driving me crazy only think I can  think of
[05:18] <sdlnxgk> brb
[05:19] <BluesKaj> runlevelten, it should be built in
[05:19] <zero> my nvidia drivers wont work :9
[05:20] <runlevelten> Yeah, that's what I said. The server list you get in other clients, bundled with konversation.
[05:20] <roald_> zero: what have you tried?
[05:21] <zero> i just downloaded the file
[05:21] <zero> tried to run it and it told me x was running so i couldnt install them
[05:22] <zero> i entered console and installed from there
[05:22] <miles> #samba
[05:22] <zero> typed startx and worked
[05:22] <zero> everything was fine
[05:22] <zero> then i rebooted and it stopped working :(
[05:22] <Yorokobi> zero, downloaded the file from the Ubuntu repositories or from the nVidia website?
[05:23] <zero> nvidia site
[05:23] <Yorokobi> zero, why not use the repository version?
[05:23] <zero> i tried to dl from adept but had the same result
[05:24] <Yorokobi> zero, did you change the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia"?
[05:24] <zero> no i didnt knew i should do that...
[05:24] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:24] <zero> i once installed drivers from automatix and worked fine without having to do anything
[05:24] <amayera> hi
[05:25] <Yorokobi> automatix? oy
[05:25] <zero> what?
[05:25] <BluesKaj> zero, you got lucky :)
[05:25] <Yorokobi> automatix breaks as much (if not more) than it tries to fix
[05:25] <amayera> are there plans to build KDE 4.0 Beta 1 for kubuntu and give a server for that?
[05:25] <cho> #kubuntu-de
[05:25] <cho> ups
[05:25] <zero> i didnt knew that...
[05:25] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:25] <zero> it is good i dont use it now
[05:25] <BluesKaj> !automatix | zero
[05:25] <ubotu> zero: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:25] <zero> so what should i do to make it work?
[05:25] <zero> omg
[05:26] <zero> thats why i had to reinstall kubuntu...
[05:26] <Yorokobi> zero, purge the nvidia-glx* packages, rm the file from the NV website, reboot, then try again via aptitude/adept
[05:26] <zero> w8
[05:26] <zero> i am kinda confused
[05:26] <amayera> are there plans to build KDE 4.0 Beta 1 for kubuntu and give a server for that?
[05:26] <zero> what does purge mean?
[05:27] <Yorokobi> zero, sudo aptitude purge nvidia-glx-*
[05:27] <BluesKaj> removes all files including configure
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !purge
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <BluesKaj> bumb ubot
[05:28] <Cool_gamer8119> Wow. Lots of people come ang go on this server.....
[05:28] <elite101> hey i am having problems trying to mount a hdd
[05:28] <BluesKaj> err dumbumb ubotu
[05:28] <elite101> it has windows ME on it but it wont mount for some reason?
[05:29] <zero> what will i do after running this cmd yokorobi?
[05:29] <sdlnxgk> ok who was it that just helped me??
[05:29] <dr_willis> Not me. :)
[05:29] <sdlnxgk> about moving the .kde to another folder !!!
[05:30] <Yorokobi> zero, once it is purged, run 'sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new'
[05:30] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:30] <dr_willis> moving the .kde directory to like .kde_old ?
[05:30] <sdlnxgk> now I know how to fix all the damn problems I have been having issues with :)
[05:30] <sdlnxgk> dr_willis yes well that was the fix
[05:30] <dr_willis> ive had issues in the past with upgrades and old .kde settings.
[05:30] <Graham> sdlnxgk: Why would you want to do that?
[05:30] <dr_willis> gnome alsi gave me some issues.
[05:30] <cmvo> Hi! I'm having a strange problem in kword in edgy: The open and save dialogs hang with a
[05:30] <elite101> why isnt my harddrive mounting
[05:30] <sdlnxgk> been having issues when playing some games it changes the resolution then it will not stay and the kicker pager panel will not load
[05:31] <dr_willis> elite101,  try dmesg to see if any errors show up.. perhaps give us more details.
[05:31] <elite101> whats dmesg?
[05:31] <cmvo> "DCOP aborting while waiting for answer from 'kded'" error message on the command line. Anybody seen this problem?
[05:31] <sdlnxgk> Graham, because KDE was being gay and didn't want to keep a setting for my nvidia card
[05:31] <elite101> it says connont mount hdd cables are lose or something
[05:31] <dr_willis> elite101,  a command you type in the shell
[05:31] <zero> the new one you mean from the nvidia site yokorobi?
[05:31] <elite101> okay
[05:31] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:31] <dr_willis> elite101,  that would be a suprising error message when it says 'cables are loose'
[05:32] <elite101> there is way to much stuff to read in the konsole
[05:32] <sdlnxgk> Zero not a new card no... but  wouldn't work with any driver I used... the xorg.conf file was correct but just wouldn't use it for some odd reason
[05:32] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:32] <Yorokobi> zero, no, the one from the Ubuntu repositories. It works so there's no need to get the one from the NV website
[05:32] <sdlnxgk> but all fixed now
[05:32] <zero> you mean from adept?
[05:33] <elite101> please check if the deviece is plugged in?
[05:33] <dr_willis> elite101,  try mounting it manually, see if it fails and with what error.
[05:33] <Yorokobi> zero, yup. The aptitude command I provided above will do it for you better than adept
[05:33] <Cool_gamer8119> How do I upgrade from Kubuntu 6.10 to Kubuntu 7.04?
[05:33] <elite101> it does
[05:33] <pag> !upgrade | Cool_gamer8119
[05:33] <ubotu> Cool_gamer8119: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[05:33] <sdlnxgk> maybe you need to turn the switch on in /etc/fstab so it will mount when it boots up ;)
[05:33] <zero> the purge cmd?
[05:34] <Cool_gamer8119> Ok thanks.
[05:34] <Yorokobi> zero, the purge then the install (sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new)
[05:34] <dr_willis> bbl.
[05:35] <elite101> its missing something /devhdb1/
[05:35] <elite101> and etc/fstab
[05:35] <elite101> or etc/mtab
[05:36] <zero> sudo aptitude purge NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run ?
[05:36] <roald_> purge nvidia-glx*
[05:36] <Yorokobi> zero, no, that's not a Ubuntu package, you can just 'rm NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run'
[05:37] <zero> i rmed it
[05:38] <zero> and i did the second cmd
[05:38] <roald_> zero: remember, always try to install something via the repository, using adept, apt-get or aptitude
[05:38] <sdlnxgk> ok brb need to get SLI back up and working
[05:38] <elite101> can any help me
[05:39] <zero> which one is better to use?
[05:39] <dr_willis> elite101,  i think you may want to go read a starter/tutorial guide on how drives are mounted under linux.
[05:39] <zero> i had some problem with apt-get before...
[05:39] <dr_willis> elite101,  yore not being very clear on the error mesages, or what you are trying to do exactly
[05:39] <elite101> it wount mount i tried everything its a NTFS partition they just wont mount
[05:39] <Yorokobi> zero, aptitude is the best to use from the command line as it will automatically try to resolve package dependencies better than apt-get
[05:39] <zero> it is installed...so now i try to see if it works?
[05:40] <elite101> mount it so i can copy afile who is that not clear?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> roald_, installing video drivers is the exception to the rule , altho i do agree that using apt, adept and synaptic , is usually the best way.
[05:40] <Yorokobi> zero, did you run 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable'?
[05:40] <dr_willis> elite101,  the fact its NTFS is a very imporntant fact
[05:41] <zero> i will :D
[05:41] <dr_willis> and the fact you want to write to it is ANOTHER imprortant fact
[05:41] <zero> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[05:41] <dr_willis> !info ntfs-config
[05:41] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[05:41] <zero> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[05:41] <elite101> i said that up there^^
[05:41] <zero> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[05:41] <zero> command:
[05:41] <zero> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[05:41] <zero> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[05:41] <zero> from nv to nvidia.
[05:41] <zero> :(
[05:41] <dr_willis> elite101,  i woudl suggest installing ntfs-config , and running it with 'sudo ntfs-config'
[05:41] <roald_> BluesKaj: you are right about the video drivers, but then you could make a deb too, right?
[05:42] <OuZo> when i plug my flash drive in nothing happens. it works in gnome... is there something i need to change? thanks
[05:42] <Yorokobi> zero, then use 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and change "nv" to "nvidia"
[05:42] <BluesKaj> roald_, maybe you could...i've never attempted to make a .deb
[05:42] <elite101> it wont mount at all and now eveytime i type my monitor is getting screwed it is getting fuzzy for some reason? i need a new computer
[05:43] <zero> xorg.conf is blank...
[05:43] <thrilla> hey all
[05:43] <jhutchins_lt> zero: You must open it as root using sudo or kdesu.
[05:43] <thrilla> i need a bit of help
[05:43] <zero> i opened with nano
[05:44] <pag> !ask | thrilla
[05:44] <ubotu> thrilla: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:44] <jhutchins_lt> zero: You must still open it using sudo or kdesu.
[05:44] <thrilla> trying to install kubuntu i keep getting a error about hdc when installing
[05:44] <BluesKaj> zero,you still need permission
[05:44] <zero> oh
[05:44] <zero> if i open like sudo nano?
[05:44] <thrilla> something about try to boot using irqpoll
[05:45] <BluesKaj> zero, in order to edit a file ..permission is always required
[05:45] <thrilla> what the heck do i do?
[05:45] <zero> i knew that :P
[05:45] <BluesKaj> yeah , i use kdesu kate in the run command myself
[05:46] <zero> i make driver "nv" driver "nvidia" ?
[05:46] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 , zero
[05:46] <Yorokobi> zero, yes. Then save+quit and restart X
[05:46] <jhutchins_lt> thrilla: Are you able to boot to the live CD?  Does this happen after the install when you try to start the new installation?
[05:47] <zero> wish me luck :)
[05:47] <thrilla> no it happens during install of kubuntu
[05:47] <thrilla> the live cd won't boot either
[05:47] <thrilla> i get the menu, but after picking to start the install it gives the error
[05:48] <BluesKaj> Yorokobi, yup :)
[05:48] <thrilla> i let it go for about 10 minutes to make sure it wasn't just some garbage i didn't understand
[05:48] <thrilla> and keept on looping the error message
[05:48] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, luck is too fickle :)
[05:48] <pag> thrilla, do as kernel suggest, and try to boot with irqpoll
[05:49] <thrilla> how?
[05:49] <BluesKaj> Yorokobi, yeah , good and bad luck ...wish him goodluck
[05:49] <runlevelten> God I love awk :D
[05:50] <pag> thrilla, when you boot, there should be an option to edit boot options.. choose that, and write ircpoll between quiet and splash so the end of the bootline would look like ..."quiet irqpoll splash"
[05:50] <thrilla> you mean press f6?
[05:51] <pag> thrilla, maybe... I haven't used live-cd for a while, so I don't know the exact shortcuts
[05:51] <thrilla> ok, i'll give it a try and see what happens
[05:51] <thrilla> if not i'll bbl
[05:55] <zero> it didnt work :(
[05:55] <zero> Fatal server error:
[05:55] <zero> no screens found
[05:55] <Yorokobi> zero, what nvidia card do you have?
[05:55] <zero> Gforce FX 5200
[05:56] <zero> worked fine before
[05:56] <zero> i reinstalled kubuntu and everything is worse
[05:56] <zero> :(
[05:56] <zero> i thought linux would not be like windows
[05:57] <zero> ?
[05:57] <Yorokobi> zero, instead of nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-legacy (for older cards)
[05:58] <zero> i am not sure if my card is new or legacy...
[05:58] <zero> i will google
[05:58] <BluesKaj> zero, have you checked system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card
[06:00] <thrilla> error still
[06:00] <zero> sometimes i click admin mode and it stucks really annoying
[06:00] <pag> I think it's just nvidia-glx  -legacy is for cards older than GF2 and -new for 8000-series  iirc.
[06:00] <ubuntu> cz3sc
[06:00] <pag> thrilla, the same one?
[06:00] <zero> and what do i do then?
[06:00] <thrilla> now i am getting errors on hdc logical block errors
[06:00] <ubuntu> czesc
[06:00] <zero> :S
[06:00] <ubuntu> jestescie specami od ubuntu???
[06:00] <thrilla> is my hd fuxored?
[06:00] <pag> !cz | ubuntu
[06:00] <ubotu> ubuntu: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[06:01] <ubuntu> to nie czeski tylko polski!
[06:01] <pag> !pl
[06:01] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[06:01] <ubuntu> aha
[06:01] <ubuntu> to nara
[06:01] <zero> it was workin fine before with automatix but i dont want to install it now
[06:02] <BluesKaj> zero, have you checked system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card
[06:03] <zero> i have no drivers atm
[06:03] <thrilla> so what now?
[06:03] <zero> using the default xorg.conf
[06:03] <BluesKaj> zero,there maybe drivers listed
[06:03] <zero> i click admin mode
[06:03] <zero> and it stops and this is driving me crazy
[06:04] <pag> thrilla, dunno... you could try noapic and noacpi -options too, but I doubt they'll be any good... it feels like there's a problem with your HD
[06:04] <BluesKaj> zero, doesn't ask for password?
[06:04] <zero> no
[06:04] <obelix> does anyone knows any bartending software?
[06:04] <zero> and i like kubuntu so much
[06:04] <zero> but some things...
[06:05] <BluesKaj> ok zero,sudo dpkg --configure -a , in the terminal
[06:05] <thrilla> well, does kubuntu have any known issues with hardware?
[06:05] <BluesKaj> zero, then relogin
[06:06] <zero> ok
[06:06] <Yorokobi> thrilla, are you trying to install to a software RAID device (in particular, an nvidia or SiI controlled software RAID)?
[06:07] <thrilla> no, but i have a raid card installed
[06:07] <zero> i did it
[06:07] <zero> now?
[06:07] <thrilla> nothing is hooked up to it
[06:07] <BluesKaj> zero, try system settings again
[06:07] <zero> wont work GRRRRRRRRR
[06:08] <BluesKaj> ok, zero, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a in the terminal
[06:08] <zero> i found a distro i like and now i get 100 errors on a 2 days system...
[06:08] <thrilla> lol
[06:08] <BluesKaj> make sure system settings is closed
[06:08] <thrilla> my other box with kubuntu installed doesn't do this
[06:09] <jhutchins_lt> Man, it really should not be legal or possible to domain squat on a .org domain.
[06:09] <thrilla> thou it has 7 not 6 installed on it
[06:09] <zero> i did it blueskaj
[06:10] <BluesKaj> zero, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[06:10] <zero> yeah
[06:10] <zero> and settings open now
[06:10] <tams> hey
[06:10] <zero> thats what this cmd does?
[06:11] <thrilla> so what do i do in my case?
[06:12] <BluesKaj> zero, the cmnd  closes any instances of pending pkg installs or removals
[06:12] <zero> oh
[06:12] <lokto> hola alguien en espaol
[06:12] <zero> so i am at hardware now
[06:12] <BluesKaj> you had an install hangigng (incomplete) that was blocking access
[06:12] <BluesKaj> ok now admin mode
[06:12] <zero> yeah
[06:12] <zero> i am there
[06:13] <BluesKaj> what graphics card is listed ?
[06:13] <thrilla> the system was trying to protect itself
[06:13] <zero> NVIDIA GeForce FX
[06:13] <zero> (generic)
[06:13] <thrilla> anyhow, it may be the dvd i used
[06:13] <thrilla> have had problems with them before, this time i'll grab the cd version
[06:14] <BluesKaj> ok  zero click configure and look in the drop down list for your specific card
[06:14] <zero> there is no specific card
[06:14] <zero> only GeForce FX series
[06:14] <thrilla> then try that
[06:15] <zero> and it says video RAM 256kb
[06:15] <zero> :S
[06:15] <thrilla> i'm gonna watch tv while this thing downloads
[06:16] <thrilla> typo maybe?
[06:16] <zero> blueskaj?
[06:17] <BluesKaj> zero, did you click on "configure"
[06:17] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:17] <zero> yeah
[06:17] <BluesKaj> ok now , configure your monitor
[06:18] <zero> my monitor works fine
[06:19] <thrilla> better to make sure xwindows has the right settings zero
[06:19] <BluesKaj> zero,make sure you have the same monitor driver , if possible
[06:20] <BluesKaj> zero, ppl forget the monitor is important as well, the graphics card and monitor work as a team
[06:20] <killermach> I just did a fresh kubuntu install and smb4k doesn't work, I can do "sudo smbmount //server/share /mnt/point/ -o username=me" type in my pass and I get a mount, how to do I fix smb4k?
[06:20] <zero> but it worked fine before installing again :(
[06:20] <thrilla> not to mention wrong settings can kill your hardware
[06:22] <randy> !sound
[06:22] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:22] <BluesKaj> zero, when you change graphics drivers they have to work with the monitor as well
[06:22] <zero> should i install drivers and then uninstall it?
[06:22] <killermach> I already did a chmod +s for /usr/bin/smbmnt and smbumount which worked before on my previous install until yesterday
[06:22] <zero> should i install drivers with automatix and then uninstall it?
[06:23] <c2c2rock> i am attempting to migrate from mandriva 2007.1 to kubuntu-7.04-alternate-amd64 any tips and or places to go for help?
[06:24] <thrilla> lets hope downloading kubuntu 7 solves my issue
[06:24] <thrilla> the dam thing wont even install
[06:24] <zero> i cant reinstall kubuntu every time i get errors
[06:25] <thrilla> most times, you don't have to
[06:26] <killermach> kmix has no sound control, new install on Fiesty and all updates
[06:26] <randy> Hey everyone, Im having trouble with my soundcard and ive tried most of the things in those links and it still wont work.  Anyone else have a suggestion to try?
[06:27] <killermach> n/m on smb4k, I just clicked a share again, and it mounted.. hmm.. not sure what changed between asking here and trying again
[06:27] <thrilla> who knows
[06:27] <thrilla> i'd log out and log back in, try it agian to be sure it works
[06:28] <Yorokobi> killermach, sometimes you have to use alsamixer to set appropriate sound levels before kmix will work
[06:28] <rjb> why does konqueror insist that java applets shouldn't run?
[06:28] <rjb> anyone know of a fix?
[06:28] <killermach> Yorokobi, in System Settings? I've looked around in there and "test sound" button works, I have sound but no systray control
[06:29] <Yorokobi> killermach, alsamixer is a curses (terminal) app
[06:29] <Yorokobi> killermach, if you want a systray icon, kmix will work but you may have to tell it to use the systray
[06:30] <Yorokobi> kmix->Settings->Configure KMix->Dock into panel
[06:30] <killermach> Yorokobi, hmm.. I didn't have to change anything on my last install from the same 7.04 CD on this same machine
[06:31] <Yorokobi> killermach, *shrug*
[06:31] <killermach> Yorokobi, it's in the panel.. but no work
[06:31] <killermach> I've set the master channel to a few different ones but even in the mixer, none of the controls work when sound is playing
[06:31] <thrilla> i am burning it at 32x, never had any problems with that speed
[06:32] <c2c2rock> (2007-07-23 10:31:11) rjb:  why does konqueror insist that java applets shouldn't run? Settings>Configure konqueror > Java & JavaScript
[06:32] <c2c2rock> enable Globally
[06:32] <thrilla> ok, splash screen loaded fine
[06:32] <thrilla> is there a way to check the disk for errors?
[06:34] <Yorokobi> thrilla, the CD image has a check built into the Grub menu
[06:38] <randy> Hey everyone, Im having trouble with my soundcard and ive tried most of the things in those links and it still wont work.  Anyone else have a suggestion to try?
[06:39] <rototrolxtrol> hello
[06:39] <killermach> Yorokobi, ok .. I figured it out.. Select Master Channel needed to be Analog front, thanks for you input
[06:40] <Graham> Does anybody know how to execute commands from a shell?
[06:40] <Level15> Graham: what do you mean???
[06:40] <Yorokobi> Graham, um, type the name of the command ... ?
[06:41] <aphonis> Graham: is there something specific you are trying to do?
[06:41] <Graham> screen -d -m su -l et -c etded
[06:41] <Graham> Works when I run it from console, but when I run it from a script it doesn't work.
[06:42] <aphonis> are you sure you got the path to perl correct in your include?
[06:42] <Graham> No I'm not.
[06:43] <Yorokobi> aphonis, where does perl fit in there? Graham is it a perl script or shell script?
[06:43] <aphonis> Graham: yeah i was just assuming perl
[06:43] <Graham> Shell, lemme pastebin it for you.
[06:44] <Graham> Done: http://pastebin.com/m596e835b
[06:45] <Graham> Wait.
[06:45] <Graham> That's not right.
[06:45] <aphonis> did you chmod it to give it exec?
[06:45] <Graham> http://pastebin.com/m5f6d0f33
[06:46] <Graham> The script runs, because it echos that command.
[06:46] <Graham> I mean echo's that text "ET is running."
[06:46] <joules> hey guys .. so i found out kde was not for me ... i had it on ubuntu i uninstalled it but somehow my amarok is still showing the mac-style bar anyone knows how to fix this?
[06:46] <pag> Graham, try using /bin/bash instedad of /bin/sh
[06:46] <aphonis> try /bin/bash
[06:46] <aphonis> hey! no fair
[06:47] <BluesKaj> joules , maybe the #ubuntu channel is better for you , this is kubuntu where ppl actually like KDE
[06:47] <c2c2rock> lol
[06:47] <joules> ah .. nobody will help me there!
[06:47] <pag> joules, install kcontrol (it'll pull some depencies - nevermind them, remove them afterwards) navigate to Desktop -> behaviour
[06:48] <pag> joules, ...and disable 'mac-style bar'
[06:48] <Graham> Never worked.
[06:48] <Graham> Lemme try something.
[06:49] <joules> yeah i was going for that option if nobody knew i just dfidnt want to install all of kde and then uninstall again
[06:49] <joules> but thanks!
[06:49] <aphonis> i don't see it working if you don't chmod it
[06:49] <Graham> If I take the screen bit off it works.
[06:49] <joules> i guess kde loves are much nicer than gnome
[06:49] <Yorokobi> joules, make the switch. Drop Gnome.
[06:49] <Level15> joules: my guess is you can do it w/o installing kde
[06:50] <c2c2rock> < xfce4 kde 3.5 and gnome mixed desktop on mandriva looking to do the same with kubuntu
[06:50] <joules> haha i'like kde its just that running gnome and kde at the same time annoys me because it gives me so many apps...
[06:50] <caboose_1980> does anybody have firefox 1.5 for konsole?
[06:51] <Level15> caboose_1980: what is that?
[06:51] <pag> Level15, joules; it can also be done by removing some configuration files from ~/.kde/share/config/  but since I have no idea which ones, I didn't start to guess
[06:51] <doug_> hey could someone help me with java?
[06:51] <sdlnxgk> does anyone know  where I can get samples of xorg.conf files to find out why my SLI is not being seen in nvidia-xconfig..
[06:51] <caboose_1980> oh nvm
[06:51] <pag> !java | doug_
[06:51] <ubotu> doug_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:51] <Yorokobi> joules, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/
[06:52] <doug_> pag: i installed rpm and then tried to do the rpm installation but it didn't go through do you want the output?
[06:52] <joules> yeah i did come across that ill do it some time im bored
[06:52] <pag> doug_, don't touch .rpm's for the sake of your system :P
[06:52] <caboose_1980> no codes for konsole?
[06:53] <caboose_1980> downloads i mean
[06:53] <joules> Yorokobi: do you know if it shows firefox/thunderbird/pidgin and all those apps in both?
[06:53] <doug_> pag: lol i'm going to paste the output to make sure i'm not screwed
[06:53] <Level15> caboose_1980: i don't understand what you are asking...
[06:53] <pag> doug_, enable multiverse and command  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[06:53] <caboose_1980> then nevermind
[06:53] <Yorokobi> joules, I don't. Let me ask Zelut ... 1m
[06:53] <joules> i like the kde environment much more but i dont like kopete
[06:53] <doug_> root@doug-laptop:/usr/java# rpm -iv jre*.rpm > /home/doug/Desktop/log.txt
[06:53] <doug_> error: Failed dependencies:
[06:53] <sdlnxgk> anyone using SLI and wish to share there xorg.conf file??
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/basename is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/cat is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/cp is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:53] <pag> !multiverse | doug_
[06:53] <ubotu> doug_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:53] <joules> and all those little kprograms
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/gawk is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/grep is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/ln is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <sdlnxgk> !pastbin
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <pag> !paste | doug_
[06:54] <ubotu> doug_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/ls is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <joules> dont get me wrong there are some games and amarok that are amazing
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/mkdir is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/mv is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/pwd is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <aphonis> doug_: please stop
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/rm is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/sed is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/sort is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <Yorokobi> !spam | doug_
[06:54] <ubotu> doug_: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/touch is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /usr/bin/cut is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /usr/bin/dirname is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <randy> oh jesus
[06:54] <doug_>         /usr/bin/expr is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <randy> i yhink hes lagging
[06:55] <aphonis> !paste | doug_
[06:55] <ubotu> doug_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/find is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/tail is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/tr is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/wc is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /bin/sh is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_> pag: sorry
[06:55] <doug_> all: sorry
[06:55] <joules> haha
[06:55] <doug_> I wasn't spamming i didn't know how to do pastebin please stop attacking me i heard it already 10 times
[06:55] <Graham> doug_: Don't spam.
[06:55] <randy> XD
[06:55] <pag> doug_, did you get the message about multiverse?
[06:55] <doug_> what is it pag?
[06:56] <Graham> I want to know! What message about multiverse?
[06:56] <Level15> ssh tunneling is cool...
[06:56] <doug_> Graham:  I just told you i didn't spam and if it was it was on accident
[06:56] <pag> doug_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:57] <Yorokobi> joules, yeah, the solution Zelut has on his blog will remove comman apps from one of the environments (if not both)
[06:57] <Silent_G> hello, can someone tell me how can change permisions of a removable device in a GUI a program instead of console?
[06:57] <doug_> pag: thanks, but could someone help me with my output? because it's saying it can't find a whole bunch of folders in /bin/
[06:58] <Yorokobi> joules, he adds:  If you'd like the common apps still shared just
[06:58] <Yorokobi>                           remove the OnlyShowIn= option in the .desktop file
[06:58] <pag> !rpm | doug_
[06:58] <aphonis> Silent_G: right click on it select properties and then permissions
[06:58] <ubotu> doug_: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:58] <Yorokobi> st00pid line break
[06:58] <Silent_G> aphonis, yeah but only root can modify them :S
[06:58] <doug_> what's all this exclamation points and "|"s?
[06:59] <pag> doug_, the way to tell ubotu to tell you about something
[06:59] <pag> !ubotu | doug_
[06:59] <ubotu> doug_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:59] <joules> pag: yeah it worked as i suspected thanks!
[06:59] <doug_> pag: thanks
[07:00] <aphonis> Silent_G: kdesu konqueror in konsole
[07:00] <doug_> pag: when i do it in Adept, java 6 fails
[07:00] <Silent_G> ok
[07:00] <joules> Yorokobi: thanks i guess i will look into it more i just wish the default for ubuntu was kde, but w.e thanks again
[07:00] <pag> doug_, iirc java shouldn't be installed through adept
[07:00] <rjb> pag: whynot?
[07:00] <doug_> use the tar file then?
[07:01] <Graham> doug_: It was a joke :)
[07:01] <Yorokobi> joules, the default for Ubuntu is KDE if you use the Kubuntu ISO :)
[07:01] <Level15> i installed using adept...
[07:01] <galathalion> what program do i use to play a cd?
[07:01] <doug_> Graham: no problem
[07:01] <aphonis> amarok
[07:01] <pag> doug_, just open konsole, and type: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[07:01] <galathalion> i tried KsCD but it went fubar
[07:01] <Silent_G> aphonis, i opened it with sudo konqueror, is it the same?
[07:02] <aphonis> Silent_G: yeah
[07:02] <pag> Level15, rjb; oh, it's working nowdays? Great to hear that - I remembered that it stucks at the license
[07:02] <dr_willis> using 'sudo konqueror' is not a good idea.
[07:02] <dr_willis> if you must run the filemanager as 'root' be sure to close it out as soon as you are done doing the root needing tasks.
[07:02] <Level15> pag: i think... but now i'm not so sure... maybe i did it on the konsole
[07:02] <aphonis> dr_willis: he wants to change permissions of a device with konqueror, not many other options
[07:02] <dr_willis> a device? what device?
[07:03] <aphonis> dr_willis: who knows
[07:03] <Minataku> lo, dr_willis
[07:03] <joules> Yorokobi: fine ill do the switch within the next few weeks :-P
[07:03] <dr_willis> i constantly see people asking how to do somthing.. and they are approaching the 'real' problem wrongly.
[07:03] <doug_> pag: it says i already have it? lol
[07:03] <Graham> Does anybody here play enemy territory?
[07:03] <dr_willis> hay Minataku  - I got about 40lb of books  on amiga programing/hardware specs and so forth.. :) i just found.
[07:04] <pag> doug_, then it should probably work - restart your browser and enjoy
[07:04] <aphonis> dr_willis: yeah, i feel the best thing is to show how to do what they are asking the way they want to....and then they can learn from their mistakes
[07:04] <doug_> thanks
[07:04] <joules> its so sweet to have amarok being cool and not a weirdo among my apps :)
[07:04] <rjb> doug_: which browser?
[07:04] <dr_willis> aphonis,  classic case. people trying to chmod/chown /media/windowsdrive :)
[07:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh, way too much for me to foot shipping on that, now
[07:04] <doug_> rjb: firefox
[07:04] <aphonis> dr_willis: indeed
[07:04] <rjb> ok, then restart and should work
[07:04] <dr_willis> Minataku,  im not even sure how much it would cost.  suppose i could check some time. 10th class. :) heh
[07:05] <Minataku> Heh
[07:05] <Minataku> A lot, trust me
[07:05] <Silent_G> aphonis, still its giving me an error, Could not change permissions for /media/CANON_DC
[07:05] <galathalion> my cd-driver doesnt work. how do i fix it?
[07:05] <rjb> (java is on by default in firefox)
[07:05] <dr_willis> Im trying to get things sorted out and cleaned out.  Collecting up packing materials at work when i can find it also.
[07:05] <randy> When I open my alsamixer (sound still not working) it says "View: [Playback]  Capture All"  How do I make it View All?
[07:05] <Mikey1310> hi can anybody help me run the live CD
[07:07] <rjb> (otoh java behaves weirdly in feisty's konqueror)
[07:07] <doug_> thank you all!
[07:07] <rjb> (but maybe just for me cause i've asked about it like 50 times on this channel, to no response)
[07:08] <Mikey1310> ok
[07:08] <Level15> rjb: it works fine for me... even on amd64
[07:10] <rjb> Level15: i didn't say it doesn't work
[07:10] <rjb> what happens is konq switches off support for java applets every time i close an applet
[07:11] <Level15> rjb: ok, it works not weirdly for me :)
[07:11] <nacho> hi
[07:11] <nacho> good morning
[07:11] <rjb> i mean te toggle in Tools: HTML settings: Java goes to off
[07:11] <rjb> and i have to switch it back on manually every time i want to load an applet
[07:12] <pag> nacho, good $timeOfTheDay to you too :)
[07:12] <Level15> rjb: lol! that's weird... maybe it's a file permission issue with your konq config file? (just guessing)
[07:12] <nacho> i have istaled kubuntu
[07:12] <nacho> but i want install apache2
[07:12] <Apollo_> Will--some time in the far future--WINE be perfect in a way that you can run any windows program without it crashing or letting you question the meaning of life? Any thoughts?
[07:13] <pag> !lamp | nacho
[07:13] <ubotu> nacho: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:13] <nacho> but /etc/apache2
[07:13] <nacho> not contains httpd.conf
[07:14] <Level15> [Apollo] : dunno about wine, but i saw some promising OS project which aims at full binary compatibility with Windows
[07:14] <Yorokobi> nacho, it is called apache2.conf
[07:15] <randy> say i wanna edit a file from the console, is there a command similar to gedit?
[07:16] <Sanne> randy: kate
[07:16] <nacho> yes, but i type apache2ctl test and apache2 have a erros
[07:16] <pag> !nano | randy
[07:16] <ubotu> randy: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:16] <nacho> the https.conf, not exist
[07:16] <randy> thanks
[07:17] <Yorokobi> nacho, apache2ctl is /etc/init.d/apache2 (start|stop|reload) in Debian-based distros
[07:17] <aphonis> don't forget about pico
[07:17] <pag> aphonis, pico is just a symlink to nano by default
[07:17] <nacho> the service is running but not in execution
[07:17] <aphonis> pag: realy!?
[07:17] <aphonis> really
[07:17] <aphonis> i didn't know that
[07:18] <pag> aphonis, when I type pico in my konsole, it reads "GNU nono" at the top, so I guess it is a symlink
[07:18] <pag> nano even :P
[07:19] <aphonis> wild...i guess i never paid attention
[07:19] <rjb> [Apollo] : not likely i tink
[07:19] <rjb> think*
[07:20] <pag> aphonis, and by the way: so seems to be the case with vi too, it's symlinked to vim
[07:21] <nacho> sudo apache2ctl configtest
[07:21] <Yorokobi> nacho, 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 configtest'
[07:23] <CS5> I am trying to run a game using wine and I get the output found in this pastebin...http://pastebin.com/m1d4a5874 Could anyone help please.
[07:24] <nacho> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[07:25] <Topsun> CSS: do you have the direct rendering driver installed?
[07:26] <genii> nacho Is line189 just some "include" line or similar?
[07:26] <Lynoure> nacho: does it not exist or are the permissions just too tight? If former, reninstalling would work. Or you can get copy of mine.
[07:26] <Yorokobi> nacho, either run 'sudo touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf' or remove line 189 from /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[07:27] <nacho> ok
[07:27] <Topsun> shouldn't the httpd.conf be empty?
[07:27] <Yorokobi> Topsun, yep
[07:27] <genii> Yorokobi: Yes, since the httpd.conf is more or less a placeholder now
[07:27] <mray>  is there a way to re-write the fstab automatically (repeating the dection algorythms of the installer)?
[07:27] <CS5> Topsun: I am not sure, 1 moment.
[07:28] <nacho> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[07:29] <TheCreationist> Is there any way to move free space from partition #4 to partition #1 without reformatting everything?
[07:29] <Yorokobi> nacho, that's typical and shouldn't stop Apache from starting
[07:29] <nacho> i remove line 189
[07:29] <mray> TheCreationist: I think you can do that with gparted.
[07:30] <CS5> Topsun: I have libdrm installed.
[07:30] <nacho> http://localhost/ does not work
[07:30] <jhutchins_lt> You know, if he has 188 lines in httpd.conf, he's probably not working with the conf.d model, but with one that wants an actual .conf file.
[07:30] <fdoving> TheCreationist: as mray says, check out the gparted livecd, it's a 50MB iso download. google for gparted live
[07:30] <jhutchins_lt> nacho: Next time don't delete, comment it out.
[07:30] <CS5> and libgl1- GLX and DRI
[07:30] <Yorokobi> jhutchins_lt, 188+ lines in apache2.conf
[07:30] <Topsun> CSS: no i mean somthing like the ati fglrx driver or the nvidia driver
[07:30] <nacho> yes only coment
[07:30] <CS5> Oh yes
[07:31] <jhutchins_lt> nacho: Does /var/log/httpd/errors.log (or something like it) have anything useful?
[07:31] <CS5> ATI fglrx working great other than this.
[07:31] <Yorokobi> nacho, did you start Apache? or did you get the error from the configtest only?
[07:31] <jhutchins_lt> does httpd -t return anything useful?
[07:31] <nacho> i can't start
[07:32] <Yorokobi> nacho, it won't start because of the ServerName warning?
[07:32] <Yorokobi> nacho, or is there something else?
[07:32] <Topsun> CSS: try 'glxinfo |grep direct' in a console
[07:32] <genii> no server name/IP to latch onto would be my first guess
[07:33] <nacho> the service is running but not in ejcution
[07:33] <CS5> topsun i got this output Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:33] <CS5> direct rendering: No
[07:33] <CS5> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:34] <Topsun> CSS: then you don't have 3d accelleration :/
[07:34] <TheCreationist> mray, fdoving:  GParted will let me do that?  Seems like I would have to move partitions 2-4 further back on the drive in order to add space to #1.
[07:34] <CS5> topsun, oic, can you help with that?
[07:35] <Topsun> CSS: check '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' for errors and warnings
[07:36] <fdoving> TheCreationist: not 100% sure, but your best shot is the gparted livecd in any case.
[07:36] <Topsun> TheCreationist: depends on the partition type
[07:37] <TheCreationist> ok
[07:37] <[Apollo] > <Level15> [Apollo] : dunno about wine, but i saw some promising OS project which aims at full binary compatibility with Windows <-- you still know what it's called?
[07:37] <TheCreationist> Well, it turns out I would need to backup some 15GB of data first... and I don't have a DVD burner.  So I'm just stuck with the partitions the way they are.
[07:38] <jhutchins_lt> TheCreationist: Doing that kind of work without backups is a bad idea anyway.  You could accidentally loose it.
[07:38] <Level15> [Apollo] : no, but maybe i can find it... let me check
[07:38] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Exactly why I'm not going to try it.  I didn't realize I had that much data to backup.
[07:38] <Sanne> [Apollo] : there's ReactOS, mean that one?
[07:38] <CS5> topsun, can I pastebin you this to look at, there is  a few things that look like they could be the issue.
[07:39] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Although, I should back that stuff up anyway... but have no idea how to do so without using a ton of CDs or buying a DVD burner.
[07:39] <Level15> [Apollo] : http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html
[07:39] <Topsun> CSS, ok
[07:39] <Level15> yes, that one
[07:39] <jhutchins_lt> TheCreationist: HD's are cheap enough now you might just want to get a spare next time they're on sale - do an image backup to it and you're all set.
[07:39] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
[07:40] <Yorokobi> [Apollo] , another alternative to Wine is Cedega but, IIRC, it is designed primarily for games
[07:40] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Of course, my last backup drive completely failed and I lost everything on it.... my BIOS doesn't even recognize it any more.
[07:40] <CS5> topsun, i have lots of wacom errors near the end and warnings about the fglrx
[07:40] <Yorokobi> CS5, you can safely ignore the wacom junk in the Xorg log
[07:41] <CS5> ok
[07:41] <Yorokobi> ... unless you have a wacom device :)