[01:33] <ompaul> knewt, I had issues with one I recently obtained, used it to install desktop then I did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop that worked for me
[01:33] <marjorie> I think as far as computer is concerned its working! eg If I print a picture, the cartridges take a long time to moove over paper
[01:33] <IIIEars> marjorie - HP 3520 is fine.
[01:33] <snowseal> ;)
[01:33] <snowseal> ty
[01:33] <HappyFool> knewt: tried may search.bittorrents.com, with the dvd filename ?
[01:33] <marjorie> IIEars: Try that ppd instead?
[01:34] <hondje> You know what'd be cool? A meta-package that removes any gnome pkgs that aren't part of the std install....
[01:34] <marjorie> I have a 3845 useing the 3840 ppd file
[01:34] <Arrogant> Hey, is there any way to get more consoles on Ctrl+Alt+F#?
[01:34] <IIIEars> no idea what to try yet. let me check the hp site. - brb
[01:34] <Arrogant> Right now only 2 and 3 have consoles on them.
[01:34] <hondje> Arrogant: Yes, using getty
[01:34] <ompaul> marjorie, have you got a short pdf file on that that machine?
[01:35] <HappyFool> only 2 and 3? that sounds wrong
[01:35] <marjorie> Yes shall i give it a go?
[01:35] <ompaul> marjorie, actually try this `sudo lpq`
[01:35] <haluk> i can't seem to get any keyboard layout other than the US/ASCII layout for gnome. anyone know how to cure that problem?
[01:35] <knewt> hondje: first thing i did after originally installing warty was remove virtually all of gnome :)
[01:35] <Arrogant> 1 is the install screen, 4 5 and 6 are blank
[01:35] <hondje> haluk: system->keyboard
[01:35] <Arrogant> 7 is gnome
[01:35] <ompaul> marjorie, any jobs?
[01:35] <hondje> oh, during install
[01:35] <Arrogant> 8 9 10 11 12 are nothing at all
[01:35] <ompaul> marjorie, and more important is the printer ready?
[01:36] <haluk> hondje: that's what i am saying, there are no layouts to add there.
[01:36] <hondje> knewt: I decided to give gnome a fair try again (hadn't really used it since like 1.4), and now I like it :)
[01:36] <marjorie> Ok Mooving downstairs to printer : IIIEars: I looked into installing the HP alt driver, but couldnt use it beacuse it relies on looging in as root to a cups admin page
[01:36] <hondje> If I could get that menu editor working for me, and get automagical mounting working again, I'd be so happy
[01:36] <HappyFool> knewt: how about these (dvd torrents): http://search.bittorrent.com/search.jsp?query=ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso&Submit2=Search
[01:36] <snowseal> problem: i got my base system installed on top of a existing ubuntu install, result: many errors. i need a fresh install but want to keep my /home dir. how to proceed? rm -rf ?
[01:37] <hondje> snowseal: During the install, you can select your /home and tell the partitioner to leave it alone IF it's on its own partition
[01:37] <HappyFool> knewt: though i guess you're going to want to check the md5sum to make sure it's the same image as from ubuntulinux.org
[01:37] <knewt> hondje: i don't use kde either *g*
[01:37] <snowseal> hondje,  linux is one big partition on my hd. problem :)
[01:37] <hondje> knewt: XFce?
[01:37] <HappyFool> Arrogant: does 'screen' work in terminals 2 / 3? easy way to get multiplexed terminals
[01:38] <knewt> hondje: ion
[01:38] <lok> arg
[01:38] <hondje> snowseal: If you have an extra partition lying around, you can move /home to it, or just back it up to a cd/dvd
[01:38] <hondje> knewt: hrm, never heard of it
[01:38] <IIIEars> http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ you probably already have this :/
[01:38] <snowseal> i already have 5 partition. i think thats about the max.
[01:38] <hondje> I think a much higher number is max, I have more than 5
[01:38] <snowseal> and the other partitions are ntfs, cant move the data to there :s
[01:39] <hondje> I'm paranoid and have /var and /tmp on their own partitions, /home, /home/work, etc
[01:39] <hondje> yeah, that'd be bad
[01:39] <HappyFool> i think 16 might be the number on ide
[01:39] <hondje> snowseal: can't backup to cd?
[01:39] <knewt> HappyFool: the torrent url reported by that search doesn't exist, and the site the url is from is in czech, so i can't exactly understand it :)
[01:39] <HappyFool> snowseal: there's a utility to read ext3 filesystems from ntfs
[01:39] <Arrogant> HappyFool: I don't know how to use screen
[01:39] <marjorie> IIIEars: I tried installing their driver, but couldnt get it to work beacuse u have to loginto cups admin page as root, which wont work in ubuntu!
[01:39] <snowseal> heh, cewl HappyFool
[01:39] <hondje> knewt: googleing has too many ions...got a link?
[01:39] <HappyFool> snowseal: so you can bootup windows, read /home (or a tarball of it) to ntfs
[01:40] <hondje> Oh, tarball would be good idea
[01:40] <snowseal> woot, thats the easyest solution i guess
[01:40] <hondje> HappyFool has thinking-cap fu
[01:40] <marjorie> ompaul: Yer printer ready with 0 jobs
[01:40] <knewt> hondje: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[01:40] <HappyFool> Arrogant: it's pretty easy. Control-a c  to create a new "terminal" Control-a n to go to the "next" terminal
[01:40] <haluk> i get no additional layouts when i try to add another language layout to my keyboard layouts.[gnome]  anyone know how to fix this?
[01:40] <snowseal> oh, but i got XFS as file system LOL
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> i think 4 bootable partitions are max
[01:40] <Imel> Hai
[01:40] <HappyFool> knewt: sorry, just a guess
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> but there aint any other limits
[01:40] <HappyFool> snowseal: doh
[01:41] <snowseal> :s
[01:41] <Imel> ng
[01:41] <teebones> HappyFool, you mean Explore2fs
[01:41] <teebones> ?
[01:41] <knewt> HappyFool: oh well, i'll just have to grab the cd temporarily then :/
[01:41] <snowseal> so i'll delete as much of the system as possible, and then reinstall.
[01:41] <Arrogant> HappyFool: That's pretty awesome
[01:41] <hondje> haluk: You can't add them in system -> preferences -> keyboard?
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> to read ext2 from ntfs aint very succesfull last time i used windows.. like 4 yrs back
[01:41] <HappyFool> teebones: yeah
[01:42] <HappyFool> Arrogant: screen is super-cool ;)
[01:42] <Arrogant> How would you close the screens?
[01:42] <haluk> hondje: they add button is greyed out.
[01:42] <HappyFool> just exit the shell
[01:42] <HappyFool> 'exit' or Control-d
[01:42] <lok> lsuactiafner: now it's work fine
[01:42] <hondje> haluk: Hrm, that's not cool
[01:42] <lok> to read
[01:42] <hondje> haluk: what kind of layout do you want to add?
[01:42] <lsuactiafner> heh even windows got bettter it seems
[01:42] <HappyFool> Arrogant: oh, and Control-a ? for help
[01:42] <haluk> tr
[01:42] <lok> no it's not windows
[01:42] <HappyFool> Arrogant: probably most important combination to remember ;)
[01:42] <Arrogant> Hehe, yeah.
[01:42] <raisen> ctrl-a + ctrl-d
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> Arrogant : screen -r , screen -d , screen -r -d
[01:43] <lok> it's the ext2fs team which got better
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> and ctrl c
[01:43] <scoon> anyone here using the backports of tomboy
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> my console is savvy
[01:43] <haluk> hondje : tr. i could just do it in xorg.conf, but i want to know why it is not there in gnome.
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> what you mean beech
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> (;
[01:43] <raisen> ubunutu is owning my mind
[01:43] <raisen> i cant compile my driver
[01:43] <teebones> raisen, oh ooh ;-)
[01:43] <raisen> ~_~
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> i run console along with the gui, most of the time i'm in the gui
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> err console
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> not gui
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> gui mouse controls sucks
[01:44] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: the fs isn't 'mounted' in windows, it's just accessible. limited but useful
[01:44] <teebones> snowseal, not to fast i hope
[01:44] <teebones> ;)
[01:44] <Arrogant> lsuactiafner: I'm on console irc right now :D
[01:44] <snowseal> but xpf is not supported on Explore2fs
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> heh version me
[01:44] <snowseal> *XFS
[01:44] <HappyFool> snowseal: yeah, sorry
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> am on a leet custum bx
[01:44] <Arrogant> HappyFool: screen is good to know because my computer is a piece of shit, and console is the only thing that runs smoothly
[01:44] <HappyFool> snowseal: i assume everyone uses ext3 ;)
[01:44] <snowseal> heh, soo bad, good thip tho
[01:44] <IIIEars> marjorie - couldn't find anything on the ubuntu wiki or ubuntuguide - :/
[01:45] <ompaul> raisen, no the situation is much better than that, you are now obtaining a free mindset that is not controlled by anything other than your imagination
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> i irc from a p166, runs irc, proxy, http, ftp, dns and firewall
[01:45] <lok> lsuactiafner: using term doesn't make you a real leet
[01:45] <HappyFool> Arrogant: screen is also very useful for ssh
[01:45] <hondje> haluk: all the keyboard layouts were in the default install for me, so I haven't a clue sir
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> lok : am in console thats 3l337 deminit
[01:45] <hondje> screen is so awesome
[01:45] <teebones> snowseal, uhm.. if you don't go mainstream.. you can end up with an incompatible fs used by tools
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> <-- leet hax0r
[01:45] <HappyFool> snowseal: you said you had other partitions ?
[01:46] <hondje> haluk: come to think of it, ubuntu even figured out I had a dual korean/english keyboard, so I got very lucky
[01:46] <marjorie>  =/
[01:46] <marjorie> Its the 'one' thing my gran cant do without
[01:46] <Arrogant> Also, another probably dumb question
[01:46] <teebones> .
[01:46] <Arrogant> How do I terminate stopped jobs?
[01:47] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, em, 31337 y4ck1n 41n'7 r34IIy g00d 31337 stuff :)
[01:47] <Arrogant> Or go back to them for that matter
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> killall -9 program
[01:47] <teebones> well if it is stopped.. ..it not running is it
[01:47] <teebones> :)
[01:47] <teebones> +is
[01:47] <Arrogant> teebones: It's in my jobs list
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : y0ur m0m b13h
[01:47] <IIIEars> marjorie - and it works otherwise.. - doh. - would of guessed a cartridge.
[01:47] <hondje> kill -9 is messy, one should try to kill it in a nicer way first :(
[01:47] <HappyFool> Arrogant: try fg
[01:47] <HappyFool> i think the syntax is 'fg %jobnumber'
[01:47] <hondje> xkill kicks ass, for gui apps that die and won't go away
[01:47] <teebones> or kill -15
[01:47] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, not really ubuntu now is it :)
[01:47] <hondje> It's fun to click and kill :)
[01:48] <marjorie> IIIEars, I normally end up thinking that after a few hours then plug it back into winblows and get upset
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> kill -9 `ps aux | grep program_name | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'` ;
[01:48] <IIIEars> lol
[01:48] <HappyFool> Arrogant: fg is to 'foreground' a process, not kill it
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : i run a slackware/ubuntu hybrid.. i'm not pure
[01:48] <hondje> lsuactiafner: use pgrep :)
[01:48] <klaym> anyone have smtm program working on Ubuntu? I can't see the graphical charts. if you've figured out how to get them back, please tell me!
[01:48] <scanwinder> does any1 have any idea how 2 go about getting a dial-up modem 2 work?........when i run kppp, set it up and try 2 dial it says it cant find the modem...........
[01:48] <hondje> kill -9 `pgrep process_name`
[01:48] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, slack was never pure :)
[01:49] <snowseal> teebones,  i thought the fs-type was transperant to the tools. but ty for the tip
[01:49] <HappyFool> scanwinder: what modem do you have?
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> hah cool
[01:49] <hondje> lsuactiafner: yes, saves typing :D pkill is great too
[01:49] <scanwinder> um its actually my grandads lol......some internal one
[01:49] <hondje> I use pkill -u not_quite_gone_user all the time
[01:49] <snowseal> HappyFool, i got a fat32 left, will write to there.
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> slackware is pure, consistant, predictable, stable, standards compatable, but not native 64bit
[01:49] <snowseal> then reformat in ext3 :s
[01:49] <teebones> snowseal, no it isn't.. every fs has its own characteristics.. and thus it must be supported by tools like explore2fs
[01:49] <teebones> if it isn't.. no luck
[01:50] <HappyFool> scanwinder: if it's a winmodem you'll probably need to install a driver for it
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> ext3 is ext2 with a journal
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> you can mount an ext3 as a ext2
[01:50] <marjorie> IIIEars: If i try the HP driver ill need some way of enableing root account, can it be done?
[01:50] <lok> lsuactiafner: ...
[01:50] <scanwinder> how do i find out if its a winmodem?
[01:50] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> scanwinder : winmodems are internal
[01:50] <scanwinder> and where would i go 2 find a driver?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> scanwinder : depends on modem, lucent rocks
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> anything else i dont know.
[01:50] <HappyFool> scanwinder: type 'lspci' in a terminal (Applications -> System tools -> Terminal) to try to find out what modem you have
[01:50] <hondje> scanwinder: lspci -vvv and look for chipset on it :)
[01:51] <snowseal> teebones,  only apps that read the partition on a low level will notice the fs-type..?
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> apps dont care
[01:51] <hondje> lucent is good, conextant has commercial drivers but top-notch support
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> the kernel does the fs type stuff
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> conextant=commercial drivers=unaffordable
[01:51] <ompaul> I saw something that really saddened me on Friday, plantronics offering a few free minutes of skype, and it saying that skype required that other thing that wants to be an operating system
[01:51] <scanwinder> is it easy or hard 2 install drivers in linux? (for me its always just automatically picked up everything)
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> if a driver costs $7+ i can buy a new modem for that price that works in linux
[01:52] <teebones> lsuactiafner, ehm.. true.. but.. we're talking on accessing the fs on windows...
[01:52] <HappyFool> scanwinder: it depends
[01:52] <hondje> big depends
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> i dont buy any conexant hardware, no linux support for free no my support
[01:52] <scanwinder> oh ok
[01:52] <HappyFool> scanwinder: if you have, e.g., an Intel536EP chipset, it will take a little work
[01:52] <snowseal> ack
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[01:52] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I have an external US Robotics modem, it's the greatest
[01:53] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, get an external modem they just rock
[01:53] <scanwinder> well ill go find out what it is and will run lspci see if its picked it up
[01:53] <scanwinder> bbl
[01:53] <fabio> hello all
[01:53] <IIIEars> marjorie gksudo will work
[01:53] <ompaul> teebones, well eth0 works hard for me
[01:53] <teebones> mine too
[01:53] <hondje> I have cable, thankfully not much work to set up
[01:53] <teebones> ;)
[01:54] <ompaul> eth1 is not busy atm
[01:54] <teebones> and eth1 and eth2
[01:54] <hondje> eth0 -> router -> dhcp -> trolling
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> yeh got an external 3com
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> i think
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> not sure
[01:54] <IIIEars> marjorie check out howtos for the sudoers file - very powerful
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> i didnt bother to look
[01:54] <fabio> Guys, why all the time I start Ubuntu the resolutions goes to highest one possible with lower refresh rate and I need to change it all the time?
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> no its us robotics heh
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[01:55] <hondje> the mini mac has a modem, if worse comes to worse I'll just connect in some wierd way to that
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> i still need to find out if marvell wireless is linux-friendly
[01:55] <chocoIate> hi, can anybody help me with this error
[01:55] <hondje> lsuactiafner: that's probably the same one I have, if it's fairly new...awesome modem
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> no this is serial v90 technology
[01:55] <fabio> chocoIate, type ur error then
[01:55] <chocoIate> i'm trying to install a driver for avm fritz and i get this error on ubuntu : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1203
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> fabio : in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:55] <hondje> oh :)
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> find a line called modes
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> you will see there are like 4 of em
[01:56] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh cool I will try and have a look then :) thx
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> change that line to goto resolutions you like
[01:56] <chocoIate> in particular these two last lines :
[01:56] <chocoIate> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[01:56] <chocoIate> make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake: *** [fcusb2.o]  Error 2
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> Modes           "1280x1024"
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> under Depth=24 i suppose
[01:56] <chocoIate> there is no directory build in there, i checked, so what should i be doing :o
[01:56] <teebones> chocoIate, install the kernel-header and source
[01:57] <chocoIate> oh, is that it :o
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> chocoIate : learn to compile your own kernel.. really, thats the best advice any newb can take
[01:57] <hondje> I never could get a good kernel going, one that worked 'just right'
[01:57] <hondje> After getting 2.6 working on RH9, I gave up on making my own kernel...I lack the linux-smartness :(
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> i compile my kernels within 3 minutes
[01:58] <fabio> lsuactiafner, it tells me comand not found, and if I open it with Gedit its a blank doc
[01:58] <lsuactiafner>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:58] <teebones> lsuactiafner, 3 minutes? what hardware?
[01:58] <teebones> ;)
[01:58] <chocoIate> thanks teebones
[01:58] <hondje> teebones: make old config :D
[01:58] <n00dle> is there any way to install ubuntu without gnome?
[01:58] <n00dle> so i can put fluxbox on or something
[01:58] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner - what is the advantage of compiling your own kernel if precompiled images are available? -just have the knowledge for when they aren't?
[01:58] <hondje> n00dle: I thnk the server install doesn't nstall gnome
[01:58] <fabio> lsuactiafner, thanks I can see it now :)
[01:58] <ompaul> n00dle, yes you can install just a server version
[01:59] <n00dle> hm
[01:59] <n00dle> ah yea
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> teebones : asus a8n deluxe, geforce 6600 256m, gig duel ddr, 3200+ 64amd
[01:59] <n00dle> okay ill try ubuntu again, since slackware is doing me in the ass.
[01:59] <hondje> IIIEars: theoretically, better performance or something
[01:59] <teebones> k.
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> IIIEars : the system is faster
[01:59] <hondje> I like having 100000 modules, in case I add something odd later on
[01:59] <ompaul> n00dle, what is the issue with gnome?
[01:59] <n00dle> there isnt one
[01:59] <n00dle> i just want fluxbox :P
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> like i compile my audio drivers into the kernel, faster better becuase i use audio 16hrs a day
[02:00] <teebones> n00dle, you ment sucksbox?
[02:00] <ompaul> n00dle, ahh well you  can install gnome and install fluxbox
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> if i need a module and i dont feel like a reboot i just compile it in quickly
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> easy
[02:00] <n00dle> any why does is sucks, teebones.
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> also, the default amd64 kernel didnt work on my system
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> it didnt see my sata disks..
[02:00] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner - found a nice tip really speeds things up set mine to 10 - google linux swappiness
[02:00] <teebones> n00dle, i'm just kidding
[02:00] <n00dle> :P
[02:00] <hondje> Well, that would be a good reason
[02:00] <hondje> I have mostly OEM hardware, default kernels run fine for me
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> so its better all round
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> i think i already set my vm
[02:01] <guptan> what is the version of pango in hoary?
[02:01] <fabio> lsuactiafner, hm hm what do I change then? Cos is set to Default 24...
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> i keep reading horny.. irc has screwed up my mind
[02:01] <IIIEars> Swappiness - "$ sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 " and do _not_ do the permanent "vm.swappiness=10 to /etc/sysctl.conf",
[02:02] <IIIEars> until you have experimented.
[02:02] <teebones> guptan, 1.8.1
[02:02] <hondje> I like swapping :(
[02:02] <hondje> If I only use something every couple days, I'd rather it be swapped when I'm not looking than when I'm doing something
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> i use sysctl -a | grep vm
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> vm.overcommit_memory = 1
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> i dont use swap @ all
[02:03] <IIIEars> uHuh - Nice tip. :)
[02:03] <guptan> oh thanks, I was confused when I saw /usr/lib/pango/1.4.0/
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> vm.swappiness = 80
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> bit high
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> but swap is 0
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> Swap:          972          2        970
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> well 2
[02:04] <hondje> Do install docs still say swap should be 1.5x the size of your ram?
[02:04] <teebones> dunno
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> well
[02:05] <teebones> i never read them...
[02:05] <teebones> ;)
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> if your ram is over 500 you dont need a huge swap
[02:05] <hondje> 'in general' :)
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> but thing is i open firefox with 300 tabs
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> so sometimes i need a swap
[02:05] <hondje> I do too, optimize pron viewing :)
[02:05] <teebones> LMAO
[02:05] <hondje> moz is better if you go with 2000 tabs open, in my experience
[02:05] <IIIEars> lol
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> heh no during the week i dont have time for slashdot livescience and physorg
[02:06] <thenuke> is it possible to have grub display the menu and then boot after a few seconds?
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> so i open tabs everyday and read on weekends
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> thenuke : lilo > grub
[02:06] <hondje> no way, lilo is awful :(
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> lilo rocks
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> ok
[02:06] <hondje> though lilo's conf file is easier to edit
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> dont question me..
[02:06] <teebones> lilo is the best
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> (;
[02:06] <teebones> :)
[02:07] <anto9us> thenuke: I think that's the default behaviour, yes
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> lilo conf is easy
[02:07] <hondje> update-grub > *
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> grub always gave me problems
[02:07] <thenuke> anto9us: it is not
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> and i dont boot often, i dont want a pretty boot screen
[02:07] <IIIEars> nice vm.overcommit_memory=1
[02:07] <thenuke> anto9us: as a default grub waits a few seconds if user wants to have the menu on the screen
[02:07] <hondje> yeah, reboots are not fun
[02:07] <lsuactiafner>  14:08:04 up 7 days, 13:51, 13 users,  load average: 1.17, 1.05, 1.05
[02:07] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[02:07] <hondje> I never add my scripts to init, have to run them all by hand
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> but got a new kernel waiting to be booted
[02:07] <teebones> for pretty boot screens..-> windows
[02:08] <anto9us> thenuke: ok, I must have misunderstood
[02:08] <hondje> speaking of windows, what's the hdparm equivalent in windows?
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> i dont run my bridge setup on boot
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> hondje : windows dont have one
[02:08] <teebones> hondje, ehm...............................................................................................................................................................
[02:08] <ompaul> hondje, fdisk and install ubuntu
[02:08] <kbrooks> teebones: you know, you can have splash screens in linux
[02:08] <hondje> Nothing to fiddle with hdd settings? That sucks a ton :(
[02:08] <hondje> ompaul: The boss wouldn't like it
[02:08] <teebones> kbrooks, sure
[02:08] <hondje> He's anti-samba for some reason....vendors ate his brain
[02:09] <teebones> hondje, go fire yourself right now!
[02:09] <teebones> :)
[02:09] <teebones> working with the enemy
[02:09] <teebones> pfff
[02:09] <teebones> :S
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> you can have splash screens but i prefer not to use em
[02:09] <runedude> when you are using apt-get,  is there anyway to install alot of packages, but NOT one certain package..
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> since i want to see my bootup warnings
[02:10] <kbrooks> lol.
[02:10] <hondje> teebones: come now, they let me use linux at work, that's nice of them
[02:10] <runedude> like an exception to tel APT not to install that package
[02:10] <hondje> Lots of workplaces would get uptight about it
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> runedude : apt-get build-dep xorg
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> oh
[02:10] <teebones> hondje, ok.. ok... your right
[02:10] <teebones> :)
[02:10] <hondje> :)
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:10] <runedude> lsuactiafner: erm..? lol
[02:10] <hondje> I managed to convince them I was more productive in linux
[02:10] <runedude> not xorg ;)
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> runedude : i also dont want one package.. the kernel..
[02:10] <teebones> hehe
[02:10] <teebones> well i use ONLY linux at my work
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> annoying to check for upgrades and to undo kernel everytime
[02:11] <teebones> because it's part of my job
[02:11] <hondje> I never mentioned that gnuplot works in windows
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> NEW_TO_UBUNTU rofl
[02:11] <teebones> infact...my boss hates MS...
[02:11] <hondje> boss fell for my tales :)
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> NEW_TO_UBUNTU : make your nick lower case
[02:11] <hondje> I like your boss, teebones
[02:12] <runedude> i just want ot install every package except
[02:12] <NEW_TO_UBUNTU> thanks
[02:12] <runedude> E: Package glibc-i18n is a virtual package with multiple good providers.
[02:12] <hondje> teebones: Mine had me try suse out on his laptop, guess he's wanting to be leet or something :)
[02:12] <teebones> lol
[02:12] <hondje> I was amazed by the goodness of suse on a thinkpad
[02:12] <teebones> suse and leet?
[02:12] <teebones> rofl
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> i want gcc4
[02:12] <IIIEars> Welcome new_to_ubuntu :)
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> );
[02:12] <hondje> eh, the whole concept of leet is silly :)
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> but i'm too scared to upgrade
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> wb new_to_ubuntu
[02:13] <lsuactiafner>  /nick new_nick
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> would also have worked
[02:13] <hondje> lsuactiafner: wait for breezy, IIRC it's going to use gcc4
[02:13] <teebones> lsuactiafner, whoosy
[02:13] <teebones> ;)
[02:13] <hondje> Which is why it's borked, having to recompile everything C++
[02:13] <hondje> Or so I read, probably more to it than that
[02:13] <IIIEars> new_to_ubuntu " /nick new_to_ubuntu " will change your name
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> gcc4 is like 30% faster i hear
[02:14] <fabio> guys, what do I need to change in X11/xorg.conf so I can use a lower resolution at default?
[02:14] <teebones> e.g. /nick master_of_ubuntu
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> so i want someone to compile xorg and firefox in it
[02:14] <teebones> ;-)
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> fabio : look for lines starting with Modes
[02:14] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I heard good stuff too, plus Tiger got compiled w/ gcc4, that says good things to me
[02:14] <raisen> how do u reenable ACPI?
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> and edit HorizSync  and Vert
[02:14] <fabio> lsuactiafner, and...?
[02:15] <teebones> lsuactiafner, i wouldn't do that...
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> i use Modes           "1280x1024"
[02:15] <teebones> change the modes...
[02:15] <teebones> nothing more to it
[02:15] <teebones> ;)
[02:15] <hondje> yeah, leave hsync/vert alone
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> but before you edit xorg.conf, cp xorg.conf xorg.conf_backup
[02:15] <IIIEars> new_to_ubuntu - do you have any questions?
[02:15] <hondje> hehe /nick new_to_ubuntu_but_questionless :-)
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> hsync/vert defaults didnt like my flatron
[02:16] <IIIEars> must be another happy "customer"
[02:16] <dutch> give him time...:)
[02:16] <teebones> fabio, in e.g.:
[02:16] <lsuactiafner> not only do i have more uptime than you, my load is bigger.. muhahaha
[02:16] <lsuactiafner> he
[02:16] <teebones> SubSection "Display"
[02:16] <teebones>                 Depth           1
[02:16] <teebones>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[02:16] <teebones>         EndSubSection
[02:16] <teebones> change it to:
[02:16] <teebones> SubSection "Display"
[02:16] <teebones>                 Depth           1
[02:16] <teebones>                 Modes           "800x600" "640x480"
[02:16] <teebones>         EndSubSection
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> no under depth 24
[02:17] <hondje> Why do you want 800x600?
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> if your DefaultDepth    24
[02:17] <IIIEars> << - 6th week with Ubuntu and linux. - it isn't always easy. - grin
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> 800*600 on crappy 15"
[02:17] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh yes 24 here
[02:17] <dooglus> teebones: that won't just change the default resolution, it will stop him using high resolution at all
[02:17] <hondje> If you just want bigger fonts and icons, there are easier ways
[02:17] <kbrooks> IIIEars: heh
[02:17] <fabio> teebones, oh great I understand, so I have to delete the one the comes first?
[02:17] <teebones> dooglus, right.. but he surely doesn't want the high one..
[02:17] <anto9us> lower resolutions are good for some fullscreen apps, e.g. movies
[02:17] <kbrooks> IIIEars: i've been on linux  for a year.
[02:17] <hondje> Though if you're like me, low refresh rate makes life suck :(
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> fabio : then in x press crl alt backspace, should restart x
[02:18] <teebones> fabio, right
[02:18] <hondje> I've been using only linux for 5 years, and still dont' know shit :-(
[02:18] <dutch> me too !
[02:18] <teebones> hallo dutch
[02:18] <teebones> ;)
[02:18] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh yes explain how to do that, cos I restart X but how do I start it again?
[02:18] <dutch> but, only 2 years now
[02:18] <hondje> well, some windows, about 20 minutes a month...can't avoid that. OS X too, some commericial unix...
[02:18] <dutch> hello teebones :)
[02:18] <teebones> alles goed daarzo?
[02:18] <kbrooks> hondje: well, shit like what?
[02:18] <hondje> dutch: Good, I'm not alone in my lameness :D
[02:19] <kbrooks> hondje: maybe i can explain.........
[02:19] <IIIEars> Just so tired and angry at windows. - swore non stop the first day. my wife thought i was possesed. - thats okay she likes a devil ;)
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> fabio : in ubuntu its almost impossible to kill x off unless you kill gdm also
[02:19] <dutch> too much time working and not enough time at the box :(
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> but just press control alt backspace in X
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> and you will kill X and gdm will restart it
[02:19] <hondje> kbrooks: Well, like how to make a deb pkg properly, how to get things like transcode to build, stuff like that
[02:19] <fabio> lsuactiafner, I do but then appear the black screen with the text only, how do I launch the graphics again?
[02:19] <kbrooks> hondje: er,  the first....mmmm, let me check
[02:19] <hondje> I man debhelper once, got lost in 10 seconds...what I've been doing is cheating and using checkinstall to make a lame .deb, and then working from that
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> hondje : apt-get build-dep transcode
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> fabio : startx
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> or wait
[02:20] <kbrooks> hondje: rofl.
[02:20] <kbrooks> checkinstall.
[02:20] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh as simple as that :) ?
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> sh /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:20] <hondje> lsuactiafner: no way...I thought it wasn't aptable at all, like rm from repos?
[02:21] <fabio> thanks I will
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> hondje : apt-get build-dep transcode, then compile it yourself if you need
[02:21] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: /etc/init.d/gdm is +x
[02:21] <teebones> lsuactiafner, if gdm is running, better not run startx.
[02:21] <hondje> kbrooks: Yeah, it's not good...I was trying to make one for fast user switch applet in gnome, now I can't use it myself :D
[02:21] <dutch> ctl/alt/F(n) ?
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> yeh i have chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[02:21] <kbrooks> hondje: i can help!
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> so i run xinit
[02:21] <hondje> kbrooks: Oh, that'd be awesome
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> and blackbox
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> and no gdm
[02:21] <hondje> I love that app, since multiple people use this computer at home
[02:22] <kbrooks> hmm.
[02:22] <kbrooks> where are the additional apt utilities located at
[02:22] <grandpap> thank you all for the welcome,s see you again soon, byeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:22] <ryanomalley> Hey I have a problem
[02:22] <lsuactiafner> locate | grep apt
[02:22] <ryanomalley> I just started up my computer
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : me2
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> same..
[02:23] <ryanomalley> and the res is 640x480
[02:23] <kbrooks> hondje: then again, maybe i have a idea......
[02:23] <ryanomalley> oh seriously?
[02:23] <hondje> kbrooks: If you just know a very clear how-to, that'd be great
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : control alt + or -
[02:23] <ryanomalley> i tried xrandr
[02:23] <ryanomalley> didnt work.
[02:23] <cavediver> Anyone have problem with the tv-out image. I get so that the desktop is larger then the resolution so if i maximise a movie, I only see halv of it :)
[02:23] <ryanomalley> xrandr x {res here}
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : i booted like 7 days ago tho
[02:24] <ryanomalley> Oh okay
[02:24] <ryanomalley> so I should try control alt +
[02:24] <ryanomalley> brb
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:24] <ryanomalley> didnt work
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> or..
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> orr..
[02:24] <ryanomalley> so what did you do about it lsuactianfner?
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconf
[02:24] <cadaver> i rebooted 21 days ago
[02:24] <makoto> hi there
[02:25] <hondje> kbrooks: oh, since you're both wise AND helpful, perhaps I could bother you to help me get automagical mounting working again?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> i edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf when in doubt, noobs run xorgconf
[02:25] <anto9us> ryanomalley: try the + and - on the numpad if you already didn't
[02:25] <cadaver> 14:16:52  up 21 days, 18:37,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
[02:25] <hondje> xorg.conf is intimidating to most newbies, I've noticed....
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> cadaver : my load is bigger than yours
[02:25] <Mirzabah> I'm having trouble with setting up an acx111 wireless card. I want to use ndiswrapper instead of the acx100 driver, and I've got it basically working, but Ubuntu keeps installing the acx_pci modul on boot up. I've removed it using modprobe and physically moved the files out of /libs/modules/.., but it keeps popping back up. Any ideas?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner>  14:26:19 up 7 days, 14:09, 13 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.03, 1.04
[02:25] <cadaver> lsuactiafner, :-)
[02:26] <makoto> coulkd someone help me acces my hard drives.  I have been tryng for 6 hours now.... im about to install windows xp back on, its that bad
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:26] <hondje> makoto: Access what harddrive? More detail sir :)
[02:26] <makoto> ok
[02:26] <cadaver> mako, ?
[02:26] <ryanomalley> so what should I edit in xorg?
[02:26] <makoto> one sec
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> makoto : mount -t ntfs /dev/something either sda1-10 or hda1-10 /mnt/
[02:26] <hondje> lsuactiafner: You should macro that :D
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : yeh edit a line called Modes under Depth 24
[02:27] <makoto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39445
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:27] <cadaver> lsuactiafner, ehm.. or vfat
[02:27] <cadaver> ;)
[02:27] <makoto> I explained my situation here
[02:27] <thenuke> how can I have bootsplash?
[02:27] <ryanomalley> Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[02:27] <makoto> might be easier than typing it all again
[02:27] <ryanomalley> thats it.
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:27] <cadaver> makoto, reading
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> now control alt - and +
[02:27] <makoto> thanks mate
[02:28] <ryanomalley> lsuactianfner: what should I edit?
[02:28] <ryanomalley> Modes  "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[02:28] <ryanomalley> I have that.
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> editing HorizSync or Vert can also help
[02:28] <hondje> lsuactiafner: Do you have to use the + / - keys on your numpad for that to work?
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> then restart X
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : it looks good
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> hondje : yeh
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> i think...
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> lets see
[02:29] <anto9us> yes, numpad only
[02:29] <ryanomalley> ok
[02:29] <hondje> okay, no one told me that so for like 2 years I was going nuts trying to get it working using regular +/-
[02:29] <hondje> :)
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> shit i dont have any other lines to check
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:29] <ryanomalley> lsuactianfner, what should I do now?
[02:29] <Guest40> hi all
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> press constrol alt backspace to make your X reload
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> it will kill X btw
[02:29] <Mirzabah> anyone able to help me prevent linux from auto-configuring a network interface on boot?
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> and rerun
[02:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: hi there, are you around?
[02:30] <raptoid> hi everybodyz
[02:30] <raptoid> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages
[02:30] <raptoid>   401 Authorization Required
[02:30] <raptoid> ?
[02:30] <raptoid> 2 week
[02:30] <toxicfume> My laptop doesn't seem to run WIFI and ACPI on ubuntu properly, can someone please help me get them working?
[02:31] <guptan> how can I compile firefox with PANGO support
[02:31] <IIIEars> "" raptiod
[02:31] <cadaver> makoto, in your fstab you state that hda1 is your ntfs partition.. but that's not true.. because it's your ext3 /
[02:31] <raptoid> IIIEars, yeah ?
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> am tired
[02:31] <gayubuntuloser> toxic try out a different distro\
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> enough
[02:31] <makoto> oh ok
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> i need to study
[02:31] <makoto> sorry about that
[02:31] <raptoid> IIIEars, ?
[02:31] <toxicfume> gayubuntuloser: already did
[02:31] <makoto> i also state im a noob..
[02:31] <makoto> sorry mate
[02:31] <cadaver> makoto, do sudo fdisk -l
[02:31] <cadaver> what's the output?
[02:32] <IIIEars> yes - i get that error also.
[02:32] <toxicfume> can someone please help me get intel pro wireless 2200 working in ubuntu? thanks
[02:32] <gayubuntuloser> did you search google?
[02:32] <Mirzabah> worked out of the box for me...
[02:32] <jahn> i've just installed ubuntu and my audio card is detected but doesnt output any sounds, its an SB Audigy 2 ZS, anyone can help?
[02:32] <makoto> ok before I do that I want to make sure that I don't erase the data on my slave drive
[02:32] <toxicfume> gayubuntuloser: yes, even ubuntu wiki and ubuntuforums
[02:32] <kbrooks> makoto: hdb
[02:33] <kbrooks> thats slave
[02:33] <ryanomalley> ok
[02:33] <makoto> ok
[02:33] <cadaver> makato: no.. you won't.. it only lists the drives/partitions present
[02:33] <gayubuntuloser> try xandros oce
[02:33] <IIIEars> jahn - odd but sound is muted for alsa on install - need to check the mixer/slider
[02:33] <Jormundgand> toxicfume: What specific wifi hardware won't work?
[02:33] <cadaver> kbrooks, doesn't have to be
[02:33] <johnnybezak> how do I undo zip's?
[02:33] <ryanomalley> ok, here I have a question
[02:33] <anto9us> gayubuntuloser: stop trolling
[02:33] <ryanomalley> I just booted up my comp
[02:33] <toxicfume> Jormundgand: Intel Pro Wireless 2200
[02:33] <n00dle> okay, i've installed ubuntu, it didnt detect my network right
[02:33] <ryanomalley> and the res is stuck incredibely low.
[02:33] <gayubuntuloser> im just giving good advice
[02:33] <johnnybezak> what do you expect from gayubuntuloser
[02:34] <n00dle> i've logged in as a normal user, if i click on network settings it just waits then dissapears.
[02:34] <makoto> ok i will try sudo fdisk -1
[02:34] <ryanomalley> And when I try to change the res, theres no more options under the screen resolution
[02:34] <guptan> friends, how do I compile firefox making PANGO as the rendering engine?
[02:34] <cadaver> no..
[02:34] <hondje> gayubuntuloser: Come on man....it used to be that us trolls took pride in our work
[02:34] <Jormundgand> gayubuntuloser: commercial Linux distros are rarely, if ever, a good choice.
[02:34] <cadaver> not -1 but with -l
[02:34] <ryanomalley> and I checked xorg.conf the line under modes, it lookd fine
[02:34] <cadaver> -l = list
[02:34] <ryanomalley> so what should I do?
[02:34] <hondje> We were subtle, controvesial, and unblameable
[02:34] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[02:34] <gayubuntuloser> oce = open circulation edition....whichmeans its free duh
[02:34] <IIIEars> marjorie - early evenings here.
[02:34] <gayubuntuloser> and everything works outta the box
[02:34] <johnnybezak> just ignore him
[02:35] <gayubuntuloser> and i mean everything
[02:35] <makoto> invalid option is what I get
[02:35] <IIIEars> the developers are here.
[02:35] <toxicfume> Jormundgand: do you know how toget it working? i tried doign a lot of mess with the new drivers and even did something like unloading old drivers etc etc..i don't know how messed up ubuntu is right now
[02:35] <cadaver> makoto, see private message
[02:35] <cadaver> ;)
[02:35] <Mirzabah> Does anyone here know how to prevent ubuntu fro auto-configuring a network interface?
[02:35] <Jormundgand> toxicfume: I switched to a box which does all the work for me and consigned my previous box to obsolescence. :p
[02:35] <raptoid> whats ubuntu backports eror ?
[02:35] <ryanomalley> what do I do about this?
[02:36] <raptoid> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  401 Authorization Required
[02:36] <raptoid> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  401 Authorization Required
[02:36] <raptoid> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz  401 Authorization Required
[02:36] <johnnybezak> woah channel spam:P
[02:36] <Jormundgand> raptoid: Use a mirror.
[02:36] <jahn> IIIEars, ive checked and its unmuted and the sound volume all way up but no sound
[02:36] <Mirzabah> ummm you should be using a mirror for backports.
[02:36] <raptoid> Jormundgand, ?
[02:36] <raptoid> correct ?
[02:36] <Jormundgand> raptoid: Main archive access is denied. Use a mirror.
[02:37] <IIIEars> jahn - do you hear the boot up welcome sound events?
[02:37] <raptoid> why
[02:37] <Mirzabah> re backports: check the backports pages. They tell you what to do.
[02:37] <Mirzabah> Does anyone here know how to prevent ubuntu fro auto-configuring a network interface?
[02:37] <n00dle> how do i setup networking in ubuntu
[02:37] <jahn> IIIEars, no
[02:37] <raptoid> correct mirros paste please..
[02:37] <raptoid> mirror
[02:37] <raptoid> zkiyim ben bu ingilizceyi
[02:37] <ryanomalley> I just booted up ubuntu to have the res 640x480, and its impossible to change in screen resolution settings
[02:37] <ryanomalley> what should I do?
[02:38] <IIIEars> Was the ubuntu wiki any help?
[02:38] <spanglesontoast> yo
[02:38] <nxv_> when i have installed sun-j2sdk1.5 is there somewhere the java api doc
[02:38] <Demian__> ryanomalley, go to #xorg
[02:38] <jahn> IIIEars, ive tested all the output modules but none emited sound
[02:38] <Mirzabah> Does anyone here know how to prevent ubuntu fro auto-configuring a network interface?
[02:38] <ryanomalley> ok
[02:39] <IIIEars> google "LUG" linux user groups
[02:39] <ryanomalley> haha oops didnt mean to close that
[02:39] <hondje> Mirzabah: change permissions on /etc/init.d/networking?
[02:39] <ryanomalley> so what should I do?
[02:39] <zAo^> can anyone help me with building a package? I want to build Klibido
[02:39] <IIIEars> jahn - i may be too new to help (6th week - sorry.)
[02:39] <jpfarias> hi people
[02:39] <jahn> IIIEars, ok thanks anyway :)
[02:39] <ryanomalley> I've checked the line under modes, and it looked fine
[02:40] <ryanomalley> wait I have an idea
[02:40] <ryanomalley> brb
[02:41] <Jormundgand> ryanomalley: Did you change the res settings in--
[02:41] <IIIEars> faxes ryanomalley an aspirin - please don't do that.
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me setup a ident server up?
[02:41] <IIIEars> not to mention they really like sounding technical
[02:41] <jpfarias> why is mozilla firefox still on 1.0.2?
[02:42] <kbrooks> jpfarias: warty==frozen
[02:42] <IIIEars> when in doubt add an acronym
[02:42] <Jormundgand> jpfarias: After release no new features are introduced.
[02:42] <kbrooks> hoary==frozen
[02:42] <kbrooks> Jormundgand: that's what frozen means
[02:42] <Jormundgand> kbrooks: I know that.
[02:42] <jpfarias> Jormundgand: but there was many security fixes on 1.0.4
[02:42] <anto9us> jpfarias: it's had the security updates
[02:43] <Jormundgand> jpfarias: Which were backported.
[02:43] <jpfarias> Jormundgand: any reason to not  update?
[02:43] <martymart> hello all
[02:43] <ryanomalley> aghhh what do I do?
[02:43] <anto9us> hi martymart
[02:43] <kbrooks> jpfarias: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:43] <jpfarias> kbrooks: I am updating right now
[02:44] <jpfarias> kbrooks: the latest version I see is 1.0.2
[02:44] <kbrooks> jpfarias: the security fixes update firefox
[02:44] <Jormundgand> ryanomalley: sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg
[02:44] <martymart> I can not seem to play any media files (avi and mp3s) directly off my windows NTFS server. Is there any way to do this?
[02:45] <Jormundgand> dpkg-reconfigure*
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me setup a ident server up?
[02:45] <kbrooks> martymart: samba
[02:45] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: yes. google!
[02:45] <anto9us> martymart: I think that's a samba problem, you could try making a permanent samba mount
[02:46] <hondje> kbrooks: apt-cache search identd
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> .........................
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> how about making icons appear in the computer bit of gnome
[02:46] <martymart> How do i config samba? I mean where?
[02:46] <IIIEars> martymart - dual boot or over the lan? what server software samba, apache?
[02:46] <hondje> er, not kbrooks, spanglesontoast: apt-cache search identd
[02:46] <johnnybezak> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:47] <martymart> defult install of Ubuntu, so I do not know which but I presume samba
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> yea but it keeps saying that port 113 is used
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ ident2
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Permission denied
[02:48] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: setuid
[02:48] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: whereis ident2
[02:48] <hondje> kbrooks: why would you use setuid instead of sudo?
[02:48] <anto9us> martymart: you don't need to edit samba config you just need to mount windows share...
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:49] <martymart> How do I do that anto9us?
[02:49] <kbrooks> hondje: setuid is safer than sudoing  forever
[02:49] <anto9us> martymart: mkdir /mnt/<choose a name>
[02:49] <hondje> kbrooks: Hrm, I was always told to avoid using setuid :-)
[02:49] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: sudo chmod u+s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:49] <Arrogant> I stopped when I figured out that with max speed it'd take 20 hours
[02:49] <martymart> Is that all anto9us?
[02:49] <Arrogant> And there was no way I was getting max speed :)
[02:49] <Arrogant> Stupid dialup :(
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> what does u+s do?
[02:50] <hondje> Then again, I complain about /dev/shm not being mounted noexec
[02:50] <kbrooks> hondje: can be dangerous, but it's useful
[02:50] <LinuxJones> Arrogant, what are you trying to download ?
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> done that now what?
[02:50] <Arrogant> LinuxJones: apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[02:50] <LinuxJones> Arrogant, yikes !!
[02:50] <Arrogant> Yeah.
[02:50] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: run it. ident2
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> says the same
[02:51] <Arrogant> I stopped it. There was no way that I was going to let that go on
[02:51] <LinuxJones> Arrogant, your running warty ?
[02:51] <johnnybezak> hey guys how do you copy/paste from an xterm
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Address already in use
[02:51] <Arrogant> LinuxJones: Not at the moment, but on my other PC yes
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> oops
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[02:51] <hondje> johnnybezak: I use the middle button on the mouse
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> is that because I'm using xchat?
[02:51] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: undo chmod and sudo ident2
[02:52] <anto9us> martymart: mount -t smbfs -o username=[YOUR USER NAME] , //<path> /mnt/<chosen name>
[02:52] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no. xchat doesnt have a builtin identd server
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> how do I undo chmods?
[02:52] <johnnybezak> hondje: ok
[02:52] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: s/+/-/
[02:52] <johnnybezak> 22:52 < kbrooks> spanglesontoast: s/+/-/
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> sudo chmod s/+/-/ /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> didn't work
[02:53] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no
[02:53] <johnnybezak> sorry guys
[02:53] <Murlocdundee> hello
[02:53] <marjorie> I have installed the hplip print system but the update rc.d bit at the end failed, How can i update it manually?
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> ?
[02:53] <Murlocdundee> I have a question
[02:53] <kbrooks> replace X with Y
[02:53] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: s/X/Y/
[02:53] <Jormundgand> Murlocdundee: Hope you get an answer. :(
[02:53] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: that's whatt i mean
[02:54] <martymart> I can not su into super user at the console! Any ideas?
[02:54] <Murlocdundee> Is the Ubuntu website still build using plone ?
[02:54] <Jormundgand> martymart: sudo
[02:54] <kbrooks> martymart: sudo -s
[02:54] <anto9us> martymart: no need, prefix su commands with sudo
[02:54] <hondje> martymart: use sudo -s for a root term, sudo for su -c
[02:54] <spanglesontoast> still not working
[02:54] <martymart> Thank you all
[02:54] <kbrooks> alias su="sudo -s"
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo chmod s/X/Y/ /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:55] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: LITERALLY!
[02:55] <IIIEars> (fearfuk newb crosses fingers and hopes someone will help marjorie.)
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> chmod: invalid mode string: `s/X/Y/'
[02:55] <Murlocdundee> Jormundgand: do you know if the ubuntu' website still makes use of plone ?
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> ?
[02:55] <Jormundgand> Murlocdundee: No idea.
[02:55] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast:  u+s -> u-s
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> lost mate
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> ah
[02:56] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: it looks zope/plone based to me
[02:56] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: after you do that, sudo ident2
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> sudo chmod u+s u-s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> that ok?
[02:56] <kbrooks> no
[02:56] <kbrooks> only 1
[02:57] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: hum. yeah
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> -?
[02:57] <kbrooks> delete u+s
[02:57] <hondje> spanglesontoast: sudo chmod u-s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:57] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: especially http://www.ubuntulinux.org/test
[02:57] <kbrooks> yes
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> done that
[02:57] <martymart> I have managed to log in as root and make a new mount directry, now how do I mount my windows shares?
[02:57] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: sudo ident2 after that......
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> still says error: binding to port 113: bind(): Address already in use
[02:58] <LinuxJones> martymart, have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:58] <martymart> No
[02:58] <hondje> martymart: mount -t [vfat|ntfs]  /dev/hd? /path/to/mnt/pnt is the quick way
[02:58] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: CHANGE, then run.
[02:58] <anto9us> martymart: mount -t smbfs -o username=[YOUR USER NAME] , //<path> /mnt/<chosen name>
[02:58] <Ed_Gein> What are the steps invovled in adding a new dvd-rw to an existing ubuntu installation?
[02:58] <LinuxJones> martymart, lots of great stuff there
[02:58] <martymart> I like you guys better
[02:58] <djp> can anybody tell me how to access/edit gnome-audio-profile-properties under hoary?
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> I did change it
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> but it still stays the same
[02:58] <hondje> Ed_Gein: I can answer that, as I recently did it
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo chmod u-s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo ident2
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Address already in use
[02:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: ls -l /usr/bin/ident2
[02:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: works..........
[02:59] <hondje> Ed_Gein: Turn box off, add hardware, boot up into bios to make sure it's detected and all that, boot into ubuntu. Most of the work is done magically, I think by gvm
[02:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: use the server.
[02:59] <Ed_Gein> hondje: really?
[03:00] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: i know they were using it in the past, but they have made a slight change so I wonder
[03:00] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: dc and rc
[03:00] <martymart> Bye bye all, thanks for the help.
[03:00] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: what is '/test'?
[03:00] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: I can tell it's zope based
[03:00] <hondje> Ed_Gein: Yeah, my lite-on went quite well....just add the stuff to /etc/fstab and make sure dma is set on in /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:00] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: in your url
[03:00] <spanglesontoast> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 16008 2004-10-27 13:15 /usr/sbin/ident2
[03:00] <spanglesontoast> dc and rc???
[03:00] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: it's a remnant of the website development by the looks of it
[03:00] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: it already works
[03:01] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: disconnect and recpnnect
[03:01] <Ed_Gein> hondje :that is awesome. My liteon recently crapped out so I'm replacing it with a dvd-rw
[03:01] <kbrooks> reconnect
[03:01] <spanglesontoast> what from xchat?
[03:01] <hondje> Ed_Gein: yeah, it really went very easily...ubuntu even made the symlink to /dev/dvd
[03:01] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: [{'username': '134', 'displayname': 'daishi', 'roles': ('Member',), 'emailaddresses'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, 'password': 'pw', 'salt': 'kdQTBbY9ad5a8uGuivpaMEHFq6Q=\n', 'id'
[03:01] <kbrooks>  /reconnect
[03:01] <ryanomalley> hey I have a big problem
[03:01] <Murlocdundee> i get this with your url
[03:01] <djp> can anybody tell me how to access/edit gnome-audio-profile-properties under hoary?
[03:02] <ryanomalley> I booted my comp up today to have the res 640x480
[03:02] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: ?!?
[03:02] <ryanomalley> and in screen resolution
[03:02] <kbrooks> ryanomalley: fire away
[03:02] <ryanomalley> its unchangeble
[03:02] <ryanomalley> I've also tried xrandr -s
[03:02] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: yeah, I'm going to see if I can find someone to tell about it
[03:02] <ryanomalley> but under xrandr, the only option is 640x480
[03:02] <Ed_Gein> djp : Did you try alsamixer? is that what you're looking for?
[03:02] <kbrooks> ryanomalley: check X config.
[03:02] <hondje> Ed_Gein: though, for some odd reason, my mobo kept bitching until I put hdc and hdd (hdd == dvd reader) both on cable select, that might have something to do with the automagic
[03:02] <fabio> guys, which GCC do u prefer, 3.3, 3.4 or 4?
[03:02] <thekoreuk> ryanomalley, find out the horizontal sync rate for your monitor and the vertical refresh range of your monitor, then edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to reflect these
[03:03] <hondje> I prefer octave!
[03:03] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: ah nice, anyway it looks great
[03:03] <ryanomalley> thekoreuk: where would I find that?
[03:03] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: on the home page
[03:03] <n00dle> how can i get back to a network setup wizard in ubunut
[03:03] <n00dle> ubuntu
[03:03] <thekoreuk> ryanomalley, google for the specification on your monitor
[03:03] <hondje> n00dle: in the installer? Just hit escape, should bring you to a menu IIRC
[03:03] <n00dle> no
[03:03] <Ed_Gein> hondje: I'm not sure why but for some reason I've had 2 cdrw die in 5-6 years
[03:03] <n00dle> after its installed
[03:03] <ryanomalley> ok, brb
[03:03] <djp> Ed_Gein: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats attempting to configure mp3 encoding. take a look at 6.2.1
[03:03] <kbrooks> brb
[03:04] <thekoreuk> ryanomalley, for example mine was a LG L1715S, so i went to LG site and looked up my monitor to get the details
[03:04] <hondje> Ed_Gein: I'm lucky, I have one plexar next to my feet that has been running for 5+ years
[03:04] <IIIEars> Ed_Gein - check out hardware reviews for ISO cloning/Protected CD ability here... http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/search/B
[03:04] <LinuxJones> n00dle, sudo network-admin  will allow you to setup your networking
[03:04] <hondje> if it wasn't for like, 3 things, I'd be off giving ubuntu Cds to everyone I know :)
[03:04] <n00dle> ok thanks
[03:05] <n00dle> far out nothing works today
[03:05] <n00dle> network-admin gtk-warning cannot open display
[03:05] <djp> Ed_Gein: oops... maybe i should take a closer look! i think it appears to explain what to do in <IP_ADDRESS>!!! sorry...
[03:05] <LinuxJones> n00dle, you need to login to the account that was used to install Ubuntu
[03:05] <n00dle> nah
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> djp: lol
[03:05] <n00dle> i just ran it from the ubuntu menu
[03:06] <n00dle> but its just sitting there with the busy cursor.
[03:07] <kbrooks> i want gnome.
[03:07] <kbrooks> that's it..
[03:07] <hondje> kbrooks: mind if I /msg you?
[03:07] <liable> well, install it?
[03:07] <kbrooks> hondje: about?
[03:07] <Ed_Gein> kbrooks: I would prefer Anjolina. but gnome works well on the desktop
[03:08] <n00dle> okay
[03:08] <n00dle> this is starting to shit me.
[03:08] <n00dle> now i just logged out and in again hoping to test again
[03:08] <hondje> kbrooks: nothing, k<tab> in wrong chan :)
[03:08] <n00dle> and i get 'error cannot open HAL' upon login
[03:08] <kbrooks> hondje: ah, ok
[03:09] <CoRzA> Why wont it let me install Breezy on my computer.. it installs and then its says that there are missing packages
[03:10] <CoRzA> i install the missing packages and it still wont work
[03:10] <hondje> kbrooks: While I got your ear, and you seem to be very hip to how all this voodoo works, I was wondering if I could talk you into giving thoughtage to my no-more-automount problem
[03:10] <Ed_Gein> I used to be a Gentoo fanboy but Ubuntoo has kicked that penguin to the curb
[03:10] <kbrooks> sure
[03:11] <kbrooks> CoRzA: RTFT.
[03:11] <hondje> kbrooks: Well, it was all working perfectly fine, and I can't recall any installs/upgrades that involved dbus/hal/gnome-volume-manager, other than installing fast user switch from source
[03:11] <CoRzA> RTFT??
[03:11] <liable> CoRzA: dude, why are you installing breezy?
[03:11] <n00dle> readthefriggintopic.
[03:11] <kbrooks> read the fine topic
[03:12] <CoRzA> because hoary doesnt support my video card
[03:12] <liable> fucking even
[03:12] <kbrooks> CoRzA: no.
[03:12] <kbrooks> X.
[03:12] <CoRzA> oh ok i see the top
[03:12] <edd_> back
[03:12] <edd_> no idea if it works
[03:12] <edd_> weird
[03:12] <edd_> my name is edd_
[03:12] <bob2> liable: language please
[03:12] <hondje> but a few days ago, probably wednesday, it stopped noticing when I inserted a dvd or cd.  I tried starting gnome-volume-manager by hand earlier tonight, and did some stuff like /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart, even rebooted, but still doesnt' work
[03:12] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA :what video card
[03:12] <edd_> kbrooks?
[03:12] <chocoIate> hi
[03:12] <liable> bob2: cant swear here even?
[03:13] <CoRzA> 6200 256meg
[03:13] <chocoIate> yo liable
[03:13] <kbrooks> edd_: ?
[03:13] <CoRzA> Nvidia
[03:13] <bob2> liable: indeed
[03:13] <edd_> I'm spanglesontoast
[03:13] <liable> chocoIate: get it working?
[03:13] <chocoIate> liable : i finally got to compile the correct driver i found thats supplied by fritz themselves ; however now when i dial i get this error :
[03:13] <chocoIate> http://pastebot.nd.edu/1205
[03:13] <liable> bob2: harsh
[03:13] <kbrooks> edd_: /nick
[03:13] <Ed_Gein> Hoarry doesn't support your 6200? It supports my 6800gt oc perfectly
[03:14] <CoRzA> hmm well when i install it
[03:14] <edd_> spanglesontoast is in use
[03:14] <CoRzA> it wont startx
[03:14] <kbrooks> hondje: no idea, sorry.....
[03:14] <hondje> release doesn't matter for supporting that card
[03:14] <CoRzA> yeah i know
[03:14] <hondje> kbrooks: oh well, worth a shot :) Thanks for listening!
[03:14] <kbrooks> edd_: ghost it out
[03:14] <bob2> CoRzA: please don't use breezy
[03:14] <CoRzA> my card is fully supported with Xfree
[03:14] <hondje> CoRzA: Try using the nvidia driver from nvidia's site?
[03:14] <chocoIate> i do not have isdnutil also, its one of the needed modules thats supposed to be loaded
[03:14] <megabit> Hi. I have got card reader 4in1 do you know which plugin I must install.?
[03:14] <CoRzA> how do i do that??
[03:14] <CoRzA> i have no X
[03:14] <bob2> megabit: usb?
[03:14] <hondje> CoRzA: sudo apt-get install lynx
[03:14] <bob2> CoRzA: breezy on X is broken
[03:15] <bob2> CoRzA: please don't use breezy
[03:15] <megabit> bob2, No in notebook.
[03:15] <hondje> ooh, no X :D
[03:15] <kbrooks> bob2: serious?
[03:15] <CoRzA> bob2: i'm past that already
[03:15] <bob2> kbrooks: yes
[03:15] <bob2> CoRzA: apparently not if it isn't starting
[03:15] <edd_> how?
[03:15] <bob2> CoRzA: you do not need the proprietary drivers to get X to run
[03:15] <CoRzA> lynx u say
[03:15] <kbrooks> CoRzA: nv
[03:15] <kbrooks> use nv
[03:15] <CoRzA> how?
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA:poxt your xconfig somewhere
[03:16] <chocoIate> i see a capiutil package in package maanger already isntalled by default ; however even trying modprobe capiutil generates an error coz the module is not there :S
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> that's better
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> how do I know if my ident2 server is running
[03:16] <CoRzA> :S
[03:16] <chocoIate> seems like its something installed with capi4linux :o
[03:16] <chocoIate> do i really need that and where do i find it :o
[03:16] <IIIEars> NP - sudo, sudo su or gksudo even create a root acct    passwd root
[03:16] <kbrooks> brb.
[03:17] <marjorie> How can i log onto a local web page as root in ubuntu? (http://localhost:631)
[03:17] <bob2> chocoIate: best to try asking on the user list, there's more likely to be a isdn user
[03:17] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA :What driver is X-config using?
[03:17] <bob2> marjorie: you can use the gui tool from the gnome system -> adminustration -> printing dialog instead
[03:17] <CoRzA> i dont know how to check
[03:18] <jansen> when i using the ubuntu,my laptop always heatest than windows xp
[03:18] <IIIEars> bob2 - Yay! Good Morning! :)
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA :open the config file in your favourite editor and read
[03:18] <bob2> aloha
[03:18] <chocoIate> ok
[03:18] <bob2> jansen: what does "lsmod | grep fan" print?
[03:18] <CoRzA> where is the config file
[03:19] <kbrooks> CoRzA: /etc/X11
[03:19] <CoRzA> and the config file is which?
[03:19] <thekoreuk> the one with .conf
[03:19] <thekoreuk> :P
[03:19] <marjorie> bob2: I need to do it this way beacuse gnome cups is not working for my printer, im useing hplip
[03:19] <kbrooks> brb
[03:19] <CoRzA> and how do i tell which one that is without a gui
[03:20] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:20] <cadaver> .
[03:20] <spanglesontoast> how do I get ident2 working
[03:20] <jansen> bob2 wmt
[03:20] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:20] <kbrooks> gdgdgd
[03:20] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast:
[03:20] <CoRzA> and what will it say in that config file and what do i need to input?
[03:20] <thekoreuk> CoRzA, are you aware what you are doing in the CLI, because if not then perhaps you should just go back to Hoary
[03:20] <hondje> Ed_Gein: oooh, nano == pico clone, thanks for making me thing to apt-cache search it :D
[03:21] <CoRzA> i am going back to hoary
[03:21] <mac_hack> hi all
[03:21] <cadaver> hi
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> hondje : I love nano
[03:21] <kbrooks> CoRzA: do it! now!
[03:21] <hondje> I'm addicted to vim, but I used pico at first, still do on my webserver :D
[03:21] <CoRzA> and what will it say in that config file and what do i need to input?
[03:21] <jansen> bob2 jansen@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep fan
[03:21] <jansen> fan                     4612  0
[03:21] <bob2> CoRzA: breezy is really not ready for non-experts yet
[03:21] <bob2> CoRzA: you'll have a lot less trouble if you reinstall with hoary
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : You need to go back to hoary. But first figure out what driver you're using
[03:22] <virtuald> can i plug in sata disks when the computer is running?
[03:22] <chocoIate> seems like i need this package, do any of you know where i can find it for ubuntu if its already packaged. The package i'm looking for is capi4k-utils
[03:22] <thekoreuk> which you obviously are not... no offence
[03:22] <bob2> virtuald: I think it depends on the hardware
[03:22] <CoRzA> BOB2 I AM USING HOARY
[03:22] <CoRzA> I"M NOT USING BREEZY
[03:22] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[03:22] <CoRzA> hoary just has a problem with my video card
[03:22] <virtuald> bob2: so if my hardware sucks, can it break? :)
[03:22] <bob2> virtuald: yes
[03:22] <virtuald> ok
[03:22] <virtuald> B]
[03:22] <bob2> BleSS: please stop it
[03:22] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA: Did you try the code I posted?
[03:23] <virtuald> (it does suck)
[03:23] <BleSS> bob2, ok sorry
[03:23] <IIIEars> hm - i hate that i don't more. something added to the etc/sudoers file or using setuid should help. alas it will only lead to more questions i can't answer.
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> kbrooks how do I make xchat work with it?
[03:23] <CoRzA> umm i will try that
[03:23] <jansen> bob2 how?
[03:23] <hondje> CoRzA: Define problem....anything useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, error messages, etc?
[03:23] <bob2> jansen: how what?
[03:24] <IIIEars> bob2 - any hints with marjorie's question about cups asking for a root password?
[03:24] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA: after that scroll down to the section "Device" what driver is being used?
[03:24] <hondje> marjorie: make a root password if it wants one :)
[03:24] <hondje> marjorie: sudo su passwd should do it
[03:24] <marjorie> it dont! :)
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> sudo passwd is fine
[03:24] <hondje> oh hey
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> su is not required
[03:25] <hondje> yeah, that would be silly
[03:25] <marjorie> ok mabe im being an idiot, this is what im doing
[03:25] <CoRzA> brb
[03:25] <marjorie> root terminal...
[03:25] <marjorie> firefox
[03:25] <marjorie> http://localhost:631
[03:25] <marjorie> still asks for pw
[03:25] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA: you don't need to leace irc to check this
[03:25] <Ed_Gein> leave*
[03:25] <ompaul> marjorie, if you can't get cups to fix the problem using either of the tools, the one I pointed you at ant the one bob2 pointed you at I suggest the following, remove the printer that exists, restart your gnome session set up printer test it with OO if neither of these work and you really really really (no joke here) want to try to use the root password then do this - launch a terminal, in it type `sudo root passwd` that will allow you
[03:25] <ompaul>  to set a root password, to remove it after, use nano in this command line 'sudo nano /etc/shadow' be very very careful with this after the word root you will see a full colon : and a long string of characters which finishes with a : , if you replace the characters with a single * you will have removed roots password as you most likely will not need it again.
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: that's a bad idea.
[03:26] <mlambie> I've followed http://ubuntuguide.org/ and installed Mono and Tomboy, but Tomboy doesn't start. Any tips?
[03:26] <jansen> bob2 like this fan                     4612  0
[03:26] <bob2> jansen: yes, I know
[03:26] <bob2> jansen: try asking on the user list
[03:26] <warty> hey the koreuk
[03:26] <warty> its "ryanomalley"
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: if you want to disable root use sudo usermod -l root
[03:26] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: what is bad idea, making root passwd, or messing with shadow by hand?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: messing with shadow
[03:26] <warty> It didnt work
[03:26] <marjorie> Thank you, Guys i know this contravenes X Y and Z but i really think its the only way round this one
[03:26] <warty> It was the wrong frequency
[03:27] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, there is that .. didn't know it
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: now you do :)
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> lol
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> are there any irc programs that come with an ident server built in
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:27] <ompaul> marjorie, as HrdwrBoB said for removing the password
[03:27] <dutch> how do I open port 23..need access to telnet
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: are you talking about outbound or inbound
[03:27] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no, that would be silly
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> if you mean outbound... it's open
[03:28] <dutch> inbound...
[03:28] <bob2> spanglesontoast: if you want an identd server, install one
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> if you mean inbound, you don't, use ssh
[03:28] <Ed_Gein> dutch: you shouldn't have to
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ssh
[03:28] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: Yeah, I learned once that you don't change gecos info by hand :)
[03:28] <bob2> dutch: wy do you think you want to use telnet?
[03:28] <bob2> spanglesontoast: oidentd is a nice one
[03:28] <dutch> for ham radio dx clusters...
[03:28] <marjorie> ompaul:HrdwrBoB Thats after i fix problem tho right?
[03:28] <kbrooks> ssh > telnet
[03:28] <mlambie> anyone got tomboy running on hoary?
[03:28] <Methynutnut> bob2: actually, it's a standard feature for mIRC, being windows and all.
[03:28] <dutch> anytime I try telnet, it just sits there..finally comes back and says unable to connect to
[03:28] <ompaul> marjorie, yes
[03:29] <bob2> Methynutnut: yes, I know
[03:29] <bob2> Methynutnut: but windows programs do lots of silly things
[03:29] <kbrooks> brb
[03:29] <marjorie> Ok, im scared now but i will try :)
[03:29] <Methynutnut> bob2: agreed ;)
[03:29] <warty> thekoreuk?
[03:29] <kbrooks> h.
[03:29] <kbrooks> uh*
[03:29] <hondje> dutch: how are you using telnet? I'm using it right now
[03:29] <kbrooks> i want xfce
[03:29] <ompaul> hondje, mind you vi and a macro can be a bad idea in the wrong hands :)
[03:29] <hondje> xfce is nice :)
[03:30] <kbrooks> uh,  nm
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> why is there no howto for ident servers?
[03:30] <hondje> ompaul: Yes, thanks for reminding me :D
[03:30] <hondje> spanglesontoast: because it's easy to apt-get install one
[03:30] <bob2> spanglesontoast: because all you have to do is install it
[03:30] <jansen> bob2 can u give me ur source.list?
[03:30] <bob2> spanglesontoast: also, there's usually no point to having one
[03:30] <bob2> jansen: no
[03:31] <bob2> jansen: it's the default hoary one with some private repositories added
[03:31] <dutch> ok, installed ssh, how do I use it to connect to a telnet ip??
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> spanglesontoast: IRC servers that require ident are retarded, and you should tell them so
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> I wonder what happened to Corza
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: um.. you don't
[03:31] <hondje> dutch: you can't, sir
[03:31] <bob2> spanglesontoast: sudo aptitude -y install oidentd
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: so you meant outbound then?
[03:31] <bob2> spanglesontoast: then it installs and runs and you're all done.
[03:31] <warty> if I backed up my xorg.conf file, how do I reload it
[03:31] <hondje> dutch: telnet domain.name.tld port should do it for you
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> no worries about?
[03:31] <warty> I changed the vertrefresh and horizontalsync, but they were wrong
[03:31] <warty> so my computer doesnt let my boot up
[03:31] <warty> so I put in a livecd
[03:31] <dutch> HrdwrBob: now you've got me confused...
[03:31] <warty> and here I am
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> how do I run it?
[03:32] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you don't, it runs automatically
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: outbound = connecting to other things
[03:32] <dutch> in earlier version of linux I could use telnet...now, I can't
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: inbound = connecting to your PC
[03:32] <marjorie>  bah, It let me set the password but cups still aint having it
[03:32] <bob2> warty: so, changs them back
[03:32] <warty> but I backed up xorg.conf so how do I put it back to how it was?
[03:32] <hondje> dutch: open a terminal, type telnet talker.rekka.net 4242
[03:32] <hondje> tell me if that connects
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> do I have to restart xchat for it to work?
[03:32] <kbrooks> warty: cp
[03:32] <dutch> hondje: ok, it connected
[03:32] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no!
[03:33] <scorpix> is there's any info about the next colony release?(Colony 2)
[03:33] <hondje> dutch: okay, so telnet works fine
[03:33] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no
[03:33] <hondje> dutch: That means whatever you're connecting to is the problem
[03:33] <Ed_Gein> works here
[03:33] <bob2> spanglesontoast: xchat and an identd server are entirely unrelated
[03:33] <bob2> spanglesontoast: except by the fact some irc servers try to ident you on connect
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> so what do I use?
[03:33] <dutch> ok, let me try to connect to the regular telnet ip that I normally use...brb
[03:33] <marjorie> "Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing)."
[03:33] <marjorie> no!
[03:33] <marjorie> :)
[03:34] <bob2> spanglesontoast: I don't think you've explained what the problem is
[03:34] <kbrooks> use it
[03:34] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you wanted an identd server.  if you ran the command I gave you, you have one installed and running.
[03:34] <marjorie> I cant, Have reinstalled printer / system a gazillion times, I NEED to use hplip
[03:34] <bob2> marjorie: you're sure gnome cups thing can't use the hplip drivers?
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> well I need to get on irc.shameless.net
[03:35] <kbrooks> what package is the gnome cups manager in?
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> and It uses ident
[03:35] <dutch> hondje: tried <IP_ADDRESS>...just says trying
[03:35] <hondje> dutch: Perhaps it wants a different port?
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> kbrooks: dpkg -S will tell you
[03:36] <dutch> port 23, from what I remember from the last time I used it
[03:36] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so, you're all set
[03:36] <floater_> Hi. Does anyone know how I get my sound card drivers installed? I have to do modprobeing I heard but I don't really know how it works or where the driver is that I need. I have some old awe64 sound card
[03:36] <bob2> spanglesontoast: unless you have a silly firewall
[03:36] <bob2> floater_: is it ISA?
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> yea I think I messed my firewalls up
[03:36] <megabit> Can you give me some advise? I have got cardreader 4in1 in notebook. And I cant read none information from the cards.
[03:36] <hondje> dutch: I'd still look to the destination as the problem
[03:36] <bob2> megabit: does linux support it at all?
[03:36] <ablyss> g'morning
[03:37] <floater_> heh bob, I don't exactly know. I could go check and open the pc on the other room
[03:37] <bob2> megabit: try looking it up on www.linux-laptop.net
[03:37] <floater_> bob2: shuold I go check
[03:37] <bob2> floater_: yes
[03:38] <floater_> okiz
[03:38] <kbrooks> andnow
[03:38] <megabit> bob2, My notebook is not in list.
[03:39] <hondje> When you want to burn something, your burning app first takes everything and makes it into an .iso, and then burns that, right?
[03:39] <megabit> bob2,
[03:39] <jansen> bob2 my video card is the ATI can i use the Video Card control panel ?
[03:39] <dutch> hondje: won't connect...nmap doesn't show port 23 being open
[03:39] <megabit> bob2, my notebook - umax 4000CX
[03:39] <hondje> dutch: call the admin and yell at them :)
[03:39] <bob2> megabit: does google know about it in relation to linux?
[03:40] <bob2> hondje: most do, unfortunately, so you need 650MB of free disk space
[03:40] <bob2> hondje: there's no real need for that to happen, but most are slack and do that
[03:40] <bob2> jansen: "video card control panel"?
[03:40] <hondje> bob2: okay....what's the .iso equivalent for DVDs?
[03:40] <bob2> hondje: .iso
[03:40] <hondje> I want to do the hardpart here, and then just copy it to the laptop w/ burner
[03:40] <hondje> bob2: oh, that makes things easy :D
[03:41] <bob2> hondje: or they can be a UDF filesystem instead, depends what you're trying to do
[03:41] <bob2> I think video dvds are UDF
[03:41] <CyberSDF> Hello !
[03:41] <ablyss> does anyone know if Quota supports reiserFS ?
[03:41] <kbrooks> er
[03:41] <hondje> I want to put this video into a file that can be burned w/ a minimum of effort by my friend using windows
[03:41] <kbrooks> ablyss: ummm, dont think sp
[03:41] <CyberSDF> Anyone know where can i configure the mouse scroll (line number) ?
[03:41] <kbrooks> so*
[03:41] <bob2> ablyss: you mean if resierfs supports quota, then yes
[03:41] <kbrooks> ablyss: TIAS
[03:42] <bob2> CyberSDF: it depends on each app/toolkit
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> CyberSDF :xorg.conf
[03:42] <CyberSDF> bob2: no default somewhere ?
[03:42] <ablyss> that's interesting.. okay thanks
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> unless I don't understand your question
[03:42] <bob2> CyberSDF: there is, but it's set per app or toolkit
[03:43] <floater_> bob2 on windows profile of the card(awe64,16-bit) it says location: intel(somenumbers)pci to isa bridge(isa mode)
[03:44] <floater_> donno then where the location is :X checked from win xp
[03:44] <CyberSDF> Bon il parrait que c'est dfinissable par chaque app
[03:44] <floater_> is that isa then
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> lokkit isn't part of the normal setup of ubuntu?
[03:44] <bob2> what is "lokkit"?
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> a firewall
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> that's what it says
[03:45] <hondje> spanglesontoast: look into firestarter, pretty nice and simple
[03:45] <Ed_Gein> spanglesontoast :firestarter
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> I hate firestarter
[03:45] <bob2> no, ubuntu doesn't setup any firewalling rules by default
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> it's ugly and confuses me
[03:45] <bob2> there's no reason to
[03:45] <hondje> What don't you like about it?
[03:45] <kbrooks> ok
[03:45] <hondje> Oh, if you have qt libs installed, try guarddog, it's kinda fun
[03:46] <kbrooks> xfce
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> I don't understand it
[03:46] <kbrooks> right. installed
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> guarddog requires a webserver?
[03:46] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no
[03:46] <hondje> Not last I used it
[03:46] <floater_> bob2 do you have any ideas how to  mopdprobe that card ?  and do you know if that pci to isa bridge(isa mode) mean isa or pci? :X
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of seeing what firewalls are running?
[03:47] <Ed_Gein> floater_: modprobe "module name"
[03:47] <bob2> floater_: I'd assume isa, it would really be easier if you could just find out for sure
[03:47] <bob2> e.g. open it up
[03:47] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no
[03:47] <mof> spanglesontoast, sudo iptables -L
[03:47] <bob2> spanglesontoast: "sudo iptables -L -v -n" will show firewall rules, though
[03:48] <bob2> jansen: you're not using Debian, so you should not bother people in #debian
[03:48] <floater_> how do I know the module name that I have to do teh
[03:48] <bob2> jansen: if you want help with ubuntu, ask in here
[03:48] <Ed_Gein> floater_: google your card
[03:48] <hondje> #debian has mr dpkg though :-(
[03:48] <Ed_Gein> floater_: yOu might want to tyr google linux
[03:48] <bob2> hondje: which you can talk to via /msg
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> that's more confusing
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> shorewall was better
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:49] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: debian has it
[03:49] <hondje> bob2: Yeah, but can you /msg people in other chans?
[03:49] <bob2> hondje: of course
[03:49] <kbrooks> so does ubuntu
[03:49] <Mirzabah> hondje: sorry, got disconnected earlier. change perms on /etc/init.d/networking? can you explain in a bit more detail please?
[03:49] <kbrooks> hondje: yes and no
[03:49] <hondje> oh, cool....learn something every day, thanks bob2 :)
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> if I install shorewall
[03:49] <bob2> hondje: dpkg will ignore you unless you're in a channel with it, though, so you'll have to join #debian-bots
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> will it take control of the iptables?
[03:49] <hondje> bob2: oh, okay...thanks :)
[03:49] <jansen> bob2 thx a lot,and anyone can't me help
[03:49] <Methynutnut> spanglesontoast: did for me
[03:49] <marjorie> Im pretty sure gnome -cups is now useing hpijs, Its still printing blank pages tho
[03:50] <kbrooks> jansen: ask.
[03:50] <jansen> bob2 how to know what package i'm installed?
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:50] <hondje> Mirzabah: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/networking, and that should stop the automagic network configuration at boot, but it's an ugly quick fix
[03:50] <bob2> jansen: I don't understand your question
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> I have guarddog insalled
[03:50] <kbrooks> jansen: what is your native lang
[03:50] <Zukero> is there any other way than BT to get the Hoay DVD ?
[03:50] <bob2> hondje: 'sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/networking' is preferable
[03:50] <bob2> )but both work)
[03:50] <Zukero> *hoary
[03:50] <kbrooks> Zukero: mirrors
[03:51] <Mirzabah> hondje: thanks :) what's rc2.d?
[03:51] <hondje> bob2: oh, yes! You are wise, sir
[03:51] <jansen> kbrooks when i'm using the ubuntu always heatest than windows xp
[03:51] <jansen> kbrooks russian
[03:51] <hondje> Mirzabah: It's the dir that contains the start up scripts of all services that bootup whne you go into runlevel 2 (normal bootup)
[03:51] <bob2> hondje: (just because then update-rc.d can put it back, even if you forgot what you did)
[03:51] <hondje> well, not scripts, just symlinks, but eh
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> so why won't shameless.net not work?
[03:52] <dReadMoRe> how can i share my internet connection from ubuntu to windows? i have an usb modem configured with eciadsl
[03:52] <kbrooks> jansen: #ubuntu-ru
[03:52] <kbrooks> i think exists.
[03:52] <hondje> bob2: awesome....for a good year now when I don't have some gui thing I just rm the script, and reinstall the deb if I need it again
[03:52] <hondje> or chmod it, usually smarter
[03:53] <Zukero> kbrooks : On mirrors, ubuntu DVD is only BT....
[03:53] <kbrooks> Zukero: dunno.
[03:53] <Mirzabah> hondje: I got no networking in /etc/rc2.d, so I gues I'm good :)
[03:53] <Zukero> k...
[03:53] <hondje> Mirzabah: hrm, neither do I, that's odd
[03:54] <jansen> kbrooks sure,but there people few
[03:54] <jansen> kbrooks i'm feeling my laptop too heat
[03:55] <bob2> dReadMoRe: yeah
[03:55] <bob2> dReadMoRe: install the ipmasq package
[03:55] <candyban> Hi guys ... anyone familiar with setting up authentication via LDAP ? I managed to set it up yesterday, but my root fs crashed ... I reinstalled, did the same thing as yesterday (I think), but I get an error now: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
[03:55] <hondje> is there a way to get ls to show absolute path?
[03:55] <dReadMoRe> bob2,  and then? any configuration? or is only install that package?
[03:55] <spanglesontoast> shorewall keeps closing it's self
[03:56] <bob2> dReadMoRe: it'll ask you some questions
[03:56] <Jormundgand> This is infuriating. Firefox trunk build 2005-03-11 fixes the mousewheel bugs in 1.0.4 but nobody has bothered to issue any kind of fix.
[03:56] <kbrooks> Jormundgand: don't be MAD
[03:56] <bob2> Jormundgand: "nobody"?
[03:57] <Jormundgand> bob2: nobody. The bug reports are barren.
[03:57] <nova_> well off to reinstall ubuntu heh
[03:57] <kbrooks> Jormundgand: search hoary firefox
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> how come when using an emulated version of mirc I can get into irc.shameless.net
[03:57] <bob2> Jormundgand: in the mozilla bts?
[03:57] <Jormundgand> Just "works in this version, doesn't work in this version".
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> and in xchat it doesn't exist
[03:57] <dReadMoRe> bob2, is necessary to change anything in windows? or the configuration that i have to share connection from win to win, is ok?
[03:58] <bob2> dReadMoRe: get the windows machine to use the linux one as it's gateway
[03:58] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: cuz MIRC HAS A BUILTIN IDENTD SERVER DAMMIT
[03:58] <CoRzA> so when will breezy be safe to download?
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> so why doesn't mine work?
[03:58] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: can't you read?
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> yea
[03:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: xchat  doesnt have a builtin server on *nix
[03:59] <ompaul> CoRzA, about 4/5 months
[03:59] <bob2> kbrooks: come on dude
[03:59] <bob2> no need to attack people
[03:59] <ralf> kbrooks: kvirc has it
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> is there any irc programs that do?
[03:59] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[03:59] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[03:59] <bob2> spanglesontoast: dude
[03:59] <CoRzA> ... thats when its released
[03:59] <bob2> spanglesontoast: why do you think that would help?
[03:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: kvirc
[03:59] <scorpix> is cinit or initng will be in breezy?
[03:59] <candyban> spanglesontoast: just setup an identd
[03:59] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : did you check the config file?
[03:59] <CoRzA> not yet
[04:00] <CoRzA> i'm going to download a fresh hoary
[04:00] <ralf> scorpix: what's better between cinit and initng?
[04:00] <CoRzA> the hoary i have is a preview
[04:00] <hondje> Mirzabah: still around?
[04:00] <Ed_Gein> a preview?
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> well I thought I had a identd server
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> so I can access it
[04:00] <CoRzA> yeah like a build before the release
[04:00] <scorpix> ralf: http://linux.schottelius.org/cinit/ and http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[04:00] <CoRzA> but it used to work on my onboard
[04:00] <snowseal> how to spy on a loggeed in user, im root ?
[04:00] <Mirzabah> hondje: yep
[04:00] <candyban> spanglesontoast: check netstat -ntpl | grep 113
[04:00] <hondje> Oddly, /etc/rc0.d/S35networking...doesn't that mean start networking?  I thought rc0.d was shutdown?
[04:00] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : once you update everything it shouldn't matter
[04:01] <ralf> scorpix: did you get initng working on ubuntu?
[04:01] <ompaul> CoRzA, well you can use it today, however if you choose before the date that it is 'safe' i.e. released stuff will break and you will not be happy so my definition of safe is when it is released not a release candidate
[04:01] <hondje> Mirzabah: found the thing you want to delete in other places
[04:01] <CoRzA> ompaul: thats why i'm downloading it
[04:01] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> tcp6       0      0 :::113                  :::*                    LISTEN
[04:01] <CoRzA> 59% downloaded
[04:01] <Mirzabah> ok. I'm running a test atm, let you know how I go
[04:01] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you did basic network troubleshooting to make sure the problem isn't with firewalls?
[04:01] <scorpix> ralf: i didn't try, but someone post in a mailing list that he did it.
[04:01] <candyban> spanglesontoast: then you have an identd running
[04:01] <ompaul> CoRzA, you may have different values for safe
[04:01] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: irc.ipv6.freenode.net
[04:01] <CoRzA> ompaul: what are u talking about
[04:02] <hondje> Mirzabah: look in /etc/rc0.d for the networking one, or just do the permissions thing if it's not to be permanent
[04:02] <CoRzA> i'm downloading the Hoary Release
[04:02] <voth> is there a par/par2 application i can use under ubuntu?
[04:02] <snowseal> how would i log a users shell commands ?
[04:02] <candyban> Anyone familiar with setting up an LDAP user authentication system?
[04:02] <ompaul> CoRzA, you asked when would it be safe, I tell you, your version of what you are willing to live with may be different
[04:02] <bob2> snowseal: you wouldn't
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> * Looking up irc.ipv6.freenode.net
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> * Connecting to sterling.freenode.net (2001:898:2000:3::1) port 6667...
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> * Connection failed. Error: Network is unreachable
[04:02] <bob2> snowseal: if you don't trust them, don't give them an account
[04:02] <CoRzA> ompaul: ohhhh ok yep
[04:02] <snowseal> hmm. but it is possible
[04:02] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you don't have ipv6 connectivity, that is to be expected
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> oh yea
[04:03] <novaflare> you know the only thing i see wrong with the ubuntu install?
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> I hate ipv6
[04:03] <bob2> spanglesontoast: did you actually check if your firewall is screwed or not?
[04:03] <bob2> that should be your first step
[04:03] <candyban> spanglesontoast: why?
[04:03] <hondje> novaflare: what's that, man?
[04:03] <bob2> if it is, even running mirc won't help
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> well I'm not sure if i still have any installed
[04:03] <novaflare> it would be nice if it hasd any and all prompts for input like username host name etc in one place or right after each other
[04:04] <novaflare> then it would be a set and forget install
[04:04] <bob2> why?
[04:04] <ompaul> CoRzA, and the word values was used in the way that one might say 1+1=3 but only for very large values of 1
[04:04] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so
[04:04] <CoRzA> yer
[04:04] <bob2> spanglesontoast: go install it again and think things through before guessing
[04:04] <novaflare> type in or select computer specific settings hit enter and go
[04:04] <CoRzA> anyway the best way to share a partition.. use fat32?
[04:05] <novaflare> heh spanglesontoast you hose your ubuntu install?
[04:05] <ompaul> CoRzA, within Linux ext3 reiser or with windows fat32
[04:05] <spanglesontoast> not reinstalling
[04:06] <lok> CoRzA: you can read ext3 from win and read ntfs from nux you don't need a fat32 partition
[04:06] <novaflare> blast i knew i forgot something
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> going to give kirc a try
[04:06] <floater_> bob2: http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/Soundblaster-AWE-HOWTO.txt
[04:06] <novaflare> i ment to copy the part of my xorg conf for my mouse
[04:07] <bob2> spanglesontoast: how will that help?
[04:07] <floater_> do I have to follow those instructiosn really hmmm.... I don't have internet connection so I can't download the linux-kernel-<version> which is required probably
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> see if it's xchat being a pain
[04:07] <hondje> novaflare: did you do a reinstall of ubuntu?
[04:07] <novaflare> this is my 3rd one hondje heh
[04:07] <bob2> spanglesontoast: xchat has nothing to do with identd at all
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> hmmph
[04:08] <bob2> spanglesontoast: think this through, and eliminate the most likely possiblilities first
[04:08] <hondje> novaflare: hehe, at least this distro isntalls, eh?
[04:08] <novaflare> working on get absolute best performance out of my card
[04:08] <bob2> spanglesontoast: most likely, your firewall is screwed
[04:08] <novaflare> yeh and nicly
[04:08] <hondje> card? what card, novaflare ?
[04:08] <novaflare> 9k radeon pro 128 meg agp
[04:08] <bob2> floater_: you don't need to compile anything
[04:08] <bob2> floater_: start from section 3.4
[04:08] <novaflare> this time i made a shell script to essenitialy do it all  at once
[04:08] <hondje> oh, gfx card
[04:09] <novaflare> yeh
[04:09] <novaflare> brb
[04:09] <hondje> novaflare: might be good off asking in ATu forum
[04:09] <chillywilly> anyone use azureus? is it free/open source software?
[04:09] <hondje> they have some guys there that know all about ati :)
[04:09] <bob2> chillywilly: yes, it's on sourceforge, they have the license displayed pretty prominently
[04:09] <floater_> so basically I jusdt do modprobe -a sound
[04:10] <Ray|v|an-1010> how can i remove safely a usb drive
[04:10] <bob2> chillywilly: of course, it's sillily written in java, so it requires non-free software to actually use
[04:10] <hondje> why odn't people like the bittorrent thing that comes in the std install?
[04:11] <bob2> they're not used to its..sparseness
[04:11] <hondje> oh
[04:11] <bob2> or they don't leave everything in screen ;)
[04:11] <random__> i just installed ubuntu and it isn't recognizing my soundcard so i have no sound. i dont have onboard its a creative soundblaster live 24bit
[04:11] <hondje> I haven't really used bittorrent for anything but one liveCD
[04:11] <Mirzabah> hondje: weirdness. I didn't exactly chmod init.d/networking, but it gave me something to try. When I reboot it takes an awfully long time to confgiure the network, but eventually gets through it and  then immediately bitches about not being able to resolve a time server name, but by the time my desktop comes up the network is running fine.
[04:12] <Mirzabah> Weird thing is, modprobe is telling me that acx_pci is installed, but the file just isn't there.
[04:12] <hondje> Mirzabah: hrm, perhaps DNS is taking awhile?
[04:12] <hondje> Mirzabah: Sadly, I'm a regular scientist-in-training, and not a computer scientist-in-training :(
[04:13] <Ed_Gein> Azureus used to be a great bt client now its screwed
[04:13] <Mirzabah> hoondje: ok. you've been a great help anyway. thanks :)
[04:13] <hondje> All I know about it is that a whole lot of people complain about mem leaking with azureus in a forum I frequent
[04:13] <Mirzabah> bfn
[04:14] <hondje> Mirzabah: I aim to please :) Holler back if you need something odd like openGL in matlab :)
[04:14] <Ed_Gein> I get constant NAT errors with the latest Azureus
[04:14] <Mirzabah> hahahaha will do ;)
[04:14] <raaf258> Is there a way to watch keyboard events? Cause when i play the game Tactical Ops and press 'ctrl' (my duck key) and 'a' (my walk left key). It fires a left mouse button event. I dunno if it is Ubuntu specific problem or Tactical ops.
[04:14] <Seveas> raaf258, try xev
[04:14] <raaf258> ty
[04:15] <hondje> raaf258: dmesg will show stuff if it's odd, xev will track everything
[04:15] <smoky_> hi there, i am using ubuntu hoary for about 2 weeks now, and the only thing that makes me crazy is this unstable gnome desktop and nautilus
[04:15] <raaf258> ty Seveas and hondje
[04:15] <smoky_> everytime i want to transfer big files, it freezes
[04:15] <islander> hi everybody
[04:15] <smoky_> am i the only one with such problems?
[04:15] <hondje> random__: dcc stuff doesn't seem to work for me :)
[04:16] <islander> I need some support installing a decodeer in ubuntu
[04:16] <chillywilly> bob2: they should rewrite it in python ;)
[04:16] <smoky_> nautilus is si UNSTABLE
[04:16] <hondje> smoky_: transfer over smb, nfs?
[04:16] <random__> bah
[04:16] <hondje> feel free to /msg me
[04:16] <smoky_> no, fat partitons or ftp
[04:16] <hondje> oh, hrm
[04:16] <smoky_> such things
[04:16] <hondje> it's incredibly slow over ssh
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> would you believe it
[04:16] <bob2> islander: best to just ask your question
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> it works on kvirc
[04:16] <smoky_> ssh never worked for me
[04:17] <smoky_> with gnome, i had to use scp
[04:17] <hondje> I can't get it working with smb, though rox, xffm, konq, and finder in OS X all can see the samba box
[04:17] <islander> where can I download a decoder for totem and how can I installed
[04:17] <smoky_> but has anyone problems with it too?
[04:18] <bob2> islander: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:18] <hondje> smoky_: nautilus is great, IMHO, for being lazy and dealing with files, but over a network it sucks for anything other than NFS, in my experience
[04:19] <smoky_> yes, but it crashes so often for me, thats not nice...
[04:19] <smoky_> ubuntu is such a beaty distro with such an UNSTABLE fiole manager
[04:19] <hondje> oh, I don't get crashes, that's odd
[04:19] <smoky_> i could go crazy!!!
[04:19] <bob2> smoky_: have you filed bugs about it?
[04:19] <smoky_> no, not yet
[04:20] <bob2> please do
[04:20] <smoky_> want to know first if i am the only one with that kind of problems
[04:20] <smoky_> but its not only one pc
[04:20] <smoky_> its a desktop and a notebook that gives such problems
[04:21] <smoky_> maybe i could minimize the problems if i tune my hd-settings? hdparm.conf?
[04:21] <hondje> hdparm.conf rules :)
[04:21] <novaflare> on secound part of ubuntu install heh
[04:21] <smoky_> what is important? 32 bit mode, what else?
[04:22] <spanglesontoast> nova did you get that thing working in the end?
[04:22] <novaflare> no
[04:22] <novaflare> i totaly hosed it
[04:22] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:23] <islander> does the server version of ubuntu comes with a gui
[04:23] <toxicfume> Why is it that when i download and install new packages, like Opera for instance, the installed programs aren't displayed in the Gnome panel at all?
[04:23] <novaflare> i highly doubt this will be my last hoseing and reinstalling of ubuntu
[04:23] <spanglesontoast> brb
[04:23] <bob2> islander: there is no server version
[04:23] <toxicfume> How am i supposed to know where to start them from? (i know i can type the ame of the app in terminal, but i may not always remember the names)
[04:23] <bob2> islander: but the server install does not install X or anything
[04:23] <novaflare> ill likly be doing this a few dozen more times
[04:23] <bob2> toxicfume: you'd have to talk to the opera people about that
[04:23] <bob2> novaflare: how do you keep breaking it?
[04:24] <islander> thank you Bob
[04:24] <novaflare> by winter ill prob be on a install thats last for a long time
[04:24] <novaflare> learnign bob2
[04:24] <toxicfume> bob2: it's not only opera, even other apps. Is this app specific issue? or is this normal with Gnome?
[04:24] <bob2> earning what?
[04:24] <islander> I am a newbie in Linux world and
[04:24] <bob2> toxicfume: it's an app issue
[04:24] <novaflare> i entered in to this knowing id break it often
[04:24] <novaflare> learnign i mean
[04:24] <novaflare> i hate ms natural keyboards
[04:24] <toxicfume> bob2: alright, so if i add other apps, they should appear in the gnome menu right?
[04:24] <bob2> novaflare: yes, but how do you make a system unusable while learning?
[04:24] <islander> and honestly, I think is great
[04:24] <bob2> toxicfume: if the apps are setup correctly, yes
[04:24] <bob2> toxicfume: many are not
[04:24] <novaflare> messing with things i shouldnt
[04:25] <novaflare> things i should but in the wrong way
[04:25] <novaflare> like i got my system to the point last night where i coulldnt launch cedega because i wasnt the owner
[04:25] <novaflare> and my vid drivers were totaly messed up etc
[04:25] <islander> one of the thing that I was thinking was if the developer bring like a smoother desktop such as Longhorn nobody will beat Linux
[04:26] <hondje> Linux can't ever 'win' :)
[04:26] <novaflare> once im satisfied this time ill probably make a back up of the isntall
[04:26] <bob2> islander: what do you think gnome needs to compete with longhorn?
[04:26] <hondje> The day it gets friendly enough for my mom, the day people fork like mad :)
[04:27] <hussam> Is there a cl command to clear the contents of a text file without actually deleting it?
[04:27] <Ed_Gein> Ubuntu + Gnome is almost a perfect replacement for anything Windows has to offer
[04:27] <hussam> *plain text file
[04:27] <islander> no, I don't think that gnome needs to compete with anybody, what I am saying is that I will love gnome to be smoother and shiny or even better than longhorn
[04:27] <hondje> islander: look at e17
[04:27] <novaflare> ill tell you with things like cedega (winex) letting people play windows games on linux at or nearly the same performance
[04:28] <hondje> enlightenment v17, to be more clear
[04:28] <novaflare> linux could put a dent in windows market share
[04:28] <islander> what is e17
[04:28] <hondje> novaflare: diablo 2 runs better in wine than windows
[04:28] <hondje> er, cedega
[04:28] <novaflare> yeh so i heard
[04:28] <bob2> hussam: cat /dev/null > /path/to/file
[04:28] <bob2> islander: I'm just wondering what you think is missing :)
[04:28] <novaflare> i think with the ati rpm drivers rubies might be the secound game to do that i kno of
[04:28] <hondje> islander: http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17.html
[04:28] <hussam> bob2: thanks :)
[04:28] <novaflare> know of even
[04:29] <novaflare> rubies on my windows boot runs at about 20 to 22 fps (at most)
[04:29] <novaflare> on cedega its at like 12 in 1024x768 same settigns as windows
[04:29] <bob2> e17 is a long way from being feature-compettive with gnome
[04:30] <bob2> and lacks things like application support and the HIG
[04:30] <bob2> hussam: np!
[04:30] <novaflare> if the ati rpm drivers give me 50% more frame rate as some claimed then ill have same performance as windows
[04:30] <islander> I guess that there is nothing missing, what I am saying is that I know that the gnome could be more beautiful and more friendly and obviuosly is more powerful than widows and could have a better gui
[04:30] <bob2> islander: suggestions welcome :-)
[04:30] <novaflare> hell islander any linux desk top can
[04:31] <novaflare> look at kde for example
[04:31] <novaflare> bob2 i got one sugestion for gnome
[04:31] <hondje> Me too: wobbly windows :D
[04:31] <novaflare> be able to right click desk top for a popup applications menu
[04:31] <novaflare> that imo would make  gnome great
[04:31] <hondje> like xfce has?
[04:32] <ompaul> what is the suggested cdburner for gnome
[04:32] <novaflare> but xfce has no icons on desk top
[04:32] <bob2> that's simple to do, but I don't think many people use it
[04:32] <novaflare> while you all may not like them
[04:32] <bob2> ompaul: nautilus
[04:32] <ompaul> thanks
[04:32] <raisen> how do u enable acpi
[04:32] <novaflare> i do because theres a hand full i need and want
[04:32] <bob2> raisen: it's already enabled
[04:32] <hondje> novaflare: you can have icons if you use nautilus for desktop, like in gnome
[04:32] <raisen> i tuirend it off on installation
[04:32] <novaflare> but why bother with all that?
[04:32] <islander> I've seen the longhorn desktop already and I wish to have the knowledge to develope a great theme and design of a gnome desktop in Linux
[04:32] <raisen> i ran with acpi=off
[04:32] <raisen> command
[04:33] <bob2> raisen: how did you do that?
[04:33] <novaflare> build in the right click menu function in to gnome
[04:33] <bob2> raisen: then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:33] <raisen> or is that only that one time
[04:33] <raisen> kayz
[04:33] <hondje> novaflare: I think that might go against the interface guidlines
[04:33] <novaflare> i think what bob2 wanted sugestions about is new/ish user freindlyness
[04:33] <Vjaz> Hello. I have a fresh installation of Hoary, and I noticed that Firefox seems to be severely broken. I get XML error pages from just about everything except just browsing. For example, trying to save a file generates an XML error page. Anyone else have this problem?
[04:34] <Ed_Gein> why is it so hard for people to read the ubuntuguide.org
[04:34] <voth> is there any way to format a fw drive under ubuntu? I only have drx permission at the moment on this drive.
[04:34] <novaflare> if i was a programer id make a new add on for gnome
[04:34] <bob2> Vjaz: did you update while it was running?
[04:34] <novaflare> one that adds right click menus to desk top
[04:34] <islander> Everything in Linux is just perfect and comprehensive is just a matter of details in the icons and menus (this is my personal perspective)
[04:34] <bob2> voth: formatting has nothing to do with permissions
[04:34] <hondje> novaflare: I'm just saying, ubuntu can't control gnome, if it's against the rules it won't happen, probably
[04:35] <novaflare> yeh true
[04:35] <raisen> how do u load alsa driver?
[04:35] <bob2> raisen: they get loaded at boot
[04:35] <voth> bob2, ok. true. but how would I go about formating this drive
[04:35] <novaflare> but the ubuntu devs could put a bug in the ear of the gnome devs
[04:35] <raisen> my sound doesnt wokr
[04:35] <raisen> rihgt now
[04:35] <bob2> voth: with mkfs
[04:35] <Vjaz> bob2: Hm... I might have. There were some packages that needed an upgrade after the installation.
[04:35] <raisen> its using intel driver for my sigmatel
[04:35] <bob2> novaflare: you could propose it
[04:35] <hondje> true
[04:35] <raisen> how do i change it to using Alsa sound driver
[04:35] <raisen> or OSS?
[04:35] <bob2> Vjaz: quit and restart it
[04:35] <bob2> Vjaz: firefox doesn't like being upgraded while it's running (known bug)
[04:36] <Vjaz> bob2: Yep. That helped. Thanks.
[04:36] <novaflare> i prob will bob once its more fleshed out in my mind
[04:36] <hondje> gnome devs have a bad rep for not caring what users think :) OSNews gossip is fun
[04:36] <novaflare> as to what i would like to see
[04:36] <bob2> Vjaz: np
[04:36] <novaflare> ubuntu back up and running
[04:36] <novaflare> in 36 minutes
[04:36] <novaflare> beat that with a windows install lol
[04:36] <Vjaz> bob2: I should had tried that, but I was under the impression it was still a fresh installation, so I figured restarting was pointless.
[04:36] <bob2> hondje: you realise gnome has had actual paid interface testing done?
[04:36] <bob2> Vjaz: ah
[04:36] <hondje> bob2: Yes, and I agree with their design ideas
[04:36] <raisen> anyone know how to reassign drivers?
[04:36] <voth> bob2, can you give me an example of how to use mkfs, the man pages aren't really clear
[04:37] <bob2> voth: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdd
[04:38] <raisen> currently
[04:38] <raisen> my sound doesnt wokr
[04:38] <xf__> hi there, how does one recompile the linux-restricted-modules package (to depend/install against a custom installed kernel)?
[04:38] <bob2> it's not simple
[04:38] <Vjaz> bob2: User interface testing doesn't actually equal "caring what users think".
[04:39] <Haldrik> Hey guys...gnomemeeting and camstream both say my /dev/video0 is busy, but I don't know what program could be using it...Isn't there a command line that will output which processes are using a particular device?
[04:39] <bob2> Vjaz: how so?  you think they paid for it then ignored the results?
[04:39] <xf__> bob2: care to elaborate?
[04:39] <bob2> Haldrik: fuser -v /dev/video0
[04:39] <hondje> Vjaz: They have reasons, but their being tired of explaining to every request got them a bad rep
[04:39] <Vjaz> bob2: GNOME is concerned about usability a lot, but often if a user says "I would really like feature X." they might not listen.
[04:39] <hondje> Not bad like #debian bad, but pretty bad
[04:39] <bob2> Vjaz: see, users can't just say "I want foo" and complain if foo doesn't get implemented
[04:39] <Vjaz> bob2: No, but I think the people doing the testing aren't actual users.
[04:40] <bob2> Vjaz: how do you know that?
[04:40] <bob2> xf__: actually, getting the source package and twiddling debian/rules and debian/control is probably enough
[04:40] <hondje> Here's a thought....what's better, their following a strict set of guidelines, or KDE's free-for-all?
[04:40] <Vjaz> bob2: I don't, but it'd be a pretty stupid test if all the testers were experienced GNOME-users.
[04:40] <xf__> bob2: i've got the source package, it appears not to have a whole lot in it
[04:40] <hondje> why experienced? Why not newbies?
[04:40] <bob2> Vjaz: of course, hence I'd be very surprised if they did that
[04:41] <hondje> I'd imagine that'd be better
[04:41] <bob2> hondje: Vjaz is assuming their testing was designed to say "do what you're doing!"
[04:41] <hondje> ah, I misunderstood
[04:41] <novaflare> in any test of software you want both newbies to it and experts
[04:41] <hondje> If that was the case, gnome2 would be more like gnome1
[04:42] <novaflare> ofte it will be the totaly unexpoerianced who find a bug that every one else will miss
[04:42] <voth> bob2, dumb question but how would I determine which 'device' to use in mkfs -t ext3 /dev/??? to make sure its the fw drive and not any other drive.
[04:42] <Haldrik> Got it! Thanks bob2!
[04:42] <novaflare> often even
[04:42] <xlumin> Hi all, i'm havin issues with grub on hoary
[04:42] <bob2> voth: you need to know what it is
[04:42] <bob2> voth: and look through the output of "dmesg"
[04:42] <xlumin> i've just put in a new hdd to replace the one with my /boot partition on
[04:42] <Vjaz> The only thing I'm assuming is that they had a broad range of interface testers some of whom had no idea what GNOME was before the tests. And the point is that the testers don't equal to the users who are elsewhere pleading for features to be implemented etc.
[04:43] <xlumin> i've copied across all the old /boot to the new /boot
[04:43] <thr1ce> damn, breezy hasn't been fixed yet?
[04:43] <xlumin> and even copied across the mbr..
[04:43] <bob2> thr1ce: it's not intended for users for a while yet
[04:43] <hondje> Vjaz: I see what you mean....any example of a heavily demanded feature they won't put in?
[04:43] <bob2> xlumin: why do you have a seperate /boot at all?
[04:43] <thr1ce> bob2, :(
[04:43] <bob2> xf__: seems to be a seperate source package for each kernel version
[04:43] <bob2> xf__: get the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10 package or so
[04:44] <xlumin> cos I'm movin it to the new hdd..
[04:44] <Vjaz> bob2: I don't have an example of that, except that I'm pissed that there's no menu editor.
[04:44] <hondje> Vjaz: That has to do with meeting FDO stds IIRC
[04:44] <hondje> It'll be back in 2.12
[04:44] <thr1ce> gcc is used to compile the kernel, right?
[04:44] <hondje> Or I'm totally lying to you :)
[04:44] <Vjaz> bob2: But it's more of a comparison to KDE. I understand they've been quite "helpful" in implementing a lot of stuff users requested, which has resulted in crowded menus and such.
[04:44] <bob2> thr1ce: yes...
[04:44] <xlumin> thing is, I can't get grub to install itself properly on the new hdd
[04:44] <Vjaz> hondje: FDO stds?
[04:45] <hondje> Vjaz: Sounds a lot like the old linux vs bsd style of development flamewars
[04:45] <xlumin> so when I try an boot off it it goes:
[04:45] <hondje> Vjaz: freedesktop.org, sorry
[04:45] <Vjaz> Ah, ok.
[04:45] <xlumin> GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB
[04:45] <raisen> ok i somehow hanged ubunut
[04:45] <xf__> bob2: yeah, i did that, i've now modified debian/control to only compile against my custom kernel name, now trying dpkg-buildpackage - that sound like the general gist?
[04:45] <xlumin> etc..
[04:45] <hondje> I recall being told that they needed more work on it and couldn't get it in 2.10
[04:45] <bob2> xlumin: right
[04:45] <xlumin> any ideas?
[04:45] <xf__> hmm.. is there a list of gpg keys i can import of ubuntu dev's?  gpg/dpkg-buildpackage is complaining
[04:46] <Vjaz> hondje: It was there in 2.8, so I don't know about that...
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: right
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: just build with with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -nc"
[04:46] <hondje> Vjaz: yeah...if you ask in #gnome, they'll explain it with only mild annoyance
[04:46] <xf__> bob2: what do those particular arguments do?
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: the gpg error is because it can't find their *private* key, which is presumably not available ;p
[04:46] <xxenon> after changing /etc/network/interfaces , shouldnt "/etc/init.d/networking restart" reconfigure my ifaces ?
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: no sign, no sign, don't clean
[04:46] <xf__> bob2: oh, heh, right :)
[04:46] <thr1ce> will grub pick up a kernel that I compile myself?
[04:46] <xf__> might hack it to sign with my key, then
[04:47] <hondje> thr1ce: try update-grub, but it probably won't work
[04:47] <Vjaz> Heh. I don't mind that much right now. It's not really all that common for myself to need editing the menus. There are some apps that don't appear there though. It's an annoyance for me, but not big.
[04:47] <thr1ce> what must be edited?
[04:47] <jeroen_> Vjaz, you can edit ~/.local/applications
[04:47] <hondje> Vjaz: It's annoying to me, since smeg doesnt' work and I have a bunch of KDE apps in my gnome menus
[04:47] <bob2> cadaver: can you not?
[04:47] <jeroen_> Vjaz, sorry: ~/.local/share/applications
[04:48] <cadaver> bob2, sry
[04:48] <hondje> Is dict broken?
[04:48] <jeroen_> hondje, ~/.local/share/applications edit these to edit your menus
[04:49] <hondje> jeroen_: oh, awesome...thank you very much :)
[04:49] <boopop> how come when I try to add mp3s to the music player's library nothing happens?
[04:49] <hondje> jeroen_: will it do only gnome, or KDE too?
[04:49] <jeroen_> hondje, I think both
[04:49] <thr1ce> kde is very easy to edit the menu
[04:49] <bob2> boopop: did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats yet?
[04:49] <jeroen_> hondje, I think you can also hide your kde entries from gnome; not sure though
[04:49] <jaysinn> I was told to un comment the universe from the apt get source file.  Where is that file located?
[04:49] <hondje> oh, I don't mind KDE menus being torn up, they're already a cluster-f* :)
[04:49] <hondje> jaysinn: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <boopop> bob2: it will play mp3s
[04:50] <jaysinn> thanks
[04:50] <boopop> bob2: I sorted that out
[04:50] <bob2> ok
[04:50] <jaysinn> do you recommend a good text editor
[04:50] <xf__> bob2: ok, it built, but the resulting .deb's are like 20K big... sure that isn't right
[04:50] <chillywilly> anyone know where I can get the *newer* mplayer plugin
[04:50] <hondje> jaysinn: try sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:50] <thr1ce> vim is good
[04:50] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Yes, I know you can edit that directory, but it's not exactly user friendly.
[04:50] <jaysinn> thanks
[04:51] <hondje> jaysinn: if you want one for terminal, vim is awesome if you want to learn it, nano is nice and easy
[04:51] <bob2> xf__: but did it produce like 50 of the,?
[04:51] <boopop> bob2: and when I double click on one of the mp3s im trying to add, it adds them all until I close the music player, and they're not in the library next time I run the music player
[04:51] <jeroen_> Vjaz, I agree a menu editor should be included with Gnome
[04:51] <bob2> boopop: ok
[04:51] <novaflare> ahhh scrap
[04:51] <jaysinn> i have used vi in the past
[04:51] <xf__> bob2: no, i hacked the control file so it wuold only build the -686 images
[04:51] <novaflare> i forgot to reboot to mmy proper kernel
[04:51] <boopop> bob2: any ideas?
[04:51] <xf__> and it built them fine, just, there appears to be nothing in them
[04:51] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Also, I'm not sure if you can remove items that are in the default menu that way.
[04:51] <bob2> boopop: no, sorry
[04:51] <xf__> well, "built".  it made the deb's, i saw no compiling of the modules or whatever happening
[04:51] <bob2> I don't use rhythmbox
[04:51] <novaflare> and install the drivers etc for the k7 kernel
[04:51] <boopop> anybody?
[04:51] <jaysinn> i would just remove the comment from the universe servers right?
[04:51] <xlumin> menu editor will be in Gnome 2.12, if you don't mind waitin for breezy..
[04:52] <vanberge> hi guys...  i dont usually use gnome, but is it possible to change the splash that displays when gnome is loading ?
[04:52] <jeroen_> Vjaz, then you can use some /usr dir to remove these
[04:52] <bob2> jaysinn: yes
[04:52] <jeroen_> vanberge, yes it is
[04:52] <boopop> bob2: it just says loading songs, then nothing happens
[04:52] <random__> FATAL: Error inserting emu10k1 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/emu10k1/emu10k1.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[04:52] <random__> help?
[04:52] <xf__> bob2: any clues?  do i need anything else installed to be able to build restricted-modules?
[04:53] <bob2> xf__: just it's build-dependencies
[04:53] <bob2> random__: someone compiled the module wrong
[04:53] <bob2> random__: I'd be very surprised if it came from ubuntu like that
[04:53] <vanberge> jeroen_, is there a how to ?
[04:53] <hondje> wow, that's a popular module :o
[04:53] <random__> i dont have the modules
[04:53] <jeroen_> vanberge, I'm looking it up right now
[04:53] <bob2> random__: yes, you do
[04:53] <random__> ok
[04:53] <cadaver> bob2, no.. the emu drivers on the ubuntu kernel are fine by default
[04:53] <hondje> random__: sudo apt-get install linux-686, maybe the module there would work
[04:53] <xf__> bob2: how does one find that out?
[04:53] <vanberge> jeroen_, im trying too
[04:53] <bob2> random__: what happened to break that?
[04:53] <bob2> hondje: that won't help
[04:54] <xf__> bob2: i assume you don't mean debian/control
[04:54] <hondje> No? Bummer
[04:54] <bob2> xf__: sudo apt-get build-dep linux-rstrictec...
[04:54] <boopop> anybody else have any ideas?
[04:54] <LinuxJones> random__, I am using the 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel and have no problem with the alsa driver
[04:54] <bob2> xf__: that's where they come from
[04:54] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Well removing stuff globally isn't all that nice if the computer has other users.
[04:54] <xf__> bob2: nothing really mentioned in there
[04:54] <jeroen_> vanberge, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 numero 8!
[04:54] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Also, the user might not have root rights.
[04:54] <ablyss> ubuntu-5.4-install-i386.iso < is this the current hoary ?
[04:54] <jeroen_> Vjaz, yep ;)
[04:54] <xf__> bob2: those apckages are installed
[04:54] <jeroen_> ablyss, yes
[04:54] <jeroen_> ablyss, 5.04
[04:54] <Vjaz> jeroen_: I think there's some way to ignore .desktop-files, but I'm not sure how.
[04:54] <vanberge> jeroen_, tx
[04:55] <LinuxJones> random__, sorry I didn't read everything you should be using the snd-emu10k1 alsa driver
[04:55] <ablyss> i tried installing 5.04 on my Ibm aptiva ( 800 mhz ) yesterday.. it would return an error half way through the install.. anyone ran into this sort of problem before?
[04:55] <jeroen_> Vjaz, display=no?
[04:55] <hondje> I'm glad the only thing my install didn't do write hardware wise was set up X :-) Luck is on my side
[04:55] <random__> LinuxJones: i dont know what that means i'm a new linux user
[04:55] <yccheok> in vsftpd, i enable anoyomous access. i use root account to create a soft link to drwxrwxrwx   2 yccheok yccheok 4096 2005-06-05 21:22 a located in /home/yccheok/Movie
[04:56] <yccheok> lrwxrwxrwx    1 0        0              23 Jun 05 14:53 Movies -> /home/yccheok/Movies/a/
[04:56] <Scorpinf> DMA problem, my module loads the drivers in this order
[04:56] <yccheok> but whenever i cd to Movies after login as anoymous, i just cannt change to tat directory
[04:56] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Maybe something like that.
[04:56] <boopop> help?
[04:57] <Scorpinf> ide-cd
[04:57] <Scorpinf> ide-disk
[04:57] <Scorpinf> ide-generic
[04:57] <Scorpinf> lp
[04:57] <Scorpinf> mousedev
[04:57] <Scorpinf> psmouse etc.... i read that the right driver must load first . does this look right
[04:57] <LinuxJones> random__, ok can you do lsmod and paste the output to www.pastebin.ca, then post the link here ?
[04:57] <jeroen_> Why doesn't nautilus play ogg encrypted files when you hover over them? (It does this with mp3 encrypted files)
[04:57] <bob2> ablyss: check the cd is fine
[04:57] <bob2> jeroen_: "encrypted"?
[04:57] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows?
[04:57] <xf__> bob2: any clues?  i'm stuck
[04:58] <dReadMoRe> bob2, i've installed ipmasq
[04:58] <bob2> xf__: you installed all the build-dependencies?
[04:58] <dReadMoRe> bob2, what file do i have to configure?
[04:58] <xf__> bob2: sure, they were installed ages ago
[04:58] <xf__> unless i'm misunderstanding
[04:58] <bob2> xf__: don't know then, it should just work
[04:58] <bob2> dReadMoRe: none
[04:59] <xf__> bob2: could you clarify /exactly/ how i'd find the build-dependencies?
[04:59] <boopop> please can someone help me?
[04:59] <bob2> 00:54:08           bob2 | xf__: sudo apt-get build-dep linux-rstrictec...
[04:59] <corza> it worked without doing anything :)
[04:59] <dReadMoRe> bob2, none? so is only install ipmasq and is sharing the connection to windows?
[04:59] <novaflare> whats the command to see kernel version?
[04:59] <bob2> dReadMoRe: and telling it which interface to use
[04:59] <bob2> novaflare: uname -r
[05:00] <xf__> bob2: what are the exact name of those packages?  you mean build-essential and linux-restricted-modules-686 (apt-get source) ?
[05:00] <jeroen_> bob2, sorry, not encrypted ofcourse; compressed
[05:00] <dReadMoRe> bob2, where can i put the interface that i'm using?
[05:00] <LinuxJones> random__, first open a gnome-terminal and do rmmod soundcore
[05:00] <LinuxJones> random__, sorry sudo -s first that will get you an admin terminal
[05:00] <bob2> xf__: er?
[05:01] <bob2> xf__: the build-dependencies vary per-package.  run the command I gave you, obviously with the right name.
[05:01] <bob2> dReadMoRe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq
[05:01] <xf__> bob2: i'm not entirely sure what the 'right name' is - i'm not following you
[05:01] <corza> argh ive forgotten how to change my monitors hz anyone fill me in?
[05:01] <LinuxJones> random__, yeah
[05:01] <jeroen_> corza, xorg.conf
[05:01] <jeroen_> corza, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:01] <bob2> xf__: right name = name of the source package you are trying to build
[05:01] <bob2> anyway, bye
[05:02] <xf__> bob2: sure, done that
[05:02] <xf__> ok, thanks anyway
[05:02] <LinuxJones> random__, ok rmmod sound
[05:02] <jeroen_> Why doesn't nautilus play ogg files when you hover over them? (It does this with mp3 files)
[05:02] <LinuxJones> random__, do lsmod again and those modules whould be gone
[05:02] <LinuxJones> *should
[05:03] <dReadMoRe> bob2, i do that i it never asks what interface i suppose to use
[05:03] <LinuxJones> random__, sorry dude I am hung over and not with it today :(
[05:03] <Jormundgand> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1962
[05:04] <corza> i dont see where to change it :|
[05:04] <corza> i remember goin in here but i cant see where to change the hz
[05:04] <boopop> how come when I try to add mp3s to the music player's library nothing happens?
[05:04] <boopop>  it just says loading songs, then nothing happens
[05:04] <boopop> and when I double click on one of the mp3s im trying to add, it adds them all until I close the music player, and they're not in the library next time I run the music player
[05:05] <nova> getting a error here dont know why
[05:05] <raisen> ok i htink i crashed the kernel
[05:05] <raisen> XD
[05:05] <nova> on ./make.sh for my ati rpm drivers (aleined to deb)
[05:05] <jeroen_> corza, search for VertRefresh or something like that in xorg.conf
[05:05] <nova> initializing...
[05:05] <nova> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:05] <nova> then under that
[05:06] <nova> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[05:06] <dakz> how is it that i cant access my 2nd hd even if i can see it
[05:07] <dakz> ?
[05:07] <jeroen_> corza, HorizSync and VertRefresh in section "Monitor"
[05:07] <chocoIate> i get the following error : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1206
[05:07] <LinuxJones> random__, I think it depends on which model sb card you have have a peek here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
Can anyone suggest me a channel where i can ask beginner questions on IRC?</off-topic>
[05:07] <chocoIate> can anybody help :o
[05:08] <chocoIate> my error --> : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1206 any help highly appreciated :P
[05:08] <Number9> (specifically about voice chat)
[05:08] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows?
[05:08] <corza> its not in there
[05:09] <jeroen_> corza, maybe you should add it?
[05:09] <Daylighthater> offtopic www.rolandgarros.fr exiting game :d
[05:09] <jeroen_> corza, I'm unsure
[05:09] <paringas> hi, guys, how do you playback you mic with kmix?
[05:10] <raisen> ubunutu has failed me
[05:11] <corza> k i've put it in how do i refresh it?
[05:12] <jaysinn> i just downloaded jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[05:12] <jaysinn>  I thought I could just use ./ to run this and install it.  What is the command to install the java runtime enviroment
[05:12] <floater_> hey I did modprobe -a sound , if I restart sound system it says /smth like no such file or dir dev/audio
[05:13] <boopop> Can anyone help me please?
[05:13] <action09> hi all
[05:16] <cikilin> hello
[05:16] <drfanatic> hello! please help! my HP laserjet 1000 printer does not work with ubuntu
[05:16] <cikilin> how i change my password?
[05:17] <paringas> boopop: what can you see ./your_player_name in your user folder?
[05:17] <paringas> boopop: edit: no what
[05:17] <LinuxJones> drfanatic, you checked out gnome-cups-manager ?
[05:18] <LinuxJones> cikilin, passwd
[05:18] <drfanatic> who is the cups.manager?
[05:19] <cikilin> how i change my passw pls
[05:19] <cikilin> ?
[05:19] <LinuxJones> drfanatic, type sudo gnome-cups-manager then enter your users password when prompted
[05:19] <LinuxJones> cikilin, passwd
[05:19] <corza> how do i refresh my monitor hz?
[05:19] <drfanatic> thx... mom
[05:20] <drfanatic> ** (gnome-cups-manager:12618): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030
[05:20] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows? :x
[05:20] <cikilin> linuxjones:cikilin@10:~ $ sudo gnome-cups-manager
[05:20] <cikilin> ** (gnome-cups-manager:12402): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030
[05:21] <LinuxJones> corza, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor
[05:21] <LinuxJones> cikilin, your in the account that you used to install Ubuntu ?
[05:21] <boopop> how come when I try to add mp3s to the music player's library nothing happens?
[05:21] <cikilin> ?
[05:21] <boopop>  it just says loading songs, then nothing happens
[05:21] <cikilin> i am a beginner
[05:21] <boopop> and when I double click on one of the mp3s im trying to add, it adds them all until I close the music player, and they're not in the library next time I run the music player
[05:21] <mainer> use firestarter,read the docs at www.fs-security.com,use it to enable dhcp for your local network
[05:22] <cikilin> step by step
[05:22] <cikilin> pls
[05:22] <rnasklaved> boopop- try to add not yoo much at a time
[05:22] <dooglus> according to 'ifconfig', eth0 is downloading about 15k to 20k per second, but I'm not running and web browser, or anything else other than gaim and ssh, and netstat -ap doesn't show any other connections.
[05:23] <dooglus>  how might you explain that?
[05:23] <WhiteRabbit> network traffic?
[05:23] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: wouldn't netstat show it up?
[05:23] <WhiteRabbit> inside network traffic vs outside traffic
[05:23] <Vjaz> boopop: You probably need to install the mp3-plugin. You'll need to enable the "universe" repository.  That's odd.
[05:24] <floater_> hey how do I get dev/audio and /dev/dsp installed? ...cant get this fuggen awe64 to work
[05:24] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, you are in a ssh session then or someone else to you is
[05:24] <nova> no matter what i try it stays
[05:25] <boopop> Vjaz: apart from feeder's music for some reason
[05:25] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: I'm using ssh to talk to you now
[05:25] <Vjaz> I remember having some trouble with Rhythmbox, too.
[05:25] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: irssi is running on a remote server
[05:25] <Vjaz> Adding songs.
[05:25] <boopop> even though they're all mp3s
[05:25] <nova> xorg drivers mesa 3d indirect atis converted to deb mesa crap 3d
[05:25] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, how many channels are you in
[05:25] <nova> same thing
[05:25] <goldfish_> WhiteRabbit: /whois dooglus
[05:25] <boopop> rnasklaved: nope, still nothing
[05:25] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: the download rate of 15 to 20k/s stays the same even if I disconnect the ssh session.
[05:25] <goldfish_> WhiteRabbit: will tell you
[05:25] <boopop> rnasklaved: it's adding some music
[05:25] <WhiteRabbit> goldfish_, not if he is private lol
[05:26] <goldfish_> WhiteRabbit: true :)
[05:26] <boopop> rnasklaved: but nothinh else
[05:26] <Vjaz> Which is why I moved to using amaroK at one point. It's pretty neat, although it requires quite a bunch of extra libraries because it's a KDE app.
[05:26] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, pissed anyone off today?
[05:26] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: and anyway, the other channels I'm in wouldn't cause network traffic between my and the remote irssi session - only between the remote irssi session and the irc server
[05:26] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: maybe.
[05:26] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, http://www.eth0.us/?q=sysctl
[05:26] <chocoIate> back