[04:24] <jansen> dabaSlon java version "1.5.0_01"
[04:24] <jansen> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[04:24] <jansen> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing)
[04:25] <seth_> What is a good UI program for scannig for APs?
[04:25] <Razor-X> "Banannas in Pajamas!!!"
 You're right. How could I screw that up? Anyway, tell me more about why not to log in as the root.
[04:26] <count0nz> anyone have a script to build a base install inside a changeroot ?
[04:26] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: is it a Java program?
[04:26] <bob2_> whyameye: because there's no need to, and it only increases the chance of mistakes
[04:26] <bob2_> count0nz: debootstrap
[04:26] <seth_> bob2_, I'm getting this. :FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'prism2' in source 'prism2,eth1,prism2source'
[04:27] <seth_> eth1 is my wireless card.
[04:27] <count0nz> thanks bob2_  :)
[04:27] <whyameye> bob2_, fair enough. Anyway, thanx for helping me out.
[04:27] <bob2_> seth_: you do need to configure it...
[04:27] <seth_> And it is a prism card.
[04:27] <dabaSlon> bob is on a row...
[04:27] <seth_> I had kismet on here before.
[04:27] <Razor-X> well, I wonder what's uglier in KDE....
[04:27] <dabaSlon> is that what the word is, row, not role, or roll?
[04:27] <JDahl> does anyone know of a reference to a guide on rebuilding debian packages from source? I am writing some documentation for a package, and want the easy way out by giving such a reference incase people need to rebuild the package. (I cant find anything suitable at www.debian.org)
[04:27] <nickrud> I gotta really think about why BSD would be a non-free license
[04:27] <bob2_> seth_: with that exact same config?
[04:28] <bob2_> JDahl: why do people want to rebuild it?
[04:28] <seth_> It's set as prism2,eth1,prism2source
[04:28] <darkaudit> JDahl: Debian new maintainer's guide
[04:28] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: it is free but very loopy and i wont ever publish my work under it
[04:28] <bob2_> JDahl: and you do mean "rebuilding debian packages from the debian source package", right?
[04:28] <JDahl> bob2_, because it's possible to link against commericial libraries if you have them + I only have access i386
[04:28] <JDahl> bob2_, no.. my own debian package
[04:29] <bob2_> JDahl: bah
[04:29] <bob2_> JDahl: you're being too vague
[04:29] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, I've been going by 'respected sources', and when a respectes source says something, I gotta think
[04:29] <bob2_> do you mean "random source .tar.gzs" or "debian source packages (ie .dsc, .tar.gz and .diff.gz"?
[04:29] <bob2_> seth_: is that a yes or a no?
[04:29] <whyameye> is there a way in ubuntu to add to the path globally i.e. for all users
[04:29] <seth_> bob2_, that is a yes.
[04:29] <bob2_> whyameye: edit /etc/profile
[04:30] <bob2_> seth_: what have you changed since then?
[04:30] <wesw> bob2, uninstalled portsentry and still get the following doing netstat -plunt | grep 21, any ideas?  wesw@usmc:~$ sudo netstat -plunt | grep 21
[04:30] <wesw> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:21              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     9924/inetd
[04:30] <wesw> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:123         <IP_ADDRESS>:*                          10321/ntpd
[04:30] <wesw> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:123           <IP_ADDRESS>:*                          10321/ntpd
[04:30] <wesw> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:123             <IP_ADDRESS>:*                          10321/ntpd
[04:30] <wesw> udp6       0      0 :::123                  :::*                               10321/ntpd
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: four clause BSD is somewhat 'nonfree'
[04:30] <JDahl> bob2_, the last one... I dont want to have to explain fakeroot and dpkg-buildpackage
[04:30] <seth_> bob2_, nothing.
[04:30] <bob2_> JDahl: apt-get source blah
[04:30] <bob2_> JDahl: or apt-get source -b blah, if people are very lazy
[04:30] <bob2_> wesw: edit /etc/inetd.conf, comment out the ftp line (it will mention "21")
[04:30] <dabaSlon> yay, blazaah, whats up?
[04:30] <nickrud> god, I used to follow -legal, and now I've probably bit off more than I can chew.
[04:31] <Razor-X> hmmm, how do yo umount an ISO as a drive?
[04:31] <jansen> my azureus it's ok,thx
[04:31] <Razor-X> *you mount
[04:31] <bob2_> 4-clause is highly obnoxious, if nothing else
[04:31] <whyameye> bob2_, I tried that and it doesn't seem to work when entering the shell from Gnome
[04:31] <darkaudit> nickrud: careful... you'll turn into krazykook ;)
[04:31] <bob2_> whyameye: indeed
[04:31] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:31] <jansen> give me the bittorrent site about music plz!
[04:31] <bob2_> whyameye: /etc/bash.bashrc then
[04:31] <blazaah> dabaSlon, i just did as bob said..right click file and select right to disk
[04:31] <bob2_> jansen: this is not a warez channel
[04:32] <blazaah> dabaSlon, almost done burning...
[04:32] <JDahl> bob2_, I know..., I just prefer not writing a guide on it
[04:32] <jansen> sorry
[04:32] <james_> what's faster, a gefore 6600 PCI express or 6600 agp?
[04:32] <Razor-X> errr, how do you mount an ISO as a disc?
[04:32] <bob2_> Razor-X: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro foo.iso /mnt
[04:32] <CarlK> Razor-X - mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/foo
[04:33] <seth_> bob2_, I haven't changed anything.
[04:33] <CarlK> bob2_ - skip the -t, mount will figure it out
[04:33] <Razor-X> does it work with DVD iisoS AS WELL?
[04:33] <Razor-X> damn!
[04:33] <Razor-X> sorry
[04:33] <CarlK> but don't skip the sudo ;)
[04:33] <bob2_> Razor-X: there is no difference
[04:33] <Razor-X> *ISOs as well
[04:33] <Razor-X> ok, good
[04:33] <Razor-X> just wanted to be sure
[04:34] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:34] <wesw> bob2, thanks.  but uncommented wsftpd line.  init 1 and back, still same symptoms.  any futher ideas? wesw@usmc:~$ sudo netstat -plunt | grep 21
[04:34] <wesw> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:10000           <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     13321/perl
[04:34] <wesw> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:21              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     13224/vsftpd
[04:34] <wesw> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:10000           <IP_ADDRESS>:*                          13321/perl
[04:35] <bob2_> stop going to init 1
[04:35] <wesw> k
[04:35] <bob2_> you have fixed it, vsftpd is running now
[04:35] <whyameye> bob2_: thanks a million! That works too!
[04:35] <wesw> bob2, then THANKS!   you're quite knowledgeable.
[04:35] <darkaudit> Razor-X: used k3b to burn the ISO... got a (small) DVD that works on the TV
[04:36] <seth_> bob2_ is a god.
[04:36] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:36] <dabaSlon> see bob2_ is on a roll, as I said.
[04:36] <bob2_> seth_: try the other source options, I guess
[04:36] <wesw> he's got my vote
[04:36] <darkaudit> or at least plays w/ xine
[04:36] <seth_> bob2_, like what?
[04:36] <dabaSlon> I like it when there is one of the ops in the # its better:)
[04:36] <bob2_> seth_: like the othere's in the example file
[04:37] <|JE55E|> Hey guys. I cant dialup on my external modem with Ubuntu. Anyone here able to help me diagnose it?
[04:37] <bob2_> dabaSlon: there are lots of ops here
[04:37] <dabaSlon> yeah, there are many gods...you know?
[04:37] <bob2_> we just don't always wear @
[04:37] <dabaSlon> yeah, well, a few guys know more:) like, you crimsun, daniels, tritium, ogra...
[04:38] <dabaSlon> not many other names can be there in that list....what is it with me and sets today??
[04:38] <|JE55E|> Seeing as there are so many 'gods' here, surely someone can help :-)
[04:38] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: man, its you doing something...
[04:38] <dabaSlon> |JE55E|: yeah, yuore issue is sweet.
[04:38] <bob2_> |JE55E|: you need to ask a more specific question
[04:39] <dabaSlon> bob2_ is very specific you know?:)
[04:39] <JDahl> |JE55E|, did you sacrifice a goat yet?
[04:39] <bob2_> people don't like to answer such amazingly vague ones like that, since they don't know what they're getting themselves into
[04:39] <dabaSlon> ok, thats it, sorry
[04:39] <dabaSlon> JDahl: yeah...:)
[04:39] <|JE55E|> good cal bob2. Heres the deal then:
[04:39] <dabaSlon> k,...go
[04:39] <dabaSlon> :)
[04:39] <dabaSlon> sorry
[04:40] <|JE55E|> It dials up. Have tried config by gui and pon. However, get "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests" in /var/log/messages
[04:40] <nickrud> dabaSlon, there are so many more, it's just that most are spending what free time they have making things workable, not telling us how to use them
[04:40] <seth_> find: kismet: No such file or directory
[04:40] <seth_> Does that mean kismet is not installed?
[04:40] <|JE55E|> It doesnt seem to get to stage of giving me a ppp0 in ifconfig
[04:40] <bob2_> seth_: dude
[04:40] <seth_> bob2_, I was looking for the config file.
[04:40] <bob2_> seth_: that seems like a pretty important point
[04:41] <|JE55E|> after the LCP:... error the modem hangs up
[04:41] <seth_> bob2_, I can run kismet from the CL though. That is the thing.
[04:41] <seth_> I can run it, but find doesn't see it.
[04:41] <|JE55E|> Just before LCP error is this line: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
[04:41] <bob2_> seth_: wo what find command di you run?
[04:41] <whyameye> is there a good GUI for Gnome to manage my wireless network connections?
[04:41] <seth_> bob2_, locate / | grep kismet
[04:42] <dabaSlon> thats for  your home folder...
[04:42] <bob2_> seth_: perhaps it hasn't been updated
[04:42] <bob2_> whyameye: no
[04:42] <bob2_> whyameye: netapplet is ok
[04:42] <Chamlap`> whyameye: I use the installed network monitor and set up profiles
[04:42] <seth_> dabaSlon, locate / | grep kismet isn't for the home folder. It's from the root.
[04:42] <Chamlap`> hey guys, i'm trying to install mplayer and I get this error Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed <-- how can I fix this?
[04:42] <bob2_> seth_: find /
[04:42] <pristine> i have a problem with my wireless:  I just got ndiswrapper working but it is setup with a IPV6 addr how do i change it to an IPV4 addr?
[04:43] <bob2_> Chamlap`: dude, don't use marillat's archive, please
[04:43] <whyameye> Chamlap: I'm a newbie. How to I run network monitor?
[04:43] <bob2_> pristine: ask for a dhcp lease on it
[04:43] <seth_> There we go.
[04:43] <Chamlap`> bob2_: ok no problem, didn't know I was?
[04:43] <pristine> bob2_: how do i do that?
[04:43] <bob2_> Chamlap`: well, someone rooted you then and edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:44] <bob2_> Chamlap`: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:44] <bob2_> pristine: sudo dhclient eth1, or whatever the interface is
[04:44] <Chamlap`> is there a different tutorial for installling mplayer instead of ubuntuguide.org?
[04:44] <Chamlap`> I added more from ubuntuguide.org
[04:44] <bob2_> assuming you setup the essid and stuff
[04:44] <linuxn00b> hey people :D
[04:44] <bob2_> Chamlap`: there you go, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:44] <brazmetal> hey does anybody know where I can find a gaim 1.3 debian package?
[04:44] <bob2_> brazmetal: is it *that* essential?
[04:44] <james_> brazmetal: www.debian.org
[04:44] <|JE55E|> Chamlap - there is an addon that does it automatically for you. I will get you the link.
[04:45] <pristine> bob2_: yes i set all of that up
[04:46] <|JE55E|> Chamlap` - www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/
[04:46] <pristine> bob2_: how do i set up the essid, just be be sure i did it right
[04:46] <bob2_> pristine: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid blah
[04:46] <bob2_> or in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:46] <|JE55E|> Chamlap` - its ubuntuaddon.zip or you can download the unofficial ubuntu addon cd with more apps
[04:47] <bob2_> I'd strongly recommend not doing that
[04:47] <bob2_> and instead, just installing mplayer from ubuntu
[04:47] <|JE55E|> bob, why?
[04:47] <|JE55E|> It has worked fine on my system
[04:47] <brazmetal> bob2_, what?
[04:47] <dabaSlon> |JE55E|: the cd is meant for offline, for one...
[04:47] <brazmetal> james_, there's only old versions...
[04:47] <dabaSlon> brazmetal: why do you need that version?
[04:48] <Chamlap`> thanks guys, I appreciate it!
[04:48] <dabaSlon> yup let us know...:)
[04:48] <|JE55E|> Anyone have any idea on my dialup problem?
[04:48] <brazmetal> dabaSlon, it's the newer... and at ubuntu repos there are just old ones...
[04:48] <dabaSlon> so, why do you need the new one is what I am asking...
[04:48] <james_> brazmetal: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim
[04:49] <pristine> bob2_: I set the essid, but still no luck with the dhclient
[04:49] <Fass> Gaim 1.3 is avaliable in backports
[04:49] <whyameye> bob2_: once I install netapplet, how do I find it and/or run it?
[04:50] <brazmetal> james_, oh thanks.... I had tried apt-get.org and there was just outdated stuff
[04:50] <eater773> pls. tell me how to install a program...
[04:50] <Chamlap`> Thanks again guys, Installing mplayer now :)
[04:50] <eater773> where will i use the command apt -get ???
[04:50] <brazmetal> ah.. its outdated :(
[04:51] <james_> brazmetal: that was 1.3
[04:51] <|JE55E|> Doesnt anyone know how to get dialup working here?
[04:51] <brazmetal> no
[04:51] <brazmetal> that was 1.1.3
[04:52] <whyameye> eater773: can you just use the synaptics package manager in the System -> Administration menu?
[04:52] <Chamlap`> Another quick question.  I have a NIC and a wireless card in this laptop, where can I set dhcp for "manual" instead of auto for eth0 (NIC) because it takes forever for the network interfaces to come up when the pc first starts.  I think it's because it's trying to setup eth0 through dhcp but I never use the NIC
[04:52] <nemik> so i got a .tar.gz file..how do i install it?
[04:52] <james_> brazmetal: 1:1.3.0-1
[04:52] <dabaSlon> brazmetal: why do you need it?
[04:52] <james_> brazmetal, which is 1.3
[04:52] <brazmetal> ahhh yes...
[04:52] <brazmetal> sorry ehehhe
[04:52] <nickrud> eater773, I have a few minutes, what are you trying to install
[04:52] <eater773> hyameye -> sorry.. i'm just a newbie from ubuntu.... shifting from window to linux ...
[04:53] <james_> congrats eater773
[04:53] <eater773> nickrud -> gnomebaker-0.2 program....
[04:53] <_abbenormal> im have problems with startx and xfce4 anyone up to help
[04:53] <whyameye> I installed netapplet, but I can't find it. What is it called?
[04:53] <james_> _abbenormal, sure
[04:54] <eater773> sorry guys for so many question... really i need help.. some answer i been  researching on it ok...
[04:54] <_abbenormal> cool thanks
[04:54] <james_> _abbenormal, what's wrong?
[04:54] <Chamlap`> eater773: I'm a noob like you but I can try and help
[04:54] <_abbenormal> only get a black screen
[04:54] <eater773> but how to install automatically any program that u downloaded... no problem Chamlap...
[04:54] <Chamlap`> is you video card supported?
[04:54] <nickrud> eater773, it' s in the universe repository
[04:54] <james_> any error?
[04:54] <_abbenormal> thinking im still not setting up a conf yet
[04:55] <_abbenormal> errors not seeing any as when i use startx it goes black screen only no prompt
[04:55] <Chamlap`> _abbenormal: can you alt+del+f1?
[04:55] <nickrud> eater773, if you work your way through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, you can get it with apt-get
[04:55] <_abbenormal> hum not tried that
[04:56] <_abbenormal> let me see
[04:56] <kestas> Chamlap`: its ctrl-alt-f1
[04:56] <eater773> nickrud--> browsing now...
[04:56] <Chamlap`> kestas: oh yeah, oops :P
[04:56] <Chamlap`> what kestas said :)
[04:56] <nickrud> eater773, actually 0.3 is available thruough univers
[04:56] <Chamlap`> if you get a prompt, log in as root
[04:56] <_abbenormal> nothing
[04:57] <james_> _abbenormal, xorg or xfree86
[04:57] <Chamlap`> hey guys, I just installed maplyer through ubuntu, but everytime I try and play anything with it it freezes.  totem works though
[04:57] <eater773> nickrud -> i don't have a DVD writer ...
[04:57] <kestas> Chamlap`: which output plugin are you using/
[04:57] <nickrud> eater773, ?
[04:58] <_abbenormal> ok this is a bare install nothing but what xfce asked for
[04:58] <Chamlap`> I get a error screen ut it's empty
[04:58] <nickrud> eater773, ok, what is it you want to do?
[04:58] <_abbenormal> in the setup it got some stuff for xorg
[04:58] <Chamlap`> kestas: whatever default is, how can I check?
[04:59] <kestas> right click, preferences
[04:59] <kestas> one of the tabs
[04:59] <bob2_> |JE55E|: you're not using aol, are you?
[04:59] <kestas> try different output plugins, one will probably work
[04:59] <|JE55E|> no Bob. iiNet in Australia
[04:59] <eater773> nickrud-> just viewing the site.. following instruction.... to automatically install any program i downloaded in the werb..
[05:00] <Chamlap`> kestas: when i open gmplayer I get this error: perhaps the problem? vo: X11 running at 1680x1050 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[05:00] <Chamlap`> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[05:00] <Chamlap`> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[05:00] <Chamlap`>  <
[05:00] <|JE55E|> I have tried to iinet, and also to a windows RAS connection I have access to. Same problem on both
[05:00] <Chamlap`> damn..sorry, though it wouldn't add more lines
[05:00] <kestas> Chamlap`: try it with a different output plugin
[05:00] <eater773> nickrud-> why is it ubuntu does not put automatic install ???
[05:00] <|JE55E|> They are PAP connections
[05:00] <kestas> youre using vo at the moment
[05:00] <tremere> anyone here used PENGAOL?  i need a way to connect to AOL, but most ppp tools do not accomplish this successfully.
[05:00] <_abbenormal> where is the log for startx at
[05:01] <nemik> i'm trying to install smstools, but get compile error 2 when i do "make -s" as the instructions say. i don't know what i'm doing wrong
[05:01] <Chamlap`> but will XShm still use my gfx card for acceleration?  I thought only xv does that
[05:01] <g14> nemik: It probably says something about a missing dependency up a few lines. Try to find that
[05:01] <kestas> Chamlap`: try gl
[05:01] <kestas> or gl2
[05:01] <kestas> theyll use you graphics card
[05:02] <nemik> extras.o error 127...could be it
[05:02] <Chamlap`> yeah, XShm froze it also..time for the next one
[05:02] <avc> can anyone help me with sound configuration?
[05:02] <Razor-X> tremere: i'm pretty sure PengAOL only works with modems
[05:02] <g14> nemik: It will say something missing look for the word missing
[05:02] <Razor-X> and, by saying PPP, i'm assuming you have ethernet
[05:02] <Razor-X> *dialing modems
[05:03] <nemik> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/comm/smstools so i'm missing libc6?
[05:04] <g14> tremere: Pengy Sucks, use AOL Dialer http://www.linspire.com/aoldialer download the source at www.linspire.com/dialersource
[05:04] <nemik> no it doesn't say anything with 'missing'
[05:04] <g14> nemik: What about something -dev or -devel. There is a 90% chance that you are missing some development library unless it is an error in the source which I doubt
[05:04] <tremere> g14 thank you :)
[05:04] <_abbenormal> james may i pm you
[05:04] <nemik> since its in hoary universe, can i do that apt-get i've been hearing so much about?
[05:04] <john__> trying to get netapplet to work. I installed and can't find. I found this message in the help: netapplet will cause the notification area applet to appear; if you're
[05:04] <john__> using GNOME then you'll need to add a notification area to the panel. What does this mean?
[05:05] <kestas> john__: system tray
[05:05] <_abbenormal> james_ may i pm you
[05:05] <eater773> nickrud-> just follow instruction... it automatically reload the synaptic package.... then what now... can i use apt-get -install
[05:05] <john__> kestas: what about the system tray?
[05:05] <kestas> notification area aka system tray
[05:06] <|JE55E|> I have posted my modem problem to #|JE55E| if someone would be so kind as to take a look
[05:06] <nemik> g14: make[1] : cc: Command not found
[05:06] <g14> nemik: Thats easy
[05:06] <Seq> can anybody help me in renaming my network interfaces? I have e100 in my /etc/modules, and dmesg says it loads first, but it is still eth1 after my wireless (ipw2100 at eth0)
[05:06] <john__> kestas: so how do I add a notification area to the panel? I still don't get it...
[05:06] <g14> nemik: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:06] <Chamlap`> kestas: didn't work on any of them.  Could it be because my desktop is at 32 bit and the video is trying to play at 24?
[05:06] <Seq> i could do ifrename myself, i'm just curious if anybody knows why the naming is like this as it is
[05:06] <nemik> cool, thank you
[05:06] <kestas> john__: you probably already have a notification area
[05:06] <kestas> Chamlap`: well you cant be at 32 bit, 24 is the max
[05:06] <g14> nemik: smstools is in universe, I just searched for it myself
[05:07] <kestas> Chamlap`: try it at a lower res or with a different video
[05:07] <john__> kestas: so how do I find netapplet then? I don't see it in the system tray
[05:07] <nemik> yes i saw that too, so there is an easier way to install things from universe?
[05:07] <nemik> does it automatically get all the dependencies as well?
[05:07] <kestas> john__: have you started netapplet?
[05:08] <john__> kestas: I thought it started automatically on reboot. In any case, I don't seem to know how to start it.   Thanks for all the help tonight guys.  I'm really liking Gentoo and Ubuntu..really clean :)
[05:12] <thr1ce> you like ubuntu now, and gentoo next week when it's done installing?
[05:12] <nemik> no i really like ubuntu, i was just giving tremere advice where to get linspire for free
[05:12] <Madpilot> Razor-X: Great link. knew that had to be in a FAQ somewhere...
[05:12] <nemik> so how would i install something in universe?
[05:12] <IIIEARS> << Grateful Linspire didn't work :P
[05:13] <tvon> Anyone with an up-to-date breezy?  I'm having a strange problem with keybindings being all out-of-whack in gnome (only for some apps).
[05:13] <Razor-X> Madpilot: heh
[05:13] <tvon> Anyone else with the same problem?
[05:13] <Chamlap`> err..I meant to say Debian (I think that's what Ubuntu is based off) not Gentoo :) or vice versa..whatever, thanks guys :)
[05:13] <capi> how do I symlink a file? Is that `ln -s original.txt symlink.txt' ?
[05:13] <Razor-X> officially in my bookmarks now ;)
[05:13] <tvon> capi: yes
[05:13] <thr1ce> nemik,  sudo apt-get install <app> after you update your repositories
[05:13] <|JE55E|> I really need to get this dialup working, surely someone can shed some light on it? Full problem posted to #|JE55E|
[05:14] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to map the FN keys on laptops ?     i need a few of the functions
[05:14] <Madpilot> speaking of FAQs: does anyone have a good intro to the Linux command line?  This is proving to be an impossible limitation.
[05:17] <tvon> Madpilot: "Linux in a Nutshell" is a good book if you want to go that route
[05:17] <g14> IIIEARS: The Linspire AOLDialer works fine in ubuntu
[05:17] <g14> IIIEARS: It is gpl and I gave a link to the source download
[05:17] <IIIEARS> gl4 - do you have a link? (for my mother. - lol)
[05:17] <nemik> thr1ce, i uncommented the lines, if i do ^X will it save and exit?
[05:18] <Madpilot> tvon: that's the OReilly book? Good, I'll look for it.
[05:18] <|JE55E|> Just in case anyone is confused. I am NOT on AOL, normal PAP isp.
[05:18] <tvon> Madpilot: yup
[05:18] <pppoe_dude> hi
[05:18] <nickrud> |JE55E|, if dialup works in windows, it will work in ubuntu
[05:18] <IIIEARS> never mind got it
[05:18] <Madpilot> I really like O'Reilly's stuff. Have a couple of their HTML/CSS/PHP books.
[05:18] <thr1ce> in pico, ^o to write out, I Think
[05:18] <thr1ce> then control x
[05:18] <|JE55E|> nickrud, sound great in theory. not happening in practice
[05:18] <nemik> ahh thanks again
[05:18] <g14> IIIEARS: It is packaged for linspire via the click and run crap. You can download and install the source if you want though via the normal ./configure && make && checkinstall -D
[05:18] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I jumped int late so, can I help
[05:18] <pppoe_dude> is there a way to prolong the time period that the harddisk turns off in Ubuntu (on a laptop)? i keep hearing it spin up every few seconds... i dont think its good for the harddisk
[05:19] <|JE55E|> cheers nickrud. have posted full problem to #|JE55E|
[05:19] <IIIEARS> Heh - isn't Open source wonderful!
[05:19] <thr1ce> man, I want breezy fonts in hoary
[05:19] <Razor-X> i'm pretty sure he didn't understand what source was
[05:19] <Razor-X> I mean, someone who complains about paying for AOL.....
[05:19] <g14> Yeah I agree
[05:19] <thr1ce> use windows, it's easier
[05:19] <thr1ce> :)
[05:19] <g14> If hes going to be an ass then he doesn't deserve any help
[05:20] <Razor-X> so, he just skipped over source
[05:20] <_abbenormal> what is needed to make xfce4 work on a laptop
[05:20] <|JE55E|> nickrud, I get errors in /var/log/messages and modem hangs up.
[05:20] <thr1ce> xfce packages probably
[05:20] <thr1ce> a few libs
[05:20] <IIIEARS> lol - Windows connect, reinstall, connect, reinstall - lol
[05:20] <thr1ce> ask apt
[05:20] <|JE55E|> nicrud, seemingly error is: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
[05:20] <nickrud> |JE55E|, did you use pppconfig to enable ppp?
[05:20] <_abbenormal> where to go for help and setup ? on xfce4
[05:21] <g14> _abbenormal: The xfce4 forums would be the best place
[05:21] <_abbenormal> is there a irc channel for it
[05:21] <|JE55E|> I have tried with ppconfig/pon and the gui
[05:21] <thr1ce> _abbenormal, just do sudo apt-get install xfce, see what it says
[05:21] <_abbenormal> its installed now
[05:21] <pppoe_dude> is there a way to stop the constant spin-up/down of the harddisk in laptop-mode without switching laptop-mode off?
[05:21] <thr1ce> ok, log out, click on sessions, choose xfce, and login :)
[05:21] <_abbenormal> got everything for it i think but it wont start
[05:21] <nickrud> |JE55E|, paste in pastebin.com lspci
[05:22] <g14> lspci -vv
[05:22] <tng_hayden> would having gdm as the login manager (without having gnome installed) slow the use of xfce4 down as compared with xdm?
[05:22] <_abbenormal> no desktop on this setup have been running from command line only
[05:22] <nemik> thr1ce, i did what you said with apt-get install smstools from root terminal and looks like it worked. but where can i now find the program?
[05:22] <g14> _abbenormal: /join #xfce
[05:22] <_abbenormal> ok
[05:22] <thr1ce> nemik, i'm not sure what smstools are :(
[05:23] <|JE55E|> nickrud, what is pastebin.com?
[05:23] <g14> nemik: dpkg -L smstools | grep bin
[05:23] <_abbenormal> thanks
[05:23] <nickrud> |JE55E|, it
[05:23] <nemik> thr1ce, it is an app to recieve and send SMS (text messages) via a phone hooked up to the terminal from a serial connection
[05:24] <nickrud> is a url you can paste text to. that i can see
[05:24] <thr1ce> nemik, sudo updatedb, then locate sms
[05:24] <nickrud> |JE55E|, without annoying the other people on this channel
[05:25] <mike_douglas> who broke breezy? ;)
[05:25] <IIIEARS> G'nite dabaSSlon_slp
[05:25] <tvon> mike_douglas: keybinding issues?
[05:26] <brazmetal> I does anyone use muse ?
[05:26] <mike_douglas> xserver font issues
[05:26] <tvon> mike_douglas: ah, damn
[05:26] <tvon> mike_douglas: oh, can't find fixed?
[05:26] <mike_douglas> thats it
[05:26] <nemik> thr1ce: did sudo updatedb, computer churned for a bit and then back to root prompt thing. nowhere to locate sms on
[05:27] <thr1ce> locate sms returns nothing?!
[05:27] <thr1ce> brb
[05:27] <nemik> sorry if i'm pesting, just new to this
[05:27] <tvon> mike_douglas: font paths changed
[05:27] <IIIEARS> Muse server for streaming radio. FREE??! - wow
[05:27] <brazmetal> yes
[05:27] <tvon> mike_douglas: from /usr/lib/X11.. to /usr/share/X11...
[05:28] <brazmetal> IIIEARS,  do you use?
[05:28] <mike_douglas> tvon: thanks, i'll give that a try
[05:28] <nemik> thr1ce: oooohhhh locate sms is a command...ok yea i did that and a LOT of files returned....
[05:28] <IIIEARS> no - give me an hour or two - lol
[05:28] <brazmetal> ehehehee
[05:28] <tvon> mike_douglas: np
[05:30] <|JE55E|> nickrud, sorry ubuntu system just crashed. restarting now and will post in pastebin "lspci -vv" under name JE55E
[05:31] <nickrud> |JE55E|, after you paste it there will be an address yo can give me
[05:31] <metalsand> Hey nickrud, haven't seen you for a while :)
[05:31] <mike_douglas> I thought a modular X11 wasn't due for a while, is this a prerelease or just partially modular?
[05:31] <nickrud> metalsand, I was in a blackout for a while :)
[05:32] <Amaranth> mike_douglas: This is X11R7 pre
[05:33] <mike_douglas> yeah, that makes sense
[05:35] <Boricua540> with the new distro what version of KDE comes with it?
[05:35] <mike_douglas> off to Return of the Sith, bye all
[05:35] <jsgotangco> you mean Revenge
[05:36] <geneo93> 3.4
[05:36] <Boricua540> ahhh ok..I had 3.2 with Suse.  I am very impressed with Ubuntu
[05:37] <robertj> Good movie, but not quite Starwars...
[05:37] <|JE55E|> nickrud, heres the problem in pastebin http://pastebin.com/286819
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> not quite Starwars?
[05:37] <|JE55E|> nickrud, let me know if that works. and I will next paste the hardware
[05:38] <geneo93> just do apt-get install kde
[05:38] <robertj> I don't want to spoil it for people who haven't seen, but it loses itself and is at times contradictory
[05:38] <Boricua540> I just installed the newest distro of Ubuntu.. and the KDE package. Its very nice
[05:38] <Boricua540> very clean
[05:38] <robertj> both the Jedi and the Sith make snide comments about the other side being moral relativists
[05:39] <kestas> does anyone die?
[05:39] <killapop> :))
[05:39] <robertj> kestas: unfortuantely Jar Jar does not
[05:39] <killapop> haha
[05:39] <|JE55E|> If I replace my graphics card in ubuntu, will it automatically detect the new one?
[05:39] <kestas> aww :(
[05:39] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I'll be honest, I've never seen that sequence.
[05:39] <kestas> thats the ultimate spoiler
[05:39] <kestas> now Ill never watch it
[05:39] <kestas> bah
[05:40] <Boricua540> Jesse I would have to say yes.. It picked up my Jumpdrive memory stick with no problems.. so I am sure they will cover video cards
[05:40] <|JE55E|> nicrud, It seems to detect and use the modem ok. Do you want my chat scipts etc?
[05:41] <|JE55E|> Boricua540, ta, coz mine screen keeps doing strange things and slowing to a crawl, so I think could be video card
[05:41] <nickrud> the LCP timeout is provactive, yeah, chat is seem ok (you get dialed in) but who is your isp?
[05:41] <Boricua540> <--- Ubuntu with dual boot xp
[05:42] <Boricua540> never use xp tho
[05:42] <Buuyo^> How do I create a bridge with 'interfaces' that has no ip address, just two network cards? I didn't recognize anything in man interfaces that could help me.
[05:43] <Buuyo^> I'd like to avoid making a startup script /just/ for this if possible.
[05:43] <kestas> Buuyo^: google brctl
[05:43] <Buuyo^> I understand how to create a bridge with brctl.
[05:43] <|JE55E|> nickrud, my isp is iiNet in Australia. However, I have also tried connecting to a windows RAS server, and get the exact same error
[05:43] <Buuyo^> I just want to do it the interfaces high-level way.
[05:43] <kestas> whats the interfaces high level way?
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> Buuyo^: I'm not sure there is one
[05:44] <Buuyo^> /etc/network/interfaces preferably.
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> a bridge is a nontrivial thing
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> that most people would never need to do
[05:44] <Boricua540> I find my Ubuntu is like hanging up during operation. It only last like one second and then normal operation.. anyone had this happen.? Running Laptop
[05:44] <nicc> anyone is using breezy?
[05:44] <kestas> HrdwrBoB: its damn trivial usually
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> kestas: nontrivial concept
[05:44] <kestas> HrdwrBoB: its hardest on linux, on *bsd and windows its just a click/sysctl change
[05:44] <nemik> so i'm installing all these utilities from apt-get install but don't know where any of them go or how i can run them....
[05:45] <kestas> HrdwrBoB: forwarding all packets to the other inteface?
[05:45] <elcu> nicc: i would guess not many ... see the channel topic
[05:46] <kestas> nemik: go into synaptic, right click on the installed package and take a look at the installed files
[05:46] <nicc> elcu, why, is there a problem with it?
[05:46] <nemik> kestas: ok thanks
[05:46] <nickrud> |JE55E|, ok, this is a bit bigger than I can chew, pppconfig has never failed me, (US), so, hang in there, ask again.
[05:46] <kestas> Boricua540: its a power management issure
[05:47] <Boricua540> really?
[05:47] <kestas> Boricua540: if you turn off power management in your bios it will stop
[05:47] <Boricua540> ahhh
[05:47] <Boricua540> thanks
[05:47] <Boricua540> brb... going to take care of that right now
[05:47] <|JE55E|> nickrud, heres the lspci in pastebin http://pastebin.com/286828
[05:48] <Buuyo^> Thanks guys. I'll just whip some script up to do the bridge thing. :/
[05:49] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I'm reading your log as a modem that is actually working, and the lspci was to look for a winmodem that doesn't. Like I said, ask for more competent help
[05:50] <|JE55E|> nickrud, Thanks for trying :-/
[05:50] <nickrud> |JE55E|, I shoot for 60%
[05:50] <|JE55E|> It doesnt make a lot of sense to me either :-(
[05:51] <|JE55E|> Anyone else here able to help diagnose a dialup problem with a modem (not winmodem) that is giving error "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests"?
[05:52] <kestas> what do you do if youve got a movie which has the sound out of sync?
[05:53] <|JE55E|> kestas, redub it
[05:53] <nickrud> kestas, buy a faster computer :)
[05:53] <johsep> hola a todos
[05:53] <kestas> nickrud: my comp is fast enough, and it doesnt even use 10% of the processor when its playing
[05:54] <kestas> |JE55E|: its a quicktime movie, what software should I use?
[05:54] <psychonate> What's a good app for viewing manny pictures?
[05:54] <kestas> gthumb
[05:54] <Quequeg> s/its/it's/     it's = it is
[05:54] <nickrud> kestas, heh
[05:54] <Choubaka> kestas: check what video driver it's using.
[05:54] <Choubaka> and sound driver.
[05:54] <kestas> Choubaka: two of the four animatrix movies I downloaded were perfectly in sync, only the other two arent
[05:54] <Choubaka> if it's mplayer, use xv and  sdl.
[05:54] <kestas> Choubaka: its a problem with the movie, not my player
[05:54] <elcu> psychonate: i use gqview
[05:55] <Choubaka> hmm.
[05:55] <Choubaka> I don't think there's much you can do then.
[05:55] <Quequeg> psychonate, I second gqview for gnome
[05:55] <kestas> I could always rent the dvd and rip it myself but Im lazy
[05:55] <kestas> and cheap
[05:55] <kestas> arghh there must be something
[05:55] <tsume> hehe
[05:55] <tsume> kestas: what, when theres are plenty of newsgroups out there?
[05:56] <Boricua540> well I think that did it
[05:56] <|JE55E|> kestas, There is an article in latest APC mag which explains how to redub an out of sync movie using: VirtuaDub, VirtualDubMod and Inmatrix Zoom Player. There must be similar for linux?
[05:56] <kestas> tsume: Im cheap, cant afford a good newsgroups provider
[05:56] <Boricua540> thanks for the advice
[05:56] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[05:56] <tsume> kestas: there are free readable ones out there
[05:56] <g14> psychonate: If you don't mind installing mono, try f-spot. I really like it
[05:56] <Choubaka> Kino _might_ be able to do it.
[05:56] <kestas> |JE55E|: but would they work for .mov? I think theyre for avi and mpg and vob
[05:56] <tsume> kestas: with *warez, *moviez, etc
[05:56] <Choubaka> kestas: convert to avi :P
[05:56] <Choubaka> or rather, mpg4
[05:56] <nickrud> the useful newsgroups are on gmane.org
[05:56] <Choubaka> mpeg*
[05:56] <kestas> tsume: yeah but what provider to you use?
[05:56] <tsume> g14: mono is a parasite
[05:56] <nemik> kestas: i tried it and installed smstools again but nothing, still can't find it when i go to run programs
[05:57] <Boricua540> now my box is running like a champ!
[05:57] <tsume> kestas: open proxy newsgroup servers
[05:57] <kestas> Boricua540: the problem comes when you want power management features
[05:57] <|JE55E|> kestas, http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/guides.html
[05:57] <nickrud> tsume, I'm kinda looking towards mono, why is it a parasite?
[05:57] <blaylock> is there a way to create .dep packages from tar.gz?
[05:57] <tsume> nickrud: the users are morons
[05:57] <blaylock> err
[05:57] <blaylock> .deb
[05:57] <|JE55E|> I dont know if it would do mov or not
[05:58] <Boricua540> ahh now it is quiet and running very nice
[05:58] <Kevin> hi I desperately need help, I just recently installed Ubunutu, and i need to know how to access my other partitions with information
[05:58] <tsume> nickrud: anyone not in thier ring of GTK# are thier enemies
[05:58] <Boricua540> thank you kestas
[05:58] <Kevin> One is NTFS and other is FAT32
[05:58] <kestas> np
[05:58] <Choubaka> blaylock: depends whether the .tar.gz is a package or not.
[05:58] <tsume> kestas: http://freenews.maxbaud.net/ <-- when its back up from its updating
[05:58] <blaylock> Kevin, mount /dev/<device> /mnt/<mount point>
[05:58] <tsume> kestas: search open newsgroup servers
[05:58] <Quequeg> Kevin, NTFS will be read only, FYI
[05:58] <|JE55E|> Anyone else here able to help diagnose a dialup problem with a modem (not winmodem) that is giving error "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests"?
[05:58] <Kevin> ok
[05:58] <kestas> hmm okay thanks tusme
[05:58] <kestas> *tsume
[05:58] <blaylock> Choubaka, well its source
[05:58] <Boricua540> I have to say Ubuntu is very impressive.. very clean and great eye candy
[05:58] <Choubaka> you can always debianise sources. but it requires some rtfm:ing.
[05:59] <tsume> kestas: its what to use when you need a fast newsgroup server
[05:59] <nickrud> tsume, it that a judgment on the devlopers or the product?
[05:59] <Kevin> can u explain to me mount /dev/<device> /mnt/<mount point>
[05:59] <blaylock> Choubaka, thats what i figured
[05:59] <tsume> nickrud: 99.9% of the users of the community
[05:59] <elcu> Kevin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:59] <Choubaka> or you can take the quick and dirty way and use checkinstall
[05:59] <Jeezis> is there a driver for the ati radeon 320m?
[05:59] <blaylock> Choubaka, i was just being impatiant
[05:59] <elcu> Kevin: or http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs if you want to autmount on bootup
[05:59] <Kevin> ok I'll check it
[05:59] <tsume> nickrud: join #mono on GimpNET and ask about using wx with mono, you get trolled, then kb'ed
[05:59] <blaylock> impatient
[05:59] <kestas> Jeezis: probably flgrx
[05:59] <blaylock> geez
[05:59] <elcu> Kevin: there's instructions for FAT as well
[06:00] <Choubaka> blaylock: checkinstall won't handle dependencies or anything but it makes it easy to remove the software
[06:00] <tsume> nickrud: Theres no real productive point in mono except for windows people to leech off linux through ASP
[06:00] <Jeezis> kestas, thanks, i'll give it a try
[06:00] <eater773> see ya latter guys...
[06:00] <geneo93> |JE55E|:  try the pppconfig
[06:00] <Quequeg> tsume, to be fair, much of the effort behind mono is lower-level, or web-based (aspx), so that's only at the desktop app level.
[06:00] <timeless_> how can i get msn on ubuntu
[06:00] <elcu> timeless_: GAIM
[06:00] <timeless_> msn messanger
[06:00] <Boricua540> Has anyone ran Fluxbox with Ubuntu.. and if so, what is your opinion on Flux.. I like KDE but I keep seeing Flux
[06:00] <tsume> nickrud: You might want to check python or perl for dynamic language
[06:00] <Jeezis> timeless_: gaim has an msn option
[06:00] <timeless_> yeah
[06:00] <psychonate> hey, PornView is fantastic
[06:01] <|JE55E|> geneo93, thats using pppconfig as well
[06:01] <tsume> Quequeg: the person who worked on wxNET was one of the trolls
[06:01] <Jeezis> timeless_: i'm sure microsuck has a linux client out somewhere
[06:01] <tsume> Quequeg: I don't think that was the exact area of focus for mono. Application support is a must.
[06:01] <|JE55E|> well at least I can use my dialup in microsuck
[06:01] <Choubaka> Boricua540: if you like KDE, Flux might not suit your tastes. Unless you like both windowsines and minimalisticity.
[06:01] <tsume> wxWidgets is still the best, mostly because it has a thing called "options" :)
[06:02] <Choubaka> ness*
[06:02] <geneo93> what setting do u use
[06:02] <elcu> |JE55E|: you could try using wvdial
[06:02] <Lafitte-> problem not dial up   problem  is AOL sucks
[06:02] <tsume> |JE55E|: some soft modems require the software modem daemon for linux ;)
[06:02] <Quequeg> tsume, well, there are multiple areas of focus.  For desktop apps, they have punted to GTK/Gnome, granted.  And I don't blame them, really.  But there are many other uses.  My complaint is lack of full/decent support for databases like oracle, etc..
[06:02] <Boricua540> ahh I like the transparency.. I dont like the terminal that came with Ubuntu.. I want a terminal I can completely transparent.. no borders..no menu... just a clear window
[06:02] <tsume>  smdaemon or something similar I think its named.
[06:02] <nickrud> tsume, damn.
[06:02] <blaylock> Boricua540,  flux is really lightweight
[06:02] <Choubaka> Boricua540: Flux doesn't offer you anything else but a light, fast and customisable window managers.
[06:03] <blaylock> Boricua540,  so like when you have slow proc or limited mem
[06:03] <|JE55E|> elcu, How do I go about using wvdial
[06:03] <Choubaka> Boricua540: "Terminal" can do that
[06:03] <|JE55E|> tsume, it is an old external hardware modem
[06:03] <Boricua540> terminal.. let me see if I have it
[06:03] <geneo93> |JE55E|:  have you tried kppp
[06:03] <Boricua540> I do
[06:03] <tsume> Quazion: heh, which could be solved by using wxNET, I'm sure wxWidgets's wxODBC can use any database which has ODBC plugin functionality. I tried explaining something so simple to those people, and get trolled for it.
[06:03] <bunje> anyone know why applications:/// doesnt seem to work in nautilus?  cuz the docs say it should.
[06:04] <elcu> |JE55E|: it should be installed in hoary by default.  check out: /usr/share/doc/wvdial/README.gz
[06:04] <tsume> |JE55E|: ohh, then its Hayes Compat, should work out of box.
[06:04] <|JE55E|> geneo93, nope, how in ubuntu, do I need to install all the kde crap?
[06:04] <Boricua540> but every time I open it up.. I get the transparent workspace but a taskbar too
[06:04] <Boricua540> kconsole was nice..
[06:04] <Boricua540> but I dont see it
[06:04] <Choubaka> Boricua540: Terminal is in the package "xterminal"
[06:04] <geneo93> well just the network part
[06:04] <Choubaka> Boricua540: you need to change the settings
[06:05] <geneo93> and a few libs
[06:05] <geneo93> kde in ubuntu is exellent
[06:05] <brazmetal> hey
[06:05] <tsume> geneo93: its still a memory hog :/
[06:05] <brazmetal> a question
[06:05] <tsume> geneo93: bogs down my vmware instance :(
[06:06] <Boricua540> thanks Choubaka
[06:06] <Choubaka> gah.
[06:06] <Boricua540> brb
[06:06] <Choubaka> What will happen to a completely borderless terminal when you have true transparency and hover it over another terminal? :D
[06:06] <geneo93> tsume buy more memory
[06:06] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to make the FN special buttons work on laptops ?
[06:06] <elcu> brazmetal: no need for foreplay, just ask :-)
[06:07] <sgtkernel> hey guys, what repository can I use to get libdvdread2 so i can install transcode?
[06:07] <geneo93> and dont use windows crap in linux
[06:07] <Lafitte-> this funny    here is an apt file libisajet758-dev - [Physics]  Monte Carlo generator for proton/electron reactions
[06:07] <tsume> geneo93: its a laptop, I'm trying to earn the monry first ;)
[06:08] <tritium> Lafitte-, funny how?
[06:08] <tsume> geneo93: I've to be careful what I spend where. I balance everything to last penny
[06:08] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  should be in universe
[06:08] <sgtkernel> geneo93, do you know of a good native program that will let me shrink a dual-layer dvd to single-layer size complete with menus and multiple features and such?
[06:08] <Lafitte-> Trickyphillips,  debian package   for rockt science    rofl   funny
[06:08] <sgtkernel> geneo93, seperate questions...
[06:08] <Lafitte-> tritium, thats how its funny
[06:08] <tsume> oops, I forgot to read troll dot today
[06:09] <geneo93> dvdrip
[06:09] <sgtkernel> geneo93, but anyhow, the transcode deal errors out with:
[06:09] <paulproteus> Lafitte-: What laptop?
[06:09] <sgtkernel> transcode: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20041227-woody0.1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:09] <sgtkernel>              Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[06:09] <sgtkernel>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[06:09] <paulproteus> My Fn button works out of the box.
[06:09] <Lafitte-> tritium,  paulproteus  asusm5n
[06:09] <tritium> Lafitte-, scientific computing is funny?  That's a strange idea to me...
[06:09] <kestas> tritium is a serious rocket scientist Lafitte-
[06:09] <Choubaka> eerr? woody?
[06:09] <crimsun_> yeah, don't mess with my thesis topic!
[06:09] <sgtkernel> geneo93, dvdrip seems to only want to output in mpg/avi/vcd/etc. not a dvd filesystem
[06:09] <crimsun_> ^5 tritium
[06:09] <RichardC> hey
[06:09] <tritium> crimsun_, hey there!
[06:10] <nickrud> we always bow to the academics among us ;P
[06:10] <tng_hayden> what is an easy to configure ftp server
[06:10] <Lafitte-> paulproteus,  what laptop you have ?
[06:10] <crimsun_> tng_hayden: vsftpd
[06:10] <Lafitte-> paulproteus,  i dont mean f-keys   the blue FN button  ??
[06:10] <RichardC> im very new to ubuntu, as well as debian, and i was wondering how to update the... package list (?), so that i can download stuff that isnt listed, such as zsnes or firefox v1.0.4
[06:10] <kestas> what is funny is that someone would be doing computationally intensive tasks on ubuntu
[06:10] <sgtkernel> i've got the same repositories recommended at ubuntuguide.org ....and i'm just doing 'apt-get install transcode'
[06:11] <tng_hayden> crimsun_: thats not easy to setup
[06:11] <crimsun_> kestas: why not? It works great as a management node
[06:11] <tritium> kestas, I do it all the time
[06:11] <Lafitte-> RichardC,    goto ubuntuguide.org  and read how to add those in
[06:11] <elcu> RichardC: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:11] <geneo93> sgtkernel: Video-DVDRip is the one i used
[06:11] <nickrud> RichardC, the debian way is to never change the stable realease number.
[06:11] <metalsand> Anyone good with HTML that could help me out real quick?
[06:11] <metalsand> I know it's not specific to Ubuntu.
[06:11] <crimsun_> tng_hayden: tried proftpd? Really, vsftpd is straightforward.
[06:11] <kestas> tritium: why ubuntu though? surely youre wasting processor cycles on gnome kruft
[06:11] <sgtkernel> geneo93, does it keep the menus, and can it create multi-feature filesystems?
[06:12] <RichardC> metalsand: i can try
[06:12] <metalsand> I just needt o align some images: I sliced 'em up in Photopshop so I could link to two specific images www.zebrasoncrack.com/images
[06:12] <kestas> and memory on cupsd
[06:12] <kestas> etc
[06:12] <nickrud> firefox will never change beyond 1.0.2, but the security stuff will be added ti 1.0.2, in security releases
[06:12] <metalsand> Zebra is what it's supposed to look like, the other slices are the numbered ones, RichardC
[06:12] <Choubaka> kestas: not like you _have_ to use all that stuff.
[06:12] <JDahl> kestas, that amount of cycles is dwarfed compared to doing heavy number-crunching
[06:12] <Kevin> once i mount those drives where do i goto access them?
[06:12] <tng_hayden> crimsun_: tried both, documentation is hard to understand
[06:12] <Choubaka> I don't use gnome for one.
[06:12] <jiyuu0> sgtkernel, transcode
[06:12] <jiyuu0> sudo apt-get -t testing install transcode
[06:12] <jiyuu0> sudo apt-get install dvdrip
[06:13] <RichardC> also, how do i update my video card drivers?
[06:13] <sgtkernel> k
[06:13] <kestas> JDahl: dwarfed but you would still be better off in a terminal which doesnt need any processor wastage, and memory usage is usually the real issue for these types of things
[06:13] <elcu> Kevin: they should be in  /media  you can use nautilus or a terminal if you prefer that way.
[06:13] <sgtkernel> sweet
[06:13] <CarlK> RichardC - nvidia?
[06:13] <JDahl> kestas, (although, the first thing I do is to remove the 3d screensaver)
[06:13] <tng_hayden> crimsun_: all i wanted to do is share my /var/www
[06:13] <tritium> kestas, a terminal is not enough for me.  I also need visualization.
[06:13] <Kevin> good bless you all
[06:13] <kestas> they usually love their memory, and ubuntu has cupsd, all sorts of useless kernel modules, and gnome
[06:14] <Kevin> i had some very important documents that i need tonight
[06:14] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  never used it that way just riped dvds and put them on cds
[06:14] <Kevin> thank you very much for the help and now i can see my self using linux
[06:14] <IIIEARS> Many Thanks to the developers of Ubuntu
[06:14] <RichardC> CarlK: ati
[06:14] <JairunCaloth> I love Ubuntu, it's responsible for me switching to linux
[06:14] <elcu> Kevin: good luck!
[06:15] <IIIEARS> "Kudos" to Ubunto! - grin
[06:15] <metalsand> RichardC, any idea?
[06:15] <kestas> tritium: so do you not compile scientific apps yourself?
[06:15] <tritium> Kevin, that's outstanding!
[06:15] <JairunCaloth> I've installed redhat a couple of times on my system, and I've never done more than tinker with it
[06:15] <tritium> kestas, sure, I do.
[06:15] <CarlK> RichardC - rats.  I am somewhat familiar with the nv stuff, I should check out the ATI stuff considering I have more ATI than nv..
[06:15] <RichardC> metalsand: opening many pages on dialup, very slow
[06:15] <JairunCaloth> I installed Ubuntu, and a week later I wiped windows, and put ubuntu on my big drive
[06:15] <kestas> tritium: then why do you need the packages in synaptic, which are built for 386 with conservative CFLAGS?
[06:16] <tritium> kestas, I write most of my simulation/analysis code
[06:16] <elcu> JairunCaloth: personally, i keep windows only for games.
[06:16] <jiyuu0> JairunCaloth, good to hear that
[06:16] <crimsun_> tng_hayden: have you looked at EXAMPLES?
[06:16] <JairunCaloth> If I can get SWG running under Cedega, I won't need to install windoze
[06:16] <IIIEARS> Jairun - Fedora - lol - 4 CDs or one huge DVD an hour long install - and i still end up tweaking my video settings in CLI - rofl
[06:16] <jason_> it was amazing how broke hoary was until the release date and then there have been 7 updates since
[06:16] <JDahl> kestas, stock architecture optimized ATLAS which is at the heart of most number crunchers is very fast, even if you dont compile it yourself
[06:16] <Kevin> how come i cannot play the mp3s
[06:17] <JairunCaloth> I have the fedora DVD, never got around to installing it
[06:17] <Choubaka> I _can't_ install Windows.. :D
[06:17] <bob2_> Kevin: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:17] <Choubaka> The only OS that installs on this machine is Debian.
[06:17] <ReleaseX> hello all
[06:17] <geargolem> hello fellow ubuntusers
[06:17] <JairunCaloth> I had annother distro ISO, but i think I forgot to burn it before I wipped windows
[06:17] <nickrud> Choubaka, you have a veryk dicerning machine
[06:17] <IIIEARS> Hi ReleaseX
[06:17] <tritium> hello geargolem
[06:18] <geneo93> Kevin:  you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:18] <Choubaka> To which I did tricks and transformed it into Ubuntu
[06:18] <geargolem> how is everybody?
[06:18] <Choubaka> nickrud: I need a new one -_-
[06:18] <JDahl> kestas, besides when you're doing number crunching petty things CFLAG are utterly irrelevant - it all comes down to good algorithms (and lots of memory)
[06:18] <nickrud> Choubaka, I had a guy with no cdrom, can he go from woody floppies to ubuntu somehow?
[06:18] <Choubaka> yes.
[06:18] <nickrud> ah,
[06:18] <nickrud> how?
[06:19] <jason_> gstreamer has been in a dependency confict for 3 weeks on this box
[06:19] <kestas> JDahl: thats what I said earlier; then why would you be number crunching in ubuntu with all its superflous kernel modules, daemons and gnome?
[06:19] <blaylock> man i love synaptic
[06:19] <blaylock> better than yum
[06:19] <bob2_> jason_: it's fine on hoary
[06:19] <IIIEARS> JDahl - are you computing the american national deficit? - you are going to need a more powerful machine.
[06:19] <jason_> im running hoary
[06:19] <Choubaka> Just install the most basic woody (don't do base-config), change sources to ubuntu, install synaptic, do dist-upgrade, and run base-config
[06:19] <jason_> do I need to chang my repository
[06:19] <bob2_> jason_: you must have packages from somewhere else or something then
[06:19] <Kevin> If something freezes like XMMS because u played mp3 with the wrong plugin, how would u force close it
[06:20] <tritium> kestas, you don't typically load all the modules ;)
[06:20] <bob2_> hah
[06:20] <bob2_> I can do that myself you know ;)
[06:20] <Choubaka> Kevin: kill `pidof xmms`
[06:20] <nickrud> Choubaka, thanks, if he ever shows again :)
[06:20] <crimsun_> bob2_: of course :)
[06:20] <kestas> tritium: they load themselves, and sure you can unload them or disable them, but then why are you using ubuntu if youre going to disable everything?
[06:21] <Kevin> yep worked thanks
[06:21] <tritium> kestas, I still like a nice desktop, especially one based on debian, and as well-done as ubuntu
[06:21] <seth_> Hello kestas. How are you tonight?
[06:21] <jason_> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:21] <jason_> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:21] <jason_>   gstreamer0.8-faad
[06:21] <kestas> tritium: so you can browse the web while running a protein folding simulation?!
[06:21] <kestas> seth_: howdy
[06:21] <kestas> seth_: hows the laptop?
[06:22] <atm> hi all
[06:22] <IIIEARS> crimsun - what is Fluenda?
[06:22] <elcu> Kevin: change the output plugin to eSound.  also check out beep-media-player.  it's a nicer version of XMMS IMO
[06:22] <atm> ubuntu live cd = no worky
[06:22] <kestas> seth_: xmms skipped yet?
[06:22] <geargolem> I am trying to get horgand to work but I need to $modprobe sen-seq
[06:22] <Lafitte-> atm,  what ya mean ?
[06:23] <geargolem> form where do I use that command?
[06:23] <nickrud> Hmm, Choubaka I'll have to read into your shorthand, but thainks agin
[06:23] <crimsun_> IIIEARS: come again?
[06:23] <whyameye> is it possible to install .deb packages and if so, how do you do it?
[06:23] <tritium> kestas, let's just leave it at my preference.
[06:23] <atm> it fails when booting the kernel. if i am using the USB mouse, it fails at mouse init. if ps2 mouse, it hangs on some ata1 timeout
[06:23] <tritium> whyameye, absolutely :)
[06:23] <Lafitte-> atm,  wow    thats harsh
[06:23] <tritium> whyameye, preferably ubuntu packages.  What are you hoping to install?
[06:24] <IIIEARS> Just read an article on "Totem" - they supported devekopment for it.
[06:24] <bob2_> IIIEARS: you mean Fluendo?
[06:24] <bob2_> IIIEARS: it's a spanish company working on gstreamer-related stuff
[06:24] <IIIEARS> geez eye stile canned spall....
[06:24] <IIIEARS> Yes
[06:24] <atm> any ideas?
[06:24] <geargolem> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[06:24] <whyameye> tritium: I was giving GTKWifi a shot. I'd like to find a good wireless GUI manager for my laptop
[06:24] <atm> brand new dell dimension 8400
[06:24] <crimsun_> geargolem: modprobe snd-seq && modprobe snd-seq-oss
[06:24] <sbcl3> everytime i do some task i hear this annoying drum noise
[06:25] <sbcl3> how can i get rid of it?
[06:25] <elcu> sbcl3: system->prefs->sound
[06:25] <whyameye> tritium: anyway, just so I know for the future, how do you install a .deb package?
[06:25] <sbcl3> thanks
[06:25] <whyameye> tritium: I ended up installing GTKWifi from the source...
[06:25] <tritium> whyameye, where did you find the package?  Generally, it's not recommended to install non-ubuntu packages, but it's not available in the ubuntu repos.
[06:25] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i file
[06:25] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i file.deb
[06:25] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[06:25] <geargolem> crimsun module sen_seq not found
[06:25] <tritium> whyameye, ah, never mind.  You installed from source...
[06:26] <blaylock> agp 8x is compatible with 4x slots right?
[06:26] <atm> ..
[06:26] <atm> anybody?
[06:26] <elcu> blaylock: yep, but it'll only run at 4x
[06:26] <blaylock> boy, im behind on my hardware....
[06:26] <whyameye> tritium: actually it doesn't work. After installation, when  I try to run I get (GTKWifi:12979): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:26] <whyameye> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:26] <JDahl> atm, I've had a lot of troubles with Dell Optiplex machines running Debian Testing; it sounds like the same problem.
[06:26] <blaylock> thats what i thought
[06:26] <IIIEARS> gstreamer is a huge donation to the communitty. - how did they support themselves while they wrote code for it?
[06:27] <kestas> atm fails how?
[06:27] <blaylock> thanks elcu
[06:27] <bob2_> IIIEARS: I don't think they wrote it from scratch
[06:27] <atm> hangs
[06:27] <kestas> atm what does it say?
[06:27] <geargolem> crimsun_  modprobe sen_seq not found
[06:27] <geneo93> blaylock:  yes i have that here
[06:27] <kestas> what does it say before it hang?
[06:27] <bob2_> IIIEARS: but they seel proprietary addons for it, which is how they make money (aiui).  as well as the usual consulting stuff.
[06:27] <blaylock> geneo93, what kind of card?
[06:27] <crimsun_> geargolem: double-check your syntax, please
[06:27] <blaylock> im thinking of getting the FX 5200
[06:27] <IIIEARS> Ah - okay. - would it be bad form to send a thank you email?
[06:27] <atm> its just kernel output, either regarding the mouse, or that ata1 has a timeout
[06:28] <bob2_> IIIEARS: hah, I'm sure theyd appreciate it
[06:28] <geneo93> nvidia
[06:28] <tritium> IIIEARS, no, it would probably be a nice gesture
[06:28] <bob2_> the guys from there I've met seemed like top folks
[06:28] <g14> IIIEARS: fluendo actually makes most of their money from a streaming media server
[06:28] <kestas> atm and when you unplug the mouse entirely it boots up fine?
[06:28] <geneo93> 440mx
[06:28] <geargolem> have, crimsun_  thats the return on modprobe sen-seq && modprobe sen-seq-oss
[06:28] <JDahl> atm, actually there was a bunch of problems... booting without acpi helped.
[06:28] <g14> IIIEARS: I have a good friend that works for fluendo
[06:28] <crimsun_> geargolem: not sEN but sND :)
[06:28] <IIIEARS> Then gstreamer creates a user base.
[06:29] <geargolem> my apologies, crimsun_
[06:29] <atm> i tried with a USB mouse and with a PS2 mouse
[06:29] <geneo93> blaylock:  i have the 7174 driver installed and it works great
[06:29] <atm> both with and without acpi and it never worked
[06:29] <kestas> atm try without either
[06:29] <JDahl> atm, are you using hoary?
[06:29] <atm> hmm
[06:29] <atm> yeah
[06:29] <atm> just got it
[06:29] <sgtkernel> hrm....what's the deal with cdrecord? -scanbus just warns me about the kernel version? I thought all that stuff with the non-scsi ide support was worked out...
[06:30] <kestas> sgtkernel: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0
[06:30] <sgtkernel> hrm
[06:30] <Razor-X> "This is how it feels like to be Anakin Skywalker, forever"
[06:30] <atm> ata1: command 0xa0 timeout, stat 0xd0 host_stat 0x21
[06:30] <kestas> sgtkernel: it doesnt mention to use ATAPI anywhere for some reason, but thats what youve got to do
[06:30] <Razor-X> ahhh, I love that quote
[06:30] <kestas> atm yeah so its not a mouse problem
[06:30] <bob2_> sgtkernel: ignore -scanbus unless you actually have a scsi burner
[06:30] <geargolem> thank you crimsun_
[06:30] <atm> so it seems
[06:30] <bob2_> sgtkernel: if you have an ide one, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[06:30] <crimsun_> geargolem: np
[06:31] <kestas> atm try unplugging all unnecessary hdds
[06:31] <atm> theres only 1
[06:31] <kestas> atm and check the master/slave pins
[06:31] <kestas> ah
[06:31] <kestas> unplug your cdrom drives etc
[06:31] <geneo93> bob2 i have both
[06:31] <atm> its 250gb... could that be a problem?
[06:31] <IIIEARS> Linux - the best invention since sliced bread. (Okay i stole the quote so sue me.)
[06:31] <kestas> atm nah not on linux I dont think
[06:31] <sgtkernel> bob2, well, it's not command line i'm looking for. and dvdrip says:
[06:31] <sgtkernel> cdrecord device (n,n,n or filename): 0,X,0 has not format n,n,n and is no file : NOT Ok
[06:32] <atm> hmm
[06:32] <bob2> sgtkernel: dvdrip is broken then
[06:32] <kestas> linux access hdds directly so it doesnt need a 48 lba bios or anything
[06:32] <Razor-X> time to go to the slammer, IIIEARS
[06:32] <whyameye> bob2_: you mentioned before netapplet. I downloaded and installed. It seems there is no netapplet command? Do you know how I execute this on ubuntu?
[06:32] <bob2> whyameye: right click on the gnome panel, add applet, add the network one
[06:32] <atm> this sounds annoying. i think ill try fedora3
[06:32] <kestas> go for it
[06:32] <Razor-X> atm: why would you ever do that?
[06:32] <sysrq> bob2: scanbus can still be used without scsi, cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[06:32] <atm> mepis live cd didnt boot x...
[06:32] <atm> wtf
[06:32] <nickrud> IIIEARS, most everything we run is 'stolen', so ...
[06:32] <bob2> sysrq: right, but it's uneeccesary
[06:33] <geneo93> atm your crazy
[06:33] <JairunCaloth> FINALY
[06:33] <sgtkernel> bob2, that ATAPI device....would hdc be 0,0,0 or 0,0,1 or what?
[06:33] <JairunCaloth> I got Star wars galaxies running under linux
[06:33] <IIIEARS> Razor-X - Can i take my PC with me?
[06:33] <whyameye> bob2: what is the gnome panel? (sorry to be such a newbie)
[06:33] <JairunCaloth> I'm now officaily windows free
[06:33] <kestas> sgtkernel: thats a good question let me know when you figure it out
[06:33] <Razor-X> IIIEARS: nopes
[06:33] <bob2> sgtkernel: cdrecord wants the device /dev/hdc, not a number
[06:33] <kestas> hda is 0,0,0
[06:33] <kestas> thats all I know
[06:33] <bob2> sgtkernel: assuming it's an ide drive
[06:33] <kestas> it does?
[06:33] <sgtkernel> bob2, good call
[06:33] <bob2> kestas: not in general
[06:33] <kestas> ahhhh
[06:33] <Razor-X> although, I can boot up the machine, and put it in front of your shell
[06:34] <Razor-X> and add in all the updates
[06:34] <bob2> it varies
[06:34] <kestas> thats handy
[06:34] <Razor-X> just to make you suffer
[06:34] <bob2> whyameye: the thing at the top with the clock, find a blank area and right click on it
[06:34] <Razor-X> since it's right there, all out of reach
[06:34] <laosiano> what means that something is deprecated??
[06:34] <Razor-X> *cell
[06:34] <IIIEARS> no Ubuntu - was beginning to think it would be great. quit my job and learn C++. - grin
[06:34] <psychonate> I can't get mplayer to play my DVDs :(
[06:34] <Razor-X> laosiano: think deappreciated
[06:34] <bob2> laosiano: it means it's old, and you shouldn't use it anymore, because it's going to go away soon
[06:34] <kestas> laosiano: it is no longer being developed/is out of date
[06:34] <nickrud> laosiano, that means someone thinks they have a better way, you get to be the jugje
[06:34] <psychonate> I believe it's because of this: "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec."
[06:35] <laosiano> thank you all!!
[06:35] <kestas> google define:deprecated
[06:35] <psychonate> I have libdvdcss, so I know it's not that
[06:35] <psychonate> It's just the VO
[06:35] <psychonate> and I've tried a few
[06:35] <Razor-X> 2 and a hlf hours till something finishes downloading
[06:35] <Razor-X> *half
[06:35] <tritium> Razor-X, what are you downloading?
[06:36] <nickrud> Razor-X, inquiring people want to know
[06:36] <Tritis> Hey all, does hoary have Gnome 2.8?  I see gnome 2.11.1 when i go to about gnome.  Is there a way to install gnome 2.8?  Thanks.
[06:36] <psychonate> BioVorE, Hey, if you think you can help, be my guess
[06:36] <atm> im rather disappointed
[06:36] <psychonate> s/guess/guest
[06:36] <bob2> Tritis: you're using breezy
[06:36] <IIIEARS> Razor-X - you are going to need 10gigs for an Ubuntu mirror - lol
[06:36] <bob2> Tritis: all you have is experimental gnome
[06:36] <BioVorE> I guess I can, I built mPlayer from source 100 times over..
[06:36] <bob2> Tritis: why do you want 2.8?
[06:37] <atm> ubuntu is linux for human beings, and i consider myself one of those
[06:37] <atm> =O
[06:37] <blaylock> geneo93, 7174 driver for the fx 5200?
[06:37] <psychonate> BioVorE, I'm sure I could build if I wanted to, but I don't think I should have to
[06:37] <jasoncohen> would it be a bad idea to use debian's main to install packages that are updated versions of those in universe/multiverse?
[06:37] <psychonate> This should work
[06:37] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes
[06:37] <psychonate> the fact that it doesn't makes me very angry
[06:37] <jasoncohen> bob2, why?
[06:37] <blaylock> geneo93, or is that the nvidia driver version
[06:37] <ogami1972> hi channel- anybody know how to open .ace archives?
[06:37] <bob2> jasoncohen: because they will have different dependencies to those in ubuntu
[06:37] <bob2> jasoncohen: so, you might get Debian's libc
[06:37] <nickrud> Tritis, warty (the old ubuntu) has 2.8 hoary (the current ubuntu) has 2.10 and breezy (the broken ubuntu) has 2.11\
[06:38] <Mosi> Anyone who might know where i can find an image for a bootable cd with a grub installer on it?
[06:38] <geneo93> yeah thats the nvidia version
[06:38] <BioVorE> well the problem with bins of mplayer is that you can't redistrubut some of the codecs becuse of copyright issues
[06:38] <Tritis> nickrud, bob2:  oh, i see That makes a lot of sense.   Thanks you two :)
[06:38] <blaylock> geneo93, cool...Ubuntu right?
[06:38] <jasoncohen> bob2, i'm pondering installing ubuntu as i like the idea of getting security updates and having new KDE etc. as well as the easy upgrade procedure but what is compelling about ubuntu v. debian testing? i asked this before but what i'm really wondering about is ease of configuration and useage
[06:39] <bob2> jasoncohen: hoary is ahead of testing already in almost al lregards
[06:39] <geneo93> yes all my linux distros have that now
[06:39] <psychonate> BioVorE, It's a DVD. It's only MPEG2. Do you really think that would be an issue?
[06:39] <sig> jasoncohen: dude first of all debian testing is unstable
[06:39] <kestas> does anyone get the choppy visualisations in xmms/bmp when using esd?
[06:39] <jasoncohen> sig, many people on #debian would argue it's more stable than ubuntu
[06:39] <sig> and ubuntu 5.04 Hoary is stable, so comparing the two is dumb
[06:39] <BioVorE> the dcss code is a prob
[06:39] <blaylock> geneo93, nice
[06:39] <sig> debian "testing"
[06:39] <IIIEARS> Mosi - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ - the torrent is very fast.
[06:39] <jasoncohen> yes, but ubuntu is a patched version of sid
[06:39] <bob2> sig: er, no, debian testing is not unstable at all
[06:40] <bob2> sig: please don't spread fud
[06:40] <psychonate> BioVorE, I've got libdvdcss, and xine works alright
[06:40] <blaylock> geneo93, there are still some issues with totem and network files that im still hasseling with
[06:40] <bob2> jasoncohen: so is sarge, more or less
[06:40] <blaylock> geneo93, but other than that im loving Ubuntu
[06:40] <IIIEARS> the servers are also speedy
[06:40] <sig> lol
[06:40] <Jeezis> so far i have found that ubuntu supports a larger variety of harware than debian
[06:40] <atm> >=[
[06:40] <Mosi> Thanks EARS
[06:40] <blaylock> Jeezis, def...especially laptops
[06:40] <jasoncohen> bob2, true, but i still think the debian developers are more conservative in what they put into testing
[06:40] <BioVorE> hmm..  I'll have to look into it..  I might make a deb for ubuntu for mplayer..   Or maybe shoot the current package admin an email
[06:41] <sig> The testing distribution contains packages that haven't been accepted into a stable release yet
[06:41] <geneo93> blaylock:  i like kubuntu myself
[06:41] <psychonate> BioVorE, it gets passed the encryption fine, but it craps out because the video device is apparently not compatible...
[06:41] <Jeezis> blaylock: just finished installing it on my hp pavilion ze4420us
[06:41] <sig> fud
[06:41] <bob2> sig: yes, shockingly
[06:41] <kestas> blaylock: Jeezis: anyone ubuntu can use any linux of the same version can use
[06:41] <sig> idito
[06:41] <IIIEARS> You can if you like be sent a free copy by mail if the download would take too long.
[06:41] <bob2> sig: atm it is completely frozen
[06:41] <blaylock> Jeezis, damn, i have the 4502ze
[06:41] <bob2> sig: oh, please stop it
[06:41] <Mosi> EARS: This is just to download Ubuntu, isnt' it? I need a GRUB bood CD
[06:41] <sig> no, you need to figure it out.
[06:41] <Mosi> *boot
[06:41] <atm> hmm
[06:41] <sig> my response was correct
[06:41] <bob2> no, it's not
[06:41] <sig> and you over reacted
[06:42] <bob2> debian testing at the moment is completely frozen
[06:42] <jasoncohen> bob2, why is ubuntu ahead of debian testing? Other than the biggies like gnome, kde and xorg, testing gets updates to a large array of apps (16,000) within a few days of entering unstable- so for example, i have the newest version of firefox, gaim, openvpn, gaim-otr (not in ubuntu) etc.
[06:42] <sig> bob2: and
[06:42] <bob2> and when it's not frozen, it's still not unsytable
[06:42] <kestas> Mosi: make a GRUB floppy
[06:42] <atm> RH9 install manages to boot a GUI installer... good sign for FC3 ?!?
[06:42] <blaylock> kestas, WTF are you trying to say?
[06:42] <kestas> Mosi: its easy peasy
[06:42] <Mosi> Kestas: On a Mac, no floppy drive
[06:42] <kestas> ah okay
[06:42] <IIIEARS> There are several CDs Live and install CDs - Add on CDs if you network connection is slow.
[06:42] <Jeezis> blaylock: having some trouble setting up a linksys wpc54g ver 2 wireless card
[06:42] <kestas> blaylock: '
[06:42] <jasoncohen> bob2, what i do think is cool about ubuntu are the quick security updates + what seems to be a much better configuration/setup
[06:42] <bob2> jasoncohen: no, testing at the moment is frozen
[06:42] <psychonate> BioVorE, Can you tell me what VO you use with mplayer by default?
[06:42] <blaylock> Jeezis, yeah i think the pcmcia bus is trashed on that machine
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: and has not had updates of anything in weeks
[06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, i know- i'm talking generally
[06:43] <Mosi> EARS: I have the PPC Install CD< is there a grub installer on that disk that i can run while booted from it?
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: right
[06:43] <hayter> Is there SATA support in Hoary?
[06:43] <blaylock> Jeezis, i could never get it to work
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: "WTF am I trying to say?" shit I dont believe I wrote that
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: well, it dpeneds what you want
[06:43] <bob2> hayter: of course
[06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, i just take from unstable at the moment- and i have had 0 probs doing that
[06:43] <atm> anyone know anything about fedora3?
[06:43] <ruiner54> can debian packages be used in ubuntu? Ive never used debian or a relative of it before
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: "WTF am I trying to say?" that made no sense at all @_@
[06:43] <blaylock> Jeezis, eventually i just gave up
[06:43] <hayter> okay thanks
[06:43] <Jeezis> blaylock: so no wireless cards at all or would my wireless-b one work
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: right, I ran debian unstable for years
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: "WTF am I trying to say?" I need some coffee
[06:43] <ogami1972> anybody know how to open .ace archives?
[06:43] <bob2> ruiner54: yes, but its a bad idea
[06:43] <psychonate> atm, Why would you ask that in here?
[06:43] <blaylock> kestas, your english didnt make sense man
[06:43] <bob2> ogami1972: with the unace program
[06:43] <jasoncohen> bob2, the best thing about debian is the massive package selection and wonderful package management tools
[06:43] <Jeezis> blaylock: i have a belkin wireless-b
[06:43] <Mosi> My problem is that i installed Yaboot in the MBR, and i reinstalled Mac OS X over it to update, compeltely forgetting it would wipe my boot loader, so now i can't get to my Ubuntu partition
[06:43] <kestas> ogami1972: unace, but its no good
[06:43] <kestas> blaylock: yeah Ill explain it after coffee
[06:43] <bob2> jasoncohen: yup, and the fun of getting new toys every day
[06:43] <sysrq> psychonate: /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:43] <kestas> brb
[06:43] <ogami1972> ?
[06:43] <blaylock> Jeezis, if you get it to work let me know :-)
[06:43] <atm> well ubuntu doesnt work, and i need ideas
[06:44] <blaylock> kestas, haha
[06:44] <IIIEARS> Mosi - I don't really know the answer. - someone here will know
[06:44] <jasoncohen> bob2, what configuration tools does ubuntu have?
[06:44] <ruiner54> bob2: okay, so might as well find source or binary....will rpms work okay?
[06:44] <bob2> atm: "doesn't work"?
[06:44] <blaylock> kestas, we all have our days
[06:44] <Mosi> EARS: Thanks
[06:44] <Kevin> is it possible to convert a NTFS partition to FAT or some other format with read/write access in linux without losing the data already in the NTFS
[06:44] <jasoncohen> debian basically has nothing other than the default gnome & kde stuff
[06:44] <bob2> jasoncohen: about the same as Debian
[06:44] <kestas> anyone ubuntu can use any linux of the same version can use
[06:44] <atm> hangs during kernel boot
[06:44] <bob2> ruiner54: of what?
[06:44] <psychonate> sysrq, I want to know what *you* personally have
[06:44] <TiZZ> does anyone know what i have to install to get the header files for xwindows (Xlib.h etc)
[06:44] <kestas> aah
[06:44] <bob2> kestas: no, not without copying off and reformating it
[06:44] <blaylock> wow, this room is populated
[06:44] <jasoncohen> bob2, really, i saw all sorts of stuff in the screenshots
[06:44] <ruiner54> bob2: aterm
[06:44] <bob2> TiZZ: install build-essential and xlibs-dev
[06:44] <geneo93> bob2 newer toys
[06:44] <sysrq> psychonate: gl2
[06:44] <bob2> ruiner54: aterm is in ubuntu already
[06:44] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, why would you recommend ubuntu over debian?
[06:44] <kestas> what I meant to say is that you can use the same drivers on ubuntu linux on other linuxes
[06:44] <jasoncohen> testing
[06:44] <bob2> jasoncohen: there's gnome-system-tools, but they're in debian, too
[06:44] <TiZZ> bob2: thanks :)
[06:45] <bob2> jasoncohen: I wouldn't, in general
[06:45] <bob2> jasoncohen: it depends what you want
[06:45] <kestas> so therefore any hardware which works on one linux works on another
[06:45] <ruiner54> bob2: oh really? even ppc version
[06:45] <sysrq> psychonate: just play with a variety of them to see which works best on your system
[06:45] <atm> bob2: typically hangs when ata1 has a timeout
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: of course
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: the package selection is almost identical across architectures
[06:45] <ogami1972> sigh- i searched for "ace" in synaptice, but unace didn't come up until i looked for "unace"- thanks
[06:45] <kestas> with perhaps the hassly of installing drivers if theyre not packages as default, but its not that hard
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:45] <psychonate> sysrq, that's the problem. I can't get any of them working with DVDs
[06:45] <bob2> ruiner54: enable the universe repository
[06:45] <blaylock> kestas, ahh...now i gotcha
[06:45] <psychonate> sysrq, are you able to play DVDs fine with mplayer?
[06:45] <ruiner54> bob2: awesome, i guess i was too lazy to checj
[06:45] <kestas> blaylock: but I prefer "anyone ubuntu can use any linux of the same version can use"
[06:45] <psychonate> Is anyone here able to play DVDs fine with mplayer?
[06:45] <jasoncohen> bob2, can you explain what strengths ubuntu has over debian testing? Also, i'm not afraid of using unstable packages if i want them- i.e.- i had firefox 1.0.4 and gaim 1.3 before ubuntu or fedora
[06:46] <bob2> psychonate: yes
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, yeah i knew that....i just dont use them much because every time there is a kernel update you have to recompile
[06:46] <Mosi> Does anyone know where i can get a burnable image for a boot CD with a grub installer on it?
[06:46] <sysrq> psychonate: maybe it isn't the vo, but instead because playing DVD's requires libs that don't come from ubuntu
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, hahaha
[06:46] <ruiner54> bob2: thanks for the help
[06:46] <kestas> blaylock: yeah fair enough
[06:46] <bob2> Mosi: the live cd
[06:46] <bob2> ruiner54: you're welcome
[06:46] <psychonate> sysrq, I have libdvdcss if that's what you're referring to
[06:46] <geneo93> psychonate:  yes i can
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, by the way...how DO we update a debian/Ubuntu kernel?
[06:46] <bob2> jasoncohen: ubuntu is stable and supported, testing is not.  this is especially a problem with security updates
[06:46] <jasoncohen> bob2, also, is there a net install of ubuntu?/ what's with the single cd install?
[06:46] <Mosi> bob2: I'm running on a PPC, there's no live CD for me, just install
[06:46] <kestas> blaylock: search synaptic for linux
[06:46] <blaylock> kestas, hmm...i havent thought about that yet
[06:47] <psychonate> OK, If you guys are using an mplayer package for Ubuntu, can one/both of you maybe post your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf in #flood?
[06:47] <kestas> blaylock: itll do it automatically though
[06:47] <bob2> jasoncohen: not that I know.  a simple cd is very very simple and quick to install.
[06:47] <kestas> :)
[06:47] <bob2> jasoncohen: I do a netboot install, generally, which is even lighter than a netinst
[06:47] <bob2> Mosi: er, there is a live cd for all architectures
[06:47] <bob2> psychonate: you don't need to touch that file
[06:47] <jasoncohen> ah, i did the sarge netinst and the second time i did a clone of my system
[06:47] <jasoncohen> i love net installs
[06:47] <IIIEARS> Can you "grub-update" from the live CD?
[06:47] <bob2> IIIEARS: of course
[06:47] <jasoncohen> i added the marillat source and had a duplicate of my first system in an hour
[06:47] <blaylock> kestas, yeah i figured
[06:48] <IIIEARS> Mosi - Newb buddy you are "in" - wide grin
[06:48] <eob84> how do I configure gnome to use my graphics card?
[06:48] <psychonate> bob2, Can you tell me what your default VO is?
[06:48] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, you think ubuntu is more stable than sarge?
[06:48] <Mosi> bob2: ne didn't ship to me with the isntall CD, but i ordered a few months ago, i'll check again. thanks.
[06:48] <eob84> I have configured X to use my graphics card
[06:48] <bob2> psychonate: some useless crap, probably x11.  mplayer -vo xv ...
[06:48] <eob84> but gnome seems a little choppy
[06:48] <Kevin> Is it possible to convert a NTFS partition to FAT or some other format with read/write access in linux without losing the data already in the NTFS
[06:48] <atm> BAHAHA fedora just pwnd ubuntu
[06:48] <bob2> jasoncohen: you said testing, not sarge, sarge is a different story
[06:48] <psychonate> bob2, I can't seem to get any of them working with DVDs
[06:48] <jasoncohen> bob2, let's stick with testing
[06:48] <bob2> Kevin: no, as I already said, you have to copy the data off, reformat, copy it back
[06:49] <bob2> jasoncohen: then yes, ubuntu is more stable than testing (by definition)
[06:49] <bob2> Mosi: warty didn't have a livecd for ppc, hoary does
[06:49] <psychonate> I always get "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec."
[06:49] <Boricua540> hmm keeps doing this. I adjusted the power management in my bios, the systems seems to hang for a second or two then continues with operation... I dont know what to do. When i move the mouse, there is a little freeze and then it finally moves
[06:49] <bob2> psychonate: works for me
[06:49] <atm> ah, wait. doesnt seem to recognize my hard drive. hm.
[06:49] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, definitions aren't necessarily true? i dont' think fc3 is more stable than testing
[06:49] <psychonate> video decoder: libmpeg2
[06:49] <Kevin> ok Next question can i use the rest of the unused space on the NTFS drive and make a new partition out of it?
[06:49] <eob84> does anyone know why gnome seems a little choppy compared to KDE?
[06:49] <bob2> Kevin: you can try to shrink it with ntfsresize
[06:49] <psychonate> bob2, what did you do to mplayer to get it playing DVDs? Did you just install libdvdcss?
[06:50] <bob2> psychonate: yes
[06:50] <psychonate> damn
[06:50] <psychonate> I don't know what the problem is then
[06:50] <jasoncohen> when's breezy coming out?
[06:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: ubuntu stable does not change. at all.  debian testing does.  that's the definition I'm using.
[06:50] <blaylock> kestas, one other thing i didnt like was the install process
[06:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: october
[06:50] <blaylock> kestas, i like to partition my drives the way i like...and i must have missed that part
[06:50] <blaylock> kestas, because it just "went"
[06:50] <jasoncohen> interesting- hoary universe doesn't have gaim-otr
[06:51] <bob2> jasoncohen: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:51] <blizah> ort?
[06:51] <geneo93> psychonate:  did you install 586 mplayer
[06:51] <eob84> ??
[06:51] <psychonate> geneo93, K6
[06:51] <blaylock> jasoncohen, whats gaim-otr?
[06:51] <jasoncohen> blizah, off the record messaging
[06:51] <eob84> does anyone in here use GNOME?
[06:51] <bob2> eob84: everyone does
[06:51] <blaylock> eob84, umm dude
[06:51] <blizah> jasoncohen, ah
[06:51] <bob2> eob84: no one answered because your question was too vague
[06:51] <jasoncohen> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
[06:51] <psychonate> geneo93, I'm running an Athlong
[06:51] <psychonate> I can post my output in #flood if anyone cares
[06:51] <jasoncohen> it's better than gaim-otr as it has perfect forward secrecy
[06:51] <atm> help, someone, please
[06:51] <jasoncohen> and the deniability is cool too
[06:52] <bob2> atm: please stop it
[06:52] <eob84> bob2, how is it vague... the gnome interface is choppy
[06:52] <blizah> jasoncohen, what about gaim encryption
[06:52] <bob2> atm: ask a question instead of vageluy insiting you get help
[06:52] <jasoncohen> eob84, that's not a useful question- it's a yes or no answer
[06:52] <geneo93> oh gee i hate those things
[06:52] <bob2> eob84: no, it's not choppy for me
[06:52] <atm> bob2: fedora says i dont have a hard drive, which may indicate the problem ubuntu is having
[06:52] <jasoncohen> blizah, gaim-encryption doesn't have PFS so if someone steals your key all your future and past conversations are stolen
[06:52] <eob84> bob2, hmm
[06:52] <kestas> blaylock: there was a whole section in the install for partitioning your drives the way you want
[06:52] <bob2> atm: #fedora then.
[06:52] <blizah> jasoncohen, ah
[06:53] <nickrud> lol
[06:53] <eob84> bob2, when you resize a window does it lag a bit?
[06:53] <jasoncohen> blizah, with gaim-otr, if someone steals your key they can't get any past or future conversations. every message is encrypted with a new temporal key
[06:53] <bob2> atm: does anything see your disk?
[06:53] <blaylock> kestas, yeah like i said...i must have missed it
[06:53] <atm> the point is that i'd like ubuntu to work
[06:53] <atm> i guess not
[06:53] <bob2> eob84: no
[06:53] <kestas> blaylock: eee it was like the only thing you actually had to do in the install process
[06:53] <bob2> atm: then how do you know your hardware is not screwed?
[06:53] <blaylock> kestas, is it where it askes you to erase the drive?
[06:53] <kestas> blaylock: everything else is done for you
[06:53] <jasoncohen> blizah, in fact gaim-otr supports a second mode of authentication (the secret id) for out of bounds authentication for further security so two people could both have their keys stolen and still have a secure conversation
[06:53] <geneo93> psychonate:  open a terminal and paste the file your trying to play and see what the error is
[06:53] <atm> beacuse its brand new and xp home work
[06:53] <atm> s
[06:54] <kestas> blaylock: I think you can choose 'use the whole drive (easy option)' or 'partition'
[06:54] <blizah> jasoncohen, heh neat stuff
[06:54] <eob84> bob2, it is for me in gnome... but not in KDE
[06:54] <jasoncohen> yeah, check out the white paper
[06:54] <geneo93> mplayer file
[06:54] <jasoncohen> very interesting
[06:54] <blaylock> kestas, hmmm
[06:54] <blaylock> oh....is there an mplayer plugin for firefox? I cant seem to find one
[06:54] <nickrud> atm, ubuntu works, and nicely
[06:55] <atm> i beg to differ
[06:55] <bob2> this is obviously a hardware-specific issue
[06:55] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  better not say to much here then
[06:55] <jasoncohen> um...mysql is in universe?
[06:55] <bob2> making generalisations either way is stupid
[06:55] <atm> the error fedora gives me is: "... no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems..."
[06:55] <jasoncohen> why isn't it in main?
[06:55] <nickrud> atm, not to get into a pssing contest, but details are the essence
[06:55] <bob2> jasoncohen: no, it's in supported
[06:55] <psychonate> geneo93, I just asked if you wanted to see that five minutes ago ;)
[06:56] <psychonate> geneo93, Do you want the line that I think is relevant, or the whole thing?
[06:56] <Mosi> This is kind of a stupid question, but does anyone know if i can burn an ISO with Toast?
[06:56] <jasoncohen> oh, ok
[06:56] <elcu> blaylock: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[06:57] <jasoncohen> bob2, 4.1.10a is in universe and 4.0.23 is in main
[06:57] <geneo93> psychonate:  i doing many things here
[06:57] <psychonate> Here's what I think is relevant:
[06:57] <psychonate> "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[06:57] <psychonate> VDecoder init failed :(
[06:57] <psychonate> "
[06:57] <bob2> jasoncohen: no, packages should not be in both sections
[06:57] <jasoncohen> bob2, what do you mean?
[06:57] <jasoncohen> it is
[06:57] <psychonate> I think the sad face mplayer displayed sorta gives it away, but I could be wrong lol
[06:57] <bob2> jasoncohen: they're different packages
[06:57] <jasoncohen> yes
[06:58] <blaylock> elcu, thanks
[06:58] <jasoncohen> bob2, what were you referring to when you said ubuntu was ahead of debian testing in most respects?
[06:58] <_dockane_> which software would you recommend for cdrecording ?
[06:58] <jasoncohen> kernel, KDE, gnome?
[06:58] <bob2> jasoncohen: e.g. gnome 2.10
[06:58] <bob2> _dockane_: nautilus
[06:58] <psychonate> oh, wait a minute
[06:58] <psychonate> might've found something useful in the forums here
[06:59] <psychonate> lemme check
[06:59] <geneo93> wauy ahead
[06:59] <jasoncohen> is KDE supported by default? i'm confused about the ubuntu v. kubuntu distinction as ubuntu has KDE
[06:59] <nickrud> _dockane_, nautilus and gnomebaker :)
[06:59] <_dockane_> bob2, do i have to take care of anyhting if i need "win" (2k/xp) compatible cds ?
[06:59] <bob2> _dockane_: no
[06:59] <bob2> jasoncohen: the difference is whether kde or gnome is installed
[06:59] <bob2> jasoncohen: kubuntu is supported by the ubuntu security team etc, too
[06:59] <Swelly> How do i install ubuntu as opposed to running it off the cd ?
[07:00] <sgtkernel> anybody using wine in ubuntu? mine seems to be having some trouble writing into the fake c drive....
[07:00] <jasoncohen> bob2, so the difference is which is installed by default? can't you choose that in the installer?
[07:00] <sgtkernel> perhaps even reading from it too
[07:00] <elcu> _dockane_: no such thing as wincompatible AFAIK.  CDs are OS independent.
[07:00] <bob2> jasoncohen: no
[07:00] <nickrud> _dockane_, drag and drop into the nautilus burn:// window , it works great for data\
[07:00] <bob2> Swelly: you get an install cd
[07:00] <Swelly> i cant install it from the live cd ?
[07:00] <bob2> elcu: well, there are OS-specific extensions
[07:00] <bob2> Swelly: no
[07:00] <Swelly> arr ok :)
[07:00] <bob2> windows has Joliet, unix has RockRidge
[07:01] <Swelly> that would be why i'm having problems then :P cheers
[07:01] <elcu> bob2: true
[07:01] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  you have permissions
[07:01] <psychonate> nvm, that didn't help
[07:01] <sgtkernel> geneo93, permissions all over the .wine directory are rxwrwxrwx
[07:02] <nickrud> and burn:// so far, has worked fine with both windows and linx, I'll leave rockridge and jolie to the developers
[07:02] <sgtkernel> geneo93, when i run 'wine notepad.exe' from the windows dir, it says the equiv of 'no such file or dir'
[07:02] <geneo93> so you dont then
[07:02] <nickrud> typos hopefully ignored
[07:03] <bob2> sgtkernel: give it the path to notepad.exe
[07:03] <sgtkernel> bob2, did that; no change
[07:03] <sgtkernel> todd@todd:~/.wine/drive_c/windows$ wine /home/todd/.wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe
[07:03] <sgtkernel> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin /home/todd/.wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe ...wine: cannot find '/home/todd/.wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe'
[07:03] <sgtkernel> Wine failed with return code 1
[07:03] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  open a terminal and type wine notepad
[07:04] <bob2> sgtkernel: you're sure the file exists?
[07:04] <sgtkernel> todd@todd:~/.wine/drive_c/windows$ ls -al notepad.exe
[07:04] <sgtkernel> lrwxrwxrwx  1 todd todd 28 2005-05-19 22:04 notepad.exe -> /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so
[07:04] <_dockane_> looks pretty easy ... thanks for the nautilus / burn:// hind ... i am totally fu**** up : 48 h no sleep
[07:04] <bob2> er
[07:04] <bob2> sgtkernel: did wine do that itself?
[07:05] <bob2> a .so file looks rather unrunable to me
[07:05] <geneo93> heh he just said it dont have write permissions to the dir
[07:05] <bob2> sgtkernel: also, does "/usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so" exist?
[07:05] <bob2> Swelly: yes
[07:05] <sgtkernel> todd@todd:~/.wine/drive_c/windows$ wine /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so
[07:05] <sgtkernel> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so ...
[07:05] <sgtkernel> wine: cannot find '/usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so'
[07:05] <sgtkernel> Wine failed with return code 1
[07:05] <Swelly> thanks
[07:05] <metalsand> I have a quick HTML question
[07:05] <jasoncohen> so, if i plan to use KDE i should dl kubuntu rather than ubuntu?
[07:05] <sgtkernel> no, these ls commands i ran ....note the prompt
[07:05] <metalsand> How can I align the zebra on the FAR left of: http://zebrasoncrack.com/personal/index.html
[07:05] <jasoncohen> nah, i think i'll just download ubuntu. I'll install KDE myself. I want to try out gnome 2.10
[07:06] <bob2> sgtkernel: does the /usr/lib/wine/notepad.exe.so file exist?
[07:06] <sgtkernel> bob2, hehe....nope
[07:06] <sgtkernel> hrm
[07:06] <bob2> sgtkernel: that's the problem then
[07:06] <sgtkernel> yep
[07:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes
[07:06] <bob2> jasoncohen: or install ubuntu and install kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <jasoncohen> ok
[07:06] <sgtkernel> wonder why those things point there, and where they should instead.
[07:06] <geneo93> sgtkernel:  try sudo wine notepad
[07:07] <sgtkernel> wine: cannot find 'notepad'
[07:07] <sgtkernel> Wine failed with return code 1
[07:07] <blaylock> man that didnt work
[07:07] <bob2> geneo93: unless you really think that will help, please don't suggest it
[07:07] <jasoncohen> bob2, thanks for the help
[07:08] <jasoncohen> btw, what led you to use ubuntu?
[07:08] <bob2> working with the people that made it;)
[07:08] <nickrud> rflol
[07:08] <jasoncohen> heh, cool
[07:08] <geneo93> bob2 he said his wine dir was unwriteable
[07:09] <nickrud> bob2, may I say thank you?
[07:09] <jasoncohen> bob2, do you know why they backported firefox 1.0.3 and 1.0.2 when both were solely security updates...and from what i hear because it's versioned at 1.0.2 you can't download extensions in ubuntu. i
[07:09] <jasoncohen> sorry 1.0.4 and 1.0.3
[07:10] <trisha> testing
[07:10] <bob2> geneo93: it's in his homedir, if it's not writable by him/her, he/she should fix it
[07:10] <psychonate> How bad is it to use the Force Version option?
[07:10] <bob2> nickrud: hah, I didn't do anything but write other stuff to eventually help them work more effectively
[07:10] <psychonate> I mean, it's not so bad right? I can just revert back to the proper version of I choose, no?
[07:10] <bob2> jasoncohen: this is how ubuntu (and debian) stable works...upstreams have traditionally not been able to resist adding other things to their "security" updates
[07:10] <nickrud> infrastructure is what makes the world go round
[07:11] <bob2> heh, I like to think so :)
[07:11] <jasoncohen> bob2, why can't firefox recognize that it's patched and allow users to download extensions?
[07:11] <jasoncohen> or perhaps look to the whole version name to check for something which would indicate it's up to date
[07:12] <bob2> jasoncohen: that problem should have been fixed in the hoary update repositoriy
[07:12] <Madpilot> to get Flash working w/ FF & Opera, which of Syn's flash packages do I need?
[07:13] <jasoncohen> what state is breezy currently in? like debian unstable?
[07:14] <elcu> Madpilot: ubuntuguide recommends the macromedia plugin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[07:14] <jasoncohen> i guess the PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET means the answer to that question is as unstable or more so, heh
[07:14] <k4rp0r> i need some help, I have been installing wolfenstein E.T for linux and i cant get it work. It says something like this:"The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1" anyone have an idea?
[07:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: more broken than that
[07:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: X, glibc, gcc and g++ are being updated
[07:14] <geneo93> testing beyond
[07:15] <jasoncohen> ah, to be expected i guess
[07:15] <Madpilot> elcu, thanks, flashplayer-mozilla is in syn, so I'll grab that.
[07:15] <jasoncohen> debian's weird though. unstable is usually pretty decent
[07:15] <jasoncohen> on other distros- test releases are unusable
[07:16] <geneo93> not so
[07:16] <jasoncohen> bob2, does ubuntu have any graphical utilitity for wireless network setup?
[07:17] <bob2> jasoncohen: some gnome system tool thing, I think
[07:17] <philc1> I've added an eth0:0 device to /etc/network/interfaces. When I ifdown and ifup eth0, eth0:0 is not brought up. How can I have it brought up with eth0 automatically?
[07:17] <seth> Hello again.
[07:19] <bob_> anyone familiar with idle and python?
[07:19] <philc1> philc1: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add auto  eth0:0
[07:20] <Madpilot> blast. flashplayer-mozilla works w/ FF, but not Opera. Anyone here run Opera & Flash?
[07:20] <JDahl> bob_, why dont you try #python?
[07:21] <bob_> I'm a python newb,  have it running in windows and wanted to see it run in linux
[07:21] <JDahl> bob_, it runs fine on linux, but I dont think it's used that much
[07:22] <geneo93> just type python and go to it then
[07:22] <bob_> I was under the impression that python was pretty important in linux
[07:22] <JDahl> bob_, idle is not used that much
[07:22] <geneo93> JDahl: hehe
[07:23] <bob_> ok, tks,  is there a favourite development environment for it
[07:23] <geneo93> JDahl:  there is lots of python in ubuntu
[07:23] <bob_> that's what I thought
[07:23] <JDahl> bob_, just use python from a shell and any editor (emacs, vim...)
[07:23] <bob2> bob_: people tend to just use their favourite editor to develop python code
[07:23] <bob2> I use vim and emacs21
[07:24] <geneo93> py-qt might work for u
[07:24] <bob2> also, ipython is very very nice for playing with python
[07:24] <elcu> Madpilot: jsut quickly looking in synaptic: libflash-swfplayer  i'd google around though
[07:24] <bob_> I'll try that,  tks
[07:25] <Madpilot> elcu: thnx, I'm also looking around Opera's help site. Macromedia also has a d/l available, but I'd like to avoid that!
[07:25] <geneo93> python has its own if i'm not mistaken bob_
[07:25] <jb1> confession: i wiped a
[07:25] <bob2> geneo93: yes, but ipython is way nicer
[07:25] <jb1> slack distro today and put ubuntu on
[07:25] <bob2> links like completion and histor
[07:25] <bob2> y
[07:26] <geneo93> yeah i guess
[07:26] <JDahl> bob2, regular python from a shell has that also, if you setup a startup + history file
[07:27] <bob_> I found python and it works,  now,   where is ipython?  do I have to download and install it?
[07:27] <bob2> no, it's a package you install like any other
[07:28] <bob2> sudo aptitude install ipython, for instance
[07:28] <bob_> tks for your help,  much appreciated,   sometimes linux takes a bit of getting used to, and without help it iseasy to get lost
[07:29] <bob2> yup
[07:29] <bob2> I'm quite amazed at the dedication of a lot of new ubuntu users
[07:29] <bob2> I'd have given up long before
[07:29] <JDahl> bob_, you dont strictly need ipython (unless you're using threaded applications in interactive mode)
[07:29] <Plapla> hello
[07:29] <geneo93> yeah its sort of like build esential
[07:29] <bob_> well,  linux is getting so good,  it is worth spending the time to get up to speed
[07:30] <Plapla> an easy answer question
[07:30] <Plapla> what is the default password for root?
[07:30] <bob2> Plapla: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:30] <bob2> Plapla: also, there was a screen at the end of the install which explained it to you
[07:30] <geneo93> bob2 and you,d still be using windows
[07:30] <bob2> and it's in the faq...
[07:30] <geneo93> Plapla:  sudo
[07:30] <bob2> geneo93: heh, windows 98 was the last one I ran, and I was glad to be rid of it
[07:31] <bob_> windoze,  well,  my clients still use it and I use futures trading software that isnt available for linux yet
[07:31] <geneo93> bob2 thats when i switched also
[07:31] <Plapla> thaks.... i was desperate to install to finish that i relly didnt read all its sayed
[07:32] <nickrud> bob2, I think a lot of it is you all have reached the critical mass
[07:32] <Madpilot> can someone check this out --> http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/#flash  <-- and tell me if it'll go right in Ubuntu?
[07:32] <coey> hi...
[07:32] <Madpilot> It looks like it will, but I want to check!
[07:32] <geneo93> YET
[07:33] <nickrud> I mean, I'm cheap, which makes me a FOSS leach, but FOSS has become a real thing, not just an intellectual oddity
[07:34] <geneo93> is that the version of flash that has holes
[07:34] <elcu> Madpilot: looks ok.  it's not distro specific
[07:34] <Xyc0> Where can i find deb packages specificaly for Ubuntu
[07:34] <bob2> Xyc0: in the ubuntu repositories...
[07:34] <bob2> Xyc0: you're already configured to use them
[07:35] <geneo93> apt-get
[07:35] <Xyc0> ok, how about .deb packages in general
[07:35] <Madpilot> elcu, thnx. I keep forgetting that the underlying architecture of linuxiods is pretty much the same...
[07:35] <Jeezis> how do you change permissions on a file, ie being able to resave a file after editing it
[07:35] <nickrud> Xyc0, packages.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <Xyc0> awsome thanks
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> some free place where i can post images ? much like a paste bin for images ?
[07:35] <bob2> Plapla: ask questions in the channel
[07:35] <bob2> Jeezis: chmod
[07:36] <Pluk> yay finally got maya running
[07:36] <bob2> Jeezis: any file you create you can edit, though
[07:36] <elcu> Madpilot: np.  i'd avoid using rpms or debs that you can't find in the ubuntu repos though.  i.e. ALWAYS CHECK THE REPOS FIRST. :-)  makes it easier anyway.
[07:36] <bob2> Plapla: please stop /msg'ing me
[07:36] <elcu> da_bon_bon: google tinypic or imageshack
[07:37] <Madpilot> elcu: understood re: the repos, but it looks like for Opera I've got to go outside them...
[07:37] <bob2> Plapla: just ask your question in here
[07:37] <elcu> Madpilot: ok. no worries. :-)
[07:38] <Jeezis> bob2: i'm trying to save /etc/pcmcia/config to save and it keeps telling me it fails
[07:38] <geneo93> screw opera
[07:38] <bob2> Jeezis: sudo nano /etc/pcmcia/config
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> elcu: thanks
[07:38] <Xyc0> that sudo thing is awsome
[07:39] <Xyc0> first distro ive used with it
[07:39] <Xyc0> makes life easier
[07:39] <geneo93> Jeezis:  sudo gedit
[07:39] <Jeezis> no no, i edited it in kate and now i just want to save it
[07:40] <bob2> you can't
[07:40] <JDahl> what's the pastebin web address? I wanted to give bob_ my .startup.py file
[07:40] <bob2> re-open it in kate run with sudo and try again
[07:40] <Jeezis> .ok, i'll try
[07:40] <geneo93> Jeezis:  you have to use sudo kate then
[07:40] <Xyc0> you dont change permissions on the file, you chage your user temporarily
[07:40] <Razor-X> no, not sudo
[07:40] <Razor-X> try kdesu kate
[07:41] <Razor-X> else, it won't work
[07:41] <Plapla> and how do i mount a partition then?
[07:41] <Plapla> sudo mount -t xxxxxxxxx?
[07:41] <Xyc0> mount
[07:41] <bob2> Plapla: yes
[07:41] <linuxamoeba21> hey all
[07:41] <geneo93> oh teah i use su
[07:42] <Razor-X> sudo mount -t auto /dev/path/to/disk /mnt/local/mount/point
[07:42] <linuxamoeba21> please dont hate me. i am atm from before. i am now more positive.
[07:42] <linuxamoeba21> the fedora people got the issue resolved and i can boot ubuntu now.
[07:42] <JDahl> bob_, http://pastebin.com/286839 is a startup file that makes standard python quite helpful in interactive mode
[07:42] <Razor-X> substitute /path/to/disk with the hdd letter and number, and /local/mount/point the path where you want to mount it at
[07:42] <PaloDeQueso> Where can I find technical specs on the latest release of kubuntu, like xorg or xfree and things like that?
[07:42] <nickrud> Razor-X, that's not bad
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> fyi, it was the bios settings on the dimension 8400, that "SATA operation" must be set to "combination"
[07:43] <bob2> PaloDeQueso: the release announcement, I guess
[07:43] <Razor-X> linuxamoeba21: you mean the guy who got made about AOL Dialer?
[07:43] <_simple> i uninstalled firefox 1.0.2 to install firefox 1.0.4 which inturn uninstalled yelp, when i try to install yelp it wants to install firefox 1.0.2 with it, how can i just install yelp ?
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> no
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> no aol
[07:43] <Razor-X> oh, nevermind then
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> i was the hangs-during-install guy
[07:43] <Razor-X> ohhhh, I see
[07:43] <linuxamoeba21> anyway, thanks for the help
[07:44] <bob2> _simple: you can't
[07:44] <blaylock> anybody have the mplayer plugin working for firefox?
[07:44] <JDahl> linuxamoeba21, I actually remember that now you say it... Dell makes shitty PCs :S
[07:44] <_simple> alright.
[07:44] <limer> hello all.  is there a possibility that ubuntu can issue commands to an optical drive that leads to it's demise?
[07:44] <nate__> need help with madwifi
[07:44] <linuxamoeba21> we'll see about that :D
[07:44] <herpes> PaloDeQueso, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[07:44] <_simple> so wtf do to?
[07:44] <geneo93> man i'm glad i dont have to use aol
[07:45] <Razor-X> limer: possible, yes, likely, no
[07:45] <bob2> _simple: install firefox 1.0.2
[07:45] <_simple> just have 1.0.4 and 1.0.2 installed and just use 1.0.4?
[07:45] <Razor-X> geneo93: who isn't?
[07:45] <bob2> _simple: if you really have to have a newer one or you'll die and burst into flames, get the tarball from www.mozilla.org
[07:45] <_simple> i'm using the new one
[07:45] <Razor-X> (except that one guy in a fume about paying for it)
[07:45] <limer> Razor-X, I only ask b/c I had a BenQ drive suddenly fail on me and now my Lite-On DVD-ROM will not read CDs
[07:45] <_simple> i've lost a few shirts to fire..
[07:45] <_simple> but i'm using it
[07:45] <limer> just very strange
[07:45] <Xyc0> Its only security patches
[07:45] <Xyc0> nothing is UPDATED
[07:46] <Xyc0> themes work on the old ones too
[07:46] <Razor-X> limer: I doubt it's anything Ubuntu could have done
[07:46] <_simple> why on earth would i want security patches?
[07:46] <nate__> i just did make and make install but it put it into a different dir than my kernel libs
[07:46] <Razor-X> it's pretty hard to kill a drive with software things
[07:46] <nate__> is this the right place to ask??
[07:46] <bob2> nate__: you didn't ask anything yet
[07:46] <Razor-X> are you sure your ./configure paths are correct?
[07:46] <Madpilot> going to have to shut down Opera to install Flash. back in a bit. (yeah, I use Opera Chat for IRC)
[07:46] <limer> Razor-X, that's what I would think . . . just seems very coincidental
[07:46] <geneo93> limer:  it maybe a permissions issue
[07:46] <bob2> nate__: explain what you're trying to do, what you did, and what happened
[07:47] <limer> using windoze for the moment
[07:47] <limer> needed to get a resume done
[07:47] <nate__> i am trying to install the newest cvs for madwifi drivers
[07:47] <Razor-X> limer: well, coincidental things happen, like a registry fail after a linux live CD bootup
[07:47] <nickrud>  I read on this list last night that if you change general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4, extensions will work again.
[07:47] <Razor-X> in a huge crowd of users, there's always a person to whom something unfortunate happens
[07:47] <bob2> nate__: the ones in hoary don't work for you?
[07:47] <limer> Razor-X, I understand.  I'm not the sort of person that generally jumps to conclusions . . . but so much at once :P
[07:47] <nate__> i downloaded the newest snapshot and unpacked it....ran make and make install and have the .ko files
[07:47] <nickrud> is this correct?
[07:47] <nate__> no...
[07:48] <geneo93> why are they mad
[07:48] <nate__> i get a hal 13 unable to attach dmesg error
[07:48] <Razor-X> is it _really_ dead?
[07:48] <Razor-X> I brought someone's HDD back from the dead
[07:48] <Plapla> where can i find more info about ACM to connect mi cell phone to Ubuntu?
[07:48] <Razor-X> Linux, Windows, and DOS refused to write to it
[07:48] <Razor-X> but, then, I came along ;)
[07:48] <limer> the BenQ dvd rewriter is screwed.  this liteon dvdrom drive isn't "dead" so in the same mechanical fasion as the BenQ
[07:48] <nate__> i am using a netgear WG511T with the AR5212 chip (atheros)
[07:49] <Xyc0> Off Topic, What is a good Media Player?
[07:49] <Razor-X> I have an hour till something finished downloading
[07:49] <Razor-X> better get my ass to work on my project
[07:50] <limer> I had a seagate barracuda IV that died strangely.  hd internal IDE controller complete failure
[07:50] <geneo93> i remember the fisrt series of 2.6 kernel not agreeing with firmware on certain cdrom drives
[07:50] <Razor-X> Xyc0: VLC, IMO
[07:50] <Xyc0> Razor-X: VLC?
[07:50] <geneo93> lg drives if i remember correctly
[07:50] <nate__> i read that the newer version of the hal works with just about everything
[07:50] <Plapla> ACM?
[07:50] <Razor-X> VideoLAN Client
[07:50] <limer> geneo93, what were the ultimate effects?
[07:50] <Xyc0> Razor-X: for playing AVI and OGV files?
[07:50] <Razor-X> a very popular media player
[07:50] <Razor-X> yeahp
[07:50] <Razor-X> it plays almost anything
[07:51] <Xyc0> awoms
[07:51] <gzllinux> How read the "ubuntu"?
[07:51] <limer> vlc kicks butt
[07:51] <Xyc0> Xine isnt working to well
[07:51] <Plapla> does ubuntu uses APT?
[07:51] <Xyc0> yea
[07:51] <Razor-X> yeah, rather than going through codec/configuring hell, I just use VLC
[07:51] <Razor-X> much easier, and I haven't had a single problem yet
[07:51] <elcu> gzllinux: er, very read?
[07:51] <Mosi> Anyone know of any command-line clients for IRC that are worth using?
[07:51] <Razor-X> reads all the formats i've thrown at it so far: AVI (DivX), MOV, MP3, OGM, and FLAC
[07:51] <gzllinux> ?
[07:52] <elcu> Plapla: apt-get? yes
[07:52] <limer> Mosi, I liked bitch-x
[07:52] <Razor-X> Mosi: BitchX
[07:52] <Razor-X> i'm using it at this very moment over an SSH connection
[07:52] <Plapla> Kvirc
[07:52] <nickrud> Plapla, ubuntu, for all intents and puposes, is debian, so apt, aptitude, etc will ork
[07:52] <Plapla> more user friendly6
[07:52] <Mosi> Razor: thanks. I thought for a second you were calling me osmething :P
[07:52] <limer> can anyone tell me how I can test a PS?  I'll go buy a multimeter if I should
[07:52] <Razor-X> Mosi: heh
[07:52] <Plapla> elcu: thanks
[07:52] <gzllinux> ???????????
[07:53] <Razor-X> it takes a little getting used to, but I just can't go back to GUI clients
[07:53] <Plapla> nickrud: thanks
[07:53] <busyb0ks> Razor-X: nice bot flooding
[07:53] <nickrud> limer, a power supply, you'll need a meter
[07:53] <Razor-X> I got all my keyboard shortcuts bound in my config file
[07:53] <Plapla> cool people over here
[07:53] <Razor-X> busyb0ks: heh
[07:53] <limer> nickrud, I figured.  have a good site that will tell me what pins need to go where?
[07:53] <busyb0ks> and over there
[07:53] <gzllinux> How read the "ubuntu"?
[07:53] <elcu> gzllinux: what was your question?
[07:54] <busyb0ks> u-bun-tu?
[07:54] <elcu> oo-boon-too
[07:54] <geneo93> nickrud:  my bios has test state for psu
[07:54] <nate__> what else can i do about the madwifi drivers??
[07:54] <busyb0ks> u baned too
[07:54] <Razor-X> I pronounce it "ubuntu", but i'm pretty sure it's "uh-buhn-tuh"
[07:55] <Razor-X> at least, that's what my African American friend says
[07:55] <Razor-X> *prounce it "oo-boon-too"
[07:55] <nickrud> limer, probably, but just test everything to ground. It's not rocket science
[07:55] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, it is the monkey distro
[07:55] <Amaranth> i pronounce it 'oo-bun-too'
[07:55] <Burgundavia> oo-boon-too
[07:55] <gzllinux> thank you
[07:55] <elcu> copycats!
[07:55] <FunnyLookinHat_> oh man, ubuntu rocks...  it just automatically read and mounted my flash drive
[07:55] <limer> nickrud, may not be rocket science . . . but *hangs head* I know zero about electricity
[07:55] <Razor-X> FunnyLookinHat_: hah
[07:56] <limer> guess I'd better learn
[07:56] <limer> :)
[07:56] <bob2> we need a .wav of jeff saying it
[07:56] <busyb0ks> hehehehehe i can not breath >_<
[07:56] <nickrud> limer, you're looking for 12v dc+, and 5 v dc+, relative to the chassis. If you have that. your ps is probably good
[07:56] <Madpilot> I'm back, Flash works in Opera now. very cool. MacroMedia's installer is actually pretty painless.
[07:57] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Does ubuntu need a special comand to install VLC other then the one for Debian?
[07:57] <herpes> sup limer
[07:57] <Razor-X> Madpilot: isn't Opera just sexy? ;)
[07:57] <limer> nickrud, I've got a low end Rosewill on the way
[07:57] <limer> hey herpes
[07:57] <Razor-X> Xyc0: make sure you have the extra repos, and then type "sudo apt-get wxvlc"
[07:57] <Razor-X> errr
[07:57] <Razor-X> "sudo apt-get install wxvlc
[07:57] <limer> I shouldn't be up.  damn nap screwin me
[07:58] <Razor-X> I should get to work on my project -_-
[07:58] <nate__> once i run make how can i get it to install to the right location???
[07:58] <Xyc0> Razor-X: thnx
[07:58] <Razor-X> nate__: that should be taken care of in the ./configuerr script
[07:58] <Plapla> anybody here uses an USB modem?
[07:58] <nate__> when i run make install it goes to the wrong place
[07:58] <Razor-X> *./configure
[07:58] <count0nz> anyone try ipV6 Tunnleing ?
[07:58] <Plapla> i am interested in coneccting ubuntu to one of those
[07:58] <Razor-X> well, make installs into the current directory
[07:58] <nickrud> I asked about that,daniel  said oo-boontoo is not totally off the mark
[07:59] <Razor-X> make install puts it where it should be
[07:59] <nate__> there isn't a ./configure script....
[07:59] <nate__> just a makefile
[07:59] <Razor-X> hmmmm.....
[07:59] <nate__> i am trying to compile the madwifi driver cvs
[07:59] <Razor-X> try "make & make install"
[07:59] <Madpilot> Razor-X: very, although I don't think I've ever called prog 'sexy'. Opera 8 really is the best yet.
[07:59] <Fackamato> try
[07:59] <limer> anyone here good with OOo?  I can't seem to get a response in #openoffice.org
[07:59] <Fackamato> ./autogen.sh
[07:59] <Fackamato> or scons
[07:59] <Razor-X> Madpilot"get used to it, I call my trackball sexy ;)
[08:00] <Razor-X> *:
[08:00] <Madpilot> all the power of O7, without some of the irritating cr*p...
[08:00] <nate__> when i did that it installed to /lib/modules/kernel/2.6.10/net instead of /lib/modules/kernel/2.6.10-5-i686
[08:00] <Razor-X> well, I liked a lot of O7's features
[08:00] <elcu> Madpilot: never used a mac before, have you?
[08:00] <Razor-X> is there a "autogen" script, nate__?
[08:00] <Razor-X> elcu: trying to call a Mac "sexy"?
[08:01] <elcu> Razor-X: yes. yes i am.
[08:01] <elcu> :-)
[08:01] <Razor-X> ewwww!!!!
[08:01] <nate__> there is and install.sh script
[08:01] <Razor-X> stay back!!!!
[08:01] <k4rp0r> :P
[08:01] <Mosi> macs are sexy, but that's about it. Speaking as a mac person.
[08:01] <Razor-X> he's gaaayyyy!!!!
[08:01] <nate__> in the patches dir
[08:01] <Razor-X> no, i'm just kidding XD
[08:01] <Madpilot> elcu: nope, before Ubuntu I was a pure Windoze drone...
[08:01] <nate__> i ran that against my kernel sources that i downloaded
[08:01] <Mosi> sexy by definiting meaning to look nice. To say nothing about functionality
[08:01] <elcu> Razor-X: what if i call my mac cheryl?
[08:02] <Razor-X> the reason I don't like Mac is because, they're so innovationless, they had to use a BSD kernel
[08:02] <nate__> but i'm not sure what the difference is with patching and/or compiling a new kernel
[08:02] <Madpilot> looks nice & functions great? ya, then Opera is sexy...
[08:02] <nate__> modules i mean
[08:02] <Razor-X> Mosi: well, I prefer to call sexya whole package"
[08:02] <Razor-X> *sexy
[08:02] <Razor-X> **sexy a
[08:02] <Plapla> thanks people
[08:02] <Plapla> goodbye
[08:02] <Madpilot> FF is just to IE-like for my taste...
[08:02] <Razor-X> elcu: go ahead, name her whatever you want
[08:02] <Madpilot> *too
[08:02] <Razor-X> I can't stand Firefox
[08:02] <nate__> if i make the packages for the 2.6 patches would that mean that i would have to recompile the kernel??
[08:03] <Razor-X> too much hype, too little progress
[08:03] <bob2> Razor-X: please don't troll about macos
[08:03] <Razor-X> they lost sight of the goal in Firefox 0.7
[08:03] <Mosi> Razor: I wasn't really paying attention, i just saw teh word mac and it caught my eye, so i read the one line. I'm multitasking. :)
[08:03] <Razor-X> bob2: i'm not, as yo ucan tell, I dropped the subject ;)
[08:03] <bob2> thanks
[08:03] <Razor-X> Mosi: hah
[08:03] <nickrud> Razor-X, so what do u use instead of firefox?
[08:03] <Razor-X> *you can
[08:03] <Razor-X> i'm not about to get into a holy war on Mac
[08:03] <elcu> Madpilot: agree with the FF point.  i love my mozilla.
[08:03] <Razor-X> Opera and Konqueror
[08:04] <Madpilot> Razor-X: don't forget FF is supposed to not scare IE users - that's it's primary goal, and it's a good goal.
[08:04] <Mosi> Mozilla is nice. And it has IRC built in. I should be using that instead if Ircle, but i'm not for some reason. no good excuse.
[08:04] <nickrud> interesting, I'm using epipany ant the moment
[08:04] <Madpilot> But Opera is actually its own browser, and couldn't give a <bleep> about IE
[08:04] <Mosi> Madpilot: Very good point
[08:04] <Razor-X> I came on to the Firefox bandwagon... when it was not Firefox, nor Firebird, it was a wee little browser called Phoenix
[08:04] <Razor-X> the Firefox team had real drive then
[08:05] <Razor-X> now, I think, the hype's goten to their head
[08:05] <Razor-X> *gotten
[08:05] <Razor-X> but, that's just my opinion
[08:05] <Razor-X> the releases started getting slower, and less feature-packed around 0.5
[08:05] <Razor-X> but, 0.7 was the point when I just _had_ to drop it
[08:06] <Madpilot> what happened @ FF 0.7?
[08:06] <OpenSS> Can anybody help me " Problem connecting to tracker - <urlopen error (10061, 'Connection refused')"
[08:06] <Razor-X> well, I believe (if I remember correctly) that was the second namechange release
[08:06] <holycow> i think they are a pretty solid bunch of devs, ff is a lot like ie but it got populare because it was VERY fast in comparison to moz at about 1.0
[08:06] <OpenSS> I'm trying to download ubuntu DVD
[08:06] <Razor-X> and, basically, they made me wait about 2-3 months to add two features
[08:06] <nickrud> Razor-X, you must have been paying more attention than I to the details, got a pointer or two?
[08:07] <holycow> it even rendered faster some things than i.e.
[08:07] <holycow> thats mostly why people gave it a try
[08:07] <bob2> OpenSS: the tracker is down then, or your isp is blocking it
[08:07] <Razor-X> nickrud: eh? ;) sorry
[08:07] <Razor-X> yeah, but Opera's lighter and faster than FF
[08:07] <nickrud> Razor-X, bad question, badly phrased, so please ignore :)
[08:07] <Razor-X> even the forum people on FF's forums acknowledge that
[08:07] <OpenSS> bob2 : how do I find out which one it is tracker or isp
[08:07] <Razor-X> nickrud: heh
[08:08] <geneo91> ping it
[08:08] <count0nz> FF Beats Opra easy i tyed 8.0 and it was allmost as fast as FF but i like FF better
[08:08] <holycow> Razor-X, it definately is, infact i still install oo on very old toshiba laptops, like p166's wit 32 megs of ram or whatever
[08:08] <nickrud> Razor-X, it happens
[08:08] <nalioth> opera is not opensource
[08:08] <Razor-X> count0nz: you mean, with a billion extensions, it's _still_ faster?
[08:08] <holycow> opera absolutely rocks even on the shittiest hardware
[08:08] <nalioth> goodnight
[08:08] <Razor-X> nalioth: sometimes, OSS isn't the best option, IMO
[08:08] <count0nz> Razor-X, just don't install what you don't need :)
[08:09] <Razor-X> although, I tend to drift to as open a license I can, if something just screams functionality, I take it
[08:09] <holycow> Razor-X, in my opinion oss is insurance i'm willing to put up with
[08:09] <Madpilot> Opera is good right out of the box; I think FF could be as good if I spent a week fiddling w/ plugins...
[08:09] <Razor-X> count0nz: but I _want_ all the extensions, they just take much more RAM in FF
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi holycow.
[08:09] <holycow> hey dude :)
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) im back
[08:10] <count0nz> Razor-X, i havent realy played with all the extentions :) i was commenting on out of the box expereence :)
[08:10] <Razor-X> that, and on a 256 box (like mine), a 15 tab session in Firefox hogs _waaaay_ more RAM than a 15 tab Opera session does
[08:10] <Razor-X> count0nz: heh, I see
[08:10] <Razor-X> yeah, the main turnoff for me was memory usage
[08:10] <count0nz> Razor-X, :) np
[08:10] <Razor-X> and, I love tabs
[08:10] <Razor-X> just adore them
[08:10] <holycow> Razor-X, that definately is an issue, im starting to notice it
[08:11] <count0nz> TAB's are a must
[08:11] <geneo93> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ someone check this site
[08:11] <holycow> however i haveto really say that before firefox i viewed only 1 page at a time
[08:11] <Razor-X> yeah, but I have about 10-21 at any one session
[08:11] <Razor-X> and so, Konqueror works best there
[08:11] <holycow> so 15 at a time now is kinda asking the software to do a whole lot more than it was originally envisioned for
[08:11] <Razor-X> it can handle 15 tabs without even pausing for breath
[08:11] <geneo93> k itsd back
[08:11] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, I guess my needs are a bit esoteric
[08:12] <holycow> not really, i'm just pointing out peoples habits changed based on options given to them by software
[08:12] <geneo93> wow it just failed again
[08:12] <Razor-X> I was always a multiple page user
[08:12] <holycow> which in turn drives the software development in other directions then entirely intended
[08:12] <holycow> its a neat feedback loop
[08:12] <Madpilot> holycow: great point, actually.
[08:12] <Razor-X> just, I viewed much _less_ pages before I entered tabbed browsing
[08:12] <pppoe_dude> anybody familiar with laptop-mode here?
[08:12] <holycow> you weren't with ie
[08:12] <Razor-X> I was, but not for too long
[08:12] <elcu> Another sticking point with me.  I hate how FF doesn't give focus to the newly opened tab.
[08:13] <holycow> i seriously doubt you were alt tabbing between multiple windows on win98
[08:13] <Razor-X> elcu: yeah, me tee
[08:13] <nickrud> Razor-X, what's opera's footprint these days?
[08:13] <hhurtta> elcu: it can be changed
[08:13] <Razor-X> although, I hear there's an extension for that
[08:13] <Razor-X> *too
[08:13] <pppoe_dude> how come i'm changing laptop-mode.conf but nothing is actually changing?
[08:13] <count0nz> elcu, thats an option
[08:13] <Madpilot> I've been an Opera user since O 4.xx, so when FF announced tabs there was little excitement here...
[08:13] <Razor-X> nickrud lemme see
[08:13] <bob2> pppoe_dude: you'd need to reboot, possibly
[08:13] <Mosi> Anyone know an offsite mirror for the Hoary Live CD for PPC? I'm having trouble downloading from the Ubuntu site
[08:13] <bob2> pppoe_dude: what are you trying to change?
[08:13] <pppoe_dude> bob2, at first it seemed to work, but when i rebooted it seems to do nothing...
[08:14] <nickrud> I ask becauxse I've got 256M, and epiphany does everthing but one thing for me
[08:14] <Mosi> never mind, got a download from Europe working
[08:14] <pppoe_dude> bob2, i need to change the max cpu freq and hd idle time
[08:14] <Razor-X> with about 12 tabs, it's about 289
[08:14] <pppoe_dude> and i changed them in laptop-mode.conf
[08:14] <pppoe_dude> then stopped it and restarted
[08:14] <bob2> note that you can't usefully read ram usage from top or system-monitor or whatever
[08:14] <nickrud> Raskall, 289M, and how much of that is threads, and how much is resident?
[08:14] <Razor-X> yeah, I know
[08:14] <elcu> count0nz, hhurtta: ok, didn't know that. :-)  maybe we should drop the browser chit-chat though.
[08:15] <Razor-X> you beat Razor-X?
[08:15] <holycow> btw, today i realized the ultimate tool for system restoration if you are onsite, is having a copy of ubuntu/debian installed on a removable hd.  the amount of tools you can store and config to be ready for any eventuality is amazing, and the bloody thing will boot on almost any hardware
[08:15] <Xyc0> Wow I am having alot of trouble just installing VLC
[08:15] <nickrud> holycow, welcome :)
[08:15] <Razor-X> Xyc0: eh, why?
[08:15] <Xyc0> Dependency hell keeps kicking me in the ass
[08:15] <Razor-X> *mean
[08:15] <holycow> nickrud, :)
[08:15] <pppoe_dude> it's not capping the CPU anymore, and i want it to...
[08:15] <bob2> Xyc0: you're installing packages from outside ubuntu then
[08:15] <Razor-X> Xyc0: you _are_ using apt-get, rigt?
[08:15] <bob2> that will break things
[08:16] <Xyc0> yea
[08:16] <bob2> pppoe_dude: surely that's a powernowd config option?
[08:16] <pppoe_dude> i actually have an intel
[08:16] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install wxvlc
[08:16] <Razor-X> should work
[08:16] <Razor-X> it worked on a _KDE_ box
[08:16] <pppoe_dude> and it seemed to work at first...
[08:16] <Razor-X> that's the first time I got GTK2
[08:16] <bob2> pppoe_dude: powernowde works on intel cpus, too
[08:16] <bob2> pppoe_dude: this isn't a p4, is it?
[08:16] <pppoe_dude> no... centrino
[08:17] <k4rp0r> gah, today is mother language test...
[08:17] <pppoe_dude> but i also need laptop-mode to control harddisk spindown...
[08:17] <pppoe_dude> argh...
[08:17] <bob2> pppoe_dude: right, but you have both installed
[08:17] <nickrud> holycow, someday I'll take the time to create my own personal cd, until then it's lnx-bbc :)
[08:17] <Xyc0> Razor-X: I tried to send you the error
[08:17] <holycow> http://www.interstructures.com/index.html  <-- another reason why i hate windows users, even their admins are too stupid/lazy to learn anything new
[08:17] <elcu> Mosi: IIRC, there are a few mirrors around
[08:17] <Mosi> Xyc0: I've run in to that a number of times. I like the idea of the way APT works, but in practice it gives me a lot of trouble. One time i spent a whole day racking my brains to figure out why i couldn't find a suitable package for Wine, only to eventually learn that there is no Wine available on PPC
[08:18] <holycow> nickrud, cd's are too restrictive, and require quite a bit of technical know how to create so they are universally bootable
[08:18] <Burgundavia> Mosi, why is that a fault of apt?
[08:18] <Razor-X> are your repos the one in the guide, Xyc0?
[08:18] <pppoe_dude> this is onle line in laptop-mode.conf >>> CPU_MAXFREQ=800000
[08:18] <theoco> Anyone know how i can get an ubuntu install cd with lots of features, ie mplayer, flash, win32codecs, ...
[08:18] <pppoe_dude> it should work!!
[08:18] <holycow> nickrud, debian/ubuntu is probably the most flexible config i've ever run into
[08:18] <anon_> hey all
[08:18] <Xyc0> Razor-X: What do you mean?
[08:18] <nickrud> holycow, I must agree
[08:18] <Razor-X> Xyc0: is this an out-of-the-box install?
[08:18] <anon_> i have 2 data partitions on which i store files
[08:19] <theoco> I want to give ubuntu to a friend who doesn't have internet.  But not supporting mp3's easy way to make him hate it
[08:19] <Xyc0> Razor-X: yes
[08:19] <Mosi> Burgun: That particular issue isn't, it's just one of the ways i've wasted time with it. I've run into a million dependancy issues with APT that take forever to fix
[08:19] <anon_> they are mounted in ubuntu but i cannot create new files or delete existing ones due to permission problems
[08:19] <Razor-X> Xyc0: hah, you didn't sound like a n00b ;)
[08:19] <anon_> any ideas?
[08:19] <Razor-X> go http://ubuntuguide.org/ and add the extra repositories
[08:19] <elcu> theoco: IIRC, there's an unofficial addon CD
[08:19] <Razor-X> follow the instructions
[08:19] <Xyc0> Razor-X: just converted from fc4
[08:19] <nickrud> holycow, and know some knowledgeable people are working on making custom bootable cds based on debian, so, ...
[08:19] <theoco> elcu: oh oh where?
[08:19] <anon_> i have 2 data partitions on which i store files
[08:19] <aneurin> holycow,  aye, I'm pretty impressed, especially with how ubuntu has come together; and that's hard for me to say 'cuz I'm a die hard debian fan usually :)
[08:19] <Razor-X> ahhh, that explains it
[08:20] <anon_> they are mounted in ubuntu but i cannot create new files or delete existing ones due to permission problems
[08:20] <anon_> any ideas?
[08:20] <nickrud> soon
[08:20] <elcu> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnofficialUbuntu504AddOnCD
[08:20] <Razor-X> errr actually
[08:20] <Razor-X> it would be http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:20] <elcu> anon_: what filesystem?
[08:20] <theoco> elcu: thanks alot!
[08:20] <cyphase> whats info about an unofficial product doing on the official site
[08:20] <cyphase> ?
[08:20] <cyphase> ;)
[08:20] <elcu> NTFS is readonly
[08:20] <holycow> aneurin, i'm a debian zealot my self, i appreciate the 6 month 'back to the source luke' ness of ubuntu, and submitting back patches too
[08:20] <anon_> the 2 partitions in question are vfat
[08:20] <Razor-X> yeah, for Xyc0, it would be http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:21] <_simple> bob2: i just did a reinstall of "yelp" and firefox was left alone (:
[08:21] <anon_> i can access what is in them, i just cannot modify the data
[08:21] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Thanks, ill play with that for a sec
[08:21] <holycow> aneurin, if ubuntu even remotely strays into the permanent fork waters, i'm going back to debian
[08:21] <Razor-X> have fun
[08:21] <elcu> theoco: np. another ubuntu addict on the way. :-)
[08:21] <aneurin> holycow, aye certainly
[08:21] <pppoe_dude> what's the easiest way to cap my CPU?
[08:21] <cyphase> pppoe_dude, a Magnum
[08:21] <nickrud> holycow, we need to make that more explcit: ubuntu will be debian
[08:21] <cyphase> or maybe a double barrel shotgun
[08:22] <pppoe_dude> seriously
[08:22] <cyphase> lol
[08:22] <Razor-X> wow, I haven't helped this much in a tech-support channel in ages
[08:22] <Razor-X> last time was in #knoppix
[08:22] <pppoe_dude> i need it to go to MAX 1000Mhz, and its max is now 1.6ghz
[08:22] <theoco> elcu: do you know if it has win32codecs by chance?
[08:22] <pppoe_dude> laptop-mode isnot working for me
[08:22] <nickrud> or, at least sync'd with etch
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> hey all
[08:23] <aneurin> holycow, I'm probably going to go back to debian anyway since this was just an emergency install of the first thing I could get my hands on. I can't seem to shake my own personal preference-- but for a more 'mainstream' feeling distribution I'm finding it very impressive