[15:01] <cyphermox> o/
[15:01] <sil2100> \o
[15:01] <pitti> o/
[15:03]  * sil2100 can't get on mumble
[15:03] <chiluk> o/
[15:03]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <robru> o/
[15:03] <tdaitx> \o
[15:04] <infinity> o/ ish
[15:04] <caribou> \o
[15:05] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 31 15:05:06 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk)
[15:05] <slangasek> infinity barry tdaitx robru xnox caribou doko sil2100 slangasek chiluk bdmurray pitti cyphermox
[15:05] <cyphermox> ouh, last
[15:05] <infinity> slangasek: Gimme a few minutes, just woke up. :P
[15:05] <slangasek> ok
[15:05] <slangasek> no barry?
[15:05] <slangasek> tdaitx: you want to go first?
[15:06] <tdaitx> * JCK 8
[15:06] <tdaitx>    - Down to 4 runtime failures (3 locale, 1 ssl, 1 graphical/opacity)
[15:06] <tdaitx>    - Tested various window managers under Xvfb, dummy Xorg, and Xpra; wmaker so far has the fewest intermittent failures under Xvfb or Xorg (still requires one or two additional runs to get everything to pass)
[15:06] <tdaitx>    - Setup Xpra to improve interactive tests (automatic sound redirection)
[15:06] <tdaitx>    - Improving scripts to handle both JCK 7 and JCK 8
[15:06] <tdaitx> * JCK 7
[15:06] <tdaitx>    - A bit over 20 failures on runtime (waiting to redeploy the environment with additional fixes and integration with from the JCK 8 scripts)
[15:06] <tdaitx> * Checked OpenJDK 8 build failure on arm64; tracked down to missing #includes on an earlier changeset
[15:06] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:06] <robru> short week due to easter
[15:06] <robru> - chased down some issues related to the recent dpkg-buildpackage speedups in the train
[15:06] <robru>   * pre_release_hook conversion for media-hub and trust-store
[15:06] <robru> - began working on further GLES automation in the train (in progress)
[15:06] <robru> (done)
[15:07] <doko> tdaitx, in the past I used twm (or still using it for the packages)
[15:07] <xnox> hello
[15:07] <xnox> !skip
[15:08] <xnox> caribou, go =)
[15:08] <caribou>  Bugfix :
[15:08] <caribou>  - opencontrail panic
[15:08] <caribou>    Invesitage Juniper support
[15:08] <caribou>  - LP: #1546260 - kexec-tools purgatory failure on PowerPC64
[15:08] <caribou>    Uploaded test package to PPA
[15:08] <caribou>  Development work:
[15:08] <caribou>  - DEP8 tests for makedumpfile
[15:08] <caribou>    Finalized first pass
[15:08] <caribou>  - Kernel crash dump enablement on s390
[15:08] <caribou>    Investigating zfcpdump
[15:08] <caribou>  - vsftpd DEP8 regression
[15:08] <caribou>    Pursueing Debian bug #819546
[15:08] <caribou>  Misc:
[15:08] <caribou>  - clamav setup & debug
[15:08] <caribou>  ☑ Done
[15:09] <tdaitx> doko: yes, I used twm, fluxbox, and wmaker... I was getting too many intermitent failures with twm
[15:10] <xnox> was out last week, plus this is a short week due to pagan holidays.
[15:10] <xnox> beta-2: testing, test report, shipped by dannf, all good
[15:10] <xnox> beta-programme: responding to inquiries, kicked off community too
[15:10] <xnox> responding to bug mail / fixing things: uploaded netcfg, s390-dasd|zfcp, looking into ftbfs regressions
[15:10] <xnox> upstreamish: send trivial patch for openssh, updated germinate/curtin merge proposals
[15:10] <xnox> done
[15:10] <slangasek> infinity: you ready now?
[15:11] <infinity> * Very short week, due to 4-day weekend:
[15:11] <infinity>   - Rename powerpc-utils and powerpc-ibm-utils in Debian, merging to Ubuntu soon
[15:11] <infinity>   - Update librtas and powerpc-utils to new upstream, with some local fixes
[15:11] <infinity>   - Work on glibc security updates
[15:11] <infinity>   - New tzdata version updates
[15:11] <infinity>   - Investigate glib2.0/s390x failures, still ongoing
[15:11] <infinity>   - Lots and lots of queue reviews and a bit of mentoring to go with
[15:11] <infinity> (done)
[15:11] <doko> - openjdk-6 and openjdk-7 removal
[15:11] <doko> - fixing build failures
[15:11] <doko> - transitions: qwt,
[15:11] <doko> - gcc-5 update, updating from the IBM branch
[15:11] <doko> - various +1 maintenance work
[15:11] <doko> (done)
[15:12] <sil2100> - Shorter week due to national holidays
[15:12] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:12] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:12] <sil2100> - Quick meetings about the joiner buddy program in Canonical
[15:12] <sil2100> - Turbo enablement
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Preparing an emergency snapshot for the team to build factory image
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Re-spinning images with different custom/device tarball combinations
[15:12] <sil2100>   * (more re-spins coming)
[15:12] <sil2100> - OTA-10
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Tracking required landings, coordinating custom tarball releases
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Spin a new custom tarball for BQ-channel mako with new apps per request
[15:12] <sil2100> - Touch language packs:
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Changing exports to Fridays, langpack-o-matic to few hours later
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Look into why we're missing some languages in touch (missing potemplate stats)
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Manual spins of translations
[15:12] <sil2100> - Clean-up in assigned bugs
[15:12] <sil2100> - Quick preliminary look at the system-image charm
[15:12] <sil2100> - Documenting click-package staging with the lock mechanism
[15:12] <sil2100> - Booking flights for sprint
[15:12] <sil2100> - Seed changes per product team request
[15:12] <sil2100> - Various work and tweaks on some LT tools (safe-copy and snapshotter)
[15:12] <sil2100> (done)
[15:13] <chiluk> slangasek you're up.
[15:13] <slangasek> yes
[15:15] <slangasek>  * short week, off last Friday
[15:15] <slangasek>  * php sponsorships x 300
[15:15] <slangasek>  * proposed-migration cleanups
[15:15] <slangasek>  * NEW reviews, FFe processing for 16.04
[15:15] <slangasek>  * head-scratching over the 14.04 SIGKILL-the-world upgrader bug, bug #1555237
[15:15] <slangasek>  * nudging launchpad team about scalingstack builders being out of date, possibly caused a build failure due to a kernel bug
[15:15] <slangasek>  * nudging people about archive reorg changes
[15:15] <slangasek> (done)
[15:15] <chiluk> - Worked a bit on bug 1012629.  Determined the issue to be a bios/efi one at least for me.
[15:15] <chiluk> - Snappy stuffs.
[15:15] <chiluk> - Some more Vacation *(i.e. moving).
[15:15] <chiluk> - done -
[15:16] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:16] <bdmurray> backfilled BucketVersionsCount in real cassandra DB
[15:16] <bdmurray> fixed (combined FirstSeen, LastSeen) BucketMetadata in real cassandra DB
[15:16] <bdmurray> setup local Errors frontend to point at new cassandra DB
[15:16] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have mojo spec reviewed
[15:16] <bdmurray> made modifications to mojo spec based off reviewer feedback
[15:16] <bdmurray> confirmed rsync access to apport's duplicate db works
[15:16] <bdmurray> modified component-mismatch MIR bug creator to do more stuff
[15:16] <bdmurray> opened some MIR bug reports
[15:16] <bdmurray> sprint travel arrangements
[15:16] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:16] <pitti> only a 2-day week (plus some extra hacking over holiday)
[15:16] <pitti> autopkgtgest:
[15:16] <pitti>  - add testbed package list to artifacts.tar.gz (#1559629)
[15:16] <pitti>  - fix retries for silos when corresponding Ubuntu release does not have any result for given package (#1544917)
[15:16] <pitti>  - some post-holiday maintenance, update armhf boxes
[15:16] <pitti>  - britney: add some more tests
[15:16] <pitti> ddebs.u.c.:
[15:16] <pitti>  - analyze ddeb-eating issue from last week, add working --regenerate-all option, refresh indexes for new GPG key/hash algorithm (#1558823)
[15:16] <pitti>  - add xz index compression, by request from Colin (#1559987)
[15:16] <pitti>  - prepare for Packages.bz2 disappearing from master Ubuntu archive
[15:16] <pitti> distro:
[15:16] <pitti>  - cmake: clean up merge, sponsor (#1534263)
[15:16] <pitti>  - debug why libpam-systemd is missing in a ppc64el server install, fix seeds (#1561658)
[15:17] <pitti>  - investigate deadlock with lots of LVMs, some experiments wrt. fixing watershed, create watershed tests; eventually opted for fixing lvm2 (#1560710)
[15:17] <pitti>  - PostgreSQL: prepare new upstream security/bug fix releases for all supported Ubuntu releases (#1564268)
[15:17] <pitti> misc:
[15:17] <pitti>  - help Saviq with getting access to scalingstack instance for debugging unity8 failure
[15:17] <pitti> (END)
[15:17] <cyphermox> xenial:
[15:17] <cyphermox> - finishing network-manager updates for FFE
[15:17] <cyphermox> - investigating ubiquity crashes (bug LP: #1551285)
[15:17] <cyphermox> - minor libcxl fixes
[15:17] <cyphermox> - ubiquity oem-config fixes (network and users) (bug LP: #1508865, bug LP: #1552621)
[15:17] <cyphermox> other stuff:
[15:17] <cyphermox> - I am in upgrade testing hell
[15:17] <cyphermox> - Secure Boot /efi/boot paths on broken firmware
[15:17] <cyphermox> - add u-r-u quirk for dbus's setuid helper permissions
[15:17] <cyphermox> - upgrade testing w/ timetravel (bug LP: #1555237)
[15:17] <cyphermox>   - includes setup time for said timetravel w/ meta-release
[15:17] <cyphermox> - systemtap tracing signals on upgrade
[15:17] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:18] <bdmurray> timetravel?
[15:19] <cyphermox> yeah, some code I stole from cjwatson with minimal changes so that you can pick at the archive's state at a specific date
[15:19] <slangasek> cyphermox: hmm. the NM from the FFe has not landed yet?
[15:19] <cyphermox> slangasek: no, it has not
[15:19] <slangasek> FFes normally expire once we hit final beta
[15:20] <cyphermox> slangasek: the work is useful anyway, it will be ready for next cycle
[15:20] <slangasek> ok; is someone (desktop team?) expecting this still for 16.04?
[15:20] <cyphermox> I don't know, I'm certainly not getting much help
[15:20] <slangasek> cyphermox: re: upgrade testing, did you get a handle on systemtap for this?
[15:20] <cyphermox> bdmurray https://github.com/cyphermox/apt-mirror
[15:21] <cyphermox> slangasek: yes, I have output from a stap script, hold on
[15:21] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15568151/
[15:21] <cyphermox> it does show that systemd-udevd goes on a murder spree
[15:21] <infinity> Whee.
[15:21]  * xnox bets that cjwatson's traveler is based on my traveler which is based on tumbleweed's traveler
[15:22] <slangasek> cyphermox: ah, so it is udev that's doing it
[15:22] <cyphermox> xnox: quite likely, which is also based on some other thing from some other people
[15:22] <slangasek> cyphermox: maybe you want to grab pitti in to help with this?
[15:22] <pitti> udisks2.postinst does this: udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=block --action=change
[15:22] <pitti> which at least connects updating udisks to some udev activity
[15:22] <cyphermox> already pinged
[15:22] <slangasek> ok
[15:22] <pitti> but this still  looks a bit weird -- why would dbus-deaemon send SIGKILLs too?
[15:22] <xnox> because dbus activation timedout....
[15:23] <xnox> (dbus is a mini-init)
[15:23] <slangasek> alrighty, any other questions over status?
[15:24] <cjwatson> timetravel> it sure is
[15:24] <slangasek> and tumbleweed's traveler is based on tumbleweed's traveler is based on tumbleweed's traveler?
[15:24] <cjwatson> FYI the archive reorg status is that I have a couple of LP branches up for review to add a flag which changes build-dep resolution behaviour, and xnox's germinate branch is probably OK now though I need to take another look after I get the LP stuff reviewed
[15:24] <slangasek> \o/
[15:24] <cjwatson> if all goes well it should be possible to roll it out early next week
[15:25] <cjwatson> I'm guessing that if it's after next week, it's too late for 16.04
[15:25] <infinity> cjwatson: Yay.  I've been intentionally merging my packages with main/universe build-dep deltas at lower-than-Debian versions, so I can sync when that lands. :)
[15:25] <cjwatson> and the security team will hate me forever
[15:25] <slangasek> cjwatson: we still have component-mismatches in the current report that we are NOT "fixing" for 16.04 :)
[15:25] <slangasek> nodejs is blacklisted from main
[15:25] <slangasek> because of its known Communist sympathies
[15:26]  * xnox TRUMP
[15:26] <xnox> slangasek, he is a Communist right?
[15:26] <infinity> Not last I checked.
[15:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:27] <xnox> infinity, btw that systemctl bug looks like a libsystemd dbus / kdbus serialisation/deserialisation library bug
[15:27] <xnox> ....
[15:28] <infinity> Nifty.
[15:28] <infinity> Does it appear to have any actual runtime effect, or just hilarious cosmetic effect?
[15:30] <slangasek> apparently it has the runtime effect of making xnox disappear
[15:31] <xnox> infinity, pretty sure any uint communication between any *ctl clients and systemd is borked
[15:31] <infinity> Awesome.
[15:32] <xnox> but e.g. gdbus client over dbus1 daemon does work correctly
[15:32] <slangasek> ok, anything else?
[15:33] <sil2100> uh
[15:34] <pitti> xnox: do you have some details about that? bug report or so?
[15:34] <infinity> sil2100: That's how I feel too.
[15:35] <infinity> pitti: My "bug report" was just an IRC ping consisting of "wtf lol" and:
[15:35] <infinity> ● z13-028
[15:35] <infinity>     State: running
[15:35] <infinity>      Jobs:<PHONE_NUMBER> queued
[15:35] <infinity>    Failed:<PHONE_NUMBER> units
[15:35] <sil2100> That's how I feel all week
[15:35] <xnox> pitti, filing one now. will link
[15:37] <infinity> pitti: Obviously an endian bug, both from the hilariously large representations of "0", and that I see it on both s390 and powerpc.
[15:37] <pitti> *nod*
[15:40] <xnox> pitti, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2927
[15:40] <xnox> infinity, but i like that pid1 has the right value, and reports the right thing over system dbus1
[15:46] <slangasek> alrighty, seems we're at and end
[15:46] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 15:46:13 2016 UTC.
[15:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-31-15.05.moin.txt
[15:46] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:46] <caribou> slangasek: thanks!
[15:48] <pitti> xnox: confirmed, I'll look
[15:49] <xnox> pitti, was there a cli dbus tool but shipped by systemd...?
[15:50] <xnox> something like gdbus, but better (using libsystemd et.al)
[15:50] <pitti> xnox: busctl, yes
[15:50] <pitti> xnox: see the issue followup that I just wrote
[15:51] <pitti> xnox: functionally it's more or less the same, but the command completion really rocks
[15:53] <xnox> busctl get-property org.freedesktop.systemd1 /org/freedesktop/systemd1 org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager NJobs
[15:53] <xnox> works fine


[21:19] <morri> i  want to create a botbale usb stick, but everytime i try to partition the stick or do just anything to it is says permission denied
[21:19] <ikonia> shade34321: or just do a "mount" and see if home is already mounted
[21:19] <shade34321> would df just work?
[21:20] <Somelauw> Something that bothers me about the standard repository is that most software in it is actually outdated.
[21:20] <toutouille> ola, quelqu'un veut bien me répondre svp ???
[21:20] <ikonia> shade34321: df can trigger an automount, but if that is what you are comfortable with, sure
[21:20] <Alderlane> How do I remove the 'write protection' on a USB Thumb Drive ?   There are two partitions '/dev/sr2' and '/dev/sdg' and "there can be only one"..  :)
[21:20] <guntbert> !fr > toutouille
[21:20] <Somelauw> toutouille: try #ubuntu-fr
[21:20] <shade34321> ikonia, it doesn't matter to me. I didn't know it triggered an automount.
[21:21] <toutouille> ah merci, justement je ne sais pas me connecter à internet
[21:21] <rsainz> is posible, but the two methods work
[21:21] <ikonia> shade34321: (it depends if/how you are using auto mapper, I suspect you are not using it at all, however as we don't know at this stage, I'm just using something I know won't trigger it)
[21:22] <shade34321> ikonia, and if it's not mounted do you have any other suggestions? I probably won't be able to test this out today and possible for a week...their computers run 24/7 for simulations
[21:22] <toutouille> je ne sais déjà pas comment j'ai fait pour arriver ici d'ailleurs !
[21:22] <toutouille> je dois configurer quelque chose mais quoi ?
[21:23] <morri> and what does this ,ean?
[21:23] <morri> Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sdb' (use -I to override)
[21:23] <ikonia> shade34321: if it's not mounted, there are many things that can be the problem, eg: something locking /home as it's "in use" would be a common reason (hence the reboot test) or the nfs server not responding within 14 seconds
[21:24] <Natherul> ikonia: that just made me (after a reboot) get stuck in a black screen and its stuck on checking battery state
[21:24] <trever420> !paste
[21:24] <ikonia> Natherul: interesting, that's suggesting to me the current nvidia module isn't compatible with your card
[21:24] <Sebastien> !pastebinit
[21:24] <ikonia> Natherul: boot into fail safe mode and remove the driver line
[21:26] <shade34321> ikonia, I forgot I had another ubuntu machine that is having the same issue. I'm going to see if anybody is using that one right now and if not reboot
[21:26] <shade34321> *it
[21:26] <Alderlane> GUess I need to try another IRC client...  no  one seems to be able to see my questions from THIS one...
[21:26] <Guest15502> why i am getting segmentation fault like this? [ 2911.637522] vlc[2695]: segfault at 60896 ip 00060896 sp b73ff15c error 4 in libvlccore.so.4.0.2[110000+e4000]
[21:26] <Guest15502> [ 2912.524163] vlc[2703]: segfault at 60896 ip 00060896 sp b72ff15c error 4 in libasound.so.2.0.0[110000+c7000]
[21:26] <Guest15502> [ 2953.603678] vlc[2711]: segfault at 60896 ip 00060896 sp b737e15c error 4 in libm-2.13.so[110000+24000]
[21:27] <Guest15502> can anyone fix my problem
[21:28] <Guest15502> $ dmesg|tail
[21:28] <Guest15502> [ 2304.277600] vlc[2541]: segfault at 60896 ip 00060896 sp b745415c error 4 in libdvdnav_plugin.so[110000+a000]
[21:28] <Guest15502> [ 2670.013034] vlc[2634]: segfault at 60896 ip 00060896 sp b73ff15c error 4 in libpthread-2.13.so[110000+15000]
[21:28] <ikonia> Guest15502: please stop that
[21:28] <ikonia> Guest15502: you are flooding the channel, and you've already shown us that info
[21:28] <Guest15502> ikonia does this mean a hardware failure
[21:28] <ikonia> Guest15502: please use a pastebin if you need to share information
[21:28] <ikonia> Guest15502: do you understand ?
[21:29] <toutouille> i no understand no english i
[21:29] <ikonia> toutouille: what language ?
[21:29] <toutouille> francais
[21:29] <Natherul> ikonia: im such a nab here, whats the command or whatnot to exit and save file in sudoedit? i usually use gedit
[21:29] <ikonia> !fr | toutouille
[21:30] <Guest15502> Natherul use vi editor, :wq to save and exit
[21:30] <AlderLane> Let's try THIS one...
[21:30] <ikonia> Natherul: you need to launch the editor with root permissions, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:30] <toutouille> merci d'avoir répondu, je vais essayer. Tanks you
[21:31] <Natherul> ikonia: well in recovery mode so gedit is out of the question atm
[21:31] <Somelauw> Natherul: start it by doing: EDITOR=nano sudoedit
[21:31] <Somelauw> Then it should use nano
[21:31] <ikonia> Natherul: you are already root in recovery mode, you should just be able to use nano on the file
[21:31] <Somelauw> Which shows commands at the bottum
[21:31] <ikonia> Natherul: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:31] <AlderLane> How do I remove the 'write protection' on a USB Thumb Drive ?   There are two partitions '/dev/sr2' and '/dev/sdg' on the one physical device.   I believe it is -ro because it was created under winXP which I have since DELETED!
[21:32] <marcus_> Do I just jump in to ask a question?
[21:32] <danileigh79> how do I get an autostart.desktop bash file to run as sudo without moving it to /rc.?
[21:32] <AlderLane> If I can get this 'write protection' off the Thumb drive, I'll try creating a rescue 'disk'.
[21:32] <dryicebomb> marcus_: yes
[21:32] <danileigh79> how do I get an autostart.desktop bash file to run as sudo without moving it to /etc/rc.local
[21:33] <shade34321> AlderLane, I'm not sure if this will help but have you tried using gparted with it to reformat it?
[21:33] <shade34321> or is there stuff on it you want?
[21:33] <marcus_> I just did the "pushed" update and now my mouse pointer is all screwed up. Tried logging out, tried restarting, tried total shut down and reboot and nothing fixes it.
[21:34] <marcus_> I "think" I am running Unity as that's what's "out of the box" for 11.10
[21:34] <Natherul> ikonia: well im in again on the regular ubuntu, i guess I wont be able to get gnome-shell currently then? unless i fully ignore the prop drivers?
[21:34] <ablyss> danileigh79, what does the script do?
[21:35] <AlderLane> Shade34321: not installed on this Slack Box..  The problem is on my Ubuntu 'Book which I can not get access to until I have the rescue 'disk'.   I will see if 'gparted' is available for the Slack (12.2) box.
[21:35] <dryicebomb> danileigh79: how are you starting the script? through cron or through startup applications?
[21:35] <Somelauw> Can anyone tell me why this ppa doesn't work https://launchpad.net/~maglione-k/+archive/ppa
[21:35] <CXIV> What is the name of package that contain ubuntu wifi drivers?
[21:35] <ikonia> Natherul: well, some more research will be needed to find out the minimum nvidia module version that supports your card
[21:35] <shade34321> AlderLane, Ok.
[21:35] <ikonia> Somelauw: contact the PPA owner
[21:35] <AlderLane> brb
[21:35] <danileigh79> ablyss: #!/bin/bash sudo modprobe b43
[21:35] <Somelauw> It says  W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/maglione-k/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[21:36] <danileigh79> dryicebomb: #!/bin/bash sudo modprobe b43
[21:36] <ikonia> Somelauw: the PPA maintainer can help you
[21:36] <Natherul> ikonia: well now your way out of what I know what to do :P
[21:36] <lorddelta> ...I have an issue where p7zip is scanning and attempting to archive stuff that I try opening...this was happening before under gnome, disturbingly I thought it'd gone away, switched to kde recently, and it came back. Where would I look (besides /etc/initrc) for configuration files that would, for instance, attempt to open p7zip whenever I inserted and mounted a usb drive?
[21:37] <danileigh79> ablyss: trying to make my wi-fi adapter activate automatically when I boot into ubuntu instead of typing it into terminal everytime I boot the machine
[21:37] <Somelauw> ikonia: Are you this is the fault of the ppa owner? Contacting him does take some time and maybe he won't answer.
[21:37] <ikonia> Natherul: I've not got a ton of time at the moment, but if you look on nvidia.com (look - don't download and install) at the linux drivers they will tell you which cards are supported in the versions
[21:37] <lorddelta> At the moment p7zip is purged from the system, so I get nice little notifications every time I try and mount a drive in kde telling me it can't find it.
[21:37] <ikonia> Somelauw: that is the risk of using a PPA
[21:38] <lorddelta> Anyone have a clue?
[21:38] <Somelauw> I read about the instructions here: https://launchpad.net/~maglione-k/+archive/ppa
[21:38] <ikonia> Somelauw: contact the PPA owner and ask him for help
[21:38] <marcus_> This is the same silence I got on "ask ubuntu" earlier.
[21:39] <yakc> please, help. i need to re-create minimize all normal windows keyboard shortcut. what is the command to do so?
[21:40] <dryicebomb> danileigh79: you can try adding your script to roots crontab, sudo crontab -e , then put "@reboot /home/user/script.sh" also, make sure your script is executable
[21:40] <yakc> i will have to make it custom because the one i have in shortcuts/navigation isn't working.
[21:40] <none> hello
[21:40] <_Marcus> Hi
[21:40] <none> hey
[21:40] <marcus_> anyone know why my mouse pointer is all screwed up and won't change?
[21:40] <_Marcus> !shortcuts | yakc
[21:40] <none> how do i install wine on ubuntu 10.04
[21:41] <danileigh79> dryicebomb: none sudo apt-get wine
[21:41] <none> thanks
[21:41] <noverta> lorddelta: extract .deb of p7zip and see what the shell scripts in it are installing/configuring
[21:41] <danileigh79> none: sudo apt-get install wine
[21:41] <danileigh79> dryicebomb: sorry, um, I haven't been able to move this file anywhere...
[21:41] <Natherul> ikonia: donno what the lowest version for the card is but i know that when looking for drivers on their webpage for linux x64 it wants me to get the 295.20 drivers
[21:42] <danileigh79> dryicebomb: currently the file is designated as ~/.config/autostart.desktop How do I move it?
[21:42] <none> how about wine tricks?
[21:42] <ikonia> Natherul: ok, so you know they are supported in that version, what is the version in ubuntu ?
[21:42] <Somelauw> I'll do a hg checkout. Does anyone know the general difference between "make deb" and "make deb-dep"?
[21:43] <waheed> I have ubuntu 11.10 on my laptop my DVD driver doesn't work..how to solve ths??
[21:43] <_Marcus> none: What do you mean "wine tricks"?
[21:43] <marcus_> all I did was install the "important security updates" and now the pointer is all screwed up.
[21:43] <ikonia> Somelauw: one is the dependencies, one is the application
[21:43] <none> to use LOIC dont you need winetricks?
[21:43] <Natherul> ikonia: how do i check that? i in the additional drivers thingie they dont tell the numers of the drivers right out do they?
[21:43] <Somelauw> ikonia: thanks
[21:43] <lorddelta> noverta: Hmm, I'll try that. Thanks for the tip!
[21:43] <ikonia> Natherul: it should do, dpkg -l | grep nvidia will
[21:44] <_Marcus> none: Is it an exe?
[21:44] <lorddelta> noverta: Though I doubt another package did it, I'm not 100% sure it's p7zip's fault...it is (supposedly) a fairly reputable package.
[21:44] <none> i have no clue
[21:44] <none> is what loic?
[21:44] <_Marcus> none: I think it's loic.exe, so you just need Wine
[21:44] <none> kool beans thanks Marcus
[21:46] <marcus_> come on guys....somebody's got to know something to help me
[21:46] <_Marcus> marcus_: What's the problem you are having?
[21:46] <elijah> I think I have a syntax error, any ideas? I am trying to pipe an audio file on a remote server to play (sox) but keep getting an error. I have an alias made in the ~/.ssh/config file called sc, I use the command "ssh sc" to login all the time but when I try to "ssh sc:/var/spool/asterisk/monitor/fop2/2012-01-18/232_232_9033545247_20120118-133037_1326911420.95959.wav | play" I get "ssh: Could not resolve hostname sc:/var/s
[21:46] <blitz> hey all, is there a channel for rhythmbox ?
[21:46] <marcus_> I did the pushed update and now my mouse pointer is all screwed up.
[21:46] <ikonia> elijah: you can't do that
[21:46] <ikonia> elijah: you need to put the alias in /etc/hosts
[21:46] <_Marcus> marcus_: Intresting. What update button?
[21:47] <marcus_> ubuntu 11.10 the cardboard box looking button
[21:47] <elijah> ikonia: the alias works for scp and ssh without piping, via the config file
[21:47] <Gentoo64> marcus_, were you talking to yourself there? or is there seriously someone else called _Marcus lol
[21:47] <ikonia> elijah: put it in the host file
[21:47] <dryicebomb> danileigh79: have you tried just adding b43 to /etc/modules?
[21:47] <marcus_> two marcus names
[21:47] <_Marcus> Gentoo64: Hello
[21:47] <Natherul> ikonia: ok, its 280.13 in ubuntu
[21:48] <Gentoo64> weird :)
[21:48] <wmorri> Hi, I am wondering how to move a php file in a samba share to my /var/www/ folder using terminal?
[21:48] <elijah> ikonia: then it won't auto log me in though
[21:48] <_Marcus> Gentoo64: I don't know if he owns that nick though, I know I own this one.
[21:48] <marcus_> first reboot it was a line of black dots, now it's a rainbox square
[21:48] <ikonia> elijah: yes it will
[21:48] <ikonia> Natherul: ok, so that's quite a big version jump.
[21:49] <_Marcus> marcus_: I have no idea what your problem is, much less fix it. Sorry. Ask again in the channel, someone else may be able to help.
[21:49] <Gentoo64> marcus_, rainbow square?
[21:49] <Gentoo64> marcus_, what graphics drivers you using
[21:51] <marcus_> raedon drivers
[21:51] <marcus_> 2600 card
[21:52] <Gentoo64> marcus_, i dont know about radeon, are "radeon" the built in drivers?
[21:52] <AlderLane> Shade34321: got 'gparted' installed, even running it as root - it reports "No Devices detected".
[21:52] <ralph> HI ALL A smal question, after updating 12.04, dragging the window border behaviour is changed. now double click and dan klik to release. bug or change. (bad one it it is)
[21:52] <Gentoo64> i think fglrx is the prop one i get confused
[21:52] <serorclas> ciao
[21:52] <serorclas> !list
[21:52] <auronandace> !12.04 | ralph
[21:52] <marcus_> it was the card in my computer....raedon 2600
[21:52] <AlderLane> Shade34321: even specified the device on the gparted cmdline from the 'run' dialog
[21:53] <Gentoo64> marcus_, what do you mean by rainbow square? at the login screen?
[21:53] <marcus_> no. where the mouse pointer is supposed to be is now a rainbow square.
[21:54] <Gentoo64> everything else look ok?
[21:54] <marcus_> yep. everything else is normal
[21:54] <elijah> is there a command to delete chunks of text and/or navigate? You know like holding down ctrl + left arrow will jump words
[21:54] <Gentoo64> marcus_, can you post a screenshot?
[21:54] <DarsVaeda> how do you set power settings in ubuntu 11.10 (unity)?
[21:54] <shade34321> AlderLane, sorry wasn't paying attention, that's weird
[21:55] <DarsVaeda> I can not even set cpu frequency
[21:55] <marcus_> post where?
[21:55] <klync> i hit bug 488696 (automount complains of syntax error in nnswitch), which sounds like it should be fixed / fixable, but it apparently is not. anyone know how to workaround this
[21:55] <shade34321> AlderLane, if it was formatted with WinXP last then it should be FAT 32, I think, which GParted can see and read
[21:55] <unixbeard> How do I auto-hide the top and bottom bars (non-unity?) in Ubuntu 11.10?
[21:55] <elijah> ikonia: I just add -v to my command and it is getting as far as accepting my public key, I did at the ip to the hosts file and got same errors btw
[21:55] <DarsVaeda> why is anything just more complicated since unity -.-
[21:55] <shade34321> AlderLane, what does fdisk -l show?
[21:55] <auronandace> marcus_: imagebin.org
[21:55] <DarsVaeda> and why does pure debian not work on my laptop :(
[21:56] <angel282> Hello, I've purchase not long ago a virtual dedicated server installed with centos (I not like centos :( ) and I wonder does it possible to override the operating system from centos to ubuntu over ssh?
[21:56] <Gentoo64> marcus_, i have to go for a bit
[21:56] <marcus_> now it just got really weird...the mouse like normal in the screenshot...
[21:56] <auronandace> !screenshot | marcus_
[21:57] <AlderLane> Shade34321: I believe i may have password protected the thumb under Xp, so I may be dealing with that as a prob as well.  That is why I was hopeing to just do a LLF on the 'device' and be done with it..  hang on..  I'll run cfdisk again and let you know
[21:57] <auronandace> marcus_: are you trying to use custom cursors?
[21:57] <marcus_> no
[21:57] <marcus_> just regular.....
[21:57] <elijah> ikonia: here is my command with -v - http://paste.ubuntu.com/843633/
[21:57] <unixbeard> Hmm is it possible to downgrade from 11.10 to whatever I had previously?  I've really had problems with unity and compiz, and I'm trying to get these top and bottom bars to auto hide.  :\
[21:58] <auronandace> !downgrade | unixbeard
[21:58] <tumppu> remove unity and install gnome2/gnome-shell?
[21:58] <trism> elijah: try cat in the ssh command or something, otherwise it seems like you are trying to execute the .wav
[21:58] <auronandace> !gnome2 | tumppu
[21:58] <ikonia> elijah: did you put the alias in the host file
[21:59] <ikonia> elijah: why are you using ssh to move a file
[21:59] <elijah> trism: I just want to pipe it to my local machine so I can play it back, ikonia: yes, I did
[21:59] <trism> elijah: yes but ssh isn't going to do that just giving it the file
[21:59] <unixbeard> What's an alternative?
[21:59] <unixbeard> !notunity
[21:59] <marcus_> I did try to follow some instructions about compiz, but that didn't help
[21:59] <trism> elijah: ssh sc cat /path/to/file
[21:59] <unixbeard> oic
[21:59] <auronandace> unixbeard: xfce is my favourite
[21:59] <unixbeard> neat!
[21:59] <AlderLane> Shade34321: 'cfdisk' would not access, but 'fdisk' is reading it..  going to see if I can delete parts.
[22:00] <unixbeard> I'm installing gnome-shell now.
[22:00] <shade34321> AlderLane, sweet!
[22:00] <elijah> trism: K, it is getting farther now. But now the command just finishes by opening sox and then finishing with no errors
[22:01] <marcus_> why would it look one way on the screen and normal on the screenshot?
[22:01] <elijah> trism: nvm
[22:01] <elijah> trism, ikonia it is play -
[22:01] <unixbeard> Hmm, so I have gnome-shell, gnome-tweak-tool, and gnome-panel installed.  Do I just reboot and hope for the best?  I did apt-get remove unity...
[22:01] <RedXIII> Hey, I'm having a problem with my partition numbering
[22:01] <RedXIII> I have 1 disk. That disk has 1 partition. But that partition mounts to /dev/sda2
[22:01] <RedXIII> instead of /dev/sda1
[22:01] <tumppu> i think you don't need gnome-panel
[22:01] <elijah> trism, ikonia - it is working now!! It works without the host file mod too!
[22:02] <marcus_> I did try adding gnome-tweak-tool, but I never could figure out how to run it.
[22:02] <RedXIII> How do you change the number of a partition table?
[22:02] <tumppu> unixbeard and you have'n't to reboot
[22:02] <unixbeard> I haven't rebooted yet.
[22:02] <unixbeard> Do I just log out and log back in?
[22:02] <tumppu> log off and then while loggin choose gnome as window manager instead of unity
[22:02] <elijah> trism & ikonia: Do you think it is possible to play the file on my local computer while logged into the ssh session remotely? Would be much easier than copying the path and doing all that.
[22:02] <unixbeard> Okay.  BRB!
[22:03] <RedXIII> sfdisk -d says that there are 4 partitions on the table
[22:03] <RedXIII> 3 with size=0, but 1 with all the data on it
[22:03] <none> how do i setup the VPN
[22:03] <none> ?
[22:03] <RedXIII> how do I change the partition table so that there's only 1
[22:04] <klync> RedXIII: backup the data and repartition, or live with it
[22:04] <AlderLane> Shade34321: 'fdisk' reports "Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)" when opening /dev/sr3  (yes.. it is NOW /sr3)
[22:04] <Abe> hello all, I am having some technical problems with my aircrack prog
[22:04] <_John> none: What do you mean exactly?
[22:04] <RedXIII> klync: but ubuntu thinks that it is /dev/sda1 when mounting
[22:04] <AlderLane> Shade34321: going to try and repair/delete the part
[22:04] <RedXIII> but other tools say its /dev/sda2
[22:04] <RedXIII> (on the table)
[22:04] <marcus_> asking again.....My mouse pointer is showing as a rainbox square, but when I take a screen shot, it looks normal in the picture.
[22:04] <RedXIII> doesn't that cause issues or incompatibilities?
[22:04] <BrandonBolton> RedXIII, You could always play around with gparted after backuping up your data of course.
[22:04] <none> theres a option to configure the vpn
[22:05] <_John> marcus_: What is a "rainbox sqaure"?
[22:05] <klync> RedXIII: have you altered the partition table since last reboot?
[22:05] <_John> marcus_: Is that a rainbow?
[22:05] <marcus_> a square that is rainbow colors
[22:05] <_John> marcus_: Can you take a screenshot and upload it somewhere for us to see?
[22:05] <RedXIII> klync: No
[22:05] <marcus_> the screen shot looks normal
[22:05] <z3r0n0id> how do i view the loaded drivers
[22:05] <klync> RedXIII: then can you pastebin the output of `sfdisk -l`?
[22:06] <RedXIII> BrandonBolton: gparted doesn't even want to look at it. It says the data partition is sda2, but its really sda1
[22:06] <shade34321> AlderLane, ok. Unfortunately I have to get ready to go. I will be in and out from the computer as I get ready. So I will respond when I see a message from you hopefully somebody else will be able to help you
[22:06] <RedXIII> so it fails all calls for renaming/moving/resizing
[22:06] <AlderLane> Shade34321: write of table to repair the above, failed..  "Unable to write /dev/sr3"
[22:06] <Abe> as soon as someone is free to help on the aircrack-ng utility, please let me know
[22:06] <z3r0n0id> how do i view the loaded drivers
[22:06] <AlderLane> Shade34321: OK..  Thanks for the ear...
[22:06] <auronandace> RedXIII: ubuntu uses uuid by default so the dev name doesn't really matter to ubuntu
[22:06] <AlderLane> Shade34321: at least I got rid of the secondary partition...  Only one to go  :)  Thanks
[22:06] <RedXIII> auronandace: Then why does gparted fail to recognize the partition?
[22:07] <_John> marcus_: I forgot, it makes your cursor vanish when taking it. Do you have a camera or a camera phone to take a picture of your screen?
[22:07] <auronandace> RedXIII: no idea
[22:07] <nopf> _John: i'd like to see a picture of the camera
[22:08] <dryicebomb> Alderlane: is this a sandisk thumb drive?
[22:08] <AlderLane> All: Here was my original question...    "How do I remove the 'write protection' on a USB Thumb Drive ?   There are two partitions '/dev/sr2' and '/dev/sdg' and "there can be only one"..  :)"
[22:08] <auronandace> RedXIII: i'm just saying if you were using device names rather than uuid then ubuntu wouldn't boot when the device names change
[22:08] <shade34321> AlderLane, Woot!
[22:08] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: it is a Memorex TravelDrive...
[22:08] <_John> nopf: My interests in the looks of the camera shall remain private.
[22:09] <auronandace> AlderLane: isn't sr an optical drive?
[22:09] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: it was originally formatted with the data storage partition, and a seperate one for the 'launch' utility..
[22:10] <dryicebomb> Alderlane: is this 'launch' utility U3 by anychance?
[22:10] <wmorri> Hi, wondering what permision I need to make a folder be able to be written too by apache?
[22:10] <AlderLane> auronandace: I believe so, but according to 'dmesg' nad the popup when inserted, that is the device it is being assigned
[22:10] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: correct...
[22:10] <hatop> wmorri: that depends on the ownership of the folder
[22:10] <nassim> naim
[22:10] <nassim> hello
[22:11] <wmorri> hatop: I will look up the folder permissions
[22:11] <dryicebomb> Alderlane: bummer, the srX partition can only be removed from a windows machine with a u3 software removal program that you can get from sandisk and memorexs site
[22:11] <elijah> Is there a way to play an audio file to a local machine via an ssh session?
[22:11] <elijah> Can I pipe an audio file to my local machine while in a ssh session?
[22:12] <hatop> elijah: i suppose you could by doing xforwarding and then opening the program on the remote machine.
[22:12] <klync> elijah: maybe if you use a fifo as a buffer
[22:12] <wmorri> the permission for the folder are drwxr-xr-x
[22:12] <hatop> elijah: that would most likely just dump the raw data into a file.
[22:12] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: alright...  I'm going into town in several hours, I'll download that utility and see if I can find a Winbox in town to remove this thing.
[22:12] <wagnor> help, I use ctrl+alt+f1, because of 'video mode not supported' how can I reset Xwindows from console ? will I see the change after ctrl+alt+f7? or do I have to reboot ubuntu?
[22:12] <elijah> hatop: K, do you know how to do it?
[22:12] <hatop> wmorri: you should use 775 as the ownership, BUT it also depends on the group that owns the folder
[22:13] <hatop> hatop: not off the top of my head, but you can google ssh xforwarding
[22:13] <dryicebomb> alderlane: http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm
[22:13] <wmorri> hatop, it is set to nobody nogroup, currently. This is a config folder for a php mumble admin util.
[22:13] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: perhaps the partition still has the removel utility on it and it will access when inserted into a win box.   Plus I'll get the app youi just noted..  Thanks..
[22:14] <elijah> hatop: I can do it the opposite way, by "ssh user@host "cat /path/to/file/music.wav" | play -" but that is a pita if you are already in an ssh session
[22:14] <hatop> wmorri: what group is apache configured to run as in httpd.conf?
[22:14] <marcus_> hold on...I'm getting it up on photobucket
[22:14] <_John> marcus_: If you want it fast just do www.imgur.com
[22:14] <hatop> elijah: you could always just do key based auth so you don't have to enter a password
[22:15] <marcus_> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/cmdrlanc/CameraPictures.jpg
[22:15] <_John> marcus_: I've never seen this happen before.
[22:15] <wmorri> hatop, let me look it up.
[22:15] <_John> marcus_: What graphics card do you have?
[22:15] <elijah> hatop: Yeah, that is what I am doing, but I mean I still have to copy the absolute path of the file and then open a new terminal and make up that command
[22:15] <marcus_> raedon 2600
[22:15] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: all this just to deal with this (following) problem...
[22:15] <_John> marcus_: Do you have the proper drivers for it installed on Ubuntu?
[22:16] <AlderLane> Having a problem with my Acer Aspire NetBook...   Been running Natty Narwhal on it for some time now, but started the install with the 'NetBook' version.  Natty wasx installed using the FULL disk space, so there is no way to boot into another partition to perform the disk fixes.   Problem: "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1:  Partition ends in the final partial cylinder"   -- as reported by cfdisk on attempt to run utility to view partitions, also
[22:16] <AlderLane> 'fsck' will not run without chance of FUBAR'ing the whole disk - as the '/dev/sda1' device is mounted.      Any way to save this ?
[22:16] <hatop> elijah: you could always write a script for this and just feed the file name as an option
[22:16] <marcus_> I did an hour ago before the "update"
[22:16] <elijah> hatop: it would be nice while in the ssh session to do "play music.wav | localmachine" or something like that
[22:16] <_John> marcus_: Update of what?
[22:16] <_John> marcus_: The drivers?
[22:16] <marcus_> ubuntu pushed an "important security update"
[22:16] <hatop> elijag: you can make it that easy through clever use of shell scripts
[22:16] <hatop> err elijah
[22:17] <elijah> hatop: Okay, good to know, I will have to play with that someday, but I take it that there is no way to do this out of the box, right?
[22:17] <_John> marcus_: Intresting. I wonder if there is a problem between the security updates and the drivers. Is there any new driver updates available?
[22:17] <marcus_> I don't know.
[22:17] <hatop> elijah: not specifically, but all the tools for each part exist.
[22:17] <hatop> also
[22:18] <hatop> you could try using a vlc network player
[22:19] <elijah> hatop: Good idea, thanks
[22:20] <wmorri> hatop, the permissions for apache2.conf are -rw-r--r--
[22:20] <marcus_> amd site says I have the latest driver
[22:20] <dryicebomb> alderlane: yuck, i don't suppose you know someone who could borrow you a usb cd-drive
[22:20] <hatop> wmorri: not exactly what I was asking
[22:21] <_John> marcus_: Is there any Ubuntu updates available?
[22:21] <hatop> wmorri: To determine if the apache process can access the folder you need to do two things
[22:21] <marcus_> I just ran those an hour ago.
[22:21] <hatop> wmorri: 1. ensure that the user and group ownerships are correct for those assigned to the apache process
[22:21] <hatop> wmorri: 2. ensure that you have allowed group rwx access to the folder
[22:21] <_John> marcus_: Go into terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade" to update if there is anymore. Just do it to check.
[22:22] <wmorri> hatop, okay I will work on that and see what I come up with. Thank You!
[22:22] <marcus_> ok, did that, now what?
[22:23] <_John> marcus_: Restart your system. See if the cursor is back to normal.
[22:23] <marcus_> ok.
[22:23] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: Actually I have a 500gb external USB here, but it is my "Archive" drive and I don't want to take a chance on damaging it and loosing access to all my archives...  I would have to install a bootsector on it as it is now just a flat storage drive, and that makes me somewhat nervous..
[22:25] <AlderLane> DryIceBomb: once I get the thumb drive straightened out, and get the rescue-boot process finished so I can access the Netbook, I'll be hooking up the 500gb drive to the Netbook and backing up everything, then wiping the NB drive and reinstalling a fresh NEW version of Ubuntu..
[22:26] <marcus> _john : no it didn't fix it.
[22:26] <dryicebomb> alderlane: thats probably the best route
[22:26] <AlderLane> Think I'll stay away from the NETBOOK version of Ubuntu THIS time..
[22:26] <_John> marcus: Well I have no idea. Sorry
[22:26] <AlderLane> I had nothing but problems with that...
[22:27]  * AlderLane is off to find an (Ugh!) Windows computer to remove the Thumb partition...   IBBL
[22:28]  * _John >windows
[22:28] <marcus> Anyone else want to take a run at it? I ran the updates and now my cursor is all screwed up.
[22:29] <hatop> marcus: i don't know if you're using the compositing desktop or not
[22:29] <hatop> marcus: mostly since I came in late into the conversation
[22:29] <marcus> I am using whatever desktop ships with 11.10 ubuntu...I think it's called unity?
[22:29] <hatop> have you tried using the unity 2d interface
[22:31] <marcus> I have not tried anything other than what 11.10 comes with
[22:31] <hatop> marcus: Try out the unity 2d interface and see if that fixes it.
[22:31] <marcus> how?
[22:31] <hatop> Logout out of your session and change the manager
[22:31] <marcus> how?
[22:31] <hatop> its an option during the login screen
[22:31] <marcus> not on mine
[22:32] <hatop> its there by default in ubuntu
[22:32] <Firebolt> marcus, its the gear icon
[22:32] <marcus> ok
[22:32] <hatop> thanks firebolt
[22:32] <Firebolt> np
[22:32] <hatop> i haven't had to switch in a long time
[22:35] <marcus> it's screwed up in all desktop options and even before I log in.
[22:35] <hatop> and you've rebooted at least once i take it
[22:35] <hatop> what videocard are you using
[22:35] <marcus> yes, 4 times now
[22:35] <computerx> Hi, I want to install to a usb device, plug it into my Mac and use it as the primary OS via usb. Is this possible? Do you have any suggestions or pitfalls?
[22:35] <marcus> raedon 2600 with latest driver
[22:35] <hatop> hmmmm
[22:35] <hatop> 12.1 driver?
[22:35] <marcus> yep
[22:36] <marcus> it was fine before I ran the "update"
[22:36] <hatop> can you revert to an older driver?
[22:36] <marcus> dunno....I guess I could if someone told me how
[22:38] <marcus> how do I revert a driver?
[22:38] <hatop> marcus: i'm busy googling for that answer
[22:39] <marcus> I see. :)
[22:39] <hatop> i only use nvidia products at the moment
[22:39] <marcus> nvidia is the one that hates mint isn't it?
[22:39] <hatop> i dunno
[22:39] <hatop> i don't use mint
[22:40] <djathoris> marcus, do you still have the original driver you want to revert to?
[22:40] <marcus> I don't think so. I was using the default generic driver and it wasn't working right
[22:41] <hatop> I'm surprised the 12.1 was installed
[22:41] <hatop> the amd site doesn't even list it as the latest yet
[22:41] <hatop> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.42&lang=English
[22:41] <djathoris> why do you wan to revert to it if it wasn't working right?
[22:41] <mimmo> ciao
[22:41] <kostasz> can somebody help me with fixing fstab?
[22:41] <hatop> the freeware version is sometimes funky
[22:42] <hatop> if he was using the radeon xorg driver
[22:42] <hatop> however, the link provides a download with instructions for installing that version. it SHOULD uninstall the 12.1 drivers
[22:42] <gp5st1> hello, i noticed that the old nessus-plugins package has plugins not in the new openvas plugin. why? any way to get the additional plugins?
[22:42] <marcus> I have whatever the amd site shows
[22:43] <djathoris> kostasz- in what way is your fstab broken?
[22:43] <marcus> I want to revert because my mouse pointer is all screwed up after an ubuntu update
[22:43] <mimmo> cia
[22:44] <hatop> you said you had the 12.1 driver
[22:44] <hatop> i linked the 11.11 driver
[22:44] <marcus> I guess I was wrong.
[22:45] <marcus> 11.11 is what I have looking at that website
[22:46] <djathoris> marcus- installing the 12.1 driver on a 11.11 system might cause a problem or two
[22:46] <hatop> marcus: I'm not really sure, I would try reinstalling your driver. After that, I can't really help much
[22:46] <kostasz> I installed xubuntu 11.10 on one drive divided into 3 partitions: one for windows7, one for data and one for linux. However, I couldn't set my data partition to be NTFS so it could be seen by both systems. After installing Xubuntu I changed it using GParted to NTFS and after that it is no a problem while Xubuntu is booting
[22:46] <marcus> I don't have 12.1 yet
[22:46] <pooky> Has anyone seen an issue in nfs where after mounting, world perms are ignored?
[22:47] <pooky> specifically denied, even if world perms are rw
[22:47] <hatop> kostasz: make sure your fstab is updated to reflect the change in format
[22:47] <hatop> pooky: sorry, I don't really use nfs much.
[22:47] <Ariel88> Hi. I have a basic problem. I forgot the password, but # passwd says my account doesnt exist; and if i leave it, the unix password doesnt let me write anything.
[22:47] <marcus> how do I reinstall the driver? I still have the file for 11.11
[22:47] <kostasz> so how can i update fstab? Should i do it manually?
[22:47] <Ariel88> Any help please.
[22:48] <hatop> kostasz: first I'd check it, then you can manually edit if necessary
[22:48] <ejv> !patience | Ariel88
[22:48] <djathoris> Ariel88- are you sure the account exists?
[22:48] <Ariel88> I added that just for the "please" because of fearing it would sound unpolite. Sorry.
[22:48] <hatop> ariel88: I'm not entirely sure what your question is asking.
[22:49] <djathoris> Ariel88- you should add the account using "adduser" before you try to use "paaswd" to set the password
[22:49] <kostasz> i tried that by setting UUID=something /media/DATA defaults 0 0 but it granted me just read-only acess
[22:50] <Ariel88> djathoris: Oh, thanks. Didnt know.
[22:50] <ejv> Ariel88: If you've actually lost access to your system, you'll need to grab a livecd and perform a 'passwd' of your user under a chroot. FYI.
[22:50] <mustafaerhann> well ariel88 did u try control center user management ?
[22:50] <OerHeks> huh djathoris ?? Ariel88  the password reset, should work, if you have your accountname right
[22:50] <djathoris> kostasz- you need to set the partition type to ntfs-3g if you want r/w access
[22:51] <OerHeks> djathoris, new account will not have sudo priv
[22:51] <hatop> you have to add them to the sudoers list
[22:51] <mustafaerhann> kostasz also u may need to force option in ntfs-3g  to mount unclean drives if ntfs-3g notifies u.
[22:51] <djathoris> OerHeks- Ariel88 reported that passwd thought the old account didn't exist
 - I tried that too but it seems that ntfs-3g is somehow unsupported
[22:52] <OerHeks> hatop that would be the solution, indeed.
[22:52] <mustafaerhann> did u install ntfs-3g packages ?
[22:52] <kostasz> uups
[22:52] <Ariel88> Im a little confuse. So, what should i do?
[22:52] <kostasz> how should i do that (ntfs-3g)?
[22:52] <hatop> kostasz: using apt-cache search
[22:52] <kostasz> by synaptic?
[22:53] <hatop> and then apt-get install
[22:53] <hatop> or synaptic
[22:53] <hatop> or the ubuntu software center(I suppose).
[22:53] <mustafaerhann> kostasz mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /mnt/external/ -o force
[22:53] <Ariel88> djathoris - allright. Thanks everybody!
[22:53] <mustafaerhann> /dev/sdc1 must be your device file. /mnt/external must be your mount point.
[22:53] <kostasz> i see
[22:54] <kostasz> i will try to install ntfs-3g packages and see if it helped
[22:54] <kostasz> thank you all, hope not to see you today :)
[22:56] <mustafaerhann> have a luck kostasz
[22:56] <_Ethan_> has someone here used After Effects from adobe?
[22:56] <kostasz> thanks, see ya
[22:58] <capivara> testing...
[22:58] <DMASS> I have used After Effects
[22:58] <DMASS> since version 6
[22:59] <hatop> ok?
[22:59] <Redjack1964_>  " love this song for... not working :D "   <-- this sentence is correct for you?
[23:00] <Nastya> Hi htere!
[23:00] <mustafaerhann> hi there!
[23:01] <Guest8642> how can I run a setup program as root from a CD?
[23:01] <Guest8642> I've tried something like    wine /dev/sr0/CANON_IJ/setup/myProgram.exe  but I can't run anything
[23:02] <|Justm3|> How do I get rid of a ghost folder in /media? I can't umount it, or mount it. Do I just do a sudo del to it, or is there some other way?
[23:02] <djathoris> wine isn;t completely dependable for running things
[23:02] <mustafaerhann> guest8642 why u trying to run a setup program
[23:02] <mustafaerhann> what u need exactly ?
[23:03] <mustafaerhann> to install a driver linux does this automated with kernel. or u may look for properiatary drivers from restricted software in control center.
[23:03] <DinoMuffin> |Justm3|: what is the folder for?
[23:03] <mustafaerhann> wine mostly used to play windows games under linux. and out of topic in this channel. also u have to install it before use.
[23:04] <DinoMuffin> |Justm3|: /media/ is the area for automated mountpoints
[23:06] <Woodie8Potatoes> hello there, i'm trying to install some software from the installation cdrom, but the thing just doesn't work, i've ran "apt-cdrom add", it worked then i checked "/media/apt" and the cdrom is mounted, also it wrote the thing on /etc/apt/sources.list, but when i run apt-get it says "file not found".
[23:07] <DinoMuffin> Woodie8Potatoes: software for what?
[23:07] <wagnor> help, my graphic card is damaged, and I try to launch X-windows systems using vesa drivers. But after I copied xorg.conf.failsafe onto xorg.conf I get "video mode not supported" message. Any help?
[23:07] <mustafaerhann> u can use internet for installing them. :))
[23:07] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: xserver
[23:07] <Woodie8Potatoes> nope, i can't use internet on that machine
[23:07] <mustafaerhann> hms.
[23:07] <Guest8642> I need to setup a router  and printer that I have bought, and I need to use the CD
[23:07] <___marsh_> hello i'm having problem with HDMI splitter and ubuntu 11.10. can anyone help
[23:08] <djathoris> wagnor- if your card is damaged, maybe it no longer supports the vesa video modes?
[23:08] <Woodie8Potatoes> any tutorial on how to install packages from the installation cd after installing only the base system?
[23:08] <mustafaerhann> guest8642 first test that your printer working on your linux. try to print some pages.
[23:08] <wagnor> djathoris: I don't know whether it does or not, trying to find out. Windows xp equivalent (vga.dll) does work.
[23:08] <DinoMuffin> Woodie8Potatoes: have you tried a apt-get update?
[23:08] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: yep.
[23:09] <DinoMuffin> hm
[23:09] <Guest8642> linux sees the printer, and tries to install the printer but doesn't have the proper Driver
[23:09] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: and it works.
[23:10]  * tommylommykins waves
[23:10] <tommylommykins> How can I make sound not turn off when I switch user?
[23:10] <djathoris> wagnor- not all video cards support vesa modes even when they are working right. Maybe you could try the driver for your particular card?
[23:10] <DinoMuffin> Woodie8Potatoes: what is the name of the package you're putting into apt-get install?
[23:10] <mustafaerhann> model name of printer ?
[23:11] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: xinit with --no-install-recommends
[23:11] <DinoMuffin> that doesn't sound right
[23:12] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: any package just won't install
[23:12] <mustafaerhann> guest8642 what is your printer name
[23:12] <mustafaerhann> and model plz
[23:12] <Guest8642> canon
[23:12] <DinoMuffin> well
[23:12] <grkblood> damn, im diggin xubuntu
[23:12] <DinoMuffin> Woodie8Potatoes: is there a deb package on the CD?
[23:13] <mustafaerhann> guest8642 model?
[23:13] <grendal-prime> anyone using pen for load balancing
[23:14] <wagnor_> djathoris: sorry, did you by any chance answer me? my internet is unstable and I can't help it.
[23:14] <grendal-prime> I got this issue where i need match the real ip with a vpn ip after the machine has gone through a pen load balancer
[23:14] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: yes, all the debs are on subfolder of /pool/
[23:14] <djathoris> wagnor_ - I was only suggesting rhat instead of depending on the vesa driver, you might try the particular driver for your card
[23:15]  * tommylommykins reasks
[23:15] <tommylommykins> How can I make sound not turn off when I switch user? :)
[23:15] <wagnor_> djathoris: that won't work because of graphic card damage. When I run windows xp on standard nvidia drivers it crashes very quickly - ubuntu doesn't even start on standard drivers.
[23:15] <Woodie8Potatoes> DinoMuffin: it's the default alternate cdrom (10.04).
[23:16] <___marsh_> hello i'm having problem with HDMI splitter on ubuntu, the problem is nvidia driver won't recognize monitor over it so i can't have picture on it, dispar also don't recognize it. my setup is nvidia 450 gts with 2 monitors connected. the DVI one work HDMI one don't
[23:16] <DinoMuffin> Woodie8Potatoes:
[23:16] <djathoris> wagnor_ - that sounds like a hardware problem which the vesa drivers won't be able to fix
[23:16] <DinoMuffin> Woodie8Potatoes: ok, well the package that you need should be called xserver-xorg
[23:17] <wagnor_> djathoris: I hoped that maybe vesa drivers can do what vga.dll can do. Afaik vga.dll sets up graphic card so that most/all the processing is done on cpu, and graphic card just passes it to monitor.
[23:17] <djathoris> tommylommykins - what happens if you keep the original user open and just add a second user window?
[23:18] <wagnor_> maybe there's some other equivalent of vga.dll that I don't know of?
[23:18] <djathoris> wagnor_ - what resolution is vga.dll displaying at?
[23:19] <wagnor_> djathoris: Many resolutions work under it - to my surprise even 1024x768 with 24depth
[23:20] <djathoris> wagnor_ - that's strange why the xorg vesa driver won't start
[23:20] <wagnor_> djathoris: seems to me it does start - I can hear the "logging in" sound, it just can't pass the data to monitor "video mode not supported"
[23:20] <Somelauw> Does anyone know the command to change wallpaper? I tried gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file://$wallpaper"?
[23:21] <wagnor_> I assume that if vesa drivers would not start the whole linux booting would stop
[23:21] <djathoris> wagnor_ - ohh, that might just be a problem with the monitor refresh rate
[23:21] <wagnor_> even before graph. card was damaged I had "no video mode supported" on grub, after update, but when I (by memory) selected ubuntu on grub it launched okay, so maybe its a hint
[23:22] <OccupynMyChair> quick dumb question, my acct is in the admin group and can sudo, i can ssh into my ubuntu 10 box using my account, i can start the x11vnc server, i can connection to the x1vnc session, but when i try to login in in the GUI it says authentication failure (using the same credentials i just connected with in SSH)
[23:22] <manguito> chale
[23:22] <manguito> que es esto?
[23:23] <djathoris> wagnor_ - perhaps if you try setting the resolution to something safe like 800 x 600 with a refresh rate of 60hz?
[23:23] <DinoMuffin> !es | manguito
[23:23] <manguito> thankyou
[23:23] <Jeruvy> OccupynMyChair, are you connecting straight into vnc or using a ssh tunnel?
[23:23] <OccupynMyChair> tunnel
[23:24] <OccupynMyChair> it shows my username on the login screen too, lol.....
[23:24] <wagnor_> djathoris: I'll try, thanks for suggestion, brb
[23:24] <CiDhed> Can someone give me a quick explanation?
[23:24] <grendal-prime> i need to query apt to get a list of updates and their urgency...any advice?
[23:24] <CiDhed> Regarding the asound file.
[23:25] <Jeruvy> OccupynMyChair, sounds like a problem with the certs.  its been a while since I worked through that process
[23:25] <djathoris> CiDhed - it configures the alsa sound drivers
[23:25] <OccupynMyChair> Jeruvy thanks, i've been trying google but comin up short
[23:26] <djathoris> or maybe not, I could be wrong
[23:26] <CiDhed> My issue is: I am trying to get DTS passthrough on XBMC working with my gt520 card.
[23:26] <danileigh79> mustafaerhann: Still around?? Finally solved that pesky "sudo modprobe b43" problem?
[23:26] <danileigh79> mustafaerhann: Still around?? Finally solved that pesky "sudo modprobe b43" problem!
[23:26] <Jordan_U> wagnor_: It sounds like grub and Xorg are both choosing a video mode which your monitor can't support (which probably means that your monitor is presenting incorrect EDID info). Configuring a smaller resolution might solve the problem.
[23:26] <CiDhed> I had it working on my ATI onboard hdmi but no other sound was working. So I bought the GT520 in hopes of getting away from driver issues.
[23:26] <djathoris> CiDhed - does "alsamixer" see a control for that?
[23:27] <CiDhed> I can play sound to all 5 channels.
[23:27] <Jordan_U> wagnor_: Do you see BIOS output on the screen before grub?
[23:27] <danileigh79> llutz: Still around?? Finally solved that pesky "sudo modprobe b43" problem!
[23:27] <CiDhed> Well, 6 including sub.
[23:27] <danileigh79> llutz: didn't even need to creat a bash script...
[23:27] <wagnor_> Jordan_U: yes I do.
[23:27] <Jeruvy> OccupynMyChair, maybe this will assist: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=640815
[23:27] <djathoris> CiDhed - but still no dts passthrough?
[23:28] <CiDhed> Correct, I have even set hw:0,3 in a custom setting on xbmc
[23:28]  * OccupynMyChair reads
[23:28] <wagnor_> Jordan_U: I'm trying to hardcode resolution into xorg.conf thanks for hint
[23:28] <mustafaerhann> danileigh79 hey im here still. did u make it ?
[23:28] <danutz> Hello, could someone please tell me how the hell do I play .wmv video files in ubuntu?I tried many ..like vlc,gnome....etc but only audio works, I cannot see the video...can someone please help?
[23:28] <javierf_> hi! one question about wine. Can't I install 64bits applications?
[23:29] <chiggins> Quick question, trying do "mount" a grub floppy img to /dev/loop0. Ran 'losetup /dev/loop0 floppy.img", now trying to "mount /dev/loop0 /mnt" but I'm getting a message saying I must specify the filesystem type, though I don't know what i'd put. Any advice?
[23:29] <djathoris> CiDhed - which input jack on your soundcard does the dts sound cable run into?
[23:29] <mustafaerhann> danileigh79 grats how did u solve ?
[23:29] <CiDhed> I don't have a soundcard. I have a gt520 video card. I am using HDMI directly to my receiver.
[23:30] <Jordan_U> wagnor_: You're welcome. You can set grub's resoltion with GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub.
[23:30] <danileigh79> mustafaerhann: with "sudo gedit /etc/modules" then added the line "b43" to it and saved, did a reboot and wifi adapter activated automatically
[23:30] <Jordan_U> chiggins: What grub floppy is this?
[23:30] <danileigh79> mustafaerhann: it's nice to figure things out, I feel accomplished now lol :P
[23:31] <Jeruvy> danutz http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:31] <danutz> done that already
[23:31] <djathoris> CiDhed - with no soundcard, there would be nothing for asound to control
[23:31] <chiggins> Jordan_U: I'm trying to do some os dev'ing. if I run "dd if=floppy.img | file -" I get "x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, code offset 0x48"
[23:31] <OerHeks> danutz, use moonlight, i guess tour wmv uses DRM, if moonlight does not work, good luch
[23:31] <danutz> still does not display video..only sound
[23:32] <danileigh79> mustafaerhann: and now, if anyone else has the same problem, I know what to do to solve it, yay me! lol
[23:32] <xibalba> i've done the tasksel install lamp-server, a2enmod php5, restarted apache and it's still downloading the .php files
[23:32] <CiDhed> djathoris, Not sure you understand. There is built in sound in a hdmi video card.
[23:32] <xibalba> hey everyone, could anyone give me a hand with a php issue i'm having? it appears my php files are downloading rather than executing
[23:32] <CiDhed> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
[23:32] <CiDhed> Is what returns from aplay -l
[23:33] <Jordan_U> chiggins: What is this floppy image though? Did you find a floppy disk on the street and decide to figure out what it is?
[23:33] <Somelauw> Does anyone know the command to change wallpaper? I tried gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file://$wallpaper"?
[23:33] <CiDhed> I have sound everywhere else but on movies with DTS.
[23:33] <djathoris> CiDhed - maybe that's "piracy" prevention?
[23:33] <cfhowlett> Somelauw: see Desktop Drapes in the software center
[23:33] <xibalba> this is a particularly troubling issues because i just putup another ubuntu box on vmware and did the same commands and php is running fine on the new ubuntu vmware server
[23:33] <mustafaerhann> danileigh79 when i was using mandrake 10.0 i have solved my nvidia driver problems as this. lol i remembered now.
[23:34] <chiggins> Jordan_U: No, it's just like a copy of GRUB. If I was to copy this image contents though onto a usb or something It'd boot GRUB
[23:34] <mustafaerhann> mod probe files.
[23:34] <CiDhed> djathoris, Nah, It worked on the ATI card but broke other sound. To get it to work I had to remove pulseaudio. I shouldn't have to do that with Nvidia cards from my understanding.
[23:34] <Jordan_U> chiggins: What are you trying to accomplish?
[23:34] <CiDhed> There is no piracy prevention on these files
[23:34] <Somelauw> cfhowlett: The default command should just work, I think
[23:35] <chiggins> Jordan_U: http://jamesmolloy.co.uk/tutorial_html/1.-Environment%20setup.html Reference section 1.3
[23:35] <xibalba> whenever someone has a moment to help me out with php, if you could ping me i'd appreciate it. thank you
[23:35] <djathoris> CiDhed - do you have room in your pc for a separate sound card?
[23:36] <danutz> jesus..still can't find a way to play .wmv files, any solution?it must be
[23:36] <CiDhed> djathoris, Sure but that won't work. I will have to switch to dvi-d video and optical and that goes against the idea of a media center.
[23:36] <Jordan_U> chiggins: I can't access a browser at the moment. Can you summarize?
[23:37] <CiDhed> It isn't logical to bandaid the issue when it is supposed to work correctly.
[23:37] <djathoris> CiDhed - ok, it was just a thought. but linux drivers don't always support the hardware perfectly
[23:38] <chiggins> Jordan_U: Using a tutorial for creating my own UNIX based operating system, currently using Ubuntu to write the code and compile and such. I'm basically going to be running this in a virtual machine (bochs), but in order to boot the kernel I need to run GRUB. That's where the floppy.img file I'm talking about comes into play
[23:38] <zul0> what log i can check to try fix erros with my vpn connection?
[23:38] <CiDhed> I know that but this is a proven card.
[23:38] <CiDhed> Rolling back my version of xbmc to see if that was it.
[23:39] <sere> i have a 1000gig portable drive and i only had it for a a month, and used about 500gig...not sure why but in linux it slowly stopped reading it and now in winblows....i believe its the drive at fault but my question is what can cause this so early
[23:39] <sere> is it already bad?
[23:39] <Jordan_U> chiggins: I would recommend using the grub-mkrescue utility instead for making a bootable grub image. Though that will get you grub2, which is different from the grub legacy that guide is for.
[23:39] <djathoris> sere - sounds it. low quality manufacturing
[23:40] <cfhowlett> sere: name of manufacturer?
[23:40] <OerHeks> sere, HDD breaks down short after purchase, or after 5 years
[23:40] <xxdigitolxx> sere - use diagnostic tools to check if drive is still ok
[23:41] <xxdigitolxx> ex. seagate tools
[23:41] <xxdigitolxx> ultimate boot disc
[23:41] <jenders> hi folks, is it possible to pin to a specific release during preseeding?
[23:41] <OerHeks> s.m.a.r.t. enabled in the bios ?
[23:41] <chiggins> Jordan_U: I just figured I'd try to stay as close to the guide as possible, ya know?
[23:41] <sere> its a western digital essentail 1000gig and only had it a month
[23:41] <jenders> I work in a large organization that would like to gate updates and we're evaluating whether or not our requirements are going to allow us to keep using Ubuntu
[23:42] <OerHeks> !pinning | jenders
[23:42] <cfhowlett> sere: if under warranty, return it.  seagate generally makes decent equipment, but things do fail.  1 month use before problems is  abnormal
[23:43] <Nadd> Hi there! Can somebody give me a decent hint in the right direction to install them doomed nvidia drivers on my system? nvidia-xconfig made it unbootable. Now I am back to "unknown" device...
[23:43] <djathoris> western digital used to be a quality brand
[23:43] <mustafaerhann> did u try restricted drivers ?
[23:43] <_John> djathoris: They are still pretty good. What don't you like abuot them?
[23:43] <jenders> OerHeks: thanks, I'm familiar with apt-pinning but my question is specific to preseeding
[23:43] <_John> about*
[23:43] <mustafaerhann> properiatary ?
[23:43] <OerHeks> cfhowlett, true, only 0.3% drives fail from seagate.
[23:44] <jenders> is it possible to pin to a specific release that is always deployed during preseeding and then gradually update from this release point
[23:44] <djathoris> _John - user sere is reporting a 1 tb WD drive failing after a month
[23:44] <danutz> solved
[23:44] <Nadd> I just want it to work right now. I have 2 options in "additional-drivers" but both don't show sth. in the system info tab
[23:45] <OccupynMyChair> hey Jeruvy i think i found the problem, im not passing special characters using properly SHIFT 2 for the @ symbol just shows "2" when i tested my password as my login name..... ideas?
[23:45] <_John> djathoris: Never had that problem. Isn't there a warranty on it?
[23:45] <mun_> hi
[23:45] <_John> Hello, mun)
[23:45] <mun_> i've just upgraded to 11.10
[23:45] <_John> mun_*
[23:45] <djathoris> _John - you'd have to ask sere
[23:45] <jenders> it seems as if the default policy is to update to the latest version of packages installed via preseeding
[23:45] <OerHeks> jenders, you could easily stop updatemanager, or let you inform before downloading.
[23:45] <cfhowlett> mun_: greetings
[23:46] <mun_> and i'm using gnome 3 on 11.10, but i can't right click on the panel to configure it. is there another way?
[23:46] <sere> i always liked wd but one month on this one ..i  dunno nopw
[23:46] <terminhell> mun_: look up extensions. the panel is different than in gnome 2x
[23:46] <_John> sere: Do you have a warranty?
[23:47] <mun_> terminhell, what do you mean extensions?
[23:47] <terminhell> gnome-shell-extensions
[23:47] <jenders> OerHeks: is updatemanager still applicable for an installation without X11?
[23:47] <___marsh_> hello i'm having problem with HDMI splitter on ubuntu, the problem is nvidia driver won't recognize monitor over it so i can't have picture on it, dispar also don't recognize it. my setup is nvidia 450 gts with 2 monitors connected. the DVI one work HDMI one don't
[23:47] <terminhell> panel apps have been removed in gnome3/gnome-shell
[23:47] <OerHeks> mun_, use my-unity to configure 'the panel', or ubuntu-tweak
[23:48] <jenders> OerHeks: more importantly, during preseeding, after debootstrap, it seems as if packages are updated. I assume debootstrap installs from a snapshow of the LTS release and upgrades on top of this
[23:48] <_John> sere: Western Digital is a good brand, you shouldn't let that one experience change how you look at it. Call Western Digital about it if you feel it's that bad.
[23:49] <jenders> our organization would like to handle updates as a more manual process to ensure compatability with existing applications
[23:50] <ejv> portage is pretty versatile, but outside the scope of ubuntu of course
[23:50] <OerHeks> jenders, installation without x, i am not sure what you want to do, you can add anything to your preseeding file, but not sure howto pin a version there.
[23:50] <terminhell> jenders: then turn off auto updates
[23:50] <OerHeks> jenders, you could also start your own mirror-server, and control all
[23:51] <jenders> OerHeks: we're looking at going down that route
[23:51] <zul0> what log have info about vpn connectios with nm?
[23:51] <jenders> terminhell: we do have 'd-i pkgsel/update-policy select none' but that only applies after the machine has been seeded
[23:51] <jenders> during preseed, the install is updated from LTS snapshot release to current
[23:52] <jenders> this leads to patches we may not want installed, installed and version inconsistencies among pre-existing hosts in our environment
[23:52] <terminhell> jenders: then you may want to manually upgrade stuff
[23:52] <mun_> i'm trying to install chrome via .deb, but the software centre can't ope nit. it says "Internal Error. The file "...deb" could not be opened
[23:52] <mun_> 11.10 has so far been full of problems...
[23:53] <wagnor> To change resolution/refresh rate with xorg.conf all I need to do is to add SubSection "Display" into "Screen" and put Modes "800x600_60.00" in there ? If I'll run sudo xinit -- :2 after editing xorg.conf should I see the X with changed resolution?
[23:53] <terminhell> jenders: or try a different distro with a better package manager
[23:53] <jenders> terminhell: I don't the package manager is really the issue here, it's preseeding policy that I'm unclear on
[23:53] <DinoMuffin> mun: sudo dpkg -i <package here>
[23:54] <terminhell> wagnor:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
[23:54] <mun_> DinoMuffin, is <package here> chrome?
[23:54] <DinoMuffin> mun: it's the chrom deb file
[23:55] <DinoMuffin> mun: alternativly, run "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser"
[23:55] <jenders> perhaps our issue is that we're installing a codename instead of a specific point release ?
[23:55] <mun_> DinoMuffin, ok i get an error while processing it
[23:55] <LjL> mun_: indeed, why not just use Chromium?
[23:55] <Onkeltem> Is there a program for linear editing videos? I've created a screencast but need to remove some parts only
[23:56] <jenders> whereas CODENAME tracks stable instead of a specific point release, such as 10.04
[23:56] <djathoris> wagnor_ - there might alreadybe a sample org.conf in /etc/X11
[23:56] <terminhell> jenders: what do you mean?
[23:56] <mun_> i prefer chrome though
[23:57] <xibalba> hey everyone, would someone mind helping me for a few moments with a php issue where my php files download instead of execute? I've installed the lamp stack via 'tasksel install lamp-server', and have posted my php5.conf/load file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/843741/
[23:57] <cfhowlett> Onkeltem: Openshot
[23:57] <Onkeltem> cfhowlett: can it take existing MKV?
[23:57] <terminhell> xibalba: try ./foo.php
[23:57] <xibalba> from the command line?
[23:58] <cfhowlett> Onkeltem: pretty sure yes other alternatives....
[23:58] <terminhell> xibalba:  and make sure it has correct permissions to execute
[23:58] <djathoris> xibalba - did you set permission on the php directory to make it executabke?
[23:58] <terminhell> xibalba: and yes, from terminal
[23:58] <popey> Onkeltem: openshot is pretty good, i have used it to edit mkv screencasts
[23:59] <xibalba> well essentially i installed lamp-server, then cacti and tried to hit the cacti directory where it proceeded to download the main index.php instead of executing it
[23:59] <xibalba> i dont have the php5-cli installed, only the apachemodule
[23:59] <terminhell> OH, you may need a cli browser like lynx or w3m


[00:22] <doctormo> yep
[03:26] <dinda> jfluhmann: ping
[03:26] <dinda> ping anyone who knows anything about Moodle themes
[03:30] <ZachK_> dinda: i know about "Noodles"
[03:31] <pleia2> I know vantrax was working on one for a bit
[03:32] <dinda> pleia2: just stuck trying to copy a theme inside the moodle theme directory - saying I don't have permission
[03:32] <dinda> pleia2: I'm running a local install and just trying to copy a directory to another directory but my command line foo is weak
[03:33] <pleia2> dinda: is it moodle installed via the ubuntu package?
[03:33] <dinda> pleia2: yes
[03:33] <pleia2> dinda: is the themes directory in /usr/share/moodle/themes - or something?
[03:33] <dinda> pleia2: exactly
[03:33] <dinda> theme
[03:34] <dinda> no 's'
[03:34] <dinda> trying to copy a copy of another theme into that dir
[03:34] <pleia2> ok, lemme pop into one of the moodle installs I have and take a look at how I did permissions
[03:36] <dinda> pleia2: doph!  it worked
[03:36] <pleia2> :)
[03:36] <dinda> apparently I just needed to tell someone the problem and then is mgaically fixed itself
[03:36] <pleia2> lol
[03:36] <pleia2> probably just need to use sudo, since it won't automatically allow users to put themes there
[03:36] <dinda> yes, used that finally too :)
[03:37] <pleia2> looks like on this server I didn't change permissions, the admin has sudo on this box
[03:38] <dinda> pleia2: yes, that's the issue I'm working around, our servers I don't have root on the web server, only Moodle admin access and they don't have time to add the new theme I want so I'm testing local
[03:38]  * pleia2 nods
[03:39] <pleia2> I really wish webapps in ubuntu/debian (moodle, wordpress, drupal) had a better way of handling themes and plugins for the users
[03:39] <pleia2> I always have to figure out clever things to do with our customers
[03:40] <dinda> pleia2: yeah I've asking the design team for at least some of the new colors for the new brand but alas they can't even give us the palette yet
[03:40] <pleia2> bummer
[03:40] <pleia2> hopefully soon, I hear we're getting a new fridge theme sometime in the lucid cycle \o/
[03:40] <dinda> pleia2: yeah, saw your post
[03:41] <dinda> let's just hope it's sometime before meerkat ;)
[03:41] <pleia2> yeah
[03:41] <dinda> pleia2: now an even bigger problem - how to keep the cat off my keyboard when I'm working on the command line!
[03:41] <pleia2> hehe
[03:42] <pleia2> dinda: I haven't figured that one out yet :)
[03:42] <dinda> pleia2: mine is retaliating by scratching up my new sofa
[03:45] <pleia2> eep
[14:37] <jfluhmann> dinda, pong (high latency, I know ;-)


[09:09] <tbf> hi, anyone knows how to deal with such warnings when building a package?
[09:09] <tbf> dpkg-gencontrol: Warnung: Paket qtgstreamer-plugins: unknown substitutions variable ${gstreamer:URISources}
[09:16] <geser> tbf: try to figure out if something is missing (something should fill that variable with data) or if you can ignore it (the package doesn't really need that variable)
[09:31] <elky> did python-docutils start reporting language with the full language name, eg, spanish rather than shortcode, eg, es, between oneiric (0.7-2) and precise (0.8-1)
[13:02] <aboudreault> guys. how comes a apt-get install libpng12-dev install the libpng.so in /usr/lib/x86_64 ? and nothing in /usr/lib? This will cause a lot of software  configure to fail.. no?
[13:03] <Zhenech> no
[13:03] <Zhenech> unless it is literally looking for /usr/lib/libpng.so
[13:03] <Zhenech> and not for libpath/libpng.so
[13:05] <aboudreault> it is literrally looking for $PREFIX/libpng.so
[13:05] <aboudreault> I suppose I would have to fix that
[13:06] <Zhenech> but prefix is /usr? not /usr/lib, so it wouldnt find it anyways? :)
[13:09] <Resistance> any MOTU or SRU team member available to outline the update procedure for how a bug/program would get updated in Precise *on that bug*?  I'm not SRU or MOTU, so the people on the bug hearing it from one of you guys would probably help a lot for their understanding.
[13:12] <Resistance> that outlining would probably best be put on LP Bug 991179 (since the Debian devs are trying to get this direct to Precise, which is a no-no without an SRU)
[13:15] <geser> Resistance: not Evil anymore? :) you'll probably have more luck to find a SRU member in #ubuntu-devel (most SRU members are core-devs) once they are back from UDS (next week)
[13:15] <geser> or travel to UDS and discuss it with them in person :)
[13:25] <Resistance> geser:  that's also why I said MOTU
[13:25] <Resistance> MOTUs are aware of the steps in the process about as much as an SRU might
[13:25] <Resistance> (at least as far as i've observed)
[13:25] <Resistance> and my nick isn't evil right now, but it might end up that way later ;P
[13:26] <Resistance> and the package in question is Universe, so... :P
[13:30] <Resistance> geser:  i also spoke to one of the SRU team last night here on IRC, i've only got the summary of what's expected to update/fix that bug, not the entire process, hence the request :)
[13:34] <geser> Resistance: what was the outcome about fixing quantal first? given that boinc doesn't compile there at the moment
[13:39] <Resistance> geser:  that's what i've said, i want a MOTU or an SRU member to corroborate
[13:39]  * Resistance only has summaries, not all the details
[13:40] <Resistance> i'll poke the SRU team, probably this Sunday or Monday, they can outline the entire process
[13:42] <Resistance> (although when I spoke to cjwatson, he outlined what i've said on that bug, so i'm regurgitating informatoin that i have, but not giving the full details since I don't know those)
[13:44] <Resistance> i think the confusion is coming from the Debian side, they assume Precise is like sid, you can just easily get it in, but there's the whole SRU thing that sid doesn't have :P
[13:48] <geser> Resistance: preparing a SRU isn't that difficult (once one has the patch to fix it): it's mostly adding a TEST CASE to the bug description (explaining how to test that the proposed fix really fixes it) and the patch (ideally in debdiff format for easier sponsoring) that someone with upload rights can upload
[13:49] <Resistance> geser:  true, but the program with the fix (in Debian) doesn't build for Quantal.
[13:49] <Resistance> and according to cjwatson, they'd like a working version in Quantal first
[13:49] <Resistance> because if you update precise but not quantal, what's the advantage then
[13:49] <Resistance> (considering the updated version that would fix this doesn't build in Quantal)
[13:51] <Resistance> and since this isn't a critical bug, i dont really see a reason to push for the "Precise but not Quantal" angle of things.
[13:52] <geser> the tricky part is if there isn't a simple patch which needs to get applied (e.g. fixed in a newer upstream version)
[13:52] <Resistance> that is the issue
[13:52] <Resistance> since the intermediary versions between 7.0.24 and the version in Debian don't exist
[13:53] <Resistance> at least not in Debian or Ubuntu
[13:53] <Resistance> as well, there's actually *two* bugs now, from what I've gathered, where pre-7.0.27 doesn't work with graphics cards with > 2GB RAM (For those who use their graphics card as processor memory, i.e. CUDA)
[13:54] <Resistance> the bug that's affecting precise current version is a buggy patch (which can easily be removed), but the second bug (more critical in the Debian maintainers' eyes) is only addressed in a upstream version update (i.e. 7.0.27)
[13:54] <Resistance> if Precise were still in development, I'd have filed a sync request and gotten it FFe'd
[13:54] <Resistance> then this problem wouldnt exist :P
[13:56]  * Resistance yawns
[13:56] <Resistance> y'know, if this existed in Quantal (7.0.27), I'd have just filed a backport request, tested the backport(s) myself, and then if that all worked, everything would be fine and dandy :p
[13:57] <geser> Resistance: I don't if it would be acceptable to sync the fixed package to quantal knowing that it will FTBFS (but at least we'll have the fix once the FTBFS get resolved)
[13:57]  * Resistance forgot what FTBFS means, and goes to look that up
[13:57] <geser> Fails To Build From Source
[13:57] <Resistance> ah, fails to build from source
[13:57] <Resistance> yeah, just looked it up :P
[13:58] <Resistance> well, that's why i've been holding off on filing the sync request
[13:58] <Resistance> the last, oh...
[13:58] <geser> then you could backport it to precise (where it would build)
[13:58] <Resistance> i want to say four requests i had for Precise when it was in dev were initially refused because it failed to build
[13:59] <Resistance> but then i dug around and found that problem was caused by some oddball issue with a build-dep, adn removing that fixed it all
[13:59] <Resistance> (then the sync/backport was accepted with ubuntu-changes)
[13:59] <Resistance> i'm hesitant to act and file a request *given* the FTBFS
[13:59] <geser> new upstream versions are usually backported, it's not easy to get new upstream versions accepted for SRUs
[13:59] <Resistance> mhm
[14:00] <Resistance> i'll probably note that, but I'd ideally like to see this fixed in Quantal
[14:00] <Resistance> but again, given i'm not on SRU, or MOTU, I'm not going to file that sync request :P
[14:00]  * Resistance goes to dig up the bug link again
[14:01] <geser> I'll try to check if it's easy to fix boinc building in quantal or not when I'm home
[14:03] <geser> Resistance: if it's Debian bug #671999 then it should get fixed in Debian in 2 days (uploaded to the 2 days delayed queue in Debian) and you might be able to file a sync request next week :)
[14:04] <Resistance> possibly, i'll check with them, but given that my quantal chroot keeps going *pbbt* *fizzle*, i'm not willing to test ;P
[14:10] <Resistance> ohey, didnt realize you were a motu, geser
[14:10]  * Resistance looked up your info on LP
[14:10] <Resistance> question, then: would you support a sync to Quantal of that package, if the FTBFS issue still exists, just for the purposes of backporting that to Precise?
[14:11] <Resistance> if it were up to you
[14:36] <geser> probably yes
[17:32] <broder> micahg: i know we talked about killing off maverick backports bugs, but it's more complicated than that. if they want a backport to lucid, do we drop the natty/oneiric backports, too?
[17:32] <micahg> broder: nope, you can backport for any one of natty, oneiric, precise IMHO to lucid
[17:33] <broder> nono, i mean that if you have a precise->lucid backport
[17:33] <broder> we would have opened l/m/n/o tasks
[17:33] <broder> should we drop n and o when we drop m?
[17:33] <micahg> ah, yeah, in that scenario, yes
[17:33] <micahg> broder: well, hold on
[17:33] <broder> i wish we had a better way to convey intent
[17:33] <broder> like, i open bugs where the goal is explicitly "backport to EVERYTHING"
[17:33] <broder> but i think that's often not the case
[17:33] <micahg> broder: ask if the requester wants the natty/oneiric backports still
[17:34] <broder> yeah, sure
[17:34] <micahg> we don't have too many of those, so I'm fine with manual processing once we get a response (set to incomplete so they can expire maybe)
[21:53] <broder> ok. backporters, get your mail filters ready. i'm going to go close out maverick-backports bugs
[22:11] <broder> (done)
[22:11] <broder> will do a followup sweep in a bit to get backports *from* maverick
[22:37] <ajmitch> broder: I got your warning about email too late, now my lp mail is full of backports spam :)
[22:37] <broder> muahaha
[22:38] <Laney> T~N;WN
[22:38] <Laney> :-)
[22:39] <ajmitch> pretty much
[23:13] <asomething> MOTU BoF in #ubuntu-uds-room-202
[23:50] <broder> tumbleweed: you fixed my backportpackage bug! "./gnome-do-precise already exists. Delete it? [y|N]? y"
[23:51] <highvoltage> nʇoɯ ollǝɥ
[23:51] <Laney> gah
[23:53] <crjon> Hello, I am new here and I am trying to get involved with some projects to get coding experience, anyone able to help out
[23:53] <micahg> hi cjwatson
[23:53] <micahg> cjwatson: umping
[23:53] <micahg> hi crjon
[23:54] <highvoltage> hey crjon
[23:54] <micahg> crjon: here's a link to a site where you can find lots of opportunities to fix bugs: http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[23:54] <Resistance> gah, microflood o.O
[23:55] <crjon> hey everyone thanks for the site, I am checking it out


[00:21] <Hanit> hi wxl, I do have to leave soon
[00:21] <Hanit> have you returned to chat?
[14:34] <ily123> what is new on 17.04
[14:35] <tsimonq2> ily123: lots of thing
[14:35] <tsimonq2> s
[14:35] <ily123> like what
[14:35] <tsimonq2> Like a new LXPanel
[14:35] <ily123> should i upgrade?
[14:35] <tsimonq2> Sure
[14:35] <ily123> btw who r u?
[14:35] <tsimonq2> I'm the Lubuntu Release Manager :)
[14:36] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2
[14:36] <tsimonq2> Simon Quigley
[14:36] <ily123> wow
[14:36] <tsimonq2> ily123: But if you're on 16.10, you need to upgrade, otherwise you'll be on an unsupported operating system
[14:37] <ily123> ok
[14:41] <ily123> is torrent dangerous for lubuntu
[14:41] <ily123> by visiting torrent site and downloading torrent
[14:45] <hateball> It's potentially dangerous if you try running what you downloaded
[14:45] <hateball> Not very likely to get malware on Linux, however
[14:47] <ily123> tq
[14:50] <ily123> can i get malware by visiting a page?
[15:28] <tsimonq2> ily123: Very unlikely but possibly
[15:28] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't be too concerned about it.