[00:23] <Square> isn't there a hotkey to cycle between workspaces or go left/right between them? Can't find anything other than "jump to workspace X" or "jump to last/first"
[00:24] <Square> ...in "Settings -> Keyboard-> View and customize shortcuts -> Navigation
[00:45] <RaimondRaj>  error while loading shared libraries: li          bssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:46] <RaimondRaj> why its show like this
[00:46] <RaimondRaj>  error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:47] <amanda87> do you have installed libssl and libssl-dev packages?
[00:50] <RaimondRaj> yes i did
[00:50] <RaimondRaj> stil found this error
[00:51] <Enissay> Is there anyway to enlarge the rename popup input text ? when you want to rename a file/folder, it shows up
[01:41] <Square> no one had issues with "switch workspace" hotkeys? neither <Super>-<PgUp/PgDown> or <Ctrl>-<Alt>-<Up/Down> works. I'm afraid its some configuration artif
[01:41] <Square> ...from previous version of ubuntu.
[01:55] <cartdrige> try to move your .config to .config_old then try the binding again - cause i'm not sure where in .config/ it is but look around here. Might be another .something/ tho.
[01:56] <cartdrige> logout / login after modifying the .config/ just to be sure.
[02:36] <realivanjx> does anyone here know how to fix torify command error? im getting "Unsupported syscall number 39" if i dont use "sudo torify ..."
[02:43] <jhutchins> Square: I actually found a use for an alternate workspace yesterday, and was almost surprized to find that I still had one configured.
[02:45] <jhutchins> !tor
[02:46] <gry> realivanjx: hi
[02:46] <gry> realivanjx: what are you doing with torify? it is a 'torify ssh'?
[02:50] <realivanjx> gry yes
[02:51] <gry> realivanjx: what is the output of 'ls -lad ~/.ssh' and 'ls -la ~/.ssh' ? it will show permissions
[02:52] <realivanjx> gry drwx------
[02:53] <gry> realivanjx: thats on ~/.ssh; what about permissions on the files within it?
[02:54] <realivanjx> gry https://files.catbox.moe/kp9dxg.png
[02:54] <gry> realivanjx: you may need to 'chmod 700 ~/.ssh/config' and then see whether torify starts to work
[02:55] <realivanjx> gry how abt the other files?
[02:55] <gry> realivanjx: probably torify won't need to read them. let's see.
[02:56] <gry> realivanjx: though, in the screenshot, the file names are not shown. this makes it harder to answer that.
[02:57] <realivanjx> it works! thx gry
[02:57] <gry> realivanjx: awesome :-)
[05:53] <lagunaloire321> what a day...i finally got some ubuntu gnome apps working on windows 10 with its linux subsystem...but it was a real pain and still i don't have sound working for rhythmbox
[05:54] <lagunaloire321> its been a real pain all the way to getting a gui app working and booting systemd
[05:54] <lagunaloire321> i think dual boot is far easieer
[05:55] <lagunaloire321> but anyway this is gtk hexchat running on windows10...just for something to do today
[05:55] <lagunaloire321> launched from a bash shell
[05:56] <lagunaloire321> i guess it will be easier if i could afford windows 11 but i cannot
[05:58] <lagunaloire321> i am not really sure why microsoft wants to build the linux subsystem for windows...because anything you can do on linux you can already do on windows...but anyway it is just to get it working
[05:59] <lanre> lagunaloire321 you may need to test an app for linux or something
[05:59] <cartdrige> probably so that newcomers who wants to use Linux stays on Windows to use it.
[05:59] <lanre> or you may just want to try out the terminal interface
[05:59] <lagunaloire321> lanre well if you are smart enough to build and test apps ..you are smart enough to dual boot so why bother with all that
[06:00] <cartdrige> They added Android app support on windows 11 too, but some ppl said it was not so good.
[06:00] <arraybolt3> (re: anything you can do on linux you can already do on windows...) /me heavily disagrees with that statement
[06:00] <lanre> you need to get apps from the amazon web store
[06:01] <lagunaloire321> cartdrige...well i would not mind to get some of that working on windows 10...because the final fantasy game Dysidia for android would look much better on a windows large screen
[06:01] <lanre> you can bypass it with adb but still annoying asf
[06:02] <lagunaloire321> lanre...well i'd like to get Dysidia working on an android emulator for windows so it could use the larger laptop screen instead of that tiny phone stuff you cannot see
[06:03] <lagunaloire321> lanre it is such a waste to make games for crappy phone screens...but since they do ....it might be nice to emulate android on windows
[06:03] <arraybolt3> !ot | lagunaloire321
[06:04] <cartdrige> You can try with Lineage OS into a VM machine like Virtual Box for the android game lagunaloire321 if your PC can run it, but i don't know if the graphics will be very fonctional, i mean for 3D acceleration, but there is a third party Android emulator that would be better, i don't remember the name tho
[06:06] <lagunaloire321> arraybolt you have it all wrong...for the last 25 years linux has just tried to reinvent the microsoft wheel...it has never been creative on its own....anything you can do on linux was already done long ago on windows
[06:08] <lagunaloire321> cartdridge yes Dysidia and a few others are 3d heavyweights...so you need a decent android emulator
[06:08] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire321: I have a lot to say about that... but this is the wrong room. Please take off-topic chat elsewhere.
[06:09] <lagunaloire321> arraybolt3 ok i will move to ubuntu-offtopic since i am trying to run ubuntu software on windows
[06:10] <lagunaloire321> arraynolt3 ok i changed to ubuntu-offtopic
[07:56] <Guest14> Hi guys, I'm seeking opinions and advice on the best web dev frameworks, the only requirement I have is that security is a maximum priority, and that I want the front-end, user browser-facing code to work 100% without any Javascript, but JS can be on the backend. I'm contemplating Ruby on Rails or Django, I want to learn more about the advantages
[07:56] <Guest14> of each, and alternative frameworks or software stacks. Thanks
[08:25] <Guest14> Hi guys, can I harmlessly install (without breaking any software) the Hardened Kernel? $ sudo apt? -S linux-hardened
[08:42] <Guest14> Can someone help me install Linux Kernel Hardened on my Lubuntu os?
[08:44] <SteelRose> Guest14: what is your problem with the installation?
[08:46] <Guest14> idk how or if i should install it
[08:46] <Guest14> will it break some random software on my os
[08:46] <Guest14> or is it seemless and unnoticeable
[09:08] <dostoynikov> hey guys
[09:08] <Guest14> welcome
[10:13] <Guest14> SEeking advice to install Hardened Linux Kernel, will it break any software, etc?
[12:05] <conncurt> I've heard it's not recommended to use the non LTS releases, is that true? Will I have issues or more bugs with the non LTS releases than if I used an LTS release?
[12:06] <ogra> it will only be supported for 9 months and usually does not get fixes backported like an LTS does
[12:07] <ogra> non-LTS releases are also often used to introduce new technology planned for the nxt LTS ... that technology might not be 100 mature yet ...
[12:08] <ogra> beyond this they should not be ess stable than LTS releases
[12:08] <ogra> *less
[12:08] <conncurt> The one, one thing I wish was in 22.04 LTS was the nautilus 43. You think I could compile nautilus on my own and replace the 42 version with that?
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> conncurt: we also often see users choose to be on latest releases for higher kernels or make their newer hardware work, so its up to your case/choice too
[12:09] <meandrain> hi, I installed a nvme drive (via a pciexpress adapter) but my (old) motherboard cannot boot from nvme. So I installed ubuntu 22.04 on an usb stick, and also installed it on the nvme drive. How do I change the root partition to be mounted from the nvme drive?
[12:10] <meandrain> I edited /etc/fstab and changed the UUID (to be of the nvme drive) and also run update-grub, but it still mounts root from the usb stick instead of nvme
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> conncurt: compile your own is not supported in this channel, we usualy advice to stick to package versions meant for your ubuntu release
[12:12] <conncurt> I'll put thought into using either fedora (*tips*) or ubuntu. Thanks for the input.
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> conncurt: however you can try !backports !pinning or snaps
[12:14] <conncurt> Is nautilus/gnome files even on snapcraft? The name files is too generic to search right now. Thanks gnome team.
[12:35] <foofoobarbar> Could someone help me diagnose a network connectivity problem? It was working fine and randomly stopped. My other devices connect fine.
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> !details | foofoobarbar to the channel
[12:38] <foofoobarbar> I have tried hardwired to the modem and wifi. When I try to browse to google.com, it either takes a very long time, or times out completely. All other devices load just fine. I am on Ubuntu 22.04.
[13:17] <meandrain> any idea about my problem ?
[13:20] <ogra> meandrain, there is some code that sets root=UUID=XXXXX on the kernel cmdline
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:36] <meandrain> ogra: thanks for the hint, I will try that
[13:55] <Duck> Hello. What is the process to get a package backported to Ubuntu 22.04? I really would like to see GTK 4.10 get backported when it comes out this march.
[14:00] <ogra> Duck, unlikely that gtk is a good candidate for this (too many packages depending on it, way too high risk) but you can ask on he backports mailing list anyway https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
[14:01] <Duck> What if I want to compile GTK2/3/4 myself? And rather than replace the gtk library, just have the linux applications use the local installed one instead?
[14:03] <cry0xen> you are late someone already did that. its called ctk
[14:03] <ogra> Duck, i persoally would package it as a snap then .. that allows you easily to replace such things
[14:04] <Duck> How would that work ogra? How would I make applications use a patched gtk2/3/4 as a snap?
[14:05] <ogra> Duck, right, you can build gtk as part of your snap and the app inside the snap will use it then ..
[14:07] <ogra> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-your-first-snap#1-overview
[14:27] <CorsairX> Hi all; I've just set up a new Ubuntu 22.10 instance and I'm trying to set up SSH access - I have root access to the machine and I'm using PuttyGen from my Windows box to generate the keys
[14:28] <CorsairX> I've created the authorised_keys file and copied the public key into and verified that only my user has rw access to it
[14:28] <CorsairX> But when I try to connect via Putty, the server rejects the key
[14:29] <CorsairX> I'm not sure how to pin this one down
[14:32] <CorsairX> Please disregard; had to upgrade Putty
[14:49] <bancroft> does there exist an offline resource I can use to get the mapping between ubuntu version and the version code name (e.g., bionic, xenial, ...) ?
[15:03] <EriC^^> what are you trying to do exactly?
[15:05] <istanbul> hi
[15:14] <rob0> bancroft: offline? Why not just make an offline copy of a web page that lists the names?
[15:17] <bancroft> EriC^^: rob0 i'm writing code to define my infrastructure with pulumi and kubernetes, i'm trying to define the ubuntu version at the top level for docker images but certain packages text is problematic. They require the code names: `redis-server=6:7.0.5-1rl1~bionic1` or echo 'deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ bionic-pgdg main' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pgdg.list
[15:18] <bancroft> If I could go the extra mile and say 22, it would be easier to test automated upgrades
[15:19] <bancroft> before actually upgrading
[15:22] <bancroft> if a mapping does not exist i'll just write one and maintain it manually
[16:20] <ogra> bancroft, /etc/os-release has the mapping included ... i.e.:
[16:20] <ogra> grep -E "VERSION_CODENAME|VERSION_ID" /etc/os-release
[16:21] <ogra> will return both
[16:21] <ogra> (imdeed you'd need to d that inside a running instance)
[16:21] <ogra> *do
[16:22] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello. I'm on an SSH server that is shared amongst 5 other people. How do I check the user who opened a file from my home directory most recently?
[16:22] <rob0> Normally other users would not have access to your $HOME
[16:23] <rob0> I don't think there is a way to do that, unless maybe with apparmor or similar
[16:25] <ApostleInTriumph> rob0 if someone with root access uses sshfs and views/opens a file, is it logged somewhere?
[16:29] <rob0> I don't use sshfs, so don't know. I'd think with normal logging that would be highly unlikely, but maybe with some stage of verbose logging you could see as files were opened.
[16:33] <ApostleInTriumph> Is there some tool I could use for this verbose logging?
[16:39] <sonOfRa> https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/configure-linux-auditing-auditd ApostleInTriumph auditd comes to mind. Mind you I haven't personally worked with it, but it does approximately what you want to do. Note that if more than one person has superuser access (and not just limited sudo access to certain commands), they can of course reconfigure auditd.
[16:41] <ApostleInTriumph> sonOfRa thank you!
[16:44] <tomreyn> ApostleInTriumph: actions carried out through sudo are logged by default. however, if that action is *becoming* root, then whatever is done as root is not logged.
[16:45] <ApostleInTriumph> by becoming do you mean `sudo su`?
[16:45] <tomreyn> ApostleInTriumph: so you'd need to prevent users from becoming root to prevent that from happening. which is not so easy if you also want to have them sudo access.
[16:45] <tomreyn> "sudo -i" or, yes, if you do it badly, "sudo su"
[16:46] <tomreyn> as pointed out previously, auditd is a method to log more and make any action auditable. it requires some configuration and has some overhead, though
[16:47] <tomreyn> you should restrict users to be only able to do what they should be able to do in the first place, though,
[16:47] <ApostleInTriumph> anything performed after becoming root is logged in `.bash_history` i see?
[16:48] <tomreyn> unless bash is not used and until the user chooses to not log it or to remove the log
[16:48] <ApostleInTriumph> how can a user choose to not log?
[16:49] <tomreyn> type a space before the command
[16:49] <fly_> bashrc lscolors are not applying. what is the best way to troubleshoot?
[16:50] <ApostleInTriumph> ah i see
[16:51] <jhutchins> fly_: Are you actually running bash?
[16:51] <ApostleInTriumph> tomreyn thanks for all this info! much appreciated
[16:52] <tomreyn> fly_: echo $SHELL
[16:53] <tomreyn> fly_: echo $LS_COLORS | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:53] <jhutchins> tomreyn: What is the sequence that shell rc files are sourced in Ubuntu?
[16:56] <tomreyn> jhutchins: i don't think i can provide the definitive list OTOH
[16:58] <tomreyn> also it depends of a couple things, i think for example, .profile is "not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login exists"
[16:59] <tomreyn> and then things may be different if you login vs. just su
[17:00] <tomreyn> "~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc) for examples"
[17:05] <fly_> I am runing terminal and starting ubuntu
[17:11] <fly_> yes running bash it echos bach
[17:13] <fly_> fixed it by putting source at end of bash script.
[17:13] <dreamon> alkisg1, Thank you! it worked (gmail - app-password)
[17:13] <alkisg1> dreamon: nice! (it worked for me too :))
[17:16] <jhutchins> fly_: Very good!
[17:37] <HaroldH> I bought  a "not bad" laptop - it of course had "that other" OS on it.  Have installed Ubuntu 22.04 - for some reason sounds is not working.  Any guidance would be appreciated
[17:44] <tmus> I'm trying to figure out how to prevent my monitor from going to sleep when locking the screen. Any ideas?
[18:02] <tomreyn> HaroldH: examine which audio chipset you have, and try a newer kernel and maybe newer linux-firmware
[18:02] <tomreyn> !sound | HaroldH
[18:02] <HaroldH> tomreyn: as far as I am aware I have the newest kernel and the newest firmware
[18:03] <HaroldH> I did a MINIMAL install so I do not have a sound applet - how do I get that
[18:03] <tomreyn> HaroldH: that's both unlikely. you may have the latest linux-firmware and the latest kernel that's by default, available for your ubuntu release,
[18:04] <tomreyn> you did a minimal install of what exactly?
[18:05] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds     run in a terminal would help clarify that
[18:05] <HaroldH> tomreyn: following your advice I did install in the panel the sound control - and I do now have sounds - TY so much.  As to minimal when I installed the installer asked me if I wanted to do a minimal and I said yes
[18:06] <tomreyn> i don't remember recommending to "install in the panel the sound control", but maybe that was another day.
[18:06] <HaroldH> tomreyn: right you did mot - but you said the applet
[18:07] <tomreyn> i don't see me saying this, but i'm glad it helped, that's good. ;)
[18:07] <tomreyn> are you running ubuntu or a different flavor? which ubuntu release?
[18:08] <LetsPlayNik> Hello
[18:08] <Guest1705> Hello
[18:08] <rancorsoft> Konnichiwa
[18:10] <LetsPlayNik> what do you think about ubuntu
[18:10] <tomreyn> !discuss | LetsPlayNik
[18:15] <bancroft> ogra: thank you, that will work nicely
[18:18] <enyc> skybreez: this is correct ubuntu channel to ask general ubuntu-user questions!
[18:22] <skybreez> Hi enyc please can you help me? I have to remove and insert my USB Bluetooth dongle several times to get it detected.
[18:22] <skybreez> @enyc:
[18:23] <enyc> skybreez: ubuntu version?
[18:23] <skybreez> enyc: 22.04
[18:27] <webchat76> hello, my upgrade to 18.04 does not start.
[18:30] <webchat76> 2022-02-04 13:12:52,354 INFO Using config files '['./DistUpgrade.cfg.xenial', '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/ubuntu-advantage-upgrades.cfg']'
[18:30] <webchat76> 2022-02-04 13:12:52,354 INFO uname information: 'Linux red-desktop 4.4.0-210-generic #242-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 09:57:56 UTC 2021 x86_64'
[18:30] <webchat76> 2022-02-04 13:12:53,114 INFO apt version: '1.2.35'
[18:30] <webchat76> 2022-02-04 13:12:53,114 INFO python version: '3.5.2 (default, Jan 26 2021, 13:30:48)
[18:30] <webchat76> [GCC 5.4.0 20160609]'
[18:30] <webchat76> 2022-02-04 13:12:53,123 INFO release-upgrader version '18.04.45' started
[18:30] <webchat76> 2022-02-04 13:12:53,261 INFO locale: 'de_DE' 'UTF-8'
[18:31] <tomreyn> !paste | webchat76
[18:31] <tomreyn> webchat76: you can now talkagain, but please do not paste here directly, see ubottu's message
[18:32] <webchat76> ok
[18:33] <tomreyn> note also that 16.04 has been without security updates and support for years, unless you have commercial support via ESM
[18:34] <webchat76> ESM?
[18:34] <tomreyn> !esm | webchat76
[18:36] <webchat76> it seems to be better using a newer version
[18:36] <tomreyn> for sure
[18:37] <webchat76> my problem is that upgrade doesnt work
[18:37] <tomreyn> do you want to post the logs to a pastebin then?
[18:38] <tomreyn> also make sure your system is fully updated
[18:38] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[18:38] <webchat76> i posted the main.log here:)
[18:39] <tomreyn> you were quieted while posting the log here.
[18:40] <tomreyn> (so only part of it was posted directly to the channel, the rest was dropped.)
[18:44] <ogra> !eol
[18:44] <ogra> webchat76, ^^^
[18:45] <webchat76> thx tomreyn and ubottu. also ogra:)
[18:46] <tomreyn> the eolupgrades guide may not apply, though, usually EOL LTS releases remain on the mirrors until ESM is over.
[18:46] <webchat76> bye
[18:46] <tomreyn> so you're not going to upgrade?
[18:48] <webchat76> i have 2 other running versions without any problems. only my 16.04 does not upgrade
[18:50] <tomreyn> well, you can reinstall there. or try to fix the issue. we, however, won't be able to help you fix it until you provide more information, such as, by posting the log to dpaste.com, and the url of that post here.
[18:54] <webchat76> i will do so later and thx once more
[18:55] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:45] <mearvk> register millsboro<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:18] <N9NU> has anyone else with a laptop have the Open source Nvidia drivers installed for 525.53 (latest) ??
[21:18] <N9NU> i have compiled them successfully
[21:19] <N9NU> but do i need to prevent the intel i915 driver from loading in order to use them
[21:21] <Jeremy31> N9NU you will need Secure Boot disabled in order to use compiled modules
[21:22] <N9NU> yeah...that or sign them in UEFI yes ?
[21:22] <Jeremy31> Easier to disable than to use MOK to sign modules
[21:23] <N9NU> agreed there
[21:24] <N9NU> however i have win 11 22h2 installed as wellon 2nd m2 drive.
[21:24] <N9NU> i know i can use uefi to swao
[21:24] <N9NU> p


[13:04] <AnhVoMSFT> Odd_Bloke I am running into this weird pylint error
[13:05] <AnhVoMSFT> ************* Module cloudinit.tests.test_conftest
[13:05] <AnhVoMSFT> cloudinit/tests/test_conftest.py:14: [E1120(no-value-for-parameter), TestDisableSubpUsage.test_typeerrors_on_incorrect_usage] No value for argument 'args' in function call
[13:06] <AnhVoMSFT> it does not happen if I checkout to my local box and run tox, but somehow in our build server it's throwing this error. I've cross-checked the versions of the modules and they seem to match. Do you have any idea on top of your head why I might be seeing this?
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> Technically it's correct, we are intentionally calling the function without that necessary parameter.
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> But I don't know why we aren't seeing it consistently.
[13:44] <Odd_Bloke> AnhVoMSFT: Does your build server not use tox?
[13:45] <Odd_Bloke> ausfestivus: Hmm, interesting; what's the serial in /etc/cloud/build.info?
[13:54] <AnhVoMSFT> Odd_Bloke it does use tox, which is why it has been puzzling me
[13:56] <AnhVoMSFT> it runs the whole test in a xenial container (I don't think it would make a difference. I did try to run the whole thing in a xenial container but also did not reproduce the issue)
[14:05] <Odd_Bloke> AnhVoMSFT: Could you paste the full tox log for a failing run?
[14:16] <AnhVoMSFT> @Odd_Bloks https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QMkhNtShjW/
[14:17] <AnhVoMSFT> @Odd_Bloke https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QMkhNtShjW/
[14:18] <AnhVoMSFT> we're running "tox -e py3 -e xenial -e pycodestyle -e pyflakes -e pylint" in the build server but the very same command doesn't fail in my dev box
[14:51] <lucasmoura> Hi everyone, I am working creating a schema for cc_apt_configure, similar to what we have in other config modules such as cc_ubuntu_drivers. However, I don know how to properly handle the description we already have. Right now, it describes the all of the parameters the config accepts
[14:51] <lucasmoura> Should I add the entire text under the description key of the schema dict or should I break it down by property and just add an overall description for the description key ?
[14:55] <rharper> lucasmoura: have you looked at some of the other modules with schemas?  cc_ntp.py  ;
[14:56] <rharper> lucasmoura: I think you'll end up including much of the docs around the elements of the schema, and look at cc_runcmd.py, it pushed the examples into an 'examples'  parameter; and then we use get_schema_doc() to convert to docstring
[14:56] <lucasmoura> okay, I will take look at them. Thanks rharper
[14:56] <rharper> lucasmoura: and you can use tox -e docs to render the output to see how its looking,  checking https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#runcmd
[15:00] <lucasmoura> cool, thanks again rharper :)
[15:13] <Odd_Bloke> lucasmoura: Also `cloud-init devel schema -d cc_runcmd` will emit the documentation markup for cc_runcmd, which can be useful for iterating so you don't have to do a full doc run.
[15:50] <Odd_Bloke> Is the job log on https://travis-ci.org/github/canonical/cloud-init/jobs/683892541 failing to load for anyone else, or is it just me?
[15:52] <Odd_Bloke> (I forgot that restarting the job would wipe out the previous log (or lack thereof), oh well.)
[15:58] <Odd_Bloke> OK, pushing a completely new commit also doesn't fix it, so I'm going to leave that for a while and assume we'll see a Travis outage notification before too long. :p
[19:26] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: blackboxsw: lucasmoura: falcojr: smoser: I'm working on some more unit testing docs, and I'd like us to standardise the module-level constant we use in test modules for the prefix for the module under test (e.g. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/sources/tests/test_oracle.py#L19).  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wBx3mcG5Fj/ is a rough list of the ones we use currently.  I'd
[19:26] <Odd_Bloke> like to suggest we standardise on M_PATH in general, with an exception for DS_PATH in datasource tests.  What do you think?
[19:29] <lucasmoura> Odd_Bloke, No problem for me
[19:45] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: +1 on M_PATH ,  did we also standardize on the attribute name? m_<how verbose should this be?> m_util_subp?  m_config_cc_ntp_util_subp  ?
[19:46] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: good work on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/348#pullrequestreview-406931356
[19:46] <blackboxsw> I'm +1, awaiting CI
[19:47] <blackboxsw> falcojr: that approach might also relate to your work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1876414 too
[19:49] <falcojr> what do you mean by approach?
[19:52] <blackboxsw> falcojr: ohh I mean that if you are adding unit tests that involve json schema we probably need to use the @skipUnlessJsonSchema decorator
[19:52] <blackboxsw> so unit tests will succeed on all distros. (some of which won't have Json schema)
[19:54] <falcojr> ahh, gotcha. Yeah thanks for the heads up. I think that can remove my file filter
[19:56] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: We do have the m_ prefix standardised (right above https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html#type-annotations).
[19:56] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: excellent
[19:59] <falcojr> why do we need an import check for jsonschema in our tests?
[20:00] <falcojr> jsonschema is in requirements.txt...is there somewhere that tests run that doesn't install requirements.txt?
[20:01] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: The unit tests are run as part of the Ubuntu package builds (and hopefully other package builds) against the Python packages installed in the test system via debs.  xenial does not have the jsonschema dependency.
[20:01] <Odd_Bloke> (At least xenial, I just know that one for sure because lucasmoura and I happened to look at that patch during our conversation yesterday. :)
[20:01] <blackboxsw> falcojr: in cloud-init we have some dependencies that are considered optional runtime dependencies. If not present we have try/except ImportError blocks that handle graceful feature-disabling if the module isn't available
[20:02] <falcojr> interesting...thanks!
[20:05] <blackboxsw> the other python module which are not a hard/firm requirement are: cheetah (cloudinit/templater.py)  oauthlib.oauth1 (cloudinit/url_helper.py)  and I thought there was something else
[20:05] <lucasmoura> Does anyone know if it is possible to share a property in a local jsonschema ? For apt_configure, primary and security have the same config variables, so I thing it is best to define them once and reuse them on both fields. I was taking a look at ref, but since it is a python module, I think the pointer does not work properly...
[20:05] <blackboxsw> my fgrep-fu is not showing me the other "optional" runtime dependency
[20:06] <Odd_Bloke> pyserial.
[20:08] <Odd_Bloke> Jinja2 is also optional.
[20:09] <blackboxsw> thanks Odd_Bloke right, forgot about jinja and lumped that in my head with jsonschema :/
[20:10] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: did we create a card or bug to better document cloudinit dependencies (hard vs 'soft')
[20:10] <blackboxsw> I thought we just talked about this
[20:16] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I have a post-it on my desk to do so, does that count? :p
[20:17] <blackboxsw> yes, yes I can see that clearly from the nanny cam I just had installed at your house. #countit
[20:19] <blackboxsw> merged https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/348 lucasmoura thanks!
[20:20] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, great :)
[20:24] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: I just manually added https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1876412/comments/1 now that your branch merged and Fix Commited the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1876412/comments/1
[20:25] <lucasmoura> Thanks blackboxsw :)
[20:25] <blackboxsw> at some point lucasmoura and falcojr we'd probably like to extend our github automation to maintain launchpad bugs automatically on our behalf (like a cron job in travis or github action)
[20:25] <blackboxsw> just FYI so we don't have to manually maintain bugs in launchpad at some point
[20:25] <lucasmoura> makes sense
[20:42] <Odd_Bloke> I've opened myriad PRs today, BTW, I've been working through a backlog of papercuts.  Reviews much appreciated!
[20:49] <falcojr> I get errors building pyyaml when running tox...any obvious answers?
[20:54] <falcojr> bah, nevermind. My mental model of tox is broken. I thought it used its own virtualenvs for everything, but I get different results when running in a virtualenv
[21:44] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: I've just reviewed #355, thanks for the PR!  As I say in the PR, I think this test would work well as a parameterised test.  Would you like to setup some time tomorrow to pair on converting it?


[00:02] <nukke> S1lly: what do you mean by disc? the optical CD/DVD on which you burned the Xubuntu ISO?
[00:03] <S1lly> indeed
[00:03] <S1lly> it use to work
[00:03] <S1lly> but now it doesn't
[00:03] <nukke> are you trying it on the same computer?
[00:03] <S1lly> yes
[00:03] <S1lly> and the funny thing is
[00:03] <S1lly> that no scratches
[00:03] <S1lly> on the disc i mena
[00:04] <S1lly> mean*
[00:04] <nukke> that's strange. what problems is it giving you? blank screen? can you hear it spinning inside the drive?
[00:06] <S1lly> ye something like that
[00:06] <S1lly> it tells me that
[00:06] <nukke> if your computer is not letting you boot into the disc, you might have to give the CD/DVD-ROM boot priority inside the BIOS.
[00:06] <S1lly> an archive from the disc was dameged
[00:06] <S1lly> don't remember which one
[00:07] <S1lly> no it boots
[00:07] <S1lly> but in the loeading window
[00:07] <S1lly> it like takes for ever to load
[00:07] <S1lly> and then that error comes up
[00:08] <nukke> ah, ok. it sounds like the disc is damaged, then. even if it doesn't have scratches, it could've gotten damage some other way, like intense heat.
[00:08] <nukke> have you tried booting it in a different computer?
[00:09] <S1lly> hummmm
[00:10] <S1lly> i actually don't have the other computer right now
[00:10] <S1lly> but i do have another one
[00:10] <nukke> in any case, it sounds like it might have gotten damaged. you will probably have to burn another disc.
[00:11] <nukke> you can also create a bootable USB drive, if you happen to have a spare USB drive around.
[00:12] <S1lly> i know but
[00:12] <S1lly> my computer doesn't boot usb
[00:12] <S1lly> idk why
[00:12] <S1lly> it's a pentium 4
[00:12] <S1lly> old comoputer
[00:16] <HypothesisFrog> hi.
[00:16] <HypothesisFrog> what should I use to watch .pptx files?
[00:17] <nukke> HypothesisFrog: LibreOffice supports .pptx
[00:18] <nukke> you could also use Google Docs.
[00:24] <MrHotsauce> Hey everyone i was wondering if someone could help me out. Ever since i updated to 13.04 i have problems with my usb headset. Every so often it just stops putting sound through the microphone. I can usually fix this by going into the volume control and disabling and re-enabling it. This didn't happen in 12.10 any ideas on how to fix it?
[00:26] <S1lly> one more question
[00:27] <S1lly> does someone knows how to put in windows xp
[00:27] <S1lly> the same mouse sensitivity from xubuntu's default one?
[00:41] <nukke> S1lly: try this: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/mouse_speed_in_x/
[00:42] <nukke> S1lly: there should be a mouse option inside the Settings Manager in Xfce, though.
[00:43] <S1lly> let's check it out
[00:43] <nukke> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/mouse
[00:43] <S1lly> i'll give you a heads up
[00:46] <S1lly> yo nukke, uhm i ment like how to put the same mouse sentivity from xubuntu in windows xp
[00:49] <xubuntu375> hey guys
[00:49] <xubuntu375> anyone there?
[00:49] <maitake> i am
[00:49] <maitake> what's up?
[00:49] <xubuntu375> well i just downloaded xubuntu and
[00:49] <xubuntu375> i put it on my usb
[00:50] <xubuntu375> then ran it through the boot menu
[00:50] <xubuntu375> and nothing happens
[00:50] <S1lly> humm that happend to me too
[00:50] <xubuntu375> does my usb need to be in a speical format?
[00:50] <nukke> S1lly: well, in Windows XP, inside the Control Panel there's a "mouse" icon. you're gonna have to manually tune it to be similar to Xubuntu's.
[00:50] <S1lly> instead i burned it in a disc
[00:51] <xubuntu375> i've done it before on usb
[00:51] <S1lly> damn i wish there was a tool for that
[00:51] <nukke> xubuntu375: it should be in FAT32. what program did you use to create the bootable USB?
[00:51] <xubuntu375> i thought the iso
[00:51] <xubuntu375> is already bootable?
[00:51] <S1lly> thx! nukke for all your cooperation
[00:51] <nukke> S1lly: you are more than welcome.
[00:51] <xubuntu375> can you recommand me some programs?
[00:52] <xubuntu375> to make it bootable
[00:52] <nukke> xubuntu375: it needs some fine tuning. if you're using Windows to create the bootable USB, use Unetbootin.
[00:52] <nukke> or Universal USB Installer.
[00:52] <xubuntu375> ahh okay
[00:52] <xubuntu375> got it
[00:52] <maitake> xubuntu375: i use 'unetbootin'
[00:52] <xubuntu375> thanks man
[00:52] <maitake> unetbootin works great :)
[00:52] <maitake> type: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[00:52] <xubuntu375> thanks for the help guys
[00:53] <xubuntu375> greatly apperciate it
[00:53] <nukke> xubuntu375: if you encounter any other problems, make sure to come back.
[00:53] <maitake> make sure your thumb drive is formatted fat32 though like he said
[00:53] <xubuntu375> alright
[00:53] <maitake> good luck xubuntu375 !
[01:00] <maitake> anyone know of any xfce plugins (panel i guess) other than what's in xfce-goodies?
[01:04] <nukke> is there anything in specific you're looking for?
[01:05] <S1lly> are you guys computer software engeneers :D?
[01:06] <nukke> I am.
[01:07] <S1lly> nice :)
[01:07] <S1lly> i'm studing that
[01:07] <S1lly> sorry for my bad english
[01:09] <nukke> no worries. this channel has people from all over the world, so it's understandable.
[01:10] <S1lly> ^^
[01:16] <zhaotongxue> nicr to meet evety
[01:16] <zhaotongxue> one
[01:16] <zhaotongxue> everyone
[01:19] <maitake> nukke: not specifically no.. i was just browsing around looking for whatever
[01:19] <maitake> doesn't seem to be any that people are making
[01:19] <maitake> user made, i mean
[04:45] <myersg> Hi, I just installed Libre office, but it seems it′s theming is not the same as the other programs
[04:45] <myersg>  libreoffice-gtk is installed..
[04:48] <myersg> here is how it looks
[04:48] <myersg> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-07292013-114700pm.php
[06:07] <hylian> I get a blinking cursor on my desktop after log in, and then I get a forced log out if I do anything.. anyone heard of this error?
[08:13] <nantou> xubuntu is fully proxified. How do I open a not proxified app ?
[09:26] <recon_lap1> Hi, got a little issue with updating, seems the packages linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic are being held back? current installed 3.2.0-49-generic. any idea why this is happening?
[09:28] <TheSheep> recon_lap1: probably you have something installed that requires them
[09:28] <TheSheep> recon_lap1: it should tell you when you try to upgrade them explicitly
[09:28] <Sysi> another user reported that happening with certain mirror, try using another one
[09:29] <recon_lap1> ok, I'll try that out, I have mysql-5.6 installed and have blocked mysql5.5 from updating, might have something to do with it.
[09:29] <Sysi> you also should try apt-get update before retrying
[09:30] <recon_lap1> Sysi: k
[09:37] <recon_lap1> hmm, strange,   Synaptic started and completed the update this time. no idea why it worked this time and not before!!
[09:40] <DarkAudit> is 13.04 going to get the 3.10 kernel, and do I really need it?
[09:40] <recon_lap1> anyway, thx for the help
[09:40] <koegs> DarkAudit: nope and nope
[10:21] <gurrot72> quit
[10:21] <gurrot72> exit
[10:41] <xezno> Hello
[10:41] <lderan> hello xezno
[10:42] <lderan> Are you in need of some support today? :)
[10:42] <xezno> can someone fell me where the sys requirements are
[10:42] <xezno> tell*
[10:42] <xezno> thanks lderan
[10:42] <elfy> xezno: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[10:42] <lderan> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ at the bottom of the page :)
[10:43] <xezno> thanks
[10:43] <xezno> all i needed
[10:45] <xezno> byez
[11:00] <xubuntu396> Excuse me, I need help with setting up my wireless connection for my Dell 1394 WLAN Minicard wireless adapter.
[11:26] <pplcf> so I installed update today
[11:26] <pplcf> and now I have some xorg problems
[11:27] <lderan> what is happening pplcf
[11:27] <pplcf> whenever I show/hide/minimize/maximize any window
[11:27] <pplcf> xorg starts to eat 99% cpu
[11:30] <lderan> are you using a nvidia card by any chance?
[11:30] <lderan> with dual monitors?
[11:30] <pplcf> no, AMD 7850, one monitor
[11:30] <pplcf> proprietary amd drivers
[11:40] <pplcf> i'll try to remove amd drivers
[11:42] <pplcf> everything is ok now
[11:45] <lderan> huzzah
[19:05] <peyam> hi
[19:05] <peyam> I have 4 intel cores
[19:05] <peyam> but I can just get the temperature of two of them
[19:05] <peyam> sensors  gives just temperature of two
[19:05] <peyam> and hardinfo says i have 4
[19:06] <koegs> peyam: which cpu exactly?
[19:06] <peyam> intel i 3
[19:06] <peyam> wait
[19:07] <koegs> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model
[19:07] <torax> lscpu|grep Thread
[19:07] <peyam> -Computer-
[19:07] <peyam> Processor		: 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2370M CPU @ 2.40GHz
[19:08] <torax> you got 2 core and hyperthreading
[19:08] <koegs> it only has two real cores, with hyper-threading enabled
[19:08] <koegs> torax :)
[19:08] <peyam> what does it mean?
[19:08] <torax> haha, :D
[19:09] <peyam> I can see how many % each cores does with ${cpu cpu0} to cpu3
[19:09] <koegs> peyam: your cpu has two physical cores, but each physical core emulates another 2 logical cores
[19:10] <peyam> is it good?
[19:10] <koegs> it is not bad, but not as "good" as four physical cores
[19:10] <koegs> so can have two threads running at 100% but not four threads at 100%
[19:12] <peyam> okej okej
[19:12] <peyam> is Intel i3 better than celeron?
[19:18] <peyam> yes it is
[19:18] <peyam> im readin now
[21:47] <Dragast> good evening everyone... I seem to have run into a bit of a problem with Xubuntu and would like some help if possible
[21:48] <Noskcaj> !ask | Dragast
[21:50] <Dragast> thank you :) Question is how can I make Xubuntu and a recovered NTFS partition coexist (I installed Xubunu and it deleted my D drive)
[21:51] <nukke> Dragast: you mean you want to have Windows and Linux on the same machine?
[21:52] <Dragast> No I wanted Linux and my D: drive that was for storage to be all on the same disk, but Linux deleted everyting... I did manage to recover the partition that had all my files but now Linux does not want to boot
[22:24] <xubuntu083> Hey guys I need help setting up my wireless connection for my dell 1394 WLAN minicard.  It seems that it's either unsupported or unrecognized by xubuntu
[22:24] <xubuntu083> I tried connecting to ethernet and although the connection works, I still don't have access to internet
[22:26] <xubuntu083> I've looked at solutions and have tried installing b43 firmware but I can't get past updating
[22:27] <xubuntu083> I'm not sure what to do in this situation... If anyone can, please help!
[22:35] <damiank> hi


[12:28] <stromham> ?
[12:28] <stromham> hello
[12:28] <stromham> i would like to apologize
[12:30] <stromham> my antics where bad
[12:31] <stromham> i did not Dos attack you
[12:31] <stromham> i just spamed
[12:31] <stromham> it was b/c i thought you where trying to streal my project from me
[12:32] <stromham> well bye
[01:07] <dotwaffle> locely.
[01:07] <dotwaffle> lovely even
[03:03] <adamant1988> hello all!
[03:04] <adamant1988> how's everyone?
[03:05] <j_baer> just checked in, doing ok ...
[03:06] <adamant1988> that's good.
[03:06] <adamant1988> I've had my faith in the future of ubuntu in the home restored.
[03:07] <adamant1988> I thought that the codecs were a bit hard to get for the home user right now, especcially one who is unfamiliar with linux or a command line... but the easycodecs thing for eft looks promising :)
[03:08] <j_baer> I've haven't tried eft yet, how does it look?
[05:28] <Selt> jenda?
[05:28] <adamant1988> I don't think Jenda is here...
[05:28] <Selt> i would like to apologize.
[05:28] <Selt> adamant1988 for my immature behavior
[05:28] <ormiret> jenda ought to be back on Tuesday
[05:29] <adamant1988> are you the one with the bot?
[05:29] <Selt> why did he close my channel?
[05:29] <Selt> #goubuntu forwards to here
[05:29] <adamant1988> that's not what I asked.
[05:29] <adamant1988> I asked if you were the one with the bot.
[05:30] <Selt> yes i did have the bot(s) and yes i was immature and yes i spammed.
[05:30] <adamant1988> ok... well... that's probably why your channel was closed... (best guess)
[05:30] <Selt> but it was my channel
[05:30] <bimberi> Selt: jenda didn't close it. And afaik didn't request it.  It was Freenode staff at the request of a lot of other annoyed people in this channel
[05:31] <Selt> ok
[05:31] <Selt> well i said i was sorry and there is not any more i can do
[05:31] <Selt> bye
[05:31] <bimberi> Selt: That said.  Onya for coming to apologize :)
[05:33] <bimberi> s/z/s/ :)
[10:56] <matthewrevell> Morning all.
[10:57] <Seveas> mornin
[10:59] <mdke> is it possible there have been no emails to the list since yesterday evening?
[11:00] <mdke> this is unheard of
[11:00] <matthewrevell> mdke: I've been busy the past few evenings, trying to revive a dying ThinkPad, and Jenda's on holiday :)
[11:00] <mdke> as long as my newsgroup isn't broken
[11:01] <matthewrevell> mdke: Do you access it through Google Groups? Or do you have a mail to nntp gateway?
[11:03] <mdke> i use gmane
[11:03] <matthewrevell> Ah right
[11:03] <matthewrevell> That would explain why you don't wanna be CC'd :)
[11:04] <mdke> yeah, although when I used email I didn't want to be either :)
[11:10] <ompaul> mdke, I don't think you were here yesterday when cody and his mate came back in and said sorry
[11:10] <ompaul> we were all so shocked we put away our mailers :)
[11:11] <ompaul> he did some screenshots and stuck them on flicker and linked from the SU page
[11:12] <matthewrevell> ompaul: Ooh, what time was that?
[11:12] <matthewrevell> ompaul: Wanna scroll back through logs :)
[11:13] <ompaul> matthewrevell, last night - if you really want a time I will get it
[11:14] <ompaul> circa 21:30 uk local
[11:14] <matthewrevell> ompaul: Cheers.
[11:15] <ompaul> np
[11:28] <matthewrevell> Okay, so Cody seems apologetic.
[11:28] <matthewrevell> I'd like to see him sign the CoC, at least, before he takes part in the team.
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> it was ~ 11 hours ago
[11:29] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I'm just reading back through the log :)
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:31] <ompaul> matthewrevell, well I think we get him to do a little and then say here is the CoC
[11:32] <ompaul> have a look, it is what we aspire to
[11:32] <ompaul> matthewrevell, I think that works better
[11:33] <matthewrevell> ompaul: Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, the bloke's gonna prove himself one way or the other through his actions, so most of this is moot, but I don't see why he shouldn't sign the CoC before anything else.
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, hm. making people sign it doesnt really jell with me :|. if they sign it for the sake of it then its not any advantage to anyone
[11:35] <Madpilot> interesting - stromham even showed up here and tried to apologize - check the "current" log
[11:35] <ompaul> matthewrevell, I have to say I am with Kamping_Kaiser
[11:35] <ompaul> Madpilot, I saw that but he was gone before I got to reply
[11:35] <mdke> CoC signing should be a prerequisite of team membership, I'd say
[11:36] <mdke> whatever team membership is
[11:36] <Madpilot> ompaul, he reappeared as "Selt", it looks like
[11:37] <ompaul> mdke, I concur, but that being said I would not turn anyone away that was reading or contributing :-)
[11:37] <Madpilot> complaining that he'd had "his channel" taken away from him
[11:37] <ompaul> Madpilot, had not seen that
[11:37] <Madpilot> ompaul, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-marketing-current.html @ 0530 mark
[11:40] <matthewrevell> Over the years, I've dealt with loads of guys who mistake the anonymity of IRC and other online communications with an opportunity for impunity.
[11:40] <mdke> ompaul: the code governings all interactions on Ubuntu channels and lists
[11:40] <matthewrevell> The torrent of abuse against Jenda was pretty harsh, all becaus they thought he'd taken "their" project.
[11:41] <matthewrevell> Asking them to read the CoC and agree to it means that they have the opportunity to understand how we expect people to interract and means we have some stick-potential, i.e. "You read it, you've broken it, you should have known better"
[11:42] <Madpilot> "stick potential" - nice way to put it ;)
[11:42] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: It's not a case of getting over it. I'm not particularly bothered by guys like this, they're all over the net. But the CoC is pretty important to Ubuntu, IMO, and these guys have demonstrated they're not in tune with it.
[11:42] <ompaul> mdke, yes that is what it is there for, I will reply with a little more verbosity in a moment
[11:45] <matthewrevell> Anyway, if the team isn't bothered, then I'll leave it :) Don't want to discourage people from taking part but we do have community, errr, rules and they'r eimportant to enabling us to get on with our work here.
[11:45] <matthewrevell> N
[11:45] <matthewrevell> Right, I'll leave it there :) I'll spend my time doing something more constructive :)
[11:48] <ompaul> The CoC is there to include people in the community, it does govern the interactions between people. Showing it to someone should not be done with a demand to sign. It should be shown to them as this is how we interact and how we define our relationships with each other. We ask them to respect that. That is all.
[11:48] <ompaul> If they see fit to get more involved they have some concept of where we are at.
[11:49] <matthewrevell> Not a demand to sign, but a request that if they want to take part in our team, they should demonstrate they understand the way we work by reading it and agreeing to it, because they're demonstrated they really don't understand that, so far.
[11:49] <matthewrevell> Anyway, sorry, I said I'd leave it :)
[11:51] <Madpilot> later all - need sleep
[11:54] <mindspin> btw had anyone success in signing COC v.1.01 ? I never had luck when traying to sign it
[11:54] <ompaul> yes
[11:55] <ompaul> mindspin,  I revoked my old gpg keys so it I kind of had to :-)
[11:55] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah, no probs
[11:55] <mindspin> it was always complaining that the file is not the correct version, any help ompaul?
[11:55] <ompaul> mindspin, lets take it to pm
[11:55] <mindspin> yup
[11:57] <mdke> mindspin: known bug, but should be fixed now
[11:58] <mdke> (in launchpad)
[11:58] <ompaul> ahh
[12:21] <matthewrevell> hello guys
[12:22] <bimberi> hi matthewrevell :)
[12:22] <PlHL> Hi matthewrevell
[12:22] <PlHL> Wouw, there has come a lot of members in here since my last visit :)
[12:23] <matthewrevell> Yeah, things are building up :)
[12:24] <PlHL> Sure is. The post list has also been busy I can see: 100+ mails :)
[12:26] <matthewrevell> Yeah, it's good to see
[12:28] <PlHL> Any statistics on how Ubuntu is doing after the dapper release? On how many new users / downloads?
[12:29] <matthewrevell> I don't have any, but it's certainly the sort of info I'd like to get.
[12:39] <PlHL> Hnm, we should consider making a statistics group within the marketing team some day. Doing statistics on all sorts of things e.g. user contet
[12:39] <PlHL> *contentness
[12:39] <PlHL> problema areas, wishes and so forth
[12:45] <ompaul> PlHL, the install base is not really possible - you are talking about corrilating all the downloads from how many different mirrors, let us not forget the torrents - and then there is the did they upgrade or install for one disk - so it is my opinion that figures for Linux are way lower shipit alone is responsible for how many disks and how many of them were copied, and as for well everyone uses login and it was patched how many downloads
[12:45] <ompaul> of that took place my update with feed 5 6machines
[12:46] <ompaul> typos wow, ehh, my update will feed 5 or 6 machines
[12:48] <PlHL> Yeah you're right ompaul; it would be highly inaccurate figures. It would stille be fun to know how many new Ubuntu users there are after the Dapper release
[12:50] <ompaul> PlHL, [semi humourous rant]  there are 11781 wiki pages right now :-) there is approx 21 gigs to make a full archive :-) There are currently 495758 people and 482 teams registered in Launchpad. :-) and you want to know how many people are using dapper that were not using Ubuntu before .... well, ehh one that I know of
[12:50] <ompaul> personally
[12:51] <ompaul> actually several people are now using it that were not using it before :-) I gave dvds to all the staff in a small company I do some work for now and again
[12:52] <PlHL> Heh, I want to know how total number of Ubuntu users developed since the launch, and especially how the development in new users has been after Dapper. Dapper has received a huge response as no distro before it. It got to have some impact
[12:53] <PlHL> Yeah ompaul, With Dapper I've also managed for the first time to convince some people to try out Linux ;)
[12:53] <PlHL> It's my enthusiasm which convinces them: "well, if it's SO good I'll try it" :P
[12:55] <ompaul> it is interesting to note the change in #ubuntu over the last couple of years
[12:57] <PlHL> Only been there for a year. But remember it was hard to get answers from people then; well, perhaps it's because my questions then was dumber than today ;P
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> PlHL, back then i was 'helping' ;)
[12:57] <PlHL> Heh, not me Kamping_Kaiser :P
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[12:59] <PlHL> I had too many problems with hoary then, so eventually I gave up on it and only rarely used it. Now I run Dapper on 3 out of 4 partitions :)
[01:00] <ompaul> 2 years ago the community looking for help were more technical,
[01:01] <PlHL> yeah ompaul, probably why it was more difficult to get newb help even a year ago
[01:02] <PlHL> Now even I can help some newbs with problems (I'm still a newb though)
[01:02] <ompaul> mostly ex other distro users, now it is mostly new from windows, one of the pointers to this is the fall off in the amount of requests of the bot for !rootsudo
[01:03] <bimberi> ompaul: there are a few other measures too - in dapper when you first open gnome-terminal on a fresh install it tells you about sudo
[01:06] <bimberi> ompaul: i miss bob2 :(
[01:06] <ompaul> bimberi, this is true, however even with that knowledge to hand there was many a stand up row about "I am not using sudo I am using root" in #ubuntu and we kind of have gotten to the point of if you are going to advise users please do it "this way", your way is not necessarly wrong but it involves others in this channel not knowing the base configuration and that is hardly fair on the person being helped or us.
[01:07] <ompaul> bimberi, he was rather useful, I hope where ever he is, he is enjoying himself.
[01:07] <bimberi> ompaul: aye to both of those :)
[01:14] <PlHL> Og darn; xgl didn't install succesful... i'll just keep on trying ;P
[01:16] <ompaul> PlHL, vist #ubuntu-xgl with that, they focus on it [pun may be intentional ;-))]
[01:19] <PlHL> Yea, I know of that chan. Kept it in mind if it would be neccessary to use some day. I'll initially just read on about it though
[01:40] <klepas> moinmoin
[02:11] <mvirkkil> moin
[03:57] <Phlosten> evening all
[03:57] <KenSentMe> Hello
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[03:58] <Phlosten> i guess #goubuntu got the chop?
[03:59] <Phlosten> was just reading the mailing list
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> effectively
[05:37] <nixternal> moins
[05:37] <matthewrevell> hey
[05:38] <klepas> moin
[05:53] <newz2000> hey pascal, you're up early
[05:53] <newz2000> klepas, or is that late?
[05:53] <klepas> stayed up till 4 AM yesterday =\
[05:53] <klepas> early, it's 1:53
[05:53] <klepas> :)
[05:54] <newz2000> Are you out on winter break?
[05:54] <klepas> yea.
[05:55] <klepas> i need to go back at noon today to pick up my final scores but other than that i essentially have ~2.5 weeks off
[05:55] <klepas> yourself? :)
[05:55] <newz2000> I just started a new job :-)
[05:56] <klepas> hey cool - where at? (:
[05:56] <newz2000> Ubuntu.com webmaster
[05:56] <newz2000> canonical
[05:56] <klepas> very, very cool :)
[05:56] <klepas> congrats
[05:56] <newz2000> I thought so
[05:56] <newz2000> thanks
[05:56] <klepas> make sure you fix the main page ;)
[05:56] <klepas> matthewrevell: hey there
[05:56] <newz2000> Yeah, its on the todo list.
[05:57] <klepas> did you see the comments that msikma made on it?
[05:57] <newz2000> when was that?
[05:57] <matthewrevell> klepas: hey
[05:58] <klepas> matthewrevell: not sure if you remember me, with the amount of mail you folks get through<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but i was the one that tried to tell you dudes where the artists can be found when you guys asked where the heck we all were...
[05:58] <klepas> you folks never actually got around to saying where there were... just dissed my name :P
[05:59] <klepas> newz2000: one moment
[06:00] <matthewrevell> klepas: I remember getting the email. Sorry, we do tend to get sidetracked when we get a serious email.
[06:01] <matthewrevell> Did we make some rubbish joke about Pascal programming?
[06:04] <matthewrevell> klepas: So, you're an artists?
[06:06] <matthewrevell> klepas: Just re-read your email. We definitely need designers/artists in the marketing team.
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, hes hardcore
[06:07] <klepas> i would be happy to help... [the artwork team is kinda disorganised ^^]
[06:07] <klepas> as for the joke, yea... i think it was something about the french and pascal, the language
[06:07] <klepas> :)
[06:08] <matthewrevell> Ach, we're predictable.
[06:08] <klepas> newz2000: damnit...
[06:08] <klepas> i can't find the stuff, and michael is not responding...
[06:08] <matthewrevell> I'd say the most momentum is behind SpreadUbuntu at the moment.
[06:08] <newz2000> klepas: don't worry, I'll check it out
[06:08] <klepas> he wrote something on the art team ml a while back
[06:08] <klepas> should be locate-able through a message header search
[06:09] <matthewrevell> I believe  newz2000 is gonna have a think about the webastery side of things :)
[06:09] <newz2000> yeah, I saw it come through, but I don't remember what it said
[06:10] <matthewrevell> klepas: I've gotta push off now, but if you haven't seen it, have a look at our ML - http://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-marketing
[06:10] <klepas> oh, good. he just outlined what was wrong and offered a few suggestions and some mockups on how it could be fixed - did a good job :-)
[06:11] <klepas> matthewrevell: no worries - i'm signed up to it... :)
[06:11] <matthewrevell> cool :)
[06:11] <klepas> just got to get around to reading it more often :)
[06:11] <klepas> so much to do...
[06:11] <matthewrevell> klepas: Yeah, juggling is an artform :)
[06:11] <matthewrevell> Right, gotta get home. Speak to you all later


[05:12] <mup> PR snapd#9279 closed: github: run tests also on push to release branches <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9279>
[05:16] <mborzecki> morning
[05:18] <mvo> hey mborzecki - good morning
[05:18] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[05:19] <mborzecki> heh, my son got fever today, and it's only been like 4 days of school, didn't take long for him to catch something
[05:25] <mvo> mborzecki: oh no!
[05:25] <mvo> mborzecki: good luck
[05:26] <mvo> mborzecki: let's hope it goes away again quickly
[05:59] <mborzecki> and i can reproduce the problem with govendor sync on TW: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mDHNQV7kTD/
[05:59] <mborzecki> still, makes very little sense
[06:22] <mborzecki> quick errand, need to drive my daughter to school
[06:52] <mborzecki> re
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning
[07:03] <mvo> pstolowski: good morning
[07:03] <mvo> mborzecki: hm, memory exaution or something?
[07:03] <mborzecki> pstolowski:  hey
[07:03] <mborzecki> mvo:  idk, running with strace now
[07:03] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/
[07:04] <mborzecki> mvo: even `if ! govendor sync -v; then echo failed; fi` fails and shuts down the connection
[07:05] <mborzecki> mvo: oh, and it does not fail when i add exit 1 before the line in prepare-restore, and then run govendor sync from the debug shell
[07:08] <mvo> mborzecki: you run it with or without quiet?
[07:08] <mvo> mborzecki: I wonder if that has anything to do with it :/
[07:08] <mborzecki> mvo: with or without has same effect
[07:09] <mvo> :(
[07:09] <mvo> woah
[07:23] <zyga> good morning
[07:24] <mvo> good morning zyga
[07:24] <zyga> how are you doing? it's very warm for autumn this year
[07:25] <zyga> I'm still looking after Lucy, just getting ready for our call
[07:28] <mvo> zyga we can postpone if you want
[07:33] <mborzecki> zyga: ehy
[07:33] <mborzecki> hey
[07:33] <mborzecki> ;P
[07:37] <zyga> mvo: that's fine, lets's have the call
[07:38]  * zyga needs to restart avahi after setting up some bridges last night
[07:38] <zyga> anyway
[07:42] <mvo> zyga sure thing
[07:43]  * mvo is happy that zyga build bridges instead of burning them
[07:43] <zyga> hahaha
[07:43] <zyga> I have a routable riscv64 VM now
[07:43] <zyga> something that was in the back of my head for a while
[07:50] <mborzecki> Sep 07 07:49:52 sep070746-567919 kernel: sshd[1445]: segfault at 278 ip 000055e17401a553 sp 00007ffc9aba67c0 error 4 in sshd[55e173fd8000+74000]
[07:50] <mborzecki> Sep 07 07:49:52 sep070746-567919 kernel: Code: 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 48 85 ff 0f 84 d7 00 00 00 41 54 55 48 89 fd 48 83 ec 08 48 8b 87 20 01 00 00 48 85 c0 0f 84 95 00 00 00 <8b> 40 18 a8 02 7
[07:50] <mborzecki> 5 46 a8 04 0f 85 8e 00 00 00 48 8b 7d 08 e8 05 f0
[07:50] <mborzecki> on tumbleweed when disconnecting spread
[07:50] <mborzecki> maybe that's why debug shell cannot be connected?
[07:50] <zyga> seg.vfault() :(
[07:51] <zyga> yeah, this could be a problem
[07:51] <zyga> maybe we need to reboot after upgrades?
[07:52] <mborzecki> zyga: looking at zypper log there's  no updates pulled in spread stats
[07:52] <zyga> hmm
[07:53] <zyga> maybe that's something exploiting an unknown bug in ssh?
[07:53] <mborzecki> oh wow, kernel bug? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bDGGb7BhWX/
[07:53] <zyga> those machines are under constant barrage of ssh connections
[07:53] <mborzecki> the network is down at this point
[07:53] <zyga> interesting
[07:53] <zyga> xfs
[07:53] <mborzecki> idk, maybe this snapshot is just bad :/
[07:54] <zyga> that's 5.8?
[07:55] <mborzecki> yes
[07:55] <mborzecki> there's a bunch of updates (kernel among those)
[07:56] <mborzecki> maybe we should ask cachio to update the images and we'll try again
[07:56] <zyga> yeah
[07:56] <zyga> good idea
[07:56] <zyga> I updated my TW install and didn't see any issues
[07:56] <zyga> and I released 2.46 there, waiting for .1 tarballs
[07:57] <zyga> mvo: do you remember if 2.46.1 tarball contains the libexec patch from Maciej?
[07:58] <mborzecki> zyga: it does not, the PR is still up https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9280 and we cannot merge it because the spread job on TW does not run
[07:58] <mup> PR #9280: packaging/opensuse: fix for /usr/libexec on TW, do not hardcode AppArmor profile path <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9280>
[07:58] <zyga> mborzecki: aha
[07:58] <zyga> ok, I'll cherry pick that as distro patch
[07:58] <zyga> it's interesting that openSUSE is the redhat-like distro but with apparmor
[07:59] <zyga> can we do libexec in ubuntu 14.04+ and remove all patches now ;-) ?
[07:59] <zyga> (no, we cannot because debian stable)
[07:59] <mup> PR core#118 opened: hooks: update motd handling and remove 50-motd-news <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/118>
[08:24]  * pstolowski errand
[08:43] <zyga-kaveri> re
[08:43] <zyga-kaveri> in the office
[08:44] <mup> PR core#38 closed: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[08:44] <mup> PR core#110 closed: Disable dynamic motd <Created by vorlonofportland> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/110>
[08:44] <mup> PR core#111 closed: live-build/hooks/motd: disable dynamic motd, disable motd services <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/111>
[09:11]  * zyga-kaveri goes upstairs for a pullover
[09:11] <zyga-kaveri> mvo: when convenient please provide 2.46.1 tarballs
[09:11] <mvo> zyga-kaveri: will do, sorry!
[09:27] <zyga-kaveri> mvo: no problem
[09:38] <mvo> zyga-kaveri: it's up now
[09:38] <zyga-kaveri> mvo: thanks
[09:43] <mup> PR snapd#9289 opened: github: run tests also on push to release branches <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9289>
[09:48] <mup> PR snapd#9290 opened: release: 2.46.1 <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9290>
[10:00] <pstolowski> re
[10:18] <mup> PR snapd#9289 closed: github: run tests also on push to release branches <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9289>
[10:38] <mup> PR snapd#9210 closed: daemon: add /v2/systems "reboot" action API <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9210>
[11:03]  * zyga-kaveri breaks for coffee and then goes to write manager hooks
[11:12] <mvo> I updated 9021, hopefully a relatively simple review. for snap reboot
[11:24] <mborzecki> hmm `snapd   2.46.1-1-dirty` mkversion getting confused by something there?
[11:35] <pedronis> mvo: I answered your question there, but didn't do a review yet
[11:40] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[12:03] <mborzecki> re
[12:07] <mborzecki> cachio: hi, can you take a look whether we can update opensuse tumbleweed images maybe?
[12:07] <cachio> mborzecki, hi, yes
[12:08] <mborzecki> cachio: looks like the current image is broken, and that's what is causing issues with govendor sync
[12:08]  * zyga-kaveri writes more tests
[12:08] <mborzecki> cachio: i was able to observe a kernel panic when govendor sync runs, breaking the host
[12:08] <pedronis> pstolowski: is #9270 ready for reviews ?
[12:08] <mup> PR #9270: [RFC] wrappers, systemd: allow empty root dir and conditionally do not pass --root to systemctl <Run nested> <Services ⚙> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9270>
[12:10] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes but i'd wait for spread tests, so far i saw many failures which seemed unrelated
[12:10] <pstolowski> but maybe not, hard too tell, too much noise there
[12:11] <pstolowski> i'm keeping an eye on that one
[12:12] <pstolowski> pedronis: if you could advise on error code for #9259 that would be great
[12:12] <mup> PR #9259: client, api: handle insufficient space error <Disk space awareness> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9259>
[12:12] <pedronis> I plan to review that soon
[12:33] <mup> PR snapd#9285 closed: many: seed.Model panics now if called before LoadAssertions <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9285>
[12:38] <mborzecki> pedronis: hm building on sid with nosecboot must have been failing for a while now
[12:39] <pedronis> mborzecki: it passes in other PRs
[12:40] <mborzecki> pedronis: maybe go is smart to figure out what it needs during the build, anyways, had to fix debian packaging to not remove secboot/encrypt.go (added earlier i believe) and gadget/install/params.go (added in claudio's PR)
[12:40] <mborzecki> and yeah, the fun code copying over stuff to _build
[12:41] <pedronis> mborzecki: something is wrong
[12:43] <pedronis> mborzecki: why params and encrypt?
[12:44] <mborzecki> pedronis: install_dummy references Options (defined in params.go), and SystemInstallObserver.ChosenEncryptionKey() takes secboot.EncryptionKey (defined in secboot/encrypt.go)
[12:44] <pedronis> yes, but secboot/encrypt.go doesn't refer to anything interesting
[12:44] <pedronis> what am I missing
[12:45] <pedronis> I don't think you can build devicestate without params
[12:45] <mborzecki> pedronis: hm maybe i wasn't clear, afaict secboot/encrypt.go is needed to get secboot.EncryptionKey, used by gadget/install/params.go
[12:46] <pedronis> ah, not remove
[12:46] <mborzecki> pedronis: and the code that sets up _build would remove everything from gadget/install and secboot but a few select files
[12:46] <pedronis> sorry, I misread your comment
[12:46] <mborzecki> pedronis: cool, all is clear now ;)
[12:49] <mborzecki> cachio: let me know when you have a new opensuse tumbleweed image to try, wonder if that kernel bug is no longer happening
[12:49] <cachio> mborzecki,  it is in the queue
[12:50] <cachio> to be updated, i think in 20 minutes should be ready
[12:53] <mvo> pedronis: thankyou!
[12:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#3279 opened: Set VDPAU_DRIVER_PATH appropriately <Created by flexiondotorg> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3279>
[13:32] <mborzecki> cachio: can you take a look at the console of spread node `sep071325-531734`?
[13:33] <cachio> mborzecki, sure
[13:34] <cachio> mborzecki, can't see that instances
[13:34] <mborzecki> cachio: hmm ok, i died when i tried to run the tests
[13:35] <mborzecki> cachio: let me start another one
[13:35] <mborzecki> cachio: can you observe the console of this one `sep071335-735209` ?
[13:38] <mborzecki> **** fought a bit with Sid packaging in Claudio's PR https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9265
[13:38] <mup> PR #9265: many: move seal code from gadget/install to boot <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9265>
[13:38] <mborzecki>      - we have some special code that sets up a separate source tree under _build
[13:38] <cachio> mborzecki, kernel BUG at mm/filemap.c:1315!
[13:38] <mborzecki>      - it would remove all unnecessary files, but a few selected ones
[13:38] <mborzecki>      - with the changes from the PR, files that were removed are actually needed
[13:38] <mborzecki>        to build with nosecboot tag
[13:38] <mborzecki> another bug? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/273tJhBxVd/
[13:38] <pedronis> pstolowski: I reviewed #9259
[13:38] <mup> PR #9259: client, api: handle insufficient space error <Disk space awareness> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9259>
[13:38] <mborzecki> cachio: yeah, and now it's dead isn't it?
[13:39] <mborzecki> duh, secondary clipboard
[13:40] <cachio> mborzecki, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GXsBpHsmD7/
[13:40] <cachio> still running
[13:43] <mborzecki> cachio: hmm BUG: workqueue lockup - pool cpus=0 node=0 flags=0x0 nice=0 stuck for 60s!
[13:43] <mborzecki> zyga-kaveri: ^^
[13:44] <mborzecki> cachio: tumbleweed is not an official image, we build it ourselves right?
[13:45] <cachio> mborzecki, yes
[13:45] <cachio> no official cloud image
[13:45] <cachio> mborzecki, this is hte script we use for that https://github.com/snapcore/spread-images/blob/master/tasks/google/add-opensuse-tumbleweed-64/task.yaml
[13:54] <mup> PR snapd#9290 closed: release: 2.46.1 <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9290>
[14:02] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty
[14:33] <mborzecki> mvo: i can try a reproduce the problem ian had on rpi4, got 1.2rev here
[14:35] <mvo> mborzecki: cool, if it's not too much hassle, that would be great
[14:44] <mup> PR snapd#9291 opened: client: implement RebootToSystem <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9291>
[15:04]  * cachio lunch
[16:16] <mvo> did anyone look into the 503 we get from the store for the main/searching test ? has anyone more info on that? or contacted the store team?
[16:21] <cachio> mvo, I'll do it
[16:22] <mvo> thanks cachio
[16:27] <pstolowski> i'm seeing a lot of that too
[16:29] <cachio> pstolowski, can you reproduce the isuse doing -> snap find --section=photo-and-video vlc ?
[16:30] <pstolowski> cachio: no
[16:30] <cachio> pstolowski, tx
[16:31] <mvo> me neither
[16:46] <pstolowski> however, mistyping section name gives 403, was it always like that?
[18:33] <zyga> back from PT
[18:34] <zyga> issues with pi?
[18:35] <zyga> ijohnson, cachio: anything new?
[19:07] <cachio> zyga, sorry, issues?
[19:07] <cachio> beta validation was ok for rpi
[19:08] <cachio> didn't see anything weird
[19:08] <zyga> ok
[19:10]  * zyga finishes supper and will look at writing one more function