[00:03] <whoDat_> so..the latest mythbuntu is using mythtv .22 even though .22 isn't a release yet?
[00:05] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, yes. The release for .22 should be shortly
[00:05] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[00:05] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, the decision was made long ago to adopt .22 for this release rather than wait until 10.04 for .22
[00:07] <mattwj2002> man you guys are quick!
[00:07] <whoDat_> foxbuntu: okay just wondered
[00:07] <mattwj2002> how did you modify ubuntu 9.10 so quickly?
[00:07] <whoDat_> hmm I use vlc all the time.. so I shouldnt upgrade to 9.10?
[00:07] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, what do you mean?
[00:08] <whoDat_> I mean I don't use it within mythtv, i just run it from the xwindows menu. is the faq referring to using it in mythtv somehow?
[00:08] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, if its already installed it will upgrade just fine, we dropped it as the default
[00:08] <mattwj2002> don't you need to wait until ubuntu 9.10 is out before you can modify it to release it
[00:08] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, no, we have our own development cycle alongside the ubuntu development cycle
[00:09] <whoDat_> foxbuntu: what do you mean? i cant install vlc from the package manager in 9.10?
[00:09] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, you can. I mean we just dont install it by default anymore in 9.10
[00:10] <mattwj2002> oh doh
[00:10] <mattwj2002> I should have known that
[00:10] <whoDat_> i download movie .iso's and just play them by mounting through a loopback device
[00:10]  * mattwj2002 is embarassed
[00:10] <whoDat_> and play them with vlc
[00:10] <whoDat_> i will still be able to do that?
[00:10] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, mythvideo will do that
[00:10] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, and yes.
[00:10] <whoDat_> then the faq confuses me, lol
[00:10] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, you are in no way restricted from using VLC
[00:11] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, no problems
[00:17] <noisymime> Hi Guys... Just wanted to say great job on getting 9.10 out the door. You work is appreciated
[00:17] <foxbuntu> noisymime, thanks, its always good to hear good things form the users.
[00:20] <mattwj2002> I am using bittorrent on 9.10 right now
[00:20] <mattwj2002> but 9.10 rc was great
[00:20] <mattwj2002> :D
[00:20] <mattwj2002> same goes for me
[00:20] <mattwj2002> great work!
[00:21] <whoDat_> foxbuntu: i saw on the wiki that .22 only has like 6 tickets open.. so guess it was close enough to use. lol ;)
[00:21] <noisymime> Quick question (as its the only hick-up I ran into), I'm guessing package linux-firmware-nonfree can't be included by default due to it being in multiverse?
[00:21] <foxbuntu> noisymime, you got it
[00:22] <noisymime> bummer. ahh well, can't be helped I guess
[00:42] <whoDat_> what the heck
[00:42] <whoDat_> "canonical ltd no longer supprots these packages..blah blah blah"
[00:43] <whoDat_> i have to enable community maintained software?
[00:47] <Guest24120> Does anyone know if karmic mythtv has VDPAU?
[00:47] <Guest24120> support that is...
[00:48] <Guest24120> I'm trying to install to a nvidia-ion
[00:50] <Pwen> mythtv 0.22 supports vdpau
[00:50] <Pwen> I am using it right now :)
[00:50] <Guest24120> nice
[00:50] <Guest24120> painless to setup? just create a profile?
[00:51] <Pwen> profiles already created
[00:51] <Pwen> just enable them
[00:51] <Guest24120> I'm really hoping I can get this Acer Aspire Revo going with VDPAU and audio over HDMI
[00:51] <Guest24120> I think I would cry with joy
[00:51] <Pwen> I have audio over HDMI; Im using the S/PDIF output of the motherboard into an nVidia 9400GT graphics card with HDMI out
[00:51] <Pwen> works fine
[00:52] <Guest24120> that sounds great... on this system it's an NVIDIA 9400
[00:52] <Guest24120> with HDMI out
[00:53] <Guest24120> only other audio out is mini
[00:53] <Guest24120> do you know if your HDMI is > stereo?
[00:53] <Guest24120> like 5.1?
[00:53] <Pwen> HDMI AFAIK carries whatever audio is output to it
[00:54] <Pwen> and SPDIF is digital - so if the output from the computer to SPDIF is dolby 5.1 or something, it should go over the hdmi cable as 5.1 as well
[00:54] <Guest24120> yeah HDMI does from the standard, but I've not heard conclusively that there's great support
[00:54] <Guest24120> well, this is all looking great
[00:54] <rhpot1991> Guest24120: yep, ion should be fully supported
[00:54] <Guest24120> that would be so sweet
[00:54] <Guest24120> $200
[00:55] <Guest24120> for a 1080p frontend that's the size of a router
[00:55] <rhpot1991> I'm not positive if we got the vdpau playback profiles in at this point or not, if not you just have to make one for yourself
[00:55] <Guest24120> with low power consumption
[00:55] <Guest24120> yeah, that shouldn't be a problem
[00:55] <Guest24120> geez... I'm trying to install to a USB stick to see if I can boot from it and it's painfully slow
[00:56] <Pwen> flash media is painfully inconsistent ^_^
[00:56] <rhpot1991> well flash doesn't use any hardware offloading
[00:56] <rhpot1991> so its pure cpu rendering
[00:56] <bubba> it's brutal
[00:56] <bubba> <--- just changed user name
[00:56] <Guest62357> ack!
[00:57] <Guest62357> it just switched me back
[00:57] <rhpot1991> I've yet to attempt it on my ion to be honest
[00:57] <Pwen> can you guys link me to a script or something that renames episodes intelligently so myth can pull metadata for them?
[00:57] <rhpot1991> Pwen: there should be a myth.rename.something in the contrib folder
[00:57] <Guest62357> rhpot1991, you haven't tried USB boot on your ion?
[00:57] <rhpot1991>  /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/mythrename.pl
[00:57] <rhpot1991> Guest62357: yep it works, a bit slow but once the OS gets up its just fine
[00:58] <rhpot1991> I'm running of a 4gb usb stick for now
[00:58] <rhpot1991> I've filled it up a few times though, so keep an eye on df -h
[00:58] <rhpot1991> Pwen: thats location above is for you
[00:59] <Guest62357> this is a 2GB stick and it's more of a POC than anything right now
[00:59] <Guest62357> if I find I'm filling up I'll just get a bigger one
[00:59] <rhpot1991> 2gb is gonna be tight I bet
[00:59] <Guest62357> really?
[00:59] <Guest62357> the installer didn't stop me
[00:59] <Guest62357> so I figured that I was OK
[00:59] <rhpot1991> john@ravage:~$ df -h
[00:59] <rhpot1991> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:59] <rhpot1991> /dev/sda1             3.5G  2.3G  1.1G  69% /
[01:00] <Guest62357> yikes
[01:00] <Guest62357> but how much have you put on it?
[01:00] <Pwen> thanks guys
[01:00] <rhpot1991> thats a stock install, with only mythtv things added onto it
[01:00] <rhpot1991> so themes and such
[01:00] <Guest62357> oh also, are you ubuntu?
[01:00] <Guest62357> I'm using mythbuntu
[01:00] <rhpot1991> mythbuntu
[01:00] <Guest62357> err
[01:00] <Guest62357> was hoping you were ubuntu (i.e. big gnome)
[01:01] <rhpot1991> see how far you can get with it, but I'd venture you will fill it up when you try to upgrade anything
[01:01] <Guest62357> hopefully I won't need to upgrade anything for this test
[01:01] <Guest62357> I just want to prove that I can get 1080p (w/ VDPAU) and audio over HDMI
[01:02] <Guest62357> then I'm either going to break things or celebrate
[01:02] <Guest62357> and over the weekend I can do a real install (hopefully)
[01:02] <Guest62357> why don't you remote boot?
[01:03] <rhpot1991> powerline ethernet, I try to keep any traffic to that box at a minimum
[01:03] <Guest62357> ah..
[01:03] <rhpot1991> plus I had the usb stick just laying around
[01:04] <Guest62357> I couldn't find good instructions
[01:04] <Guest62357> for remote boot
[01:04] <rhpot1991> I do plan on upgrading it to a 8gb though
[01:04] <rhpot1991> Guest62357: check the forums should be some pretty good writeups in there
[01:04] <Guest62357> I could dig into it, but I had bigger problems at the time
[01:04] <rhpot1991> I believe there is no MCC plugin for it though, so you will be executing commands by hand in order to set it all up
[01:04] <rhpot1991> !forums
[01:04] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[01:05] <Guest62357> yeah, you're exactly right rhpot no plugin
[01:05] <Guest62357> it was relying on another project that I can't remember the name of
[01:05] <Guest62357> it's used to deploy diskless systems...
[01:05] <Guest62357> and that project might have some documentation
[01:06] <Guest50941> rhpot, can you tell me if there are some video types that the ion will have a hard time playing?
[01:19] <hipitihop> I'm also running one of the ION setups, the POV ION 330 .. but I'm a little concerned about cooling. Is there a way I can remotely monitor temperatures ?
[01:22] <bubba_> I don't have an answer to your question, but I'm currious... why are you concerned?
[01:24] <bubba_> usb install died at 16% (1.5 hours into the install)
[01:25] <bubba_> post-installation script failed
[01:25] <mrand> hipithop: I haven't done it, but google turned this up real quick:  http://www.techthrob.com/2009/03/02/enabling-hardware-sensors-in-linux/
[01:26] <mrand> bubba_ usb installs have been problematic for me on one of my computers - had to burn a CD.  But before doing that, did you verify the usb contents with the check function on the first menu?
[01:27] <bubba_> mrand, I actually tried doing using "USB startup disk creator" first
[01:27] <bubba_> but it just installed the .iso to the stick and when I booted it was just the Live image
[01:28] <bubba_> so I know the disk is formattable and bootable
[01:28] <hipitihop> mrand: thanks
[01:28] <bubba_> I'm not sure which check function you're referring to
[01:28] <mrand> hipitihop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[01:29] <mrand> bubba_ on the menu where you choose between booting into live environment and booting directly to an install, there is also a checksum function that you should try running.
[01:29] <bubba_> install is counting past 100%... I'm at 104% now, but it's still displaying install operations
[01:29] <bubba_> so I think it's still going
[01:29] <bubba_> oh sure to check the .iso
[01:29] <mrand> 104 is better than 100, right? :-)
[01:29] <mrand> right
[01:29] <bubba_> yeah, I hope so :)
[01:30] <bubba_> you know, I rarely check the image
[01:30] <bubba_> I've not often seen that problem
[01:30] <bubba_> but you're right, it could be the culprit
[01:30] <ToeBee> heh I had a DOS scandisk go past 100% once. I don't think that story ended well for the hard drive
[01:31] <bubba_> yikes!
[01:31] <bubba_> I really just want to test out this ion
[01:31] <bubba_> I don't really want to be messing with USB Boot
[01:31] <bubba_> but I also don't want to wipre the pre-installed OS if this system fails me and I have to return it
[01:36] <bubba_> hmm... it just removed samba
[01:36] <bubba_> but it is running a bunch of post-install scripts
[01:37] <bubba_> restart
[01:38] <bubba_> blinking cursor on USB boot
[01:39] <bubba_> OK, time for mythbuntu to stomp on XP
[01:48] <rhpot1991> bubba_: weird you are having those issues installing, installing was fine for me, but booting from the installed usb stick is a little slow
[01:48] <bubba_> I'm currently installing over the pre-installed OS now
[01:48] <rhpot1991> hipitihop: lmsensors can do that for you
[01:49] <bubba_> I'm more interested in VDPAU and audio over HDMI right now
[01:49] <rhpot1991> heh looks like mrand already pointed you at that though
[01:49] <bubba_> what, that it should work?
[01:49] <rhpot1991> bubba_: both work out of the box in karmic
[01:49] <bubba_> OK, I want to see it for myself
[01:49] <rhpot1991> bubba_: no that was pointed at hipitihop
[01:49] <rhpot1991> for hdmi audio, just run alsamixer
[01:50] <rhpot1991> enable all the iec985 outputs
[01:50] <rhpot1991> and set mythtv to use alsa:hdmi for output and passthrough
[01:50] <rhpot1991> and it should work
[01:50] <bubba_> awesome... thank you
[01:51] <rhpot1991> for VDPAU, just install the nvidia drivers, and use the VDPAU playback profile (if it exists, if not you will need to make one)
[01:51] <rhpot1991> I tweaked my xorg.conf a bit for vdpau too
[01:51] <bubba_> do you disable pulse?
[01:52] <Pwen> I set myth to use default sound and hdmi worked
[01:52] <Pwen> rhpot1991: what other tweaks did you make to xorg?
[01:52] <rhpot1991> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7bc67709
[01:52] <rhpot1991> Pwen: ^
[01:52] <bubba_> how so did you tweak xorg? I was going to try the config utility and then try this xorg from a blog
[01:53] <rhpot1991> disabled composite, and enabled tripplebuffer
[01:53] <rhpot1991> just open /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor, and save it
[01:53] <rhpot1991> backup first, just in case
[01:53] <bubba_> Option  "TripleBuffer" "True"
[01:53] <bubba_> and disable composite
[01:53] <rhpot1991> #
[01:53] <rhpot1991> Section "Extensions"
[01:53] <rhpot1991> #
[01:53] <rhpot1991>         Option         "Composite" "Disable"
[01:53] <rhpot1991> #
[01:53] <rhpot1991> EndSection
[01:53] <rhpot1991> woops, spammy sorry
[01:53] <Pwen> what does that actually do? mine is performing fine as it is
[01:54] <rhpot1991> Pwen: don't worry about it then :)
[01:54] <Pwen> ^_^
[01:54] <rhpot1991> I was having some tearing issue
[01:54] <bubba_> I think that cut-n-paste is only bothersome in high traffic rooms
[01:54] <bubba_> but that's my opinion
[01:54] <rhpot1991> anything more than 3 lines you should pastebin
[01:54] <rhpot1991> general rule to follow
[01:54] <hads> Naughty rhpot1991 :)
[01:55] <bubba_> but why in a room where there are only a few people chatting?
[01:55] <bubba_> just becuase there's a chance someone's comment will get clobbered?
[01:55] <rhpot1991> bubba_: its a curtsy thing
[01:55] <bubba_> which is probably reason enough
[01:55] <rhpot1991> sometimes clients will auto kick you and stuff for that too
[01:55] <bubba_> HDD install on this atom is pretty brutal too
[01:56] <rhpot1991> bubba_: are you installing from usb, cd?
[01:56] <bubba_> CD
[01:56] <rhpot1991> maybe you have a bad burn or something
[01:56] <bubba_> 62%
[01:56] <rhpot1991> did you error check it?
[01:56] <bubba_> it's moving, but it's slow
[01:56] <bubba_> nah, skipped error check again...
[01:56] <bubba_> if this fails I'll definitely error check
[01:56] <rhpot1991> if it gives you problems do that, and check the md5sum on your iso
[01:57] <bubba_> in fact, I'll D/L again now just in case
[01:57] <rhpot1991> off to watch some TV, if you have questions yell and I'll check back later if someone didn't hop in by then
[01:57] <bubba_> thanks for the help!!!
[01:57] <rhpot1991> no problem, good luck
[02:00] <hipitihop> rhpot1991: yes thanks, looking into lmsensors now
[02:12] <bubba_> anyone have a good remote control recommendation? I have a Snapstream Firefly and a SS FF mini
[02:12] <bubba_> I accidentally smashed the FF mini receiver though so I need a new remote
[02:15] <mrand> Can't get another off ebay or something?
[02:16] <mrand> There are lots of good remotes in the world.  Just depends on what features you want and what you are willing to pay!
[02:16] <bubba_> I can get another one... the SS stuff hasn't been 100% successful for me
[02:17] <bubba_> the FF (non-mini) needs some config file changes for support
[02:17] <bubba_> and the mini has some issues too
[02:19] <mrand> What kind of changes?  you should try to get any changes integrated into lirc.
[02:20] <mrand> I thought I remember reading that they were a pretty inexpensive RF remote.  Most RF remotes are not cheap, so if you're really happy with it, I'd probably stick with it.
[02:20] <bubba_> the FF (non-mini) is radio
[02:20] <bubba_> err RF
[02:20] <bubba_> which is really nice because you don't need to direct it to a receiver
[02:21] <mrand> Yeah, I have an RF remote that I need to reenable.  They are nice.
[02:21] <hipitihop> mrand: & rhpot1991: followed that link and even rebooted, sensors claims no sensors found and during the install I got #----cut here----
[02:21] <hipitihop> # Chip drivers
[02:21] <hipitihop> # no driver for Fintek F71858DG Super IO Sensors yet
[02:21] <hipitihop> #----cut here----
[02:21] <mrand> bummer
[02:22] <mrand> You on 9.10?
[02:22] <hipitihop> yes, the beta with all updates
[02:22] <mrand> Strange: http://www.lm-sensors.org/changeset/5109
[02:23] <hipitihop> well mythtv-themes have been kept back for last few days but all else seems fine
[02:24] <mrand> More odd: http://www.lm-sensors.org/ticket/2297
[02:25] <hipitihop> indeed.. out of my depth now
[02:25] <mrand> I don't quite get it.  That changeset was from early 2008 and the bug was filed later than that.... and is still open.
[02:25] <mrand> *puzzle*
[02:27] <hads> lmsensor seems a bit slow
[02:27] <mrand> Oh.  Looks like Ubuntu hasn't updated lm-sensors in forever: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=lm-sensors
[02:27] <mrand> in what way, hads?
[02:28] <hads> I should say, lm-sensors in Ubuntu is slow at picking up support for new stuff
[02:28] <bubba_> playback hangs when I try to play from the backend
[02:28] <hipitihop> 1:3.0.2-2ubuntu4
[02:29] <bubba_> "please wait..."
[02:31] <mrand> hipithop: yes.... see the ppa mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/336418
[02:34] <mrand> hipitihop: this might apply: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/FAQ/Chapter3#Mysensorshavestoppedworkinginkernel2.6.31
[02:36] <mrand> bubba_ : it might be worth letting it sit there for quite some time to see if it ends up coming back: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/381744?search_string=please%20wait;#381744
[02:36] <hipitihop> mrand: this ppa ? https://launchpad.net/~eudoxos/+archive/ppa
[02:38] <bubba_> I'm going to mount a remote nfs share and try to play some video
[02:39] <mrand> hipitihop: lmsensors-3 from  https://launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=
[02:39] <toorima> anyone know how to get mplayer to play black and white? can't find much about in the man pages about it
[02:41] <hipitihop> mrand: thanks, shold I remove previous install first you think ?
[02:42] <mrand> hipitihop: I probably would.  I'd hope it wouldn't matter and that he'd remove the old one.
[02:44] <mrand> toorima: it is mentioned on this man page: http://linuxreviews.org/man/mplayer/
[02:46] <hads> -vo zr only
[02:48] <toorima> hmm I'll try that
[02:48] <toorima> thx
[02:49] <mrand> -zrbw (-vo zr only)   Display in black and white. For optimal performance, this can be combined with '-lavdopts gray'.
[02:53] <toorima> I get no video when I try that
[02:54] <hads> That's because it's -vo zr only.
[02:54] <rhpot1991> bubba_: this one is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Control-Receiver-Windows-A9O-00007/dp/B00066FIO6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256871227&sr=8-1
[02:54] <rhpot1991> just don't pay too much, check the used and new there, 30-40 is ok, I wouldn't pay more than that
[02:54] <toorima> hmm any other way of doing it? lover colors or something?
[02:55] <bubba_> I like that one, it's rounded like the firefly
[02:55]  * rhpot1991 goes back to TV
[02:55] <bubba_> comfortable to the hand
[02:56] <hipitihop> mrand: lm-sensors away !! .. many thanks... now back to original artical to see how to remotely watch :-)
[02:57] <bubba_> hmm... not having much luck with this system so far
[02:57] <bubba_> codec install through MCC hung
[02:57] <bubba_> so I can't get videos in mythvideo to play
[02:57] <bubba_> and recordings from the backend have previews (static)
[02:57] <bubba_> but they hang on "Please wait..." when I try to play any
[02:58] <bubba_> using your xorg.conf rhport1991
[03:12] <toorima> thx guys, just adding -lavdopts gray gives black & white output, thx again :)
[03:56] <bubba_> sigh...
[03:57] <bubba_> just hangs at "please wait..." and I can't seem to get any video files in mythvideo to play either
[03:58] <Casper0082> bubba_: are these videos on a nfs or samba share?
[03:58] <bubba_> nfs
[03:59] <Casper0082> bubba_: double check that it's actually mounted and you can get to the videos via terminal
[04:00] <Casper0082> I remember having my videos just sit there and it was because I bounced my storage server and forgot to remount
[04:01] <bubba_> they're mounted and I can see them from the command line
[04:02] <Casper0082> ok, are these ripped movies (Video_TS folder) or ISOs?
[04:04] <bubba_> I've got them all
[04:04] <bubba_> .avi, .wmv, .iso somewhere
[04:04] <Casper0082> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide#Storage_Groups
[04:05] <bubba_> vlc plays videos
[04:05] <bubba_> it's choking on a 720p video though
[04:05] <Casper0082> You using storage groups?
[04:05] <bubba_> no
[04:05] <bubba_> not that I'm aware of
[04:05] <Casper0082> I'd read that and double check
[04:05] <Casper0082> since those are known issues
[04:06] <bubba_> so this is a storage server that I've been using with myth for a few years
[04:06] <bubba_> everything was working well until I broke my frontend
[04:06] <bubba_> the mobo just died on me
[04:06] <bubba_> so I'm installing to a new system
[04:06] <bubba_> I'm fairly confident in the server setup
[04:06] <bubba_> and the frontend is a fresh install
[04:07] <bubba_> I'm not getting any audio out of HDMI either
[04:15] <bubba_> was randomly trying video files
[04:15] <bubba_> and one started the player..
[04:15] <bubba_> but it's just sitting on "Please Wait..." too
[04:34] <mattwj2002> hi all
[04:39] <namg989> is the website down
[04:41] <mrand> appears to be.
[04:41] <mrand> thanks
[04:52] <BitS> I don't suppose anyone has a download link for the 9.10 release?
[04:52] <BitS> since it appears that the website is hosed
[04:53] <mrand> sure...
[04:53] <BitS> care to share? :)
[04:54] <mrand> working on it.....   seems like the outage is more widespread than I thought
[04:54] <BitS> oh
[04:54] <BitS> well, is there any overwhelming reason why upgrading from the RC wouldn't result in the same thing?
[04:55] <BitS> I have an RC iso I can work with
[04:55] <mrand> upgrading from RC should get you the exact same thing.  Upgrading may be a bit slow for the next few days due to the release.
[04:55] <BitS> I'll just do that then
[04:56] <BitS> slow is better than nothing :)
[04:56] <BitS> oh, one last thing, are there any known issues with a 64 bit backend and a 32 bit front end?
[04:57] <mrand> Yeah - I'm sure the ubuntu side would appreciate less bandwidth usage.
[04:57] <mrand> No, should be no compatibility problems between 64 and 32 bit builds.
[04:57] <BitS> yea, I can wait on the updates anyway, I'm guessing mythtv itself isn't majorly different
[04:58] <mrand> If it is any different, it isn't much at all.
[04:58] <mrand> mythtv upstream is kinda frozen at the moment.
[04:58] <mrand> They are in RC mode, and fighting unrelated server problems as well.
[04:58] <BitS> oh yea? Trying to get a .22 released?
[04:58] <BitS> ah
[05:00] <BitS> This will be my third stab at an install, my QAM card is giving my crappy output, which I'm blaming on poor signal quality, but getting the cable company off their butts without a digital box in the house is like pushing an elephant
[05:00] <mrand> Once they get RC2 out, and then final out, they'll start back porting more to the 0.22-fixes branch, which you'll be able to pick up with the auto-builds repo.
[05:00] <mrand> I can imagine!
[05:00] <BitS> mythtv tells me I've got 0% signal (which I just assumed is bad data from the card as it never changes) and a 2.5db S/N
[05:01] <mrand> happen to have a digital tv with a tuner, or know a friend with a small set?
[05:01] <BitS> unfortunately since I just switched from WMC all analog to MythTV with a QAM and a Analog card I'm in uncharted territory
[05:01] <BitS> for myself anyway
[05:01] <BitS> not anywhere near enough to be useful
[05:02] <mrand> google is your friend ;-)
[05:02] <BitS> I've got a friend that works for the cable company on the cable modem side, but the cable modem signal is good enough
[05:02] <BitS> not enough that he can justify sending someone out
[05:02] <mrand> bummer!
[05:03] <BitS> we had the cable company digital box about a year and a half ago, it had the same artifacting and sound issues, so its a safe bet
[05:03] <BitS> probably going to have to go back to it long enough to get them to fix it
[05:03] <BitS> then take it bakc
[05:03] <BitS> anyway, enough rambling thanks for your hel
[05:03] <BitS> p
[05:04] <namg989> my wmce system died yesterday. moving to mythbuntu. what tuner card should be at the top of my list?
[05:04] <mrand> BitS: sure thing.  good luck.
[05:04] <mrand> namg989: digital capture?
[05:05] <namg989> would like to do both. willing to do two cards or a combo
[05:06] <mrand> I'm not up on combo cards.  I'm guessing most any analog card that is listed on wiki.mythtv.org as working would be fine for SD.   For digital capture, people absolutely rave about the HDHomerun.  It just works - and has two tuners.
[05:07] <mrand> For HD capture, there is only one solution: HD-PVR
[05:09] <mrand> There are plenty of other (less expensive) solutions for digital capture besides the HDHomerun... but I don't have first hand experience, so I hesitate slightly.  Searching mythtv archives or wiki should turn up plenty of alternatives.
[05:09] <mrand> Bed time... ahve fun!
[05:09]  * mrand sleeps
[05:10] <namg989> any problems with building a system with analog card in pci slot, and HD in pci-e
[07:57] <rhp> Hi all, I was about to as whether the release of mythbuntu would wait for the release of mythtv 0.22, but I see in the topic that it is already out. Maybe that explains why the website seems down.
[07:57] <rhp> I suppose that when mythtv 0.22 is released, the mythbuntu packages are updated?
[07:58] <rhp> What I'm trying to ask: is it sensible to install mythbuntu already? Or is it better to wait a bit?
[08:07] <hads> rhp: Install away
[08:08] <hipitihop> rhp I have been running it for some weeks now... originally a 9.04 mythbuntu upgraded to the karmic beta along with .22 YMMV but sofar ther eis no lookking back for me
[08:10] <hipitihop> I'm still getting mythfilldatabse reporting "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2009-10-30 18:04 and ended on 2009-10-30 18:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure."  How do I debug the issue or otherwise turn off the grabber ?
[08:10] <hipitihop> reporte by mythweb status
[08:23] <rhp> hads: 9.10 will get the final release of 0.22 once released?
[13:14] <bsusa> hello
[13:15] <bsusa> does someone know how to change the default tv tuner settings globally?
[14:38] <bubba_> anyone know how to change the cpu frequency scaling in mythbuntu?
[14:44] <bubba_> looks like there's a xfce4 plugin
[15:29] <quinten_> hi! quick question
[15:30] <quinten_> does the 9.10 release include the latest alsa drivers? i've been having to download the drivers for each new kernel update to get hdmi audio support in the past
[15:30] <quinten_> i guess anything about 0.18
[15:38] <mrand> 9.10 uses ALSA version 1.0.20 but it's a customized version with a lot of backports from 1.0.21
[15:39] <mrand> http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/2009/10/29/upgrade-alsa-1-0-21-on-ubuntu-karmic-koala-9-10/
[18:31] <curif> Hi! somebody can help me with a time/date problem?
[18:32] <curif> The time and/or time zone settings on this system do not match those in use on the master backend.
[18:32] <curif> But frontend and backend are in the same machine...
[18:40] <curif> I change the tzdata, and later execute the frontend in a session with a tz environment variable
[18:41] <curif> adjusted to the tzdata, and the forntend runs ok, but the date in the screen is wrong,
[19:25] <curif> !help
[19:41] <fpr02> Hi, is there a mailing list post somewhere talking about the decision to have mythtv-themes conflict with certain themes?
[19:42] <fpr02> the retro theme's always worked fine for me under both 0.21 and 0.22 so i was suprised to see it vanish
[19:45] <superm1> well some themes work better than others in that scenario
[19:45] <superm1> upstream preferred that people need to go out of their way to add in 0.21 themes if they want them
[19:46] <superm1> both as a jab at the theme author to go fix  them (or someone in the community), as well as to get them away from supporting things that have a tendency to  break
[19:46] <superm1> you can
[19:46] <superm1> remove the mythtv-themes meta and just install one of them still
[19:46] <superm1> this was all discussed in IRC
[19:50] <fpr02> thanks, i see if i can find it in the logs
[19:50] <fpr02> *i'll
[20:54] <superm1> fpr02, it was in an unlogged channel
[20:54] <superm1> well unlogged publicly
[20:54] <superm1> #ubuntu-mythtv-dev is where we talked about it
[21:10] <dedi> after installing mythbuntu 9.10 from netboot, mysql isnt properly setup, either database or user for myth exists.
[21:10] <fpr02> ah
[21:11] <fpr02> what exactly is wrong with it? can i do anything to get it put back?
[21:12] <dedi> u run mc.sql and also created a user with password from /etc/mythtv/mysql, still cant login
[21:15] <superm1> fpr02, just remove the mythtv-themes meta package (it will do no harm doing so)
[21:15] <superm1> and then you can reinstall the deb
[21:18] <fpr02> erm, I meant to get Retro back into mythtv
[21:27] <superm1> yeah that's how you do it
[21:27] <fpr02> i mean upstream
[21:27] <fpr02> so retro is supported again
[21:28] <fpr02> :0
[21:28] <fpr02> hmm, wrong emoticon, :)
[21:28] <tgm4883> fpr02, you need to contact the author
[21:28] <tgm4883> and get them to make it compatible with 0.22
[21:29] <fpr02> fair enough, what way is it currently incompatible?
[21:29] <fpr02> would this merely involve updating xml files?
[21:29] <superm1> fpr02, well it needs to be converted to mythui
[21:29] <superm1> fpr02, join #mythtv-theming
[21:29] <superm1> they'll help get you started if you want to get it fixed up
[21:30] <fpr02> thanks
[22:07] <ourtv> so is it just me or does the delete recordings menu point to watch recordings for everyone? i have know way to delete recordings
[22:07] <ourtv> 9.10
[22:13] <mrand> I'm not in front of my box, but if you right arrow on a recording, does it give you a menu?
[22:30] <tgm4883> mrand, that doesn't work anymore because of mythui
[22:30] <tgm4883> you have to hit i
[22:31] <ourtv> mrand, no.  it did on 9.04.  but in 9.10 right arrow just takes you the group listing
[22:31] <ourtv> tgm4883, but when i hit i there is no option for delete
[22:31] <superm1> scroll down further
[22:32] <superm1> its off screen i think
[22:32] <superm1> gbutters, ^ is that possible to resize that dialog to fit the delete thing on there to prevent confusion?
[22:33] <tgm4883> or implement an arrow indicating that there is mroe
[22:33] <tgm4883> more*
[22:33] <ourtv> superm1, nope.  the list item in the list is Help(Status Icon)
[22:33] <superm1> when you hit "i"?
[22:33] <ourtv> superm1, yep
[22:33] <tgm4883> maybe it's not mapped to i
[22:33] <superm1> if so, try "m"
[22:33] <tgm4883> it's i on the MCEUSB remote
[22:33] <tgm4883> yea, try m
[22:34] <ourtv> superm1, ok. it's i
[22:34] <ourtv> superm1, thanks.  so is it by design then that delete recordings and watch recordings goes to the same menu?
[22:35] <superm1> not sure
[22:35] <superm1> #mythtv-users might be able to tell ya
[22:52] <gbutters> tgm4883: There should be an arrow there
[23:34] <tmkt> ourtv: yes
[23:34] <Burstaholic> Hey, is the latest mythbuntu available for powerpc?
[23:34] <tmkt> it is by design
[23:34] <tmkt> delte recordings shouldn't exist
[23:34] <tmkt> since you should be able to delete recordings from the watch recordings screen
[23:35] <tmkt> using the info menu
[23:39] <mrand> Burstaholic: There are no PowerPC specific disks made with Mythbuntu.  But in theory, I suppose you should be able to add the myth packages to a PowerPC install, but we haven't heard of anyone doing it in recent history.  Let us know if it works!  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC and the links at the bottom of that page.
[23:39] <Burstaholic> thanks
[23:41] <android6011> is this the recommended way of doing pxe boot? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless
[23:41] <android6011> or is there a better updated method
[23:41] <android6011> ?


[06:59] <didrocks> good morning
[08:43] <seb128> mvo_, hey, do you know what command should be used to install a click manually on a device? ;-) click install? or pkon?
[08:48] <ogra_> seb128, pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted blah.click
[08:48] <ogra_> no sudo ...
[08:48] <seb128> ogra_, thanks
[08:48] <didrocks> hum, IIRC colin was strongly against using pkcon directly
[08:49] <seb128> didrocks, what instead?
[08:49] <ogra_> this is what we all use nowadays :)
[08:49] <didrocks> ogra_: colin +1 it?
[08:49] <didrocks> seb128: looking on logs
[08:49] <ogra_> and the recommended method ...
[08:49] <ogra_> no idea, i didnt know he was against it ... i think he initially gave me the sequence
[08:50] <larsu> morning!
[08:51] <didrocks> ah, it was the other way around
[08:51] <didrocks> 2013-10-22 12:36:00cjwatsondidrocks: please don't use click install (unless you're very careful with its arguments), use pkcon install-local
[08:51] <didrocks> ok, so confirmed :)
[08:51] <mvo_> seb128: pkcon
[08:51] <mvo_> seb128: but click install --user=your-user foo.click is the same
[08:51] <didrocks> (IIRC, it was when then we tweaked the help to state to use the right command)
[08:52] <seb128> mvo_, thanks
[08:52] <seb128> didrocks, thanks as well
[08:52] <mvo_> seb128: its just the "--user=" thats added automatically in the pkcon and the nicer auth via pkexec
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: sorry for the false alarm, prefered to double check :)
[08:53] <seb128> mvo_, k, usually I use qtcreator but on that project click is grumpy, not sure why (running the same command from the command line works, where it hits an unicode error from qtcreator)
[08:53] <seb128> didrocks, no worry, thanks for double checking ;-)
[08:54] <mvo_> ok
[09:06] <Laney> goedemorgen!
[09:07] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[09:07] <mlankhorst> goedemorgen Laney, hoe gaat het?
[09:07] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[09:08] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:08] <didrocks> seb128: Laney: do you mind testing the privacy capplet for whoopsie enablement/disablement? (Checking that report_metrics has the right value in /etc/whoopsie now and if the whoospie job is started/enabled as you expect playing with the checkbox?)
[09:08]  * didrocks can live with a double checking
[09:09] <didrocks> of course, with latest whoopsie/whoopsie-preferences from Friday
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney mlankhorst
[09:09] <seb128> didrocks, sure can do, let me upgrade first though
[09:09] <mlankhorst> I've had a fun weekend, full of horseback riding and hacking on a arm device and bringing up xorg-server :D
[09:09] <Laney> okay
[09:10] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:10] <Laney> mlankhorst: imagine I said some great dutch :P
[09:12] <mlankhorst> hehehe
[09:12] <mlankhorst> can we add the tegra as release arch for warty? :P
[09:12] <mlankhorst> jetson tk1
[09:14] <willcooke> morning desktopers
[09:14] <larsu> happy Monday willcooke!
[09:14] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:14] <willcooke> normality is restored, it's raining in London
[09:14] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:14] <didrocks> phew!
[09:14] <mlankhorst> still sunny here!
[09:15] <seb128> willcooke, hey, how is london?
[09:15] <willcooke> morning seb128 - cold and wet.  Plus I had to get up early. :(
[09:15] <seb128> :-(
[09:15] <Laney> the cultural and economic capital of the united kingdom
[09:15] <Laney> it's a great place to live and work
[09:15] <Laney> goooooooo london
[09:15] <seb128> lol
[09:15] <willcooke> :D
[09:15] <didrocks> sounds really like Paris :)
[09:16]  * seb128 thinks we should make Laney commute to London every day to work at the office
[09:16] <willcooke> +1
[09:16] <Laney> my old landlord did that
[09:16] <Laney> he would get a 6am train every morning
[09:16] <willcooke> that's crazy
[09:16] <seb128> see, he's already getting used to the idea ;-)
[09:16] <didrocks> and he can pair with his previous landloard
[09:17] <larsu> I have the fcitx thing in the panel for a few days now
[09:17] <Laney> well if I can get a train at 9am and count working there as part of the day
[09:17] <Laney> also if they pay
[09:17] <Laney> then sure why not
[09:17] <larsu> will it go away or should I uninstall something?
[09:17] <Laney> larsu: did you get the latest update?
[09:17] <larsu> "latest"?
[09:18] <larsu> ah, new one coming in on this dist-upgrade
[09:18] <Laney> check you don't have /etc/xdg/autostart/fcitx* after that
[09:19] <larsu> I don't. Thanks!
[09:20] <larsu> why are indicators in there?
[09:21] <Laney> you mean why is there a fcitx indicator?
[09:21] <larsu> no. all other indicators are in there
[09:22] <Laney> for non upstart sessions
[09:22] <larsu> head -> desk
[09:23] <larsu> Laney: hm, they seem to be started unconditionally now
[09:23] <larsu> in unity at least
[09:23] <Laney> they are shadowed by /usr/share/upstart/xdg/autostart/
[09:24] <larsu> that's very un-xdg...
[09:24]  * larsu should stop looking into this
[09:24] <Laney> it means you can de-xdgise things if you want to upstartise them instead
[09:25] <larsu> I'd rather have them d-bus activate again
[09:25] <Laney> no kidding
[09:26] <larsu> how will this work when we move away from upstart in the session?
[09:27] <Laney> I guess it could be ported fairly as-is, have all of the indicators start after the renderer
[09:27] <Laney> but it would probably be more sensible to use bus activation ...
[09:29] <davmor2> Laney: The Cultural and economic capital ah you mean Birmingham it's as cultural as London and way more economic ;)
[09:30] <Laney> ha
[09:30] <Laney> everyone does keep going on about that new library
[09:31] <Laney> (seb128 /) happyaron / attente_: Are you planning to get fcitx itself out of the default install?
[09:31] <Laney> and installed via language-selector
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, why/how is it on the default install?
[09:35] <Laney> not sure the path that got it installed for me, let's see
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, we dropped the u-s-d/u-c-c recommends on friday, that was supposed to be enough to stop pulling it in
[09:36] <Laney> oh neat, maybe it worked already then?
[09:36] <Laney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/vivid-desktop-amd64.manifest
[09:36] <Laney> ya
[09:36] <Laney> nice
[09:36] <Laney> seems not there
[09:37] <didrocks> yeah, you should only have the libs now
[09:37] <Laney> dear autoremove
[09:37] <Laney> why will you not uninstall it?
[09:37]  * larsu was about to ask the same
[09:38] <didrocks> that's kind of weird indeed, it's never been seeded directly, right?
[09:38] <didrocks> (only child package of a metapackage are not marked auto)
[09:38] <Laney> I forgot how to see if it's marked auto or not
[09:39] <larsu> the only way I know how to is to open syanptic :(
[09:39] <didrocks> Laney: apt-mark showauto | grpe …
[09:39] <didrocks> grep*
[09:39] <larsu> neat
[09:40] <didrocks> hum, it's marked auto for me, so makes sense
[09:40] <didrocks> what's keeping it then…
[09:40] <larsu> same for me
[09:40] <didrocks> if only aptitude why worked… :p
[09:40] <didrocks> apt-get remove only wants to remove fcitx
[09:41] <didrocks> so, I guess it's a recommends
[09:41] <Laney> aptitude would say that
[09:41] <Laney> it's just telling me about a suggests
[09:41] <Laney> :|
[09:41] <didrocks> same
[09:41] <didrocks> but it only stops at the first relationship
[09:42] <didrocks> IIRC
[09:42] <didrocks> so, there can be a stronger one which is hidden
[09:47] <Laney> ah
[09:48] <Laney> didrocks: sudo apt-get -o Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false autoremove
[09:49] <didrocks> SuggestsImportant?
[09:49]  * Laney giggles at that wanting to remove cmake and schroot
[09:50] <Laney> even suggests keeps autoremove from removing packages
[09:50] <didrocks> I wouldn't expect that
[09:50] <didrocks> (as an user)
[09:51] <didrocks> oh, indeed, it's set to true starting apt <IP_ADDRESS> (2012)
[09:52] <didrocks> but no bug linked to the changelog about why that changes
[09:52] <didrocks> sounds weird to me, and it's David K. who did the change, can't even blame mvo :)
[09:54] <didrocks> Laney: FWIW, it doesn't want for me to remove cmake, but I didn't mark it auto (I guess because I played quite a lot with it, so patched, manually installed…)
[09:54] <Laney> ya it'll depend on how you installed stuff
[09:54] <Laney> surprised nothing is keeping schroot for me
[09:55] <didrocks> I would expect click or the sdk would
[09:55]  * Laney coughs
[09:55] <Laney> totally have those installed... :)
[09:55] <didrocks> ;)
[09:55] <didrocks> I guess seeing your debian usage, you can safely mark it as manual
[09:56] <Laney> I try to keep most dev stuff inside the lxc container actually
[09:56] <Laney> probably can remove these
[09:56] <dholbach> hey
[09:56] <didrocks> Laney: oh nice ;)
[09:56] <dholbach> is https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/gnome-menus/3.13.3/+merge/250879 something which should be uploaded?
[09:56] <dholbach> also... how about https://code.launchpad.net/~happyaron/ubuntu-seeds/lp-1430893/+merge/252632?
[09:57] <didrocks> dholbach: the second shouldn't, we just took extra steps to not have it installed by default :)
[09:57] <didrocks> or maybe seb128 discussed it more? ^
[09:57] <Laney> let me 'on hold' that one
[09:57] <didrocks> sure :)
[09:57] <Laney> or WIP, whatevs
[09:57] <happyaron> on hold which?
[09:58] <Laney> yours
[09:58] <Laney> no idea about gnome-menus
[09:58] <happyaron> u-s-d/u-c-c shouldn't pull in all fcitx by default, but seeding it is a must to have it default for Chinese people
[09:58] <seb128> didrocks, not discussed more no
[09:59] <happyaron> or they get ibus after installation
[09:59] <happyaron> if users open language-selector, it will write per-user configuration of input method, that will be ibus
[09:59] <happyaron> even user never touched settings about input method
[10:01] <happyaron> seb128 wonders how do we proceed?
[10:01] <Laney> Don't you want to have language-selector set it up right?
[10:02] <happyaron> I want it to be set up just out-of-box, without hurting people of other languages
[10:02] <seb128> happyaron, I don't understand enough about how the im-config/language-selector thing is used atm to answer you, but we don't want fcitx on the iso
[10:02] <happyaron> seb128: why
[10:03] <happyaron> relying on language-selector almost means the default isn't changed for anyone
[10:03] <Laney> check-language-support is run from the installer
[10:04] <happyaron> many people don't connect to internet while installation
[10:04] <seb128> happyaron, because we don't want 2 IM stacks on the image
[10:04] <happyaron> seb128: that might make the transition never been evaluated
[10:05] <happyaron> last week we tried to see there's impact on image space, and apparently the answer is no...
[10:08] <Laney> FWIW there's 'ship-live' to put it on the CD but not installed
[10:08] <Laney> at least I think that's right
[10:08] <happyaron> ok
[10:09] <happyaron> how to get that installed (from CD) for Chinese users?
[10:09] <Laney> it makes it available via apt
[10:10] <happyaron> it's highly appreciated if we can make it work without using any internet connection
[10:10] <Laney> not sure if that would be acceptable, still taking up space on the image in that case
[10:11] <happyaron> space won't grow if we remove ibus-pinyin and its dependency
[10:11] <happyaron> that used to be default for Chinese
[10:11]  * Laney nods
[10:12] <didrocks> I think let's have the ship-live change
[10:12] <Laney> installing if needed via check-language-support feels nicer to me
[10:12] <Laney> but someone would need to do the work, so... :)
[10:12] <didrocks> then, happyaron needs to ensure that chinese users get it installed via check-language-support from the CD
[10:12] <didrocks> and we check size
[10:12] <seb128> happyaron, k, fair enough
[10:13] <happyaron> ok, I'll update the MP for seeds
[10:13] <happyaron> and, is check-language-support in ubiquity?
[10:13] <didrocks> dpkg -S check-language-support
[10:13] <didrocks> language-selector-common: /usr/bin/check-language-support
[10:13] <happyaron> ok
[10:14] <didrocks> Laney: if we merge the seed, do we have some build time for kicking an image? (so that we don't forget and deal with the size check today)
[10:14] <Laney> ?
[10:14] <didrocks> we grew ~ +3M with the libs already
[10:15] <Laney> probably want to check the ubiquity side first
[10:15] <didrocks> Laney: don't want to check the image size first?
[10:15] <didrocks> if we discover it's resulting in an unacceptable image size growth, I guess that stops the check-language-support hacking effort
[10:15] <Laney> what other option is there?
[10:16] <Laney> if you want to have it installed then it has to be on there somehow
[10:16] <didrocks> keeping the existing?
[10:16] <happyaron> we haven't remove ibus-pinyin/libpyzy yet
[10:16] <didrocks> yeah
[10:16] <didrocks> that's why I want us to check the image size
[10:16] <didrocks> but for that, we need an image with the change
[10:17] <Laney> what I mean is
[10:17] <Laney> if we want to go with fcitx then we have to do this change
[10:17] <Laney> we're not going to say "too big, let's stick with ibus"
[10:17] <seb128> we could on the livecd
[10:17] <seb128> we don't install all langpacks there
[10:17] <didrocks> well, that's what we told until now at least
[10:17] <didrocks> right
[10:17] <seb128> the liveCD was never meant to be a solution for all users/locales
[10:18] <didrocks> and there is kylin, contrary to other locales
[10:18] <seb128> well or rather there is a balance in cost/benefit
[10:18] <Laney> then you just have to change language-selector and not bother with this seeding stuff
[10:18] <Laney> if that's acceptable
[10:19] <Laney> but you say that all chinese users must be online to get a proper IM
[10:19] <didrocks> before deciding on the seeding stuff, it would be nice to have the facts, in term of size
[10:19] <Laney> and then how do they type in the live session?
[10:20] <happyaron> if we do ship-live, and remove ibus-pinyin, then no way to input in live session
[10:21] <Laney> no, if you do ship-live then language-selector installs it
[10:21] <Laney> if you *don't*, and have no internet, then out of luck indeed
[10:21] <happyaron> you mean in live session, launguage-selector will install it on the fly?
[10:22] <happyaron> not saying /target
[10:22] <Laney> I think l-s will work there
[10:23] <Laney> this all needs checking, which is an argument for getting a test image I guess :)
[10:24] <happyaron> a bit confused what needs to be done... 1) ship-live 2) check-language-support, that's all I see
[10:24] <happyaron> and check if these changes work for live session, right?
[10:24] <didrocks> and get a test image to check both
[10:24] <Laney> check that ubiquity installs the right stuff
[10:24] <didrocks> (size and changes)
[10:24] <Laney> the l-s changes are the ones in bug #1431337 or thereabouts
[10:25] <happyaron> shall we get that FFe approved first?
[10:25] <Laney> you should be able to test that by installing an updated package in any current ubuntu desktop iso and running check-language-support -l zh_CN
[10:25] <Laney> then trying an installation with internet
[10:26] <Laney> don't think so, we need to know what the approach is first
[10:26] <happyaron> ok
[10:27] <Laney> maybe scan ubiquity's code first to see what it does with check-language-support too
[10:27] <happyaron> sure
[10:28] <Laney> hm
[10:28] <Laney> don't you have to restart the session to start using fcitx?
[10:30] <happyaron> have to restart session to switch input method framework
[10:31] <happyaron> sometimes it even needs reboot, because nowadays the session shutdown might not complete
[10:32] <Laney> so how useful is this stuff at all?
[10:32] <Laney> you don't really restart the live session
[10:34] <happyaron> should only work if people select chinese on the initial boot screen, not useful if people switch after it boots up
[10:34] <Laney> in that case I don't think this approach works
[10:35] <Laney> because that screen won't run check-language-support
[10:35] <didrocks> was it the same with the ibus plugin?
[10:35] <Laney> that's installed all the time
[10:35] <Laney> so will be there at startup
[10:35] <didrocks> right, but if you switch after it boots up, did it load the IM?
[10:36] <didrocks> it seems that for fcitx, even if you have it installed, it wouldn't work if you switch once you entered the session
[10:41] <happyaron> about ibus plugin, it will work to switch among ibus plugins if ibus is started by im-config, same applies for fcitx. but the other framework that's not started by im-config won't work in the session.
[10:42] <happyaron> when the latter situation happends, (if the second started framework is) ibus it will hang, and fcitx will quit.
[10:44] <Laney> maybe we do need to just seed it then
[10:45] <Laney> would be good if we could have things be removed from the installed system if they're not needed
[10:45] <Laney> oh, wait
[10:46] <Laney> maybe you can still do something like this with the 'live' seed
[10:46] <Laney> xnox: you here?
[10:47] <xnox> Laney: yes.
[10:48] <xnox> Laney: we can remove un-used things at the end of the install, and we can also have optional things on the cd that can be installed if needed.
[10:49] <Laney> xnox: It's 'remove fcitx if not chinese' basically
[10:50] <xnox> how would one install it then? it looks like fcitx is seeded everywhere hence is installed everywhere.
[10:50] <Laney> I was wondering if the live seed is good for that
[10:50] <Laney> + language-selector
[10:51] <xnox> we autoremove ubiquity and thing that haven't got marked as manually installed during installation.... ( i think ), or we can install things on target, from the iso pool. But then live session witll not have fcitx.
[10:51] <Laney> so the installer runs check-language-support which causes it to be kept on the target system
[10:51] <xnox> that's all good then.
[10:51] <Laney> but if you don't pick chinese then it's not kept
[10:51] <Laney> sane?
[10:51] <xnox> i think so.
[10:52] <Laney> neat
[10:52] <xnox> however installs in english and later enables chinese, should get incomplete language support prompt at some later point.
[10:52] <xnox> s/however/whoever/
[10:52] <Laney> ya, as normal
[10:53] <Laney> the same method (pkg_depends) will do all cases
[10:53] <happyaron> what about upgrades?
[10:53] <xnox> happyaron: if installed, simply remains. If not installed -> incomplete language support pop-up.
[10:54] <happyaron> xnox: but l-s will write current IM to per-user config silently
[10:54] <happyaron> that would mean "run_im ibus" in ~/.xinputrc
[10:55]  * xnox only knows about packages. I have no idea how things work w.r.t. ibus et.al.
[10:55] <happyaron> :)
[10:55] <Laney> if someone's user has selected ibus then you shouldn't be touching that
[10:56] <xnox> happyaron: does language support gui do the right thing _today_ ? e.g. installation in english -> switch to chinese, and vice versa.
[10:56] <happyaron> xnox: yes, but it does not have any idea about IM framework transition
[10:57] <xnox> happyaron: well, then that's a bug on it's own, no?
[10:58] <happyaron> Laney: l-s will write .xinputrc whenever its started, even if user doesn't touch IM settings
[10:58] <happyaron> xnox: think so
[10:58] <Laney> what are you proposing to do about that?
[10:59] <happyaron> I proposed not writing per-user default if not selected by the user, but Gunnar has his rationale of doing that
[10:59] <happyaron> which prevents transition actually
[11:00] <happyaron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1430893/comments/13
[11:01]  * Laney nods
[11:01] <Laney> I don't think you should be changing it for exisitng users, just make it do the new thing for new configurations
[11:03] <happyaron> so we don't deal with upgrades, just new installations
[11:04] <Laney> If they're using iBus then they're presumably happy with it already
[11:04] <Laney> or they would have switched themselves
[11:04] <Laney> (is it iBus?)
[11:04] <Laney> (or ibus)
[11:04] <happyaron> fair enough
[11:04] <happyaron> IBus
[11:05] <Laney> I'm writing a comment on the bug
[11:05] <happyaron> thanks
[11:06] <Laney> somehow I find #1431337 an easy bug number to remember ;-)
[11:06] <larsu> woah, system settings has a help/quit menu item. Don't let mpt see that
[11:07] <larsu> I mean, don’t let him see that
[11:09] <davmor2> Laney: yeah but it's a bit elitist
[11:09] <Laney> literatist
[11:12] <Laney> happyaron: done
[11:12] <Laney> see if that matches your understanding
[11:12] <larsu> Trevinho: are we now always showing the app menu?
[11:15] <happyaron> Laney: almostly, proposed locales would be zh_* though
[11:15] <Laney> ok
[11:16]  * Laney wonders why his pc lost dns
[11:16] <davmor2> Laney: you on vivid?
[11:16] <Laney> yes
[11:17] <davmor2> Laney: that's why then, happens on the phone too so I would guess at the latest network-manager
[11:17] <Laney> got a bug #?
[11:17] <Laney> nm's actually not supposed to be doing anything on this machine
[11:18] <davmor2> Laney: just trying to confirm that it isn't the new QT5.4.1 stuff before I file if there isn't one
[11:18] <Laney> oh it's back
[11:19] <Laney> after restarting resolvconf
[11:19] <Laney> some update clobbered my /etc/resolv.conf
[11:24] <Sweet5hark> moin
[11:24] <happyaron> Laney: seeds updated, status changed to Needs review
[11:26] <Laney> ok, thanks, let me look quickly
[11:29] <Laney> happyaron: in some hours we'll be able to build a new ISO with these changes
[11:30] <Laney> once "apt-cache show fcitx" says Task: ubuntu-live
[11:32] <happyaron> ok
[11:32] <happyaron> thanks
[12:04] <Laney> dobey: any complaints if I sponsor your intltool to debian instead of vivid?
[12:37] <larsu> Laney: do you think my titlebar branch is good enough for this cycle? Should we wait until we get proper spacing between the buttons? Is it to ui-freezy already?
[12:38] <Laney> larsu: I'd take it as it is now, but it is definitely UI freezy
[12:39] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze says mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:39] <larsu> do you think it's worth it?
[12:40] <larsu> bah, 4 days ago :(
[12:40] <Laney> well
[12:41] <Laney> I'd just word it like "if you've taken loads of screenshots already then no worries"
[12:41] <Laney> i.e. only do it if it's low effort for everyone
[12:41] <larsu> makes sense
[12:41] <larsu> this only affects non-default apps
[12:41] <larsu> so probably there aren't many screenshots around
[12:42] <larsu> I'll also propose the totem fix
[12:42] <larsu> if you like it *cough*
[12:42] <Laney> oh yeah, it looks quite good I think
[12:58] <Trevinho> larsu: what you mean? Shouldn't it be shown?
[12:58] <Trevinho> (in some cases)
[13:03] <dobey> Laney: it's fine if it gets synced to vivid. i didn't do it that way because i have no debian dev perms at all (and don't really know anything about uploading to debian)
[13:03] <Laney> dobey: No worries, should just be changing the target for me
[13:03] <Laney> thanks
[13:03] <Laney> (& the version of course)
[13:05] <larsu> Trevinho: I have the feeling it is shown in too many cases
[13:05] <larsu> Trevinho: not sure though. I'll investigate after lunch and let you know
[13:21] <Trevinho> larsu: ok, let me know... there might be a missing flag in indicator-appmenu
[13:38] <desrt> word.
[13:38] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:38] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[13:38] <didrocks> morning desrt
[13:39] <desrt> seb128, didrocks: hi
[13:39] <desrt> yup
[13:39] <desrt> did some cool jhbuild work :)
[13:39] <seb128> stop hacking during the w.e ;-)
[13:40]  * desrt has enough crap to do during the week, and this is important :p
[13:41] <desrt> i have a couple of nice scripts now, though -- one creates a base system image out of my local debian/ubuntu mirror, with jhbuild installed from git, and makes a .tar of the result
[13:42] <desrt> the other one extracts that .tar into a tmpfs, installs the proper sysdeps for a given module, and runs jhbuild
[13:45] <desrt> debootstrap off of a local mirror is slow -- so this will help with speeding up the ~160 builds that need to be done
[13:55] <Laney> darkxst: you probably want to upload gnome-online-accounts to kill facebook chat, btw
[14:12] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Hey, any chance you could update your Xmir xorg-server in your PPA to supersede the version in the archive?
[14:30] <mlankhorst> ChrisTownsend: what exactly?
[14:31] <mlankhorst> ah k :P
[14:31] <mlankhorst> right forgot about that
[14:31] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Ok, sure, thanks!
[15:03] <mlankhorst> ChrisTownsend: uploaded
[15:04] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Thanks!
[15:42] <flexiondotorg_> Is anyone else aware that the daily images don't make it to Ubiquity at the moment?
[15:50] <seb128> flexiondotorg_, what's the error?
[15:50] <seb128> and what image?
[15:51] <flexiondotorg_> I've just test Ubuntu MATE i386 and amd64 from 15th and 16th.
[15:51] <seb128> that's also probably more a topic for -devel than desktop
[15:51] <flexiondotorg_> seb128, OK.
[15:52] <flexiondotorg_> There is an error about pxconv not being able to set the permission of /etc/passwd- to 0600
[15:52] <flexiondotorg_> I'm checking with other flavours to see if this is just in Ubuntu MATE.
[15:54] <flexiondotorg_> *pwconv
[16:06] <Laney> mlankhorst: Most of the time when I resume my monitors after they DPMS power off, one of them doesn't come back
[16:06] <Laney> until I open "Displays" in the control centre
[16:06] <Laney> he;lp
[16:09] <larsu> would be great if someone could comment on the theme MRs before I propose ffes
[16:11] <seb128> larsu, urls?
[16:11] <larsu> seb128: bug #1425155 and bug #1376565
[16:12] <seb128> larsu, danke
[16:17] <seb128> larsu, approved the totem one, no doubt we should get that in, looks also a bugfix rather than an ui change to me
[16:17] <Laney> what's 'rather than'?
[16:17] <Laney> it can be both
[16:17] <seb128> it's an ui fix
[16:17] <seb128> rather than an ui feature
[16:17] <seb128> e.g not a redesign/change in spirit
[16:18] <Laney> UI freeze doesn't have this distinction
[16:18] <seb128> I though we made the distinction there as well?
[16:18] <larsu> this is UI freeze though, not UI feature freeze
[16:18] <larsu> (or is it?)
[16:18] <seb128> hum
[16:18] <Laney> correct
[16:18] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[16:18] <larsu> somebody could've made a screenshot already
[16:18] <Laney> but it's fine, you just have to notify them
[16:18] <seb128> from past discussions I though the documentation team didn't mind about visible "fixes"/tweaks
[16:18] <larsu> one of the problems with the other MR is that window-close-symbolic is now a different icon
[16:18] <Laney> I doubt they mind
[16:18] <seb128> they just didn't want to have things different enough that the documentation wouldn't make sense
[16:19] <Laney> but they still want notifying
[16:19] <larsu> and it's also used in tabs for example
[16:19] <larsu> so those look weird now
[16:22] <Laney> weird how?
[16:22] <larsu> too thin imo
[16:22] <seb128> larsu, comment/approved them
[16:22] <Laney> do you have a screenshot?
[16:23] <larsu> I got used to it already, I'm just making sure whoever reviews it notices that
[16:23] <seb128> brb, going to a coffee to work from there for a bit, back online when I arrive there (need an irc proxy!)
[16:24]  * Laney insults seb128 now he's gone
[16:24] <Laney> muhaha
[16:24] <larsu> Laney: I do now: http://i.imgur.com/jZgHEc1.png
[16:24] <Laney> you mean the × itself is too thin?
[16:24] <larsu> otoh, the ones we had before look too thick in window decoration buttons
[16:24] <larsu> Laney: yes
[16:25] <Laney> ah
[16:25] <Laney> doesn't look too bad to me
[16:25] <larsu> okay good :)
[16:25] <Laney> feel free to mail the docs team imho
[16:25] <larsu> is one mail for both bugs ok?
[16:25] <Laney> yeah I'm sure they can deal with that
[16:26] <Laney> it's mainly GunnarHj afaik
[16:27] <Laney> sad times, going to be on hols for beta
[18:28] <Laney> bye!
[20:12] <robert_ancell> mterry, seb128, So it appears that ~indic-team is not an active team. Who do you recommend we subscribe the Indic font package bug reports to? We could put ~ubuntu-desktop there but we'll just probably shrug our shoulders and point at the Debian IN team
[20:16] <seb128> robert_ancell, wfm, the team subscription main goal is to have some active team listed as in charge of the package so there is an escalation path if there is an issue that needs to be sorted out
[20:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, I don't expect the font to be problematic so subscription desktop works
[20:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, we'll just be a placeholder until someone else takes over
[20:17] <robert_ancell> yeah
[20:17] <seb128> want me to do that?
[20:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, and no, not ~ubuntu-desktop but ~desktop-bugs
[20:18] <seb128> we don't want to spam the desktop mailing list ;-)
[20:18] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'm just checking if I can (I suspect not) otherwise I'll send the list of URLs to you
[20:18] <robert_ancell> yeah, I can do ~ubuntu-desktop but not ~desktop-bugs it seems
[20:19] <robert_ancell> seb128, I've forwarded the list via email
[20:20] <seb128> shrug
[20:21] <seb128> robert_ancell, you just won ~desktop-bugs admin rights, enjoy :p
[20:21] <robert_ancell> ok
[20:21] <robert_ancell> seb128, Didn't feel like subscribing >10 packages? ;)
[20:21] <seb128> no :p
[20:22] <robert_ancell> I was hoping you might have a magic script
[20:28] <seb128> no :-/
[20:50] <mterry> robert_ancell, sorry, wasn't paying attention to irc
[20:50] <robert_ancell> mterry, np
[20:50] <mterry> robert_ancell, I'm not sure.  :-/
[20:50] <mterry> robert_ancell, I'm not familiar with the various localization teams
[20:50] <mterry> robert_ancell, but we probably have an Indian translation group?
[20:51] <robert_ancell> mterry, well, I thought ~indian-team would be that but I emailed them and they said no
[20:52] <mterry> robert_ancell, well... maybe do desktop in meantime?  Even if it's a shrug, at least someone may see it
[20:52] <mterry> robert_ancell, I doubt there are many bugs in these packages
[20:52] <robert_ancell> mterry, I've subscribed ~desktop-bugs at seb128 s suggestion
[20:53] <mterry> robert_ancell, ah, didn't read scrollback, cool
[21:19] <desrt> annoying → https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/638498
[21:28] <darkxst> Laney, gnome-online-accounts is in -desktop, so I can't upload it
[22:11] <darkxst> Laney, bug 1432859


[00:14] <jussi01> Seveas: still up?
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> vorian: you awake still?
[05:49] <vorian> tonyyarusso: yes
[05:49] <vorian> what's up?
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> vorian: remember that supybot thing from a while back?
[05:49] <vorian> the rss atom feed reader?
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[05:49] <vorian> yes
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> I'm finally getting around to looking into it.  You sent me a couple of files, but didn't include any real description of what you found, what you needed to do, etc.  Care to give some insight about what I should do with those files / why?
[05:52] <vorian> lemme check on that
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> What, you don't remember things from months ago to the minute detail?  :P
[05:52]  * tonyyarusso can barely remember breakfast, so...
[05:57] <vorian> tonyyarusso: iirc, I found it in the supybot cvs on sf.net
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> yeah, but what's different, and what do I need to do with it?
[05:59] <vorian> replace the rss plugin in your plugin directory
[05:59] <vorian> then flush the bot
[06:00] <vorian> tonyyarusso: I'll see if I can dig up the actual code sunday
[06:00] <vorian> or later today :P
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> While it's already up and running?
[06:00]  * vorian needs sleep
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> vorian: I still have the code you sent me.  Just pondering how to use it.
[06:00] <vorian> replace it
[06:00] <vorian> then flush the bot
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> and by "flush", does "restart" qualify, or is that something else?
[06:01] <vorian> in your bot window just type /flush
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> bot window being on the console or in a query with it?
[06:01] <vorian> tonyyarusso: which channel is said bot on?  :)
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> none right at the moment.  will be ##tonyyarusso and probably #ubuntu-us-mn
[06:02] <vorian> i see
[06:02] <vorian> you could kill it then, and restart it
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> I'll try that.
[06:03] <vorian> weee
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> vorian: oh, one other thing - any idea whether I can use feeds that require HTTP authentication?
[06:17] <vorian> hmmm
[06:17] <vorian> nope
[06:17] <vorian> sorry :(
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> vorian: Answer: Yes!  Score!
[06:20]  * tonyyarusso does a dance
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> my only concern is that I need to make sure it won't display the config url in a channel, since that of course now has a username and password in it.
[08:07] <emma> Hello.
[08:07] <emma> will it be okay if I idle in here?
[08:07] <Myrtti> no?
[08:07] <Myrtti> see topic
[08:07] <emma> why not?
[08:07] <emma> Okay let me read that..
[08:07] <Myrtti> unless you've got a really really good reason
[08:08] <Myrtti> *really* good one
[08:08] <emma> Okay that clarifies things. Thanks. :)
[08:10] <Myrtti> you know what I just did?
[08:10] <Myrtti> I made an init.d script for irssi \o/
[08:10] <Myrtti> woooooooooo oooo oo
[08:10] <Myrtti> ooo
[08:10] <Myrtti> muhahahahahahahHAHAHHAAAAAA *evil*
[08:10] <Myrtti> bwahaha
[08:11] <Myrtti> you know what's evil?
[08:11] <nickrud> pointless stuff ;)
[08:11] <Myrtti> or I can't understand this
[08:11] <Myrtti> I do know the reasoning
[08:12] <Myrtti> but I dislike the fact that even in irssi configuration in Gutsy, there's the network irc.ubuntu.com 6667, but no freenode
[08:13] <nickrud> I thought that was a forward ...
[08:14] <nickrud> or whatever the canonical name for pointing at another network is
[08:14] <Myrtti> it is
[08:15] <Myrtti> but almost every documentation EXCEPT the ones on the clients themselves refer to freenode
[08:15] <Myrtti> and probably not even there
[08:16] <nickrud> heh. Lots of bugs to file then
[08:18] <Myrtti> so say that a person has a problem with... exaile on their ubuntu
[08:18] <Myrtti> they use say... irssi and connect to "Ubuntu" network
[08:19] <Myrtti> they join #ubuntu "Hey I've got a problem with my exaile, it's xyz" "oh, I haven't seen that, go ask guys in #exaile"
[08:20] <Myrtti> "which network" "freenode" "I haven't got that in my irssi..."
[08:20] <Myrtti> d'oh.
[08:22] <nickrud> hm. Don't remember if I had to add freenode to xchat or not. I usually set up for kubrick, it's in town
[08:23] <Myrtti> well there's "Ubuntu", IRCnet, EFnet, Undernet, Dalnet and Quakenet in irssi
[08:23] <Myrtti> pristine installation in Gutsy
[08:24] <Myrtti> I don't like this forwarding idea at all
[08:24] <Myrtti> it's confusing to say the least
[08:24] <nickrud> there's dozens in xchat . I have a freenode but ...
[08:26] <Myrtti> so who's Most Excellent Idea was it to put it as "Ubuntu" in irssi :-P
[08:26] <nickrud> heh. Who's the highest we can blame?
[08:26] <Myrtti> does sabdfl use irssi ;-)
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> Whose Most Excellent Idea was it to remove irssi from the default install and make Pidgin of all bloody things the default IRC client?
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> No, sabdfl apparently thinks Pidgin is the Second Coming.  :P
[08:27] <Myrtti> I don't mind irssi not being in the default install
[08:27] <Myrtti> but Pidgin FCOL
[08:28] <nickrud> fcol? A new one for me
[08:28] <Myrtti> for crying out loud
[08:28] <Myrtti> I might even add the !ohmy acronym
[08:28] <Myrtti> FFS
[08:28] <Myrtti> Pidgin of all the accursed clients in the world
[08:29] <Myrtti> even xchat-gnome would probably be a better choice
[08:29] <Myrtti> or Chatzilla surely
[08:29] <Myrtti> argh.
[08:29] <nickrud> for irc. But, most ubuntu users don't irc anyway
[08:29] <Myrtti> for irc
[08:30] <Myrtti> many, many do. atleast here in Finland
[08:30] <nickrud> of course, I do hate trying to talk to pidginers
[08:30] <Myrtti> even mIRC would be better.
[08:30] <Myrtti> mIRC is loverly
[08:30] <Myrtti> oh the good old times
[08:30] <nickrud> no nick highlighting from what I hear. So, brainstorm anyone?
[08:31] <Myrtti> if they have to have pidgin as the default for irc, why don't they default install all the scripts too?
[08:31] <Myrtti> there's plenty of them making the ircing experience on it better
[08:33] <Myrtti> highligh, irchelper, ircmore, irssi features, join/part hiding, markerline, nicksaid, text replacement, etc
[08:34] <nickrud> heh. All the things an irc client should have by default.
[08:34] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:34] <nickrud> except for the irssi features
[08:34] <Myrtti> I don't know what they are
[08:34] <Myrtti> might be good ones
[08:36] <nickrud> you're pretty calm. that was a dis of irssi ;)
[08:36] <Myrtti> I've mellowed during the last 6mo
[08:38] <nickrud> I'm off to bed, it's past midnight here.
[08:41] <Myrtti> hah, the irssi init works perfectly
[10:10] <Tm_T> jussi01: hi?
[10:19] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: heh, I was about to call the ops about uunbeatable
[10:20] <jpatrick> he spammed #k-ot
[10:21] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, i got his PMs with my alt nick, and #freenode is now inundated with complaints about it
[10:22] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: thrown out for #kubuntu, he appears to be trying to spam #u-ot
[10:26] <jpatrick> "#kde<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Channel ban list is full"
[10:28] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, clear some old dynamic bans then :Þ
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: the idea is so that if we ever had to move networks, we could do so easily
[10:29] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: space.
[10:29] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: just makes me wonder how #ubuntu's banlist got so big
[10:30] <jpatrick> ah, +L
[10:31] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: I know that
[10:32] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: but I can't understand why there isn't freenode at all then
[10:32] <Hobbsee> good quesiton
[10:33] <Myrtti> 10:11 -'@: I do know the reasoning
[10:33] <Myrtti> 10:12 -'@: but I dislike the fact that even in irssi configuration in Gutsy, there's the network irc.ubuntu.com 6667, but no freenode
[10:33] <Myrtti> that Just Doesn't Make Sense
[10:35] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: emma was trying to bait you, btw.
[10:36]  * elkbuntu hopes that it's irc.ubuntu.com 8001 in hardy
[10:37] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, did you cross-tag that bug for all irc clients, or just the xchat ones?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> it was all irc
[10:37]  * Hobbsee got notification of it
[10:37] <elkbuntu> excellent
[10:37] <elkbuntu> i cant be arsed searchign for it atm
[10:38] <elkbuntu> but i know someone fixed xchat, but neglected xchat-gnome despite the patch provided, which was stupid
[10:44] <Myrtti> /me makes a mental note that this channel is publicly logged
[10:45] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: from -motu: +b *!*@unaffiliated/kmos +b %*!*@unaffiliated/kmos ?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: yeah, it's a quiet
[10:46] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: and a ban
[10:47] <Hobbsee> oh
[10:51] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: thanks
[10:52] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'm in ban clearing mode
[10:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:52] <Hobbsee> there shouldn't be many bans in -motu
[10:53] <jpatrick> yeah
[10:55]  * jpatrick wonders what emma was doing in #ubuntu-es
[10:56] <elkbuntu> waiting for a chance to spam about -uncensored probably
[11:02] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58080/
[11:02] <jpatrick> no comment...
[11:03] <jpatrick> PriceChild: even you got a mention^
[11:05] <elkbuntu> what does that last line mean?
[11:05] <jpatrick> Ahh, P3L|C4N0 the spanish version of Pr!ceChild, the Authority
[11:05] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:06] <elkbuntu> authority is a feminine word?
[11:07] <jpatrick> most words ending in -dad are
[11:07] <elkbuntu> ooh, i'll remember that
[11:07] <jpatrick> "la Comunidad"
[11:08] <elkbuntu> it's still strange that authority is female in a very patriarchal society
[11:09] <elkbuntu> i annoy effrain with stupid questions and statements like this all the time :)
[11:10] <elkbuntu> err, s/ff/f/
[11:10] <jpatrick> efrain's a good guy
[11:10] <elkbuntu> yep
[11:11] <elkbuntu> pity he has such a hard time trying to keep rolando's ambitions seperate from the -ve loco
[11:14] <jpatrick> jussi01: the guy uses this: http://www.openfsg.com/ - for his irssi
[11:17] <jpatrick> jussi01: however if, you need something cheaper: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
[11:20] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (boc_)
[11:21] <ompaul> !staff
[11:21] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[11:21] <ompaul> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ompaul
[11:21] <ompaul> * boc_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul)
[11:21] <ompaul> * ompaul sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:21] <ompaul> spammer
[11:22] <jpatrick> and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58081/ too
[11:25] <jpatrick> heh, boc_ just /join-ed  #kde
[11:26] <ompaul> jpatrick, and you banned on sight?
[11:26] <jpatrick> ompaul: yeah, kinda..
[11:26] <ompaul> kinda
[11:26]  * ompaul gives up
[11:26] <jpatrick> ompaul: see #frenode
[11:27] <Gary> ompaul: trying to get it sorted
[11:28] <ompaul> ack
[11:32] <jussi01> jpatrick: thanks. I think Im going to get one of those tux things that no0tic mentioned :D (http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=21)
[11:37] <ompaul> where can you buy tghem
[11:37] <ompaul> found it
[11:38] <jussi01> :D
[11:40] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, those openfsg things look awesome, but i cant quite validate $400 for a router :-/
[11:40] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: why he recommended me the cheaper one :)
[11:45] <elkbuntu> i need to get me a better router. mine is a piece of trash
[11:46] <jpatrick> so's mine (has no access to it) and the wifi range has gone down
[11:47] <ompaul> jpatrick, nmap it
[11:49] <jpatrick> ompaul: interesting..
[11:49] <ompaul> jpatrick, why?
[11:49] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, i've got a dsl 604t. it's the stupidest piece of network hardware i've ever touched
[11:49] <jpatrick> ompaul: well, the ISP gave us a username and passwd for it, but they've never worked
[11:50] <ompaul> jpatrick, what is the router type?
[11:50] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, ssh + john :)
[11:50]  * ompaul wonders what reset buttons are for
[11:51] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: has no ssh according to nmap, only telnet
[11:51] <elkbuntu> eww
[11:51] <ompaul> jpatrick, try telnet IP 80
[11:51] <ompaul> or try putting in its address to a web browser
[11:51] <ompaul> sounds reallllly old
[11:52] <jpatrick> ompaul: those both bring up a passwd dialog
[11:52] <ompaul> jpatrick, what is the model number
[11:54] <ompaul> jpatrick, at least stick those values into google - try username: admin pass: admin or 1234
[11:54] <jpatrick> ompaul: 1234 worked..
[11:54] <ompaul> heh
[11:54] <ompaul> the other username and password is more than likely the logon to the adsl system of the ISP
[11:55] <ompaul> dump your firmware to a backup - explode it and grep it for password strings
[11:55] <ompaul> when I was a lad you could actually get machines that needed you to program binary
[11:55] <ompaul> now look at it
[11:56] <ompaul> jpatrick, make sure wireless is WPA or else don't use it
[11:56] <ompaul> jpatrick, wep is like wrapping money up in a paper bag and thinking it is secure
[11:57] <jpatrick> ompaul: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/cooltony/zyxel/zyxel_en.htm it's one of these
[11:57] <ompaul> jpatrick, zyxel make good hardware (I have yet to find one of their pieces to be badly made)
[11:57] <ompaul> not open but generally not abd
[11:58] <ompaul> jpatrick, the 630?
[11:58] <jpatrick> ompaul: 650
[11:59] <ompaul> sorry I have a 630 here and a couple of linksys but that is the kind of chap I am
[12:00] <jpatrick> oh this is fun
[12:00]  * jpatrick enables all the cool stuff
[12:01] <ompaul> jpatrick, careful the password they want you to use is for your login to them
[12:01] <ompaul> check out the values in those fields
[12:04] <jpatrick> Old Password= ?
[12:05] <jpatrick> etc
[12:05] <white_eagle> hello, will you remove the ban from #ubuntu-offtopic for me?
[12:05] <white_eagle> its there for a week or so
[12:06] <Seveas> white_eagle, what was the reason for the ban?
[12:07] <white_eagle> I mistakenly sent ctcp ping to the whole channel, I was used to do /ping in xchat and the client would ping me only, but in irssi, it pinged the whole channel, and this was the 3th time
[12:07] <Seveas> white_eagle, so you pinged the channel three times?
[12:07] <Seveas> well, then don't anser
[12:07] <Seveas> wwwwwwwww
[12:08] <Seveas> ah, it works :)
[12:08] <elkbuntu> hehe
[12:09] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, i kind of wonder in which ways i'll be able to mess around with my stupid dsl-604t once i get a respectable replacement, but i dont think many :(
[12:09] <white_eagle> hello?
[12:09] <white_eagle> I reconnected
[12:09] <white_eagle> did you say something
[12:09] <Seveas> white_eagle, so you pinged the channel three times?
[12:09] <Seveas> doing that once could be an accident
[12:09] <Seveas> twice is just stupid
[12:10] <white_eagle> Seveas: it wasn't my intention
[12:10] <white_eagle> to
[12:10] <white_eagle> do that
[12:10] <Seveas> but at three times, I generally stop beleiving in innocence
[12:10] <white_eagle> I just got used to xchat
[12:10] <Seveas> white_eagle, I'm not beleiving you, given that you have a history of bot abuse
[12:10] <Seveas> and kicks
[12:11] <white_eagle> Seveas: ok, don't remove it then, its your choice
[12:11] <white_eagle> bye
[12:19] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: well, I finally have dhcp now
[12:20] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, hehehe
[12:20] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, my problem is, that's all i have. it would continually give the mac addresses i registered as static, new ips
[12:21]  * jpatrick has an even bigger problem now
[12:21] <elkbuntu> which is?
[12:23] <jpatrick> well, the router closed the telnet..
[12:23] <jpatrick> but restart and it's back *phew*
[12:30] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:32] <jussi01> heya Tm_T
[12:33] <jpatrick> !staff | more dalnet ##linux guys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58092/
[12:33] <ubotu> more dalnet ##linux guys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58092/: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:07] <ompaul> !staff |  <FarooqSb> ##Linux on Dalnet etc
[13:07] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:10] <Hobbsee> ompaul: clearly you shouldn't have given up your staffing rights
[13:10] <ompaul> Hobbsee, no, clearly I should have!
[13:25] <jussi01> Hmm, Im off for a bit. Someone might want to keep an eye on #k :) (jpatrick Im looking at you :P )
[13:27] <Dave2> gone
[13:28] <ompaul> Dave2, no no my my,  see farooqsb
[13:29] <Dave2> ?
[13:29] <ompaul> that ping from earlier
[13:29] <Dave2> <-- FarooqSb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (K-lined)
[13:29] <Dave2> that's what I meant
[13:29] <ompaul> good :)
[13:29] <ompaul> I thought you were going :)
[14:27] <hikenboot> hello I have made the change requestd by the ubuntu bot to port 8001 on irc.freenode.net/8001
[14:27] <hikenboot> it still connects after a restart to the old port
[14:41] <jussi01> hikenboot: which bot? where?
[14:42] <jpatrick> jussi01: probaly #ubuntu-read-topic
[14:42] <jussi01> aye...
[14:42] <jussi01> still sleepy
[14:54] <jpatrick> hikenboot: what client do you use?
[15:45] <jpatrick> hi Jack_Sparrow
[16:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi jpatrick
[16:17] <Jack_Sparrow> I have been stopping in when I feel up to it..
[16:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Tough month..
[16:19] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: xchat-gnome was sorted. (its in main so the motu who did xchat couldn't do it)
[16:20] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: I only tagged the clients I knew were affected, we should probably go through as many as we can find.
[16:21] <PriceChild> I am "the Authority"? 8-)
[17:28] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, tuxnoob080302 said: !patience is an 'Invalid command' Ha
[19:34] <jussi01> hmmm, lovely, we have a "shitbreak" in #ubuntu
[19:36] <ompaul> jussi01, not any more
[19:36] <nickrud> ompaul: that was drastic. Didn't even give him a chance to cange
[19:36] <ompaul> nickrud, na - it is please come here and understand our community
[19:36] <ompaul> or don't troll it
[19:36] <jussi01> !opsnack | ompaul
[19:36] <ubotu> ompaul: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[19:36] <ompaul> can't eat the first - but can eat the second
[19:37] <ompaul> shitbreak, please change your nick and ident before you will let into #ubuntu
[19:37] <nickrud> shitbreak: change your nick
[19:37] <shitbreak> aa
[19:37] <shitbreak> ok
[19:37] <juhap> is it better now?
[19:37] <juhap> and ident
[19:37] <ompaul> and the realname shitbrea
[19:38] <juhap> okay.
[19:38] <ompaul> !guidlines > juhap
[19:38] <ompaul> on return after 5 mins lift the ban
[19:38] <ompaul> nickrud, I am reasonable it was not an outright ban :)
[19:38] <ompaul> it was come here and know what we will and won't accept
[19:38] <nickrud> ompaul: at least he knew to come here
[19:39] <ompaul> nickrud, no he was ban forwarded
[19:39] <jussi01> was it not a forward=?
[19:39] <jussi01> heh
[19:39] <ompaul> on an attempt to join the channel he is diverted by the chanserv the traffic cop to here
[19:39] <nickrud> ompaul: missed the foward part. Need to read all
[19:39] <ompaul> ;-)
[19:39] <ompaul> nickrud, I am not that drastic
[19:40] <nickrud> irish dander, I fear it ;)
[19:40] <ompaul> nickrud, that goes for anyone with f*k and s*t in their quit message as much as in their nick
[19:40] <ompaul> just ban forward here
[19:40] <nickrud> k
[19:40] <ompaul> mostly you will find it to be trollish behaviour
[19:40] <Seveas> --- Seveas sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS> ##Linux (with ##) on Dalnet needs some good company and good channel operators. type /server irc.dal.net (or /connect irc.dalnd join ##Linux. Be there for some time.
[19:40] <Seveas> got that in pm
[19:40] <ompaul> Seveas, we getting them all day
[19:41] <nalioth> Seveas: klined
[19:41] <Seveas> haven't seen them in a while
[19:43] <nalioth> fserve, indeed
[19:48] <no0tic> Seveas, I got it too
[19:58] <pressenter> PriceChild: Sorry, i was out for a week holidays. Whats up?
[19:59] <pressenter> Tm_T: #ubuntu-pl op
[20:13] <nixternal> nalioth: you seeing these idiots from dalnet spamming ##Linux in pm's?
[20:13] <nalioth> nixternal: right now?
[20:13] <nixternal> yes
[20:13] <nixternal> alferedh
[20:14] <nixternal> I woke up this morning to about 5 of them
[20:14] <nalioth> nixternal: history (scroll up)
[20:15] <nalioth> nixternal: he's not in ##linux
[20:15] <nixternal> no, he is spamming it for ##Linux on Dalnet
[20:15] <nalioth> nixternal: all i need to know is "spam"
[20:15] <nalioth> this ##linux spamming from dalnet is very confusing
[20:15] <nalioth> i've gottne multiple PMs from folks on both networks thinking i'm able to do something
[20:16] <nalioth> so just "spammer"
[20:16] <nixternal> ok, spmmer
[20:16] <nixternal> err, spammer
[20:22] <LjL> nalioth, he's simply someone PM'ing people (me included) with this
[20:22] <LjL> [21:10:56] <AlferedH> ##Linux (with ##) on Dalnet needs some good company and good channel operators. type /server irc.dal.net (or /connect irc.dal.net) and join ##Linux. More flexible, more firendly Be there for some time..
[20:22] <jussi01> I got the same
[20:23] <LjL> he did it before with me with another nickname, [Sun 02 Mar 13:32:35](FarooqSb)
[20:23] <jussi01> LjL: [03/02/08 15:27:30] <+Dave2> <-- FarooqSb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (K-lined)
[20:23] <LjL> seenserv says he former was klined
[20:23] <LjL> yeah
[20:26] <Seeker`> is ##linux on dal a "legit" channel?
[20:27] <nalioth> LjL: yes, he has been kline evading and doing it for days now
[20:27] <ompaul> Seeker`, is dal a legit network  :)
[20:27] <Seeker`> ompaul: I dont know
[20:27] <Seeker`> This is the only network I;ve used in years
[20:28] <ompaul> Seeker`, my point, if I had been more verbose was, that is a different network so complaining there might or might not be useful however we got the problem here
[20:28] <nalioth> he's klined there, too
[20:29] <Seeker`> I was wondering if ##linux on DAL was a sensible channel, or something someone has set up for the purpose of spamming
[20:29] <nalioth> kline evading works on all networks, you see

[20:29] <nalioth> ATTENTION
[20:29]  * nickrud sits upright
[20:29] <nalioth> THE ##LINUX-ON-DALNET SPAMMER IS ATTEMPTING A SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST ##LINUX ON DAL.NET
[20:30] <no0tic> ?
[20:30] <nalioth> he is a common troll, doing a common troll
[20:30] <ompaul> icanhasadmin << that has to be the best nick I have seen in a while
[20:30] <no0tic> ompaul, lol
[21:30] <ompaul> nalioth, Seveas what does this do? <coffeeTom>     /SET print_active_channel ON
[21:30] <ompaul> someone logging to paper?
[21:30] <nalioth> ompaul: i have no idea
[21:30] <Seveas> no idea
[21:30] <Seveas> it's not an xchat thing
[21:30] <ompaul> there is that
[21:30] <no0tic> ompaul, I'll check
[21:30] <no0tic> ompaul, on irssi
[21:30]  * ompaul uses uncle google
[21:31] <no0tic> ompaul,   print_active_channel = OFF
[21:31] <no0tic>     Always print the channel with the nickname (like <nick:channel>)
[21:31] <no0tic>     even if the message is from the channel you currently have active.
[21:32] <ompaul> no0tic, ack
[21:32] <nalioth> no0tic: what does that mean in a human language?
[21:33] <no0tic> every nick sending a privmsg to a channel is formatted like <nick:channel> instead of <nick>
[21:33] <nalioth> ah
[21:34] <no0tic> http://no0tic.homelinux.org/~no0tic/irssi-settings.txt
[21:34] <no0tic> an explanation of almost all irssi settings
[22:18] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Jack_Sparrow said: !envy is a terrible idea
[22:18] <Pici> yes, yes it is.
[22:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Darn
[22:19] <Jack_Sparrow> for got to target it..
[22:26] <jdong> the new EnvyNG thing looks like a move in the right direction
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Improvements are always welcome..
[22:28] <jdong> Yeah, it definitely looks like the author has Ubuntu's best interests in mind and try hard to improve and take advice
[22:28] <jdong> http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=163
[22:28] <jdong> his special thanks section shows a great deal of collaboration with developers
[23:11] <PriceChild> pressenter: there was a user wanting to talk about a ban, he hasn't been back so i assume its resolved. Thanks for getting back to me.
[23:25] <pressenter> PriceChild: He's been comming here like 4 times now, i've told him that the ban stays. I see that he has not learned a thing, he's still annoying.
[23:59] <PriceChild> I remember last time a place was discovered ripping planet posts and rebranding/sticking advertising on.
[23:59] <PriceChild> The people making a fuss got laughed at.... I wonder why its different this time.


[09:12] <AlanBell> hi all
[09:12] <AlanBell> where is the code for the light-moin-theme as used on the wiki?
[09:13] <AlanBell> and is anyone looking at the bugs that are tagged light-wiki?
[09:14] <AlanBell> and what is the process for getting a new plugin or parser installed in the wiki?
[09:14] <AlanBell> and can we have the xapian full text search engine installed to speed up the wiki?
[09:15] <AlanBell> and can we install a specific optional theme designed for good accessibility?
[09:48] <zkriesse> AlanBell: way to ask questions in a flash dude lol
[09:49] <AlanBell> indeed
[09:49] <AlanBell> been spending a long time looking for the right place to ask them
[09:49] <AlanBell> just found the mailing list for this team so sending them there
[09:49] <zkriesse> ah fun stuff
[09:50] <AlanBell> lists.*canonical*.com who would have thought it!
[09:50] <zkriesse> huh
[12:57]  * popey points AlanBell at newz2000
[13:04]  * popey further points AlanBell at rt :)
[13:08] <AlanBell> ugh
[13:09] <AlanBell> rt is a great big progress avoiding tool :)
[13:27] <Daviey> Everyone knows what RT is short for.... Really Tiresome :)
[20:18] <soc> hi
[20:19] <soc> are there plans to adapt wiki.ubuntu.com to the deisgn of the ubuntu homepage?
[20:26] <AlanBell> soc: log in, go to your user preferences, select the light theme
[20:27] <AlanBell> it adopts the unfortunate 960px fixed width fad which is breaking websites all over the internet
[20:33] <soc> uh, ok, didn't see that :-)
[20:33] <soc> thnaks, looks good now
[20:34] <soc> although it could really use some more space ...
[20:43] <AlanBell> yeah, totally agree, and the code isn't on launchpad :(
[20:51] <soc> btw & wth: why does the website ubuntu.com/download still recommend 32bit?
[20:51] <soc> shouldn't that be the other way around?
[20:54] <AlanBell> there is a bug relating to that
[20:55] <AlanBell> it won't be changed for 10.04
[20:55] <AlanBell> it might be changed for 10.10, we don't know yet
[20:55] <AlanBell> bug 585940
[20:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website-content "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 74) (heat: 367)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940


 You know, being op the whole time is not good
[15:41] <bobweavertv> smartboyhw,  it is coming along good thanks little bit hard because there is no Flow Charts
[15:41] <smartboyhw> bobweavertv: Any basic coding (or intermediate ones) I can help to code?:)
[15:42] <bobweavertv> I would say just bzr 6.2 and start to look at standalone
[15:42] <smartboyhw> OK.
[15:42] <bobweavertv> that is what Ubuntu tv will be in the end (I think )
[15:43] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:43] <popey> smartboyhw, why is that a problem?
[15:44] <smartboyhw> popey: I think the Ubuntu IRC operators guidelines said try not to be op the whole time. Do the operation you want and unop immediately
[15:44] <popey> ah yes
[15:45] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:45] <popey> AlanBell, how do I do that?
[15:51] <smartboyhw> popey: AlanBell is away:)
[15:52] <popey> smartboyhw, i know, and he will see this when he gets back
[15:52] <smartboyhw> Well, just unop yourself first now, at least
[15:53] <bobweavertv> jhodapp,  ping :)
[15:53] <popey> i left myself opped so I wouldn't forget to ask him again
[15:53] <popey> no need to nag
[15:53] <bobweavertv> jhodapp,  you got mail !
[15:54] <bobweavertv> popey,  I sent a email to mark will jim and unit-dev list about what we where talking about in Unity
[15:54] <popey> O_O
[15:54] <popey> ok
[15:54] <bobweavertv> Mark keeps on emailing me telling me welcome to the team and what not
[15:55] <bobweavertv> awesome emails
[15:56] <popey> great stuff
[15:57] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:58] <AlanBell> hullo
[15:58] <smartboyhw> AlanBell: Hello. Help fix popey's op problems:)
[15:58] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: What?
[15:59] <AlanBell> in a sec
[15:59] <bobweavertv> Yeah AlanBell  nice to see live out of you :)
[15:59] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: What telling you welcome to the team and what not? I don't understand, seriously
[15:59] <bobweavertv> s|Yea|hey
[16:00] <bobweavertv> smartboyhw,  nothing imporant
[16:00] <smartboyhw> oh
[16:01] <smartboyhw> bobweavertv and all: Is it possible that Ubuntu TV can be voice controlled?
[16:02] <popey> anything is possible
[16:03] <bobweavertv> my tv is using julius and vox
[16:03] <bobweavertv> but it was annoying '
[16:03] <bobweavertv> so I turned it off
[16:04] <bobweavertv> like when I tell my dog to shut up for barking it would shut down the computer :/
[16:04] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:04] <bobweavertv> because the word "shut"
[16:05] <bobweavertv> there is a good 30 rock ep that is all about that
[16:05] <smartboyhw> :)))))
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Ah, that's better, popey
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Use voice:)
[16:07] <AlanBell> I think on rejoin you won't be voiced either popey
[16:07] <smartboyhw> uh oh
[16:07] <AlanBell> I removed -VO which are autovoice and autoOp
[16:08] <popey> i removed O already
[16:08] <popey> but it said it had made no change
[16:08] <smartboyhw> popey: What?
[16:08] <popey> smartboyhw, don't worry about it
[16:08] <smartboyhw> :) popey
[16:09] <AlanBell> dunno, it worked for me :)
[16:09] <smartboyhw> Really, popey and bobweaver: When is the first meeting for Ubuntu TV? I need to mark down:)
[16:09] <popey> as I keep saying
[16:09] <popey> ask will and jim
[16:09] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[16:10] <bobweavertv> smartboyhw,  we will not know untill the people that work for canonical want to do it
[16:10] <smartboyhw> bobweavertv: Sure, the guys at Canonical are too busy to deal with 12.10:(
[16:11] <popey> thats not the case
[16:11] <smartboyhw> KIDDING LOL
[16:11] <bobweavertv> I think that is what there doing is dealing with 12.10 but I could be wrong
[16:11] <popey> thats exactly what we're doing
[16:13] <smartboyhw> Hmm, let's see when will Ubuntu TV be officially released! (Probably in late 2014)
[16:13] <smartboyhw> I will buy one then:)
[16:13] <bobweavertv> haha I will have it up and running in a week
[16:14] <bobweavertv> once I get some anwesers
[16:14] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:14] <bobweavertv> It is not that hard to code C++
[16:14] <AlanBell> language is rarely the hard part of building something
[16:15] <bobweavertv> what is hard is following what other's are doing and trying not to step ontoes
[16:15] <bobweavertv> or hacking in the manner that other that work do
[16:16] <bobweavertv> once I learn how the framework is suppost to be then it is on
[16:16] <bobweavertv> lol I have been rocken ice with unity-standaloe
[16:16] <bobweavertv> standalone *
[16:18] <bobweavertv> http://imagebin.org/225779
[16:20] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: It is not hard to code C++
[16:23] <smartboyhw> Bye for now, bobweavertv
[16:24] <smartboyhw> Bye all


[00:40] <mp___> hi, porting some stuff from runit. question: runit will let me manage services as a non-root user without using sudo. assume that upstart doesn't?
[00:40] <mp___> also, is there a way in upstart to send an arbitrary signal to a currently running process? eg, I need to send USR2 to unicorn to get it to reload
[00:41] <mp___> (HUP will make it drop connections, which is not what I want. USR2 is closer to a 'graceful' restart')


[04:19] <Ddorda01> anyone have any idea why I still don't have the @ubntu.com address? I got membered weaks ago...
[04:32] <pleia2> Ddorda: how are you testing if the address has gone live?
[04:33] <pleia2> (gmail "eats" emails that come back to you from you, so it's tricky to test from your own gmail account)
[05:27] <Ddorda> pleia2: I've tried sending mail to mysef from another mail address (not in GMAIL)
[05:28] <pleia2> Ddorda: does it get bounced?
[05:30] <Ddorda> pleia2: no. I get a mail that this address does not exists
[05:33] <pleia2> Ddorda: I just sent you an email and it hasn't told me it doesn't exist yet...
[05:34] <pleia2> yay :)
[05:37] <Ddorda> pleia2: thanks a lot :D
[05:37] <pleia2> np
[09:00] <rgnr> hi ppl
[09:00] <rgnr> after upgrading to karmic none of usb can be automointed
[09:14] <jpds> rgnr: → #ubuntu for support.
[19:04] <sergei-56> #ubuntu-meta to report difficult support questions.
[21:27] <ianto> Hello,  can someone please assist me in starting logs for an #ubuntu-* channel,  #ubuntu-cym the Welsh LoCo team?  :)
[21:35] <DJones> ianto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#LogBots There's an email address to request that locobot joins your channel
[21:35] <DJones><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:41] <ianto> DJones: Thanks I'll try that after updating the IRC rules :)