[07:33] <coz_> anyone have links to those ubuntu xplash animations or better yet how to use imagemagick to set the frames?


[01:58] <zeroprog> hey guys i finally was able to compile my module example....but in /var/log/messages it says init suspiciously returned 32 but loading module anyway.....is this bad?
[11:33] <Ng> are things like /proc/sys/vm/{laptop_mode,dirty_writeback_centisecs} supposed to be remembered across suspends?
[12:14] <amitk> Ng: they should be...
[12:14] <Ng> amitk: empirically... not so much
[12:15] <Ng> I set them in sysctl.conf on boot and they're back at roughly default looking values 20 hours later after an unknown number of suspends
[12:15] <Ng> what I need, is a test case :)
[12:15] <amitk> Ng: does laptop-mode.conf have any settings to override it, I wonder
[12:17] <Ng> ooh, good point
[12:20] <Ng> http://pastebin.com/f537ccbeb
[12:20] <Ng> oh I wonder if this is the _ON_AC setting
[12:23] <amitk> probably
[12:24] <amitk> try disconnecting AC and see if your settings are restored, assuming they are made to laptop-mode.conf and _not_ sysctl.conf
[12:30] <lifeless> is there a known bug in karmic where laptops randomly power off?
[12:30] <lifeless> happened to me twice now; power button wasn't held down. machine didn't feel overheated.
[12:40] <amitk> lifeless: never seen in before, worth a bug.
[13:25] <rtg> apw: lemme experiment with the pae kernel a bit.
[13:25] <apw> sure ... in a couple of hours i will have some kernels available for testing (errors permitting)
[13:26] <rtg> apw: why does gem barf on pae?
[13:26] <rtg> is it the extra page table level?
[13:27] <apw> the agp interfaces used to take addresses <4gb only as i understand it
[13:27] <apw> the patches change the API to take page*'s instead fixing the issue
[13:27] <rtg> ah, I guess that makes sense
[13:28] <apw> i think it meant you might try and push things into highmem for graphics objects and the world ended
[13:28] <apw> in bad, corrupting type ways
[13:29] <amitk> one would think that this would be one of the first problems the developers would encounter given that they work for Intel and probably have few machines with < 4Gb of memory
[13:30] <apw> amitk, i am constantly amazed by what is ignored
[13:30] <apw> the issue was a core interface issue, so it got ignored by the graphics people
[13:30] <apw> till dave picked it up it seems
[13:32] <rtg> hmm, its pretty bad when NM can't even get an ethernet DHCP address. I can see the server offerring an address, but the Karmic client is just ignoring it.
[13:36] <apw> ouch, no receieve side?
[13:37] <rtg> apw: works fine if I hard code the address
[13:38] <apw> unable to receive broadcasts perhaps?
[13:39] <rtg> apw: no, it ARP'd OK
[13:40] <apw> hrm
[13:40] <apw> bug in dhcp client perhaps
[13:40] <apw> perhaps slap a tcpdump on the channel before enabling
[13:41] <rtg> apw: I can see the offer in /var/log/syslog
[13:41] <apw> *gurgle*
[13:42] <apw> that has to be a NM/dhcp bug then
[13:42] <apw> as we now know the offer made it to the machine, and into dhcp-client, and we know you can set an address on the interface
[13:47] <rtg> apw: well, pae --> garbage onscreen
[13:47] <apw> rtg hrm, that is unexpected
[13:48] <apw> i would have expected working but compiz disabled
[13:48] <apw> i'll get with bryce and see what testing we can get done on those kernels
[13:51] <rtg> apw: this DHCP issue has to be Karmic related, I booted a Jaunty kernel and still cannot get an ethernet address, though wireless works fine.
[13:51] <apw> yeah be worth seeing if we have merged those support packages recently
[13:52] <apw> rtg, i see luke has just sent up a pull for the ports re-merge
[13:53] <rtg> this ought to be interesting
[13:53] <apw> yeah ... you gonna handle that?
[13:53] <rtg> might as well, everything is fresh in my head
[13:53] <apw> or do you want me to
[13:53] <apw> good enough
[13:53] <rtg> back in a few, coffee run
[13:53] <TheMuso> FWIW this was not something I asked for. I was happy with how it was, but the archive admins are the ones who want this merge.
[13:55] <apw> yeah we were happy too, not sure quite what the beef was exactly
[13:55] <Keybuk> apw: got a new build for me yet? :p
[13:55] <TheMuso> apw: I can fully understand why  you guys wanted it separate.
[13:56] <apw> Keybuk, oh we got fixes there too
[13:56] <apw> ?
[13:56] <Keybuk> apw: yeah Jan sent a patch through earlier
[13:56] <Keybuk> Subject: [PATCH] Don't replace nameidata path when following links
[13:56] <apw> ok just finsihed some kms uploads, so will get that now
[13:56] <Keybuk> (in the thread)
[13:57] <apw> Keybuk, any idea what the limitation on sysfs and proc might mean
[13:58] <Keybuk> yes
[13:58] <Keybuk> if you mount your union over /
[13:58] <Keybuk> then any attempt to write into /proc, /sys, /dev, etc. will go to the union ;)
[13:59] <apw> ahh heh yeah it is a stupid thing to do obviously
[13:59] <apw> it was only a minimal demo of the explosion
[14:03] <soren> Keybuk: What's the solution for that? Special case virtual filesystems or avoid overlaying "submounts" altogether?
[14:03] <soren> Or something entirely different?
[14:04] <Keybuk> soren: you make the union before you mount them
[14:04] <Keybuk> you can mount over top of a union obviously
[14:04] <soren> Keybuk: Oh, right.
[14:04] <Keybuk> ie. make your root filesystem, then mount the union, then mount the virtual filesystems, etc.
[14:04] <Keybuk> I was actually thinking that it might be fun to support this in /etc/fstab :p
[14:04] <soren> Right, right. *headdesk* I wasn't thinking.
[14:05] <Keybuk>   server:/ro/jaunty/usr  /usr  nfs defaults 0 0
[14:05] <Keybuk>   tmpfs                  /usr  tmpfs  union 0 0
[14:05] <Keybuk> then I realised that it just works
[14:05] <apw> nnng
[15:07] <pgraner> apw: ping
[15:08] <apw> pong
[15:08] <pgraner> apw: can you take a peek at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370173  this one is getting a huge number of "me too"
[15:08] <ubot3> Malone bug 370173 in linux "Ubuntu 9.04 laptop overheat and shutdown" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:27] <apw> pgraner, what a crock
[15:29] <pgraner> apw: heh... its another one of those bugs with a billion comments...
[15:29] <rtg> apw: we use crock pots to make stew, and they are hot. is that the issue?
[15:30] <apw> heh perhaps
[15:31] <pgraner> apw: not sure if its better suited for you or smb but we need to track it and see if there what upstream knows
[15:32] <apw> pgraner, indeed .... i'll get a range of kernels and see if i can reproduce it here
[15:34] <smb> We probably have to look and decide
[16:46] <bjf_afk> rtg, question about imx51 build
[16:47] <rtg> bjf: hmm?
[16:48] <bjf> rtg, jiffies.h can find CLOCK_TICK_RATE
[16:48] <bjf> rtg, it's defined in mx51.h
[16:48] <rtg> bjf: s/can/can't/ ?
[16:48] <bjf> rtg, right "can't"
[16:49] <rtg> seems like an arch problem introduced by their patch set
[16:49] <bjf> rtg, early part of build must setup headers so this can be found
[16:49] <bjf> rtg, It's probably one of the merge conflicts that I didn't handle right
[16:49] <rtg> bjf: yep, the prep phase points asm to asm-arm
[16:50] <rtg> bjf: do you have your branch pushed somewhere?
[16:50] <bjf> rtg, looking at include I don't see asm or asm-arm
[16:50] <bjf> rtg, just asm-generic
[16:51] <bjf> rtg, I'll dig into it
[16:51] <rtg> bjf: k, I'll be back in awhile
[18:00] <apw> Keybuk, that unionfs kernel is ready: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/green
[18:01] <Keybuk> thanks
[18:05] <MacSlow> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/198664
[18:05] <MacSlow> Anybody with an idea what "Failed to register hw (error -17)" means?
[18:05] <MacSlow> Thanks in advance
[18:07] <rtg> MacSlow: Jaunty?
[18:13] <MacSlow> rtg, no on Karmic 2.6.30-9-generic
[18:14] <rtg> MacSlow: its a software registration error, so I'm not really sure why its failing.
[18:14] <MacSlow> rtg, firmware issue?
[18:14] <rtg> MacSlow: I have some 3945's. Lemme try 'em out.
[18:14] <MacSlow> rtg, sweet... thanks!
[18:15] <MacSlow> rtg, btw.. just so that you know... I've wifi-based network again thanks to the atk9k PCMCIA-card I've plugged into laptop
[18:16] <MacSlow> rtg, but still getting the internal wifi-card working again would be very slick
[18:16] <rtg> MacSlow: they both use the same registration function, so its interesting that iwl is failing.
[18:16] <rtg> MacSlow: I assume the i3945 worked with Jaunty?
[18:16] <MacSlow> rtg, oh... so it's not a firmware thing then?!
[18:17] <MacSlow> rtg, well the whole thing started failing around the interpid/jaunty time
[18:17] <rtg> MacSlow: I don't think so, but I did recently upgrade the Karmic firmware for that part.
[18:17] <rtg> MacSlow: if its been failing for that long, then you may have HW issues.
[18:17] <MacSlow> that's why I bought the atk9k in Mountain View during second last UDS in California
[18:18] <MacSlow> crap
[18:18] <rtg> some of these wireless cards don't last forever.
[18:18] <MacSlow> rtg, it's not really an old laptpo
[18:19] <MacSlow> only about 2 years old
[18:19] <MacSlow> I regard that still as rather new
[18:19] <rtg> MacSlow: I guarantee that i3945 worked with Intrepid and Jaunty.  Its in one of my primary travel laptops
[18:20] <MacSlow> *sniff*
[18:21] <rtg> MacSlow: I'm updating an Inspiron 1420 with Karmic. It'll be 20 minutes or so. I also know that ogasawara has the same laptop.
[18:21] <MacSlow> I wonder if I can get a replacement one on warrenty still
[18:21] <rtg> MacSlow: can't help you there :)
[18:22] <MacSlow> rtg, ogasawara had her fair bit of entanglements with my laptop at last AllHands regarding the issue
[18:22] <MacSlow> killswitch issues back then
[18:22] <rtg> MacSlow: I'm really thinking you might HW issues
[18:22] <MacSlow> but I was running another kernel during AllHands
[18:22] <rtg> s/might/might have/
[18:23] <rtg> MacSlow: what kind of laptop?
[18:23] <ogasawara> MacSlow: lemme reboot into the latest karmic, but I've not had any issues with my wifi (iwl3945) on my inspiron 1420
[18:23] <MacSlow> rtg, I'll try to get feedback on an exchange card at the local dealer tomorrow or so
[18:23] <MacSlow> brb
[18:28] <invisibill> Greetings deep kernel heads:  I'm an amd64 / nvidia / ubuntustudio user.  I had to upgrade from the relase-rt kernel to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ to work around system crashes.
[18:29] <MacSlow> re
[18:29] <invisibill> side effect is my best sound card "echoaudio mia" doesn't work with this.
[18:30] <invisibill> I want to build the latest kernel from scratch but I'm not sure of the way to go for this.  I see there is an rt in the git repository, but I cant tell if it will work for amd64.
[18:30] <invisibill> any suggestions for the best place to start on this?
[18:31] <invisibill> I've built custom kernels on debian systems a few years back but I'm sure the process is different on ubuntu.
[18:33] <invisibill> This may be asking too much, but can you (anyone that knows what they're doing) put a how-to for building an ubuntu kernel on the kernel wiki?
[18:33] <ogasawara> MacSlow: unfortunately no errors here for me with 2.6.30-9 - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/198684/
[18:34] <rtg> invisibill: start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance
[18:34] <MacSlow> ogasawara, ok I'll try to get a replacement iwl3945 on warrenty then... hopefully
[18:34] <invisibill> there is this blog post here but It looks a bit ad-hoc http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2008/10/28/how-to-compile-a-custom-kernel-for-ubuntu-intrepid/
[18:34] <MacSlow> ogasawara, rtg: thanks sofar to the two of you!
[18:36] <invisibill> ok thanks rtg  I'll have a read up of this.
[18:37] <rtg> MacSlow: works fine for me as well
[18:38] <MacSlow> rtg, yeah.. rub salt into the wound ;)
[18:38] <rtg> MacSlow: just walk around muttering "I'm screwed, I'm screwed" :)
[18:38] <MacSlow> rtg, but you mentioned to see it often such internal wifi-cards die
[18:39] <rtg> MacSlow: mostly I see them die in outdoor environments
[18:39] <MacSlow> that kind of ruins my trust in the overly solid thinkpads
[18:40] <MacSlow> rtg, due to other electromagnetic radiation?
[18:40] <rtg> MacSlow: sometimes, but they also fail due to continuous use.
[18:40] <MacSlow> which is usually shielded by building walls (if one uses the laptop only indoors)?
[18:40] <MacSlow> how stupid is that?
[18:41] <rtg> MacSlow: if this is your primary laptop for the last 2 years, then its had a great deal of use.
[18:41] <MacSlow> almost sounds like built-in failure to keep customers
[18:41] <MacSlow> rtg, but it's a tool... it's meant to be used that thoroughly...
[18:42] <MacSlow> especially thinkpads
[18:42] <rtg> in a perfect world...
[18:42] <MacSlow> gee... my world is collapsing right now :)
[18:43]  * apw shifts to his ethernet connection to save his packets
[18:47] <MacSlow> apw, now you're scared right? :)
[18:47] <apw> heh
[19:03] <Keybuk> apw: I can chroot in!
[19:03] <invisibill> hi again.  I want to checkout the latest rt kerenel to build on my amd64 system:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=abogani/ubuntu-jaunty-rt.git;a=commit;h=b583230610922e5414cb38d09d3104753a77a771  What is the command to do that?
[19:03] <apw> Keybuk, excellent.  so you can do some sensible testing now?
[19:04] <apw> you could reply and let them know when you get a chance
[19:04] <Keybuk> apw: strange issue with symlinks
[19:04] <Keybuk> bash: /usr/bin/vi: File exists
[19:04] <Keybuk> where /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny
[19:04] <apw> hrm very odd.  so any of the other links work?
[19:04] <invisibill> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=abogani/ubuntu-jaunty-rt.git  ??
[19:05] <Keybuk> yes
[19:05] <Keybuk> which is weird
[19:05] <Keybuk> type -f doesn't find it either
[19:05] <Keybuk> seems to be true for most alternatives
[19:05] <Keybuk> other symlinks are ok
[19:06] <apw> invisibill, nope, git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/abogani/ubuntu-jaunty-rt.git
[19:06] <apw> so links to links are unwell perhaps
[19:07] <Keybuk> apw: rename() obviously doesn't work
[19:07] <Keybuk> which breaks lots of things
[19:07] <invisibill> thanks apw
[19:07] <apw> whats it say 'EXFS' or something?
[19:08] <apw> i do wonder why a rename can't trigger a copy up, then simply return ERESTART
[19:08] <Keybuk> weird
[19:08] <Keybuk> stat64("/usr/bin/vi", 0x99999999) = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
[19:08] <apw> erp
[19:11] <Keybuk> damnit, this feels so close :p
[19:14] <Keybuk> mailed Jan + Val
[19:17] <apw> you are clearly testing it far more than they
[19:18] <jjohansen> apw: as I recall it, its returning that its across device, and the libc is suppose to pick that up and fallback to a copy
[19:19] <apw> but one really needs the atomicity of the rename() call
[19:19] <apw> so it seems safer to copy-up and restart the rename().  As i understand things rename() on things in the top layer can work
[19:21] <jjohansen> apw: I haven't looked at the patches enough, but I believe last I looked it was only doing rename in the top layer if both files were in the top layer, other wise it treated it like copy up
[19:21] <jjohansen> s/enough/recently
[19:22] <apw> right, i believe it will rename if the file is already up
[19:22] <jjohansen> I remember this being explicitly mentioned as a problem
[19:22] <jjohansen> that is possible
[19:22] <Keybuk> apw: I'm running apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot
[19:22] <Keybuk> it's a pretty mean and unforgiving test
[19:23] <apw> so i think triggering a copy up, then returning ERESTART should trigger a new rename() from glibc and that should succeed
[19:23] <jjohansen> of course I could be mixing up aufs or unitionfs with union mounts, I spent more time in them
[19:23] <apw> i've suggested it to the authors, they can tell me why it would not work
[19:24] <jjohansen> apw:  is the error EXDEV
[19:24] <apw> i believe so yes
[19:25] <jjohansen> yeah, that is the error for moving files across a device
[19:25] <apw> Keybuk, that is very brave ... i am expecting you to have nothing left :)
[19:25] <Keybuk> which you are, obviously
[19:25] <Keybuk> though in practice, it should be a copy and a whiteout
[19:26] <apw> is your machine still with us?
[19:26]  * Keybuk decides to leave the "kernel panic on umount" bug for later
[19:26] <Keybuk> apw: sure
[20:01] <Keybuk> while, yes, I agree with Jan that POSIX does say that rename() might fail ...
[20:23] <invisibill> Hi again:  can someone tell me what the difference between running 'fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules-rt' and 'fakeroot make-kpkg –initrd –append-to-version=-me1 kernel_image kernel_headers' ?
[23:40] <TheMuso> rtg: Ok I'll hopefully get to revising the ports configs stuff this evening.


[09:02] <tintou> Hi there! I'm getting a "no space left on device" error while trying to import a branch from GitHub: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/549634644/elementary-apps-elementaryos-+git-wallpapers.log
[09:06] <cjwatson> That's a bit exciting
[09:06] <cjwatson> I'll have a look once I've finished with this deployment
[09:06] <tintou> Thank you 🙂
[09:56] <cjwatson> tintou: I've filed a ticket to increase the size of the volume on those VMs, and retried the import to see if it will get lucky (it may depend on what other imports were running on the same unit at the same time)
[10:00] <cjwatson> tintou: Looks like an oversight on my part when we redeployed the importers away from bare metal recently - I forgot to specify a volume size, so they got a default of apparently 30G which turns out to be slightly on the small side for this
[10:00] <tintou> Great to know that you found the cause, thanks for looking at it 🙂
[10:03] <cjwatson> It may still be in trouble though, I see that a number of other runs have failed recently for other reasons
[10:05] <cjwatson> Let's try repacking that repository
[10:13] <cjwatson> Also I wonder if maybe https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XbV897nmpM/ would help
[10:20] <tintou> It might indeed help indentify if there is a connection happening at all because it seems to be back to the issue of the previous imports where it times-out
[10:26] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/lp-codeimport/+git/lp-codeimport/+merge/406075
[10:26] <cjwatson> If it fails again I'll retry once more even without that change though, since the repack finished
[10:27] <cjwatson> tintou: Not just that - emitting progress output would reset the timeout watchdog that's killing the import
[11:03] <tintou> It just failed
[13:20] <cjwatson> tintou: Retrying once more following the repack then.  (Sorry for delay, electrician working here so my power was off)
[13:29] <cjwatson> Disk size on those units has been doubled BTW
[14:15] <tintou> It looks like it will fail in 10 minutes unfortunately 😕
[14:18] <cjwatson> Probably.  I've landed my branch though so I can try deploying that soon
[14:19] <cjwatson> Need to wait for an associated build job to finish
[14:50] <cjwatson> tintou: Deploying that change to production now
[14:50] <cjwatson> And retrying ...
[14:56] <cjwatson> Interesting, I can see other imports showing git progress output but not that one yet
[14:56] <cjwatson> I guess I'll wait a while, maybe git sits and thinks for a while at the server end before saying anything
[16:05] <tintou> cjwatson: thanks, it worked ! 🎉
[16:36] <cjwatson> tintou: So it did!  I'm not actually sure the progress change helped in this case, but I'll take it ...


[15:41] <manjo> smb, I had submitted SRU for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1696143 [SRU][Zesty] qcom_emac is unable to get ip address with at803x phy driver. June 6th. Just putting this in your ear.. could someone from ukt review and consider this patch?
[15:42] <manjo> smb, patch is pretty straightfwd.. and applicable only to QDF2400 platform
[15:42] <leftyfb> hi manjo :)
[15:42] <manjo> leftyfb, hello!
[15:42] <leftyfb> how's power doin? :)
[15:43] <manjo> power is getting there .. going well
[15:43] <leftyfb> that's good
[15:44] <leftyfb> was a bit frustrating leaving behind unfinished business
[15:44] <manjo> leftyfb, yeah I think there are a lot of hands on deck to handle it now
[15:44] <leftyfb> really? that's good. It needed more people
[15:45] <manjo> and my touch
[15:45] <leftyfb> oh of course ;)


[00:00] <white_magic> oh em gee.. it is actually downloading this time around
[00:00] <LBo> But it gives an error while starting that it wants sun java :)
[00:00] <white_magic> still, the packet loss is worrisome
[00:26] <IdleOne> WXZ: welcome
[00:26] <WXZ> hi idleone
[00:26] <WXZ> back to the topic, adding old versions' repositories
[00:26] <WXZ> for the purpose of installing old versions of apps
[00:26] <WXZ> what could go wrong?
[00:26] <bazhang> complete data loss
[00:26] <IdleOne> dependency issues
[00:27] <IdleOne> for starters
[00:27] <IdleOne> complete data loss is a strong possibility also
[00:27] <WXZ> I don't understand how, but I'll trust you
[00:27] <WXZ> so the question is, how do I get old versions of applications if not that way?
[00:28] <mark_> hi all. can someone help me with ubuntu 10.10 grub?
[00:28] <IdleOne> application XY in karmic depends on lib1 but lib1 is now lib3 in maverick. 10 apps depends on lib3 but you have lib1 because you need the older version for appXY
[00:28] <WXZ> that's what I thought IdleOne
[00:29] <IdleOne> causing multiple apps not to work right
[00:29] <WXZ> so lib1 replaces lib3?
[00:29] <IdleOne> well the way apt works is it will always favor the newest version available
[00:29] <WXZ> and thereby, those 10 apps which need lib3 don't have it anymore.. right
[00:29] <IdleOne> yes
[00:30] <WXZ> ok, so ... does lib1 replace lib3 or not, I'm confused
[00:30] <IdleOne> breaking everything
[00:30] <IdleOne> WXZ: it will if you force it to
[00:30] <WXZ> would downloading an app (from an old repository) which depends on lib1 be forcing it to?
[00:30] <IdleOne> after it all breaks down you come back and tell us how much ubuntu is the sux and Ubuntu is crappy....
[00:31] <IdleOne> you will need to also install the old lib so yes
[00:31] <bazhang> WXZ, back up data now
[00:31] <WXZ> bazhang, all my data's always backed up
[00:31] <IdleOne> I would backup like bazhang is saying and then do a fresh install
[00:31] <bazhang> WXZ, then remove all karmic repos, but it may well be too late
[00:31] <WXZ> the only thing I installed was tomboy from the old repo
[00:31] <IdleOne> don't mix the repos!
[00:31] <IdleOne> WXZ: why do you need the older tomboy?
[00:31] <WXZ> even if I installed just ONE package
[00:31] <bazhang> seriously consider a fresh install
[00:32] <WXZ> because this one doesn't like crontab
[00:32] <IdleOne> WXZ: yes one package might have 10 depends and many other apps depend on the same ones
[00:32] <bazhang> WXZ, its maverick. its still in beta.
[00:32] <WXZ> but tomboy specifically, it's got like 1 dependency
[00:32] <IdleOne> if you need a stable release then 10.
[00:32] <IdleOne> 04
[00:32] <IdleOne> 10.04*
[00:33] <bazhang> already iffy enough without adding older repos.
[00:33] <WXZ> I haven't had any problems though idleone
[00:33] <bazhang> WXZ, yet
[00:33] <WXZ> and that version of tomboy, from 10.04.. doesn't work with crontab eitherway
[00:34] <IdleOne> well it is up to you. but it is not supported and when something breaks we can't help because you don't have a supported "default" install
[00:34] <WXZ> after you install tomboy 1.0+, crontab fails
[00:34] <IdleOne> report a bug on that
[00:34] <WXZ> ok, ok... let me check the dependencies on tomboy1.0
[00:34] <WXZ> it's a known bug idleone
[00:34] <WXZ> crontab has problems with x-apps
[00:34] <bazhang> WXZ, go back to lucid then, wait until maverick is released
[00:34] <IdleOne> they are probably working hard on it
[00:35] <IdleOne> or install karmic
[00:35] <IdleOne> if the karmic version works
[00:35] <WXZ> ok, if *nothing* breaks
[00:35] <IdleOne> IF yeah
[00:35] <WXZ> wait, so I'm not allowed to have old versions... of -anything-?
[00:35] <bazhang> not if, when
[00:35] <bazhang> no
[00:35] <WXZ> so how do I get old versions of things?
[00:36] <bazhang> you dont
[00:36] <WXZ> .... that's, pretty bad :|
[00:36] <IdleOne> WXZ: the computer is yours, do what you want with it. we are just telling you that it is not supported for a reason. things ALWAYS break when people mix older apps with newer release and vice versa
[00:37] <WXZ> ok, but *if* (I live in a magical universe) it doesn't break
[00:37] <IdleOne> maybe not right away but sooner or later
[00:37] <bazhang> no it's not bad.  it's a beta. stick with regular repos, and file bugs
[00:37] <WXZ> no, I mean the whole concept of *not being allowed to install older apps*
[00:37] <WXZ> is pretty bad
[00:37] <bazhang> any way its moot.
[00:37] <WXZ> features, and looks, themes are constantly changed w/ new releases of apps
[00:37] <bazhang> its not supported
[00:38] <IdleOne> maybe crontab is broken right now because of a security issue?
[00:38] <WXZ> I don't think it's crontab's fault
[00:38] <IdleOne> I don't know but I know that if it isn't working for me in maverick I report the bug and wait for it to be fixed
[00:38] <WXZ> ok, back to the issue though...
[00:39] <WXZ> so if I don't like the *new* tomboy or the *new* pidgin, I have to change my entire operating system
[00:39] <WXZ> to get it back to the way it was... even if I like everything else?
[00:39] <IdleOne> hard to answer that.
[00:40] <WXZ> well that's what bazhang suggested
[00:40] <IdleOne> but to keep your system in a stable working state, yes
[00:40] <WXZ> "(07:35:53 PM) WXZ: so how do I get old versions of things?
[00:40] <WXZ> (07:36:02 PM) bazhang: you don't"
[00:40] <bazhang> WXZ, correct
[00:40] <WXZ> well can I atleast get newer versions, on older operating systems?
[00:40] <bazhang> WXZ, stick with whatever system you want
[00:40] <IdleOne> same problem arises with the depends
[00:41] <WXZ> that's a very serious drawback
[00:41] <bazhang> WXZ, with backports or proposed, sometimes
[00:41] <bazhang> WXZ, and extras.ubuntu.com with the release of maverick
[00:41] <Alpha_Cluster> how do i make it so i can execute a program that is on a fat32 flash drive?
[00:41] <IdleOne> there is backports, that has a lot of newer apps back ported to older release
[00:41] <WXZ> oh, ok idleone
[00:41] <WXZ> so you can go up... just through backports
[00:42] <WXZ> I *am* gonna keep it this way though, if it *doesn't* blow up... what do I do?
[00:42] <IdleOne> safest bet is to stick with the repos that are meant for the release. if there is backports (which is use at your own risk) then yeah they are normaly safe to use
[00:42] <bazhang> WXZ, then zero support
[00:43] <WXZ> that's cool bazhang
[00:43] <WXZ> but wouldn't that be contradictory to your theory?
[00:43] <era> hey, do you guys find it acceptable that the iwl3945 driver will be non-functional for the 6th release in a row?
[00:44] <IdleOne> WXZ: the packages in backports are built to work on the older release so say tomboy from lucid is backported to karmic. it /should/ work fine
[00:44] <WXZ> I understand idleone
[00:44] <WXZ> where can I make the suggestion that 'there should be a warning message if you're adding old repos"
[00:45] <bazhang> WXZ, its a well known fact
[00:45] <WXZ> because if it can cause as serious problems as you guys are saying, then it shouldn't be so easy for the user to do so
[00:45] <WXZ> I didn't know it bazhang
[00:45] <IdleOne> there is ( or at least I think there is) when you add a unsupported repo
[00:45] <bazhang> WXZ, you should read up on ubuntu , I would suggest the manual
[00:46] <bazhang> WXZ, at any rate brainstorm, if you feel it truly merits it
[00:46] <bazhang> !brainstorm > WXZ
[00:46] <WXZ> ok
[00:46] <bazhang> !manual > WXZ
[00:46] <IdleOne> if you edit the sources.list manually then I don't think you get a warning but it is presumed that if you are editing the sources.list by hand you already know what you are doing.
[00:47] <WXZ> that's true, I did do it manually
[00:47] <IdleOne> :)
[00:47] <WXZ> ok, let me see if it gives me an error message if I do it nonmanually
[00:47] <IdleOne> if it doesn't that would be a good bug to report.
[00:48] <WXZ> nope, it doesn't
[00:48] <IdleOne> bug report time
[00:48] <WXZ> add repositories > other sources > add source "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic main universe restricted multiverse"
[00:48] <WXZ> just told me "new repositories you should reload"
[00:49] <IdleOne> did you reload to see what happens?
[00:49] <WXZ> that's not word for word btw
[00:49] <WXZ> when I reloaded, nothing really happened
[00:49] <WXZ> it just downloaded a couple packages
[00:49] <IdleOne> then I agree that there should be some sort of warning.
[00:49] <IdleOne> it updated the cache
[00:50] <WXZ> maybe not idleone, it might not be showing me the packages from the old repository anyway
[00:50] <WXZ> because I actually had to turn off the maverick repos to see the karmic-tomboy packages
[00:50] <WXZ> otherwise it just wasn't showing me them
[00:51] <WXZ> I'll still add it to brainstorm though
[00:51] <IdleOne> so yeah it favors newest available version
[00:51] <WXZ> ok
[00:57] <Viper550> How the heck is Linux Mint Debian ''faster'' than Ubunt
[00:57] <bazhang> Viper550, its not. and its a derivative so unsupported, and offtopic
[00:57] <Viper550> I say this because
[00:58] <Viper550> If we figure out what they're doing differently, Ubuntu could be made faster.
[00:58] <bazhang> try #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:58] <Viper550> or would -devel be better?
[00:58] <bazhang> not a support or chat channel, so no
[00:59] <Viper550> don't get where you're getting that from, since trying to make the OS faster would be development related
[01:00] <bazhang> more like a wishlist.
[01:00] <bazhang> feel free to put it on brainstorm
[01:01] <WXZ> would it be okay to download packages as long as they don't *downgrade* existing packages
[01:01] <bazhang> WXZ, you fixed the repos?
[01:01] <WXZ> yes bazhang, I did
[01:01] <era> ...
[01:01] <bazhang> WXZ, paste.ubuntu.com with sources.list please
[01:02] <era> people really don't give a **** do they?
[01:02] <WXZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/495609/
[01:02] <bazhang> era, watch the language
[01:03] <era> ubuntu bot. do your work. bug 340418. bug 581936.
[01:03] <bazhang> WXZ, that's not the entire list
[01:03] <WXZ> yes, it is
[01:03] <WXZ> that's the entire file
[01:04] <WXZ> I can screenshot if you want
[01:05] <WXZ> I still have the karmic community-maintained repository for some reason though :\
[01:06] <WXZ> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/495610/ << that's my complete sources.list
[01:08] <bazhang> WXZ, that's odd, as my maverick sources.list is quite a bit more extensive
[01:09] <WXZ> let me see your bazhang
[01:09] <WXZ> I can replace yours with mine, won't bother me
[01:10] <WXZ> would the global category for my idea be usability or security?
[01:13] <WXZ> ok, I'm putting usability I guess
[01:14] <WXZ> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25875/
[01:17] <knoedel_> hi, will texlive 2010 be inluded in ubuntu 10.10?
[01:18] <bazhang> !find texlive
[01:18] <Daekdroom> !info texlive
[01:18] <bazhang> hehe
[01:18] <Daekdroom> Probably not.
[01:18] <Daekdroom> We are past feature freeze, aren't we?
[01:18] <bazhang> extras.ubuntu.com might or proposed
[01:19] <knoedel_> too bad
[01:19] <bazhang> dont know if PPA will still be around for 10.10 with extras now
[01:20] <bazhang> !extras
[01:20] <bazhang> nope
[01:29] <ZekeS> Question: is there anything in Ubuntu 10.10 that would cause my Intel 5300 wireless card (using the autoassigned iwlagn driver) to have pathetic speeds? (transferring files at 5 to 10 mbit/s on an n network whereas with i.e. win7 it was more like 80-90 mbit/s)
[02:14] <the_dark_warrio1> I'm trying to install proprietary drivers for my wireless, but I always get this error: "SystemError: installArchives() failed". Any hints?
[02:39] <ultratek> how do i fix fglrx..says no displays.. i just upgraded to beta this evening?
[02:40] <javatexan> I am having trouble with wine, i installed it, purged it, now when I reinstall.....no shortcuts in main menu....is there a way to get those back?
[02:42] <ultratek> help please anyone?
[02:52] <ultratek> anyone here?
[02:53] <ultratek> okedoke
[03:07] <elijah> I am running Kubuntu 10.10 beta, everything has been working pretty well, last night I downloaded the system updates and installed then went to bed, I just rebooted for first time and now my SSID is not being identified via wireless. Any ideas on how I can get it back? I just wired to my router and downloaded latest updates for tonight but no cigar, last nights updates put a new kernel line in me GRUB too.
[03:08] <elijah> Btw, my Android identifies and connects to my SSID just fine, just me Kubuntu that won't see it nor connect.
[03:08] <elijah> I am also getting a KDE Daemon crash after every reboot since last nights update.
[03:29] <jbicha> Software in the partner repository such as skype & acroread is apparently considered "technical" and hidden by default even if I've enabled the partner repository.
[03:29] <jbicha> would I report that as a bug against software-center ?
[03:32] <nigelb> jbicha: maverick?
[03:35] <jbicha> nigelb: yes
[03:36] <nigelb> I think the partner repo isn't ready yet for maverick.
[03:37] <jbicha> well the repo is active
[04:06] <avi_> Hey all, what's the deal with the new theme? Is there going to be a fix for the loss of window resize corners on most apps? I use the theme PPA on my Lucid, and it's kinda annoying, though I do love the whole theme and get around with by resizing via keystroke.
[04:06] <avi_> Surprsied to see that's its not a lucid thing but rather a theme thing.. just tried the latest daily of maverick and it's there too.
[04:09] <jbicha> avi_: You don't need an icon in the bottom right corner to resize an application window. That is what you mean, right?
[04:09] <avi_> I'm talking about the drag-handle that is currently a series of dots in a triangle that let you click and resize a window
[04:10] <avi_> they are in certain apps, such as nautilus, but not in most others.
[04:10] <avi_> when i say currently i mean the new style that just got added to the Maverick theme.
[04:11] <jbicha> I don't think that has anything to do what theme you're using, I'm noticing the same difference when I switch to Clearlooks for instance
[04:12] <avi_> oh, you're right.
[04:12] <avi_> However, that never used to be..
[04:12] <jbicha> the application designer can add that "grippie" thing if he likes, but it's not needed, you just hover your mouse over the edge of the app until it changes to the "drag-action" thing
[04:12] <avi_> and it only happened after an update to the theme
[04:12] <jbicha> maybe it's a gtk thing
[04:13] <avi_> that's not the reason the grippie thing exists tho
[04:13] <avi_> it's because there's not enough drag surface
[04:13] <avi_> like it becomes tedious to hunt for the right pixels to drag
[04:13] <avi_> i'm not sure what it is exactly,
[04:13] <jbicha> maybe the grippie is only there if the app uses a status bar
[04:13] <avi_> but i know its something to do with a change in Ubuntu, because all of those windows could be resized with handles before
[04:14] <avi_> interesting theory
[04:14] <avi_> let me check
[04:14] <jbicha> turn off the status bar in Nautilus, for instance
[04:15] <avi_> wait how might I do that?
[04:15] <jbicha> uncheck View>Statusbar
[04:15] <avi_> you're correct.
[04:15] <avi_> it is 100% caused by that
[04:16] <avi_> but it didn't *used* to be.
[04:17] <avi_> i sure hope this isn't a permanent thing.. it SERIOUSLY reduces usablity for most people I'd think.
[04:17] <DanaG> avi_: tiny resize area?  yeah, it sucks.
[04:17] <jbicha> I strongly suspect the change (if it was a change) was made by the Gnome or GTK developers and won't be reverted
[04:18] <avi_> DanaG, So I'm not alone
[04:18] <DanaG> On my laptop, 1 pixel is literally 0.1728mm.
[04:18] <avi_> yeah it's a bit crazy
[04:18] <DanaG> That's a damn small drag area.
[04:18] <jbicha> that's impressive that you know that
[04:18] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[04:18] <avi_> if it WAS a gnome/gtk thing, i would def. hope that ubuntu fixes it downstream
[04:18] <jbicha> avi_: you could try older Ubuntu Live CDs to pinpoint when it may have changed
[04:18] <DanaG> 1920x1200, 15.4".  Looks awesome once I get xorg to stop lying about DPI:
[04:18] <DanaG> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[04:19] <avi_> jbicha, It changed because I use a PPA for the maverick themes
[04:21] <avi_> DanaG, So do you know what caused the change?
[04:22] <jbicha> which PPA? because I'm still skeptical that the PPA was at fault
[04:24] <avi_> jbicha,
[04:24] <avi_> ppa:murrine-daily/ppa
[04:24] <avi_> you might be right, but i distinctly remember it coinciding with a theme update
[04:25] <avi_> perhaps its a murrine thing
[04:28] <avi_> it would appear that this is the go-to-bug
[04:28] <avi_>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311
[04:29] <avi_> its assigned to a billion different projects.. including the Lucid paperclips cycle.. but never got fixed.
[04:29] <avi_> filed in 2007.. !
[05:31] <bullgard4_> When I started my Ubuntu Maverick laptop computer this morning, it reported: "s2disk: Snapshotting system." This message later disappeared from the display surface when booting continued. I could not find it in dmesg. What file does store this message?
[05:35] <Arv3n> Can anyone wise in this subject tell me if it's ok if my hard drive device name is located on /dev/sde
[05:35] <Arv3n> or should I reinstall. I just installed but I just wanna make sure no <major> trouble will come because of this.
[05:36] <bullgard4_> Arv3n: You will not get any major trouble.
[05:36] <Arv3n> Excellent, bullgard4_, thanks for the confirmation.
[06:59] <lazyPower> Having an issue with running an update. Its hanging on grub-pc on 10.10 beta x86. ps aux | grep dpkg results its trying to run a perl script that never finishes. it just hangs the update/package install indefinitely.
[06:59] <lazyPower> google hasnt given me anything helpful so-far, if anybody has any ideas i'm open to suggestions.
[09:33] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Hey :) awake?
[09:34] <lapion> I recently  installed meerkat, and to my surprise i915-xserver whise it was much more stable then lucid
[09:34] <lapion> however,  last update fscked up the i915 kms for i8xx chips again
[09:39] <lapion> I tried to see if it was due to kernel problems, but booting into one of the previous kernels did not solve the problem
[10:04] <volodya> does anybody know what's the story with pulseaudio in kubuntu maverick? Release notes say it's default, but I cannot find any evidence. In fact, KDE settings don't have pulseaudio at all
[10:04] <volodya> and phonon settings don't have pulseaudio as possible output device or backend
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i always install ubuntu-desktp and kubuntu-desktop so my systems may be different.  I recall seeing pulse settings in the kde apps.. but that ay be because the pulse audio server is running by default
[10:16] <volodya> oh, it seems pulse is running by default. However, KDE mixer only changes the raw backend devices.
[10:16] <volodya> and there's no way to pick default pulse out device
[10:18] <volodya> aha -- and default output device, as pavucontrol shows, is some "HDMI" thing
[10:22] <volodya> is padevchooser supposed to crash in kubuntu?
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> Yea.. programs are supposed to crash.. :)
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> if they did not crash.. it would not be beta..
[10:36] <BajK> what is the reason vor kubuntu 10.10 being broken for a few days?
[10:41] <volodya> Dr_Willis: well, it's crashing that way since, like, 9.10 ;-)
[10:43] <alvin> Does anyone else sees 5x Personal contacts in the Akonadi resources?
[10:44] <BajK> Kubuntu starts, no plymouth appears but the text splash with the Ubuntu 10.10 text screen, shortly afterwards the KDE splash screen appears and at the moment where the last icon is supposed to appear (that KDE logo) X crashes and starts again and the whole process begins again
[10:44] <BajK> I cannot even switch to another tty because the X server grabs tty7 all the time
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> BajK:   can you ssh in from a remote box? KDM seems to be crashing/restarting..
[10:45] <BajK> Dr_Willis: it's virtualbox
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> BajK:  you could still ssh in :) if you had ssh installed.
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> BajK:  you may want to use the 'text' grub option, or recovery option so it starts with out X starting, and try to trouble shoot why KDM is crashing.
[10:47] <BajK> Dr_Willis: I can start the netrootconsole, but not failsafeX
[10:47] <BajK> well failsafeX starts, but is useless
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> BajK:  what version of ubuntu is this anyway?
[10:48] <BajK> 10.10
[10:48] <BajK> that's why I am in channel ubuntu+1 :D
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. ive not heard of anyone else having similer issues.
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> has it ever worked?
[10:48] <BajK> Dr_Willis: it worked just fine until last week i did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:48] <BajK> yes, just fine
[10:48] <alvin> Not exactly the same here, but X doesn't work with the nouveau driver
[10:48] <BajK> I did restart it. but after updating it the same happened
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> So its possible if you can some how get to a terminall, and update/upgrade again. it Might be a fixed problem
[10:49] <BajK> Dr_Willis: i did this a few times
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> but if you just tried that.. well.. perhaps its time to check the bug reports.
[10:49] <BajK> because it was the first thing I thouhg could solve it
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> get to a command line and disable kdm from starting, and  try to debug whats going on with it.
[10:49] <BajK> So, my fear is, that it is not just related to vbox but does not work on my PC either and I'll break my system with that^^
[10:49] <BajK> Dr_Willis: how?
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> text boot option, or rescue/failsafe opthion at grub gets you to a command line...
[10:50] <BajK> so, i am at the rootshell now
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> you are on the system, i would install the ssh server for starters. :) that will make it easier to ssh in and try to 'fix' things.
[10:51] <BajK> openssh-server?
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> to disable kdm, you look in /etc/init/ there should be a kdm.conf file, rename it to kdm.DONTSTART
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> I think just 'ssh' pulls it in
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> !info openssh-server
[10:52] <BajK> ok ssh is installed now
[10:52] <BajK> and kdm disabled
[10:52] <BajK> ok I am at the console now
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> you Could go hardcore and set up the text option in /etc/default/grub that would pervent plymouth from startng also.. but thats a litle overkill
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> so console works,  login, try 'startx' see if KDE works..
[10:54] <BajK> 17: /usr/bin/X (blabla) Segmentation fault at address (nil) - Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault) Server aborting
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> thats nasty...
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> whats your video card anyway?
[10:55] <BajK> nVidia Geforce 250GTS
[10:55] <BajK> but I did not install guest extensions because they wouldn't on 10.10
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> Oh yea.. virtualbox.. Hmm.. I dident try vbox and the guest addons here yet...
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> see if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf   if you do - perhaps rename it. and try to startx again.
[10:56] <BajK> but it already worked... weird
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> Im just thinking of 'common' fix's for X crashing.
[10:56] <BajK> no theres none, i already checked that
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> id say tme to hit the forums then.
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> whats the Host os anyway?
[10:58] <BajK> Kubuntu 10.04
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> If theres a known issue.. i bet there would be some forum posts. lots of people are testing 10.10 in vbox.
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> Other then that. im out of ideas
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> I wonder why the guest addations dont work..
[11:13] <dooglus> I just tried updating to 10.10 from 10.04
[11:13] <dooglus> towards the end, it froze
[11:14] <dooglus> 'ps' tells me it was trying to run 'start smbd'.  running 'sudo stop smbd' in another terminal unfroze it
[11:14] <dooglus> should I report this somewhere?
[11:19] <Ian_corne> s
[11:19] <Ian_corne> dooglus: kill the smb process
[11:19] <Ian_corne> the script it's trying to run
[11:19] <Ian_corne> It'll continue then
[11:19] <dooglus> Ian_corne: I ran 'sudo stop smbd' and that fixed the problem
[11:20] <dooglus> Ian_corne: but this could be a problem for others too, right?
[11:23] <Ian_corne> yes
[11:23] <dooglus> so is this a bug in samba?  or in the upgrade process?
[11:45] <aboSamoor> what is the shortcut to reach the new search box in unity ?
[11:47] <iShawnW> Okay so upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 has rendered SMB dead purged it and reinstalled still no luck, any other suggestions
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> iShawnW:  i had issues with samba last night. but it installed properly this morning.
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> I had to kill the package manger/dpkg/somthing when it hung during the isntall of samba.
[11:54] <iShawnW> I would try that but my box apeeas to have lost net... but yet still sharing its mouse....
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> sounds like there may be deeper issues going on.
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> a few were in here earlier mentioning a kernel regression.. but i dont recall what it was affecting
[11:55] <iShawnW> that and I have a dropdown that hasn't disapeared for a while now even clicking on other windows
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> a menu? :) from what?
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> ive see the me menu - behave.. oddly befor
[11:56] <iShawnW> like the system menu dropdown
[11:56] <iShawnW> Its rebooting right now
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> Not seen that issue
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> seems a few dozen updates just got out.. i upgrade  8 hrs ago.. theres more now.
[11:59] <iShawnW> cute... Still can't download the updates, conneced to irc on same network and sharing the mouse and keyboard on synergy.
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> thats weird.
[12:01] <iShawnW> found it
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> can you ping the apt servers?
[12:01] <iShawnW> Google Chrome was the issue, its dl link was bad
[12:01] <iShawnW> unselected it and no more issues
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> This is why i tend to use the command line tools.. it would of kept on going I think..
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> was this in the 'Software center' ?
[12:02] <iShawnW> normally I do but I am sitting at my desk and the desktop keyboard is closer
[12:03] <iShawnW> oh cute. need to reboot again, I see a new kernel
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> Yep. update... reboot.. oh wait  an other update..
[12:06] <iShawnW> beats updating xp or mac I have rebooted them like 5 times in a row
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> see that a lot woth XP...
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> update/ reboot.. oh wait.. it auto loaded linux.. :) i get busy in linux.. 5 hrs later i reboot to xp.... it then continues the updates
[12:07] <iShawnW> WinBlows by Micro$oft
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> Seems theres been some 'updates' to windows lately that power off the machines ive noticed. or else they are supposed to reboot.. but they dont.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> wife's pc seems to go off at least once a week.
[12:08] <iShawnW> this new laptop is my first time back on windows in like a year.
[12:08] <iShawnW> otherwise I don't update windows in my vm unless I need to
[12:09] <iShawnW> but I am nice and giving Winblows a chance to redeem themself with win7
[12:10] <iShawnW> I still die and open up cmd and type linux commands
[12:13] <iShawnW> dang this Athlon is slow, two days with a quad core and I am already spoiled
[12:16] <iShawnW> Dr_Willis: /facepalm create a share with smb and nataulis crashes
[12:16] <iShawnW> this sucks
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Trying that...
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> seems like nautilus did hang on the add the permissions.. stuff
[12:18] <iShawnW> hrm, System --> Preferences --> Personal File Sharing, It says I don't have the requied packages
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> i forget the package names somthing with samba in them. :)
[12:39] <iShawnW> okay so sharing dies when I say allow guest
[12:39] <iShawnW> oops
[12:39] <iShawnW> nautalis
[12:41] <iShawnW> screw this I am done
[12:41] <iShawnW> I am going to bed
[13:25] <jf> Any known problem with nvidia ion?
[13:26] <jf> Thinking about upgrading but want to be sure I still can play my 1080p in xbmc :)
[13:52] <aboSamoor> Hi, can you tell me what is the shortcut to call the search box in unity ? how can I get the right click drop menu for a file in unity? By the way it looks gorgeous
[14:17] <HaDAk> is this where i can pose questions about the recent updates to KDE in the kubuntu 10.10 alpha/beta?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: fire away
[14:19] <shadeslayer> but idk if i will timeout midway.. there seems to be some sort of issue in my connection -.-
[14:19] <HaDAk> after updating the network manager plasma widget, i haven't been able to connect to any wireless networks. the widget no longer shows networks in range, and wicd-curses won't let me connect either. sudo iwlist scan does show the available networks, though.
[14:20] <shadeslayer> ok lemme check
[14:20] <shadeslayer> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[14:20] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: you have ^ that version right?
[14:21] <HaDAk> where can i find the version of the one installed?
[14:21] <marcoceppi>  I'm having a hard time finding the defaults.conf file for GDM in 10.10 - has it been (re)moved?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: open konsole > apt-cache policy plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[14:22] <HaDAk> my version is 0.9~svn1176084-0ubuntu1
[14:22] <HRH_H_Crab> hi, im running maverick and i have an m-audio audiophile. after rebooting following an update i seem to have lost sound, ive looked at alsamixer and gui controls and cant seem to find anything muted, can anyone assist?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: seems to be upto date
[14:23]  * HaDAk nods
[14:23] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: can you remove the widget and start it using plasmoidviewer? that will give us debugging info
[14:23] <shadeslayer> seems lex79 did a new upload of the plasmoid 44 hours ago
[14:24] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: i haven't used plasmoidviewer before. there's no associated man page. do i pass plasma-widget-networkmanagement as an argument?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> and you can use plasmoidviewer as : open konsole > plasmoidviewer  plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[14:25] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: ^ yes
[14:25] <HaDAk> it says the object could not be  created because it could not find the requested component.
[14:25] <shadeslayer> hmm one sec
[14:26] <HaDAk> running it as root gives the same error
[14:26] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: nooo
[14:26] <shadeslayer> not as root
[14:26] <HaDAk> i tried as user first
[14:26] <shadeslayer> and seems you are right about the issue
[14:26] <HaDAk> :)
[14:27] <shadeslayer> this is bad... we have to fix this immediately
[14:27]  * HaDAk agrees
[14:27] <shadeslayer> it doesnt show the ethernet connections as well
[14:27] <shadeslayer> lemme investigate some more
[14:27] <HaDAk> ethernet works if you plug it in.
[14:28] <shadeslayer> yes, but i have custom connections, doesnt show them
[14:28] <HaDAk> also, i don't know *what* i did last night, but it ended up showing my wireless networks for a little while. let me connect to one, even.
[14:28] <HaDAk> ah. i don't have any custom ones.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i have 0.9~svn1167391-0ubuntu1
[14:31] <HaDAk> oh, good. the segfault i submitted a bug for has been resolved.
[14:31] <HaDAk> unless it's related to the wireless widget
[14:32] <HaDAk> and i'm still trying to figure out how it connected to a network without the widget running.
[14:34] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: run : nm-tool and see the output
[14:35] <shadeslayer> does it show the networks?
[14:35] <HaDAk> yes
[14:35] <HaDAk> wait
[14:35] <HaDAk> it shows the network i'm connected to via wifi, and the associated APs
[14:35] <HaDAk> and it shows the wired interface.
[14:35] <HaDAk> is that what you're asking?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: does it show the wireless networs around you>
[14:36] <HaDAk> no, just the one i'm connected to.
[14:38] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: ok im looking into this
[14:39] <HaDAk> thanks.
[14:40] <HaDAk> i'd also like to note, that if i right click the system tray, and go to settings... in order to add network management back to it, i need to unlock the widgets, but the unlock widgets button doesn't do anything.
[14:41] <HaDAk> i have to manually unlock widgets *and* panel for it to work.
[14:44] <shadeslayer> no idea on that one.. maybe thats the way its supposed to work?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=NetworkManagement&setlang=fy
[14:44] <HaDAk> http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=NetworkManagement&setlang=fy
[14:44] <HaDAk> ack
[14:44] <HaDAk> damn putty
[14:45] <shadeslayer> :>
[14:45] <HaDAk> ok. what am i looking at?
[14:45] <HaDAk> or, what would you LIKE me to look at?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: thats the procedure to get debug output and troubleshoot your problem
[14:46] <shadeslayer> please open a bug on bugs.kde.org
[14:46] <shadeslayer> im compiling the nm from svn to see whats the issue
[14:48] <HaDAk> i take it that worked well for him. :P
[14:52] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: its fixed in svn... i think we need to fix our packages now :>
[14:52] <HaDAk> :)
[14:52] <HaDAk> i wonder what the issue was
[14:56] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: heres a diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/495902/
[14:56] <shadeslayer> theres no major diff in the code
[14:57] <shadeslayer> weird....
[14:57] <HaDAk> it looks like mostly translations
[14:57] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:57] <HaDAk> how can i test that package?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> theres no package for this right now :)
[14:58] <shadeslayer> i have a seprate install of kde svn
[14:58] <HaDAk> figures
[14:58] <HaDAk> huh.
[14:58] <HaDAk> i wonder what other goodies are hidden in svn :P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[14:58] <HaDAk> i was *really* happy when i updated to the 10.10 alpha and found the netbook interface.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: dont worry.. kde nightly packages coming soonish :)
[14:59] <HaDAk> i promptly removed gnome, and i've been using it (happily) ever since
[15:01] <HRH_H_Crab> noone about who knows much about audio?
[15:01] <HaDAk> i know more than i want to :|
[15:02] <HRH_H_Crab> ive just tried to fix things by removing and reinstalling various alsa / pulseaudio components and now ive even lost my volume control icon.
[15:02] <HRH_H_Crab> still no sound though
[15:02] <HaDAk> gnome?
[15:02] <HRH_H_Crab> nothing obviously muted in alsamixer
[15:02] <HRH_H_Crab> yeah on maverick
[15:02] <HaDAk> so, the volume icon is controlled via pulseaudio
[15:02] <HaDAk> try sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio start
[15:03] <HaDAk> or maybe it's pulse-audio
[15:03] <HaDAk> just pulse<tab> should work
[15:05] <HRH_H_Crab> HaDAk: its running:
[15:05] <HRH_H_Crab> crab@taipo:~$ ps aux | grep pulse
[15:05] <HRH_H_Crab> crab      2186  9.8  0.2 225540  5252 ?        S<sl 15:00   0:31 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[15:05] <HRH_H_Crab> crab      2189  0.0  0.2 117612  3940 ?        Sl   15:00   0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[15:05] <HRH_H_Crab> crab      2715  0.0  0.0   8964   844 pts/1    S+   15:05   0:00 grep --color=auto pulse
[15:05] <HRH_H_Crab> just not showing the icon
[15:06] <HRH_H_Crab> tbh im waaaaay more stressed about the lack of sound than lack of icon.
[15:06] <bazhang> pastebin please
[15:06] <HRH_H_Crab> bazhang: sorry
[15:06] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: erm.. weird.. im getting the networks after a reboot
[15:06] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: with the repo version?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: yes
[15:06] <shadeslayer> im on my stable install now
[15:07] <HaDAk> i got that yesterday, for a quick minute.
[15:07] <HaDAk> it worked while i was in class. when i shut down and went back home, it was broken again
[15:07] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: i just killed the wifi and started again
[15:07] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: i sorta did the same thing, too. i tried to bring the interface up, manually set the network, and connect... it wouldn't connect though. couldn't get dhcp.
[15:08] <HaDAk> i may have done it wrong though.
[15:09] <HaDAk> i did some iwconfig wlan0 ap <mac address> && iwconfig wlan0 essid <ap name> && dhclient wlan0
[15:09] <HaDAk> which i thought should have worked.
[15:09]  * BUGabundo pokes cwillu
[15:10] <HaDAk> HRH_H_Crab: pulse is running, but alsamixer doesn't show anything muted or the sound turned down?
[15:14] <HaDAk> HRH_H_Crab: what is the output of aplay -l?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: id say do a reboot, and see what happens..
[15:14]  * Gnea is downloading 10.10 in an attempt to boot it off of a USB drive to try to make a new system work
[15:14] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: i've been doing reboots for the past couple of days. :P
[15:14] <anon33_> i'm having trouble installing dockbarx - i've added the ppa to my system but it says it can't find the package. i'm on 10.10
[15:14] <shadeslayer> and it still doesnt work?
[15:14] <Gnea> since 10.04 absolutely refuses to work correctly
[15:15] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: nope.
[15:15] <HaDAk> anon33_: does dockbarx have a 10.10 repo? they might only have one for 10.04
[15:15] <HRH_H_Crab> HaDAk: aplay -l shows information about my soundcard
[15:16] <HRH_H_Crab> hang on, ill pastebin it
[15:16] <anon33_> HaDAk: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/mono-icon-themes-for-dockbarx/ seems to suggest otherwise, but the written methods don't work
[15:16] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: pastebin output of nm-tool please,
[15:16] <HaDAk> HRH_H_Crab: step though this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[15:17] <HRH_H_Crab> HaDAk: done it
[15:17] <HRH_H_Crab> ;)
[15:17] <HRH_H_Crab> did that prior to joining irc
[15:18] <HaDAk> anon33_: they don't say anything about 10.10 support on their homepage. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=101604
[15:18] <HRH_H_Crab> HaDAk: http://pastebin.com/KMEN45h7
[15:19] <anon33_> HaDAk: bummer :(
[15:19] <HaDAk> HRH_H_Crab: try stepping through this one: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Speaker-test
[15:19] <HaDAk> anon33_: since 10.10 isn't technically released yet, you've gotta cut these devs a break. ;)
[15:20] <HaDAk> anon33_: if you can get a .deb, you can manually install that.
[15:20] <turtle_> has anyone eles had any issues with wireless networks in the beta
[15:20] <HaDAk> turtle_: we've been discussing that bug all morning
[15:20] <turtle_> ook, its been driving me nuts
[15:20] <HaDAk> you and me both.
[15:21] <HaDAk> your network manager plasmoid doesn't show wireless networks, right?
[15:21] <turtle_> it shows the networks, asks me for the password, but then just doesn't connect
[15:21] <HaDAk> ah. that's what happens when i try using wicd-curses :|
[15:22] <turtle_> it worked perfectly yesterday
[15:22] <HaDAk> and if i try manually entering the information with iwconfig, it won't pull dhcp
[15:22] <HaDAk> yeah, two days ago for me. it was a set of updates in the middle of the night that broke it.
[15:22] <turtle_> and then decided to die after i got a 24 hour freeleach =/
[15:22] <turtle_> thats what i figured did mine as wlel
[15:23] <HaDAk> probably.
[15:23] <turtle_> worked for about 15 mins after the update, then nothing
[15:23] <HaDAk> glad to know it's not me. ^^
[15:23] <turtle_> also with the boot loader doesn't seem to like booting my xp install
[15:23] <anon33_> HaDAk: could you explain the .deb process?
[15:24] <HaDAk> anon33_: once you have a deb, just sudo dpkg -i <package>
[15:24] <anon33_> HaDAk: how do i go about acquiring the deb?
[15:24] <HaDAk> turtle_: now that i can't help with. grub2 is a bit weird. i'm still getting used to it.
[15:24] <HaDAk> anon33_: that's for you to figure out ^^
[15:26] <HRH_H_Crab> HaDAk: the commands all work fine (i.e. they dont bug out) but i don't get any sound.
[15:26] <HRH_H_Crab> its as if its muted, but i cant figure out where.
[15:26] <HaDAk> HRH_H_Crab: are your speakers plugged in and turned on? >.>
[15:26] <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
[15:26] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: btw you can revert to the earlier package if you want to
[15:26] <HRH_H_Crab> i checked the amp / speakers via my cd player
[15:26] <HaDAk> hate to ask, but i've seen people plug em in to the microphone port and complain about no sound
[15:26] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: how? :O
[15:26] <HRH_H_Crab> i guess i should boot a live cd and confirm the soundcard hasnt died.
[15:27] <HaDAk> HRH_H_Crab: yeah, try with something stable.
[15:27] <HRH_H_Crab> gah
[15:27] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-networkmanagement=0.9~svn1167391-0ubuntu1
[15:27] <HRH_H_Crab> really not looking forward to a reinstal
[15:29] <HaDAk> hang on, cleaning out my old kernels... praying i don't delete the one i'm using :P
[15:29] <HaDAk> got a bit scared when it said i'll free up 421mb
[15:30] <HRH_H_Crab> thats going to be my next step if the live cd confirms a working soundcard - edit grub menu and try older kernels... ;/
[15:30] <HRH_H_Crab> i dont hold a lot of hope for that being the problem but im fast running out of ideas
[15:30] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: will running that replace my existing plasmoid? or do i need to remove the one i have installed first?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: install old package > re add plasmoid
[15:31] <HaDAk> how about install, reboot ^^
[15:31] <HaDAk> lets me test and make sure i have my kernel, too
[15:31] <shadeslayer> works that way too
[15:31] <HaDAk> grub thinks i do :P
[15:31] <shadeslayer> grub is usually right in these matters :P
[15:32] <anon33_> i'm trying to install google chromium (dev channel) and i get the following error when using the software center
[15:32] <HaDAk> no idea why grub2 wants to scan like 5 times though.
[15:32] <anon33_> Breaks existing package 'google-chrome-unstable' that conflict: 'google-chrome'. But the '/tmp/google-chrome-unstable_current_i386.deb' provides it via: 'google-chrome'
[15:32] <anon33_> i have chromium installed, but it's not at the latest version (and sudo apt-get update does not work)
[15:32] <HaDAk> anon33_: sudo dpkg --get-selections |grep chrom
[15:32] <HaDAk> what does that return?
[15:33] <anon33_> i just accidentally cleared my screen - do you mind typing that again?
[15:33] <HaDAk> anon33_: sudo dpkg --get-selections |grep chrom
[15:34] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: version not found
[15:34] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:34] <HaDAk> :|
[15:34] <turtle_> would the previous most stable ubuntu be 9.10 (karmic) ?
[15:35] <HaDAk> 10.04
[15:35] <anon33_> all of the following with a line that says "install": chromium-browser, chromium-browser-inspector, chromium-codecs-ffmpeg, google-chrome-unstable, xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[15:35] <HaDAk> anon33_: try removing chromium-browser and google-chrome-unstable, then installing your package
[15:35] <gnomefreak> google-chrome-unstable,????
[15:35] <anon33_> HaDAk: sudo apt-get uninstall?
[15:36] <HaDAk> sudo dpkg purge <package>
[15:36] <anon33_> HaDAk: or sudo dpkg -r ?
[15:36] <anon33_> ooh, purge :-O
[15:36] <gnomefreak> most likely the goole-chrome is messing it up, this is assuming you got that right from goole since we dont have it in repos
[15:37] <anon33_> depends on chromium-browser-inspect and chromium-browser--ffmpeg so it didn't remove
[15:37] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: is there a way for apt-get to list the available versions in the repo?
[15:37] <anon33_> unstable got removed
[15:38] <HaDAk> anon33_: purge those packages too.
[15:38] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: apt-cache policy foo
[15:38] <shadeslayer> where foo is the package
[15:38] <anon33_> HaDAk: and now to reinstall google-chrome-unstable do i have to install chromium-browser?
[15:38] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: i'm going to have to familiarize myself with the policy switch. didn't know about it before today.
[15:39] <HaDAk> anon33_: you're  purging all copies of chrome you have installed, so you can either install your .deb, or add the repo and apt-get install it
[15:39] <shadeslayer> i think apt-get install foo=version should install the package
[15:39] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: the version table includes the latest, and that's it.
[15:40] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: try removing the package and using foo=version
[15:40] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: apt-get only reports the one version
[15:40] <shadeslayer> yes, but the servers have all the versions
[15:40] <HaDAk> hrm.
[15:40] <HaDAk> why doesn't it show it?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> because its dumb :p
[15:41] <gnomefreak> we dont support the package so it is very likely you will have issues again if you install it
[15:42] <gnomefreak> daily chromium works fine here
[15:42] <gnomefreak> chromium-browser (7.0.529.0~svn20100918r59893-0ubuntu1~ucd1)
[15:44] <anon33_> so i did a "sudo dpkg -i /tmp/google-chromium-unstable....deb" (that i downloaded from http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel) and i don't know where it installed the executable..
[15:44] <HaDAk> anon33_: likely /usr/bin...but try which <exe>
[15:44] <HaDAk> so, maybe, which chrome or which chromium
[15:44] <anon33_> i mean, google-chrome is installed but i don't believe it's the right version i'm looking for
[15:45] <HaDAk> try google-chrome -v ?
[15:45] <anon33_> HaDAk: nothing
[15:45] <anon33_> i mean it launched
[15:45] <anon33_> going into About gives me 7.0.517.8 dev as a version number
[15:45] <HaDAk> well, there ya go
[15:46] <anon33_> HaDAk: is that the latest or was that there before i purged?
[15:46] <HaDAk> anon33_: not completely sure. you can try purging it and reinstalling.
[15:47] <HaDAk> just be sure
[15:47] <anon33_> HaDAk: that sounds fun :P anyways - thanks for your help
[15:47] <HaDAk> no problem.
[15:49] <turtle_> bah this is furstrating
[15:49] <gnomefreak> i gave you the latest version from the daily PPA
[15:49] <turtle_> i get an ESSID, 100% signal, but still she wont connect :/
[15:50] <HaDAk> turtle_: what method are you using to connect?
[15:50] <turtle_> just via the network mananger
[15:51] <HaDAk> try a lower level method of connecting.
[15:51] <turtle_> i havent used any flavour of linux before so haven't tried any other way, been thru alot of the help docs and they all seem to say that everythings fine
[15:52] <HaDAk> turtle_: try this.. as root:
[15:52] <HaDAk> (assuming you're using wlan0...)
[15:52] <HaDAk> ifconfig wlan0 up
[15:52] <turtle_> yeh wlan0
[15:52] <HaDAk> iwconfig wlan0 ap <your access point's mac address>
[15:53] <HaDAk> iwconfig wlan0 essid <your ap name> channel <the channel>
[15:53] <HaDAk> now, this won't work if you're using WPA/2
[15:53] <HaDAk> if you're using WEP, you can do iwconfig wlan0 key s:<passphrase>
[15:53] <HaDAk> and then dhclient wlan0
[15:53] <HaDAk> if you're using WPA/2...
[15:54] <HaDAk> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c <config file>
[15:54] <HaDAk> so you'd have to make a wpa_supplicant config file
[15:54] <HaDAk> but for testing purposes, i suggest turning off your security for a moment
[15:54] <anon33_> is know this isn't specific to maverick but...is there an easy way to cp and chown?
[15:55] <HaDAk> anon33_: yes, with the cp and chown commands.
[15:55] <anon33_> HaDAk: time to learn zsh scripting :(
[15:55] <HaDAk> anon33_: i don't know zsh. ^^
[15:55] <HaDAk> bash ftw.
[15:56] <anon33_> HaDAk: yeah, okay
[15:56] <HaDAk> anon33_: ^^
[15:56] <HaDAk> ok, so bash isn't the greatest...but it's like a warm blanket...always there when you need it.
[15:58] <anon33_> so's zsh
[15:58] <HaDAk> :P
[16:00] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: so, when is pulseaudio going to be fixed? microphone input *doesn't* work on a default install. hasn't since like 9.04 or something.
[16:02] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: dunno... ask #ubuntu-devel :P
[16:02] <HaDAk> :P
[16:02] <gnomefreak> if you dont file a bug than it maybe or may not be known to the devs
[16:02] <HaDAk> lol, how could it *not* be known? it's people's biggest bitch about pulse.
[16:02] <shadeslayer> gtg...
[16:02] <HaDAk> go ahead and google "pulseaudio is broken" :P
[16:03] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: thanks for your help this morning
[16:03] <shadeslayer> HaDAk: #kubuntu-devel in case nm plasmoid doesnt work
[16:03] <HaDAk> shadeslayer: thanks
[16:11] <anon33_> man, i'd really like to use dockbarx with maverick :(
[16:12] <Nepherius> how do i find where firefox is installed and yes i know I suck at linux
[16:12] <HaDAk> Nepherius: i don't care if you suck at linux or not ^^
[16:13] <HaDAk> Nepherius: are you looking for the binary file?
[16:14] <Nepherius> sry wrong channel and ..uhm the folder with it I`m actually looking for the dl folder from firefox
[16:14] <HaDAk> so, the folder where firefox downloads files to?
[16:14] <Nepherius> yes
[16:14] <HaDAk> it is generally ~/Downloads, i believe.
[16:14] <Nepherius> i wish
[16:14] <turtle_> haDAk, all i get is 'sciocsfflags: permission denied' when trying ifconfig wlan0 up
[16:15] <Nepherius> its somewhere else
[16:15] <HaDAk> turtle_: run it as root
[16:15] <turtle_> Nepherius: if you look in edit->Preferences you can see where it downloads to
[16:15] <HaDAk> Nepherius: your download window in firefox should have a little button that shows you the default download location
[16:15] <turtle_> HaDAk: sudo?
[16:15] <HaDAk> turtle_: yes
[16:15] <turtle_> still says the same thing
[16:16] <HaDAk> Nepherius: sorry, i'm thinking a different browser, or something. under preferences, general
[16:16] <HaDAk> Nepherius: you will see a downloads section
[16:16] <Nepherius> tks
[16:16] <HaDAk> np
[16:16] <HaDAk> turtle_: wlan0 might not be your interface. pastebin the output of ifconfig
[16:17] <turtle_> also tried turning off the wireless encrpytion, still no joy
[16:17] <turtle_> nah its definitely wlan0
[16:17] <HaDAk> humor me. :)
[16:18] <turtle_> i get eth0 l0 and wlan0
[16:18] <HaDAk> ok.
[16:18] <HaDAk> what about iwconfig?
[16:19] <turtle_> l0 - no wireless , eth0 - no wireless, wlan0 - all my wireless info
[16:20] <HaDAk> does wlan0 show the ap and ssid?
[16:21] <turtle_> if i seti t trying to connect in the network manager yeah
[16:21] <HaDAk> what about if you set it with iwconfig?
[16:21] <turtle_> 2 secs
[16:35] <turtle_> HaDAk: when trying iwconfig wlan0 ap .. i get 'wlan0 does not support ip address'
[16:41] <HaDAk> turtle_: what line did you input? (sorry, sitting in class)
[16:41] <turtle_> iwconfig wlan0 ap routers mac add
[16:42] <HaDAk> and when you put that in, it complains about the ip address?
[16:42] <HaDAk> what mac address are you passing?
[16:43] <turtle_> 00-22-6b-f6-87-43
[16:43] <HaDAk> use : instead of -
[16:43] <aguitel> i install ubuntu and then kubuntu but when i try to uninstall kubuntu kdm is there
[16:44] <aguitel> i am in maverik
[16:45] <HaDAk> aguitel: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[16:45] <aguitel> HaDAk, yes i do it but residual kdm remains
[16:46] <aguitel> HaDAk, i try to follow this guide but is not for maverick:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[16:48] <HaDAk> aguitel: are oyu using kdm as your display manager?
[16:48] <aguitel> HaDAk, no
[16:48] <HaDAk> have you tried purging kdm?
[16:49] <aguitel> HaDAk, yes and there is error
[16:49] <HaDAk> what is the error?
[16:49] <aguitel> wait i pasebin for you
[16:50] <aguitel> HaDAk, http://pastebin.com/Nr3LAknW
[16:51] <HaDAk> hmm. dunno.
[17:47] <jf> Is there no way to enable multitouch on touchpad without taking a dive in to conf-files?
[17:54] <gnomefreak>   815 root      20   0  119m  21m 3004 R 88.2  8.9   8:58.37 Xorg
[17:54] <gnomefreak> thats never good
[17:54] <BUGabundo> 3g of swap?
[17:55] <gnomefreak> i would hope not i only have 256mb
[17:55] <BUGabundo> AHAH
[17:55] <txt-file> I want to test marvick but I have now tried 5 different daily images and the kubuntu beta. I use the "startup device creator" from ubuntu 10.04.1 to write the iso to a usb-pen but everytime I boot from usb I get "SYSLINUX ... <br> Unknown keyword in configuration <br> boot: _" (<br> represents a line break)
[17:55] <BUGabundo>  1047 259678     38       1806K 169.1M 39528K 169.1M 39528K   1% Xorg
[17:55] <BUGabundo> I barrely see xorg in my screen, its so low
[17:58] <elijah> If I am running Maverick beta, when stable comes out, do I just apply the updates or do I need to do something else to stay at stable? Do I need to uncheck pre-release etc?
[17:58] <gnomefreak> elijah: apt-get upgrade
[17:58] <gnomefreak> no need to reinstall just update as normal
[17:58] <elijah> gnomefreak: So that will actually flag it to go to stable?
[17:59] <elijah> I am a bit new so I am trying to grasp this
[17:59] <gnomefreak> elijah: what do you mean. yuo are just updateing as you would get any other updates
[17:59] <gnomefreak> elijah: i suggest using Lucid if you are new
[18:00] <elijah> gnomefreak: I am sort of using Lucid, I am trying out Ubuntu  10.04 stable, Kubuntu 10.04 stable and Kubuntu 10.10 beta
[18:01] <gnomefreak> so you do know how to update as normal?
[18:01] <elijah> gnomefreak: I had Kubuntu Maverick working awesome and then I updated and wifi stopped working, but I was hoping that if I can get it working again then I would just not apply updates until Maverick stable hits.
[18:01] <elijah> I just use p;ackage manager and go to system updates
[18:02] <elijah> I don't do apt-get upgrade, is that the same command package manager runs?
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !final | elijah
[18:02] <gnomefreak> elijah: if you dont want to update than tell update-manager to stop running and dont do updates. wifi is have issues from what others were talking about earlier
[18:03] <gnomefreak> elijah: update-manager apt-get aptitude ect... all use apt
[18:04] <elijah> thanks guys
[18:11] <htrejh> hi
[18:12] <htrejh> i tried kubuntu maverick beta & daily build of yesterday
[18:12] <htrejh> and after the kernel has been loaded, the x server displays black and white blocks
[18:12] <htrejh> i think the OS works, only there's a graphical glitch
[18:12] <htrejh> is this a known problem,
[18:12] <htrejh> ?
[18:13] <txt-file1> I want to test marvick but I have now tried 5 different daily images and the kubuntu beta. I use the "startup device creator" from ubuntu 10.04.1 to write the iso to a usb-pen but everytime I boot from usb I get "SYSLINUX ... <br> Unknown keyword in configuration <br> boot: _" (<br> represents a line break)
[18:13] <penguin42> txt-file1: That's a common problem
[18:14] <penguin42> txt-file1: Is your 10.04.1 up to date? There was a fixed usb disk creator
[18:14] <txt-file1> no .. I just burned the cd and have no updates installed
[18:15] <penguin42> ok, let me just find the bug
[18:16] <penguin42> bug 608382
[18:16] <penguin42> txt-file1: So there is an updated usb key creator in lucid-updates, or if you look at comment number 5 on that bug there is a simple edit you can do to the syslinux.cfg on the created image
[18:17] <txt-file1> thank you
[18:17] <txt-file1> I will try the second method
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> I recall having to edit the syslinux.cfg also.. but i know enough syslinux-foo to  see the issue.. :) heh..
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> perhaps some day the usb-key creatopr will use grub2
[18:53] <magicianlord> Are you ready for maverick
[18:53] <Azelphur> Is maverick ready for you?
[18:54] <penguin42> it's already got me
[18:54] <BUGabundo> pff
[18:54] <BUGabundo> where's 11.04?
[18:54] <BUGabundo> MM is old already
[18:54] <BUGabundo> too stable
[18:54] <penguin42> yeh, boring
[18:55] <BUGabundo> no really
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I haven't got A serious bug :\
[18:55] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh a lot of the bugs I reported have got fixed
[18:56] <magicianlord> at least with 10.10, it isn't playing catchup for the time being to rolling-release type distros
[18:56] <magicianlord> i like dat
[18:56] <BUGabundo> it isn't it?
[18:56] <BUGabundo> we even have btrfs
[18:56] <BUGabundo> and a top notch kernel
[18:57] <magicianlord> is btrfs gud?
[18:57] <elijah> Is the WiFi fixed in Meerkat yet?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> elijah: never stop working for me
[18:57] <BUGabundo> since day one
[18:58] <elijah> BUGabundo: 2 nights ago I upgraded and it killed it. Someone earlier said others have been reporting issues as well.
[18:58] <elijah> by upgrading I mean from Meerkat Beta 1 night prior
[18:58] <BUGabundo> I do upgrades two times a day
[18:58] <BUGabundo> regular reboots
[18:59] <BUGabundo> no prob here
[18:59] <elijah> BUGabundo: Good for you, we obvisouly don't have the same hardware installed then :)
[19:00] <BUGabundo> intel
[19:01] <magicianlord> elijah: what wifi
[19:03] <elijah> magicianlord: 2 nights ago I did all system updates, now it will not recognize my SSID
[19:07] <elijah> magicianlord: I installed 10.04 to a new partition for now
[19:11] <magicianlord> elijah: What
[19:30] <magicianlord> Who's got halo reach
[19:38] <A71KR117> Hi guys. Should I upgrade to the Maverick beta? I really want the new features.
[19:40] <charlie-tca> A71KR117: Can you fix things if they break?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Can you live with a broken system? It is not supposed to break again, but, it is beta...
[19:41] <A71KR117> charlie-tca, I was thinking more of a fresh install.
[19:41] <charlie-tca> It is still beta, and perfectly capable of breaking.
[19:41] <magicianlord> She is so pretty.
[19:42] <A71KR117> I guess I could live with a broken system, depending on the broken-ness. Any major bugs out there?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> aye! and it is not broken bad for me, but the bugs are still being worked, too.
[19:42] <A71KR117> Okay, maybe later Ill reinstall.
[19:42] <charlie-tca> wireless fails for some
[19:43] <charlie-tca> and once in a while, X gives up for some
[19:43] <A71KR117> Thats okay, im using LAN
[19:43] <magicianlord> Ubuntu is always in flux.
[19:43] <A71KR117> X gives up? Maybe ill wait for the RC?
[19:43] <magicianlord> So, you should expect things to be broken and not fixed for 6 months.
[19:44] <A71KR117> do you thing FGRLX will be available when the RC comes out?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Well, not very often. I think you have to be lucky now to have X quit
[19:44] <charlie-tca> I haven't been following it. I have all nvidia cards
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Usually by the time we see the RC, everything is working
[19:47] <magicianlord> later
[19:51] <A71KR117> Thanks for your advice everyone. I'll wait for the RC.
[19:56] <litropy> Hi, peeps - is there a command out there that usually frees up the cursor? Sometimes upon bootup, I have keys, but no touchpad.
[19:56] <litropy> Furthermore, Unity seems to like to crash randomly. What log should I start with?
[19:57] <Muscovy> In Unity, how can I turn off the automatic login?
[19:57] <penguin42> litropy: Well you can do ubuntu-bug unity   to report the unity one
[19:58] <litropy> Muscovy: gksu gdm-setup
[20:00] <penguin42> litropy: For the touchpad one, I'd probably report it against xserver-xorg-input-synaptics  preferably with a copy of dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when it isn't working
[20:01] <Muscovy> litropy: I was looking for a way to require a password for my user, actually. I'm getting annoyed with manually opening keyrings.
[20:06] <litropy> oh, wow. I just held down the windows key for the first time since unity. thaaaat's nice :)
[20:07] <litropy> Muscovy: Yea, I have that problem, too. I'm thinking about just deleting my keyring and canceling the keyring prompt when I enter network keys.
[20:08] <litropy> but I like your idea better.
[20:08] <Muscovy> I'm slightly worried about weird Ubuntu One issues if I use it while offline.
[20:11] <litropy> Boy, this freezing issue is getting bad. Is it only Unity when the whole screen freezes, nothing responds to input, and just the cursor moves? I don't believe so. Any ideas peeps? I did the bug report.
[20:11] <penguin42> litropy: Does ctrl-alt-f1 get you a text screen?
[20:12] <htrejh> hi
[20:12] <litropy> I'll try it during next freeze, penguin42. What do I enter to get back into the UI after I confirm?
[20:12] <htrejh> when booting maverick i see this: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=169876&d=1284834611
[20:12] <penguin42> hi
[20:13] <htrejh> what can bethe cayse?
[20:13] <Muscovy> litropy: I haven't seen that freeze in desktop edition at all. It was happening up until a few days ago when I launched OpenOffice.
[20:14] <litropy> Muscovy: penguin42: This happens literally every ... I'd say 45 seconds.
[20:14] <penguin42> htrejh: Interesting
[20:14] <penguin42> htrejh: What is your graphics card?
[20:15] <htrejh> penguin42: A nvidia GTS 360M
[20:15] <htrejh> (working perfectly on lucid)
[20:15] <penguin42> htrejh: Do you just see that during boot, or does it finally get to X?
[20:15] <htrejh> only when x is started
[20:16] <htrejh> well when X starts i see it
[20:16] <htrejh> but switching to a console still displays that glitch
[20:16] <penguin42> htrejh: ok, do you use the nvidia proprietary driver?
[20:16] <Muscovy> litropy: I think I read a post at omgubuntu about that. Did you try installing older unity/graphics drivers?
[20:19] <htrejh> penguin42: on my lucid insall yes
[20:19] <htrejh> but with the default driver (nv probably) it worked on lucid
[20:20] <penguin42> htrejh: Was that problem you showed from a live cd or from an upgraded lucid?
[20:21] <htrejh> penguin42: from a live cd of kubuntu maverick beta (and daily builds...)
[20:22] <penguin42> htrejh: OK, well that needs reporting, my guess is that it might be happier with the proprietary driver, but I would have hoped a live CD would have either worked or failed in a nicer way
[20:22] <htrejh> penguin42: well can the driver (nouveau) be disabled?
[20:22] <htrejh> or maybe an alternate install would work? but i doubt as after install when booting i won't be able to switch
[20:23] <penguin42> htrejh: Not sure, I run ATI not Nvidia, you could try nomodeset
[20:23] <htrejh> what is that?
[20:24] <penguin42> htrejh: That's adding nomodeset to the kernel command line, and the alternate CD has a better chance
[20:24] <htrejh> ok thx i'll try
[20:28] <litropy> Whew! Well, it's good to know how to get back to graphics mode from the text console now!
[20:28] <penguin42> litropy: Oops sorry, forgot to say that :-)
[20:29] <litropy> Muscovy: Nope, I have the stock drivers for my Intel n280
[20:29] <penguin42> litropy: OK, so you are getting pauses not complete hangs?
[20:30] <litropy>  penguin42 I can go to text console while frozen. It seems it's the graphics ui itself with the trouble. I can even get back to graphics mode, and it's still frozen. After waiting ~10 secs, I'm back.
[20:31] <penguin42> litropy: Hmm curious; anything odd in dmesg?
[20:31] <litropy> To clarify, ~45 secs of good ui use, then I hang for ~10, can go to txt mode during this time (no hang in going back and forth).
[20:35] <litropy> Skipping EDID probe due to cached edid
[20:36] <litropy> hmm
[20:36] <penguin42> I get a few of those, but no problems
[20:36] <litropy> this is supposedly fixed
[20:36] <litropy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/531590
[20:36] <litropy> I don't flicker
[20:36] <penguin42> litropy: Sounds otherwise like a different bug, I mean slow is not 10 second hangs
[20:37] <litropy> yeah ...
[20:39] <litropy> penguin42: The numbers on the left of dmesg are seconds?
[20:40] <penguin42> yeh
[20:44] <litropy> sorry penguin42 - got disconnected. The numbers on the left of dmesg are seconds?
[20:44] <penguin42> yeh
[20:48] <litropy> penguin42: Yeah ... since bootup, that's the only messsage I get, and it's like every 2 mins. This precedes it: [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[20:49] <litropy> but  it seems to have stopped since I began looking at dmesg.
[20:49] <litropy> so that's weird
[20:49] <litropy> it's like schroedinger's box.
[20:49] <penguin42> litropy: Hmm, this <---- machine gets the skipping EDID but not the invalid framebuffer iD
[20:50] <penguin42> litropy: I have seen it do hangs for a while, but it's pretty rare - but this <--- machine only gets used really for IRC/terminal/etc not heavy compute
[20:50] <litropy> oh hey! Unity just crashed, and I have new dmesg output :D
[20:50] <litropy> [ 3645.712475] show_signal_msg: 24 callbacks suppressed
[20:50] <litropy> [ 3645.712489] mutter[8301]: segfault at 1712 ip 06c88dae sp bfb30af0 error 4 in libsoundmenu.so[6c7e000+d000]
[20:51] <litropy> That's the first time mutter has come up since bootup
[20:52] <litropy> !mutter
[20:54] <penguin42> have seen a few people complaining of mutter segfaulting
[20:56] <lapion> hello, as of last weeks updates every time my system is rebooted the root filesystem is checked, and the xserver doesnt do kms any more
[20:56] <penguin42> lapion: If it's getting checked each time I'm guessing that it's not shutting down properly - either that or the time/date is VERY confused
[20:58] <lapion> yes not going down nicely..
[20:58] <lapion> turned off way to fast
[20:59] <magicianlord> There is an issue with X.
[21:00] <magicianlord> And it requires a simple solution.
[21:00] <penguin42> lapion: OK, so what graphics card isn't doing KMS?
[21:04] <litropy> magicianlord: were you commenting on my issue?
[21:04] <lapion> i855
[21:05] <penguin42> lapion: Yeh, it was blacklisted from KMS because it was getting random crashes
[21:05] <lapion> penguin42, i855 and it was finally working the way it was supposed too.. that is sionge the upgrade from lucid it had not hanged one time
[21:05] <lapion> sionge=since
[21:05] <litropy> now reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[21:05] <penguin42> lapion: Actually!
[21:05] <lapion> I removed it from the blacklist and forced it
[21:06] <penguin42> lapion: So, it was blacklisted, they've just unblacklisted it
[21:06] <lapion> since it got unblacklisted my system is booting in fbdev
[21:06] <penguin42> lapion: Which kernel version are you currently running?
[21:07] <lapion> wich is strange because they are mutually exclusive
[21:08] <magicianlord> What is your problem exactly?
[21:08] <lapion> I have tried vmlinuz-2.6.35-19-generic all the way to vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic
[21:09] <penguin42> lapion: So 22 says it's unblacklisted them but provides a way to blacklist
[21:09] <lapion> xorg only starting in vesa/fbdev
[21:09] <penguin42> lapion: OK, so from 22 what does your xorg.conf look like and do you have an xorg.conf?
[21:10] <lapion> penguin42, well strangely enough since installation of 22 it is not working for any of previous kernels
[21:10] <lapion> no xorg.conf
[21:10] <lapion> so I think it's the mechanism for blacklisting it is at fault
[21:11] <magicianlord> Where is it blacklisted?
[21:11] <lapion> it is not supposed to anymore
[21:13] <magicianlord> What issue is it
[21:14] <lapion> or maybe I have to remove the modules options .
[21:15] <magicianlord> Kindle vs iPod 4g
[21:15] <penguin42> lapion: What module options did you add?
[21:17] <lapion> /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf with as contents: options i915 modeset=1
[21:18] <lapion> removed the module options, and am now rebuilding initramfs
[21:18] <penguin42> yeh I'd put it back to as normal installation
[21:19] <litropy> Welp, just have to wait until I freeze again, then I believe I'll get a batchbuffer dump
[21:20] <lapion> to no avail
[21:22] <lapion> and still doesn't shutdown correctly
[21:23] <penguin42> lapion: What happens during shutdown?
[21:26] <g0bl1n> in Maverick 10.10, Netbook edition, how can one change the left icons menu ?
[21:29] <lapion> penguin42, well it doesn't unmount the fs cleanly
[21:30] <lapion> upon shutting down the system remounts the root filesystem with commits=0
[21:38] <lapion> I am going to do a reinstall..
[21:38] <lapion> nvm first going to try in a Virtual box to recreate
[21:57] <lapion> penguin42, any ideas ?
[21:58] <penguin42> lapion: Afraid not
[22:04] <Malkavian_> there is a bug in Kubuntu Maverick (kde) affecting at least intel graphic cards: compositioning doesn't work or is disabled at start up; bugs were filled for this issue, for example here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/630632
[22:05] <Malkavian_> does somebody knows if it will be fixed for the release version?
[22:06] <yofel> Malkavian_: the bug was filed by one of the kubuntu developers, best ask him (ScottK) in #kubuntu-devel if you want to know more
[22:07] <Malkavian_> k, thanks
[22:07] <yofel> kubuntu on intel here has gotten a lot better though with the newest mesa updates
[22:07] <litropy> peeps, the volume on my netbook is very low, even with it maxxed out via pavucontrol
[22:08] <Malkavian_> yofel: I know about mesa updates, but you cannot expect people to mess with messa when installing Maverick
[22:08] <duffydack> could use pulseaudio-equalizer and up the amp.
[22:08] <yofel> Malkavian_: I mean the mesa updates in maverick, I don't use a ppa for that
[22:08] <bullgard4> At startup my  Maverick Beta computer writes after  1,8 s : "Magic number: 10:86:987". What does this number refer to?
[22:09] <yofel> it was pretty unusable a while ago..
[22:09] <Malkavian_> yofel: I just updated my system and the issue is still there
[22:10] <yofel> I did get compositing off by default on my 945GME yesterday, it worked fine after enabling though and it was enabled when I booted today, can't really tell more
[22:12] <Malkavian_> yofel: does present windows work for you?
[22:12] <Malkavian_> I mean pointing the mouse on the upper left corner of the screen
[22:12] <yofel> sec
[22:13] <yofel> (I first need to enable that again)
[22:13] <Malkavian_> have you tried using digikam? with compositioning enabled, it is unusable slow
[22:15] <yofel> great, present windows freezes kwin until you disable compositing :(
[22:15] <yofel> haven't tried digikam
[22:19] <Malkavian_> do the the taskbar thumbnails work? I see only a blank window, then the desktop freezes
[22:22] <yofel> taskbar thumbs work fine here
[22:24] <Malkavian_> :-(
[22:26] <lazyPower> having a fun issue with dpkg hanging on updating grub-pc hooks. Its some funky perl script.. google has been less than savvy on helping me track down the issue. Ubuntu 10.10 32bit
[22:32] <Jay-> hello
[22:32] <Jay-> after upgrading to 10.10 my wireless card stopped being able to connect to my home network (worked previously in 10.04) according to lspci i have a RaLink RT2860
[22:34] <yofel> works fine here (kubuntu rt2860 wpa2 g) kernel -22
[22:34] <guntbert> Jay-: you might want to tune your attitude a bit if you want help
[22:35] <Jay-> i'd rather get i dunno or nothing then someone saying that they aren't going to help
[22:35] <yofel> guntbert: ?
[22:36] <guntbert> yofel: regarding his comments in #ubuntu
[22:36] <yofel> ah, I'm not in there
[22:36] <yofel> nvm then
[22:37] <Jay-> basically i asked a question and they told me to go away
[22:37] <Jay-> anyway... i could use some suggestions on my wireless predicament if anyone has any
[22:37] <yofel> Jay-: well, maverick support is in here, and #ubuntu is pretty busy, makes some people fell edgy a bit :/
[22:37] <yofel> *feel
[22:38] <yofel> Jay-: /var/log/syslog should have some information about the connection attempt
[22:40] <Jay-> wpa_supplicant[1132]: Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
[22:41] <yofel> ok, I don't know too much about wireless, but that mac looks wrong o.O
[22:41] <Jay-> yeah
[22:45] <Jay-> from what i can see it might be a kernal issue
[22:46] <yofel> Jay-: what does uname -r give you?
[22:46] <Jay-> 2.6.35-22-generic
[22:47] <yofel> hm, that kernel works fine here though, what encryption settings?
[22:47]  * penguin42 hasn't tried upgrading his machine with an rt to maverick yet
[22:48] <Jay-> i think it's just wpa2
[22:48]  * yofel scratches head
[22:50] <yofel> hm, does 'iwlist <interfacename> scanning' list the network with the correct mac?
[22:51] <yofel> replace interfacename with the name of your interface (wlan0 usually)
[22:52] <Jay-> yeah seems to be ok the reason i was saying it might be the kernals is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/594866
[22:52] <bjsnider> yofel, is there a module called mac80211 running on your system right now?
[22:53] <yofel> mac80211              231541  3 rt2x00usb,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
[22:54] <bjsnider> it's a usb device?
[22:55] <yofel> no, internal card (eeePC 1000H), maybe it's connected over usb with the mainboard?
[22:56] <yofel> lsusb doesn't list it thouggh
[22:57] <yofel> Jay-: what do you get for that btw.?
[22:58] <lapion> penguin42, going to try to reinstall the last updates..
[22:58] <Jay-> with what? mac80211?
[22:58] <yofel> yes
[22:59] <bjsnider> yofel, if there's a bug about your wifi chipset being broken in maverick, why is yours working?
[22:59] <Jay-> i don't think i have that
[23:00] <yofel> well, even if you ask me, I have working wireless here, and lspci tells me 'Network controller: RaLink RT2860'
[23:00] <Jay-> 03:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2860
[23:01] <Jay-> maybe it's because i'm running 64bit?
[23:01] <yofel> 01:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2860 in case the pci number matters
[23:01] <yofel> could be, I only have x86 as choice here
[23:07] <Ologn> The ralink/rt drivers are odd in Maverick...they worked in Lucid Lynx, then broke a little
[23:08] <Ologn> rt2860sta and rt2800pci often conflict... people blacklist rt2800pci, then it works
[23:10] <Jay-> ok how do i blacklist?
[23:11] <bjsnider> yofel, are you using a new version of the driver from the backports-wireless metapackage?
[23:11] <Ologn> Well first do an lsmod and see if both modules are running...which they should not be (in their current state)
[23:11] <bjsnider> newer version i should say
[23:12] <Ologn> If they are, then in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf append the line "blacklist rt2800pci".  When you reboot it should not load.  However, you don't have to reboot to do everything...
[23:13] <yofel> hm, backports-wireless -22-generic isn't installed and rt2860sta shows as: 'version:        <IP_ADDRESS>'
[23:14] <Ologn> You can use modprobe to load and unload the modules...there are some forum posts etc. on this...I have an RAlink wireless so I have the problem...
[23:15] <yofel> well, I have both modules loaded here and it *works*, maybe it's because I had to mess with the network configuration as network-manager didn't work right without kded4 running here
[23:15] <yofel> (crashed thanks to some bluedevil bug)
[23:18] <yofel> it did work fine with network-manager and -20-generic before I got the kde crash
[23:20] <Jay-> i have both rt2x00lib, and rt2800pci
[23:22] <yofel> $ lsmod | grep rt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/496120/
[23:24] <Jay-> i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/496121/
[23:25] <Jay-> pretty much the same
[23:26] <bjsnider> does it just not see any network or what?
[23:27] <Jay-> it sees the network but will not connect
[23:27] <bjsnider> does it connect if you drop the security?
[23:28] <Jay-> haven't tried that yet as i have other people in the house using it
[23:28] <bjsnider> are you typing in the wrong passkey?
[23:28] <Jay-> no, i don't get an authentication failed or anything
[23:29] <bjsnider> maybe the router's dhcp server is flaky?
[23:29] <bjsnider> tried power-cycling the router?
[23:29] <Jay-> never had a problem before 10.10, my macbook pro and an xp and a vista box and other network devices work fine
[23:30] <bjsnider> does hte router do any logging? can you check the log if there is one?
[23:31] <Jay-> i'll check
[23:33] <Jay-> don't see anything
[23:33] <Jay-> don't think it's actually communicating with the router
[23:50] <aboSamoor> what is the shortcut to invoke the search box in unity ?


[20:14] <lunatiq>  https://kopy.io/iY6Vf I get this error but the directories exist
[20:14] <lunatiq> I was able to install other sites no problem
[20:14] <lunatiq> the same way
[20:15] <lunatiq> now it works