[00:59] <Bosi> Hello everyone. I have a netbook with an ATOM N450 1.6ghz on it. I only have 2Gb of RAM in it though. Would you install Xubuntu 32 or 64 bit?  Why?
[01:01] <genii> Bosi: I have an Acer Aspire D260 with same chip, I put 64 bit on without problems.
[01:03] <Bosi> genii, Yeah, I asked a few people they have mixed opinions about it.  All I can say is that it works well under 64bit and i have no issues.
[01:05] <Bosi> any other opinions?
[01:30] <wllrt> I'm running xubuntu 14.04 on a thinkpad A30 and looking to not use the ctrl-key as to avoid Emacs pinky. Some suggest using the Caps Lock, others the space bar. Any emacs users here, I'd definitely appreciate orienting me in the right direction.
[01:30] <ObrienDave> Emacs pinky
[01:30] <ObrienDave> ?.
[01:31] <ObrienDave> LOL fat fingers ;P
[01:32] <wllrt> ObrienDave: To avoid repititive stress injury, since the ctrl+key makes you (at least in this keyboard) stretch your pinky.
[01:32] <wllrt> My left pinky is the strongest, and I feel it straining.
[01:39] <wllrt> So far, this looks promising: http://emacsredux.com/blog/2013/11/12/a-crazy-productivity-boost-remap-return-to-control/
[07:13] <meek_geek> how r u
[08:12] <vdandre> Hi. Anybody successfully running a Lenovo t440p (intel/nvidia) with a docking station? Read about so many problems regarding uefi, mainboard, dockfirmware ...
[09:17] <BBLLCC> hi, I have an epson stylus dx4850 printer and from https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-Stylus_DX4800 I have downloaded the needed drivers. I canot print, I keep getting this message: there is a missing print filter for printer Stylus-DX4800. What am I missing?
[16:01] <pjotter> Hello Everybody. In order for me to upgrade to the latest LTS release, I first have to upgrade my graphics card. Right now I am using an onboard ATI Radeon HD 3200. What would be a good brand/model for me to look for? I'm not really into gaming and don't need a very expansive card. Just one that works well with Xubuntu.
[16:03] <brainwash> pjotter: how do you know that your current one won't work well with xubuntu 14.04?
[16:03] <pjotter> I've tried. It has something to do with the new kernel. The model I use isn't supported any more.
[16:04] <pjotter> There are no proprietary drivers available for the new kernel.
[16:04] <brainwash> right, it's not supported by the restricted graphics driver anymore, but the open source driver has been improved a lot and is now in good shape
[16:04] <pjotter> Ok
[16:05] <brainwash> so, I recommend that you get the 14.04 iso and boot into live mode to test it
[16:05] <brainwash> the open source driver is loaded automatically
[16:06] <pjotter> Up until now, I have always noticed a big difference between using the standard driver and the proprietary driver. The latter being much much faster and supporting all kinds of functionality.
[16:07] <brainwash> it's still true, kinda, but the difference is small nowadays
[16:08] <brainwash> even proper power management is supported now
[16:08] <pjotter> Does the standard driver have settings I can change? Wait for vertical refresh and that kind of thing?
[16:09] <brainwash> that's possible, but not via a GUI I think
[16:09] <pjotter> ok
[16:10] <pjotter> But there would be no major problems if I just went out and bought one of the latest ATI graphics cards and use that one instead of the onboard card?
[16:13] <brainwash> latest graphics cards are known to cause trouble
[16:13] <pjotter> ok :)
[16:13] <brainwash> you could buy one which is a bit older and has good reviews
[16:14] <pjotter> Any particular brand/model I should avoid?
[16:17] <brainwash> hard to tell
[16:19] <brainwash> you can check http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=category&item=Graphics%20Cards
[16:20] <pjotter> Thanks! I'll have a look
[16:28] <pumkash> Question.  How do I add Kali tools to Xubuntu distro?
[16:36] <xubuntu494> How do I derermine whether I am running a 32 bit or 64 bit version of xubuntu
[16:40] <elfy> arch
[16:43] <xubuntu494> Does i686 mean 64 bit?
[16:43] <elfy> x86_64 is 64 bit - i686 is 32bit
[16:44] <xubuntu494> Thank you
[17:00] <palasso> Hi there. Is Synaptic installed by default on Xubuntu 14.04?
[17:00] <ObrienDave> no
[17:00] <palasso> kthnx
[18:03] <ShinuSha_> hey there to all users
[18:07] <ShinuSha_> I would need help with xubuntu 14.04. Tried solving the problem for 2 days now without any solution. Its a problem with downloading packages, selecting another mirror,... Could someone help me? Best way would be a private chat or something else.
[18:09] <ObrienDave> ok, selecting another mirror is easy
[18:10] <ShinuSha_> The problem is that it doesnt show any other and bz clicking select best it throws an error too
[18:10] <ShinuSha_> *by
[18:10] <zeracca> mirrors are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:11] <ShinuSha_> tried playing around with them too.   Is it allowed to post the full error?
[18:12] <ObrienDave> if it's one line, yes. more than one, please use pastebin
[18:13] <ShinuSha_> how do i use that?
[18:14] <ObrienDave> do you have pastebinit installed?
[18:14] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[18:15] <ObrienDave> or copy and paste the error to pastebin.com and submit the link here
[18:17] <ShinuSha_> ok, ill get it in one line either so -> by selecting other in ubuntu software center it displays an empty window and by clicking select best it displays No suitable download server was found, Please check your internet connection
[18:18] <ObrienDave> so, it's saying that you have no access to any mirrors?
[18:19] <ShinuSha_> correct. The internet connection works im writing right now from it
[18:21] <ObrienDave> yes, that's a new one on me. please try asking in main channel. #ubuntu
[18:23] <ShinuSha_> ok thanks for your help anyway. Do zou know how i install play on linux? Error-> http://pastebin.com/r5rAt0jJ
[18:24] <ObrienDave> just through the normal PPA
[18:25] <ShinuSha_> could you explain it step by step? Im really sad that nothing had worked for me so far.
[18:25] <voidwalkr> was anyone successful in running ms office 2010 through wine without problems or glitches? is there a mac office that you can run directly maybe from linux?
[18:26] <ObrienDave> ShinuSha_, http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/playonlinux
[18:26] <ObrienDave> voidwalkr, why do that?, install LibreOffice
[18:27] <voidwalkr> i can't work on that it's very ugly
[18:27] <voidwalkr> it's monstrous
[18:28] <ObrienDave> it works
[18:28] <voidwalkr> i don't care, its a creative inspiration killer
[18:28] <voidwalkr> i need to be inspired when i write
[18:28] <voidwalkr> need eye candy
[18:28] <ObrienDave> ok fine
[18:29] <voidwalkr> was anyone ever able to get office 2010 working properly on linux or no?
[18:29] <voidwalkr> from the videos i see on youtube, it's very glitchy
[18:29] <voidwalkr> it's horrible
[18:30] <voidwalkr> i love linux, but i ain't switching permanently until there is good office suite for it
[18:30] <ShinuSha_> i tried it ObrienDave Result -> http://pastebin.com/itUS8KhS
[18:30] <voidwalkr> i wonder if PearOS supports mac office
[18:32] <ObrienDave> ShinuSha_, run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[18:33] <ShinuSha_> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:33] <ObrienDave> ok, sec
[18:34] <ObrienDave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[18:35] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update
[18:35] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install wine1.7
[18:36] <ShinuSha_> same output -> Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[18:37] <ObrienDave> sounds like your sources.list file is corrupted. sec
[18:37] <ObrienDave> look here http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php
[18:38] <ObrienDave> i do not know how to overwrite the file
[18:41] <ObrienDave> biab
[18:41] <ShinuSha_> per terminal
[18:44] <ShinuSha_> sources.list should be ok now. i will try it again
[18:45] <ObrienDave> ok
[18:48] <ShinuSha_> no it stays the same (but finally it is searching for it on DE mirrors by default)
[18:52] <zeracca> have you tried purging the ppa?
[18:54] <ShinuSha_> how do i do that? Im programmer but im relative new to linux
[18:55] <zeracca> by googling it says sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:whatever/ppa
[18:59] <Pici> !ppapurge
[18:59] <ShinuSha_> It adds it but it doesnt change anything        could the errors occur cause of an arm based cpu?
[19:01] <Pici> at least in trusty, wine is only available for amd64 and i386.
[19:02] <zeracca> ^
[19:02] <ObrienDave> dang, never thought to ask what cpu :/
[19:02] <zeracca> how could you know anyway :)
[19:03] <ShinuSha_> so i cannot download it though?
[19:05] <zeracca> To be honest, I don't know, but it seems like it doesnt work for you
[19:06] <ShinuSha_>  but iwanted to plaz wot with it x(
[19:07] <ShinuSha_> bye
[22:31] <yoLo_> notebook doesn't come out of sleep mode
[22:31] <yoLo_> can anybody fix this /
[22:31] <yoLo_> ?
[22:32] <Travis> I am having the same issue.
[22:33] <Travis> 12.04 never did this.
[22:34] <yoLo_> this is driving me crazy..
[22:34] <yoLo_> at certain times it works, most of the time it doesn't work
[22:35] <yoLo_> previous versions never did this..
[22:35] <yoLo_> i should probably go back to xubuntu 13.10
[22:35] <Travis> 13.10 does it too
[22:35] <yoLo_> it never did it for me
[22:36] <Travis> According to the website, 12.04 is supported until April 2015
[22:36] <Travis> Unless that's wrong.
[22:36] <Travis> I may go back to 12.04, just for that reason.
[22:37] <yoLo_> i never had the intention to upgrade to 14.04 until lastweek  when my OS was installing updates and my laptop hibernated due to low battery
[22:38] <Travis> I know that 12.04 doesn't do it for one reason.  CHIRP (a popular ham radio program) has a live CD that uses 12.04
[22:38] <yoLo_> guess 14.04 not stable after all
[22:38] <Travis> nope
[22:39] <yoLo_> are there people in here that can help ?
[22:39] <Travis> You have to wait around.
[22:39] <yoLo_> or this channel is just a hang ut ?
[22:39] <yoLo_> i'm assuming ikonia is the genius here
[22:40] <Travis> This is one reason I love to test it.  I have a Panasonic Toughbook CF-29.  I can run 14.04 just fine, until I want to close my laptop lid.
[22:40] <Travis> My gf hates it when I use Mr. Satan on her network.
[22:40] <yoLo_> :|


[04:28] <studio-user032> Well, just finishing my UbuntuStudio installation on my notebook and wanted to say THANKS to everybody for the AWESOME work done :D
[04:28] <studio-user032> Time to reboot ;)
[18:35] <studio-user943> hi
[19:58] <andrecdnobre> hey peeps
[19:59] <andrecdnobre> can anyone help me with something about ubuntu studio
[20:00] <andrecdnobre> i need to know how to do a schedule play for a school radio on ubuntu studi
[20:04] <drupin> what kind of play?
[20:05] <andrecdnobre> im on the school radio, and every recess i need to play music
[20:05] <andrecdnobre> but in way that i dont have to run from my class to the radio room to press play
[20:05] <andrecdnobre> music play*
[20:23] <andrecdnobre> i need to schedule by hour if you know what i mean
[20:24] <len-dt> andrecdnobre, So you have an hour long wav/mp3/ogg you want to play at a particular time? Or something else?
[20:29] <andrecdnobre> is more like a playlist
[20:30] <andrecdnobre> i head that winamp does that, tough it doesnt work on ubuntu
[20:30] <len-dt> Ok. are you used to dealing with command line stuff?
[20:30] <andrecdnobre> nope not used
[20:30] <len-dt> Cron can start a file of things to do
[20:30] <andrecdnobre> :(
[20:31] <len-dt> Ok. The other way I can think it to use Orage... this is the calendar that pops up when you click on the time in the top bar
[20:32] <len-dt> If you select a day that you want the play list to play... Click on it.
[20:32] <andrecdnobre> I need for example, start music playing at 10am and stop 20min after
[20:32] <len-dt> You will get an event dialog
[20:32] <andrecdnobre> then start music at 11.50AM and stop 15min later
[20:34] <len-dt> You can create a new appointment and for the alarm use a procedure
[20:34] <andrecdnobre> humm so there is no real program to do that ?
[20:36] <len-dt> You should for the procedure be able to give a command like audacious with the name of you playlist.
[20:36] <len-dt> I am not aware of a program to do that, but then I really haven't looked at all.
[20:36] <len-dt> you would probably need a second procedure at the end of play time that says killall audacious :)
[20:36] <andrecdnobre> i know winamp does that, but winamp doesnt work on linux
[20:38] <len-dt> There are a lot of audio file players around. xmmp was supposed to be the closest to winamp... back when, but I am not sure if it has kept up with winamp.
[20:40] <len-dt> Honestly though, I have not looked for that particular functionality


[11:05] <gintoki> hi
[11:05] <gintoki> anyone knows a company that actively supports edubuntu in the netherlands?
[11:06] <gintoki> or otherwise offers a more open source kinda solution for schools
[11:37] <highvoltage> hey gintoki


[05:55] <Fudge> anyone use trasmission-remote, my local config doesn't seem to be saving accept for the hostname of the remote machine.
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[09:53] <pitti> Laney: good morning
[09:53] <pitti> Laney: FYI, I removed all yakkety packages from the systemd silo and reconfigured the silo for v+x+z
[09:53] <pitti> Laney: according to sil2100 I now need to wait until the PPA fully unpublishes the y packages; doing the MP fix in the meantime
[09:53] <pitti> then we can re-re-re-rebuild
[09:54] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:54] <Laney> sorry for not "hey"-ing; sprint
[09:54] <pitti> no worries :) how is it going?
[09:55] <ogra_> it goes very dutch over here
[09:56] <pitti> Laney: ok, I did https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/indicator-datetime/fix-systemd-unit/+merge/308786, that fixes the ExecStart= line
[09:57] <pitti> Laney: not sure if the prerequisite is actually necessary, but I did it for now
[09:57] <Laney> pitti: I think it makes bileto merge in the rigth order
[09:57] <pitti> Laney: I mean, just merging the new MP is fine as it includes Ted's commits
[09:57] <Laney> ya, you can also replace it
[09:57] <Laney> but this should work too
[09:58] <pitti> Laney: oh, you mean I shouldn't replace Ted's MP from bileto but just add mine?
[09:58]  * Laney approves it
[09:58] <Laney> yes
[09:58] <pitti> ok, just adding it
[09:58] <pitti> Laney: yes, I did check the built .deb
[09:58] <Laney> I knew you would have :)
[09:59] <Laney> pitti: sprint is session rather than hack heavy, but not bad
[09:59] <Laney> we went to a museum last night with an illusion exhibition
[09:59] <Laney> like the stuff at Escher's one
[09:59] <Laney> was nice
[09:59] <Laney> but now, got one of the aforementioned sessions -> brb
[13:11] <pitti> tedg, Laney: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 mentions a missing libindicator, which is indeed not in a PPA, nor is there an MP; I figure this should be a backport of the y/z version (new indicator-common) -- shoudl I just upload that to the landing PPA, with a ~16.04/~14.10 suffix?
[13:12] <pitti> unfortunately all the indicators now depend on this, so we need to provide it as backport
[14:04] <Laney> pitti: I don't know, sorry
[14:06] <Laney> looks like power & sound need removing on s390x
[14:06] <Laney> (z)
[14:06] <pitti> Laney: it's just a depwait, does that hurt?
[14:07] <pitti> oh, indeed
[14:07] <pitti> will do
[14:07] <sarnold> do s390x machines not have a sound card? :)
[14:07] <pitti> they have lots of fans which make noise :)
[14:07] <pitti> *swoosh*
[14:08] <Laney> is libindicator this indicator-common thing?
[14:08] <pitti> yes
[14:08] <sarnold> ahhh I wonder if anyone has done any audio -> pwm fan control things for them.. :)
[14:08] <Laney> nod
[14:09] <Laney> Can't do anything to backport that, it's got no Depends
[14:09] <Laney> s/anything/any harm/
[14:10] <pitti> Laney: right, I rather meant if that's what's missing here (direct PPA backport upload) or something else
[14:11] <Laney> pitti: you mean how procedurally to upload a new backport using bileto?
[14:11] <pitti> Laney: yes, using  bileto or direct dput (with manual changelog crafting)
[14:11] <Laney> not sure if dput will make it sad the next time
[14:12] <pitti> the latter tends to upset bileto the next time you want to land stuff, so I'm not sure about the "official" way
[14:12] <Laney> I would say propose an empty MP
[14:12] <Laney> but, -> sil2100 / robru
[14:12] <pitti> ack
[14:13] <Laney> ah, you don't need to list things in source package names if they have MPs
[14:13] <Laney> maybe that's why it says "Diff missing" for those
[14:13] <pitti> robru, sil2100: so what's the official way to get libindicator backported to v and x for https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 ? direct dput to the landing PPA with adding a ~16.04/~14.10 changelog record, or some bileto magic?
[14:14] <pitti> Laney: the ticket has "libindicator" in its source package list indeed, but no MP
[14:14] <pitti> no idea about the "diff is missing" indeed; I didn't touch the "source packages" list
[14:14] <Laney> mmm
[14:14] <Laney> someone put all the packages in there
[14:14]  * Laney removes them
[14:14] <pitti> but indicators on v/x will definitively become uninstallable without the backport
[14:15] <Laney> nod, this is necessary
[14:17] <pitti> Laney: so in theory all the complaints should now go away, right?
[14:18] <Laney> pitti: I think so
[14:18] <Laney> not sure why it's gone green though
[14:18] <Laney> (or if that matters)
[14:18] <pitti> Laney: maybe because I removed the s390x packages, but that would have been quite fast
[14:18] <Laney> more likely because I edited the source package list
[14:19] <Laney> when libindicator is published in there, try to upload and see what happens :-)
[14:19] <pitti> Laney: I'll wait for s_il2100/r_obru to respond, before I mess up its brain
[14:19] <Laney> yeah
[14:20] <Laney> I just don't propose to tinker any more until $correct_action is taken
[14:21]  * pitti wonders if the negation was intended to shift to the right by two words
[14:21] <Laney> or s/more/more,/
[14:24] <pitti> Laney: I meant, you would propose to not tinker any more; but </pedantery>
[14:28] <Laney> strong words!
[15:02] <pitti> Laney: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 -- wohoo!
[15:02] <pitti> Laney: I clicked on regenerating the diffs, that cleaned up the remaining noise
[15:25] <seb128> oh, pitti deleted software-center :-(
[15:26]  * pitti puts down the axe -- looked like consensus to me on @u-devel, and it's still in y
[15:26] <pitti> seb128: ça va ?
[15:26] <seb128> yeah, I don't really understand tbh
[15:26] <seb128> I'm sure there are stacks for other cruft in universe
[15:26] <seb128> why do we go out of our way to delete this specific one
[15:26] <seb128> oh well
[15:26] <seb128> stacks of*
[15:27] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[15:28] <pitti> seb128: unblocking python 3, unblocking debtags, etc. (and removing three packages is not "getting out of our way" -- porting it to py3 would :) )
[15:28] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, merci !
[15:28] <pitti> trying to get rid of some tech debt this week while it's quiet
[15:28] <seb128> "unblocking python3"?
[15:28] <seb128> having python2 in universe doesn't block anything going to python3
[15:29] <pitti> ah well, it's not on teh images any more, right
[15:29] <seb128> but no big deal, I just don't understand why people focus on that one when I'm sure that a cruftier things in universe
[15:30] <pitti> no objection to removing those too :)
[15:30] <seb128> we never tried to bother uncrufting universe
[15:30] <seb128> hehe
[15:30] <pitti> I actually do go through teh pain of process-removals every now and then
[15:30] <seb128> that was my position in the past but people arguing the other way around, that those have some users and don't hurt anyone
[15:30] <seb128> oh, well
[15:30] <pitti> and whenever we stumble over stuff in library transitions etc., we  also tend to remove stuff
[15:30] <seb128> yeah
[15:30] <pitti> i. e. whenever cruft gets in the way, we kick it
[15:31] <seb128> I wish we had a decent software center
[15:31] <seb128> or a better one
[15:31] <seb128> software-center had flaw but gnome-software also has some
[15:31] <seb128> oh well, it's where we are now I guess
[15:35] <seb128> s/decent/better I guess also, didn't mean to be negative
[15:37] <pitti> seb128: so, one more step towards removing aptdaemon; language-selector, software-properties-gtk, and sessioninstaller still need it, though
[15:38] <seb128> we don't have plan to replace aptdaemon this cycle apparently
[15:38] <seb128> or rather nobody in our team has slots to work on that
[15:39] <xnox> desrt, import public key only (with public parts of all subkeys) and run gpg --card-status to generate stubs. That's upstream way of doing it.
[15:39] <seb128> it's also that aptdaemon works well enough/does the job so we don't have strong motivation to change
[15:39] <xnox> desrt, also, once ssh-agent is up use $ ssh-agent -l for key fingerpring, and $ ssh-agent -L to show the key public key
[15:39]  * xnox doesn't use the gpg thing for ssh auth keys
[15:40] <xnox> ssh-agent -L should always work, even for e.g. ssl cards
[15:42] <seb128> night
[15:51] <robru> pitti: Laney: if you put in an mp for a package and build it, it will be built for all three series
[15:52] <pitti> robru: ok, is that the official way to do it? as I don't really want to change/reupload it to z, that package is fine
[15:53] <pitti> robru: well, I'll bump Standards-Version :)
[15:55] <robru> pitti: you can either copy zesty into the ppa and do manual uploads for v and x,  or you can put an mp and have it built for you for all three, both ways are equally official. Generally MPs only work for packages that we are the upstream for
[15:56] <pitti> robru: it is "our" package (libindicator); my worry was if I put in manual uploads to v/x-overlay, bileto would complain about being out of sync the next time we want to land an actual libindicator change
[15:58] <robru> pitti: no, bileto doesn't check such things. You should probably check whether libindicator has forked development at some point. If you put an mp in, it'll land for all three, but maybe they have a vivid branch somewhere that they'll release from which won't contain your backport
[16:00] <pitti> robru: libindicator is not in the overlay PPA at all; the only change is the addition of indicator-common, so it's the first time it gets into the overlay
[16:00] <pitti> robru: Standards-Version MP it is, I figure :)
[16:04] <robru> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/libindicator libindicator appears to have branches for every series, which means that your changes will be reverted next time somebody does a vivid or xenial release
[16:05] <robru> pitti: in this case you'll need two tickets, one that's just vivid and one that's just xenial, and an mp backporting your fix to both
[16:10] <pitti> robru: oh, you mean because previous libindicator changes after vivid never landed in vivid-overlay
[16:10] <pitti> robru: I don't think these branches are/should actually be active -- we *do* want to unify libindicator now
[16:12] <robru> pitti: I'm not talking about overlay at all, I'm talking about the branches used to develop libindicator. If you put one branch in a triple silo, then later somebody attempts to use the vivid branch, it will revert what you've done, because your changes will only be recorded on the trunk and not on the vivid branch.
[16:12] <robru> pitti: if you're really sure those other branches are no longer needed, please mark them abandoned