[06:53] <mate|33366> networking, with other windows computers
[06:54] <mate|33366> to view other window computers on the network.
[10:11] <mate|54420> Hello world !!
[11:01] <ole_denmark> why write mate54420 Hello world  ?
[12:26] <Lanner900Z> Hi All. Is it possible to install Packages from the Studio Version into the Mate Version. It has been awhile since I have been using Linux. I put together a couple computers from spare parts and this one is XP64- Ubuntu Mate Dual Boot. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
[13:15] <sixwheeledbeast> Just install them if they are available in the repo?
[13:34] <Lanner900Z> Sorry- was using PIA VPN- disconnected VPN now
[13:35] <Lanner900Z> New to Ubuntu- where can I connect to Repo?
[13:35] <alkisg> Lanner900Z: mention one example package that you want to install
[13:36] <Lanner900Z> Right now I want a package to burn ISO's
[13:36] <Lanner900Z> Don't have a package name yet.
[13:36] <alkisg> Do you have a specific package name? I thought you were looking for specific packages from Ubuntu studio...
[13:36] <alkisg> OK, then try brasero
[13:36] <alkisg> It used to be preinstalled in previous Ubuntu versions
[13:37] <TaZeR> Lanner900Z: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[13:37] <Lanner900Z> Okay wil do- Thanks- I see that Studio offers a Guitar Effects Package- I would like to get that.
[13:37] <Lanner900Z> 17.10 Mate
[13:38] <alkisg> Lanner900Z: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=guitarix
[13:39] <TaZeR> Lanner900Z: i think this should get you sorted by adding the ubuntu studio repo to regular ubuntu: "sudo su -c 'echo deb http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio artful main >> /etc/apt/sources.list' wget -q http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update"
[13:39] <TaZeR> then you have access to every software from studio
[13:40] <TaZeR> let me know if it works i might of made a mistake
[13:40] <Lanner900Z> Thanks I will see how things go
[13:40] <Lanner900Z> Thanks again
[13:55] <Lanner900Z> Got to Jet for the moment- work to do. Bye all
[15:13] <ole_denmark> hellow from a glad mateowner www.olehasselbalch.dk/s.mov
[15:14] <ole_denmark> don't laugh
[15:55] <ole_denmark> hello from cold denmark
[16:21] <yetoo> Is there a unified directory that mate shortcut configurations
[16:21] <yetoo>                can go to?
[16:22] <alkisg> yetoo: what is "shortcut configurations"?
[16:22] <yetoo> Like configurations for shortcuts
[16:22] <alkisg> Yeah, that doesn't help
[16:22] <yetoo> like a file that contains user defined shortcuts
[16:22] <alkisg> Keyboard shortcuts?
[16:22] <yetoo> Yes
[16:22] <yetoo> But wait
[16:23] <yetoo> I'm not talking about the global keybaord shotcuts that just opens applications
[16:23] <yetoo> I'm talking shortcuts for individual applications
[16:23] <yetoo> of the mate caliber
[16:23] <alkisg> So you mean that you would create a file in a directory where you would define that ctrl+c is copy in firefox?
[16:24] <alkisg> Application shortcuts are not defined by the desktop environment
[16:25] <yetoo> Look, essentially I'm looking for something to edit in the gconf editor
[16:25] <alkisg> gconf is deprecated in favor of gsettings
[16:25] <alkisg> gsettings are written in the dconf database
[16:25] <yetoo> If yo ucan change internal application shortcuts that way
[16:25] <yetoo> that's what i meant dconf
[16:25] <alkisg> Many applications don't care at all about dconf, they don't even use it
[16:26] <alkisg> So it depends on the specific application that you want
[16:26] <yetoo> Alright, because some mate applications don't allow one to change their shortcuts
[16:26] <yetoo> unless you go into the source code
[16:27] <yetoo> like the mate-system-monitor
[16:27] <alkisg> I think it'd be best if you mentioned a specific example and what you want to do with it
[16:28] <yetoo> I want to change the sigterm shortcuts for mate-system-monitor to single key preses rather than ctrl + a key press
[16:28] <yetoo> *a key press -> <a key press>
[16:28] <alkisg> For example, you can see its settings with: gsettings list-recursively org.mate.system-monitor
[16:28] <alkisg> There are no shortcut settings there, so that application doesn't allow defining shortcuts with gsettings
[16:29] <alkisg> So yes, you'd need to change its source code and rebuid it yourself
[16:29] <alkisg> You could also file a bug report in case the developers see it as something useful to implement
[17:49] <psykid> hi
[19:03] <linuxliam> i think this means i have duplicate sources https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YFPPgb9cHn/ any help?
[19:08] <alkisg> linuxliam: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list.bad
[19:22] <linuxliam> what did ubuntu mate do to make snaps look better
[19:23] <linuxliam> as in theming
[20:01] <Kwisher> any of the dev's hang out in here?
[20:03] <alkisg> Kwisher: ubuntu-mate devs or mate devs?
[20:03] <alkisg> !ask
[20:04] <Kwisher> alkisg: i'm not an irc noob :)
[20:05] <Kwisher> and the channel is called #ubuntu-mate not #mate
[20:05] <alkisg> Kwisher: eh, I should have known by your name that you know the difference between ubuntu-mate and mate devs
[20:05] <Kwisher> so yes, ubuntu-mate dev's
[20:05] <alkisg> Oh no, I can't know that by your name
[20:06] <alkisg> So excuse me but I had to ask, as 99% of users that come here don't know it
[20:06] <alkisg> So yeah the one and only ubuntu-mate developer is here
[20:06] <Kwisher> and i did ask a question so not seeing the reason for your hounding me
[20:07] <alkisg> I was trying to help, and you started correcting me
[20:07] <alkisg> Anyways, bbl
[20:15] <Kwisher> anyways, i seen this post on G+ the other day: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JoeHecht/posts/CxCiwgLzeBW
[20:16] <Kwisher> i think someone from the dev team should respond to it to make any needed coreections
[20:20] <alkisg> Google plus is not an appropriate channel for bug reports; there's github and launchpad for that; and, I had already filed a similar bug report and it's been addressed
[20:21] <alkisg> I.e. now the metapackages in 18.04 mostly recommend and don't depend on packages
[20:26] <Kwisher> but, removing the metapackage(s) doesn't cause any breakage, correct?
[20:26] <alkisg> It may, but usually not
[20:27] <alkisg> The live cd seeding process marks the dependencies as manually installed
[20:27] <alkisg> If it didn't, then after removing e.g. firefox, which would remove the metapackage,
[20:27] <alkisg> if after that the user did an `apt purge --auto-remove` just to clean his system, he'd remove all of the dependencies
[20:27] <alkisg> I.e. would get a system without mate
[20:28] <Kwisher> sure about that?
[20:28] <alkisg> So that affects users that installed ubuntu-mate as a package, but not the ones that used a live cd, as in the live cd they're marked as manually installed by the seeding process
[20:28] <alkisg> 99,9%
[20:28] <alkisg> I checked it a couple of months ago
[20:28] <Kwisher> ok, i see the difference
[21:09] <Kwisher> alkisg: ever tried budgie?
[21:58] <mate|25095> buenas noches ubunteros!!!!


[12:21] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5114 trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
[12:21] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Cope with pygobject returning unicode objects rather than UTF-8-encoded
[12:21] <CIA-4> ubiquity: str objects (LP: #905916, #906015).
[12:33] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5115 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.9
[13:32] <CIA-10> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5116 trunk/ (15 files in 5 dirs): remove trailing whitespace
[16:46] <CIA-10> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5117 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py):
[16:46] <CIA-10> ubiquity: Handle interface change in ICU 4.8: unknown time zones result in
[16:46] <CIA-10> ubiquity: TimeZone instances with ID "Etc/Unknown" rather than "GMT".


[15:24] <koda|work> hi all!
[15:24] <koda|work> i wanted to try the newest thunderbird 3.3 from the daily ppa
[15:24] <koda|work> however i didn't want to install the ppa because otherwise it would upgrade firefox as well
[15:25] <koda|work> is there a way of adding just the thunderbird files?
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> koda|work, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[15:41] <koda|work> thanks :)
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> koda|work, you know you can also use the thunderbird-next PPA, if you want a bit more stability?
[17:49] <micahg> gnomefreak: i don't think that's been fixed yet and there's already a bug for it
[17:49] <micahg> gnomefreak: bug 708382
[17:50] <micahg> errr, bug 719919
[18:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks ill look into it later
[21:49] <BUGabundo> yo o/ :D
[23:24] <fta> chrisccoulson, micahg: any idea what the integrated pdf viewer in ff5 will be?
[23:24]  * micahg hasn't heard about this yet


[20:33] <Fuchs> one of the IRCCers around?
[20:34] <IdleOne> some rounder than others
[20:34]  * AlanBell is a bit round
[20:34]  * Fuchs hits IdleOne with a cactus
[20:34] <Fuchs> AlanBell: short query incoming
[20:35]  * IdleOne eats the cactus
[20:35]  * AlanBell isn't that short
[20:35] <IdleOne> Fuchs: you're lucky chu still has my pillow case filled with batteries


[00:08] <mup> PR snapd#11406 opened: tests/main/snap-run-devmode-classic: use realpath on deb filename <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11406>
[00:18] <mup> PR snapd#11406 closed: tests/main/snap-run-devmode-classic: use realpath on deb filename <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11406>
[01:28] <mup> PR snapd#11407 opened: tests: small adjustments to fix vuln spread tests <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11407>
[02:28] <mup> PR snapd#11408 opened: interfaces, o/ifacestate: don't allow devmode snaps calling other snaps on UC22 <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11408>
[08:10] <pstolowski> morning
[08:10] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#11409 opened: interfaces/apparmor: add missing unit tests for special devmode rules/behavior <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11409>
[13:21] <mup> PR snapd#11410 opened: snap: add new cpu quotas  <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11410>
[13:56] <mup> PR snapd#11400 closed: tests/nested/snapd-removes-vulnerable-snap-confine-revs: use newer snaps <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11400>
[14:01] <mup> PR snapd#11379 closed: tests: smoke test support for core22 <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11379>
[16:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#3642 opened: grammar: migrate to external package <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3642>
[17:02] <mup> PR snapd#11411 opened: tests: fix "undo purging" step in snap-run-devmode-classic <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11411>
[18:02] <mup> PR snapd#11412 opened: many: move boot.Device to snap.Device <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11412>
[18:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#3641 closed: lifecycle: fix behavior for core22-step-dependencies (CRAFT-733) <Created by facundobatista> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3641>
[19:42] <mup> PR snapcraft#3642 closed: grammar: migrate to external package (CRAFT-819) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3642>
[20:13] <mup> PR snapd#11413 opened: o/snapstate: add ~/Snap init related to backend <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11413>
[21:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3643 opened: extension: compose and deadkeys for neon <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3643>
[21:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3644 opened: [DRAFT] craft 821/staging/package repositories <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3644>
[23:42] <mup> PR snapcraft#3645 opened: meta: parse environment variables <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3645>


[21:13] <MonkeyDust> tomoyuki28jp  hope you know what you're doing, backup first, if needed http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/03/how-to-intentionally-screw-up-and-wipe.html
[21:13] <RingZer0> A2GJeff: sleep: http://ss64.com/bash/sleep.html -- again, #bash -- lol
[21:13] <Aethelred> RingZer0: it's an HP printer?
[21:13] <RingZer0> Aethelred: yeah.
[21:14] <A2GJeff> RingZer0: its not the Sleep command I have an issue with, its the alternative to spawn/expect
[21:14] <RingZer0> Aethelred: i know its hostname, so i'll give that a try.
[21:14] <A2GJeff> RingZer0: I am unable to spawn that program
[21:14] <Aethelred> RingZer0: have you looked here?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[21:15]  * RingZer0 hugs Aethelred
[21:15] <L0tt0> I have an old laptop that I want to install ubuntu on, I have Lubuntu and got an error that says I need "cmov". that is is missing..
[21:15] <L0tt0> it is *
[21:16] <Aethelred> RingZer0: good luck. Personally, I avoid printers. They are evil. But I'd be happy if you fixed your problem.   :)
[21:16] <escott> L0tt0, ???? cmov like the x86 instruction cmov???? how old is this laptop? where are you seeing this message? what version of ubuntu (architecture) are you trying to install?
[21:17] <killtrace> ok I need help,me and my girlfriend r hook up on same router,she's using windows and me ubuntu,how can I remotely shudown her PC bc she's driving me crazy with uTorrents downloads -.-
[21:18] <tomoyuki28jp> Is that possible to delete all the data from grub? (To sell the machine.)
[21:18] <sidhekin> Trying again, with some more detail ... the cron process starts a CRON process every minute (and one more every hour), and when this CRON process has run whatever it was meant to run, it goes to STAT=D ("uninterruptable sleep"), and does not terminate.
[21:18] <auronandace> killtrace: consult your routers manual
[21:19] <Fallout301> tomoyuki28jp, couldnt you just use a live disk perhaps and edit your grub config?
[21:19] <L0tt0> Iit is an old laptop.. error message This Kernal requires the following features not available on your cpu : cmov. Please use a kernal compatible with your CPU.  I downloaded and burned Lubuntu 12.10 to CD to install
[21:19] <RingZer0> when i type in lsusb i do not even see the device
[21:19] <RingZer0> hp-setup binary looks like what I need
[21:19] <escott> tomoyuki28jp, what you might want to do is install a minimal OS (just a command line linux) like ubuntu-minimal to a small partition and then use that to nuke the rest of the system
[21:19] <RingZer0> but the bus | device id I do not see
[21:20] <killtrace> yeah I can plugg her out but she will see it,on windows it's easy it's just net view,ping host name,shutdown -i,that brings add PC options to shutdown and it's done,but on ubuntu I tried smbtree I can only see her name but I can't ping
[21:20]  * RingZer0 kicks self in face
[21:20] <RingZer0> i'm not even going to say what it was
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> tomoyuki28jp  escott why not erase it by using a live cd or usb ?
[21:21] <escott> L0tt0, thats an ancient laptop then. probably over 10 years old. you would need an i586 build which you probably won't find for ubuntu
[21:21] <auronandace> RingZer0: fret not kind sir, we all have those types of moments
[21:21] <L0tt0> do you know of a light linux with gui I might be able to use?
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> L0tt0  lubuntu
[21:21] <L0tt0> hate to install w98 on it, that was what it came with back in the day
[21:22] <escott> L0tt0, you might try debian as that will be most comfortable for you coming from ubuntu
[21:22] <Fallout301> i find lubuntu to be a little weighty and overall... icky
[21:22] <gr33n7007h> killtrace, et rpc shutdown -I IP addr -U theusername
[21:22] <gr33n7007h> killtrace, net rpc shutdown -I IP addr -U theusername
[21:22] <L0tt0> lubuntu is what I get the eror message with
[21:22] <Fallout301> xubuntu seems lighter in my tests
[21:23] <Fallout301> both in a low powered VM and on my girlfriend's computer xubuntu runs WAY better, so u might wanna check out Xubuntu L0tt0
[21:23] <L0tt0> whatever I use, my cpu does not have the cmov, whatever that is
[21:23] <zykotick9> Fallout301: lxde is quite a bit lighter then xfce
[21:23] <scoffin> trying to use ndiswrapper with ubuntu 12.04.... anyone can help?
[21:23] <HyperNerdV2> grrrr, I can't find the trash in 10.04 via the CLI… anyone know where it might be?
[21:23] <L0tt0> if xbuntu requires it. I am still out of luck
[21:23] <zykotick9> !trash | HyperNerdV2
[21:24] <trism> scoffin: install ndiswrapper-dkms, the module is no longer included in the kernel by default
[21:24] <HyperNerdV2> ubottu: thanks… I'll have a look
[21:24] <HyperNerdV2> zykotick9:  thanks
[21:24] <scoffin> trism.... ahh, the ndiswrapper.ko is there?
[21:24] <Fallout301> zykotick9, is that so? interesting wonder why it runs so.. overall crappy on the computers i've tried it on
[21:25] <trism> scoffin: it will be built by dkms one you install that package
[21:25] <zykotick9> Fallout301: dunno, i'm not personally a fan of either lxde or xfce myself.
[21:25] <scoffin> wow, that is a big help already, I couldn't fine ndiswrapper.ko :-)
[21:25] <escott> L0tt0, I'm fairly certain there are no i586 variants of ubuntu. I think everything is built to i686
[21:25] <scoffin> *find
[21:25] <Fallout301> zykotick9, i mostly like xfce because im a diehard fan of Gnome 2, and xfce is the closest thing thats light that compares
[21:26] <L0tt0> okdoie, thanks... maybe vector
[21:26] <zykotick9> Fallout301: gnome2 will probably be my fav DE of all times - but i've moved on... (to lighter things)
[21:26] <escott> L0tt0, if you cant find a debian i586 (which is possible) try gentoo or slackware where you could specify the machine architecture
[21:26] <notNicolas> yeah ok this is silly
[21:27] <notNicolas> if I plug in my cable to charge my laptop, the charge doesn't go up. it just stops going down.
[21:27] <L0tt0> ok, thank you
[21:27] <notNicolas> or so the indicator applet is telling me
[21:28] <Areckx> I might want to setup a server
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> Areckx  use tasksel (task select)
[21:29] <Fallout301> Areckx, if you find a good tutorial lemme know, I've been wantin to
[21:30] <quad3datwork> hi, anyone got openldap password policy to work correctly here? can't see to set cn=config overlay
[21:30] <scoffin> trism:  that was all I needed, I had all the old stuff already working :-)
[21:31] <trism> scoffin: excellent
[21:32] <pfifo> what are my options for a linux to linux remote desktop?
[21:33] <geirha> pfifo: freenx, vnc, x2go ...
[21:34] <iceroot> pfifo: freenx, vnc, ssh -X, x2go
[21:34] <iceroot> pfifo:  i would prefer freenx
[21:34] <pfifo> ahh vnc, that was what i was trying to remember thanks
[21:34] <thesearchengine> a new revolutionary search engine : http://thesearchengine.fr (facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/TheSearchEngine)
[21:35] <geirha> pfifo: Yeah, vnc server is built in; "Remote desktop"
[21:35] <Mischinka> How do you upgrade apache to 2.4.2 from 2.2.22
[21:37] <thesearchengine> http://thesearchengine.fr
[21:37] <geirha> pfifo: Apparently changed name to "Desktop sharing" in 12.04
[21:37] <pfifo> geirha, trying to get a kvm running in the background and I remember using vnc in conjunction with the hurd images,  just couldnt for the life of me remember what it was
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> thesearchengine  wrong channel
[21:40] <geirha> pfifo: Ah, then vnc would indeed be a good choice
[21:42] <pfifo> geirha, well actually ssh -X is going to be the primary... but I might need vnc, so ill make sure it works
[21:42] <newbiedemon1> hola gente q tal?
[21:42] <pfifo> !es | newbiedemon1
[21:48] <Mischinka> Error!     (98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[21:51] <newbiedemon1> alguien sabe si hay canal de blacktrack
[21:51] <luciferis_> i've no sound sin ce updated to12.04, either my side bar, doesn'y disappear when oppening applications
[21:52] <luciferis_> can you help please
[21:52] <escott> !backtrack | newbiedemon1
[21:53] <DropsOfSerenity> what is the command to launch the unity-2d-launcher individually? previously it was unity-2d-launcher, but in 12.04 with it installed, the command is not there
[21:53] <bandit5432> gnome-settings-daemon error find info here or #gnome?
[21:53] <luciferis_> wright but is still ubuntu no?
[21:54] <dat789> how to check what is in my PCi-E ?
[21:54] <bandit5432> failed to get edid: unable to get EDID for output error applying color profile
[21:55] <escott> bandit5432, if you can connect through a digital connection dvi or hdmi try that
[21:56] <andersj> hiya
[21:57] <andersj> i'm having trouble with realtime scheduling in jackd.. if i start qjackcrl as root i have no problems.. but as a my regualr user i get alot of errors
[21:58] <andersj> how do find out which group i must join?
[21:58] <bandit5432> escott, connecting with dvi
[21:58] <bandit5432> the error should not effect the application of color profiles
[21:59] <andersj> anyone?
[21:59] <losers> What file on Ubuntu server do I need to edit to actually have /etc/resolv.conf updated? I can't manually edit it because it warns that it's going to be overwriten.
[21:59] <bandit5432> escott, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/863359/comments/6
[21:59] <losers> resolvconf is installed, but not enough reliable info on actually updating it.
[22:00] <escott> andersj, you need to modify /etc/security/limits.conf
[22:00] <escott> andersj, http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/HowToRunPDWithRealtimePriorityInUbuntu
[22:00] <krababbel> andersj: did you look at pulseaudio realtime scheduler?
[22:00] <andersj> krababbel, nope.. where can i find that?
[22:01] <andersj> and what shall i look for... you swedish btw?
[22:02] <dat789> help me please... I need help to update my graphic driver
[22:02] <fearphage> anyone know what's up witht he chromium-daily ppa? it's been 404 for ages
[22:02] <krababbel> andersj: not swedish, pulse has a good wiki, it has a realitme option, but i've never used it with jack
[22:02] <TomLM> My dell laptop refuses to boot after it started "SANE"
[22:02] <dat789> I've got a Radeon HD 4870
[22:02] <TomLM> Can someone help me please?
[22:02] <MonkeyDust> fearphage  ppas are not supported here and daily builds are unstable
[22:02] <krababbel> andersj: also a #pulseaudio channel
[22:03] <andersj> escott.. i have a file called /etc/security/limits.conf.d/audio.conf.disabled
[22:03] <fearphage> MonkeyDust: is there a place i can go to discuss the missing precise dists in the ppa?
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> fearphage  contact the maintainer of the ppa, the guy who created it
[22:03] <Mischinka> Can someone tell me how to fix this error: E: Package file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_universe_binary-amd64_Packages is out of sync.
[22:03] <krababbel> losers: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[22:04] <ohad> chromium won't get updated in 12.04??
[22:04] <Mischinka> It happened right after i installed apache 2.4.2
[22:04] <dat789> @Pici: Are you there?
[22:04] <andersj> it has 2 lines that begins with @audio
[22:04] <engammalsko1> Can someone help me change the sendmail sender address? Where's the config file, what do I need to change?
[22:04] <escott> andersj, sure check that. you need to make it so some group can do realtime
[22:04] <fearphage> MonkeyDust: can you help me nail that down? http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources is what's 404'ing http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu/dists/ precise is just not listed here
[22:05] <krababbel> losers: there is a help page about it http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[22:05] <MonkeyDust> fearphage  cant help and this is not the right place to come for help
[22:06] <andersj> escott, is that the @audio -rtprio 99 and next line @audio -memlock unlimited?
[22:06] <bandit5432> escott, thanks for the help i iwll try and get a hold of Richard Hughes on gimpnet
[22:06] <andersj> escott, should i just remove the .disabled from the filename?
[22:06] <fearphage> MonkeyDust: well chromium said that ubuntu maintained the repro. now i'm not sure where to go. thanks for your help though
[22:06] <escott> andersj, @audio -rtprio 99 means that a member of the audio group could switch to realtime priority 99. so yes probably removing the .disabled would be enough
[22:07] <andersj> escott, and log out and in again?=
[22:07] <Mischinka> Does anyone have any idea how to fix this? E: Package file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_universe_binary-amd64_Packages is out of sync.
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> !pm| ohad if nobody replies, nobody knows the answer, dont feel ignored
[22:07] <escott> andersj, i'd probably reboot as i have no idea what kernel process needs to reread the config. is this selinux?
[22:08] <andersj> ubuntustudio
[22:08] <ch33z> this be odd
[22:09] <escott> andersj, no i mean maybe restarting selinux (if it is even enabled would be enough) probably simpler to reboot
[22:09] <andersj> alrigt.. reboot then.. later dudes
[22:10] <ohad> so no one knows whether chromium will or won't get updated in 12.04 whenever google issues a new version?
[22:11] <DoFoT9__> alright
[22:11] <DoFoT9__> I need help with this for some reason it works with other domains
[22:11] <DoFoT9__> but this domain works right now
[22:11] <DoFoT9__> i copied all the info and replaced them with a new domain
[22:11] <DoFoT9__> but still nothing ideas?
[22:12] <escott> ohad, if it is like firefox you get security updates but not major version bumps
[22:12] <DoFoT9__> not sure if i should paste bin this
[22:13] <DoFoT9__> the pastebin file i was gonna post is a db.domain.com file
[22:13] <woxs> i, I have a problem. I cannot change the language of a Ubuntu 12.04 fresh install
[22:13] <woxs> the language support program crashes when trying to save the language
[22:13] <DoFoT9__> woxs wait your turn
[22:13] <woxs> ok
[22:14] <DoFoT9__> and use pastebin to post text
[22:15] <aaas> anyone know of a channel I should go to or would like to discuss the following:  i get spam from my brother, that is also sent to several family members (in the To field), this is not mere spoofing, where do spammers strip this contact info from and how does one fill that hole?
[22:15] <fearphage> Mischinka: have you tried: sudo apt-get update ?
[22:16] <escott> aaas, they probably compromised one of your families computers at some point with a virus that sent the address book back home
[22:16] <ohad> is there a way to add something to the ppa so chromium will get updated in 12.04?
[22:16] <escott> ohad, there may be a ppa for chromium
[22:16] <szal> aaas: most probably virus-infected Windows machines; the malware harvests address books
[22:16] <ohad> cool
[22:16] <aaas> escott szal, have an example
[22:16] <aaas> people say this all the time, but it could also be a comprimized account
[22:17] <aaas> or a bad webstie
[22:17] <aaas> that someone regiestered with
[22:19] <Mischinka> fearphage: I rebooted and the error is not showing.. Is there a guide to install apache2.4.2 on Ubuntu
[22:19] <Mischinka> ?
[22:20] <dat789> why in vi mode (terminal) are my arrow keys printing A B C D when in INSERT ?
[22:20] <dat789> how to fix this?
[22:21] <apwbdjp> dat789, you're not using a full terminal..
[22:21] <MonkeyDust> dat789  vi uses klm etc, you want vim, (vi improved)
[22:21] <DoFoT9__> hmm
[22:21] <woxs> any help with the problem changing the system language?
[22:21] <DoFoT9__> well i still need some help so i guess i will wait
[22:22] <DoFoT9__> its a simple web db. file that needs some help
[22:22] <dat789> MonkeyDust So, I supposed i have to get VIM ?
[22:22] <MonkeyDust> dat789  yes, it's in the repos
[22:22] <apwbdjp> dat789, yes, that's easy on Ubuntu, sudo apt-get install vim
[22:22] <ohad> bye bye
[22:23] <DoFoT9__> hmm
[22:23] <qazokm> hello
[22:24] <apwbdjp> qazokm, Hello
[22:24] <qazokm> can anyone spare some time to sppon feed me an advanced install?
[22:24] <dat789> MonkeyDust okay. that's done.
[22:24] <qazokm> spoon*
[22:24] <dat789> MonkeyDust Can you help with graphic card?
[22:24] <apwbdjp> qazokm, a full system install? How advanced?
[22:24] <true_techie> how can i remove the backslash from emacs line breaks?
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> dat789  alas no
[22:25] <qazokm> just a single hard drive, but i dont understand the something else options
[22:25] <qazokm> what dev, and swap, and sda1 and sdb 1000 and all that is
[22:25] <MonkeyDust> qazokm  '"something else' is for manual partitioning
[22:26] <qazokm> i know
[22:26] <MonkeyDust> qazokm  in a live session, use gparted to see your hard drive's layout
[22:27] <dat789> MonkeyDust Thanks for the response
[22:27] <qazokm> well im in one right now
[22:27] <qazokm> and i have /dev/sda, /dev/sda1 (ext4) and /dav/sda5 (swap)
[22:27] <qazokm> dev*
[22:28] <qazokm> and thats 11.10, im putting in 12.04
[22:28] <MonkeyDust> qazokm  sda is the hard drive, sda1 and sda5 are the partitions (separate parts of the harddrive)
[22:29] <qazokm> what is swap for
[22:29] <qazokm> well
[22:29] <qazokm> ignore that
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> !swap
[22:29] <qazokm> how should i structure it
[22:29] <qazokm> yeah i figured
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> qazokm  if you have enough free space, my advice is to create a separate /home partition
[22:30] <qazokm> i have a terabyte
[22:30] <qazokm> is it primary if im booting from it
[22:31] <MonkeyDust> qazokm  try to understand this http://paste.ubuntu.com/989816/
[22:33] <qazokm> so theyre all on one disk
[22:33] <qazokm> how do sda 2 and 7 coexist
[22:34] <kkrauss> Hey everyone, I have few problems happening.  The first one is I used the addition driver feature and installed the prop driver for my nvida card.  that cause me all sorts of headaches that I could not fix.  The only way I was able to boot is by going into grup and loading the previous version of linux.  The question is how do I disable that driver in the current version so I can boo taht?
[22:34] <woxs> Can anybody try to change the language  using the gnome-language-selector? it crashes when I try to close it
[22:34] <remu> Hi, I'm setting up a NAS using Ubuntu and would like to setup an mp3/music server. I'd like the ability for it to watch a specific folder for new music files, and then importing them into the library and organizing them by some pre-determined criteria, such as artist/album/. Ideally I'd like it to correctly update the metadata as well.
[22:34] <MonkeyDust> !partition| qazokm
[22:34] <remu> Is there some setup that would do what I'm hoping for?
[22:35] <qazokm> that's a dead link, btw MonkeyDust
[22:35] <qazokm> but er
[22:35] <Mischinka> I need to know how to install Apache 2.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[22:35] <vfw> qazokm: "priary" refers to tppe of partition (primary vs extended)  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
[22:36] <MonkeyDust> qazokm  https://help.ubuntu.com/search.html?cof=FORID%3A9&cx=004599128559784038176%3Avj_p0xo-nng&ie=UTF-8&q=partition&sa=Search
[22:37] <Kruk> hi, just wondering is ubuntu one mobile app available for symbian? nokia n8 to be exact
[22:37] <Felron> Is this the best place to ask questions about Ubuntu?
[22:37] <MonkeyDust> Kruk  guess you've read about ubuntu and android?
[22:38] <qazokm> yes felron
[22:38] <ikonia> Kruk: no, it's not
[22:38] <Kruk> thanks ikonia
[22:38] <JMichael|work> i am installing an OS on a netbook with an 8GB SSD... would anyone have a recommendation as to how much space should be made for a swap partition, if any?
[22:38] <qazokm> so a logical partition is a 'seperate computer...'
[22:38] <Mischinka> And How do i uninstall RPM
[22:39] <vfw> qazokm: no
[22:39] <ikonia> JMichael|work: the hard disk size has nothing to do with swap
[22:39] <luciferis_> felron: maybe they're too technical here try begginners team
[22:39] <DropsOfSerenity> what is the command to launch the unity-2d-launcher individually? previously it was unity-2d-launcher, but in 12.04 with it installed, the command is not there
[22:39] <zykotick9> JMichael|work: if you want to use hibernate, make swap slightly larger then RAM
[22:39] <qazokm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_partition_%28virtual_computing_platform%29
[22:40] <JMichael|work> ikonia: yes, it does. especially if you are dealing with a small drive.
[22:40] <DoFoT9__> ..
[22:40] <DoFoT9__> can someone instant message me
[22:40] <vfw> qazokm: the extended partition can be subdivided into multiple logical partitions.
[22:40] <ikonia> JMichael|work: no, it doesn't as your requirement doesn't change on depending on the size of your drive, although it can be a limiting factor
[22:40] <qazokm> so do i want to have an extended partition, with ubuntu under that?
[22:40] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: what's the problem
[22:40] <DoFoT9__> ....
[22:40] <DoFoT9__> its with my web files
[22:40] <luciferis_> ubuntu begginers team. just in case
[22:40] <JMichael|work> also, whether or not an SSD is being used has some bearing on how a person should configure swap, in some cases
[22:40] <Felron> Alright, I am utterly knew to this OS, and I like sound editing but ALL the programs available to me via Ubuntu and the Market that are specifically for Recording sound, don't seem to register the Hardware I use.
[22:40] <ikonia> JMichael|work: no
[22:41] <JMichael|work> ikonia: i completely disagree
[22:41] <Felron> I'm quite technical, I just don't know Ubuntu yet.
[22:41] <ikonia> JMichael|work: then why are you asking for help if you have your own view of how it should be laid out
[22:41] <qazokm> should it be at the 'beginning' or 'end'
[22:41] <JMichael|work> swap can be hard on some SSDs
[22:41] <ikonia> JMichael|work: no
[22:41] <vfw> qazokm: Yes, that is probably what you will do, (if you are creating a dual bot system).
[22:41] <luciferis_> i'm new too , though they've got some kind of sound syudio
 its a pretty simple thing I think but, its a matter of I have 3 sites working and I actually was gonna copy the files like the working sites. Hoewver, I copied one but  nothing works. So what should I do? Keep in mind I am using vhosts. Thanks!
[22:42] <luciferis_> studio
[22:42] <JMichael|work> ikonia: i am asking for advice, but that does not require a person to take any advice given
[22:42] <woxs> has anybody tried to change the default language in ubuntu 12.04?
[22:42] <luciferis_> is in the ubuntu programs
[22:42] <luciferis_>  haven't checked yet
[22:42] <ikonia> Felron: working out the hardware and it's support in linux in terms of audio editing can be quite limiting
[22:42] <ikonia> JMichael|work: yes, but your asking for advice giving no information on requriements
[22:42] <luciferis_> might be good
[22:42] <Mike9863> Does anyone know what settings I need to change in gnome-panel.css to change the background color of items in the gnome panel?
[22:42] <gr33n7007h> woxs, what language you got?
[22:42] <vfw> qazokm: For a Linux system, you want at least two partitions, a small swap partition and a large linux partition.
[22:42] <ikonia> JMichael|work: I've got a 2 litre engine, what colour should I paint my car
[22:42] <qazokm> vfw, should the bootloader be on dev/sda or dev/sda1?
[22:43] <JMichael|work> ikonia: to me, the pertinent information would be that there is 2GB RAM, and an *GB SSD
[22:43] <JMichael|work> 8GB*
[22:43] <woxs> gr33n7007h: i'm using catalan, but i want to change it, but the gnome-language-selector crashes everytime
[22:43] <LjL> JMichael|work: the "SSDs" in netbooks are usually not real SSDs, but just little more than the same stuff you find in a USB flash drive
[22:43] <woxs> the error is: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.Accounts.Error.Failed: not access to HOME yet so language not saved
[22:43] <LjL> JMichael|work: don't use swap on those
[22:43] <fr33loader> using ubuntu why are my dns servers not listed in /etc/resolv.conf?
[22:43] <ikonia> JMichael|work: this is the first time you've give that there is 2GB of ram
[22:43] <gr33n7007h> woxs, what language do you want to change from
[22:43] <ikonia> JMichael|work: do you plan to hibernate ?
[22:43] <JMichael|work> LjL: thank you, that is what i was looking for
[22:43] <Felron> Alright, thank you. Then I pretty much need to do things the hard way. That is fine, I have the time to make that work.
[22:43] <woxs> gr33n7007h: from catalan to esperanto
[22:43] <JMichael|work> ikonia: help someone else
[22:44] <ikonia> sure thing
[22:44] <vfw> quebre: bootloader needs to be installed on the MBR of the primary drive, (more than likely sda) Not on a partition but in the MBR (Master Boot Record).
[22:44] <qazokm> lol
[22:44] <qazokm> i have a fun name huh
[22:44] <gr33n7007h> You could try editing /etc/default/locale
[22:44] <vfw> !mbr qazokm !mbr
[22:45] <woxs> gr33n7007h: ok, i'll try
[22:45] <qazokm> ill take your word for it that sda is the mbr. how do i know which is which in the future?
[22:45] <vfw> ubottu !mbr | qazokm
[22:45] <vfw> qazokm: bootloader needs to be installed on the MBR of the primary drive, (more than likely sda) Not on a partition but in the MBR (Master Boot Record).
 its a pretty simple thing I think but, its a matter of I have 3 sites working and I actually was gonna copy the files like the working sites. Hoewver, I copied one but  nothing works. So what should I do? Keep in mind I am using vhosts. Thanks!
[22:46] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: if you have 3 sites working, why are you changing anything ?
[22:46] <qazokm> so mbr is just the 'parent' to all partitions?
[22:46] <DoFoT9__> because I am adding more
[22:46] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: I don't understand the actual question
[22:46] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: ok, so add a 4th site the same way as you added the 3rd
[22:47] <vfw> qazokm: The MBR is the first part of the Hard Drive.
[22:47] <escott> qazokm, there are mbrs and pbrs. /dev/sda means the "a" device, but the bootloader only uses the first 512bytes so it fits within what is the mbr. sda1 is the partition 1 on device "a" and putting it there means on the pbr
[22:47] <DoFoT9__> ikonia here is the thing
[22:47] <DoFoT9__> I dont know how since the other guy in the chat did it for me
[22:47] <ge0rge> test
[22:47] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: best to ask him then
[22:47] <DoFoT9__> hes not here anymore because I dont see him anymore..
[22:48] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: he can explain what he setup and how
[22:48] <ikonia> oh, you mean in this irc session
[22:48] <DoFoT9__> yup
[22:48] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[22:48] <DoFoT9__> can i give you root access to the server so you can view the setup its easier that way
[22:49] <ikonia> I have no desire to login to your server
[22:49] <DoFoT9__> I see.
[22:49] <DoFoT9__> well that guide has already been known about
[22:49] <TrollinPenguin> I do!
[22:49] <Erealz> ill login
[22:49] <TrollinPenguin> hahahha
[22:49] <Erealz> i do
[22:49] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: if you read that site URL it should explain
[22:49] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: do not give logins to anyone in this channel - we cannot be responsible for what they do to your machine
[22:49] <TrollinPenguin> troll grin :D
[22:49] <ikonia> TrollinPenguin: stop now
[22:50] <MrGizmo757> dose anybody know how to get My WIFI indicator LED working?  its always off.  it works in 11.10 but not 12.04
[22:50] <TrollinPenguin> nah relax I wouldnt do it
[22:50] <Erealz> dofot9 what going on your box?
[22:50] <ikonia> TrollinPenguin: then stop
[22:50] <DoFoT9__> well that was rare when the one person helped me here
[22:50] <DoFoT9__> the last person who helped me on here had access to my box and helped totally
[22:50] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: if you read the URL I gave you it should explain how to add a site
[22:50] <TrollinPenguin> wow ikonia I think you need a break for awhile
[22:50] <ikonia> TrollinPenguin: not at all
[22:50] <leafw> in a macbook pro, how does one disable the startup chime? It's a hardware thing ...
[22:51] <TrollinPenguin> lol k
[22:51] <leafw> but from macosx I recall oen coudl disable it from the terminal.
[22:51] <ikonia> leafw: the guys in ##apple should be able to help
 its simple
[22:51] <Erealz> do tell...
[22:51] <leafw> ikonia: thanks, but not if the only OS is linux.
 its just adding another site but, 3 site already work but, I dont know how to add the new ones
[22:51] <ikonia> leafw: yes, it's a hardware thing
[22:51] <ikonia> leafw: so the guys in ##apple should be able to help you
[22:51] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: the URL I gave you explains how to add a site
[22:51] <Erealz> ok so your running a webserver
[22:51] <leafw> ikonia: I do know how to disable it from macosx. I will try anyway, thanks.
[22:51] <Erealz> and would like to add some more pages ?
 just adding basic html files but some guy in the chat here helped alot! but, i cant find him anymore but he did the basic set up and i did that too but he did some more advanced stuff since ht ebasic set up didnt quite work the guide isnt too helpful
 indeed a webserer
[22:52] <DoFoT9__> webserver*
[22:52] <Erealz> i can try and help
[22:52] <gr33n7007h> leafw, put this in a bash script "osascript -e 'set volume with output muted'"
 not quite pages more websites. that link ikonia posted doesnt quite help and ive seen that before
[22:52] <Mischinka> Wow i really screwed up my website trying to upgrade apache2..  Can anyone help with this?
[22:52] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: that link explains how to add an additional site
[22:52] <oblongcat> Hi, I have a Sun keyboard with extra keys on the left like stop/front/copy/paste, etc.  Some of these are mapped to XF86Cut or other events, and I can't remap these in IntelliJ IDEA or another app for example.  How to I x to release these keys for me to use?
[22:53] <leafw> gr33n7007h: thanks, will learn more about osascript
[22:53] <ikonia> DoFoT9__: what part is not clear ?
[22:53] <gr33n7007h> leafw, kk
[22:53] <Erealz> listen man im no guru try the link they sent you
[22:53] <leafw> gr33n7007h: osascript is for macosx, not for ubuntu IIRC ...
[22:53] <Erealz> if no avail then ill pop in your box and see what i can do.
[22:53] <DoFoT9__> alright thanks dude
[22:54] <TrollinPenguin> under basic settings may be helpful
[22:54] <gr33n7007h> leafw, mac OSX
[22:54] <Mischinka> What link?
[22:54] <TrollinPenguin> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[22:54] <leafw> gr33n7007h: right, so can't run from ubuntu on mac hardware
[22:55] <HelenTheMelon> hmm
[22:55] <TrollinPenguin> depends on the hardware
[22:55] <gr33n7007h> ^^^
[22:55] <HelenTheMelon> I switched to blackbox and now I can't stop my screen from dimming, etc.
[23:02] <puff> I have 11.10 and a canon pixma mp210 scanner/printer.  I just want to use it for scanning, but when I plug it in, it shows a blinking "5" and the alarm, black ink, and color ink lights are blinking.
[23:03] <indian>  hello when I try to switch to console mode I see blank screen
[23:03] <escott> HelenTheMelon, is gnome-screensaver running? what is your screensaver/power manager
[23:03] <puff> indian: You mean ctrlshift-f1?  Did you hit the space bar to see if the screen was blanked?
[23:04] <indian> puff, ctrl+alt+f1
[23:04] <HelenTheMelon> escott, Those settings are disabled
[23:04] <puff> indian: Did you then tap the spacebar?
[23:04] <indian> yah
[23:04] <HelenTheMelon> but blackbox is ignoring them.
[23:04] <wolfcore> oblongcat: xmodmap and xbindkeys
[23:04] <indian> puff, all consoles stay blank
[23:05] <indian> I can some back to f7 it is fine
[23:05] <escott> HelenTheMelon, blackbox doesn't have any kind of screensaver. blackbox may not be notifying the screensaver that the cursor is active.
[23:05] <puff> indian: Weird.
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> escott, Those settings are definately disabled.
[23:06] <indian> they all stay blank wondering do i need to configure some where
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> I disable them on every fresh install of Ubuntu
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> also...
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> when I log into KDE
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> those settings work
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> when I log into blackbox
[23:06] <HelenTheMelon> they do work
[23:06] <FloodBot1> HelenTheMelon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:07] <HelenTheMelon> *don't work
[23:09] <vfw> HelenTheMelon: What settings?
[23:09] <nicklas_> hello, this is a fresh 12.04 install, with some repos added and fully updated: http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=dpdjunnczrwx359xvi15.png what should i do?
[23:09] <HelenTheMelon> vfw, The Ubuntu control panel settings.
[23:11] <Ben64> nicklas_: can you translate to english?
[23:12] <vfw> HelenTheMelon: You will need to be more specific.
[23:12] <xizk> Hello ,could someone help me? I'm trying to get my mouse to work
[23:12] <xizk>  Logitech mouse.. :(
[23:12] <indian> I am using between12.04
[23:13] <HelenTheMelon> vfw, During a fresh install of Ubuntu I disable the power settings and screensaver settings to prevent my screen from dulling/turning off. They work fine unless I log into blackbox then they don't work.
[23:14] <xizk> well, to be precise I have 2 Mice I'm trying to get to work. one is a Logitech the other is a nice old TeamConcepts mouse with an RJ-11 connector
[23:14] <HelenTheMelon> They are disabled now.
[23:14] <vfw> !mouse | xizk
[23:14] <nicklas_> Ben64: ?
[23:15] <xizk> ooh, thank you! I'll brb. :D
[23:15] <Ben64> nicklas_: your picture is not in english, not sure what to recommend to you
[23:15] <benhelps> hey all. trouble getting ubuntu properly installed. it isn't finding the NC107i network card
[23:15] <benhelps> and i'm having trouble (confusion at least) figuring out how/where to fix it
[23:17] <vfw> HelenTheMelon: You will need to configure blackbox as well. Blackbox operates independly from KDE.
[23:17] <nicklas_> Ben64: hm, hard to translate, sorry
[23:17] <HelenTheMelon> vfw, idk how.
[23:20] <SDr> hey guys,
[23:21] <SDr> any good papers on file system usage statistics?
[23:21] <SDr> specifically, I'm looking for evidence on whether the usage base of FAT32 justifies ongoing support costs
[23:22] <muelli> O_o
[23:22] <SDr> personally, I'd like that specific 13 year old FS to die, but I need to do that data-driven
[23:22] <escott> SDr, fat32 is one of the only patent unencumbered filesystems out there so it is actually one of the most used (in cameras and the like)
[23:23] <muelli> I feel that's very offtopic. But given the very high consumer base in consumer electronics, think cameras, phones, basically anything that takes storage media, use FAT, it's probably very well worth it. Plus maintenance is not too expensive, is it?
[23:24] <escott> nicklas_, it is asking if you want the proprietary drivers for your graphics card. the benefits are better 3d support and faster graphics, the downsides are more limited support if it doesnt work
[23:24] <SDr> muelli, I understand question being offtopic, and really appreciate your help. our usage scenario is people downloading *large* stuff from our site; and the question is whether we should split at 4gb, or do single-file, that might be up to 16gb
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander_> I am planning on a Win 7 and Ubuntu 12 dualboot but my father does not really care of his PC which is connected to the router that I also use to get online
[23:25] <muelli> *shrug* depends really what you're targetting, I'd say. Will it add trouble if it's multiple files? If not, why not split it... But really, that's offtopic to this channel. (but right now it's quite ;-) )
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander_> what do you think about this security situation?
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander_> I am asking because he just made the connection to crash on both our systems
[23:26] <gmachine_24> I have a dual-boot Win7 Home Prem 64-bit & Ubuntu 11.04 64-bit - I am getting the BSOD from the Windows boot; Ubuntu install works fine. Both are backed up. Can I use any of the Ubuntu disk-checking utilities to check the Windows partition? Thanks.
[23:27] <muelli> gmachine_24: well. yes. There is fsck.msdos and fsck.ntfs but I doubt it's what you need or want.
[23:27] <postpac1> anyone able to help me with a raid issue?  i just upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 and after rebooting i've been unable to get my raid 5 array to come back online.  examining the drives shows uuid of all zeroes and unknown raid level, correct checksum, state: active, and then at the bottom list it shows state: spare
[23:27] <gmachine_24> muelli, I ran dos chkdsk etc. but I still get the BSOD.
[23:27] <HelenTheMelon> hmm
[23:27] <HelenTheMelon> Help me
[23:28] <escott> postpac1, what kind of raid? mdadm?
[23:28] <postpac1> yes, 3 1tb drives in raid 5 with mdadm
[23:28] <muelli> well gmachine_24. *shrug*  No idea. But that's a windows issue and hence offtopic for this channel. Try the windows support.
[23:28] <HelenTheMelon> I can't get my screen to stop blanking.
[23:28] <gmachine_24> muelli, very true.
[23:28] <HelenTheMelon> It's really annoying.
[23:28] <gmachine_24> HelenTheMelon, you mean blinking?
[23:28] <gmachine_24> or blanking
[23:29] <HelenTheMelon> gmachine_24, well obviously blanking as I did say that.
[23:29] <nicklas_> what does version-current and version-current-update mean, or what is the difference between them?
[23:29] <escott> postpac1, what does /proc/mdstat say
[23:29] <gmachine_24> right, because no one here has ever made a typo
[23:30] <gmachine_24> :D
[23:31] <escott> nicklas_, maybe one gets updates and the other doesnt?
[23:31] <postpac1> at the moment it doesn't say anything; after first reboot it had one drive listed with a (S) after it and said inactive; i've since replaced the mdadm.conf file with the dist version and rebooted a few times trying different things, so with the blank config at the moment it says unused devices: <none>
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander_> I am planning on a Win 7 and Ubuntu 12 dualboot but my father does not really care of his PC which is connected to the router that I also use to get online
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander_> what do you think about this security situation?
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander_> I am asking because he just made the connection to crash on both our systems
[23:31] <vfw> gmachine_24: I think HelenTheMelon is talking about screen server function of going to black or blank screen.
[23:32] <kkrauss> Hey everyone, I have few problems happening.  The first one is I used the addition driver feature and installed the prop driver for my nvida card.  that cause me all sorts of headaches that I could not fix.  The only way I was able to boot is by going into grub and loading the previous version of linux.  The question is how do I disable that driver in the current version so I can boo taht?
[23:32] <HelenTheMelon> Can I atleast how help?
[23:32] <muelli> well Lunar_Lander_. If anybody has an answer, they'll tell you. No need to repeat that often. You can also try to be more specific as your question is, well, very open...
[23:32] <escott> postpac1, have you asked mdadm to scan the drives?
[23:32] <HelenTheMelon> *have
[23:32] <vfw> HelenTheMelon: If you look in the screensaver options, you should find what you are looking for.
[23:32] <muelli> kkrauss: how did you install the driver in first place?
[23:33] <HelenTheMelon> vfw, Where are they?
[23:33] <postpac1> yeah.  mdadm --assemble --scan --verbose tells me "/dev/sdX1 has wrong raid level." and then "Cannot assemble mbr metadata on /dev/sdX" for all three drives.  which I can't understand because it was working fine up to the reboot
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander_> muelli, thanks, I thought to repeat it once in case someone missed it, and my question is: when he is so careless about using the internet (like he uses Internet Explorer and doesn't think about safety concerns), I think: can something spread across the router to my PC with the windows 7 and then compromise the whole system, including the ubuntu 12 part
[23:33] <kkrauss> muelli, I did it through the additional drivers option.  thats what all the howto's said to do and it was supposedly tested by the unbuntu guys but it messed my system up.  The only thing I can do is load an older version of linux from grub.
[23:33] <escott> HelenTheMelon, i would first figure out what screensaver is running. It could be dpms but its more likely that a screensaver just isnt realizing you are using the system because of your non-standard WM
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander_> I had intended to use Win 7 for Steam only and Ubuntu 12 for all the surfing and working
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander_> so I don't want to put ubuntu on a crumbling base
[23:34] <Ben64> Lunar_Lamp: a lot of steam stuff works in linux with wine
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander_> yea, but steam and its games too?
[23:34] <muelli> sure. that sounds possible Lunar_Lander_. Maybe not likely, but it's possible.
[23:34] <Ben64> Lunar_Lander_: *
[23:34] <muelli> kkrauss: well, can't you simply uninstall using the same method/
[23:34] <Ben64> Lunar_Lander_: yeah many games work too
[23:34] <vfw> HelenTheMelon: I'm not familiar with Blackbox, I use xfce.
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah, but Valve's Steam?
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander_> I am especially looking at Portal 2
[23:34] <Ben64> portal 2 works fine
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
[23:35] <kkrauss> muelli, no when I bring up additional drivers in my .23 version of linux it shows it as already not active.  I have no idea how to fix this
[23:35] <Ben64> !appdb | Lunar_Lander_
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander_> let me think
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander_> I had Wine once
[23:35] <kkrauss> muelli, I just know I cant boot the current version of linux and have to go back 1
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander_> yes, in Teamviewer!
[23:35] <muelli> kkrauss: hm. I'd use the software centre to remove the nvidia driver.
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander_> that worked well
[23:35] <kkrauss> muelli, what really bothers me is why it didn't work when its supposedly tested.
[23:36] <HelenTheMelon> escott, How do I find it?
[23:36] <escott> postpac1, what does mdadm --examine /dev/sda# tell you
[23:36] <escott> HelenTheMelon, ps aux | grep saver
[23:36] <muelli> kkrauss: well. don't bother. graphics drivers are huge cans of worms. So I'd always stick to the free driver.
[23:36] <kkrauss> muelli, lesson learned my friend lesson learned
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander_> that is awesome news muelli and Ben64
[23:36] <HelenTheMelon> escott, hmm
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> one more thing maybe
[23:37] <HelenTheMelon> I executed it
[23:37] <Notn4> anyone got time to help with a issue regarding multibooting win7 and 12.04?
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> when I needed TeamSpeak, I first tried the Software Center but then couldn't connect to my friends
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> and my friends told me that I need TS3
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> so I went to the TS website and downloaded from there
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> that is OK as well?
[23:37] <Dmole> Notn4: format with ubuntu, install win, install lin, done.
[23:37] <spiffman> kkrauss: try the nvidia driver from their website. it seems to work pretty well for me, and is more up-to-date than the "proprietary drivers" option
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander_> as in the Software Center there is TS2
[23:38] <postpac1> lists the magic number, version 0.90.0 UUID is all zeroes, raid level is -unknown- state is active, checksums are correct, events is 1; two of the drives say there are 2 drives in the array and one says there is 1, but they are all listed as spare at the bottom.  very weird i think
[23:38] <muelli> kkrauss: better not try proprietary drivers as they are non free.
[23:38] <kkrauss> muelli, i am also having problems with the proprietary driver and starting to wonder if 12.04 is too new to run on my laptop.  The laptop im using for this has a gig of ram and ran vista so I thought 1.204 would be fine
[23:38] <kkrauss> muelli, no through additional drivers those ones are free
[23:38] <Notn4> Dmole: can't, I'm running win7 already as my main OS and I really need it, but after installing ubuntu my win7 won't boot
[23:38] <kkrauss> spiffman, jsut about everyone I know says to never do it that way with video cards
[23:38] <muelli> kkrauss: nope.
[23:38] <Dmole> Lunar_Lander_: it's OK, it's better if there is a 3rd party repo, but often there is not
[23:38] <escott> postpac1, one possibility would be to zero the superblock and then recreate the array (i dont know if thats a good idea or not) http://kevin.deldycke.com/2007/03/how-to-recover-a-raid-array-after-having-zero-ized-superblocks/
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander_> 3rd party repo like for Skype for example?
[23:38] <lapion> Lunar_Lander_, valve is in advanced stage of porting steam to linux.. they have even released a pre-release version
[23:38] <spiffman> kkrauss: hm... well to each his own. mines working great
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander_> awesome!
[23:39] <kkrauss> muelli, please tell me where I am paying for it then?
[23:39] <bohemian9485> Notn4: how did you install ubuntu?
[23:39] <kkrauss> muelli, I have installed many a proprietary drivers that way and never paid for it.
[23:39] <muelli> kkrauss: not free as in beer but free as in speach
[23:39] <Notn4> from a live cd, on a separate hardrive
[23:39] <muelli> speech even
[23:39] <kkrauss> muelli, you mean open source, I udnerstand
[23:39] <Mc2992> Anyone have any clu on how to get my ATI drivers installed correctly.  Have tried installing catalyst multiple times to no avail.
[23:39] <muelli> no kkrauss. I mean free
[23:39] <kkrauss> muelli, yes I know tahts why they are proprietary, they are not open source lol
[23:39] <Dmole> Notn4: did you overwrite your win install or can you browse that drive from ubuntu?
[23:39] <muelli> !free | kkrauss
[23:39] <shawnboy> URGENT! I just deleted my wife's Picture folder by accident using "rm -r ./Pictures". I haven't done anything after. Please tell me something to try to retrieve.
[23:40] <kkrauss> muelli, we are arguing semantics I do believe
[23:40] <postpac1> yeah, i considered that but i don't want to do anything irreversible yet because i just don't see how anything could have been changed on the drives by the reboot process
[23:40] <kkrauss> muelli, whic is not why I am hre
[23:40] <shawnboy> (I thought I was deleting a backup folder of the Pictures folder)
[23:40] <Notn4> yeah I can browse it and I nknow its there, but grub cant find it and it seems at I lack MBR completely
[23:40] <bohemian9485> Notn4: check your bios settings, may the first boot hdd is the linux
[23:41] <escott> postpac1, have you tried pulling them up by booting the livecd?
[23:41] <muelli> shawnboy: tough luck. You can expect to be doomed. You might want to forcefully shut the machine down, boot smth else and take an image of the disk using dd. Then look into foresic tools.
[23:41] <Mike9863> Does anyone know how to get the background to be transparent for items in gnome panel?
[23:41] <escott> postpac1, the old 11.10 (or whatever) livecd not the new 12.04?
[23:41] <HelenTheMelon> escott, How do I read PS's output?
[23:41] <Dmole> kkrauss:muelli means free to redistribute (they are not thus some hacking is needed to get them going and keep them going)
[23:41] <postpac1> escott, that was going to be my next step, with an 11.10 livecd
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander_> a question on the repos Dmole, I use arduino and the software center has the 0.22 version of it, the official website has 0.23 and 1.0 as well, so I once tried out the 1.0 package and that worked OK and I think that is OK too?
[23:42] <postpac1> was hoping someone might have a quik fix though ;) a bug or something i didn't know about
[23:42] <Notn4> I got bios all correct, still problems, im using my laptop right now and just ran the third time through the win7 repair and now it seems to actually boot, will see if ubuntu works as well :D
[23:42] <escott> HelenTheMelon, the important bit is the last column. do you see any screensaver command there?
[23:42] <shawnboy> muelli, crap! crap! boot to my own head!
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander_> and: does software in the center get updated sometimes if it is not supported by canonical itself?
[23:42] <Notn4> its funny how everything starts to work the exact time you decide to ask for help :D
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander_> like the TS2 or the Arduino 0.22 thing
[23:42] <escott> postpac1, sorry thats a scary situation to be in, and a bit over my head. goodluck
[23:42] <HelenTheMelon> escott, I see grep --color=au to saver
[23:42] <Dmole> Lunar_Lander_: it's all good, until it's not :) so just do what works
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[23:42] <escott> postpac1, you might try #ubuntu-server in case the guys in that change have more experience with this issue
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander_> but there was a problem when I tried out my arduino uno with the ubuntu
[23:43] <postpac1> ah good idea, thanks for your help, i'm idling in #linux-raid but it's not very active over there
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander_> the GUI started to freeze up
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander_> there was one potential idea that the USB input chip on the board had old firmware
[23:43] <Mc2992> ANy help with installing ATI drivers in here??
[23:44] <Dmole> Notn4: your mbr was fine if you were booting ubuntu, you likely just needed to ask grub to let you chose which OS you want before auto booting ubuntu
[23:44] <azp> does anyone know if ubuntu will allow 1920x1080p output with the correct drivers?
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander_> did you get your ubuntu 12 via the upgrade downlink?
[23:44] <escott> HelenTheMelon, if thats the only one then no process with "saver" in the name is running so its unlikely a screensaver is running. maybe it is dpms. you could try xset -dpms
[23:44] <muelli> sure azp.
[23:44] <ikonia> azp: if your card supports it and the driver does, yes
[23:45] <Notn4> well grub didn't find anything else than ubuntu, and yes i did update it, several times
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander_> I ordered the CDs from canonical as I wanted to reinstall anyway and cause I wanted to support the project :)
[23:45] <azp> I have an nvidia 8600M GT and am only able to output 1154 x 800
[23:45] <HelenTheMelon> escott, I just need to execute that or what?
[23:45] <bohemian9485> Notn4: i think grub did not pick up your win7 os that's why it boot straight into ubuntu. try run sudo update-grub
[23:45] <kkrauss> muelli, dude ubuntu just totally froze so if you said anything else I didnt get it.  It froze while I was removing the nvidia driver
[23:46] <shawnboy> anyone else have more hopeful answers for recovering my wife's deleted photo folder?
[23:46] <Dmole> Notn4: odd, you could manualy add it if needed
[23:46] <escott> HelenTheMelon, that should disable dpms. xset +dpms would reenable it
[23:46] <Notn4> now I got it this far: windows boots when the win drive is primary boot drive but no option to boot ubuntu, ubuntu boots when its drive is set a primary but no win7 option
[23:46] <escott> !info photorec | shawnboy
[23:46] <benhelps> hey all. edited /etc/modules, assuming that would load a module on boot. didn't work - is there a different method for 12.04?
[23:46] <muelli> shawnboy: sorry dude. Unless it's a FAT filesystem, you're pretty much doomed as I've said. But on the bright side, there are few forensic tools specialised in recovering photo files.
[23:47] <azp> I have the correct drivers and the nvidia x server settings doesn't allow more than 1350x1100 out
[23:47] <escott> shawnboy, there is a photorec program which might be able to find some hidden photos (probably will also find all the images in your firefox cache so its going to be a high chaff to wheat ration)
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> btw one more thing
[23:47] <azp> when i try 1350 out it looks worse than the 1154 settings
[23:47] <Notn4> I did a update of grub now, it found the win7 :) thanks for any help!
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander_> are Canon Printers really that hard to implement on ubuntu?
[23:47] <muelli> shawnboy: so the story goes as I've said: Take an image of the disk using dd. then run forensic tools, i.e. smth on top of "carvfs".
[23:48] <bohemian9485> Notn4: nice to hear you got the problem sorted out :)
[23:48] <azp> anyone with nvidia video card?
[23:48] <kkrauss> muelli, if you do not recommend using any proprietary drivers, how will I get my wireless card working?
[23:48] <ikonia> azp: why ?
[23:48] <shawnboy> hmmm. Ok. well, at least photorec is something I can look into. muelli, "smth" and "carvfs" unfortunately mean nothing to me. I can google, but otherwise flying blind.
[23:48] <curiousx> azp: me
[23:48] <Notn4> yeah, now everything is up and running great! both OSes boot from GRUB no problem
[23:49] <chai_> hi, I currently can only boot in recovery mode. When I resume from the recovery read-only prompt, it boots fine and all my drivers work. Standard boot hangs indefinitely and I have to hard-reset.
[23:49] <muelli> kkrauss: well. Wireless is quite good these days with linux. There are only a few crappy vendors left. Even broadcom has a mainline driver now IIRC.
[23:49] <azp> because just curious if you have had any issues with the nvidia drivers?
[23:49] <muelli> shawnboy: so go ahead and do your research. This is pretty advanced stuff. You *need* to do your own research and know what you're doing.
[23:49] <ikonia> azp: if I have issues has no relevence, as my experience maybe totally different than yours due to our different hardware
[23:49] <kkrauss> muelli, mine does not seem to work.  If I do not have the proprietary driver installed it says missing firmware then when I install it there is no option for wirelss AND when I hit the wireless button on my lpatop it doesnt turn on
[23:50] <curiousx> ye i have
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander_> and one more: If 12.04 is the LTS version, will 12.10 then also be LTS?
[23:50] <azp> I originally couldn't get the nvidia settings to work do to You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver on Linux Ubuntu
[23:50] <Dmole> shawnboy: I think there is a package for backtrack that includes all kinds of related goodies
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander_> and i.e. 13.04 isn't LTS then?
[23:50] <Daekdroom> Lunar_Lamp, the next LTS is 14.04
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[23:50] <cobalt238> In Ubuntu, they recently split up a lot of their libs into two different dirs: /usr/lib and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
[23:51] <kkrauss> god damn it, every time I try to remove this nvidia drive, the software center closes
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander_> so 12.10 won't be LTS?
[23:51] <Daekdroom> It won't.
[23:51] <Sidewinder> No
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander_> but why should one get 12.10 in october then
[23:51] <shawnboy> muelli, understood. Dmole: ok, another one I'll look into.
[23:51] <azp> after searching online I found this, http://blog.musicvm.com/solved-you-do-not-appear-be-using-nvidia-x-driver-linux-ubuntu
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander_> or the 13.04 and 13.10
[23:51] <Sidewinder> Why, indeed.
[23:51] <cobalt238> When I run qmake now, it adds -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and can't find the files in /usr/lib
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[23:51] <Daekdroom> It'll have new features, new hardware support.
[23:51] <curiousx> suddenly i saw green and pink colours when i playing and then hangs up with 295.40 drivers version
[23:51] <kevin__> hi all. how do i use gnome instead of unity? on precise. is this a good resource: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6302/how-can-you-remove-unity
[23:51] <muelli> kkrauss: poor you then. I'd complain to the vendor. So by buying proper hardware you avoid these issues altogether. But maybe it's just a configuration issue of some sort. But yeah, if you bought crappy hardware then you need to run BLOBs. But of course this is nothing to embrace so one must use as little as needed.
[23:51] <shawnboy> Thanks for the tips everyone.
[23:51] <chai_> what does a hard-reset look like in dmesg?
[23:52] <cobalt238> Should I hardcode /usr/lib into my qmake libs path or is there a more elegant way to handling this?
[23:52] <azp> It did get the nvidia settings to work and was able to adjust my setting like my resolution
[23:52] <chai_> ...er hard-shutdown
[23:52] <azp> but I cannot get the propper supported output
[23:52] <curiousx> azp: i downgrade to 295.33 and is more stable
[23:53] <azp> I have 2 displays that support 1600x900 and 1920x1080
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander_> and to repeat
[23:53] <KXTwo> muelli: this is kkrauss, Its not the hardware I already checked and its fine.  Why do you automatically assume such things.  Also ubuntu had just frozen on me AGAIN trying to remove that stupid nvidia driver
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander_> Canon Printer+Ubuntu=really impossible?
[23:53] <azp> the nvidia driver does not allow output anywhere near these resolutions
[23:53] <azp> curiousx: is the downgrade process simple?
[23:54] <kkrauss> I cant even get the nvidia driver to work, it has totally broken my system.
[23:54] <chai_> azp: to view the nvidia driver options and alternatives, look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia maybe an alternative will work better, or as curiousx suggested, a downgrade
[23:54] <Dmole> kevin__: the solution is to use terminal making any GUI pointless :)
[23:54] <kevin__> Dmole: ;)
[23:54] <Sidewinder> Lunar_Lamp, Have you any idea how many printers that Canon makes? WADR, of course.
[23:54] <kevin__> well i'm just gonna go with that link. thanks though.
[23:55] <curiousx> mmm... ye following a tutorial is pretty easy but the tutorial that i found is in spanish, if you want yo can translate it with google
[23:55] <kkrauss> is there like a benchmark I can use out there to determine which version of ubuntu will run best on my system.  I think my system isn't digging 12.04
[23:55] <Dmole> kevin__: If It works like it used to you can install 3 or 4 GUIs and select the one you want at login
[23:55] <grainne> shawnboy: maybe take a look at http://www.caine-live.net/ a forensic distro http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=caine
[23:56] <Dmole> kevin__: also Cinnamon might be to your liking
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander_> OK, once more xD: Canon Pixma iP3600+Ubuntu=impossible?
[23:57] <Mc2992> Any help installing ATI video drivers in here??  I have attempted following several tutorials no luck.
[23:57] <muelli> Lunar_Lander_: sorry. That's an odd question. If you have the hardware and don't know the answer, just try it yourself.
[23:58] <Dmole> kkrauss: plenty, here is one: http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/download/
[23:58] <alusion> hey ubuntu my browsers are acting very funny today and aren't loading up any pages as they should be (will just stay loading except for google)
[23:58] <Dmole> kkrauss: another http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=downloads
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander_> muelli, ah OK; I mean I read what I could find by searching "Canon Pixma Ubuntu" on google and it seemed to be a really difficult process that doesn't work every time
[23:59] <xizk> o_o here goes nuthin.
[23:59] <Mc2992> Any help installing ATI video drivers in here??  I have attempted following several tutorials no luck.
[23:59] <muelli> !any | Mc2992
[23:59] <Mc2992> !any


[12:03] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[20:30] <Welshy-Rob> Evening all
[20:30] <brobostigon> noswaith dda Welshy-Rob
[20:31] <Welshy-Rob> How are we all? Long time no speak :)
[20:32] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: i have a possible interesting project coming up, but thats about it. and you?
[20:33] <Welshy-Rob> Awsome :) is it top secret then?? haha
[20:34] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: howeevr i am fine, myhip hurts, and my back, and my eczema has calmed down. how about you?
[20:34] <Welshy-Rob> im good thanks :) been offered a place in Glamorgan uni !!
[20:34] <Welshy-Rob> and kingston in london ;)
[20:34] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: IT for the company my dad is going to form.
[20:34] <brobostigon> thats good to hear, :)
[20:34] <brobostigon> well done,
[20:34] <Welshy-Rob> Sweeet that will keep you busy and glad to hear it ^^^
[20:35] <Welshy-Rob> brobostigon, Thanks :)
[20:35] <brobostigon> i would agree, yes, maybe busy.
[20:35] <Welshy-Rob> brobostigon, is  ianto still about?
[20:36] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: should be, yes. you just need to catch him when he is around.
[20:36] <Welshy-Rob> Ah Fairs :)
[20:36] <brobostigon> he is around often.
[20:36] <Welshy-Rob> brobostigon, know anything about programming??
[20:36] <Welshy-Rob> or anyone else??
[20:37] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: can you be more specific. programming is a big subject, and varied interpretations.
[20:39] <Welshy-Rob>  brobostigon,  well as a college project im thinking about writing a keylogger in python possibly C#  (as an practical joke to my subject teacher who dosent think i can pull it off) but yeh i dont really know how to go about it :/
[20:40] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: it would have to be a module inside xorg, as xorg manages keyboard input.
[20:41] <Welshy-Rob> umm okay :) ill look into it
[20:41] <Welshy-Rob> ...
[20:42] <brobostigon> that is if it uses xorg that is.
[20:42] <Welshy-Rob> probably xorg controls the mouse and screen ( i belive)
[20:43] <brobostigon> well xorg does the basic graphical output, mouse and keyboard, and its basic interaction. yes.
[20:44] <brobostigon> however, many other components are probebly involved in keyboard setup.
[20:45] <Welshy-Rob> humm think its too much of a challange my self?
[20:45] <brobostigon> howeevr i am thinking xorg, as your keystrokes travel via underlying pickup, and have to go via xorg to go to gui apps.
[20:46] <brobostigon> but i maybe totally wrong.
[20:47] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: ot stick a module in the kernel, which does basic hw pickup.
[20:47] <brobostigon> or*
[20:49] <Welshy-Rob> brobostigon,  okayy sounds a bit too complex for me xd
[20:50] <brobostigon> Welshy-Rob: i amsure using enough research andlogic, you canwork it out.
[20:52] <Welshy-Rob> im am sure i can...given a bit of time xD
[20:53] <brobostigon> definatly. :)


[00:00] <zequence> DarkEra2: I'll have to leave you now, but once you have the code of conduct signed, next time, I'll show you the sources involved in the desktop stuff, and you can start working on it
[00:00] <DarkEra2> zequence, ok cool :)
[00:00] <zequence> DarkEra2: Probably the first thing you want to learn is how to prepare a package for PPA. It's not difficult (when you know it)
[00:01] <zequence> Editing the sources is also very simple
[00:01] <DarkEra2> we'll get there for sure, it takes some time and patience
[00:01] <zequence> DarkEra2: Good night. See you tomorrow
[00:01] <DarkEra2> good night zequence and see you later
[00:02] <DarkEra2> and thanks for all the help
[00:34] <madeinkobaia> Bye all, see you zequence.
[02:09] <smartboyhw> !testers-ubuntustudio-devel is <reply> That item needs testing! zequence, len-1304, Len-nb, smartboyhw, DarkEra please do some testing!
[02:10] <smartboyhw> Damn wrong
[02:10] <smartboyhw> !testers-#ubuntustudio-devel is <reply> That item needs testing! zequence, len-1304, Len-nb, smartboyhw, DarkEra please do some testing!
[02:14] <smartboyhw> Better
[05:03] <smartboyhw> !ubuntustudio
[05:04] <smartboyhw> Good:)
[05:08] <smartboyhw> !contribute
[05:08] <smartboyhw> Meh, we should update the links
[05:08] <smartboyhw> With thr Studio ones
[05:33] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, need to do the ones in #ubuntustudio too... maybe first
[05:34]  * Len-nb is off to bed
[05:37] <smartboyhw> Len-nb sure
[08:52] <smartboyhw> Hello DarkEra:)
[08:53] <DarkEra> good morning smartboyhw :)
[09:13] <DarkEra> i believe everything is set up, even CoC is signed
[09:23] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: gd
[10:19] <zequence> DarkEra: Create a directory for source repositories. Something like ~/repos
[10:20] <zequence> DarkEra: Then to beging with, you could check out the source for ubuntustudio-meta and the ubuntustudio seeds
[10:20] <zequence> You'll also need the Ubuntu Gnome seeds to get the list of dependencies for the Gnome desktop
[10:20] <zequence> So, in repos, do: apt-get source ubuntustudio-meta
[10:21] <zequence> DarkEra: Then, cd into ubuntustudio-meta* and check out debian/control
[10:21] <zequence> Later, you'll need to create an entry for ubuntustudio-gnome-desktop
[10:21] <smartboyhw> zequence: I think I have falktx's work to copy for KDE:P
[10:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: That's probably not a good idea
[10:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: He does custom work, which is not avilable in our repo
[10:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: The idea is we do as little maintanence as needed
[10:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: That is why basing on Kubuntu is a better choice
[10:23] <smartboyhw> zequence: OK then
[10:23] <smartboyhw> I mean I have the DE to copy
[10:23] <zequence> All though, I need to have a closer look at these desktop metas to decide for myself, what is actually important and not
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Not the apps, IIRC
[10:23] <zequence> smartboyhw: What do you mean? Artwork, and so on?
[10:24] <smartboyhw> zequence: Basic DE structure only
[10:25] <zequence> DarkEra: Seeds for Ubuntu Studio https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[10:25] <zequence> DarkEra: DarkEra Seeds for Ubuntu Gnome https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.saucy
[10:25] <zequence> DarkEra: To get the Ubuntu Studio seeds: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[10:25] <smartboyhw> zequence:We ARE still using our own artwork right?
[10:25] <zequence> DarkEra: To get the Ubuntu Gnome seeds bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.saucy
[10:25] <zequence> smartboyhw: Of course. What are you talking about?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> zequence: Forget it.
[10:26] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:26] <zequence> smartboyhw: I suggested to falktx_ that he could work on a KDE version for Ubuntu Studio, but he was not interested.
[10:27] <DarkEra> zequence, sorry was away from keyboard. Seems like Mrs.'s wants to go outside for a walk so i'll start working on that later this afternoon buddy.
[10:27] <smartboyhw> zequence: Heh
[10:27] <falktx_> zequence: hmm, it was not that
[10:27] <zequence> DarkEra: Yeah, I won't have much time today until the evening myself. Just check back into the logs later
[10:27] <falktx_> zequence: I am interested on a KDE US version, but it's not possible
[10:27] <falktx_> because for a proper KDE dedicated to audio, KDE needs to be patched
[10:27] <falktx_> or the packaging modified
[10:28] <falktx_> modifications that I'm sure Kubuntu won't like
[10:28] <smartboyhw> falktx_: Oh.
[10:28] <zequence> falktx_: I forget what it was, but did this have something to do with pulseaudio?
[10:28] <falktx_> I'm the opinion that you either do something right, or there's no point on doing it
[10:28] <falktx_> zequence: yes, pulseaudio mostly
[10:28] <DarkEra> zequence, sure thing. Same here, in the evening or  night is better when everyone is asleep and i have my piece & quiet :)
[10:29] <zequence> falktx_: If you are right, you should be able to prove it by argumentation, in which case no one could prove you wrong
[10:29] <zequence> falktx_: And, that would mean your suggestion would be wanted
[10:30] <falktx_> you're free to ask kubuntu guys if it's ok to remove pulseaudio support from their packages
[10:30] <falktx_> I'd love to know what they answer to that...
[10:30] <zequence> falktx_: So, in your mind, there is no place for pulseaudio support at all?
[10:30] <falktx_> there is, but one that doesn't block it from non-usage
[10:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: I thought pulseaudio was the default in Kubuntu
[10:31] <falktx_> ie, qtmobility package needs pulseaudio to work right now
[10:31] <falktx_> but it could be made to work with ALSA
[10:31] <falktx_> kmix needs pulseaudio to work, but it could be made to work with alsa too
[10:31] <zequence> falktx_: Can't it be made to work with both? If PA is not present, then..?
[10:31] <falktx_> and several packages are like that
[10:31] <falktx_> zequence: nope, if PA is not present, software crashes or stops working
[10:32] <zequence> falktx_: What I mean is, can't someone code it that way
[10:32] <zequence> falktx_: I don't see why anyone would object to that
[10:32] <falktx_> I don't see why either
[10:32] <falktx_> but it has been done that way, not sure why...
[10:32] <zequence> falktx_: Maybe you could do that?
[10:32] <smartboyhw> falktx_: PA is in Kubuntu I think
[10:33] <falktx_> it's not a easy job, and would take quite some time
[10:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: I forgot what the problem was. It has to do with PA being forced onto KDE, not that it is used as default for Kubuntu
[10:33] <falktx_> for me, my quick solution is to remove pulseaudio support and go with just alsa
[10:34] <zequence> falktx_: Someone would need to at least suggest a policy for that. Otherwise, noone will care
[10:34] <falktx_> zequence: kde is focused on pulseaudio, and some things don't work ok without it
[10:34] <falktx_> developers don't really care afaik
[10:34] <smartboyhw> zequence: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[10:34] <DarkEra> wasn't phonon the default in kde?
[10:34] <falktx_> too many specs already, I think most kde decided to go with pulse
[10:34] <smartboyhw> PA is in there
[10:35] <DarkEra> kinda sucked when they removed it
[10:35] <DarkEra> ok guys, chat ya all later again. Seems i'm forced outside :D
[10:36] <zequence> DarkEra: See you later
[10:36] <zequence> I'll need to go too
[10:36] <DarkEra> o/
[10:37] <zequence> falktx_: I'll make a note of the sound server problem. One of my goals for 14.04 is to be able to set the system to pure jack usage, for the audio enthusiast.
[10:37] <zequence> As a settable option. Not default
[10:37] <falktx_> zequence: sounds cool
[10:37] <falktx_> zequence: I already have the Cadence 0.8 version released, I'm just writing some docs to go with the release announcement
[10:37] <smartboyhw> zequence: falktx_: You mean we should rm PA from US KDE seeds
[10:38] <falktx_> smartboyhw: no, we should patch KDE packaging and software
[10:38] <falktx_> smartboyhw: kmix for example, it should *always* use the ALSA mixer backend, and never the pulseaudio one
[10:39] <falktx_> when you have JACK running, a pulseaudio mixer is useless
[10:39] <smartboyhw> falktx_: Heh. Let me ask the people if it is possible. (I am a *new* Kubuntu Member after all)
[10:39] <falktx_> you can't control the main volume, etc etc
[10:39] <falktx_> smartboyhw: ah, cool. I forgot that
[10:40] <falktx_> I think this is one of the many reasons Ubuntu should have some per-variant repos
[10:40] <falktx_> so that for example US could change specific apps to use JACK instead of ALSA or Pulse
[10:40] <smartboyhw> falktx_: Heh I am not supposing people to remember
[10:41] <zequence> I added a workitem for it in blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-s-desktop-kde
[10:42] <zequence> Would be good to get a good overview of the problem and also check with the Kubuntu devs
[10:42] <smartboyhw> zequence: I saw (via e-mail)
[10:42] <falktx_> zequence: note that very soon I'll be super busy, now that I have my projects mostly done I'm looking for a real job...
[10:42] <smartboyhw> zequence: You want to hope into #kubuntu-devel with me?
[10:42]  * falktx_ wishes writing FLOSS apps could be a full-time job
[10:43] <smartboyhw> falktx_: Good luck
[10:48]  * zequence wishes there were plenty of FLOSS devs, so that he could focus on making music
[10:48] <smartboyhw> zequence: Heh
[11:30] <smartboyhw_> Hello madeinkobaia:)
[11:32] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw_ : )
[11:32] <madeinkobaia> How are you ? :)
[11:34] <smartboyhw_> madeinkobaia: Great!
[11:36] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_ : : )
[11:41] <smartboyhw_> madeinkobaia and zequence: Someone posted a new wallpaper for Ubuntu Studio!
[11:42] <smartboyhw_> Meh, we can include many wallpapers in 13.10
[11:47] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_ : For sure, if its quality enough, we could add it. Where is this wallpaper visible ?
[11:48] <smartboyhw_> madeinkobaia: http://tmt78.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntustudio-wallpaper-358922939
[11:48] <smartboyhw_> You don't subscribe to our G+ community?
[11:52] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_: For sure, I even did the banner :P But I don't see nothing related to that...
[11:52] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_: Otherwise, thats a very good wp.
[11:53] <zequence> Nice WP in deed. Maybe something for the wallpaper collection for 13.10?
[11:55] <madeinkobaia> zequence, smartboyhw_ : My opinion is favorable ! :D
[11:56] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_: Where did you saw the information about this wp ? I don't find nothing : (
[11:57] <smartboyhw_> madeinkobaia: Ubuntu Studio G+ Community
[11:58] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_: Ops, sorry I get it now :)
[12:01] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw_ : Ok, my notifications was desactivated for the community.
[12:24] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Heh
[14:05] <len-1304> zequence, smartboyhw, Re. DE variants and PA etc. While there is a place for not having PA running, in general the desktop experience needs it.
[14:06] <len-1304> rather than fix all the mixers, it may be better to just not ship them.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> len-1304, ok
[14:07] <len-1304> My thought is that we have a mixer that is generic.
[14:08] <len-1304> Most of the mixers default to PA right now, but some of them can be forced to deal with HW from the commandline.
[14:10] <len-1304> I would suggest that trying to make everything desktop work with jack or ALSA would be a much bigger pain than dealing with PA properly.
[14:10] <len-1304> The audio community has a historical view where PA was bad 3 years ago and so it must still be bad.
[14:12] <len-1304> PA is still not perfect, but it is very usable from 13.04 and things that would make it better are on the list with the PA devs when they have time.
[14:14] <len-1304> USing ALSA as the desktop backend IMO would be a worse problem than PA because 50% or more of the good audio IFs are non-ALSA FIRWIRE devices.
[14:17] <len-1304> I would suggest that being able to disable the PA-jack bridge on the fly would do as much as shutting down PA would do.
[14:17] <len-1304> This is also easier to do.
[14:20] <len-1304> Also, if PA is used at all, pavucontrol still needs to be around.
[16:38] <holstein> !minimal
[17:32] <holstein> !register
[19:13] <zequence> len-1304: I think the problem you see is not the same as falktx described on KDE, where many applications were forced to use PA over alsa, and using no PA would make them crash or not work at all (that is the picture I got from falktx)
[19:13] <zequence> But, sure, the mixer problem is an interesing one
[19:13] <len-1304> zequence, desktop audio is PA
[19:13] <len-1304> there is really no getting around that
[19:14] <len-1304> Either people want desktop audio or they don't
[19:14] <len-1304> Re doing every piece of desktop SW to not use PA doesn't make sense
[19:14] <zequence> len-1304: I still think we are talking about two different subjects
[19:15] <len-1304> How so? The topic at the time was DEs
[19:17] <zequence> len-1304: PA is one audio server system. jack is another, and also ALSA. Making sure there is support for more than one is not a problem for anyone
[19:17] <len-1304> I don't know of any proaudio app that uses PA aside from audacity/LMMS
[19:18] <len-1304> I am not sure ALSA is a server so much as a device IF
[19:19] <zequence> You can run apps using pure ALSA, so it must be
[19:19] <len-1304> That doesn't make it a server.
[19:20] <len-1304> If we want to use Jack as the DE sound server... it needs a layer much like PA.
[19:21] <len-1304> The needs are not the same for the two kinds of apps (pro consumer
[19:21] <zequence> len-1304: Let me ask you. Are you opposing something? What are you arguing for, or agains?
[19:22] <len-1304> The ALSA IF, PA and Jack all fill a roll
[19:23] <len-1304> I am suggesting that when we include other DEs trying to make everything work without PA is a lot of work and probably not worth it.
[19:23] <zequence> It's up to whoever wants to do it. It won't cause a conflict for anyone
[19:23] <len-1304> Both gnome and KDE originally had their own sound server, because ALSA had short comings.
[19:24] <len-1304> Jack does not fill that gap either. PA at least is common to all of them (unity included)
[19:25] <len-1304> If someone wants to do these things fine, but US should not be thinking of them as "must haves"
[19:25] <zequence> We're not abandoning PA in any case
[19:26] <len-1304> Ya, it would break too many things
[19:26] <zequence> The questions was never on the table to begin with either
[19:27] <len-1304> I know there are a number of people who Hate PA, not only because of problems they have had with it in the past, but because they do not like the author
[19:27] <zequence> I don't care about the politics. I only care about making things work, and that you can do what you want to do
[19:27] <len-1304> The way things were phrased made it seem as if it was being said that the only way to include KDE was to redo any audio app that needed PA
[19:28] <zequence> The way it was phrased was that since there seems to be an interest for adding alsa support for some apps, that should be looked into
[19:28] <zequence> Had nothing to do with removing support for PA
[19:28] <len-1304> I would prefer to have a set of audio apps that do not need KDE/gnome/unity/XFCE to work, but still work well with all of them
[19:30] <zequence> Also, US is not one entity. I'm not sure where the lines should be drawn. You need some kind of driving force and vision, and that is something I will try to give during this next year, but I also feel that it's a do-ocracy, where people should feel free to do what they want to do, as long as they aren't breaking stuff for other people
[19:32] <len-1304> I guess I was reading more into lines like this:
 you're free to ask kubuntu guys if it's ok to remove pulseaudio support from their packages
[19:32] <len-1304> Than are meant.
[19:34] <zequence> Well, I was never going to suggest doing that
[19:36] <len-1304> He also meantioned Kmix as an example. I don't know that is a good replacement for pavucontrol. I would much prefer to have a proper ALSA mixer and pavucontrol no matter what DE is installed
[19:37] <len-1304> I guess what I am saying, is that we need to be careful where we put the line as to what is needed in each DE package
[19:37] <zequence> IMO, no existing mixer is a good all round mixer. I'd really like to create one for 14.04
[19:38] <zequence> One to rule them all, so to speak
[19:38] <zequence> One that recognizes what is installed, and/or running
[19:38] <zequence> Users should not need to know what is under the hood. It's a major pain in everything concerning audio
[19:40] <zequence> It might have been better if there was only one audio system, which was flexible enought to suit everyones needs
[19:41] <zequence> The user just wants to start their applications, set levels, and do routing
[19:42] <len-1304> Sounds nice
[19:43] <len-1304> It should not be that hard to at least detect ice1712/echo/rme/FW and start the right mixer for those.
[19:43] <len-1304> QAS is the best of the bunch I have seen so far, but it is not as good as it should be.
[19:44] <zequence> I never considered that approach actually. Just a generic mixer where the controls would change depending on what was running
[19:44] <len-1304> PA tries to do that by controling PA instead of the card
[19:44] <zequence> But, since some cards do benefit from special mixers, it would make sense to add them to the mix
[19:45] <zequence> HW levels are always needed, sure
[19:45] <zequence> And if not all visible, at least accessible from one control interface
[19:46] <len-1304> Yup, and alsamixer while mostly complete is not GUI and not easy to understand.