[14:35] <akis> de-facto: touch: cannot touch '/usr/share/applications/file': Permission denied
[14:35] <de-facto> exactly
[14:35] <n0had0> k1l_  ive used autoclean and clean to try and remove the package
[14:36] <thinky> k1l_: but it happens while i am running video with VLC player too
[14:36] <ecojustice> knuex a keyword search term that generally helps with unrecognized audio devices is: "an asound.conf file"
[14:36] <akis> de-facto: so this is solved as i guess. one more...now...if echo doesn't return anything what does it mean?
[14:36] <eein> hello. how can one correct dependency errors when a package has the wrong version listed as a dependency. in my case ruby 1 is being used when ruby 2 should
[14:37] <ecojustice> not a solution, just an idea. standby so some ubuntu devs can help
[14:37] <BluesKaj> thinky, your power settings, dim screen default times etc
[14:37] <thinky> BluesKaj: it is good to dim the screen but i dont want it while i am watching or listening something
[14:37] <aethelrick> thinky, have a look in settings->brightness & lock... is the "dim" option set?
[14:38] <de-facto> akis echo returns what you give it as argument so "echo" just returns a newline but "   echo 'some cool string'    " returns you  that string with a newline
[14:38] <thinky> yes it is on aethelrick
[14:38] <aethelrick> thinky, try turning it off and see if this helps
[14:38] <thinky> it is something ubuntu doesnt recognize while i am watching or listening that i am using the system
[14:39] <n0had0> k1l_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/16507200/
[14:39] <thinky> aethelrick: i dont want to disable screen dim option just it shouldnt dim while i am watching
[14:39] <BluesKaj> thinky, it will if there's no input device activity , mouse or KB
[14:40] <thinky> mouse and keyboard is working without problem
[14:40] <aethelrick> thinky, ubuntu does not know you're sat there if you're not doing anything with the mouse/keyboard. If your app does not tell ubuntu to refrain from dimming then you must (or poke a key every now and again)
[14:40] <k1l_> n0had0: your network got an issue with big files.
[14:40] <thinky> i already poke a key when it happens aethelrick but it is annoying..
[14:40] <n0had0> how can i be sure of this
[14:40] <k1l_> where bis is 30mb :/
[14:40] <k1l_> *big
[14:41] <n0had0> would downloading a larger file make a difference
[14:41] <de-facto> akis bash is very powerfull and can save you a lot of time, if you like you can read more about it on tutorials like those listed here http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/scripting/tutoriallist   also there is always #bash on freenode :)
[14:41] <somsip> thinky: it's not a mobile phone that can detect when you're looking at it. Give it input, or change the settings
[14:41] <n0had0> i just downloaded raspian
[14:41] <akis> de-facto: more specifically...after i gave the command we discussed already, i gave this command to in my /home/user/.local/share/applications/ : ln -s org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop file-roller.desktop but i didnt see any change or symlink, so i gave: ln -s org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop,file-roller.desktop and again no change. Then i gave as advise me : echo ln -s org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop,file-roller.desktop and no answer was given. what happe
[14:41] <akis> ned?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> thinky, then change the dim screen timing
[14:41] <somsip> n0had0: not supported here
[14:41] <k1l_> n0had0: try to load it here for your matching architecture: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/thunderbird
[14:41] <nickanon> Hello.. I am currently on ubuntu 15.04. I have separate root and home partition. I have downloaded 16.04. Can I install 16.04 only erasing root partition or I have to create a new partition table again?
[14:42] <thinky> somsip: how can i give it input?
[14:42] <thinky> by poking a button?
[14:42] <somsip> thinky: key or mouse, as you've been told
[14:42] <de-facto> akis you need full source paths for those
[14:42] <thinky> windows recognizes it
[14:42] <thinky> but ubuntu doesnt
[14:42] <somsip> thinky: no, it doesn't as you've been told
[14:42] <thinky> it s not about mobile
[14:43] <BluesKaj> nickanon, yes , but make sure you use manual partitoning (something else) and set the mountpoint for /home without formatting it
[14:43] <k1l_> n0had0: after that use "sudo dpkg-i packagename" to install that
[14:43] <thinky> windows recognizes pc is under use while i am watching
[14:43] <lyze> nickanon, why don't you just upgrade?
[14:43] <akis> de-facto: i was inside /home/user/.local/share/applications after cd
[14:43] <somsip> thinky: this isn't windows. It doesn't do that. As you've been told
[14:43] <n0had0> it wont even download....
[14:44] <thinky> ubuntu should fix this problem..
[14:44] <somsip> !bug | thinky
[14:44] <de-facto> akis so you "cd  /home/user/.local/share/applications/" then "ln -s /usr/share/applications/file-roller.desktop" and "ln -s /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop" then you can see those with "ls -l {org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop,file-roller.desktop}" (note the last is LS)
[14:44] <n0had0> but i just started downloading a 1gig file to see if its actually my net
[14:45] <mikeymop> hey guys
[14:45] <k1l_> n0had0: could be an dns or routing issue.
[14:45] <n0had0> 500mb downloaded so far
[14:45] <n0had0> 2 min left
[14:45] <n0had0> would it be a problem with the website do you think?
[14:46] <n0had0> can you download that file?
[14:46] <aethelrick> thinky, if I were you I would simply untick the box to dim the screen OR you could write a shell script to inhibit the screen saver when certain programs were running (like VLC etc)
[14:47] <k1l_> n0had0: had no issues with http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_38.8.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb
[14:47] <thinky> aethelrick: like caffein?
[14:48] <k1l_> thinky: it is working on ubuntu for real media players. like vlc or totem and such. its just that rubbish flash players in browser that is not working.
[14:48] <thinky> never mind
[14:48] <akis> de-facto: both files are there. i know that, but no symlink was created (actually now i dont want to create any symlink), just wondering want changes (if any) was done.
[14:48] <thinky> thanks for your advices
[14:48] <k1l_> thinky: and that is not a bug, its a feature. since you dont want to allow flash to have any access to your system since its a security issue
[14:49] <HackerII> ^
[14:49] <aethelrick> thinky, yes, just like caffiene
[14:49] <thinky> but k1l_ nowadays online streaming websites using html5 instead of flash
[14:49] <k1l_> thinky: not all.
[14:49] <thinky> yep not all
[14:50] <thinky> i just checked current website i was trying to watch lol
[14:50] <thinky> it is flash !
[14:50] <thebishop> hi all.  i'm reading that bumblebee is no longer the best solution for Optimus/Prime on Ubuntu.  is that true?  do i need to logout/login to use nvidia now?
[14:51] <de-facto> akis if you invoke ln like "ln -s /path/to/source" it creates a symlink under the same name in current directory (source), if you invoke it with one more argument you can create under different name like "ln -s /path/to/source /path/to/symlink"
[14:51] <k1l_> thebishop: ubuntu uses the official nvidia driver: nvidia-prime since some time
[14:54] <thebishop> k1l_: two things about that.  #1: it's limited by whatever version is packaged for apt install.  #2: nvidia-prime can't do hybrid graphics properly.  you can't selectively launch an app on the gpu.  you have to logout and log back into an nvidia desktop session
[14:54] <BluesKaj> thinky, even youtube still uses flash with some videos despite their highly advertized switch to HTML5
[14:56] <k1l_> thebishop: afaik nvidia-prime can launch apps differently. but i cant test that since i dont have that hardware.
[14:56] <k1l_> thebishop: and ubuntu ships nvdia-prime matching the nvidia drivers in the repos.
[14:57] <thebishop> k1l_: hmm, maybe it's been improved. i'll give it a shot. ok so it's still limited by the repos which are often a few releases behind nvidia
[14:57] <k1l_> thebishop: you can still ask nvidia for support for their website drivers.
[14:58] <thebishop> :)
[14:59] <de-facto> thebishop you can try to use some of https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=xenial   but those might be unstable and unsupported, so using those might not be the best idea
[15:00] <akis> de-facto: one more think, and thanks in advance for your time today. because i had some issues with thunar-archive-plugin i recently did sudo apt-get purge thunar-archive-plugin and then i create some custom actions to enable archive facilities through Thunar. My question is if sudo apt-get purge thunar-archive-plugin was deleted ay file that it has to do with this plug in or there is any chance for any left back?
[15:00] <n0had0> k1l_ what was that command to install the .deb
[15:00] <thebishop> de-facto: looks promising, thanks
[15:01] <k1l_> n0had0: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/packaname.deb
[15:01] <de-facto> thebishop again, you might be on your own using those though
[15:01] <n0had0> cheers
[15:01] <thebishop> de-facto: i always am ;)
[15:01] <n0had0> so i have a question
[15:01] <n0had0> i could not download an update
[15:02] <n0had0> until i tried through a vpn
[15:02] <n0had0> wtf is happening
[15:03] <de-facto> akis "sudo apt-get purge <package name>" or "sudo apt-get remove --purge <package name>" will remove that package plus its configuration see "man apt-get"
[15:04] <n0had0> anyone?
[15:05] <akis> de-facto: the same i know, but i just wanted a confirmation that no package's relevant files are still in the system
[15:05] <Glenn>  How to setup multiple WLAN
[15:05] <k1l_> either your routing is broken, or your dns is broken, or your firewall is making issues, n0had0
[15:06] <de-facto> akis if that command succeeded, then yes the config for that package is gone
[15:06] <n0had0> k1l_ what i dont get is it was only an issue with that one security file
[15:07] <n0had0> literally nothing else
[15:07] <n0had0> so im curious how you come to that conclusion
[15:07] <k1l_> n0had0: the rest was not from the security servers
[15:08] <akis> de-facto: ok, nice to read this. thank you for all your kind advices. is there any command to see the last changes on the system?
[15:09] <platter> n0had0 is it possible the file was wrongly cached by your isp?
[15:09] <de-facto> akis "cat /var/log/apt/history.log"
[15:10] <n0had0> wouldnt even know how to find out
[15:10] <n0had0> so ill go with yes
[15:10] <n0had0> 'probably'
[15:12] <de-facto> akis its very nice that you learn the terminal cli ways, those are very usefull even if you dont have a GUI, but there are also very good gui tools for doing that like "synaptic" for managing packages and many more things, and "gdebi" for installing <package>.deb if you happen to have downloaded a package. but always be carefull if you add things not in the default repos, you trust the builders of such packages with root access to your system
[15:13] <akis> de-facto: your advices are very useful indeed. how much time takes to the system to answer the command "cat /var/log/apt/history.log?
[15:13] <somsip> akis: depends how long it is
[15:14] <Archeus_> how to update graphic drivers ?
[15:14] <Glenn> How to configure multiples lan
[15:16] <Archeus_> how to update graphic drivers ?
[15:16] <de-facto> akis instantly
[15:16] <k1l_> Archeus_: what drivers and why?
[15:16] <rofltech> Archeus_: same way you update the rest of your software usually if on proprietary you can also grab them from nvidia/ati too.
[15:16] <Archeus_> inter graphic drivers
[15:17] <Archeus_> intel
[15:17] <k1l_> Archeus_: they are inside the linux kernel. so you dont need to do stuff.
[15:17] <Archeus_> wht ?
[15:17] <Archeus_> i dont understand
[15:17] <Pici> Archeus_: why do you think you need to update your drivers?
[15:17] <Archeus_> i need to play a game
[15:17] <k1l_> Archeus_: intel includes the drivers into the linux kernel. so you dont need to load stuff yourself.
[15:18] <Archeus_> http://www.newerth.com/smf/index.php/topic,17598.msg193858.html#msg193858
[15:18] <Archeus_> 7th step
[15:18] <Glenn> Did some now something about wireless networking
[15:19] <de-facto> Glenn i guess you can use many WLAN at once (never did that) but i also guess the system woudl use the last one you setup then
[15:19] <k1l_> Archeus_: what is the output of "uname -a"?
[15:19] <Archeus_> wht a sex
[15:19] <Archeus_> sec
[15:19] <Archeus_> sry
[15:20] <Archeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16507858/
[15:20] <Glenn> de-facto:  I have at home two network suss
[15:20] <k1l_> Archeus_: and do you have any issues? with that game?
[15:20] <nacc> those steps seem out of date? I don't think you need to install anything from Intel for their graphics cards
[15:20] <Archeus_> in the game
[15:20] <Archeus_> i cant see stuff
[15:20] <k1l_> Archeus_: what is the output of "lsb_release -d"?
[15:21] <Archeus_> w8
[15:21] <Archeus_> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[15:21] <Archeus_> this is the outcome
[15:21] <k1l_> Archeus_: you are using the 15.04 backports kernel. you could use the latest enablement stack kernel and xorg
[15:22] <k1l_> !hwe | Archeus_
[15:22] <de-facto> Glenn afaik LAN takes priority over WLAN but you might be able to use multiple WLAN at once if your card supports it http://askubuntu.com/questions/488588/how-do-i-connect-to-multiple-wifi-networks
[15:22] <user_> 123
[15:22] <de-facto> Glenn but again i never did that, so i dont really know
[15:22] <Archeus_> ah how to do tht stuff ?
[15:22] <nacc> k1l_: isn't that the latest (14.04.4)? 14.04.5 will come out post 16.04.1, iirc
[15:22] <k1l_> Archeus_: read the wiki page, ir explains it
[15:22] <nacc> k1l_: 14.04.4 is the wily lts
[15:23] <nacc> wily lts enablement stack
[15:23] <k1l_> nacc: that numbers dont have anything to do with the kernel stack used.
[15:23] <Glenn> Ho now to connect the wlan to one off the two said
[15:23] <k1l_> nacc: its just the new isos have the kernel. but a 14.04.1 iso installed will become a 14.04.4 with the updates. but will have the old kernel stack.
[15:24] <nacc> k1l_: really? that seems ... confusing and terrible. BUt i see their uname output now and will shutup :)
[15:24] <k1l_> this is a bit confusing and i dont know how to solve that
[15:24] <de-facto> Glenn i guess just using settings > network (the network manager) on those?
[15:24] <nacc> k1l_: yeah, lsb_release is saying you are current with the repository, not that you have that particular stack installed; interesting
[15:24] <k1l_> because most LTS users/admins will grab the pitchforks if you upgrade their kernel stack with regular updates :X
[15:25] <nacc> yep, absolutely
[15:25] <nacc> no, it makes sense, but then triage is a pain :)
[15:25] <Archeus_> so i should follow those steps ?
[15:25] <Archeus_> i mean this command ?
[15:25] <Archeus_>  sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily
[15:25] <Danielh90> Want web server do you guys recommend I use on Ubuntu?
[15:26] <Pici> Danielh90: Unless you need to do something special, apache works just fine.
[15:26] <nacc> Danielh90: the primary alternative is probably nginx
[15:26] <Danielh90> nacc, is nginx simple to use?
[15:27] <k1l_> Archeus_: since i guess you run the 64bit desktop use the "multiarch" line
[15:27] <Archeus_> ohk k
[15:27] <Pici> Danielh90: I find Apache's documentation to be much better than nginx's.
[15:27] <Glenn> Some network specialist here
[15:27] <Danielh90> Pici, Ok
[15:28] <k1l_> Archeus_: i guess you have enabled 32bit arch for wine and stuff?
[15:28] <Archeus_> hmm
[15:28] <Archeus_> idk ?
[15:28] <nacc> Danielh90: i think there is *more* apache documentation than there is for nginx. For basic setups, it's probably easiest to use apache. nginx has some more advanced features and performance, ostensibly.
[15:29] <Danielh90> nacc, oh ok. I know you can setup a rtmp server with nignx. I may just start with Apache's web server and if I need to niginx learn it.
[15:29] <nacc> Danielh90: that seems reasonable :)
[15:30] <Danielh90> nacc, and Pici  Thank you for your help.
[15:30] <nacc> Danielh90: apache is a good technology to understand, and probably makes the migration to nginx easier
[15:31] <Archeus_> btw k1l how to check for tht ?
[15:35] <Canopus> Good afternoon. I upgraded Ubuntu MATE in my raspberry pi 2 to the 16.04 version. Apparently, everything went ok but when the lightdm-kde-greeter screen appears, I note that my keyboard and mouse don't work.
[15:35] <odroid> hi
[15:36] <kyle__> Is anyone else experiencing 16.04 freezing on battery low, but suspending fine when closing the lid?
[15:39] <freerider> hi
[15:40] <freerider> currently running ubuntu-gnome 16.04
[15:40] <freerider> and I get Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
[15:40] <freerider> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[15:40] <vcntbydsgn> how do you theme qt apps in gnome?
[15:40] <freerider>  Error: cannot open display: :1
[15:41] <vcntbydsgn> i mean make qt apps also use the gtk themes (Arc)
[15:41] <freerider> this error happen when I try to start a gui from the terminal with docker
[15:41] <OerHeks> isn't mir supposed to run from login/ubuntu?
[15:41] <freerider> Has someone here got the problem?
[15:42] <OerHeks> mir/unity8
[15:42] <Glenn> How have configured two said
[15:43] <freerider> the thing is I'm running ubuntu-gnome and Mir should not be installed at all
[15:43] <freerider> even on vanilla ubuntu I think
[15:43] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop
[15:44] <OerHeks> that ishow you get the preview
[15:44] <OerHeks> c/is how
[15:45] <OerHeks> !mir
[15:45] <OerHeks> !unity8
[15:49] <Canopus> I have ssh access to the RPi2 and network connection, so maybe I can fix the keyboard and mouse issues from the command line
[15:49] <Canopus> I tried removing and reinstalling xserver-xorg-input-all, but it's still the same
[15:50] <Canopus> my keyboard and mouse are detected (I can see that from the dmesg output). It's just that they don't work
[15:51] <jonny5000> hello, i have 14.04 installed on a lenovo yoga 13. touchscreen has worked flawlessly for a year and now all of a sudden, for no apparent reason its not working at all.  can anyone help?
[15:53] <damien__> Hi all. I don't what is the exact english term for "trousseau de connexion" (login passwords wallet ?) but I'm trying to add an account to Empathy, and it wants me to unlock this wallet. Problem is that it asks me a password and I don't what one it's asking (not my user password...). Any idea ?
[15:53] <damien__> "I don't KNOW** what is the exact name"
[15:54] <davidmichaelkarr> I'm again looking for help with my odd mic input problem on 15.10 and 16.04, but not 14.04. From these VMs, I run VMWare Horizon View to connect to a Win7 HVD and try to use my USB headset for input and output.  The mic input works on 14.04, but not 15.10 and 16.04.
[15:56] <damien__> Must I create a new wallet ?
[15:57] <damien__> I try to create a new passwords wallet, but the windows is stuck after entering wallet name and clicking "Valid"
[16:01] <damien__> with 2000 people, this channel looks like it's dead o.O Mint channel has 300 people and help is given every second :(
[16:03] <bazhang> damien__, are you on mint
[16:04] <nacc> !patience | damien__
[16:04] <damien__> no I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 but I sometimes help people on Mint
[16:04] <genii> damien__: When there are no support questions being asked, that is a good thing. It means no one is having a problem at the moment.
[16:04] <rcw2> damien__, have you gotten your system up to date with apt-get update & upgrade
[16:04] <nacc> damien__: it's almost certainly your wallet's password, right?
[16:04] <bazhang> damien__, well keep in mind people will answer if they are able
[16:05] <damien__> I'm used with IRC channels, don't worry. I'm just surprised to see so less activity here.
[16:05] <rcw2> damien__, this isn't always "live real-time chat" .... a lot of times it starts out as something between a situation where you post on a forum and live realtime chat
[16:05] <brunch875> join #bash
[16:05] <damien__> nacc, I never entered a wallet password, what is the procedure to give one ?
[16:05] <brunch875> whoops forgot the slash
[16:05] <jonny5000> hello, i have 14.04 installed on a lenovo yoga 13. touchscreen has worked flawlessly for a year and now all of a sudden, for no apparent reason its not working at all.  can anyone help?
[16:06] <nacc> damien__: /me assumed you had to create a password when you created the wallet, but honestly don't know
[16:06] <akis> hi again. this command : sudo find  -mtime -1 what searches exactly? i mean how old files?
[16:07] <damien__> Wallet is asking a password, I enter mine, it says "bad password"
[16:07] <nacc> damien__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/9905/how-to-prevent-empathy-from-asking-keyring-password-on-every-start
[16:07] <nacc> damien__: in the answer there, there's a suggestion for changing a wallet's password, i think
[16:07] <Cursed_God> damien__: try to use pass that you use for login
[16:07] <damien__> nacc, it's not a problem at startup, problem is that I can't create an Empathy Google account without to give the unknown password
[16:07] <damien__> Cursed_God, that's the first and only password I tried
[16:08] <nacc> damien__: i think it's still applicable, could you read what i suggested and try?
[16:08] <damien__> Maybe the problem is related with autologin ?
[16:08] <galgamach> hello... I did something with unity tweak tool which I can' remember and now my side bar and everything actually is gone. All I see i the desktop background picture. Any way to fix this?
[16:08] <damien__> ok nacc I look
[16:08] <nacc> damien__: do you use autologin?
[16:08] <damien__> nacc, yes
[16:08] <nacc> damien__: that's explicitly mentioned on that page
[16:09] <nacc> damien__: and gives the appropriate workarounds
[16:10] <damien__> nacc, does the security issue with empty wallet password is only for people having a physical access to my computer ?
[16:12] <damien__> Actually I can't empty the password cause it asks for a previous password I never gave. Will try to remove autologin, reboot and see...
[16:13] <nacc> damien__: i thnk there's a response and answer for how to change the password if you don't know the current password
[16:13] <nacc> damien__: but yeah, testing w/o autologin would be a good first check
[16:14] <damien__> reboot...
[16:14] <Canopus> Anyone could help me with my keyboard and and mouse issues?
[16:16] <galgamach> anyone?
[16:16] <Canopus> it's annoying to see the login screen and have to reinstall the whole system just because I can't type my user and password
[16:16] <jonny5000> am i being ignored?
[16:16] <nacc> !patience | jonny5000
[16:17] <nacc> jonny5000: 'all of a sudden' issues are rarely that, ime. Did you recently do any updates or reboots?
[16:17] <jonny5000> nacc, no i did not.
[16:17] <jonny5000> i made no changes at all
[16:17] <jonny5000> nacc, thank you for your attention
[16:17] <nacc> jonny5000: so you've not installed any of the security updates etc for 14.04?
[16:18] <jonny5000> nacc, when i look at the devices in xinput, the touchscreen doesnt show up.  i am not sure if it used to though
[16:18] <de-facto> Canopus maybe take a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? errors are filtered by "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[16:18] <jonny5000> nacc, the last update i did was probably weeks ago
[16:18] <jonny5000> this issue just arose today when i powered up
[16:19] <nacc> jonny5000: `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade`, does it indicate anything is available to udpate?
[16:19] <nacc> jonny5000: you just said you hadn't rebooted anytime recently
[16:19] <jonny5000> nacc, issue first surfaced after waking from suspend
[16:19] <realtime> I just got a fresh host with 16.04 LTS. I want to turn on ufw. 'ufw enable' says it might block em off ssh. if I first do a 'ufw allow ssh' and then 'ufw enable', will it work and I'll keep connected, or the rules will be reset or something, losing my access on 22 and blocking me out of the server?
[16:20] <jonny5000> nacc, i have rebooted since, thinking maybe that would help
[16:20] <jonny5000> nacc, updater is now updating a raft of things but it is hooribly slow (i am on an airplane)
[16:20] <nacc> jonny5000: i would see if that fixes things
[16:21] <nacc> jonny5000: generally, it's not a good idea to go weeks at a time without updating
[16:21] <nacc> jonny5000: you stop getting support when you do that, since you're out of date :)
[16:21] <nacc> jonny5000: are you using any of the hwe stacks?
[16:21] <Canopus> de-facto, thanks. I get 3 errors but none of them seems to be related with my usb devices
[16:21] <jonny5000> nacc, thank you.  i will be more diligent what is a hwe stack
[16:21] <Canopus> * seem
[16:21] <nacc> !hwe | jonny5000
[16:22] <nacc> jonny5000: `uname -a` and `lsb_release -a` will tell us (pastebin the output)
[16:24] <Guest53141> OK, so for the story, I had to create a new wallet. The existing one (installed by default) was still asking an unknown password even after deleting ~/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring. It seems there is a little ergonomics problem, or it's not enough explained by GUI. Maybe I should report this somewhere ?
[16:24] <OerHeks> don't update the airplane..
[16:24] <dadidado> when I tried the <alt> menu a long time ago, the menus presented expended to system ones when the keyword was not found in the current window
[16:24] <de-facto> Canopus do your input devices show up in that file (like being registered correctly and all)?
[16:24] <dadidado> is there any way to have that back ?
[16:24] <dadidado> I searched for hud options and appmenu options, but didn't find anything
[16:25] <dadidado> and does someone know the exact name of the <alt> menu ? appmenu/globalmenu/hud ?
[16:26] <arunkumar413> Hi All, I'm tyring to install eclipse che on ubuntu 14.04 server by following this guide: https://eclipse-che.readme.io/docs/configuration-che-on-ec2. In the last command what should be the IP address? Is it the IP of the machine where the eclipse che is running or the ip address form where the che is accessed?
[16:27] <jonny5000> nacc, tthanks. http://pastebin.com/z6FwpLKv
[16:28] <screen22> hello?
[16:28] <screen22> plz help
[16:29] <screen22> I did something with my mouse maybe...
[16:29] <lyze> !ask | screen22
[16:29] <screen22> and now the screen is moving with the mouse movement
[16:29] <lyze> which distro?
[16:30] <lyze> ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu ... and which desktop environment: unity, xfce, ...
[16:30] <lyze> screen22,  ↑
[16:30] <screen22> xubuntu
[16:30] <screen22> the default DW
[16:30] <screen22> DE*
[16:30] <lyze> press alt mwheel up or down
[16:30] <jonny5000> nacc, did you see my paste?
[16:30] <nacc> jonny5000: on the phone, one sec
[16:31] <screen22> lyze, thats not working?
[16:31] <lyze> screen22, any other mod. key (ctrl, shift or so)? Xfce has a default zoom feature
[16:32] <screen22> the mouse wheel is a bit weird, sometimes when I'm on my browser when trying to scroll up or down, instead, I end up zooming in or out on the page
[16:32] <screen22> and then having to do CTRL+ - or + depending on what I did
[16:32] <lyze> Ok then use ctrl + mwheel c;
[16:32] <screen22> oh shoot, sorry... when you said alt + wheel I tried shift+wheel
[16:32] <screen22> but yeah alt+wheel worked
[16:32] <screen22> thanks
[16:33] <lyze> Ah nice
[16:33] <screen22> do you have any suggestions as to why that zooming out/in thing is happening on web pages? is it that the mouse is old or???
[16:33] <screen22> and when I try to replicate what happened it doesn't work
[16:34] <screen22> lyze, ^
[16:34] <lyze> No, not really, sorry … perhaps the ctrl key gets sometimes pressed acidentally? or is stick?
[16:34] <screen22> hmmm
[16:34] <screen22> yeah that could be or has to be it
[16:35] <screen22> because this laptop's ctrl key isn't that great I have to let go of it and press it again.... can't keep holding it and pressing other keys for a long time
[16:36] <jmadero> hi all - how can I run fsck if my system won't boot up?
[16:36] <jmadero> I believe I'm hitting this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1339249
[16:36] <jmadero> but can't figure out how to run fsck if I can't actually get to a terminal
[16:38] <jon_> nacc, i think i got bumped from xchat.  this is the guy with the touchscreen issue
[16:39] <realtime> I just got a fresh host with 16.04 LTS. I want to turn on ufw. 'ufw enable' says it might block me off ssh. if I first do a 'ufw allow ssh' and then 'ufw enable', will it work and I'll keep connected, or the rules will be reset or something, losing my access on 22 and blocking me out of the server?
[16:40] <OerHeks> !fsck | jmadero but maybe mint has other features, ask their channel?
[16:40] <jesus_> ola
[16:40] <jmadero> OerHeks: I'm actually not running mint but it is indeed that bug, just verified that
[16:40] <jesus_> alguien  por aqui
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> !es | jesus_
[16:41] <OerHeks> jmadero, oh, i read "encrypted block devices" ,... not sure filecheck handles that..
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> realtime: perhaps the #netfilter guys can help?
[16:42] <jmadero> OerHeks: looks like it's a combination of two problems - one is that system time was set way in the future, the other is soemthing about mounting the ntfs drive
[16:42]  * jmadero thinks that a Windows update did something funny
[16:44] <realtime> lotuspsychje, thanks, I'll try there as well
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> !ufw | realtime
[16:45] <jmadero> is there a way to edit fstab if I can't boot into my system? Since root is disabled, I can't access it by grub's recovery mode
[16:47] <RandomUser2345> how do i get lubuntu to change keyboard layout?
[16:47] <RandomUser2345> can't seem to figure it out
[16:47] <RandomUser2345> i want to be able to type polish characters
[16:48] <jmadero> RandomUser2345: did you install the language?
[16:48] <RandomUser2345> jmadero: I installed it now
[16:49] <jmadero> RandomUser2345: http://askubuntu.com/questions/512987/how-to-change-input-language
[16:49] <RandomUser2345> jmadero: It's lubuntu, not ubuntu
[16:50] <jmadero> sorry then I have no idea
[16:50] <jmadero> try their chat
[16:51] <streetwitch> I can't get the internal microphone to work on my HP stream 11.  The sound card us realtech
[16:51] <de-facto> RandomUser2345 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/LanguageSupport
[16:52] <de-facto> streetwitch try alsamixer from terminal
[16:53] <streetwitch> Right now I'm reinstalling Ubuntu studio.  It is almost done
[16:54] <de-facto> no idea about that, uses another sound daemon?
[16:54] <jmadero> looks like a W10 update borks Grub/fstab.....go figure
[16:54] <streetwitch> Sound daemon?
[16:55] <de-facto> like pulseaudio with alsa backend or such? i heard studio uses jack or something else?
[16:56] <streetwitch> Ooh I thought this was ubuntustudio
[16:57] <arunkumar413> I'm supposed to run four commands listed here: http://pastebin.com/TvcXeu1T The first command opens a vi editor. How should I run the remaining commands
[16:57] <cryptomonk> how can you make a reverse ssh tunnel exposed to the outside world?
[16:59] <nacc> jon_: ok, one sec
[16:59] <nacc> k1l_: based upon http://pastebin.com/z6FwpLKv, jon_ is also on the vivid lts stack?
[17:00] <nacc> jon_: if so, i'd recommend moving to the wily hwe stack and see if it just fixes things
[17:01] <de-facto> arunkumar413 vi is a command line file editor you can also use nano for gedit for that, then put those export lines in that, save it and source it
[17:02] <arunkumar413> de-facto: I should run these on the server. There is not gui editor
[17:02] <de-facto> then use either vi or nano
[17:03] <de-facto> arunkumar413 nano might be easier to start with, use arrow keys to go to end of file, type the export lines, hit Ctrl + O to writen hit Ctrl + X to save
[17:08] <Canopus> oh, seems that de-facto left the channel... here was my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/Rg5P2zqt he was asking for
[17:12] <Canopus> my keyboard and mouse are detected by they don't work in my graphical login
[17:14] <Canopus> any suggestion?
[17:15] <jmadero> Canopus: how about giving more info about your setup
[17:15] <jmadero> laptop/desktop/model/etc..
[17:16] <Canopus> it's a raspberry pi 2. it had ubuntu 15.10. when I upgraded to ubuntu 16.04, happened this
[17:16] <jmadero> Canopus: running Ubuntu? or some spinoff?
[17:16] <Canopus> RPi 2 Model B+
[17:16] <Canopus> to be more  precise
[17:17] <jmadero> model of keyboard and mouse - also are you running Ubuntu itself or something like raspbian?
[17:17] <Canopus> I installed it last year from the official site of Raspberry Pi, an image of Ubuntu MATE designed for the RPi
[17:17] <jmadero> Canopus: probably get better assistance in the RPi chat
[17:18] <Canopus> both the mouse and the keyboard are Kolke
[17:19] <Canopus> I'll ask there..
[17:22] <Canopus> it's a pitty because I had several daemons running..
[17:22] <Canopus> and they're still running correctly
[17:22] <jonny5000> nacc, i am back
[17:22] <jonny5000> nacc, are you there
[17:22] <Canopus> now I can use it only through ssh
[17:22] <nacc> jonny5000: yeah
[17:23] <jmadero> Canopus: yes, the RPi is a unique beast
[17:23] <jmadero> I tend to say don't upgrade it unless you have a strong compelling reason to
[17:23] <Canopus> yeah, I shouldn't have upgraded..
[17:23] <jmadero> Canopus: and always have a backup image available.....
[17:24] <jmadero> I try to image mine once a month
[17:24] <Canopus> although everything seems fine
[17:24] <Canopus> it's just that I can't use the keyboard and the mouse
[17:24] <jmadero> Canopus: yeah since it's not true Ubuntu (it's some spinoff build just for RPi) it's hard to get help here
[17:24] <jmadero> I've never thought of running Ubuntu on my Pi - I run a much more slim build
[17:25] <Canopus> jmadero, I used one of these images: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-for-raspberry-pi-3/
[17:25] <jmadero> Canopus: yeah I'm saying you should have your own backup image
[17:25] <jmadero> especially prior to an upgrade
[17:25] <Canopus> how can I create a backup image?
[17:25] <jmadero> dd command
[17:26] <Canopus> Yep
[17:27] <Canopus> I have ssh, ftp, web, znc servers... everything continue working after the upgrade.
[17:27] <Canopus> my only problem is with the mouse and the keyboard
[17:27] <jmadero> yes we all understand that
[17:29] <jonny5000> nacc, keep getting cut off... back now
[17:30] <nacc> jonny5000: so i thik you've got the vivid hwe lts kernel installed. Would be good to try with the wily stack (see that wiki page)
[17:32] <jonny5000> nacc, thx.  but what can explain the touchscreen disappearing from xinput.
[17:32] <nacc> jonny5000: alternatively, run `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` and make sure you are current.
[17:32] <jonny5000> nacc, just unrecognized or accounted for in the xinput list.  and now that i look closely, the other numbers are off by one, so touchscreen was there before, then all of a sudden not
[17:33] <nacc> jonny5000: i don't know off the top of my head, but you said you suspend and resumed, i think the yogas have some issues in that space (particularly with the input devices). And if you rebooted, mabye you're in a different kernel now?
[17:34] <TJ-> jonny5000: sounds and smells like an ACPI issue if suspend is the trigger
[17:35] <jonny5000> nacc, its funny, you know.  i have experienced the touchpad not coming on after reboot, but the funny thing is that the workaround i identified is to suspend and then resume when that happens, then presto, toujchpad is there!  so it actually does better in that regard waking up than booting up
[17:36] <jonny5000> nacc, meaning, I reliably get all the inputs working when waking from sleep as opposed to boot up.  even if the boot up didnt get them all right.
[17:36] <jonny5000> TJ-, i dont think suspend was the trigger necessarily
[17:37] <nacc> jonny5000: but getting different results from suspsend and cold boot implies probably ACPI or other low-level issues
[17:37] <jonny5000> nacc, TJ- ahh.  now i understand that i dont understand!
[17:37] <jonny5000> what does someone do when there is a low level ACPI issue?
[17:38] <nacc> jonny5000: does your device get detected by the kernel anymore (`dmesg | grep -i elan`, iirc
[17:38] <neyderdroid> hello there
[17:38] <nacc> jonny5000: check for BIOS updates, sometimes if it's actively being worked on upstream (e.g., skylake support), newer versions may have better support (which is another reason to try the latest hwe stack, potentially)
[17:40] <TJ-> jonny5000: The *most* common cause is a firmware bug done deliberately by the manufacturer. They write the ACPI DSDT code to only enable all features when the host OS is Windows. We have a workaround that sometimes works which is to have the Linux kernel tell the DSDT it is actually Windows.
[17:41] <neyderdroid> ping jose
[17:41] <TJ-> jonny5000: for example, on the PC I'm using now, an Asus T300CHI, if that isn't done the ACPI DSDT does *not* enable power for the touchscreen interface
[17:41] <jonny5000> nacc, TJ- how can i do either of those... trick the bios or use a different hwe
[17:41] <TJ-> jonny5000: you want to give it a go now?
[17:42] <jonny5000> TJ-, sure
[17:42] <nacc> jonny5000: the link i pasted before shows how to use the hwe stacks, you can also try the bios trick
[17:42] <TJ-> jonny5000: "pastebinit <( sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows )"
[17:42] <nacc> jonny5000: my thinking right now is that your system just "happened" to work before ...
[17:42] <jonny5000> TJ-, if it doesnt involve extensive downloads... i am on an airplane with limited bandwidth and power
[17:43] <TJ-> jonny5000: no downloads, simply editing the kernel command line that GRUB uses
[17:43] <egsome> I'm thinking in creating a simple application which hooks into Apport to trach program crashes and retrieve possible solutions from AskUbuntu and other websites. What do You think about that ?
[17:43] <nacc> TJ-: that's basically extracting the valid windows OSI fields?
[17:43] <egsome> *track
[17:43] <TJ-> jonny5000: only need the pastebin to see which Windows strings the DSDT recognises
[17:43] <TJ-> nacc: yup
[17:44] <nacc> egsome: i think it's a great idea if it can be done :)
[17:44] <nacc> egsome: within reason for "other websites"
[17:44] <nacc> egsome: although then you get into the questions of "where is data about my computer going?"
[17:44] <egsome> nacc, I can do it, but would like to know how people think about it before proceeding.
[17:44] <nacc> egsome: this isn't really the right place for that -- maybe #ubuntu-devel ?
[17:44] <egsome> nacc, It will be opensource application, anybody can see the code or build it.
[17:44] <TJ-> egsome: that's what launchpad does though, it collates identical apport crash reports into the same bug
[17:45] <nacc> egsome: that, generally, isn't the issue
[17:45] <nacc> egsome: but you'll see once you work on it :)
[17:45] <jonny5000> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/7xeSC5G3
[17:45] <egsome> TJ-, My idea is about getting possible solutions from AskUbuntu and other websites, instead of just reporting the bug.
[17:46] <egsome> nacc, Maybe :), And thanks for #ubuntu-devel, just posted the same there.
[17:46] <TJ-> egsome: so, have your application use the Launchpad API to hunt down the reports and bugs, and then correlate them to AskUbuntu and other places? I'd love to see that kind of functionality
[17:47] <rahul_kummi> the man pages in my system have gone weird some time now
[17:47] <TJ-> jonny5000: so it looks as if the latest would be "Windows 2012" - generally the DSDT code enables the most functionalty for the latest version it supports
[17:47] <nacc> rahul_kummi: be more specific?
[17:47] <rahul_kummi> like thwy just mention the description to the options but not the options
[17:48] <egsome> TJ-, That wouldn't be extending for Apport then, it would be a parallel website ?
[17:48] <TJ-> jonny5000: "sudo sed -i 's/^|(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)"/\1 acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\\"Windows 2012\\" "/' /etc/default/grub "
[17:48] <nacc> rahul_kummi: can you pastebin an example?
[17:48] <rahul_kummi> yeah i am posting a screenshot
[17:48] <TJ-> egsome: or a local tool that queries a remotely located database (doesn't have to have a 'web' site although that's a nice addition)
[17:49] <TJ-> jonny5000: hold on! typo!
[17:49] <jonny5000> too late!
[17:49] <TJ-> jonny5000: "sudo sed -i 's/^\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)"/\1 acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\\"Windows 2012\\" "/' /etc/default/grub "
[17:49] <rahul_kummi> nacc:http://imgur.com/1f97FU2
[17:50] <jonny5000> nacc, done
[17:50] <TJ-> jonny5000: oh, it probably failed. do "grep GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= /etc/default/grub" and it should still be empty
[17:50] <nbusrone> how do I disable screensaver for certain application running at background ? like chrome browser watching youtube ?
[17:51] <jonny5000> TJ-, It returned this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2012\" "
[17:51] <nbusrone> how do I limit my network bandwidth ?
[17:51] <glass> should be under system settings and then maybe privacy and or display
[17:51] <OerHeks> rahul_kummi, , it is your theme, highlighted words are not printed
[17:51] <glass> and what are you wanting to limit the total download or total upload?
[17:51] <jonny5000> TJ-, now what
[17:52] <TJ-> jonny5000: oh, you must have typed the command correctly despite my typo!! Anyhow, that is correct so now do "sudo update-grub" to write the setting to GRUB's config file
[17:52] <nacc> OerHeks: thanks
[17:52] <rahul_kummi> oh okay,than you OerHeks
[17:52] <OerHeks> rahul_kummi, file a bug against it, not sure what terminal/theme that is
[17:52] <jonny5000> TJ-, done
[17:52] <jonny5000> next?
[17:53] <rahul_kummi> sure
[17:53] <TJ-> jonny5000: next time the PC reboots it'll add that to the kernel command-line. After booting if you do "cat /proc/cmdline" you'll see it. If you check 'dmesg' output you should also see a line similar to "ACPI: Added _OSI(Windows 2012)"
[17:53] <rahul_kummi> OerHeks,
[17:53] <TJ-> jonny5000: then you test and find out if the hardware behaves any better with that set
[17:53] <egsome> TJ-, Then what is the difference between this idea and the one I told at the beginning ? I mean if it is just a local tool that queries a website, it is the same !
[17:54] <jonny5000> TJ-, rebooting now
[17:55] <TJ-> egsome: querying a remote database doesn't require a web-site, so its fast to test and develop for. A local tool that integrates with apport and the launchpad API to find bugs *and* related articles with possible workarounds/fixes would be a first step to proving it, *then* build a web-site around it (developing a useful web-site will likely take longer than getting the backend tooling working well)
[17:57] <jonny5000> TJ-, no change
[17:57] <TJ-> egsome: the thing is with good bug-support tooling the articles it links to need to be high quality and relevant, which imples some curating too. Without that, too many poor or irrelevant results and people would stop using it.
[17:57] <TJ-> jonny5000: have you confirmed the ACPI OSI_ value is set ?
[17:58] <jonny5000> TJ-, any hope that this just resolves when i do the updates that i have been neglecting for the last 2-3x i was reminded?
[17:58] <Caleb--> hi. ever since i upgraded to 16.04, i've been having lots of sudden system reboots. sometimes it reboots, i login, and it reboots immediately.  i have no idea how to debug as i don't see anything in the system logs
[17:58] <TJ-> jonny5000: "dmges | grep _OSI"
[17:58] <TJ-> jonny5000: possibly, as was said earlier, moving to the latest HWE kernel may help, which is Wily or Xenial now I think
[17:59] <TJ-> jonny5000: "dmesg | grep _OSI"  (grrr, typos!)
[17:59] <nacc> TJ-: wily (xenial's will be available with 16.04.1 i thnk)
[17:59] <TJ-> Caleb--: waht kind of reboots? immediately to the firmware POST messages, or freeze requiring manual reboot?
[17:59] <jonny5000> TJ-, yes it said added windows 2012
[18:00] <TJ-> jonny5000: OK, so that hasn't cured it then.
[18:00] <jonny5000> TJ-,  will updpating to the newest hwe kernal occur in the course of this regular managed update or do i need to do something special?
[18:00] <nacc> jonny5000: need to follow that wiki page to enable it
[18:01] <Caleb--> crap, it rebooted again
[18:01] <jonny5000> TJ-, ok thank you.
[18:01] <jonny5000> signing off now
[18:02] <TJ-> !info inux-generic-lts-xenial trusty
[18:02] <TJ-> !info linux-generic-lts-xenial trusty
[18:03] <nacc> TJ-: hrm, intersting, the wiki page says aug 2016, i think
[18:04] <rahul_kummi> guys can someome suggest any good resources for bash scripting for newbies like me
[18:04] <TJ-> nacc: maybe its in the archives but not being actively promoted yet
[18:04] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, possibly true
[18:04] <TJ-> rahul_kummi: the Advanced BASH pages are great
[18:04] <TJ-> rahul_kummi: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[18:05] <glass> rahul_Kummi: just go to #bash
[18:05] <MIJ> TJ-: hi tj
[18:06] <glass> FAQ: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ | Guide: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide | Ref: http://gnu.org/s/bash/manual | http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/ | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes | Check your script: http://www.shellcheck.net/ | Mailing list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-bash | Devel: http://xrl.us/bmodjy
[18:06] <rahul_kummi> thanks TJ and glass
[18:06] <MIJ> TJ-: /ejlp
[18:06] <MIJ> oops
[18:08] <MIJ> TJ-:  i wanted to know if its better to use CFQ scheduler on my Ubuntu desktop system?
[18:10] <TJ-> MIJ: didn't we have this conversation a few days ago, and I recommended the -lowlatency kernels?
[18:11] <MIJ> TJ-:  yes i am using low latency kernel, but wanted to know the diff between low latency and generic plus which scheduler is used in both and i also wanted to try CFQ sched on generic
[18:13] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[18:13] <johntittor2000> does anybody know how to create app folders on the gnome overview?
[18:13] <johntittor2000> I tried with gnome-software, but it just doesn't work... no idea why
[18:13] <TJ-> MIJ: lowlatency implements preemptive multitasking whereas generic is essentially cooperative multitasking (that's a very gross simplification but should help understand the differences)
[18:15] <angel1604lts> hello TJ-
[18:15] <TJ-> seems to be my night!
[18:16] <Joaquin-V> is there a way to get thunar to mount my MTP devices
[18:16] <Jakey3> whats the way to encrypt a single file on ubuntu
[18:16] <Jakey3> with a secure encryption
[18:16] <xangua> Joaquin-V: what ubuntu release?
[18:16] <Jakey3> through terminal
[18:17] <nacc> Jakey3: gpg?
[18:17] <TJ-> angel1604lts: is the Bluetooth device still showing and usable?
[18:17] <ich_dien> Hello ll
[18:18] <OerHeks> Jakey3, right mouse: compress > see options with password and encrypth method
[18:18] <ich_dien> I attempted to install claws-mail but can't seem to open/find it
[18:19] <ich_dien> I DL'd tar, installed dependencies, ran ./config with no error, then successfully makefiled
[18:19] <TJ-> ich_dien: generally "dpkg -L <package-name>" will show where all the files are
[18:19] <ich_dien> but I can't run it, says its not installed
[18:19] <TJ-> ich_dien: aaah, not an Ubuntu package.
[18:19] <OerHeks> !info claws-mail
[18:20] <ich_dien> TJ-, what does that mean??
[18:20] <ich_dien> TJ-, is in repo
[18:20] <Jakey3> nacc, OerHeks thanks
[18:20] <TJ-> ich_dien: if you're building from source then you're the only one that knows how you configured its build system. Did you use "sudo make install" ? did it perhaps install under /usr/local/ ?
[18:20] <nacc> ich_dien: why can't you use the one from ubuntu?
[18:20] <EriC^^> Jakey3: gpg -c /path/to/file will encrypt it with a symmetric cypher so you can decrypt it later
[18:21] <Joaquin-V> xangua: xenial minimal
[18:21] <OerHeks> latest is 3.13, so we are up2date
[18:21] <ich_dien> nacc, you mean why didn't i use software center?
[18:21] <Jakey3> EriC^^, thanks
[18:21] <OerHeks> http://www.claws-mail.org/releases.php
[18:21] <nacc> ich_dien: yeah
[18:21] <ich_dien> nacc, because I wanted the latest version
[18:21] <EriC^^> Jakey3: no problem
[18:21] <nacc> ich_dien: presuming you had a good reason, what TJ- said :)
[18:22] <OerHeks> your reason is oke, only your download should match our package :-D
[18:22] <ich_dien> I'm new to this so used info from https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-software-from-a-tarball-in-linux/
[18:22] <Jakey3> nacc, EriC^^, OerHeks; I saw this to http://askubuntu.com/questions/160253/encrypting-decrypting-a-single-file-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts/160334
[18:22] <ich_dien> TJ-, I don't know I just followed instructions
[18:22] <ich_dien> TJ-, Do you have to run m
[18:23] <ich_dien> TJ-, Do you have to run "make install" after running make??
[18:23] <nacc> uh, yes
[18:23] <TJ-> ich_dien: if you don't know these things I'd suggest building your own software is not something you should be doing, there's a reason Ubuntu devs package and build over 50,000 packages
[18:23] <EriC^^> Jakey3: i think gpg -c is better cause openssl might not be installed on all systems, plus gpg -c uses aes-128
[18:24] <OerHeks> !build
[18:24] <Jakey3> EriC^^, is there a way to make it aes 256 with gpg
[18:24] <camroncade> morning, I'm currently booting into google-chrome (in kiosk mode) instead of the default (gnome-session) using a custom xsession, and I'm wondering if any of you have ideas of how I could trigger it to boot into a different session...
[18:24] <EriC^^> yeah probably
[18:24] <EriC^^> Jakey3: des3 is 56-bit
[18:25] <ich_dien> TJ-, Well thats contradictory to much of the advice found online that explicitly say to DL tar's when appropriate
[18:25] <Jakey3> thanks for the info
[18:25] <ich_dien> in this case I just wanted the latest version
[18:25] <GnomeKris> Anyone know why The Witcher 2, when played through steam, only loads the tutorial. It closes out if I try to go to story mode and skip the tutorial. It closes if I try to play through the tut and then go to story.
[18:25] <TJ-> ich_dien: but *why* ? is the version in the repo missing some must-have feature?
[18:26] <GnomeKris> Oh, i'm on Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 btw
[18:26] <xangua> Which you were told it's already in ubuntu repository  ich_dien
[18:26] <OerHeks> "advice found online that explicitly say to DL tar's when appropriate" is not our policy
[18:26] <Soul_Sample> GnomeKris: ouch, I've just installed it the other day but haven't tried it yet. I hope it's not a common issue :/
[18:26] <ich_dien> TJ-, much of what is in repo seems out of date. To a noob this is confusing
[18:27] <OerHeks> ich_dien, not true for clawsmail :-)
[18:27] <xangua> Joaquin-V: you mean xubuntu minimal? Don't know what might be missing... Mtp working fine in a regular xubuntu install here
[18:27] <nacc> !latest | ich_dien
[18:27] <ich_dien> OerHeks, yes it is
[18:27] <Joaquin-V> xangua: no, I mean minimal ubuntu
[18:27] <GnomeKris> Soul_Sample, apparently, the game has a few different issues with running on 14.04, but nothing I've found in googling has been related to my issue
[18:27] <Joaquin-V> as in the minimal 40MB ISO that only installs the core system
[18:27] <ich_dien> ubottu, Then why didn't someone just say so
[18:28] <nacc> ich_dien: "someone" did, by only giving you the option to install one version in `apt`
[18:28] <nacc> ich_dien: if you go and do something (*anything) as root -- you are choosing to alter your system, sometimes within the confines of support, sometimes explicity going outside those confines
[18:28] <OerHeks> ich_dien, no, see this http://www.claws-mail.org/releases.php = 3.13
[18:28] <OerHeks> !info claws-mail
[18:28] <nacc> arguably some case even as your current user
[18:28] <OerHeks> hopla
[18:29] <nacc> ich_dien: are you on trusty? (14.04)
[18:29] <Soul_Sample> GnomeKris: how can I reproduce it? just skip the tutorial?
[18:29] <nacc> ich_dien: 16.04 has the latest version (3.13.2); 14.04 does not but it's also an older release
[18:29] <camroncade> does anyone here have experience with xsession and has a moment to chat about a unique challenge?
[18:30] <GnomeKris> It does it weather I skip the tut, or play through. Same thing happens either way. Plus, it doesn't save anything, so I can't load a save file.
[18:30] <ich_dien> nacc, the version in my repo is 3.9.3
[18:30] <Soul_Sample> GnomeKris: I'll go and try now
[18:30] <nacc> ich_dien: are you on 14.04 (lsb_release -a)
[18:30] <ich_dien> nacc, the new version is 3.13.x
[18:31] <OerHeks> ich_dien, if wou want the latest, why not the latest LTS?
[18:31] <nacc> ich_dien: if yes, that is the version supported on your system ...
[18:31] <RandomUser1234> My usb is only set to READ ONLY, and I tried formatting it and repartitioning it. And even umounting and then dosfsck. Neither worked.
[18:31] <ich_dien> nacc, look I'm just telling you what I see in software center
[18:31] <Soul_Sample> GnomeKris: oops, I deleted the game :S
[18:32] <Soul_Sample> GnomeKris: I was sure it was installed
[18:32] <nacc> ich_dien: and i'm telling you why?
[18:32] <ich_dien> nacc, I am on the latest LTS
[18:32] <nacc> ich_dien: you installed an OS from 2014 (regardless of when you installed it), why would you think it had the latest versions of software on it? beyond the lts enablement stacks, that's not really something that happens. You need to change versions of the OS to get newer versions of the software, generally
[18:32] <ich_dien> 14.04
[18:32] <nacc> ich_dien: that's not the latest LTS
[18:32] <TJ-> ich_dien: latest LTS is 16.04
[18:33] <ich_dien> nacc, then I have other problems because it says my system is up to date
[18:33] <TJ-> ich_dien: that's why we're confused why you were building the same version as is in the archive
[18:33] <ich_dien> TJ-, makes way more sense
[18:33] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | ich_dien
[18:34] <ich_dien> TJ-, How do I get rid of the stuff I just extracted and made?
[18:34] <nacc> ich_dien: you are "up to date" with 14.04 itself
[18:34] <ich_dien> nacc, yes. Checked before I did anything today
[18:35] <nacc> ich_dien: right, but that doesn't mean you are on the latest LTS?
[18:35] <ich_dien> nacc, Yes I think we are all aware of this now
[18:35] <TJ-> ich_dien: delete the files I would think
[18:35] <ich_dien> TJ-, How? clean-ly"
[18:35] <FourLaps> Hey guys I'm  having some issues, is this the right place to ask for help?
[18:36] <nacc> ich_dien: did you `make install` ever?
[18:36] <genii> Usually with make uninstall or make dist-clean
[18:37] <ich_dien> nacc, I tar -zxvk, then ./config then I make and it said successful in terminal
[18:37] <TJ-> ich_dien: generally, when using the source, its done in its own sub-directory, so deleting that will get rid of it. If you previously used the sources's 'install' mechanism then you'd need to 'uinstall' the same way first
[18:37] <nacc> ich_dien: if all you did was `make`, then just delete the source
[18:37] <squinty> FourLaps,  if the problems are ubuntu related then yes
[18:37] <nacc> ich_dien: or keep it, it's just source and has no real impact to your system
[18:37] <FourLaps> Is anyone else having issues with Control+Alt+f1-6 on 16.04? it seems my terminals arent there anymore
[18:37] <ich_dien> nacc, meaning the the stuff in ~/Downloads??
[18:38] <fermulator> anyone know what the channel is for landscape (canonical) related items is?
[18:38] <ich_dien> nacc, Or do I make install now??
[18:39] <nacc> !alis | fermulator
[18:39] <ich_dien> nacc, If I do do I have to make again?
[18:39] <nacc> ich_dien: do you want to install from source or not?
[18:39] <ich_dien> nacc, I just want the latest version installed, anyway that is best!
[18:40] <RandomUser1234> My usb is only set to READ ONLY, and I tried formatting it and repartitioning it. And even umounting and then dosfsck. Neither worked.
[18:40] <OerHeks> #ubuntu-solutions iirc fermulator
[18:40] <ich_dien> nacc, It's not my goal to break anything, I just want to use claws
[18:40] <TJ-> RandomUser1234: have you tried writing zeros to the entire device?
[18:40] <nacc> ich_dien: did you answer before (sorry if i missed it) why you want the latest version?
[18:41] <RandomUser1234> TJ-: I'll try that instead of quick
[18:41] <ich_dien> nacc, yes but I am only on 14.04 so can't get latest from repo
[18:41] <nacc> ich_dien: that's not a reason?
[18:41] <RandomUser1234> TJ-: That's going to take too long though
[18:41] <nacc> ich_dien: why do you want the latest?
[18:41] <ich_dien> nacc, did most of legwork on tar stuff, so do I just "make install"?
[18:41] <TJ-> ich_dien: unfortunately although the project advertises it has a PPA, it doesn't look like anyone updated it since 2014
[18:42] <ich_dien> nacc, for security, stability, etc.
[18:42] <nacc> ich_dien: that's what a distribution provides ...
[18:42] <TJ-> RandomUser1234: you want it fixed ? writing zeros tells the device firmware it can remap bad blocks
[18:42] <nacc> ich_dien: going *outside* the distribution is more likely to break things, in that you have no way of getting automatic security updates to your version anymore
[18:43] <fermulator> OerHeks thanks, it directed me to #ubuntu-server for general inquiries. Got it.
[18:43] <ich_dien> nacc, but you just said no one is updating that old ppa anyway
[18:43] <ducasse> ich_dien: installing from source puts the responsibility on *you* to keep it patched/upgraded.
[18:43] <nacc> ich_dien: i didn't mention any ppa
[18:44] <nacc> ich_dien: and a ppa is not the archives
[18:44] <ich_dien> nacc, sorry that was TJ
[18:44] <ich_dien> nacc, what do you mean archives?
[18:44] <nacc> ich_dien: if you are on 14.04 and don't have a feature-driven reason to upgrade a piece of software, i'd recommend to just use the version in 14.04
[18:45] <nacc> ich_dien: e.g., archive.ubuntu.com, the official Ubuntu archives. I believe TJ- mentioned the PPA in that perhaps a claws developer or nice person was providing side-builds of the latest versions in a PPA (!ppa for details), but that would not be from Ubuntu and not supported officially (except by, perhaps, the PPA owner)
[18:45] <JFlash> hi, I have installed mariaDB on 15.04 and I'm trying to run it
[18:45] <nacc> JFlash: 15.04 is eol
[18:45] <nacc> JFlash: highly recommend you upgrade
[18:45] <JFlash> I get this error:  unknown service mysqld
[18:46] <metroins> Is there an easy way to switch the unity scrollbars to regular scrollbars?
[18:46] <ich_dien> nacc, but from 3.9.x to 3.13.x is a HUGE jump!!
[18:46] <JFlash> someone in mariadb asked me to paste an error log and this is what I found:
[18:46] <TJ-> nacc: ich_dien correct, on the claws-mail download page they prominently list their PPA as 'latest' and don't mention that its in the Ubuntu archive itself
[18:46] <JFlash> http://pastie.org/10844159
[18:46] <egsome> JFlash, Which command did You execute ?
[18:47] <ich_dien> nacc, so you are saying ANYTHING outside of software center is no good/unsafe??
[18:47] <xangua> metroins: that depends what you mean by unity scrollbars, since 16.04 unity uses gnome scrollbars again
[18:47] <nacc> ich_dien: "HUGE" for various definitions, sure. What's your point there?
[18:47] <JFlash> egsome, I tried a couple
[18:48] <JFlash> start service and just start
[18:48] <JFlash> sorry the error is unknown job
[18:48] <ich_dien> TJ-, If you download from SC does the program have an update feature or something like it?
[18:48] <nacc> ich_dien: I'm saying anything outside of the software center (really the ubuntu archives is what we mean) is not supported by Ubuntu.  I've got to git clone it now and try it out since it looks really good and I really don't want to miss out on the last 3 months commits!
[18:48] <nacc> heh
[18:48] <FourLaps> Hey so I'm having issues with my virtual terminals (The control + alt + F1 ones) does anyone know where I can start to troubleshoot this issue
[18:49] <metroins> xangua: I am on 14.04
[18:49] <TJ-> FourLaps: what issues?
[18:49] <Jakey3> what happens if you use gpg to encrypt a message
[18:50] <FourLaps> I cant access them with the keyboard shortcut TJ-
[18:50] <Jakey3> but your key expires before you open it?
[18:50] <TJ-> Jakey3: you forget the passphrase and kick yourself?
[18:50] <Jakey3> i would kick myself
[18:50] <ich_dien> nacc, Okay that sounds less discouraging
[18:50] <Soul_Sample> can anyone check out this video and let me know if it happens to them as well?
[18:50] <Soul_Sample> https://youtu.be/sijzTOnO2Dk
[18:50] <Jakey3> does the experiation of the key stop you from unecrypting the file
[18:51] <Jakey3> ?
[18:51] <ich_dien> TJ-, Okay fair enough
[18:51] <TJ-> FourLaps: from the GUI? that is strange. You're holding down Ctrl+Alt+F1 at the same time *and* you've checked your keyboard doesn't have some alternate operations enabled for the Fx keys?
[18:51] <xangua> metroins: installing dconf editor and disable them, or just uninstall the unity scrollbars packages should work
[18:52] <FourLaps> TJ- Yup. I made sure that the function keys acted as they should and that all of my keys work. I even tried another keyboard...
[18:52] <nacc> ich_dien: but the questions you were asking before, about whether you need to run `make install`, imply strongly that you should really not go down that route
[18:53] <TJ-> Jakey3: no, expired keys can still be used
[18:53] <nacc> ich_dien: because that's a fairly basic question wrt. building from source
[18:53] <JFlash> anyone can help?
[18:53] <FourLaps> Soul_Sample I dont use either Inkscape or unity so I'm afraid I'll be of no help
[18:53] <Jakey3> TJ-, what the pint of the expiration then
[18:53] <TJ-> FourLaps: that sounds rather like you've remapped the Ctrl or Alt keys to do something else
[18:53] <Soul_Sample> FourLaps: no problem, thanks for checking
[18:53] <Jakey3> *point
[18:53] <nacc> JFlash: you sort of ignored my response of 15.04 is eol
[18:53] <FourLaps> TJ- Control + W or Alt+Tab work as expected
[18:53] <nacc> !eol | JFlash
[18:54] <TJ-> Jakey3: so if the passphrase for unlocking the key is forgotten, the key will expire and can be replaced with another that has the same User ID, email address(es), etc.
[18:54] <ich_dien> nacc, What is that supposed to mean? How am I supposed to learn if I'm not trying things out??
[18:54] <JFlash> nacc, sorry if it seems I ignored. I know it's eol, thanks for the advice but I will not be able to upgrade right now
[18:55] <nacc> JFlash: right, but that means not supported any longer (and not here)
[18:55] <JFlash> nacc, it would take me some time as I'm a novice
[18:55] <nacc> JFlash: and means you are exposed to security vulnerabilities potentially
[18:55] <TJ-> FourLaps: in which case if you're testing with regular keyboards I can't think of anything else obvious. Are these regular Latin character QWERTY style?
[18:56] <FourLaps> TJ- Yeah, nothing strange
[18:56] <JFlash> nacc, I understand your concern, althou this is not a production machine. I will look for help some place else then. Sorry to disturb :(
[18:56] <FourLaps> TJ- Control + Alt + T works as expected too
[18:56] <TJ-> FourLaps: then its the function keys themselves
[18:57] <TJ-> FourLaps: I have an external USB logitech keyboard, and to have 'regular' key-codes from the Fx keys I have to press an "F-lock" button
[18:57] <FourLaps> TJ- F1 brings up the help menu like it should though
[18:57] <TJ-> FourLaps: I'm wondering if you've got something similar going on
[18:57] <FourLaps> TJ- Yeah I understand that and I know my keyboard isnt set up that way
[18:57] <nacc> ich_dien: that's a fair point. I would say you're learning quite a bit already about how Ubuntu works (and reasons to or not to update software outside of a distribution). Generally to install a software from source, you would d/l the source (or git clone or whatver). ./configure (or ./autogen.sh, depending), make, make install (the latter as root). BUt the whole point of building from source is knowing what
[18:57] <TJ-> FourLaps: in which case... are you sure you've got more than one tty enabled :D
[18:57] <nacc> you are building and how. So you'd probably pass flags to configure to use a prefix of /usr/local rather than /usr, and since you're doing `make install` as root, that assumes you know exactly what you are doing
[18:57] <FourLaps> TJ- Where can I go to do that?
[18:58] <nacc> ich_dien: the point of a distribution is someone else went through the trouble of doing all that for you :)
[18:59] <TJ-> FourLaps: you'd have to have reconfigured the system *very* particularly to disable the ttys so I very much doubt its that
[18:59] <nacc> ich_dien: my concern is let's say the claws source doesn't have an 'uninstall' target in the Makefile. And you go to install claws-mail from Ubuntu because the version upstream for whatever reason isn't what you want. It's possible that pacakge installation will fail, because of your local changes (I have no idea if this is the case for claws, but it might be generally possible)
[18:59] <FourLaps> TJ- Right? But I dont know where I would even to go to check if thats the issue
[19:00] <TJ-> FourLaps: believe me it won't be... even if I wanted to do that it'd take me 5 minutes to check I was doing it correctly :)
[19:00] <ich_dien> nacc, I think I understand what you mean.
[19:00] <FourLaps> TJ- But I honestly have no idea what else it would be
[19:00] <FourLaps> TJ- do you have a link to any documentation or something I could read?
[19:00] <TJ-> FourLaps: try using evtest to see if the keys are working
[19:01] <ich_dien> nacc, And yes ever since installing OS I have learned so much my head is spinning!
[19:01] <TJ-> FourLaps: "sudo apt install evtest; sudo evtest" select the keyboard device and press those problem key combos, see what it spits out. Ctrl+C to interrupt (exit).
[19:02] <ich_dien> Everyday is a new adventure:)
[19:02] <FourLaps> TJ- Evtest returns no devices available
[19:02] <TJ-> right round baby, right round, like a record baby, right round round round
[19:02] <TJ-> FourLaps: then the system is "broked"
[19:02] <FourLaps> TJ- Niiice. Sounds like my life
[19:02] <fermulator> FourLaps, perhaps the number of virtual consoles has been reduced somehow on your system? http://askubuntu.com/questions/27967/how-can-i-reduce-the-number-of-ttys/27975#27975
[19:03] <nacc> ich_dien: i think the most important rule is if you are doing anything as root (sudo or explicitly swtiched to the root user), you really want to be sure you know what you are doing, how to undo what you did, etc
[19:03] <TJ-> fermulator: I asked that but anyone doing it would recall they had!
[19:03] <AaronMT_> !hedgy
[19:04] <fermulator> TJ probably, but it's easily something to be forgotten if it were years ago, or maybe someone else with access to the system did it, or maybe some script did it...
[19:04] <TJ-> FourLaps: this is what you should expect to see with "sudo evtest" http://paste.ubuntu.com/16512695/
[19:04] <TJ-> fermulator: I'm inclined to think the system has been broken, if evtest isn't reporting any input devices
[19:04] <FourLaps> TJ- Fermulator I wish this was an old install, I've had this install for two weeks
[19:05]  * TJ- awards FourLaps the "I killed my system fastest" cup
[19:05] <fermulator> TJ-: definitely good to double check the evtest output to confirm keyboard mappings are correct (perhaps I mis-understood FourLaps though - I thought that CTRL+ALT+F1 works, but F2...F6 does not?)
[19:05] <FourLaps> TJ- The day I got my first computer when I was 13 I tried to install ubuntu and broke the bootloader that day
[19:05] <TJ-> FourLaps: at this stage I'd take an educated guess that reading the package manager's logs will reveal you've uninstalled some vital packages
[19:06] <TJ-> fermulator: none of the tty shortcuts works, but Ctrl+ and Alt+ other keys work fine, and F1 brings up help
[19:06] <FourLaps> TJ- I got evtest to work I forgot to run it as sudo. My keyboard is gucci
[19:06] <ich_dien> nacc, So just to be clear since nothing actually installed (no make install)
[19:07] <TJ-> FourLaps: aha! I did wonder but thought you'd be insulted if I asked :D
[19:07] <ich_dien> nacc, If I just get rid of the tar in ~/Downloads and the extracted files will be sufficient?
[19:07] <nacc> ich_dien: right, basically extracting a tarball and building it is just like creatinga  directory and putting stuff in it
[19:07] <FourLaps> TJ- Somestimes I make mistakes
[19:07] <FourLaps> albiet its rare ;)
[19:07] <nacc> ich_dien: there's nothing particularly special about source code in that regard
[19:07] <TJ-> FourLaps: we all do, and it can be embarrassing
[19:08] <nacc> ich_dien: so your management of that directory would be like any other directory in your homedir, do with it as you see fit :)
[19:08] <nacc> ich_dien: even after, were you to do so, a `make install`, you can delete the source, because it's put the stuff (installed!) in the right places in the system directories (or prefix as specified to configure)
[19:08] <TJ-> FourLaps: I once spent 3 hours trying to figure out how and when I'd uninstalled some key tools only to realise I was into a chroot of a different release, where I'd previously been debugging :s
[19:09] <FourLaps> TJ- Lmfao nice
[19:09] <FourLaps> TJ- the directory /etc/default/console-setup doesnt exist on my system
[19:09] <TJ-> FourLaps: so, does evtest report events for the Ctrl+Alt+Fx combos?
[19:09] <nacc> TJ-: i hate when that happens ...
[19:10] <TJ-> FourLaps: that'd be a file, not a dir
[19:10]  * squinty went through similar the other day with ssh session
[19:10]  * TJ- is so glad others suffer the same way... makes me feel a little better :)
[19:10] <TJ-> squinty: that's a scary one as well, doing something on a remote you think you're doing locally
[19:11] <TJ-> squinty: I have 6 monitors just for that, so I have 1 monitor = 1 remote system
[19:11] <FourLaps> TJ- I'm silly. It shows that tty1-6 are active. Also it responded when I hit the keys, am I looking for a specific output?
[19:11] <squinty> TJ-, did make my little old hear go pitty-pat when I realize the situation :-)
[19:11] <TJ-> FourLaps: well, first just confirming the keys aren't 'dead' when you use that particular combination
[19:12] <TJ-> squinty: I had a hot flush just reading your comment about it
[19:12] <squinty> lol!!
[19:13] <TJ-> FourLaps: if the 3-key combo is showing up then it points to something else having remapped them. Have you installed any packages recently that might want to take over key combos?
[19:13] <ioria> !info console-setup-mini
[19:13] <TJ-> FourLaps: like games maybe?
[19:13] <FourLaps> TJ- I just plugged in a third keyboard and the shortcut brought me to a black screen so everything is fucked
[19:14] <FourLaps> TJ- I went ahead and attempted to enter my username and password and on signing in I could hear the music I was playing
[19:15] <TJ-> FourLaps: I just tried to do the Ctrl+Alt+F1 in evtest... and it switched to the tty! That wsa funny
[19:15] <FourLaps> TJ- So The CLI is working but I see nothing
[19:15] <ioria> FourLaps, do you have console-setup package installed ?
[19:16] <TJ-> FourLaps: this is what it looked like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16512902/
[19:16] <FourLaps> iotia Yeah just checked apt
[19:17] <xubuntu> ijhojkl
[19:17] <camroncade> does anyone know any reasons I would have problems trying to curl a URL in a bash script that is run from an x-session
[19:17] <FourLaps> TJ- I was able to get the shortcut to work but now the TTY doesnt display anything
[19:17] <xubuntu> I'm an asshole
[19:17] <TJ-> FourLaps: oh! didn't realise you'd solved it
[19:17] <FourLaps> TJ- Kind of?
[19:17] <TJ-> FourLaps: blank display is likely a GPU driver issue, to do with modesetting
[19:17] <FourLaps> TJ- It worked on the third keyboard
[19:18] <FourLaps> TJ- Oh yeah I have to boot with nomodeset otherwise its a black screen
[19:18] <TJ-> FourLaps: makes me wonder if one of the 1st 2 keyboards has got its toggle flags in a mess. I've often seen with multiple keyboards things like the Caps Lock and so on getting inverted in their meaning between the keyboards
[19:19] <FourLaps> TJ- I have no idea I just feel like everything is fucked and ubuntu hates me at this point
[19:20] <TJ-> FourLaps: yesterday I had several fun minutes trying to drop CAPS LOCK in the GUI because it got inverted... was fine at the ttys ... having to press Shift to get lower-case to log-in at the greeter, etc, as a right pain
[19:21] <FourLaps> TJ- Honest question where could I get a good computer with ubuntu pre-installed? System76?
[19:21] <TJ-> FourLaps: so i'd first wonder if you get this issue when only 1 keyboard is connected. Does it happen immediately after boot, or only after you've been working for some time in a user session
[19:21] <FourLaps> TJ- I honestly think that the built in keyboard is just dying on my computer
[19:21] <TJ-> FourLaps: also, try using the Guest session (or a new user account) and see if it occurs there. If not, it points to some user configuration issue
[19:22] <ioria> FourLaps, there is also sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[19:25] <Guest72834> hi guys - my install of ubuntu (from usb) failed during partitioning of one of my disks (an SSD disk).  From the live session, i tried to run "sudo fdisk /dev/sd
[19:25] <xangua> UbuntuPre-installed - Community Help Wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed) FourLaps
[19:25] <FourLaps> ioria I am going to try that thank you
[19:26] <ioria> FourLaps, ok
[19:27] <Guest72834> hi guys - my install of ubuntu (from usb) failed during partitioning of one of my disks (an SSD disk).  From the live session, i tried to run "sudo fdisk /dev/sdb" but it returns " fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: Input/output error". What can I do?
[19:31] <GnomeKris> can gnome 3 run in ubuntu 14.04?
[19:32] <arooni> is there a way to run a script after my laptop comes back from resume ?
[19:32] <arooni> and if so; how
[19:32] <nacc> arooni: http://askubuntu.com/questions/92218/how-to-execute-a-command-after-resume-from-suspend
[19:33] <arooni> thank you nacc
[19:37] <Quatroking> any way to export/import a list of packages installed so i can install the same loadout on a different machine
[19:37] <ducasse> Quatroking: apt-clone
[19:37] <ioria> also aptoncd
[19:38] <Quatroking> thanks
[19:38] <xangua> ! Nounity | GnomeKris
[19:38] <xangua> GnomeKris: so just install gnome shell
[19:40] <arooni> how can i get a process id on the port that is using port 24800?
[19:40] <arooni> sorry process that is using port 24800
[19:40] <arooni> and specifically i want to kill only that process
[19:41] <arooni> so i really dont need to know the exact process id
[19:41] <ioria> try sudo lsof -i :24800
[19:45] <camroncade> any ideas how I can get ubuntu to connect to a known wifi network before login...I
[19:45] <arooni> nice thats what i needed;  and i can just run kill $(lsof -t -i:24800) and it seems to work
[19:45] <camroncade> I can't call a curl get request from an xsession script because it doesn't have an internet connection
[19:46] <k1l_> camroncade: once the wifi is connected and checked "available for all users" in settings it will connect when the lightdm starts.
[19:48] <arooni> if i want to start a daemon/program from /etc/pm/sleep.d/ must i do something like... sh /path/to/program &
[19:51] <themightyabby> is there a reason why remote desktop would not work if I turned on the remote desktop settings on the computer? - Do I need to restart the computer?
[19:52] <GnomeKris> Why does https://extensions.gnome.org say they can't detect a running copy of Gnome? I'm running gnome-shell 3.10.4
[19:53] <tgm4883> themightyabby: Windows? did you enable non network authentication?
[19:54] <themightyabby> where do I enable non network authentication?
[19:55] <genii> GnomeKris: 'If you are using GNOME 3.4 or newer and installation still doesn't work, check to make sure that the "GNOME Shell Integration" plugin is installed and enabled in your browser preferences. Some browsers have a feature, click-to-play, which make it so the plugin cannot start without user intervention. Make sure that either http://extensions.gnome.org is whitelisted for the click-to-play feature, or click-to-play is turned off entirely' https:
[19:55] <genii> //extensions.gnome.org/about/#no-detection
[19:55] <tgm4883> themightyabby: I forget the exact name, but it's a checkbox you need to uncheck when enabling RDP
[19:55] <tgm4883> I had to do that previously, but admittedly it's been awhile
[19:56] <gambl0re> i just installed mysql-workbench, how do i open it now?
[19:56] <themightyabby> hmm, doesn't seem to work but thanks anyway
[19:57] <tgm4883> themightyabby: firewall maybe?
[19:58] <ioria> themightyabby, if using vino check   ps -A | grep vino   to be sure is running
[19:58] <themightyabby> probably?
[19:58] <themightyabby> let me check the vino check
[19:59] <gambl0re> anyone here?
[19:59] <themightyabby> it's running
[19:59] <themightyabby> hi gambl0re
[19:59] <gambl0re> hi
[19:59] <themightyabby> what is vino? is that the desktop sharing?
[19:59] <gambl0re> i just installed mysql-workbench using apt-get. its finished insatlling but how do i run the program
[19:59] <ioria> themightyabby,  it's the default vnc .... sudo ufw status ?
[20:00] <themightyabby> allow, 22, 5900
[20:00] <themightyabby> what's the rdp port?
[20:00] <GnomeKris> genii. I'm all set now. Thanks for the point in the right direction
[20:00] <themightyabby> 5900 is vnc I know that much
[20:00] <themightyabby> (22 is ssh)
[20:00] <ioria> themightyabby,  so it's enabled... try to temporary disable it
[20:01] <themightyabby> okay
[20:01] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I'm trying to install Brackets IDE but it keeps breaking because of missing libgcrypt11, which I've installed manually then fixed apt-get like this:
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> themightyabby  type   less /etc/services
[20:02] <themightyabby> ioria: sadly it did not work (with the ufw disabled)
[20:02] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> sudo apt-get install libgcrypt11-dev
[20:02] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> sudo apt-get -f install
[20:02] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> sudo dpkg -i --force-depends Brackets.1.6.Extract.64-bit.deb
[20:02] <ioria> themightyabby,  what client on windows ?
[20:02] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> the result I still don't get Bracket running
[20:02] <themightyabby> ioria: Remote Desktop connection
[20:02] <ioria> please
[20:03] <themightyabby> oh that's the software that I'm using - windows RDP client (the one with windows 7)
[20:03] <ioria> themightyabby,  i think you need another client , like tightvnc
[20:03] <genii> GnomeKris: Glad it got sorted :)
[20:04] <tgm4883> Oh, you're going that direction
[20:05] <themightyabby> hmmmm - I think that is what the other people wanted to use (I'm troubleshooting it)
[20:06] <themightyabby> right on, thanks!
[20:06] <xubuntu42d> how do i install flash player? i cant find it in the software installer. tried getting it from adobe but it opens in that software installer and pops up with error cant get app_to_file (xubuntu 16.04 x64)
[20:07] <xangua> xubuntu42d: what browser
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> xubuntu42d  try flashpligin-installer
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> xubuntu42d  try flashplugin-installer
[20:07] <xubuntu42d> MonkeyDust:  i tried sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[20:08] <xubuntu42d> it says its installed
[20:08] <xubuntu42d> firefox
[20:08] <xangua> xubuntu42d: restart the browser
[20:08] <xubuntu42d> firefox says i dont have flash
[20:08] <xubuntu42d> i have. i have also restarted the computer
[20:08] <xubuntu42d> also im going to need java
[20:09] <OerHeks> install restricted extras, java flash and such webplugins
[20:09] <xubuntu42d> restricted extras is installed
[20:10] <xubuntu42d> dont know what the package is that i need to install java
[20:10] <camroncade> did 16.04 change the way you specify which xsession to load? Mine doesn't seem to be loading my custom xsession
[20:10] <OerHeks> openjdk
[20:11] <camroncade> I'm editing the 50-ubuntu.conf file in /use/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d
[20:11] <xubuntu42d> try tab completing openjdk and theres tons of them
[20:11] <xubuntu42d> which do i need for web browsing
[20:12] <xangua> The plugin one
[20:13] <xubuntu42d> why is this so hard
[20:14] <xubuntu42d> which one is the "plugin" one?  (i knew how to do with in ubuntu software center but xubuntu 16.04 uses something else)
[20:14] <xangua> Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog (http://www.webupd8.org/2016/04/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-1604-lts-xenial-xerus.html?m=1) xubuntu42d
[20:15] <xubuntu42d> im comming from 12.04.  16.04 is very different  and harder to use  >_<
[20:15] <hfsjou> hey. could someone check for me if this usb modem can be used for internet access on linux. it lacks the special applications to be "installed" on linux, but its driver and mac address all get recognized by linux mint. http://web.modacom.co.kr/en/product/product_view.php?seq_id=531
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> xubuntu42d  do you mean Unity is harder to use? you can easily install and switch to something else
[20:16] <Ben64> hfsjou: it says linux under supported os, so ... probably
[20:16] <xubuntu42d> im on xubuntu.   if you havent used it lately, its not the same as you remember
[20:17] <hfsjou> thank you so much. then the hard part is - how do i make it work? where do i even start?
[20:17] <xangua> xubuntu42d: xfce it's pretty much the same I used almost ten years ago
[20:17] <Ben64> hfsjou: plug it in
[20:18] <hfsjou> i did. it gets listed under 'network connections', but as an 'ethernet' thing, while it should be a wimax thing
[20:18] <Ben64> doesn't matter what the name is
[20:22] <TJ-> hfsjou: many USB broadband devices do that; they present a USB CDC Ethernet connection and have an embedded web-server and possibly dhcp server so you can configure them via a web interface
[20:24] <hfsjou> ok. [thank you for being a live human being.] - then, how do i configure it to work? - I kind of think that this post is about my issue, but my technical abilities are too limited to be able to follow the guidelines: http://askubuntu.com/questions/71814/how-to-re-compile-nm0-9-with-enabled-wimax - is this idea something i should pursue?
[20:24] <camroncade> what is the xsession manager in Ubuntu 16.04?
[20:24] <camroncade> is it not lightdm?
[20:24] <thomasfuston> Hello i have a problem my wlan chip on laptop is not working, its a fresh ubuntu 16.04 install, i got a BCM43124 broadcom any advice?
[20:27] <hfsjou> "via a web interface" - i do not follow. i get the ethernet connection 'window' - and then what?
[20:29] <enigmatic>  /part
[20:29] <Jakey3> if you encrypt a files and folders x number of years ago, you will frequently neeed to go back to them to rencrypt them with stronger encryption as time goes on
[20:29] <Jakey3> ?
[20:30] <Jakey3> and the decrytions are broken
[20:30] <arooni> any idea why this script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ with full execute privs is not restarting my synergyclient as expected (it's my first shell script ;P) : https://gist.github.com/arooni/c7ba3556d3a7e123fd65d310a0041094
[20:30] <Ben64> Jakey3: no
[20:31] <Jakey3> Ben64, can you explain why not
[20:31] <Ben64> because good encryption doesn't get broken
[20:31] <mistawright> hi guys i am running ubuntu 14.04 on a server and need to downgrade php to 5.3 i was able to do this fine before but i am having issues with this current server. how can i go about this?
[20:32] <Jakey3> Ben64, the are encryptions that are known to be vulnerable now but at the time was secure
[20:32] <Jakey3> so if i had used them at the time to encrypt some files
[20:32] <Jakey3> now they would be vunerable
[20:32] <Ben64> like what
[20:32] <mistawright> http://pastebin.com/n3FRjScQ not sure if someone knows how to get around this issue
[20:34] <nacc> mistawright: why do you need to be on 5.3 on 14.04?
[20:34] <Jakey3> Ben64, DES
[20:34] <nacc> mistawright: wsa there ever a 5.3 version in 14.04? the GA version was 5.5
[20:34] <nacc> mistawright: so did you install 5.3 from a PPA?
[20:34] <mistawright> nacc, i need to install it for some old trax code
[20:35] <mistawright> nacc, i tried adding sources for it but had issues
[20:35] <Ben64> Jakey3: ok, and aes has been out for 20 years now
[20:35] <nacc> mistawright: let's start from scratch, so i undrestand
[20:35] <nacc> mistawright: you had trusty installed with php5 (which is 5.5...), right?
[20:35] <Ben64> yes 5.5
[20:35] <nacc> mistawright: and you are now trying to downgrade to some 5.3 version (it appears to be the version in precise?). How are you doing that?
[20:36] <Ben64> yeah no wonder it's breaking
[20:36] <Jakey3> Ben64, what I mean is hypothetically when aes 128 can be broken quickly all files encoded with this ecrytion will need to be updated for example
[20:36] <TJ-> mistawright: create a chroot containing the older release
[20:36] <Ben64> Jakey3: sure in your imaginary world
[20:36] <nacc> mistawright: if you really need 5.3, run precise in a container, chroot or vm
[20:37] <Jakey3> Ben64, you never know with quantum computers
[20:37] <nacc> lol
[20:37] <nacc> Jakey3: computing fundamentally changes if quantum computers become "regular", one would think
[20:37] <Jakey3> youll need quantum encryption
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> q-bits
[20:38] <nacc> arooni: does it work when invoked manually?
[20:38] <arooni> nacc yeah i copied that to a separate bash script and it runs fine
[20:38] <nacc> arooni: sh and bash arent' necessarily the same thing
[20:38] <arooni> i mean sh script
[20:39] <arooni> i used the same #
[20:39] <arooni> i wonder if ubuntu doesnt keep an internet connection immediately upon resume
[20:39] <arooni> so that would be a reason why it would fail
[20:39] <maszlo> I seem to have a weird issue with grub.  There are two ssd in my notebook, sda sdb.  win10 and ubuntu & grub are installed on sda.  sdb i have android installed.  The issue is that when i cold boot, and select the option for RemixOS (android) it says disk hd1,1 not found . but if i hit any key and exit am shown grub again and it boots
[20:39] <nacc> arooni: well, it's not possible to have internet "immediately" upon resume, you need the network device to be back,etc
[20:41] <Jakey3> im not clear how to easily encrypt files and folders on my computer with aes 256
[20:41] <nacc> arooni: i think if you depend on networking, you're supposed to put scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d ?
[20:41] <nacc> arooni: not positive
[20:41] <Jakey3> for symmetric and asymmetric
[20:41] <Jakey3> emphasis on easily
[20:41] <Jakey3> terminal is fine
[20:41] <arooni> it's really not a huge issue; i can run the command when i start work; i just like to automate stuff whenever possible
[20:42] <ayore> salut
[20:43] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[20:44] <mistawright> nacchow do i reinstall a config file of an application and overwrite the existing?
[20:44] <nacc> mistawright: possibly `dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname>` or `apt-get install --reinstall <pkgname>` depends on the context, though?
[20:47] <TJ-> Jakey3: read "man gpg2" and see "--cipher-algo". E.g. "gpg2 --cipher-algo AES256 -c file"
[20:48] <Jakey3> TJ-, thanks
[20:49] <TJ-> Jakey3: "gpg2 --version" will list the supported 'cypher' names
[20:50] <Jakey3> thanks
[20:50] <Jakey3> why isnt it easier to encrypt files on ubuntu with different methods?
[20:51] <tgm4883> Jakey3: what do you mean? Didn't TJ- just give you a command?
[20:51] <Jakey3> scratch my last comment
[20:55] <aparaatti> hi, I have added app categories to gnome and manually added desktop-files in them, but now the root level show still some icons that are also in categories/folders how to remove them from "root"?
[20:57] <Jakey3> whats the point of anti virus if malware can be put into the firmware?
[20:58] <k1l_> Jakey3: better ask that in the offtopic channel
[20:58] <Jakey3> ok
[21:12] <imdestroy> hello
[21:15] <bsamorim> hello
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> hello
[21:16] <rembo> hello everyone, how can i modify user group so file/folders created by apache can be accesible for ftp and apache user?
[21:20] <TJ-> rembo: use facls; see "man setfacl"
[21:22] <_damien_> I would like to report a bug (16.04). The windows shortcuts, like Super+W (expose windows) randomly changes to Super+Z. I use a AZERTY keyboard and I suppose sometimes the shortcut use QWERTY instead of AZERTY (maybe at X boot). Must I use ubuntu-bug ? And what components must I choose ?
[21:24] <squinty> !bugs
[21:27] <_damien_> I have read this page, and have tested ubuntu-bug, but dunno what component to choose. I tried Xorg but I end with an auto-generated report and a "send" button
[21:27] <genii> _damien_: Probably the package to file the bug against is keyboard-configuration . If it turns out to be the wrong package, the people reading that bug will re-file it
[21:28] <k1l_> _damien_: it will open in a browser afterwards where you can file more details
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> _damien_  also, the bug already may have be known on launchpad
[21:28] <_damien_> ha ok k1l_, I was afraid to send a pile of unusable data without to be able to add my own text
[21:29] <_damien_> MonkeyDust, I searched about shortcuts and didn't find it actually
[21:30] <_damien_> there is 1148 results :(
[21:30] <isene> After upgrade to 16.04, my authdeamond got kicked out of the building and I now need to run "/usr/sbin/authdaemond start" upon laptop restart. How do I make sure it runs automatically?
[21:30] <isene> Where do I put what?
[21:30] <isene> Or what do I debug?
[21:31] <_damien_> genii, I'll go with keyboard-configuration
[21:40] <_damien_> when you report bug with ubuntu-bug, do you need to add the points 1 to 5 (lsb_release -rd, etc...) ?
[21:41] <tgm4883> _damien_: the points?
[21:41] <_damien_> tgm4883, http://dpaste.com/3YXCHC5
[21:42] <tgm4883> _damien_: yea you need to add that
[21:42] <_damien_> 1 to 4 sorry
[21:42] <_damien_> ok
[21:43] <jessee-> hey does the default (evince) document viewer on xubuntu run code, just in case a pdf file has some code?
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> jessee-  you mean like javascript or css for html, layout etc?
[21:49] <jessee-> MonkeyDust, yep
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> jessee-  there's scribus https://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Your_first_PDF_form_with_Scribus
[21:54] <jessee-> MonkeyDust, so Evince doesn't run any js or whatever? Thats all I wanted to know :)
[22:20] <lucas-arg> guys under ubuntu 16.04 cant apt update ive tryed with main repos and other ones too... dont know whats going on
[22:21] <k1l_> lucas-arg: run "sudo apt update" and put the output into paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[22:23] <lucas-arg> k1l_, weird now i did it
[22:26] <spiritualgamer> what do I do if I forget my zimagez password?
[22:26] <henry__> Hello. I need to reduce a PDF. Which application I can.
[22:26] <henry__> ?
[22:29] <zeryx> hey guys, if my apt-get update command is hanging (aka stopped while getting the package lists), how could I fix this?
[22:29] <zeryx> I've checked my lists file and everything seems to be ok
[22:29] <jessee-> how do I open .docx file abiword says "error importing" file and evince pdf viewer isn't displaying a pdf properly I'm not sure hwy
[22:29] <jessee-> why
[22:30] <bekks> Because abiword isnt capable of opening .docx files, and .docx files arent pdf files.
[22:31] <bekks> You may try libreoffice.
[22:32] <palindrome_> Hey, I am looking for something similar to speccy for windows to monitor my hardware such as temperatures etc. What is a good tool for this?
[22:34] <zeryx> palindrome_: not sure about a widget, but nvidia-smi works for nvidia gpus
[22:34] <_damien_> palindrome_, apt show lm-sensors
[22:34] <_damien_> palindrome_, "Lm-sensors is a hardware health monitoring package for Linux. It allows you
[22:34] <_damien_>  to access information from temperature, voltage, and fan speed sensors."
[22:34] <zeryx> https://gist.github.com/zeryx/6e63a1bdc7200048dafa694b00f95fcc
[22:34] <palindrome_> zeryx, I currently have and AMD would nvidia tools work for it?
[22:34] <zeryx> no
[22:35] <zeryx> there's AMD tools as well, it's just been a whlie since I've used linux with AMD
[22:35] <zeryx> anyone have an idea why apt-get isn't successfully updating? I thought I cleaned out my sources.list but it still keeps failing
[22:35] <jessee-> ok cool I understand about the .docx file bekks ... but what about this pdf it only shows the images on it and not the text, could that be how the pdf came? Can/Should i try another pdf viewer?
[22:36] <bekks> jessee-: I'd use Okular.
[22:36] <_damien_> palindrome_, https://www.linux.com/learn/discovering-and-monitoring-hardware-linux
[22:38] <jessee-> for the pdf? bekks
[22:38] <bekks> jessee-: Yes.
[22:38] <palindrome_> dada, hmm thanks for the information
[22:39] <jessee-> holy SHOOT
[22:39] <jessee-> is it supposed to install all these 106 packages just for okular
[22:40] <bekks> jessee-: Those are dependencies. Yes.
[22:41] <sleepy__> how can I stream photos from one computer to another? like, for example, drag and drop into chrome using cast, and display them in another chrome browser?
[22:41] <soee_> any idea how to fix this: ** (appstreamcli:10695): WARNING **: Exception: Unable to get write lock on /var/cache/app-info/xapian/default: already locked ?
[22:41] <sleepy__> use sudo
[22:41] <soee_> with what command ?
[22:41] <bekks> soee_: already locked means there is some process using it.
[22:42] <sleepy__> sudo whatever you were doing
[22:44] <precise> Hey guys, I booted up my computer and ran apt update/upgrade (like I always do). Today apt update is hanging, currently at "Fetched 94.5 kB in ***". I looked at /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/dpkg.log and neither of them have anything dated today. Any ideas?
[22:45] <bekks> precise: No updates installed, no log entries.
[22:45] <precise> So are there any logs in relation to the progress of apt update?
[22:46] <bekks> precise: The update process is working fine - there were no updates to be installed.
[22:46] <precise> Problem is the program is not exiting with any status...?
[22:46] <bekks> So wait until it exits.
[22:46] <precise> It just hangs without a prompt...
[22:46] <precise> bekks, issue being it has been 30 minutes now
[22:47] <k1l_> precise: wait more than 2 minutes.
[22:47] <precise> 30 > 2?
[22:47] <k1l_> hmm
[22:47] <k1l_> maybe change the mirrors
[22:50] <lucas-arg> sorry me again, after i tried to do sudo apt-get update it downloads all but command does not end, it says downloaded 33.7 mb and gets still there
[22:50] <lucas-arg> after 5 minutes
[22:50] <precise> Same problem here lucas-arg!
[22:50] <precise> What version you running?
[22:50] <lucas-arg> precise, whats going on?
[22:50] <lucas-arg> 16.04
[22:51] <precise> sudo apt update hangs at  "Fetched so 'n so at ***", doesn't exit
[22:51] <precise> I'm on 16.04
[22:52] <lucas-arg> i really dont know whats wrong
[22:52] <precise> lucas-arg: Have you tried 'sudo apt update'? instead of apt-get
[22:52] <lucas-arg> precise, both and they all do the same
[22:52] <lucas-arg> precise, even in synaptic
[22:53] <nkowdley> Hey guys, is anyone on 16.04 and had apt-get update hang?
[22:53] <precise> You make 3 nkowdley
[22:53] <lucas-arg> nkowdley, yes all apparently
[22:53] <nkowdley> the appstream cli refresh bug?
[22:54] <nkowdley> If there a fix available?
[22:54] <nkowdley> Is*
[22:55] <Guest1689>  is apt broken for anyone else tonight ?
[22:55] <Guest1689> on 2 machines (kubuntu 16.04) apt-get update is not completing - since this evevnig
[22:55] <precise> Yes, Guest1689, all of us
[22:55] <Guest1689> ah good
[22:55] <Guest1689> its not a local issue...
[22:56] <precise> I just ran, it on my 14.04 machine and it worked fine, this seems to be isolated to 16.04, What version Guest1689?
[22:56] <Guest1689> 16.04 - in the UK in case its a mirror issue
[22:56] <precise> Nope, US here
[22:56] <CodFection> guys my apk-update is stuck
[22:56] <CodFection> any idea?
[22:57] <lucas-arg> Guest1689, nope im from argentina and its happening to me too
[22:57] <lucas-arg> even changing mirrors
[22:57] <precise> CodFection, it is happening to everyone
[22:57] <CodFection> precise, ok thanks
[22:57] <CodFection> ubuntu lol
[22:57] <nkowdley> Alright cool, glad to see this not just a me issue :)
[22:58] <CodFection> any one in US having the same issue?
[22:58] <nkowdley> Yup
[22:58] <bst11> I want to download some youtube videos youtube-dl is way too slow with my connection anyone has a better alternative?
[22:58] <CodFection> ok cool. lets wait for a fix then
[22:58] <CodFection> bst11, visit alternative.to
[22:59] <bst11> okay
[22:59] <lucas-arg> i enabled proposed to see if anything changes
[22:59] <nkowdley> Can someone run htop/top while running apt and see if appstreamcli refresh is at 100%
[22:59] <velus> hello i have installed scribus on the computer but i cant seem to find it to start it? how would i start it
[23:00] <precise> It is nkowdley if %cPU == refresh
[23:00] <CodFection> velus, thats the ubuntu issue.. u need to restart or log out everytime to see the item u installed.
[23:00] <nkowdley> precise: cool thanks
[23:00] <marus-> is that a good idea to rename my NICs in 16.04 to old names?
[23:00] <lucas-arg> you can do sudo killall appstreamcli
[23:00] <lucas-arg> and sudo apt-get update
[23:00] <precise> lucas-arg: fix?
[23:00] <lucas-arg> then just ctrl+c
[23:01] <lucas-arg> or
[23:01] <lucas-arg> ctrl+x
[23:01] <lucas-arg> after that you can install or upgrade all packages
[23:01] <nkowdley> So just bypass appstreamcli?
[23:01] <lucas-arg> i see a new package in proposed appstreamcli
[23:01] <nkowdley> This? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712
[23:01] <lucas-arg> dont know if it will change anything
[23:01] <nkowdley> yup
[23:02] <nkowdley> just saw that
[23:02] <marus> is that a good idea to rename my NICs in 16.04 to old names?
[23:02] <lucas-arg> i dont know how they consider this a medium problem
[23:02] <nkowdley> How do you enable xenial-proposed?
[23:03] <lucas-arg> nkowdley, i installed synaptic, after that i can choose to enable it in one of the tabs
[23:03] <nkowdley> man package managers in 16.04 have been awful
[23:03] <brucewhealtonjr> Hello all, I was wondering if someone could tell me how to completely remove mysql and instead install mariadb on a new system running Ubuntu 16?
[23:03] <marus> is that a good idea to rename my NICs in 16.04 to old names?
[23:04] <genii> marus: Better to just leave the names as-is unless you have specific reason like scripts which refer to the old names like eth0 or such
[23:04] <nkowdley> I can't install anything through the gnome-software-center and now this
[23:04] <lucas-arg> i can confirm
[23:04] <lucas-arg> after updating system with proposed updates, apt and apt-get and synaptic works ok
[23:05] <nkowdley> 3 year old bug finally comes out of hiding
[23:05] <nkowdley> lol
[23:05] <brucewhealtonjr> I know there might be more than package and I think the use of purge is used
[23:05] <marus> genii: yes that's my purpose, scripts doesn't work...
[23:05] <Guest88148> quick question..i read online that its harmless but.. was still wondering what it is.. i keep seeing an error  saying  APCI PCC probe failed  on start up.. even if its harmless..i have to wonder what it meen's
[23:05] <marus> genii: and also i don't understand why this new kind of names
[23:06] <CodFection> Guest88148, u have ACPI problem
[23:06] <nkowdley> lucas-arg: where is the tab for enabling proposed?
[23:06] <genii> marus: Then what you can do is edit /etc/default/grub  and put in there: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="biosdevname=-1 net.ifnames=0"  save the change, then: sudo update-grub
[23:07] <brucewhealtonjr> also, is there any problem having php 5.x and php 7.0 both installed on a system?
[23:07] <genii> marus: And it will revert to the previous generic names of eth0, eth1, wlan0, etc
[23:07] <precise> Hey guys I am refreshing the appstreamcli and this it the output: http://pastebin.com/Lhswp2cC
[23:07] <precise> It is hanging there
[23:08] <CodFection> nkowdley, is apt problem fixed yet?
[23:08] <genii> marus: The reason for the new naming is the same as UUID for hard drives. So the name of the ethernet devices is always unique
[23:08] <nkowdley> codfection: nope, but the bug has been fixed in xenial-proposed
[23:08] <precise> Can you guys see if you get the same results with your appstreamcli? (In relation to the apt hang issue)
[23:08] <nkowdley> supposedly
[23:09] <CodFection> nkowdley, automatically or you had to do some tweaking?
[23:09] <genii> I'm getting the appsteam issue on a Kubuntu 16.04 box here, but not on an Ubuntu Server 16.04 box
[23:09] <HappySomethingSo> Hi
[23:09] <genii> appstreamcli, rather
[23:10] <HappySomethingSo> I've got questions about the new ubuntu 16 and networks
[23:10] <nkowdley> CodFection: yeah, well downloading a newer version of appstreamcli should fix it
[23:10] <precise> This one? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/0.9.4-1ubuntu1
[23:10] <nkowdley> but I am having trouble finding the name of xenial-proposed repo
[23:10] <CodFection> nkowdley, how to? :(
[23:11] <nkowdley> i think so
[23:11] <CodFection> nkowdley, isn't it supposedly fixed automatically. precise
[23:11] <HappySomethingSo> I used to edit /etc/network/interfaces in ubuntu 14 to set up a static ip and it worked. If I do that now, the system either ignores it or fails to raise network interfaces
[23:11] <HappySomethingSo> has something changed from 14 to 16 in regard to how a static ip is configured?
[23:12] <HappySomethingSo> thanks
[23:12] <CodFection> precise, any idea how to fix apt lag issue?
[23:13] <precise> I just downloaded this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/0.9.4-1ubuntu1
[23:13] <precise> Currently am reading through the readme and preparing to install
[23:13] <CodFection> where to save this? (I am running ubuntu 16.04)
[23:13] <genii> HappySomethingSo: What does: grep managed /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf  say?
[23:14] <nkowdley> I just enabled proposed and am going to install this package, then switch back
[23:14] <precise> CodFection, Hold back on installing, I am still tinkering and I don't want to bork your system.
[23:14] <nkowdley> but either method should work
[23:14] <HappySomethingSo> genii: grep: /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf: No such file or directory
[23:14] <precise> nkowdley, IYO, would that be easier than compiling?
[23:14] <nkowdley> yeah
[23:14] <nkowdley> precise: yeah, but you have to remember to switch back
[23:15] <genii> Hm
[23:15] <CodFection> precise, alright mate.
[23:15] <HappySomethingSo> genii: I had no idea how to fix the raise network interfaces problem, so I'm running off a clean image
[23:15] <precise> For future reference: enable proposed repository directions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[23:15] <CodFection> please guys let me know if anyone manage to fix this issue
[23:16] <OerHeks> apt lag issue, choose faster mirror?
[23:16] <HappySomethingSo> genii: My network/interfaces file reads like this http://pastebin.com/ULn6LZt8
[23:17] <precise> OerHeks, See this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712
[23:17] <HappySomethingSo> genii: the source interface part I don't recognize from ubuntu 14 and I think it may have something to do with that
[23:17] <brucewhealtonjr> Is there any package that helps with two monitors and laying out windows on the desktop like using the right half of one monitor and the left side top half of a monitor (1/4 size of the display)?
[23:17] <HappySomethingSo> genii: but if I edit the file in  /etc/network/interfaces.d/ it overwrites it on boot. If I delete it, it fails to raise network interfaces
[23:18] <precise> nkowdley, There are some 300MB of packages in proposed fyi
[23:18] <nkowdley> yeah, i was just trying to install appstream
[23:18] <nkowdley> not everything
[23:18] <precise> just with an apt install?
[23:18] <OerHeks> precise, wait for the xenial update, i wouldn go to proposed if i can avoid that
[23:18] <nkowdley> yup
[23:19] <precise> OekHeks, How can you patch an update bug with an update?
[23:19] <nkowdley> precise: not sure if its going to work, since I'm doing some hacky stuff here
[23:20] <genii> HappySomethingSo: So put whatever static entry you would normally have in the /etc/network/interfaces file into a file like /etc/network/interfaces.d/static.cfg
[23:21] <marus> genii: your solution doesn't help
[23:22] <genii> marus: It is the recommended solution which the Launchpad bug mentioned there refers to
[23:22] <bst11> hi I'm following the following description to install wordpress in lamp   https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-wordpress-on-ubuntu-16.04-lamp/
[23:22] <HappySomethingSo> genii: but there's already a file there, it's called 50-cloud-init.cfg
[23:22] <HappySomethingSo>  and has this in it: http://pastebin.com/XSthDVUh
[23:22] <bst11> Im facing an error at loading the default url
[23:23] <HappySomethingSo> genii: does this matter?
[23:23] <reisio> bst11: this is a great opportunity to choose something less insecure, and less generally awful
[23:23] <marus> genii:http://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/mini-howtos/change-default-network-name-ens33-to-old-eth0-on-ubuntu-16-04.html
[23:24] <bst11> reisio: what do i do then?
[23:24] <reisio> bst11: there are many less awful CMSes you could use
[23:24] <reisio> and less awful bases than PHP
[23:24] <genii> marus: Sorry, wrong user
[23:24] <reisio> bst11: what's the error you're getting?
[23:25] <Pinkamena_D> tried to upgrade 14.04 to 16.04, installer said there were errors but It restarted anyway. Still starts up ok but I cant seem to run apt-get update: it stopt at downloading us.archive.com/ubuntu with "appstreamcli" process taking 100% cpu forever. Any suggestion to fix? it does not behave normally after a restart.
[23:25] <CodFection> precise, any solution yet?
[23:25] <bekks> Pinkamena_D: Updating from 14.04 to 16.04 isnt supported yet, it will be supported once 16.04.1 is released.
[23:25] <genii> HappySomethingSo: : It is the recommended solution which the Launchpad bug mentioned there refers to. So the file which is currently in there is how your changes in /etc/network/interfaces is being overwritten
[23:25] <marus> genii: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" not -1
[23:25] <bst11> reisio: when i load this http://<IP_ADDRESS>/wordpress i get unable to connect
[23:25] <precise> CodFection, rolling on nkowdley direction and installing appstream from proposed, any progress nkowdley?
[23:26] <genii> marus: biosdevname=-1, not biosdevname=0
[23:26] <Pinkamena_D> well, I just went to the software updater and it said that 16.04 was available, so I clicked the button. Not trying to do anything shifty...
[23:26] <genii> thats a minus sign, and then a 1
[23:26] <HappySomethingSo> genii: ok, I'll try it now
[23:27] <marus> genii: i've tryed it but doesn't help, on the link they make =0
[23:27] <reisio> bst11: what makes you think <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP?
[23:28] <genii> marus: Remember that you need to do after that: sudo update-grub  ...and that a reboot is needed before the change takes effect
[23:28] <precise> OerHeks, any reason that you know of that appstream is taking so long to install? nkowdley?
[23:28] <Pinkamena_D> bekks: is there any way to fix this problem at this time?
[23:29] <genii> marus: Also, it is -1 and not 0 for the biosdevname value.
[23:29] <bst11> my ip doesnt work as much either
[23:29] <bekks> Pinkamena_D: I dont think so, since you are runninh an unsupported configuration right now.
[23:29] <bekks> *running
[23:30] <reisio> bst11: is it supposed to be a server on the machine you're currently using?
[23:30] <HappySomethingSo> genii: it dodn't work, and now if I run ifconfig I get random letters instead of eth0
[23:30] <marus> genii:i've rebootet several times, only eth0 is changed, but not the wlan0
[23:30] <Pinkamena_D> bekks: There should be a more explicit warning on the upgrade, especially for a gui tool. How about a downgrade?
[23:30] <HappySomethingSo> genii: http://pastebin.com/bR2mdi4s
[23:31] <OerHeks> precise, appstream is optional. if you encounter issues, de-install untill the update arrives?
[23:31] <bst11> reisio: yeah i installed lamp tring to follow up with wordpress
[23:31] <Pinkamena_D> Do you know what appstreamcli actually does?
[23:31] <bekks> Pinkamena_D: Downgrades arent supported. And you selected to upgrade to a development release, did you?
[23:31] <reisio> bst11: you can just use 'localhost' (http://localhost/) then
[23:31] <reisio> bst11: you probably don't have apache or whatever web server you've installed actually running yet
[23:32] <Pinkamena_D> my actions were going to the software update tool (through dash) and checking for updates.
[23:32] <bst11> reisio localhost just being out the default apache page
[23:32] <Pinkamena_D> once it finished, it said that '16.04' was available, so I clicked the button to upgrade
[23:32] <Pinkamena_D> that is all
[23:32] <bst11> let me paste in some screenshots
[23:33] <reisio> bst11: that means Apache is running, then
[23:33] <reisio> bst11: try http://localhost/wordpress/ now, if you indeed have a 'wordpress' dir in there
[23:33] <Pinkamena_D> lsb_release shows just "ubuntu 16.04 LTS", is there another place to look for a subversion which may be 'development' ?
[23:33] <mistawright> hi guys i have to use ubuntu 14.04 and need to install php 5.3.10 and associated modules. what would be the best way to go about this as I have been trying for hours to get what i need installed
[23:33] <bst11> reisio: alright
[23:33] <bekks> Pinkamena_D: Subversion has nothing to do with it.
[23:33] <genii> HappySomethingSo: Yes, that is the new Constant Naming Scheme thing in place now, as I was just explaining earlier to marus
[23:34] <bst11> reisio: nothing just a clean white page
[23:34] <genii> HappySomethingSo: Network device names are now given a name which has part of their MAC in it so that the names remain the same
[23:34] <bst11> reisio: could it be that i did not install wordpress correctly?
[23:35] <OerHeks> !info php5 trusty
[23:35] <precise> OerHeks, wait, I thought appstream was part of the apt utility?
[23:35] <OerHeks> mistawright, why 5.3? nobody uses that anymore ..
[23:35] <reisio> bst11: it's more likely your PHP isn't installed/configured, or apache isn't configured to use it
[23:35] <reisio> bst11: try http://localhost/wordpress/index.php directly
[23:36] <genii> HappySomethingSo: If you do the steps I outlined to them just earlier, the naming will revert to the old eth0 kind
[23:36] <OerHeks> precise, i don't have it on 15.10
[23:36] <bst11> reisio: alright
[23:36] <HappySomethingSo> genii: I don't mind the new name, but the static ip didn't work
[23:36] <mistawright> OerHeks, I have an application that requires it and until devs cleanup this code my hand is forced
[23:37] <milena_> 123456
[23:37] <genii> HappySomethingSo: Please pastebin whatever is in the .cfg files in /etc/network/interfaces.d directory, please
[23:37] <HappySomethingSo> genii: I added static.cfg to /etc/network/interfaces.d/ and wrote what I normally write for static ips, but now it's blank
[23:37] <Pinkamena_D> bekks: ok, it looks like uninstalling the 'appstream' package with apt-get has fixed this issue.  I am not familiar with it.
[23:37] <precise> OerHeks, I uninstalled and all works now...
[23:37] <HappySomethingSo> genii: the system erased it on boot
[23:37] <OerHeks> it is part of an IDE, not sure which one
[23:37] <OerHeks> !ide
[23:37] <nkowdley> precise: you still here
[23:38] <HappySomethingSo> genii: apparently. It also reverts any changes made to the other file
[23:38] <precise> Yeah whats up?
[23:38] <genii> HappySomethingSo: What did you do with the other file that was already in there?
[23:38] <precise> nkowdley
[23:38] <nkowdley> precise: so real hacky solution
[23:38] <HappySomethingSo> genii: nothing, it's still there
[23:38] <precise> go on
[23:38] <nkowdley> precise: sudo mv /usr/bin/appstreamcli /usr/bin/appstreamcli.bak
[23:38] <bekks> !info check-all-the-things
[23:38] <nkowdley> lol
[23:38] <genii> HappySomethingSo: Please pastebin whatever is in it
[23:38] <nkowdley> precise: it works
[23:38] <bst11> reisio: was not found on server
[23:38] <bekks> Pinkamena_D: Thats where it is from ^.
[23:38] <genii> work, afk 5-7 minutes
[23:39] <nkowdley> precise: lol not a great fix though
[23:39] <precise> lol, I actually uninstalled appstream all together :P
[23:39] <nkowdley> lol
[23:39] <bst11> sending the image
[23:39] <nkowdley> that works too
[23:39] <nkowdley> Alright guys, gotta go bbl
[23:39] <reisio> bst11: then you probably don't have the 'wordpress' directory where you think it is
[23:39] <precise> see ya
[23:39] <bst11> I think the php was probably not well installed
[23:40] <bst11> reisio: will a reinstallation of php7 fix it?
[23:40] <reisio> bst11: it would still load index.php if it found it, it just wouldn't parse it as PHP
[23:40] <reisio> if it wasn't found, it isn't where you think it is
[23:40] <mistawright> any ideas on how to install php 5.3.10 on ubuntu?
[23:41] <bst11> reisio: alright how about i give it all a try again
[23:41] <reisio> mistawright: 1) suspend sanity (x2) 2) install it 3) done
[23:41] <bst11> reasons why i just love xampp
[23:41] <jnagro> anyone having issues with packagecloud.io hosted apt repos hanging their apt update?
[23:41] <reisio> bst11: xampp won't help you with not knowing where your files are
[23:41] <jnagro> in my case, Slack client installed one
[23:41] <jnagro> https://packagecloud.io/slacktechnologies/slack/debian just hangs forever
[23:42] <CodFection> is apt update still lagging?
[23:42] <mistawright> reisio, tried and failed using apt
[23:42] <bst11> reisio: it has a graphical way of just installing the whole thing without much trouble
[23:42] <HappySomethingSo> genii: sorry for the wait, pastebin is really slow now
[23:42] <mistawright> reisio, couldnt install php-dev without pulling in php 5.5.9
[23:42] <reisio> mistawright: it's very unlikely you need php5 or php5.3 particularly over php5.5
[23:43] <bst11> reisio: any alternative for all this?
[23:43] <reisio> bst11: AFAIK your only problem is that you don't know where your files are; you should figure out how to know where your files are, that is important
[23:43] <mistawright> reisio, unable to install dbx with php 5.5.9 and our application isnt fully compatible
[23:44] <bst11> reisio: alright thanks
[23:44] <reisio> mistawright: time to fix your application
[23:44] <reisio> mistawright: what're you going to do when php5 is even more discontinued, security compromised, and full of buggy holes than it is now?
[23:44] <bekks> mistawright: How are you trying to install dbx?
[23:44] <genii> marus: What is it calling the wifi interface now instead of wlan0 ?
[23:44] <CodFection> guys my apt-get update is still stuck and cant get it fixed. please help
[23:45] <mistawright> bekks, pecl/pear which fails due to phpize being missing
[23:45] <OerHeks> CodFection, choose faster mirror?
[23:45] <CodFection> OerHeks, how ?
[23:46] <bekks> mistawright: sudo apt-get install php5-dev
[23:46] <OerHeks> softwarecenter > sources
[23:46] <Bashing-om> !info appstreamcli
[23:46] <mistawright> bekks, i did which tries to pull in php 5.5.9 though
[23:46] <bekks> !info check-all-the-things | Bashing-om thats the package containing appstream
[23:46] <WoodyPC> Does anyone know anything about a program called mono-complete?
[23:46] <bekks> mistawright: Which is intended.
[23:47] <genii> Bashing-om: It's in the appstream package
[23:47] <bekks> mistawright: After installing php 5.5.9 properly, from the repos, you will be able to install dbx.
[23:47] <Bashing-om> bekks: genii Thanks .. a similar issue on the forum too .
[23:47] <WoodyPC> I have looked it up, but most of it is code or source code.
[23:48] <HappySomethingSo> genii: pastebin doesn't load at all
[23:48] <HappySomethingSo> genii: http://pasted.co/45a1f639
[23:49] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/mono-complete
[23:49] <CodFection> OerHeks, so change it to US server?
[23:49] <OerHeks> CodFection, the mirror selector has an option to look for the fastest mirror
[23:49] <OerHeks> us/main is fine
[23:50] <jessee-> any other pdf reader besides okular that is as good as adobe reader
[23:50] <genii> HappySomethingSo: So in this case, I would either: rename that file to something that doesn't end in .cfg and re-make the static.cfg file... or: just edit it to make the static change there instead of a different file
[23:50] <CodFection> chose US and still stuck
[23:50] <CodFection> OerHeks,
[23:50] <HappySomethingSo> genii: it reverts any changes made to the file
[23:50] <OerHeks> CodFection, then it is your network/isp
[23:50] <CodFection> OerHeks, but my internet is working fine..
[23:51] <CodFection> OerHeks, thats why I can chat now right..
[23:51] <genii> HappySomethingSo: Sounds like something on your hosting provider's end then, where they give you dhcp by default and you probably have to request a change from them to static
[23:52] <HappySomethingSo> genii: the server is mine
[23:52] <genii> HappySomethingSo: Weird.  Caused by bad file systems / journalling, yes
[23:55] <TJ-> genii: sounds more like a non-persistent container to me
[23:56] <TJ-> genii: might be worth putting an inotifywatch on the directory, see when/if the file is accessed/written
[23:56] <CodFection> Hi TJ
[23:56] <CodFection> I trust u
[23:56] <CodFection> can u please help me solve one issue
[23:57] <CodFection> whenever I run apt-get update it stucks
[23:57] <TJ-> I was just off to bed!
[23:57] <CodFection> or even using software update
[23:57] <Bashing-om> Pinkamena_D: bekks :: The Cog on the forum has a work-a-round : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325168 that worked for him .
[23:57] <TJ-> CodFection: how does it stick? times out trying to fetch files?
[23:57] <CodFection> no
[23:57] <CodFection> after fetched
[23:57] <CodFection> it stucks
[23:58] <OerHeks> CodFection, show us the output of update
[23:58] <HappySomethingSo> \join #ubuntu-server
[23:58] <genii> Hm
[23:59] <michagogo> Hi, can anyone help me with an LXC question? I'm trying to get started with a container and can't seem to figure out how to make this work. I created it with sudo lxc-create -t ubuntu. I'm able to lxc-start it, and lxc-attach to it, but I can't, for example, ssh into it. I assume there's some kind of networking setup I need to do, but I can't find anything
[23:59] <michagogo> that clearly explains how to make it work -- how to give the host network access to the container and/or how to give the container access to the Internet.