[00:02] <jbicha> unity does not depend on ccsm, ccsm is an optional addon for those who want to attempt tweaking unity/compiz
[00:04] <Roasted> jbicha, right, but you NEED ccsm to adjust anything, right?
[00:05] <anthropos> i thnk you can adjust some very high-level options without it
[00:05] <Roasted> I just want to adjust the sensitivity when I mouse to my other monitor
[00:05] <Roasted> it hesitaes a bit more than I'd like
[00:12] <jbicha> Roasted: you can turn Sticky Edge on and off in System Settings>Displays, there's some other options in Appearance too
[00:16] <Roasted> jbicha, nice nice. I was hoping I could tone it down but having it off is a bit nicer than on in my opinion
[00:16] <Roasted> thanks for that
[00:19] <jbicha> Roasted: that's a brand new feature from Friday :)
[00:19] <Roasted> jbicha, very nice :)
[00:19] <Roasted> I'm really starting to become a unity fanboy...
[00:19] <Roasted> I have to admit 12.04 is quite nice
[00:39] <imnichol> whenever I log in with unity3d, the launcher, panel, and icons don't appear.  What package can I run "dpkg-reconfigure" on in order to fix that?
[00:40] <itaylor57> imnichol, you could try unity --reset
[00:41] <itaylor57> that will restart and reset  unity
[00:41] <imnichol> Ok thanks
[00:41] <imnichol> If I'm running unity-2d, will it still reset unity3d?
[00:41] <itaylor57> or maybe if that does not work, you might try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[00:42] <itaylor57> i think so but let me check
[00:42] <itaylor57> do you use compiz?
[00:42] <imnichol> yes
[00:43] <itaylor57> --reset
[00:43] <itaylor57>               This option allows the user to reset profile parameters in  com‐
[00:43] <itaylor57>               piz and restart the Unity shell with default settings.
[00:43] <imnichol> thanks
[00:43] <itaylor57> so it should work
[00:44] <snadge> yeah.. i installed the compiz update today
[00:44] <snadge> and got the frozen desktop thing.. which is what the update was ironically supposed to fix.. and it was working fine prior to that ;)
[00:44] <snadge> unity --reset segfaulted.. but then.. it works after that.. quality stuff
[00:45] <snadge> i like the new display settings btw.. being able to configure which displays the launcher is on.. and whether the transition between the desktops is sticky.. nice
[00:57] <itaylor57> yea had to do unity --reset in unity2d to get 3d back alive
[01:19] <Artemis3> i did an upgrade to 12.04, my old user won't show panels, not with unity, not with xfce or lxde, i made a new user and they work fine. What would i need to check to fix the old?
[01:19] <snadge> rm -rf ~/
[01:19] <snadge> should do it :p
[01:20] <Artemis3> yes and rm -r /home to but thats besides the point :P
[01:20] <snadge> maybe a unity --reset
[01:20] <snadge> if it segfaults when you do that.. that means it worked
[01:20] <snadge> heh
[01:21] <Artemis3> but why it would affect xfce as well?
[01:21] <itaylor57> snadge, i got the same after i told you to reset lol
[01:21] <snadge> thats a good question.. i think xfce may use compiz from memory
[01:21] <snadge> so in that case.. you need to manually delete your compiz settings
[01:22] <snadge> umm.. ~/.config/compiz-1  .. possibly other places too.. theres a .compiz-1
[01:23] <Artemis3> ok ill try that
[01:23] <snadge> you could also try the gnome classic (no effects) session
[01:23] <snadge> which uses metacity
[01:23] <Artemis3> brb, i will check that and unity 2d etc
[01:29] <Artemis3> well that didn't work... what could it be? panels won't show with lxde either.
[01:31] <itaylor57> i also recently noticed that shutdown from menu does not work it just logs me out
[01:31] <itaylor57> same with reboot
[01:32] <Artemis3> there must be something in my user folder that sabotages panels somehow... but what? and across 3 DEs?
[01:32] <Artemis3> (unity 2d just crashes)
[01:35] <Artemis3> besides ./config and ,/cache, where else could be user config files affecting the panels?
[01:43] <snadge> umm.. theres a .gconf
[01:51] <faryshta> Does unity allow fullscreen?
[01:52] <log> Yes.
[01:53] <faryshta> log, I mean can I hide the menu bar?
[01:53] <log> In which application?
[01:53] <log> All of them?
[01:53] <faryshta> log, yes.
[01:53] <faryshta> log, I like to use multiple desktops and have one application on each.
[01:54] <log> Hmm, not sure...
[01:58] <WilsonBradley> I want to run a script on my on my desktop. I created a document and put in; sudo happy.py. I want to keep the terminal open , when I click on it , it asks for root then flashes closes. /
[01:58] <snadge> hmm.. archive manager doesnt open udf formatted iso files.. how lame
[02:05] <roasted_> Hello!
[02:05] <roasted_> How can I get the unity bar to auto hide? Is ccsm needed there?
[02:06] <itaylor57> no look in system appearance
[02:06] <itaylor57> i.e. behavior
[02:07] <roasted_> ahhh
[02:07] <roasted_> beautiful
[02:07] <roasted_> thank you!
[02:58] <Numerical> Does http://packages.ubuntu.com provide accurate package information for precise?
[03:02] <glosoli> Numerical: what kind of information ?
[03:04] <Numerical> package versions in the repository
[03:04] <Numerical> ?
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> if you know the source package, launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagename will have the very latest
[03:05] <glosoli> Numerical: or if you are on the system which package version you need sudo apt-cache show package_name
[03:06] <Numerical> The thing is not working https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-current
[03:06] <Numerical> emptu page
[03:06] <Numerical> I'm trying to see if the nvidia driver was updated to the latest version
[03:06] <Numerical> http://packages.ubuntu.com says that it's 295.20
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> the source package for nvidia-current is nvidia-graphics-drivers
[03:07] <glosoli> use my command
[03:07] <Numerical> I'm not ok thanks
[03:07] <Numerical> this works and it shows the same version
[03:08] <Numerical> I'm not on precize but the 295.20 had multiple problems with 11.10
[03:08] <glosoli> Well it most likely version in UBuntu itself will likely be outdated most of the times
[03:08] <glosoli> :)
[03:08] <Numerical> yes
[03:08] <glosoli> I always do build debs for my ATI
[03:08] <Numerical> but 295.20 is broken
[03:09] <Numerical> there is 295.33 was released 3-4 days ago
[03:10] <glosoli> build debs for it
[03:10] <Numerical> I'm not a packager
[03:11] <Numerical> it's already in xorg-edgers repo
[03:11] <Numerical> even for precise
[03:11] <glosoli> don't touch xorg-edgers
[03:11] <Numerical> but it wasn't pushed in the official reposirtory
[03:11] <glosoli> it's dangerous thing
[03:11] <glosoli> :)
[03:11] <Numerical> and I'm wandering why
[03:11] <Numerical> no it's not that dangerous :)
[03:11] <glosoli> edgers is for bleeding edge
[03:12] <Numerical> well 295.20 is broken
[03:12] <Numerical> the nvidia fourm is full of bug reports
[03:12] <Numerical> 295.33 fixed the problems
[03:13] <glosoli> Numerical: well but xorg edgers works for you ?
[03:13] <Numerical> yes it does
[03:13] <glosoli> ah ok then :)
[03:14] <Numerical> I'm not asking for help to fix a problem
[03:15] <Numerical> I'm just worried that due to the freezes we'll get a broken nvidia driver
[03:15] <Numerical> in precise
[03:15] <Numerical> does this makes any sense to you? :)
[03:15] <glosoli> it makes, I am sure drivers will me updated :)
[03:15] <glosoli> its an LTS release, shouldn't go different way
[03:16] <Numerical> ok, thanks :)
[03:16] <Numerical> shouldn't is not the same as will not :)
[03:16] <glosoli> Numerical: well, as I am not one of devs, I can never be sure
[03:16] <glosoli> ;D
[03:18] <Numerical> ok, thanks for the assistance :)
[03:19] <glosoli> Numerical: np, wasn't any big help :) in btw, if people reported that in launchpad, it for sure will be fixed
[03:25] <beata1> I'm looking for how to use a wiimote as a remote control. Previously, on Oneiric, the package 'wiican' worked wonders, but the new bluetooth input service apparently supersedes it. What alternatives are there for mapping wiimote button presses to commands?
[03:35] <bullgard4> I wonder if Precise will provide a Hibernate button.
[03:35] <glosoli> bullgard4: heard people saying that it will :)
[03:36] <bullgard4> ._9
[03:38] <ferni> hibernate button?
[03:38] <glosoli> he meant menu item
[03:38] <glosoli> now there is only option for Suspend, even though you can do it from terminal
[03:39] <ferni> ah, really someone uses hibernate?
[03:39] <ferni> its faster to turn off and back again. and for everything else, there is suspend
[03:40] <ferni> I though we finally got rid of the stupid hibernate thing :)
[03:41] <glosoli> ferni: don't remember using it, but there are some people who need it
[03:42] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/901565/
[03:42] <tarvid> dns is not working
[03:42] <bullgard4> ferni: You seem not to have understood what hibernate is for
[03:44] <glosoli> saving the last state
[03:44] <glosoli> That's kinda useful if you do a lot of stuff
[03:44] <glosoli> have opened like 10 programs and etc :) its a pain for  myself to always load all the stuff
[03:47] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/901569/
[03:47] <tarvid> dns is not working
[03:49] <glosoli> tarvid: hmm
[03:49] <tarvid> resolvconf does not dnsnameservers in resolv,conf
[03:50] <tarvid> and route is screwed up too
[03:50] <glosoli> tarvid: sorry I am incompetent to help you this question :)
[03:50] <ferni> why do you have the up route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:50] <ferni> line
[03:51] <ferni> remove that
[03:51] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/901569/
[03:51] <tarvid> done
[03:51] <tarvid> doesn't help
[03:51] <tarvid> leftover from 11.10 and two nics when avahi screwed up
[03:51] <ferni> can you ping those nameservers?
[03:52] <tarvid> no
[03:52] <tarvid> no route out
[03:53] <tarvid> can ping peers
[03:54] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/901584/
[03:54] <tarvid> this box sort of worked earlier today
[03:54] <argrubbs> Hey guys. I recently tried to install openjdk-7-jre:i386 because I thought it would solve a problem with Minecraft, but now my package manager is messed up. It wants to install it, but it can't. I can't remove it and the package manager is totally stuck. Any ideas?
[03:55] <ferni> you still have two default entries
[03:56] <ferni> try ifdown -a && ifup -a
[03:56] <tarvid> correct
[03:56] <c_smith> I wonder, would download problems with KDE-Look travel over to Gnome-Look?
[03:56] <c_smith> no, I'm not planning on hacking them, I'm actually having problems with KDE-look. :(
[03:58] <c_smith> found a link that actually works on KDE-look.org. what are the chances?
[03:58] <c_smith> rhetorical question there. :P
[03:59] <roasted> hello!
[03:59] <roasted> I noticed on my unity bar, if I click xchat, a new one opens. Err... I have an existing one open, I want it to switch there. Any idea?
[04:01] <c_smith> bleh, I just realized I'm on #ubuntu+1, not #ubuntu-offtopic. >.<
[04:01]  * c_smith heads over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:04] <glosoli> c_smith: :DD
[04:06] <KM0201> roasted: use lxde!!!! ;)
[04:06] <roasted> KM0201, been there, done that.
[04:06] <roasted> KM0201, I'm over it. :D
[04:06] <KM0201> you're nanners!
[04:06] <roasted> I remember having this issue once upon a time...
[04:06] <roasted> I think the only reason I didn't run into it on my desktop is because I kept the home dir...
[04:07] <argrubbs> Hey guys. I tried to install a package and it failed and now I can't install anything else. I tried apt-get -f install but it just fails over and over again.
[04:08] <glosoli> argrubbs: I am sure there are any other workarounds, tryed log out login  ? :D
[04:08] <argrubbs> Yeah, I tried a whole restart. It's still there.
[04:08] <glosoli> do you remember package name ?
[04:09] <argrubbs> openjdk-7-jre-headless:i386
[04:09] <glosoli> sudo apt-get autoremove package_name
[04:09] <glosoli> ?
[04:09] <argrubbs> It says it's not installed, so not removed.
[04:10] <argrubbs> It fails on the install, and now I can't do anything.
[04:10] <glosoli> hmm remember having similar problem, but don't remember what I did
[04:10] <glosoli> :/
[04:11] <glosoli> sudo apt-get install --reinstall package_name
[04:11] <glosoli>  ?
[04:11] <argrubbs> It's giving me dpkg errors.
[04:12] <glosoli> what errors ?
[04:12] <argrubbs> I tried apt-get update to make sure I got the latest one and everything.
[04:12] <glosoli> argrubbs: what errors ?
[04:12] <argrubbs> /etc/java-7-openjdk/fontconfig.bfc' is not in sync with other instances of the same package
[04:13] <argrubbs> So, it looks like the package in the repos is broken.
[04:13] <glosoli> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/964303
[04:13] <glosoli> there is abug filled
[04:13] <argrubbs> Okay. Is there any way for me to gain control over my package manager or do I just reinstall?
[04:14] <glosoli> hmm I don't know you may try googling it or waiting for any other response, I need to go to college
[04:14] <argrubbs> Okay, thanks for your help. :)
[04:14] <glosoli> sorry
[04:14] <glosoli> hope you find the way out
[04:15] <glosoli> of that problem
[04:15] <glosoli> :)
[04:20] <alex_mayorga> dash and the toolbar is gone here =( how can I get them back?
[04:48] <alex_mayorga> Apparently https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/963633
[04:51] <Artemis3> ah thats my bug all right...
[07:47] <Xunil> Hi, just a short question: does anybody know a tool like kteatime, but for xfce/gnome?
[08:15] <hifi> really, a tea timer?
[08:44] <Xunil> hifi: A program which countdowns a specific time, e.g. 3 or 5 minutes, displays the progress visually and notifies by a popup about the finishing
[08:49] <LambdaDusk> um, hello. I've got a program here that won't start because "libGL.so.1" is missing and I wanted to ask how to obtain it. The package libgl1-mesa-glx is installed correctly
[08:49] <LambdaDusk> I just saw it is also installed: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 so why doesn't the app find it?
[08:53] <ferni> ldd /path/to/program |grep libGL
[08:55] <LambdaDusk> ferni: 	libGL.so.1 => not found
[08:57] <ferni> is that a 32-bit app? If so, you need to install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[08:58] <LambdaDusk> ferni: Hm I have not checked, one moment
[08:59] <LambdaDusk> ferni: Thank you! Thank you so much!
[09:05] <LambdaDusk> ok the app crashed, took gnome with it, and now I lost hardware acceleration and gnome-shell won't start =/
[09:26] <sshd> hello
[09:26] <sshd> i use ubuntu 12.04
[09:26] <sshd> after last upgrade i have problem with ssh
[09:26] <sshd> 3~
[09:26] <sshd>  i can not connect to any devices or servers via ssh
[09:29] <sshd> i use openssh client and openssh-server
[09:29] <Ian_Corne> you need to give more information about the error
[09:36] <sshd> Ian_Corne: when i connect via ssh to any cisco device
[09:37] <sshd> in log on cisco i can see
[09:37] <sshd> RP/0/RP0/CPU0:Mar 27 12:37:16.308 : SSHD_[65862]: %SECURITY-SSHD-6-INFO_GENERAL : Client closes socket connection
[09:37] <sshd> RP/0/RP0/CPU0:Mar 27 12:37:16.308 : SSHD_[65862]: %SECURITY-SSHD-3-ERR_GENERAL : Failed to receive Channel open request
[09:38] <sshd> from my computer
[09:39] <zzecool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/966068
[09:39] <sshd> but if i install putty
[09:39] <sshd> all works great
[10:29] <DropsOfSerenity> what's the deal with certain applications not showing as running in the unity bar, such as scite the text editor?
[10:46] <rye> hello, a lot of fullscreen windows when switched to them don't have the bottom 29 pixels redrawn - happens e.g. with virt-manager when switching to it from firefox, or full-screen shotwell image preview
[10:47] <rye> Even though the window is full-screen it sometimes fails to be really full screen, thus leaving that 29 pixels to the window behind it
[10:48] <rye> here's how it looks - http://ubuntuone.com/4PTDoXtsluJ79vdCqXLVND
[10:54]  * rye just realized it is a wrong channel
[11:04] <coz_> hey guys.. ctr=alt+del gives me the shut down dialog UI, however in the past the same keybinding gave log out dialog UI.. is there another keybnding and or command to bring up the Log off dialog UI?
[11:05] <coz_> /usr/lib/indicator-session/gtk-logout-helper --shutdown  now gives an alternate shutdown dialog
[11:07] <coz_> AH!!  nevermind :) found it
[11:08] <cillo573> is there precise time when 29th day beta 2 will be released?
[11:09] <coz_> cillo573,  not that I am aware of
[11:10] <cillo573> coz_:  ok, thanks
[11:35] <pangolin> cillo573, there is never a specific time given, just the day.
[11:58] <cillo573> pangolin: ok, thanks
[12:01] <Sidewinder1> And, in the preceding 23 hrs. hundreds of "Is it out yet? Is it out yet?" Sigh..
[12:07] <ironhalik> whats out? Whatever it is, is it out yet?!
[12:18] <WilsonBradley> Anyone else use Live Linux boot of a USB ?
[12:20] <orflon> I just installed from netboot 12.04 with no problems during install.  I read somewhere that's it's a graphics issue. any clues?
[12:30] <orflon> anyone?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> not sure how precise arranges themes
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> orflon: you can try deviantart.com and look for 12.04 desktop screenshots
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> many times they say what to install
[12:32] <orflon> lotuspsychje, I don't even get a login window
[12:32] <orflon> I get a black screen with the cursor
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> strange
[12:40] <WilsonBradley> Anyone else use Live Linux boot of a USB  Persistance / Casper-rw ? Simple question.. Can I increase the Filesystem size? Trying to do an  update on it and it says it's to small to do a 1+gb partial update. Maybe I should just download the LATEST build?
[12:42] <orflon> no clue then?
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> orflon: reask your question here once in a while
[12:42] <orflon> ok
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> someone will reply on a moment with more activity
[12:59] <zipace> hi
[13:00] <zipace> is it safe to upgrade ro pangolin right now? as in, does anyone have experience with the current state?
[13:21] <orflon> it moved a bit from the black screen, and I got a terminal , but no graphical
[13:22] <orflon> X isn't installed?
[13:33] <topyli> orflon: what is 'it'? a new ubuntu desktop installation?
[13:40] <orflon> topyli, yes sorry
[13:40] <orflon> i'm installing gdm now, there wasn't gnome in it?
[13:40] <orflon> by default i mean
[13:45] <RobertPlummer> Hello gentlement. I've installed ubuntu 12.04, and I have as well installed gnome-tweak-tool, which has reset my close button to the right.  How can I get it to the left?
[13:45] <RobertPlummer> It seems no matter what I try, gconf-tool, it will not change back to left.
[13:46] <RobertPlummer> I am a developer, so changing code is not a problem.
[13:50] <RobertPlummer> The only thing I can do is add more buttons, I added minimize, maximize, but no switching sides.
[13:50] <RobertPlummer> Anyone?
[13:50] <RobertPlummer> It was working before I installed gnome tweak tool
[13:57] <arand> RobertPlummer: Maybe unity --reset would do it, though that would loose all other unity tweaks as well..
[13:57] <RobertPlummer> Sorry, I'm running gnome shell.
[13:57] <RobertPlummer> arand: any change? unity seems ok.
[13:59] <RobertPlummer> ie, unity has the close button on the right side.
[14:02] <RobertPlummer> arand: ?
[14:02] <arand> In that case I don't know
[14:04] <RobertPlummer> What could be over-riding it?
[14:05] <RobertPlummer> How can I remove gnome-tweak-tool and purge all the changes it has made?
[14:06] <jbicha_> RobertPlummer: GNOME Shell has the close buttons on the right, are you sure you're using GNOME Shell?
[14:06] <RobertPlummer> Yes using gnome shell.
[14:06] <RobertPlummer> I'd like them on the left.
[14:06] <RobertPlummer> I had them on the left after I installed ubuntu 12.04
[14:06] <jbicha_> ah, ok
[14:06] <RobertPlummer> I installed tweak tool and everything just changed when I went to change the theme.
[14:07] <RobertPlummer> Now the theme is as well stuck and the close minimize maximize.
[14:07] <RobertPlummer> The theme for the bars.
[14:07] <RobertPlummer> i can change the theme and the button type in gnome tweak, but I can't change the side.
[14:07] <RobertPlummer> and I can't make the taskbar theme change when I'm in appearance.
[14:09] <jbicha_> RobertPlummer: gnome-shell 3.4 has switched to dconf/gsettings, run dconf-editor (you may need to install dconf-tools)
[14:09] <jbicha_> and look in org.gnome.shell.overrides button-layout
[14:10] <min|dvir|us-work> Why is the repo allowed to contain broken packages?
[14:11] <min|dvir|us-work> Shouldn't there be some basic pre-push testing?
[14:11] <RobertPlummer> WOOOHOOO!
[14:11] <RobertPlummer> Fixed!
[14:12] <RobertPlummer> jbicha_: What about the taskbar theme that is stuck enless I change it in gnome tweak?
[14:12] <RobertPlummer> jbicha_: Can I remove gconf?
[14:14] <jfrorie> ne1 good at debugging boot issues?
[14:14] <jbicha_> RobertPlummer: no, there's still too much that needs gconf
[14:15] <jbicha_> you can file the window theme bug against gnome-control-center if you like, it's something I'd like to fix but it won't happen this week
[14:15] <RobertPlummer> jbicha_: Ok, thanks for your help.
[14:22] <jfrorie> 100 Internets for a boot expert! ;)
[14:25] <zzecool> Is anyone with nvidia having problems with the latest unity  + compiz packages?
[14:25] <zzecool> Unity crashes for me
[14:26] <zzecool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/966068
[14:26] <zzecool> it must be a regression
[14:26] <glosoli> zzecool: hey buddy ;D
[14:26] <zzecool> but downgrade didnt solved it
[14:27] <zzecool> hey glosoli  :DDD
[14:27] <zzecool> i lost unity 3d ........
[14:27] <zzecool> its crashes
[14:27] <zzecool> ;/
[14:27] <glosoli> zzecool: how it crashes  >
[14:27] <glosoli> ? ;D
[14:27] <zzecool> fials to load and fallback to unity 2d
[14:27] <zzecool> fails*
[14:27] <zzecool> this happend with the latest unity + compiz packages update
[14:27] <glosoli> I remember Earlier this day it failed to load UNity-3D somehow it managed to reset itself after reboot
[14:27] <zzecool> :(
[14:28] <zzecool> it doesnt work for me
[14:28] <zzecool> im gonna try unset and delete the compiz profiles
[14:28] <zzecool> wish me luck
[14:29] <glosoli> wish you luc
[14:29] <glosoli> luck"
[14:29] <glosoli> ;D
[14:30] <zzecool> bolocks compiz (core) - Warn: failed to receive ConfigureNotify event on 0x1e00004
[14:30] <zzecool> .......
[14:30] <zzecool> brb
[14:37] <zzecool> glosoli: it wasnt the compiz settings ;/
[14:37] <glosoli> zzecool: have you tried reseting unity ?
[14:37] <zzecool> i did more than this unset the compiz profiles and even delete them ...
[14:38] <zzecool> the culprit is not in the settings
[14:38] <zzecool> reboot again
[14:38] <zzecool> brb
[14:38] <nabukadnezar43> hello i want to install 12.04 on my desktop
[14:38] <nabukadnezar43> should i get beta 1 iso or the daily iso?
[14:39] <nabukadnezar43> i guess daily is beta 1 + updates, am i right?
[14:40] <Pici> yes.
[14:40] <nabukadnezar43> ok thanks
[14:41] <nabukadnezar43> are there any major bugs in the release? it's going to be my main production machine
[14:41] <nabukadnezar43> nevermind i'm going to install it anyway
[14:44] <jbicha_> nabukadnezar43: lol, yes there's still a few weeks worth of bugs left to get squashed, it's only in beta
[14:45] <Daekdroom> main production machine and beta's don't belong together.
[14:45] <mkultra_> just make sure you partition your machine well
[14:46] <mkultra_> i partitioned mine so i can wipe the os and keep /home on another partition
[14:47] <mhsy> hello. i am using precise, and have been having problems with crashing unity
[14:47] <mkultra_> i made /boot a seperate partition, / a seperate partition, and /home a seperate partition  homes storage / is os
[14:49] <mhsy> it doesn't start up at all, so i replace it from tty. if it doesn't work i restart lightdm. Sometimes I get a block of white that does nothing (i can click below it) but it doesn't show me anything. I replace unity in these cases as well. any advice?
[14:50] <nabukadnezar43> sudo apt-get install gnome-panel, main reason why i'm switching to ubuntu
[14:50] <mkultra_> sorry im hammering the x version of 12.04 =(
[14:50] <nabukadnezar43> i really don't like gnome shell and unity, i love classic desktops
[14:51] <mkultra_> i like xfce
[14:51] <mkultra_> xfce works good, its pretty simple too
[14:51] <nabukadnezar43> yeah so do i
[14:52] <nabukadnezar43> i was using arch with xfce till now
[14:52] <ratcheer> I just did a fresh install of Beta. For the first time ever, wireless connects with rt2800pci. But it is very slow, less than 1/10 what I get with rt3562sta. Does anyone know how to speed it up?
[14:52] <MrChrisDruif> nabukadnezar43; why do you want to go back to Ubuntu? (Personal interest)
[14:53] <nabukadnezar43> well it's a pain to set it up arch and xfce
[14:54] <nabukadnezar43> ubuntu does pretty well out of box
[14:54] <nabukadnezar43> and curiousity too i guess
[14:56] <ratcheer> I also gave up on Arch and Sabayon, this morning. Recommitting to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is less trouble and "prettier".
[14:56] <ratcheer> Can anyone advise me on my rt2800pci question?
[14:58] <mhsy> also, volume control does not affect volume for some reason
[14:59] <MrChrisDruif> ratcheer; prettier?
[14:59] <MrChrisDruif> ratcheer; and sorry can't help you with that =(
[15:00] <mhsy> can anyone help with the unity crash and/or volume?
[15:01] <ratcheer> MrChrisDruif: Yes, prettier. Better looking windows, themes, decorations, and fonts without having to install and configure 300 packages.
[15:10] <mhsy> should I repost the question?
[15:10] <nabukadnezar43> no, just wait
[15:11] <nabukadnezar43> if anyone has an answer, they will reply
[15:11] <mhsy> ok
[15:17] <roothorick> Is there a known problem with network printers right now?
[15:17] <roasted> hello!
[15:17] <roothorick> I can't get my laptop to talk to the CLX-3175 at work here
[15:17] <roasted> Is there a way to get my programs to list in Unity a-z?
[15:17] <roasted> I find it weird "Chromium"  is in the last row...
[15:18] <roothorick> test page works, but anything else, it grinds on the job for about a minute and then the printer outputs an "SPL-C ERROR"
[15:19] <roothorick> oh ffs, other shit is breaking. I'm just gonna try rebooting
[15:29] <roothorick> why did I think rebooting would help?
[15:29] <EvilResistance> lol
[15:29] <roothorick> my search pane is totally hosed. No matter what I type in I get zero results
[15:29] <roothorick> "terminal" nothing. "software center" nothing. "settings" nothing.
[15:29] <mkultra_> terminal
[15:29] <mkultra_> sudo updatedb
[15:29] <mkultra_> locate file.file
[15:30] <mkultra_> locate file.sh
[15:30] <roothorick> ...is there a way to jump out to shell from irssi? I can't open a second terminal the normal way because of this
[15:31] <roothorick> screw it, brb
[15:32] <roothorick> there, now I have four terms
[15:34] <ctjctj> I'm testing/playing with 12.04.  There are a few issues but the one I need help with is that the "Connect to VPN" has disappeared from my Network Manager.
[15:34] <ctjctj> Where can I find documentation/help on getting this menuoption back?
[15:36] <ctjctj> (Of note I'm using nss-ldapd which is where most of my issues arise from.  Sudo doesn't work (not in suders), gnome-screensaver won't let me unlock (password check fails) so this might be a permission issue.
[15:37] <Ool> Hi, How to have other users.. on lightdm (precise out of the box) ? as in Oneiric ?
[15:38] <ratcheer> Ool: Yes, Precise uses lightdm
[15:38] <Ool> ratcheer: yes
[15:38] <Ool> but I find how to hide guest session
[15:38] <roothorick> my Dash Home is utterly blank except for the search bar, and the search never returns anything no matter what I type in. Help?
[15:38] <Ool> but not tu show other users
[15:38] <ratcheer> Ool: I don't think I understood your question.
[15:38] <Ool> s/tu/to
[15:38] <roothorick> yeah, I know, need more information, but I don't know what to dump
[15:39] <ctjctj> ratcheer: When he is on the lightdm log in page not all users are showing up.
[15:39] <ratcheer> ctjctj: Thanks
[15:39] <Ool> before there a choice: other users
[15:39] <ctjctj> I have the same issue when ldap is slightly delayed.  Under the last release you could just enter a user name.
[15:39] <ctjctj> Ool: Did I get that right?
[15:40] <ctjctj> (I speak fluent "teacher thingie doesn't work")
[15:40] <Ool> I don't want to see all users.. just a choice name: other users where I can write what I want
[15:40] <ctjctj> Yep.  I'd like that back too.
[15:40] <Ool> (ldap auth it's the second ask :) )
[15:41] <ctjctj> ldap support under 12.04 is a little lacking in my opinion. (I am not a ubuntu develoepr)
[15:42] <Ool> ctjctj: did you try with this kind of doc: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html#openldap-auth-config
[15:42] <Ool> (I need to try this friday :) )
[15:43] <Ool> but without "other users" on the lightdm menu it's beginning bad...
[15:43] <ctjctj> libnss-ldap didn't work for me.  I switched to libnss-ldapd
[15:44] <Ool> ctjctj: I note it:)
[15:45] <ctjctj> ool: I've read your reference document.  I've read it in the past.  It doesn't address the issues I'm seeing.
[15:46] <Ool> ctjctj: this kind of bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/865093 ?
[15:46] <Ool> nice bot :)
[15:46] <ctjctj> ool: Try dropping to a cli console (alt-ctrl-f1) log in as root.  ps ax | grep X  Kill the X server.  This should cause lightdm to restart.  Once this  has happened you might be able to see more of your ldap uses.  (works for me)
[15:49] <Ool> ctjctj: nice a workaround :P ... but I don"t want to show everyone, just to have the "other users" choice
[15:50] <ctjctj> I  agree.  My issue is that this is a "work for pay" system and I'm often more interested in getting to the work than a pretty fix.  :-(
[15:51] <ctjctj> In this case I had 11.10 fubar a upgrade of the linux kernel and thought my disk drive had finally died.  Used the 12.04 DVD as a rescue and upgraded at the same time.  I've been happy with most of it.
[15:51] <ctjctj> Query: How do I get the "connect to VPN" back in my Network Manager ?
[15:52] <Ool> ctjctj: I thing you need a package
[15:52] <roasted> is there a way to get unity to list my programs a-z?
[15:52] <roasted> they seem to be all over the place
[15:52] <Ool> like network-manager-openvpn
[15:53] <Ool> network-manager-openvpn <= if it keep the same name
[15:53] <ctjctj> Argh!  It was there now it is not.  Installing now.  Thank you for the kick in the arse Ool
[15:53] <ctjctj> (luser error)
[15:54] <roasted> man
[15:54] <roasted> unity still seems a little sluggish on my laptop :(
[15:54] <Ool> :)
[15:54] <roothorick> [15:53:24.108701 WARNING] zeitgeist-daemon.vala:473: Can't create database: 14, unable to open database file
[15:54] <roothorick> and search isn't working period. Any ideas?
[15:57] <roothorick> okay, that fixed it, apparently the activity database got corrupted and needed to be renamed or something
[15:57] <roasted> oh wow
[15:58] <roasted> unity 2d is significantly faster on this laptop... snazzy
[15:58] <roothorick> yeah, real unity generally requires a discrete GPU or a VERY recent GMA
[15:58] <roothorick> I'm lucky enough to have a laptop with a discrete GeForce :)
[15:59] <roasted> roothorick: its running an AMD APU E350 of some sort I believe
[15:59] <roasted> so while recent, may not be entirely patched to work
[15:59] <roasted> flawlessly, at least
[15:59] <roasted> I'm really growing to like unity. This is so strange... I never thought this would happen
[16:01] <Dr_willis> people always seem to hate change.. but want somthing different..
[16:02] <roasted> Dr_willis: I'm open to change. I liked the idea of Unity, but I felt as though a lot was broken, which made me shift gears to Gnome Shell.
[16:02] <roasted> Dr_willis: but the more I use Unity in 12.04, the more I realize it feels more "patched" than Gnome Shell does...
[16:02] <ctjctj> ool: the issue with VPN was not the package.  it is LDAP related.  This user (LDAP) has no "Connect to VPN) my test local user does.
[16:02] <Dr_willis> the old 'grandfather in the old way by crippling any innovation' problem.
[16:02] <Dr_willis> I tend to just launch apps and fullscreen them.. the actaual wm/desktop rarely seems to matter to me these days
[16:03] <roasted> Dr_willis: I hear ya. Even still, I like the thing to work half decently. :P
[16:03] <Dr_willis> im getting so used to how android works.. i find myself trying android things on my pc. :)
[16:06] <Dr_willis> I just hope the ubuntu software center dosent become the total annoyance that is now the Android  Marketplace (now renamed to somthing...)
[16:16] <min|dvir|us-work> roasted, what do you mean 'patched'?
[16:17] <min|dvir|us-work> Dr_willis, Google Play.
[16:17] <roasted> min|dvir|us-work: the AMD APU's seem to be rather poor with video feedback.
[16:17] <roasted> min|dvir|us-work: I used one for a HTPC, and had to return it because the HDMI audio/video was a joke.
[16:17] <roasted> ironically it sounds like the newest driver works half decent, but I had already swapped the APU gear to Nvidia
[16:17] <min|dvir|us-work> roasted, what does that have to do with Unity?
[16:18] <roasted> min|dvir|us-work: well we were discussing the graphics requirements of Unity 3D above.
[16:18] <roasted> min|dvir|us-work: someone mentioned that you pretty much need a  GPU with a little more horsepower to push Unity 3D flawlessly (which I was having issues with)
[16:18] <roasted> min|dvir|us-work: despite the APU being relatively new, it's either not powerful enough or still suffering from poor drivers to handle 3D with ease. 2D on the othe rhand is significantly better.
[16:28] <moodboom> anybody booting up ubuntu 12.04 on a macbook pro?  can't get my hybrid MBR right it seems - refit only showing Mac
[16:30] <moodboom> i can get to grub if i "bless" my ubuntu partition
[16:31] <moodboom> this seems to be a fairly untravelled territory.  surprised and bummed it isn't easier :-(
[16:31] <moodboom> off to rebooting some more, have fun y'all
[16:32] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[16:34] <jtaylor> anyone else having problems with the dhclient apparmor profile?
[16:35] <jtaylor> with it enforced I get no connection, but I don't get any message what access is rejected :/
[16:36] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, go to launchpad look for  #945019
[16:37] <jtaylor> does not look like the same issue
[16:38] <souza> Hello folks.
[16:38] <souza> i'm having a problem in ubuntu i cannot download some packages, it prints a stack with several problems like this >> " Err http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libxslt1.1 amd64 1.1.26-8ubuntu1   Temporary failure resolving 'br.archive.ubuntu.com'"
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ok , I guess I shouldn't make assumptions , jtaylor
[16:38] <jtaylor> np
[16:41] <souza> Anyone?
[16:42] <madurax86> is netprio cgroup support compiled in ubuntu 12.04?
[16:47] <tarvid> !dns
[16:50] <tarvid> is there a simple way to get name resolution working with static addresses?
[16:50] <roasted> externally?
[16:50] <roasted> or just within a linux LAN?
[16:50] <tarvid> externally
[16:51] <roasted> so you want to hit whatevermyurlis.org and hit your home network?
[16:51] <tarvid> looking for a simple server setup
[16:51] <tarvid> I have two external name servers that work fine with 11.10
[16:51] <tarvid> I set up a 12.04 box
[16:52] <tarvid> put dns addresses i n /etc/network/interfaces
[16:52] <tarvid> they never got loaded in /etc/resolv.conf
[16:52] <tarvid> i removed the symlink and put the addresses in resolv.cong
[16:53] <roasted> What exactly is your end goal? I apologize but I'm not entirely sure I understad.
[16:53] <roasted> +n
[16:53] <souza> i got the error my ubuntu is offline, how can i up it to online again, using shell?
[16:53] <tarvid> normally I run a caching only dns server on servers
[16:53] <tarvid> but that isn't working either
[16:54] <tarvid> I want my 12.04 box to resolve external addresses
[16:54] <roasted> and adding the addresses in /etc/resolv isn't doing it?
[16:54] <roasted>  /etc/resolv.conf is the only file I ever used when using external DNS servers.
[16:55] <tarvid> not any more, it is managed by resolvconf as a symlink
[16:58] <roasted> I hate to say it but I'm kind of drawing a blank then. :(
[16:58] <BluesKaj>  /etc/resolv.conf is being overwritten by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head ..that file needs to have the nameservers entered there in order for /etc/resolv.conf to read them
[16:59] <BluesKaj> tarvid, roasted, ^
[16:59] <roasted> BluesKaj: is this a Linux thing, or Ubuntu thing?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> it's a new development , or "feature" afaik
[17:00] <tarvid> there are three files there
[17:00] <roasted> Yeah but is this coming as part of the kernel that all distros will see or is this Ubuntu tinkering around on its own?
[17:00] <tarvid> head is just a comment
[17:00] <BluesKaj> it's dumb ...why couldn't the devs l;eave it alone
[17:01] <BluesKaj> roasted,  it's on kubuntu as well
[17:01] <roasted> BluesKaj: that doesn't really answer my question since kubuntu is baiscally ubuntu
[17:01] <tarvid> it's in debian too
[17:01] <roasted> ah, oka
[17:01] <roasted> y
[17:01] <roasted> that sheds a bit more light
[17:01] <roasted> :P
[17:02] <BluesKaj> roasted,  I thought you were asking about all the 'buntus
[17:03] <roasted> BluesKaj: nah, linux in general.
[17:03] <roasted> red hat, debian, etc
[17:04] <tarvid> not sure about redhat
[17:04] <BluesKaj> i don't bother with other distros anymore, not for a few yrs
[17:04] <roasted> BluesKaj: I always like to see what else is out there.
[17:05] <roasted> BluesKaj: it's like beer. I have a favorite kind, but I'll be damned if it's all I ever try out. :P
[17:06] <BluesKaj> my test pc seems kaput now , it won't boot ay all...just turm=ns on for a few swcs then shuts down
[17:06] <roasted> uh oh
[17:06] <roasted> better take it to geek squad and let the pros fix it :P
[17:06]  * BluesKaj looks for his glasses
[17:06] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:06] <BluesKaj> mobo is probly cooked
[17:08] <tarvid> can I reinstall without setting up the md again?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> did all cmos/battery/remove ram , startup with no memory then one stick ...got as far as the bios , but that was it ..still wouldn't boot
[17:27] <eitch> hi guys, i have a problem with upgrade for the last couple of weeks in precise. I have unresolved dependency issues pertaining libfarstream-0.1-0: Conflicts: libgstfarsight0.10-0 but 0.0.31-1ubuntu3 is installed. The weird thing is, that with apt-get it would work, but with aptitude it doesn't
[17:39] <jbicha> eitch: farstream is supposed to replace (remove) farsight, so that removal is ok
[17:40] <eitch> jbicha, thanks, but then why does aptitude fail to solve the situation?
[17:41] <jbicha> eitch: you need to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or sudo aptitude full-upgrade, personally I just use apt-get
[17:41] <eitch> jbicha, or asked differently, how can i tell aptitude to remove farsight and install farstream as it is suggesting to remove like 30 packages
[17:41] <yofel> eitch: could be the dependency resolve being confused by multiarch
[17:41] <yofel> aptitude doesn't support multiarch so far
[17:42] <eitch> yofel, jbicha thanks, i'll try that
[17:43] <eitch> jbicha, event full-upgrade fails, but then i'll just use apt-get dist-upgrade. still sad since i prefer aptitude
[17:43] <eitch> yofel, ahh ok
[17:43] <jtaylor> the hud really messes with my terminal (alt+d, alt+.), is there a way to disable it on per application basis?
[17:43] <yofel> multiarch support is work in progress as debian now has a multiarch away dpkg too, but not done yet
[17:44] <yofel> s/away/aware/
[17:44] <eitch> yofel, ok, that clears up my questions =)
[17:46] <yofel> eitch: bug 831768 btw.
[17:46] <eitch> yofel, ahh, didn't see that
[18:04] <jetsaredim> is there a way to change the font sizes for the appearance?
[18:05] <jetsaredim> I don't see that in any of  the system settings menus
[18:06] <trism> jetsaredim: gnome-tweak-tool
[18:06] <jetsaredim> trism: ah - so nothing there by default
[18:08] <trism> jetsaredim: well, you could set them with gsettings which is there by default, but not really as friendly
[18:09] <jetsaredim> trism: yea - just unfortunate that there's no user-friendly tool built-in
[18:14] <jfrorie> Still looking for someone that can help me w/ boot issue.
[18:20] <andrew> Computer is randomly locking up when running 12.04. Screens go off, toggling numlock does nothing (light stays on), etc. How can I determine what is causing this?
[18:20] <superthomas> Can anyone tell me if the latest version of ubuntu(12.04) runs smooth on older hardware (acer aspire 5315)?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> superthomas, how old is older ?
[18:39] <loganville> I'm having issues with the visual bell full screen flash, ideas of where to look for logs?
[18:39] <loganville> I didn't see any bug reports related to this on launchpad
[18:40] <superthomas> BluesKaj : Intel celeron 2.13GHz CPU,  Intel GMX 960(or so) GPU, 1GB ram. Fedora 16 runs smooth.
[18:42] <BluesKaj> superthomas,  you should be good , depends which desktop of course ...unity might be a problem
[18:43] <superthomas> BluesKaj : Thank you.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> superthomas,  if your interseted,  kde/kubuntu should run fine as well
[18:45] <BluesKaj> if you're interested , that is :)
[19:09] <ctjctj> Ool: greeter-show-manual-login = true /etc/lightdm/???.conf  (Not sure which config file)
[19:11] <bjrohan> I had an issue a few days ago, where Unity would not load in 3D version, but through recovery I could get it to boot into 2D. Today after applying updates (I an running 12.04), I can now boot into Unity 3D by default in grub, however there is no system tray, nor launcher. Any suggestions?
[19:14] <Glacee> I am running pxeboot from beta 1.. and now I am getting that the is no kernel module in the archive
[19:14] <Glacee> Mirror*
[19:14] <Glacee> It worked a few days ago last time I tried
[19:21] <skyjumper> anyone have mate or cinnamon working on precise?
[19:22] <tarvid> Long pause during install after configuring the network manually. An idea what it is doing?
[19:24] <bjrohan> no one is on here that helps ppl :-(
[19:24] <roasted> Question - is there no way to list your apps in Unity from a-z? They're kind of all over the place. :(
[19:25] <BluesKaj> bjrohan,  right click on the desktop , add panel
[19:25] <jtaylor> roasted: ls /usr/share/applications/
[19:26] <roasted> jtaylor: all right. what about it?
[19:26] <jtaylor> oh your looking for a gui thing?
[19:26] <roasted> jtaylor: yeah, when you list all apps in unity
[19:26] <roasted> jtaylor: they're kind of scattered.
[19:26] <roasted> gnome shell had them a-z which was nice. I was hoping to find the same.
[19:27] <bjrohan> BluesKay: I will give it a try, should that also bring up the launcher as well?
[19:27] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: I will try that, should that also get the launcher to work? I tried doing that now in 2D, and I don't see that option to add panel
[19:28] <BluesKaj> bjrohan,  which desktop ?
[19:29] <bjrohan> I am in Unity 2D now
[19:36] <WarriorIng64> Hi, I have a question
[19:37] <WarriorIng64> A while ago for Precise, there was an entry in the Sound preferences which let you toggle whether the sound indicator was visible or not, and I turned it off
[19:37] <WarriorIng64> Since then, that option has been removed, and I can't find any GUI way to turn the indicator back on
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> never saw that
[19:37] <BluesKaj> bjrohan,  sorry , i don't know unity
[19:37] <WarriorIng64> Any suggestions?
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> WarriorIng64: sure
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> edit gconfig
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> dconf-editor
[19:38] <webm0nk3y> have there been any reports of unity (3d) breaking with todays upgrade?
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> webm0nk3y: working here
[19:38] <webm0nk3y> all was working this weekend
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> intel
[19:38] <webm0nk3y> i had to switch to 2d
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> but the stupid Super+Num key on unity is driving me crazy
[19:38] <skyjumper> webm0nk3y: works for me with a new user, but not with a current user
[19:38] <skyjumper> settings problem of some kind
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> can't jump tabs on pidgin or Chrome
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> skyjumper: clear/delete settings?
[19:39] <webm0nk3y> skyjumper: hmm. so if you log in with a different user it works?
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> already had to do that twice this cycle
[19:39] <skyjumper> FernandoMiguel: not even sure which settings to delete
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> I usually delete .compiz :p
[19:39] <webm0nk3y> hmm...i wonder if i can ssh to my machine while it's hanging...
[19:40]  * webm0nk3y checks
[19:40] <WarriorIng64> @FernandoMiguel Which option in dconf do I need to look for?
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> unity/desktop or panel
[19:42] <webm0nk3y> yep
[19:42] <webm0nk3y> [   90.643428] compiz[7523] trap int3 ip:7f853bd4e0eb sp:7fffe3e5d750 error:0
[19:42] <webm0nk3y> [   92.999601] compiz[7600] trap int3 ip:7fdb60d310eb sp:7fffc4262f80 error:0
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> ewwwww
[19:43] <WarriorIng64> Ah, found it
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> alias metacityB='DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &'
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> alias unityB='DISPLAY=:0 unity --replace &'
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> webm0nk3y: ^^^^^
[19:43] <WarriorIng64> com/canonical/indicator/sound/visible
[19:43] <WarriorIng64> Thanks!
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> WarriorIng64: cool
[19:44] <webm0nk3y> FernandoMiguel: ?
[19:44] <webm0nk3y> FernandoMiguel: I missed half of the conversation while rebooting
[19:44] <FernandoMiguel> so you can reload X
[19:44] <Glacee> Is it normal that if I pxe boot with beta1.. the mirror does not have my kernel module?
[19:44] <Glacee> Do i need to replace the files from the daily build to have it work?
[19:44] <FernandoMiguel> webm0nk3y: see PM
[19:45] <webm0nk3y> i can't get to a command line :/ .. except via ssh
[19:46] <webm0nk3y> FernandoMiguel: got it, but what does that do?
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> dinner, bbl
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> webm0nk3y: replaces unity with old metacity
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> so you have the desktop back
[19:46] <webm0nk3y> oh
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> and then reploads unity again
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> webm0nk3y: TTYs and Guake FTW
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> bbl
[19:48] <cheako> gnome-shell using 1G of ram on a 2GB box.  This along with chrome have cause several OOMK /w 12GB swap and 1G zram.
[19:49] <cheako> Solution?  xfce4
[19:50] <andrew> Computer is randomly locking up when running 12.04. Screens go off, toggling numlock does nothing (light stays on), etc. How can I determine what is causing this?
[19:50] <cheako> andrew: I hate that.
[19:52] <cheako> andrew: It's likely not software, if it is then most likely it's the video drivers.  You can try and run noaccell, but like I said you are better off trying to keep your system cooler or getting a new MB/CPU/memory.  Some say this is due to PSU not supplying enough voltage, though this is unclearto me.
[20:01] <skyjumper> what settings should i delete to get unity working on a user with old settings?
[20:04] <Artemis3> skyjumper, im in the same boat, did you try other desktop enviroments? they fail with my old user, but work with a new user
[20:04] <skyjumper> cinnamon is totally broken, mate is weird but kind of works
[20:05] <Artemis3> they say bug 963633
[20:05] <alo21> hi all
[20:05] <skyjumper> it'd be great if someone here understood dbus well enough to fix mate...
[20:05] <alo21> I have a big issue with ubuntu 12.04 Live
[20:05] <Artemis3> i tried lxde and xfce, oddly enough no panels ...
[20:11] <alo21> Artemis3: cold you help meP
[20:11] <alo21> ?
[20:12] <guntbert> !ask | alo21
[20:14] <alo21> After i select "try Ubuntu ...." option, my pc goes freezing
[20:15] <Fyodorovna> !nomodeset | alo21 Try this or a text install with a alternative cd.
[20:16] <alo21> Fyodorovna: the problem is my wireless card
[20:16] <alo21> because Ubuntu says: firmware b43 was non founf
[20:17] <alo21> found*
[20:17] <alo21> ecc
[20:17] <Fyodorovna> !broadcom | alo21
[20:17] <alo21> ubottu: !broadcom | alo21
[20:18] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[20:19] <skyjumper> ok, got unity working... the plugin was disabled in ccsm
[20:19] <alo21> Fyodorovna: but the problem is not how install that driver, but how I can start Ubuntu Live without getting off my wireless card
[20:19] <skyjumper> things are pretty laggy
[20:20] <FernandoMiguel> back
[20:20] <BluesKaj> alo21,  open a terminal , sudo modprobe b43
[20:20] <alo21> BluesKaj: done
[20:21] <FernandoMiguel> skyjumper: Artemis3 did you guys managed yet? or need help?
[20:21] <skyjumper> was just a compiz config issue here
[20:21] <skyjumper> though i'd *really* like someone to fix mate :)
[20:21] <FernandoMiguel> cheako: once a pon a time, I had OOM when I opened FF and Chrome togheter
[20:22] <alo21> BluesKaj: what should this command do?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> alo21, loads the wifi driver
[20:22] <alo21> BluesKaj: into?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> alo21, sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:23] <alo21> BluesKaj: my problem is only in Live mode
[20:23] <andrew> cheako: Would there be any logs that would show that?
[20:23] <alo21> BluesKaj:  I cannot use ubuntu live mode
[20:24] <alo21> BluesKaj: initially is start, but during the loading of Ubuntu, my PC goes freezing
[20:24] <Fyodorovna> alo21, you using a cd or a usb?
[20:24] <alo21> Fyodorovna: usb
[20:25] <Fyodorovna> alo21, you have a persistent setup?
[20:25] <alo21> Fyodorovna: yws
[20:25] <alo21> yes*
[20:25] <Fyodorovna> alo21, so did this work before?
[20:26] <alo21> Fyodorovna: yes before alpha1
[20:27] <alo21> Fyodorovna: inside usb/pool/b I found broadcom fwcutter
[20:27] <Fyodorovna> alo21, I wonder if the persistent is getting full, that casper-rw file does not clean out like a standard instal.
[20:27] <alo21> Fyodorovna: so... have I try a non persistent usb?
[20:28] <Fyodorovna> alo21, it is kind of had at least for me to understand your problem.
[20:29] <alo21> Fyodorovna: so... I tell what I did
[20:30] <alo21> Fyodorovna: i created a persistent usb using the degault programme
[20:30] <alo21> I selected Italian as language, then i selected "try Ubuntu without installing it"
[20:31] <alo21> Fyodorovna: during the loading of Ubuntu, my PC goes freezing
[20:31] <FernandoCueva> hello, I have a usb drive that loads as sdd1 whoever when I select eject it removes the filesystem but not the drive so my question is How to load the filesystem again I tried sudo mount -t fuseblk /dev/sdd1 /mnt/mitia/ but it didn't work
[20:31] <Fyodorovna> alo21, do you know the graphic card?
[20:32] <alo21> Fyodorovna: wait... I think my problem is my wireless card
[20:32] <Fyodorovna> alo21, that makes no sense that is where you loose me.
[20:34] <alo21> Fyodorovna: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)             this is my graphic card
[20:34] <Fyodorovna> alo21, why don't you just use a virtual setup or install it alongside another OS?
[20:35] <alo21> Fyodorovna: because I would love using Ubuntu 12.04 alone
[20:36] <Fyodorovna> alo21, are you familiar with linux?
[20:36] <alo21> Fyodorovna: it depends
[20:37] <Artemis3> FernandoMiguel, well if you can help somehow, i'm wondering how will this bug 963633 be addressed
[20:41] <FernandoMiguel> Artemis3: not much in that one
[20:42] <Artemis3> FernandoMiguel, yes i made an upgrade and have many problems, specially with my old user, made a new one and things seem fine...
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> I've learned long ago to do clean installs
[20:43] <Artemis3> FernandoMiguel, but would like to know what to delete from the old user, just curious to lose panels across various DEs, also i have many crashes with firefox, and things like revelation password manager coredump :P
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> and this cycle was a pretty bad one
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> going on my 3rd clean install
[20:44] <Artemis3> its ok, ill find out eventually
[20:44] <Artemis3> or do a clean install later :P
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> you can start by deleting stuff from .config
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> and .gconf
[20:44] <Artemis3> but the problem is importing the old user data
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> make backups, if those mind
[20:46] <Artemis3> yes i renamed .config and .cache but that didn't work, but then why would the new user work? just curious, what else could it be
[20:47] <Artemis3> also i smell problems with this multiarchitecture thing, might as well wait for that bug to be resolved and see.. been also thinking about uninstalling all :i386 packages
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> multiarch is sucking a bit
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> don't forget .gconf :)
[20:49] <Artemis3> ah yes that too thanks
[20:51] <sshd> hello
[20:51] <sshd> i'm use ubuntu 12.04
[20:51] <sshd> when i connect via ssh to netwrok devices
[20:52] <sshd> i have problem
[20:52] <sshd> zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:52] <Artemis3> hmm
[20:53] <Artemis3> brb
[20:58] <jetsaredim> any chance the chromium-daily ppa is going to get updated soon for 12.04?
[20:59] <Artemis3> lol unity --reset did not improve things, had desktop with icons now its all black :P
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> jetsaredim: I unfortunatly stop using chromium
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> moved to chrome beta/dev
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> since "we" no longer support chromium as much as expected
[21:01] <log> jetsaredim: You should probably ask chrisccoulson, who uploaded the last build in January.
[21:01] <log> (He's been idle for seven hours, so he might not be here right now.)
[21:01] <jetsaredim> FernandoMiguel: are you just downloading the .deb from google directly?
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> no
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> using their linux repo
[21:01] <jetsaredim> link?
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> https://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> or
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/w00t.html
[21:03] <jetsaredim> that's just a .deb tho it seems
[21:03] <Dulak> When you install the deb it puts a repo in place to update from
[21:04] <jetsaredim> ah
[21:04] <jetsaredim> thx
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> that ^^
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> $ apt-cache policy google-chrome-* | pastebinit
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/902857/
[21:06] <jetsaredim> i may be a little dense but its not exactly obvious from the site
[21:06] <FernandoMiguel> $ apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[21:06] <FernandoMiguel>   Candidate: 17.0.963.83~r127885-0ubuntu1
[21:06] <Dulak> Yeah it wasn't to me either, I had to install it and have chrome show up on my next update to realize it did that.
[21:11] <ctjctj> Did gid's get changed from 11.10 to 12.04?
[21:21] <leo-unglaub> hi, how can i disable the global menu in ubuntu 12.04? the globalmenu package is not available anymore
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> leo good question
[21:48] <FernandoCueva> what does probe order means? ƿ
[21:49] <ctjctj> FernandoCueva:  As the system boots it looks for hardware.  It does that by "probing the hardware"  In some cases if you probe for X and there is a Y device there it will do "bad" things to Y.
[21:50] <ctjctj> So you want to probe for Y before you probe for X.
[21:50] <ctjctj> If you believe, then it means which orifice the alien will check first.
[21:51] <FernandoCueva> ﻥ
[21:56] <FernandoCueva> so it means testing drivers on each hardware and see which one responds?
[21:58] <ctjctj> Pretty much.  Comes from a time before PnP.
[22:03] <FernandoCueva> so linux does use probing it doesn't use pnp? but it works similar or not? is it dangerous?
[22:04] <ctjctj> There are multiple ways to find out what "hardware" is in a system.  Linux uses them all.
[22:04] <ctjctj> It uses PnP, It uses magic on the PCI buss.  And it has code in the drivers to "probe" for legacy
[22:04] <ctjctj> hardware.
[22:05] <ctjctj> The probe order is there so that legacy hardware doesn't break because it was put into an unknown state by a probe for a different piece of hardware.
[22:07] <Dulak> After updating, I am getting no panel or stack in unity, just my desktop wallpaper and icons...
[22:09] <FernandoCueva> so probing is an old method then used for legacy hardware mostly
[22:13] <ctjctj> It is not an "old method" it is used for legacy hardware.
[22:18] <FernandoCueva> so probing is as good as pnp then
[22:26] <anthropos> i notice there are a lot of, for the lack of a better description, "pay apps" in the ubuntu software center now
[22:26] <anthropos> in precise
[22:42] <snadge> isnt that a good thing anthropos?
[22:43] <anthropos> maybe
[22:43] <anthropos> i don't have a firm opinion one way or the other
[22:43] <snadge> i install pretty much everything from the command line anyway
[22:43] <snadge> and consider software centre a waste of time, for complete noobs
[22:44] <anthropos> I don't really care for the software center myself, either
[22:44] <anthropos> but "noobs", as you put it, are directed to it
[22:45] <snadge> if core parts of ubuntu started to cost money.. i might have a different opinion about it
[22:46] <snadge> but as far as i can tell.. its just software that would be otherwise not available at all to choose to install
[22:46] <anthropos> that's correct
[22:49] <anthropos> feels a little tacky, but if canonical can funnel that money back into development it's probably beneficial
[22:58] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[23:12] <Lirusaito> What happened to libdb4.2-dev?
[23:15] <Lirusaito> Hello?
[23:21] <log> Lirusaito: It was last seen in Lucid.
[23:21] <log> And it was deleted from Lucid via bug 550262.
[23:50] <mateo__> Hello, just installed 12.04
[23:50] <mateo__> works like a charm :D
[23:52] <mateo__> is there a way
[23:52] <mateo__> to wiggle the notification until I attend it?
[23:52] <mateo__> it's only one second
[23:53] <mateo__> and sometimes I don't realize it
[23:53] <mateo__> :)