 :O
[00:21] <tsimonq2> *:)
[00:23] <monsterjamp> Well I passed all the checks, I'm not sure where to go from here. I guess I have to wait till one of the collaborators notices my pr?
[00:25] <tsimonq2> monsterjamp: let me do a full review quick here, so I can see if I can spot anything they would :)
[00:26] <tsimonq2> monsterjamp: have you signed the Canonical CLA?
[00:26] <monsterjamp> Yeah but my launchpad username is different than my github one.
[00:27] <tsimonq2> monsterjamp: can you indicate so in your PR description?
[00:28] <monsterjamp> Alright
[00:30] <tsimonq2> monsterjamp: can you link it here?
[00:31] <monsterjamp> My launchpad account?
[00:32] <monsterjamp> tsimonq2 https://launchpad.net/~filjoa
[00:35] <tsimonq2> monsterjamp: no your PR
[00:36] <monsterjamp> Oh :P
[00:36] <monsterjamp> https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/664
[00:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#664: New plugin: Bash <Created by monsterjamp> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/664>
[00:38] <monsterjamp> Do most of the devs use Launchpad over GitHub?
[00:38] <tsimonq2> well it depends
[00:38] <tsimonq2> ...you aren't part of the Canonical CLA team in Launchpad?
[00:39] <monsterjamp> I thought I signed it :/
[00:39] <monsterjamp> One sec
[01:21] <monsterjamp> tsimonq2 sorry for the long wait, I couldn't get passwords and keys program to work.
[01:22] <monsterjamp> But I finally got the CLA signed
[01:22] <monsterjamp> I think
[01:43] <liuxg> does anyone know how to assign a hardware to a snap app? I tried to build the snap at https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/tree/master/demos/webcam-webui, however, the camera seems not opened, and I cannot capture any pics. thanks
[01:52] <qengho> liuxg: "snap interfaces" and "snap connect"
[01:55] <liuxg> qengho, how can I connect to the camera then? I used the command to connect the plug and slots. But I do not know how to connect to a camera
[02:29] <qengho> liuxg: You connected the app to the "camera" interface?
[02:34] <liuxg> qengho, oh, yeah, thanks. I did not notice the camera interface. I will have a try
[02:39] <liuxg> qengho, so, it is something like something like: sudo snap connect foobar:camera ubuntu-core:camera, right?
[02:41] <liuxg> qengho, for the webcam-webui case, it is like something like: sudo snap connect webcam-webui:camera ubuntu-core:camera, right?
[02:43] <qengho> liuxg: Probably. All the pieces are in "snap interfaces" output.
[02:44] <liuxg> qengho, yeah, previously, I did not see the "camera" interface there. thanks for your help!
[05:47] <mup> PR snapd#1559 closed: network-observe: add device read support <Created by jaymell> <Closed by jaymell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1559>
[07:23] <mup> Bug #1603879 opened: Requesting additions to optical-drive interface for cdparanoia. <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603879>
[08:19] <liuxg> dholbach, ping
[08:19] <dholbach> liuxg, pong
[08:19] <liuxg> dholbach, how can I report a bug against the sample demo at https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/tree/master/demos/webcam-webui?
[08:20] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+filebug
[08:20] <liuxg> dholbach, the problem for the demo is that it misses the "camera" plug in the snapcraft.yaml
[08:20] <dholbach> if that fixes it, you could send a pull request for it :)
[08:21] <liuxg> dholbach, I think the tutorials for the docs both in the developer website and also the one in the documenthttps://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/docs/your-first-snap.md
[08:21] <dholbach> ok
[08:21] <liuxg> dholbach, I need to fork it first, right?
[08:21] <dholbach> either that or just file a bug
[08:22] <liuxg> dholbach, OK. I will file a bug first.
[08:22] <dholbach> cool
[08:23] <dz0ny> any idea on this one
[08:23] <dz0ny> Uploading champ_0.0.1~git_amd64.snap [[08:23] <dz0ny> Received 403: 'Developer profile is missing short namespace.'
[08:25] <liuxg> dholbach, anyway, I have created a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1603895
[08:25] <mup> Bug #1603895: Missing "camera" plug in the webcam-webui sample app <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603895>
[08:25] <dholbach> dz0ny, do you need to head to https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/register-name/ maybe?
[08:25] <dholbach> thanks liuxg
[08:25] <liuxg> dholbach, you are welcome.
[08:40] <pbek> ln: failed to create symbolic link
[08:40] <pbek> sorry, I didn't want to paste that
[09:00] <dz0ny> dholbach: thx :)
[09:43] <pbek> Hi all, does anyone has an idea why the qownnotes snap doesn't use the native Qt theming even though the binary is called with `desktop-launch` and uses `desktop/qt5`? https://git.launchpad.net/~pbek/qownnotes-snap/tree/snapcraft.yaml
[09:44] <pbek> -has +have
[09:44] <pbek> dholbach: maybe you? :)
[09:44] <dholbach> didrocks, ^ do you know? is this something pstolowski maybe figured out?
[10:40] <cavan> Any good projects for a first snap?
[11:38] <pbek> camako: https://uappexplorer.com/app/qownnotes.pbek ;)
[12:30] <dholbach> davidcalle, nice work on the snappy report
[12:32] <ogra_> snapport
[12:33] <sborovkov> Hi. I've been running my snap on RPI without issues. But now I tried installing it classic image and getting this assertion. GLib-CRITICAL **: g_once_init_leave: assertion 'result != 0' failed; getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[12:33] <sborovkov> any ideas why this can be happening?
[12:35] <renatu> hey guys I am trying to install a new version of my snap app, but I got this error: error: cannot install snap file: snap "ubuntu-calendar-app" has changes in progress
[12:36] <renatu> I tried abort the changes with: sudo snap abort 32
[12:36] <renatu> it is saying the changes was aborted: 32   Abort   2016-07-18T12:23:40Z  -                     Install "ubuntu-calendar-app" snap from file "ubuntu-calendar-app_0.1_amd64.snap"
[12:36] <renatu> but I am still not able to install the app
[12:37] <dholbach> zyga, ^ do you know what renatu can do?
[13:34] <mup> PR snapd#1560 opened: Drop warning about 2.0 API being different - we're already 2.0! <Created by robert-ancell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1560>
[13:39] <mup> PR snapd#1561 opened: many: remove integration-test coverage metrics  <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1561>
[13:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#665 opened: Update broken links to https://snapcraft.io <Created by nottrobin> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/665>
[13:55] <willcooke> erk, I just ctrl-c'd the wrong terminal and interupted an installing snap and when I try install again it says there are changes in progress.  What do I do to fix it?
[13:56] <balloons> dholbach, sure
[13:56] <dholbach> balloons, what did you do and what's the error message?
[13:56] <balloons> so whenever I do anything with snap, I get this error: sudo snap try prime/
[13:57] <balloons> sorry, unless I use sudio I get: snap try prime/ error: access denied (snap login --help)
[13:57] <dholbach> willcooke, it might be worth recording ("snap changes", etc.) the current state and let mvo, zyga and pedronis know
[13:57] <balloons> it's a bit confusing and the help didn't really clarify things. I assume this is working as expected, but from the user side is confusing
[13:58] <dholbach> willcooke, in the worst case, you'd need to use: https://github.com/zyga/devtools/blob/master/reset-state
[13:58] <willcooke> thanks dholbach
[13:58] <dholbach> balloons, what are you trying to do?
[13:58] <balloons> dholbach, I made a snap, and now I want to iterate on it
[13:58] <dholbach> balloons, afaik you shouldn't have to use "sudo" for "snappy try"
[13:58] <dholbach> balloons, are any files owned by root now?
[13:58] <balloons> dholbach, I installed it and had to use sudo or it gave me the error
[13:59] <balloons> so if I shouldn't have to do that, then that's a bug I guess
[13:59] <balloons> dholbach, well I can check. However, after installing, I couldn't find my new binary
[13:59] <dholbach> can you remove the one that's already installed?
[13:59] <balloons> (which is why I tried out 'snap try')
[13:59] <dholbach> does "snap list" say?
[13:59] <dholbach> does "snap list" list it?
[13:59] <dholbach> and it's worth using "snap login" :)
[14:00] <kyrofa> willcooke, snapd is actually two things: a client and a server
[14:00] <balloons> snap list does list the one I installed with 'try'
[14:00] <kyrofa> willcooke, ctrl+c'ing the client currently only cancels the displaying of the install-- not the install itself (which happens server-side)
[14:00] <kyrofa> willcooke, this is a bug
[14:00] <kyrofa> willcooke, if you run `snap changes` you'll see the installation still happening
[14:01] <willcooke> kyrofa, ah! cool  Oki, so it says...
[14:01] <willcooke> 105  Done    2016-07-18T13:53:57Z  2016-07-18T13:55:33Z  Install "libreoffice" snap from "beta" channel
[14:01] <willcooke> so that's probably good news
[14:01] <willcooke> and indeed it is!  It runs!
[14:01] <kyrofa> willcooke, you can wait for it to finish, or you can abort it with `snap abort <change id>`
[14:02] <willcooke> kyrofa, we're all good. thanks
[14:02] <dholbach> balloons, can you remove it, then do snap login and then snap try without sudo?
[14:02] <kyrofa> willcooke, no problem, just wanted to make sure you had the full picture
[14:02] <dholbach> and maybe check if some of your files are now owned by root :)
[14:02] <balloons> dholbach, I was under the impression I didn't need an account to use snappy. What would I login as?
[14:03] <kyrofa> popey, are you in a session right now?
[14:03] <dholbach> balloons, you don't have to, but it's nice to use it with the ubuntu store (just like the phone)
[14:03] <dholbach> it's just normal sso
[14:04] <balloons> dholbach, I'm assuming it will "fix" my issue, but it seems like there is a bug then if I can't do this without logging in?
[14:04] <dholbach> let me try to log out and use 'snap try' just like that
[14:05] <dholbach> I find it very convenient, so I never tried
[14:05] <dholbach> (and I'm not hacking on snapd, so I don't know specifics :-))
[14:05] <dholbach> ok, so logging out, I have to use "sudo snap try prime/"
[14:06] <dholbach> and it works just fine
[14:06] <balloons> dholbach, ok. So is that "expected" behavoir?
[14:06] <balloons> sounds like I should just open a bug and see what the feedback is
[14:06] <mup> PR snapd#1562 opened: many: cleanup/update rest.md; improve auth errors <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1562>
[14:08] <dholbach> I think I'd rather send a mail to the list
[14:08] <dholbach> especially if you don't know if it's a bug
[14:08] <dholbach> let me see if I can find anything in the docs about this
[14:09] <dholbach> "snap login --help" says http://paste.ubuntu.com/19901483/
[14:10] <dholbach> so yeah, use "sudo" if you really don't want to use "login"
[14:10] <dholbach> if "try" then still doesn't work, then that's a bug (if the prime/ directory of your snap is not broken)
[14:11] <mup> Bug #1604016 opened: Snap requires sudo if not logged in <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604016>
[14:11] <dholbach> ...
[14:12] <balloons> dholbach, I did see snap login --help, but I didn't find the help to be very clear
[14:12] <balloons> (though obviously I did manage to figure it out and using sudo aligns well with the traditional apt experience)
[14:13] <dholbach> ok, I think the bug is fair with regard to expecting a clearer error message
[14:13] <Cavan> I just finished the 'Your first snap' on the Ubuntu website, how to I actually run the snap, I tried the commands and there not working...
[14:14] <dholbach> balloons, does the snap work when you "try" it?
[14:14] <balloons> dholbach, ty. Feel free to mark won't fix, etc. I may be the only one who missed the boat on it :-)
[14:14] <dholbach> Cavan, which command fails?
[14:14] <dholbach> balloons, no, sorry - I think the bug is quite fair :)
[14:16] <balloons> dholbach, snap try prime does stuff, then prints a display showing the output of snap list with just my snap listed. That said, I think it's the snap. I have binaries in prime/bin, but there don't seem to be any executed
[14:16] <Cavan> I may be doing something wrong, followed all the steps and completed in but cant figure out how to run it. 'command: bin/webcam-webui' Is the only command in the.yaml
[14:16] <dholbach> balloons, does the snap contain a service or an app?
[14:16] <dholbach> balloons, can you pastebin the snapcraft.yaml?
[14:17] <dholbach> Cavan, it's supposed to run a service
[14:18] <balloons> dholbach, http://paste.ubuntu.com/19902241/. This is another attempt at snapping juju. snapcraft handled it well enough it seems. hat snapcraft.yaml file is from like April :-)
[14:18] <dholbach> Cavan, can you try to add 'camera' to the plugs definition?
[14:18] <dholbach> balloons, can you just run ./prime/bin/juju --help?
[14:19] <dz0ny> Cavan: if you have fresh install of snapd you have to reboot device
[14:19] <balloons> dholbach, yes I can. Binary seems fine
[14:19] <dz0ny> it needs to setup some discovery stuff for your profile :)
[14:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#666 opened: Allow / in parts <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/666>
[14:20] <dholbach> balloons, if you have the juju Ubuntu package installed, it will trump whatever snap provides it ("which juju" should confirm)
[14:20] <ratliff> if I am creating a snap for a project that uses a custom build script, do I have to create a script plugin or is there an existing plugin that will work?
[14:20] <dholbach> sergiusens, ^ nice PR # :-P
[14:20] <Cavan> dholbach, I think its already in the plug definitions, I can link you the website if you like? dz0ny, reboot my pc?
[14:21] <dholbach> ratliff, yes, a custom plugin sounds sensible (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/plugins/)
[14:21] <balloons> dholbach, blargh. /snap/bin/juju, not $SNAP/bin/juju
[14:21] <balloons> makes more sense
[14:21] <dz0ny> mhm, or just logout&login
[14:22] <zyga> renatu, dholbach: sorry :/
[14:22] <dholbach> Cavan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1600122 was filed earlier and I hadn't had time to look at it yet
[14:22] <mup> Bug #1600122: Cannot successfully build the webcam-webui example on 16.04 <snap-docs> <Ubuntu Developer Portal:New> <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600122>
[14:23] <renatu> zyga, rebooting the machine did the trick :D
[14:23] <dholbach> renatu, nice :-)
[14:24] <ratliff> thanks, dholbach! next question: if I have a build config file (silently answers questions that the custom build script asks), does it exist in the directory next to snapcraft.yaml or should I store it elsewhere?
[14:24] <Cavan> dholbach, I'm not receiving any errors, I just cant figure out how to run the service after the snap is complete
[14:24] <dholbach> ratliff, where does your build script expect it?
[14:24] <dholbach> Cavan, ok, let me try it too
[14:25] <dholbach> Cavan, if you install it and do "ps afxvw | grep cam" - what do you see?
[14:25] <ratliff> in the same directory as the build script. top level directory after the tarball is expanded
[14:26] <dholbach> ratliff, ok, in that case just put it in the same dir
[14:27] <Cavan> dholbach, ps afxvw | grep cam 26675 pts/1    S+     0:00      0   200 21099   960  0.0          |       \_ grep --color=auto cam 26665 ?        Ss     0:00      0     0  4508   796  0.0 /bin/sh /snap/test-snap/x2/bin/webcam-webui
[14:27] <dholbach> ok, so the webui is running
[14:27] <ratliff> do you mean copy it in after the tarball is expanded?
[14:28] <Cavan> dholbach, is there anyway to view it, like an actual UI or something?
[14:28] <balloons> dholbach, thanks for your help! When I'm in devmode, should I expect any differences between the binary in prime, and my snap binary?
[14:28] <kyrofa> jdstrand, I'm having a snappy-debug issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19903287/
[14:29] <dholbach> Cavan, looking at it right now - give me a minute
[14:29] <balloons> dholbach, (I ask because clearly I'm seeing failures that only happen running the snapped version)
[14:29] <dholbach> balloons, some, but I don't know specifics
[14:29] <balloons> dholbach, brillant. So I'll work on solving them then. ty
[14:29] <dholbach> balloons, you can use snappy-debug.security (from the store) to see failures logged
[14:29] <ratliff> jdstrand is still supposed to be on vacation today
[14:30] <ratliff> ^^ kyrofa
[14:30] <kyrofa> ratliff, ah, thanks for the heads up
[14:31] <dholbach> balloons, I think Jamie once wrote a mail to explain how it works and what exactly is different, but I can't find it right now - it'd be great to add that answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/783945/what-is-devmode-for-snaps
[14:32] <SamYaple> is there a way to host a private snappy repo that the `snap` tool can interact with yet?
[14:33] <zyga> dpm: hey, do you want to meet and talk about day wrap up summay?
[14:33] <zyga> summary*
[14:34] <dholbach> kyrofa, does the webcam-webui work for you?
[14:36] <balloons> dholbach, snappy debug showed me the app armor denials, which correspond to the issue I see. Thanks
[14:36] <dholbach> balloons, cool
[14:37] <mup> PR snapd#1563 opened: Hardware observe <Created by cwayne18> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1563>
[14:43] <Croepha> SamYaple: I haven't tried it yet, but this looks fresh: https://github.com/noise/snapstore
[14:45] <SamYaple> Croepha: so thats not official, but a RE of the apis. Worth following
[14:46] <Cavan> dholback, any luck or should I just move to a different project for now?
[14:46] <Cavan> dholbach*
[14:47] <dholbach> ratliff, yep, that sounds good
[14:47] <dholbach> Cavan, you could have a look at the other examples in https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen or https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/tree/master/demos
[14:48] <dholbach> Cavan, they should give you a good idea of what's all possible
[14:48] <dholbach> and ideas for your own project :)
[14:48] <Cavan> dholbach, cool thanks
[14:48] <dholbach> :-)
[15:00] <thurston> i'm trying to make a snap package from a single executable binary (the output of a game engine),  however I can't seem to get it to work.  I can make the snap package, however when I install it and run the command to execute the program, it segfaults
[15:00] <jibel> renatu, Hey I heard that you met this error while building the addressbook http://paste.ubuntu.com/19906424/
[15:00] <jibel> renatu, do you have a workaround?
[15:02] <dholbach> thurston, can you install 'snappy-debug' from the store (snap install snappy-debug) and run 'snappy-debug.security scanlog' and then run the snap again and see what happens?
[15:02] <dz0ny> thurston: you will probably need bunch of dri,x11 libs in package too
[15:02] <dholbach> thurston, I could imagine that it's an apparmor/seccomp denial
[15:02] <dholbach> or what dz0ny said... missing deps(?)
[15:02] <thurston> snappy debug?  i'll check it out
[15:02] <dholbach> it's good stuff :)
[15:04] <thurston> okay i have snappy-debug,  how to use it?
[15:05] <thurston> can't even figure out what the man page is
[15:05] <dholbach> "snappy-debug.security scanlog"
[15:05] <dz0ny> dholbach: on that note, how would you enable access to specific libraries on host, like rpi video drivers in /opt/vcore ?
[15:06] <dholbach> run that in one terminal, and run your app in another
[15:06] <dholbach> dz0ny, I have no idea - I'd probably ask on the snapcraft list :-/
[15:07] <thurston> OKAY
[15:07] <thurston> looks like an apparmor problem
[15:07] <thurston> Log: apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="snap.rpgdiceroller.rpgdiceroller" pid=24743 comm="rpgdiceroller" family="unix" sock_type="stream" protocol=0 requested_mask="send receive connect" denied_mask="send connect" addr=none<EMAIL_ADDRESS>peer="unconfined"
[15:08] <dholbach> thurston, add the x11 plug and rebuild the snap
[15:10] <balloons> dholbach, thoughts on Log: apparmor="DENIED" operation="bind" profile="snap.juju.juju" pid=11972 comm="juju" family="unix" sock_type="stream" protocol=0 requested_mask="bind" denied_mask="bind" addr="@/var/lib/juju/mutex-/store-lock"? It seems like seccomp allows me to bind, but the /var/lib/juju is a no-no. How can I play ith this? I looked at playing with the profile rules directly, but that won't help the snap
[15:10] <thurston> alright,  I've tried to read on how to add plugins,  but haven't successfully done it yet...   do i copy from my local libraries?
[15:10] <dholbach> balloons, no idea - I'd suggest asking on the list or see if juju can be configured to look for data elsewhere?
[15:11] <dholbach> thurston, not plugins, plugs
[15:11] <dholbach> thurston, in the "apps:" definition
[15:12] <thurston> k,  checking that out
[15:12] <dholbach> cool
[15:14] <thurston> how do i reference x11?   plugs: x11  doesn't work
[15:14] <jibel> dholbach, I'm trying to build the calculator to test some autopilot stuff and get http://paste.ubuntu.com/19906424/ and the diff is http://paste.ubuntu.com/19906861/
[15:14] <jibel> dholbach, this is with the snapcraft.yaml from trunk
[15:14] <jibel> dholbach, do you know what it is? I'm building on yakkety
[15:15] <thurston> got it, nevermind
[15:17] <sergiusens> asac GOARCH=$arch GOARM=7 CGO_ENABLED=1 CC=${plat_abi}-gcc go build -ldflags "-extld=${plat_abi}-gcc"
[15:18] <sergiusens> asac plat_abi=arm-linux-gnueabihf
[15:18] <renatu> jibel, try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/19908318/
[15:18] <renatu> jibel, is not working for gtk but I think it works for qt5
[15:20] <thurston> k,  i got rid of the apparmor issue,  and now it just segfaults with no debug output
[15:23] <jibel> renatu, it is not working
[15:26] <camako> Is there a way to force-remove a snap? I am trying to remove the calculator app but am getting :
[15:26] <camako> 2016-07-18T10:25:10-05:00 ERROR cannot remove snap file "ubuntu-calculator-app", will retry: [stop snap-ubuntu\x2dcalculator\x2dapp-5.mount] failed with exit status 1: Job for snap-ubuntu\x2dcalculator\x2dapp-5.mount failed. See "systemctl status "snap-ubuntu\\x2dcalculator\\x2dapp-5.mount"" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[15:26] <camako> [-] Remove snap "ubuntu-calculator-app" from the system
[15:27] <dholbach> jibel, in a call, will get back to you in a bit
[15:30] <balloons> dholbach, I'm seeing some of the snapd state issues again when using install / try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19909550/
[15:38] <dholbach> balloons, can you please send a mail to the snapcraft list?
[15:38] <dholbach> I'm about to wrap up my day and need to finish something else
[15:38] <balloons> dholbach, sure thing. No worries
[15:38] <dholbach> cool
[15:39] <dholbach> jibel, try to apply something like this: https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen/pull/178/files
[15:39] <mup> PR ubuntu/snappy-playpen#178: fix build by working around #1600238 <Created by dholbach> <Merged by caldav> <https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen/pull/178>
[15:39] <dholbach> lfaraone, according to popey Heidelberg sprint coordination stuff is fine in here ;-)
[15:39] <lfaraone> kk :P
[15:58] <iliv> what is the purpose of autotools related install-via: and what options does it support?
[16:04] <dholbach> all right - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:18] <plars> who handles updates of ubuntu-core? I was wondering if/when that would be updated
[16:19] <plars> some of the snap tests that we run in checkbox hit a problem with the version of snap installed inside the existing ubuntu-core snap (normally wouldn't be an issue I suspect but for us it is). If I force it to use a newer version of 'snap' then it works, but it's a bit hacky
[16:19] <plars> if we had a more recently built version of the ubuntu-core snap thouh, I think it would just work
[16:36] <kyrofa> plars, have you tried the one on edge?
[16:37] <plars> kyrofa: seems to be the same version, unless I'm doing it wrong:
[16:37] <plars> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/847trhlp/
[16:38] <kyrofa> plars, ah, okay. Ask mvo, then
[16:38] <plars> ack, thanks
[18:11] <jaymell> I'm trying to package an app that requires apparmor read access to /dev/sda1, as well as cap_sys_rawio. This isn't currently provided by any of the default interfaces. Is this something that could potentially be added?
[18:12] <jaymell> I'm not really sure that it fits with any of the existing interfaces, though (maybe 'system-observe', based purely on name, anyway)
[18:21] <monsterjamp> tsimonq2 I guess it just takes a while for the CLA to be approved, but I just got an email that says I'm in the Canonical Contributor Agreement team on Launchpad.
[19:05] <mup> PR snapd#1564 opened: snap/squashfs: fix test not to hardcode snap size <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1564>
[19:19] <mup> Bug #1604123 opened: speed-test snap error TypeError: Cannot read property 'settings' of null <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604123>
[19:28] <mup> Bug #1604123 changed: speed-test snap error TypeError: Cannot read property 'settings' of null <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604123>
[19:52] <tsimonq2> well cool monsterjamp
[19:53] <tsimonq2> kyrofa: ping
[20:12] <ratliff> plainbox-test-tool in the demos section of https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft errors out with "Issue while loading plugin: unknown plugin: plainbox-provider" after I issue the snapcraft command
[20:57] <zyga> cwayne: ^^ (look at ratliff's comment please)
[21:30] <mwhudson> are you guys going to release snap-confine again today or should i upload 1.0.38 to debian? :)
[22:19] <cwayne> ratliff: zyga: which version of snapcraft were you running? it hasn't been included in a release yet afaik


[00:29] <madprops> what do you think of snaps?
[00:29] <madprops> should they easily allow disabling auto-updates?
[00:30] <madprops> personally, i think unplanned auto-updates can be unfortunate, like when playing online games
[00:32] <tomreyn> i like to be able to choose when and whether updates install, and i don't like how the snap store mixes vetted (with an undefined vetting process) packages and unvette dones
[00:33] <tomreyn> *un-vetted ones
[00:33] <tomreyn> s/undefined/undocumented/
[00:34] <tomreyn> generally, snaps are a great concept, and the implementation si, too, except for how it's being pushed as a centralized system / app-store, mixing open source and proprietary software, and becoming the primary software source for desktop systems
[00:35] <tomreyn> which it really shouldn't be, it's as bad an idea as making PPAs the default package source
[00:35] <tomreyn> well, almost
[00:35] <TJ-> not just desktops either; lxd is only available as a snap unless you build it yourself
[00:36] <tomreyn> and the server installer recommends installing snaps at the end of the installation process
[00:50] <madprops> i mostly find snaps to be useful. but it's weird that they don't allow a simple way to not auto-update, and let the user update when they see fit, it seems like the logical thing to do
[00:56] <tomreyn> there's a widespread trend to shift control over what runs on systems from the hands of a system administrator to those of the software developer, nowadays.
[00:56] <tomreyn> especially on closed / managed platforms
[01:02] <madprops> that sounds very intrusive, the user should be ultimately the boss
[01:16] <madprops> because well, it's their computer
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:30] <ducasse> good morning
[13:19] <hwpplayer1> hi
[13:20] <hwpplayer1> finally finished my setup for a developer client. From now on i'll just make backups and push commits to cloud/git instances. What i wrote on #ubuntu
[13:20] <hwpplayer1> Yeah discuss channel is better thanks
[13:21] <hwpplayer1> lotuspsychje: ^ Thanks
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[13:34] <Franciman> lotuspsychje, sorry I was angry :P
[13:34] <Franciman> because I have a wifi problem which doesn't happen on ubuntu, but on otherdistros it does
[13:34] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: Do not forget community comes first
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Franciman: you can cool down your anger on this answer; https://askubuntu.com/questions/368817/what-to-do-with-private-bug-reports-on-launchpad
[13:34] <Franciman> and I can't understand what happens for a month now
[13:37] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: Did you read our code of conduct ? lotuspsychje is it the right place to talk about Code of Conduct ?
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> hwpplayer1: you can talk anything related to ubuntu in this channel
[13:38] <Franciman> hwpplayer1, no, but I don't mean to discuss or accuse anybody
[13:38] <Franciman> no problem
[13:39] <Franciman> I just said that ubuntu is a malware that should be destroyed :P
[13:39] <Franciman> n
[13:39] <Franciman> it's false
[13:40] <Maik> not very polite and mature imo, also leans towards trolling behaviour so you should be careful of what you say in any of the ubuntu channels
[13:40] <Franciman> thanks lotuspsychje I'll lose my faith in solving this problem
[13:41] <Franciman> ofc
[13:41] <hwpplayer1> Malware is malware, which you can not remove/purge/delete/destroy, in other words backdoor. Ubuntu and Canonical has a strategy like others. That's all
[13:41] <Franciman> sorry for everything
[13:41] <hwpplayer1> No need to be sad
[13:41] <Franciman> I am, because I am stuck with a software I can't predict why it is failing
[13:42] <Franciman> and a software which doesn't fail but obscures its reasons
[13:42] <hwpplayer1> Even you have source, sometimes you can not easily understand what is going on
[13:42] <Franciman> true
[13:43] <Franciman> well thanks, ttyl
[13:43] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: Do you want to learn programming ?
[13:43] <Franciman> yes, why?
[13:44] <Franciman> i wnted to install a free-er distro like debian
[13:44] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: I guess it will help you to run any software with a better and better consciousness
[13:44] <Franciman> but wifi fails
[13:44] <hwpplayer1> Start with Ubuntu
[13:45] <Franciman> I think that ubuntu also fails, it's dell's version of ubuntu
[13:45] <Franciman> which obscures things
[13:45] <hwpplayer1> That's why i have offered learning programming
[13:45] <jeremy31> Franciman: Dell has a repository of there own
[13:46] <hwpplayer1> What is that Canonical Partners' source repository option ?
[13:46] <Franciman> I shall look up further
[13:47] <Franciman> gtg, bye thanks
[13:47] <hwpplayer1> bye Franciman
[13:47] <Maik> hwpplayer1: https://askubuntu.com/a/432152
[13:48] <hwpplayer1> Maik: Thanks
[13:48] <Maik> yw
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: could you convert to a wishlist please,tnx https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweaks/+bug/1900323
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> anyone wants to support my wish, feel free to affect^
[15:46] <Maik> and bring back the ubuntu icon too placed on top of the dock instead of the grid looking square at the bottom
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[15:47] <Maik> Or.... bring back Unity 7
[15:47] <Maik> :D
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> : )
[15:48] <Maik> lotuspsychje: supported your wish
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> ty Maik
[15:48] <Maik> yw
[15:55] <tomreyn> i'm not sure this does what you're looking for, and it's also not directly integrated in gnome-tweaks: there is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/21/workspace-indicator/ which is also installed as part of the gnome-shell-extensions package
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: thank you, im aware of the existing extensions currently im using workspaces to dock extension, living on the repos but its not as direct as the unity wish one
[15:57] <Maik> tomreyn: this is what he would like to see: https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/03/switching-between-workspaces-with-a-keyboard-shortcut-100572256-orig.jpg
[15:58] <Maik> last icon
[15:58] <Maik> the workspace switcher like in unity
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> Maik: i found a bug similar to one what you wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1707831
[16:01] <Maik> that's from 17.10... lol
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> Maik: on wishlists the release is not always relevant, could live across several other releases
[16:04] <Maik> roger
[16:07] <tomreyn> ok, i see
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i found the dconf value on unity, but i dont see how to get it on gnome
[16:08] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i would not know :-/
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> probably hardcoded in unity/compiz
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> and another wishlist bug me and sonicwind wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1900339
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> feel free to also affect it
[16:25] <tomreyn> effectively, i think most of those will need to be filed upstream, really.
[16:29] <daftykins> isn't there a keyboard shortcut like on Kubuntu? to get to shutdown options
[16:29] <daftykins> not a lot of sympathy for those that stay on the mouse :)
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: there was on unity, shutdown and reboot icons
[16:31] <daftykins> no i'm saying a keyboard combo, like ctrl+alt+del bringing up the shutdown dialogue
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> lemme check that
[16:31] <daftykins> you don't need instantly clickable icons
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> ctrl alt del yeah, but thats to logout only
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> shutdown/reboot arent among the hotkeys here so it seems
[16:33] <daftykins> right but maybe there's another, because that's what it is for Kubuntu - no idea with gnome3
[17:45] <oerheks> 0/clear
[17:49] <Maik> toast smelling alert


[01:05] <pragmaticenigma> hey TJ- ... welcome to the party
[01:08] <TJ-> oooo alcolhol!?
[01:10] <pragmaticenigma> not quite
[01:10] <pragmaticenigma> if only your issues for PDF were in Windows... I might have some answers
[01:14] <TJ-> Been an uphill battle... wasted a day trying to get the printer to print at all... turned out a small pop-rivet had 'popped' out due to heavy handling by the courier and a stepper motor had moved out of place so it couldn't ingest cards. Saw the empty hole, shook the printer, out fell the plastic rivet. Now it prints fine *except* from the one application it needs to, Inkscape. However,
[01:14] <TJ-> printing to PDF *then* opening it with Evince (PDF viewer) and then printing it from there works fine! Difference being the former uses cairo library and PDF-1.5, and the latter uses Ghostscript and PDF-1.2
[01:15] <TJ-> Been trying to find some bug reports that might cover this, but in vain so far
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> I could maybe see how a stretch might happen and even monotone, rotation baffles me,
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> anychance that there is some sort of Adobe proprietary interpreter in the printer?
[01:24] <TJ-> no, printer is fine from other PCs with apparently identical Xubuntu installs
[01:25] <TJ-> I've checked the local user config has nothing set to affect this by printing from another user account. There's something in the CUPS filters I think but, again, cannot figure out where.
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> other computers have same issue with inkscape though?
[01:28] <TJ-> no
[01:29] <pragmaticenigma> so one computer with inkscape cannot print?
[01:29] <pragmaticenigma> or rather prints incorrectly
[01:41] <TJ-> something to do with the CUPS and/or PDF filter version I think
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> but why would it affect only one machine?
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> i think i'm missing something
[01:43] <TJ-> as I said, the PDF-1.5 version... maybe that confuses the CUPS filter if it doesn't expect 1.5
[01:45] <pragmaticenigma> right but don't the other machines have the same install/configuration?
[01:46] <TJ-> I think part of it is the PPD for the printer sets a media type "Card" but for some reason the print dialog in Inkscape doesn't see that one. I set the page size manually to the same 86x54mm but it looks like without the media set to the exact media name it causes some upset
[01:47] <TJ-> they do, in principle, but over time maybe something subtle has been changed... or because I do a lot of experimentation on mine maybe I've some package installed that affects this
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> that'd be my guess... you do like to experiment :-)
[01:54] <TJ-> Here's what it does:  https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/IMG_20200402_022618.jpg
[01:57] <sarnold> weird
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> me thinking out loud... TJ- you tested this specific printer on other machines?
[01:59] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: correct, and there it prints the same file fine from Inkscape with the same printer driver!
[02:00] <TJ-> I'm going to get the apprentice to do some comparisons later today (I'm working through the night but he'll be here in about 5 hours!)
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> Me thinks your machine is "special"
[02:01] <TJ-> he can check the producer and PDF versions for differences from my system's values
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:02] <TJ-> hi lotuspsychje
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:39] <ducasse> good morning
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning cengiz_io
[08:45] <cengiz_io> hello
[08:45] <cengiz_io> good morning to you too lotuspsychje
[08:45] <cengiz_io> thanks for your invite
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: i would convince them more with !USN then bugs, cause bugs arise very much, on every release
[08:46] <cengiz_io> what is !USN
[08:46] <cengiz_io> !usn
[08:47] <cengiz_io> oh. it's a good start.
[08:47] <cengiz_io> thankfully though the device is completely offline. it will be used in intensive care units and there's no connectivity. not even USB
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: that will prove your team, tons of security flaws are risky to keep using 14.04
[08:48] <cengiz_io> it only runs Qt4 frontend that controls a huge team of embedded cards over UARTs
[08:49] <cengiz_io> by the way let me introduce myself. I'm an embedded linux developer working for a multibillion dollar company that uses Linux almost everywhere. but mostly custom built stuff with Yocto and Buildroot. x86_64 is very expensive
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: even offline, its probably part of a network? always good to keep ubuntu running on supported releases
[09:19] <cengiz_io> sorry my archlinux hanged LOL
[09:19] <cengiz_io> lotuspsychje in fact, it won't be connected to any network. except maintenance by field personell
[09:19] <cengiz_io> personnel*
[09:20] <cengiz_io> lotuspsychje but it will certainly be constantly get updates to userspace frontend application, and I don't want my team to work on an archived OS image that doesn't exist anymore.
[09:21] <cengiz_io> I can even imagine requiring a new library that doesn't ship with aptitude and thus we have to install manually created deb packages..
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: will that machine get external media plugs?
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic eoan
[10:07] <cengiz_io> hello lotuspsychje. currently only sensors via CAT5 cables. they are using custom protocols. but as in media if you mean USB drives and such, no
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: ok, so that sounds like a pretty isolated ubuntu system
[11:04] <cengiz_io> lotuspsychje it is. but there will be future feature develelopments
[11:15] <RikMills> cengiz_io: what are you askign exactly?
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: his original question was to convice his team why to upgrade to 18.04 from 14.04
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> with all bugs in between
[11:21] <RikMills> Qt4 is not going to get updates in any release, except in case of very critical CVEs. it is now dead upstream
[11:22] <RikMills> hence why it was removed completely from 20.04
[12:01] <cengiz_io> RikMills yet people are very reluctant despite Qt4 applications work almost perfectly with Qt5
[12:02] <cengiz_io> (minus the font issue ofc, that's easily fixable by installing cc fonts)
[12:02] <cengiz_io> anyway thank you for your assistance. I'll compile my warnings and propose my idea. the rest is up to those decision makers.
[21:44]  * Aavar is upgrading... could not wait...


[00:46] <guiverc> Ubuntu 23.04 reaches EOL on jan 25, 2024 up for review on fridge..   any reviewer is welcome :)   I'll self-review & publish later if needs be
[02:09] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/12/15/ubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-25-2024/
[02:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Postscript ^ "« Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 817" should be for issue 818.
[02:13] <guiverc> sorry Bashing-om , not sure what you're referring to (i'm switching between tasks & thus maybe missed it)
[02:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Accessing 818 to add the end of 23.04 support date ( and on the skeleton too ).
[02:14] <guiverc> okay & thank you Bashing-om (I hadn't thought or considered that!)
[02:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: on the fridge notification - at the bottom you list 817 // should that not be 818 ?
[02:16] <guiverc> 817 is the latest published; 818 is WIP so fridge isn't aware of 818 yet...
[02:18] <guiverc> (fridge is just showing the prior post in that area.. if another group (community.council etc) had pushed last post it would show whatever was most recent)
[02:19] <Bashing-om> gui OH - kay - was think'n was in reference to the 23.04 EOL notification on the 818 release - me and tunnel vision :)
[02:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: saved 818 and skeleton edits out of them now.
[02:22] <guiverc> ack & thanks
[02:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-news-team - needs updates. I do not have editing access, do you ?
[02:26]  * guiverc will try...
[02:28] <guiverc> i see a password in my hi-tech password.exercise.book  but I appear not to have written down email it related to :(
[02:30] <Bashing-om> super secret :D
[02:39] <guiverc> yeah I'm in (once I changed page & thus was correct place.. I didn't need email - hence none recorded..)
[02:40] <guiverc> what do you want changed Bashing-om ?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "News are published in the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter " we want that to direct now to Discourse.
[02:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: have added "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam" to my getter updated list :P
[02:44] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam replaced with https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/40911  ("wiki" removed)..
[02:44]  * guiverc hasn't saved yet... so you can't view yet sorry
[02:45]  * guiverc is scrolling the long page (of fields)
[02:46] <guiverc> saved; refresh & look Bashing-om ; okay or something else to change?
[02:46] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter link should also be changed?
[02:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I wil proofread when all done - next is "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the ubuntu-news-team Archives." // need to add Discourse here too.
[02:47]  * guiverc added myself to list of admin email addresses
[02:47] <guiverc> that link ^ should maybe be 124 on (whatever that link was)
[02:47] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/uwn/124
[02:48] <guiverc> but we really need more than just recent via 124... thinking
[02:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - 124 add as https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/uwn/124 .
[02:49] <guiverc> I have no isuse with replacing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter to just https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/uwn/124  ... it mentions "collection of prior postings" and gives link  to archives
[02:50] <guiverc> that change ^ is now made, you can refresh & review Bashing-om
[02:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have no heart burn to bury that old archive - as there is a back link available to those seeking old issues.
[02:52] <guiverc> If we want to make older issues (on wiki) easier to find, we can edit the detail at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/40911
[02:52] <guiverc> that page already mentions going to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Archive for 809 & earlier .. so clear (if wording on that page okay)
[02:53]  * guiverc has logged out of ubuntu-news-team ml
[02:53] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Agreed - wording good enough for this hillbilly to understand :P
[02:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "ubuntu-news-team Archives." still directs to the WIKI instead of Discourse. Others look good.
[02:56] <guiverc> checking I didn't miss your suggested change to "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the ubuntu-news-team Archives." // need to add Discourse here too."  are you happy with what was done?
[02:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Most happy :)
[02:56] <guiverc> (sorry this hexchat window was scrolled up & didn't see you were where I was thinking...)
[02:57] <guiverc> :)
[02:59] <guiverc> fyi:  to me the "To see the collection of prior postings to the list" is not news team related directly; just ML generic ; but maybe I'm wrong.
[03:14] <Bashing-om> gui Nope - you are s correct - is a link to the M/L not to our arcvhieve... and updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam Newsletter section to direct to Discourse threads.
[03:14] <Bashing-om> /s/so
[03:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: That catches me all up on all migration thoughts - less if we want to make up a dicourse header file for all our support Discoutse threads.
[03:27] <guiverc> I can't recall using a #include/header link in a discourse page..
[03:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - we did not - any reason to make navigation to our threads the easier - or is our documentation now good enough ?
[03:29] <guiverc> not sure if detail like https://meta.discourse.org/t/customize-the-header-with-links-icons-or-menus/13368 is site specific, or area (within site) related..
[03:30] <guiverc> (as for #include/header... I was going beyond ubuntu-news; been admin on lubuntu far longer...)
[03:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Got me - maybe best to stew about adding any navigation aids a bit longer :D
[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: E277 Em Casa De Ferreiro, Espeto De Murphy @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e277/
[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical Kubernetes 1.29 is now generally available @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-kubernetes-1-29-is-now-generally-available
[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical and Intel’s strategic collaboration brings you confidential computing with Intel® TDX on Ubuntu @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/confidential-computing-intel-tdx-ubuntu
[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Noble Numbat Updates for December @ https://ubuntustudio.org/2023/12/noble-numbat-updates-for-december/
[03:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) reaches End of Life on January 25, 2024 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/12/15/ubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-25-2024/
[03:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) reaches End of Life on January 25, 2024 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/12/15/ubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-25-2024/
[03:46] <Bashing-om> all ^ on 818 already - our bot is slow :P
[03:46] <guiverc> or just a faster Bashing-om :)
[03:47] <Bashing-om> he he
[07:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 216 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-216/
[11:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Building an Open Source Community Beyond the Code @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svgjNfK6Ps
[11:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Harnessing the Power of Ubuntu and MicroK8s: Case Studies from SDSC and CFEL @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2YgQMqMPGQ
[11:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Behind the Scenes of tox: Journey of Rewriting a Python Tool with Over 10 Million Monthly Downloads @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4WDp8rQPZA
[15:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Ubuntu Working on Office 365, Google Workspace Snaps @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/12/ubuntu-office-365-google-workspace-snaps
[22:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear to access 818 - aded the Day's takes ?
[22:38] <guiverc> yep, clear Bashing-om (just home from walking pup)
[22:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: adding :D
[22:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 818 added/saved and out. Moving to support now.
[23:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: New one to add to 818.
[23:03] <guiverc> add away; i haven't thought about uwn/summaries yet..
[23:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: out ^ ya gots to get the mind right - then write :P


[15:33] <Rocket2DMn> hey mdke , unless i'm mistaken the docs currently fail to build with "make all" because the makefile still includes the "switching" section
[17:26] <ikonia> within the wiki, how do I create subdirectory pages
[17:26] <ikonia> eg: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[17:26] <ikonia> I wish to create http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/providerwidebans
[17:26] <ikonia> I can't browse IRC/* to see what's already there
[17:27] <ikonia> is it as simple as just creating the page/IRC/providerwidebans
[17:28] <Mohan_chml> ikonia, "type http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/providerwidebans in the taskbar and hit create page" is what you are looking for?
[17:29] <ikonia> Mohan_chml: ok, so it's as simple as that, I didn't know if I had to work different due to the sub dir
[17:29] <ikonia> is there are way to see all the pages under /IRC for example
[17:30] <Mohan_chml> Ummm..! you have to search for /IRC/ and that will list all the links related to it. idk any other ways
[17:31] <ikonia> shame there isn't something similar to directory listing within apachage
[17:31] <ikonia> be nice to browse the topics to see if your content is covered in any other docs
[17:36] <Mohan_chml> ikonia, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines?from=80&context=180&action=fullsearch&titlesearch=Titles&value=IRC/
[17:37] <Mohan_chml> the pages next to 9 has some sub pages
[17:38] <starcraftman> ikonia: click more actions > local site map. Also, I'd note that per my understanding, docs targetted at users should be on community wiki.
[17:54] <ikonia> starcraftman: it's not targeted at users, it's an IRC policy update
[17:55] <starcraftman> ikonia: ah, alright then.
[18:51] <Flannel> ikonia: You can put a wiki macro (or whatever its called) that'll expand to all the subpages  (usually you'll add it to a page, check the preview, then cancel your change)
[21:22] <ikonia> thanks guys


[11:31] <slevchenko_> Hi everyone, I need to perform Ubuntu installation with MaaS. The prolem is that Node has like 25 disks which confuses installator, it expects for an answer where to install bootloader, so installation stucks. My question is following, how I can tell MaaS to install loader on certain drive, for exmple '/dev/sda' ?
[11:34] <brendand> slevchenko_, which version are you using?
[11:34] <slevchenko_> 2.1
[11:35] <brendand> slevchenko_, ok. did the machine commission?
[11:35] <brendand> i.e in Ready state
[11:35] <slevchenko_> Yup, nodes were commisioned successfully
[11:36] <brendand> slevchenko_, ok
[11:36] <brendand> give me a minute while i check something
[11:38] <slevchenko_> ok no problem
[11:42] <brendand> slevchenko_, under the machine 'Used disks and partitions, is anything selected?'
[11:42] <slevchenko_> No
[11:43] <brendand> slevchenko_, no radio buttons under the 'boot' column?
[11:44] <slevchenko_> There's:
[11:44] <slevchenko_> Available disks and partitions
[11:44] <slevchenko_> and radio-button next to each of 25 disks
[11:45] <slevchenko_> radio-buttons in boot column
[11:45] <brendand> slevchenko_, but none of the radio buttons is selected?
[11:45] <slevchenko_> Yes
[11:45] <brendand> slevchenko_, can you try selecting one and deploying again?
[11:46] <brendand> really it should select one by default but we can try and figure out why it didn't after we make sure this works
[11:47] <slevchenko_> Before I'll try do you know is it possible to do through a cli ?
[11:47] <brendand> slevchenko_, yes
[11:47] <slevchenko_> Asking because deploying 103 machines through UI would be kinda painful
[11:48] <slevchenko_> oh then I'll try, thx
[11:48] <brendand> slevchenko_, indeed :)
[11:48] <slevchenko_> Thank you very much Brendan
[11:53] <brendand> slevchenko_, let me know if it works, i might have an alternative suggestion if it doesn't
[11:53] <slevchenko_> Sure, thanks again
[12:00] <slevchenko_> Also Brandan, MaaS has hardcoded commisioning timeout in 20 minutes, and servers have no proper DNS yet, so sudoing takes like eternity :(
[12:00] <slevchenko_> Is it possible to workaround it like this?
[12:01] <slevchenko_> early_commands:
[12:01] <slevchenko_>   maas: [echo, '<IP_ADDRESS> {{node.hostname}}' >> '/etc/hosts']
[12:02] <slevchenko_> This block will go to curtin installer
[12:02] <slevchenko_> *preseed
[12:04] <brendand> slevchenko_, why <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:07] <slevchenko_> just a placeholder for a sudo to resolve host faster
[12:07] <slevchenko_> it can be <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <mup> Bug #1644856 opened: Issue with changing device naming of boot disk between commissioning and deployment <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644856>
[15:20] <Guest78801> Hi
[15:20] <Guest78801> Can any body have idea about MAAS 2.0 on Ubuntu 16.04
[15:21] <Guest78801> i have installed and all machines are in ready status
[15:21] <Guest78801> now i would like to proceed further for openstack deployment
[15:21] <Guest78801> what are the next steps, seeking guidance for exact steps???
[15:27] <pmatulis> Guest78801, have you considered using Juju to manage the services (e.g. openstack) that will run on the MAAS nodes?
[15:29] <pmatulis> (see #juju on freenode)
[15:29] <Guest78801> Yes but i assume as per documentation by installing openstack juju is implicitly installed
[15:29] <Guest78801> is this so???
[15:31] <pmatulis> Guest78801, link to documentation that says that?
[15:32] <Guest78801> I dont have exactly the link but i read during searching
[15:32] <pmatulis> Guest78801, ok, so, no, openstack can be installed without juju
[15:35] <Guest78801> ok can u pls guide me after MAAS installation and machines readiness what are next steps
[15:41] <pmatulis> Guest78801, you will need to be willing to invest time into studying this stuff but for a possible quick win you can try http://conjure-up.io/
[15:42] <Guest78801> ok thanks
[21:41] <mup> Bug #1644920 opened: Image selection unclear <docteam> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644920>
[22:50] <dakj> Hello, someone know how setting the power type of MAAS using VMware fusion?
[22:57] <dakj> Anyone can help me?
[22:59] <jhegge> Fusion won't work with MAAS, doesn't have the SSL port used to configure vmware power type
[23:05] <dakj> @jhegge MAAS can work only with VMware Workstation and not with Fusion, is it right?
[23:06] <jhegge> possibly Workstation, but more like ESXi or vSphere


[10:00] <RepThis1> Hey guys, just finished installing ubuntu-gnome-14.04.3 LTS and was wonder why i cant drag my windows to one monitor, but to another i can. Hold for img.
[10:02] <RepThis1> http://imgur.com/IxyVShW cant drag to the green monitor, @ the top, below i can though.
[10:03] <RepThis1> must have something to do with the top notification/menu bar?
[10:18] <darkxst> RepThis1, monitors vertical stacked?
[10:18] <darkxst> with primary on bottom?
[10:19] <RepThis1> vertical stack with primary in center, like a wonderful oreo.
[10:19] <darkxst> I think that is fixed in 15.10, but not something we can backport to 14.04
[10:20] <RepThis1> damn, already hating ubuntu and wanting my fedora!
[10:20] <darkxst> the titlebar has a strut, that blocks windows
[10:20] <RepThis1> damn you vmware!
[10:20] <darkxst> its nothing to do with vmware
[10:20] <RepThis1> yeah figure it had sumin to do with that
[10:20] <RepThis1> darkxst: no but vmware has to do with me using gnome on ubuntu :D
[10:21] <RepThis1> or i should say using ubuntu.
[10:21] <darkxst> then use the latest, you can't compare an UBuntu LTS release to fedora!
[10:24] <darkxst> an old LTS release at that.
[10:29] <RepThis1> latest gnome or latest ubuntu?
[10:29] <darkxst> latest ubuntu 15.10 or even 16.04 devel
[10:30] <RepThis1> lol.....idk, i mean i never tried the non lts cause it always seemed to give me monitor problems in the past.
[10:31] <RepThis1> even then this lts install didnt work as well as fedora did, fedora was effortless and beautiful.
[10:32] <darkxst> monitor problems?
[10:33] <RepThis1> for 1, when i startup my machine i get 2 grey boxes on two screens for ~10seconds then it finally boots, also seems to reset my monitor placement as well.
[10:33] <RepThis1> when rearranging on 1-2 recent occasions it changes the background to some ugly blue background.
[10:34] <RepThis1> having a firefox issue, going to restart.
[10:36] <RepThis1> back.
[10:36] <RepThis1> maybe i will just have to deal with working with a horizontal monitor setup then.
[10:37] <RepThis1> ive lost like a day just messing with this stuff, frustrating.
[10:41] <darkxst> I have never seen either of those issues, and the vertical issue was a long standing GNOME bug
[10:41] <darkxst> and really without any context of what ubuntu/gnome versions I can't even help, other than to say gnome has evolved a long way since what is in 14.04
[10:42] <RepThis1> what version is on 15.10, 3.18?
[10:42] <darkxst> 3.16, but 3.18 is on gnome3-staging ppa
[10:43] <RepThis1> what is staging, like a beta. Not a big fan of stuff if it brings me instability, unless the aditions are quite nice.
[10:45] <darkxst> at this point is pretty stable, it brings you GNOME 3.18 on 15.10
[10:46] <darkxst> during the development cycle, it can be less unstable (So Xenial series now)
[10:46] <darkxst> s/less/more/
[10:54] <RepThis1> Xenial is a codename?
[10:55] <darkxst> yes, Xenial is to be 16.04
[10:55] <RepThis1> oh your talking about ubuntu
[10:56] <darkxst> that in itself should be mostly stable now, but gnome3-staging for xenial, will probably break soon
[10:57] <RepThis1> yeah, im not gonna mess with xenial considering i dont even know the process for reporting bugs so it would be futile.
[10:58] <darkxst> anyway I have to go
[10:58] <RepThis1> darkxst: thx for the help, ill just try 15.10 as a last resort, otherwise f22
[11:07] <RepThis1> oh damn...no vmware support for 15.10....
[11:08] <darkxst> RepThis1, 12.1 should work
[11:08] <RepThis1> 15.04 works, and theres a gnome release for it
[11:08] <RepThis1> can i put 3.18 on that from staging?
[11:09] <darkxst> no
[11:09] <darkxst> vmware 12.0 works with `env VMWARE_USE_SHIPPED_LIBS=1 /usr/bin/vmware`
[11:09] <RepThis1> darkxst: im pretty sure though that hardware accelleration wont work if i do that, otherwise i wouldnt be here to begin with and still using f23
[11:11] <darkxst> it works
[11:11] <darkxst> fedora had (still has) other issues in addition
[11:12] <RepThis1> 12.0 works but 12.1 wont?
[11:13] <darkxst> 12.1 works with no hacks
[11:13] <darkxst> on ubuntu, but not fedora
[11:13] <darkxst> really gtg
[11:14] <RepThis1> k
[12:43] <Sicnus> what's the default password for ubuntu user on the Live cd?
[13:36] <mgedmin> Sicnus, blank, but the default user on the ubuntu-gnome livecd has username 'ubuntu-gnome', not 'ubuntu'
[14:05] <Sicnus> mgedmin, yeah.... figured out the username wasn't ubuntu but ubuntu-gnome


[09:15] <kalikiana> ubuntu-qa, ping, build errors in uitk sphinx docs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1431749
[09:19] <rhuddie> kalikiana, thanks, I'll log that issue and have a look
[09:20] <kalikiana> thanks, rhuddie!
[09:58] <rhuddie> kalikiana, I used sphinx-build to build the doc from trunk, it worked fine for me. how did you run it?
[09:59] <kalikiana> rhuddie: CI does https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-sdk-team-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-staging-vivid-i386-ci/273/console
[10:01] <rhuddie> kalikiana, do you know if this is a new problem?
[10:02] <kalikiana> rhuddie: not really. I just noticed while checking the logs for unit test results
[10:02] <kalikiana> so it may or may not have been there for some time
[10:07] <rhuddie> kalikiana, ok. the fact it builds ok locally, suggests to me its a ci environment issue, but I'll check to see if anyone else has any clue on it
[10:27] <rhuddie> kalikiana, from this it looks like the tests/autopilot folder needs to be on sys.path, so ubuntuuitoolkit module can be found and imported: http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/autodoc.html#directive-automodule
[10:31] <kalikiana> rhuddie: oh, I guess it's run before install… and needs to set the build folder
[10:31] <rhuddie> kalikiana, yeah. it says you add it to the conf.py file in: ubuntu-ui-toolkit/documentation/autopilot-helpers/conf.py
[10:32] <kalikiana> aha! there's a comment mentioning that in fact
[10:33] <rhuddie> kalikiana, ah yes, right at the top :)
[10:34] <kalikiana> I haven't really done anything with sphinx… I just got worried when I see fatal errors :-D
[10:34] <kalikiana> I'll give that a try and see if I can make ci work
[10:34] <kalikiana> thank you for the pointers!
[10:35] <rhuddie> kalikiana, yeah, hopefully that should sort it out, no prob.
[13:26] <kalikiana> ubuntu-qa, ping, how can an Autopilot test be run using upstart? we need a way to test URI handling API in context of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1429899
[13:29] <elopio> kalikiana: hello.
[13:30] <elopio> kalikiana: autopilot has a method to launch the apps with upstart
[13:30] <elopio> two actually. Give me a second...
[13:30] <elopio> http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/autopilot/api/autopilot.testcase.html
[13:31] <elopio> launch_click_package and launch_upstart_application.
[13:32] <elopio> on the toolkit, when we define the application as a QML and use the base class UbuntuUIToolkitWithFakeAppRunningTestCase, it is using launch_upstart_application.
[13:34] <kalikiana> hmmm so you're saying it already is upstart?
[13:35] <kalikiana> elopio: so for sending URIs is it required to be a click package?
[13:35] <kalikiana> looking at the docs atm
[13:36] <elopio> kalikiana: no, you can do it with launch_upstart_application.
[13:36] <elopio> kalikiana: now, the problem with URI handling is that url-dispatcher gets configured only when mir is running. Currently we have no qpa other than the one in mir client.
[13:36] <elopio> so if you are running this on desktop without mir, url-dispatcher will not handle the uris.
[13:38] <kalikiana> okay. so this would be phone-only for now - I can live with that for the moment, considering right now we have 0 testing for it in the uitk
[13:39] <kalikiana> "it" being UriHandler API in QML and StateSaver being affected by ContentHub behavior
[13:39] <kalikiana> elopio: how do you pass an URI then?
[13:40] <kalikiana> hmm there's launch_upstart_application vs. launch_test_application, the former has uris=[]
[13:41] <elopio> kalikiana: I would try to add some QML tests in there that don't require a QPA. Maybe putting a mock in http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html#openUrlExternally-method
[13:41] <elopio> kalikiana: hm, wait, maybe we are talking about different things in here.
[13:42] <elopio> can you describe the test that you want for me?
[13:42] <kalikiana> elopio: that unfortunately is completely different
[13:43] <kalikiana> elopio: so, we have UriHandler which takes URIs via DBus. but it relies on upstart implementing org.freeDesktop.application which the uitk merely listens to
[13:43] <kalikiana> that means we can only test it if upstart is actually running
[13:44] <kalikiana> elopio: on a desktop right now nothing is registered at all if you just launch an app
[13:44] <kalikiana> since there's no object there
[13:44] <kalikiana> I believe libnih is implementing the application object
[13:46] <elopio> I don't see any uri service on dbus on my desktop.
[13:46] <elopio> could it be the problem that the service is not installed?
[13:47] <kalikiana> that's what I was trying to say - as far as I understand upstart is implementing that service
[13:47] <elopio> (you got me lost, and now it's me asking the question, that's good customer support :)
[13:47] <kalikiana> and UriHandler piggypacks on that via the pid
[13:47] <kalikiana> which is part of the object path
[13:47] <elopio> kalikiana: upstart is running on desktop, and with ubuntu_application_launch you are using it. tedg is the one I would ask about it.
[13:48] <kalikiana> in fact the app_id, not pid
[13:48] <kalikiana> elopio: well, upstart doesn't launch anything on a current desktop, though ;-)
[13:49] <kalikiana> so autopilot has to do whatever is needed to make up for it
[13:49] <elopio> kalikiana: autopilot is using upstart to launch the application when you call launch_upstart_application.
[13:50] <kalikiana> okay, so in theory it might be as simple as passing a URI to launch_upstart_application
[13:52] <elopio> kalikiana: that's where I get lost. What kind of URI are you talking about?
[13:53] <elopio> the "uri" parameter that method receives is documented as:
[13:53] <elopio> app_uris – Parameters used to launch the click package. This parameter will be left empty if not used.
[13:53] <kalikiana> for example file:///home/phablet/Pictures/nyancat.png
[13:55] <elopio> kalikiana: I see. I haven't tried that, but if the docs are correct, it should work.
[13:58] <elopio> except on desktop, where we seem to be missing a dependency.
[13:59] <elopio> I have libnih-dbus1 installed, but I don't see the service.
[14:03] <kalikiana> elopio: uris don't seem to be passed
[14:03] <kalikiana> elopio: a related problem might be that APP_ID is never set
[14:05] <elopio> kalikiana: how do you pass the uris on the command line?
[14:05] <kalikiana> I don't, I'm using the API
[14:06] <kalikiana> hmmmm os.environ['APP_ID'] = application_name should work, right?
[14:06] <elopio> kalikiana: I'm lost. sorry.
[14:07] <kalikiana> elopio: I'm passing uris via launch_upstart_application and verifying that they show up in the QML
[14:07] <kalikiana> except they don't
[14:07] <elopio> kalikiana: in the phone?
[14:07] <kalikiana> elopio: no, on the desktop
[14:07] <kalikiana> as you suggested only upstart should be needed
[14:13] <elopio> kalikiana: yes, but I really don't know how this works so you shouldn't pay a lot of attention to me.
[14:13] <elopio> I thought that ubuntu-app-launch could not pass parameters to the apps.
[14:14] <elopio> kalikiana: do you have an example I could use to check it in the phone? I would like to see what happens in there.
[14:15] <kalikiana> I wouldn't know how you would use an example that's not a test - the point is to pass URIs
[14:16] <kalikiana> and really why doesn't it take my environment variable?
[14:18] <elopio> kalikiana: if it uses upstart, then you need to set the variable with inictl set-env.
[14:18] <elopio> kalikiana: I want to give a try to the test in the phone. That's the example I meant.
[14:18] <kalikiana> I think there must be some fundamental problem here, it "runs" syntax errors happily
[14:21] <kalikiana> aha!
[14:21] <kalikiana> so for some odd reason file-based tests use launch_test_application
[14:21] <kalikiana> that explains it
[14:23] <kalikiana> elopio: was this forgotten by any chance? we have two entirely different launch setups
[14:23] <kalikiana> and the second one can't use uris
[14:24] <elopio> kalikiana: ah, sorry, I thought it was the other way around.
[14:24] <elopio> kalikiana: not forgotten, just pending: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1305190
[14:26] <kalikiana> I'll try a string base dtest for now
[14:35] <kalikiana> interestingly all string-based tests fail for me now
[14:35] <kalikiana> unchanged
[14:38] <elopio> kalikiana: with something like autopilot.exceptions.ProcessSearchError: Search criteria (pid = 24498, object path = '/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection') returned no results ?
[14:39] <kalikiana> elopio: no, rather http://ix.io/gSi
[14:39] <kalikiana> even staging with no changes does that for me
[14:40] <kalikiana> elopio: could it be because I'm running systemd as init?
[14:40] <elopio> kalikiana: could be. I don't see that in the latest staging tests.
[14:43] <kalikiana> elopio: this is my branch in any case https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/uriPassingPOC/+merge/252906
[14:44] <elopio> kalikiana: I will give it a try in the phone. If it doesn't work, I'll report a bug to autopilot.
[14:44] <kalikiana> thanks!
[14:45] <kalikiana> I need a break now, bbl
[15:02] <dkessel> elopio: i just noticed you were interested in a quassel client for ubuntu phones in 2014 - have you found one yet?
[15:02] <elopio> dkessel: nop. Still waiting.
[15:02] <dkessel> too bad
[15:07] <elopio> dkessel: yes, the web clients that we have on the phone don't work well.
[15:08] <elopio> they don't keep the connection open.
[20:49] <dobey> elopio: whoot! so with the little fix to ubuntu-app-test i landed a couple hours ago, the pay-ui autopilot tests all pass in jenkins now on a real device, along with my pay-ui MP :)
[20:57] <elopio> dobey: awesome!
[20:57] <elopio> what was the fix about?
[20:58] <dobey> ubuntu-app-test was always exiting with 0, and we need to verify that pay-ui exits with certain exit codes; so i had to fix it to exit with the same status code as the child process
[20:59] <dobey> and the pay-ui MP is to make it use ubuntu-app-test when mir is the display server (and depend on ubuntu-app-test in the autopkgtest config)
[21:00] <elopio> dobey: thank you!
[21:01] <dobey> but now i have to wait to land that in trunk until after the other pay-ui bit is tested/released though, i think


[00:01] <cpete> vorlon: how can I tell if a package in proposed has been built against a new lib?
[00:01] <vorlon> cpete: put noble-proposed in your sources.list and look at its deps?
[00:02] <cpete> vorlon: I guess that would make sense. thanks
[00:30] <cpete> bug for upower regression btw (only arm64): #2060335. I wonder if another ncr will fix. I'll give it a shot in a ppa. but I guess we should hint it to allow it to migrate? vorlon:
[00:31] <vpa1977>  perl-modules-5.38 | 5.38.2-3         | noble          | all
[00:31] <vpa1977>  perl-modules-5.38 | 5.38.2-3.2build1 | noble          | all
[00:31] <vpa1977> I am a bit confused, there are two of them in noble
[00:32] <vpa1977> (just failed to setup chroot)
[00:32] <vorlon> vpa1977: architecture: all packages are autoremoved only when all of the arch-specific packages from the same source are also removed.  So this will be due to NBS libperl5.38
[00:33] <vpa1977> vorlon: thank you!!!
[00:35] <vorlon> haven't restarted britney yet because I also haven't seen the results of the latest publisher run yet <sigh>
[00:36] <vorlon> it's updated on ftpmaster.internal though
[00:36] <vorlon> so yes restarting
[00:42] <vorlon> archive.u.c updated
[00:43] <cpete> okay and for kubuntu: there is an amd64 regression for qtwebenginge-opensource-src/5.15.16+dfsg vs yuzu/0-1445+ds-1.3 last it ran ~4 hours ago it failed to install test dependencies so I've re-queued the test w/ all-proposed to see happens. Otherwise I think that's the running angle for kubuntu
[00:44] <cpete> unfortunately I don't have time to investigate further today. have a great weekend
[00:44]  * cpete eod
[00:44] <vorlon> ok unblocking qtwebengine-opensource-src, because it's a no-change bebuild
[00:44] <vorlon> cpete: thanks, have a good weekend
[00:44] <cpete> o/
[00:50] <vorlon> current britney is behaving much more sanely
[00:51] <vorlon> I: [2024-04-06T00:49:06+0000] - Building the list of non-installable packages for the full archive
[00:51] <vorlon> I: [2024-04-06T00:49:51+0000] - > Found 2072 non-installable packages
[01:12] <vorlon> have to wait for britney to schedule a bunch of tests for the new perl upload though, boo
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: xapers (noble-proposed/primary) [0.9.0-4]
[16:15] <tsimonq2> Alright, let me get this straight... *ALL* ISOs have been failing for *over a week*. TWICE now I have suggested solutions for this issue... the first time I suggested looking at the pristine tar used for builds, the second time I suggested ubuntu-cdimage fixes. This would have been solved a WHILE ago had we simply enabled noble-updates for the livefs builds. We go straight from time_t to xz, and
[16:15] <tsimonq2> we've had close to NO opportunities to test what we will be releasing for Noble, for the last THREE months. Why? Why do we not want to get these ISOs working again? Why do we continue to look at migrating everything as a priority, when we could simply unblock many efforts by getting the ISOs building?
[16:16] <tsimonq2> I *have* to be missing something.
[16:17] <tsimonq2> Please, someone do tell me. I want to know why Lubuntu has had *no* recent dailies to test, and why this is the case *TWO DAYS* before Beta Freeze.
[16:17] <tsimonq2> If this is something I could fix, I would have fixed it already. Even Ubuntu Desktop is failing.
[16:18] <tsimonq2> RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/bin/in-target override-sources-list --backend=lxd --series=noble --arch=amd64 LIVEFSBUILD-601105 'deb http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu noble main universe'
[16:18] <tsimonq2> That should have updates in there as well.
[16:18] <tsimonq2> What actually does the Launchpad API call to create the livefs build? ubuntu-cdimage... right?
[16:19] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release, vorlon, mwhudson: you all get pings ^^^
[16:20] <tsimonq2> Again, if I'm wrong, *tell me*. I have every right to be incredibly frustrated by this.
[16:26] <tsimonq2> LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240328 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240329 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240329 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240330 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240331 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240401 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240401 LiveFS
[16:26] <tsimonq2> lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240402 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240403 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240404 LiveFS lubuntu/noble/amd64 failed to build on 20240405
[16:26] <tsimonq2> I get emails about this *every day*.
[16:29] <tsimonq2> Errors were encountered while processing:  libtirpc3t64:amd64  iproute2  netplan.io  gpgv  apt  apt-utils  ubuntu-minimal
[16:37] <vorlon> tsimonq2: you want an image with a bunch of unreleasable packages from February? that's easy, take the last successful build.  That's what enabling noble-updates would have gotten you.  We've been working around the clock all week to get the noble release pocket back into a releasable state on amd64 in the face of the xz-utils attack, and if you wanted to help make that happen you could have spoken
[16:38] <vorlon> up at any time during the ongoing coordination work here
[16:46] <vorlon> gnupg2 has been uploaded to rebuild against libnpth0t64 which will fix the last known debootstrap failure (and which was hidden by packages in noble-updates until we did noble-updates removals yesterday).  ffmpeg tests given back.  mpg123 force-hinted.  This should take care of the last blockers I'm aware of on Ubuntu and Lubuntu.
[16:47] <vorlon> there seems to be some arm64-specific breakage on x13s images with something depending on libgpod4 instead of libgpod4t64, which someone will need to look into
[16:51] <tsimonq2> vorlon: you could have spoken up at any time> I did, twice. I asked about noble-updates being a possible solution and got ignored, twice. Had someone just taken the second to explain "hey, we can't do that because it wouldn't be DTRT," I would have been okay with that and put some time on the calendar to get it sorted.
[16:51] <tsimonq2> That being said, it's whatever at this point.
[16:51] <tsimonq2> Thank you for helping unblock Lubuntu, at least.
[16:52] <tsimonq2> I'll see if I can find anything interesting WRT the x13s images.
[16:54] <ahasenack> is something broken in LP regarding ppas, and add-apt-repository perhaps? I'm seeing tests that call add-apt-repository fail with a 504 gateway timeout
[16:54] <ahasenack> and yes, I can ask in #launchpad
[16:55] <vorlon> ahasenack: no idea
[16:55] <ahasenack> but given people here are more closely looking at the excuses page and such, it might be faster to get an answer here :)
[16:56] <ahasenack> hmm, maybe it's the proxy
[16:56] <ahasenack> squid.internal
[16:56] <vorlon> ahasenack: I've been online less than an hour this morning, and no activity in this channel since I went to bed, I don't think anyone's currently worrying about update_excuses refresh rate
[16:56] <bdmurray> ahasenack: which arch? test log?
[16:56] <ahasenack><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:57] <ahasenack> but this also failed (noble, amd64<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:00] <bdmurray> that looks like launchpad timing out to me
[17:01] <bdmurray> "1144s lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 504: Gateway Time-out"
[17:01] <ahasenack> also in yesterday's run: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/software-properties/noble/ppc64el
[17:01] <ahasenack> the top 2 are fails because of this
[17:01] <vorlon> very strange, only package depending on libgpod4 on arm64 is gpodder which is certainly not part of the Ubuntu Desktop seed
[17:02] <vorlon> and libgpod4 should be on the NBS list but isn't because of noble-updates
[17:02] <vorlon> I'll just remove libgpod4/arm64 from the release pocket and see if that helps any
[17:03] <ahasenack> is noble-updates almost clear?
[17:03] <vorlon> ahasenack: $ cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*noble-updates_*Sources | grep -c Package:
[17:03] <vorlon> 1028
[17:03] <vorlon> $
[17:03] <vorlon> "almost"
[17:03] <ahasenack> looks better
[17:03] <ahasenack> last I remember it was 5k or so
[17:04] <vorlon> 7120 originally
[17:04] <vorlon> another 282 packages are currently superseded and could be removed but that requires freezing the archive again to do it
[17:05] <vorlon> I'm confused what https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/noble/ubuntu/+build/601360 is, I didn't recall us having a generic arm64 desktop image that we built
[17:06] <vorlon> letting gnupg2, mpg123, ffmpeg work their way through; afk again
[17:15] <tsimonq2> vorlon: concur with removing libgpod4, the missing piece is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/noble/arm64/rhythmbox-plugins/3.4.7-2ubuntu6
[17:31] <vorlon> tsimonq2: what do you see that says this is missing? my chdist says the arm64 binary already depends on libgpod4t64
[17:33] <tsimonq2> $ reverse-depends libgpod4
[17:33] <tsimonq2> [...]
[17:33] <tsimonq2> Reverse-Depends
[17:33] <tsimonq2> * rhythmbox-plugins [amd64 arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x]
[17:36] <tsimonq2> I mean, that does follow. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/3.4.7-2ubuntu2 was the last upload in the release pocket and that looks to be before time_t... although there is something off here.
[18:26] <vorlon> tsimonq2: the current rhythmbox-plugins in noble is 3.4.7-2ubuntu6
[18:26] <vorlon> ah but it published 9 hours ago
[18:26] <vorlon> there you go then, race condition
[18:27] <doko> so how did that libnpth0 dependency hide?
[18:28] <vorlon> doko: because libnpth0t64 Provides: libnpth0
[18:28] <vorlon> but debootstrap evidently doesn't want that
[18:29] <vorlon> and I guess at this stage noble-updates is enabled in sources, so the resuscitated real libnpth0 binary in -updates - which we cleaned up yesterday as part of trying to fix britney performance - apparently made apt happy
[18:30] <vorlon> anyway britney seems to be running well today, and I'm going to go ahead and add a skiptest hint since this is a no-change rebuild https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gnupg2
[18:32] <vorlon> ffmpeg tests coming along, a shame no one triggered these yesterday
[18:34] <tsimonq2> vorlon: thank you :)
[18:38] <doko> well, all autopkg tests failed today anyway:
[18:38] <doko> 1142s The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:38] <doko> 1142s  apt : Depends: gpgv
[18:38] <doko> 1142s E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[18:38] <doko> 1142s blame:
[19:58] <vorlon> doko: not those triggered with --all-proposed. What tests are you looking at?
[20:03] <vorlon> bdmurray, paride: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/rust-sequoia-wot/noble/armhf is special, not running with --all-proposed, test being run against the -proposed version of rust-sequioa-wot (why?) which then fails because it downloads the release pocket versions of the binary packages
[20:05] <vorlon> ffmpeg autopkgtests cleaned up nicely, even diffoscope tests passing now
[20:12] <vorlon> skiptesting the remainder which are unrelated failures
[20:15] <vorlon> gst-plugins-good1.0 apparently needs forcing because armhf
[20:17] <vorlon> (done)
[20:24] <vorlon> afk for a few hours.  gnupg2 2.4.4-2ubuntu17 published but not yet on the mirror, so worth checking debootstrap in a little bit.  The above hints should unblock the rest of what I see for ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, ubuntucinnamon-desktop, ubuntu-mate-desktop, xubuntu-desktop. kubuntu and ubuntu-unity still have a few more per-flavor things to go (gdb?!).  I haven't looked at edubuntu and
[20:24] <vorlon> ubuntustudio yet as they have significantly larger package sets and have prioritized clearing the smaller images first.
[20:25] <vorlon> going to be worth looking at https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/noble_uninst.txt soon
[20:27] <vorlon> pytest autosync in -proposed continues to be an obstacle for --all-proposed tests.  Removing it now
[22:03] <liushuyu> for the flavor Ubuntu Kylin: ukui-biometric-auth needs a rebuild: depends on pre-transition libopencv-core406
[22:17] <liushuyu> trying to also get peony migrated
[23:05] <dbungert> analyzed failure of amd64 sbuild chroot creation.  libc6-dev -> linux-libc-dev fails without proposed.  No action taken as this is just hinted as waiting on kernel testing.
[23:59] <vorlon> lubuntu not yet ready, ffmpeg also needs librist which has failing autopkgtests
[23:59] <vorlon> and depends on mbedtls which is also not happy


[23:14] <ActionParsnip> inxtone: what is windows used for?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> hinder90: do versions in later releases suport it?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> inxtone: same deal
[23:14] <L3top> well... you wouldn't want to delete them... they are available modes
[23:14] <Bndr5> L3top, I see now 1280x1024, and i need the others.
[23:15] <Bndr5> L3top, i need the 1024x..
[23:15] <L3top> you will need to change the currently used mode in desktop settings
[23:15] <inxtone> damn bro i was 12 with vb4.0 on woal now im back @ .Net @ age 28
[23:16] <inxtone> never got to linux
[23:16] <Bndr5> yes there're 800x600,1280x1024, and 600x...
[23:16] <hinder90> ActionParship: Actiually not, sorry... it just seems that  sadc -S ALL doesn't provide sar with what it needs to report info -d should
[23:16] <Bndr5> 1024x768 doesn't
[23:16] <hinder90> ActionParsnip: I am looking to do is collect what iostat reports with sa1
 Bndr5: what needs to be solved exactly? You want more resolution modes?
[23:16] <d-bugger> inxtone: then you've missd out on an awful lot :P
[23:17] <Bndr5> ubuntu@ubuntu-laptop:~$ xrandr -s "1024x768"
[23:17] <Bndr5> Size 1024x768 not found in available modes
[23:17] <inxtone> what is even the point of other OSs
[23:17] <iceroot> inxtone: you have a technical support question?
[23:17] <inxtone> you boot to process data either way
[23:17] <d-bugger> inxtone: take a look; if you use it right, it will change thwe way you work
[23:17] <inxtone> nah im simply thinking
[23:17] <Bender_> Is it possible to make the letterbox in the tray to pulse or flash in order to be more visible to my eyes when I recieve a message?
[23:18] <L3top> Bndr5: lspci | grep VGA
[23:18] <ktosiek> inxtone: well, I don't know whats the point of OSes other than Linux either
[23:18] <Bndr5> L3top, ubuntu@ubuntu-laptop:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[23:18] <Bndr5> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10)
[23:18] <d-bugger> ktosiek: lol
[23:18] <inxtone> d-bugger: but isnt rich text processing through object design the same with any code
[23:19] <d-bugger> inxtone: linux isnt just about the code
[23:19] <inxtone> d-bugger: id love to 9
[23:19] <d-bugger> you can use linux for a lot more than windows without ever really touching any coding
[23:19] <d-bugger> plus, theres several levels of coding, if you wish to get into it
[23:19] <inxtone> d-bugger: but isnt the whoel point to boot @ a custom eNvio
[23:20] <d-bugger> what do you mean - custom environment?
[23:20] <inxtone> less clicks the better?
[23:20] <inxtone> - controller navigation
[23:20] <d-bugger> its much more than just less clicks
[23:20] <inxtone> ood
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: oh man those are always hell
[23:21] <d-bugger> for example, linux stores its log files as plaintext
[23:21] <inxtone> so are ini's
[23:21] <L3top> Bndr5: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=958967&page=78
[23:21] <ktosiek> inxtone: which are not logfiles :-P
[23:21] <d-bugger> while it may seem simplistic to windows folks, it makes it easy to manipulate through pipes
[23:21] <inxtone> pipes?
[23:21] <Bndr5> L3top, i was trying this http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[23:21] <d-bugger> thus, each thing is treated as if it were a database
[23:21] <keithzz> Hi Im trying to upgrade to new ubuntu but update manager is giving me this error: Authentication failed
[23:21] <keithzz> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:21] <L3top> afk.
[23:22] <Bndr5> but there're some numbers after the resolution idont understant,
[23:22] <ktosiek> Linux is UNIXy, so a lot of things are in text files and you can do a lot of magic only by manipulating text with simple commands
[23:22] <L3top> probably modlines... afk
[23:22] <inxtone> does it really matter what OS you use?
[23:22] <d-bugger> inxtone: for example, say you want to find how many UDP hits on your firewall came in
[23:22] <Bndr5> okythx.
[23:22] <inxtone> d-Bugger: udp?
[23:23] <iceroot> inxtone: of course it does and here comes the answer
[23:23] <d-bugger> the command is something like 'cat <logfile> |grep UDP|wc
[23:23] <iceroot> !free | inxtone
[23:23] <gio333> kubuntu or lubuntu or xubuntu use less CPU ?
[23:23] <d-bugger> that flexibility is something that i, using windows for a good part of my life, didnt find
[23:23] <keithzz> I checked online, but it seams no one can fix this issue, any ideas?
[23:24] <iceroot> gio333: lubuntu
[23:24] <d-bugger> of course, i didnt know i was missing it until i moved to linux
[23:24] <ktosiek> and there's a lot of cultural differences, on Windows every application is it's own world and making them work together is pain
[23:24] <inxtone> dd-Bugger: imo windows isn't designed to be used.... it's to be developed
[23:25] <d-bugger> inxtone: i thnk even MS would disagree with that point
[23:25] <inxtone> thats why they'd ship
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: try:  gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf    and paste in this text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/925672/
[23:26] <keithzz> Authentication failed
[23:26] <keithzz> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.  Has anyone seen this?
[23:26] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, oky
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> keithzz: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: if you get no desktop, boot to root recovery mode and rename the file
[23:27] <iceroot> keithzz: and what is the output of "ping -c 4 google.com"
[23:27] <mrorganic4me> can anyone help me get a folder transfered from a virtual box windows 7 to my main os ubuntu 11.10?
[23:27] <keithzz> ActionParnip: Maverick
[23:27] <inxtone> 110 is the building where i saw the towers fall...
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> keithzz: maverick is EOL now
[23:27] <iceroot> !ot | inxtone
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> keithzz: EOL = no support + no updates
[23:27] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, i saw my Xorg empty
[23:28] <keithzz> ActionParsnip: how can I upgrade :$ ?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: yes by default it is empty, some video chips and setups need the file to tell it how to run
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | keithzz
[23:28] <iceroot> !eol | keithzz (last link)
[23:28] <iceroot> !maverick
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> keithzz: personally I'd wipe Maverick off and clean install Precise which is LTS and will be the latest Ubuntu once it's released in a week or so.
[23:29] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, this is not better ? http://pastebin.com/YzJwWGz3
[23:29] <inxtone> how would one custumize the OS on ubuntu?
[23:29] <iceroot> inxtone: the installation media?
[23:29] <ktosiek> inxtone: that depends on what you want to customize
[23:30] <three18ti> inxtone, one of the great things about Ubuntu is you can customize it any way you want,
[23:30] <inxtone> rtf units
[23:30] <iceroot> inxtone: or the installed system?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: try both :)
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> !remaster | inxtone
[23:30] <Bndr5> how ? two XOrg.conf in X11 ?
[23:30] <Bndr5> or one by one ?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: if you want, only the one named xorg.conf will be used though
[23:31] <Bndr5> ok. now ?
[23:31] <d-bugger> inxtone: to get started, you dont even need to really do that. Just take a look at gnome's gui, and compare its simple mouse-click customizability with MS'/
[23:31] <mentalove> hello, i recently bought a HD 6870 GPU and im not sure how to install the drivers for ubuntu 11.10
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: reboot and prey to the great penguin on high
[23:32] <mrdeb> mentalove: go into hardware wizard
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> !ati | mentalove
[23:32] <ktosiek> mentalove: it's a radeon?
[23:32] <mentalove> yes
[23:32] <ktosiek> it should work out of the box, try to run some games
[23:32] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, whats meaning ?
[23:33] <mentalove> ubuntu doesnt run games >.<
[23:33] <keithzz> Guys, I went here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades since I have 10.10 and Im following the first section , how to upgrade using update manager, my original quesiton is that i can't upgrate
[23:35] <spacebug-> keithzz: what does not work?
[23:35] <three18ti> mentalove, my ATI driver on 12.04 is FUBAR on my Laptop (where it was previously working in 11.10) and my nVidia driver on my Desktop is SNAFU (where it has never worked, 2x Cards and 3x Monitors)
[23:35] <mrorganic4me> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[23:36] <keithzz> I get this:
[23:36] <keithzz> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:36] <iceroot> keithzz: use the text about the EOL-upgrades
[23:36] <iceroot> keithzz: you got from ubottu
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> mentalove: oh really? not played Penumbra series or Urban terror?
[23:37] <mrorganic4me> you probly need to update your repositoryies?
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> mentalove: or Doom3 or Return to castle Wolfenstein or World of Warcraft
[23:38] <ktosiek> meh
[23:38] <ktosiek> Minecraft!
[23:38] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, the pinguin works!
[23:38] <Bndr5> thanks!
[23:38] <keithzz> iceroot: I have 10.10 running, these docs cover earlier versions
[23:39] <keithzz> the ones I found on internet that cover 10.10 suggest upgrading using update manager
[23:39] <Bndr5> ubuntu@ubuntu-laptop:~$ xrandr
[23:39] <Bndr5> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[23:39] <Bndr5> default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[23:39] <Bndr5>    1024x768       60.0*
[23:39] <Bndr5>    800x600        60.0
[23:39] <FloodBot1> Bndr5: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:39] <Bndr5>    640x480        60.0
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: backup the file that works so if you need to reinstall you can use it again
[23:40] <LittleFoot> omg installing LAMP on ubuntu is so much beter than crappy centos
[23:40] <LittleFoot> and everything is recent
[23:40] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, good idea.
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: crappy SiS GPUs often need xorg.conf files
[23:40] <LittleFoot> centos is like friken stone age
[23:40] <LittleFoot> so glad im off that pos
[23:41] <bazhang> LittleFoot, lets stay on topic please
[23:41] <LittleFoot> freak!
[23:41] <LittleFoot> relax
[23:42] <bazhang> LittleFoot, did you have an actual support issue? chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic NOT here
[23:43] <inxtone> any OS is meant to throw you off ... that's why I'm all mine in theory
[23:43] <inxtone> what is even the point of sitting at a computer
[23:43] <iceroot> inxtone: still offtopic, stop it please
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> inxtone: thats is offtopic here
[23:43] <mentalove> hey! i got my driver working somewhat. thank you
[23:43] <iceroot> keithzz: ah ok sorry
[23:44] <inxtone> iceroot: i appologize
[23:50] <inxtone> are there any other active rooms that tolerate off-topic discussion?
[23:50] <bazhang> inxtone, #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:50] <LittleFoot> no one is asking
[23:51] <LittleFoot> wats ur problem
[23:51] <bazhang> LittleFoot, it's still not the chat room here
[23:51] <KM0201> ..
[23:51] <LittleFoot> ur sum kind of asshole?
[23:55] <nexushaxx> hi
[23:55] <nexushaxx> need some help
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> ask away
[23:56] <nexushaxx> please it's possible to install a previous version on flash plugin in ubuntu 10.04?
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> nexushaxx: if you can find the plugin file, or the deb. Sure
[23:57] <nexushaxx> from the official website of adobe ?
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> nexushaxx: well that will have the latest one, not an older one
[23:58] <nexushaxx> so I may googl'it !!!
[23:58] <nexushaxx> right ?
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> nexushaxx: pretty much, is the new one causing issues?
[23:59] <esteban22x> ubuntu should be work on 1.6 Ghz ??
[23:59] <nexushaxx> I have problem with the latest one
[23:59] <nexushaxx> can't work
[23:59] <excelsior> Hello friends, I have an employer who wants to use nComputing to allow multiple users to log on to Ubuntu and Remote Desktop into WServer 2008. I assume I'll need to install Ubuntu server, and I can't think of any way to get around using ubuntu desktop. Thoughts!?
[23:59] <mentalove> anyone know about openCL and drivers on ubuntu ?