[00:01] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok so the server started ok (horray!) but no compiz and no performance improvement
[00:01] <Daekdroom> siloko: Try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/63459/
[00:01] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, do you use compiz?
[00:02] <EyesOfARaven> yep
[00:02] <EyesOfARaven> it's preinstalled on intrepid and doesnt require XGL anymore
[00:02] <siloko> Daekdroom: BRB!
[00:02] <EyesOfARaven> all u hav to do is install simple-ccsm and then configure it to ur tastes
[00:03] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what about that maximus package? is it important?
[00:03] <EyesOfARaven> it makes all programs start maximized with title bar hidden
[00:03] <EyesOfARaven> i was using it until just now when i uninstalled it
[00:04] <EyesOfARaven> install it, give it a shot and see if u like it
[00:04] <EyesOfARaven> if u dont, remove it and killall maximus
[00:04] <EyesOfARaven> and it is gone
[00:04] <redwhitewaldo> hi. i upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10. Now Skype won't load. please help.
[00:04] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok same deal :( no worries though man - thanks for rying!
[00:04] <siloko> trying
[00:05] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, cool
[00:05] <Daekdroom> siloko: Sorry for not being able to help. Anyway, I think it's easier to find how to get that same setup on the new Xorg at #xorg
[00:05] <siloko> Daekdroom: ok bed time now - will try again tomorrow - cheers!
[00:06] <redwhitewaldo> where's the online forum equivalent of this ubuntu+1 chatroom
[00:06] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what about window picker? I guess there's a compiz plugin for picking windows as well right?
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> window picker replaces the bottom bar of gnome
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> with a small applet
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> i decided to use "Window List" which comes with it instead after trying window picker for a few days
[00:07] <EyesOfARaven> window picker goes well with maximus if u like maximus
[00:09] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, nice. I think I like the compiz thing that does that
[00:10] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, but first, I have to fix wifi
[00:10] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I will reboot now to see how the new desktop is
[00:10] <gabi> brb
[00:10] <EyesOfARaven> k
[00:11] <darkphader> FYI - no keyboard, mouse or network with 8.10 rc on Thinkpad T20 alternate default install
[00:11] <darkphader> however
[00:11] <darkphader> acpi=force durin install worked
[00:12] <darkphader> it didn't help to do acpi=force if the install didn't include the option
[00:15] <redwhitewaldo> guys, my skype no longer works after going from 8.04 Hardy onto 8.10 Interprid.  Should i do a fresh/clean install?
[00:15] <redwhitewaldo> 8-(
[00:15] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I can't see the changes for some reason
[00:16] <gabi> redwhitewaldo, no. Just install it from medibuntu
[00:16] <EyesOfARaven> what did u install
[00:17] <EyesOfARaven> that u expected to see
[00:18] <redwhitewaldo> gabi: ok. will do so now.
[00:18] <ideasman_4bed> hiredgoon, how would I find the package maintainer for a package?
[00:18] <redwhitewaldo> hope it works
[00:19] <EyesOfARaven> ideasman_4bed, if u browse the repository in a browser it usually tells u
[00:19] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I saw a pic of the desktop with big icons and a black theme
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> u hav to replace nautilus with that urself in a custom session
[00:20] <ideasman_4bed> Would somebody be able to update blender3d package?
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> to test it out
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> hit alt+f2
[00:20] <EyesOfARaven> and type 'ume-launcher'
[00:20] <ArkoldThos> please tell me, once i was flying flying hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighh i touch the sky (8)
[00:20] <ideasman_4bed> we are up to blender 2.48a and the repo has 2.46
[00:21] <romulo> does anyone know the fix for subversion? its not working on intrepid
[00:21] <romulo> 3 days from release it scares me
[00:21] <coppro> ideasman_4bed: firstly, release is in 4 days
[00:21] <ideasman_4bed> sure but 2.48a has loads of bugfixes ;/
[00:22] <coppro> then file a bug in the package
[00:22] <romulo> ideasman_4bed, blender?
[00:22] <coppro> romulo: works fine here
[00:22] <romulo> coppro, not here :/
[00:22] <jrib> romulo: what isn't working exactly?
[00:22] <alteregoa> romulans
[00:22] <ideasman_42> original maintainer was "Cyril Brulebois"
[00:23] <romulo> svn: Unrecognized URL scheme for ''
[00:23] <jrib> romulo: paste your command
[00:23] <romulo> svn commit :P
[00:24] <chad> anyone havinig an issue with DNS on 8.10?  i cant ping machines on my local net via name even though they are in dns
[00:24] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I think I didn't get that ume-launcher package...
[00:24] <ideasman_42> Its just annoying we spend a lot of time to do bugfixes, Gimp has latest stable release I believe but blender version is quite old.
[00:24] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, do you know of a detailed how to?
[00:24] <ideasman_42> There are alredy quite a few bugs reported, should I try contact maintainer directly?
[00:25] <jrib> romulo: hrmm, don't really have a svn repo to play around with to test
[00:25] <coppro> romulo: sounds like something is messed up internally. Try rechecking out
[00:25] <seij0> Hello. I just installed a Dynex Wireless G card using ndiswrapper. I can not get the wireless to work though. When I go to the configuration all I get see is Dial-Up. lspci recognises the card also. I'm not sure what's wrong
[00:25] <ideasman_42> since 2.47 our bug tracker went from 200 to below 50
[00:25] <coppro> I can commit fine
[00:25] <romulo> coppro, will do
[00:25] <coppro> romulo: you should be able to save your changes by running an svn diff
[00:26] <romulo> yeah
[00:26] <CarlFK> I need to control the desktop that is displayed on the local CRT.  isn't VNC built in?  (which makes me wonder why "Install the x11vnc" is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[00:26] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, https://edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive
[00:26] <EyesOfARaven> add the deb source, the deb-src is broken it seems
[00:27] <EyesOfARaven> then apt-get install desktop-switcher go-home-applet human-netbook-theme maximus metacity netbook-launcher window-picker-applet
[00:27] <ideasman_42> Because distro's lag behind like this, we mostly ignore bug reports from them since they are useless when they are from older releases. :/
[00:27] <romulo> yeah it worked now coppro
[00:27] <romulo> looks like the local directory is messed up
[00:27] <coppro> glad it wasn't a huge repo
[00:31] <chad> any idea as to why i cannot ping local resources on my net?  DNS is setup and I am getting my info from dhcp, i just cant ping anything on this net via name
[00:31] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, crap... i can't click ok when adding the software source line
[00:31] <EyesOfARaven> i did it from nano in a terminal :p
[00:31] <EyesOfARaven> what r u using, gedit?
[00:32] <EyesOfARaven> hit maximize on the window
[00:32] <EyesOfARaven> that will size it to the screen
[00:34] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I was using the gui from system ==> preferences
[00:34] <EyesOfARaven> i dont know anything about the gui programs
[00:34] <EyesOfARaven> :/
[00:35] <chad> gabi:  you cant click ok if the deb line is not complete or accurate
[00:35] <chad> it will be gray
[00:35] <EyesOfARaven> should read "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/netbook-remix-team/ubuntu intrepid main"
[00:36] <nickwinl> Yeah 8.10 rc is "good to go", IMHO.
[00:36] <jaebird> a couple of us are having issues with the live cd automatically logging into gdm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/288960
[00:37] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, ok I got it. Nice
[00:37] <seij0> Hello. I just installed a Dynex Wireless G card using ndiswrapper. I can not get the wireless to work though. When I go to the configuration all I see is Dial-Up. lspci recognises the card also. I'm not sure what's wrong
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> lspci recognizing something just means its plugged in
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> it doesnt mean that it's installed
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> seij0
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> type "iwconfig"
[00:38] <EyesOfARaven> tell me if u see anything that has wireless extensions
[00:39] <seij0> lo: no wireless extensions
[00:39] <seij0> that's what it says
[00:39] <EyesOfARaven> that's all?
[00:39] <EyesOfARaven> that's the loopback :p
[00:39] <EyesOfARaven> type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[00:40] <seij0> nothing seems to have changed
[00:40] <EyesOfARaven> try iwconfig again
[00:40] <dug_> seij0: try system->administration->hardware drivers, see if it lists b43-fwcutter or something for your wireless card
[00:41] <seij0> EyesOfARaven: same thing
[00:41] <EyesOfARaven> go with dug_ 's stuff
[00:41] <seij0> dug_ :okay
[00:42] <seij0> "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[00:43] <EyesOfARaven> how did u set up ndiswrapper
[00:44] <dug_> seij0: I'm not sure, but you can try installing b43-fwcutter through system->administration->synaptic package manager.  I did a search and that seems to be the driver people use for that card
[00:44] <Cameron> I'm running intrepid, and after an update my gdm session won't login properly... I enter username and password, the screen goes blank, but no desktop shell is loaded
[00:45] <seij0> dug_: I'll try that next
[00:46] <seij0> dug_: ...how do I get that. I don't see it
[00:46] <seij0> and will it download? because that computer is not connected at all
[00:47] <dr_willis> No network connection.. makes it a little harder.
[00:47] <redwhitewaldo> i've just installed skype-medibuntu-version, and it doesn't work.  please help me fix this.
[00:48] <dr_willis> given that skype is  closed source.. its hard for  the ubuntu guys to 'fix' much in it.. other then try to discover work arounds to problems.. tell the channel what is the exact problem
[00:48] <dug_> seij0: oh right, i'm not sure the right thing to download.  if you can, you can try a wired connection until wireless is working
[00:49] <Cameron> is network manager meant to start wireless connections only after you have logged in ?
[00:50] <dr_willis> Cameron,  thats how it works for me.
[00:50] <seij0> There is no possible way to do that either. Maybe is there another way?
[00:50] <dr_willis> it uses the users keyring to store the passwords and stuff.
[00:50] <dr_willis> download the packages on another machine, to a thumbdrive... and sneaker-net :)
[00:51] <Cameron> dr_willis: is there a way to trigger it to connect from a terminal - i.e. without logging into gdm ?
[00:51] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: when i was on ubuntu 8.04, skype was working fine. but after upgrading from ubuntu version 8.04 to 8.10, skype no longer works. Here's the problem. I type in "skype" in terminal, and after 10 minutes, it says "segmentation fault". pls advise
[00:51] <dr_willis> Cameron,  proberly is.. but i rarely use wireless.. so ive never looked into it.
[00:51] <Cameron> dr_willis: thanks
[00:51] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  no clue.. thats why i said 'tell the channel' :)
[00:52] <dr_willis> Ive had some bad luck with upgrades.. on my 4 machines.
[00:52] <seij0> I found a deb for it
[00:52] <seij0> I'm going to put that on my flash drive and install it that way
[00:52] <seij0> I'll tell you how it goes
[00:52] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, I installed the packages now but I still dont see any changes and my wifi still is not working
[00:52] <redwhitewaldo> haven't i already told the channel the problem?
[00:52] <dr_willis> the b43-fwcutter conects to the internet to download some packages also.. so you need to figure out what its downloading also..
[00:53] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: what else can i say?
[00:53] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  you addressed it to me specifically. :)
[00:53] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, what might be going wrong?
[00:54] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  you may want to check the bug reports for any others with skype issues..
[00:54] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: i see. sorry.
[00:54] <redwhitewaldo> hi, everyone. when i was on ubuntu 8.04, skype was working fine. but after upgrading from ubuntu version 8.04 to 8.10, skype no longer works. Here's the problem. I type in "skype" in terminal, and after 10 minutes, it says "segmentation fault". pls advise
[00:54] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, which eee do u hav
[00:54] <EyesOfARaven> gabi, join #ubuntu-eeepc
[00:54] <EyesOfARaven> and ask there
[00:55] <gabi> EyesOfARaven, cool, I will do that
[00:56] <dug_> redwhitewaldo: did you upgrade skype after upgrading to intrepid?  cause medibuntu's been down today.  Otherwise, you might try downloading skype directly from their site http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[00:56] <dr_willis> Yea- i noticed medibuntu was down today
[00:57] <dug_> when you upgrade, the medibuntu software source is disabled, you have to type the command here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[00:57] <redwhitewaldo> dug_: first, i upgraded ubuntu. Then,  i tried using the skype the way it was. but the way it was skype (which i got from skype.com) did not work. so gabi here said that i should try the medibuntu version of skype. so i got the medibuntu version of skype. but skype still doesn't work.
[00:58] <redwhitewaldo> dug_: and yes, i've tried downloading the skype deb direcetly from the skype.com site after i upgraded ubuntu versions.
[00:58] <dug_> redwhitewaldo: oh ok, i had medibuntu skype installed first, then upgraded to intrepid.  skype still works for me, but i haven't upgraded it yet because medibuntu is down
[01:00] <redwhitewaldo> dug_:  what could be the problem in my case? i don' think the problem lies with skype itself.
[01:02] <dr_willis> The problem very well could be skype is expexcting some older libs/ or other things..
[01:02] <dug_> redwhitewaldo: sorry, i don't know
[01:02] <redwhitewaldo> dr_willis: oh, i see. is there a way to make skype not expect older stuff?
[01:02] <CarlFK> any of the devs from https://launchpad.net/remote-help-assistant want to help me test this (and get it working ...)
[01:03] <dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  its not open sourced.. so theres not a lot people can do to make skype do anything..
[01:03] <dr_willis> other then figure out work arounds around the skype issues
[01:03] <geremy> is there due to be a change to the intel 9xx series drivers before release?
[01:06] <storrgie> is google calender working with evolution?
[01:06] <storrgie> when i first installed 8.10 beta it worked, but since i have updated it wont work anymore
[01:07] <seij0> hey all
[01:07] <seij0> alright tried installing the package
[01:07] <seij0> nothing still
[01:07] <seij0> all I see is dial-up
[01:09] <storrgie> Anyone using google calender with evolution?
[01:10] <EyesOfARaven> how can i add the "Open in Terminal" to the right click of nautilus, like Linux Mint has
[01:12] <ArkoldThos> the kopete client that is in intrepid is supposed to use display pictures in msn protocol?
[01:14] <seij0> Hello. I just installed a Dynex Wireless G card using ndiswrapper. I can not get the wireless to work though. When I go to the configuration all I see is Dial-Up. lspci recognises the card also. I'm not sure what's wrong. I even installed the firmware. iwconfig doesn't detect anything. Please help.
[01:14] <EyesOfARaven> we already helped u, did u install the fwcutter like they said?
[01:15] <dr_willis> i was thinking on my laptop the console, printed messages about what 'firmware' pakcages i needed to get. with the URL.. i think that was the same URL the fwcutter tool grabbed
[01:16] <geremy> Ok, I've tried getting my intel 945's s video to work in Hardy, now i've tried Intrepid and no luck- the updated intel driver does not seem to have any effect. any help would be very much appreciated
[01:17] <seij0> EyesOfARaven: I sure did. Still nothing
[01:21] <maxb_> I'm not having a great time with GNOME 2.24 :-/
[01:22] <maxb_> regression in gnome-terminal, regression in gnome-keyring-daemon :-/
[01:23] <storrgie> regression?
[01:23] <dr_willis> cant say that ive been having any issues with gnome  so far
[01:24] <storrgie> maxb_: can you explain regression? I am a little new to this
[01:24] <dr_willis> Technical term for... 'what used to work. is now broken' :)
[01:25] <storrgie> i dont think its gnome, but nvidia-settings segfaults when you try to save the config
[01:25] <storrgie> thats a new one
[01:26] <maxb_> To be fair, neither issue is *that* painful to work around, but regressions in general are annoying, and I must have spent quite a few hours on them
[01:26] <storrgie> and has anyone been able to get evolution to work over a socks proxy? mine seems to ignore me
[01:29] <dr_willis> I saw some others mention that storrgie  bit not seen it happen myself.
[01:30] <storrgie> you mean the proxy? or nvidia-settings
[01:31] <Ahadiel> Whenever network manager starts up it tries to connect to my wired connection, THEN it tries to connect to my home wifi AP. In nm-applet it seems to be connected to both at once, anyone else experience this issue?
[01:34] <danbh_intrepid> Ahadiel: network manager and nm-applet are one and the same, are they not?
[01:34] <Ahadiel> Yes.
[01:35] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, Was there a point to that?
[01:36] <danbh_intrepid> you contradicted yourself, did you not?
[01:36] <danbh_intrepid> btw, I won't have an answer, regardless
[01:38] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, How did I contradict myself?
[01:40] <danbh_intrepid> Ahadiel: you said nm connects your wired and then your wifi, serially.  Then, you said that nm connects them in parallel.  Are there differing circumstances that this happens?  Is it just random, does nm switch back and forth?  Or, did you just phrase it wrong?
[01:42] <storrgie> so how is the flash support for intrepid x64?
[01:42] <dr_willis> it works here...
[01:42] <dr_willis> it installed the 32bit comat libs I think
[01:43] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, Fair enough, and yes I probably did phrase it wrong.
[01:43] <Ahadiel> danbh_intrepid, But did you understand the point I was trying to convey?
[01:44] <danbh_intrepid> Ahadiel: no, I didn't.  I didn't get it at all, unfortunately.  But again, I'm not an expert either.
[01:45] <storrgie> damnit is anyone using google calender with evolution?
[01:48] <storrgie> is there an evolution forum?
[01:48] <storrgie> or an irc spot?
[01:51] <radams> How do I allow Kopete to use the KDE wallet without having to enter my password each time I open it?
[01:58] <CarlFK> anyone here good with python and pyglet?  looks like the repo has v1.0, but http://www.pyglet.org/doc/programming_guide/drawing_primitives.html must be expecting 1.2
[01:58] <CarlFK> which is making it really hard for me to do something like "draw a circle"
[02:00] <soreau> Would anyone be able to tell me which the kernel version Intrepid will come with? (for the official release?)
[02:00] <void^> !info linux-image-generic
[02:00] <RAOF> The one that's there right now?
[02:01] <soreau> void^: Thanks
[02:05] <bretzel> Hi there PLEASE, IMPORTANT, I see no where how to get into my usual networking setup using  the new NETWORK SETUP DLG!!!! asking me to add route manually ????????????????/
[02:05] <mercutio22> bretzel> uh oh
[02:06] <bretzel> Using DHCP client all is okay, but going by manualy ( static 192.168.x.x network is unfesable
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> you can leave route blank
[02:06] <bretzel> no, dlg does not enable the OK button
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> did you set your IP, gateway, and hostmask?
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> and your dns?
[02:06] <bretzel> of course
[02:07] <mercutio22> hmm
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i use it in the same manner, and have never had to set a route manually.
[02:07] <mercutio22> I used static once. It worked
[02:08] <mercutio22> maybe something broke in the last update?
[02:08] <bretzel> There is no more gnome-network  ( or Menu/System/Administration/Network "
[02:09] <bretzel> I have to right-click on the network-manager ttray icon to get into the failure dlg
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> bretzel: system > preferences > network configuration
[02:12] <bretzel> Uh oh!!! same dlg, but There is a bug in the dlg event's I must press RETURN on the (filled) fields fot the OK button to activate I mean, seems to be okay now ( not yet completed the manual setup tho ) I am righting here ...
[02:13] <bretzel> Dlg setup done, let see if ifconfig comfirms new settings ( cu after re-connect )
[02:13] <bretzel> still on dynamic IP
[02:16] <bretzel1> okay net setup okay, after ifconfig commands The dlg is really unusual and nothing warned me about the changes I had to guest through. and btw why network is under preferences ??? must be under admin for sure
[02:17] <mercutio22> bretzel> now that you are saying... it makes sense
[02:17] <void^> no, networkmanager stuff is per user
[02:19] <mercutio22> not an administrative task then?
[02:19] <alanbshepard77> Ok I downloaded ubuntu 8.10 RC and I have to know how to fix few this one issue with my laptops touchpad, every few seconds my desktop switches. What's triggering that to happen and how do I stop it?
[02:20] <drakeman> good night people
[02:20] <drakeman> how r u guys! hope fine!
[02:21] <evan_> hey
[02:21] <mercutio22> drakeman> so much for the selfish gene, and evolution produces such selfless altruism =]
[02:22] <evan_> can i dualscreen with both ati and nvidia?
[02:22] <SyL> I've got the Atheroes madwifi driver install in 8.10, but this asprire 5315 laptop doesn't seem to be able to see the wifi. it appears as an unknown driver. ideas?
[02:23] <drakeman> lol!
[02:24] <mercutio22> drakeman> you ought to luv ubuntu
[02:24] <soreau> SyL: How did you install the drivers?
[02:24] <SyL> soreau: I was trying to compile, but it errors out around pwrsave.
[02:24] <evan_> is it possible to dualscreen when having 1 ati and 1 nvidia card?
[02:25] <soreau> SyL: What is the output of 'lspci' for your card?
[02:25] <SyL> today I updated and ran the hardware driver finder and it sees the card, and I activated it, and the device is active, but it doesn't know what driver it is...
[02:25] <SyL> soreau: stand by
[02:26] <CarlFK> evan_: yes.  I am doing it with Rage 128 and GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[02:26] <SyL> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[02:26] <CarlFK> evan_: this is my hardy box, but I would hope it didn't break :)
[02:28] <soreau> SyL: For your card, there is an updated hal, not sure if it made it into Intrepid, but did you try Sys>Admin>Hardware Drivers? (after installing linux restricted modules?)
[02:28] <mercutio22> SyL> I had problems with this hardware before
[02:28] <CarlFK> soreau: are you sure you aren't talking about ath5k that got yanked in the last few days?
[02:29] <mercutio22> I solved it by compiling a version of the madwifi driver
[02:29] <soreau> CarlFK: No, madwifi-ng
[02:29] <SyL> soreau: let me try real quick...
[02:29] <evan_> CarlFK: how did you do it?? i cant get my drivers installed at the same time?
[02:29] <evan_> and do you have 3d on both screens?
[02:29] <evan_> and do you have 1 big screen or 2 separated?
[02:29] <evan_> :P
[02:30]  * soreau has the working source
[02:30] <soreau> mercutio22: Right
[02:30] <CarlFK> evan_: no 3d (didn't really try) - whats the diff between 1 big and 2 sep?
[02:30] <CarlFK> evan_: I can drag windows between the 2
[02:30] <evan_> ahh ok
[02:31] <mercutio22> the atheros device I mean
[02:31] <evan_> But..Tell me please how did you do it?
[02:31] <CarlFK> evan_: http://dpaste.com/87185/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:32] <SyL> mercutio22: I was trying to compile it as well, but it was complaining about pwrsave and it won't continue past it
[02:32] <drakeman> Hello again to all th people, i have a little question, i thing when intrepid ibex comes out this will be fixed, but i just have the doubt, why when i right click to applications menu in gnome-panel and put edit menus nothings happend i should see a window to edit the items in the menus in the gnome panel, what can be that error?
[02:32] <evan_> CarlFK: i get tge xorg part... but the drivers...??
[02:32] <shane2peru> ok, any ideas on setting up ATI Radeon correctly?
[02:32] <CarlFK> evan_: I actually have 3 cards in my box right now, but only 2 are active.  not sure what the problem is
[02:33] <shane2peru> it is better than it was on hardy, but still slightly lacking
[02:33] <CarlFK> evan_: what about the drivers?
[02:33] <mercutio22> SyL> what version are you trying to install?
[02:34] <drakeman> anyones have a little idea about my problem_
[02:34] <drakeman> ?
[02:34] <evan_> CarlFK: you cant have nvidia driver enabled while having gflrx at the same time
[02:34] <Cycom> O_O
[02:34] <Cycom> evan_: what if you have one nvidia card and one ati card?
[02:34] <SyL> mercutio22:version of what?
[02:35] <mercutio22> SyL> of the madwifi driver
[02:35] <void^> Cycom: stick with open drivers
[02:35] <shane2peru> hmm, perhaps mine is setup right after all, however bzflag is not playable, very messed up looking screen
[02:35] <Cycom> void^: well I do for the ATI, but for the nvidia, 3d? come on.
[02:35] <evan_> Cycom: then youve gotta mess:P
[02:36] <SyL> soreau: I installed the restricted modules and it still sees it as unknown interface wifi0 and ath0
[02:36] <SyL> mercutio22: hold on
[02:36] <evan_> Cycom: i want dual screen with 2 cards 1 ati and one nvidia
[02:36] <CarlFK> evan_: and binary drivers...
[02:36] <Cycom> evan_: Hell, I just want dual screens with my ATI card.
[02:36] <Cycom> evan_: I can't even get that
[02:36] <soreau> SyL: What is the output of 'lsmod|grep ath'?
[02:36] <shane2peru> SyL: for wireless?
[02:36] <Cycom> and with the nvidia card, it behaves...oddly
[02:36] <CarlFK> Cycom: yeah, I have 2 ati too, and that didn't seem to fly
[02:37] <Cycom> CarlFK: this is with one ATI using the Opensource drivers
[02:37] <Cycom> fglrx has some...issues with video playback
[02:37] <evan_> CarlFK: can you install 2 binairys at the same time?
[02:38] <CarlFK> evan_: install yes.  use... du no.  looking at my conf, I see I am using nv.  I don't think I bothered with a binary ati
[02:38] <SyL> mercutio22: kernel 2.6.27-generic, madwifi-0.9.4, madwifi-hal-<IP_ADDRESS>-r3861-20080903, & madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007
[02:38] <SyL> soreau: stand by
[02:38] <drakeman> anyone can help me pleaseee?
[02:38] <Cycom> I'm pretty sure you can use more than one graphics driver for more than one card.
[02:39] <Cycom> I wonder if I could set up two X Servers on my machine, one with FGLRX and one with ATI/Radeon
[02:39] <shane2peru> SyL: this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948434&page=2  is how I fixed mine
[02:39] <CarlFK> evan_: http://dpaste.com/87187/  I added /var/log/Xorg.0.log to the end
[02:39] <mercutio22> SyL>  I Think madwifi-hal-<IP_ADDRESS>-r3861-20080903 solved my problem
[02:39] <shane2peru> SyL: I have athos internal wireless.
[02:39] <SyL> soreau: ath_rate_sample, ath_pci, wlan, ath_hal
[02:39] <soreau> drakeman: What happens when you run 'alacarte' from your terminal?
[02:39] <shane2peru> SyL: Oh, it is post number 28
[02:39] <SyL> mercutio22: and what kernel are you using?
[02:40] <soreau> SyL: Can you pstebin the output of 'dmesg'?
[02:40] <SyL> soreau: yeah, hold on
[02:40] <Guest61077> can someone tell my why i cant install firefox on kubuntu 8.10 without installing half of gnome too?
[02:40] <shane2peru> Guest61077: hmm, beta. :)
[02:40] <shane2peru> Guest61077: ooops, I mean Release Candidate
[02:41] <drakeman> mmmm dont know anything about alacarte!
[02:41] <drakeman> let me runit
[02:41] <mercutio22> SyL>  I don't remember... how do I check?
[02:42] <drakeman> soreau this is the last line
[02:42] <drakeman>     fd = open(getattr(self, menu).path, 'w')
[02:42] <drakeman> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/drakeman/.config/menus/applications.menu'
[02:42] <soreau> mercutio22: uname -r?
[02:42] <SyL> mercutio22: uname -a
[02:42] <drakeman> thankssss
[02:42] <drakeman> i put sudo alacarte
[02:42] <drakeman> and now i can access
[02:42] <drakeman> thanks.....
[02:42] <evan_> CarlFK: how good is the opensource ati driver?
[02:43] <mercutio22> SyL> 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 24 06:40:41 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:43] <soreau> drakeman: Looks like your home permissions are messed up. Try running this as USER 'sudo chown -R $LOGNAME ~/'
[02:43] <soreau> drakeman: Don't run alacarte as sudo
[02:43] <CarlFK> evan_: good enough?  purple.  does the job.
[02:43] <evan_> purple?
[02:43] <Volkodav> anybody found FF 3.1 beta for _64 bit?
[02:44] <SyL> sorry, was trying to paste the pastebin URL
[02:44] <SyL> I will hand type everything from now on...
[02:44] <SyL> =\
[02:44] <drakeman> soreau i got this message chown: cannot access `/home/drakeman/.gvfs': Permission denied
[02:44] <CarlFK> evan_: I like purple. :)  "how good" is pretty subjective works great for gaim
[02:44] <soreau> drakeman: Did you run the chown command with sudo?
[02:45] <drakeman> lol
[02:45] <drakeman> not
[02:45] <drakeman> jeje
[02:46] <drakeman> yes now i run it with sudo
[02:46] <drakeman> but i got the same message
[02:46] <soreau> You're not listening
[02:46] <soreau> But you're permissions are borked
[02:47] <drakeman> mm it have solution?
[02:47] <SyL> soreau: http://pastebin.com/d3a7cbd07
[02:48] <CarlFK> soreau:  drakeman is runing ibex, which will probably blow up soon, and then a re-install will fix everything :)
[02:48] <drakeman> no no
[02:48] <drakeman> im runing hardy heron
[02:48] <soreau> CarlFK: My thoughts exactly
[02:48] <drakeman> in this moment i have 8.04 LTS
[02:49] <shane2peru> SyL: you have about the same atheros chipset as I do, use this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948434&page=2  post number 28
[02:49] <soreau> SyL: So you're not using madwifi-ng, but 0.9.4?
[02:49] <shane2peru> SyL: I have AR242x, you have AR242s
[02:49] <soreau> 0o
[02:49] <SyL> shane2peru: mine says AR242x when I do lspci
[02:50] <SyL> soreau: I couldn't get any of the madwifi drivers to compile
[02:50] <soreau> SyL: Oh??
[02:50] <SyL> shane2peru: I'm looking at it now
[02:50] <soreau> SyL: Then how did you get the one you have installed now?
[02:50] <shane2peru> SyL: one thing is you are going to need to make sure you unload any and all drivers you are already using
[02:50] <soreau> shane2peru: I'm getting to that ;)
[02:50] <drakeman> soreau there is a way to fix my problem?¡
[02:51] <soreau> drakeman: Clean install
[02:51] <drakeman> mm thats the only way?
[02:51] <SyL> soreau: let me get you the compile error. I'm guessing it compiled most of it and it just won't work well with power saving... hold on
[02:51] <shane2peru> soreau: post 28 on this page gives the instructions that should fix it all:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948434&page=2   for his atheros chipset
[02:51] <shane2peru> soreau: ahh, perhaps he needs to install buildessential
[02:52] <soreau> shane2peru: I was also getting to that ;)
[02:52] <shane2peru> soreau: it's all yours! :)  I'm off to bed.
[02:53] <SyL> soreau: buildessential is already installed, and so is kerel headers (the correct ones)
[02:53] <soreau> drakeman: Just remember for future reference, don't run as root or use sudo unless you have a concrete reason and know exactly what you're doing
[02:53] <drakeman> ok
[02:53] <drakeman> let me try to fixit with the new version
[02:53] <drakeman> doing a clean install
[02:54] <soreau> SyL: Can you run '<madwifi>/scripts/madwifi-unload' and then 'modprobe ath_pci'?
[02:54] <SyL> soreau: yeah... hold on
[02:55] <SyL> gives me could not open errors and no such file or directory
[02:55] <drakeman> thanks soreau
[02:56] <soreau> SyL: What command exactly gives you that? <madwifi>=the madwifi source directory
[02:56] <drakeman> good night people
[02:56] <drakeman> thanks for your help
[02:56] <drakeman> soreau going to fix with new version, thanks for your help
[02:57] <a1len> Hey guys. If I'm using a virtual disk, is it possible for me to read with rhythmbox the music files in Windows?
[02:57] <SyL> the modprobe ath_pci gives me that...
[02:58] <soreau> SyL: Ah, so the modules unload ok? ..
[02:58] <SyL> soreau: it's very odd... this post #28 seems to be working now, the driver is compiling fine...
[02:59] <SyL> soreau: yeah, I'm a pretty advanced *nix user, I just don' know much about the wifi stuff lately. I don't own any laptops. =)
[02:59] <soreau> Compile it, install it, and if no errors 'modprobe ath_pci' then reboot and you should be good
[02:59] <bhuey> so my X11 is blown out from the upgrade. Manually configure it ? what's the best method
[02:59] <bhuey> ?
[02:59] <soreau> SyL: I have a desktop here. Atheros chipsets are in a lot of brand name hw
[02:59] <soreau> bhuey: 'blown out'?
[02:59] <bhuey> soreau: won't start properly
[03:00] <bhuey> the keyboard is disconnected
[03:00] <soreau> Why not connect a keyboard?
[03:00] <bhuey> it is connected
[03:00] <bhuey> but it X11 isn't happy with it for some reason, anybody run into this problem ?
[03:00] <soreau> So X starts and you only have mouse input?
[03:00] <bhuey> yes
[03:01] <soreau> So use a known working xorg.conf..?
[03:01] <drakeman> soreau, guest what
[03:01] <bhuey> It was my old config
[03:01] <soreau> bhuey: I have no idea what could cause that
[03:01] <SyL> soreau: I'm going to reboot and if it doesn't work, I'll be back... that's for all your help
[03:02] <bhuey> soreau: I'll try it again
[03:02] <drakeman> i install Build-essentials, and now when i right click it works..... and now when i run the command chown as may user i got this message : chown: changing ownership of `/home/drakeman/.gvfs': Function not implemented
[03:02] <bhuey> maybe I should reboot after the upgrade ?
[03:02] <drakeman> what is build essentials?
[03:02] <drakeman> i install it because i see that somebody here write that i have to install....
[03:03] <soreau> bhuey: Uh, yea..
[03:03] <soreau> drakeman: They weren't talking to you
[03:03] <drakeman> oh no? hehehehee
[03:04] <drakeman> but it works
[03:04] <soreau> I doubt installing build-essential resolved your issue
[03:04] <drakeman> what is that? what is build-essentials? and now im right? thats the correct answer i have to get when runing chown command?
[03:04] <drakeman> but is that the only thing i do
[03:04] <soreau> (unless you were getting build errors while trying to compile something)
[03:05] <drakeman> just intall it and then i right click and donee, it works....
[03:05] <drakeman> but then thats mean that i dont have permissions messed up?
[03:05] <soreau> drakeman: I think that resolving your issues with the chown command I gave you fixed things ;)
[03:06] <drakeman> well, now that doesnt matter, the important thing is that now everything works fine, and really thanks for your help Soreau, you and all the community are great, sorry, im trying a lot of things im trying to learn with an ebook
[03:06] <drakeman> hehehe
[03:07] <soreau> drakeman: Just don't run as root or with sudo please
[03:07] <drakeman> ok, done! thanks soreau
[03:07] <drakeman> good night, im going to sleep happy, hehe i cant wait for intrepid, hehehe..
[03:07] <drakeman> bye bye people!
[03:07] <drakeman> Regards!
[03:13] <bhuey> soreau: I'll try again
[03:13] <bhuey> maybe it was a general problem
[03:13] <bhuey> I haven't rebooted it yet as well
[03:20] <td123> So I hope ubuntu will finally fix the driver issue/webcam issue for the release :D
[03:21] <td123> I have no 3d acceleration on my intel 945gm
[03:24] <mneptok> !info gmpc
[03:29] <_mary_kate_> there are a lot of packages in 8.10 which suggest packages that don't exist.  should these be reported as bugs?
[03:34] <centaur5> Is there a quick fix if the nm-applet no longer appears even if you manually launch it?
[03:34] <pen> I figured that intrepid would kernel panic when I use pptp VPN
[03:34] <pen> is there a fix to this?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> _mary_kate_:
[03:35] <Hobbsee> _mary_kate_: they're already tracked.
[03:35] <_mary_kate_> okay
[03:38] <mneptok> hrmf.
[03:40] <vbabiy> Does any one know of a fix for the ubuntu 8.10 mic in the Dell XPS M1530
[03:47] <godlygeek> is intrepid missing a valid rgb.txt?
[03:48] <RAOF> Intrepid _is_ missing the need for a rgb.txt file, yes.  You may be running into an nvidia-xconfig bug?
[03:48] <godlygeek> nope.  vim uses rgb.txt to allow for color names instead of #rrggbb codes in its colorschemes...
[03:49] <godlygeek> and i have a script that attempts to approximate the same support without connecting to an x server, which was done by searching against an rgb.txt file.
[03:50] <RAOF> Hm.  I dunno.  As far as I'm aware, you're the first person who's cared about rgb.txt.
[03:52] <godlygeek> why is rgb.txt no longer needed?  some new feature in  modern x's, or...?
[03:52] <OSUKid7> hi, I just upgraded to Intrepid and Network Manager/nm-applet isn't starting automatically. any suggestions for troubleshooting that so I get it running again?
[03:55] <keithclark> I created a usb startup disk with the built in command to do so, and all seemed well.  I tried to boot from it and my computer says "No operating system found"  Where did I go wrong?
[03:57] <esac> dang. i had flash 10 working perfectly in hardy. i moved to intrepid, and still running flash 10, and now it is experiencing the famous hang after 2 second issue
[04:03] <td123> esac: 2 more days till its fixed :D
[04:03] <ethana2> I countdown 'till midnight every day
[04:03] <ethana2> ..'cause at midnight i can decrement my countdown to 8.10
[04:03] <ethana2> ....even though I'm already on it
[04:04] <esac> td123, oh is there a bug # ?
[04:04] <ethana2> I've told people I'll be passing out 8.10 install discs instead of candy, they told me to remind them to skip my house
[04:04] <maco> ethana2: oh thats a good idea
[04:04] <ethana2> What can I say?
[04:04] <ethana2> I like my reese's
[04:05] <maco> i cant eat most halloween candy
[04:05] <godlygeek> RAOF: can you elaborate on why intrepid doesn't need rgb.txt?
[04:05] <vbabiy> Does any one know of a fix for the ubuntu 8.10 mic in the Dell XPS M1530
[04:09] <RAOF> godlygeek: No, not really; I presume that upstream xorg no longer requires it.
[04:09] <godlygeek> RAOF: ok.  thanks.
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> hi, my pluginfinder service is not working at all. When I select a plugin to install, it shows a blank box and doesn't download anything
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> is this  a known bug? Does anyone know what packages the pluginfinder service for firefox is located in so that I can reinstall them?
[04:12] <kubuntu_> hi i am having trouble getting firefox installed
[04:13] <kubuntu_> searching 'firefox' in adept creates a lot of results none of which look right
[04:13] <coppro> try synaptic
[04:13] <coppro> the new adept is weird
[04:13] <kubuntu_> okay thanks i will right now
[04:14] <madwho> Hello
[04:14] <madwho> anybody could help me with keyboard layouts?
[04:14] <x1250> :)
[04:15] <kubuntu_> coppro: after you install with synaptic do you sometimes have to reboot or always or never?
[04:15] <madwho> x1250, r u smiling at me ? :)
[04:15] <coppro> kubuntu_: only if you install a kernel-related package
[04:15] <x1250> madwho, yes! just ask... :)
[04:16] <madwho> x1250,  any hint how to set it ? i'm too lazy to type everytime setxkbmap in terminal
[04:17] <madwho> i tried dpkg-reconfig console-setup
[04:17] <EruditeHermit> madwho: that is how to do it
[04:17] <EruditeHermit> madwho: HAL manages keyboard detection now
[04:18] <madwho> EruditeHermit, i created /etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-keyboard.fdi
[04:18] <madwho> but it don't seem to work
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> madwho: I'm not an expert so I can't really help with that, but I think you are in the right direction with that. Perhaps you have malformatted fdi file?
[04:20] <SyL> soreau: ok, so what do I use so I can pick my SSID to see if the WIFI is working on this laptop
[04:20] <madwho> EruditeHermit, could be but i can't find instructions on that and file i created i copied from some forum don't remember which one
[04:20] <EruditeHermit> ask in #xorg maybe
[04:20] <madwho> EruditeHermit,  ok i'll try
[04:20] <madwho> thnx
[04:20] <soreau> SyL: Does 'iwconfig' show ath0 wnd wifi0?
[04:21] <soreau> and*
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> madwho: or google for more fdi examples
[04:21] <madwho> EruditeHermit, I did but i only find posts with problem but no solution
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> madwho: a lot of people will be getting this because of the new Xorg
[04:22] <madwho> I have no problem on other machine cause i set it during setup but i forgot to do it on this one
[04:22] <madwho> and now can't find how to reconfigure it
[04:22] <madwho> ok i'll ask in xorg
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> madwho: you tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup?
[04:22] <madwho> EruditeHermit, yes didn't do a thing
[04:23] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:23] <SyL> soreau: lo, eth0, wifi0, ath0 (looks like that's the wifi card) pan0. They all say no wireless card except for the ath0 one
[04:23] <coppro> SyL: then the ath0 is the wifi card. Try iwlist scan
[04:24] <soreau> SyL: Great. I assume you're not running nm-applet?
[04:24] <SyL> coppro: that shows SSIDs in the area... woot
[04:24] <SyL> soreau: I'm guessing not? this is Ubuntu Studio... =\
[04:25] <soreau> SyL: Good, then just use iwconfig to set up your ssid and encryption key, then 'dhclient ath0'
[04:25] <SyL> soreau: I bet I could install it though
[04:25] <soreau> SyL: Don't
[04:25] <madwho> EruditeHermit, by the way where do i report bugs ? I had a hard time with grub
[04:26] <SyL> soreau: is there a GUI client that I can use later... the owner of this laptop isn't "good" with computers. =)
[04:26] <coppro> madwho: launchpad.net
[04:26] <madwho> coppro, ok thnx
[04:26] <kubuntu_> coppro: thanks got it working
[04:26] <madwho> had to install grub manually from FC9
[04:27] <FFForever> how can i ripemd160 hash my password?
[04:27] <soreau> SyL: For example, add something like this to /etc/rc.local (on ubuntu): iwconfig ath0 essid <essid> key <key>
[04:27] <keithclark_> How to adjust compiz settings?  I don't see any menu items for it in the default setup of live CD 64 bit running on a usb drive
[04:27] <coppro> soreau: that's not a gui
[04:28] <soreau> SyL: And then 'dhclient ath0'
[04:28] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: you need to install extra packages
[04:28] <soreau> coppro: Was that not obvious?
[04:28] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:28] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: thanks
[04:28] <soreau> SyL: But make sure to test that those commands work in sequence first of course
[04:29] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: where to enable extra packages?
[04:29] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: synaptic
[04:29] <soreau> keithclark_: /etc/apt/spurces.list
[04:30] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: go to System-->Administration-->Synaptic Package Manager and search for compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:31] <EruditeHermit> coppro: do you have a working plugin finder for firefox on your box?
[04:31] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: not findig it.
[04:31] <coppro> Erudite: plugin finder?
[04:31] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: I still don't know where to turn on the extras yet
[04:31] <soreau> keithclark_: Or you could run 'sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager' (while synaptic isn't running)
[04:32] <keithclark_> soreau: let me try....
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: check in System--> Administration--> Software Sources to see if web updates are enabled. If you are running a live CD the package isn't on the live CD.
[04:32] <SyL> soreau: trying them
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: once you install Ubuntu, it automatically enables web updates
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: but a Live CD may not
[04:32] <soreau> keithclark_: EruditeHermit is also correct
[04:33] <keithclark_> Ah, so in the live cd mode it is not possible
[04:33] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: it is possible, follow my last comment instructions to enable it
[04:33] <keithclark_> The effects work though....that is an improvement.
[04:34] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: in Software Sources, check to enable all web updates
[04:34] <Freelancer86> small question, anyone tried live usb creator in ubuntu?
[04:34] <EruditeHermit> Freelancer86: yes
[04:34] <soreau> Freelancer86: I heard it works fairly well
[04:34] <EruditeHermit> coppro: the firefox plugin finder for java and flash etc
[04:34] <coppro> EruditeHermit: never had it work
[04:34] <coppro> ever
[04:34] <coppro> any os
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> its broken for me on Intrepid now
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> it used to work on Hardy
[04:35] <Freelancer86> good, cause I tried doing it by hand before 8.10 and it was a disaster
[04:35] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: I'm not sure I understand here....Under updates, the first two boxes are checked.  I still see nowhere to "turn on" extras
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> Freelancer86: as long as its an Ubuntu desktop iso, it works well
[04:36] <Freelancer86> cool, thanks
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: in Ubuntu software, what do you have checked?
[04:36] <keithclark_> main, restriced and source
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: in synaptic click reload
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> and then search again
[04:37] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: ok
[04:37] <soreau> EruditeHermit: This is why I think it's easier to pastebin the output of 'sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager'
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> soreau: he needs to do a sudo apt-get update first
[04:37] <EruditeHermit> soreau: with that method
[04:38] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: when I tried to close that window, it automatically asked to update
[04:38] <soreau> Then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager ;)
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: then search for it in synaptic again and it should appear
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: or do what soreau said
[04:38] <geremy> hey all, still looking for help with an intel 945's tv out in either hardy or intrepid, assistance would be much appreciated
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> keithclark_: both will do it
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> geremy: try Xorg
[04:39] <coppro> EruditeHermit: I always just use the plugin packages
[04:39] <EruditeHermit> geremy: #xorg sorry
[04:39] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: no, it does not show up, only compizconfig-backend-gconf does
[04:39] <soreau> keithclark_: What happens when you run 'ccsm' from a terminal?
[04:39] <geremy> EruditeHermit: they were pretty much silent earlier, any other resources? I've been asking in multiple channels about this for 3 days now, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be told to shut up about it pretty quickly
[04:40] <keithclark_> soreau: "ccsm is not installed"
[04:40] <soreau> keithclark_: And does it say how to install it?
[04:40] <keithclark_> soreau: ah, universe
[04:40] <soreau> Ah yes
[04:41] <EruditeHermit> geremy: what do you want to do specifically?
[04:41] <keithclark_> soreau: ok, let me try now
[04:42] <EruditeHermit> geremy: try this http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[04:42] <soreau> keithclark_: Enable universe, then 'apt-get update' (or gui method) then 'sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager' (or use synaptic gui)
[04:42] <EruditeHermit> geremy: read up on TV out xrandr commands
[04:42] <geremy> EruditeHermit: looking for a way to get the image that would normally display on my monitor to be displayed on my tv via the svideo out on my intel 945 integrated graphics card
[04:43] <keithclark_> soreau: still does not show up.  Even after a reload
[04:43] <geremy> EruditeHermit: I've been trying those, the main problem at this point is that although I can get the output to display, it appears to roll from top to bottom, and if I switch to terminals I get rainbow colored snow
[04:43] <soreau> keithclark_: That sucks. I don't know why it wouldn't
[04:43] <keithclark_> soreau: trying cl version
[04:44] <soreau> keithclark_: It's in the repos, you just have to figure out how to install it (ccsm)
[04:44] <EruditeHermit> geremy: roll from top to bottom?
[04:44] <soreau> keithclark_: cl version?
[04:44] <crdlb> command line
[04:44] <soreau> Well finally
[04:44] <EruditeHermit> lol
[04:44] <keithclark_> soreau: It worked!  I thank you
[04:45] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: You as well.
[04:45] <soreau> Yea, np *grumble*
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> thats weird
[04:45] <geremy> EruditeHermit: you know those old film reels where if the reel wasn't up to speed you could see the black space between the frames?
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> synaptic didn't find it
[04:45] <soreau> EruditeHermit: The user didn't find it :p
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> geremy: did you add a mode at 800x600
[04:46] <keithclark_> EruditeHermit: no, synaptic did not find it!  I'm not sure why.
[04:46] <EruditeHermit> soreau: I guess less can go wrong with copy and paste
[04:46] <geremy> EruditeHermit: I added it, restarted X, no dice, why?
[04:46] <soreau> EruditeHermit: I'm not used to raw ubuntu support. I assume too much.
[04:46] <soreau> Like some weird 3rd world aol chat or sumthin
[04:47] <EruditeHermit> lol
[04:47] <keithclark_> soreau: yes, it could be the user (me)
[04:47] <soreau> Not that I've ever chatted on aol, I only can imagine
[04:47] <SyL> soreau: is there a way to see if I am connected to the Access point?
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> geremy: I really don't know. TV out with intel should work. I would advise waiting it out on #xorg. The intel folk usually are good with helping you and if it is broken, they will try to fix it if you can debug it with them
[04:48] <soreau> SyL: For net access? What does 'ping www.google.com' say?
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> geremy: TV out is one of those iffy areas with Linux though
[04:48] <keithclark_> Now, if I can just take this knowledge back to fix my 32 bit installation on my hard drive.  All would be great.
[04:49] <soreau> SyL: Also, the output of 'iwconfig' is of interest (for essid and access point)
[04:49] <SyL> soreau: checking
[04:49] <madwho> EruditeHermit, solved
[04:49] <madwho> EruditeHermit, i was using legacy keys in .fdi file
[04:50] <SyL> soreau: I don't see it associed, but all the other stuff looks ok
[04:50] <EruditeHermit> madwho: cool, where did you find solution?
[04:50] <geremy> EruditeHermit: yeah... I guess I'll just hang around. Thanks for the reading material.
[04:50] <soreau> SyL: Pastebinnit | I will bbiab
[04:50] <madwho> :) i don't remember
[04:50] <madwho> let me check the history :)
[04:50] <EruditeHermit> madwho: perhaps post in one of the forums so that others can find how to do it too.
[04:53] <madwho> EruditeHermit, i found it here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi
[04:53] <madwho> EruditeHermit, you were right it's a new xorg issue
[04:54] <madwho> EruditeHermit, thanks for the hint
[04:54] <EruditeHermit> madwho: no worries
[04:55] <CarlFK> Atheros AR242x - just activated the driver, dmesg:  ath_hal: <IP_ADDRESS> (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413);  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[04:55] <madwho> good nite
[04:55] <madwho> exit
[04:56] <CarlFK> it worked good enough with ath5k - and I had it working with madwifi, and maybe with hardy (i forget exactly what I did to make it work)
[04:57] <geremy> EruditeHermit: you wouldn't happen to know when #xorg is most active, would you? Its *totally* dead right now
[04:58] <EruditeHermit> geremy: nope sorry
[04:58]  * crdlb would guess daytime (for Europe and Eastern US)
[04:58] <EruditeHermit> geremy: try at different times of day to get people from different continents though
[05:00] <geremy> EruditeHermit: yeah... such is life I guess. I wonder what paid support goes for
[05:03] <coppro> where have my printer settings gone?
[05:10] <shirish> hi all, I've been getting issues with $ ll *.torrent
[05:10] <shirish> it shows
[05:10] <shirish> ~$ ll *.torrent
[05:10] <shirish> ls: invalid option -- '_'
[05:10] <shirish> Try `ls --help' for more information.
[05:11] <SyL> soreau: this access point is using WPA
[05:20] <mayday_jay> Anyone had any luck getting the Syntek Webcam working under Intrepid? Bus 003 Device 002: ID 174f:6a31 Syntek Web Cam - Asus A8J, F3S, F5R, VX2S, V1S
[05:23] <RAOF> mayday_jay: Yes; mine Just Works(tm)
[05:25] <mayday_jay> RAOF:  hmm...bizarre...works under Hardy....are you running a 64-bit kernel?
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes
[05:25] <RAOF> But that's unlikely to matter.
[05:26] <rww> !intrepid | mayday_jay
[05:26] <mayday_jay> Does 2.6.27 use uvcvideo now instead of stkwebcam?
[05:27] <RAOF> I don't think so; the syntek cameras _arent_ uvc, as far as I know.
[05:27] <mayday_jay> rww: I realize things might be broken...just looking to see if anyone has had a similar issue.  I've scoured the forums, etc.
[05:28] <mayday_jay> RAOF:  Reason I was asking is I've seen a few threads mentioning - modprobe uvcvideo quirks=16 - to achieve luck....tried that and stkwebcam w/o luck...
[05:29] <mayday_jay> RAOF: when you lsusb you show the same device id 174f:6a31?
[05:30] <RAOF> Nah; mine's a bit different.
[05:34] <mayday_jay> RAOF: Thanks anyhow, I'll look around upstream and see what the developers are showing in their bug tracking system....
[05:35] <SyL> soreau: ok, so I got this to work. is there a GUI interface for setting up WIFI?
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> this is interesting
[05:35] <soreau> SyL: Seems like you have your drivers working. yay
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome-session's maxing out one of my cores :\
[05:36] <soreau> SyL: nm-applet can be used, but I cannot say much about it as I use not nm-applet, but customized scripts (called from /etc/rc.local in *buntu )
[05:36] <SyL> soreau: so apt-get install nm-applet
[05:37] <soreau> SyL: I cannot help you any further. You're drivers are now working. )don't break them!(
[05:37] <wgrant> SyL: Click on the network icon in your panel.
[05:38] <Daisuke_Ido> this is insane.  has anyone else experienced this?
[05:40] <SyL> wgrant: it's Ubuntu Studio, I don't see a network panel
[05:42] <Daisuke_Ido> well restarting x took care of it.
[06:05] <DanaG> Heh, FF3.1 no longer has an address bar....
[06:05] <gaelfx> so OOo 3.0 won't be in the final release of Ibex?
[06:05] <DanaG> it has a "Search Bookmarks and History" bar.
[06:05] <DanaG> =þ
[06:05] <rski> gaelfx: no
[06:05] <DanaG> Looks really really stupid.
[06:05] <gaelfx> aw, that makes me a sad panda
[06:07] <spencer> how to get totem-plugin to use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?
[06:09] <DanaG> I mean, "Search Bookmarks and History" is not even a NOUN.
[06:09] <DanaG> Or an adjective.
[06:09] <DanaG> It's just plain wrong, in my opinion.
[06:10] <DanaG> You don't use a "Turn this to steer the car" wheel.... you use a STEERING wheel.
[06:16]  * DanaG goes off to name all his products with VERBS.
[06:16]  * DanaG types on his "Make letters appear".
[06:16] <DanaG> And stares at his "Display an image".
[06:16] <DanaG> Sounds utterly stupid.  =þ
[06:21] <DanaG> Actually, that's not quite right, either... the thing in Firefox is an imperative verb.
[06:24] <ZuckusFIll> hey so when I first installed the Intrepid release candidate my gnome panels were kinda transparent and really cool looking, after installing some update they're back to the lame regular white ones, any idea why or how to fix it?
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> I can't find anything about it
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> no one even seems to know that the new theme was different for the gnome panels
[06:25] <DanaG> Look in the changelogs of the human-theme package; they disabled the background.
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> do i find that in launchpad or something?
[06:25] <ZuckusFIll> and why did they?
[06:25] <DanaG> aptitude changelog human-theme
[06:26] <DanaG> and then google for the launchpad bug number they mention.
[06:26] <DanaG> s/they mention/it mentions/
[06:26] <DanaG> like, google for: ubuntu bug XXXXXX
[06:27] <ZuckusFIll> yeah
[06:27] <ZuckusFIll> I just found it
[06:27] <ZuckusFIll> it's because of a theme changing "bug" except I know how to change the panel if I change the theme, I want my cool panels back!
[06:28] <ZuckusFIll> where can I find that background image
[06:28] <DanaG> You can find the old version of the package on the launchpad.net page for the package, and then open it in archive-manager.
[06:29] <DanaG> I didn't actually see the cool panels; I don't use the default Human theme.
[06:30] <ZuckusFIll> hmmmm
[06:30] <ZuckusFIll> I'm having trouble finding that package at that version
[06:30] <DanaG> What version?
[06:30] <ZuckusFIll> the version that still has the background
[06:31] <DanaG> What version is that, I mean.
[06:32] <ZuckusFIll> well the newest is 0.28.5
[06:32] <ZuckusFIll> so whichever is before that I assume
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh, I have it in my apt cache.
[06:33] <DanaG> I'll put it on a web space I have.
[06:33] <ZuckusFIll> I can find the right package, but I'm struggling to find the older version
[06:34] <ZuckusFIll> and it won't let me force-version in synaptic
[06:35] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme
[06:35] <DanaG> Click the version header.
[06:35] <DanaG> Then "builds - > i386"
[06:36] <ZuckusFIll> hmmm, I wonder why I couldn't find that
[06:36] <DanaG> Then the "resulting binaries" on the right.
[06:36] <ZuckusFIll> thanks man
[06:36] <DanaG> It's rather obscure, actually.  I've had to dig around there myself sometimes.
[06:36] <DanaG> You can just open it with archive-manager and grab the panel image itself.
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> yeah
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> I got it working!
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> sweet guys
[06:38] <ZuckusFIll> this is the best IRC channel ever
[06:38] <void^> !best
[06:39] <ZuckusFIll> lol
[06:39] <ZuckusFIll> I don't think the moderator bot understood
[06:39] <ZuckusFIll> lol
[06:45] <Sebboh> Maybe it's his best attempt to make an auto reply script? ;)
[06:45] <Sebboh> ... nope.
[06:46] <billybigrigger> how can i find out what ftp package my ibex beta server is using?
[06:46] <billybigrigger> like i know port 21 is open, but what deamon is running?
[06:47] <void^> use netstat, with -p
[06:51] <billybigrigger> hrmm ok so where are proftpd's users info stored? i lost my password
[06:52] <Sebboh> netstat -anpt <-- show listening ports, too, numeric, and skip the unix socket stuff.
[06:52] <billybigrigger> the user is billysftp/ but i dont know the password, looking at /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf it says the user the deamon runs is the user proftpd
[06:54] <coloquialist1> Hi! just upgraded from Hardy to INtrepid, and display drivers are not loading properly.
[06:54] <coloquialist1> can anyone assist ?
[06:56] <dli_> coloquialist1, what video card?
[06:58] <coloquialist1> its a radeon 9600
[06:59] <coloquialist1> it seemed to be working fine using "restricted drivers" in Hardy.
[06:59] <dli_> coloquialist1, it should work with the open source radeon driver
[07:01] <dli_> coloquialist1, make sure you have the package: xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[07:03] <coloquialist1> dli_: ok,
[07:03] <elpargo> hi, I downloaded the USB image for the rc. where can I find instructions on how to run it?
[07:09] <rhkfin> elpargo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:09] <rhkfin> also check this and if possiblee, comment/confirm/something: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/290166
[07:10] <elpargo> rhkfin, oh I though that was a version the ran from the USB (same as the liveCD)
[07:11] <rhkfin> elpargo: I think you need to download the .iso cd image and process that to usb (with tools behind that link)
[07:19] <coloquialist1> dli_:The package is there, but Ubuntu is forcing me into low resolution mode
[07:19] <elpargo> rhkfin, I'm confused the link you gave me gives instructions on how to create the liveUSB from the iso, but what I have is http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img
[07:19] <dli_> coloquialist1, do you get a native resolution in command: xrandr
[07:23] <rhkfin> elpargo: huh, don't know about mobile.. But I'd think you have still use those tools to put it on usb..
[07:23] <rhkfin> just copying it there will not be enough
[07:24] <elpargo> rhkfin, yes I know it won't work.
[07:26] <elpargo> but now i know what happen. the name trick me. the download site says "Mobile USB image"
[07:26] <Coloquialist> dli_: I didn't understand what information you neededfrom xrandr
[07:26] <elpargo> "The mobile USB image allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all"
[07:27] <Coloquialist> dli_: I am just learning: windows sys admin turned ubuntu nub. so I'm trying to keep up.
[07:27] <elpargo> rhkfin, the one you are talking about is the "MID USB image" "This USB image is optimized for handheld devices with 4-7" touchscreens and limited processing power."
[07:27] <genesismachine> I've just installed 8.10 on a macbook (2,1) and the keyboard is all messed up. What used to be keys 108 and 116 are now something else - 108 is the down arrow, not sure about 116. I now have no down arrow button. However, I know that X is detecting it correctly since in the gdm login screen, the arrow works fine... So it's something in my user profile
[07:29] <genesismachine> Any ideas what it is in my user profile that could be messing things up? I deleted the contents of my .xmodmap file to no avail... Right click was mapped to right apple, and middle click was mapped to enter. Now, down arrow = right click, unless I disable the 'mouse keys' setting - in which case, down arrow does nothing. Except if I do fn-down arrow, it's still page down, so I know the key number is still mapped correc
[07:31] <rhkfin> elpargo: whatever :)
[07:31] <elpargo> rhkfin, awesome way of saying I don't know what I was talking about.
[07:32] <elpargo> anyone here knows how to get this http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-rc-mobile-i386.img into the USB to use it?
[07:33] <Coloquialist> dli_: what info should I be looking for from the xrandr command ?
[07:33] <dli_> Coloquialist, resolutions
[07:34] <rhkfin> elpargo: I still believe you have to use the tools provided here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:34] <rhkfin> anyone confirm?
[07:35] <elpargo> rhkfin, so I'll just use the .img file instead of the .iso file as input? if so then why provide this .img file?
[07:35] <Coloquialist> dli_: Screen 0: minimum 1600 x 1200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1200
[07:35] <rhkfin> elpargo: I think so, yes.
[07:36] <dli_> Coloquialist, and you want higher?
[07:36] <rhkfin> give it a try..
[07:37] <rhkfin> elpargo: it's called "mobile" because of this: This USB image is optimized for ultra-mobile PCs and netbooks with screens up to 10". You will need at least 256MB of RAM to install from this image.
[07:37] <rhkfin> and .img because .iso refers usually to a cd
[07:37] <rhkfin> I guess..
[07:38] <Coloquialist> dli_: no.. lower. This machine is a laptop. Everything is TINY!.
[07:39] <dli_> Coloquialist, randr -output LVDS --mode 1024x768
[07:39] <dli_> Coloquialist, for example
[07:40] <dli_> Coloquialist, then, you can also config in System->preferences->Screen Resolution
[07:40] <dli_> Coloquialist, it's not a driver issue, just set the resolution
[07:40] <RAOF> Coloquialist: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution would be the obivous choice for resolution settings; that way they'll be remembered across sessions.
[07:41] <elpargo> rhkfin, i'll try it, but I think the wording is wrong. "USB image" stands for something you put in your drive, the same way as CD image, if it's just optimized for "ultra-mobile PCs" it should be call USB.
[07:42] <Coloquialist> dli_: I only have the one option in resolution settings. Also: whenever I boot, I'm being told that ubuntu is forcing me to low graphics mode (don't remember the exact error). and then forced into 1600x1200.
[07:43] <rhkfin> elpargo: right, you put it on usb just like you put a cd image to a cd. You don't just copy it, it needs to be put there in a special way. It's usb & mobile because mobile devices usually don't have a cd drive..
[07:44] <rhkfin> elpargo: found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting
[07:45] <scientus> anyone have a recommended virrtual machine host?
[07:45] <rhkfin> I think it essentially does the same what the other tools do
[07:46] <elpargo> ohh there you go. that's exactly what I was looking for.
[07:46] <dli_> Coloquialist, does xrandr work?
[07:46] <elpargo> scientus, host as in webhost or which server to use as host when you are installing it?
[07:47] <Coloquialist> dli_: when I pasted  "xrandr -output LVDS --mode 1024x768" into the console, I got the help display
[07:47] <elpargo> rhkfin, ok so it seems I do have the wrong file. as I don't have a "mobile" device.
[07:48] <rhkfin> elpargo: in that case yes
[07:49] <scientus> web host that offers virtual machines root access
[07:49] <elpargo> scientus, I do but this isn't really the channel for that.
[07:51] <beilabs> Hey guys, just updated to intrepid, now gconfd is now taking up 100% of my CPU....any ideas what I could do?
[07:51] <Coloquialist>  dli_: I see.. you missed a - .. now: "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768" does seem to work no issues (returns with no errors or help text), but does not change the resolution.
[07:51] <beilabs> when I try and kill gconfd then it just restarts straight away
[07:51] <dli_> Coloquialist, so your resolution is indeed 1024x768
[07:52] <dli_> Coloquialist, running xrandr without parameter would confirm this
[07:53] <Coloquialist> when I run xrandr without parameters, I get:  randr -output LVDS --mode 1024x768, even after running "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768"
[07:53] <Coloquialist> dli: uhh ..that came out wrong.
[07:53] <vega> Coloquialist: just put the output in pastebin.com ..
[07:55] <ZuckusFIll> hey guys, my window borders flicker between there and just whiteness as my move my mouse around them, has anyone seen that before?
[07:55] <ZuckusFIll> I'm on a 7600GT
[07:56] <ZuckusFIll> I've seen it before back in Gutsy
[07:56] <ZuckusFIll> but I never fixed it
[07:56] <ZuckusFIll> I'd hate to live with this for another 6 months
[07:56] <alanbshepard77> are there any known bugs for 8.10 involving a laptop touchpad? At the moment using a completely updated 8.10 RC install with a touchpad is a miserable experience.
[07:57] <ZuckusFIll> if I put my mouse on the window border sometimes it's as if the window border just turns white
[07:57] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: I largely maintain touchpad stuff now. What is your issue?
[07:58] <Coloquialist> dli_: http://pastebin.com/m66e397f4 I guess thats better than
[07:58] <Coloquialist> vega: thx for etiquette help.
[08:00] <ZuckusFIll> anybody seen that?
[08:00] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: when using a/the touchpad the mouse the windows jump around, scroll erratically and the system switches between desktops at it's own will, seemingly. None of the previously mentioned issues occur when using a mouse.
[08:00] <dli_> Coloquialist, I think the driver fails in identifying LVDS, sounds like a driver issue here
[08:01] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: You're sure that you're not using a region of the touchpad intended for scrolling?
[08:01] <Coloquialist> dli_: Ok... so what is my next step?  bug report? Find new driver ? regress to Hardy ?
[08:01] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: mouse the windows jump around = the cursor jumps around and moves windows along with it. Sorry. To answer your question no I'm not using a region of the touchpad devoted to scrolling.
[08:02] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, which type of laptop and touchpad is it?
[08:02] <dli_> Coloquialist, xrandr --screen 0 --mode 1024x768
[08:02] <wgrant> For touchpad type, is it ALPS, Synaptics, or something else that uses the -synaptics driver?
[08:02] <alanbshepard77> I have a sony vaio model PCG-71ml version VGN-FS980
[08:03] <BUGabundo_work> good morning everyone
[08:03]  * BUGabundo_work waves at wgrant
[08:03] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: i believe the touchpad is an electrostatic type.
[08:04] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Not quite what I was looking for - find it in the output of 'xinput list', and tell me what it is called.
[08:04] <wgrant> Hi BUGabundo_work.
[08:04] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: sorry, one second on that info.
[08:04] <Coloquialist> dli_: command failed.
[08:04] <VSpike> ZuckusFIll: have you tried selecting a different theme, preferably one using a different engine?
[08:05] <VSpike> ZuckusFIll: I've seen some strange stuff before with a particular theme with compiz + nvidia that was fixed by switching theme
[08:05] <VSpike> ZuckusFIll: not ideal, i know but could save your sanity :)
[08:05]  * BUGabundo_work humm I can already feel the smell of the new jaunty chainlogs!
[08:05] <ZuckusFIll> well, darkroom still did it, but let me try some others
[08:05] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint"	id=4	[XExtensionPointer]     "PS/2 Mouse"	id=5	[XExtensionPointer]
[08:06] <wgrant> OK, so it's an ALPS.
[08:06] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Enable SHMConfig (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig), fire up 'synclient -m 10' and do so some stuff on the touchpad for a few seconds.
[08:06] <wgrant> Then pastebin the output and give me the link.
[08:06] <dli_> Coloquialist, try manually xorg.conf: Ctl-Alt-F1, stop X by sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop; sudo X -configure
[08:06] <wgrant> !pastebin
[08:07] <wgrant> dli_: Why?
[08:07] <dli_> Coloquialist, I think the new driver version failed in reading your display modes
[08:07] <wgrant> X -configure is very rarely a good idea.
[08:08] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: ok, will do.
[08:08] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Thanks.
[08:10] <ZuckusFIll> well... glossy doesn't do it, but it also really doesn't fit
[08:11] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: the page you linked to says I must log out and then back in for the changes to take place in enabling shmconfig so I'll be right back.
[08:11] <Coloquialist> dli_: just to be clear the "stop;" in your text means "end of cmd line1, begin 2nd command" right ?
[08:11] <dli_> Coloquialist, Ctl-alt-f1 to console, login to stop X
[08:12] <ZuckusFIll> oh wait, All i had to do was change the window border to glossy! yay!
[08:12] <dli_> Coloquialist, and try X -configure from there
[08:12] <ZuckusFIll> man 2 for 2, you guys are kicking butt in here today!
[08:12] <noam> i'm on kubuntu 8.10, and audio in flash doesn't work.
[08:12] <cloud-ieee> Has anyone here done a Ubuntu network install?
[08:12] <Iejoor> Will kubuntu and ubuntu be released simultanuously?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:13] <wgrant> They always are
[08:13] <noam> will audio in flash in firefox work on kubuntu when it's released?
[08:13] <wgrant> dli_: Why do you recommend X -configure? That has not been recommended for a very long time.
[08:15] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: I followed the instructions on the linked page to enable shmconfig but it's not working, any advice on that front?
[08:16] <mntnpngn> just wondering which version of the kernel is 2.6.27-7-server based on?   is it just 2.6.27 ?
[08:16] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: What do you mean not working?
[08:17] <wgrant> mntnpngn: From the second-last changelog entry:
[08:17] <wgrant>   * Linux <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:17] <mntnpngn> ahh ok
[08:17] <mntnpngn> thanks
[08:17] <alanbshepard77> when I type this  "synclient -m 10" into a terminal I get this response "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[08:18] <coloquialist> dli: and.. blank screen
[08:18] <dli_> coloquialist, what did you do?
[08:19] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Erm... xinput list-props "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint"
[08:19] <ZuckusFIll> noam, what audio card do you have?
[08:19] <ZuckusFIll> noam: does audio work in other applications?
[08:19] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: pastebin the output?
[08:19] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Please.
[08:20] <coloquialist> ctl+alt+F1, logged ito the CLI, and entered the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop;" and " sudo X -configure" as you requested
[08:20] <wgrant> Why are you running X -configure?
[08:20] <wgrant> I've asked a few times now.
[08:20] <wgrant> It's almost never the right thing to do.
[08:21] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63542/
[08:21] <dli_> coloquialist, yes, now edit /root/xorg.conf.new
[08:22] <coloquialist> dli_: not to sound rude.. but how? I had to log into IRC frrom my media server sitting next to me. My laptop is still sitting at a completely blank screen.
[08:24] <dli_> coloquialist, the easiest would be install openssh-server on the laptop, it's much easier to test from ssh login
[08:25] <wgrant> It's also somewhat easier and better to *use the proper configuration method*.
[08:28] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: any ideas as to what's wrong if anything?
[08:28] <coloquialist> dli_: Ok.. Just so I'm on the same page.. Your requesting that I reboot the laptop, get into the Ubuntu GUI, grab the OPEN SSH package configure the device so it can be SSHd into, SSH into the device, kill Gnome display manager using /etc/init.d/gdm stop; and then enter the X -configure command before we can proceed?
[08:28] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, so that's sort of working. You put the appropriate file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy?
[08:29] <wgrant> coloquialist: What is the problem that you are encountering?
[08:29] <dli_> coloquialist, yes, and you have to edit the xorg.conf.new file, since the driver failed in some auto-detecting
[08:29] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: according to the linked page yes.
[08:30] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Hrmmm. Perhaps reboot - HAL might not have picked it up.
[08:30] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: will do, brb.
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: do you know where I can find leann?
[08:31] <ArShAm> hi all
[08:31] <ArShAm> I recently downloaded the intrepid alternate CD
[08:32] <itai_michaelson> hi, what kind of upgrade is it from beta to stable? just a few packages?
[08:32] <ArShAm> it wants to remove 467 of my packages, or it says it has to get almost 1.4 Gb of data
[08:32] <ArShAm> as soon as I have a very slow connection , I don't need the either ways
[08:32] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: ogasawara in #ubuntu-bugs.
[08:32] <ZuckusFIll> use sneaker-net with apt-on-cd
[08:33] <wgrant> itai_michaelson: RC to stable is fairly small, but beta could have hundreds of upgrades.
[08:33] <ArShAm> how can I do the upgrade without fetching the whole upgrades nor removing the current stuff?
[08:33] <wgrant> ArShAm: You probably can't.
[08:33] <itai_michaelson> wgrant, i meant RC ,downloaded yesterday
[08:34] <wgrant> itai_michaelson: Ah, not too huge an upgrade, then.
[08:34] <itai_michaelson> wgrant, thanks
[08:35] <wgrant> I can't give you anything too exact, sorry.
[08:35] <coloquialist> wgrant: FYI, upgrade from hardy to intrepid, hardy used restricted drivers, intrepid now forcing me to low resolution mode. xrandr communicating only one resolution, and no ability to set resolutions in Resolutionmanager. Laptp using mobile radeon 9600
[08:35] <alanbshepard77> wgrant" ok it's working. Anything specific you'd like to capture or just random movement will be enough?
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> thanks wgrant
[08:36] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Nothing in particular, just normal movement.
[08:37] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: np
[08:39] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: pastbin the whole thing? Should I have output to a file instead of letting it scroll down the terminal window?
[08:40] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: You could output it to a file, and perhaps run it with -m 100 instead.
[08:40] <wgrant> That will reduce the volume of data by an order of magnituded.
[08:40] <wgrant> -d
[08:40] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: ok
[08:40] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: add the -d option?
[08:41] <wgrant> -d?
[08:41] <wgrant> I wasn't aware it took -d
[08:42] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: I said that because of this  -->  (03:40:31 AM) wgrant: -d               you posted that after you asked me to make it -m 100
[08:42] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Ah, sorry, I meant "minus the 'd'", as I had an extra 'd' on the end of 'magnitude'
[08:43] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: oh ok.
[08:45] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: the output -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63547/ unfortunately the touchpad didn't act as crazy when collecting the data as it normally does.
[08:45] <coloquialist> dli_: ok.. SSH server installed, ssh to the device, kill gnome window manager and... the laptop becomes unpingable
[08:46] <dli_> coloquialist, disable gdm from being started, update-rc.d -f gdm remove; reboot
[08:46] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Hmm, there's nothing too insane about that.
[08:49] <coloquialist> dli_: rebooting now. I'm assuming I shouldn't be getting a window manager when it boots ?
[08:49] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: yea things never went crazy when collecting the data. But a lot of the time windows scroll at random......
[08:50] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: , things zoom in and out at will, the active desktop switches, other windows get selected, etc....  when/while it's happening the computer becomes unusable.
[08:50] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Reminds me of something that used to happen on a laptop I had a bit over a decade ago... does it only happen on Intrepid?
[08:50] <wgrant> As that turned out to be a hardware fault.
[08:51] <coloquialist> dli_:system rebooted. in the CLI. where to now ?
[08:53] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: yea everything worked/works fine with hardy but not with intrepid.
[08:54] <dli_> coloquialist, X -configure
[08:54] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Grmph. A synclient trace for when it is going crazy would be useful
[08:54] <wgrant> Touchpads can be very... touchy.
[08:54] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: right now I can go into windows or even the 7.10 release of ubuntu and everything works fine. I only have problems with 8.10RC.
[08:55] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, there goes the easy way out :(
[08:55]  * wgrant likes being able to blame things on hardware.
[08:55] <coloquialist> dli_: uhh.. same thing.. laptop screen goes blank. Laptop unping-able
[08:55] <hackel> The bluetooth-alsa package was removed from Intrepid.  Is there a replacement?  Why was it removed?
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: bah I've been testing hibernation.,...
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> that's a real mess
[08:55] <wgrant> BUGabundo_work: Why?
[08:56] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: At first I thought it was a newly implemented feature that I needed to get used to, then I started thinking oh I don't want to get used to this, my comp is crazy!
[08:57] <wgrant> hackel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499052
[08:57] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: would a longer capture be helpful?
[08:57] <wgrant> hackel: It seems that you want bluez-audio
[08:57] <hackel> wgrant, ah, thanks. :)  I was even searching Debian's BTS but didn't manage to find that one.
[08:58] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: I only need it for the time when it's going crazy.
[08:58] <hackel> wgrant, but bluez-audio was removed from Intrepid also!
[08:58] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: I'll start the capture and paste the part relevant to when it starts acting weird.
[08:59] <wgrant> hackel: It was NBS... let's see what I can find out.
[08:59] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: Sure.
[08:59] <coloquialist> @DLI_: uhh,,, screen goes blank, , but when I go to Ctrl+Alt+1 it brings me back to the same CLI I just left
[08:59] <wgrant> hackel: bluez-alsa, perhaps.
[09:00] <dli_> coloquialist, you can do X thing from ssh loging
[09:00] <dli_> coloquialist, now, you need to specify monitor and screen sections
[09:01] <wgrant> What is so special about coloquialist's hardware configuration that requires the obsolete manual configuration?
[09:02] <hackel> wgrant, yeah, I'm not certain and I don't have my hardware here to test if it's working, but I'll keep playing with it.  Thanks.
[09:02] <coloquialist> dli_: that would work, 'cept when I kill the window manager,  it killes my wifi link.
[09:03] <coloquialist> do I really now need to bring my laptop across the house, so I can SSH to it ?
[09:03] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: GOT IT! it just went freakin nuts. I was browsing the web and it clicked on random stuff and then just started clocing windows and scrolling pages. To answer the obvious question, yes it acts the same with other programs not just firefox.
[09:04] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: OK, let's see that trace!
[09:04] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: clocing = closing.
[09:05] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63553/
[09:05] <wgrant> alanbshepard77: At which stage did it go crazy?
[09:06] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: The real crazy part was real close to the time 190.384
[09:07] <coloquialist> @DLI_: allright.. laptop now across house, hardwired to router. not pulling DHCP for some reason. how do I grant it a static via CLI ?
[09:07] <coloquialist> \w coloquialist stuff
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: because it aint working, and I'm triaging it now!
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> oh nice, now my mouse doesnt work
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> I guess I found what's making it fail.... usb ?
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> freezer test failed
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> now to test devices
[09:10] <dli_> coloquialist, ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <dli_> coloquialist, ifconfig eth0 up
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> kernel lock... how nice
[09:11] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: anything abnormal that you notice so far?
[09:12] <Prometheus7777> hi, have ubuntu intrepid rc and i use Quanta in gnome and i can't find kio package that allow me to use sftp in quanta? Which package should i install?
[09:12] <coloquialist> dli_: ssh connection refused
[09:14] <skwashd> anyone been finding that evolution is crashing regularly, EDS is hanging a lot more frequently and evo even segfaulting?
[09:15] <skwashd> running 2.24.1-0ubuntu2 here
[09:16] <alanbshepard77> sorry for this question but does anyone else think the default background looks like a blood stained piece of leather and is it supposed to be exactly that?
[09:16] <coloquialist> dli_: ok .. so SSH is no go unless we bring up the ssh server under the CLI.
[09:17] <coloquialist> alanbshepard777: uhh.. I see a vaguely stylized image of an ibex (atleast I assume thats what the horsey thing is)
[09:17] <skwashd> alanbshepard77: i think it looks rather ye olde worlde ... but is pretty cool
[09:17] <skwashd> it grew on me more over the first day ... the herron ended up annoying me even tho i really like it when i first saw it
[09:18] <skwashd> but i do think it looks more like a bird than an ibex
[09:19] <alanbshepard77> lol ah I see it now, to me the horns looked like a ring left by condensation on a cup without a coaster.
[09:21] <ronny> hi
[09:21] <alanbshepard77> ronny: Hi.
[09:21] <coloquialist> dli you there ?
[09:21] <ronny> anyone knows how to get pulseaudio to work with xfce on intrepid?
[09:21] <ronny> its kinda borked
[09:22] <ronny> no sound, no mixer, and alsamixer refuses to work
[09:22] <skwashd> ronny: the number of things broken seems to increase with each update :(
[09:23] <coloquialist> it Appears my anonymous support buddy has ditched me with a laptop that is essentially bricked for my skill level.
[09:24] <ronny> skwashd: thats unfortunate
[09:24] <coloquialist> I would enter something sarcastic here, but I guess that wouldn't do anything. Night all. Gluck.
[09:25] <ronny> skwashd: we planned to hold an linux install party with intrepid on  Nov 26
[09:25] <skwashd> ronny: thing were looking good with intrepid about 2-3 weeks ago ... but each time i update more stuff breaks
[09:25] <skwashd> hardy was worse tho
[09:26] <skwashd> ronny: cool ... lets hope there is a rush of fixes
[09:27] <dustofdust> hi :)
[09:27] <dustofdust> i have a problem with 8.10rc, i have a msi kt3 with geforce2mx and a crt monitor which can do 1280*1024 @100hz. at install i get 1920 or so, i dont get an option with 1280*1024@100hz
[09:28] <BUGabundo_work> wgrant: can you give me some pointers on bug 290191
[09:29] <dustofdust> for people who want to switch from windows to ubuntu, how can they do a backup of all their windows stuff, on for example an external usb harddisk. any programs on board?
[09:30] <BUGabundo_work> dustofdust: I would use clonezilla
[09:30] <BUGabundo_work> I use for everything that is backup related
[09:32] <dustofdust> thanks looks good, do you have any idea how i can find out problems with an external usb hd. im pretty sur it can transfer quicker than 700kb/s
[09:38] <[tla]> when trying to upgrade to intrepid from hardy why is download of the *ntfs-3g* files returning "forbidden"? Thx
[09:39] <nickbooker> Where are the ACPI scripts now?  I'm informed that /etc/acpi/ scripts are now deprecated.
[09:44] <vega> [tla]: sounds like repository problems.. try again after some time
[09:45] <zbyszek> hi i have a seriour roblem with 8,10 while booting the system i get a message "starting NFS kernel deamon" and nothing else
[09:45] <zbyszek> no login screen
[09:45] <alanbshepard77> wgrant: you still there?
[09:45] <zbyszek> do you know this problem?
[09:46] <[tla]> vega: ok.  just removed the offending packages and the upgrade is going ok
[09:48] <alanbshepard77> shouldn't enabling the cube in compiz automatically set your number of desktops to four?
[09:48] <jonaskoelker> hi all.  I'm trying to apt-get upgrade to procps=1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2 (from s/2$/1/).  I get "Failed to fetch http://localhost:3142/mirrors.dk.telia.net/ubuntu/pool/main/p/procps/procps_3.2.7-9ubuntu2_i386.deb  Size mismatch"; my one /var/lib/apt/lists/*telia*intrepid_main_binary* says procps has size 225984.  When I download procps through http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/procps/download from telias mirror, I also get 225984 octets.  What give
[09:50] <jonaskoelker> nvm... it's probably apt-cacher-ng screwing up (listening on localhost:3142), as it works when I don't use it
[09:52] <alanbshepard77> having said that how do I set my number of desktops to four?
[09:53] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: wmctrl -n 4
[09:54] <jonaskoelker> that sets it transiently
[09:54] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker:  Thanks.
[09:56] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: didn't work, does it require a logout?
[09:57] <zbyszek> hi can anyone help me? i cannot access my PC
[09:58] <alanbshepard77> zbyszek: can you be more specific? What exactly is the problem? What led up to you not being able to access your PC?
[09:58] <dustofdust> any idea why an external usb hd is slow at 700kb/s with 8.10rc?
[09:58] <zbyszek> i alanbshepard77 i installed 8.10 and now when i try to boot the system, it hangs on "Starting NTP server ntpd"
[09:58] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: I didn't see you were talking about compiz, sorry
[10:00] <alanbshepard77> zbyszek: sorry that problem is beyond my skill level (most likely) but someone else should be able to help you. The more info you can give when requesting help the better. ;)
[10:00] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: ccsm -> general -> desktop size
[10:00] <Almindor> any idea why disk activity is so crippling ?
[10:01] <Almindor> I noticed this since 8.04 or so, whenever there was disk activity (minimal cpu) everything goes to hell (including graphical stuff already loaded/cached)
[10:01] <jonaskoelker> zbyszek: do you have anything in /etc/init.d/* | grep ntp?
[10:01] <jonaskoelker> (that'd be the same as /etc/init.d/*ntp*)
[10:01] <definitely> Hello i am one problem. I am using AMD64 version of Intrepid Ibex. When i try to play music with any player i get something like distrubs  in sound always.
[10:02] <definitely> i have one problem''
[10:02] <zbyszek> jonaskoelker well i can do nothing now
[10:02] <jonaskoelker> definitely: for which values of "any player"?
[10:02] <zbyszek> even acces commnd line
[10:02] <jonaskoelker> zbyszek: boot into single user mode
 Bashee, rhythmbox
[10:02] <zbyszek> i tried befre with recovery mode
[10:02] <zbyszek> and it succeded
[10:02] <zbyszek> but i think there was something wrong with xrg
 Also Totem
[10:03] <zbyszek> cos i couldnt use mouse
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> nevermind that, I only want you to use it to hack the ntp problem
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> definitely: try mplayer.  Does banshee use totem?
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> (I don't know banshee)
[10:03] <jonaskoelker> sorry, s/totem/gstreamer
[10:04] <jonaskoelker> looking at its dependencies, that would suggest so
[10:04] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker:  Thanks that did it.
[10:04] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: np :)
 ok installing mplayer.
[10:05] <jonaskoelker> definitely: I think it's a bug in gstreamerd -- banshee, rythmbox and totem all use the same code to turn mp3s into .wav'ish data that's sent to the sound card.  mplayer uses something different.
[10:05] <definitely> What uses Exaile ?
[10:06] <definitely> I didint tryed exaile but it's also my favotire music player
[10:06] <elmargol> try totem-xine
[10:06] <jonaskoelker> definitely: run "apt-cache show exaile | grep Depends:", see how gstreamer occurs
[10:07] <jonaskoelker> elmargol: what, something with a gui??  ;)
[10:07] <elmargol> jonaskoelker: the dark age is over
[10:08] <Almindor> btw. what about the network manager?
[10:08] <Almindor> it disapeared from my panel and I have no visual network configure tool
[10:08] <Almindor> (not that it worked...)
[10:08] <definitely> jonaskoelker: Same with mplayer
[10:08] <Almindor> (I can add an applet which looks like it but it's just the watch thing)
[10:09] <jonaskoelker> definitely: damn.  Try vlc and totem-xine, just in case
[10:10] <jonaskoelker> definitely: which kernel are you running?  2.6.27-*?  Try running older ones, just in case it's an alsa or driver issue...
[10:10] <definitely> how to check wich i am using
[10:10] <definitely>  ?
[10:10] <jonaskoelker> definitely: $ uname -r
[10:10] <definitely> 2.6.27-7-generic
[10:11] <definitely> xine gives the same..
[10:11] <jonaskoelker> bad xine :(
[10:11] <jonaskoelker> try an older kernel
[10:12] <definitely> first i need to finish update. As i see some updates are here.
[10:12] <definitely> :]
[10:12] <jonaskoelker> :)
[10:15] <alanbshepard77> is there anything like btnx for intrepid?
[10:15] <victim[v]> Hi, how can I enable screen resolutions greater than 640 by 480? glxinfo - http://paste.ubuntu.com/63571/  xorg - http://paste.ubuntu.com/63572/
[10:15] <lup0> can anyone tell if there is a channel for boot optimization in ubuntu?
[10:19] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: ok that was only a half fix for compiz. The setting for number of desktops was greyed out so I adjusted the horizontal and vertical virtual desktop settings. That gave me a grid of desktops and the cube somehow worked but it slowed my system to a crawl.
[10:20] <jonaskoelker> interesting...
[10:20] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: The cube worked great with hardy. I did have to use gconf-editor to enable 4 desktops but that's greyed out as well.
[10:20] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: greyed out in intrepid in both places, just clarifying.
[10:21] <jonaskoelker> do you need four desktops for anything in particular, or is four workspaces equivalent? [if it's up to speed, of course]
[10:22] <Almindor> oh great work on that driver AMD..
[10:22] <Almindor> now fullscreen/gl doesn't work right
 yeah it is smth with alsa, in sound preferences when i push test i get the same distrubs
[10:22] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: anything that allows me to have several sets of workspaces/desktops is acceptable to me so I can multitask. Letting me use them with the cube of compiz was just a bonus. I'm just wondering why it's not working anymore.
[10:23] <Almindor> is there a way to use the free radeon driver?
[10:23] <jonaskoelker> definitely: do you have good sound on older kernels?
[10:23] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: ... as of course it should :)
[10:23] <definitely> Dunno its new pc, and new ubuntu here
[10:23] <definitely> :D
[10:23] <crdlb> alanbshepard77: number_of_desktops has been disabled by ubuntu since it's never a good idea to use it
[10:24] <crdlb> I can't imagine why viewports would be particularly slow though
[10:24] <jonaskoelker> crdlb: why are desktops a bad idea to use?
[10:24] <crdlb> because compiz doesn't use them
[10:25] <crdlb> every plugin is designed for viewports, desktops supports is only there for completeness
[10:26] <crdlb> and the ubuntu people have apparently realized that completeness is not always a good thing :)
[10:26] <alanbshepard77> crdlb: Thanks for the info.
[10:27] <alanbshepard77> I guess I won't be using the desktop cube anymore. To get it to work I needed to have 4 horizontal and 4 virtual desktops for a total of 16 :-o
[10:27] <crdlb> ?
[10:27] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: that sounds strange... how have you found that out?
[10:28] <crdlb> that doesn't make any sense; if you did that, the desktops would only be accessible via the pager, since nothing in compiz will let you switch them
[10:28] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker:   CCSM -> General -> Desktop size
[10:30] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: CCSM -> General -> Desktop size  gives me three options, number of desktops is disabled though. but I did find that if I set both of the other options to 4 each (16 total) the desk cube worked as advertised (like it did with hardy)
[10:30] <jonaskoelker> o_O
[10:30] <crdlb> it will also work if you set vertical to 1
[10:30] <crdlb> vertical is only really usable with Wall
[10:30] <crdlb> (but you can always access them with Expo)
 same problem with older kernel
[10:32] <alanbshepard77> crdlb: lol duh :::::facepalm::::::  vertical to 1 does work also
[10:32] <alanbshepard77> crdlb:  I'm going to be in the corner if anyone needs me.
[10:33] <jonaskoelker> definitely: did someone pee or your sound card? ;)
[10:33] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: I love corners.   Everything is Intel or geforce
[10:35] <definitely> ;D
[10:36] <jonaskoelker> no yellow liquids from girly bits either?
[10:36] <alanbshepard77> geforce or peeforce?
[10:36] <definitely> not funny.
[10:36] <definitely> In windows my sound works ok
[10:36] <jonaskoelker> alanbshepard77: isn't peeforce a versioning system? ;)
[10:36] <definitely> :S
[10:37] <alanbshepard77> jonaskoelker: In some respects ;)
[10:37] <jonaskoelker> okay, so we can assume the hardware works
[10:37] <definitely> in btw in older kerneli was gettings sound beeeeep till i logged into desktop
[10:38] <definitely> getting''
[10:38] <alanbshepard77> definitely: Maybe your hardware requires restricted drivers. i'd love to help you but I'm not familiar with your setup so some other knowledgeable gent will have to do it.
[10:39] <definitely> or ubuntu just hates me lol
[10:39] <definitely> ;D
[10:39] <jonaskoelker> could be
[10:39] <definitely> In btw motherboard: Intel G31
[10:39] <jonaskoelker> the betas really hate a lot of people ;)
[10:39] <definitely> It is RC not  beta :P
[10:40] <alanbshepard77> yea and I'm one of "those" people
[10:40] <OxDeadC0de> I downloaded kubuntu metapackages from the regular gnome II, now when I start kde  - Guidance power manager and nm-applet keep starting, I can't figure out where to disable them in favor of the kde versions that are running too, any ideas?
[10:40] <jonaskoelker> s/beta/rc/
[10:41] <definitely> It's discrimination of my hardware lol.
[10:41] <definitely> :D
[10:44] <definitely> How can i check alsa version
[10:44] <definitely>  ?
[10:44]  * jonaskoelker punts
[10:45] <OxDeadC0de> alsamixer -v ?
[10:46] <definitely> thnx hmm
[10:47] <faileas> i've got a IBM r61 which i am trying to get bluetooth working for on kubuntu ibex. i can't seem to find the name of the adaptor and kbluetooth4 seems to 'run' but isn't visible. any ideas on what i can do?
[10:49] <definitely> low
[10:49] <definitely> resolved problem.
[10:49] <definitely> lol'' ;D
[10:50] <definitely>  <jonaskoelker>: This is problem when i set 100% sound in volume controler lol
[10:51] <jonaskoelker> ^_^
[10:51] <definitely> Now ubuntu loves me xD
[10:51] <alanbshepard77> definitely: glad it's working for you, sorry I was of no help.
[10:51] <void^> faileas: fwiw, i have a r61 with broadcom bluetooth and it works, not using kde though.
[10:52] <faileas> void^: well i don't even know whats the bluetooth adaptor ;p
 np ;]
[10:52] <jonaskoelker> sometimes it's the simplest of things :]
[10:52] <faileas> there's a pan0 listed.. but it seems to be disabled
[10:53] <faileas> void^: i don't mind installing another DE for this. its better than needing to reboot to windows just for that ><
[10:53] <alanbshepard77> anyone know of a way to make use of my mouse's extra buttons using intrepid? btnx that I used with hardy isn't working.
[10:53] <definitely> Gnome is mother of Linux.  Now its good cond..  Computers is Linux. If you use windows,  to use them not computer.  :DD
[10:58]  * faileas loves and hates bluetooth ;p
[10:59] <alanbshepard77> faileas: I feel the same way but my hatred for bluetooth was caused by sparkfun.com
[10:59] <faileas> lol
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> definitely: where are you from?
[11:00] <definitely> Lithuanian ;D
[11:00] <faileas> alanbshepard77: well i hate it cause it dosen't awlays work and its quirky as **** when it does. i like it cause it makes my phone useful ;p
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> ah
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> cool
[11:00] <definitely> faileas: :DD
[11:00] <mnemoc> definitely: labas! :p
[11:00] <definitely> menmoc: ;DD
[11:00] <jonaskoelker> now I know twice as many lithuanians as before
[11:00] <alanbshepard77> lol
[11:00]  * mnemoc too
[11:01] <definitely> mnemoc: not lithuanian ?
[11:01] <alanbshepard77>  lithuanians rock
[11:01] <definitely> Totaly no :D
[11:02] <faileas> i hate it right now. since it dosen't work ;p
[11:02] <OxDeadC0de> Anyone know how to prevent nm-applet and guidance-power-manager from starting in kde sessions?
[11:02] <mnemoc> definitely: nope, but a friend is
[11:02] <definitely> menmoc: Hehe :) Lithuanians are everyone. A bit like Chuck Norris xDD
[11:02] <definitely> are everywhere'' ;D
[11:03] <mnemoc> definitely: like diseases? *G*
[11:04] <alanbshepard77>  lithuanians have to be cool, they use Linux, apparently.
[11:04] <definitely> Where are you from :) ?
[11:05] <alanbshepard77> The United States Of Retardation (America).
[11:05] <definitely> Bush owns ya face. :D
[11:05] <alanbshepard77> Yea but not for long
[11:06] <rski> there will be a pensionere running the country instead
[11:06] <definitely> ;DD
[11:06] <faileas> naw. bush is the reason crossover is free for a day ;p
[11:06] <mnemoc> http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/
[11:06] <jonaskoelker> lol, USoR
[11:07] <mnemoc> thanks bush!
[11:07] <alanbshepard77> I'll vote for whoever promises to make Linux (Ubuntu Linux to be specific) the national OS with fines and the death penalty for whoever doesn't adopt it.
[11:07] <definitely> ;D
[11:07] <mnemoc> alanbshepard77: biden is pro-ms and pro-drm :(
[11:07] <jonaskoelker> :\
[11:07] <definitely> Funny here ;D
[11:08] <alanbshepard77> mnemoc: :-o Aw and I thought he was of sound mind.
[11:08] <definitely> Fuckin intel doesnt let me to tune up Q6600 even to 2.5 Ghz, resets it automatically ;D
[11:09] <alanbshepard77> Anyone who will be voting needs to write in Tux for their presidential nominee.
[11:10] <definitely> In btw, how many days here is till Ubuntu Intrepid full ?
[11:10] <alanbshepard77> I think it will be out the 30th
[11:11] <mnemoc> alanbshepard77: http://www.linux.com/feature/148436
[11:11] <definitely> I ordered cd, hope they will send AMD64 xD
[11:11] <mnemoc> "Linux.com's guide to the 2008 US presidential candidates"
[11:11] <rski> !release
[11:12] <Almindor> flash is freezing again :(
[11:12] <rski> ofcourse it does, we can't fix it =(
[11:12] <definitely> Hmm is there problem for everyone or just me. I am not able to see avatars in skype ?
[11:12] <mnemoc> flash10 sucks!
[11:13] <Almindor> rski, em.. it didn't on 8.04
[11:13] <Almindor> rski, I had flash 10 there too and it worked flawlessly
[11:13] <Almindor> pulseaudio disabled on both too
[11:13]  * Almindor thinks it's the crappy AMD driver
[11:13] <Almindor> I can't revert to 8.8 tho, the module doesn't compile with .27 :(
[11:14] <mnemoc> http://osnews.com/story/20443/Ubuntu_7_04_to_8_10_Benchmarks_Is_Ubuntu_Getting_Slower_
[11:14] <Almindor> yes it is getting slower, old news tho
[11:14] <rski> link to phoronix.com instead mnemoc
[11:14] <rski> no need for sub-site spam =)
[11:14] <mnemoc> rski: :)
[11:14] <mnemoc> no more links, ok
[11:15] <definitely> It isnt slower at all i think.
[11:15] <Seeker`> I get kernel panics when I try to run 8.10 RC (kernel panics shortly after X starts, cant get far enough to actually find out what is wrong) - is this a known issue?
[11:15] <definitely> :/
[11:15] <mnemoc> rski: I tend to point to subsites as they provide summaries :p
[11:16] <Almindor> I'm kind of disapointed in 8.10
[11:16] <Almindor> 1. network manager is crap
[11:16] <Almindor> 2. latest ati driver is semi-broken on 64bit and there's no way to use older ones
[11:16] <Almindor> 3. my boot splash is gone ?
[11:17] <definitely> everything is ok for me. Intel and Geforce rules. ;D
[11:17] <Almindor> and it seems to me that the whole disk freeze is getting worse, but it might be just my imagination
[11:19] <slestakWM> nm is giving me probs with pptp + 0.7
[11:19] <slestakWM> theres a bug open on it, just saying me too
[11:19] <alanbshepard77> during my install using the 8.10 alt CD I said yes to the option of encrypting my Home dir using a passphrase. Why am I never asked for the passphrase I provided? My home dir is wide open.
[11:23] <definitely> for me everything is ok umm
[11:23] <Almindor> definitely, try something disk-crunching like transmission with incomplete torrent :)
[11:24] <Almindor> definitely, abysmal IO perf. which ruins non-related programs (even already loaded ones)
[11:24] <definitely> Transmission sux at all. :)
[11:24] <Almindor> one program has no right to ruin the fun for all the others, something's wrong
[11:24] <xxploit> i always replace it with deluge
[11:24] <Almindor> either CFS, IO-S, both or some driver but I noticed this since 8.04 or so
[11:24] <definitely> Me too Deluge rules. :)
[11:24] <Almindor> any higher disk activity freezes everything else pretty much
[11:25] <punzada> deluge's project has gotten so good lately
[11:25] <punzada> the daemon service and such now
[11:25] <punzada> is great :)
[11:25] <definitely> Yeah, but it's still only older version in repos.
[11:25] <definitely> 0.5x as i remember...
[11:25] <punzada> well yeah but, repos are rarely newest packages
[11:30] <jonaskoelker> I'm out.  You kids play nice together now, y'hear? :)
[11:31] <slestakWM> yeah, right
[11:34] <arsham1> hi
[11:35] <arsham1> I upgraded to intrepid (kubuntu) and now I cannot login into KDE4 , it says the ksmserver has crashed
[11:36] <joaopinto> arsham1, upgrade or clean install ?
[11:36] <arsham1> upgrade from alternate CD
[11:37] <arsham1> and now I am in shell, I don't have any desktop environment , and my connection is so slow to download more stuff
[11:38] <dr_willis> arsham1,  your best option is to update, and upgrade, and hope whatever bug causing that got fixed... most likely..
[11:38] <dr_willis> or try starting X with startx and see if kde starts up that way..
[11:38] <arsham1> ok , let me try , thanks and brb
[11:39] <arsham1> oh , with startx I don't have anything there , just a cursor
[11:39] <dr_willis> you mean a mouse pointer?
[11:40] <roy_> im having a keymapping problem running an xp vmware machine inside ibex - it was fine under hardy heron but after upgrading 8.10 the down cursor key for example now is the windows key
[11:40] <arsham1> yes
[11:40] <arsham1> sorry
[11:40] <dr_willis> as a test.. try making a file called .xinitrc
[11:40] <dr_willis> and in it have 2 lines...
[11:40] <dr_willis> xterm &
[11:40] <arsham1> in home or etc?
[11:40] <dr_willis> startkde
[11:40] <arsham1> ok
[11:40] <dr_willis> Its a . file.. :) so its in the users home
[11:41] <dr_willis> Then try startx again
[11:41]  * dr_willis is pulling out his old troubleshooting techniques...
[11:41] <OxDeadC0de> echo "xterm &\nstartkde" > ~/.xinitrc    ? :P
[11:42] <dr_willis> OxDeadC0de,  i always goof those kind of commands.. :)
[11:42] <dr_willis> and people just look at them as if they were voodoo...
[11:42] <OxDeadC0de> it is though, bash voodoo :P
[11:42] <dr_willis> just be sure you dont get > and >> confused.. :) and all path/filenames right
[11:42] <arsham1> now I have a shell there , too, nothing more
[11:43] <arsham1> what is gpmctl?
[11:43] <dr_willis> does the xterm have window decoration?
[11:43] <arsham1> yes
[11:43] <OxDeadC0de> type startkde into the shell, what's it say ?
[11:43] <dr_willis> So it seems that kde is partially working.. :)
[11:43] <arsham1> no!
[11:43] <dr_willis> OxDeadC0de,  stole my next suggetion! :P
[11:43] <arsham1> it doesn't have
[11:43] <arsham1> ok
[11:44] <arsham1> brb
[11:44] <dr_willis> No window decoration.. Hmm.. you DID use 'xterm &'   not just 'xterm' ?
[11:44] <Seeker`> I think network manager is causing kernel panics - If i boot into safe mode and remove it, the system will boot fine, if i then reinstall and start networkmanager, the kernel panics again
[11:44] <OxDeadC0de> could it be your network card causing the panics?
[11:44] <arsham1> it says #DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to X
[11:45] <arsham1> I did xterm & in the rc file
[11:45] <groogy> Yo! I just updated to intrepid and I'm using Cairo-dock, the desklets I had just vanished and the lists with applets are empty. Help?
[11:45] <mnemoc> echo $DISPLAY   =)
[11:45] <Seeker`> the error messags I see in the log are related to acx
[11:45] <Chousuke> OxDeadC0de: are you sure echo correctly treats \n as a newline?
[11:45] <Chousuke> OxDeadC0de: mine doesn't :p
[11:45] <alanbshepard77> is a kernel panic what happens before corn turns into popcorn? ah what's happening.....POP!
[11:45] <arsham1> $DISPLAY is void
[11:46] <Chousuke> export DISPLAY=:0 then :=
[11:46] <arsham1> pl
[11:46] <arsham1> ok
[11:46] <dr_willis> Hmm.. thats weird.. how did xterm not get display set.. when it ran..
[11:46] <Chousuke> if X is running it's usually :0
[11:46] <roy_> im having a keymapping problem running an xp vmware machine inside ibex - it was fine under hardy heron but after upgrading 8.10 the down cursor key for example now is the windows key - any ideas?
[11:49] <arsham1> failed to load module type1, does not exists
[11:50] <dr_willis> arsham1,  interesting...
[11:50] <arsham1> hmmm
[11:50] <arsham1> let me start over
[11:50] <dr_willis> that was the error for the 'startkde' command? after exporting the DISPLAY?
[11:51] <roy_> im having a keymapping problem running an xp vmware machine inside ibex - it was fine under hardy heron but after upgrading 8.10 the down cursor key for example now is the windows key - any ideas?
[11:51] <arsham1> ok
[11:51] <arsham1> now , I got the kde session
[11:51] <arsham1> but right before the desktop shows up , its gone
[11:52] <arsham1> like the was before
[11:52] <vega> roy_: no need to repeat your question every 10 lines
[11:52] <roy_> sorry - wasnt sure if anyone read it
[11:52] <OxDeadC0de> Chousuke you were right, needs -e to recognize \n
[11:53] <arsham1> again it says ksmserver segfault at 0
[11:53] <roy_> does anyone know of a more appropriate place to ask about this
[11:54] <dr_willis> arsham1,  so it is kde crashing... we sort of have shown that...
[11:54] <arsham1> :(
[11:54] <arsham1> it seems to be something in libQTcore
[11:55] <arsham1> I am trying to reinstall libqt to see what happens
[11:55] <OxDeadC0de> have you - or can you, do sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[11:55] <OxDeadC0de> how slow is your connection?
[11:56] <arsham1> 256 Kb
[11:56] <arsham1> but it gives me at most , 27 KB
[11:56] <arsham1> 27KBs
[11:56] <OxDeadC0de> well, try what I said, if you have to let it run overnight, if you arn't limited by bandwidth that is
[11:56] <misiaczkowski> I find problem on kubuntu 8.10.... I can't move mp3 from Dolphin to amarok ( on amarok I see only link to the mp3)
[11:57] <dr_willis> servers were VERY slow just now when i uodated
[11:57] <Almindor> anyone knows if official AMD 8.10 drivers work on ibex and it they differ from what canonical cooked?
[11:57] <dr_willis> so 'expect delays' ahead. :)
[11:57] <dr_willis> Official AMD drivers... for what? AMD makes a lot of things...
[11:57] <Almindor> gfx
[11:57] <OxDeadC0de> I just upgraded 5 packages and it all worked fast for me
[11:58] <dr_willis> OxDeadC0de,  it did forme to just now.. a few min ago they all timed out
[11:58] <dr_willis> 'expect delays' :)
[11:58] <Almindor> the packaged driver is very broken, I know for a fact that official catalyst 8.10 also has most of the issues, but I think the fullscreen problem isn't there
[12:00] <Seeker`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/279287
[12:00] <Seeker`> thats what I have
[12:00] <Almindor> yeah the whole nm thing is borked
[12:00] <xxploit> i just replaced nm with wicd
[12:06] <chad> Has anyone been able to successfully connect to a pptp vpn using network-manager in 8.10 ?
[12:07] <Kimf> Yes, but that was before they "fixed" something. haven't tried in a couple days now
[12:07] <chad> Kimf: mine just says failed although the connection works fine in windows
[12:09] <Kimf> Yup, that is what happened to me aswell. But it did work at one point. Actually had it working when I first tried it in alpha 3 I think.
[12:09] <chad> Kimf: dead now though .. right ?
[12:10] <Kimf> haven't checked the last couple of days, but I think so.
[12:11] <chad> Anyone know how to manually make a vpn connection in 8.10 using the terminal ?
[12:20] <Keithamus> My girlfriends laptop has trouble connecting on kubuntu intrepid. Weve both got the same laptop, both on kubuntu intrepid. Mine connects fine, hers gets up to "IP Configuration" then dies. Anyone got any ideas?
[12:21] <dr_willis> swap laptops when shes not looking.. :)
[12:21] <dr_willis> Oh wait.. hers dosent work..
[12:24] <Keithamus> yeah no fun
[12:26] <Keithamus> are there any files i can compare to get this sorted?
[12:27] <rhkfin> Keithamus: all files in /etc
[12:27] <Keithamus> thats quite a few!
[12:28] <Keithamus> our /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces are identical
[12:28] <myk_robinson> morning, all
[12:29] <mnemoc> Keithamus: diff -Nudr
[12:29] <mnemoc> (of course you have to copy her etc locally first)
[12:30] <Keithamus> is there a saner and less laborious method?
[12:30] <Keithamus> seeing as our systems are going to have slight changes because of our own preferences
[12:31] <Keithamus> so im just gonna have to wade through tonnes of crap to find out what is what
[12:32] <vega> Keithamus: if you have static ip's then "identical" is not so good.. but i'm guessing not?
[12:33] <Keithamus> we do have static ips
[12:33] <Keithamus> well, reserved ips on the router.
[12:34] <vega> what does that mean, are they bound to the mac address or something?
[12:34] <Keithamus> yeah
[12:34] <vega> in that case, shouldn't you have differing interfaces file?
[12:34] <Keithamus> uhm no, it doesnt define a static ip
[12:35] <Keithamus> it still asks for a dynamic ip, but the router always gives it the same one
[12:35] <predator363> hey does intrepid use gnome
[12:35] <vega> ok
[12:35] <predator363> ?
[12:35] <Keithamus> predator363: of course
[12:35] <vega> predator363: yes?
[12:35] <predator363> was just wondering cos i cant get themes to work right
[12:35] <predator363> and i cant find anythemes in .gtp files
[12:35] <Kimf> I'm having a rather non standard problem, that might be a more general problem. I'm running vista on a (nvidia fake)raid 0 and installed ubuntu 8.10 on a 3rd drive (nonraid). I'm booting this from the vista bootmanager with grub4dos and the menu.lst file from the ubuntu install. But I only get a busybox in the initramfs and a message that /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... does not exist(where it should be installed)
[12:35] <predator363> cos thats what the theme manager wants
[12:36] <predator363> so where would get themes in .gtp files?
[12:36] <vega> Keithamus: try to restart networking from command line and see if that gives any errors
[12:36] <Pici> predator363: Just drag a tar.gz theme onto the theme window.
[12:37] <Keithamus> vega: how do I do that?
[12:37] <vega> Keithamus: /etc/init.d/networking restart or "ifdown ethX && ifup ethX"
[12:37] <vega> and use "ifconfig" to see if you get an ip address
[12:38] <predator363> i did that and it dosent show up
[12:38] <predator363> theme manager closes and when i reopen it the themes not there
[12:38] <Keithamus> vega: i did that before with no luck. ifconfig doesnt give me an ip
[12:38] <predator363> i tryed copying it to the theme folder but no cake
[12:38] <Keithamus> trying again now, still no luck by the looks of it
[12:39] <Keithamus> knetwork manager fills the little bar up to 100%, but the cog still spins for like a minute before it gives up
[12:39] <vega> Keithamus: you can see the dhcp request messages but no answer from server?
[12:39] <Pici> predator363: Are you decompressing the .tar.gz file?
[12:39] <Keithamus> how would I see them vega?
[12:39] <predator363> no
[12:39] <vega> Keithamus: at least when using the "ifdown ethX && ifup ethX" command
[12:39] <Keithamus> I can see in my router logs it gets the computer (tells me the hostname and mac, and then tells me it has assigned it an IP address)
[12:40] <Keithamus> vega: did I mention its wireless?
[12:40] <Pici> predator363: Is it every theme that you are having trouble with, or just one specific?
[12:40] <vega> no
[12:40] <Keithamus> my bad, thought I did
[12:40] <vega> WEP/WPA ?
[12:41] <Keithamus> wpa2 ccmp
[12:41] <vega> actually never used wpa myself.. but guess you checked relevant settings
[12:41] <Keithamus> weve got exactly the same setup in the network manager, and mine connects like a breeze
[12:41] <predator363> every theme iv tryed metacity themes compiz themes gnome themes emerald themes (i cant even get emeralds manager to open cos it freezes) nothing seems to work
[12:42] <predator363> when i look in synaptic and search for gnome it dosent say its installed should i try installing it? and what am i using if im not it gnome?
[12:43] <Keithamus> vega: my router has a "guest mode" where it sets up a second access point, i did that and made it unsecure, but her lappy still cant connect to that, so Im thinking its not a wpa issue
[12:43] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[12:43] <Pici> pawan: The same day that I told you in #ubuntu, October 30th
[12:43] <dr_willis> Do we need to set a ON JOIN spam message to people? :)
[12:43] <matjan_work> hi, has anyone here had the problem with the iwlagn driver (kernel panics)?
[12:44] <dr_willis> lets start telling everyone it will be out on October 33rd!
[12:44] <Keithamus> matjan_work: yes; sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
[12:44] <pawan> whats special in new version
[12:44] <vega> Keithamus: dunno really, running out of ideas, any differing firewall config on the laptops?
[12:44] <dr_willis> everything has been updated...
[12:44] <Keithamus> vega: havent touched it
[12:44] <matjan_work> Keithamus, ok... and that solved the problem? (just to be sure...)
[12:45] <Keithamus> matjan_work: did for me, needs a restart though
[12:45] <Pici> pawan: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc#New%20Features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.04
[12:45] <Keithamus> vega: can i check by just running ufw?
[12:45] <matjan_work> Keithamus, right, makes sense
[12:45] <vega> Keithamus: also, compare /etc/dhcp3/ and /etc/NetworkManager/
[12:45] <rhkfin> some on join message would be handy..
[12:45] <predator363> i'll be back in a little bit. gotta go but still need help with themes (found a good howto maybe i wont be back if it helps) thanks anyone for any replaies i got
[12:46] <vega> Keithamus: don't know, i use shorewall
[12:46] <pawan> good
[12:47] <vega> Keithamus: "sudo ufw status" might tell something
[12:48] <Keithamus> vega: both say not loaded, comparing the files you said, both seem identical
[12:49] <Keithamus> vega: the router cant be iffy can it? Mine connected fine, my wii connecting in about 2 seconds, two other wired machines connect fine, its literally just her lappy
[12:51] <vega> Keithamus: has the laptop wireless ever worked under linux? or was it so that they were identical
[12:51] <Keithamus> worked up until yesterday, and hasnt worked since
[12:52] <pawan> what
[12:52] <vega> both run intrepid, same upgrade status?
[12:52] <pawan> any good webcam software
[12:52] <rhkfin> Keithamus: try with a live cd?
[12:53]  * Elektrikz rr -.-
[12:53] <dr_willis> pawan,   i like cheese :)
[12:53] <pawan> what
[12:53] <pawan> cheese
[12:53] <pawan> i like bread
[12:54] <Pici> !info cheese | pawan
[12:54] <nemo> hm. version of rexml in ubuntu 8.10 has a pretty annoying crasher
[12:54] <nemo> causes Gnome Art Manager to blow up
[12:55] <pawan> how to install
[12:55] <vega> pawan: sudo apt-get install cheese
[12:55] <Pici> pawan: The same way that you install anything in Ubuntu.
[12:55] <pawan> ok
[12:56] <vega> or through the graphical frontends..
[12:56] <Keithamus> k thanks guys
[12:56] <pawan> oh thanks
[12:56] <Keithamus> ill try a livecd and get back to you.
[12:57] <Kimf> crap... think I just got it working with my strange setup. Just did an exit on the initramfs and it booted. Hmmm Now to see if everything is ok
[12:57] <Kimf> Starnge
[12:57] <vega> i'd check the upgrade status of nm and kernel packages, nm has got a lot of updates recently (and still it's crap :))
[12:57] <Kimf> Strange at least. hehe
[12:59] <Kimf> But my raid is not showing. :(
[12:59] <pawan> what
[13:01] <erry> Hello i updated frm 8.04 to 8.10 and it wont wake up from sleep(takes me in black screen w/ mouse cursor but mouse dont move)
[13:01] <erry> anyway to fix rthat
[13:01] <pawan> anyone from india here
[13:02] <erry> no can u help me\ tho?
[13:03] <aLeSD_> hi all
[13:03] <erry> hello
[13:03] <xxploit> anyone know if theres a firefox plugin to integrate gwget into firefox(alot of older posts refer to using fireget but it doesnt support firefox 3)
[13:03] <aLeSD_> do you confirm me that dhcplient works for yours maquines ?
[13:05] <mnemoc> aLeSD_: works fine here
[13:05] <aLeSD_> something wrong with my roter
[13:06] <aLeSD_> shit ... it locks sky2 and sly2 modules
[13:06] <aLeSD_> and I haven't other hw to test it
[13:06] <aLeSD_> who can help me to investigate the problem ?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> what's the word on 3D and DRI on 8.10 / kde4.1.2 using ATI 200X graphics ...was fine on 8.04. The xorg.conf file is totally changed and almost uneditable. Why the dumbing down of user options ?
[13:07] <aLeSD_> maybe it could be usefull for the ibex
[13:08] <aLeSD_> alo'
[13:09] <aLeSD_> is there one of the ubuntu staff ?
[13:09] <grimsqueaker13> anyone know if i can do a dist-upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 using the normal cd? all the docs say you have to download the alternate cd which seems odd. i tried turning off all sources except the cd and doing apt-get dist-upgrade but it didnt offer me a full upgrade
[13:09] <BluesKaj> which router aLeSD_ ?
[13:10] <aLeSD_> it's a fastweb router ... adsl - ethernet ... wait ... I try to find out the model
[13:10] <BluesKaj> grimsqueaker13:   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[13:10] <erry> Hello
[13:12] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: pirelli age-ra
[13:12] <grimsqueaker13> BluesKaj: it works from the internet, just wanted to know if i can tell it to go from the cd
[13:12] <BluesKaj> grimsqueaker13:  I upgraded to 8.10 on the web using the instructions here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu
[13:12] <erry> Hello i updated frm 8.04 to 8.10 and it wont wake up from sleep(takes me in black screen w/ mouse cursor but mouse dont move)
[13:13] <grimsqueaker13> i already have te cd, i would like to not have to download the whole image again if possible
[13:13] <BluesKaj> grimsqueaker13:  why ?
[13:13] <grimsqueaker13> saves time, the connection here is shitty :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> you can do it without using the cd , is my point
[13:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:14] <BluesKaj> dunno the cd , I didn't try it
[13:14] <erry> Hello??
[13:14] <grimsqueaker13> ok kl
[13:14] <erry> Can you please help me/
[13:14] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: it's the default router of fastweb provider .. in Italy
[13:15] <BluesKaj> erry, ctrl+alt+backspace
[13:15] <erry> Will that even work?
[13:15] <erry> it kills my mouse
[13:15] <erry> im petty sure it will also kill my keyboard
[13:15] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: I have only a telnet port opened by my side
[13:15] <BluesKaj> brings you back to the login page, erry
[13:15] <erry> w/e im gonna try it
[13:15] <erry> hope its fixed till the 30th..
[13:16] <BluesKaj> no ethernet ?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> eth0 ?
[13:16] <erry> did u even undersdtand my problem?
[13:17] <OxDeadC0de> erry suspend is having trouble resuming?
[13:17] <erry> Yes
[13:17] <erry> last time i tried it brought me to a black screen with mouse cursor but mouse ddint move
[13:17] <aLeSD_> BluesKaj: I post you the out put of the dhpclient
[13:17] <erry> i think it killed my hardware
[13:17] <erry> :(
[13:18] <BluesKaj> it's a hardware prob that 8.10 hasn't fixed yet due to the fact that they are using the HAL instead of a proper xorg.conf on the mouse and keyboard ...I have the same prob with my graphics card
[13:18] <erry> so is it fixable?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> I hope so
[13:18] <erry> >:(
[13:19] <erry> Ill prolly have to downgrade
[13:19] <erry> right?
[13:19] <OxDeadC0de> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3066404
[13:19] <erry> 8sigh*
[13:20] <erry> i spent 2 hours upgrading and now this
[13:20] <BluesKaj> erry, everything seems generic in the xorg.conf file. I'm trying to find out if it's possible to even edit xorg.conf to get 3D and DRI working on my setup.
[13:20] <erry> I wish 3D worked.
[13:20] <OxDeadC0de> what graphics cards are you using?
[13:20] <nemo> Hey folks, if anyone here uses the gnome art manager, I fixed a couple of issues I had with it
[13:20] <nemo> attached the diffs to this bug:
[13:20] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-art/+bug/108834
[13:21] <erry> Ati radeon and it has never worked propelry in linux
[13:21] <nemo> bug could probably use confirming, too
[13:21] <erry> never. :(
[13:21] <BluesKaj> google earth is one of my fav apps and it  just crashes
[13:21] <erry> mine makes the screen blink
[13:21] <erry> i wanna play a game
[13:21] <OxDeadC0de> bleh, I hated radeons, stupid things never worked right in linux, that's y I use nvidia or intel now
[13:21] <erry> i killed my windows lol
[13:21] <erry> it was an accident.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> I have ATI X200G onboard and worked just fine in 8.04/kde3
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: Radeon never worked for me in windows either
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: they never responded to bug reports, even ones with test code.
[13:22] <erry> it works for me in windoes but
[13:22] <erry> i killed windows
[13:22] <erry> =D
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: We ended up ditching ATI for all our machines
[13:22] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: was just impossible to develop for
[13:22] <nemo> their OpenGL implementations were particularly sucky
[13:22] <erry> i have nvidia in my desktop
[13:22] <erry> but its an old desktop
[13:22] <nemo> although they do do ok at Direct3d
[13:23] <erry> from win2k time
[13:23] <OxDeadC0de> new ones are probably okay, but the last radeon I had was igp 320m and it just sucked
[13:23] <erry> would it work if i had wine there?
[13:23] <nemo> OxDeadC0de: why does your name have an Ox instead of a 0x?  I find that very confusing.
[13:23] <nemo> I keep wondering why tab complete isn't working
[13:23] <OxDeadC0de> is it oh or zero? :P
[13:23] <BluesKaj> well, i tried kbuntu live cd 8.04 on wifes new vista pc with nvidia graphics ...it sucks, couldn't proper res on the monitor
[13:23] <OxDeadC0de> if it's oh it's because the irc server won't let me use zero
[13:24] <nemo> use a different nick then? :)
[13:24]  * nemo runs OxDeadC0de through the nickometre
[13:24] <OxDeadC0de> but I like this one, was the funniest thing I ever saw in a debugger, don't know why
[13:25] <OxDeadC0de> the code wasn't working, and the debugger said it was 0xdeadc0de in those addresses... I just thought that was funny
[13:26] <aLeSD____> BluesKaj: hellpo
[13:26] <aLeSD____> it's the gnome network manager
[13:26] <aLeSD____> if I run dhcp clients with the network manager disabled it works
[13:26] <aLeSD____> but if I active it
[13:26] <aLeSD____> the connection is broken ..
[13:27] <aLeSD____> and if I run the dhcp client by the console I have:
[13:27] <aLeSD____> (sorry for the paste)
[13:27] <aLeSD____> dhclient eth0
[13:27] <aLeSD____> There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 8229
[13:27] <aLeSD____> killed old client process, removed PID file
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
[13:27] <aLeSD____> All rights reserved.
[13:27] <aLeSD____> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[13:27] <aLeSD____> SIOCSIFADDR: No buffer space available
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:13:77:5d:3a:b5
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:13:77:5d:3a:b5
[13:27] <aLeSD____> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[13:27] <aLeSD____> DHCPREQUEST of <IP_ADDRESS> on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[13:27] <aLeSD____> send_packet: Message too long
[13:27] <aLeSD____> DHCPREQUEST of <IP_ADDRESS> on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[13:27] <aLeSD____> send_packet: Message too long
[13:27] <aLeSD____> ^C
[13:27] <aLeSD____> so ... I have to
[13:28] <jussi01> !paste
[13:28] <OxDeadC0de> pastebin or bugreport or forums anyone?
[13:28] <mnemoc> aLeSD____: you could have used pastebin
[13:28] <aLeSD____> disable the network manager
[13:28] <aLeSD____> mnemoc .. I will
[13:28] <aLeSD____> modprobe -r sky2
[13:28] <aLeSD____> modprobe sky2
[13:28] <aLeSD____> and then the dhcp client works ... but with the network manager disabled
[13:29] <aLeSD____> that's all
[13:31] <aLeSD____> I mean ... could I run the gnome network manager in a terminal with debug option on ?
[13:31] <mnemoc> the network manager is a daemon
[13:32] <nemo> aLeSD____: ... send pack - message too long
[13:32] <nemo> aLeSD____: could you have an MTU issue?
[13:32] <aLeSD____> mnemoc: well ... usually u can run a demon undemonized
[13:32] <nemo> aLeSD____: like, you're using jumbo frames on one of the two ends?
[13:33] <aLeSD____> nemo ... don't know ... but the problem sussists only when the network daemon do the yob
[13:33] <aLeSD____> after I can't run an ifconfig .. look
[13:33] <aLeSD____> mmm
[13:33] <aLeSD____> well ... I haven't the log now
[13:33] <redwhitewaldo> hi, folks.  My problem is that now when firefox loads a big page everything just stops for a while, as the X server is eating all the CPU possible and everything else is waiting (that wasn't happening with xgl). I'm using nvidia, compiz, x86_64 machine, any ideas ot should I open a bug in launchpad?
[13:34] <aLeSD____> mnemoc: what's the name of the daemon ?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> redwhitewaldo: here
[13:34] <redwhitewaldo> Question 2: where can we submit a possible bug report
[13:34] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , bugs.launchpad.net
[13:34] <redwhitewaldo> BluesKaj: no, i meant on ubuntuforums.com
[13:34] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, launchpad.net
[13:34] <redwhitewaldo> krokodilerian: joaopinto thank you 2.
[13:35] <victim[v]> I've just reinstalled 8.10 RC and I still cannot change my screen resolution from 640 * 480, I have an Nvidia FX5200 and the 173 drivers active
[13:35] <aLeSD____> ok NetworkManager
[13:35] <victim[v]> what can I do?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> lotsa graphics troubles with 8.10RC ...there's vitually no options in the xorg.conf
[13:36] <krokodilerian> victim[v] , have you tried using the nvidia-settings shit
[13:36] <redwhitewaldo> to submit ubuntu 8.10 bugs, should the "distribution" field in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug be "ubuntu"? I don't see any specific version of ubuntu. thanks.
[13:36] <mnemoc> !nvidia
[13:36] <BluesKaj> too late for me too victim[v], I'm using ATI
[13:37] <krokodilerian> victim[v] , otherwise, from what I remember, once i had to remove all the "modes" from the xorg.conf and it detected the resolution and worked