[00:01] <KxTwo> room seems kind of dead
[00:01] <daftykins> it's almost like it's NEW YEARS
[00:01] <Borillion> LOL
[00:01] <William9455> LOL yes it is Happy New Year
[00:02] <William9455> Sadly though still having issus with linux and software updater
[00:02] <William9455> Maybe my computer should start drinking then it can be a great new year
[00:02] <KxTwo> Not everyone celebrates or cares about NEW YEARS lol
[00:03] <William9455> See it is a new year, but nothing new ever happens same old stuff every year
[00:03] <KxTwo>  New years is just a western thing.  People use it as another excuse to get drunk and be stupid aka basically act like they do every other day
[00:03] <William9455> LOL well I am from WI and they do not need excuses to drink
[00:04] <William9455> and in easter calanders it is not a new year, yet.
[00:04] <William9455> But they do celebrate their new year, like china has thirs and they get drunk there too
[00:05] <daftykins> KxTwo: true, but in my eyes it stops randomers asking for things for just a day or two a year in channels like this ;)
[00:06] <KxTwo> daftykins, if you dont want to be asked of anything simply log out?
[00:06] <daftykins> lol don't be a nob
[00:06] <KxTwo> I love some peoples logic lol
[00:06] <KxTwo> a nob?  LMFAO
[00:06] <William9455> Well maybe it does, this is a free support, if you want 24 365 supportthen that usually costs ya, shouldnt complain just say oh well life goes on, read up your problem on google usually helps me whn I can not get an answer here
[00:06] <daftykins> no my logic is thinking of others :)
[00:06] <daftykins> William9455: true that :)
[00:07] <Gnea> William9455: this is a channel, not a room.
[00:08] <William9455> This is a "free" os but that does not mean support is always there, sometimes have to bit the bit and read up on your topic yourself, I know google has a translate so you can see the help files in native laguange
[00:08] <KxTwo> granted this is support but its also a discussion channel, I've come here plenty of times not really needing support but just trying to educate myself by asking questions.  Like currently trying to understand the different DE's and WM etc.  If some one doesn't want to discuss or answer questions they can simply not respond or log out.  Not really a complex idea.
[00:08] <Gnea> okay, do any of you have anything on topic to ask or discuss?
[00:09] <Ginoss> !list
[00:09] <William9455> And yes right now we are discussing the freedoms of people to celebrate their new year and no support 24 7 365
[00:09] <NewWorld> KxTwo:  it's ubuntu-specific support chan, though
[00:09] <Gnea> William9455: then do so in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[00:09] <bazhang> KxTwo, its NOT the chat channel
[00:09] <William9455> Sorry
[00:09] <KxTwo> NewWorld, ive not asked anything not related to ubuntu.
[00:09] <NewWorld> oh ok
[00:10] <bazhang> KxTwo, this is support only. #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[00:10] <KxTwo> NewWorld, my comment was in response to some one saying they liked new years because it meant people wouldnt ask questions.  I thought that was silly.
[00:11] <NewWorld> maybe the mods are out celebrating, so we CAN chit chat hehe
[00:11] <William9455> Not quite it was more about this is quiet and you said well just because it is new years it should not be quiet, then i went off on my tangent sorry of topic again
[00:11] <daftykins> aka this guy can't take a joke ^_^
[00:11] <William9455> :(
[00:11] <NewWorld> sorry :(
[00:11] <bazhang> that is enough NewWorld
[00:11] <Gnea> !ubuntu
[00:11] <KxTwo> Anyway my last question relating to ubuntu was involving unity.  I am a little confused I thought unity was a windows manager for gnome but obviously wrong.  When I do ech desktop environment it just says ubuntu.
[00:12] <daftykins> bazhang: that was pretty sad
[00:12] <bazhang> KxTwo, its a shell, just as gnome-shell is
[00:12] <Gnea> KxTwo: Unity is a shell
[00:12] <bazhang> daftykins, lets move on please
[00:12] <Kilum> anyone here used a pinnacle dazzle on ubuntu
[00:12] <KxTwo> so unity is a shell for gnome 3.0?
[00:12] <bazhang> correct
[00:13] <Gnea> !unity | KxTwo
[00:13] <Apteryx> Hello! Does someone tested connecting a USB mass storage Android phone to a LiveCD or LiveUSB?
[00:14] <i3ear> I have a big question
[00:14] <i3ear> anyone got the time?
[00:14] <PDun> Apteryx - Mine gets recognized for booting from LiveUSB and recognized when loaded
[00:14] <Apteryx> Or could make a quick test? I can't make it work. No USB connection is detected. I wonder if it's hardware related or just a general limitation?
[00:15] <Gnea> !ask | i3ear
[00:15] <NewWorld> Apteryx:  is it not listed in `lsusb`?
[00:15] <Apteryx> PDun: oh. So it works? You can activate USB storage and copy files from phone to LiveUSB? Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:15] <KxTwo> what eversion of gnome am I running.  The gnome-about command does not seem to exist
[00:15] <i3ear> I am a musician and I have just one program that I need in windows, but it is really important. Can I run virtual midi connections from linux through vm ware to windows and then back again for audio?
[00:16] <Wulfe> are you sure the android "live usb drive" it is in host mode and not OTG mode.
[00:16] <PDun> I am on 10.04 but also worked with 11.10
[00:16] <Apteryx> NewWorld: PDun ok, thanks.
[00:16] <nipar> I "started ubuntuing" just recently, and for that purpose I decided to hang out here
[00:17] <nipar> and now all I can think is, why is linux/ubuntu good? :l
[00:17] <nipar> There
[00:17] <Apteryx> NewWorld: nothing seems to happen when I plug the phone by USB to LiveUSB. No USB connection menu appears in the Android notification area and lsusb does not list the phone :(
[00:17] <nipar> are limitations in software and all kinds of weird things going on
[00:18] <josefwu> i3ear you prolly can pull that off with wine
[00:18] <NewWorld> Apteryx:  do `dmesg`. Unplug/replug it. do `dmesg` again, and see what it told you
[00:18] <KxTwo> ugh so confusing
[00:18] <Wulfe> Apteryx:  are you sure it is in host mode and not OTG mode.
[00:18] <i3ear> josefwu: I am not sure how stable this program is on wine, it is a very uncommon program to run on linux
[00:18] <i3ear> josefwu: that and I could never figure out how wine works :x
[00:18] <Apteryx> Wulfe: hmm, how can I check this? By default I think it would be in host mode?
[00:19] <NewWorld> KxTwo:  can you not find out the gnome version in your package manager?
[00:19] <josefwu> i3ear what program is it?
[00:20] <KxTwo> NewWorld, im not sure how, I simly did a google search and everything talks about the shell but not the version of gnome itself.  I thought I read somewhere that gnome 3.2 would be mroe up my alley but I dont knwo if it means the shell or the DE
[00:20] <Apteryx> NewWorld: Just tried the dmesg, unplug-replug, dmesg and nothing new is printed there :|
[00:20] <Wulfe> well iirc you want it in OTG mode which is usually default. but Host mode makes other things the "drive/peripheral"
[00:20] <i3ear> josefwu: I could but I could never get it to work. but meh I have yet to install linux as lubuntu was giving me problems. I came here to ask for help about it but now I am thinking about just getting rid of windows xp
[00:21] <KxTwo> !notunity
[00:21] <i3ear> josefwu: sorry I didn't see your message, it is abox2 https://sites.google.com/site/analogbox2/
[00:21] <Wulfe> OTG mode or "on the go" mode is what makes it allowable to have it as a drive. that kind of information will be found th the devices manufacture information.
[00:21] <NewWorld> KxTwo:  well open up synaptic and search for gnome and check it's version
[00:21] <Apteryx> Wulfe: I'm pretty sure it's in the correct mode by default, because on a real, as in installed opposed to Live version of Ubuntu, it would get detected and mounted easily without doing anything special (other than activating USB memory access from the notification area in Android)
[00:22] <KxTwo> NewWorld, I dont have synaptic
[00:22] <Wulfe> okay then it is most definitely in OTG mode.
[00:23] <Wulfe> Apteryx: is the BIOS detecting it as a USB HDD?
[00:23] <Apteryx> hum, I can check
[00:23] <Wulfe> you may have to set it up in the BIOS first on some machines
[00:23] <Wulfe> before USB drives can be booted from
[00:23] <NewWorld> KxTwo:  then with dpkg , check `man dpkg` on how to search for a pkg
[00:24] <Apteryx> Wulfe: I'm not sure you got my scenario right, I'm booting Ubuntu from a USB key (distinct from phone) and trying to access my Nexus S internal memory from there
[00:24] <Wulfe> OH! yes i did have you wrong.
[00:25] <Apteryx> No problem :D
[00:25] <Wulfe> I thoughtyou had a ubuntu usblive partioned off on the device and wanted to use it to boot ubuntu
[00:25] <Wulfe> my bad
[00:25] <Wulfe> lol
[00:25] <nmatrix9> Hey guys
[00:25] <KxTwo> NewWorld, I think its pointless
[00:25] <KxTwo> i guess ill just try gnome shell
[00:25] <Apteryx> No, it's should be a really simple scenario, it puzzles me as to why it's not working already ;)
[00:26] <nmatrix9> Anyone know of any software to turn my linux box into a hub/router so my NAS and other devices can share my linux box internet connection which is wireless?
[00:27] <Guest86144> hi ubuntu users
[00:27] <PDun> nmatrix - Wired?
[00:27] <PDun> Hi Guest86144
[00:27] <nmatrix9> linux box is connected wirelessly
[00:27] <nmatrix9> all other devices are wired connected to a switch which is then connected to the linux box
[00:28] <nmatrix9> PDun, ^
[00:28] <PDun> Are you using crossover cable to connect from the nic to the switch?
[00:28] <Guest86144> i have a problem with nautilus, i want to hide files names in thumbnail view of pictures. how?
[00:28] <nmatrix9> PDun, no
[00:29] <PDun> Than that is likely your issue:-)
[00:29] <Wulfe> Apteryx:  it should be listed in 'lsusb' and i would assume 'dmesg' would have reported something about it when it was plugged in. otherwise idk. have you tried asking about it in the Galaxy S threads on XDA?
[00:29] <nmatrix9> PDun, Oh
[00:30] <Wulfe> This may very well be a thing on the devices side and not ubuntu
[00:30] <Gnea> KxTwo: you could also try E17, they finally made a release
[00:31] <KxTwo> Gnea, im nto familiar with that?
[00:31] <Gnea> !e17
[00:31] <Gnea> KxTwo: www.enlightenment.org is the site, there's a ppa with all of the latest builds
[00:32] <KaiSforza> e17 is no longer the 'development' version
[00:32] <mec> i just installed ubuntu 12. on my acer laptop. I noticed that if i unplug my power cord and plug it back into the laptop. the lights on the laptop keep blinking. and its not charging the laptop. how do i fix this
[00:32] <PDun> nmatrix9, Another good option would be just using a wireless repeater that gives you a wired output if you need wired connections
[00:33] <broken> !gnome3
[00:34] <ivotkl> Hello guys. Can anyone help me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12431669
[00:34] <nmatrix9> PDun, Think I am going with the crossover cable option.
[00:35] <broken> !lightdm
[00:36] <broken> !gdm
[00:42] <Apteryx> Wulfe: It seems that the phone is my problem for now :S I tried in another friend's Win7 PC, and its not recognized at all also... Tried two different cables... I think I need to head to the Android channel now :S hehe
[00:43] <mec> i just installed ubuntu 12. on my acer laptop. I noticed that if i unplug my power cord and plug it back into the laptop. the lights on the laptop keep blinking. and its not charging the laptop. how do i fix this
[00:46] <jhutchins_wk> mec: Start with updating your bios.
[00:48] <ogny> en cok bu tuhaf emotion'larini ozledim
[00:48] <ogny> sorry
[00:49] <mec> whats the bios got to do with blinking power lights? not argueing. just asking
[00:49] <ravigehlot> Hey guys, how do change X11 to run BlackBox instead of Ubuntu's Desktop standard
[00:50] <jhutchins_wk> nmatrix9: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ <- everything you need.
[00:51] <hectron> Hey all, I need assistance setting up Drupal on Apache locally in Ubuntu 12.10.
[00:51] <jhutchins_wk> mec: The bios handles things like suspend and power management.
[00:51] <jhutchins_wk> mec: The software just interfaces with bios functions.
[00:51] <hectron> I have installed apache and I have configured my virtualhosts. However, I can't access the website from foobar.dev
[00:51] <Nirvash> hectron, sounds intense. Have you tried Google?
[00:52] <mec> i guess i'll have to look. if they even have any for this laptop its a few years old
[00:52] <cjae> when you leave a persistence space on a live usb, where do you save you files or can it be anywhere on the disk, I used unetbootin
[00:52] <jhutchins_wk> mec: You want to start with the latest bios first, the work on tweaking the apci.
[00:52] <hectron> I have enabled that in my /etc/hosts file, and also name the appropriate sites-available/foobar file.
[00:52] <Nirvash> cjae: Persistent space should stay static, so anywhere in that area should be okay. Double check it to be sure.
[00:52] <jhutchins_wk> mec: A lot of systems will have an update that posts around the time the units start hitting the retail market.
[00:52] <cjae> Nirvash: ok thanks
[00:52] <hectron> Furthermore, I have restart the service several times and have ensured that ServerName and ServerAlias are configured to accept foobar.dev as the url.
[00:53] <Nirvash> cjae: Np, let us know
[00:53] <jhutchins_wk> mec: Acer's good about maintaining them.
[00:53] <hectron> Any pointers would be great. Nirvash, I used bing.
[00:53] <Nirvash> hectron: I don't know anything about what you're talking about, but have you seen this?
[00:53] <Nirvash> http://drupal.org/project/apachesolr
[00:53] <hectron> I have seen that before.
[00:54] <jhutchins_wk> hectron: Check your nsswitch file to be sure that the hosts file is the first source for everything.
[00:54] <Nirvash> hectron: Sorry, that's all I know =/
[00:54] <hectron> What is distressing about my situation is that my website is accessible via localhost/foobar but not via foobar.dev as I have set up in my virtualhosts and the /etc/apache2/sites-available/foobar file.
[00:55] <hectron> jhutchins_wk: Thanks for the tip. I will look into that.
[00:57] <jrib> hectron: clear your browser's cache
[00:57] <hectron> jrib++
[00:57] <hectron> I can't believe it was that.
[00:57] <hectron> *Facepalm*
[00:58] <Nirvash> if (jrib=0; jrib++; jrib<1) @_@
[00:58] <jrib> Nirvash: noop?
[00:58] <hectron> I think your conditions are backwards.
[00:58] <Nirvash> Haha, I always get a kick out of ++ and yeah they're backwards -_- How does it go again?
[00:58] <hectron> if (jribKarma = 0; jribKarma < 1; jribKarma++) @_@
[00:58] <Nirvash> Initial, Max, Incrementor?
[00:59] <Nirvash> There we go, haha been a while apparently T_T
[00:59] <hectron> Hahah/
[00:59] <jrib> I wonder what happens in the original
[00:59] <hectron> I think it's a compile time error.
[01:00] <hectron> Or not, but it's an execution time error.
[01:00] <Nirvash> Would it be?
[01:00] <hectron> jribb++ does not result in a boolean.
[01:00] <Nirvash> Haha, either way it wouldn't work.
[01:00] <hectron> :3
[01:01] <Nirvash> @_@ jribb = true;
[01:07] <Ginoss> !ciao
[01:07] <Ginoss> !lista
[01:08] <Nirvash> Anyone needing Ubuntu help?
[01:09] <cjae> when I try to boot the usb drive made with unetbootin when I select how to boot ubuntu doesnt seem to do anything, should I be seeing kernel messages?
[01:09] <Nirvash> No. What OS are you trying to boot with Unetbootin?
[01:09] <cjae> 10.04
[01:09] <cjae> desktop
[01:09] <Nirvash> Why 10.04?
[01:09] <Nirvash> Is that the last stable release for your hardware?
[01:10] <cjae> need to use something that requires lpt port figured a older might be better, trying to unbrick a wrt
[01:10] <OerHeks> 10.04 is still supported
[01:10] <Nirvash> cjae: What size is the USB drive?
[01:10] <trxicon> hi everyone
[01:11] <cjae> 4GB with 400 persistence
[01:11] <Nirvash> OerHeks: I know it is, but usually it's better to update to a newer version if your hardware plays nice with it...
[01:11] <Nirvash> trxicon: Hi.
[01:11] <Nirvash> Ah, does your BIOS support booting from USB?
[01:11] <cjae> oh theres the ubuntu screen
[01:11] <Nirvash> 0_o It took that long?
[01:12] <cjae> wow that took a bit for a usb stick that reads at 20 mb/s
[01:12] <Nirvash> ... shouldn't take that long =/
[01:12] <cjae> oh well it seems to be working
[01:12] <Nirvash> Are you planning to keep it as a flash-distro or format the HDD?
[01:12] <cjae> flash distro
[01:13] <Nirvash> Which explains the persistence... do you have internet access on the PC?
[01:13] <cjae> the jtag program doesnt run in dos
[01:13] <Nirvash> Do what?
[01:13] <cjae> well it could but is not hooked up
[01:13] <Nirvash> Oh, I was going to say: just use cloud storage.
[01:14] <cjae> thats why I need the linux environment since the jtag doesnt run in dos
[01:14] <Nirvash> Honestly don't know what jtag is T_T
[01:15] <cjae> it lets you clear bad setting in chips, I am going to try to use it again to repair bad flash on linksys wrt54 router
[01:15] <cjae> bad flashed
[01:16] <Nirvash> Ah, so you flashed the router and bricked it and now want to use jtag to unbrick it?
[01:16] <cjae> holy ship is this taking forever
[01:16] <cjae> yes
[01:16] <cjae> actuallly two of them
[01:16] <Nirvash> -_- Did you not learn after the first one?
[01:17] <cjae> one seems to have went bad on its own and one I did when drunk lol
[01:17] <cjae> bad idea
[01:17] <trxicon> question: i installed a desktop to root area by accident how can i fix?
[01:17] <irv> wha'ts the countdown on the site?
[01:18] <Nirvash> Haha, I hear you there cjae.
[01:18] <Nirvash> Trixicon: What?
[01:18] <irv> So close, you can almost touch it.
[01:18] <irv> 40:48:49 HRS MINS SECS
[01:18] <OerHeks> irv surprice, wait for 40 more hours .. something with touch
[01:18] <JesseH> happy new years
[01:19] <JesseH> blargggg
[01:19] <trxicon> building linux from scratch when i got to installing desktop environment i installed it to root
[01:19] <irv> oh, sweet
[01:19] <WeThePeople> where is firefox located at in 12.04
[01:19] <trxicon> superuser instead of user
[01:19] <cjae> Nirvash: :-)
[01:20] <Nirvash> trxicon: is it working?
[01:20] <trxicon> no
[01:20] <Nirvash> Can you not just reinstall?
[01:20] <OerHeks> WeThePeople, try terminal:  find firefox
[01:20] <trxicon> yea so should i uninstall it from root
[01:20] <trxicon> so it wont be there double
[01:21] <cjae> it sucks since the one that went bad on its own was the GL series which is a little better, I have no idea how it happened, my guess it one of the stupid power flickers we get quite often
[01:21] <Nirvash> WeThePeople: .... why do you need to knw?
[01:21] <Nirvash> cjae: Do you have a surge protector?
[01:21] <Nirvash> Battery backup? Regulator?
[01:21] <WeThePeople> nirvash, becuz its opening up
[01:21] <Nirvash> WeThePeople: And you *don't* want this?
[01:21] <cjae> I dont have one here but have put a couple in elsewhere because of it
[01:22] <cjae> this thing is still loading ..... yeesh
[01:23] <trxicon> really a archlinux question but its still a basic linux question
[01:23] <trxicon> but i couldnt get a answer from archlinux room
[01:24] <cjae> how do I tell what mode my lpt port is on form within ubuntu
[01:24] <cjae> from*
[01:25] <Nirvash> No clue =/
[01:25] <Nirvash> http://superuser.com/questions/301753/how-do-i-print-directly-to-lpt-port-in-ubuntu
[01:29] <trxicon> i had played around with ubuntu for a while now moving on to archlinux
[01:30] <OerHeks> trxicon, wrong channel buddy, this is ubuntu support only, try #linux
[01:30] <cjae> man this thing is slow, is there a way to see of  its still booting?
[01:30] <Nirvash> You could try "esc" to get messages. It's worked for me before, but I'm not sure if it is supposed to lol
[01:30] <cjae> tried to go to crt alt f1 but is only a blank screen
[01:30] <trxicon> thanks i tried thing is im a noob to irc and i think i have to register
[01:31] <trxicon> cuz i couldnt speak
[01:31] <cjae> stdin error
[01:32] <cjae> get pwuid_r failed due to unknown user
[01:32] <cjae> id
[01:34] <dr_willis> sounds like you got some deep issues cjae
[01:35] <cjae> hahaha you have no idea :p
[01:36] <OpenSorce> Wow... I just noticed the lack of the word "Linux" on most of Ubuntu's pages on ubuntu.com. A bit presumptuous I think....
[01:37] <Nirvash> OpenSorce: Ubuntu isn't Linux. It's Ubuntu. It's *never* been Linux. @_@ Do not question the Ubuntu overlords.
[01:37] <PDun> lmao
[01:38] <OerHeks> oh ubuntu isn't linux ..  is it windows ?
[01:38] <Nirvash> >_< T'was a joke.
[01:39] <OpenSorce> Linux voenoe 3.2.0-34-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 15 10:49:02 UTC 2012 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[01:39] <OpenSorce> I beg to differ :-P
[01:39] <lobhater> what happens when a computer resumes in 12.04, there is a dir that it executes all scripts present. anyone remember?
[01:40] <dr_willis> lobhater:  id check askubuntu.com i never use resume. ;) too many hassles.
[01:40] <OerHeks> lobhater, they are in  /etc/pm/sleep.d if i recall corect
[01:41] <dr_willis> i dont seem to have any rules in sleep.d by default
[01:41] <dr_willis> oh there they are. ;)
[01:42] <lobhater> OerHeks: yea that is one place, there is another place too thought.  i added a magic modprobe line somewhere and cant find it now.  i really need it lol.  i am grepping for modprobe now but there are just so many
[01:43] <lobhater> i finally got suspend to work perfect with that line but now i cant find it and need to replicate it
[01:43] <bluezone> My mouse sensitivity and acceleration are both set to the lowest possible in the 'mouse and touchpad' settings yet my mouse speed is still too FAST, is there any way to decrease them further?
[01:45] <Nirvash> What kind of mouse?
[01:45] <bluezone> Nirvash, it's a dell but i have the problem with every mouse i use, and i've also had the same problem in the past :P
[01:46] <bluezone> i just like very slow mouse sensitivity
[01:46] <Nirvash> Are you sure that it is accepting the settings? Have you looked for the values in terminal?
[01:46] <bluezone> no i haven't looked at the values, i don't know how
[01:46] <Nirvash> Hmm... give me a second
[01:47] <bluezone> Nirvash, but it does seem to be responding when i increase the values :)
[01:47] <x0auser> HI all, why when i'm updating nvidia driver i lost my 1920*1200 resolution ? how can i update it whitout lost anything ?
[01:47] <bluezone> x0auser, you mean howto change your resolution?
[01:49] <x0auser> no, when i use the old version of the driver i can have the 1920*1200 resolution but when i update it i can only get 1920*1080 so the screen is pushed into the left
[01:50] <Nirvash> http://patrickmylund.com/blog/lowering-gaming-mouse-sensitivity-in-ubuntu-9-10/
[01:50] <Nirvash> Bluezone ^^
[01:51] <x0auser> installing the new driver and pasting the old xorg.conf will do it ?
[01:52] <dr_willis> actually you tried just not using an xorg.conf at all>
[01:52] <dr_willis> You may want to rename your users .nvidia-settings-rc  if they have one also to try to reset things
[01:54] <ivotkl> Any news about this?
[01:54] <ivotkl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12431669#post12431669
[01:54] <dr_willis> you could at least summerize the thread/problem.
[01:55] <x0auser> Ok thanks for helps guys
[01:56] <Philippa_> I'm just getting my ARM chromebook set up, am I totally SOL re Dropbox?
[01:56] <KM0201> why would you be totally SOL Philippa_ ?
[01:56] <Philippa_> KM0201: apparently I have no source for the nautilus-dropbox package
[01:57] <alcaprawn> what drivers, do i need to install for ati hd6870? the ones from ubuntu-repo messed up my system.
[01:57] <KM0201> are you just using the "free" dropbox?
[01:57] <HackinBlack> is there a way to disable grub so i can boot right into windows. Reason is i need to send laptop in for a repair and they cant see ubuntu
[01:57] <Philippa_> not sure what you mean: I'm trying to grab the one the Software Center offers
[01:57] <KM0201> HackinBlack: if the laptop is being "repaired".. they're going to "see" ubuntu.
[01:58] <melkor> Broke my system is there a way to reconfigure my graphics card and xorg and such?
[01:58] <Philippa_> Dropbox themselves don't appear to offer ARM binaries (unless you're running Android or iOS, anyway)
[01:58] <alcaprawn> what drivers, do i need to install for ati hd6870? the ones from ubuntu-repo messed up my system.
[01:58] <HackinBlack> I dont care if they see it i just need grub disabled.  If relevant, I'm on Precise
[01:58] <HackinBlack> Oerheks how whats the command im in windows right now
[01:59] <Philippa_> (and I'm assuming others're potentially going to see this: if you dunno, you dunno)
[01:59] <KM0201> i dunno Philippa_ .. i know there was some probs w/ Dropbox and Ubuntu in previous versions.. so i just switched to UbuntuOne... problem solved
[01:59] <OerHeks> HackinBlack, with your cd? at the point 'install windows' you have an option to repair
[01:59] <KM0201> plus, if you have a free account, you get more space
[02:00] <Philippa_> heh, does UbuntuOne have 'dows and 'droid support? (which is to say, I think I'm SOL, anyway)
[02:00] <HackinBlack> Alright oerheks ill look into it
[02:00] <KM0201> Philippa_: not sure to be honest
[02:00] <melkor> My screen, graphics card and input device could not be detected correctly. I removed some packages I shouldn't have, then reinstalled them and I now have the same error.
[02:00] <KM0201> Philippa_: yes, it has an android app
[02:01] <KM0201> https://one.ubuntu.com/downloads/
[02:01] <melkor> It is a screen with an ok button that I cannot click because I have no input devices. I can however change ttys which is how I got here.
[02:01] <OerHeks> Philippa_, sure, win/mac/droid > https://one.ubuntu.com/downloads/
[02:01] <dr_willis> Ubuntu One has windows and Android clients
[02:01] <Philippa_> cool, I'll bear that in mind
[02:01] <KM0201> dr_jesus: yeah, i figured it did, just wasn't sure.
[02:01] <XMLnewbi> I think im getting an error with this, $USD = ($intake * $amount)/100000000;   it php, is there a better way to move a decimal place?;
[02:02] <melkor> Ill be back, I want to restart in recovery mode to see if that helps.
[02:02] <jamie_> Could someone help me please?
[02:02] <dr_willis> jamie_:  with?
[02:03] <jamie_> I'm following the official xampp's website about installing the gzipped xampp
[02:03] <jamie_> But I don't know what it's asking me to do.
[02:03] <jamie_> It's telling me to use tar xvfz (filename) -C /opt but the terminal is telling me the dir doesn't exist.
[02:03] <dr_willis> jamie_:  i would say make the /opt/ directory then?
[02:03] <jamie_> It exists.
[02:04] <dr_willis> then you are doing a typo would be guess #2.
[02:04] <jamie_> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html#374
[02:04] <jamie_> That's the site.
[02:04] <dr_willis> and most likely you need to be root to write in the /opt/ dir.
[02:04] <jamie_> I'm root, I just rooted myself with sudo su
[02:04] <dr_willis> You really shoul dbe using the ubuntu lampp stuff i belive. Not xampp anyway if you want support in here.
[02:04] <OerHeks> use lamp, xampp is bad
[02:05] <dr_willis> dont use 'sudo su' either.. sudo -i or sudo -s
[02:05] <dr_willis> !sudo
[02:05] <dr_willis> !lamp
[02:05] <jamie_> I'll read that instead.
[02:05] <jamie_> Thanks.
[02:05] <El-E-Va-Tion> anyone here know much about installing wireless drivers for 12.10?
[02:05] <goddard> is it any easier to install ubuntu on a mac yet
[02:05] <bluezone> dr_willis: what's the difference between those sudo commands?
[02:06] <dr_willis> bluezone:  somthing with the system variables/enviroment.. i never can rember when you would want one or the other.
[02:06] <dr_willis> try one. see what 'set' says.. try other/ ;) compare set output
[02:06] <bluezone> ah, i just prefix everything with sudo :S
[02:06] <El-E-Va-Tion> I'm trying to install the realtek rtl8723ae wireleass lan on 12.10 and it's not recognized
[02:07] <El-E-Va-Tion> oops wireless lol
[02:07] <Philippa_> El-E-Va-Tion: nothing like a good ol'fashioned fraudian typo, huh? :-)
[02:07] <dr_willis> did it compile and install? did you modprobe the module?
[02:09] <El-E-Va-Tion> haha yep, it compiled and seemed to install, but the modprobe does this:  pastebin.com/dTNV0ReJ
[02:09] <bluezone> i can't stand how i can't download something using the software center while apt-get is doing some installation lol
[02:10] <El-E-Va-Tion> here's the instructions I used:  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/215727
[02:11] <far3> hello guys
[02:11] <El-E-Va-Tion> hi far3 :)
[02:14] <El-E-Va-Tion> http://askubuntu.com/questions/139632/wireless-card-realtek-rtl8723ae-bt-is-not-recognized is the other one I tried, which also didn't work
[02:14] <El-E-Va-Tion> can anybody help me out for a few please?
[02:17] <Cong> jocky-gtk is broken. how do I install b43 drivers?
[02:20] <dr_willis> figure ouyt what package it is and use apt-get Cong  (no i dont know what one it is)
[02:20] <dr_willis> !b43
[02:20] <zebulun> hi
[02:20] <zebulun> anyone can help me run steam?
[02:20] <dr_willis> zebulun:  theres #ubuntu-steam
[02:20] <Cong> do I need b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer?
[02:21] <zebulun> dr_willis: no reply :(
[02:21] <dr_willis> Cong:  one may actually pull in the other.
[02:21] <dr_willis> firmware-b43-installer  i imagine installs   b43-fwcutter
[02:22] <dr_willis> or depends on it.
[02:24] <Cong> jockey-gtk is broken. how do I fix it?
[02:24] <dr_willis> well.. given the vague details.. ;) no idea.
[02:25] <dr_willis> whats broken about it...
[02:25] <Cong> apt-get reinstall jockey-gtk?
[02:25] <Cong> It won't open.
[02:25] <dr_willis> and your ubuntu version is?
[02:25] <dr_willis> and you run it from terminal and it says?
[02:25] <Cong> 12.04.1
[02:26] <Cong> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/1483708/
[02:26] <KxTwo> so I decided to try LXDE.  its pretty fast but I cant figure out how to get it to display psensors temp in the task bar?  Also it came with openbox and GNOME/openbox but not entirely sure how to use them lol
[02:27] <El-E-Va-Tion> it won't show up in the network connections
[02:27] <El-E-Va-Tion> when I run it from terminal it says this
[02:27] <dr_willis> openbox is just the openbox window manager. you select at the lightdm screen
[02:27] <dr_willis> openbox-gnome used to be gnome2 with the openbox wm instead of metacity.. but no idea if thats the case any more
[02:27] <dr_willis> seelct it at the lightdm login screne and see
[02:27] <KxTwo> im assuming its for more advanced users as I had no idea how to do anything with it
[02:28] <KxTwo> dr_willis, what is lightdm?
[02:28] <KxTwo> dr_willis, if you are talking about the primary login screen ive tried all three optiosn, im on lxde right now as it was the only one I coulf figure out how to do anything with
[02:29] <KxTwo> just trying to expand my knowledge of other DE's.
[02:29] <KxTwo> nvm on lightdm looking it up!
[02:31] <El-E-Va-Tion> dr_willis it says this:  pastebin.com/-cTfhQ33
[02:31] <El-E-Va-Tion> dr_willis it says this:  pastebin.com/0cTfhQ33
[02:33] <dr_willis> El-E-Va-Tion:  means nothing to me. I always buy wifi stuff thats supported out of the box.
[02:34] <El-E-Va-Tion> ok, thanks anyway
[02:35] <El-E-Va-Tion> it was a pain just to get the ethernet card working, but at least that works now lol
[02:35] <dr_willis> its an odd wired nic that dosent just work.. unless its like real real real new.
[02:36] <dr_willis> or had broken drivers. ;)
[02:36] <El-E-Va-Tion> yep, it's on toshiba
[02:37] <dr_willis> Toshiba makes a lot of things. ;)  Thats like saying its on a computer.
[02:37] <ivotkl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12431669#post12431669 If you know any workaround to this, please post it on forums. =)
[02:37] <El-E-Va-Tion> had to use a usb ethernet cable to revert the drivers to the old kernel lol
[02:37] <ivotkl> Happy new year!
[02:37] <El-E-Va-Tion> not when they only make toshiba laptops :)
[02:37] <El-E-Va-Tion> unless some people run ubuntu on their toshiba smart tvs lol
[02:37] <dr_willis> ivotkl:  you could at least summarize the thread. People normally dont just go read threads  if they have no idea of the topic.
[02:38] <dr_willis> Most of the laptop makers just get them from whitebox type laptop makers with special changes. My Toshiba laptop worked very well. :) it was a Huge beast of a laptop.. a definate Desktop replacement.
[02:39] <El-E-Va-Tion> that's great, what version of ubuntu do you run?
[02:39] <El-E-Va-Tion> I should probably just run 12.04, it would be a lot easier for compatibility
[02:39] <dr_willis> I always use the latest release normally.
[02:39] <dr_willis> it depends on the age of your hardware.
[02:39] <El-E-Va-Tion> a lot of people have had problems after they upgraded 12.10
[02:39] <El-E-Va-Tion> the laptop is a 2012 model
[02:39] <dr_willis> if your Hardware came out after 12.04 was released  i bet 12.10 would run better
[02:39] <El-E-Va-Tion> in this case it doesn't run at all
[02:39] <dr_willis> I always do clean installs. very few issues with 12.10 at all.
[02:40] <El-E-Va-Tion> at least not until I figure out how to all this compiling junk works and why it's not working right
[02:40] <El-E-Va-Tion> lol
[02:41] <Cong> where are users and groups or gnome-system-tools?
[02:41] <El-E-Va-Tion> is there a way to reset all of the drivers to default kernel settings, or a system restore thing?
[02:41] <Cong> I wanna add a group.
[02:41] <El-E-Va-Tion> I just installed yesterday
[02:41] <Philippa_> dear Adobe: "Linux, 32-bit" may be underspecified
[02:42] <ivotkl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12431669 Windows XP blinking cursor after choosing it from GRUB, I already tried Boot Repair and some ideas given by chat with elfy
[02:42] <bluezone> Philippa_, adobe doesn't care :D
[02:42] <ivotkl> but none has worked.
[02:42] <donnie>  I have dosfstools. Should I install the debug as well? I have an SD card that's not being read by a device and it's Fat32 as well
[02:42] <OerHeks> Cong, users & groups is not installed by default, sudo apt-get install  gnome-system-tools
[02:43] <Philippa_> bluezone: no news there
[02:43] <Philippa_> ...okay, I gotta try DOSbox on this thing
[02:43] <Cong> Why can't I find it in the software centre, derheks?
[02:43] <OerHeks> Cong dunno
[02:44] <bluezone> Philippa_, i remember in the early days of premiere when it would take hours to render black video lolol
[02:58] <dr_willis> hmm
[03:00] <El-E-Va-Tion> happy new year all, peace! :) thx again dr willis!
[03:03] <Ganymede> Hello, how can I determine which Ubuntu release had a mysql-server version in the 4.1 series equal to or newer than 4.1.20? Thanks. (i.e., is there an easy way to search through http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ for version numbers?)
[03:03] <ivotkl> HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL UTC-3!!!!! XD
[03:04] <bobweaver> so close you can almost touch it lol
[03:04] <dr_willis> Ganymede:  the disrtowatch web site i recall has  listings of release/versions of specific packages on their site.
[03:06] <OerHeks> Ganymede, feisty i guess > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/i386/mysql-server-4.1
[03:07] <Ganymede> dr_willis: Thanks, but distrowatch.com seems to only list it down to 9.10/Karmic which had MySQL 5.1.
[03:07] <Ganymede> OerHeks: Thanks, let me check it out.
[03:08] <nazty> how do i set a permanent change in $PATH
[03:09] <Ganymede> nazty: For one user or system-wide?
[03:09] <nazty> one user
[03:10] <nazty> i edited my .profile
[03:10] <nazty> but whenever i opened up a new Konsole or terminal it changes back
[03:10] <arashi256> @nazty append "export PATH=$PATH:/your/path/here" to $HOME/.bash_profile
[03:11] <Ganymede> nazty: I think you should avoid .bash_profile. .pam_environment is probably what you want (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#Session-wide_environment_variables)
[03:11] <Ganymede> PATH DEFAULT=${PATH}:~/MyPrograms in ~/.pam_environment
[03:12] <arashi256> @Ganymede - why do you say that?
[03:13] <backtrack> !
[03:14] <Ganymede> arashi256: Because the URL I linked to says that. I personally prefer doing environment variables in my .zshrc so I can have more logic in there, if statements and whatnot.
[03:18] <KxTwo> Ok I think gnome classic is the way to go!  Anyone familiar with psensor with gnome classic?  I cant seem to get it to display the cpu temp without showing the window.  Aka I want it to show it in the menu bar
[03:21] <hackinblack> Hello
[03:22] <amit_> Hello !
[03:22] <hackinblack> Happy new years
[03:23] <amit_> Same To You :)
[03:23] <KxTwo> crap
[03:23] <KxTwo> alt tab doesnt work in gnome classic
[03:24] <MoL0ToV> yes works
[03:24] <MoL0ToV> i use it
[03:27] <Ruoyu> Hi, how do I install GUI on Ubuntu server?
[03:27] <Ruoyu> oracle needs it
[03:27] <ivotkl> Kxtwo, have you tried lmsensors? I don't know full command line for it to show on the menu bar or its equivalent GUI program. Are you going through some temperature issues?
[03:28] <ivotkl> KxTwo, it definitely works. I use it as well.
[03:28] <ivotkl> Happy new year hackinblack!
[03:28] <Success> Ruoyu, why did yuo get a server if you want a gui
[03:28] <KxTwo> ivotkl, I have int eh past on thsi laptop so I always like real time monitoring.  psensor is a graphical front end for lmsensor and with unity once you close the actual window it has an icon in the menu bar that displays the temperature.
[03:28] <Success> GUI is bad for yuor server
[03:29] <Ruoyu> Success: I don't need GUI, but Oracle needs it
[03:29] <Ruoyu> Success: without GUI, oracle will not install
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> lolk
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> why do all dbas think that
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> you can use answer files to install oracle no gui
[03:30] <SolarisBoy> dbas just say that so sysadmins have to install X on perfectly fine servers to make their life easier
[03:30] <Success> Ruoyo, sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop; startx
[03:30] <SolarisBoy> or just xlibs...
[03:30] <Ruoyu> Success: thank you , trying now.
[03:33] <hackinblack> c
[03:33] <Ruoyu> GUI is not something wrong BTW. redhat/debian installs GUI by default. sometimes we might be in dire need of it
[03:34] <hackinblack> How easy is it to see ubuntu on windows if I'm sending it in for repair my laptop
[03:34] <Success> hackinblack: when you turn it on it shows up, first thing almost
[03:37] <ivotkl> Anyone has some idea about XP showing only a blinking cursor when being selected on GRUB2 bootloader?
[03:38] <MoL0ToV> ivotkl, no is strange error
[03:38] <MoL0ToV> you can boot into ubuntu
[03:38] <MoL0ToV> then do
[03:38] <FaptainAwesome> how do i mount my windows partition? it's been so long since i've linuxed :/
[03:38] <MoL0ToV> sudo update-grub
[03:38] <MoL0ToV> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[03:38] <MoL0ToV> or your sdX hard disk
[03:40] <FaptainAwesome> oh jeez
[03:40] <FaptainAwesome> i'm such an idiot
[03:40] <FaptainAwesome> it was already mounted...
[03:40] <MoL0ToV> there are some opensource girls??? :D
[03:41] <FaptainAwesome> sounds like a mytch
[03:41] <FaptainAwesome> myth.
[03:41] <JC_SoCal> If i download and use the minimal 10.04 iso ... Once installed, how to I get to to the same state as if I installed 10.04-desktop? or 10.04-server
[03:42] <MoL0ToV> 10.04 is very old you must upgrade
[03:43] <KxTwo> can anyone tell me how to fix alt tab not working in gnome classic?
[03:43] <MoL0ToV> KxTwo, also mine dont' work
[03:43] <MoL0ToV> i see that on google there are various solutions
[03:44] <MoL0ToV> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968630
[03:46] <JC_SoCal> MoL0ToV: yeah it is old =( lts ends middle of '13 yeah?
[03:47] <JC_SoCal> MoL0ToV: however, my issue isn't if it is old, my question is out to get it up to the -desktop or -server standard install equivilent
[03:50] <OerHeks> JC_SoCal, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:50] <JC_SoCal> OerHeks: of course its that easy
[03:50] <JC_SoCal> thx!
[03:50] <OerHeks> have fun
[03:54] <Ganymede> OerHeks: Hey, I set up fiesty and did sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 but it pulled in 5.0...looks like 4.1 was just a transitional package name.
[03:59] <OerHeks> Ganymede, maybe edgy 6.10 does have it ?
[04:00] <OerHeks> Ganymede, a quick search learns me i can't find a version before 5.0
[04:00] <MonkWitDaFunk> yay! i have ubuntu 12.04 Lts on CDRom
[04:01] <MonkWitDaFunk> the very first Lts version burned by me
[04:01] <Ransom85> ok, so... ubuntu tablet coming?
[04:01] <Linux-Dude> Only if you rm -rf /
[04:01] <Linux-Dude> now
[04:01] <Linux-Dude> right now
[04:01] <Linux-Dude> do it
[04:01] <FloodBot1> Linux-Dude: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:01] <OerHeks> !danger
[04:01] <Linux-Dude> Fuck you
[04:02] <MonkWitDaFunk> ubuntu for.amd64 should.be the better performer because of its 64bit instruction set. is that correct
[04:03] <OerHeks> MonkWitDaFunk, yes, you have full functions of your system
[04:04] <MonkWitDaFunk> im beginning to gain an interest in programming which.includes.linux
[04:04] <Ganymede> OerHeks: Trying Edgy now...
[04:04] <OerHeks> Random832, if you refer to the website with countdown, wait and see
[04:05] <OerHeks> sorry Random832 , was for Ransom85
[04:05] <Ransom85> OerHeks: That is lame, and not in the culture of openness that Linux embodies
[04:06] <Ransom85> I mean, what is this, Apple?
[04:06] <Ransom85> Also: I hope that it is really cool
[04:06] <Ransom85> and not lame
[04:06] <Ransom85> like the surface
[04:07] <OerHeks> Ransom85, there must be a reason, like 13.04 is in more closed development > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1200
[04:08] <IdleOne> Ransom85: if you are talking about the ubuntu.com clock countdown. We have the exact same amount of info as everybody else has, none. Also this discussion is off topic for #ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss to continue.
[04:09] <Ransom85> I'm sorry, what is on the ubuntu front page is offtopic for ubuntu?
[04:09] <MoL0ToV> IdleOne, what is the countdown for?
[04:10] <Ransom85> this is directly relevant to ubuntu
[04:10] <IdleOne> MoL0ToV: again, off topic, but there will be an announcement made on the 2nd jan
[04:10] <OerHeks> As we don't know either, further speculation is no ubuntu support
[04:10] <IdleOne> Ransom85: This channel is for Ubuntu support, not discussion
[04:10] <MoL0ToV> ok i can wait :)
[04:11] <MoL0ToV> more vagina, minus closed-source for all!!! :D
[04:11] <MoL0ToV> bye to all  and good 2013:D
[04:12] <MoL0ToV> doh! what i say?
[04:12] <ivotkl> Good 2013 Molotov!
[04:12] <IdleOne> read the guidelines the bot linked you.
[04:13] <ivotkl> offensive language, I believe.
[04:13] <ivotkl> the V word
[04:13] <MonkWitDaFunk> would anyone like to discuss the benefits of six sata interfaces? i want to fill them.all up and decide if they should be all for the ext4 Filesystem
[04:14] <IdleOne> MonkWitDaFunk: discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:14] <MonkWitDaFunk> i.need.more.disks and i.want to know which filesystems
[04:14] <MoL0ToV> what are offensive??
[04:14] <MoL0ToV> i read the guidelines and i'm sure not to violate...
[04:14] <KxTwo> ok trying lxde now
[04:15] <taofd> @MoL0ToV i think it was your language
[04:15] <MoL0ToV> bye and goodnight!
[04:15] <MoL0ToV> :)
[04:15] <MoL0ToV> i sayed: <MoL0ToV> more vagina, minus closed-source for all!!! :D << this is not offensive
[04:16] <dr_willis> dosent even make sence...
[04:17] <MonkWitDaFunk> hi dr willis
[04:17] <MonkWitDaFunk> would.you like to.chat about more.disks.and filesystems?
[04:17] <dr_willis> whats to discuss... add more disks.. fill them up.. buy more...
[04:18] <Ganymede> Ugh, Edgy doesn't have MySQL 4.1 in the repos either. I'm just going back installing each Ubuntu version one by one at this point.
[04:18] <IdleOne> edgy hasn't been supported since 2008
[04:19] <kujablak> Hi, I'd like to set up a shared folder with two computers, both are connected to the same router but one is connected via ethernet and the other one wifi, how do I do that ?
[04:19] <dr_willis> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu shows mysql versions in differnt releases.. up to a point
[04:19] <wanfuse> can anyone tell me what the draw back of getting a cheap SSL certificate from cheapssls.com or gotrust or other cheap local?
[04:20] <dr_willis> kujablak:  same as if they were wired.. it dosent matter. What OS is on each pc matters
[04:20] <IdleOne> wanfuse: what does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[04:20] <wanfuse> verisign wants 230 bucks for theres..wondering what the difference is
[04:20] <kujablak> dr_willis, one on ubuntu other one on mint
[04:20] <wanfuse> installing it on a ubuntu server thats all
[04:20] <IdleOne> right, but not an ubuntu issue is it
[04:21] <dr_willis> kujablak:  samba, nfs, ssh/sshfs - all can work
[04:21] <wanfuse> ok, IdleOne is there an ssl group?
[04:21] <IdleOne> !alis
[04:21] <IdleOne> there may be
[04:23] <kujablak> dr_willis, do I have to set up an OpenSSH server ?
[04:25] <dr_willis> kujablak:  if you want to use ssh/sshfs.. yes.. sort of logical :)
[04:26] <dr_willis> kujablak:  with a lan of  linux machines.. ssh is worth learning
[04:26] <kujablak> dr_willis, I'll try and find a tutorial
[04:31] <MonkWitDaFunk> does samba use secure shell?
[04:31] <Ganymede> Okay, thanks all for the help, I'm just going to give up because it's taking up too much time and effort.
[04:32] <Ganymede> MonkWitDaFunk: No, Samba uses the SMB/CIFS (Server message block / Common Internet file system) protocol or the SMB2 protocol.
[04:32] <beandog> although
[04:32] <trisquel> hola
[04:32] <beandog> strictly speaking, you COULD tunnel it over SSH
[04:32] <beandog> but, that'd be insane.
[04:33] <phiberoptik> Bonsoir :)
[04:33] <MonkeyDust> Ganymede  CIFS is similar to NF, not to samba
[04:33] <MonkeyDust> NSF*
[04:33] <MonkWitDaFunk> that would be.the new standard eh.
[04:33] <beandog> Ganymede: what are you trying to do?
[04:33] <Ganymede> MonkWitDaFunk: Of course, in the sense that CIFS and SMB are protocols while Samba is a software package.
[04:33] <phiberoptik> ubuntu-fr?
[04:34] <Ganymede> beandog: Don't worry about it, I already gave up. But I was trying to get a MySQL 4.1 server up and running without doing too much tinkering, hoping some Ubuntu version had in the repos out-of-the-box.
[04:34] <MonkWitDaFunk> what software.uses secure shell?
[04:34] <Ganymede> (Well...old-releases.ubuntu.com isn't out of the box, but whatever).
[04:34] <MonkeyDust> Ganymede  no, SMB (samba) is a protocol too
[04:34] <beandog> Ganymede: oh, yah ... you need TurnKey Linux.  Install, done.
[04:34] <beandog> And it's ubuntu
[04:34] <ivotkl> anyone knows about blinking cursor when selecting XP on GRUB2? It won't go past that point.
[04:34] <dr_willis> MySQL4.x is like real real old isent it?
[04:35] <beandog> yes.
[04:35] <beandog> 5.0 is old
[04:35] <beandog> 5.1 is old.
[04:35] <Ganymede> beandog: Ah, that's good to know, I never actually noticed it wasn't capitalized.
[04:35] <beandog> Ganymede: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/mysql
[04:35] <Ganymede> MonkeyDust: So again, you're just repeating what I'm saying.
[04:35] <OerHeks> 6.10 or 7.04 feisty, dr_willis
[04:35] <Ganymede> MonkeyDust: SMB is a protocol, Samba is not.
[04:35] <dr_willis> distrowatch site didenen even list any with mysql that old. ;)
[04:35] <phiberoptik> link to ubuntu-fr please
[04:35] <OerHeks> beandog, if you suggest that, mention that it is not supported here
[04:36] <dr_willis> !fr
[04:36] <phiberoptik> tanks :)
[04:36] <Ganymede> beandog: Okay, I should clarify that "out-of-the-box" wasn't the important part, but "4.1" was.
[04:36] <ivotkl> anyone?
[04:37] <beandog> Ganymede: 4.1? o.O
[04:37] <chaospsychex> can someone help me determine if ubuntu is loading the VESA driver because I can't get high resolutions...
[04:37] <dr_willis> ivotkl:  either the xp install is broken. or grub is using the wrong options to boot it.
[04:37] <beandog> someone help ivotkl
[04:37] <beandog> I'm going home
[04:37] <ivotkl> XD
[04:37] <ivotkl> Thanks.
[04:37] <Ganymede> beandog: Yeah, was trying to recover MYI/MYD files from a really old server for which I only have filesystem access.
[04:38] <dr_willis> id try fixing the xp bootloader and get it working first. then reinstall grub after you confirm xp works
[04:38] <ivotkl> I have tried many things with elfy on private chat and I've also tried Repair Boot. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2100140
[04:38] <ivotkl> Nothing worked.
[04:38] <beandog> Ganymede: Hmm
[04:38] <beandog> Ganymede: lemme think for a second
[04:38] <ivotkl> I'll edit the post with some outputs
[04:38] <dr_willis> its possible the issue is with XP
[04:38] <dr_willis> not with grub/ubuntu
[04:38] <beandog> Ganymede: You should be able to read it with 5.0
[04:38] <Ganymede> beandog: Well...I'm not going to do any more work on this because I already exhausted my time and effort so don't worry about it. I don't want to think about this during the new years.
[04:38] <ivotkl> Darn, so how do I fix it?
[04:38] <dr_willis> id try fixing the xp bootloader and get it working first. then reinstall grub after you confirm xp works
[04:38] <beandog> Ganymede: also, try loading it, and then running mysql_upgrade
[04:39] <OerHeks> ivotkl, is it a sata disk, and did you change ide mode to AHCI ?
[04:39] <kujablak> dr_willis, that's what I get : connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[04:39] <dr_willis> kujablak:  you installed ssh server on the machine you are sshing to?
[04:39] <chaospsychex> i can't select 1280x1024 which is the highest resolution my monitor supports.....
[04:39] <ivotkl> Lemme check, I did a change for it to load XP cd or it wouldn't let me go on. It gave me a BSOD.
[04:39] <ivotkl> just a sec.
[04:39] <kujablak> dr_willis, yes
[04:40] <dr_willis> kujablak:  go to that machine and see if you can 'ssh localhost' to verify ssh is working
[04:40] <OerHeks> ivotkl, if you change it back, you cannot load ubuntu anymore, probably grub also
[04:41] <beandog> Ganymede: happy new year's buddy!  Take a break. :)
[04:42] <Ganymede> beandog: Thanks.
[04:42] <ivotkl> I know Oerheks.
[04:42] <chaospsychex> ubuntu 12.04 is incorrectly reading the EDID of my monitor, why ?
[04:42] <MonkWitDaFunk> i need help. if i have six sata disks hooked up to one board which is always going to boot ubuntu, are there any examples where not all six sata disks were not.formatted to the ext4 filesystem? i need help.
[04:43] <chaospsychex> omg
[04:43] <beandog> wait what?
[04:43] <chaospsychex> spin the barrel on your .38
[04:43] <beandog> I just ... what?
[04:43] <ivotkl> chaospychex: sometimes not reaching maximum resolution is related to  drivers. can you go to pastebin.com or some similar site you know and give us the output of sudo lshw -c video and lspci |grep OpenGL?
[04:44] <ivotkl> Do you have video card drivers installed? Are they proprietary or open source?
[04:44] <dr_willis> MonkWitDaFunk:  what FS to use.. depens on what you want to do with the disks.
[04:44] <OerHeks> !format
[04:44] <dr_willis> MonkWitDaFunk:  you could use any FS you wanted on whatever partion you want.
[04:44] <chaospsychex> ivotkl: integrated intel video gpu
[04:45] <jagginess> chaospsychex, that comes with the kernel.. to upgrade that driver you merely upgrade the kernel :)
[04:45] <chaospsychex> ivotkl: i have no proprietary drivers installed and none are available
[04:45] <MonkWitDaFunk> ok. i.got confused because somebody told.me to keep all sata disks.the same.filesystem
[04:45] <KxTwo> any opinions on lxde vs xfce?
[04:45] <beandog> what??
[04:45] <beandog> MonkWitDaFunk: that's bs
[04:45] <chaospsychex> jagginess: i shouldn't have to upgrade to a newer kernel to get ubuntu to correctly determine my monitor's EDID, 12.04
[04:46] <ivotkl> what is EDID? XD
[04:46] <dr_willis> MonkWitDaFunk:  the partitions have filesystems.. not the disk.
[04:46] <ivotkl> !EDID
[04:46] <MonkWitDaFunk> thats right
[04:46] <jagginess> chaospsychex, you can use the update software app and have checkmarked anything with 'updates'..
[04:46] <kujablak> dr_willis, ssh localhost tells me that the authenticity cannot be established, should I continue ?
[04:46] <ivotkl> bot does not know a thing about it =P
[04:46] <chaospsychex> ivotkl: if you don't know what EDID is then you can't assist me
[04:46] <OerHeks> KxTwo, lxde needs min 256 mb and xfce needs min 512 mb system memory
[04:46] <dr_willis> MonkWitDaFunk:  now the  type of disk - gpt cs msdos may matter.
[04:46] <ivotkl> hahaha, ok =P
[04:46] <jagginess> chaospsychex, not sure for 12.04, but here on 12.10 i can get kernel 3.5
[04:46] <KxTwo> OerHeks, I have 4gb
[04:47] <chaospsychex> jagginess: LOL ok.....
[04:47] <beandog> ivotkl: it's basically the monitor telling the computer what resolutions it supports.
[04:47] <dr_willis> kujablak:  thats normal for the first connection
[04:47] <jagginess> chaospsychex, systemtools/administration/softwareupdater
[04:47] <dr_willis> kujablak:  DO you want to continue? :)
[04:47] <chaospsychex> beandog: can you assist me ?
[04:47] <chaospsychex> jagginess: no
[04:47] <beandog> chaospsychex: no, I'm about to leave, sorry man
[04:47] <kujablak> dr_willis, I did, and it said Write failed: Broken pupe
[04:47] <kujablak> dr_willis, pipe*
[04:48] <dr_willis> kujablak:  thats unusual that ssh localhost would ever fail.
[04:48] <chaospsychex> beandog: you can't leave, your the only one in here who knows what EDID is....:-(
[04:48] <jagginess> chaospsychex, no what?
[04:48] <dr_willis> kujablak:  you got any other weird settings/setup on those machines?
[04:48] <jagginess> chaospsychex, edid is data information reported back from the monitor
[04:48] <jagginess> chaospsychex, intel releases patches to kernel.org
[04:48] <chaospsychex> jagginess: yes, why should i have to upgrade to a newer kernel? that is madness....
[04:48] <jagginess> chaospsychex, it is part of the kernel package
[04:48] <kujablak> dr_willis, don't think so, I did the localhost on mint, and I just installed it
[04:48] <jagginess> chaospsychex, (i said it 5 minutes ago)
[04:48] <chaospsychex> jagginess: madness
[04:49] <dr_willis> kujablak:  no idea on mint. could be firewall or other silly things mint does. try on the ubuntu box
[04:49] <jagginess> chaospsychex, bye kid.
[04:49] <chaospsychex> jagginess: lol ok guru, not
[04:49]  * jagginess ignores
[04:49]  * chaospsychex smiles and exhales
[04:49] <lobhater> where can i place a modprobe statement to ensure it is executed upon resume?
[04:50] <jagginess> lobhater, none.. but if its explicit options, then you add it to the module options file..
[04:50] <lobhater> which file is that?
[04:51] <jagginess> lobhater, if its "module options".. you passing special module options to-> modprobe <module> <options> ?
[04:51] <chaospsychex> can someone assist me on figuring out why ubuntu is incorrectly determining my monitor's EDID ? thus limiting my available resolution's ?
[04:51] <lobhater> i am just reloading my wifi driver after my laptop wakes up from suspend
[04:52] <red_> Good evening.
[04:52] <chaospsychex> wow,just wow
[04:52] <ivotkl> Oh, one more thing. I've installed AMD propirietary drivers. How do I enable them and disable the ones that come from default?
[04:52]  * chaospsychex joins #linux
[04:52] <ivotkl> *Oh, one more thing. I've installed AMD propirietary drivers. How do I enable them and disable the ones that come as default?
[04:52] <jagginess> lobhater, oh that.. that is a bit tricky.. hmm.. there's excludes you can make for some devices for sleep states but I forget exactly how it's done..   << you may want to google device skip sleep state ubuntu
[04:53] <chaospsychex> lol
[04:53] <lobhater> i have been for a couple of days, no luck
[04:53] <ivotkl> chaospsychex: could it by HW incompatibility?
[04:53] <lobhater> ill try your search terms, thanks
[04:53] <chaospsychex> ivotkl: what? LOL try again....
[04:53] <jagginess> lobhater, yeah.. i know.. it's a tough one..
[04:53] <jagginess> lobhater, usb?
[04:53] <jagginess> lobhater, usb wifi?
[04:53] <ivotkl> well dude, I'm just trying to help. There's no need for you to mock.
[04:54] <ivotkl> "<chaospsychex> ivotkl: what? LOL try again...."
[04:54] <ivotkl> ...
[04:54] <jagginess> ivotkl, just ignore him like i did.. he's mocked me too when helping him..
[04:54] <chaospsychex> ivotkl: not mocking, you asked about modules not loading...
[04:54] <red_> If anyone is willing to help me troubleshoot Ubuntu install through UEFI on my new desktop please message me. I have tried a couple techniques listed on the boards.
[04:54] <lobhater> no internal intel.  i have fixed it before but cant remember which file i added it too. iwlwifi is the driver
[04:54] <chaospsychex> or trying to prevent a certain module from loading
[04:55] <jagginess> red_, you have your efi on "strict efi" or "hybrid bios" ?
[04:55] <jagginess> red_,  (check your efi/bios settings)
[04:55] <red_> i disabled secure
[04:55] <chaospsychex> ivotkl: you can blacklist the module you don't won't loading at boot
[04:55] <red_> And booted usb through efi
[04:55] <red_> I think I fucked up partitioning
[04:55] <jagginess> red_, yeah.. but is the "efi/bios" set on "strict efi" or "hybrid bios" ?
[04:55] <jagginess> red_, dont worry about partitioning atm..
[04:56] <jagginess> red_, tell me the motherboard i can see if its mentioned the default in the manual..
[04:57] <red_> One moment. bear with me  and thanks
[04:58] <red_> Angelica 2 M3970AM-HP
[04:58] <lobhater> whne using grep is there a way to have it NOT display "error" messages. like "not a file or directory" or "permission denied" even when running as root?
[04:58] <lobhater> only display positive results
[05:00] <lobhater> # grep -rl "iwlwifi" /etc         and only display hits
[05:01] <chaz> idk
[05:02] <lobhater> wow silence, that is unlike this channel lol
[05:02] <LASTofS> hny east coast~
[05:02] <jagginess> ivotkl, http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkjr4l5aFdzqOQPtvX6VtXdSFpxWWWrR-
[05:02] <dfcnvt> Happy New Year!
[05:03] <red_> Same to you!
[05:03] <red_> Fireworks are booming
[05:04] <chaz> 2013!
[05:04] <KxTwo> is there a reason why xfce isnt in the software center?
[05:04] <OerHeks> KxTwo, it is xubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <KxTwo> im really strugging tryin to figure out which DE to use.  Im about to uninstall everything and just stick with unity lol
[05:06] <jagginess> red_, i cant seem to find anything mentioned about it in the manuals..
[05:06] <red_> I am able to boot up, but no root system is detected.
[05:06] <red_> I switched from 12.10 down to 12.04
[05:06] <jagginess> red_, perhaps if there's an "Advanced" option in the bios? just be sure you check any "advanced settings" and anything to do with "strict efi" or "Hybrid bios" <<
[05:06] <KxTwo> red_, I just did that as well.  12.10 was giving me problems
[05:06] <jagginess> red_, boot-up from cd only?
[05:07] <jagginess> red_, (I mean you can boot up from cd only?)
[05:08] <red_> I am booting from usb. I didnt have any cds. The installation isnt recognizing any partition. However the partioner is started its just hanging.
[05:08] <red_> haha
[05:09] <red_> and ubiquity keeps crashing
[05:09] <red_> Windows 8 was unbearable
[05:10] <kujablak> dr_willis, got tired of open ssh, will try it later, actually mint had a really simple interface to use so I did that
[05:10] <KxTwo> I havent treid windows 8 yet I heard it was so bad
[05:11] <dr_willis> kujablak:  takes me all of 60 seconds to set up ssh on my 2 pcs and get stuff going.
[05:12] <kujablak> dr_willis, sure but I'm way too tired to try and find out why openssh won't work, it's probably nothing to do with it anyway, this machine is running maverick so I won't insist
[05:19] <jagginess> red_, is the drive set on "AHCI" or "Native IDE" ?
[05:20] <f00l> help me pls ....how can i install comgt tool manually
[05:21] <replica> hey ! jagginess
[05:21] <jagginess> replica, hi man.. happy new year
[05:21] <replica> happy new year jAGGINESS !
[05:22] <OerHeks> !info comgt
[05:22] <OerHeks> fool sudo apt-get install comgt
[05:24] <mauryaarun> Wishing All Linux users A Very Happy New Year!!!!
[05:26] <MonkWitDaFunk> excuse me. is canonical.a publisher of textbooks?
[05:28] <OerHeks> not that i know of, MonkWitDaFunk
[05:28] <HaiKaiDo> i have a question about adding ppa's
[05:29] <lemonsparrow> what chmod should I apply to get drwxrwxr-x permission on a folder ?
[05:29] <HaiKaiDo> i ran sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-nexus7/ubuntu-nexus7-installer
[05:29] <HaiKaiDo> and it went fine
[05:29] <HaiKaiDo> but when i try to then run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-nexus7-installer
[05:29] <HaiKaiDo> i get a cant find package
[05:29] <HaiKaiDo> which is what i added the ppa for
[05:29] <HaiKaiDo> am i missing something?
[05:30] <HaiKaiDo> oh i also did the sudo apt-get update
[05:30]  * angelpossum hands everyone 4shots of 30% vodka
[05:30] <angelpossum> to the new year
[05:30] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, after adding the ppa, run: sudo apt-get update  ( to refresh the repolist)
[05:31] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, they you can install it
[05:31] <HaiKaiDo> mhmm, I have indeed done that as well
[05:31] <HaiKaiDo> but it still refuses to find the package
[05:32] <HaiKaiDo> is there any way i can check a file to make sure that the ppa was indeed added?
[05:33] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, open softwarecentre > edit > sources to see if it is added, but if it did not, you would have got an error
[05:34] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, you might want to search tru softwarecentre for that package and click it
[05:35] <mah454> but not work !
[05:35] <mah454> I want to limit max logins peer user in vsftpd I add this line in /etc/security/limits.conf "username hard maxlogins 1" , and this line in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd : "session required pam_limits.so"
[05:35] <mah454> but not work !
[05:36] <HaiKaiDo> weird
[05:36] <HaiKaiDo> I see that its there
[05:36] <HaiKaiDo> but when i search for the package in software center it doesnt show up
[05:36] <HaiKaiDo> strange
[05:37] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, what ubuntu version do you use ?
[05:37] <HaiKaiDo> 10.04 Lts
[05:38] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, ah, there is no Lucid 10.04 version > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7/+archive/ubuntu-nexus7-installer?field.series_filter=lucid
[05:39] <HaiKaiDo> hmm
[05:39] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, only Quantal 12.10, Precise 12.04 & beta-Raring 13.04
[05:40] <HaiKaiDo> I did know that it said only 12.04 and above, but i spoke with someone in here a few days ago that said as long as i had adb and fastboot running on my distro (which i do) the package would install
[05:40] <HaiKaiDo> can i add the ppa for 12.04 on my current 10.04?
[05:41] <OerHeks> No :-(
[05:41] <HaiKaiDo> bummer
[05:41] <HaiKaiDo> alright well thanks for the info, back to the drawing board hah
[05:41] <OerHeks> HaiKaiDo, i suggest upgrade to 12.04
[05:42] <HaiKaiDo> I really dont like the newer ubuntu revisions
[05:42] <HaiKaiDo> im a die hard 10.04 Gnome user lol
[05:42] <HaiKaiDo> im not a fan of unity at all
[05:42] <HaiKaiDo> and my only gone alternative is Cinnamon
[05:42] <HaiKaiDo> *Gnome
[05:43] <jagginess> HaiKaiDo, yeah.. there's a package called mate-desktop (if i recall), and you can click on the logon gear to choose it
[05:43] <jagginess> HaiKaiDo, (after you install it of course)
[05:44] <HaiKaiDo> hmm ive heard of mate
[05:44]  * jagginess uses gnome-fallback
[05:44] <HaiKaiDo> whats it like?
[05:44] <HaiKaiDo> also, gnome-fallback?
[05:44] <HaiKaiDo> will that allow me to use gnome 2.0/gtk themes?
[05:44] <jagginess> yeah.. gnome-fallback is like mate-desktop
[05:45] <jagginess> It's gnome3 but in fallback/classic mode..
[05:45] <HaiKaiDo> ahh
[05:45] <jagginess> there's about 2 ways of enabling it.. (there's full of easy 2 steps on how to do it)
[05:45] <HaiKaiDo> will it let me use legacy gtk themes?
[05:45] <jagginess> one way is using dconf..
[05:45] <jagginess> dunno..
[05:46] <jagginess> you'll have to check out all that stuff.. i just like the traditional panel bars and startmenu
[05:46] <jagginess> (also with gnomeclassic/fallback,  you can 'enable' desktop icons with dconf)
[05:48] <HaiKaiDo> well lets see
[05:48] <Fudge> anyone know how to successfully make a printer work from windows using cups. i shared my usb printer on my ubuntu server with cups, works on my ubuntu desktop but not windows laptop. just wants to use the image writer instead
[05:48] <HaiKaiDo> i think i have ubuntu installed on my pc as well on another drive.
[05:48] <HaiKaiDo> brb
[05:50] <dr_willis> Fudge:  I recall having to get samba shares working first. or enabling somthing in the cups config/web interface. been ages since i last messed with shareing that way
[05:50] <dr_willis> cups web interface ->  http://localhost:631
[05:51] <dr_willis> These days - my printer has built in wifi/network/shareing. ;)
[05:53] <jagginess> ivotkl, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqlc_5bqId8
[05:57] <ivotkl> Thanks
[05:58] <KxTwo> ok so maybe unity is the way to go lol
[05:59] <Fudge> dr_willis  i have cups working and samba sharing too but samba is not sharing the driver
[06:00] <ivotkl> See you guys, thanks for the support.
[06:00]  * angelpossum hands everyone 4 shots of 30% vodka
[06:01] <dfcnvt> bottom up!
[06:01] <dfcnvt> *drink*
[06:02] <angelpossum> HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:03] <calwig> Happy New Year 2013 all
[06:05] <dfcnvt> *burp*
[06:06] <krz> whats the countdown for at http://www.ubuntu.com/
[06:06] <krz> new years?
[06:06] <krz> or some kind of release?
[06:06] <KxTwo> so I take it with unity there is no way to move the windows buttons to the right when using unity?
[06:07] <KxTwo> wow redundant
[06:07] <iFlip> happy new year from TX
[06:09] <lala> iFlip: hny :)
[06:09] <astropirate> Anyone here have any driver issues with SSDs?
[06:11] <lala> astropirate: What's wrong with the drivers for your SSDs?
[06:11] <astropirate> lala, there aren't. I am looking into buying one
[06:11] <astropirate> making sure that there are no troubles with my investement
[06:11] <astropirate> :)
[06:12] <johnnyfireworks> i have 2 lan ports and i want to use them to game on my pc  .. trying to get lowest lag and lowest ping ..  fps games .. i hear of pfsense and kinda what it can do ,, but im lost as what to do
[06:13] <lala> astropirate: I never even thought about drivers since they would do just the same as HDDs except a bit faster.
[06:13] <KxTwo> astropirate, I've had no problem with ssd's
[06:14] <pppingme> johnnyfireworks what do you mean two lan ports?  your pc has two ethernet cards?
[06:14] <aeon-ltd> johnnyfireworks: 2 ethernet ports? then use the one in the network card, if it's dedicated it will have slightly lower latency
[06:14] <astropirate> great great
[06:14] <astropirate> thanks lala and KxTwo
[06:15] <bhavesh> I installed cinnamon desktop on Ubuntu 12.10 and since then I get these kind of windows which always stay on top of any window I open http://i.imgur.com/PcY1g.jpg
[06:15] <bhavesh> This one came when I was extracting a zip file
[06:16] <chirag> exit
[06:25] <lobhater> Can anyone help me with my internal intel wifi issue, i can not connect after resume from suspend.  I have fixed it before but now have an identical machine that is having the same issue and i can't remember how to fix it.  Here http://paste.ubuntu.com/1484027/ is my dmesg showing the resume (edited for brevity)  Please any assistance is welcome!
[06:25] <angelpossum> c ya
[06:27] <mvt007geek> hi. who knows assembly?
[06:28] <lobhater> i know some mips, why
[06:28] <Abhijit> mvt007geek, #asm
[06:29] <mvt007geek> there is a big silence in asm :p
[06:30] <mvt007geek> lobhater:
[06:30] <mvt007geek> can someone tell me why it give me error? i'm very new to asm so don't blame me  http://pastebin.com/7b1ezCdP
[06:31] <lobhater> im not gonna be of any help sorry, i cant make my mind work that hard this late at night. sorry
[06:33] <Logan_> Noskcaj: What's incomplete about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/+bug/1079259 ?
[06:35] <lobhater> anyone any good with grub?\nI installed another distro but now wanna get rid of it, how do i fix grub so it doesnt being up the boot menu and just boots into ubuntu?
[06:37] <jagginess> lobhater, /etc/default/grub  , hidden timeout or something..  << after you make the proper changes to that file, you do sudo update-grub<enter> , then reboot to test
[06:38] <rhet9> hey how can i use the commandline tools, such as apt-get, to search for packages i have installed
[06:38] <jagginess> rhet9, use apt-cache search <string>
[06:38] <lobhater> ok thanks, I am just always so nervous to mess with grub. that is still one black box i have never tackled
[06:38] <rhet9> jagginess, that doesn't show me installed apps
[06:38] <Mechdave> lobhater, As long as you have removed the previous distros you can re install grub from a terminal with grub-install /dev/sr0
[06:38] <rhet9>  it shows me everything
[06:39] <cfhowlett> rhet9: apt-cache policy packagename
[06:39] <jagginess> rhet9, for installed? .. ya.. you can use     dpkg -l |grep string
[06:39] <mvt007geek> lobhater: in my country it's 10 am :D
[06:39] <jagginess> rhet9, "ii" means the package is installed (if you removed a package it wouldn't say ii)
[06:39] <Mechdave> lobhater, after that you can modify the line GRUB_DEFAULT=0 (the first grub entry)
[06:40] <rhet9> i want to remove amazon from unity
[06:40] <Mechdave> lobhater, in the file /etc/default/grub
[06:40] <lobhater> i just formated that partition, so this will work.
[06:40] <lobhater> # grub-install /dev/sda1
[06:40] <rhet9> i like unity but what canonical  is doing to commercialize ubuntu i don't
[06:40] <jagginess> rhet9, try fixing problem #1 first. Then later come to problem#2
[06:40] <rhet9> jagginess, that IS my problem
[06:40] <lobhater> with the 1 or not?
[06:40] <rhet9> and it's not solved
[06:40] <rhet9> mainly because there is no package  named amazon
[06:41] <Mechdave> lobhater, no, use grub-install /dev/sda
[06:41] <jagginess> rhet9, problem #1, find out the package
[06:41] <Mechdave> lobhater, that way grub will install on MBR
[06:41] <jagginess> lobhater, can you tell us what you're trying to do?
[06:42] <lobhater> Mechdave: and i can just do this from a normal terminal i dont need to stop lightdm or anything?
[06:42] <Mechdave> lobhater, just from a normal terminal, you will need to use sudo though
[06:42] <lobhater> i partitioned sda5 that arch was on and now i wanna get grub to the way it was before i installed arch
[06:42] <cfhowlett> rhet9: nothing to remove but you can "disable amazon lens in ubuntu"
[06:43] <Mechdave> lobhater, as long as you have removed arch from /dev/sda5 then all should be good
[06:44] <lobhater> Mechdave: thanks. exactly what i needed
[06:44] <Mechdave> lobhater, grub will search your computer and find operating systems to add boot entries for automatically
[06:44] <lobhater> happy new year all, have a good night
[06:45] <Mechdave> lobhater, after you reinstall grub you will need to modify /etc/default/grub if you want it to do anything different from standard
[06:46] <MK`> how can I remove a panel from gnome-panel with the command line? I added one and it crashed the application and it no longer runs.
[06:48] <Mechdave> MK`, Have a look here --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks it may help you out :)
[06:49] <Mechdave> MK`, Also may be some pointers here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1659184
[06:52] <bellundger> How would I go about GPG encrypting outbound emails from root? I have my computer set up to alert me if there are problems and i'd rather not leave those messages on webmail server in plain text.  I've tried searching the web and just come up with some blog about a key sharing party....can someone point me in right direction please?
[06:57] <MK`> Mechdave: do you know if applets are numbered in chronological order?
[06:58] <Mechdave> MK`, Sorry, I don't know... It might come to searching through the xml files to find the right launcher in .gconf yet :(
[06:58] <jagginess> MK`, applets? hahaha.. i think they Gnome3 authors are calling it something else
[06:59] <jagginess> bellundger, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
[06:59] <average_drifter> jagginess: what's up ?
[06:59] <MK`> well whatever they're called. I made a left panel and added the window list to it and it crashed :P just need to find that and remove it, or just remove the third panel.
[06:59] <jagginess> bellundger, each host has a key-pair.. they only exchange the public keys..
[07:00] <bellundger> how would i implement it though?
[07:00] <average_drifter> MK`: what window manager are you using ?
[07:00] <jagginess> bellundger, when you send a message to someone else.. You encrypt your message using "their" public key..
[07:00] <average_drifter> MK`: remove your window manager, and install i3 instead , then you won't have anymore crashes
[07:00] <MK`> average_drifter: I'm on whatever the gnome fallback is for 11.10.
[07:00] <average_drifter> i3 ==> best and most stable window-manager I've seen in my life
[07:00] <jagginess> bellundger, you cannot "decrypt" your encrypted message using their public key.. because the algorithm is "asymmetric"
[07:01] <average_drifter> MK`: yeah, gnome is a piece of crap, remove it
[07:01] <jagginess> bellundger, which is a "good" thing
[07:01] <MK`> I am aware that gnome sucks, but I am still asking for help :V
[07:01] <MK`> these things are related.
[07:01] <average_drifter> MK`: the easiest way to solve a problem is to get rid of it
[07:01] <bellundger> i'll be generating both keys
[07:01] <average_drifter> MK`: get rid of gnome and you solve the problem
[07:02] <average_drifter> MK`: don't try to be clever, be smart :)
[07:02] <Thundarr> by that logic he should stab you to death right now.
[07:02] <bellundger> just don't know how to go about setting it up in the mail server
[07:02] <average_drifter> Thundarr: no, because I'd remove him from planet earth if he did that
[07:02] <average_drifter> s/did/attempted/
[07:02] <jagginess> bellundger, i believe gpg is meant to be used peer to peer, server-iccentric
[07:03] <jagginess> bellundger, ,/pgp/
[07:03] <Noskcaj> Logan_, nobody can understand what it means
[07:04] <Noskcaj> Logan_, if the average person cannot repeat the bug, it's incomplete
[07:04]  * jagginess has problems saying pgp without thinking gpg
[07:05] <dr_willis> MK`:  you could delete/rename the various config files untill you reset your gnome back to its defaults.
[07:06] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I think that a package maintainer would know what it means… Being lintian clean is important for packages, as it ensures that they meet policy.
[07:06] <average_drifter> Here is another thing to ponder: How in God's name can you trust a mammoth of a window-manager like Gnome ? Why I'm asking this ? It is immense, it's like a huuuUUuuuuUUge pile of code put together, it will have bugs *FOR_SURE*. There is no hope in expecting it to be perfect. In fact, the more code is in there, and the more features , the more imperfect it is, the more buggy it is. Now i3 and wmii are both minimalist window managers. And dwm is ano
[07:07] <Noskcaj> Logan_, yes, but unless you can fix the bug yourself, i dont think much will happen, could you do something to make "normal" people understand it
[07:07] <average_drifter> MK`: sudo aptitude purge gnome gnome2 gnome3
[07:07] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Okay, will do.
[07:07] <average_drifter> MK`: actually just remove
[07:07] <average_drifter> MK`: sudo aptitude remove gnome gnome2 gnome3
[07:08] <dr_willis> best to not use aptitude any more.
[07:08] <average_drifter> dr_willis: orly ? so what is the new thing ?
[07:08] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I attempted to clarify it a bit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/testdrive/+bug/1079259
[07:08] <dr_willis> just use apt-get
[07:08] <MK`> dr_willis that's what I'm doing. But, I am unsure where the settings are...
[07:08] <average_drifter> dr_willis: oh ? why is that ?
[07:08] <dr_willis> !aptitude
[07:09] <Noskcaj> Logan_, thanks, i will check it then mark it as new again
[07:09] <MK`> the most recent file edited was the clock, which I changed the settings of a few minutes before adding the new panel.
[07:09] <dr_willis> MK`:  make a backup directory. and just move whatever seems gnome related. :)
[07:09] <MK`> ok :P
[07:09] <dr_willis> MK`:  not like its hard to resetup whatever changes you mad
[07:09] <average_drifter> MK`:  ~/.gnome*
[07:10] <average_drifter> dr_willis: the best reset is a removal
[07:10] <dr_willis>  .gnome* .gtk* perhaps just  nautiuls/metacity connfigs would be all needed
[07:10] <MK`> there's no .gnome, only .gconf :P
[07:10] <dr_willis> average_drifter:  the problem is your pacakage removeing will NOT RESET USER SETTINGS...
[07:10] <dr_willis> average_drifter:  so your commands were pointless.
[07:10] <average_drifter> dr_willis: bs
[07:10] <bazhang> !behelpful | average_drifter
[07:11] <dr_willis> average_drifter:  apt does not touch the settings in the users home directory. so well.. your suggestions are invalid.
[07:11] <bazhang> average_drifter, please dont comment further if you dont know
[07:11] <average_drifter> dr_willis: my suggestions are valid because if you remove gnome then there is *no* *more* panel to get wrong or to cause any error
[07:12] <average_drifter> instead using a tiling window manager can be extremely productive and less of a hassle
[07:12] <average_drifter> that is what I suggested
[07:12] <dr_willis> average_drifter:  and thats not what they were asking to do.. so you are not helping.
[07:12] <jagginess> "<average_drifter> MK`:  ~/.gnome*"   << no.no, and "no"
[07:12] <average_drifter> bazhang: why should I comment no further, I know the situation perfectly
[07:12] <MK`> I noted your suggestion.
[07:13] <dr_willis> MK`:  theres various gnome related configs in .config  also
[07:13] <MK`> alright
[07:13] <average_drifter> bazhang: FYI  I know Gnome inside out, it has caused me countless problems over the years
[07:14] <bazhang> average_drifter, let us move on
[07:14] <MK`> ah, the settings appear to be in dconf
[07:14] <MK`> I should be able to fix it from there.
[07:14]  * cfhowlett please let us move on!
[07:14] <dr_willis> MK`:  yea. i was looking in the dirs.
[07:15] <dr_willis> dconf only has 1 file here in it.
[07:15] <MK`> what's the command to edit dconf settings again?
[07:15] <average_drifter> bazhang , cfhowlett   move on if you want to
[07:15] <dr_willis> MK`:  dconf-editor perhaps?
[07:16] <elky> average_drifter, stop trying to bait them.
[07:16] <average_drifter> elky: dude, a friend called me a few days ago and he also sent me youtube links of the fancy Gnome3 features
[07:17] <average_drifter> elky: I told him "maan, just install i3"
[07:17] <average_drifter> and he never looked back
[07:17] <elky> average_drifter, you're not very useful to this channel.
[07:17] <average_drifter> pff whatever
[07:19] <MK`> got it fixed. Thanks for the help guys.
[07:20] <MK`> average_drifter, a time will come when I will slay the gnome beast, I will inform you, it will be a glorious battle.
[07:20]  * dr_willis closes the ticket.
[07:20] <topper4125> has anyone here purchased a system76 machine?
[07:20] <dr_willis> MK`:  the fallback mode stuff was scheduled for removeal in the next release. but i think it got an extension
[07:21] <average_drifter> MK`: :)
[07:22] <average_drifter> MK`: you're on the right track padawan
[07:23] <Thundarr> Q: I don't understand security updates between the .04 and .10 variant releases. .04 releases are 5 years, right?  how long are .10 releases actually supported for things like security updates?
[07:23] <jagginess> topper4125, yeah. i heard they are good, cuse canonical has a stake with them.. canonical works with system76
[07:23] <IdleOne> average_drifter: I strongly recommend you read the channel guidelines ubottu messaged you. Just to make all our lives a little easier :)
[07:24] <misterno> hey why you fill the channel with so many bots?
[07:24] <MK`> Thundarr: 3 years for non-LTS releases.
[07:24] <Thundarr> ah, ok ty. that's still more than enough.
[07:24] <misterno> what is the purpose of having 1499 users in channel when only dozen really talk
[07:24] <MK`> 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS, but 10.11, 11.04, 11.10 are not. it's every 4th release.
[07:25] <average_drifter> misterno: because they need regulations and policies and police and laws here
[07:25] <jagginess> misterno, well why have 50 thousand friends when you only really care for five? It's called facebook..
[07:25] <jagginess> ^
[07:25] <jagginess> :)
[07:25] <average_drifter> misterno: didn't you know there's a Ubuntu Supreme court ?
[07:25] <topper4125> jagginess, that's what I heard too. I was on their website, looks like everything ships with 12.10 (for now)... curious to know if I could request a machine with latest LTS instead though... they come with some PPA's they manage, and a few other goodies that I'm not sure if I formatted and reinstalled 12.04, i would be able to 'get' without a lot of problems
[07:25] <misterno> is this overcompensating in numbers for lack of something else? :)
[07:26] <average_drifter> misterno: you have a point .. I must say
[07:26] <jagginess> topper4125, it's not to worry.. you shouldn't have a problem tailoring it to your particular needs..
[07:27] <MK`> I must say, I was surprised I didn't have dconf-tools installed. I thought it was default.
[07:27] <jagginess> topper4125, there's video interviews of managers/etc-- they work with canonical..
[07:27] <topper4125> jagginess, I'll have to look into that... thanks!
[07:27] <MK`> Also, how do I make a program in the terminal get pushed up into 'my' terminal again? I forgot.
[07:28] <jagginess> MK`, i dunno about tmux or asimilar, but I use "screen -RR" everytime
[07:28] <jagginess> MK`, (ssh)
[07:28] <kylescottmcgill> Does anyone know if i disable Gnome-Keyring etc, will it break all my other gnome-control-center stuff namely wifi + misc ?
[07:28] <MK`> kylescottmcgill: pretty sure that'd break wifi
[07:28] <dr_willis> kylescottmcgill:  why disable it?
[07:28] <average_drifter> MK`: just grep through the 99999 configuration files in .gconf  and find the right xml with the terminal .. probably ..
[07:28] <jagginess> kylescottmcgill, probably not.. but it will break your computer's heart
[07:29] <dr_willis> MK`:  Backgrouind jobs? bg/fg commands perhaps
[07:29] <jagginess> pretty helpless average_drifter!
[07:30] <elky> average_drifter, your snark is not welcome here.
[07:30] <kylescottmcgill> dr_willis: im using Awesome WM, and everytime i go to start anything i have to sudo prior to opening it so that it can use Gnome-Keyring, also i cant really start it as its embedded into lightgdm startup process, so its either i remove lightgdm and replace it with slim, and use a .xinitrc file, or i disable gnome-keyring and fend for myself etc, i can use wicd for networking but meh
[07:30] <average_drifter> jagginess: useless you say ? https://gist.github.com/6a8d0d36acca59af573e
[07:31] <average_drifter> I already found where the gnome-terminal is placed in the ~/.gconf
[07:31] <dr_willis> hmm.. gnome-keyring asks once here  when it starts up if its not started.. then i never notice it again
[07:31] <kylescottmcgill> jagginess: macbooks have no heart
[07:31] <average_drifter> I highly suspect one can modify the order of items in the menus by just modifying those files
[07:31] <average_drifter> MK`: https://gist.github.com/6a8d0d36acca59af573e
[07:31] <MK`> thanks jagginess that worked
[07:31] <kylescottmcgill> dr_willis: are you using a different WM too ?
[07:31] <MK`> I ran gnome-panel from the terminal, needed to just kick it off the terminal so I could close it X)
[07:32] <dr_willis> kylescottmcgill:  im using 'startx' go launch gnome-shell at the moment. I think its done the same thing with other wm's when i was testing them last month.
[07:32] <dr_willis> MK`:  command & , then use the 'exit' command is one way.
[07:32] <dr_willis> MK`:  or 'ctrl-z' then 'bg' then 'exit'
[07:32] <MK`> ah yes, &. I forgot.
[07:33] <dr_willis> Just hitting the terminal close button can close apps spawned by the terminal. so i always use close.
[07:33] <kylescottmcgill> yeah, see i could use that, the startx .xinitrc approach, but i dont see a way to get that working with lightgdm, not yet anyway
[07:33] <yassination_> hey guys, happy new year, I have a problem... after installing KDE desktop environment my HDMI port can't be detected by ubuntu, even when I use xrandr it's not listed, I need help?
[07:33] <dr_willis> kylescottmcgill:  you could define your own whatevber.desktop session for lightdm to use to run whatever you want.
[07:34] <dr_willis> most of the *dm managers will use the same whatever.desktop definitions.
[07:34] <average_drifter> kylescottmcgill: ^^ dr_willis is right
[07:34] <kylescottmcgill> dr_willis: thanks, i will check that out, there was mention of that on Awesomes wiki, but it was an old entry
[07:34] <dr_willis> Not sure about slim. ive not used it in ages.
[07:34] <average_drifter> kylescottmcgill: I have this file for my wmii for example /usr/share/xsessions/wmii.desktop
[07:34] <average_drifter> kylescottmcgill: and it shows up in the options in lightdm and gdm
[07:34] <kylescottmcgill> awesome, you guys are win, i will check that out now
[07:34] <average_drifter> kylescottmcgill: here's the file format https://github.com/wsdookadr/wmii/blob/master/usr/share/xsessions/wmii.desktop
[07:35] <jagginess> kylescottmcgill, actually it's "lightdm" .. "gdm3" is an equivalent logon option but separate
[07:36] <yacks> help
[07:36] <kylescottmcgill> lol i used gnome3 last month, i get those mixed up, i enjoy slim, or nothing :D
[07:36] <topper4125> !help | yacks
[07:37] <kylescottmcgill> average_drifter: do you enjoy wmii? have you used any others?
[07:37] <average_drifter> kylescottmcgill: My friend, I tried all of them and then some ...
[07:37] <kylescottmcgill> :D
[07:38] <kvothetech> kylescottmcgill: i like xmonad
[07:38] <average_drifter> kylescottmcgill: I settled with i3
[07:38] <kvothetech> i3 isn't bad either.
[07:38] <average_drifter> kvothetech: you like xmonad. May God help you write Haskell to configure it ...
[07:38] <kvothetech> lol it's cool haskell isn't that bad
[07:38] <kvothetech> could be lua like awesome wants lol
[07:38] <average_drifter> right ...
[07:38] <kylescottmcgill> kvothetech: sane here, loved it, but ended up with Awesome, as a lot of other programs i use are based in or use lua, Haskell is pretty big :D
[07:39] <kvothetech> lua is way worse than haskell syntax wise if you ask me
[07:39] <elky> If only we had #ubuntu-offtopic for this not-really-support kind of discussion.
[07:39] <kvothetech> elky: what'd you need support for?
[07:40] <kylescottmcgill> i like lua maybe not over haskell, but its tiny, REALLY terse though
[07:40] <kylescottmcgill> ah
[07:40] <kvothetech> too many parentheses
[07:40] <kylescottmcgill> i mean verbose
[07:40] <elky> kvothetech, i don't, i'm just making sure that people who do need it have space to ask it here.
[07:41] <average_drifter> elky: you have my complete support :)
[07:42] <kylescottmcgill> same if people need a hand with something
[07:43] <yacks> that waa typo... sorry...
[07:43] <yacks> was*
[07:43] <average_drifter> 09:36 < yacks> help
[07:43] <average_drifter> yacks: this was the typo ?
[07:44] <yacks> sorry, i typied in 'help' instead of irc '/HELP' command...
[07:45] <average_drifter> yacks: oh cool. if you need Ubuntu help you can always use the hoarde of bots here in this channel ( e.g. ubottu )
[07:45] <dr_willis> one info bot is a hoarde..
[07:49] <yacks> thanks average_drifter!
[08:01] <ericab> HAPPY NEW YEAR !
[08:03] <topper4125> Happy New Year, ericab
[08:09] <Noskcaj> could someone confirm bug 1094997
[08:10] <Em_> I just installed Ubuntu 12.10 on my Netbook (Lenovo G480 Intel Core i5, 400GB HDD, 4GB RAM, 1GB GPU). The distro is already installed; however some of the hardware drivers like the GPU, Ethernet, are not automatically installed leaving me unable to connect to the Internet. I really thought that all my notebook's hardware drivers will be installed automatically with the OS, so how do I install it without Internet connection?
[08:11] <bazhang> !offline | Em_
[08:11] <cfhowlett> Em_: depending on the hardware, some offline configuration is possible
[08:12] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:12] <Em_> ubottu: sorry, but I don't follow.
[08:13] <cfhowlett> Em_: I might have the solution for you but you need to do a bit of terminal work ...
[08:13] <Em_> cfhowlett: Would mind giving me the step-by-step solution?
[08:14] <cfhowlett> Em_: open terminal and paste the following:  lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[08:15] <dr_willis> Em_:  You mean the Wired networking is not working? or Wireless?
[08:15] <Em_> dr_willis, the wires, the GPU, I don't know the others since I don't know how to determine if the drivers were installed
[08:15] <dr_willis> Em_:  determine your video card (thats what cfhowlett  command will help tell us)
[08:16] <cfhowlett> Em_: I'm on ubuntu studio 12.04, i.e. xubuntu based.  Different from what you're using.  But I THINK you type "terminal" in the search grid and you'll get a terminal
[08:16] <dr_willis> alt-ctrl-t for terminal in unity by default
[08:16] <cfhowlett> Em_: the command I sent will ID your wifi chip
[08:16] <Em_> ok, please give me a moment.
[08:16] <dr_willis> if the Wired chipset is not working.. thats.. somewhat rare.
[08:16] <cfhowlett> Em_: if it's broadcom 43XX we can use this tutorial to bring you online   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xxeme
[08:17] <dr_willis> lspci output will also let us determin your video chipset.
[08:20] <Em_> Oh ok
[08:21] <cfhowlett> Em_: lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4  HOPEFULLY the output includes "BCM43xx" wirless LAN Controller ...
[08:21] <Em_> result: 03.00.0 Network controller p0280]: Broadcom Corportaion BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless Lan Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) Subsystem: Broadcom Corportaion Device [14e4:0587]
[08:21] <topper4125> winner!
[08:21] <cfhowlett> Em_: smile, son.  we can do this!
[08:22] <arabi> hellp
[08:22] <Em_> cfhowlett: What am I supposed to do next?
[08:23] <arabi> I have customized export PS1="\[\e[28;1m\]\w \[\e[0m\]\$ "   where I want to put it permenantly to have the change
[08:23] <cfhowlett> Em_: I used the STA - No Internet access method on that url I sent you.  All files were included in the ubuntu iso, but it might be different in 12.10.  Please take a look at the link, STA - No Internet Access section
[08:23] <cfhowlett> Em_: again: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xxeme
[08:24] <cfhowlett> Em_: note: you MUST have the install media
[08:24] <Em_> cfhowlett: Install Media? Like what?
[08:24] <cfhowlett> Em_: USB stick?
[08:24] <arabi> ./profile or ./bashrc or ./bash_profile     to put export PS1="\[\e[28;1m\]\w \[\e[0m\]\$ "  I am confused nyone help me out
[08:24] <topper4125> USB stick works
[08:25] <Em_> Yeah, I do have a USB stick
[08:25] <dr_willis> arabi:  at the end or .profile should work
[08:25] <Em_> cfhowlett: This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. << The link that you gave me
[08:25] <dr_willis> arabi:  one of those files has a prompt setting in it allready.
[08:25] <cfhowlett> Em_: I'm LOOKING at the page ... wait one
[08:25] <OerHeks> - eme
[08:25] <cfhowlett> Em_: try again:       https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xxeme
[08:26] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[08:26] <cfhowlett> OerHeks: thanks.  em_ use that link instead
[08:26] <dr_willis> .bashrc:    PS1="\[\e]0;${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h: \w\a\]$PS1"
[08:26] <arabi> dr_willis, I accidently edited bashrc how can I get the defults back?
[08:26] <Em_> Ok
[08:26] <dr_willis> arabi:  loook in /etc/skel for the original
[08:27] <arabi> dr_willis, can I copy an paste from that?
[08:27] <dr_willis> arabi:  or just  the file to your home.
[08:27] <Em_> cfhowlett: A wireless network is currently unavailable for me, so I'd rather have the wired network or driver installed instead.
[08:27] <dr_willis> /etc/skel$ ls -a
[08:28] <dr_willis> .  ..  .bash_logout  .bashrc  examples.desktop  .profile
[08:28] <cfhowlett> Em_: the method I've used doesn't require a network.
[08:28] <cfhowlett> Em_: and the result is a working wifi ...
[08:28] <dr_willis> Em_:  how new is this laptop? if you can determine its wired chipset.  that might make things easier if you can run a cable to it.
[08:29] <dr_willis> its rather unusual for a wired network card to not work.
[08:29] <cfhowlett> dr_willis: should we prioritize the wired and THEN the wireless?
[08:29] <arabi> dr_willis, I have put export PS1="\[\e[28;1m\]\w \[\e[0m\]\$ "   in ~/.profile but not working why?
[08:29] <dr_willis> cfhowlett:  i have to wonder why his wired is not working.
[08:30] <dr_willis> arabi:  you started a new shell?
[08:30] <Em_> How do I determine if the wireless network is installed already?
[08:30] <arabi> yes
[08:30] <cfhowlett> Em_: plug it in to a router.
[08:30] <dr_willis> arabi:  .pofile is read on initial logn i think. try 'source .profile'
[08:30] <Em_> cfhowlett: No, I mean how do I determine if the WiFi driver is already installed along with Ubuntu?
[08:31] <Em_> is there like something like Device Manager like in Windows?
[08:31] <arabi> dr_willis, done boss... not it is working .. thanks and happy newyear
[08:31] <dr_willis> wifi connection tool/icon at the top right of the panels/screen
[08:31] <cfhowlett> Em_: I understood that your networking was completely unavailable.  Not true?
[08:32] <Em_> Uhhm, I think that the wireless adapater is already installed
[08:32] <cfhowlett> Em_: ah ... then we need not mess with that!
[08:32] <Em_> However, there are no available wi-fi network that I can connect to as of the moment. But I can connect to an Ethernet networ. Problem is I can''t connect to it, as I plug the Ethernet cable, it wouldn't recognize it
[08:34] <cfhowlett> Em_: forgive me for confusing the issue.
[08:34] <topper4125> Em_ are you sure the router isn't locked down to the point that even a machine plugged into it will not be allowed on (mac block for example)?
[08:34] <Em_> topper4125: yeah, that is not the case.
[08:35] <Em_> cfhowlett: I think what i need is to install the ethernet port/LAN driver
[08:35] <topper4125> k... its just odd that a hardwired connection doesn't just 'work'...
[08:35] <theadmin> So... what's the countdown on ubuntu.com all about?
[08:36] <Em_> how do i determine if my gpu driver is already installed?
[08:36] <OerHeks> theadmin, see http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/01/ubuntu-teases-touch-os/
[08:37] <theadmin> Em_: Well, if X works *some* GPU driver is likely installed, to check which you could "lsmod | grep drivername" (e.g. "lsmod | grep fglrx")
[08:37] <dr_willis> Em_:  look at the lspci output and determina your video chipset/card
[08:38] <topper4125> countdown to ubuntu for android
[08:38] <dr_willis> if you plug in the wired cable and  then from a terminal a few moments later run 'dmesg' it might give some info about the wired connection also
[08:38] <ViperXL75> hi... How do I check in ubuntu what hardware of Burner I habe?
[08:38] <dr_willis> topper4125:  i wont hold my breath. :)
[08:38] <theadmin> Ok, so I have this new Android phone which has no USB Mass Storage support, only PTP/MTP. Whichever I use, KDE's mounting applet thingy only mounts it read-only, which is not cool. Mounting via the command-line works, but that's kinda troublesome. Anyone know a solution? The phone is Galaxy Nexus.
[08:38] <dr_willis> !info hwinfo
[08:38] <topper4125> lol
[08:38] <Em_> theadmin, drivername? where will I know that?
[08:38] <theadmin> Em_: Oh, okay, err...
[08:39] <dr_willis> theadmin:   how are you mounting via the command line?
[08:39] <ViperXL75> ah nice
[08:39] <theadmin> dr_willis: "mtpfs somedirectory"
[08:40] <john___> hello i want to ask a question
[08:40] <topper4125> !ask
[08:40] <theadmin> john___: Just do it
[08:40] <dr_willis> theadmin:  ive not noticed/seen a specific auto-mounting fix.. yet.  just some scripots that basically do the commands :()
[08:40] <theadmin> dr_willis: There's a Unity panel applet (?) that does this quite awesomely, but switching to Unity just for that seems extreme
[08:40] <dr_willis> theadmin:  i just use ssh these days.  rarely ever plug in the wire.
[08:41] <john___> dose any one know MB-ruler like program
[08:41] <dr_willis> theadmin:  make your own widgit? ;)
[08:41] <theadmin> dr_willis: Good point, yeah, transferring over Airdroid works though
[08:41] <dr_willis> MB-Ruler is?
[08:41] <theadmin> john___: What's that do?
[08:41] <dr_willis> theadmin:  airdroid is handy
[08:41] <dr_willis> I get such slow transfers over usb at times. i rarely use usb.
[08:41] <john___> program allow you to draw a line on screen
[08:41] <john___> useing mouse
[08:42] <dr_willis> and this line does what?
[08:42] <Em_> here, i run lspci and i think i have VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd  Gen Cor processor Grpahics Controller (rev 09) and VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation device 1058 (rev a1)
[08:42] <theadmin> Em_: Ouch, dual graphics. Well, to get the NVidia driver you'll need to "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current"
[08:42] <dr_willis> Em_:  most intel video cards drivers are allready installed by default. BUT you seem to have 2 cards? so this PC is using that Dual GPU Optimus stuff?
[08:42] <john___> dr_willis , nothing only draw line i use it on doing some work on
[08:43] <topper4125> !mtpaint | john___
[08:43] <topper4125> !info mtpaint | john___
[08:43] <dr_willis> john___:  huh? You want just a Line to show on the screen on the normal desktop?
[08:43] <dr_willis> or you want a paint program?
[08:43] <dr_willis> compiz has all sorts of weird plugins like 'fire' and so forth to do fancy eyecandy drawing on top of the desktop
[08:44] <theadmin> dr_willis: http://www.markus-bader.de/MB-Ruler/screenshot.htm - seems to be this thing
[08:45] <john___> dr_willis , yep it help wen i am working on website and i want to see if every thing is on the same line
[08:45] <dr_willis> You could just try mbruler in wine.
[08:45] <Em_> i guess it would be better or easier If I can connect my notebook to a Wi=Fi network right?
[08:45] <theadmin> !info screenruler | john___
[08:46] <OerHeks> !info screenruler
[08:46] <OerHeks> ah theadmin found it too
[08:46] <dr_willis> udo apt-get install screenruler
[08:46] <dr_willis> doh
[08:47] <dr_willis> how about -->  sudo apt-get install screenruler
[08:47] <topper4125> third times a charm ;)
[08:48]  * dr_willis holds a real ruler up to his screen.....
[08:49] <topper4125> <--- eyeballs it and says "Ehh... close enough"
[08:50] <topper4125> ... guess that's why I don't get paid the big bucks
[08:50] <dr_willis> ocular ruler scale implants. ;)
[08:51] <topper4125> lol
[08:56] <hackibnblack> What's going on with Jan 2nd?
[08:58] <hackibnblack> What's going on Jan second
[08:59] <astropirate> mayan apoclypse
[08:59] <astropirate> round 2
[08:59] <cfhowlett> hackibnblack: 12/12/12?
[08:59] <topper4125> for me personally, I get to go back to work on the second... Poltically we in the US get to find out how deep the cliff is... did you want anything more specific?
[08:59] <cfhowlett> hackibnblack: no, ubuntu for android is the rumour
[09:00] <hackibnblack> So it's fake bo android ubuntu ?
[09:00] <hackibnblack> No*
[09:01] <OerHeks> hackibnblack, wait and see
[09:01] <cfhowlett> hackibnblack: ubuntu for android has been under development for a while.  Note: I said it's RUMORED that 1/2/13 is the release
[09:01] <cfhowlett> hackibnblack: check back tomorrow
[09:01] <hackibnblack> I hope they release it that would be sick
[09:02] <topper4125> there are vids of it on youtube... really not impressed myself... but that's just me
[09:02] <theadmin> Well, I have two guesses: Ubuntu for Android or Ubuntu TV
[09:03] <OerHeks> and phone
[09:03] <hackibnblack> Well it's big for ubuntu and I support ubuntu / open source 199%
[09:04] <topper4125> or maybe the're adopting Gubuntu in to the *buntu family (An official release of Ubuntu with the Gnome Desktop?) lol
[09:04]  * cfhowlett thinks "only 199%"?
[09:05] <theadmin> topper4125: That has nothing to do with "touching". That's obviously a hint
[09:05] <topper4125> I'm actually surprised that hasn't shown up yet on Distrowatch
[09:05] <hackibnblack> Yea only 199%
[09:06] <theadmin> topper4125: Well, gnomebuntu.com has been up for a while
[09:09] <newbie|2> theadmin, just went there.. looks like its under construction gubuntu is up and running, just not listed on distrowatch yet.
[09:13] <shingdayho> Hey!
[09:13] <cfhowlett> shingdayho: nihao
[09:14] <idruta> hi everyone
[09:15] <cfhowlett> idruta: greetings
[09:19] <topper4125> Thinking that countdown has to be for android... found a video of ubuntu 10.10 running on touch
[09:19] <topper4125> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vwt11GMc3g
[09:20] <ElectricPrism> how do I get to the official linuxmint channel? Is it on this server? I tried joining and got sent to ##linuxmint
[09:21] <nightfly_> ElectricPrism: just a guess, but is your nick registered and authed?
[09:21] <Noskcaj> ElectricPrism, Official support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[09:22] <ElectricPrism> Noskcaj: Ill try it, im authed for sure. I was hoping to ask their users why they prefer that specific distro should prove an interesting conversation since I can't get into it for some reason
[09:22] <topper4125> Official support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[09:24] <topper4125> one of the reasons I don't use mint is because of some of the political views of the founder
[09:25] <Thundarr> interesting. like what? have a link I can read up?
[09:25] <ElectricPrism> Their art really was a turnoff for me personally, could never get into their style
[09:26] <topper4125> he's one of those tinfoil hat wearing holocost denying guys... http://jay4rest.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/linux-mint-founder-is-against-israel/
[09:27] <ElectricPrism> fascinating
[09:27] <Thundarr> lol. wow.
[09:27] <Thundarr> yeah that kind of stunts my interest in it.
[09:29] <ElectricPrism> I just dont understand why its @ the top of distrowatch, I have no problem supporting a company that wants to see profit from their creation
[09:29] <Thundarr> israel should officially adopt linux mint as their distro of choice.
[09:29] <Thundarr> heh
[09:30] <ElectricPrism> XD
[09:30] <Thundarr> I'm just trying to decide what to run
[09:30] <Thundarr> word is that win 9 is going even more heavily into the 'tile' crap of 8
[09:31] <topper4125> I have no problem with monitization in linux... with big money comes big developers (steam for example)
[09:31] <ElectricPrism> I'm running Sabayon right now, I like a lot of things about Ubuntu based distros. Thundarr: Yeah, Windows 8 made me officially move to linux, now all I need is photoshop running fairly well so I can continue work for clients
[09:32] <topper4125> I think if steam can show a big profit other software houses like Adobe will follow them
[09:32] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: if adobe followed along with steam I think windows would crumble
[09:32] <topper4125> yup me too! :D
[09:33] <theadmin> topper4125: So far Adobe is doing completely the opposite. They dropped Flash for Linux, for instance.
[09:33] <ElectricPrism> interesting, gotta admit I never was a fan of flash, but the lack of it sucks for sure
[09:34] <theadmin> ElectricPrism: They'll continue to provide security updates for 5 years or something, after that Flash will only be available as part of Google Chrome
[09:34] <theadmin> Mozilla also wokrs on their own Flash implementation
[09:34] <topper4125> Steam said something along the lines of "the future of gaming is *not* in windows"... if that is true... and for as big as gaming is financially... Linux has a huge opertunity to grow.
[09:35] <Thundarr> blah. valve just said all that crap because their own market is going to conflict with windows marketplace.
[09:35] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I agree, I actually foregoe console gaming and own a number of steam games. I just love that on the computer my games will run in all future OS versions unlike PS 1 > PS 2 > PS3 > PS 4, etc...
[09:35] <Malsasa_> Yes, and game platforms are not Steam only :) There are another platform beside Steam :) CMIIW
[09:36] <Thundarr> more games just need to run in a browser like quake live
[09:36] <Thundarr> thats pretty damn awesome cross compatibility there
[09:36] <ElectricPrism> Malsasa_: But I could see Steam deciding to base a open source distro on FreeBSD if they wanted to maintain the base, otherwise yeah they'd just have Canonical handle all the linux work since GPL pretty much forces everyone to open their work up
[09:37] <ElectricPrism> Thundarr: Oh I agree, especially with WebGL games
[09:37] <ElectricPrism> meh #linuxmint-help wasn't that helpful, they just told me to run the livecd and that it was pretty much ubuntu but not explaining how it differed QQ
[09:37] <topper4125> that *is* something M$ has said in the past "the future of computing is 100% cloud, os,apps, data everything. for some reason, that scares me a bit, but it seems that they are trying to make that their future
[09:38] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I think businesses are smarter than trusting the cloud* if not- they'll learn the hard way imo
[09:38] <topper4125> 'tis true ElectricPrism
[09:38] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: plus I would think business owners are control freaks and would like their data stored locally - I wouldn't mind having apps in the cloud, but not my personal data
[09:40] <ElectricPrism> I learned the other day that Debian has a official forum - I was surprised though at how little activity it has compared to the ubuntu forums
[09:41] <ElectricPrism> Ubuntu Forum Posts: 11,795,654   Debian Forum Posts: 439,573
[09:41] <topper4125> with plugins like firesheep out there showing how easy exploits can be exposed.. you would think everyone fear personal info in the air and in the cloud. but then again M$ still has a lot to learn when it comes to computer security doesn't it? Lol
[09:42] <ElectricPrism> I'm in favor of the idea that bad security comes from bad programmers
[09:43] <ElectricPrism> I often hear arguments that php is insecure, but the reality is that php has a lot more code created by developers, and the quality of the code is less because the language is soo popular
[09:43] <Thundarr> watching Tron Uprising. This show is gorgeous.
[09:43] <ElectricPrism> a cartoon?
[09:43] <Thundarr> lot of known voice talent too
[09:43] <Thundarr> its cgi
[09:44] <Thundarr> its beautiful. the style is amazing. lot of love goes into it.
[09:44] <ElectricPrism> seeing tron in the metreon really was inspiring
[09:44] <ElectricPrism> the style looks cool
[09:45] <ElectricPrism> has anyone ever tried ripping dpkg out of a debian distro and grafting it onto say gentoo or arch?
[09:46] <topper4125> ElectricPrism, not me personally... I ran Arch for about 6 months and came back to ubuntu w/ Xfce DE
[09:47] <topper4125> I liked arch, but I spent too much time babysitting the OS... IMHO
[09:47] <Catbuntu> Arch is... :(
[09:47] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I have arch on my laptop and it's been an enlighening experience, but I admit I really miss Ubuntu Software Center and the vast number of packages on ubuntu, the #1 reason I value it
[09:47] <Catbuntu> I like XFCE.
[09:47] <Catbuntu> But it's too "conservative" for me, I preffer Unity, gnome-panel or Cinnamon.
[09:48] <Catbuntu> brb
[09:48] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: Yeah, that makes sense - It's really cool to be running SystemD, I find it easier to control services, but I don't need a highly secure system although I hate having software I dont know about since linux is soo vast in its software, and the names are cryptic and confusing
[09:48] <topper4125> Catbuntu XFCE is my fav DE... just the speed, and customization of it are perfect for me.
[09:49] <ElectricPrism> Catbuntu: I can't remember if it was XFCE or LXDE, one of those had a beautiful Alt+F2 run dialog, but I just can't get into unity
[09:49] <topper4125> ElectricPrism, ya that's my problem too...
[09:49] <ElectricPrism> ya
[09:49] <Malsasa_> topper4125: i like KDE :)
[09:49] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I thought about creating a linux accronym dictionary because stuff like /etc/fstab really should be named /config/filesystem-table
[09:50] <ElectricPrism> but I also respect that having the unix filesystem gives linux strength as a Unic operating system
[09:50] <Malsasa_> ElectricPrism: we can create a wallpaper from that dictionary
[09:50] <topper4125> I did find that installing Ubuntu-mini and building my system up from scratch about as good as and Arch install...
[09:50] <ElectricPrism> :)
[09:50] <TheFlipside> can someoney tell me what the countdown on the ubuntu website is for?
[09:50] <topper4125> ... if you're into minimal install idealls
[09:51] <topper4125> best guess TheFlipside, is Ubuntu for Android
[09:51] <TheFlipside> ah thanks
[09:51] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: Good point, I actually dislike that pacman file manager's options are again "cryptic" and "confusing"
[09:52] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: Imagine me trying to instruct me to give my wife instructions over the phone on the correct pacman command to update the system - "you're gonna have a bad time"
[09:52] <topper4125> I had a couple 'plug-ins' for pacman that kind of made it act like apt-get, it was a little easier, but not much
[09:52] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: how do I get the minimal install - I would love to use that, it sounds good
[09:53] <snx> where can I get ubuntu 13 iso
[09:53] <theadmin> ElectricPrism: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[09:53] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: yaoucht was pretty cool but then again the name was dumb, kindof like when you're a n00b and you're trying to remember how to spell nautilus
[09:53] <topper4125> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD 50 MBish download
[09:53] <ElectricPrism> ty
[09:53] <kylescottmcgill> :o they still compile that
[09:53] <kylescottmcgill> ....
[09:53] <ElectricPrism> 34mb XD, nice
[09:53] <kylescottmcgill> i thought they stopped after 9
[09:53] <topper4125> yup... its good for systems that don
[09:53] <topper4125> ... dont have PAE
[09:54] <kylescottmcgill> -_- i can feel myself rebuilding my desktop tonight
[09:54] <OerHeks> snx @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ plus support in #ubuntu+1
[09:54] <topper4125> nice thing about mini... wifi works out of the box... unlike arch...
[09:55] <kylescottmcgill> i love arch, but i suffer from that and more on a mac :(
[09:55] <ElectricPrism> I gotta admit that the one that I really wanted on ubuntu that I lacked was fbcondecor and plymouth, usplash looks like garbage on my 260gtx and I love having a background image on my TTY1, makes my OS look pro
[09:55] <shikata_ga_nai> happy new year err'body.
[09:56] <snx> happy new year
[09:56] <ElectricPrism> OMG I just got into Sublime Text 2, their new release is soo amazing, I loved Notepad++ but couldn't get into Geany or GEdit, soo glad to have it
[09:56] <ElectricPrism> Wait... did they switch from USplash to Plymouth?
[09:56] <topper4125> not sure
[09:56] <ElectricPrism> I see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[09:57] <dr_willis> Plymouth is the default on ubuntu for quite some time now
[09:57] <kylescottmcgill> ElectricPrism: Sublime is mint
[09:57] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: What does that mean, mint as in prime?
[09:57] <kylescottmcgill> mint as in its awesome
[09:57] <ElectricPrism> oic, cool! yeah they're the bomb and they're cross platform :)
[09:58] <kylescottmcgill> ya, its like the only software i feel proud to have brought, like it went to a good cause sorta thing
[09:58] <Catbuntu> back
[09:58] <kylescottmcgill> ... wasnt a waste of money is better said
[09:58] <ElectricPrism> dr_willis - maybe its my grub2 resolution then idk why bootup is so glitchy, I just can't wait till ubuntu switches to SystemD and possibly Wayland - although nowadays we're finally getting abilities that make X Server Screen hosting on another computer useful - It just took 30 years
[09:59] <dr_willis> you can set Grub2 to use a Text mode boot menu.
[09:59] <kylescottmcgill> ElectricPrism: you can change your grub2 boot settings to accomodate for your larger screen size
[09:59] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: Do you get any additional features from buying it? I know they're very liberal and dont limit a trial period
[10:00] <kylescottmcgill> ElectricPrism: none what so ever, trial version is supposed to be limited at some time in the near future i believe
[10:00] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: Yeah, I might need to, I'm not sure really, what I do know is my Samsung SyncMaster 710n dual 17" 1280x1024 aren't probably identified in Ubuntu so I need to set the resolution using xrandr :( QQ
[10:01] <kylescottmcgill> lol
[10:01] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: I need to finish a client project and purchase a license, software I'd be proud to own
[10:02] <ElectricPrism> I wiped out my 2tb volume using DD to all zeros, and now I've been copying 850,000 files and it's minuets away from completion, its been running since 48 hours ago - I'm soo stoked!
[10:02] <kylescottmcgill> lol sorry to hear your bad luck
[10:02] <ElectricPrism> A friend of mine told me that hard drives above 2TB have the data too condensed that it's starting to have problems reading and writing as clearly though, I wish I had the source
[10:03] <topper4125> I've only donated to 3 software houses :( Sent money to the Gimp, ZorinOS (cuz its pretty) and Canonical.
[10:03] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: My bad luck was caused by Windows chkdisk, It destroyed my NTFS $MFT because I used the drive often in Ubuntu, since then I got a 3TB EXT4 that I'm enjoying
[10:04] <ElectricPrism> having 10 years of files stuck in limbo is super lame though
[10:04] <kylescottmcgill> lol
[10:04] <ElectricPrism> Shoulda bought a NAS instead of a Raid 1 mirror QQ
[10:05] <morfeo_81> hi there
[10:05] <morfeo_81> Happy new year!!!
[10:05] <ElectricPrism> If I enabled the unstable repos would it be the same as running Ubuntu as a rolling release distro?
[10:06] <morfeo_81> How can createpermantly  ubuntu on usb external drive with my preference
[10:06] <kylescottmcgill> I havnt done that, but i think it wouldnt be like using Arch, i think unstable is more or less things are going to break, etc
[10:06] <kylescottmcgill> morfeo_81: do you mean an installation on a USB Drive?
[10:07] <ElectricPrism> you need a motherboard that can boot from usb, and a USB ideally 16GB+ I imagine it'd be simple, USB 3 is better, USB 2 is doable
[10:07] <topper4125> ElectricPrism, ya I think that gives puts your system on the bleeding edge of releases. (read into that a lot of breaking and babysitting of the OS)
no I mean to have ubuntu portable on different computer with my preference
[10:09] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I think I like the idea of rolling release better, Im tired of Sabayon and others having old software like Gnome 3.4 instead of 3.6, maybe I'll try to make it work with Unity,
[10:09] <Catbuntu> Which is the best DE Gnome2-like, Cinnamon or XFCE?
[10:09] <kylescottmcgill> oh right, i think you might have some issues with things like GFX Drivers and Wifi drivers etc, not to mention different CPU types, but i think you can, just install to a USB opposed to your HDD, and you will need to make sure you have a MBR on the USB
[10:09] <topper4125> ah... ya I'm the opposit with that... gimmie stability! :D
[10:10] <cfhowlett> !best|Catbuntu:
[10:10] <ElectricPrism> In unity I can't stand two things: The menu is on the left and I have no options to move it to the bottom, and 2) The close, max, min window controls when maximized are hidden in the global menu bar - has anyone solved either of these?
[10:10] <Catbuntu> Well, I know.
[10:10] <Catbuntu> I mean technicaly.
[10:10] <Catbuntu> GTK2/GTK3, etc.
[10:10] <auronandace> ElectricPrism: you don't solve them, they are like that by design
[10:10] <ElectricPrism> Catbuntu: Cinnamon almost won me over
[10:11] <kylescottmcgill> ElectricPrism: i believe there is app that gives you more control over the menu bar, but generally i use Gnome 3 (PPA is 3.6) or Awesome WM, which is a Tiling Window Manager
[10:11] <topper4125> the only way I solved it was to switch to XFCE... Unity destroys freedom to customize the desktop
[10:11] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: What is a Tiling Window Manager, I hear it mentioned a lot
[10:11] <ElectricPrism> amen
[10:12] <ElectricPrism> I would accept it, I even like the global menu and menu search, but those two things hurt my workflow
[10:12] <kylescottmcgill> The windows dont float naturally, evetyhing is more or less bound to the keyboard, so when im swapping apps i rarely use the mouse
[10:13] <morfeo_81> Best way to get portable Ubuntu on USB Drive?
[10:13] <ElectricPrism> in windows I had the panel on the bottom and a dock on each side of my screen to quickly launch work folders, etc... and I have 4:3 monitors so the whole design for "widescreen" doesn't benefit me :(
[10:13] <kylescottmcgill> Check out Google Images, you will be sure to find some examples, just get ready for a lot of work, normally there is a GUI to configure a Tiling Window manager, normally its in a scripting language
[10:13] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: are the windows always fullscreen? because I find TTY1-7 just like having open tabs in Firefox and totally useful
[10:13] <ElectricPrism> ah
[10:14] <kylescottmcgill> Sort of
[10:14] <ElectricPrism> has anyone tired E17 since their 1.0 release?
[10:14] <topper4125> If you think 4:3 is harsh with Unity... try a netbook form factor 1024X600... there's a lot of lost desktop usage with only 600 vertical pixles...
[10:15] <ElectricPrism> owch
[10:15] <ElectricPrism> firefox on that would be painful with its menu bars
[10:15] <kylescottmcgill> lol topper4125 you sir, need a Xmonad, or Awesome :D
[10:15] <ElectricPrism> The more I delve into linux, the more that I find myself a minority in the world, soo sad...
[10:15] <deniska> Hello. 3.2.0-35-generic-pae kernel, Samsung NP350 series laptop, after suspend to ram fn key is sticky
[10:16] <topper4125> I've been hearing a lot about xmonad lately.. might have to look into it
[10:16] <deniska> Like f2 acts like fn+f2 (brightness down)
[10:16] <kylescottmcgill> Its in Haskell, so good luck :)
[10:16] <ElectricPrism> yeah, I only know about it from lunduke.com personally, but hm
[10:17] <topper4125> Lunduke... I wish he'd return to Linux Action Show...
[10:17] <ElectricPrism> When I look up xmonad I see this picture and I run like hell: http://www.haskell.org/wikiupload/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg
[10:17] <ElectricPrism> He was really a down to earth dude, and I felt like he thought how I thought
[10:17] <kylescottmcgill> deniska: you could hack it to reset/unset the FN keys Stickey, inside .profile or an autostart file, other than that i dont know if there is a setting for it
[10:17] <topper4125> me too
[10:18] <ElectricPrism> maybe I'll return to gentoo
[10:18] <ElectricPrism> I mean ubuntu, from gentoo
[10:18] <kylescottmcgill> Xmonad is really nice, really fast, but a lot of tweaking until you get it setup the way you like
[10:19] <topper4125> If you really want a challenge... could give linux from scratch a try... I can't make it past Chapter one with out drooling and falling asleep... but that's just me
[10:19] <ElectricPrism> kylescottmcgill: Why is it that performance is such a problem in the nix* world, does everyone just have mid to low range hardware idk
[10:20] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I would love to, but honestly there starts to be too many distros to keep up on in the X world
[10:20] <ElectricPrism> topper4125: I could loose myself in the accroynm ocean really fast and forget I'm alive
[10:21] <bazhang> !ot | ElectricPrism
[10:22] <topper4125> ElectricPrism, yup... that's where I fall apart when reading the Linux from scratch book, once I get to the compilers, and permissions... i'm out
[10:22] <ElectricPrism> Awesome Window Manager looks really productive, I would use it just to try, but I think when I install Ubuntu next time I'm gonna load on the Pantheon DE, I love how its shaping up
[10:22] <bazhang> ElectricPrism, this is not the chat channel
[10:22] <kylescottmcgill> ElectricPrism: i have a lot running, and lot going on when im developing, so i would rather my system working for me, rather than against me with things i deem to be useless like File Previews, or services i dont use
[10:23] <ElectricPrism> totally
[10:23] <kylescottmcgill> lol sorry i got carried away too, if someone needs a hand let me know :)
[10:24] <ElectricPrism> I thought people would be cool just talking about linux / ubuntu stuff but I guess it's no okay when there's no one with questions to help
[10:24] <ElectricPrism> anways I'm out to the hot tube, enjoyed the conversation, ttyl bros
[10:26] <Guest67899> -NickServ- yes I do I want that same name
[10:27] <joey8> Guest67899➤ tough!
[10:28] <Guest67899> I'm not getting on my Ubuntu install Xmms 12:10
[10:28] <kylescottmcgill> to think there is another 67898 guests online
[10:29] <joey8> surely not - its just a next_number isnt it?
[10:31] <kylescottmcgill> *shrugs*
[10:31] <floridsdorf> hi
[10:32] <cfhowlett> floridsdorf: greetings
[10:33] <floridsdorf> happy new year
[10:34] <newb_> hi, and happy new year to all :>
[10:35] <nasserash> newb_, happy new year :)
[10:35] <newb_> can anyone help me please to find a program which could control the speed of the fans in my system like how Speedfan used to do for me under Windows?
[10:35] <Brunbook> good day, I can not install XMMS on my Ubuntu 12.10 can someone help me?
[10:36] <newb_> they are too noisy now
[10:36] <dr_willis> !xmms
[10:36] <cfhowlett> Brunbook: xmms2 is in the universe repository
[10:36] <dr_willis> theres other media players/music players also
[10:37] <theadmin> Wow, xmms, that's a name I haven't heard in a while
[10:37] <topper4125> !info fancontrol | newb_
[10:37]  * dr_willis wonders how HUGE a download winamp is these days.
[10:38] <topper4125> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[10:38] <dr_willis> ;) the good old days when people just had to have everything themeable..
[10:38] <newb_> ubottu: thank you, I have a look at it
[10:39] <newb_> :B
[10:39] <serp_> thats what a smart ai would say to avoid detwction
[10:39] <topper4125> dr_willis 11mb for free and 15mb for full (+$20.00) ouch
[10:40] <serp_> in other news, WinZip is in version 17
[10:40] <OerHeks> dr_willis, 270 kb v1,82 in 1997
[10:40] <topper4125> I'm sure half that download is the license agreement
[10:41] <dencrypt> people still use winzip?
[10:41] <serp_> and toolbars
[10:42] <topper4125> I figured that after EVERY OS built Zip support into themselves WinZip would ahve died.
[10:45] <theadmin> topper4125: Yeah, kinda weird that paid archivers like WinZIP and WinRAR still exist
[10:46] <topper4125> how come no one has developed a Linux GUI for this: http://www.crazypc.com/other/misc/toast.htm
[10:47] <Squall5668> looks like it needs a lot of spare watts...
[10:51] <dr_willis> best Case Mod thing i ever got was these little Drive Bay Drawers  to keep cd's and flash drives in. ;)
[10:51] <newb_> topper4125 : Thank you, it's working
[10:51] <topper4125> No problem newb_ happy new year
[10:51] <newb_> you too
[10:51] <dr_willis> Now this would be interesting on a Server box. -> http://www.crazypc.com/products/cooljag-ef4-12-5680F12.html
[10:52] <topper4125> I've seen those on a few youtube vids... they're pretty interesting.
[10:54] <dr_willis> be neat if you could send cpu load and other info to  a fan with leds. ;)
[10:54] <dr_willis> oh well.. night time for me.. bbl
[10:56] <newb_> bye
[10:57] <topper4125> dr_willis, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoDVhunos6E demo of that fan you were looking at
[10:57] <topper4125> oh.. oops he's gone
[11:09] <topper4125> well, I think i'm going galt... see ya
[11:14] <Emanon> Wow this actually works pretty well in Thunderbird.
[11:14] <bs123> what?
[11:14] <Emanon> Aparrently Thunderbird has built in chat+irc now.
[11:15] <Emanon> And it's actually usable.
[11:15] <bs123> huh didn't know that
[11:15] <bs123> i run the windows version
[11:15] <bs123> hmm i wonder
[11:16] <Emanon> Does anyone know if Thunderbird support SASL authentication with IRC so I can use FreeNode via TOR?
[11:16] <rabbi1> Happy new year !!
[11:17] <Emanon> Happy new year rabbi1
[11:17] <Emanon> Darn it doesn't have tab completion.
[11:18] <Cong> What methods are there to remove items from the gnome-panel on Ubuntu 12.04?
[11:19] <Emanon> Guess I'm still using Pidgin. I love me some tab completion.
[11:19] <tenX> Emanon: props to pidgin
[11:20] <Emanon> Yea, I only wish it existed on Android.
[11:20] <Cong> Yuck! Pidgin.
[11:20] <Emanon> Kind of a pain to get SASL patched for Pidgin though.
[11:20] <tenX> Cong: why?
[11:21] <tenX> Emanon: sasl?
[11:21] <bs123tbird> ha
[11:22] <Cong> tenX, it just is.
[11:22] <Emanon> A type of authentication. Freenode requires it for any connection coming through their onion.
[11:22] <bs123tbird> emanon thanx for the tip....windows version has a client too in tbird
[11:22] <tenX> Emanon: familiar with sasl basically, just wondering about irc usage thx
[11:23] <Emanon> Yea, you have to be sasl compatible to use freenode through tor.
[11:23] <tenX> Cong: for whatever reason
[11:23] <Cong> How am I suppose to remove files placed in the gnome-panel?
[11:23] <tenX> Emanon: k i c dont have anything to hide so far
[11:23] <Cong> tenX, for many reasons.
[11:24] <Emanon> I'd like to know how to remove entries in my apps panel too. I have a shortcut to a wine program that no longer exists that I would like to remove.
[11:24] <tenX> Cong: name at least one
[11:24] <Emanon> tenX: Tor isn't about having things to hide it's about having privacy there's a pretty big difference.
[11:26] <tenX> Emanon: who cares about some chat lines
[11:26] <Emanon> I don't have a whole lot to "hide" but I still shut the bathroom door when I'm in there. Some things you just prefer to keep between the people you choose.
[11:27] <tenX> Emanon: thats partially overrated
[11:28] <llutz> tenX: privacy can't be overrated
[11:29] <Emanon> If you leave data laying about everywhere it's far too easy for someone malicious to make an unflattering narrative of your actions. And while such a story might not be true it could very well be made up of facts, specifically the ones you left littered around.
[11:29] <tenX> llutz: principally not
[11:30] <Emanon> You're entitled to your position on the matter but I prefer not to be a data litterbug.
[11:30] <Cong> Emanon, press alt + win, right click, and left click remove.
[11:30] <tenX> Emanon: define the actual threat
[11:31] <Cong> If you're not buying something you're the thing being sold.
[11:31] <Emanon> Misrepresentation using factual statements in a dishonest fashion tenX
[11:32] <angs> what is the equivalent directory of cat /proc/bus/usb/devices on ubuntu?
[11:32] <tenX> Emanon: you caught me
[11:32] <Emanon> That alt+win right click thing didn't work.
[11:33] <Cong> on gnome-panel?
[11:33] <franco69> ciao
[11:33] <franco69> !list
[11:33] <Emanon> Not on the dock bar thing on the left, actually in the dashboard.
[11:34] <Cong> If it ain't gnome panel it ain't working on it.
[11:35] <Emanon> tenX: Have you seen anything with Jacob Appelbaum?