[00:19] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:52] <cmaloney> Jeez; this is valid JavaScript: var array = [2,3,4,5,6]; console.log(array['length']);
[00:53] <cmaloney> array['length'] = 34;
[00:53] <cmaloney> array.length; // 34
[00:54] <cmaloney> Oh, it gets better:
[00:55] <cmaloney> listOfNumbers
[00:55] <cmaloney> [ 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,  ]
[00:55] <cmaloney> *eyeroll*
[00:56] <cmaloney> > listOfNumbers['length'] = 2
[00:56] <cmaloney> 2
[00:56] <cmaloney> > listOfNumbers
[00:56] <cmaloney> [ 2, 3 ]
[00:56] <cmaloney> y
[00:56] <cmaloney> Hope you didn't like that data
[01:02] <Zimdale> hahahaha
[01:02] <Zimdale> good o'le javascript
[01:03] <Zimdale> just change it to console.log`array['length']`  because we don't care about looking readable ;)
[01:05] <Zimdale> oh wait that actually doesn't work the way I thought
[01:05] <Zimdale> oh well
[01:09] <Zimdale> That is interesting though, should make a thing that just scans through all window variables that are arrays and changes the length.
[01:10] <Zimdale> Just to make some developer's lives hell
[01:10] <cmaloney> Yeah, and storing dimensions['length', 'width', 'height'] is going to make thing strange
[01:11] <Zimdale> hahaha
[01:12] <Zimdale> If only there were alternatives to javascript
[01:13] <cmaloney> > bar = ['width', 'height']
[01:13] <cmaloney> [ 'width', 'height' ]
[01:13] <cmaloney> > bar.indexOf['length']
[01:13] <cmaloney> 1
[01:15] <jrwren> but... that is... normal.
[01:15] <jrwren> its defined in the lang... its just not expected.
[01:17] <Zimdale> I think making lenght maluable is super fucking weird though
[01:17] <Zimdale> > var arr = []; arr.length = 1000; console.log( arr.length );
[01:19] <Zimdale> At least you can't set arr.length to "Infinity"
[01:19] <jrwren> its super weird. the whole language is wierd, but at least it has a definition and we can use it.
[01:21] <Zimdale> And it's pretty easy to pick up and use
[01:24] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2016/12/28/stupid-javascript-tricks/
[14:37] <cmaloney> morning
[18:54] <jrwren> https://docs.python.org/3.5/howto/sorting.html#sortinghowto  does anyone know how to use sorted() to say order Desc on the first key but Asc on the secodn key?
[18:54] <jrwren> i guess i could fall back to cmp for that. meh.
[19:01] <jrwren> nevermind, just map that field to an inverse value. <3 python


[08:01] <alextu> cjwatson, hi
[08:02] <wgrant> alextu: Hi
[08:03] <alextu> wgrant, hi ~ I have some question about using git on launchpad.
[08:03] <wgrant> Ask away.
[08:03] <alextu> wgrant, I'm trying to manage repo on lanchpad, so created some repositories in project.
[08:04] <alextu> like this: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/what-project/+git
[08:05] <alextu> and the scenario will be like: some merge proposal will be request in different repository.
[08:05] <alextu> in my case repository-1 and repository-2 have one merge proposal for each.
[08:06] <alextu> wgrant, can I have some way to get a list for all merge proposals for all repositories in this project.
[08:06] <alextu> a top view for all MPs.
[08:06] <wgrant> alextu: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/what-project/+activereviews
[08:07] <alextu> wgrant, awesome! thanks a lot!
[08:07] <wgrant> np
[08:29] <alextu> wgrant, hi~ sorry to brother you again. Does it possible to set master branch in single repository as private?  Just like the protection way that gerrit go with.
[08:30] <wgrant> alextu: It will never be possible to restrict reading of particular branches, but we intend to allow writes to be restricted fairly soon.
[08:30] <wgrant> But for now, if you need varying write permissions you'll need to use separate repositories.
[08:31] <alextu> wgrant, yes, restrict write permission for single branch in repository is what I need. Looking forward it :)
[08:32] <alextu> wgrant, thanks for information :)
[14:31] <mapreri> please correct me, but lp PPAs don't have a way to trigger binNMU (or whatever they're called in ubuntu), do they?
[14:34] <cjwatson> mapreri: That's (unfortunately) correct.
[14:35] <cjwatson> You have to do a new source upload.
[14:46] <mapreri> cjwatson: is there already a open bug/future request for this?
[14:46] <mapreri> otherwise i'd be happy to open one ;P
[14:47] <mapreri> RTFM here it is #245594 :>
[14:48] <cjwatson> Indeed ...
[14:52] <mapreri> well, hopefully one day or another you'll come to it, guess you've got better/more urgent/more awesome thing to do than that :) nevermind ^^
[14:57] <cjwatson> I'd like to do it, but I haven't persuaded everyone that it's a good idea, and it's a non-trivial amount of work ...
[15:01] <mapreri> can't personally get the trouble of associating +bX binary versions to the sources without +bX
[15:02] <cjwatson> It seems fine to me especially given that Debian has been doing it for years.  I'm not sure I've ever persuaded infinity. :-P
[15:12] <mapreri> s/for years/since ever/ might be more accurate :)
[15:19] <cjwatson> mapreri: I wouldn't go that far, since I remember a different form being used :)
[15:20] <mapreri> cjwatson: given the whole debian thing is actually older than me i can easily miss stuff ;)
[15:20] <cjwatson> I feel old now.
[15:20] <teward> eheheh
[15:20] <mapreri> :D
[15:20] <teward> everyone gets to feel like that at some point.  :P
[15:46] <davmor2> cjwatson: you're not allowed to feel old, Cause that means I have to feel older and I'm not up for that :P
[20:47] <costello> Dear Sirs, n00bie here. I'm trying to upload package to ppa repository ; I've done it before once and now I have new version. Packaging is quite similar to previous version.
[20:47] <costello> Now, it's being rejected because "Unhandled exception processing upload: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 7: ordinal not in range(128)"
[20:48] <costello> looks like ascii is expected somewhere and I'm supplying utf-8 or something?
[20:48] <costello> My name has letter ä in it .. but the same naming and everything has worked for me before..
[20:51] <costello> ..ah, possibly some files I've written are in iso-8859-1 and not utf-8 because 0xc3 is exactly "ä" but in iso8859-1 .. so over my rant, I maybe may have already answered correctly to myself. Lets see :-)
[21:07] <mapreri> costello: indeed d/changelog must be utf-8 according to the debian policy
[21:09] <mapreri> "The entire changelog must be encoded in UTF-8." https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog
[21:09] <mapreri> guess you can find similar docs in the .ubuntu.com realm, but the tools are the same so it applies well enough anyway in this case
[21:32] <costello> Now I'm feeling stupid. grep $'\xc4' debian/* yields me 0 results. Is there any other place where the offending character might be coming from? Is there character-set specified in UID-strings of the GPG-key? There is letter ä also..
[21:32] <costello> err \xc3 I meant.
[21:33] <costello> anyway. I'm fairly positive that I have everything as unicode. Is there any way to try interpreting the offset numbers from error message?
[21:47] <costello> ..and lintian should whine about character set problems ; now I have lintian quiet.
[22:52] <costello> could this be a situation for a bug report .. but against what? in debian/control I had changed Standards-Version: to "3.9.5" and when I changed it back to (ancient) 3.8.4 the error message about character set went away.
[22:53] <costello> what is actually the standards-version to use with trusty? I had my sources from debian testing where standards-version is 3.9.6..
[22:57] <costello> ..seems to compile at server side too, so, for your continuous enjoyment https://launchpad.net/~operatornormal/+archive/ubuntu/classifiedads/+build/7665851


[23:53] <malina> there!right place
[23:53] <malina> Hi. how does one launch the ubuntu-installer from cli in chroot (vivid in this case)
[23:53] <malina> :D
[23:54] <malina> binary/path, if any?


[00:02] <yakster> heres the line //<IP_ADDRESS>/GoFlex\ Home\ Public/ /media/GoFlex cifs username=matthew,password=4546413,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0  whats wrong with it
[00:04] <Smaug> hey all
[00:04] <Smaug> i am on ubuntu 8.04
[00:04] <Smaug> it has OpenSSH 4.7
[00:04] <Smaug> i want to use a newer version of OpenSSH.         how bad/okay an idea would it be to use a package intended for a later version?
[00:04] <ikonia> very bad
[00:05] <Smaug> ikonia: ok
[00:05] <Smaug> how difficult is it to upgrade a server?
[00:06] <Smaug> the wiki makes it seem easy, a single command.  surely there are things that can go wrong that i must be aware of?
[00:06] <ikonia> things can go wrong, like if you have external software sources enabled, or software outside the package manager, however the guides covers it well
[00:06] <ikonia> !upgrade
[00:06] <ikonia> time to go
[00:10] <Smaug> i have to go, thanks for your help ikonia.  one more thing.   if i choose to upgrade, what process can I use to compile a list for myself of items to check to make sure that everything is running properly after an upgrade?
[00:42] <Guest77618> can some one remote desktop me and help me do this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro
[02:17] <Smaug> if i choose to upgrade ubuntu, what thought process can I use to compile a list for myself of items to check to make sure that everything is running properly after an upgrade?
[02:19] <qman__> not sure what you're asking, either your software works or it doesn't
[02:19] <qman__> you would know best what needs to work
[02:24] <dork> Smaug: make a tarball of your /etc dir and maybe an output of dpkg -l &> installedpackages.txt
[02:24] <dork> or something
[02:24] <dork> though like qman said
[02:24] <dork> you typically know when stuff is broken
[02:25] <dork> the tarball of /etc and the package output is just to help mitigate downtime
[02:25] <qman__> yeah, backups are always a good idea
[02:25] <qman__> but my point is, it's your server, you should know what services you need running on it, check those
[02:26] <qman__> not much else to it
[02:30] <Smaug> qman__: yeah okay
[02:30] <Smaug> dork: qman__: thanks for the input
[02:30] <dork> np
[02:31] <twb> dork: if it's etckeeper just git clone the /etc repo to somewhere else :P
[02:31] <twb> dpkg --get-selections for the package list
[02:32] <dork> ah cool
[02:32] <Smaug> qman__: i know what's running, but how do I know if I really know what's running? /paranoia, my server is 3 yrs old, btw
[02:33] <qman__> well, if you don't know it's running, and you don't notice if it stops running, you must not need it that much
[02:34] <dork> Smaug: check your processes, check services that are set to auto start at default level
[02:34] <qman__> and in some cases it'd be better if it did stop running, one less attack vector
[02:34] <Smaug> dork: thanks, will do.   qman__: a good point
[02:35] <patdk-lap> heh, easy solution
[02:35] <patdk-lap> turn it off
[02:35] <patdk-lap> of no one bitchs after a week, scrap :)
[02:36] <patdk-lap> really too soon though
[02:36] <patdk-lap> if it's an accounting system, it could go a few months without them knowing it's gone
[02:36] <patdk-lap> my accounting people are the worst
[02:36] <dork> it'll be that one user who still uses their 5gb samba share for storing their 128k limewire mp3s
[02:36] <patdk-lap> I still have to keep the 3 times legacy systems functioning, for when they need to access that old old old data
[02:37] <dork> had to do that with ISPBilling for a few years but put a stop to it by just not dealing with it
[02:38] <dork> that was a nightmare migration heh
[02:38] <patdk-lap> dunno about you
[02:38] <patdk-lap> but we have to keep records going back x years, for contracts, and goverment crap :(
[02:38] <dork> what industry
[02:39] <dork> ISP/Telco?
[02:39] <patdk-lap> goverment contractor
[02:39] <dork> ah
[02:39] <patdk-lap> neither
[02:39] <dork> yeah that didn't exist until recently in ISP land
[02:39] <dork> now you have to retain dhcp records for certain retention lengths
[02:39] <dork> that's new as of this year
[02:39] <patdk-lap> what country?
[02:39] <dork> US
[02:40] <dork> which is a huge pain in the ass, and absolutely useless to anyone except the government
[02:40] <patdk-lap> oh, that law only covers isp's
[02:40] <dork> yep
[02:41] <patdk-lap> probably why I do't know much about it :)
[02:41] <dork> you're better off
[02:41] <dork> best experience one could ask for in IT but at management level it can take years off your life
[02:41] <patdk-lap> oh, that is the childporn crap law
[02:41] <qman__> to top it off, it doesn't even do them any good, because an IP is not a person
[02:42] <patdk-lap> qman, so far :(
[02:42] <qman__> any lawyer worth his salt will shoot that down as evidence
[02:42] <patdk-lap> and any of our elected crap will make it a law somehow
[02:44] <dork> qman__: if your dhcp gets served up to the CPE equipment and not the customers router, it's easy to ID once they subpeana (sp) you
[02:44] <dork> even if it is bount to a customers router/whatever they terminate with it's not that hard
[02:44] <dork> macs don't change that often
[02:44] <dork> it's just a bitch harvesting that much dhcp data for that long
[02:44] <dork> so much nonsense for no reward for the carrier
[02:45] <patdk-lap> heh, that law only and specifically says to hold dhcp only info?
[02:45] <patdk-lap> how odd
[02:45] <dork> no there's more to it, and specific criteria
[02:45] <dork> i've been out of the ISP industry for 5 whole months now :P went into software dev
[02:45] <dork> that shit was getting enacted as soon as i was leaving
[02:48] <dork> yeah
[02:48] <dork> the protect our children act
[02:52] <patdk-lap> hmm
[02:52] <patdk-lap> it's strictly to isp bandwidth providers
[02:53] <patdk-lap> so guess webhosting and email is in the clear
[02:53] <patdk-lap> I remember them attempting to require ftp logs for years
[02:53] <patdk-lap> for the same purpose
[02:53] <dork> we've never had to do that
[02:53] <dork> s/we've/they
[02:53] <patdk-lap> no, it didn't become law
[02:54] <dork> oh attempting
[02:54] <dork> sorry
[02:54] <patdk-lap> I was worried, cause I was already doing 500gigs of ftp logs a day, compressed
[02:54] <patdk-lap> new logging method is nice, but also inaccurate, can compress them much much better
[02:55] <dork> yeah we just outputted syslog to remote traps for analyses and log-rolling
[02:56] <dork> for all services
[02:56] <dork> s/rolling/rotating/
[02:59] <patdk-lap> hmm, logs are 350gigs now a day, without any compression
[02:59] <patdk-lap> I should try turning the dup detection back on, but it's hightly cpu intensive
[02:59] <patdk-lap> maybe I should adjust the dup detection to after the fact, so it can just run once a day to dedup
[03:12] <pythonirc1011> we are looking to build a reliable email system with backup (at least as reliable as gmail). We want to run ubuntu-server. Any recommendations for hardware?
[03:13] <dork> i like dell personally
[03:14] <dork> or are you asking for hardware insight for your specific use
[03:14] <pythonirc1011> dork: I'm more interested in building the whole system? I want at least 3-way reliability, with 3 systems as fall back...one after the other...and mirroring
[03:15] <dork> what do you mean 3 way reliability
[03:15] <dork> like 5 9's of availability?
[03:16] <pythonirc1011> something like that
[03:16] <pythonirc1011> at least as good as what google's gmail system has
[03:16] <pythonirc1011> preferably better
[03:16] <dork> i like dell poweredge, specifically the R410's with xeon 5600 gulftowns
[03:16] <pythonirc1011> probably they run some form of linux on their email system
[03:16] <dork> haha
[03:17] <pythonirc1011> lets say i buy 3 of those...put them in 3 different locations...then how do i configure them so that one is a fallback compared to the other...and all 3 have up2date emails for all the users
[03:17] <dork> go google drbd/heartbeat/ldirectord/pacemaker
[03:18] <dork> might want to learn how to run LAMP stacks before you approach that though
[03:18] <dork> not assuming you don't already but it sounded like you might need to start a few steps earlier
[03:19] <pythonirc1011> dork: have you built an ha ever?
[03:22] <pythonirc1011> thanks for the pointers
[03:22] <qman__> FYI, google uses commodity hardware
[03:22] <qman__> their redundancy is done in software
[03:23] <twb> patdk-lap: are you still using FTP?  If so, *why*?
[03:23]  * twb is an anti-FTP bigot
[03:23] <qman__> the only reason I ever used FTP is that I was unaware that better things existed
[03:24] <twb> pythonirc1011: HA is a huge PITA
[03:24] <twb> pythonirc1011: unless you're a national- or multinational-size company I advise you not to bother
[03:25] <pythonirc1011> twb: can i get a 2TB HA hard drive online to backup my emails for cheap?
[03:25] <twb> pythonirc1011: I don' know; I don't approve of offshoring data storage
[03:25] <twb> pythonirc1011: I suppose that's what amazon S2 is
[03:26] <pythonirc1011> twb: then what choice do i have ? I have moving anything online...but i cant build a HA email system...
[03:26] <twb> If you want DR for existing emails I advise you to buy half a dozen 2TB disks in external USB drives, and use them as rotatin backups, such that at least one is always offsite
[03:26]  * ball uses FTP at work every day.
[03:26] <qman__> many of the outfits I do work for use Windows SBS and the pop3 connector, they only get mail every 15 minutes
[03:26] <pythonirc1011> twb: We need something automated...manual wont do
[03:27] <twb> pythonirc1011: if you're on a stock business ADSL plan, your internet connection will go down more often than a normal, non-HA linux mailserver
[03:27] <qman__> yeah, you don't need high availability to satisfy the needs of the 99%
[03:27] <qman__> you just need an automated backup system
[03:28] <pythonirc1011> twb: I'm on 100GBit network. this is for a college.
[03:28] <qman__> which is not that hard to set up, get a couple boxes in different places on the net, and rsync
[03:28] <twb> If you absolutely must have automated backups, then I recommend using rsnapshot to push incremental backups to a remoet host
[03:28] <pythonirc1011> I want something where i have 3 machines...if one fails, i get an email--replace the machine...the other 2 are still working...
[03:28] <twb> pythonirc1011: college as in where the students sleep, college as in the one university campus, or college as in one entire university (multiple campuses)?
[03:29] <dork> HA is pretty simple
[03:29] <dork> btw
[03:29] <twb> How many users are we talking?
[03:29] <pythonirc1011> just one building -- where internet is fast
[03:29] <dork> not sure what twb's experience is but my HA stuff is flawless
[03:29] <pythonirc1011> connectivity is not an issue..and our speeds are awesome.
[03:29] <twb> dork: I've been having exciting fun with corosync and drbd lately, it's nontrivial
[03:29] <pythonirc1011> 600 users
[03:29] <pythonirc1011> dork: what did you use to build ha?
[03:30] <qman__> that's way beyond the scope of anything there was at my college, we had 10MB mailboxes on a single sun server
[03:30] <qman__> not even worth using, I just had it forwarded
[03:30] <dork> pythonirc1011: heartbeat and ldirector for load balancing routing and balancing DBS and JBOSS app servers
[03:31] <dork> ldirectord
[03:31] <pythonirc1011> qman__: Exactly what we have now. Want to change
[03:31] <twb> dork: I'm probably smaller time than you
[03:31] <twb> dork: usually I am ~20 seats, a couple ~100
[03:31] <dork> twb: we're a 15 man shop and i'm the only sys engineer, software company though so very small footprint for me to manage
[03:32] <twb> Maybe you just are more tolerant of fugly bloated flaky code then ;-)
[03:32] <pythonirc1011> I'm not sure we should actually try ha -- if it misfires...we have too many people complaining... :)
[03:32] <twb> Yeah IME if you try to do HA you are more likely to make it worse than better unless you have some practice and are lucky
[03:32] <dork> twb: i inherited it, i will say that i would rather throw up a few monster xen dom0's and rely on their availability options than have to deal with software clustering
[03:33] <dork> but for routing it's sort of neutral
[03:33] <pythonirc1011> so, is there an easy way to build a reliable email system
[03:33] <twb> You can probably scale up to 600 users on a single grunty mailserver box with simple RAID1 (or 5, if you insist) array of 2TB disks
[03:33] <qman__> yeah
[03:33] <qman__> a standard mail server is very robust
[03:33] <pythonirc1011> twb: its not one machine thats the problem -- its just that we want robust
[03:34] <pythonirc1011> realible
[03:34] <twb> As soon as you have >1 box you need to deal with giving them a consistent backend and so you have a SAN plus two/three mailservers plus two load balancing servers in front of them
[03:34] <pythonirc1011> and at least 3 systems parallely running for fallback
[03:34] <qman__> just get good hardware and good backups, you can be back up from catastrophic failure in a few minutes
[03:34] <twb> The other thing we do which kinda sorta works is to have a second machine sitting there ready to go, with its disks synced from the active server nightly
[03:35] <twb> So in theory if the main host goes tits up even an idiot NOC monkey can just go power it down, move the cables to the backup and reboot the backup off its HDD instead of the "i'm a backup" usb key
[03:35] <pythonirc1011> all of this sounds like manual labor... I want something completely automated...which lets me sleep at night, when 2 machines die...and the power is down...
[03:35] <twb> pythonirc1011: I can't give you that
[03:36] <qman__> IME, not worth the effort setting it up in the first place
[03:36] <dork> pythonirc1011: if you want automated hire a sys admin
[03:36] <pythonirc1011> will exchange be better for this requirement? What do medium size companies use?
[03:36] <twb> That's like asking for to have sex with a unicorn, or for secure single sign-on
[03:36] <qman__> ten minutes of doing work when the stuff blows up is cheaper than weeks of developing and testing an automated system
[03:36] <twb> pythonirc1011: large companies use exchange or domino IME and they are both a fucking pain
[03:36] <twb> qman__: hear, hear
[03:37] <dork> pythonirc1011: you either need a sys admin or you need an exchange box and a cheap consultant for emergencies imo
[03:37] <qman__> exchange is enough of a nightmare on its own
[03:37] <qman__> I'm with twb on the backup server regularly rsynced ready to go
[03:37] <twb> I get the impression that apart from being plain stupid in some of its behaviour, exchange is one of Microsoft's more reliable products
[03:37] <qman__> swap cables and reboot
[03:38] <qman__> I've spent way too much time fixing broken exchange servers to agree with that
[03:38] <twb> pythonirc1011: if you like i can even sell you the failover machine as a solution :-)
[03:38] <twb> qman__: I'm only comparing it to other MS crap, not e.g. postfix
[03:39] <dork> i've never ran an exchange box, but i've known a lot of stupid people who have
[03:39] <qman__> though to be fair, I haven't done it on an enterprise level, where there's actually a dedicated box
[03:39] <dork> s/people/consultants/
[03:39] <pythonirc1011> so after 30 years - email is still an unsolved problem :)
[03:39] <dork> pythonirc1011: not for IT people
[03:39] <twb> I haven't had to deal with exchang, tho, only postfix/dovecot (good) and byari, scalix, sogo, zimbra (all fugly evil crap)
[03:39] <qman__> but the absurd licensing costs, plus the tens of thousands in hardware is just too much for any customer I've worked with
[03:39] <twb> pythonirc1011: the PROBLEM is users' sense of entitlement
[03:39] <dork> courier-imap and exim are decent too
[03:40] <twb> pythonirc1011: they should be GRATEFUL that their mail usually arrives the same day it was sent
[03:40] <dork> but yeah dovecot/postfix
[03:40] <pythonirc1011> twb: entitlement?
[03:40] <twb> dork: I'm not a fan of either but I concede exim has a non-negligible user base ;-)
[03:40] <qman__> exchange 2010 is supposed to run on a dedicated server with three raids, 11GB of RAM just for exchange, plus 100MB RAM per mailbox
[03:41] <twb> What I hate is seeing boxes set up as postfix/dovecot using cyrus' sasl because it was calld "sasl-bin" :-//
[03:41] <dork> wow
[03:41] <pythonirc1011> twb: With a 100GBit internet switch in the building, they better be grateful if the email arrives in a second...not a day? :)
[03:41] <twb> qman__: wow
[03:41] <pythonirc1011> qman__: wow! 100MB RAM / mailbox! wth?
[03:41] <qman__> those numbers straight from microsoft
[03:41] <pythonirc1011> I guess they are hoping -- all exchange users -- please pay $5/year to MS :)
[03:42] <qman__> it actually costs more than that
[03:42] <twb> pythonirc1011: no they are thinking "we have a captive market of MAPI users"
[03:42] <dork> i'm surprised they're not taking the google apps approach yet
[03:42] <twb> Because all the FOSS-flavoured mail systems have proprietary MAPI plugins
[03:42] <dork> or maybe they are? dunno
[03:42] <twb> dork: OWA
[03:43] <qman__> the only cost effective way to run exchange is with small business server where it's all included, and runs on one box
[03:43] <dork> ahh
[03:43] <twb> dork: it was actually pretty impressive when I saw it in 2003, looked exactly like outlook
[03:43] <qman__> but even then it's a mess
[03:43] <twb> qman__: does SBS have per-seat CALs?
[03:43] <qman__> yes
[03:44] <twb> They don't say something like "first five seats are free with the SBS" ?
[03:44] <dork> oh it's old eh
[03:44] <qman__> yeah, I think they include 10 these days
[03:44] <twb> OK
[03:45] <pythonirc1011> thanks for illuminating me with the pain of email systems :)
[03:45] <qman__> but yeah, the whole reason anyone uses it at all is outlook
[03:45] <qman__> and calendars
[03:45] <ball> qman__: Ten seats would probably cover us. Not going to invest in Windows Server though.
[03:46] <qman__> otherwise postfix / dovecot / roundcube would do the job
[03:46] <dork> alpine!
[03:46] <qman__> we still have some customers running nitix
[03:47] <qman__> and by how well it works I'm surprised they're not still around
[03:47] <qman__> must have priced themselves way out of proportion
[03:48] <twb> ball: the cost of licensing isn't the licenses, it's enforcement
[03:48] <twb> ball: like if you have 100 seats and 3 visio licenses and you shuffle the license to a different desk every few months, that hassle is where the cost is
[03:48] <twb> Not that, say, Skilled Engineering did that...
[03:49] <twb> qman__: I rolld out prayer instead of roundcube/squirrel (because I boycott PHP), and so far the users have been OK with it, for all it's simple
[03:49] <twb> qman__: the main thing is to set it to "cambridge" theme instead of "default", so it looks like it's from 2001 instead of 1996
[03:50] <qman__> heh
[03:50] <dork> never heard of prayer but it's the most annoying thing i've searched for in a while
[03:50] <twb> Oh and there's some weird problem with attachments when using ldap-backed apache reverse-proxy
[03:50] <twb> dork: apt-cache show prayer | grep Homepad
[03:51] <twb> dork: apt-cache show prayer | grep Homepage
[03:52] <phosphene> haha, ditto dork
[03:52] <dork> lol
[03:52] <phosphene> I think I just signed myself up for 10 prayer-a-day emails
[03:52] <dork> haha
[03:53] <twb> Kids these days...
[03:54] <ball> I find myself wondering whether Ubuntu Server would do the job. Admin costs might be steep though.
[03:54] <twb> ball: if you're going to babysit a box you need to understand it
[03:55] <twb> ball: that applies to all OSs
[03:55] <twb> ball: either learn, deploy something else, or hire a babysitter
[03:55] <qman__> windows always requires more work, it's just cheaper to hire people who know it
[03:55] <twb> Right
[03:55] <qman__> you can trust me on that one, I'm an MCSA
[03:56] <qman__> and I manage more exchange/AD environments than I know what to do with
[03:56] <dork> slacker
[03:56] <twb> A clueful sysadmin is expense, for either, but a clueful unix sysadmin can babysit 10 times the boxes a clueful windows sysadmin can
[03:57] <twb> It's just that a clueless MCSA is dirt cheap, highly available and can get it right just enough you won't sack him
[03:57] <qman__> yeah
[03:57] <qman__> a windows server is nearly a full time job
[03:57] <twb> I babysit some prisons
[03:57] <dork> Braindump
[03:57] <qman__> a well set unixy server barely requires yearly maintenance
[03:57] <dork> or whatever the site is called
[03:57] <twb> They used to run Windows on prisoner desktops
[03:57] <qman__> example above, the customers running nitix
[03:58] <dork> where people go in to memorize microsoft test questions
[03:58] <twb> They had a *full time* guy whose whole job was to take apart a prisoner desktop, search for contraband, then reflash it with windows
[03:58] <qman__> never have to do anything for them
[03:58] <twb> He only managed about 1.75 machines per day
[03:58] <qman__> windows servers though, I'm constantly on them fixing things
[03:58] <twb> qman__: yeah that's why I get called in to unfuck unix systems that are running FC3 or etch or whatever
[03:59] <twb> qman__: because they were deployed 10 years ago and worked ever since
[03:59] <ball> qman__: I have two jobs. For one I help babysit hundreds of Windows servers. For the other we have one little BSD box.
[03:59] <ball> The smaller site is a non-profit.
[04:00] <twb> ball: you use puppet or something for them?
[04:00] <qman__> the last time I had to do anything for a nitix using customer, they had saved like 30GB of junk on their desktop, so their computer was taking forever to log on
[04:00] <qman__> trying to sync 30GB over 10/100
[04:02] <twb> and pst files are pathological to rsync, and you can't tell outlook not to make any
[04:02] <ball> twb: What is "puppet"?
[04:03] <twb> configuration management
[04:03] <ball> Never heard of it.
[04:03] <twb> Have you heard of cfengine
[04:04] <ball> twb: No.
[04:04] <twb> Wow
[04:05] <twb> You babysit 100s of windows boxen and you haven't heard of configuration management.    Not something I mess with.
[04:08] <qman__> WSUS, what a mess that is when it breaks
[04:08] <ball> I think it's a third-party thing.
[04:08] <ball> Might begin with S.
[04:09] <twb> qman__: that rings a bell
[04:09] <qman__> I spent the better part of a week trying to fix (read: remove and reinstall) WSUS on a customer's server
[04:09] <qman__> it's just cryptic error after cryptic error
[04:10] <twb> Just stealth-deploy lucid
[04:10] <qman__> I got it working, but the reporting still doesn't work
[04:10] <qman__> and, straight from microsoft, only way to fix that is format and reinstall
[04:11] <ball> So I'd like to find a Linux that can serve up some file space (to a few Windows desktops) and perhaps support LTSP for a thin-client trial.
[04:11] <twb> quotmstr over on #emacs works for MS in their nomadic "find broken crap and fix it" team
[04:12] <twb> He has some awesome rants as he's wading through the code
[04:12] <ball> ...if it can host email too, that's a win but if not then I may just pay Google US$ 50/user/year
[04:12] <qman__> LTSP is not so easy
[04:12] <qman__> but the rest of that is
[04:12] <qman__> samba, postfix
[04:12] <twb> Like instead of syslog everything emits binary log data that can only be turned into text by the app that generated the data
[04:12] <qman__> LTSP is one of those things best left on a box by itself solely for that purpose
[04:12] <qman__> because it's big and complicated
[04:12] <twb> Last time I looked at LTSP is was turnkey
[04:12] <twb> Provided you let it take control of the network, that is
[04:12] <qman__> it is
[04:13] <qman__> but only in its own context
[04:13] <twb> Like if you have your own DHCP server already then you need to deal with that
[04:13] <qman__> making that box do more things or changing it to suit your needs is not so easy
[04:13] <qman__> doable, just takes some effort
[04:13] <twb> eh; I rolled my own solution before LTSP existed, back when knoppix was the only live CD
[04:13] <twb> And I've been working on that ever since, so LTSP looks straightforwad to me :-)
[04:14] <twb> My stuff has way more rice, tho
[04:15] <qman__> still going to recommend you do it with two servers though
[04:15] <qman__> one for LTSP, one for the mail and file shares
[04:16] <qman__> just keeps things simpler, and helps performance wise
[04:16] <ball> twb: I'd let it control the network that the terminals live on.
[04:16] <ball> ...but not the one that's connected to the Internet
[04:16] <twb> Fair enough
[04:17] <twb> LTSP5+ you can just tell it to boot off network and run locally, as opposed to netbooting an XDMCP client
[04:17] <twb> In that case you don't need a beefy ltsp server, it's basically just a NAS
[04:17] <qman__> nice
[04:17] <qman__> I haven't used it that new
[04:17] <twb> That's how we do it in prisons (only not LTSP)
[04:18] <twb> The nearest windows equivalent requires you to have disk for each desktop stored on the SMB server
[04:18] <twb> So for example if you have a 2GB rootfs image you would need 2GB × no desktops on the server
[04:18] <qman__> we've got one customer that uses microsoft terminal services
[04:18] <qman__> five users
[04:18] <twb> TS is thin client, that's different
[04:19] <qman__> and it works pretty well except for the licensing mess
[04:19] <twb> I meant the boot-and-forget approach
[04:19] <qman__> they can't install their version of office because that's not licensed for it
[04:19] <qman__> yeah
[04:19] <twb> We have a TS server here just to run bloody quickbooks
[04:19] <twb> stupid ato
[04:20] <twb> The amount of hassle I had getting vmware server 1.x VMs for TS2k3, XP and 98 ports over to a modern system...
[04:21] <qman__> quickbooks is another racket, they want you to upgrade every year for software that really doesn't improve at all
[04:21] <qman__> my dad still uses quickbooks 99, because it does everything that's needed
[04:21] <twb> That's because the lawyer mill changes the laws every year
[04:22] <qman__> runs in windows 7 64-bit, too
[04:22] <twb> I would LIKE to use thingo instead, the gtk on, but apparently that "won't work with the ATO"
[04:22] <ball> What software could I use to manage Samba and Postfix?
[04:22] <twb> ball: vi
[04:22]  * ball chuckles
[04:22] <qman__> yeah, I don't know what you mean by manage
[04:22] <qman__> configure and forget
[04:23] <ball> qman__: Well I configured our existing Samba instance with some help and because it's been "hands off" for years I wasn't able to replicate the configuration on another server when I tried.
[04:23] <ball> ...I have a book on Samba but it's about three inches thick and probably quite out of date.
[04:23] <qman__>  copy and paste smb.conf
[04:24] <twb> yeah exactly
[04:24] <twb> smb.conf isn't exactly rocket science
[04:24] <qman__> only time it gets even a little bit complicated is with authentication
[04:24] <twb> fucking machine accounts
[04:24] <qman__> but that's more on your LDAP/NT server
[04:25] <ball> It may have just been down to the underlying OS then.
[04:25] <twb> As if I'm giving smbldaptools rootbindpw to ldap
[04:25] <ball> I could try again with a Linux box.
[04:25] <twb> haha, you were running samba on QNX?
[04:25] <ball> NetBSD
[04:25] <qman__> well, there's your problem
[04:25] <twb> heh
[04:25] <qman__> netBSD isn't meant to be used by people
[04:26]  * ball nods
[04:26] <twb> qman__: come on, just because you live in your mom's basement and strain soup through your beard doesn't mean you aren't a person
[04:26] <ball> It used to be pretty solid.
[04:26] <qman__> not that there's anything wrong with it in terms of performing a service
[04:26] <twb> BSD can FOAD, I'm not prefixing everything with /usr/gnu/bin to get useful userland tools
[04:27] <qman__> it's just so far down the minimalism line, it's nearly impossible to use
[04:27] <qman__> you have to be the type who knows the system like the back of your hand to do anything with it
[04:27] <ball> I've lived in NetBSD for so many years that I'm fairly comfortable with it.
[04:28] <ball> ...but I don't have the time or energy to learn Samba and Postfix to the same extent.
[04:28] <twb> postfix is way easier than samba
[04:28] <twb> postfix you would have to bite of your own hands to have trouble with
[04:28] <ball> ...and I honestly think NetBSD is why Samba didn't work last time I tried it.
[04:28] <ball> brb
[04:29] <twb> I'm bored, just not quite bored enough to work on this stupid fw
[04:34] <twb> too hot to cycle home
[04:35] <qman__> yeah, postfix is pretty simple even without a nice preconfigured package
[04:35] <qman__> I've set it up on freeBSD and sun from source before
[04:51] <ball> I set up a mail server experimentally once... just the once.
[04:51] <ball> It worked.
[04:53] <twb> Except it was an open relay
[04:53] <ball> twb: No, it wasn't.
[05:00] <ball> Well, I should probably sleep on it and phone the boss in the morning if he's around.
[05:49] <Tm_T> morning
[13:06] <zastaph> if I want to install ubuntu for kvm, should I install 10.04 LTS as Normal or minimal system (for virtual machine) ?
[13:17] <_ruben> zastaph: depends on your goal(s)
[13:17] <zastaph> to virtualize 3 ubuntu servers on a hp microserver
[13:17] <_ruben> the vm part doesn't really matter here
[13:28] <zastaph> what matters
[15:27] <overrider> So strange - i want to setup pptpd, and have remotetip <IP_ADDRESS>-100 as a line in my pptpd.conf. Trouble is, when i connect to that pptpd server, it gives me an ip of <IP_ADDRESS> instead of 30.1 . Any clues?
[18:42] <gondoi> anyone here have experience with creating a repo for their own custom packages?
[18:43] <gondoi> aka not wanting to mirror, create a new unique repo
[18:44] <adam_g> gondoi: yeah, use reprepro
[18:45] <gondoi> not apt-ftparchive?
[18:47] <adam_g> gondoi: i think reprepro uses apt-ftparchive to update the repository.
[18:48] <adam_g> theres a number of good howtos on reprepro out there. i was working on a juju charm that deploys reprepo + buildd to the cloud for a personal, private PPA + builder. maybe ill get it working over the holiday
[18:48] <gondoi> adam_g: i'll dig into that then
[18:48] <gondoi> thanks
[18:53] <sweb> is there any solution for bind file creator ?
[19:07] <StevenR> sweb: what do you want to do? Write named.conf file?
[19:07] <sweb> StevenR: yeah i'm newbie on bind and dns. any standrad script can help me. is there any one /
[19:07] <sweb> ?
[19:08] <StevenR> sweb: I would just start with the basics and there's some good examples online. It's pretty well documented
[19:08] <sweb> StevenR: where ? on ubuntu wiki ?
[19:09] <StevenR> possibly. google knows more. I'm afraid I don't have any examples
[19:20] <dork> sweb: you should really be creating them by hand so you understand the structure of a zone and config file, bind comes with tools that allows you to check the sanity of you config and zone files so you can start out with a skeleton, make your records, run named-checkzone domain.tld zone.file and it'll tell you if it's syntaxually 'good' or not
[19:20] <dork> 'newbies' shouldn't be running name servers
[19:21] <sweb> dork:ty, i want to starnt learning
[19:21] <sweb> start*
[19:21] <dork> cool
[19:21] <dork> it's pretty easy
[19:21] <sweb>  dork, syntax of db file is so different
[19:22] <dork> just focus on basic named.conf and a basic zone file, start with one domain, learn how serials and ttl's work, start with basic records like A and C-NAMEs
[19:22] <dork> sweb: the records are pretty simple, the metadata, the other stuff is a little more complicated but there's plenty of well written documentation
[19:22] <sweb> dork: i see somthing about security. it's interest bind have a security sides
[19:23] <dork> yes of course
[19:23] <dork> DNS is easily exploitable because of newbies running dns servers with bad configurations
[19:24] <sweb> dork: it better to use public domain name service like opendns ? for security ?
[19:26] <dork> if you are unwilling to learn bind and dns then yes, you and everyone else will benefit from it
[19:27] <sweb> i'm expert on PHP and Zend Framework. I'm nerd but time is a major problem :(
[19:28] <dork> if you can read the horse dung that is called PHP you can read and interpret a zone file
[19:29] <dork> :P
[21:42] <xubuntu> hey
[21:43] <zastaph> where is authorized_keys stored when installing openSSH during the software selection screen during ubuntu install? if I manually install openSSH after then its in ~/.ssh
[21:44] <xubuntu> no idea i wish i could help
[21:44] <xubuntu> are you good with ssh?
[21:44] <xubuntu> i need some help
[21:44] <RoyK> zastaph: there isn't an authorized_keys file by default
[21:44] <xubuntu> has to be created?
[21:44] <RoyK> zastaph: create it under $HOME/.ssh
[21:44] <zastaph> ok, but where should I put it? I put it in my ownmade ~/.ssh like i usually do but putty wont connect
[21:45] <RoyK> zastaph: you may want to chmod -R go-rwx $HOME/.ssh
[21:45] <xubuntu> you could just re install ssh now
[21:45] <RoyK> xubuntu: ??
[21:45]  * RoyK installs win95 on xubuntu's machine
[21:45] <xubuntu> lol
[21:45] <xubuntu> thanks?
[21:45] <zastaph> RoyK, that rings a bell.. i think I saved the solution for that ;)
[21:45] <xubuntu> but i want windows ME
[21:46]  * RoyK slaps xubuntu around
[21:46] <xubuntu> sudo apt-get purge ssh and then re install it sudo apt-get install ssh idk if that helps you at all
[21:46] <RoyK> xubuntu: stop it
[21:46] <xubuntu> what am i doing?
[21:46] <RoyK> xubuntu: reinstalling stuff isn't a good idea unless you're a true windoze idiot and beleives restarting your car may fix the engine
[21:47] <xubuntu> ooh haha i guess i'm a noob lol i'm sorry thanks for the heads up
[21:47] <zastaph> ah yes here is the solution http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.14
[21:47] <RoyK> you don't just reinstall a package - you fix the problem. in quite a few cases, reinstalling the package won't help at all
[21:48] <xubuntu> makes sense
[21:48] <RoyK> zastaph: in the faq ;)
[21:48] <xubuntu> RoyK i have a question about tunneling and SSH
[21:48] <RoyK> !ask
[21:49] <xubuntu> !ask how do i tunnel port 563 with putty it doesn't seem to work when i set source port to 563 still seems to use port 563 from my local machine not my ssh server thanks for any help
[21:50] <EvilResistance> xubuntu:  dont use !ask to ask the question
[21:51] <RoyK> xubuntu: that seems to be a putty question to me, and last I checked, putty doesn't run on linux :P
[21:51] <EvilResistance> RoyK:  actually...
[21:51] <EvilResistance> it does... :P
[21:51] <EvilResistance> but its designed to run from Windows
[21:51]  * RoyK was waiting for that
[21:51] <RoyK> EvilResistance: STILL! most people DON'T use putty on linux
[21:51] <xubuntu> true!
[21:51] <EvilResistance> RoyK:  not disputing that ;P
[21:52] <RoyK> for good reason....
[21:52] <xubuntu> lol
[21:52] <xubuntu> i can see why now
[21:52] <xubuntu> anyone know i could tunnel that port 563 to my ssh server?
[21:53] <RoyK> what do you meant tunnel to your ssh server?
[21:53] <EvilResistance> define "tunnel that port" to your ssh  server
[21:53] <EvilResistance> you mean have 563 direct itself to your SSH server as an SSH listening port?
[21:53] <EvilResistance> if so, are you on a NAT?
[21:53] <EvilResistance> ;P
[21:54]  * RoyK wonders if xubuntu knows at all
[21:54] <xubuntu> yes i think that's what i mean i'm a newb and no NAT
[21:54] <xubuntu> well I guess I do have a NAT
[21:54] <xubuntu> sorry
[21:57] <EvilResistance> xubuntu:  are you behind a router on a home network or something?
[21:57] <EvilResistance> RoyK:  that's how you find out ^
[21:57] <xubuntu> yes I am on a home router but I am only trying to do it from comp to comp on my home network just to test it out
[22:02] <RoyK> EvilResistance: sometimes I'm not really in the mood of digging that deep to try to find out what people are asking for, before even trying to answer their questions
[22:04] <EvilResistance> :P
[22:04] <EvilResistance> xubuntu:  you'd need to modify the sshd_config file
[22:04] <EvilResistance> and add a listener on port 563
[22:05] <EvilResistance> RoyK:  'tis a habit i picked up as a server technician ;P
[22:06] <xubuntu> i wouldn't add the listener via putty?
[22:06] <EvilResistance> xubuntu:  you'll need to open /etc/ssh/sshd_config via sudo on the ssh server machine, and either change 'listen 22' to 'listen 563', or add a listen line after 'listen 22' saying 'listen 563'
[22:06] <EvilResistance> no, PuTTY is just the client, not the server
[22:06] <EvilResistance> you have to tell the SSH server to listen on the given port
[22:07] <EvilResistance> if you want to forward 563 to port 22 within that box, it can be done, but its not something i recommend
[22:07] <EvilResistance> esp. if its only within your internal network
[22:07] <xubuntu> ahh i see i'm not trying to change 22 to 563 i'm trying to have my usenet on the comp i'm on now use the proxy of my ssh via port 563 if that makes any sense?
[22:14] <RoyK> EvilResistance: I know the habit, but I have found the off switch
[22:16] <EvilResistance> xubuntu:  now i dont follow you
[22:16] <EvilResistance> perhaps RoyK will
[22:18] <RoyK> xubuntu: I don't think it makes much sense, no :P
[22:19] <RoyK> xubuntu: please explain exactly what you're trying to do
[22:23] <xubuntu> ok this is hard to explain since i'm a newb i have sabnzbd+ installed on my computer i want to be able to have it used my ssh server as a proxy via ssl port 563
[22:24] <SpamapS> xubuntu: what is sabnzbd+ ?
[22:24] <xubuntu> usenet program
[22:26] <SpamapS> xubuntu: so you want to tunnel NNTP via SSH so that it looks like you are connecting via the remote server's address?
[22:27] <xubuntu> exactly!
[22:27] <xubuntu> i knew there was a better way to explain it then what i was saying, thanks
[22:28] <xubuntu> is it even possible?
[22:32] <RoyK> so something like ssh -L 10563:nntphost:536 localhost
[22:32] <xubuntu> 10563?
[22:32] <kschap> Is there a distro that'll run on a 32-bit computer?
[22:33] <RoyK> that'll make ssh listen to 10563/tcp and connect to nntphost port 536
[22:33] <RoyK> kschap: yeah, things like ubuntu runs on 32bit machines too ;)
[22:33] <kschap> Server RoyK?
[22:33] <RoyK> xubuntu: just avoiding port 536 since it's <1024 and ports <1024 are reserved for root
[22:33] <RoyK> kschap: yes
[22:33] <EvilResistance> kschap:  you can download 32bit server if you want
[22:33] <EvilResistance> i think it exists....
[22:34] <EvilResistance> *checks*
[22:34] <kschap> Really?
[22:34] <RoyK> it certainly does
[22:34] <kschap> Did not know that.
[22:34]  * RoyK has several 32bit servers around
[22:34] <EvilResistance> yep its available
[22:34] <kschap> It's on the main Ubuntu website?
[22:34] <EvilResistance> kschap:  yes
[22:34] <EvilResistance> kschap:
[22:34] <EvilResistance> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download
[22:34] <EvilResistance> whoops forgot that link ;P
[22:34] <kschap> Cool thanks!
[22:34] <xubuntu> oooh maybe that is why it is not working i can't use 563 since it's reserved for root thanks! i'll try that
[22:34] <EvilResistance> kschap:  just choose "32-bit" when you choose the architecture
[22:34] <kschap> OK
[22:34] <kschap> Thanks!
[22:35]  * RoyK just setup a pandaboard with ubuntu :D
[22:35] <xubuntu> and what does nntphost do?
[22:35] <RoyK> xubuntu: that's your nntp server
[22:35]  * pmatulis got a pandaboard but neglected to get a power supply for it
[22:35] <RoyK> pmatulis: any 5V thing will do
[22:35] <RoyK> or most
[22:35] <xubuntu> RoyK thank you
[22:36] <pmatulis> RoyK: yeah, i don't like taking chances with voltage, ordered a proper p/s
[22:36] <RoyK> xubuntu: man ssh and read about the flags -n -f and -N...
[22:36] <RoyK> pmatulis: 5V is 5V :þ
[22:37] <RoyK> xubuntu: I've added -o ExitOnForwardFailure yes -o ServerAliveInterval 5 -o ServerAliveCountMax 3 to my tunnels
[22:38] <RoyK> pmatulis: normal pandaboad or ES?
[22:38] <xubuntu> thanks again! will definitely try it out
[22:38] <RoyK> pmatulis: btw, most of those SD cards are SLOOOOOW
[22:39] <Kumar> Hi every one
[22:39] <Kumar> i need some help
[22:39] <RoyK> running off a sandisk 32GB card here that's supposed to give me 20MB/s, but can't get >10MB/s, which is rather on the low side....
[22:40] <RoyK> !ask
[22:40] <Kumar> I am had installed Ubuntu Server 11.10. I wanted to know if there is a way to install the GUI
[22:40] <RoyK> kschap: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <kschap> What's that?
[22:41] <RoyK> erj
[22:41] <RoyK> erm...
[22:41] <RoyK> Kumar: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <RoyK> kschap: never mind :P
[22:41] <Kumar> Thank q so much
[22:41] <kschap> Oh OK.
[22:41] <Kumar> :-)
[23:04] <xubuntu> RoyK is nntphost:563 a command for ssh?
[23:09] <_Neytiri_> I am having a issue with my system, my old install of 10.4 crashed on me and when i reinstalled i  my raid array didnt come back online, i copied the fstab file and rebooted and still no luck, all my drives came back but my raided drives, it was a software raid consisting of 2 phisical 2 tb disks, 3 drives created off of them 1 4gb driv (raid 0) and 2 998 gig drives (raid 1).  Under the
[23:09] <_Neytiri_> Disk utility (yes i installed a gui) i try to start the raid and get the error: not enough componunts to start the raid array
[23:19] <wmp> hello, how to disable this logs: TCP: Peer <IP_ADDRESS>:55814/51753 unexpectedly shrunk window 429997799:429999424 (repaired)
[23:22] <yann2> hello! I know there has been quite an issue with sun's java lately - but I'm getting it as proposed for removal on my ubuntu 10.10 servers? Is that normal?
[23:24] <arrrghhh> hello.  has anyone setup a PXE provisioning server before?  it seems this is possible, i'd like to be able to send linux and windows images over the network.
[23:24] <arrrghhh> i've done linux images over PXE before, but i'm struggling sending windows images.  i found a few guides, but i quickly get lost.  anyone done this before?
[23:26] <EvilResistance> arrrghhh:  ##windows might be more useful for your windows needs
[23:26] <EvilResistance> or ##windows-server
[23:27] <arrrghhh> EvilResistance, well the problem is i want the provisioning server to be linux...
[23:27] <EvilResistance> ah
[23:27] <EvilResistance> nevermind then :P
[23:27] <arrrghhh> i already have a linux server, so this *should* be simple.
[23:28] <arrrghhh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro
[23:29] <arrrghhh> that seems freakin awesome
[23:29] <arrrghhh> i just don't know how to fit win7 or even xp into that...
[23:36] <Lcawte> Hi, I've finally got into my server install, but I have to go through another disks grub... I have to go into commadn line and set the configfile to the server disk, any reason why its not working from the server disk?
[23:36] <Lcawte> And how I can fix it?
[23:36] <arrrghhh> so GRUB is on the wrong hdd...?
[23:37] <arrrghhh> is that the problem?
[23:38] <Lcawte> no... I have a copy on both hard drives (with different config files), but only one of them will load after post, disk a (a desktop) requires me to go into command line and reset configfile to get into disk b's grub. Disk b doesn't let me into its own grub when I boot up...
[23:39] <arrrghhh> why not just set your BIOS to boot from disk b instead of disk a?
[23:40] <Lcawte> I do, but it won't let me boot into disk b's grub even when I do that
[23:41] <arrrghhh> i'm confused...
[23:41] <arrrghhh> disk b is where server is installed
[23:41] <Lcawte> yes
[23:41] <arrrghhh> but disk b's grub is completely not functional?
[23:42] <Lcawte> I can not boot into the grub on disk b, unless I have disk a set in bios at the bootable device and I boot through its command line
[23:42] <arrrghhh> so grub works on disk b, assuming you don't boot from disk b
[23:42] <arrrghhh> that makes no sense
[23:42] <arrrghhh> have you tried re-installing grub on disk b?
[23:42] <arrrghhh> you'll have to do it from a live environment, or when booted into disk a.
[23:43] <Lcawte> hmm, ok, I'll try that
[23:44] <Lcawte> "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Sector 32 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it. This software may cause boot or other problems in future. Please ask its author not to store data in the boot track."
[23:44] <Lcawte> Hmm, what the?
[23:44] <arrrghhh> never heard of that before
[23:44] <arrrghhh> FlexNet...?
[23:45] <Lcawte> Yeah, me neither
[23:47] <arrrghhh> http://askubuntu.com/questions/31289/dual-booting-on-separate-hard-drives
[23:51] <Lcawte> Yeah, I just found that... so, I read something about if grub wasn't there, it'd boot to the partition makrked as "boot" partition
[23:53] <zastaph> is the CAP_NET_ADMIN capability still required to do KVM in Ubuntu lucid? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking


[09:09] <Dro> Hello world!
[09:14] <praisethemoon> Hi all!
[09:22] <elacheche> Hey folks!
[09:30] <praisethemoon> Hello :D
[09:36] <Dro> praisethemoon: always praising the moon ! :/
[09:37] <davlefou> Bonjour les jeunes!
[09:39] <praisethemoon> Dro, YES
[09:39] <praisethemoon> at least until my domain name expires xd
[09:39] <praisethemoon> So how is going?
[09:39] <praisethemoon> davlefou, ca va?
[09:40] <Dro> praisethemoon: i don't think it will expire
[09:42] <davlefou> Oui, je vais bien et vous?
[09:42] <davlefou> Apparement, il y aurait un truc Monastir?
[09:46] <praisethemoon> Je vais bien merci
[09:46] <praisethemoon> uhh je suis pas au courant
[09:46] <praisethemoon> elacheche, il ya quelque chose a mounastir?
[09:49] <davlefou> J'ai vue le courriel passer ce matin, un truc par Bader.
[09:50] <elacheche> I don't have details too, we'll wait for Bader to share more details :p the information was sent to the CLibre ML
[09:51] <elacheche> nzoueidi: wvdial is amazing x) works from the 1st try (after enabling PPP)
[09:51] <nzoueidi> o/
[09:51] <nzoueidi> Glad to know that :D
[09:53] <elacheche> Enabled OpenVPN support too.. I was surprised to see that it's just ONE param to change in the kernel cfg x) Tonight I'll add Docker needed cfg to my kernel
[09:58] <nzoueidi> It would be useful if you share your kernel cfg  with us via github or gitlab :D
[10:01] <elacheche> It's already there (gitlab & github)
[10:01] <elacheche> You check the profile you like :D
[10:02] <elacheche> 1st commit date of 3 months ago
[10:24] <davlefou> J'attend plus d'information!
[12:53] <nzoueidi> Cool :D


[20:03] <juliank> FTR in case anyone was wondering about the foundations meeting, plenty of people at sprint and there wasn't much to discuss with the archive not open yet.
[20:03] <juliank> Status updates can be found in the discourse as usual: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-27-april-2023/
[20:04] <juliank> At least some of them :)
[20:04] <juliank> The next meeting will be on May 11


[14:54] <Delapouite> hi! is something could that be done to help releasing a new nightly version on the ubuntu PPA : http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/ ?
[14:55] <Delapouite> last update is from 11 of May


[00:05] <Red-raven> 34%......wow.......
[00:05] <Red-raven> cani edit and delete partitions from the XP install disk holstein?
[00:39] <shawn146> holstein you still there?
[00:45] <shawn146> hmm
[00:49] <holstein> shawn146: i was napping L)
[00:49] <holstein>  :) *
[00:49] <holstein> im back now
[00:50] <holstein> Red-raven: you can edit partitions that xp reads and writes
[00:50] <holstein> fat and ntfs
[00:50] <holstein> well, you can delete others
[00:50] <johnny77> Can someone please explain the difference between Xubuntu & xfce. I know that xfce is the desktop environment which Xubuntu uses. But what separates Xubuntu from just xfce?
[00:51] <holstein> johnny77: imagine you want to make a linux distro
[00:51] <holstein> and you want to use XFCE for the DE
[00:51] <pleia2> johnny77: different default applications
[00:51] <holstein> whatever other choices you want to make
[00:51] <holstein> file manager
[00:51] <holstein> mediaplayer
[00:51] <holstein> those kind of packages and others
[00:52] <holstein> thats what xubuntu is
[00:53] <holstein> the xubuntu team would make those choices
[00:53] <holstein> default apps, theme, wallpaper, whatever else
[00:54] <johnny77> brb, sorry grabbing a bite to eat.
[00:59] <Red-raven> eighty....one.....%.....keep......crawling....
[01:04] <shawn146> ok i am setting up justin.tv
[01:10] <shawn146> here we go
[01:10] <shawn146> http://www.justin.tv/shawn146
[01:12] <shawn146> to holstein
[01:12] <shawn146> and anybody else who would like to help
[01:16] <johnny77> If I like the packages that came with Ubuntu, but want a light weight DE, then I should install xfce instead of Xubuntu.
[01:17] <holstein> johnny77: check out lxde
[01:17] <holstein> there are metapackages too
[01:17] <holstein> xubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop... etc
[01:17] <holstein> lxde is one of those you can just install though
[01:18] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[01:18] <holstein> and usually just works
[01:18] <shawn146> hmm
[01:18] <shawn146> anyone on me channel yet?
[01:18] <shawn146> http://www.justin.tv/shawn146
[01:19] <holstein> shawn146: im trying to find a browser that "likes" it
[01:19] <shawn146> oh lol
[01:20] <johnny77> holstein: I originally installed Ubuntu, then added Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Kubuntu. Kubuntu too much for my netbook; Lubuntu too little options. I liked Xubuntu, but cleaned them all off to have a cleaner system.
[01:21] <johnny77> holstein: now I'm trying to decide if I want to install Xubuntu or would just installing the xfce DE be enough to get what I wanted.
[01:21] <holstein> shawn146: midori seems to like it OK
[01:21] <shawn146> midori?
[01:21] <holstein> i blame flash though
[01:22] <holstein> midori browser
[01:22] <holstein> johnny77: if you're wanting something light
[01:22] <holstein> check out lxde
[01:22] <holstein> its been argued that xubuntu has become about as heavy as the gnomre verion
[01:22] <holstein> gnome*
[01:22] <holstein> i personally dont think its that extreme
[01:23] <holstein> BUT i find lxde lighter
[01:24] <Red-raven><PHONE_NUMBER>9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:24] <shawn146> can you  see it holstein?
[01:24] <holstein> shawn146: yup
[01:24] <shawn146> oh you left
[01:24] <johnny77> holstein: are you familiar with lxde? When I tried it, it seemed as if there where not as many options about panels, menu etc.
[01:24] <shawn146> i see one person on my channe;l
[01:24] <holstein> shawn146: well, i could...
[01:24] <shawn146> myself o.o
[01:25] <holstein> yeah
[01:25] <holstein> im back
[01:25] <shawn146> ?
[01:25] <shawn146> try talking in the channel
[01:25] <holstein> they want me to register
[01:29] <shawn146> you there holstein
[01:29] <shawn146> yea its free tor egister
[01:29] <shawn146> you can actually type
[01:29] <shawn146> i created one
[01:30] <shawn146> to  type in other channels lol , and broadcast
[01:30] <harrisonk> hello all
[01:31] <shawn146> hi
[01:31] <holstein> shawn146: i'll look into it in a bit... i gotta run for a while... BBL
[01:31] <johnny77> hi
[01:32] <shawn146> oh
[01:32] <shawn146> ...
[01:32] <shawn146> seems i did all this for nothing
[01:33] <harrisonk> Why is the flightgear in synaptic version 1.9.1?
[01:33] <harrisonk> and not 2.0.0/
[01:33] <harrisonk> *?
[01:34] <harrisonk> 2.2.0 is coming out soon as well
[02:05] <ColdPhoenix> hello
[02:06] <johnny77> If I wanted to install just the xfce DE and not the full Xubuntu, can I do that out of the repositories or do I need to download.
[02:21] <Negative_One> I'm having trouble using tasksel to add audio and graphics suites
[02:27] <Red-raven> Hey the ISO is done. how do i burn it again?
[02:27]
 can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how?
[02:27]
 you
[02:27] <Red-raven> scan disk?
[02:28]
 right click on it and burn to disk
[02:28] <Red-raven> whats a scan disk?
[02:28]
 yeah a mirco scan disk card
[02:28] <Cheri703> sandisk
[02:28] <Cheri703> ?
[02:28] <Red-raven> sandisk. thought so.
[02:28]
 their like usb flash drives with out the sub
[02:28]
 usb
[02:29] <Red-raven> like a memory chip?
[02:29]
 yeah
[02:29]
 out of disks
[02:29] <Cheri703> sd card?
[02:29]
 yeah
[02:29] <Cheri703> probably just like making a liveUSB I'd imagine
[02:29] <Red-raven> if your BIOS had the option the boot from that port, i think so. but it probably can't.
[02:29]
 never done that before
[02:30] <Cheri703> yeah, MAKING it isn't necessarily the issue, USING it would be
[02:30] <Cheri703> are you using ubuntu now BR ?
[02:30]
 yes
[02:30] <Cheri703> go to system > administration > startup disk creator
[02:30] <Cheri703> or something like that
[02:31] <Cheri703> and you can choose the iso and make a liveUSB (or sd probably)
[02:31]
 ok thats
[02:31]
 thanks
[02:31] <Red-raven> hey what do i do to burn a disk with the ISO again?
[02:31] <Cheri703> Red-raven: are you in ubuntu?
[02:33] <Red-raven> win7
[02:34] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:34] <Cheri703> do you have a cd burning software? other than a media player?
[02:34] <Cheri703> if not, download imgburn, it's free
[02:35] <Red-raven> yah win7 had it built in.
[02:35] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:35] <Cheri703> you just need to do a "burn as image" or something like that
[02:35] <Cheri703> otherwise it'll just put the file on the disk and it won't be bootable
[02:36]
 its not working
[02:36] <Cheri703> BR: do you not have a usb drive?
[02:36]
 no just sd card
[02:37] <Cheri703> no cd's?
[02:37]
 nope
[02:39] <Red-raven> burning it now. this is the only thing that makes my rig run hot.
[02:40] <Cheri703> BR: it *should* be doable to put it on the sd card properly
[02:40] <Cheri703> what isn't working? what message are you getting? not working is pretty generic
[02:41]
 the startup creater will not let me do it
[02:42] <Cheri703> in what regard?
[02:44]
 i pick the drive and go to pick the iso and doesnt load and cant make boot
[02:45] <Cheri703> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:45]
 10.10
[02:46] <Cheri703> hmm...ok. what are you using the sd card boot for?
[02:47]
 not im trying to make one
[02:47] <Cheri703> ...I'm confused then, so what are you trying to accomplish?
[02:50] <Cheri703> >> BR> can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how?
[02:50]
 yes
[02:51] <Cheri703> ok, so?
[02:53]
 so?
[02:55] <Red-raven> Burn is done. time to kill XP.
[02:59] <Red-raven> cya guys tommorow.
[04:19] <shawn146> holsein?
[04:20] <JackyAlcine> I'll ping him.
[04:20] <JackyAlcine> He's away, shawn146; I doubt he'd respond.
[04:20] <shawn146> oh
[04:21] <shawn146> could you help me with JLime linux?
[04:21] <shawn146> with the Jornada 720
[04:24] <JackyAlcine> I wouldn't be able to; I'm just a programmer.
[04:24] <JackyAlcine> Sorry.
[04:45] <Roydaman2> does anyone know if they have Trillian for ubuntu and how to find out and or install it??
[04:45] <Flare183> Roydaman2: Pidgin, and Empathy both are the linux alternatives to Trillian
[04:46] <Roydaman2> ok i cannot get empathy to work with facebook
[04:46] <Flare183> and Trillian is windows only software
[04:46] <Flare183> Roydaman2: Try pidgin
[04:46] <Flare183> !pidgin | Roydaman2
[04:46] <ubot2> Roydaman2: The Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin) supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete
[04:46] <Roydaman2> o i had it on my ipod i didnt know they have it for win
[04:47] <JackyAlcine> Roydaman2: Pidgin has a plugin for Facebook chat. If not, Empathy has it pre-installed.
[04:47] <Flare183> Roydaman2: JackyAlcine is correct :)
[04:48] <Roydaman2> ok i got pidgin how would i go about gettin the plugin?
[04:48] <Flare183> well its in the repos
[04:48] <Flare183> sudo apt-get install pidigin-facebookchat
[04:48] <Flare183> I think
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> Yup, right on the nail, Flare183
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> Use Software Center.
[04:49] <Flare183> Awesome
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> and show the hidden items.
[04:49] <Flare183> That works too ^^
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> it's a little package.
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> lol, it's a bit easier than Synaptic.
[04:49] <Flare183> Lol Yes indeed
[04:49] <Roydaman2> ok thank you guys much
[04:50] <Flare183> Its no problem at all
[04:52] <JackyAlcine> Have fun, Roydaman2
[05:58] <shawn__> hmm
[05:58] <shawn__> back
[05:58] <shawn__> lol, this time on virtual pc lol
[06:00] <shawn__> holstein is afk -_-
[06:01] <JackyAlcine> afk?
[06:01] <shawn__> you don't know what that means?
[06:02] <JackyAlcine> nope
[06:02] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: Away From Keyboard
[06:02] <JackyAlcine> ohhh
[06:02] <JackyAlcine> kkay
[06:02] <shawn__> international meaning lol
[06:02] <shawn__> and maybe universal
[07:04] <shawn156> hmm
[07:05] <shawn156> whats the delete command for terminal?
[07:05] <akshatj> shawn156: rm
[07:05] <shawn156> oh wow
[07:09] <shawn156> how do i reformat ext2?
[07:09] <shawn156> in terminal
[07:30] <shawn156> idk the reformat command
[07:44] <geekosopher> shawn156: read the info at 'man mkfs.ext2'
[07:46] <shawn156> oh
[07:46] <shawn156> very helpfull....
[07:48] <geekosopher> shawn156: read well :)
[07:49] <shawn156> -_-
[07:50] <shawn156> this is getting to stressfull
[07:51] <shawn156> although i just wanted linux on my Jornada 720, to play duke nukem 3d and such
[09:25] <wilkanaut> what's up channel
[09:43] <UndiFineD> a cloud filled sky full of snow
[11:44] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[11:45] <Puck`> hi Silver_Fox_ (:
[11:48] <Timo_> does anyone know how I can change the speed of my side-scroll button on my mouse?
[11:50] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Puck`
[11:50] <Puck`> how are you Silver_Fox_ ?
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Timo_,  System>Preferences>Mouse
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Offhand, not booted into Ubuntu at the moment
[11:51] <Puck`> Timo_: I never owned a mouse with a side scrolelr ..
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you Puck` .  how are you  ?
[11:53] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: enjoying '11 (:
[11:53] <Puck`> and looking at the new drupal 7 release
[15:40] <doez> I canno't type '@' in ubuntu, does anyone have a solution for this? The problem only applies when I have my "fglrx" graphics driver. I have a HD 5870.
[20:02] <evfool> hi all
[20:07] <aveilleux> Hello evfool
[20:14] <red-raven> hey.
[20:15] <aveilleux> hello red-raven
[20:16] <wyhteagle> hey red-raven
[20:16] <red-raven> sup guys? im rehabilitating this old XO desktop.
[20:16] <red-raven> XP*
[20:17] <wyhteagle> Congrats!
[20:20] <red-raven> im excited. second install. dual-boot ubuntu 10.10 and XP. it will be my new guinea pig machine.
[20:21] <red-raven> can anyone help me out with partitions?
[20:23] <aveilleux> red-raven: Ubuntu can automatically repartition for you.
[20:25] <red-raven> yah but thats not exactly what i need. see, this desktop is virus-riden, so i need to do a full wipe of the HD. im doing that from Gparted on a Live CD. then i need to resize the blank HD. aftter that ill take the CD  out, reinstall XP, then install ubuntu. or can it do that?
[20:26] <wyhteagle> That easiest thing to do it just delete the partition.
[20:26] <wyhteagle> Install XP using entire disk
[20:26] <aveilleux> red-raven: Erm, just delete the Windows partition in GParted
[20:26] <wyhteagle> than install ubuntu
[20:26] <aveilleux> wyhteagle +1
[20:27] <red-raven> but why dont i just delete and repartition in the Live CD, and then i wont have to do it from the XP disk?
[20:27] <aveilleux> red-raven: Because it's unnecessary
[20:28] <red-raven> but what does it matter which disk i partition from?
[20:28] <aveilleux> red-raven: It's much easier to just delete the partition in GParted, then wipe the disk using the Windows disk, then let Ubuntu automatically resize. It's all done for you.
[20:28] <wyhteagle> red-raven: we're just giveing you the easiest option.
[20:30] <red-raven> ok. so gparted is open. seems like its got 3 partitions and one unallocated. how do i tell the max partitions again?
[20:30] <aveilleux> red-raven: What do you mean by that? Using logical partitions, one can theoretically have an unlimited number of partitions.
[20:31] <red-raven> theres a restore partition, Dellutitlity, and an NTFS that i assume has windows on it.
[20:31] <red-raven> just wondering how many normal partitions.
[20:31] <red-raven> no reason really.
[20:32] <red-raven> hey nit-wit!
[20:33] <aveilleux> red-raven: Uh, I still don't know what you mean. You can have a maximum of *physical* partitions is something like four partitions, but using logical partitions one can have any number of partitions one wants (space permitting)
[20:33] <nit-wit> red-raven, hello just got out of my Wednesdays class
[20:33] <red-raven> ok cool.
[20:33] <red-raven> how was it?
[20:33] <wyhteagle> Red-Raven: just removed all of the partitions if this is a junk computer.
[20:33] <red-raven> so just right click delete everything?
[20:34] <aveilleux> red-raven: Yes
[20:34] <nit-wit> red-raven, good  I have took a course from the Teacher last term this is a womens resistance course
[20:34] <nit-wit> *taken oops
[20:35] <red-raven> cewl.
[20:36] <red-raven> wiping the HD leaves the BIOS intact because its built into the motherboard right?
[20:37] <wyhteagle> red-raven right
[20:37] <red-raven> alright then. everything is wiped. that was really fast.
[20:37] <aveilleux> red-raven: Well, yes. The drive itself isn't *really* wiped; the data is still there. The space was just de-allocated, though.
[20:38] <aveilleux> red-raven: If you want to really wipe the drive, tell the Windows XP install disc to format as NTFS (but NOT the quick option)
[20:38] <red-raven> ok got it. booting from XP disk now.
[20:39] <red-raven> so the data is all jumbled up?
[20:39] <aveilleux> red-raven: Random garbage is written to the disk. So there's no coherent data on the "free space" on the disk.
[20:40] <aveilleux> ....man, I think I run WIndows too efficiently.
[20:40] <red-raven> meaning?
[20:40] <aveilleux> It's been three months since I ran CCleaner, and it only removed 145 MB.
[20:40] <aveilleux> (CCleaner removes temp files and other garbage that can collect over time)
[20:41] <red-raven> ....wow. *switches it on* BLUE SCREEN OF DEATHHHHH!
[20:42] <aveilleux> Yes, Windows uses white text on a blue screen for installation.
[20:42] <aveilleux> Windows XP, anyway.
[20:43] <red-raven> ok so i have just the one unallocated partiton thing now. do i: set up windows XP, Create a partiton in an unpartitioned space, or delete the partiton? idk if the last one would wipe it.
[20:44] <aveilleux> red-raven: ...you shouldn't have any partitions at all... Unpartitioned space is the lack of a partition, not an unallocated partition.
[20:44] <aveilleux> red-raven: Did you, perhaps, not hit "apply" in GParted?
[20:44] <red-raven> well, thats what i meant.
[20:44] <red-raven> no it is all unallocated. ignore that.
[20:45] <aveilleux> red-raven: Allocate as much space as you can into one huge NTFS partition, then tell it to do the slow format.
[20:45] <aveilleux> red-raven: Then go make lunch or something, you'll be there a while.
[20:45] <red-raven> so which do i press then, create partition in unpartitioned space?
[20:45] <aveilleux> red-raven: yes
[20:45] <red-raven> (its all unalocated)
[20:46] <red-raven> ok thx.
[20:47] <nit-wit> red-raven, are you installing the XP?
[20:47] <red-raven> why is there still 8 MB that cant go into the new partiton? sorry for all the seemingly unrelated questions. i just like to know as much as i can for learning purposes.
[20:47] <red-raven> yes.
[20:47] <nit-wit> red-raven, viva XP
[20:48] <red-raven> best OS they made. 7 might be better though.
[20:48] <aveilleux> ugh
[20:48] <aveilleux> XP is awful
[20:49] <red-raven> um, Vista?
[20:49] <aveilleux> After SP1 it's pretty damn fantastic,
[20:49] <aveilleux> .
[20:49] <red-raven> anyways, whats with the 8 MB?
[20:49] <nit-wit> red-raven, what was the linux you wanted on there?
[20:49] <red-raven> yah if your system isn't too cripled to DL the SPI.....
[20:49] <aveilleux> You can't allocate the last 8MB because NTFS likes to round to the nearest cylinder. Chances are, your hard drive isn't *exactly* whatever size, so it has a tiny bit of overflow.
[20:50] <aveilleux> red-raven: Then... install it with SP1? I really don't see the issue here.
[20:50] <red-raven> standered Ubuntu. then maybe some environments. why?
[20:50] <red-raven> @nit-wit btw
[20:50] <aveilleux> red-raven: Vista wasn't exactly cripp'ed before SP1; SP1 just fixed a lot of the problems. Did you /use/ it?
[20:51] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, the word "Vista" should be banned from this IRC
[20:51] <nit-wit> red-raven the one you mentioned I firget the name I could,t get installed in a virtual and was grub-legacy
[20:51] <wyhteagle> It should kick you everytime you say it
[20:51] <aveilleux> Why?
[20:51] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Has a Helpdesk guy I have a personal Hate for Vista
[20:51] <red-raven> know people who did. both really good tech's. one even tried to put Linux on his. Vista botched it.
[20:52] <aveilleux> How did Vista botch anything? OSs can't affect each other.
[20:52] <aveilleux> That's really not how it works.
[20:52] <nit-wit> aveilleux, that sp1 should upgrade all the way to sp3 is this correct
[20:52] <wyhteagle> red-raven, Ya Vista wouldn't Botch a Linux install
[20:52] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Methinks you should try it out instead of just complaining about it, hmm?
[20:53] <aveilleux> am I like the only person ever who used Vista?
[20:53] <red-raven> IDK how, i didnt get details. i will next time.
[20:53] <nit-wit> wyhteagle, your just not being specific here any OS can botch another if the user is not familiar
[20:53] <red-raven> in this IRC? probably.
[20:53] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, I personally used Vista for about a year. I didn't Mind using it but I know what I'm doing. Supporting it though was a nightmare
[20:54] <aveilleux> red-raven: They might have used Wubi, but Wubi is an awful system
[20:54] <wyhteagle> nit-wit, Agreed sorry I'll be better with my wording
[20:54] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Supporting it? "Click the Start menu. Type <Control Panel Applet here>. Click. Be happy."
[20:55] <nit-wit> wyhteagle, it is easy to misinterpret something and use that as a methodology when it may be flwed in design and perception no big deal.:)
[20:55] <red-raven> the same guy i mentioned, his rig couldn't even watch netflicks. shut down at the same point in the movie. also it couldn't handle rendering a simple video.
[20:55] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Unless these people were masochists and left UAC turned on.
[20:55] <red-raven> ....how are we discussing this here? its the ubuntu beginner forum.
[20:56] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Most did but the biggest issues were in Proformance and Printers
[20:56] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: That's on the hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft.
[20:56] <nit-wit> aveilleux, try sayng that on the ##windos channel the UAC is the safety of the OS to them by and large, in the root and all lol
[20:56] <red-raven> UAC?
[20:56] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Well then they're ninnies.
[20:56] <wyhteagle> nit-wit, <shivers at the thought>
[20:57] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I tried to give them a better ideal but they know everything.
[20:57] <wyhteagle> At least in Win 7 they made turning UAC off that much easier
[20:57] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Just like the BSOD. Windows itself almost never bluescreens (and Vista actually has driver crash recovery so it doesn't matter) and it's usually a faulty driver.
[20:57] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: It... was a button in Vista. "Click here to turn off UAC."
[20:58] <nit-wit> I leave it on in W7 the I can't run a root process without it in a limited acont unless I missed something
[20:58] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Yes but it was hidden in a tiny control Users portion and required a restart to accually do anything.
[20:58] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: It was in the sidebar of the default Users control applet.
[20:59] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, When I took my 76-680 test the big portion was on UAC. and theory was to just it off
[20:59] <nit-wit> red-raven, UAC is that opo-up protector that asks you are you sure you want to runn this
[20:59] <nit-wit> *popup
[20:59] <red-raven> just skimed the wiki article. that what the apple comercials were pointing out wasn't it?
[20:59] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Yes I'm being a little sarcastic because I really didn't like Vista
[21:00] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: I don't know what that is, but I don't really care either.  It's really obvious and there are like six ways to do it.
[21:00] <aveilleux> huge*
[21:00] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Agreed.
[21:00] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: I managed to get through the MCAS for Windows Vista without encountering any questions about UAC, so apparently Microsoft itself doesn't deem it important enough to teach about.
[21:02] <red-raven> hey whats up with FF? some of the text is either on another language or a freakish font.
[21:02] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Weird because both the Vista, configuring and the win 7, configuring certs had alot of questions related to it. 70-685 was big into it also
[21:03] <nit-wit> red-raven, is the different language from a google search
[21:03] <red-raven> oh Mcast? ive taken it for MS Power point 2007.
[21:03] <red-raven> yah i think so.
[21:03] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: UAC is a terrible piece of software and the only thing anyone should ever know about it is "turn it off".
[21:04] <nit-wit> red-raven, if google doesn't have english or your native language set it will bring up others
[21:04] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, LOL I won't argue that
[21:04] <red-raven> oh ok. how do i do that? i can't read it.
[21:09] <red-raven> NVM found it. it was a link of some sorts on the home page but it changed it permenantly.
[21:11] <nit-wit> red-raven, are you asking how do you set the google search?
[21:11] <red-raven> yah and i found it.
[21:12] <nit-wit> red-raven, cool I have my google set to search via https
[21:13] <red-raven> why?
[21:13] <nit-wit> red-raven, it is a encrypted search https://encrypted.google.com/webhp?hl=en
[21:14] <nit-wit> red-raven, this is it set to english
[21:14] <red-raven> so whats it for besides no history?
[21:14] <nit-wit> red-raven, the geekiness I guess,
[21:15] <red-raven> oh so thats really it?
[21:15] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have FF set to never rember anything and a few choice addons blocking stuff to begin with
[21:16] <red-raven> oh ok.  btw XP is almost done. feels like fankinstien, except im using the original parts.
[21:16] <nit-wit> red-raven, funny thing is though even though my browser has a small footprint it is unique overall so it stands out
[21:17] <red-raven> visually?
[21:17] <nit-wit> red-raven, no with a site that does browser scanning and comparison with others that run the comparison forget the site name
[21:18] <nit-wit> red-raven, xp the frankenputer
[21:19] <wyhteagle> afk
[21:19] <red-raven> nit-wit what do yo u mean comparison? of what?
[21:20] <nit-wit> red-raven, this site looks at the browser and the fingerprint so to speak and compres it with others that people run.
[21:20] <nit-wit> *compares
[21:20] <red-raven> for what purpose?
[21:21] <nit-wit> red-raven, some of us want a small fingerprint and as much privacy and safety as possible
[21:21] <aveilleux> red-raven: statistics
[21:22] <nit-wit> aveilleux, do you remember or know the site?
[21:22] <red-raven> ok oh so just for fyn then. how does it give a small footprint?';
[21:22] <red-raven> fun*
[21:23] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have cookie blockers flash blockers adblockers, basically less information is gathered about me in general.
[21:24] <nit-wit> red-raven, I also do't have to see any adds
[21:24] <nit-wit> *don't
[21:24] <red-raven> oh. ill have to get those sometime. are most of them FF add-ons?
[21:25] <nit-wit> red-raven, I'm talking about FF but chromium has some to as well as opera
[21:25] <aveilleux> red-raven: Opera has content blocking built-in, as well as some moderately-useful script and cookie blocking plugins
[21:26] <nit-wit> red-raven, really on a windows set up noscript is the first defense it is a FF addon
[21:26] <nit-wit> aveilleux, yeah and youcan add the fanboys list in opera as well
[21:26] <nit-wit> the weak link is always the user though
[21:27] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Beg pardon?
[21:27] <red-raven> whats the fanboy list?
[21:27] <nit-wit> aveilleux, to what
[21:27] <red-raven> its alive! never thought i'd see it up again.
[21:28] <aveilleux> nit-wit: The sentence you directed toward me. What is the "fanboys list"?
[21:28] <nit-wit> red-raven, fan boy is part of the FF addon addblock a choice of blocking for adds
[21:28] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I wil l post it hold on
[21:29] <nit-wit> here is the fanboy link.  http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/
[21:29] <red-raven> cool. can't get many for the windows FF because its beta 4, but ill definatly put it on Linux.
[21:29] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have FF 3,6,13 and four runing
[21:30] <red-raven> ....why?
[21:30] <nit-wit> red-raven, basically the addons work in 3.6 and I want them, ff4 for watching it develop
[21:31] <aveilleux> red-raven: He means 3.6.13. Commas are used in place of the decimal point outside North America
[21:31] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I'm just a bad typer.
[21:31] <aveilleux> Or that.
[21:31] <red-raven> oh lol.
[21:32] <nit-wit> red-raven, I will try to get that together, I use a netbook with 90% key size that is my excuse and I'm sticking with it :)
[21:33] <nit-wit> aveilleux, do you see the fanboy's list
[21:34] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Yes, it's similar to a list I keep locally
[21:34] <red-raven> lol. man XP is taking forever. one flood bar after another.
[21:34] <red-raven> so you guys check if-y sites against it?
[21:34] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I like opera but hardly use it.
[21:36] <aveilleux> red-raven: No, I use Norton DNS to protect against blacklisted sites and I use Opera's content blocker to block ads and other URLs.
[21:36] <nit-wit> I use it to get to the College web sign in, FF with noscript has to have the abe boundaries off to get in a hassle really
[21:37] <red-raven> why does Kubuntu have its own blue symbol? or do all the ubuntu environments have their own version?
[21:38] <aveilleux> red-raven: All the official variations have their own logo.
[21:38] <red-raven> oh ok thx. sorry for all the random questions. i just like to know as much as possible.
[21:39] <red-raven> like is this one of those partial installs you warned me about? http://imagebin.org/131173
[21:40] <aveilleux> red-raven: No
[21:40] <aveilleux> red-raven: You're thinking of a "partial upgrade", which won't happen to you since you're not upgrading Ubuntu
[21:41] <red-raven> what are they used for? to get 10.10 to 10.04 or something?
[21:42] <aveilleux> red-raven: It's when an upgrade from one version to another (ex. 10.04 to 10.10) fails for some reason or another, but not catastrophically
[21:42] <nit-wit> red-raven, your looking at a in the same OS upgrade and it would tell if it was partial, sometimes it happens in the development part of a OS before release, or on a upgrade to the next OS like Lucid to Mavrick
[21:42] <aveilleux> brbreboot
[21:44] <red-raven> oh thx. Xp is done. time for linux.
[21:59] <nit-wit> red-raven, so I would say make sure that the Linux is using grub2 unless you know about adding to the grub-legacy menu.list.
[22:00] <red-raven> ok. how? or do i need to install it to know?
[22:01] <aveilleux> red-raven: If you're using anything after 9.04 you're already using GRUB2
[22:01] <red-raven> ok its 10.10 so im good.
[22:02] <red-raven> how am i able to connect to the internet? i have a wireless antena in the back of the rig but the drivers for it must have been wiped. but its still working. just how many drivers does ubuntu have buit-in?
[22:02] <aveilleux> red-raven: Many
[22:03] <aveilleux> red-raven: Linux doesn't use Windows drivers anyway
[22:04] <red-raven> oh ok that makes sense. so if it didm't have the drivers built-in i'd be toast? unless i USB'd the drivers over.
[22:04] <aveilleux> red-raven: Does it not have an ethernet port?
[22:04] <red-raven> or right.
[22:04] <red-raven> oh*
[22:04] <nit-wit> red-raven, you wanted some slak variation before that was grub-legacy that is why I mentioned it
[22:05] <nit-wit> aveilleux, this computer has 512 ram I believe
[22:06] <aveilleux> nit-wit: *blinkblink* Erm, okay?
[22:06] <red-raven> it does. so do i need legacy or is grub2 ok for slimer footprints?
[22:07] <nit-wit> aveilleux, red-raven was lookng for lighter setup originally that is what i meant.Ubuntu will run a litle slower but will run at 512.
[22:07] <red-raven> ive already noticed significant lag in this machine.
[22:07] <aveilleux> red-raven: It makes no difference, the bootloader doesn't impact the OS performance.
[22:08] <red-raven> compared to my laptop anyways, which while running Ubuntu hasn't paused once.
[22:09] <nit-wit> aveilleux, but the user should know the depth of the mud there stepping into, before stepping in.
[22:09] <red-raven> i know. im wondering if i can get other (slimer) environments with grub2, or if i need legancy.
[22:09] <red-raven> legacy*
[22:09] <red-raven> what mud?
[22:10] <nit-wit> red-raven, mud is a metaphor for a little more work needed
[22:10] <nit-wit> maybe
[22:10] <red-raven> i know. whats the work?
[22:11] <red-raven> getting grub-legacy, or the slower RAM?
[22:11] <nit-wit> red-raven, grub-legacy generally has to have a file modified to see other OS. Grub2 does it automatically.
[22:12] <nit-wit> red-raven, ram=speed
[22:12] <red-raven> i know. thats what i meant.
[22:12] <nit-wit> red-raven, grub-legacy is no big deal I just want you prepared since your a new user.:)
[22:14] <red-raven> so do i need legacy for other environments? or does it depend on the environment?
[22:14] <nit-wit> red-raven, some OS come with grub-legacy and can be upgraded to grub2
[22:15] <red-raven> why not just make it come with grub2
[22:15] <red-raven> ?*
[22:15] <aveilleux> red-raven: Out of date
[22:15] <steemed> Very out of date
[22:15] <nit-wit> red-raven, most open source will run with grub-leagacy or grub2. Personnaly I like gru2 as it is a auot find=os-prober of the other OS's on the HD
[22:16] <nit-wit> steemed, arch doesn't seem to think so
[22:16] <steemed> nit-wit, They don't have grub2?
[22:16] <nit-wit> many geeky OS still run grub-legacy
[22:16] <steemed> As in lightweight
[22:17] <nit-wit> steemed, nope I think you can upgrade it though
[22:17] <red-raven> oh ok. well aren't all the ubuntu environments up-to-date?
[22:17] <steemed> Yes
[22:17] <nit-wit> red-raven, from the ones metioned and beyond
[22:17] <nit-wit> *mentioned.
[22:17] <red-raven> ok well then they would all have grub 2?
[22:18] <steemed> Most desktop OS use grub 2
[22:18] <red-raven> and you can only get ubuntu environments on an ubuntu install?
[22:19] <aveilleux> red-raven: What? The only "ubuntu environment" is Unity, which is made by Canonical
[22:19] <nit-wit> steemed, be careful here as that isn't necessarily true, and creates a false information system with a user not hip to this stuff
[22:19] <steemed> aveilleux, not yet
[22:19] <red-raven> xubuntu?
[22:19] <red-raven> BRB
[22:20] <steemed> Xubuntu is a XFCE environment
[22:20] <steemed> Kubuntu is KDE 4.?
[22:20] <nit-wit> steemed, red-raven is like 4-5 days into Linux we have to be careful with broad statements here I think
[22:20] <steemed> nit-wit, why did he come?
[22:21] <steemed> aveilleux, Unity is only used on Ubuntu netbook
[22:21] <steemed> Oh wait
[22:21] <steemed> You're correct in ownership
[22:21] <steemed> Duh XD
[22:21] <aveilleux> steemed: Not for much longer.
[22:21] <nit-wit> steemed, you will have to ask them.:) the thrill I suspect of more control probably.
[22:21] <steemed> I came for security and Formula One speed
[22:22] <steemed> Alllll riiiiiiggghhht
[22:22] <steemed>  ;)
[22:22] <nit-wit> steemed, unity is the default for natty
[22:22] <steemed> Yep
[22:22] <steemed> I know
[22:22]  * steemed makes note of his old cloak
[22:22] <steemed> /ubuntu/member :)
[22:22] <nit-wit> I never liked grub-legacy I always upgrade to grub2 when I can if needed
[22:22] <steemed> Used to be a big member
[22:22] <steemed> Not anymore; bus
[22:23] <steemed> busy
[22:47] <red-raven> I came for fun. thought it would be cool to put a new OS on my rig, and i would learn a lot, and i certainly have/
[22:47] <red-raven> .*
[22:49] <red-raven> nit-wit, about the environments. can you DL any Linux environment onto Ubuntu, or just ones like X,L,K,ubuntu etc?
[22:50] <nit-wit> red-raven, do you mean desktops that will run in Ubuntu?
[22:51] <red-raven> yes.
[22:51] <aveilleux> red-raven: XFCE, LXDE, KDE, GNOME, Black/Flux/Openbox
[22:51] <nit-wit> aveilleux, thanks those are the ones
[22:51] <aveilleux> red-raven: There are so many more
[22:51] <red-raven> so can any go onto ubuntu? or just certain ones?
[22:52] <aveilleux> red-raven: Most of them are available in the repos, all of them will compile and run
[22:52] <nit-wit> red-raven, you can install as many as you want although they will overlap into each other. You can choose which one at the login scree
[22:53] <nit-wit> *screen
[22:53] <red-raven> overlap?
[22:54] <nit-wit> red-raven, you will see programs from the other desktop that are not part of just a single desktops setup
[22:54] <nit-wit> red-raven, but you can also totally remove any one of them and install another
[22:55] <red-raven> if i remove one will the overlaped files go away?
[22:55] <nit-wit> red-raven, if done correctly yes
[22:56] <nit-wit> red-raven, more like overlapped programs just extra stuff it can get a bit confusing so be careful.
[22:56] <red-raven> ok awesome. well im at the partitioning screen for installing ubuntu on the XP. it shows one partition at 79990 MB with 3231 MB used. what do i shrink it to?
[22:57] <jabumbo> i am having trouble installing version 10.10
[22:57] <nit-wit> red-raven, you probably wont break it by just adding stuff=desktops, but if your not familiar with what each one offers in its stand alone stae it can get confusing
[22:57] <jabumbo> it says it can not mount /dev/loop0
[22:57] <nit-wit> *state
[22:58] <nit-wit> jabumbo, are you trying alooped ISO install?
[22:58] <red-raven> ok tnx.
[22:58] <red-raven> h*
[22:59] <jabumbo> trying on a newly built PC
[22:59] <nit-wit> red-raven, here is a great link in the lower lest panel you will see playing around this gives a little bit of insight. The site is great overall. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[23:02] <jabumbo> would it be easier to install windows first?
[23:02] <aveilleux> jabumbo: To do a dual-boot? Yes, always install Windows first/
[23:03] <nit-wit> jabumbo, what is your final goal here, and  agree with the windows first if you have a choice
[23:04] <jabumbo> the new PC is for gaming and backup
[23:04] <jabumbo> so the laptop isn't so bogged down
[23:04] <jabumbo> the HDD was used as backup storage externally until now
[23:05] <nit-wit> jabumbo, I meant what operating systems do you want in the end
[23:06] <jabumbo> i've never been a big fan of all the junk windows comes with, so i was hoping to get away from it
[23:07] <jabumbo> i won't install it at all if i am still able to run all of the games without it
[23:07] <jabumbo> windows, that is
[23:15] <nit-wit> jabumbo, do you need help?
[23:15] <jabumbo> yes, my disk doesn't seem to want to install
[23:16] <nit-wit> jabumbo, can you tell what operating systems you want to at least be set up to tweak or remove later if not wanted or needed.
[23:17] <jabumbo> just looking to start with ubuntu v10.10 and windows xp if needed
[23:18] <nit-wit> jabumbo, install the XP first can you boot that disc
[23:19] <jabumbo> yes, it will boot.  i was just hoping to avoid the reformat that it requires
[23:19] <nit-wit> jabumbo, reformat?
[23:20] <jabumbo> the XP disk told me that i had to partition/reformat the HDD for installation
[23:20] <nit-wit> jabumbo, so will any install
[23:20] <jabumbo> not without a reformat
[23:20] <aveilleux> jabumbo: In order to install an operating system you must reformat the system
[23:21] <aveilleux> jabumbo: Or, do you mean taking an existing install and installing Ubuntu alongside it?
[23:21] <jabumbo> i have nothing installed as of right now
[23:21] <aveilleux> jabumbo: Then yes, you must format the system. Why do you not want to?
[23:22] <jabumbo> the HDD has backup files
[23:23] <nit-wit> jabumbo, can you take a screen shot of whatever partitioner you have that can read that HD
[23:24] <red-raven> hey thanks for the link nit-wit. just got one more question and then ill leave you guys alone (anyone can answere here) what do i shrink the HD down to, and how do i do this with gparted (i think i just click new partition table)? its got 79990 MB (80GB) with 3231 MB used.
[23:24] <jabumbo> not without pulling the PC apart!
[23:24] <aveilleux> jabumbo: What? Partitioners are software
[23:24] <red-raven> ...you cant get a screen shot by pulling the pc apart....
[23:25] <nit-wit> red-raven, so you have XP installed and you want to dual boot right
[23:25] <aveilleux> red-raven: You can use the utility "GParted" to shrink the partitions down
[23:25] <jabumbo> the only thing that loads on the PC is the boot screen and then error messages
[23:25] <aveilleux> jabumbo: That data is on the disk?
[23:25] <red-raven> yes. how much do i shrink it by though.
[23:25] <aveilleux> red-raven: Enough to let you have room for files?
[23:26] <nit-wit> jabumbo, do you have a bootable partitioner like a gparted disc. You see to get advice we really need to be sure you kno2w what your doing, or know what is there to advise you safely.
[23:27] <red-raven> so then probably more for linux. ill get a GB/MB converter up and pick myself then. thx!
[23:27] <aveilleux> jabumbo: I meant, "what data is on the disk"
[23:27] <nit-wit> red-raven, just be surer to reboot to XP after shrinking before doing the install, to make sure it runs the auto-chkdsk if needed and boots
[23:27] <nit-wit> *sure
[23:28] <jabumbo> the disks that i have are the 2 for the OS's and one for the motherboard
[23:29] <jabumbo> the data on the disk is just standard files.  nothing vital, just things i would rather not have to replicate
[23:29] <aveilleux> jabumbo: That makes no sense. Hard drives do not contain the motherboard.
[23:31] <aveilleux> ...well then
[23:31] <red-raven> yah i was  thinking  the same thing.....
[23:31] <aveilleux> I think he has his terms royally mixed up
[23:31] <red-raven> screen shot.
[23:38] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[23:42] <sogepp> anybody here working with gimp?
[23:43] <aveilleux> sogepp: I do semi-regularly. What's up?
[23:44] <sogepp> can you tell me any webs that teach about gimp, execpt gimp.org
[23:44] <aveilleux> sogepp: I like this place: http://gimp-tutorials.net/
[23:44] <sogepp> ok, thx


[07:25] <tvoss> good morning
[07:25] <tvoss> cihelp
[13:54] <fginther> tvoss, I have 5 minutes before I have to step out, what's up?
[21:21] <xnox> cihelp!
[21:21] <xnox> s-jenkins, armhf appears to be wobly.
[21:21] <xnox> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-settings-daemon-trusty-armhf-ci/2/console
[21:22] <xnox> fails to create directory or some such...
[21:22] <xnox> fginther: ^
[21:22] <fginther> xnox, looking
[21:22] <xnox> fginther: thanks, sorry to bother you on a weekend =)
[21:23] <fginther> xnox, that's ok, I'm already here :-)
[21:28] <fginther> xnox, it's rebuilding now. The node which ran this job appears to be unreliable and I've removed it from the build pool
[21:28] <xnox> fginther: cool thanks.
[21:29] <xnox> http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-settings-daemon-ci/2/rebuild
[21:29] <xnox> http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-settings-daemon-ci/1/rebuild
[21:29] <xnox> =)
[21:30] <xnox> fginther: please re-trigger above two on somewhere reliable ;-)
[21:31] <fginther> xnox, both ran on the same flaky node and have been retriggered
[21:33] <xnox> cheers!
[21:54] <ogra_> oooh, the new dashboard is shiny !
[22:42] <xnox> fginther: so it looks like there is a jenkins job, which ends up with a folder of "artifacts".
[22:42] <xnox> fginther: i guess it's similar to the what i have published on http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/touch/
[22:42] <xnox> fginther: i'll stick all of into a jenkins instance and ask for dashboard to pull it.