[00:00] <ochosi> robert_ancell: not sure you know this, but despite my warnings, lubuntu is currently (13.10) using lightdm-only to "lock" their session...
[00:01] <robert_ancell> ochosi, oh, what were the warnings?
[00:01] <ochosi> robert_ancell: "you can easily access a 'locked' session with ctrl+alt+f7 if you don't use something to actually *lock* your session"
[00:01] <ochosi> the typical issue
[00:01] <robert_ancell> right
[00:02] <ochosi> they ignored it and thought lightdm is enough
[00:02] <ochosi> hope they pick up some solution for the lts
[00:02] <robert_ancell> ochosi, they're running nothing in-session to do the locking?
[00:02] <ochosi> nope
[00:02] <robert_ancell> hmm
[00:02] <ochosi> i was wondering whether a "warning label" on lightdm would help against these cases
[00:02] <robert_ancell> ochosi, was there a reason why they didn't use light-locker? Perhaps because it wasn't in the archive
[00:03] <robert_ancell> ochosi, where would you put the warning?
[00:03] <ochosi> robert_ancell: well, yes, it wasn't in the archive by the time. but it would've been ready in time
[00:03] <robert_ancell> in the non-existent docs? /me feels bad
[00:03] <ochosi> robert_ancell: phu, not sure where to put the warning. maybe in the docs/help that mention the locking? :D
[00:03] <robert_ancell> I must write a manual
[00:03] <ochosi> yeah, that should be fine
[00:04] <ochosi> there's also some api docs iirc, you could put it there as a note
[00:04] <ochosi> (not really the right place, but better than nothing)
[00:04] <ochosi> btw, kudos on how many fixes you backported to older lightdm versions lately!
[00:05] <robert_ancell> Been trying to keep them fresh. Thanks for noticing!
[00:09] <ochosi> robert_ancell: actually, does that plan you mentioned earlier (the session/greeter sending a signal to lightdm that it's ready to be displayed/VT-switched to) not a bit obsolete with Mir?
[00:09] <ochosi> oops, language-fail :)
[00:09] <ochosi> s/does/is/
[00:10] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I'm not sure - the compositor notifies lightdm when each session sends the first frame which is a lot closer. That may not necessarily mean the session is ready though
[00:10] <robert_ancell> ochosi, the main problem is there's not a good comms channel for a session to notify the daemon and no sessions in general have a good hook to tell when they think they're ready
[00:11] <robert_ancell> we tried this ages ago with xsplash in Ubuntu and it sort of worked by hooking into gnome-session
[00:12] <ochosi> robert_ancell: right, true that. we're also hoping to make the transition from the greeter to the desktop a bit smoother in 14.04 (right now things just pop up on the screen one after the other...)
[00:12] <ochosi> (in xubuntu, that is)
[00:13] <robert_ancell> ochosi, right - to do that you need to run the session in a new X server and VT switch to it. We're not doing that currently due to the VT switch problems
[00:13] <robert_ancell> then the greeter could show a spinner and switch once the session is ready which would be nice
[00:14] <ochosi> robert_ancell: yeah, these sort of things would be nice if VT switching were entirely unproblematic...
[06:00] <pitti> Good morning
[08:16] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:02] <Laney> greetings
[09:06] <larsu> Laney: good morning
[09:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:08] <sil2100> Morning! :)
[09:08] <didrocks> hey guys :)
[09:11]  * pitti grouphugs Laney, seb128, sil2100, and didrocks
[09:12] <pitti> #u-desktop comes to life \o/
[09:12]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[09:12]  * seb128 grouphugs pitti&co back
[09:12] <Laney> \o/
[09:12] <didrocks> pitti: well, here for some hours, just quiet catching up :)
[09:13] <ogra_> very holbachy in here today :)
[09:14] <pitti> yeah, just in time for dholbach to get back from India :)
[09:14]  * didrocks adds the adjective to his vocabulary
[09:14] <seb128> ogra_, speaking of which, I see that Daniel is back online ;-)
[09:14] <ogra_> yeah
[09:14] <pitti> it just takes a while to ride on an elephant from India to Berlin :)
[09:14] <ogra_> probably very badly jetlagged
[09:15] <ogra_> pitti, ah, did he fly elephant class ?
[09:17] <Laney> seb128: can you bounce me that email about folks?
[09:17] <Laney> I think I deleted it by mistake ¬_¬
[09:17] <Laney> WAIT, I found it
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, I'm going to reply, I had eds 3.10 on my week TODO
[09:18] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/gnome-transition/
[09:18] <seb128> shrug
[09:18] <Laney> that's a start
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, good that you almost lost that email and pointed that ppa in return
[09:18] <Laney> didn't do e-d-s stuff though really, mainly goa
[09:18]  * seb128 does like dupping work
[09:18] <Laney> I was going to reply, thought I already said about it last week
[09:19] <seb128> I didn't record the info it seems ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> do you still do webkit? how did the armhf build go?
[09:19] <Laney> yeah it all spidered out of that, don't remember the exact path
[09:19] <Laney> armhf worked
[09:19] <darkxst> webkit is a mess on the ppa builders atleast
[09:20] <Laney> it's a three way webkitgtk + gnome-online-accounts + e-d-s thing
[09:20] <darkxst> we havent been able to get a amd64 build to succeed in weeks
[09:20] <Laney> darkxst: sad, luckily I have access to a PPA which builds on the real builders
[09:20] <Laney> feel free to copy the webkitgtk out of the one I just linked if you need it
[09:21] <seb128> darkxst, is webkit incompatible in some way?
[09:21] <seb128> ups
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, ^
[09:21] <Laney> don't think so, it just adds webkit2 packages
[09:22] <Laney> they renamed the source to follow upstream
[09:22] <seb128> ok
[09:22] <seb128> so it's not linked to goa/eds updates?
[09:22] <Laney> let me remember
[09:22] <seb128> it would be nice to get it out of the way first
[09:22] <seb128> the new evo needs it
[09:22] <Laney> Perhaps it was the other way
[09:23] <seb128> so it's probably a pre-required
[09:23] <Laney> like one of those made me upgrade webkit
[09:23] <seb128> right
[09:23] <seb128> that makes sense
[09:23] <seb128> which is one of the reasons I want it "out of the way"
[09:23] <Laney> yeah
[09:24] <Laney> I'll look at uploading that next
[09:24] <seb128> thanks
[09:24]  * seb128 is looking at GTK 3.10 (thanks larsu for dealing with the update) this week
[09:24] <Laney> if you want to do some e-d-s stuff then you can copy things from that PPA or make one which deps on it
[09:24] <seb128> ok
[09:25] <seb128> I didn't start on it, but I guess from the comment/ppa that there are some soname changes :/
[09:25] <Laney> or add it to a chroot or whatever
[09:25] <Laney> of course
[09:25] <larsu> seb128: I hope to have it ready for you today
[09:25] <Laney> g-o-a too but the only source change I found was in g-c-c which I already patched in there
[09:25] <larsu> depending on how much work the theming stuff will be
[09:25] <seb128> larsu, once the menu and scrollbar issues are fixed we can push to the ppa for more testing I think
[09:26] <larsu> cool
[09:26] <seb128> Laney, I'm pondering dropping goa support from a bunch of stuff, but that wouldn't be popular with the GNOME remix I think
[09:26] <Laney> certainly not
[09:28] <seb128> Laney, well, we can argue that uoa is what provide online accounts in Ubuntu, the same way that upstart is what provides you an init...
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, reality is that we need to make eds stop depending on webkitgtk because that brings a GNOME stack on Ubuntu Touch, and I failed to due that because of goa, not sure what to do next
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, we could dual build 2 version of e-d-s and make them conflict, but that sucks as well...
[09:33] <Laney> actually it might be possible to split goa
[09:34] <Laney> all of the eds stuff depends on libgoa-1.0.so.0 which is not the one which depends on webkitgtk
[09:36] <seb128> oh, I didn't look at the goa side, thanks for the suggestion
[09:37]  * Laney will look into that
[09:38] <seb128> thanks
[09:47] <Laney> js> print("Hello darkxst");
[09:47] <Laney> Hello darkxst
[09:49] <seb128> Laney, python> python -c 'print("Hello Laney")'?
[09:49]  * seb128 tries to guess the game
[09:49] <Laney> js breakage on ppc
[09:49] <seb128> oh
[09:51] <seb128> larsu, I found another bug with the new GTK...
[09:51] <larsu> shoot!
[09:51] <seb128> larsu, update-manager, the list of packages doesn't resize to match the windows
[09:52] <seb128> larsu, http://ubuntuone.com/6mUJidrQNJEuBjWP80bc8L
[09:52] <seb128> larsu, if I downgrade to 3.8 it works as it should, e.g no shrinked list
[09:53] <larsu> "oops something broke while generating thi page"
[09:53] <larsu> I'll try to reproduce here
[09:53] <seb128> larsu, retry, it was still uploading
[09:53] <seb128> it's working now
[09:53] <larsu> same problem
[09:53] <seb128> k
[09:53] <larsu> ah, now! took a few times
[09:54] <larsu> I can reproduce. Thanks for letting me know!
[09:54] <seb128> yw, thanks for working on those issues!
[09:56] <Laney> darkxst: I lost your non-fatal-ppc patch - do you have it?
[10:32] <darkxst> seb128, seems to just be a ppa builder issue
[10:33] <darkxst> it builds fine on debian atleast
[10:34] <darkxst> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/trusty/gjs/1.38.1-2
[10:35] <Laney> ta
[10:42] <darkxst> Laney, the "imports" stuff is gjs specific
[10:43] <Laney> yeah, saw
[10:43] <seb128> shrug, ports.u.c is sloooow
[10:43]  * seb128 tries to install build-depends on his nexus for an hour
[10:43] <seb128> it keeps hanging
[10:45] <darkxst> Laney, the gnome guys only have one ppc machine left and that is used for building packages
[10:45] <darkxst> ^well only one that still works
[11:12] <aslan> HI, I have problem with grub the issue is I cant see the grub menu at the time of booting even after giving the grub timeout
[11:13] <aslan> in grub.cfg
[11:15] <seb128> aslan, hey, try #ubuntu for user questions
[12:00] <aslan> seb128, ya I will
[12:00] <aslan>  thankyou
[12:04] <dednick> didrocks: any status update for landing ubuntu-settings-components?
[12:04] <didrocks> dednick: we are relying on having the infra back
[12:04] <dednick> didrocks: ok. thought it might be.
[12:05] <didrocks> dednick: if you look at the ubuntu phone image, the CI guys are still working on it
[12:05] <didrocks> ML*
[12:05]  * didrocks autotypes image now :)
[12:05] <didrocks> dednick: as soon it's in, I'll get that landed
[12:05] <dednick> didrocks: cool. thanks
[12:05] <ogra_> as long as it doesnt turn *all* words into image thats fine :)
[12:05] <didrocks> yw ;)
[12:05] <Laney> but an image is worth 1000 words
[12:05] <didrocks> ogra_: did you image the image for the image thing?
[12:06] <ogra_> image image image, image image ?
[12:06] <didrocks> image is the new smurfs
[12:06] <didrocks> ;)
[12:06] <ogra_> :)
[12:07] <seb128> didrocks, green is the new blue?
[12:07] <didrocks> in a jenkins sense, yeah! :)
[12:07] <ogra_> image !
[12:07] <didrocks> ahah
[13:24] <Laney> hmm
[13:24] <Laney> what team should we subscribe to package bugs?
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, desktop-bug
[13:24] <seb128> s
[13:24] <Laney> ah
[13:25] <Laney> seb128: you look like the owner there - can you subscribe it to libwebp?
[13:25] <Laney> bug #1186553
[13:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1186553 in libwebp (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libwebp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1186553
[13:28] <seb128> Laney, done
[13:28] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwebp/+subscriptions
[13:30] <Laney> merci
[13:30] <seb128> de rien ;-)
[13:32] <Laney> lunch time
[13:32] <Laney> we can fiddle the archive for webkit → webkitgtk after that
[13:32] <seb128> great! enjoy lunch ;-)
[13:47] <didrocks> tjaalton: yeah, I will look at them probably tomorrow
[13:51] <tjaalton> didrocks: thanks
[13:51] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:51] <tjaalton> :)
[15:06] <seb128> bah, writing that email took we a solid 1h
[15:06] <seb128> we->me
[15:06] <seb128> (keyboard layouts handling for the LTS just sent to ubuntu-devel@)
[15:06] <seb128> let's see if anyone is wanting to read that much text :/
[15:08] <pitti> seb128: very nice mail!
[15:08] <Laney> speed reader
[15:09] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[15:10] <davmor2> seb128: I've seen how fast you type, that's not an email it's a novel ;)
[15:10] <seb128> pitti, do you have any opinion on the topic ?(out of "just make it work" ;-)
[15:10] <seb128> lol
[15:11] <happyaron> reading
[15:12] <pitti> seb128: I haven't read it in that detail yet (just back from giving lighting talk, and debugging systemd-shim now); but I'll read it tomorrow in the train when I have some quiet time to think about it
[15:15] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[15:18] <kenvandine> seb128, that should have been a blog post :)
[15:18] <kenvandine> seb128, i guess ubuntu-devel is your blog
[15:18] <kenvandine> :-p
[15:19]  * happyaron would like to vote for reverting the behavior.
[15:20] <seb128> kenvandine, lol, I don't know enough about the topic to blog ;-) and I'm interested in technical feedback/a decision, so the dev mailing list makes sense
[15:20] <seb128> happyaron, because you liked the old UI/design better? or because you think we are going to still have bugs at the LTS time?
[15:20] <Laney> should try to keep it on list
[15:21] <larsu> I bet attente has an opinion :D
[15:21] <Laney> ooh
[15:21]  * Laney writes summary
[15:21] <Laney> weekly summary, nothing to do with keyboards :-)
[15:21] <seb128> larsu, I'm sure his opinion his "I wish I could go back one cycle and *not* take on this topic"
[15:21] <happyaron> seb128: I think UI is less important than functions at this point, since old UI isn't way too bad :)
[15:22] <happyaron> seb128: reverting to the old way would at least don't cause regression for those upgrading from previous LTS.
[15:22] <seb128> happyaron, what is missing in the UI infrastructure (assuming we resolve we flackyness in the key handling and the grabbing issues)?
[15:22] <larsu> seb128: I don't know. I think it's an awesome thing to work on. Just a bit ... complex
[15:22] <seb128> larsu, yeah...
[15:22] <happyaron> seb128: user cannot access settings of every IM now
[15:23] <happyaron> lemme find the bug for you...
[15:23] <seb128> happyaron, how did they access those before? (e.g ibus is still there and should be working no?)
[15:23] <happyaron> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1188509
[15:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1188509 in indicator-keyboard (Ubuntu) "Embedded in menu doesn't work in IBus indicator" [High,Triaged]
[15:23] <seb128> happyaron, or is that because users used to access the ibus settings through the ibus keybinding, but the new system made them go through g-s-d which doesn't handle those options?
[15:24] <seb128> happyaron, oh, it's an indicator lack-of-feature it seems
[15:24] <happyaron> seb128: there are two kind of settings, one is for ibus (the framework), the other is for IM (like ibus-pinyin). For the second one, it's usually accessed from the embedded in menu
[15:25] <happyaron> yeah
[15:25] <seb128> I guess gnome-shell do expose pinyin settings from their indicator?
[15:25] <happyaron> yes
[15:27] <seb128> happyaron, how are things working on Kylin today? do they have indicator-keyboard and a fcitx indicator? what about keybindings?
[15:27] <happyaron> seb128: fcitx and most of it's UIs support indicator directly, so no indicator-keyboard needed.
[15:28] <desrt> pitti: good morning
[15:28] <happyaron> seb128: keybindings are handled directly by fcitx
[15:28] <seb128> happyaron, I see, the fcitx stuff is another argument for having layouts and IMs decoupled
[15:29] <seb128> though it seems, from what you say, that Kylin doesn't need a layout indicator
[15:29] <happyaron> yes
[15:30] <seb128> qengho, Sweetshark, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter_, desrt, attente, larsu: hey, it's meeting time
[15:30] <desrt> pitti: you seem to have contradictory reports in your logs
[15:30] <desrt> the indicator sends the request to systemd-shim but systemd-shim never receives such a request?
[15:31] <seb128> qengho, Sweetshark, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter_, desrt, attente, larsu: hey hey hey
[15:31] <Laney> hello
[15:31] <Sweetshark> seb128:o/
[15:31] <seb128> better ;-)
[15:32] <Laney> happyaron is here too, let him join in ;-)
[15:32] <happyaron> :)
[15:32] <seb128> let's get started (/me wonders if that's DST confusing people)
[15:33] <seb128> happyaron, yeah, feel free to join the meetings if you want (we usually don't list people who are in tz where it's not a decent time)
[15:33] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:33] <qengho> - fixed a few bugs in chromium. handed source packages to #security.
[15:33] <happyaron> seb128: thanks, :)
[15:33] <qengho> - getting an early start on Cr 32.
[15:33] <qengho> EOF
[15:34] <Laney> did the chromium autopkgtest get fixed in this one?
[15:34] <seb128> qengho, thanks (good to see that chromium issues dropped from the most frequent issues, out a fglrx one)
[15:34] <qengho> seb128, work calendar has this an hour later. maybe adjust it h to know if timezone.
[15:34] <qengho> of
[15:34] <qengho> phone keyboard.
[15:34]  * seb128 looks at calendar
[15:35] <seb128> qengho, what about autopkgtests? (thanks Laney for asking ;-)
[15:35] <qengho> seb, new packages fix those.
[15:35] <seb128> great
[15:35] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:35] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[15:35] <qengho> thanks Laney
[15:36] <Sweetshark> LibreOffice Hackfest Freiburg, finished with a bad case of ubuflu
[15:36] <Sweetshark> did some LibreOffice dev mentoring with Marcos and Jose, two brazilian guests in Hamburg (sponsored by TDF)
[15:36] <Sweetshark> LibreOffice 4.1.3 ppa with some more vendor patching (empty label on quicklist)
[15:36] <Sweetshark> LibreOffice 4.2.0alpha1 tagged upstream and building (with some caveats) on trusty right now: https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-staging
[15:36] <Sweetshark> got some requests wrt LibreOffice without Java, dunno exactly what to make of it
[15:36] <Sweetshark> some mindless lp bugwrangling
[15:36] <Sweetshark> stated candidacy for TDF board again: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Candidacy-for-a-BoD-seat-Bjoern-Michaelsen-tp4082608.html
[15:36] <Sweetshark> EOF
[15:36] <larsu> Sweetshark: ubuflu at a libreoffice hackfest? Shouldn't it be libreflu?
[15:36]  * desrt votes björn!
[15:37] <Laney> free as in flu
[15:37] <larsu> ha
[15:37] <larsu> Sweetshark: in any case: get well soon!
[15:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, no toolchain issue on trusty? how boring!
[15:38] <Sweetshark> larsu: Im just fighting down remaining pockets of resistence ...
[15:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: there will be toolchain fun. there always is. maybe those changes are not in yet ;)
[15:38] <Laney> gute besserung
[15:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: also Im cutting some corners with the alpha release.
[15:39] <seb128> ok
[15:39] <seb128> that one is targeted at the ppa only right?
[15:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes
[15:39] <seb128> ok, good
[15:39] <seb128> let me know when you need sponsoring for the SRU
[15:40] <seb128> oh, and get some rest until you feels better!
[15:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:40] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[15:40] <Sweetshark> seb128: last beta/4.2.0rc2 would be first for the archive IMHO ...
[15:40] <seb128> right, we discussed that during the rally, agreed
[15:41] <mlankhorst> hey
[15:41] <mlankhorst> oh I missed the earlier ping? :P
[15:41] <mlankhorst> getting some graphics patches upstream for this merge window
[15:41] <mlankhorst> glamor-egl sru's, libdrm sru
[15:42] <mlankhorst> working on android syncpoints, converting fence api to be compatible with it
[15:42] <mlankhorst> eod :P
[15:42] <mlankhorst> (last one is more kernel work, getting my own stuff upstreamed)
[15:42] <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:43] <mlankhorst> android had their own sync mechanisms, and by using my sync mechanism as a backend for android the dupes are removed
[15:43] <Laney> hallo
[15:43] <Laney> • Patch pilot; some nagging about sponsor queue. Down to 52 now, well done all!
[15:43] <Laney> • Fix gdk-pixbuf FTBFS caused by missing some environment when running make check.
[15:43] <Laney> • Look at webkitgtk / e-d-s / g-o-a updates/transitions.
[15:43] <Laney> ∘ g-c-c requires a patch for new g-o-a; backported from upstream and modified to work on our g-c-c.
[15:43] <Laney> ∘ g-o-a transition is otherwise fine
[15:43] <Laney> ∘ e-d-s transition needs staging still
[15:43] <Laney> ∘ webkitgtk good to upload, doing that imminently
[15:43] <Laney> • Misc fixes for upgrade failures: screen-resolution-extra redshift
[15:43] <Laney> • Work on AS patch for vendor extension overrides.
[15:43] <Laney> • Some attempts at debugging gjs on powerpc, not entirely successful but provided some information to upstream.
[15:43] <Laney> EOF
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:44] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:46] <seb128> no tkamppeter?
[15:46] <seb128> ok, let's move to the next one
[15:46] <seb128> desrt, hey ;-)
[15:46] <desrt> that's me!
[15:46] <desrt> so mostly i listened to a lot of lisa loeb
[15:46] <desrt> but... i also got some work done
[15:46] <desrt> the desktop file efficency changes (for the unindexed case) landed, along with the search API
[15:47] <desrt> and i've started reviews on the gcleanup branch that i started a while ago and stef picked up recently... that looks like it will land in the coming weeks -- basically it's a way of giving glib (and glib-based libraries) an easy way to clean up after themselves on exit
[15:47] <larsu> \o/
[15:47] <desrt> that's nice for valgrind-friendly reasons, but it will also let us use a counting allocation checking cheme (+1 for malloc, -1 for free) and assert on exit if they're not equal
[15:48] <desrt> we'd do this from testcases, for example, so we can type 'make check' and get failures on any leak anywhere
[15:48] <desrt> there are a lot of tricky issues there, though
[15:48] <desrt> aside from that, i did a bunch of releases yesterday (systemd-shim, glib unstable, glib stable, dconf)
[15:48] <desrt> that's about it
[15:49] <desrt> uh... eof, i mean
[15:49] <seb128> ;-)
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Merged CUPS-only foomatic-rip from GSoC project into cups-filters, making cups-filters the new upstream home for it.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Cleaned up foomatic-rip code eliminating warnings, sharing colord support with gstoraster, fixing small bugs.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Several bug fixes and clean-ups.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - CUPS SRU for Saucy to get lpadmin -m to work.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:49] <seb128> new glib/dconf, we should probably get going on those at some point, we maybe let's clear some of the "start of the cycle" backlog first
[15:49] <seb128> Laney, ^ agreed?
[15:50] <seb128> like end of the month seems good to me (once we get webkit/eds/gtk in)
[15:50] <desrt> seb128: new glib is a party... dconf is very very boring... the only change of consequence there was to support a glib change
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:50] <Laney> mmm, yeah
[15:50] <desrt> (the new "is this key set?" API that was requested by robert_ancell and didrocks for some time now)
[15:50] <Laney> need to fix the build failures in debian before we can go to a new series really
[15:50] <Laney> so would be uploading to ubuntu only
[15:50] <desrt> Laney: i was planning to take a look there today
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:50] <Laney> neat
[15:51] <desrt> Laney: i'll poke you after the meeting
[15:51] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[15:51] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:51] <Laney> there's also https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=glib2.0&arch=armel&ver=2.38.1-2&stamp=1383832557 a different failure on arm that happens some of the time only
[15:51] <attente> hi seb128
[15:52] <attente> just working on the input switcher
[15:52] <seb128> attente, how is the compiz grabber issue going? still stucked on this one?
[15:52] <attente> i uploaded a ppa, but there's one problem that prevents it from being usable
[15:53] <seb128> what's the issue?
[15:53] <attente> seb128, i wouldn't hesitate to advertise the ppa if only for this one issue being fixed
[15:53] <desrt> Laney: damn testcases always failing on weird architectures... i almost think we should just get rid of the test suite...
[15:54] <Laney> make -k check || true
[15:54] <attente> when you log into unity, it always starts with the shortcuts set to super+space and shift+super+space, and doesn't read it from gsettings until it's changed
[15:54] <seb128> attente, oh, so you found the other issues where you were getting the wrong event? what was it?
[15:54] <attente> seb128, yeah, the other problem is a non-issue any more
[15:55] <seb128> great
[15:55] <attente> it was that compiz only cycled through CompOptions for checking key events
[15:55] <attente> so even if you create an action and add it so that compiz can do the grab
[15:55] <attente> if you're doing that manually, compiz still won't forward the events unless it's attached to a plugin option
[15:56] <attente> seb128, feel free to try to ppa out
[15:56] <attente> it's just that one issue i'm working on now
[15:56] <attente> https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/modifier-only-input-switch
[15:56] <seb128> attente, well done on fixing that one, I'm going to try the ppa, seems like that the dynamic update shouldn't be a stopper to play with it
[15:56] <seb128> attente, thanks
[15:57] <attente> seb128, it would probably frustrate users to always have to set it every time they log back in
[15:57] <seb128> attente, oh, are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel@ list? I just send a (long) email there to summarize the keyboard changes, the issues, and what to do for the LTS
[15:57] <desrt> 'stop shipping compiz' ;)
[15:57] <attente> seb128, i saw that, but didn't read it in detail yet
[15:57] <seb128> attente, right, it's probably not user friendly, but for debug testing it seems it should do the job
[15:57] <seb128> desrt, gnome-shell has some of the same issues...
[15:57] <attente> seb128, thanks for starting that discussion though :)
[15:57] <larsu> desrt: be nice.
[15:57] <seb128> attente, yw ;-)
[15:58] <desrt> seb128: window managers are trouble, i'm telling you...
[15:58] <seb128> desrt, xkb is the issue there
[15:58] <seb128> desrt, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55585#c0 is the issue I'm most concerned about
[15:58] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 55585 in UI "Should check all XKB group indexes when matching key events for accelerators and mnemonics" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
[15:58] <cyphermox> seb128: yo, I tried all I could with the ejabberd bug, but I can't reproduce the fix
[15:59] <cyphermox> seb128: I'm going to try a few more minutes, but so far no luck :(
[15:59] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, ok, thanks ... can you comment on the bug saying that?
[15:59] <happyaron> except Kylin-related stuff, I went over almost all bugs of ibus on LP and did some triaging work, and borrow what desrt said, "input methods are touble"...
[15:59] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:59] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks for trying
[15:59] <seb128> attente, thanks
[15:59] <seb128> larsu, hey ;-)
[15:59] <larsu> hi!
[15:59] <larsu> - prepared and tested gtk 3.10 to be ready for prime time (updating patches and fixing the new test suite to work in tree); it's coming along nicely with only a few minor bugs left to fix
[15:59] <larsu> - fixed a couple of bugs in ido, indicator-{network,messages,appmenu}, and notify-osd
[15:59] <larsu> eof
[15:59] <larsu> short one :)
[16:00] <seb128> desrt, (not specifically only libreoffice, but eclipse and who-know-what-other-apps have the same issue and I'm not even sure they are all opensource/stuff we can fix)
[16:00] <desrt> larsu: didn't see that gtk action_namespace bug yet...
[16:00] <larsu> desrt: pings, meetings
[16:00] <desrt> fair enough :)
[16:00] <seb128> larsu, thanks, I'm waiting for the next GTK update round (hopping that gives me my menus back :p)
[16:00] <larsu> desrt: I'll try to get it out before leaving
[16:01] <larsu> seb128: I already have a patch for i-appmenu to fix that. It's been a ping-happy two hours
[16:01] <larsu> and I have a meeting right now :)
[16:01] <seb128> happyaron, did you want to do a status update with us? ;-)
[16:01] <desrt> larsu: if it's really going to take too long, just commit it.... but make sure you have a good message, and stable-release backport it
[16:01] <desrt> the code is obviously-incorrect as stands...
[16:02] <happyaron> seb128: already said a bit, :) "except Kylin-related stuff, I went over almost all bugs of ibus on LP and did some triaging work, and borrow what desrt said, "input methods are touble"..."
[16:02] <larsu> desrt: I'll file a bug
[16:02] <seb128> happyaron, oh, right, thanks! ;-)
[16:02] <desrt> larsu: thanks
[16:02] <seb128> my turn
[16:02] <seb128> * continued on desktop merges/syncs for trusty (libzip, opencc, curl, gnome-keyring)
[16:02] <seb128> * some desktop updates (gdk-pixbuf, fontconfig, freetype, dbus, file-roller, evince)
[16:02] <seb128> * some bug fixes and SRUs
[16:02] <seb128> * looked a bit to autopilot tests for ubuntu-system-settings, they are having issues due to the new autopilot version, trying to get that merged in this week
[16:02] <seb128> * spent some time thinking about keyboard layout/IMs and what to do next, wrote detailed email to ubuntu-devel@
[16:02] <seb128> * reviewed GTK 3.10 update from larsu (some packaging nitpicks but it was mostly good), thanks Lars for the work!
[16:02] <seb128> * tested a bit GTK, reported some issues that need to be addressed before ppa upload
[16:02] <seb128> * continued looking at errors.ubuntu.com top issues and nagging maintainers about their bugs

[16:04] <seb128> ok
[16:04] <desrt> seb128: thanks for the nags :)
[16:04] <seb128> so, any question/comments/...?
[16:04] <desrt> (none this week, but in general...)
[16:04] <seb128> desrt, yw ;-)
[16:04]  * happyaron is not quite familiar with this kind of status update on IRC, cuz we use phone conference call previously...
[16:04] <seb128> desrt, speaking of nag, did you see my gnome-keyring one to you/pitti yesterday?
[16:05] <desrt> happyaron: irc meeting is best meeting
[16:05] <desrt> seb128: ya.  i hoped pitti would look at it :)
[16:05] <desrt> what was the link again?
[16:05] <seb128> desrt, hehe ;-)
[16:05]  * desrt wanted to sort these ppc failures today
[16:05] <happyaron> desrt: /me is trying to get familiar with doing updates on IRC from now, :)
[16:06] <desrt> happyaron: are you new on the team, or...?
[16:06] <seb128> desrt, I didn't give a link, basically gnome-keyring build never finish because the gnome-keyring-daemon spawned by the testsuit doesn't exit when the bus goes away
[16:07] <desrt> seb128: some weird test-dbus interaction?
[16:07] <seb128> desrt, stefw said it's a known issue and he would welcome a patch for it (to make the daemon exit when the bug goes away)
[16:07] <desrt> dbustestrunner, whatever
[16:07] <seb128> bug->bus
[16:07] <happyaron> desrt: I joint 3months, but most of my work is for Kylin project, and we have status update meeting at that side already. But also good to do another one here, though.
[16:07] <seb128> desrt, bz 708765
[16:07] <desrt> happyaron: i guess you're attente's natural enemy :)
[16:07] <desrt> seb128: thanks
[16:08] <seb128> desrt, thank you for maybe looking at it ;-)
[16:08] <happyaron> desrt: why? ;-)
[16:08] <happyaron> for the keyboard related stuff?
[16:08] <desrt> opposing input method frameworks
[16:08] <happyaron> haha
[16:09] <desrt> seb128: maybe you're welcome :)
[16:09]  * desrt conducts a very important experiment
[16:09] <desrt> FOILED
[16:09] <desrt> (my excessively long headphone cord is not long enough to allow me to reach the coffee pot in the next room)
[16:12] <happyaron> desrt: call with your phone app, and you can move around with wifi, :)
[16:12] <desrt> seb128: i hate you
[16:13] <seb128> desrt, did you found that gnome-keyring's bug is a glib issue or what? ;-)
[16:13] <desrt> no
[16:13] <desrt> i found that it's using eggdbus
[16:13] <seb128> eggdbus
[16:13] <seb128> lol
[16:13] <larsu> what's that?
[16:13] <seb128> I didn't even know that was a think
[16:13] <larsu> do I want o know?
[16:13] <seb128> thing
[16:13] <desrt> it's not really
[16:14] <desrt> it's just common copy/paste code to handle the mainloop integration between libdbus-1 and glib
[16:14] <desrt> for the most part it's using libdbus-1 API directly
[16:14] <Laney> ooh, that sounds like a hairy yak
[16:14]  * desrt will _not_ rewrite against gdbus
[16:14]  * desrt will _not_ rewrite against gdbus
[16:14]  * desrt will _not_ rewrite against gdbus
[16:15] <seb128> lol
[16:15] <mlankhorst> desrt->override();
[16:15] <Laney> mterry: please could you re-check over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwebp/+bug/1186553 ?
[16:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1186553 in libwebp (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libwebp" [Undecided,New]
[16:15] <mlankhorst> works in movies! Now rewrite against gdbus. :P
[16:16] <desrt> so uh.  i think i'm done
[16:16] <mterry> Laney, ah an easy one!  :)
[16:17] <Laney> \o/
[16:17] <mterry> Laney, I like it when past-me does all the work
[16:17] <Laney> unless you mean → Opinion
[16:17] <Laney> :P
[16:17] <mterry> heh
[16:18] <desrt> seb128: so uh... how would i go about testing such a patch?
[16:19] <desrt> 'cause it's a one-liner
[16:19] <cyphermox> seb128: of course, because I suddenly stop being an idiot it finally works
[16:20] <seb128> desrt, if you give it to me I can throw it to the builder
[16:20] <desrt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708765
[16:20] <seb128> cyphermox, ;-)
[16:20] <ubot2> Gnome bug 708765 in general "D-Bus-activated keyring-daemon remains even when its bus terminates" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[16:20] <desrt> https://bug708765.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=259673
[16:21] <seb128> desrt, the bug description suggests that Stef only wants that behaviour in the case where it's dbus activated though, your patch would always make it exit?
[16:21] <seb128> or is that a different codepath in the source?
[16:22] <desrt> why would we want it to persist when explicitly started?
[16:22] <seb128> well, I guess he has a reason, maybe better to ask him
[16:22] <desrt> oh.  i see.
[16:22] <desrt> ya. i'll get on that
[16:22] <seb128> thanks
[16:22] <desrt> meanwhile, if you could test the patch anyway...
[16:23] <desrt> ie: to find out if this mechanism even works
[16:23] <larsu> desrt: greyback will forward you some question from tvoss (from a mailing list) regarding the desktop file cache
[16:23] <larsu> desrt: just to let you know ;)
[16:23] <desrt> k
[16:24] <Laney> pitti: looks like you forgot to push rhythmbox
[16:30] <Laney> seb128: webkitgtk is up
[16:30] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[16:30] <Laney> for all your NEWing pleasure
[16:33] <pitti> Laney: how do you mean? there's no Vcs-Bzr
[16:33] <seb128> Laney, NEWed, let's the buildds have some fun ;-)
[16:35] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, I want to update telepathy-mission-control-5 to the current stable serie (5.16) ... is that something you started on/are interested doing (I guess not)? if not, how do you usually test that the apparmor profile needs tweak? just running empathy&co and checking that everything work/the logs have no DENY?
[16:38] <Laney> pitti: oh, maybe I dropped it by error?
[16:38] <pitti> Laney: I didn't really look, as often packages get synced, and then UDDed, etc.
[16:38] <Laney> mmm
[16:38] <Laney> nm, will fix
[16:38] <pitti> Laney: I'll import my upload
[16:40] <pitti> Laney: ^ done
[16:41] <pitti> Laney: committed Vcs-Bzr: fix
[16:41] <Laney> danke!
[16:41] <Laney> oh, you beat me
[16:41] <Laney> sorry for dropping it
[16:41] <pitti> np
[16:52] <seb128> desrt, hum, patch doesn't seem to make builders happier ... I'm going to need to try to find a machine/setup where I can reproduce I guess
[17:01] <larsu> seb128: this indicator-appmenu branch makes menus work with 3.10: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/indicator-appmenu/insert-action-groups-on-menus/+merge/194901
[17:01] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[17:02] <larsu> seb128: I'll post a gtk patch to make the indicator-messages problem go away
[17:02] <seb128> larsu, great
[17:02] <larsu> didn't end up having time for the theming/scrollbar stuff today, sorry
[17:05] <seb128> larsu, no worry, I count on that update to be work for the week
[17:10] <larsu> desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712164
[17:10] <ubot2> Gnome bug 712164 in GtkApplication "GtkMenuTracker: set action namespace correctly" [Normal,New]
[17:13] <desrt> thx.  will review today.
[17:13] <seb128> larsu, indicator-appmenu.c:548:2: error: 'GtkStock' is deprecated [-Werror=deprecated-declarations]
[17:13]  * seb128 disables Werror
[17:13] <desrt> ...
[17:14] <desrt> didn't we take a '-Wno-error=deprecated-declarations' shotgun to everything already?
[17:14] <larsu> seb128: see the prerequisite branch
[17:14]  * larsu ran into the same issue
[17:15] <seb128> shrug
[17:15] <seb128> larsu, ignore me, good that I hit that, I autofinger-ed "cd indicator-appmenu; bzr bd"
[17:15] <seb128> larsu, where I mean to cd insert-...
[17:16] <larsu> seb128: heh, no problem
[17:16] <seb128> yeah, working menus!
[17:16] <larsu> seb128: gotta run now.  I'll try
[17:17] <desrt> i hear that's sometimes a problem when people get drunk
[17:18] <larsu> 1 beer for me + 1 beer for desrt = 2 beers --> larsu == drunk
[17:18] <larsu> desrt: only in Toronto
[17:18] <desrt> :)
[17:18] <larsu> that's why I got out of there!
[17:19] <seb128> desrt, do you see any issue with https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-menus/commit/libmenu/desktop-entries.c?id=7d90221e27fcc72de497f45db4f3ef3c2d623fd6?
[17:19] <seb128> desrt, just having a random guess at what could create https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712161 (assuming it's an issue in gnome-menus, I had a look in the commit in 3.6->3.8)
[17:19] <ubot2> Gnome bug 712161 in libgnome-menu "software-center hits segfault in cached_dir_ref()" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:20] <desrt> seb128: pretty hard to imagine that causing a problem
[17:20] <seb128> k, thanks
[17:21] <seb128> oh, the full commit is https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-menus/commit/?h=gnome-3-8&id=7d90221e27fcc72de497f45db4f3ef3c2d623fd6
[17:21] <seb128> I started from the file where the issue is happening and had a filter on that
[17:21] <desrt> oh.  fun.
[17:21] <desrt> the notify part looks suspicious
[17:22] <seb128> that's where the segfault is happening :p
[17:22] <desrt> this patch could possibly cause issues, indeed
[17:23] <desrt> i feel like smacking jasper for writing this
[17:24] <seb128> desrt, oh, speaking of Jasper, he just suggested in the bug to try to revert that commit ... ;-)
[17:24] <desrt> ya
[17:24] <desrt> that's my suggestion too :)
[17:24] <desrt> there's all kinds of suspicious in this patch
[17:24]  * seb128 tries that
[17:24] <desrt> nothing overtly wrong, but a very difficult-to-read change
[17:25] <desrt> his singleton management strategy is utterly unthreadsafe, as an example
[17:25] <desrt> in a patch that appears to be attempting to introduce threadsafety
[17:51] <pitti> desrt: I'm beginning to get a handle on bug 1211514
[17:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1211514 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Trusty) "Shutdowns fail to finish if laptop lid is closed before completely shutdown" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211514
[17:51] <pitti> desrt: so apparently the impossible is possible after all
[17:52] <desrt> pitti: your log said that we weren't getting the call...
[17:53] <pitti> desrt: both logs together say that we get both calls
[17:53] <pitti> desrt: but it seems the first shim (for poweroff) immediately gets terminated again
[17:53] <pitti> and then the second shim gets started for suspend
[17:54] <pitti> desrt: I suspect it races with D-BUS shutdown; does the shim listen to d-bus going down and kill itself? or is that our "kill everything on powerdown" script?
[17:54] <desrt> pitti: if the system dbus went down then we'd not be able to get a second message through
[17:54] <pitti> well, I'll test both hypotheses
[17:54] <desrt> but maybe it's the SIGTERM that shutdown sends...
[17:55] <desrt> that would shut us down indeed
[17:55] <pitti> desrt: not sure if d-bus would still spawn new services while it's being shut down and it is killing existing services
[17:55] <pitti> so the "kill -TERM $world" during shutdown is more plausible
[17:55] <pitti> I'll try with adding that to sendsigs.omit
[17:55] <desrt> pitti: ya.  i'm pretty sure it's the SIGTERM
[17:58] <pitti> desrt: my first theory was that logind objects that calling suspend.target doesn't actually fail
[17:58] <pitti> desrt: but I monkey-patched it to actually send a D-BUS error instead of a (silent) success, that didn't help
[17:58]  * pitti shelves that, in case it's still relevant after not killing the shim any more
[18:01] <pitti> oh the joy of (not) being pid 1..
[18:02] <desrt> :)
[18:02] <desrt> i heard that having everything in pid 1 is a bad design decision
[18:02] <desrt> seb128: hey... you know our weird gettext desktop file business?
[18:03] <pitti> desrt: yeah, Lennart really ought to take the mail server out of it
[18:03] <didrocks> seb128: do you know if we dropped the patch that desrt has done in gtk for setting alt as a shortcut in g-c-c?
[18:04] <didrocks> if not, no worry, I'll check… one day :)
[18:04] <desrt> didrocks: we kept it
[18:04] <didrocks> interesting… something else regressed it seems
[18:04] <desrt> didrocks: larsu wanted to drop it yesterday (or get it upstream or fix the situation) and i talked him out of it
[18:05] <didrocks> I'm sure it's larsu's fault then!
[18:06] <didrocks> desrt: where is seb128, do you think he's drinking again? :)
[18:06] <desrt> :)
[18:13] <pitti> desrt: et voilà !
[18:14] <desrt> pitti: systemd-shim now on the no-kill list and it works?
[18:14] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6406628/
[18:14] <pitti> desrt: yes, tested two times
[18:14] <desrt> ugh.  we have to write our pid there?
[18:14] <pitti> desrt: that's my current hack, not factored out into a function and using glibc-y calls
[18:14] <desrt> pitti: also problematic from the standpoint of not erasing the file when we exit
[18:14] <pitti> I suppose you'd rather want some glib-y/Gio stuff for that?
[18:15] <desrt> i guess we should only write it just before we call shutdown
[18:15] <pitti> desrt: we do
[18:15] <desrt> oh.  unlink.  hi.
[18:15] <pitti> desrt: second hunk
[18:15] <desrt> sorry.  missed it :)
[18:15] <desrt> pitti: i think i'll adjust it to only write just before calling shutdown
[18:15] <pitti> desrt: anyway, need to run now; we can discuss the finer details tomorrow or so
[18:15] <desrt> we avoid the write/unlink in the other cases this way
[18:15] <desrt> pitti: thanks!
[18:15] <pitti> desrt: yes, indeed
[18:16] <pitti> as I said, just a first-cut "does this work?" it's not really pretty yet
[18:16]  * pitti waves good night
[18:53] <xclaesse> seb128, I've heard that you uploaded the empathy update to fix facebook
[18:53] <seb128> xclaesse, yeah, the day you pinged me about it
[18:53] <xclaesse> seb128, but I don't see update coming here... is it stuck somewhere?
[18:53] <seb128> xclaesse, it's out for some weeks? what serie do you use?
[18:54] <xclaesse> seb128, argh, forget me, it actually works, had another issue because I was running stuff from master
[18:54] <xclaesse> nevermind
[18:54] <seb128> xclaesse, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/3.8.4-1ubuntu2
[18:54] <seb128> xclaesse, ok ;-)
[18:55] <xclaesse> after kill the stuff running in jhbuild, and restart the distro version, all is fine :)
[18:58] <xclaesse> now it is MSN that does not connect anymore
[18:58] <xclaesse> SRV connect failed: g-io-error-quark:39 Could not connect to messenger.live.com: Connection refused
[18:58] <xclaesse> looks like they finally removed their xmpp server for good
[18:59] <seb128> :-(
[18:59] <seb128> we should probably drop the UI option for it then...
[19:05] <seb128> xclaesse, ^ do you what needs to happen for that?
[19:06] <xclaesse> seb128, on ubuntu that should be enough I think: rm /usr/share/accounts/providers/windows-live.provider
[19:07] <xclaesse> you probably want to inform the user though
[19:07] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ should we do/SRU that?
[19:07] <seb128> xclaesse, right ... do you plan to add something upstream for informing users?
[19:07] <xclaesse> seb128, maybe we should wait to see if there is an official announce from MS, it could be just temporary failure
[19:07] <seb128> yeah, let's see
[19:07] <xclaesse> I don't remember the date they announced months ago
[19:07] <seb128> though I'm sure they are going to close it at some point
[19:08] <Laney> If you have a Mac operating system earlier than OSX or a Windows operating system earlier than Windows XP, you won't be able to update to Skype. Messenger will continue to be available on these operating systems until it is discontinued later in 2013.
[19:11]  * desrt realises the symbolic beauty of the battle between systemd-shim and upstart
[19:12] <desrt> systemd-shim fires the first shot: i shutdown you!
[19:12] <desrt> upstart fires back: SIGTERM
[19:12] <xclaesse> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/44ad3195-6e7e-4192-95e5-bf5f282eab01/support-for-xmpp-ends-in-october-2013?forum=messengerconnect
[19:12] <desrt> systemd-shim dies
[19:12] <desrt> dbus: no!  my friend! *revives*
[19:12] <desrt> systemd-shim: i'm back!  i will suspend you!
[19:12] <desrt> *system suspends*
[19:13] <seb128> desrt, why does it suspend it when being respawned?
[19:14] <seb128> oh, I guess because the lid get closed and it doesn't have the flag telling him shutdown is happening anymore I guess?
[19:14] <desrt> yup
[19:14] <desrt> the SIGTERM from upstart wipes that out
[19:14] <desrt> and then because it no longer exists, dbus reactivates it
[19:14] <seb128> is any client trying to use it?
[19:15] <desrt> ya... when the lid closes, logind sends a message
[19:15] <desrt> to systemd
[19:15] <desrt> which restarts the shim, with the flag gone
[19:15] <desrt> it's really hilarious how complicated such a simple thing is
[19:15] <desrt> due to the various processes involved
[19:16] <desrt> and how 'abnormal' things are during shutdown
[19:18] <seb128> yeah
[19:18] <seb128> what do you think is the right fix there then?
[19:18] <desrt> i'm going to do something close to pitti's fix
[19:18] <desrt> instruct upstart not to kill us
[19:18] <seb128> can you do that?
[19:18] <desrt> yup
[19:18] <desrt> that's this sendsigs.omit.d stuff
[19:19] <desrt> fwiw, i don't really fully understand why this old unix style of "kill all the things" is still used
[19:19] <desrt> i guess SIGTERMing world+dog does do two useful things...
[19:19] <desrt> 1) reduces the use of filesystems allowing unmounts/readonly-remounts
[19:20] <desrt> 2) gives everyone a chance to save state
[19:20] <desrt> #1 is a bit silly in the modern day though... we could just explicitly target those processes
[19:20] <desrt> since we have /proc to tell us...
[19:21] <sarnold> /proc is racy..
[19:21] <desrt> sarnold: so is sigterm(*)
[19:22] <desrt> since soemthing could fork between you getting the list of things to kill and sending the signals
[19:22] <desrt> so in any case you have to do multiple passes
[19:22] <sarnold> desrt: which is why kill() and killpg() let you do some selectors themselves.. 0, -1, etc..


[03:18] <archpower> hey
[04:13] <InHisName> Hay is for horses, archpower
[04:17] <archpower> is it?
[04:17] <archpower> i once had bbq sauce made of hay
[04:17] <InHisName> How did it taste ?
[04:18] <archpower> i could swear i was eating real bbq sauce
[04:19] <archpower> so what part of pa are you from?
[04:19] <InHisName> Just hay , no tomatoes, peppers, vinegar, spices, etc ?
[04:19] <InHisName> Far East.
[04:19] <archpower> it had some spices sure, dont know exactly
[04:23] <archpower> im in montgomery county
[04:59] <InHisName> Im in Bucks, Warminster.
[04:59] <InHisName> Off to see the Wizard....
[09:26] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:40] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:40] <JonathanD> hey
[09:42] <rmg51> o/
[11:21] <waltman> Morning.
[12:06] <JonathanD> hey waltman
[12:08] <waltman> Yo.
[12:09] <InHisName> I'm awake now.  Let the tech chatter begin....
[16:06] <jedijf> fosscon photos: http://t.co/ZcytZh7i
[16:06] <pleia2> \o/
[16:35] <rmg51> that's old news
[16:36] <pleia2> I hadn't seen them yet, so I asked for a link
[16:37] <rmg51> k
[16:38] <rmg51> but JonathanD post that link some time ago
[16:38] <jedijf> sometimes people miss stuff
[16:38] <rmg51> that was why I said it was old news
[16:38] <jedijf> it happens
[16:39] <rmg51> yep
[23:01] <InHisName> Hey can compiz be stopped and restarted without rebooting ?   Its hogging nearly 400MB of ram.
[23:02] <InHisName> If so how to go and restart it.


[01:00] <Monkeytoe> hello... I have a rode podcaster usb microphone hooked up. It has an audio port on it to plug in headphones. When I hook up to the audio port I can hear every sound in the room. In windows to disable this all I had to do was mute the microphone in the speaker properties. How do I do this in linux?
[09:02] <hpprinter100> Hi
[09:02] <hpprinter100> I am mounting two hard disks on boot
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> well done
[09:03] <xubuntu005> hi, i'm running xubuntu 13.04  [3.8.0-29-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP X86_64]   with cgminer and 2 GPU. Problem is that ksoftirqd [ for both cores] + cgminer are using 100% CPU
[09:03] <hpprinter100> when the pc starts it errors out as sometimes the drives are assigned difrent sdb/c
[09:03] <hpprinter100> so it attempts to mount the wrong one
[09:03] <hpprinter100> and fails
[09:05] <hpprinter100> here is my fstab config for the drives : http://pastebin.com/iczRRYT2
[09:06] <bazhang> so assign them correctly
[09:06] <bazhang> !blkid | hpprinter100
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> I like using labels for partitions
[09:17] <hpprinter100> cool thanks
[09:17] <bazhang> np
[09:17] <hpprinter100> is there a GUI version?
[09:18] <bazhang> of what?
[09:18] <hpprinter100> auto-mounting drives on start up
[09:18] <bazhang> you want a gui way of editing the fstab?
[09:19] <well_laid_lawn> you could add mount options to xfce's autostart I guess
[09:20] <well_laid_lawn> it has a gui...
[09:27] <ui_> xfce autostart happens later... after fstab
[09:28] <ui_> so it has nothing to do with fstab
[09:28] <well_laid_lawn> but the lad wanted a gui so ...
[09:28] <Sysi> it still works for mounting
[09:29] <Sysi> with gvfs-mount
[09:30] <Sysi> and that's not really graphical
[10:18] <mojk2056> Hello?
[10:18] <mojk2056> Could someone help me, i got quite the problem :3
[10:18] <bekks> !ask | mojk2056
[10:18] <mojk2056> !ask
[10:19] <mojk2056> Anyway, i recently bought a Fujutsi laptop and tried to install xubuntu on it, and i works but i have a small problem.. The touchpad doesnt work, but the xubuntu recognizes it, but its not working..
[10:39] <Cocenpt220> Hello, i have a huge problem with my laptop while installing Xubuntu, the touchpad wont work at all. It didn't work in boot, and neither when i updated when i was done. In setting i can see that it recognizes it but it wont work. Its a Synaptics
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> Installing Xubuntu on old netbook last night I broke a toe!!  No health warning anywhere on live CD... disgusted  ;)
[14:26] <isank> whenever i try to copy a file into a removable drive, it starts good but at the end it stucks on 1 second remaining and then take too much time to get completed. Any solutions for this? Xubuntu 12.04 64 bit edition
[14:28] <isank> is anyone there?
[14:28] <isank> or everyone has left
[14:28] <isank> or no one knows the solution for it.
[16:49] <skorpio> hello, could anyone please try to help me fix my suspend issue with xubuntu 12.04?
[16:50] <skorpio> it looks familiar to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/990129
[16:51] <skorpio> created this module file but it fixed the issue only untill the latest updates needed to be installed
[16:52] <skorpio> i should be using xfce-4.12 for i was adding its ppa to my sources list and did all the updates
[16:53] <skorpio> however about:xfce tells me it would be 4.10
[16:53] <skorpio> i had compiz running but removed it
[16:53] <Sysi> xfce 4.12 hasn't been released yet and the default of 12.04 is 4.8
[16:54] <skorpio> k sorry for that
[16:57] <skorpio> this is what lspci lists: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6051982/
[17:59] <xubuntu545> burn xubuntu to usb??
[18:00] <bazhang> unetbootin
[18:01] <xubuntu545> (( unetbooting 11.10(( over
[18:02] <xubuntu545> 13.4?
[18:05] <xubuntu545> (...bb
[18:22] <xubuntu188> hi
[18:23] <xubuntu188> I am installing ubuntu n its 'copying installation logs' for 2 hours now...
[18:23] <xubuntu188> how am i supposed to stop it?
[18:29] <elfy> 2 hours?
[18:29] <Unit193> Think you could switch to TTY1 and see if it says anything.
[18:30] <elfy> xubuntu188: ctrl+alt+F1 to do that
[18:30] <elfy> personally I'd have quit a long time ago ...
[18:31] <elfy> xubuntu188: did the install successfully install grub - were you watching it while it installed
[19:59] <yeyeman> what's the difference between ls and l?
[20:00] <Sysi> l is an alias spesified in ~/.bashrc
[20:52] <xubuntu590> how can i enable flash player?
[20:53] <xubuntu590> hello?
[20:53] <xubuntu590> hello
[20:54] <David-A> xubuntu590: have you installed package xubuntu-restricted-extras or flashplugin-installer ?
[20:54] <David-A> come back!
[20:54] <TheSheep> attention span of a mayfly
[20:54] <David-A> how to /join another person?
[20:55] <TheSheep> you can /invite someone, but not when they are offline
[22:17] <yeyeman> I have a partition called D48AFE798AFE5806
[22:17] <yeyeman> can I safely rename it to something more palpable?
[23:29] <marklar> hello guys! I've been using Ubuntu for a while, but I've never played with non-intel graphics. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good card to buy for use with open source drivers


[19:25]  * maco high fives charlie-tca
[19:25] <TheMuso> maco: if you mean re the accessibility testing session, I totally agree.
[19:27] <maco> No
[19:27] <maco> We're in a session about the new buglisting view and charlie asked whether it'd have a way for the screenshot to dai what other columns are available
[19:28] <maco> s/screenshot/screenreader/
[19:28] <maco> s/dai/say/
[19:29] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[19:29] <TheMuso> Bug listing view? You mean for launchpad?
[19:29] <maco> Answer was that they hadn't considered blind users and will have to do some accessibility testing
[19:29] <maco> Yes for launchpad
[19:33] <TheMuso> heh. I am not surprised.
[19:34] <TheMuso> Thanks guys for going to that session and championing our needs.
[19:50] <maco> My only input was that the white text on colored backgrounds ought to at lest be bold for legibility
[19:50] <maco> Least*


[02:29] <guiverc> i just noted https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2023-May/007371.html in UWN and am slightly bewildered.. repost of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2023-May/007371.html that was pushed to fridge earlier; am i missing something?   do we want it on UWN?  (repeat due to post in aonther ML?)   [i've not diff'd files to confirm identical]
[02:30]  * guiverc just diff'd and yep identical.
[02:32] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I suggest we drop first in general.community as repeat of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue787#Extended_Security_Maintenance_for_Ubuntu_18.04_.28Bionic_Beaver.29_begins_31_May_2023 in my opinion;  new blog listed after it for sure include though
[02:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My memory must be at fault here - we drop as a dupe !
[02:33]  * guiverc wonders if vorlon just realized he forgot a ML & thus posted it when it was realized...
[02:34] <guiverc> Bashing-om, not an issue; I'd not expect a identical/duplicate post like that 10 days later, so wouldn't have been on 'guard' for it.
[02:36]  * guiverc isn't actually starting on summaries; just looking at how much is there.. and planning day (i may turn this box off & do some 'shuffling' of screens around... wanted to know how much is there given i'll be changing four boxes & all I'd normally use..
[02:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UWN is all in a day's works // ^ droped the dupe and re-arranged for the left over sub.
[02:41] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[02:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Appreciate that you have such good eyes :D
[02:51] <guiverc> my eyes are all blurry still today.. twas easy b/c its a post that was massaged for fridge
[02:51]  * guiverc wakes up some days & vision is blurry; thus ^
[03:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu Summit 2023 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-summit-2023
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[10:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r3247 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.12.13
[10:14] <davmor2> evand: r129 fixes the c:\ubuntu issue
[10:15] <evand> great
[10:15] <evand> it's already uploaded and linkd
[10:15] <evand> linked*
[10:16] <evand> it will get included if the CDs are rerolled (without having to update the livefs)
[10:16] <davmor2> evand: to be honest they are looking fairly solid at the moment
[10:18] <evand> indeed
[11:26] <CIA-4> pkgsel: cjwatson * r139 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog postinst): Run 'apt-get clean' after package installation (LP: #364249).
[14:30] <soren> I'm presuming this is a topic that has come up before, so I'd like to get you guys' feedback on it: It's rather common for people to want to add disks to their system some time after they've installed and used their system for a while. Is there any chance the partitioning components from the installer could be made available in the installed system in some form?
[14:31] <soren> It seems inconvenient that the interface to set up RAID sets or LVM or whatever is /completely/ different between the installer and the installed system.
[14:35] <cjwatson> it would be nice but is very hard ...
[14:36] <cjwatson> partly because by that point partitions are mounted and so half of the partitioner would stop working, which it isn't very good at dealing with right now
[14:40] <soren> cjwatson: Hmm... Yeah. As a start it could be used to deal only with completely unused disks, but that will appear as a rather arbitrary limitation to users, I think.
[14:41] <cjwatson> I'm pretty sure there's a wishlist bug for it, but there are a lot of dependencies to clear first
[14:41] <soren> I'm just thinking that I really want to have some sort of interface for setting those kinds of things up on servers, and was hoping I'd be able to reuse most of the stuff from d-i.
[14:41] <soren> Reimplementing it from scratch would be a real pain.
[14:42] <soren> Wishlist bug on Launchpad or Debian's BTS?
[14:43] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399805
[14:44] <cjwatson> to be perfectly honest, though, I don't think it's likely that you'll get this using partman any time soon
[14:45] <soren> Alright. Noted.
[15:02] <cjwatson> bug 364539 is breaking my head
[15:02] <cjwatson> the symptoms I'm seeing are literally impossible
[15:45] <shtylman> cjwatson: heh...thats great
[15:57] <shtylman> cjwatson: what about line 1108 in gtk_ui.py?
[15:57] <shtylman> doesn't that function run before every page step? and wouldn't that clear the keyboard layouts chosen?
[16:01] <shtylman> cjwatson: barring anything else those lines do, by commenting out 1108-1110 the bug goes away
[16:02] <cjwatson> sure, but all the calls to apply_keyboard are guarded with checks for non-None
[16:03] <cjwatson> specifically it's the one in on_suggested_keymap_toggled
[16:03] <cjwatson> anyway, I'll figure it out, I was just moaning :)
[16:03] <shtylman> haha
[16:04]  * davmor2 gives cjwatson a cookie
[17:43] <evand1> davmor2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cmsj/wubi-r129-signed.exe - can you test that
[17:43] <davmor2> evand1: is it different to the r129 then?
[17:44] <xivulon> -signed
[17:44] <evand1> it's just signed
[17:44] <xivulon> dave see 204834
[17:46] <davmor2> bug 204834
[17:47] <davmor2> xivulon evand: is this to be done as though I was downloading it rather than from cd?
[17:48] <xivulon> it should not matter, in practice it is unlikely to make the CD
[17:49] <xivulon> should appear as the left hand side of http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12800265/uac-signatures.png
[17:51] <xivulon> herm right-hand side
[17:52] <evand1> You should at the very least see "Canonical Ltd" in the text on the dialog box
[17:52] <xivulon> I am happy if we can avoid the "Unidentified Program" label
[17:58] <davmor2> Right I've dl'd it but I'm going for tea now so I'll install xp and run it on there after
[19:05] <davmor2> xivulon, evand: you might want to check out that signed r129 I'm getting no disk error
[19:10] <davmor2> actually don't worry just me


[05:24] <vibhav> Good Morning
[09:08] <ajmitch> Laney: how goes your haskell rebuilding-the-world?
[09:46] <ajmitch> Laney: ok to add haskell-attoparsec-text to bug 955521 ?
[10:57] <ajmitch> whoops, didn't spot one of those packages was synced & waiting in the source NEW queue :)
[11:03] <iulian> ajmitch: Don't bugger up like I did. :(
[11:04] <ajmitch> iulian: what did you do wrong?
[11:05]  * ajmitch synced a package that was needed for another to build, just didn't see it in source NEW before syncing
[11:05] <iulian> ajmitch: Those few syncs that shouldn't have been done yet?
[11:05] <ajmitch> so I guess an archive admin can reject my sync
[11:05] <ajmitch> iulian: they'll get sorted out soon enough
[11:05] <iulian> Well yea...
[11:05] <ajmitch> just have to wait for some other packages to get approved from NEW & then they can build
[11:05]  * iulian nods.
[11:07]  * iulian is off now.
[11:07] <iulian> Thanks again ajmitch. :)
[11:07] <ajmitch> I didn't mean to chase you off :)
[11:09] <iulian> Hah, I'm sure you didn't. I've got loads of other stuff to do. :(
[11:18] <Laney> ajmitch: yeah. we should do something systematic about that bug really
[11:19] <ajmitch> Laney: just syncing a few more, I've noticed a few new packages that need to get dragged in
[11:20] <ajmitch> hopefully all this can be sorted by beta freeze
[11:20] <Laney> good work
[11:20] <Laney> want to poke an archive admin to denew?
[11:20] <ajmitch> might not be the best time of day for that :)
[11:21] <Laney> someone will see it when they see it
[11:21] <ajmitch> I might poke someone tomorrow about it
[15:53] <iamgood> hi i wanna become a network and security programmer
[15:53] <iamgood> how can i ?
[15:53] <iamgood> please guide me
[15:54] <ScottK> Laney: deNew'd
[15:55] <Laney> ScottK: Thanks a lot
[17:41] <Pikkachu> hi, I tried to compile pidgin in 11.10 but failed, ./configure is ok but make keeps complaining about missing .libs/x.tpo files
[17:51] <Laney> ScottK: A few more up in NEW for you if you'd be so kind
[17:51]  * Laney disappears to the shop
[17:51] <fdoving> Pikkachu: you probably need the build-deps, apt-get build-dep pidgin or something similar.
[18:00] <Pikkachu> sorry I was disconnected
[18:00] <Pikkachu> can anyone help me?
[18:01] <fdoving> Pikkachu: do you have all the build-deps installed? you can also try a make clean, and then re-run configure.
[18:03] <Pikkachu> fdoving: if $apt-get install build-dep didn't lie to me, yes?
[18:04] <Pikkachu> can't anyone actually try the same as me??
[18:05] <Pikkachu> $apt-get source pidgin && cd pidgin-dir && ./configure && make?
[18:05] <Pikkachu> Ubuntu 11.10 here
[18:08] <jtaylor> does it work with debuild -us -uc?
[18:08] <jtaylor> maybe some patches must be applied first
[19:13] <ajmitch> Laney: I'll try & do another pass of haskell packages this evening, it looks like progress has been made though :)
[19:15] <ajmitch> I see you've synced a few packages into NEW that I was going to eventually get to :)
[19:22] <Laney> good stuff
[19:23] <Laney> it is progressing still, albeit more slowly
[19:38] <ajmitch> Laney: switching to sbuild helped me read the failures a bit better - is there a way you can get sbuild to cache packages that it has downloaded, like pbuilder can?
[19:38] <Laney> don't think so, I just use apt-cacher-ng
[19:39] <jtaylor> nice upstream answer to a patch of mine: "are you willing and able to swear on your life that the patch will not break any system where fftw currently runs"
[19:39] <ajmitch> ah right
[19:39] <jtaylor> what am I supposed to anwser to that except no
[19:40] <ajmitch> jtaylor: unless you have every obscure combination of hardware & software? :)
[19:41] <yellowduino> reminds me of my managers questions :D
[19:42] <ajmitch> "guarantee that this code will never in any circumstances have bugs"
[19:53] <JanC> that answer sounds more like a half-joke to me  ;)
[19:55] <jtaylor> apparently not as they won't apply the patch until its tested everywhere ._.
[19:55] <jtaylor> and its a 3 line diff in the build system :/
[19:56] <jtaylor> at least they have no issues with it being added to debian
[19:56] <JanC> they don't have development releases that get tested?
[19:57] <jtaylor> it is a minor issue, it only breaks package dependencies and maybe as-needed builds
[20:51] <broder> ScottK: looks like the lintian lab rebuild has finished. what was it that you wanted to look for?
[21:23] <micahg> apt-cacher-ng FTW
[21:25] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah, when I'm at home I have a local mirror, so I don't worry about it too much
[21:50] <plipp> Hi, I have added '99-antusb.rules' into /etc/udev/rules.d and restarted udev, yet I seem to get permission issues when accessing the device
[21:51] <plipp> The content of the file is:
[21:51] <plipp> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0fcf", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1008", MODE="666"
[21:59] <ajmitch> Laney: fwiw, haskell-leksah is missing a build-dep on libghc-quickcheck2-dev - I'd file a bug on debian but that'll have to wait until I have time to update sid :)
[21:59]  * ajmitch shall do it later today though
[22:00] <ScottK> broder: Thanks.
[22:00] <ScottK> Laney: I've been hitting a bunch of them as I have time.
[22:02] <ajmitch> ScottK: thanks for approving them, there's almost light at the end of the tunnel with the haskell stuff :)
[22:04] <ScottK> Is haskell-yesod-routes expected to only get builton some archs?
[22:07] <ajmitch> it looks unbuilt on debian as well on arm* & powerpc
[22:07] <ajmitch> there are a few like that which build-depend on ghc-ghci, which is provided by ghc
[22:09]  * ajmitch doesn't know nearly enough about it all to say why it's been done that way
[22:10] <ajmitch> looks like it's intentional, and provided only on a few archs
[22:28] <ScottK> OK
[22:30] <ScottK> All caught up now.
[22:38] <ScottK> debfx: Do you want to fix pythonqt in Ubuntu or would you rather I do it?
[22:39] <diarmuid> Hello I would love to get involved with packaging and maintaining Xubuntu/Ubuntu.
[22:41] <diarmuid> Or developing for Xubuntu how would I go about starting this?
[22:42] <debfx> ScottK: I can upload it
[22:42] <ScottK> debfx: OK. Great.
[22:42] <Rcart> diarmuid: Take a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[23:23] <Laney> ScottK: yeah, in general Haskell support is only 100% on x86
[23:24] <Laney> i'll need to get some OOD binaries removed manually
[23:24] <ajmitch> cull that ftbfs list a bit, there are a few too many haskell packages on there
[23:25] <ajmitch> (nearly) everything I've synced has built on all archs
[23:26] <ScottK> Laney: OK.   Thanks.
[23:28] <Laney> sigh, one ppc buildd out of action
[23:28] <ajmitch> that won't help it catch up
[23:29] <micahg> Laney: I'll get that looked at, thanks for noticing
[23:29] <ajmitch> though I'm impressed that it only has 5 jobs in the queue
[23:30] <micahg> been a slow weekend
[23:30] <micahg> well, I guess more a slow big package weekend (and someone forgot to get libreoffice uploaded :D)
[23:30] <ajmitch> seems to have only been haskell stuff thrown at the buildds :)
[23:31] <micahg> yeah, which is relatively fast builds
[23:31] <ajmitch> yup
[23:32] <ajmitch> Laney: any other big transitions planned for this week? :)
[23:33]  * micahg was debating doing hdf5, but probably won't have the time
[23:33] <Laney> libc7
[23:33] <jtaylor> is hdf5 ready in debian?
[23:33] <ajmitch> micahg: I heard that could be painful
[23:33] <jtaylor> if it is I could help
[23:33] <micahg> yeah, all minus a few packages
[23:33] <ajmitch> we could always try for that boost transition that was after DIF
[23:33] <micahg> jtaylor: still needs an FFe :)
[23:34] <micahg> ajmitch: I think you should recalibrate your pain meter :0
[23:35] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah that'd be asking for trouble the week of beta freeze
[23:35] <micahg> jtaylor: we should do a test rebuild before starting with hdf5, do you have time for that?
[23:35] <micahg> PPAs are empty at the moment :)
[23:35] <jtaylor> maybe
[23:35] <ajmitch> how many packages are involved in the hdf5 transition?
[23:35] <micahg> ~50 IIRC
[23:35] <ajmitch> not so bad
[23:36] <jtaylor> http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/hdf5.html
[23:36] <jtaylor> but it are lots of science packages :/
[23:36] <micahg> if we remove the stuff not in testing, it's ready for us
[23:36] <jtaylor> and those are often of mediocre quality
[23:36] <ajmitch> jtaylor: lots of slow builds?
[23:36] <jtaylor> and that
[23:48] <jtaylor> Laney: can you maybe set up a tracker for hdf5?
[23:48] <jtaylor> though I don't think I'll have time and it is very late
[23:49] <Laney> if you give me the details
[23:49] <Laney> but not tonight
[23:49] <Laney> are you sure you want to do this at this stage?
[23:49] <jtaylor> no
[23:49] <jtaylor> probably a bad idea
[23:51] <micahg> well, the binaries of hdf5 aren't seeded, so we still have ~4 weeks
[23:52] <micahg> we had this same version in lucid as we have now in precise, so I think it's worth doing if people have time (hopefully is just a rebuild test and uploads since all the work was done in Debian)
[23:53] <jtaylor> I can start a rebuild tomorrow and see how it looks
[23:54] <micahg> jtaylor: thanks, I can help with the uploads later this week (Tue night/wed)


[00:04] <nixternal> he is doing it everywhere
[00:04] <nixternal> I stopped paying attention, because where he is, I don't have ops
[00:14] <elky> he's offline now.
[02:10] <bazhang> Indian` still ban evading in -ot
[02:11] <bazhang> rww, hey
[02:11] <rww> Kavita/Umankt/whatever his... ah, bazhang beat me to it
[02:11] <bazhang> jinx!
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[02:23] <tonyyarusso> That syntax is right, right?
[02:24] <bazhang> yep
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> yay
[02:24] <bazhang> first @login though
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> The stupid ?= part is going away when seven finally lands, right?
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> bazhang: I meant the syntax of the ban.
[02:25] <bazhang> tonyyarusso, oh sorry will look
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> Also, huge high five to whoever finally a) fixed, and b) made far more awesome teh bantracker
[02:31] <MenZa> :o
[02:41] <bazhang> mcurran trolling ? banned from mint channels?
[03:36] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/325808/ - mark- called me a slag - no contact before... thats the uk equivelennt of a slut
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> switchgirl: It would be helpful to also identify the channel involved and a little context, if any.
[03:38] <switchgirl> no context and in pm we shared #ubuntu-uk
[03:39] <Seeker`> I have spoken to markie- and told them that sort of behaviour is unacceptable
[03:41] <switchgirl> Seeker`, did't seem to understand quite how mortifying it was for me
[03:52] <MenZa> Flannel: I'm probably going to head to bed soon(ish)
[03:52]  * MenZa hands Flannel his trusty banhammer
[03:52] <MenZa> You have the next watch ;)
[03:55] <Flannel> Howdy akgraner, how can we help you tonight?
[03:56] <akgraner> yeah can I see you in PM
[03:56] <Flannel> akgraner: sure
[03:56] <akgraner> I pinged kurt but he isn't around atm...:-/
[04:41] <ardchoille> ww in #ubuntu needs some supervision
[04:44] <ardchoille> ww is back in #ubuntu as two nicks, Tjah and rastafarian
[04:45] <ardchoille> probably testing to see if he was banned
[05:25] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: It's not as bad as it used to be, honest. I just go there to shout at people and rant.
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: good to know, but does "not as bad" bring it up to "worth mentioning here" yet?
[05:28] <MenZa> not at all, it was just a remark
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> mmk
[05:33] <MenZa> hence why I said it here ;)
[05:39] <MenZa> now foobar2313123whatever
[05:40] <bazhang> got him in PM
[05:44] <mneptok> bazhang: i'd suggest adding an ident to the ban to prevent other students at Concordia from having issues
[05:44] <mneptok> one man's opinion
[05:44] <bazhang> ok
[05:44] <mneptok> up to you. your ban.
[05:45] <bazhang> just a mute, not sure how to as he was changing nicks so fast though
[05:45] <bazhang> nearly missed the change from foobar12345 to lol
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> mmmmm, 'pbuilder create' is much more fun when you have a local mirror
[05:53] <bazhang> mneptok, going to leave the quiet on for a bit more then remove it.
[05:53] <bazhang> so as not inconvenience the other concordia students
[06:13] <bazhang> ah right +d  sorry for the confusion
[06:22] <bazhang> deviant-route, hi
[06:22] <deviant-route> hi bazhang
[06:24] <deviant-route> funny i was trying to get to #ubuntu, but for some reason it came to #ubuntu-ops
[06:24] <bazhang> deviant-route, yes, the proxy you are sharing is banned there
[06:24] <deviant-route> oh that explains
[06:26] <deviant-route> so this is where all the ubuntu ops hang out
[06:28] <deviant-route> anyways later
[06:29] <bazhang> the quiet on concordia has been removed, I will remember +d next time
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <jussi01> FOr all those asking for clarification about the UDS stuff,  we will have a few wikipages up soonish with some extra info. After that we can have some other community feedback. (those that couldnt attend uds)
[08:07] <jussi01> hiya dholbach
[08:08]  * jussi01 is in finland again :D
[08:08] <dholbach> hi jussi01
[08:09] <Tm_T> jussi01: and still no snow ):
[08:09] <Tm_T> still/again
[08:09] <jussi01> Tm_T: I dont care, just glad to be back in .fi
[08:09] <Tm_T> jussi01: yes, but suddenly all melts down before you arrive, so I blame aeroplanes
[08:10] <jussi01> lol
[08:10] <mneptok> blame Texas.
[08:10] <mneptok> we do.
[09:06] <DJones> Hi, looks like there's a repeating bot in #ubuntu username Maree
[09:07] <DJones> Thanks jussi01
[09:07] <elky> what... just what do the botmasters of those bots think they're actually contributing?
[09:07] <jussi01> elky: irritation?
[09:08] <elky> i'd say that's a detraction, not a contribution
[09:09] <jussi01> to me, its just another attempt at getting noticed/upsettign the channel. same as bot floods etc
[09:10] <elky> yeah
[09:10] <niko> Maree is in #kubuntu
[09:11] <jussi01> Tm_T: about?
[09:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: yes?
[09:12] <jussi01> Tm_T: never mind, I did it, but please watch and deal with it if she/it comes back
[09:12] <Tm_T> jussi01: ok, will try, though I'm mostly on hacking Kopete now
[09:13]  * Tm_T sets audible bell on
[10:11] <Bacta> Hi
[11:19] <aaron> why am I banned
[11:21] <aaron> hello
[13:30] <bazhang> please keep an eye on maggott . have to step away for a few.
[13:30] <ikonia> ok
[13:31] <Tm_T> in #u ?
[13:31] <ikonia> yes
[13:31] <Tm_T> roger
[13:37] <Tm_T> I'm still not fine, so if you see me not doing something, step in please
[13:37] <ikonia> I'd forgot about him
[13:38] <Tm_T> I wonder what happened to his channel
[14:55] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[14:55] <bazhang> trudell, please dont start.
[14:55] <trudell> you all are gays
[14:55] <ikonia> Tm_T: +b straight away
[14:55] <trudell> lmao
[14:55] <ikonia> don't allow this to happen again
[14:57] <trudell> i1m go back
[14:57] <bazhang> so we see
[14:57] <trudell> wha do you want baz?
[14:57] <bazhang> trudell, please dont waste any more time on this.
[14:58] <trudell> only with a condition
[14:58] <trudell> and so?
[14:58] <ikonia> trudell: there are no conditions, stop this behaviour now
[14:59] <trudell> sio, i never will stop
[14:59] <ikonia> !ops
[14:59] <ikonia> thanks Pici
[14:59] <bazhang> heh
[14:59] <trudell> no reasons, man
[15:00] <jpds> Pici:  *!____*______n=trudell@187
[15:01] <jpds> What a strange person.
[15:01] <Amaranth> I'll say it again: Where is my Microsoft check?
[15:01] <bazhang> in the mail
[15:02] <ikonia> he's free to rant in ##unavailable where he is now. Nice work
[15:03] <bazhang> any thoughts on huge number of bans that are unattributed on the ban list? (ie to a freenode server)
[15:03] <Amaranth> I'm trying to remember why that happens
[15:04] <ikonia> bazhang: does BT not provide any info ?
[15:04] <Tm_T> sp je
[15:04] <Tm_T> so he's back...
[15:04] <jpds> bazhang: Servers syncing with each other.
[15:04] <bazhang> jpds, right, I am just wondering how we can clear them in the most efficient way possible.
[15:05] <jpds> bazhang: /msg ChanServ clear #ubuntu bans
[15:05] <bazhang> ikonia, sure, once cross-referenced, and I did the last 72 or so but it took quite a while
[15:05] <jpds> Only a server somewhere may just catch fire.
[15:05] <bazhang> jpds, would be nice (the clear not the fire)
[15:07] <ikonia> bazhang: I'll much in and split it with you if you want
[15:08] <bazhang> ikonia, sounds good
[15:08] <ikonia> bazhang: ok, I'll start going through them
[15:09] <bazhang> ikonia, you starting from the channel list? via the top/bottom? or the bantracker? (just so we dont duplicate efforts)
[15:13] <Amaranth> afaik I don't have any bans anymore (Pricey found some after I said that last time) but if I do you are more than welcome to remove them
[15:13] <bazhang> Amaranth, okay thanks
[15:13] <bazhang> wondering about old Jack_Sparrow and LjL bans as well
[15:14] <ikonia> bazhang: I can start from where you want
[15:14] <ikonia> where is jack_sparrow ?
[15:14] <bazhang> not seen him in a very long time, 4 months or more
[15:17] <bazhang> ikonia, I will tackle the oldest freenode ones dated Oct 26 (though some date to January of last year in fact)
[15:18] <superm1> mneptok, Yes.
[15:18] <superm1> Tm_T, i think the proper response to "who are you" is "itza meee a mariooo!"
[15:18] <bazhang> hehe
[15:19] <Tm_T> superm1: ?
[15:19] <Tm_T> superm1: ah, yeah, who are you?
[15:19]  * Tm_T hides
[15:19] <bazhang> mythbuntu lead developer iirc ^^
[15:19] <Tm_T> bazhang: I know, just teasing
[15:19] <bazhang> :)
[15:22] <ikonia> bazhang: no problem I can work around that
[15:32] <Amaranth> superm1: hehe, that reminds me of assassin's creed 2
[15:32] <Amaranth> you have an uncle named mario and he says that :)
[15:39] <bazhang> whoa who fixed up the bantracker? I can search through it all from there
[15:40] <bazhang> just a side note/question: what about bans from no longer ops from more than a year ago?
[15:43] <maco> umm is this ok?
[15:43] <maco> [10:42:51] <maggott> friendishan: just put loads of porn on it and see the traffic go sky high.
[15:43] <maco> in #ubuntu
[15:43] <ikonia> maco: no
[15:43] <maco> (i think it was how to get lots of traffic to a server)
[15:43] <ikonia> I was watching him earlier
[15:43] <ikonia> I'll speak to him in pm
[15:44] <maco> ok
[15:44] <bazhang> going to remove
[15:44] <ikonia> got him in pm
[15:45] <ikonia> I've muted him for the moment bazhang
[15:46] <bazhang> ikonia, ok. re: the ban list, I am going to go through via the newly improved bantracker instead as it lists everything easily now, starting with the oldest.
[15:46] <ikonia> bazhang: ok, I'm still using the old one
[15:47] <Pici> old one? new one?
[15:48] <bazhang> Pici, now can search via channel, operator, wildcard, and a number of options bans, removed bans, include floodbots and more
[15:48] <Pici> bazhang: Some of those options have been there for a while.
[15:48] <ikonia> friendishan: hellow
[15:48] <friendishan> ikonia : hello
[15:48] <ikonia> hello even
[15:49] <ikonia> friendishan: how can we help you today ?
[15:49] <bazhang> Pici, true, though the channel one makes it much easier now in conjunction with bans including floodbots parameters
[15:49] <Pici> bazhang: the floodbot checkbox isn't new.
[15:49] <friendishan> ikonia : um.. i don't think i need any help! Thanks^^
[15:49] <bazhang> Pici, the channel and operators ones are
[15:49] <Pici> bazhang: true
[15:50] <bazhang> very nice :)
[15:50] <ikonia> friendishan: ok, no problem, this channel is for ubuntu operator help and issues, so if you don't need anything please check the topic as the channel has a non-idle policy
[15:50] <friendishan> ikonia: ok
[15:51] <ikonia> bazhang: maggott turned out to just be trying to be a problem in - pm, he's banned for now
[15:52] <bazhang> ikonia, ok thanks for the info. he seemed to have a terrible attitude earlier with saying jfgi and rtfm
[15:55] <bazhang> well if I remove some non-obvious bans from former operators and there are objections, they can be reinstated
[16:19] <bazhang> that seems to be it for the freenode ones from Oct 26; keeping in mind the expletive nicks and notorious @offensive are still in place
[16:19] <bazhang> (around 17)
[16:36] <bazhang> he is still banned (two days hence)
[16:37]  * Pici suggests taking the conversation to pm or -ops
[16:37] <bazhang> Amaranth, found just one ban forward from Nov 2 still in place for you; Okay to remove?
[16:37] <topyli> -ops would be a good idea if tonyyarusso is around. i wasn't the active op, and i have to go soon
[16:38] <Amaranth> bazhang: yeah
[16:38] <bazhang> going to tackle some of the floodbot bans now if that is okay
[16:39] <topyli> @login
[16:39] <topyli> good job!
[16:39] <topyli> @btlogin
[16:40] <Pici> !yay
[16:40] <topyli> hehe
[16:42] <topyli> ok it's what i thought. he and another user were discussing illegal niceties by way of philosophising about cognitive freedom. no big deal, but o4o anyway. tonyyarusso removed him
[16:43] <topyli> can't sort it out now, have to go
[16:57] <bazhang> no response from consul_falx in PM
[17:41] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[17:43] <topyli> tonyyarusso, oh there you are. i just tried to summon consul_falx from -ot to here
[17:43] <tonyyarusso> topyli: oh?
[17:43] <topyli> yes he is there
[17:44] <topyli> unresponsive to bazhang's pm. i had to be a way for a while, couldn't try myself meanwhile
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> what were you planning to do if he replied?
[17:45] <bazhang> ask him to come in here after he left -ot
[17:45] <topyli> tonyyarusso, talk about the ban, and evasion thereof
[17:46] <tonyyarusso> mmk
[17:46] <tonyyarusso> It's probably not intentional evasion.
[17:46] <topyli> tonyyarusso, technically, you banned him :)
[17:46] <topyli> no, i think he's in by accident as well
[17:47] <bazhang> that's what he said
[17:47] <bazhang> err that didn't come out right
[17:47] <tonyyarusso> I had expressed (in pm) the intention to have it stand for "a day", meaning that it would be removed a few hours from now.  His IP is from a university.  Probably he just thought it was removed a bit earlier.
[17:48] <topyli> tonyyarusso, what do you want to do? just remove it? that would be just as well too
[17:49] <tonyyarusso> topyli: Probably makes sense, yeah.  If nothing else happens, great.
[17:49] <topyli> i think he's simply not around right now anyway, to talk to
[17:50] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'm gonna vote for just move on with life for now.
[17:50] <topyli> your call really
[17:50] <tonyyarusso> (btw, he highlighted me earlier in the day after entering, so it's not like he's hiding)
[17:51] <tonyyarusso> Removed, watching, have fun all :)
[17:51] <topyli> cheers
[17:59] <bazhang> troll in #kubuntu D-coy
[18:05] <bazhang> * strudell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu joined, spammed and left
[18:12] <ikonia> same ISP as the trudell
[18:12] <ikonia> not really very imaginative in his nicks
[18:13] <bazhang> true :)
[18:13] <ikonia> didn't change his real name either
[18:13] <ikonia> trolls are getting lazier
[18:30] <mneptok> superm1: welcome to the jungle. :/
[20:06] <mac_v> hi. how do i set/change the topic for an irc channel?
[20:07] <mneptok> mac_v: you'll want to ask such question in #freenode
[20:08] <mac_v> mneptok: hmm , it was the topic for an Ubuntu channel... anyways , thanks, I'll ask in freenode :)
[22:09] <nhandler> tsimpson: Congratulations on making the Ubuntu Hall of Fame (http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/?feature=terence-simpson)
[22:10] <MenZa> tsimpson: whoa. congrats.
[22:38] <trudell> hi all
[22:38] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[22:38] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[22:40] <MenZa> oh lawd.
[22:43] <topyli> oh that is terrible news!
[22:43] <topyli> i'm just happy i had heard it before
[22:48] <MenZa> :D
[23:26] <tsimpson> ooh, I'm famous now
[23:28] <tsimpson> with possibly the worst photo of me ever taken
[23:28] <tsimpson> made worse only because I took that photo :p
[23:29] <mneptok> tsimpson: i already set that as by desktop background.
[23:30] <Flannel> which one?
[23:31] <Flannel> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MWFwmpEQpsg/SwoyKFLs93I/AAAAAAAAAFg/61CHuC5rb_0/s400/dallas16.jpg ?
[23:31] <Flannel> Hmm, maybe it's not on planet.
[23:31] <nhandler> tsimpson: Don't worry, my photo was pretty bad too
[23:33] <mneptok> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/5/55/Mnepolo.png
[23:34] <mneptok> you all lose.
[23:35] <Flannel> mneptok: Yes, yes, we all have pictures of ourselves going about our day to day activities.  What do you wear when you're dressing up though?
[23:35] <mneptok> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001MU3360/sr=8-2/qid=1259019325/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=1036592&s=apparel&qid=1259019325&sr=8-2
[23:38] <MenZa> I know very well not to click at least the first link.
[23:39] <MenZa> And I know mneptok too well to click the second one.
[23:39] <MenZa> DESPITE being from Amazon.com.
[23:39] <mneptok> Flannel is busy inventing a word that melds the definitions of "regret" and "horror"
[23:54] <Flannel> regrort