[03:03] <PStryder> eMachine eM250 - netbook remix 10.04 - installed from USB stick to HDD.  Boots/Runs fine from USB, attempt to boot from HDD after install results in black screen with flashing cursor.  Re-installed grub, no change.  Help?
[12:13] <CIA-4> installation-guide: cjwatson * r474 lucid/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml):
[12:13] <CIA-4> installation-guide: * Backport from trunk:
[12:13] <CIA-4> installation-guide:  - partman/confirm_write_new_label was renamed to
[12:13] <CIA-4> installation-guide:  partman-partitioning/confirm_write_new_label in r50363, December 2007.
[12:13] <CIA-4> installation-guide:  Adjust preseeding documentation to match (LP: #591199).
[12:31] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1294 lucid-proposed/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-22 kernels.
[12:35] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1295 lucid-proposed/ (build/config/common debian/changelog): Use udebs from lucid-security, lucid-proposed, and lucid-updates.
[12:37] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1296 lucid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu102.1
[14:40] <ogra> cjwatson, hmm, installing oem-config-gtk doesnt really install any xorg packages ...
[14:41] <ogra> (in a chroot)
[14:41] <ogra> shouldnt there be some kind of dep ?
[14:41] <cjwatson> maybe, file a bug :)
[14:42] <cjwatson> though in general X clients do not depend on the server
[14:43] <ogra> hmm, tricky


[02:22] <cc> morning，everyone
[02:22] <cc> how to use .vcf on ubuntu phone?
[02:22] <cc> i want to put it in my ubuntu phone
[02:26] <cc> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360466/how-do-i-sync-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch
[02:26] <cc> i got it :)
[03:54] <cc> i use "syncevolution --import /home/phablet/Documents/contacts/your.vcf backend=evolution-contacts",but it told me
[03:55] <cc> "/home/phablet/Documents/contacts:No such file or directory"
[03:55] <cc> what's that mean?
[03:57] <cc> s/your.vcf/number.vcf
[03:57] <cc> because i named it "number" in my phone
[06:19] <ganeshi4u> in place of your.vcf place the name of your file. In this case  number.vcf
[09:08] <chris____> hello
[09:08] <chris____> is somebody here ?
[09:09] <popey> yes
[09:09] <chris____> I would like some informations about my tab
[09:10] <chris____> I hope to install ubuntu on a samsung galaxy tab 3 sm-t210
[09:10] <chris____> is it possible ?
[09:11] <popey> chris____: someone would need to port it
[09:11] <popey> !devices | chris____
[09:12] <Mohero> Is anyone running UBPorts Nexus5?
[09:13] <popey> dobey might be
[09:13] <popey> he has/had one
[09:15] <chris____> as i can read i think it is impossible to switch os in my tab
[09:16] <popey> until someone does the port, yes
[09:17] <chris____> another question if a can
[09:18] <Mohero> popey: Thanks - The issue I'm having is a 404 when doing apt-get update; it's failing to find "Packages", but looking at the URL, "Packages.gz" exists, "Packages" does not, Is this an issue with the N5, UBPorts or 15.04 in general?
[09:19] <chris____> my smartphone dead before hollidays and i would like to know witch smatphone i can buy with ubuntu on os
[09:20] <popey> Mohero: dunno, I don't have a nexus 5, sorry
[09:22] <Mohero> np
[09:25] <Mohero> It's not partucularly stable on the N5, anyway - but I was looking at it because our product at work compiled for the Raspberry Pi *almost* just works, but I need GDB to get much further :(
[09:25] <NeKit> where can I find latest libhybris source to build package? I want to try MM linker with Intel Cherry Trail tablet
[09:41] <brunch875> new emoji layout looks amazing
[09:41] <brunch875> usability++
[10:06] <NeKit> finally found it: https://git.launchpad.net/~libhybris-maintainers/libhybris/+git/libhybris/
[10:09] <yuchen> Hi, I'm trying to create a scope for ubuntu phone, but I can't figure out the 'search suggestions' feature described here. Does anyone know how to do it? https://design.ubuntu.com/scopes/components#header-search
[10:11] <davidcalle> yuchen: hi, I don't think that's actually implemented, that's more a feature on the roadmap. Maybe pstolowski knows?
[10:12] <davidcalle> alecu: ^
[10:17] <alecu> yuchen: davidcalle: we don't have that, and I would question if it's still relevant
[10:18] <alecu> Because scope results are shown immediately as you type
[10:18] <alecu> So, you could use a category of results to include suggestions
[10:19] <alecu> We do show some suggestions from the server when searching the app store scope
[10:20] <alecu> (there are very few at this point, though)
[10:24] <yuchen> Reasonable. Actually it's not necessary for my scope. Thanks for the info guys!
[11:58] <kaisoz> hi there!
[11:58] <kaisoz> quick question... what is a silo? maybe a kind of testing image?
[11:59] <ogra_> a kind of PPA
[11:59] <cwayne> mariogrip: hey by any chance did you ever start on nexus5x? I was considering poking around but figured I should check first :)
[12:00] <ogra_> if you develop a feature that happens often across more than one package, a silo holds everything needed for a feature ... developers make their devices writable. install the silo content and test it (and then flash their phones to be clean again)... if it is good, the silo gety merged into the overlay PPA for phone packages
[12:00] <ogra_> *gets
[12:01] <kaisoz> ahhh great
[12:01] <kaisoz> that's why I see it referencend along with the ci train
[12:02] <kaisoz> thank you ogra_ :)
[12:02] <ogra_> right, the ci-train is the umbrella tool that manages the silos etc
[12:02] <ogra_> (and does the landing of a PPA into the overlay ... once everyone gave his approval)
[12:03] <ogra_> it is kind of a ticket system that goes from developer to QA to landing team
[12:03] <ogra_> each of them has to sign off a silo before it can land
[12:03] <ogra_> (coordination of that is done in the #ubuntu-ci-eng channel btw)
[12:04] <kaisoz> so the silo is tested in the CI and reviewed by the QA. When that goes ok, then is passed to Landing which prepares it for the final image
[12:06] <ogra_> right
[12:06] <ogra_> and then sil2100 writes a mail about it (the daily landing team report) ;)
[12:08] <s`> sometimes on-screen keyboard just stop working (happens on any app randomly), is it known?
[12:15] <kaisoz> got it! thank you ogra_!
[13:04] <dobey> Mohero: you really shouldn't try to install stuff on the phone with apt. are you doing that in a chroot, or what?
[13:05] <ogra_> yeah, bad idea
[13:57] <Mohero> dobey, what's the right way to install, then? gdb isn't in the app store...
[13:58] <Mohero> I thought the entire point of Ubuntu convergence was that I can use a keyboard/mouse/monitor and apt-get my normal work...
[13:58] <Mohero> if convergence stuff runs in a chroot, then that's fine - I can run a chroot, but that doesn't fix the issue of the 404's
[13:58] <dobey> Mohero: no, / on phones is a very limited partition size
[13:59] <dobey> Mohero: well you can run xenial stuff in a chroot, rather than vivid (which is EOL for normal Ubuntu)
[13:59] <Mohero> right, but this is just to debug the application that is already running on the phone (mostly)..
[14:00] <Mohero> that would be helpful... is there docs on creating the chroot/LXC for xenial?
[14:00] <dobey> well the archive is still on the server, so i don't know why you're getting 404s unless you changed the apt sources to point to some other places
[14:00] <dobey> Mohero: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[14:00] <Mohero> my point is the 404 are on "Package" which doesn't exist, "Package.gz" does exist, which is why I was wondering if it was a bug of some description.
[14:01] <Mohero> Thanks for the link..
[14:04] <Mohero> it's Nexus 5 running RC-proposed from ubports
[14:12] <dobey> Mohero: i presume that 404 is harmless then, or you just hit the archive at a bad time (while database were being re-synced/re-built)
[14:17] <Mohero> dobey: I don't think it's timing as it's happened since I installed, but a chroot/LXC should solve the issue and will allow me to target 16.04, anyway - at least at this stage
[14:18] <dobey> so to create a xenial chroot, same instructions as in that link, but grab the xenial daily-preinstalled tar.gz instead of the vivid one
[15:04] <kaisoz> hi there!
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> Is there a way for an app to tell that it's running in Unity 8? The equivalent with other shells (for desktop, at least) would be checking XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP. I'm not sure if that's set on Unity 8 / desktop (it's not on the phone, which I guess makes sense)
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> (not sure if that message appeared before. Apologies if it did, but I got disconnected as soon as I sent it)
[15:25] <kenvandine> seb128, bug 1612702
[15:44] <javier4_> why my ubuntu source can't find LOCAL_SHARED_LIBRARIES placed under vendor/mediatek even if I added that path to main.mk?
[15:55] <kaisoz> i'm trying the emulator for development, I followed the tutorial from the wiki, but the "touchscreen" works pretty badly... it's very difficult to tap anywhere with the mouse, the emulator just doesn't detect it
[15:55] <kaisoz> does anybody know any configuration or similar to make it work better?
[15:55] <kaisoz> I created the instance for x86
[15:55] <kaisoz> with the default channel, that I think is the devel one
[15:55] <kaisoz> right?
[16:02] <peat-psuwit> kaisoz: Use stable or rc-proposed channel.
[16:03] <kaisoz> I guess nobody is here on a friday afternoon... sounds logical to me xD
[16:03] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: I guess I want to see your Android.mk file.
[16:03] <kaisoz> ahh ok, I just saw ur message
[16:03] <kaisoz> thx
[16:03] <kaisoz> :)
[16:04] <kaisoz> dev channel is not used at all?
[16:04] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, they're are .mk files I already used to correctly build an mtk-customized AOSP tree.
[16:05] <peat-psuwit> kaisoz: devel is used for porting Ubuntu Touch to the current LTS release (xenial).
[16:06] <kaisoz> ahh ok
[16:07] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Ubuntu Touch build system disabled some aspect of building, for example Java bits. I still want to see your Android.mk.
[16:07] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[16:09] <kaisoz> I just created an instance from the stable one, this works nicely
[16:09] <kaisoz> thx!
[16:12] <kaisoz> although it's a bit difficult to use the edges hehe
[16:13] <javier4_> this time it doesn't find neither libnativehelper
[16:13] <javier4_> make: *** No rule to make target `/home/Ubuntu/javier/dati/UbuTouch/phablet5/out/target/product/y991/obj_arm/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libnativehelper_intermediates/export_includes', needed by `/home/Ubuntu/javier/dati/UbuTouch/phablet5/out/target/product/y991/obj_arm/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libapedec_mtk_intermediates/import_includes'.  Stop.
[16:13] <javier4_> http://pastebin.com/5Z2xch9j
[16:13] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, ^^^^
[16:16] <kaisoz> 1what's the emulator "device"? just "ubuntu"? cause I didn't have to specify the device in the channel name for the stable/devel channel but I had to for the rc-proposed (ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu)
[16:20] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: IIRC, libnativehelper is used to implement methods for system class libraries on Java.
[16:21] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Why do you want to build it anyway?
[16:22] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, I copied the entire vendor/ dir from my aosp tree to the ubuntu one. Should I remove the whole mediatek/proprietary/external/apedec/?
[16:23] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: You're porting to a device?
[16:23] <javier4_> yes
[16:24] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: what's that device?
[16:24] <javier4_> an mt6795 based phone.
[16:24] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: specific device, please.
[16:25] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: and do you have a link to the device tree?
[16:25] <javier4_> elephone vowney lite
[16:25] <javier4_> no, no link. I re-generated the tree taking many things from various place on the net.
[16:25] <javier4_> aosp builds and works
[16:28] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: I'm not sure why libapedec_mtk wants to link to libnativehelper, but this suggest that libapedec_mtk gets tied to pretty much high level Android system, which Ubuntu Touch doesn't provide.
[16:29] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Do you know what is libapedec_mtk? Or what's its user?
[16:29] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, to me, the name remember a mtk proprietary decoder for .ape. Seems strange that's high level.
[16:31] <peat-psuwit> APE is a codec?
[16:31] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: It maybe not that high level, but I don't know how that lib was written.
[16:32] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: anyway, where did you get stuffs in vendor/mediatek anyway?
[16:32] <javier4_> it's a decoder for monkey's audio file. Found some repos on the net.
[16:33] <javier4_> I don't know why a user-level decoder it's customized by chip vendor...
[16:33] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: It's hardware-decoder library.
[16:34] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: So it's specific to your chipset.
[16:34] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, and why it needs java, then?
[16:34] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Only developers who wrote that code knows. Or the one who have code.
[16:35] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: I can't really tell anything without having source code in my hand. Where do you get that repo, exactly?
[16:36] <javier4_> I don't remember. It was a lot of time ago.
[16:38] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Is it a git repo? Run "git remote -v" and "git log -1 --pretty=oneline"
[16:38] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: in libapedec_mtk repo directory
[16:39] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, i have no more git metainfo. At the end of my work on aosp I let just the files.
[16:41] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Try going to that directory in your AOSP tree. I don't believe it's not a git repo.
[16:41] <javier4_> peat, trust me: I have no git address to give you.
[16:43] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Then put them on Github. Put both device repo, kernel repo and each of your directory in vendor/mediatek.
[16:44] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Name your repo by path, replacing / with _ and put ubuntu-touch_ in front.
[16:47] <javier4_> peat-psuwit, I don't know how much rights I have to redistribute this material. So that's not a way. Thanks anyway for your time. If you have an idea to solve my problem with shared libraries I'll read it in a couple of hours. Keep in mind that I copied libnativehelper/ dir from my aosp tree to the ubuntu one, but make still complain with the error I posted previously.
[16:49] <peat-psuwit> javier4_: Things in Android world are usually licensed under Apache 2. See LICENSE file in the repo. If you have the source code you probably can distribute it, because Apache 2 gives that right to you.
[18:07] <dobey> k1l: ^^ err, #spam ?
[18:08] <k1l> dobey: ah yes.
[18:08] <dobey> seems like that one needs a kline though
[18:08] <k1l> yep
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi


[13:22] <IceflamePhoenix> Afternoon. This probably isn't vitally important, but I've noticed a typo on the main website.
[13:25] <emunkki> IceflamePhoenix, spit it out
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/productivity-tools/
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> Instant messaging
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> Pidgin IM is the extremely popular open source messaing tool.
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> *messaing*
[13:27] <IceflamePhoenix> Irony ftw.
[13:38] <emunkki> IceflamePhoenix, ok. i hope somebody will address this issue. thanks.
[13:38] <IceflamePhoenix> No problem, enjoy =)
[14:51] <newz2000> got it
[16:24] <thorwil> newz2000: hi. yesterday you mentioned someone being responsible for branding. not kenneth and not gerry carr?
[16:24] <newz2000> correct, her name is Kat Kinnie
[16:24] <thorwil> new?
[16:25] <newz2000> started a year ago
[16:25] <newz2000> she mostly works in the world of print, the shop.canonical.com is under her wing
[16:25] <newz2000> ^but the shop...
[16:26] <thorwil> ah, guess that explains why i hear of there even being such a position first time :)
[16:28] <thorwil> newz2000: is there a plan for a countdown in the ubuntu.com banner?
[16:28] <newz2000> yeah, I'm not 100% certain but I think it will be your column 3
[16:29] <thorwil> hopefully only for the last few days :)
[16:29] <newz2000> why's that?
[16:30] <thorwil> oops, that was my lazy twin self ;)
[16:32] <thorwil> well, the aspect is similar enough that it shouldn't be a problem
[16:34] <newz2000> remember people won't look at the images side by side
[16:34] <newz2000> they only get to see one per day
[16:38] <thorwil> newz2000: sure. if you flip through my images, you will see how the numbers seem to move. they are optimized for each single image, not for the series
[16:40] <thorwil> newz2000: anyway, i greatly appreciate your responsiveness and will wait for specifics for the banner :)
[16:42] <newz2000> I'm eager to hear back from them too... and there's no need to thank me, I'm thanking you!
[16:44] <thorwil> well, yw :)
[16:52] <thorwil> dang, how do i get to old revisions of wiki pages?
[16:52] <newz2000> click the info link
[16:53] <thorwil> oh!
[17:01]  * thorwil puts hands back on the wiki
[17:02] <thorwil> poor dholbach, is he subscribed to all pages, or just all i ever edited by coincidence? :)
[17:02] <newz2000> I think he subscribed to them all
[18:39] <newz2000> hi Volans, had any luck with html2po yet?
[18:40] <Volans>  Hi newz2000, yes, I have done some work and tests, with some indentation changes in the html it works
[18:40] <newz2000> cool
[18:41] <Volans> I would do some more imporvements before release it
[18:41] <Volans> maybe tomorrow
[18:41] <newz2000> I have the details from Gerry and we've decided on the changes to the layout
[18:41] <newz2000> there's going to be far less text for one thing
[18:42] <Volans> great! and you have a mockup or something like that?
[18:42] <newz2000> we're going to go with Lizzeh's mockup on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidStartPage
[18:42] <Volans> only for the online version or also the offline will be changed?
[18:42] <newz2000> Good question
[18:43] <newz2000> lets assume this is for the online version for now
[18:45] <Volans> ok, because the only problem is that for a more safely and automatic use of html2po the starting html and po files should be manually checked/adapted
[18:47] <newz2000> so if we don't have an html file yet, should we mockup something to get the strings out of it using html2po or should we just make a po file using a diff tool?
[18:50] <Volans> the po file can be generated also manually or with other tools if we already have all the texts, irrespective of the html structure, but before send the po file to the doc teams I think is always better to check it with the final html
[18:50] <newz2000> ok
[18:51] <Volans> if you want I can also put on LP the po file and some code to generate the html files for the actual version of the start page
[18:51] <newz2000> so just discussed it with gerry
[18:51] <newz2000> Volans: hold tight
[18:51] <newz2000> but be ready
[18:51] <newz2000> I'm going to send the email to the list about what we need to do
[18:52] <Volans> ok :)
[18:52] <newz2000> and I'll say that you're leading the technical efforts for the translation infrastructure (if that's ok with you)
[18:52] <Volans> don't mention it...
[18:52] <newz2000> ok
[19:05] <Volans> newz2000: I have read the email, why "no local search or ubuntu search" ? Perhaps is due to problem/complicated stuff with Google and Mozilla?
[19:23] <newz2000> Volans: goal is for fewer options, simpler interface
[19:24] <Volans> ok, I will reply to the email in a while
[22:34] <Volans> newz2000: thank you for the reply in list, I agree with most of the things you say
[22:36] <newz2000> I'm eager to see this done...
[22:36] <newz2000> next we'll I'll move the feature tour forward and it looks to me like we'll complete our 3 major tasks for intrepid release
[22:48] <mdke> I'm still a bit concerned about introducing html2po infrastructure into ubuntu-docs for intrepid
[22:49] <mdke> I'm working to cleanup the packaging to make it less delicate, so maybe it will be possible...
[22:49] <Volans> mdke: as you want, if you prefer for Jaunty, no problem
[22:49] <newz2000> mdke: there is a build script we use currently, the end result will be just some plain html files
[22:49] <Volans> but if the offline page will change
[22:50] <Volans> until we have the definitive page, we can't create the po file to be uploaded to launchpad
[22:50] <mdke> newz2000: the thing is, ubuntu-docs currently uses a very precise list of localisations, once we introduce Launchpad into the mix, we're going to be screwed
[22:50] <mdke> newz2000: what I'm trying to sort out is how to remove the "very precise list" bit from ubuntu-docs
[22:51] <Volans> mdke: there is a specific reason for that "very precise list"?
[22:51] <newz2000> mdke: does that mean you're trying not to get any new translations at the moment?
[22:52] <mdke> Volans: yes, historical
[22:52] <mdke> newz2000: no, new translations are welcome
[22:53] <newz2000> mdke: is your concern that some translations that are currently included might get left out?
[22:53] <mdke> newz2000: no, my concern is that if we implement automatic translations for ubuntu-docs something will break
[22:53] <mdke> anyway, as I say, I'm hoping to cleanup the situation - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026434.html
[22:54] <Volans> mdke: let me explain a little the work I have done
[22:54] <newz2000> oh, I see. Well, there's not going to be anything automatic yet
[22:54] <mdke> Volans: sure
[22:54] <Volans> I have found the way to make a po file with the strings for the start page
[22:54] <Volans> so we can put that file on LP and let the doc teams translate it
[22:55] <Volans> after that a script will automatically generate the translated html files for the start page
[22:55] <Volans> NOT the structure made by the ubuntu-doc package
[22:55] <Volans> I'm able to reproduce the "source" html files that actually are in the source package ubuntu-doc
[22:55] <mdke> I'm pretty familiar with po file toolchains, we use them for every document in ubuntu-docs EXCEPT the startpage
[22:56] <Volans> the package itself will generate all the delicate stuff, symbolic link etc of the start page in the system
[22:56] <mdke> I know how it all works, and I understand and approve of what you're doing - I'm just saying that until we fix ubuntu-docs, it's difficult to use it
[22:57] <mdke> Volans: send me all the code and I'll try and have a look at it this weekend when I look at trying to fix the problems I've got
[22:57] <Volans> ok, sure, I can sent to you it tomorrow morning
[22:58] <mdke> Volans: fine, thanks
[23:00] <mdke> gtg now, catch you later
[23:17] <Volans> newz2000: the start page is seen also after a release upgrade?
[23:18] <newz2000> Volans: I'm not 100% confident but I believe so
[23:18] <newz2000> I think its shown after every firefox update
[23:19] <newz2000> I've seen it a few times in the last few months
[23:19] <Volans> maybe I can ask asac for that, just to be sure
[23:19] <Volans> because I was wondering that a new Ubuntu user (fresh installation) have really different needs in respect to a user that have done an upgrade
[23:20] <newz2000> I think we're targeting the new user with this
[23:20] <newz2000> also there's another user...
[23:21] <newz2000> OEM's (like dell) may use this same start page but may not offer quite the same desktop experience
[23:22] <Volans> right, so lot of different users, and we can't make a page for each of those


[01:52] <netritious> Howdy
[02:17] <Unit193> Hellos.
[02:37] <netritious> how are things Unit193?
[14:28] <netritious> Howdy. thought I would swing by during daylight hours lol