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[13:32] <tsdgeos> was a pleasure working for Canonical! /me waves
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[14:52] <kenvandine> vigo, did you see my comment about silo 2495?
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[16:05] <robru> wow no pings overnight
[16:44] <rvr> kenvandine: Difficult day today to test silos, as it is the last day for many of us.
[16:44] <rvr> kenvandine: It's been a honor to working with you
[16:44] <kenvandine> rvr, i totally understand
[16:44] <kenvandine> you too!
[16:45] <kenvandine> such a sad day
[16:45] <rvr> As with many here in the channel
[16:45] <rvr> s/working/work/
[16:46] <kenvandine> rvr, i was surprised vigo was even testing it
[16:46] <kenvandine> but i do want to land that :)
[16:47] <kenvandine> even though we have no idea if content-hub has a future :(
[16:47] <ogra_> kenvandine, just bribe ubports and it will
[16:48] <kenvandine> :)
[16:51] <rvr> kenvandine: That was before the news :(
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2713 Preparing packages
[17:09] <dobey> kenvandine: just publish it yourself without qa at this point, i think :)
[17:09] <kenvandine> dobey, might be the only way to get stuff landed :/
[17:45] <davmor2> dobey: qa is still here it'll just take longer now
[18:17] <davmor2> kenvandine: one down
[18:17] <kenvandine> davmor2, thanks!
[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, kdub, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2495 QA Signoff: Approved
[18:17] <kenvandine> davmor2, much appreciated :)
[18:18] <davmor2> kenvandine: vigo did it just lost track of it with what is going on
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[02:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Securing open source software dependencies in the public cloud @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/securing-open-source-software-dependencies-in-the-public-cloud
[02:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Learn about all things Kubeflow at Kubeflow Summit 2023 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/kubeflow-summit-2023
[02:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Scarlett Gately Moore: KDE: Why KDE snaps Love KDE neon and the Big Move. @ https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/kde-why-kde-snaps-love-kde-neon-and-the-big-move/
[02:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: Fixing a broken snap build - part two @ https://popey.com/blog/2023/10/fixing-a-broken-snap-build-part-two/
[13:20] <zzia`y> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro
[13:20] <zzia`y> I wish politicians would look out for miners
[13:20] <zzia`y> And not just minors on an island somewhere
[13:20] <zzia`y> Lord, we got folks in the street, ain’t got nothin’ to eat
[13:20] <zzia`y> And the obese milkin’ welfare
[13:20] <zzai`ed> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro
[13:20] <zzia`y> irc.supernets.org #superbowl
[13:20] <zzai`ed> I wish politicians would look out for miners
[13:20] <zzia`y> zzia`y zzai`ed guiverc danilogondolfo ubuntulog ItzSwirlz tcuthbert pepeamid Eickmeyer SwissBot madmax fabiomirmar hggdh tuxifreund Unit193 Hackerpcs Maik ubottu lp2skyline ballot ChanServ mapreri pleia2 t0xicCode teward jose brlin popey kenyon krytarik PaulW2U
[13:20] <zzai`ed> And not just minors on an island somewhere
[13:20] <zzai`ed> Lord, we got folks in the street, ain’t got nothin’ to eat
[13:20] <zzai`ed> And the obese milkin’ welfare
[13:20] <zzai`ed> irc.supernets.org #superbowl
[13:20] <zzai`ed> zzia`y zzai`ed guiverc danilogondolfo ubuntulog ItzSwirlz tcuthbert pepeamid Eickmeyer SwissBot madmax fabiomirmar hggdh tuxifreund Unit193 Hackerpcs Maik ubottu lp2skyline ballot PaulW2U krytarik kenyon popey brlin jose teward ChanServ mapreri t0xicCode pleia2


[05:11] <wxl> tsimonq2: we need to put our heads together about GCI
[05:11] <wxl> we need some tasks up there like yesterday
 Right
 But I'm in bed now. 😉
[05:13] <wxl> kbai
 What's GCI? 🤔
[14:20] <wxl[m]> @vikingredwolf Google Code In. We've participated before. I thought I emailed the list about it but I guess not
 😢
[14:46] <wxl[m]> You can make designy tasks if you want
[14:55] <RedWolf[m]> Send me the link, plz
[16:12] <wxl> @RedWolf[m]: the link to add tasks?
[16:16] <RedWolf[m]> Then what do you want me to tweak?
[16:16] <wxl> nothing, but if you have tasks that students can complete..
[16:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: yeah, and that's what it seemed to be related to, i thought
 @wxl, Wrong chan :P
[16:18] <wxl> argh
[16:21] <wxl> @RedWolf[m]: here's a link to help you understand what Google Code In perhaps? https://community.ubuntu.com/t/google-codein-starts-today/2344
[16:27] <RedWolf[m]> Ta
 nothing to do there .__.
[17:21] <wxl> it provides perspective on what we're looking for, i think, in terms of tasks
[17:21] <wxl> you can ask popey to sign you up as a mentor
[17:21] <wxl> then you'll have full access to the google code in page and should be able to add tasks
 mhm
[17:23] <wxl> or you can tell me the tasks you want to add
 none? .__.
[17:25] <wxl> then why ask more? .__________________________________.
 dunno, curious :)
 :*
[17:29] <wxl> it's kind of like linux padawan, kind of.. except a little less training.. and more getting work done for you :)
 that gives me bad memories
[17:32] <wxl> just forget about that *ONE* aspect of it and you'll remember it was all blissful :)
 :)


[06:14] <GeekyGirl36> Hello all.  :)
[06:22] <hateball> hello hello
[06:22] <GeekyGirl36> Hay Hateball.


[02:14] <somekool> Love is in the air
[06:10] <abc_> anyone know a little about public key encryption?
[06:13] <Unit193> !gpg
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:41]  * lamogo says hi
[11:41] <owlman> Hi all! Just tried to install plasma 5 following the instructions to upgrade from 14.10 plasma 4. I'm getting some interesting artefacts displayed on the desktop. Just to confirm: I should choose sddm as the display manager during the upgrade?
[11:42] <soee> owlman: yes you can use sddm if you are not using optimus technology
[11:43] <soee> owlman: anyway you have upgraded to 15.04 or installing Plasma5 on 14.10 ?
[11:43] <owlman> The artefacts look a lot like the password entry text box and the user icons from light-dm
[11:43] <owlman> following instructions to install plasma 5 on 14.10. No upgrade to 15.04
[11:44] <owlman> optimus technology?
[11:46] <owlman> ah, nvidia. I'm using open source radeon driver
[11:50] <owlman> Interesting... Both lightdm and sddm are running
[11:52] <soee> yup both works
[11:52] <owlman> Shouldn't only one display manager be running at one time?
[11:52] <owlman> I have processes for both
[11:55] <soee> owlman: well try to remove lightdm than
[11:55] <soee> im on 15.04 so can't verify this
[11:56] <MoonUnit`> only have sddm running on mine.
[11:57] <owlman> yep. I was trying to reproduce my experiences with the first install. I'd like to help out with debugging plasma 5
[11:58] <owlman> I followed the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu to the letter, and somehow I end up with 2 display managers running.
[11:58] <owlman> Makes for a very confusing desktop ;)
[11:59] <owlman> and confused desktop
[12:06] <owlman> btw, first install (into a virtualbox vm) worked perfectly once I removed lightdm. Although dpkg-reconfigure sddm gave an error prior to removing lightdm
[12:07] <owlman> Think I'll try a fresh install of 14.10 into a new vm (was cloning my 14.10 plasma 4 vm) to test the upgrade from scratch
[12:13] <owlman> Ah,
[12:14] <soee> hm
[12:15] <owlman> error from dpkg-reconfigure on original vm is WARNING: /lib/systemd/system/sddm.service is the selected default display manager but does not exist
[12:16] <owlman> this file doesn't exist on the new vm either, however dpkg-reconfigure sddm isn't issuing the warning
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:38] <mzilikazi> fresh install of kubuntu 15.04 - kubuntu-driver-manager is installed but I can't seem to find it under System Settings Menu > “Driver Manager for Kubuntu”
[15:39] <mzilikazi> what am I missing?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> mzilikazi, run it in the terminal...it's missing from system settings til more packages are ready
[15:39] <lordievader> mzilikazi: Support for Vivid is in #ubuntu+1
[15:50] <mzilikazi> thanks BluesKaj
[15:50] <BluesKaj> mzilikazi, I tried it, but it doesn't work :(
[15:54] <mzilikazi> BluesKaj: well it ran and seems to have installed the driver - we'll see what happens now
[15:55] <BluesKaj> odd, mzilikazi the command doesn't launch the driver manager here
[16:21] <parsnip> How can I view my wifi passwords as a list, rather than via GUI?
[16:22] <parsnip> I tried looking in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/, but no dice.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> parsnip, how many wifi passwords do you need ?
[16:25] <parsnip> about a dozen
[16:25] <parsnip> they are for cafes
[16:25] <parsnip> schools, libraries etc
[16:26] <parsnip> friends' wifis
[16:26] <parsnip> everytime i play around with my install, i have to ask at every location again
[16:26] <parsnip> is there a command line view of wifi passwords? maybe i can grep.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> how about using kwallet for them , is that possible ?...I never use kwallet personally
[16:27] <BluesKaj> parsnip, sorry, no idea
[16:27] <parsnip> okay, thanks anyway
[16:27] <parsnip> i'll try that version of question at #bash or some such
[16:28] <BluesKaj> parsnip, or ##linux  maybe
[16:33] <parsnip> thanks, yeah that might be better
[16:37] <Nytram> Hi everyone, does anyone know how to fix my desktop icons please? They keep disapearing intermittantly. The only way to get them back so far is to switch from folder to default desktop then back again.
[17:02] <Nytram> I guess I'll try some of the more recent ones and see what happens. If it fails I can always try plasma. :P
[17:06] <Walex> Nytram: not enough details.
[17:20] <Nytram> Sorry Walex, if you scrolled up a bit (30 mins) you'd see my original question, but it's all good now. I'll live with it or install something else... yes, I really am that fickle. ;)
[18:09] <ShalokShalom> is there a way to automount my external devices and open dolphin in the specific place ?
[18:10] <ShalokShalom> i know the automount device plasmaoid, so just a solution for the dolphin thing is, for what i look ;)
[18:58] <robotdevil> anyone know if the network manager (wifi or eth) automatically connects after resuming from a s3 suspend ?
[18:58] <robotdevil> is fixed?
[19:28] <AleksejsHome> hi
[19:32] <AleksejsHome> problem with DR-BTN200 earphones: when I try to conect them, they mostly are connected in telephony duplex mode, which is the mode that applies some noise effect etc. Sometimes, when kubuntu has good mood, or when I sacrifice goat, earphones are connected in normal mode, and sound quality is normal. The problem is: I ran out of goats, I cannot sacrifice more to the god of Kubuntu. Is it possible to make it
[19:32] <AleksejsHome> work without magic, voodoo etc? I can't figure out the sequence, when it is connected in normal mode. Any advice?
[19:48] <Irish_Canon> im using Kubuntu 14.10 and Centos within Virtualbox I have a shared folder that I can see but cant access : I have uncommented the #wheel  ALL=(All) All line
[19:49] <Irish_Canon> then ran gpasswd -a user wheel
[19:52] <Irish_Canon> Any ideas why I would not be able to access the folder
[20:52] <other_guy> I'm seeing two weird issues with the 15.04 Alpha 2 release that existed in Alpha 1 as well, but don't occur in Plasma 5 on Fedora 21.
[20:53] <other_guy> First is anytime I'm in the appearance settings and I click on a "Get New....." button and it takes me to what should be a list of other window, cursor, toolkit, etc. themes. There's an error at the bottom of the window saying that the provider.xml couldn't be loaded.
[20:54] <other_guy> This works fine in Fedora 21 with the Plasma 5.2 Beta Copr repos enabled.  It seems like it's gotta just be a typo or something in a configuration someplace in Kubuntu, but I have no idea where to track it down.
[20:54] <other_guy> The second problem is when using the Breeze Dark theme.
[20:56] <other_guy> The panels properly get the theme applied, but the panel pop-ups (including launcher menu) keep their white background, but their fonts properly change to white, so you get this impossibly difficult to read white on white situation.
[20:57] <other_guy> Anybody have any ideas?
[21:22] <Nytram> Slow night for answers tonight.


[01:16] <mdke> --> bed
[01:16] <mdke> night
[07:26] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:39] <jsgotangco> froud: shalom
[07:39] <froud> jsgotangco: bokker tov
[07:40] <froud> African Greetings
[07:40] <jsgotangco> isn't that single S
[07:40] <jsgotangco> i mean K
[07:40] <froud> yes
[07:41] <jsgotangco> mah nismah?
[07:41] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:44] <sivang> shalom jsgotangco
[07:44] <sivang> :-)
[07:44] <sivang> froud: ma kore?
[07:46] <froud> sivang: oved kashe
[07:46] <sivang> froud: aye aye aye, misken :-)
[07:46] <sivang> froud: al ma?
[07:47] <froud> sivang: ani katav techni as ani oved kashe bishvil ha likahot
[07:47] <froud> ma la sot
[07:49] <sivang> jsgotangco: stopped it :-)
[07:49] <sivang> froud: well, if you have lots of work, it's good - where there a work there's a living.
[07:50] <froud> yeah customers are demanding though
[07:50] <froud> everything comes at the last minute
[07:50] <froud> we need it yesterday
[07:50] <jeffsch> hey froud: from the scrollback -- <froud> something in the CSS I think I dont get the same problem here
[07:51] <jeffsch> any hints as to what I should look for in the gnome css?
[07:51] <froud> no I did not lok at it
[07:52] <jeffsch> ok. i will look into it on fri or sat
[07:55] <froud> k
[08:09] <jsgotangco> hey jeffsch im almost done with my styleguide section (international.xml) i'll commit the full draft later
[09:24] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you look at the equivalent section on the gnome styleguide for international.xml? its good!
[09:24] <mdke> (morning all)
[09:26] <jsgotangco> mdke: of course
[09:29] <mdke> nice
[09:29] <mdke> i'm a big fan of copying stuff that's already been done well...
[09:29] <mdke> on the userguide I've been copying stuff from all over the place ;)
[09:45] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:51] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[12:51] <jsgotangco> oh we have a meeting later btw
[12:51] <jsgotangco> see you then
[02:12] <k31th> Yo!
[05:50] <mdke> hi apokryphos, rob^, enrico
[05:51] <rob^> hey
[05:51] <apokryphos> hi :)
[05:51] <rob^> meeting in about 6 hrs?
[05:51] <enrico> hi
[05:52] <apokryphos> mdke: any idea who the anti-ubuguide wiki fanatic is? ;-)
[05:52] <rob^> apokryphos, what are you refering to?
[05:53] <apokryphos> rob^: someone who keeps putting in that "All information on Ubuntuguide.org is present on the wiki in clearer and expanded form."
[05:53] <rob^> oh
[05:54] <rob^> well I guess they should be using the wiki before using ubuguide
[05:55] <apokryphos> Agreed. I'll be one of the first to echo the distress that people feel toward Ubuntuguide, but we shouldn't have to lie to get people to use the Wiki 8)
[05:55] <rob^> hehe
[05:57] <rob^> is there a link?
[05:57] <apokryphos> Heh, where's ubotu when you need him ;-).
[05:57] <apokryphos> http://kudos.berlios.de
[05:58] <rob^> well seeing as the faq guide is profiled for both ubuntu and kubuntu, there is no reason why we couldnt add the info from KUDOS
[05:59] <apokryphos> Sure
[05:59] <rob^> as it is we dont have much kde stuff in they yet anyway
[05:59] <apokryphos> rob^: froud still the only dedicated kubuntu doccer?
[05:59] <rob^> I think so
[06:00] <apokryphos> Not doing any real KDE documentation at the moment, so I could probably help :)
[06:00] <rob^> I used to be a KDE doccer, but I haven't used KDE in a long time..
[06:00] <apokryphos> Did some Kubuntu documentation for Kynaptic, but had other complications in life then, so didn't do too much..
[06:01] <apokryphos> rob^: always time to come back to the light ;-)
[06:01] <rob^> heh
[06:01] <rob^> I like gnome too much..
[06:01] <apokryphos> :)
[06:02] <rob^> well its 2 am here, meetings at 8am..
[06:02] <rob^> I hope I get up :)
[06:03] <apokryphos> rob^: set KAlarm :P
[06:03] <rob^> I have BABYalarm :)
[06:04] <rob^> works a treat
[06:04] <apokryphos> cool
[06:04] <rob^> I didnt think there was a noise more annoying then an alarm clock, until I had kids
[06:05] <rob^> just having a squiz at kudos, there is some good general stuff in there we could use
[06:05] <apokryphos> rob^: yeah, definitely. The guy has very ambitious plans for it
[06:05] <rob^> what like?
[06:06] <apokryphos> rob^: unfortunately he's not doing anything for a few weeks because of very serious events in his life :(
[06:06] <apokryphos> rob^: full explanations on all the answers, buildscripts for many things etc. etc.
[06:06] <rob^> why does he not just contribute to the docteam with it?
[06:06] <apokryphos> rob^: bigger plans, I guess :)
[06:07] <rob^> its GFDL anyway
[06:08] <apokryphos> > The thing is, my ultimate focus is on helping with the propagation of Linux among the grand masses. Kubuntu is not an end itself, but a means I've chosen as the platform for this goal. As such, I want to provide an answer for the skill and interest scope of the grand masses (i.e. for people who needs almost every desktop functionality with next to no under-the-hood knowledge). IIRC there are more than 700 million desktop users (accordin
[06:08] <apokryphos> prepare a solution that, together with Kubuntu, would appeal to at least 100M of them so much so that they would possibly consider switching from Windows to Linux. Even if I can't succeed, may be I can serve as a "proof of concept" so that more capable ones develop really good solutions for the grand masses.
[06:08] <apokryphos> Heh, pretty long it looks there... that's a quote
[06:10] <rob^> yeah
[06:11] <rob^> but like I said, why not get it included in some form or other in the official documentation?
[06:11] <rob^> hes not making money off it.
[06:12] <apokryphos> rob^: I don't think that's an issue for him
[06:13] <rob^> yeah thats right
[06:13] <rob^> ah it doesnt matter
[06:15] <rob^> I had better get some sleep.
[06:15] <rob^> night
[06:16] <apokryphos> 'night
[06:18] <froud> apokryphos: if you would like to contribute to Kubuntu-docs start here http://lnix/~froud
[06:19] <apokryphos> froud: unknown host
[06:20] <froud> http://lnix.net/~froud/
[06:20] <froud> kubuntu-docs-5.10-0.X_all is uploaded to nightly build system once a week
[06:21] <froud> I update the web site whenever there are changes in the src
[06:21] <froud> gen 1 a day
[06:23] <apokryphos> froud: wow, a lot of great stuff there
[06:24] <apokryphos> froud: why isn't that stuff on kubuntu.org?
[06:31] <apokryphos> Seems like a shame actually that we have two people both writing such similar stuff and not working together; lot of stuff mentioned in both docs
[06:32] <mdke> hi all
[06:32] <mdke> apokryphos, i made a /talk page for discussions of that page on the wiki
[06:33] <apokryphos> mdke: yeah, dropped a comment instead of going round in circles
[06:33] <froud> It will be in time
[06:34] <mdke> apokryphos, cool
[06:34] <apokryphos> froud: any part you'd recommend me look at/take-a-wack-at-writing-for specifically? :)
[06:35] <froud> no there is so much anyone can do, see the K User Guide status report
[06:35] <froud> Attention should go on the Kuserguide
[06:36] <apokryphos> froud: what's the methodology with i.e. documentation on kicker or other apps etc? Written to supplement the KDE Docs?
[06:38] <froud> apokryphos: good question. http://lnix.net/~froud/kuserguide/C/pr01s05.html
[06:38] <apokryphos> or a briefer overview?
[06:38] <mdke> apokryphos, by the way you may be able to talk to Seveas about the NewUsersNetworkGuidelines page, I believe he is involved in the project
[06:39] <apokryphos> mdke: heh, yeah, I know he's a strong aficionado of anti-ubuntuguidism
[06:40] <mdke> i don't know about that
[06:40] <apokryphos> I just recall him being among the first telling people not to use it. I think he contacted the author himself; not entirely sure.
[06:41] <apokryphos> froud: so the aim is to be Kubuntu based, right?
[06:41] <mdke> apokryphos, i don't want to get into that discussion (OT) but I was just pointing you to him because he is involved with the NewUsersNetwork project
[06:41] <froud> yes
[06:41] <apokryphos> froud: kubuntu-default-settings doesn't alter KDE that much, so there wouldn't be too much to write on just that..
[06:41] <apokryphos> mdke: sure, thanks.
[06:42] <froud> kde-settings changes much
[06:43] <apokryphos> froud: breezy?
[06:43] <apokryphos> I actually think it would be a bad idea to deviate too much from KDE itself...
[06:43] <froud> yes see http://lnix.net/~froud/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html
[06:43] <apokryphos> people come to Kubuntu because it attempts to be *the* KDe distro
[06:45] <apokryphos> froud: that would change kcontrol a lot clearly, but not so much kate/kicker etc.
[06:45] <apokryphos> froud: sorry, I don't mean to press, just wandering here
[06:45] <venda> no good questions
[06:45] <mdke> heh
[06:45] <venda> very good
[06:45] <jjesse> looking at the screen shots i like the system settings a lot better then kcontrol settings
[06:46] <apokryphos> looks a lot like a few suggestions that have been put forward on kdelook
[06:46] <venda> apokryphos: see http://www.lnix.net/~froud/#devnotes
[06:47] <venda> apokryphos: can't say they are definitive, but I have tried to gather from Riddell what will be changing
[06:47] <venda> kicker etc remains much the same
[06:47] <venda> perhaps a system menu
[06:47] <apokryphos> venda: cool, thanks -- a little there, that's good :)
[06:48] <venda> apokryphos: venda = froud
[06:48] <apokryphos> Is there no estimated time for release for Kapture? Are we gonna have time to go that way? :P
[06:48] <venda> apokryphos: no idea
[06:48] <apokryphos> venda: oh; thought there were two kubuntu doccers for a sec ;-)
[06:48] <venda> I have not heard any news
[06:48] <venda> I comment in the status reports
[06:49] <apokryphos> right
[06:49] <venda> things not sure of or know will change etc
[06:49] <venda> much in kubuntu is in flux
[06:49] <apokryphos> venda: I think I'll read a bit more to pick up the style then maybe go for some stuff on the ug
[06:49] <apokryphos> venda: it's worth noting that my docbook skills are a little primitive, so you may have to bear with me a little at first =)
[06:49] <venda> sure, ideas etc all welcome
[06:50] <venda> no worries
[06:50] <apokryphos> I'll likely start later on today, thanks! :)
[06:50] <venda> if you can checkout from svn, hack, patch it will be good
[06:51] <apokryphos> venda: have some generla knowledge with svn, yup. I'll read up if I can't do any, no problem.
[06:51] <venda> k
[06:51] <mdke> apokryphos, there is a cool step by step guide on the wiki in the Docteam area
[06:52] <mdke> actually
[06:52] <mdke> where the hell is it
[06:52] <venda> apokryphos: while writing, take into consideration that we have a drop of upstream in the repos
[06:52] <venda> this means we can make selective use of docs from KDE
[06:52] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[06:53] <mdke> ah there it is
[06:53] <venda> pls bring back for the hasty to the home page of the docteam
[06:54] <jjesse> quick question, i'm reloading kubuntu on my laptop this weekend, do i stay with hoary release or go to breezy?
[06:54] <jjesse> i know that was off topic
[06:55] <venda> jjesse: stay hoary and update to kde 3.4.1
[06:55] <jjesse> venda thanks will do
[06:55] <venda> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[06:56] <venda> breezy is wonky right now
[06:56] <venda> better use it under qemu
[06:56] <venda> one minute stuff works and next is does not
[07:29] <mgalvin> has there been any word on commit access for rob^, myself, and the others who have been submitting patches lately
[07:30] <venda> I did ping mdz
[08:31] <abelli> ciao
[08:35] <mdke> ciao abelli
[12:03] <rob^> the meeting is at 2200z right?
[12:03] <judax> I was just going to ask that, I have 2203UTC
[12:03] <rob^> ditto
[12:04] <judax> mdke: ping
[12:04] <mdke> argh
[12:04] <mdke> good point
[12:04] <rob^> :)
[12:04] <judax> hehe
[12:05] <rob^> o.O


[07:44] <wenjianhn> Need help
[07:44] <wenjianhn> Where is the code that generates /var/lib/cloud/instances/nocloud/datasource in a lxc instance?
[07:45] <wenjianhn> which file, which line in juju 0.7
[15:17] <jpds> Guys, what happened to https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-openstack.html ?
[15:29] <pavelpachkovskij> looks like they released all new documentation and previous is available only in google cache :)
[16:56] <FunnyLookinHat> marcoceppi, ping ?
[17:21] <jcastro> jpds: old links shouldn't be broken
[17:21] <jcastro> let me check it out
[17:24] <jcastro> jpds: https://juju.ubuntu.com/get-started/openstack/ for now please!
[17:24] <jcastro> I'll work a page on it now
[17:33] <jcastro> evilnickveitch: added an openstack section, MP submitted
[17:34] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, cool, will look at it right away.
[17:38] <evilnickveitch> jcastro - hmmm, don't see that one - where is it?
[17:41] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~jorge/juju/add-openstack
[17:43] <jcastro> arosales: http://jujucharms.com/review-queue
[17:43] <jcastro> confirmed, docs submissions end up in the queue
[17:46] <arosales> jcastro, perfect
[17:46] <arosales> and that is just targeting the bug at the doc series correct jcastro ?
[17:48] <evilnickveitch> jcastro - you named the branch wrong
[17:49] <evilnickveitch> should MP into lp:juju-core/docs
[17:49] <jcastro> ah crap
[17:49] <jcastro> right, I can fix that
[17:49] <evilnickveitch> do it!
[17:50] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~jorge/juju-core/add-openstack/+merge/171874
[17:50] <jcastro> sorry about that!
[17:56] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, it's okay, just was a bit puzzling. I have also updated the navigation to reflect the new page
[17:57] <jcastro> evilnickveitch: I'm just used to submitting to juju and not juju-core
[17:57] <jcastro> bad habit. :)
[17:57] <evilnickveitch> not the only one I'm sure :)
[18:44] <jpds> jcastro: Well, it's referred from the main doc page...
[18:45] <jpds> jcastro: Though I see that's been updated.
[18:45]  * jpds scrolls up.
[18:50] <jcastro> yeah busted cron, all fixed jpds
[19:04] <carif> jcastro, just got some email about lp:juju/docs, did you stop using rst and format in html5 directly?
[19:04] <carif> just curious
[19:07] <carif> nm, just looked at the sources in lp, dumb question
[19:22] <matsubara> hi there, is there a alternative in juju-core for juju debug-hooks?
[19:27] <jcastro> carif: yep, all html5
[19:27] <jcastro> carif: nick will announce it on the list tomorrow.
[19:27] <jcastro> carif: we've got inlined videos and stuff too now, it's nice.
[19:27] <jcastro> no more building docs, etc.
[19:33] <carif> jcastro, interesting, looks like lots of .rst files in bzr, did I look in the wrong place?
[19:34] <carif> jcastro, so do you author in .html directly?
[19:34] <jcastro> it's in juju-core/docs, not the old place
[19:35] <jcastro> yeah so nick made templates in html, we just use normal html
[19:35] <carif> jcastro, vg, i looked in the old place
[19:35] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/contributing.html
[19:36] <carif> jcastro, interesting, ty
[21:28] <FunnyLookinHat> marcoceppi, ping ?


[02:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you around?  I was about to generate a new tarball for Thunderbird 3.1.5 since build2 was spun
[02:28] <micahg> actually build3
[11:08] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i didn't do build 2 because it only had a single change for the mac version, and i'd already delayed the opening of natty with the firefox build
[11:08] <chrisccoulson> i didn't look at what build 3 changed though
[17:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: build2 actually added a listing of shipped-locales
[17:07] <micahg> as well as the mac change
[17:07] <micahg> build3 seems to just be the version bump
[17:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: does this look like it needs to be fixed in cairo or thunderbird: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/514787/
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - is that on natty?
[17:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - have the whole build log?
[17:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sure, give me a few minutes
[17:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: email ok?
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that's ok
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, that's a thunderbird bug
[18:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so I need to patch the build system to add -lpixman-1, or should we be getting it from the .pc file?
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it needs to come from the pkg-config file
[18:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so I need to add somewhere pkg-config --libs pixman-1?
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah
[18:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> i guess we'd need to add a PIXMAN_LIBS to the build system and populate it when the toolkit is cairo-gtk2
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> nsWindow.cpp uses that symbol directly
[18:11] <bdrung> micahg: we have eclipse in git - we take care of the merge
[18:11] <micahg> bdrung: it should be a straight sync once 3.5.2-8 gets uploaded I think
[18:11] <bdrung> micahg: it will :)
[18:55] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[19:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've recreated the firefox build hang issue now btw
[19:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: cool
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> still not sure what's happening though, firefox hangs long before it enters main()
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> it hangs in the first call to malloc(), by the libselinux constructor
[19:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is it trying to allocate too much memory?
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> 300-odd bytes ;)
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> it's recursively locking a mutex
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> although, i'm not sure that's strictly true. it looks like the mutex is pointing to a load of garbage in memory before it tries to lock it
[19:39] <micahg> sounds like it'
[19:39] <micahg> s trying to use an uninitialized pointer
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> (gdb) print arena->lock.__data.__owner
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> $25 = -207291728
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> looks suspicious to me ;)
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> (gdb) print arena->lock.__data.__nusers
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> $26 =<PHONE_NUMBER>
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> should be zero ;)
[21:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I patched the build system for pixman, running a test build now
[21:41] <BUGabundo> fta:
[21:41] <BUGabundo>   PID MINFLT MAJFLT      VSTEXT  VSIZE  RSIZE  VGROW  RGROW  MEM CMD     1/4
[21:41] <BUGabundo> 25926     38      6      48656K   1.1G 373.1M     0K   160K   9% chromium-brows
[21:41] <BUGabundo> 30302      0      0        500K 589.5M 317.9M     0K    -8K   8% eog
[21:41] <BUGabundo>  2927   4841      3      48656K   1.0G 286.4M     0K  1268K   7% chromium-brows
[21:41] <BUGabundo> 10956    145     11      48656K   1.1G 264.7M     0K   440K   7% chromium-brows
[21:41] <BUGabundo>  1525    389     18         35K 864.1M 213.8M     0K  1232K   5% java
[21:44] <fta> BUGabundo, bad
[21:45] <fta>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[21:45] <fta>  1517 fta       20   0  134m  31m  19m S    3  1.0   0:44.65 chromium-browse
[21:45] <fta> 20496 fta       20   0  132m  24m 8296 S    2  0.7   1:41.11 chromium-browse
[21:45] <fta> 20499 fta       20   0  128m  22m 7800 S    2  0.7   1:31.58 chromium-browse
[21:45] <fta>  1152 fta       25   5  167m  39m  14m S    2  1.2   0:51.16 chromium-browse
[21:45] <fta>  1589 fta       20   0  132m  30m  15m S    2  0.9   0:02.69 chromium-browse
[21:45] <fta>   992 root      20   0  206m  97m  16m S    1  3.0 393:51.22 Xorg
[21:45] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^
[21:45] <BUGabundo> you wine
[21:45] <BUGabundo> *win
[21:46] <BUGabundo> MEM | tot    3.9G | free  100.5M | cache 398.7M | buff    0.1M | slab   74.1M |
[21:46] <BUGabundo> I'm out of RAM
[21:46] <BUGabundo> no swap
[21:47] <micahg> BUGabundo: bug in natty
[21:47] <micahg> ?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> fta: could the extra RAM usage be coming from running in gdb?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> no idea
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I'm uploading oer 1GB of photos *IN* the browser
[21:49] <fta> BUGabundo, well, why run it in gdb in the long run?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fta: cause it crashes daily
[21:49] <BUGabundo> so I can capture the crash and report