[14:28]  * chilicuil prepares himself a coffee
[14:56] <balloons> for anyone who wants to join the sesssion, please speak up for an invite
[14:57] <elfy> shouldn't the youtube thing work anyway?
[14:57] <chilicuil> I'd like balloons
[14:58] <balloons> elfy, you can certainly watch and use IRC.. but if your going to be talking a lot, hop into the video hangout :-)
[14:58] <elfy> I'll not be talking at all ;)
[14:58] <elfy> no mike :)
[14:59] <balloons> ahh
[15:01] <balloons> for anyone who wants to join the sesssion, please speak up for an invite
[15:04] <Yorvyk> I'd like an invite
[15:04] <balloons> sure thing Yorvyk
[15:06] <balloons> can everyone see the hangout?
[15:06] <SergioMeneses> balloons, no
[15:06] <daker_> yep
[15:06] <daker_> SergioMeneses:refresh
[15:06] <SergioMeneses> yes!!!
[15:07] <elfy> nope
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> I did thanks daker_
[15:07] <elfy> so did I
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> phillw, are you the penguin?
[15:07] <balloons> thanks guys :-)
[15:07] <balloons> gilir= pengiun = Julien
[15:08] <elfy> zip nada nothing here at all
[15:09] <chilicuil> I've seen some mail in the qa ml about something like a plan to introduce xp users to lubuntu, is this something official?
[15:09] <chilicuil> if it's I think it could be a good idea to try to organizate how it's gonna be done, to me it sounds like a good idea
[15:09] <elfy> that's cos I' not even at the right time - you can ignore me lol
[15:10] <balloons> elfy, lol.. did you figure everything out?
[15:10] <elfy> I'm cool - got a mental disconnect going between UTC and BST :D
[15:38] <chilicuil> and what about other browsers, such as midori?
[15:41] <chilicuil> understandable
[16:00] <jcastro> gema: heya, this is our irc
[16:03] <zyga> plars-vuds: hi
[16:05] <zyga> hey
[16:05] <zyga> I'd love to join
[16:05] <zyga> plars-vuds: ^^
[16:09] <zyga> thanks
[16:26] <josepht_uds> I think the key is having utah handle running tests on the images
[16:27] <gema> josepht_uds: that's what we are trying to agree on how to do
[16:27] <gema> josepht_uds: why don't you join?
[16:27] <josepht_uds> gema: I have to run in a few minutes
[16:29] <gema> josepht_uds: ok
[16:51] <gema> 10 minutes to go
[16:57] <zyga> thanks, I learned a few interesting things just now
[17:01] <MarkDude> Community \o
[17:18] <bkerensa> jono_: where is the hangout link?
[17:18] <bkerensa> valorie: yeah but idk how to pull the trigger on this
[17:18] <bkerensa> :)
[17:18] <valorie> ok
[17:19] <bkerensa> cjohnston: hangout?
[17:19] <bkerensa> hmm
[17:19] <bkerensa> I guess I have to set it up myself maybe
[17:19] <valorie> the bot doesn't seem to know that we have a session scheduled
[17:19] <bkerensa> yeah
[17:19] <bkerensa> idk
[17:20] <jono_> bkerensa, session isnt for an hour yet
[17:20] <bkerensa> oh
[17:20] <valorie> what?
[17:20] <jono_> look at the time
[17:20] <jono_> it is not 6pm UTC yet
[17:20] <jono_> 18:05 - 19:00 UTC
[17:20] <jono_> now it is 5:20 PM
[17:20] <bkerensa> valorie: heh you worried me I was late to my session
[17:21] <bkerensa> :)
[17:21] <jono_> :-)
[17:21] <elfy> I've been doing that all afternoon
[17:21] <bkerensa> elfy: its so early
[17:21] <bkerensa> I should be sleeping
[17:21] <jcastro> I woke up an hour early if it makes you feel better
[17:21] <elfy> and got really worried when I heard wolverhampton mentioned
[17:21] <jcastro> I should have been sleeping
[17:22] <valorie> damn it
[17:23] <valorie> ok, back in a bit then
[17:39] <bkerensa> valorie: do you know what time the session is specifically?
[17:39] <bkerensa> valorie: I just had family arrive
[17:39] <bkerensa> and I do think the issue is mostly resolved now
[17:41] <MarkDude> UTC equals fun confusion at times :D
[17:42]  * MarkDude agrees. Has made clear on other bug its closed also
[17:45] <bkerensa> okie dokie
[17:55] <bkerensa> woah see
[17:55] <bkerensa> we do have a community
[17:55] <bkerensa> :)
[17:56] <bkerensa> we will be starting momentarily folks
[17:57] <JoseeAntonioR> who's hosting this one?
[17:57] <bkerensa> Me
[17:57] <bkerensa> jono_ is making the hangout
[17:57] <jono_> it starts in 8mins
[17:57] <bkerensa> oh yeah indeed
[17:57]  * bkerensa slaps udsbotu
[17:59] <elfy> bkerensa: so is anyone from the webteam going to be present?
[17:59] <bkerensa> elfy: yes
[17:59] <elfy> thanks
[18:00] <bkerensa> elfy: and Jono will be there representing Canonical Community Team too
[18:01]  * MarkDude is on irc, figures it makes sense to let the Community folks handle the Hangout
[18:01] <elfy> who's MarkDude then :)
[18:01] <philipballew> Id like to join the hangout
[18:01] <MarkDude> \o
[18:01] <MarkDude> philipballew: 's voice would be better to hear anyway
[18:01]  * pleia2 waves
[18:02] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, everyone
[18:02] <MarkDude> hangout link (to watch)?
[18:02]  * philipballew sings softly to MarkDude
[18:02] <elfy> yea - but I'm elfy from the Forum Council - is MarkDude just some guy from a Douglas Adam's book or someone from the webteam :)
[18:02] <philipballew> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21740/community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning/
[18:02] <philipballew> MarkDude, ^
[18:02]  * MarkDude is from another Universe
[18:02] <MarkDude> Here as community :)
[18:02] <elfy> bkerensa: so who is here from the webteam
[18:03] <bkerensa> elfy: Peter Mahnke will be
[18:03] <elfy> ta
[18:03] <bkerensa> he should be in the hangout
[18:04] <bkerensa> there he is now
[18:04] <bkerensa> so peterm-ubuntu is on the Canonical Design Team
[18:04] <elfy> and I assume this session is just about the webpage and not the canonical/community fractures
[18:04] <JoseeAntonioR> exactly
[18:04] <elfy> yep - thanks bkerensa
[18:04] <peterm-ubuntu> hi bkerensa is there a ghangout?
[18:04] <bkerensa> peterm-ubuntu: jono_  is setting it up for us
[18:05] <hggdh> Coming in Real Soon Now :-)
[18:05] <valorie> o/
[18:05] <peterm-ubuntu> cool… bkerensa  I am here with Alejandra as well
[18:05] <elfy> so there's nowhere at this uds about the real issue - the not letting people know what's going on until it's too late and people shout out
[18:06] <MarkDude> elfy: +1
[18:06] <philipballew> the elephant in the room. ^
[18:06] <JoseeAntonioR> elfy: the topic may pop-up anyways
[18:06] <MarkDude> But this session is design oriented :)
[18:07] <elfy> I'm about - but camera and mic less :)
[18:07] <cjohnston> howdy
[18:08]  * philipballew awaits hangout invite
[18:08] <MarkDude> philipballew: needs invite
[18:08] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to be part of the hangout?
[18:08] <MarkDude> Pingy
[18:08] <MarkDude> :)
[18:08] <dholbach> MarkDude, yes yes yes
[18:08] <MarkDude> Not me
[18:08] <dholbach> I passed on the link already - it sometimes just take a while for folks to sign in
[18:08] <dholbach> :)
[18:08] <philipballew> dholbach, yes, and if there is room, MarkDude should join
[18:09] <MarkDude> FAir enough.
[18:09] <elfy> dholbach: thanks for inviting me
[18:09] <cjohnston> someone is watching and on air
[18:09] <dholbach> philipballew, looks like MarkDude didn't want to
[18:09]  * MarkDude thinks this being Design stuff
[18:09] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21706/community-1305-community-website-revamp/
[18:09] <MarkDude> And as to general issue of fracture, I see the dialog being strong, and am willing to bet things are gonna SMOOTH a bit.
[18:09] <pleia2> cjohnston: it's paused for me, is there an external link to the etherpad so when I load the page it doesn't go all nuts? :)
[18:09] <MarkDude> Thats another time tho
[18:10] <JoseeAntonioR> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning
[18:10] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: ^
[18:10] <pleia2> ty
[18:10] <MarkDude> +1
[18:10] <jcastro> can someone paste the link in irc?
[18:10]  * MarkDude is ALSO willing to bet METRICS will be great on this, not too worried
[18:11] <MarkDude> The Community's <click links> look safe in long run, IMHO
[18:13] <valorie> my question is still why communication was lacking?
[18:13] <elfy> indeed
[18:13] <elfy> that's nothing new - comes up with boring regularity
[18:13] <valorie> "won'tfix" on the bug was very passive-aggressive
[18:14] <czajkowski> valorie: indeed, but it should be noted that wasn't that design teams doing
[18:14] <valorie> it stirred the FUD
[18:14] <MarkDude> czajkowski: +1
[18:15] <elfy> czajkowski: people can see exactly who marked it
[18:15] <czajkowski> valorie: indeed but I don't think we can can blame the design team for this tbh
[18:15]  * MarkDude took exception to team being blamed.
[18:15] <valorie> well, I'm not about blame, I'm about improving the process
[18:15]  * MarkDude is always aware of Design folks being caught in middle or pretty much EVERYTHING :)
[18:15] <hggdh> still. As the hangout is trying to stress, communication (and consequent perception) is a critical thingy to keep in mind
[18:15] <MarkDude> The Design team
[18:16] <MarkDude> Communication +1
[18:16] <elfy> hggdh: agreed
[18:16] <MarkDude> As a person that has said he was concerned about dialog for last few years. I feel a few things have changed
[18:16] <MarkDude> hggdh: agreed
[18:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: +1  yes
[18:17]  * MarkDude feels its gonna get better
[18:17] <hggdh> jcastro: state it again. And again. And again. memory is short, and we cannot depend on it. Even though I do remember - -now -- the Brussels discussions, I had already forgotten about them
[18:17] <valorie> the design team isn't on planet, correct?
[18:17] <jcastro> "let's fix community.ubuntu.com" has been the recurring thing we haven't been able to fix for as long as I can remember
[18:18] <cjohnston> Nothing stops any community member from blogging about this too.
[18:18] <valorie> that should be fixed, IMO
[18:18] <elfy> hggdh: this is the thing - if there's been some sort of 'we discussed this sometime ago, now we're ready to do something - so this will be happening' makes life easier for everyone
[18:18] <bkerensa> Any questions or feedback from IRC?
[18:18] <MarkDude> Or FOSS in general :) blogging that is
[18:18] <valorie> please put the design team on planet
[18:18] <hggdh> bkerensa: ^
[18:18] <bkerensa> valorie: they are
[18:18] <pleia2> valorie: theya re on planet
[18:19] <bkerensa> but they didnt announce the plan to take down the link
[18:19] <valorie> ok, I've missed that then
[18:19] <bkerensa> until the day after they did the spring clean
[18:19] <valorie> ok
[18:19]  * popey typed a question in the comments section of etherpad.
[18:19] <bkerensa> and the community.u.c site well its been something that apparently was discussed over years
[18:19] <bkerensa> so
[18:19] <bkerensa> there was disconnect as to whether the spring clean was related to the link removal
[18:19] <bkerensa> especially with the delay in the blog post
[18:20] <czajkowski> peter +1
[18:20] <MarkDude> PERCEPTION by folks may be broke. I DONT think the processes are ALL broke inside of Ubuntu/Canonical.
[18:20]  * MarkDude has seen quite a few things improve
[18:20] <popey> GIANT +!
[18:20] <popey> +1
[18:20] <popey> Too quickly people assume canonical are out to screw the community.
[18:20] <cjohnston> +1
[18:20] <czajkowski> popey: +1 it's so disheartening tbh
[18:20] <MarkDude> popey: +1
[18:20] <popey> People think we're deliberately messing things up just to mess with people
[18:20] <MarkDude> They are NOT
[18:21] <valorie> well, announcing what is happening nips that in the bud
[18:21] <hggdh> it has been getting better -- although I am a bit biased. But we still lack a bit more of  proactive announcements
[18:21] <popey> and we've been around for _years_ yet every single damn time this happens, people jump on us with the blog posts, the bitchy bug reports, the stupid videos.
[18:21] <valorie> people always do that, so plan ahead to circumvent it
[18:21] <popey> It's _incredibly_ depressing for those of us working at Canonical who actually _care_ (which FWIW is all of us)
[18:21] <philipballew> what we do not want to assume that community members  can just see a "problem" Canonical did, and be quick to judge without finding out what might really be the issue. the problem is we as community members have a disconnect to talk to canonical people.
[18:22]  * MarkDude thinks there is a disparity between results being ok most the time, and   some not being able to see it
[18:22] <popey> There's certainly occasions where we (canonical) just don't expect the flak - like when shopping lens came out - we really were surprised at the negative feedback.
[18:22] <cjohnston> philipballew: Ben asked questions on two different places and was answered both times.. before the bug was filed. where is the disconnect?
[18:22] <elfy> popey: you're not the only ones who care - but try seeing the picture from this side - you might all be constantly talkign about things - but if it stays that side - then the first thing people see is stuff like community suddenly disappearing :)
[18:23] <hggdh> popey: we *know* there will be complaints (and, this time, I was one of them). So what we could do is been more proactive about announcing it (as valorie suggests)
[18:23] <valorie> "surprise!" is almost always seen badly
[18:23] <popey> elfy: but people could talk to us, but they don't, they just jump right on blog posts, bugs, social complaining
[18:23] <valorie> geeks don't like surprises
[18:23] <elfy> indeed valorie
[18:23] <popey> rather than _talking_
[18:23] <MarkDude> EXAMPLE: I was given help by Canonical folks , as well as many other offers of help for making bug for this- as well as open process for Blueprints
[18:23] <philipballew> cjohnston, the problem is there is a difference between Canonical and Ubuntu community and that should not be.
[18:23] <philipballew> We should not have people labeled as "community" or "Canonical", just label everyone as "people who help make Ubuntu"
[18:24] <elfy> philipballew: +1 to that
[18:24]  * MarkDude made point about SURPRISES- a few understood, most were unhappy at no warnings ;)
[18:24]  * JoseeAntonioR waves
[18:24] <popey> I have seen people inside Canonical say they actually don't want to talk to the community because they're afraid of the InstaFlak which comes with it. Which shouldn't be the case.
[18:24] <MarkDude> philipballew: +1
[18:24] <hggdh> jono_: +1 -- there is no "Canonical" and "Community" as different groups. We are all in this together
[18:24] <MarkDude> +1 on common themes
[18:24] <valorie> think of it like good parenting
[18:24] <elfy> popey: and I +1 that
[18:24] <valorie> warn the kids well in advance
[18:24] <jcastro> hmm, forgot to blame cjohnston during the hangout
[18:25] <MarkDude> Hang in there folks, I STILL say there was a disconnect. water under the bridge
[18:25] <cjohnston> go for it
[18:25] <jono_> always cjohnston's fault
[18:25] <elfy> it was subliminal jcastro
[18:25] <popey> question in teh etherpad!
[18:25] <jono_> THAT GUY BRINGS NOTHING
[18:25] <jono_> lol
[18:25] <popey> jono_: bkerensa
[18:25] <MarkDude> Dialog is good
[18:25] <cjohnston> jcastro: jono_ questions in etherpad
[18:25] <popey> jono_: see Comments:
[18:25] <hggdh> jcastro: nowadays, it is always cjohnston (cannot blame me anymore :-)
[18:25]  * MarkDude made SURE cjohnston was not blamed
[18:25] <asomething> there's a session tomorrow right? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21706/community-1305-community-website-revamp/
[18:25] <MarkDude> At least by me
[18:25] <jcastro> looking
[18:25] <MarkDude> Need to clarify Jono and jcastro helpful too
[18:25] <popey> ☹
[18:25] <dholbach> asomething, yes - that's about the actual site itself
[18:25] <elfy> asomething: yea - more about the page itslef
[18:26] <elfy> snap :)
[18:26] <bkerensa> valorie: I agree with jono_ its hard to be aware of everything going on... I do not see this as a lets dogpile Canonical but more along the lines of just the Community being passionate about the project they are contributing to and due to the lack of being able to be aware of "all the things" we are very vigilant in defending community
[18:26] <MarkDude> Tnx. and lets write some things about *making bridges *
[18:26] <dholbach> and hey asomething! good to see you again! :)
[18:26] <jono_> who left that comment?
[18:26] <bkerensa> asomething: yea
[18:26] <popey> jono_: me
[18:26] <jono_> popey, well volunteered :-)
[18:26] <elfy> popey: I'd assume that would be tomorrow too
[18:26] <popey> jono_: saw that coming
[18:26] <popey> ☻
[18:26] <jono_> :-)
[18:26] <valorie> I'm not targeting "canonical" -- but anyone who is considering making big changes
[18:27] <valorie> announce well in advance, and you get buyin rather than FUD
[18:27] <bkerensa> should let the community know somehow
[18:27] <bkerensa> valorie: +1
[18:27] <valorie> that includes community people too
[18:27] <hggdh> valorie: correct. That's pretty much all there is to be done
[18:27] <valorie> all teh teams
[18:27] <valorie> :-)
[18:27] <dholbach> I think that's very very hard to do
[18:27] <bkerensa> valorie: indeed  I think Community is just as responsible for ensuring we announce changes
[18:28] <bkerensa> this car has more than one driver
[18:28] <valorie> naturally, or we'd all do it more
[18:28] <dholbach> and that's something worth thinking very hard about - if ALL THE TEAMS announce everything all the time, we'd drown in information
[18:28] <dholbach> which wouldn't help solve the problem
[18:28] <dholbach> we have weekly team reports on the mailing lists by some team - who reads all the details in there?
[18:28]  * valorie is already drowning, nothing new there
[18:28] <cjohnston> and more time would be spent writing announcements than doing work
[18:28] <MarkDude> Simple suggestion- if there are metrics- or maybe hurt feelings involved ASK
[18:29] <dholbach> it's easy to ask for more info and more transparency
[18:29] <bkerensa><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:29] <MarkDude> Some folks feelings were hurt by this
[18:29] <dholbach> but you have to be careful about how to do it
[18:29] <MarkDude> True
[18:29] <MarkDude> TOSW has some good suggestions
[18:29] <dholbach> I'd love for us to have a great overview over what's going on all across the project :)
[18:29] <elfy> no-one should expect minutia
[18:29] <dholbach> but one that'd digestable somehow :)
[18:29] <valorie> right
[18:29] <MarkDude> And wants some of the great Ubuntu examples of openness-
[18:30] <hggdh> dholbach: how about setting a place on the web, split by area-of-interest, where links to teams' announcements are put? Like a "central" information booth
[18:30] <MarkDude> Tnx for the session folks :)
[18:30] <valorie> yes, thanks to all who participated
[18:31] <elfy> dholbach: this community website thing - could have been really positive  community issue if it didn't feel like we're trying to catch back what got thrown away
[18:31] <valorie> and kudos to bkerensa for driving this
[18:31] <dholbach> hggdh, we tried that with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports - still you have some teams mailing stuff to the mailing lists or blogging it - depending on where their primary interest group is
[18:31] <dholbach> still you'd need somebody to pre-digest all the details in there
[18:31] <hggdh> dholbach: care to talk about that later
[18:31] <dholbach> elfy, this has been discussed for 2 years already
[18:31] <elfy> the FC team report is REALLY easy to reed :)
[18:31] <valorie> dholbach: teamreports is so difficult to do
[18:31] <cjohnston> Doesn't the weekly newsletter do that?
[18:31]  * hggdh is starting to be afraid he will end up with something to do
[18:31] <elfy> dholbach: yes maybe - but where?
[18:31] <valorie> I've never been fully successful at making it work
[18:31] <elfy> because I never saaw much about it :)
[18:32] <dholbach> elfy, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite?action=info which is the most recent incarnation of the project - 2012-12-05 22:05:14 the site was set up
[18:32] <elfy> anyway - this is just circular - but I think everyone is of the same mine - comms didn't work too well
[18:32] <dholbach> hggdh, we can chat briefly now if that's OK - I planned to drop off after the last UDS session
[18:33] <MarkDude> elfy: +1
[18:33] <hggdh> dholbach: can be another day, I also have a (work) meeting in a few
[18:33] <dholbach> hggdh, sure! :)
[18:33] <elfy> yes - but that's just a list of edits to a wiki page I didn't even know about till I happened to see you talking about it in ubuntu-community-team :)
[18:34] <dholbach> yeah, that's what I talked about
[18:34] <dholbach> google for the page and see where it was mentioned before
[18:34] <dholbach> I know that Jono blogged about it and it was mentioned elsewhere
[18:34] <dholbach> that's the signal/noise/communication channels problem we have to solve :)
[18:34] <elfy> I agree :)
[18:35] <MarkDude> Agreed.
[18:35] <elfy> but after 7 years I'm just a bit cynical about seeing it change :)
[18:36] <dholbach> come on
[18:36] <dholbach> that's a problem we have to solve together
[18:36] <elfy> in as postive a way as that can be read :)
[18:36] <elfy> yep
[18:36] <cjohnston> There is no perfect way. There is planet, theres voices, there are team blogs, there is the weekly news letter, how many more places do things need to be published?
[18:37] <elfy> perhaps something/somewhere that's less full of the diverse and more specific
[18:37] <elfy> who knows - if I had all the answers I'd tell you ;)
[18:37] <dholbach> it's a very hard problem to solve and we had sessions about it in the past which didn't result in much unfortunately because it is hard
[18:38] <elfy> which should just be more reason to fight through it
[18:38] <dholbach> and I can understand the demand for transparency
[18:38] <dholbach> but it's hard, there's often time pressure, lack of a good process, etc
[18:38] <elfy> yep
[18:39] <elfy> should add it to the community roundtable ...
[18:39] <elfy> well - thanks for the time, got some early evening stuff to get done
[18:40] <cjohnston> its more than just a roundtable discussion
[18:40] <MarkDude> dholbach: you are fully correct. Being Open does not mean EVERYTHING, private is fine at time- especially when looking at POSSIBLE details
[18:40] <dholbach> I guess what I'm just a bit unhappy about is that there are many asking for more info, more detail, more transparency -- which I totally understand -- but up until now I didn't see many folks acknowledging how hard it is, spending some time to think about it and willing to put some work into it
[18:40] <elfy> I know - but at the moment it's a lot of disparate groups complaining at each other - someone has to grab the thing by the scruff of the necj
[18:40] <dholbach> MarkDude, yeah, I understand
[18:40] <MarkDude> dholbach: _ FULLY have your back on that
[18:41] <MarkDude> I do
[18:41]  * MarkDude will email you with some follow up ideas
[18:41] <elfy> cjohnston: that was for you ^^ not dholbach :)
[18:41] <MarkDude> I have seen this happen  in other places, its not just one place that has this
[18:41] <elfy> dholbach: and you know that I'm often about - I do talk to people :)
[18:42] <elfy> gtg now - cya for tomorrow's session on it
[18:42] <MarkDude> Another project I work with has some folks VERY upset over a decision that was made. They dont think it was open. At this point it looks ok, but they are trying the appeal type process
[18:43] <MarkDude> Suggestion if the BLueprints made a BIT more sense, I would not have needed to waste others time that much
[18:43] <MarkDude> Mostly the Blueprint -vs- BP for UDS
[18:44] <valorie> when the issue is seen as "open" vs "closed" -- it's a class issue, and no one likes to discuss class!
[18:44] <cjohnston> MarkDude: which part of the instructions I wrote don't make sense?
[18:44] <valorie> MarkDude: link to blueprint in question?
[19:09] <dholbach> it works now
[19:09] <dholbach> but for me at least it lags or starts/stops every now and then
[19:09]  * pleia2 waves
[19:10] <Cheri703> hello
[19:10] <IdleOne> I think the trolling on the eitherpad is more than enough now.
[19:11]  * IdleOne waves
[19:14] <MarkDude> UW rox! Keep up the good work folks :)
[19:16] <dholbach> MarkDude, does the video feed work ok for you?
[19:17]  * MarkDude  needs to go leave to meet a Fedoran from Burkina Fasso in SF
[19:17] <MarkDude> Prolly better for me to be quiet on more things ;)
[19:17] <MarkDude> <working on it>
[19:17] <dholbach> enjoy!
[19:18]  * dholbach 'd love to go to Burkina Faso
[19:18] <dholbach> having a capital which is called Ouagadougou is already reason enough to be keen to visit it
[19:18] <dholbach> but for me the video feed is still starting and stopping :-/
[19:19] <MarkDude> lol that is where he is from
[19:19] <Cheri703> dholbach: try the youtube direct link?
[19:19] <Cheri703> we do have small gaps of silence, so that might be the problem?
[19:19] <dholbach> Cheri703, good point - let me try
[19:21] <dholbach> it's getting better now - thanks
[19:23] <valorie> o/
[19:23] <valorie> sorry to be late
[19:24] <valorie> oh, new plugin
[19:24] <valorie> installing
[19:27] <fisch246> you could start with a group at conference, to try and get word around about the ubuntu  women project. then eventually lead to hosting events, and conferences yourselves.
[19:27] <Cheri703> yeah, the difficulty is that we are all spread out really far
[19:28] <Cheri703> so trying to get in-person activities is complicated.
[19:28] <Cheri703> that would be another benefit of collaborating with other grups, we could have more mass to work toward events
[19:29] <fisch246> true, and you could just keep it open source for now. maybe make an open source conference sponsored by ubuntu women project, and other open source related projects
[19:32] <fisch246> ha like the hat in the background
[19:33] <IdleOne> lol, no pressure pleia2
[19:33] <pleia2> :)
[19:34] <valorie> thanks, fisch246
[19:35] <pleia2> haha, just saw the etherpad ;P
[19:35] <JoseeAntonioR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[19:36] <Cheri703> :D
[19:36] <pleia2> thanks
[19:36] <valorie> lots of places to keep up with what's going on
[19:40] <fisch246> i could contact chris and see if one of you could get an interview on Linux Action Show
[19:41] <pleia2> that would be cool
[19:41] <valorie> btw, it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:41] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, time for me to run now :)
[19:41] <JoseeAntonioR> see you all later
[19:42] <fisch246> https://plus.google.com/108668411027851722546/posts
[19:42] <fisch246> that's his account
[19:43] <fisch246> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/contact/
[19:43] <fisch246> that's another way to contact him :)
[19:43] <Cheri703> awesome, thanks
[19:44] <valorie> Systers, Linuxchix, DevChix, OpenHatch, CodeChix are some ideas
[19:44] <valorie> also there is a G+ circle for women in open souce, or women in FOSS
[19:45] <pleia2> I didn't know about the G+ circles
[19:45] <valorie> I'll forward you the circle or however one does that
[19:45] <valorie> aha, there is a planet for that
[19:45] <valorie> .....can't remember the name
[19:46] <fisch246> if you mean community, you could post the link here
[19:46] <valorie> and right, lcx has an active planet
[19:46] <valorie> maco will remember
[19:46] <pleia2> live.linuxchix.org
[19:46] <AlanBell> http://planet.ubuntu-women.org/
[19:47] <fisch246> cool :)
[19:47] <pleia2> http://planeteria.org/wfs/
[19:47] <pleia2> that's the one I was thinking of
[19:48] <valorie> hmmm, ok, didn't know about that one
[19:48] <Cheri703> June 11 in #ubuntu-women-project
[19:48] <Cheri703> next uw meeting
[19:49] <valorie> great meeting!
[19:49] <valorie> thanks all
[19:49] <Dolasilla> :)
[19:50] <IdleOne> Great meeting, thanks all.
[19:50] <Dolasilla> sorry for initial mess with the double video sound :/
[19:50] <fisch246> no prob
[19:50] <fisch246> great session


[00:11] <Riddell> hmm, we don't seem to have packages of qbzr
[00:11] <yuriy> also, shouldn't bzr be installed by default?
[00:12]  * yuriy just noticed because he was installing 5-a-day
[00:13] <Riddell> 4MB, that's more space than we can afford for a developer tool
[00:15] <yuriy> not that I think it should be, more just that i thought it was part of a base ubuntu install since it's sabdfl's favorite toy
[00:17] <Riddell> oh i think it should be
[00:17] <Riddell> but there's not enough space for desktop stuff never mind developer stuff
[00:19] <nixternal> oh my, 4.0.2 == garbage
[00:21] <Artimus> nixternal: Wasn't that just uploaded to Hardy?
[00:22] <Riddell> uh oh
[00:22] <Riddell> what's wrong with it?
[00:22] <nixternal> Riddell: plasma is silly buggy, the panel resize doesn't work correctly...
[00:23] <nixternal> I had to ctrl+alt+backspace 4 times before I had a useable desktop
[00:23] <Artimus> From my quick experience with it, it seemed a little better.  Desktop Effects murder my desktop slightly less now.  I'm not 100% convinced this isn't my Xorg setup or graphics card's fault.
[00:23] <nixternal> I rm -rf ~/.kde4
[00:23] <nixternal> seemed to have made things worse
[00:23] <Artimus> I've only killed Plasma once.  I was reminded of an Explorer.exe crash
[00:23] <nixternal> lol
[00:23] <nixternal> exactly
[00:23] <Artimus> In my defense, I was probably doing something dumb
[00:24] <nixternal> plasma never crashed, but it went all white a few times
[00:24] <Artimus> Well, not in my defense.
[00:24] <Artimus> In KDE's defense
[00:24] <nixternal> or it stayed all black
[00:24] <Artimus> Wait, you can resize the panel?
[00:24] <yuriy> hmm, i haven't had any of these issues yet. maybe nvidia is saving plasma more than eating it
[00:24] <nixternal> ya, but I would recommend against it
[00:24] <Artimus> yuriy: Do you have desktop effects on?
[00:24] <yuriy> Artimus: yeah
[00:25] <nixternal> desktop effects are much smoother and faster with 4.0.2
[00:25] <Artimus> yuriy: Any custom xorg.conf hackery?
[00:25] <yuriy> Artimus: hmm i don't think so, just using the nvidia driver
[00:26] <yuriy> i only used 4.0.2 for a little while on my other machine, i still need to restart this session and see how it works out
[00:26] <yuriy> but i just saw bug 198362 and bug 198470, which aren't *too* bad. resizing the panel and such worked
[00:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198362 in kdebase-workspace "[KDE4] Upgrade to 4.0.2. -> Panel is not displayed properly" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198362
[00:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198470 in kdebase-workspace "wallpaper broken in plasma in kde 4.0.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198470
[00:27] <Artimus> I'm not sure how to describe what was happening when I enabled desktop effects...  I'd see "dead" windows.  If I moved a window, it'd still appear rendered on the screen when the window was elsewhere.  Nvidia card...
[00:27] <Artimus> I should probably turn them off and mess around with the rest of KDE4 for a while.
[00:28] <yuriy> Artimus: that's with the proprietary driver?
[00:28] <Artimus> yuriy: yeah
[00:28] <Artimus> I also tried turning on Composite with some instructions.  It made no difference.
[00:28] <Artimus> I'll probably go back to the default settings and try it again.
[00:29] <yuriy> on a related note, has bulletproof X been implemented for kdm?
[00:30] <yuriy> after a kernel update, i restarted x but not the machine and got a cannot start displayconfig-gtk message
[00:32] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, that's bulletproof X
[00:32] <Riddell> the scripts still need to be modified to test for and run displayconfig or something else if available
[00:40] <jjesse> evening
[00:41] <Jucato> good evening jjesse
[00:42] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[00:42] <jjesse> how are things for u?
[00:42] <Jucato> doing ok. nervously waiting (for 2 months) for word on my application to college :)
[00:42] <jjesse> i saw that on your blog, good luck
[00:42] <Jucato> thans
[00:42] <Jucato> thanks*
[00:51] <nixternal> argh that kdiamond game is addicting
[00:51] <Jucato> hehehe
[00:51] <jjesse> haha
[00:51] <jjesse> hrm hotel is blocking some of my vpn connection :(
[00:51] <Jucato> that's the bejeweled clone right?
[00:51] <nixternal> I guess
[00:52] <nixternal> waiting for qt-copy to finish compiling
[00:52] <jjesse> grin
[00:52] <nixternal> qt-copy sub-src that is
[00:52] <Jucato> there are 2 more game clones I'm looking for in Linux: Bookworm and Text Twist
[00:52] <nixternal> after sub-src comes sub-tools
[00:52] <jjesse> nixternal: i was in o'hare this morning at 5:30 :(
[00:52] <jjesse> on my way to harford
[00:52] <nixternal> that sucks, I was in bed by O'Hare at 5:30 :p
[00:53]  * nixternal needs food
[00:53] <nixternal> back in a few
[00:53] <Artimus> Jucato: Yeah, it is.  And I thought Frozen Bubble killed time.
[00:54] <Jucato> kdiamond is the new frozen bubble :)
[00:54] <Hobbsee> mmm....frozen bubble...
[00:54] <Hobbsee> mmmm
[00:54] <Hobbsee> that looks fun too
[00:54] <Artimus> I don't know, the game seems kind of laggy on my box
[00:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! :)
[00:55] <Jucato> there were problems with kdiamond. aseigo blogged about it
[00:55] <Artimus> I'm not familiar wth aseigo's or anyone else's blogs...
[00:56] <Artimus> (I'm always looking for more, though.  I've recently started using RSS more)
[00:56] <nixternal> damn food isn't ready
[00:56] <nixternal> smelled like it was
[00:57] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[00:57]  * Hobbsee likes gweled, though
[00:57]  * nosrednaekim is watching the error messages as he upgrades from dapper to hardy... or attempts to
[00:58] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: I mourn for your install
[00:58] <Hobbsee> it's known to be broken.
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> this is a separate partition :)
[00:58] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Didn't want to jump a few times?
[00:58] <jjesse> grumble vm is not starting up today :(
[00:58] <yuriy> Artimus: planetkde.org
[01:00] <Jucato> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/02/animating-lots-of-things-simultaneously.html <-- about kdiamond
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> uh oh... now its wanting 20MB of stuff...  :O
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: apt-get dist-upgrade -qq --force-yes --print-uris does wonders :)
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> ok....goin back to my gutsy install...
[01:24] <nixternal> hrmm, kpovmodeler-kde4 and rsibreak-kde4 were both kicked back with md5 issues...that wasn't right..the md5sums are the same and correct
[01:25] <Jucato> head <- palm
[01:25]  * Jucato is beginning to hate kword's frames...
[01:25] <nixternal> hehe
[03:03]  * ryanakca loves netsplits :)
[05:30] <nixternal> what is wrong with this stinkin' network tonight?
[05:31] <dasSKreech> It's smelly?
[05:34] <nixternal> that it is
[06:20] <dasSKreech> nixternal: network has been freaking for a while
[06:20] <nixternal> damn, I thought we were in here
[06:20] <nixternal> had me talking in the other chan
[06:20] <dasSKreech> :)
[06:21] <dasSKreech> stephaniewhiting doesn't hang in here too often
[06:22] <nixternal> mmmm Guiness is the bestest!
[06:25] <dasSKreech> Hows class?
[06:26] <dasSKreech> oh nixternal can you change resolution in System Settings?
[06:26] <nixternal> ya
[06:27] <nixternal> class is kicking my arse
[06:28] <nixternal> hrmm, I think I am going to create a customized skin for my laptop... maybe a little Kubuntu and KDE flavor
[06:28] <dasSKreech> Hmm nothing I do will give me the apply option for my desktop
[06:29] <dasSKreech> nixternal: stick it on brain storm!!
[06:29] <nixternal> keep restarting X...it will eventually allow you to apply
[06:29] <nixternal> ya, 4.0.2 seems to be a slight regression thus far
[06:29] <dasSKreech> that's brilliant
[06:29] <dasSKreech> I haven't seen a changelog for it
[06:30] <dasSKreech> Course I didn't know it was out
[06:30] <dasSKreech> I thought it was shipping Wednesday
[06:30] <nixternal> kde 4 from trunk is great though
[06:30] <dasSKreech> !info akregator-kde4 hardy
[06:30] <nixternal> as long as you don't try to build on a monday that is :)
[06:30] <ubotu> Package akregator-kde4 does not exist in hardy
[06:30] <dasSKreech> yes yes stop rubbing in the lack of ppa builds already
[06:33] <nixternal> wth, we have 6 kdm patches in kdebase
[06:33] <nixternal> 7
[06:35]  * dasSKreech laughs at aseigo's latest blog
[06:38] <dasSKreech> Right let me make a SoC suggestion pre bed
[06:39] <dasSKreech> nixternal: so no idea if it's actual regressions or packaging issues?
[06:39] <nixternal> don't know yet
[06:41] <dasSKreech> ooh can I put strikethroughs for Kubuntu SoC ideas that have been shot down?
[06:41] <nixternal> I tried, there aren't strikethroughs on our blog
[06:42] <dasSKreech> blast
[06:42] <nixternal> we need some real SoC ideas, then I might apply for one
[06:42] <nixternal> then again, I think it is bad for me to do that
[06:42] <nixternal> I would rather get fresh blood in to do it
[06:44] <dasSKreech> you could mentor
[06:45] <nixternal> I want to work on some coding...thought about getting involved in a different project though
[06:45] <nixternal> need to see how the applications go this time around
[06:47] <nixternal> I don't see any patches that are out of place that could be a problem
[06:50] <nixternal> heh, I said there aren't strike throughs on our blog...I mean wiki :)
[06:51] <apachelogger> hoy
[06:51] <nixternal> what's up apachelogger
[06:52] <apachelogger> my maths professor just suggested to throw chalk at us if we don't stop talking about KDE
[06:53] <apachelogger> pffft, gnome users are so unfriendly -.-
[06:53] <dasSKreech> Khalk ?
[06:53] <dasSKreech> apachelogger: give them the Boot!
[06:53] <dasSKreech> where would kipi be in the svn ?
[06:53] <apachelogger> extragear
[06:54] <apachelogger> either graphics or libs
[06:54] <dasSKreech> Extragear?
[06:54] <dasSKreech> ok
[06:57] <nixternal> OMG
[06:57] <apachelogger> what happened?
[06:58] <apachelogger> other than kde4libs for gutsy is still not built -.-
[06:59] <apachelogger> 143 language packs to go
[06:59] <stdin> wooh, language packs are fun :p
[06:59] <nixternal> I made a HUGE n00b mistake
[07:00] <apachelogger> stdin: I tend to don't like them anymore
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:00] <Hobbsee> which one?  :)
[07:00] <nixternal> and nobody even caught the n00b mistake in revu
[07:00] <apachelogger> we are providing free breakage for our KDE 4
[07:00] <nixternal> shame on you revu'rz
[07:00] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/+builds
[07:00] <nixternal> apachelogger: kpovmodeler-kde4, my f'n binary was named kpovmodeler...d'oh! can't do that, we already have a kpovmodeler
[07:00] <dasSKreech> Hobbsee: Hey you still hang out here :)
[07:00] <nixternal> thank god our archive is smart
[07:01] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yummy
[07:01] <apachelogger> yeah, blocking soyuz for half a day now :S
[07:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: omg, indeed!
[07:01] <stdin> apachelogger: I swear they wait until we want to do a release before doing that, every single kde release (from the alphas to 4.0.1) they have decided to do that...
[07:01] <nixternal> apachelogger: you didn't catch it either in revu, shame on you :p
[07:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: omg!!!!
[07:02] <nixternal> that was a couple of months ago
[07:02] <apachelogger> did I advocate?
[07:02] <nixternal> apachelogger: you aren't the only one, lets say a core-dev didn't catch it either
[07:02] <apachelogger> stdin: maybe we should talk to them
[07:02] <nixternal> apachelogger: yup
[07:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: ok, that is pretty bad
[07:02] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: wouldn't surprise me
[07:02] <nixternal> ya, but I created that horrid booboo...live and learn..thank god it didn't turn out worse
[07:03]  * apachelogger adds an item to his checklist for revus
[07:03] <dasSKreech> nixternal: gnome-init
[07:03] <nixternal> luckily the version for kpovmodeler-kde4 is < kpovmodeler
[07:03] <stdin> apachelogger: and say what? "please don't kill the PPA buildds for over a day, kthxbye"?
[07:04] <apachelogger> stdin: well, if we can preannounce KDE releases to them, so they can delay their builds until we pushed KDE in
[07:04] <apachelogger> if they are willing to do that at all
[07:05]  * dasSKreech did a search for kipi and got fully distracted by a cosplayer
[07:06] <stdin> besides, "them" seems to just be Martin Pitt, and recently Arne Goetje (arnegoetje). the real problem with it is not just the number of packages, but that they are only built on the i386 buildds, so other archs start to build then ftbfs needed a manual re-queueing
[07:06] <stdin> so while the language packs build, we get no -dev packages built
[07:06]  * Hobbsee resists ranting
[07:07] <Hobbsee> stdin: if it's just a couple of packages, i can reprio them
[07:07] <apachelogger> nomnom
[07:07] <Hobbsee> particularly if it's only i386
[07:07] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending
[07:07] <dasSKreech> apachelogger: You understand kipi?
[07:07] <stdin> Hobbsee: we really just need kde4libs on 386 built, so it stops depending on libgif for gutsy
[07:07] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: you need kde4libs?  yeah, OK
[07:08] <dasSKreech> what does the wallpaper plugin do?
[07:08] <dasSKreech> it seems to manage the KDE wallpaper
[07:08] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: yep, most important
[07:08] <nixternal> dasSKreech: allows you to set your wallpaper
[07:08] <nixternal> from a kipi enabled application
[07:08]  * Hobbsee bumps
[07:08] <nixternal> damn enter key
[07:08] <apachelogger> currently kdelibs5 will beak or best case not install
[07:08] <Hobbsee> thank goodness for greasemonkey, even if i can't use buildd.py
[07:08] <dasSKreech> nixternal: hmm ok and the slideshow plugin does slideshows of images
[07:08] <nixternal> yes
[07:08]  * stdin hails the stick'o'buildd-bumps
[07:08] <Hobbsee> saves one click
[07:08] <nixternal> which is now fixed cuz of me :)
[07:09] <dasSKreech> but it's not plugable
[07:09]  * Hobbsee hates the fact that there is *no* global build queue for ppa
[07:09] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I deserve massive stick abuse for my horrible mistake
[07:09] <nixternal> !stickme
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stickme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <apachelogger> me tooo!
[07:09] <nixternal> hahaha, we need that so we can punish ourselves
[07:09]  * dasSKreech will avoid the stick thank you
[07:10] <nixternal> apachelogger: it was just kpovmodeler which wasn't life or death, but it is bad to have that attitude
[07:10] <nixternal> it isn't like we destroyed X, or Gnome, or heck, even KDE :p
[07:10] <dasSKreech> or windows
[07:10] <stdin> you aren't a man until you've broken KDE at least once :p
[07:11] <stdin> or woman, for out female inclined devs
[07:11] <stdin> s/out/our/ - /me gets more caffeine
[07:12] <nixternal> I see Ubuntu picked up another female dev...women are starting to kick some free software ass
[07:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: we weren't perfect!
[07:12] <nixternal> we had a talk at the uni today by a lady who worked for Microsoft but has since moved to Red Hat and is a free software lover
[07:12] <apachelogger> perfection is the most important thing at all
[07:13] <apachelogger> ah
[07:13] <apachelogger> Microsoft
[07:13] <nixternal> and we have another lady coming to Flourish next month and giving a couple of talks, plus she is going to sit on the FLOSS Panel with myself and others..that is going to rock hardcore man..I can't wait for Flourish
[07:13]  * apachelogger is looking forward on talking with some guys @ their CeBit booth
[07:13] <dasSKreech> nixternal: I should tell you about the woman who presented the Students Developers talk for .Net 1.0 at my Uni
[07:13] <nixternal> I think I am going to move to Europe, they have way to many Free Software conferences
[07:14] <apachelogger> right
[07:14] <apachelogger> and money wasting ones
[07:14] <dasSKreech> nixternal: Come to Jamaica we have way too few :)
[07:14] <nixternal> most of our CS instructors are women, I just now realized that, and our LUG advisor is a woman
[07:14]  * apachelogger spent a lot money on fosdem
[07:14] <dasSKreech> Hobbsee: coming to KDE Kamp ?
[07:15] <nixternal> if I move to Europe, anyone looking for a wannabe hacker to work for them? I will need a job of course, at least enough to buy some food and a warm blanket so sleeping in the park doesn't freeze me to death :p
[07:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: you could work at Microsoft's
[07:16] <Hobbsee> dasSKreech: no?
[07:17] <dasSKreech> Hobbsee: Drat
[07:54] <dasSKreech> nixternal: http://www.poutz.com/img/arte/contrucoes-com-moedas/
[08:01] <nixternal> holy smokes, that is cool
[08:06] <jussi01> nixternal: ?
[08:06] <nixternal> that picture that dasSKreech posted
[08:06] <nixternal> or those pictures rather in the link he posted
[08:08] <jussi01> nixternal: ahh. have a look at this one also: http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php :)
[08:14] <nixternal> that is cool as hell too
[08:22] <jussi01> :)
[09:22] <emonkey> nixternal, will there be an announce about 402 on kubuntu.org ? I've already written a news for -de and we want to wait until kde and .org will publish the news ...
[09:26] <Jucato> emonkey: he might be in bed (or should be)
[09:26] <emonkey> Jucato, ok thx. we can wait
[09:26] <Jucato> we are the borg. we can wait"
[09:27] <Jucato> :D
[09:27] <emonkey> :)
[09:32] <Jucato> !ping
[09:32] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[09:32] <Jucato> lol
[09:34] <Jucato> jussi01: ^^^^
[09:34] <jussi01> Jucato: yeah, I noticed
[09:34] <jussi01> very weird
[09:34] <jussi01> !test
[09:34] <ubotu> Failed.
[09:45] <boom1992> someone knows in which language ubiquity is written and where can I find the sources?
[09:46]  * Jucato wouldn't be surprised if it were python :)
[09:46] <Jucato> !info ubiquity
[09:46] <ubotu> ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.8 (gutsy), package size 1966 kB, installed size 7448 kB
[09:46] <Jucato> boom1992: you can do "apt-get source ubiquity"
[09:47] <boom1992> Jucato: oh no =( I don't have Kubuntu installed :P I'm going to write a Live-CD-Installer for ArchLinux and we want to make it as easy as Kubuntu one's ;)
[09:47] <Jucato> https://launchpad.net/ubiquity
[09:47] <boom1992> thx =)
[09:49] <Jucato> yep. written in py
[09:49] <Jucato> see the code tab
[09:50] <boom1992> yo =/
[09:52] <blizzzek> Jucato: can i search in lauchnpad (or somewhere) for apps written in a specific language (py e.g. :D)
[09:52] <xRaich[o]2x> Hm. The Plasmabar int 4.0.2 seems to have a problem with widescreen displays.
[09:52] <xRaich[o]2x> s/int/in
[09:52] <Jucato> blizzzek: not really sure... you'd have to ask in #launchpad :)
[09:53] <xRaich[o]2x> The scaling looks quite weird.
[09:53] <blizzzek> Jucato: ty ;)
[09:55]  * xRaich[o]2x really needs webspace to upload all these screenshots off visual bugs -_-
[11:30] <Riddell> boom1992: ubiquity uses debian-installer modules for a lot of its configuration
[11:31] <boom1992> Riddel: mmh ok =) btw the partitioning-part, is that an embedded qtparted?
[11:31] <jussi01> morning Riddell
[11:34] <Riddell> boom1992: it used to be, but qtparted is pretty broken, it uses a custom UI on debian-installer's partman now
[11:35] <boom1992> Riddel: ahh ok =)
[11:36] <boom1992> thx :)
[11:36] <Riddell> new alpha candidate CDs for testing, 20080305.1
[11:37] <jussi01> yay :)
[11:43] <iRon> Riddell: Does bulletproof-x need to be finished before BetaFreeze?
[11:44] <Riddell> iRon: what still needs doing?  just changing the scripts to run other apps as appropriate no?
[11:45] <Riddell> stdin!
[11:45] <iRon> Riddell: yes.. only this
[11:46] <iRon> Riddell: we need to consider what app to use -- displayconfig-gtk or displayconfig
[11:47] <Riddell> iRon: the gnome side are chaning over to gnome-display-properties
[11:47] <Riddell> and kde 4 has an randr kcontrol module
[11:48] <Riddell> so I think it should run the first available from gnome-display-properties, kcmshell4 randr, displayconfig-gtk, displayconfig
[11:48] <hunger> Will kubuntu-desktop get updated for the new OOo soon?
[11:49] <iRon> Riddell: ok. i'll contact Bryce about this..
[11:49] <Riddell> hunger: what's new about it?
[11:49] <jussi01> Riddell: quick question, do the autostart file movings have bugs?
[11:50] <hunger> Riddell: Dunno. The version number?
[11:50] <hunger> Aptitude wants to remove kubuntu-desktop when I try to update OOo.
[11:50] <Riddell> hrm, sounds like a bug in the openoffice packaging
[11:50] <Riddell> does anything else get removed?
[11:50] <hunger> If only aptitude would not crash all the time!
[11:51]  * stdin retunes huffing an puffing
[11:51] <hunger> Maybe that is due to OOo itself depending on a missing package though.
[11:52] <jussi01> Riddell: I imagine a diff of the debian dir is enough? or do you want an actual patch created? (for the autostart patches)
[11:52] <Riddell> jussi01: debdiff best
[11:52] <jussi01> Riddell: sure
[11:58] <kristjan_> I'm not sure if this is the correct channel for default look discussion, but why don't you drop polyester style and crystal windeco in favor of domino style & windeco?
[11:59] <Riddell> because artwork is subjective? :)
[12:01] <kristjan_> ok. what is the default look most important purpose? to appeal to largest audience possible?
[12:03] <hunger> Please don't change styles if not at all necessary (e.g. for KDE4). I'll have to retrain my parents in law on each change:-|
[12:03] <Hobbsee> got a screenshot of the domino proposal?
[12:04] <kristjan_> Hobbsee: no. I just like it alot, nothing comes close to it in kde3.5 (in my honest opinion)
[12:06] <kristjan_> Hobbsee: domino is sort of different from standard, windeco is part of window itself (e.g. oxygen style) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/LightGrey+for+Domino?content=52721
[12:15] <Serega> hi all
[12:15] <kristjan_> how come kubuntu does have this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate
[12:17] <Riddell> kristjan_: that looks quite a lot different from the kde 3 norm
[12:18] <jussi01> Riddell: where do you want this debdiff for knetworkmanager?
[12:19] <Riddell> jussi01: anywhere you can put it
[12:19] <Riddell> bug report or pastebin is fine
[12:24] <jussi01> Riddell: here you are: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58479/
[12:24] <jussi01> I need to run.
[12:24] <jussi01> catch you later.
[12:24] <Riddell> perfect
[12:27] <Riddell> "kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: libqimageblitz4 but it is not installable"
[12:27] <Riddell> gutsy ppa having trouble there
[12:28] <Riddell> stdin: do you know if qimageblitz was removed from ppa packages in the past?
[12:28] <stdin> not that I know of
[12:29] <Riddell> oh, maybe I just need universe in my chroot
[12:31] <Riddell> that helps
[12:43] <\sh> sebas: wine will work again ;)
[13:07] <Riddell> nareshov: about?
[13:24] <ryanakca> heh, yet another ice day :)
[13:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: any more backports?
[13:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: mostly someone needs to fix the ones that have failed
[13:26] <ryanakca> ok, and where can I find those? ~kubuntu-members-kde/+ppa ?
[13:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: kubuntu-members-kde4
[13:28] <ryanakca> s/+ppa/+archive
[13:28] <ryanakca> yep, found them :)
[13:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: kdebase-workspace-dev needs fixed for libxklavier1{2,1}-dev
[13:30] <ryanakca>   kdebase-workspace-dev: Depends: libxklavier12-dev but it is not installable ... so fix libxklavier first and then try?
[13:31] <Riddell> no just make it depend on libxklavier11-dev
[13:31] <ryanakca> ah, ok :)
[13:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... I see that kdebase-workspace 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 built successfully, so I'm guessing its ~gutsy2~ppa1 or ~gutsy1~ppa2 that I want?
[13:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: ~gutsy1~ppa2
[13:38] <ryanakca> ok, thanks
[13:44] <Hobbsee> oops, you broke it
[13:45] <Riddell> ?
[13:48]  * ryanakca wonders if there's a dget that'll work with launchpad/PPA
[13:49] <Riddell> yes, I think stdin wrote one
[13:49] <vorian> you can go to the actual link and dget as well
[13:50] <stdin> for launchpad librarian URLs there dgetlp (from ubuntu-dev-tools)
[13:50] <stdin> which got a whole new rewrite by me again a couple weeks ago :)
[13:51] <ryanakca> stdin: nice, thanks :)
[14:01] <ryanakca> how can I temporarily add a repository/source line to schroot? ex, lp/ppa does it with "RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/override-sources-list ['override-sources-list', '531217-1385008', 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main', 'deb http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse', 'deb http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted universe multiverse', ...
[14:01] <ryanakca> ... 'deb http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu gutsy-updates main restricted universe multiverse']"
[14:01] <ryanakca> oh, that line was longer than I thought :)
[14:03] <Riddell> never heard of schroot
[14:04] <ryanakca> s/schroot/sbuild/
[14:04] <ryanakca> hmm... I guess I'll manually edit the chroot :)
[14:26] <hunger> That drat scim thing is getting dragged onto my system yet again. This time by ubuntu-desktop.
[14:27] <Riddell> try removing scim-bridge-client-qt
[14:27] <hunger> Shouldn't it just not start on environments where it is not needed?
[14:28] <Riddell> that would be best yes
[14:29] <hunger> Riddell: Nope. Best would be it not getting installed when not needed:-)
[14:35] <ryanakca> hunger: remove 'scim'
[14:35] <ryanakca> (that'll take off scim-*)
[14:36] <hunger> ryanakca: Last time I had that installed I said that I'd just remove the stuff and was told to not to so that I could help getting this fixed.
[14:36] <hunger> ryanakca: You guys do not know what you want;-)
[14:37] <ryanakca> hunger: lol, I'm just telling you what I did, if you want to help test, kudos to you :D
[14:37] <hunger> ryanakca: Besides: That removes ubuntu-desktop now...
[14:38] <ryanakca> heh, bad idea asking for packaging help in #debian-mentors ;)
[14:38] <hunger> ryanakca: You have not updated recently? The new ubuntu-desktop drags in scim again.
[14:42] <ryanakca> hunger: updated monday night... *reupgrades*
[14:43] <ryanakca> hunger: hurra, 262 to upgrade, 20 not to upgrade
[14:43] <hunger> ryanakca: OOo is currently borked.
[14:44] <ryanakca> heh, thankfully I write all my documents with vim + LaTeX :)
[14:44]  * jpatrick hugs ryanakca
[14:53] <davmor2> Riddell: what's skim
[14:53] <jpatrick> !info skim | davmor2
[14:53] <ubotu> davmor2: skim (source: skim): smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1238 kB, installed size 2688 kB
[14:54] <Riddell> kde frontend for scim
[14:55] <davmor2> Sorry more specifically what does it do?
[14:55] <Riddell> input for chinese and the like
[14:56] <davmor2> right okay just noticed it had appeared on the task bar of the latest live cd just wondered about it :)
[14:58] <Riddell> others have noticed it too
[15:00] <davmor2> Riddell: why is on the taskbar out of interest?
[15:02] <Riddell> davmor2: it should only appear if you're using CKJ, but there's been a change in the seeds which makes it appear for all
[15:02] <Riddell> I'm not sure the best way to fix that
[15:03] <davmor2> right okay.  Is it just because of it being the livecd then?  it shouldn't show up on the installed system is that right?
[15:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm.../go -ment
[15:07] <ryanakca> oops,
[15:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: do I dput somewheres or debdiff?
[15:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: debdiff: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kdebase-workspace_4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2.debdiff
[15:10] <ryanakca> builds fine :)
[15:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: are you a member of kubuntu-members-kde4?
[15:15] <ryanakca> ryanakca: nope
[15:16] <jpatrick> ryanakca: don't you just love tab? :-)
[15:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: I've added you
[15:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: edit ~/dput.cf as per https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart for kubuntu-members-kde4 and put there
[15:17] <Riddell> dput there
[15:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, thanks. As for buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.kdeedu-kde4_4%3A4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ,   kdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5 (= 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2) but it is not going to be installed   has that been fixed? Tried to build 17 hours ago
[15:18] <ryanakca> jpatrick: lol, yep :)
[15:19] <davmor2> Riddell: doesn't fade to black on my laptop any more :)
[15:20] <davmor2> still fade just not to black :)
[15:20] <jpatrick> anyone here like to be roomie with me at UDS?
[15:21] <ryanakca> jpatrick: I could, but I'm not going :(
[15:21] <etretyak> I've changed my nick from `iRon' to `etretyak' to get a cloak :-)
[15:21] <jpatrick> ryanakca: aww
[15:21] <ryanakca> etretyak: they didn't like iRon ?
[15:22] <etretyak> ryanakca: iRon was already registered by someone else
[15:22] <ryanakca> jpatrick: well, a) its a school week, and b) my parents don't feel like dishing out 1-2k to fly me half way across the world, stay in hotel for a week, food, fly back, etc
[15:22] <ryanakca> etretyak: ah :)
[15:23] <jpatrick> ryanakca: a) meh b) Canonical pays all
[15:24] <ryanakca> jpatrick: lol, school doesn't really matter much, I'm ahead in all my classes, and I can catch up. and b), didn't know they'd do that :)
[15:24] <davmor2> ryanakca: You mean you didn't explain about it's importance in your social and education development ;)
[15:26] <jpatrick> ryanakca: there is a reason it's called "all-expenses paid" ;)
[15:26] <ryanakca> hmm... E: kdebase-workspace source: missing-build-dependency po-debconf
[15:27] <ryanakca> jpatrick: yes, well, I never saw that part, and I doubt its all-expenses paid for the parent/guardian that insists in comming along
[15:27] <jpatrick> ...
[15:27] <ryanakca> po-debconf... I guess I can just append that to build-depend
[15:28] <ryanakca> ?
[15:28] <ryanakca> or is there a reason why we didn't have it in...
[15:30] <jpatrick> ryanakca: debhelper depends on that
[15:32] <ryanakca> jpatrick: so I can leave it out since we already depend on debhelper?
[15:32] <jpatrick> ryanakca: yeah
[15:39] <LjL> wait... we have 4.0.2 in ppa before it's released?
[15:39] <jpatrick> LjL: yeah
[15:40] <jpatrick> LjL: they release tars to us before release to package for release date
[15:41] <LjL> jpatrick: isn't that a bit confusing to users who have PPA enabled as per kubuntu.org?
[15:43] <Riddell> it's on ftp.kde.org
[15:50] <davmor2> Riddell: Skim shows up on the installed system too :(  other than that I don't see much wrong.
[15:50] <davmor2> oh volume level much better too don't know if it is volume change or just improved drivers :)
[15:51] <ryanakca> heh, I never even noticed, I thought 4.0.2 was already released ;)
[16:05] <davmor2> Riddell: I just noticed there is an update for almost all of open-office does this mean they'll be another cd ?
[16:05] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, I'm afraid so
[16:07] <davmor2> Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn  Shruggin fassin Dick Dasterdly :)
[16:07] <davmor2> Riddell: will kde4 be effected too or is it safe to keep downloading it?
[16:08] <ryanakca> Hmm... anybody know why OOo always seems to be alternating between broken and fixed?
[16:08] <\sh> ryanakca: it's evil...
[16:08] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, seems it is
[16:09] <davmor2> ryanakca: other than it's OO.o?
[16:09] <davmor2> Riddell: Okay np.  Most of my issues with KDE on my machines are over any way :)
[16:09] <ryanakca> davmor2: lol
[16:11] <davmor2> \sh: any idea when the wine update will hit the repo's at all?
[16:16] <\sh> davmor2: nope...depending on the load of the buildds
[16:21] <\sh> davmor2: according to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/wine/0.9.56-0ubuntu1 it should be already on the archives
[16:22] <\sh> davmor2: but looks like that it didn't hit the ftp archive ..
[16:23] <davmor2> ah right np's thanks for the heads up :)
[16:25] <jpatrick> ScottK: you applied for DM?
[16:26] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:26] <jpatrick> yay, /me now knows who to poke for quick uploads
[16:26] <ScottK> I'm just starting T&S in my NM and so this'll give me some ability to upload in the mean time.
[16:26] <ScottK> jpatrick: NM is only for packages I'm maintainer for.
[16:26] <jpatrick> :(
[16:27] <jpatrick> maybe I could do the same..
[16:27] <ScottK> Sorry. That was DM.  NM Is the process to become a DD which I may someday finish...
[16:38] <NthDegree> anyone know what the status of a CD-ROM based alternate install is like for Alpha 6?
[16:46] <yao_ziyuan> ktorrent doesn't seem to fully support unicode filenames (filenames specified in a torrent). i suggest ubuntu uses the official bittorrent client instead.
[16:48] <\sh> oh wow...this guy has nerves
[16:48] <\sh> more likley that the torrent file doesn't provide really utf-8 filenmaes, but non-unicode stuff (e.g. gb18030)
[16:49] <jpatrick> \sh: yeah, he's done that loads of times...
[16:50] <jussi01> and now in #k having a complain... sigh
[16:50] <jpatrick> yep, I'm watching..
[16:51] <ryanakca> heh
[16:52] <jpatrick> hi nosrednaekim
[16:52]  * ryanakca waves to nosrednaekim and Czessi
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> hey jpatrick... thanks for fixin up that package.
[16:53] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: no problem
[16:53]  * ryanakca wonders why the guy doesn't just file a bug report
[16:55] <jpatrick> < yao_ziyuan> sorry i feel it uncomfortable to file a bug :)
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> its apparently not feng shau....
[16:56]  * \sh doesn't say anything about it...the torrent file attached to a bug would be better...but I doubt that's a legal file he tried to download ,-)
[16:56] <jussi01> someone should tell him complaining in #k wont help
[16:56] <jpatrick> no, it isn't
[16:56] <ScottK> Well I feel uncomfortable making changes based on random IRC rambling, so I guess we're even.
[16:57] <jpatrick> jussi01: why, I thought you'd never volunteer
[16:57]  * jussi01 huggles ScottK
[16:57] <jussi01> jpatrick: he ignores me. If I go in there too much Ill kick him, and I dont want to do something stupid
[16:58] <jpatrick> jussi01: err, tell me if what I just did was right
[16:58] <jussi01> jpatrick: perfect, he was flooding
[16:59]  * jpatrick goes back to writing emails
[17:06] <nixternal> mornin'
[17:06] <nixternal> emonkey: yes there will be info about 4.0.2 in the release notes
[17:06] <nixternal> I am going to get those all doctored up today
[17:07] <emonkey> nixternal, ok thank you
[17:11] <NthDegree> jpatrick: what compiler options does Ubuntu Hardy use for the majority of packages?
[17:33] <davmor2> Riddell: should the Hardware Drivers Manager not run on first restart after install?
[17:33] <Riddell> jockey?
[17:33] <Riddell> I suppose so
[17:34] <davmor2> It doesn't :(
[17:34] <Riddell> davmor2: what happens if you run "jockey-kde --check" ?
[17:35] <davmor2> Riddell: everything is fine if you run the tool manually
[17:35] <davmor2> I'll try it for you next batch of cd's
[17:36] <Riddell> new CDs are up, ubuntu desktop oversized though
[17:37] <davmor2> I'll give it a bit before I run my script :)
[17:45] <smarter_> Could kubuntu-kde4-meta includes oxygen-cursor-theme?
[17:52] <Riddell> smarter_: yes, it should
[17:53] <smarter> great
[17:53] <smarter> k-d-s-kde4 has disappeared?
[17:56] <nareshov> Riddell: I'm here
[17:56] <nareshov> was out all day
[18:19] <Riddell> nareshov: it's ok, ryanakca fixed it :)
[18:19] <Riddell> nareshov: but there's proabably still packages in the ppa that need given back
[18:20] <nareshov> ah, ok
[18:20] <nareshov> "that need given back" ?
[18:21] <stdin> I wonder what nixternal did
[18:22] <Riddell> nareshov: retried
[18:22] <davmor2> \sh_away: Yeah wine works a dream :)
[18:35] <nixternal> requirements of an irc op: be a retard
[18:37] <seele> nixternal: there is an MD loco meeting tonight if youre interested
[18:38] <seele> since soon enough youll be here :)
[18:38] <nixternal> what time?
[18:38] <nixternal> I just might have to check in
[18:38] <seele> 20:00 in #ubuntu-maryland
[18:38] <seele> 20:00 est
[18:43]  * seele waves to DaSkreech
[18:43] <DaSkreech> Hi seele
[18:45] <nixternal> wow, #ubuntu-maryland is super quiet isn't it
[18:46] <nixternal> I wonder if there are an SMIBs in the MD LoCo
[18:46] <nixternal> I think only those in southern MD know what a SMIB is
[18:46] <nixternal> don't think the rest of the state knows
[18:47] <seele> nixternal: yeah.. they're having some internal battle about IRC vs Message Boards vs Email
[18:47] <nixternal> Chicago was the same way, but eventually everyone caught on
[18:48] <nixternal> plain and simple, you can't be a geek and not use IRC..it is a requirement
[18:48] <skreech_> How are you seele ?
[18:48] <nixternal> I get on people at the uni who claim to be geek...I always ask which IRC channels they hang out on :p
[18:48] <nixternal> I am such a meany
[18:48] <seele> DaSkreech: good.. just trying to get caught up with job stuff so i can get some floss work done later this week
[18:49] <ScottK> nixternal: Got a minute to put on your MC hat?
[18:50] <DaSkreech> seele: Cool If I can help let me know
[18:54] <seele> DaSkreech: with my job? lol
[18:58] <DaSkreech> seele: :-) Sure with your job
[18:59] <seele> DaSkreech: not really but thanks for the offer
[19:01] <tlayton> ScottK: updated guidance from your ppa today. there is a missing double quote in wineread.py on line 30
[19:01] <DaSkreech> No akregator for KDE4 ?
[19:02] <ScottK> tlayton: Thanks. looking.
[19:05] <smarter> DaSkreech: akregator is in kdepim which has not been released
[19:05] <ScottK> tlayton: Fixed.  Thanks.
[19:05] <DaSkreech> smarter: ah right. Thanks
[19:05] <tlayton> ScottK: np. you're welcome
[19:06] <DaSkreech> That's gonna hurt
[19:12] <nixternal> ScottK: what's up?
[19:18] <DaSkreech> nixternal: does http://www.pidgin.im/~seanegan/blog/ open for you in Konqui ?
[19:19] <stdin> DaSkreech: KABOOM!
[19:23] <DaSkreech> stdin: Yup
[19:24] <DaSkreech> smarter: There is a koffice alpha out right?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> !info koffice-kde4
[19:24] <DaSkreech> !info koffice-kde4 hardy
[19:24] <smarter> yep
[19:24] <ubotu> Package koffice-kde4 does not exist in gutsy
[19:24] <ubotu> koffice-kde4 (source: koffice2): KDE Office Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:<IP_ADDRESS>~that.is.really.<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[19:31] <ScottK> tlayton: I just uploaded another kdeguidance to my PPA.
[19:31] <ScottK> Riddell: My latest PPA (I swear) kde-guidance as a full MonitorDB update from hwdata SVN.
[19:33] <Riddell> ScottK: where does that come from?
[19:33] <ScottK> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/hwdata.git?p=hwdata.git;a=blob_plain;f=MonitorsDB;hb=HEAD
[19:33] <ScottK> I wanted to run that by you before I uploaded it for real.
[19:34] <Tonio_> hum I noticed that my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>redirection doesn't seem to work..... am I the only one ?
[19:34] <Riddell> ScottK: seems sensible but I'm not really familiar with the codebase
[19:35] <ScottK> From what I can see the data is the same format and it's where Dell pushes all their changes (and Ubuntu uses that data).
[19:36] <stdin> Riddell: you think I should backport decibel 0.5.0+svn737972-2ubuntu1 to the PPA, for kdenetwork, or is someone else doing it?
[19:38] <Riddell> stdin: I think kdenetwork-kde4 should be changed to not use decibel
[19:38] <Riddell> it would also require a backport of tapioca etc
[19:38]  * stdin takes a looksee
[20:06] <Riddell> hmm, I can't make the meeting on saturday
[20:06] <Riddell> anyone else want to lead it?
[20:06] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[20:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: Has Kubuntu ever used MootBot for logs/transcripts?
[20:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: hiho.
[20:11] <DaSkreech> hunger: Don't forget to hug Eva :)
[20:12] <stdin> ryanakca: we did a couple times, but iirc jpatrick hates the thing
[20:13] <ScottK> Then he can lead the meeting.
[20:13] <ryanakca> ScottK: who can? jpatrick?
[20:13] <hunger> DaSkreech: I will not risc a sexual harressment suit just so you can make fun of me.
[20:13] <stdin> he usually does the logs anyway
[20:13] <ScottK> If he's going to complain.
[20:14] <ryanakca> stdin: ah, any idea why? supposedly they're working on a log to wiki feature...
[20:14]  * ScottK will not be there either ...
[20:14] <stdin> ryanakca: I recall him saying something about not liking the way it floods the channel
[20:15] <DaSkreech> hunger: Ha ha fine tell her that hugs were sent on faith from Jamaica then
[20:15] <ryanakca> stdin: ah. I see... I could probably switch it to msg the commands to the chair instead of to the channel while I'm fixing it for classroom...
[20:16] <stdin> or jut mute the thing :p
[20:16] <DaSkreech> why doesn't apt-get install libstdc++[56] work ?
[20:16] <ryanakca> or that...
[20:17] <stdin> if the chair is +o and the channel is +z then they would still see the messages too
[20:17] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: package doesn't exist? E: Couldn't find package libstdc++[56]
[20:18] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: I know but shouldn't bash step in and split that to ... oh lord never mind I just figured it out
[20:18] <ryanakca> stdin: well, then you'd have to voice everybody who is participating, other than the bot... meh, if you show up half way through, you can always poke the chair for +v
[20:19] <stdin> ryanakca: no, if the  channel is +z then even though it's muted anyone who's +o will see it
[20:22] <ryanakca> stdin: *is lost* wouldn't you want +zm, that way only those voiced are able to talk? otherwise, everybody would still see mootbot, since they have the same status as it?
[20:23] <ryanakca> anyways...
[20:23]  * ryanakca wonders if there are any backports left...
[20:23] <stdin> ryanakca: no, when the channel is +z then anyone who's muted (or banned but not removed) can still be see by anyone who is +o, but not by anyone else
[20:24] <ryanakca> stdin: oh, you mute the bot, sorry, missed that :)
[20:24] <stdin> yeah
[20:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: have you checked if they've all compiled? (ignoring lpia)
[20:35]  * stdin has been helping the PPA along
[20:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: built fine
[20:36] <stdin> koffice seems horribly broken though
[20:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: lpia, i386 and amd64...
[20:37] <Riddell> does everything install?
[20:37] <Riddell> stdin: koffice2?
[20:37] <stdin> Riddell: yeah
[20:37] <stdin> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12101946/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.koffice2_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>%7Ethat.is.really.<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1%7Egutsy2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:38] <stdin> debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkisexiv2.so.5 isn't built it seems
[20:39] <Riddell> remove it from the .install files I guess
[20:39] <stdin> I bet it's not the only "missing" file though, and koffice2 takes so long to compile :p
[20:40] <Riddell> wait for the next alpha?
[20:42] <stdin> I'll try to get it built tonight, see how long it takes me to either succeed or give up
[20:43] <davmor2> give up now save trying to build ;)
[20:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... it doesn't complain about missing depends. I'm just waiting for 164MB of depends to download to test the install though :)
[20:49] <stdin> I've only seen one failed install in -kde4, and that's because they have kde4base installed for some reason
[21:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: installed fine
[21:07] <stdin> oh wait, koffice2 is fine, I was looking at ~gutsy2 when ~gutsy3 is built fine :p
[21:39] <jpatrick> ryanakca: yes, stdin's right, I do _dislike_ the MootBot
[21:39] <ryanakca> heh
[21:39]  * stdin is always right
[21:39] <stdin> unless I'm wrong that is
[21:41] <jpatrick> I might not make the eeting, (internet's is going at ~8B/s), but if I do, I will lead if you want
[21:45] <jpatrick> NthDegree: re your question, most of them can be found in /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk for kde packages
[21:46]  * jpatrick => bed
[22:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[22:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't receive any email to my @ubuntu.com email address redirection for 2 days now....
[22:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: my mailbox works like a charm, so I  must say I'm very, very annoyed :)
[22:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I use my ubuntu.com address for everything.....
[22:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea who to ping for the issue ?
[22:31] <ScottK> Tonio_: IIRC you 'ask a question' against launchpad for such issues, but I'm not sure.
[22:32] <Tonio_> ScottK I was asked to eventually ask on canonical-sysadmin channel......
[22:32] <ScottK> OK.
[22:32] <Tonio_> ScottK not sure what to do, and where to ask......
[22:32] <Tonio_> Riddell may know better...
[22:33] <ScottK> #launchpad or #canonical-sysadmin is where I would go, but it's the wrong time of day to get much help unfortunately.
[22:40] <Riddell> as ScottK says, #canonical-sysadmin
[23:06] <theunixgeek> In Designer, how do I import a class' slots?
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: you have to assign the slots to a function
[23:06] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: what do you mean?
[23:07] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: I already wrote the code.
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> then why are you importing them?
[23:08] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: ok, how do I connect signals to personally-written slots?
[23:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: no response yet, but I'll retry tomorrow :)
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: in python, you do it like so: QObject.connect(self.ui.noEffectsButton,     SIGNAL("clicked()"), self.noEffects)
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: I think its fairly similar in C++
[23:18] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: in designer
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> ooh! designer :)... I read kdevelop somehow
[23:19] <theunixgeek> :P
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> so you want to import a Qradiobutton's slots?
[23:20] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: no
[23:20] <theunixgeek> let me restate ;)
[23:20] <kwwii> erm, when is the next meeting?
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> kwwii: this friday iirc
[23:21] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: I wrote a method that changes the test of a QLabel:  void sayHello(QLabel label) { label.setText("Hello"); }
[23:21] <Riddell> kwwii: saturday at 11UTC but I can't make it
[23:21] <kwwii> Saturday March 8, 2008 at 11:00 UTC
[23:21] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: I want to connect a button's clicked() signal to run that slot. how do connect them?
[23:21] <kwwii> yeah, I just figured that out too
[23:21] <kwwii> thanks
[23:22] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I wonder if _StefanS_ is going to present his stuff
[23:23] <kwwii> he went to all this work and then makes nothing of it
[23:23] <kwwii> oh well
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: with the code I showed you above (only in C++)
[23:25] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: again, in designer
[23:27] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: I already wrote the code for my method
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure that can do it in designer.


[08:38] <green7> Hey, I want to know how does Ubuntu manage process synchronization? Particularly, how does it implement locking?
[08:39] <green7> can anyone clarifY?
[11:26]  * henrix -> lunch
[11:48] <MCR1> Hi everyone :)
[11:49] <MCR1> I wanted to report that Kernel 3.6 (tested RC1 and RC4) breaks SSL. Uploading to launchpad for example is impossible with current Kernel 3.6.
[11:49] <MCR1> Are you aware of that ?
[11:54] <dileks> MCR1: what makes you believe that? any logs you can paste?
[11:55] <MCR1> dileks: Simply try it. It works on all 3.5 versions, once I upgrade to 3.6 it stops working. It creates a lock, but no data is transmitted...
[11:56] <dileks> I am not on your system. what ubuntu-release do you use? any third-party repos involved?
[11:56] <MCR1> dileks: I have to do a bzr break-lock then, while with Kernel 3.5 all works. I am on Quantal here.
[11:57] <dileks> are you using ubuntu mainline kernel or self-compiled ones?
[11:57] <MCR1> dileks: Mainline kernel.
[11:57] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.6-rc5-quantal/
[11:58] <dileks> rc5 is out
[11:59] <MCR1> I just tried RC1 and RC4, but I can try RC5 also and then report here (might take a while though...)
[12:01] <dileks> I am here on ubuntu/precise amd64 with linux-next kernel
[12:10] <MCR1> dileks: Can you try if SSL works if you are using 3.6 on Precise ?
[12:16] <ricotz> MCR1, btw what makes you think SSL is broken?
[12:23] <MCR1> ricotz: It does work on Kernel 3.5, but not on 3.6 - that makes me think it is the Kernel's fault - because nothing else changed
[12:24] <MCR1> ricotz: Also I tried 2 different 3.6 kernels and multiple 3.5 ones -> always the same effect -> works on 3.5, but not on 3.6
[12:26] <ricotz> MCR1, so you can't get any ssl connection with e.g. firefox?
[12:27] <MCR1> ricotz: uh, I did not try that - but I cannot upload to launchpad anymore (which uses SSL)
[12:27] <MCR1> bzr push fails
[12:27] <ricotz> MCR1, that is why i am asking bzr might not be the best to confirm such a problem
[12:28] <MCR1> ricotz: You might be right on this one :)
[12:28] <ricotz> while the kernel isnt responsible for that in the tighter way
[12:28] <ricotz> this might be a network driver problem
[12:28] <ricotz> or a nic firmware problem
[12:29] <MCR1> sure, but the normal internet works
[12:30] <MCR1> ricotz: I will try to run more tests later, then I can make sure it is SSL
[12:30] <ricotz> just saying it doesnt sound plausible to blame the kernel for ssl not working
[12:30] <MCR1> also 3.6RC5 is untested here yet
[12:31] <MCR1> something's fishy, believe me
[12:31] <ricotz> good luck then
[12:31] <MCR1> thx
[12:57] <rtg> henrix, herton: natty is done, right ? no more changes ?
[12:58] <herton> rtg, yes
[12:58] <rtg> good
[14:47]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:23] <orated> Hello! After completing modprobe operations on kernel module, is there any thing to do so that I don't have to repeat modprobe steps on every system boot?
[15:25] <rtg> orated, you couls add it to /etc/modules
[15:25] <rtg> could*
[15:28] <h00k> I'm having an interesting tcp-session issue with the latest kernel for ubuntu+1
[15:29] <h00k> booting from an older kernel resolved the issue - I'm not sure if it has to do with my wireless adapter or the kernel itself, but the kernel log was full of tcp problems.
[15:29] <h00k> Has anyone else reported similarly?
[15:30] <jsalisbury> h00k, it would be good to open a bug in Launchpad.  That would help to track all the appropiate info and let others mark as a duplicate if they are seeing it too
[15:31] <h00k> jsalisbury: yes, I will do so. The only problem is that it filled up my / so I had to remove it. Later when I'm home, I'll try to reproduce, get a log, and submit it.
[15:31] <h00k> Also, I have to get it before it gets too big for my internet to upload it :/
[15:37] <jsalisbury> h00k, you could open the bug with the previous kernel, so you don't have issues.  Then post the errors you are seeing in the log
[16:55] <infinity> ikepanhc: Is that armadaxp kernel in PPA ready to copy?
[16:55] <infinity> ikepanhc: The precise one, that is.
[16:55] <infinity> ikepanhc: I was about to copy it, but wasn't sure the point of your cryptic paste in the tracking bug. :P
[16:56] <ikepanhc> infinity: yes, the 3.2.0-1608.13 is ready for copying
[16:56] <infinity> ikepanhc: Check.  On it.
[16:56] <ikepanhc> infinity: thanks :)
[17:02] <vanhoof> ikepanhc: up late? :)
[17:03] <ikepanhc> vanhoof: fall to sleep at 7pm, now no idea how to get to sleep
[17:03] <vanhoof> ikepanhc: beer?
[17:03] <ikepanhc> vanhoof: I perfer something stronger
[17:03] <vanhoof> lol, vodka?
[17:03] <ikepanhc> good idea :)
[17:37]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:59]  * cking -> EOD
[19:28]  * ogasawara lunch
[19:54] <rtg> ogasawara, what do you think about an upload to fix these trackpad/touchpad and Apple gmux bugs ?
[19:54] <ppisati> back online...
[19:56] <ogasawara> rtg: sounds good to me, I'll kick off test builds and upload
[19:56] <rtg> ogasawara, its a non=ABI bumper
[19:56] <ogasawara> cool
[20:39]  * rtg -> EOD
[20:52] <dantti> hi, is there a chance to get this option enabled in quantal kernel? it's been a while without comments on the bug report... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1003090
[20:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1003090 in linux "Please enable HID_BATTERY_STRENGTH (on xorg-edgers and quantal kernel packages)" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:03] <jcs3f364363> Hi, I wish to report a kernel 3.5.3 bug. I've never do this before, I don't even know if I am in the right place. I was wondering if someone could help me.
[21:13] <jcs3f364363> Trying to use the integrated webcam makes the system freeze(No ctrl+Alt+Backspace, no ctrl+alt+F1 F2...). This didn't happened with 3.2.0 kernel


[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <bdrung> \o
[15:01] <alexghiti> o/
[15:01] <schopin> o/
[15:02] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:03]  * vorlon waves
[15:03] <xypron> o/
[15:03] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:03:39 UTC.  The chair is jawn-smith.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:03] <jawn-smith> #topic Lightning Round
[15:03] <jawn-smith> The status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundation-team-updates-thursday-02-june-2022/28714/8
[15:04] <jawn-smith> Let's all take some time to read through it and ask questions
[15:04] <jawn-smith> And to congratulate schopin on becoming core dev!
[15:04] <slyon> wrt. alexghiti's libgpg-error multi-arch fix, we'd need somebody to deploy this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development/+merge/423176
[15:04] <slyon> maybe vorlon or juliank could help with that?
[15:05] <vorlon> I thought it autodeploys
[15:05] <slyon> hasn't been deployed as of a few hours ago
[15:05] <juliank> It doesn't autodeploy
[15:05] <juliank> The manual says to run some juju thingy
[15:06] <juliank> but that might be broken and one has to run git pull
[15:06] <bdmurray> I'd like to do that after the meeting
[15:06] <juliank> directly
[15:06] <vorlon> ok
[15:06] <slyon> thanks bdmurray
[15:07] <jawn-smith> Okay, any other questions?
[15:08] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:08] <jawn-smith> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:08] <jawn-smith> bug 1880029
[15:09] <jawn-smith> slyon: you tagged this
[15:09] <slyon> we had some discussions wrt netplan's "optional-addresses" and it turned out that it is not working proper ever since
[15:09] <slyon> (or at least since ~2018)
[15:09] <slyon> so we should look into that
[15:10] <jawn-smith> is this something that would be worthy of an SRU?
[15:10] <slyon> eventually yes, but could be through a full version backport of netplan
[15:10] <jawn-smith> Okay. mclemenceau would you mind carding this?
[15:10] <mclemenceau> of course! on it
[15:11] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[15:11] <jawn-smith> bug 1976607
[15:11] <slyon> that's mine as well
[15:11] <jawn-smith> this one eve has a patch, so a card seems justified
[15:11] <jawn-smith> s/eve/even
[15:11] <slyon> yeah, patch doesn't fully work unfortunately
[15:11] <jawn-smith> ah okay. Either way if work is being done on it we should go ahead and create a card
[15:12] <slyon> but we need to fix it. systemd's autopkgtests were reduced post Jammy feature freeze due to the 'lxd' deb being removed
[15:12] <slyon> so many tests are skipped, which is bad
[15:12] <jawn-smith> That does indeed sound bad
[15:12] <mclemenceau> ok carding this then
[15:12] <jawn-smith> Thanks!
[15:12] <jawn-smith> bug 1976299
[15:13] <jawn-smith> I see both schopin and bdmurray commenting on this
[15:14] <jawn-smith> Is this something you're working on schopin?
[15:14] <schopin> not actively, no, I just tagged it so that it'd show up on my list.
[15:15] <jawn-smith> Okay, well sounds important so let's card it
[15:15] <mclemenceau> ok
[15:15] <schopin> ack
[15:15] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:16] <jawn-smith> The first two were already covered under kk
[15:16] <jawn-smith> bug 1976258
[15:16] <jawn-smith> tagged by doko
[15:16] <bdmurray> The dbus one was not discussed under kk
[15:17] <jawn-smith> eh? Okay I'll go back to it
[15:17] <jawn-smith> I've seen this failing test before from icu
[15:17] <jawn-smith> At least I'm pretty sure
[15:17] <jawn-smith> It had something to do with our tzdata being different than Debian's
[15:18] <jawn-smith> so mclemenceau can you card this and assign to me?
[15:18] <bdmurray> icu does occassionally get security updates so that seems worth sorting but might be a low priority
[15:18] <mclemenceau> ok
[15:18] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[15:18] <ginggs> jawn-smith: if you think it's a flaky, and needs a retry, i can do that
[15:18] <jawn-smith> ginggs: if it's the problem I've seen before it's not flakey
[15:19] <jawn-smith> but rather different names for certain locales that makes the test fail
[15:19] <jawn-smith> moving on to bug 1968845
[15:19] <jawn-smith> we actually discussed this during the last meeting, hence my purple link
[15:19] <bdmurray> This was discussed elsewhere and there is a plan
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Does that plan involve a card?
[15:20] <bdmurray> It probably should
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Cool, let's card it and move on
[15:20] <jawn-smith> rls-ii is empty
[15:20] <jawn-smith> \o/
[15:21] <mclemenceau> Ack
[15:21] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:21] <jawn-smith> bug 1888347
[15:21] <jawn-smith> we discussed this one last week
[15:22] <bdmurray> I tagged it because there was reference to data loss but the linked bugs are quite different from what the description says
[15:22] <jawn-smith> It appears there was an action for bdmurray to investigate if this was fixed in focal+
[15:23] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: have you looked into that?
[15:23] <slyon> there's also a private bug 1921145 which apparently has an upstream fix and backport provided, so should probably  be verified and included in the next systemd Focal SRU
[15:25] <bdmurray> Let's ask for a test case from the reporter about the lvm2 bug
[15:25] <jawn-smith> Sounds good to me
[15:25] <jawn-smith> That's it for bugs then
[15:25] <jawn-smith> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:26] <jawn-smith> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:26] <jawn-smith> vorlon: take it away
[15:26] <vorlon> only 13 packages to discuss
[15:26] <vorlon> I'll try to be quick
[15:26] <vorlon> libevent, I know is in progress
[15:27] <jawn-smith> correct, we have identified a solution
[15:27] <vorlon> waveform doesn't seem to be around today, but I guess this is still ok to carry over?
[15:27] <vorlon> doko: are you keeping dash?
[15:27] <jawn-smith> Yeah, I may end up fixing it while ubuntu-image tests are running or something like that
[15:28] <vorlon> schopin: are you still driving the MIRs for licensecheck?
[15:28] <slyon> licensecheck and sphinx are in progress: LP: #1972853
[15:28] <vorlon> excellent
[15:28] <dbungert> dnspython is still mine, I have a plan for the first problem but there is a whole secondary problem that needs investigation.
[15:28] <schopin> agreed, still working on it.
[15:28] <slyon> so is libgpg-error, LP: #1975673
[15:28] <vorlon> schopin: are you also still working on the MIR for sphinx?
[15:29] <schopin> Yes, we bundled all the perl MIRs in one bug.
[15:29] <schopin> incidentally that specific one is the one causing the delay.
[15:29] <vorlon> MIRs for mutt are in progress as mentioned in jawn-smith's weekly report
[15:30] <vorlon> brltty is waiting on new espeak-ng, which rings a bell for me; I'll have a look at it
[15:30] <vorlon> paramiko vs libcloud, enr0n seems to be on top of this
[15:31] <enr0n> Yeah, I tracked down the root cause this morning, and I am working on a patch.
[15:31] <vorlon> dbungert already mentioned dnspython
[15:31] <vorlon> that takes us to the new stuff (7 days old)
[15:31] <vorlon> python-future has some autopkgtest regressions
[15:31] <vorlon> who can take this?
[15:31] <ginggs> i'll take that
[15:31] <vorlon> python-future to ginggs
[15:31] <vorlon> thanks
[15:32] <vorlon> python-httplib2: bdrung: ?
[15:32] <bdrung> yes, i can take that
[15:32] <vorlon> dpkg: juliank: do you want this?
[15:33] <juliank> ack
[15:33] <vorlon> pillow: ogayot: can you take this?
[15:33] <ginggs> pillow is blocked by skimage which has a new indirect dependency
[15:33] <ginggs> debian bug #1010595
[15:33] <vorlon> are you saying not to give it to ogayot? :)
[15:34] <ogayot> Seems like we need to wait on Debian. I can take it then.
[15:37] <vorlon> I believe that's everything for this week
[15:37] <jawn-smith> #topic AOB
[15:38] <ginggs> i did have a quick question about bdrung's onetbb thing
[15:38] <ginggs> just wondering if it may be better to add things to big_packages instead of long_tests
[15:38] <ginggs> (provided they can run their tests in parallel)
[15:38] <ginggs> i had some success doing that with mercurial
[15:39] <bdrung> what is the practical difference between big_packages and long_tests?
[15:39] <vorlon> big_packages is larger VMs; long_tests extends the timeout
[15:39] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#autopkgtests
[15:40] <bdrung> so it needs to be checked if the cmake test suite can be executed in parallel
[15:41] <vorlon> in terms of the trade-offs, big_packages is better than long_tests if it solves the failure *and* the autopkgtest infra is under low load
[15:42] <vorlon> however, I don't think our handling of quota for big VMs is very good
[15:42] <vorlon> so large numbers of packages requiring big_packages ==> increased VM allocation failure rate
[15:42] <bdrung> seeing "Threads = 1" and "parallel_for" in the autoptkgtest output, so we can test running autopkgtest with different VMs to see how much it gets faster
[15:43] <vorlon> and in principle, when we get around to implementing baseline retesting, "low load" will become an infrequent state
[15:43] <bdrung> is it documented somewhere how big those autopkgtest VMs are?
[15:44] <ginggs> you can probably infer from debian's results
[15:44] <ginggs> https://ci.debian.net/packages/o/onetbb/unstable/arm64/
[15:44] <jawn-smith> If you want to test in an environment similar to the autopkgtest environment
[15:44] <ginggs> 38-52 minutes
[15:44] <jawn-smith> openstack and juju have the different sizes: m1.small and m1.large
[15:44] <jawn-smith> most packages run on an m1.small, but big_packages run on an m1.large
[15:45] <ginggs> also in the wiki bdmurray posted ^
[15:45] <jawn-smith> There's also an m1.tiny, but I recommend avoiding that
[15:45] <bdrung> Debian CI on amd64 uses 4 threads and takes 36m.
[15:45] <bdmurray> locally I use qemu --ram-size=4096 --cpus=4
[15:46] <bdmurray> i.e. for testing amd64
[15:46] <bdrung> so the result is: ginggs is right, big_packages is better than long_tests.
[15:46] <bdrung> i'll put it on my agenda to change that (with some numbers on the runtime in the MR)
[15:46] <vorlon> jawn-smith: pretty sure we are using a custom VM type that's not an m1.small though I would have to look to see what the difference is
[15:46] <jawn-smith> ah okay, thanks for the correction
[15:47] <vorlon> also I'm not sure that 'small' and 'large' have a global definition that's guaranteed to be constant over time
[15:47] <bdmurray> `tests run on something similar to an m1.small unit`
[15:47] <vorlon> right, "similar to", uhh
[15:48] <jawn-smith> One more topic. I heard back from cpaelzer about how to tag the MIR bug so it shows up in excuses but doesn't throw off the MIR team. He suggests adding the "update-excuse" tag, tagging the parent package (mutt) and leaving it assigned to someone so it doesn't show up in the MIR team searches
[15:48] <jawn-smith> err, not "tagging" the parent package but rather marking it as "affects"
[15:49] <bdmurray> that's kind of lame
[15:50] <jawn-smith> Okay, anything else?
[15:51] <jawn-smith> #endmeeting
[15:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:51:19 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-06-02-15.03.moin.txt