[00:10] <dogmatic69> ali1234: any idea why that (if it was) ARP error is only between the two pc
[00:10] <dogmatic69> *pc's
[00:10] <ali1234> nope
[00:12] <dogmatic69> hmm, 'arp' on the server is instant. On my pc it takes 20 seconds
[00:14] <ali1234> try arp -n
[00:16] <dogmatic69> will now
[00:16] <dogmatic69> 'time arp' -> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1950993653
[00:16] <dogmatic69> arp -n is instant
[00:18] <dogmatic69> hmm, I just noticed in that paste. on my pc it does not find the name of the router, but the server has it
[00:18] <dogmatic69> server: myrouter.home pc: <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:34] <dogmatic69> ali1234: extra strange, when it is 'down' arp from pc reports myrouter.home and as soon as it is back up again the router name is gone and ip shows again
[00:35] <ali1234> sounds like a DNS/DHCP problem
[00:35] <ali1234> how long are your leases?
[00:36] <dogmatic69> I have it fixed
[00:36] <dogmatic69> not sure about leases
[00:38] <dogmatic69> well the router has the pc mac and its set to .3, server is .2
[00:38] <dogmatic69> I have various others like printer and gf laptop also fixed ip's
[00:38] <dogmatic69> turned off my iphone and printer now in case of conflicts but still the same
[00:40] <dogmatic69> HA
[00:40] <dogmatic69> ali1234: I hacked it fixed
[00:41] <dogmatic69> echo 'myrouter.home <IP_ADDRESS>' > /etc/hosts
[00:42] <dogmatic69> :( premature happiness
[01:29] <Azelphur> Anyone alive have any idea what's up with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058409/
[01:29] <Azelphur> trying to get grub to go onto someones raid array, and it's just not having it :(
[04:27] <ali1234> how can i reply to a mailing list post that was posted before i subscribed to the mailing list?
[06:46] <bubba> take me to chat
[06:46] <AlanBell> ali1234: interesting question, I can give you all the headers and x-replyto stuff
[06:47] <bubba> i would like to understand how to use this program
[06:47] <bubba> i am a tad bit confused
[06:47] <AlanBell> what program bubba?
[07:32]  * mattt is sweepy :(
[07:48] <diplo> Morning all
[07:48] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:52] <mattt> morning morning
[07:56] <bigcalm> Good mornings peeps :)
[07:58] <bigcalm> popey: pull :)
[08:08] <ali1234> HazRPG: remember flash fullscreen hack and chrome? what did you need to do to make it work?
[08:12] <ali1234> anyone got google chrome (not chromium) installed and can pastebin /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome please?
[08:12] <ali1234> it should be the startup shell script that calls the real binary
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> fullscreen hack?
[08:16] <nperry> Morning all o/
[08:18] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: you know i've told you about it several times :)
[08:18] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/workaround-for-flash-on-linux-multihead-desktops/
[08:23] <ali1234> we even discussed how i would implement it while i was working on it :)
[08:24] <ali1234> "(19:37:59) MartijnVdS: ali1234: You are a scary man."
[08:24] <DJones> Stupid MS, forgetting I was part of a trusted domain & not letting me log on to the network
[08:36] <dogmatic69> ali1234: I seem to have fixed it
[08:36] <ali1234> oh?
[08:37] <dogmatic69> not on purpose
[08:37] <dogmatic69> I read a blog, about arping
[08:37] <dogmatic69> installed that and right after if finished net went dead
[08:38] <dogmatic69> removed arping, still dead. so then added auto eth0 etc to /etc/network/interfaces and now fine
[08:39] <ali1234> that makes no sense
[08:39] <dogmatic69> well, has not died this morning yet
[08:39] <dogmatic69> I know, it makes as much sense as the issue in the first place
[08:39] <ali1234> i'm almost entirely sure the problem is caused by a rogue dhcp server or ip or mac address conflict on your network
[08:39] <dogmatic69> and the issue had been constant for over a week so it was not a once of thing
[08:43] <shauno> ali1234: if you still need it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058764/
[08:44] <ali1234> shauno: thanks. i don't see anything in there that would break the wrapper :/
[08:44] <shauno> (it says (c) chromium authors, but it is google-chrome-stable, not chromium)
[08:44] <ali1234> close enough
[08:46] <ali1234> that reminds me
[08:46] <ali1234> # We don't want bug-buddy intercepting our crashes. http://crbug.com/24120
[08:46] <ali1234> export GNOME_DISABLE_CRASH_DIALOG=SET_BY_GOOGLE_CHROME
[08:46] <ali1234> does that work with whoopsie too?
[08:48] <ali1234> no, it does not
[08:48] <ali1234> so, anyway to do that?
[09:00] <Laney> oh hey, nwolb started working!
[09:01] <popey> ali1234, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058784/
[09:02] <popey> oh, too late :)
[09:02] <gord> trying to do my coding entirely in a VM today, its actually working out pretty well :)
[09:03] <gord> will need to get more ram for it though
[09:04] <Laney> can't you access its filesystem from outside and just run the code inside the vm?
[09:04] <Laney> sounds like it would be more pleasurable :P
[09:05] <gord> that was the plan, but its running so well that i'm re-evaluating :)
[09:06] <gord> eventually i'd like to get to the point where i can leave this machine on, enable virtualbox's remote desktop thing and be able to use the nice quad core i7 here at home to build and test new code from the laptop
[09:08]  * Laney wants to start using lxc for most development stuff
[09:09] <Laney> stgraber converted me (at least in intention, if not practice just yet) at UDS
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> Laney: does that work nicely with desktop ubuntu though?
[09:10] <Laney> what's 'nicely'?
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> does it not break the desktop horribly
[09:10] <Laney> you can run apps
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> things like hot-plugging disks etc.
[09:10] <Laney> infrastructure stuff would probably still need a VM
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> Because we use openvz at work and it's very broken in all kinds of subtle ways.
[09:12] <Laney> well I've not started doing it yet, so I guess we'll find out
[09:12] <Laney> his demo just showed xeyes, so perhaps not the most stringent test :-)
[09:12] <daubers> lxc?
[09:12] <Laney> linux containers
[09:12] <daubers> ah, ok
[09:13] <gord> shows xeyes? ship it!
[09:18] <directhex> gord, sounds like wayland!
[09:20] <AlanBell> wayland \o/
[09:26] <diplo> Is it in anyway worth seeing yet ( Wayland that is ) ?
[09:26] <directhex> for most people, not until it's finished
[09:26] <diplo> Saw a demo of Gears demo running on it a while ago
[09:27] <bigcalm> Boom boom boom, let me hear you say Wayland
[09:27] <diplo> Oh dear, someones happier this morning :)
[09:27] <oimon>  is wayland named after smithers in simpsons?
[09:27] <bigcalm> It's Monday, the best time of the week!
[09:28] <oimon> got hit by a wall of crap even before i sat down today
[09:28] <gord> i vote we ban bigcalm for getting that song stuck in our heads
[09:28] <bigcalm> Bwuhahaha :)
[09:28] <oimon> oh well, my lxde lasted a week, and the desire for a modicum of bling came back, so i'm installing cinnamon
[09:28] <oimon> to see how the multi mon support is
[09:28] <oimon> and the stability
[09:29] <oimon> lxde is doing me well though
[09:29] <oimon> except i like the expose features
[09:29] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, you can run "weston" right now, but it doesn't do much
[09:29]  * diplo glad he is letting oimon do all the testing :P
[09:29] <oimon> on my work pc
[09:29] <diplo> Just searched for a few vids and yeah getting the same experience
[09:29] <diplo> AlanBell: ^^
[09:30] <AlanBell> there might be a basic system compositor based on wayland in 12.10
[09:30] <diplo> Underlying code still mainly at the mo I guess and stability rather than much to show off
[09:30] <diplo> nice
[09:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:30] <AlanBell> so that would be wayland from boot, then x runs full screen inside that
[09:30] <diplo> Nice to hear they are still going
[09:32] <gord> q:q
[09:32] <gord> i'll just move over to the vim window then.
[09:33] <DJones> This is not the terminal you are looking for :)
[09:33] <diplo> lol
[09:33] <diplo> I've just moved back to vim from IDE's for web dev / scripting
[09:51] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: just rang the quit line of virgin media in order to get through to a UK tech, drastic but it worked, and it's amazing the info they are prepared to give when you do, VM don't support phone, mac os, or linux, I did feel like pointing out that the superhub came with a gpl3 license cause it is running on linux :D
[09:59] <diplo> I always used to just say, yes I've clicked on that and yes I've done this
[09:59] <diplo> Just so I didn't go through those arguements
[09:59] <diplo> I don't need support on my OS, I am quite capable thank you
[10:00] <diplo> Then again, I spoke to quite a few guys in tech up there that actually used Linux.. so it wasn't all headbanging against the desk
[10:01] <davmor2> diplo: indeed but when they are trying to take control of your device in order to test you connection it's always good to know :D
[10:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: fun times for you
[10:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: I just got sick of getting the same junk from the indian call center, at least the English one was actually helpful
[10:04] <diplo> yeah same here, I was with Blueyonder in the early days
[10:04] <diplo> Actually got to know some of the techs by name until bugs / issues were sorted
[10:07] <gord> be were really good last time i had a problem, did it all through a web im thing
[10:12] <bigcalm> Going thought a web chat helps cut out accent troubles
[10:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: glad you're attending on Wednesday. You can see Amo's disappointment when I let him play with my SGS3 ;)
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: HAHA harsh
[10:16] <bigcalm> :D
[10:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: of course if you show off too much I'll have a look at it and break it like the one in the shop :P
[10:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm keeping my things away from you!
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: I only open youtube and the web at the same time they had to restart the phone to fix it :D
[10:27] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:27] <bigcalm> Poor
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think there was a boat load of other stuff open
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh and by the way the swipe the activity list to close works on that phone
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: so it is an ICS feature
[10:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, I notied it as well
[10:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm going to ping Motorola again today to find out where my ICS update is for the Xoom too, being as the USA has had it for a while and the USA Phones are now getting roll outs
[10:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: yay :)
[10:41] <DJones> bigcalm: davmor2 With you mentioning tablet updates, mine trnsformer got updated to 4.03 last night
[10:41] <popey> ooh, my tablet should arrive sometime
[10:41] <bigcalm> Lucky boy
[10:41] <popey> coming from china so who knows when :S
[10:41] <popey> DJones, prime or transformer?
[10:41]  * DJones offers popey some asprin
[10:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: https://www.facebook.com/121867580498/posts/10151124365075499 now to sit back and wait for a reply :D
[10:44] <DJones> popey: Transformer Prime
[10:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: you'll have a long wait
[10:45] <bigcalm> (Is my guess)
[10:47] <DJones> At least I'm assuming it was a 4.03 update, it could have just been a minor update & I hadn't noticed it was already on 4.03
[10:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: to be fair they replied within a couple of hours the last time, if you don't rant and ask sensibly I found they reply, it's the Y U NOT F********************************************* ICS ********************* yet!!!!!! they tend to ignore
[10:48] <directhex> where's ICS for my lumia 800, nokia? >8\/
[10:49] <bigcalm> Nokia do android?
[10:49] <ali1234> if they ported it to mono can't you just run it on top of winphone?
[10:49]  * AlanBell would like ICS for galaxy S2
[10:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I think directhex is being funny
[10:50] <bigcalm> AlanBell: it's already out I thought
[10:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: I see :)
[10:50] <AlanBell> without a requirement for Kies
[10:50] <bigcalm> No idea what that is
[10:50] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have you considered CynogenMod 9?
[10:50] <ali1234> AlanBell: unnofficial ICS is available for galaxy S
[10:50] <AlanBell> it is a samsung windows application to do updates
[10:50] <ali1234> dunno about S2
[10:50] <ali1234> and you don't have to use kies
[10:51] <bigcalm> Will it work in wine?
[10:51] <AlanBell> they won't do an over the air update for some reason
[10:51] <ali1234> you can use odin instead
[10:51] <AlanBell> doesn't work in wine, doesn't quite work in virtualbox
[10:51] <ali1234> odin doesn't care about signed images and such
[10:51] <ali1234> i think it's called odin
[10:51] <AlanBell> yeah, I might put cyanogenmod or an unofficial ICS build on it with odin
[10:51] <ali1234> it's the quick-and-dirty flashing util rather than the consumer one
[10:53] <ali1234> also ICS is available for N9 and N900, though it's probably extremely buggy
[10:54] <AlanBell> bigcalm: there is only a nightly build of CM9 for the S2, stable and experimental builds are CM7
[10:55] <bigcalm> AlanBell: yep. 9 isn't stable yet
[10:55] <bigcalm> AlanBell: live on the edge :D
[10:55] <AlanBell> I might
[10:55] <bigcalm> CM7.2 is 2.3.7, CM9 is 4.something
[10:55] <AlanBell> boot to gecko is my other "on the edge" option
[10:55] <bigcalm> My Nexus One won't get CM9
[10:56] <bigcalm> But that doesn't matter, my dad is having it this weekend :D
[10:56]  * dwatkins wonders if they will provide CM9 for the HTC Ace
[10:56] <ali1234> what are the requirements for boot2gecko?
[10:57] <bigcalm> Hayley wants a new phone because I have the SGS3 now. I've suggested I put CM 7.2 on her HTC Wildfire. She hasn't said no...
[10:57] <ali1234> http://www.unlimitedtips.com/2012/02/how-to-install-mozillas-boot-to.html
[10:57] <AlanBell> https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
[10:58] <AlanBell> https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/HardwareRequirements
[10:58] <AlanBell> interestingly ARMv6 so it might run on a raspberry pi
[10:58] <ali1234> what are the kernel requirements though?
[10:58] <ali1234> what graphics and telephony apis does it need?
[11:01] <diplo> bigcalm: I have 7.1 on my Wildfire I believe
[11:01] <diplo> Can't remember if it's .1 or .2
[11:02] <bigcalm> .2 went stable only recently
[11:02] <diplo> So .1 then :)
[11:02] <oimon> i hear there's some great speed improvements done by linaro guys to android..will they make a CM release?
[11:02] <oimon> witht eh improvements
[11:03] <diplo> <IP_ADDRESS>-buzz Android V : 2.3.7
[11:03] <diplo> bigcalm: One thing, if Hayley uses GPS you need to update the software for the radio as well
[11:04] <bigcalm> diplo: aha, ta for the tip
[11:04] <directhex> pfft. buy a cheap lumia!
[11:04]  * directhex flees
[11:04] <diplo> heh, took me a while
[11:05] <kvarley> Where do user applications go in ubuntu? I mean where do user specific .desktop files reside? Many are in /usr/share/applications but some apps I have installed to my user account have files elsewhere it seems
[11:05] <ali1234> ~/.local/share/applications/
[11:05] <kvarley> ali1234: Thanks =]
[11:29] <davmor2> bigcalm, popey: by the way if you have a super hub and you have any devices that use b/g lan/wireless then drop the speed from 300 to 143 or whatever it is in advanced settings and it goes faster don't ask me why
[11:29] <popey> ooh
[11:30] <popey> i get random disconnects on wifi so i mostly dont connect to it
[11:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: I don't use the superhub as a router. I have it in modem only mode and pass traffic on to something that has more brains
[11:30] <Daviey> bigcalm: And it doesn't keep crapping out?
[11:30] <bigcalm> Daviey: nope
[11:31] <bigcalm> Daviey: it's been solid in modem only mode
[11:31] <Daviey> It's how i have one here.. but reliability is less than perfect
[11:31] <bigcalm> Recently connections have taken a while to get going, but I think that's a problem with VM's network rather than my hardware set up for a change
[11:31] <davmor2> Daviey: mine is dying a death once I get to about 17:00 ie all the kids home and the adults too
[11:32] <bigcalm> Yeah, have to make the most of one's connection during the day
[11:32] <davmor2> Daviey: all I get told it there is a high utilisation issue reported against your area it will be fixed in a months time
[11:33] <Daviey> davmor2: "Ok, i'll start paying my bill in a months time"
[11:34] <davmor2> Daviey: or do what I do which is rant at the leaving depot till they put you through to the UK tech team then rant at them for 20 minutes then get  told you'll be subsidised for the month that it is known to be faulty :D
[11:35] <ali1234> ring them up and tell them your internet is too fast
[11:51] <DJones> AlanBell: Did you pick up that you can register for menshn now
[11:56] <brobostigon> can i ask someone a favour, please. do anyone have mumble installed?
[11:56] <AlanBell> brobostigon: yup
[11:56] <popey> yup
[11:56] <brobostigon> AlanBell: can you conenct to mine.taylorworld.me.uk fine. port 64738.
[12:01] <popey> :(
[12:01] <brobostigon> whats wrong?
[12:02] <AlanBell> that works
[12:02] <brobostigon> :)
[12:04] <brobostigon> AlanBell: could i be heard, ok?
[12:04] <AlanBell> I was talking to your friend, but I just got a phone call so dropped out
[12:05] <brobostigon> ah.
[12:06] <popey> i connected and spoke to someone then disconnected
[12:06] <brobostigon> ok, thank you popey
[13:17] <DJones> AlanBell: http://aggbot.com/Technology-News/article/17166802 Re Mensch
[13:17] <AlanBell> yeah, I read that earlier and had a look at the site
[13:19] <AlanBell> it is a fairly bespoke php application using jquery and a few other libraries
[13:20] <gord> oh god i finally sounded out the name of that thing... its "Mention"
[13:20] <AlanBell> with a Louise Mensch vanity twist on it
[13:20] <gord> wush dawnt weh muke hup awl owr wards?
[13:23] <nperry> Looks like the server has crashed...
[13:35] <nperry> Menshn is horrible.....
[13:42] <shauno> oh dear.  I've finally discovered why we don't like mondays.  someone's discovered a worm on a production machine, which infects via an 8 year old vulnerability in phpbb.  on a machine that shouldn't be running php, let alone phpbb, at all.  This is my sad face.
[13:44] <mattt> gord: scottish?
[13:44]  * mattt plays the sad trombone for shauno
[13:45] <gord> mattt, no, you could kind of make out what i was saying there, if it were scottish it would just be random letters
[13:45] <gord> i bet scottish people make excellent random number generators
[13:46] <mattt> oh burn
[13:47] <bou> what can stop thunderbird checking / attempting to check emails while sending error "connected to server"?
[13:48] <bou> error => message
[14:25] <brobostigon> !info flashplugin-nonfree unstable
[14:28] <Twinkletoes> In the same way that setuid and setgid, force inheritance of owner/group, is there any way to force inheritance of rwx attributes?
[14:53] <popey> AlanBell, is other alan in the office? if so, tell him we were at the dodgsons at the weekend :)
[14:53] <AlanBell> he isn't in the office, I think he is being daddy taxi driver
[14:57] <popey> ahh
[15:01] <gord> we are quite lucky there are really only three active alans around at any given time, else we'd start having to use terms like "the other-other alan"
[15:02] <bigcalm> gord: coming to the Wolverhampton on Thursday this week?
[15:04] <gord> bigcalm, nope! but i have a valid excuse other than its already thursday and i forgot this time - laptop K/L keys had a bit of plastic snap in the assembly making them almost useless. can't work on the laptop till replacement keys come in the post
[15:04] <bigcalm> gord: let you off :)
[15:05] <bigcalm> Why were you hammering kl?
[15:05] <christel> i am still jealous of your coworking days :(
[15:06] <bigcalm> christel: more reason you should move to the West Midlands and join us :)
[15:06] <gord> i wasn't, i just don't treat my laptops with much care ;)
[15:07] <gord> though... i am a vim user
[15:07] <AlanBell> christel: come and work with us for a day
[15:07] <gord> and a nethack player
[15:07] <christel> AlanBell: YES!
[15:08] <bigcalm> gord: that'll do it :)
[15:08] <christel> bigcalm: the midlands are full of the great unwashed :(
[15:08] <bigcalm> christel: if it helps, I'll have a shower tonight
[15:09] <brobostigon> is there a bank holiday anytime soon?
[15:10] <christel> not before the august bank holidays i assume?
[15:10] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:10] <brobostigon> thank you christel
[15:10] <bigcalm> brobostigon: no, but it's my birthday on Saturday
[15:11] <brobostigon> bigcalm: :), mine in a months time also.
[15:11] <bigcalm> Which other people keep reminding me about. I honestly keep forgetting about it
[15:11] <bigcalm> brobostigon: yay for getting older!
[15:11] <brobostigon> bigcalm: i will be the great old age of thirty.
[15:11] <bigcalm> 33 for me
[15:11] <popey> christel, me too
[15:12] <popey> have been considering what to do about hackspace, home working etc
[15:12] <popey> i think I'm going to press on with converting my garage to an office
[15:12] <brobostigon> bigcalm: ah.
[15:12] <christel> aw i was hoping you'd go for hackspace office-ing!
[15:12] <popey> i might do that too
[15:12] <gord> i have to have a seperate room for an office, tried just using a corner the living room  once and it drives you mental
[15:12] <popey> but I worry that i wont be able to trust the place with my computer kit
[15:12] <gord> and spend lots of lunches out away from the house too
[15:13] <popey> yeah, i have a separate room
[15:13] <christel> popey: we'd want/need lockable office space
[15:13] <popey> but under pressure to convert that into a kids playroom
[15:13] <popey> which boots me out to the garage
[15:13] <popey> which isnt a bad thing
[15:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: Oi I hope you don't think I'll be nice to you cause it's your birthday bud :D
[15:14] <christel> (the question is whether we'd need to then further divide the office space or whether we'd trust other office people i guess)
[15:15] <christel> one of the properties (the farnham one) in the space search has office space on a separate floor (with lockable doors etc) which i found quite an attractive set-up
[15:15] <popey> i thought the mytchett place was great, but people seem to not like the price
[15:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: I didn't know I was going to see you on Saturday
[15:15] <bigcalm> Ah well
[15:15] <christel> popey: is that the lindford lane one?
[15:16] <popey> yes
[15:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: no but you are on wednesday and thursday :P
[15:16] <christel> that and the farnham one are the top 2 for FC and myself (pre-viewing)
[15:17] <christel> (i'd quite like to go view those two before the next meeting -- so if you, me and alan (wood) can manage to agree on a day early next week maybe we could make an Appointment?)
[15:18] <popey> sure
[15:18] <christel> \o/
[15:18] <czajkowski> there are more alans
[15:18] <czajkowski> good lord
[15:18] <gord> you guys are lucky, i can't even convince the midlanders to go to a better coffee place :P
[15:18] <christel> czajkowski: yes! yet another with a four letter, one-syllable surname...
[15:19] <czajkowski> gord: simples move down this way :)
[15:19] <christel> (one of these days i will change my name to Alan Fake by deedpoll)
[15:19] <christel> just to fit in like
[15:19] <brobostigon> deedpoll. :)
[15:20] <christel> gord: start a hackspace and get some office space with it ;)
[15:20] <christel> gord: also i found the naysayers became much more positive and receptive after feeding them brownies!
[15:21] <DJones> I'm looking forward to this arriving http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46227/sky-go-ics-coming-soon
[15:27]  * daubers considers finishing work for the next two weeks \o/
[15:30] <bigcalm> For good?
[15:31] <daubers> Nope, two weeks of holiday
[15:31] <bigcalm> Oh, for
[15:31] <daubers> \o/
[15:31] <bigcalm> Missread it as quitting :)
[15:31] <daubers> heh :)
[15:32] <daubers> Nope, seriosul;y looking forward to holiday after 3 months of buying house/mending house/waiting to see if my brain is eating itself/finding out my brain isn't eating itself/mega stress at work
[15:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod!
[15:33] <bigcalm> Grrr. Why aren't these rewrite rules being followed on the live server?
[15:33] <bigcalm> Works fine on test
[15:33] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrro
[15:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: because it hate you, hate it back it works for me
[15:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: here borrow MjĂ¶lnir off me just give the server a tap on the top right hand corner and it should start behaving
[15:35] <bigcalm> Nerd
[15:35] <bigcalm> :P
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: biggest hammer I could think of :D
[15:42] <daubers> davmor2: Biggest hammer I could think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
[15:44] <davmor2> daubers: haha
[15:48] <daubers> Out of office set, all bzr repos pushed. HOLIDAY TIME!!!!
[15:48] <daubers> WOOOOO
[15:51] <christel> i want a holiday!
[15:51] <bigcalm> Aha. The .htaccess file is being ignored. I bet it's because it's using the SSL host
[15:51] <bigcalm> daubers: have fun :)
[16:15] <bigcalm> It's 5.15pm. I can't be doing with the rest of the day
[16:15] <DJones> Go to bed then
[16:16] <bigcalm> The rest of the work day that is
[16:16] <DJones> 7 hours sleep, it'll be tomorrow, a nice early start
[16:16] <bigcalm> All 45mins of it
[16:16] <DJones> Is it tht bad a day
[16:16]  * IdleOne authorizes christel's vacation request
[16:16] <gord> if daubers gets a holiday i want a holiday, its not fair
[16:16] <gord> bring enough for the entire class
[16:17] <bigcalm> DJones: na, just feeling lethargic after getting a client's site updated with several months of development
[16:17] <bigcalm> 45mins and I can then work on a more interesting project
[16:17] <bigcalm> That strangely requires me to use Unity
[16:19] <gord> hurrah
[16:20] <bigcalm> Might treat myself to chicken meat and chips
[16:20] <bigcalm> Mmmm, fatty
[16:20] <gord> been thinking about playing with the other Unity, might schedule myself a bit of a programmers holiday sometime later in the year and make a fun little game with it
[16:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: Oh shut up and play on your new phone ;)
[16:20] <gord> what i miss from freelancing, can't just decide i'll take this week off to learn something new
[16:20] <bigcalm> So Unity coming to Unity isn't at all confusing :)
[16:21] <gord> the other unity is only on Unity 3.5, soon to be 4.0, we are on 5.0, obvs better.
[16:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: get it right Unity 4 3d is coming to Unity 5.x sometime soon
[16:23] <gord> unity does have weird licencing, you can get the pro version for $1500 or the free version which can render the equivilent of glxgears
[16:26] <czajkowski> gord: do you actually take holidays ?
[16:27] <gord> i do! but i'm often busy =\
[16:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: no he just codes on non-work related stuff
[16:31] <gord> i actually have a fun trip to south korea later in the year
[16:32] <gord> though they have fantastic internet there and its a long flight, so i'll still code things
[16:32] <davmor2> hahahahahahaha see
[16:42] <bigcalm> Sounds like me
[16:42] <bigcalm> I got away with working on the trip to Northern Ireland. But it was a no-no once we were there
[16:52]  * popey tickles bigcalm
[16:52]  * bigcalm hazars!
[16:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: so was the SGS3 worth it?
[16:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: worth it in which sense?
[16:55] <bigcalm> popey: was that a code or mc tickle?
[16:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: the hype, the wait, the features etc etc etc
[16:57] <bigcalm> Ah
[16:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, I'm glad I waited. Despite its size, it's more comfortable to hold than the HTC One X. I rarely listen to hype, went on features and longevity for CyanogenMod use in a year or so. Haven't used every bit of the phone yet, so can't comment on features. Overall I'm quite happy
[16:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: you're useless you've had it longer than ten minutes you should of used everything in that time ;)
[17:00] <bigcalm> Ha
[17:02] <popey> bigcalm, neither, busy busy right now.. will be coding later though, no minecraft until code is done
[17:02] <bigcalm> popey: sensible lad!
[17:02] <bigcalm> I'll do some coding after tea
[17:03] <bigcalm> Speaking of which, I'm home alone
[17:03] <bigcalm> Chinese takeaway or chippy?
[17:03] <jacobw> thai, if available
[17:03] <jacobw> less guilt
[17:07] <bigcalm> No thai around here that I know of :(
[17:09] <bigcalm> I'd have to drive to Telford for Thai :(
[17:17] <christel> mmm thai
[17:18] <Azelphur> Trying to install Ubuntu on a machine that has intel fakeraid, grub just will not install :(
[17:18] <Azelphur> even with boot-repair, it still won't install. Any ideas?
[17:29] <Azelphur> where's all the GRUB experts when you need them :P
[17:32] <diplo> evening all
[17:33] <Azelphur> AlanBell: afternoonings :p
[17:34] <AlanBell> don't you just hate it when you sudo halt in the wrong window
[17:34] <jpds> Azelphur: #ubuntu-boot ?
[17:35] <Azelphur> haha
[17:35] <Azelphur> jpds: good idea, I'll head there
[17:35] <Azelphur> jpds: YOU LIED TO ME, there's one person in that channel :(
[17:35] <Azelphur> and I think it's a bot.
[17:35] <jpds> Last used  : Sep 16 14:20:05 2009
[17:35] <Azelphur> lol
[17:36]  * AlanBell needs to hassle someone about a bootup bug
[17:36] <AlanBell> quantal is booting silent at the moment
[17:45] <Azelphur> nobody can help me with grub on raid? :(
[17:59] <davmor2> gord: can wed expect to see you on Thursday that'll be the day after Wednesday :D
[18:08] <popey> Azelphur, when you say "intel fakeraid", how has the raid been setup?
[18:08] <Azelphur> in the bios utility, the raid the motherboard has built in
[18:08] <popey> no, i mean, how are the disks laid out
[18:09] <popey> what raid level etc
[18:09] <Azelphur> one striped array and one mirrored array
[18:09] <popey> ok, why?
[18:09] <popey> is it dual-boot?
[18:09] <Azelphur> yes, dual boot
[18:09] <popey> windows?
[18:09] <Azelphur> and as for why I dunno, it's not my raid :)
[18:09] <Azelphur> yep, windows
[18:09] <popey> ok, so I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole
[18:09] <Azelphur> lmfao
[18:10] <IveBeenBit> Striped array is for running the OS/applications for massive speed and performance gains. The mirrored one is for holding data exclusively
[18:10] <Azelphur> ^ it's his raid :P
[18:11] <IveBeenBit> Works great in windows. :-P
[18:11] <popey> use windows then :p
[18:12] <Azelphur> that's a bit like saying norton works great in windows
[18:12] <popey> fakeraid is not a great solution
[18:12] <Azelphur> that's good and all...but why would you want it
[18:12]  * Azelphur told him that
[18:12] <popey> we can support it with dmraid in linux
[18:12] <popey> but I personally wouldn't
[18:12] <popey> its not reliable enough
[18:12]  * Azelphur told him that too
[18:12] <popey> ^5
[18:12] <Azelphur> :D
[18:12] <popey> is it a clean install or an old one?
[18:12] <popey> (of windows)
[18:13] <IveBeenBit> it was clean I built the computer myself liek 2 or 3 weeks ago
[18:14] <IveBeenBit> I partitioned the drive for Ubuntu last night, using the windows disk manager, if tha tmakes a difference
[18:14] <popey> it makes no difference really
[18:14] <popey> personally I wouldn't use dmraid, but for better performance use an SSD for the OS (and apps) and spinning rust for data
[18:14] <popey> and backup regularly
[18:15] <Azelphur> popey: exactly what I said/do, ssd+rsnapshot :D
[18:15] <popey> on my windows/ubuntu dual boot box I have one SSD, which is split, half windows, half Ubuntu for booting
[18:15] <popey> then another 1TB disk for the data
[18:15] <popey> and its all backed up to another host/disk
[18:16] <IveBeenBit> maybe 1 day I will get there. For now I am just tryin gto give linux a whirl. I haven't used unix stuff since college 12 years ago
[18:16] <popey> fakeraid mirroring is largely useless, most people I know who have used it and had a failure have never managed to get data back from the mirrored part
[18:16] <popey> sorry to be all downer about it :(
[18:16] <jacobw> mdraid?
[18:16] <Azelphur> popey, pro at saying all the things that I said :D
[18:16] <Azelphur> I very nearly had data loss on fakeraid myself
[18:17] <popey> mdraid is no good for windows
[18:17] <jacobw> oh, nevermind windows :p
[18:17]  * jacobw loses interest
[18:19] <popey> if I were you IveBeenBit I'd ditch the fakeraid and just have one disk for ubuntu and one for windows
[18:19] <Azelphur> same
[18:19] <popey> if you need lots more space for windows than Ubuntu (maybe for games) then make windows all of one disk and partition a chunk of the other disk as FAT
[18:19] <popey> to share between windows and ubuntu
[18:19] <popey> so disk 1 is all windows
[18:20] <popey> disk 2 is part ubuntu, mostly FAT
[18:20] <Azelphur> haha, PvP in my minecraft server is hotting up, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10108741/2012-06-25_00.38.52.png
[18:21] <IveBeenBit> OK maybe I will do that. I gotta decide how badly I want to get into this linux stuff. I liked the interface when I was using a live CD, figured I had plenty of spare room to put linux on
[18:21] <IveBeenBit> give it a try, get used to it, maybe just go straight linux down the road once I got used to it
[18:21] <popey> yeah
[18:22] <Azelphur> that's pretty much what I did :)
[18:22] <popey> if you have an old hard disk, chuck that in as well, install ubuntu on that to keep it separate from what you already have setup
[18:22] <popey> then if you dont like it you can yank the disk, no harm done
[18:22] <popey> and near zero effort
[18:22] <IveBeenBit> hmmmm
[18:22] <IveBeenBit> maybe I can do that
[18:23] <IveBeenBit> I already have 5 HDs in this computer, but I think I have some more SATA ports for more
[18:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:24] <IveBeenBit> I can check the manual to make sure it can handle it, and maybe try to buy a used hard drive from someone or something
[18:26] <popey> blimey, 5 drives!?
[18:26] <popey> I have reduced all mine down, and put the storage in a server
[18:26] <Azelphur> I have 5 too
[18:26] <IveBeenBit> I was going to do that, but decided to make this computer act like a server as well
[18:26] <Azelphur> 1tb x 2 500gb x 2 + ssd
[18:27] <IveBeenBit> mine is similar to Azelphurs, but all my spinning drives are on 2 different RAID arrays
[18:29] <IveBeenBit> yeah my mobo has space for 2 more SATA connections.  But maybe I can put ubuntu on that
[18:30] <Azelphur> :)
[18:30] <IveBeenBit> what's 1 more hard drive?
[18:30] <Azelphur> or ditch the fakeraid before you loose all your data
[18:31] <IveBeenBit> I like my fake raid
[18:31] <Azelphur> you won't when you loose all your data :P
[18:32] <IveBeenBit> like I explained the striped one has got stuff that can be replaced without much work. I'm sort of expecting that one to go down in flames in a year or two
[18:32] <IveBeenBit> (old disks)
[18:39] <IveBeenBit> Azelphur: what was the name of that backup software for linux?
[18:39] <Azelphur> rsnapshot
[18:39] <gebbione> any suggestion on a software to handle microsoft money formats?
[18:41] <diplo> I think a lot of them do
[18:41] <diplo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786436
[18:42] <diplo> Few on that list do for sure
[18:42] <gebbione> i ll try gnucash
[18:43] <diplo> thats the standard Gnome one from memory, not looked at them in a while.
[18:47] <bigcalm> popey: buzz me when you're free
[19:03] <Nafallo> popey: ping (re: esata on the hp micro server)
[19:04] <popey> wassup?
[19:04] <Nafallo> popey: have you got it working at all?
[19:04] <Nafallo> :-)
[19:04] <popey> yes
[19:04] <Nafallo> did you have to do anything peculiar?
[19:04] <diplo> I didn't but also didn't spend much time trying :P
[19:04] <popey> note that the esata port doesn't support pm
[19:04] <popey> so you can connect one single drive to it
[19:04] <Nafallo> I thought it was supposed to be plug'n'play, not pray.
[19:05] <popey> wfm
[19:05] <Nafallo> oh. hrm.
[19:05] <Nafallo> that could well be it...
[19:05] <popey> you can't connect an array to it
[19:05] <popey> you have to use a card
[19:05] <popey> my array came with a two-port esata card
[19:05] <Nafallo> I tried my DAS200
[19:05] <Nafallo> well. damn
[19:06] <popey> did it not come with a card?
[19:06] <Nafallo> now I've spent ÂŁ3 on a cable...
[19:06] <Nafallo> no.
[19:06] <Nafallo> you know my DAS200!
[19:06] <Nafallo> you suggested I'd buy it a few years back :-P
[19:06] <popey> i have a das400
[19:06] <popey> or 401
[19:06] <Nafallo> I know :-)
[19:06] <popey> cant remember
[19:07] <Nafallo> I guess that doesn't work with the eSATA either :-P
[19:07] <popey> it works with an esata card, yes
[19:07] <Nafallo> makes me wonder if it would work if I had an array on it.
[19:07] <Nafallo> meh
[19:07] <popey> and "works" with the onbard esata
[19:07] <popey> where "works" means you only see one drive
[19:07] <Nafallo> "works"?
[19:07] <Nafallo> I see no drive.
[19:08] <Nafallo> it is supposed to come up as /dev/sdX ?
[19:08] <popey> as you'd expect, yes
[19:08] <Nafallo> hrm. it doesn't :-P
[19:09] <diplo> yeah the onboard didn't work on mine either, I may go and try to fix it in a min
[19:09] <diplo> Give me something to do whilst kids are in bed :)
[19:09] <Nafallo> diplo++
[19:10] <Nafallo> popey: to be fair, mine is the 1.5GHz version...
[19:10] <popey> Nafallo, lspci?
[19:10] <bigcalm> When will 10.04 LTS server be able to upgrade to 12.04 LTS server?
[19:10] <popey> it already can
[19:10] <Nafallo> bigcalm: at 12.04.1
[19:10] <diplo> .1 I thought ?
[19:10] <popey> we just enable it at the .1 release
[19:10] <Nafallo> unless you mean -d
[19:10] <popey> you can do it any time before then
[19:11] <bigcalm> I see
[19:11] <diplo> Best thing to do from 11.04 ?
[19:11] <popey> diplo, server or desktop?
[19:11] <Nafallo> diplo: 11.10 â†’ 12.04
[19:11] <diplo> server on my HP Micro
[19:11] <popey> yeah, 11.04 -> 11.10 then plough right on to 12.04
[19:11] <popey> alan@homeserver:~$ lspci | grep ATA
[19:11] <popey> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[19:11] <popey> 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01)
[19:11] <bigcalm> How do I do so without getting the 12.11?
[19:11] <popey> you wont get 12.10
[19:11] <bigcalm> 10 even
[19:12] <popey> try it and see :D
[19:12]  * bigcalm pokes apt-get
[19:12] <Nafallo> nafallo@wolf:~$ lspci | grep ATA
[19:12] <Nafallo> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[19:12] <bigcalm> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" doesn't get me anything
[19:12] <diplo>  lspci | grep ATA
[19:12] <diplo> 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[19:12] <popey> it wont
[19:12] <AlanBell> do-release-upgrade -d
[19:12] <popey> thats not how you upgrade
[19:12] <AlanBell> with sudo
[19:13] <bigcalm> I see
[19:13] <popey> !upgrade
[19:13] <diplo> Samea s you Nafallo
[19:13] <popey> read that
[19:13] <bigcalm> I haven't upgraded any servers before :)
[19:13] <Nafallo> diplo: and popey as well...
[19:13] <popey> 00:11.0 0106: 1002:4391 (rev 40)
[19:13] <diplo> he had an extra line
[19:13] <popey> same PCI ID?
[19:13] <popey> diplo, i have two cards
[19:13] <diplo> ah :D
[19:13] <diplo> Sorry missed that bit
[19:14] <diplo> I'll find drive in a mo and test
[19:14] <Nafallo> 00:11.0 0106: 1002:4391 (rev 40)
[19:14] <popey> [693045.674945] [Firmware Bug]: APEI: Invalid bit width + offset in GAR [0xd7fc2210/32/0/1/0]
[19:14] <popey> nuice
[19:14] <popey> nice even
[19:15] <popey> filling up my dmesg
[19:15] <Nafallo> popey: you reckon I need something extra installed which I haven't?
[19:15]  * popey shrugs
[19:15] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1059588/
[19:15] <popey> thats my lsmod
[19:17] <diplo> Just need to find powersupply now, harest job i think
[19:17] <diplo> :)
[19:18] <Seeker`> I think we need to reset the internet
[19:18] <Seeker`> too many wrong people
[19:18] <popey> xkcd 386
[19:18] <Nafallo> bah. I need to find my encrypted usb stick to download that pastebin...
[19:18]  * popey hugs 2fa.py
[19:19] <Daviey> popey: you have it as a hotkey aswell?
[19:19] <popey> :D
[19:19] <Daviey> usb pendrive? meh :)
[19:20] <Seeker`> popey: they've overrun me :(
[19:20] <Nafallo> popey: running btrfs as well?
[19:20] <popey> ya
[19:21] <bigcalm> "You have to download a total of 271 M. This download should take about 1 minute with your connection. " :)
[19:21] <bigcalm> 1 min too long
[19:22] <Seeker`> bigcalm: only 36Mbit?
[19:23] <bigcalm> Seeker`: average was 10.6MB/s, peak was about 12.somthing
[19:23] <bigcalm> Which is surprising as it's a bytemark server using the bytemark mirror
[19:28] <Nafallo> popey: quite some differences
[19:28] <popey> ?
[19:28] <popey> oh lsmod
[19:31] <Nafallo> you've got a lot more filesystems loaded than me to start with :-P
[19:32] <Nafallo> and wifi
[19:33] <Nafallo> popey: sata_sil24 is your raid card, right?
[19:33] <popey> guess so
[19:33] <Nafallo> yeah
[19:33] <Nafallo> looks like it
[19:33] <Nafallo> so yeah, nothing that helped ;-/
[19:33] <diplo> It's not detected when I plug it in, maybe a bios setting ?
[19:34] <diplo> Lots of posts on the web about it, but nearly all to do with WHS
[19:34] <Nafallo> I didn't see anything...
[19:34] <diplo> And not an answer yet
[19:34] <Nafallo> my extra stuff was things I reckoned would be there :-P
[19:34] <Nafallo> at least
[19:35] <Nafallo> vlan stuff, iptables stuff, stp...
[19:35] <Nafallo> usb_storage
[19:38] <Azelphur> is it possible to get the drivers for a netgear wg111v3 and install them manually?
[19:38] <Azelphur> can't use the hardware drivers thing because it has no internet connection of course :)
[19:39] <popey> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
[19:39] <popey> copy across on a usb stick?
[19:39] <Azelphur> sounds good :)
[19:48] <Azelphur> popey: any way to know which one?
[19:49] <popey> I'm sure there are guides online
[19:49] <popey> probably on our wiki
[19:49] <Azelphur> ok
[20:16] <bigcalm> Yay, server appears to have survived the upgrade to 12.04
[20:23] <grogoreo> hi
[20:23] <grogoreo> I'm trying to get the output from from /dev/input/event3 which is my keyboard but need to convert this: "ż˝ďż˝ďż˝" to a readable format. Any ideas?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> grogoreo: What are you trying to do? What is event3 attached to?
[20:39] <grogoreo> MartijnVdS, my keyboard. I'm trying to find the code of the key pressed. So am guessing I need to convert it from whatever it's coding in
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> grogoreo: I'd just use .. uhr
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> dumpkeys ?
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> wait
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> showkey
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> man showkey
[20:42] <grogoreo> MartijnVdS, brill! That's it, ta. When searching how to do it I found some guy's c program, which didn't work, that does this.
[20:42] <dogmatic69> popey: re: your tweet, what phone you got?
[20:42] <popey> iPhone 4S
[20:42] <dogmatic69> :O
[20:42] <dogmatic69> how did you do that?
[20:42] <popey> install U1 Files app
[20:43] <popey> it has an option to upload your pics to U1
[20:43] <popey> and you then subscribe to that folder on your computer, job done
[20:43] <dogmatic69> apt-get install ubuntuone-client?
[20:44] <popey> its installed by default
[20:44] <dogmatic69> ok
[20:44] <popey> you need to sign up for ubuntu one
[20:44] <popey> you get 2GB free storage i think
[20:44] <dogmatic69> I think I have before
[20:45] <popey> tis nice and handy
[20:45] <dogmatic69> so its like dropbox type thing
[20:45] <popey> once all mine are on my pc I import them to shotwell and delete them
[20:45] <popey> yeah
[20:46] <dogmatic69> popey: on 12.04 its not installed by default, there is an icon which then asks to install
[20:46] <popey> ah yes
[20:47] <dogmatic69> cool, i had a login already
[20:54] <dogmatic69> popey: "0 bytes of 5 GiB"
[20:54] <popey> heh
[20:55] <dogmatic69> almost 2x dropbox
[20:55] <popey> "109.2 GiB of 125GiB"
[20:55] <dogmatic69> lol
[20:55] <dogmatic69> is that a work perk?
[20:57] <popey> either that or I pay for it
[20:59] <gord> i also potentially pay for all 60+gb of u1 i have
[21:02] <Myrtti> on my Galaxy Nexus the UbuntuOne app stopped working
[21:05] <Myrtti> not too worried though, at the moment I'm still setting it up
[21:05] <diplo> Works a treat on my wildfire, glad they gave the options for different uploads
[21:05] <Myrtti> (the phone)
[21:05] <diplo> was missing at the beginning
[21:07] <gord> typically only use the phone app for photo auto uploads
[21:07] <gord> needs a poke sometimes, usually because it updated and needs restarting or something
[21:13] <brobostigon> this is hilerous, on ch4, 8 out of temn cats, they are ripping it right out of jimmy carr.
[21:15] <brobostigon> it is like the last ep of HIGNFY, with andus deayton.
[21:15] <diplo> yeah was on the other night
[21:15] <brobostigon> angus*
[21:16] <diplo> They said it's ratings went through the roof on the radio on the way home today
[21:16] <diplo> :)
[21:16] <brobostigon> :)
[21:16] <diplo> ratings = viewers
[21:16] <diplo> :)
[21:16] <brobostigon> not surprising really. :)
[21:39] <bigcalm> Spending the evening compiling and installing - not really my thing any more
[21:40] <diplo> compiling ?
[21:40] <popey> anyone fancy confirming bug 1017703
[21:40] <jacobw> i've heard there's been major advances in reversing the aging process ;)
[21:41] <bigcalm> diplo: trying to get gitlab onto my server. Requires Ruby >= 1.9.2. Ubuntu doesn't have that as a package
[21:41] <diplo> If you bring it up tomorrow popey I'll check if you don't get anywhere with it tonight.
[21:41] <popey> ta
[21:41]  * diplo googles
[21:42] <diplo> So github run on your own hardware bigcalm at a quick glance ?
[21:42] <bigcalm> diplo: yes
[21:43] <bigcalm> I'm sure that it doesn't help that I know less than nothing about Ruby :)
[21:43] <diplo> nice, funnily enough i was wondering if there was such a thing the other day when I made my first ever git commit
[21:43] <diplo> :)
[21:43] <diplo> Make that two of us, I followed a RoR tutorial a couple of years ago, that was my first and last attempt
[21:43] <diplo> :)
[21:44] <bigcalm> Right now, I'm following this to get gitlab running http://blog.compunet.co.za/gitlab-installation-on-ubuntu-server-12-04/
[21:45] <bigcalm> I'm home alone tonight, so I have no idea when I'll force myself off to bed
[21:45] <bigcalm> Might as well be productive
[21:45] <bigcalm> I was working on work until my boss told me not to
[21:46] <diplo> :D
[21:46] <diplo> I used to be like that
[21:46] <diplo> New job now and pretty much just do personal stuff if anything at all out of ours
[21:46] <diplo> Seems a good tutorial, having issues ?
[21:47] <bigcalm> Only when I try to use ubuntu packages instead of following the info and compile from source
[21:47] <bigcalm> Yeah, really messed things up.
[21:47] <bigcalm> Grrr
[21:48] <bigcalm> Starting from scratch again
[21:48] <diplo> Doing this at home ?
[21:48] <bigcalm> Yes
[21:48] <bigcalm> Well, on my bytemark server
[21:48] <diplo> When ever i do stuff like this i get a vm and a agoogle doc/word doc
[21:48] <diplo> follow tutorial and add stuff that I have had to change each time
[21:48] <diplo> And keep doing install till I get it right
[21:49] <diplo> I know i understand it then
[21:49] <bigcalm> I would have installed correctly if I had followed this from the start :)
[22:03] <bigcalm> Maybe I should spend this install time by writing in my journal
[22:04] <diplo> Im reading through Reddit UbuntuApps Showdown thing whilst I wait for kids to go back off to sleep
[22:04] <diplo> Or may just go and ring there necks :)
[22:05] <bigcalm> Doh, I should catch up on uupc. Got 3 or 4 eps to listen to
[22:05] <bigcalm> I've been busy...
[22:06] <diplo> heh, I'm totally behind as well
[22:06] <diplo> Used to listen at work
[22:06]  * diplo is going to write a xbmc app for it
[22:06] <diplo> Well try..
[22:08] <diplo> Hmm, I have an idea for an app now, I may try tomorrow night
[22:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Why do Instagram photos work? - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/06/25/why-do-instagram-photos-work/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-do-instagram-photos-work
[22:40] <Azelphur> is there any way to stop the unity side launcher from starting?
[22:50] <stuphi> q
[22:51] <stuphi> oops. Ignore me. :-)
[22:56] <Seeker`> /ignore stuphi
[23:31] <bigcalm> !ping
[23:31] <bigcalm> lubotu3: !ping
[23:34] <bigcalm> Wow, lag


[12:40] <asac> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[12:41] <asac> i think we should link that from our wiki
[12:41] <asac> and maybe feed the bot
[12:41] <asac> better point people to good solutions if they want upstream mozilla
[12:44] <gnomefreak> !firefox
[12:44] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[12:44] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> bots been fed for a while :)
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i need the link to the thunderbird one
[12:45] <gnomefreak> ok its started building
[12:46] <gnomefreak> if firefox builds ok it will be uploaded tomorrow more than likely.
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: maybe nss and nspr are stuck in NEW?
[12:59] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: they don't appear to be in gutsy's NEW queue
[01:05] <asac> ajmitch: where can i take a look at new?
[01:06] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[01:07] <asac> i will try to figure out tomorrow
[01:07] <asac> first thing
[01:07] <gnomefreak> they are upgraded and they build seperate
[01:07] <asac> huh?
[01:07] <asac> so how is the procedure?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> asac: im gonna set up gutsy/main.... repo
[01:07] <asac> i was told everything NEW in debian gets automatically synched
[01:07] <gnomefreak> asac: NEW is only for new packages right?
[01:08] <asac> nss is NEW
[01:08] <asac> definitly
[01:08] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:08] <asac> actually i could push with ubuntu versino i guess
[01:08] <asac> but there are no changes from debian needed
[01:08] <asac> so i want to sync
[01:13] <ajmitch> asac: NEW in debian doesn't get done automatically
[01:13] <ajmitch> keybuk looks over each one
[01:17] <gnomefreak> ok i guess that will do
[01:18] <gnomefreak> i cant do that can i :(
[01:21] <gnomefreak> asac: in the repo /mozilla-testing/dists/feisty   and i added gutsy in mozilla-testing/dists/gutsy   thats not gonna work is it?
[01:48] <asac> why shouldn't it?
[01:48] <asac> ajmitch: thanks
[01:49] <asac> will push this tomorrow then
[02:17] <gnomefreak> asac: the Release file in /dists/ says feisty can i just add gutsy to it? tomorrow i will post it so you can see it but tonight is getting long.
[02:18] <gnomefreak> !pastebin
[02:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:19] <gnomefreak> asac: here is the top release file. can i add gutsy 7.10 to it and do it all together? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18729/
[02:20] <gnomefreak> i should check on trunk build again tonight so i might be back
[10:09] <asac> ola
[11:27] <asac> ffox preview bug: "Context menu is too long on some pages and on others not enough items" ... what does that mean?
[11:56] <asac> is that a regression at all? or some bug?
[11:57] <asac> iceape: "    *
[11:57] <asac> iceape: "      Tabs are missing the x to close the tabs.
[11:57] <asac> " ... looks like "not a preview bug"
[11:57] <asac> !moztest
[11:57] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[11:58] <asac> we should use: Please only report regression bugs (aka bugs that work fine in current official releases)
[11:58] <asac> otherwise post a normal bug in launchpad :)
[01:34] <gnomefreak> asac: when i right click on some pages i get a very long context menu (long == from top of screen to bottom of screen) and others (like to copy and paste from a wiki it gives 5 items) and none are copy
[01:35] <gnomefreak> leave it there dont worry about it yet yesterday it worked fine but that was first time.
[01:37] <asac> what items are in there?
[01:38] <asac> just empty items?
[01:38] <gnomefreak> long or short?
[01:38] <gnomefreak> no the long one has some empty
[01:38] <gnomefreak> looks as if i would have some kind of extention but i dont have any :(
[01:39] <gnomefreak> i tried taking screenshot but was unable to capture the menu in it
[02:32] <Ashtee> Hi
[02:32] <Ashtee> I have problem with ubuntu and firefox
[02:33] <Ashtee> can anyone help me
[02:33] <Ashtee> I have AMD64
[02:33] <asac> i hope its nothing personal :) ... what is your problem?
[02:33] <Ashtee> hhh
[02:34] <Ashtee> I do not find the right flash player
[02:34] <Ashtee> when I download from adobe
[02:34] <asac> don't download from adobe
[02:34] <Ashtee> I get the message that error becuase of AMD64
[02:34] <asac> yes
[02:34] <Ashtee> where?
[02:34] <asac> no flash player for amd64
[02:34] <asac> ;)
[02:34] <asac> not from adobe
[02:35] <Ashtee> so where?
[02:35] <asac> first: send them a message that you want it :) (yes really!)
[02:35] <Ashtee> send to adobe?
[02:35] <asac> we cannot do anything about it ... they have to provide amd64 builds
[02:35] <asac> yes
[02:35] <asac> its not open source so we have no chance to fix it
[02:36] <bluekuja> asac: hello :)
[02:36] <Ashtee> what it alternative to flash in ubuntu
[02:36] <asac> bluekuja: fine
[02:36] <asac> Ashtee: some basic flash films work with gnash
[02:36] <bluekuja> asac: i talked with bddebian about the package, we are deciding about the dir GTorrentViewer or gtorrent-viewer
[02:37] <bluekuja> asac: which one is the best choice for the final package
[02:37] <Ashtee> Ok, thanks
[02:37] <asac> Ashtee: if you come back in a week maybe i can give you something to test
[02:37] <asac> e.g. so you can run x86 flash on amd64
[02:37] <asac> but not today ... sorry
[02:37] <Ashtee> Thanks. I will come
[02:37] <asac> try to install gnash from ubuntu repositories
[02:37] <asac> for the time
[02:38] <asac> and tell adobe that you want it for native amd64
[02:38] <asac> as only constant requests will make them move at some point
[02:38] <Ashtee> Thanks you all
[02:38] <asac> bluekuja: its gtorrent-viewer for me
[02:38] <asac> Ashtee: you are welcome
[02:38] <Ashtee> I have another problem with ubuntu
[02:38] <asac> bluekuja: and btw, its gtorrent-viewer when i build it ;)
[02:39] <asac> Ashtee: if its not mozilla please ask on #ubuntu
[02:39] <Ashtee> Infact I will want leave windows Xp pro and just use ubuntu
[02:39] <Ashtee> but I can use keyboard
[02:39] <Ashtee> I have danish keyboard
[02:39] <bluekuja> asac: do you believe that i tried to build it for something like 10 times?
[02:39] <Ashtee> and can type danish keys
[02:39] <bluekuja> asac: running the all sequence and trying changing the order
[02:40] <bluekuja> asac: I think I have something wrong with automake or autoconf package
[02:40] <Ashtee> but can not type 3.level keys
[02:40] <asac> bluekuja: i have really no idea why its like that for you
[02:40] <bluekuja> asac: on which OS are you building it?
[02:40] <asac> Ashtee: i can't tell ... ask on #ubuntu ... but i guess you have to install danish language support. Ask on #ubuntu on how to do that
[02:40] <Ashtee> like @
[02:40] <asac> bluekuja: feisty
[02:40] <bluekuja> asac: same for me
[02:41] <Ashtee> Ok thanks again
[02:41] <bluekuja> asac: I have aclocal-1.10
[02:41] <Ashtee> have anice day for you all
[02:41] <asac> bluekuja: what sources do you use? please provide links
[02:41] <asac> Ashtee: you too
[02:41] <Ashtee> bye and sorry for taking your time
[02:42] <bluekuja> asac: I tried doing dpkg-source -x with .orig.tar.gz and .diff from revu
[02:42] <bluekuja> and then building it
[02:42] <asac> exact links please
[02:42] <asac> maybe we use differnt ones
[02:42] <bluekuja> asac: just a moment, let me check and post them
[02:42] <bluekuja> asac: diff : http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gtorrent-viewer-0705011600/gtorrent-viewer_0.2b-0ubuntu1.diff
[02:43] <bluekuja> source: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gtorrent-viewer-0705011600/gtorrent-viewer_0.2b.orig.tar.gz
[02:43] <bluekuja> *diff.gz before
[02:43] <bluekuja> dsc: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gtorrent-viewer-0705011600/gtorrent-viewer_0.2b-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:44] <asac> honestly i don't know what you are doing ... how do you build?
[02:44] <bluekuja> command for building you mean?
[02:44] <asac> y
[02:44] <bluekuja> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[02:45] <asac> hmm
[02:45] <bluekuja> channel topic changed
[02:45] <asac> you see old topic?
[02:45] <bluekuja> nope
[02:46] <asac> gnomefreak: you see old topic?
[02:46] <asac> nevermind
[02:46] <bluekuja> :D
[02:46] <gnomefreak> old topic?
[02:46] <bluekuja> yeah
[02:46] <bluekuja> asac: you rock
[02:46] <asac> got it
[02:46] <bluekuja> :D
[02:46] <bluekuja> asac: I'm missing something?
[02:47] <bluekuja> asac: dpkg-source -x
[02:47] <bluekuja> then
[02:47] <bluekuja> I run all commands in sequence
[02:47] <bluekuja> aclocal-1.10
[02:47] <bluekuja> autoconf2.50
[02:47] <bluekuja> automake -c etc
[02:47] <bluekuja> and build
[02:47] <bluekuja> asac: same for you?
[02:48] <asac> be sure to use automake-1.10 -a -c -f
[02:48] <asac> have you started from fresh downloads?
[02:49] <asac> e.g. remove everything that is remotely named gtorrent* from your disk
[02:49] <bluekuja> asac: mmm....no, because I use a copy I have here, the original one in revu
[02:49] <asac> before you do dpkg-source
[02:49] <asac> bluekuja: i guess you mixed them up
[02:49] <bluekuja> asac: yeah
[02:49] <asac> e.g. once you updated diff.gz
[02:49] <asac> you have to start from fresh
[02:50] <bluekuja> asac: so I can't have folders with something related to gtorrent in my pc'
[02:50] <asac> hehe
[02:50] <asac> actually you can
[02:50] <asac> just remove everything from the directory where you build
[02:50] <asac> and redownload fresh
[02:50] <asac> this fixed things for me
[02:51] <asac> i guess that your diff.gz you think is original revu isn't original anymore
[02:51] <asac> thats the only think i can guess
[02:51] <asac> as i did it twice the way above
[02:51] <asac> and computer are luckily deterministic machines ;)
[02:51] <bluekuja> asac: it must be correct
[02:51] <bluekuja> asac: :D
[02:52] <bluekuja> asac: let me give a try
[02:52] <bluekuja> asac: gonna ping you soon!
[02:52] <asac> sure
[02:52] <bluekuja> ty
[02:57] <gnomefreak> asac: should i add 7.10 and gutsy to top release file?
[03:00] <asac> give it a try
[03:01] <asac> did you ask to get debarchiver?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> i havent gotten that far. the config for that is hard BTW. i will look at that more deeply next week
[03:04] <gnomefreak> trunk is uploaded ill be in and out trying to get ready for tomorrow
[03:04] <asac> ok
[03:08] <bluekuja> asac: which diff did you used for your build?
[03:08] <bluekuja> *use
[03:16] <asac> can't tell
[03:17] <asac> the onw that was on the summary page
[03:17] <asac> if you don't bump version on reupload it might be hard to say
[03:17] <asac> if you change changelog date: -- Andrea Veri<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:41:00 +0200
[03:18] <asac> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4901
[03:18] <asac> i think that one
[03:18] <asac> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gtorrent-viewer-0704241700/gtorrent-viewer_0.2b-1.diff.gz
[03:19] <bluekuja> orig.tar.gz from there too?
[03:19] <asac> looks like you use a different one
[03:19] <asac> yes
[03:19] <asac> all from there
[03:19] <asac> because thats what you showed me
[03:19] <bluekuja> perfect
[03:20] <asac> how do people add comments to revu ?
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: you have to be reviewer joining motu
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: but I think you can ask for permission too
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: you're a debian developer so it wouldnt be a problem
[03:20] <asac> i am in revu team?
[03:20] <asac> :)
[03:21] <bluekuja> :D
[03:21] <asac> i mean .. i am already a team member
[03:21] <asac> what will password be then?
[03:21] <bluekuja> mmmm...
[03:21] <bluekuja> I use the one I got uploading and signing packages
[03:21] <bluekuja> but you can ask to siretart, ajmitch
[03:21] <bluekuja> to make you one
[03:22] <asac> ajmitch: how can i login to revu.tauware.de?
[03:23] <bluekuja> asac: I start with those .diff and .orig
[03:23] <bluekuja> lets see
[03:23] <bluekuja> [ajmitch]  inactive 01:52:54
[03:24] <bluekuja> asac: he's away :)
[03:25] <asac> yeah ... he will be back ;)
[03:25] <asac> its not urgent
[03:27] <bluekuja> asac: your autoconf version is?
[03:27] <bluekuja> asac: 2.13?
[03:27] <asac> yes
[03:27] <asac> no
[03:27] <asac> :)
[03:27] <asac> you must not use that
[03:27] <asac> use 2.50
[03:27] <asac> everything latest :)
[03:28] <asac> at best use versioned command
[03:28] <bluekuja> asac: mmmmm..
[03:28] <bluekuja> asac: I havent 2.50
[03:28] <bluekuja> asac: in synaptic
[03:28] <bluekuja> asac: did you get it with apt-get?
[03:28] <asac> actualy version is 2.61
[03:28] <bluekuja> exactly
[03:28] <asac> but command line is called 2.50
[03:29] <asac> just install latest for all autotools
[03:29] <asac> remove everything old
[03:29] <asac> e.g. automake-1.4 autoconf2.13
[03:29] <asac> just to be sure
[03:30] <bluekuja> asac: ok, i removed automake1.9
[03:30] <bluekuja> asac: so i need to run aclocal1.10 autoconf and automake-1.10 -a -c -f
[03:31] <asac> use autoconf2.50
[03:31] <asac> then its fine
[03:31] <bluekuja> ~/package/gtorrent-viewer-0.2b$ autoconf2.50
[03:31] <bluekuja> bash: autoconf2.50: command not found
[03:31] <asac> yeah right
[03:31] <asac> then just autoconf
[03:32] <bluekuja> building
[03:32] <asac> actually i have 2.50 ... but i guess thats because i have 2.13 installed as well
[03:32] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, maybe I'll have to install it too
[03:33] <asac> no ... i doubt that
[03:33] <bluekuja> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/37934
[03:34] <asac> yeah
[03:34] <asac> good, right?
[03:34] <bluekuja> asac: it works
[03:34] <asac> ;)
[03:34] <bluekuja> asac: you are damn good man
[03:34] <asac> add that info to changelog ... e.g. rerun autotools with latest version
[03:34] <asac> and push that info upstream
[03:35] <asac> so he releases with proper make files
[03:35] <bluekuja> asac: perfect
[03:35] <bluekuja> asac: thanks a lot for patience and for help
[03:35] <asac> sure ;)
[03:35] <asac> hope you learned to be more accurate in your steps :)
[03:36] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, thanks a lot! If i have something not clear, I gonna pm you trying to understand what I'm doing wrong
[03:36] <asac> no pm
[03:36] <asac> ;)
[03:36] <bluekuja> asac: main channel? :D
[03:36] <asac> best please ask in motu
[03:36] <asac> i am there as well
[03:36] <asac> and others might have answers as well ;)
[03:37] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, perfect
[03:37] <asac> public is always better
[03:37] <bluekuja> asac: yea
[03:37] <bluekuja> more ideas
[03:37] <asac> reduces dependencies
[03:37] <asac> on single persons et al
[03:37] <asac> right
[03:37] <bluekuja> yeah
[03:37] <bluekuja> that's right
[03:37] <bluekuja> gonna build my final package
[03:37] <bluekuja> with new changelog etc
[03:38] <bluekuja> thanks a lot again! good work and hear you soon alex
[03:40] <asac> bluekuja: have fun
[03:40] <bluekuja> asac: :)
[03:40] <asac> let me know if your package got approved :)
[03:42] <bluekuja> asac: of course, I will!
[04:49] <asac> back i guess
[04:50] <hjmf> good afternoon
[04:50] <asac> hey hjmf
[04:50] <hjmf> I guess we are having today another *doesn't work anything* day
[04:50] <asac> we have?
[04:51] <hjmf> bug 111638 and bug 111611
[04:51] <asac> is launchpad down?
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111638 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111638
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111611 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111611
[04:51] <hjmf> coredump corrupted
[04:51] <asac> ah
[04:51] <hjmf> I can't automatically upload anything
[04:51] <asac> same reporter?
[04:51] <hjmf> no
[04:51] <asac> why is that?
[04:51] <asac> forms changed?
[04:51] <hjmf> maybe some fail at LP
[04:51] <hjmf> s/fail/change/
[04:52] <hjmf> apport retracing service is not retracing :)
[04:52] <asac> hmm
[04:52] <asac> so probably launchpad really changed
[04:53] <hjmf> probably
[04:53] <asac> e.g. if launchpad integration code is broken -> apport service is broken
[04:53] <hjmf> let's wait for a fix from bughelper guys
[04:54] <hjmf> but is curious that the two retraces I've tried end up with gunzip saying CoreDump.gz: unexpected end of file
[04:56] <asac> do they know?
[04:57] <hjmf> I think is a mixture of HTMLOperations.py code changed
[04:57] <hjmf> ile "bug_tag.py", line 24, in set_tags
[04:57] <hjmf>     bug.set_metadata()
[04:57] <hjmf>   File "/home/hjmf/bugsquad_dir/dev/launchpadBugs/HTMLOperations.py", line 542, in set_metadata
[04:57] <hjmf>     lp_opener.add_handler(MultipartPostHandler.MultipartPostHandler)
[04:57] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/urllib2.py", line 339, in add_handler
[04:57] <hjmf>     handler.add_parent(self)
[04:57] <hjmf> TypeError: unbound method add_parent() must be called with MultipartPostHandler instance as first argument (got OpenerDirector instance instead)
[04:57] <asac> hmm
[04:57] <asac> where did you get that from?
[04:57] <hjmf> I'm going to figure out what changed and if it is not my fault I will report they
[04:57] <asac> i mean what url did you branch?
[04:58] <asac> afaik there has been a move of repo
[04:58] <hjmf> yesterday worked, today I did a merge w/o changing anythin
[04:58] <asac> code is now at bughelper-dev team: https://code.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/
[04:58] <hjmf> g
[04:58] <asac> where did you get what from?
[04:59] <hjmf><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:00] <hjmf> I'm reviewing and from bzr.log I've found some errors I didn't realize before
[05:00] <asac> thats now in bughelper-dev as well
[05:00] <hjmf> bzr arguments: [u'commit']
[05:00] <hjmf> looking for plugins in /home/hjmf/.bazaar/plugins
[05:00] <hjmf> looking for plugins in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins
[05:00] <hjmf> Plugin name __init__ already loaded
[05:00] <hjmf> Plugin name __init__ already loaded
[05:00] <hjmf> encoding stdout as sys.stdout encoding 'UTF-8'
[05:00] <asac> e.g. not bugsquad
[05:00] <hjmf> got branch format Bazaar-NG branch format 5
[05:01] <hjmf> opening working tree '/home/hjmf/ubuntu_bzr/python-launchpad-bugs'
[05:01] <asac> you should merge from there
[05:01] <hjmf> preparing to commit
[05:01] <hjmf> commit parent revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:01] <hjmf> Selecting files for commit with filter None
[05:01] <hjmf> [ 7126]  Wed 15:51:39.959 INFO: modified AUTHORS
[05:01] <hjmf> [ 7126]  Wed 15:51:39.971 INFO: modified debian/changelog
[05:01] <hjmf> [ 7126]  Wed 15:51:39.973 INFO: modified debian/control
[05:01] <hjmf> [ 7126]  Wed 15:51:39.976 INFO: added launchpadBugs/BughelperError.py
[05:01] <hjmf> [ 7126]  Wed 15:51:39.979 INFO: modified launchpadBugs/HTMLOperations.py
[05:01] <hjmf> check paths: None
[05:01] <hjmf> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 650, in run_bzr_catch_errors
[05:01] <hjmf>     return run_bzr(argv)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 612, in run_bzr
[05:01] <hjmf>     ret = run(*run_argv)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 304, in run_argv_aliases
[05:01] <hjmf>     return self.run(**all_cmd_args)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/builtins.py", line 2118, in run
[05:01] <hjmf>     reporter=reporter)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/decorators.py", line 165, in write_locked
[05:01] <hjmf>     return unbound(self, *args, **kwargs)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/workingtree_4.py", line 244, in commit
[05:01] <hjmf>     result = WorkingTree3.commit(self, message, revprops, *args, **kwargs)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/decorators.py", line 165, in write_locked
[05:01] <hjmf>     return unbound(self, *args, **kwargs)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/mutabletree.py", line 160, in commit
[05:01] <hjmf>     revprops=revprops, *args, **kwargs)
[05:01] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commit.py", line 332, in commit
[05:01] <hjmf>     message = message_callback(self)
[05:02] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/buil
[05:02] <hjmf> that bzr error could be due because the migration?
[05:02] <hjmf> not disturbing anymore, I'm going to change the location and see if it works back
[05:02] <hjmf> thanks asac will tell you later
[05:04] <asac> just try to pull/merge from new
[05:04] <asac> maybe you are in luck :)
[05:07] <hjmf> asac: man you were right
[05:07] <hjmf> now it's fixed
[05:07] <hjmf> :)
[05:07] <hjmf> though the two coredumps files corrupted aren't my fault :-P
[05:08] <asac> yeah ;)
[05:08] <hjmf> thank you
[05:08] <asac> np
[05:08] <asac> have you looked into code?
[05:08] <asac> e.g. my idea would be to parse stacktraces when bughelper visits them anyway
[05:09] <asac> ... then import them to some DB
[05:09] <asac> in that way we would easily get a basic stacktrace db
[05:09] <hjmf> I haven't got the time to look deep into the code, I just changed some bits for a minor function
[05:10] <asac> k
[05:10] <hjmf> you can see me now in authors :P
[05:10] <asac> is it committed?
[05:10] <asac> e.g. merged to main branch?
[05:10] <hjmf> last sunday by error, yes
[05:10] <asac> hey great!
[05:11] <hjmf> dholbach was kind enough to approve that change
[05:11] <hjmf> though was a mistake from my part as I did a wrong push
[05:11] <asac> oh
[05:11] <asac> is it now fixed?
[05:12] <hjmf> well that code worked and was left in to HTMLOperations.py
[05:13] <hjmf> revno: 6
[05:13] <hjmf> committer: H. Montoliu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:13] <hjmf> branch nick: python-launchpad-bugs
[05:13] <hjmf> timestamp: Sat 2007-04-28 09:48:42 +0200
[05:13] <hjmf> message:
[05:13] <hjmf>   include reporter's display name in the tuple that Bug.Reporter() returns (usable for automatic responses better than the LP name)
[05:13] <hjmf> was too little for being a problem :)
[05:15] <asac> sure
[05:15] <asac> but nice anyway ;)
[05:16] <hjmf> It was something I needed locally
[05:16] <hjmf> I didn't notice that I pushed upstream until d holbach told me
[05:16] <hjmf> I think I was too sleepy at that moment.
[05:17] <asac> hehe
[05:17] <asac> right :)
[05:17] <hjmf> Seriously. I will study the code and see how we can adapt it to our needs
[05:18] <hjmf> now I have to go for a couple of hours or so.
[05:18] <asac> hjmf: like what i said ... making the bughelper code parse the traces and import into a simple db would help a lot i guess
[05:18] <asac> hjmf: sleep weel
[05:18] <asac> :)
[05:18] <hjmf> asac: Agree
[05:18] <asac> hjmf: ah no have a nice day :)
[05:18] <hjmf> :)
[05:19] <asac> but one should talk with pitti first
[05:19] <hjmf> asac: do you mean the signature of the traces
[05:19] <asac> e.g. so we don't duplicate efford in case we start something
[05:19] <asac> yes
[05:19] <hjmf> maybe the first 5 stacks
[05:19] <asac> e.g. simple table: dedicated row for the first 5 stack
[05:19] <asac> then a row with complete stack
[05:20] <hjmf> that wont be a problem
[05:20] <asac> later a field for comment (e.g. what did reporter say when it happened -> like initial summary)
[05:20] <asac> and bug reference(s)
[05:20] <asac> with that we could start to do queries
[05:21] <asac> e.g. for dupes et al.
[05:22] <asac> but ... talk with pitti first ... just to be sure that it gets the acceptence and deployment it deserves :)
[05:23] <hjmf> ok, any how I have to find time from where there isn't to read all that code
[05:24] <hjmf> it is something that I wanted to do from some weeks but I haven't found the time
[05:24] <asac> hmm
[05:24] <asac> usually i just look into pieces i need to look at
[05:24] <asac> e.g. when you want to touch code
[05:25] <hjmf> ... I'm under pressure right now WE HAVE TO GO!!! says my wife
[05:25] <hjmf> you know
[05:25] <asac> sure
[05:25] <hjmf> see you
[05:25] <asac> no problem
[05:25] <asac> cu
[05:34] <gnomefreak> asac: ffox 2.0.0.x updated in bzr?
[05:36] <asac> yes
[05:36] <asac> for official upload
[05:36] <asac> gnomefreak: please lets make a ~mozillateam branch
[05:36] <gnomefreak> we have one i thought?
[05:36] <asac> where we maintain stuff which is new vs what is official
[05:36] <asac> currently you build from ~asac
[05:36] <asac> which will be what goes up to archive
[05:36] <asac> now that things go up i want to add some dangerous patches to mt
[05:37] <gnomefreak> ok that shouldnt be too bad
[05:37] <asac> i will push the current version with adapted changelog as soon as there is something we want in preview archive
[05:37] <gnomefreak> we do have 1 mozillateam branch already
[05:38] <gnomefreak> https://code.beta.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x
[05:38] <gnomefreak> its only iceape though
[05:38] <asac> yes
[05:38] <asac> right
[05:39] <asac> i will push firefox as soon as i uploaded to gutsy
[05:39] <asac> please don't respin for preview until then ... otherwise we get troubles with version et al
[05:39] <gnomefreak> i was just about to build ffox after changes
[05:39] <gnomefreak> than i wont :)
[05:39] <asac> you can ... but adjust the version to something lower
[05:40] <asac> e.g. what we have not + mtX
[05:40] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>+2.ng-0mt.5
[05:40] <gnomefreak> is what we have
[05:40] <gnomefreak> the .ng should prevent problems with versioning no?
[05:42] <asac> thats fine
[05:42] <asac> i use <IP_ADDRESS>+3 as upstream version for release
[05:42] <asac> so yours is below
[05:42] <asac> what did we have before?
[05:42] <asac> just add +1 to the mtX term
[05:43] <gnomefreak> that is the latest version in our repos
[05:43] <asac> sure ... i am currently taking care of that
[05:43] <asac> we can upload iceape then :)
[05:43] <gnomefreak> i hoping to atleast
[05:44] <asac> ok thunderbird got final fix as well
[05:44] <gnomefreak> you want me to add a +1 to the mt.6?
[05:44] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>+2.ng-0+1mt.6?
[05:44] <gnomefreak> getting a bit long
[05:47] <asac> ok there is one more fix i forgot for tbird
[05:48] <gnomefreak> oh with +1 you mean just bump .5 to .6
[05:48] <asac> yes
[05:48] <gnomefreak> i will spin it now.
[05:48] <asac> thats what i always mean by +1 :)
[05:48] <asac> increment last digit by one
[05:51] <gnomefreak> asac: you getting sources from bzr for gutsy build?
[05:56] <asac> why?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> the changelog has your version for gutsy on it from bzr so im just gonna grab the changelog from the repo and use it since im not commiting to bzr
[06:03] <gnomefreak> or i guess i could just change it leave your changes and bump version to repo version
[06:04] <asac> make version lower than what is in bzr
[06:04] <asac> everything else can stay as it is
[06:04] <asac> ok tbird is pushed to release state now as well
[06:06] <gnomefreak> ok its spinning i need to get out of here and get hair cut and stuff. ill be back later ;)
[06:09] <asac> sure
[07:00] <asac> tbird is now fine as well
[07:00] <asac> maybe it won't happen today ... but hopefully tomorrow
[07:05] <TuxRox> Hey, I am having an issue with Firefox on Ubuntu 7.04. I have assigned Shoutcast playlists in Nautilus to be opened with Beep-Media-Player, but in Firefox if I click on a Shoutcast link, it still sends the pls to Totem. Any idea where I can change that?
[07:11] <asac> totem will consume that mimetype ... probably uninstall totem-mozilla ... but then nothing will be opened in totem anymore
[07:13] <TuxRox> that is what I was afraid of.
[07:13] <TuxRox> :-(
[07:15] <asac> why beep?
[07:15] <asac> do you know streamtuner?
[07:16] <asac> you can browser shoutcast streams there and open them from there
[07:16] <TuxRox> Yes, I use streamtuner as well. I use beep with it right now.
[07:16] <TuxRox> I prefer beep to xmms
[07:25] <asac> ok will be mostly out for the night
[11:05] <asac> ajmitch: ping
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i'm setting up a blog on the planet and I'll email bugqsuad about mentoring
[11:07] <ajmitch> asac: pong
[11:07] <asac> fine ... about bughelper?
[11:08] <asac> ajmitch: hey ... how can i get an account on revu.tauware.de so i can comment?
[11:08] <ajmitch> the usual way it to upload something, I can probably create one though
[11:08] <ajmitch> email?
[11:08] <asac> how will upload set my password?
[11:09] <asac><EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ubuntu.com (i prefer the former)
[11:09] <ajmitch> it creates a random password
[11:10] <asac> its not really urgent ... for the case someone asks for help again, i can comment there
[11:10] <ajmitch> ok
[11:11] <ajmitch> keyid?
[11:12] <asac> main key?
[11:12] <ajmitch> you can try & retrieve your password, use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:12] <ajmitch> if it works, it's alright
[11:12] <asac> A824B93F
[11:13] <asac> is my main key
[11:14] <asac> ajmitch: worked ... thanks
[11:16] <ajmitch> great, you're set as reviewer so you can comment on anything
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, about bug helper
[11:29] <asac> ajmitch: first comment: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4994 :)
[11:29] <asac> ok ... out now. Admiral_Chicago go ahead ;) we look for people that maintain duplicat signatures for now, right?
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> duplicate sig?
[11:30] <asac> signatures of duplicate stack traces
[11:31] <asac> if not ... please tell me on what you want us to mentor on ;)
[11:31] <asac> maybe i missed/forget the point ;)
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> right now I'm looking to see what our clue files contain, what we can improve etc.
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> we may need to start whipping up TB ones as weel
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll have to think about it a bit more, right now I have homework to complete
[11:33] <asac> if you want me to comment on your blog post before you publish, just ask :) ... otherwise go ahead.
[11:33] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ^^
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay will do
[11:33] <asac> i am curious ;)
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i haven't started, been trying to finish this homework set for tonight.
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll highlight you when I get to it
[11:39] <asac> fine
[11:41] <bluekuja> asac: I've just looked your comment :D
[11:42] <bluekuja> asac; will have to use the diff file you linked me to prevent a huge diff.gz
[11:43] <bluekuja> asac: I'm leaving now, gonna ping you tomorrow, cya alex! night
[11:47] <asac> bluekuja: he?
[11:47] <asac> don't do that
[11:47] <asac> you need the changes
[11:47] <asac> you should just take care that upstream runs automake for next upload
[11:47] <asac> for now just fix what i commented on
[12:13] <gnomefreak> btw repo is down for a little while i have to gen release and the .gzs but i ran out of time so i will get to it before bed
[12:17] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: libnss3-dev
[12:19] <gnomefreak> ok updates are done
[12:20] <gnomefreak> see you in morning


[01:07] <Kuraokami> The factoid actually doesn't need updated, if someone did as suggested it'd actually break it.
[01:07] <Kuraokami> !+ltsupgrade
 Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, $curLTSNum "$curLTSLong", are enabled days or weeks after $curLTSNum.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[01:07] <Kuraokami> !ltsupgrade
[01:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:45] <data68> !isitout
[04:01] <michel> congrats to everyone who worked on 22.04! Back for the first time in a while on Ubuntu and it's been great since I installed it a couple of weeks ago
[04:20] <marcoagpinto> Olá!
[04:49] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[04:49] <marcoagpinto> 22.04 LTS is out
[04:50] <marcoagpinto> what was its release day?
[04:50] <marcoagpinto> what=when*
[05:29] <Maik> marcoagpinto: yesterday
[05:30] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhh
[05:30] <marcoagpinto> cool
[05:30] <marcoagpinto> is it safe to install?
[05:30] <marcoagpinto> I am about to install it
[05:30] <marcoagpinto> have just created the dynamic HDD in VirtualBox
[06:48] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhh
[06:49] <marcoagpinto> 22.04 is so beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:49] <marcoagpinto> :))))))))))))))
[06:49] <marcoagpinto> I am very impressed
[07:02] <ducasse> hi folks
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> just for a better support, these 2 bugs remain unsolved atm on jammy (on my side):
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> bug #1949183
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> bug #1969821
[09:30] <lotuspsychje>  .!ltsupgrade factoid is ready aswell :p (we will need it!)
[19:30] <ice9> marcoagpinto, what do you like the most about it?
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> ice9: it has a very good GUI and it boots faster than 20.04
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> and the shutdown has been improved
[19:45] <daftykins> more than turning off? xD


[06:34] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: not sure what you're talking about, my c720 has a super key
[12:29] <rick_h_> morning
[13:15] <_stink_> yo
[13:17] <brousch> werd up u-dawgs
[13:17] <rick_h_> ummm, woof
[13:29] <brousch> rick_h_: Very nice 3 year blog post
[13:29] <rick_h_> brousch: ty
[13:33] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: in what position is the super?
[14:29] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:31] <cmaloney> Also where is F11 and F12 on a Chromebook. :)
[15:05] <brousch> 10 Fs is enough for most people
[15:21] <jrwren> i honestly only use f11, f12 for volume up and down :)
[15:21] <rick_h_> f11 is my vim :set paste toggle
[15:22] <rick_h_> required stuff :)
[15:22] <jrwren> I type :set paste every time.
[15:42] <cmaloney> jrwren: same
[15:50] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: its the "search" key
[15:51]  * jrwren looks
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: where caps lock is on a normal keyboard
[15:51] <cmaloney> Wow, I'm not sure what would drive me more nuts: caps-lock or super. :)
[15:51] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: ah, probably fine for a 1-off laptop, but for real work that key is ctrl as the ADM-3A teaches us.
[15:51] <rick_h_> +1
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> yea i used to map that key to ctrl
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> now i obviously need it to be super
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> i mapped right-alt to ctrl
[15:52] <jrwren> i believe chome books spec it that way just so they aren't useful for power users.
[15:52] <mrgoodcat> easily reachable with thumb
[15:52] <cmaloney> All hail the ADM-3A, keyboard layout that we should all aspire to be
[15:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: because there is no way we have learned more about keybaords in the last 40 years :)
[15:56] <cmaloney> I think most folks who did keyboard science / ergonomics back in the day would say we've horribly regressed
[15:57] <cmaloney> Much the same as the phone comfort research
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> are there any KBs available today with tht layout?
[15:57] <rick_h_> maybe :P
[15:57] <rick_h_> cmaloney: especially with the folks going tablet crappy keyboard
[15:57] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Yep
[15:57]  * rick_h_ says as he checks if the damn folio keyboard cover is out YET!
[15:58] <cmaloney> But there's little chance of the "Road Warrior"-set carrying around a 20lb keyboard with mech. switches.
[15:58] <rick_h_> definitely
[15:58] <rick_h_> and it's more like 3 or 4 :P
[15:58] <rick_h_> but mainly won't fit in carry on well
[16:00] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Yeah, no doubt.
[16:00] <cmaloney> Even 10keyless.
[16:00] <mrgoodcat> get thought control
[16:01] <mrgoodcat> on a more serious note, have you seen that guy that codes using voice control?
[16:01] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, that'll work
[16:01] <cmaloney> I saw something like that around 2007
[16:01] <cmaloney> ish
[16:01] <cmaloney> Maybe 2009
[16:01] <cmaloney> at the time I was doing Perl and thought it was going to be my own version of hell. :)
[16:02] <mrgoodcat> theres a talk about it floating around somewhere
[16:02] <cmaloney> Thing is I type faster than I can talk, at least when it comes to symbols
[16:02] <cmaloney> !@#$%^&*()
[16:03] <cmaloney> vs. Bang At-sign, pound-sign, etc.
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> he used a made up language
[16:03] <cmaloney> Amperssaaaaannnnd
[16:03] <cmaloney> Oh great
[16:03] <cmaloney> So it's the same as Palm Graffiti
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> he was super fast actually
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> for voice anyways
[16:04] <cmaloney> I don't doubt it
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> he claims to be as fast with voice as he is with kb
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI
[16:06] <cmaloney> Will have to look at that later.
[16:06] <cmaloney> Until then I'm stuck typing. :)
[16:07] <cmaloney> I think a mind-controlled computer would both be awesome and suck at the same time
[16:07] <cmaloney> awesome because I could think out what I want to have happen
[16:07] <cmaloney> and suck because half-way through my mind would wander and the computer would dutifully comply
[16:08] <cmaloney> (taking notes, taking notes, I wonder about... Dammit)
[16:41] <mrgoodcat> yea it would take either some epic self control or something like palm-rejection on trackpads
[16:41] <mrgoodcat> but for wandering thoughts
[16:41]  * mrgoodcat begins to wonder how he would detect on-topic thoughts...
[16:44] <cmaloney> Um, no Squeezebox, we're not doing Mozart's Mass in C minor this morning
[17:04] <jrwren> i miss graffiti. I still print incorrectly due to learning graffiti
[17:45] <mrgoodcat> how can you learn graffiti? isnt the whole point that its unique?
[18:02] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: grafiti was the name of the palm pilot hand writing recognition syste.
[18:09] <brousch> jrwren: No. You now print correctly because of graffiti. everyone else is wrong
[18:25] <jrwren> brousch: given how rarely I print, I don't think it matters much. I could probably correct myself with some drills and a day or two of training.
[18:31] <cmaloney> My handwriting suffered a bit from learning graffiti
[21:37] <mrgoodcat> anybody know how long a pi can reasonably be expected to last on a 3700mah battery
[21:38] <mrgoodcat> ?
[21:43] <cmaloney> not sure
[21:43] <brousch> Depends on what is running and usb peripherals and wifi ...
[21:57] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: such a good question!
[21:57] <jrwren> does the ARM on a pi have cpu power saving features like an intel? might it also depend on cpu load?
[21:58] <cmaloney> I think the best way would be to experiment


[13:14] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[13:14] <Cust0sLimen> I want to use rhel-guest-image-7.0-20140930.0.x86_64.qcow2 on libvirt directly
[13:15] <Cust0sLimen> so I found some info regarding cloudinit http://blog.oddbit.com/2015/03/10/booting-cloud-images-with-libvirt/
[13:15] <Cust0sLimen> it says you create a iso with some files in and then put it in vm cdrom
[13:15] <Cust0sLimen> what I want to now though is - is there some other way to do this except for ios ?
[13:15] <Cust0sLimen> what I want to now though is - is there some other way to do this except for iso ?
[13:15] <Cust0sLimen> can't I run some webserver or something ?
[13:16] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: well, there are many datasources - the question is what is available at a usual qemu/libvirt level
[13:16] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html
[13:17] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: the link you posted creats a config drive
[13:17] <Cust0sLimen> yeah
[13:17] <Cust0sLimen> so I basically want same but not a iso but rather like webserver or something
[13:19] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: in general there are e.g. http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/openstack.html
[13:19] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: also aws and google sources are network based
[13:19] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: yet - be aware
[13:19] <Cust0sLimen> hmm ok
[13:19] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: these cause all sort of issues (slow boot by probing all), potential security risks of people insering configs, ...
[13:20] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: therefore most of these have extra checks to only access them if in the right env
[13:20] <Cust0sLimen> but then I have to have openstack metadata service running ?
[13:20] <cpaelzer> Well you could also mimic it, but I'd expect more guards to those network services to appear which makes it even harder to use
[13:22] <cpaelzer> I can't find the right link at the moment, but we are working on guarding that more
[13:23] <Cust0sLimen> ok let me rather just do ios
[13:23] <Cust0sLimen> iso*
[13:23] <Cust0sLimen> config disk
[13:48] <Cust0sLimen> so where is the allowed values/schema for the meta-data and user-data files on config disk ?
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: only see your question now
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: you mean on-disk like the config-disk as iso?
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Cust0sLimen: or if you modify the target image?
[15:44] <Cust0sLimen> cpaelzer, no on config-disk ISO
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Most is really reachable from http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html
[15:44] <cpaelzer> let me check
[15:44] <Cust0sLimen> but actually nvm, the right way to do it is virt-customize I think
[15:45] <Cust0sLimen> I'm using that now
[15:45] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:45] <cpaelzer> smoser: if you read abcklog is there anything you might add?
[15:45] <Cust0sLimen> it can set root password and add keys which is fine
[15:45] <cpaelzer> I happen to miss the wider scope sometimes but smoser has it


[12:34] <miketech> Hi
[12:34] <kafeine> hello
[12:35] <miketech> have just seen the ubuntu artwork variation of art.gnome.org
[12:35] <miketech> when will art.ubuntu.com be online?
[01:05] <kafeine> it's a good question
[11:46] <klepas> moin
[11:55] <miketech> Hi
[11:56] <klepas> :-)
[12:05] <lllmanulll> Hey there, anyone can give me a status on *applications* icons ? I'd love to help, since i saw lots of applications icons look ugly when enlarged, on my system
[12:06] <lllmanulll> And there seems to be no applications icons in the Humility icon project
[12:08] <klepas> I'd love to tell you, but I'm somewhat after the answer m'self too... :-(
[12:08] <lllmanulll> All right, let's wait for somebody more informed :)
[12:09] <klepas> we might be waiting for a long time
[12:09] <klepas> someone told me the art team got reformed
[12:09] <klepas> or something along those lines
[12:09] <lllmanulll> oh, well
[12:10] <lllmanulll> Then I guess I'll start working on these icons anyway :)
[12:10] <klepas> good luck :-)
[12:10] <klepas> show us what you've got afterwards :-)
[12:10] <lllmanulll> Thanks
[12:10] <lllmanulll> I'll put this on a webpage
[12:11] <klepas> Sure
[12:11] <klepas> got one now?
[12:18] <lllmanulll> Yep, but no icons on it yet
[12:18] <klepas> linky?
[12:18] <lllmanulll> I've been working on the gnome-panel
[12:18] <klepas> :-)
[12:18] <lllmanulll> Here :
[12:18] <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomePanelEnhancementsIdeas
[12:19] <lukacu> lllmanulll: please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HumilityIcons when you start working ... to "reserve" the icon/icons :)
[12:19] <lllmanulll> lukacu, I'd love to, but I'll be working on applications icons, and these are not listed on this page...
[12:20] <lukacu> you can add them ...
[12:20] <lllmanulll> Oh, all right :)
[12:20] <lllmanulll> But is this page still relevant ?
[12:21] <lllmanulll> It seems that the team is not very active...
[12:21] <lllmanulll> Is it ?
[12:24] <klepas> that panel stuff is really darn good
[12:24] <klepas> userfriendly, usable and logic ideas
[12:24] <klepas> ought to be implemented :-)
[12:24] <klepas> hope they appear in breezy
[12:25] <ogra> lllmanulll, doe the sudo stuff work ?
[12:25] <ogra> does even
[12:26] <lllmanulll> Thanks ! :)
[12:26] <lllmanulll> Yes, it works on Ubuntu
[12:26] <lllmanulll> It is simply based on the admin group
[12:26] <ogra> great :) its  an essential bit for edubuntu....
[12:26] <klepas> nice
[12:26] <lllmanulll> But I'm still speaking with people from freedesktop to let it inside their specs
[12:26] <klepas> cool
[12:26] <klepas> keep us updated
[12:27] <klepas> ;-)
[12:27] <lllmanulll> Sure :)
[12:27] <lukacu> lllmanulll: dont know ... ive started it because there was a need for sychronisation of work ... perhaps if somebody starts using it it will become active
[12:27] <lllmanulll> All this stuff will indeed appear in breezy, except maybe the separator and the notification
[12:28] <klepas> any of you follow the kde-artists?
[12:28] <lllmanulll> lukacu, All right, I'll use it :)
[12:28] <klepas> because, sadly kde-artists mailing list just underwent a flamewar
[12:28] <klepas> :-(
[12:32] <rob^> hey theres a title now :)
[12:32] <klepas> yea
[12:33] <klepas> can't say it's exactly art related, but what the hey - it's a title nonetheless :-P
[12:33] <rob^> well its more meaningful then the one I set
[12:34] <rob^> is there even an art team yet?
[12:35] <rob^> I mean, I have to blame someone for the abundance of brown..
[12:36] <klepas> "rob^: is there even an art team yet?" - yea, I've been looking for something like that - have yet to find one
[12:36] <klepas> lol :-)
[12:37] <rob^> I might do some poking around, see what turns up
[12:37] <klepas> keep me tuned
[12:37] <klepas> if it's no trouble
[12:37] <klepas> :-)
[12:37] <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam?highlight=%28art%29
[12:40] <klepas> highlighting still on
[12:40] <rob^> just remove everything after ?
[12:40] <rob^> oh, including the ?
[12:41] <klepas> yea, I did :-P
[05:42] <miketech> hi
[07:02] <lllmanulll> Hey there
[07:02] <lllmanulll> Have a few propositions for a Firefox icon
[07:02] <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-normal.png
[07:02] <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-blink.png
[07:02] <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-small.png
[07:02] <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-foxonly.png


[15:07] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:14] <brousch> yes
[15:14] <brousch> headin to your stompin ground today - tulip time festival
[15:15] <snap-l> brousch: Oh boy oh boy!
[15:16] <snap-l> I graduated the same time that Tulip Time was happening in May
[15:16] <snap-l> Was pretty hellish
[15:21] <brousch> i can see you wandering the streets sniffing all the flowers
[15:23] <snap-l> That was the day before graduation. ;)
[18:18] <snap-l> Now to clean the vacuum cleaner
[18:18] <snap-l> I have a dust mask and verything
[18:29] <_stink_> that is a horrible task.
[19:22] <snap-l> definitely not my favorite
[21:49] <TeamXlink> I have a bunch of generic case fans from stock computers, how do I decide which ones are best to use? They are all 12 volts, and all of my computer fans will/are be/ing wired to to moltex cables (yellow and balck lines),
[21:50] <TeamXlink> They are all 12 volt and they all say there brushless.
[21:59] <TeamXlink> One of them says 0.43 A, I believe that means amps. Should I just choose the ones with the best amps?
[22:39] <Dekkard> N
[22:43] <Dekkard> Virtual keyboards suck
[23:03] <TeamXlink> Is it alright to not have an intake fan?
[23:22] <snap-l> TeamXlink: As long as you have some exhaust, you'll get some intake
[23:22] <snap-l> unless you're one of those rare people who can make an air-tight computer case
[23:22] <snap-l> just make sure that all zones are pretty cool
[23:23] <snap-l> that includes CPU, card cage, memory, and HDD
[23:23] <snap-l> Do you get anything back if you type "sensors"?
[23:26] <TeamXlink> Sweet, thanks!
[23:28] <snap-l> I'd recommend if you can, have some air blowing over the hard drives