[04:14] <Zarathuztra|2> anyone around that can help out?
[04:44] <sarnold> with what?
[08:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:04] <friendlyguy> good morning ;)
[09:08] <diytto> hi, i have my server set to only accept pubkey ssh connections, but my server seems to not be accpeting those connections for my user
[09:08] <diytto> i haven't changed anything with ssh configs, and i can still login as another user
[09:09] <diytto> however, this other user does not have sudo rights
[09:09] <diytto> any suggestions?
[09:09] <diytto> i am still open on an sftp connection with the server on the account i am lockedout of
[09:10] <friendlyguy> diytto: did you add your pubkey to authorized_keys?
[09:10] <diytto> yeah, i have had it in there since the beginning
[09:10] <diytto> i have always been able to log in with it
[09:11] <diytto> i haven't changed it in any way, yet am unable to log in
[09:11] <friendlyguy> kk, and you were able to connect with ssh via pubkey before? Or did you enter a password upon login?
[09:11] <diytto> i used pubkey previously
[09:11] <diytto> i have password disabled
[09:11] <friendlyguy> k
[09:11] <friendlyguy> did you change anything at all?
[09:11] <diytto> no
[09:12] <diytto> only thing i have done is copy the authorized keys to another user on the server
[09:12] <friendlyguy> have you tried to login to another host with this keypair? maybe something is broken
[09:12] <OpenTokix> diytto: what does ssh -vvvvv say?
[09:12] <diytto> i don't know how that would make a difference
[09:12] <diytto> same key works on another user
[09:13] <diytto> OpenTokix: i am getting nothing with that
[09:14] <diytto> it just tells me correct usage of ssh
[09:14] <friendlyguy> i think he ment to add verboooooose output to your connection
[09:14] <diytto> the exact same authorized keys works on a seperate account
[09:14] <diytto> ah okay hold on
[09:16] <friendlyguy> maybe you could also check your file permissions in ~/.ssh... should be 700 over the place
[09:16] <diytto> is there a paste tool you would prefer i use?
[09:17] <friendlyguy> i don't care, but maybe there are some "rules" in here for which pastebin to use
[09:17] <friendlyguy> ...f you want to show large texts, such as errors, use the pastebin and post the URL to the paste instead.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[09:17] <friendlyguy> from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines?action=show&redirect=IrcGuidelines
[09:17] <diytto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11695170/
[09:18] <friendlyguy> did you checkt the permissions?
[09:19] <diytto> how do i check specific permissions
[09:19] <friendlyguy> ls -la ~/.ssh
[09:19] <OpenTokix> .ssh should be 700 and files in .ssh 600
[09:19] <OpenTokix> btw.
[09:19] <OpenTokix> and owned by your user and your personal group
[09:20] <diytto> everything looks fine
[09:20] <diytto> on my end
[09:21] <friendlyguy> this last "Permission denied (publickey)."...
[09:22] <diytto> server is fine with permissions too
[09:23] <diytto> i am able to edit my authorized_hosts
[09:23] <diytto> i have an sftp connection that was open previously before this issue
[09:24] <diytto> no cli access
[09:28] <friendlyguy> could you try to use the -i (together with -vvv) option of ssh, to point directly to the right keyfile?
[09:28] <davegarath> diytto: the file name for the public keys is authorized_keys, not authorized_hosts
[09:30] <diytto> davegarath: i am using the authorized_keys file, i am tired atm
[09:30] <diytto> friendlyguy: let me try
[09:32] <diytto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11695216/
[09:36] <friendlyguy> r u using selinux?
[09:36] <diytto> no
[09:36] <friendlyguy> maybe you messed that up
[09:36] <diytto> i am on OS X, server is ubuntu
[09:36] <OpenTokix> diytto: debug1: Offering RSA public key: /Users/diytto/.ssh/diyttoaws.pem
[09:36] <OpenTokix> I am guessing that is the problem
[09:37] <OpenTokix> diytto: for the -i you have to provide the full path to the key, it will not select that name of key from your .ssh dir
[09:37] <diytto> OpenTokix: even if i am in the .ssh dir?
[09:37] <OpenTokix> I think so
[09:37] <friendlyguy> i just found one mac user with "slightly" the same problem:
[09:37] <friendlyguy> ...on my Mac, the file /etc/ssh_config had the line  PubkeyAuthentication = no   I commented out that one line, and now everything works fine....
[09:38] <OpenTokix> friendlyguy: that is not standard behaviour on the mac.
[09:38] <friendlyguy> kk
[09:38] <friendlyguy> I've got very little clue about macs
[09:39] <OpenTokix> diytto: but you might also want to check out your /etc/ssh_config
[09:39] <diytto> I've never had a problem with logging in before
[09:39] <OpenTokix> debug3: Could not load "id_rsa.pub" as a RSA1 public key
[09:39] <diytto> OpenTokix: i get the same thing with the full path
[09:39] <OpenTokix> diytto: ok, post the debug-output
[09:40] <friendlyguy> i though: "debug2: key: id_rsa.pub (0x7ff35b700140), explicit" is indicating the use of the keyfile
[09:40] <friendlyguy> maybe you could also show us some log output from the server
[09:41] <diytto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11695243/
[09:41] <diytto> i can possibly
[09:41] <diytto> where is log info located
[09:41] <OpenTokix> debug3: Could not load "/Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa.pub" as a RSA1 public key
[09:41] <OpenTokix> There is your problem
[09:41] <OpenTokix> do a ls -l /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[09:42] <OpenTokix> oh
[09:42] <OpenTokix> haha
[09:42] <OpenTokix> now I get it
[09:42] <OpenTokix> =)
[09:42] <diytto> -rw-------+ 1 diytto  staff  402 Jul 18  2014 /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[09:42] <OpenTokix> You are trying to login with your public key
[09:42] <OpenTokix> ssh -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:42] <OpenTokix> this will work
[09:42] <friendlyguy> ouch
[09:43] <OpenTokix> haha, - so easy to miss
[09:43] <diytto> still denied
[09:43] <OpenTokix> ok, now with -vvvv and see the output
[09:44] <diytto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11695253/
[09:45] <OpenTokix> debug3: Could not load "/Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa" as a RSA1 public key
[09:45] <OpenTokix> file /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa
[09:45] <OpenTokix> what does that command output?
[09:45] <OpenTokix> do _NOT_ paste your private key
[09:45] <diytto>      /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa: ASCII text
[09:45] <OpenTokix> ok
[09:45] <OpenTokix> if you look into that file
[09:46] <diytto> also, this fails with a separate pubkey on my phone
[09:46] <OpenTokix> does it start with ----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----
[09:46] <diytto> if that's helpful
[09:46] <friendlyguy> whats still bugging me, he tols us he is able to login with this same key to another user
[09:46] <OpenTokix> and proc-type 4,encrypted - etc.
[09:46] <OpenTokix> friendlyguy: I am guessing the other user is with the aws-pem-file
[09:46] <diytto> OpenTokix: it does
[09:47] <OpenTokix> ls -l /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa
[09:47] <OpenTokix> What does that output?
[09:48] <diytto> -rw-------+ 1 diytto  staff  1679 Jul 18  2014 /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa
[09:48] <OpenTokix> looks correct
[09:49] <diytto> the aws one is for an amazon server
[09:49] <diytto> fyi
[09:49] <friendlyguy> guessed that ;)
[09:49] <diytto> it's not used here
[09:49] <OpenTokix> yes, I guessed that to
[09:49] <OpenTokix> and if you do the exact same command, just switchout user@
[09:49] <OpenTokix> it works?
[09:49] <diytto> my phone has it's own pubkey and is also unable to log in
[09:49] <diytto> yeah
[09:49] <OpenTokix> ie. ssh -i /Users/diytto/.ssh/id_rsa otheruser@sameserver ?
[09:49] <diytto> to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:50] <skylite> can I enable an apache module only for one vhost?
[09:50] <OpenTokix> skylite: no
[09:50] <skylite> never? :(
[09:50] <OpenTokix> skylite: but you can do the handler only for one vhost
[09:50] <OpenTokix> skylite: so it will be effectivly "hidden" for others
[09:50] <diytto> OpenTokix: that works fine
[09:51] <skylite> so I enable a module and hide it in all the other vhosts but one?
[09:51] <OpenTokix> skylite: no, you enable module and add the handler for that module only to the vhost that should have it
[09:51] <friendlyguy> hm... you could verify if your keypair is "cool"
[09:51] <OpenTokix> diytto: hmmm
[09:51] <friendlyguy> ssh-keygen -y -e -f <private key>
[09:51] <friendlyguy> and compare this to your pubkey
[09:52] <diytto> successful connection http://paste.ubuntu.com/11695290/
[09:52] <OpenTokix> diytto: im guessing there is something wrong on the serverside in the authorized_keys file, or its rights
[09:52] <OpenTokix> lunch now, *gone*
[09:52] <skylite> OpenTokix this is a quite simple module Is that gonna work the way you suggest? https://github.com/danghvu/mod_dumpost
[09:53] <diytto> friendlyguy: they appear to be identical
[09:54] <friendlyguy> weird weird
[09:56] <diytto> okay, i have shell access through my znc
[09:56] <diytto> so i can send commands
[10:00] <diytto> friendlyguy: only the last user i added to the server i am able to log in to
[10:03] <diytto> i am afraid i must go to sleep. it's 4am here. i will try to figure this out more in the morning
[10:03] <diytto> thank's for the help you've provided
[10:03] <friendlyguy> youre welcome
[10:03] <friendlyguy> gn8
[10:05] <friendlyguy> ist sdc denn wirklich "sdc"
[10:05] <friendlyguy> oh, sry... wrong window
[10:07] <friendlyguy> hmmm :) maybe one can help me to debug my server a little further... there is a "issue" which is driving me crazy. when i first start my server i can see the post until grub is supposed to start. -> thats when my monitor goes blank. IF i restart it (using ctrl-alt-del) i can watch the POST and grub appears
[10:08] <friendlyguy> AND, if i need to reboot again: i'll get a blank screen opposed to grub. hit ctrl-alt-del again, wait for the post stuff... and grub is there again
[10:08] <friendlyguy> precisely every 2nd "attempt"
[10:33] <OpenTokix> skylite: mod_audit already does that for you
[10:34] <skylite> OpenTokix thx I'll try that one ... already trying with mod_dumpio
[10:35] <OpenTokix> skylite: http://dev.prositen.com/wp/log-post-data-with-apache/ <--- there you have how mod_security does it.
[10:35] <skylite> thx a lot
[10:35] <OpenTokix> skylite: and then you add the Secrules in your vhosts
[10:36] <OpenTokix> skylite: my collegues site =)
[10:50] <skylite> OpenTokix great writing thx it works :)
[10:52] <OpenTokix> skylite: I forwarded your thanks to my collegue
[11:14] <rbasak> dannf: thanks for the memory corruption fix for MySQL. Any opinions on me pushing this to Debian too? I'm working on Debian mysql-5.6 right now.
[11:15]  * rbasak goes for a walk/lunch while stuff builds
[14:12] <dannf> rbasak: yeah, i'd definitely +1 applying it to debian
[14:12] <rbasak> dannf: OK, thanks!
[14:13] <dannf> rbasak: also, i'd like to get it sru'd back to trusty - should i just go ahead and upload backports?
[14:14] <rbasak> dannf: that's fine - go for it.
[15:01] <friendlyguy> anybody got some experience with zfs dedup? i'd like to turn on dedup for a relative small pool ~ 2t where I'm going to store vm backups. i read that dedup takes 1-2 gb ram per tb in pool, so here max 4gb. I've got 16gb ram sitting in this machine, so looks good to me. BUT, I read on the german ubuntu wiki to "NEVER" turn on dedup.
[15:09] <ogra_> kickinz1, my ownclöoud snappy install constantly pops up an upgrade warning, are you working on a 8.0.3 snap ? (or is anyone)
[15:28] <kickinz1> ogra_, no
[15:40] <ogra_> kickinz1, well, it would be nice to have that upgraded somehow ...
[16:10] <kickinz1> ogra_, yes planned around next week.
[16:10] <ogra_> kickinz1, awesome, thanks :)
[16:10] <ogra_> if you need a tester, just ping me :)
[16:11] <kickinz1> ogra_, Ok, I'll do!
[16:27] <squisher> rbasak, another look at bcache-tools please... someone already spotted a bug :)
[16:27] <squisher> it's again rather trivial changes
[16:30] <rbasak> squisher: that looks fine. Is that two separate fixes in one commit or are they related to the same issue?
[16:30] <rbasak> squisher: and does piuparts pass now?
[16:31] <squisher> rbasak, hm, yeah, they should probably be separate
[16:31] <squisher> I'll check piuparts, but I tested it in pbuilder
[16:31] <rbasak> squisher: "Fix dracut" isn't really helping me. Maybe describe what you're fixing and why?
[16:32] <rbasak> (well, clearly you're fixing "dracut", but I mean the actual problem you're fixing)
[16:32] <squisher> rbasak, hmm, I wonder how I can fix that now with the gbp workflow
[16:33] <rbasak> squisher: don't bother rebasing, it's not worth it. So just add extra commits fixing up the changelog for this time I guess.
[16:33] <squisher> rbasak, yeah, I agree. I should be more careful with my descriptions (basically dracut wasn't working at all before, I was just being lazy)
[16:58] <Gregor3000> why is the check disk failing and reports corrupted files? i tried 3 different USB image burners - 1. Unetbooting in windows, LinuxliveUSB in windows and startup disk creator in linux. every time checking of disk reported error. despite the fact that md5sum matches, i've tested also USB it has no errors in readin & writing.
[16:59] <squisher> rbasak, I'll have to fix that later. I don't really like the gbp changelog handling, but on the other hand I would like to automatically generate the changelog :-\
[16:59] <Gregor3000> i also can not proceed with installer - it stops at 33% when formating /. i have preexisting software RAID1 that holds /swap and /var/log /data
[17:00] <squisher> Gregor3000, the md5sum of the downloaded image I assume?
[17:00] <squisher> I'd run memtest over night
[17:02] <Gregor3000> correct - miniiso or server - it's not memorry as i cretaed and booted the image on different PC's
[17:06] <Gregor3000> in the end it said it can't even detect the image (eventhough it was botoing from it and running other programs on it)
[17:13] <Gregor3000> hwo do i report bug with installer? also when reporting it do i add pictures? or what?
[17:13] <Gregor3000> sorry how
[18:15] <diytto> Hi, I was here last night with my issue if anyone saw it. Basically my server has locked me out from ssh. It is refusing my pubkey auth on my account, even though I have used previously. I can access a different account on the same server with the exact same authorized_keys, but not my personal account. Any ideas?
[18:16] <diytto> My account has sudo access, while the account i am able to access does not
[18:20] <sarnold> diytto: check permissions on your ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/* files
[18:20] <sarnold> diytto: the sshd is very picky about e.g. too-wide group write support or files owned by the wrong user
[18:20] <diytto> permissions are fine, we went over them last night
[18:21] <diytto> that was the first thing we went over last night :(
[18:21] <sarnold> hehe nice :)
[18:22] <sarnold> is there anything in the logs?
[18:23] <diytto> where can i find the logs on the server
[18:24] <lordievader> diytto: /var/log/ (from there you want auth.log and the syslog)
[18:24] <diytto> alright let me take a look
[18:25] <diytto> well this is a problem
[18:25] <diytto> i can't read the logs
[18:26] <sarnold> can you su, sudo, or login, to the account that can read the logs?
[18:27] <diytto> no
[18:27] <diytto> unless there is a way to login without sudo
[18:27] <lordievader> diytto: He means to your user account with sudo powers.
[18:27] <diytto> no, that is the account i am locked out of
[18:28] <lordievader> diytto: Your ssh is locked, not local login, right?
[18:28] <squisher> afaik ubuntu doesn't use wheel for su, right? So you should be able to su into your sudo-able account if you know your local password
[18:29] <diytto> just ssh is locked
[18:29] <squisher> diytto, that's probably what lordievader is talking about too :)
[18:29] <squisher> then you shouldn't have a problem :)
[18:29] <lordievader> Yes, su'ing into the 'locked' account.
[18:29] <diytto> ah okay
[18:30] <diytto> i wasn't aware i could do that
[18:30] <diytto> okay i am in
[18:30] <lordievader> diytto: Then read the logs.
[18:34] <diytto> it looks like permissions for my home directory are wrong?
[18:34] <squisher> I guess if your home dir is 777 then other people could change the perms of your ~/.ssh dir
[18:36] <diytto> i am the only one on the server
[18:36] <lordievader> Still, sshd doesn't like that.
[18:37] <squisher> hm, I may be wrong on that, but anyway, what lordievader said
[18:37] <lordievader> As sarnold said, sshd is very picky.
[18:37] <diytto> i never changed that though, and I've never had an issue logging in previously
[18:38] <diytto> home dir perms drwxr-xr-x  8 sb1  sb1   4096 Jun 11 01:55 diytto
[18:38] <squisher> diytto, that's not 777 - you should paste the error from the logs
[18:38] <diytto> drwx------  2 diytto diytto    4096 Jun 11 04:04 .ssh
[18:39] <sarnold> sb1 vs diytto??
[18:39] <diytto> oh wow i missed that
[18:40] <diytto> that fixed it
[18:40] <diytto> wow
[18:40] <diytto> i have no idea how that happened
[18:41] <squisher> `history | grep sb1` ;-)
[18:42] <diytto> thanks so much guys
[18:42] <diytto> i never would have found that issue
[18:42] <sarnold> all sorted?
[18:43] <diytto> yep, thanks
[18:44] <sarnold> sweet :)
[18:49] <shirgall> Hrm, the openssl update seems to have no changlog other than the Debian one.
[18:50] <sarnold> shirgall: what are you looking at? it should be quite extensive: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+changelog
[18:51] <shirgall> This -> /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.gz has a link to ../libssl1.0.0/changelog.gz which is missing
[18:53] <shirgall> But, the main thing is that it looks like logjam vulnerability, fixed in 1.0.1n, is not yet integrated, that's what I was trying to determine.
[18:54] <sarnold> OH!
[18:54] <sarnold> I see,  you're actuyally talking about the changelog.gz file. feel free to ignore that. what you want is the changelog.Debian.gz file
[18:54] <shirgall> Yeah, it just surprised me that there was a dead link in openssl
[18:56] <shirgall> At any rate, i was looking for CVE-2015-4000 and didn't find it
[18:56] <friendlyguy> hmmm. quick question: i've installed htop, but i don't get any percentage numbers of core / ram usage
[18:58] <mdeslaur> shirgall: the CVE-2015-4000 is actually about the TLS flaw, I didn't use it in the openssl updates. WIth the last openssl update, the export ciphers were disabled, and today's update rejects shorter than 768 dh params.
[18:58] <mdeslaur> shirgall: do if you install today's openssl update, you're all set with the logjam mitigations
[18:58] <shirgall> mdeslaur: yeah, i poked in gnutls, but while I was looking around, I noticed the dead line
[18:58] <shirgall> link
[18:59] <shirgall> mdeslaur: ok, cool, thanks
[19:50] <friendlyguy> is there a way to install mate-core with gdm or lightdm on a ubuntu server? (without actually installing stuff like evolution-server and crap)
[19:52] <sarnold> friendlyguy: apt-get install the specific leaf packages you want, they ought to drag in whatever they need
[20:57] <mitfree> I have been using apt to update my 14.04 VPS and now my /boot is full. I've been unable to update. What is the right way to keep my /boot nice and clean?
[21:05] <hexch> mitfree: clean up boot
[21:05] <hexch> remove unused kernel.
[21:05] <RoyK> next time, use a larger /boot
[21:05] <RoyK> using 200 megs or so for /boot is nonsense
[21:06] <RoyK> and as hexch said, clean up old stuff
[21:06] <mitfree> https://img.bi/#/mOFiH0x!YtDlPwylaNEQyiyvgAwkhpoAUTBOpAGqgQlgXood
[21:06] <sarnold> RoyK: didn't you have a nice short command last time this came up, something that looked way simpler than my usual method?
[21:06] <RoyK> sometimes you can't remove old kernels easily because of a full filesystem - if so - "> whateverfileyouwanttotruncate" and start over
[21:07] <mitfree> The image is from cloud at cost, so I didn't choose the size. I'm also having trouble with /tmp
[21:07] <RoyK> sarnold: if you remove the file, apt will get angry - if you just truncate the file, it'll remove it easily
[21:08] <RoyK> sarnold: truncate the file with something like "> /boot/thatfile" and do apt-get purge "thatpackage"
[21:09] <mitfree> I posted the results of df -h
[21:09] <RoyK> mitfree: tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda1
[21:09] <RoyK> mitfree: but remove the old kernels
[21:09] <sarnold> RoyK: I hadn't heard that about the truncation! that'll save a ton of effort :)
[21:10] <RoyK> sarnold: we all learn along :)
[21:11] <mitfree> what do you mean by truncate exactly? is that just changing the file name or actualy editing the file by deleting parts of it.
[21:11] <RoyK> mitfree: just removing its contents
[21:11] <RoyK> mitfree: setting filesize to zero
[21:12] <mitfree> intersting idea, I honestly hadn't thought of that.
[21:12] <RoyK> mitfree: just don't truncate the live kernel
[21:12] <_piggy_> Just did a new install of server 14.04. apt-get update says that kernel for utopic (not trusty) is being held back.  Any ideas?
[21:13] <_piggy_> uname -a shows 10.04
[21:13] <_piggy_> bah  14.04
[21:14] <_piggy_> Just tested on another 14.04 and it does not show utopic
[21:15] <RoyK> never had   that issue
[21:16] <_piggy_> Ya. Me neither.  Starnge
[21:16] <_piggy_> Strange that is.  One of those days...
[21:17] <tarpman> _piggy_: run apt-get update and check again. yesterday I had some kernels held back because the metapackages showed up in the archive before the actual kernels did, but all has been ok today
[21:17] <_piggy_> tarpman, will do   thanks.  BRB
[21:18] <tarpman> _piggy_: regarding utopic vs trusty, servers installed from 14.04 or 14.04.1 media will have the trusty (3.13) kernel, servers installed from 14.04.2 media will have the utopic (3.16) kernel
[21:20] <_piggy_> tarpman: That's the instll media I used.  Any idea for change?  Repositories show trusty too.
[21:20] <_piggy_> tarpman: I assume it will be ok to proceed then?
[21:21] <tarpman> _piggy_: I don't understand "Any idea for change?", sorry
[21:21] <tarpman> _piggy_: there's no need to downgrade unless something is broken, if that's what you mean
[21:22] <_piggy_> tarpman: Thanks.  You have been a good help. I will see if I can figure out why the kernel change happened.  Thanks!
[21:57] <shirgall> _piggy_: you can learn more about the kernel changes here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:34] <_piggy_> shirgall:  Thanks.  Saw that not long ago.  Thanks for posting.


[06:03] <Floris_> thx wxl
[14:38] <pvi_> hi all, does anybody know, when this patch will arive at ubuntu 14.04 repos? https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11948
[14:53] <tsimonq2> pvi_: you first have to ask when it gets into Debian :)
[14:53] <tsimonq2> pvi_: I don't know how often Samba releases and if it was recent, if it got into Debian yet
[14:54] <tsimonq2> pvi_: once it gets into Debian, it should flow down to Ubuntu
[14:54] <tsimonq2> pvi_: from there we can make a Stable Release update for samba
[14:54] <tsimonq2> pvi_: process here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[14:55] <tsimonq2> pvi_: good luck! :)
[15:00] <pvi_> tsimonq2: uff, can take quite a time. Until then we are stuck with non replicated domain.
[15:00] <pvi_> tsimonq2: thank you for your response.
[15:01] <tsimonq2> pvi_: no problem, have a nice day :)
[15:02] <pvi_> tsimonq2: have a nice day.


[01:00] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:06] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:14] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:24] <cjae> what is the actuall .deb handler for 12.04, gdebi or some such thing, I ask since I have more than one desktop installed and things are a little wonky
[01:24] <cjae> -l
[01:26] <cjae> and firefoxs choose helper application really sucks
[01:28] <cjae> q-apt-deb-installer?
[01:28] <cjae> qapt-deb-installer?*
[02:34] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[02:39] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[02:41] <IdleOne> err or not
[02:49] <bazhang> heh yeah
[02:54] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:43] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:50] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:08] <taoufik> sqlq,
[04:22] <zacarias> Hi. I'm trying to connect two computers with Kubuntu installed for file sharing. I've set up samba and I can connect to the computers from dolphin but I can't see the shared folders. I tried ssh from the terminal but I have a Connection refused answer. I tried f5tp with Filezilla and I have an "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server" message. I tried all this both ways. Any help?
[06:22] <RetributionLSR> Are you using windows for this at any point in time?
[06:22] <RetributionLSR> or just sharing files between the 2 linux boxes?
[07:06] <dodger> so, i'm not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it looks like KDE4 is sharing my ~/Pictures and ~/Music directories via UPNP without me having set up anything (at least not that I can remember :P)
[07:07] <dodger> i got a Galaxy S3 and when I turned on my computer, my pictures and music showed up on my phone
[07:07] <dodger> which is really cool, but also a bit scary
[07:13] <dodger> anyone know why this might be?
[07:27] <RetributionLSR> magic < mystery
[07:36] <RetributionLSR> Do you have mediatomb installed?
[09:58] <Muhammad_Saad> My PC has a Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01). Which drivers will work better? The default free ones or the proprietary ones?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:01] <eltigre> hi, I think I installed kubuntu desktop / KDE on an Ubuntu installation, but KDE doesn't appear in the boot menu
[14:01] <eltigre> any idea?
[14:05] <IdleOne> How did you install kubuntu-desktop?
[14:06] <eltigre> turns out I didn't really, I just installed it from ubuntu user's wiki via apt-url. Several kde libs seem to be in place but that's no indication
[14:07] <IdleOne> eltigre: open a terminal and run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <eltigre> I'm currently doing it with the software-center... let's see what happens this time
[14:09] <IdleOne> it should install a couple hundred packages, when it is done you can log out of this session and log back in selecting kubuntu at the log in screen
[14:09] <IdleOne> software center is fine too
[14:24] <dbrom> any using more then two monitors with kubuntu 12.10
[14:28] <dbrom> Idle: burn the iso to a dvd/cd and boot from it. first time you do it, use the default setting... ie how the harddrive is set up
[15:39] <harolddong> how do I choose a default akonadi addressbook in the kde 4.10 beta? the previous location for setting it (System Settings/Personal Information) doesn't seem to have the option anymore.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> harolddong, check kmail
[15:52] <harolddong> BluesKaj > don't see a way to choose a default in kmail, but kmail seems to use the right address book source anyway, but kopete doesn't see an address book at all, so all my metacontacts are essentially blank. Its like they are using two different sources. in the past this was fixed by choosing the default in system settings, but that option seems to be gone or moved.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> harolddong, what about kontact ?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> harolddong, I don't use kmail, kontact or the PIM any longer justr too buggy for a home user like me.
[15:58] <harolddong> kontact is just a consolidation of the all the settings in kmail, so I dont see the option there either. to be honest I dont really use the mail apps much either but I use kopete regularly, which works fine except for this issue.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> well harolddong , I gave up on kmail and akonadi and even nepomuk ...useless daemons IMO just using cpu resources with no benefit in my case ..thunderbird works well with all my other email addresses and contacts
[16:04] <harolddong> again, problem isnt really with those apps, it is trying to get kopete to see my address book
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ahh...that's different ...sorry I don't know much about kopete
[16:07] <osiristhevirus> hello fellas
[18:56] <raulfabi> I can't connect to wired internet because when i set up the network connection, there is the field called Service. If i let the field blank, I get an error message, and if I put the name inside it does not connect to the internet
[18:56] <raulfabi> please i need help
[18:59] <DarthFrog> raulfabi:  Can you open up a terminal (konsole) and give this command:  sudo dhclient eth0
[19:02] <raulfabi> darthfrog, sorry i can't now, i'm not at home, i write from a friends laptop
[19:02] <DarthFrog> OK, good luck.
[19:02] <raulfabi> the thing is same set up is working in gnome,cinnamon,xfce but not in kde
[19:02] <raulfabi> i go crazy'
[19:03] <raulfabi> connection goes online with pppoeconf
[19:03] <raulfabi> but not in network manager
[21:22] <Basil1x> Hello.  K/Ubuntu 12.04LTS version... sound from Laptop speakers cuts out after awhile.  HDMI sound is unaffected.  Rebooting restores sound for a bit, then it fails again.  Is there any way to fix this behaviour short of reinstalling from scratch?
[21:24] <Basil1x> I have JACK2 installed, also, my kernel is ver 3.6.11-030611-generic
[21:33] <Basil1x> Nevermind.


[00:45] <mwhudson> paride: huh!
[06:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1041.43~18.04.1] (no packageset)
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[06:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1038.41]
[06:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [5.8.0-1024.25+21.04.1]
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[06:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1037.39~18.04.1]
[06:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1038.41~18.04.1]
[06:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-1094.107~16.04.1]
[08:03] <paride> mwhudson, the error changed a bit with the daily images generated in the last few days, now it's just:
[08:03] <paride> + unsquashfs -d new_installer old_iso/casper/installer.squashfs
[08:03] <paride> Can't find a SQUASHFS superblock on old_iso/casper/installer.squashfs
[08:03] <paride> old_iso is just the loop-mounted ubuntu-focal-live-server-s390x.iso
[08:04] <paride> the surprising part is that the image itself tests fine!
[08:04] <paride> so either the squashfs is not that broken, or unsquashfs is broken, or who knows
[08:05] <paride> I had a look at ubuntu-cdimage but couldn't spot an obvious recent change that could be to blame
[08:06] <paride> but I always get a bit lost with all the moving parts of the iso image generation
[08:30] <mwhudson> paride: did you try downloading the installer.squashfs directly from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/hirsute/ubuntu-server-live/+build/263162 ?
[08:30] <mwhudson> paride: i'm doing that now but for some reason the wet piece of string connecting me to the librarian is particularly slow today
[08:31] <paride> mwhudson, I didn't, trying now. But note that the failure happens with the focal images, not hirsute
[08:31] <mwhudson> paride: oh!
[08:31] <mwhudson> heh
[08:32] <mwhudson> that's even more bizarre then
[08:32] <mwhudson> huh downloading two squashfses in parallel and they are both going as fast as the first one was on its own
[08:40] <paride> mwhudson, they seems to unsquash fine...
[08:40] <mwhudson> paride: hmm hmm
[08:41]  * paride tries again with the iso image doing everything locally
[08:41] <mwhudson> paride: can you match the iso to a livefs build via the build logs and see if the squashfses sha1s match?
[08:41] <mwhudson> because ttbomk they are just dumped onto the iso
[08:42] <paride> mwhudson, doing so
[08:42] <mwhudson> thanks
[08:42] <mwhudson> oh... i wonder if the date of the change in behaviour is when inject-subiquity-snap switched from mounting the squashfs to unpacking it
[08:43] <mwhudson> that was jan 6, probably too long ago?
[08:46] <mwhudson> paride: yeah the squashfs from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu-server-live/+build/263230 seems to unsquash ok for me (on focal)
[08:48] <mwhudson> ok i can download from cdimage 10+ x faster than the librarian
[08:50] <paride> mwhudson, and *locally* I can unsquash even from the iso, but I could reproduce the issue on the s390x machine
[08:50] <paride> I'll follow the thread again...
[08:50] <mwhudson> ah hah
[08:53] <mwhudson> paride: which distro is the script being run on? bionic?
[08:53] <paride> mwhudson, yes
[08:54] <mwhudson> it seems a bit unlikely that an endianness bug in unsquashfs on bionic has suddenly appeared doesn't it
[09:03] <paride> mwhudson, I don't know if I should be happy or not, but it seems to be working with today's daily
[09:04] <mwhudson> paride: shall we try being happy for a few days?
[09:04] <paride> mwhudson, yes :)
[09:04] <mwhudson> paride: ok, i'll give it a go :)
[10:02] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, hello, do you have any idea for the libreoffice autopkgtest sadness?
[10:02] <LocutusOfBorg> its now the only poppler blocker for migration
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg>  /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/unopkg.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjvmaccesslo.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure what this does mean...
[10:05] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, yes, and I have a fix for it, I briefly discussed it seb128 earlier on how to proceed
[10:05] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/1917301 btw
[10:06] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, it's not the only blocker, gdal/s390x needs to be sorted out which I just reported to Debian (and the maintainer was prompt to upload a candidate fix now that I will sync over once it's published)
[10:06] <ricotz> basically this libreoffice autopkgtest problem doesn't affect the desktop build which would be fine to transition
[10:10] <ginggs> would someone please review https://code.launchpad.net/~ginggs/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+merge/398846 ?
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, ^^ this fixes gdal/s390x
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why I was asking about libreoffice
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, the "maintainer candidate fix" can't work"
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[10:12] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for working on it I go back in my cave then :D
[10:13] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, why can't it work? and please write that to the debian bug
[10:13] <seb128> ginggs, ^
[10:13] <LocutusOfBorg> something like "we can't apt install stuff somewhere inside the test" and the "fix" is to hint the failure so if the package comes back on such architecture it becomes green again
[10:14] <LocutusOfBorg> NBS-cleanups should be converted into "test-reset" hints otherwise you loose your big endian test platform
[10:14] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-sf/-/commit/0134ec6c
[10:14] <ginggs> seb128: i prefer to wait for the test to fail so i have some evidence to re-open the bug
[10:15] <seb128> ginggs, why would it fail?
[10:16] <ginggs> seb128: apt-get install needs root
[10:16] <ginggs> see also debian bug #983748
[10:17] <seb128> k, well let's see, we are not in a hurry
[10:18] <seb128> libreoffice is going to take a few days unless we decide to hint over that one as well
[10:19] <ginggs> well, i'd like to see r-cran-lwgeom migrate
[10:19] <seb128> right, I'm not in ubuntu-release so I can't merge that hint myself
[10:22] <ginggs> seb128: ack
[10:23] <ginggs> i just hope some trigger-happy sync-er doesn't sync r-cran-sf
[10:54] <rbalint> doko, retried systemd tests, they all failed together when retrying with all-proposed
[10:57] <rbalint> vorlon, (& all) please don't trigger with all-proposed=1 often, it is an example of LP: #1897317
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [i386] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1.49.0+dfsg1+llvm-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
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[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-460 [source] (groovy-proposed) [460.56-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-460-server [source] (groovy-proposed) [460.32.03-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [s390x] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1.49.0+dfsg1+llvm-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-450 [source] (groovy-proposed) [450.102.04-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, are you going to update #983749?
[13:09] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: i prefer to wait for the test to fail so i have some evidence to re-open the bug
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-450-server [source] (groovy-proposed) [450.102.04-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:32] <LocutusOfBorg> btw ginggs I don't think syncing it will make the hint any worse, right? I mean, the hint tracks the first "bad version" so it doesn't require changes if the version increases...
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 [source] (groovy-proposed) [390.141-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-418-server [source] (groovy-proposed) [418.181.07-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:51] <sil2100> tumbleweed: hey! Are you around? I wanted to review python-pip for focal and I'd need it to be re-uploaded with teh source created with -v to also incldue the previous changelog entry in .changes
[14:54] <sil2100> I'll re-upload it and then accept
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pip (focal-proposed/universe) [20.0.2-5ubuntu1.2 => 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.3] (no packageset)
[15:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-pip [source] (focal-proposed) [20.0.2-5ubuntu1.3]
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-pip [source] (focal-proposed) [20.0.2-5ubuntu1.3]
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[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-virtualenv [source] (focal-proposed) [20.0.17-1ubuntu0.3]
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1037.39]
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1039.42]
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-460 [source] (focal-proposed) [460.56-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[17:41] <tumbleweed> sil2100: around
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[17:42] <tumbleweed> sil2100: ah, sure
[17:59] <tumbleweed> sil2100: err, looks like you accepted them after all?
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-460-server [source] (focal-proposed) [460.32.03-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-450 [source] (focal-proposed) [450.102.04-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:22] <ginggs> thank you, mystery merger
[18:24] <ginggs> oh, it was tumbleweed :)
[18:27] <tumbleweed> yesterday, too
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-450-server [source] (focal-proposed) [450.102.04-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-418-server [source] (focal-proposed) [418.181.07-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:29] <sil2100> tumbleweed: as said, I re-uploaded and accepted ;)
[18:31] <tumbleweed> ah, I misread
[18:31] <tumbleweed> thanks
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 [source] (focal-proposed) [390.141-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[19:19] <wxl> lubuntu has grub2-signed in ship-live but it seems what's available in the current daily is an old version from several days ago. can anyone tell me why?
[19:29] <wxl> also has something happened with the md5 checks? they seem to have disappeared
[19:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted debian-pan [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [0.3]
[20:08] <vorlon> rbalint: all-proposed> unfortunately trying to selectively trigger with a subset of proposed is tediously inefficient; I don't like using all-proposed but it's better than the alternative
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (bionic-proposed/main) [2:12.1.1-0ubuntu3 => 2:12.1.1-0ubuntu4] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnutls28 (groovy-proposed/main) [3.6.15-4ubuntu2 => 3.6.15-4ubuntu2.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[20:27] <seb128> vorlon, hey, thanks for the build-essential tip on libinih the other day ... now about upstreaming to Debian, do you think I should try to get the hack there or is it likely that you do the autopkgtest setup fix before next cycle?
[20:38] <teward> anyone know why the seeds for the ISOs might not be up to date for the ISO builds?  Lubuntu's seeing some ISO chaos with a mismatch of the grub version that's on the ISO from https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/hirsute/ship-live where the Lubuntu ship-live data is stored.  Seeing -1ubuntu37 not -1ubuntu40 on the latest ISOs, and it's causing UEFI install errors because of apt deps on grub not being installed/working.
[20:38] <teward> cc wxl kc2bez
[20:40] <teward> (related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1917292)
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: manila (focal-proposed/universe) [1:10.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:10.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (openstack)
[20:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xsane (focal-proposed/universe) [0.999-8ubuntu2 => 0.999-8ubuntu2.1] (no packageset)
[21:01] <vorlon> seb128: I ought to do the fix to autopkgtest before then
[22:09] <seb128> vorlon, thanks
[22:15] <kanashiro> does anyone know what is the value of 'ulimit -n' in our autopkgtest testbeds? An upstream maintainer wants to know it to see if it meets their expectation
[22:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnutls28 (focal-proposed/main) [3.6.13-2ubuntu1.3 => 3.6.13-2ubuntu1.4] (core, i386-whitelist)
[23:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [riscv64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1.49.0+dfsg1+llvm-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[23:52] <vorlon> kanashiro: should be the default for Ubuntu, which is 1024 soft limit and 1048576 hard limit AFAIR
[23:54] <vorlon> kanashiro: btw you uploaded puma and its autopkgtests still fail, what are next steps there?
[23:58] <wxl> vorlon: since you are awake, i'll bug you. lubuntu seems to have old packages versions seeded in ship-live for which i can't explain. the packages last changed days ago.
[23:59] <vorlon> wxl: what packages specifically, and what do you expect to see instead?
[23:59] <wxl> vorlon: in particular, grub-efi-amd64-signed is stuck on -1ubuntu37 though we're on -1ubuntu40 as of the 25th. last iso was built earlier this morning.


[17:26] <PaulW2U> pleia2: adding links re Ubuntu phone to the .doc as I find them. awaiting your consolidation of the various stories as they emerge ;)
[17:29] <pleia2> PaulW2U: thanks :)
[17:29] <pleia2> busy morning!
[17:34] <pleia2> ubuntu planet is unwell
[17:34] <pleia2> (not loading)
[18:13]  * PaulW2U thinks 10 links re ubuntu phone added already, another bumper news week it seems


[15:19] <czajkowski> jbicha_: ping can you give me a shout when online please.
[15:52] <jbicha_> czajkowski: community council?
[15:53] <czajkowski> jbicha: yup
[15:53] <czajkowski> nobody showed from the docs team for the meeting yesterday
[15:53] <czajkowski> all ok?
[15:57] <jbicha> yes we're fine, but the docs team is barely active these days
[15:57] <jbicha> I happened to be afk at meeting time yesterday & didn't put it on my calendar
[16:00] <jbicha> personally I've been thinking for a while about more or less resigning but offer to help someone get up to speed over the next few months as I need to reduce my responsibilities somewhat and I'm busy with Ubuntu GNOME stuff
[16:00] <czajkowski> nods
[16:00] <czajkowski> well I've an action item from the CC to reschedule the meeting
[16:00] <czajkowski> but just trying to find a slot now tbh
[16:01] <jbicha> sorry that no one showed but it's a sign that the team is badly undermanned
[16:18] <czajkowski> jbicha: is the 4th of April too far  to meet up ?
[16:33] <jbicha> czajkowski: yeah I'm not really looking that far ahead, I guess I can put it on my calendar this time though and we'll see
[16:36] <czajkowski> jbicha: if you prefer earlier I can work something out n the calendar with dholbach
[16:40] <jbicha> yes I'd prefer earlier if it's not too much trouble
[16:44] <czajkowski> ok will go and see what we can do
[16:48] <czajkowski> jbicha: how about the 28th  of this month ?
[16:51] <jbicha> oh it was 1700 UTC yesterday, I was taking my wife to see the doctor at that time so that's my excuse :|
[16:51] <jbicha> ok I've added feb 28, 1700 utc to my calendar
[16:52] <jbicha> I'm usually online at that time
[16:53] <czajkowski> great
[16:53] <czajkowski> jbicha: what is your email address so I can send to you please
[16:56] <jbicha> it's my username at ubuntu
[16:56] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:00] <czajkowski> jbicha: sent
[17:00] <czajkowski> thank you


[00:55] <Pupeno> Anybody knows how to redirect requests to phpmyadmin to ssl? I'm trying to write the rewrite rules and it's driving me crazy.
[01:11] <basil> Any chance of some advice to assist with troubleshooting a connection to Ubuntu 12.04 from Win Xp via x11vnc? I want access to GUI from XenServer - and not have to use the CLI
[01:39] <basil> thanks guys....try again later
[02:28]  * Spudster_away is set as away
[02:28]  * Spudster is no longer away : Gone for 25 secs
[05:46] <carbon_monoxide> Hi! I have download Ubuntu Server LTS 12.04.3 image. I use dd command to make bootable thumb drive. However, every time I try to use it to perform basic install, it freezes at the locale selection page. I was just choosing to use 'English'. I didn't try choose 'C'. I tried to download the image and use other thumb drive, but got the same outcome. I have tried to use the 'disk check', but it always freezes at some point. Not onl
[05:46] <carbon_monoxide> y installation. I have did the same thing to install Debian on the same machine. Not problem at all.
[05:52] <genii> Did you do the md5 check on the image you downloaded?
[05:54] <carbon_monoxide> Yes. The checksum matched
[06:45] <oste> hello, what is the proper way to write to the /var/www folder?
[06:46] <oste> guessing - create a group and add a user somehow
[06:46] <oste> any tuts out there?
[06:49] <oste> something like this? http://pastebin.com/vrq8PJ1U
[08:30] <LeMike> hello. i think we're under ddos. where do I see which IP tries to access the apache currently?
[08:47] <patdk-lap> netstat
[08:50] <LeMike> thanks patdk-lap. already did `tcpdump port 80` and know what domain is attacked. how do I find out which ip to block?
[09:17] <basil_> Hi any chance of some help troubleshooting x11vnc coonections to Ubuntu 12.04 to get access to the GUI
[09:17] <basil_> rather than CLI
[11:22] <Lightsword> anyone know the proper way to set up nfsv3 on ubuntu server 13.10 with static ports and listening on all interfaces?
[11:23] <Lightsword> I'm not sure of the the /etc/exports syntax and some of the other requirements, seems the documentation is all mixed with the nfsv4 documentation and thats very different
[12:42] <Lightsword> This is what I've been trying as my config files https://gist.github.com/Lightsword1942/7512773 hasn't been working though
[12:43] <bekks> Lightsword: "hasnt been working" is too generic to help you.
[12:43] <Lightsword> bekks, any idea how to get a better error log, it just say "...fail!" more or less
[12:44] <bekks> Lightsword: dmesg, start nfsd manually, etc.
[12:51] <Lightsword> bekks, well I completely rebuilt the VM with only the /etc/exports config customized and its sharing it as nfsv4 from the looks of it, does the nfs-kernel-server do both nfsv3 and nfsv4?
[12:52] <bekks> If you define a nfsv3 share, it will be shared as nfsv3.
[12:52] <bekks> The syntax for v4 is different from v3.
[12:53] <Lightsword> https://gist.github.com/Lightsword1942/7513002 is what I have changed /etc/exports to, is nfsv3 supposed to be set from there?
[12:57] <bekks> Yes,
[12:58] <Lightsword> bekks, is it just a config flag?
[12:58] <bekks> Ist is a different syntax.
[12:59] <Lightsword> bekks, do I need to just change the directory to /export/home
[12:59] <bekks> For doing what?
[13:00] <Lightsword> bekks, changing it from a nfsv4 server to a nfsv3 only server
[13:00] <bekks> The path does not indicate that.
[13:07] <Lightsword> bekks, I can't see any option to set nfsv3 from there, at least in the docs, I see an option to flag it in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server , would that be where I would do that?
[13:07] <bekks> I dont know what you want, actually.
[13:08] <Lightsword> bekks, full anonymous access over nfsv3
[13:08] <bekks> Then finally start stating _what_ isnt working, etc.
[13:09] <Lightsword> bekks, well I rebuilt disabling all the extra config files that were probably breaking it, right now its in nfsv4 mode and I can't seem to connect
[13:09] <Lightsword> bekks, so the server is running at least now, just the settings are wrong
[13:10] <bekks> Then why did you edit config files that are unrelated?
[13:11] <Lightsword> bekks, aren't there other config files that have nfs related options?
[13:11] <bekks> The only file necessary is the /etc/exports.
[13:14] <Lightsword> bekks, Is there any documentation for changing to nfsv3 anonymous mode? I can't seem to find what I would need to change
[13:15] <bekks> nfsv3 has nothing else but anonymous access.
[13:15] <bekks> v3 doesnt know anything about the authentication of users.
[13:17] <Lightsword> bekks, well, it doesn't authenticate in a traditional way but it still does mapping, I'm trying to force remap all gid/uid sets to a single version
[13:18] <bekks> It doesnt authenticate at all.
[13:18] <bekks> Or you hacked some authentication into the nfsv3 code.
[13:18] <bekks> User mapping has absolutely nothing to do with authentication.
[13:19] <Lightsword> bekks, I think the uid/gid mapping can be used as authentication
[13:19] <bekks> Your assumption is entirely wrong.
[13:19] <bekks> It is an user mapping. Nothing more, nothing less.
[13:21] <Lightsword> bekks, well looks like microsoft implemented it as some sort of authentication layer http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463218.aspx
[13:22] <bekks> NFSv3 on Linux has no authentication. I am not going to say that again. If you want Windows 7 NFS auth, please seek support in ##windows
[13:28] <Lightsword> bekks, linux by itself didn't really have the capability, the mapping itself was handled by domain servers, that was just the method used to bind clients to linux/unix NFS servers, I'm just trying to set the VM's nfs server to accept any client no matter what uid/gid is set
[13:29] <bekks> I told you how to do it already, at least two times.  Everything is said, I am resting your case. Good luck whatever you are going to do.
[13:30] <Lightsword> bekks, I'm not trying to implement it, I'm trying to disable it, the problem is that the windows clinet comes in with a funky uid/gid that needs to be remapped
[13:30] <bekks> You cant disable something that isnt even implemented.
[13:31] <bekks> I told you that you need to set up the mapping, you got the article. I am not interested in your issue anymore, please do not hilight me anymore. Thank you.
[13:57] <liquid-silence> hi all
[13:57] <liquid-silence> how can I give a user upstart permissions currently I get unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[13:58] <liquid-silence> but as root I can upstart fine
[13:59] <liquid-silence> or give a user to execute start someapp
[13:59] <liquid-silence> without having to type the sudo password
[14:02] <liquid-silence> hmmm somerthin is fscked here
[14:03] <bekks> You cant, without sudo.
[14:06] <liquid-silence> I am using sudo with ....
[14:06] <liquid-silence> app     ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/start my-script
[14:06] <liquid-silence> and then sudo start my-script
[14:06] <liquid-silence> and it still prompts for a password
[14:06] <liquid-silence> weird
[14:07] <liquid-silence> bekks any idea?
[14:08] <liquid-silence> maybe my user is not in the correct grouop?
[14:08] <bekks> Then you wouldnt be able to use sudo.
[14:09] <bekks> And parameters arent recognized for application in the /etc/sudoers. "/sbin/start" instead "/sbin/start my-script"
[14:09] <bekks> Think twice if you want your user to start/stop all services.
[14:11] <liquid-silence> hmm
[14:11] <liquid-silence> bekks all I need to do is all the user "app" to start a process
[14:11] <liquid-silence> and stop a process
[14:12] <liquid-silence> as I am ssh'ing (blindly) and restarting it
[14:12] <liquid-silence> any ideas RE that?
[14:14] <liquid-silence> bekks there must be a way?
[14:18] <liquid-silence> looking at this
[14:18] <liquid-silence> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#user-job
[14:19] <liquid-silence> so in theory I can have the script in $USER/.init
[14:26] <liquid-silence> ok I think I am going to go with Archlinux
[14:26] <liquid-silence> seems more docs
[14:32] <liquid-silence> bekks when doing it in .init
[14:32] <liquid-silence> I get start: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist
[14:33] <liquid-silence> bekks any advice?
[14:41] <liquid-silence> ubuntu is really breaking a hell of a lot
[14:41] <liquid-silence> doing a dist-upgrade now
[14:41] <liquid-silence> if it does not work , I will move to debian / arch
[14:48] <liquid-silence> does anyone here know upstart?
[14:48] <liquid-silence> app@ubuntu-server:~$ start my-script
[14:48] <liquid-silence> start: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist
[14:49] <liquid-silence> sudo works though
[14:49] <liquid-silence> well if the script is in /etc/init
[14:55] <rbasak> liquid-silence: upstart user sessions are for when you want to run services as that specific user. You need to arrange to start a separate upstart process as that user first.
[14:56] <liquid-silence> rbasak I figured that
[14:56] <liquid-silence> so I have a script in ~/.init
[14:56] <liquid-silence> now I do start my-script
[14:56] <liquid-silence> and it says its not found
[14:56] <rbasak> liquid-silence: if you want a user to be able to control a system service, I suggest you arrange for sudo to do it. The general mechanism for that is the same across all distributions.
[14:56] <liquid-silence> I cant type in a password
[14:56] <liquid-silence> as it via a block of code that ssh
[14:57] <liquid-silence> this is real annoying
[14:58] <rbasak> liquid-silence: look at sudo's NOPASSWD option in sudoers
[14:58] <liquid-silence> tried that
[14:59] <rbasak> liquid-silence: I wouldn't advise using upstart user sessions for your task right now. They are documented but are available for 13.10 only, and the headless (server) case is documented as "not fully supported right now".
[14:59] <rbasak> liquid-silence: see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#non-graphical-sessions-ubuntu-specific
[14:59] <rbasak> liquid-silence: do it with sudo, as you would with every other distribution.
[15:00] <liquid-silence> yea
[15:44] <Terabyte> hey
[15:45] <Terabyte> should services in ubuntu server be installed using /etc/init.d or using upstart?
[15:45] <Terabyte> i find it strange that the recommended way is upstart yet typing initctl at the commandline does nothing....
[15:49] <rbasak> Terabyte: both are supported. In packaging, upstart jobs are also provided with a symlink from /etc/init.d/<service> to /lib/init/upstart-job for compatibility.
[16:16] <jml> archlinux wiki indicates there are ufw rules for Deluge but I can't find evidence of these rules in Ubuntu
[16:18] <jml> jdstrand: ^
[17:09] <Terabyte> hey, I wrote an upstart script to start a service, so far so good, it worked. but now i want to stop it, and typing service wanted stop says "Stop: Unknown instance:"
[17:12] <Terabyte> when I run service wanted start, I get "wanted start/running, process 22312", thing is though that the script I ran fires off it's own RUNNING_PID which seen in top is 21945 (it's a java process, the way to shutdown should be to kill -15 21945, is there anyway to instruct upstart in this way?
[17:15] <rbasak> Terabyte: you may need "expect fork" or "expect daemon". See: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect
[17:16] <Terabyte> oo let me try daemon
[17:22] <rbasak> Terabyte: when messing with "expect daemon" and "expect fork", it may be worth knowing about bug 406397 - if you get it wrong, a job can get stuck and upstart needs a reboot (or horrible workaround) to fix it before you can fix the job.
[17:23] <rbasak> It's not an issue in production, though.
[17:36] <Terabyte> hmmm
[17:36] <Terabyte> I don't think even daemon is quite right
[17:38] <Beatstreet> I keep trying to run a xfs_check but all I get is Killed. is there a way to run xfs_check and it not get Killed?
[17:45] <rbasak> Beatstreet: check /var/log/kern.log. If the kernel killed it, the reason should be in there. Or "dmesg|tail".
[17:45] <Beatstreet> ok, thanks
[17:46] <Beatstreet> Out of memory: Kill process 3543 (xfs_db)
[19:31] <Terabyte> k I've been stuck trying to get upstart to run a playframework app runscript. If anybody has any ideas as to why this script doesn't work let me know: http://codepad.org/hwMNsTfx http://codepad.org/KLn9PKNg In short if I went to a console, I could type ..../bin/wanted -D...bunch of java args, and end up with a fg script showing me logs (stdout?) press ctrl C to exit and kill the process.
[19:31] <Terabyte> however separately a process (RUNNING_PID) has been spawned that is a java process and this is my "app". I have no idea what the upstart settings should be, i've tried as a damon, as not a daemon, --background --start, without those 2 params, nothign just seems to work.
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> okay
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> -.-


[02:55] <vadi2> What is all involved in setting up a new ftp user account so they can upload to the ubuntu server that's on ec2? I got to the point where I can connect and browse, but not delete or upload files (uploading fails to due invalid filename error on a simply named file)
[03:05] <ernop> sounds like a permission problem?
[03:16] <vadi2> Where?
[04:01] <kiall> vadi2, most likely the folder your trying to upload to .. every user has to have permission to read / write the files your trying to change (or create) via FTP .. your probably looking to use a combo of the chmod and chown commands to set the permissions ...
[04:02] <kiall> generally .. if multiple users need to access some files (eg /var/www/ ) .. I would create a group, assign the users to it and then chmod+chown the folder to allow that group read/write
[04:07] <vadi2> alright
[04:07] <kiall> or .. if you really dont care about security .. chmod -R 777 /var/www (or whatever folder) .. DO NOT "chmod -R 777 /" or some other folder you didnt create! It will cause *all sorts of pain*
[04:10] <flaccid> use sftp not ftp
[04:12] <kiall> flaccid, while sftp might be technically better, it makes absolutely no difference to his issue ;) .. and .. there may be a requirement for FTP over SCP/sFTP (eg .. users know how to use a specific FTP client which doesnt do sFTP)) .
[04:13] <flaccid> kiall: technically it makes all the difference. in ubuntu, there is nothing to configure if you create a new user. with ftp, depending on the deamon you are using, it will need configuration
[04:14] <flaccid> if plain password auth is on with sshd and you have added the user, they can login via ssh and sftp and have the same permissions as they do via console
[04:14] <kiall> flaccid .. sure .. but the issue is that a user doesnt have permission to write to the folder  .. that issue doesnt get magically fixed by using SCP ;)
[04:15] <flaccid> we don't know the daemon being used, the auth mechanism, what user it is, wher ethey are trying to write, etc. etc.
[04:15] <CO_Mau_nonton_sm> hax http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar
[04:15] <flaccid> its a good idea to abide by heir and not just chmod and chown wherever
[04:17] <kiall> Either way .. what he's trying to do requires a permission change (we know this much) .. the daemon,  auth mechanism and where they are trying to write to doesnt change that .. anyway .. no point arguing over something irrelevant ;)
[04:17] <flaccid> no, it requires doing things properly
[04:18] <kiall> lol .. so FTP isnt proper? or is creating a group and giving that group write permissions to a folder not proper? lol ..
[04:18] <flaccid> no configuration of the ftp daemon is. don't assume that it uses shell accounts
[04:20] <kiall> ... you might want to re-read some of the msg's above ;)
[04:20] <flaccid> i did several times
[04:20] <kiall> anyway .. as i said .. no point arguing over something irrelevant!
[04:20] <flaccid> you made it relevant
[04:21] <flaccid> vadi21: fix the problem?
[04:24] <vadi21> sorry, went away for a bit
[04:24] <vadi21> I am using sftp to connect, yes
[04:25] <flaccid> pki or plain auth with shell accounts?
[04:26] <vadi21> not sure what pki is, but I did create a new user and assign them to the ftp group. so I guess the latter?
[04:26] <flaccid> what directory are you trying to write to?
[04:26] <flaccid> and what is the exact error
[04:27] <vadi21> sec, connecting again. for some reason connecting is real slow but browsing is fine
[04:28] <flaccid> this is uec or ec2?
[04:28] <vadi21> ec2
[04:28] <flaccid> by default ssh does not use plain password auth
[04:29] <flaccid> vadi21: i created this faq recently, http://support.rightscale.com/index.php?title=06-FAQs/FAQ_0170_-_How_do_I_enable_system_user_account_logins_for_SSH_on_my_instance%3F
[04:29] <vadi21> There was an error copying the file into ftp://main_wordpress_upload@<snip>/var/www/wordpress/wp-content/themes. Invalid filename
[04:29] <vadi21> but the file name is /home/vadi/Downloads/BusinessCardTheme.zip
[04:30] <flaccid> vadi21: you should connect with root and the private ssh key pair
[04:30] <flaccid> uplod files to /var/www as needed and then chown them to www-data
[04:30] <vadi21> I could, but I'd like to enable the wordpress plugin updater
[04:30] <vadi21> and that takes ftp or stfp info with username and a password
[04:30] <flaccid> vadi21: use a client that supports pki
[04:31] <vadi21> mk
[04:31] <flaccid> what OS are you uploading from?
[04:33] <vadi21> same one, desktop edition... 10.10
[04:35] <flaccid> um, you should just be able to add the key to your local ssh config and configure ~/.ssh/config
[04:35] <flaccid> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1325431
[04:35] <flaccid> gftp might support private key
[04:36] <flaccid> filezilla is also popular
[04:36] <vadi21> alrighty, thanks much
[04:36] <flaccid> np
[11:20] <kim0> hey folks, I'm getting a question that I'd like some comments on. Can one run a UEC infrastructure, where the DNS/DHCP servers are themselves VMs on top of UEC, or does UEC assume properly functioning DNS/DHCP servers somewhere else outside its private cloud
[12:40] <TeTeT> kim0: with managed-novlan and managed mode the DHCP server is implemented by the front end, so no use to have one in the cloud
[12:41] <TeTeT> kim0: for the training class I have an example exercise (case study) where the first instance is setup as DNS server with dnsmasq, this is possible, albeit you best want to give the instance an external ip with euca-allocate-address/euca-associate-address, so it doesn't change
[12:41] <TeTeT> kim0: for practical purposes I question the wiseness of implementing core network services on top of an instance that is potentially less reliable then a real host
[12:43] <kim0> TeTeT: thanks for the answer
[12:43] <kim0> TeTeT: in the managed-novlan case... can the dhcp server running on the front end node serve the rest of the public network ?
[12:44] <kim0> TeTeT: I suppose by default it doesn't
[12:45] <TeTeT> kim0: it's disabled by default, but you can configure it correctly and have it server other networks, why not
[12:45] <kim0> got you
[12:46] <kim0> TeTeT: thanks :)


[04:25] <Kilos> o/
[12:24] <tsimonq2> jose: I guess my main question was, how bad was my Spanish and how can I improve it? XD


[19:24] <mdeslaur> can anyone take a look at this, please? 1351616
[19:24] <mdeslaur> bug 1351616
[21:10] <tjaalton> uh
[21:13] <tjaalton> not able to reproduce it yet though
[21:14] <tjaalton> oh I was on utopic
[21:17] <tjaalton> no luck on trusty either


[06:08] <poolie> back
[06:16] <beuno> igc, now that I think of it, was in inapropriate for me to use your slides?   it just occured to me you might not of wanted them out yet
[08:00] <poolie> spiv, hi?
[08:08] <spiv> poolie: hello
[08:08] <spiv> poolie: I'm just replying to your review; it'll be on the list in a moment.
[08:10] <spiv> poolie: sent.  I'm a bit unclear about what you wanted done to the test_suite generation.
[08:13] <poolie> ok
[08:13] <poolie> i guess basically i would rather that test_suite() methods were not using testloaders and so on them selves
[08:14] <spiv> So you'd like the loader.loadTestsFromModuleNames to be elsewhere?
[08:15] <poolie> hm
[08:16] <spiv> And maybe direct calls to scenario_applier.adapt too?
[08:16] <poolie> am i correct in thinking that the test_check_reconcile tests are meant to be run once per (format, scenario) pair?
[08:16] <spiv> Right.
[08:17] <poolie> why can't you do two calls to multiply_xxx
[08:18] <poolie> one for the reconcile tests, and one for everything else?
[08:18] <spiv> I can, although that means figuring out what the interface to mulitply_xxx should be :)
[08:19] <poolie> what is wrong with the current one?
[08:19] <spiv> It also means leaving a "# test_check_reconcile is intentionally omitted from this list because it is parameterised further down." comment in the main list of modules.
[08:20] <poolie> ok
[08:20] <spiv> (that was one of the minor annoyances that lifeless' suggestion avoided)
[08:20] <spiv> By the current one you mean "adapt_modules"?
[08:20] <poolie> though, really to me that suggests
[08:21] <poolie> maybe it's bad to have an exception here to the rule that every test within a subdirectory is run through the same parameters
[08:21] <spiv> Yeah, that's a good point.
[08:21] <poolie> i mean multiply_tests_from_modules
[08:22] <poolie> but since this isn't a different implementation, just a different test, it doesn't seem to need its own directory
[08:22] <spiv> Well, I'm not sure what you meant the interface for multiply_tests_from_modules to be, precisely.
[08:22] <poolie> that function already exists in tests/__init__
[08:22] <spiv> Oh.
[08:23] <poolie> i think adding such a comment that test_check_reconcile is special
[08:24] <spiv> I can certainly use that to at least improve the way I combine the disk format scenarios and the remote scenario.
[08:24] <poolie> is no worse than the current list with [format_applier]  repeated for each module but that
[08:25] <poolie> right, you can just pass in the concatenated lists rather than making an applier object
[08:25] <poolie> then
[08:25] <spiv> But multiply_tests_from_modules doesn't do the cross product I need for the other part.
[08:25] <poolie> no, you need to generate the cross product in making your scenario list
[08:25] <spiv> it multiplies tests by scenarios.
[08:25] <poolie> for scenario_class in brokenness_scenarios:
[08:25] <spiv> Right, I need to make a cross product of the scenarios.
[08:26] <poolie>   for repo in all_repo_scenarios:
[08:26] <spiv> I can do that too, it just didn't occur to me and I didn't realise that's what you were suggesting :)
[08:26] <poolie>      scenarios.append(..., )
[08:26] <spiv> Ok, I understand now :)
[08:26] <poolie> ok
[08:26] <poolie> that actually makes it easier to trim out the repositories that don't make sense to test
[08:26] <spiv> I'm not sure why I didn't know about multiply_tests_from_scenarios sooner.
[08:27] <poolie> well, it's relatively new and not used everywhere
[08:27] <spiv> Yeah, rather than generating a bunch of tests that are doomed to skip.
[08:27] <poolie> i think it's a lot simpler than the lower level code though
[08:27] <spiv> Yeah, that will be an improvement.
[08:27] <poolie> i should probably go and update the existing callers to make them use this
[08:27] <poolie> um
[08:28] <spiv> (and it deals with my concerns about the coupling of module loading and scenario application in adapt_modules too)
[08:28] <poolie> i think it might actually be nicer if the applicability of scenarios was described on the class, not in test_suite()
[08:28] <poolie> so your brokenness tests would just be
[08:28] <lifeless> mmm
[08:28] <poolie> class:
[08:28] <lifeless> I think that couples things still wrongly
[08:28] <poolie>   repeat_per_scenario = [every_repository, every_brokenness]
[08:29] <lifeless> it couples the interface of the scenario with the application
[08:29] <lifeless> I think that would be a mistake
[08:29] <poolie> what is 'that'?
[08:29] <poolie> putting them in the class?
[08:29] <lifeless> yes
[08:30] <poolie> i don't understand you
[08:30] <lifeless> uhm
[08:31] <lifeless> I'm focused on my refactoring right now
[08:31] <lifeless> I'll try to express myself better tomorrow or something
[08:48] <lifeless> k folk, I'm off
[08:48] <lifeless> poolie: 60% now I think.
[09:38] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[09:38] <raddy> Is it possible to browse and download latest commits via browser?
[09:41] <zorg_the_false> raddy: yes there are several web front-end on the website
[09:42] <zorg_the_false> in the 3rdpartyapps section if i remember correctly
[09:43] <mwhudson> i'm not sure what downloading a commit involves
[09:43] <raddy> zorg_the_false: is the web front end needs to be installed in the server or in client?
[09:43] <mwhudson> but browse, sure
[09:44] <zorg_the_false> raddy: dunno
[09:47] <thumper> raddy: what do you mean exactly?
[09:48] <raddy> thumper: see, i want to download latest code from bzr using project, is it possible via web browser?
[09:49] <thumper> raddy: and what do you hope your web browser will show you?
[09:50] <raddy> thumper: the file. or latest changes, kind of websvn
[09:50] <thumper> ok, and you want to see the latest changes of bzr?
[09:50] <raddy> thumper: also want to download the specific file
[09:51] <thumper> raddy: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/changes
[09:52] <zorg_the_false> hehe go look  on the site
[09:52] <zorg_the_false> you got screenshots and all
[10:12] <i386> lifeless: ping
[10:17] <lucasvo> hi
[10:17] <lucasvo> my bzr doesn't run because of unsupported locales settings
[10:18] <poolie> hi lucasvo
[10:18] <poolie> i386, he's left
[10:18] <poolie> lucasvo, well, you should either set your locale to one that's supported on your machine
[10:19] <poolie> eg by LANG=C or LANG=en_AU.utf-8 or something
[10:19] <poolie> or enable that locale
[10:19] <poolie> on linux, that's often controlled by /etc/localegen.conf or something similar
[10:20] <lucasvo> poolie: http://pastebin.com/m578c789e
[10:21] <poolie> are you on ubuntu or debian?
[10:21] <poolie> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[10:21] <lucasvo> poolie: ubuntu dapper
[10:21] <poolie> what locale do you want to use?
[10:22] <lucasvo> en_USA
[10:22] <poolie> i think you mean en_US
[10:22] <poolie> or rather en_US.utf-8
[10:22] <poolie> not sure
[10:23] <lucasvo> yes
[10:24] <lucasvo> poolie: the dpkg-reconfigure did not work
[10:26] <poolie> is en_US.utf-8 working in other situations on your machine
[10:26] <poolie> ?
[10:30] <i386> poolie: ahh thanks
[10:34] <lucasvo> poolie: how can I set it?
[10:39] <poolie> to set the locale for your shell, just do
[10:40] <poolie> export LANG=en_US.utf-8
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #151208 in bzr "util/configobj should be deleted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151208
[10:40] <poolie> to set it for your whole session, which is generally what you want, choose the right thing from the gdm language menu
[06:03] <smartgpx> Is the author of the mini tutorial online and available, please?
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #151353 in bzr-eclipse "Package renaming fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151353
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #151356 in bzr-eclipse "Invalid value in project properties" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151356
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #151357 in bzr-eclipse "Better detection of lack of bzrxml plugin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151357
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #151371 in bzr-eclipse "bad char at end of log messages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151371
[08:44] <jam-laptop> wow, I finally come back to #bzr and nobody is around talking
[08:44] <jam-laptop> Has the conversation gone away since I left?
[08:46] <Peng> ubotu's still talking. :)
[08:57] <Peng> [14:46:28]  <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[08:57] <Peng> Huh.
[08:57] <Peng> I should start saying that to people/
[09:41] <james_w> jam-laptop: hi. how are you?
[09:41] <jam-laptop> !ubotu how are you
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how are you - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <jam-laptop> ubotu help me
[09:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:42] <jam-laptop> ubotu you rock
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[09:42] <jam-laptop> james_w: Doing pretty well. Trying hard to get enough sleep :0
[09:42] <james_w> that must be tough.
[09:43] <jam-laptop> It can be, depends on the day.
[09:43] <james_w> it's good to have you back though.
[09:44] <james_w> the channel has seemed quieter on the user help front, but busier on development during .au time.
[09:45] <jam-laptop> yeah, it has been good to see Martin doing more work lately.
[09:45] <jam-laptop> :)
[09:45] <jam-laptop> He has certainly been active at bug triage.
[09:45] <james_w> it's not that questions aren't being answered, but it seems we have less easy errors to make.
[09:45] <james_w> yeah, that's been great to see, the bug list did need some tending.
[09:59] <fullermd> jam-laptop: Hey dere, welcome back.  How's the family?
[10:00] <jam-laptop> Pretty good
[10:02] <fullermd> Eggcelent.
[10:59] <bialix> !ubotu bzr
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[11:00] <bialix> !ubotu windows
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[11:00] <bialix> nice
[11:00] <bialix> !ubotu python
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[11:08] <bialix_> jam?
[11:08] <jam-laptop> bialix_: hi
[11:08] <bialix_> hi
[11:09] <bialix_> do you saw new version of Pyrex announce?
[11:09] <jam-laptop> yeah, seems interesting
[11:09] <jam-laptop> I'm not really sure how to maintain compatibility
[11:10] <jam-laptop> For now, I think we just try to avoid __new__
[11:10] <jam-laptop> And live with the warning
[11:10] <jam-laptop> (maybe add a comment about why we aren't switching yet)
[11:10] <jam-laptop> The problem is that we are dependent on the platform to ship the right version of pyrex
[11:10] <jam-laptop> to go along with bzr
[11:10] <jam-laptop> so it is better to expect <0.9.6 until 0.9.6 has been out for a while.
[11:10] <bialix_> plaform -- you mean Ubuntu?
[11:11] <jam-laptop> or windows
[11:11] <jam-laptop> or mac
[11:11] <jam-laptop> or RH
[11:11] <jam-laptop> or ...
[11:11] <jam-laptop> Whoever is compiling Bazaar
[11:11] <bialix_> well, IIUC, the real problems occurs with 0.9.7
[11:11] <jam-laptop> right
[11:11] <jam-laptop> Is there an expected time for 0.9.7?
[11:12] <bialix_> I don't think so
[11:12] <jam-laptop> We also can ask the packagers to make it depend on <=0.9.6
[11:13] <bialix_> author of Pyrex (Greg) is very peculiar person, as I can see from Pyrex ML
[11:13] <bialix_> there is Cython though
[11:13] <bialix_> but I'm not sure how well they solve windows-compatibilty problems
[11:14] <dato> don't packagers just compile the .c files shipped in the tarballs?
[11:14] <bialix_> (and Cython use hg)
[11:14] <dato> (at least debian and ubuntu do that)
[11:14] <jam-laptop> Well, at the moment we use __new__ in a couple places, but they could just as easily be done in __init__
[11:15] <bialix_> may be switch to __init__ will be enough
[11:17] <jam-laptop> well, it will get us through for now, I think
[11:18] <bialix_> I forget: what's important difference between new and init in Pyrex?
[11:18] <jam-laptop> __new__ happens before __init__
[11:18] <jam-laptop> It gives you a chance to initialize your C structures
[11:18] <bialix_> aha
[11:18] <jam-laptop> before the Python object is created, IIRC
[11:18] <jam-laptop> But we don't really need it
[11:19] <jam-laptop> I just did a quick "s/__new__/__init__/" and "make; ./bzr selftest test_knit test_dirstate" still works
[11:20] <jam-laptop> bialix_: do you want to submit a patch to the mailing list?
[11:20] <jam-laptop> vila: ping
[11:20] <bialix_> not now
[11:20] <jam-laptop> k, I'll send something
[11:21] <bialix_> btw, just looking at cdef class Reader
[11:21] <bialix_> there is something suspicious
[11:21] <bialix_> self.text_size = PyString_Size(text)
[11:22] <bialix_> actually self.text_size is int, but PyString_Size returns ssize_t
[11:22] <bialix_> it's nitpicking though
[11:22] <jam-laptop> Except for in Python2.4 when it is still int
[11:22] <jam-laptop> So I didn't worry about it
[11:22] <bialix_> I like that Pyrex now handle ssize_t natively
[11:22] <jam-laptop> Plus it would be PySsize_t
[11:23] <jam-laptop> or something like that
[11:23] <jam-laptop> We can <int> cast it if you prefer
[11:23] <bialix_> yeah, you're right
[11:23] <jam-laptop> But until 0.9.6 or so PySsize_t wasn't a recognized size
[11:23] <jam-laptop> sorry, recognized type
[11:23] <jam-laptop> so we had other issues with it.
[11:24] <bialix_> vila seems to be AFK
[11:25] <bialix_> btw, recently there was little discussion wo flame war) in Pyrex ML about VCS for Pyrex
[11:26] <bialix_> noone argument wons
[11:29] <jam-laptop> patch sent
[11:33] <bialix> jam said: "__new__ happens before __init__.It gives you a chance to initialize your C structures" -- from this point changing name from new to cinit is reasonable and straightforward
[11:36] <mhagger> I'm the cvs2svn maintainer.  I was wondering whether there would be much enthusiasm in this community for a "cvs2bzr" based on our code.
[11:37] <mhagger> cvs2svn already has a git output module, and I don't think it would be much work to add output to bzr (given a little bit of help from somebody with bzr expertise)
[11:37] <jam-laptop> bialix: Actually I switched from __new__ to __init__ (not __cinit__) because __cinit__ doesn't work with pyrex <0.9.6
[11:38] <mhagger> cvs2svn only does one-time conversions (not incremental) but it is very robust and has *a lot* of features.
[11:38] <jam-laptop> mhagger: there will probably be some interest. I know there are a couple of ways to convert from cvs to bzr (cscvs, cvsps-import, tailor)
[11:38] <bialix> jam-laptop: right, I just thinking slow about your point
[11:38] <jam-laptop> But if your CVS parsing is superior
[11:38] <jam-laptop> then it will certainly get used
[11:38] <mhagger> [See http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/cvs2svn.html for some details]
[11:38] <bialix> yes, yes, yes: I have too much f interest of converting my old cvsnt repo to bzr
[11:39] <jam-laptop> I personally wrote cvsps-import, which uses 'cvsps' to parse the CVS info and build up changesets
[11:39] <jam-laptop> But I don't think cvsps is all that great
[11:39] <jam-laptop> So I would be happy to use a different back end
[11:39] <mhagger> Yes, I think that cvsps has known problems
[11:39] <bialix> I rememeber cvs2svn claimed it's not supporting cvsnt. something changed in last 2 years?
[11:39] <mhagger> jam-laptop: Perhaps you are just the expert I am looking for :-)
[11:40] <jam-laptop> Though it would be nice if it could be repeated
[11:40] <jam-laptop> mhagger: most likely :)
[11:40] <mhagger> No, we still don't support CVSNT
[11:40] <jam-laptop> I know ddaa and lifeless both have cried some tears of blood trying to work on converting from CVS
[11:40] <bialix> :-(
[11:40] <jam-laptop> cscvs actually has some of the most advanced CVS work I've encountered
[11:40] <mhagger> bialix: Though if you use the --use-cvs option and make sure that the CVSNT binary is used, there might be some hope.
[11:40] <jam-laptop> in that it even keeps snapshots
[11:41] <jam-laptop> so when people do manual surgery on CVS
[11:41] <jam-laptop> it can still  recover
[11:41] <bialix> cvsnt have really killer feature: pseudo-atomic commits and merge history
[11:41] <jam-laptop> mhagger: I think bialix is also looking to support some of CVSNT's extended tags
[11:41] <bialix> mhagger: it's really works for me in the past, thanks
[11:42] <mhagger> bialix: I don't have anything against CVSNT except for the rather unpleasant very commercial community around it
[11:42] <bialix> IIUC, the main problem with cvsnt is absense of tech docs
[11:42] <mhagger> If a CVSNT expert wants to join forces, I doubt that it would be too hard to add CVSNT support to cvs2svn
[11:43] <mhagger> bialix: Exactly.  And lack of developer time over in cvs2svn-land :-)
[11:43] <bialix> time is always too little
[11:43] <mhagger> I've only read a little bit about cscvs
[11:43] <bialix> I used TortoiseCVS a lot, and it use cvsnt internally
[11:43] <mhagger> But it looked like it doesn't support branches ?!?
[11:43] <jam-laptop> mhagger: the biggest problem with cscvs is it isn't very human friendly
[11:44] <jam-laptop> mhagger: Last I knew, it can support them
[11:44] <jam-laptop> but it refuses to "guess" where the branch point occured
[11:44] <jam-laptop> so you have to give it a bit of a nudge
[11:44] <mhagger> Ah, that's good to know.
[11:44] <jam-laptop> But yeah, I think that was one of the reasons I didn't use it over cvsps
[11:45] <mhagger> There are two ambiguities about branch creation in the CVS record: when and whence
[11:45] <bialix> cvscs is not working in pure windows
[11:45] <mhagger> Branch creation does not include timestamps
[11:45] <mhagger> and it is also often ambiguous what is the parent branch of a given branch.
[11:45] <fullermd> cvsps-import has been a good friend to me...  I like the auto-handling of branches and tags.
[11:46] <mhagger> cvs2svn has heuristics for both problems, and allows the user to specify a "hints" file to help with the second problem.
[11:46] <jam-laptop> mhagger: is it possible to store some conversion information, so that if you convert a second time, you can start where you left off?
[11:47] <jam-laptop> I know I've found that cvsps isn't terribly deterministic
[11:47] <mhagger> No, not yet.  I've thought about what it would take to add that feature, but it would be a lot of work
[11:47] <jam-laptop> I've had small updates cause it to shift things around quite a bit
[11:47] <jam-laptop> mhagger: well, aren't you using an intermediate DB anyway?
[11:47] <mhagger> IMHO trying to make the conversion deterministic is not the right route
[11:47] <jam-laptop> I'm not trying for deterministic
[11:47] <jam-laptop> just recording what has happend
[11:47] <jam-laptop> ed
[11:47] <jam-laptop> so you can continue without having to start all over
[11:47] <mhagger> Yes
[11:48] <mhagger> You basically just have to remember the frontier of the last conversion
[11:48] <jam-laptop> converting 175k revisions is a bit painful
[11:48] <jam-laptop> (The Mozilla source tree has ~175k revisions across 55k files)
[11:48] <bialix> our beloved mozilla tree
[11:48] <mhagger> But the real trick is that CVS allows history to be changed; for example, branches and revisions can be deleted; tags can be moved, etc
[11:49] <jam-laptop> mhagger: which is, to my understanding, why cscvs keeps state snapshots
[11:49] <mhagger> I use the mozilla repo for testing cvs2svn.  It converts in about 17 hours on a modest computer
[11:49] <jam-laptop> so it can say "you deleted X, I can workaround that"
[11:49] <mhagger> That is converting to SVN.  Converting to git should be much faster
[11:49] <fullermd> I'd like to see what bzr does to the BSD tree after the inventory gets reworked...
[11:49] <jam-laptop> fullermd: you're just trying to make me cry, right?
[11:50] <fullermd> Well, you don't have to do it with tailor this time   ;)
[11:50] <jam-laptop> (I'm a little curious to, but that is a ways off)
[11:50] <fullermd> That alone should chop like 95% of the time off.
[11:50] <jam-laptop> yeah
[11:50] <jam-laptop> Well, Tailor using raw "cvs" to update the WT
[11:50] <jam-laptop> means you have an enforced 1s pause for each revision
[11:50] <bialix> btw, guys, when I gave a talk in Kiev this spring one guy asked me about speed of bzr comparable to baz
[11:50] <jam-laptop> though when we last tried to convert, bzr was taking 6s+ to work out the inventory
[11:51] <fullermd> Yah.  Miserable.
[11:51] <jam-laptop> so it didn't really matter.
[11:51] <fullermd> Well.  Considering that's a 1s pause for each _file_ in the revision...  it still adds up.
[11:51] <jam-laptop> bialix: I would say that bzr smokes baz in all ways possible
[11:51] <bialix> he used baz (or tla) to follow FreeBsd mainstream
[11:51] <bialix> or something similar
[11:51] <fullermd> bzr should be a lot faster now though.  That was what, aroudn 0.11 or something?
[11:51] <bialix> no, it was around 0.15
[11:51] <jam-laptop> fullermd: yeah, but it shows up as 'sleep' time, and the total %sleep was still pretty low
[11:51] <bialix> dirstate!
[11:52] <bialix> windows locking problems!
[11:52] <bialix> you remember?
[11:52] <fullermd> bialix: Nono, I mean last time jam-laptop fiddled with the BSD tree conversion.
[11:52] <jam-laptop> fullermd: I think it was 0.11
[11:52] <jam-laptop> that sounds about right
[11:52] <bialix> oh, sorry
[11:52] <mhagger> I added git output to cvs2svn a couple of months ago, and it only required two files with a total of like 300 lines of code.
[11:52] <jam-laptop> fullermd: it *might* have even been back with weaves (<0.8)
[11:52] <jam-laptop> but I don't think I would be that foolish
[11:53] <fullermd> Oh, I'm pretty sure it wasn't that far back.
[11:53] <mhagger> Of course that is using the excellent and well-documented git-fast-import tool to actually built the repository
[11:53] <bialix> fullermd: FreeBSD still uses CVS?
[11:53] <fullermd> We've still got at least one good dirstate fuggery around.  Get that fixed, then we can try it with the 150k file trees to find more   ;)
[11:53] <fullermd> bialix: Yah.
[11:53] <fullermd> See http://wiki.freebsd.org/VersionControl
[11:54] <bialix> ok, so I remember a question right
[11:54] <mhagger> So if somebody is interested to help create a bzr backend for cvs2svn, please let me know
[11:54] <fullermd> I'm just _dying_ to fill in bzr columns there.  But without inventory reworking, it'll say "bzr rocks, it's slow as molasses, and you'll need to buy a 500 gig drive to store the inventory knit"
[11:54] <bialix> mhagger: you're using some sort of pluggable architecture?
[11:54] <mhagger> Yes
[11:55] <mhagger> 90% of the work is deciphering the CVS history, and the results are easily available to the output backend
[11:55] <mhagger> (It's all Python, by the way)
[11:55] <bialix> I know
[11:55] <bialix> I read the sources occasionaly
[11:55] <bialix> just wonder how hard to add miniml cvsnt tags support
[11:56] <bialix> minimal^
[11:56] <mhagger> bialix: Discussion of the details of adding CVSNT support should probably move to #cvs2svn.  We'd be glad to have you over there :-)
[11:57] <bialix> well, I read man on RCS files, then I looking on my old cvsnt/TortoiseCVS repos, and have some ideas
[11:57] <bialix> but from first view cvs2svn parsing code seems a bit complicated
[11:58] <mhagger> How do people get content into bzr?  Is there a documented interface or tool for adding content?
[11:58] <bialix> jam, please
[11:59] <jam-laptop> sorry, I was distracted
[11:59] <mhagger> (I.e., the equivalent of "svnadmin load" or "git-fast-import"?)
[11:59] <bialix> we have bzrlib, it's written in Python
[12:00] <bialix> we have very reach API
[12:00] <jam-laptop> mhagger: generally you use the python api
[12:00] <mhagger> Is it documented?
[12:00] <bialix> yes
[12:00] <jam-laptop> If *I* were doing this work, I would probably just adapt the cvsps-import code
[12:01] <mhagger> Sure, that's probably doable.
[12:01] <bialix> at least it's a good example
[12:01] <jam-laptop> mhagger: All of the code has docstrings (part of our review process requires them). There is some higher level documentation, though some of it could be better.
[12:01] <jam-laptop> And you'll find people here to be pretty helpful
[12:01] <bialix> and jam our expert
[12:01] <mhagger> I even though about adding a cvsps-compatible output format for cvs2svn so all the other tools could use it right away.
[12:01] <jam-laptop> mhagger: well, I wouldn't recommend it
[12:01] <jam-laptop> the cvsps output has some... issues
[12:02] <mhagger> Yes, that's what I decided :-)
[12:02] <jam-laptop> Like you can have text comments that look like meta-info
[12:02] <jam-laptop> I have a parser which generally handles it


[19:37] <tracker007> olá
[19:37] <tracker007> sou novo no linux
[19:38] <tracker007> como atualizo por terminal o xubuntu?
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[19:45] <ochosi> secondly, we only speak english here
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[20:51] <flocculant> hi Finn :p
[20:51] <knome> o/
[20:52] <flocculant> knome: with final beta next week - not even going to bother fighting x.org login for a pretty announcement - so if we want one - someone else will have to do it
[20:53] <knome> can do that, just work on the material $somewhere and point me to it
[20:54] <flocculant> well release note will be http://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/17.04/release-notes updated
[23:36] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:47] <knome> greetings from the after sauna state


[21:20] <genii> BobJonkman: FYI... yes, the 15.04 Release Party is a go, day of release at 8
[21:20] <BobJonkman> Hooray!
[21:20] <BobJonkman> I'll be inviting all my Libre and Mappy friends
[21:21] <BobJonkman> Usual place?
[21:21] <genii> BobJonkman: I still need to put up a page at the loco portal too
[21:22] <genii> Hm, release parties are not yet listed
[21:30] <genii> BobJonkman: Added it anyhow: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3074-toronto-1504-release-party/
[21:31] <BobJonkman> genii: Yeah, I put the KW party in too.  Can always add the Global Event later
[21:32] <BobJonkman> KW party: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3071/detail/
[21:33] <BobJonkman> I did ask on #ubuntu-locoteams about a global event a couple of weeks ago, but no response
[21:36] <BobJonkman> OK, now to write up a little something for the ubuntu-ca list, the forums, the Launchpad team, and then for the foreigners who might want to attend: GTALUG mailing list, LibrePlanet mailing list, KWLUG mailing list, &c.
[21:36] <genii> I have to go look up my twitter password now so I can push it out there too :)
[22:10] <genii> BobJonkman: I think I just got you, Maggie, and Ralph too in a mass BCC email
[22:12] <BobJonkman> genii You should log back on at http://sn.jonkman.ca/genii/ -- any posts there are transferred through the Twitterbridge (but one-way only, Twitter messages don't come back. Used to work, but now that part is broken)
[22:13] <BobJonkman> genii And yup, just got your e-mail
[22:13] <genii> :)


[07:37] <coolbhavi> dpm, good morning!
[07:38] <dpm> hey coolbhavi
[07:38] <coolbhavi> just wanted to ask you a question
[07:39] <coolbhavi> just took a look at the schedule and found the ARB planning and App dev process discussion are at same time
[07:45] <coolbhavi> dpm, so is it ok?
[07:46] <dpm> coolbhavi, hm, I took it out of the schedule yesterday, so that they don't fall at the same time. Has it been scheduled at the same time again?
[07:47] <coolbhavi> yes
[08:07] <dpm> coolbhavi, ok, thanks for the heads up. I'm waiting for some other sessions to be rescheduled first, but I'll make sure these two don't conflict
[08:07] <coolbhavi> dpm, thanks!
[11:52] <cwayne> ello
[13:56] <coolbhavi> cwayne, hey!
[14:05] <cwayne> coolbhavi: hey, hows it goin
[14:08] <coolbhavi> cwayne, good! you in denmark now?
[14:08] <cwayne> coolbhavi: yep
[14:09] <coolbhavi> cwayne, how is the weather there?
[14:10] <cwayne> coolbhavi: a bit chilly
[14:10] <cwayne> but not horrible
[14:10] <coolbhavi> cwayne, ok so ll bring my thermals in :)


[06:36] <andrewlsd> Maaz tell chesedo please DM andrewlsd
[06:36] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Righto, I'll tell chesedo on freenode
[07:31] <Langjan> Hi Kilos how are you doing mate?
[09:19] <Kilos> hi Langjan im ok ty and you?
[09:20] <Langjan> Fine thks Kilos we have had >30 mm rain since Wednesday, still wet - what a relief!
[09:20] <Kilos> yay
[09:21] <Kilos> i see things are bad there
[09:21] <Kilos> even worse than when i was there
[09:21] <Langjan> Well I think your area got more rain than we did and looks good for the weekend too
[09:22] <Kilos> lets hope
[09:22] <Kilos> here its always raining
[09:22] <Kilos> and cold
[09:22] <Kilos> and windy
[09:22] <Kilos> storm with winds gusting at 100kph last night
[09:23] <Langjan> eish! yes my daughter in Canberra is also complaining about the cold and wet
[09:23] <Langjan> Bloem got very heavy hail, Google it
[09:24] <Kilos> need big hails there to sort some of the bad stuff out
[09:25] <Langjan> Jaaaa, lmga! My comp stuff  also looks like the hail hit it
[09:25] <Kilos> why
[09:25] <Kilos> oh i saw you got kde
[09:25] <Kilos> you woke at last
[09:25] <Xethron> Kilos! Heya
[09:25] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[09:26] <Xethron> How goes?
[09:26] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[09:26] <Langjan> New Cell phone not working, new portable ssd not working due to broken package prob - see my mails on community
[09:26] <Xethron> Good thanks
[09:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:27] <Xethron> You still in Australia?
[09:27] <Kilos> yessir
[09:27] <Kilos> another 35 days
[09:27] <Xethron> Thats good news!
[09:27] <Xethron> And the hospital stuff? That under control now?
[09:28] <Kilos> half way there
[09:28] <Xethron> Awesome
[09:28] <Kilos> awsesome if it was in rands
[09:29] <Kilos> the exchange rate is a killer
[09:29] <Kilos> with doctors and ambulance still about 9k aud to go
[09:31] <Kilos> i need to look at the total again , but the hospital itself is down to 5k
[09:54] <Kilos> night all. have a great day. aand give my best to superfly please
[14:25] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos thanks :-)
[14:25] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[18:51] <captine> evening all
[19:06] <superfly> hi captine
[19:13] <zipper> Sup dudes
[19:19] <superfly> hi zipper
[22:00] <inetpro> fp
[23:26] <zquish102> btw superfly, if you want any help on moving to the US, let me know (questions etc)