[01:35] <awag> hi, i just installed 7.10
[01:36] <awag> and the search for files button from the main menu seems to be missing
[01:39] <jjesse> awag: its been replaced by strigi
[01:39] <jjesse> complete desktop search
[01:40] <awag> oh
[01:40] <awag> ok, thanks
[02:11] <DaSkreech> ping anyone on gutsy
[02:13] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: yes?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> are you using conversation ?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Blast
[02:14] <DaSkreech>  Konversation
[02:20] <DaSkreech> try /list ftp and tell me what the results look like
[02:20] <Tm_T> Konversation? uh, I'm irssi user
[02:21] <Tm_T> hum, but I'll try
[02:21] <Tm_T>  ##pureftpd
[02:21] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:22] <Tm_T> no other hits this far
[02:22] <Tm_T> why?
[02:22] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: No It's a gutsy konversation bug I'm hunting down
[02:22] <Tm_T> and?
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Oh that's from Konversation ?
[02:23] <Tm_T> I'm in gutsy and started Konversation, yes
[02:23] <Tm_T>  #twftp
[02:23] <DaSkreech> hmm
[02:23] <DaSkreech> I get all chans twice
[02:24] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:24] <Tm_T> I dont
[02:24] <DaSkreech> ok must be something bone headed I did then
[02:24] <DaSkreech> 3.5.8?
[02:24] <Tm_T> sure
[02:24] <Tm_T> there other choices? ;-P
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Oh 3.5.8 is default now for gutsy? :)
[02:27] <DaSkreech> I was testing it from before so I didn't notice the switch over I guess
[02:45] <jjesse> DaSkreech: did you get your bug tested? i'm running gutsy and konverstation
[02:56] <DaSkreech> jjesse: try /list ftp
[02:57] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[02:57] <jjesse> DaSkreech: what am i supposed to get?
[02:58] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i get a list of channels filtered by ftp
[02:58] <jjesse> [263]  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[03:01] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I got all the channs listed twice
[03:01] <jjesse> wow just crashed out
[03:01] <jjesse> disconnected me from from freenode
[03:01] <jjesse> [263]  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[03:02] <jjesse> DaSkreech: getting server load is heavy
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah freenode apparently gets noticed by some ass backward developers in some freak movement
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> anyone here
[03:10] <jjesse> define "here"
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> I updated openoffice today and the kde splash screen is back to the ubuntu one, instead of the blue kubuntu one
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: here in this channel :-)
[03:11] <jjesse> interseting haven't tried myself
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: so try ut
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> it
[03:11] <jjesse> nixternal: have you taken any .net classes besides apsn.net?
[03:12] <jjesse> jeroenvrp: don't want to restart my session :)
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> why should you
[03:12] <jjesse> oh for open office
[03:13] <jjesse> i can confirm that bug
[03:13] <jjesse> back to ubuntu brown :(
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: yep
[03:13] <jjesse> jeroenvrp: you fil ethe bug i'll confirm it :)
[03:13] <jjesse> and target it for gutsy ?
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: ok
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> 1 moment
[03:15] <DaSkreech> And put it as blocking :-)
[03:22] <jeroenvrp> 'openoffice.org-kde' is a binary package. This bug has been assigned to its source package 'openoffice.org' instead.
[03:22] <jeroenvrp> weird
[03:23] <jjesse> garg why can't i just install ssh server and run it on my opensuse box :(
[03:24] <DaSkreech> yast -i ssh ?
[03:25] <DaSkreech> !search troll
[03:25] <ubotu> Found: nl-troll, nl-troll in een internetomgeving
[03:25] <jjesse> apparently there is a firewall i wasn't aware of?
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: Bug #153132
[03:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153132 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  I updated openoffice today and the OOo splash screen is back to the ubuntu one, instead of the blue kubuntu one" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153132
[03:25] <Hobbsee> we're *not* rebuilding openoffice.
[03:26] <bddebian> heh
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: ?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> for gutsy
[03:26] <DaSkreech> can You swap the texture? :)
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> I'm not asking for that
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> The Kubuntu splash screen is gone as of today
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> all the work for that and now a few days for release it is gone
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: have you found the problem as to why it's not there?
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: no
[03:28] <jjesse> jeroenvrp: confirmed
[03:28] <Hobbsee> can you?
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> I just updated, just like jjesse
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> just after the updated
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jjesse: btw, alsa is a pain to update - likes regressing, etc.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and we dont really have sound experts
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> and openoffice.org-kde is still there
[03:28] <jjesse> Hobbsee: this is a regression
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> I eveb reinstalled it., no l;uck
[03:28] <jjesse> both problems open office and alsa
[03:29] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i realise that
[03:29] <jjesse> i guess i just want the best and if i knew how to fix i would try
[03:30] <Hobbsee> of which?  alsa or ooo?
[03:31] <jjesse> open office
[03:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: check the diff between the old and new versions, etc.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: ubuntu goes by source packages, not binaries, btw.
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: ok
[03:33] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: crimsum ?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: well, yes, when he's here, but he's terribly busy
[03:34] <DaSkreech> I know
[03:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: and he's also not paid to work on ubuntu, so it's probably not reasonable to make him fix *everyone's* sound
[03:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hm, that sucks
[03:38] <Hobbsee> jjesse: please try to track that down.  just saying "it's a regression" wont get it fixed.
[03:38] <jjesse> wich one? the open office or the alsa one?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ooo
[03:38] <Hobbsee> we're not touching alsa
[03:38] <Hobbsee> alsa is a bitch, and what works for some will break for others, etc, etc, etc.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and get to it quickly - we dont want to have to delay the release.
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: ok I found the reason about the OOo splash screen
[03:40] <jjesse> what happened?
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> in /usr/lib/openoffice/program
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> you have a intro.bmp, thats the blue one
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> and you have openintro_ubuntu.bmp, the brown one
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> the latter one is used
[03:41] <jjesse> hmm update the bug then?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> please do
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Still sounds like a recompile
[03:41] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, well.
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> so overwriting the brown with the blue fixes it
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> I will do
[03:41] <DaSkreech> unless you do some creative rename on the Install cd :)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah what jeroenvrp just said
[03:44] <jeroenvrp> done
[03:47] <nixternal> jjesse: I have taken a few .NET classes, asp.net, c#, vb.net, j#.net..the list goes on..and the one thing I remember from all of them, they are horrible :)
[03:49] <jjesse> just curious, i'm doing a very brief overview of .net and don't know anything about it
[03:49] <DaSkreech> nixternal: They need some OO assembly that would be leet
[03:51] <nixternal> eww
[03:52] <nixternal> assembly sucks, I don't ever want to look at it again in my life
[03:52] <DaSkreech> OO assembly man. It would rock
[03:52] <ScottK> I guess it's been a while since I booted Edgy.  250MB of updates.
[03:53] <DaSkreech> What the hell is wrong with this thing
[03:53] <jjesse> wow that's a lot of updates
[03:53] <jjesse> OPenOffice?
[03:55] <ScottK> And a new kernel and a bunch of other stuff too.
[04:32] <jjesse> its official i'm going to sydney to teach the class, schedule is booked
[04:33] <jjesse> nowi just have too book the flight and hotel
[04:33] <Hobbsee> woot!
[04:33] <Hobbsee> when?
[04:34] <jjesse> 12 nov thru 15 november
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> (too near my exams :()
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger_t
[05:34] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, I am having some issues with kde4-beta3
[05:34] <CPrgmSwR2> ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libkpty.so: cannot open shared object file: No
[05:42] <CPrgmSwR2> where can I get libkpty.so
[05:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping ?
[05:53] <stdin> !find libkpty.so
[05:53] <ubotu> Package/file libkpty.so does not exist in feisty
[05:54] <Hobbsee> i'd guess it should be in kde4lbis
[05:54] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee: I install kde4libs and its not on my system
[05:54] <Hobbsee> the operative word there is "should"
[05:54] <CPrgmSwR2> sorry
[05:54] <stdin> kdelibs5-dev
[05:56] <CPrgmSwR2> i am installing that now
[06:01] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: that did the trick
[06:02] <Jucato> all hail stdin's unfathomable knowledge
[06:02] <stdin> dpkg -S libkpty.so
[06:02] <stdin> it's easy when you know how :)
[06:03] <stdin> I think installing kde4base-dev and kdebase-workspace *should* grab everything you need
[06:18] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a way to install the latest 8.40 drivers of fglrx?
[06:20] <stdin> unless it's in the repos the only way is to manually install it
[06:21] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: out of couriousity why isn't gutsy making use of the latest drivers?
[06:21] <stdin> I don't know
[06:21] <stdin> I don't use nvidia or ati so I'm not too bothered ;)
[06:22] <CPrgmSwR2> The main source of my issue is that kde4 is unsuable without the latest fglrx drivers
[06:22] <stdin> maybe poke around in #ubuntu-devel and ask them
[06:22] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[07:17] <yuriy> ooh this looks interesting http://www.packagekit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's getting great press
[07:22] <yuriy> i was just catching up on planetkde and saw that
[07:22] <yuriy> would be great to have a cross-distro package manager gui
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Wasn't that what Smart was ?
[07:25] <yuriy> i thought smart is/was a whole package management system, though i may be wrong cause i never researched it at all
[07:26] <yuriy> hmm reading the FAQ and it doesn't sound so good anymore
[07:27] <DaSkreech> a\packagekit ?
[07:32] <yuriy> DaSkreech: yeah. well there are some things in there that sound really neat but a couple that are not so good
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Like?
[07:32] <yuriy> for instance: PackageKit does not have the fine-grained API to do everything. For instance, synaptic should still use libapt as can do much more than can be provided by PK.
[07:32] <yuriy> seems to almost defeat the point
[07:32] <yuriy> though is probably inevitable
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Well yeah it would be complicated beyond reason if it absorbed the complexity of everything
[07:34] <yuriy> also expects silent installation of everything, which wouldn't work for nonfree things like flash, but that can probably be changed if need be
[07:35] <yuriy> but stuff like not locking the database all the time and fast user switching sounds really nice
[07:38] <DaSkreech> When doesn't it lock the database?
[07:40] <yuriy> well if i understand this correctly you can have the UI up but as long as you're not actually installing packages you'd be able to install them with, say, aptitude without getting an error
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's something I never got with adept
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Can't it do apt-cache search without locking anything?
[07:42] <yuriy> hmmm... does synaptic do that?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:43] <yuriy> yes it locks it
[07:43] <yuriy> k, 'nuff reading, gnight
[07:44] <DaSkreech> night
[08:18] <mhb> Riddell: which server admin should we ask again? Also, won't he still require your consent as the de facto website maintainer?
[09:49] <doc__> hi there
[10:51] <doc__> toscalix: :P
[10:53] <toscalix> hi
[11:09] <rohan> what package does kubuntu use to display OSD when i control volume using volume keys on keyboard ? because atm in gutsy the OSD is not working
[11:23] <_StefanS_> rohan: kmilo should display a form of osd
[11:23] <_StefanS_> rohan: maybe you can get xosd to work donno
[11:24] <rohan> but shouldn't kmilo work out of box
[11:24] <rohan> it used to work on a fresh install
[11:24] <rohan> it just suddenly stopped workng
[11:25] <rohan> i hope i don't need to reinstall kubuntu just for this small glitch :(
[12:46] <Tonio_> hi there
[12:52] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[12:54] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ ;)
[12:54] <Tonio_> how are you ?
[12:54] <_StefanS_> any news ? :)
[12:54] <_StefanS_> fine thanks
[12:54] <_StefanS_> and you?
[12:54] <_StefanS_> I'm doing a bit of paid work today... we gotta live.
[12:54] <Tonio_> fine, at work for 27 hours in a row, but that's fine
[12:55] <_StefanS_> holy cow
[12:55] <_StefanS_> where are you working?
[12:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah that sometimes happens while at the end of a project
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: werent you a sysadm?
[12:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: a linux specialized company in paris
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah yep I remember now
[12:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: atm I'm doing a desktop distro based on kubuntu for a client
[12:56] <Tonio_> with active directory integration and SSO over kerberos
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: localized in french I imagine
[12:56] <Tonio_> pretty fun :)
[12:56] <_StefanS_> sounds really interesting
[12:56] <_StefanS_> I wish I had a similar project..
[12:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, french for the moment, but the copany is hudge, and will probably go english soon
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: It wouldn't happen to be steria you're working for?
[12:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was an employee there for a few years, in the danish part
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my company's called linagora
[12:58] <_StefanS_> ah ok, I know theyre big in france
[12:58] <_StefanS_> oh, dont know it
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the copany that did the french parliament migration to ubuntu
[12:58] <_StefanS_> yes I think you mentioned that before
[12:58] <_StefanS_> are they happy with it?
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I've been engaged because of this so ... :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hard to say
[12:59] <Tonio_> lots of things have gone wrong with the distro on that point
[12:59] <Tonio_> but that's more because of certain choices done by the parliament IT than the distro itself
[12:59] <Tonio_> I didn't have that much feedback
[01:00] <Tonio_> but of course lots of people probably complained since they just didn't want to change
[01:00] <Tonio_> that's the problem when people are forced to change
[01:00] <_StefanS_> yep I had that in mind too
[01:00] <Tonio_> they don't react the same way than people who did their own decision, and are ready to pay the price to succeed, and make consistent efforts to learn
[01:00] <_StefanS_> always hard.
[01:01] <_StefanS_> thats true.. management are also pretty bad generally in the state/goverment sectors
[01:01] <Tonio_> lett's say their problem are more politics than technical :)
[01:01] <Tonio_> that explains hehe :)
[01:02] <_StefanS_> yups
[01:03] <Tonio_> damn I have to prepare for thursday openweel speech
[01:03] <_StefanS_> good luck
[01:03] <Tonio_> I didn't prepare anything and I'll probably spend the all tomorrow sleeping
[01:03] <Tonio_> I don't even know what to talk about :)
[01:03] <_StefanS_> you can sleep when you get old.
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah, but you get old quicker when you don't sleep ;)
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's the trick :)
[01:04] <_StefanS_> thats true hehe
[01:04] <_StefanS_> I'm completely borked also
[01:04] <_StefanS_> I'm up 2 times during the night giving food to our boy
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: me too, and since I still have a few things to do, I'll probably stop the discussion there, sorry !
[01:05] <Tonio_> we'll have more time tomorrow once I'm a human again
[01:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have a project for you and me, coding, you might like :)
[01:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 2 projects in fact
[01:05] <_StefanS_> oh my, sounds good.
[01:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but better discuss this tomorrow
[01:05] <_StefanS_> yep have a good sleep
[01:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I have a 2h30 ride to go home hehe :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and I'll not leave before at least 3 hours :/
[01:06] <_StefanS_> dont fall asleep behind the wheel
[01:06] <Tonio_> that'll be a nice 32 consecutive hours
[01:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: an consider lots of people believe that all the french are working 35 hours a week.......
[01:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll go by train
[01:07] <_StefanS_> yep
[01:07] <_StefanS_> oh you can sleep a bit there
[01:07] <_StefanS_> and when you wake up your laptop is stolen, together with your underwear.
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum that never happened to me, neither to any personn I know
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: too many people in the train probably
[01:08] <_StefanS_> hehe just kidding you
[01:08] <Tonio_> bye
[01:08] <_StefanS_> bye
[01:17] <_StefanS_> anyone know how performance is of virtualbox compared vmware workstation 6?
[01:24] <Riddell> I've never had much luck with either
[01:38] <mhb> much ado about packagekit these days
[01:39] <Riddell> mhb: I'm unclear why the guy making the qt library is wrapping libpackagekit rather than just talking to dbus directly
[01:40] <mhb> I am unclear why we are using dbus (IPC) to achieve a "facade" design pattern
[01:41] <mhb> or is that
[01:42] <mhb> we cannot agree on a single (object-oriented) programming language, so we have to use IPC?
[01:44] <mhb> I don't want to argue, please, if someone knows the reason, let me know
[01:44] <mhb> see yah, I have to go to school now
[01:54] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[01:54] <Riddell> mhb: well quite, everyone agrees on dbus and it gives complete abstraction so it's tends to be chosen
[01:54] <Riddell> hi davmor2
[01:55] <Riddell> it's as much political as a technical choice I'm sure
[01:55] <davmor2> Riddell: the .py script is working on live and I'm in the process of installing :)
[01:55] <Riddell> plus you get to break API and ABI and nobody much cares
[01:55] <Riddell> davmor2: so you boot up live and it sets the right DPI?
[01:57] <davmor2> Riddell: It is viewable and usable so I think it has been forced rather than what we had at the pie factory :)
[02:16] <Riddell> davmor2: exceppent
[02:16] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent rather
[02:23] <sahin_h> Hmmm. KDE 3.5.8 in Gutsy?
[02:23] <Jucato> yes
[02:23] <Jucato> for a few days now. and KDE 3.5.8 is officially out
[02:24] <sahin_h> I'm just installing RC on one of my desktop machine from the alternate CD...
[02:24] <sahin_h> ... and I realized the name of the packages contains 3.5.8.
[02:24] <Jucato> ah didn't realize 3.5.8 made it to the RC release... thought only after
[02:25] <sahin_h> I took 3.5.8 won't be in Gutsy. What a nice surprise.
[02:25] <Jucato> all thanks to Riddell's incredible powers :)
[02:25] <Tm_T> I thought it was me
[02:26] <Jucato> nah, you have incredible op powers. along w/ stdin
[02:26] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:27] <Jucato> I have incredible, annoying poking powers, enough to poke a core-devel to change Konqi's long standing annoying shortcut :)
[02:27] <Tm_T> ?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> kubuntu-devels incredible powers
[02:28] <Jucato> I poked dfaure the other day about Ctrl+Home in Konqi :)
[02:28] <Jucato> you too? heh :)
[02:28] <Jucato> :P
[02:29] <Jucato> hehe maybe I got lucky since it was a kde core-dev :)
[02:29] <sahin_h> Kubuntu developers have Chuck Norris like abilities: http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ ;-)
[03:28] <Riddell> anyone having problems with https in konqueror? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/152449
[03:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152449 in kdebase "HTTPS not working with Konqueror 3.5.8" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[03:30] <Jucato> hm.. worksforme. gutsy right?
[03:30] <stdin> Riddell: well I just visited the bug URL with konqueror and all is fine
[03:31] <Riddell> I think the bug reporter is just confused
[03:32] <Jucato> stdin: your favorite "troll" is at it in #kde now that he's practically banned in *buntu channels :)
[03:32] <stdin> yeah, I was just reading it
[03:33] <stdin> I wonder if we can convince sho_ to kick him :>
[03:33] <Hobbsee> stdin: which?  xp_killer?
[03:33] <Jucato> yep
[03:33] <Hobbsee> stdin: can probably convince a staffer more easily
[03:33] <stdin> aka "wii"
[03:33] <Jucato> stdin: well #kde is a bit more lenient than *buntu channels. but I gave sho a heads up about him already
[03:34] <Jucato> if he doesn't get kicked for trolling, he'll get kicked for insisting on asking about kubuntu in #kde :)
[03:34] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, I know, it's just out of spite :p
[03:34] <Jucato> hahahah
[03:35] <Jucato> although Hobbsee's entrance into the channel is a bit too late right? :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nah.  i wouldnt bother kickbanning him from there
[03:35] <ScottK> Riddell: no https trouble here on the current Gutsy packages.
[03:35] <Jucato> hahah
[03:43] <emonkey> I can confirm this bug
[03:43] <emonkey> just tested
[03:44] <emonkey> try to click on several links in launchpad and sometimes there will be no secured icon in konqueror
[03:44] <emonkey> and the adressline has his normal http color
[03:45] <emonkey> the bug appears not en every click in my case but it appears
[03:46] <Riddell> yes, I agree in paypal
[03:46] <Riddell> it says it's not using SSL, even though it is
[03:50] <Jucato> !visternal
[03:50] <nixternal> I knew this is where you would attack
[03:50] <Jucato> aw.. it's gone? or the bot's lagging? :)
[03:50] <nixternal> bot is lagging
[03:50] <Jucato> it's the only place I can attack :)
[03:50] <nixternal> haha
[03:50] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[03:50] <nixternal> there you go
[03:51] <Riddell> nixternal: I take it the updated winfoss didn't happen?
[03:51] <nixternal> dude, my distributed address book I did for my project...well the teacher wants it printed out in landscape...man that is a lot of paper
[03:51] <Jucato> teachers.... they always  make sane/sensible requirements/demands. :)
[03:51] <nixternal> Riddell: shoot, I have been swamped...can I do something for it today, or is it to late?
[03:52] <Riddell> nixternal: naw, it's too late, it's not very important though
[03:52] <nixternal> sorry about that :(
[03:52] <nixternal> as soon as I finish these 2 projects I am working on, which should be the next day or so, I shouldn't be as swamped anymore
[03:53] <nixternal> my c++ project has been a killer learning vectors correctly
[03:53] <Jucato> that would coincide w/ the release date..nothing to be swamped w/ :)
[03:53] <Jucato> ooooh! vector< int > foo; ?
[03:53] <Riddell> nixternal: just in time to write up our release page :)
[03:53] <nixternal> I wish it was that easy...but yes something similar
[03:53] <nixternal> you know it :)
[03:54] <nixternal> lucky me, I can work on that tomorrow afternoon and in class tomorrow night
[03:54] <nixternal> although, I am guessing it will only need a couple of hours, so maybe just tomorrow afternoon
[03:55] <nixternal> alrighty, time to go learn absolutely nothing..back in a bit :)
[03:55] <Jucato> byers
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[03:59] <Riddell> Jucato: can you go to http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/TechnicalUsers and click report bug?
[04:00] <Jucato> it goes to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[04:00] <stdin> ahh, but no lock symbol or highlighted address bar
[04:00] <Jucato> ah yes
[04:01] <Jucato> View -> Security also says not secured with SSL
[04:01] <Jucato> so if you click a link to an https page, it doesn't use SSL?
[04:02] <Jucato> only if you either enter the URL manually or open it from an app like Konvi
[04:02] <stdin> hitting refresh shows the right info tho
[04:03] <stdin> Jucato: in the report he says that the connection is encrypted, but konqueror just dosen't show that it is
[04:23] <freeflying> Riddell: arounds?
[04:38] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: can I upload commercial application to archive? they have grant permision to us
[04:48] <freeflying> Riddell: I'll mail you more details later
[04:48] <Hobbsee> not to gutsy...
[04:48] <Riddell> freeflying: if it's free to copy on all ubuntu mirrors it can go in multiverse
[04:48] <Riddell> but too late for gutsy indeed
[04:48] <freeflying> Riddell: I see
[04:49] <freeflying> Riddell: www.evermoresw.com  a office suite
[04:49] <freeflying> beds time, see you all
[05:14] <amachu> hi
[05:15] <Riddell> hi amachu
[05:15] <amachu> Riddell:  am trying to learn packaging ubuntu
[05:16] <amachu> any thing to be packaged in Kubuntu
[05:16] <amachu> Riddell: i missed "Hi"
[05:16] <amachu> :-)
[05:17] <Riddell> there's a tag for that
[05:17] <Riddell> needs-packaging I think
[05:17] <Riddell> you can browse for that tag in launchpad
[05:19] <Riddell> anyone running feisty?  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-358/ feisty main
[05:21] <nixternal> amachu: http://tinyurl.com/2mbskn  <- those are the applications in which someone has requested it to be packaged
[05:22] <amachu> ok
[05:23] <Riddell> amachu: but also you can just browse kde-apps.org for interesting stuff
[05:24] <amachu> sure
[05:26] <amachu> thank you
[05:27] <Riddell> amachu: let us know if you need any help
[05:27] <nixternal> has anyone seen the new Office 2007? The teach is using it right now, and whoever did their HID on that for Microsoft, needs to be hung
[05:28] <amachu> sure...
[05:28] <amachu> i will...
[05:28] <nixternal> lets just pray that person who created it, doesn't jump ship and come to Linux :)
[05:28] <amachu> and a problem in ugradation
[05:28] <amachu> i have postgres installed
[05:28] <Riddell> nixternal: I doubt she will.  what's wrong with it?
[05:28] <amachu> which is not allowing me to upgrade through adept
[05:29] <nixternal> it makes absolutely no sense...they totally changed what people have been used to for the past 10 or so years into this mess
[05:29] <nixternal> it is loaded with a bunch of tiny icons that make absolutely no sense
[05:29] <nixternal> I do not like OO.o, but I can honestly say from a usability standpoint, OO.o > Office 2007
[05:30] <Riddell> I think it's impressive of them to try something innovative for once
[05:31] <nixternal> Riddell: true on that, but the only thing they innovated was the look from what I can "see"
[05:31] <nixternal> there has to be an option to change it back to the "classic theme" or something
[05:32] <Riddell> there is
[05:33] <nixternal> for office?
[05:33] <nixternal> it looks good though...I have to give them that
[06:06] <smarter> Hi
[06:08] <smarter> I'd like to know if this dpkg/adept bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/102753 with a fix and this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/152396 (without a fix but more serious) could be fixed for Gutsy
[06:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102753 in adept "adept does not display utf-8 text correctly" [Low,Confirmed]
[06:10] <Riddell> bug 152396
[06:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152396 in dpkg "[gutsy]  adept installation progress report display incorrect message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152396
[06:10] <Riddell> smarter: I'm afraid not, gutsy is closed, 152396 is subject to string freeze which happened ages ago
[06:11] <smarter> Riddell: and for 102753 ?
[06:12] <Riddell> smarter: could be a stable release update if someone wants it
[06:13] <smarter> Riddell: Okay, so I'll have to wait
[06:39] <uga> mhb: unless there's a good reason to isolate the processes from each other, right
[06:40] <Riddell> mhb: it does have practical benefits too, e.g. no terminal nonsense
[06:41] <mhb> uga: I'm not against a client/server model in itself, of course, that has upsides and downsides
[06:41] <uga> Riddell: is this about kcm by any chance?
[06:41] <uga> I missed the origin of the conversation
[06:42] <mhb> uga: I was talking about "much ado about packagekit"
[06:43] <uga> oh ok
[06:43] <mhb> uga: that is the new and fresh application that will use D-Bus and client server model.
[06:43] <mhb> and everyone should hop on.
[06:43] <Riddell> similar arguments could also apply to policykit I'm sure
[06:43] <uga> mhb: the advantages of IPC imho are mostly about toolkit-independance and security by isolating gui and need-to-be-stable terminal apps
[06:44] <mhb> libraries are also toolkit-independent
[06:44] <mhb> at least the sane ones
[06:44] <uga> lol, yeah, sane ones ;)
[06:45] <mhb> of course, that's my problem with solid and phonon and the others - they are great, but the code has to be Qt-dependent
[06:46] <mhb> so no chance to use them in my python apps with both GTK/Qt frontends
[06:46] <Riddell> mhb: don't see why not, if it's only a qt-core dependency, we depend on plenty of stuff that uses glib
[06:47] <uga> heh, I was about to say what Riddell just said
[06:47] <nosrednaekim> are they Qt dependant? I mean... the interface probably doesn't have to be qt to use the Qt backends.
[06:48] <mhb> Riddell: I don't think anyone from ubuntu-devel would let me do that
[06:48] <mhb> Riddell: they would flip out if r-m-gtk was Qt-dependent
[06:48] <Lure> any kde4 user around? Jucato?
[06:48] <mhb> restricted-manager
[06:49] <mhb> besides, why would I design a common core for both Qt and Gtk frontends that doesn't use neither of those libraries and then throw Qt in?
[06:49] <Riddell> mhb: there's no logical reason why, QtCore is only a couple of megs
[06:49] <Lure> Riddell: is kde4-devel right place to ask questions why plasma consumes 100% cpu?
[06:50] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[06:50] <nosrednaekim> Lure: a little..
[06:50] <Riddell> mhb: QtCore != Qt any more than glib == gtk
[06:50] <Lure> nosrednaekim: does plasma use lot's (100% together with xorg) cpu at your system?
[06:50] <mhb> by the way, how many apps do we have that are glib dependent?
[06:51] <nosrednaekim> Lure i'm only on beta2, and no.
[06:52] <uga> mhb:
[06:52] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~/Development/KDE4/KDE$ ldd /usr/local/kde4/bin/konsole |grep -i glib
[06:52] <uga>         libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00002b07fd313000)
[06:52] <uga> =)
[06:52] <uga> mhb: LOTS =)
[06:52] <mhb> uga: thanks
[06:53] <Riddell> mhb: qt 4 is glib dependent :)
[06:53] <mhb> hmm, what for? Compatibility reasons?
[06:53] <Riddell> mainloop integration
[06:53] <mhb> ah, yes
[06:53] <Riddell> don't know if anything actually uses it mind
[06:54] <mhb> dbus?
[06:54] <mhb> or some qdbus
[06:54] <mhb> well, who knows
[06:56] <mhb> my argument stands - packagekit is like a fork with which they want to eat the soup and the main course ... yet spoon lies on the table
[06:56] <mhb> so you're right, the fork is not a bad solution for the main course
[06:57] <mhb> but it is not designed for eating soup (unifying package managers)
[06:59] <mhb> well, we'll see.
[07:00] <mhb> I hope there won't be a Ubuntu push trying to make us switch to packagekit...
[07:00] <Riddell> I'm more curious about why if it's using dbus there's a libpackagekit, and why that gets used for the qt bindings rather than a libqtpackagekit
[07:00] <mhb> if there would be a 1.0.0 release and it would be proven(!) that it works as fast as adept/apt-get on slow machines, I'm for it.
[07:00] <Riddell> mhb: why not?
[07:01] <mhb> Riddell: because I still have the feeling that the design will make it slower than apt/adept ... which I would prefer to avoid.
[07:02] <mhb> Riddell: libpackagekit? I wonder how that would work... thanks for the tip!
[07:02] <uga> something is freezing my box now and then :/
[07:03] <mhb> Riddell: I have sent the request to the sysadmins, but it seems they are very slow.
[07:03] <mhb> nobody responded to my request yet.
[07:03] <Riddell> mhb: they'll be busy this week with release preparations, I think we should assume it won't happen by thursday
[07:03] <mhb> Riddell: I thought that. Well, if it won't take a month, no problem :o)
[07:06] <Riddell> nixternal: I take it you havn't got dot access yet?
[07:15] <mhb> oh, one more thing I noted today - I don't use Vista (or Windows) myself, but they seem to have a fluid and stutter-less transition when sleeping or shutting down ... I think we could do a similar thing
[07:16] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you mean no black screens and flashes of text?
[07:16] <coreymon77> nothing about vista is good
[07:16] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I mean a quick dim to black
[07:16] <coreymon77> why are we trying to copy it
[07:17] <mhb> coreymon77: well I cannot say that, I don't know it at all :o)
[07:17] <nosrednaekim> there ARE some good things about vista.
[07:17] <coreymon77> ***GASP!!!***
[07:17] <mhb> users would get the impression that all goes well, which is a good thing
[07:18] <coreymon77> so, gutsy in 2 days?
[07:18] <mhb> usually, when my screen shuts down, the windows all lose their handle bars and I see a black screen with a kwin-less app on top for a few second
[07:18] <mhb> s
[07:18] <mhb> that's not what it should be like :o)
[07:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah...me too.
[07:19] <coreymon77> mhb: is this for standy/hibernate
[07:19] <mhb> coreymon77: you mean in Vista? Yes, I have seen the computer hibernate like that ... otherwise, I don't know what the shutdown screen looks like
[07:20] <coreymon77> mhb: no, i mean are we talking about going into hibernate mode on kubuntu
[07:20] <mhb> coreymon77: no, I was talking about shutdown, but sleep mode could make use of it too
[07:20] <coreymon77> oh
[07:21] <coreymon77> so it just looks better when it shuts down?
[07:21] <mhb> shutdown -> fade to Kubuntu usplash logo, if some app requires attention, then hide this animation
[07:21] <mhb> hibernate/sleep -> fade to black
[07:21] <coreymon77> so look better
[07:21] <coreymon77> thats all
[07:21] <mhb> yes, just the looks
[07:22] <coreymon77> looks arent everything
[07:22] <manchicke1> Wuddup corey?
[07:22] <coreymon77> vistas the perfect example
[07:22] <manchicke1> coreymon77: Looks aren't everything, but boy do they help.
[07:22] <nosrednaekim> indeed
[07:22] <mhb> coreymon77: of course not :o) KDE is great, that's why I'm using it :o) I am just thinking of ways to make it even better.
[07:22] <nosrednaekim> manchicke1: got your lappy back?
[07:22] <coreymon77> i know
[07:22] <coreymon77> vistas the perfect example of how looks arent everything
[07:24] <manchicke1> nosrednaekim: No. :'(
[07:24] <nosrednaekim> rather bad service, no?
[07:25] <manchicke1> No, it's par for the course for warranty service.
[07:25] <manchicke1> System76 sends warranty repairs back to the manufacturer, just like everybody else.
[07:25] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok.. I thought they fixed it themselves
[07:25] <manchicke1> That's a notoriously slow process.
[07:25] <nosrednaekim> never mind :)
[07:25] <manchicke1> Naw, they don't have the equipment.
[07:26] <manchicke1> Manufacturing laptops is a very expensive thing to do.
[07:26] <nosrednaekim> Indeed.
[07:27] <nosrednaekim> I didn't think they manufactured them, but I thought they would at least have the capabilities to replace a bulb.
[07:27] <nosrednaekim> *backlight
[07:27] <nosrednaekim> but that would probably void THEIR warranty...
[07:27] <manchicke1> It's not the bulb.
[07:27] <manchicke1> It's the inverter switch.
[07:28] <nosrednaekim> oh! lol..yeah... much bigger problem :)
[07:28] <manchicke1> During manufacturing they put the wire for the inverter switch too close to the hinge, and just over a short period of time the hinge wore away that wire.
[07:28] <Riddell> kwwii: did you do the openoffice splash screen?  that goes against all our branding guidelines
[07:28] <manchicke1> So it's a manufacturing defect for sure.
[08:20] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for bringing that to my attention
[08:25] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[08:27] <davmor2> actually anyone does Kubuntu does it come with easy codec installation?
[08:28] <mhb> davmor2: you mean on-demand? Sadly, it doesn't,
[08:28] <nosrednaekim> davmor2: there is a meta-package
[08:28] <mhb> davmor2: I wanted this in Kaffeine but the developers had other priorities (KDE4).
[08:29] <mhb> davmor2: I will try to implement this once there is a Kaffeine port.
[08:29] <mhb> KDE4 port.
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> perfect place for packagekit wouldn't you say ? ;0
[08:29] <Riddell> only amarok for mp3
[08:29] <davmor2> right is there anyway to change the warning that amarok gives so it is more informative?
[08:30] <davmor2> Riddell: no it doesn't
[08:30] <Riddell> mm, it should
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> davmor2: yeah... its just a bash script.
[08:30] <mhb> nosrednaekim: no, the issue is Kaffeine not able to find out what codecs are needed.
[08:30] <davmor2> you just get a warning
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ah ;)
[08:32] <davmor2> on my install today I tried amarok for listening to club.977 which is an mp3 radio station list in shoutcast would play said something along the lines of couldn't play no backend installed
[08:33] <Riddell> maybe it doesn't work for streams
[08:33] <Riddell> got a local mp3 to play in amarok?
[08:33] <davmor2> Riddell: your patch worked for live cd, normal desktop and not for the login screen
[08:34] <Riddell> yes, to be expected, same as gnome
[08:34] <davmor2> just to let you know :)
[08:34] <Riddell> thanks, I'm quite pleased I managed to fix that without having a system to test on :)
[08:34] <Riddell> "fix"
[08:34] <Nightrose> there is a known xine problem - sometimes you have to try to play streams more than once to get it to play
[08:35] <Nightrose> if that is the problem you are running into...
[08:39] <davmor2> right guys screenshot of error is here www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/error.png  I hope anyway let me know if it isn't first time I've used Konqueror for ftp :)
[08:51] <claydoh> davmor2: as Nightrose mentioned, try playing the stream again. I get that error on occaision when trying streams
[08:51] <claydoh> screeshot is fine :)
[08:51] <davmor2> claydoh:  That's is I didn't get the screenshot first time round
[08:51] <claydoh> rather screenshot
[08:51] <davmor2> oh and I have tried the stream before I switched the machine back on so that'll be four times
[08:51] <claydoh> hmmm
[08:51] <davmor2> If I now install xine-plugins or whatever the extra's package is called and xine-ffmpeg it play's first time
[08:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: shutdowndlg.cpp|.h
[08:57] <mhb> _StefanS_: thanks
[09:22] <mhb> _StefanS_: one more question ... is it possible to trigger the dim by a dcop call or such?
[09:23] <mhb> _StefanS_: just the dim, not the Shutdown dialog
[09:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: uhm dcop is not available for the dim
[09:25] <mhb> and using a --parameter perhaps? Or how did you test it?
[09:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: recompiled, installed debs, logout, login again :)
[09:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: I do have a testproject lying around if I remember correctly
[09:31] <mhb> _StefanS_: don't worry
[09:32] <_StefanS_> I can assist you if needed
[09:32] <_StefanS_> i did use quite some time to get it right
[09:32] <_StefanS_> still the patch is ugly though :)
[09:56] <hunger> How is gutsy comming along?
[10:39] <drsatyri> hello gutsy fans
[10:39] <drsatyri> anyone out there listening for anything about wpa, rtl8187 and intermittent hangups?
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> drsatyri: #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support
[10:40] <drsatyri> oh my bad.
[10:40] <drsatyri> thx
[11:10] <davmor3> Riddell: ping
[11:14] <mhb> good night folks
[11:16] <ScottK> good night mhb.
[11:19] <davmor3> Riddell: when you get this.    Everything is fine until the reboot onto first time user.  At which point the Welcome and Choose Langu are the only things you can see :(
[11:30] <Riddell> davmor3: what else is there to see?
[11:30] <Riddell> davmor3: there's something weird with the background drawing I know, but it shouldn't affect functionality
[11:31] <davmor3> Yes but not at 3 inche lettering
[11:31] <Riddell> oh right, that'll need your intel driver beastie to be fixed properly
[11:31] <davmor3> yes
[11:32] <davmor3> in the mean while I'll try kub alt oem :)
[11:33] <davmor3> oh and 64 oem see if the oem bug is still there :)
[11:41] <Riddell> davmor3: hang on
[11:42] <Riddell> looks like we're getting new CD images
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: software-properties-kde says:
[11:43] <Lure> usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[11:43] <Lure>   warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[11:43] <davmor3> no we are just doing first phase testing with these cds and then I think the plan is that the day before we do a general test of all the cd's
[11:43] <Riddell> Lure: always has
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: yes? didn;t adept use it for manage repositories?
[11:44] <Riddell> davmor3: you'll have to explain this phase thing to me, I havn't worked out quite what it is
[11:44] <Riddell> Lure: adept uses software-properties-kde yes
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: I collegue of mine just did feisty->gutsy upgrade and does not have software-properties installed
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: he get old manage repo dialog...
[11:45] <Riddell> Lure: did he have it installed before?
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: yes, as he was suprised with new (old, pre-feisty) dialog
[11:46] <davmor3> Riddell: first phase we check out what bugs are still about ie the kubuntu oem dcop error (i think).  then the day before release we just test the there are no show stoppers and that everything installs :)
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: actually, he does not have kubuntu-desktop installed anymore...
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: will check how he did the upgrade
[11:46] <davmor3> rather than keep downloading and retesting over and over and not actually getting to check whether things are fixed
[11:47] <Riddell> davmor3: dcop error should be gone anyway (in its place is the background drawing problem though)
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: he did upgrade with dist-upgrade, as update-manager --version-upgrade did not exist (wrong option)
[11:47] <davmor3> yes I'll check it out shortly on 64bit :)
[11:48] <Riddell> Lure: not very good at reading instructions your friend :)
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: he claims that prescribed procedure did not work
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" returned invalid option
[11:49] <Riddell> Lure: sounds like he was already on gutsy
[11:49] <Riddell> it's --dist-upgrade-devel in gutsy
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: he was on feisty + kde 3.5.7
[11:49] <Riddell> hmm, output of adept_manager --help would be interesting
[11:50] <Lure> Riddell: too late, as he is already at gutsy now...
[11:50] <Lure> Any feisty user here?
[11:52] <Riddell> I don't think there's any feisty users left
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: ;-)
[11:53] <davmor3> Lure: whats up
[11:54] <Lure> davmor3: can you run adept-manager --help on feitsy and past output somewhere?
[11:55] <davmor3> not right now but I can in about 10 minutes.
[11:55] <davmor3> Lure: is this before or after any updates?
[11:55] <Lure> davmor3: I do not think it has to be fully up-to-date
[11:56] <Lure> davmor3: no hurry
[11:56] <davmor3> np will post once it is done :)
[12:04] <Riddell> davmor3: new alternates up 20071016.2
[12:05] <davmor3> what's new in it?
[12:07] <Riddell> davmor3: fix for bug 152449
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152449 in kdebase "HTTPS not working with Konqueror 3.5.8" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152449
[12:07] <Riddell> so please test https (specificly links to https from http)
[12:08] <Riddell> paypal is a good test
[12:08] <davmor3> oh only a minor bug then :)  Gmail
[12:08] <davmor3> don't have a paypal account so will do gmail
[12:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the fix for 152449 in the new kdelibs (3.5.8-0ubuntu2)?  I can't replicate the bug with that installed.
[12:37] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, see above
[12:37] <Riddell> new desktop CDs up
[12:41] <emonkey> yes, looks like the bug is fixed here


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[07:06] <elfy> infinity: so ... looks like whatever happened to our trusty has happened with vivid as well :(
[07:08] <darkxst> elfy, but vivid uses tasks to build the images
[07:09] <elfy> darkxst: I'm afraid I don't understand that - all I know is *we* don't want ibus and are certainly not wanting unity-greeter ;)
[07:12] <darkxst> elfy then something else must be pulling them in
[07:13] <darkxst> as opposed to be being cause by building images from metapackages
[07:14] <elfy> could be - all I know is I'm critically failing my images :)
[07:17] <darkxst> elfy, you use lightdm with a custom greeter?
[07:21] <darkxst> elfy this line in lightdm/debian/control seems wrong
[07:21] <darkxst> "unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter"
[07:21] <darkxst> I suppose the middle one should be lightdm-gtk-greeter (that is what you use?)
[07:22] <ochosi> indeed
[07:22] <ochosi> if that pulls in unity-greeter then i guess that explains a lot of the indicators and unity stuff that's being pulled in
[07:23] <darkxst> ochosi, yes, I think unity-greeter would pull in the indicators, and then most likely ibus as well
[07:45] <seb128> that's not a typo
[07:45] <seb128> the lightdm-kde-greeter one seems buggy though
[07:46] <darkxst> seb128, there is no lightdm-greeter in vivid though?
[07:46] <seb128> the "lightdm-greeter" is a provide from the individual greeters, maybe some are missing that though? then the usual way is to use "the-preferred-alternative | virtual"
[07:46] <seb128> unity-greeter provides it, I didn't look at the others
[07:48] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/lightdm-gtk-greeter/vivid/view/head:/debian/control#L18
[07:48] <seb128> same^
[07:49] <darkxst> fair enought, then its something else
[07:50] <DalekSec> There's been seed changes recently, fix should have been pushed.
[14:29] <mdeslaur> infinity: xorg in trusty-proposed never got promoted, and it's required for the backport stack to work
[15:48] <ochosi> Laney: we talked a longer while ago about the borked 14.04.2 xubuntu image (pulling in a lot of unity, parts of gnome too). while the issue in 14.04 was never solved (and 14.04.2 has been delayed), the same issue has resurfaced in 15.04 daily
[15:49] <ochosi> from our team nobody was able to uncover the source of the issue (DalekSec tried and Noskcaj looked as well)
[15:53] <Laney> ochosi: I don't know what the issue in 14.04 is, infinity seemed to be on it so I stopped looking
[16:02] <ochosi> oh ok
[17:39] <infinity> ochosi: Whatever's broken in vivid has nothing to do with that I'm fixing in trusty.
[17:39] <wxl> oh noes :(
[17:41] <elfy> infinity: thanks - the search will go on
[22:34] <elfy> hi - id there's someone here from -release with admin rights on the mailing list - there's one obviously from me - copy of one I sent from the right address - can you delete that one please - thanks and sorry :)
[22:42] <cjwatson> elfy: done
[22:43] <elfy> cjwatson: thanks, it should have been pretty obvious which if there was more than one :)
[22:44] <cjwatson> The other had already made it to the list proper.
[22:44] <elfy> aah cool - thanks :)
[22:44] <elfy> that'll keep Laney of my back for a bit :)
[23:28] <wxl> infinity: since tomorrow's the tuesday before trusty's release,a re we ready to start testing yet or is the metapackages thing still all messed up?


[10:54] <qwebirc57865> Folks, since upgrading to 11.10 I've getting double keypresses from my mce remote.  It appears both lirc and X11 are processing the keypresses
[10:55] <qwebirc57865> Any idea how to stop X11 from processing them?
[10:57] <qwebirc57865> In 11.04 echo lirc > /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols solved it, but this doesnt seem to work any more
[11:07] <TandyUK> lucky you lol, i upgraded to 11.10, and havent had a display since
[11:08] <TandyUK> the backend is fine, just forget about watchign abything lol
[11:12] <qwebirc57865> I'm in the same boat, recodings have been banking up for 4 days :)
[12:35] <xavieronassis> I switched from cable to satellite (Directv) and would love to use Myth again - is there a capture/TV card that will receive everything yet?
[13:05] <tgm4883> xavieronassis, HDPVR
[13:40] <rhpot1991> xavieronassis: this ^
[13:41] <rhpot1991> qwebirc57865: that is caused by lirc and the kernel both seeing your remote
[13:41] <rhpot1991> disable one
[15:39] <baggar11> I'm seeing a lot of people having issues with the upgrade process to 11.10. Is there any issues with a clean install of 11.10?
[16:38] <superm1> baggar11, there are issues with lightdm upgrading wrong
[16:38] <superm1> that's the biggest one
[16:38] <superm1> we're trying to work that out and push a fix to the archive
[16:38] <superm1> i don't know of any others that will stand out, and that won't affect a clean install
[18:12] <baggar11> sure, so that's mainly just during an upgrade process and not a clean install?
[19:03] <superm1> baggar11, correct
[19:03] <superm1> if you upgrade and hit it, there's a forum post explaining how to fix it at least
[19:14] <baggar11> superm1: thanks
[23:35] <TandyUK> [17:38:00] <superm1> baggar11, there are issues with lightdm upgrading wrong
[23:35] <TandyUK> [20:03:54] <superm1> if you upgrade and hit it, there's a forum post explaining how to fix it at least
[23:36] <TandyUK> mind sharing the link?


[06:15] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:17] <utkarsh2102> hello!
[08:21] <cpaelzer> bryceh: I liked your suggestion to add the mysql handling to UMH, but it grew a bit out of control :-) https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook/pull/42
[08:34] <mirespace_> good morning
[12:00] <athos> good morning!
[12:03] <ahasenack> morning
[12:13] <mirespace_> Hi athos ahasenack
[12:13] <mirespace_> I have ready for review thr MP for rsync bug 1528921 on focal : https://code.launchpad.net/~mirespace/ubuntu/+source/rsync/+git/rsync/+merge/415244
[12:18] <ahasenack> hi mirespace_
[12:19] <ahasenack> I'll take a look
[12:21] <mirespace_> thanks ahasenack
[12:21] <mirespace_> I'm preparing also the corresponding one for Bionic
[12:23] <ahasenack> is it in jammy already?
[12:26] <mirespace_> Yes, because is present since rsync 3.2.0. I'm preparing also the corresponding one for Bionic
[12:26] <ahasenack> k
[13:52] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: was it libxcvt that you've seen on +1 duty?
[13:52] <ahasenack> no, about what?
[13:52] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: the pkg that changed to be built from another source and needing a removal?
[13:53] <ahasenack> no, libcxl
[13:53] <cpaelzer> arr, 90% match in characters :-)
[13:53] <cpaelzer> thanks
[13:53] <ahasenack> mwhudson: remember my broken server vm from yesterday?
[13:53] <ahasenack> I broke it again, but this time I know what happened
[13:54] <ahasenack> apt autoremove was tooe ager
[13:54] <ahasenack> too* eager
[13:54] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wGTfsbpCpY/
[13:54] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: did you remove ubuntu-server meta pkg ?
[13:54] <ahasenack> not that I recall
[13:55] <cpaelzer> "ubuntu-standard" actually
[13:55] <ahasenack> even netplan is gone
[13:55] <cpaelzer> because that is what usually holds irqbalance in
[13:55] <ahasenack> I did an apt-get build-dep for nfs-utils
[13:55] <ahasenack> followed by the normal muscle memory autoremove
[13:55] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: how did you get that image, cloud image spawned in VM?
[13:55] <ahasenack> yeah
[13:55] <ahasenack> let me try again
[13:56] <cpaelzer> I create one as well
[13:57] <cpaelzer> oh I have one from earlier today
[13:57] <ahasenack> $ cat /etc/cloud/build.info
[13:57] <ahasenack> build_name: server
[13:57] <ahasenack> serial: 20220114
[13:57] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: just update + upgrade + autoremove ?
[13:57] <ahasenack> but I update
[13:57] <ahasenack> no, there was build-dep for nfs-utils
[13:57] <ahasenack> and no proposed
[13:57] <cpaelzer> this is current "serial: 20220204"
[13:57] <ahasenack> and I removed lxd snap
[13:58] <ahasenack> and installed git-ubuntu snap
[13:59] <ahasenack> ok, so netplan was removed when I did "sudo apt-get build-dep ." and $pwd was the nfs-utils src package
[14:00] <ahasenack> I have that in the apt history log
[14:00] <ahasenack> the follow-up autoremove just kicked a dead horse
[14:00] <cpaelzer> sudo apt build-dep nfs-utils for the old nfs-utils does not show that
[14:01] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: do you have a repo that I can clone?
[14:01] <ahasenack> yeah, my user in lp (git ubuntu remote add ahasenack)
[14:01] <ahasenack> and branch is jammy-<tab><tab>
[14:01] <cpaelzer> ok
[14:01] <cpaelzer> verifying if I see the same ...
[14:02] <ahasenack> it even removed ubuntu-minimal
[14:02] <ahasenack> hilarious
[14:04] <ahasenack> ah, one more thing I do at the beginning, first thing in a vm
[14:04] <ahasenack> I remove needrestart and unattended-upgrades
[14:05] <cpaelzer> that will remove meta packages
[14:05] <ahasenack> maybe that removes some ubuntu-* package
[14:05] <cpaelzer> it will
[14:05] <cpaelzer> I just completed cloning and build-dep . - not showing the problem
[14:06] <cpaelzer> hmm
[14:06] <ahasenack> hm
[14:06] <ahasenack> no
[14:06] <ahasenack> $ sudo apt purge needrestart unattended-upgrades --autoremove
[14:06] <ahasenack> Reading package lists... Done
[14:06] <ahasenack> Building dependency tree... Done
[14:06] <ahasenack> Reading state information... Done
[14:06] <ahasenack> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:06] <cpaelzer> I just removed them and it does not drag a meta package down with it
[14:06] <ahasenack>   libcbor0.6* libfwupdplugin4* libintl-perl* libintl-xs-perl* libmodule-find-perl*
[14:06] <ahasenack>   libmodule-scandeps-perl* libntfs-3g883* libproc-processtable-perl* libpython3.9*
[14:06] <ahasenack>   libsort-naturally-perl* libterm-readkey-perl* needrestart* unattended-upgrades*
[14:06] <ahasenack> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 13 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:06] <ahasenack> oops, sorry for the paste
[14:06] <cpaelzer> np I see the same
[14:06] <ahasenack> ok, I upgraded, did that removal
[14:06] <ahasenack> cloning nfs-utils
[14:06] <ahasenack> and build-dep, let's see
[14:07] <cpaelzer> doing the same right now
[14:07] <ahasenack> maybe I didn't dist-upgrade before
[14:07] <ahasenack> in which case, meh, interim devel release
[14:07] <cpaelzer> it isn't removing anything important for me
[14:07] <ahasenack> I still have the old vm around, but it's a pain to get something out of it, no network, no udev
[14:07] <ahasenack> yeah, build-dep is fine
[14:08] <cpaelzer> I did from your list snap -lxd + git-ubuntu, apt -needrestart unattended-upgrade + build-dep nfs-utils => autoremove
[14:08] <cpaelzer> all happy
[14:08] <ahasenack> oh, I might have had my ppa enabled
[14:08] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/nfs-utils-merge
[14:08] <ahasenack> let's see
[14:08] <cpaelzer> added it, no change
[14:11] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: is there much left to get FRR into the state that we can pass it to security for review?
[14:11] <ahasenack> I was surprised by the request that I do the diff and decide if security needs to be involved or not
[14:12] <cpaelzer> ah I see there are a few questions from didrocks still to answer
[14:12] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: Let us shortcut the security question - we should bring that up with sarnold in today MIr meeting
[14:12] <ahasenack> from the requests, I just need to answer that (security) and give a list of exact packages
[14:12] <ahasenack> lto was fixed
[14:12] <ahasenack> strncmp too
[14:12] <cpaelzer> yes I just saw that, and LTO is done
[14:13] <ahasenack> well, strncmp, I don't think we should add a delta for it
[14:13] <ahasenack> it's fixed upstream
[14:13] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: can you be around in ubuntu-meeting ~20 min before standup time?
[14:13] <ahasenack> and strncpy I don't think needs fixing, it's just noise
[14:13] <cpaelzer> ack to no delta for strn*
[14:13] <cpaelzer> I've seen that
[14:13] <cpaelzer> there was also the question how to unseed qagga
[14:13] <cpaelzer> did you check where it was seeded?
[14:13] <ahasenack> yes,
[14:13] <ahasenack>  ./ubuntu/server-ship: * quagga                 # RobertCollins
[14:14] <cpaelzer> ah so didier just overlooked it
[14:14] <ahasenack> under "ipv6 tools"
[14:14] <cpaelzer> so yeah then let us try to quick resolve the security question in the MIR meeting
[14:15] <cpaelzer> I updated the case for the seed info
[14:15] <ahasenack> k
[14:15] <cpaelzer> I'll ping you from the MIR meeting then ...
[14:17] <ahasenack> yes
[14:20] <ahasenack> hah, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Cspc86rqKS/
[14:20] <ahasenack> so looks like there was no dist-upgrade
[14:20] <ahasenack> the destructive removal is in line 18
[14:20] <ahasenack> (lines are truncated, btw)
[14:55] <mirespace_> hi again, same rsync bug 1528921, but fixed for Bionic MP also ready here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mirespace/ubuntu/+source/rsync/+git/rsync/+merge/415253
[15:30] <ahasenack> I'll grab it, miriam
[15:59] <bryceh> cpaelzer, hah, well the page did need expanding on so this looks good
[16:00] <cpaelzer> hgehe
[16:21] <cpaelzer> sergiodj: https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+git/qemu/+merge/414649 has for recent changes (two of them changelog)
[16:21] <cpaelzer> sergiodj: one is a backport from upstream and one is the small script I meant
[16:21] <cpaelzer> sergiodj: having a review on just that new content before tomorrow would be great
[16:21] <cpaelzer> tests are running, and if good I'll also submit that script change to debian
[16:23] <sergiodj> cpaelzer: thanks
[16:26] <sergiodj> cpaelzer: I will look into it later today
[20:44] <mwhudson> ahasenack: there was a time when ubuntu-server-minimal depended on unattended-upgrades
[20:45] <ahasenack> so, that wasn't it
[20:45] <ahasenack> in fact, I stopped in the middle of a reproducer
[20:45] <ahasenack> what I got is this happened in my particular image version, when I performed those steps, without having run dist-upgrade before
[20:45] <ahasenack> so an interim jammy snapshot
[20:58] <ahasenack> yeah, with the current jammy image, it doesn't happen anymore
[20:58] <ahasenack> so all good


[00:01] <ali1234> wolfspirit: no matter what you do, you'll still need to use lirc
[00:01] <noii> Seeker`: yeah, rocking! the switch to master fixed the volume issue
[00:01] <noii> too
[00:01] <Seeker`> noii: :D
[00:01] <noii> Seeker`: thanks muchly for the help. i'm off to bed.
[00:02] <Seeker`> noii: not a problem - only reason I know this stuff is that I spent a few hours on it on saturday with my brothers computer
[00:42] <wolfspirit> hey ali1234... I got it working with cakemote!  now I just have to understand how to configure the buttons a certain way
[02:01] <frozenskunk> Can someone please help me figure out how to get my dish network codes to transmit using a commandIR mini? I can transmit my Hauppage codes just fine, and receive the dish codes, but I can't transmit the dish codes. Thanks!
[02:08] <anthrax> having problems with mysql can somebody help me?
[02:16] <killerbeesateme> Hello, can anyone lend a hand with a PVR150 thats modules load correctly, has nodes, but shows a "failed to open" in mythsetup?
[02:17] <anthrax> hmm
[02:17] <anthrax> having major problems to get this program started
[02:18] <anthrax> cannot log in to mysql
[02:18] <frozenskunk> your msysql password is automatically set, have you looked it up and useing the right one?
[02:19] <anthrax> i look for this..just a moment
[02:20] <anthrax> is this in mysql.txt
[02:21] <frozenskunk> I'm not sure, it's been a long time since I did anything with that. It seems like it might be in you frontend setup?
[02:21] <killerbeesateme> I do see it in mysql.txt.  I haven't changed the random one that was generated during install
[02:21] <anthrax> it is the same typed in the box
[02:21] <frozenskunk> ok, just so long as you are using that random one, when I had problems, I was using the one that I thought it was set to, not the automatic random one...
[02:22] <killerbeesateme> when trying to add the tuner in mythtv setup it shows as "Failed to Open".  i have a /dev/video0 entry and ivtv is loaded
[02:22] <killerbeesateme> yea, this was working on a prior setup, I just changed hardware, and on the reinstall it didn't function.  Same motherboard though.
[02:23] <killerbeesateme> I checked dmesg, and the cards being initialized properly, it just doesn't want to show up in mythsetup, even if i type /dev/video0
[02:23] <anthrax> mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>identified by "mythtv";
[02:23] <anthrax> setting privileges ^
[02:23] <anthrax> nothing happend
[02:25] <anthrax> if i enter some settings there will popup the window....cannot find (ping) database host on the network
[02:27] <Ward1983> how can i log in as the mythtv user? i need to rn zsnes once with my mythtv user to get my gamepad buttons calibrated
[02:31] <Ward1983> i copied the configs which didnt work
[02:31] <Ward1983> i synlinked them
[02:31] <Ward1983> didnt work aswell
[02:33] <Ward1983> damn thats not possible
[02:33] <Ward1983> ffs
[02:33] <Ward1983> i would LOVED to have a flag to set the configdir now...
[02:34] <killerbeesateme> if you pop into a root shell by doing "sudo -s" and then "su mythtv"  that should do it
[02:34] <killerbeesateme> Ward1983
[02:34] <Ward1983> killerbeesateme, ill try thanx
[02:35] <Ward1983> killerbeesateme,
[02:35] <Ward1983> # su mythtv
[02:35] <Ward1983>
[02:36] <Ward1983> $
[02:36] <Ward1983> lol thats what i get then
[02:36] <Ward1983> only a $
[02:36] <killerbeesateme> can you cd into the directory you need?
[02:36] <killerbeesateme> or run whatever you need to run?
[02:37] <Ward1983> yes it seems to run fine
[02:37] <Ward1983> well
[02:37] <Ward1983> so far
[02:38] <Ward1983> hard to type in, some keys do freaky stuff
[02:38] <Ward1983> liek tab lol
[02:38] <Ward1983> no tab completing now
[02:38] <killerbeesateme> does mythtv have a home dir?
[02:40] <killerbeesateme> that may be why some of that stuff doesn't work quite right.  you are in a mythtv shell though so you are operating under the same permissions and config files
[02:40] <Ward1983> ah ffs lol
[02:40] <Ward1983> stupid !@#!#!#!@
[02:41] <killerbeesateme> ffs?
[02:41] <Ward1983> it cannot open any gui software....
[02:41] <Ward1983> ffs / for fucking sakes
[02:41] <killerbeesateme> are you on the machine, or remoting into it/
[02:41] <Ward1983> i might be able to copy the folder now though
[02:41] <Ward1983> killerbeesateme, remoting but trough vnc so its kindof the same
[02:42] <Ward1983> ill just try to copy my other condigs
[02:42] <Ward1983> from the other user
[02:42] <killerbeesateme> you could always do that with root and chown it to mythtv too
[02:42] <Ward1983> yes mythtv has a home dir
[02:42] <Ward1983> /home/mythtv/
[02:42] <Ward1983> i dunno anything about commandline + rights
[02:43] <killerbeesateme> if you want to change the owner to a file to another user its "chown user file"  or if its a directory and you want everything in it to change "chown -R user file"
[02:45] <Ward1983> cool starting zsnes allready made the dir, but because it couldnt start i couldnt calibrate yet
[02:45] <Ward1983> aha
[02:45] <Ward1983> thats actually change ownership????
[02:46] <killerbeesateme> yea
[02:46] <Ward1983> if yes then THANX
[02:46] <Ward1983> lol
[02:46] <Ward1983> ive been wondering how to do that for a while
[02:46] <Ward1983> i do all the other filerights with a file-explorer
[02:47] <killerbeesateme> ahh.  i know in koqueror you can change users and groups in the gui
[02:48] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: You can use chmod for changing permissions from the command line
[02:48] <Ward1983> i knew chmod allready
[02:48] <Ward1983> but i dunno how to use it
[02:48] <Ward1983> i could look it up though
[02:48] <Ward1983> i vaguely remember something about numbers
[02:49] <Ward1983> but not how they work
[02:49] <frozenskunk> chomd --help, basically + or - either r w or x
[02:49] <Ward1983> brb lets see if it worked
[02:49] <frozenskunk> numbers can do it, but you have to think about them, r w and x are easy
[02:49] <Ward1983> numbers are weird
[02:49] <Ward1983> at least those numbers
[02:50] <frozenskunk> yeah, there is a scheme to them that I can never remember
[02:54] <frozenskunk> Can someone please help me figure out how to get my dish network codes to transmit using a commandIR mini? I can transmit my Hauppauge codes just fine, and receive the dish codes, but I can't transmit the dish codes. Thanks!
[02:56] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, you need to be using lirc 0.8.4a for the mini to work properly
[02:56] <foxbuntu> and the commandir userspace driver not the kernel module
[02:56] <frozenskunk> I have upgraded to the superm version
[02:56] <foxbuntu> 0.8.3pre1 or 0.8.4a?
[02:57] <frozenskunk> 3 pre1 I think
[02:57] <foxbuntu> ok, cuz superm1 just published the deb for 0.8.4a version on his PPA tonight
[02:58] <frozenskunk> ok, I'm not that recent, I did mine last week one day. How do I upgrade to the newest?
[02:59] <foxbuntu> just go pull the latest from his ppa here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/+archive, you need to remove lirc first then install this version and select the CommandIR (Userspace) in the setup
[02:59] <frozenskunk> just double checked, and I do have the 3-pre1 version
[02:59] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get remove --purge lirc
[03:00] <foxbuntu> which will alert you that it will remove mythbuntu-control-centre, mythbuntu-desktop and some others, just take note of them and reinstall them after you install lirc again
[03:00] <frozenskunk> Ok, let me try that real quick
[03:00] <frozenskunk> (unrelated) is there an easy way to copy/paste into a remote desktop window?
[03:01] <foxbuntu> remote desktop as in rdp to windows?
[03:01] <frozenskunk> rdp to my myth box
[03:01] <foxbuntu> so VNC
[03:01] <frozenskunk> yes
[03:01] <foxbuntu> no, usually VNC does not map clipboards
[03:02] <frozenskunk> that's what I thought, but I always secretly hope I just haven't figured it out yet... ;-)
[03:06] <Ward1983> killerbeesateme, frozenskunk still not working
[03:06] <Ward1983> im getting extremely confused here
[03:09] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: while removing lirc, I got a warning that /etc/lirc wasn't empty so it wasn't removed. Do I want to delete that manually before installing the new version?
[03:10] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: what happened after doing that?
[03:10] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, you can, its prob just backup data however
[03:11] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, same thing as i allways had, no gamepads
[03:11] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, maybe its permissions for the gamepad?
[03:11] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: How do I install the new version, when I did the 3pre-1 I had to do it command line, can I use synaptic for this new version?
[03:11] <foxbuntu> no
[03:11] <foxbuntu> same process as the other
[03:12] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: what kind of gamepad is it? Can you see it in dev list?
[03:12] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, i got 2 gamepads, now once more to be very clear: they work fine when i start zsnes from a terminal
[03:12] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, they DONT work when i start them from mythtv
[03:12] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, I had superm1 build it for intrepid for now, its actually the build for jaunty
[03:12] <frozenskunk> sudo apt-get install lirc-0.8.4a-0unbuntu1~intrepid1 ??
[03:12] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, i did copy .zsnes from my homedir to the mythtv homedir
[03:13] <Ward1983> and changed the ownership to mythtv
[03:13] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, no
[03:13] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, sudo dpkg -i lirc-0.8.4a-0unbuntu1~intrepid1.deb
[03:13] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, you will need to download it first
[03:14] <frozenskunk> so I don't have to add the ppa to my sources.list?
[03:14] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, so it cannot be permissions for /dev/input/js0 and js1 ?
[03:15] <foxbuntu> no, just download the deb matching your architecture (amd64/i386) from the link I gave you
[03:15] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: I was just getting ready to ask if you run zsnes from a terminal as the mythtv user if it would work?
[03:15] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, no thats the only difference, i run it as me own user
[03:15] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu, ok, that's a little different than I did the last time.
[03:15] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, i thought that was clear sorry
[03:16] <frozenskunk> no big deal, I was just thinking down the wrong path (as usual)
[03:16] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, ok, well in any case :)
[03:20] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: I can't seem to figure out where the link to the .deb package is on the web site, what am I missing?
[03:20] <foxbuntu> expend the lirc 0.8.4 package and you will see the links for it
[03:21] <frozenskunk> thanks, not sure how I missed that, must be clicking faster than I
[03:21] <frozenskunk> Im reading
[03:23] <frozenskunk> is lirc-0.8.4a-0unbuntu1~intrepid1.deb the only file I need to get?
[03:26] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, should be
[03:26] <frozenskunk> ok, just installed that, it never gave me an option for userspace driver
[03:26] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, well now i just launched zsnes with a gui and tried calibrating, only i cannot seem to calibrate any axis, not even dpad, buttons work fine though :s
[03:27] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: baby steps! At least you know you can see it now...
[03:28] <Ward1983> true but im completely stuck
[03:28] <Ward1983> this doesnt make any sense at all anymore
[03:31] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: I feel your pain, I've been trying to get these remote controls working again for over 6 months now!!!
[03:31] <Ward1983> :o
[03:31] <Ward1983> 6 months
[03:31] <Ward1983> whats the problem?
[03:32] <Ward1983> i jsut setup lircd a couple of days ago
[03:32] <frozenskunk> something with lirc I think, they worked fine under gutsy, the hardy upgrade killed them, I think I'm finallly getting close (THANKS FOXBUNTU!)
[03:33] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: never got an option for userspace driver on the install, nothing seems to work now with irw, I'm going to redo my lircd.conf file real quick and see where that gets me.
[03:34] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[03:34] <foxbuntu> the first window that comes up tells you to select a remote
[03:35] <foxbuntu> Select CommandIR Multi (userspace)
[03:35] <frozenskunk> yes, I didn't see userspace on the list though, let me try again
[03:38] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, upgrading is something i dont even risk lol
[03:38] <frozenskunk> Ok, found it that time (I must be going half blind tonight). Selected it for the first, Command IR Dish for the second. everything seems ok, but irw doesn't see anything when push buttons on the remotes, do I need to redo my lircd.conf?
[03:38] <Ward1983> i tried it two times, went wrong two times
[03:39] <Ward1983> so i never try it again
[03:39] <Ward1983> if you look at something for too long you indeed become half blind on the subject
[03:39] <Ward1983> at least i am
[03:39] <frozenskunk> Ward1983: I normally dont' either, the girlfriend was being 'helpful'
[03:39] <Ward1983> hahaha
[03:39] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, well at least she owes you lol
[03:40] <Ward1983> its like a jokercard you can use when you want
[03:40] <Ward1983> dunno how that card is called in enlish
[03:40] <frozenskunk> Yet somehow, I'm the one that alwasy pays... ;-)
[03:40] <Ward1983> disable upgrading lol
[03:40] <Ward1983> or better yet, dont give the root password to your gf
[03:41] <frozenskunk> You would think that would be just common sense, but no.... ;-)
[03:41] <Ward1983> lol
[03:41] <Ward1983> if the rest of the family would use my mythtv i would even strip the menu
[03:42] <Ward1983> comment all the buttons to change settings out of the xml
[03:42] <frozenskunk> Usually it's not bad for me, she just wants to watch tv, so doesn't mess around in the menus.
[03:43] <Ward1983> im curious how non IT people would find the usabillity of mythtv
[03:44] <Ward1983> i think its pretty similar to them then any other mediacenter, and therefor is not hard to use
[03:44] <frozenskunk> once it's set up, she (who has no IT experience at all, uses MS OFfice at work) loves it
[03:44] <frozenskunk> when the remotes dont' work for 6 months, she gets pissed
[03:45] <Ward1983> family is on vacation here, curious what my parents think of it
[03:45] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, lol 6 months :o
[03:45] <Ward1983> she could have upgraded again in that time :p
[03:47] <Ward1983> im planning on letting my family use mythweb to schedule recordings if something they liek is on, and they should allways set a lower priority then my shows :p
[03:47] <Ward1983> or jsut give ma a couple of tuners :p
[03:48] <frozenskunk> just need to get more tuner cards!
[03:48] <Ward1983> lol timing
[03:48] <Ward1983> i just said that :D
[03:48] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: do I just add my personal lircd.conf files to the one with the new userspace in it?
[03:48] <Ward1983> i got a DC10+ in it as second card though
[03:48] <Ward1983> but that cannot tune
[03:48] <Ward1983> i can hook it up to the vcr that has a tuner though
[03:49] <Ward1983> maybe i could do something with it with irblast
[03:49] <frozenskunk> I'm still using my hauppage 350 and 500 that I have had for a few years now
[03:49] <Ward1983> but too much work
[03:49] <Ward1983> i have a PVR-150
[03:49] <frozenskunk> irblast is what I'm working on
[03:49] <Ward1983> it came with my second hand machine
[03:49] <frozenskunk> new commandir is supposed to be easier than the one I have.
[03:49] <Ward1983> i dunno commandir
[03:50] <Ward1983> i never played with irblast
[03:50] <Ward1983> dont have a transmitter yet
[03:50] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, yeah, you will need to edit the lircd.conf to add your remotes
[03:50] <frozenskunk> cammandir is the irblaster hardware
[03:50] <Ward1983> didnt know that, i thought it worked with various devices including homemade ones?
[03:50] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: do I need to leave the hauppage remote that it added automatically (and labeled as userspace)
[03:50] <Ward1983> or is that just lirc?
[03:51] <frozenskunk> you can use homemade also, I just wanted a 'cleaner' install
[03:51] <Shadow__X> hello everyone
[03:51] <Shadow__X> anyone know what happened to the mythtv plugin in totem in the 8.10 repos
[03:51] <Ward1983> lol my homemade serial receiver was about as simple as it gets
[03:51] <Ward1983> to isntall
[03:51] <Ward1983> and it looks pretty slick too
[03:51] <Ward1983> i built it into a tiny old mousereceiver for a old wireless IR mouse
[03:51] <frozenskunk> right, but commandir will support 4 transmitters over usb
[03:52] <frozenskunk> so I can control 3 dish network receivers and my TV all using my mythtv (hauppauge) remote
[03:52] <Ward1983> you can just make 4 usb receivers and use a UAB hub
[03:52] <Ward1983> USB hub
[03:52] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, no, but it wont hurt
[03:52] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, the changes it makes that are important are in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[03:53] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: ok, then what else did the user space remote selection do? (just tryign to learn what all is going on in the process)
[03:53] <frozenskunk> ok
[03:53] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, you have 3 dishes? :s
[03:53] <frozenskunk> I like answers before i ask!
[03:53] <Ward1983> frozenskunk, i only have cable lol
[03:53] <frozenskunk> One dish, 3 receivers running off of it
[03:53] <Ward1983> aaaah ok
[03:53] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, yes, but I have cable as well with 11 tuners
[03:53] <Ward1983> 11?
[03:53] <foxbuntu> indeed
[03:54] <frozenskunk> damn, now I got 'receiver envy'.... ;-)
[03:54] <Ward1983> how come you people are so rich lol
[03:54] <Ward1983> and what mainboard did you use for 11 tuners? or do you mean multiple backends?
[03:54] <foxbuntu> I am actually a core dev for the project but I also own a business that I am working on a ready to use mythbuntu machine
[03:54] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: how do I restart lircd without rebooting?
[03:54] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, multiple backends
[03:54] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[03:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> foxbuntu: is just trying to cover his shortcomings :)
[03:55] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991_laptop, and short they are ;)
[03:55] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, nice, i was thinking of installing mythtv boxes at peoples houses myself, but it will probably be too much paperwork
[03:56] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, it can be...
[03:56] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, over here ISPs allow digital tv at shamefull quality and shamefull deatures
[03:56] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: I just included my lircd.conf file for the hauppage remote that was working earlier, and get nothing when running irw
[03:57] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, frozenskunk post your hardware.conf to pastebin
[03:57] <frozenskunk> do I need to add that to hardware.conf also?
[03:57] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, cat /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[03:57] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, yes but i know a guy that has a pc shop, maybe hes interested, im gonna ask him :) they also sell tvs and digital TV, etc etc
[03:58] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, let me tell you one thing, I have been working on this ready to use mythbuntu machine for over a year
[03:58] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: cat what/where?
[03:59] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, i love the fact that you can alter the xml files for the menus, to get options away that people cannot use because they can prevent the system from working well
[03:59] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, just grab the contents of the hardware.conf file and post it to pastebin
[03:59] <foxbuntu> !pastebin | frozenskunk
[03:59] <Zinn> frozenskunk: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[03:59] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, yes but what i mean is more just build a pc with hardwar that works, set it all up and place it
[03:59] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, i think your idea goes much further
[04:00] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, yes to an extent
[04:02] <Ward1983> over here the program guide, etc are the main selling points of set top boxes
[04:02] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m4bf40e0d
[04:02] <Ward1983> so if peopel can choose to do that by buying a machine they can put all their media on, or by paying per month and hiring a crappy machine
[04:02] <Ward1983> i know what i would choose :p
[04:03] <Ward1983> mythtv is better, way more features and much cheaper down the line
[04:03] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, change this line in the hardware.conf: REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge" to REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="", then restart lirc again and see if irw works
[04:04] <frozenskunk> ok
[04:05] <frozenskunk> what about the TRANSMITTER line?
[04:05] <foxbuntu> leave it empty
[04:05] <frozenskunk> it is currently set to dish/general.conf, so I should blank it out also
[04:06] <foxbuntu> well your on Dish right?
[04:06] <frozenskunk> yes
[04:06] <foxbuntu> I thought you meant driver, so then just dont touch it
[04:06] <frozenskunk> sorry, no I meant the TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_CONF line
[04:07] <foxbuntu> leave that one alone
[04:08] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: nope still nothing...
[04:08] <foxbuntu> ok
[04:09] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop
[04:09] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, sudo lircd --driver=commandir -n
[04:09] <foxbuntu> then in a seperate terminal window start irw again
[04:11] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: the lircd --dirver command gives and error, reading of file 'etc/lirc//lircd/lircd.conf' failed
[04:11] <frozenskunk> the extra slash is in the error message, not a typo on my part
[04:11] <foxbuntu> thats ok
[04:11] <foxbuntu> just ignore it
[04:13] <frozenskunk> nothing on irw still, the lircd window gives unable to claim CommandIR - Is it already busy?
[04:14] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: try 'rmmond commandir' or check for other lircds
[04:15] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, you can try it, sudo rmmod lirc_cmdir
[04:15] <foxbuntu> also sudo rmmod commandir
[04:16] <frozenskunk> stop, rmmod those, and start again?
[04:17] <frozenskunk> oh, wait, I just saw my note, I forgot to reinstall all the other packages after updating lirc, could that be a problem?
[04:20] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: ok, the rmmod got the lircd to run cleanly, but still no luck with irw
[04:20] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, no, but you will want to do that
[04:21] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, this all worked prior to an upgrade?
[04:21] <frozenskunk> yes, under gusty everything was fine, hardy broke it, and I haven't been able to get it going since.
[04:22] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, so are you on hardy or intrepid?
[04:22] <frozenskunk> I have been working with commandir support, and had it receiving from hauppauge and dish remotes, transmitting on hauppage, but not on dish
[04:22] <frozenskunk> I am on intrepid now, a fresh install
[04:23] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, hmm
[04:23] <frozenskunk> I am including the same lircd.conf file now that I had receiving (and transmitting) with my hauppauge remote
[04:23] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, that error you are receiving is similar to one I am having with the commandir driver as well, I am stumped atm and have been working with the guy that built these things
[04:24] <frozenskunk> the line 13 error?
[04:24] <foxbuntu> no, the unable to claim CommandIR - Is it already busy?
[04:24] <frozenskunk> doing the rmmod fixe3d those,
[04:25] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:25] <frozenskunk> only thing I get now is the line 13 error, reading of config file failed
[04:25] <foxbuntu> ok...
[04:25] <foxbuntu> well then put your whole config back together and try irw again
[04:26] <frozenskunk> which config? the lircd.config?
[04:26] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:27] <frozenskunk> that is the same now as it was before, it just includes the generic dish conf and another that I keep on my desktop
[04:27] <foxbuntu> then start lirc back up: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[04:27] <frozenskunk> It was working with the older (3pre-1) lirc, I havn't seen it work with the 8.4 yet...
[04:28] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, I ran into issues with that as well with my MCE remote and receiver, I am wondering if there is a bug in 0.8.4a lirc
[04:28] <frozenskunk> just took the extra line out of the lircd.conf file just incase and restarted.
[04:30] <frozenskunk> after looking at this error message, I think there is a typo somewher in the lirc 8.4 where it tries to read in /etc/lirc//lircd.conf (instead of /etc/lirc/lircd.conf)
[04:30] <frozenskunk> so lircd never gets a lircd.conf file loaded when it starts up
[04:31] <foxbuntu> could be
[04:31] <frozenskunk> although now that I look closer, removing the extra line (userspace remote) from my lircd.conf changed the error from line 13 to line 15, line 13 was the one I commented out, and line 15 is the 'include' line that points to my lircd.conf on my desktop
[04:31] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, well rolling back to 8.3 will get your receiver working but not the transmitter
[04:32] <foxbuntu> wait
[04:32] <frozenskunk> well, that's the thing, I had the transmitter transmitting the Hauppage remote codes, just not the dish codes...
[04:32] <foxbuntu> ?
[04:32] <foxbuntu> im confused
[04:33] <frozenskunk> which doesn't make a bit of sense to me because I know the .conf file was valid because irw would decode the dish remotes...
[04:33] <foxbuntu> I must have mis understood your original problem then
[04:34] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, on that same apge as before is the deb for lirc 0.8.3pre1 go download that in the mean time...I'll brb, going to look into something quick
[04:34] <frozenskunk> commandir woud receive codes using irw from both hauppage and dish remotes, commandir would transmit hauppage remote codes using irsend with no problem, it would NOT transmit dish codes at all, no flashing led's no signal received by dish boxes
[04:34] <frozenskunk> ok, roll back to that one then?
[04:35] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, yeah
[04:35] <frozenskunk> ok, I really appreciate all your help!!!
[04:35] <foxbuntu> if it was transmitting lets go back
[04:35] <frozenskunk> sounds good
[05:02] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: good news/bad news.... Something along the way got the transmit to work correctly for the dish codes!!! Thank you so much!!! However, now my wireless network connection doesn't work, and live tv won't play. I have reinstalled the mybuntu packages, rebooted, and still nothing...
[05:03] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, well im not sure how much transmitting helps vs no TV
[05:03] <foxbuntu> ;)
[05:04] <frozenskunk> well, tv hasn't worked for 6 minutes, remotes have been broken for over 6 months, at least its a new problem to work on!!! ;-)
[05:05] <frozenskunk> what is the name of the wireless network connection manager package, so I can check if it was uninstalled?
[05:06] <MythbuntuGuest42> does anyone know if its possible to download videos from you tube and add them as .flv into the video manager?
[05:06] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, nm-applet
[05:06] <Ward1983> does anybody have any idea why zsnes works fine from a terminal, but not from ubuntu? i copied the settings in /zsnes to the homefolder of the mythtv user
[05:07] <Ward1983> so theres now also a /home/mythtv/.zsnes dir, which has the exact same contents as the one from my normal user
[05:07] <Ward1983> also i changed ownership to mythtv
[05:07] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, with all the changes, I would go for a reboot and see if its fine when it comes back up
[05:08] <MythbuntuGuest42> does anyone know why it mythbuntu hangs on reboot , if it wasn't shut down properly (i accently disconnected the power cord) and now its taking almost 20 mins to reboot
[05:12] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: tried that, I checked and network manager applet is set to start on boot, but ip addr shows that the wireless link is down. also, normally it wants my password on boot to connect, and it never asks now...
[05:13] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, click on the nm applet in the tool bar and see if it notices your wifi network
[05:27] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: got it going again, had to remove and reinstall nm-applet and it's fine. How do i get it to stop asking for my keyring passcod everytime on boot?
[05:28] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, it shouldnt...im not sure what is causing that
[05:28] <foxbuntu> my laptop doesnt do that
[05:28] <foxbuntu> that is something I would go google/surf the forums looking for an answer to
[05:28] <frozenskunk> yeah, it always wants the keyring passcode so it can get the wpa2 passcode for the network
[05:29] <frozenskunk> seems like it should be easy to fix, I thought you might know off top of your head.
[05:29] <foxbuntu> nope, sorry
[05:29] <frozenskunk> Running mythfill database to see if that fixes tv watching issue or not.
[05:29] <foxbuntu> the top of my head seems to have shrank over the years
[05:29] <frozenskunk> I seem to have the same affliction...
[05:29] <foxbuntu> what is the TV watching issue
[05:30] <frozenskunk> it won't... ;-) it used to, but now when i choose watch tv, the screen goes black briefly, and back to the frontend menu
[05:31] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, sounds like a Backend issue, check the log: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[05:33] <Ward1983> i found a good description of my problem, but no solution :( http://board.zsnes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3162&highlight=mythtv
[05:33] <frozenskunk> when I run frontend from command line, I get TV Error: LiveTV not succesfully started, let me check the log
[05:33] <Ward1983> what can cause this please?
[05:36] <frozenskunk> foxbuntu: looking at my log file, it seems that my channel changin script might be wrong, would that keep the live tv from loading?
[05:36] <Ward1983> damn i need to READ
[05:36] <Ward1983> thats from 2005
[05:36] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, yes
[05:37] <frozenskunk> ok, the cammand line version would be ./chchange.sh dish1 1 for mythtv it should be './chchange.sh dish1 1 ' correct?
[05:37] <foxbuntu> frozenskunk, sorry, I dont know anything about the dtv channel changer, but, tgm4883_laptop ^
[05:38] <Ward1983> i would liek to compile the latest version of zsnes, can i get it from svn or something?
[05:38] <frozenskunk> that is just my script, it runs irsend for me
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> frozenskunk, well if that is your script, then what does the last 1 do?
[05:46] <frozenskunk> the last 1 sets the commandir to transmit the command on transmitter 1
[05:48] <Ward1983> oh damn wrong channel
[05:48] <Ward1983> sorry
[06:04] <mib_6cmbqv> Does anybody know if the hauppauge hvr 1250 is supported by mythbuntu?
[06:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> mib_6cmbqv: you need to be running trunk, so not currently
[06:04] <mib_6cmbqv> Whats Trunk?
[06:46] <cjgcracker> !help
[06:46] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[11:30] <Bert_2> Hi, I've found an old XFX Nvidia TV tuner card, but I can't find much information about it except that it works with media center 2005, does that mean that it's incompatible with mythbuntu or mythtv ingeneral ?
[12:14] <renjith> hai is any channel named mythtv-users?
[12:17] <renjith>  hai is any channel named mythtv-users?
[12:26] <renjith> Hai All
[12:26] <renjith> Does  myth tv requires X server?
[12:30] <renjith> ChanServ: :)
[13:15] <Ahmuck> tgm4883_laptop: thx for the tip to the zoneminder site.  this is exactly what i was looking for
[16:59] <cjgcracker> Hello. Is there anyone who can give me a hand with an HVR-1800 and an Asus P5Q-EM
[17:09] <cjgcracker> Also wondered if anyone else has had issues installing from 8.10 alternate cd
[17:30] <cjgcracker> Hello. Is there anyone who can give me a hand with an HVR-1800 and/or an Asus P5Q-EM
[17:38] <CosmicTouch> hi @ all
[17:39] <CosmicTouch> Would anyone be please so kind helping me getting lirc -> mythfrontend work under MYTHBUNTU 8.10 ??
[18:04] <CosmicTouch> i get an lirc_init failed in mythfrontend log but Lirc works fine !?!?!?!?!?!?
[18:42] <CosmicTouch> would anybody be so kind to help me by my Mythbuntu 8.10 problems ?
[18:44] <superm1> CosmicTouch, i think youre better off with a post at the forums, most people here are pretty afk atm
[18:45] <CosmicTouch> hello superm1  , thx for your answer ... my english issent that good .. coul you please repeat your answer in other words ?
[18:45] <superm1> !forums | CosmicTouch
[18:45] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about forums
[18:46] <superm1> psh Zinn
[18:46] <superm1> CosmicTouch, try to summarize your question/problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[18:46] <superm1> a lot of the people in this room aren't around at the moment
[18:46] <CosmicTouch> ah away from keyboard ?
[18:46] <CosmicTouch> lol
[18:47] <CosmicTouch> what is atm ?
[18:47] <tgm4883_laptop> at the moment
[18:47] <CosmicTouch> what do you mean with : i think youre better off with a post
[18:48] <superm1> !forums | CosmicTouch
[18:48] <Zinn> CosmicTouch: The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[18:48] <superm1> there we go
[18:48] <CosmicTouch> cool, guys thanks for the info
[18:49] <CosmicTouch> but just for making better my englisch ... what do you mean with : i think youre better off with a post .... please in other words
[18:49] <tgm4883_laptop> CosmicTouch, you will "post" your question in the forums by opening up a thread
[18:50] <CosmicTouch> i now understand the meaning of it but i didnt now : better off
[20:16] <noii> halfway through watching a program my ir remote drops out, and now cat /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't list it anymore - any ideas how to debug/fix this?
[20:23] <CosmicTouch> If other people have the same problem that lirc works but mythfrontend ( MYTHBUNTU 8.10( doesent recognized it, than they have to run $mythtv-lirc-generator and replace the new linked /home/"username"/.lirc/mythtv with their usual lircrc-file
[20:23] <CosmicTouch> Greetz
[20:23] <CosmicTouch> have an nice evening
[20:52] <psicobra> hi all
[20:52] <psicobra> i have just installed the 64 bit version of mythbuntu 8.10 and i have goit everything working
[20:53] <psicobra> but i am having an issues with the images for my videos i have is set in listings view and i get a thumbnail but not a big picture any ideas how i can fix this
[21:08] <psicobra> any one?
[21:20] <psicobra> any one able to help i'm sure it is a simple fix
[21:21] <noii> psicobra: do you mean the images downloaded through 'search' for ripped dvds? i think low res images are downloaded by an older imdb scraping script - i have seen a forum post on updating the script somewhere.
[21:23] <psicobra> yeah so have i
[21:24] <psicobra> it's not the res so much just the fact i only get a small image no large poster
[21:24] <noii> ah, not sure then
[21:24] <psicobra> do you get a large poster?
[21:25] <noii> not -sure. they've always been 'normal' size for me - i may not be understanding the question, i
[21:25] <noii> i'm pretty new to mythtv
[21:45] <noii> psicobra: mine looks very similar to this http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/mythvideo5.png
[21:46] <psicobra> thanks
[22:18] <ajhtwolf> anyone know of a way to change the player for livetv from the default player to something different like xine ?
[22:23] <laga> ajhtwolf: not possible
[22:23] <ajhtwolf> laga, darn, possible to open the video stream in a new window?
[22:27] <laga> um.. not by default. that'll need some hacks
[22:59] <anthrax> need some help during install mythtv