[00:15] <kiko> well
[00:15] <kiko> it's pretty rapid!
[00:15]  * Fujitsu watches a glacier outrun some feature development.
[00:16] <kiko> when we get started on something. the issue is mainly that a lot of the features aren't on the priority list.
[00:16] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[00:16] <Fujitsu> And assuming it doesn't get deferred release after release after release after release...
[00:17] <Fujitsu> Then another 5 releases...
[00:17] <Fujitsu> (that's actually a real-life example, though I an't remember exactly which bug)
[00:17] <Fujitsu> s/an't/can't/. Stupid lag.
[00:17] <mwhudson> we're certainly going to try to stop doing that
[00:18] <Fujitsu> That would be good.
[00:18] <Fujitsu> It was originally targetted for 1.1.6 or 1.1.7, was progressively deferred, then deferred again to 1.2.3 or so.
[00:29] <kiko> Fujitsu, it might be something that just isn't really important and the priority stack is high. the fact that the milestoning is visible may be somewhat unfortunate there..
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #172952 in malone "status sorting puts invalid bugs first" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172952
[00:31] <kiko> dupe
[00:31] <Fujitsu> kiko: Right, it probably isn't that important. But pushing it back and back visibly is a tad annoying.
[00:32] <kiko> Fujitsu, which is why I'm saying that the milestoning being visible can be a bit unfortunate. :)
[00:32] <kiko> if you didn't know it was scheduled, it wouldn't be such an issue
[00:32] <kiko> and engineers get sick, go on vacation, get stuck, etc
[00:32] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[00:33] <kiko> working with fixed deadlines, customers and priorities is a hard problem, no matter how much good will and late nights you put in.
[00:33] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[01:25] <somerville32> Can I close a bug via a bazaar push?
[01:26] <jelmer> sommerville32: one marked with `bzr commit --fixes` you mean ? afaik not yet
[01:35] <somerville32> if I put Closes lp: #XXX in my commit message and upload, will it close a bug?
[01:35] <jelmer> no, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that yet
[01:36] <jelmer> that's the sort of thing --fixes is meant for
[03:54] <LaserJock> somerville32: it works for uploading, not commiting to bzr
[03:54] <somerville32> LaserJock, uploading bzr branches?
[03:54] <somerville32> or just packageS?
[03:54] <somerville32> Because if it doesn't work for bazaar uploads, it should
[03:55] <LaserJock> package
[03:55] <LaserJock> s
[03:55] <LaserJock> well, the bug isn't closed until it's in the archives
[03:56] <LaserJock> having a closes lp: #xxxx set the bug to Fix Commited might be helpful
[03:56] <LaserJock> although there might be problems with that
[03:58] <Fujitsu> How do you tell which is the proper branch? What if I push a branch containing a fix for some random project? My branch isn't at all officila.
[03:58] <Fujitsu> *official
[03:58] <LaserJock> exactly
[03:59] <somerville32> Launchpad isn't just for Ubuntu, folks :P
[04:00] <somerville32> I want this for _my_ project hosted on launchpad
[04:00] <somerville32> Maybe make it so that it can only close bugs under the project it is uploaded to?
[04:00] <Fujitsu> .... how is that relevant?
[04:00] <somerville32> Fujitsu, What exactly do you not understand about my request?
[04:00] <Fujitsu> Should I be able to say a bug is closed because I, somebody completely unrelated to the project, push a branch to LP:?
[04:00] <Fujitsu> s/://
[04:01] <somerville32> Fujitsu, You can do it now :/
[04:01] <somerville32> Fujitsu, You just visit the bug, and close it
[04:02] <somerville32> So... how is _your_ comment relevant?
[04:04] <Fujitsu> If I were pushing a bugfix branch, I would most probably reference a bug number in the changelog. That doesn't mean the bug should be closed.
[04:11] <somerville32> Fujitsu, There would be a syntax ofcourse
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #173006 in soyuz "Build failure emails could link to the source package release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173006
[08:57]  * Hobbsee waves
[08:57]  * somerville32 waves back.
[09:10] <kiko-zzz> somerville32, it's a planned improvements; I'd talk to thumper about it IIWY :)
[09:15] <somerville32> kiko-zzz, aweosme :)
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173009 in soyuz "backport-source fails with a dpkg-genchanges error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173009
[09:34] <bac> Hobbsee: ping
[09:35] <Hobbsee> bac: pong
[09:35]  * Hobbsee waves to sabdfl
[09:35] <sabdfl> moin moin, Hobbsee
[09:35] <Fujitsu> Hey sabdfl.
[09:35] <bac> sabdfl: morning
[09:36] <sabdfl> howdy, guys
[09:36] <Hobbsee> bac: what's up?
[09:36] <bac> Hobbsee: you know much about translations?  i've got a new project i want to set up to use translations but the ui is unclear.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> bac: close to nothing about translations, i'm afraid.  go talk to carlos :)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> bac: checking internal documentation, if it exists, may also help
[09:37] <Fujitsu> bac: What exactly are you unclear on?
[09:37] <bac> Hobbsee: none of that team is around atm
[09:37] <mrevell> hey bac, you're up early/late
[09:38] <bac> hey mrevell
[09:38] <bac> mrevell: what happened to "Define usage" in the action portlet on the project overview page?
[09:38] <Fujitsu> It got consumed by +edit.
[09:39] <mrevell> bac: If you click "Change details" and scroll down, you'll find the options to define the project's usage.
[09:39] <bac> thanks guys, i was looking right past that
[09:39] <Fujitsu> A lot of people miss it, though it's normally the bug tracker bit.
[09:40] <bac> it was right in front of me but i was looking for the old way...  :(
[09:43] <mrevell> bac: Maybe we need to change the text on the translations.lp.net/project page that appears to the owners of projects who haven't enabled translations. I'm not sure if uploading a template automatically sets the "uses translations" flag.
[09:44] <mrevell> jtv: If a project owner uploads a translations template, does that automatically set the "uses Translations" flag for that project?
[09:45] <bac> mrevell: that's my next question...how do you upload the initial POT file?
[09:45]  * bac wandering around in all new parts of LP
[09:45] <mrevell> bac: Are you the project owner?
[09:46] <bac> yep
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Translations... new? Wasn't Rosetta the first part to be publically available?
[09:46] <bac> Fujitsu: new to *me*
[09:46] <mrevell> Have you set up a release series for the project?
[09:46] <bac> mrevell: yes
[09:46] <Fujitsu> bac: Ah.
[09:47] <mrevell> Hmm, there should be an option to upload a template for each release series on your project's translations overview page - i.e. translations.launchpad.net/projectname
[09:47] <bac> mrevell: right.  go to the relase series, then to the translation tab
[09:47] <mrevell> And then "Upload translation" in the Actions menu
[09:49] <bac> mrevell: it's a bit confusing if you're on the project overview page and then go to the translation tab.  it just says "you need to upload" but no direction that it has to be done from a release series.  in retrospect it's "obvious"
[09:50] <mrevell> bac: Aren't your release series listed on that page? The release series names should be links to the upload page for that series
[09:51] <bac> mrevell: not on translations.lp.net/project
[09:51] <bac> no list of release on that page
[09:55] <mrevell> bac: In that case, I'm a little confused. I'll mail the translations guys to get a better understanding of how it fits together.
[09:56] <Hobbsee> oh neat.  stopping builds is still broken.
[09:56] <bac> mrevell: cool.  thanks.
[09:56] <mrevell> bac: On the translations overview page for the launchpad-documentation project, I get an link for each release series.
[09:57] <bac> mrevell: i wonder if that's b/c translations have been uploaded and approved for those releases?
[09:58] <mrevell> bac: Maybe but I don't think they have. The message I get says, "To set up Launchpad Documentation for translation in Launchpad, you need to upload a translation template for one of its release series."
[09:58] <mrevell> and then links to the upload pages for both series that the project has inherited from the launchpad-project group
[09:58] <mrevell> perhaps it's something to do with it being part of a project group
[09:59] <mrevell> Nope, I just tried another project and it also gave me a link to upload translations.
[09:59] <bac> mrevell: perhaps.  or maybe it's me trying to do something new at 4am
[09:59] <mrevell> :)
[09:59] <bac> mrevell: thanks for your help.  i'll look at it later.
[09:59] <mrevell> np, if you have a screenshot or pastebin of the text you get on the overview page, I'd be curious to see it.
[10:00] <mrevell> See you in your (later) morning :)
[10:04] <Hobbsee> oh, hum.  that's right, i need to file some more LP bugs.
[10:10]  * Hobbsee files a bug on the lack of cancelling builds functionality
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173018 in soyuz "Soyuz refuses to let you cancel a build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173018
[10:16] <Hobbsee> mrevell: which section of launchpad deals with teams, and team creation?
[10:16] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Are you filing a bug?
[10:16] <Hobbsee> mrevell: i'm filing many bugs.
[10:16] <Hobbsee> (yes)
[10:17] <mrevell> Hobbsee: :) Then launchpad is the project to file it under
[10:17] <Hobbsee> mrevell: ah right, i thought there might be a subset
[10:17]  * Hobbsee thinks https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/173019 is an excellent bug.
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173019 in launchpad "Information marked "optional" should not be mandatory to fill in." [Undecided,New]
[10:17] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Nah. Anything that doesn't fit neatly into one of the others - e.g. malone - goes into launchpad.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> i wasn't sure if there were some teams i'd missed, that was all
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #173019 in launchpad "Information marked "optional" should not be mandatory to fill in." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173019
[10:28] <Hobbsee> launchpad_bugs++
[10:28] <Hobbsee> right.  3 reported...what else did i have to report?
[10:33] <kiko-zzz> this is why we have the best bugtracker
[10:35] <Fujitsu> kiko-zzz: Because Launchpad is buggy?
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173021 in launchpad "OOPS when putting too big a number in the (optional) renewal period box when editing a team" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173021
[10:36] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: we have the best bugtracker, because so many bugs about said bugtracker are reported.  yup.
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: i don't suppose you a) care, or b) have access to the buildds?
[11:10] <kiko-zzz> Hobbsee, I care, but cprov is the one to talk to
[11:10] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: i guess he's here now too :)
[11:11] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi, how can I help you ?
[11:12] <Hobbsee> cprov: any chance you can kill the build running on sejong?  it's marked as not OK - timed out, and has been going for 8+ hours.
[11:12] <Hobbsee> cprov: the LP version of that is not currently implemented.  (bug already filed)
[11:13] <cprov> Hobbsee: I don't have access to ubuntu buildd, only PPA ones
[11:13] <Hobbsee> cprov: darn.
[11:13] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: i take it you don't eihter, on that basis.
[11:14] <Hobbsee> Ng: might be able to do it, actually
[11:14] <Ng> Hobbsee: I think the current build is working - LP status tells me its only been building for 22 minutes and the machine is doing things (although it did get wedged overnight and I restarted it)
[11:14] <cprov> Hobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/sejong
[11:15] <Hobbsee> oh, ti has started working again.  pitti was right then, that it does eventually reset itself after marking as manual, then as auto again.
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Ng: cprov sorry for the noise
[11:15] <cprov> Hobbsee: np
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Ng: oh, you did fix it harder.  great :)
[11:17] <Ng> I'm by no means a buildd admin, but I will stab a wedged machine in the face and mark it as auto again :)
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Ng: hehe :)
[12:11] <cyberix> Packages from my PPA cannot be authenticated. Why is that?
[12:12] <cyberix> How does the authentication work anyway. I signed the package before dputting it.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> cyberix: you signed the source.  you didn't sign the binaries that launchpad built.
[12:13] <cyberix> How do I sign the binary?
[12:14] <cyberix> Someone else does?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> you don't.  that would require launchpad using your private gpg key to sign the packages as yours.
[12:14] <cyberix> Yes, that is what I asumed.
[12:14] <Hobbsee> which is oh so wrong, on so many levels.
[12:15] <cyberix> I can't know, if the binary is good anyway because I didn't compile it myself.
[12:15] <cyberix> Does Launchpad sign it with wathever key?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> this is true, you need to trust the build system.
[12:15] <cyberix> Just to make sure it has not been altered in transfer
[12:15] <Hobbsee> not yet.  it's on the todo list
[12:15] <cyberix> ok
[12:16] <cyberix> So I should not care by now
[12:16] <Hobbsee> you know that nothing is lost in transfer, anyway
[12:16] <Hobbsee> if there were losses between your machine, and launchpad, the md5sums would not match.
[12:16] <cyberix> ok
[12:16] <cyberix> thanks
[12:16] <Hobbsee> so no, you don't need to care currently
[12:18] <Hobbsee> cyberix: to sign the binaries on launchpad yourself would be the equivalent of putting your eftpos card, and pin somewhere very public, so anyone could take it and use it.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> cyberix: at best, it would be you giving your card, and pin to launchpad, and hope that they'd never do anything bad with it.
[12:19] <cyberix> Yep, doesn't make any sense.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> oh, and you can know if the binary is good
[12:20] <Hobbsee> they build using a chroot system, so you'll get the same output binary as launchpad does, if you build it with a !pbuilder
[12:20] <cyberix> I'm talking about a case where Launchpad would suddenly turn evil.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> as in, inserting other random stuff, on top of your source?
[12:21] <cyberix> for example
[12:23] <Hobbsee> you could build your binary, check where it installs things to, and diff each individual file with your cleanly-built version
[12:23] <Hobbsee> cyberix: do you run ubuntu?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> cyberix: if you did, the first thing you'd do would be to switch distro.  after that, you'd probably stop uploading to ppa.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> if you suspected LP had turned evil.
[12:25] <cyberix> Of course.
[12:25] <cyberix> But I would still not want to have shipped evil stuff that has been signed by me to be good.
[12:25] <Hobbsee> which would not happen, as you're not signing the binaries, only the source.
[12:26] <cyberix> Yes
[12:26] <Hobbsee> i see what you're saying now
[12:26] <Hobbsee> the question about "well, if i didn't build the source to get a binary, why should i sign it?"
[12:27] <cyberix> yep
[12:27] <Hobbsee> a logical question.  a good one :)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> and an equally good answer.  "this is one of the reasons that you don't".
[12:28] <Hobbsee> should get that added to the FAQ.
[12:30] <cyberix> I could of course revoke my key with message "Launchpad has now gone evil and they managed to steal my identity."
[12:30] <cyberix> Or something like that.
[12:30] <cyberix> Saying "It wasn't me", even if it actulla was me.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> cyberix: only if you were silly enough to give them the private key
[12:31] <cyberix> Ot if I signed their evil binary package.
[12:31] <cyberix> Or
[12:31] <Hobbsee> cyberix: assuming you keep your private key private...they can't actually do anything with your public key of interest
[12:31] <Hobbsee> you'd have awful trouble doing that - you don't have a login to their servers.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> debsign -r doesn't work over https :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> in fact, debsign won't even let you sign a binary
[12:32] <cyberix> How ever, key revocation doesn't usually work very well anyway.
[12:32] <cyberix> oh
[12:32] <Hobbsee> what makes you say that?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> oh, yes, i see, it does depend on other people actually refreshing the keys every once in a while
[12:33] <cyberix> Yes
[12:33] <Hobbsee> not sure if you can ever get aroudn that
[13:10] <daub> hi, i want to dput my package to the build service. but the package was rejected with following message:
[13:10] <daub> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[13:10] <daub> Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a series in the 'CURRENT' state.
[13:11] <daub> in the changelog file i use gutsy as distribution.
[13:12] <rick_h_> daub: when you run dput, you have to specify the heading from your dput conf
[13:12] <frenchy> daub: Where are you uploading to.
[13:12] <rick_h_> I think the docs have you create a my-ppa section
[13:12] <rick_h_> so your dput command has to be dput my-ppa .....
[13:12] <rick_h_> I did the exact same thing my first time using the ppa setup
[13:14] <daub> ok, now i changed it to my-ppa
[13:15] <daub> i thought it was something like a placeholder
[13:15] <rick_h_> daub:there's a global dput config that defaults to the universe repository I think.
[13:15] <rick_h_> so it was just saying you can't upload a package to universe right now
[13:17] <Hobbsee> rick_h_: s/universe/ubuntu/
[13:18] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: ah, sorry
[13:18] <Hobbsee> as in, the official ubuntu archives
[13:18] <rick_h_> daub: check out /etc/dput.cf for the rest of the config
[13:18] <rick_h_> you can go in and make your ppa the default one in the future
[13:18] <daub> rick_h_: i followed th instructions on launchpad
[13:19] <daub> have i to do any changes?
[13:20] <rick_h_> daub: no, just specify my-ppa when you run dput
[13:21] <daub> ok, i'm waiting for the accepted/rejected message
[13:21] <rick_h_> daub: good luck!
[13:22] <daub> accepted, yes :)
[13:22] <rick_h_> good stuff, now the build wait begins
[13:22] <Peng> Donning my RTFM-proof asbestos suit, what about Mercurial support and open-sourcing Launchpad?
[13:23]  * Peng gets in a car and drives away at high speeds.
[13:23] <rick_h_> Peng: I'm with you on the Hg front. <3, but I'm not holding my breath
[13:23] <Hobbsee> they plan to open source eventually, no timeframe has been given.
[13:28] <frenchy> I'd like to package w_scan if it hasn't already been done.  Is that possible?
[13:28] <daub> rick_h_: i see now the source package in my ppa. will it build now a .deb?
[13:28] <frenchy> Probably a bit late at this stage for Hardy.
[13:29] <rick_h_> daub: yep, it just takes a little while to get time on a build server and such
[13:29] <Hobbsee> frenchy: not a question for here, but sure, why not?
[13:30] <frenchy> Hobbsee: Ooops ... hhahah ... sorry guys.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> frenchy: why wouldn't you be able to?
[13:30] <daub> rick_h_: ok, i'll check this later. thanks.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> frenchy: it appears they've never heard of makefiles, etc, though.  or something.
[13:31] <ddaa> no plans to support hg in the short term, but you could have a look at the bzr-hg plugin.
[13:32] <Peng> ddaa: Any Canonical-runs-bzr sort of politics involved?
[13:33] <rick_h_> daub: if you select the "view build records" you can see packages waiting to be built, in build, and completed. Play around with it.
[13:33] <ddaa> Peng: I am not sure what you mean.
[13:34] <ddaa> Certainly, Launchpad runs bzr. Bzr was largely started in an effort to provide a good DVCS for Launchpad and Ubuntu.
[13:35] <ddaa> And one of the points of Launchpad is to unify disparate data sources. So we got to pick one DVCS.
[13:35] <Peng> ddaa: I meant "runs" as in "owns".
[13:36] <ddaa> That sounds a bit fallacious to me. It does not own bzr any more that it owns Ubuntu.
[13:36] <Peng> Sponsors, then. Whatever term you want.
[13:37] <Peng> (Canonical *does* own the copyright to the bzr code, though.)
[13:37] <ddaa> Peng: for the same reasons that the FSF own the copyright of GNU tools.
[13:37] <Peng> I know.
[13:37] <Peng> I'm not complaining about that.
[13:41] <ddaa> Peng: to try to answer your initial question: Launchpad got to pick one DVCS, and we think that bzr is superior technically and in user experience.
[13:42] <ddaa> Supporting interoperation with hg and git is something we want to do eventually, but there will only ever be one first class DVCS in Launchpad (as far as I understand the current strategy).
[13:42] <Peng> ddaa: Would it be technically difficult? Or just having to maintain multiple things, or nobody's gotten around to it or what?
[13:42] <ddaa> I cannot give a simple answer to that.
[13:43] <ddaa> Partly, it's lack of resources. Partly is that doing it as well as we would want to is technically difficult.
[13:44] <ddaa> There also the fact that hg/git are not nearly as prevalent as CVS and Subversion.
[13:44] <Peng> Neither is bzr. :P
[13:45] <ddaa> We aim at fixing that :)
[13:45] <Peng> Heh.
[13:46] <Peng> One could claim that supporting hg and git in Launchpad would help make them and Launchpad more prevalent too.
[13:48] <ddaa> My personal position (not speaking for my employer here) is that users can help themselves using (and improving) bzr-git and bzr-hg if they want to work with git or hg data on Launchpad.
[13:49] <ddaa> They are transparent interoperation plugins and do not require a centralized service to provide an authoritative conversion.
[13:50] <ddaa> Of course, it does not help if you want to publish hg or git data.
[13:50] <Peng> And it's also less clean and riskier than using hg or git directly.
[13:51] <ddaa> I understand they are compelling reasons (mostly, network effects) for people to use hg or git.
[13:53] <ddaa> If one of them becomes massively more prevalent than the other, and bzr becomes bound to irrelevance, we'll go with the community.
[13:53] <ddaa> The bzr folks are doing a great job to ensure that does not happen though :)
[13:54] <Peng> It'd be nice if there were fewer choices, but I'd hate for any of the DVCSes to go away. They all have their benefits and new ideas.
[13:54] <doko> ddaa: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-java/uj/icedtea7 , do you know how to get this published, or who to ask?
[13:55] <ddaa> In any case, Launchpad needs to pick one DVCS. We plan to provide tight integration between projects and between launchpad services. Supporting multiple first-class DVCS would be a lot of extra effort and would defeat the point.
[13:55] <kiko> ddaa, could you edit that into a faq?
[13:56] <ddaa> kiko: I just said a lot of things. If you could pick the bits you want in a FAQ, I'm willing to edit them.
[13:57] <ddaa> doko: that should be published any minute.
[13:57] <ddaa> automatically
[13:57] <doko> ddaa: but it doesn't :-(
[13:58]  * ddaa checks
[13:58] <kiko> ddaa, just an answer to "what RCSs does launchpad support (and why)?"
[13:58] <ddaa> I'll write a ML message for review.
[14:02] <ddaa> doko: looks like there's nothing to be published
[14:03] <ddaa> maybe you should file a but to the effect that "hosted branches registered via the web ui but never pushed to always appear as 'not published yet'".
[14:03] <doko> ddaa: so how do I start? Tried to create a local archive as well, then binding it to the lp URL
[14:04] <ddaa> you need to "bzr push"
[14:05] <ddaa> "bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something close to that
[14:05] <ddaa> there should be an example command displayed on the page for you
[14:07] <doko> ddaa: well, ok, it was not clear to me that this is not just an example command, but required to start working with the repo
[14:08] <ddaa> doko: I am not sure we are in sync
[14:08] <ddaa> it's not required for your to start working
[14:08] <ddaa> but you do need to somehow upload data to Launchpad for Launchpad to publish it
[14:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173045 in launchpad-bazaar "Branches are not published" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173045
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173062 in launchpad "implement PM system " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173062
[15:31] <Hobbsee> ....
[15:31] <Peng> Ouch, next mirror of a new branch in 5 hours.
[15:31] <Hobbsee> repeat after me, launchpad is not a forum.
[15:32] <Hobbsee> launchpad is not a place for socializing.
[15:32] <Hobbsee> why oh why would you therefore want a pm system, when people would only get notified by email anyway?
[15:33] <Peng> You integrate lots of things into Launchpad. Integrating e-mail is a valid suggestion.
[15:34] <ember> Hobbsee it was me, and it wasn't intent to 'socialize" was just to quickening and simply things
[15:34] <Hobbsee> but...when youd' have to send the notifications by email anyway?
[15:34] <Hobbsee> how does that help speed things up?
[15:35] <Hobbsee> youd' have to visit LP, see what the PM was about, respond via LP, and wait for them to do the same?
[15:35] <Hobbsee> Peng: yeah, but i would have classed PM's in with forums and such
[15:36] <ember> you are talking normal pm forums systems
[15:36] <ember> doesn't have to be that way
[15:36] <ember> that's why it was just an idea..
[15:37] <Hobbsee> i seem to be missing what else you're proposing
[15:38] <Hobbsee> ah well
[15:39] <Hobbsee> i'm a lowly user - other people decides what gets done and doesn't.  i doubt that'll go very high on the list, but that's their decision, not mine.
[15:39] <ember> well a start is that you just can check your pm in your email without going on lp
[15:39] <ember> well i'm not either
[15:40] <Hobbsee> but that's the same as email, or close to...
[15:40] <Peng> Well, having messages organized by project or even branch isn't so bad.
[15:40] <Peng> The thing is, in many cases there better places to discuss things, in public like in bugs or mailing lists.
[15:41] <ember> Hobbsee i understand you, i was waiting for feedback thou
[15:43] <Peng> I'd say the clunkiness and effort of a PM system isn't worth the organization benefits over email.
[15:45] <ember> or perhaps a link in the email of the user to open the email client
[15:47] <Hobbsee> whcih is another page load, and annoying.
[15:49] <ember> yeah, youre right for those who don't use email clients it may be annoying
[15:51] <Hobbsee> ...we have official incomplete-expiry now?
[15:53] <ember> why?
[15:53] <Hobbsee> there's a tooltip telling me that the bug will expire in 59 days
[15:53] <Hobbsee> i thought it was reverted till further notice.
[15:54] <ember> lol
[15:57] <somerville32> Hobbsee, You must have missed the further notice?
[15:57] <somerville32> :P
[15:57] <Hobbsee> somerville32: i expected them to actually tlel lp-users, ubuntu-devel@, etc, seeing as it affects them an awful lot
[15:58]  * somerville32 nods.
[15:58] <Hobbsee> somerville32: i don't think that effective notification is getting a whole stack of auto-expired bugmail.  again.
[15:59] <somerville32> Hobbsee, btw, everything is good again :]
[15:59] <Hobbsee> somerville32: w.r.t?
[16:00] <somerville32> security
[16:00] <Hobbsee> oh, good.
[16:17] <SteveM> My project appears to have a corrupted download. Re-uploading does not fix the problem (a re-download on another machine gives the bad file). I assume this is caching at work. Does anyone know how long download binaries are cached?
[16:32] <kiko-fud> SteveM, not caching. something else. bac can you help him?
[16:34] <bac> kiko-fud: sure
[16:34] <SteveM> Maybe mirroring and redirection?
[16:34] <bac> hi SteveM
[16:34] <SteveM> Hi!
[16:34] <SteveM> Repeat: My project appears to have a corrupted download. Re-uploading does not fix the problem (a re-download on another machine gives the bad file). I assume this is caching at work. Does anyone know how long download binaries are cached?
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173081 in launchpad "Rename the 'Launchpad Janitor'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173081
[16:55] <kiko-fud> bac?
[16:55] <bac> kiko-fud: ?
[16:55] <kiko-fud> bac, see SteveM's re-post :-P
[16:55] <bac> kiko-fud: handled
[16:55] <SteveM> Figured out.
[16:55] <bac> kiko-fud: everyone is happy.  :)
[16:55] <SteveM> .tar.gz files were being unpacked by the browser.
[16:56] <SteveM> We're testing .tgz instead.
[16:56] <kiko-fud> ah, cool
[16:56] <kiko-fud> I didn't see the resolution, just the re-post
[16:56] <SteveM> We'd jumped to private chat.
[17:00] <Peng> (100% not a bash.) I think it's interesting that Launchpad is very public about releases and development and bugs, while it's closed-source. Sounds a little tricky to do.
[17:32] <SteveM> I'm trying to figure out how to get launchpad downloads of .tar.gz files to behave as expected by most users. Right now, Launchpad downloads send a "Content-Encoding: gzip" header with these files. While nominally correct, this is causing browsers to unpack the files on download.
[17:32] <SteveM> That's causing confusion, since the files are keeping the .tar.gz filename extension.
[17:32] <SteveM> Same problem, by the way, with .tgz files.
[17:34] <intellectronica> SteveM: interesting problem. consider this, though - the only way to get around that on the server is to serve the files using the wrong mime type, which is a bit nasty). on the client, otoh, you can decided how to handle different file types.
[17:34] <intellectronica> SteveM: surely you've experienced this problem with other sites too?
[17:34] <SteveM> intellectronica: The problem, though, isn't the MIME type.
[17:34] <SteveM> It's the Content-Encoding heaer.
[17:34] <SteveM> s/heaer/header/
[17:35] <intellectronica> SteveM: really? what value do you get?
[17:35] <SteveM> "Content-Encoding: gzip"
[17:35] <SteveM> There's actually no MIME type in the response.
[17:35] <intellectronica> SteveM: looks like a bug to me.
[17:36] <SteveM> Many servers will send a MIME type with this type of content that indicates the gzip. Most browsers (except safari) ignore the gzip part of that.
[17:37] <SteveM> But, with a "Content-Encoding" header, all browsers will unpack it.
[17:37] <intellectronica> SteveM: Content-Encoding: gzip tells the browser to unpack the file, which you only want in cases where you actually serve stuff you want the browser to display
[17:37] <intellectronica> SteveM: maybe you can raise a bug?
[17:37] <SteveM> IMHO, right.
[17:37] <SteveM> Will do.
[17:37] <intellectronica> SteveM: excellent, thanks!
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173096 in malone "Misleading "Content-Encoding: gzip" header on downloads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173096
[18:05] <Peng> Oh, good. Even if it said 5 hours to mirror a branch, it was much less.
[18:05] <Peng> 2 or 3, maybe.
[18:05] <Peng> Or less.
[19:33] <nxvl_work> hi
[19:33] <nxvl_work> is there any way to find people on LP by county?
[19:36] <nxvl_work> is there any way to find people on LP by country?
[19:42] <kiko> well
[19:42] <kiko> there are loco teams
[19:42] <kiko> nxvl_work, what do you want to know specifically?
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173121 in malone "branch search fails with full description" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173121
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173139 in launchpad "HWDB needs to make system_fingerprint URL-safe in result sets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173139
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173141 in malone "urls should follow some common naming scheme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173141
[23:21] <Peng> With branch statuses, what's the difference between "Fix Available" and "Best Fix Available"? Once your code is perfect, change it to Best?
[23:23] <kiko-afk> I think best fix might be a bit of an overkill
[23:26] <Peng> Well I know that there could be no better fix ever. It's completely impossible. My patch is perfect.
[23:32] <kiko-afk> Peng, now now, let's not get carried away, it's just a branch status.
[23:32] <kiko-afk> Best Fix Available; Best Fix EVAH
[23:32] <Peng> It would spam everybody if I changed it, wouldn't it?
[23:35] <kiko-afk> I'm not 100% sure as I haven't used this feature myself


[04:25] <pseudocube> Hey everybody
[04:26] <rww> hi
[04:26] <pseudocube> That took a little too long to figure out how to connect. :P
[04:27] <pseudocube> Anyway... does anyone know where ubuntu's cursor file is located?
[04:28] <rww> pseudocube: this channel's for operator issues in the Ubuntu namespace, and isn't a support channel. Try #ubuntu.
[04:28] <pseudocube> Oh, sorry. I'll try there. Thank you!
[17:44] <SergioMeneses> hi
[17:44] <Pici> Howdy
[17:44] <SergioMeneses> I need help with the Cloak
[17:45] <SergioMeneses> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks
[17:45] <SergioMeneses> anyone can?
[17:45] <Pici> SergioMeneses: Could you plesae link to your Launchpad Profile?
[17:46] <SergioMeneses> Pici, yes https://launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses
[17:46] <SergioMeneses> and thanks for answering
[17:47] <Pici> SergioMeneses: Give me a moment to find a freenode staffer to turn it on.
[17:47] <SergioMeneses> Pici, don't worry :D
[17:54] <Pici> SergioMeneses: you're all set!
[17:54] <SergioMeneses> Pici, yes... :D
[17:54] <SergioMeneses> thanks so much
[17:55] <Pici> You're welcome
[17:56] <SergioMeneses> right back!!!
[20:18] <erUSUL> So it happened ... ubuntu forked gnome... :(
[20:33] <guntbert> erUSUL: ?
[20:35] <m4v> it didn't, Ubuntu is going to use Unity instead of Gnome Shell, is not a fork.


[00:01] <xubuntu220> a little help? I installed xubuntu 13.04 in Eeepc 1005P. But the screen seemed too dark. I've tried power-manage-plugins, but it doesn't work.
[00:03] <xubuntu220> and the keyborad combination Fn+F6 can't switch to the brightest
[00:05] <GridCube> xubuntu220, yeah, that usually doesnt work
[00:05] <GridCube> try using the xgamma program from a terminal
[00:06] <xubuntu220> may i ask how?
[00:06] <GridCube> open a terminal, press meta-t, and type: xgamma -gamma 1.5
[00:07] <xubuntu220> ok, let me try this, thanks
[00:13] <xubuntu220> well, the desktop did seemed brighter now, but it looks strange still.
[00:13] <GridCube> yes, xgamma aint really the best option
[00:13] <GridCube> but i dont know how to get real brigthness
[00:14] <GridCube> maybe check your video card model using lspci | grep "VGA" and google it for others with your same problem
[00:15] <xubuntu220> My laptop is a netbook, vga is builded inside the Intel CPU N450?
[00:19] <GridCube> xubuntu220, run lspci | grep "VGA" on a terminal and you will have the model name :)
[00:21] <xubuntu220> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Aton processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
[00:22] <xubuntu220> it showed the information above.
[00:22] <GridCube> :)
[00:22] <GridCube> search that on the interwebs and see if anyone found a solution to brightness
[00:23] <xubuntu220> ok :)
[01:39] <xubuntu526> i need help downloading shype for ubuntu please help?
[01:39] <xubuntu526> sorry ment skype
[01:40] <bazhang> !info skype partner | xubuntu526
[01:40] <bazhang> !partner | xubuntu526
[01:41] <xubuntu526> i tryed to do the termial thing and it asked for a password and it wouldnt let me put anything for the password
[01:42] <David-A> xubuntu526: when you type the passw in a terminal it will not show what you type, but it do listens, so go on typing and press enter
[01:42] <xubuntu526> okay thank you i will try again other than that i have no idea what to do.
[01:43] <David-A> xubuntu526: have you searched for skype in the software center?
[01:43] <bazhang> enable the partner repo ^^^ xubuntu526
[01:44] <xubuntu526> yes and i have downloaded it and every time i will try to call it says call failed
[01:45] <xubuntu526> this ubuntu is new to me and i am just tring to figure out everything and it is really makin me mad cuz i cant find anything to work mine is a 32bit
[01:46] <bazhang> downloaded it from where
[01:47] <xubuntu526> the software center and on the firefox as well it downloads but wont let me call noone
[01:47] <bazhang> what do you mean "the firefox as well"
[01:48] <xubuntu526> firefox the web search
[01:48] <bazhang> no idea what you mean
[01:49] <xubuntu526> you have never had firefox?
[01:49] <bazhang> enable the partner repository.   update. install skype.   do NOT install from skype.com
[01:50] <xubuntu526> what is the partner pepository?
[01:50] <bazhang> I have given you a link above
[01:50] <bazhang> read it
[01:51] <xubuntu526> i can read... it takes me to some kind of page that says index of
[01:52] <bazhang>  xubuntu526: Canonical's partner repositories provide a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" »
[01:52] <bazhang> xubuntu526, See Above
[01:54] <xubuntu526> i have tryed to put that in the terminal it does not work for me
[01:58] <David-A> xubuntu526: "it wont let me call anyone" means you have it installed already i presume. right? the problem may be somewhere in the skype settings.
[01:59] <David-A> oh, come back...
[02:00] <David-A> xubuntu567: are you the same nick as the previous xubuntu526 ? (with the skype problem?)
[02:01] <David-A> oh, you too...
[05:00] <tdignan> So, the latest ubuntu packages for xfce4-session have a segfault bug.
[05:00] <tdignan> I've built and installed from git using checkinstall to fix this.
[05:00] <tdignan> It seems like this has been a problem for at least a month. How does one go about submitting a new package?
[05:01] <tdignan> I did use checkinstall...
[05:02] <tdignan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/292417/xfce4-session-segfault-suspend-and-hibernate-not-working https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10068
[05:02] <tdignan> my system works now, of course
[05:02] <tdignan> but it was crashing a LOT before.
[10:12] <onr> anyone updated chromium package yesterday?
[10:14] <Unit193> Not that I know of, still stale.
[10:14] <onr> IIRC there wasn't window title bar, now there is
[10:14] <Unit193> !info chromium-browser
[10:14] <Unit193> Guess I'm wrong.
[10:15] <onr> if you haven't updated recently, could you tell me if there's a window title bar?
[10:17] <koegs> onr: same here
[10:18] <koegs> seems they have re-enabled the option, just deactivate it in the settings
[10:18] <Unit193> onr: Can't help, not a user.
[10:19] <onr> koegs: ah, didn't notice. thanks
[13:32] <GridCube> hi
[13:44] <cfhowlett> GridCube, hey
[13:45] <GridCube> :) hi cfhowlett
[13:58] <SuperLag> Is there a way to sort of "reset" the UI for Xubuntu? I've got ~ on a separated volume and it's been moved between Ubuntu versions, and a couple other distros as well. This last move... some of the icons on the top panel have a background, for lack of a better word. When I'm expecting to see the icons with the panel menu bar behind it, I see a white background behind the icon instead.
[14:01] <tych0> SuperLag: I suppose you could try to remove ~/.config/xfce4 and see where that gets you
[14:01] <tych0> there's probably some other stuff floating around to, but that would be a start
[14:15] <Sysi> you can't do that while logged in to xfce, you need to press Ctrl Alt F1 and use tty (Ctrl Alt F7 to get back)
[14:15] <Sysi> otherly xfce settings daemon writes everything back on logout
[14:16] <Sysi> *press c-a-f1 on login window
[14:39] <SuperLag> Yep. Stopped lightdm beforehand, as well.
[14:39] <SuperLag> That did the trick. Obviously I have to redo some configs, but I'm okay with that.
[14:54] <slimjimflim> hi, my wifi icon in the task bar has been saying 'wireless is disabled' for a while, so i've been using iwlist iwconfig and dhclient to connect, but every few minutes, i lose my ip and have to run iwconfig and dhclient again.
[14:54] <slimjimflim> does anyone know how to fix this?
[14:55] <slimjimflim> hi, my wifi icon in the task bar has been saying 'wireless is disabled' for a while, so i've been using iwlist iwconfig and dhclient to connect, but every few minutes, i lose my ip and have to run iwconfig and dhclient again.
[14:55] <slimjimflim> does anyone know how to fix this?
[14:55] <slimjimflim> sorry if that was spammy, just got disconnected again
[14:56] <slimjimflim> running 12.04.2
[16:51] <virender> hello
[16:52] <virender> i wanted to know that how to install xubuntu on vista
[16:53] <GridCube> xubuntu and vista are both operative systems
[16:53] <GridCube> you cant install one over the other
[16:54] <GridCube> if you want to install xubuntu alongside vista download the iso, burn it, boot from the cd and while installing choose to install alongside the other OS, if you want to replace vista with xubuntu choose that option, remember to always backup your data
[17:43] <Sysi> well there are virtual machines
[18:48] <LaitEntier> Hello, I have some sound issues with xubuntu 12.04. I have read !sound. My soundcard is recognized. Does anyone have the time to help me out?
[18:50] <torax> Could you tell what kind of issues you are having?
[18:55] <torax> i really need to enable join/quit on this channel
[18:56] <bullgard4> torax:  Try the command '/quit'.
[18:56] <bazhang> bullgard4, thats not helping
[18:56] <bazhang> torax, which client
[19:01] <torax> irssi, ofc ;)
[19:01] <bazhang> !quietirssi
[19:02] <bazhang> so if thats set already, then reverse it; you may wish to ask in #irssi as well
[19:05] <torax> yea, I ignored them because joins and quits usually filled the whole channel
[20:53] <Guest21556> im getting ready to do an installation, hoping to install to a flash drive. so i can boot the flash drive from bios boot options, not from lilo/grub
[20:57] <knome> boot from bios boot options? i'm thinking you're mixing up two different things
[20:58] <Guest21556> no, dont want it for security. i.e. unplug flash drive when i go home, puter useless.
[20:58] <Guest21556> i mean, do want it for security....
[20:59] <knome> right. but bios boot options only let you select the device, you will need grub anyway (though it doesn't need to be visible (for a very long time))
[20:59] <Guest21556> yea, i put grub on sdh
[20:59] <knome> but sure, you can install grub to the usb disk
[20:59] <Guest21556> :)
[21:00] <Guest21556> it's cp'ing filez.. :) fingerz crossed
[21:00] <knome> good luck.
[21:01] <Guest21556> hoping it is faster than from cd/dvd
[21:02] <knome> it should be faster
[21:08] <Guest21556> kewel


[21:38] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue711 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue711 :D
[21:55] <guiverc> ack & thanks Bashing-om , will get to it later
[21:59] <kryten> Bashing-om: Why aren't the items in the Hub session listed individually in the issue summary as usual?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> kryten: will make it so - In the monents of distractions from the thought process I did change it from that norm.
[22:13] <kryten> Bashing-om: Taking on the issue of a missing Planet section now though, so manual fiddling with the summary should then be a thing of the past..
[22:24] <Bashing-om> kryten: Great - every little bit helps - your "getit" script was a huge help !
[23:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::uwn-commits:: Summary: Account for potentially absent Planet section. @ http://git.launchpad.net/uwn/commit/?id=36235b65db5457ff7e14453c6b02e27ed57c8c5c (by Krytarik Raido)
[23:30] <kryten> Bashing-om: See above. :)
[23:32] <Bashing-om> kryten: Doing :)
[23:40] <Bashing-om> kryten: As simple as updating my git directory - "git fetch; git reset --hard origin/master" ?
[23:41] <kryten> Could just "git pull" in this case, otherwise I think you'll lose the "issues" directory..
[23:44] <kryten> Also, I didn't realize that nowadays the chances of the Planet section being used are down to like 50%, otherwise I'd have made the script account for it earlier.. :3
[23:45] <Bashing-om> kryten: Might be the safer then to just edit the summary-uwn.pl file inplace. Git is not my strong suit :(
[23:46] <kryten> What, no.. just run "git pull" literally..
[23:46] <Bashing-om> kryten: I did not do a deep dive into the script - but again my hat is off to you for your comprehension.
[23:48] <Bashing-om> kryten: No can do "git pull" I get >> "fatal: not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /)
[23:48] <Bashing-om> "
[23:48] <kryten> Well, for it to work you need to be in the "uwn" directory, of course.
[23:49] <Bashing-om> kryten: I was and tried a numner of locations :(
[23:49] <kryten> Terminal capture or it didn't happen! :P
[23:53] <kryten> Of course, I'm assuming you do have a Git clone of the UWN repo lying around.. otherwise just re-clone it.


[00:25] <ubports_bot> Project daily-hammerhead build #361: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/361/
[00:27] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1217: SUCCESS in 57 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1217/
[00:47] <tgBot> Bart Ouzzi was added by: Bart Ouzzi
[00:48] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> I'm trying to put ubuntu touch on my Nexus 5 for the first time...
 Welcome!  Super excited to have you here :)
 Lots of people here to help you.. .I am running a N5 now.
 How can we help?
[00:50] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> I tried to do this using my ubuntu Mate comupter but I had no luck...
[00:51] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> So I'm doing it from my Windows 7 at the moment...
[00:51] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> I'm using CPT
[00:52] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> I started the process 30 minutes ago...
[00:52] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> And it is still going...
 Did you check the lock state?
 fastboot oem unlock
[00:57] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> Oh ! ... It says Ubuntu installed !
 Nice work :)
 Enjoy
 Dekko2 and Telegram are some must have apps
 also, logviewer, uAdBlock and UT Tweak Tool
 use UT Tweak tool to prevent Dekko2 and Browser from suspension
 makes them run much better
 oh, and Podbird
[01:03] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> it works!
 👌🏻
[01:21] <altr0n> anyone here familiar with using gadgetfs on a hammerhead device?
[01:23] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> how do we get out of system settings?
[01:23] <altr0n> I'd like to be able to utilize some of the facedancer bindings from the USBproxy project, but I'm struggling finding information on recompiling the kernel to support gadgetfs
 @Bart Ouzzi, Swipe in from the very left or right side.
[01:31] <tgBot> <Bart Ouzzi> thank you !
 @altr0n, Hmm, we don't have any kernel hackers awake right now unfortunately.
[01:33] <altr0n> no worries, I wanted to see if this was even a sane idea
[01:33] <altr0n> and I can't find any resources on how to build my own kernel
 About UT Tweak Tool?
 Prototyping something with qml :)
 (Video, 12s)https://irc.ubports.com/e7R4nG0d/file_1451
 @Bouzzi, How is it going?
 I'm working on it!
 trying to get apps...  openStore or UbuntuStore?
 OpenStore
 openStore
 👍
 The Ubuntu Store will be closing later this year
 Might be a few things to grab before it is gone...
 I am enjoying Neverputt.. I don't think that is in openStore
 What else?
 Maybe Dalton can help me... thinking I might need to re-flash but not sure.  Trying to switch channels from Stable to Release candidate but in the ubuntu-download-manager logs i'm getting erros like this:
 W1024 21:57:16.219810   844 manager.cpp:160]  6ba8cd1748f542659e454d6ea763cd0bcould not be stored in the db
 any idea what is going on?
 @samzn, +1
 E1202 20:06:32.330752  3280 downloads_db.cpp:146] Could not create the data path /var/cache/ubuntu-download-manager … I1202 20:06:32.338487  3280 downloads_db.cpp:151] Db file is  /var/cache/ubuntu-download-manager/downloads.db … E1202 20:06:32.339639  3280 downloads_db.cpp:160]  out of memory Error opening database
 @Ern_st, :D
 How do you close open apps? ...to clear memory
 swipe up after you are showing all your open apps... that would be a long swipe in from the right edge.
 @Bouzzi, pretty simple once you get the hang of it.
 https://pastebin.com/ZJBDwkba
 why would ubuntu-download-manager try to write a db in ro file system?
 success. thanks to ubuntu-device-flash.  nothing else worked for switching channels. Not even sure why I decided to do this anymore :P
 @samzn, Only prototyping? This looks great an fluently. Why not providing it via ooenstore as release 0.1?
 It's completely non functional yet
 @samzn, noice!
 Ah. OK. Thought it was like the YouTube app on android.
 It will be
 What features would you think be interesting? Video downloading, etc?
[04:13] <Jack> is ubuntu touch can install android app?
 @samzn, notifications :P
 @samzn, wow!
 @Jack, No. We can run only native apps. There is already a sufficieant number of apps available, however not like android. Check it out at https://uappexplorer.com
 @samzn, Is this another example of responsive webapp ? Seems cool !!
 https://i.imgur.com/SIHhP99.mp4
 @popescu_sorin, Ooh, that's nice
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 v0.7 of uMatriks released. ;)
 @popescu_sorin wow. Wich phone and release?
 I think it's an iPhone
 Xd
 Thank you very much for 0.7 @LarreaMikel , @nfsprodriver aand @delijati 😎☺
 @bastos777, iPhone X
 with UBport Ubuntu touch?
 nope.
 look at the header icons...
 and there is no spotify official app for uT
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 @LarreaMikel, Full native
 (Sticker, 414x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DCaAXiXh/file_1452
 @sambuccid, Welcome to QML, where you have hardware accelerated 60FPS animations out of the box by just adding PropertyAnimation { from... to... }
 @samzn, Nice!
[11:56] <tgBot> GiovanniStaiano was added by: GiovanniStaiano
 Hi, I have problems installing Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 5. Anyone can help me?
 How can we help :)
 I have to unlock the bootloader to install Ubuntu Touch right?
 I think I have this problem...
 Fwd from KevinBessey: Hey everyone.  Trying to install Ubuntu touch to Nexus 5. Using the snap ubportsinstall and got to the"please reboot to bootloader" and did it.
 Fwd from KevinBessey: Now it's stuck there even though I've put it into fastboot.
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 You have unlock it first
 `fastboot oem unlock` i believe it was
 warn it will wipe your device
 also, you `must` reboot after unlocking
 The Installer should try to do that for you. Silly damn thing.
 Maybe You have to unlock the bootloader ?
 Exactly, what Dalton said
 @UniversalSuperBox, The installer that is Ubports installer?
 @GiovanniStaiano, Yep, that's the one you're using right now
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 @UniversalSuperBox OK, can you help me step by step? What is the first thing to do?
 Well, first try rebooting your computer and the phone and start over again
 Did it
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 Aha, do you have ADB enabled on the phone?
 Yes
 @GiovanniStaiano, Well, let's plug it in
 Are you running 17.10?
 Yes
 I have connected the phone but no change on desktop
 17.10? show off ;)
 Select device manually —> Nexus 5 —> gogogogo
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 You will need to pick 'wipe'
 Wipe yes?
 YES
 Sorry, hit caps
 That was not on purpose
 THIS IS  ;)
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 I can go?
 Yes, assuming you don't want any of the data that is currently on your phone
 No :)
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 And it just stays there, huh?
 Yes
 Following the instructions the result is this
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 Alright... Could you try the following? … sudo apt install android-tools-fastboot … fastboot oem unlock
 OK
 Do I have to restart my phone first?
 You'll have to restart your phone after running it
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 M'I suppose to access to an article from thiw webpage ? only available link is the RSS feed.
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 @Mohannes @UniversalSuperBox It looks like the device is not recognized. But Ubuntu file manager recognizes it.
 Hmm, there seems to be a bug in 17.04
 Any chance that CPT works?
 @Mohannes where is the link to that?
 @GiovanniStaiano, How about running "adb devices"  ,also it might help to use USB2 port.
 @popescu_sorin, this is awesomeness!  nice work ! drop this! land this! make this happen!
 it's an Iphone X ^^^
 @GiovanniStaiano then run fastboot oem unlock
[13:41] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, I definitely prefer Ubuntu Touch way
 @popescu_sorin, lame.
 it proves how much I touch it
 but this kind of 'feeling' is what we need.  a uniqueness that makes it stand alone.  the way it is now is fine, but something with some kind of ebb/flow would be cook
 and also cool
[13:46] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, To quick fingers ✍
 @UniversalSuperBox, already fixed it in a 1-on-1 chat.
 It wasnt the link or whatsoever. Kevin had to scroll down 2 cm to see the embedded soundcloud audiofile ;)
 lol
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ah cpt. let me check
 @UniversalSuperBox, https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5, and @GiovanniStaiano click on the CPT link in the linux download frame
 I'm working with @GiovanniStaiano in 1on1... adb is not working on his machine. errors out
 will CPT work if adb isn't working?
 @UniversalSuperBox ?
 @GiovanniStaiano, I think the problem is the rules on the os, type in the terminal adb devices or fasboot devices and shoe the result.
 show the result
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/cV0mCCAL/file_1472.jpg
 @Giampy_DAntonio Yea, @GiovanniStaiano has me stumped...
 try with `adb kill-server`
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 To celebrate 906 members, it's time for Episode 14 - Nefarious Nematode.    Enjoy! … https://ubports.com/blog/the-audiocasts-3/post/ubuntu-touch-audiocast-014-nefarious-nematode-92
 @wayneoutthere, 👋
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/veHgAbrp/file_1475.mp4
[15:12] <tgBot> Merbin J Anselm was added by: Merbin J Anselm
 @wayneoutthere, Is that...a.. AUDIOCAST?!
 Hell yeah! Audiocast!
 @Mohannes, This
 This chat feels like XDA sometimes
 @PhoenixLandPirate, just imagine what will happen when we hit 923 members????!!!
 @GiovanniStaiano, when that happens to me I try sudo and it usually works
 Hmm someone wants to write me a few messages again? ^^
 Hello @Flohack
 😁
 Hello Mr. Smiley ^^
 Tell me when to stop
 just go on a bit
 I will write probably a message at 30 seconds per massage
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/A74a0ciT/file_1448.mp4
 Reverse the ratio
 I mean
 So it would be
 Something like
 @Flohack, Hello
 2 messages per minute
 Cool
 I like this job 😁
 fast as flash
 Yeah 2 messages is fine ^^
 want some GIF?
 Okay
 Nooo please not, I cant see it on UT ^^
 stickers?
 You can yes
 Seems like so many people are here to help you out.
 😁
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/z4wddGNh/file_1476
 I'm here to insult you.  What can I do for you?
 Cool I lost the first message ^^
 Weeereeee
 You're so slow.   Just spamming don't mind
 Ok now loosing more messages. Not good
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/WUjJIIjX/file_1477
 Loosing messages?  You call yourself a developer???
 Hope you didn't lose my messages!
 @mehmehmehmehmehmehmeh, 😜
 @wayneoutthere, Right now he is a tester 😝
 (Sticker, 512x350) https://irc.ubports.com/KR090Nf2/file_1478.webp
 His alter ego must have developed the code. 😝 Just spamming
 Ok thanks guys. Yes testing ^^
 @TheImpulson, @Flohack
 Should we stop.
 Yes you can stop now
 ^^
 Say we should stop
 we should stop
 Happy to help 😁
 Thanks.
 Great. Me going back to my server.
 Good night
 Love to spam 😜
 hey @Flohack did you hear your beatbox in the first few minutes of the audiocast? ;)
 yeaaah
 LOVE IT
 calling all beat boxes!
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 Thanks a lot to everyone!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JUqhO7M7/file_1481.mp4
 Ahahah 😁
 Hi together. :) … Unfortunately, I still have issues with 100% cpu load becasue of wlan-driver on my Nexus 5. … Today I managed to get some logs for boot with crashed wlan-service and for successful "normal" boot. … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/304 … If anybody here has similar issues with the Nexus 5 further experiences or comments would be appreciated. 😊
 there are no updates in rc and devel for bq e4.5?
 E4.5 is no core device.
[20:12] <tgBot> <Luis Fortanet> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1p7bHq96/file_1483.mp4
[20:12] <tgBot> <Luis Fortanet> Sorry..
 @Luis Fortanet, you can delete it, if you want...
[20:17] <tgBot> <Luis Fortanet> Yeeess.. Thanks😁
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 I have windows 7 🙄
 I need to dual boot windows 7 and Ubuntu ?
 Or I can install from windows using any 3rd party software or anything ?
 @Pawangond, you have..... windows 7? I'm afraid I am unable to assist on ethical grounds but someone else here might
 There is the ubports installer also for windows https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 I'm also unable to assist because I'm not awesome
 @bastos777, Scroll down and you will see instructions
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 @nfsprodriver, Is a Nexus 4 a core device ? I doubt, but still got daily devel update.
 Don't think so. See https://www.ubports.com/devices
 @Ern_st, Aiui devel channel releases daily builds, even when absolutely nothing changed.
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 Gold night for me...
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