[07:21] <ESphynx> hey guys, why would a build fail, with no build log?
[07:22] <geser> ESphynx: most probably LP lost track of the build, try a "retry" of it
[07:23] <ESphynx> geser: It happened on 2 builds though ( at same time )
[07:24] <ESphynx> I clicked retry on both
[07:37] <jfi> same issue with my package few minutes ago, a build has failed without any log
[07:40] <wgrant> jfi, ESphynx: Which builds?
[07:42] <jfi> wgrant, https://launchpad.net/~jfi/+archive/psensor-unstable/+build/4406549 , I have "retried" it, so you can no more see the message
[07:43] <wgrant> jfi: Thanks.
[07:43] <wgrant> Looks like we have three builders that are a bit unhappy and breaking things.
[07:43] <wgrant> I've disabled them for now, so that should stop happening.
[07:43] <jfi> ok, thanks wgrant for the quick solving:)
[07:44] <wgrant> Thanks for letting us know.
[07:45] <wgrant> (if a build fails to start repeatedly, we try to work out if it's the builder or the build that's causing the problem... in this case I can see was the builder, but the automatic check erroneously decided it was the build instead, so it got failed to get it out of the queue)
[07:52] <teolemon> as for thanking, thanks wgrant for the LP translations fix :-)
[07:54] <wgrant> teolemon: Due to the long weekend it won't be fixed on production until the middle of next week, but I've confirmed that all the missing strings show up with the new code.
[07:54] <jfi> wgrant, hum, failed again, same message, you can see it at: https://launchpad.net/~jfi/+archive/psensor-unstable/+build/4406549
[07:54] <jfi> wgrant, this time I have monitored to see which build it is: https://launchpad.net/builders/chindi02
[07:54] <wgrant> Maybe some more builders have joined the party...
[07:55] <wgrant> Ah, no, that's just fallout from the previous failure.
[07:55] <jfi> I am going to do a test the build on my computer with pbuilder, maybe that's my fault
[07:55] <wgrant> Retrying doesn't reset the failure count
[07:55] <wgrant> It's not your fault
[07:55] <wgrant> But once a build gets killed once due to several successive failures, a single failure will cause it to be killed.
[07:55] <wgrant> Retrying it again will hopefully work
[07:56] <wgrant> If not, I will find a bigger hammer.
[07:56] <jfi> ok, I hit retry again
[07:58] <jfi> hum the build score is strange, it has been changed to Build score:99999, never had this kind of value
[07:59] <wgrant> That's because I want to make this work :)
[07:59] <wgrant> It should be working now
[07:59] <wgrant> It has a log
[08:01] <jfi> yes, sounds good, started on  chindi01 , instead of chindi02 previously
[08:02] <jfi> "Finished a moment ago (took 3 minutes, 48.0 seconds) "
[08:03] <wgrant> Great
[08:04] <wgrant> I'm fixing the retry code to reset the failure count, so a bad builder won't carry over after a retry.
[11:07] <shadeslayer> hi, is the upload processing kaput?
[11:08] <shadeslayer> I uploaded a package quite some time ago, no emails so far
[11:08] <czajkowski> shadeslayer: hmm not seen any issues
[11:08] <czajkowski> wgrant: something changed?
[11:09] <shadeslayer> hm, I guess maybe it didn't upload from my end then
[11:09] <crass> I've deleted some packages in a PPA, but the binary Mb usage has not gone down.  One it reaches the max of 2gb, will it delete the oldest binaries?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> crass: it'll delete the binaries whenever on the next cleaning run
[11:10] <shadeslayer> it takes time for the binaries to go away afaik
[11:10] <crass> ok, thanks
[11:10]  * shadeslayer uploads again to make sure
[11:13] <crass> why is this import stuck on "updating branch.."? https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/grub/grub2-bzr
[11:13] <crass> the location appears to be correct
[11:15] <voldyman> guys i want to fetch all bugs realted to a project but the API doesn't provide something like that, any better way than scraping the site?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> czajkowski: I think my earlier upload didn't quite get uploaded
[11:20] <geser> voldyman: doesn't the "searchTasks" method of a project object doesn't work for you?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> czajkowski: not sure if you're aware of the issue or not but https://launchpad.net/builders/ is inaccessible for me
[12:59] <czajkowski> shadeslayer: yup thats normal ;) stuff being built that people don't need to see
[12:59] <czajkowski> it'll be fine in a bit
[12:59] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:59] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:01] <shadeslayer> czajkowski: but then won't that be visible in the build history of a builder?
[13:04] <czajkowski> it'll be finshed son shadeslayer
[13:05] <czajkowski> *soon
[14:43] <dobey> i really wish that bug would get fixed
[14:44] <czajkowski> it's marked as high as soon as we finish the last 100 criticals I'm sure they;ll get right on it :)
[14:51] <wgrant> dobey: We have a lot of bugs, many of which prevent users from doing things, and not very many engineers
[14:51] <wgrant> That bug doesn't break any significant Launchpad functionality
[14:51] <wgrant> So it's not terribly high priority.
[14:53] <wgrant> We are, of course, happy to help people fix bugs like that.
[14:53] <wgrant> Or any bugs :)
[14:53] <czajkowski> pick a number any number
[14:53] <wgrant> But we don't have the resources to fix everything today :)
[14:53] <dobey> right. it's just distracting when it keeps coming up and people ask about it :)
[14:53] <czajkowski> dobey: oh indeed, every week I get asked
[14:53] <czajkowski> today it appeared on -devel
[14:54] <dobey> yeah
[14:54] <czajkowski> but at the end of the day it's not breaking lp, :/
[14:54] <czajkowski> have to draw the line somewhere
[14:54] <czajkowski> I relaly should eat llunch at some point today
[15:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: 1
[15:34] <czajkowski> if you cna fixt bug 1 :)have fun
[22:03] <george_e> This is probably a strange question but... how do I delete ARM builds from my PPA?
[22:03] <george_e> One of the packages in the PPA provides ARM builds but since that package is used as a dependency of another package that does NOT provide ARM builds, it's just wasting space.
[22:04] <czajkowski> george_e: what ppa ?
[22:04] <george_e> czajkowski: https://code.launchpad.net/~george-edison55/+archive/nitroshare-dev/+packages
[22:04] <czajkowski> ARM isnt enabled on the nitroshare-dev ppa
[22:05] <george_e> That's correct - I copied the binaries from another PPA.
[22:05] <george_e> I only wanted to copy the amd64 / i686 binaries, but the ARM ones were copied as well.
[22:05] <george_e> There didn't seem to be an option to exclude any architectures.


[02:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:21] <Bashing-om> The house recognizes lotuspsychje :P
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[02:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Main has slowed down - time for another cuppa :D
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah have a big one next to me
[06:15] <ducasse> good morning
[07:29] <CoCo_Kid594> hi all.. came here because I was off topic in ubuntu
[07:33] <CoCo_Kid594> looking for someone using a hercules mainframe and ubuntu..
[07:37] <ducasse> CoCo_Kid594: better try #ubuntu-server


[01:22] <cwillu_at_work> tumbleweed, qemu had fixed any of those?
[01:24] <tumbleweed> cwillu_at_work: no, same problem with the current git head
[01:25] <tumbleweed> I was trying to test a few FTBFS bugs, but it seems that qemu just isn't a workable solution for this
[01:25] <cwillu_at_work> qemu-static-arm should work fine though
[01:26] <cwillu_at_work> with the added bonus that you can use all of the cores of your desktop
[01:26] <tumbleweed> hmm, I haven't tried that
[01:26] <cwillu_at_work> I've hacked up my rootstock to work via chroot, works great
[01:26] <cwillu_at_work> <3 asac or lool or whoever told me to try it
[01:26] <tumbleweed> heh
[01:27] <tumbleweed> any recommended way to do that? pbuilder integration would be awesome :P
[01:28] <cwillu_at_work> just change runvm to chroot, calling installer directly
[01:28] <cwillu_at_work> oh, and fix up the script to not do things like reboot, obviously
[01:28] <cwillu_at_work> haven't done anything with pbuilder
[01:28] <tumbleweed> ok, i'll have a shot in the morning (2 30 am)
[08:42] <hrw> morning
[10:11] <hrw> "ld: cannot find -lgcc_eh" - someone remembers that?
[10:19] <lool> NCommander: around?
[10:19] <lool> NCommander: May I ask you for recommendations for debconf?  I wonder whether it is of any importance which NY airport I land at
[10:19] <lool> hrw: It might be the renames which are being done in the gcc packaging
[10:20] <lool> hrw: upstream uses e.g. /usr/lib/foobar/4.4.4 and we use /4.4
[10:20] <hrw> anyway found issue - rebuilding again
[13:54] <sebjan> ogra: Hi! I think you have been doing some packaging for u-boot for omap4? Do you have some pointers to code or guidelines or advices to share?
[14:43] <ogra> sebjan, u-boot-omap4 is the package, take a look
[14:43] <sebjan> ogra: ok, thanks
[14:54] <zumbi> hrw: did you need something? why do you CTCP ping me?
[14:55] <zumbi>  hrw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requested CTCP TIME from zumbi
[14:56] <zumbi> 11:39 [freenode] hrw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requested CTCP VERSION from zumbi
[14:58] <hrw> zumbi: I requested time just to check timezone
[15:02] <zumbi> hrw: sure, i am at .es (EU timezone, UTC+1)
[15:02] <hrw> ~curse iconv tests in eglibc
[15:03] <zumbi> in couple weeks i'll be at UTC
[15:03] <zumbi> hrw: FYI, if you build eglibc with debian patches applied, it will fail on gcc-stage2 builds
[15:04] <ukleinek> zumbi: how come your here and not in front of your TV?
[15:04] <ukleinek> :-)
[15:05] <zumbi> crtX defines __libc_alloca which it should not
[15:05]  * ogra_cmpc was about to ask the same :)
[15:05] <zumbi> ukleinek: what are you doing here? these ubuntu people has tricked you too :-)
[15:05] <ogra_cmpc> GrueMaster, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/jasper/ has a new test image
[15:06] <zumbi> well, I am working (in front PC) and we can have small screen with the game :)
[15:07] <hrw> zumbi: I passed gcc/stage2
[15:09] <zumbi> hrw: great :)
[15:11] <hrw> why core i7 are so expensive :(
[15:15] <amitk> hrw: because they are fast?
[15:16] <hrw> amitk: ;)
[15:16] <hrw> amitk: too bad that move from my q6600 -> i7 would be nearly 1k€
[15:17] <hrw> hi prpplague
[15:18] <prpplague> hrw: hey bud
[15:20] <GrueMaster> ogra_cmpc: downloading now.  Should be ready by the time my coffee is ready.
[15:29] <ogra_cmpc> GrueMaster, resizing works fine on two cards i tested, dont expect it to work after reboot yet (flash-kernel changes are still missing)
[16:17] <GrueMaster> ogra_cmpc: Is there any documentation online for creating these images?  If so, I can manually build them here, as I have a local mirror of the repo.  It would also enable me to do some more specialized testing.
[16:18] <ogra_cmpc> GrueMaster, you should be able to create the rootfs with livecd-rootfs
[16:18] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:18] <ogra_cmpc> i cana give you a script for the rest once you have it
[16:20] <GrueMaster> I assume I will need a newer livecd-rootfs than Lucid?
[16:20] <ogra_cmpc> latest from maverick
[16:29] <GrueMaster> ogra_cmpc: ready for your script.
[16:30] <ogra_cmpc> you need the u-boot-omap3 and x-loader-omap packages
[16:30] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:30] <ogra_cmpc> unpack them s0omewhere with dpkg -x
[16:32] <ogra_cmpc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/450637/
[16:32] <ogra_cmpc> adjust the paths in the script, it takes the path to the .ext3 file as arg
[16:33] <ogra_cmpc> you need to run mkimage for the vmlinuz and initrd.img files livecd-rootfs spits out and point the script to the resulting uImage/initrd files
[16:37] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:56] <GrueMaster> ogra_cmpc: FYI: Today's image boots the .34 kernel, but only the 2.6.35-2 kernel & modules are on the root partition.
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> gar
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> i didnt re-roll the ext3
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> GrueMaster, did the resizing work this time for you ?
[16:58] <GrueMaster> on this particular card, yes.  Will check it on other cards.  16G card, took ~15-20 minutes (I wasn't particularly watching).
[16:59] <ogra_cmpc> i hope the time gets down a bit if we have a bigger image
[16:59] <ogra_cmpc> so the gap gets smaller
[17:00] <ogra_cmpc> it takes 6min on my 4G testcard
[17:04] <GrueMaster> I'll try to do some timing tests this week, using my desktop USB SD card reader as a baseline.  I personally think it may be more I?O bound than platform bound.
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> well, essentially the FS should just get expanded and be filled with zeros
[17:05] <GrueMaster> right.
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> probably the filling takes so much time
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> did you get any probs with the missing modules ?
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> oem-config worked for me (i did only check for that)
[17:07] <GrueMaster> Only networking (so far).
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> ah, i didnt even test networking
[17:08] <GrueMaster> OEM config seems to want to install additional packages.  I am assuming that is by design?
[17:09] <GrueMaster> I.e. ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-netbook, etc.
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> only if you make a selection in the task selector :)
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> just dont make one
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> for netbook the tasksel part will not be there
[17:10] <GrueMaster> well, duh.  I just wanted to verify that the task selector should be coming up.
[17:10] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[17:11] <GrueMaster> did you see my note yesterday regarding jasper naming?
[17:11] <ogra_cmpc> the console switching is also a bit weird, but that might be caused by plmouth crashing
[17:15] <GrueMaster> also, jasper log is now reporting this error:
[17:15] <GrueMaster> ext2fs_check_if_mount: Can't check if filesystem is mounted due to missing mtab file while determining whether /dev/mmcblk0p2 is
[17:15] <GrueMaster> mounted.
[17:16] <ogra_cmpc> hrm, that was supposed to be fixed
[17:18] <ogra_cmpc> can you paste the jasper log somewhere ?
[17:19] <GrueMaster> hard to do w/o network, but I can try.
[17:19] <ogra_cmpc> jasper is supposed to have created an mtab file before running resize2fs
[17:19] <ogra_cmpc> well, is there any hint that mtab coundnt be created in the log ?
[17:20] <GrueMaster> It does.  Then deletes it before running tune2fs.  Maybe move the rm to the bottom?
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, the message comes from tune2fs ?
[17:21] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, indeed, i'll move it to the bottom
[17:24] <GrueMaster> is there an easy way to transfer text through the serial port?  I want to copy/paste the jasper.log for you, but would rather not retype it.
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> nah, all fine
[17:25] <ogra_cmpc> forget about the log
[17:25] <GrueMaster> ok
[17:25] <ogra_cmpc> or cp it to the SD if you feel like
[17:25] <ogra_cmpc> and then pull it off there before next test
[17:25] <GrueMaster> Yea, I suppose I could sneaker-net it.
[17:30] <GrueMaster> ah, that works.  Launch sudo getty /dev/ttyS2
[17:31] <GrueMaster> It has been a long time (~8 years) since I messed with serial consoles.
[17:32] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> odd;  NetworkManager is trying to configure the ethernet (dhclient and so forth) on a zippy2, even though nothing is plugged in (and mii-tool agrees that there's nothing plugged in)
[17:38] <ogra_cmpc> broken sysfs entry of the NIC ?
[17:38] <cwillu_at_work> where should I look?
[17:38] <ogra_cmpc> NM code and sysfs
[17:39] <ogra_cmpc> i dont know from the top of my head what it looks for
[17:41] <cwillu_at_work> don't see any difference in /sys/.../eth0/* when I unplug it
[17:42] <cwillu_at_work> ah well
[17:42] <cwillu_at_work> try again under 2.6.35 once that's working I guess :p
[17:46] <GrueMaster> cwillu_at_work: /sys/.../eth0/link_mode maybe?
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> nope
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> I compared every file in there
[17:46] <GrueMaster> Or it could come through as a uevent.
[17:47] <cwillu_at_work> nope, nothing in udevadm monitor
[17:54] <GrueMaster> Well, the driver may not be sending udev reports properly.  But I believe network manager is using udev.
[21:16] <Martyn> Is there a reccomended install image for the Lange?
[21:29] <GrueMaster> Martyn: I think it was Jaunty, but I'm not sure.


[00:31] <SineTheCreator> hi all. i just installed lubuntu 12.10 on a laptop. everything seems to be working very well, but i'm using gigolo and samba to mount network shares and i'm having an odd problem
[00:31] <SineTheCreator> shares mount okay and can be browsed with no problems. but when i try to copy a folder or somesuch the copy dialog will lockup after the first file
[00:32] <SineTheCreator> only one file actually gets copied
[00:32] <SineTheCreator> it happens if i select multiple files and copy/paste as well
[00:32] <SineTheCreator> i'm on wifi but i have a good signal and this card has worked fine in other distros. any ideas? this one is wracking my brain
[01:22] <IveBeenBit> I have an old laptop with about 220MB of RAM and a 1.3 GHz Celeron processor. I don't think it's able to boot from a USB. Can someone point me to an .iso file that is <700 MB so I can install lubuntu from a CD?
[01:23] <holstein> !minimal | IveBeenBit
[01:23] <holstein> you can add whatever desktop you think might work.. i would want to try the live CD and see how things are supported
[01:25] <IveBeenBit> OK thanks. I never thought of trying it from a live CD. Any opinion on these? The iso is 675 MB https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[01:26] <holstein> IveBeenBit: by live CD, i mean, from usb or cd..
[01:26] <holstein> IveBeenBit: the alternate or the minimal will install... not sure if the desktop will come up.. and im not sure about hardware support
[01:30] <IveBeenBit> Thank you. I'll give the alternat install a try and if that doesn't work, will use the Minimal.
[01:52] <IveBeenBit> OK when trying to install, I get an error that says: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU. Would the "minimal" installer be any better? I'm using the 12.10 alternate installer. Or do I have to go back to lubuntu 10.10 or something?
[01:53] <IveBeenBit> hrm, my message looks like it was truncated. The important stuff made it, though.
[02:59] <holstein> IveBeenBit: i would use a non pae kernel
[02:59] <holstein> !minimal
[02:59] <holstein> ^^ i would get 12.04.. or even 10.04 for that hardware
[03:00] <holstein> i would probably get a puppy linux live CD too
[03:00] <IveBeenBit> OK. It's getting late here but I'll take a whack at a minimal install tomorrow. Thanks!
[03:00] <holstein> IveBeenBit: the non pae kernel is the key
[03:01] <holstein> IveBeenBit: AFAIK, the pae is all we have from 12.10 on..
[03:02] <IveBeenBit> There is a note on here about old hardware, but they don't use the word "pae." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[03:05] <holstein> IveBeenBit: thats why i said i would try 10.04... wouldnt bother me at all to run 10.04 on that hardware.. and it'll work
[03:06] <holstein> IveBeenBit: this is what you are dealing with http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-1210-on-non-pae.html as well as an older machine with low ram
[03:06] <holstein> what would i do? install the last minimal or server ubuntu i could tolerate installing on there
[03:08] <holstein> if i wanted a desktop environment, i would boot puppy
[03:10] <IveBeenBit> Good deal, holstein. Thanks again for the help.
[03:11] <holstein> IveBeenBit: cheers
[03:56] <datakid> hello, new to lubuntu, installing 12.10 over ubuntu 11.10. During installation when asked for type, does "Erase Ub 11.10 and reinstall" only affect my current root partition or does it reformat the whole drive. I have a separate /home partition that I would like left alone
[03:57] <datakid> they share a physical drive, and are parted with / on /dev/sda2 and  /home on /dev/sda3
[03:58] <holstein> datakid: i would to custom partitioning to be sure
[03:58] <datakid> choose the "something else" option then?
[03:58] <holstein> datakid: thats what i would do
[03:59] <holstein> erase 11.10 should do just that
[03:59] <holstein> if thats what you want to do, then you can do that...
[04:00] <datakid> "do just that" you mean it will only install lubuntu into /dev/sda2?
[04:00] <holstein> i mean, it will erase 11.10.. i have no idea where it is
[04:04] <datakid> ok, thanks holstein appreciated. Fingers crossed, am something elsing
[06:55] <Guest65241> Hello room
[06:55] <Guest65241> is ther ny one who can help me out to configure ubuntu as a terminal server
[06:56] <Guest65241> wwith msoffice
[09:22] <donnie> "We have experianced a problem"... like what? Existing?
[09:25] <donnie> "System program problem detected"... My analysis. being Lubuntu... Not once have I had 1 version of this distro work right...
[11:50] <Naphatul> youtube videos on chrome are showing with artifacts, is it possible that i don't have the right gpu driver? how do i find that out?
[11:52] <Naphatul> the sound also stutters
[15:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Is there a particular reason why Lubuntu needs gksudo permissions to reconnect to networks?
[16:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Wow. Is anyone even here?
[16:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey Aksel
[16:10] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: I don't have this problem with my 12.10 install.
[16:11] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: What?
[16:11] <SonikkuAmerica> What problem?
[16:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you install the 13.04 beta 1 and run into a problem?
[16:13] <phillw> (16:55:27) SonikkuAmerica: Is there a particular reason why Lubuntu needs gksudo permissions to reconnect to networks? I've not tried disconnecting from the network in 13.04. The Beta 2 is due out today, I'll have a play with it and see if I (or others) can replicate it.
[16:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, that. Funny how I forgot I asked a question.
[16:15] <phillw> do pay attention, we reserve the right to hold a quiz to ensure people are doing do :P
[16:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Especially here, with almost zero traffic.
[16:16] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[16:16] <phillw> I've got the Beta 2 installed on a VM, I'll ask someone using WiFi to see if they have the problem.
[16:16] <SonikkuAmerica> OK.
[16:16] <SonikkuAmerica> I need to change host, so I'll be back in a sec.
[17:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm back...
[17:24] <leoquant> \o/
[17:24] <phillw> hi SonikkuAmerica Ali is just having a different issue and is currently doing some further checks, he'll have a preliminary result in the next hour.
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> OK... I have all the time in the world.
[17:25] <phillw> he's got to have a bootable system 1st :P
[19:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Any update on the "net requires gksudo" issue?
[19:00] <wxl> SonikkuAmerica: i seem to remember this probelm
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> And?
[19:01] <wxl> is the wifi conenction for all users?
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> I am the only user of this machine.
[19:01] <wxl> that's not what i asked
[19:01] <wxl> (and technically you're not)
[19:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Apparently the answer is no if you count root.
[19:02] <wxl> indeed
[19:02] <wxl> so make sure that the connection is available to all users
[19:04] <dorohoro> is there somone who do programing with Xlib i need help
[19:04] <SonikkuAmerica> wxl: How's that done?
[19:04] <wxl> in the gui
[19:04] <wxl> right click on the nm-manager applet
[19:04] <wxl> edit
[19:04] <wxl> click on the connection\
[19:04] <SonikkuAmerica> You mean left-click
[19:04] <wxl> hit edit again
[19:04] <wxl> look a tthe bottom left
[19:04] <wxl> right right
[19:04] <SonikkuAmerica> I see a checkbox
[19:05] <wxl> and it's checked?
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Should I uncheck it
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[19:05] <wxl> no, it should be checked
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> dorohoro: Did you check in #xlib ?
[19:07] <dorohoro> i think it problem with lubuntu
[19:08] <dorohoro> it wont open applicaton in 32 bit depth
[19:08] <SonikkuAmerica> dorohoro: Are you running 64-bit?
[19:08] <dorohoro> no 32
[19:08] <SonikkuAmerica> wxl: OK, so what now?
[19:08] <wxl> SonikkuAmerica: dunno. that usually resolves it. what card you using?
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Hold on, I need to lspci
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5677643/
[19:11] <SonikkuAmerica> ^ There
[19:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Lines 19 and 20
[19:11] <wxl> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
[19:11] <wxl> assuming you're only using wireless
[19:11] <wxl> i thought that's whta you said above
[19:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Sometimes I use the ethernet when the bandwidth is low
[19:12] <SonikkuAmerica> for the wireless
[19:12] <wxl> and the ethernet has the same problem?
[19:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep
[19:12] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec... I need to restart, just ran updater
[19:13] <wxl> restart?!
[19:13] <wxl> did you get a new kernel?
[19:15] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, I rebooted, purposefully disconnected and reconnected again. Seems to be no problem no. Weird...
[19:15] <wxl> updates usually help
[19:15] <wxl> reboots are usually unnecessary unless you got a new kernel
[19:16] <wxl> services get restarted typically
[19:16] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm new to Lubuntu, but not to any other release of Ubuntu.
[19:17] <wxl> that's not only true for the canonical family, but across the board on any unix-like system
[19:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Even OS X?
[19:17] <wxl> depends
[19:17] <wxl> if you're using, e.g. homebrew or macports, yep
[19:18] <wxl> if you're using Software Updater, it'll make you do whatever the hell it thinks you need, whether or not you truly need it.
[19:18] <SonikkuAmerica> lawl
[19:18] <wxl> btw, best way to make a mac suck less: homebrew. get it.
[19:19] <SonikkuAmerica> I no haz Mac.
[19:19] <SonikkuAmerica> And if I did: *buntu amd64+mac image
[19:33] <redderhs> Best way to fix a mac so it doesn't suck at all: sell it on eBay and buy a real computer.


 https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/11/15625320/ubuntu-suse-linux-fedora-windows-store-microsoft-build-2017
 Trump as President and Linux running on Windows
 it is a weird world
 yeah, i found that out when google rewards said, "hey, did you know about this?"
 lovely machine learning
 Windows has too many vulns lulz can be hacked with a reverse shell at starbucks wifi level
 @LucianoSc are you in Florida?
 Yes i am
 West Palm Beach
 ahhh
 This week i discovered a 0day on windows called CVE-2017-0290 it is a remote exploit that can cause full takeover of a remote Chromium browser
 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1252&desc=5
 Chromium can be installed on linux too though so it might work on all OS'es that can run Chromium
 Ohh my bad that is a MsMapEng bug that only affects windows, but CVE-2017-5029 is a chromium bug that affects linux chromium broswer, Okay enough messages thats it. lulz
 damn
 so cyber
 I hope everyone here has an awesomesauce day 2morrow !
 @ahoneybun  I was going through kernel source to find an exploit and I came across this.  https://pastebin.adamoutler.com/L1hP  It shows where if the kernele parameters have a problem, the kernel can crash.
 BUG() was what Linus Torvalds had a problem with calling during kernel init.
 You remember that time you changed networking and it caused a crash?  This is likely related.
[14:39] <roaksoax> win 10
 So is there a patch ?
 Ohhh I was like how was I tagged lol
 @ahoneybun I crashed your computer once with good advice..  I think it's worth me at least mentioning you :D
 yea lo
 damnnnn https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lbKhNnFBARrT5TVo3bkyp1UzT0S5Iahy3W9dAQf_sfc/edit#gid=0
 I hacked the pebble watch to send remote code execution commands to a jailbroken iphone, it can remotely control native applications on the phone using custom libraries
 How it works is the iphone and pebble watch share a bluetooth channel and the commands work on an API to be sent to the iphone and the API is connected to homebrewed libraries that control the system using hooks
[23:20] <maxolasersquad> Thats pretty awesome.
 http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/05/12/googles-project-treble-will-modularize-android-make-updates-faster/
 So this is saying that Android will be faster updates? Good for Android, nice!


[12:16] <Eruantalon> How do I make upstart only startup networking when there is actually a cable in the network card(during boot). It works fine once I am in gnome(running Ubuntu feisty).
[12:20] <wasabi> Well, you write about a dozen scripts, to propigate events such as that.
[12:20] <wasabi> Or you use network manager instead.
[12:22] <Eruantalon> What should Wired Connection be set to for that to work?
[12:22] <wasabi> eh?
[12:22] <Eruantalon> in network manager; do you have any experience with that?
[12:22] <wasabi> Uh huh. What do you mean "what should it be set to?"
[12:22] <wasabi> There's only one option: on/off
[12:23] <Eruantalon> oh, but that was not what I was hoping for


[09:51] <ducasse> will the artful server image use the new installer? and if so, will images with the old one still be available?
[17:40] <nacc> ducasse: i'm not sure if it's been decided
[18:35] <ducasse> ok, thanks. i guess this will be covered on tech sites when a decision is made.
[18:57] <nacc> ducasse: likely
[19:11] <dax> There's a new installer?
[19:12] <nacc> dax: subiquity, sent to ubuntu-devel-announced by cyphermox on apr 21
[19:12] <nacc> *announce
[19:14] <dax> huh. what's the motivation for moving off debian-installer? snaps, or...?
[19:15] <nacc> dax: i'm not sure on the internals, i'm also not sure if d-i is not still under the covers
[19:15] <nacc> dax: this is more the installer you see when you pop  in th eserver iso


[09:52] <Kamion> not in dapper, anyway
[09:52] <hyperactivecrond> i'm asking this b/c i planned on making a customization of ubuntu, to run on a dvd, that has ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu-desktop's instlaled. ok thx Kamion
[09:52] <janimo> jordi, which is the largest project that uses rosetta for translations
[09:53] <Kamion> if you need it, you'll have to fish out the patches from SuSE
[09:53] <shaya> seb128: evolution bug: evolution: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/evolution/2.6/components/libevolution-mail.so: undefined symbol: mail_tool_get_local_movemail_path
[09:53] <hyperactivecrond> Kamion: so the ubuntu cd uses syslinux for booting,then?
[09:53] <Kamion> hyperactivecrond: yes, we always have
[09:53] <hyperactivecrond> ah. thanks.
[09:53] <mvo> stratus: thanks for the diff :) merged
[09:53] <Kamion> I'd wait until gfxboot-theme-ubuntu matures a bit more, though, if I were you
[09:53] <seb128> shaya: does it crash?
[09:53] <shaya> yes
[09:53] <shaya> 2.5.4-0ubuntu3
[09:53] <seb128> shaya: evolution --force-shutdown && evolution?
[09:53] <hyperactivecrond> Kamion: ok...
[09:53] <shaya> tried
[09:53] <shaya> try again I will
[09:54] <stratus> mvo, i think it cover the most common mistakes that the user will do after install the package
[09:54] <jordi> janimo: well, some language teams are successfully using Rosetta to translate OpenOffice (Esperanto and Kurdish)
[09:54] <mvo> definitely!
[09:54] <shaya> same crash
[09:54] <shaya> actually, less of a crash, then an exit
[09:54] <stratus> mvo, the only one left out is when user try to run gdebi manually against a non-deb package, it stills spits out a backtrace on him
[09:54] <shaya> yes, no crash, exit
[09:54] <Kamion> hyperactivecrond: (i.e. I'd suggest just using the old syslinux in breezy for now and documenting the boot parameters)
[09:54] <shaya> gdb says Program exited with code 0177
[09:54] <janimo> jordi, I am wondering if rosetta is mature enough to propose it being used exclusively by a project
[09:55] <Kamion> but obviously it's up to you
[09:55] <hyperactivecrond> Kamion: planned on
[09:55] <janimo> are gnome/kde not playing with it yet?
[09:55] <jordi> janimo: many smaller projects are using it already.
[09:56] <janimo> jordi, is there a current status/feature roadmap for rosetta somewhere?
[09:56] <jordi> janimo: KDE and GNOME have their own translation infrastructure. We're working on a few things that will make it possible to transalte GNOME/KDE via Rsoetta without conflicting with their infrastructure though.
[09:56] <Burgwork> janimo, you thinking of moving all of xfce onto it?
[09:56] <janimo> what are the main hurdles you see right now before it could suit most projects needs
[09:56] <jordi> janimo: for future plans, just look at the specs registered for http://launchpad.net/products/rosetta
[09:56] <jordi> th
[09:56] <jordi> that's our roadmap
[09:57] <janimo> Burgwork, exactly, but before proposing this to xfce I need to see if it;s feasible :)
[09:57] <stratus> mvo, i'll translate it to pt_BR and see if there's something more that i can bring into the code (probably not, i'll be short in time) in two or three hours. It's up to you when a new version could be released then. =)
[09:57] <janimo> jordi, thanks. As Burgwork noted I am thinking what it would take to try convincing xfce to try using it
[09:57] <jordi> janimo: xfce, as a project with multiple products under the same umbrella, would currently find some problems with the permission handling of product groups
[09:58] <shaya> seb: nothing seems to have "mail_tool_get_local_movemail_path"
[09:58] <mvo> stratus: your changes justify a release already, feel free to upload it :)
[09:58] <seb128> shaya: move on #ubuntu-desktop please, it's way too noisy here
[09:58] <janimo> jordi, ah so maybe a bit further on?
[09:58] <shaya> downloading source package, to see where its used
[09:58] <stratus> mvo, great i'll do.
[09:58] <jordi> it basically depends on your needs. Do you need that only some designated people by xfce admins are able to work on those translations, or would you allow anyone to contribute to, say, the French translation?
[09:58] <Burgwork> jordi, janimo shall we move to #launchpad?
[09:59] <mvo> stratus: thanks
[09:59] <janimo> ok
[09:59] <janimo> moved over
[09:59] <jordi> Burgwork: sure
[09:59] <hyperactivecrond> how did we get syslinux to support gfxboot? is it in a deb?
[10:00] <hyperactivecrond> never mind.
[10:14] <wftl> Is there a list of major packages to be included in the final Dapper? I'm not looking for individual debs, but specific applications. For example, under the Sound & Video menu, will the basic CD player app still be there (it's not in Flight 2)
[10:14] <tseng> some desktop items are hidden
[10:14] <Burgwork> wftl, dapper is not final yet. And there has been some programs hidden. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
[10:15] <tseng> the menus were too crowded
[10:17] <mdke> wftl, put an audio cd in, it should open automatically
[10:18] <sivang> night all
[10:58] (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) especially given that it's a regression from breezy
[10:59] <Mithrandir> you think the new livecd is a regression from breezy?
[11:00] <mdz> no, the usplash support has regressed though
[11:00] <Mithrandir> but that'll be fixed with the initramfs-usplash patches and we'll all in all end up with a lot smoother live than before
[11:01] <mdz> yes, that's the plan, but I'm saying that there's a little more to it than waiting for usplash-initramfs to land
[11:01] <Mithrandir> sure
[11:02] <mdz> usplash support was a part of the summary for the simplified-livecd spec; the text of the spec delegates that concern to usplash-initramfs, but that spec doesn't cover the livecd-specific aspect that I see
[11:02] <Mithrandir> I'll make sure that we have usplash working, even if it falls between the crack between the specs.
[11:02] <mdz> I appreciate it
[11:03] <Mithrandir> I'm more worried about how it looks as a whole than whether it's my responsibility or not to fix it from fine-reading the spec. :-)
[11:05] <mdz> functionally it's looking good
[11:05] <mdz> have you talked with lamont or infinity about getting livefs images in squashfs format in addition to the existing ones?
[11:06] <mdz> it should be pretty easy for them to arrange
[11:06] <Mithrandir> yes, or rather, infinity said "we'll talk about it on friday"
[11:06] <mdz> good
[11:07] <Mithrandir> it's not a hard thing at all.  I want to play with squashfs-lzma as well, since that saves us even more.
[11:08] <lamont> mdz: you're making me cry
[11:08] <mdz> Mithrandir: you mentioned a figure of ~100M?
[11:08] <mdz> that's fairly astonishing
[11:08] <mdz> lamont: am I?
[11:08] <lamont> du -s public_html/LiveCD/
[11:08] <lamont> 20131140        public_html/LiveCD/
[11:08] <Amaranth> squashfs-lzma saves ~100M?
[11:08] <lamont> but hey, disk is cheap
[11:09] <mdz> lamont: how much per build?
[11:09] <Mithrandir> 15:34 < Mithrandir> -r--r--r--  1 root root 520M 2005-12-19 12:34 /home0/filesystem.cloop
[11:09] <Mithrandir> 15:34 < Mithrandir> -rwx------  1 root root 495M 2005-12-19 13:52 /home0/filesystem.squashfs
[11:09] <Mithrandir> 15:34 < Mithrandir> -rwx------  1 root root 436M 2005-12-19 15:33 /home0/filesystem.squashfs-lzma
[11:09] <lamont> that's on the order of 4 builds
[11:09] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: holy shit
[11:09] <lamont> and has both the cloop and fsimage for each
[11:09] <mdz> lamont: we can scrap the uncompressed version when the build is done
[11:09] <mdz> lamont: oh, you need it for the next one
[11:09] <lamont> mdz: not if you want rsync-love
[11:09] <lamont> yeah
[11:09] <Amaranth> hey, you could fit more languages and/or mono on there with the extra room ;)
[11:10] <lamont> well, we could uncompress it at the start, but sigh.
[11:10] <mdz> only the N-1th build though
[11:10] <Mithrandir> mdz: yeah, and squashfs (both lzma and regular) are rsyncable.
[11:10] <mdz> but unless the machine is out of disk space...;-)
[11:10] <mdz> Mithrandir: is decompression performance significantly different?
[11:10] <lamont> mdz: that 20 is 2 each * 4 at ~2.3GB/build
[11:11] <mdz> lamont: 2 each?
[11:11] <lamont> yeah, the other 1 or 2 failed...
[11:11] <lamont> the prune script just nukes things > 3 days old
[11:11] <Amaranth> i remember lzma being slightly slower than gzip and a lot faster than bz2
[11:11] <Amaranth> dunno what cloop is/uses though
[11:11] <lamont> unless it's the latest or current (last successful), in which case, it's timeless
[11:11] <mdz> cloop uses gzip mostly
[11:11] <lamont> Amaranth: gzip
[11:12] <Amaranth> ok then
[11:12] <lamont> our images are almost entirely gzip -9, according to the log
[11:12] <Amaranth> this is probably one of those things where the small size makes it faster to get off disc so it ends up being a tie or win
[11:12] <lamont> hrm... istr maybe we just forced that, instead of letting it try -1 through -9 before deciding that -9 was best.
[11:13] <mdz> it supports gzip and 7zip
[11:13] <lamont> mdz: it wouldn't be to much of a tweak to have the prune script nuke everything _except_ latest&current
[11:13] <Amaranth> 7zip's "native" format is lzma
[11:14] <mdz> hmm, we could try cloop+7zip
[11:14] <mdz> I doubt it'll be as good as squashfs-lzma though
[11:14] <Mithrandir> mdz: devmapper+cloop: ~367s till disk activity is settled, unionfs+cloop: ~326s, unionfs+squashfs: ~231s
[11:14] <mdz> Mithrandir: !
[11:14] <Mithrandir> mdz: basically, since you're pulling stuff off the CD, it's the cd which is the bottleneck
[11:14] <daniels> Kamion: ping
[11:14] <Amaranth> it's faster than cloop _and_ 100M smaller?
[11:14] <daniels> Kamion: have you seen the xkb-on-console-keymap work?
[11:15] <Mithrandir> yeah, and squashfs gives us the ability to sort the filesystem however we want
[11:15] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: yeah, that's what i was guessing
[11:15] <mdz> Amaranth: not entirely surprising, given that cloop knows nothing about the filesystem
[11:15] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: you can use the same argument for using lzma for packages too :)
[11:15] <mdz> every metadata block has to be decompressed too
[11:15] <Mithrandir> so we can do some cool readahead-based magic and probably just grab the first 100M or so off the CD in one long read.
[11:16] <Amaranth> it'd be nice to have a livecd that didn't take 3 minutes to start
[11:16] <Mithrandir> that'd be fairly sweet.
[11:16] <Amaranth> or longer
[11:16] <Amaranth> i stopped counting at 3 :P
[11:16] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/live-bootcharts/unionfs-squashfs-dapper-20051216-1.png is from my machine (which is fast and has plenty of ram, but still.)
[11:16] <mdz> Mithrandir: when we do data collection to create the readahead list, we can use that same data to sort the filesystem
[11:17] <Mithrandir> mdz: exactly what I was thinking.
[11:17] <mdz> is squashfs going upstream?
[11:18] <lucas> do members of ubuntu-dev have the right to upload multiverse packages ? or does it have to be an ubuntu-core-dev ?
[11:18] <Mithrandir> mdz: hmm, we could do something like bootchart=upload.  readahead=upload, so we could collect usage stats and see what apps people actually started in the first couple of minutes after boot and put those early (and readahead them too, if possible)..
[11:18] <mdz> lucas: ubuntu-dev can upload to multiverse
[11:18] <lucas> ok, thx
[11:18] <Mithrandir> mdz: I don't know; it seems to be nice and stable, so it could, at least.
[11:18] <mdz> more likely than cloop, certainly
[11:19] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: that dang "init" thing seems to be running the whole time, you should try to kill it ;)
[11:19] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: ;-P
[11:19] <mdz> Mithrandir: someone suggested using inotify to track file access during boot; that sounded like the right idea
[11:20] <Mithrandir> mdz: I have suggested it multiple times, I just haven't had time to actually write the code. :-)
[11:20] <mdz> I didn't realize inotify could detect read access
[11:20] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[11:20] <Mithrandir> it can do everything, including summoning dragons and making pigs fly.
[11:20] <Mithrandir> but, I'm off to bed now.  See you around.
[11:21] <Amaranth> night
[11:21] <mdz> good night
[11:21] <psusi> wait a second
[11:21] <psusi> lzma for the squashfs saved 100M?  using the same block size?
[11:22] <psusi> 7zip can save a LOT of space but it seems to do so mostly through use of extreamly large dictionaries... which only apply to data blocks that are larger
[11:23] <psusi> cramfs/squashfs/cloop all use small block sizes to allow random access
[11:24] <Mithrandir> psusi: it works, at least, so yes.
[11:24] <Mithrandir> psusi: that is, I haven't actually booted squashfs-lzma, but it should work.
[11:24] <Mithrandir> it works for the openwrt people.
[11:24] <Mithrandir> but, night, for real.
[11:55] <doko> Kamion: do you have a schedule for the next live CD?
[11:57] <doko> mdz: would it make sense to name packages/package sets in UpstreamVersionFreeze, for which we want make an exception or propose an exception?