[07:26] <regeya> well, randabis, if you tune your fs, install and configure prelink, you'll be close to gentoo speeds, though ymmv
[07:26] <randabis> apt is on par with portage
[07:26] <membreya> can I mount my ntfs to allow writes?
[07:26] <randabis> regeya, did all that. :) gentoo's still faster
[07:26] <Bicchi> why is ubuntu only 1 cd and mandrake, fedora, etc, 3 cds.
[07:26] <membreya> linux is on a 10gb partition and the files I want to write to are 30+gb
[07:26] <zenrox> ubuntus cd gets most of its soft from the web
[07:27] <randabis> Bicchi, because only a basic desktop is on the cd
[07:27] <randabis> if you want the entire library of ubuntu packages you have to enable universe in sources.list
[07:27] <spinifex> oh whoops, I think the reason I couldn't mess with it is because it's doing the tutorial.  nm
[07:27] <Bicchi> how about that live cd. should that give me a good demo of what ubuntu can do.
[07:27] <randabis> sure
[07:27] <zenrox> Bicchi, yep
[07:28] <randabis> I recommend using the latest hoary live cd though
[07:28] <regeya> randabis: I'd evaluate what stuff you've got running in the background, then.  or maybe the fact that I was compiling everything for a small-cache processor on gentoo and only one compiler flag (-Os) had something to do with my gentoo system's slowness :-)
[07:28] <randabis> it pwns the warty live cd
[07:28] <randabis> regeya I have several cflags and even some ldflags
[07:28] <sege> i upgraded to hoary yesterday, gnome stopped working and kde started so i'm happy =)
[07:29] <regeya> heh
[07:29] <farruinn> lol, never heard someone say they were happy something stopped working
[07:29] <Bicchi> lets say i would like to do things like update the kernel, is it as easy as with gentoo using emerge. i know its based on debian as someone said early.
[07:29] <membreya> hey...noone answered my question :P
[07:29] <randabis> Bicchi, yes...you'd just apt-get a new kernel image
[07:29] <randabis> you also have the option of rolling your own kernel
[07:30] <randabis> you'd do it the debian way
[07:30] <randabis> or the standard way if you wish
[07:30] <randabis> debian way is a bit easier though
[07:30] <regeya> farruinn, some people like kde. *shrug* I don't like some of the unresolved konq fs-view bugs, but it's fast these days.
[07:30] <Bicchi> sorry, no experience with debian. can you explain how easy.
[07:31] <randabis> I might give the kde 3.4 beta a try...damn that compile would hurt though
[07:31] <sege> i just cant stand gnome, dont know why.
[07:31] <randabis> Bicchi, http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm explains it pretty well
[07:31] <Bicchi> way this thing does not come with kde ?
[07:31] <jdub> guys, gentoo and desktop arguments are off topic here thanks
[07:31] <jdub> Bicchi: ubuntu doesn't support kde; there will be a kubuntu release soon, which will
[07:32] <randabis> Bicchi, not by default...
[07:32] <Bicchi> i guess i will wait
[07:32] <randabis> Bicchi, you can get kde in current ubuntu if you want
[07:32] <randabis> warty has 3.2 in universe
[07:32] <randabis> hoary has 3.3.2 in universe
[07:32] <regeya> indeed
[07:33] <regeya> unsupported, but they're there :-P
[07:33] <randabis> I think you should give ubuntu's gnome a try though...it pwns every other distro's gnome
[07:34] <Bicchi> i have allways like kde better.
[07:34] <membreya> can I mount my ntfs to allow writes?
[07:35] <regeya> Bicchi, I do too, for the most part, though right now I'm running WM + some gnome stuff.  Ubuntu is geared more toward GNOME use, though.  As jdub said, kubuntu will address that
[07:35] <Bicchi> membreya: i do not think linux kernel supports that, then again, i am new here.
[07:36] <DeepSpaceAnt> Anyone know where i can find help on how to install hl2 using cedega?
[07:36] <regeya> #cedega
[07:36] <randabis> membreya, you can only do that under some circumstances
[07:36] <randabis> there is a driver out there for linux that will let you write to ntfs
[07:36] <membreya> damnit...guess once I get tv-out working I will just dump my windows partition
[07:36] <randabis> it uses the windows driver
[07:36] <eyequeue> membreya:  can you, yes, should you, no
[07:37] <membreya> who here has a xorg.conf file for an nvidia that uses tv-out? :P
[07:37] <Bicchi> membreya: convert ntfs to fat32, problem solved.
[07:37] <randabis> remove windows? excellent :p
[07:37] <membreya> you're a clever one Bicchi :)
[07:37] <eyequeue> membreya:  allegedly there's a thrid-party util that allows safer]  ntfs writes
[07:37] <randabis> yeah it exists...I can't remember the name of it
[07:40] <eyequeue> randabis:  membreya: www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[07:40] <randabis> yeah that's it
[07:40] <randabis> I have no use for it myself
[07:40] <Bicchi> anyone running ubuntu on an amd64, how would you rate it. how advance is ubuntu in 64 bit computing. i mean how much software has been converted to support this platform.
[07:41] <membreya> I think I'll just follow Bicchi's advice and convert the partition back to FAT32
[07:42] <Bicchi> membreya: partition magic does a wonderfull job at it.
[07:42] <membreya> will just use the command prompt :)
[07:42] <Bicchi> defrag first, them backup
[07:42] <membreya> partition is always 0% fragged :)
[07:42] <membreya> I have 40gb of music vids and 30gb of TV eps...won't cry if I lose it ;)
[07:43] <Bicchi> does ubuntu come with a disk partitioning tool.
[07:44] <membreya> qpart
[07:44] <Bicchi> built into the installation that is
[07:44] <Bicchi> like mandrake
[07:44] <membreya> oh..no
[07:44] <farruinn> um, yes
[07:44] <farruinn> parted
[07:45] <membreya> that's what I meant farruinn :)
[07:45] <membreya> remember
[07:45] <membreya> <-- newbie
[07:45] <farruinn> oh, I see what you were saying, it's not like mandrakes?
[07:45] <membreya> after 5 years away from *nix I'm shocked I can remember ls
[07:46] <randabis> Bicchi, the ubuntu installer cannot resize partitions if that is what you are wanting
[07:46] <Bicchi> yes, thats what i meant.
[07:46] <randabis> it can create partitions though
[07:47] <randabis> you could just use a gentoo live cd or something and use parted
[07:47] <randabis> or knoppix and qtparted...pick zee poison
[07:47] <membreya> someone here *has* to be using tv out :P >:(
[07:47] <farruinn> I thought that parted was the paritioner on the ubuntu installer?
[07:48] <randabis> it probably is, but I have yet to find a way to resize with it
[07:48] <randabis> in the ubuntu installer anyway
[07:48] <membreya> cant you just use fdisk randabis ?
[07:48] <membreya> ie change the start and end cylinder
[07:48] <randabis> parted does the same thing
[07:48] <randabis> so yeah
[07:49] <membreya> :)
[07:49] <membreya> w00t
[07:49] <jason__> I've upgraded to Hoary but cannot find any kernels (kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 specifically needed by kernel-image-2.6-686).  I've replaced my sources.list (contains main, universe, multiverse, security all for hoary), ran apt-get update, but still don't see the kernel packages.. any clue?
[07:49] <duckdown> How can I get the VGA font for X? my terminals writing is TINY at 1600x1200
[07:49] <duckdown> imagine when i put it to 2048x1536
[07:50] <eyequeue> jason__:  try 2.6.10 in hoary?
[07:50] <membreya> jason__: did you try getting "headers"
[07:50] <membreya> do an apt-cache search
[07:50] <jason__> eyequeue: Don't see that one either..
[07:50] <hikaru79> I installed KDE and it came with about 60 or 70 games, and I don't need ANY of them, is there a nice easy way to get rid of them at once without manually uninstalling them seperatly?
[07:50] <cthulfuego> duckdown: Uh, just pick a new font for your terms OR run it in a resolution you can read.
[07:50] <jason__> membreya: I did an apt-cache search, just see the kernel-tree, no precompiled images (and only the wrapper for kernel-2.6-686)
[07:50] <eyequeue> jason__:  linux-image-2.6-10*
[07:50] <jason__> ohh
[07:50] <jason__> its linux-image?
[07:50] <mpq> I want more input
[07:51] <jason__> nm
[07:51] <jason__> gotcha.. thanks!
[07:51] <mpq> someone suggested using rubbing alcohol to get rid of the sharpie marks
[07:51] <mpq> do you think this would work?
[07:51] <duckdown> cthulfuego: How can I see what my selections are though.. I used to just add -fn vga to the end of my xterm command
[07:51] <tezza> how much mb's you guys reckon it will be to upgrade to hoary from warty?
[07:51] <eyequeue> jason__:  i think i found ubunto preferred s/kernel-/linux-/ as compared with debian
[07:51] <jason__> eyequeue: So is kernel-image being deprecated?  Or is this until hoary becomes final that its linux-image?
[07:51] <jason__> eyequeue: I see.. thanks!
[07:51] <Bicchi> when installing ubuntu, does it detects a windows partition and creates a boot option in lilo? This is for a dual boot option.
[07:51] <jason__> Bicchi, yup
[07:52] <jason__> Bicchi, did for me, grub found it and added it automatically
[07:52] <membreya> Bicchi: if you're running hoary :)
[07:52] <mlambie> does anyone know what command you use to delete a mailman list?
[07:52] <eyequeue> jason__:  i think the kernel- designation *might* refer to "not tweaked for ubuntu compatibility yet"
[07:52] <membreya> warty didnt
[07:52] <mlambie> i used "sudo newlist blah" to make a new list, and now i want to delete it
[07:52] <jason__> membreya, I just installed yesterday (Warty at first, then updated to Hoary through the sources.list) and it found my XP partition
[07:53] <membreya> warty ...or moreso its build of grub didn't automatically allocate windowsxp in the menu
[07:53] <membreya> but hoary did
[07:53] <jason__> hmm
[07:53] <cthulfuego> duckdown: Set a font via .Xdefaults or .Xresources, then merge 'em.
[07:53] <cthulfuego> duckdown: I have: UXTerm*VT100.faceName: monotype.com
[07:53] <mpq> should I upgrade to hoary?
[07:53] <membreya> cmon..doesn't ANYONE here venture as far as to use tv-out?
[07:53] <jason__> membreya, does it obtain the latest grub through net or does it come on the CD?
[07:54] <cthulfuego> membreya: If you need to ask: No.
[07:54] <cthulfuego> Eh, mpq too.
[07:54] <membreya> jason__: this was using it about a week and a half ago..installing it off an iso image
[07:54] <cthulfuego> membreya: TVs are shit for displaying desktops.
[07:54] <membreya> cthulfuego: but great for watching movies on
[07:54] <jason__> eyequeue, what exactly is the hoary-updates apt source for?  I've added it but I keep getting 404 not found errors..
[07:54] <membreya> th out on a desktop is good if you have a 100hz tv
[07:54] <membreya> th = tv
[07:54] <jason__> membreya,  oh okay, I downloaded the image yesterday and it seems to have an updated grub (or whatever needed to find XP)
[07:55] <eyequeue> jason__:  sorry, i'm not sure.  i imagine though it's for post-april usage, things updated since hoary was released
[07:55] <heliolit1> argh... i was just about to goto bed after installing the ATI video card driver on this Dell Optiplex I set up for my school classroom... but now Gnome won't start... I followed the directions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 which has worked in the past for me can anyone lend me a hand?  I need to revert what I did, but am unsure...
[07:55] <cthulfuego> membreya: Yes, so you burn your movies to DVD and watch 'em on the DVD player.
[07:55] <membreya> cthulfuego: i love using tv out to watch lost...up to episode 15 :)
[07:55] <jason__> eyequeue, i see..
[07:56] <membreya> cthulfuego: that's 30 mins of my time wasted ;)
[07:56] <cthulfuego> membreya: Tsssk.
[07:56] <membreya> ;)
[07:56] <jason__> I like how Ubuntu adds memtest86 automatically
[07:56] <membreya> all the people at work ask me what happens next in Lost :\
[07:57] <cthulfuego> membreya: Did you tell them they find a Minbari Colony?
[07:57] <membreya> haha :P
[07:57] <membreya> they think the polar bears are from a zoo :| I'm like wtf?!
[07:58] <membreya> episode 15 and I still don't know..there's only 23 eps in the first series
[07:58] <membreya> damn america hurry up and screen them
[07:58] <membreya> and stop taking hiatuses
[07:58] <membreya> errr spelling?
[07:58] <cthulfuego> You can at least fetch 16
[07:58] <membreya> 15 only screened this week cthulfuego :)
[07:58] <heliolit1>  1. sudo apt-get install linux-686
[07:58] <heliolit1>  2. sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[07:58] <heliolit1>  3. echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[07:58] <heliolit1>  4. sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx  5. sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:58] <heliolit1>  after rebooting gnome will NOT load...
[07:59] <heliolit1> help please
[07:59] <cthulfuego> membreya: Oh, whoops.. no. 15 is the latest.
[07:59] <cthulfuego> Though screening isn't a prerequisite for downloading.
[07:59] <heliolit1> didn't mean to spam channel with multiple lines, I'm just trying to get this system setup for tomorrow in a 2nd grade classroom... i just killed gnome )=
[08:00] <tezza> how much mb's you guys reckon it will be to upgrade to hoary from warty?
[08:00] <cthulfuego> tezza: Yes.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> 379
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> without openoffixe tezza
[08:01] <tezza> ok cool
[08:01] <cthulfuego> tezza: In between 0 and 2GB, depending on if you actually installed any software,
[08:04] <membreya> anyone know how to mount a network drive at boot ?
[08:04] <membreya> I followed the "unofficial guide" however it errors out
[08:05] <julio> :-)
[08:05] <Xappe> good morning ppl
[08:06] <eskilo> anyone know of a crt hdtv that can act like a monitor?
[08:06] <eyequeue> membreya:  <IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/mount /mountpoint nfs    rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,retry=5,soft 0 0
[08:06] <eskilo> i figure i'll just skip buying a new monitor and kill two birds with one stone.
[08:06] <eyequeue> membreya:  in /etc/fstab
[08:06] <julio> does $sudo lsmod usbcore, load that module?
[08:07] <eyequeue> julio:  insmod "inserts" it, lsmod "lists" it
[08:07] <julio> crap....'cause i'm wondering what's messing up my usb connection with my digital camera.
[08:07] <julio> it WAS working.
[08:07] <membreya> lol WAY different to what the guide has
[08:07] <membreya> it has //Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials       0       0
[08:08] <eyequeue> membreya:  that seems to be some samba crap
[08:08] <devo> hi.  is the hoary hedgehog distro available as a beta .iso for download and testing?
[08:08] <devo> URL?
[08:08] <Xappe> devo, check topic
[08:08] <eyequeue> membreya:  what i posted was for a network fs
[08:08] <devo> xappe: thanks!
[08:08] <eyequeue> membreya:  compltely different protocols.  which did you need?
[08:09] <membreya> I have a share directory on the gf's computer so //<IP_ADDRESS>/MP3s and I want it to automount at startup
[08:09] <membreya> oh god.. I just about typed "at windows boot"
[08:09] <eyequeue> membreya:  "share" means what?
[08:10] <membreya> a shared directory
[08:10] <eyequeue> membreya:  is this using the Network File System?
[08:10] <eyequeue> membreya:  you mentioned windows, so perhaps it's not
[08:11] <eyequeue> membreya:  nfs is typically used to export from one *nix machine to another
[08:11] <membreya> it's using SMB
[08:12] <eyequeue> membreya:  okay, i've never touched any of that, no clue what to tell you other than point you to the docs you said didn't work
[08:12] <membreya> i can access it if I go to Places > Connect to Server...and select Windows Share
[08:12] <eyequeue> membreya:  for future reference though, it would probably save some confusion if specify when you mean ms-based things
[08:13] <membreya> sorry :(
[08:13] <duckdown> umm, i installed eterm through synaptic, but there is no eterm binary.. i did a find / |grep bin/eterm and nothing comes up
[08:13] <eyequeue> membreya:  not a problem, just that we were talking about two entirely different protocols :)
[08:13] <duckdown> that might be a broken download
[08:16] <eyequeue> membreya:  just looking at what you pasted, it seems to have some "credentials" in *root*'s home directory!  yet ubuntu doesn't typically use root ... could this be the problem?
[08:16] <zenrox> eyequeue,  nope
[08:16] <eyequeue> membreya:  again, i know nothing of smb
[08:17] <zenrox> my .crenditals is in root and it works great
[08:17] <fsc> hmm. how do i tell python which wxpython site-package to use? i'm having problems with a wrong version being imported and have multiple versions of wxPython
[08:17] <zenrox> membreya,  up case or lower case letters makes a difference
[08:17] <eyequeue> zenrox:  does his fstab line look correct to you?
[08:17] <zenrox> yes
[08:17] <zenrox> but id ues the ip is its a static network
[08:17] <membreya> I made sure everything is case sensitive zenrox :)
[08:18] <zenrox> dija make the dir for it to mount in
[08:19] <membreya> yup :)
[08:19] <membreya> and I can mount is as I said if I use the gnome interface
[08:19] <membreya> but if I go to console and type mount it's not there >:(
[08:19] <membreya> so I can't see what it's doing
[08:19] <zenrox> or do a sudo mount -a
[08:19] <zenrox> and type in your user password
[08:19] <membreya> ya doing a sudo mount -a anytime I change the fstab
[08:19] <zenrox> yep
[08:19] <membreya> and I disabled the password..it erks me
[08:20] <zenrox> that will mount or remount any thang in the fstab that is mountable
[08:20] <membreya> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on <IP_ADDRESS>/MP3s,
[08:20] <membreya>        missing codepage or other error
[08:20] <membreya>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[08:20] <membreya>        dmesg | tail  or so
[08:20] <membreya> hmmmmm will take out mp3s
[08:20] <eyequeue> anything lacking a noauto, i believe
[08:21] <zenrox> /Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,defaults       0       0
[08:21] <alka_trash> I just switch to thunderbird for email
[08:21] <zenrox> err //Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,defaults       0       0
[08:21] <zenrox> or better yet read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:21] <zenrox> that will tell you how to do it step by tep
[08:21] <zenrox> step
[08:22] <membreya> zenrox: that's where I got the info from ;)
[08:22] <membreya> and nope ..the defaults made no difference
[08:22] <zenrox> hmm
[08:23] <zenrox> hmm
[08:23] <zenrox> try putting in the ip that is assined to that pc
[08:24] <membreya> done ..IP...netbios name
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> no, try this.. make another share on her system with only text files or something with simple file names... then it might mount
[08:24] <eyequeue> is this double-slash syntax correct?
[08:25] <zenrox> yes
[08:25] <eyequeue> and if you change to by-ip, sould you remove the double-slash from the front?
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> reference to codepage errors ... looks like a non -usascii code error
[08:25] <zenrox> nomasteryoda,  that dont make any deference
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> ok
[08:25] <zenrox> membreya,  do you have smbfs installed
[08:26] <membreya> i can access it in gnome ;)
[08:26] <membreya> dmesg | tail gives me smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported
[08:26] <eyequeue> zenrox:  he said it worked from gnome ??? which also implies to remote end is properly configured, which i'd wondered at one point
[08:26] <membreya> i hate me
[08:26] <membreya> i hate me i hate me i hate me
[08:26] <membreya> smbfs : command not found
[08:26] <zenrox> eyequeue,  gnome has a smbfs built in to it
[08:26] <eyequeue> ah
[08:26] <zenrox> cmd line needs smbfs
[08:27] <zenrox> or the mount clients
[08:27] <membreya> zenrox: i apologise for the trouble
[08:27] <membreya> sudo apt-get install smbfs fixed it
[08:27] <zenrox> on no its ok
[08:27] <zenrox> oh no
[08:27] <zenrox> lol
[08:27] <zenrox> easy as pie
[08:27] <nomasteryoda> wow
[08:27] <zenrox> its allways the last thang on the list
[08:27] <ryan_> are there any free virtual machine apps?
[08:27] <membreya> too many years of windows has made me "if the gui works then it must be fine" psychi
[08:27] <nomasteryoda> qemu
[08:27] <zenrox> lol
[08:28] <nomasteryoda> ryan_, qemu works pretty good ...
[08:28] <membreya> -e +e even
[08:28] <zenrox> membreya,  i had the smae prob
[08:28] <membreya> now to get tv out and I will delete windows
[08:28] <membreya> ...oh and after I convert my ntfs to fat so i can write it
[08:28] <zenrox> lol
[08:29] <membreya> back soon
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> qemu, you can download even ubuntu.img file and a ppc img
[08:29] <Xappe> hmm, can I use mounted isos as fake cd:s in cedega somehow?
[08:29] <zenrox> my next big project will be to get my second montor working on another nividia vid card
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, nice
[08:29] <zenrox> ya
[08:29] <ryan_> qemu work well running winxp ?
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> i have one dualhead card at work
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> qemu, with enough ram
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> sure
[08:30] <nomasteryoda> i made one with xp
[08:30] <nomasteryoda> there are gui frontends there too
[08:30] <zenrox> my fx5200 pci has 2 outputs one svideo on dvi out
[08:30] <nomasteryoda> to make it similar to vmware
[08:30] <zenrox> other vid card = tnt2 one montor out
[08:31] <zenrox> can also use my onborrd vid for a 3 montor
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> qemu even works on windows
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> cool
[08:31] <zenrox> just got to edit the xorg.conf right
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> i got a nice 256mb nvidia dualhead for home
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> plays doom3 quite well
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> and bzflag
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> yup
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> and have the nvidia drivers..
[08:32] <zenrox> my pci fx5200 does realy well playing nwn gold + hotu
[08:32] <zenrox> and i have the nvidia drivers too
[08:32] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, good directions on the nvidia site
[08:32] <Xappe> how do I convert bin/cue pairs to .iso?
[08:32] <zenrox> i followed the ones on the wiki
[08:32] <zenrox> even easer
[08:32] <zenrox> bchunk
[08:32] <nomasteryoda> Xappe, download bin2iso
[08:33] <membreya> no go on tv out :'(
[08:33] <nomasteryoda> works well
[08:33] <zenrox> Xappe, bchunk
[08:33] <Xappe> nomasteryoda, thnx
[08:33] <nomasteryoda> np
[08:33] <Xappe> zenrox, thnx
[08:33] <Xappe> cause you can't mount bin/cue, right?
[08:34] <zenrox> membreya,  you got to edit your xserv config file to put to the tv out put port and add the tv as a montor
[08:34] <zenrox> and edit a few other thangs too
[08:34] <zenrox> membreya,  its a pain in the butt
[08:35] <membreya> can I send you my xorg.conf?
[08:35] <Cam-> can i get true transperancy on gnome 2.9.91 hoary with xorg + fglrx?
[08:36] <zenrox> membreya,  i havent even figured out mine yet
[08:36] <nomasteryoda> hey, i got me some nice stickers from linuxmall and covered my windows key.
[08:36] <nomasteryoda> love having tux there
[08:36] <zenrox> lol
[08:36] <zenrox> i just blacked mine out
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, my lug site has a pretty good page on the nvidia config
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> mgalug.org
[08:37] <zenrox> ill check it out
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> look in the /books/suse
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> k
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> i use the full width as one screen
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> awes people at work who only use winders
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> esp the movies full screen like that
[08:38] <zenrox> i dont see it
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> ok let me find the link
[08:39] <membreya> nor I zenrox and I'm keen to get tv out ...windowz must die
[08:39] <membreya> I don't play games anymore..
[08:39] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/nvidia/howto
[08:39] <membreya> lol got an amd64 3200+ to crunch seti
[08:39] <nomasteryoda> i thought it was crossref'd in suse book , but guess not.. it's late
[08:40] <nomasteryoda> time to sleep.
[08:40] <zenrox> nite
[08:40] <nomasteryoda> nt
[08:40] <membreya> nite
[08:41] <Xappe> hmm, how can I mount an iso image so that cvscedega thinks it's a cd? is that possible at all?
[08:42] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, sry.. i guess that post was wiped... will have to do repost tomorrow
[08:42] <duckdown> synaptic installation of eterm or apt-get installing eterm does not work!
[08:43] <duckdown> it does everything supposedly error free
[08:43] <duckdown> but its nowhere to be found
[08:43] <spinifex> Oh yeah, someone wanted to know how my TabletPC (tmc302xmi) was working with ubuntu.  Well it's working great!  Pressure sensitive even
[08:43] <zenrox> ok
[08:44] <zenrox> ya that one was on how to install the drivers
[08:44] <spinifex> and it was pretty easy to set up too.  Hmm, haven't gotten the eraser to work right yet though
[08:44] <membreya> trying again :|
[08:49] <membreya> still no joy on tv out
[08:49] <membreya> hmmm maybe to pass the time I will go convert my NTFS...will come back crying if I lose anything (and no I can't backup, it's 90gb)
[08:52] <mebaran151> Anybody know anything about ALSA
[08:52] <mebaran151> my ALSA is being most confouding
[08:55] <mebaran151> anybody?
[08:58] <Cam-> does anyone know if you can get composite working with fglrx?
[09:00] <mebaran151> ALSA
[09:05] <eyequeue> i have sound myself
[09:05] <eyequeue> no
[09:06] <mebaran151> well
[09:06] <mebaran151> you ahve any idea
[09:12] <mebaran151> My Mixer and modules look fine
[09:12] <mebaran151> but my ALSA makes no sound
[09:12] <mebaran151> I have an emu10k1
[09:13] <mebaran151> and just installed from array 4
[09:13] <mebaran151> any ideas
[09:13] <eyequeue> no
[09:13] <mpq> is it a good idea to upgrade to hoary right now?
[09:15] <Neil3> i personally am going to wait till the final release
[09:15] <zenrox> i am all ready running it
[09:15] <zenrox> and dont have a prob
[09:16] <sanmarcos> where can I find a web repository like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[09:17] <eyequeue> archive.ubuntu.org ?
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> mpq upgrading from warty to hoary is tricky.. it is that you know that
[09:18] <eyequeue> s/org/com/
[09:19] <sanmarcos> eyequeue: thanks
[09:20] <Neil3> what i am doing to get newer packages though is using the backports repository
[09:20] <Neil3> and so far so stable :)
[09:21] <mebaran151> ALSA
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> using backports will cause you a lot of grief when you finally do upgrade to Hoary Neil3
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[09:22] <pitti> Tsjoklat: hi, how are you
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> pitti very well thanks.. and you?
[09:22] <pitti> fine, thanks
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> :)
[09:23] <Neil3> Tsjoklat, not for me ;) I'm going to be doing a clean install of hoary
[09:23] <rose> #Mandrake
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, wise decision :)
[09:23] <Neil3> i always do it that way when a new version of the distro comes out
[09:23] <Neil3> just copy the home dir and boom
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> yes Neil3 but not many people know the dangers of using the backports rep.. should be a warning of some sort from Ubuntu's side I think
[09:24] <Neil3> ah
[09:24] <Neil3> those dangers are only concerned with upgrading to hoary though?
[09:24] <membreya> lol did a convert on my windows drive to make it FAT32...now it reads as only 24gb :|
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, yes for as far I know of...
[09:25] <Neil3> ok
[09:25] <Neil3> because they seem to be fine in terms of how they are working and stability
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, they work fine.. for warty but when one wants to upgrade to Hoary is when you can stumble on problems... I also find that upgrading from warty is not a very good process
[09:26] <Neil3> hit and miss with any distro as far as i can tell
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> for some odd reason a dist-upgrade does not install ubuntu-base nor ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <Neil3> from my experience with fedora i just see a lot of people having problems in the forums with it
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> which is in my opinion essential
[09:27] <Neil3> hmm
[09:27] <Neil3> well
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> I tried four upgrades.. neither one did that.. had to do it manually.. luckily I know what to install but many don't.. I really hope Ubuntu picks up on this
[09:27] <Neil3> that might be because someone would have modified their install and removed some packages in that group
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, no two of the machines were clean warty installs with nothing added/changed with a dist-upgrade
[09:28] <Neil3> i'm sure they will address it, after all, hoary is beta :)
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, I know it is beta but nothing is mentioned on the wike/forums about it when they talk about upgrading from warty to hoary.. a big mis
[09:29] <Neil3> ah
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> but Hoary have been behaving good :)
[09:30] <mebaran151> my Hoary wont let my ALSA work
[09:30] <mebaran151> Array 4 AMD64
[09:30] <mebaran151> it fixed Evolution
[09:30] <mebaran151> but killed ALSA
[09:30] <mebaran151> I dont have any luck
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> my alsa config has vanished on hoary mebaran151
[09:30] <mebaran151> alsa config?
[09:30] <mebaran151> do you get sound
[09:30] <mebaran151> ?
[09:31] <Neil3> i had interesting alsa things going on in warty but thats more to do with the crappy ac97 on board sound i have
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> yes mebaran151 the file that comes with alsa-utils.. it is still on the rig but can't be called with alsaconf
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> mebaran151, I do have sound... apparently you have to get polyaudio.. it is something that Ubu is going/is using right now
[09:31] <Neil3> oh yes
[09:31] <Neil3> polypaudio
[09:31] <Neil3> its a replacement for esd
[09:32] <Neil3> as esd completely sucks
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> not very clear for me... ppl say they get it when they do hoary but again, from warty to hoary it doesn't happen.. or it didn't for me
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> so far the only snag has been libgnome2-perl
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> for me
[09:32] <Xappe> ok now I have a question. I want to mount an .iso somewhere without having root access...what should I do to make this happen? mount -o loop isofile mountpoint give an mount: only root can do that
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> Xappe, ubuntuguide.org
[09:33] <mebaran151> I put on polypaudio
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> Xappe, is explained there
[09:33] <mebaran151> how do I configure it then
[09:33] <Xappe> Tsjoklat, ok
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> mebaran151, you might want to see if something is posted on the wiki/forum.. I haven't touched it myself yet
[09:34] <mebaran151> I dont think that is the problem though
[09:34] <mebaran151> I did a little experiment
[09:35] <mebaran151> on an older install where i totally destroyed alsa by hand
[09:35] <mebaran151> OSS works fine
[09:35] <mebaran151> it seems the alsamixer wont raise the volume right
[09:35] <Xappe> Tsjoklat, hmm, no? the guide mount with root access (sudo)
[09:35] <mebaran151> how do I search the wiki
[09:35] <lifeless> fabbione: ping
[09:36] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  there is a search box at the top of the page
[09:36] <Tsjoklat> Xappe, it is in the guide..
[09:36] <fabbione> lifeless: pong
[09:36] <lifeless> fabbione: I'm trying to build a custom kernel with fuse as a module..
[09:37] <lifeless> on boot, it fails to mount the root fs.
[09:37] <mebaran151> eyeque
[09:37] <mebaran151> haha
[09:37] <mebaran151> I am so stupid
[09:37] <FourFingeredFred> heyyoo
[09:37] <fabbione> lifeless: your initrd is not good
[09:37] <lifeless> fabbione: who is now ?
[09:37] <alka_trash> sorry to interrupt but check out this deal! http://www.buy.com//retail/product.asp?sku=10360126&dcaid=1688
[09:37] <fabbione> lifeless: did you do a custom config?
[09:37] <lifeless> fabbione: well, it looked good to me, I was thinking a missing cramfs patch.
[09:37] <fabbione> lifeless: or even better.. why don't you just build the fuse module?
[09:37] <alka_trash> not too shabby
[09:37] <lifeless> copied the 2.6.10-2-686 config to .config
[09:38] <lifeless> the fuse module, fails to load when built standalone
[09:38] <fabbione> lifeless: with what error?
[09:38] <fabbione> lifeless: btw we are up to 2.6.10-3-686
[09:39] <lifeless> fabbione: I'll update and try with -3-
[09:39] <fabbione> lifeless: if you can tell the source where you grab the fuse stuff i can check it for you
[09:39] <mebaran151> nothing there
[09:39] <lifeless> fabbione: aptitude install fuse-source
[09:39] <lifeless> fabbione: and thanks!
[09:40] <lifeless> btw, who is the maintainer I should be asking ? (I've done plenty of make-kpkg kernels before, this was mystifying me, which is why I'm seeking help :"))
[09:41] <mebaran151> anybody ele having ALSA problems
[09:42] <fabbione> *** Warning: "vfs_permission" [/usr/src/wartydevel/kernel/misc/modules/fuse/kernel/fuse.ko]  undefined!
[09:42] <fabbione> lifeless: this is the problem
[09:42] <fabbione> the maintainers are lamont, zul, T-bone + others.. as in the wiki pages
[09:42] <lifeless> ok.
[09:43] <lifeless> so, lamont - any chance of getting fuse in our standard kernel? I hear its in the mm tree...
[09:43] <fabbione> lifeless: the module will fail even if compiled in
[09:43] <fabbione> it's a missing symbol
[09:43] <fabbione> but i am checking if it is easy to patch
[09:44] <tweek_> is there a default place for .run files to extract and isntall?
[09:44] <tweek_> install*
[09:44] <eyequeue> tweek_:  ls /var/run/
[09:45] <tweek_> ok
[09:45] <tweek_> thankyou
[09:45] <tweek_> is there a must read section so i dont have to come and bother everyone?
[09:46] <zenrox> ya www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:46] <tweek_> ok
[09:46] <eyequeue> tweek_:  first, is that what you needed?  and for your second question, see the /topic for some urls
[09:47] <tweek_> no i dont think so,i needed to find out hwere it extracted to to run it etc.
[09:47] <zenrox> first off what was the run file
[09:47] <eyequeue> tweek_:  what is it you want to run?
[09:47] <tweek_> postal2_demo.run
[09:48] <zenrox> it saved it at /usr/local/games
[09:48] <eyequeue> tweek_:  'file postal2_demo.run' and tell us the output
[09:48] <tweek_> in #flood
[09:48] <zenrox> yes
[09:48] <tweek_> one sec
[09:49] <tweek_> @zenrox it isnt in /usr/local/games :(
[09:49] <zenrox> dija run in as your user or root
[09:49] <eyequeue> tweek_:  '/usr/bin/al2_demo.run' and tell us the output
[09:50] <eyequeue> eek
[09:50] <tweek_> k
[09:50] <eyequeue> tweek_:  '/usr/bin/file postal2_demo.run' and tell us the output
[09:50] <eyequeue> "what is this thing?"
[09:51] <FourFingeredFred> anyone know how to set up wireless with ndiswrapper?
[09:51] <zenrox> FourFingeredFred,  look in the wiki section on ubuntu's webpage
[09:51] <tweek_> postal2_demo.run: Bourne shell script text executable
[09:52] <zenrox> tweek_,  and you run it like ./postal2_demo.run
[09:52] <FourFingeredFred> i have checked that out but im still not getting it to work
[09:52] <eyequeue> tweek_:  if you trust it, then: "sh ./postal2_demo.run"
[09:52] <tweek_> well i know how torun that file, but i dont know how to play it once it starts
[09:53] <tweek_> i have no clue where to start it from
[09:53] <zenrox> if you ran it as root then its in /usr/local/bin
[09:53] <eyequeue> i would not recommend running as root
[09:53] <zenrox> if you ran in as your user then its in /home/your_user_name/bin
[09:54] <tweek_> ok
[09:54] <tweek_> i think when i learn more linux :)
[09:54] <tweek_> im going to make stfulinux for the nub <3
[09:54] <qbert128> Does anyone know if Ubuntu amd64 is supposed to support Radeon Xpress 200 integrated gfx chip?
[09:56] <Fordfan753> hi everyone...id like a little help if possible
[09:56] <tweek_>  /usr/local/bin and /home/tweek/bin do not have anything related to postal2
[09:56] <tweek_> actualy /home/tweek/bin isnt there
[09:57] <Fordfan753> i just compiled latest version of fluxbox from source...but gdm doesnt load it as a session option on login..any ideas?
[09:57] <eyequeue> tweek_:  if you like, 'mkdir /home/tweek/bin && sh ./postal2_demo.bin'
[09:57] <tweek_> ok
[09:58] <eyequeue> tweek_:  if you like, 'mkdir /home/tweek/bin && sh ./postal2_demo.run' rather
[09:59] <tweek_> ok, "./postal2_demo.run" does this search for and execute anything named postal2_demo.run?
[09:59] <eyequeue> but do read throuigh this script to be sure you trust it before blindly running it
[09:59] <tweek_> i trust it,its a demo for a game
[10:00] <Agrajag> no, ./postal2_demo.run runs a program in the current directory with that name, if and only if it has executable permissions set
[10:00] <eyequeue> tweek_:  'sh ./postal2_demo.run" means "run the shell at /bin/sh on the file in the current directory named postal2_demo.run"
[10:00] <tweek_> ok.
[10:01] <tweek_> i really wish it came with a readme :(
[10:01] <tweek_> im posting output in #flood
[10:01] <eyequeue> i think they presume you will read the script with any text file viewer, such as "less postal2_demo.run" (it's only a shell script, so it's plain text)
[10:02] <eyequeue> join #flood
[10:02] <tweek_> plain text as in source?
[10:02] <Shookaa> www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree
[10:02] <eyequeue> it's a bash script, it's just letters and numbers and whitspace, basically
[10:02] <tweek_> ah
[10:04] <eyequeue> does it do what you expect?
[10:04] <tweek_> i dont know what to expect,im guessing its the equall to a installer for windows
[10:05] <Fordfan753> does anyone use or know how to configure fluxbox so it works through gdm?
[10:05] <eyequeue> i have no experience with installers for windows, sorry
[10:05] <tweek_> argh =(
[10:05] <fabbione> lifeless: around?
[10:06] <lifeless> yes
[10:06] <tweek_> eyequeue: im hopeing it will put the files needed for me to play postal2 in the correct spots
[10:06] <fabbione> lifeless: the kernel is ok. the fuse code is old. this patch will make it compile and load properly: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/fuse.diff
[10:06] <tweek_> but im guessing it wont
[10:06] <eyequeue> just be careful you're not executing something you don't understand, some trojan
[10:06] <fabbione> lifeless: but i need you to test if it will work properly afterwards
[10:07] <lifeless> fabbione: you rock. I"ll play with it tongiht I hope.
[10:07] <eyequeue> that's why i was ecouraging you to rea the script before running it
[10:07] <tweek_> ok il read it
[10:07] <fabbione> lifeless: ok
[10:09] <lifeless> (here in London on a sprint... busy :))
[10:09] <fabbione> lifeless: ENOPROB
[10:09] <fabbione> i just want to know if it works
[10:09] <fabbione> so that i can upload the fixed code
[10:12] <Tsjoklat> sprinting in London is highly dangerous
[10:12] <eyequeue> all the surveillance cameras?
[10:13] <lifeless> ok.
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> night all.. be good
[10:17] <Adrenal> is it possible to get ubuntu on an xbox?
[10:17] <sanmarcos> Adrenal: with work, yes, but why?
[10:17] <Adrenal> friend was wondering
[10:17] <Adrenal> computer person myself
[10:18] <Adrenal> but its either this or debian, or fedora, gentoo or stuff
[10:18] <Adrenal> i'm recommending this cos of the nice userbase(yes, i mean you guys) and ease of use
[10:20] <sanmarcos> still, if you want ease of use, you wouldnt try to install linux on an xbox
[10:20] <sanmarcos> see the linux on the xbox project
[10:22] <Adrenal> i know, not easy
[10:22] <Adrenal> he's prob getting a new comp anyway
[10:22] <Adrenal> just wanted to know if it could be done
[10:22] <sanmarcos> I run Ubuntu on a P3 500 with 190 ram, and 11 gb hard disk perfectly
[10:22] <sanmarcos> it works amazing
[10:23] <sanmarcos> ly
[10:23] <Adrenal> yeh, pretty lite, espiecally with xfce
[10:23] <sanmarcos> nope, I use gnome
[10:23] <sanmarcos> and it works fine
[10:23] <sanmarcos> that is my server
[10:24] <sanmarcos> I run debian sid on my box
[10:24] <Adrenal> awesomerific
[10:24] <sanmarcos> gnome applets are a memory hog..
[10:24] <Adrenal> yeh
[10:24] <Adrenal> panel is fair big, but worth it
[10:26] <blackomegax> does anyone have a CLUE how to get the ipw2200 1.0.1 drivers up and running?
[10:26] <blackomegax> they refuse to build at all
[10:26] <Adrenal> no, we've been researching but...its not pretty
[10:27] <Adrenal> lost 5 men already
[10:27] <Adrenal> BUT DAMMITALL IF WE WANT GET THEM INSTALLED
[10:27] <sanmarcos> I did that long ago on a friends laptop
[10:27] <blackomegax> is there a trick to using "make"?
[10:28] <sanmarcos> what error are you getitng?
[10:28] <eyequeue> blackomegax:  if you edit the Makefile, the leading whitespace on a line has to be a tab, not spaces
[10:29] <blackomegax>  # make
[10:29] <blackomegax> make -C /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/blackomegax/Desktop/ipw2200-1.0.1 MODVERDIR=/home/blackomegax/Desktop/ipw2200-1.0.1 modules
[10:29] <blackomegax> make[1] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build'
[10:29] <blackomegax> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[10:29] <blackomegax> make[1] : Leaving directory `/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build'
[10:29] <eyequeue> that's the only trick i can think of
[10:29] <blackomegax> make: *** [modules]  Error 2
[10:32] <tezza> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000) <-- anyway to fix this?
[10:33] <eyequeue> do you trust it suid root?
[10:33] <FourFingeredFred> when i do ndiswrapper -l i get: net8180 invalid driver! although ive tried both the driver from the cd and the driver off the ndiswrapper listing
[10:34] <blackomegax> is there an easy way to upgrade to hoary?
[10:35] <eyequeue> tezza:  if so, sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt (or whatever the path is for it)
[10:35] <randabis> define "easy"
[10:35] <pybe> blackomegax: change all refs to warty in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[10:36] <blackomegax> and then run apt-get?
[10:36] <pybe> blackomegax: then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:36] <blackomegax> wont dist-upgrade break it?
[10:36] <pybe> blackomegax: worked for me
[10:36] <blackomegax> is hoary stable as is?
[10:36] <eyequeue> and then wait for april before running that command, hoping the bugs will be ironed out by then :)
[10:36] <[sys] > you need dist-upgrade when upgrading to a new distribution
[10:36] <randabis> define "stable"
[10:36] <blackomegax> stable as in winxp stable ;)
[10:37] <eyequeue> blackomegax:  many have complained just tonight even about how rocky the upgrade path is
[10:37] <[sys] > randabis: define "define"
[10:37] <randabis> uhh...
[10:37] <pybe> blackomegax: if you want a stable system wait until its released
[10:37] <randabis> I wouldn't call xp stable lol
[10:37] <pybe> blackomegax: but it works really well for me
[10:37] <blackomegax> xp isnt stable..thats what i mean
[10:37] <pybe> blackomegax: but you will need to update alot to get the fixes as they are released
[10:37] <blackomegax> as long as it works generally well with a few minor quirks that will be patched out
[10:38] <randabis> [sys] ,  To state the precise meaning of (a word or sense of a word, for example).
[10:38] <eyequeue> stable means unchanging
[10:38] <randabis> right
[10:38] <blackomegax> i mean it by uncrashing :)
[10:38] <Jelte> hi there... i'm installing Ubuntu next to winxp, but during the base install it fails on telnet...  console 3 shows "No matching physical volumes found"  then some write errors.. anybody seen this before? I've installed ubuntu fine before, but then on the primary partition, not the second one...
[10:38] <randabis> blackomegax, then hoary is stable
[10:39] <ferris> jelte, install debian
[10:39] <randabis> in eyequeue's defiinition, hoary is unstable
[10:39] <Jelte> ferris, uh... but i quite like ubuntu ;-)
[10:39] <blackomegax> yeah. i dont really care about constant patches as long as its up to date on the software end
[10:39] <eyequeue> in that it is not suitable for housing horses ;)
[10:39] <randabis> :p
[10:40] <pybe> blackomegax: are you looking for an item specificaly?
[10:40] <ferris> jelte, i was running it... but it was really slow ..... debian is way faster.... (not that ubuntu is bad, it is quite nice)
[10:40] <blackomegax> just better support for my laptop's wireless (ipw2200)
[10:41] <Jelte> does ubuntu allow for a network install?
[10:41] <Jelte> rather than from cd?
[10:41] <pybe> Jelte: yes
[10:41] <Jelte> pybe: how do i do that?
[10:41] <eyequeue> i wonder if blackomegax is actually interesting in backports.ubuntuforums.org ?
[10:41] <pybe> Jelte: get the netinstall kernel and boot it
[10:41] <blackomegax> hmm?
[10:41] <eyequeue> s/ing/ed/
[10:42] <tuppa_> hrm
[10:42] <eyequeue> blackomegax:  pacakges backported from hoary, but compatible with warty
[10:42] <tuppa_> it is possible to run every X programs with 75dpi fonts?
[10:42] <blackomegax> cool. ill look at it
[10:42] <tuppa_> apart from changing it in GNOME?
[10:42] <Jelte> pybe: thanks... should i be able to find a netinstall kernel image on ubuntu's site?
[10:43] <pybe> Jelte: trying to find where I got it from
[10:44] <[sys] > randabis: makin joke
[10:44] <[sys] > is the universe-repository safe to use? I know it's not supported, but is it stable?
[10:44] <ferris> jelte, the biggest reason i left ubuntu, is that it would not run gnomesword.... so i wonder what other progs it will not run
[10:44] <randabis> most things in universe work fine
[10:44] <ferris> sys, i used it when i ran ubuntu
[10:45] <Jelte> ferris: well i used ubuntu for quite some time without problems.. loved it... only reason i have to re-install it, was XP needed to go on the first partition
[10:45] <pybe> Jelte: I think I might gave got it off the cd
[10:45] <randabis> that are only nonsupported because they don't receive the security updates that are received by packages in supported repos
[10:45] <Jelte> pybe: how d'you do that? ;-)
[10:46] <ferris> jelte, i would have liked to have kept it, but it would not run some of the progs that i needed, but Debian runs them easily
[10:46] <ferris> over all Ubuntu is great
[10:46] <ferris> (I have a couple hundred cds, to give out)
[10:46] <Jelte> ferris, i see
[10:47] <randabis> ...
[10:47] <randabis> why did you order that many cds...
[10:48] <pybe> Jelte: I cant even find my cd now....
[10:48] <eyequeue> order? or burn perhaps?
[10:48] <FourFingeredFred> when i do ndiswrapper -l i get: net8180 invalid driver! although ive tried both the driver from the cd and the driver off the ndiswrapper listing
[10:48] <ferris> let's just say me and M$ just don't get along  :^}
[10:48] <Jelte> pybe: hehe... but did you end up with a debian system, or ubuntu?
[10:48] <randabis> that's not the point
[10:48] <pybe> Jelte: Ubuntu
[10:48] <Jelte> pybe: hmm interesting
[10:49] <ferris> i am using Debian
[10:49] <randabis> there are people out there that are struggling to get their ubuntu cds because of people ordering 200 cds for no good reason
[10:49] <ferris> I have a very good reason...
[10:49] <randabis> "I hate ms" is not a good reason
[10:49] <pybe> Jelte: I have no cd rom in my laptop so I ended up booting the net install kernel from my existing Fedora grub and it installed a full warty system
[10:50] <ferris> that is not the reason...
[10:50] <Jelte> pybe... dont s'pose you have a wee bit more detail on how to achieve that? ;-)
[10:50] <eyequeue> if i didn't have good connectivity, i'd order one set, then use it to burn many evangelical cpoies from
[10:51] <randabis> unless you are a distributor, I don't see any reason for needing that many cds
[10:51] <Amaranth> 200 is a bit much
[10:51] <eyequeue> i used to do isntallfests, it's handy to give them to cd to take home afterward
[10:52] <Amaranth> i ordered 25 to hand out to people at the local LUG. 15 x86, 5 ppc, 5 AMD64
[10:52] <randabis> that's acceptable
[10:52] <eyequeue> but i haven't done installfests since ubuntu though
[10:52] <randabis> 200 is wasteful and costs others to have to wait for their cds longer because you're hogging them all
[10:52] <pybe> Jelte: I got the net install kernel (still trying to find where), booted my existing fedora install on the laptop. manualy edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to have an entry for the ubuntu net install kernel I had downloaded, rebooted and away whent the net install
[10:52] <Amaranth> i wish i'd gotten one of those display boxes though :)
[10:53] <id_ID> everybody, any body help me ??
[10:53] <id_ID> i have download some site with wget
[10:54] <Jelte> pybe: ah, the netinstall kernel will continue to install once its booted?
[10:54] <id_ID> how to continue wget without start from beginning...??
[10:54] <pybe> Jelte: ?
[10:54] <ferris> randabis, i am distributing them
[10:55] <randabis> ferris, obviously not very well if you still have hundreds laying around
[10:55] <ferris> randabis, i recieved the shipment not long ago
[10:55] <Amaranth> Jelte: basically it'll install a minimal system (how it works with debian) but from there you can run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to get all the ubuntu goodness setup for you
[10:56] <Jelte> pybe, never mind; i'm babbling ;-)   if you find out where that netinstall was that would be good... in the mean time it looks like a problem others have as well:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10423&page=2&pp=10
[10:57] <randabis> in what method are you distributing? are you setting up a shop or something? If you truly have a legitimate use for 200 cds that's perfectly fine by me. I just know of quite a few people out there that did the same thing for no good reason
[10:57] <ferris> oh, yeah, that sux. ... I have a shop
[10:57] <fsc> wxPython is looking great in Hoary...finally gtk+2.x..woot
[10:57] <randabis> okay then :)
[10:57] <randabis> sorry for wringing your neck
[10:57] <ferris> i am going to distribute off of my site as well
[10:57] <ferris> lol
[10:57] <ferris> np
[10:58] <ferris> i totally hear you
[10:59] <pybe> Jelte: so you have an existing linux install?
[11:00] <pybe> Jelte: here you go found it ftp://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[11:02] <Jelte> pybe: excellent, thanks... no i dont have an existing linux install at the moment ;-(   i only have winxp on the first partition, and trying to get ubuntu on the second
[11:02] <spinifex> how do I swap window managers without completely restarting?
[11:02] <pybe> spinifex: log out
[11:02] <randabis> log out, click session, choose your destiny
[11:14] <Jelte> pybe: looks like i might have fixed the install problem....  using just one partition and making sure the ubuntu installer formats that partition prior to install seems to work (fingers crossed, just at 60% now)
[11:15] <pybe> Jelte: great
[11:15] <Jelte> if it works, i'll post up a (nother) reply to that thread... think ubuntu might want to change the error message, as it seems wrong (suggesting the cd is at fault)
[11:17] <Jelte> yep, that fixed it... going to redo it now putting /home on another partition, but thanks for the link to the netinstall
[11:24] <Jelte> see ya later
[11:25] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[11:31] <johns_> *hehe* one of my windows lusers tried ubuntu and wants it at home ;)
[11:47] <vanston> hello, I would like to know how I can build my own ubuntu live CD. Is there an howto somewhere?
[11:49] <Jimbob> vanston: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[11:49] <CaRiBoO> use jigdo it's easy
[11:49] <jdub> jigdo is unrelated to livecd building
[11:50] <CaRiBoO> oh sorry, I read CD, not liveCD ...
[12:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hello
[12:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what website can i have a look to see if my laptop i supported
[12:08] <funto> hi people...
[12:13] <odyssey> hello funto
[12:13] <funto> hello
[12:14] <funto> 'va bien?
[12:14] <funto> oups
[12:14] <funto> sorry I thought it was french
[12:15] <funto> does someone know how I could update my Firefox to 1.0 thanks to apt-get or Synaptic?
[12:15] <funto> (under Ubuntu of course )
[12:15] <odyssey> funto, you are using warty?
[12:15] <siimo> funto: check warty-backports
[12:17] <funto> yep Warty
[12:17] <funto> because Hoary doesn't want to install (it fails when it tries to install GRUB)
[12:18] <siimo> funto: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:19] <funto> thx I look at that :)
[12:20] <Kuril> I had similar issues with Hoary.  I ended up using Knoppix, mounting the hoary root partition, and running grub manually.
[12:20] <Kuril> With the same options, no less, besides telling it where the images are...
[12:20] <Kuril> beats me.
[12:23] <funto> yep but I don't know how to run GRUB manually from Knoppix ^
[12:23] <Xappe> funto, if you already have warty and WANT to run Hoary, why not dist-upgrade
[12:23] <Xappe> ?
[12:23] <funto> but when Hoary is out, I will be able to update my Warty to this non?
[12:24] <AndyFitz> any hoary / ipod users here  ?
[12:25] <nicolai_> hey.. wich games are good and free for ubuntu ?
[12:25] <AndyFitz> I just got one and I'm wondering what is the best way to set this up
[12:25] <AndyFitz> nicolai,    foobilliard,  abuse, crack-attack
[12:26] <nicolai_> are they in 3d ?
[12:26] <nicolai_> i have tried tuxracer and neverball
[12:26] <AndyFitz> yeah but abuse isnt
[12:26] <funto> foobillard
[12:26] <AndyFitz> and yeah neverball is sweet
[12:27] <odyssey> AndyFitz, yes ipod
[12:27] <nicolai_> okay i will try those
[12:27] <nicolai_> thx
[12:27] <funto> but you need to install the nVidia drivers if you have an nVidia card first
[12:27] <AndyFitz> odyssey,  how did you set it up.  I keep getting errors with gtkpod
[12:27] <funto> otherwise you won't have hardware acceleration
[12:28] <AndyFitz> I've already run and updated it on a mates windows machine with itunes.
[12:30] <odyssey> AndyFitz, hal automounts it all you have to do is change the mount point in the prefrences to what is mounted as.
[12:31] <odyssey> AndyFitz, if you put music on using gtkpod dont plug it into itunes again, apparently it deletes all the songs that it didnt put on
[12:32] <AndyFitz> odyssey, yeah I've heard.  theres no risk ill be going near itunes :)
[12:32] <AndyFitz> odyssey,  I can see it in the hal device manager.  but not where it is mounted... its not in /media  or /mnt
[12:34] <odyssey> is there an icon of it on your desktop?
[12:34] <AndyFitz> odyssey,  nope  I'm using hoary btw
[12:35] <loxodonta> Can anyone help me with getting an audio composer of some kind?
[12:36] <AndyFitz> loxodonta,  rosegarden4  and soundtracker are good
[12:36] <loxodonta> Thanks a lot, I'll check them out :)
[12:37] <AndyFitz> make sure its rosegarden4 .. the earlier versions  arent quite good at all
[12:37] <loxodonta> Will do
[12:38] <odyssey> hmmm i just plugged it in and hal automounts.. im using warty though.
[12:38] <scoon> odyssey, iPod ?
[12:38] <bborkk> I'm running Hoary and everything seems to be working fine except that movies don't play with sound.  When I was running Warty, this wasn't a problem.  Any suggestions?
[12:38] <pepsi> why does gksudo lock up X when its asking for a password?  if you accidently do something that makes multiple instances of gksudo start up, after cancelling one of the password windows, the screen doesnt refresh because another gksudo is asking for a password, but you cant really tell since its just an undrawn space on the screen
[12:39] <pepsi> so it makes it look like you're screwed
[12:39] <odyssey> scoon, yes
[12:55] <CaRiBoO> I all !
[12:57] <CaRiBoO> There is new to mirroir French ubuntu:  ftp://ftp.oleane.net/pub/ubuntu
[12:57] <IRCMonkey_> can any one help? i want to install my modem D-link dfm-560e. where can i find a driver for it?
[01:00] <minghua> I just got the mail about Ubuntu love day
[01:00] <Guybrush|Numb> ?
[01:01] <minghua> but where is this supposed to happen?  Is there a IRC channel or something?
[01:01] <minghua> Guybrush: a mail sent to ubuntu-announce
[01:01] <jdub> minghua: see the second email
[01:01] <Guybrush|Numb> minghua: thanks, i should subscribe :)
[01:02] <ups> jdub: forgot to mention freenode?
[01:02] <IRCMonkey_> Help me please! iwant to find the driver for D-link dfm 560e.
[01:02] <minghua> jdub: so you spent too much time on poems. :-)  Thanks.
[01:02] <jdub> ups: oh well :)
[01:02] <ups> :)
[01:02] <ups> jdub: you're overwhelmed with love ;)
[01:03] <funto> re
[01:04] <funto> does somebody know how to mount FAT32 partitions under Ubuntu?
[01:04] <pybe> mount -t vfat /dev/blah /mnt/blah
[01:04] <minghua> funto: sudo mount -t fat <partition> <mount-point>
[01:04] <funto> mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel
[01:05] <funto> mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel
[01:05] <pybe> heh
[01:05] <minghua> funto: for more options read the man page of mount
[01:05] <minghua> hmm
[01:05] <ups> funto: use vfat ;)
[01:05] <funto> I try vfat
[01:05] <funto> hmm
[01:05] <funto> curious
[01:05] <funto> when I put vfat, mount accepts
[01:05] <funto> no error message
[01:06] <minghua> funto: my bad, should be vfat
[01:06] <pybe> thats because vfat = fat32 fat = fat16
[01:06] <funto> but when I browse the new directory, the files and the folders are the same
[01:07] <minghua> pybe: I think fat16 is msdos not fat
[01:07] <pybe> whatever vfat = fat32
[01:07] <funto> ok
[01:07] <funto> should I recompile the kernel (:S) ?
[01:08] <minghua> funto: what do you mean by ``the same''?  same icon?
[01:08] <pybe> IIRC you souldnt even need to tell mount the fstype it should be able to work it out itself
[01:08] <funto> same icons yes
[01:08] <funto> they all are considered as files
[01:08] <funto> even the folders
[01:08] <funto> and the type is unknown
[01:08] <pybe> funto: thats a rights issue
[01:08] <minghua> ah, i think i see
[01:08] <minghua> try mount -t vfat -o uid=<your-username>
[01:09] <funto> ok
[01:09] <funto> I run this as funto or as root?
[01:09] <minghua> umount it first
[01:09] <minghua> run as sudo
[01:09] <funto> ok
[01:09] <id_ID> quit
[01:09] <minghua> sudo mount -t vfat -u uid=funto <partition> <mount-point>
[01:10] <funto> it tells me that the option -u is invalid :(
[01:11] <funto> should I upgrade my mount?
[01:12] <minghua> ah, typo again
[01:12] <minghua> should be -o
[01:12] <minghua> for option.  Sorry
[01:13] <funto> ok
[01:14] <funto> doesn't work either :(
[01:14] <funto> it just prints me the usage
[01:15] <pybe> funto: paste the exact line you typed here
[01:15] <lupusBE> what library in gnome will read the .desktop files?
[01:15] <lupusBE> what is in them I mean
[01:15] <funto> funto@home:~ $ sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=funto
[01:15] <pybe> funto: what about the device and mount point?
[01:16] <pybe> sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=funto /dev/???? /mnt/????
[01:16] <funto> .....
[01:16] <funto> I'm stupid
[01:16] <funto> :D
[01:16] <funto> sorry
[01:17] <funto> yeaaaaah
[01:17] <funto> works
[01:17] <funto> thanks a lot :):)
[01:18] <funto> but I still haven't really understood...
[01:18] <funto> the uid is the person I mount the disk for?
[01:19] <minghua> funto: the problem is that fat32 doesn't really have a permission system
[01:19] <minghua> the filesystem doesn't have a concept of ``owner''
[01:19] <pybe> "sudo mount" tells it to run mount as root "-t vfat" tells mount the partition is going to be fat32 "-o uid=funto" tells mount to set funto as the owner "/dev/????" device to mount "/mnt/????" where to mount the device
[01:20] <minghua> so when you mount it, the owner is the one who mount it by default
[01:20] <funto> okay :)
[01:20] <funto> thx
[01:20] <minghua> and since you use ``sudo'', it belong to root
[01:21] <minghua> if you need to let other users use it, you should use the umask= option
[01:21] <minghua> or dmask= and fmask=
[01:21] <minghua> as I said, read the man page of mount, very useful
[01:22] <netdur> I'm trying to remove OOo, it says will remove ubuntu-desktop too, it is safe to remove?
[01:23] <pybe> netdur: yes its just a meta package
[01:23] <netdur> pybe: thanks
[01:24] <funto> hmm...now if I want to create an icon in "My Computer"
[01:24] <funto> which represent my /dev/sda1
[01:24] <funto> how can I do that?
[01:24] <funto> (and for it to be mounted at the beginning of the system)
[01:24] <netdur> funto: add user to moute options
[01:25] <netdur> mount*
[01:25] <minghua> funto: to mount it at boot, add a line in /etc/fstab
[01:25] <funto> ok
[01:26] <funto> netdur: what do you mean by adding a user?
[01:27] <netdur> funto: something like this should be fine "/dev/hdaX /mnt/hdaX auto user,auto,rw 0 0" where X put hd's partition number
[01:27] <minghua> funto: netdur is talking about -o user, which let a user to mount and umount a partition (don't need to be root)
[01:27] <funto> ok I see
[01:28] <funto> netdur >> instead of the 1st "auto" I should put "vfat" no?
[01:28] <funto> since my mount doesn't seem to be able to recognize the partition type...
[01:28] <netdur> yes, if you know what your filesystem is
[01:28] <funto> ok
[01:31] <funto> sorry for my high number of questions but...is it possible to write to an NTFS partition from Ubuntu?
[01:31] <Jimbob> funto: It's possible, but not at all recommended
[01:32] <Jimbob> funto: Linux can only write to existing files, and cannot expand the size of those files.
[01:32] <minghua> funto: I believe not with the default kernel
[01:32] <netdur> funto: mount it with option "ro" instead of "rw"
[01:33] <minghua> Jimbob: Is ubuntu kernel compiled with ntfs writing option?
[01:33] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start
[01:33] <minghua> I've never tried
[01:33] <funto> and "ro" means...?
[01:33] <minghua> read-only
[01:33] <netdur> read only
[01:33] <linuxgod> best free OS for servers atm ?
[01:33] <linuxgod> best free OS for servers atm ?
[01:33] <linuxgod> best free OS for servers atm ?
[01:33] <minghua> and rw for read & write
[01:33] <linuxgod> i need comments
[01:33] <linuxgod> ?
[01:33] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start
[01:34] <Jimbob> minghua: I'm not sure.
[01:34] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start.....HELP
[01:34] <minghua> vijay: please be more specific.  At boot? or you use ppp?
[01:34] <vijay> i use adls
[01:34] <vijay> pppoe
[01:34] <vijay> at boot
[01:35] <minghua> so it hang somewhere for a long time at boot?
[01:35] <vijay> i guess
[01:35] <vijay> sometimes i have to reboot
[01:35] <vijay> to make it work
[01:35] <minghua> hmm, then which step did it hang?
[01:35] <vijay> and sometimes i have to put my user anem and password again to activate it
[01:36] <vijay> otherwise the plog result shows login incorrect
[01:36] <minghua> i have no experience on adsl, but for my dial-up box, it hangs for a long time at sychronize time
[01:37] <vijay> there is some settings i knew before that clears the problem but cannpt remember now
[01:38] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start.....HELP
[01:39] <netdur> maybe it take time to upload microcode to modem
[01:39] <netdur> do you have speedtouch?
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> hey i updated to hoary! :))
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> however, how do i get original cursor theme ? this one sucks :(
[01:40] <pybe> linuxgod: debian
[01:40] <funto> if you use SpeedTouch perhaps that I could help you...i'm using it right now :)
[01:40] <linuxgod> pybe,
[01:41] <linuxgod> sure
[01:41] <linuxgod> ?
[01:42] <netdur> funto: I use speedtouch, it take long to upload microcode
[01:43] <pybe> linuxgod: yes
[01:43] <funto> bof...my internet connections starts up in about 30 seconds
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> how do i get original cursor theme of warty in hoary ? this one sucks :(
[01:43] <funto> even less
[01:44] <linuxgod> thanks pybe
[01:45] <oten> anyone where uses k3b to copy dvd's?
[01:46] <oten> i can't copy dvd 2 dvd, but ican burn files to a dvd normally
[01:49] <vanston> is the ubuntu livecd based on morphix?
[01:49] <funto> Ubuntu itself is based on Morphix
[01:49] <funto> But Ubuntu LiveCD....I don't know ^^
[01:49] <m3ta7h3ad> anyone else here noticed problems when upgrading to hoary hedgehog from warty?, specifically losing shortcuts in the gnome menus, and the ability to make short cuts.
[01:50] <netdur> LOL, Ubuntu is not based on Morphix
[01:50] <Cindux> based on debian *
[01:50] <m3ta7h3ad> ubuntu is based on debian afaik
[01:50] <Cindux> bla that idea didnt work lol ><
[01:50] <m3ta7h3ad> :)
[01:50] <Cindux> stupid question, how do I save files with nano?
[01:50] <Cindux> i just edited /etc/hostname*
[01:50] <Cindux> now i wanna save it
[01:50] <m3ta7h3ad> says down the bottom.. ctrl and a letter :)
[01:50] <vanston> Where are the sources for the livecd located?
[01:51] <Cindux> oh
[01:51] <Cindux> lol
[01:51] <funto> gn
[01:51] <Cindux> :(
[01:51] <m3ta7h3ad> ctrl O :)
[01:51] <funto> I've read that it was based on Morphix...
[01:51] <Cindux> control A + control O?
[01:51] <Cindux> or Control O ?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> funto, the live CD is based on Morphix
[01:51] <m3ta7h3ad> lol just ctrl + o
[01:51] <Cindux> ok ok jus making sure lol :P
[01:51] <Cindux> brb im gonna try it
[01:51] <m3ta7h3ad> if you exit it after making changes it will also ask you if you want to save :)
[01:51] <LinuxJones> funto, the hardware detection and stuff, used to be anyways
[01:52] <linuxgod> cya all
[01:52] <linuxgod> bye pybe
[01:52] <Cindux> oy g'bye
[01:52] <m3ta7h3ad> Grr @ this hoary thing.
[01:52] <Cindux> woah
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> how do i get original cursor theme of warty in hoary ? this one sucks :(
[01:52] <m3ta7h3ad> Damn thing removed all my shortcuts for xmms and other things I had installed.
[01:53] <Cindux> crap, i gotta get to school
[01:53] <Cindux> see everybody later
[01:53] <m3ta7h3ad> bye cindux
[01:53] <vanston> sources for the livecd ?
[01:54] <m3ta7h3ad> ah thats better I can actually see whats in my bitchx window now :)
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone got problems with marillat and gpg keys ?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/view?searchterm=apt%20gpg
[01:56] <m3ta7h3ad> is there any way of rolling back to warty?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: thanks.
[01:57] <m3ta7h3ad> just change the settings and do another apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> m3ta7h3ad: why would u want to do that ?
[01:57] <m3ta7h3ad> *sources not settings
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> that wont worj
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> work
[01:57] <m3ta7h3ad> well because hoary has removed my ability to create shortcuts in gnome.
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> coz apt-get wont get downgraded packages
[01:58] <m3ta7h3ad> and has also deleted/lost all the shortcuts I had previously.
[01:58] <LinuxJones> m3ta7h3ad, created a new user account...maybe something got messed up just within the gnome files for your user
[01:58] <m3ta7h3ad> i.e. lyx, xmms, bitchx.. all have to be opened using the terminal as there is no other way to open them :(
[01:58] <m3ta7h3ad> hmm shall try that jones :)
[01:59] <funto> ++
[02:01] <m3ta7h3ad> brb just logging out and back in.
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: i need to create a key pair as root or as any normal user ?
[02:02] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, root
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: damn!
[02:03] <m3ta7h3ad> nope, didnt work :( but I have to run and get ready for uni now :)
[02:03] <m3ta7h3ad> Thanks for the help anyways :)
[02:04] <zzyber> Hi! Does anyone know how to get scripting working in nautilus? I have done like http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NautilusScriptsHowto says but i cant get the script menu?
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: done. thanks a lot :)
[02:06] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, :>)
[02:09] <rj_> How to enable cd burning for ATAPI device (warty)
[02:09] <LinuxJones> rj_, that should be done automatically
[02:10] <rj_> true
[02:10] <rj_> it should
[02:10] <rj_> thats why i'm here
[02:10] <rj_> it hasnt :S
[02:11] <LinuxJones> rj_, ls -al /dev/cdrom
[02:12] <LinuxJones> rj_, that link pointing to anything ?
[02:12] <rj_> yeah to /dev/hdd
[02:13] <LinuxJones> rj_, nothing happens when you put in a cd ?
[02:14] <rj_> yeah it totally mounts everything
[02:14] <LinuxJones> rj_, but writing doesn't work ?
[02:14] <rj_> no
[02:15] <LinuxJones> rj_, what error comes up ?
[02:15] <rj_> something cdrecord
[02:15] <rj_> tells me to try and -scanbus
[02:15] <rj_> which in turn does nothing
[02:15] <ups> zzyber: did u make the scripts executable?
[02:15] <LinuxJones> rj_, what kernel are you running ?
[02:15] <rj_> warty
[02:15] <rj_> the one
[02:15] <zzyber> ups, yes
[02:16] <LinuxJones> rj_, have you upgraded your system using apt-get or synaptic ?
[02:16] <rj_> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[02:16] <rj_> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[02:16] <rj_> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[02:16] <rj_> no
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> how do i know if i am really running udev ?
[02:17] <LinuxJones> rj_, sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:17] <rj_> am..
[02:17] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, if your running Ubuntu your using udev
[02:17] <odyssey> da_bon_bon, ls /dev if there are thousands of entrys them you arent running udev
[02:17] <rj_> lol @ efficiency..
[02:18] <rj_> needs to get 133 MB of packages, after unpacking 184kb will be used
[02:18] <mjg59> rj_: cdrecord dev=/cdrom
[02:18] <LinuxJones> rj_, hopefully that 184 kb are fixes for your cd buringing :D
[02:18] <LinuxJones> err burning
[02:19] <rj_> even
[02:19] <rj_> yeah its getting some kernel stuff
[02:19] <ups> zzyber: which directory did u put the scripts in?
[02:19] <rj_> but at ~820KB/s i'm not complaining
[02:19] <ronalde> having sata disc errors like sense key medium error and I/O errors. should i run a bad black scan?
[02:19] <LinuxJones> rj_, I think you will be ok when the upgrade finishes
[02:19] <rj_> prolly
[02:20] <ompaul> ronalde, have you tried to fix the filesystem using standard tools?
[02:20] <rj_> hey what mjg59 said worked!
[02:20] <mjg59> With 2.6, you don't need to mess about with scanbus and ide-scsi and all that madness
[02:21] <rj_> ow no it didnt
[02:21] <zzyber> ups, i put them in ~/.gnome2/nautilus/nautilus-scripts/
[02:21] <rj_> but it got as far as counting down the 5 seconds
[02:21] <ups> zzyber: put them in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[02:21] <mjg59> rj_: What went wrong?
[02:21] <zzyber> ups, i ment  ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[02:22] <ups> hmm
[02:22] <ronalde> ompaul: yep, tried jfs_fsck a number of time, but each time during it gets timeout errors and the errors described before
[02:22] <rj_> scsidev: '/cdrom'
[02:22] <rj_> devname: '/cdrom'
[02:22] <rj_> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[02:22] <rj_> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[02:22] <rj_> cdrecord: Is a directory. Cannot open '/cdrom'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[02:22] <rj_> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[02:22] <ompaul> ronalde, sorry to repeat the obvious questions I was not here for that
[02:23] <mjg59> rj_: Do you know which device your burner is?
[02:23] <ompaul> ronalde, a little question to follow on from that - have you got your important data off to one side?
[02:23] <ronalde> ompaul: no
[02:23] <ompaul> ronalde, you have a live CD I take it
[02:24] <ronalde> ompaul: yes (knoppix and warty live)
[02:24] <ups> zzyber: try putting a script in ~/Nautilus
[02:24] <ups> and see if that works
[02:24] <ups> zzyber: (note the uppercase N)
[02:24] <ronalde> ompaul: i even have another warty running on another disc, so i can check everything
[02:24] <rj_> yeah its /dev/hdd aka /dev/cdrom big bad black 8xdual channel dvd +/- r(w) 40/24/40cdr(w)
[02:26] <ompaul> ronalde, so this nice little partition does not talk to jfs_fsck and you can't mount it - I wonder about fsck -y at boot time or booting it off a live CD and trying fsck -y /dev/you_name_it
[02:26] <ompaul> ronalde, I take it also that you have done df and it is not mounted
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: it does respond tot jfs_fsck but it hangs (timeouts) at a certain point
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: didn't dd?
[02:28] <Pinguvin> how do i change to audio output in xine?
[02:28] <zzyber> ups, not working either? Its strange! Where exact in the menus do i execute this scripts
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: didn't df?
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: ah disk free ;)
[02:28] <Pinguvin> how do i change the* audio output in xine?
[02:28] <ups> zzyber: it should appear under the File menu, and also on Right-clicking in Nautilus
[02:29] <ompaul> ronalde, that is the one - it will tell you if the partition had mounted all be it with faults
[02:29] <ups> zzyber: also, right click on the desktop should have a Scripts menu
[02:29] <ronalde> ompaul: i just mounted it manually and df returns correct numbers
[02:30] <ompaul> ronalde, running fsck on mounted systems is not a good idea(tm)
[02:30] <ronalde> ompaul: I know, I didn't ;)
[02:30] <ompaul> ronalde, this is as they say a good thing(tm) :-)
[02:30] <zzyber> ups, do i need a restart to get nautilus to understand that i have scripts in script folder?
[02:31] <ups> zzyber: no
[02:31] <ronalde> ompaul: it seems fine as long as there are no big disc transfers
[02:31] <ups> zzyber: it should appear instantly, it does here
[02:31] <ompaul> ronalde, how big?
[02:31] <zzyber> what version do you have?
[02:32] <ronalde> ompaul: like copying my home dir of 11GB
[02:32] <ompaul> to it ?
[02:32] <zzyber> ups, what version do you have? Mine is 2.9.91
[02:32] <ronalde> ompaul: from it (to my current running rescue disc)
[02:33] <ups> zzyber: same, 2.9.91
[02:34] <ompaul> ronalde, so do the following - create the subdirectories one at a time and cp them - do not use the mv command {but I reckon you already may be doing this_
[02:34] <ompaul> s/_/)/
[02:34] <ompaul> wrong bracket (doh)
[02:35] <ronalde> ompaul: i just told the bios to do no dma and now i'm trying to cp -av ...
[02:36] <tezza> is it ok to recompile a 2.6.11-rc4 kernel for ubuntu warty?
[02:36] <ompaul> ronalde, the fact that the disk is sata is strange for me - I have yet to see one of those disks die
[02:37] <ronalde> ompaul: it's a first for me too ;(
[02:37] <ronalde> ompaul: FYI it's connected to an intel D86PERL (libata)
[02:37] <rj_> so what does this mean.. ? "cdrecord: Device or resource busy. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[02:37] <manobes> tezza: It should be.  You can always boot the old kernel if it doesn't work
[02:38] <tezza> true
[02:38] <ronalde> ompaul: /D86PERL/D865PERL/
[02:39] <ompaul> ronalde, I think the words hmm must watch that combo
[02:39] <ompaul> ronalde, come to mind
[02:41] <ompaul> rj_ that could be you do not have permission or it is as it says the cdrom drive you are trying to right to is busy
[02:41] <rj_> guess i'll just go downstairs and have my pc canabalize my brothers 48xcdrw
[02:42] <[NikO] > hello
[02:42] <ompaul> nik0 hello to you too
[02:42] <rj_> ompaul i tried it as root, and the drive was *open*
[02:42] <rj_> though it gives the same error when idle, closed, mounted or whatever
[02:43] <[NikO] > could someone install ubuntu on a external drive ( usb )
[02:44] <[NikO] > i need to boot ubuntu on a external usb2 drive, and nothing on a internal drive
[02:44] <[NikO] > but after the kernel load, the kernel panic because he can't find the /dev/console
[02:45] <ronalde> ompaul: did you come to mind?
[02:46] <ompaul> ronalde, em I take it that english is not your first language (I should be more careful of what I type) those last two lines should have been on one line to read properly :-/
[02:46] <ronalde> ompaul: ;)
[02:47] <ompaul> nick0 some guys stripped ubuntu down to the bones and got that to happen beatrix is the distro afik but don't ask me cos I did not try to do that yet (must do one of these days but not today :))
[02:47] <ompaul> rj_, that is like some devices are not made
[02:48] <[NikO] > hum
[02:48] <ronalde> ompaul: thanks fot the attention, it's copying everything now. Do you know of any good (low-level) tools to check if the disk/controller are still OK?
[02:50] <ompaul> ronalde, what I tend to do is blank the partition (or better still the disk) and write new partitions to it - if I want to test the disk I then write /dev/zero > foo to the disk for huge files i.e. several gigs in size then I move them around if it all works then I am usually happy with the system
[02:51] <ronalde> ompaul: thanks, will go do that
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> apt downloads 2 files at once ?
[02:53] <ompaul> ronalde, for the hardware I would take out the hardrive and just do continious reboots for a few hours with the screen turned off - at the end of the boot sequesnce mount a floppy and move with the use of a script the data from /proc and dmesg to aother box and use grep for errors very cludgy but it works
[02:53] <ompaul> by the way they are soft reboots
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> why the hell is marillat stable not working ?!!
[02:58] <ronalde> ompaul: i suspect the (ICH5) sata-controller embedded on the board, so i don't get how your suggestion would test that part?
[02:59] <sigglet> http://cs.clark.edu/~clug/commands.htm  <-- has good vi command howto
[03:00] <ompaul> ronalde, it would not but it would push the board for some other error - to test the controller you would be looking at the large file generation several times including up to the full size of the disk
[03:01] <ompaul> ronalde, if it is all zeros i.e. grep -v 0 the file and wait for the reply
[03:01] <ompaul> ronalde, if you get one you are writing rubbish if not then it seems to be okay
[03:01] <ronalde> ompaul: ic, thnx
[03:02] <tezza> do i have to use an initrd to boot a 2.6.11-rc4 kernel with ubuntu?
[03:02] <ompaul> ronalde, the only other point I would make to you on this is that one time I thought I had an issue like that it was controller / drive
[03:02] <grirgz> plop !
[03:02] <ompaul> ronalde, I repartitioned the drives 2 years ago and I am still using them today on the same ide controller
[03:03] <ompaul> ronalde, both are 100G +
[03:03] <dutch> morning all
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> my my, apt takes up 90% of my bandwidth - so much so that even irc slows down - how do i make it use up less ?
[03:04] <ompaul> dutch, food afternoon
[03:04] <dutch> it's morning here :)
[03:05] <ompaul> dutch, you shocked me so much my f/g got mixed up - na it is 14:12 I'm tellin ya ;-)
[03:05] <dutch> what ever..I'm not hard to get alone with :)
[03:05] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, you don't unless you get into load balancing or UML or some such
[03:05] <ompaul> dutch, ;-)
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: i wouldnt want to :)
[03:07] <membreya> just curios, I currently have linux on a 10gb partition of 120gb harddrive.. I'm going to get a new 200gb harddrive next weekend and I want to know ..will it be easier to convert the entire existing drive to linux (delete windows partitions and resize linux) or can I just dump linux onto the new drive?
[03:09] <LinuxJones> membreya, It is easiest to backup your personal data then wipe everyting and do a fresh install
[03:09] <membreya> nooooooooo I've just gotten everything configured right..excepting tv-out :\
[03:09] <mariano> hi everybody
[03:09] <mariano> I hve problems starting pure-ftp
[03:09] <LinuxJones> membreya, you can backup the existing config files as well
[03:10] <mariano> it keeps saying the address is already in use
[03:10] <Pinguvin> how do i know if my computer is 32 or 64 bit?
[03:10] <mariano> same problem with proftp
[03:10] <mariano> how do I know if there's an applitacion in conflict with ftp servers?
[03:10] <krism> mariano : it sure sounds like an FTP server is already running
[03:10] <pybe> Pinguvin: what processor is in it?
[03:10] <Pinguvin> pybe: celeron 1.3
[03:10] <membreya> hah 32 :)
[03:10] <pybe> Pinguvin: its 32
[03:10] <mariano> krism: indeed, but I just don't have
[03:10] <Pinguvin> pybe: ok :)
[03:11] <Pinguvin> pybe: thanks
[03:11] <ompaul> membreya, well if you rephrased that as what would you advise I would suggest that you partition the disk a bit more into / /swap /usr /home /var /randomnames and then install hoary/warty/ and now for the real fun mount the *other* [old]  partition and copy the user data into the /home directory but not the config files and enjoy it
[03:11] <pybe> np
[03:11] <krism> mariano : dont have what?
[03:11] <mariano> another ftp server
[03:11] <membreya> hmmm ..more fun than windows..
[03:11] <krism> mariano : can you ftp to the box? may i port scan it for you?
[03:11] <mariano> sure, scan me
[03:11] <tezza> does ubuntu need an initrd image to boot?
[03:12] <membreya> oh and here's a hint for people..if you got a partition thats ntfs over 32gb..change cluster size to above 4k before you convert it to FAT32 ;)
[03:12] <ompaul> membreya, and taking into consideration your 'nooooooo' I would say you have the old configs and the new configs and you can manage that I imagine :)
[03:12] <membreya> just spent about 7 hours in windows *shudders*
[03:12] <krism> mariano : gimme a few, installing nmap on this box
[03:12] <mariano> sure
[03:12] <eruin> anyone know if coaster has audio burning support?
[03:12] <LinuxJones> tezza, if you compile all of your support into the kernel no
[03:12] <membreya> ompaul: i should be fine :) ... i can always come running and crying to this channel
[03:12] <membreya> nothing like throwing myself in the deep end with linux
[03:13] <cal_> Can Ubuntu manage files greater than 2GB under VFAT partitions?
[03:13] <tezza> LinuxJones: ok sweet
[03:14] <krism> mariano : i see something listening on 21
[03:14] <krism> (ftp port)
[03:14] <eruin> cal_: I don't have a problem with the dvd .iso of osX I have here
[03:14] <mariano> krism, sorry, try again :D
[03:14] <LinuxJones> tezza, really it only applies to filesystem support for the most part
[03:14] <mariano> firewall
[03:14] <eruin> on a vfat partition
[03:14] <krism> oh, it's "filtered
[03:14] <ompaul> cal_ can VFAT manage 2GB ?
[03:14] <krism> ah, lol
[03:14] <membreya> yuck krism ...who leaves themselves open for portscans these days?
[03:14] <krism> membreya : i do, for one.
[03:15] <krism> mariano : ok, can you paste the exact error message for me when you try to start the ftp server?
[03:15] <membreya> got tired of firewalls in windows freaking with portscans...so I blocked it on my router
[03:15] <mariano> ok, now I'll have to reinstall it
[03:15] <krism> membreya : there are no windows boxes on my network. so, no problem.
[03:15] <mariano> krism, what do you recommend?
[03:15] <krism> mariano : oh :)
[03:15] <ompaul> membreya, there is a school of thought that blocking icmp is just evil /me points at a $companies firewall
[03:15] <mariano> It's the same for me
[03:15] <membreya> aaah :)
[03:15] <krism> mariano : i usually use 'vsftpd'
[03:15] <krism> ompaul : set up an ssh-vpn
[03:15] <membreya> ompaul: i can enable it ..but for what?
[03:15] <ompaul> membreya, also if configured properly it should not be an issue
[03:16] <krism> ompaul : (which is how im on IRC "from" my employers)
[03:16] <mariano> krism, installing
[03:16] <krism> ompaul : despite being on a ridiculously restrictive firewall
[03:17] <ompaul> krism, I have used Open VPN on several occasions - you prove the point lock the door and staff will walk around it - security involves everybody
[03:17] <krism> mariano : you might want to edit /etc/vsftpd.conf and uncomment "local_enable" and "write_enable"
[03:17] <mariano> great, thanks
[03:18] <krism> ompaul : ah, .. ppp over ssh (over https) was just easier for me than a 'real' vpn
[03:18] <ompaul> membreya, it is used to keep various parts of the internet unbroken :)
[03:18] <mariano> krism: /etc/vsftpd.conf
[03:18] <mariano> sorry
[03:18] <krism> ?
[03:18] <krism> lol
[03:18] <mariano> krism: 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[03:18] <ompaul> krism, it is in most cases
[03:18] <membreya> wouldnt stopping icmp reduce my risk of DDOS?
[03:18] <mariano> this is the error I get now
[03:19] <krism> mariano : anything interesting in /var/log/vsftpd.log ?
[03:19] <Xappe> howto install esddsp?
[03:19] <krism> membreya : no.
[03:19] <mariano> krism, nothing at all
[03:19] <AeonOnE> does anyone know of any solutions why my mp3s are playing at such a high speed, it makes guys sound like girls? :P
[03:19] <ompaul> krism, it is funny one contract I had recently involved proving that open vpn worked cos SSH was a browser technology I was told by a systems integrator - enough already I will only get mad
[03:19] <krism> hmm
[03:20] <mariano> krism, it's a brand new installation
[03:20] <krism> ompaul : haha
[03:20] <membreya> nice to see a patch was put out so now I can see my mounts as volumes again in hoary ;)
[03:24] <cblack> lo folks
[03:24] <welly> Hello all.. hows it going?
[03:24] <welly> lo cblack
[03:24] <ompaul> krism, so we go visit the "hq" of these people - we had discovered that they had broken routing in the building - every machine had as its default route itself - and so when we did a ping sweep from the yellow in the dmz we saw only one win 98 box but from the green card we saw the whole network - anyway we go to this office set up from a very old laptop (just to make a point) fight with them to open icmp on 5k ssh in to the far end en
[03:24] <ompaul> able the software open the vpn and tell them to fix the broken sc* u*ix box so that is has a default route and all is well
[03:25] <welly> can anyone recommend a general n00b site for linux, learning the basics like installing fonts and I dunno.. just general basic help :) so i don't have to come here wasting folks time asking already answered questions?
[03:26] <AeonOnE> there's the site listed in the topic...
[03:26] <CarlK> welly - "learn linux" is too broad
[03:26] <manobes> welly: Have you tried the ubuntu forums?  There's lots of good info in there.
[03:26] <welly> i'm just having a browse now
[03:26] <welly> carlk, thats a fair point..
[03:26] <AeonOnE> anyone know why my mp3s play faster than normal?
[03:26] <cblack> linux.com
[03:26] <CarlK> welly - my advice: pick a fun goal, like "surf the web" or "use OO to do a term paper"
[03:26] <memaway> welly: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:27] <welly> while i mentioned installing fonts, whats the font type as used by linux? I presume it not to be TTF? but i could be wrong
[03:28] <CarlK> or what I am doing: try to use an old compaq lte5150 (P-100, 32 ram, 800 hd) to play mp3s and surf with firefox
[03:28] <njan> AeonOnE, I've had that problem in windows when windows 2k picked the wrong driver for an onboard card; I'd take a look at alsa, if I were you. What sort of machine is it?
[03:29] <CarlK> which brings me to my Q: did I see a ubuntu targeted at old hardware?
[03:29] <AeonOnE> njan, it's a pentium4 1.7GHz just running warty
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: not specifically
[03:29] <manobes> welly: Linux supports TTF
[03:29] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can suggest me a good ftp client for warty with ssl support ?
[03:29] <ompaul> CarlK, have you more than one sound card?
[03:29] <welly> manobes, oh ok, fair enough!
[03:30] <CarlK> ompaul - nope
[03:30] <manobes> welly: You can install addtionall true type fonts by downloading them into the .fonts directory
[03:30] <welly> ok.. i'll try that then, many thanks.
[03:30] <manobes> (select "view" and then "show hidden files" to see it in the file manager)
[03:31] <ompaul> CarlK, sorry mixed up who I was talking to
[03:31] <CarlK> is there a ubuntu setup that will allow me to not install Open Office, games, etc?
[03:31] <krism> ompaul : ack, sheesh. sorry it took me so long to respond.
[03:31] <Se7h> does anyone has a mustek mini camera?
[03:31] <CarlK> ompaul - I was wondering...
[03:31] <njan> AeonOnE, custom made, or brand?
[03:31] <krism> ompaul : (that was about the place that had every boxes default route set to itself)
[03:31] <Se7h> i used to import the pics from it, but now the app wont popup
[03:32] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can suggest me a good ftp client for warty with ssl support ?
[03:33] <Guybrush|Numb> graphical interface, i should add
[03:33] <klaym> Guybrush|Numb: there's one at ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <Guybrush|Numb> checking...
[03:33] <klaym> called gftp
[03:34] <ompaul> krism, yes we had a shouting match with the integrator in their (the integrators) office -  (consider this with all caps) Just add the bloody route will you the default route ohh FFS look type this command etc it took them 3 hours to open the firewall correctly and one hour to add the default route
[03:34] <Guybrush|Numb> klaym: thanks, but it does not have ssl support :-|
[03:34] <AeonOnE> njan, custom made. using a Chaintech AV-710 soundcard
[03:34] <klaym> ok. I don't even know what that is
[03:34] <ompaul> krism, anyway thats enough of that :)
[03:35] <ompaul> krism,  raw_input()
[03:35] <memaway> klaym: SSL = Secure Socket Layer
[03:36] <welly> good is this ubuntu, I think it's probably the first distribution I've tried that could genuinely be a replacement for windows as far as ease of use etc. goes
[03:36] <ompaul> Guybrush|Numb, sftp because you have ssh installed already  just type sftp user@whatever and do the obvious but tab completion is not there for a reason :)
[03:37] <Guybrush|Numb> ompaul: thanks, but i have a remote site that uses ssl on a windows ftp daemon :-|
[03:37] <minimec> Hi folks. hmm... I did a system upgrade to hoary. Can anybody explain to me the fact, that I have no Kernel Headers and Sources for the installed Kernel-Image-2.6.10 ?
[03:38] <Guybrush|Numb> i wanted to try ftp-ssl package from universe, but it conflicts with ftp package, on which ubuntu-base depends :-|
[03:38] <njan> AeonOnE, hmm.. I'd google around, if I were you.
[03:38] <ompaul> Guybrush|Numb, and it won't talk to sftp wow
[03:38] <Guybrush|Numb> ompaul: do not blame me :)
[03:39] <cblack> Guybrush|Numb, it's okay for the ubuntu-base package to get removed.
[03:39] <OOOOKKK> hi
[03:39] <OOOOKKK> can any one tell me what's the relatino of QT with Linux ?
[03:39] <ompaul> Guybrush|Numb, no I am not, I wonder if you scripted something - expect or python
[03:39] <AeonOnE> njan, okay, thanks :)
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> OOOOKKK: qt is a toolkit which can run on linux
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> KDE uses it
[03:39] <ompaul> OOOOKKK, ask in #kde they most likely know much more about it
[03:40] <OOOOKKK> if i'm using emacs for writing C++ codes and g++ as the compiler
[03:40] <Guybrush|Numb> cblack: is it ? Thats good news, i suppose it's there just to get a sane starting environment ?
[03:40] <OOOOKKK> how can I integrate QT into what i'm doing ?
[03:40] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: you program with it same as any other programming library
[03:40] <cblack> Guybrush|Numb, correct. It's a meta-package that pulls in the stock ubuntu base environment.
[03:40] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: what are you doing?
[03:40] <OOOOKKK> you mean QT initself is a C++ editor ?
[03:41] <minimec> can I use the Debian Kernels on an Ubuntu System?
[03:41] <dgp> minimec: you'd better use the ubuntu ones
[03:41] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: no, it's a programming library
[03:41] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: so you can go  new QPushButton and  it will make a button for you on the screen
[03:42] <timothy> can someone help me mount windows partitions? I have it to the point where mounting it is fine and I've edited my /etc/fstab with what seems to be the necessities, but when I mount it I don't have access to the folder
[03:42] <cblack> Guybrush|Numb, but you could also install gft-gtk or gftp-text to get an ssl enabled ftp client and still keep ubuntu-base around.
[03:42] <minimec> dgp: Well what shall I do now. I need the headers and sources for the 2.6.10 ubuntu Kernel. But they are not in the apt-cache list.
[03:43] <cblack> minimec, you're running warty or hoary?
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> minimec: they should be if you're running hoary
[03:43] <dgp> minimec: they are, on Hoary
[03:43] <minimec> cblack, I made an upgrade to hoary
[03:43] <brrrt> why dont use kernel from kernel.org?
[03:43] <dgp> minimec: then look for linux-source-2.6.10 and linux-headers-*
[03:43] <cblack> minimec, they headers and such are in hoary. apt-cache search 2.6.10 | grep linux
[03:44] <minimec> hmmm.. i did an apt-get update and searched for the headers. Nothing ...
[03:44] <ompaul> brrrt, to do so is to break your distribution and thus change the maintaince path - your call
[03:44] <timothy> i've tried modifying the permissions of the folder I'm mounting to, but as soon as I mount the partitions, it changes the permissions back so that I can't access them
[03:45] <krism> timothy : samba share?
[03:45] <dgp> timothy: add user=timothy (or your user login) to the mount options.
[03:45] <krism> timothy : if so, in /etc/fstab options for your mount, add "uid=..,gid=..." to set the owner of the files
[03:45] <kent> do some one know when the 2.6.0 kernel was released?
[03:46] <memaway> timothy: is it a local or remote drive? and what "permissions" are you talking about? are you trying to write or just read?
[03:46] <cblack> minimec, they're there.
[03:46] <cblack> linux-headers-2.6.10-3
[03:46] <dgp> brrrt: better "install" the  linux-source-2.6.10 package and recompile with kernel-package
[03:46] <dgp> kent: look at www.kernel.org, there should be the release date. or look into the archives at lwn.net
[03:47] <spiral> hi
[03:47] <memaway> does anyone here get over 200kB/s using apt-get?
[03:47] <timothy> memaway: it's a local drive, and I mean the permissions to access the folder that I mount to (/mnt/win) just read, and it's an NTFS formatted drive
[03:47] <Xappe> memaway, yepp, usualy around 800
[03:47] <minimec> cblack, thx. As an old debian user I did apt-get search kernel-headers ... :-)
[03:48] <memaway> gah...only cable but i can never get above 200
[03:48] <cblack> minimec, yeah, that got me at first to. all the ubuntu kernel packages are linux-. :-)
[03:48] <timothy> memaway: but I got it working (uid=xxxx did the trick)
[03:49] <dgp> they really should drop the kernel-* packages, they only confuse new users
[03:50] <funto> does someone know an easy way of installing the Mesa dev librairies?
[03:50] <Bicchi> i tried the ubuntu live cd and the computer frooze. should i asume that there is unsuported hardware in my computer or perhaps the live cd just sucks.
[03:50] <minimec> cblack, looks much better now... :-)
[03:50] <Dreamer3_> dgp: how so?
[03:50] <dgp> funto: apt-get install xlibsmesa-dev, or something like that
[03:51] <dgp> Dreamer3_: because they are superseded by the linux-* packages
[03:51] <christiannyg> Ok... how do I get esddsp?
[03:51] <funto> dgp: there are problems of depends
[03:51] <Dreamer3_> dgp: ah
[03:51] <dgp> christiannyg: esd-utils, I think
[03:51] <eruin> anyone know how to make rhythmbox burn cds at a lower speed than its default?
[03:51] <cblack> christiannyg, apt-get install esound-clients
[03:51] <funto> mesag-dev:
[03:51] <funto>  Dpend: xlibs-dev but it is not installable
[03:51] <funto>  Dpend: mesa-common-dev but it is not going to be installed
[03:51] <memaway> funto: search for the file by sudo apt-cache search (name)
[03:51] <spiral> hmmm... I've got a problem with my phpmyadmin on ubuntu :
[03:51] <spiral> "Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/defines.lib.php on line 36"
[03:51] <cblack> memaway, there's no reason to run apt-cache search as root.
[03:52] <spiral> any idea where this comes from ?
[03:52] <brrrt> i am using ubuntu 64, it works great! except some precompiled perlscripts, i already setup a chrooted env with the files (libs etc. ) copied 1:1 from a working woody but the scripts still dont work, any ideas what to do?
[03:52] <memaway> xlibmesa-dev
[03:52] <christiannyg> esound-clients is not available on warty :)
[03:52] <memaway> cblack: force of habit ;)
[03:52] <dgp> funto: let me check...
[03:52] <funto> memaway: to find what?
[03:53] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrumpyGroundhog - is there anything like this yet?
[03:53] <memaway> search for mesa
[03:53] <minimec> cblack, maybe you know that: Is the bootsplash patch integrated in the linux-image-2.6.10-3 ?
[03:53] <dgp> CarlK: not before Hoary is released, in April
[03:53] <CarlK> rats
[03:54] <cblack> minimec, i dunno. i don't use bootsplash so i never check. :-)
[03:54] <dgp> CarlK: currently, hoary is the bleeding edge release
[03:54] <memaway> anyone got flash working on amd64?
[03:54] <minimec> cblack, well be back. I have to reboot
[03:54] <minimec> cblack, cu
[03:54] <csorrell> leonel: dammit thanks, i was only looking on the client
[03:55] <leonel> csorrell: ei !  we were on #debian !
[03:55] <leonel> csorrell: jejeje
[03:56] <t31> i have installed enlightenment using synaptic, someone knows how to add to the sessions menu in the ubuntu start?
[03:56] <dgp> memaway: on my local lug's mailing list, they suggested http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=216959
[03:57] <flosch> hi
[03:57] <dgp> t31: try Computer (or Desktop)->Preferences->Session(s)
[03:57] <memaway> many thanks dgp
[03:58] <eruin> anyone know how to make hdparm -d1 work in ubuntu?
[03:58] <dgp> eruin: just use 'sudo hdparm ...'
[03:58] <randabis> it works fine here...
[03:59] <randabis> ubuntu is pretty good about handling that by itself though
[03:59] <dgp> eruin: when you find some working settings, add them to /etc/hdparm.conf to use them permanently
[04:00] <eruin> dgp: I get Permission denied when trying to set dma on any device
[04:00] <dgp> eruin: did you use sudo?
[04:00] <eruin> apparently this is a debian-inherited problem? (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/11/msg01833.html)
[04:00] <eruin> correct
[04:00] <t31> dgp: lets see im back in a minute
[04:01] <eruin> I know all my devices work fine with it, since I'm able to set dma on in gentoo on the same machine :O
[04:02] <t31> dpg: i did but no changes i dont have access to that desktop yet
[04:02] <t31> dgp: sorry i did but no results :P
[04:02] <spiral> why does the phpmyadmin from hoary want caudium and not apache ?
[04:02] <dgp> t31: I don't know then...
[04:03] <t31> dpg: :(
[04:03] <welly> does anyone know the system font that macos uses as standard?
[04:03] <dgp> t31: haven't you tried to create a new session type and replace metacity with enlightment?
[04:03] <t31> dpg: i dont get u
[04:04] <dgp> t31: isn't it an alternative window manager which integrates with gnome?
[04:04] <t31> dpg: metacity?
[04:04] <dgp> t31: enlightment
[04:04] <Dreamer3_> can't quite a few wm's integrate with gnome these days?
[04:04] <t31> dpg: yes it is
[04:05] <dgp> t31: so it is not a whole desktop environment (which you would see in the menu at GDM login)
[04:05] <dgp> t31: you just need to replace metacity with it
[04:06] <dgp> t31: but the desktop will still be gnome
[04:06] <t31> dgp: no i dont know, i think is a whole desktop to use with old machines not with gnome
[04:06] <ceu> is there a way to change virtual desktop using the mouse only (no keyboard, and no WorkArea gnome applet) ?
[04:06] <memaway> dgp: that plugin only works with konquerer..not mozilla
[04:06] <vjaz> dgp, you can very well use "just a window manager" as a "desktop environment"
[04:06] <t31> dgp: if i try to run under gnome gives me an error
[04:07] <vjaz> And I think Enlightenment is actually more than a window manager.
[04:07] <dgp> memaway: i'm sorry then, i don't know anything else :(
[04:07] <t31> dpg: i only can run it starting with a console failsafe session and then start it
[04:07] <memaway> thats cool.thanks for the info :)
[04:07] <dgp> t31: try to run it with --replace
[04:08] <dgp> vjaz: yes, but i thought he would like to use it with gnome, not by itself
[04:09] <vjaz> hm
[04:10] <Div> installed ubuntu today, can't get the mouse to work, replaced the mouse, the serial port card is ok, any ideas?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> div, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SerialMouseHowto/view?searchterm=serial%20mouse
[04:11] <Div> thanks.
[04:12] <looksaus> I have no idea in which channel to ask the following question; please refer me to it if you do.
[04:12] <memaway> anyone know of a kazaa client for linux
[04:13] <grirgz> kazaa sux
[04:13] <memaway> yes but it's the best way for me to get music vids (980 and counting ;))
[04:13] <reon> Hi !
[04:13] <looksaus> my switch starts flashing on all LEDs, power LED included, after a random interval of time
[04:14] <DXT> perhaps a power problem?
[04:14] <DXT> i had a similar problem with my router
[04:14] <looksaus> DXT, my server is connected to the same power plug
[04:14] <looksaus> and that one seems to run fine
[04:15] <looksaus> strange thing is that on some ports, it seems to happen faster
[04:15] <looksaus> DXT: ideas for troubleshooting?
[04:15] <ompaul> looksaus,  it still could be a power problem if the PSU (power supply unit) has issue that seems to be something to take up with a supplier if you can't find the answer on http://www.google.com where you put in your model number and flashing lights and see what comes back :)
[04:15] <LinuxJones> div :)
[04:15] <DXT> if the switch connected via a power adapter, check if its on the right voltage
[04:16] <DXT> that's all i can think of
[04:16] <DXT> not much of a specialist i am in this area :)
[04:16] <DXT> unless its really a hardware problem
[04:16] <ompaul> reon, good afternoon
[04:16] <reon> Can someone help me with mounting my old fat/ntfs data partition please ?
[04:16] <haltok> hey
[04:16] <looksaus> ompaul: suggestions for making sure it's really a power/hardware problem?
[04:17] <reon> hi ompaul
[04:17] <ompaul> looksaus, what kind of switch is it?
[04:17] <haltok> lhello all
[04:18] <looksaus> asus gigax 1024p, 24 ports 100 Mbit + 2 Gbit managed
[04:18] <reon> looksaus, I work in the networking environment, maybe I can help
[04:18] <ompaul> looksaus, little i.e. external psu  drops to 10v or something or a big mother and father of a switch rackmountable?
[04:18] <ompaul> ohh
[04:19] <ompaul> looksaus, did not see the answer - okay
[04:19] <CarlK> is there a .torrent for Hoary, or just rsync?
[04:20] <looksaus> would it make sense to temporarily replace the thing with a small inexpensive thing and test with that one?
[04:20] <universal> hye, could someone help me with k3b, it says Command 'kcmshell k3bsetup2 --lang en_US' not found !!!!!
[04:20] <ompaul> looksaus, has it fallen over?
[04:20] <looksaus> ompaul, I'm setting up an ltsp server as a volunteer for the school I went to...
[04:20] <looksaus> ompaul: no, but it's fairly recent
[04:20] <universal> im trying to run the k3bsetup as so, and then this message pops up
[04:21] <looksaus> only installed it on friday
[04:21] <looksaus> has worked then for +- 6 hours while I was installing it
[04:21] <mon> hi, anyone tried installing hoary on vmware?
[04:22] <universal> can someone help?
[04:22] <ompaul> looksaus, I am looking at an asus catalogue now brb
[04:23] <Cuga_> universal, theres obviously something missing from the KDE components, you do realise that ubuntu is 'gnome centric' right... can't think of another word to describe it haha
[04:25] <reon> Why do I get error msg - dir: /mnt/ntfs: Permission denied   ???
[04:26] <reon> ?
[04:26] <macewan> nobody get near me. I sick as a dog today.
[04:26] <Nili> Hey guys!
[04:26] <ompaul> looksaus, there is nothing here - pop up a terminal on a linux box close to it - su - and run the following command "tcpdump -l | grep -v the_ip_of_the_machine_that_is_watching | tee > somefile" after a few minutes see if there is unusual traffic
[04:28] <ompaul> looksaus, but I do think that a call to the vendor might be in order
[04:29] <universal> Cuga_, I know but somehow it must be possible to access the k3bsetup, and then somehow reconfigure the standarts....
[04:29] <reon> can someone please help me mount a ntfs partition ?
[04:29] <ompaul> reon, if I do it will be in spite of myself :-) you do know that writing to such a thing could kill it altogether
[04:30] <Cuga_> universal, is there a k3bsetup2 on its own, im pretty sure its crapping out on the kshell... since you most likely have no kshell
[04:30] <AeonOnE> reon: try ubuntuguide.org it has great instructions on how to mount an ntfs partition
[04:30] <looksaus> ompaul: you're trying to watch for any strange packets...
[04:30] <reon> ompaul, i only need read acces
[04:30] <reon> ompaul, read the guide but not getting it right
[04:30] <universal> exactly, it have to do with my shell, therefore...
[04:30] <looksaus> ompaul: I don't really get the purpose
[04:31] <haltok> can anyone answer a very simple question?
[04:31] <Cuga_> universal, therefore just put in that command on your command line, don't try and do it thru the gui
[04:31] <reon> ompaul, edited the fstab file, did the mount -a, but having a permission problem reding it
[04:31] <Cuga_> gui has hardcoded in to try and launch kshell
[04:31] <haltok> i need to disable postfix on boot.  and i can't find chkconfig to do it
[04:31] <ompaul> looksaus, okay - you have a piece of hardware it is faulty - speak to vendor with symptoms after you check that you do not have a packet storm
[04:32] <looksaus> ok... thx, sorry for disturbing with a question that is probably not appropriate in this channel, and thanks for helping me solve it
[04:32] <universal> Cuga_, ok, but what to type, so gnome can recognize?
[04:32] <welly> hey guys, where is the .fonts directory kept for installing new fonts? I can't seem to find it
[04:33] <Cuga_> universal it doesn't matter
[04:33] <Cuga_> universal, just open up any terminal
[04:33] <universal> Cuga_,  kcmshell k3bsetup2[/color] ?
[04:33] <Cuga_> and type that command it says it error out on minus the kcmdshell part
[04:33] <Cuga_> kcmshell = not your friend
[04:35] <lamont> haltok: to have postfix not run at all, just rm /etc/r*.d/S20postfix
[04:35] <lamont> er, /etc/rc?.d/S20postfix if you want to be more specific
[04:35] <haltok> i may want to start it in the future, but for now, just don't want it to start at boot
[04:35] <lamont> to start it later, as root, say /etc/init.d/postfix start
[04:36] <haltok> oh ok
[04:36] <universal> Cuga_, Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found. this is what it says? then type k3bsetup2?
[04:36] <haltok> thanks a lot so rm /etc/r*.d/S20postfix
[04:36] <lamont> removing it from rc?.d says to never start it as part of entering a runstate.
[04:36] <haltok> that is what i am looking for.  thanks!
[04:36] <lamont> those are all symlinks to /etc/init.d/postfix, which you'll want to keep..
[04:36] <haltok> i appreciate the help (U newb)
[04:36] <lamont> np
[04:36] <Cuga_> universal, Just run k3bsetup2
[04:37] <universal> Cuga_, not found
[04:37] <Cuga_> k3b then hit tab and see what commands you do have
[04:37] <universal> Cuga_, shell is like term, isnt it?
[04:38] <Cuga_> yes
[04:38] <universal> Cube-ness, hmmm
[04:38] <universal> Cuga_, hmm
[04:43] <haltok> clearw
[04:45] <looksaus> ompaul: is there anything specific I should look for in the log collected?
[04:45] <ompaul> looksaus, on a call
[04:49] <ompaul> looksaus, second call on going
[04:49] <crack> hello
[04:49] <drasko> hello
[04:49] <crack> quick question...
[04:49] <crack> fresh install
[04:49] <drasko> ?
[04:49] <crack> cant get my bootloader to work
[04:49] <crack> grub hangs
[04:49] <crack> then
[04:49] <crack> i have to use my xp cd to fix my mbr
[04:49] <crack> so
[04:49] <crack> dual boot
[04:49] <crack> doesnt work
[04:50] <crack> tried installing a new version of grub
[04:50] <crack> but
[04:50] <crack> still doesnt work
[04:50] <drasko> crack, have you configured grub properly
[04:50] <crack> fresh install
[04:50] <crack> automatic
[04:50] <drasko> crack, does the booting in linux works?
[04:50] <crack> no
[04:50] <crack> xp knows its there
[04:50] <crack> but
[04:50] <crack> grub hangs
[04:51] <crack> doesnt boot
[04:51] <crack> cant even boot xp without fixing the mbr
[04:51] <drasko> how do you know xp knows?
[04:51] <crack> because when i get into disk management
[04:51] <crack> it sees linux
[04:51] <crack> on the second drive
[04:51] <crack> hdb
[04:51] <drasko> so you can boot xp
[04:51] <crack> only with editing my mbr
[04:52] <drasko> are the partitions on the same disk
[04:52] <crack> here is the hardware setup
[04:52] <crack> no
[04:52] <crack> hda is xp
[04:52] <crack> hdb is linux... ubuntu
[04:52] <drasko> that might be the problem
[04:52] <crack> no
[04:52] <crack> i have done it before
[04:52] <crack> i just had to reformat
[04:53] <crack> and set back up again
[04:53] <rapha> Hi all!
[04:53] <crack> and now, i cant get ubuntu to work
[04:53] <drasko> lost you there...
[04:53] <crack> well
[04:53] <ompaul> looksaus, what I would look at is check for "legal" traffic when you identify it grep -v that traffic building recursively until you have (A) found a machine doing something it should not (B) eliminated all machines other than the one you are on in which case you go to another one do the same and this time tcpdump -l | grep ip_first_box | tee >  foologic2 and read that if nothing wrong that you can spot take switch back to shop
[04:53] <crack> as long as you have a swap file
[04:53] <crack> on the first disk
[04:53] <crack> then you can boot either one
[04:54] <crack> as long as the swap is on the first disk
[04:54] <drasko> swap file?
[04:54] <crack> yea
[04:54] <crack> um
[04:54] <crack> you need a swap file to install linux... if you are dual booting
[04:54] <ompaul> crack, you can have a swap file on the second disk
[04:54] <drasko> yaes you can, but still try to boot from the floppy
[04:54] <crack> i thought it had to be on the first
[04:54] <drasko> then checkout grub.config
[04:54] <crack> i dont have a floppy
[04:55] <ompaul> back in a minutes
[04:55] <crack> they are useless
[04:55] <drasko> crack, ompaul is right... why not trying install grub on a second disk?
[04:56] <crack> i did
[04:56] <crack> could it be the media?
[04:56] <drasko> that way it will not erase mbr...
[04:56] <crack> i have the cds from ubuntu...
[04:56] <crack> ive tried 2 diff cds
[04:56] <crack> so i dont think its the media
[04:56] <ompaul> okay crack are you on a seperate machine?
[04:56] <crack> no
[04:57] <crack> my desktop
[04:57] <crack> is my dual booter...
[04:57] <crack> rofl
[04:57] <ompaul> crack not really a laughing matter :-)
[04:57] <crack> it is
[04:57] <crack> becuse i feel like a noob, but im not
[04:57] <ompaul> crack you have a live CD ?
[04:57] <crack> yep
[04:57] <drasko> it works?
[04:57] <crack> dont know
[04:57] <crack> havent tried that
[04:57] <drasko> oh...
[04:57] <ompaul> okay so boot it - mount the / of hdb
[04:57] <drasko> try it, man
[04:58] <crack> im sure it does
[04:58] <crack> can i get into xchat off the live cd?
[04:58] <drasko> yep
[04:58] <crack> k
[04:58] <crack> brb
[04:58] <haltok> what would you guys say are the "Must Have Programs" for ubuntu?
[04:58] <ompaul> crack if it is dsl you should
[04:59] <ompaul> haltok for what purpose?
[04:59] <haltok> just general use, as a desktop.
[04:59] <ompaul> then what it installed by default should get you by
[04:59] <haltok> for example : xchat, bitchx, etc.  not just chatting programs, but usablilty progs
[05:00] <bdale> jdub: flumotion in Debian is a "not yet", right?
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> haltok: all of the stuff in ubuntu-desktop :)
[05:01] <haltok> ok i am with you on that...
[05:01] <Neil3> so who will be my valentine? :)
[05:01] <chibifs> I will, Neil3 :D
[05:01] <Neil3> thanks chibifs
[05:02] <chibifs> Red?!
[05:02] <Neil3> yeah
[05:02] <ompaul> r0Z3z ?
[05:02] <Neil3> hehehe
[05:02] <Neil3> r0Z0r
[05:02] <looksaus> ompaul: I made these logs, doing tcpdump -l|grep -v <ip eth0>|grep -v <ip eth1>| tee > testfile
[05:02] <chibifs> Go back to the store and get me green and blue polka-dotted ones. And chocolate wrapped in 24 carat gold leaf!
[05:02] <ompaul> looksaus, and
[05:02] <looksaus> and the only thing I find are arp requests when I do a broadcast ping
[05:03] <looksaus> this machine is the only one connected to the switch
[05:03] <ompaul> looksaus, so it looks like the hardware is the issue
[05:03] <looksaus> all other cables are disconnected
[05:03] <looksaus> ompaul: thx for helping me find out
[05:03] <ompaul> looksaus, it might just be
[05:04] <ompaul> looksaus, one other thing where the switch expected two machines to be connected?
[05:04] <ompaul> looksaus, but I doubt it
[05:04] <CarlK> haltok - have you seen this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrumpyGroundhog
[05:05] <looksaus> ompaul: not sure what you mean?
[05:05] <looksaus> you think it could expect me to have two machines connected?
[05:05] <looksaus> it had, until I removed all but one for troubleshooting
[05:06] <ompaul> ahh
[05:06] <ompaul> looksaus, and the lights all still blink
[05:07] <looksaus> yes, after some time
[05:07] <ompaul> looksaus, guess it is faulty then
[05:07] <looksaus> when I disconnect the power cord for a longer time
[05:07] <looksaus> it seems to keep stable for a somewhat longer period
[05:07] <looksaus> then suddenly start flashing
[05:07] <ompaul> so it is like it heats up and breaks down after a bit - what temp is it there with you today?
[05:07] <looksaus> it's winter over here
[05:08] <ompaul> and the room is ?
[05:08] <looksaus> and certainly not overheating in that room
[05:08] <ompaul> okay could it be too cold / humid?
[05:08] <looksaus> 15 degrees, quite dry
[05:08] <ompaul> 15oC ?
[05:08] <looksaus> (15 degrees Celsius)
[05:08] <looksaus> somewhat below room temperature
[05:09] <ompaul> throw it back to the supplier
[05:09] <looksaus> ompaul: k, thx for the help
[05:09] <ompaul> looksaus, and install ubuntu on all those desktops :-)
[05:10] <looksaus> ompaul: I'm afraid I used Debian on the server
[05:10] <ompaul> do not fear
[05:10] <looksaus> the desktops are in fact just thin clients
[05:10] <ompaul> ahh sure you said ltsp
[05:10] <looksaus> which is why the switch is _quite_ important
[05:10] <looksaus> :)
[05:10] <crack> it booted
[05:10] <crack> no prob
[05:11] <ompaul> crack, and you expected otherwise?
[05:11] <crack> no
[05:11] <crack> i didnt
[05:11] <ompaul> looksaus, enjoy :)
[05:11] <crack> but
[05:11] <crack> i dont want to run it from cd
[05:11] <ompaul> crack, are you on the CD  now?
[05:11] <crack> no
[05:11] <crack> i had to configure my etho
[05:11] <crack> to run xchat
[05:12] <haltok>  exut
[05:12] <crack> didnt feel like messin with that
[05:12] <crack> i have a feeling its a problem with grub
[05:12] <crack> the install
[05:12] <crack> can ubuntu use lilo?
[05:12] <chibifs> Yes, just not a good idea
[05:12] <crack> ah
[05:12] <felix_1> crack: I use lilo :-) ( hoary )
[05:12] <crack> kk
[05:13] <looksaus> bye
[05:13] <crack> is that older that warty?
[05:13] <chibifs> Hoary is the dev branch, :P
[05:13] <crack> oh
[05:13] <crack> ok
[05:13] <crack> well
[05:13] <crack> i will be back in about an hour
[05:13] <crack> gotta hit the gym
[05:13] <felix_1> chibifs: In my case it is because Grub won't install during hoary install
[05:13] <crack> maybe you guys will be on when i get back?
[05:13] <chibifs> Well, yeah, there are those random circumstances :P
[05:14] <ompaul> crack or someone might be here to assist
[05:14] <crack> kk
[05:14] <crack> thanks guys
[05:14] <crack> talk to ya soon
[05:14] <chibifs> But grub will replace it, some day-- Just like nano is replacing pico :P
[05:15] <ompaul> chibifs, nano - replacing pico - this is like emacs replacing vi :)
[05:15] <felix_1> chibifs: If Grub would use full FB 32 bit video mode for nice bootsplash ....
[05:15] <felix_1> hu... sorry: 24 bit ...
[05:16] <chibifs> :P felix, it's what we have over them. Advancement includes removing components-- That's why windows is so far behind. ^.~
[05:16] <felix_1> yeah!!! :-P
[05:16] <felix_1> (H)
[05:16] <Tirno> Hi
[05:16] <Tirno> I had to skip the network detection part during install
[05:17] <Tirno> and now the acpi monitor shows I have wireless
[05:17] <ompaul> Tirno,  ooch
[05:17] <Tirno> but I can't actually connect to the network
[05:17] <felix_1> I've  read some very good hoary in progress discutions and yes they want to use usplash with very NICE thinks
[05:17] <felix_1> things sorry
[05:19] <spiral_> anyone can tell me why this damned caudium included in hoary doesn't seem to handle my php files ?
[05:19] <ompaul> Tirno, let me move to a wireless box and I can see what I can pull from the history - take a couple of mins it is in a different room (hence the wireless)
[05:19] <xsnakex> hello
[05:20] <Tirno> thanks ompaul
[05:20] <caravena> Hello, $gcc -O3 -O2 source.c # -O3? -O2? priority?
[05:20] <xsnakex> can you help me my java is broken
[05:29] <ompaul_> Tirno, u were saying about wireless what does iwconfig give you back?
[05:30] <gaussian81> Hello all.  Quick (hopefully) easy question for everyone --> Before I grab and install Ubuntu, what are 2 or 3 things that set it apart.  I've been very impressed with screenshots so far, but I "don't what to judge a book by it's cover"
[05:30] <Neil3> its fast
[05:30] <Neil3> faster than fedora in my experience
[05:30] <Neil3> just as easy to use though
[05:30] <brrrt> ubuntu rocks !
[05:30] <Neil3> very stable so far too
[05:30] <gaussian81> ah.  is package management through apt or yum?
[05:30] <Neil3> apt
[05:30] <eyequeue> licensing / support
[05:30] <Neil3> its basically debian
[05:30] <gaussian81> nice
[05:30] <Neil3> the forums and community is great
[05:31] <Neil3> it won awards for best distro of the year 2004
[05:31] <ompaul_> gaussian81, it is debian++
[05:31] <gaussian81> is it gnome or kde focused?
[05:31] <brrrt> gnome
[05:31] <Neil3> gnome
[05:31] <Neil3> but you can use kde if you want to
[05:31] <Neil3> or fluxbox
[05:31] <Neil3> or whatever
[05:31] <jk> but there is an initiative ongoing for kde
[05:31] <jk> kubuntu
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> gaussian81: it's an integrated, open desktop that's easy to use
[05:31] <eyequeue> or refrain from any gui
[05:31] <ompaul_> what is this kde you speak of?
[05:32] <brrrt> a desktoipmanager like gnome
[05:32] <gaussian81> wehave a mUCH easier time putting gnome in front of people.
[05:32] <Tirno> ompaul: lo no wireless extensions
[05:32] <Tirno> eth0 no wireless extensions
[05:32] <Tirno> eth1 iee802.11b ... [some stuff]
[05:32] <gaussian81> nice.  I'll torrent it today
[05:32] <Neil3> i prefer gnome personally
[05:32] <gaussian81> me 2
[05:32] <Neil3> much lighter than kde, feels more elegant
[05:33] <Neil3> kde just has too much stuff going on for me
[05:33] <ompaul_> Tirno, do this "iwconfig eth1 essid any"
[05:33] <jk> yup
[05:33] <brrrt> i love gnome
[05:33] <jk> they need a UI cleanup badly
[05:33] <Grev> Does anyone here use Ubuntu as a server (web, samba, ftp)? what do you think of it?
[05:33] <gaussian81> my comanpy helps businesses move to Linux, KDE has NEVER been an easy sell
[05:33] <Neil3> i am using it as a samba server
[05:33] <brrrt> yes i tried ubuntu as server
[05:34] <Neil3> just to share a public folder on my network to the windows machines
[05:34] <Neil3> it works well
[05:34] <brrrt> php mysql postfix works great
[05:34] <jk> Grev: i'm using it as a small-traffic lamp server on an amd64, works fine
[05:34] <Grev> Neil3: web is what I'm most interested in
[05:34] <eyequeue> apache2 works well
[05:34] <Neil3> people are using it as a web server
[05:34] <jk> Grev: you can use the 'custom' install to not install X and so on
[05:34] <Neil3> but thats all extra stuff you have to do
[05:34] <Neil3> the default ubuntu is focused on the desktop
[05:35] <Tirno> ompaul_ : did that, doesn't seem to help
[05:35] <eyequeue> and with a gui
[05:35] <Grev> i love it as a desktop
[05:35] <jk> only problem i found is that i trust apache1 more for now, and the php in ubuntu is compiled for apache2
[05:35] <ompaul_> Tirno, then you do not seem to have a driver for the wireless device you have
[05:35] <brrrt> apache 1.3 work perfectly with ubuntus php
[05:35] <Tirno> hmmm
[05:35] <Tirno> and yet this is a reinstall
[05:36] <Tirno> I had it working 3 days ago
[05:36] <ompaul_> Tirno, which card are you using? (not that I have tried too many)
[05:36] <jk> brrrt: really...hmm...maybe i'll take a look again
[05:36] <ompaul_> Tirno, ahh hang on a sec
[05:36] <jk> brrrt: when i installed php, it installed apache2 too
[05:36] <Neil3> the ubuntu irc channel is a lot friendlier than a lot of other linux chans here
[05:36] <jk> while i already had apache1
[05:36] <Tirno> There's a bunch of stuff I didn't copy from what it says about eth1
[05:36] <gaussian81> oh. another question: anyone using Ubuntu as an LTSP server?  FYI: It's how we deploy 99% of our Linux desktops
[05:36] <ompaul_> Tirno, don't worry about that
[05:37] <brrrt> jk: then just install apache1.3 you'll see it works great
[05:37] <Tirno> Yeah, but I mean it seems to see a network
[05:37] <Tirno> it just doesn't use it
[05:37] <ompaul_> Tirno, if it worked before you should not have a problem now - click on that nice word at the top of the screen computer then network
[05:37] <ompaul_> sorry
[05:38] <LinuxJones> gaussian81, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LTSPHowTo/view?searchterm=ltsp
[05:38] <ompaul_> Tirno, computer ->  system configuration -> networking
[05:39] <gaussian81> Thx LinuxJones
[05:39] <ompaul_> Tirno, it should be very obvious what to do from there
[05:39] <Tirno> a thing came up in the taskbar, then disappeared
[05:39] <Tirno> I still have no window :/
[05:39] <ompaul_> Tirno, try a reboot
[05:40] <ompaul_> actually ignore that
[05:40] <gaussian81> Thanks for the help everyone.  This is a great (helpful) room.    l8r yall
[05:40] <Skwid_> ompaul: reboot medecine only works on windows :)
[05:40] <ompaul_> Tirno did you actually get to put in the password?
[05:40] <Tirno> nope
[05:40] <ompaul_> Skwid_, I remembered that see the second comment :)
[05:42] <ompaul_> Tirno, you need a dialog to put in the password - or you will not get to use the nice gui tool
[05:43] <MrCranky> howcome recent documents won't clear in Warty?
[05:43] <ompaul_> Question: is there a way to stop the last sudo lasting 5 mins?
[05:43] <ompaul_> without general disturbance of system?
[05:43] <Tirno> and why won't it ask for the password?
[05:44] <Tirno> and can I get the nice gui tool by sudo'ing it from the terminal?
[05:44] <ompaul_> it should
[05:44] <ompaul_> I suppose so let me look at what the command line is :-)
[05:45] <ompaul_> Tirno, it is "gksudo network-admin" just to keep it straight
[05:45] <MrCranky> ompaul_ you just go sudo -K to remove the "unlocking" of sudo
[05:45] <ompaul_> MrCranky, thanks
[05:46] <Tirno> ah
[05:46] <Tirno> got a window now
[05:46] <ompaul_> Tirno, it make sense to you?
[05:47] <Tirno> yah
[05:47] <nix000> anyone has clues/links on the easiest way to make the latest nvidia drivers work in ubuntu ? i am using a compaq presario laptop and the screen is all off for some reason
[05:47] <Tirno> all good now
[05:47] <Tirno> thanks a bunch
[05:48] <Tirno> any clue why I wasn't able to start the gui-thingy from computer->...->networking?
[05:48] <ompaul_> you did not click on it or the properties are wrong - have a look around you will figure it out
[05:48] <Tirno> ok
[05:49] <tck> nix000, try #nivdia
[05:49] <tck> or nvidia even :P
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> nix000: if you run hoary (development version)
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> it has the latest nvidia drivers
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> ok bed
[05:50] <nix000> tck: how does one check the version of nvidia that came with hoary ?
[05:50] <tck> im not sure, try looking thru synaptic
[05:50] <nix000> oops i meant i am running warthy.
[05:51] <randabis> hoary has nvidia driver <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:51] <randabis> the latest
[05:51] <ompaul> long walk down the stairs :)
[05:51] <nix000> HrdwrBoB, what version of nvidia came with warthy ?
[05:52] <randabis> 61.11
[05:53] <ompaul> idle &
[05:53] <ompaul> oops
[05:53] <nix000> randabis, thanks.
[06:01] <thux> can't install ubuntu-desktop cause ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk: Depends: ia32-libs
[06:01] <hawkman> Can anyone explain to me why a custom app launcher in Gnome, directed at the opera.sh file won't launch opera.. but clicking it in nautilus it opens instantly ?
[06:05] <dadasdasdasddaad> hey
[06:06] <dadasdasdasddaad> anyone not AFK..?
[06:06] <tck> holy shit, IA-64 is available for hoary
[06:06] <tobbe> Are there any known problems with hoary?
[06:06] <mg> hawkman: probably something to do with the working directory
[06:07] <dadasdasdasddaad> Someone wanna help me with setting up xmms
[06:09] <dadasdasdasddaad> hello...
[06:09] <fetus> anyone not afk
[06:10] <hawkman> mg, so any idea how I'd fix it ?
[06:10] <meuserj|work> fetus, just describe your problem.. and if someone can help, they will.
[06:10] <fetus> i did the apt-get xmms thingy
[06:10] <mg> hawkman: edit the launcher to run "cd /path/to/opera && ./opera.sh"
[06:11] <fetus> and now when i run xmms on termnal i get a long error
[06:11] <meuserj|work> fetus, what's the error?
[06:11] <fetus> i just need a player that will play mp3s , thats pretty much all i do this this box
[06:11] <fetus> lemme post it
[06:12] <fetus> usr@ubuntu:~ $ xmms
[06:12] <fetus> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:12] <fetus> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m odid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:12] <beny> plop
[06:12] <fetus> thats when i type xmms in the terminal
[06:12] <meuserj|work> fetus, ah.. that's a known error.. can't remember where I read about it though....
[06:13] <fetus> do you think the xmms site would have docs about the error
[06:13] <meuserj|work> fetus, for the time being, take a look at Rhythmbox or Muine.. both very good players
[06:13] <nix000> anyone tell me why kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS> does not reside in warty ? i installed a default warty and trying to get the matching kernel headers
[06:13] <meuserj|work> let me see if I can find where I read about the error...
[06:13] <fetus> ok thanks man
[06:13] <meuserj|work> np
[06:14] <DracosX> fetus: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2 - maybe that will help
[06:14] <spiral_> nix000: linux-source ?
[06:14] <fetus> is rhythem box under the apt get tree
[06:14] <meuserj|work> fetus, yeah
[06:15] <fetus> I love you man
[06:15] <fetus> xmms works now
[06:15] <fetus> thanks a billion
[06:15] <surrounder> hmm where can I change the keyboardlayout for console in ubuntu?
[06:15] <DracosX> yw :P
[06:16] <nix000> spiral_, i just need the headers so that the binary nvidia driver compiles
[06:17] <spiral_> nix000: I don't think they are separated... So you need both...
[06:19] <krism> goddamn i'm bored.
[06:19] <Skwid_> me too
[06:19] <krism> the sad thing is, im at work
[06:20] <fetus> meh, xmms is pissin me off. Im getting static in my music
[06:20] <ompaul> krism, Skwid_ for ubuntu write code :)
[06:20] <fetus> damn soundcard
[06:20] <krism> i just dont feel like working. and ive got my stuff done, too.
[06:20] <Cuga_> krism, come do my work
[06:20] <krism> ompaul : eh, like what?
[06:20] <Skwid_> ompaul: like ?
[06:20] <krism> lol ;)
[06:21] <ompaul> krism, a programming extention to python wxpython an idle so that you get code written in one window and output in another and in a third listings of modules or some such
[06:21] <ompaul> :)
[06:21] <krism> ompaul : http://xemacs.org/

[06:21] <Skwid_> LoL
[06:22] <fetus> anyone wanna guide me to fixing the static on my soundcard
[06:22] <krism> Skwid_ : what kind of coding you into?
[06:22] <ompaul> krism, sorry did I not say it was to be a modle editor instead of idle aweeee
[06:22] <ompaul> :)
[06:22] <Skwid_> php mostly
[06:23] <Skwid_> but it has been a while :)
[06:23] <Cuga_> fetus, thats usually not cause by something you can fix, just as best practice, move the sound card as far away from other cards as possible
[06:23] <krism> ompaul : ?! stop putting extra L's everywhere :p
[06:23] <fetus> i have a shuttle so moving its not possible
[06:23] <krism> Skwid_ : ah
[06:23] <Grev> my computer no longer auto mount usb drive, and idea why?
[06:23] <krism> Grev : it has a headache?
[06:23] <Cuga_> ah shuttles are cramp... might be outta luck
[06:23] <fetus> no static under winxp pro sp2 , hrm.
[06:24] <krism> Skwid_ : kinda wanting to resurect an old project of mine, "universal configuration tool" at.. http://unct.sf.net/ IIRC
[06:24] <Grev> krism: kinda
[06:24] <fetus> its a chaintech AV-710, Via Envy 24/192bit card
[06:24] <krism> Grev : lol, sorry, i dont have anything useful to say.
[06:24] <Skwid_> krism: reading
[06:24] <Cuga_> you using ALSA or OSS
[06:24] <fetus> alsa
[06:24] <krism> Skwid_ : its been dead a few years
[06:24] <Skwid_> wait what is it ?
[06:25] <felix_1> is onyone used with php??