[12:39] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> how can i resize my ext partition? cant do it whilre i've booted from it, nor is it letting me do it while on the Live cd
[12:40] <wesley_> the i386 version doest work on amd64 and compiling is something i just need to learn
[12:40] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> it says its mounted but its not mounted
[12:40] <Karti> wesley_: I had similar issues but got it working with a noapic install, but could not get it to recognise my USB drives....
[12:41] <wesley_> okee guys i succeede just typ sudo before the commando
[12:41] <ScorpKing> Cael_LiveCDkubun: boot from the live cd and go to install. follow it till you get to disk setup and select manual. after you resized it just quit the installer.
[12:43] <wesley_> now i learned to compile by myself
[12:43] <LjL> wesley_, the i386 version *should* work on amd64. lots of people use it
[12:44] <wesley_> it did'nt by my and then again if i compile its better
[12:45] <LjL> 'fya say so
[12:46] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> is 12~15GB enough for kubuntu out of a 120GB hdd?
[12:47] <LjL> Cael_LiveCDkubun: it will most definitely run
[12:47] <wesley_> and prog like kdenlive you need to compile also
[12:48] <onur_> hi all
[12:48] <onur_> anyone give me a link about installing beryl in kubuntu ?
[12:48] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> grrrr
[12:48] <onur_> howto or documentation..
[12:49] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> it crashed installer second ittried resizing
[12:50] <wesley_> onur do you use intel ?
[12:51] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i suppose since not much is on my install
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> repartition my whole disk but
[12:52] <onur_> wesley_: yes
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> make the ext partition 15gb
[12:52] <BluesKaj> evening folks...beautiful here in Northern Ontario tonight , still like summer :)
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> laving the rest for a OSX Tigwe partition
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> *Tiger
[12:53] <wesley_> onur then you should just searh on beryl in the packing manager
[12:54] <BluesKaj> 15G doesn't do Kubuntu much justice if you plan on doing media projects ...you may regret noyt leaving enuff room once you realize how easy it is.
[12:55] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> hows 30gb?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> much better :)
[12:55] <ScorpKing> hi BluesKaj! i've only got a 12GB hd and it suck. :P
[12:56] <BluesKaj> yeah , I know the feeling ...was stuck with 2 6G drives for a while too
[12:56] <ScorpKing> anyway, bedtime for me. nite everyone!
[12:56] <BluesKaj> 160G goes a long way to accommodate both Linux and windows :)
[12:58] <onur_> wesley_: just that ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Cael_LiveCDkubun, what size is your HDD ?
[12:58] <wesley_> uh beryl and you need to select beryl manager and emerald
[12:58] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> 120gb
[12:59] <BluesKaj> cool, so you have some space
[12:59] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i need space for swap, Ext, OSX, yaboot
[12:59] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> (this is a G3 PPC iMac)
[01:01] <BluesKaj> how much RAM ..if you have under 1G ram 1-2G swap is fine , double it if it's under 512Mb
[01:01] <onur_> wesley_:  :) thanks
[01:03] <onur_> wesley_: i install this packages
[01:03] <onur_> anything other ?
[01:03] <onur_> wesley_: i install these packages
[01:05] <onur_> wesley_:  ?
[01:05] <SilentDis> hello :)
[01:05] <wesley_> yes did it work?
[01:06] <onur_> how ?
[01:06] <onur_> alt+f2 and giving that command ? "beryl" or "beryl-manager" ?
[01:06] <onur_> how can i start it ?
[01:06] <wesley_> system > beryl-manager
[01:07] <onur_> perfecT!
[01:08] <onur_>  :)
[01:08] <onur_> thanks wesley_
[01:09] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> hmmm now isee the drives mounted in /media/untitled its been awhile since i used linux less kubuntu, how do i unmount a drive while on liveCD?
[01:09] <SilentDis> bit of an odd question here.  I have a slow 'net connection on eth0, and sometimes use an EVDO 'net connection via kppp.  if I connect via kppp, my apps still use eth0 by default.  is there some way to tell the system to favor the kppp connection when it's on, and default back to eth0 otherwise?
[01:09] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: sudo umount /path/to/mount
[01:11] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> subuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo unmount /media/untitled
[01:11] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> sudo: unmount: command not found
[01:12] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: not "unmount", "umount" :)
[01:12] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> ahh
[01:12] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> umount: /media/untitled: not found
[01:12] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> but partitioner shows thats where its mounted to
[01:13] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: pastebin the output of mount -i please :)
[01:13] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> long list ,
[01:13] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: yep, use pastebin
[01:13] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> should i paste right into channel?
[01:13] <SilentDis> !pastebin | Cael_LiveCDkubun
[01:13] <ubotu> Cael_LiveCDkubun: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <keaton> I blew a fuse and when my computer came back on, X wouldn't start. It tells me my Nvidia kernel isn't working or some such thing.
[01:15] <SilentDis> keaton: can you pastebin the error you get?
[01:15] <SilentDis> !pastebin | keaton
[01:15] <ubotu> keaton: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <keaton> Can you copy and paste from a raw terminal?
[01:16] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38047/
[01:16] <NickPresta> keaton, highlight the text with your mouse and then middle-click to paste it
[01:17] <SilentDis> keaton: ahh, can't even get into X.  you can, but it's a hastle.  try reconfiguring X to use just the default vid driver, at least that way we can get you going again, and try some stuff.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:18] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: looks like you're looking for this command:  sudo umount /media/disk :)
[01:19] <wesley_> yaha compile is succesfull
[01:20] <keaton> Okay, can someone provide me with the default X configuration file for Kubuntu Feisty's alternative video installation?
[01:20] <jordo23> Hey Kubuntu nation!
[01:20] <keaton> If you can, I'll /msg my email address.
[01:21] <SilentDis> keaton: no luck with just reconfiguring X?
[01:21] <keaton> I have very little luck reconfiguring X in plain command line.
[01:21] <keaton> I'm running in a terminal, btw, X died horribly.
[01:21] <SilentDis> keaton: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:21] <SilentDis> keaton: first choice is to choose the vid driver, pick "vga"
[01:22] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> still acts like its mounted and wont let me commit any changes
[01:22] <keaton> Thanks, man.
[01:22] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> that being w/ qparted
[01:23] <SilentDis> keaton: you can 'default' your way through most of it.  at the end, it'll ask how to choose the resolution, pick simple setup, 1024x768x60hz (or something very close to that).  works pretty good as a 'failsafe'
[01:23] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i can still "temporarly" download and install a package while in LiveCD right?
[01:23] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: it's been a while since i've tried that.  if you have enough memory for ubuntu to expand into, i don't see why it wouldn't work though.
[01:24] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> (512MB ram ^^)
[01:24] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: for example, i wouldn't try that on a 512mb memory machine.
[01:25] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i just see if i cant get GNOME partitioner
[01:25] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: if push comes to shove, reboot.  should unmount cleanly during the reboot.  not sure exactly what we're aiming for here is all...
[01:25] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> to get the hdd to unmount so i can resize the ext3 partition
[01:26] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: yeah, just reboot from a LiveCD.  you'll start 'clean slate' and won't have to worry about it :)
[01:26] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i am on the LiveCD
[01:28] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: and you mounted while on the CD, right?  i am not sure what's hanging on it, it would take a bit of digging in log files to figure out what's specifically wrong.  it would be easier to just tell the OS to reboot, and just go from there.  simplest to impliment solution to problem :)
[01:28] <BlueVette> Hello.
[01:29] <SilentDis> !hi | BlueVette
[01:29] <ubotu> BlueVette: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:30] <BlueVette> Question:   On my laptop, running kubuntu, I have the wifimanager running (the one with the icon of 3 or 4 bars).. I can tell it to scan for the network and it finds it.  I can choose "switch to network" and enter in my admin password and it returns to the manager window, but it does not pull a new IP address.  If I reboot, it defaults back to looking for my home network SSID instead of the hotels
[01:30] <BlueVette> suggestions?
[01:31] <SilentDis> BlueVette: not from me, sorry.  i'm having my own network quandries right now lol
[01:32] <SilentDis> I have a kppp managed connection, and a 'fallback' connection on eth0.  everything tries to use the eth0 interface first for net access.  is there any way to tell the OS to prefer the kppp connection if it's available, and only default to eth0 if it's not available?
[01:37] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> finallly~!
[01:38] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> Gparted (GNOME PARTIONER) is resizing my ext3 partition
[01:38] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: woot!
[01:38] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> but why the installer's partitioner or qpart couldnt do it  is beyond me
[01:39] <freqmod> I have a hexdump of a file that i need as binary, does anybody know about any programs that can convert a hex string to .bin
[01:39] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> while it start the resizing i'mam go get some smironoff before local party store closes
[01:39] <wesley_> kdenlive installs fails
[01:40] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: lol
[01:40] <wesley_> in mandriva it sits just in the packing manager
[01:44] <wesley_> it sucks to not be able to make a amv in linux
[01:46] <Kr4t05> wesley_: Indeed
[01:47] <Biovore> amv?
[01:48] <Agent_bob> i'm glad i finally learned a little about ip routing
[01:48] <Biovore> NAT is not a small bug
[01:48] <Biovore> :-P
[01:49] <Agent_bob> NAT lives in LAN
[01:50] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: grats.  now you can live with the pain of trying to explain even the basics, like how the 7 network layers work, to someone uninformed :D
[01:51] <Agent_bob> heh so is gNAT a small bug or an opensource LAN ???
[01:51] <wesley_> there ony cinnerila or how it calls for making amv
[01:52] <Agent_bob> SilentDis i didn't say i knew enough to do that yet.  i simply said i'm not "totally" illiterate now.
[01:53] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: hehehe.  the layers are easy, a few moments in the wiki will get you quickly up to speed on the overview of it, and the rest just falls into place for any logically thinking person :)
[01:53] <Agent_bob> linky ?
[01:53] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
[01:53] <Agent_bob> k
[01:53] <Biovore> avidemux is ok for chopping video together..
[01:55] <wesley_> amv is diffent with kino you can cut and all but not use a differt audio song
[01:55] <kalel> ciao
[01:55] <kalel> ce nessuno?
[01:55] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: microsoft's network model is6 layers... iirc, they combine 3 & 4 together (network and transport).  someone correct me if i'm wrong on that :)
[01:56] <SilentDis> !italian | kalel
[01:56] <ubotu> kalel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:56] <Biovore> yeah.. microsoft assumes TCP or UDP for everything in there net stack
[01:56] <kalel> e tu come mai parli italiano?
[01:56] <Biovore> !it
[01:56] <kalel> !it
[01:57] <kalel> ok
[01:57] <Agent_bob> SilentDis k  noted
[01:57] <kalel> i'm kalel
[01:57] <SilentDis> Biovore: he won't re-respond when someone else triggered the info bit for a few moments.  a flood filter :)
[01:57] <Biovore> rg
[01:57] <kalel> i can't speak english
[01:57] <Biovore> dam #ubuntu
[01:57] <Biovore> !es
[01:57] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:58] <Biovore> !it
[01:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:58] <kalel> non esiste
[01:58] <kalel> il canale
[01:58] <kalel> ubuntu-it not exist
[02:00] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: when you start to understand the OSI model, it gets a LOT easier to diagnose and fix any networking problems.  Just start at L1, and work your way up.  the problem just jumps out at you then :)
[02:01] <Agent_bob> makes sense
[02:04] <Agent_bob> timezones which way is plus and which way is minus  Etc/GMT{+/-}#   settings ?
[02:05] <Agent_bob> EU/Asia is +    the americas is -     is that correct ?
[02:06] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: for the most part, yes.
[02:06] <Biovore> Greenwitch, England is +0
[02:06] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: median line draws through france.  everything west is minus, everything east is plus, up to the ocean.  easy 'rule of thumb' way to remember it :)
[02:06] <Biovore> east coast USA is +4 (+5 in the winter)
[02:07] <Biovore> west coast USA is +7 (I think)
[02:07] <SilentDis> Biovore: -4 bio ;).  i'm in Wisconsin, we're considered -6 here :)
[02:07] <Biovore> yeah.. -
[02:07] <Biovore> hehe
[02:07] <Biovore> look how the globe spins
[02:07] <Biovore> the day starts in japan and that area
[02:08] <Biovore> and end in the West coast of the americas
[02:08] <SilentDis> Biovore: ends in Alaska/hawaii, actually.  still america, technically lol
[02:11] <Agent_bob> ok it was the hw clock that was off.
[02:12] <kalel> come statte
[02:12] <kalel> chi mi aiuta?
[02:12] <SilentDis> !it | kalel
[02:12] <ubotu> kalel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:13] <kalel> [02:13]  [470]  #kubuntu-it #ubuntu-it Forwarding to another channel
[02:13] <Agent_bob> i think i have to make /etc/adjtime a symlink to /dev/null to keep linux from messing up the hwclock
[02:14] <Agent_bob> kalel yes    to   #ubuntu-it
[02:14] <kalel> non riesco ad andare su kubuntu-iy
[02:14] <kalel> kubuntu-it
[02:14] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: what distro are you using?  i had none of these problems... and even have my hw clock set to local, for windows when i boot into it (1 or 2 times a year :P)
[02:15] <Agent_bob> SilentDis they called ubuntu when i started
[02:15] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: what version?  6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10?
[02:15] <Agent_bob> SilentDis dapper
[02:16] <Agent_bob> i think.   don't think this box still has hoary on it...
[02:16] <Agent_bob> yeah dapper
[02:16] <SilentDis> !version
[02:16] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:16] <Agent_bob> no lsb modules here mate
[02:17] <SilentDis> doh lol
[02:17] <Agent_bob> and i think i may have wrote that infonode
[02:17] <pdu> hi
[02:17] <Jucato> cat /etc/issue
[02:17] <Biovore> yeah.. not on brezzy eather
[02:17] <SilentDis> pdu: not yet.  oh!  the greeting, not my state.  hello! :D
[02:18] <Agent_bob> Jucato that would work on a default /etc/issue* file  yes
[02:18] <Jucato> I guess so.
[02:18] <Biovore> hmm
[02:18] <Biovore> lsb_release does work on brezzy
[02:18] <Biovore> should be on dapper too
[02:19] <Agent_bob> one could check the bash version   kernel version if it was standard issue    and the libc6 version
[02:19] <Jucato> only if lsb-release is installed
[02:19] <Agent_bob> Biovore sure it works on dapper    if there are lsb modules installed    i.e. default install
[02:20] <Jucato> lsb-base is sure to be installed (I guess). but lsb-release might not
[02:20] <Agent_bob> nothing sure about lsb-base either
[02:21] <Jucato> hm... I thought it would have too, since Ubuntu is lsb compliant
[02:22] <Agent_bob> Jucato heh you probably thought that bash would have to be there too    or perl   or python   :)
[02:22] <Jucato> bash is there
[02:22] <Jucato> and perl. not sure about python...
[02:22] <Agent_bob> wasn't at one time.   i did reinstall it.
[02:22] <Agent_bob> perl is not
[02:22] <Jucato> strange
[02:22] <Agent_bob> python is not
[02:23] <Agent_bob> not so strange.   just remember who you are talking too
[02:23] <Jucato> aaaanyway...
[02:23] <Jucato> I try to forget
[02:24] <Agent_bob> :)
[02:24] <Jucato> mental cabbage and all...
[02:24] <Jucato> er.. I meant baggage
[02:24] <Agent_bob> like a migrane ?
[02:30] <newbi> how to install my webcam trust wb-5400 on kubuntu?it's usb :/
[02:32] <newbi> how to install my webcam trust wb-5400 on kubuntu?it's usb :/ stdin
[02:33] <thomas__> whats the best way to share a printer between windows and linux????
[02:33] <Agent_bob> !webcam
[02:33] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:34] <SilentDis> thomas__: my router has an LPT port on it, that worked well for me.  having said that, you can do it either way, the windows box sharing the printer (linux gets at it via Samba), or the linux 'puter shares it via samba to the windows machine.
[02:34] <Agent_bob> cups
[02:34] <Agent_bob> !printer
[02:34] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:34] <SilentDis> thomas__: Agent_bob is right, cups works great too
[02:34] <thomas__> SilentDis: cups? The printer is on my windows machine
[02:35] <thomas__> SilentDis: and I have a lan
[02:35] <Agent_bob> move it  :)
[02:35] <dmgubuntu> Hi
[02:35] <NickPresta> Hi dmgubuntu, welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:36] <BluesKaj> thomas__,yes  cups is the way to go , run the printer wizard in system settings/printers
[02:36] <dmgubuntu> I am trying to dual boot kubuntu with windows. Can some recommend partition sizes? I would like to have a shared partition for c: and /home
[02:37] <SilentDis> thomas__: then you'd share the printer in windows the way you'd normally do so.  in kubuntu, make sure samaba is installed (sudo aptitude install samba), then Kmenu > System Settings > Printers > Add > Printer > SMB Shared printer :)
[02:37] <dmgubuntu> Oh I have 80GB
[02:37] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Windows XP?
[02:37] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: yes
[02:37] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: sorry. should have said so.
[02:37] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: windows for gaming?
[02:38] <dmgubuntu> The person I'm setting it up for isn't ready to make the complete switch
[02:38] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: no apologies necessary.  i have *some* experience with this, having set it up for others, they all tend to end up living in linux though lol
[02:38] <Agent_bob> dmgubuntu linux system needs about 3g min.   6g is plenty     home needs as much as you will use.     but your home needs to be on a real file system   not that M$ crap they call a file system
[02:38] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: I believe a little gaming will probably occur
[02:39] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: depending on the games... 30-40gb for windows.
[02:39] <dmgubuntu> Agent_bob: understood
[02:39] <BluesKaj> yeah , I dual boot for scanning reasons only , otherwise windows would be history on this pc
[02:39] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: oh that's a lot
[02:39] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: i have tons of space, so i may not be the best example here... lol
[02:40] <dmgubuntu> Does anyone have a minimum partition size for XP?
[02:40] <newbi> Agent_bob: the tuto to install the webcam didnt work how do i install the drivers for linux
[02:40] <newbi> ?
[02:40] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Windows got 20g main, 25g Fat32.  Linux got 90gb for /, and another 200gb for /home, and 10gb for swap lmao
[02:41] <Agent_bob> newbi i don't have a webcam  sorry.
[02:41] <newbi> how to install my webcam trust wb-5400 on kubuntu?it's usb :/ stdin
[02:41] <newbi> Tm_T: ^^
[02:41] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Windows XP will live comfortably for a long while in 10-15gb space.  minimums hover right around 7-10gb to keep it usable
[02:41] <BluesKaj> yeah I run 25g for windows but I don't do any media dvd stuff on it so there's plenty of room
[02:41] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: nobody ever taught you the term "overkill" did they? :)
[02:41] <BluesKaj>  10G for swap ?  .what a waste :)
[02:42] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: lmao.  never mind the 1TB raid array i turn on when i video edit lol
[02:42] <Agent_bob> "Linux got 90gb for /"  <<< you wasted 85g right there
[02:42] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: sounds lovely. And here I am with an 80GB laptop to work with. :(
[02:42] <BluesKaj> as if anyone needs 1tb even for video
[02:43] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: 4 300gb full height 300gb scsi ultra-wide 2 drives.  it screams, and shakes the floor with how noisy it is.  10krpm all the way lol
[02:43] <BluesKaj> good for bragging rights tho :)
[02:43] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: you'd think that... but /tmp is in /, and video editing does use it.
[02:44] <dmgubuntu> BluesKaj: and then some
[02:44] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: it's REALLY nice to have uncompressed mpegs of 2hrs long sitting there, makes it quick lol
[02:44] <Agent_bob> SilentDis that's not system space that's tmp space.   you could put tmp on a 80g partition   :)
[02:44] <BluesKaj> I just burn the stuff to dvd ...why bother storing it
[02:45] <newbi> how d i check wat is conected to my usb ports?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> system menu /media
[02:45] <BluesKaj> or lsusb
[02:45] <dmgubuntu> Okay so seriously... how about 15GB
[02:45] <Agent_bob> let me explain why.   the fs used(written to) the most is usually the first to give trubble, and you would rather that not be the root fs
[02:46] <dmgubuntu> and then 10 for kubuntu
[02:46] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: it's a 'job' for me.  i rip old home videos and such (wedding footage from 8mm, beta, vhs, etc) in highest quality i can achieve, then convert it to a DVD.  it's nice to just have it all there to work on.  yes, it's overkill, but i'll never 'run it out' as it were, and the drives were dirt cheap on ebay :)
[02:46] <dmgubuntu> and the rest as shared space
[02:46] <BluesKaj> SilentDis, do you use tovid and avidemux?
[02:47] <newbi> BluesKaj: if lsusb in the konsole doesnt see my webcam that mean its not install or not workin good?
[02:48] <dmgubuntu> Everybody: thoughts please... 15GB for XP, 10GB for kubuntu, 2GB swap and the rest for a shared patition for music/photos etc.
[02:48] <BluesKaj> newbi, try relogging in with the usb device connected
[02:48] <BluesKaj> then do lsusb
[02:48] <Agent_bob> dmgubuntu should work
[02:48] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: as needed, yes.  unfortunatly, my vid cap card doesn't work under linux (ATI card, and i just haven't gotten around to it), so that's one thing that i still do mostly in windows :(
[02:49] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: how much memory is in the system to begin with?
[02:49] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: 7.5GB for Kubuntu, the rest as ext3 as Linux /home
[02:49] <dmgubuntu> 80GB
[02:50] <Agent_bob> memory  !=  hd space    heh
[02:50] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: so ... || 15GB XP || 7.5GB Linux / || 2GB swap || ext3 Linux /home ||
[02:50] <dmgubuntu> oops 2GB
[02:50] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: laptop?
[02:51] <dmgubuntu> correct
[02:51] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: do you care about hibernation?
[02:51] <Agent_bob> i have  mem
[02:51] <Agent_bob> Memory Used/Total Percent: 10/91 MB (10%)
[02:51] <Agent_bob> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[02:51] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: I'd go with mneptok's suggestion there.  15gb for XP, ~7GB for /, 2gb swap, ~15gb /home.  no need for an extra fat32, you can access ext3 in windows, and linux can access everything anyway :)
[02:51] <dmgubuntu> does it matter whether I care about hibernation. It's iffy with Linux anyway. I mean at least in my experience. sometimes it hibernates sometimes it pretneds to hibernate and won't wake up
[02:52] <mneptok> Agent_bob: if you want your laptop to hibernate, physical RAM must </= swap
[02:52] <BluesKaj> SilentDis, dunno if yer interested but if you have an ATI here's a tutorial you might try :http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[02:52] <Agent_bob> mneptok this isn't a lappy
[02:52] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: nvidia vid card, ATI capture card ;)
[02:52] <mneptok> Agent_bob: dmgubuntu's is.
[02:52] <dmgubuntu> Agent_bob: the machine I'm asking about is a lappy
[02:53] <dmgubuntu> jinx
[02:53] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: as soon as i get around to it, it'll be a hauppauge vid cap card... and i KNOW it'll work in linux :)
[02:53] <Agent_bob> then you need actually about 10k more swap than ram    but who is counting...
[02:53] <BluesKaj> oh sorry SilentDis ...i have a tv wonder pro , got it working with tvtime
[02:54] <dmgubuntu> Now where was I... so /home is accesible on XP? I did a clean switch a couple of years ago.
[02:54] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: http://fs-driver.sf.net
[02:54] <flake> how do i get audio on qemu, trying to run win98 on ubuntu
[02:54] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: hmm... damn you, i didn't wanna do any 'projects' today... *starts working on getting the cap card working in linux*
[02:54] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[02:55] <dmgubuntu> first url gets 404
[02:55] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: there's a windows driver that'll let you read/write to an ext2 file system (it can read/write ext3 as well, but i'd recommend disabling the write ability, for fear of mucking the journal)
[02:55] <francois> hey, someone mistakenly associated USB drivers with digikam, how do i disassociate it ?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> dmgubuntu, try ntfs-3g and ntfs-config
[02:55] <dmgubuntu> read only. Got it!
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-3g
[02:56] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:56] <francois> sry, i meant drives. not drivers, haha
[02:56] <Kr4t05> Does anyone think that you really should bother having a swap as large as 2GB?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-config
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-config - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !info ntfs-config
[02:56] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[02:56] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: personal opinion here... I have read access to NTFS from linux, and read access to ext3 from windows.  I can't write, but usually reading is enough :)
[02:56] <dmgubuntu> so I need drivers for windows and linux to read ext3 and ntfs respectively?
[02:57] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Ubuntu can read NTFS w/o problem.
[02:57] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: no driver needed then? Or did I miss something?
[02:57] <Agent_bob> just mount it ro and go
[02:57] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: it's just writing to NTFS that needs a special driver.  Windows needs the ext2 driver to read/write to an ext2/3 partition.  again, i caution against writing, but that's just me and my opinion :)
[02:58] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: got it.
[02:58] <dmgubuntu> Thanks a bunch
[02:58] <dmgubuntu> all
[03:01] <Agent_bob> which would be easier to learn perl python C  ?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> yeah , i don't much like writing to linux from windows so I dropped the ext2/3 driver from XP
[03:03] <Agent_bob> no comment eh,   maybe i should stick with sh
[03:03] <hydrogen> well
[03:03] <hydrogen> thats kind of a crazy question
[03:04] <hydrogen> because the real answer is ruby
[03:04] <Jucato> ...
[03:04] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:04] <Agent_bob> sorry should have included that
[03:05] <Agent_bob> which would be easier to learn  RUBY perl python or C  ?
[03:05] <Jucato> knowing your love for bash, you might find perl to be the easiest... :P
[03:05] <Agent_bob> yeah.
[03:05] <hydrogen> no
[03:05] <BluesKaj> ruby on rails ?
[03:05] <hydrogen> perl is never easy
[03:05] <Jucato> knowing your love for shells, you might find perl to be the easiest... :P
[03:06] <Jucato> you definitely don't know Agent_bob yet :)
[03:06] <Agent_bob> lol
[03:06] <BluesKaj> no matter , any of those lingos is greek to me :)
[03:07] <Jucato> don't you mean geek to you? :)
[03:07] <BluesKaj> well,  geek greek then
[03:08] <Agent_bob> yeah it's all geek to me too
[03:08] <Agent_bob> [ bb -o ! bb ]
[03:09] <hydrogen> you can't tell me that this code is nice and easy to learn
[03:09] <hydrogen> -ap056 @Q=map$_^($_^=v0 x3)^lc=~y/aeiouy//.v47.s/\w/$&/g,$_,@F;$_="@F"&"\x7f"x60;s/[^.] {3}$/^I^I^I/;s!.+!$#Q $&
[03:09] <hydrogen> @Q[0..split]
[03:09] <hydrogen> !;y/\0^I/ ./;s/ +(.*\S) */:^I$1/g
[03:09] <BluesKaj> got this scsi 4.5G drive with a 50 pin connector...anyway of using my promise ultra card to add it to wifeys old HP Pavilion celeron ?
[03:09] <Agent_bob> easy to learn    maybe    nice  no.
[03:11] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj not unless you can come up with an addapter,    or i don't think so any way
[03:12] <BluesKaj> yeah , need to go from 50 on the drive to 40 on the card
[03:12] <Agent_bob> what you need is a card and cable
[03:12] <Agent_bob> i think i may have one.... let me look
[03:13] <BluesKaj> i have a promise ultra card
[03:13] <Agent_bob> no i guess i let it go with some other scsi stuff
[03:13] <BluesKaj> 2-40 pins conns tho
[03:14] <Agent_bob> but that's not scsi
[03:14] <Agent_bob> i did have an scsi card with 50 pin comb on it.    can't find it now.
[03:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, maybe a call to ratshack is in order
[03:15] <Agent_bob> actyally had two.  one isa and one pci  .....
[03:17] <Agent_bob> ah ha.   found the box that stuff went out in...   don't have them any more.
[03:19] <BluesKaj> well, wifeys HDD is almost full and she won't switch to linux ... her fav solitaire game isn't available in Linux, and the graphics in wine are awful
[03:19] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj but if you can find an ultra wide scsi interface card (i like aic7800 series) some of them have both the 50 pin comb and the 80 contact plug on them.     really expands the hd capacity of older boxen
[03:20] <BluesKaj> right on ...I'll look for one on ebay :)
[03:21] <Agent_bob> or usb external drives...  slower but work.
[03:23] <Agent_bob> i have a question.   how can a cpu be 550mhz k6   in one box   take it out and plug it into another box and it becomes 350mhz k6-ii   ???
[03:23] <Agent_bob> if i hadent seen it i would call a man a lier for saying it...
[03:23] <Agent_bob> hadn
[03:23] <Agent_bob> 't
[03:24] <Agent_bob> !enter | me
[03:24] <ubotu> me: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:24] <Jucato> duh...
[03:24] <Jucato> the bot doesn't know anything about pronouns or mental cases :)
[03:24] <hydrogen> < !enter
[03:24] <Jucato> hahah
[03:24] <hydrogen> thats a valid shell construct
[03:24] <Agent_bob> but i'm trying to teach it about one of them Jucato
[03:25] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:25] <hydrogen> hmm
[03:25] <hydrogen> !enter | HEY YOU
[03:25] <ubotu> HEY YOU: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:26] <NickPresta> !botabuse
[03:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:26] <NickPresta> =P
[03:26] <hydrogen> that wasn't abusing the bot
[03:26] <hydrogen> that was telling you not to type that in and press enter!
[03:26] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | ubotu what is the real reason you are here?
[03:26] <ubotu> ubotu what is the real reason you are here?: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:26] <Agent_bob> that is  ^
[03:26] <hydrogen> humm
[03:27] <Jucato> tsk tsk....
[03:27] <ImDale> Anyone using sound-recorder to record fm radio through a soundcard mic jack?
[03:28] <Agent_bob> ImDale have used audacity to record line0 before...   why do you ask ?
[03:29] <ImDale> sound-recorder is coredumping on file size.
[03:29] <ImDale> Talk show is about 4 hours long, and it dumps at 3:22 minutes
[03:30] <Agent_bob> 3.3 minutes... ?   </blinks>   i was recording 90 minute tapes...
[03:30] <ImDale> I'm running sound-recorder as a root cron job onto an ext3 file system that holds DVD sixes ISOs just fine.
[03:30] <ImDale> um, 3 hours, 22 minutes.
[03:30] <garfield_> is trust webcams good?
[03:31] <Agent_bob> yeah that's what im saying.  file size, on a 3.3 minute rec, is not the issue.  must be something else.
[03:33] <ImDale> Looks like it's coring at around 1GB file size
[03:34] <ImDale> Sorry, no, 2.1GB
[03:34] <Biovore> oh.. some filesystems can't handle files over that size..
[03:34] <Agent_bob> 2.1g for 3 minutes of sound ???    bloat!
[03:34] <elvin_> ass
[03:34] <ImDale> not 3 minutes, 3 hours ;)
[03:34] <Biovore> still kinda big..
[03:35] <Biovore> raw wav?
[03:35] <ImDale> Yes, raw wav
[03:35] <Agent_bob> yeah. must be raw and high bit rate
[03:35] <Biovore> yeah..
[03:35] <Biovore> record to flac :-P
[03:35] <ImDale> Default fir sound recorder is CD quality, I think
[03:37] <ImDale> sound-recorder only outputs wav/pcm/cdr/ima3/ima4/ima5 ... I have no clue what any of them are but wav
[03:37] <ImDale> Know of any good places to learn about the very basics about this?
[03:38] <garfield_> the heck with trust webcam i'm carriyng it back to the store >_< i cant even use it on xp
[03:40] <ImDale> What's a good command line tool to do recording to flac or ogg?
[03:43] <Agent_bob> sox    rec -t ogg      maybe ?
[03:53] <garfield_> i need help to install my webcam "trust wb-5400"
[04:03] <Warbo> Hi, what tool can I use to configure compiz fusion in KDE (gutsy)? The settings I have in gconf (through compizconfig) aren't used when running in KDE with "compiz --replace"
[04:04] <Jucato> !compiz-fusion
[04:04] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:06] <Warbo> Jucato, OK thanks (I didn't know which room to join, #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-effects. #kubuntu is first alphabetically :P )
[04:06] <Jucato> hahah
[04:06] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 is for gutsy
[04:08] <garfield_> Jucato: do u know how to install drivers for webcams?
[04:08] <Jucato> nope...
[04:09] <garfield_> Jucato: how do i check to see what drivers my linux have allready?
[04:09] <garfield_> im going to cary back the webcam it sucks
[04:09] <Jucato> !webcam
[04:09] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:12] <ImDale> hrrmm... found  blog where a guys doing htis very thing and sox core dumps at the same recording length - 3 hours 22 minutes.
[04:15] <Warbo> Crisis averted. Turns out Compiz Config was working fine but the settings had all been reset :)
[04:17] <Jucato> lovely :)
[04:20] <Agent_bob> no this mussent be...    my tape drive is k'put
[04:21] <Agent_bob> !
[04:21] <gustavo> :)
[04:22] <Agent_bob> while i would much prefer laugh as cry,  this is hardly funny.
[04:22] <Agent_bob> i have work yet to do
[04:23] <Doctor_Nick> house
[04:23] <Doctor_Nick> horse
[04:24] <Agent_bob> gad'zuk  i am undone.
[04:39] <thomas__>  can't get samba working............I want use my windows networked printer
[04:44] <lewix> how do I change my password
[04:45] <NickPresta> lewix, K Menu > System Settings > About Me > Change Password
[04:45] <lewix> NickPresta, from the cmd
[04:46] <Jucato> passwd
[04:46] <Jucato> man passwd to be sure of the options
[04:47] <thomas__>  can't get samba working............I want use my windows networked printer
[04:48] <NickPresta> thomas__, you have to be more descriptive than that. What isn't working? What have you tried?
[04:49] <thomas__> NickPresta: I've tried to go through the system setting - printers and adding a printer
[04:50] <thomas__> but don't know how to configure it properly, I've read documents but
[04:50] <thomas__> NickPresta: still having trouble, can u help?
[04:52] <ubuntu> hi
[04:52] <ubuntu> sup everyone?
[04:52] <NickPresta> thomas__, I use samba to print to m windows printer (printer connected into a windows system)
[04:53] <NickPresta> thomas__, essentially I just followed the Add Printer/Class wizard. It worked on the first try.
[04:53] <ubuntu> i cant' figure out the commands for mountain
[04:53] <ubuntu> i tryed /
[04:53] <thomas__> huh kubuntu  to windows?
[04:53] <ubuntu> and nothing
[04:54] <Biovore> mount command?
[04:54] <ubuntu> ya mount command
[04:54] <Jucato> mountain...
[04:54] <ubuntu> so i can install
[04:54] <ubuntu> lol
[04:54] <Biovore> mount what?
[04:54] <Jucato> what are you trying to install?
[04:54] <ubuntu> free bsd
[04:54] <ubuntu> i also use kububuntu
[04:54] <Biovore> freebsd is an operating system
[04:54] <ubuntu> i know it is
[04:54] <ubuntu> they all are
[04:55] <Biovore> boot from the disk
[04:55] <ubuntu> i did that
[04:55] <ubuntu> i need too know
[04:55] <NickPresta> !enter | ubuntu
[04:55] <ubotu> ubuntu: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:55] <Jucato> !mount
[04:55] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:55] <ubuntu> ahh ok i have g parted on disk
[04:55] <Jucato> ubuntu: see that ^^^ but I'm guessing you'll get more assistance in #freebsd
[04:56] <thomas__> NickPresta: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/printing/C/printing.html#network    it s ays to go to global settings but I can't find it
[04:56] <ubuntu> ya i see that
[04:56] <ubuntu> thanks ill go there then
[04:57] <NickPresta> thomas__, perhaps that is only in Ubuntu and not in Kubuntu
[04:57] <thomas__> NickPresta: so heeelpppppp
[04:58] <tzanger> good evening -- is there a recommended way to "bootstrap" a kubuntu install similar to debootstrap?
[04:58] <NickPresta> thomas__, as I said. You can try the Add Printer Wizard found in System Settings > Printer
[04:58] <ubuntu> um problem
[04:59] <ubuntu> how i change nickname?
[04:59] <NickPresta> ubuntu, /nick nickname
[05:00] <thomas__> NickPresta: in kubuntu?
[05:00] <NickPresta> thomas__, yessir. Kmenu > System Settings > Printer > Add > Add Printer/Class
[05:01] <thomas__> NickPresta: so the host would be like what
[05:01] <thomas__> NickPresta: 192........
[05:02] <Warbo> tzanger, you can use debootstrap :) Any K/Ubuntu differences don't matter at such a basic level (ie. it only matters when desktop packages get installed)
[05:03] <tzanger> Warbo: hmm
[05:03] <naknomik> Is there a way to play wma files on Kubuntu?
[05:03] <tzanger> so once I have a debian basic basic install, hwo do I kubuntu-ize it?  I imagine I replace the sources list for apt, but what do I start installing?
[05:03] <ubuntu__> hey
[05:04] <Jucato> !w32codecs | naknomik
[05:04] <ubotu> naknomik: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:04] <NickPresta> thomas__, when I select "Add Printer/Class", I then select SMB Shared Printer as my backend, Anonymous account, I press scan and find the workgroup that has the printer. I then select it.
[05:04] <Warbo> tzanger, use debootstrap from an Ubuntu repository, then it will install a minimal Ubuntu system directly, no Debian, and then you just need to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:04] <Jucato> tzanger: it will be almost like downloading and installing Kubuntu in the first place. but you're doing twice the work
[05:05] <ubuntu__> sup
[05:06] <tzanger> Warbo: aha
[05:06] <tzanger> I'm still getting the hang of package managers (10 years on slackware) :-)
[05:06] <Warbo> tzanger, you would do something like "debootstrap feisty /my-feisty-system"
[05:06] <Warbo> tzanger, (that is just an example folder, obviously)
[05:07] <tzanger> indeed
[05:07] <thomas__> NickPresta: it didn't find anything after I scanned
[05:11] <dotz> hi what do i need to play mp4 files?
[05:12] <dotz> !mp4
[05:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:14] <dotz> helppp how to play mp4 files
[05:14] <daedalus__> anyone willing to help with an error in the wireless.h library?
[05:14] <juacom99> bye people
[05:16] <dotz> what package/codec i need to play mp4?
[05:17] <Jucato> dotz: have you tried libxine-extracodecs?
[05:18] <marx2k> So... how does one take a screenshot in KDE?
[05:18] <dotz> yeah i had that to play mp3s
[05:26] <droach> anyone know of any good open source projects to join
[05:26] <Hirvinen> droach: What are you interested in?
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> freecol :)
[05:27] <thomas__> NickPresta: what if I can't find the printer model?
[05:27] <Hirvinen> droach: Contribute to a project that you like or find interesting.
[05:27] <droach> something in python
[05:28] <saroset> Are there any photoshop like tools?
[05:28] <Dragnslcr> !info gimp
[05:28] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.3 (feisty), package size 2901 kB, installed size 7920 kB
[05:28] <saroset> Ty, Dragnslcr
[05:29] <Jucato> droach: *buntu loves creating utilities using python :)
[05:29] <Jucato> you could say that Ubuntu has a romantic relationship with python
[05:29] <droach> but you have to be a motu to even get noticed
[05:29] <Jucato> er...
[05:30] <Jucato> motu's don't sprout from nowhere. all of them started somewhere, not as motu's :)
[05:30] <droach> i want to get in a project thats young.
[05:30] <cai> how to do ?
[05:30] <Jucato> cai: do what?
[05:30] <cai> what sould i do here?
[05:30] <Jucato> !kubuntu | cai
[05:30] <ubotu> cai: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[05:31] <cai> my nvidia8400 doesn't work
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> you did install the nvidia drivers yet?
[05:33] <cai> yes i did
[05:33] <cai> but it doesn't work after reboot
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> so whats 'not working'
[05:34] <JimmyDee> define not working
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> black screen? console screen? no login screen?
[05:34] <cai> screen found,but none have a usable configuration
[05:34] <JimmyDee> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select your video card
[05:34] <JimmyDee> driver
[05:35] <cai> i did it,butalso failed
[05:35] <JimmyDee> and a suitable resolutoin
[05:35] <cai> i have installed the 14.19 drive ,the lateset
[05:39] <GuHHH> hi! anyone knows a good site for security? and a good site to implemente secure services, with tutorials?
[05:40] <Jucato> !security
[05:40] <ubotu> If you feel the need to adopt security measures for your system, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server
[05:41] <JimmyDee> isnt xserver inherently insecure?
[05:48] <dave> Hi sorry to be a painful newb but I've just switched to kde from gnome and I can't figure out how to install new themes. In gnome you drag and drop them. But it doesn't look like you can do that in kde... any help?
[05:50] <dave> Hello
[05:51] <dave> echo...
[05:51] <dave> echo...
[05:51] <Jucato> !changethemes | dave
[05:51] <ubotu> dave: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[05:51] <Jucato> !patience | dave
[05:51] <ubotu> dave: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:51] <dave> No worries Jucato I just thought I was alone
[05:51] <Jucato> you were
[05:51] <Jucato> I just came back
[05:52] <dave> Sorry
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> kde themes are a bit more complex.
[05:52] <Jucato> :)
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> There used to be a bot factoid with a link to some very good info.. but i cant rember it.
[05:53] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: look up? :)
[05:53] <Jucato> dave: no need to say sorry. I just came back. so before that. you were with ghosts :)
[05:53] <dave> Dr_Willis: yeah I noticed... I tried looking in the help but it appears undocumented.
[05:54] <dave> Jucato: I guess I'm just used to the bustle of activity in the Ubuntu channel
[05:54] <Jucato> um... it is documented... :/
[05:54] <dave> Jucato: I couldn't see anything about it in the help.
[05:55] <Jucato> it's in the User Guide..
[05:55] <dave> Jucato: might be new user blindness though
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> there are several kde theme packages and parts in the repos - not isntalled by default
[05:57] <dave> Dr_Willis: I'm looking for a nice dark theme.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> check out kde-look.org i guess. :0
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive yet to see very many nice dark themes.
[05:57] <marx2k> Whats the name of the app that has the 'bouncy icons on the taskbar'?
[05:57] <dave> Dr_Willis: Yeah I found a couple but I just don't know how to install them.
[05:58] <dave> AWN
[05:58] <dave> marx2k: I believe you are talking about Avant Window Navigator
[05:58] <marx2k> Ok
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> kde 'themes' are parts that are compozed of the window decoration, icons,  widget sets, and.. somthing else :)  in most cases the parts need to be installes/compiled seperately.
[05:59] <saizai___> weird rootkit-like directory hiding from using d4x: http://pastie.caboo.se/99284
[05:59] <marx2k> And does that require special graphics processing or can it be run with the default ATI/NVidia drivers without composting?
[05:59] <dave> Dr_Willis: Ah...
[05:59] <dave> Jucato: I'm looking at the page between chats
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> dave,  its not just a 'drag/drop' operation in many cases.
[05:59] <dave> Jucato: you need to have patience too :)
[06:00] <Jucato> heh
[06:00] <Jucato> actuallythe pointing was for Dr_Willis
[06:00] <Jucato> in case he was still looking for that "factoid" or info
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> I know how to install them. :)
[06:00] <Jucato> [11:52]  <Dr_Willis> There used to be a bot factoid with a link to some very good info.. but i cant rember it.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> wonders how all this will change with kde4. if at all. Of course I just use the plastik theme.
[06:01] <Jucato> anyway... gone...
[06:01] <Jucato> Plastik or Plastique :)
[06:02] <dave> Themes are just small problems anyway
[06:03] <dave> I need to get a few other things working yet. But I think the guys I bought the machine off will help me with those
[06:07] <Keaton> I recently had to reconfigure my X configuration and reinstall my Nvidia drivers, and now that I've done so Open GL has stopped working altogether.
[06:07] <Keaton> Any advice?
[06:09] <WaltzingAlong> Keaton: check the config file and the log   /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:09] <Keaton> What exactly am I looking for?
[06:10] <WaltzingAlong> Keaton: in the log look for lines starting with (EE) marking errors. in the conf file look for "nvidia" as the driver in the device section (or maybe you see "nv" or "vesa" instead)
[06:11] <Keaton> I'll take a look.
[06:11] <Keaton> Thanks
[06:20] <daSkreech> Jucato: Quiet tonight
[06:21] <WaltzingAlong> apparently some of the regulars got the new version of outSide today
[06:24] <daSkreech> they released an update to outside?
[06:25] <daSkreech> I hear it's hotter than it was before
[06:26] <WaltzingAlong> daSkreech: apparently there are fluxuations daily
[06:26] <WaltzingAlong> stable release but with variations nonetheless
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> i haven't used it in a while, myself...lol
[06:27] <purpleposeidon> daSkreech: global warming
[06:27] <daSkreech> purpleposeidon: astute
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> so is my beachfront property in the artic a good investment, then?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> :P
[06:28] <daSkreech> Yep Better than Beach front in Florida
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:30] <purpleposeidon> subtle.
[06:32] <daSkreech> apt-get upgrade outside
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> daSkreech: hmm, wonder what repo that's in
[06:33] <mindcry> hello
[06:33] <daSkreech> I would hope it's in the universe
[06:33] <mindcry> anyone get problem with bluetooth dialup?
[06:34] <daSkreech> What kind of problems?
[06:34] <daSkreech> Not like I know what you are talking about :)
[06:37] <_2> well i think the failing hd was and over heat issue...
[06:37] <mindcry> im using gprs to connect to internet
[06:37] <mindcry> using bluetooth - nokia 6600
[06:38] <Jucato> wow! I couldn't do IRC when I did that
[06:38] <mindcry> and my nokia working as a modem
[06:38] <Jucato> same phone :)
[06:38] <ek_arc> Hey. Anyone familiar with errors occuring while trying to apt-get Alien?
[06:38] <mindcry> i do
[06:38] <mindcry> im currently using xp
[06:38] <Jucato> yeah my telco doesn't allow it...
[06:38] <mindcry> i already install kubuntu here
[06:38] <mindcry> :D
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: what kind of errors?
[06:39] <mindcry> but i cant get to internet without connecting bluetooth to nokia6600 as modem
[06:39] <mindcry> there is no bluetooth dialup option
[06:39] <ek_arc> hitman: When prompted to continue (y/n), I am asked to insert the Kubuntu install CD.
[06:39] <Jucato> mindcry: in Kubuntu?
[06:40] <ek_arc> When doing so, it just keeps repeating the request.
[06:40] <mindcry> yes
[06:40] <mindcry> :D
[06:40] <mindcry> in kubuntu
[06:40] <daSkreech> !bluetooth
[06:40] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: ok, you need to remove the cd as a repo
[06:40] <mindcry> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup
[06:40] <ek_arc> Ahh
[06:40] <ek_arc> How would I go about that?
[06:40] <Jucato> mindcry: yeah that's what I used
[06:40] <ek_arc> Sorry, still relatively new to linux.
[06:40] <mindcry> im already doing that
[06:40] <mindcry> :D
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:41] <Jucato> mindcry: ok.. I thought you said there's no Bluetooth DUN in Kubuntu
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: that file lists all the repos your system uses
[06:41] <mindcry> but some application was not installed yet
[06:41] <mindcry> i follow the instruction
[06:41] <mindcry> but still get some problem: software is not installed or unknown command
[06:42] <mindcry> example gedit
[06:42] <Jucato> mindcry: er... gedit is a GNOME/Ubuntu app
[06:42] <Jucato> of course it wouldn't be installed
[06:42] <_2> are we allowed to say DUN ?    i thought M$ patented that acronym or something...
[06:42] <mindcry> how to get it with kde?
[06:42] <ek_arc> Sorry whats the command to look in that particular directory again? bash is saying persmission denied.
[06:42] <Jucato> mindcry: replace "gksu gedit" with "kdesu kate"
[06:43] <mindcry> im a newbie in linux
[06:43] <mindcry> :D
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> daSkreech: eh...honestly never use it so not sure exactly how off the top of my head
[06:43] <mindcry> ahhhh
[06:43] <mindcry> got it
[06:43] <daSkreech> hitmanWilly: ok
[06:43] <mindcry> i write a note for it
[06:43] <mindcry> and what about permission?
[06:43] <Jucato> what permission?
[06:43] <_2> !tab | ek_arc check the dir name with the tab key.
[06:43] <ubotu> ek_arc check the dir name with the tab key.: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:43] <Jucato> _2: dunno don't care. DUN is DUN :)
[06:43] <_2> :)
[06:44] <ek_arc> Ah okay. Is there a particular prefix I need to use to look at this particular file?
[06:44] <mindcry> im getting error on write some files in etc
[06:44] <ek_arc> In the repo sources list?
[06:44] <_2> ls
[06:45] <ek_arc> Ah yes
[06:45] <ek_arc> I knew that...
[06:45] <mindcry> need a root login to do that
[06:45] <_2> that's lowercase LS
[06:45] <ek_arc> Im working my away around most of the basic commands :\
[06:45] <ek_arc> :P
[06:45] <_2> !kdesu | mindcry
[06:45] <ubotu> mindcry: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:45] <daSkreech> !root| mindcry
[06:45] <ubotu> mindcry: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:45] <Jucato> mindcry: just use sudo. the instructions in that page are correct
[06:45] <Jucato> except for the gksudo part
[06:45] <mindcry> cool
[06:46] <mindcry> i log this conversation
[06:46] <mindcry> thx alot with your help
[06:46] <mindcry> :)
[06:46] <mindcry> im just intalled it yesterday though
[06:46] <mindcry> still a new new newbie here
[06:46] <mindcry> :) lol
[06:47] <_2> !enter
[06:47] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:47] <ek_arc> ls /etc/apt/sources.list isnt returning anything, though, am I leaving something out? I doing this as root.
[06:48] <_2> ek_arc should return the file name
[06:48] <ek_arc> Ah, which it did. I was expecting a list of some sort.
[06:48] <_2> if you want to view the content use less
[06:48] <mindcry> well guys, do i need to install bluez in my kubuntu?
[06:49] <_2> ek_arc also if you need to edit it,  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:50] <daSkreech> mindcry: I don't know but in Gutsy it's auto there
[06:51] <daSkreech> I think I turned it off in mine because I will never use it
[06:51] <ek_arc> Ah yes, deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release i386 (20070417)] / feisty main restricted
[06:51] <ek_arc> So im removing this?
[06:51] <_2> prepend   #
[06:52] <_2> that comments it out.   the info is still there but apt wont use it.
[06:52] <daSkreech> ek_arc: put a # at the start of the line
[06:52] <ek_arc> Ah, right.
[06:52] <daSkreech> That "comments" it. The parser will ignore it
[06:52] <_2> doesn't that what prepend means ?
[06:52] <daSkreech> If you want it back later just take off the #
[06:53] <daSkreech> _2: Yeah but I had typed so far I couldn't be bothered to not press enter
[06:53] <_2> yay for conciseness
[06:55] <daSkreech> +1
[06:55] <ek_arc> Apt-get works, Alien is now installed.
[06:55] <ek_arc> Thanks a lot, youve been a great help.
[06:56] <_2> i hope you know what you are breaking now....
[06:56] <daSkreech> ek_arc: What are you installing?
[06:56] <ek_arc> Flash :P
[06:56] <_2> !flash
[06:56] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> daSkreech: ek_arc that's in the repos
[06:56] <mindcry> thx daSkreech
[06:56] <daSkreech> mindcry: yuuup
[06:57] <ek_arc> Is it now?
[06:57] <ek_arc> Did not know that...
[06:57] <_2> something like flash-plugin-nonfree ???
[06:57] <ek_arc> Google pointed me in the direction of using Alien to convert the .rpm
[06:57] <ek_arc> So thats the path I took :P
[06:58] <ek_arc> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:59] <_2> pfft   one char off.   and i don't do flash.
[07:00] <ek_arc> This is mainly just so I can use YouTube and other flash based video deals
[07:01] <daSkreech> !flash | ek_arc
[07:01] <ubotu> ek_arc: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:02] <ek_arc> Yep, just installed it video the repos.
[07:02] <ek_arc> via*
[07:02] <ek_arc> Thanks
[07:02] <ek_arc> Ill be off, thanks again for your help.
[07:03] <_2> yw
[07:03] <ek_arc> Take it easy.
[07:05] <_2> i'm about to over heat the hd again.
[07:05] <_2> yeah...
[07:06] <_2> hope i don't let the smoke out of it...
[07:06] <Jucato> smoked bacon's nice
[07:06] <_2> but electronics don't work again after you let the smoke out
[07:06] <daSkreech> You using smoke this time?
[07:06] <_2> they run on smoke   i guess
[07:07] <daSkreech> If you add mirrors they become proprietary
[07:08] <_2> there is a specific amount of magic smoke in all electronic componants, once released the parts fail to function correctly.   maybe it's the smoke that keeps them thinking streight ???
[07:09] <mindcry> how can i play mp3 files? im getting error mp3 not supported
[07:09] <_2> sorry,  old habbits.
[07:09] <mindcry> anyone knows?
[07:09] <daSkreech> !mp3 | mindcry
[07:09] <_2> !ubotu
[07:09] <ubotu> mindcry: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:09] <mindcry> heheheh what "!" refers to?
[07:09] <daSkreech> mindcry: It calls the bot
[07:10] <daSkreech> and before you start
[07:10] <mindcry> ow
[07:10] <daSkreech> ubotu:  tell mindcry  about botabuse
[07:10] <mindcry> !bluetooth
[07:10] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[07:10] <_2> !botsnack | !
[07:10] <ubotu> !: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[07:10] <mindcry> lol
[07:10] <mindcry> yes i have some bot too
[07:10] <mindcry> :D
[07:11] <NightBird> wait... it's all knowing?
[07:11] <mindcry> cool bot you have here
[07:11] <NightBird> !answer to life the universe and everything
[07:12] <_2> !!stats
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <_2> pfft
[07:12] <_2> i'll go back to raising the temp on the hd.
[07:12] <daSkreech> I think I killed one last night
[07:13] <_2> i killed this one yestergo   but it cooled off and still retained the 'smoke'  so i'm not finished with it...
[07:14] <_2> i get a bunch of
[07:14] <_2> ldconfig: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 is not a symbolic link
[07:15] <_2> maybe i should look into that ?
[07:16] <_2> i hate 'scrollkeeper'  it makes installing or removing anything so slow...
[07:17] <_2> well that and   gconf   both togather really slow it down.
[07:18] <holyguyver> I have a computer manufactured in 2004 by fry's electronics GQ brand & I installed Kubuntu on it, yet every time it is running for longer then 10 minutes it slows down to acrawl where it will take about 20 minutes to start up any application, does anyone know what might be wrong with it?
[07:19] <kkathman> holyguyver:  have you run a TOP on it to see?
[07:19] <holyguyver> what is a top?
[07:20] <_2> yeah sounds like a memory leak.
[07:20] <kkathman> holyguyver:  try starting a konsole session, then type    top    and watch it
[07:20] <holyguyver> Alright thanks :)
[07:20] <_2> but could be a fork loop.     that would be easy to spot
[07:20] <kkathman> when your machine starts slowing down  - take a peek at top and see whats at the top
[07:20] <kkathman> yeah
[07:20] <kkathman> in any case watching it is a good start
[07:20] <kkathman> good luck :)
[07:21] <holyguyver> O it will slow down even if I do not have any programs running & never even started running any programs after startup.
[07:21] <_2> top might not find a fork loop.  just run venella   pstree    to check for that.
[07:21] <kkathman> holyguyver:  yeah that sounds like  it could be several things
[07:22] <holyguyver> & it can't be to any installed programs or mods I made because I just installed Kubuntu on it late yesterday
[07:22] <mindcry> !install
[07:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:22] <kkathman> top would show whether its a disk process, cpu process or memory leak
[07:22] <_2> what release of kubuntu ?
[07:22] <mindcry> !software
[07:22] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[07:22] <holyguyver> 7.04
[07:22] <mindcry> !packages
[07:22] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[07:23] <_2> check for mem leaks  first.    then fork loops   then hung io's
[07:24] <holyguyver> as said it is 7.04, why has any bugs been found in it?
[07:24] <_2> lots
[07:24] <_2> in each release there are lots of bugs found.
[07:24] <daSkreech> mindcry: type /msg ubotu hello
[07:24] <holyguyver> how is the easist way to upgrade it to 7.10
[07:25] <_2> easiest way will wait until it releases
[07:25] <_2> it's not out yet
[07:25] <holyguyver> O :p
[07:25] <holyguyver> I thought it was
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> um
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> not until the 10th month of 2007
[07:26] <holyguyver> I also have 6.06, should I downgreade it to that?
[07:26] <Daisuke-Ido> (hint, that's october :)
[07:26] <holyguyver> I also have 6.06, should I downgreade it to that?
[07:26] <_2> holyguyver you might try dapper and see if it is more stable on that particular hardware...
[07:27] <holyguyver> is dapper 6.06?
[07:27] <_2> yes.     but i don't much think it will be.
[07:27] <_2> !LTS
[07:27] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:27] <_2> dapper is the first LTS release
[07:28] <Jucato> next LTS will be Hardy...
[07:28] <Jucato> I think 6.06.2 will be out soon?
[07:28] <holyguyver> It once had Linspire Linux on it & worked flawlessly, but that was back in 2004/5
[07:29] <_2> Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108.
[07:29] <mindcry> ok bbl guys thx alot for help
[07:29] <mindcry> :D
[07:29] <Jucato> help?
[07:29] <mindcry> for your help
[07:29] <mindcry> :D
[07:29] <mindcry> heheh
[07:29] <holyguyver> !help
[07:29] <mindcry> mistypo
[07:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:30] <_2> "mistypo"   classic.    looks like something i would have said....
[07:30] <_2> :)
[07:30] <holyguyver> !ubotu
[07:30] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:31] <holyguyver> sorry you guys was doing it to me so I thought I would ubotu you guys a few times :-p
[07:31] <_2> ubotu you don't have a brain !
[07:32] <holyguyver> anyway do any of you guys know why linspire worked so well on it, yet Kubuntu is having problems, I mean they are pretty similar distros?
[07:33] <Jucato> the stats page are down...
[07:33] <Jucato> but according to someone else's stats.. yes...
[07:33] <Jucato> holyguyver: similar distros? hardly
[07:33] <holyguyver> they both are debian with KDE
[07:34] <Jucato> also, linspire comes with a lot of proprietary stuff pre-installed
[07:34] <holyguyver> I know this
[07:34] <Jucato> hm.. so are MEPIS, KNOPPIX and Debian.. but they are hardly similar :)
[07:34] <Jucato> nowadays, being based on Debian hardly means being based on Debian :)
[07:34] <holyguyver> I am just saying how come ubuntu is having problems with my PC yet Linspire did not?
[07:35] <Jucato> different setups, different packages, different builds, etc?
[07:35] <_2> why are so many dapper packages broken ?    dpkg: error processing hplip (--configure):
[07:35] <_2>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:35] <_2> seems like i'm for ever fixing a pre/postinst script
[07:35] <Jucato> talk about an ultra stable release :)
[07:36] <Jucato> but knowing you, I hardly blame Dapper :P
[07:36] <_2> Jucato normally i would say thank you for the complement,  but in this case i don't think it's anything i have done.
[07:37] <holyguyver> I just want Kubuntu/or a different linux (now if I try reinstalling inspire it wont even install) to run perfictly well so that I can finish my 3 year migration away from Windows.
[07:38] <holyguyver> I own two working computer a manufactured in 1998 & the 2004/5(can't remember)
[07:39] <holyguyver> right now I am talking from the 1998
[07:39] <Jucato> but times like this, I would suggest sticking to what works
[07:39] <daSkreech> I wanna See LTS -> LTS
[07:40] <Jucato> if that means using something not Kubuntu, then so be it
[07:40] <CrypTom> Hi all, is there a way to tell kde to use the resolution already chosen by the xserver (as it used to be before the upgrade to feisty)? kdm has the correct resolution, but it changes while logging in
[07:41] <daSkreech> !doesnt work | Jucato is bad mouthing other distros!
[07:41] <ubotu> Jucato is bad mouthing other distros!: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:41] <Jucato> daSkreech: wth are you talking about?
[07:41] <jussio1> !fonts
[07:41] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:41] <daSkreech> Jucato: I dunno I'm spleeing and typing
[07:41] <holyguyver> Also another question, after I installed Kubuntu, now every time I try to boot my computer well it is not connected to ethernet it will make a crying sound & not boot at all, & won't stop until I ether unplug the power or plug in the ethernet cable.
[07:42] <Jucato> daSkreech: stop typing
[07:42] <jussio1> Hmmm, anyone know which package it is for chinese fonts?
[07:42] <Jucato> CrypTom: System Settings -> Monitor & Display doesn't work?
[07:43] <holyguyver> Also another question, after I installed Kubuntu, now every time I try to boot my computer well it is not connected to ethernet it will make a crying sound & not boot at all, & won't stop until I ether unplug the power or plug in the ethernet cable.
[07:43] <Agent_bob> jussio1 xfonts-intl-chinese-big xfonts-intl-chinese
[07:43] <jussio1> Agent_bob: thanks :)
[07:43] <CrypTom> Jucato: it does, but i'm using a laptop with 1024x768 and sometimes the dock with external tft with 1280x1024, i hate to change the resolution every time by hand. used to "work" before feisty
[07:44] <Jucato> CrypTom: oh.. not sure about that then...
[07:45] <holyguyver> Anyone have an answer for my second question?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> i just installed *buntu-desktop on this box,  now i can annoy people in any of the ubuntu channels.... :)
[07:46] <GuHHH> Agent_bob: im not using and i do :P
[07:46] <Agent_bob> holyguyver no.  but that sounds typical of ubuntu.
[07:46] <phoenixz> Hi there, recently, when I log on to KDE, kdektop starts taking 100% cpu, until my laptop crashes.. whaat does kdesktop do, and why could it be crashing??
[07:47] <CrypTom> Jucato: kdm chooses the right resolution (I have Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" in my xorg.conf), so it chooses the best possible. but kde remembers the last used resolution and changes back to that
[07:47] <Agent_bob> GuHHH well i hate to not have a cause.
[07:48] <Agent_bob> CrypTom have kde start with an empty session ?
[07:48] <Jucato> CrypTom: I'm not really sure. But I think kdm takes its setting directly from xorg.conf, while KDE uses the user's settings
[07:48] <holyguyver> agent bob incase that annoying thing was about me, I amsorry but that is not my intention, I have only been in this one kubuntu forum, no others & I am only seeking possible salutions to honost problems that pravent my Kubuntu computer from working & keeps me on Windows.
[07:49] <Agent_bob> holyguyver it was not about you.   just ask Jucato,  he can explain.
[07:49] <Jucato> O.o
[07:49] <jussio1> hehe
[07:50] <Jucato> holyguyver: don't worry. sudden outburts from Agent_bob is a common occurrence
[07:50] <Jucato> as for the problem you're having.. no idea..
[07:50] <holyguyver> Alright I will ask him :p
[07:51] <holyguyver> !jucato
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <dale> 1st time on IRC
[07:52] <holyguyver> well ubotu knows nothing about Jucato it seems, even though Ubotu claims to be an "all knowing" infobot
[07:52] <Jucato> yeah ubotu likes to brag
[07:52] <contrast83> !everything
[07:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot.     IRC will ruin you.
[07:53] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: what do you mean by an empty session?
[07:53] <dale> :-)
[07:53] <dale> yahoo messenger already did ruin me
[07:53] <zvtral> hlow
[07:54] <dale> the usual..i got arrested for something I said on yahoo.
[07:54] <zvtral> i want ask about my ubotu
[07:54] <Agent_bob> CrypTom when kde starts, by default it returns everything to how it was when you logged out.   but you can choose to have kde start with an empty session    i.e. not revert any settings nor open any apps that were running when you logged out....
[07:54] <zvtral> whay if i compile perl in ubuntu is always error
[07:54] <holyguyver> !death
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about death - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <Agent_bob> CrypTom it's in  kcontrol.    but i am not sure that it will help with the rez issue.
[07:55] <holyguyver> it seem that ubotu knows about as much on the topic of death as humans do :p
[07:55] <dale> just putting my 2 cents in.. i am really impressed with how well wine is working these days. and kubuntu and ubuntu also.
[07:56] <Daisuke-Ido> maybe because perl is an interpreted language?
[07:56] <Daisuke-Ido> dale: escape the clutches of wine. :)
[07:56] <Agent_bob> holyguyver nah   that dumb bot don't even know what a brain is....   "You can browse my brain at..."     heh.
[07:56] <dale> i havent' found anything to replace judy's tenkey
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> zvtral: and why wouldn't you install perl from the repos?
[07:57] <holyguyver> Anyway back to problem number one, someone said "stick with what works", but now Linspire won't even install on it, so what works...DOS?
[07:57] <zvtral> perl???
[07:57] <zvtral> i do that
[07:57] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: cool, its worth a try
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> [01:57]  <zvtral> whay if i compile perl in ubuntu is always error <-are you compiling perl or not?
[07:58] <zvtral> but if i use in windows by active perl is not any problem that perl running
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> this isn't windows.
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> !repositories
[07:58] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> !packages
[07:58] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> follow your nose
[07:59] <zvtral> ok thx
[07:59] <Agent_bob> oooops   i spoke too soon.   i don't have edubuntu-desktop installed....      ;/   missed one.
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> jucato's following his to a big bag of peruvian bingo dust...
[08:00] <Jucato> Agent_bob: you have a lot to install
[08:00] <Jucato> oh you're on dapper... so they wouldn't be there...
[08:00] <Agent_bob> nah  only need to get 90m
[08:00] <Agent_bob> they ?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> Jucato which "they" ?
[08:01] <dale> is there a quick way to get the option to get gnome available as it is in Ubuntu from Kubuntu..I want the option for either..
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> dale: install ubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> and then you can choose from the login screen
[08:01] <holyguyver> Jucato, so what works on my PC then?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> dale   you might rather install     gnome
[08:01] <dale> will that get me everything.
[08:01] <Jucato> I meant.. mythbuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ichthux-desktop, matchbox-desktop
[08:01] <Jucato> Agent_bob: ^^^
[08:01] <Agent_bob> oh no they aren't avalable in dapper
[08:02] <Jucato> gobuntu-desktop
[08:02] <Daisuke-Ido> Agent_bob: why would you recommend a non-optimized gnome environment, when he asked for "ubuntu" specifically.
[08:02] <Agent_bob> only four reach back to dapper.   x ed k and venella
[08:02] <Jucato> hehe venella :)
[08:02] <holyguyver> :( ...
[08:02] <Jucato> s/optimized/customized/
[08:03] <Jucato> holyguyver: I really don't know...
[08:03] <dale> well..it's time for some sleep.
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> fair enough, Jucato
[08:03] <Jucato> you have to try it out yourself
[08:03] <Agent_bob> Daisuke-Ido no he asked specifically for the option to login into gnome as with ubuntu plus kde
[08:03] <holyguyver> I have tried installing 9 different linux distros on it & so far this is the only one I have gotten to wrk recently.
[08:03] <Jucato> but still doesn't work?
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> i see "as it is in ubuntu" referring to the ubuntu customized release.
[08:04] <Agent_bob> so far recently
[08:04] <Agent_bob> Daisuke-Ido maybe that's because you took it out of context
[08:04] <holyguyver> as said after being on for 10 muntes even if I do not run anything, it becomes very slow to the point of like crashing slow
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> no, no, i don't think i did.
[08:05] <dale> u guys like to argue..i will get it eventually.
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> no, i don't like to argue, really
[08:06] <Daisuke-Ido> and now it's bedtime
[08:06] <dale> have u seen the monty python skit "that's not an arguement it's just a rebuttal..."
[08:06] <Jucato> dale: to make it simple... ubuntu-desktop will install all the default stuff you'd find in a plain Ubuntu install
[08:06] <Jucato> installing the metapackge "gnome" will install all GNOME default stuff, without the Ubuntu stuff
[08:07] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: I changed the resolution back to 1024x768, chose empty session, logged out, rebooted, got the correct kdm resolution 1280.1024, logged in and the res was changed back to 1024x768.
[08:07] <Jucato> dale:  but both will give you a GNOME login option
[08:07] <Agent_bob> dale at any rate.   if you install   ubuntu-desktop   you will get the gnome desktop plus the "ubuntu defaults"   if you install   gnome  you will keep your "kubuntu defaults"  and add the gnome desktop environment       if you want the   ubuntu defaults   by all means install   ubuntu-desktop    if not   then i recommend installing     gnome
[08:07] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: so "empty session" unfortunately does not work
[08:07] <dale> ok..i know that Kubuntu desktop is an option from ubuntu but didn't find the ubuntu desktop option in kubuntu unless you mean sudo apt get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:07] <dale> iwas using synaptic
[08:08] <Jucato> dale: it should be there. and yes, it's ubuntu-desktop
[08:08] <Agent_bob> CrypTom i didn't know if it would clear that or not.    but as you said  "it's worth a try"
[08:08] <dale> ok. that's for later today since it is already friday.
[08:08] <dale> g'morning
[08:09] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: no offense! just a report of a test.
[08:09] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: thanks anyway!
[08:09] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[08:09] <holyguyver> ...well whenever everyone feels like responding to me they may...
[08:10] <Agent_bob> I'M NOT MAD !
[08:10] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:10] <Jucato> !caps | Agent_bob
[08:10] <ubotu> Agent_bob: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:11] <Agent_bob> ok now i'm mad.
[08:11] <Agent_bob> heh.
[08:11] <holyguyver> & a procrastanater too
[08:12] <Agent_bob> so how did the tests turn out holyguyver?   find the cause ?
[08:13] <holyguyver> I can't do the test well I am here talking to you because well I am talking to you this computer is online & as long as this one is online the other one wont even boot
[08:13] <holyguyver> I already said that
[08:13] <Agent_bob> procrast*** ?

[08:14] <holyguyver> So I can't run tops until I get my answers
[08:15] <holyguyver> Now here let me retell you guys the whole story, because you guys obviously did not read it the first time I told you guys
[08:16] <cael> i got macinstalled w/ a 80GB partition , Kubuntu w/ 27gb, 1.4gb swap, and rest set for yaboot
[08:16] <cael> *mac os x
[08:16] <cael> but
[08:16] <cael> howdo i config yaboot for osx and stop osx from being first to boot be4 yaboot
[08:17] <Giorse> alguien de argentina
[08:18] <Jucato> ...
[08:20] <holyguyver> back in 04/05 I bought a computer from Fry's of their brand GQ. it came preinstalled with Linspire, & worked fine. The I tried installing XP on it, woopsie, that didn't go so well, so tried reinstalling Linspire but the install failed, tried a dusion more times, failed, reformat & partisioned the drive with Gpartision a dusion times, but still installs failed. then tired DSLinux, Puppy,...
[08:20] <holyguyver> ...Knoppex, Debian, Ubuntu Exfubuntu, Kbuntu, Opensuisie, all failed. so I let it sit until yesterday when I tried Kubuntu again & it worked, but after 10 minutes it runs very very slow.
[08:22] <Agent_bob> i'd say find the bad hardware and you  have found the problem.   but that's just me.
[08:22] <holyguyver> sounds like windows scewed up my HHD...?
[08:22] <Agent_bob> drop a live CD in and boot to memtest86
[08:23] <holyguyver> does it sound like a screwed up harddrive?
[08:23] <Agent_bob> no.  but if you think it's hd   then boot a live CD and    cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda    assuming hda.
[08:24] <Agent_bob> then badblocks it
[08:24] <holyguyver> the problem is that liveCDs do not like running on it, I normally have to install with the alternitive install CDs
[08:25] <Agent_bob> well live CD's certanly don't fail because of hd issues, now do they
[08:25] <Agent_bob> memtest86
[08:25] <holyguyver> Does GQ have a bad repritation?
[08:25] <Agent_bob> doesn't have any reputation here.
[08:26] <holyguyver> well they are the store's own brand so I mean does that mean that they are junk from the get go, because it has yet to run for a full day in the 3 or 4 years that I have owned it.

[08:28] <holyguyver> Well I do not know hot to do that
[08:28] <Agent_bob> start with the memtest86
[08:28] <holyguyver> no I mean I do not know hot to pull a computer a part
[08:28] <Agent_bob> or should i repete my self ?
[08:28] <Agent_bob> try memtest86
[08:28] <WaltzingAlong> Agent_bob: no you need not
[08:29] <Agent_bob> maybe memtest86 can help
[08:29] <holyguyver> or should I continue to repete myself
[08:29] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:29] <holyguyver> Look I understand that, but if it does need to be pulled apart, I do not know how to do that.
[08:29] <Agent_bob> hey here's a though,   what about memtest86
[08:29] <dsmith_> !beryl
[08:29] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:30] <holyguyver> hey here is a thought grow some ears/eyes & listen/read what I have to say
[08:30] <Agent_bob> ok i'm finished.
[08:30] <Agent_bob> good night folks.    and good luck holyguyver
[08:30] <holyguyver> thanks
[08:31] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: memtest86 comes with the kubuntu livecd. you can select that at boot. it tests your RAM.
[08:32] <holyguyver> why will people not listen to me, I tried memtest on it 3 years ago
[08:32] <holyguyver> it has nothing to do with ram
[08:33] <holyguyver> look, whatever it's problem is, it was caused by winxp
[08:34] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: winxp could not break the drive so that no other system can be installed there
[08:34] <holyguyver> no because winxp couldn't be installed either
[08:34] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: the installer of winxp would do that
[08:35] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: winxp would change the partition table but as per agent_bob's suggestion, one need only write /dev/zero to the disk to get back to square one with it
[08:35] <holyguyver> but before winxp there was one install that worked, & after it none have
[08:35] <holyguyver> I repartisioned in a dusion times as I said.
[08:36] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok and?
[08:36] <holyguyver> & I already told this room this story a dusion times
[08:37] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you have ruled out bad ram, you have ruled out bad partition tables ... what else have you eliminated? what else is left?
[08:37] <holyguyver> here I will just repost the story again
[08:37] <holyguyver> back in 04/05 I bought a computer from Fry's of their brand GQ. it came preinstalled with Linspire, & worked fine. The I tried installing XP on it, woopsie, that didn't go so well, so tried reinstalling Linspire but the install failed, tried a dusion more times, failed, reformat & partisioned the drive with Gpartision a dusion times, but still installs failed. then tired DSLinux, Puppy,...
[08:37] <holyguyver> ...Knoppex, Debian, Ubuntu Exfubuntu, Kbuntu, Opensuisie, all failed. so I let it sit until yesterday when I tried Kubuntu again & it worked, but after 10 minutes it runs very very slow.
[08:37] <WaltzingAlong> that really deserves a kick
[08:38] <WaltzingAlong> i read that 17 minutes ago
[08:38] <holyguyver> I know
[08:38] <WaltzingAlong> !repeat
[08:38] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[08:38] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: how much ram is in the system? how fast is the cd/dvd rom?
[08:39] <holyguyver> well it still has the manufactuer sticker on it I think, here let me type it out to you
[08:40] <winbond> how can i change the lag bar in xchat so it shows a number?
[08:41] <ronin_> Evening everyone.
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> winbond: do not know. still using konversation
[08:42] <ronin_> Does anyone have Wolf:ET installed?
[08:43] <giova> buon giorno ha tutti
[08:43] <WaltzingAlong> buongiorno giova
[08:43] <Jucato> !fi
[08:43] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[08:43] <winbond> WaltzingAlong, konversation doesnt work well in gutsy
[08:43] <contrast83> ronin_: on my desktop, yeah (i'm on my laptop now)
[08:43] <WaltzingAlong> !it
[08:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:43] <Jucato> heh I was confused by the IP
[08:43] <giova> sapete perche stamattina non funziona il forum di ubuntu?
[08:43] <holyguyver> GQ3151 amd geode nx 1750 128mb ddr400 sdram  40gb hard drive  10/100 fat ethernet network 56k modem 52x cdrom open 8x agp expasion slot 4 usb 2,o ports Linspire5.0 operating system
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> !it | giova
[08:44] <ubotu> giova: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:44] <ronin_> contrast83: Could you tell me how to actually install it? I have a file with a .run extension here
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> ronin_: bash ./filename.run
[08:44] <giova> sorry for my english
[08:45] <ronin_> I actually need to type  "./" before the filename?
[08:45] <giova> why today not work ubuntu forum?
[08:45] <Jucato> giova: there's an Italian channel
[08:45] <contrast83> ronin_: go to the folder it's in konqueror, hit F4 to open a terminal there, and type "chmod +x filename.run" then "sudo ./filename.run"
[08:45] <Jucato> ronin_: yes. the ./ means "in this current directory"
[08:45] <WaltzingAlong> giova: what does not work today?
[08:46] <giova> italian ubuntu forum
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> no so perche
[08:46] <giova> ok grazie
[08:47] <WaltzingAlong> giova: prego
[08:47] <holyguyver> Okay now that you guys know my spex did they bring any light to what is not the problem & what is?
[08:48] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: the livecd works best with systems >=256MB RAM; how about using the alternate cd (or dvd) to install directly without booting first into live
[08:49] <ronin_> Contrast and jucato - Thank you, its working now.  So to run any .run file in a directory, you have to type ./ before?
[08:49] <holyguyver> I already said that liveCDs do not work on this & that I have been using the alternative install CDs
[08:49] <ronin_> Also, can you explain what the chmod +x means?
[08:49] <Jucato> ronin_: yes, any executable file in the current directory actually
[08:50] <Jucato> ronin_: chmod +x makes a file executable
[08:50] <pillowpants> http://ubuntusatanic.org/news//files/home3/parker13/satanic
[08:50] <WaltzingAlong> ronin_: the ./ just means to look for thet file there. +x is the "execute" bit. linux knows what files are based on ... what they are :) whereas windows knows them based on the names (.exe, .doc, .so on)
[08:50] <pillowpants> ha, dude how many of you knew about that?
[08:50] <pillowpants> hilarious
[08:50] <pillowpants> "ubuntu satanic edition"
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: just some color schemes and wallpapers to give a dark look, yup
[08:52] <Jucato> that was last year.
[08:52] <Jucato> literally
[08:52] <holyguyver> WaltzingAlong as said about an hour ago I have been installing from the alternative CDs, it is already installed though.
[08:52] <pillowpants> WaltzingAlong: yeah, but it gave me a good laugh
[08:52] <pillowpants> ill be getting it immeadiately
[08:52] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok i was not watching an hour ago. so now that kubuntu is installed, after 10 minutes things become unresponsive?
[08:52] <pillowpants> i assume it was in response to the christian and muslim edition
[08:52] <holyguyver> yes
[08:53] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: or they were in response to it or so on
[08:53] <pillowpants> yeah
[08:53] <pillowpants> its just funny
[08:53] <ronin_> Ahhh I see. Thanks guys.
[08:54] <ronin_> Let me restart and see if it shows up in my menu. Thanks again!
[08:54] <Jucato> restart?!?! O.o
[08:56] <holyguyver> So any ideas?
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: get more RAM
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: or turn off all eye candy or use fluxbox or xfce instead
[08:57] <holyguyver> would using 6.06 fix the ram problem?
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: would your system have more RAM if you installed a different OS?
[08:58] <holyguyver> no that is not what I mean, I mean would that lessen th load? & also it does the same thing with DamnSmallLinux
[08:59] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: have you checked the logs for errors? perhaps through 'dmesg' as a start?
[08:59] <holyguyver> logs from 3 years ago?
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: have you not started the system recently? how about yields from current runs?
[09:01] <holyguyver> until yesterday it has been turned off since 04/05
[09:01] <holyguyver> it has been a paperwait
[09:02] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok and now you just get 10 minutes in
[09:02] <holyguyver> But wait one moment here!!!!!!! it came preinstalled with Linspirer5.0 which used KDE! then the ram is enough
[09:03] <holyguyver> & Linspire worked like a beaut as I said already
[09:03] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver:  ok so how about installing linspire again?
[09:03] <holyguyver> ...don't make me repost the story again...I told you the answer in there
[09:04] <holyguyver> !repeat
[09:04] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:04] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver:  yeah that you tried reinstalling linspire but that failed - got it. reposting that simply gets you ignored
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so you claim to have kubuntu 7.04 on there. that means there should be current logs and config files and such. with kde you could use kpersonalizer to quickly reduce the eye candy which should help with the speed. you could also check the log files for just about everything to figure out if things are broken
[09:06] <holyguyver> I already reduced the eyecandy actually
[09:08] <holyguyver> plus as said the speed problem also has occerd when I have tried fluxbox linuxes in the past on it
[09:08] <holyguyver> & as said Linspire worked fine with KDE with all of the eyecandy
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so skip the eye candy attemp
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: attempt something else, for example scanning for errors
[09:10] <holyguyver> I would if I knew how. I already did memtest, & I will do TOP after I am done talking to you guys
[09:10] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: are you on the 3151 now?
[09:10] <holyguyver> No, I already said I am on the winxp in the 1998 computer
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you can use the program ksystemlog to view some of the system logs
[09:11] <holyguyver> but that does little good if I can't understand what they are saying
[09:12] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok so what do you suggest? what were you expecting?
[09:12] <holyguyver> look even though I have been using computers since 1985, treat me like this is my first time using one
[09:13] <holyguyver> now if it says error4896m in such & such, alright then I know that, then what should I do?
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> i am not a master of all either but i understand that it is essential that i am part of the solution, when it comes to my computer
[09:13] <holyguyver> ^^
[09:14] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you should visit google, asking about that error. read what you can about it. the logs typically sit in /var/logs             something may stick out, like an error that repeats; ask about it here, search the web for it, so on
[09:15] <holyguyver> Thank you, obviously that will invalve hooking up my internet to my kubuntu just so that PC will boot, then finding the error, then rehooking it back up to this one so that I can look on google & ask her because that computer is too slow to do that.
[09:17] <zsz> what's the name of the power management application that is installed by default and sits in the tray?
[09:17] <contrast83> holyguyver: there are terminal-based browsers and irc clients. ;-)
[09:17] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: "kubuntu/kde is not fast enough after 10 minutes" is just not enough data to accurately diagnose causes
[09:17] <emilsedgh> zsz: guidance-power-manager
[09:17] <contrast83> zsz: i forget the name of the package, but you shouldn't uninstall it. gave me weird problems when i did. i take it you just want to make it so it doesn't autostart?
[09:17] <Jucato> zsz: guidance-power-manager
[09:17] <Jucato> bah too late :)
[09:18] <emilsedgh> hi Jucato :)
[09:18] <zsz> it was killed when kde-window-decorator died and I wanted to restart it
[09:18] <Jucato> hi emilsedgh
[09:18] <holyguyver> but I mean it takes 20 minutes for googles front page to load
[09:18] <contrast83> ohh
[09:19] <zsz> contrast83, how's that better?
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> !better
[09:19] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:19] <holyguyver> & as said it is not KDE because fluxbox is having the same problem on that PC
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok so it could be something specific to that machine: bios or hardware
[09:20] <contrast83> more configurable
[09:21] <holyguyver> Now, I haven't had the time to tell you guys what errors if any memtest told me 3 years ago, would you like to know?
[09:22] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: memtest provided errors? run the test now, let it run at least 8 hours.
[09:22] <contrast83> kpowersave should be the default as far as i'm concerned
[09:22] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: yes typically it is difficult to provide new data when repeating old data
[09:23] <holyguyver> I don't really know if it was memtest, but I did some unbuntulivecdtest 3 years ago that said that the bios was too old, but that PC was brand new & Linspire which is Debian with KDE worked fine on it, & the PC came preinstalled with Linspire, manufactured spasificly for it, so I do not see how the bios could have been too old.
[09:23] <monchu> buenos dias
[09:23] <monchu> hay algun espaol??
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> !es | monchu
[09:23] <ubotu> monchu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: alright well run the memtest again. let it run for a few hours at least. perhaps a more recent version of the bios exists
[09:24] <monchu> gracias, soy nuevo
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> monchu: we were all new once ;)
[09:25] <holyguyver> but it gave me that message only 2 days after I bought the PC brand new from the manufactuer
[09:25] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: yes and it may have been true then too
[09:25] <holyguyver> how can a brand new PC's bios be too old?
[09:26] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: despite the ads, computers are not born the day before you go to the store to buy them
[09:27] <holyguyver> well I do know that this particiler model was for say at least one year before I bought it.
[09:27] <holyguyver> sale
[09:27] <hgarcia> where did you buy it from?
[09:27] <contrast83> frys
[09:27] <hgarcia> lol go figure
[09:27] <holyguyver> as said Fry's electronics, it is their store brand GQ
[09:27] <hgarcia> it's a 50 50 shot there
[09:28] <holyguyver> haha now see, now finally someone knows what I am talking about:D:D:D:D
[09:28] <holyguyver> :D
[09:28] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: well the short of it is that a pos was purchased and now does not work well with kubuntu 7.04
[09:28] <hgarcia> what frys store did you buy it at?
[09:29] <holyguyver> earlier about 3 hours ago in this room I asked if fry's store brand GQ had a bad reputation & everyone in here said that they had never heard of it & so it had no reputation in here, now finally someone as heard of it & can answer that question :)
[09:29] <holyguyver> I bought it from fry's phionex AZ
[09:29] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: it may also have been a sign that none of us had heard of it at the time.
[09:30] <hgarcia> we just got one here in roseville ca
[09:30] <hgarcia> there is one in sacramento ca
[09:30] <hgarcia> and one in fremont ca
[09:31] <holyguyver> I am from resno CA
[09:31] <holyguyver> Fresno
[09:31] <ID107> fresno is a rock band
[09:31] <ID107> that sucks
[09:31] <holyguyver> Fresno is a city in CA
[09:31] <hgarcia> isn't it also the armpit of ca?
[09:31] <holyguyver> it is hell
[09:32] <hgarcia> lol
[09:32] <ID107> i know, its also a emo band, lol
[09:32] <hgarcia> holy what do you do for work
[09:32] <holyguyver> Anyway hgarcia my good understanding helper, so GQ is crap?
[09:33] <ID107> what cat /dev/null > / does??
[09:33] <holyguyver> I am a jeweller
[09:33] <hgarcia> never heard of that brand
[09:33] <ID107> nooo?
[09:34] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: perhaps you could contact frys for assistance, newer bios or such  http://www.fryssupport.net/support.cfm
[09:34] <hgarcia> I always stay to major manufacturers
[09:34] <ID107> where are u from? moon?
[09:34] <WaltzingAlong> i heard of frys about an hour ago
[09:34] <holyguyver> I already did that a year ago waltz, plus wouldn't hekp, sadly I do not know how to update my bios
[09:35] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so you wish to learn nothing, that is a bigger problem than the slow computer
[09:35] <holyguyver> hgarcia GQ is fry's store brand of PCs
[09:35] <holyguyver> now I wish to learn how to update my bios, please tell me
[09:35] <hgarcia> is there a website you can go and download the updated bios?
[09:35] <holyguyver> I meant no not now
[09:35] <holyguyver> I meant no I do wish
[09:36] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: there are no new bios files for this computer  http://www.fryssupport.net/gqdownloads.cfm
[09:36] <holyguyver> ha
[09:36] <hgarcia> whats the model number
[09:36] <holyguyver> :p :(
[09:37] <WaltzingAlong> 3151
[09:37] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: well typically it is rather simple. a flash program to put the new rom on the bios and the new rom to be put on the bios. click click, enter enter, ok...flashing...(writing new rom to bios)...flashing...done reboot
[09:37] <holyguyver> Waltz, do you think I should repost the spex for HGarcia to read?
[09:38] <hgarcia> did you look at the bios chip and see the maker
[09:38] <hgarcia> maybe it has a model number on it
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: i think hgarcia could easily click the link on the left-hand side of the page to see the specs http://www.fryssupport.net/gq3151.cfm
[09:39] <hgarcia> I looked
[09:39] <hgarcia> I think your screwed budy
[09:39] <hgarcia> buddy
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> fixing the "your" too? ;)
[09:39] <hgarcia> I saw nothing on updating the bios
[09:40] <pillowpants> will it be possible to upgrade to gutsy, then to hardy heron?
[09:40] <pillowpants> once they come out
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: sure
[09:40] <pillowpants> WaltzingAlong : excellent
[09:40] <hgarcia> I need to figure out why my fmcutter is not working correctly
[09:41] <contrast83> fwcutter?
[09:42] <holyguyver> Waltz I am sorry but I do not understand your Bio flashing instructions, by the way as I said, No I do wish to learn how, in fact I have been reading up on how to flash bios since 1997, & have been trying since back then, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.
[09:42] <hgarcia> yeah its a utility that retrieves some codes for broadcom wireless lan cards
[09:42] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: i have not seen any new bios roms available. it may not help anyway and linux can ignore bad bioses and their bugs
[09:42] <contrast83> hgarcia: is it not pulling in the firmware file again? you might need to just manually download the file, then tell it to use that one
[09:43] <holyguyver> But I am not talking about linuxes
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: really there is no trick to you. it is probably not something you ever need to do
[09:43] <contrast83> hgarcia: i had to do that several times. the default server it gets that file from is pretty iffy
[09:43] <hgarcia> I got some error when it was trying to install
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: if you want to flash a bios, you merely take one program, give it an input, click the big flash button. done
[09:44] <holyguyver> back in 1997 I was trying to flash the bios of my win3.0 so that I could upgrade to win98
[09:45] <contrast83> hgarcia: that's probably it
[09:45] <hgarcia> how do you download file manually from the repos?
[09:45] <contrast83> google around for "wl apsta o", download it, then run "sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /path/to/wl-apsta.o"
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[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok. and the tactics would have been the same then too. there is a program that puts the new rom onto the bios and there is the new rom which you wish to put into the bios.      the program then was likely a DOS program (since windows before NT were as well)
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: not necessary
[09:47] <hgarcia> I tried to copy and paste
[09:47] <holyguyver> but what is a rom?
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: what do you mean manually? well figure out the url of it, then wget url;
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: the "new bios"
[09:47] <hgarcia> what is wget?
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: ok well you could use anything, firefox url
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> !wget
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wget - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <holyguyver> then why is it called rom?
[09:48] <hgarcia> oh is
[09:48] <hgarcia> ic
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: because it is a ROm
[09:48] <holyguyver> what is a ROm?
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: it stands for Read Only Memory
[09:49] <holyguyver> Thank you :D
[09:49] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: it just contains the new data to be put in the proper place to become the new bios
[09:50] <holyguyver> Thanks :D
[09:50] <holyguyver> finally some asnwers :)
[09:50] <BrightEyes`> hello.how can i watch how much memory is used from my system?(physical memory)
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: a graphical way? a cli way?   top / free / kinfocenter
[09:51] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: aham.thanks
[09:51] <hgarcia> it gave me the 404 code stating it could not be found
[09:51] <holyguyver> !kubuntu
[09:51] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[09:52] <holyguyver> !thanks
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: so which file were you wishing to download? so with this deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse                      then you could start firefox or whatever you wanted to use to browse to           http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/     then follow the directories from there
[09:52] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:53] <hgarcia>  bcm43xx-fwcutter
[09:53] <holyguyver> !errors
[09:53] <ubotu> If you have problems or errors, you will need to describe/paste them. Please use the !pastebin for errors that cannot be quoted in a single IRC message
[09:53] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: im having 1GB DDR memory and it shows that only 476MB are free.isnt those 524MB used by the system just too much?
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: ! NO! btw, how is it being used anyway?
[09:54] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: what do u mean?
[09:54] <holyguyver> !bios
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: what good is free memory?
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <holyguyver> wow ubotu doesn't know what bios are
[09:55] <holyguyver> I was trying to see if ubotu could give me straight ansers
[09:55] <holyguyver> !en
[09:55] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[09:56] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: as much free memory as you can get the most fast and the most programs you can run simultaneously.isnt it?
[09:57] <holyguyver> I like Uboto, he/she/it isn't the brightest bolm in the house, but at least he talks plainly & understands me :-p
[09:57] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: ok the quick of it is that any decent OS (kernel) will use RAM as much as possible since it is much faster than HD space. gnu/linux for example uses RAM for application data, disk caches and disk buffers, the latter to decreasing access to the hard drive (which is slow)
[09:57] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: yesterday i went to a friend who bought a new pc with MS Vista on it.it was using 700MB while using a plugin showing cpu usage and some other stuff.when he closed that it was using 600MB.
[09:57] <ID107> ubotu: shut up
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: ms windows is a joke with memory management
[09:58] <BrightEyes`> ID107: lol:)
[09:58] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: why a joke? i want to learn
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: it has very poor memory management
[09:58] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: i dont support MS products even that product is an os or a keyboard
[09:59] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: ok how about linux.the results on how much memory the system uses are kind of same
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> poor compared to something decent, pathetic compared to something good
[09:59] <holyguyver> !linux
[09:59] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`:  i really do not think amount of memory used is all that important in and of itself
[10:00] <holyguyver> !memory
[10:00] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[10:00] <jussio1> !botabuse > BrightEyes`
[10:00] <WaltzingAlong> jussio1: may have been better directed at holyguyver
[10:00] <jussio1> oops
[10:00] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: ok in 2 years if  ubuntu uses by default 1GB of ram what i should do if im not able to buy a new pc??? that should be a prob.where's the flash-back compatibility?
[10:01] <holyguyver> yes direct it tword me silly
[10:01] <jussio1> WaltzingAlong: its too early in the morning
[10:01] <hgarcia> to install a deb file all I need to do is type apt-get install and the file name?
[10:01] <holyguyver> I am the one who is slapping ubotu silly :p
[10:01] <zsz> hgarcia, yes
[10:01] <jussio1> hgarcia: no, sudo dpkg -i file.name
[10:01] <jussio1> !botabuse > holyguyver
[10:02] <BrightEyes`> hgarcia: sudo dpkg -i file_name
[10:02] <jussio1> ;)
[10:02] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: you want it to use all of the ram
[10:02] <hgarcia> the file name is really long and I get some weird  ~ thing going on is that normal?
[10:02] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: no i dont want it to use all of the ram..i want to have some free ram so it can run many other processes when needed
[10:02] <jussio1> BrightEyes`: was directed at the wrong person. My apologies
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: yes a little free, as linux does, then when another program needs some linux gives it
[10:03] <BrightEyes`> jussio1: :)
[10:03] <AirstrikeIvanov> Hi everyone. Where does Konqueror store browser history?
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: when no program is using it, hundreds free does no good
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: as i mentioned, i find that ms windows is very poor at memory management so one needs a 2GB system with vista because windows uses just a small portion of available ram before switching to the slow hard drive swap file
[10:04] <Jucato> !ram
[10:04] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: Jucato is suggesting you visit those two links
[10:04] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: "linux gives it" : do you mean sources return? (i know the terminology in greek so im translating)
[10:04] <holyguyver> So Jussio1 does this mean I may talk to ubotu in PM?
[10:04] <AirstrikeIvanov> Where does Konqueror store browser history?
[10:04] <Jucato> AirstrikeIvanov: press F9 and look in the sidebar?
[10:04] <jussio1> holyguyver: type /msg ubotu
[10:05] <hgarcia> that seems to be working thanks guys
[10:05] <jussio1> hgarcia: :)
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: yes you may
[10:05] <AirstrikeIvanov> Then how do I bypass an automatic redirect long enough to write something down, because so far that F9 trick has failed, bud.
[10:05] <boust> where do i get an adept fix?
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: linux knows how much ram is available.  a program requests some, the kernel provides some.
[10:06] <jussio1> hgarcia: you should also be able to right click a deb and install it with the kubuntu package manager also
[10:06] <hgarcia> I have a question why use dpkg instead of apt-get?
[10:06] <jussio1> !adeptfix
[10:06] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:06] <jussio1> boust: ^^
[10:06] <boust> lovely
[10:07] <boust> thank you once again
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: typically programs request more ram than they use
[10:07] <jussio1> hgarcia: because apt-get install the program from the repos, and dppkg installs the deb you have locally
[10:08] <hgarcia> dammit I got the same error when it tried to get the updated version
[10:08] <jussio1> hgarcia: what are you trying to install?
[10:08] <hgarcia>  bcm43xx-fwcutter
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`:  basically unused ram is wasted ram as stated http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management ; a decently configured kernel would use as much ram as possible as often as possible
[10:09] <holyguyver> every time I type /msg uboto I get an error message
[10:09] <jussio1> hgarcia: I used this for my broadcom card, it worked quite well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990&highlight=bcm43xx+python
[10:09] <ID107> holyguyver: he doesnt likes u
[10:09] <jussio1> holyguyver: it has to be /msg ubotu
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you have to register your account with nickserv
[10:09] <jussio1> !register | holyguyver
[10:09] <ubotu> holyguyver: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:09] <Jucato> holyguyver: it's ubotu not uboto
[10:10] <contrast83> hgarcia: what's the exact error you're getting?
[10:10] <holyguyver> I know that was a typo
[10:10] <hgarcia> when it tries to update it can not connect
[10:10] <hgarcia> 404 error
[10:11] <holyguyver> I meant every time I type /msg ubotu I get an error message, but I think your me needing to register message is the answer to that
[10:11] <hgarcia> it always worked inthe past
[10:11] <contrast83> hgarcia: you need to do what i said earlier
[10:11] <hgarcia> I forgot what did you say
[10:11] <contrast83> hgarcia: manually download the file, then run "sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /path/to/wl-apsta.o"
[10:11] <pillowpants> has anyone tried RHEL
[10:11] <contrast83> hgarcia: hang on
[10:12] <pillowpants> what use does it serve?
[10:12] <hgarcia> I did download it and it was the older version
[10:12] <holyguyver> when I tpye in /msg ubotu it says "missing required perimiter message"
[10:12] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: used 666, free 344 (free -m) hehe
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: normally it is /msg ubotu  hi. how are you today
[10:13] <waylandbill> hgarcia: with the instability of websites and the net in general, something that worked before can get a 404 error.
[10:13] <holyguyver> how come I get the error message then?
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so you needed to send the message too
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: otherwise you could use /query ubotu          which starts a new window with ubotu
[10:13] <contrast83> hgarcia: not bcm43xx-fwcutter, the file it needs, wl-apsta.o
[10:14] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: here, 2GB RAM installed; used 1970MB free 57MB; swap 1953MB, used 33MB, free 1920MB;
[10:14] <contrast83> you already have bcm43xx-fwcutter installed. it just hasn't been able to retrieve a good copy of wl-apsta.o, so you'll have to help it with that step
[10:14] <BrightEyes`> cat /proc/1/maps.... whats r-xp (read-execute, what does p stand for)
[10:14] <Jucato> holyguyver: just double click ubotu's name in the nick list :)
[10:14] <waylandbill> hgarcia: I found that using ndiswrapper and a bcm driver and blacklisting the bcm43xx driver altogether worked much better than bcm43xx-fwcutter.  The kernel will use a large amount of ram for caching which will show a large memory usage at times.
[10:16] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: im running kde,amarok,ktorrent,amsn,konversation,firefox,konsole and im using 666MB
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: :D good
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: with kinfocenter how much memory is used for application data?
[10:17] <contrast83> hgarcia: I just googled around for that file and can't find a good download location for it at the moment
[10:17] <hgarcia> I appreciate the help
[10:18] <contrast83> hgarcia: what's your email address?
[10:18] <contrast83> err
[10:18] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: using 720MB
[10:18] <holyguyver> Man asking ubotu about ops sure gave me a long list of names :p
[10:18] <hgarcia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:18] <Jucato> holyguyver: because there are many... across many official ubuntu channels
[10:19] <jussi01> hgarcia: dont put your email address like that - these are published logs
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: there is a graph showing how much is going to application data, disk buffers, and disk caching
[10:19] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: do u use fluxbox/blackbox wm?
[10:19] <holyguyver> so how does abusing ubotu make for angry ops?
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: i switch forth and back, but presently with kde
[10:19] <ID107> ubotu: shut up
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <waylandbill> I got 1.2GB and only 192MB free, but 41% is being used for caching.
[10:19] <Jucato> 600+MB is being used for disk cache...
[10:20] <ID107>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:20] <ID107> Mem:          2013       1391        621
[10:20] <hgarcia> oh
[10:20] <jussi01>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:20] <jussi01> Mem:       1945800    1832128     113672
[10:20] <contrast83> hgarcia: sent
[10:20] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: the graph is in ksysguard
[10:20] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: using 734MB
[10:20] <Jucato> BrightEyes`: there's also a simplified chart in kinfocenter
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: there is a nice depiction in kinfocenter as well
[10:21] <waylandbill> if you open something like a map of the US or something intensive, the kernel will surrender the buffers and cache IIRC.
[10:21] <BrightEyes`> Jucato: WaltzingAlong: aham
[10:21] <hgarcia> not like i get spam already
[10:21] <hgarcia> lol
[10:21] <Jucato> :)
[10:22] <vandenoever> hello, is there a way to install gutsy on a para-virtualized machine?
[10:22] <contrast83> hgarcia: get it?
[10:23] <Jucato> para-virtualized...
[10:23] <Jucato> what's para-virtualized?
[10:23] <vandenoever> Jucato: it means it runs in e.g. xen
[10:23] <Jucato> aah
[10:23] <Jucato> hm...
[10:23] <vandenoever> para-virtualized is more lightweight then virtualized
[10:23] <hgarcia> yes I did thanks
[10:24] <Jucato> it is? hm. too bad I don' t know how to set one up...
[10:24] <contrast83> np
[10:24] <contrast83> vandenoever: any drawbacks?
[10:25] <vandenoever> contrast83: yes, you need an os that can deal with being para-virualized
[10:25] <vandenoever> which is why i'm asking :-)
[10:25] <contrast83> ahh... heh, ok
[10:25] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: do you know how to configure an analog pci tv card easily?
[10:26] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: not really. lspci        it may be detected already. then grab some program to interface with it, mythtv, tvtime, so on
[10:26] <Jucato> vandenoever: can't find anything here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen but you might want to ask the peeps in #kubuntu-devel if gutsy can deal with Xen
[10:26] <vandenoever> Jucato: thanks, i'll let you know
[10:26] <hgarcia> ok I am doing it now
[10:26] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: lspci -> 02:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05). i tried with tv time but nothing
[10:26] <Jucato> oooh jos van den oever!!! that's why he's familiar :)
[10:27] <vandenoever> maybe i'll just do normal virtualization, which can be done from an iso
[10:27] <vandenoever> Jucato: c'est moi
[10:27] <Jucato> heheh :)
[10:27] <vandenoever> i got some bug reports for gutsy
[10:27] <Jucato> the other Jos of KDE :)
[10:27] <familia> im so druk (?)
[10:28] <familia> estoy borracho :P
[10:28] <vandenoever> yeah, it's a common dutch name
[10:28] <ubuntu> anyone have experience with Grub Errror 17?
[10:28] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: sorry no help from me. search the ubuntu help and forums sites i guess
[10:28] <Jucato> vandenoever: but only 2 prominent Jos'es in KDE :)
[10:28] <hgarcia> have you guys tried kde 4 yet?
[10:30] <holyguyver> :p have any of you tried asking ubotu about "love"? :p LoL
[10:30] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: thanks!
[10:32] <holyguyver> !love
[10:32] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[10:32] <holyguyver> funny & cute hu? :D
[10:32] <contrast83> what's that from?
[10:33] <holyguyver> in privet I am going to ask ubotu about sex next :p
[10:33] <holyguyver> I don't know were it is from, all I know is that ubotu said it :p
[10:34] <familia> el amor, es algo... que pocas veces se puede explicar :P
[10:34] <Jucato> !ar
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <Jucato> !es | familia
[10:35] <ubotu> familia: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:38] <familia> mmmm
[10:38] <familia> esta aburrido est
[10:38] <contrast83> hgarcia: any luck?
[10:38] <familia> esta aburrido esto
[10:38] <familia> je
[10:39] <hgarcia> it helped
[10:40] <hgarcia> but the problem is still there the newer ver. is on a bad website
[10:41] <contrast83> right, but your wireless is working now?
[10:41] <hgarcia> I haven't tested it yet
[10:41] <hgarcia> I will in the am
[10:42] <contrast83> did you extract the file to /lib/firmware?
[10:42] <hgarcia> thank you for all your help
[10:42] <contrast83> no problem
[10:42] <hgarcia> yes
[10:42] <contrast83> just so you know, it's not the newer version of bcm43xx-fwcutter. that's trying to get the file from the same place it always has. it's just not always there when it tries to get it.
[10:43] <hgarcia> yeah
[10:43] <holyguyver> believe it or not ubotu has actually been really helping me out & giving me some good answers to real questions I have been wondering :D
[10:43] <roybatty> guys.. I have a prob. While instaling some updates adept crashed or something, now most things don't work, and I can't update of install with adept anymore... anyone ?
[10:43] <contrast83> !aptfix
[10:43] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:44] <contrast83> there you go, roybatty
[10:44] <roybatty> thx.. :)
[10:44] <contrast83> np
[10:44] <holyguyver> I was wondering how I could get linu to read & write to & from ntfs & ubotu told me how :D :D :D
[10:44] <contrast83> i have that command saved to /usr/bin/apt-fix.sh
[10:45] <holyguyver> I have a ntfs 500GB external hardrive
[10:46] <holyguyver> that reminds me, does ubuntu have any drivers for hp lighscribe dl dvd burners?
[10:46] <hgarcia> has anyone tried the new kde4 beta?
[10:47] <contrast83> holyguyver: yeah, it does
[10:47] <contrast83> holyguyver: i don't remember offhand where you might find them though
[10:47] <holyguyver> does the lightsribe even still work? :)
[10:47] <contrast83> hgarcia: i tried it out a couple weeks ago
[10:47] <hgarcia> what do you think?
[10:47] <nrj> Hey... been searchin for a while now.. where the heck i change resolution in kubuntu? (:
[10:47] <Jucato> nrj: System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[10:48] <hgarcia> how do you register a nick on here?
[10:48] <contrast83> hgarcia: ehh... i didn't take much time with it, to be honest. it shows promise a lot of promise, but i don't think i could use it as my main desktop yet.
[10:48] <hgarcia> I like kde
[10:48] <contrast83> nrj: or Ctrl+Alt+NumPad-/NumPad+
[10:49] <holyguyver> contrast83 do you know weather the driversd & such even make it possible to use the lightscribe part of it?
[10:49] <contrast83> holyguyver: umm... why wouldn't they?
[10:49] <holyguyver> I don't know :p
[10:49] <contrast83> holyguyver: do you just mean are there any applications that can make use of the drivers?
[10:49] <Jucato> hgarcia: /msg nickserv register [password]
[10:49] <holyguyver> yes
[10:50] <contrast83> holyguyver: yeah, there's a labeler application for it
[10:50] <holyguyver> thanks :)
[10:50] <enjoi1216> whats up kkathman
[10:50] <holyguyver> see with that & the ntfs-3g thing all I need now is to fix that speed issue & I am good to go :D :D
[10:51] <contrast83> holyguyver: were you the one earlier that was saying you're trying to complete your 3 year migration from windows?
[10:52] <holyguyver> you guys & ubotu have been a big help & ubotu has been a blast to chat it up with in PMs :-p
[10:52] <holyguyver> Yes I am the 3 year migration guy :D
[10:53] <contrast83> i realize this might not be practical for everyone, but i think if you *really* want to learn to swim in linux, the best way is to just jump in, with no lifesaver (i.e., windows) to fall back on. that did it for me.
[10:54] <contrast83> i was using linux as my secondary o.s. for about 2 months. i still had a few windows apps i had yet to replace, but i knew i'd find suitable replacements eventually if i just started using linux exclusively
[10:54] <holyguyver> That is what I did, but 2 days after buying my preinstalled linux computer, well trying to install a doal partision of windows my computer went to hell & I had to go back to my win98
[10:55] <enjoi1216> hey kkathman are you there
[10:55] <holyguyver> I meant doul boot
[10:55] <contrast83> yeah, it's nearly impossible to install windows after linux if you want to dual-boot. it *can* be done, but it's tricky, from my understanding.
[10:55] <enjoi1216> hey contrast what is the best service to use on KDE just to go out and chat to people about whatever you want to talk about
[10:55] <contrast83> gparted might do the job for that, actually.
[10:56] <contrast83> enjoi1216: umm... -_~ ?
[10:56] <enjoi1216> like say if i want to to into a chatroom and talk about movies
[10:56] <enjoi1216> to=go
[10:56] <holyguyver> I used gparted back then, my linux computer though is just screwed up, so that is what I have been in here all night asking about
[10:57] <contrast83> enjoi1216: i'm not sure, to be honest. i'm a geek, so chatting about linux and the like in here is sufficient chatting for me
[10:57] <contrast83> :-P
[10:57] <Jucato> enjoi1216: Konversation (this IRC client) and the ##offtopic channel
[10:57] <Jucato> there are also ubuntu offtopic channels
[10:57] <Jucato> !offtopic | enjoi1216
[10:57] <ubotu> enjoi1216: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:57] <Jucato> #ubuntu-offtopic too
[10:58] <rixon> Hi, does networkmanager store a iptables-save file somewhere? It sets bad rules everytime I reconnect anyway
[10:58] <enjoi1216> i know that but lets say i want to talk to someone about movie or talk to a female then i can't do that in here
[10:58] <Jucato> enjoi1216: ask him/her if you can PM (private message) him/her
[10:58] <Jucato> then you two talk in private
[10:58] <enjoi1216> because i am therefor breaking the rules of the chatroom
[10:59] <contrast83> enjoi1216: that's not breaking the rules of the offtopic chatrooms
[10:59] <holyguyver> so constrast83 you seem to have your head on straight, so I must ask you it was fine until I tried to install windows, now ever since no matter what I install it is screwy, can you think of any reason why?
[10:59] <contrast83> holyguyver: have you looked in your bios for anything screwy?
[11:00] <holyguyver> from what the other guys found out there is no updates to my bios
[11:00] <contrast83> not updates
[11:00] <holyguyver> none
[11:00] <enjoi1216> yeah but what if it gets sexual
[11:00] <contrast83> windows can rape your bios. it did on my laptop
[11:00] <enjoi1216> see contrast thats where the problem lies
[11:00] <contrast83> enjoi1216: like Jucato just said, PM's
[11:01] <holyguyver> so, what should I do to my bios then? is there any way to reset them to factory settings or something?
[11:01] <Jucato> !language | contrast83
[11:01] <ubotu> contrast83: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:01] <contrast83> holyguyver: should be
[11:01] <contrast83> Sorry, Jucato
[11:01] <enjoi1216> yes ubotu
[11:01] <enjoi1216> but still everything you say and do the server and the mainframes record everything you talk about
[11:01] <enjoi1216> on this network
[11:02] <Jucato> enjoi1216: just talk the person in private. double click his/her name]
[11:02] <Jucato> hm... so does any other messaging service
[11:02] <contrast83> enjoi1216: or ask them if they have Yahoo messenger/AIM/whatever and talk to them on that
[11:02] <Jucato> tsk tsk
[11:02] <holyguyver> So does anyone know how I can clean up my bios?
[11:02] <contrast83> holyguyver: every bios i've seen has an option for resetting things to factory defaults. have you checked in there at all?
[11:03] <holyguyver> you mean at boot?
[11:03] <contrast83> right
[11:03] <Jucato> there's a hardware reset too I think. with jumpers and stuff
[11:03] <holyguyver> will that force me to have to reinstall kubuntu again?
[11:03] <holyguyver> where?
[11:04] <Jucato> um.. why would you need to reinstall?
[11:04] <contrast83> holyguyver: no
[11:04] <contrast83> holyguyver: it doesn't touch your hard drive
[11:04] <Jucato> the bios has its own software (called firmware)
[11:05] <holyguyver> Alright guys thanks I will try that :D I truly hope this works & if any of the guys are chatting about me tomorrow, let them know about this breakthrough :D
[11:06] <contrast83> holyguyver: About Lightscribe - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=540063
[11:06] <holyguyver> Thanks again :D
[11:06] <contrast83> no problem. peace
[11:09] <holyguyver> yeah especially let Agent_Bob & WaltzingAlong know about this breakthrough with getting my computer to work :D I really would like them to know that I believe we have found some really solid salutions :)
[11:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: no updates for your bios. resetting to factor defaults is something to try i suppose but not something that likely will have a large impact on the outcome
[11:10] <holyguyver> well we can cross our fingers & pray :)
[11:12] <holyguyver> anyway guys I am out of here, because I need to hook up my other guy & see if we can get him fixed up with all of the salutions you guys suggested like TOPs & Memtest &all that other stuff :)
[11:13] <jussi01> good luck holyguyver
[11:17] <jussi01> Has anyone got any unanswered questions (about kubuntu)
[11:26] <Karti> jussi01: any good MySql tutorials you can recommend?
[11:27] <jussi01> !mysql