[14:48] <popey> balloons, did you see the file manager merges are still failing?
[17:01] <popey> Elleo, you about for #ubuntu-touch-meeting ? :)
[17:02] <bartbes> that sounds creepy
[17:03] <popey> hah
[17:03] <Elleo> popey: sure thing
[17:07] <mhall119> bzoltan_: where should I file API wishlists for the AdaptivePageLayout? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit ?
[17:07] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  that is a perfect place for that
[17:08] <mhall119> bzoltan_: any special tag or title prefix you'd like?
[17:09] <bzoltan_> mhall119: "Do it now or I eat your dog" ?
[17:09] <mhall119> aw, but I like dogs
[17:13] <faenil> ahayzen: pingie pingie
[17:40] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  even better :) with what seasoning?
[17:42] <mhall119> bzoltan_: added 4 bugs, marked as wishlist
[17:43] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  cool! I will schedule them and post you about the plans.
[17:44] <mhall119> bzoltan_: one more thing, and I'm not sure if it's worth doing, but when I replaced PageStack with AdaptivePageLayout, the first thing I did was add a push(page, props) function to it that would add it to the current column of the primary page, so that all my old code would keep working. Do you think it's worth baking that in to AdaptivePageLayout, or will it just encourage devs to not properly use it
[17:45] <faenil> popey: it's not much of a bug :/ I need to know if they/you can do it before that day, or I'll have to find some time for that :P
[17:45] <davidcalle> Here we go! https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/01/15/announcing-ubuntu-scopes-showdown-2016/
[17:45] <popey> if you can, that would be helpful, we have very little resource to get that done in time.
[17:45] <popey> but email anyway
[17:45] <popey> will see what we can do :D
[17:46] <faenil> popey: well, I'd have to take time off scrollbars unit tests...so I'm not sure it makes sense :P
[17:46] <popey> hah
[17:46] <faenil> email sent ;)
[17:49] <sverzegnassi> popey: btw, if I temporarily disable autopilot tests for docviewer on Jenkins, could it be a problem?
[17:50] <popey> sverzegnassi, balloons will be cross, but only for a short while. Show him a picture of a dog and he will cheer up :)
[17:50] <popey> (so yes)
[17:50] <popey> But we need to identify why and fix them / it
[17:51] <sverzegnassi> haha, will look for a good pic then :D
[17:51] <sverzegnassi> the question is why the same package works for clock-app and doesn't for docviewer, but atm I would like not to have 12 pending MPs
[17:59] <popey> yeah
[18:00] <popey> lets disable, get them out the way, get the release out the way and focus on fixing the test after
[18:51] <mhall119> davidcalle: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/js/sdk-15.04.1/ScopeJS/ is live
[18:52] <mhall119> davidcalle: you can now link to elements in your tutorial
[18:53] <mhall119> replace sdk-15.04.1 with "current" and the links will always stay relevant
[18:53] <mhall119> for example: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/js/current/ScopeJS.Scope/
[18:56] <ybon> Are you able to login to Ubuntu One from within the Account settings?
[18:57] <ybon> I got "provided email/password is not correct" since some days, while I can login from my desktop browser without issue
[19:49] <dobey> ybon: works fine here
[19:50] <ybon> ok, thanks for the confirm
[19:50] <ybon> weird
[19:51] <dobey> do you see anything in ~/.cache/upstart/dbus.log about it when you get the error?
[19:53] <ybon> let me check that
[19:54] <ybon> dobey: 2016-01-15 20:53:57,281 - CRITICAL - Error occurred creating token: 2 (Provided email/password is not correct.)
[19:54] <ybon> like the message on the UI
[19:55] <ybon> I typed the pwd dozens of times, I think I would have had it right at least once, if it was my typing a bad password
[19:56] <ybon> and it works on the browser
[19:56] <ybon> (desktop browser, let me try on the phone one)
[19:57] <dobey> well. i know i mistype on the phone a lot, because on screen keyboards are awful, no matter how good they are
[19:59] <ybon> erk, ok, 0/O joke!
[20:00] <ybon> thanks dobey for making me look at the reality of me being dumb :)
[20:03] <dobey> :)
[22:00] <McIntireEvan> popey: With the terminal app, if we needed to make a change in QMLTermWidget is there an upstream that we make an edit in and get it merged or do we do it within the ubuntu-terminal-app repo?


[00:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2012: A Week Away! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/06/community-leadership-summit-2012-a-week-away/
[00:47] <AlanBell> aquarius: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-18728303 they are not without issue
[00:53] <aquarius> AlanBell, yeah, popey already trolled me with that :)
[00:53] <aquarius> the idea that semtex gives off smoke while it's in someone's bag seems a bit iffy to me :P
[07:20] <diplo> Morning all
[07:34] <mattt> morning diplo
[08:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:19] <AlanBell> morning
[08:21] <bigcalm> Ug ug
[08:22] <bigcalm> Bit of a grey day. Is it beer o'clock yet?
[08:26] <BigRedS> yes
[08:27] <Laney> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[08:27] <Laney> yum
[08:33] <greenian2> hello all
[08:36] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[08:36] <JamesTait> Even if it is cold, wet and miserable here. :-/
[08:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:43] <brobostigon> hello JamesTait
[08:44] <JamesTait> Hey brobostigon. :)
[08:44] <brobostigon> :)
[08:46] <bigcalm> Add muggy
[08:47] <brobostigon> and 16 celcius.
[08:48] <bigcalm> Simmer for 25 mins
[08:49] <brobostigon> lol
[09:06] <bigcalm> Why am I so tired? I got to bed at 10.30 last night. This sucks
[09:08] <brobostigon> i know when it is hot and muggy, i dont sleep properly,. so that might be a factor.
[09:10]  * bigcalm spends the day yawning
[09:10] <directhex> because you're a new father, so best-case only get to sleep 3 hours at a time?
[09:10] <directhex> or is that just me
[09:10] <bigcalm> Might be just you directhex
[09:10] <arsen> congrats hexxy :)
[09:10] <arsen> i get that same complaint from my colleague sat next to me on a daily basis at the moment :< lol
[09:11] <bigcalm> More so to his wife ;)
[09:11] <gord> remember when it was summer for like a week or two in april? man that was great. i miss that
[09:11] <bigcalm> Ha
[09:11] <bigcalm> This _is_ a normal summer
[09:11] <arsen> its cold today - i actually had porridge to warm up!
[09:11] <arsen> July 6th.
[09:12] <bigcalm> 4 days to pay day!
[09:12]  * BigRedS is barely 4 days *from* payday
[09:13] <bigcalm> 8 days to the RAT!
[09:13] <bigcalm> !rat
[09:13] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:18] <dwatkins> I already have two rats, they're very cute.
[09:19] <bigcalm> Do they get you drunk?
[09:19] <dwatkins> No, they're very enthusiastic about everything they find, though.
[09:20] <mattt> rats ew
[09:20] <popey> rats yay!
[09:21] <jpowell_> Morning.
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> Comic Sans Day in .nl
[09:23] <bigcalm> How is that even a day
[09:23] <bigcalm> ?
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I don't know, but 3fm.nl, klm.nl and xs4all.nl are in Comic Sans :)
[09:24] <bigcalm> Cute
[09:24] <arsen> what's RAT?: o
[09:24] <bigcalm> How about TV? Are news tickers in Comic Sans?
[09:24] <dwatkins> Are they trying to make people want to close their browsers? ;)
[09:24] <BigRedS> arsen: A train with beer on it
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: some radio presenters had an idea.. and people went ahead and did it :)
[09:24] <bigcalm> arsen: The Real Ale Train
[09:25] <BigRedS> The 'Real Ale Train;
[09:25] <arsen> ah yes
[09:25] <arsen> sounds fun
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "Productivity way up"
[09:25] <popey> when is the RAT?
[09:25] <bigcalm> 14th July
[09:25] <popey> ta
[09:25] <arsen> where at?:o
[09:25] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:25] <bigcalm> The Water Cress Line
[09:25] <arsen> is it CAMRA sorted?
[09:25] <bigcalm> (down south)
[09:25] <bigcalm> popey: have you lost your ticket?
[09:26] <popey> no, it's --> there
[09:26] <bigcalm> Phew
[09:27] <popey> i think
[09:27] <bigcalm> :|
[09:27] <dwatkins> ah yes, MartijnVdS - this appears to mention it, although I havn't passted it into googletranslate yet: "Een goeie traditie wordt voortgezet door Coen en Sander: Comic Sans dag! Gooi je site om op 6 juli"
[09:28] <arsen> well that sounds epic, shame ive missed the harveys one:O
[09:28] <arsen> should buy a GBBF ticket tbh
[09:28] <bigcalm> Off to the pub tonight for a few pints of ale. Then the LUG this coming Wednesday for another couple of pints. Goodness knows what the RAT will throw at me :)
[09:28] <gord> a couple of pints?
[09:29] <bigcalm> gord: I have to drive to and from the LUG in Wolverhampton. I know my limits and I stick to them
[09:29] <gord> bigcalm: i was saying that the rat would throw a couple of pints
[09:29] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:29] <bigcalm> Doh
[09:30] <bigcalm> I can imagine some of my fellow travellers might throw a couple over me though
[09:30] <bigcalm> popey: how are you python skills feeling this morning?
[09:30] <popey> non-existent
[09:30] <popey> :(
[09:31] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[09:31] <bigcalm> Skipping the competition?
[09:32] <diplo> Ooh a bit more lively here now
[09:33] <arsen> someone mentioned babies, and sleep.
[09:33] <bigcalm> diplo: did you see I got the webcam working?
[09:33] <arsen> and here we are on ale!
[09:33] <diplo> yeah, saw your vid last night
[09:33] <diplo> good work :)
[09:33] <bigcalm> Yay
[09:33] <diplo> More clouds though :(
[09:33] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:33] <arsen> is that the buntu webcam guide? popeys? :o
[09:33] <bigcalm> They make for good time lapse videos
[09:34] <bigcalm> diplo: there were birds too!
[09:34] <diplo> My work colleague gone off to jamaica for 2 weeks
[09:34] <arsen> i fancied doing that with a raspberry pi and trying to make timelapse/security vids :)
[09:34] <diplo> Asked yesterday, got anything outstanding. Him: No
[09:34] <diplo> First thing this morning, andy did damien mention this to you to sort
[09:34] <diplo> As he hasn't done it
[09:34] <diplo> Grr!!!!!
[09:34] <bigcalm> :(
[09:36] <dwatkins> I have a webcam with no IR-filter, so once I get a ring of IR LEDs around it, I can use it as a day and night camera to watch my pets.
[09:36] <dwatkins> iirc there's an application that will record only when there's movement.
[09:37] <popey> yes, webcam
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> it's called "motion", surprisingly
[09:37]  * popey is using it
[09:37] <popey> that too
[09:37] <arsen> :o
[09:37] <dwatkins> thanks MartijnVdS - I knew it was something that might be difficult to google, i.e. a dictionary word
[09:38] <dwatkins> years ago we caught the security guard at our office mutilating desktop toys (penguins) in the middle of the night using an O2 and securitylite to save video when there was movement.
[09:38] <BigRedS> Not the penguins!
[09:38] <dwatkins> we would come in to work and find he'd ripped the head off a penguin toy, so we decided to make sure we caught him on video.
[09:39] <dwatkins> after we reported it and provided the evidence, we never saw that security guard again, unsurprisingly
[09:39] <BigRedS> that's a bit weird
[09:39] <BigRedS> the tearing up of the penguins, not the not coming back
[09:39] <arsen> erp
[09:39] <dwatkins> indeed, BigRedS - really surreal and slightly disturbinf
[09:39] <dwatkins> *disturbing
[09:40] <arsen> the other day i was on the tube and glanced past some old dude reading what can only be described as a hardcore bondage story
[09:42] <bigcalm> If there was ever an Off Topic sentence, that was it :)
[09:44] <BigRedS> that's not so bad! We're talking about people doing weird things
[09:44] <bigcalm> :)
[09:44] <BigRedS> Getting dangerously close to on-topic, is there a raspberry pi alike that does SATA for <£50ish?
[09:44] <bigcalm> A little weird++ for here?
[09:45] <BigRedS> Small rather than really low power (since there'd be a disk to power...)
[09:45] <gord> can you not get a sata -> usb adapter?
[09:46] <bigcalm> BigRedS: buy an external harddrive and pull out the usb->sata controller?
[09:46] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm more wondering about getting SATA speeds out of it
[09:46] <bigcalm> I have 2 such on my desk. One of which has a power socket
[09:46] <BigRedS> I've a USB/sATA converta
[09:46] <BigRedS> converter, even
[09:46] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[09:46] <BigRedS> not quite sure how that happened...
[09:46] <dwatkins> What's the throughput for USB, 450 MB/s?
[09:46] <dwatkins> just wondering how much of a bottleneck it would be, also the Raspberry Pi is unlikely to achieve 3 GB/s
[09:47] <BigRedS> I don't know, but the plan is to do disk-to-disk copies and I wondered if I could get quicker than USB
[09:47] <dwatkins> just as I wrote that, I got disconnected from my Pi at home :-/
[09:47] <dwatkins> BigRedS: e-sata?
[09:47] <BigRedS> It heard you badmouthing it
[09:47] <BigRedS> dwatkins: yeah, that'd work, too
[09:47] <dwatkins> yeah, it's upset
[09:48] <BigRedS> I mean, so would USB, but I figured I'd check if it was still cheap to get quicker
[09:48] <dwatkins> I had it crash the other day, so I'm not entirely surprised. It's probably sitting at a kernel panic screen sulking.
[09:49] <arsen> sorry bigcalm - on-topic in the sense it's the other weird disturbing thing thats happened to me recently.
[09:49] <BigRedS> Ah, I've always viewed those as a tantrum
[09:49] <arsen> not what you expect from a 60somethign banker at canary wharf.
[09:49] <BigRedS> sulking is when it's sat in single-user asking for a root password
[09:49] <bigcalm> arsen: tis ok. Just a bit odd out of context for in here :)
[09:49] <BigRedS> in my mind
[09:50] <arsen> does the raspberry pi ship with debian?
[09:50] <dwatkins> arsen: it doesn't ship with anything, there are various distros available, though
[09:50] <arsen> ok - presumably buntu install is straightforward though?:)
[09:51] <gigix> some podcast show the pi running Fedora or Debian Wheezy
[09:51] <dwatkins> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads has the squeeze download
[09:51] <BigRedS> arsen: no, but Debian is
[09:51] <dwatkins> I gather there's some reason Ubuntu won't be possible on the Pi
[09:51] <arsen> arh :/
[09:51] <BigRedS> arsen: the chip is too old for ubuntu
[09:51] <arsen> interesting. :D
[09:51] <diplo> Doesn't support the arm architecture
[09:51] <diplo> armv7 over v6 or something i think
[09:52] <BigRedS> it's arm6, ubuntu only supports arm7
[09:52] <arsen> gotcha.
[09:52] <BigRedS> It's also worth pointing out that it's really not intended as a desktop replacement
[09:52] <BigRedS> I hate to think how many people would've come away with a horrendous view of Ubuntu had Ubuntu decided to releae an arm6 kernel
[09:53] <popey> +1
[09:53] <popey> as it is they come away with a horrendous view of fedora.. which is fine ;)
[09:53] <arsen> spose. to be honest my choice of distribution for what i'd put on it would be based on opinion of the day, rather than anything sensical.
[09:53] <BigRedS> I mean, if you're showing off the fact that this hardware runs Quake3, nobody's going to enjoy running Firefox on it
[09:54] <arsen> im forced into daily interaction with SuSE RT, so anything is fresh air to me.. :)
[09:54] <dwatkins> It takes a full minute to render an xplanet image, it's not exactly fast ;)
[09:54] <BigRedS> I think I've got a guy at work to the point where he doesn't like mentioning the word 'SuSe' in front of me
[09:54] <dwatkins> I used to work with SLES, it was less annoying than RHEL.
[09:54]  * arsen shudders
[09:55] <arsen> for a server i dont mind so much, YaST sucks but im not sure RHEL is worse
[09:55]  * dwatkins shudders
[09:55] <arsen> the problem comes when using SLED
[09:55] <dwatkins> yeah, I tended to install with the rpm commandline in SLES, hated YaST lots.
[09:56] <dwatkins> I think I installed SLED about twice, and the second time I took an image of the machine.
[09:56] <arsen> yast is a pain tbh, any networking change = restart entire networking stack etc. silly stuff.
[09:56] <dwatkins> I kinda get the whole philosophy behind having a single config mechanism and so on, but yeah, it did silly things
[09:57] <arsen> its actually OK as an itnerface, its quick to change stuff, but the way it has to go abotu doing it is questionable. especially as a server OS - you cant actually use it remotely because it'l likely knock you off the network. fun stuff.
[09:57] <arsen> at least you can work on interfaces seperately with <insert any other distro>
[09:57] <BigRedS> I used to love the config roulette you played. Every time I configured something it would apparently randomly deconfigure something else
[09:58] <arsen> ill be playing with OEL soon, which is an excuse to get ubuntu on the desktops.
[09:58] <BigRedS> So I'd install Apache and then find I've reverted to mono audio or something
[09:58] <arsen> oh yes BigRedS, it populates fields by default that were previously (intentionally) blank, and therefore will, for example, empty the routing table, or change the hostname
[09:58] <arsen> and all you did was install .. dig? lol.
[09:59] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, that's what always got me - how unrelated the now-broken thing was to what I changed
[09:59] <arsen> i've got ~100 servers to maintain like this :P
[10:00] <arsen> and if i manually (deb/rhel/others) style edit configs, restart stuff, it wont update yast's backend config DB, and consequently doesnt work, or isnt persistent best case. annoying!
[10:00] <arsen> we'll see how OEL is i guess.
[10:02] <BigRedS> OEL?
[10:03] <BigRedS> Ah, Oracle
[10:03] <BigRedS> Wasn't that 'Unbreakable'?
[10:08] <jacobw> BigRedS: totally unbreakable
[10:08] <brlabs> hi
[10:09] <arsen> meant to be, BigRedS
[10:09] <arsen> so their sales guy tells me.
[10:10] <arsen> i'm not too keen on the idea of solaris, but i could possibly stomach OEL
[10:10] <jacobw> what's the problem with ubuntu?
[10:11] <arsen> performance, in this environment anyway
[10:11] <arsen> ubuntu will be my desktop of choice though :)
[10:11] <diplo> oh this gets worse
[10:11] <brlabs> :P
[10:11] <diplo> php app wrote in 2005, running on centos4
[10:11] <diplo> Now want it working on centos6 on php5.3.3
[10:11] <BigRedS> jacobw: The 'Unfakeable' thing RH did got me to give it another go
[10:11] <arsen> :/
[10:11] <diplo> Don't want much in a few hours
[10:11] <BigRedS> well, Scientific
[10:11] <BigRedS> The OS wasn't as good as the T-shirts :(
[10:12] <arsen> yeah some guys i knew use scientific.
[10:12] <arsen> know*
[10:12] <brlabs> I finally completed this painting yesterday
[10:12] <diplo> oimon uses SL at his school place i believe
[10:12] <brlabs> Working on it for so long.
[10:13] <arsen> if im honesti  haevnt looked at SL much.
[10:13] <brlabs> final result: http://i.imgur.com/yGEZp.jpg
[10:13] <arsen> that's a painting?:o
[10:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <brlabs> Yes arsen
[10:15] <arsen> but it looks like a photo of a bar?:o
[10:16] <brlabs> Thats the idea:P
[10:16] <brlabs> I started by taking a photo of a bar then I painted it to the canvas
[10:16] <arsen> so the entire thing is a physical painting?:o
[10:16] <brlabs> some closeups:
[10:16] <brlabs> http://i.imgur.com/z9GJ0.jpg
[10:16] <brlabs> http://i.imgur.com/vuHRe.jpg
[10:16] <arsen> do you have a snap of the canvas edge too? just to mess with my mind totally? that's awesome..
[10:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: I got the newer version of cyanogen mod on now all the same apps 97meg free space over the 18meg from the default and all the apps bar 2 smaller ones or on the phone rather than all being on the sdcard woohoo tis like a new phone
[10:17] <dwatkins> very impressive, brlabs
[10:17] <brlabs> Here are images from the process:
[10:17] <brlabs> http://i.imgur.com/c70gX.jpg
[10:17] <brlabs> http://i.imgur.com/I1AMP.jpg
[10:17] <arsen> it's incredible :P if it was a wall of my favourite spirits id be buying one :P
[10:17] <arsen> wow
[10:18] <bigcalm> davmor2: yay
[10:18] <arsen> looks like IRL photoshop :P
[10:18] <brlabs> Thank you arsen:)
[10:18] <brlabs> thanks dwatkins
[10:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh and adw is built in so I didn't need that and I quite liked the ubuntu esque theme so I was able to get rid of both of those :)
[10:20] <brlabs> i made this painting with reference to an imaege i took in ny jfk airport
[10:22] <popey> thats very impressive
[10:22] <brlabs> thank you
[10:22] <popey> brlabs, how long did it take?
[10:23] <brlabs> 6 months
[10:23] <brlabs> and its still got to be varnished
[10:23]  * diplo doesn't have that sort of patience :(
[10:23] <bigcalm> Why did you leave yourself in the painting?
[10:23] <brlabs> its been quite a challenge, im glad its doneyou might say
[10:27] <brlabs> bigcalm I like how it adds perspective
[10:27] <brlabs> http://i.imgur.com/HylJQ.jpg
[10:27] <brlabs> Heres another recent painting , it needs to be varnished too
[10:28] <brlabs> which will bring out the darks much more vividly
[10:28] <brlabs> its acrylic on stretched canvas
[10:29] <brlabs> itx 3.5' x 5.5'
[10:32] <Myrtti> the ocean spray bottle seems out of place
[10:35] <brlabs> :)
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: how you getting on with geany?
[10:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you have to enable many of the plugins to make the highlighting and such work?
[10:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: it didn't fit my neads for my day to day work. I'm back with NetBeans
[10:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: I installed a lot of helpful plugins, but there are unchangeable things that stopped me from using it fully
[10:54] <diplo> Seems the same thing for me as bigcalm
[10:54] <bigcalm> It's a pumped up text editor, but not a proper IDE
[11:04]  * dwatkins returns from an unplanned fire drill
[11:06] <bigcalm> Haven't looked at the google analytics for myrant.net for some time. Pleased to see that some of my work has been used as a source in a stackoverflow.com answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10475884/how-does-wordpress-com-resize-images-dynamically
[11:09]  * bigcalm ponders commenting on the answer that used my source
[11:09]  * BigRedS sees no code
[11:10] <BigRedS> oh, the rewrite rules?
[11:10] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:10]  * BigRedS spots the 'source' link
[11:15] <bigcalm> It might very well be time for a toasted sandwich or two
[11:15] <arsen> nandos lunch :D
[11:16] <bigcalm> Nandos would mean a 36 min drive
[11:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: god where is your nearest nandos wolvo?
[11:24] <arsen> arh im lucky, i get it delivered to the office :p
[11:25] <gigix> nandos :S
[11:29] <brobostigon> !info insserv
[11:40] <Hawffle> !seen linuxsapien
[11:58] <BigRedS> I have a gotomeeting-based meeting on Wednesday, anyone know if that means I need to fix my Windows install?
[11:58] <BigRedS> I've found WINE howtos, but I don't want to go down that route if it's likely to still be rubbish
[11:59] <dwatkins> BigRedS: you mean in terms of using the application from linux?
[12:00] <ormiret> BigRedS: I've never gotten gotomeeting to work well under wine. THere is an android client that's not bad if you aren't going to be the presenter.
[12:01] <dwatkins> I don't know if it has a flash-only version, but you might be able to join from the browser if it does, like Adobe Connect does.
[12:02] <BigRedS> dwatkins: yeah, I've a debian and a ubuntu machine that I can use
[12:02] <BigRedS> ormiret: ooh, that might work
[12:02] <BigRedS> ta
[12:02] <BigRedS> hilariously this is a meeting about linux hosting.
[12:02] <ormiret> Nope, if you connect from a browser it just downloads the java app (which is tied horribly into windows media stuff).
[12:03] <dwatkins> ah, shame, ormiret
[12:03] <dwatkins> sign up for the 30-day trial of Adobe Connect and get thenm to use that instead ;)
[12:07] <arsen> not sure how webex works in linux?
[12:08] <dwatkins> I tried it a few years ago, arsen - not too well, sadly
[12:08] <BigRedS> Haha, I know at least one of the other people involved doesn't have a Windows machine
[12:08] <dwatkins> I think I managed to get it to work after fiddling with the java version on OpenSuSE
[12:08] <BigRedS> wonder what he's got planned
[12:09] <dwatkins> get someone in the gotomeeting session to share their screen with connect ;)
[12:15] <BigRedS> Oh. I'm being loaned a Windows laptop for the occasion
[12:16] <dwatkins> That's one solution, I guess ;)
[12:17] <BigRedS> haha, yeah. I think actually being in this meeting is viewed as more important than being principled about free desktops
[12:18] <BigRedS> All over their website it wants me to buy it; is there a free viewer or something?
[12:18] <BigRedS> this is why I shouldn't be left in a customer-facing sort of position :)
[12:18] <dwatkins> ther'es a free trial, BigRedS
[12:18] <BigRedS> Ah yeah, I'll just do that
[12:19] <dwatkins> I assume you have to join a meeting for it to offer to install the windows client software, that's how it works with other such things.
[12:19] <BigRedS> Out of interest, is there a free-er more compatible alternative?
[12:20] <dwatkins> I'd suggest Adobe Connect, it works with anything flash runs on in general (although some features require the 'add-in')
[12:23] <BigRedS> Ah, fair enough
[12:23] <BigRedS> Figured I'd at least make a comment about it :)
[12:24] <dwatkins> sadly I don't know of a properly free alternative
[12:25] <dwatkins> (unless you count google's hangouts, but I don't think you can do desktop sharing with that)
[12:26] <gord> you can
[12:26] <dwatkins> oh neat
[12:26] <gord> as well as with skype
[12:27] <dwatkins> yeah, I was thinking Skype isn't any more 'free' than the commercial solutions mentioned above, I doubt there's a properly free meeting/desktop-sharing application
[12:27] <gord> no cost though
[12:28] <gord> its not like i want to edit the source so don't really care about the free software aspect
[12:30] <dwatkins> yeah, I guess the difference is that with Skype and Google hangouts, you can use them (for small meetings, at least, I gather) for free, whereas the commercial solutions require an on-premise installation or chargable account on a cluster provided by the vendor.
[12:32] <BigRedS> ah yeah, google hangout would really fit what I'd want to be suggesting
[12:32] <BigRedS> forgot those existed!
[12:33] <BigRedS> but, yeah, by 'free' I probably actually meant 'can get at from pretty much any desktop'
[12:34] <dwatkins> yeah, that was the trouble with gotomeeting and webex that I was surprised at
[12:34] <dwatkins> I guess 90% of desktops is enough for some companies ;)
[12:34] <diplo> Someone help me with permissions, I really want to fix this but I'm drugged up to the eye balls
[12:34] <diplo> Its general but is on cent :)
[12:34] <diplo> trying to use mkdir within php
[12:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: thanks for thinking me as such, but I am not your god. Closest Nando's is in Shrewsbury
[12:34] <diplo> Apache running as apache user
[12:34] <gord> i use hangouts + skype for 90% of my meetings, the rest being on a horrible phone system because i can't understand voip or on mumble
[12:34] <diplo> folder owned by user in /var/www/html
[12:35] <dwatkins> it always surprises me how bad VoiP is at times
[12:35]  * bigcalm returns from lunch
[12:37] <BigRedS> diplo: for a dir you need 'r' to enter, 'x' to list and 'w' to create things in it
[12:39] <diplo> yeah understand that, hmm wonder if i add apache user to users group
[12:40] <diplo> rah fixed
[12:40] <diplo> been looking at it for ages
[12:40] <diplo> ask the question, fix it straight away
[12:40] <diplo> God this code sucks soooooooooooooooooooooooo badly!!!!
[12:40] <diplo> :(
[12:42] <dwatkins> I would consider a solution that gives away less permissions, but if that works, fair enough :-/
[12:43] <diplo> I will come back and revisit this, my colleage was supposed to have fixed this early part of the week, customer moving from a PC to a VM for his system and basically nothing works
[12:43] <diplo> Needs to be done in the next 4 hours :/
[12:43] <diplo> 3... even
[12:43] <BigRedS> diplo: in general, I'd stick the website in a vhost owned by a particular user and use suphp or mod-itk to make it run as that user
[12:43] <BigRedS> makes permissions easier, and often it means even the web dev can work out what to do
[12:44] <diplo> yeah, what I do on my home setup, althought not used mod-itk
[12:44] <BigRedS> We've stuck it on a few servers rather than the old horrendous bodge of fastcgi, suexec and bash wrapper scripts
[12:45] <BigRedS> way easier to admin and configure, no downside that we've yet come across
[12:45] <BigRedS> except the theoretical security ones
[12:45] <BigRedS> but we find that web developers are more dangerous than attackers anyway :)
[12:46] <diplo> heh aint that the truth
[12:46] <diplo> I think if anyone saw this code they would cry
[12:46] <diplo> just found a default error message of his
[12:46] <diplo> echo "didn't get owt..... may we should have done, someone ought to check this!"
[12:46] <diplo> This is on a customers site!!
[12:48] <BigRedS> hahaha
[12:48] <BigRedS> to be fair, though, many of my scripts simply die("Idiot."); on error...
[12:48] <diplo> Customer facing ?
[12:49] <BigRedS> haha, no
[12:49] <BigRedS> No, the only scripts I write are for me or my colleagues to use
[12:49] <BigRedS> Still, as useless output goes...
[12:50] <diplo> :)
[12:56] <kvarley> I'm trying to use my Netgear N150 USB WiFi stick in XUbuntu 12.04. It uses the Atheros AR9271 chipset. How can I install the drivers for it?
[13:08] <kvarley> Nvm, solved
[13:27] <DJones> Would anybody recommend a tplink over devolo powerline networking equipment? Just looking at both, both the same speeed, just wondered if anybody can say whether one is better/more reliable than the other
[13:28] <AlanBell> DJones: the 200Mbit stuff is compatible with each other
[13:28] <czajkowski> AlanBell: bigcalm is evil, he wants me to strangle you
[13:28] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:28] <bigcalm> Not quite what I meant :)
[13:28] <DJones> AlanBell: Looking to buy a pack of two anyway, question is more whether devolo is better than tplink or vice versa
[13:28] <AlanBell> I have a 4port hub from one place and a couple of single port things that all work together
[13:29] <bigcalm> Language not intended for this channel though :)
[13:30] <davmor2> DJones: I have the TPlink one for the ps3 it's fine you wouldn't know it wasn't a cable from one end to the other
[13:30]  * AlanBell hardly ever gets strangled
[13:31] <DJones> davmor2: I'm planning on using it for sky anytime+, I guess both manufacturers are pretty similar, similar specs & regulations, so not much difference in the end
[13:32] <bigcalm> Grrr to CSS selectors
[13:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: pulverise bigcalm on behave of AlanBell would you ta
[13:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD hello :)
[13:33] <bigcalm> I need to apply a style to an element that has a child element that has a specific class
[13:34] <bigcalm> Can I do it without javascript?
[13:34]  * arsen head explodes
[13:34] <czajkowski> and without chickens
[13:35] <arsen> that's not a bad idea actually, DJones - we've been putting off the sky anytime+ not wanting to wire the house up for it.
[13:36] <gord> fwiw, the powerline network stuff i have gets about 600kb/s, not enough to stream HD
[13:36] <davmor2> gord: I blame your wiring though dude ;)
[13:37] <gord> it probably is, but its a fairly new house, i just think that the whole thing is hit and miss
[13:48] <KungFuPanda> guys, how to make bash auto run after user ssh?
[13:48] <KungFuPanda> I tried create a .bash_profilelike this:if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
[13:48] <KungFuPanda>   . ~/.bashrc
[13:48] <KungFuPanda> fi
[13:48] <popey> set the users default shell?
[13:52] <KungFuPanda> thanks for the tip, works now
[13:53] <bigcalm> How would you check if a given value is a multiple of 5?
[13:54] <kvarley> I get a "Unable to add user" error window everytime I connect to my MSN account via Pidgin. I have had this issue for years but never bothered to resolve it. Is it the fault of MSN or Pidgin? A screenshot of the rror message can be found here - http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-060712-144714.php How can I stop the message?
[13:55] <bigcalm> if ($amount % 5 == 0) { ...
[13:56]  * bigcalm answers his own question after talking about it
[14:00] <DJones> gord: From what I can see with sky anytime, its not true streaming anyway, it downloads a percentage of the video to teh hard drive before letting you watch it, so there's normally a decent buffered amount on the drive
[14:02] <dwatkins> bigcalm: are you making this calculation in silicon or carbon? ;)
[14:02] <bigcalm> dwatkins: eh?
[14:02] <bigcalm> Both :D
[14:02] <dwatkins> bigcalm: computer or brain, software or wetware
[14:02] <dwatkins> ah ok, just curious
[14:03] <dwatkins> I remember discovering shortcuts in maths, like how to tell if a number is divisible by 3
[14:03] <bigcalm> A customer has to enter an amount that is between 5 and 150 pounds and is a multiple of 5
[14:03] <dwatkins> It was like a whole world of fast caulculation opened up
[14:03] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:03] <dwatkins> sounds like something you can implement in javascript fairly easily in the form itself
[14:03] <bigcalm> I can do the 9 times table on my fingers. Up to 10 anyway
[14:04] <dwatkins> the really impressive webpages are the ones where you can't right-click to copy your email address, and *have* to type it again...
[14:04] <dwatkins> ...and then there are some hoopy tricks you can do with form validation as I imagine you're well aware.
[14:05] <ormiret> dwatkins: never trust anything coming from the users machine no matter how much javascript you've asked them to run, you've got no guaranteed they actually do.
[14:06] <dwatkins> oh absolutely, I'm just thinking of stuff like them inputting their own address - situations where it's their problem if it's wrong for example, ormiret
[14:07] <KungFuPanda> anyone can see my enter room information: like this one ?webpigeon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>entered the room
[14:07] <KungFuPanda> just curious
[14:07] <gord> DJones: all streaming services do that, but the buffers are small, easily run-outable if you don't have a data rate greater than or equal to the video datarate. you should test before investing is all i'm saying
[14:08] <KungFuPanda> anyone ?
[14:08] <gord> bigcalm: more fun way, convert the number to a string, check to see if the last character is 1,2,3 or 4
[14:08] <AlanBell> 15:08 -!- KungFuPanda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-uk
[14:08] <bigcalm> Hah
[14:08] <bigcalm> gord: or 6 7 8 9
[14:08] <KungFuPanda> thank you
[14:08] <bigcalm> * KungFuPanda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-uk
[14:08] <gord> big numbers aren't supported
[14:08] <AlanBell> that would be a yes KungFuPanda, but you can get a cloak if you want, ask in #freenode for that
[14:09] <DJones> gord: Fair point
[14:13] <gord> or you could -5 from an unsigned number in a loop, if you hit a value higher than the original value before you hit 0, its not a multiple of five
[14:20] <gord> oh oh just have a lookup table of 150 elements storing true/false, that might actually be faster than using modulus
[14:21] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:21] <ali1234> it's actually quite difficult to beat modulus for arbitrary numbers
[14:24] <Azelphur> Bought a fancy fan controller that has two of these that I assume need to plug into the motherboard, http://bit.ly/NcCNEf anyone know how I can get more usb headers somehow?
[14:24] <Azelphur> a splitter or a pci card or something?
[14:24] <Azelphur> well, probably splitter since asus designed my motherboard in a retarded way
[14:25] <ali1234> you can just plug those into any USB port with an adapter
[14:25] <ali1234> it does not have to be any special kind of usb connector
[14:26] <ali1234> you can't use a passive splitter though, for obvious reasons
[14:26] <ali1234> you need to use a USB hub
[14:26] <Azelphur> ah I see
[14:26] <Azelphur> so you can get usb header -> standard USB?
[14:27] <ali1234> yes
[14:27] <Azelphur> then I just need to mount a powered USB hub in my machine or something
[14:27] <Azelphur> cool
[14:27] <ali1234> i have one
[14:27] <Azelphur> nice
[14:27] <ali1234> got some internal usb card reader
[14:27] <davmor2> anyone read tamil?
[14:27] <ali1234> it has that type of block header to connect to motherboard usb, it also came with an extra adapter in case your motherboard doesn't have those
[14:28] <ali1234> (it's really old)
[14:28] <Azelphur> cool
[14:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: aha, this looks like what I need? http://www.ebuyer.com/327902-nzxt-internal-usb-expansion-iu01?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products
[14:29] <ali1234> that would do the job perfectly
[14:29] <Azelphur> :D
[14:29] <Azelphur> now all I need to do is write drivers for this fan controller \o/
[14:30] <ali1234> it won't be complex
[14:30] <Azelphur> hopefully, I figured a fan controller would have a very simple protocol so it would be a good start for me to start learning USB stuff
[14:30] <ali1234> start with making dumps using virtualbox and windows and usb pass through
[14:30] <Azelphur> also amusingly, the standard drivers are (compiled close source) python
[14:30] <Azelphur> yea
[14:31] <ali1234> ah python should be very easy to decompile
[14:31] <ali1234> makes it even easier
[14:31]  * bigcalm wonders hos much he is costing his client by sending and receiving all of these test messages :D
[14:31] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:31] <ali1234> link to drivers?
[14:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/recon/
[14:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: run the installer and then unzip C:\Program Files\Recon.exe
[14:34] <ali1234> it's probably py2exe
[14:34] <Azelphur> fun
[14:37] <ali1234> hmm where's objdump pe/i386
[14:37] <Azelphur> also another fun semi-issue, look at the picture of my mobo for a second
[14:38] <Azelphur> notice how the usb header / front panel / ... is right next to the bottom PCIe port
[14:38] <Azelphur> making it totally unusable, because you can either have a card in there, or your USB / front buttons
[14:38] <ali1234> what picture?
[14:38] <Azelphur> any ideas on that? XD
[14:38] <Azelphur> http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/6/3/08454736/u_08454736.jpg whoops
[14:39] <ali1234> there's 4 usb cnnectors on there?
[14:39] <Azelphur> yea, I need 2 of the fan controllers
[14:39] <Azelphur> and then I'd like to actually have some USB ports for myself :P
[14:40] <ali1234> well i don't see a problem
[14:40] <Azelphur> see the small black connnector directly below the bottom pcie
[14:40] <Azelphur> above the white one
[14:40] <Azelphur> that's front audio for example
[14:40] <Azelphur> if I try to plug something into bottom pcie, that cable is in the way, there's no way to do it
[14:41] <Azelphur> same with every single port, all the way down that row next to the bottom pcie
[14:41] <Azelphur> all the usbs, front panel header, audio, they all block a pcie card going in that bottom slot
[14:41] <Azelphur> :(
[14:41] <Azelphur> it bugs the crap outta me
[14:42] <popey> MemOK!
[14:42] <Azelphur> popey: it has a little light to tell you that you plugged the memory in properly...just in case you was confused on how to plug memory in.
[14:42] <popey> haha
[14:42] <popey> nice
[14:43] <Azelphur> xD
[14:43] <popey> its the little thinhgs
[14:43] <popey> I do like asus mobos
[14:43] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:43] <Azelphur> I'm not a fan of that bottom port design
[14:43] <Azelphur> "tri sli ready" my ass because of that
[14:43] <bigcalm> How am I meant to send a pound symbol £ as an SMS?
[14:44] <ali1234> no
[14:44] <bigcalm> £ gives me A£
[14:44] <dwatkins> bigcalm: GBP after the amount?
[14:44] <bigcalm> dwatkins: that's not a symbol :)
[14:44] <ali1234> just don't buy three double height graphics cards and then there is no problem
[14:44] <Azelphur> :(
[14:44] <bigcalm> "\00A3" gives nothing
[14:44] <ali1234> bigcalm: did you know that your message came out as "?"
[14:44] <dwatkins> bigcalm: heh yeah, that's why me and my brothers use it on IRC, we're all on different platforms, clients etc.
[14:45] <ali1234> and not £
[14:45] <bigcalm> ali1234: no, I didn't
[14:45] <dwatkins> ali1234: I see "pound gives me Apound"
[14:45] <ali1234> not only do you fail to send it in SMS, you also fail to send it on irc
[14:45] <ali1234> "? gives me A?" is what i see
[14:45] <dwatkins> I have unicode enabled on irssi and in screen.
[14:46] <bigcalm> I've now changed this session to use UTF-8
[14:46] <bigcalm> £ is a pound symbol
[14:47] <gord> worked fine for me in quassel bigcalm:)
[14:47] <ali1234> that works
[14:47] <bigcalm> I wonder what my IDE is saving files as
[14:47] <ali1234> escape it
[14:47] <bigcalm> Or is using for an HTTP response
[14:47] <ali1234> how are you seending the SMS?
[14:47] <ali1234> over a json request or something?
[14:50] <ali1234> i suspect there is no way to send £ in SMS that will work with all phones
[15:18] <czajkowski> http://blog.launchpad.net/were-hiring/were-hiring-software-engineers-to-work-on-cloud-projects-in-canonical  if anyone knows  people who are looking for work
[16:44] <n1md4> hi
[16:45] <n1md4> ... in fact, ignore me ... I was going to ask an APT question, but have only just posted on #debian, I should give them chance to reply.
[16:45] <n1md4> :>
[16:47] <brobostigon> hi n1md4
[18:18] <AlanBell> popey how is the ububtu tablet?
[18:20] <popey> quite nice
[18:21] <popey> but i cant get GL ES working :(
[18:21] <AlanBell> 2d only then
[18:23] <popey> well it should work
[18:23] <popey> but there seems to be a library missing from the ti omap powervr driver :(
[18:24] <AlanBell> oh
[18:24] <AlanBell> wifey wants a tablet
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> \o/ closed-source video drivers
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> just when Nouveau "fixed" that on PC
[18:24] <AlanBell> nexus 7 is a maybe
[18:24] <ali1234> nouveau didn't fix anything
[18:25] <AlanBell> wish they would release the transformer infinity
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: at least it's a free driver
[18:28] <popey> http://ask.linaro.org/questions/1421/segfault-when-running-opengl-es-related-applications
[18:28] <popey> ^^^
[18:31] <ali1234> what makes you think something is missing?
[18:31] <popey> subsequent tests which result in an error message looking for a libpvr driver
[18:32] <popey> I'll update the question later
[18:34] <ali1234> also you should install cordia or something, so you can see how a good touch UI works
[19:34] <bigcalm> Pub time \o/
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> Now, BBC Four, Ozzy/Black Sabbath
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon:
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> 4.5 hours)
[20:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep, not really my kind of thing, but i will take a watch.
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> but.. guitars!
[20:04] <brobostigon> yes, certainly.
[20:05]  * MartijnVdS has set his PC to record the sat stream
[20:05] <brobostigon> :)
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> status 1f | signal 0142 | snr 0073 | ber 00000000 | unc fffffffe | FE_HAS_LOCK
[20:07] <Azelphur> am I winning at cable management yet https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120706_205938.jpg
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Speaking of music, I bought a ticket for this: https://uk.patronbase.com/_Minack/Sections/Choose?prod_id=NP&perf_id=1
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: getting there
[20:08] <Azelphur> :D
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> That concert is a bit far away though
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> (both in time, as in space0
[20:09] <brobostigon> let me read, minute.
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's a sea-side open-air theatre 2 miles from Land's End :)
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: and it's next May
[20:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, sounds interesting, and i admit ignorance, i have no idea who she is.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I saw her in London a few months ago -- http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65507731C2EBA66A&feature=mh_lolz
[20:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, let me listen.


[09:27] <Scary_Guy> I'm not addicted, I can stop anytime I want to.  I just never want to :D
[09:28] <Scary_Guy> also "let's shame people for being human" or let's not and mind our own damn business
[12:39] <jrwren> non-sequitur or misdir
[12:56] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:58] <rick_h_> party
[13:05] <jrwren> feels like it should be friday, but its only Thursday.
[13:21] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:21] <cmaloney> I'm not sure any day feels like they day it should be.
[13:53] <Scary_Guy> feels like four Mondays, then a Friday usually
[13:56] <rick_h_> teaching my wife what an "editor" is today...feels like a monday
[13:56] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:56] <cmaloney> which sort of editor?
[13:56] <rick_h_> "I thought that was only there for taking notes"
[13:56] <cmaloney> Oh nice
[13:56] <rick_h_> she couldn't connect to starbucks wifi and found an askubuntu post using "sudo nano /etc/hosts"
[13:57] <rick_h_> which she didn't have nano on the machine so it said command not found, though it might have been because she missed the space after nano and before the /
[13:57] <rick_h_> so I told her to replace nano with gedit, I knew it was on there
[13:57] <rick_h_> and that brought up "what is this doing, what's a 'gehdit'"
[13:58] <rick_h_> anyway, now she thinks if she goes back to windows she'll be able to fix these things herself
[13:58] <cmaloney> Woo hoo
[13:58] <rick_h_> have at it
[13:58] <jrwren> a mac would never have the issues. :p
[13:58] <rick_h_> she went ubuntu because she was so mad at windows
[13:58] <rick_h_> :P
[13:59] <jrwren> it would just have other issues.
[13:59] <rick_h_> all computers do
[13:59] <jrwren> like... why is my kernel using 2.5GB of my memory?
[13:59] <cmaloney> a mac would not want to connect to the wifi without a dongle
[13:59] <jrwren> mac used to get better with every release. now it gets worse.
[14:00] <rick_h_> it's just funny having "I should be able to fix these things myself" followed directly up by "I don't want to learn how all this works. I don't have time for that"
[14:00] <rick_h_> had to do the "what would your parents do in this situation?"
[14:00] <rick_h_> and her realize that's what folks do.
[14:04] <rick_h_> I mean, at some point the various permutations/layers involved is untenable to always work
[14:04] <jrwren> i literally never have problems connecting to wifi on my apple devices.
[14:04] <jrwren> i realize that is only my experience and is annecdotal, and yet... it keeps be running this apple junk, because as bad as it is, I know its worse elsewhere.
[14:05] <rick_h_> yea, they've narrowed down a layer of the moving parts on their end by dictating the hardware set
[14:05] <rick_h_> linux/windows hasn't been able to do that
[14:05] <rick_h_> meh, I just figure stuff won't always work
[14:05] <rick_h_> so I asked her where the mifi was because that's known to work and she'd be off to the races vs looking up askubuntu stuff
[14:06] <jrwren> lemme guess. its at home :)
[14:07] <rick_h_> :)
[14:07] <rick_h_> which is where she's back at now that she can't work from the starbucks
[14:07] <rick_h_> anyway, very monday feeling
[14:08] <jrwren> yeah. that sucks.
[14:08] <rick_h_> with the rain to help give it that proper monday overcast
[14:08] <jrwren> i just get so angry at macos kernel_task CPU and memory usage. its infuriating.
[14:27] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Have you been to the Starbucks to see what they're doing?
[14:28] <cmaloney> I mean, not today, but in the past?
[14:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, they want you to create an account and sign in so I just mifi now.  Yes. shut up).
[14:35] <cmaloney> and found a video
[14:36] <cmaloney> the video literally was just some cutesy animation oabout how thos woman twas frustrated that she would get calls in the night
[14:36] <cmaloney> no instructions, no nothing.
[14:36] <cmaloney> 2 minutes of animation saying that it was possible and nothing else
[14:36] <cmaloney> and a list of model numbers of phones that support it
[14:36] <cmaloney> https://channel.panasonic.com/contents/12462/
[14:37] <jrwren> on youtube, right?
[14:38] <jrwren> i click on that, click play, and my work macbook pro plays it at full audio now matter what audio adjustment I set it to.
[14:40] <cmaloney> Oh that's nice
[16:41] <waldo323> jrwren, it heard you talking about how it just works i guess
[17:12] <jrwren> yeah, i dunno WTF.
[17:12] <jrwren> its super crazy tech day. everything is broken.
[17:23] <cmaloney> heh
[17:24] <cmaloney> I think it's karma saying "don't get cocky". ;)
[17:24] <jrwren> oh no. i complain about EVERYTHING
[17:24] <jrwren> i pretty much hate everything.
[17:25] <cmaloney> Have you considered knitting?
[17:26] <jrwren> i have!
[18:39] <waldo323> rebooting is often a good option for our users, tends to fix things/finish applying patches
[18:42] <jrwren> ;-;
[18:48] <cmaloney> blergh


[00:28] <hggdh> hello news folks, I need one event in the fridge schedule -- IRCC Meeting on Sep 9th @1800 UTC
[00:33] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2015-September/001822.html
[02:21] <nhandler> hggdh: You should be all set :)
[02:22] <Unit193> \o/
[02:22] <Unit193> Dnake.
[02:53] <hggdh> nhandler: danke
[02:53] <Unit193> Nice, without typos even.
[02:53] <hggdh> :-)
[02:53] <hggdh> bitt e?


[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[10:43]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[11:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:03] <popey> yo
[14:21] <MagicSponge> dpm, Are you doing the Q&A today ?
[14:21] <dholbach> ah yes, who's doing the Q&A today? :)
[14:22] <dpm> I can do it- mhall119 you were coming and bringing mariogrip along?
[14:22] <MagicSponge> Yes, it's a goodie today .
[14:28]  * MagicSponge hands out flyers for ubuntu-on-air.
[14:30] <mhall119> dpm: yes, I'll be on the Q&A with Marius
[14:30] <dpm> hi jose, morning/afternoon! have you had the chance to look at the "update source" action for ubucon.org?
[14:32] <jose> dpm: 'ello, I thought I pushed it? let me check when I get to work
[14:32] <MagicSponge> mhall119: Be nice if he could close the door to all his bitcoin mining exploits (Marius's) in the other room this time :) just sayin'
[14:32] <dpm> jose, ah, cool, didn't see the MP, might have missed it
[14:32]  * dpm checks
[14:34] <jose> oh, no mp yet, I was gonna do some branching of my own to test some of the stuff
[14:34] <jose> I'm gonna add a bit more later
[14:41] <MagicSponge> jose, Just a note, but you need to change the http://ubuntuonair.com/ IRC to #ubuntu-on-air :)
[14:41] <MagicSponge> It's on #juju atmo.
[14:55] <MagicSponge> jose, did you get that ?
[15:38] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Can someone please change the ubuntu-on-air IRC from #juju to #ubuntu-on-air Thanks.
[15:39] <belkinsa> MagicSponge, they might be busy.  I know that they change it in like in 15 minutes before the session.
[15:48] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: ^ ubuntuonair is not updated yet
[15:48] <dholbach> I'll at least change the IRC channel for now
[15:48] <dholbach> and date and stuff (I'll leave adding the video feed to you)
[15:51] <dholbach> MagicSponge, updated
[15:51] <dholbach> thanks
[15:51] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: did you guys do any promotion of the event today?
[15:51] <MagicSponge> k, great !
[15:53] <dpm> dholbach, I was on several calls this afternoon, I haven't. Posting now on FB and G+
[15:53] <dholbach> ok
[15:57] <MagicSponge> 3 minutes to go guys . good luck. Hope there's no bagpipes this week ;-)
[17:12] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:28] <pleia2> belkinsa: if you haven't yet, you can submit a ticket to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about the UW wiki
[17:29] <belkinsa> Alright, I will.
[17:29] <pleia2> <class 'MoinMoin.caching.CacheError'>: [Errno 28] No space left on device
[17:29] <pleia2> looks like the disk filled up
[17:29] <knome> o.o
[18:09] <pleia2> 4uanil-tripathi may be our first spam account that has tried to join the ubuntu-etherpad team
[18:10] <knome> mm
[18:10] <pleia2> account created in february, only launchpad activity is an ubuntu answers question that was closed as spam
[18:10] <wxl> oooh fun
[18:10] <knome> maybe we should discuss about the terms on accepting
[18:10] <wxl> knome: hm?
[18:10] <pleia2> we shouldn't blindly accept
[18:10] <knome> ^
[18:11] <pleia2> the odd name tipped me off "
[18:11] <pleia2> Rober lee"
[18:11] <wxl> shouldn't blinding accept ubuntu-etherpad users, you mean
[18:11] <pleia2> yeah
[18:11] <wxl> yeah i would say that would be fair
[18:11] <pleia2> I don't expect admins to do a ton of research, but if it's a new account, be cautious
[18:11] <knome> yep
[18:11] <wxl> nortbertocatron has been spamming
[18:11] <wxl> norberto
[18:11] <pleia2> this one was pretty clear with 1 minute of looking at their profile
[18:11] <knome> popey's fault ;(
[18:12] <wxl> popey let him in? the shame
[18:12] <knome> i didn't approve them because they had no other memberships
[18:12] <knome> that's why i said we should talk about accepting
[18:12] <pleia2> that's an old account
[18:12] <pleia2> I likely would have approved too
[18:12] <knome> because if we approve anybody who applies..
[18:12] <knome> i wasn't sure
[18:12] <knome> that's why i held off
[18:12] <knome> then i don't know what would have been the right way to confirm they are "real"
[18:12] <pleia2> well, not belonging to any teams doesn't mean anything, even for new accounts, we are telling people to sign up to launchpad in order to edit
[18:12] <wxl> i didn't get a notification, weird
[18:13] <belkinsa> Join the EtherPad Team allows edit access to the wikis, right?
[18:13] <pleia2> belkinsa: you're already a member via ubuntumembers :) no need to join directly
[18:13] <wxl> yes
[18:13] <pleia2> the user list is long enough /o\
[18:13] <knome> pleia2, of course not, but that doesn't increase the credivility either; opposed to being a member of a loco team etc.
[18:13] <belkinsa> I see, but it seems that I don't have the access.
[18:13] <belkinsa> To edit
[18:13] <pleia2> belkinsa: you may need to refresh
[18:13] <knome> or log out/in
[18:14] <pleia2> belkinsa: even a hard refresh, it does work for indirect members, wxl tested all this
[18:14] <belkinsa> Okay.  Let me do that.
[18:14] <pleia2> knome: oh yeah, that
[18:14] <wxl> i got it guys
[18:14] <wxl> google the email
[18:14] <wxl><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been spamming wikis all over
[18:15] <wxl> man i wish "remove member" was as easy as adding one ugh
[18:16] <popey> :(
[18:17] <wxl> removed
[18:17]  * pleia2 deletes spam
[18:17] <knome> so the following question is:
[18:17] <wxl> oooh you have that power on wiki.u.c.?
[18:17] <wxl> oh derp
[18:17] <wxl> i guess we all do
[18:17] <wxl> let me help
[18:17] <knome> what do we do with the LP account?
[18:17] <wxl> knome: +1
[18:18] <knome> should we leave it or ask somebody to remove it?
[18:18] <pleia2> you can ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[18:18] <wxl> well if we leave it they can't do anything with the email
[18:18] <pleia2> see if they want it
[18:18] <wxl> on the other hand
[18:18] <wxl> we have no way to mark it
[18:18] <wxl> someone will forget eventually
[18:18] <knome> should we create a blacklist of email addresses so we remember that we shouldn't approve them again?
[18:18] <wxl> +1 knome
[18:18] <wxl> let's ask IS for that
[18:18] <belkinsa> +1 knome
[18:19] <knome> sounds like an endless task though, and maybe it indeed should be done LP-internally
[18:19] <popey> how did that person know to join etherpad users?
[18:19] <popey> also, btw.. I didn't approve them knome
[18:19] <knome> hmm?
[18:19] <wxl> popey: it is in the "help," as i put it there for non-experienced users
[18:19] <pleia2> popey: I'm thinking mechanical turk kind of spammers, we do tell people
[18:19] <popey> 18:11 < knome> popey's fault ;(
[18:20] <popey> (nope)
[18:20] <popey> pleia2: yeah, plausible
[18:20] <knome> :P
[18:20] <belkinsa> pleia2, looks like you were right.  I just need to relog in.
[18:20] <wxl> pleia2: as i've identified before, these are not bots. these are real people.
[18:20]  * wxl heads over to IS
[18:21] <pleia2> wxl: yeah mechanical turk is a service where you pay other humans tiny amounts of money to do things only humans can do, very very common for this kind of spam
[18:21] <wxl> pleia2: oh. i'm not up on the fancy lingo ;)
[18:24] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+member/dkuvhcvjkvh looks questionable
[18:24] <wxl> but
[18:24] <pleia2> gah, wrong button
[18:24] <wxl> i can't find anything with a google search
[18:24] <wxl> should we try contacting?
[18:24] <pleia2> no, already declined
[18:25] <pleia2> the spammers have found the team
[18:25] <pleia2> (accidentally approved, then deactivated)
[18:25] <popey> Well, it was good while it lasted ㋛
[18:26] <wxl> well that's a dead giveaway at least
[18:29]  * pleia2 back to work
[18:33] <wxl> they do??
[18:33] <wxl> argh
[18:33] <wxl> can we edit that page???
[18:34] <pleia2> I suspect there's a cron job or something to periodically sync the user list
[18:35] <wxl> from what i know, they happen on demand
[18:35] <popey> their session will still be valid
[18:35] <popey> until they logout/in
[18:36] <pleia2> ah, maybe IS can kick them off
[18:36] <popey> delete the lp account is probably best
[18:37] <knome> sounds like a tedious task
[18:37]  * pleia2 nods
[18:37] <wxl> maybe get cjwatson on it?
[18:37] <pleia2> we can pop over to #launchpad to see
[18:37] <belkinsa> What is with this "LaunchPad Login" e-mail on our list?  Is it spam?
[18:37] <popey> what list?
[18:37] <czajkowski> commnunity team I suspect
[18:37] <belkinsa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-March/001122.html
[18:38] <czajkowski> belkinsa: not spam, maybe they're not able to explain what's going on easily
[18:38] <pleia2> belkinsa: not spam Paul's a good guy :)
[18:38] <belkinsa> czajkowski is right.
[18:38] <belkinsa> Oh.  I see.
[18:38] <wxl> i keep getting hit on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SUPPER%20NUMBER%20%3A%3A%3A%3A%20866%20570%208594%20Canon%20printer%20phone%20number..Canon%20printer%20support%20phone%20number.Canon%20printer%20tech%20support%20phone%20number with 500s
[18:38] <czajkowski> belkinsa: give people the benefit of the doubt first eh :)
[18:38] <belkinsa> Alright
[18:38] <pleia2> belkinsa: or at least google the name ;)
[18:39] <wxl> and now i'm getting 500s on the wiki
[18:39] <wxl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[18:39] <popey> well, lets give deej a chance
[18:39] <pleia2> wxl: all the deletes may have landed *you* in a spam trap
[18:39] <popey> we can but hope ㋛
[18:39] <knome> hopey
[18:39] <pleia2> wxl: might just need to wait for it to time out, I stopped deleting because my time is better spent elsewhere while the spamming is ongoing
[18:40] <popey> I know the spam cleanup scripts sometimes cause the wiki to go 500 on us
[18:40] <wxl> i'm asking another IS team member i know personally for advice on whether or not i can do the edit manually
[18:41] <belkinsa> Off Topic: Does anyone know if Spread Ubuntu is still active as a team/project?
[18:41] <pleia2> belkinsa: the site still runs and works, I still upload things to it
[18:41] <knome> i wonder if you're the only one
[18:41]  * knome hides
[18:41] <pleia2> I wouldn't say it's hugely active, but it's always been kind of a passive project
[18:41] <popey> yeah
[18:41] <belkinsa> Thanks.  I'm pointing someone to the project.
[18:41] <popey> depends on your definition of "active"
[18:41] <pleia2> no real team around it aside from the person who runs the site (he does still respond to bug reports)
[18:42] <wxl> active = not inactive :)
[18:42] <belkinsa> I guess the question is also, is the Ubuntu Marketing team active or not?
[18:43] <pleia2> belkinsa: not really
[18:43] <popey> that hasn't been active for years
[18:43] <belkinsa> Sigh.  I pointed someone over to that team but I guess he will have a hard time there then.
[18:43] <pleia2> marketing is done by canonical
[18:44] <pleia2> loco teams are where you should point someone if they want to do community-driven stuff
[18:44] <belkinsa> Alright, I did point them over to their LoCo, but's inactive one.
[18:44] <pleia2> I work in my loco team, then upload materials to spread-ubuntu to share
[18:44] <wxl> advice on dealing with people that are not obviously real folks? deny by default with a note to get in touch?
[18:44] <knome> if they are not real folks, why waste time in connecting?
[18:45] <belkinsa> Is Spread Ubuntu not driven by Canonical?
[18:45] <popey> no
[18:45]  * belkinsa thought it was Ali Jawad
[18:45] <wxl> look at https://launchpad.net/~ramroser0112 knome
[18:45] <pleia2> belkinsa: that's start ubuntu
[18:45] <belkinsa> Oh.
[18:45] <wxl> it's clear that the user is brand spanking new, but there's no obvious reason to state that they are not a legitimate user
[18:45] <pleia2> spread ubuntu is much much older
[18:45] <wxl> i can't believe spread ubuntu's not butter
[18:46] <belkinsa> pavlushka is the person who I'm talking about, pleia2.  He wants to work with his (inactive) LoCo to spread Ubuntu.
[18:46] <popey> mmmm butter
[18:46] <pleia2> belkinsa: good, maybe he can start the activity there :)
[18:46] <pleia2> it only takes one person (I should know)
[18:46] <pavlushka> Hi every one.
[18:46] <popey> hi
[18:46] <belkinsa> Yes, Kilos and me are talking to pavlushka about this.
[18:47]  * Kilos greets everyone too
[18:47] <Kilos> hiya pleia2 long time
[18:47] <popey> oh, you're in Bangladesh?
[18:47] <Kilos> you the one got me involved in all this
[18:47] <wxl> manually removed the user from the ACL. i'd prefer to ask for forgiveness later if that's bad.
[18:47] <pleia2> Kilos: hope you're doing well :)
[18:48] <Kilos> loving every minute ty pleia2
[18:48] <belkinsa> Who? pleia2?  She has gotten me active within the Community also.
[18:48] <pleia2> Kilos: wonderful to hear that
[18:48] <pavlushka> wxl, talking abt me?
[18:48] <pleia2> pavlushka: no, we're fighting some spam bots on the wiki x_x
[18:48] <pavlushka> wxl, Hi
[18:48] <wxl> pavlushka: no!
[18:48] <wxl> pavlushka: you're good :)
[18:48] <wxl> pavlushka: also, hi
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <pavlushka> wxl, couldn't be better.
[18:49] <wxl> pavlushka: so glad to hear it!
[18:49] <wxl> all spam removed
[18:50] <pleia2> thanks wxl
[18:50] <belkinsa> wxl, ramroser0112 does look like a spammer, no info on Google
[18:50] <wxl> belkinsa: well, they don't look like they're NOT a spammer, but there's nothing that says they clearly are
[18:50] <popey> if they get created today, have a mishmash of letters numbers and try and join the team, you can bet 99% they're a spammer
[18:50] <popey> it's not that hard to tell :)
[18:51] <wxl> yeah it's a fair assumption
[18:51] <pleia2> wxl: the format of their username and gmail account is consistent with other spammers
[18:51] <pleia2> they've all been<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:51] <wxl> i just hate potentially ruining some actual noob's day ><
[18:51] <popey> pfft
[18:51] <popey> that is statistically unlikely
[18:51] <wxl> k
[18:52] <popey> now, on UOS week... we may have more of a problem
[18:52] <belkinsa> Is this our first spam attack within the Community or has this happened before?
[18:52] <popey> As we'll get a natural influx of new blood
[18:52] <popey> this is the most sustained attack
[18:52] <pleia2> belkinsa: it started in december
[18:52] <popey> seems someone probably has us on a special list
[18:52] <popey> for their SEO purposes
[18:52] <pleia2> the ubuntu women wiki had a problem with spam a long while back
[18:52] <knome> popey, ask people to request accounts on a mailing list
[18:53] <popey> yeah, or up front
[18:53] <knome> if possible
[18:53] <popey> or ping us on irc for approval - or some other extra hoop :(
[18:53] <knome> yes
[18:53] <popey> Enter your 2 factor auth here [     ]
[18:53] <wxl> if these are "mechanical turks" they can easily say they have some legitimate need to help
[18:53] <popey> lets cross that bridge if/when
[18:54] <popey> Part of me thinks it's someone lurking here, or reading the logs.
[18:54] <wxl> that's what i thought too
[18:54] <popey> not a large part of me mind.
[18:54] <popey> :)
[18:55] <pleia2> the logs are public
[18:55] <knome> probably.
[18:55] <knome> but the point is, mechanical turks aren't willing to do a lot of work
[18:55] <belkinsa> Maybe that auto-generated chappa could be our next step?
[18:55] <popey> I don't trust this d p m guy, he looks dodgy
[18:55] <wxl> hahahahah
[18:55] <knome> yeah, three random letters
[18:55] <wxl> totally
[18:55] <wxl> oh
[18:55] <belkinsa> chatcha or whatever it's called.
[18:55] <wxl> wait.
[18:55] <knome> and that pleia2 person, has a number at the end of the nick
[18:56] <popey> captcha
[18:56] <knome> belkinsa, cha cha cha
[18:56] <wxl> belkinsa: that'd be good for bots. not so good for people. and we're all pretty sure this is people
[18:56] <belkinsa> Oh.
[18:56] <wxl> also soylent green is made out of people.
[18:56] <belkinsa> Hmmm.
[18:56] <wxl>  /nick wxl225
[18:56] <wxl> oops
[18:58] <wxl> hahah
[18:58] <wxl> now a message
[19:00]  * popey looks at Empyrium
[19:01] <wxl> maybe we should ask them to send $100 to each person on the channel
[19:01] <popey> give them a link to the donation page :)
[19:01] <pavlushka> wxl, lol
[19:04] <belkinsa> pleia2, do you know if the admin of the Spread Ubuntu team is still active within the Community?
[19:05] <pleia2> belkinsa: they still respond to bug reports
[19:05] <belkinsa> Do they repsond to new member requests to join or is that the owner's job?
[19:07] <belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~zdjxfgcw <--- spammer?
[19:08] <belkinsa> And other https://launchpad.net/~apikorek38
[19:08] <belkinsa> Based on the https://launchpad.net/projects/+all page
[19:12] <pleia2> belkinsa: you can just try emailing him :)
[19:14] <Kilos> night all
[19:15] <popey> nn Kilos
[19:26] <popey> Spammers seem to have left us alone for a little while
[19:26] <popey> maybe my reply "No, spammer" to the email helped ㋛
[19:26] <wxl> "oh, man! they found us out!"
[19:26] <popey> hah
[21:42] <mhall119> popey: we should require that anybody joining ~ubuntu-etherpad must have properly triaged at least one existing bug report
[21:42] <mhall119> maybe then the spammers will at least help us with triaging :)
[21:46] <popey> heh
[21:47] <popey> mechanical turk bug triage
[22:37] <mhall119> popey: https://xkcd.com/810/ was my inspiration :)


[05:55] <Unit193> ...Dang, I have a lack of motivation for the plugins.
[06:32] <knome> oh noes
[06:33] <knome> (hullo)
[06:37] <Unit193> Howdy!
[06:43] <knome> well, that was unexpected
[06:43] <knome> i merged a branch to master and... nothing exploded
[06:45] <Unit193> Hey!  I do that but with puppet pushes!
[06:46] <knome> on the other hand.. why is this working as it is
[06:46] <knome> oh well
[06:46] <knome> i guess that's the name of the game for today
[06:47] <knome> oh, right
[06:47] <knome> i see
[06:47] <knome> huzzah ¸o/
[07:12] <Unit193> PHP or wordpressy thingy?
[07:34] <knome> it's a wordpress plugin that we're developing with a partner with a codebase that i should know the best...
[07:35] <knome> but this is a feature merge that has been sitting and waiting for like 4 months
[07:35] <knome> (:
[07:37] <Unit193> Urgh..
[07:37] <knome> (see #shimmer for the worse horror)


[01:45] <Darkangel> curious* i was just wondering if this is the chat line Ubuntu-developers hangout at?
[02:18] <Patrickdk> not really
[02:18] <Patrickdk> more like beta testers
[03:23] <Hydr0p0nX> will the 14.04 alpha auto upgrade to full version when it's released ?
[03:26] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: there is only the one 14.04 version.. its not a "rolling release", but the repositories get updates as they come in
[03:28] <Hydr0p0nX> While i know it's not perfect, does it seem relatively stable ?
[03:29] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: its not released yet
[03:30] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: if you want stable, or released, use the released version. 14.04 could be rock solid now and for many days, then have an issue
[03:32] <Hydr0p0nX> released versions have an issue
[03:33] <Hydr0p0nX> i understand how pre-releases work, i'm asking for an opinion
[03:33] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: sure.. and, specific hardware cases dont support linux well
[03:33] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: the fact is, its not out yet. if you want stable, go with one of the stable releases..
[03:51] <Logan_> Hydr0p0nX: I only use it for development with gnome-session-fallback (not Unity), and it has been stable for me
[03:52] <Logan_> sorry, it's called gnome-session-flashback now
[03:54] <Hydr0p0nX> i'm looking to use it for a mythbox, 13.10 livecd has an issue with my usb keyboard/mouse, but hdmi audio out works, 12.04 has an issue with hdmi audio but keyboard/mouse work right
[03:54] <Hydr0p0nX> hoping with 14.04 both work
[03:54] <holstein> try it live and see.. you can just not run updates til april
[04:15] <pgnome> hello
[04:15] <pgnome> can anyone help me get google earth to work properly?
[04:16] <pgnome> my system is amd64 14.04
[04:16] <holstein> pgnome: not here, likely.. i would try whatever version of ubuntu google earth supports officially
[04:16] <pgnome> I installed 32-bit GE
[04:17] <holstein> pgnome: you could try the 64bit one, since you are running 64bit
[04:17] <pgnome> I thought I had to use 32-bit and multiarch
[04:17] <pgnome> I am using skype currently without problems and it's 32-bit w/ multiarch installed
[04:18] <pgnome> I don't understand why I'm having a problem
[04:18] <pgnome> I googled the error message and it might have to do with lib files?
[04:18] <pgnome> ./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:18] <pgnome> I don't understand the error enough - but
[04:19] <holstein> pgnome: they may not support 14.04
[04:20] <trism> pgnome: libglu1-mesa:i386 maybe
[04:25] <Patrickdk> issue with hdmi audio out?
[04:25] <Patrickdk> that has worked for me since pre-10.04
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: maybe its using another audio driver?
[04:28] <Patrickdk> maybe
[04:28] <Patrickdk> I only use nvidia cards, they use the intel driver
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: also its still in test phase, so alot can change in the future
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: play around a bit, if you cant get it straight file a bug
[04:29] <Patrickdk> do what?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: report a bug
[04:29] <Patrickdk> a bug for what?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: for your issue?
[04:29]  * Patrickdk not believing that 14.04 would support hdmi audio for something that didn't before?
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> there's a solution for everything right
[04:30] <Patrickdk> sounds like something in 14.04 default config changed to make the hdmi audio work, I seriously doubt it was a driver issue
[04:30] <Patrickdk> I never said there was a problem
[04:30] <Patrickdk> lack of reading on your part :)
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> oh, sorry it never worked
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> but now it works?
[04:30] <Patrickdk> I said it's worked since pre-10.04
[04:30] <Patrickdk> what part of that is a *bug*
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> nvm
[04:31] <Patrickdk> but I didn't say it worked out of the box
[04:32] <Patrickdk> hdmi audio did take me several hours, probably a good 10 total, to get working
[04:32] <Patrickdk> working reliable and rock solid
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> trusty seems solid to me
[04:33] <Patrickdk> things kept defaulting to the onboard soundcard, or non-digital
[04:33] <Patrickdk> took a bit to find and adjust all the configs
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> what did the trick exactly?
[04:34] <Patrickdk> a few things, loading the intel driver with correct options, so the hdmi audio was always in a predictable place (first sound card)
[04:34] <Patrickdk> second was to adjust the config files for alsa, vlc, pulse, ... to use the correct digital sound port on the card
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> i see
[04:34] <Patrickdk> I wanted digital, for at3/dts passthough
[04:35] <Patrickdk> that was just extra for me
[04:35] <Patrickdk> ac3
[04:35] <Patrickdk> but as he wants it for mythtv, likely the same for him
[04:36] <Patrickdk> only alittle annoying to do, but since I do it for mythtv also
[04:36] <Patrickdk> it's easy to replicate, just clone another machine, and off it goes
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[04:37] <Patrickdk> mine are iscsi boot, so it's I do just clone the disk image, and the new machine iscsi boots off it :)
[04:37] <Patrickdk> harddrives produce as much heat as the cpu
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> you can clone an ubuntu install with that to another pc?
[04:38] <Patrickdk> it's easy to clone, do it all the time
[04:38] <Patrickdk> only a few things to adjust
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> sounds nice
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> doesnt install is a bit strange on iscsi?
[04:39] <Patrickdk> change hostname, change udev/rules/70-persistant-net, and hosts.conf
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> i had a user once struggling with it
[04:39] <Patrickdk> if you use a desktop isntall, it's a pain
[04:39] <Patrickdk> if you use the server install, it just works
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> he had to give a username:password or something
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> ic
[04:39] <Patrickdk> that is optional, depending on how you setup iscsi security
[04:39] <Patrickdk> no security, not needed
[04:39] <Patrickdk> if you use chap security, then you need it
[04:40] <Patrickdk> and if you do 2way chap security, you need it twice :)
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> client and host
[04:40] <Patrickdk> I know all this very good, and I had a hell of a time attempting it using ubuntu desktop iso
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> well as you talk about it, it sounds easy :p
[04:41] <Patrickdk> the catch with the iscsi install is only if you secure it via initiator name
[04:41] <Patrickdk> ubuntu installer will pick a random name, then give the install another random name
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> you have to browse the network for that file right?
[04:41] <Patrickdk> heh?
[04:41] <Patrickdk> what file?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure anymore
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> or link to the host
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> in your network
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> so the desktop knows where the host is?
[04:42] <Patrickdk> yes
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> or can you setup standalone also?
[04:43] <Patrickdk> heh? the whole point of iscsi is it's not local
[04:43] <Patrickdk> if you wanted standalone you would install it to the local disk :)
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> yes, but could one install ubuntu server to run it standalone
[04:43] <Patrickdk> dunno what that means
[04:43] <Patrickdk> run it standalone?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> okay, i think thats what this user have a real pain
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> he wanted to in stall ubuntu desktop on an iscsi machine
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> without the other host
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> standalone desktop..
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> so ubuntu setup asked a network l:p
[04:45] <Patrickdk> I think your confusing something
[04:45] <Patrickdk> without the other host?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> dont you have to link always to other iscsi?
[04:45] <Patrickdk> yes
[04:45] <Patrickdk> it's like the sata cable going to your harddrive
[04:45] <Patrickdk> if the network to your iscsi host/target isn't working
[04:45] <Patrickdk> well, your cable to your disk isn't plugged in
[04:46] <Patrickdk> hard to install without a disk
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> link to your own local drive then?
[04:47] <Patrickdk> then your not using iscsi
[04:47] <Patrickdk> for me, the point was not to waste power/heat from the local drive
[04:47] <Patrickdk> mainly heat/noise
[04:47] <Patrickdk> so it loading from my server, that is always on anyways, was ideal
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> i see
[04:48] <Patrickdk> half the office at work, I do it the same way
[04:48] <Patrickdk> the computers iscsi boot windows from the server
[04:48] <Patrickdk> the server can manage snapshots, restore, reimage, ...
[04:49] <Patrickdk> since those are temporary usage machines, I reset the image after each use, so it's clean
[04:49] <Patrickdk> at home here, I do the same thing, just lots of ubuntu iscsi boot machines, for mythtv, and kids
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> so you running trusty everywhere?
[04:49] <Patrickdk> dunno what trusty is
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> 14.04
[04:50] <Patrickdk> that is what 14.04 is called?
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> yes
[04:50] <Patrickdk> na, I used to be very active doing this
[04:50] <Patrickdk> but since 13.04 we kindof got pushed out
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> but you run it right now ?
[04:50] <Patrickdk> with the ubuntu quality overhaul
[04:50] <Patrickdk> not yet
[04:50] <Patrickdk> I will be soon
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> why do you ask in this chan then?
[04:50] <Patrickdk> now that the holidays are over
[04:51] <Patrickdk> I have been in this channel for 6 years
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:51] <Patrickdk> ask?
[04:51] <Patrickdk> I was responding to someone else asking
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> or discuss
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ah
[04:51] <Patrickdk> dunno :)
[04:51] <Patrickdk> no other channels where active
[04:51] <Patrickdk> I normally don't talk in here often
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:52] <Patrickdk> I do read though, to keep up
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> my plan is to install LTS everywhere for users
[04:52] <Patrickdk> but going be putting 14.04 server through it's tests
[04:52] <Patrickdk> and since I do a lot of iscsi, I will be testing iscsi a lot
[04:52] <Patrickdk> I would almost always find a bug or two for iscsi installs before each release
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> well good news for the iscsi freakz then :p
[04:53] <Patrickdk> so have to get moving on those
[04:53] <Patrickdk> ya, they do automated kvm iscsi tests now
[04:54] <Patrickdk> since the tests are all local to the same machine, they seem not to catch some timing issues
[04:54] <Patrickdk> that my tests seem to catch using real networks
[04:55] <Patrickdk> after all that testing, I'll have to migrate my ppa's to 14.04, that can take awhile
[04:55] <Patrickdk> then likely in 2015, I'll be upgrading everything :)
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> did you follow iscsi ubuntu tutorials?
[04:56] <Patrickdk> nope
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> self search?
[04:56] <Patrickdk> I guess if you want to setup an iscsi server, you could
[04:56] <Patrickdk> but to do it as a client, no real need to
[04:56] <Patrickdk> it's just simple enough
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> if i understand what it does
[04:57] <Patrickdk> I'm not using ubuntu for my iscsi host/target
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> ic
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> tnx for talk
[05:19] <ThomasB> rhythmbox on 14.04 is terribly buggy :(
[05:24] <ThomasB> not that i'm surprised
[05:39] <BabaNK> hi all
[05:39] <BabaNK> i've upgraded to 14.04
[05:40] <BabaNK> now my xwindows completly messed up either with unity or gnome
[05:40] <BabaNK> when i login with unity then only blankscreen
[05:40] <BabaNK> i reinstalled unity compiz
[05:40] <BabaNK> and uninstall gnome
[05:40] <BabaNK> still same problem
[05:40] <BabaNK> can anybody help me
[05:41] <BabaNK> i can only enter into ctrl+alt+f1
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: wich 14.04 iso did you install?
[05:41] <BabaNK> no i did dist-upgrade -d
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: 14.04 is still in test phase right
[05:42] <BabaNK> yup i know
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: maybe a clean install would run smoother?
[05:42] <BabaNK> after upgrade first time it worked... then it stopped working (unity)
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: maybe to a recoverymode and failsafeX?
[05:42] <BabaNK> download ISO and install it?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: might be your graphics drivers
[05:43] <BabaNK> my xlog doesnt throw any error
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> i got iso from here
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> works flawless on my desktop
[05:43] <BabaNK> but screen is blank when i did startx from command prompt
[05:44] <BabaNK> or if i start gui then login screen will come after i enter password then blankscreen
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> try recoverymode mate, fix broken packages or failsafex
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> see what it does
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> otherwise: clean install
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: what was your previous version?
[05:45] <BabaNK> ubuntu 13.10
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: i think thats the prob
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: from non-LTS to LTS
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: i would recommend to clean install 14.04
[05:46] <BabaNK> ooo ok
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> see if you still got issues then
[05:46] <BabaNK> clean install will take at least 8 hours (download iso, take backup, install it :( )
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: backup your data before ok
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> yes i know mate
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> but upgrade from non-lts to lts can be tricky
[05:47] <BabaNK> lts means?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> !lts
[05:48] <BabaNK> so 13.10 is non-lts?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> so 14.04 will be lts, 5 years support
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> 13.10 9 months support
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: so if you clean install 14.04 you will be safe for 5years :p
[05:50] <BabaNK> but 14.04 is not fully released.. it is in testing version
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> yes, ive tested it on my desktop
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> and i find it real stable already
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> but that would be your choice ofcourse
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> depends on what you want/need
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> you can wait till april full release aswell
[09:55] <kandinski> hi, any idea how can I reset all compiz effects?
[09:55] <kandinski> they are slowing down my display a lot on intel embedded graphics
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[17:43] <pero> is it normal for apt to be grabbing 26mb of package lists on update?
[17:45] <penguin42> I think the full lists are pretty big like that
[17:59] <pero> is it like that on <14.04? i don't remember
[18:01] <jtaylor> pero: in development version you update the full list every time
[18:02] <jtaylor> post release it is split into the not changing base + updates
[18:02] <jtaylor> only updates changes so its usually much smaller
[18:02] <pero> makes sense, thx
[21:57] <Fudge> where is correct place to bug report against unity in daily trusty images
[21:57] <trism> Fudge: you can still use: ubuntu-bug unity;
[22:00] <Fudge> thanks trism  have not used that before
[22:01] <Fudge> looking to actually file a bug against unity though, not a crash.
[22:05] <trism> Fudge: yes it should still let you, unless something changed recently
[22:09] <Fudge> thanks
[22:38] <Fudge> works great, thanks trism
[23:38] <Fudge> anyone else experiencing buffering issues on totem streaming LAN media


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[02:43] <ailo> len-dt: But which of those things made the operation stable? Was it only removing ath9k, or all of them combined
[02:44] <ailo> We'll need test systematically, and document everything on the wiki later. Put up numbers, and maybe write some notes.
[02:44] <ailo> And to increase resolution, we should probably adjust frames/buffer as well
[02:44] <ailo> Between 2 and 3
[02:45] <ailo> So far it seems like you're getting a personal experience from these tunings, that only applies to one or two machines. We need more machines, and the same testing procedure on all of them
[02:46] <ailo> Even though, that experience of course is valuable when forming the tests
[02:47] <ailo> Time for another morning lap..
[03:55] <ailo> Every time I go the US user channel, there's been someone asking a question and then waited patiently for 3 min before leaving
[03:59] <ailo> len-dt: This might be handy for something http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/
[04:09] <ailo> astraljava: At some point I think it would be good to document some of the things that ubuntu devs do. It's kind of hard to form a picture about the whole procedure, since there's really no documentation about it right now
[04:11] <ailo> It would especially be helpful for new people wanting to join the dev team
[04:11] <len-dt> ailo, running test 2, swappiness turned down to 0. 6 hours so far no xruns.
[04:15] <ailo> len-dt: Could you reproduce the xruns you think you might have cause by stopping the screen saver?
[04:16] <ailo> Also, I don't know if I am correct in assuming that -lowlatency is not 100% realtime, and there may be random xruns at any point, without any apparent cause
[04:27] <ailo> astraljava: I'd like to go ahead and clean up the other wiki too. A lot of it is outdated, and those pages should either be removed or updated. One thing that is not clear to me is what roles people have in the team. I think it would be nice to update this page with relevant info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[04:36] <ailo> len-dt: What do you do when testing, other than keeping jack on?
[04:36] <ailo> Usually, jack itself is much more reliable than when you start using a program with it
[04:37] <ailo> Ardour is probably one of the best performing jack apps
[04:38] <ailo> If you are to test swap, wouldn't you need to challenge it somehow, by using the system for music production, but something that would normally involve swap?
[04:38] <ailo> I'm just thinking out loud
[04:39] <ailo> One simple thing that may cause xruns is just opening and closing windows, having the graphics work a bit
[04:44] <len-dt> ailo, this morning I got a pile of xruns with just jack running. Twice. I want to figure out what that was first. I have to have a baseline.
[04:44] <ailo> len-dt: Maybe try stuff with a minimal system, running only from the terminal?
[04:54] <astraljava> ailo: I would appreciate it very much. :) Could you write on the -devel list and ask people to update their commitments and responsible areas?
[05:04] <ailo> Bad internet. Bad, bad internet..
[05:13] <len-dt> ailo, I have tried stressing the system and found that I can run audio stuff till I run out of memory. CPU cycles is not a problem.
[05:14] <len-dt> Jackd is ,even at rest, putting out 44100 16 or 24 bit words to each channel even if they are all zeros.
[05:17] <len-dt> If something can muck up that even at idle, I need to know. My thought is something swapped... probably back in would be the worst. with swappiness at 0 that shouldn't happen. I'll know tomorrow :-)
[05:17] <ailo> len-dt: That is my conclusion too. Even when having both cores at 100% for lengthy periods, it won't bother jack, unless there is a realtime process competing with jack. And most processes are not doing that
[05:18] <len-dt> Once I have this problem solved I will turn things back on one at a time
[05:18] <len-dt> starting with PA-jack bridge.
[05:20] <len-dt> cron may take some time to test. I will have to test it with eth0 connected because wlan is a known problem for me (and If what I hear is correct a significant number of other people)
[05:21] <len-dt> ailo, Some things are less worrisome than others. Those things that cause problems right away as soon as they are turned on are easy to fix.
[05:31] <len-dt> It is rather the things that don't cause problems most of the time, like cron and friends, but could start something in the middle of things.
[05:31] <len-dt> ailo, You may have missed some
[05:39] <ailo> len-dt: Yeah, my connection sucks today. Need to wait almost 3 months to replace this crappy service
[05:40] <len-dt> Yuck.
[05:41] <len-dt> ailo, now that your back... I'm off to bed. I'll see where my xruns are in the morning.
[05:41] <ailo> len-dt: Ok. Good Night
[06:37] <ailo_> Seems like I won't be doing much work online today. Might as well do other things
[06:37] <ailo_> I'm logging out until this connection gets better
[11:54] <ttoine> hi
[13:28] <len-dt> scott-work, Sent you what I could for a bluprint. to your gmail
[13:43] <scott-work> len-dt: i got it, thanks :)
[13:43] <len-dt> scott-work, great.
[13:44] <scott-work> i've had a slightly disappointing weekend where i dealt with some unexpected issues and didn't get many things done that i had intended
[13:44] <scott-work> :(
[13:44] <scott-work> blueprints being one of those
[13:44] <scott-work> i hope to get them resolved in the next few days
[13:45] <len-dt> scott-work, I figured. NP I have been going ahead with testing. some things. Read the irc logs if you are interested/have time.
[13:46] <scott-work> i will read them, it may be in a couple of days however
[13:46] <len-dt> scott-work, I figured having the BP was more important.
[13:49] <len-dt> this is a holiday in Canada so I am home till the family figures out where we are going.
[14:21] <scott-work> we have a holiday next monday, it's possible kate stewart (the release manager) might yell at me before but if i don't get the blueprints done soon i will have a three day weekend to complete them ;)
[14:27] <len-dt> scott-work, it seems may 31 is the deadline?
[14:35] <scott-work> is it?  do you have a link?
[14:38] <len-dt> scott-work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:38] <len-dt> may 31 is FeatureDefinitionFreeze
[14:40] <scott-work> i think that's more for "features" in applications, so this gives time to work out bugs in new features
[14:40] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureDefinitionFreeze talks about "landing in main"
[14:40] <scott-work> "main" being the main repository for applications
[14:42] <len-dt> scott-work, the whole idea of bluprints and all these dates for this and that are still kind of confusing for me. Starting to make sense, but mostly someone says this has to be done by this date, I just go "OK"
[14:44] <len-dt> Thats what you are there for :-)
[14:46] <scott-work> hehe
[14:47] <scott-work> unfortunatly i don't think the blueprints are really documentated to the point where they due date is published
[14:47] <scott-work> this is a good place for much information about blueprints:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/about.html
[14:47] <scott-work> i am remiss to not have pointed it out before
[14:47] <scott-work> and this is different than the one i gave before
[14:48] <scott-work> this is more techincal knowledge about how blueprints are made and used
[14:57] <len-dt> For some of us it is too much information anyways.
[14:58] <len-dt> scott-work, anyway. I have a working mode change setup now and am using it to test tweaks.
[15:14] <scott-work> eh, len-dt, i realize they changes some of that status.ubuntu.com blueprint information
[15:15] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto has other information about how to stage work items, this is actually more handy
[15:15] <scott-work> granted it is still a lot of information but it shows you how it will be used
[15:31] <len-dt> just learning about how the kernel does swapping... it seems if the kernel swaps in something even not to do with audio. The swap itself can affect the audio performance.
[15:43] <len-dt> scott-work, so generating bugs seems to be the preferred way of adding things.
[15:54] <len-dt> The whole idea being to automate progress tracking.
[16:00] <scott-work> len-dt: i wouldn't say "bug" that bugs are to be used for feature requests or improvements, but i agree that the intent is to automate progress tracking
[16:00] <scott-work> errr
[16:01] <scott-work> "i wouldn't say that bugs are to be used..."
[16:01] <scott-work> things like unity or multiple-monitor improvements probably didn't have many bugs when they started the process (although i'm sure bugs now exist for them) :P
[16:04] <len-dt> scott-work, what I was saying I guess, is that the progress reports prefer to point to a url such as a bugreport/feature request rather than have textual changes in it's own document.
[16:05] <len-dt> And reading again, there will be some things that are put in text when the document is created, but bugs are what is expected for changes after that.
[16:07] <len-dt> Anyway, I am probably focusing on tweaks and apps for setting tweaks this cycle. Fixing the menu and adding something like qasmixer would be nice too
[16:07] <scott-work> i would say that blueprints serve various functions, not all of which are used everytime
[16:08] <scott-work> sometimes they are used for brainstorming and then developing into actionable "work items" and finally used to track progress
[16:08] <scott-work> sometimes the brainstorming is quite an extensive time
[16:08] <scott-work> others the brainstorming isn't really needed because both the problem and solution are clearly defined (which is usually the case with us for most times)
[16:09] <scott-work> your blueprint might include more of the brainstorming because we are still exploring what might and what might not be a solution
[16:09] <scott-work> although by the time the blueprint is actually written, you might have already worked through that issue :P
[16:10] <scott-work> but mainly i think blueprints were conceived of a way to define (overall) what improvements (whether new features or fixing things) are to be done during a cycle and then tracking that progress
[16:10] <len-dt> scott-work, I am finding out why I am not in management... :P   To me this is all about saying the same thing in different ways, something I am not too good at or perhaps not too patient with
[16:11] <len-dt> I can see the need for standardising the way things are laid out though.
[16:11] <scott-work> sometimes the differing semantics are important, but probably not in most of these cases
[16:15] <len-dt> I'm best with tinkering I think. I'm learning to be careful not to assume too much and try to make sure the results I am getting really say what I think they do.


[05:12] <justgreg> Hey all, thoughts on getting the pulseaudio connection in qjackctl to show up reliably?
[05:13] <justgreg> It shows up sometimes, but not always.
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