[01:51] <xubuntu81w> hello all'
[01:51] <holstein> o/
[01:51] <xubuntu81w> got a serious issue
[01:51] <xubuntu81w> on my 14.04 install
[01:51] <xubuntu81w> it wont let me update and freezes after about 5 mins after logging in
[01:51] <xubuntu81w> it started freezing after it quit updating
[01:52] <holstein> sounds like something where i would want to test the hardware, a bit..
[01:52] <xubuntu81w> it gets an x org error
[01:52] <holstein> stopping an update is a bad idea.. but, that could be due to a hard drive issue, or who knows
[01:52] <xubuntu81w> but i can't change the display driver
[01:52] <holstein> what i would do is, not bother with any drivers, at all..
[01:52] <holstein> i would make the update complete.. in tty if necessary
[01:52] <holstein> !tty
[01:53] <holstein> if i cant get that to happen, i would test the hard drive and memory, and see if its overheating.. talk about why the update failed the first time, and go from there..
[01:54] <xubuntu81w> how do i find out why the system does not update, it says failure on removing packages
[01:54] <holstein> xubuntu81w: im saying, i would make the update complete.. i would use tty to do that, if i cant login
[01:54] <holstein> xubuntu81w: i would share, why the update failed the first time. why did you stop it..
[01:54] <xubuntu81w> did not stop it
[01:54] <xubuntu81w> it just errored
[01:55] <xubuntu81w> then would start to freeze a couple weeks later
[01:55] <holstein> xubuntu81w: you said, "it quit updating"
[01:55] <holstein> xubuntu81w: what does that mean? it quite updating? when?
[01:55] <xubuntu81w> it would not update any more
[01:55] <holstein> xubuntu81w: what was the error, friend?
[01:55] <xubuntu81w> just gave an error "saying can't remove package"
[01:55] <holstein> xubuntu81w: cant remove what package?
[01:55] <xubuntu81w> thats what i need to find out
[01:56] <xubuntu81w> where to look
[01:56] <holstein> xubuntu81w: anyways, nm that.. just open a terminal, and use this command.. "sudo apt-get update"
[01:56] <holstein> !paste
[01:56] <holstein> to share error output.. share the entire output if you dont know
[01:56] <xubuntu81w> ok cool
[01:56] <holstein> then, if no errors, run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share errors..
[01:57] <xubuntu81w> ok, i am in windows 10, let me reboot into xubuntu
[01:57] <xubuntu81w> brb
[02:04] <xubuntu81w> yeah so here is the error, apt-get update worked , but errored on dist-upgrade
[02:04] <xubuntu81w> Preconfiguring packages ... dpkg: error: reading package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/available': Input/output error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[02:05] <holstein> xubuntu81w: worked? you mean, "sudo apt-get update" completed without error?
[02:05] <xubuntu81w> yeah
[02:05] <xubuntu81w> sudo apt-get update did not have any errors
[02:05] <xubuntu81w> if i have to reboot, its because the os can freeze at any time
[02:06] <holstein> xubuntu81w: if the OS is freezing, that would make me want to test the memory and hard drive.. have you?
[02:06] <xubuntu81w> how to test hard drive?
[02:06] <holstein> xubuntu81w: i use gsmartcontrol from a live instance
[02:07] <xubuntu81w> is gsmartcontrol on a live xbuntu instance
[02:07] <xubuntu81w> *xubuntu
[02:07] <xubuntu81w> i think it is the drive
[02:07] <holstein> xubuntu81w: i have no idea if it ships with it, but, i install it if its not there
[02:08] <xubuntu81w> it is a new 1 tb from best buy
[02:08] <xubuntu81w> but I installed mint 17.1 and it also locked up randomly
[02:08] <holstein> right.. which, makes me think its hardware.. doesnt it you?
[02:08] <xubuntu81w> but this install of xubuntu worked for like 2 months just fine
[02:09] <xubuntu81w> then now cant remove packages
[02:09] <holstein> xubuntu81w: thats not the error i read
[02:09] <xubuntu81w> but it does give me an xorg error when it locks up
[02:09] <holstein> xubuntu81w: please give *entire* error messages
[02:09] <holstein> !paste
[02:09] <xubuntu81w> should i do a fresh install of xubuntu
[02:09] <holstein> xubuntu81w: i would test my hard drive..
[02:10] <xubuntu81w> can i just do it inside xubuntu
[02:10] <xubuntu81w> or do i have to do it through a live instance
[02:10] <holstein> xubuntu81w: i dont. i want a good test from a live instance
[02:10] <holstein> xubuntu81w: you can do what you like, but, im telling you how i do it, to get the proper result i want/need
[02:11] <xubuntu81w> yeah, it wont install anything
[02:11] <xubuntu81w> error on installation
[02:12] <xubuntu81w> hmmmm
[02:12] <holstein> xubuntu81w: you need to stop trying to install things
[02:12] <holstein> xubuntu81w: you'll have to get "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" issues fixed.. you can share the *entire* error with me, and i can look, if you like
[02:12] <holstein> xubuntu81w: nothing will work, package management-wise, with your system broken, as it is
[02:13] <holstein> its broken, and wont do anything.. no need to try and install, or remove, or fix drivers. you have to fix the errors with the packages first
[02:14] <xubuntu81w> yeah, this thing is really messed up graphically to
[02:14] <xubuntu81w> bunch of black boxes opening
[02:14] <xubuntu81w> *too
[02:14] <holstein> xubuntu81w: sounds like something, again, that would make be get a live iso out, and test the memory, and hard drive
[02:14] <holstein> but, it could be anything.. i dont know what you were installing before the breakage..
[02:15] <xubuntu81w> thanks, will do, be back in a bit, thanks for all the help
[02:15] <xubuntu81w> lots of things
[02:15] <xubuntu81w> mainly themes, and icon sets
[02:15] <xubuntu81w> i think i broke it
[02:15] <holstein> well, if you broke the install, then, there is nothing wrong with the hard drive, likely
[02:15] <xubuntu81w> next time i won't try to get different looking icon sets
[02:16] <holstein> you can.. you can just ask about how to install what it is you are looking for, before
[02:16] <holstein> but, you said mint and ubuntu are both bad, on the same drive..
[02:16] <xubuntu81w> yeah
[02:16] <xubuntu81w> its weird
[02:16] <xubuntu81w> but xubuntu was fine for 2 months, but I was putting lots of icon sets and themes on
[02:17] <xubuntu81w> so I'm not sure if it was me or the drive, but why would it go for so long with no lock up
[02:17] <xubuntu81w> mint had weird errors
[02:17] <xubuntu81w> like really really slow downs
[02:17] <holstein> what would i do? test, to be sure... then, move on to paste the *exact* error messages here
[02:17] <xubuntu81w> and Ubuntu also
[02:17] <holstein> xubuntu81w: that can be due to a GPU driver..
[02:17] <xubuntu81w> ok, cool, be back in a sec
[02:17] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[02:17] <xubuntu81w> hmmmm
[02:18] <xubuntu81w> yeah and the error i get before lock up is xorg error
[02:18] <xubuntu81w> and everytime on a reboot
[02:18] <holstein> error? or message?
[02:18] <xubuntu81w> can i do a restore on the system
[02:18] <holstein> anyways, i need the *exact* messages..
[02:19] <holstein> xubuntu81w: you should have backups, regardless.. then, you can restore as you please
[02:19] <xubuntu81w> is there a log file with all error messages
[02:19] <xubuntu81w> ?
[02:19] <holstein> there are many log files..
[02:19] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/186276/where-are-all-the-major-log-files-located
[02:22] <xubuntu81w> ah found them
[02:23] <xubuntu81w> sweet
[02:26] <xubuntu81w> how to restore to previous date, or is that possible
[02:28] <xubuntu81w> can i just do a clean install of the os, or will that screw up grub since i have windows 10 on here also
[02:34] <holstein> xubuntu81w: many ways. what i do is, i make an image, and i restore that image
[02:35] <holstein> xubuntu81w: you can do anything.. but, you should plan on grub, and the entire drive getting "screwed up", and back up what you need
[08:06]  * newbeen slaps roniez around a bit with a large fishbot
[08:07] <knome> newbeen?
[08:11] <newbeen> lol
[08:11] <knome> no, stop doing that.
[08:14] <newbeen> so quiet here..
[08:14] <knome> yes, this is a support channel, not a chat.
[08:14] <newbeen> ups sorry, my bad
[09:45] <xubuntu14w> Hello?
[09:46] <xubuntu14w> New user from Windows, how do I remove the grey bar below the start menu and above the tabs bar? It has the close and resize buttons on it
[09:48] <xubuntu14w> Can anyone help me?
[09:49] <knome> !patience | xubuntu14w
[09:49] <knome> well also, you have waited 2 minutes...
[09:50] <knome> xubuntu14w, do you mean the area with your username and commands like shutdown and settings or something else?
[09:53] <xubuntu14w> Sorry, I was waiting for verbal confirmation so I could know someone was there. knome: It's the bar with the x, +, - buttons and an arrow pointing down.
[09:53] <knome> the window titlebar?
[09:54] <xubuntu14w> I.. think so?
[09:54] <knome> can you send a screenshot?
[09:56] <xubuntu14w> Is there a preferred image host here? Or can I use whatever?
[09:57] <knome> the screenshooter can send files directly to imgur, so that's probably the easiest - but you can use whatever
[09:58] <knome> (at least in newest releases)
[09:59] <xubuntu14w> https://imgur.com/O80Lv54
[10:00] <knome> yes, that's the window title...
[10:00] <knome> why would you want to get rid of that?
[10:02] <koegs> there are two ways i think, remove title bar on maximize or remove title bar altogether :)
[10:02] <xubuntu14w> was hoping to make it look more like windows with the x, +, - buttons on the tab bar
[10:03] <koegs> aah, "that" firefox thing
[10:03] <knome> xubuntu14w, removing the title bar isn't really a good idea, but some applications do have "CSD" enabled, which basically means they put their controls on the titlebar
[10:05] <xubuntu14w> "remove title bar on maximize" how do I do this? Is there a way to change the color of the title bar?
[10:09] <auscompgeek> you can change the xfwm4 theme
[10:10] <xubuntu14w> Got it, thanks.
[10:11] <knome> xubuntu14w, settings manager -> window manager tweaks -> tab accessibility -> "hide titel of windows when maximized"
[10:12] <knome> but it of course only affects windows that are maximized... and the controls aren't visible
[14:02] <Casper-> hey, how do you make the 'highlight' around the desktop-icons-text, squared (instead of rounded)?
[14:02] <Casper-> http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2012_1/xubuntu-pimp-opaque-icons.jpg
[14:03] <Casper-> i like the squared look. (like Numix).  i dont like rounded corners :(
[14:05] <holstein> Casper-: https://launchpad.net/~numix/+archive/ubuntu/ppa numix maintains a PPA..
[14:08] <Casper-> thanks, but i dont think Numix makes the highlight squared
[14:08] <knob> Do you guys knows if apcupsd can turn off the UPS, and then cycle it back-on?
[14:23] <holstein> Casper-: i think it'll just be a matter of looking for the theme that implements what you are looking for. http://xfce-look.org/ for example..
[14:23] <holstein> Casper-: im really not sure how easily editable that is, in a theme, but, you can try in a more xfce specific channel.. maybe there, they would be able to tell you how to simple square that look up to your liking
[14:25] <Casper-> holstein: i just installed Numix again, doesn't sqaure it.  thanks though.  i'm thinking its not the theme, that it is some other setting somewhere
[14:29] <Casper-> holstein: what is the best channel for editing themes anyway?  i like the high contrast of Clearlooks, with the squared-look of numix  :)
[14:30] <holstein> Casper-: i might try a more general xfce channel.. or, just general xfce documentation.. gtk, etc
[14:33] <Casper-> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=109494
[14:34] <Casper-> ^ that is like a high contrast Numix.  Now i'm looking for that, for GTK3
[14:38] <Travis> Hello
[14:38] <knome> hello
[14:39] <Travis> I was about to ask my question in the wrong channel.
[14:39] <knome> congratulations for dodging the bullet
[14:40] <Travis> It's a Wine question.
[14:41] <knome> i prefer beer.
[14:50] <Travis> Looks like I am not getting an answer.
[14:50] <knome> well, you haven't asked the question
[14:51] <knome> please do that and we'll see if anybody knows the answer
[14:51] <Travis> I am having difficulty getting a program to work under Wine.
[14:52] <Travis> It gives me an error at the end of the installation.
[14:54] <cfhowlett> Travis, no detailz >>>> no anwerz
[14:54] <Travis> It didn't give me any error code or anything like that.
[14:55] <cfhowlett> Travis, then you should ask the wine channel.
[14:55] <Travis> Something about a problem with wine or the program, then a link to the supported program page.
[14:55]  * knome tries to turn on his telepathy module but the brain denies
[14:55]  * cfhowlett looks over and sees that Ms. Cleo has taken the night off.
[14:55] <xangua> knome:  try sudo apt-get install telepahy-core
[14:55] <knome> Travis, if you want help, we need accurate errors, "some app doesn't work with wine and it gives me an error message" isn't helpful at all
[14:57] <Travis> I am reinstalling it, to see what it says.
[14:59] <Travis> There's a C++ exception and a long register and stack dump
[14:59] <knome> !pastebin | Travis
[15:00] <Travis> Here's the problem
[15:00] <knome> Travis, it would also help if you told what the app was.
[15:00] <Travis> I am not on the same computer as the Xubuntu one :D
[15:00] <Travis> Paltalk
[15:01] <knome> that doesn't get us to the same page, so i think it's better ask again when you are
[15:02] <Travis> pastebin.com/TKTpNMZP
[15:02] <Travis> oops
[15:02] <Travis> pastebin.com/TKTpNMZp
[15:03] <Travis> That one
[15:04] <knome> Travis, https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3824
[15:04] <knome> Travis, also, #winehq
[15:05] <xangua> if you want to videochat, why don't you use skype or a native linux voip program?
[15:06] <Casper-> ring.cx
[15:06] <Casper-> VOIP ^  encrypted
[15:06] <Travis> Blah
[15:07] <Travis> I am on Paltalk most of the time.
[15:07] <Travis> Two, it's been something I've been toying with anyway.
[15:08] <Travis> Looks like it doesn't work at all.
[15:08] <xangua> there is also this Viber app, works better on the phone than Skype and has a Linux desktop client
[15:09] <Casper-> Viber is closed source,  and not encrypted  :(
[15:10] <Casper-> for phone:  Redphone/Signal
[15:10] <Casper-> https://whispersystems.org/
[15:11] <Travis> Looks like Paltalk is no longer able to be ran on Xubuntu, because WINE does not support it.
[15:13] <Travis> THis blows
[15:55] <xubuntu794> hey guys
[15:56] <xubuntu794> hey guys, i just installed xubuntu and well when i restart, this is embarassing,  it does not restart
[15:57] <holstein> xubuntu794: what is it doing? just hanging? or literally not starting up? is there anything happening? any lights, or messages?
[15:58] <xubuntu794> just hanging
[15:58] <xubuntu794> it loops by telling me to
[15:58] <holstein> cool.. so, at shutdown, is is just hanging?
[15:58] <holstein> i have a laptop here, that, when i select restart, it hangs.. i just try and remember not to select that option
[15:58] <xubuntu794> on boot it loops by telling me to insert hs
[15:59] <xubuntu794> hd
[15:59] <holstein> xubuntu794: so, is this at shutdown, it hangs, and doenst shutdown? or, on startup, it hangs and doesnt start?
[15:59] <xubuntu794> on startup it hangs and doesnt start
[16:00] <xubuntu794> it loops a message
[16:01] <xubuntu794> the install is fresh, it's my first reboot and it does not reboot at all
[16:02] <xubuntu794> i did the install myself so thats not the problem and i wiped the cpu before
[16:02] <holstein> xubuntu794: cool.. what is the "exact" message?
[16:02] <xubuntu794> ill reboot, leave me a sec
[16:02] <holstein> xubuntu794: you likely didnt wipe any "cpu".. you likely mean, you wiped the hard drive?
[16:02] <holstein> xubuntu794: anyways, sounds to me like, you installed the OS, but, you may not have gotte grub installed
[16:02] <xubuntu794> i wiped the hd, yes
[16:02] <holstein> fromm a live iso, you can simply try repairing grub..
[16:02] <xubuntu794> yes that is what i beleive
[16:03] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for example
[16:03] <xubuntu794> boot repair
[16:03] <holstein> but, if you literally pulled a drive off the shelf, that you dont konw anything about, you may want to test it, as, it could be failing and causing the issue.. or, it could be a bios setting preventing the boot
[16:04] <xubuntu794> this is a laptop and the toshiba sign appears
[16:04] <xubuntu794> before i get the message
[16:04] <holstein> sure.. thats the bios.. that will appear if you had no hard drive in the machine
[16:05] <holstein> that actually supports the theory that you didnt install grub.. or, something about the hardware prevented that.. breakage, safe boot.. bios settings.. etc
[16:06] <xubuntu794> safe boot is off, bios settings are ok
[16:06] <holstein> sure.. but, if the hardware doesnt allow you to boot a hard drive with safe boot off, then, you wont be able to boot anything
[16:06] <holstein> and, im not saying thats the issue, just that, its something that can break boot..
[16:07] <xubuntu794> that's my main fear
[16:07] <holstein> fear?
[16:07] <xubuntu794> that the hardware won't let grub do it's job
[16:08] <holstein> try and just address any fear you have.. take the hard drive to another machine.. tweak the settings.. i mean, its a fresh install, with nothing else on the drive, so, there really is no fear of losing data
[16:09] <holstein> i think, from what i read, my steps would be.. test the hard drive. something like gsmartcontrol from live iso.. then, i would simply check that grub is installed, with boot repair, or something else from the live iso.. then, i would look at my bios settings more closely
[16:10] <holstein> i know, i had to tweak the ones on this machine to do the same thing.. there *is* a setting in my bios, that looked quite "normal", that, if i choose it, the hard drive doesnt boot
[16:11] <xubuntu794> thanks for the help holstein
[16:59] <xubuntu70w> how do you manually install a bootloader
[17:00] <GridCube> !grub
[17:01] <GridCube> !bootrepair
[17:02] <xubuntu70w> i tried boot-repair, i wouldnt ask if i hadnt tried the obvious answer
[17:03] <xubuntu70w>  boot-repair says i dont have a boot loader
[17:04] <GridCube> are you installing from a pendrive?
[17:04] <GridCube> grub migh have ended on it
[17:04] <GridCube> also
[17:04] <GridCube> !uefi
[17:04] <xubuntu70w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12308287/
[17:06] <GridCube> everything should be fine xubuntu70w
[17:06] <GridCube> what is your issue?
[17:06] <xubuntu70w> i cant boot
[17:07] <GridCube> how is your efi setup?
[17:07] <GridCube> is it on legacy?
[17:08] <xubuntu70w> its on UEFI
[17:08] <GridCube> try legacy
[17:08] <xubuntu70w> ok
[17:09] <xubuntu70w> but my grub2 is ok^
[17:09] <GridCube> even though efi shows the ubuntu entry
[17:09] <GridCube> so, you get the grub stage
[17:09] <GridCube> so the computer boots but then it doesnt load the OS?
[17:10] <xubuntu70w> when i boot i get the insert system disk in drive message
[17:10] <xubuntu70w> it tried compatibility and uefi just to make sure
[17:10] <GridCube> and you dont see the grub stage?
[17:10] <xubuntu70w> no i press shift i cant access grub if that is what you are asking
[17:11] <GridCube> you can see this http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/sshot-3.png
[17:11] <xubuntu70w> no
[17:11] <GridCube> thats the grub stage
[17:11] <GridCube> its where you choose if load ubuntu or windows
[17:11] <xubuntu70w> i dont have windows
[17:12] <GridCube> thats irrelevant then
[17:12] <GridCube> boot-repair said that the mbr was on sdb
[17:12] <xubuntu70w> ye
[17:12] <GridCube> your efi might be trying to load from sda
[17:12] <xubuntu70w> yes*
[17:13] <xubuntu70w> so i would need to redirect it
[17:13] <GridCube> try to change that, you migh be able to press F11 or something to force the efi loader to show you a list of booteable devices
[17:13] <GridCube> and choose sdb
[17:14] <GridCube> you might be able to use boot-repair and tell it to install the boot loader to sda
[17:15] <xubuntu70w> ok
[17:16] <GridCube> is sdb a harddrive or is it a pendrive?
[17:16] <GridCube> oh, it looks like a 16gb pendrive
[17:17] <xubuntu70w> it is a partition of my hard drive
[17:17] <GridCube> no
[17:17] <GridCube> its not
[17:17] <xubuntu70w> ok
[17:18] <GridCube> if it where a partition it'd be sda1 or sda2 or something, the b means is a whole different drive
[17:18] <xubuntu70w> if it is a pendrive then i need to install on sda1 or
[17:18] <xubuntu70w> install grub2 on sda*
[17:18] <GridCube> look at data dump of bootrepair, sdb has 1 partition sdb1 of 16gb in fat32
[17:19] <GridCube> yes xubuntu70w
[17:19] <xubuntu70w> yeah seems like my usb
[17:20] <GridCube> use boot repair to install grub on sda :)
[17:20] <xubuntu70w> so i should reinstall grub2 with boot-repair and use standard efi file
[17:20] <GridCube> yes
[17:20] <GridCube> that sounds correct
[17:21] <xubuntu70w> and i boot by default on sda1
[17:21] <GridCube> yes
[17:21] <GridCube> becuase its your only drive :3
[17:21] <xubuntu70w> boot repair says i boot in da2
[17:21] <xubuntu70w> sda2
[17:22] <xubuntu70w> anyway thanls for the help its really saving my life
[17:23] <GridCube> xubuntu70w: just tell it to move to sda
[17:23] <GridCube> maybe you need to create an efi partition at the very begining of the drive
[17:24] <GridCube> but boot-repair usually takes cares of that
[17:24] <xubuntu70w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12308750/
[17:25] <GridCube> so you have a efi partition at sda1
[17:25] <GridCube> just tell boot-repair to use that
[17:25] <xubuntu70w> ok
[17:26] <GridCube> >place grub into [sda]
[17:26] <GridCube> :3
[17:26] <xubuntu70w> how do i do that
[17:32] <xubuntu70w> how do i change the bootpartition that is called
[17:33] <xubuntu70w> i can still see with fdisk that sdb is called for boot
[17:34] <holstein> i just use bootrepair to reinstall grub as i need, and as it will work best for my system
[17:34] <holstein> i do that from a live iso
[17:36] <xubuntu70w> i did reinstall grub with boot repair
[17:36] <xubuntu70w> but it still calls sdb
[17:38] <holstein> it?
[21:48] <crans> anyone know of a way to fix my browser from crashing randomly? youtube won't load whatsover and if it does it takes forever to come up but crashes before a video can play
[21:48] <holstein> crans: i would try supported flash, from the chrome browser.. and, also try html5.. check your GPU drivers. etc
[21:49] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ see that you are using current flash
[21:51] <crans> kk im checking now for the flash version, how do i check my gpu drivers? I just did a fresh install and this is my first time using xubuntu
[21:52] <crans> ive got 2gb of ram and a 992mhz processor but scrolling down a webpage is like pulling teeth lol
[21:54] <knome> i've noticed turning off "smooth scrolling" helps, at least visually
[21:54] <holstein> knome: agreed..
[21:54] <jjlava> Hello, new Xubuntu user here with a quick question, is there a firewall installed in Xubuntu by default? I tried looking for Firestarter in the software center but it's not there.
[21:54] <knome> though i always keep that disabled even with more recent machines...
[21:55] <knome> jjlava, just iptables, but it isn't set to do anything
[21:55] <jjlava> hmm, wondering if I need one, I built this as a spare / backup machine and don't plan to use it for much web surfing.
[21:57] <knome> jjlava, http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/C/guide-keeping-safe.html
[21:58] <jjlava> Oh thanks,knome.
[21:58] <knome> no problem. the documentation is shipped with each xubuntu release as well, in menu -> help...
[22:00] <jjlava> Yeah I just got it up and running... found it... will read it over tonight. I just wondered about the firewall because I couldn't find anything in the repositories.
[22:01] <knome> there are many alternatives in the repositories
[22:01] <knome> !find firewall
[22:02] <knome> !search firewall
[22:02] <knome> !info firestarter
[22:02] <knome> hmm...
[22:02] <jjlava> Ah, I didn't notice those when I first searched. Guess I was doing it wrong
[22:03] <knome> !info ufw | jjlava
[22:03] <jjlava> Thanks much. This is helpful. I used to use Ubuntu but haven't for several years.
[22:04] <crans> i typed google.com about 2 mins ago and it still hasn't loaded yet ><
[22:04] <knome> jjlava, no problem, enjoy
[22:05] <jjlava> already installed knome... I'm impressed as usual by Ubuntu's great initial install... can't wait to start playing around with it again. :)
[22:08] <jjlava> thanks all!
[22:14] <Lopulus> uu0
[22:16] <crans> im trying to figure out if my graphics card drivers are up to date (not sure how to update them) but whenever I search on firefox it just crashes after a few seconds or when i try to load a page
[22:17] <holstein> crans: any page? or specifically flash content?
[22:17] <crans> im not sure, because it crashes so quickly i can't even tell.
[22:17] <holstein> crans: anyways, i would simply try the google chrome browser.. you can see if that is the issue.. the flash version..
[22:17] <crans> is chromium the xubuntu equivalent?
[22:18] <holstein> no
[22:18] <holstein> chromium is the open source development version, basically
[22:18] <holstein> its not specifically given the latest flash, either.. cant be
[22:19] <holstein> thats the issue.. adobe is not giving you current flash for linux.. but, they give it to chrome.. there are ways to get it in chromium, though
[22:19] <holstein> that would be my first thing to test.. since, you mention youtube, specifically
[22:20] <crans> kk im gonna try downloading the chrome .deb file and installing it now to check
[22:20] <knome> crans, why not install chromium from the repository?
[22:20] <knome> crans, by installing evertyhing from .debs surely increases your chances on a broken system
[22:21] <knome> crans, especially if you don't know what you are doing
[22:21] <holstein> agreed.. ^
[22:21] <crans> oh, bc i wanna try the google chrome like you said
[22:21] <holstein> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[22:21] <holstein> !info chromium-browser
[22:22] <holstein> so, should be as simple as "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install chromium-browser pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
[22:22] <holstein> then, you can see if flash is the issue, or no
[22:26] <crans> so i download chromium from the repository like you said and when i tried opening it it just popped up with a box saying "the application chromium web browser has closed unexpectedly."
[22:27] <holstein> hmm.. well, whats the back story, here? you just installed xubuntu? when? what version? etc
[22:28] <crans> im trying to get a computer running for my two little cousins as a surprise so i used some leftover parts and put a pc together that has an old 1ghz processor and 2gb of ram with an ATI sapphire hd 3650 graphics card
[22:28] <crans> i just downloaded xubuntu from the xubuntu website for i386 and installed in about 45 mins ago
[22:28] <crans> the version is 14.04
[22:30] <crans> when i had windows on it i got an error saying something about a instruction set that wasn't able to install opera so i figured id try ubuntu, that was too slow so i tried gnome and got frustrated and downloaded xubuntu stable instead to see what would work
[22:30] <holstein> crans: did you test the hard drive?
[22:30] <holstein> could be, bad/failing hard ware.. hard drive, or memory.. etc..
[22:30] <crans> the hard drive was brand new
[22:31] <holstein> right.. and, you can search, and confirm that that is a popular time for them to have issues.. when new, or 3 years old? i forget the spec on that..
[22:31] <crans> it could be the memory but i cant seem to get memtest to work bc my keyboard isnt being recognized when i boot up (only in ubuntu, it still works in the bios etc)
[22:32] <holstein> anyways, you can be spending (arguably wasting) time trying to address something that could be hardware related..
[22:32] <crans> should i try booting up and testing without the ram, and then come back?
[22:48] <crans> how do i update my graphics driver? I have been testing out the ram and i think that when the dual ddr slot is enabled i have an issue
[22:48] <crans> but i think i may need to update the driver bc the video is now loading slow and sketchy
[22:49] <holstein> what hardware do you have?
[22:49] <crans> ati sapphire hd 3650
[22:49] <holstein> !ati
[22:50] <holstein> though, there is a simple gui in the menu, for additional drivers..
[22:51] <crans> where's the menu lol i like simple
[22:51] <holstein> try "Settings Manager - section "System" - Software & Updates - tab Additional Drivers"
[22:54] <crans> hm, it says no additional drivers are available, im going to try putting in a different video card to see what happens brb