[00:22] <abarbaccia1> hey all - does the diskless server work in mythbuntu control centre?
[02:03] <Eagle_Boy> I just installed Mythbuntu 9.04 and when I go to the video manager the "Enter IMDB #" window is always showing.
[02:03] <Eagle_Boy> is anyone else having this issue?
[03:04] <rhpot1991> Eagle_Boy: known issue, if you search around there is a bug on LP about it
[06:19] <oobe> tgm4883, look at this http://insidiousramblings.com/blog/?p=40
[06:30] <tgm4883> oobe, hmm
[06:30] <tgm4883> interesting
[06:30] <tgm4883> I think i like the 0.22 mythbuntu theme better though
[06:32] <oobe> did u install it
[06:32] <oobe> i didnt know there was a 9.10 .22 theme
[06:33] <tgm4883> oobe, this is a little outdated, as the theme team has done a lot of work daily, but here http://bpcs.net/gallery/1-mythtv-mythbuntu-theme/detail/48-mythbuntutheme001.html?tmpl=component
[06:34] <tgm4883> and they do *a lot* of work tweaking the theme so it looks just right
[06:34] <tgm4883> I didn't install hacky mess, just looked at the screenshots
[06:35] <oobe> that theme looks nice
[06:35] <tgm4883> oobe, thank gbutters
[06:36] <oobe> good to see mythbuntu has its own theme now as apose to putting the logo ontop of Mepo or others.
[10:41] <hot_wheelz> are there any good dual usb tuners with a single RF input that work OTB? in 9.04
[10:46] <directhex> the problem word there is "good"
[10:59] <hot_wheelz> directhex can u give a twin that works otb then forget "good"
[12:37] <google> someone who can help me thrue the configuration for an tv out geforce card ?
[12:37] <google> the thing is that i dont know how to change the output to B-pal
[12:37] <hipitihop> I'm trying to upgrade my lirc to 0.8.6 to get my imon remote going and apt-get upgrade complains about keeping back lirc, any tips ?
[12:41] <hipitihop> Anyone have instructions on how to upgrade from the default mythbuntu 9.04 lirc to lirc 0.8.6 ?
[12:44] <google> someone who can help me thrue the configuration for an tv out geforce card ?
[12:44] <google> the thing is that i dont know how to change the output to B-pal
[12:50] <hipitihop> google: I'm a total mythbuntu noob, still trying to setup my shiny new htpc, but I thought B-Pal was one of the options in the mythbuntu control center
[14:26] <shashwatpns> myth tv is not starting !!!!
[14:27] <shashwatpns> help !
[14:33] <apt-get> the more exclamation marks you use, the slower the help comes in my experience
[14:45] <rhpot1991> shashwatpns: you should prob provide more information as well
[20:12]  * mishehu yawns.
[20:12] <mishehu> slow day today
[20:15] <orificium> is the weekly builds site down?
[20:15] <tgm4883> orificium, the US one is
[20:15] <tgm4883> we are looking into it
[20:16] <tgm4883> you can use the PPA or UK one right now
[20:16] <tgm4883> nice
 06:26:42> -myth tv is not starting !!!!
[20:16] <tgm4883> so start it?
[20:17] <tgm4883> booya, case closed
[20:17] <mishehu> so I'm about to find out how painful it is to attempt to get my hauppage hvr 2250 to work with 9.04...
[20:17]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[20:17] <orificium> hah, just saw the philly oct 3rd thing on the site.  I live in Philly.  Hm :)
[20:17] <mishehu> as soon as mythsetup launches of course :-)
[20:18] <orificium> Anyone gonna be there that can troubleshoot HD video on a 8300 seriesi chipset mobo? :)
[20:18] <tgm4883> well I live in oregon
[20:18] <tgm4883> so not me
[20:18] <tgm4883> but there are going to be some people there that should be able to troubleshoot some stuff
[20:19] <mishehu> "8300 series chipset mobo" is still rather vague.
[20:19] <rhpot1991> orificium: you mean VDPAU?
[20:19] <orificium> I'm betting an onboard 8300 series nvidia gpu isn't gonan hack it.
[20:19] <orificium> yeah using VDPAU
[20:19] <tgm4883> rhpot1991 might be going
[20:19] <rhpot1991> ya I'm planning on being there
[20:19] <tgm4883> I dont' think the 8300 supports VDPAU
[20:19] <tgm4883> sec
[20:20] <rhpot1991> GeForce 8300
[20:20] <rhpot1991> its on the list
[20:20] <tgm4883> ok
[20:20] <rhpot1991> gonna have to use a weak deinterlacer prob
[20:20] <orificium> Well I don't relly know what it is.  I think its either an 8300 or 8400.  It's a nVidia nForce 750a
[20:20] <orificium> I have deinterlacing off.
[20:21] <orificium> was watching Fringe the other week
[20:21] <orificium> and it was almost bearable, but vrey jittery
[20:21] <mishehu> oooh lovely!  mythsetup froze on load while doing a fresh install!
[20:21] <tgm4883> thats no deal
[20:21] <orificium> Someone mentioned FOX doesn't deinterlace
[20:21] <orificium> er
[20:21] <orificium> use interlaced
[20:22] <rhpot1991> I use deinterlacers for everything
[20:22] <orificium> IF I had VDPAU turned on, and its playing the video, does that mean VDPAU is supported?
[20:22] <rhpot1991> orificium: I think there is some command line tool you can run to see
[20:22] <rhpot1991> orificium: are you running karmic on it?
[20:22] <orificium> Running 9.04 + weekly builds
[20:22] <orificium> trunk
[20:23] <orificium> But I haven't updated in over a week probably
[20:23] <tgm4883> Penth, whats happening?
[20:23] <orificium> It's givign me a can't connect to weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org:80 now
[20:23] <rhpot1991> orificium: ya they are down currently, tgm4883 is on it
[20:23] <tgm4883> orificium, did you switch repos?
[20:24] <orificium> nah, not yet.
[20:24] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yea, like I have control over that
[20:24]  * tgm4883 pokes Daviey
[20:25] <Penth> Not much yet -- just doing research to turn an old HP flattop into a Mythbuntu box. Trying to find a popularity list for DVB-T and analog-out cards
[20:25] <tgm4883> Penth, you going to the install fest on the 3rd?
[20:26] <Penth> Instellfest? When and where?
[20:26] <rhpot1991> Philly, oct 3rd
[20:26] <orificium> what's the difference between PPA and US/UK?
[20:26] <tgm4883> Penth, sorry, I assumed thats what brought you here
[20:27] <Penth> No, but great to know. Is it on phillylinux.org?
[20:27] <Penth> (nm, found on google
[20:28] <rhpot1991> Penth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:29] <tgm4883> in fact
[20:29] <tgm4883> @learn PhillyMythJam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:29] <tgm4883> hmm
[20:29] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, where is Zinn?
[20:29] <rhpot1991> good question
[20:30] <tgm4883> I'll assume he didn't rejoin after your server went down last night
[20:30] <rhpot1991> I think there might have been a hiccup somewhere over the weekend, my bip disconnected or something
[20:30] <tgm4883> yea last night
[20:30] <rhpot1991> he should automagically rejoin though
[20:30] <tgm4883> strange
[20:30] <rhpot1991> might be more from kicks than server disconnects
[20:31] <Penth> Perfetto!  I just saw Lyz on Tuesday; I should have mentioned I wsa planning a Myth box
[20:31] <rhpot1991> !status
[20:31] <Zinn> I am alive.
[20:31] <tgm4883> @learn PhillyMythJam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:31] <Zinn> I just learned: PhillyMythJam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:32] <tgm4883> there we go
[20:32] <tgm4883> !Phi% | rhpot1991
[20:32] <Zinn> rhpot1991: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:32] <orificium> rhpot1991: remember what that command line utility is?
[20:32] <tgm4883> @learn PhillyMythJam - Join the Ubuntu PA LoCo team on Oct 3rd for a Mythbuntu Mythbuntu Jam. Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:32] <rhpot1991> orificium: not really, I'd have to search, plus my VDPAU box is turned off till I get home from work
[20:32] <Zinn> I just learned: PhillyMythJam - Join the Ubuntu PA LoCo team on Oct 3rd for a Mythbuntu Mythbuntu Jam. Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:33] <orificium> rhpot1991: I'm pretty sure my cpu usage goes way down when using VDPAU.  But unfortunately when the camera is panning or there is movement, there is alot of jitter
[20:33] <rhpot1991> orificium: try turnning on a lower deinterlacer, like bob?
[20:34] <orificium> rhpot1991: I wasn't using any deinterlacing at the timne. But I can try playing wtih the settings some more.
[20:34] <rhpot1991> I'd do that
[20:34] <rhpot1991> what nvidia version are you running?
[20:34] <rhpot1991> I thought VDPAU wasn't supported till karmic, unless you used a 3rd party repo for the nvidia drivers
[20:34] <orificium> 180.44
[20:35] <orificium> That's the other thing I meant to try.  the latest beta drivers.
[20:35] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, it's supported in 0.22
[20:35] <rhpot1991> I think thats good, I've read 185.xx makes it even better
[20:35] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ya, but I thought there was an nvidia driver dependency as well
[20:36] <tgm4883> IIRC, just 180+
[20:36] <orificium> I think I had issues with my monitor using 185 and taht's why I stuck with 180
[20:36] <tgm4883> orificium, ok, the us repo should be working now
[20:36] <tgm4883> kinda
[20:36] <orificium> retarded scaling issues
[20:36] <orificium> tgm4883: hah, I just did dpkg-reconfigure on mythbunturepos and set it to PPA:)
[20:36] <orificium> shuold I stick with US instead?
[20:36] <tgm4883> no that should be fine
[20:37] <orificium> What is PPA?
[20:37] <tgm4883> either is fine
[20:37] <orificium> can someone exlpain that :)
[20:37] <tgm4883> PPA is where the packages are built for us. it's a Personal Package Archive that canonical provides
[20:37] <tgm4883> It's available to all launchpad users
[20:38] <orificium> one of these days I need to look aruond on launchpad and try to understand how to navgiate it.  It seems very overwhelming
[20:38] <rhpot1991> mishehu: let us know how that hvr2250 works out, sounds like a good card
[20:39] <orificium> NVIDIA X Server Settings shows my GRaphics Processor as "nForce 750a SLI".  I think this is the only integrated GPU that was like this.
[20:47] <orificium_> I could try adding this TripleBuffer option to xorg
[20:47] <orificium_> and the no-composite
[20:47] <orificium_> Can someone describe "tearing"?
[20:47] <orificium_> I see that lot, but I'm not sure what it looks like
[20:49] <mishehu> rhpot1991: if I could even get the damn machine to show me something other than kludge when X is launched, I would :-)
[20:49] <Zinn> mishehu: Please watch your language.
[20:49] <mishehu> zinn a bot?
[20:49] <orificium_> Yeah, apparently d*mn is too far :)
[20:50] <mishehu> d*mn, I can't fscking swear here *grin*  (don't kick me bot, I say I say it's a joke, son)
[20:50] <mishehu> anyway I bet that I'm having typical fglrx woes.
[20:50]  * mishehu frowns.
[20:52] <orificium_> Is 22080 latest trunk revision?
[20:53] <orificium_> well, in the weeklybuilds I guess
[20:55] <mishehu> what's the name of the amd video drivers when using apt-get?
[20:55] <mishehu> it's not sticking out at me in the list of packages.
[20:55] <mishehu> I wanted to try updating it to see if I can magically get video again when in X.
[20:56] <orificium_> xserver-xorg-video-amd ?
[20:57] <mishehu> orificium_: thought it was named something else because I'm guessing it's the fglrx closed-source drivers...  I'll look down there and see if it's under xserver-xorg-video
[20:57] <orificium_> I think there is a xerver-xorg-video-radeon too
[20:58] <orificium_> I don't know much about using ATI/AMD in linux.  Don't want to mislead you :)
[20:58] <orificium_> oh I see a fglrx-amdcccle too
[20:58] <orificium_> IS it a r5xx,r6xx or r7xx?
[20:59] <mishehu> sec
[20:59] <mishehu> it's one of the onboards
[21:00] <mishehu> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
[21:01] <quentusrex> Alright, I'm having a few issues...  How do I record a show that goes over its timeslot?
[21:02] <mishehu> quentusrex: you following me here too??
[21:02] <orificium_> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.7&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.3.3.1&lang=English
[21:02] <mishehu> between you and that Essobi character...
[21:02] <tgm4883> quentusrex, tell it to download longer in the schedule?
[21:02] <orificium_> mishehu: you can download latest driver from there
[21:03] <quentusrex> also, how do I clear the tv listings from the database?
[21:03] <mishehu> orificium_: yeah, was trying to use whatever mythtbuntu has, so as to not mess up with the package management.  at least back in 8.04 there was a specific package for that.
[21:03] <quentusrex> I changed the channel line up at schedules direct
[21:03] <mishehu> quentusrex: DROP DATABASE ;-)
[21:03] <quentusrex> :(
[21:03] <tgm4883> mishehu, dont tell people to do bad things
[21:03] <tgm4883> I'd hate to ban you
[21:03] <quentusrex> lol
[21:03] <mishehu> tgm4883: it's ok, quentusrex knows me
[21:04] <tgm4883> well that isn't entirely true
[21:04] <quentusrex> I know mishehu from another channel
[21:04] <mishehu> quentusrex: liar, you know me in person too
[21:04] <tgm4883> I haven't banned anyone in awhile, i'm getting an itchy trigger finger
[21:04] <mishehu> and so does that Essobi character.
[21:04] <mishehu> tgm4883: if you like, I can have another client connect in, then have it say some naughty words and you can ban it...
[21:04]  * mishehu grins.
[21:05] <quentusrex> lol
[21:05] <mishehu> just trying to help out with those itchy fingers!
[21:05] <rhpot1991> still gotta be careful, this channel is logged and someone might read it for help later
[21:06] <mishehu> rhpot1991: I'll put the </just kidding> tags next time
[21:06] <mishehu> that way anbody looking at a log will see it's not serious.
[21:06] <mishehu> anyway, that IS what I have done in the past when the database got all screwed up...
[21:07] <orificium_> quentusrex: I usuaslly configure mythtv to record an extra 30 seconds befiore and after a show
[21:07] <mishehu> but it was REALLY screwed up, and that was back prior to 0.18 even
[21:07] <orificium_> quentusrex: in case it goes on early/late
[21:07] <rhpot1991> issue there is you overlap tuners
[21:08] <rhpot1991> I normally record some things, and if something always goes early/late, I adjust
[21:08] <rhpot1991> I do have one issue now though, community records for a few secods in the end of the office, and then when I cut to the next recording I miss a few seconds
[21:08] <orificium_> rhpot1991: I know I had issues with it in the past, but I'm onl yusing 1 tuner so far haven't seen any problems
[21:09]  * orificium_ lost my pwoer adapter for my hdhomerun :(
[21:09] <quentusrex> orificium_: the game I was trying to record went 15 minutes late...
[21:09] <orificium_> quentusrex: oh yeah, sports games are probably gonna be an issue
[21:09]  * Penth is thinking about ust using an HDHomeRun and http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0291885 to set up the living room Myth box. Opinions?
[21:09] <orificium_> quentusrex: might want to just schedule recording wahtever is after it
[21:10] <mishehu> quentusrex: you know, I've always toyed around with the idea of somehow doing some sort of functions for mythtv in freeswitch
[21:10] <rhpot1991> orificium_: careful what you plug into that
[21:10] <orificium_> Penth: I love the hdhomerun.  Except that I had issues with the backend starting before the network did. and therefore hdhomerun wouldn't connect so I had to restart backend if I ever restarted my box.
[21:10] <rhpot1991> someone else around here plugged something else in that fit it, and fried the board on it
[21:11] <rhpot1991> Penth: HDHR is highly recommended around here
[21:11] <orificium_> rhpot1991: I haven't tried to plug anything into. I always check voltage and milliamps.  I'm gonan order one from silocondust for like $15
[21:11] <rhpot1991> for a video card I would only get something that does VDPAU anymore: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[21:11] <rhpot1991> orificium_: ya just saying to be careful, its a $80 mistake otherwise
[21:11] <mishehu> quentusrex: but I could never think of WHAT to integrate.
[21:11] <orificium_> You noly paid $80 for yours? :)
[21:11] <orificium_> *only
[21:12] <orificium_> or were those the repair costs
[21:12] <rhpot1991> orificium_: no, thats the repair cost for them
[21:12] <orificium_> Oh yeah, anyone looking to purchase the hdhomerun, and you acn wait. there are usualyl deals that pop up every so often.
[21:13] <rhpot1991> ~150 is the going rate, which is good
[21:13] <orificium_> I think snagged mine from newegg for 130
[21:14] <orificium_> Oh and black friday is coming up :)
[21:14] <Penth> well, seems the easiest thing to test, and the box itself is just going to be an old P4 (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=316713&lang=en&cc=us) and hooking it up via s-video to a 24" analog screen
[21:15] <rhpot1991> not sure thats a black friday deal
[21:15] <rhpot1991> seems to specific
[21:15] <Penth> MicroCenter has the Homerun for 140
[21:15] <rhpot1991> Penth: do you need a HD tuner then?
[21:15] <rhpot1991> if its an analog display?
[21:17] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, cough, digital tuner cough
[21:17] <Penth> Mostly looking for a good DVB-T Tuner, but if I'm going to record Dollhouse it's worth an extra $20-30 for me to go HD
[21:18] <orificium_> Penth: What country are you in?
[21:18] <Penth> US; Philly to be exact
[21:18] <rhpot1991> isnt' dvb-t a europe thing?
[21:18] <orificium_> Penth: oh that's exactly where I'm at.  Old City.
[21:18] <orificium_> Yeah, was gonan say
[21:19] <orificium_> DVB-T is terrestial in other countries
[21:19] <orificium_> Penth: You would use either QAM or NTSC or ATSC
[21:19] <orificium_> Penth: I take the local HD stations right off the Comcast cable lines (thanks FCC) using a QAM tuner
[21:20] <rhpot1991> I think you want qam or atsc
[21:20] <orificium_> HDHomerun does QAM and ATSC
[21:20] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:20] <Penth> ah - I thought it was an over-the-air vs cable vs satellite distinction within NTSC
[21:20] <orificium_> Not sure about satellite
[21:20]  * Penth doesn't have cable of any kind, just DSL
[21:21] <rhpot1991> you can't do much with satellite in the us
[21:21] <orificium_> But usually if you want to record encrypted cahnnels on pay services, you have to re-encode and hook up to the STP
[21:21] <orificium_> STB
[21:21] <rhpot1991> just gotta have a stb and capture from whatever holes it has
[21:21] <mishehu> *sqwak* reboot reboot reinstall! *whistle*
[21:21] <mishehu> here's goes attempt #2
[21:21] <orificium_> Penth: Even if you don't subscribe to Comcast, there should be lines running into your house.  Test em out.
[21:22] <tgm4883> my cable company encrypts their local HD channels, no clear QAM for me
[21:22] <rhpot1991> with comcast you should get your locals over clear qam
[21:22] <orificium_> tgm4883: whos' your local cable company?
[21:22] <mishehu> I'm just going to see how it works with the open source drivers.  I imagine that the hdmi doesn't require special video drivers to operate (and not that I have anything to hook it up to yet either)
[21:22] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: illegals, you call and threaten them?
[21:22] <tgm4883> yea I did
[21:22] <tgm4883> some local company. wbcable.net
[21:22] <rhpot1991> prob didn't have any idea what you were talking about
[21:22] <orificium_> I'm pretty sure it's an FCC regulation
[21:22] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: should report them to the FCC
[21:22] <tgm4883> yea I should
[21:23] <mishehu> tgm4883: did you write the FCC?
[21:23] <mishehu> I would
[21:23] <tgm4883> instead I canceled cable, bought an $80 antenna and now get the channels for free
[21:23] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: try to find some executive emails for them, contact them and CC the FCC on it
[21:23] <rhpot1991> heh, well then its prob not worth your time, but you should still report them
[21:23] <mishehu> I also dropped comcast after they told me that I can't get anything but OTA channels on the firewire because I might record something and keep it forever.
[21:23] <orificium_> mishehu: use the open source drivers and then use the "Hardware Drivers" dialog once you're in XFCE to see if ATI prorpietary is available
[21:23] <tgm4883> guy kept telling me I needed a box because TV's only can tune up to ch 125 and there HD channels are in the 700's
[21:23] <rhpot1991> mishehu: hah, anyone I've ever talked to at comcast didn't know that firewire wasn't usb
[21:24] <tgm4883> i kept telling him my tuner can see the channels, just can't tune them
[21:24] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: classy, thats when you ask to speak to a tech or someone who knows the technology and just not how to read from a screen
[21:24] <tgm4883> and they got very upset when I called them encrypted
[21:24] <orificium_> I only wish I cuold get SciFi, Discovery, and FX via QAM :(
[21:24] <mishehu> orificium_: it's using the most up-to-date fglrx at the moment, so I know that's no good.
[21:25] <mishehu> most up-ot-date for my hardware that is.
[21:25] <rhpot1991> orificium_: I get them (not FX) via firewire
[21:25] <mishehu> since I've got legacy nowadays.
[21:25] <Penth> (Last time I wrote to the FCC it was over Verizon and TW dropping all the alt.* newsgroups. Three months later I got a nice form letter telling me to complain to Verizon, as if I hadn't done so in three different media..
[21:25] <orificium_> rhpot1991: Comcast?
[21:25] <orificium_> rhpot1991: The DCT 6100 right?
[21:25] <rhpot1991> orificium_: yes, in harrisburg
[21:25] <rhpot1991> 3200
[21:25] <orificium_> er yeah, 3200
[21:26] <mishehu> rhpot1991: it was my lucky day I suppose.  I told him "fsck you, my parents kept all their vhs tapes from the 1980s.  didn't hurt your business."
[21:26] <orificium_> rhpot1991: Get a lot of other unencrypted?
[21:26] <rhpot1991> orificium_ almost all my HD, FX is one of the few I've hit that I don't
[21:27] <orificium_> I've thought about subscribing to basic digital cable.  But that's what torrents are for :X
[21:27] <mishehu> rhpot1991: nowadays I'm going to see if there's anything at all worthwhile to grab off of the airwaves...  I don't want to spend $70/month and have to do digital-to-analog-to-digital conversions all the time.
[21:27] <rhpot1991> that said, firewire is flaky, sometimes it dies and takes down my backend till I notice and bring it back up
[21:27] <orificium_> rhpot1991: No It's Always Sunny for you :)
[21:27] <rhpot1991> I do almost all of my stuff from my HDHR
[21:28] <rhpot1991> discovery, usa, espn are the ones I worry about for firewire
[21:28] <rhpot1991> I did fx when the shield was on, but that wasn't HD so my pvr-350 handled that fine
[21:28] <mishehu> I had problems with firewire spb2 (hard drives) on the standard kernel 1394 stack.  ever since I moved off to the new 1394 stack, I have no issues.  unfortunately I don't think anything in myth will support devices using the newer stack.
[21:28]  * orificium_ is wondering when they're going start cracking down on tv torrents. Hopes its never. :)
[21:29] <mishehu> orificium_: cue princess leia and grand moff tarkin
[21:29] <mishehu> something about the tighter they grip...
[21:30]  * Penth jsut wants to turn her computer back into her computer, instead of it being the Hulu machine
[21:34] <Penth> How well does MythTV work as a front end for vodcasts and torrents, btw?
[21:35] <orificium_> Penth: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNettv might be an option for that
[21:35] <orificium_> I haven't realy played with it yet
[21:36] <tgm4883> mythnettv support is going away for 9.10
[21:36] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge
[21:36] <tgm4883> in favor of miro support
[21:36] <rhpot1991> ^ use that in 9.10
[21:36] <orificium_> As far as I can tell, it doesn't really do what I'd want it to with torrents.  If only torrentocracy still was around :)
[21:36] <Penth> Yay. I wasn't going to say Miro, but that's just... Yay
[21:37] <rhpot1991> orificium_: its easy enough, have your torrents dump into a directory that mythvideo uses, and just run the tool to rescan that
[21:37] <rhpot1991> I think miro has torrent support in some capacity
[21:37] <Penth> And Miro has torrent support built in
[21:37] <mishehu> orificium_: oooh wow, there's been some good progress on the radeon open source driver...  probably won't need to muck around with that fgrlx mess again
[21:38] <orificium_> Yeah, AMD released a lot of docs in recent years
[21:38] <orificium_> mishehu: Not sure how well 2d acceleration is gonna work though
[21:39] <mishehu> orificium_: from what I understand it was always the 2D that was easily supported.
[21:39] <rhpot1991> nothing like VDPAU from amd/ati yet though
[21:39] <mishehu> it was the 3d that was what they weren't quick to release.
[21:39] <rhpot1991> and now you want video rendering to happen on the card
[21:39] <mishehu> rhpot1991: I know vdpau is nvidia, but what does it do exactly again?
[21:39] <orificium_> rhpot1991: Yeah I use utorrent + rss but it would be nice to manage an RSS feed from wtihin Mythfrontend
[21:40] <rhpot1991> mishehu: you offload the video rendering to the gpu
[21:40] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yea there is
[21:40] <mishehu> rhpot1991: ati cards have had some hardware opts for years.
[21:40] <mishehu> I don't know how they compare to what nvidia has
[21:40] <rhpot1991> maybe I'm wrong there
[21:40] <tgm4883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Video_Bitstream_Acceleration
[21:41] <mishehu> in fact, the ati rage already had some yuv hardware opts (although not full mpeg opts)
[21:41] <rhpot1991> As of September 2009, no publicly available driver supports XvBA.
[21:41] <mishehu> what's XvBA?
[21:41] <rhpot1991> ati's version of vdpau
[21:42] <mishehu> man the headache is coming on...  too many hours left of no eating :-/
[21:42] <mishehu> rhpot1991: ah ok.
[21:42] <Penth> Any opinions on the EVGA or Sparkle GeForce 8400GS PCI cards?
[21:43] <mishehu> sorry, no, I dont' work much with nvidia
[21:43] <mishehu> though I do have an ION board here to load up after the one I'm wokring on right now.
[21:43] <rhpot1991> Penth: google them and make sure they work with VDPAU, will be more useful to you in the future
[21:44] <orificium_> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU - lists all supported cards
[21:45]  * Penth just may be heading back to MicroCenter before supper.
[21:45] <mishehu> so vdpau is used, for example, when you are using a codec that your card doesn't already have dedicated circuitry to handle?
[21:45] <orificium_> Penth: Where is there a microcenter near philly?
[21:45] <Penth> I checked the list; that7s why I'm asking about those two cards.
[21:46] <Penth> MicroCenter is on Lancaster Pike in St. Davids, just above Villanova and 476
[21:46] <mishehu> I'm not a happy camper right now, even with the open source drivers, myth-setup.real launches from the install process and presents me with...   a black background and a white border where a window should be...
[21:46] <orificium_> Hm, so there is
[21:46] <rhpot1991> Penth: best bets, are to search the mailing list, or ask in #mythtv-users, finding people who use those cards is normally the best bet
[21:46] <orificium_> That's cool since CompUSA has gone there isn't really a PC superstore around her eany more
[21:48] <mishehu> orificium_: too bad you guys dont' have a fry's around you
[21:48] <Penth> I just got a 1tb Samsung green series drive there this morning for $75. Lots of fun; the power had been knocked out to the pike and the buildings on both sides, so I had to be led around with a flashlight.
[21:48]  * Penth misses Fry's
[21:48] <orificium_> I think CostCo is a ways off too
[21:49] <orificium_> Most Sams and BJs
[21:49] <mishehu> I used to live in walking distance from Fry's...  now I have to drive 25 minutes each way
[21:49] <Penth> When I saw that the MicroCenter in King of Prussia was gone, I thought the chain had disappeared for good.
[21:49] <Penth> mishehu: in Sunnyvale?
[21:50] <mishehu> Penth: austin
[21:51] <mishehu> superm1: you around?  I'm having this problem with 9.04, and I just downloaded the images like two or three days ago from the main site...   https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/355911
[21:51] <mishehu> and since you're the only mario on this project I figured that you're the one who commented on that bug
[21:52] <orificium_> 120GB SATA solid-state for $320.  Eh I think I'll wait for 1gb/$1
[21:52] <mishehu> orificium_: I think I'll wait for that to come down a LOT more than that even :-)
[21:53] <rhpot1991> mishehu: he is away now, check back tonight/tomorrow
[21:53] <mishehu> rhpot1991: I figured he was away :-/
[21:53] <orificium_> mishehu: Yeah, 500GB are going for $100 or less
[21:55] <mishehu> if I can't get this 9.04 to install, I might consider 9.10a6, depending on how much of a work-in-progress 9.10a6 is...
[22:09] <orificium_> mishehu: Isn't 9.04 out of beta?  I saw in your bug details it says you're using 9.04 beta
[22:19] <tgm4883> 9.10 beta comes out thursday
[22:23] <JEDIDIAH__> vdpau? use the 190 version of the nvidia driver.
[22:24] <JEDIDIAH__> if your video isn't accelerated, check your config or complain to adobe.
[22:24] <JEDIDIAH__> '-)
[22:28] <mishehu> orificium_: I've got the 9.04 official release, as downloaded from the main mythbuntu site
[22:29] <mishehu> that guy's bug report was filed back around april
[22:30] <mishehu> I was also prompted by synaptic to download and install about 160 mb of updates
[22:30] <orificium_> JEDIDIAH__: Why does Adobe get the blame?
[22:40] <JEDIDIAH__> flash
[22:41] <orificium_> JEDIDIAH__: flash affects how VDPAU was implemented?
[22:42] <JEDIDIAH__> flash doesn't use hw acceleration
[22:45] <mishehu> flash is crap
[22:45] <JEDIDIAH__> it qualifies as "some codec that doesn't have support built into the videocard"
[22:45] <JEDIDIAH__> ...it's the most likely variant of that infact.


[21:42] <alichtman> Hey, I've got a really weird issue that popped up for me today. I turned my monitor on when I got up this morning and got a black screen. Couldn't revive it or enter any keystrokes to do anything, so I powered off the computer with the power switch. I restarted and (applied some pending updates I'd installed) now can not type all the characters on my keyboard in chat apps like Discord or Signal. Otherwise everything
[21:42] <alichtman> works fine. Where do I even start debugging this?
[21:42] <alichtman> The original cause of the crash was an Xorg page allocation failure
[21:42] <alichtman> not sure that's relevant though
[21:43] <alichtman> I was in #ubuntu and it was pointed out to me that those are both electron apps
[21:44] <Bashing-om> alichtman: Xorg does control the keyboard - maybe re-install xorg ?
[21:44] <alichtman> that seems scary lmao
[21:44] <alichtman> my gut reaction is to not do that
[21:45] <alichtman> $ sudo apt reinstall xorg and then restart?
[21:45] <alichtman> Or should I just restore from a backup?
[21:46] <Bashing-om> alichtman: Mihght be good to ask the package manager what it thinks of the overall situation - ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' to preclude inconsisyent packages.
[21:47] <alichtman> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:48] <alichtman> Here's my uname -a: Linux arctic 5.6.14-050614-generic #202005200733 SMP Wed May 20 07:38:05 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:48] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[21:48] <tomreyn> that's an outdated mainline build
[21:49] <alichtman> Should I update the kernel?
[21:49] <tomreyn> only if you weant things to work and not have unfixed security vulnerabilities.
[21:50] <alichtman> :)
[21:50] <alichtman> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the command I should run?
[21:50] <tomreyn> what did you run to get this kernel image?
[21:51] <tomreyn> you can't get this through apt, you must have gotten it manually.
[21:51] <alichtman> I had a lot of issues with the original kernel so I had to install a newer (then) kernel with this: https://github.com/pimlie/ubuntu-mainline-kernel.sh
[21:51] <alichtman> GPU driven, mainly
[21:52] <alichtman> This was me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1240879/rx-5500-xt-ubuntu-20-10-instability-crashing-drmamdgpu-dm-commit-planes-cons
[21:52] <tomreyn> so use this script to install the current non rc kernel
[21:53] <tomreyn> and do so regularly, after removing all but the latest two kernel images.
[21:54] <tomreyn> with mainline builds, you're pretty much on your own, the same goes for ubuntu versions which are in development.
[21:54] <alichtman> How do I get on the "update my kernel whenever a new stable kernel is released" train?
[21:55] <tomreyn> read the github readme for the script.
[21:55] <tomreyn> i'm assuming by "stable kernel" you're referring to a non-rc mainline kernel build
[21:56] <alichtman> No, I know how to use the script. I just didn't want to have to use it in the first place. How do normal Ubuntu users keep their kernel up to date (and how do I get my system back to a point where I don't have to worry about this?)
[21:56] <alichtman> I would make some different decisions about setting up my system now than I did a few months ago
[21:57] <alichtman> I was just inexperienced (not that I really know what I'm doing fully now, either)
[21:57] <tomreyn> the latest supported kernel version in groovy is a 5.4 kernel (other than oem, which i think is 5.6)
[21:57] <alichtman> I'm running the 5.6.14 kernel, so I'm not outdated
[21:57] <alichtman> I'm ahead of the current release, right?
[21:58] <tomreyn> if that's too old for your hardware then running mainline for now may be the right thing to do. alternatively, you could consider using a PPa, such as the oibf or padoka ppa
[21:58] <tomreyn> *oibaf
[21:58] <tomreyn> you're running a higher kernel version than the default kernel in grovy
[21:58] <alichtman> Correct
[21:58] <alichtman> I had an AMD gpu that kept acting up
[21:59] <tomreyn> the higher version does not mean that it is a more recent build
[21:59] <alichtman> and bumping up to a newer kernel was suggested
[21:59] <alichtman> Oh?
[21:59] <tomreyn> your kernel image was built on May 20 07:38:05 UTC 2020
[21:59] <alichtman> right
[22:00] <tomreyn> chances are that the default groovy kernel image was built later than that
[22:00] <alichtman> Aren't the versions reproducible? I was under the impression that a 5.4 build on day X and a 5.4 build on day Y should be identical
[22:00] <tomreyn> this can matter for security, and for backported patches
[22:01] <alichtman> right
[22:01] <tomreyn> 5.4 is a major and minor version number, but kernel versions consist of three numbers.
[22:02] <alichtman> gotcha, I didn't consider the patch number
[22:02] <tomreyn> if you look at https://www.kernel.org/ you'll see the latest mainline kernel versions for all trees the kernel developers support
[22:02] <alichtman> so the right course of action here is to grab which kernel?
[22:03] <alichtman> I don't want to paste a wall of text but the available versions to me are everything up to v5.8.0
[22:04] <alichtman> The list is pulled from kernel.ubuntu.com
[22:04] <tomreyn> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[22:04] <tomreyn> 5.8.3 is the latest
[22:05] <alichtman> yes, I misread the output
[22:05] <alichtman> 5.8.3 is the latest I can install
[22:05] <alichtman> I should do that?
[22:05] <alichtman> also thank you for helping me through this
[22:06] <alichtman> I know I've asked a lot of basic sysadmin questions
[22:07] <tomreyn> you have four options i can think of: (a) keep updating to the latest mainline kernel builds until groovy provides a default kernel image which has at least the version you need; (b) try the grooxy default kernel again, hoping that hardware support for your hardware has been backported (not very likely); (c) try the linux-oem kernel, which i think is at 5.6, but this kernel is a bit dodgy; (d) see if you can get a recent kernel, Xorg, and
[22:07] <tomreyn> mesa/graphics driver from one of the PPAs I mentioned, oibaf or padoka.
[22:07] <alichtman> Here's my final hardware for reference: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/cdDxFT
[22:07] <tomreyn> i think the last one may serve you best
[22:08] <alichtman> the Nvidia card I have now is pretty stable
[22:08] <alichtman> unlike the AMD one I had before
[22:08] <alichtman> so I might be ok with a default kernel?
[22:08] <tomreyn> oh you have an nvidia? i thought you said you had an amdgpu driven one
[22:08] <alichtman> I did, and then got rid of it
[22:08] <alichtman> because I couldn't use my computer
[22:09] <tomreyn> with nvidia, option d does not apply
[22:09] <tomreyn> and with nvidia, i cannot help
[22:09] <alichtman> yeah, because I don't need mesa (pretty sure)
[22:10] <alichtman> I'm leaning towards the groovy default kernel
[22:10] <tomreyn> there's a 'graphics-drivers' ppa, which might help you withnvidia
[22:10] <alichtman> I never actually tried the default kernel with my nvidia card
[22:10] <alichtman> to the best of my memory
[22:16] <alichtman> I'm going to grab some dinner but I haven't found the right version to run yet, just searching online. Is it bad to install 5.8.3?
[22:16] <alichtman> What do you recommend running?
[22:20] <tomreyn> with nvidia, you'll probably do best with the default kernel image, things will likely break on newer ones.
[22:36] <alichtman> so that would be <IP_ADDRESS>.32
[22:42] <alichtman> Also why do you say that things will break on the newer ones?
[22:43] <alichtman> I was under the impression that newer kernels were backwards compatible. I have an RTX 2060, which isn't "bleeding edge"
[22:45] <tomreyn> nvidia drivers target specific kernel version ranges, they need to be patched by nvidia to support newer kernel versions which go through abi changes, especially when the nvidia drivers make use of internal abis (which they should not, since those aren't guaranteed to be stable).
[22:45] <alichtman> Makes sense.
[22:46] <tomreyn> unlike those of other hardware manufacturers, and even other nvidia drivers, nvidia graphics drivers are proprietary, so no one but nvidia can make them compatible to newer kernel versions.
[22:46] <alichtman> That was why I bought an AMD card, but I couldn't get it to work
[22:47] <alichtman> Might've just had a dud card, I dunno
[22:47] <tomreyn> some of the graphics cards amd released during the past years took a long time to get stable on linux, for late driver support.
[22:48] <tomreyn> in some cases over a year.
[22:48] <tomreyn> but at least they're trying
[22:48] <tomreyn> others would work fine pretty soon after the hardware hit the shops, given a current kernel
[22:49] <alichtman> I think I'm in that last category
[22:49] <alichtman> I have a 2060 which seems to be well supported
[22:49] <alichtman> especially now
[22:49] <alichtman> and I've had no real GPU issues with this card
[22:49] <alichtman> just this weird typing issue on electron apps
[22:50] <alichtman> And also VSCode
[22:50] <alichtman> yeah this has to be an electron issue
[22:51] <alichtman> So.... what do I do from here?
[22:52] <alichtman> Option 1. Restore from TimeShift backup and hope this doesn't happen again. 2. Upgrade / downgrade kernel to ______
[22:53] <alichtman> 3. Reinstall electron maybe? I already reinstalled Discord and that didn't fix the issue
[23:03] <alichtman> tomreyn: Ok, so I noticed somehting weird and think I might have fixed it. The screen reader option was enabled (and I've never enabled it). I disabled it and now I can use Discord normally. Same for VSCode and Signal
[23:04] <alichtman> I am SO confused
[23:11] <alichtman> anyways, fixed now
[23:11] <alichtman> I posted my solution on askubuntu in case anyone else runs into this problem
[23:16] <tomreyn> glad you worked it out.
[23:21] <alichtman> haha me too
[23:21] <alichtman> thanks for all the help
[23:22] <alichtman> I really appreciate it


[00:05] <OerHeks> :-D
[00:08] <EriC^^> hey OerHeks
[04:02] <OerHeks> EriC^, is it a bad moon today or something?
[04:02] <cfhowlett> LOL.  must be.
[04:03] <OerHeks> displayserver without displaymanager, i thought i heard them all..
[04:06] <Bashing-om> gets no help from me !
[04:07] <cfhowlett> why does this whole thread remind me of "the chewbacca defense" from South Park?
[04:07] <OerHeks> When he makes his goal clear ..
[04:10] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, "You're a patient man"  Omar.  The Wire.
[04:11] <OerHeks>  i am getting to the point --no-install-recommends .. not sure that is a solution, as it makes no sense at all
[04:20] <OerHeks> LoLz dwm worked..
[04:32] <OerHeks> i notice for some days now, @ber19-3-78-220-252-108.fbx.proxad.net and now @ARennes-656-1-202-147.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr  join/parting endlessly..
[05:45] <OerHeks> the guy that invented spaces in folder/filenames should get a nobelprice and get shot.
[06:00] <Bashing-om> Enough fun for 1 session, Yall hold it together til .
[08:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:50] <OerHeks> heya BluesKaj :-D
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hi OerHeks
[15:33] <daftykins> i have a lovely brand new Lenovo X1 Carbon to play with today :D
[15:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl=
[16:04] <daftykins> EriC^^: any ideas if that user the other day managed to boot Windows media in the end? o0
[16:04] <EriC^^> daftykins: yeah, it worked :D
[16:04] <daftykins> \o/
[16:05] <daftykins> i'm just using the Microsoft windows 8 media download tool to pull down an ISO
[16:05] <EriC^^> \o/
[16:05] <daftykins> used a CLI partitioning tool on Windows just now too to nuke a flash drive, then gonna just paste the ISO contents on
[16:05] <daftykins> should be all set for reinstalling the above shiny Lenovo laptop :O
[16:05] <EriC^^> cool
[16:05] <EriC^^> :D
[16:05] <daftykins> once clonezilla does its' thing to backup the factory install :)
[16:06] <daftykins> <3 clonezilla
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:17] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: hello mate, how are you?
[18:18] <OerHeks> sleepy after diner, an how are you ?
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> fine here tnx, car is broken
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> doesnt wanna start anymore
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> and we just replaced battery
[18:19] <OerHeks> heh, did someone put a potato in the exhaust?
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> lol no :p
[18:19] <OerHeks> did you put petrol ..
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> yes
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> so i went to ##cars yesterday, but there a bunch off 4ssh*les
[18:20] <OerHeks> open the hood, sometimes they steal your engine ..
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> not a very helpfull channel
[18:20] <OerHeks> I have no clue about cars, i have no driving-license
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> me neither, but my gf does
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> she drives me around
[18:21] <OerHeks> i can see you smile from here :-D
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:21]  * lotuspsychje has a sticker on his webcam, nobody can see a smile remote
[18:29] <daftykins> lmao
[18:29] <daftykins> hey guys
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hey mate
[18:30]  * daftykins continues playing with this new Lenovo X1 Carbon
[18:31] <daftykins> i can't claim to know much about cars at all, but what does it do? starter motor spin and nowhere further?
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: we turn ignition on, and motor doesnt start
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: makes a weird low beep sound +click
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: battery has been replaced, and still doesnt wanna start
[18:33] <daftykins> when you say motor, that's the engine as a whole or the starter?
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: starter doesnt start indeed
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: at first, if we leave it few hours to rest, it started again
[18:34] <daftykins> ah i see, almost sounds like it's immobilised
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: but then day after it doesnt again
[18:34] <daftykins> how new is it, make + model etc?
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> nissan almera 1400cc '97
[18:35] <daftykins> mmm so not terribly new enough that it's got all these mod cons that stop things working
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> oh well we gonna have to call the garage
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> and pay a lotta $$$$$
[18:36] <daftykins> my mate that's into cars might be on later, i could point him your way potentially first?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: sure mate
[18:36] <daftykins> he's more a fanatic than an actual mechanic, but he may have trawled some forums enough to have a guess
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> would be lovely
[18:37] <daftykins> ok will do :)
[20:54] <histo> fml wife lost her brand new phone
[20:55] <histo> while we were traveling. It's now 5 hours away from m.e
[20:55] <lordievader> Life happens...
[20:55] <histo> pulled some favors and got it located
[20:55] <histo> road trip time fun fun fun
[20:56] <lordievader> ;)
[20:57] <histo> She owes me so big for this one. Day off wasted driving across the country
[20:58] <lordievader> She couldn't go herself?
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> sudo go-get-my-phone --or-else
[21:01] <OerHeks> does it have 5 hr batery life left?
[21:02] <daftykins> histo: X|
[21:03] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727232/ - guys any idea what's going on in here line 27?
[21:03] <daftykins> 26 sorry
[21:03] <daftykins> guy doesn't use his RAID for boot but something is making this older kernel removal snag
[21:04] <lordievader> daftykins: Run the script I'd say, or lookup what the error code means.
[21:04] <lordievader> Likely has to do with line 25.
[21:04] <lordievader> Which leads me to believe grub is not fully installed.
[21:05] <daftykins> lordievader: i was having the guy comment out the functions in /etc/default/grub XD that's probably pretty dumb, right? :)
[21:05] <daftykins> as in what was at line 48 within: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 48: /etc/default/grub: function: not found
[21:07] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727250/ - present 'grub' packages
[21:07] <lordievader> Hmm, that looks okay. What was the original problem?
[21:08] <daftykins> user ran a dist-upgrade, system is now crying about this kernel removal
[21:08] <OerHeks> the answer is google for line 18  W: mdadm: is currently active, but it is not listed in mdadm.conf. if
[21:08] <OerHeks> that brings you to a borked upgrade indeed
[21:08] <daftykins> apparently the user's RAID isn't part of boot
[21:08] <OerHeks> solution, is at the bottom http://serverfault.com/questions/363543/apt-get-update-mdadm-scary-warnings
[21:08] <lordievader> PaulW2U: That depends, if the raid config is needed for boot, then yes. Else it doesn't matter.
[21:09] <lordievader> Err that was for OerHeks, sorry PaulW2U.
[21:09] <OerHeks> it is, as  the error says further on?
[21:09] <PaulW2U> lordievader: You woke me up :)
[21:09] <daftykins> lol
[21:09] <lordievader> daftykins: Did you mess with things, or is the paste as it was originally.
[21:10] <lordievader> PaulW2U: Good then you can be active :P
[21:10] <daftykins> lordievader: i had the user comment out two functions in /etc/default/grub which saw the line it references for the problem jump to the next function each time
[21:10] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727069/ this was the very first i was provided with
[21:10] <daftykins> i had a backup of /etc/default/grub be made so can revert my faffing easily
[21:10] <lordievader> There are no functions in /etc/default/grub, only variables.
[21:11] <daftykins> in this case i refer to http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/ function savedefault (line 38) recordfail and loadvideo
[21:11] <daftykins> that's what the grub-mkconfig seems to trip up on
[21:12] <lordievader> daftykins: What happens when he manually executes that script?
[21:13] <daftykins> /usr/sbin/mkconfig ?
[21:13] <lordievader>  /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub
[21:13] <daftykins> ah ok
[21:14] <daftykins> shall request it
[21:14] <lordievader> Is this in #ubuntu?
[21:14] <daftykins> i'm not sure if blz has tried asking in there as well, as i'm not in there right now - but nah i'm helping someone in #kodi-linux
[21:15] <lordievader> Hmm, I see.
[21:16] <daftykins> i did see it as an OS issue and not kodi, but felt like being a samaritan regardless ;)
[21:17] <lordievader> Oh it is a grub issue, can happen anywhere.
[21:17] <lordievader> I though 127 was that it couldn't find something, but I am not entirely sure.
[21:18] <daftykins> hrmm ok said script causes the above line which complains about those functions within /etc/default/grub
[21:18] <daftykins> there's only one left that i've not had the guy comment out yet, i'm tempted to try that to see what it does
[21:19] <lordievader> daftykins: Could you pastebin his /etc/default/grub file?
[21:20] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/
[21:20] <daftykins> it's this one
[21:20] <daftykins> so the three functions from line 38 seem to be what are being complained about
[21:20] <daftykins> i've had him comment out the first two
[21:21] <lordievader> That is /boot/grub/grub.cfg not /etc/default/grub...
[21:22] <daftykins> hrmm i explicitly stated the latter, wonder if he misread
[21:22] <lordievader> The /etc/default/grub file looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727313/
[21:23] <daftykins> i did glance at my own and thought... why so different 0o
[21:24] <lordievader> Well if that is his /e/d/grub it would explain a thing or two ;)
[21:25] <daftykins> yep user confirms that's it o0
[21:25] <lordievader> Hehe, well there you go ;)
[21:25] <daftykins> what's responsible for creating it so broken o0
[21:26] <daftykins> well it doesn't even get auto gen'd does it
[21:26] <lordievader> Nope.
[21:27] <daftykins> i wonder how he could possibly have had it substituted for something so off
[21:27] <daftykins> thanks for the sanity check :D i'll keep fiddling and see if i get anywhere with him
[21:28] <lordievader> Ah, sudo cp /usr/share/grub/default/grub /etc/default/grub
[21:28] <daftykins> then do a sudo update-grub ?
[21:29] <lordievader> Jup.
[21:29] <daftykins> ty :>
[21:29] <lordievader> Are we out of the woods?
[21:30] <daftykins> just awaiting the result
[21:36] <daftykins> lordievader: yep perfect :)
[21:36] <daftykins> thanks very much!
[21:40] <lordievader> Nice, no problem ;)
[21:43] <histo> OerHeks: it's an iphone 6, I'm assuming the battery is completely dead.
[21:43] <histo> Hopefully the staff at where it's located is willing to ship it. It would be cheaper to over night air the damn thing than for me to drive there.
[21:56] <histo> Ugghh  can't get vim to syntax highlight
[21:57] <daftykins> i think hotels have often gone to quite some lengths when a client has inevitably left things behind :D
[23:42] <histo> daftykins: unfortunately it's at a rest stop. I'm hoping the gas station will do the same
[23:42] <daftykins> ah i see


[05:11] <ka6sox> is anyone playing with the Nook Color?
[06:38] <tmzt> ka6sox: #nookie had some stuff not sure about ubuntu
[06:40] <ka6sox> tmzt, they are focused on Froyo...
[06:40] <ka6sox> I'm much more interested in Linux running on it.
[06:41] <ka6sox> going to try the OMAP remix of ubuntu-arm Maverick after I get the initramfs straightened out.
[06:59] <tmzt> okay
[12:09] <dcordes-lib> hi
[12:10] <dcordes-lib> I am wondering about the current natty ARM situation. Are the builds any usable yet? Is the progress documented ?
[12:37] <armin76> guerby: the reason why you have 512mb could be your u-boot/x-loader version, the ubuntu ppl should know for sure
[12:38] <armin76> guerby: if you had put gentoo :P
[13:04] <ogra> rsalveti, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-netbook/natty/daily-preinstalled-20110123.log
[13:04] <ogra> rsalveti, Package x-loader-omap not found!
[13:04] <ogra> rsalveti, does the binary have a new name ?
[13:12] <ka6sox> ogra, have you heard of anybody doing a native u-a on a nook color?
[13:12] <ogra> nope
[13:13] <ka6sox> okay then I'll continue then.
[13:14] <ka6sox> rootfs works, I'm just fixing up the initramfs.
[14:17] <awanti> can i install Ubuntu on ARM architecture
[16:56] <sveinse> ogra or rsalveti: noob question perhaps: How do I commit patches to rootstock?
[21:59] <dcordes> ~seen smoku
[23:30] <rlameiro> doesnt omap allows cpuscaling?
[23:31] <ka6sox-away> rlameiro, voltage and frequency
[23:31] <rlameiro> humm
[23:31] <rlameiro> i am trying linaro
[23:31] <rlameiro> and the cpufreq applet cant acess it
[23:31] <rlameiro> ...
[23:31] <rlameiro> running on a IGEPv2
[23:31] <ka6sox-away> depends on what things your kernel supports.
[23:31] <rlameiro> and it is slow as hell...
[23:32] <rlameiro> default linaro kernel
[23:34] <ka6sox-away> have you got a defconfig for that?
[23:35] <rlameiro> not really
[23:35] <rlameiro> but shouldnt the hwpack from linaro take that?
[23:36] <rlameiro> ka6sox-away: i followed this steps to install it
[23:39] <ka6sox-away> rlameiro, I am not familiar with linaro's distro...
[23:39] <rlameiro> oh ok
[23:39] <rlameiro> sorry
[23:40] <ka6sox-away> but in general it works.
[23:40] <rlameiro> ok
[23:58] <Samae> Hi, is it possible to have more info on building an ubuntu arm image
[23:59] <Samae> Is there a toolchain anywhere ? I intend to make it work on archos 101 it (cortex A8 omap 3)
[23:59] <topfs2> rootstock
[23:59] <Samae> only ?