[09:47] <frankban> fwereade: morning
[09:47] <fwereade> frankban, heyhey
[09:48] <frankban> fwereade: I am using 1.18.1-trusty-amd64 and I see a failure when bootstrapping a local env without default series (so trusty tools are uploaded) and the trying to deploy a precise charm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7274274/
[09:49] <frankban> fwereade: that's the output of "tailf ~/.juju/local/log/all-machines.log"
[09:49] <fwereade> frankban, arrgh, I know someone in australia/NZ has been working on related issues, I am not really up to date on them though
[09:50] <frankban> fwereade: so, do you know if this is going to be fixed in trusty? this breaks quickstart
[09:51] <fwereade> frankban, I will try to find out; but doesn't quickstart create the environment itself? so it *could* set default-series explicitly..?
[09:52] <fwereade> frankban, (this is not to say that core shouldn't fix it, we surely should)
[09:55] <frankban> fwereade: yes, I think, now that we ported the GUI charm to trusty, quickstart should be changed to be smart enough and deploy the gui version based on the bootstrap node series, and also add a "trusty" default-series when it automatically generates the first local env. But we also allow users to change the environments, and moreover that bug would hit us again if e.g. the user then uses the GUI to deploy a saucy c
[09:55] <frankban> harm
[10:02] <frankban> fwereade: I also have an unrelated issue: when setting constraints via SetServiceConstraints API, the default behavior is that if a key/value pair is not passed (i.e. arch or mem) the corresponding constraint is removed (or set to its zero value). The only exception seems to be "tags" (defined as *[]string): if they exist and you set constraints without specifying them, they are not removed. For consistency, I expe
[10:02] <frankban> cted them to be unset.
[10:02] <frankban> rogpeppe: FYI ^^^
[10:02] <fwereade> frankban, good catch, that tags thing is definitely a bug
[10:03] <fwereade> frankban, they should be removed
[10:03] <fwereade> frankban, if there's a bug for that, would you please assign it to wallyworld? he's working on constraints at the moment
[10:03] <frankban> fwereade: should I file a bug?
[10:03] <fwereade> frankban, yes please
[10:03] <frankban> fwereade: sure
[10:04] <frankban> fwereade: is there a bug for the local provider/series issue?
[10:05] <fwereade> frankban, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1306537
[10:05] <_mup_> Bug #1306537: LXC provider fails to provision precise instances from a trusty host <deploy> <local-provider> <lxc> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306537>
[10:05] <fwereade> frankban, (so indeed it looks like there isn't anybody on it at the moment)
[10:05] <frankban> fwereade: great, thank you!
[10:12] <frankban> fwereade: filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1309449
[10:12] <_mup_> Bug #1309449: SetServiceConstraints API does not remove tags <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309449>
[10:32] <frankban> fwereade, rick_h_ also filed quickstart bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1309455
[10:32] <_mup_> Bug #1309455: The auto-generated local env does not work in trusty <juju-quickstart:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309455>
[10:34] <frankban> rick_h_: for when you are available, please read the above ^^^ I suspect we need to start the process of patching quickstart in trusty/universe
[11:17] <rick_h_> frankban: looking
[11:18] <rick_h_> bah, that's not good
[11:20] <frankban> rick_h_: I created a card in urgent for quickstart, if you agree that would be the first think I'll tackle next week (tue)
[11:20] <rick_h_> frankban: thanks, I should have thought about trusty lxc and trusty gui charm.
[11:20] <rick_h_> frankban: yep, sounds good to me
[11:23] <frankban> rick_h_: yeah, the problem is not the trusty GUI charm. having that is a good thing and allows for the improvement/workaround I described in the bug. So, the problem will go away if the juju-core fix lands, but we can alleviate it by updating quickstart to use trusty defaults (which IMHO is a good idea even without that bug)
[11:23] <rick_h_> frankban: right, but I think having quickstart create a trusty environment by default is a sane default for the life of trusty
[11:24] <rick_h_> frankban: kind of smack in the head silly, but lack of trusty charms and working with trusty based juju environments hid it a bit from being so obvious
[11:24] <frankban> rick_h_: yes, even after trusty, the same way we defaulted to precise till now
[11:25] <frankban> rick_h_: we were not aware of bug 1306537. since this is a bug I guess we should not need an exception to update quickstart/trusty
[11:25] <_mup_> Bug #1306537: LXC provider fails to provision precise instances from a trusty host <deploy> <local-provider> <lxc> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-quickstart:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306537>
[11:26] <frankban> rick_h_: the bug was filed seven days ago
[11:26] <frankban> :-/
[11:27]  * rick_h_ goes to subscribe to bugs, missed I wasn't
[11:29] <frankban> anyway, updated this morning... trusty is beautiful!
[11:29] <rick_h_> jujugui dr appt this morning. Back in a bit
[11:45]  * frankban lunches
[12:00] <bac> hey rick_h_
[12:11] <bac> bbiab
[12:35] <frankban> jujugui: in comingsoon I am not able to close the inspector: filed bug 1309503
[12:35] <_mup_> Bug #1309503: Unable to close the inspector <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309503>
[12:52] <frankban> guihelp: I need two reviews for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/246
[12:54] <frankban> fwereade: juju add-machine in trusty local envs is incredibly fast, that's amazing!
[13:04] <frankban> jujugui: behold the speed! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7275468/
[13:05] <rick_h_> back here
[13:05] <rick_h_> bac: howdy
[13:07] <rick_h_> frankban: nice! :)
[13:10] <frankban> rick_h_: interview is in 50 mins, right?
[13:11] <rick_h_> frankban: yes, I'm working on the doc for it now
[13:11] <frankban> rick_h_: cool thanks
[13:12] <rick_h_> and man, having an MRI done is kind of draining, almost fall alseep if it wasn't for the giant machine screaming at you
[13:12] <rick_h_> Makyo: around yet?
[13:13] <rick_h_> frankban: bac Makyo interview doc shared
[13:20]  * frankban gives initial +1 for quoting "The Ramones" in the screenshots
[13:21] <rick_h_> lol
[13:21] <rick_h_> frankban: if you've got a sec, can you reset the code test question on the collab edit thing that Makyo setup?
[13:22] <frankban> rick_h_: looking
[13:27] <frankban> rick_h_: done
[13:27] <rick_h_> frankban: <3
[13:56] <Makyo> Around
[13:57] <rick_h_> Makyo: cool, frankban updated the collab thing.
[13:57] <rick_h_> wonder if bac will be back in time
[13:57] <Makyo> Alright, cool.
[13:57] <rick_h_> oh email, you are so mighty /me digs some more
[14:00]  * rick_h_ is thinking no bac
[14:00] <rick_h_> kadams54: around? able to join an quick interview?
[14:01] <kadams54> yup
[14:01] <rick_h_> kadams54: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/ed-cashin-team?authuser=1
[14:01] <rick_h_> kadams54: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/18hkqeQBRrS8uC9DNjgz8F7kXHJgICC4eFquxovH5FRI/edit#
[14:09] <bac> rick_h_: sorry.  want me to join?
[14:10] <rick_h_> bac: up to you, we have kyle stand in at the moment but if you'd like to participate you're welcome to join in
[14:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[14:59] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 2
[15:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: were you joining today?
[15:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: no planning poker so optional
[15:20] <rick_h_> frankban: so as a Go kid, interfaces sound like mixins based on that call?
[15:22] <frankban> rick_h_: if you mean embedding is similar to YUI mixins, then I think you are right
[15:22] <rick_h_> I was thinking of interfaces, the way he described them seemed very python mixin-like
[15:23]  * rick_h_ needs to find some Go time
[15:24] <frankban> rick_h_: interfaces allows for polymorphism: if the passed struct receives the set of method the interfaces declares, then it's ok
[15:24] <rick_h_> ok, so it's a bit of the opposite
[15:24] <rick_h_> nvm, I see now
[15:25] <rick_h_> the struct declares the interfaces and mixing the declarations and fails if it's missing any bits from them
[15:25] <frankban> rick_h_: e.g. I can define a function accepting a io.ReadWriter. That means I can pass any value implementing both Read(p []byte) (n int, err error) and Write(p []byte) (n int, err error)
[15:25] <rick_h_> right
[15:26] <frankban> rick_h_: my understanding is that he described it fairly well, he then switched to embedding and described it with a containment metaphor
[15:26] <rick_h_> right
[15:26] <rick_h_> I've not run into embedding so that was cool
[15:27] <rick_h_> sounds like a form of composition that could be useful
[15:28] <frankban> rick_h_: yes AFAICT it's like delegation + a dynamic dispatcher. So if b receives foo() and a embeds b I can either call a.foo() or a.b.foo()
[15:29] <rick_h_> oh, auto dispatching is interesting
[15:40] <frankban> yes, especially considering it can help implementing interfaces
[15:54] <rick_h_> frankban: can you toss the link for your branch in the card? /me is still sorting emails
[15:55] <frankban> rick_h_: it's already in the card
[15:55] <frankban> rick_h_: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/246
[15:55] <rick_h_> bah, one of these days I'll get used to that external link
[15:55] <rick_h_> I keep looking in the description
[15:55] <frankban> heh
[15:55] <rick_h_> I always think of the link as the bug number
[15:56] <rick_h_> thanks
[16:03] <jcsackett> rick_h_: sorry i didn't respond to ping earlier--i've been on and offline all morning with bad internet. (and don't know for sure that i'm actually connected now, tbh)
[16:03] <rick_h_> jcsackett: welcome all good
[16:12] <rick_h_> frankban: review in, let me know if Makyo can't get to qa and I'll try to load it up
[16:12] <Makyo> QAing now
[16:12]  * rick_h_ goes to cook up lunchables now
[16:12] <Makyo> rick_h_, frankban ^
[16:12] <frankban> thank you both!
[16:57] <hatch> hazmat I attempted to use bumblebee and it bricked it until I reset all of the display drivers. I am now running nvidia-prime but I think that's running the gpu all the time :/
[18:05] <bac> hey rick_h_ i was thinking if you didn't want to mess with that reservation (cc and what-not) we could just do 2x 6 pax via opentable
[18:08] <rick_h_> bac: all good, I read through the email. I thought they just needed me to call but I've got to scan some cards and such
[18:08] <rick_h_> bac: which is crazy, but will get it done
[18:08] <rick_h_> just hope jcsackett appreciates the extent we go for this :P
[18:08] <bac> i suspect he does not
[18:08] <bac> rick_h_: yeah, i just get nervous sending cc info like that.  very non-standard and silly.
[18:09] <rick_h_> yea, true
[18:33] <jcsackett> rick_h_, bac: y'know, if public house isn't easy to do, it's totally fine with me if something else happens. i'm just saying it's a fine option. :)
[18:33] <rick_h_> jcsackett: they're making it darn hard to get a reservation. They want me to email copies of my CC and license
[18:33] <bac> jcsackett: they were not as easy to deal with as they could be but i think it is almost done
[18:33] <jcsackett> rick_h_: damn.
[18:33] <jcsackett> that's...a little crazy.
[18:34] <jcsackett> rick_h_: they say why they need something like that?
[18:34] <rick_h_> because pie
[18:34] <rick_h_> :P
[18:34] <bac> jcsackett: you can do up to 7 people in opentable.  over that requires TSA-like scrutiny
[19:41] <jcsackett> jujugui: i'm contemplating what i can start messing with monday morning so i'm not twiddling my thumbs before the 11am call. is bug 1309503 a likely candidate, or are there dragons?
[19:41] <_mup_> Bug #1309503: Unable to close the inspector <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309503>
[19:43] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yep, let's chat as there's new stuff there
[19:43] <jcsackett> rick_h_: okeedokee.
[19:44] <rick_h_> otp at the moment
[19:44] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ok. ping me when you're free--i'm largely open this afternoon.
[19:52] <hatch> jcsackett welcome back :)
[19:52] <jcsackett> hatch: thanks. :)
[20:34] <lazyPower> rick_h_: does juju gui support deploying local charms in bundle format?
[20:34] <rick_h_> "in bundle format" ?
[20:34] <lazyPower> sorry i'm being silly with terminology.
[20:34] <rick_h_> it displays local charms now
[20:34] <lazyPower> i have a bundle, with full paths to local charms
[20:35] <rick_h_> lazyPower: no, juju core increments the version number and things break down.
[20:35] <rick_h_> so you have to use the deployer
[20:35] <rick_h_> and they'll show in the GUI
[20:35] <rick_h_> but you can't drag/drop a bundle with local charms and have it work
[20:35] <lazyPower> thats what I was lookin for. Thanks my friend.
[20:35] <lazyPower> I was using quick start and things "just worked", i tried the drag and drop method and it went funky
[20:35] <lazyPower> so, much appreciation for the clarification.
[20:58] <rick_h_> jcsackett: still around?
[20:58] <rick_h_> jcsackett: if not I'll be up and at em in the monday AM and we can catch up then
[20:59] <rick_h_> my first call isn't until 9am so we can catch up before that
[21:00]  * rick_h_ is out, have a good weekend all!
[21:08] <jcsackett> rick_h_ I see you're out and I'm starting to cook dinner. Monday AM works for me.
[21:08] <jcsackett> Have a good weekend, all.


[00:45] <bkerensa> blkperl: nathwill would like to know when you are at the PSU so we can plan to bring the server by
[00:45] <blkperl> bkerensa: 11-5 M-F
[00:46] <bkerensa> blkperl: will let him know


[16:40] <wililupy> Question: Is anyone else getting http error 500 when trying to snap refresh ubuntu-core?
[16:41] <wililupy> I'm getting this error on my 16.04 laptop and from my Ubuntu-core KVM's.
[16:42] <wililupy> Sorry wrong channel.
[16:55] <pleia2> hopefully firming up venue details next week for an SF release party next month \o/
[16:55] <pleia2> I have a contact who is excited about helping us, but she's on vacation this week
[16:59] <lynorian> pleia2, :D
[22:53] <nhaines> pleia2: that's great news!  :D


[01:36] <rickbol_> does ubuntustudio include an app that can rip a dvd? I don't see handbrake.
[01:37] <holstein> rickbol_: i would just search the package manager of your choice
[01:39] <holstein> i would consider using https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots
[01:40] <holstein> rickbol_: looks like acidrip is in the default ubuntu repos that ubuntustudio and all the other variants share
[01:46] <anto> hello everyone
[01:47] <anto> could you please advice me the best way to rip or shrink a DVD to hard disc or burn it directly from live cd?
[01:47] <holstein> anto: i would try #ubuntu
[01:47] <holstein> we are usually more about creating new content here
[01:48] <holstein> anything that would work for ubuntu would work for ubuntustudio
[01:48] <holstein> i dont think we include any ripping tools on the live CD
[01:48] <holstein> maybe the avlinux live CD has those tools
[01:48] <anto> thanks holstein mybe I missed the poin, what is the difference to going to ubuntu?
[01:48] <holstein> anto: more support
[01:48] <holstein> anto: more users to ask
[01:49] <anto> oh I see!
[01:49] <holstein> anto: we are not allowed to ship dvd support with any ubuntu by default
[01:49] <holstein> best case, i would think you could add a few packages and "rip" a dvd
[01:49] <holstein> though, that is not legal in my area, so i have not tried it in ages
[01:49] <anto> I read Ubuntu Studio is the best for multimedia
[01:50] <holstein> anto: you are not doing mulitmedia though
[01:50] <holstein> anto: you are changing the format of a packaged product
[01:50] <anto> ah now is more clear thanks
[01:50] <holstein> we have access to the same tool in ubuntu that would make that possible
[01:50] <holstein> anto: nothing about linux/ubuntu/ubuntustudio makes that dvd not supported
[01:51] <holstein> anto: its the dvd codecs that are licensed in a way that we cannot release them
[01:51] <anto> thanks I understand
[01:51] <holstein> anto: i would install ubuntustudio or something lighter to a USB stick
[01:51] <holstein> anto: i would install the lib-dvd stuff
[01:51] <holstein> !dvd
[01:52] <holstein> i would try something like handbrake via https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots or acidrip from the repos
[01:53] <holstein> OR, i would look for a live cd that might support that. maybe a mint spin, or avlinux
[01:53] <anto> a live cd is the best option for me
[01:55] <holstein> anto: sure, then try a mint spin, or maybe avlinux.. or a distro that is not "legal".. or make your own
[01:55] <holstein> anto: maybe a suse one with the online suse studio
[01:55] <holstein> anto: or, think about why we do not have such a live CD, and maybe just ask the conten creator for the product in the format you want
[01:56] <anto> not your fault guys
[07:17] <Flamethrower> hey everyone. Long time since I used an IRC room
[07:18] <Flamethrower> how you all doing?
[08:03] <gordonjcp> ugh, XFCE is just unusable
[08:18] <z0dd> little problem: i wish to style nautilus toolbar but window manager styles seem not to affect it. solutions?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> doesn't xfce use thunar?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> right, I've given Linux audio my once-a-year shot
[08:55] <gordonjcp> I can't put up with XFCE and its teeny-tiny blurry fonts, and there are still no PC-based sequencers
[09:02] <zequence> gordonjcp: You're free to use any desktop system you like
[09:03] <gordonjcp> zequence: I might stick Unity back on
[09:03] <zequence> gordonjcp: What do you mean by there not being PC-based sequencers?
[09:03] <gordonjcp> zequence: nothing usable
[09:04] <zequence> gordonjcp: Well, you can always help improve the ones that exist
[09:04] <gordonjcp> zequence: the thing is, I do music-y stuff as a hobby
[09:04] <gordonjcp> software development is a major part of my job
[09:04] <gordonjcp> this is why the music software I've already written is so unmaintained
[09:05] <zequence> gordonjcp: Did you try Ardourd3? And what kind of music are you making?
[09:05] <gordonjcp> zequence: mostly electronica, industrial stuff
[09:06] <gordonjcp> I haven't tried Ardour 3 for a while, but the last time I did it was terrible
[09:06] <zequence> gordonjcp: Ok, so you need samples and instruments. I'm doing something in those realms myself, but I'm only ever using puredata
[09:06] <gordonjcp> zequence: I have samples and instruments
[09:06] <gordonjcp> more than I could possibly ever need
[09:06] <gordonjcp> what I don't have is a sequencer
[09:06] <zequence> I find commercial sequencers less tha adequate for what I want to do
[09:07] <zequence> Since, what I do is very much live based, and involves a bit of improvisation
[09:07] <gordonjcp> seq24 is quite flexible for that
[09:08] <gordonjcp> I love being able to just gate patterns on and off with the keyboard
[09:08] <zequence> I don't like having to be confined to the boundaries a sequencer puts on you
[09:08] <gordonjcp> I don't like how unstable PC-based sequencers are
[09:08] <gordonjcp> they just can't keep time
[09:08] <gordonjcp> take *any* sequencer, commercial or open-source, running on any OS, program in a snare rush
[09:09] <zequence> I've had some problems with alsa midi, and an external module
[09:09] <gordonjcp> sounds like someone tipping turnips off a lorry
[09:09] <zequence> gordonjcp: Do you ever feel like you get to do the music you want to make?
[09:10] <gordonjcp> zequence: yes, but not when I involve computers
[09:10] <zequence> If not, I would probably look for options on how to improve that situation. For me, it was puredata.
[09:10] <gordonjcp> apart from my Atari ST, which Just Plain Works
[09:12] <gordonjcp> zequence: I tried puredata but I just don't understand it
[09:16] <zequence> gordonjcp: supercollider then?
[09:18] <gordonjcp> zequence: again, I don't really know what I'd use it for
[09:19] <zequence> gordonjcp: Well, what do you use a sequencer for? Controlling stuff, no?
[09:20] <gordonjcp> yes
[09:20] <gordonjcp> but supercollider and puredata look like they're more for synthesis
[09:23] <zequence> gordonjcp: I'd say good for both. But, no linearity, until you create it
[09:30] <gordonjcp> right, but then that means I have to sit and grind code
[09:30] <gordonjcp> which I don't want to do
[09:30] <gordonjcp> the whole point of sitting down to fiddle about with music stuff is to take a break from sitting bashing out code
[09:31] <gordonjcp> at present there seems to be no way to do that, without firing up the Atari ST
[09:32] <zequence> gordonjcp: Ever thought about just playing the piano?
[09:33] <z0dd> @gordonjcp, thank you, didn't know thunar. i come from nautilus under linux mint. now enabled, works perfectly. thanx
[09:35] <zequence> z0dd: Thunar is the default file manager in XFCE, but in Ubuntu Studio, we replaced it with Nautilus
[09:35] <gordonjcp> zequence: I just don't get why an Alesis MMT8 with a little 4MHz microcontroller can maintain solid timing but a PC with a 4GHz processor, clocked 1000 times faster with 64-bit words instead of 8-bit, can't even get close
[09:37] <zequence> gordonjcp: How do you notice this? By ear? If I can add stuff to a prerecorded track, that was recorded to a specific time, ranging about 30 min or more, and being able to add stuff to it, on time, not noticing any deviations, is that not good enough?
[09:40] <z0dd> zequence: why, if i can? thunar appears to be faster and more eyecandy, standard based and lightweight
[09:41] <zequence> z0dd: I'm not advicing on your choice of file manager. Just informing
[09:41] <gordonjcp> zequence: yes, by ear
[09:42] <gordonjcp> I know a lot of the jitter is down to the inherent granularity of MIDI
[09:42] <gordonjcp> but that tends to give you the same offset all the time
[09:42] <z0dd> zequence: obviously, lol, just to ask ;)
[09:43] <zequence> gordonjcp: We did add timer stuff to 12.10. Don't know if it's properly configured, so it's active. On 12.04 right now myself
[09:44] <zequence> gordonjcp: Might help reduce jitter. But, in my experience, alsa midi is what causes most of it. And, especially with external devices
[09:45] <zequence> jack midi was a lot easier to work with. I was able to record some stuff from my Roland XV-5050. Connected through usb
[09:45] <zequence> I was using Ardour3 for that (last year)
[09:45] <zequence> Don't know how much usb plays a role
[09:46] <zequence> I'm only concerned with what the music sounds like though
[09:47] <zequence> Don't know the internals of jack and alsa midi, so I can't really say what makes the difference
[09:47] <gordonjcp> oh man, USB MIDI is the *pits*
[09:48] <gordonjcp> I have this USB MIDI cable that I can basically only use for patch dumps
[09:55] <gordonjcp> it actually tries to interpret MIDI data in and out, rather than just passing on raw bytes
[09:55] <gordonjcp> so it does pointless nonsense like expanding running status into full messages
[10:44] <werto> o/ *
[11:08] <zequence> gordonjcp: Don't know how much difference it would make for you, but if you know about this http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration#hardware_timers
[11:08] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio 12.10 has added the timer permission rules
[11:09] <zequence> But, the max_user_freq is not set to 3072, which seems to be the recommended value
[11:33] <fabzor3> hi all
[11:41] <XRS1> welcome
[17:47] <snevzor> hello
[17:48] <snevzor> a friend just installed ubuntu studio 12.10
[17:48] <snevzor> but he can't install anything
[17:49] <snevzor> seems like conflicting ppa's out of the box...
[17:49] <snevzor> but I can't seem to figure it out
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: there are no PPA's
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: the packages are all in the repos
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: i would open a terminal and ping something... ping google.come
[18:02] <holstein> snevzor: i would open a terminal and ping something... ping google.com
[18:02] <holstein> see that the system is online.. then i would try
[18:02] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[18:03] <holstein> see that that completes without errors
[18:03] <holstein> then, try and install something and share the errors
[18:03] <holstein> snevzor: there are no PPA's installed
[18:57] <studio-user238> hello
[18:58] <holstein> o/
[18:58] <studio-user238> Trying to get my display link to work
[18:59] <studio-user238> Anybody ever done one?
[18:59] <Unit193> Display link?
[18:59] <studio-user238> usb to VGA
[19:00] <holstein> never used that.. what is the device? do you see it in the output of lsusb?
[19:02] <studio-user238> lusb?
[19:02] <studio-user238> is that a command
[19:02] <holstein> studio-user238: thats where i would start... assuming you havent used that device in linux before
[19:03] <holstein> open a terminal and run "lsusb".. see if its listed
[19:03] <studio-user238> meaning?
[19:03] <holstein> studio-user238: meaning, you type, or copy paste the command "lsusb" into a terminal, and hit the enter key
[19:03] <holstein> you'll see some text..
[19:04] <holstein> you'll want to look and see if the usb to vga device is listed there.. you can share the output if you need help enterpretting
[19:04] <holstein> !paste
[19:04] <studio-user238> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:3803 Standard Microsystems Corp.  Bus 001 Device 004: ID 17e9:02ee Newnham Research  Bus 002 Device 003: ID 17e9:02ee Newn
[19:06] <holstein> studio-user238: i would check out
[19:07] <holstein> !paste | studio-user238
[19:07] <holstein> so i can see the entire output, and you are not flooding
[19:08] <studio-user238> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1335515/
[19:09] <rickbol> having slow video performance on this dell d630. It has the recommended NVIDIA drivers installed, but it just can't be working correctly for this OS and C\GPU.
[19:10] <holstein> rickbol: have you tried with the vesa driver? i would trouble shoot that way.. even with the live CD ad "nomodeset".. you can learn something
[19:10] <rickbol> first symptom is a 3 - 5 second screen refresh w\CPU showing very busy when I switch virtual desktops, or even tabbing between terminal and browser or other app
[19:12] <holstein> studio-user238: 17e9:02ee Newnham Research is the device..
[19:12] <rickbol> another symptom is firefox complaining: "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so" libvdpau_nvidia.so doesn't exist.
[19:13] <holstein> rickbol: how is it with the vesa driver
[19:13] <holstein> ?
[19:14] <studio-user238> Newnham Research usb device
[19:15] <studio-user238> how to get it to work?
[19:17] <rickbol> holstein: haven't tried vesa driver yet, but I'm pretty sure 2D performance will be wanting (due to lack of hardware acceleration).
[19:18] <holstein> rickbol: im not suggesting you switch to vesa.. its more of a troubleshooting step
[19:18] <holstein> studio-user238: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5NjY is where i would start
[19:33] <rickbol> "Additional Drivers" list 6 different NVIDIA driver possibilities for my hardware, but the descriptions don't discriminate between them in any way that suggests which is the most recent.
[19:34] <holstein> i would try them and use what works best
[19:34] <holstein> !nvidia
[19:34] <holstein> i had 2 options.. i think i went with "stable"
[19:48] <rickbol> holstein: perhaps some improvement with vid performance by changing driver! thx for encouragement.
[19:48] <holstein> rickbol: yeah... some improvement is improvment :)
[19:50] <rickbol> also, put a bcm4322 (listed as BCM432b) and using the proprietary STA has proven (so far) better than bcm4311 or intel4965AGN
[19:50] <rickbol> for wifi
[19:51] <holstein> i didnt hve luck with the open one :/
[19:53] <rickbol> is there anyway to increase the size of the area that allows resizing of windows. I can hardly "dial-in" the spot that lets me drag a window larger\smaller
[19:55] <holstein> rickbol: good question... i havent had to mess with that.. but i did notice.. i might just try looking in the theme.. though maybe Unit193 would know, or know where to ask/look
[19:56] <rickbol> I thought I saw something in the settings manager... looking again
[20:03] <rickbol> ALT+RightClick+drag will work fine if I can remember it.
[20:03] <holstein> rickbol: that might have been where i landed, now that i read that
[23:58] <gordonjcp> what the hell
[23:58] <gordonjcp> there isn't a mail client installed by default, but there *is* xchat?