[07:30] <calamari> anyone compiled shfs on Ubuntu?  I'm not sure how to compile a kernel module.. it's telling me "make[3] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop."
[07:30] <Xenguy> GammaRay: e.g. -> ping -i 240 domain.com > /dev/null &
[07:30] <tweek888> woot its working :)
[07:30] <GammaRay> Xenguy: that's if I have the privs
[07:31] <Xenguy> GammaRay: not sure what you mean
[07:31] <GammaRay> privileges
[07:32] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I know, but what privileges don't you have to ping a server? :-)
[07:32] <GammaRay> on my home box I can't ping w/out root.  ping has to be suid root
[07:32] <Xenguy> really?
[07:33] <Xenguy> GammaRay: ls -ld `which ping`
[07:33] <decklin> calamari: get kernel-package and kernel-source-*, read the directions first
[07:34] <GammaRay> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 31K 2004-08-12 17:17 /bin/ping
[07:34] <GammaRay> that's default ubuntu
[07:34] <farruinn> erm, that doesn't require you to be root...
[07:34] <GammaRay> no.. but it is suid root
[07:34] <Xenguy> GammaRay: same as mine - and I can ping with non-root user
[07:35] <tweek888> are the wine servers down?
[07:35] <calamari> decklin: I have those packages.. which directions are you referring to?
[07:35] <Xenguy> GammaRay: if it is suid root already, what is the problem though?
[07:35] <mebaran151> damn ALSA
[07:35] <mebaran151> I checked my modules
[07:36] <LucaBrasi> what's array 4?
[07:36] <decklin> calamari: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
[07:36] <GammaRay> Xenguy: never said there was one (-: just that I have a box in which ping isn't suid root
[07:36] <Amaranth> the name of the release
[07:36] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: jdub said the real challenge was figuring out what array stands for
[07:36] <Amaranth> I was too tired to do it, maybe you could? :)
[07:36] <daniels> Amaranth: it's on the wiki, i'm sure
[07:37] <GammaRay> anyways.. on the school server ping is executable by me and suid root, but it's just not in my PATH
[07:37] <mebaran151> My ALSA setup failed after a reboot and reinstall
[07:37] <calamari> decklin: thanks
[07:37] <Xenguy> GammaRay: your speech is confusing - you say you have suid root /bin/ping on your Ubu box, then you say you have a box in which ping isn't suid root -- well, which is it?
[07:37] <mebaran151> all the moduels look like they are loaded
[07:37] <mebaran151> and the mixer is ok
[07:37] <GammaRay> Xenguy: I have two boxes
[07:37] <daniels> array : hoary :: sounder : warty; hedgehog : hoary :: warthog : warty
[07:37] <LucaBrasi> whats the diff between warty and hoary
[07:37] <Xenguy> GammaRay: are you root on both?
[07:38] <GammaRay> sure.. but one of them is directly connected to the net and I'm fine w/ typing sudo ping on it
[07:38] <Amaranth> daniels: That doesn't explain much. :P
[07:39] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I'm giving up on you, sorry -- if you want good help, then you need to be clear, and not force those trying to help you to decipher your statements
[07:39] <LucaBrasi> whats the diff between warty and hoary ? and is hoary just a beta ?
[07:39] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: Name of the release.
[07:40] <chillywilly> when are we going to have an hplip package for ubuntu?
[07:40] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: The first version was called warty warthog, the second one is called hoary hedgehog.
[07:40] <LucaBrasi> it says on ubuntu.com that hoary is gonna be released in april 2005, but the url in topic shows that hoary is out already ..whats the deal? is it the final or just a test?
[07:40] <Amaranth> Perky Penguin creeps me out, btw.
[07:40] <crimsun> LucaBrasi: 4th milestone is out. See the topic.
[07:40] <chillywilly> it's a "development" version
[07:41] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: It's an unstable release that they need people to test.
[07:41] <GammaRay> Xenguy: my only request for help was about staying on my school server when I'm idle. Tis all
[07:41] <chillywilly> i.e., not the official release
[07:41] <Amaranth> it's an official release, just not a final one ;)
[07:41] <calamari> decklin: I'm still not sure how to get shfs to compile.. any pointers would be most helpful
[07:42] <LucaBrasi> ok I see
[07:42] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I'm aware of your problem -- it's trying to find a solution where we ran into 'vagueness' -- I've already offered what I can anyway, so that's all I have to say
[07:42] <LucaBrasi> how stable is the 4th milestone?
[07:42] <LucaBrasi> and can u upgrade to final hoary later?
[07:42] <decklin> calamari: i forget, is shfs a patch or is it in the mainstream kernel these days?
[07:42] <mebaran> my sndcard is an emu10k1
[07:42] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: It's pretty good and yes.
[07:42] <mebaran> and it is not working
[07:42] <calamari> decklin: I don't know.. I downloaded the shfs gz off sourceforge
[07:42] <mebaran> despite the fax both the mixer and the modules are set properly
[07:43] <roybattius> anybody have problem getting ndiswrapper to work after a hoary upgrade?
[07:43] <decklin> calamari: it should have its own README then. you'll probably have to patch the kernel sources.
[07:43] <crimsun> mebaran: what does /proc/asound/modules contain?
[07:43] <LucaBrasi> noticable difference between warty and hoary ?
[07:43] <calamari> decklin: the readme tells me to type "make".. but it doesn't work because it's looking for a "module" rule that doesn't exist
[07:43] <calamari> err "modules" rule
[07:44] <mebaran> I dont have modules
[07:44] <mebaran> except as a file
[07:44] <decklin> either you or the readme are skipping a few steps :)
[07:44] <mebaran> /proc/asound contains Audigy2 card0 cards devices hwdep modules oss pcm seq timers version
[07:44] <calamari> decklin: yeah, I think so.. :)  shfs seems like it'd be really cool, though
[07:45] <Amaranth> shfs?
[07:45] <calamari> Amaranth: if I can get it to compile, it should allow me to mount a remote filesystem via ssh
[07:45] <decklin> it looks like you can simply install kernel-headers-2.6.10-whatever and compile the module outside of the kernel source tree
[07:45] <LucaBrasi> guys whats the main difference in ubuntu .. other words, why aren't there million+ distros out there sufficient? what's new/better in ubuntu?
[07:45] <GammaRay> Xenguy: I was just mentioning that perhaps the HPUX server might not let me ping as my own box does not. Then I discovered ping was just not in my PATH. problem solved.
[07:46] <decklin> or should be able to. i don't know why their makefile doesn't have the rule that their documentation is telling you to run.
[07:46] <Xenguy> GammaRay: excellent :-)
[07:46] <crimsun> mebaran: try and answer my question, please.
[07:46] <mebaran> crimsun
[07:46] <mebaran> I did
[07:46] <mebaran> modules is a file
[07:46] <GammaRay> well I ran this.. well see how it goes in a few hours
[07:46] <mebaran> I can not cd into it
[07:46] <GammaRay> while true; do /usr/sbin/ping www.google.com -n 1 ; sleep 3600 ; done &>/dev/null &
[07:46] <crimsun> mebaran: I'm asking you to list its contents.
[07:47] <crimsun> mebaran: I'm not asking you to change working directory into it.
[07:47] <decklin> calamari: shfs-source is in debian/unstable. has it hit hoary/universe yet? (i am not on my ubuntu machine)
[07:47] <mebaran> crimsun, sorry
[07:47] <mebaran> so should I cat it?
[07:47] <crimsun> mebaran: yes
[07:47] <mebaran> 0 snd_emu10k1
[07:47] <mebaran> there you go
[07:47] <mebaran> sorry about that
[07:47] <Drizzt321> I am looking to try installing ubuntu onto an amd64(with the amd64 version) on the new nforce4 motherboard. I have 2 sata disks on the nvidia ports with nvraid in raid0, however the sata_nv does not see it as '1' disk, but the 2 seperate ones. anyone else run into this problem? anyone hear anything about this issue?
[07:47] <crimsun> decklin: yes, 0.35-1 is in universe.
[07:47] <mebaran> I am easily confused
[07:48] <decklin> crimsun: try doing it that way.
[07:48] <crimsun> calamari: ^^
[07:48] <calamari> decklin: not sure.. downloading the linux-headers package so synaptic is busy atm
[07:48] <Xenguy> GammaRay: or as a cron job (?)
[07:48] <mebaran> Drizzt321, I had the same problem
[07:48] <mebaran> the problem is
[07:48] <mebaran> nvraid is really software raid
[07:48] <tweek888> is xmms just like winamp or music only?
[07:48] <Drizzt321> mebaran: yea, the nvraid is pretty much software
[07:48] <mebaran> with a speical windows driver
[07:48] <mebaran> we dont have a linux driver yet
[07:48] <mebaran> to read the bios
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: oh. my. so basically it don't work on linux.
[07:49] <mebaran> so you cant run the raid that way
[07:49] <mebaran> yeah
[07:49] <GammaRay> ~> crontab -e
[07:49] <GammaRay> crontab: you are not authorized to use cron.  Sorry.
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: damnit. well, thanks.
[07:49] <GammaRay> ouch
[07:49] <mebaran> just use the linux kernel raid
[07:49] <mebaran> or use dynamic disks
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: ermm...won't work. this would be dual boot
[07:49] <Xenguy> GammaRay: ah well
[07:49] <mebaran> dynamic disks
[07:49] <mebaran> can be over partitions
[07:49] <farruinn> wow, people need to learn to hit enter less in this channel
[07:49] <mebaran> and linux usually has the modules to read them
[07:49] <Xenguy> farruinn: heh
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: hrm?
[07:49] <mebaran> oh
[07:50] <calamari> decklin: synaptic says "0.35-1 (warty)" in the versions tab
[07:50] <mebaran> If you are running XP, you have a kernel raid
[07:50] <mebaran> just like Linux has a kernel raid
[07:50] <Drizzt321> mebaran: hmm...maybe NCQ is not worth the overhead of the software raid...so perhaps the silicon image raid would be better?
[07:50] <Drizzt321> mebaran: ahhh, gotcha, thats how it does it.
[07:50] <mebaran> kernel raid is doable just in a partition
[07:50] <mebaran> Silicon Raid hs the exact same problem
[07:51] <mebaran> except I think redhat has a utility to work with the raid bios
[07:51] <mebaran> it would be a pain to load and install though
[07:51] <Drizzt321> mebaran: both are pretty much completely in software?
[07:51] <decklin> calamari: appears to be the latest version. install that and shfs-utils. the -source package should have instructions on building .debs (you'll need kernel-headers installed of course)
[07:51] <mebaran> very much so
[07:51] <Drizzt321> mebaran: crap.
[07:51] <mebaran> hardware raid
[07:51] <mebaran> is very very expensive
[07:51] <mpq> xmms doesn't play mpeg-4 audio does it?
[07:51] <marco> how can i install xmms on my ubuntu
[07:52] <tweek888> i think it is
[07:52] <tezza> how would i mount a smb share so that a specific user can have read/write to it?
[07:52] <Drizzt321> mebaran: yea, I know. I just thought the SI chip would mask it a bit better. I know that on my old board my promise controller(for ide) would 'hide' the fact that it was seperate disks. or was that just the linux driver working?
[07:52] <mebaran> Drizzt321, but kernel raid is better anyway
[07:52] <mpq> marco: open a terminal, and type "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[07:52] <mpq> without the quotes
[07:52] <mebaran> promise might store the driver in bios
[07:52] <mebaran> the nv and SI drivers
[07:52] <mebaran> are in the kernel
[07:52] <calamari> decklin: yeah.. it says to type "make deb".. but that fails in the same way as "make"
[07:52] <mebaran> promise may have managed to put in directly in the bios code
[07:52] <mebaran> so that when you made a hdd call
[07:52] <decklin> tezza: mount -o 'uid=1234,gid=56789' ...
[07:53] <Drizzt321> mebaran: the odd part is, I think I noticed that, at least under windows, the response with disk access was actually a whole lot less...which I thought was odd
[07:53] <Drizzt321> mebaran: but this explains alot
[07:53] <tweek888> mpq is the synaptic packedge manager close to the effect as " sudo apt-get"?
[07:53] <mebaran> it would call the bios
[07:53] <mebaran> which would call the driver
[07:53] <mebaran> probably hard to do
[07:53] <farruinn> tweek888: yeah, synaptic and apt are both frontends to dpkg
[07:53] <mebaran> but it would then be universally platform able
[07:54] <mpq> yeah
[07:54] <mebaran> Drizzt321, if you really want raid
[07:54] <Drizzt321> mebaran: heh, yea, but why would anyone want to do that
[07:54] <mebaran> just use kernel raid
[07:54] <decklin> calamari: are you sure you should be calling make directly? building modules packages generally involves going through debian/rules.
[07:54] <mpq> I think it's the same thing
[07:54] <mebaran> it does the same job
[07:54] <mpq> I just prefer using terminal
[07:54] <mebaran> mostly as fast
[07:54] <mebaran> and over partitions
[07:54] <mebaran> anybody got any ideas on my sound problems
[07:54] <tweek888> k
[07:54] <mebaran> in alsa
[07:54] <Drizzt321> mebaran: I'm just thinking, since it 'feels' slower in windows(which _may_ stay my primary gaming platform), I might just switch back to non-raid
[07:55] <tezza> decklin: how do i find out the uid/gid?
[07:55] <crimsun> mebaran: sound stuff is lost in the scroll, it's easier if you join #alsa
[07:55] <Drizzt321> mebaran: since when I'm doing multiple access read/write to the disks, it just slows everything else down
[07:55] <marco> i already did that
[07:55] <mebaran> cool
[07:55] <mebaran> did not know that
[07:55] <mebaran> thanks
[07:55] <marco> but the terminal says than the package isnt available
[07:55] <decklin> id(1), or look in /etc/passwd.
[07:56] <marco> but also says that there's another package that references xmms
[07:56] <calamari> decklin: that's what the instructions say to do.. they don't mention Debian anywhere.
[07:56] <calamari> decklin: actually, the package wit hte sources doesn't even have docs at all, except a changelog
[07:56] <calamari> terr the debian package with the sources
[07:57] <calamari> man I can't type straight right now.. sorry
[07:58] <decklin> did you untar /usr/src/shfs-whatever.tar.gz?
[07:58] <decklin> you may need to look in modules/shfs/debian there.
[07:59] <tezza> decklin: i did that but within the mounted dir now it says 1001 1001
[07:59] <tezza> even though i set uid and gid to 1000
[07:59] <decklin> tezza: no idea. sorry.
[08:00] <NuuB> where the heck is httpd?? nothing seems to fit the standard paths in the apache docs (example: the docs say "apachectl" but the system has "apache2ctl") how the hell is a novice supposed to get anywhere when stuff on the system is not the same as in the docs?? i installed ubuntu because i read it was geared more towards novices, but this is becomming infuriating. please, please, will someone help me??
[08:01] <calamari> decklin: /usr/src/modules/shfs/debian has these files: changelog, compat, control, control.modules.in, copyright, rules, shfs-module-_KVERS_.postinst.modules.in
[08:01] <farruinn> perhaps you haven't installed it?
[08:01] <calamari> decklin: thanks a lot for your help, btw :)
[08:01] <ryan_> what package is distutils in ?
[08:01] <ryan_> .core
[08:01] <decklin> NuuB: in ubuntu, every service is controlled via /etc/init.d/nameofservice. for example, /etc/init.d/apache2 start to start apache.
[08:02] <marcm> hey there
[08:02] <marcm>  anyone wanna buy an almost brand new A64 3200+nForce 3 mobo (1 week old)?
[08:02] <ryan_> $5
[08:02] <DAC1138> ill buy it if there's a 100% rebate
[08:02] <marcm> cool
[08:02] <Dull404> im getting an error when trying to compile.... i cant understand whats wrong....
[08:02] <Dull404> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:02] <Dull404> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:03] <decklin> calamari: no idea. standard procedure is (from /usr/src/modules/shfs-whatever) fakeroot debian/rules binary
[08:03] <calamari> decklin: so I type simply "fakeroot"
[08:04] <crimsun> Dull404: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:04] <decklin> fakeroot debian/rules binary
[08:04] <decklin> again, i really have no idea, that's just the *usual* way
[08:04] <decklin> keep looking for docs.
[08:05] <calamari> oic.. thanks..
[08:05] <Jimbob> NuuB: You can start/stop apache with /etc/init.d/apache2 {start,stop,restart,reload,force-reload}
[08:05] <calamari> if I type rules without being fakeroot it seems to do something!
[08:05] <Jimbob> NuuB: The executable itself is /usr/sbin/apache2, IIRC
[08:05] <decklin> calamari: yes, it will fail eventually though. fakeroot *is* necessary.
[08:06] <Jimbob> NuuB: There's never been an httpd on debian systems as far as I know (certainly not in my usage)
[08:06] <Dull404> crimsun: thanks, i hope this will work.. otherwise i dont know whats wrong....
[08:07] <calamari> decklin: aha.. got it.  what do I do after running debian/rules ?
[08:07] <decklin> if it successfully created ../shfs-*.deb, dpkg -i it
[08:07] <fsc> ok, hoary migration complete after only about an hour or so of downloading and reverting back to ndiswrapper-1.10
[08:07] <fsc> well, except for xorg
[08:07] <tweek_> hello o.0
[08:08] <marcm> night all
[08:08] <stuNNed> night
[08:08] <tweek_> when i try ./configure it tells me to downgrade/upgrade,... i dont know how
[08:09] <fsc> lunitik, so it wasn't too bad except for the ndiswrapper problem.  i guess you have to do something else to upgrade to xorg
[08:09] <decklin> tweek_: when you ./configure what? give us the exact error please.
[08:09] <tweek_> want me pm you the error its big
[08:09] <calamari> decklin: this is the output of debian/rules: I've been configured using: - Kernel source of /usr/src/linux - Kernel version of <IP_ADDRESS> - Kernel revision of unknown - C compiler of gcc - Make options of - Version is 0.35-1 - Cosmetic version is 0.35-1 - Maintainer is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- Package name is shfs-module-<IP_ADDRESS> - Target directory is /usr/src/modules/shfs/..
[08:09] <decklin> tweek_: #flood
[08:09] <Dull404> crimsun :: thank u! it worked!
[08:09] <tweek_> k
[08:10] <decklin> calamari: looks fine so far
[08:10] <calamari> decklin: Idon't see any deb files tho
[08:10] <NuuB> decklin & Jimbob: "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" did nothing - i did "less /etc/init.d/apache2" and it said that it basically runs apache2ctl - but /usr/sbin/apache2ctl points httpd to /usr/sbin/apache2 which is not there
[08:11] <decklin> calamari: paste the rest of it in #flood
[08:11] <xskoulax> little off topic but, which would be better 2x512mb ram or a single 1gb stick? for an amd64 system i'm planning to build?
[08:11] <Jimbob> NuuB: Do a "ps ax | grep apache", and see if it's actually running.
[08:11] <calamari> decklin: that was the complete output :)
[08:12] <fsc> xskoulax, definitely 1 gig stick.  i have a gig now and if i want another i have to buy two gig sticks now
[08:12] <NuuB> Jimbob: nothing
[08:12] <fsc> xskoulax, but that's just on my laptop, so your mileage may vary since i only have two slots i believe
[08:12] <Jimbob> NuuB: The other thing to ensure is that you've got these packages installed: apache2-common, apache2-mpm-prefork, and apache2-utils installed
[08:12] <xskoulax> i should have 4 slots
[08:13] <fsc> xskoulax, you probably do
[08:13] <daniels> 33
[08:13] <fsc> xskoulax, of course if you ever want more than 2 gig then you might have a problem if you go with the 2x512
[08:13] <xskoulax> yea i'd thought of that
[08:13] <NuuB> Jimbob: i recall installing apache2-common, not sure about the other 2 - is there a way to check?
[08:13] <xskoulax> but i don't see me needing more than 2gb
[08:14] <fsc> heh, it's amd64...you never know :)
[08:14] <xskoulax> and if i go i can always replace 2x512 with 2x2gb to wind up with 3gb
[08:14] <Jimbob> NuuB: "apt-get install apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils"
[08:14] <xskoulax> umm 2x1gb even
[08:14] <Jimbob> NuuB: Or "apt-cache showpkg <pkgname>"
[08:14] <Archon> does 'df' display the swap partition
[08:14] <xskoulax> yea i think i'll go with the 512mb sticks at least then i should be good on pairings
[08:15] <stuNNed> anyone else have their internet connect slow to a crawl with ubuntu hoary?
[08:15] <crimsun> works fine here.
[08:15] <decklin> calamari: do you have module-assistant installed?
[08:15] <Jimbob> NuuB: At the the top of the apt-cache output there should be a version number followed by a "(some_long_uri_like_filename)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)"
[08:15] <decklin> i notice the shfs .deb mentions that.
[08:15] <stuNNed> crimsun: thanks
[08:15] <Jimbob> NuuB: If the "(/var/lib/dpkg/status)" part isn't there, then it isn't installed
[08:16] <calamari> decklin: checking... yes
[08:16] <Jimbob> Alternatively, you could just open the "Package Manager", click the "search" button in the toobar, enter "apache2" --> anything with a green box next to it is installed.
[08:16] <linusthepenguin> Anyone know how to enable php4? I got the packages installed... any configuration I have to do in apache2.conf or otherwise?
[08:16] <Dull404> mark for removal & complete removal.... in synaptic, whats the difference?
[08:17] <crimsun> Dull404: remove versus --purge remove
[08:17] <decklin> Dull404: the latter purges your configuration files.
[08:17] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: mod_php or php-cgi?
[08:18] <Dull404> crimsun ah so config will be left with removal and not "complete removal"
[08:18] <Dull404> decklin thanks
[08:20] <calamari> decklin: module-assistant was able to do it! :)
[08:20] <calamari> decklin: very cool program... thanks for mentioning it
[08:20] <decklin> great
[08:21] <linux-rulz> Is there anyone else here that compiled XFCE 4.2 on Ubuntu?
[08:21] <crimsun> linux-rulz: yes.
[08:21] <Orcrist> I have
[08:21] <linux-rulz> crimsun: did you notice that if you put the optimization settings on (i used the graphical installer) that XFCE was very unstable
[08:21] <linux-rulz> ?
[08:22] <crimsun> linux-rulz: no, I've been cleaning up the debianized source
[08:22] <linusthepenguin> Jimbob, general php... I suspect mod_php... Trying to run wordpress...
[08:22] <Orcrist> mine didn't seem unstable, and I used optimizations for both the main package and the add-ons one
[08:22] <linux-rulz> hmmm...weird
[08:22] <Orcrist> I've got it installed on the box next to me in fact... using it for a project I'm working on
[08:23] <linux-rulz> parts of my desktop wouldnt load, a bunch of other crap was broken, so I created a new user, same thing happened, so i compiled it without optimizations and it seemed to work better
[08:23] <fsc> jdub, thanks for the heads up on evince.  it seems to render better than gpdf...it better since i just upgraded to Hoary for it :)
[08:23] <NuuB> Jimbob: ok, apache2-common is installed, apache2-mpm-prefork nothing came up under versions, and it was unable to locate apache2-utils
[08:23] <Orcrist> what parts/problems did you have?
[08:23] <Orcrist> did you install the GTK engine as well or just the basic package?
[08:23] <fsc> anybody notice that About Ubuntu in the Desktop menu doesn't work
[08:24] <mindphasr> fsc: Works fine for me
[08:24] <fsc> mindphasr, About Gnome works for me
[08:24] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: I installed the packages in the order in which they said to. First the main XFCE package, then the gtk engine package, then xfce-toys and then the terminal emulator....all compiled from source
[08:24] <mindphasr> fsc: Its a link, it opens up your default browser
[08:25] <Orcrist> speaking of pdf reading... I downloaded some pdf tax forms with gpdf... and while the forms were designed to let you fill them out locally and print them... gpdf seems to lack this function
[08:25] <Orcrist> worked fine on a windows box using adobe reader
[08:25] <Jimbob> NuuB: Ok, run "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork" to install that (that package provides the actual apache2 executable).
[08:25] <Orcrist> do you have to enable that or is it just a caveat of gpdf?
[08:25] <fsc> mindphasr, why wouldn't it do what About Gnome does? it doesn't open a browser
[08:25] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: you have to download acrobat reader for Linux from Adobe's website
[08:25] <mindphasr> fsc: Go ahead and write a about window if you like
[08:25] <fsc> Orcrist, I just installed Hoary just so I could use evince
[08:25] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, right:  you must have used the tutorial for ubuntu
[08:25] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: To ensure you're using mod_php, you need to install libapache2-mod-php4
[08:25] <mindphasr> fsc: It does open a browser. It's a link to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html\
[08:25] <mindphasr> fsc: It does open a browser. It's a link to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[08:26] <fsc> mindphasr, ok, you're right
[08:26] <fsc> mindphasr, my bad.  i thought it would do what About Gnome does
[08:26] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: It should put "php4.conf" and "php4.load" symlinks in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[08:26] <Orcrist> fsc, does evince let you do that kind of thing? it really made me mad that I had to print them and then fill them in by hand, when the whole reason I d/l the pdf was to have clean forms that were typed in
[08:26] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: no, i just went to xfce.org, clicked on graphical installers and it sent me to another site and then it said there what order to do them in
[08:26] <fsc> hah, i didn't even see it open
[08:26] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: Then it's just a matter of restarting apache2.
[08:27] <fsc> Orcrist,  the evince guys seem to be on the ball as gpdf development stagnated so you might want to give it a try.  it's like 500k download if you're on Hoary
[08:27] <Orcrist> well, linux-rulz, if you did it that way there shouldn't be a whole lot of difference... the ubuntu tutorial basically tells you the same thing as the xfce one does but it's a little more intuitive
[08:27] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: For php-cgi, you need to ensure cgi.load/conf symlinks exist in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled.
[08:27] <Orcrist> fsc, not on hoary yet... just going to wait until april to upgrade
[08:27] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: I'd recommend mod_php, personally.
[08:27] <Orcrist> but when I go there I'll give it a look
[08:27] <Orcrist> sounds nice
[08:27] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: It's faster than php-cgi.
[08:28] <linux-rulz> hmmmm....oh well, i was more curious than anything, XFCE seems to be running fine without the optimizations, and i obviously dont notice a speed difference because i have never used it with the optimizations.
[08:29] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, on decent hardware you probably won't notice anything... I used a p2 350 box for xfce and it made a significant difference
[08:29] <Orcrist> if you've got a fairly modern system, you're probably just fine without the tweaks
[08:29] <linux-rulz> AMD Athlon XP 2200+ with 512 MB RAM, so it is fairly good, albeit a bit dated
[08:29] <Orcrist> I like xfce though... nice and clean... very light
[08:30] <Orcrist> the interfaces are less than intuitive for some things... but I've yet to find an interface from windows to gnome to kde to fluxbox to whatever that has everything down pat... interfaces are a matter of personal preference
[08:31] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: exactly, i like the way it autohides the taskbars...it just seems cleaner than the windows, kde and gnome ways of doing it. There probably isnt much difference. probably just my imagination
[08:31] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, you can also use cool things like gdesklets on xfce... it's compliant
[08:32] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist: you can use gdesklets also on gnome ;-)
[08:32] <Orcrist> so you can get a little eye candy and a slick environment and still save the overhead
[08:32] <Orcrist> aye FLeiXiuS, and I do
[08:32] <Orcrist> I was just happy to find they played nicely with xfce as well :)
[08:32] <linux-rulz> is that what they mean when they say it complies witht he freedesktop.org specs?
[08:33] <Orcrist> because the box I run it on (mostly as a backup box for when I'm in full-screen game mode and want chat/teamspeak/wahtever) only has 128 megs of RAM
[08:33] <Orcrist> with xfce running and mozilla, xchat, and teamspeak running the total commit for memory was around 70 megs
[08:33] <Orcrist> and used next to zero swap
[08:33] <linux-rulz> Ubuntu should offer a trimmed down version of Ubuntu with XFCE called "Ubuntu Lite" or something like that for people with slower computers
[08:34] <NuuB> Jimbob: it came back with "Package apache2-mpm-prefork is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[08:34] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, you may see ubuntu offer something like that in the future... they try to focus on ergonomics and user-friendliness
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> Have you seen the slackware install /
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> I love the install for slackware, one of the bests out there
[08:34] <Orcrist> I wouldn't be suprised to see an installer with options for one of 3 or 4 window managers as default in the future.. but right now they're focusing all their support on gnome
[08:35] <jdub> Orcrist: that won't happen
[08:35] <jdub> however
[08:35] <FLeiXiuS> Not only was it nice, but it alowed you to select between 7-8 window managers
[08:35] <jdub> kubuntu is coming
[08:35] <Orcrist> oh really, jdub?
[08:35] <Orcrist> that's very cool
[08:35] <jdub> FLeiXiuS: that certainly won't be happening in ubuntu
[08:35] <Orcrist> I figured you guys were getting around to adding other things
[08:35] <farruinn> haha, which is the polar opposite of xfce ;-)
[08:36] <jdub> i think xfce sits between gnome and kde
[08:36] <linux-rulz> i dont understand why they focus so heavily on kde. most distros are already centered around kde, the ubuntu devs should instead release the XFCE Ubuntu or some other lightweight WM/DE.
[08:36] <jdub> it's light, sure, but there's a heck of a lot of clicky-clicky stuff on the screen
[08:36] <FLeiXiuS> i think flux sits between them 2
[08:36] <Orcrist> I'd be inclined to agree to that, jdub, esp considering their "kde/gnome support engines"
[08:37] <membreya> gaaaah
[08:37] <Jimbob> Nuub: You're using warty?
[08:37] <daniels> FLeiXiuS: allowing you to choose between window managers is fantastic, and we should certainly encourage it.  *making* you choose between window managers is a showstopper bug, not a feature.
[08:37] <jdub> linux-rulz: 'the ubuntu devs should...'? what are you going to do?
[08:37] <membreya> can I do ONE install without something screwing up
[08:37] <NuuB> Jimbob: yes, warty
[08:38] <FLeiXiuS> daniels: I concur
[08:38] <Orcrist> you have a point daniels, but I think as an 'expert-only' option or something you get the flexibility withotu forcing the user to choose if they want a simple, intuitive install
[08:38] <farruinn> you're going to fit multiple window managers on one install cd? good luck
[08:38] <linux-rulz> lol, donate money...cause i couldnt code if my life depended on it. all my code would be rewritten cause i would do it shitty (lol, at least im honest)
[08:38] <Jimbob> Nuub: Umm, it's in the "main" repo, it should be available.
[08:38] <FLeiXiuS> farruinn: It's definately possibly
[08:39] <Orcrist> of course, you could go the windows route and have the user choose between crappy XP interface number one or... oh wow, crappy XP interface number one
[08:39] <Jimbob> NuuB: Search for a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that looks something like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main..."
[08:39] <membreya> anyone had any trouble installing nvidia-glx?
[08:40] <membreya> getting a clash with  xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:40] <linux-rulz> jdub: by should i also meant "In my opinion it would be smarter to do such and such" not "this is what i demand of them right now!"
[08:40] <NuuB> Jimbob: if things were going that smoothly for me, i may not have had to resort to asking for help on IRC, ya know?
[08:40] <jdub> linux-rulz: mmm, but what are you going to do? :)
[08:40] <ubuntu_> how can i get KDE? sudo apt-get install kde says that kde does not exist
[08:41] <Orcrist> membreya, everything okay in your xorg config?
[08:41] <NuuB> Jimbob: searching...
[08:41] <linux-rulz> jdub: ummm...did you read my post further up? I said in plain english how i was going to contribute...you must have missed it
[08:41] <membreya> looks to be orcist..its still using the nv driver
[08:41] <jdub> ubuntu_: enable universe
[08:41] <membreya> its conflicting at libGL.so.1.xlibmesa
[08:42] <membreya> was just about to suggest repos jdub :P
[08:42] <randabis> you should sudo apt-get install kde-core not just kde
[08:42] <Orcrist> membreya, post your error messages in #flood... I had a similar problem when I switched cards last time
[08:42] <randabis> unless you want 50 billion lines of bloat
[08:43] <linux-rulz> jdub: hmmm...apparently with free software i no longer have the right to make a suggestion...those pro-proprietary people were right, open source steals your rights in unseen ways
[08:43] <membreya> done Orcrist :)
[08:43] <linux-rulz> :P
[08:43] <Orcrist> coo
[08:44] <NuuB> Jimbob: it is commented - i will uncomment it
[08:44] <membreya> any suggestions Orcrist ?
[08:44] <Jimbob> Nuub: Ok, after you do that run "apt-get update", then "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork"
[08:44] <mebaran> I have an Alsa problem
[08:45] <NuuB> Jimbob: k
[08:45] <jdub> linux-rulz: better than suggestion, you can *contribute*
[08:46] <jdub> linux-rulz: that's hundreds of times more powerful
[08:46] <Orcrist> well... this isn't quite like the problem I had... but you could try renaming the fglrx mesa lib to fglrx.libmesa.foo.old or whatever
[08:46] <maximaus> good morning from Sweden. :D
[08:46] <Orcrist> and see if that clears it up
[08:46] <membreya> thought so ..didn't want to hurt my system AGAIN
[08:46] <mebaran> Anyone know how to clear the alsa mixer lock file and settings
[08:46] <membreya> god ...like 2 hours ago I overwrote my /etc/modules :|
[08:46] <ubuntu_> thanks jdub
[08:47] <ubuntu_> now to remove gnome...
[08:47] <Orcrist> the restricted modules don't like to play together very nicely... I had the reverse of your problem.. i had to hide some of my nvidia stuff to keep fglrx from finding conflicts
[08:47] <maximaus> I'm running the Ubuntu live CD in the Eggers Hotel lobby and no one's the wiser.
[08:47] <IRCMonkey_> Can anyone help me in setting up the sound card? ac '97 on via  vt 8235
[08:47] <linux-rulz> jesus bloody christ, i said in plain friggin english, me donating money would be a lot friggin easier and more resourceful then actually contributing cause i cant code worth shit....would me donating my house and car make you happy?
[08:47] <mebaran> Anybody want to help troubleshoot a weird alsa mixer problem
[08:47] <Orcrist> in fact, something was loading my nvidia modules before it ever got to fglrx... and that was zero fun
[08:48] <jdub> linux-rulz: no, donating is less effective. you know that i don't code, right? :-)
[08:49] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, contributing can be something as small as accurately documenting a bug when you find it and submitting it to a respective package/distro's bugzilla
[08:49] <daniels> linux-rulz: language, please
[08:49] <Orcrist> that kind of thing is invaluable
[08:49] <Orcrist> and doesn't take much effort even
[08:49] <maximaus> IRCMonkey_, I'm also having sound card issues with my cousin's computer. Away from it at the moment--what's a quick way to find out what model the sound card is?
[08:49] <mebaran> what module does it use
[08:49] <mebaran> maximaus
[08:49] <linux-rulz> well i do all that....i never said i didnt
[08:50] <membreya> going to go to a console....i cant get red of that error message
[08:50] <maximaus> mebaran, excuse me I'm at the hotel at the moment
[08:50] <Orcrist> then you're already contributing a little... so feel good about that
[08:50] <mebaran> oh
[08:50] <Orcrist> and send your donations to me instead :) i'm poor
[08:50] <maximaus> LOL so I'll log in late on his box. :P
[08:50] <mebaran> heheh
[08:50] <maximaus> running Ubuntu on the Hotel's puter :D
[08:50] <mebaran> to find out quickly you have to sort of be sneaky about it
[08:50] <mebaran> you could open the computer
[08:50] <maximaus> tell me more
[08:50] <mebaran> or
[08:50] <mebaran> you could just look at the gnome device manager
[08:51] <maximaus> I'm such a knucklehead--where do you find it in the device manager?
[08:51] <Orcrist> maxiamaus... you could also shell into the computer and type lspci or lsmod to find out the info/module on it
[08:53] <maximaus> Orcrist, thanks! It's probably an on-board, so I guess lspci wouldn't help. I'll try lsmod and report back with ya'll.
[08:54] <dud> or lshw just to be sure to catch it no matter what
[08:54] <Orcrist> lspci might still do it maximaus, as many on-board soundboards are still integrated into the pci bus
[08:54] <mebaran> on board sound
[08:54] <daniels> Orcrist: er, you do know ubuntu has a 'custom' option (now named 'server' for hoary) that allows you to totally customise your install in terms of which packages you use, right?
[08:54] <maximaus> gotcha :D
[08:54] <mebaran> is 99/100 oing to be AC 97 sound
[08:54] <mebaran> if it is not some exotic mother board
[08:54] <mebaran> it is going to be ac 97 sound
[08:55] <mebaran> or at least ac 97 sound will work
[08:55] <Orcrist> daniels, yes.. I've installed it that way recently in fact... gave me a really tiny base install that I used to build a custom setup
[08:55] <dud> yeah... absolutely...
[08:55] <maximaus> I'm on vacatin and don't have my little cheat sheet with me for shell commands. :P Thanks all.
[08:55] <mebaran> anyone know what could be wrong with my set up
[08:55] <mebaran> I have an emu10k1 card
[08:55] <mebaran> Audigy 2
[08:55] <mebaran> the mixer looks fine
[08:55] <tweek_> :)
[08:55] <tweek_> i learned howto compile
[08:55] <daniels> Orcrist: ahr, cool
[08:56] <daniels> Orcrist: well, if that's what you enjoy, then more power to you, but i don't want to have to pick up the phone and explain to my mum what a window manager is when she's installing ubuntu :)
[08:56] <IRCMonkey_> Help me please!!!! i want to configure my sound card. ac '97 oni vt 8235
[08:56] <tweek_> should work by default
[08:56] <tweek_> i beleive
[08:57] <dud> one exlamation point will suffice....
[08:57] <daniels> IRCMonkey_: should just work by default -- mine (also vt8235) certainly did
[08:57] <tweek_> and one period.
[08:57] <Orcrist> lol not suggesting that :)  I was suggesting that the default install could do just waht the default install does now... but another 'custom' option would allow you to select something like fce-only.. without having apt-get the stuff
[08:57] <tweek_> ;P
[08:57] <IRCMonkey_> mine is not working....
[08:57] <dud> touch
[08:57] <tweek_> lol
[08:57] <Orcrist> the warty custom option gave me a base system... but unless you know what you're doing from there you're kind of stuck in a few ways
[08:57] <tweek_> if warty was a women =\
[08:57] <tweek_> watch out
[08:57] <daniels> Orcrist: mmm, interesting, but if you know enough to be picking which window manager you want to install and that you absolutely don't want to install gnome, you probably know how to install from a base system
[08:58] <ubuntu_> how do I get rid of all traces of gnome?
[08:58] <tweek_> why :(
[08:58] <maximaus> use Xandros...
[08:58] <tweek_> killing gnomes isnt nice
[08:58] <Orcrist> good point... but some people have the knowledge and still don't want the hassle... however... to your point that also kind of negates the need for such a thing on an installer
[08:59] <ubuntu_> would deleting gnome affect my system as a whole
[08:59] <ubuntu_> or just gnome?
[08:59] <tweek_> yay! i compiled MPlayer!
[08:59] <tweek_> :)
[08:59] <mebaran> tweek
[08:59] <mebaran> you could have just pulled it off the repos
[08:59] <tweek_> it wasnt working
[09:00] <Orcrist> gmplayer doesn't work for me either from repos
[09:00] <Orcrist> I had to compile from source
[09:00] <Orcrist> and there doesn't seme to be a decent GTK frontend for it anywhere
[09:00] <Orcrist> Kplayer is super... but I dislike qt to the point of it giving me a headache
[09:00] <jdub> ubuntu_: wait for kubuntu CDs
[09:01] <tweek_> orc: gtk = gui?
[09:01] <daniels> pitti: good afternoon
[09:01] <Orcrist> tweek_, no... gtk is a gui framework... not a standalone gui
[09:01] <tweek_> k
[09:01] <pitti> Hi daniels
[09:02] <Orcrist> it's what controls the look, feel, and functionality of all your buttons/scrollbars/file menus/ whatever... you use all that to build a gui for a program
[09:02] <pitti> daniels: although it is Sunday morning here :-)
[09:02] <mebaran> hmmm
[09:02] <daniels> pitti: heh, close enough ;)
[09:02] <Orcrist> if a program runs from the command line and has no gui... you can create one from the gtk toolkit (which is what gnome is based on) and it's very nice and integrated
[09:03] <Orcrist> however, there doesn't seem to be a good gtk one for mplayer
[09:03] <Orcrist> inculding the one that comes with gmplayer
[09:03] <maximaus> Orcrist, I thought gmplayer was pretty nice last time I tried it--mind you that was a year ago on Fedora--what's the problem with the gui?
[09:04] <Orcrist> maximaus, really it's the options and the old generic flavor of it
[09:04] <Orcrist> the playlist support is really bad
[09:05] <Orcrist> and the the interface isn't slick like the rest of my GTK2 gnome desktop... it kind of reminds me of win95
[09:05] <oficina> moyogo: are you still around?
[09:05] <oficina> moyogo: or have you gone to sleep?
[09:05] <Orcrist> I think they focus more on the guts of it... and they do a damn fine job... esp with parts of it like mencoder
[09:06] <Orcrist> It'd be nice to see an open-source project just to beautify/functionize mplayer... and I may start one on my own (already talked to some friends about it) and for simplicity I'm learning how to use Glade2
[09:07] <Orcrist> all the effort in taht regard seems to be towards KDE
[09:08] <oficina> moyogo: ?
[09:08] <scorpix> when the next beta will release for Ubunut?
[09:08] <jdub> scorpix: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[09:08] <scorpix> jdub: th.x
[09:09] <mebaran> anybody here know how to troubleshoot an ALSA problem
[09:09] <Orcrist> man I need to get to bed... got to go do some taxes tomorrow
[09:09] <Orcrist> night all
[09:09] <mebaran> I checked the modules
[09:10] <oficina> Is there anybody with the approximate knowledge of moyogo or his hubris?
[09:11] <maximaus> Ocrist, yeah you're right about gmplayer not being slick--still beats stock mplayer. I'm satisfied with Totem for my modest needs.
[09:14] <h8crime> hello?
[09:14] <maximaus> lo
[09:14] <h8crime> sup
[09:15] <oficina> hello
[09:15] <h8crime> hey
[09:15] <h8crime> is this teh Free BSD channel?
[09:15] <mebaran> h8crime
[09:15] <h8crime> yes
[09:15] <h8crime> ?
[09:15] <mebaran> is ubuntu the same as FreeBSD
[09:16] <mebaran> just out of curiousity
[09:16] <h8crime> lol
[09:16] <h8crime> im just kidding
[09:16] <mebaran> I do not doubt your literacy
[09:16] <h8crime> im using hoary atm
[09:16] <mike_douglas> :p
[09:16] <mebaran> anybody want to fix my alsa
 is a n00b
[09:16] <h8crime> mike_douglas uses freeBSD
[09:16] <mebaran> I am willing to give you ssh access
[09:16] <mebaran> and root password for a minute
[09:17] <h8crime> whats alsa?
[09:18] <mebaran> Alsa makes soudn
[09:18] <deepsight> i think i fked my kernel
[09:18] <h8crime> sudo apt-get pr0n -i
[09:19] <h8crime> ok
[09:19] <h8crime> port 22 is open
[09:19] <deepsight> exit
[09:19] <deepsight> quir
[09:19] <deepsight> quit
[09:19] <h8crime> lmao
[09:19] <h8crime> n00b
[09:20] <mebaran> anybody want to fix some ALSA
[09:21] <h8crime> i am willing
[09:21] <mebaran> haha
[09:21] <mebaran> you didnt even know what alsa was
[09:21] <h8crime> i do now
[09:22] <h8crime> Alsa makes soudn
[09:22] <mebaran> sound
 Alsa makes soudn
[09:23] <mebaran> yeah
[09:23] <mebaran> I know
[09:29] <Mr_Smiley> Hi
[09:30] <Mr_Smiley> I'm having trouble with my cd drive it seems its not even being detected, there is no /dev/hdc
[09:30] <Mr_Smiley> does anyone know what I can do to get it working? :)
[09:33] <mebaran> hmmm
[09:33] <mebaran> that is a hard one
[09:33] <mebaran> is the module ide-cd loaded
[09:33] <Mr_Smiley> i'll take a look
[09:34] <oficina> .
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> i don't think it was..
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> i'd have to reboot for it to create the device wouldn't i?
[09:34] <mebaran> or go back to init one
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> but i'd also have to make sure ide-cd is loaded
[09:34] <mebaran> easier to reboot
[09:34] <mebaran> as udev is run fairly early
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> how do i do that
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:34] <mebaran> jsut reboot
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> but shouldn't i make sure ide-cd gets loaded first?
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[09:36] <Mr_Smiley> i just want /dev/hdc! :)
[09:36] <Mr_Smiley> stupid thing
[09:37] <mebaran> nah
[09:37] <mebaran> the order wont matter
[09:37] <mebaran> udev is constantly one
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> well ide-cd was already loaded..
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> well
[09:38] <grahamoz> ney
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> any ideas?
[09:38] <grahamoz> hey
[09:38] <grahamoz> is wireless network supported in ubuntu
[09:39] <Mr_Smiley> sure is i'm using it right now :)
[09:39] <Mr_Smiley> but it might depend on the network card you have
[09:39] <grahamoz> usb adapter
[09:39] <mebaran> what do you have in /dev
[09:39] <grahamoz> wg111
[09:39] <Mr_Smiley> you want everything?
[09:39] <grahamoz> what ?
[09:40] <Mr_Smiley> mebaran: in /dev it looks normal except it doesn't have hdc or hdd :)
[09:40] <mebaran> how many hdd's do you have
[09:40] <mebaran> do you hae anything called sda
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> i just have one sata hdd
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> yeah its sda
[09:41] <mebaran> then what is taking up the other spots
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> my hdd is sda and my cdrom drives should be hdc and hdd
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> but there is no hdc or hdd.. :/
[09:43] <mpq> what will play .m4a files?
[09:45] <mebaran> mpq
[09:45] <mebaran> if it aint windows
[09:45] <mebaran> mplayer will play it
[09:45] <mebaran> if it is
[09:45] <mebaran> it still might
[09:45] <mebaran> mplayer
[09:45] <mebaran> does everythign
[09:45] <mebaran> udner the sun
[09:45] <mpq> heh
[09:45] <Mr_Smiley> well dmesg | grep hdc shows nothing.. :/
[09:46] <mebaran> what does your dmesg say
[09:46] <pepsi> Mr_Smiley, warty or hoary?
[09:46] <Mr_Smiley> warty
[09:47] <Mr_Smiley> it just seems that its not creating the node hdc
[09:47] <pepsi> i had this problem after upgrading to hoary.. dmesg could tell me the make and model of my cdrom, but /dev/hdc wasnt there.. hal-device-manager saw something on the ide chain, but couldnt tell what it was
[09:47] <mebaran> heheh
[09:47] <mebaran> what does your bios report
[09:47] <pepsi> i gave up and reinstalled with the latest hoary iso
[09:47] <mebaran> sounds like a weird problem
[09:47] <mebaran> add sg
[09:47] <Mr_Smiley> yeah bios sees cdrom fine
[09:48] <mebaran> try adding sg
[09:48] <mebaran> to your modules
[09:48] <mebaran> that is genereally scsi emulation
[09:48] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[09:48] <mebaran> modprobe sg
[09:49] <mebaran> first
[09:49] <mebaran> just to see
[09:49] <mebaran> if it helps
[09:49] <mebaran> my alsa is going similarly
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> well i've got nearly everything working except no cd drive :)
[09:52] <mpq> does mplayer support mp3pro?
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> brb i'll try reboot
[09:53] <mebaran> mp3pro will paly
[09:54] <mebaran> I dont knwo if it takes adavantage
[09:54] <mpq> I just know that it sounds HORRIBLE without the codec
[09:55] <mebaran> well mplayer reads it
[09:55] <mebaran> xmms reads it
[09:55] <mebaran> from live365
[09:55] <mebaran> and sounds ok
[09:55] <mebaran> the 64 K streams
[09:55] <mpq> I guess...
[09:55] <mebaran> the low k ones sound pretty bad
[09:56] <mpq> I know
[09:56] <mpq> the one I'm talking about is 32k
[09:56] <mpq> and it sounds absolutely awful in anything other than winamp
[09:56] <mpq> mp3pro is stupid
[09:57] <mebaran> mp3pro is a hack
[09:57] <mebaran> a silly stupid
[09:57] <mebaran> hack
[09:58] <mpq> but it's not like I have a choice
[09:58] <mpq> they don't broadcast in any other format
[09:58] <mebaran> haha
[09:58] <mebaran> yeah
[09:58] <mebaran> I guess
[09:58] <mebaran> xmms
[09:58] <mebaran> did ok
[09:58] <mebaran> with
[09:58] <mebaran> with it
[09:58] <mpq> they have 32k mp3pro so they can brag about "cd-quality sound on dial-up"
[09:59] <mebaran> haha
[09:59] <mpq> as long as you're running winamp
[09:59] <mebaran> as if
[09:59] <mebaran> not even then
[09:59] <mebaran> with ogg
[09:59] <mebaran> which is better than mp3pro
[09:59] <mebaran> and free
[09:59] <mebaran> you arent going to pull that out of 32 K
[09:59] <mpq> a monkey is better than mp3pro
[09:59] <mebaran> you need at least 128 K
[09:59] <mebaran> to get anywhere near
[09:59] <mpq> and I'm not talking about .ape
[09:59] <mebaran> if you own some good speakers
[10:00] <mebaran> haha
[10:00] <mpq> who's idea was it to make a lousy format lousier?
[10:00] <mpq> *whose
[10:00] <viper12> I think 96k sounds pretty decent...listening to a streaming station right now with xine at 96k. (5.1 surround sound)............sounds pretty decent to me. ;)
[10:00] <mebaran> 96 K
[10:01] <mebaran> is pretty good
[10:01] <viper12> lol... hey there meb
[10:01] <mpq> mono or stereo?
[10:01] <pepsi> (_)_)
[10:01] <mebaran> ok
[10:01] <mebaran> anybody wwant to kix my alsa
[10:01] <viper12> stereo mpq
[10:01] <mebaran> hi Viper12
[10:02] <mpq> you must not be much of an audiophile
[10:02] <mpq> I can hear problems with 128k mp3
[10:02] <mpq> which is why I stopped encoding in mp3
[10:02] <viper12> mpq.........when I want audiophile.........I take disc out in the living room with 7.1 surround system.  I'm just saying that 96k is decent for casual listening. (unlike 32k.  snicker.)
[10:02] <Mr_Smiley> that worked..
[10:03] <mebaran> 96 K
[10:03] <mebaran> is damn good
[10:03] <mebaran> lame considers 128 K to be equal to CD
[10:03] <mpq> that's lame
[10:03] <mebaran> haha a pun
[10:03] <viper12> lol
[10:03] <mpq> it was asking for it
[10:03] <mebaran> mpq you are so ....  punful
[10:03] <viper12> groans......but lol
[10:04] <mpq> it wasn't great
[10:04] <mpq> you want good puns, you should read spider robinson
[10:04] <viper12> felt like an utter noob earlier.........was pissin' and moaning about performance issues with graphics............forgot I'd loaded 386 kernel to test some stuff....gads.
[10:07] <excession> hi
[10:08] <viper12> hola excess
[10:12] <viper12> got awful quiet again.
[10:30] <Neil3> morning all
[10:30] <MobyTurbo> morning
[10:31] <Neil3> :)
[10:31] <NuuB> i am doing some apt-get installs, and each time i try to visit a website it cant find the site, then once the download and install is complete i can get to the website fine. is there a way to still surf the web while an apt-get is running?
[10:32] <apokryphos> It's just choking up all your connection, I presume. No real way to limit the download limit of apt, as far as I know.
[10:32] <Neil3> apt-get is probably taking up your bandwidth
[10:33] <Neil3> i use traffic shaping on my router which does get around this pretty well
[10:33] <NuuB> yeah, that much i figured on - i was hoping there might be a way to leave at least a small hole so i can keep surfing in the meantime
[10:34] <NuuB> no router
[10:34] <Neil3> i'm not sure but you might be able to use a traffic shaping script on your machine
[10:34] <NuuB> just ubuntu and a 56k serial modem
[10:34] <Neil3> since my router runs linux
[10:35] <Neil3> its called wondershaper
[10:35] <Neil3> and you'd have to edit it for your connection speed and stuff
[10:35] <viper12> quick question.....surfin the ubuntu site......it seems everyone is using the sb brand sound cards.......anyone have the turtle beach products?  curious.
[10:35] <daniels> if anyone here is using a desktop with an integrated video chipset and also a pci/agp video card, please /msg me
[10:35] <Neil3> daniels, you should ask your question in the channel :)
[10:35] <NuuB> i'll do a search for it
[10:35] <NuuB> thanks
[10:36] <Neil3> np
[10:36] <tuppa_> gah
[10:36] <tuppa_> why oh why is fakeroot not doing what it suppose to do?
[10:36] <daniels> Neil3: need the output of lspci, lspci -nX, sudo ddcprobe, some probing as to which card the output of ddcprobe relates to, and some other stuff that I'm not sure about yet :)
[10:36] <viper12> I'm using an IBM e-server with integrated vid (turned off) and a nvidia fx5200 agp card.
[10:36] <Neil3> quite a lot of stuffage
[10:37] <daniels> Neil3: i'm aware of the staggering lameness of 'any1 know how configga x /msg me plz', but this is a little more complex, and will help with ubuntu development ;)
[10:37] <Tsjoklat> because you didn't ask it nicely tuppa? :P
[10:38] <tuppa> Tsjoklat: that's one possible solution
[10:38] <Neil3> its not lame at all mate
[10:39] <Neil3> from what i see of this channel, people are more friendly than some of the other places
[10:39] <Neil3> and the forum is really cool
[10:39] <Neil3> i dont see much flaming
[10:39] <Neil3> and bad attitude
[10:39] <Neil3> unlike some other places i could mention ;)
[10:40] <daniels> Neil3: the code of conduct does wonders, it seems
[10:40] <Neil3> aye
[10:40] <NuuB> Neil3: which version of wondershaper do you use? (1.0 or 1.1a)?
[10:40] <Neil3> i dont know haha it is included with ipcop
[10:40] <Neil3> i would guess its the latest
[10:40] <viper12> havta agree with you there neil3...an article online I was reading mentioned that ubuntu had some of the best online 'peeps'......and recommended the distro over a couple other becuase of it.
[10:41] <Neil3> but NuuB you can't go wrong with trying either as they are only scripts, just use another if the first doesnt work
[10:41] <Neil3> yeah i read that too
[10:41] <tha_gamemaster> does anyone know the module i have to load for a via-gigabit ethernet driver? It's a soyo dragon kt880 i believe the nic is VT6122
[10:41] <NuuB> Neil3: k, thanks
[10:49] <viper12> game master......not sure how much help this is.....here's the page with current wired network card support:
[10:49] <viper12> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards/view?searchterm=gigabit
[10:49] <viper12> I don't show it listed, but hey, was a quick search.
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> thanks alot Viper12 ^_^
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> I'll check it ou
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> out*
[10:52] <viper12> I see that the via 6102 Rhine chipset is supported natively. (warty).
[10:53] <viper12> this page shows systems that are supported by ubuntu.....with various hardware chipsets and such listed:
[10:53] <viper12> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops/view?searchterm=gigabit
[10:54] <viper12> toward the bottom, an hp machine is running the via setup with that Rhine nic.
[10:55] <tha_gamemaster> cool, thanks Viper12, It turned out to be the via-veolcity driver, I'm using that in 2.6.8 and it's working, thanks SO much for your help ^_^
[10:55] <viper12> notta problem.........its what we're all here for. :)
[10:56] <tha_gamemaster> hehe, well don't go too far away, sound is next on mylist ;)
[10:57] <viper12> gawds.........seems like its on a lotta peeps lists.  lol.  I'm using sb live and alsa drivers.............no issues.  I'm thinking about building a box with a santa cruz card though....not seeing anything one way or another on that one.
[10:57] <TheMuso> viper12: I think a lot of the problems people have are with onboar dsound.
[10:58] <TheMuso> s/onboar/onboard
[10:58] <viper12> which is WHY its the first thing I kill in bios before even starting a build.  lol.  onboard usually means (excluding nics)..........twwwoouuubbblllee.
[10:59] <tha_gamemaster> yea I never had problems with alsa and sb live/audigy cards, only alsa and ac97/intel based onboard sound
[10:59] <TheMuso> A lot of shortcuts are taken when integrating onboard sound from what I can gather.
[11:00] <tha_gamemaster> brb
[11:00] <viper12> ac97 is squirrly at best. Sometimes it works with no hassle........others it blows up badly.........from reading the forums it makes no sense.
[11:01] <viper12> of course ac97 chipsets are all over the place.......almost like flavor of the month.
[11:07] <Zotnix> Blargh.
[11:08] <Tsjoklat> nobody to eliminate Zotnix?
[11:09] <Zotnix> Tried updating to blam-1.6.1 manually.
[11:09] <Zotnix> No work. So back to 1.4 for me
[11:09] <Tsjoklat> oh dear
[11:11] <Zotnix> Weird errors and not even google found anything.
[11:11] <Zotnix> So I'll use the blam package.
[11:11] <Zotnix> wait...
[11:11] <Zotnix> Ubuntu uses 1.6 now
[11:11] <Zotnix> Yay
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> why build it then
[11:15] <Zotnix> I thought hoary used 1.4 (which it did, for awhile) which uses a bad rendering engine that hangs on images. In 1.6 they switched to gtkmozembed which proved to be much faster.
[11:16] <Tsjoklat> should have checked first
[11:16] <Zotnix> So I was going to switch to 1.6 manually since I referred it.
[11:16] <Zotnix> I had checked a bit ago. Didn't realize it was updated now.
[11:17] <Tsjoklat> it updates every minute!
[11:18] <cyklus> im having problems with xmms
[11:19] <cyklus> it starts fine but when i try to play an mp3 it freezes
[11:19] <cyklus> however mpg123 can play an mp3 fine... anyone know what might be up?
[11:19] <Tsjoklat> it's somewhere on the wiki cyklus
[11:20] <hrdesalpes> please the QUOTAUSER="" in /etc/adduser.conf the number is a Mo number ?
[11:20] <cyklus> Tsjoklat: ok ill take a look thanks
[11:21] <Tsjoklat> cyklus, and perhaps you might want to check the forums or the guide (see topic)
[11:21] <binks> hlo peeps
[11:21] <binks> how do i chane the permissions of a dir to allow rw
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> sudo chmod 755
[11:22] <binks> trying to copy some t maps but dnt have permission o
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> oops
[11:23] <binks> et maps sorry to /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/etmain
[11:23] <binks> so i would sudo chmod 755 dirpath
[11:23] <viper12> cyklus......here's one of the best places to look for setting up the multimedia stuff:
[11:23] <viper12> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[11:24] <cyklus> Tsjoklat: i got it working thanks
[11:24] <cyklus> viper12: thanks!
[11:24] <Tsjoklat> cyklus, great :)
[11:24] <viper12> that thread has more good info in one place that most others. (not just xmms either).
[11:24] <viper12> and np cyk
[11:26] <viper12> astas.
[11:32] <skydoll> lu
[11:32] <skydoll> bonjour  tous
[11:38] <Adrenal> i just installed samba
[11:38] <Adrenal> how do i mount a folder so my windows machine can see and copy it through a lan?
[11:42] <desplesda> hi, i just upgraded to the latest hoary, and /dev/dsp's disappeared
[11:42] <desplesda> wait
[11:42] <desplesda> sorry, warty
[11:42] <desplesda> latest warty
[11:42] <Adrenal> press enter less
[11:43] <desplesda> apologies
[11:43] <ssamf> did the upgrade complete with no problems
[11:44] <desplesda> yes, there weren't any problems
[11:44] <ssamf> sometimes synaptic looks like its done when in fact it has had to stop
[11:44] <desplesda> hmm
[11:44] <desplesda> well, can i create the device node manually?
[11:44] <ssamf> i'd run it again just in case
[11:45] <desplesda> run which function?
[11:45] <desplesda> upgrade?
[11:45] <ssamf> run synaptic again
[11:45] <ssamf> yes
[11:45] <desplesda> i hit mark all upgrades, but apply didn't become accessible
[11:46] <ssamf> i think with udev you should not make your own device nodes
[11:46] <cyklus> what is the shortcut keys to jump between workspaces in gnome?
[11:46] <desplesda> i know
[11:46] <bob2> yup
[11:46] <lunitik> desplesda: probably means there are no upgrades...
[11:46] <desplesda> yeah
[11:46] <ssamf> cyklus ctrl alt left/right
[11:47] <NuuB> apt-get is stuck on an error --> "The following packages have unmet dependencies: samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 is to be installed ... E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." - i tried "apt-get -f install" but that failed to correct the problem. i am lost. can someone tell me how to resolve this?
[11:47] <cyklus> ssamf: thanks :)
[11:47] <ssamf> was anything you upgraded sound related?
[11:47] <desplesda> gstreamer
[11:48] <lunitik> NuuB: did you try what it says? "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:48] <lunitik> NuuB: bah... I should read...
[11:49] <ssamf> can you revert gstreamer to the earlier version?
[11:49] <NuuB> luniktik: yes i did - lol no prob
[11:49] <lunitik> yeah... not much you can do enless you want to pull down the samba-common package from hoary?
[11:49] <desplesda> how do i do that?
[11:49] <lunitik> desplesda: I'm confused... what is your problem?
[11:50] <desplesda> i just upgraded to the latest warty, and /dev/dsp has disappeared
[11:50] <lunitik> desplesda: uhh... is the sound module loaded?
[11:50] <senectus_> how do you format a partition?
[11:50] <lunitik> lsmod | snd
[11:51] <lunitik> lsmod | grep snd
[11:51] <lunitik> blah... tired
[11:51] <lunitik> senectus: try sudo cfdisk
[11:51] <lunitik> fairly simple interface...
[11:51] <desplesda> the sound module's loaded
[11:52] <NuuB> lunitik: can i just remove it? i have other installs more pressing to finish (apache and such) - i was getting non-stop samba complaints and tried installing samba fresh to shut them up but now it refuses to perform any other installs untill this samba error is resolved :-Z
[11:52] <lunitik> desplesda: hmm... there are no instances of /dev/dsp?  (ie /dev/dsp0)
[11:52] <desplesda> none
[11:52] <desplesda> i hit /dev/d <TAB><TAB> and it gives me /dev/dvd
[11:52] <senectus_> lunitik, great, thanks
[11:53] <desplesda> bah, i've gotta go
[11:53] <lunitik> NuuB: its safe, sure... It'll remove ubuntu-desktop though, so you may want to think about that when you come to upgrade to hoary...
[11:53] <desplesda> thanks anyway
[11:54] <NuuB> lunitik: crap. i dont want the whole blasted desktop removed
[11:54] <lunitik> NuuB: nah... just the meta-package 'ubuntu-desktop' will be removed...
[11:55] <lunitik> NuuB: It may cause issues when you upgrade to hoary though...
[11:55] <NuuB> lunitik: i'm a novice, you say desktop, i hear whole-damn-GUI
[11:56] <lunitik> NuuB: I tried to make that distinction but putting it in quotes  :P
[11:57] <ssamf> it is just a meta package
[11:57] <Tsjoklat> he just horribly failed :)
[11:57] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: no one asked you, shush  :P
[11:57] <ssamf> it contains nothing but depends on everything you need for a desktop
[11:57] <NuuB> lol, "meta package" may have meaning to you, none to me unfortunately
[11:58] <ssamf> if you install ubuntu-desktop it will get all the other packages
[11:58] <ssamf> but uninstalling it does nothing
[11:58] <MobyTurbo> NuuB, one of the reasons why this meta-package is useful is that it will make an upgrade to Hoary do things like automatically pull in xorg.
[11:59] <MobyTurbo> right, uninstalling it deletes nothing.
[11:59] <MobyTurbo> I often delete it when I switch from totem-gstreamer to totem-xine
[11:59] <ssamf> you can for example uninstall xchat, because it is depended on by ubuntu-desktop, unless you remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: well, no... thats the responsibility of 'x-window-system-core'  :P
[12:00] <NuuB> MobyTurbo: xorg is one more thing with no meaning (not asking you to explain, just setting the bar lower so it is closer to my present level of knowledge)
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, ah, another meta-package. :-)
[12:00] <lunitik> *nods*
[12:00] <ssamf> xorg is the replacement og xfree, which was the old graphics system
[12:01] <NuuB> ok, can i uninstall samba (with it uninstalling the desktop), and then reinstall the desktop meta package?
[12:02] <lunitik> NuuB: well... but it will reinstall samba-common when you do so...
[12:02] <MobyTurbo> NuuB, no, reinstalling the desktop meta package will automatically pull in Samba
[12:02] <ssamf> no, if you reinstall ubuntu-desktop, it will go "oh, you need samba for a complete desktop" and install it
[12:02] <NuuB> ssamf: ok, xorg eq newer xfree - that i get
[12:03] <ssamf> meta packages are good, because they let you install loads of stuff with one command
[12:04] <NuuB> i dont care right now if i have samba or not, i may care later, but right now i just want to finsh the installs i had been doing beforehand
[12:04] <ssamf> but if you dont need everything the want, then they are a bit of a pain
[12:04] <fiacca> ciao a tutti
[12:04] <Tsjoklat> bacamilli!
[12:04] <ssamf> so you install the meta package, then remove the meta package, and you have everything
[12:05] <ssamf> now you can remove stuff without restriction (well with less)
[12:06] <ssamf> but when it comes to upgrade to hoary, you will need to manually add ubuntu-desktop back, so that the new version will install new pieces of software
[12:06] <Cam-> ssamf?
[12:06] <ssamf> yes
[12:06] <Cam-> what was that about?
[12:07] <Cam-> sorry interested..
[12:08] <ssamf> about meta packages
[12:08] <ssamf> specifically the ubuntu-desktop one
[12:08] <NuuB> i just tried to do a remove and it is still frozen
[12:09] <lunitik> ssamf: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop  <-- everything listed there is what it depends on... its the devels way of making sure everyones systems are fairly complete etc...
[12:10] <Cam-> yep
[12:10] <Cam-> sorry you just mentioned manual add of ubuntu-desktop back. im doing a dist-upgrade at the moment
[12:10] <ssamf> or in synaptic right click on it and go to properties
[12:10] <Cam-> so i was curious as to what you meant
[12:10] <Cam-> ;-)
[12:10] <lunitik> ssamf: usually, meta-packages are used at a lower level in Debian... example: 'gnome' 'gnome-core' and 'gnome-environment', 'x-window-system' and 'x-window-system-core'... 'kde-core' and 'kde... etc
[12:11] <lunitik> Cam-: yeah... you want ubuntu-desktop around to make sure you are getting everything from hoary...
[12:11] <Cam-> yep
[12:11] <Cam-> ive done a clean install of warty, and dist-upgrading at the moment to hoary
[12:11] <NuuB> is it possible there is something going on like a file lock that needs removing so i can continue doing my installs with apt-get?
[12:12] <lunitik> Cam-: for instance... a bittorrent client is new to hoary... you wouldn't get that... update-monitor and update-notification are more examples of changes you might miss...
[12:12] <lunitik> NuuB: it would tell you if there is..
[12:12] <Cam-> yer my meta packages are intact
[12:12] <lunitik> NuuB: if there is, make sure nothing like synaptic or apt-get etc are running.
[12:13] <NuuB> lunitik: i have no idea how to do that
[12:13] <lunitik> NuuB: ps -e is what I usually use... or ps aux..
[12:13] <lunitik> ps aux is messy though imo
[12:14] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, on SysV ps does "-ef" and on BSD it's "aux". There are advantages of the -ef display.
[12:15] <Stormie`> anone here ?
[12:15] <topyli> lunitik: depends on what info you need. like process owners
[12:15] <Stormie`> anyone here ?
[12:15] <mebaran> could anyone help me with an Alsa Problem
[12:15] <mebaran> ??????
[12:15] <NuuB> lunitik: synaptic: no and apt-get: no
[12:15] <Stormie`> anyone know , where to get usb modem software ?
[12:15] <lunitik> topyli: I can see that with 'ps -e' .... ? are root... others are me... not useful when more people are logged in I guess  :/
[12:17] <Stormie`> anyone know , where to get usb modem(Aztech) software ?
[12:17] <topyli> hm
[12:18] <lunitik> mebaran: perhaps if you ask the question?
[12:18] <mebaran> oh
[12:18] <mebaran> sorry
[12:18] <mebaran> I was trying my own little tricks
[12:18] <mebaran> no dice
[12:18] <topyli> Stormie`: do you know if people actually have that modem working with linux?
[12:18] <mebaran> I check all my mixer settings
[12:18] <mebaran> and my modul;es
[12:18] <NuuB> what is the prefered copy and paste website here?
[12:18] <mebaran> but ALSA makes no sound no where
[12:19] <topyli> NuuB: pastebin.com i guess. but you can use #flood just as well
[12:19] <Stormie`> topyli : i dunno ... just wanna asking ..
[12:20] <lunitik> mebaran: are you in 'sound' group?
[12:20] <topyli> Stormie`: try googling for the modem model and linux
[12:21] <mebaran> I am in the audio group
[12:21] <mebaran> do I ahve to join the sound group
[12:21] <mebaran> the dsp and the mixer
[12:21] <lunitik> mebaran: yeah... thats what I meant  :)
[12:21] <mebaran> register themselves as part of the sound group
[12:21] <lunitik> did I mention I'm tired?
[12:21] <Stormie`> topyli : owh , ok .. but i can detect the modem .. i just needed a software or program to work it
[12:22] <NuuB> ok, this is what i keep getting (minus the php tags the site inserted) http://pastebin.com/241330
[12:22] <lunitik> heh... tried 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' ?
[12:22] <Neil3> mebaran, try this in the terminal
[12:22] <lunitik> should sound like static
[12:22] <Neil3> killall esd
[12:22] <Hwolf> My rhytmbox suddenly can't find all my music. All the artists are still there tho.
[12:22] <Neil3> then try a program that uses alsa
[12:23] <topyli> Stormie`: if you're lucky you have all the drivers you need in the kernel. what you need to find out is which ones to load
[12:23] <mebaran> very very faint static
[12:23] <daniels> Keyb, screen on a remote host.  screen on a remote host, Keyb.
[12:23] <lunitik> Neil3: most apps in Ubuntu use esd... and you didn't even tell him to change media mechanism  :/
[12:23] <Neil3> esd sucks
[12:23] <Keyb> daniels: x doesn't work with screen, fix that, kthxbye
[12:23] <lunitik> Neil3: beats the heck out of raw alsa for most cards  :/
[12:23] <Neil3> yeah you have to run gstreamer-properties and set the stuff in there to alsa too
[12:24] <daniels> Keybuk: irssi(1)
[12:24] <Keybuk> daniels: irssi != x-chat
[12:24] <Neil3> it gave me latency issues with dvds and movies, the sound would lag behind the video by half a second or so
[12:24] <Stormie`> topyli : so any solution ... ?
[12:25] <mebaran> so any ideas
[12:25] <mebaran> ok dsp seems shot then
[12:26] <NuuB> btw, is cursing permitted in here? i'm holding back a salty sailor cause of this error
[12:26] <lunitik> NuuB: no fucking clue
[12:26] <topyli> Stormie`: search the web and you'll find out what modules people are using. or then you'll find it doesn't work for anyone. or you'll find workarounds and hacks to force it to work
[12:26] <Neil3> haha
[12:26] <NuuB> good
[12:26] <Neil3> NuuB, i think we have freedom of speech
[12:27] <topyli> yeah. "Longhorn!"
[12:27] <NuuB> maybe, but many irc channels are a far cry from a democracy
[12:27] <lunitik> NuuB: just don't get immature with it... else people will look down on it...
[12:27] <Stormie`> topyli : ubuntu has any hacks ?
[12:28] <lunitik> Stormie`: what do you mean 'hacks'?
[12:28] <topyli> Stormie`: just kernel modules. but some usb modems are windows only, so you have to convince the modem that's what you have :)
[12:28] <NuuB> lunitik: i just want to overcome this fucking error and get on with my life
[12:28] <Neil3> on a side note i've found gstreamer to work well using oss
[12:28] <lunitik> NuuB: just remove samba... then bring it back later...
[12:29] <Stormie`> topyli : owh ... ok, going to find out some hard problem going arround
[12:29] <NuuB> lunitik: i tried "sudo apt-get remove samba" and am STILL getting the error
[12:29] <Stormie`> lunitik : i don't mean anything ..
[12:30] <topyli> Stormie`: no, you may find something simple like "load modules foo, bar, and baz and it should work"
[12:31] <topyli> or you may find some really scary hacks, in which case you might as well enter the modem market
[12:31] <lunitik> NuuB: what did 'sudo apt-get -f install' say?
[12:32] <Stormie`> topyli : when i go to device manager, and i found my modem listed there
[12:32] <Stormie`> topyli : but i can't connect with tat
[12:32] <Stormie`> topyli : and my modem doesnt have any signal too
[12:33] <topyli> Stormie`: you need to load modules (drivers) for it. then you still need to setup networking to use it for the interface
[12:33] <Stormie`> topyli : just figuring tat , cd had a problem or anything , or i had did anything wrong
[12:33] <Stormie`> owh ok ..
[12:34] <Stormie`> topyli : so where to get the modules ( drivers
[12:34] <Stormie`> topyli : so where to get the modules ( drivers )
[12:34] <topyli> Stormie`: not difficult, when you know _which_ modules you need. this you need to find out by searching the web
[12:34] <NuuB> lunitik: it said this: http://pastebin.com/241336
[12:34] <Stormie`> topyli : i will be back later
[12:34] <Stormie`> going to eat
[12:36] <lunitik> NuuB: 'invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' seems to be the error... check that out... ls -l and see where its pointing...
[12:36] <narkceh> hello, how mutch disc space requires ubunto to install? i have only 2gb hard disk
[12:36] <lunitik> also... try /etc/init.d/samba stop
[12:36] <lunitik> narkceh: minimum 1.7 gigs
[12:36] <narkceh> thanks
[12:36] <narkceh> so it might work, lol?
[12:36] <lunitik> eh... not really minimum I guess... but yeah...
[12:37] <NuuB> lunitik: where what is pointing?
[12:37] <lunitik> NuuB: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[12:37] <NuuB> ah, symlink DOH (sorry)
[12:39] <NuuB> lunitik: "/etc/rc2.d/K09samba -> /samba"
[12:39] <abelli>  checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.
[12:39] <abelli>                    Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:39] <lunitik> NuuB: yeah... I think its supposed to go to /etc/init.d/samba ...
[12:39] <abelli> any idea?
[12:39] <NuuB> lunitik: whats supposed to go at the "..." ?
[12:39] <lunitik> abelli: xorg?
[12:40] <abelli> yeah
[12:40] <lunitik> NuuB: huh?
[12:40] <lunitik> abelli: yeah... you need compat libs... I forget which though  :/
[12:40] <lunitik> abelli: what are you compiling?
[12:41] <brain_> hi
[12:41] <lunitik> brain_: hi
[12:41] <brain_> is there a apt-get resu,e?
[12:41] <brain_> resume*
[12:41] <lunitik> brain_: no
[12:41] <lunitik> although it will automagically
[12:41] <brain_> lunitik, damn... im suffering in dialup
[12:42] <lunitik> it checks /var/cache/apt/archive/partial ...
[12:42] <brain_> i've been disconnected in 97%, so theres no possible way?
[12:42] <lunitik> brain_: I just said... it does it automatically.
[12:42] <brain_> lunitik, thanks!
[12:43] <brain_> so hows life here? i've been using ubuntu for 2days
[12:43] <lunitik> brain_: not bad... cool you chose Ubuntu though  :)
[12:43] <narkceh> i have only 2gb hard disk :(
[12:44] <narkceh> and im afraid that it wont work
[12:44] <brain_> lunitik, is the /var/cache/apt/archives is the deb packages downloaded by the apt-get ?
[12:44] <narkceh> im installing it all the time though and not had any problems yet
[12:44] <lunitik> brain_: yes
[12:45] <brain_> ok so i can use it for the other pc. alright thanks for the info lunitik
[12:45] <brain_> going for dinner.. brb.. thanks lunitik!
[12:45] <lunitik> brain_: may want to look into apt-proxy to do that.
[12:45] <brain_> ok, later dude. thanks going for dinner
[12:45] <NuuB> lunitik: what am i diong wrong here? "sudo ln -s /etc/rc2.d/K09samba /etc/init.d/samba"
[12:46] <narkceh> lunitik: so do you think that ubuntu wont work on 2gb hard disk?
[12:46] <lunitik> NuuB: source and destination is wrong way around... and the destination can't exist prior to command...
[12:47] <lunitik> (so remove it...)
[12:47] <acs> hello
[12:47] <lunitik> narkceh: you should be fine... although you won't have much room for other stuff...
[12:47] <narkceh> hehe
[12:48] <NuuB> lunitik: destination of /etc/init.d/samba cannot exist before hand?
[12:48] <lunitik> NuuB: no... K09samba can't exist
[12:49] <lunitik> NuuB: 'ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' after removing the latter...
[12:49] <NuuB> lunitik: it doesn't, i removed it already
[12:49] <narkceh> lunitik: so i will have like 1bit hard disk space left.
[12:50] <lunitik> narkceh: no... like 300 megs...
[12:50] <NuuB> lunitik: ok, that did it
[12:50] <narkceh> lunitik: yeah thanks :)
[12:50] <lunitik> NuuB: cool... now go see if apt stops bitching  :)   'sudo apt-get -f install' again
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> qustion: when i do ./configure
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> i have this error
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> what i can do?
[12:52] <lunitik> |ALLANON|: hoary? you need the correct compat libs.
[12:52] <bob2> install build-essential and xlibs-dev
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> ye hoary
[12:52] <bob2> what are you building?
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> kmuddy
[12:53] <lunitik> bob2: ooo... morning  :)
[12:53] <|ALLANON|> i try
[12:53] <|ALLANON|> thanks
[12:53] <lunitik> uhh... or afternoon?  heh
[12:53] <|ALLANON|> i'll try :p
[12:53] <bob2> lunitik: bedtime.
[12:53] <NuuB> lunitik: i'm on it, i did the sudo apt-get -f install and its now doing an install (FINALLY!!) thank you
[12:53] <lunitik> NuuB: yay  :)
[12:54] <lunitik> NuuB: funny how apt tells you how to fix what is wrong usually   :)
[12:54] <Tomcat_> In the future maybe it can do that itself :P
[12:55] <NuuB> lunitik: yeah, helps when you *understand* what its trying to tell you too ;-P
[12:55] <lunitik> Tomcat_: would be cool... prod mdz about it  :P
[12:56] <lunitik> Tomcat_: although that would definatly have to be able to be turned off... would get much complaints otherwise  :)
[12:56] <lunitik> NuuB: true enough  :)
[12:56] <NuuB> scaper?
[12:56] <lunitik> Tomcat_: mdz = person who wrote apt  ;)
[12:57] <Tsjoklat> or tried at least
[12:58] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: what you mean 'tried'? heh... I think he did a good job  :P
[12:58] <Tsjoklat> lunitik if you say so :)
[12:58] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: name something better for the same task... and I'll give you a cookie  :P
[12:58] <Tsjoklat> oh I don't know
[12:58] <Tsjoklat> I am just a dumb blonde
[12:59] <Tsjoklat> female even
[12:59] <Tsjoklat> what can you expect
[12:59] <Seveas> how true....
[12:59] <Seveas> :p
[12:59] <lunitik> hah... *shuts up before getting hit*
[12:59] <Tsjoklat> hush Seveas... we are still talking rubber here
[12:59] <Seveas> rofl
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Seveas just admits he likes women in latex
[01:00] <Seveas> big bad liar...
[01:00] <vixus> How do I exit the xserver?
[01:00] <Seveas> no latex ladies for me
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Seveas.. women are always right..
[01:00] <lunitik> vixus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:00] <vixus> CA-Backspace doesn't work.
[01:00] <vixus> thanks lunitik
[01:00] <Seveas> Tsjoklat, women THINK they are always right
[01:00] <vixus> then just /etc/init.d/gdm start, right?
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Seveas they ALWAYS are
[01:00] <lunitik> Latex + paddle = fun
[01:00] <lunitik> vixus: yup  :)
[01:01] <vixus> Be right back
[01:01] <|ALLANON|> excuse me
[01:02] <|ALLANON|> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:02] <|ALLANON|> what can i do?
[01:02] <Seveas> |ALLANON|, install QT?
[01:02] <lunitik> |ALLANON|: install the libs from universe?
[01:02] <topyli> stuNNed_: the wajig wiki page is practically done: i already have an empty text file on the desktop ;)
[01:03] <NuuB> omg vintage bob villa on a&e lmao
[01:03] <|ALLANON|> i 've installed libqt3c102-mnt
[01:03] <lunitik> |ALLANON|: you need -dev...
[01:04] <|ALLANON|> ok, thanks
[01:04] <cyklus> i downloaded an compiled mplayer.. when i try to run it, it says that /dev/dsp is busy.. anyone know what might be wrong?
[01:04] <xskoulax> http://www.big-boys.com/articles/dudelipsync.html
[01:04] <xskoulax> good for a laugh
[01:06] <vixus> hey.
[01:06] <LucaBrasi> I just installed hoary4 and when it loads it doesn go straight into gnome like warty did .. what's the deal with that?
[01:06] <boris__> bye
[01:06] <vixus> Unfortunately, I couldn't install the NVIDIA drivers. I need the soruce and everything
[01:06] <vixus> kernel-source that is
[01:06] <lunitik> cyklus: in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf... set 'ao =' to 'esd' ...
[01:07] <cyklus> lunitik: esd is not a sound option i check -ao help
[01:07] <cyklus> lunitik: could it be how i compiled it?>
[01:07] <lunitik> cyklus: working here   :/
[01:07] <cyklus> lunitik: you compile mplayer yourself?
[01:08] <LucaBrasi> anyone?
[01:08] <xskoulax> sorry
[01:08] <lunitik> cyklus: nope... installed from multiverse  :/
[01:08] <cyklus> lunitik: ic
[01:08] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: apt-get install xorg-common xserver-xorg
[01:09] <vixus> so..
[01:09] <vixus> ill do that later
[01:09] <vixus> can anyone help me get bluez working?
[01:09] <LucaBrasi> lunitik errrrr .. wtf .. isn't xserver etc installed by default with hoary?
[01:10] <lunitik> cyklus: but you typed 'mplayer -vo help' and its not listed?
[01:10] <lunitik> cyklus: but you typed 'mplayer -ao help' and its not listed?
[01:10] <lunitik> blah
[01:10] <lunitik> bet you it is  :/
[01:11] <LucaBrasi> yo can someone explain whats going on ..why's hoary not booting into gnome by default?
[01:11] <NuuB> lunitik: since i ran the "sudo apt-get remove samba" command, do i need to reinstall the desktop? (i am trying to complete the samba install right now)
[01:11] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: should be... but sometimes isn't....
[01:11] <lunitik> NuuB: don't worry about that until you are about to install hoary...
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> should be but sometimes isn't  ???? wtf
[01:12] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: its more a first course of action though... did you do it?
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> dude I have to reboot to 'try it'
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> so I dont wanna reboot unless that's really it
[01:12] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: uhh... no you don't  :/
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> um i'm dual booting, yes I do
[01:12] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: ctrl alt f1 and log in   :/
[01:13] <lunitik> blah... then get on it  :)
[01:13] <LucaBrasi> but why???
[01:13] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: because thats probably the issue?
[01:13] <LucaBrasi> why would I need to install this shit separately ..  I think I get in trouble again for answering though?
[01:14] <LucaBrasi> what a joke of a distro if you have to install x separately
[01:14] <NuuB> lunitik: hmm, ok well i've stripped and reinstalled this system several times, and expect i shall again (and gone through several *nixes)
[01:15] <topyli> LucaBrasi: indeed. which distro is that?
[01:15] <lunitik> topyli: he is having x issues from warty to hoary... told him to make sure xserver-xorg and xorg-common are installed... he freaked  :/
[01:16] <Tsjoklat> no happy customer
[01:16] <topyli> lunitik: oh. well, suse it is then
[01:16] <vixus> I'm trying to add DVD support, but libdvdcss2 (as listed on ubnutuguide) doesn't exist.
[01:16] <lunitik> topyli: pretty much my thoughts exactly...  :)
[01:17] <cyklus> vixus: add this to apt sources "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[01:17] <topyli> lunitik: no hoary there to lure newbies from the path
[01:17] <Tsjoklat> the path to darkness?
[01:18] <topyli> tha path to console :D
[01:18] <lunitik> topyli: there was an article about upgrading to hoary... I think thats the reason for a lot of these issues  :(
[01:18] <Tsjoklat> I am just trying to find the path in between menstrual pads here
[01:19] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: #1 reason I am happy to have a penis  :P
[01:19] <lunitik> well... maybe a close second? idk
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> dunno lunitik.. it tends to get in the ... way?
[01:20] <topyli> lunitik: doesn't save us from much :)
[01:20] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: nah... just train junior and its never an issue  :P
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> ah well.. not many trained juniors out there then :)
[01:21] <lunitik> guess not?  8)
[01:21] <vixus> cyklus: Installed! Any further configging I need to do?
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> we need to clone you lunitik
[01:21] <topyli> me and junior have been in training for years. we're pretty well tamed now
[01:21] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: no no... I'm already not unique enough  :(
[01:22] <cyklus> vixus: nope should work if you got a player, like mplayer or xine :P
[01:22] <lunitik> Every time I go out, I am told I remind someone of someone  :(
[01:22] <zzyber> im stuck. I get "could not initialize graphics system Make sure that your video card and driver are compatible with DirectDraw" when i try to run games from a windows emulator. I have xorg and ati fglrx driver
[01:23] <lunitik> zzyber: yeah... DirectDraw isn't implemented well in Wine...
[01:23] <NuuB> linitik & Tsjoklat: well there IS a song called "Detatchable Penis"
[01:23] <vixus> cyklus: Totem will do?
[01:23] <lunitik> zzyber: maybe try transgaming's cedega?
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> NuuB, sounds like something we need to get!
[01:23] <zzyber> lunitik, but i have tried cedega, crossover office and wine. Same on all
[01:23] <lunitik> NuuB: I'd lose him though... thats no good  :(
[01:23] <zzyber> lunitik, could it be my fglrx driver?
[01:24] <lunitik> zzyber: no idea... sorry
[01:24] <NuuB> lunitik, lol yeah, that happens to the guy in the song
[01:24] <lunitik> NuuB: that would just be scary  :(
[01:25] <NuuB> he finds it laying on a blanket being sold by a street vendor
[01:25] <cyklus> vixus: should
[01:25] <vixus> ok
[01:25] <NuuB> lunitik: maybe, but makes for a very funny song lol
[01:25] <vixus> cyklus: Got xine anyway
[01:25] <Tsjoklat> I love the rodeo song
[01:26] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: rodeo song? never heard of it
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> love it.. pretty blunt though
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> I doubt I can paste any of the lyrics in here :)
[01:27] <topyli> NuuB: that must be a primus song
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> it is not suitable for sensitive souls
[01:28] <vixus> cyklus: How do I update the app menu to show the new things I've installed (Xine etc)?
[01:28] <NuuB> topyli: no clue, trying to find it now (since i was reminded of it and mentioned it)
[01:28] <topyli> NuuB: i just found it and it's primus all right
[01:29] <topyli> it _could_ only possbly be primus or zappa really
[01:29] <NuuB> full mp3?
[01:30] <topyli> yeah, i've had it here for a good while
[01:31] <vixus> How do I update the app menu?
[01:31] <NuuB> topyli: if you say so, only people in the history of the world to pick up an instrument and blank song sheet who had a sense of humor ;-P
[01:32] <vixus> cyklus: "Totem doesn't have the necessary plugins."
[01:33] <Tsjoklat> lunitik, http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/gary_lee_and_the_showdown/the_rodeo_song.html
[01:33] <topyli> NuuB: don't forget modern talking! i'd say they must have some sense of humor. or irony at least :)
[01:33] <NuuB> too bad i opted for no sound board on this machine, i'll have to find i from my other sometime (my first search came up with squat)
[01:34] <topyli> vixus: not all apps put the icons there, you may have to add it yourself
[01:34] <vixus> ok, anyway, neither xine nor totem updated to accomodate libdvdcss2. Should I update?
[01:34] <vixus> *reboot
[01:34] <vixus> not update. XD
[01:35] <vixus> :|
[01:35] <topyli> vixus: see what you have in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[01:37] <vixus> Nothing at all.
[01:41] <snowblink> hi - can anyone see the new Star Wars trailer _with_ sound?
[01:42] <Hwolf> Is it me, or is gnome getting more sluggish by the minute?
[01:43] <vixus> topyli?
[01:44] <LM_ex> does it work?
[01:45] <El_Che> is there a way to edit the applications menu in hoary?
[01:51] <marcin_ant> hi I got a problem with dvd...
[01:51] <marcin_ant> could someone help me and tell how to use dvd device on /dev/hdb
[01:52] <marcin_ant> mounted as /dev/cdrom1
[01:52] <marcin_ant> how to use this device with mplayer?
[01:53] <marcin_ant> I have libdvdcss2 installed
[01:53] <NuuB> apt-get is saying: "0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 99 not upgraded." - is the 99 not upgraded suggesting that i take some action?
[01:53] <lunitik> NuuB: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:53] <lunitik> NuuB: going to hoary>
[01:53] <lunitik> ?*
[01:54] <topyli> El_Che: by right clicking the menu items themselves, or via nautilus (go to applications:/// )
[01:54] <lunitik> topyli: he said in hoary.
[01:54] <El_Che> topyli: works in warty like that, not in hoary
[01:54] <topyli> ah, sorry
[01:54] <NuuB> lunitik: no, dont want to go to hoary, want to stick with warty, as i understand it warty is still the release version
[01:55] <El_Che> probably temporarely disabled
[01:55] <topyli> or broken
[01:55] <lunitik> NuuB: yes... but thats a lot of packages that need to be upgraded... blah... dist-upgrade will fix issue
[01:55] <El_Che> topyli: some URIS work, applications: dont
[01:55] <lunitik> El_Che: nah... they are working on a different mechanism... but its taking a long time  :/
[01:56] <El_Che> ic
[01:56] <NuuB> lunitik: then the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is to perform an upgrade to hoary?
[01:56] <lunitik> NuuB: no...
[01:56] <ZolMed> has anyone managed to get CD printing working in Linux on a Canon i965, or any Canon printer for that matter?
[01:57] <lunitik> dist-upgrade just updates things that change something... ie different depends... different config layout etc...
[01:57] <lunitik> NuuB: same as Synaptic's 'smart' mechanism...
[01:57] <mz2> my cursor theme is all messed up after an update
[01:58] <lunitik> mz2: black now? white is coming back in a different package apparently...
[01:58] <mz2> oh i see
[01:58] <lunitik> another hoary user  :)
[01:59] <El_Che> mz2: try gcursor
[01:59] <El_Che> mz2: nice transparent cursor
[01:59] <NuuB> lunitik: again, "synaptic" is not familiar to me (remember, set the bar low for my present level of knowledge - the whole point of my getting ubuntu is to start learning this stuff)
[02:00] <mz2> i actually tried already
[02:00] <lunitik> NuuB: synaptic is the 'easy' way to use apt...
[02:00] <lunitik> NuuB: gui frontend... Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager
[02:00] <El_Che> mz2: you selected an other cursor there?
[02:00] <NuuB> lunitik: if you say so lol
[02:01] <mz2> should it be updated on this same login time?
[02:01] <mz2> or another?
[02:01] <El_Che> an other
[02:01] <El_Che> log out, log in
[02:01] <mz2> got it :)
[02:02] <NuuB> lunitik: ah, well in that case, i'll stick with the cli - i need the gui, but only as much as to let me be functional while learning to do stuff in the cli
[02:02] <Xappe> i downloaded a new cursor theme and changed the x-cursor to that one...now I have a nice cursor even in gdm
[02:03] <El_Che> Xappe: gcursor has the only true transparent (semi otherwise useless) cursor i have ever seen :)
[02:03] <Xappe> lunitic, well it's all about beauty
[02:03] <ogra> El_Che: you mean the whiteglass cursor ?
[02:04] <lunitik> ogra: hey ogra  :)
[02:04] <ogra> El_Che: that one comes with X (was there since X 4.2 but hidden) gcursor only makes it visible to you ;)
[02:04] <ogra> lunitik: hi
[02:05] <El_Che> ogra: I see
[02:05] <lunitik> Xappe: seriously though... I usually look at where I'm clicking, not the cursor itself... I guess thats just me though?
[02:05] <El_Che> ogra: idd whiteglass
[02:05] <lunitik> idd?
[02:05] <ogra> mz2: if you want your old cursor back, install the jimmac cursor theme in gcursor and select it :)
[02:05] <El_Che> lunitik: InDeeD
[02:06] <Xappe> i installed jimmac systemwide instead...
[02:06] <Xappe> feels better somehow
[02:07] <narkceh> how to change mouse settings?
[02:08] <lunitik> narkceh: Computer > Preferences > Mouse
[02:08] <El_Che> any idea when the full gnome translation will enter the hoary packages? Most are finished upstream while the ones in ubuntu are frankenstein :)
[02:08] <Xappe> lunitik, well that wrist watch IS ugly, and i usually play around with the cursor while watching progress bars... :)
[02:08] <narkceh> lunitik: but in console?
[02:09] <lunitik> narkceh: little more complicated... whats wrong?
[02:10] <narkceh> the mouse wont work
[02:10] <lunitik> narkceh: umm... you booted into Linux right now?
[02:10] <narkceh> and i dont know how to change it with keyboard
[02:11] <narkceh> yes im in the grafical thing
[02:11] <fsc> anybody familiar with python and would know why i would get a ./setup.py
[02:11] <fsc> from: can't read /var/mail/distutils.core
[02:11] <fsc>  i installed python2.4-setuptools
[02:11] <lunitik> alt f1 > go to start terminal
[02:11] <lunitik> narkceh: ^
[02:11] <lunitik> narkceh: usb or ps mouse?
[02:11] <narkceh> its a old ps mouse
[02:12] <mz2> it still isn't what it's supposed to be
[02:12] <lunitik> narkceh: ok... lsmod | grep psmouse for me
[02:12] <lunitik> is it there?
[02:12] <mz2> it's this black ugly thing. and not even the default X11 black ugly thing :)
[02:12] <narkceh> how to get root?
[02:12] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, sudo -s
[02:12] <narkceh> thnaks
[02:12] <lunitik> narkceh: shouldn't need it for that
[02:12] <ogra> narkceh: no nee for root
[02:13] <ogra> s/nee/need/
[02:13] <narkceh> okey, ill try lsmod
[02:13] <lunitik> ogra: sudo is still root... :/
[02:13] <ogra> nah
[02:13] <lunitik> root permissions aren't root?
[02:13] <ogra> lunitik: sudo is uid 0
[02:14] <lunitik> sudo -l even brings roots stuff over  :/
[02:14] <ogra> lunitik: sudo logs everything you do ... for example....
[02:14] <lunitik> ogra: so does regular root... in .history  :/
[02:14] <ogra> lunitik: sudo offers you fine grained access rights to administrative tasks....
[02:14] <deepsight> hmmm im compiling my kernel and i get a vfs: unable to mount root fs on ...  do you know what is probably missing in my configuration? my machine is a compaq armada m700...
[02:15] <El_Che> if you like the good old debian's root: sudo passwd root
[02:15] <ogra> deepsight: why do you recompile `
[02:15] <narkceh> damn this takes 1000h because my 200mhz comp is slow
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, you probably should really be using a different GUI than GNOME on a 200MHz computer.
[02:16] <deepsight> ogra, long story... trying to install vmware but it complained about the C headers so i downloaded them and then it told me that they were different from my current kernel, that i had to recompile
[02:16] <El_Che> narkceh: try xfce
[02:16] <deepsight> im just following Mr Vmware orders
[02:16] <vixus> Hello.
[02:16] <vixus> I want to network my Windows 98 PC to this Ubuntu box, for the sake of transferring my music.
[02:16] <vixus> Possible?
[02:16] <lunitik> vixus: yes
[02:17] <lunitik> vixus: look into samba
[02:17] <vixus> Ok.
[02:17] <vixus> By the way. The windows 98 pc is on the network wirelessly.
[02:17] <ogra> deepsight: there is a headers package for every ubuntu linux-image, you souldnt recompile the kernel just to get a vmware module
[02:17] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: yeah but how to change it?
[02:17] <vixus> Is that a problem lunitik?
[02:17] <lunitik> vixus: no
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, install it using aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic, then hopefully you can run it from gdm.
[02:18] <deepsight> ogra, i know i downloaded the correct one i think but it still complained... dont have the exact error now
[02:18] <vixus> lunitik: Is there a guide on setting up? It's just, I've sucked at setting up Samba.
[02:18] <narkceh> apt-get install xfce?
[02:18] <NuuB> lunitik: what will happen when i do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ? (i am wondering if it will initiate some massive d/l over my lil'56k serial modem)
[02:18] <deepsight> can't i just get the default .config from somewhere?
[02:18] <deepsight> and compile with that?
[02:18] <ogra> deepsight: then you didnt download the correct ones
[02:18] <lunitik> vixus: there are many... I can answer some questions... but I'm not gonna tell you how to do it... would take too long
[02:18] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: apt-get install xfce?
[02:18] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, sure. Though if xfce is still to slow, try fluxbox.
[02:18] <ogra> deepsight: do you use the linux-source package for your kernel to compile ?
[02:19] <deepsight> yes
[02:19] <lunitik> NuuB: yes... those 99 packages held back will be downloaded and installed
[02:19] <vixus> Ok. Well, I'm following the samba server setup guide on ubuntuguide.org
[02:19] <ogra> deepsight: then you can use the config that is stored in /boot
[02:19] <lunitik> narkceh: no... apt-get install xfce4
[02:19] <mz2> the default cursor theme in gcursor just looks like that error image ("!")
[02:19] <vixus> lunitik: apt-get install samba/smbfs... done!
[02:19] <lunitik> narkceh: else you get xfce, which was ugly...
[02:19] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: but i need to delete gnome because of my low hard disk space. so i need to delete gnome first?
[02:19] <mz2> so what package do i need to install to get it back?
[02:19] <narkceh> lunitik: ok xfce4 then
[02:20] <narkceh> how to remove gnome?
[02:20] <NuuB> lunitik: any way to know ahead of time how big a download it will entail?
[02:20] <ogra> deepsight: with other sources you will miss a lot of ubuntu specific patches.... dunno if the ubuntu .config works then
[02:20] <deepsight> so i have several config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 is the one that works right now
[02:20] <narkceh> apt-get remove gnome?
[02:20] <deepsight> ogra, so if im ok with this config i just recompile it with this one and it should work theoretically?
[02:21] <lunitik> xfce = ver. 3  .... the reason it stands for XForms Cool Environment ... XForms was an ugly toolkit though
[02:21] <ogra> deepsight: but there are a lot of people using vmware in ubuntu taht didnt recompile their kernel ;)
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> xfce uses gtk now
[02:21] <deepsight> ogra, damn those ppl
[02:21] <ogra> deepsight: if you give the right options to make-kpkg ....
[02:21] <vixus> lunitik: I think I've done the linux side of things, how do I do the Windows side?
[02:21] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: yes... but this is the reason there are still 2 packages... xfce = xforms ; xfce4 = gtk2
[02:22] <lunitik> vixus: just share stuff  :/
[02:22] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, OK
[02:22] <deepsight> ogra, i followed the Wiki tutorial in ubuntu webpage...
[02:22] <deepsight> ogra, but ill try again with the headers
[02:22] <vixus> lunitik: What do you mean just share stuff?
[02:22] <deepsight> let me give you the error
[02:22] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I actually like lyx's xforms version more than their Qt version, but I agree with you about xfce v3
[02:22] <lunitik> vixus: right click 'share'
[02:23] <vixus> On windows or linux?
[02:23] <vixus> I want to make [windows]  stuff available to [linux]
[02:23] <narkceh> lunitik: so i use: apt-get install xfce4?
[02:23] <vixus> yes narkcehg
[02:23] <lunitik> vixus: you asked how to configure the windows side... which do you think?
[02:23] <vixus> =D
[02:23] <vixus> Sorry.
[02:23] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[02:23] <vixus> OK...
[02:23] <narkceh> ok thanks both
[02:24] <cyklus> can anyone paste me their totem config... totem keeps crashing when i try to run it becuase it cant find alsa.. i need to set it to esd.. but i hae no config file yet
[02:24] <cyklus> ?
[02:24] <deepsight> There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the
[02:24] <deepsight> set of C header files you specified and your running kernel.  You may want to
[02:24] <deepsight> rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory.
[02:24] <narkceh> E: Cannot Find The pagage
[02:25] <vixus> lunitik: There is no option 'share'...
[02:25] <deepsight> Unable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel:
[02:25] <deepsight> insmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[02:25] <narkceh> how to install xfce4 if i cant install it because it wont find it?
[02:25] <lunitik> narkceh: you need to enable universe
[02:25] <narkceh> and how to do that?
[02:26] <lunitik> narkceh: uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <lunitik> ie get rid of the #
[02:27] <thesilverhand> narkceh: or read howto install xfce4.2 on ubuntu forums to get latest version instead
[02:27] <cyklus> anyone know how to get totem to work on hoary?
[02:27] <narkceh> all the #?
[02:27] <lunitik> vixus: uhh... there should be... like 4th down... only entry in second section of the menu  (after first seperator do-hicky)
[02:28] <thesilverhand> narkceh: just lines beginning with deb or deb-src that state universe
[02:28] <lunitik> narkceh: no... just the one with 'universe' in the line
[02:28] <lunitik> narkceh: what thesilverhand said... cept you don't want deb-src prolly
[02:28] <lunitik> just makes it take longer to update  :/
[02:28] <ogra> deepsight: your linux-image and linux-headers package have matching version numbers ?
[02:28] <thesilverhand> true
[02:29] <narkceh> lunitik: ok
[02:29] <netmonk> greetings, ogra :)
[02:29] <ogra> hey netmonk
[02:29] <deepsight> ogra, yes... i think i found a wiki about vmware
[02:29] <deepsight> ogra, i tell you if it works
[02:30] <MobyTurbo> actually for Ubuntu adding deb-src is a one-time slowdown, since universe isn't being updated.
[02:30] <ogra> deepsight: you could update the information in the ubuntu wiki ;)
[02:30] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: s/ubuntu/warty and I will agree
[02:31] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, well, I wouldn't reccomend that a newbie run hoary quite yet.
[02:31] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: true... but else its a false statement  :/
[02:31] <lunitik> even though I make enough of my own  :o
[02:32] <deepsight> ogra, it didnt work, maybe because i have a mess mixing all the kernels... so now ho i uninstall the other kernels.. bahh i just RTFM
[02:32] <MobyTurbo> OK, a one-time increase in time for warty.
[02:33] <ogra> deepsight: just uninstall the packages you dont need ;)
[02:33] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: plus it still 'Hit''s :/   (ie, checks that nothing changed)
[02:34] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, the hits are very fast. I'm on a 56K modem and they last a fraction of a second.
[02:35] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: blah... why even have them if you don't intend to compile anything in the archive?
[02:35] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: most don't even use it anyways... they go get the tar.gz etc...
[02:36] <deepsight> ogra, yei, uninstalling 2 kernels now
[02:36] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, because if something is broken you might be able to fix it.
[02:36] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: a nebie?
[02:36] <lunitik> newbie*
[02:36] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, sometimes a fix might be a one-line change that could be communicated even to a newbie.
[02:37] <lunitik> Most have no idea about it...
[02:37] <deepsight> ogra, is you nick for female ogre in spanish?
[02:37] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I never was of the opinion that one must dumb things down because of people who allegedly can't learn.
[02:38] <ogra> deepsight: nope, lol, its only an abbreviation of my name
[02:38] <deepsight> ogra, oh well it means that ;)
[02:38] <ogra> deepsight: Oliver Grawert ;)
[02:39] <deepsight> ogra, nice to meet you, Jose Garduno here
[02:39] <ogra> deepsight: hi :)
[02:39] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: eh... then uncomment when its needed?  (thats what I do) ... no point them being active... only actives I have are the main and resticted repos  :/
[02:39] <deepsight> ogra, so im going to reboot maybe some reboot magic helps
[02:39] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, your choice.
[02:39] <deepsight> the reboot fairy
[02:40] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: pretty logical too... why do I want everything coming down for an upgrade?
[02:40] <ogra> deepsight: kernel wise its not a fairy ;)
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I run Warty so that doesn't ever happen here.
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, if it did it would take 10 minutes.
[02:40] <narkceh> how to start xfc4?
[02:41] <narkceh> i installed it
[02:41] <deepsight> ogra, dont ruin my fantasies... i just learned that santa claus doesnt exists
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, log out, and select it from a menu in gdm.
[02:41] <ogra> lol
[02:41] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: blah... I never ran warty for more than a day after it was released   :/
[02:41] <deepsight> so i come
[02:41] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: ok, thanks
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, running hoary with a 56K modem is impractical...
[02:42] <bdale> lunitik: define 'involved'?
[02:43] <lunitik> bdale: working on... seperate from Debian  ;)
[02:43] <lunitik> ps... holy shit, you talked  :P
[02:43] <bdale> lunitik: not really.  I'm running warty on one of my amd64 systems at home, that's mostly it
[02:44] <lunitik> bdale: cool  :)
[02:46] <El_Che> lunitik: you a bdale groupie? :)
[02:47] <topyli> bdale: well, this is the place to get help on your ubuntu problems ;)
[02:47] <rem_> hey all ..
[02:47] <lunitik> El_Che: hah... nah... just know he was a Debian Project Leader...
[02:47] <El_Che> :)
[02:47] <rem_> I try to mount a usb mem stick ...but cant find any sd* in /dev ..how should this be done in ubuntu ?
[02:48] <narkceh> how did you say that how to change mouse settings?
[02:48] <topyli> wajig should be promoted essential methinks :)
[02:49] <lunitik> narkceh: lsmod | grep psmouse  <-- shows up?
[02:49] <bdale> topyli: what problems?
[02:49] <narkceh> so i write lsmod to console?
[02:49] <topyli> bdale: just kidding. since you have a ubuntu box...
[02:49] <lunitik> narkceh: 'lsmod | grep psmouse' yes
[02:49] <narkceh> oh, ok thanks
[02:49] <rem_> anyone knows how to mount a usb mem stick ?
[02:50] <lunitik> narkceh: yeah... but we're not done... did it show up?
[02:50] <netmonk> rem_, it should be automatic in Ubuntu
[02:50] <narkceh> lunitikit says psmouse 17800 0
[02:50] <narkceh> * lunitik
[02:50] <rem_> well...its not in mine ... :(
[02:50] <netmonk> rem_, are you on warty or hoary?
[02:50] <narkceh> when i write lsmod | grep psmouse
[02:51] <rem_> warty
[02:51] <lunitik> narkceh: ok... cat /dev/input/mouse0  <-- do that, move mouse... ctrl c to stop it...
[02:51] <netmonk> hm...
[02:51] <rem_> shouldnt there be a /dev/sda1 like in debian or even mdk/rh ..=
[02:51] <rem_> ?
[02:51] <MobyTurbo> rem_, I think it's created on the fly
[02:51] <lunitik> narkceh: 'reset' if you get goofy charactors after...
[02:51] <rem_> tahts right ..
[02:52] <rem_> but it didnt with ubuntu .. ?:(
[02:52] <netmonk> rem_, when I was on warty I opened my usb flash on /dev/sda1
[02:52] <lunitik> narkceh: type it, don't do it...
[02:52] <rem_> ok thx
[02:52] <narkceh> "cat /dev/input/mouse0"?
[02:52] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[02:52] <netmonk> rem_, but my wifes usb flash was always mounted on /dev/uba or something like this
[02:53] <rem_> didnt find any uba..or like it ..
[02:53] <lunitik> Then move the mouse... should get output on the screen... telling you it is actually working
[02:53] <narkceh> lut says that file doesnt exitst
[02:53] <netmonk> rem_, is hotplug working?
[02:53] <narkceh> lunitik: it says that there isnt that kind of file or directory
[02:54] <narkceh> need root?
[02:54] <rem_> oh ...i just remember something my usb scanner stopped working yesterday after a powershortage, although my pc stayed on (ups), and the scanner takes power from usb(?!) ..but that might be the reason...!
[02:54] <narkceh> nope it wont work on that way either
[02:54] <lunitik> narkceh: bah... for some reason, seems you need 'sudo cat /dev/input/mouse0'...
[02:54] <rem_> ..its prbably my usb not working properly ..
[02:54] <lunitik> narkceh: might get same error though  :/
[02:55] <lunitik> narkceh: in which case... I don't know how to get it back  :(
[02:55] <narkceh> yes i got the same error
[02:55] <netmonk> rem_, sorry
[02:55] <rem_> thx anyway :D
[02:55] <narkceh> so there isnt any autoconf thing like in debian setup?
[02:55] <lunitik> bdale: you're a genius... he needs to add a device for his mouse... /dev/input/mouse0 is gone... you know how off hand?  :)
[02:56] <narkceh> i think my mouse is in ps/2
[02:56] <lunitik> narkceh: hence pointing you at that file  :/
[02:56] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, then it should be /dev/psaux
[02:57] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: no... thats Linux 2.4  :/
[02:57] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I have it here, even with a USB mouse.
[02:57] <lunitik> eh... actually... both work here...  :/
[02:58] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, it's probably on my system because I have a PS/2 port for a mouse, albeit one that's unused.
[02:58] <narkceh> . /dev/psaux/mouse0?
[02:58] <lunitik> narkceh: no
[02:59] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, no, just /dev/psaux
[02:59] <lunitik> narkceh: 'sudo cat /dev/psaux'
[02:59] <narkceh> "cat /dev/psaux"?
[03:00] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: blah... just making sure its working elsewhere  :P
[03:00] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, j/k
[03:00] <narkceh> so it should work now?
[03:00] <lunitik> bdale: ahh... I get 'permission denied' here... even with sudo  :(
[03:01] <lunitik> narkceh: mm... we are seeing if it works... next is letting X know about it...
[03:01] <lunitik> narkceh: you got garble on the screen though?
[03:01] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, if your terminal gets messed up by the garbage, type "reset"
[03:02] <narkceh> i dint get anything when i wrote "cat /dev/psaux
[03:02] <Pointwood> /dev/hdc1 shouldn't that be root (hd1,0) in Grub? I have hda1 as (hd0,1)
[03:02] <lunitik> narkceh: did you move the mouse yet?
[03:02] <narkceh> nope?
[03:02] <lunitik> do it
[03:02] <narkceh> write reset?
[03:02] <lunitik> no
[03:02] <lunitik> move mouse
[03:02] <narkceh> it doesnt move anywhere
[03:03] <lunitik> do you get output on screen due to it though? (in the terminal)?
[03:03] <narkceh> when i write cat /dev/psaux it says nothing
[03:03] <narkceh> a row where is nothing
[03:03] <lunitik> narkceh: thats strange
[03:04] <narkceh> how to shut down gnome
[03:04] <lunitik> narkceh: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:05] <narkceh> then ill write cat /dev/psaux and startx
[03:05] <lunitik> narkceh: ok... should be no difference though
[03:06] <narkceh> or ill remove gde and use fxe4
[03:06] <lunitik> narkceh: would be faster to just hit ctrl+alt+f1
[03:06] <narkceh> ill remove gnome
[03:06] <narkceh> and use xfc4
[03:06] <lunitik> idgi
[03:06] <lunitik> narkceh: its not the GUI's fault... its X's.
[03:07] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, you might want to get your mouse working before you switch window managers, GNOME doesn't deal with the mouse - X does.
[03:07] <narkceh> lunitik: huh?
[03:07] <lunitik> well... I'm guessing its X's... definatly not GNOME's though
[03:07] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, Linux has multiple layers in it's graphical environment.
[03:07] <narkceh> i know but gnome is gay for my 200mhz machine
[03:07] <MobyTurbo> s/it's/its
[03:08] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, agreed
[03:08] <narkceh> yeah
[03:08] <linuxboy> if I right click on the clock in ubuntu. Then click on  Adjust Date & Time. Then click on Sync with clocks on the net, it says 'Please run NTP support in the system to enable synchronisation of your local time server with internet time servers'. What must I do to fix this?
[03:08] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, have you ever thought of running Debian Sarge instead for that machine? You say it's low on diskspace and aren't going to be using GNOME anyway so running a minimal distro might be the thing for you.
[03:08] <lunitik> linuxboy: apt-get install ntp
[03:09] <lunitik> linuxboy: or ntp-server
[03:09] <lunitik> I think that -server
[03:09] <lunitik> yes... 'apt-get install ntp-server'...
[03:10] <newbietoubuntu> I am new to Ubuntu Linux.  I can't get my mp3's or mpg's to play.  I have succesfully copied them across from my windows machines.  Totem and Music player both gives failed to open:reason unknown.  Anyone give me some advice?
[03:10] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: you could just have him use custom... same thing  :/
[03:10] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: cept this way... you don't have to tell him where to find files etc... he already has them
[03:10] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, true. But in that case he's reinstalling anyway.
[03:10] <bob2> newbietoubuntu: er, read the FAQ
[03:10] <bob2> newbietoubuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:14] <snowblink> newbietoubuntu: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[03:14] <newbietoubuntu> thanks all for your help
[03:15] <narkceh> lunitik: is "cat /dev/psaux" the command that i should use right?
[03:15] <lunitik> narkceh: sudo that yes
[03:16] <BGenesis> lunitik: Win 98 simply won't let me share, even after I checked Allow File Sharing in Control Panel > Network.
[03:17] <narkceh> lunitik: it doesnt work. ill just throw the computer out of the window and buy a comp where is usb mouse compatible
[03:17] <lunitik> BGenesis: bah... add 'FIle and Print services' in the same place...
[03:17] <BGenesis> lunitik: Already there.
[03:17] <lunitik> BGenesis: then you should call microsoft  :/
[03:18] <snowblink> lunitik: so edit the wiki ;)
[03:18] <lunitik> snowblink: I have... pleanty of times  :/
[03:18] <BGenesis> Damn, all I wanted to do was transfer my music :D
[03:18] <Golfer> good morning people
[03:19] <snowblink> lunitik: that's the answer to your question then
[03:19] <lunitik> BGenesis: Microsoft employs people to help you with that... I'm not at a Winblows box... going by memory there  :/
[03:19] <Psyk[o> Hi...
[03:19] <BGenesis> ok.
[03:19] <lunitik> snowblink: I just think whoever wrote ubuntuguide (you?) was silly
[03:19] <Golfer> Psyk[o hello
[03:20] <Psyk[o> I need a little help..
[03:20] <lunitik> Psyk[o: just tell us what is wrong... and we will try to assist you :)
[03:20] <Psyk[o> I'm trying from several days to install nvidia driver on my ubuntu :( today finally i've installed it, but when the X session start the system is sloooooow...
[03:20] <narkceh> lunitik: what kind of comp you have
[03:20] <Psyk[o> the mouse pointer dissapear... the window refreshing is slow... :(
[03:20] <lunitik> narkceh: a pos Duron 950
[03:20] <lunitik> 512 ram though
[03:21] <vixus> lunitik, back on linux.
[03:21] <snowblink> lunitik: no I didn't write it. However, I think numerous sources for how to do things is valid. There is always more than one way to do things.
[03:21] <narkceh> lunitik: do you have ps2 mouse?
[03:21] <lunitik> vixus: cool.. still can't help you more with the windows side though...
[03:21] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[03:21] <narkceh> lunitik: did you use "cat /dev/psaux"
[03:22] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[03:22] <MobyTurbo> Psyk[o, all you have to do is install nvidia-glx then "nvidia-glx-config enable".
[03:22] <lunitik> 'sudo cat /dev/psaux'
[03:22] <narkceh> and then it didnt say nothing
[03:22] <lunitik> narkceh: make sure you are using the sudo!!!
[03:22] <lunitik> narkceh: it says nothing... but spits out garble as you move the mouse
[03:22] <narkceh> i have written sudo 100034x times
[03:22] <narkceh> and mouse doesnt move
[03:23] <lunitik> narkceh: mouse won't move... text should appear on screen!!
[03:23] <lunitik> not really text... charactors
[03:23] <Psyk[o> MobyTurbo, I've tried, but I've received this output: Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[03:23] <Psyk[o> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[03:23] <Psyk[o> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[03:23] <Psyk[o> command:
[03:23] <Psyk[o> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[03:23] <Psyk[o> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[03:23] <Psyk[o> from nv to nvidia.
[03:23] <narkceh> lunitik: how to change mouse settings in gnome?
[03:23] <Psyk[o> then I edited /etc/x11/xorg.conf, i've changed nv to nvidia and i've commented Load "dri"
[03:23] <narkceh> lunitik: without terminal
[03:24] <lunitik> narkceh: you don't want to do it in gnome... gnome doesn't deal with that...
[03:24] <lunitik> narkceh: you have to use cli!
[03:24] <vixus> lunitik: Yeah, the linux side is fine, I can get into the Windows Network -> Our domain.  Won't the normal wine work? (I don't know much about this stuff.)
[03:28] <MobyTurbo> Psyk[o, you might want to look at the error logs of X then (in /var/log)
[03:28] <Psyk[o> MobyTurbo, ok, thx
[03:29] <Psyk[o> I'll back soon :)
[03:29] <Xappe> narkceh, check your XF86Config-4  (or xorg.conf if you use Hoary)
[03:30] <narkceh> i dont have nothing but /dev/input/event0 or event1 or mice
[03:30] <narkceh> how to chect XD86config-4?
[03:30] <lunitik> narkceh: cat /dev/input/mice
[03:30] <lunitik> see if that does it
[03:30] <lunitik> (spits garble out)
[03:30] <narkceh> nothing
[03:31] <narkceh> ill just trow the computer out of the window
[03:31] <zombics> vixus, i am using ubuntu 64BIT. if i can use the 32 BIT pac and it will work so i dont care....
[03:31] <lunitik> Xappe: if the device does "nothing"... then how will it help to configure X for the mouse?  :/
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, have you checked your mouse cable? Maybe its a hardware problem.
[03:32] <narkceh> i did check it
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, see if it's plugged in well
[03:32] <narkceh> its plugged
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, OK
[03:32] <Drizzt321> does warty use standard /dev devices, or udev?
[03:32] <Xappe> lunitik, ah ok...
[03:32] <lunitik> Drizzt321: udev
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, udev
[03:33] <Gul3> hi, i need a linux iso extractor. is there any?
[03:33] <Drizzt321> lunitik, MobyTurbo: thanks, I'll make sure to adjust my thinking, I'm used to standard dev.
[03:33] <lunitik> Gul3: you in Linux?
[03:33] <narkceh> lunitik: ill destroy my computer with hammer and axe
[03:33] <Gul3> lunitik: yes
[03:33] <narkceh> lunitik: and mouse too
[03:33] <Drizzt321> Gul3: loopback device driver. modprobe loop; man losetup and go from there, pretty simple
[03:34] <lunitik> Gul3: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /where/to/mount
[03:34] <segfault> -t iso9660
[03:34] <Gul3> thanks!
[03:34] <lunitik> segfault: that too  :)
[03:34] <Gul3> so it is that easy:)
[03:34] <lunitik> Gul3: yup  :)
[03:34] <Drizzt321> very
[03:35] <Drizzt321> Gul3: if you also need to make an iso, but not burn it directly to disc, look into mkisofs
[03:35] <Psyk[> MobyTurbo, would you take a look to my xorg.log file?:(
[03:35] <Drizzt321> Gul3: though most cd burning frontends will do that for you if you say to a file
[03:35] <Psyk[> I can't understand anything :(
[03:36] <Glen_> hi all
[03:36] <lunitik> Psyk[: paste it on pastebin.com
[03:36] <Drizzt321> hey Glen_
[03:36] <Glen_> im having a problem with grub, any onw willing to help?
[03:36] <Gul3> sudo mount -o loop tes3comp.iso -t iso9660 TEST/ leavs me this: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[03:36] <mz2> aargh, i still haven't gotten the same cursor back
[03:36] <Drizzt321> Glen_: I'll give it a shot
[03:36] <Glen_> hey Drizzt :)
[03:37] <Psyk[> lunitik, ok thx
[03:37] <mz2> am using the weird transparent whiteish one now
[03:37] <Glen_> D&D Fan :P
[03:37] <Drizzt321> Gul3: lsmod | grep loop
[03:37] <Drizzt321> Gul3:  does that give you anything back?
[03:37] <Drizzt321> Glen_: indeed
[03:37] <Psyk[> lunitik, here is the link http://www.pastebin.com/241382
[03:37] <Gul3> Drizzt321: no
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Gul3: grep loop /proc/filesystem, does that give you anything?
[03:38] <Glen_> Drizzt321 can you see my provate messge?
[03:38] <Xappe> mz2, the original ubuntu cursor is jimmac
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Glen_: yes, however in the future its polite to ask people before /msg them
[03:38] <Neil3> Gul3, file roller can view inside iso images afaik
[03:38] <Gul3> Drizzt321: No
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Gul3: ok, you need to, as root, modprobe loop
[03:38] <Glen_> oh right, sorry Drizzt321, im new :(
[03:38] <Glen_> well my problem is bootin to windows in GRUB
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Glen_: thats fine, I'm just letting you know for the future :)
[03:39] <Drizzt321> Glen_: ok, have you tried looking in the grub man page?
[03:39] <Drizzt321> Glen_: err...nm, that doesn't have much of that stuff
[03:39] <mz2> Xappe, thx
[03:40] <Glen_> well do it on here then: i have ubuntu installed, i think my problem is something to do with not being able to boot from the second harddrive (hd1)
[03:40] <topyli> Drizzt321: well, the grub man page has almost nothing. see the info page instead
[03:40] <Drizzt321> Glen_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[03:40] <Drizzt321> topyli: yea, I just noticed that
[03:41] <Xappe> mz2, i change to jimmac yesterday because i got tired of waiting for an update of the industrial engine
[03:41] <Drizzt321> Glen_: thats a mini-howto at tldp.org - the linux doc project
[03:41] <Gul3> Drizzt321: thanks, worked now:)
[03:41] <Drizzt321> Glen_: :)
[03:41] <vixus> lunitik: Got it working =D
[03:43] <inser> hi
[03:43] <mz2> fair enough
[03:43] <Glen_> # on /dev/hdc1
[03:43] <Glen_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[03:43] <Glen_>
[03:43] <Glen_> root		(hd1,0)
[03:43] <Glen_> savedefault
[03:43] <Glen_> makeactive
[03:43] <Glen_> chainloader	+1
[03:43] <inser> how are u?
[03:43] <Glen_> that my entry in GRUB, i think i need to use the: grub> map (hd0) (hd1)
[03:43] <Glen_> grub> map (hd1) (hd0) but i dont know how
[03:44] <Drizzt321> Glen_: also, please do not paste multiple lines into here, go to #flood or post it on pastebin.com
[03:44] <Gul3> ok, so then a wine related question. when i try to start Setup.exe it gives me this: You must copy a 'stdole32.tlb' file to your Windows\System directory! You can get one from a Windows installation, or look for the DCOM95 package on the Microsoft Download Pages." how do i get around this?
[03:44] <Glen_> oh sorry, just copied and pasted. i didnt know it was gonna do lodsa lines
[03:45] <Drizzt321> Glen_: each line in the file will produce a line in here
[03:45] <Glen_> ok sorry, ill remember hat in future, however do u understand what i mean?
[03:45] <zombics> when i am trying to compile wine i get this error: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[03:46] <Drizzt321> Glen_: so you have 2 physical hard disks that you are trying to dual boot?
[03:46] <Glen_> yes
[03:46] <Glen_> i think it is 'cos i have windows on my Secound harddrive, and grub cannot boot froma  secound harddrive, thats why i mentions the MAP command
[03:47] <Glen_> i.e. grub> map (hd0) (hd1) | grub> map (hd1) (hd0)
[03:47] <Drizzt321> Glen_:  ok, so instead of (hd0,0), you would use (hd1,0) or if it is not slave, use hd2 or hd3 as appropriate
[03:48] <Drizzt321> Glen_: heres the grub online manual with the naming conventions: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Naming-convention.html#Naming%20convention
[03:51] <Glen_> <Drizzt321: is there a way i can just use LiLO instead, install LiLO to a Floopy or something and leave GRUN on my MBR just incease it down work?
[03:51] <Glen_> because i have useds Mandrake before and LILO worked fine
[03:52] <Xappe> hmm, the problem is that windows has to think it's on the first disk to boot correctly?
[03:52] <Drizzt321> grub works fine as well, just a different way of doing things. I'm not expert on dual booting with grub though, unfortunately.
[03:52] <Glen_> this GRUB doesnt work, cos it didnt work onn SuSE either, and now its not working on Ubuntu so it must be GRUB
[03:52] <Glen_> ok cheers
[03:52] <Drizzt321> heres the section on booting windows....   http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS-Windows.html#DOS%2fWindows
[03:52] <Drizzt321> not sure if it'll help more
[03:53] <Glen_> ok drizzt321, can i ask, do u know where about i wud put the  "grub> map (hd0) (hd1) | grub> map (hd1) (hd0)" command in my menu/list file?
[03:54] <Glen_> menu.list
[03:54] <Glen_> menu.lst* even (the file GRUB use's)
[03:54] <Drizzt321> yes
[03:55] <Drizzt321> Glen_: here's the configuration section, you can use that as a base guide for adding in the section http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Configuration.html#Configuration
[03:57] <Psyk[o] > anyone can take a look at my Xorg log? I'm fighting with xorg and nvidia drivers :(
[03:57] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : I can try, but I haven't run Xorg yet :\
[03:58] <scoon> Psyk[o] , what is in the log.  what is the err ?
[03:58] <scoon> Psyk[o] , i am running x.org w/ nvidia and all is well.
[03:59] <Psyk[o] > it seems to is all ok in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and nvidia module loaded.. .but i cant start xorg :( the log is here: http://www.pastebin.com/241382
[03:59] <Psyk[o] > I have a Nvidia Fx5200 card
[04:00] <Welly> hey guys
[04:01] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : ok, the problem is in your config file. you do not have a Screen section that contains a valid configuration
[04:02] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : I've had this happen to me before on X11, so you'll need to go in and edit your Xorg config file
[04:02] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, but with the same config if i change "nvidia" to "nv" it works...
[04:02] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : go into your config file and look in the Screen section and see if something might need to be changed
[04:03] <mat> Psyk[o] : are you sure the nvidia kernel module is loaded / is working ?
[04:03] <mat> i.e., try reloading it
[04:04] <Psyk[o] > mat, yes:  lsmod | grep nv
[04:04] <Psyk[o] > nvidia               3470364  0
[04:05] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : would you paste your config file on pastebin?
[04:05] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, sure
[04:05] <Drizzt321> thanks
[04:06] <mat> also, if reloading the module works: sometimes, the nvidia module compiled for an old kernel (or an old kernel configuration), would load but not work. so you could just try rebuilding the module (probably useless if you are using the packages though)
[04:06] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, http://www.pastebin.com/241386
[04:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> hi all! fdisk says my partitions doesn't end on the cylinder boundary what am I supposed to do format the whole HD? theri is any tool to fix it?
[04:06] <Glen_> hey im editing LiLO, wha does this mean "boot=Insert_your_boot_device_here", anyone?
[04:07] <zombics> how can i install flash player on my ubuntu 64 system?
[04:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> zombics getthe binary and just ./it
[04:08] <zombics> _|Imanewbie|_, Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[04:08] <mat> zombics: mail macromedia :]
[04:08] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : hrmmm
[04:09] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : and so the only difference in nvidia instead of nv?
[04:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> mat amem
[04:09] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, yes...
[04:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> no one got a suggestion for me?
[04:09] <zombics> mat, bhaa :/
[04:09] <vixus> I need an ID3 tag editor for linux.
[04:09] <chillywilly> bah, my printer has stopped working
[04:09] <vixus> Cause rhythmbox is stupidly case-sensitive.
[04:09] <Drizzt321> vixus: try madman
[04:10] <mat> zombics: <insert rant about proprietary software> :)
[04:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus I did one as homework :D
[04:10] <sege> any last words before i upgrade to hoary? does it even work? =)
[04:10] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : have you tried rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia to reload the kernel module?
[04:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> sege ive upgrade yesterday andmy sistem crashed
[04:10] <mat> vixus: search for "id3" in the package list :)
[04:10] <Drizzt321> vixus: madman has a great tag editing feature, but its also great as a search/jukebox and works great with xmms
[04:11] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, yes, I've tried :(
[04:11] <sege> _|Imanewbie|_: bad =)
[04:11] <vixus> _|Imanewbie|_, can I have it?
[04:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus it was for windows =(
[04:11] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : anything showing up in your /var/log/syslog after you try and start the server?
[04:11] <vixus> :|
[04:11] <vixus> oh
[04:11] <gus> Hi all, I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu on my CDless laptop. I installed the ubuntu base system on the laptop drive by installing it in my desktop as HD0. The base system boots on the desktop, but I get errors on transferring basck to the lappie.
[04:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus my teacher doesn't use linux
[04:12] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, I haven't looked at syslog, I can try to run X and paste that log..
[04:12] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : no, don't
[04:12] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : it'll be too large, we're just interested in the end, you can use the tail program for that
[04:13] <vixus> Madman takes up 18.2 MB. I think its unnecessary for just editing id3 tags
[04:13] <Psyk[o] > ok, I'm going to do that
[04:13] <Drizzt321> vixus: well, it does alot more than just tag editing
[04:13] <Drizzt321> vixus: you looked at the site?
[04:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus http://easytag.sourceforge.net/
[04:13] <parazoid> How can i unpack an Ace-file
[04:14] <vixus> does xmms support ID3 tag editing and playlists? XP
[04:14] <gus> After "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel" I get an ACPI error (old laptop, no acpi support) followed by "/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" then a kernel panic "VFS: Unable to moount root fs on unknown-block(0.0"
[04:14] <mat> parazoid: try installing unace :)
[04:14] <chillywilly> I think I broke my CUPS
[04:14] <Drizzt321> vixus: yes, you can edit the id3 tags in xmms
[04:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> chillywilly get a glass :p