[21:42] <dr_willis> Some days - you just have to hunkerdown and learn grub2 :) its worth the effort.
[21:42] <_cb> Am testing Zimbra, which is a collaboration platform, on Ubuntu Server.  Would like testing as a virtual machine. What hypervisors should I look at for Ubuntu server?
[21:42] <filo1234> DBordelo: so NM doesn't write in interfaces
[21:42] <dariushall21> Does anyone know how to fix it? It's getting ridiculousness.
[21:42] <dariushall21> Lol auto correct
[21:42] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  could be you are just doing some mistake and telling it the wrong location.
[21:42] <filo1234> DBordelo: maybe you need to rename device in NM too, but I'm not sure, I don't use GUI
[21:42] <urlin2u> LeChacal, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys (key)
[21:43] <DBordelo> filo1234, that is unfortunate.  I can no longer access NM
[21:43] <filo1234> why not?
[21:43] <LeChacal> urlin2u, I added the keys a long time ago for the 3rd party ones when I first added them. Did they all expire recently or something? Also I tried readding the virtulbox key with no change.
[21:43] <DBordelo> filo1234, well, not easily.  It is headless, no X session
[21:44] <dariushall21> dr_willis It says "Completed with no error reports" I followed every instructions and it worked once, but I did a manditory update and now it's back at the grub rescue screen.
[21:44] <filo1234> DBordelo: so how you had setted network by GUI if don't have X?
[21:44] <TMKCodes> Anyone can help me? Watching only this wallpaper is not nice.
[21:44] <DBordelo> filo1234, I orginally had X
[21:45] <urlin2u> LeChacal, not sure are they ppa's thta may not support your setup now like with a upgrade. there are a huge amount of 3rd party contacts naming the problem ones seems logical....eh.
[21:45] <filo1234> DBordelo: well you can configure /etc/network/interfaces manually and it bypass NM
[21:45] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  you may want to start by making up a pastebin for the chann el to see with the output of 'sudo fdisk -l'  and a summary of what you have tried so far.
[21:45] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  could be as simple as your bios/pc tryingto boot the wrong HD also.
[21:46] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  i had a pc try to boot grub off a usb i had plugged in.. :) when i wanted it to boot the HD.
[21:46] <dariushall21> I can't do that on a computer that doesn't boot. I only have one hd, and I have tried a mbr repair like everyone suggests
[21:46] <filo1234> DBordelo: do you have access to that machines without network connection?
[21:46] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  live cd - would be handy in that case
[21:47] <thisistheaussiet> What does this mean, and how do I force these to upgrade? http://paste.ubuntu.com/802282/
[21:47] <dariushall21> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765783 this is what I did the first time and it worked
[21:47] <dariushall21> then it again went right back to the grub rescue screen after a reboot
[21:47] <dr_willis> thisistheaussiet:  try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:48] <DBordelo> filo1234, luckily :)
[21:49] <DBordelo> filo1234, i played around in /etc/NetworkManger  I got everyting straigtened out.  Thank you for your help
[21:49] <pooya> rtdf
[21:49] <dariushall21> dr_willis I am booting to a live cd, I know my linux partion is on /dev/sda/1
[21:49] <pooya> we
[21:49] <filo1234> DBordelo: well, np²
[21:49] <urlin2u> dariushall21, what OS's do you have and what is the final goal?
[21:49] <pooya> sft
[21:50] <pooya> xv
[21:50] <dariushall21> urlin2u I have ububtu, thats it, my windows got corrupted so i installed over it with linux, and it constantly goes to "error no such partition grub rescue" my goal is to actually boot to ubtuntu
[21:50] <diverdude> how do i undo: update-rc.d git-poller defaults
[21:51] <LeChacal> urlin28, I clean installed back in oct when 11.10 came out and until yesterday all were fine so unless a program update messed it up I think my system is fine. The 3rd party that are error are: virtualbox, a couple on launchpad (wxmaxima, webupd8, Wine, and Zeitgeist). I tried the update commend you sent for fixing with no change.
[21:52] <dariushall21> I gave the wrong url in the first link
[21:52] <dariushall21> This is the real url I used http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
[21:52] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  so this is a totally new/clean install?
[21:52] <urlin2u> LeChacal, you might pastebin the apt-get update run with errors.
[21:52] <LeChacal> urlin28, i should add that I just switched ISP and when browsing the web I have gotten errors say that the certificate for doubleclick aid site is bad, don't nkow if this is linked to my problem. I can't think of a way that an ISP would screw up only some of the certificates on my system
[21:53] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  and you dont want to keep windows?  or are you dual booting?
[21:53] <dariushall21> Dr_willis, yes I cleam installed, then booted up to it, did all the necassary updating, then did the restart for the changes, then booted back to error
[21:53] <dariushall21> And no, I can't stand windows. I already deleted it, it blue screened and corrupted and wouldn't boot or recover
[21:54] <WhiteOwl-m> Question: Want to administer Ubuntu Server 11.10. Do you know an alternative to WebMin? I read it's not supported so I don't wanna use it.
[21:54] <dr_willis> !ebox
[21:54] <WhiteOwl-m> There are so many alternatives, I can't decide.
[21:54] <WhiteOwl-m> uh
[21:54] <WhiteOwl-m> ok
[21:54] <WhiteOwl-m> let me check it out, thanks man
[21:55] <urlin2u> dariushall21, you might run this script and pastebin the results.txt for ful info. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/  you also might look at this link. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot
[21:55] <LeChacal> urlin2u, http://paste.ubuntu.com/802294/
[21:55] <dr_willis> dariushall21:  may be quicker to do a reinstall. get grub working , and perhaps also install grub to a spare flash drive if it has issues. and see if the problem repeates. It COULD be some hard to track down hardware issue/hd failure going on.
[21:55] <diverdude> how do i undo: update-rc.d git-poller defaults
[21:56] <cihhan> hi all! im trying to install a virtual machine using virt-manager -- but im having some issues: when i launch it, it does not show local install media option. im trying network install, but i couldnt find the rught url. any suggestion?
[21:56] <dariushall21> dr_willis, I have reinstalled ubuntu about 10 times, I still get the same error everytime. And it would make sense if my hd was bad.
[21:57] <bastidrazor> diverdude: update-rc.d git-poller remove
[21:57] <dariushall21> dr_willis my linux boot according to fdisk -l is on /dev/sda1
[21:58] <dariushall21> dr_willis so I replace the things on this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708 with my sda
[21:58] <diverdude> bastidrazor, then it just says: System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/git-poller already exist.
[21:58] <growl> ok guys i am on the phone with dell right now and it looks like i have to pay $19 to fix my screw up but discs send tomoro. i wanted to ask real quik if you guys think an 80gb hard drive is enough to dual boot vista and ubuntu?
[21:59] <growl> i only use vista for WOW thats it
[22:00] <growl> should i wipe this ubuntu os from the HD then put vista back then ubuntu? or is it easy to just add vista on top with the dell oem disc?
[22:00] <Omega> !dualboot | growl
[22:00] <i42n> I am looking for a repository or package that contains many free fonts. Any tips?
[22:00] <bernard__> Hi
[22:00] <bemasher> is there a proper way to set grub2 to show boot entries from the os probe first? i want to have it automatically boot into win 7 rather than ubuntu
[22:01] <growl> sweet.... i dont wanna have that ugly os on my HD period, but WOW leaves me no alternative damn it!
[22:01] <bastidrazor> diverdude: update-rc.d -f git-poller remove  add '-f'
[22:01] <urlin2u> LeChacal, so you ran the get key (Vbox) command looking like this using the first error. sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 54422A4B98AB5139
[22:02] <zanberdo> is there a way to enable keyboard switching to load TTY for natty? ctrl-shift-f1 through f6 appears to be ignored by default
[22:03] <iceroot> zanberdo: ctrl + alt + f1
[22:03] <zanberdo> fail
[22:03] <bastidrazor> zanberdo:  ctrl-alt-f1 throught f6
[22:03] <urlin2u> zanberdo, ctrl-at f?
[22:03] <zanberdo> that's what I'm trying to make work
[22:03] <iceroot> zanberdo: or what is your question?
[22:03] <iceroot> zanberdo: alt and not shift
[22:03] <ok_wait> where is the default fonts configuration file for gnome-shell? gnome-tweak-tool doesn't change any fonts except for the window title font and the default font only seems to work for notify-send
[22:03] <zanberdo> that is the question: why does natty apparently ignore ctrl-alt-f1 through f6 (sorry I meant to type ctrl-alt not ctrl-shift)
[22:04] <xiambax> Morning folks
[22:04] <heat1> Hi, I'm having a problem with my Update Manager
[22:04] <LeChacal> urlin2u, yes I got this as an output http://paste.ubuntu.com/802308/ with no change when running apt-get update
[22:04] <openfly> Hey, so... what's the deal with the syslog-ng package on 11.10.  It says the fixed the libdbi0 dependency issue on the package bug tracker in the last release... but that does not appear to be the case.
[22:04] <i42n> heat1, please be more precise
[22:05] <heat1> When I try to update some ubuntu packages I receive this messasage error: http://pastebin.com/sei2WsKD
[22:05] <ok_wait> how do i manually configure gnome-shell's fonts?
[22:05] <heat1> i42n: Did you see the error message?
[22:06] <i42n> heat1, yes but I do not understand spanish unfortunatly
[22:06] <heat1> i42n: I think that I have to reset or download the list of the repository
[22:06] <heat1> i42n: But I don't know how
[22:06] <bastidrazor> heat1: you're using the wrong distro release. feisty has been 'end of life' for ages
[22:07] <openfly> seriously, wtf is up with ubuntu recently
[22:07] <openfly> why are core packages showing up broken
[22:07] <openfly> and not being fixed?
[22:07] <openfly> like simple stuff too
[22:07] <bastidrazor> heat1: which version of ubunt are you using? "lsb_release -d"
[22:07] <ok_wait> i either need to tell gnome-shell to look where notify-send is looking for its fonts or change the file gnome-shell looks to for its fonts configuration. could someone help me do either of those?
[22:07] <i42n> heat1, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-gpg-error-httpextras-ubuntu-com-maverick-release.html
[22:08] <bastidrazor> heat1: i42n that link will not help. he has feisty ppa's added not maverick
[22:08] <heat1> Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[22:08] <bastidrazor> heat1: change the ppa to point towards lucid instead of feisty
[22:09] <heat1> bastidrazor: How can I do that?
[22:10] <bastidrazor> heat1: how did you add the ppa?
[22:10] <urlin2u> LeChacal, not sure really that usually fix this, maybe a server change might help I see the ftp in there just guessing though
[22:10] <heat1> bastidrazor: What is ppa?
[22:10] <openfly> garg
[22:11] <openfly> can i just fix syslog-ng and send someone the package to update it to not be broken?
[22:11] <bastidrazor> heat1: how did you add the wine repository?
[22:13] <LeChacal> urlin2u, I found a solution http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75813.html it was just a matter of googline the right thing. Thank you for the help.
[22:13] <heat1> I did not do that...
[22:13] <teratoma> so i tried to install a package with apt-get or aptitude, and it threatend to rip out 100s of packages to install it.  if i do it in synaptic, it worked fine, no fuss.  what's up with that?
[22:14] <heat1> bastidrazor: I'm going to send you my repository list
[22:14] <_jason> teratoma: pastebin
[22:14] <ok_wait> where would i find the configuration files gnome-shell reads from when it starts?
[22:15] <teratoma> _jason: http://pastebin.com/NgdMZYWg
[22:15] <jordan4ibanez> hello
[22:16] <teratoma> _jason: i was able to install it with no fuss with synaptic.  what am i doing wrong?
[22:17] <jordan4ibanez> i need some serious help..i have a 500 gb jfs / filesystem ..and i have a 20gb ext2 mounted on / too ..how to i unmount the 20 gb..because it says its mounted when i try to mount it..but then it says its unmounted when i try to unmount it..i am confused >.<
[22:17] <heat1> bastidrazor: this is my repositoty list: http://pastebin.com/RzH8S3Jv
[22:18] <jordan4ibanez> any one?
[22:18] <angela-> hi all muon is a deb pagage what to do whit it its like sinaptic?
[22:19] <urlin2u> LeChacal, cool I was a bit stumped. :D
[22:19] <heat1> bastidrazor: are you there?
[22:20] <bastidrazor> heat1: you have hardy repositories added in that list. that is a great way to break your system.
[22:20] <MonkeyDust> angela-  why do you want to use it, if you don't know what it is?
[22:20] <WhiteOwl-m> ebox/zentyal is not supported for ubuntu server 11.10?
[22:20] <bastidrazor> heat1: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  for more. i would guess the wine repository is listed there.
[22:20] <angela-> dont no
[22:21] <ok_wait> jordan4ibanez, you can't unmount / when you're running the os that sits on it. use a live cd if you really need it unmounted
[22:21] <heat1> bastidrazor: yeah, But I'd like to reset that list from internet
[22:21] <auronandace> !ebox | WhiteOwl-m
[22:21] <MonkeyDust> !info muon
[22:21] <jordan4ibanez> no no  no...THERE ARE 2 MOUNTED TO / ..but the 20 gb isnt actually mounted to anything
[22:21] <heat1> bastidrazor: How can I do that?
[22:21] <jordan4ibanez> but its mounted and unmounted at the same thing
[22:22] <_jason> teratoma: my guess is that waht you see is not related to intalling syslog-ng but instead to some other problem with your package state (see the end of what you pastebinned)
[22:22] <michaelgamble> does anyone know if their is a way to force gnome to autologin as a specific user on start up
[22:23] <jordan4ibanez> :(
[22:23] <MonkeyDust> michaelgamble  System Settings - User accounts
[22:23] <michaelgamble> yeah I'm having difficulty doing it through the gui
[22:24] <bastidrazor> heat1: comment (add a #) to  lines 57 and 59 on http://pastebin.com/RzH8S3Jv  .. also look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for other lists
[22:24] <auronandace> jordan4ibanez: what is the output of mount?
[22:24] <michaelgamble> because the users generated aren't all showing up in the users gui
[22:24] <jordan4ibanez> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on / mount failed
[22:24] <bastidrazor> heat1: also line 54.
[22:25] <jordan4ibanez> i think its my fstab
[22:25] <MonkeyDust> michaelgamble  start from the beginning, what have you done and tried, before you came here for advice
[22:25] <michaelgamble> installed zentyal
[22:25] <michaelgamble> created a user through its webgui
[22:25] <auronandace> jordan4ibanez: what is the output of mount? no options just: mount
[22:25] <Jordan_U> jordan4ibanez: Please pastebin your /etc/mtab and your /proc/mounts .
[22:25] <bastidrazor> jordan4ibanez: it appears your fstab is trying to mount two seperate partitions to the same place. pastebin your /etc/fstab
[22:26] <michaelgamble> upgraded from lxde to gnome using apt get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:26] <michaelgamble> logged out as admin user
[22:26] <michaelgamble> logged in as new admin user (one created in the webgui)
[22:26] <rob-212> Anyone know how to install /usr/bin/dot in UBuntu 11.10?
[22:26] <bastidrazor> jordan4ibanez: follow Jordan_U's suggest.
[22:26] <MonkeyDust> michaelgamble  in one line please, that's easier to read
[22:26] <michaelgamble> sorry
[22:26] <auronandace> michaelgamble: i wouldn't call lxde to gnome an upgrade :)
[22:26] <nivyaj> i installed ubuntu10.04 yesterday after wiping my hard drive. It seems to be super  sluggish ever since i installed flash.... any clue what i should do?
[22:26] <jordan4ibanez> http://pastebin.com/yXnMgL2q
[22:26] <Jordan_U> rob-212: Part of graphviz?
[22:27] <Jordan_U> jordan4ibanez: Please also pastebin the output of "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/".
[22:27] <michaelgamble> installed zentyal flavour of ubuntu > created a new admin user through its webgui > installed ubuntu-desktop > logged out of default admin and logged in as new admin user (made in webgui) > now i want to make this new admin user be automatically logged in on boot
[22:27] <MonkeyDust> !info zentyal > MonkeyDust
[22:28] <rob-212> Yes, but apt-get install graphviz doesn't seem to install dot
[22:28] <filo1234> Jordan_U: jfs?
[22:28] <jordan4ibanez> http://pastebin.com/2rqDPRWF
[22:30] <jordan4ibanez> yes im on jfs
[22:30] <jordan4ibanez> oops
[22:30] <heat1> bastidrazor: Thanks a lot
[22:30] <Jordan_U> jordan4ibanez: Both /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts agree that there is only one partition mounted currently, /dev/sdb1.
[22:30] <filo1234> do you have installed Ubuntu on jfs partition?
[22:31] <heat1> bastidrazor: You're the best, that's the solution...}
[22:31] <user559900> hello. help me please. how to change desktop from console? (not tty)
[22:31] <heat1> bastidrazor: the error dissapear...
[22:31] <jordan4ibanez> if you are talking to me then yes i am
[22:31] <nordle> Hello.  Using the Open Source ATI driver (ati), no xorg.conf.  When I get into desktop, the screen has many many blue lines and all the edges of everything look slightly wavey.  Is it running incorrect sync maybe?
[22:31] <heat1> bastidrazor: Bye
[22:31] <jordan4ibanez> ok guys i will show you what is wrong i will brb
[22:31] <nivyaj> i installed ubuntu10.04 yesterday after wiping my hard drive. It seems to be super  sluggish ever since i installed flash.... any clue what i should do?
[22:32] <filo1234> Jordan_U: yes sorry I was talking with you :)
[22:32] <filo1234> pffff jordan4ibanez
[22:32] <jordan4ibanez> the filesystem is not clean >.>
[22:32] <thwest> i seem to have borked my apt-get on 10.04. i accidentally removed a flash drive without umount, and dpkg at some point complained it couldnt find /mount/thedrivename (not sure why it was looking). now `sudo apt-get install tofrodos` hangs at 'Unpacking replacement tofrodos...'. I can kill apt-get and clean the locks, etc. but it hangs at the same spot afterward
[22:32] <dr_willis> nivyaj:  you mean the whole os is slow? or just when you are web surfing?
[22:33] <jordan4ibanez> http://imgur.com/MZThv
[22:33] <nivyaj> dr_willis: thanks for helping. on the whole, i believe it's slow
[22:34] <filo1234> jordan4ibanez: but sdb1 / is just mounted, why you want remount it?
[22:34] <nivyaj> before dl'ing java, jre, and flash it was super fast tho.
[22:35] <nivyaj> sorry- java and openjdk
[22:35] <jordan4ibanez> isnt the 20 gb supposed to come up as a second hard disk?
[22:35] <dr_willis> nivyaj:  flash whouldent be affecting the whole os. Neither should java.
[22:35] <FuZi0N> hey
[22:35] <michaelgamble> any info for me on the autologin?
[22:35] <FuZi0N> how can i open the root folder in ubuntu using the gui files browser?
[22:35] <nivyaj> dr_willis: that's what i thought..... so I don't know how to troubleshoot from here to find the issue
[22:35] <jordan4ibanez> i am trying to mount it because i cannot find it
[22:36] <filo1234> jordan4ibanez: what do you mean?
[22:36] <dr_willis> jordan4ibanez:  what does 'sudo fdisk -l' say about the 2nd hd?
[22:36] <filo1234> sdb1 is your /  ( root directory )
[22:36] <growl> Hey guys quick question if i dual boot using Ubuntu 11.10 what is a safe partition size of my 80gb to give ubuntu? also i know its a winodoze question but whats the smallest possible size to have a Vista partition. the vista is for world of warcraft only!!!
[22:37] <jordan4ibanez> http://pastebin.com/8dBC8NbU
[22:37] <ok_wait> so who might possibly know someone who might possibly know where i could find the configuration file gnome-shell reads for font settings when it starts?
[22:37] <dr_willis> growl:  perhaps 30gb. given how HUGE WoW can be..
[22:37] <growl> wow is 16gb i think, windows even for just that prog would be oabout 20 gb then ya?
[22:37] <Jordan_U> jordan4ibanez: If you run "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/" it should mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/. Is there something else you're trying to accomplish?
[22:38] <growl> so i was thinking 35 g to 40g?
[22:38] <jordan4ibanez> yes im trying to use it for video recording
[22:38] <EvilResistance> growl:  Vista: 10 - 15GB min for vista
[22:38] <growl> i seriously hate windows sorry to ask but does anyone know a vista irc equivilent to this room?
[22:38] <EvilResistance> growl:  20GB for Vista if you want it to be safe
[22:38] <EvilResistance> growl:  ##windows
[22:38] <jordan4ibanez> thank you very much that worked :)
[22:38] <growl> on freenode?
[22:39] <EvilResistance> growl:  yes
[22:39] <jordan4ibanez> will it be permanant though?
[22:39] <growl> ##windows or #windows?
[22:39] <bastidrazor> growl: ##windows
[22:39] <growl> two #?
[22:39] <growl> k
[22:39] <EvilResistance> growl:  yes, two ##.  on freenode, they have weird naming policies :P
[22:40] <growl> thank you much...to be continued...
[22:40] <growl> hmmm can i be in two room at once on freenode?
[22:40] <growl> very new to irc...very
[22:40] <Jordan_U> growl: Yes.
[22:40] <yumbo> growl, type: "/join ##windows" to join the windows channel for example
[22:41] <growl> danks
[22:41] <jordan4ibanez> will this be permanant jordan_U? lol
[22:41] <_cb> If my intention is to run Ubuntu Server as a virtual machine on top of Virtualbox. Does it make any difference if I install Ubuntu desktop or Ubuntu server as the host os?
[22:41] <yumbo> _cb, no it does not matter
[22:41] <yumbo> _cb, but Ubuntu server might be more stable as a host os --> less crashes
[22:42] <jordan4ibanez> ok thank you
[22:42] <jordan4ibanez> have a good day sir :)
[22:42] <yumbo> _cb, any reason why you want to run Ubuntu server in a virtual machine in Ubuntu?
[22:43] <jolaren> I've installed jailkit and rssh.. Im now trying to connect with my limited user which works fine but Im able to break out of the jail with winscp.. whats up with that?
[22:43] <_cb> yumbo, thanks
[22:45] <growl> so that windows irc room is not very lively  i know its off topic so dont taze me bro, but anyone shoot an alternative to ##windows?
[22:46] <io> growl: an alternative to Windows? ##linux
[22:46] <yumbo> haha
[22:46] <growl> lol an alternative to windows room
[22:46] <growl> i hate it too but have no choice
[22:46] <MonkeyDust> 'alternative' sounds like 'almost as good'
[22:47] <growl> windows licks nuts i just need to play wow and i have no alternative
[22:47] <MonkeyDust> growl  moment
[22:47] <yumbo> "need to play wow"
[22:47] <yumbo> ...
[22:47] <ok_wait> lol
[22:47] <growl> NEED!
[22:47] <growl> serious lvl 82 horde pally being neglected
[22:48] <growl> ok off topic...windows irc room
[22:48] <growl> any ideas
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> growl  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIzgUq4Lpa4
[22:48] <growl> wa is dis
[22:48] <ok_wait> growl, did you check out playonlinux?
[22:49] <growl> i tried it all man its my awful 08 Dell laptop killing me
[22:49] <ok_wait> :/
[22:49] <growl> wow is bad enough in vista, worse when emulated
[22:49] <MonkeyDust> then why do you play it?
[22:49] <growl> so no choice now vista is getting dual booted very reluctantly
[22:50] <growl> do you ask a bird why he flies or the fish why he swims...
[22:50] <ok_wait> nice
[22:50] <ok_wait> bs but nice
[22:50] <growl> tell yer local crack fiend to just stop puffin!
[22:51] <growl> ok so can i has #windows room now?
[22:51] <growl> ##windows is dead...
[22:51] <growl> i know its not your area to speak on but any help ist rad
[22:52] <growl> i promise to say good things bout ubuntu
[22:52] <haylo> you still here growl lol
[22:52] <yumbo> Flying and swimming are live necessities for a bird and a fish, respectively
[22:52] <yumbo> playing wow is not
[22:52]  * dr_willis waits for actual support questions..
[22:52] <growl> yumbo has never had a taste obv
[22:52] <VCoolio> Alpha try kupfer
[22:52] <haylo> this is all for world f warcraft??
[22:52] <VCoolio> sorry
[22:52] <growl> the windows nonsense is yes haylo
[22:52] <haylo> growl i only play open source games
[22:52] <growl> howd you get so cool?>
[22:53] <growl> lol
[22:53] <growl> jkj
[22:53] <MonkeyDust> i only play mahjong
[22:53] <haylo> man i had to take stuff
[22:53] <ok_wait> dr_willis, where can i find the font configuration file gnome-shell reads when it starts, i'm using oneiric
[22:53] <lytithwyn> haylo & growl: I only play tabletop games.  ;)
[22:53] <growl> i play wow and with my self
[22:53] <growl> ok so any thoughts on the alternatives to #windows room?
[22:53] <haylo> that is sort of obtuse
[22:53] <lytithwyn> growl: At that, I think it's time to roll initiative.
[22:54] <haylo> yes initiative
[22:54] <urlin2u> #ubuntu-offtopic   gentelmen
[22:54] <growl> initiative?
[22:54] <dr_willis> ok_wait:  could be in the gconf regiestry type thing. or in .config or ~/.gconf/  somewhere. I just use the gnome-tweak tool to tweak my fonts
[22:54] <lytithwyn> Sorry.
[22:54] <growl> i know its off topic just trying to find a room where it is on topic sorry Doc!
[22:55] <haylo> windows is never on topic in linux irc channels
[22:56] <guest-ks86mm> hey guys, my kernel paniced as it does, i had to hard restart as i always do, and now i can't log into my standard session, i have to use a guest session.  any ideas?
[22:56] <dr_willis> guest-ks86mm:  try logging in from console
[22:57] <ok_wait> dr_willis, does your gnome-tweak-tool actually change fonts other than the window title font? (including the scaling slider, none of mine work, except for window title) what's weird is when i change the default font and 'notify-send "fsdlj" "sdlkjfsdlk"' the font is applied to the message
[22:57] <growl> :( welll i found one guy to talk to over at ##windows...seems kinda sad really, says lots about windozers
[22:58] <guest-ks86mm> dr_willis, how do i do that?
[22:58] <dr_willis> ok_wait:  never noticed. Im on a headless server 99% of the time for the last 3 mionths
[22:58] <lytithwyn> growl: I think it's just because getting support on IRC tends to be an open-source thing.
[22:59] <Wurgasm> I'm actually impressed about how many people are in here
[22:59] <lytithwyn> growl: There might be a stackexchange.com site where your question might be answered.
[22:59] <Joshhsoj0> how do i turn on IOMMU in Ubunto
[22:59] <Joshhsoj0> *Ubuntu
[23:00] <Wurgasm> I'm having Vidalia issues on 11.10
[23:00] <lytithwyn> growl: Stackexchange is a series of websites with similar layout that generally has VERY good help on specialized topics.  For instance, electronics.stackexchange.com for electronics questions.
[23:01] <WhiteOwl-m> !EBOX
[23:01] <haylo> is ubuntu made from debian or do you guys make it from scratch?
[23:01] <wydo> alguien tiene counter strike corriendo en ubunto por wine?
[23:02] <bastidrazor> !br | wydo
[23:02] <yumbo> dr_willis, headless means without monitor/GUI ?
[23:03] <hbmt> haylo: As I understand it, Ubuntu is originaly /based on/ Debian (like half the other distros seem to be), but there are a lot of important differences between the two.
[23:03] <jolaren> When I try to connect with WinSCP on my limited user I cannot connect after adding user to chroot.. what cna I do? nothing seems wrong in /etc/rssh.conf
[23:03] <alkafoo> hbmt: such as?
[23:03] <alkafoo> jolaren: you shouldn't need a chroot if you're already using rssh
[23:03] <Odaym> this is completely off-topic, but I really could use some help in this formal document I was sent, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/Screenshot.png
[23:03] <lytithwyn> yumbo: Since dr_willis dropped for a moment, I'll answer your question.  Yes, headless usually refers to running a machine without a monitor and interacting with it via ssh/telnet
[23:04] <Odaym> what do I fill in the first blank?..
[23:04] <hbmt> alkafoo: The inclusion of non-free software in Ubuntu springs to mind.
[23:04] <antiPosix> in the past few years some things have changed and I've been meaning to inquire...  My eth0 used to get its static address from the interfaces file, now all I see in that file is the loopback device.  Can someone explain where/how my server gets its static IP address that I configured throught the GUI?
[23:04] <jolaren> alkafoo: seems no matter what I do I can still break out of dir with WinSCP
[23:04] <yumbo> lytithwyn, thanks for answering
[23:04] <haylo> thanks hbmt im studying linux so.. :)
[23:04] <alkafoo> Odaym: http://www.google.com/search?q=groklaw+irc
[23:05] <hbmt> haylo: Oh, cool. For fun, or for some kind of class project?
[23:05] <alkafoo> jolaren: have you tried reading the rssh instructions?
[23:05] <guest-ks86mm> hi, after a kernel panic i can't log into an xubuntu session of my regular user.  any ideas?
[23:05] <antiPosix> the rssh faq is hillarious, I was reading it last week
[23:05] <lytithwyn> yumbo: No problem.  Time for me to disappear, too.  18:00 came none too early.  ;)
[23:05] <alkafoo> hbmt: Ubuntu makes that a pain also, not as much as Debian it's true
[23:05] <lytithwyn> \quit
[23:05] <jolaren> alkafoo: I have.. have you ever set this thing up? Do you know what I'm meaning when I say that I'm able to breakout of my directory even after chroot/jailkit and rssh
[23:05] <haylo> hbmt,  well it started as fun. But now i am taking classes on linux :)
[23:05] <jolaren> :/
[23:05] <alkafoo> antiPosix: hilariously bad, or actually hilarious? =)
[23:05] <alkafoo> jolaren: yeah
[23:05] <antiPosix> alkafoo: the dev explains that he is lazy, funny stuff
[23:06] <alkafoo> but you shouldn't need a chroot, rssh alone should suffice
[23:06] <alkafoo> antiPosix: well yes, and IIRC he doesn't even use it, right?
[23:06] <alkafoo> lazy ftw
[23:06] <alkafoo> lazy = software
[23:06] <antiPosix> alkafoo: correct, he doesnt even use rssh, hah!
[23:06] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: you can log into Xfce with another user?
[23:06] <antiPosix> alkafoo: only because he doesnt have a need to, but still its pretty funny to read through
[23:07] <guest-ks86mm> i dont have another user.  but i can start a guest session, which i'm in now
[23:07] <alkafoo> antiPosix: yeah =P
[23:07] <alkafoo> honesty is funny
[23:07] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: so... that works?
[23:07] <Joshhsoj0> is there a way to turn on IOMMU
[23:07] <WhiteOwl-m> which repository do I add for zentyal on ubuntu oneiric 11.10?
[23:07] <glioros> how can i install ffmpeg on ubuntu 10.4 ?
[23:07] <alkafoo> a user is a user, even if its name is 'guest'
[23:07] <w30> guest-ks86mm, check th ownership of the home files of the locked out user;, they should be thatuser:thatuser
[23:07] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: try moving ~/.cache/ from your ordinary user's /home/ directory to somewhere else temporarily
[23:08] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: if those don't work you can try moving everything in ~/ elsewhere temporarily
[23:08] <alkafoo> if that doesn't work you have real problems
[23:08] <guest-ks86mm> alkafoo ok, i can move that directory
[23:08] <w30> guest-ks86mm, check th ownership of the home files of the locked out user;, they should be thatuser:thatuser
[23:08] <guest-ks86mm> alkafoo, how do i check ownershiop?
[23:08] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: ls -al
[23:08] <guest-ks86mm> what is thatuser:thatuser?
[23:08] <haylo> ls -l shows permissions for non hidden
[23:08] <guest-ks86mm> my username is brad
[23:08] <Nillerz> Hey, my internal speaker works and my external doesn't. When I attach my external speakers to an MP3 player they work, when I attach them to my laptop they don't.
[23:09] <guest-ks86mm> so it would be brad:bard
[23:09] <hbmt> alkafoo: one of the main reasons I use Ubuntu is actually their relatively lenient view of non-free software. I run it on my old laptop, which needs ancient non-free drivers for the wireless card. I probably COULD dig up the driver myself and install it manually on anotehr system, but it would be a bit of a pain.
[23:09] <haylo> ls -la for long list of all
[23:09] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: right
[23:09] <w30> guest-ks86mm, ls -la will tell you or else left-click and click permissions
[23:09] <alkafoo> hbmt: it's the same as Debian IME, though they do have the "one-click" enable stuff in their GUI config area
[23:09] <alkafoo> which admittedly is cute, when it works
[23:09] <guest-ks86mm> alkafoo, ok, so i'll go into one of the tty's ctrl+alt+f6 and i'll do an ls-al
[23:10] <w30> to change permissions sudo chown thatuser:thatuser filesthat need changing
[23:10] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: you can probably ls -al /home/brad/ from your guest user
[23:10] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: but you could switch tty, too
[23:10] <guest-ks86mm> alkafoo and i should see brad:brad for the owner
[23:10] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: yup
[23:10] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: might check what the permissions on the directory /home/brad are, too (ls -al /home/)
[23:11] <guest-ks86mm> i can't get into home, probably because it is encrpyted
[23:11] <w30> guest-ks86mm, especially .Xauthority and .Xdefaults
[23:11] <guest-ks86mm> so i'll try ttying
[23:11] <guest-ks86mm> where are those files?
[23:11] <guest-ks86mm> you mean i especcialy care about the ownership, which i'll see with an ls -al
[23:11] <guest-ks86mm> ?
[23:11] <guest-ks86mm> w30, where are those two files?
[23:12] <alkafoo> guest-ks86mm: /home/brad/
[23:12] <w30> guest-ks86mm, they are dot files that start with a dot and tus are hidden normally ls -la asks them to show their hand.
[23:12] <w30> tus/thus
[23:13] <haylo> cntrl-h shows them in you gui file browser
[23:13] <hbmt> alkafoo: The difference is that Ubuntu includes non-free drivers by default, right on the installation disk. Which makes things a lot simpler for new users trying to install the system on an old machine designed with Windows in mind.
[23:13] <jolaren> Is there anyway for me to hide other users homefolders in WinSCP?
[23:13] <haylo> hbmt, i agree
[23:13] <glioros> Guys I am trying though this command sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall git libfaac-dev libjack-jackd2-dev \   libmp3lame-dev libopencore-amrnb-dev libopencore-amrwb-dev libsdl1.2-dev libtheora-dev \   libva-dev libvdpau-dev libvorbis-dev libx11-dev libxfixes-dev texi2html yasm zlib1g-dev
[23:14] <alkafoo> hbmt: they do?
[23:14] <glioros> to Get all of the packages you will need to install FFmpeg and x264
[23:14] <alkafoo> hbmt: name one
[23:14] <glioros> and when entering this command i am getting an error
[23:14] <Wurgasm> only problem I had with an old system with the incompatibility with broadcom wifi, I couldn't get it to work
[23:14] <hbmt> alkafoo: One what?
[23:14] <alkafoo> jolaren: that's overkill, but you could use a chroot for that, yes
[23:14] <glioros>  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package libfaac-dev
[23:14] <alkafoo> a chroot jail
[23:14] <glioros> any ideas?
[23:14] <alkafoo> jolaren: or look into lxc
[23:14] <haylo> alkafoo try puppy linux and you will see what he means :)
[23:14] <alkafoo> hbmt: non-free driver that Ubuntu includes on install media that Debian doesn't
[23:14] <overclucker> glioros: /msg ubottu !info libfaac
[23:14] <alkafoo> haylo: what who means?
[23:15] <overclucker> oops
[23:15] <alkafoo> haylo: oh, we're just talking about vs Debian
[23:15] <alkafoo> puppy doesn't have anything at all =P the comparison is a waste of time
 Package libfaac does not exist in oneiric
[23:15] <haylo> oh i see yeah they are basically the same except for add driver program
[23:15] <haylo> well the comparison is case in point
[23:16] <guest-ks86mm> w30, it says brad brad in the 3rd and 4th columns when i tty ls -al
[23:16] <Joshhsoj0> can anyone help me enable IOMMU?
[23:16] <overclucker> that would be libfaac-dev
[23:16] <haylo> if you know the awnser to your own question then stfu
[23:16] <hbmt> alkafoo: Oh. I can't remember the actual filename, but the wifi driver for the computer I'm on now was included in Ubuntu, and not in Debian.
[23:16] <Troy_> any of you use kubuntu? my gnome session wont start so i installed xubuntu, yes its nice and light but just doesnt feel like a full desktop experience
[23:17] <overclucker> !info libfaac | glioros
[23:17] <overclucker> !info libfaac-dev | glioros
[23:17] <DoctorD> How i start a software that i installed with Ubuntu Software Center and doesn't appear in the Applications MENU?
[23:17] <alkafoo> Troy_: you just mentioned kubuntu and xubuntu
[23:17] <glioros> E: Couldn't find package libfaac-dev
[23:17] <w30> guest-ks86mm, then permissions are not your problem then for brad
[23:17] <guest-ks86mm> alkafoo, the permissions of the folder /home/brad are drwx-----
[23:17] <glioros> how to find it ?
[23:17] <bastidrazor> Troy_: review ~/.xsession-errors when you try to start ubuntu. it may give clues as to why it fails
[23:17] <alkafoo> Troy_: KDE is pretty nice, I find lots of former Windows users prefer it
[23:17] <guest-ks86mm> w30, i havent moved .cache folder yet, should i try?
[23:18] <bastidrazor> glioros: you need to enable multiverse repository.
[23:18] <alkafoo> DoctorD: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin is the very low level way
[23:18] <wwwd> DoctorD: What software?
[23:18] <DoctorD> swftools
[23:18] <Troy_> bastidrazor: my gnome session will login and then it locks up no bars load etc.
[23:18] <haylo> kde offers a comrehensive desktop package that you can use on other distro and even bsd i think
[23:18] <alkafoo> DoctorD: yes, dpkg -L swftools | grep bin
[23:18] <overclucker> glioros: what bastidrazor said
[23:18] <glioros> bastidrazor how to enable enable multiverse repository ?
[23:18] <alkafoo> all commandline apps, so not likely to be put in any menus
[23:18] <DoctorD> thx alkafoo
[23:19] <Troy_> haylo: yes, i dont want anything to bulky either, i was a super big gnome2 fan
[23:19] <alkafoo> some versions of swftools don't come with all the executables their website mentions they have, heads up
[23:19] <overclucker> glioros: do you wnat to do it through gui, or command line?
[23:19] <alkafoo> not sure what the reasoning is for that
[23:19] <glioros> I dont have user interface. It is a dedicated server
[23:19] <glioros> command line through putty
[23:19] <antiPosix> NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired\ connection\ 1 seems to have my IP address, what part of the boot process calls it?
[23:19] <haylo> Troy_,  it is very bulky and slow
[23:19] <bastidrazor> glioros: software sources > Ubuntu Software > check  multiverse.. 4th on the list
[23:20] <antiPosix> /etc/init.d/networking doesnt seem to be called in runlevel 2
[23:20] <Troy_> haylo: :S
[23:20] <w30> guest-ks86mm, that would be a good check but save it; also if that don't work you can mv the whole brad home directory for diagnostic purposes
[23:20] <haylo> but everything thats not cli is pretty much cept for maybe lmde
[23:20] <haylo> lxde*
[23:20] <glioros> bastidrazor i can access the server only with ssh
[23:20] <DoctorD> alkafoo: i typed that command in the terminal and doesn't appear nothing on my screen..
[23:21] <bastidrazor> glioros: uncomment the multiverse line in /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get update
[23:21] <alkafoo> DoctorD: are you sure it was named 'swftools'?  Are you sure you installed it?
[23:21] <DoctorD> alkafoo: yes, swftools
[23:21] <glioros> bastidrazor how to uncomment the mutliverse line?
[23:21] <jxlIsAGeek> Troy_: are you able to log into console?
[23:21] <alkafoo> DoctorD: try sudo apt-get install swftools
[23:21] <bastidrazor> glioros: delete the # at the beginning of the line
[23:21] <overclucker> glioros: remove the #
[23:22] <Troy_> jxlIsAGeek: of course i can use my xubuntu session
[23:22] <DoctorD> alkafoo: swftools is already the newest version
[23:22] <jxlIsAGeek> Troy_: sorry, didn't noticed it
[23:22] <glioros> how can i remove # ?
[23:22] <bastidrazor> glioros: are you being silly or just trolling?
[23:23] <haylo> serious just highlight it and press delete
[23:23] <DoctorD> alkafoo: if it not works..or isn't anyway to use it...what other swf decompiler is available ?
[23:23] <overclucker> glioros: use a command line text editor, such as nano, vim, or emacs, ...
[23:23] <alkafoo> DoctorD: which swfextract
[23:23] <DoctorD> alkafoo: what do you mean ?
[23:23] <glioros> overclucker: I am using putty to connect to the server
[23:24] <alkafoo> DoctorD: it's a command: which swfextract
[23:24] <DoctorD> alkafoo: what should i do with it? i typed and : /usr/bin/swfextract
[23:24] <alkafoo> DoctorD: okay, so it's installed, but for some reason dpkg -L is failing, odd
[23:24] <overclucker> glioros: nano might be the easiest choice, if you have no experience with vim, emacs. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:25] <alkafoo> DoctorD: the executable names match the names in bold here: http://www.swftools.org/
[23:25] <overclucker> glioros: to save changes and quit nano do ctrl-o, ctrl-x
[23:25] <DoctorD> alkafoo: alright..
[23:25] <alkafoo> if you can't figure out how to do stuff in nano, you should just stop using a computer =)
[23:25] <alkafoo> DoctorD: what're you trying to do exacdtly?
[23:25] <alkafoo> exactly
[23:26] <glioros> sudo: nano: command not found
[23:26] <DoctorD> what to decompile a swf file from a website
[23:26] <DoctorD> like, for example how you do in win32 with SWF Decompiler
[23:26] <alkafoo> DoctorD: swftools doesn't make that quite as easy, IME
[23:26] <iceroot> glioros: you are using ubuntu? or a derivat?
[23:26] <alkafoo> DoctorD: you might want to use Wine with a win32 app
[23:26] <overclucker> hey, i had no clue how to save and exit the first time i used it
[23:26] <alkafoo> overclucker: ...
[23:27] <DoctorD> alkafoo: alright..i'll use wine.
[23:27] <DoctorD> damn..i hate win32
[23:27] <Barnabas> alkafoo, the level off users are not the issue here, more do you want to help them or not
[23:27] <glioros> iceroot: ubuntu 10.4
[23:27] <alkafoo> DoctorD: not saying you can't do it with Unix utils, but it'll be less "easy"
[23:27] <haylo> thats not nice alkafoo
[23:27] <alkafoo> haylo: what isn't?
[23:28] <Barnabas> alkafoo, no
[23:28] <alkafoo> Barnabas: level isn't a factor
[23:28] <haylo> he should stop using a computer
[23:28] <Barnabas> alkafoo, yes it is
[23:28] <alkafoo> Barnabas: no what...?
[23:28] <alkafoo> no it isn't
[23:28] <DoctorD> @alkafoo: i understand and i know..it will be a day when i will be able to use the terminal more then the GUI
[23:28] <alkafoo> when you open nano it SAYS how to use it
[23:28] <haylo> lol ok :)
[23:28] <Barnabas> alkafoo, if you have nothing constructive to add put a sock in it
[23:28] <haylo> i had someone tell me that once and now i can do way more than most people
[23:28] <haylo> so maybe thats the right thing to say  :)
[23:28] <alkafoo> that is constructive, if you cannot read something right in front of your face, you should get out of the reading business, it's going to be a waste of your time
[23:29] <alkafoo> time is important
[23:29] <haylo> lolz
[23:29] <Wurgasm> alkafoo is actually right, I learned how to use it yesterday... it says how to save and exit at the bottom
[23:29] <Barnabas> alkafoo, again by your standards and noone cares about them
[23:29] <bastidrazor> glioros: is this a vpn you've bought?
[23:29] <iceroot> alkafoo: if you want to help others, feel free to do that, if you want to tell them they are noobs, please stop it
[23:29] <antiPosix> does dbus have something to do with NetworkManager, and does that get initialized somehow during boot?
[23:29] <alkafoo> Barnabas: there are no standards involved
[23:29] <alkafoo> been helping others since I got here...
[23:29] <glioros> bastidrazor: yes
[23:29] <Barnabas> alkafoo, youre helping noone now
[23:29] <alkafoo> antiPosix: why do you ask?
[23:30] <overclucker> alkafoo: like everyone is supposed to know what ^X means
[23:30] <alkafoo> Barnabas: right now when you're monopolizing my _time_? Yes it's harder
[23:30] <alkafoo> overclucker: it says right next to it...
[23:30] <antiPosix> alkafoo: with U11.10 I cant figure out what part of the boot process is responsible for assigning my eth0 its IP
[23:30] <Barnabas> somebody kick this fool
[23:30]  * alkafoo rolls eyes
[23:30] <alkafoo> antiPosix: do you want to change your IP?
[23:30] <iceroot> Barnabas: alkafoo lets stop that here and lets go back to topic (ubuntu support)
[23:30] <antiPosix> alkafoo: no
[23:31] <alkafoo> that'd be nice
[23:31] <antiPosix> alkafoo: I am trying to understand why the /etc/network/interfaces file is not used to assign my IP at boot anymore
[23:31] <haylo> alkafoo stop being a cyber bully and let the ubuntu admins handle their own channel
[23:31] <france_> this is really usb 3.0 ? http://www.corsair.com/usb-drive/flash-voyager-usb-drives/flash-voyager-usb-3-32gb-short-usb-flashdrives.html
[23:31] <alkafoo> can't stop what I never started
[23:31] <Barnabas> iceroot, agree
[23:31] <bastidrazor> glioros: you may have to ask the provider to enable it. it seems they have disabled a few things you may need
[23:31] <Barnabas> iceroot, bullys should be stopped
[23:31] <alkafoo> antiPosix: what version did you say?
[23:31] <antiPosix> 11.10
[23:31] <haylo> it is fun to awnser noob questions but when you make it into an abusive sport not coool
[23:32] <alkafoo> indeed, not
[23:32] <france_> guys this is really 3.0 usb  ? http://www.corsair.com/usb-drive/flash-voyager-usb-drives/flash-voyager-usb-3-32gb-short-usb-flashdrives.html
[23:32] <alkafoo> antiPosix: what do you have in the file?
[23:32] <iceroot> france_: ##hardware
[23:32] <Andrew131> antiPosix, thats the file I used
[23:32] <alkafoo> france_: ...says it is
[23:34] <glioros> basidrazor: ok. so what i need them to enable ? please let me know to write them an email
[23:34] <Barnabas> france_ if it is not then I do not belive an usb flash drive would be impaired by usb2
[23:34] <Barnabas> they are not that fast for starteres
[23:34] <Barnabas> starters
[23:34] <Andrew131> I did recently have a time with trying to get my Realtek RTL8111 card to work though
[23:34] <lx-berlin> hi all, i just posted a question in the ubuntu server channel but i didnt get any answer. I just setup my first ubuntu server. it has a software raid1. but one disk is getting removed from the raid
[23:34] <bastidrazor> glioros: enable the multiverse repository. once they do this you can install packages from it.
[23:35] <Andrew131> For some reason it wanted to load the r8169 driver and that worked sporadically
[23:37] <lx-berlin> so my question is, is sdb really faulty or is it maybe a raid configuration error. smart values of sdb: http://pastebin.com/1Txby5WG mdadm details:  http://pastebin.com/S0PBPZxd
[23:37] <overclucker> glioros: ask them if there is a command line text editor you CAN use. Many tasks on a linux system require the editing of text files.
[23:37] <iceroot> glioros: can you provide the output of "cat /etc/issue" "whoami" and "dpkg -l nano"
[23:37] <Barnabas> haylo, there is no noob questions
[23:37] <alkafoo> lx-berlin: if you had another disk you could rule that out
[23:38] <glioros> iceroot: yes give me a minute
[23:38] <haylo> you know that was a response to someone Barnabas
[23:38] <haylo> not meant as an insult
[23:38] <haylo> noobs are real, just not cool ot put people down
[23:38] <haylo> to*
[23:38] <lx-berlin> alkafoo: but i dont to buy a new one. if my discs are fine and its a configuration error
[23:38] <iceroot> !paste | glioros
[23:38] <glioros> Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS \n \l , root , No packages found matching nano.
[23:38] <bastidrazor> haylo: you should use "someone's" nick so comments are directed at the correct person.
[23:39] <alkafoo> lx-berlin: right, just a suggestion, in case you had one lying around but hadn't thought of it
[23:39] <iceroot> glioros: so if you are root, there is no reason to use sudo
[23:39] <Barnabas> haylo, I have worked a lot with users, and if you look at them as noobs you are already figthing a loosing battle
[23:39] <iceroot> glioros: please use this "apt-get install nano"
[23:39] <kostya_> Hi, where I can ask question about linux programming?
[23:39] <iceroot> kostya_: ##linux
[23:39] <alkafoo> kostya_: ##linux, #friendly-coders
[23:39] <kostya_> Oh, thanks.
[23:40] <haylo> Barnabas, i really dont, and i  think you are trying to reprogram your brain by making discrete language choices
[23:40] <glioros> iceroot: just install it
[23:40] <Barnabas> haylo, I just detest the term "noob"
[23:40] <Barnabas> thats all
[23:40] <iceroot> glioros: ok, now you can use "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[23:40] <haylo> ah i see Barnabas i won use it - it is pretty mean
[23:41] <Barnabas> it is
[23:41] <iceroot> glioros: nano is a text-base editor, search for the multiverseline and remove the #, after that, save the file (ctrl + x)
[23:41] <Vashta_Nerada> hey gang, i just set up an ftp server, not sure if i did it right... i try to log on as anonymous and it asks me for a password, blank doesn't work and i never log on successfully
[23:41] <iceroot> glioros: then running "apt-get update" and the multiverse repo should be usable
[23:41] <lx-berlin> so, anyone familiar with smart data who can tell me if this hdd is faulty or not: http://pastebin.com/1Txby5WG
[23:41] <alkafoo> Vashta_Nerada: ftp isn't particularly secure, sure that's what you want?
[23:41] <glick> hi quick question does anyone know why when i try to scp a file it keeps stalling? the web says to use th -l option but my scp doesnt have a -l option
[23:41] <glick> any ideas
[23:41] <iceroot> glioros: also, if possible please dont use the root-account directly, use sudo instead
[23:41] <iceroot> !sudo | glioros
[23:41] <motherbrain> I was at a grocery store and I was looking at the computer hardware they have at the check out line , i.e the scanner ,... I think the company is named or abbrev. as NCR. Does anybody know how this scan software is setup...i,e do they use windows os ,...
[23:41] <alkafoo> glick: like pausing and then continuing?
[23:42] <Vashta_Nerada> alkafoo: no i'm not particularly sure what do you suggest?
[23:42] <glick> alkafoo: no just stalling and thats it
[23:42] <alkafoo> motherbrain: what's on the monitor would be more telling
[23:42] <glick> it doesnt start again
[23:42] <haylo> it uses barcode tech, the program is free in linux motherbrain
[23:42] <alkafoo> motherbrain: using OSes other than Windows is pretty popular for things like that, though
[23:42] <glioros> iceroot:  i cant find # in nano /etc/apt/sources.list so to remove it. sorry for that i am new to all this.
[23:43] <motherbrain> well it is one of those touch screen ( I am talking about big-Y grocery stores )
[23:43] <alkafoo> glick: is there another transfer system you can try between those two boxes?
[23:43] <iceroot> glioros: can you paste the oputout of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[23:43] <Vashta_Nerada> i'm kinda just getting things up and running for now ftp would suit my purposes, i have ssh configured, but i cant seem to transfer files
[23:43] <glick> not really
[23:43] <haylo> motherbrain, you miss the point that scanner is a program that works with a device
[23:43] <iceroot> glioros: no need for a sorry, everyone was a starter first
[23:43] <alkafoo> motherbrain: could be anything, does it matter?
[23:44] <iceroot> glioros: just please remember this "its not a good idea to host a public system if you dont know how to handle the system"
[23:44] <haylo> download the bar code scanner rog motherbrain and you tell us
[23:44] <w30> Vashta_Nerada, what server did you install? I have proftpd installed and it's config file has an anonymous section that just has to have th # beginning removed.
[23:44] <glioros> deb http://mirrors.webfusion.com/ubuntu lucid main restricted universe deb http://mirrors.webfusion.com/ubuntu lucid-updates main restricted universe deb http://mirrors.webfusion.com/ubuntu lucid-security main restricted universe
[23:44] <john_doe_jr> does ubuntu have a convert pdf to html program?
[23:44] <alkafoo> Vashta_Nerada: well if you want something secure, you can use the ssh server with "sftp" or scp
[23:44] <pp7> how to fix this bug?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPqpxXldLlA
[23:44] <alkafoo> Vashta_Nerada: also might /just work/ instead of giving you configuration issues
[23:44] <Vashta_Nerada> ubuntu 11.10
[23:45] <john_doe_jr> does ubuntu have a convert pdf to html program? anybody?
[23:45] <iceroot> glioros: put the word "multiverse" at every end of a line
[23:45] <pp7> john_doe_jr: doesnt open office do it?
[23:45] <Vashta_Nerada> well thank you both w30 and alkafoo, i'll look into all that
[23:45] <motherbrain> Well what I want to know is when you insert your card where does the cable go from the card reader ...i.e is it cat5e is it builtin to the card to send it to a database or something...
[23:45] <iceroot> glioros: deb http://mirrors.webfusion.com/ubuntu lucid main restricted universe multiverse
[23:46] <john_doe_jr> pp7, I don't know I'll look
[23:46] <alkafoo> john_doe_jr: is it digital text, or photographs?
[23:46] <tony_> is it possible to block certain portions of a website from a server
[23:46] <glioros> iceroot: okay just a minute
[23:46] <haylo> yes open office can make like fifteen different types of files john_doe_jr
[23:46] <alkafoo> Vashta_Nerada: oh also, one of my favorite episodes =)
[23:46] <john_doe_jr> alkafoo, nope just text
[23:46] <Resistance> tony_: block from a server, or hide from the internet?
[23:46] <ok_wait> ok so i've discovered that when you change the window title font in gnome-tweak-tool, it changes the 'titlebar_font' value in gconf-editor under apps/metacity/general. the window theme string is there to and it works when changed but only after gnome-shell is restarted. where is the configuration for the other fonts?
[23:47] <Vashta_Nerada> alkafoo: isn't it though?
[23:47] <Vashta_Nerada> :)
[23:47] <alkafoo> john_doe_jr: pdftotext from poppler will probably work, you probably already have it
[23:47] <Dougwiser> http://www.pdfonline.com/convert-pdf-to-html/
[23:47] <alkafoo> Moffat ftw
[23:48] <john_doe_jr> alkafoo, I'm still starting up virtual box ....didn't have it opened
[23:48] <motherbrain> typically how do they hook a card reader (ones for a debit , credit card ,...etc) up to computer ?
[23:48] <alkafoo> john_doe_jr: have what opened?
[23:48] <Resistance> motherbrain: that's a hardware question
[23:48] <alkafoo> motherbrain: usb, driver, OS
[23:48] <john_doe_jr> alkafoo, I use virtualbox..I had to start it up
[23:48] <alkafoo> motherbrain: there's hardware and drivers for every OS out there
[23:48] <Resistance> motherbrain: as well, there's software which processes input of the data
[23:48] <alkafoo> john_doe_jr: ah
[23:49] <tony_> resistance, block from a server
[23:49] <haylo> motherbrain, if you look around you will see barcodes everywhere, i think i am going to make bar code scanner for my tablet
[23:49] <FluxD> In ubuntu 2d login, if I put compiz instead of metacity in the .desktop and xsession file, will it give me a pure compiz expereince without unity
[23:49] <Resistance> tony_: elaborate on what you mean, your statement is kind of ambiguous and therefore not able to be answered in its current state
[23:49] <Resistance> or not
[23:49] <john_doe_jr> alkafoo, I don't see pdftotext installed or in my repositories
[23:50] <alkafoo> john_doe_jr: it's an executable not a package, the package is poppler
[23:50] <alkafoo> john_doe_jr: run 'which pdftotext'
[23:50] <haylo> alkafoo, is happy agian and being nice :)
[23:50]  * alkafoo is always nice
[23:50] <glioros> iceroot: okay just added multiverse
[23:51] <glioros> what i do now ?
[23:51] <haylo> alkafoo is always nice
[23:51] <iceroot> glioros: save it
[23:51] <Resistance> glioros: then update your sources, `sudo apt-get update`
[23:51] <Resistance> so your system knows what's in multiverse
[23:51] <iceroot> glioros: dont use sudo
[23:51] <Resistance> iceroot: is he in as root?
[23:51] <iceroot> glioros: ctrl + x to save to that file
[23:51] <iceroot> Resistance: yes
[23:52] <Resistance> iceroot: did you give the don't-use-root lecture yet?
[23:52] <iceroot> Resistance: sure
[23:52] <iceroot> Resistance: :)
[23:52] <glioros> iceroot: i have done everything you said and now i am getting a new error Package git is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package git has no installation candidate
[23:52] <Barnabas> ubotto should know that
[23:52] <Resistance> glioros: apt-get install git-core might work
[23:52] <iceroot> Resistance: i also gave the "dont host public server if you dont know what you are doing"
[23:52] <Resistance> iceroot: hehe
[23:53] <iceroot> glioros: you run "apt-get update?
[23:53] <Resistance> iceroot: is he trying to set up git repos or just set up git client
[23:53] <iceroot> Resistance: i dont know
[23:53] <haylo> Resistance, your software update didnt work try it agian
[23:53] <glioros> iceroot yes: also installed the git-core
[23:53] <glioros> and i get this error Package git is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package git has no installation candidate
[23:53] <glioros> for this command sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall git libfaac-dev libjack-jackd2-dev \   libmp3lame-dev libopencore-amrnb-dev libopencore-amrwb-dev libsdl1.2-dev libtheora-dev \   libva-dev libvdpau-dev libvorbis-dev libx11-dev libxfixes-dev texi2html yasm zlib1g-dev
[23:53] <haylo> yes that means it exists but you cant get it yet
[23:54] <haylo> its not really an error
[23:54] <iceroot> !info git
[23:54] <iceroot> !info git lucid
[23:54] <staykov> hi, id like my laptop to automatically connect to a wifi connection without using NetworkManager
[23:54] <staykov> anyone know of a n easy way to do it?
[23:54] <mneptok> !info git-cvs lucid
[23:55] <haylo> staykov mine auto connects at startup
[23:55] <iceroot> glioros: what you want? hosting a git-repo or just a git-client?
[23:55] <glioros> iceroot: to install just ffmpeg
[23:55] <glioros> nothing more
[23:55] <iceroot> glioros: what?
[23:55] <alkafoo> staykov: you can do it with the file in /etc/ if you configure it enough
[23:55] <iceroot> glioros: and why git then?
[23:55] <glioros> please see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095
[23:56] <glioros> at Get all of the packages you will need to install FFmpeg and x264
[23:56] <glioros> the second command is not working
[23:56] <staykov> haylo: problem is the monitor had an accident, now i have to go trough the process of logging in etc before i can ssh into it
[23:56] <glioros> the sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall git libfaac-dev libjack-jackd2-dev \   libmp3lame-dev libopencore-amrnb-dev libopencore-amrwb-dev libsdl1.2-dev libtheora-dev \   libva-dev libvdpau-dev libvorbis-dev libx11-dev libxfixes-dev texi2html yasm zlib1g-dev
[23:56] <iceroot> glioros: why you need the latest ffmpeg?
[23:56] <nanobyte> Where does apt-get search for downloads
[23:56] <haylo> staykov basically you need one password before yo can connect to wifi, unless you have some config experance
[23:56] <glioros> iceroot: i dont mind if it is an old version.. just to install it and it is a guide i found on the internet seems to be reliable
[23:57] <MonkeyDust> nanobyte  in the ubuntu repos
[23:57] <glioros> i cant play with the server. there are 150 websites on it
[23:57] <iceroot> glioros: the page you showed me says "there is a different guide for 10.04"
[23:57] <Troy_> http://www.convertpdftohtml.net/ for whoever was looking for a convertor
[23:57] <glioros> iceroot: okay how can i install ffmpeg
[23:57] <iceroot> !info ffmpeg lucid
[23:57] <Resistance> haylo: hm?
[23:57] <alkafoo> Troy_: most Linux installs come with an executable called 'pdftotext'
[23:57] <iceroot> glioros: just run "apt-get install ffmpeg"
[23:58] <iceroot> glioros: and please do me a favor, read the next texts from ubottu
[23:58] <Troy_> alkafoo: didn't know that lol will it just be pdf to text or will it do the full html
[23:58] <iceroot> !repos | glioros
[23:58] <iceroot> !sudo | glioros
[23:58] <w30> FluxD, what worked for me was to open ccsm and uncheck unity and unity grab handles wall; check cube rotate cube and other window functions like move resize etc. and then export that file as a profile to home-something. Make a new ccsm profile and import that file as your new profile and choose to use that new profile.
[23:58] <iceroot> !root | glioros
[23:58] <alkafoo> Troy_: just text, as the name implies
[23:58] <alkafoo> Troy_: there's also 'pdftohtml', but it doesn't really do what you might think it should
[23:58] <alkafoo> Troy_: (that is, it isn't very "good")
[23:58] <glick> what the hell why does scp keep stalling?
[23:58] <glick> !
[23:59] <anynickname> glioros and ubottu, however, you can do "sudo su" to stay has root
[23:59] <alkafoo> glick: since it's probably not Ubuntu specific, you might get more exposure/help at ##linux
[23:59] <bastidrazor> anynickname: sudo -i is the proper method
[23:59] <Nemaanjaa> any way to reinstal python urllib2 module, Ive built the wrong oppened and now cant load any url with urllib2
[23:59] <anynickname> and you can still do stuff like changing user to root (forgot the change user command)
[23:59] <Resistance> iceroot: you know > exists right?
[23:59] <FluxD> w30, the moment I uncheck unity everything freezes
[23:59] <Resistance> iceroot: it allows you to have the bot privmsg a factoid instead of channel message
[23:59] <iceroot> Resistance: yes but i like to control what ubottu is posting


[08:15] <bullgard4> What is meant by 'volume SSN' in ACPI 3.0a specification's Figure 15-5 'OS Initialization'?
[08:48] <magnetron> hello. i noticed that the latest version of aircrack-ng will make it into gutsy. however, the off-the-shelf madwifi-ng cannot make use of the new features of the aircrack-ng suite, unless it's patched. The aircrack-ng provides this patch at http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php#driver_patches. Is this patch applied in Ubuntu?
[12:52] <kraut> moin
[05:25] <DexterF> hi
[05:25] <DexterF> ran into an NFS problem here, the "16 groups limit" namely. is the 2.6.22 src in gutsy patched against this?
[05:29] <mjg59> BenC: The MSI-disabling patches from fesity are missing from gutsy
[05:30] <mjg59> BenC: There's been a large number of patches from feisty that simply never made it to gutsy, and I've asked for a list of them several times. This is the third or fourth regression I've tripped over as a result. Could you please actually generate that list?
[06:51] <bullgard4> How is 'Intel Architecture Personal Computer' defined, particularly what is the difference to 'IBM-PC'?
[07:01] <mjg59> It's not
[07:54] <magnetron> hello. i noticed that the latest version of aircrack-ng will make it into gutsy. however, the off-the-shelf madwifi-ng cannot make use of the new features of the aircrack-ng suite, unless the driver is patched. The aircrack-ng provides this patch at http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php#driver_patches. Is this patch applied in Ubuntu?
[10:03] (verwilst/#ubuntu-kernel) ah, and they get synced back to the main tree manually now and then?
[10:03] (amitk/#ubuntu-kernel) verwilst: in general they are short-lived changes that get into ubuntu
[10:03] (amitk/#ubuntu-kernel) verwilst: yes
[10:04] (verwilst/#ubuntu-kernel) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/132726
[10:04] (ubotu/#ubuntu-kernel) Launchpad bug 132726 in linux-source-2.6.22 "linux-xen for x86_64" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:04] (verwilst/#ubuntu-kernel) in this bug zac bowling says that amd64 isn't patched at all
[10:05] (amitk/#ubuntu-kernel) verwilst: xen support for amd64 has been added to ubuntu this week AFAIK. It should be available next week
[10:05] <verwilst> yeah, i've seen commits 35hours ago :)
[10:06] <verwilst> that's why i was confused :)
[10:07] <verwilst> so next week it's kernel time :)
[10:07] <verwilst> can't wait


[08:47] <hrw> morning
[12:53]  * ogra twiddles thumbs watching lightspark build
[12:58] <ogra> gah
[12:58] <ogra> the linker fails
[12:58] <ogra> :(
[13:01] <hrw> linking qt took so far 1.5GB of memory and still linking
[13:02] <ogra> heh, but it doesnt fail for you at least
[13:02]  * ogra curses intel centric code
[13:02] <hrw> ogra: with 10GB of swap it should not
[13:02] <ogra> armv7l/Debian/lib/liblightspark.so.0.4.4: undefined reference to `fastYUV420ChannelsToYUV0Buffer_SSE2Unaligned'
[13:02] <ogra> armv7l/Debian/lib/liblightspark.so.0.4.4: undefined reference to `fastYUV420ChannelsToYUV0Buffer_SSE2Aligned'
[13:02] <ogra> silly !
[13:03] <hrw> auch
[13:03]  * hrw -> off
[13:04] <rsalveti> hrw: I was only able to pass the linking part with 1gb of swap
[13:11] <ogra> rsalveti, static no-neon change for QT re-uploaded
[13:12] <ogra> waiting for approval
[13:12] <ogra> (just FYI)
[13:12] <rsalveti> ogra: cool, thanks
[13:13] <RobotGuy> We've got Pico Node running on a Beagle-xM with Ubuntu 10.10 now. :)
[13:13] <ogra> congrats
[13:13] <rsalveti> ogra: what is the package version? will push the same one with with neon on the ppa
[13:13] <rsalveti> cool :-)
[13:13] <RobotGuy> Thanks. :)
[13:13] <ogra> rsalveti, ubuntu4.1 again
[13:14] <ScottK> rsalveti: Once it's there, would you please point me at it, I know some people that will definitely want it.
[13:14] <ogra> i hope it doesnt clash with anything, please wait until i have confirmation
[13:14] <rsalveti> ScottK: sure
[13:14] <RobotGuy> Ubuntu is proving way more stable and nice than Angstrom, especially for networking.
[13:14] <rsalveti> ogra: ok
[13:14] <ScottK> ogra: Since it was source accepted the version number is used.  You'll have to bump it.
[13:14] <ogra> slangasek said he removed 4.1 from proposed but i'm not sure that removes everything
[13:14] <RobotGuy> I also have two different wireless dongles working with Beagle and Ubuntu. :)
[13:15] <ogra> ScottK, hmm, k
[13:17]  * ogra hasnt seen any wireless dongles that dont work on ubuntu
[13:17] <RobotGuy> ogra: Cool. :) Ubuntu is very wireless friendly. :)
[13:18] <ogra> we try our best :)
[13:18] <RobotGuy> I think moving to Ubuntu for Pico Node was the best choice. :)
[13:19] <RobotGuy> We are working on getting a 2.6.36 kernel up on it now.
[13:22] <rsalveti> shouldn't be that hard, as maverick's 2.6.35 is quite similar with upstream
[13:22] <RobotGuy> We have a problem with an undefined symbol.
[13:22] <ogra> rsalveti, so ubuntu4.2 it is (and uploaded, waiting for approval)
[13:23] <rsalveti> ogra: ok, that will be accepted
[13:23] <rsalveti> thanks
[13:24] <RobotGuy> When I put a beagleboard on my robot, it will have WiFi. :)
[13:26] <ogra> you will even be able to run a unity robot with it *g*
[13:26] <RobotGuy> Unity robot??
[13:27] <RobotGuy> My robot is W.A.L.T.E.R.
[13:33] <RobotGuy> Right now, I am focused on Pico Node though, and getting it completed.
[13:40] <ogra> hmm, so it needs that for lightspark to build we need some assembler guy to re-write the SSE asm stuff for arm
[13:40] <ogra> to bad
[13:43] <hrw> ogra: since ubuntu uses .35 kernel I do not see such neither
[13:43] <hrw> ogra: lucid ignored one of my wifi dongles
[13:43] <ogra> bad dongle :P
[13:44] <ogra> i just said i havent seen any that doesnt work ... doesnt mean that there arent any
[13:44] <hrw> very good dongle ;D
[13:44] <ogra> :)
[13:44] <hrw> 80211n one
[13:45] <ogra> well, all i have and all my friends have did work :)
[13:46] <ogra> but then i dont buy exotic HW
[13:47] <hrw> ;)
[13:47] <hrw> it was cheapest 802.11n usb dongle
[13:47] <hrw> worked fine with my x86 machines
[13:50]  * ogra goes for food
[14:49] <Neko_> hey guys if I have a kernel with built-in modules like pata and then replace it with a kernel with pata as a module how do I force initramfs-tools to include that module if it cannot detect it
[14:52] <Neko_> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules should suffice right?
[14:58] <cwillu_at_work> Neko_, it should, although initramfs.conf -> MODULES=most should take care of it to, I'd expect
[15:02] <ben_kludged> eureka    pretty simple install maverick on beagle  did the aptitude install for the full gui but then had to aptitude install for the x11vnc   cannot start the x11vnc any ideas?
[15:02] <cwillu_at_work> Warning:  cwillu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, including warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose.  Do not consume cwillu.  If injested, contact a kernel developer immediately.  Not suitable for children under the age of 24.  May cause addiction.  May cause insanity.  May cause slight tingling in the fingertips when exposed to sunlight.
[15:02] <ogra> if modules.dep is properly generated it should just be pulled in
[15:10] <Neko_> cwillu_at_work, modules=most doesn't seem to cover it and I can't work out where it gets this list
[15:14] <cwillu_at_work> modules.dep as ogra said
[15:14] <cwillu_at_work> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules should suffice, it's just nice to have things working properly
[15:15] <cwillu_at_work> (and by nice, I mean very nearly vital :p)
[15:17] <Neko_> modules.dep doesn't really tell anything to initramfs-tools though does it?
[15:18] <Neko_> like "I actually need this to boot"
[15:18] <Neko_> it will just pull in the ones the ones you list are dependent on too
[15:18] <Neko_> how would it know from modules.dep that pata_fsl is required to boot from pata
[15:18] <cwillu_at_work> that's what the "most" is for though
[15:19] <Neko_> how does it tell what to not put in
[15:20] <Neko_> is there a list of modules pointless to have in initramfs which it culls out so most != everything?
[15:21] <dmart> dunno - I guess everything except storage and filesystem-related drivers are not useful in there
[15:21] <dmart> You could try booting with rdinit=/bin/sh and see what modules actually end up loaded in the initramfs environment
[15:26] <ogra> you might have toi add the module in question to hook_functions, some module sets are hardcoded in there
[15:26] <ogra> i.e. network card drivers definitely are
[15:29] <ogra> have a look at the auto_add_modules() function in there
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> at which point you might just want to add the damn module to the modules file :p
[15:36] <ogra> well, if the module sits in a proper kernel dir it will get auto copied
[15:36] <ogra> i guess its another of these broken platform modules
[15:36] <cwillu_at_work> I'm trying to remember if pata is the deprecated one
[15:37] <ogra> that dont live in the right kernel subdir
[15:37] <ogra> it should live under kernel/drivers/ata
[15:37] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., isn't it unified with scsi now?
[15:37] <ogra> then it should live in kernel/drivers/scsi
[15:37] <ogra> or if its more generic it shoudl live in kernel/drivers/block
[15:38]  * cwillu_at_work waits for his home machine to answer the phone
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> using ide on that one, it'll know :p
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> ... pick up the syn
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, dynip fail
[15:39]  * cwillu_at_work retries the ip from his webserver
[15:40] <cwillu_at_work> there we go
[15:40] <ogra> oh, there is also kernel/drivers/ide :)
[15:40] <ogra> that might be very old pata
[15:40] <cwillu_at_work> that's the one that's deprecated
[15:40] <ogra> yep
[15:41] <cwillu_at_work> Neko_, which module are you looking for again?
[15:41] <ogra> well, initramfs-tools cpoies it nontheless
[15:41] <ogra> *copies
[15:41] <cwillu_at_work> Neko_, there's no "pata" module
[15:41] <cwillu_at_work> not sure there ever was
[15:42] <cwillu_at_work> just a bunch of device specific pata_*.ko
[15:42] <cwillu_at_work> pata_fsl
[15:42] <ogra> i guess thats what he means
[15:42] <cwillu_at_work> I don't have that driver
[15:43] <ogra> likely living ion some odd platform subdir
[15:43] <ogra> instead of a kernel subsystem dir
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> I checked the whole modules folder
[15:43] <ogra> you dont have his kernel :)
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> and I'm not looking at an arm machine
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> (what arm machines have ide on them, that actually work with recent ubuntu?)
[15:43] <ogra> that too, but he likely uses a special fsl kernel as usual
[15:44] <ogra> none
[15:44] <ogra> dove has SATA
[15:44] <cwillu_at_work> Neko_, quit using non-existing hardware
[15:44] <ogra> we dont support FSL anymore, but i think their latest babbage boards have a plain PATA port
[15:44] <ogra> so theye might also use pata_fsl
[15:45] <ogra> but i cant tell, since we dont support it anymore :)
[15:45] <ogra> (the releases of FSL babbage we supported didnt have PATA)
[15:54] <hrw> pata_fsl is in 2.6.31-fsl tree
[15:54] <hrw> and it is using libata
[15:55] <ogra> well, the auestion is where the module lives
[15:55] <ogra> *question
[15:55] <ogra> must be a path that initramfs-tools copies
[15:55] <ogra> else its left out
[15:55] <hrw> ./drivers/ata/pata_fsl.o
[15:55] <ogra> and initramfs tools only cares for proper kernel subsystem dirs
[15:56] <ogra> kernel/drivers/ata is copied with MODULES=most
[16:02] <Neko_> okay
[16:02] <ogra> boot with brak=premount
[16:02] <Neko_> lemme get back with steev and see if he can get some debug
[16:02] <ogra> *break=premount
[16:03] <ogra> that will drop you into the initramfs shell so you can inspect
[16:03] <Neko_> ok
[16:03] <ogra> if it really lives in that dir, i would suspect it gets copied but doesnt load
[16:03] <Neko_> that is the effect we're assuming
[16:03] <ogra> right
[16:04] <Neko_> but before we think, why doesn't it load, I wanted to make sure it wasn't just not there
[16:04] <ogra> same thing as with your audio modules i suspect
[16:04] <Neko_> well I modularized those only yesterday otherwise they were built-in
[16:04] <ogra>         ata)
[16:04] <ogra>                 copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/ata
[16:04] <ogra>         ;;
[16:04] <ogra> thats from hook-functions
[16:04] <ogra> one part thats run for MODULES=most
[16:05] <ogra> it means it recursively copies all .ko files below that dir
[16:07] <Neko_> yeah I see it I just don't "believe" it :)
[16:07] <ogra> well, it works :)
[16:14] <hrw> ogra: there were rumours that natty wants to get rid of initrd
[16:14] <ogra> hrw, huh ?
[16:14] <ogra> i doubt that
[16:14] <ogra> since lucid you *can* boot without initrd
[16:15] <ogra> but only if you dont use a certain set of packages
[16:15] <rsalveti> hrw: hehe, you were dreaming probably ;-)
[16:15] <suihkulokki> i guess they might want to get rid of current initrd generation scripts
[16:15] <rsalveti> I know you don't like it :-)
[16:16] <ogra> well, initrd is supposed to be switched to upstart completely
[16:16] <ogra> so yeah, the scripts will heavily change
[16:16] <hrw> I just hope that natty will still allow to boot without initrd
[16:16] <ogra> but as long as we offer dm-raid or lvm or encryption for any disk stuff, initrd will not be dropped
[16:19] <hrw> sure, but for toys like ac100/efikasb you usually do not do that
[16:21] <ogra> oh, and mountall
[16:21] <ogra> fsck need mountall from initrd before the rootfs is mounted RW
[16:21] <ogra> that would have to be changed
[16:47] <GrueMaster> ogra: wrt the qa testing of the daily images, I hadn't tested them because I didn't see them.  They are being posted at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current instead of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/ (i,e. not in /ports).  My mirror scripts didn't see the change, nor did my browser.
[16:47] <GrueMaster> I do check daily.
[16:48] <hrw> have a nice weekend
[16:48] <ogra> GrueMaster, hmm, that might be due to persia's quest of letting ports die
[16:48] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/ has the right images though
[16:49] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Well, if this is permanent, I'll need to update my mirror scripts.
[16:49] <ogra> no idea if thats permanent or even how they got there
[16:49] <GrueMaster> Nice for people to tell me.
[16:49] <GrueMaster> hrmm.
[16:49] <ogra> but i'd suspect its due to some cdimage reorganization
[16:49] <ogra> there was a BOF for it at UDS
[16:49] <GrueMaster> Also, only omap4 images.
[16:49] <GrueMaster> Yea, I kind of missed UDS.
[16:49] <ogra> yes
[16:50] <ogra> the schedule was online :P
[16:50] <ogra> we dont have omap3 kernels yet
[16:50] <ogra> so no omap3 images either
[16:50] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:50] <ogra> and i dont expect them before A2
[16:50] <persia> Yeah, but I failed to publish the announcement about the change.  I'll get that done in the next 48 hours (have to fix a couple scripts along the way)
[16:50] <GrueMaster> What's the hold up?  Ubuntu vs Linaro kernel?
[16:51] <ogra> GrueMaster, right, see the ML discussion
[16:51] <ogra> waiting for a statement from kernel and security teams
[16:51] <ogra> if it is clear we dont get any support we will build omap3 but only as unofficial images
[16:52] <GrueMaster> That shouldn't stop us from building dailies for testing.  They're unsupported anyways.
[16:53] <GrueMaster> The rest is paperwork.
[16:53] <ogra> we dont have a kernel
[16:53] <ogra> i cant build images without one :P
[16:53] <GrueMaster> Can't use the existing maverick kernel?
[16:54] <ogra> its gone
[16:54] <persia> The documentation for adding kernels is supposed to be published before Alpha-1, but there may not be time to actually use that documentation before then to make a kernel.
[16:54] <GrueMaster> Huh?  How so?  It is a release package in main.  It shouldn't be gone.
[16:55] <persia> GrueMaster, The "linux" source package no longer provides that binary package.  It's not uncommon for the set of binary packages to change between releases.  Oh, and "main" doesn't mean anything :)
[16:55] <ogra> it is built from linux
[16:55] <ogra> linux doesnt build that flavour in natty
[16:56] <ogra> we need to move the linaro kernel to main
[16:56] <ogra> which i wont do until the discussion has settled
[16:56] <GrueMaster> Ok, I (kind of) get it.
[16:57] <ogra> building with universe kernel will put a lot of extra work on us which i'd like to justify first
[16:57] <ogra> i.e. by security and kernel team refusing to take the support
[16:57] <persia> Why?  It's a two-line change, and if care is taken with the seeds, doesn't otherwise affect the image.
[16:58] <persia> Should be independent of who offers to maintain the kernel.
[16:58] <persia> (or the timing of that offer)
[16:59] <ogra> heh
[16:59] <ogra> two line change ?
[16:59] <ogra> we need a universe mirror on antimony for that
[16:59] <ogra> and way more than two lines
[17:00] <persia> Isn't that already present for building Xubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Studio, and Mythbuntu?
[17:00] <ogra> not that i know of
[17:00] <persia> How do those get built then?  I thought it was the same infrastructure.
[17:00] <ogra> in any case i wont bother for omap3 until thats sorted
[17:00] <GrueMaster> We don't currently build those for arm.  They may exist for other arch's.
[17:01] <GrueMaster> But I do agree that we shouldn't hold up test image builds for paperwork that can get sorted over time.
[17:02] <persia> Which one is antimony again?  I thought that was separate from the livefs builders.


[22:15] <guest93758> Hi, what's going on with #ubuntu-us-foo, everything is down but you guys?
[22:15] <guest93758> (OK, I've only checked 7, but, hey...)


[12:23] <bitwiseshiftleft> question: on amd64 emulating i386, is there a sigaction syscall?
[12:27] <jbailey> all the i386 syscalls should be emulated.
[12:29] <bitwiseshiftleft> ok.  so i should #define __NR_sigaction to... what?
[12:30] <bitwiseshiftleft> 67?
[12:32] <bitwiseshiftleft> (I'm trying to compile wine and it's failing for lack of an __NR_sigaction
[12:32] <bitwiseshiftleft> )
[12:36] <bitwiseshiftleft> well, anyway, thanks
[12:39] <zul> heylo
[12:57] <BenC> lamont: I thought we fixed the elilo prompting
[01:00] <lamont> BenC: dunno - it's because of the existance of /etc/$LOADER.conf (grub doesn't have one...)
[01:00] <lamont> that was a fresh dist-upgrade from breezy+security to dapper
[07:54] <Keybuk> BenC: ping
[07:55] <fabbione> Keybuk: it's like 2 am in BenC's land .)
[07:55] <fabbione> :)
[07:57] <Keybuk> bah :p
[07:57] <fabbione> you are up early today...
[07:58] <Keybuk> trying to get back to a sensible sleep pattern
[08:02] <dilinger> 2am :(
[12:57] <fabbione> ** Warning: "spi_populate_ppr_msg" [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.ko]  undefined!
[12:57] <fabbione> *** Warning: "spi_populate_width_msg" [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.ko]  undefined!
[12:57] <fabbione> *** Warning: "spi_populate_sync_msg" [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.ko]  undefined!
[12:57] <fabbione> *** Warning: "spi_populate_ppr_msg" [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic79xx.ko]  undefined!
[12:57] <fabbione> *** Warning: "spi_populate_width_msg" [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic79xx.ko]  undefined!
[12:57] <fabbione> *** Warning: "spi_populate_sync_msg" [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic79xx.ko]  undefined!
[12:58] <fabbione> BenC: ^^ this is today's git
[12:58] <fabbione> (i386)
[01:11] <fabbione> BenC: please pull from my branch when you can
[01:11] <fabbione>   Changes by Fabio M. Di Nitto
[01:11] <fabbione>   * Pull updates from David S. Miller sparc branch to fix some smp issues.
[01:11] <fabbione>   * Make IOSCHED deadline default on -server* configs (x86 and x86_64).
[03:04] <zul> heylo
[06:37] <zul> BenC: ping you havent updated the git tree in a while im afraid i might be out of sync.
[06:39] <BenC> zul: you're right, I'll push in just a bit
[06:39] <zul> okie dokie thanks
[06:39] <fabbione> hey BenC
[06:39] <BenC> hey fabio
[06:40] <fabbione> BenC: mind to pull from me and push?
[06:40] <fabbione> i have the same issue as zul
[06:40] <BenC> ok
[06:40] <fabbione> i did config changes that i fear are going to conflicts
[08:39] <zul> heylo