[00:21] <a2enmod> svn question.. I managed to setup svn on a seperate machine than I am on, have got a repository called mysite and from netbeans I managed to commit for the first time but I cannot seem to find the actual files on the machine that I commit to
[00:21] <a2enmod> where are the files stored?
[02:38] <sisto> evening
[06:17]  * UndiFineD makes some rooster noises
[07:38] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:40] <MartijnV1S> \o
[08:38] <Apacheuk> morning all o/
[08:39] <Apacheuk> or is it too early?
[08:39] <diplo> it's normally quiet this early, morning
[08:39] <MooDoo> morning
[08:43] <Apacheuk> I just downloaded the natty alpha so I can test it on a spare laptop I have, when I try and burn it to disk its reporting its too large (716.6mb) for burning
[08:45] <diplo> yeah it's to big for a CD
[08:45] <diplo> I take it that's why there is so much work slimming down other apps
[08:45] <Apacheuk> ok, I think I got a dvd disk round here somewhere
[08:46] <diplo> usb pen ?
[08:46] <diplo> jono bacon did a tutorial on his site
[08:47] <Apacheuk> its way too early for tutorials :)
[08:50] <daubers> Morning
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:50] <Apacheuk> hello
[08:51] <daubers> Apacheuk: It does say that in the release notes
[08:52] <Apacheuk> yeah, I can see that...... now that I've read them :)
[09:06] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:06] <MooDoo> hello
[09:06] <daubers> o/
[09:07] <Apacheuk> hello
[09:14] <exobuzz> im not sure. after boozing till 5am its wise to be awake during the hangover
[09:15] <exobuzz> my current feeling is that i've made a mistake.. starting around 9pm last night
[09:24] <gord> huh,  itv and 4 on demand are coming to the playstation 3, thats kinda interesting
[09:36] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:36] <bigcalm> I don't want to do work today. Just want to continue coding my clock/alarm app for the Joggler
[09:36] <bigcalm> Hi AlanBell
[09:36] <JamesTait> Happy Monday!
[09:36] <bigcalm> Bazz?
[09:37] <Apacheuk> hello
[09:39] <screen-x> morning all :)
[09:40] <screen-x> what are those revo-like viglen boxes called?
[09:40]  * screen-x finds tonywhitmore's mpc-l blog post :)
[09:41] <bigcalm> screen-x: what do you want to do with one?
[09:41] <bigcalm> They are horribly under powered
[09:41] <screen-x> My boss is after a print + backup server that's cheaper than a revo.
[09:41] <bigcalm> I guess it'll do that
[09:41] <bigcalm> Slowly
[09:42] <bigcalm> I'm just a little bitter as I bought one to be a web dev server. Not long after I bought a Revo
[09:42] <bigcalm> The MPC-L isn't great at number crunching, but should cope with being a print server and do backups slowly
[09:44] <screen-x> bigcalm: at the moment he backs up over wifi to a machine with usb connected disks, so speed may not be a big issue.
[09:44] <screen-x> wifi however might be..
[09:44] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:44] <bigcalm> Yes, no internal wifi
[09:44] <bigcalm> USB wifi is cheap though
[09:44] <bigcalm> Personally I'd plug it into a router though
[09:45] <bigcalm> Also, ditch the print server, get a network printer :)
[09:46] <kazade> morning all
[09:46] <bigcalm> Hi kazade
[09:47] <Apacheuk> playing around with natty this morning, I like the idea of "unity" but I miss my applications menu
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> Ive disabled unity
[09:49] <kazade> I'm trying to like unity..
[09:49] <kazade> The more I use/learn about it, the less I like it
[09:50] <bigcalm> It's very irritating on my netbook
[09:51] <kazade> I got rid of indicator-appmenu the moment I installed it..
[09:51] <kazade> I hate global menus :)
[09:55] <Apacheuk> adding new apps is not intuitive IMHO, I had to got the wiki in order to figure it out
[09:55] <Apacheuk> maybe thats just me
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> yeah but it's DESIGNED for USABILITY
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> so it MUST be good!

[09:55] <kazade> Apacheuk, I haven't figured that out yet!
[09:56] <kazade> MartijnVdS, I'm not totally convinced it is..
[09:56] <kazade> I think it's designed around decisions that Mark is making (e.g. window controls), rather than a clean-slate and usability studies
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> someone buy Mark a mac please 8-)
[09:57] <kazade> I mean, I notice now that the window controls interfere with dock autohide atm and when the controls move into the panel (on a desktop? wtf?) they will be right next to the Ubuntu button
[10:02] <Apacheuk> oh no a spider just crawled into my printer
[10:02] <Apacheuk> I tried to squish it before it made it in, but missed
[10:02] <kazade> quick, print something :)
[10:02] <Apacheuk> :)
[10:04] <Apacheuk> printing now
[10:04] <Apacheuk> no traces of bits of spider
[10:43] <kazade> jeez, our server farm want us out by Jan 1st or they want another year contract ... we're mid-way through moving to AWS :/
[10:44] <kazade> so now I have 2 weeks to move all our services to Amazon - no pressure!
[10:45] <bigcalm> Where has the year gone?
[10:45]  * czajkowski stabs sharepoint
[10:45] <czajkowski> .c
[10:46] <evilchristel> czajkowski! hows bath?
[10:46]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski, as she don't like hugs
[10:46] <bigcalm> uCo2Shaj
[10:46] <evilchristel> she loves hugs!
[10:46] <czajkowski> evilchristel: soo pretty
[10:47] <evilchristel> (maybe just with me tho)
[10:47] <evilchristel> it is pretty isnt it
[10:47] <bigcalm> Humm
[10:47] <evilchristel> do you go straight from there to ireland ? :)
[10:47] <czajkowski> yes next saturday
[10:47] <evilchristel> looking forward to it?
[10:48] <czajkowski> aye should be nice
[10:48] <czajkowski> 2 weeks over there
[10:48] <czajkowski> back on the 31st and not back at wwork till the 4th
[10:49] <evilchristel> :D
[10:51] <screen-x> kazade: late comment, but do you use puppet or something like that?
[10:52] <directhex> bigcalm: you probably want to change that
[10:52] <bigcalm> directhex: I would if it were of any importance
[10:53] <bigcalm> directhex: Copy/pasted from pwgen. Needed something random for a client's WP site
[10:55] <popey> morning all
[10:56] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[10:56] <MooDoo> morning alan
[10:56] <bigcalm> popey: working on a JS alarm clock. Once I figure out how to disable the screensaver, I think it'll become quite useable
[10:56] <kazade> screen-x, puppet?
[10:57] <screen-x> !info puppet
[10:57] <screen-x> http://www.puppetlabs.com/
[10:58] <davmor2> morning all
[10:58]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski get the week off to a nice start
[10:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah! looser :p
[10:59] <screen-x> davmor2: don't listen to him, your reformation is going well.
[11:00] <MooDoo> screen-x: at this rate i'll be chief of the czajkowski poking club lol
[11:00] <kazade> screen-x, probably overkill for us, although thanks for the link
[11:00] <davmor2> screen-x: why it goes downhill from here and czajkowski knows it :D
[11:12] <X3N> agh
[11:13] <X3N> I've explained how this new mail system is going to work to one person, now they send out an email to everyone on how it's going to work but got it wrong, now I have to scoop up the mess
[11:14] <X3N> well, they didn't get it wrong, which is half the problem they were really vauge and confusing
[11:15] <bigcalm> Status of a friend makes me glad not to be a lady: Why is it that every time I wax my brows and stache I end up looking like a domestic violence victim?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> next time, shave 8-)
[11:23]  * dutchie wonders why offlineimap keeps failing assertions
[11:25] <dutchie> seems to be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396443 :(
[11:25] <bigcalm> Can you do a string replace in mysql?
[11:26] <dutchie> which should have been fixed
[11:26] <dutchie> bigcalm: UPDATE, no?
[11:27] <bigcalm> dutchie: That's how to update a record, yes. But not how to replace a substring within a field
[11:28] <dutchie> i think you'd have to use substatements or something
[11:28] <bigcalm> Got it
[11:28] <bigcalm> UPDATE wp_options SET option_value = REPLACE(wp_options, 'from', 'to');
[11:30] <bigcalm> Oops, 2nd instance of wp_options should be option_value
[11:31] <popey> dutchie: i used to have issues with offlineimap
[11:33] <dutchie> popey: what sort of issues?
[11:33] <popey> it crashed
[11:33] <popey> doesnt anymore
[11:33] <popey> it used to not like being inside screen and window resizes
[11:34] <Daviey> popey: irssi used to crash with me doing that sometimes...
[11:34] <Daviey> ... if i resized too fast
[11:34] <popey> yeah
[11:34] <popey> same here
[11:34] <dwatkins> wow, I've never seen irssi crash
[11:34] <dutchie> it seems to be particular messages that crash it here, not screen resizing
[11:35] <dutchie> just like that debian bug from 2006
[11:35] <dutchie> :(
[11:35] <popey> use upstream offlineimap?
[11:35] <popey> I've done that before
[11:35] <dwatkins> I manage an IRC infobot which crashes if you say 'exchange' at the beginning of a line (no, I'm not even kidding) :)
[11:35] <Daviey> ...
[11:36] <Daviey> dwatkins: surely not just that string?
[11:37] <dwatkins> Daviey: yes, I commented-out the offending lines in the perl source
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> it's appropriate though ;)
[11:41]  * popey anticipates kaushal to arrive imminently
[11:43] <screen-x> \\o    _o/   _o_   \o_   o//  last.fm is on a roll this morning.
[11:44] <dwatkins> Daviey:        and ( $message =~ /^\s*(?:ex)?cha_NO_DO_NOT_RUN_YOU_MUPPET_nge\s+/i or $m
[11:44] <dwatkins> essage =~ /^\s*currenc(?:ies|y) for\s/i )){
[11:47] <Daviey> :/
[11:49] <dutchie> *sigh* offlineimap from git has the same problem
[11:49] <dwatkins> Daviey: my modifications, of course
[11:49]  * dutchie starts a thread on the ML
[11:56] <Laney> mmm ML
[12:02] <bigcalm[mob]> Bored, wish I had brought my netbook
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: what are you listening to on lastfm?
[12:10] <screen-x> "my mix"
[12:12] <bigcalm[mob]> I forogt how quiet it got in here at luncy
[12:12] <bigcalm[mob]> Lunch
[12:14] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: including Gorillaz, Morcheeba, The Prodigy, Röyksopp and Logistics
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: add some Lemongrass :)
[12:17] <bigcalm[mob]> Lemon Jelly
[12:21] <popey> MOO!
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: Woof
[12:22] <screen-x> feeding time at the #uk-zoo?
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> Time for some more tea!
[12:38] <davmor2> popey: OMO! back, from the dyslexic cow
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://www.omo.com/ ?
[12:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: ha that's areil over here I think :)
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: we have that as well :)
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> (also, that's P&G, OMO is Unilever :))
[12:41] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Oh are might be daz then
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: that's also P&G :)
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: the logo matches Persil, but not the one we have over here :)
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omo_(detergent)
[12:44] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: ah it's surf
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> I'm always amazed at the number of brands those companies (Unilever, P&G) sell
[12:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yeah there is a lot of it over here,  we have PCworld, Currys Dixons.   And somehow I thought they were a German brand originally
[13:31] <Pendulum> (wikipedia is agreeing with me)
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> they're one of three networks in NL as well
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> Y^HVodafone too
[13:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> When using it, talk like this you must hm?
[14:08] <popey> http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=159296 eek
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: around the corner?
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's where brobostigan lives I think. My Sister-in-law lives in a village a few miles away.
[14:10] <popey> it is
[14:12] <directhex> oh, i know a couple who live round the corner
[14:13] <directhex> hah, you can report crimes to tvp via the web
[14:13] <directhex> whatever next? "subject: fire!!!!"
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> directhex: nah, that'd be twitter
[14:14]  * dutchie is reminded of the it crowd
[14:15] <directhex> dutchie: yup!
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> We had part of a flat explode here last week (~500m from where I live)
[14:15] <popey> 0118 999 881 999 119 725
[14:16] <popey> 3
[14:16]  * popey sings to himself
[14:16] <Azelphur> better looking ambulance crews
[14:16] <Azelphur> :D
[14:16] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:16] <Azelphur> faster response times!
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/06/netherlands.explosion
[14:17] <dutchie> that sounds quite a lot worse than i imagine it was
[14:17] <dutchie> like "omg the entire country has exploded"
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: http://www.alphenstadfm.nl/images/nieuwsitems/7602.jpg
[14:18] <dutchie> :o
[14:18] <dutchie> quite a hole
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: the floor is cracked as well, so the entire column will have to be rebuilt
[14:20] <popey> blimey
[14:21]  * czajkowski stabs sharepoint
[14:23] <kazade> popey, Did you type that number from memory? or is it only me that's sad enough to have memorized it? :)
[14:23] <popey> On advice of council, I decline to answer.
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> kazade: !info glipper ;)
[14:26] <screen-x> 90k/s from releases.ubuntu.com :(
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> try <countrycode>.releases.ubuntu.com
[14:30] <screen-x> ah yes, that would have been sensible
[14:31] <daubers> czajkowski: You echo the sentiments of the majority of the sharepoint userbase
[14:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Alfresco (LGPL): an alternative to Sharepoint.
[14:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> On that note - must be off. School run and swimming this afternoon. :-(
[14:34] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Car would be quicker
[14:34] <popey> hello otaku_coder
[14:41] <czajkowski> balor: re your sound issue yesterday, same happens me today on ibm thinkpad . how odd
[14:41] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: not our choice clients.
[14:42] <diplo> Sharepoint is the devils work :) Had to spend a fair bit of time on it myself
[14:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: tell your computers to stop coming out in sympathy with others faults :P
[14:47] <balor> czajkowski: Did you figure out how to fix it?  As I now know the fix.
[14:48] <balor> czajkowski: And how do you do your identi.ca to twitter bridge...I used to know this stuff when I were a lad.
[14:48] <czajkowski> balor: nope not fixed it, kinda busy and tis work lappy
[14:48] <czajkowski> balor: I post to identi.ca and it goes to twitter, or use gwibber and post at the same time
[15:01] <czajkowski> balor: you off this week ?
[15:01] <czajkowski> balor: did you resort to putting fedora on the latop
[15:01] <balor> czajkowski: I'm not off.  Just working from home.
[15:02] <balor> czajkowski: The sound issue means you have to turn the left channel up to 90% and the right channel down to 10%
[15:02] <balor> czajkowski: I think they're using a stereo mix for noise cancellation
[15:02] <balor> czajkowski: Which kinda makes sense....but....
[15:03] <balor> czajkowski: To fix it for the mother in law, I proscribed an external mic.  A much easier solution.
[15:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Meteor shower - http://philbull.livejournal.com/57174.html
[15:19] <czajkowski> balor: interesting, thanks
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/79ab79b3_cake_fail.jpg
[15:22] <bigcalm> :)
[15:26] <daubers> Considering setting up a corporate jabber server... not sure chich server to run though
[15:26] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[15:26] <daubers> MattJ: Any advice welcome :)
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> ejabberd seems to be often-used
[15:26] <MattJ> daubers: I wrote Prosody, so... :)
[15:27] <MattJ> I used to use ejabberd, that's the main reason I wrote Prosody :)
[15:27] <daubers> I've used ejabberd before and it was a pig
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> haha.. "I'm sick of niche language #1, so I'm writing something in niche language #2"
[15:27] <MattJ> daubers: I've heard it called worse :)
[15:28] <daubers> MattJ: Heh
[15:28] <MattJ> MartijnVdS: language isn't really an issue, and I don't think many people would argue that Lua is more cryptic than erlang
[15:28] <MattJ> and "niche" doesn't really affect anything
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> MattJ: true, but why not Python or C or some such
[15:29] <MattJ> Language becomes an issue when like ejabberd, you force the config, logging and crash dumps into an inflexible erlang syntax
[15:30] <MattJ> As an example, ejabberd has ejabberdctl, and Prosody has prosodyctl - both need running as root if the server is installed system-wide
[15:30] <MattJ> This is what happened when I ran ejabberdctl without root: http://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/ejabberd_error.txt
[15:30] <MattJ> and this is what happens when you make the same mistake with prosodyctl: http://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/prosody_error.txt
[15:31] <MattJ> and Python is too heavy for a lightweight server, Lua is tiny
[15:32] <MattJ> and C is nice, but development is slow and it's easy to make crasher bugs
[15:32] <MattJ> Lua integrates very nicely with C, which is another plus point - some Prosody routines (like base64 encoding/decoding) are written in C for efficiency
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> http://linux.die.net/man/3/l64a ;)
[15:33] <bigcalm> Easy way of converting 3gpp to mp3?
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 3gpp contains video (or can)
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ffmpeg -i file.3gp file.mp3
[15:34] <popey> ffmpeg
[15:34] <popey> standard answer
[15:34] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: audio recorded on my phone
[15:34] <bigcalm> Ta
[15:34] <bigcalm> :)
[15:34] <daubers> MattJ: Actually prosody is quite nice to setup....
[15:34] <bigcalm> Now I sound like Waffle :(
[15:35] <MattJ> daubers: thanks - I'd be very sad if it wasn't :)
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> you might have to specify bit rates etc.
[15:35] <daubers> MattJ: Having just done it in the last five minutes... I think ejabberd needs to go in the bin!
[15:36] <bigcalm> Unsupported codec (id=73728) for input stream #0.0
[15:36] <bigcalm> :(
[15:36] <bigcalm> I wonder if I can record something from skype
[15:48] <andylockran> anyone good on mod_proxy - need to make the proxy server invisible, so that the request comes from the client ip, rather than the proxy server - any ideas?
[15:49] <MattJ> That's like asking how to spoof someone's IP :)
[15:49] <MattJ> Proxies can add a header though, X-Forwarded-For
[15:49] <andylockran> ok, that'll do
[15:49] <MattJ> I think Apache already does this by default
[15:49] <MattJ> but the receiving app has to be aware of it (and parse it securely)
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> yeah that was a headache :)
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> We had IP-based access
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> then added reverse proxies (+ x-forwarded-for)
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> so then we had to add X-forwarded-for checking, but only do it if the IP was that of a valid proxy
[15:53] <daubers> Woot! Corporate jabber up and running :)
[15:53] <MattJ> MartijnVdS: Did your code handle multiple X-Forwarded-For headers, and a comma separated list if IPs? :)
[15:53] <MattJ> *of
[15:53] <MattJ> daubers: Yay!
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> MattJ: Yes it does. Only takes the last one (added by the last proxy: the one we're talking to)
[15:53] <MattJ> Good show
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> Good thing I had abstracted IP/ACL checking just a few months before, or it would have been hell :)
[15:54] <MattJ> :)
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> legacy code--
[15:56] <MattJ> +1
[15:56] <czajkowski> danfish: ping
[16:05]  * bigcalm pokes html5 audio with a stick
[16:05] <gord> noooooo
[16:05] <gord> keep web pages silent, thats how they should be
[16:06] <bigcalm> BWUHAHAHA
[16:06] <bigcalm> Trying to get a JS inserted clip to auto play
[16:06]  * gord starts working on a html 5 blocker
[16:06] <bigcalm> It works in FF but doesn't loop
[16:06]  * BigRedS supports the idea of not looping
[16:06] <bigcalm> Doesn't autoplay in Chrome but does loop
[16:07]  * czajkowski pokes gord
[16:14] <gord> poking gord just makes him louder and more obnoxious!
[16:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] LibreOffice: Document Foundation Steering Committee Public Phone Conference 11-Dec-2010 -- Voice Recording - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/libreoffice-document-foundation-steering-committee-public-phone-conference-11-dec-2010-voice
[16:21] <czajkowski> gord: you're quiet as a mouse
[16:26] <gord> mice can be pretty loud if you have them cornered... and the bite. its always fun when your cat brings one in the house
[16:29]  * davmor2 randomly annoys czajkowski and runs off pulling faces
[16:30]  * czajkowski trips davmor2 up and goes back to her documents
[16:49]  * daubers gives the office xserver a wallop
[16:49]  * awilkins wallops the MS Office Communications Server
[16:50] <daubers> blasted xserve's like a one legged stool, keeps falling over
[16:51] <danfish> czajkowski: pong
[16:54] <andylockran> howdy
[16:55] <czajkowski> danfish: got the name of that pub aain
[16:55] <czajkowski> *again
[16:56] <davmor2> daubers: no it doesn't well not if you bed it in the grown deep enough :)
[16:58]  * awilkins dies of boredom and goes home
[16:59] <daubers> davmor2: Then it's more of a stepping stone, less of a stool
[17:00] <bigcalm> Uploading to YouTube takes a while...
[17:01] <danfish> czajkowski: sure, it's the Northcote
[17:01] <davmor2> daubers: barstalls only have one leg
[17:01] <bigcalm> Or it might just be my phone
[17:01] <bigcalm> The Daft Punk album for Tron 2.0 is a fun listen
[17:01] <popey> yeah, i found it took a while too
[17:02] <bigcalm> popey: Joggler video on its way to the interwebs. Sit right there
[17:02] <bigcalm> Taken using my Nexus One, which didn't want to focus on the display's text sadly
[17:02] <popey> :)
[17:02] <czajkowski> danfish: thank you
[17:02] <bigcalm> But I'm pleased with my work so far, all JS
[17:03] <popey> yeah, my kodak zi8 was hard to focus
[17:03] <popey> had to hold it real close
[17:03] <popey> so couldnt get the whole screen in the frame
[17:03] <popey> so opted for iphone which did focus
[17:03] <bigcalm> I might do the next video in daylight and use my Lumix
[17:03] <czajkowski> aye I do find the camera annoying on the HTC :(
[17:03] <bigcalm> 70%
[17:03]  * bigcalm whips the phone
[17:04] <bigcalm> The camera on the Nexus One is great :) It's the video that has let me down
[17:04] <bigcalm> 1st time I've used it though...
[17:06] <bigcalm> Right it's uploaded, now to whip YouTube until it's finished processing
[17:07] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcBJIA_7HpQ
[17:08]  * popey watches in HD
[17:09] <bigcalm> That makes it look worse
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a robot :)
[17:09] <bigcalm> I am a robot
[17:09] <bigcalm> (said in a robot voice)
[17:09] <popey> heheh, thats funny
[17:10] <andylockran> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-baD9_Q5Kg - if you goto 2 mins 50 :)
[17:10] <daubers> This remote working is fantastic. Especially when you can take over a computer next to a colleague to show them why they're wrong :D
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: she is not a robot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_oMD6-6q5Y  8-)
[17:10] <popey> why is it so many people put videos on youtube with no audio?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> popey: copyrighted music?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> (hence yt silencing them)?
[17:10]  * bigcalm copyrights his voice
[17:10] <popey> nah
[17:10] <popey> its not that
[17:11] <popey> people make silent videos
[17:11] <bigcalm> popey: haha, nice comment
[17:11] <andylockran> it's retro innit :)
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> throwback to the 1900s :)
[17:12]  * bigcalm feels pleased for a bit
[17:12] <bigcalm> Right, best catch up on some work
[17:13] <Ng> popey: what's wrong with silent videos if what you're conveying is visual?
[17:20] <popey> because often it's nice for someone to explain what's going on
[17:20] <popey> often it's not clear what they're showing
[17:20] <popey> and silent films are from the past
[17:21] <Ng> popey: suggest to youtube that if they detect a silent film they could offer to inject liberally licensed muzak ;)
[17:22] <screen-x> Should I use a 64bit kernel for a VM server with 48GB of ram? or use pae?
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> 64 bit
[17:23]  * MartijnVdS hasn't had a reason to run a 32-bit kernel for years now.. on a desktop
[17:23] <popey> oooo
[17:23] <popey> google latitude in ios store
[17:23] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: thanks. Having just installed 32bit (habbit) do I need to reinstall, or can I just install a package for a 64bit kernel?
[17:24] <screen-x> popey: with background updates?
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you'll need to do a reinstall
[17:24] <screen-x> booo
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> it's possible to upgrade 32 bits to 64, but it's a bit hacky :)
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> a big bit
[17:24] <screen-x> ok
[17:24] <popey> screen-x: ya
[17:25] <screen-x> thanks MartijnVdS, will get on it.
[17:25] <screen-x> popey: yay, if only my 3g supported iOS "multitasking"
[17:27] <daubers> screen-x: You mean ctrl+z and fg surely?
[17:27] <daubers> :p
[17:27] <screen-x> :p
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> I love how android solves that
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> at least on the API level
[17:28] <screen-x> "This app is incompatible with this iphone" /o\
[17:28]  * Flashtek grins
[17:29] <popey> wheeeee
[17:33]  * daubers ponders the best place to get a real christmas tree
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> local forest?
[17:33] <screen-x> daubers: a forest
[17:33] <screen-x> daubers:  !sweeden
[17:34] <daubers> screen-x: Heh
[17:34] <daubers> There is both a B&Q and a homebase not far away... not sure if they'd have them
[17:35] <daubers> The horrid url http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/templates/content_lookup.jsp?content=/content/knowledge/buying_guides/christmas/xmastrees_guide.jsp suggests it to be so
[17:37]  * screen-x despises diy.com and wellbeing.com get a url that matches the name of your company
[17:37] <screen-x> I am not going to think "hmm I want to do diy, lets see if diy.com exists"
[17:38] <Flashtek> indeed
[17:38] <daubers> screen-x: wellbeing does redirect to boots.com
[17:38] <screen-x> good, it didn't used to.
[17:38] <daubers> (other pharmaceuitical chains may also exist)
[17:38] <popey> well, technically lots of sites have different websites than their parent company
[17:42] <bigcalm> http://www.jkhp.it/OS-tan/desktops.htm # awww
[17:42]  * daubers goes to buy a chrustmas tree
[17:43] <Flashtek> make one out of cat5
[17:44] <AlanBell> daubers: I went hunting for my tree
[17:44] <daubers> AlanBell: Was it wiley and cunning?
[17:45] <AlanBell> it was in whitley and cunning
[17:45] <daubers> heh :)
[17:45] <AlanBell> there was a help yourself forestry clearup of invasive pine trees
[17:46] <daubers> :)
[17:46] <Flashtek> sweet
[17:46] <AlanBell> great fun, take a bow saw and let off some agression!
[17:47] <AlanBell> the trees were a bit sparse this year, not as nice and bushy as the ones last year from a similar clearup at Frensham
[17:47] <Flashtek> best thing for agression is a crow bar
[17:47] <screen-x> Flashtek: nooo someone did that to my house :(
[17:47] <Flashtek> uh oh
[17:49] <AlanBell> the tree I hacked down last year would have cost about £100 from a garden centre
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> nice thing about living alone: no need to do any christmas decoration :)
[17:55] <paln> Hello!
[17:58] <popey> hello paln _H
[17:58] <paln> popey: How are you?
[17:59] <popey> tickety boo, you?
[17:59] <_H> paln: you missed an I out
[17:59] <_H> me? popey I am getting fired
[17:59] <paln> "I out"?
[17:59] <_H> paln:  palin
[17:59] <popey> _H: I didn't
[17:59] <paln> _H: huh?
[17:59] <_H> it was a joke
[18:00] <popey> Ah, humour. I've heard of that.
[18:00] <paln> _H: wotev
[18:00] <paln> popey: ;)
[18:00] <paln> popey: Hey, I thought of something this morning relating to my RAM...
[18:01] <_H> popey: I just asked mother for money
[18:01] <_H> :(
[18:01] <_H> I'm 22 and acting like a teenager
[18:01] <paln> popey: Couldn't I just put on a Linux-Swap partition to accomodate for my useless amount of RAM during the Installation?
[18:02] <popey> paln: no
[18:02] <popey> well
[18:02] <popey> yes
[18:02] <popey> and no
[18:02] <popey> more no than yes though
[18:02] <paln> popey: ??? Why's that?
[18:02] <popey> paln: it will die swapping
[18:03] <paln> Ahh...so it's possible, but would just take Eternity?
[18:04] <popey> it would
[18:04] <paln> hmph.
[18:04] <popey> tried puppy linux?
[18:04] <paln> Anyways, I just burnt a copy of GPartEd so I can make my install partition for Xubuntu...
[18:04] <popey> or DSL
[18:05] <popey> I wouldn't bother with xubuntu
[18:05] <popey> it's too hungry
[18:05] <paln> Why not?
[18:05] <paln> Hungry for what?
[18:05] <popey> RAM
[18:05] <popey> DSL or Puppy, or Crunchbang, maybe Lubuntu
[18:05] <paln> Yeah, but I downloaded the alternate CD, which only requires 128MB RAM
[18:06] <paln> So, I'm gonna go test GParted...BRB!
[18:06] <hamitron> is Lubuntu mature yet?
[18:07] <AlanBell> it has been around some time
[18:07] <popey> define mature
[18:07] <AlanBell> ask in #lubuntu I guess
[18:07] <popey> it's more mature than unity :)
[18:07] <hamitron> by mature, I mean old and getting to a point of perfection
[18:07] <hamitron> :)
[18:08] <popey> name something that is?
[18:08] <AlanBell> me!
[18:08] <hamitron> :D
[18:08] <hamitron> Ubuntu is up there tbh
[18:08] <popey> that event horizon of perfection is getting further away by the day AlanBell
[18:09] <hamitron> but I was using MS Windows as the scale to judge perfection I'm afraid :(
[18:09] <paln> Well, tbh, Ubuntu one of the most famous Linux distros out there...
[18:09] <paln> It would seem Unity would gain popularity through UNE more thatn it would if it was ported to Desktop Edition
[18:09] <paln> Personally, I have Unity installed
[18:10] <paln> So I can choose at login...
[18:10] <paln> Unity loads quicker
[18:10] <paln> MUCH quicker!
[18:10] <hamitron> never used Unity
[18:10] <paln> you can do: sudo apt-get install unity
[18:11] <paln> It'll atke about 2 mins to download all the dependencies...
[18:11] <paln> popey: Say, how much RAM does GParted-Live need?
[18:11] <popey> no idea
[18:12] <hamitron> more than 64Mb
[18:12] <paln> Doesn't matter...it's booted now!
[18:12] <paln> hamitron: I've got 128MB
[18:12] <paln> The Ubuntu/WinVista lappy I'm using now has 2GB
[18:12] <hamitron> you are hoping to run Xubuntu?
[18:12] <hamitron> :|
[18:13] <paln> Oh, how I adore the constant improvement to the technological world!
[18:13] <popey> ah good, someone else who thinks xubuntu wont run well in 128MB
[18:13]  * popey points paln at hamitron
[18:13] <popey> see
[18:13] <hamitron> it doesn't work well on 256Mb ;/
[18:13] <popey> heh
[18:13] <hamitron> I personally use LXDE
[18:14]  * popey points paln at hamitron some more
[18:14] <popey> paln: listen to hamitron, he's frugal with hardware ;)
[18:14] <popey> (in a good way)
[18:14] <hamitron> I was gonna ask if that was good or bad ;)
[18:14] <paln> Thanks for that :)
[18:15] <paln> Alirght, GParted's done loading XWS
[18:20] <popey> right, stuff this for a lark, I'm going home
[18:20] <hamitron> o/
[18:20] <paln> GParted is taking forever to recognise my partitions!
[18:21] <paln> It still says "Searching /dev/sda partitions"...argh!!!
[18:21] <paln> Oh...it's done
[18:22] <paln> What's the difference between MB and MiB
[18:22] <popey> 24
[18:22] <popey> :)
[18:22] <paln> and don't say "Men in Black" either!
[18:22] <paln> heh?
[18:22] <popey> there is a wikipedia page which explains it nicely
[18:22] <popey> !MiB
[18:22] <popey> bah
[18:23] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix
[18:23] <popey> that one
[18:23] <paln> alrighty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiB
[18:23] <popey> right, really going now
[18:23] <paln> couldn't be bothered to type it in my browser...
[18:23] <paln> popey: Why?!
[18:23] <paln> Mebibyte...?
[18:23] <ormiret> also man units is a good explanation
[18:24] <dutchie> http://xkcd.com/394/
[18:24] <dutchie> ^^ silly explanation
[18:24] <paln> Oh, right!
[18:25] <paln> binary bytes are the ones divisible by 8
[18:26] <paln> and metric are like, MB GB, right?
[18:26] <hamitron> !lucid
[18:33] <dutchie> paln: all bytes are 8 bits on any computer you see nowadays
[18:33] <dutchie> the difference is once you start talking about kilobytes (= 1000 bytes) and kibibytes (= 1024 (2^10) bytes)
[18:34] <BigRedS> KB = kilobyte, KiB = Kibibyte
[18:34] <dutchie> then different people mean different things when they write kB or KB or KiB...
[18:34] <paln> dutchie: I get the 8bits = 1B
[18:35] <dutchie> oh, seeing "8" confused me
[18:35] <dutchie> "powers of 2" wouldn't have
[18:35] <paln> but is it... 1024 MiB = 1GiB; 1024GiB = 1TiB
[18:35] <dutchie> yes
[18:35] <paln> and then of course... 1000MB = 1GB; 1000GB = 1TB, right?
[18:36] <dutchie> yes
[18:36] <dutchie> though not everyone agrees on this
[18:36] <paln> oh yeah...doubling!
[18:36] <AlanBell> that one is a maybe
[18:36] <paln> dutchie: Whaddya mean "not everyone agrees"? Why wouldn't they?
[18:36]  * hamitron doesn't
[18:37] <BigRedS> some people use 'MB' o be 1025 KB
[18:37] <BigRedS> *to be
[18:37] <AlanBell> well because fundamentally it is in powers of 2
[18:37] <AlanBell> so units of 1024
[18:37] <BigRedS> and 1024
[18:37]  * BigRedS can't type
[18:37] <AlanBell> but marketing people can't handle that
[18:37]  * hamitron was scared for a second some use 1025 now
[18:37] <paln> How are you guys putting those notifications up like "BigRedS can't type", sent by "*"
[18:38] <paln> ?
[18:38] <paln> I wanna know.
[18:38] <AlanBell> so it depends at which point the technology people hand over the counting to the marketing people
[18:38] <BigRedS> paln: start the line wih '/me'
[18:38]  * AlanBell tells paln to say "/me says foo"
[18:38] <BigRedS> so '/me can't type'
[18:38] <BigRedS> hamitron: Well, it's a nice compromise.  It's arguably more 'correct' to use 1024, but easier to use 1000. So 'kib' _always_ means 1024b since kb normally means 1000b
[18:41] <paln> so, can i put up a not with some1 else's display name?
[18:41] <paln> e.g '/hamitron blah blah blah'?
[18:41] <paln> *not=note
[18:41] <BigRedS> the people that use 1000 in general wont be persuaded to use different notation to highlight the fact that the multiple is 1000
[18:41] <BigRedS> paln: no, but if you start aline with someone's name it's highlighted on their client
[18:41] <BigRedS> normally
[18:41] <paln> i kno that...
[18:42] <paln> BigRedS: duh(!)
[18:42] <BigRedS> haha, ah, fair enough
[18:42] <paln> IRC acts as if it's a personal message
[18:42] <paln> well, with XChat anyway
[18:42] <paln> g2g
[18:42] <paln> will be bak in an hour or so!
[18:42]  * paln is leaving for...reasons.
[18:43] <hamitron> all this tech talk got him hot and "ready" no doubt
[18:43] <hamitron> ;)
[18:44] <BigRedS> haha
[18:47] <hamitron> hmmm
[18:47] <hamitron> brb, lost my coffee
[18:47] <jacobw> lost?
[18:48] <hamitron> yeh, left it in another room
[18:49] <hamitron> found it easy this time though
[18:49] <hamitron> :)
[18:49] <hamitron> earlier I took 20 mins to find it and it was cold by then :/
[18:51] <jacobw> heheh, i would have given up after about 2 minutes
[18:52] <hamitron> bbl, gonna get bacon butty to keep me going till later
[18:52]  * hamitron gone
[18:55]  * jacobw barfs
[18:56] <jacobw> eating anything seems to be causing me a few hours of stomach pain these past few days:(
[19:09] <Azelphur> Anyone know where to get a cheap reasonably spec'd machine to install Ubuntu on?
[19:09] <Azelphur> ideally looking about £200
[19:09] <Azelphur> Laptop, I should say.
[19:11] <davmor2> Azelphur: for about 300 any supermarket 200 is more your second hand market
[19:11] <dmdrummond_> Azelphur: How about a netbook?
[19:11] <Azelphur> dmdrummond_ mum doesn't want a netbook, she says they are too small
[19:12] <Azelphur> davmor2: yea, I'm trying to get new for 200 :p
[19:12] <Azelphur> and I want dual core too :)
[19:12]  * Azelphur is always really evil with his laptop budgets, I got my XPS Gaming laptop for £500, and netbook for £170 xD
[19:12] <Azelphur> both grade A refurb with warranty
[19:13] <davmor2> Azelphur: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/
[19:13] <dmdrummond_> Azelphur: care to share where?
[19:13] <Azelphur> davmor2: looking like the business, although I know these guys have some really bad reviews
[19:13] <Azelphur> dmdrummond_ gasteiner computers in London, but I spent ages badgering
[19:13] <Azelphur> I called him every day for about 2 weeks :D
[19:14] <dmdrummond_> Azelphur: I guess it pays off
[19:14] <dmdrummond_> :-)
[19:14] <davmor2> Azelphur: I won't vouch for them serverdirect their sister company is great though no issues at all
[19:14] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:15] <Azelphur> davmor2: I'm pretty sure I heard about them on the ubuntu planet as being a nightmare
[19:16] <davmor2> Azelphur: As I say no comment never used them only their server side
[19:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:20] <dmdrummond> :-)
[19:20] <dmdrummond> I'm me now
[19:22]  * paln has returned.
[19:26] <paln> So, what are you guys up to now?
[19:27] <BigRedS> I think 'fragrance' adverts are the new cigarette adverts
[19:27] <BigRedS> in that they make no sense whatsoever, and don't reference what they're selling until they do so explicitly at the end
[19:28] <Flashtek> BigRedS: agreed..
[19:31] <paln> BigRedS: ;) that's kinda true...
[19:31] <paln> abstract ads, my teacher calls them
[19:32] <mgdm> BigRedS: yes, I was thinking something similar
[19:32] <mgdm> BigRedS: there's a particularly nonsensical one just now involving an interview with some bloke
[19:33] <BigRedS> mgdm: That "I will not be predictable" one?
[19:34] <mgdm> BigRedS: thassit
[19:35] <mgdm> utterly bonkers :)
[19:35] <BigRedS> yeah, and quite badly acted
[19:35] <BigRedS> unless it's supposed to be like that
[19:35] <BigRedS> but I've no idea what theyre getting at with iot
[19:36] <daubers> Woot!
[19:36] <daubers> Christmas tree arrived and installed!
[19:36] <daubers> Just need to wait for it to settle a bit before decorating :D
[19:36] <BigRedS> whoo!
[19:38] <moreati> daubers: Is it feeling nervous and tense?
[19:40] <paln> daubers: "installed"...really???
[19:41] <daubers> moreati: Well you know, a car journey is a scary thing for a car
[19:41] <davmor2> paln: yeah, daubers heard about a mail client called pine so installed it
[19:42] <daubers> davmor2: :p
[19:42] <daubers> paln: Fitted into it's stand and watered = installed
[19:43] <daubers> http://yfrog.com/gzfrenj \p/
[19:43] <daubers> hmm
[19:43] <daubers> \o/
[19:43] <daubers> better
[19:44] <paln> davmor2: pine, huh? hmmm... ;/
[19:44] <paln> ;\
[19:44] <paln> that one looks more like it's thinking than ;/
[19:44] <paln> that's just a weird winky face
[19:44] <AlanBell> stop anthropomorphising trees, they don't like it.
[19:45] <AlanBell> http://twitpic.com/3fnjvw
[19:45] <daubers> \o/
[19:45] <daubers> IT'S CHRISTMAS!!! </noddy.
[19:46] <davmor2> AlanBell: wow you managed to bolt your tree to the wall :D
[19:46]  * BigRedS is one of them heathens :) http://twitpic.com/3cldw9
[19:47] <jacobw> christmas makes me feel grumpy :(
[19:47] <daubers> jacobw: You need to watch the Muppet Christmas Carol
[19:48] <jacobw> i think that would make me more grumpy
[19:49] <daubers> jacobw: How can you be grumpy at Gonzo, Rizzo and Michael Caine??
[19:49]  * jacobw grumbles
[19:50] <daubers> jacobw: Mulled wine and a warm mince pie?
[19:50] <jacobw> hmm
[19:50] <jacobw> now that does sound nice
[19:50] <davmor2> Is missing out on Xmas decs this year :'(  no time for them, need to finish moving in, and then boxing day they'd need to be back down to start decorating the new flat  :'(  is liking other people so keep the pictures coming please :)
[19:51]  * paln is soooooooooooo bored...
[19:52]  * BigRedS has error messages that he's quite sure are wrong
[19:53]  * paln is backing up some files to floppy disk
[19:53] <paln> the sound it makes when transferring makes a funky tune!
[19:54] <AlanBell> that is very retro!
[19:54] <paln> retro music for the retro storage!
[19:56]  * paln is becoming more bored...
[19:56]  * paln is leaving...see ya suckers!
[20:00] <daubers> right, lets see if we can speed up this silly python script
[20:02]  * DJones deletes half of daubers script to halve the running time
[20:04] <safiyyah> hey all
[20:04] <daubers> DJones: Tried that, didn't help :(
[20:06] <davmor2> night all
[20:15] <balor> Anyone else in Brighton/Eastbourne having *dreadful* connection speeds?
[20:26] <andylockran> balor: there's a routing problem at LINX
[20:27] <andylockran> anyone give any tips why my z key has become really sensitive on the asus eee
[20:28] <andylockran> i've removed the key, but the plastic nipple underneath only needs a stroke for it to type z
[20:28] <andylockran> i've got a sensitive z nipple and i'm trying to work out how best to desensitise it
[20:29] <balor> andylockran: So the whole world is fscked?
[20:29]  * paln has arrived!
[20:29] <andylockran> balor: many places yeah
[20:29] <andylockran> happened just past 4 i thinj
[20:29] <andylockran> k
[20:31] <paln> Hello Ubuntu UK people!
[20:31]  * paln has arrived!
[20:31] <mgdm> we saw
[20:31] <paln> lol :D
[20:35] <paln> So, how are you guys?
[20:41] <andylockran> good ta
[20:41] <andylockran> you?
[20:44] <paln> I'm cool
[20:44] <paln> busy freeing up some HDD real estate for Xubuntu!
[20:52] <popey> evening all
[20:54] <czajkowski> ello
[20:54] <dutchie> lo popey and czajkowski
[20:55] <dutchie> definitely need to unpack suitcases from university now, it's been over a week :S
[20:55] <czajkowski> dutchie: lazy fecker :p
[20:55] <danfish> evening
[20:56] <danfish> dutchie: leave it long enough and all those unwashed clothes will ferment and explode the suitcases, meaning no unpacking :D
[21:00] <czajkowski> dear dinner please arrive soon
[21:00] <czajkowski> :s
[21:00] <dutchie> that will probably happen while i am sleeping in the bed next to them though, danfish
[21:02] <danfish> dutchie: probably....didn't think of that
[21:03] <paln> czajkowski: already had mine! lamb...
[21:12] <paln> how long would u say it would take to shrink a partition by 8GB?
[21:13] <popey> depends how fast the machine is and how full the partition is
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> wow flash is flaky on natty
[21:13] <popey> 10.2?
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> flashplugin-installer                     <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[21:14] <popey> :(
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> it crashes every second reload
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> even reloads of unrelated pages
[21:15] <daubers> Hmmm
[21:15] <daubers> seems my issue is entirley python related :(
[21:15] <AlanBell> need more christmas tree pictures
[21:15] <paln> popey: 128MB RAM -- as u kno -- and 9.57GiB taken, shrinking from 17.57GiB to 9.57GiB (8GiB off)
[21:16] <AlanBell> paln: would you not have less pain if you used an actual computer?
[21:17] <DanielRM> Hello all.
[21:17] <popey> evening DanielRM
[21:18] <paln> AlanBell: I'm trying to get crappy Windows ME OFF it and put Xubuntu ON it.
[21:19] <paln> so that my sister stops being a retard who's 10.5 yrs older than me can stop bugging me by wanting to use my laptop
[21:19] <AlanBell> paln: get a mini-ITX motherboard with an Atom 330 chip on it and 2GB ram
[21:19] <paln> oh, and she can't deal with speed problems
[21:19] <AlanBell> shove it in the same box
[21:19] <paln> yet, ironically, she has one
[21:19] <paln> laaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzy
[21:20] <DanielRM> popey: how are you?
[21:20] <popey> tickety boo
[21:20] <DanielRM> Good good.
[21:21] <DanielRM> And how's everyone else?
[21:22] <daubers> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/543295/
[21:22] <daubers> Shocking!
[21:22] <paln> well, I'm getting 2GB RAM soon for it (most likely for Christmas...or this week) and a 1TB HDD for it asewll
[21:22] <daubers> How can python be slower on the same task by 3m30s!
[21:23] <paln> daubers: wot's so shocking?
[21:23] <paln> o right...
[21:23] <paln> just read "slower" post
[21:23] <paln> daubers: well, u were slow at the task of revealing wot was so shocking about that log.
[21:23] <popey> paln: I'd be surprised if a machine that came with 128MB supports 2GB or a 1TB hard disk
[21:24] <paln> it's direct hardware tho...
[21:24] <paln> popey: And why is that?
[21:24] <popey> motherboards have limits on what they support
[21:24] <paln> ohhh.
[21:24] <daubers> 17x slower!!!
[21:24] <paln> don't embarass me in front of all these techhies...
[21:25] <paln> ...who happen to use Linux
[21:25] <daubers> Poxy thing. That means I'm going to have to replace all my Python stuff with C++ on the NSLU2 :(
[21:26] <paln> Wohoo! Shrikage complete!
[21:26] <paln> *Shrinkage
[21:26] <mgdm> daubers: psyco or anything like that any good?
[21:27] <DanielRM> So from this I gather that daubers is shocked today.
[21:28]  * paln is shocked the DanielRM just realised the daubers is shocked...shocking!
[21:31] <gord> daubers, or you could not use cpython?
[21:31] <gord> cpython is the slowest thing in the world
[21:32] <dutchie> http://twitpic.com/3fnzcn
[21:33] <czajkowski> dutchie: go unpack
[21:33] <dutchie> AlanBell: ^^
[21:33] <dutchie> czajkowski: :P
[21:34] <popey> sooo diaspora
[21:34] <popey> not very exciting
[21:35] <gord> its yet another social network isn't it? don't feel the need for another one
[21:35] <AlanBell> thanks dutchie 🎄
[21:35] <dutchie> especially one with no-one on it
[21:36] <dutchie> :( my font is sadly lacking that character
[21:36] <AlanBell> not many fonts include U+1F384
[21:36] <daubers> mgdm: psyco?
[21:36] <dutchie> !info python-psyco
[21:37] <gord> daubers, its a c module for python, it dynamically recompiles some python code, its good for lots of arithmetic
[21:37] <gord> daubers, you should try in jython and pypy too at least
[21:37] <daubers> hmmm, all I'm doin is reading an sql db and outputting a csv
[21:39] <moreati> I think psyco is no more, cython is it's replacement
[21:40] <gord> moreati, no, thats wrong in every way
[21:40] <gord> cpython is the default python, the one everyone uses
[21:40] <gord> psyco is a c module that can be used by cpython
[21:40] <moreati> cython replaces something though I'm sure
[21:43] <daubers> Hmmm... no psyco in the debian repo on that p[latform
[21:44] <daubers> Job for tomorrow I think
[21:44] <otaku_coder> hi. I was wondering if I replaced nautilis-wallpaper manager with the compiz manager, would I be able to span a wallpaper properly between 2 screens? native span doesn't work as previous and i know there is a big bug thread for it.
[21:45] <otaku_coder> this is for maverick btw..
[21:46] <paln> i was looking for something similar to otaku_coder, a wallpaper that spans over multiple workspaces
[21:47] <paln> r at least an Ubuntu themed/related wallpaper that repeats itself like a wallpaper in a room does
[21:47] <paln> *or at least
[21:51] <dwatkins> I used to have images of Mars, the Earth and Venus as my wallpaper on three adjacent monitors.
[21:52] <paln> dwatkins: that'd be cool!
[21:52] <otaku_coder> dwatkins: ive got a few downloaded like that, but span just plants them in the middle of the 2 screens, rather than zoom/stretch as it used to be
[21:52] <paln> but i dnt HAVE 3 monitors...
[22:09] <paln> c ya guys
[22:14] <Mez> otaku_coder: *waves*
[22:14] <Mez> otaku_coder: you're referring people here now, instead of to me on twitter, right ? :P
[22:15] <otaku_coder> hi dude!
[22:16] <otaku_coder> haha yeah, figured i'd ask in the right place this time
[23:42] <KarlPoe> Evening
[23:42] <KarlPoe> Anyone care to help me out mounting smb share in Ubuntu Maverick?
[23:42] <KarlPoe> It keeps saying this
[23:42] <KarlPoe> Em... can't find it :)
[23:43] <KarlPoe> Here we go:
[23:43] <KarlPoe> mount error(110): Connection timed out
[23:43] <KarlPoe> Here's how I'm trying to mount it:
[23:43] <KarlPoe> sudo mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/Disk_a1 /media/Seagate -o guest,iocharset=utf8
[23:44] <KarlPoe> Now if I go to smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/Disk_a1 in nautilus, it works just fine


[01:21] <tsimonq2> nhaines, wxl: Our next LoCo meeting will be on Friday, January 8, 2016 from 7:00 PM to 8:00 PM Central Standard Time. You are more then welcome to attend the Hangout and/or IRC during this time. Here is more details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/WisconsinTeam/20160108
[01:21] <tsimonq2> (the Wisconsin one :D)
[01:34] <nhaines> tsimonq2: thanks!
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <Kilos> hi  dholbach svij and others
[07:56] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:13] <svij> morning dholbach and Kilos
[08:22] <dholbach> hi svij
[18:47] <wxl> nhaines: hey could i help with UbuCon in any way that perhaps might justify community donation sponsorship for me to go to UbuCon Summit?
[19:04] <nhaines> wxl: probably not at this point...  Things are pretty lined up and we have all speaker slots filled.  You could maybe help with the Ubuntu booth on the expo floor?
[19:04] <wxl> nhaines: who's in charge of that?
[19:07] <nhaines> wxl: me!
[19:08] <nhaines> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale14x
[19:08] <wxl> nhaines: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm well do you need help with it? XD
[19:09] <svij> nhaines: hah, just realised that I break the record for "the longest speaker talk title at ubucon summit" AND "the longest individual name" :)
[19:09] <nhaines> svij: and the title wasn't even in German!  XD
[19:09] <svij> nhaines: :D
[19:10] <nhaines> wxl: could use some help, and especially if you want some practice for running expos up there, it'd be a good trip to take!
[19:10] <wxl> nhaines: i've done some myself and felt fairly successful, but there's always more to learn. do you need help on particular day(s)?
[19:11] <nhaines> wxl: well, I mean, it'd be a good excuse to justify the sponsorship.
[19:11] <wxl> okie doke, i'll look into it
[19:11] <wxl> thx nhaines
[19:11] <nhaines> I think Friday's going to be a bit tricky because I'll be split between UbuCon and SCALE a little.  José's reliable but he might be doing UbuCon stuff.
[19:11] <svij> wxl: I only said "I might submit a talk" and my funding got accepted
[19:11] <nhaines> svij: I have a recording of myself saying Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän.  :)
[19:11] <wxl> hey nhaines i might submit a talk
[19:12] <svij> but I submitted a talk afterwards anyway
[19:12] <nhaines> Haha, we told Canonical we were accepting svij's talk I think before they accepted his proposal.  :)
[19:12] <wxl> hahahah
[19:12] <svij> haha
[19:12] <svij> nhaines: pssst our little secret ;)
[19:12] <nhaines> Or maybe not, maybe they were thinking it'd be good to have him there because UbuCon Europe could have a Summit thing too.  :)
[19:12] <svij> :)
[19:13]  * svij still needs to book his flight
[19:14] <svij> sturmflut isn't coming. Now I'm probably not staying 10 days over there. I need someone who wants to walk around in LA with me! ;)
[19:14] <nhaines> Aww.  :)
[19:14] <wxl> walk around la? you mean ingest automobile fumes? :)
[19:14] <nhaines> jose plays Ingress, I'm sure he'd walk around LA with you!
[19:14] <jose> wat?
[19:14] <wxl> OOOOH
[19:14]  * jose LOVES LA
[19:15] <wxl> where's the Ubuntu Ingressers Launchpad Team???
[19:15] <svij> I played Ingress too…
[19:15] <wxl> wait a minute are you enlightenment or resistance?
[19:15]  * svij stopped at L14 and 24mio points
[19:15] <jose> wxl: from what you wrote there, I assume you're on the right team
[19:15] <wxl> jose: very politically said :)
[19:16] <svij> the right team was enlightened ;)
[19:16] <jose> RES
[19:16] <wxl> BAH
[19:16] <jose> lol
[19:16] <svij> haha
[19:16]  * wxl high 5s svij
[19:16] <nhaines> brb, emailing Canonical to deny svij's application.
[19:16] <jose> I won't take you for a walk, then
[19:16] <jose> you misspelled your own team's name
[19:16] <jose> thanks, nhaines
[19:16] <svij> I stopped playing ingress 1,5 years ago, after some dude spoof-destroyed my 149 days and 22h old portal
[19:17] <jose> I stopped playing ingress when... wait. I haven't stopped.
[19:17] <wxl> ooooouch
[19:17]  * wxl is just a wee L11
[19:17]  * svij had 3 or 4 office portals
[19:18] <wxl> oh man, mine are just out of reach
[19:18] <svij> that was hard working ehh clicking.
[19:18] <svij> anyway, who wants to walk around in LA for a couple of days with me? :D
[19:18] <wxl> i'm trying to convert my entire workplace to ENL so we can have L8s outside our door at all times XD
[19:18] <wxl> svij: if i make it, i might. we can blow up jose's work. :)
[19:19] <svij> wxl: :)
[19:19] <elacheche_anis> o/
[19:19] <svij> where are you from again, wxl ?
[19:19] <wxl> svij: Oregon
[19:19] <elacheche_anis> Are you talking about ingress o_O
[19:19] <wxl> (US, if that's not obvious)
[19:19] <wxl> elacheche_anis: yep :)
[19:19] <svij> wxl: it wasn't obvious ;)
[19:19] <elacheche_anis> :D
[19:19] <wxl> svij: yeah i suspected as such if you're not from the US :)
[19:20] <svij> atleast it's not as far to LA than from my place
[19:20] <wxl> heck, to a lot of people in the us, i think oregon is a place they know little about
[19:20] <svij> well, I knew orgeon is in the US
[19:20]  * wxl is really thinking about making an LP Ingress team
[19:20] <svij> but it wasn't obviously that you're from US before you told me.
[19:20] <elacheche_anis> I was playing it too.. LvL7 Resitance agent here :D o/
[19:21] <wxl> another RES?
[19:21] <wxl> sheesh i'm surrounded by smurfs!
[19:21] <elacheche_anis> hahahha :D
[19:21] <jose> don't worry, I only want your tears
[19:21] <elacheche_anis> I was playing alone here.. Until my phone died.. Now there is a new team fielding the country..
[19:22] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-webapps/+bug/1408638
[19:22] <jose> ^ against tos
[19:22] <wxl> not my bug
[19:23]  * svij even has a home-portal
[19:24] <svij> anyway, good luck for your funding-thing wxl
[19:24] <svij> and I'll finally meet jose :)
[19:25] <jose> my ticket's already booked!
[19:25] <svij> how long are you staying?
[19:44] <wxl> svij: jose: elacheche_anis: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ingressors
[19:45] <svij> haha
[19:45]  * svij isn't a ingressor (anymore)
[19:45] <wxl> aww fooey
[19:46] <wxl> well i guess you smurfs can join :/
[19:46] <wxl> i'm a little uncertain about the logos, but i passed the buck to the github, so i guess we won't get blamed at least XD
[19:47] <elacheche_anis> wxl: nice :)
[19:48] <elacheche_anis> I'm sharing that with my Local Ingress players :)
[19:49] <wxl> put it on chat elacheche_anis :)
[19:50] <elacheche_anis> wxl: Not sure who's still there.. Ididn't play for a while.. But I know that the 4 persons I know are Ubuntu users, including 2 Ubuntu members :D
[19:50] <elacheche_anis> So, I'll tweet it.. And the active guys will share it with others :)


[10:20] <tjaalton> pushed mesa 11.2.0-rc1 to ppa:tjaalton/ppa
[10:21] <tjaalton> mir-egl patch didn't need work, and it at least compiles
[10:21] <tjaalton> there is a FFE bug for this, but it will be properly tested before pushing to main
[10:59] <alf_> sil2100: Hi! When you get some free cycles, could you please also disable unity-system-compositor jobs in s-jenkins (unity-system-compositor-ci, unity-system-compositor-autolanding etc)
[11:01] <sil2100> alf_: ok, will try to do that in a minute :)
[11:01] <alf_> sil2100: thanks
[13:49] <Saviq> alf_, can you please add me to your CI team so I can steal your device jobs? :)
[13:49] <alf_> Saviq: sure
[13:51] <Saviq> alf_, oh, maybe I'm there already, just was looking at a config from a multi-config job
[13:51] <alf_> Saviq: so, our 'ci team' is actually mir-team
[13:51] <Saviq> alf_, yeah just saw
[13:51] <alf_> Saviq: so you should be there
[13:52] <Saviq> alf_, looking at device-0-flash, find it weird that you flash per label, shouldn't you have it per slave instead? otherwise you rely on the fact that you have just one of each?
[13:54] <alf_> Saviq: I thought that if I select a label in a multiconfig job it would just pick a single node matching that label?
[13:55] <Saviq> alf_, that's correct, but how do you then know that you flash and test on that same slave?
[13:55] <Saviq> I mean a "monitor" job can have a label, but downstream from that you need to stick to a slave
[13:57] <alf_> Saviq: yeah, you are right
[13:58] <alf_> Saviq: perhaps there is a way to constrain the node to be the same for run job as it is for the flash job?
[13:59] <Saviq> alf_, only way I can think of is for the upstream job to run on that slave (throttled to just one per slave) and run downstream jobs on that same slave
[14:00] <Saviq> alf_, otherwise other jobs could get queued on that slave in the mean time
[14:00] <Saviq> I mean, they still could, if you did it manually
[14:00] <Saviq> other than having a single job that does everything in sequence (flash + test)
[14:01] <Saviq> without letting the slave out
[14:01] <Saviq> I think that's the safer approach actually
[14:02] <Saviq> because otherwise you can queue a job on the same slave before the flashing completes
[14:02] <Saviq> and that would "steal" the slae
[15:16] <alan_g> alf_: if you fix the conflict I'll TA
[15:16] <alan_g> https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/unity-system-compositor/log/+merge/274550
[15:32] <alf_> alan_g: thanks, see latest comment on why it can't land yet
[15:34] <alan_g> /sigh! So many barriers to progress!
[18:58] <fsbif> hello everyone. I can't get unity 8 run in ubuntu 15.10
[18:59] <fsbif> it says "unity8-lxc-setup: error: The container already exists." when I try to remove the container
[19:05] <ChrisTownsend> fsbif: Hi!  How exactly are you trying to remove the unity8-lxc container?
[19:05] <ChrisTownsend> D'oh!


[02:09] <ali4728> help I cant logon to my Ubuntu I got this Error message http://pastebin.com/379215 ant help?
[02:18] <ajmitch> ali4728: #ubuntu for help, this channel is only for meetings
[09:57] <chouchou> yo:)


[14:46] <shai> What's the status of mainline kernel builds? The last 6.1.x version is 6.1.34, which was released 14/June
[14:47] <shai> That latest is 6.1.38, which also contains a fix for StackRot (CVE-2023-3269)
[14:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-3269>
[14:53] <klebers> shai, Hello! Independently of the current status of the mainline kernel builds, please note that the mainline builds have *no* support from Canonical, therefore we can't guarantee any timeline for including security fixes.
[15:12]  * esembee waves to apw
[23:29] <Ade> Guys is there any way to reset the xfrm_stat counter?
[23:31] <sarnold> Ade: is that counter known by another name in nstat output? nstat by default only shows *changes* between runs, it might do the job easy
[23:32] <Ade> I didn't understand
[23:33] <sarnold> the nstat program reports a lot of networking counters
[23:33] <sarnold> the names are very different from "xfrm_stat" though
[23:33] <sarnold> I don't know if your counter is listed in nstat output or not
[23:33] <sarnold> I was hoping you would know :)
[23:35] <Ade> Guys, I have a vpn ipsec tunnel, built under strongswan, version 5.9 and suddenly there is no traffic between the tunnels, and it only works when I restart linux, or change the encryption algorithm with that, I have traffic again, I noticed that value is incremented XfrmOutStateProtoError 6080963
[23:40] <Ade> help please
[23:42] <sarnold> oof. I wonder, are there any logs in your dmesg? or strongswan logs? how about the other endpoint?