[04:03] <jason6g> hello all! i have done some research but i am not quite understanding how to do a dual boot setup, can anybody please point me in the right direction?
[04:06] <Pumpernickel> !grub
[04:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:07] <jason6g> thank you for the speedy response, i was reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot and am just wondering if its that simple?
[04:08] <SuprUsr> Hrm, I have a question.
[04:08] <SuprUsr> I've installed Network Manager.
[04:08] <SuprUsr> But, It doesn't show up in my system tray or "notification area."
[04:08] <SuprUsr> And, I don't know the command to start it manually.
[04:10] <Pumpernickel> jason6g: The documentation there is a bit outdated, but it is quite simple.
[04:19] <jason6g> ok, so my understanding is, partition out my main hard drive (currently its set to main c and recovery d) then instal ubuntu onto the new partition, then setup the boot choices and simply run it?
[04:23] <cellofellow> hello friends.
[04:24] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: hey, guess what. I got a wireless-to-wired router working.
[04:25] <cellofellow> ok, I have this Linksys WPC11 v4. On the WifiDocs in the help.ubuntu.com it says it only works with ndiswrapper. OK, whatever. But it still should appear in lspcmcia, and it's not.
[04:49] <SuprUsr> Does anyone know why Network Manager would not show up even though it was installed?
[05:53] <fundies> anyone here tell me if theres anything in these iptables rules blocking pings? http://rafb.net/p/u2RIoe68.html
[07:01] <Jester45> hey cellofellow
[07:01] <cellofellow> hey there.
[07:02] <cellofellow> know anything about rarely-used wifi modules?
[07:02] <Jester45> no
[07:02] <Jester45> im a wired kinda guy
[07:02] <Jester45> 1gbps or bust :)
[07:03] <cellofellow> I un-blacklisted the r818x module, and my Linksys WPC11v4 now works, except when I put in my ESSID, Gardner, it cuts off the last letter and doesn't want to connect.
[07:03] <cellofellow> Jester45: I think 802.11n is 1 Gbps.
[07:04] <Jester45> i dont think any wireless is 1gb
[07:05] <Jester45> and now im starting to get hooked on fibre
[07:06] <cellofellow> hehe
[07:11] <cellofellow> Jester45: hey, I got it. I add an extra letter to the essid, and it works like a charm.
[07:11] <cellofellow> u there?
[07:12] <Jester45> nope :)
[07:12] <cellofellow> lol
[07:12] <cellofellow> there, I was wondering if the wireless had died on me.
[07:13] <cellofellow> well, got other things to test out. Gonna see if power management works.
[07:18] <atarinox> so what's a good time to ping in google?
[07:18] <cellofellow> well, Standby seems to work for about one second, and then it turns back on again. Hibernate works fine, accept the wireless needed to be idown ifup after the restore.
[07:19] <Jester45> atarinox, i got a min/avg/max of 24.753/32.482/83.485
[07:20] <Jester45> but it all depends on your net connections
[07:20] <atarinox> Jester45: oh, ok. guess im not too far off
[07:20] <Jester45> what your bandwidth is and how much your using
[07:21] <Jester45> cable is slower than dsl unless your useing alot of the bandwidth, but dialup has the highest and t-1 is about the lowest pings a home user will get
[07:22] <atarinox> yeah seems like my later packets were a lot slower
[07:23] <atarinox> seems like it progressed to a lot of shit later on
[07:23] <atarinox> not sure why it gets worse as it progresses
[07:24] <Jester45> lets see what a box with 100mbit internet connection that isnt being used at all gets
[07:24] <atarinox> Jester45: what does that mean?
[07:24] <Jester45> its allso at a isp so that removes the time from computer -> router -> modem -> isp -> isp proxy -> isp gateway
[07:25] <atarinox> Jester45: but why would my packets slow down as the test progresses?
[07:25] <Kr4t05|Lap> Okay, for some reason, I can't ssh into my desktop from my laptop, despite the fact that the desktop and router are only 5 feet away.
[07:25] <Jester45> it goes from computer -> switch -> gateway
[07:25] <Kr4t05|Lap> I can ping the box and it replies.
[07:25] <Jester45> atarinox, the modem's cache gets slower
[07:25] <Kr4t05|Lap> However, I try to ssh in and the connection times out. :/
[07:25] <atarinox> Jester45: oh ok
[07:25] <Jester45> ping and ssh are diffrent layers
[07:26] <Jester45> what does it do when you try to ssh in
[07:26] <Kr4t05|Lap> Jester45, Sits there with no return for a few minutes, then gives me a Connection Timed Out error.
[07:26] <Jester45> min/avg/max/mdev = 25.190/25.370/25.650/0.215 ms
[07:26] <Jester45> for the isp box
[07:28] <Jester45> wanna see a better one :) the above box ping time to vidd.us
[07:28] <Jester45>  min/avg/max/mdev = 0.613/0.660/0.716/0.034 ms
[07:28] <Jester45> Kr4t05|Lap, is the ssh server running? can you ssh from the machine into its self via localhost
[07:29] <Kr4t05|Lap> Jester45, Yep.
[07:32] <Kr4t05|Lap> I can't even mount NFS shares from the same box.
[07:44] <Kr4t05|Lap> So...
[07:44] <Kr4t05|Lap> Yeah...
[07:56] <Jester45> i think that someone need to start a group of people that use xubuntu for its looks, feel, and speed not because they have slow pcs
[07:57] <Jester45> i hate when people think that xubuntu is only for slow pcs... like it ran gtk1 or something like dsl
[08:03] <zoredach1_> account on
[08:03] <zoredach1_> ack
[08:08] <Kr4t05|Lap> So, does anyone have any idea why a LAN ssh connection would time-out?
[08:17] <DuClare> I use xfce for it's looks, feel and speed. :]
[11:30] <hyper__ch> !rmbv
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rmbv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <Nevermind> hey there, same probs as yesturday.... Got a keyboard and trying to alocate keys 176 to Volume+, 174 to Volume- and 160 to mute, unmute... I've downloaded xBindkeys and xModmap but don't know what to do with them... anyone help me in binding these keys
[01:35] <DuClare> Nevermind, try xfce's settings once again.. :o
[01:36] <DuClare> Nevermind, 20'59'00 <     Kilroo> I just go to the Shortcuts tab and click the Add button, personally.
[01:39] <Nevermind> tried it. there is no excecuteable file for audio up or down or mute
[01:39] <DuClare> umm
[01:39] <DuClare> can you enter the command by hand?
[01:39] <DuClare> you remember..
[01:39] <DuClare> aumixer
[01:39] <DuClare> or aumix
[01:39] <Nevermind> yeh , aumix -v -5
[01:40] <DuClare> yes, can you enter that?
[01:40] <uptownben> Hi All. I just installed JEDIT (via the jedit installer not the xubuntu installer) and I want to add it to my menu under development or something. How do I do that?
[01:40] <Nevermind> when i do aumix +v +5 it comes up with all the other setttings too
[01:40] <Nevermind> and yeh they all work
[01:40] <DuClare> btw, to raise the volume, you do `aumix -v +5` ;)
[01:41] <Nevermind> :P
[01:41] <DuClare> -v to tell you're modifying _V_olume, and +5 to add five to it. :)
[01:41] <Nevermind> k
[01:41] <Nevermind> it all works in the terminal
[01:41] <DuClare> anyway, I think you should be able to enter the command by hand in the xfce thingie, can't you?
[01:41] <Nevermind> i'll see
[01:42] <Nevermind> WOOOO it works!!! cheers dude
[01:43] <DuClare> glad you got it... bye o/
[01:46] <uptownben> If I install a gnome app (like gnome-rdp) will it install all the gnome libraries also? Will that slow things down when I run that app?
[02:53] <triptec> wtf, sometimes Xorg hogs all resources without doing anything... I have to restart it and its ok for a while... anyone who has any idea??
[03:00] <TheSheep> triptec: what graphics card?
[03:18] <loak> hello all, how can I use a .patch file in the sources of a module witch I need to compil (the omnibook module) ?
[03:32] <TheSheep> loak: man patch
[03:38] <uptownben> If I leave my xubuntu machine idle for a few minutes, the pcmcia network card goes down and the system locks up.. what could it be?
[04:43] <neozen> good morning all'
[04:44] <Nevermind> afternoon
[04:44] <Nevermind> #
[04:44] <Nevermind> anyone know much about wine emulator
[04:50] <TheSheep> !anynone
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anynone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <TheSheep> !anybody
[04:50] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: online?
[05:17] <TheSheep> yep
[05:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and you?
[05:18] <hyper_ch> is there a way how I can move around my progams in the taskbar? change their order?
[05:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: so am I :)
[05:19] <hyper_ch> just doing tons of things at once... you know how that is
[05:20] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I don't use taskbar, so I have no idea
[05:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that can't be... you must know... you know everything about *buntu
[05:21] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: why do you need it?
[05:21] <hyper_ch> because I like to have my apps in a certain order
[05:22] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what for/
[05:23] <hyper_ch> I just like it that way... email first, browser next, then the rest
[05:32] <Win`a`2> Hi
[05:33] <Win`a`2> Why does the graphical Installer mount the sole partition on the sole harddrive when determing the filesystem befor creating a new one on it?
[05:34] <Win`a`2> had to unmount it manually during installation
[05:34] <Win`a`2> :
[05:35] <vidd> Win`a`2, feisty or gutsy?
[05:35] <Win`a`2> stable
[05:36] <vidd> we dont have "stable"
[05:36] <Win`a`2> feisty
[05:36] <Win`a`2> :)
[05:36] <vidd> and you used the live cd?
[05:36] <Win`a`2> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[05:37] <Win`a`2> should have used alternate instead I guess
[05:39] <vidd> and im talking "the world will end if i dont recover that data" emergencies!
[05:39] <retour> My Orage calendar has no entries, its not in autostart menu but ALWAYS starts when my system start - How to stop it?
[05:39] <steve___> :)
[05:39] <vidd> =P
[05:39] <Win`a`2> :D
[05:40] <vidd> retour, is it in init.d?
[05:40] <vidd> retour, you COULD uninstall it =]
[05:42] <retour> Uninstall is at my level of "geekness" BUT I may need it sometimes
[05:42] <retour> vidd: can U give me full path to this magic init.d?
[05:42] <vidd> ??
[05:42] <vidd>  /etc/init.d
[05:42] <retour> thx
[05:42] <retour> BRB
[05:45] <vidd> rc and  rc.local both autostart aps too (and they are listed under the /etc/init.d/ directory) you might want to look at those files to see if it is listed there
[05:45] <retour> vidd: OK there is a s**t load of stuff in this directory - which one may be triggering my Orage calendar?
[05:45] <vidd> Orange
[05:46] <vidd> Orage
[05:48] <retour> OK there is no orage in init.d and no word orage in rc.local - any ideas?
[05:49] <retour> is it possible that my Xfce graphic display is out of synch with setup files or something?
[05:49] <TheSheep> retour: just close it and save the session
[05:49] <vidd> apt-get remove --purge orage && apt-get install orage
[05:49] <TheSheep> vidd: that won't help
[05:50] <vidd> oh...i keep forgetting about that retarted "save session" crap
[05:52] <retour> TheSheep: I'll do it once again to be sure BUT I tried it already I think
[05:52] <retour> BRB
[05:55] <vidd> any luck?
[05:56] <retour> hi! this crap poped back! And I killed it and than checked that save session is active
[05:56] <TheSheep> retour: try deleteing the session data
[05:56] <TheSheep> retour: in ~/.cache/sessions/
[05:56] <retour> everything I find there?
[05:56] <TheSheep> yes
[05:56] <retour> ok
[05:59] <retour> ~/. means root directory or my home?
[06:01] <jarnos> retour, your home
[06:06] <retour> ok deleted everything from sessions cache but Orage popped up again! Any other ideas?
[06:09] <retour> OK time to uninstall it
[06:11] <retour> OK unistall is impossible as it wants to also uninstall Xfce desktop!!!! Who made such a crazy dependencies!??
[06:12] <vidd> retour, xubuntu-desktop is a meta package...you can uninstall it without harm
[06:12] <retour> Oh nice - Thank you!
[06:22] <triptec> anyone who have had problems with rtorrent and moving finiched files
[06:22] <triptec> ??
[06:29] <hyper_ch> triptec: no
[06:30] <vidd> retour, you good now?
[06:30] <hyper_ch> hiho vidd
[06:43] <nalleman> hi, I would like to know what the file manager in xubuntu/xfce is?
[06:44] <CoRnJuLiOx> err... how does one rename multiple files at once?
[06:45] <CoRnJuLiOx> i've got the dialog open, but i dont know how to change the names themselves
[06:45] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: how do you want them to be name?
[06:45] <TheSheep> d
[06:46] <hyper_ch> nalleman: thunar
[06:46] <nalleman> thanx
[06:46] <hyper_ch> nalleman: that's the default one
[06:47] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: ah i think i've got it figured out. well, i want em all to be numbered, from 7 - 26, and they've all got to have [WF]  at the front of their names
[06:47] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: select 'numbering' from the first widget
[06:48] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: are you related to the nick "sheepinpanic"?
[06:48] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: got it.
[06:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[06:48] <hyper_ch> :)
[06:49] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: err, i see i can use regexes to rename files. IIRC there are different flavors of regex, which one does thunar use?
[06:50] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: not sure, I think python's
[06:51] <CoRnJuLiOx> damn straight :-)
[07:00] <CoRnJuLiOx> ergh the regex doesn't seem to be working. could someone lend a hand?
[07:01] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: we would have to see it
[07:01] <CoRnJuLiOx> i've got a file like this: [WF] _School_Rumble_-_25_[70A3E450] .avi, and i'm trying to strip the _s and the [70A3E450]  at the end.
[07:02] <CoRnJuLiOx> i've tried [A-Z0-9] $ to get the stuff at the end of the string
[07:02] <TheSheep> \[\w+\]
[07:02] <TheSheep> \[\w+\] $
[07:03] <TheSheep> or \[[A-Z0-9] \]
[07:03] <CoRnJuLiOx> nice
[07:05] <CoRnJuLiOx> what about the underscores? can i do both in a single regex, or would i have to take two shots at it?
[07:06] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: _|\[\w+\] $
[07:06] <Jester45> how do you install grub from the live cd, i tried sudo grub-install /dev/hda1 bit it says that it cound not fine device for /boot
[07:08] <TheSheep> Jester45: how about sda1?
[07:08] <TheSheep> hda? sda?
[07:10] <Jester45> not found
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, then run the grub shell and do it manually
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: type 'grub' and hit enter
[07:11] <Jester45> k
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: then type 'root (hd0,0)
[07:11] <TheSheep> '
[07:11] <Jester45> i get an error 17 with grub
[07:11] <TheSheep> then 'setup'
[07:12] <Jester45> but it was working just fine the only thing i cahgned was removing the old kernels
[07:13] <Jester45> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[07:13] <The-Kernel> Jester45: put the back!!
[07:13] <The-Kernel> them
[07:15] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: that second one didn't work. it only removed the first _ after [WF] , the rest stayed.
[07:19] <Jester45> TheSheep: i ran grub as root and it didnt give the missing device error
[07:20] <Jester45> but setup said error 11 unredconized device string
[07:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: setup hd0
[07:21] <Jester45> same thing
[07:21] <Jester45> shoudl i do hd0,0
[07:21] <Jester45> that does work either
[07:21] <Jester45> doesnt*
[07:22] <TheSheep> (hd0,0)
[07:22] <TheSheep> I don't remember the syntax :/
[07:22] <TheSheep> !grub | Jester45
[07:22] <ubotu> Jester45: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:22] <VinWista> i like vagina
[07:22] <VinWista> !vagina
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vagina - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <Jester45> !language
[07:23] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:23] <VinWista> !fagalter
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fagalter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <VinWista> wtf!
[07:25] <Jester45> TheSheep: i think that my first partition is messed up... i need to formate it
[07:25] <VinWista> hall have martial memory, the Poets song engage;
[07:25] <VinWista> For in Bellonas cradle was bred a brood of eight,
[07:25] <VinWista> She tended them and nursed them while the big world did wait -
[07:25] <VinWista> Napoleon, Duke Wellington, Charles, Blcher, Souvorov,
[07:25] <VinWista> Karageorge, the tyrants scourge, Schwartzenberg and Koutozov.
[07:25] <VinWista> Strong Ares made them drunken, intoxicate for glory,
[07:25] <VinWista> The whole wide earth did give to them as theatre for their story!
[07:25] <VinWista> Tis from the jungles great that lions great appear,
[07:25] <VinWista> And tis the peoples mighty who genius should rear;
[07:25] <VinWista> Great realms may breed the hero, grant space for glorious deeds.
[07:25] <TheSheep> bye
[07:27] <TheSheep> argh :)
[07:35] <Merchelo> :D
[07:37] <CoRnJuLiOx> wow.
[07:37] <CoRnJuLiOx> that was weird
[08:01] <DexF> hi
[08:01] <DexF> installed xubuntu-desktop on kubuntu, using the same font but it looks different. how come?
[08:03] <DexF> next: i got xfce 4.3.99 - is there no 4.4.1? don't kubuntu and xubuntu sync their repos?
[08:04] <DexF> i just figured the font thing, wrong hinting settings. so nvm that one :P
[08:08] <Jester45> DexF: the repos are the same is one big repo for ubuntu xubuntu and kubuntu
[08:09] <Jester45> you just have diffrent programs installed from it thats why you can use isntall xubuntu-desktop to get xfce and you dont have to add a new repo
[08:09] <DexF> Jester45: friend said hes running 4.4.1 - how come his is newer?
[08:09] <Jester45> do you have feisty? or edgy
[08:09] <DexF> feisty
[08:09] <DexF> he, too
[08:12] <vidd> DexF, it is quite possible he compiled it from source
[08:13] <DexF> nah, not that guy. hmm. maybe he got a backport. gonna ask.
[08:13] <TheSheep> DexF: 4.4.1 is in gutsy
[08:13] <DexF> aha. iirc he mentioned a feisty-backports repos. that would explain it.
[08:14] <DexF> ok, mystery solved. next thing: how do I force xfce to assume 96DPI?
[08:14] <DexF> and: what's the fastest way to add launchers from the menu to the panel? drag and drop doesn't work
[08:15] <vidd> right-click on panel>choose "launcher">configure launcher
[08:15] <TheSheep> DexF: d&d works from desktop into the list in the launcher preferences
[08:15] <vidd> whoops...forgot click add
[08:16] <DexF> TheSheep: what do you mean, "from desktop"?
[08:16] <TheSheep> DexF: you can create launchers on the desktop
[08:17] <DexF> a tad long winded, huh?
[08:17] <TheSheep> DexF: it has a nice user interface, with autocompletion and automatic assigning of icons
[08:17] <TheSheep> DexF: yes, but that nice intrface is not yet connected to the panel launchers
[08:17] <TheSheep> DexF: it's work in progress
[08:17] <DexF> ok
[08:24] <DexF> so - any idea about the 96DPI thing? I could so it via the corg.conf but I'd prefer not to fsck around with that
[08:25] <DexF> *do it
[08:25] <retour> Anybody had luck with runing LKL?
[08:25] <vidd> LKL???
[08:25] <vidd> !lkl
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lkl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <vidd> retour, what is that?
[08:26] <retour> Linux Key Logger - this thing is not able to use own keymaps
[08:26] <retour> Its in repos
[08:26] <TheSheep> DexF: you can set in in .config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb
[08:30] <DexF> TheSheep: Xft.dpi: 96 <- like that?
[08:30] <TheSheep> DexF: yes
[08:30] <DexF> k, thanks
[08:32] <triptec> I get "*** The ncurses library is required!" when I run ./configure, but I have libncurses5 installed... what to do?
[08:33] <TheSheep> triptec: ncurses-dev
[08:40] <Jester45> TheSheep: would you know why i cant copy anything from hda1 to hda3 without it saying there is no space left.... but hda3 has space
[08:40] <Jester45> its only 22% used
[08:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: fat?
[08:46] <maxamillion> mmmmm ncurses
[08:47] <Jester45> hda3 is ext3 hda1 was reiser now its partly broken
[08:47] <Jester45> gparted says its ext3 (but i know its not) grub doesnt know what it is
[08:48] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:49] <Jester45> but... i need to go to work right now... im going to try a reinstall without formating my hda3 its the only one i really need
[09:05] <Mitsunari> Would someone be willing to extend a helping hand to a complete linux-newbie just getting started with xubuntu?
[09:06] <vidd> sure...what do you need?
[09:06] <Mitsunari> Namely, getting my oldie Voodoo 3 card working properly.
[09:06] <vidd> what is the issue with it?
[09:06] <Mitsunari> Can't get the screen resolutions to work
[09:06] <triptec> ./configure: line 21547: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(STUFF, sigc++-2.0 libcurl >= 7.12.0 libtorrent >= 0.11.6,'
[09:07] <triptec> it complains about STUFF... what to do?
[09:07] <Mitsunari> There was something about modifying the xorg.conf on some forum...
[09:07] <vidd> yeah....sounds about right
[09:07] <vidd> what resolutions are available to you?
[09:08] <Mitsunari> But since i can't modify that file using sudo, I'm kind of stuck.
[09:08] <vidd> what do you mean you cant modify it using sudo?
[09:08] <Mitsunari> Only Default and 320x240
[09:09] <vidd> oh...ouch!
[09:09] <Mitsunari> Well... Trying to edit it with nano, but it won't let me save the file (prolly due to Xfce running)
[09:09] <Mitsunari> Like I said, complete newb :D
[09:10] <vidd> well....to modify it, you want to do this:
[09:10] <Mitsunari> And since I have no idea how to kill Xfce...
[09:11] <Mitsunari> Or is it with GDM? I seriously have no idea :D
[09:11] <vidd> sudo [put prefered text editor here]  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:11] <Mitsunari> Done that
[09:11] <Mitsunari> Edited the Refresh and Sync rates in
[09:12] <vidd> you do NOT need to kill Xfce to edit or save the file
[09:12] <Mitsunari> But it didn't let me save it
[09:12] <vidd> in nano, you need to hit [ctrl] [x]
[09:12] <vidd> then [enter]
[09:13] <vidd> sorry...[ctrl] [x] ....[y] ....[enter]
[09:14] <vidd> did you put "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"?
[09:15] <Mitsunari> Error Writing to file etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission
[09:17] <Mitsunari> So, with my logig, either I do not have permission to edit that file, or some other program is using it (which shouldn't be the case?)
[09:17] <Mitsunari> So that's kinda the problem :D
[09:22] <Mitsunari> No insight?
[09:32] <Mitsunari> Is there some sirt of errorlog for nano somewhere?
[09:32] <Mitsunari> sort, too
[09:33] <Ben_Cs> y use nano?
[09:34] <Mitsunari> <- Totally newb when it comes to linux, so yes
[09:34] <retour> Does USB and PS2 keyboards use different hardware ports ?
[09:35] <Ben_Cs> retour: yes as far as i know
[09:36] <Ben_Cs> Mitsunari: nano is ok, but i like gui one
[09:36] <retour> so PS2 is port 0x60, what us for USB??? Or how to check it on my machine
[09:38] <Ben_Cs> retour: sorry, that i don't know. i'm pretty n00b myself
[09:39] <retour> thats ok . thank you anyway
[09:40] <triptec> ./configure: line 21547: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(STUFF, sigc++-2.0 libcurl >= 7.12.0 libtorrent >= 0.11.6,' anyone who might know what it is that I miss? it complaines about STUFF
[09:42] <vidd> Mitsunari, sorry...im on a call @ work.....
[09:42] <vidd> you did not type nano
[09:43] <Mitsunari> huh?
[09:46] <n-iCe> hi
[09:47] <vidd> Mitsunari,  hit [ctrl] [x] ...[n]  .... then hit the [up arrow]  and make sure that sudo is in front of nano.......
[09:48] <Mitsunari> hmm
[09:48] <vidd> if it is not (and i will bet it isnt) hit the [home]  key and type sudo
[09:48] <Mitsunari> Uhm.
[09:49] <Mitsunari> If I type sudo <anything>, it just asks me for my password first, and does nothing. After that, sudo <anything> and nothing happens :D
[10:00] <vidd> hrm....
[10:00] <vidd> sounds like you dont have sudo rights
[10:00] <Mitsunari> Ye
[10:00] <vidd> is this user the only user on this box?
[10:01] <Mitsunari> yes
[10:02] <Mitsunari> Apparently, I should have gone with the other choise, when I downloaded xubuntu... :/
[10:02] <vidd> what other choice?
[10:02] <Mitsunari> Since I downloaded the 6.06.1 version
[10:03] <vidd> are you using the live cd or did you already install?
[10:03] <Mitsunari> installed way back :D
[10:03] <Mitsunari> Don't ask me why :D
[10:04] <Mitsunari> Yeah, well. Thanks for the help, I guess I'll be installing 7.04 tomorrow...
[10:04] <vidd> that will likely fix your issues
[10:04] <vidd> =]
[10:05] <Mitsunari> Hopefully.
[10:05] <vidd> do this: nano /etc/group
[10:05] <Mitsunari> Why is it never easy? :D
[10:05] <vidd> look for admin
[10:06] <vidd> do you see something like admin:x:109:vidd
[10:07] <vidd> where [vidd]  would be your username
[10:08] <vidd> TheSheep, can you use nano in the recovery console?
[10:09] <Mitsunari> there's adm and lpadmin, no admin
[10:09] <vidd> is sudo listed?
[10:09] <Mitsunari> yes
[10:10] <Mitsunari> sudo:x:57:
[10:11] <vidd> strange that there is no admin
[10:11] <vidd> do you know how to get grub to boot the recovery console?
[10:12] <Mitsunari> for some reason, I couldn't get grub working, so it on lilo
[10:13] <vidd> are you getting the 7.04 live or alt cd?
[10:13] <vidd> i recomend the alt
[10:17] <Ben_Cs> i wonder why networking isn't set by default in xubuntu.
[10:17] <vidd> Ben_Cs, what do you mean?
[10:17] <Ben_Cs> network shared folders by other pc's
[10:18] <vidd> its coming in gutsy
[10:18] <Ben_Cs> vidd: i have to go through several config steps and installations to be able to work with my WinXP pc shared folders
[10:18] <Ben_Cs> vidd: i hope so
[10:19] <vidd> i wish it wasnt, but it is
[10:19] <Ben_Cs> vidd: why. you like doing everyrhing manually?
[10:19] <Ben_Cs> ftp for local net? why in the name of god?
[10:20] <vidd> to protect my systems from my windows machines
[10:21] <vidd> its not like my windows machines have anything worth while on them...why make files there shared so hackers have something easy to exploit?
[10:23] <The-Kernel> heh
[10:32] <Ben_Cs> vidd: and ftp is more protected than password protected folders?
[10:33] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: yes
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: good to know
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> but anyways i don't see a reason why would a hacker be interested in my comp
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> they are after companies, not individuals
[10:35] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: if i want to backup my xubuntu, i have to copy only the /usr and /home folders?
[10:35] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: what if someone rather smart with computers you know becomes an enemy
[10:35] <The-Kernel> I've had it happen
[10:35] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i see
[10:35] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: I only backup /home but yeah that'll work
[10:36] <Mitsunari> Yay, it works!
[10:36] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: if u backup only home, you have to re-install all the progs again, no?
[10:36] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: yes, but you need to understand, that it's better to reinstall all the programs
[10:37] <The-Kernel> all the settings to those programs are saved in /home, so after you reinstall them it's like they've always been there
[10:48] <vidd> Ben_Cs, why would a hacker be interested in storing their illegal files and criminal activies on your system rather then their own comp.....hrm...let me think....=]
[10:50] <vidd> oh...and there is also all that valuable personal information stored on your pc (passwords, browsing history, etc)
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> vidd: you mean if a hacker needs a host pc to hack from?
[10:51] <vidd> and personal pc's are (generally) not as well protected against hackers as business computers....
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i see. great
[10:51] <vidd> Ben_Cs, oh...there is that too
[10:52] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: then what i have to copy is not /home but only my user folder in home right?
[10:52] <vidd> Ben_Cs, i would recomend you save the whole /home directory....
[10:53] <vidd> that way you dont forget that report you been working on for the last week....
[10:53] <vidd> =]
[10:53] <Ben_Cs> vidd: well i have WinXP to play games, but when i have $$$ to buy PS3 i would be able to get rid of winblows
[11:09] <The-Kernel> yeah
[11:29] <Ben_Cs> how do i do that when ipod is plugged in, amarok will be opened?
[11:45] <Ben_Cs> something happened and the damned amarok stopped working. is there another good app for ipod?
[11:45] <The-Kernel> gtkpod
[11:45] <Ben_Cs> can it play music?
[11:45] <The-Kernel> no
[11:46] <The-Kernel> just add/delete
[11:46] <The-Kernel> try Exaile
[11:47] <Ben_Cs> hmm been looking in add/remove. how's Rhythmbox?
[11:48] <The-Kernel> Last I used it, it didn't work to well, but I think it can utilze your iPod
[11:49] <Ben_Cs> cool. i'll try
[11:49] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[11:51] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: suppose u have an ipod. what app would u choose from all the available?
[11:52] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: BTW, i use some KDE apps. is there a reason to prefer gtk apps over kde apps?
[11:52] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: for all "4" of my iPods I use GTKpod
[11:53] <The-Kernel> gtk is used over QT(KDE)
[11:53] <The-Kernel> its lighter
[11:53] <The-Kernel> I don't really care, my machines are pretty powerful
[11:53] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: is there an option in gtkpod to add disconnection line: eject /media/ipod?
[11:53] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: yes
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> ok, i'll give it a try
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> i hope some day soon aplle will make itunes for linux
[11:56] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: when i press (in gtkpod) "load ipod" i get: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:56] <The-Kernel> no clue
[11:57] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: they are currently in discussion about having iTunes in linux
[11:58] <Ben_Cs> gtkpod has only 1 first generation ipod preference? wtf?
[11:59] <Ben_Cs> maybe i should download the last version from getdeb.net? cause the repo. one is aufully buggy
[12:01] <Ben_Cs> Ben_Cs: that didn't help either. gtkpod sucks
[12:02] <Ben_Cs> someone wrote in a blog that grkpod don't work with new ipods...
[12:08] <The-Kernel> that's wrong
[12:08] <The-Kernel> I've used ALL the newest ones
[12:08] <The-Kernel> they all work fine
[12:08] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: I think your computer is a bit buggy
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: tried ipod shuffle 2nd gen?
[12:18] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: the small ones?
[12:18] <Ben_Cs> yes
[12:18] <The-Kernel> like the REALLY small ones?
[12:18] <The-Kernel> yes
[12:18] <Ben_Cs> yes
[12:18] <The-Kernel> work fine with me
[12:18] <The-Kernel> actually I take that back, I had one that didn't work right
[12:18] <The-Kernel> the moment the plugged it into the windows machine, everything disappered
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> don't know. something wrong in my xubuntu maybe? just reinstalled xubuntu today.
[12:19] <The-Kernel> except music put on from iTunes
[12:19] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: why did you reinstall?
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> btw, banshee says it don't have codecs?!
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: cause i screwd arround with it and it became buggy
[12:20] <Ben_Cs> didn't screw arround with it today though
[12:20] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: what version?
[12:21] <Ben_Cs> 7.04
[12:21] <The-Kernel> oh
[12:21] <The-Kernel> system specs?
[12:22] <Ben_Cs> intel e2160 cpu. 2G RAM. asrock motherboard. intel g950 graphics
[12:23] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: btw neither banshee nor rhythmbox have codecs to play files from my ipod...
[12:24] <The-Kernel> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[12:26] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i mean uadio files
[12:27] <Ben_Cs> *audio
[12:32] <The-Kernel> yeah
[12:35] <Ben_Cs> didn't help. rhythmbox still shows the sign it can't play it
[12:35] <The-Kernel> does it say which one?
[12:37] <Ben_Cs> i'll try to run it in terminal
[12:39] <Ben_Cs> damn, it print's hell lot of lines
[12:40] <Ben_Cs> here some:
[12:40] <Ben_Cs> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3
[12:41] <Ben_Cs> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[12:42] <Ben_Cs> haaa. to mach of an headache. i'll just use windows for ipod
[12:43] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: btw could it be that i didn't write something right in fstab and it affects something in gtkpod?
[12:44] <The-Kernel> possibly
[12:44] <The-Kernel> but basically if you see the iPof icon on desktop then fstab is working right
[12:44] <The-Kernel> yeah install both lame and ffmpeg
[12:44] <Ben_Cs> i do see. let me show u the line:
[12:45] <Ben_Cs> /dev/sdb /media/ipod auto noauto,users,rw,sync 0 0
[12:45] <Ben_Cs> is it ok?
[12:56] <The-Kernel> sorry aboutthat
[01:04] <Ben_Cs> np
[01:05] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: finally! downloaded the really last version of gtkpod from getdeb. checking it now. at least the app doesn't crash, and has my ipod model in database
[01:12] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: xmms works great with gtkpod


[00:06] <amurray> htop
[12:03] <Fallen> I suspect no membership board meeting due to no candidates to decide on?


[04:05] <ian_brasil> just ran build-arm-rootfs and it worked but gave a couple of error messages
[04:05] <ian_brasil> arm_script build-arm-rootfs build.sh Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/10-network-security.conf)... [80G error: "net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies" is an unknown key
[04:05] <ian_brasil> [74G[[31mfail[39;49m]
[04:05] <ian_brasil> arm_script build-arm-rootfs build.sh Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf)... [80G error: "vm.mmap_min_addr" is an unknown key
[15:33] <suihkulokki> no hwcap-optimized libs in ubunut-arm yet?
[16:21] <Stskeeps> debian moving anywhere in that area yet?
[16:28] <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: now that lenny is out, it a good time to look at it. I was looking if I were lucky and ubuntu had already done it, but no such luck today ;)
[16:28] <Stskeeps> i'm eagerly awaiting any work :P
[22:52] <ogra> well, lets take that here :)
[22:53] <ogra> running KDE or GNOME on less than 256M is really adventurous :) and there isnt much arm HW yet with more ram out there
[22:53] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: ^^^
[22:53] <ogra> though the 256M beagleboard is due soon
[22:53] <ScottK> Dunno what he has excatly...
[22:54] <ogra> (on the 128M version even xubuntu is painful)
[22:54] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: What are you running?
[22:55] <ScottK> Also we haven't made any armel specific changes to our desktop, so there may be stuff we're flat out missing.
[22:55] <Tscheesy_> re
[22:56] <Tscheesy_> actually i'm trying to build kubuntu-desktop on Jaunty
[22:56] <ogra> probably
[22:56] <ogra> NCommander cared most of the time for KDE on armel
[22:56] <ogra> i dont know much about it nor did i test it yet
[22:57] <ogra> Tscheesy_, why ? isnt the version in the archive not working that you try to build it yourself ?
[22:58] <ogra> the only think i see on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ is kpackagekit
[22:58] <Tscheesy_> ogra: i need the Root-Fs because i can't get it on my Openmoko otherwise
[22:58] <ogra> see the topic ;)
[22:58] <ogra> last link
[22:58] <Tscheesy_> yes - there i got following fatal
[22:59] <Tscheesy_> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-6-versatile/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[22:59] <ogra> thats fine
[22:59] <ogra> all stuff you need for the versatile kernel is builtin
[22:59] <ogra> so modules arent needed
[23:00] <Tscheesy_> hmm.. computer ist szcuk for a while
[23:00] <ogra> (you can indeed install linux-versatile in the rootfs if you feel like, but that wont run on any real HW anyway, its a qemu kernel)
[23:00] <Tscheesy_> stuck
[23:00] <ogra> the script calls qemu to exec the stuff inside the chroot, so its very slow
[23:01] <Tscheesy_> k.. sounds good
[23:01] <Tscheesy_> btw is there a jaunty uImage for gta-02 ?
[23:01] <ogra> if it really fails it will tell you
[23:01] <ogra> and if it does, please keep the log and tell me ;)
[23:02] <ogra> nope
[23:02] <Tscheesy_> ok
[23:02] <ogra> the only HW we support in jaunty are versatile (qemu and if you still find such an old board the actual versatile HW) and the nslu2
[23:03] <ogra> for all others you need to build your own kernel atm
[23:03] <ogra> jaunty+1 will be better in that regard
[23:03] <Tscheesy_> k.. even debian proposes a way to build in the Device-Supplier uImage
[23:04] <Tscheesy_> do you have a link HowTo build a Boot Image for uBoot?
[23:06] <Tscheesy_> do i need my HW-Settup in a VM for this?
[23:09] <ogra> you should have a qemu build env
[23:13] <Tscheesy_> ogra: i have for /fs-from-scratch - so i get a uImage.bin out of the Build? ;) would be nice :D
[23:14] <ogra> right, just log in to it and you can build anything you like ;)
[23:15] <ogra> install openssh-server on the host, then you can scp files back and forth (look at the default route inside qemu to find the ip for teh host from qemu)
[23:16] <Tscheesy_> ok.. sounds for reading.. first i will try the community uBoot with some root-fs changes..
[23:18] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: If it turns out there are packages you need that aren't in the default install for arm, let me know and I can get it changed.
[23:19] <ogra> ScottK, kpackagekit seems to need some attention
[23:19] <ogra> but i'm sure NCommander will take a look
[23:19] <Tscheesy_> ScottK: thounds cool but i'm not that far :|
[23:19] <ScottK> ogra: It does, but currently packagekit ftbsf on arm.
[23:19] <NCommander> a look on what?
[23:20] <ScottK> NCommander: The packagekit ftbfs we talked about yesterday.
[23:20]  * NCommander is currently hooking up his babbage board, but still feeling like death
[23:20] <NCommander> Oh yes
[23:20] <NCommander> Its still on my todo list
[23:20] <ogra> ScottK, heh, i didnt scroll down balow K :P
[23:20] <ogra> *below
[23:20] <ScottK> NCommander: Also there's a different one on ia64 you may as well fix at the same time ....
[23:22] <Stskeeps> babbage board? :P
[23:26] <Tscheesy_> ogra: btw - HW Memory-Support.. i hope for /dev/ttyACM0
[23:28] <Tscheesy_> on the host i hope it enlarges the device environment
[23:28] <Tscheesy_> workaround for Android by the community
[23:28] <ogra> it doesnt, host and client are distinct
[23:28]  * ogra has to go afk again ...


[16:35] <jjohansen> \o
[16:35] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:35] <tyhicks> hello
[16:36]  * sbeattie waves
[16:37] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:37] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr 13 16:37:03 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:37] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:37] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> hi
[16:37] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:38] <tyhicks> Johan Van de Wauw (johanvdw) provided debdiffs for trusty-vivid for freexl (LP: #1437087)
[16:38] <tyhicks> Thomas Ward (teward) provided a debdiff for utopic for wireshark (LP: #1440202)
[16:38] <tyhicks> Stefan Bader (smb) provided debdiffs for trusty and utopic for xen
[16:38] <tyhicks> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:38] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:39] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I think you're busy right now so we're going to skip ahead to mdeslaur
[16:39] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:39] <mdeslaur> and I have a half-day off on wednesay
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I just published some tasty and delicious ntp updates
[16:39] <mdeslaur> and I'm currently testing a bunch of libx11-related updates
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I have an embargoed issue to release tomorrow also
[16:40] <mdeslaur> and a few more things to work on after that
[16:40] <mdeslaur> that's about it, sbeattie, you're up
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:41] <sbeattie> I'm trying to review apparmor patches and pull things together for a trusty SRU and 2.9.2 release (to base the python utils in the SRU off of)
[16:42] <tyhicks> very nice
[16:42] <sbeattie> I've also again got gcc pie on my plate
[16:42] <sbeattie> that's the plan for this week. tyhicks?
[16:43] <tyhicks> sbeattie: all that is left for the gcc pie work is to benchmark a number of programs before the next dev release archive opens?
[16:44] <sbeattie> I still want to do a bit more test builds against it to look for build breakages.
[16:44] <sbeattie> (as well as the benchmarking, that is)
[16:45] <tyhicks> sbeattie: ok - those are two pretty important items so let me know if anything unexpected pops up this week
[16:45] <sbeattie> okay
[16:46] <tyhicks> sbeattie: we'll try to find someone else to handle any distractions :)
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm handling the community role this week
[16:47] <tyhicks> my planned work looks quite a bit like last week
[16:47] <tyhicks> Vivid systemd/sbuild/schroot bugs (LP: #1427264) (LP: #1438942)
[16:47] <tyhicks> Restart work on AppArmor kernel keyring mediation for user data encryption
[16:47] <tyhicks> Send out the patches to fix bug #1430532
[16:47] <tyhicks> I worked on those ^ patches yesterday and I hope to send them out shortly
[16:48] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:48] <jdstrand> tyhicks: fyi, I can give an update
[16:48] <tyhicks> ok
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: hang on a sec
[16:49] <tyhicks> jdstrand: go ahead :)
[16:49] <jdstrand> I'm sprinting with the ubuntu core team this week
[16:49] <jdstrand> focusing on snappy, specifically seccomp and review tools
[16:49] <jdstrand> I think that is it from me
[16:50] <tyhicks> jdstrand: thanks! no need to stick around here - get back to the sprint :)
[16:50] <tyhicks> jjohansen: go ahead
[16:50] <jdstrand> hehe, thanks! :)
[16:51] <jjohansen> I'll be getting back to apparmor upstream cleanup again this week. I also have some stuff to do to get ready for the monthly apparmor meeting tomorrow, and an embargoed issue
[16:53] <jjohansen> that is it from me sarnold you're up
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week; I'm working on the python-cryptography MIR; perhaps the conntrac MIR, perhaps the outstanding openstack update tests. I may also do some smallish apparmor patch reviews as focus/attention span permits
[16:54] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> I've got Oxide updates to do this week. I'll also be handling an embargoed issue
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> I'm going to spend some time getting Firefox on precise in shape, ready for the next release in a few weeks
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I'll be working though Oxide bugs as usual
[16:56] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: have you had a chance to get FF building in precise yet? (I don't think you've had much time to work on it)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, I've got it building fine, but without the hardening flags (hardening-wrapper doesn't work, as the new compiler is installed in /usr/lib/gcc-mozilla/bin/g++)
[16:57] <tyhicks> ah
[16:57] <tyhicks> sounds like nice progress :)
[16:57] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:57] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:58] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libnids.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sanlock.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/krb5.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pdns.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/getmail4.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:00] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[17:00] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 13 17:00:11 2015 UTC.
[17:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-13-16.37.moin.txt
[17:00] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[17:00] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[17:00] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks
[17:00] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[20:49] <twiler> Hello?
[20:50] <twiler> Anyone there?
[21:01] <twiler> Hello?
[21:03] <PaulW2U> hello twiler, were you looking for anything in particular?


[00:23] <n0yd> hbisorry i became busy
[00:23] <n0yd> I wanted th4e ppa not for nemo, but for cinamon dev builds
[00:23] <n0yd> i fixed the nemo crap npow it gtave me other dep hell
[00:23] <n0yd> hopefully its frixed
[00:27] <n0yd> jbicha: ^^^^
[00:30] <jbicha> ok, you'll need to pick whether you want to use the GNOME3 PPA without Cinnamon or you can upgrade to saucy
[00:31] <jbicha> the cinnamon ppa builds against saucy so whenever dependencies change there, the Cinnamon guys should just do another rebuild and there shouldn't be a problem
[00:32] <n0yd> apt-fasya i fixed it :)
[00:32] <jbicha> or the third choice is removing the GNOME3 PPA and stick with Raring 13.04 for now, you should be able to continue using the cinnamon ppa then
[00:32] <n0yd> Now, i really want to figyre out how to get KDE 4.11 beta running with ewayland
[00:33] <n0yd> Everything ive used if wayland is VERY smooth compared to any composite setuop of X over the years
[00:33] <n0yd> Im just having troouble finding useful docs or info
[00:34] <jbicha> you're in the wrong room for kde help ;)
[00:38] <dfalk> Hello, does anyone know if Ubuntu One works on Ubuntu GNOME?
[00:39] <dfalk> apt says it's installed, but there is no application launcher for it, and it doesn't seem to sync or anything
[00:47] <n0yd> jbicha: i know, but wayytland in general., i have no idea how tun wayland inpendenmt of X and google doesnt help miuch, just guides on installing wayland and maybe testinmg it inside of X
[00:47] <n0yd> but oh well, not a big deal
[00:47] <n0yd> im busy with other stuff
[00:48] <n0yd> working on an Android rom right now my Galaxy Nexus
[00:52] <jbicha> dfalk: I think you need to install ubuntuone-control-panel-qt
[00:54] <dfalk> jbicha: That did it.  Thanks a lot!
[20:54] <roasted> hello friends
[20:54] <roasted> With the Gnome 3 PPA, is not everything from 3.8 in the PPA? Reason I ask is I keep seeing references about certain features, such as the "search" and "notifications" options that should be in System Settings, but aren't.
[22:37] <darkxst> roasted, some bits are still in gnome3-staging ppa


[23:41] <jcastro> cjohnston: at some point in the year do you guys open the windows?
[23:42] <jcastro> or is it always hot?
[23:42] <cjohnston> decemberish maybe


[01:06] <dniMretsaM> anyone find the name for 12.04 a little strange?
[01:06] <dniMretsaM> first of all, it should have been Perky Penguin.
[01:07] <DarthFrog> Perhaps that was too obvious.
[01:07] <dniMretsaM> Pangolin is cool, but precise? It will sound a little odd saying "Lets boot up Precise and..."
[01:08] <DarthFrog> But pangolins are amazing beasts.
[01:08] <dniMretsaM> that is true
[01:10] <pangolin> DarthFrog: Why thank you :)
[01:10] <DarthFrog> :-)
[01:16] <dniMretsaM> lol
[02:45] <dockhorn> i recently upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 and i'd like to upgrade to 11.04, but my upgrade managers don't show it...  any suggestions?
[02:45] <Lithos84> dockhorn: Try the command "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[02:46] <dockhorn> lithos84: huh, all that wanted to do was remove 3 packages
[02:47] <dockhorn> ran it again, again it says no packages to upgrade
[02:47] <well_laid_lawn> tried updating?
[02:52] <dockhorn> tried "update manager" and "kpackagekit" and neither of them sees an update
[02:57] <Lithos84> dockhorn: http://ur1.ca/5dnvh
[03:00] <dockhorn> tried that.  "No new release found."
[03:00] <dockhorn> is it possible that i got upgraded straight from 10.04 to 11.04?
[03:00] <dockhorn> i'm experiencing problems with my sound that i've read are common for people who upgraded to 10.10
[03:01] <dockhorn> (thank you, by the way - it's possible any of those suggestions could have solved my problem, though unfortunately they didn't)
[03:02] <Lithos84> dockhorn: To be sure of what version you have, type "lsb_release -a", but I don't think it is possible to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04.
[03:03] <dockhorn> um...  it says i have 11.04.
[03:05] <dockhorn> hm.  when i was upgrading, i inadvertently turned off the hub that the keyboard and mouse were connected through, so i couldn't click the popup dialogs.  i then rebooted and ran the update stuff again, thinking it would finish.  i guess it just went ahead and upgraded me further.
[03:05] <dockhorn> thanks, lithos84
[03:05] <Lithos84> dockhorn: You're welcome.
[03:06] <dockhorn> any chance you could try helping me with my issues with my sound and/or my video card?
[03:07] <Lithos84> dockhorn: I'm sorry, but I don't know a thing about it.
[03:07] <dockhorn> the sound issue is this: after the upgrade, everything sounds very very quiet.  i've turned up every sound slider on the control panels i could find, and in each application that makes noise, and things are still much quieter than they were before.  in fact, the sliders don't seem to have any discernable effect at all, or possibly only take effect on reboot
[03:07] <dockhorn> ok
[03:08] <dockhorn> maybe i'll ask on #ubuntu
[03:09] <Lithos84> dockhorn: Try this: Type "alsamixer", change the volume values and check.
[03:10] <dockhorn> holy santorum, that has controls that don't show up anywhere else and they actually do the trick!
[03:10] <dockhorn> thank you!
[03:10] <Lithos84> dockhorn: (^_^) You're welcome.
[03:15] <dockhorn> got any magic tricks for video cards that don't recognize the second monitor?  the DVI monitor works great, but the VGA one isn't getting any signal
[03:16] <Lithos84> dockhorn: I don't. Sorry.
[03:17] <thedanyes> lspci -v | grep Video
[03:17] <dockhorn> lithos84: you have fixed more than half of my problems tonight, much faster than i thought they would go
[03:17] <thedanyes> lspci -v | grep VGA
[03:17] <thedanyes> would be useful info to start
[03:18] <Lithos84> dockhorn: I'm glad I helped you.
[03:18] <dockhorn> thedanyes:         Flags: bus master, VGA palette snoop, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64
[03:18] <dockhorn> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4290] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[03:20] <thedanyes> ah okay.  which driver is it using?  if you do 'lspci -v | more' it should show as "Kernel driver in use:" under that device.
[03:21] <dockhorn>        Capabilities: <access denied>
[03:21] <dockhorn>         Kernel driver in use: radeon
[03:21] <dockhorn>         Kernel modules: radeon
[03:22] <thedanyes> That's the open source ATI driver I believe.
[03:22] <thedanyes> Is this a laptop or desktop?
[03:22] <dockhorn> it's a desktop
[03:22] <dockhorn> it's the video card on the motherboard
[03:23] <dockhorn> a friend of mine helped me build it.  he's good with these things, but more on the Windows end of things
[03:23] <thedanyes> Okay sure.  Honestly if using the display control panel for your desktop manager doesn't let you configure multi-monitor, I would try the proprietary AMD driver.
[03:24] <dockhorn> i think i tried that under 10.04, and maybe i did something wrong but it ended up screwing up the video so i couldn't see anything on either monitor if both were plugged in, and i couldn't get full resolution on the PCI monitor even if it was plugged in alone
[03:24] <dockhorn> it's probably still installed; i tried running some driver manager and it seemed to show that it was still sitting around, just not activated
[03:25] <thedanyes> Ah.  Well there can definitely be problems.  Just back up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf first
[03:25] <thedanyes> so you can easily go back to the open-source driver
[03:25] <dockhorn> and if i revert that, everything is fixed?
[03:25] <thedanyes> I can't say for sure, but I would expect so.
[03:26] <thedanyes> The xorg.conf is usually where X looks to determine which driver to use.
[03:26] <dockhorn> wow, there's 13 versions of that file in there already
[03:26] <thedanyes> haha
[03:26] <dockhorn> is the most-recently-modified one likely the currently-loaded one?
[03:27] <dockhorn> it's named xorg.conf.failsafe
[03:27] <thedanyes> not sure.  if you started your OS in some kind of failsafe mode, it definitely could be.
[03:27] <dockhorn> oddly there isn't a version of it simply called "xorg.conf" - all the files with that substring have a .something or a ~ on them
[03:27] <thedanyes> but normally the only one that gets loaded is the one called xorg.conf
[03:28] <thedanyes> oh okay.  well X will boot without one.
[03:28] <thedanyes> It just guesses.
[03:28] <dockhorn> ahh
[03:28] <dockhorn> so...  start with .failsafe, .disabled, .fglrx-4, .original-2 or .backup?  =P
[03:28] <thedanyes> haha
[03:28] <dockhorn> sorry, that's .fglrx-5
[03:28] <thedanyes> fglrx is the proprietary driver
[03:29] <thedanyes> radeon is the open source one
[03:29] <dockhorn> time to fire up the file comparisons
[03:29] <thedanyes> if you look through those config files... yeah :)
[03:29] <thedanyes> or just grep radeon xorg.*
[03:29] <thedanyes> and grep fglrx xorg.conf
[03:30] <thedanyes> or xorg.* rather
[03:33] <dockhorn> radeon isn't in any of them
[03:33] <dockhorn> fglrx is in 11 of them
[03:33] <dockhorn> i think i'm gonna try the .fglrx-5 version
[03:34] <dockhorn> this involves a reboot, right?  or can i just restart the window manager?
[03:34] <dockhorn> it's a reboot, i imagine
[03:34] <thedanyes> ah well
[03:35] <thedanyes> if you already had fglrx installed... wm restart might work
[03:35] <thedanyes> otherwise it's definitely a reboot
[03:35] <thedanyes> here's the problem i encountered with nvidia -
[03:35] <thedanyes> I found it really hard to remove the open source nouveau driver
[03:36] <thedanyes> in order to let the proprietary nvidia driver work
[03:36] <thedanyes> so whenever the nvidia module would try to load, it wasn't able to attach to the hardware that nouveau had already claimed
[03:36] <dockhorn> hm
[03:36] <dockhorn> is there some other config file that loads before the xorg.conf?
[03:36] <thedanyes> well, there's the kernel
[03:36] <thedanyes> and it's drivers
[03:36] <dockhorn> (also, is it sufficient to softlink xorg.conf to the file i want to use?)
[03:37] <thedanyes> probably, given proper permissions settings
[03:37] <thedanyes> never tried it :)
[03:38] <thedanyes> you can always check the Xorg.0.log after startup though to see if it worked
[03:39] <thedanyes> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:39] <thedanyes> if your screen goes blank on startup, often you can just switch to another console
[03:39] <thedanyes> with ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 or something
[03:40] <dockhorn> interesting, Xorg.0.log says it's using xorg.conf.d
[03:41] <thedanyes> is there actually an xorg.conf.d folder under /etc somewhere?
[03:41] <dockhorn> in /usr/share/X11/
[03:41] <thedanyes> isn't that just man files?
[03:42] <dockhorn> looks like it's config files for wacom tablets
[03:42] <thedanyes> hmmm no you're right there are some configuration files there
[03:42] <dockhorn> wacky
[03:43] <dockhorn> here's an interesting part of the logfile:
[03:44] <dockhorn>     20.025]    compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 1.2.0
[03:44] <dockhorn> [    20.025]    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
[03:44] <dockhorn> [    20.025] (II) Loading extension DRI2
[03:44] <dockhorn> [    20.025] (==) Matched fglrx as autoconfigured driver 0
[03:44] <dockhorn> [    20.025] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 1
[03:44] <dockhorn> [    20.025] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 2
[03:44] <FloodBotK2> dockhorn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:44] <FloodBotK1> dockhorn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:44] <thedanyes> afaict, /etc/X11/xorg.conf overrides everything else if it's present
[04:40] <virces> hi gan
[04:41] <virces> ko kubuntu saya g bisa muter musik kenapa y
[05:26] <GirlyGirl> strange thing either plasma or kwin don't work ....  If I run "kquitapp plasma-desktop" then "plasma-desktop" the reverse happens kwin stuff is unresponsive but plasma works!
[05:31] <GirlyGirl> Nevermind sorted
[06:17] <keithzg> Hmm, I'm trying to help someone remotely diagnose graphics issues on an HD 4350, what's the open source drivers package actually called these days?  "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system", yet it also shows the enabled driver is the current version of the NVIDIA driver.
[08:58] <Fleck> hello, i have strange thing... i installed ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <Fleck> now sometimes i press alt + tab i see gnomes background, sometimes even icons :D
[08:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Do we need the power management service for a desktop pc?
[09:00] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_firebrd: it's up to you - I clock down my cpu with the ondemand governor
[09:01] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: in your laptop or desktop?
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> desktop
[09:02] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: what is the need ?
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> if I'm just editing or browsing there's no need for all the cpu imo
[09:02] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn:  thats right
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_firebrd: but if I do something that needs power it clocks up
[09:03] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: so if i disable the power management service i wont be able to adjust the cpu clock?
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not sure if the modules for it would be loaded
[09:04] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: what is the power management service is actually for?
[09:05] <Fleck> http://fleck.rullz.lv/kde/1.png << rectangle where ALT + TAB window was... :D sometimes it get stuck there, so i need to minimie/restore any window to clean screen!
[09:06] <Fleck> and sometimes i see even icons with names etc... ;(
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_firebrd: mostly it's for laptops but it's not limited to that
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> Fleck: maybe try a different graphics driver
[09:14] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: ok, then i will disable the service, thank you
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> np :)
[09:15] <Fleck> well_laid_lawn no!
[09:15] <well_laid_lawn> ok ;)
[09:15] <Fleck> before i reinstalled - i had clean kubuntu with the same driver - no problem! so its not driver! :)
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> try with a new user - if it doesn't happen then it's your configs
[09:18] <Fleck> good idea! ill try that! :) thx
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> luck :)
[10:34] <sancochito> saludos
[10:34] <sancochito> tengo instalado kde sobre ubuntu 11.04 ¿cómo puedo hacer para quitar el gestor metacity, basta sólo con sudo apt-get remove?
[10:36] <well_laid_lawn> !pt | sancochito
[10:50] <sancochito> I have instaled kde-desktop to check it on a ubuntu 11.04 build how can I do to uninstall gnome desktop?
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> !purekde
[10:51] <sancochito> ok thanks
[11:10] <merlin1991> hey guys, the installer disk is giving me a headache, desktop-amd64 fails with initramfs no live system found and the alternate-amd64 fails right after detecting the keyboard, could not mount cd
[11:11] <merlin1991> any clues?
[11:11] <merlin1991> (I'm trying to install 11.04)
[11:13] <well_laid_lawn> !md5 | merlin1991
[11:13] <well_laid_lawn> and check the cd burn
[11:15] <stevellion> hello!
[11:16] <Drecondius> Good Morning
[11:16] <stevellion> Can anyone there help - since upgrading to kde 4.7, I can't get gwenview to display video thumbnails
[11:16] <merlin1991> well_laid_lawn: md5sum is fine but I can't run the md5 cd check from the installer menu
[11:17] <stevellion> was using backports, but now on oneiric 0 but still no good,
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> why can't you do the cd check?
[11:17] <Drecondius> Would it be a good idea to reinstall since the installer crashed so to speak, or should i continue to run in this os as is and just do an update?
[11:18] <merlin1991> errors out with a similar error
[11:21] <merlin1991> running the md5sum on win now against the disk
[11:23] <merlin1991> well_laid_lawn: disk is completelly ok, what now?
[11:25] <well_laid_lawn> merlin1991: you could do a memory check
[11:26] <well_laid_lawn> the iniitram should be there - you could mount the cd and check...
[11:48] <Drecondius> Morning, how do I add a repository be it with or w/o gui
[11:50] <Drecondius> Morning, how do I add a repository be it with or w/o gui, anybody?
[11:50] <alvin> Drecondius: What repository?
[11:50] <Drecondius> I need to add the Wine repository for latest build.
[11:51] <Drecondius> Only way I can get World of Warcraft to run acceptably.
[11:51] <alvin> There's an undocumented command to make that easy: apt-add-repository. You can also create a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/wine.list and put your deb rule there.
[11:52] <Drecondius> or i can do like the smart ppl do and follow directions lol
[11:53] <Drecondius> gots a tutorial on winehq
[11:53] <Drecondius> i feel like a dope now
[11:54] <alvin> Don't. It's generally better to follow distribution guidelines, so asking here isn't extraordinary.
[11:54] <Drecondius> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa is the line to use apt
[11:55] <Drecondius> and it's for the 1.3 version
[11:55] <Drecondius> im coming from ubuntu, used to synaptic
[11:55] <Drecondius> hate unity, too much like windows 7 taskbar w/o the space lol
[11:56] <Drecondius> would adding synaptic break my system? or is it gnome specific?\
[11:56] <Drecondius> Sorry if I'm too chatty, burning coffee, orange juice, and a bad case of whatever I ate last night.
[11:59] <alvin> Synaptic is just a front-end for apt. It should break your system. It's actually pretty popular amongst Kubuntu users for some strange reason. We do tend to get different GUI package managers every 6 months, so maybe it's consistency? I do admit the new one (Muon?) looks quite nice, but I don't really care about those things. Knowing the command line tools (aptitude in my case) will aid you just fine. They're also consistent.
[11:59] <alvin> correction: it shouln't break your system (synaptic)
[12:00] <Drecondius> well kpackage manager has a similar frontend for using apt as well , rather, adding repos
[12:00] <Drecondius> so I'm good now :D
[12:01] <Drecondius> all I had to do was go to "Edit Origins"
[12:02] <Drecondius> and I'm still learning my way around apt as well so ....
[12:03] <Drecondius> I want a version of Ubuntu, with kde and wine pre installed
[12:03] <Drecondius> lol
[12:05] <Drecondius> how can i change my mouse pointer?
[12:06] <Drecondius> I do believe I am overlooking it somewhere.
[12:31] <ib-mobile__> I'm having problems with a failed install of the fglrx drivers. I installed them using the hardware drivers utility, but it failed just before completion and told me to look at the jockey.log file.  here's a link to the bottom of the log: http://paste.kde.org/132589/
[12:33] <ib-mobile__> right now, xwindows wont start. I know the fglrx drivers work on the system because I had it all running fine but had to reinstall everything using the alternate install disk so I could use lvm partitions
[12:33] <ib-mobile__> This is kubuntu 11.04 btw
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:12] <jmut> heeeeelp :) I want my volume fixed
[14:12] <jmut> ubuntu issue I guess. how do I tackle this. anyone with low volume problem?
[14:14] <Lithos84> jmut: Type "alsamixer", change volume values and test.
[14:15] <jmut> Lithos84: it's maxed out
[14:25] <BluesKaj> jmut, look in the ctrl box at the bottom , make sure there's no "M" , use the M key to unmute any ctrls
[14:25] <BluesKaj> in alsamixer
[14:26] <jmut> BluesKaj: it's not mute..it just low volume
[14:26] <jmut> BluesKaj: I google like other people have issue..but don't really find the solution
[14:29] <BluesKaj> jmut, have you tested the default settings in systemsettings>multimedia>phonon>device preference ?
[14:29] <jmut> BluesKaj: not sure where is that... I am mit kubuntu
[14:30] <jmut> BluesKaj: it's like i got to devices... on top is Internal Audio Analog Stereo...and second is HDA NVidia Digital stereo (HDMI)
[14:31] <jmut> BluesKaj: there is test button for both. but they sound the same way
[14:32] <jmut> BluesKaj: oh well thanks anyway. I will dig google I guess.
[14:32] <jmut> bye
[14:32] <BluesKaj> jmut, do you have your speaker connected directly to the sound card , if so use the anaolg setting , the hdmi is digital out to a DAC
[14:33] <BluesKaj> no patience ... some ppl are hopeless
[14:46] <george_burdell> I'm having a problem connecting to secured wireless networks
[14:46] <george_burdell> unsecured ones work fine
[14:57] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl
[15:14] <greywalk> hi. how do i create a password protected archive with ark?
[15:17] <greywalk>  hi. how do i create a password protected archive with ark?
[15:32] <pawan> release time is pst or gmt ?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> utc
[15:32] <BluesKaj> which is gmt , I think
[15:32] <genii-around> Yep
[15:33] <pawan> thanks
[15:34] <Pici> Its 'when its done' just like every release.
[15:42]  * genii-around contemplates midnight in the WST timezone
[15:42] <BluesKaj> interesting how the time zones are set up
[15:42] <BluesKaj> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Standard_time_zones_of_the_world.png
[15:42] <BluesKaj> pretty messy business, actually
[15:43] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I guess we have Sir Sandford Fleming to thank....
[15:43] <BluesKaj> yeah genii-around mongst others
[15:43] <BluesKaj> amongst
[15:45] <BluesKaj> he invented a good system , but various countries around the world took exception to the rules. Checkout the international dateline ...it's a bit of a joke ;0
[15:47] <susundberg> And what the fck is +5 3/4 :D
[15:48] <susundberg> I thought the daylight saving was bit of a mess, but ..
[15:52] <BluesKaj> newfoundland is on the half hour ...silly
[15:59] <mastershak3> Is there a way to shut off the KDE key thing when you connect to wireless everytime?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> mastershak3,  Run "kdewalletmanager" from terminal or Alt + F2 Open the configuration dialogue (Settings > Configure), and uncheck "Enable the KDE Wallet subsystem"
[16:13] <BluesKaj> BBL... more yard work :P
[16:19] <mastershak3> BluesKaj, thanks
[16:29] <Tweev> My web browsers keep on crashing and I can't determine the cause. Can someone help me please?
[16:33] <g0rs> Tweev: i also have the same problem .Epiphany and rekonq crash often
[16:37] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I've got a couple of problems on my system, but I'm pretty sure they're related, also.
[16:52] <Tweev> My web browsers work fine when I am plugged into ethernet but it's when I'm on wireless that the crashes occur - Any ideas?
[16:55] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, come on. I see a lot of people in here, but nobody is helping....
[16:57] <genii-around> !details | LINKSWORD2
[16:57] <genii-around> Tweev: Is there some repeating errors about the wifi driver in result of: dmesg
[16:59] <kaddi> hi, i'm running 11.04 (upgraded last week) ever since then I have a screensaver automatically activate itself. Can someone tell me what package that is so I can uninstall it?
[16:59] <kaddi> it'll freeze my pc if I have firefox running flash open before it activates itself and I need to reboot it everytime that happens
[17:00] <Tweev> genii-around: doesn't seem to be - when I cause a crash (by just clicking around to websites) nothing new shows up on dmesg
[17:01] <LINKSWORD2> Alright. What's happening is that I have Dolphin (supposedly with 2 windows attached) stuck on my taskbar.
[17:01] <LINKSWORD2> When I right-click it to tell it to close, I get an error message from Plasma Desktop that says it has crashed.
[17:02] <LINKSWORD2> I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 with KDE 4.7.
[17:03] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: can you get a plasma stacktrace?
[17:03] <Tweev> *geni-around*: not sure if this is helpful but: type=1400 audit(1318437816.006:15): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=1939 profile="/sbin/dhclient" name="/var/lib/wicd/dhclient.conf" pid=2040 comm="dhclient" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[17:04] <LINKSWORD2> yofel: What is a stacktrace, and how do I do that?
[17:05] <yofel> LINKSWORD2: when the window comes up that it has crashed, go to the "developer information" tab, install debugging symbols and reload
[17:05] <LINKSWORD2> Ok. Running that now.
[17:06] <LINKSWORD2> Whoa. Uh... weird.
[17:06] <LINKSWORD2> This time when I right-clicked it, it closed.
[17:07] <yofel> presentation effect ^^
[17:07] <LINKSWORD2> yofel: Excuse me? Please explain?
[17:08] <yofel> nah, I just mean that when you really want to reproduce a bug it usually works instead of failing ;)
[17:09] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[17:14] <genii-around> Tweev: There seems to be a similar problem described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1638747 , there is a link in posting #5 for an edit to the file /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient3 for a fix
[17:15] <Tweev> genii-around: Will give it a try - brb THANKS!
[17:22] <Tweev> genii-around - sorry Qassel crashed.  I did as yousuggested but that didn't seem to help
[17:23] <Tweev> although there wasn't a sbin.shclient3 - only an sbin.dhclinet (no 3)
[17:24] <LINKSWORD2> I've got another question. Launchers for Rekong or Dolphin seem to be attached to the taskbar every time I log in, but they come back the next time, even after I removed them.
[17:41] <aftertaf> for anyone bugging out on updates to 11.10, run this way :)
[17:41] <aftertaf> kdesudo 'update-manager -d'
[17:41] <Girly-Girl> aftertaf: is it out in release manager?
[17:42] <aftertaf> not yet,
[17:42] <aftertaf> but even once its out, if update manager crashes on you, run it that way if yuou're in kde like me
[17:43] <Girly-Girl> aftertaf: I'm already on oneric pre release final iso
[17:43] <aftertaf> fair 'nuff.
[17:44] <aftertaf> but anyone with issues running it from KDE can try what I posted - just worked for me
[17:45] <alex5772> hi
[17:46] <alex5772> i have an Icon on desktop i am trying to drag it to the panel bellow to have a shortcut thre,but it wont go,it seems the panel is above the desktop
[17:46] <alex5772> ?
[17:47] <aftertaf> right click on your panel, and add a launcher for your app.
[17:47] <aftertaf> and make sure your plasmoids are unlocked
[17:47] <aftertaf> to be sure ;)
[17:47] <Girly-Girl> alex5772: kde version?
[17:48] <alex5772> Girly-Girl:whatever comes with latest kubuntu 11.04
[17:48] <erek_> hi here :)
[17:49] <alex5772> aftertaf:where do i find the launcher in Widgets?
[17:49] <Tweev> alex5772: unlock widgets and activate panel settings, then you can drag the icon to the panel
[17:49] <alex5772> Tweev:where do i do that?
[17:51] <Tweev> alex5772: right click on the desktop and click 'unlock widget's; 2) go to panel and right click and choose panel settings/options, then you should be able to move the icon onto the panel
[17:51] <alex5772> Tweev:widgets are unlocked,still cant drag,it goes under the panel,on the desktop
[17:51] <aftertaf> you need to enable the options of the panel also, like said above
[17:52] <Tweev> alex5772: when you hover your mouse over the icon a darker box on it's side will appear, grab it from there to move it
[17:54] <aftertaf> ahh, thats the trick : i tried and failed too.....
[17:55] <alex5772> Tweev:oh yea,the darker box,now it worked
[17:55] <Tweev> alex5772: great! I'm glad I could help
[17:56] <alex5772> tweev:seriously,thats pretty non intuitive,i mean its easier to configure iptables on command line ;-)
[17:56] <alex5772> now how do i have a list of tasks running on the panel,similar to Win/Mac?
[17:56] <Tweev> alex5772: I guess, it's just kind of a strange interface, once you get used to the syntax it makes sense
[17:57] <Tweev> alex5772: do you mean things running in the background or minimized windows?
[17:57] <alex5772> tweev:i know,last time i used KDE was in 3.0 days,then it been command line only
[18:00] <kaddi> hi, i'm running 11.04 (upgraded last week) ever since then I have a screensaver automatically activate itself.  I'm not sure then, sorry!
[18:13] <kaddi> bleh, i'll just remove it and hope it'll stop kicking me out of my own laptop, lol
[18:33] <alex5772> how do i install w32codecs?
[19:01] <Daskreech> kaddi: kde-artwork is a virtual package
[19:01] <kaddi> oh
[19:03] <kaddi> so i can just uninstall it with no effects?
[19:12] <nickolas_> i am having trobles with ugly plymouth using nvidia drivers
[19:12] <nickolas_> i use jockey to install the latest drivers from x-swat
[19:12] <nickolas_> then i use a script called "fixplymouth-natty" to fix plymouth and grub screens
[19:13] <nickolas_> problem is, it eventually stops booting, hanging at the Kubuntu screen with five white dots
[19:13] <nickolas_> 	i'm using 11.04
[19:57] <forgeaus> is Xsan from apple a different filesystem as opposed to EXT/HFS/NTFS/FAT/etc? or something else? if it is can kubuntu mount Xsan?
[20:01] <arek> witam jest ktos moze z PL??
[20:02] <genii-around> !pl
[20:05] <arek> witam
[20:11] <Matisse> Hello! My Kubuntu mounts unexpected different in different situations and I dont see the reason. Can somebody help me with renewing the settings from scratch?
[20:12] <well_laid_lawn> err mounts what?
[20:12] <Matisse> The current problem is: dolphin mounts USB drives with usergroup(?) root and so I'm not allowed to write
[20:13] <Matisse> theres another problem during boot, but thats not so important
[20:14] <36DAAHLMB> Matisse, is it a linux filesystem on the USB?
[20:14] <Matisse> 36DAAHLMB, no, its fat
[20:15] <Matisse> sudo ls -l -> drwxr-xr-x 19 user root ... USB drive
[20:17] <Matisse> to be correct: it's mounted read-only...
[20:18] <Matisse> but why?
[20:28] <Matisse> ok... damn read-only switch...
[20:47] <arek> witam jest ktos z pl??
[20:49] <genii-around> arek: /j #ubuntu-pl Do pomocy w polskim kanału
[21:00] <jmichaelx> how are things going for kubuntu oneiric users?
[21:01] <yofel> jmichaelx: rather fine, I'm not using kmail though
[21:04] <jmichaelx> yofel: i am not a kmail user, but is kmail having issues?
[21:04] <jmichaelx> (in oneiric)
[21:05] <yofel> uh... where do I start... let's just say that akonadi isn't working as well as it's supposed to do
[21:08] <jmichaelx> yofel: some things never change :-D
[21:09] <jmichaelx> there is a goodly list (imo) of kde components that do not work as well as they are supposed to
[21:13] <BarkingFish> I'll back you up on the akonadi thing, yofel - many is the time I switch on and akonadi has aborted like 12 or 13 times before I've even got started
[21:15] <jmichaelx> i'm sure that akonadi and nepomuk can do amazing things, it's just that i have not been able to see anything amazing in them yet
[22:36] <tzi> hola
[23:11] <tanzy> hello people
[23:31] <antlarr> hi
[23:32] <antlarr> anybody knows why, even if I added the kubuntu-ppa repository, I still can't see kde 4.7.2 in apt, but only 4.6.5 ?
[23:32] <antlarr> if I browse the repository I added, I can see there are 4.7.2 packages there!
[23:33] <BarkingFish> antlarr, what version of kubuntu are you running?
[23:33] <antlarr> natty
[23:34] <antlarr> are those packages only for 11.10 ?
[23:34] <BarkingFish> if you open kpackagekit and click on the software updates logo on the left, does it show updates for KDE?
[23:34] <BarkingFish> antlarr, not by any means. I'm in 11.04 and running KDE 4.7.1
[23:35] <antlarr> yes, but the updates are from 4.6.2 (that I'm using) to 4.6.5
[23:36] <BarkingFish> right, i think you may have a multistep process on your hands
[23:36] <antlarr> really?
[23:36] <antlarr> I have to update to 4.6.5 first ?
[23:36] <BarkingFish> Upgrade to 4.6.5, then you might get offered upgrades to the next level, I don't think you can go straight from 4.6.2 to 4.7.x?
[23:36] <antlarr> strange... but ok, I'll try


[05:45] <savedjuli_> hi
[05:47] <Dan68> hey
[05:47] <Dan68> how goes it?
[05:48] <savedjuli_> good
[05:48] <savedjuli_> enjoying again the rainy Seattle :)
[05:49] <Dan68> lolyep :P
[05:49] <Dan68> I do enjoy the rain
[05:50] <savedjuli_> for a while is ok
[05:51] <savedjuli_> but i'm use to other kind of weather :)
[05:53] <Dan68> yeppins


[01:18] <alex_joni> I notice that the headers deb created for a x86 32-bit kernel, has a bustem symlink in it: include/asm points to asm-i386
[01:18] <alex_joni> any ideas what I should check?
[08:16] <kraut> moin
[09:15] <abogani> chuck_: Seem to me that this commit (in mainline)  87d034f3139b5f0d93df2ba58f37d6f2c2c7eeb6  should be added in Hardy.
[09:28] <pwnguin> so is the kernel team the best place to ask about initramfs-tools scripts?
[09:31] <abogani> It is possible but unlikely.
[09:32] <pwnguin> what on earth is the resume script waiting five seconds for?
[09:32] <abogani> I suggest you to ask on #ubuntu-devel.
[09:33] <pwnguin> ok then
[09:39] <pwnguin> is the ML a better place to watch for kernel work? this place always seems so dead
[10:08] <tonfa> hi, I'm running gutsy and while debugging something with vanilla .25-rc6 I get dbus errors when logging in in gdm
[10:08] <tonfa> is this some known issue ?
[10:08] <tonfa> (the error is something like "could not connect to /tmp/dbusXXXX")
[10:14] <abogani> tonfa: Yes
[10:15] <tonfa> do you have some pointer ? (is it in launchpad ?)
[10:24] <abogani> Bug #146946
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146946 in gnome-control-center "[gutsy] Gnome settings daemon randomly does not work" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146946
[10:27] <tonfa> ok, thanks
[10:27] <tonfa> I'll try restarting next time I boot this kernel
[10:28] <tonfa> that's weird that it (almost) always happens with .25-rc6 and never with gutsy's kernel
[10:29] <pwnguin> timing issues are like that
[10:29] <tonfa> yup, I'm reading the bug report
[10:29] <tonfa> thanks a lot for the pointer :)
[12:24] <BenC> tjaalton: any idea why lrm is not loading nvidia-legacy for me at boot, when I should be (and have always been) using nvidia-new
[12:25] <BenC> in fact, I have nvidia-glx-new package installed
[12:29] <Ng> would it be reasonable to target bug 197929 for beta?
[12:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197929 in linux "Backlight adjustment no longer works on Thinkpad X61s" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197929
[12:30] <Ng> (also affects X300)
[12:33] <abogani> zul: Seem to me that this commit (in mainline)  87d034f3139b5f0d93df2ba58f37d6f2c2c7eeb6 about Xen should be added in Hardy.
[12:34] <zul> abogani: gitweb url?
[12:36] <BenC> Ng: we can give it a try
[12:37] <abogani> zul: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=34f10fc9886450c2e8a336f7022805c4a73e10f1
[12:37] <zul> abogani: thanks
[12:38] <abogani> zul: Hope this helps.
[12:38] <zul> abogani: we dont use paravirt xen for hardy :)
[12:38] <zul> abogani: for ibex probably :)
[12:38] <abogani> zul: Opsssss :-)
[12:39] <abogani> zul: What is virt tech supported by Ubuntu Server Team? KVM?
[12:39] <zul> kvm
[12:40] <Ng> BenC: I'm not sure what the patch was supposed to do, but it's definitely breaking backlight on my laptop, I booted -10 and the backlight works
[12:40] <BenC> Ng: hmm, ok
[13:20] <BenC> tjaalton: oops, I mean it's not loading nvidia-new for me, it's loading nvidia-legacy instead
[13:50] <amitk> BenC: are we still uploading for Beta?
[13:50] <mjg59> #147087 is kind of silly
[14:24] <BenC> bug #147087
[14:24]  * BenC kicks ubotu
[14:24] <BenC> bug #147087
[14:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147087 in linux "No sound on Aluminium iMac with PCI ID 8086:284b" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147087
[14:57] <johanbr> Is there any chance the one-line patch from bug #39414 could be applied? Without this patch, many people won't be able to use bluetooth headsets.
[14:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 39414 in linux-source-2.6.15 "syslog is flooded with messages after connecting bluetooth usb dongle" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39414
[15:29] <abogani> UBUNTU: custom/rt: Disable toshiba_acpi, since it isn't compatible :-?
[16:02] <BenC> cking, amitk: ping
[16:02] <cking> hi
[16:04] <amitk> ping
[16:04] <BenC> Ok, welcome to the kernel team IRC meeting
[16:05] <BenC> For those that don't know, meeting information is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:05] <BenC> Since we are closing in on release, and are under kernel freeze, we are going to keep this short so everyone can get back to work
[16:05] <BenC> cking: Can you start off with your status and current focus
[16:06] <cking> Yep.  Been looking a various kernel bugs, ranging from the trivial patch to the more perplexing.
[16:07] <cking> For example, usplash messing up vgacon driver colors and causing blanking not to work for all colors in the palette.
[16:08] <BenC> cking: ok...you said earlier that you were also moving on to looking after the boot loader for intrepid?
[16:08] <cking> Yep. I'm getting familiar with the isolinux, grub and so forth.
[16:09] <BenC> Good, be glad to see what we can do with grub2 (if anything) for intrepid
[16:09] <BenC> cking: thanks
[16:09] <BenC> amitk: on to you...
[16:09] <cking> OK.
[16:10] <amitk> been testing out some hardware for the ubuntu Mobile project
[16:10] <amitk> integrating drivers for them too
[16:10] <amitk> I hope to push out a preliminary Intrepid tree with all the sauce patches next week
[16:10] <BenC> amitk: for ume or kernel in general?
[16:11] <BenC> the intrepid tree that is
[16:11] <amitk> kernel in general - we will move the lpia out of the normal kernel tree though
[16:11] <amitk> as agreed at the kernel sprint
[16:12] <BenC> amitk: excellent...are you working on that tree in tandem, or will that come later?
[16:12] <BenC> the lpia tree
[16:13] <amitk> BenC: tandem. The lpia tree will follow the main kernel tree closely, only have different checkpoints for uploading than the kernel tree.
[16:13] <amitk> s/checkpoints/schedule
[16:13] <BenC> amitk: Are you removing most of the (unneeded) sauce patches for lpia? e.g. I wouldn't think it would need DSDT-from-initramfs loading
[16:14] <amitk> BenC: true, those don't need to be in the lpia tree.
[16:14] <BenC> amitk: ok, great...anything else of note?
[16:15] <amitk> that's it from me.. thanks
[16:15] <BenC> amitk: thanks
[16:15] <jay> amitk: How will this affect my integration of moblin patches to the hardy-ume?
[16:16] <amitk> jay: it won't. Hardy tree will continue to be maintained as-is, with you and I doing special uploads to the mobile PPA
[16:16] <jay> amitk:ok
[16:17] <amitk> Intrepid's new kernel is not yet chalked out in the current Ubuntu Mobile plans
[16:17] <BenC> Good thing about the planned separation is that moblin could potentially use an entirely different kernel version in intrepid than we are for mainline
[16:18] <BenC> IOW, it could use 2.6.25 instead of our planned 2.6.26, so it can remain at a stable ABI for much longer during the development cycle
[16:18] <BenC> but that's a discussion for UDS
[16:18] <amitk> BenC: very true. This will be discussed at UDS
[16:18] <BenC> Ok, moving on to bugs for hardy
[16:19] <BenC> The kernel team has discussed some basic guidelines for patches/fixes going into the kernel between now and release...
[16:19] <BenC> For starters, the current kernel in the archive is what is planned for beta, barring any major regressions showing up (which I see as unlikely)
[16:19] <mjg59> BenC: Where?
[16:20] <BenC> mjg59: where what?
[16:20] <mjg59> Where was it discussed?
[16:20] <BenC> mjg59: on our phone call just before this meeting...and I'm about to outline those guidelines now
[16:20] <mjg59> Phone call?
[16:20] <BenC> Yes, we have a conference call once a week just before the IRC meeting
[16:21] <BenC> mostly to discuss NDA issues that can't be discussed here
[16:21] <mjg59> Uh.
[16:21] <mjg59> But also to discuss bug policies?
[16:21] <BenC> These policies aren't any different than what we've had in past releases
[16:21] <BenC> just noting them now to make sure everyone understands them
[16:22] <mjg59> If you're defining the kernel team as the set of people employed by Canonical, I think you're missing the point
[16:22] <BenC> Just the bar for a patch getting in now after kernel freeze is very high...and that needs to be pointed out
[16:23] <BenC> mjg59: I misspoke...we didn't "define" these policies on the call, we simply reviewed the ones we already have in place
[16:23] <BenC> mjg59: we discussed how they were different than the normal policies during the heavy development cycle
[16:23] <BenC> IOW, we are in kernel freeze, and only have one more planned upload
[16:23] <mjg59> No, the kernel team didn't. The subset of the kernel team involved in this phone call did.
[16:24] <BenC> I don't see it as a problem to let my employees know what these policies are, especially considering most of them are new
[16:24] <BenC> I also don't think I have to do it in public
[16:24] <BenC> especially since the same policies will be discussed in public
[16:25] <BenC> and especially since they haven't changed, they are just being reiterated at a time when they are pertinent
[16:25] <mjg59> No, that's not the point I'm mkaing
[16:25] <BenC> I don't really see a valid point, to be honest
[16:25] <mjg59> You're saying that the kernel team discussed this. That's only true if the kernel team is the set of people who work for Canonical.
[16:26] <BenC> Excuse me then, the Canonical Kernel Team discussed this
[16:26] <mjg59> Which was not my understanding of how development worked.
[16:26] <BenC> and now I am discussed it with the Ubuntu Kernel Team
[16:26] <BenC> *discussing
[16:26] <mjg59> Ok
[16:26] <BenC> mjg59: is that clarification better?
[16:26] <mjg59> Yes
[16:27] <BenC> Good, so let's move on...
[16:28] <BenC> The basic points of our current bug policy is that we will mainly focus on bugs that prevent users from booting/installing Ubuntu
[16:28] <BenC> Bugs that fall into this category are mainly graphics and storage related, but generally covers networking as well
[16:29] <BenC> Other bugs will either be deferred to 8.04.1 point release, or for 8.10, depending on the bug
[16:30] <BenC> Exceptions to this can occur, but are not likely...basis for exceptions will be the estimated number of people affected by the bug, and the complexity of the fix (IOW, the trivial fixes with least chances of regression may be considered)
[16:30] <BenC> We only have one more _planned_ kernel upload, as per the kernel release schedule (linked to a google cal from KernelTeam wiki)
[16:31] <BenC> And just for clarification, these policies, and the kernel release schedule itself were discussed at prior UDS's with community members
[16:32] <BenC> Are there any questions concerning this policy?
[16:33] <abogani> No.
[16:33] <BenC> Great...so now I'll just see if anyone has other items they would like discussed at this point...
[16:35] <BenC> No takers? :)
[16:35] <BenC> Ok, thanks everyone
[16:35] <BenC> Meeting adjourned
[16:35] <amitk> thanks
[16:35] <cking> ta
[16:42] <alex_joni> BenC: can I bug you for a couple of minutes? or should I rather wait till things settle down after beta?
[16:44] <BenC> alex_joni: depends on the nature of your bugging :)
[16:45] <alex_joni> asking for some pointers building a custom-flavoured kernel (along with headers, lum, lrm), and some other pointers on tracking a possible bug in make-kpkg
[16:47] <BenC> alex_joni: re: custom kernels/lum/lrm: Check wiki.ubuntu.com...we don't condone it though
[16:47] <BenC> alex_joni: re: kernel-package (make-kpkg), you're on your own, we don't use it or support it :)
[16:48] <BenC> alex_joni: best bet is to talk to the maintainer of that package
[16:48] <alex_joni> BenC: I started looking at the debian/rules way of building things
[16:48] <alex_joni> and I think the problem persists
[16:48] <BenC> alex_joni: that's preferred
[16:48] <alex_joni> basicly the generated headers deb contains a broken asm link (points to asm-i386, not asm-x86)
[16:49] <alex_joni> but it might be because of a bad incantation to debian/rules
[16:50] <alex_joni> re: wiki.ubuntu.com, I understand.. already read most of the relevant thigngs, but it's not quite as accurate as I hoped
[16:50] <alex_joni> re: custom flavour: can't help it, we're using ubuntu as a base for machine control, so we need an ADEOS/IPIPE patch in the kernel
[16:51] <abogani> alex_joni: Can't you use -rt for that?
[16:51] <alex_joni> abogani: not at the moment
[16:51] <alex_joni> -rt needs to get way better for that
[16:52] <alex_joni> atm we're using 5-10 usec interrupts, -rt is a couple magnitudes worse
[16:52] <alex_joni> -rt is fine for servo controlling motors with custom hardware, but not for the cheap parport control
[16:52] <alex_joni> abogani: however -rt is getting way better, so I hope one day we can fully switch over
[17:45] <zul> .26 for ibex?
[18:46] <_stijn_> hey
[20:01] <jepler> I want to build and distribute a custom kernel flavor (rtai) and be sure that I fulfill my GPL duties to distribute complete, corresponding source code.  The page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile didn't answer my questions about how to build a linux-source package or a debian source package.  What method should I use?
[20:40] <johanbr> Is there any chance the one-line patch from bug #39414 could be applied? Without this patch, many people won't be able to use bluetooth headsets.
[20:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 39414 in linux-source-2.6.15 "syslog is flooded with messages after connecting bluetooth usb dongle" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39414
[20:41] <johanbr> The patch disables eSCO, but that's a relatively minor loss compared to not being able to use your headset at all.
[21:46] <tjaalton> BenC__: right, I think there's a bug report about it
[22:10] <BenC__> tjaalton: are you working on it? Seems important for beta
[22:10] <BenC__> brb


[10:12] <doko> rafaeldtinoco, kanashiro, cpaelzer: are you emotionally attached to nbdkit? old version, new version not migrating in debian, and blocks perl
[10:45] <cpaelzer> nbdkit is nice for debugging and standalone nbd use cases, but if you highlighted me because of qemu then no, qemu has it's own nbd code
[12:31] <rbalint> seb128, please unblock glibc on bionic
[12:32] <rbalint> seb128, since phasing affects only desktop the most likely users of lftp are still getting the update
[12:33] <rbalint>  seb128, rbasak we could also release lftp a bit earlier for bionic because it reaches the age on Friday
[12:57] <seb128> rbalint, I pinged you/sil about that some days ago, I'm not in the SRU team and don't know how to do that or if I've access
[13:04] <rbalint> seb128, rbasak can do it
[13:56] <rbasak> rbalint: sorry, I'm not at work today. COuld you ask someone else to look?
[13:57] <rbalint> rbasak, is there anyone vanguarding for srus?
[13:57] <rbasak> Nobody is specifically listed
[13:57] <rbasak> Try mclemenceau_ to find you someone I guess?
[19:48] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, hello, we need a libvirt merge to progress with perl...
[19:48] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsys-virt-perl/6.8.0-1build1/+build/20268152
[19:48] <LocutusOfBorg> Missing build dependencies: libvirt-dev (>= 6.8.0~)
[23:52] <tomreyn> This looks like it should get an SRU - patch available, tested, patched packages available in PPA, tested. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calibre/+bug/1898904


[11:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:13] <czajkowski> ebel: never knew about irish mammies
[11:14] <czajkowski> whooot!
[11:14] <ebel> tis great
[11:14] <ebel> czajkowski: that guy wrote a book just in time for last xmas. genius
[11:14] <ebel> I think there's an Auld Fella twitter aswell
[12:48] <airurando> andru183: what time is UH Limerick tonight?
[12:49] <airurando> LTP stated it was from 01:00 to 01:00.  I was going to promote it again on twitter and facebook.
[12:50] <airurando> I have ammended the entry to 19:00 - 20:00 which was the time you used for February
[12:50] <airurando> Was that right?
[12:51] <tdr112> I see there is also an open source meetup in limerick too these days
[12:53] <airurando> where is that tdr112?
[12:53] <czajkowski> maybe combine then or reach out to their list
[12:54] <tdr112> http://www.meetup.com/limerick-open-source/
[12:54] <tdr112> i got an email about it a while back
[12:54] <czajkowski> oh Tim he gave a talk at skycon
[22:58] <airurando> poor andru183 was the only attendee at UHL tonight :-(
[22:58] <airurando> poor marketing :-(


[14:03] <flopper> hi, is there a way to use source recipes with upstream tarballs instead of bzr branches?


[13:56] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: hi, can you please take a look at hedgewars FTBFS https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4927/+sourcepub/13960193/+listing-archive-extra?
[22:08] <teward> does Debian's transitioning now to merged-usr (usrmerge) affect us in any substantial way?  ANd if so can someone give me some insights into whether we have to worry about that for this cycle or if it's a next-cycle concern.
[22:10] <Unit193> ...Umm, Ubuntu transitioned a cycle or two ago, soo...
[22:11] <teward> that'd be a no.
[22:11] <teward> shows you what i pay attentino to :P
[22:11] <teward> Unit193: thanks for the confirm
[22:11] <teward> s/confirm/info./
[22:11] <teward> err: forgetful
[22:13] <Unit193> In fact, due to certain aspects, one couldn't even not do usrmerge because the initramfs couldn't be generated. \o/
[22:27] <jbicha> I believe Ubuntu completed usrmerge years ago


[23:48] <GambitDeclined> Hi All, I want to learn Java (I programmed in BASIC about 35 years ago, no kidding), and all the books I have picked up are SUN (Oracle?) Java -- in the interest of learning, should I start off with the sun java SDK suggested in these books or... well, what do you think?
[23:48] <GambitDeclined> I primarily use Debian and Ubuntu at home.
[23:49] <GambitDeclined> Assuming anyone is awake. :-)
[23:49] <persia> This channel tends to be more about how Java is packaged in Ubuntu.
[23:50] <persia> For questions about Java itself, ##java is preferred.
[23:50] <persia> This channel tends to be more about how Java is packaged in Ubuntu.
[23:50] <persia> For questions about Java itself, ##java is preferred.
[23:51] <GambitDeclined> Yeah, I know, but it was a general preference I was looking for among fellow linux users.
[23:51] <persia> I understand, but I'm not convinced that the folk here are prepared to answer your questions.
[23:51] <GambitDeclined> persia, I didn't really think of it as a coding question, but if you think I'll have more luck there I'll see what they have to tell me.
[23:52] <GambitDeclined> persia, Thanks.
[23:52] <persia> I will say that I've spent time developing Java in a windows environment that was tested in a linux environment and deployed to an OS/400 environment: the key bit is really making sure you have the library support you need.
[23:52] <persia> Everything else is syntax, for which ##java is a wonderful resource.
[23:53] <persia> If you're just learning, I'll suggest playing robocode for a while.  handy way to sharpen your skills, and fun
[23:54] <persia> 1.6.2 is in the repos.
[23:54] <GambitDeclined> persia, Okay, I'll poke my head in there and see what they think about using openjava with books oriented to sunjava. Assuming that I'm even using the right terms.
[23:54] <GambitDeclined> persia, I'll take a look at robocode as well.
[23:55] <persia> They can probably advise better.  Last information I have from Sun is ~22 months old, and it was that internally Sun was only working on OpenJDK for the future, but there's been lots of changes since then (e.g. ORACLE)
[23:55] <GambitDeclined> Yeah, Oracle seems to be eating all the old standby's up.