[14:07] <RikMills> mitya57: oops. thought your comment was in here. whoops!
[15:27] <mitya57> haha :)


[00:13] <anil> hi
[13:30] <dorgan> ok so i start up my machine, stop postgresql, mysql, apache & tomcat, and start chrome and thunderbird   and apparently that and gnome running uses 2.3GB of memory
[13:30] <dorgan> something just doesnt seem right
[22:33] <Dr_Zoose> wots occurin'?
[23:16] <Dr_Zoose> if anyone is interested, you can join me at http://www.linuxdistrocommunity.com/  there is a nice little community going on here,  we even got a mumble set up for voice chats its also a project ive been a part of since the begining and wanted to share
[23:24] <Dr_Zoose> irc for that is  #linuxdistrocommunity also on freenode


[10:09] <gang65> hi
[10:10] <gang65> I would like to implement the highlight of the item names
[10:10] <gang65> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/607676
[10:12] <gang65> Do you know where is example of the function which I could use for glowing?
[12:27] <davidcalle> mhall119, mick0 : I've started a doc listing packaged scopes and lenses from One Hundred Scopes and I need your insight for good looking and consistent package descriptions (most of them a really bad) before submission to the Software Center. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jiK8aXFQtEP1ifK6ToxX7CdQojLVmRPpmV_w9DUqs6c/edit
[12:27] <davidcalle> are*
[12:57] <mick0> davidcalle: Ok.
[12:58] <davidcalle> mick0, thanks. How is the IMDB thing going on?
[13:00] <mick0> Right now, its only quick results to the global search.
[13:00] <davidcalle> mick0, ok :)
[13:00] <mick0> I did not find a way to get out more info then to show like that. Could only find icon, title and main actors / main movies.
[13:01] <mick0> So it was hard to do anything like what you proposed.
[13:01] <davidcalle> mick0, and clicking a result opens the IMDB page?
[13:01] <mick0> yes
[13:02] <mick0> davidcalle: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikaelsahlstrom/+junk/unity-lens-imdb
[13:05] <mick0> davidcalle: regarding long descriptions: Most of them are basicly what the short description says so it seems redundant.
[13:09] <davidcalle> mick0, agreed. From what I've seen short descriptions are usually just human friendly package names, like Unity Music lens. If the SC category is Dash search plugins : what about "<something> search plugin" and for the scopes "<something> engine" ?
[13:11] <mick0> What do you mean by SC category?
[13:11] <davidcalle> Software Center category
[13:11] <mick0> oh. ok
[13:12] <davidcalle> By design, lenses will be in "Themes & Tweaks" > "Dash search plugins"
[13:12] <mick0> davidcalle: Sounds good. :)
[13:12] <BerndSch> davidcalle: Hello, David
[13:13] <davidcalle> BerndSch, hi!
[13:13] <mick0> Im woundering if we should write more exactly what the scope does in the long descrition. For example: Will users understand that the pirate bay scope will not download torrents for them or that the grooveshark scope dones not add play sound capabilitys to the music lens?
[13:14] <BerndSch> davidcalle: I have a question regarding ppa
[13:14] <davidcalle> mick0, I agree. It should be a precise description.
[13:15] <davidcalle> BerndSch, yes?
[13:15] <BerndSch> davidcalle: at the moment my lens name is unity-sshsearch-lens, but your lense-names starts all with unity-lens-xxxx. How can I control the package name? For my personal paa I changed the debian/control file, but this didn't help
[13:17] <davidcalle> BerndSch, I don't really know where the package name is defined... As long as it's the same in your setup.py, debian/changelog and control, it should work.
[13:19] <BerndSch> davidcalle: ok, i will try again. I will come back for the integration my lens into the scopes ppa later
[13:19] <davidcalle> BerndSch, and yes, we use unity-lens-* because it's the way default lenses are packaged, so it's a good default to follow.
[13:48] <mhall119> davidcalle: since scopes will only be displayed in USC as add-ons, will the long description even be displayed, or does it only use short description?
[13:49] <davidcalle> mhall119, short, I guess. But I don't know what will happen if you explicitly search for 'unity-scope-something'.
[13:50] <davidcalle> mhall119, let me check the specs.
[13:51] <davidcalle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Add-on_packages yes, short.
[13:55] <mhall119> so the long description for scopes is only going to be displayed on apt/aptitude
[13:57] <mhall119> in that case, it can probably be more technical, like saying what data it can pull from what api, etc
[15:16] <BerndSch> davidcalle: ok, I renamed the package to unity-lens-sshsearch. What should I do now to get my package into the scopes ppa?
[15:19] <davidcalle> BerndSch, I've added you to the PPA team. On your branch page, there is a "1 recipe using this" link. On the recipe page, you have to "Request build", you choose the scopes-packagers PPA, for Oneiric and Precise.
[15:20] <davidcalle> BerndSch, and you just need to do this, each time you want want to push a new version to the PPA.
[15:24] <BerndSch> davidcalle: ok, thank you. the package is currently building
[15:26] <davidcalle> BerndSch, you're welcome :) I've created a page to track everything in the PPA, before submission to the Software center. I will add your lens in a few moments : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jiK8aXFQtEP1ifK6ToxX7CdQojLVmRPpmV_w9DUqs6c/edit
[15:34] <BerndSch> davidcalle: nice, hope this lens could be useful for a lot of users
[15:34] <davidcalle> BerndSch, I'm pretty sure it will ;-)
[15:38] <davidcalle> BerndSch, I believe you have requested your build for the wrong PPA :)
[15:41] <BerndSch> davidcalle: I requested the build for the other paa now.
[15:42] <BerndSch> davidcalle: I deleted the packages from the other paa. Hope this wasn't no problem
[15:42] <davidcalle> BerndSch, no problem. I've made the same mistake a lot of times.
[15:43] <BerndSch> davidcalle: yes, the other paa is default in the list
[15:43] <davidcalle> BerndSch, yes, it's alphabetical. I'm going to change the name of the adult one to avoid this.
[15:48] <davidcalle> BerndSch, done. Thanks for reminding me this was a potential issue.
[16:12] <Debolaz> Is there any url describing changes happening to unity for the next ubuntu version?
[20:21] <gang65> hi
[20:22] <gang65> I need advice
[20:25] <gang65> I already send mail to ayatana
[20:26] <mhall119> gang65: it's a weekend, you may not get a response until tomorrow at the earliest
[20:27] <gang65> ok
[20:27] <gang65> thanks
[20:27] <gang65> i will contact tommorow
[20:55] <bernie> mhall119: regarding the workspace indicator on the launcher, on one of my machines it stopped working after an upgrade (i click on it and nothing happens)
[20:55] <bernie> mhall119: even when it works, it doesn't indicate which desktop you're currently in (and it also disappears when the launcher hides).
[20:57] <bernie> mhall119: what i'd need is a small indicator that tells me my current position all the time so i know which way to go to get to the browser or to the shell...
[20:57] <bernie> mhall119: i hope this doesn't sound too demanding :)
[21:07] <mhall119> bernie: there are no indicators in teh launcher, I think you're mixing terms here
[21:08] <mhall119> it's probably possible to make a panel indicator that shows your workspaces and hilights the current one, but I don't think anyone has made such a thing yet
[21:31] <bernie> mhall119: no i really meant what i said: what i need is a workspace indicator (in the panel) rather than the workspace switcher (in the launcher)
[22:35] <mhall119> bernie: that's what I'm talking about too
[22:40] <bernie> mhall119: there's one already, although it seems unmaintained: https://launchpad.net/~geod/+archive/ppa-geod
[22:49] <mhall119> bernie: well you can start from there, grab the .deb and try installing it, if there's an error grab the source
[22:57] <bernie> mhall119: i'm already using it. it does not start automatically, though.
[22:58] <bernie> mhall119: i was just pointing out that it would be a useful addition for all unity users
[22:58] <bernie> it's too bad one has to go find it in some obscure ppa
[22:59] <snadge> ubuntu 12.04 still has the focus problem with firefox
[22:59] <snadge> doh :p


[03:22] <mikodo> I am hearing of much activity happening with development of unity8. Rightly or wrongly, that is what I heard. How can I restate my desire to see this become a priority in unity8  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1400580
[03:22] <mikodo> Even hearing that it looks like unity8 session has gone from being a pre-view to being the intended Xserver Ubuntu replacement. Is is time to build in replacement shading for Unity8 to replace X like my bug reads?
[03:25] <duflu> mikodo: Yeah I implemented that in Mir over a year ago. I would like Unity8 to get access to that implementation too (via unity-system-compositor), rather than waiting indefinitely for Unity8 to reimplement the same feature
[03:26] <mikodo> duflu, Yes I saw you in the channel and was thinking of you
[03:27] <duflu> Essentially we don't even need agreement from Unity8. Just Mir team to agree on some key combo to access system-compositor features (like Ctrl+Alt+Shift+...)
[03:28] <duflu> Same goes for video mode switching etc. But it would be better if Unity8 was involved so we could have a GUI to control it
[03:28] <mikodo> Well, who should I talk too :)
[03:28] <duflu> mikodo: Best to comment on the bug: "Hey where's the feature?"
[03:29] <duflu> And the Unity8 team (at least some of them) will see it
[03:29] <mikodo> Cool. I was thinking of that, but didn't  want to sound to forward respective of your work
[03:29] <duflu> We can do high contrast and red-shift at the same time
[03:30] <duflu> mikodo: Speaking as a Canonical employee, I recommend you do beat us up. Ubuntu is yours and you should be hitting us over the head with it to make it better
[03:31] <mikodo> Thanks!
[03:31] <duflu> Sometimes change only happens when we get bad publicity. It's better if we change before then
[03:32] <mikodo> Somewhere, somehow I have an advocate. Let me think on what you have said.
[04:15] <mikodo> Okay. Thanks. camako (Cemil) , Greyback (Gerry), SABDFL (Mark) are going to here about this. I think it is too important for them to not see the stonewalling on this important user accommodation.
[05:20] <duflu> mikodo: Again, please keep it formal by commenting in the bug
[05:24] <mikodo> duflu, Okay. No worries.
[05:42] <mikodo> Thank you. Though not legally blind, I do have vision problems. More importantly I do have a a brother who is,  and has much less vision. I want to think on what I am going to include in the bug as, it is not just we brothers who I am asking this for. That leaves me with some trepidation,  as I will speaking for others needing these features from around the globe. So, I will comment on this in the bug, and take it further then (as needed)  when I am c
[05:42] <mikodo> omfortable with my words. I need to think on this a while.
[09:48] <tsdgeos> greyback: yep you need a new laptop/wifi driver :D
[09:49] <greyback> yeah :(
[09:50]  * Saviq doesn't trust wifi, still on ethernet wherever possible
[11:35] <pstolowski> Saviq, i thought that was fixed, no<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:35] <pstolowski> Saviq, or is it Y-specific now?
[11:36] <pstolowski> Saviq, in any case, i think silo 47 is good to go
[12:21] <mterry> Saviq, thanks for managing silo 59
[12:22] <mterry> I'll help test today, hopefully we can pass to qa
[12:51] <dandrader> tsdgeos, in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtmir/compile_with_ubsan/+merge/295677
[12:51] <dandrader> tsdgeos, what's "ubsan'?
[12:52] <dandrader> tsdgeos, in the diff I only see you adding a header file
[12:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: sorry
[12:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: undefined behaviour sanitizer
[12:52] <tsdgeos> -fsanitize=undefined
[12:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: http://clang.llvm.org/docs/UndefinedBehaviorSanitizer.html
[12:52] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok, thanks
[12:53] <tsdgeos> dandrader: if you also use https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtmir/ecm_optional_santizers/+merge/295673 you can enable it by using -DECM_ENABLE_SANITIZERS='undefined' if you have ecm installed
[12:54] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i'll add it to the description
[12:55] <Saviq> mterry, nw, we should ask if there's any more code we wanna add since
[12:55] <Saviq> and make sure things are reviewed (https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/build-arm64/+merge/295573 hint hint)
[12:56] <mterry> Saviq, I was hoping to cut things off and do another silo after with everything new -- neverending cycle of silos.  I figured the silo was already quite large
[12:57] <mterry> Saviq, should use qml-module-ubuntu-web instead of qtdec*  :)
[12:57] <mterry> otherwise fine
[12:57] <Saviq> mterry, I think there's a branch from tsdgeos for that
[12:57] <mterry> Though I see you snuck a fullscreen fix in
[12:57] <Saviq> did I?
[12:58] <mterry> Saviq, hah, then ltinkl did...
[12:58] <Saviq> ah for fullscreen notifs, yeah we did
[12:58] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mterry: i'd also appreciate if we can land this one asap instead of keeping adding things, the handle_termination_signals branch is needed for the dash performance metrings since otherwise we use random debs that will break at some point
[12:58] <mterry> Saviq, yeah but you moved the declaration to a different file, could have fixed.  But fine, we'll let tsdgeos do it  :)
[12:58] <Saviq> mterry, ok, cut off is fine with me
[12:58] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mterry: yeah but conflcits as hell, so we shelved it for next time
[12:58] <ltinkl> mterry, I'm innocent :)
[12:59] <Saviq> mterry, it needed a rebuild anyway, so that's when I snuck in
[12:59] <mterry> Silos need bzr blame
[12:59] <tsdgeos> he je
[12:59] <mterry> tsdgeos, when you rebase your branch, make sure to look at build.sh too, it has build-deps there
[13:00] <tsdgeos> mterry: can you mark that as needs fixing on the branch?
[13:00] <tsdgeos> otherwise i'll forget :D
[13:00] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh actually use the process?!  ok  :)
[13:01] <Saviq> mterry, "show audit logs"
[13:01] <mterry> Saviq, whoa
[13:08] <Saviq> mterry, kicked https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-ppa-autopkgtest/171/ off
[13:08] <mterry> Saviq, oh thanks -- is the entry point for doing so at unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com?
[13:09] <mterry> Never manually started that job
[13:09] <Saviq> mterry, yeah https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-ppa-autopkgtest/build?delay=0sec simply
[13:10] <Saviq> mterry, it's a slightly different job to the test-0-autopkgtest one - not "public" yet, need to clear a thing or two up in there
[13:13] <mterry> ltinkl, I can't get dragPanelDownToRestoreWindow to work for me -- is there a trick?
[13:14] <mterry> ltinkl, oh haha!
[13:14] <mterry> ltinkl, user error, nm
[13:22] <mterry> ltinkl, hrm.  no actually, my question stands...
[13:34] <mterry> tsdgeos, you approved that branch ^ (https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/dragPanelDownToRestoreWindow/+merge/290327)  -- is there a trick to get it to work?
[13:35] <tsdgeos> mterry: it did work back when i tried it
[13:35] <tsdgeos> mterry: you can't drag from the indicators i think
[13:35] <mterry> tsdgeos, just drag with a mouse on the non-notification area panel?
[13:35] <tsdgeos> yeah drag down with the maximized window
[13:35] <tsdgeos> doesn't work?
[13:35] <mterry> didn't for me
[13:35] <mterry> might be being dumb though
[13:36] <tsdgeos> which silo, want me to try?
[13:36] <tsdgeos> just in case you're really doing it wrong?
[13:36] <mterry> tsdgeos, silo 59
[13:55] <tsdgeos> mterry: it seems it has indeed broken
[13:55] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh good (sorta)
[13:55] <mterry> paging ltinkl!
[13:55] <tsdgeos> let me try the branch standaalone again
[14:08] <tsdgeos> mterry: something has defenitely "conflicted"
[14:08] <tsdgeos> if i go back to current unity8+ltinkl's branch it works again
[14:08] <tsdgeos> btu with silo59 it does not
[14:08] <tsdgeos> so even if it doesn't code conflict
[14:09] <tsdgeos> there's a "this doesn't work anymore" conflict
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, hmph.  Easy enough to drop from silo, but I'd prefer ltinkl's guess on whether it can be quickly fixed
[14:09] <tsdgeos> +1
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, thanks for testing
[14:10] <ltinkl> mterry, let me test it in the silo (and without)
[14:11] <ltinkl> mterry, how quickly you want to hand it over to QA?
[14:11] <mterry> ltinkl, I'm still testing it manually, but I hoped to do so today
[14:12] <ltinkl> mterry, I wonder what could be the cause... some botched merge probably
[14:12]  * ltinkl installs the silo
[14:12] <mterry> ltinkl, merges are the worst  :)
[14:12] <mterry> ltinkl, well not quite a botched merge -- the branch alone works
[14:12] <mterry> ltinkl, just some interaction with something else in the silo
[14:13] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah, let me diff my branch and the silo
[14:15] <ltinkl> mterry, looks like some other MouseArea in Panel.qml
[14:20] <mterry> ltinkl, hrm.  Also with the fullscreen notificatino branch, the PUK dialog drops down to reveal the panel when I do vol up/ vol down
[14:20] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah, that'đ a feature
[14:20] <ltinkl> mterry, odd I know
[14:20] <mterry> huh
[14:21] <mterry> ltinkl, why?  the vol dialog is obscuring the panel in that case.  And you can't drag it down...
[14:21] <ltinkl> mterry, the "confirmation notification" (like volume) get by design inserted unconditionally to the top of the displayed queue
[14:21] <mterry> ltinkl, that's fine...  I don't mind displaying it on top of the PUK
[14:22] <mterry> ltinkl, but the PUK gets moved, which seems wrong.  And the vol dialog is placed oddly (overlapping panel)
[14:23] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah, again - hope this gets solved by having dialogs for those things... we can't display on notification over another, the container is a listview
[14:23] <ltinkl> one notification *
[14:23] <mterry> ltinkl, humph.  ok.  I guess it's not worse than before
[14:23] <mterry> thanks
[14:32] <ltinkl> mterry, branch unbroken :) can you pls rebuild?
[14:32] <mterry> ltinkl, awesome.  I also noticed a test failure that looks related -- test_dragPanelToRestoreMaximizedWindow -- would this fix that then?
[14:33] <ltinkl> mterry, yeah, this was a proof it was not working :)
[14:33] <mterry> presumably the test failure was capturing the incompatibility and will now pass
[14:33] <mterry> cool
[14:33] <ltinkl> mterry, exactly
[14:41] <ltinkl> mterry, hmm, this failure https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-ppa-autopkgtest/171/label=amd64,package=unity8,release=xenial+overlay,testname=qmluitests.sh/testReport/(root)/ListViewWithPageHeaderTest/testMaximizeVisibleAreaAndShowHeader/ could be caused by this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/optimize_LVWPH_layout/+merge/290021 in the new silo
[14:42] <mterry> ltinkl, tsdgeos: that failure only showed up in xenial, so might be flaky.  Which isn't a good thing either, but still
[14:43] <tsdgeos> let me see
[14:43] <tsdgeos> do we have two lvpwh branches?
[14:43] <tsdgeos> if so it may be a problem
[14:43] <tsdgeos> since i'm renaming some names in that branch
[14:43] <tsdgeos> so the other branch may cleanly merge but still fail
[14:43] <tsdgeos> but otoh didn't fail in vivid
[14:44] <tsdgeos> i'll download the code and run the tests here to see if i can repro
[14:44] <tsdgeos> is there a way to know if an app was killer by the oom ?
[14:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, syslog
[14:55] <tsdgeos> yep, i'm getting oom killed :/
[14:56] <tsdgeos> will talk to sergio tomorrow see if i can split this in smaller runs instead of one big one
[15:21] <tsdgeos> mterry: fwiw i've been running the 4 tests that failed on xenial in a loop for 20 minutes
[15:21] <tsdgeos> no failure yet
[15:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh good thanks.  That's odd that all 4 failed though
[15:21] <mterry> but good to know they aren't completely bogus
[15:22] <mterry> tsdgeos, since only one test failed in all 3 releases, I think the others must be flaky.  Maybe more flaky in jenkins than on our machines though...
[15:22] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, tried adding some "stress"?
[15:22] <tsdgeos> yeah
[15:23] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: well running the 4 of them at the same time already uses like 70% of the cpu
[15:24]  * tsdgeos updates the huge kde l10n svn tree to create some hd noise
[15:24] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, that's not enough I'm afraid... the flaky wizard test I fixed earlier wasn't failing either untill I added "stress" to the mix
[15:24] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, "stress --cpu 8 --io 2"
[15:24] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: i'm just saying "the tests are not wrong per se"
[15:24] <tsdgeos> i'm not saying they are good :D
[15:42]  * mterry starts silo 59 official autopkg run, goes to gym
[15:51] <Saviq> hrm why does this jenkins job take an hour... when a normal CI run takes 20mins
[21:37] <robert_ancell> josharenson, hi, regarding bug 1583624, have you dug into Mir as to why it's trying to get the VT?
[22:06] <josharenson> robert_ancell: no further than knowing a mir server needs a VT to run in...
[22:06] <salty-horse> noticed something strange. if my executable is named a.out, the icon it sets on startup isn't respected. if I rename it, I see the icon. any idea why that happens?
[22:07] <robert_ancell> josharenson, when it's running as non-root? Why does it need a VT?
[22:07] <josharenson> robert_ancell: I'd have to ask a mir person :-/
[22:07] <robert_ancell> I'll ask RAOF when he's on later
[22:08] <robert_ancell> josharenson, Can I reproduce the issue here? Is this on Yakkety?
[22:09] <josharenson> robert_ancell: I haven't tried it on yakkety yet (just upgrade this morning) but it should be pretty easy to reproduce locally. I can point you to a branch or build you debs..
[22:09] <robert_ancell> josharenson, a branch is good
[22:10] <josharenson> robert_ancell: ok, 1 min. I need to push 1 small change then
[22:10] <robert_ancell> no rush
[22:11]  * josharenson is also resyncing w/ trunk as its been a while
[22:14] <josharenson> robert_ancell: https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/session-chooser-gui should do it. Just be mindful of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1536662 (which looks fixed now)
[22:18]  * josharenson goes afk for 10 min to walk his dog
[23:11] <josharenson> robert_ancell: I'm going eod, but if you have any questions, ill be back on for a bit in a few hours
[23:17] <robert_ancell> josharenson, thanks


[09:40] <crimsun> hmm, are we actually keeping the apps? Debian doesn't seem to have broken them out quite (or nearly, rather) to the extent that we have
[10:04] <fabbione> actually you want to do the server and the drivers first
[10:05] <fabbione> server as very first
[10:05] <fabbione> then drivers
[10:05] <fabbione> once that's done go to fix the fonts mess
[10:05] <fabbione> and as last the apps
[10:23] <fabbione> there is also the issue of xorg 7.1
[10:23] <fabbione> UVF is in 5 days?
[10:23] <fabbione> if we can't get it from Debian we will need to do it ourself
[10:24] <fabbione> that's about 141 pkgs to update
[10:24] <fabbione> all of X (as hosted on freedesktop) is 288
[10:24] <fabbione> but we know there is more like mesa that comes from outside
[11:23] <ogra_> still doable if there is a UVF exception for X :)
[11:24] <ogra_> and edgy should be bleeding edge, shouldnt it ;)


[07:57] <Tm_T> anyone else awake? (;
[07:58] <Flannel> Tm_T: Pricey isn't.
[07:58] <Tm_T> I have noticed
[07:58] <Tm_T> I'm not used to remove people, I'm usually too slow for that
[07:58] <Flannel> Tm_T: You did fine!
[07:59] <Tm_T> Flannel: 3 times in a row too!
[07:59] <Flannel> Were the other two in #u? or elsewhere?
[07:59] <Flannel> I might just be blind.
[07:59] <Flannel> Oh is that the same guy from earlier?
[08:00] <Tm_T> no idea
[08:00] <Tm_T> but yeah, three removes from #u this morning already
 most important: Disable the amazon botnet
[20:52] <rwd> ubottu: no u
[20:53] <IdleOne> @login
[20:53] <IdleOne> hmm
[20:53] <IdleOne> @btlogin
[20:53] <IdleOne> seems to work for btlogin
[20:54] <IdleOne> @help login
[20:54] <bazhang> @whoami
[20:54] <rww> @login
[20:54] <bazhang> b00yah
[20:54] <rww> @btlogin
[20:54] <rww> @whoami
[22:08] <cantstanya> IdleOne should be charged with abuse.
[22:13] <ikonia> what's up ?
[22:15] <ikonia> cantstanya: sorry that was addressing you
[22:15] <cantstanya> He is quite petty of my outstanding beauty. Thus banned me from the -offtopic channel.
[22:15] <ikonia> when ?
[22:15] <cantstanya> I forgot
[22:15] <ikonia> ok, so do you want to use the channel again ?
[22:15] <cantstanya> This isn't a request to be unbanned
[22:15] <ikonia> oh, ok
[22:15] <ikonia> then please part the channel
[22:16] <cantstanya> no this is me reporting him for abuse
[22:16] <ikonia> ok, noted
[22:16] <cantstanya> well, is this reported?
[22:16] <ikonia> thanks
[22:16] <cantstanya> okay
[22:16] <ikonia> yes


[19:37] <mikeputnam> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57362675-503544/pipa-sopa-put-on-hold-in-wake-of-protests/


[18:18] <ymanton> Hi, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2020197 a while ago but it's pretty quiet; just wondering if I opened it in the right place/against the right component?
[18:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 2020197 in linux (Ubuntu) "perf tool jit profiling broken 20.04" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:02] <sarnold> that's probably the right place, yeah


[00:07] <len-k> The launcher is called kickoff
[00:08] <smartboyhw> len-k: A whole working interface…
[00:18] <smartboyhw> len-k: The tabs config are stored in kubuntu-settings
[04:09] <len-k> Interesting, KDE has this thing called "activities"
[04:10] <len-k> I haven't found a desktop switcher yet... thought that might be similar.
[05:03] <len-k> smartboyhw: KDE can look may different ways. I am wondering what a Studio user would consider the right or normal way.
[05:06] <len-k> We can't deal with the KDE menu in the same way as we have the xfce menu.
[05:09] <len-k> Waht I have on my desk right now almost (not quite) reminds me of gnome shell
[05:12] <len-k> Kde has 6 ways of viewing the menu. Whatever we do with the menu needs to work with any of them.
[05:13] <len-k> I think this means simplifying what we do to modify the menu.
[12:32] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )
[13:15] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : How are you today, no problems with the weather ?
[13:48] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: No.
[14:04] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Ok fine : )
[14:48] <DarkEra> good afternoon everybody
[17:20] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, I finalize designs for our webshop. I propose to add a unique reference to all our derivatives. I propose as reference "usmp + number" (usmp for "ubuntu studio merchandising product").
[17:21] <madeinkobaia> zequence : ^
[17:21] <madeinkobaia> Any feedback is welcome : )
[17:40] <DarkEra> too bad the discussion started on the mailinglist about the DE's project turned into a discussion about a possible bug
[17:42] <madeinkobaia> Hi darkera, ok.
[17:43] <DarkEra> heya madeinkobaia :)
[17:43] <DarkEra> how are you doing?
[17:44] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Well fine, we will have brand new t-shirts who skills : )
[17:45] <DarkEra> awesome
[17:45] <DarkEra> and good you're doing fine ;)
[17:45] <madeinkobaia> darkera : It will be finished tomorrow I think.
[17:46] <DarkEra> cool, i'm looking forward to it
[17:47] <madeinkobaia> darkera : :)
[19:12] <zequence> madeinkobaia: In the bzr branch? I'll have a look
[19:14] <madeinkobaia> zequence : It is not yet in the branch, it will be tomorrow.
[19:14] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Oh, ok. Anyway to see the results now?
[19:15] <madeinkobaia> zequence : What about the reference number (see above) ?
[19:15] <zequence> madeinkobaia: And, about organization, feel free to implement any you think is sufficient
[19:15] <zequence> Since we have near zero organization on artwork at the moment, anything above that would just be an improvement
[19:16] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I ask because I want to write it below each version.
[19:16] <zequence> Besides, I think only you have professional experience in administering artwork
[19:16] <zequence> So, go ahead :)
[19:16] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Thanks for appreciate : )
[19:17] <zequence> Because of our small team, I suppose it is always smart to keep things as simple as possible, but I don't always follow that myself
[21:35] <zequence> they released hurd for Debian http://bits.debian.org/2013/05/debian-gnu-hurd-wheezy.html


[06:36] <pitti> Good morning
[06:36] <elfy> hi pitti
[06:37] <pitti> hey elfy
[06:42] <elfy> still no issues with systemd here - unless nvidia-prime is upgrading
[07:34] <pitti> elfy: nice!
[07:35] <pitti> jibel: I completed the adt-virt-ssh manpage now
[07:37] <pitti> jibel: I'd still like to know what I broke for canonistack, do you have the -d log from yesterday?
[07:46] <pitti> jibel: do you know why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html still has apport as "in progress"? It finished last night already
[07:47] <jibel> pitti, because it's running
[07:47] <jibel> (cherrypy3)
[07:47] <pitti> jibel: yes, cherrypy is, but not apport
[07:47] <jibel> oh apport sorry, checking
[07:55] <jibel> pitti, because it tested gdb 7.7.1-0ubuntu3 no -0ubuntu4
[07:55] <pitti> jibel: ah, so we just need to retry, doing
[07:56] <pitti> ah, you did, thanks
[07:56] <jibel> pitti, yes, done.
[07:56] <pitti> jibel: merci
[08:28] <melodie> hello
[08:48] <pitti> jibel: FYI, bug 1334332 fixed in git and rolled out
[09:06] <pitti> jibel: so I now consolidated the commits in teh adt-virt-ssh branch, and all the tests, click run on phone, and libpng run on nova/hpcloud work fine here
[09:07] <pitti> jibel: the main outstanding thing is breaking canonistack; I can block on this, or we fix it in a followup commit
[09:07] <pitti> oh wait, screen unlock is still missing
[09:15] <jibel> pitti, I'll test canonistack right after update-manager SRU. I still have 1h or so on it this morning
[09:16] <pitti> jibel: thanks
[09:31] <jibel> pitti, adt-virt-ssh + nova + canonistack works fine.
[09:31] <jibel> pitti, there is no ssh sharing yet?
[09:32] <pitti> jibel: oh, I thought yesterday it failed for you with some ssh exit code 255
[09:32] <pitti> jibel: correct
[09:32] <pitti> jibel: for me it works "correctly, but slowly" now
[09:32] <jibel> pitti, right, but I enabled it in my ssh/config and it's ok
[09:32] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopkgtest/+bug/1335136
[09:32] <pitti> jibel: ah, good
[09:32] <jibel> so I don't know what this error 255 was
[09:32] <pitti> jibel: I'm using hp cloud with the -a option to add/use a public IP
[09:34] <jibel> pitti, I tried that too http://paste.ubuntu.com/7730523/
[09:35] <pitti> jibel: oh nice, that's all that there is to connection sharing? (I never used it, was about to read up on it)
[09:35] <jibel> pitti, yes and you can compare the output of ssh -d ... to verify it reuses the connection
[09:38]  * jibel goes back to testing update-manager in indonesian :/
[10:38] <jibel> pitti, did you see the error in python-persistent ?
[10:38] <jibel> E: Unable to find a source package for python-persistent
[10:38] <jibel> -su: 1: cd: can't cd to [a-z0-9]*-*/
[10:38] <jibel> could it be your change to add proposed and exclude third party repos?
[10:39] <jibel> pitti, same error with lava-server
[10:39] <pitti> jibel: I'll have a look; I did two test runs after deploying this
[10:40] <pitti> E: Unable to find a source package for python-persistent
[10:40] <pitti> oh, that'd be more plausible
[10:41] <jibel> pitti, I don't see any utopic-proposed in the list of sources fetched by apt
[10:41] <pitti> jibel: ah, of course -- ftpmaster.internal
[10:41] <pitti> jibel: I restricted it to *.ubuntu.com/*.debian.org
[10:41] <jibel> pitti, yup
[10:41] <pitti> jibel: meh, how I'm supposed to tell these apart then :/
[10:42] <pitti> jibel: right, so python-persistent and lava-server have only been in -proposed at that time, which explains it
[10:43] <jibel> pitti, ubuntu-release-upgrader uses a list of valid mirror + a list of allowed third party mirrors
[10:43] <pitti> jibel: extended the regexp for now to also apply to ftpmaster
[10:45] <pitti> jibel: ... and rolled out and tests retried
[10:46] <jibel> pitti, danke schön!
[10:46] <pitti> jibel: looks better now
[10:46] <pitti> jibel: de rien :)
[10:47] <pitti> jibel: should still work for PPAs now
[11:57] <pitti> jibel: merci beaucoup, connectino sharing works with all scenarios (tests, adb, hp clou)
[11:58] <pitti> adt-virt-ssh seems to spin on something, I get 100% CPU for several minutes
[11:58]  * pitti investigates
[12:02] <pitti> ah, found it
[12:08] <jibel> pitti, it really makes ssh connections much faster. I gain 1 min on canonistack on a 2min30 run.
[12:08] <pitti> jibel: wow, nice
[12:08] <pitti> jibel: I also get faster tests with adb
[14:38] <elopio> brendand: hello.
[14:38] <elopio> I'm having problems with all my machines today :)
[14:38] <elopio> brendand: do you want to pair in 20 minutes?
[14:38] <brendand> elopio, sounds good
[14:39] <elopio> I'll try to repair things.
[14:39] <brendand> elopio, whenever you're ready
[14:42] <balloons> elopio, not you too! My home drive died while I was away. Doing migration now
[14:43] <elopio> balloons: this is just unity refusing to open, and the quassel server refusing to sync.
[14:43] <elopio> could have been worse.
[14:49] <balloons> elopio, ahh.. Excellent. So this has bit us now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1335241
[14:51] <jibel> elopio, are you on utopic?
[14:52] <elopio> jibel: I am.
[14:52] <elopio> balloons: ah, right, today is the day.
[14:52] <jibel> elopio, if you upgraded libgtop broke unity
[14:53] <jibel> elopio, downgrade it to 2.28 or upgrade to 2.30.0.is.2.28.5-0ubuntu1
[14:53] <balloons> ohh at least I missed that bit of fun!
[14:56] <elopio> upgrading
[14:56] <elopio> thanks jibel
[14:57] <knome> a calendar app that doesn't work in july? oh my
[15:00] <elopio> now I can't adb shell into the phone.
[15:01] <jibel> elopio, if you reflashed recently adb has been disabled
[15:01] <jibel> you need to flash with --developer-mode
[15:01] <elopio> jibel: I'm glad you are here.
[15:02] <brendand> jibel, phablet-shell still works though?
[15:02] <brendand> jibel, and is better
[15:03] <jibel> brendand, if you cannot use adb phablet-shell won't help.
[15:03] <jibel> it is a wrapper to setup a forwading rule over adb and copy ssh keys
[15:03] <jibel> +r
[15:05] <brendand> jibel, true. just wondering why it works for me
[15:05] <brendand> jibel, maybe i specified developer-mode without realising it
[15:06] <jibel> brendand, or maybe if you didn't wipe it completely it kept the previous setting
[15:06] <brendand> something like that
[15:10] <balloons> knome, heh.. just the tests don't work in the second half of the year :-)
[15:22] <elopio> brendand: is tomorrow good for you too?
[15:22] <brendand> elopio, whenever you're ready :)
[15:23] <elopio> brendand: tomorrow will be better. I'm sorry.
[15:23] <brendand> elopio, i thought so - it's alright
[15:26] <elopio> I hope quassel + postgress will be better.
[15:32] <elopio> ping ubuntu-qa: do you know where can I find a core-dev to review a packaging change?
[15:32] <jibel> elopio, #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <davmor2> elopio: #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <davmor2> snap
[15:33] <brendand> elopio, pitti
[15:34] <brendand> elopio, or #ubuntu-devel if he's not online
[15:34] <elopio> thanks
[15:34] <jibel> there are 82 core-devs, not only pitti
[15:35] <davmor2> jibel: yeah but pitti rocks the hardest
[15:36] <brendand> elopio, you probably won't be able to subscribe anyone yourself
[15:36] <brendand> elopio, i'm trying to get ahold of boiko to do it for me in messaging-app
[15:37] <elopio> brendand: but boiko is not a core-dev
[15:38] <brendand> elopio, but boiko has permissions for the project to subscribe a core-dev. i don't
[15:38] <elopio> brendand: I could do it.
[15:38] <elopio> but I can't do it on your MP.
[15:39] <brendand> elopio, that's interesting. what project were you doing it in?
[15:40] <elopio> brendand: address book app
[15:41] <brendand> elopio, are you on ubuntu-phablet-team maybe?
[15:43] <elopio> brendand: no, I'm not.
[15:43] <brendand> elopio, i just realised that the wording of the template is misleading. it says 'subscribe' but the intention is to add the core-dev as a reviewer
[15:44] <brendand> elopio, i guess that's what you did
[15:45] <elopio> brendand: ah, yes.
[15:50] <elopio> rhuddie: did we ever reach an agreement between importing symbols or modules?
[15:53] <rhuddie> elopio, I don't remember there being any agreement on that
[16:43] <cgoldberg> elopio, for that utility we talked about in QA meeting.. (for extracting the screenshots or other attachments from a su8bunit stream), do you just want a branch with a script in it... or I could package it for PyPI also?
[16:44] <elopio> cgoldberg: I just need the branch. But feel free to 11 and give me a deb package. I won't complaint :)
[16:45] <elopio> *feel free to go to 11.
[16:46] <cgoldberg> probably wont have a deb for you :)   but I might write a setup.py and upload to PyPI  .. so you can pip install or grab my branch and install
[16:46] <elopio> that's more than enough. Thanks.
[16:46] <cgoldberg> elopio, cool.. I'll let you know when it's ready
[17:02] <elopio> I must say that now I don't like the diff comments in launchpad.
[17:02] <elopio> I used to be so sure I needed that feature to be happy.
[17:03] <elopio> I'll take a break before workrave complaints. bbs.
[17:05] <balloons> careful what you wish for elopio
[17:35] <elfy> balloons: did you see the mail from me yet?
[17:37] <balloons> elfy, no I haven't seen anything from you
[17:37] <elfy> mmm
[17:37]  * elfy wanders off to check
[17:37] <balloons> still trying to restore the pc from backup, but it doesn't show in webmail ;-)
[17:38] <elfy> balloons: possibly because I appear to have sent it to the canonical.com address
[17:39] <elfy> well if you don't find it I'll resend it
[17:46] <balloons> elfy, unless it went to spam :-) feel free to resend
[17:46] <balloons> elfy, oO I see it
[17:47] <balloons> it skipped my inbox.
[17:47]  * balloons reads
[18:05] <gQuigs> where do the occasional ubuntu metrics go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#Invitation_for_metrics_collection
[18:17] <balloons> elfy, email is fine. I would cut some of the verbosity out, and link to the bugs in question
[18:17] <balloons> then fire it off :-)
[18:18] <balloons> thanks for writing it up!
[18:20] <elfy> okey doke
[20:23] <balloons> elopio, ping
[20:23] <elopio> balloons: pong
[20:24] <balloons> elopio, so I'm trying to merge something to fix calendar, and it's easy to go too far, so I'm stopping myself and landing a fix for the July bug. Anyways, I see your "to_local_date" method and I'm intrigued. Why did you add this?
[20:24] <elopio> balloons: that's not mine.
[20:25]  * elopio reads
[20:25] <balloons> elopio, ohh.. well.. it seems a bit busted in it's use. We are converting the date from calendar via that method, but using datetime.now() to compare to it
[20:27] <elopio> balloons: yes, I'm not sure what's the deal with it. We should start the app in utc.
[20:27] <elopio> btw, I'm liking your diff so far.
[20:28] <elopio> balloons: can I make suggestions, or should I wait for you to finish it?
[20:29] <elfy> balloons: other than ' there is a hackfest' is there any sort of plan yet?
[20:29] <balloons> elopio, go for it... I'm mostly looking to stop messing with it and land it so trunk is unstuck, then go back in for a deeper review
[20:29] <elopio> balloons: 58	+ objectName: "WeekViewPage"
[20:29] <elopio> that should be weekViewPage
[20:30] <balloons> elopio, refresh I just pushed 344
[20:30] <elopio> :)
[20:30] <elopio> sorry
[20:31] <balloons> elfy, no nothing beyond that. I'm hoping got some traction there. We'll host more if needed. Beyond that, we would be poking edubuntu community folks, but I'm not sure who they would be
[20:32] <balloons> in general, my guess is yourself and some others from other flavors will write them up.. but it would be nice to have someone from edubuntu
[20:32] <elopio> balloons: get_event_view, get_month_view, get_year_view, get_day_view and get_week_view, can they be private?
[20:32] <knome> balloons: stgraber, highvoltage
[20:32] <elfy> balloons: sorry - I'm doing that whole I'm thinking it and everyone else is psychic thing again
[20:32] <balloons> elopio, I was holding the merge locally, figured I should push it
[20:32] <balloons> knome, ahh, highvoltage.. that's whom I couldn't remember
[20:33] <balloons> elopio, I was wanting to eliminate them altogether, then saw a test or 2 was using them
[20:33] <balloons> I'm undecided I suppose on the longterm future, but I played with re-using them as you saw
[20:33] <elfy> balloons: so what I meant was - I'm doing a hangout and then I hope that I'll be talking to people in IRC as well - and someone is doing autopilot hangout too - who's going first for hangout - or are there 2?
[20:33] <elopio> balloons: ok. And last comment, now that you are changing test_yearview.py, please use single quotes on the strings.
[20:34] <balloons> elfy, lol.. for the hackfest, we'll do one hangout. Whomever can go first, we'll do it via ubuntu on air, andyes we'll interact
[20:34] <knome> balloons, you're welcome :)
[20:34] <elopio> balloons: if tests pass, go for it. Thanks for making the nice changes.
[20:34] <balloons> elopio, all those select_single strings to ' from " eh?
[20:35] <elopio> balloons: si es tan amable... :)
[20:36] <balloons> elopio, que tuanis su estilo mae
[20:37] <knome> o habla bable que si si
[20:37] <elopio> balloons: s/tuanis/chaine
[20:37] <elopio> say that and you would never get robbed in CR.
[20:37] <balloons> :-) I was trying to use some fun CR spanish
[20:37] <elopio> sorry, I'm hungry. s/estilo/chaine.
[20:38] <balloons> elopio, lol.. ok makes more sense
[20:39] <elopio> balloons: http://www.teletica.com/m/deportes/58425-Reviva-la-dramatica-narracion-final-de-Kristian-Mora-.note.aspx
[20:39] <balloons> chaine is more CR slang?
[20:39] <elopio> balloons: yes, chaine is like shiny
[20:40] <balloons> elopio, so in other words.. nice bling lol?
[20:40] <elopio> so if you are going to go out and you dress yourself nicely, that's chainearse.
[20:41] <elopio> balloons: jaja, something like that.
[20:41] <balloons> elopio, I can't wait for the match tomorrow
[20:42] <elopio> balloons: no football tomorrow.
[20:42] <knome> lol
[20:42] <knome> today is USA's match
[20:42] <elopio> costa rica plays on saturday.
[20:42] <balloons> ohh, I thought it was tomorrow.. lol.. just excitied
[20:42] <balloons> knome, yea, actually shoot.. I'm missing it!
[20:42] <balloons> this work stuff I tell you
[20:42] <elopio> it's hard to wait.
[20:42] <elfy> they're losing ...
[20:42] <knome> elopio, let me fix that for you... s/plays/loses/
[20:42] <knome> unfortunately..
[20:42] <balloons> oO
[20:42] <elfy> heh
[20:42] <elfy> or not :p
[20:43] <elopio> knome: I'm listening to it. I need USA to win, so I win the bet :)
[20:43] <knome> elopio, heh. not going to happen either ;)
[20:43]  * elopio kicks knome.
[20:43] <balloons> knome, ROFL
[20:43] <knome> but that's not that unfortunate...
[20:43]  * balloons rolls on floor
[20:43]  * balloons hurting with laughter
[20:43] <balloons> I missed you knome
[20:43] <knome> ;)
[20:43] <elfy> ha ha ha
[20:44] <knome> as much as my mum missed me yesterday when she called me...
[20:44] <knome> "i'm leaving to paris tomorrow for a week, see you"
[20:45] <balloons> elopio, I love the GOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the spanish announcers. It's the best part
[20:45] <elfy> short a few L's there I think :p
[20:46] <knome> hard to pronounce so many L's in a row
[20:46] <elopio> balloons: the best part is when he says something like:
[20:46] <balloons> lulululululu.
[20:46] <knome> GOO-OO-elelelelelelelelele
[20:46] <elopio> blessed the hour that gave birth to you.
[20:46] <elopio> that's something weird to say.
[20:48] <knome> müllers free kick "trick" was named the "crouching bear" by the finnish reporters
[20:48] <knome> another 0-0... where did the goals go hiding after the first stage?
[20:53] <balloons> knome, the losers took all the balls home with them..
[20:54] <knome> well i definitely hope there are still some "balls" left in the tournament..
[20:55] <balloons> knome, it's a play on "taking my ball and going home". I realize it's very lost over the internet and across cultures
[20:55] <knome> mmh, right, but only one ball?
[20:55] <knome> i'd rather take both
[20:55] <balloons> knome, aye I suppose
[20:55] <knome> ;>
[20:56] <knome> now that you said that though, yeah, it makes sense, but your play with the balls (eh eh) just didn't translate
[20:58] <balloons> yea.. something about bad jokes don't become better in translation :-)
[20:58] <knome> or maybe it's just ball jokes...
[20:59] <knome> finally upgrading laptop to trusty
[21:03] <knome> booting ->
[21:04]  * balloons turns on radio
[21:04] <balloons> knome precise - > trusty or /
[21:04] <knome> nah, from saucy
[21:34] <phillw> balloons: why are the ISO's named differently this cycle?
[21:35] <phillw> as in the structure of their names.
[21:59] <balloons> ?
[21:59] <knome> there it is.
[22:13] <balloons> lol.. the US has just looked tired
[22:13] <balloons> the goalie has been amazing.. but they can't score, so ...
[22:13] <knome> hah
[22:13] <knome> well i told you
[22:14] <balloons> I've watched hockey games played the same way..it's a slow painful death
[22:14] <knome> also:
[22:14] <knome> 00:52  knome: my guess is that it's going to end like GER-ALG
[22:14] <knome> 00:53  knome: belgium scores at the beginning of ET, then scores another
[22:14] <knome> 00:53  knome: USA might do one or then not
[22:14] <knome> that's ~20mins ago
[22:14] <balloons> I think it's a coaching style too.. play to not lose.. instead of playing to win
[22:14] <balloons> really unexciting to watch
[22:15] <knome> mhm
[22:15] <balloons> I loved belgium's response to scoring a goal.. even more reckless to getting another.. that's how you do it
[22:15] <knome> well that's obvious
[22:15] <knome> the goal was coming a long time
[22:15] <balloons> not to a US coach.. he camp on that one goal
[22:15] <knome> now that it came, USA had to open their game even more
[22:16] <balloons> not sad at all I didn't watch any of there games, hah
[22:16] <balloons> I think costa rica has a shot though. .I'll be watching
[22:17] <knome> not really
[22:17] <knome> but have fun watching ;)
[22:45] <balloons> elopio, can you +1
[22:45] <balloons> lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/yearview-tweaks
[22:45] <balloons> err https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/yearview-tweaks/+merge/225208
[22:45] <balloons> just a small objectname fix I pushed.. it should all pass and it's as you looked at it
[23:46] <elopio> balloons: but it failed with your fix.


[02:47] <mup> PR snapd#10620 closed: release: 2.51.5 <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10620>
[03:32] <mup> PR snapd#10621 opened: packaging: changelog for 2.51.5 to master <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10621>
[05:50] <mborzecki> morning
[06:03] <pstolowski> morning
[06:07] <mardy> 'morning all!
[06:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mardy: heya
[06:32] <mvo> good morning mborzecki, pstolowski and mardy
[06:33] <mup> PR snapd#10622 opened: many: merge release/2.51 change to release/2.52 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10622>
[06:33] <mvo> mborzecki: I guess 10577 is ready to merge, yes?
[06:33] <mborzecki> mvo: i'm looking at one more tweak, i'll let you know when it's ready
[06:35] <mvo> mborzecki: but 10616 is ready?
[06:36] <mborzecki> mvo: yup
[06:37] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks for landing it!
[06:38] <mup> PR snapd#10616 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix coverity issues in tests, tweak uses of g_assert() <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10616>
[06:51] <mborzecki> mvo: on second thought, I think that https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10577 is a go too. there's one issue that amurray raised which I think is ok, but there will be more things to consider when I open a PR with device cgroup v2 so maybe at that time the usage scenario will be clearer
[06:51] <mup> PR #10577: cmd/snap-device-helper: reimplement snap-device-helper <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10577>
[06:58] <mup> PR snapd#10623 opened: usersession/agent: refactor common JSON validation into own function <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10623>
[07:06] <mup> PR core#121 opened: Generate the dpkg.yaml file <Created by ilasc> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/121>
[07:29] <mardy> mmm... could this error (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t4PjhyFz5D/) be due to my changes (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10623)? I can't seem to reproduce it locally
[07:29] <mup> PR #10623: usersession/agent: refactor common JSON validation into own function <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10623>
[07:32] <mborzecki> anyone has a raspberry pi up and running?
[07:38] <mvo> mborzecki: o/
[07:40] <mborzecki> mvo: can you do `find /sys/devices/platform -ls` for me?
[07:40] <mborzecki> mvo: i think we have a bug in apparmor rules in the raw-usb interface
[07:42] <mvo> mborzecki: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YPQcg5qrVh/
[07:42] <mvo> mborzecki: 3k lines
[07:43] <mborzecki> mvo: this is pi 3?
[07:43] <mup> PR snapd#10624 opened: interfaces/builtin/raw_usb: fix platform typo, fix access to usb devices accessible through platform <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10624>
[07:43] <mvo> mborzecki: yes
[07:43] <mborzecki> mvo: you don't have a pi4 that's up and runnig by any chance too?
[07:43] <mvo> mborzecki: unfortuantely no, I guess I should order one but never got around
[07:44] <mborzecki> mvo: i've pushed a fix in #10624
[07:44] <mup> Bug #10624: grub: new changes from Debian require merging <grub (Ubuntu):Fix Released by cjwatson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10624>
[07:44] <mup> PR #10624: interfaces/builtin/raw_usb: fix platform typo, fix access to usb devices accessible through platform <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10624>
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: ta!
[07:55] <mborzecki> added a security review label, although it's quite simple so not sure we need to involve the security team
[08:33] <mup> PR snapd#10625 opened: cmd/snap: print logs in local timezone <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10625>
[08:47] <mborzecki> mvo: we can land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10577
[08:47] <mup> PR #10577: cmd/snap-device-helper: reimplement snap-device-helper <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10577>
[09:12] <mardy> we have some XDG portals stuff in cmd/snap/cmd_run.go and usersession/xdgopenproxy/portal_launcher.go; I'm planning to add more, so maybe we should move all of these into a new module (desktop/portals/). Any objections or better suggestions?
[09:13] <mup> PR snapd#10626 opened: Refresh control/pending from snap <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10626>
[09:23] <mborzecki> mardy: usersession/desktop maybe?
[09:24] <mborzecki> ah w8, we already have desktop package, so yeah desktop/portals sounds ok to me
[09:27] <zyga-mbp> good morning
[09:27] <zyga-mbp> back from all that travel (for now at least)
[09:27] <zyga-mbp> how have you been guys?
[09:28] <mup> PR snapd#10627 opened: o/snapstate: remove commented out code <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10627>
[09:29] <zyga-mbp> pstolowski approved
[09:29] <zyga-mbp> the little I can do :)
[09:33] <pstolowski> zyga-mbp: hey zyga! thanks :)
[09:33] <zyga-mbp> pleasure :)
[09:40] <mvo> mborzecki: looking - in a meeting but will land
[09:40] <mvo> mborzecki: done, thank you
[09:42] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks!
[09:43] <mup> PR snapd#10577 closed: cmd/snap-device-helper: reimplement snap-device-helper <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10577>
[09:50] <zyga-mbp> hey mvo
[09:53] <mvo> hey zyga-mbp ! nice to see you
[10:03] <mup> PR snapd#10627 closed: o/snapstate: remove commented out code <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10627>
[10:09] <pstolowski> miguelpires: hey, nice job with these little bug fixies!
[10:20] <miguelpires> Thank you! =)
[10:25] <pstolowski> miguelpires: btw, please update the bug to 'in progress' when the PR is up (and link to the PR from the bug report), then to commited and eventually released (when we release new snapd version that includes it); i tend to forget these things from time to time myself ;)
[10:28] <mup> PR snapd#10624 closed: interfaces/builtin/raw_usb: fix platform typo, fix access to usb devices accessible through platform <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10624>
[10:40] <miguelpires> pstolowski will do, thanks for the heads up! =)
[11:03] <mup> PR snapd#10628 opened: usersession/xdgopenproxy: move PortalLauncher class to own package <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10628>
[11:04] <mardy> mborzecki: I created https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10628 where I'm moving only one part (usersession/xdgopenproxy/portal_launcher.go); I think I'll move the parts in cmd/snap/cmd_run.go in another PR, to make reviewing easier
[11:04] <mup> PR #10628: usersession/xdgopenproxy: move PortalLauncher class to own package <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10628>
[12:05] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: morning, do you think we need security review for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10589 ?
[12:05] <mup> PR #10589: cgroup-support: allow to hide cgroupv2 warning via ENV <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <cgroupv2> <Created by slyon> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10589>
[12:06] <zyga> hey ijohnson[m] :)
[12:06] <zyga> long time no see
[12:06] <zyga> back from holidays
[12:06] <ijohnson[m]> hi zyga
[12:06] <ijohnson[m]> enjoy your holiday break? was it really hot wherever you were in Europe (I assume?)
[12:07] <zyga> I did!
[12:07] <zyga> weather was mixed
[12:07] <zyga> it was 14C in the morning today
[12:07] <zyga> we had hot days but nothing crazy up here
[12:08] <zyga> 27C was really hot a few days ago
[12:08] <ijohnson[m]> good, I read that it has been really hot in most parts of Europe lately but that is a pretty geographically broad statement :-)
[12:08] <zyga> it's 18C now, I think the heat moved further south now
[12:08] <ijohnson[m]> I was on vacation in Seattle when there was a "heat dome" there and it was super hot like 35-40 C pretty much the entire time I was there
[12:09] <zyga> I read the news, it's a bit scary how quickly it showed up and how long that stayed
[12:09] <ijohnson[m]> ironically, Seattle is famous for rain and cool temps, and there wasn't a single drop of rain the entire week I was there and it was so hot. Still was a great trip though, got to go to a bunch of national parks and do hiking
[12:10] <zyga> that's lovely
[12:10] <zyga> we stayed north-west for some time, countryside, goats, slow life
[12:10] <ijohnson[m]> It is a really beautiful place if you like mountains and the ocean :-D
[12:11] <zyga> Pawel went south to the mountains
[12:11] <zyga> and I went north to the sea :)
[12:11] <ijohnson[m]> nice
[12:19] <mup> PR snapd#10607 closed: o/snapstate: install snap after prereq snaps are done installing <Needs Samuele review> <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10607>
[12:35] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: probably not IMO
[12:35] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: ack should we land it then? it would help the folks transition systemd for impish apparently
[12:46] <mborzecki> cachio: hi, around?
[12:46] <cachio> hi
[12:46] <cachio> mborzecki, yes
[12:46] <mborzecki> cachio: we'll need a special 21.10 image, with cgroup v2 enabled
[12:46] <cachio> ok
[12:47] <cachio> mborzecki, the idea is to test that image regularly?
[12:47] <cachio> or you need that just to try it
[12:47] <mborzecki> cachio: this is exactly like the current 21.10 image we have, but inside /etc/default/grub we'll need to have `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1"`, once that's added you can run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg and after a reboot that systemd... bit should be present in the kernel command line
[12:48] <mborzecki> cachio: that's something we need for testing with device cgroup v2 before it becomes part of the daily impish images
[12:48] <zyga> mborzecki is there a copr for latest snapd in fedora?
[12:48] <zyga> or something I can get from bodhi?
[12:48] <zyga> happy to provide feedback from my system
[12:48] <mborzecki> cachio: i took the current daily impish image, did that modification and the system booted fine, hopefully it'll be the same case for the images that we have in the CI
[12:49] <cachio> mborzecki, for 21.10 we use the images published by ubuntu-cloud
[12:49] <cachio> I don't update that image
[12:50] <cachio> If I enable cgroups 2 I'll need to update that image everyday
[12:50] <cachio> I can do that
[12:50] <mborzecki> zyga: hm? you can just grab the repo, run `cd packages && ./pack-source 2.51.5`, copy the artifacts to ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES and run rpmbuild manually
[12:50] <cachio> I can create a cron job to update the image daily
[12:50] <mborzecki> cachio: that's fine, we can update it occasionally
[12:50] <zyga> mborzecki mmm, perhaps that's the way
[12:50]  * zyga is just pretty lazy lately but that's no excuse
[12:52] <mborzecki> zyga: anything in particular you need from the latest version that's not in 2.51?
[12:52] <zyga> I want to check if anything change in lxd support
[12:52] <zyga> one sec
[12:53] <zyga> right, I'm on 2.51-1 now
[12:53] <mborzecki> (2.52 hasn't been released yet and afair all changes in point releasese were for core)
[12:53] <zyga> I'm mainly after v2 support
[12:56] <cachio> mborzecki, when you have time, could you please take a look to #10443 which I updated
[12:56] <mup> Bug #10443: X pointer persistent in middle of screen on login <xfree86 (Ubuntu):Invalid by daniels> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10443>
[12:56] <mup> PR #10443: tests: check files and dirs are cleaned for each test <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10443>
[12:57] <mborzecki> cachio: sure will do
[12:57] <cachio> tx
[13:27] <mborzecki> cachio: /proc/cmdline shoudl contain that systemd. bit that you add to the config
[13:54] <jawn-smith> Can I get a bump on PR #10592 when someone has a chance? If it needs anything else I'm happy to update it.
[13:54] <mup> Bug #10592: EOG is freezed on slow resizing <eog (Ubuntu):Invalid by seb128> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10592>
[13:54] <mup> PR #10592: gadget: Export mkfs functions for use in ubuntu-image <Created by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10592>
[14:01] <mborzecki> damn, that wtf moment and weak symbols, a binary built on xenial behaves differntly than one built on focal
[14:10] <zyga> mborzecki !
[14:13] <mborzecki> zyga: if you're interested https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10540#issuecomment-900277133 and the next comment
[14:13] <mup> PR #10540: cmd/snap-confine: handle CURRENT_TAGS on systems that support it <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10540>
[14:17] <pedronis> miguelpires: I re-reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10584, lgtm but it needs a master merge and then a fix. Maybe it's a good idea if pstolowski looks at it as well after, as it has bits that he worked on/will use
[14:17] <mup> PR #10584: o/assertstate: fix missing 'scheduled' header when auto refreshing assertions <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10584>
[14:21] <miguelpires> pedronis: ok, I'll fix that and then ping pstolowski for a review. Thanks
[14:22] <pstolowski> sure
[14:23] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: do you have strong opinions on moving the Mkfs functions from gadget/internal to gadget so they are usable from outside of snapd? it's for the ubuntu-image rewrite, see https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10592
[14:23] <mup> PR #10592: gadget: Export mkfs functions for use in ubuntu-image <Created by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10592>
[14:25] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: except for using gadget/quantity which really needs to move, it seems they don't use gadget bits? so they could move even somewhere more generic?
[14:27] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: yes
[14:27] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: I suppose it could become something in osutil/mkfs/foo.go ?
[14:27] <pedronis> yes
[14:28] <ijohnson[m]> but then the names become duplicative like mkfs.MkfsFat32()
[14:28] <ijohnson[m]> but I suppose that's okay
[14:28] <pedronis> it's ok, the other option is mkfs.MakeFat32
[14:28] <ijohnson[m]> ack, I will ask them to move the functions and rename them in that PR then
[14:39] <mup> PR snapd#10529 closed: devicestate: add `snap debug timings --ensure=install-system` <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10529>
[14:39] <mup> PR snapd#10629 opened: build-aux: build with go-1.13 in the snapcraft build too <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10629>
[14:44] <mup> PR snapd#10630 opened: o/snapstate: update default provider if missing required content <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10630>
[15:14] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: one issue with https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10622
[15:14] <mup> PR #10622: many: merge release/2.51 change to release/2.52 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10622>
[15:15] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: thanks, I have a look (in a meeting right now)
[15:15] <ijohnson[m]> no worries should be simple
[15:15] <mardy> what can I have forgotten to do, if `go test` does not find my tests? (it prints: "ok   github.com/snapcore/snapd/desktop/portal 0.003s [no tests to run]")
[15:16] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: did you register the suite with `var _ = Suite(&fooSuite{})` ?
[15:17] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: also this bit:
[15:17] <ijohnson[m]> / Hook up check.v1 into the "go test" runner
[15:17] <ijohnson[m]> func Test(t *testing.T) { TestingT(t) }
[15:19] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: oh, I was missing the second one
[15:22] <mardy> thanks, that indeed helped
[15:22] <ijohnson[m]> nice
[15:43] <jawn-smith> PR:#10592 updated, thanks for the feedback!
[15:43] <mup> Bug #10592: EOG is freezed on slow resizing <eog (Ubuntu):Invalid by seb128> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10592>
[15:43] <mup> PR #10592: gadget: Export mkfs functions for use in ubuntu-image <Created by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10592>
[15:49] <mup> PR snapd#10597 closed: config: rename "virtual" config to "external" config <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10597>
[16:38] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: thanks for your comments in 10622 - you rock!
[16:41] <ijohnson[m]> haha well I introduced the confusion to begin with so it's only fair if I can help :-)
[16:49] <mup> PR snapd#10629 closed: build-aux: build with go-1.13 in the snapcraft build too <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10629>
[17:49] <jawn-smith> Is flakiness with some of the spread tests expected? I had a few fail, including a couple required ones: ubuntu-18.04-32 and ubuntu-core-20-64
[18:00] <mup> PR snapd#10621 closed: packaging: changelog for 2.51.5 to master <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10621>
[18:05] <mup> PR snapd#10625 closed: cmd/snap: print logs in local timezone <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10625>
[18:05] <ijohnson[m]> jawn-smith yeah sometimes the tests can be flaky, I'll have a look this afternoon I'd be very surprised if it was legitimately caused by your or
[18:05] <ijohnson[m]> *your PR
[18:06] <jawn-smith> great, thanks ijohnson[m]!


[22:07] <bahaa> urlin2u, I moving the file from this computer to the target laptop (poor transfer mean) just a minute please
[22:07] <NS_tech> jdk-7
[22:07] <qin> siestacat: ...than drm infected netflix, but it is off-topic
[22:08] <SIFTU> NS_tech: maybe alien?
[22:08] <zykotick9> SIFTU, alien is a bad idea generally - but your answer is correct
[22:08] <bastedmonk> BlueEagle + Ademan 'sudo parted -l' does it without mounting or while mounted
[22:09] <bastedmonk> sorry if i missed it if that was already suggested
[22:09] <NS_tech> i got the link from oracle.com  and i downloaded an rpm file.  now what do i do with it to install it?
[22:09] <SIFTU> NS_tech: you could try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RPM/AlienHowto
[22:10] <qin> NS_tech: or find deb version of package.
[22:10] <BlueEagle> bastedmonk: Does take an awful long time to run on my setup.
[22:11] <Kingsy> ok guys just curious, I have just setup evolution to handle my mail.. I opened it and when I went to close it the left pane greyed out and it refuses to close. I can minimise it expand it etc etc.. just not close it..
[22:11] <Kingsy> does this mean the application has crashed and I should kill it?
[22:11] <bastedmonk> 40GB drive here...i know most of the world probably runs 250GB and higher on their machines these days
[22:12] <Kingsy> nm I just killed it..
[22:12] <BlueEagle> bastedmonk: Could be my partition tables have been fritzed with disks going back and forth in raid configs and so on for testing. :)
[22:13] <qin> Kingsy: How many emails do you have on your accouts, since evolution may need time to import them
[22:13] <NS_tech> sudo: alien: command not found
[22:13] <NS_tech> what do i do now?
[22:14] <Kingsy> qin: hmm naa it crashed when I quit. no idea why, I just killed it and restarted and quit.. it worked ok
[22:14] <Langly> Live for about 100 years then die
[22:14] <SIFTU> NS_tech: so you installed it?
[22:14] <NS_tech> oh  wait  i need to atp install alien first
[22:14] <NS_tech> 8facepalm*
[22:15] <redmenace> hi i was wondering if when using jabber/xmpp empathy can retriever the chat room list when im using a conference server other than the jabber.org one
[22:15] <Kingsy> qin: if however I have evolution closed. and I sent myself an email (and in evolution I had ticked the box to check for mail every 10 mins) does the application need to be open or will it check in the background?
[22:15] <Kingsy> if that makes snese
[22:16] <qin> Kingsy: evolution have notifier, which if runs will display topup in case of new emails.
[22:16] <jpapertowels> when I install from live cd will changes I made while inside live make it into the install?
[22:16] <urlin2u> Kingsy, not sure here never used evolution, but it must be running to check.
[22:16] <BlueEagle> redmenace: Not familiar with either the client nor the server, but I would assume that the client would use the same mechanics to look up room lists regardless of which server it was connected to
[22:16] <BlueEagle> redmenace: Did you try it and fail?
[22:16] <Kingsy> qin: is this something I need to install seperatly?
[22:16] <urlin2u> jpapertowels, what changes?
[22:17] <Kingsy> urlin2u: yeah thats what I assumed, it wuld just be nice if it gave you a little popup
[22:17] <jpapertowels> urlin2u: like if I remove applications while I'm using the live cd then hit the install button within ubuntu would the removed applications still be installed?
[22:17] <qin> Kingsy: No, it should be there.
[22:17] <urlin2u> jpapertowels, it may  do so, thunderbird does.
[22:17] <redmenace> yeah it think it did BlueEagle when i tried using pidgin it found the rooms fine, but didnt show the number of ppl in them
[22:17] <Kingsy> qin: hmm ok
[22:17] <urlin2u> jpapertowels, I doubt it
[22:18] <thesheff17> how do I get the grub menu to pop up
[22:18] <jpapertowels> urlin2u: umm okay thanks then
[22:18] <qin> thesheff17: hold shift
[22:18] <BlueEagle> redmenace: If pidgin shows number of ppl in the room on other jabber servers then it's a short comming of the server implimentatoin I reckon.
[22:18] <thesheff17> qin, thx
[22:18] <urlin2u> jpapertowels, the only thst is transfered is the wifi stuff if you use it in the install generally
[22:18] <bahaa> urlin2u, http://pastebin.com/s5j1zkUU
[22:19] <redmenace> BlueEagle it didnt show them
[22:19] <bahaa> urlin2u, I done it right?
[22:19] <BlueEagle> redmenace: I am thinking that such metadata queries may go on different ports. Did you check that nothing ran into a wall our out a broken route on the way?
[22:19] <BlueEagle> redmenace: If Pidgin never shows the number of ppl on jabber servers then it's a short coming in the client.
[22:20] <redmenace> oh
[22:21] <redmenace> BlueEagle it doesnt show the number of ppl in the chat rooms
[22:21] <NS_tech> sudo apt install alien isnt working
[22:22] <qin> !alien | NS_tech
[22:22] <SIFTU> NS_tech: that isnt a valid command "sudo apt-get install alien" or as those instructions say use aptitude
[22:22] <BlueEagle> redmenace: Is that limited to your sever or does it never show on any server?
[22:23] <redmenace> well its a empathy question, but no i dont think so BlueEagle
[22:23] <urlin2u> bahaa, yes, to be honest tying to fix this is a waste of time, other then your attachment to any logs in the root, its not being read. Someone might suggest a fsck on the sda5, but that is outside of my usual area I have not had to do that.
[22:23] <cornet> flash 10.3.183 - anyone have trouble with it freezing if you don't move your mouse and know how to fix ?
[22:24] <redmenace> oh well gotta go BlueEagle ill just live with it
[22:24] <cornet> sound works fine, just video freezes till you move mouse again
[22:24] <urlin2u> bahaa, you might just consider this a error, and just reinstall a supported release and and let grub2 be in the mbr, to boot everything easily
[22:24] <usr_> how do I know if I am running 32 or 64 bits version?
[22:25] <cornet> usr_: uname -a
[22:25] <cornet> usr_: that will tell you, if you see amd64 then it's 64but
[22:25] <cornet> usr_: *bit
[22:25] <usr_> cornet,  x86_64
[22:26] <bahaa> urlin2u: I usually use fsck but it didn't work this time, the only way I was able to browse the partition is using grub command line
[22:26] <usr_> I have this problem: error while loading shared libraries: libfuse.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 now I just realized I have ubuntu 64 bits :p has anyone heard of this problem before?
[22:26] <bahaa> urlin2u, thanks for your help :)
[22:27] <urlin2u> bahaa, no problem, hope you get done what you need. ;-)
[22:28] <bahaa> thanks, I hope that too :)
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> usr_: did you install a deb of your own, or copy a file yourself?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> usr_: or force install a deb
[22:31] <usr_> ActionParsnip, yes, I am trying to install pogoplug using an executable file that I got from the pogoplug.com website
[22:31] <ArseneRei> My terminals aren't refreshing correctly. They seem to refresh right now only when I switch to a different window. Any thoughts?
[22:31] <usr_> ActionParsnip, it was compressed (I don't think this matters at all...)
[22:32] <illunatic> auronandace: thanks :)
[22:32] <Phoenix87> ArseneRei, maybe some problems with your graphic card drivers?
[22:34] <ArseneRei> Phoenix87: Hm, maybe? All I know is this started since I upgraded to natty.
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> usr_: then you need to undo whatever you did, then install the 64bit version
[22:36] <usr_> ActionParsnip, by any chance do you know if this might be caused because the file I am trying to install may be compiled for a 32 bit version (which I think it is)
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> usr_: yes, you need to match the arch
[22:37] <OerHeks> usr_, i see no mention of a linux package @ pogoplug
[22:37] <illunatic> ArseneRei: tty terminal resolution?
[22:37] <DuartmaN> hi, anybody know how to change audio sample rate on ubunut?
[22:38] <ArseneRei> illunatic: I don't know what that is.
[22:38] <DuartmaN> my audio card play sound with hight pitch
[22:38] <ArseneRei> I know tty and terminal and resolution, but not together.
[22:38] <ArseneRei> I will say this happens for all terminals, not just my favorite.
[22:38] <tbruff13> can someone help me install this program for apt-fast http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1435-1blink-updater-an-interface-to-simply-install-apt-fast
[22:38] <usr_> OerHeks, http://www.pogoplug.com/downloads.html
[22:39] <zykotick9> usr_, did you notice the "Requires i686 32-bit." message?
[22:40] <usr_> I found the 64bit version
[22:40] <usr_> http://download.cnet.com/Pogoplug-Drive-for-Linux-64-bit/3000-18500_4-75446034.html
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: easier: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/11/apt-fast-accelerates-your-apt-get.html
[22:40] <tbruff13> thanks
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: apt-fast is the bom!
[22:41] <tbruff13> ActionParsnip: help how do i get synaptic to use it too
[22:41] <usr_> that looks interesting... what is the difference (besides speed) between apt-get and apt-fast?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: not sure there dude, sorry. I don't use synaptic
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> usr_: lots, it downloads from multiple locations
[22:42] <usr_> is this a recent development?
[22:43] <rodhash> Hello folks.. Please, I'm trying to install just the lxdm (Login Manager) to use instead of GDM, which is not lightweight.. actually even gets close... But when trying to install lxdm it tries to remove two really important packages: ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop... How can I install it without removing anything?
[22:43] <usr_> I have been disconnected from linux since I got my new job :( they use the trouble OS
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> usr_: not sure, not really looked, nor do I think it'simportant
[22:44] <DeltaEpsilon> what is the command to restart network-manager (applet)?
[22:44] <tbruff13> ActionParsnip: help me install 1blinkupdater
[22:45] <tbruff13> http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1435-1blink-updater-an-interface-to-simply-install-apt-fast
[22:45] <tbruff13> the repo is down i think
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: the repo stated only supports up to maverick
[22:46] <usr_> ActionParsnip, zykotick9, OerHeks, I got the pogoplug 64bit working yeeeiii :)  Thanks guys
[22:46] <tbruff13> ActionParsnip: well i am using linux mint based on ubuntu so how can i add the repo to my sources and install the maveric version
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: mint isn't supported here
[22:47] <usr_> has anyone tried adding more fnctionality to pogoplug, is anyone familiar with the device?
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> usr_: wtg
[22:47] <tbruff13> i know but it is based on ubuntu and all ubuntu packages work with it
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> !mint | tbruff13
[22:48] <tbruff13> i know i know but you guys are more help so please just tell me how you would add it in ubuntu
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: by the same token, if you ask for support in #debian (which ubuntu is based on) you will be directed here
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: its really that simple
[22:48] <OerHeks> tbruff13, read back, to the link ActionParsnip gave u
[22:49] <tbruff13> i have that link and i know how to install apt-fast but how do i get to work with synaptic
[22:49] <zykotick9> tbruff13, your choice of distro dictates the support you get
[22:50] <tbruff13> ok fine be like that
[22:50] <phillyj> i'm trying to put the terminal to the background but not sure what "System->preferences->sessions, "Startup Programs" " refers to. help?
[22:50] <DeltaEpsilon> what is the command to restart network-manager (applet)?
[22:50] <rodhash> Guys, can I install lxdm in Maverick without removing anything else? Like conflicting packages (ubuntu-desktop)?
[22:50] <urlin2u> rodhash, yes
[22:51] <dhdfb> C Programming Question: Can I define a function in the .h file instead of having separate .c and .h  files?
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> tbruff13: its not like that, you aren't using ubuntu, your support is elsewhere
[22:51] <clemenstimpler> hi everyone - does anyone have an idea how to file a bug against a translation in launchpad?
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> !bug | clemenstimpler
[22:51] <notlistening> dhdfb, That is bad practise
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> dhdfb: I'd ask in #c
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> dhdfb: you could, but it's not great
[22:52] <notlistening> If you running compilers they will not expect that to be found in a header
[22:52] <rodhash> urlin2u: How? During aptitude install it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop
[22:53] <dhdfb> Got it. I'll leave em separate. Thanks guys
[22:53] <Guest19247> hey all, once i have had firefox on my luncher by i accidentally took the checkbox off(keep on luncher option), and the icon just disappeared how may i return it back onto luncher ?
[22:53] <urlin2u> rodhash, well then your question is answered, I guess.
[22:53] <Packrat3> ok doods...got a problem with sound on a compaq CQ56 runnin 10.04... my alsa driver is up to date....but i can only get sound via headfones...
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> Guest19247: run the browser, when it reappears, right click it and select 'keep in launcher' or whatever it says
[22:54] <Packrat3> searched the forums and found the problem, however they said to "upgrade to alsa version 1.0.23" im at 1.0.24..
[22:54] <urlin2u> Guest19247, launch it and right click-keep in launcher
[22:54] <Guest19247> ActionParsnip, the problem is exactly that it does't appear no longer on luncher
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> Guest19247: or drag from dash
[22:55] <Guest19247> ActionParsnip, does't keep there:( I drag-drop but as i leave the left click to done it, it automatically goes off, actually it's not FireFox it's Poker game
[22:56] <rodhash> Guys, lxdm conflicts with this package, is this important to the system or can I remove it?
[22:56] <rodhash>   lxdm: Conflicts: libpam-ck-connector but 0.4.1-4ubuntu1 is installed.
[22:56]  * Packrat3 sighs
[22:58] <Guest19247> ActionParsnip, urlin2u ok i tried the same with FireFox it worked... it appeared back, but my Poker game did't... as i run poker game it does't appear on luncher :(
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> rodhash: what is the output of:  lsb_release -c
[22:59] <rodhash> Codename:       maverick
[22:59] <Guest2070> how can i have mutt fetch mails and then exit, all from the command line?
[22:59] <Guest2070> mutt is an email client
[22:59] <Fudge> ehlo, if a w/card is listed in lsusb does that mean that it  can be used. iwlist is not showing any networks
[23:01] <ubuxubu> is 11.04 ubuntu a LTS ?
[23:01] <Guest2070> wat is lts?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> ubuxubu: no
[23:01] <zykotick9> ubuxubu, no - 10.04LTS is
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> !lts
[23:01] <ubuxubu> so that means 10.04 is the current LTS
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> ubuxubu: yes, 12.04 is the next LTS
[23:02] <ubuxubu> when does the LTS expire for ubuntu 10.04?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> ubuxubu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[23:04] <Packrat3> grumble stupid...alsa...grumble
[23:04] <ubuxubu> ty ActionParsnip
[23:04] <Fudge> ActionParsnip  u know about firmware for ralink wifi cards?
[23:04] <ubuxubu> all set here
[23:05] <ubuxubu> i like 10.04 the best anyway
[23:05] <starZ> hi there - do you know if it's possible to change or delete a comment on launchpad.net ??
[23:05] <notlistening> anyone have experience with open-chrome video driver and 11.04 & >
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: nearly nothing
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> notlistening: i've only seen people needing to use xorg.conf to make them work
[23:07] <Fudge> ActionParsnip  i figure that lsusb showing the card means it is working
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> ubuxubu: oneiric here, works fine :)
[23:07] <ubuxubu> is that one 11.04?
[23:08] <notlistening> ActionParsnip, all i get is a blank screen now
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> Fudge: no, just shows it's detected
[23:08] <mrdeb> hi, is everyone in ubuntu ok from the hurrican
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> notlistening: try the boot option: nomodeset
[23:08] <mrdeb> ?
[23:08] <notlistening> do i add that on the grub command line?
[23:09] <urlin2u> mrdeb, not ubuntu support, and would not be discussed here anyway.
[23:09] <phillyj> can i get a transparent terminal such that i can see programs behind it like firefox?
[23:09] <phillyj> the transparency settings only let me see the desktop background
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> !nomodeset | notlistening
[23:12] <urlin2u> phillyj, you are doing it already I can see FF behind my slightly transparent terminal
[23:12] <urlin2u> in 11.04 phillyj
[23:14] <mrdeb> i am just concerned ok, for ppl in storm
[23:14] <mrdeb> once in lifetime
[23:14] <urlin2u> phillyj, are you adjusting the transparency in the terminal edit-profile preferences?
[23:15] <Fudge> thanks ActionParsnip
[23:15] <urlin2u> mrdeb, we all are but understand boundaries.
[23:15] <urlin2u> generally lol
[23:16] <ubuxubu> i am about to install 10.04 on a vista laptop. i am debating at this moment whether to use the wubi install or partition the drive-any comment are appreciated on the the better/safer method...considering the fact that i am doing it on a vista machine.
[23:16] <zhiwei> hello,veryone.I can't use banshee to listen music,when I start up banshee, exception info:Exception in Gtk# callback delegate
[23:16] <zhiwei>   Note: Applications can use GLib.ExceptionManager.UnhandledException to handle the exception.
[23:16] <ubuxubu> i do have vista back up disks.
[23:16] <urlin2u> ubuxubu, your choice wubi is not for lng time use and is just a file in windows subject to it's breakage
[23:16] <shbk> hello, I 've makefile.  it's whole file: obj-m += hello.o
[23:16] <shbk> all:
[23:16] <shbk> make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules  , when I do make, I receive:  "make: Nothing to be done for `all'."  I'm confused
[23:16] <shbk>  why make doesn't do nothing?
[23:17] <obert-> hello. how to use find to find a string inside a folder?
[23:17] <ubuxubu> yes urlin2u but i dont see why it wouldnt last
[23:17] <zhiwei> shbk: banshee can't start,do you see my message?
[23:17] <urlin2u> ubuxubu, the designer states not for long time use is that enough?
[23:17] <shbk> zhiwei:see
[23:18] <qmr> how do I install smartmontools without mail?
[23:18] <ubuxubu> urlin2u hmmm was not aware the designer said that-interesting.
[23:18] <zhiwei> shbk: do you know how to resolve this problem?
[23:18] <shbk> zhiwei,banshee, it's music player, what is connection
[23:18] <shbk> ?
[23:18] <phillyj> urlin2u: im in 10.04 and yes, thru terminal prefs
[23:18] <ubuxubu> urlin2u-i guess that settles that
[23:18] <zhiwei> shbk:  wireless
[23:19] <xnixan> Hi, how to use msn voice chat under ubuntu?
[23:21] <Fudge> ActionParsnip  wlan0 is actually up though, is that much of an indication
[23:21] <urlin2u> ubuxubu, you can run it then transfer it to a partition though, some have used it longer then a try out period, but if it breaks the work to fix it is sktchy in some situations and not worth the loss to be honest.
[23:22] <farchord> Hey guys, got a problem and it's annoying the bejeesus out of me. I used xubuntu yesterday and it worked fine, did system updates and rebooted. Now, when I start xubuntu, I get to the desktop, but windows have no title bar, the start bar appears but disappears soon after, and I can't type anything anywhere
[23:22] <ubuxubu> urlin2u-i am experienced, so i am just gonna stick it on its own partition...i just dont trust vista haha.
[23:22] <ubuxubu> done it many time with xp
[23:22] <farchord> almost like if the update just.... turned everything upside down
[23:23] <urlin2u> ubuxubu, good plan. :D
[23:23] <notlistening> nomodeset failed :(
[23:24] <Bilz> hello. I have a SATA 500 mb internal hard drive with plenty of files on it that I need to retrieve. i've got a SATA to USB converter, and im plugging it in to my laptop. it shows up in Disk Utility
[23:24] <Bilz> ubuntu 10.10. However, I can't access anything on it or mount it anywhere, any ideas?
[23:24] <BuMpIc> hi all
[23:25] <BuMpIc> could anybody tell me how IRC is working?
[23:25] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, what?
[23:25] <ubuxubu> urlin2u: have u noticed anything about 11.04 that really makes it better than 10.04?
[23:25] <rodhash> Guys, which Display Manager you suggest instead of GDM or KDM?
[23:26] <rodhash> A lightweight one
[23:26] <notlistening> The fact the is has unity which i hate / like at the same time
[23:26] <notlistening> that my system boots 7 seconds flat :D
[23:26] <NS_tech> ok i lost all previous chat  and i know i posted this before so i al=pologize for the redundancy.
[23:26] <NS_tech> why wont sudo apt install alien work?
[23:26] <urlin2u> ubuxubu, I like the latest releases, not sure of any differences, it has been a long time since using lucid.
[23:26] <notlistening> sudo apt-get install alien?
[23:26] <urlin2u> !pm | BuMpIc
[23:26] <cornet> rodhash: gdm currently using 1.6MB resident memory
[23:27] <BuMpIc> so i dont understand this.Im new with linux and wtf is this that when i go to an irc server everybody is shutted up?
[23:27] <NS_tech> thanks not listening
[23:27] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, some sre idling some are actualy looking at the screen
[23:27] <urlin2u> are
[23:28] <pasha_> people still use irc?
[23:28] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, it might not hurt to remember that it is all free you get what you pay for. ;-)
[23:28] <rodhash> pasha_: lol, I used to think that too... but it still extremelly powerful / useful
[23:29] <BuMpIc> how can I say somethintg to you with this red fonts?:D
[23:29] <pasha_> oh, I know...i'm in some form of irc every day
[23:29] <NS_tech> http://pastebin.com/B0Rn8njk
[23:29] <NS_tech> what does that mean?
[23:30] <Grim147> iam about to move over to ubuntu , and i see they have gone a differnt route from gnome , how stable is this unity de ?
[23:31] <_melvin__> i have tow wlan cards in the laptop. one is a Realtek RTL8192SU, the other a Centrino Wireless-N 1000. The Realtek connects with 300 MB/s but the N1000 only with 30 MB/s. what can i do?
[23:31] <BuMpIc> so how can i send for someone a message? (what he see with red fonts?)
[23:32] <urlin2u> Grim147, depends on the user and hardware, many use it with no problems, try a live cd.
[23:32] <_melvin__> i have loaded the iwlagn with: modprobe  iwlagn 11n_disable=0
[23:32] <urlin2u> Grim147, 11.10 is unity and gnome3 as well
[23:33] <pasha_> BuMpIc,  use /msg 'Nickname' 'message'
[23:33] <rodhash> Grim147: I'm not sure about the stability but I can say it's not so lightweight... also Linus said that
[23:33] <mrdeb> is it true that unbutu is heavier than windows 7 with ram
[23:33] <BuMpIc> or
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> mrdeb: depends on config
[23:34] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, don't just send messages or PM without asking.
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> mrdeb: a default install, no
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> mrdeb: my Lubuntu install uses waaay less
[23:35] <jose33_Spaniard> testing..
[23:36] <pasha_> fail
[23:36] <pasha_> no, you pass
[23:36] <jose33_Spaniard> can you readme ??
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> jose33_Spaniard: yes
[23:37] <coz_> jose33_Spaniard,  yep
[23:37] <jose33_Spaniard> ok, thank you:)
[23:38] <jose33_Spaniard> I wanted to know if I can use Linux in a HP all-in-one computer.
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> jose33_Spaniard: yes
[23:39] <jose33_Spaniard> ActionParsnip, how do you know it??
[23:39] <coz_> jose33_Spaniard,  o ne way to check is to download and burn the live cd  and run it on that system
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> jose33_Spaniard: because most stuff works, you may need a little work to get some stuff running
[23:40] <coz_> jose33_Spaniard, and HP  supports ubuntu as well as selling systems with ubuntu pre installed
[23:40] <jose33_Spaniard> unfortunately, I can't do that:(
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> do what?
[23:40] <coz_> jose33_Spaniard,  that system doesnt have a cd burner?
[23:40] <jose33_Spaniard> I cannot test it
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> jose33_Spaniard: why not?
[23:41] <jose33_Spaniard> in my country, that kind of computer are not in normal stores
[23:42] <jose33_Spaniard> you have to order it
[23:42] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, do not pm people with asking you have done this twice to me I had the bot tell you why once and asked you not to do this on the channel
[23:42] <BuMpIc> what is nmap?
[23:42] <coz_> jose33_Spaniard,  so are you ordering one?
[23:42] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, a third time knock iy off
[23:42] <dmkae> hi all
[23:42] <urlin2u> it
[23:42] <coz_> jose33_Spaniard,  if it is an HP is is more than likely that Ubuntu will work,, and Ubuntu is going to work on most modern systems
[23:43] <dmkae> im getting the hall.dll not found error when trying to boot ubuntu with wubi
[23:43] <jose33_Spaniard> I was gonna do it.
[23:43] <Phase> What's the command that "refreshes" an open terminal to account for changes to $HOME/bin, .bashrc, etc?
[23:43] <dmkae> i installed ubuntu in another drive besides the windows one
[23:43] <dmkae> anyone know how to solve that hall.dll error?
[23:43] <bastidrazor> Phase: source $HOME/bin  or .bashrc
[23:43] <jose33_Spaniard> i'd like to be 100% sure
[23:44] <robotti^_> hello
[23:44] <robotti^_> I installed ubuntu and now I cannot boot on Windows anymore.
[23:44] <robotti^_> how to make windows bootable?
[23:44] <urlin2u> dmkae, pastebin the errors
[23:44] <jose33_Spaniard> it's not in the HCL web page:(
[23:44] <Phase> bastidrazor: thanks
[23:45] <bastidrazor> Phase: you're welcome
[23:45] <jpmh> I have connected an old parallel printer to a usb port using a cable that makes the conversion.  I can cp file /dev/usb/lp0 and it works - I have configured the printer and the jobs get queued but do not come out - any ideas
[23:46] <urlin2u> robotti^_, run this script and pastebin the whole RESULTS.text  http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[23:46] <BuMpIc> urlin2u! I didnt wanted to send u this to PM i just dont fkin know how to send a message to you here with red fonts and i asked this hundred tmies. /msg is pm and i didnt know it
[23:46] <jose33_Spaniard> I'm talking about the HP Omni200 computers family
[23:46] <urlin2u> !pm | BuMpIc
[23:47] <BuMpIc> M
[23:47] <BuMpIc> ?
[23:47] <bao_> welcome.my first time
[23:47] <dmkae> i can boot to windows
[23:47] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, pming without asking is considered rude by many of us, to get the notification to a person in the channel tab the nic
[23:47] <dmkae> but i cant boot to ubuntu
[23:47] <dmkae> it says Hall.dll is not found
[23:48] <dmkae> isnt hal.dll a windows file?
[23:48] <urlin2u> dmkae, boot a live cd, is this a Wubi install>
[23:48] <urlin2u> ?
[23:48] <dmkae> yes
[23:48] <dmkae> wubi
[23:48] <dmkae> i have 2 drives
[23:48] <dmkae> one with windows
[23:48] <dmkae> the other with ubuntu
[23:48] <dmkae> i installed ubuntu with wubi in the other drive
[23:48] <urlin2u> dmkae, look here.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1639198
[23:48] <vlt> Hello. How can I install a .deb package and all its dependancies?
[23:49] <BuMpIc> i just want to know how to send a message with u know your name and a , and the message
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> dmkae: try pressing ENTER less too
[23:49] <dmkae> enter less?
[23:49] <dmkae> ok
[23:49] <urlin2u> lol
[23:49] <dmkae> thats the big 51 page thread
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> BuMpIc: type a few of the first characters of a nick, then press TAB
[23:49] <dmkae> i already looked at that thread
[23:50] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, all the info you need is here. http://freenode.net/
[23:50] <BuMpIc> ActionParsnip, fu.k thanx.Im asking this about half an hour:D
[23:50] <urlin2u> dmkae, you only need the first post, and if you don't underdstand post in the thread
[23:50] <BuMpIc> urlin2u, know i understand
[23:51] <robotti^_> urlin2u: http://paste.ubuntu.com/676261/
[23:51] <BuMpIc> urlin2u, *now
[23:51] <BuMpIc> urlin2u, so could u tell me waht is nmap?
[23:52] <urlin2u> BuMpIc, I have no idea ;-)
[23:52] <BuMpIc> urlin2u, ok :)
[23:52] <robotti^_> urlin2u: what is the problem?
[23:53] <Thelmaria> BuMpIc: NMap is a network mapping tool. If it's installed, open a termianl and type "man nmap" for the manual page. Otherwise google is helpful.
[23:53] <BuMpIc> Thelmaria, thanx.
[23:53] <jose33_Spaniard> does anyone know if the HP Omni200 computers family has Linux support. They're "all-in-one" computers and they are not in "normal" stores, so I cannot test it with a Live CD.
[23:54] <Silly> Is there a way to change the display a program is running on? For example, I have a program running on display :0, but I would then like to change it to be on :1 without closing the application. Is that possible?
[23:54] <BuMpIc> Thelmaria, can u use it?
[23:54] <jose33_Spaniard> does anyone has an all-in-one computer???
[23:54] <dmkae> do the wubildr files have to be on c:\?
[23:55] <dmkae> or do they have to be on the drive where ubuntu wubi is installed?
[23:55] <Thelmaria>  BuMpIc: I use it occasionally, but if you want to use it, I suggest reading the man page and searching google. It can be a little complex. Also, be warned that you shouldn't use it on networks you do not own.
[23:56] <robotti^_> urlin2u: have you checked it?
[23:56] <urlin2u> robotti^_, you have a mixture of gpt efi and regular mbr partitioning, you have grub in sda when windows is in sdc and I see no /bootmgr /Boot/BCD  needed to boot windows, out of my area with efi.
[23:56] <BuMpIc> Thelmaria, so this is like a hacking stuff or what?
[23:57] <BuMpIc> urlin2u, if i downloaded a program source code and i cimpiled it and i get a dir then how can i start it?
[23:57] <robotti^_> urlin2u: previously it have been working.
[23:57] <usr_> anyone knows of any plugin for rythmbox to modify the metadata on songs to add genre based on any online database such as firefm?
[23:57] <robotti^_> urlin2u: but now I have installed it again.
[23:57] <urlin2u> robotti^_, no bootflag on the windows partition as ell.
[23:57] <robotti^_> now it does not
[23:57] <dmkae> hello??
[23:57] <dmkae> anyone konw?
[23:58] <urlin2u> robotti^_, did you remove a partition in any of the work?
[23:58] <jose33_Spaniard> BuMpIc, is it a tar.gz file??
[23:58] <robotti^_> urlin2u: I am not sure
[23:58] <urlin2u> dmkae, wubi is best served being in C
[23:58] <BuMpIc> jose33_Spaniard, yeah it was
[23:58] <robotti^_> urlin2u: I removed linux partition when I was installing
[23:59] <pasha> robotti^_, why would you do that
[23:59] <robotti^_> but how I can get it on working condition.
[23:59] <urlin2u> robotti^_, you are missing that file set I posted, can be added with a windows disc if sdc1 has the bootflag, and then put grub in the sdc mbr
[23:59] <jose33_Spaniard> ok, first is: tar -xvzf <file_name>


[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[17:31] <Logan_> dholbach: mind a PM?
[17:31] <dholbach> Logan_, not at all
[21:29] <Unit193> quadrispro: 1. Thanks for the gmusicbrowser upload.  2. Is there any reason I should request to be in the LP pkg-multimedia group?  3. Sorry for not seeing it, but is there a page that outlines when someone should be added to 'uploaders'?