[00:05] <smoser> genii-around, try nomodeset
[00:06] <smoser> as a kernel option.
[00:07] <genii-around> smoser: I'm looking into the video card, hard to tell what driver it normally would use
[00:08] <genii-around> http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1a03/2000 is not enlightening me
[00:08] <smoser> your problem is for server?
[00:08] <smoser> or desktop
[00:10] <firc> server
[00:10] <genii-around> smoser: They want server but video blanks out, even with vga set at boot. Desktop apparently loads fine but no raid support
[00:11] <genii-around> ( and yet their system is on the list of certified systems)
[00:11] <genii-around> firc: Did you try the nomodeset ?
[00:12] <firc> yeah, just did. same result. Blank screen
[00:12] <smoser> genii-around, try passing cmdline 'nomodeset'
[00:13] <firc> did that too. (F6) and added nomodeset
[00:16] <firc> I have to go now. But thanks for the help genii-around and smoser. I'll try this again tomorrow. At least now I know its the video driver causing the issue
[00:16] <genii-around> firc: I'll be here all week 10am onwards EDT
[00:16] <firc> great. thanks!
[02:17] <delinquentme> Can curl be used to get the IP of the server which a particular domain name resolves to?
[02:21] <rext7> just use nslookup
[02:21] <rext7> nslookup www.whatever.com
[02:21] <sarnold> delinquentme: I don't see any command line options that sound like they'd do it in the --help listing... but you could use 'host' (which may return several potential IPs...) or you could use ping, which will do the lookup and then route a packet to the host...
[02:21] <sarnold> nslookup, blast from the past :)
[02:21] <rext7> or "host www.whatever.com"
[02:21] <delinquentme> sarnold, turns out that googling <url> IP
[02:21] <rext7> dig
[02:21] <delinquentme> does just fine
[02:21] <rext7> whatever
[02:22] <sarnold> delinquentme: oof. if you don't mind using a web browser and an unrelated external service...
[02:22] <sarnold> .. and one that didn't work for me on the first one I tried. :)
[02:22] <delinquentme> sarnold, I tried ping .. i guess I was missing some option?
[02:23] <sarnold> oof, well, neither ping nor host nor nslookup nor dig will take an url, just the hostname
[02:23] <sarnold> $ ping wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:23] <sarnold> PING wiki.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:24] <sarnold> ... :)
[02:24] <delinquentme> AHHH the slashes
[02:24] <delinquentme> ping dislikes them.
[02:25] <sarnold> yeah. turning an URL into a hostname may take a bit of ugly regex work :(
[02:25] <rext7> echo "http://www.yahoo.com" | awk -F\/\/ '{print $2}'
[02:26] <rext7> maybe?
[02:27] <sarnold> rext7: now handle :ports :)
[02:27] <sarnold> and username@passwords
[02:27] <sarnold> anyway, dinner for real now :)
[02:40] <Sprocks> has anyone set up an IRC server with nickserv and chanserv on ubuntu?
[04:59] <Gallomimia> hi. i just noticed avahi-daemon running on my ubuntu 12.04 server. It's a vds, and after researching what it is.... i really have to wonder where it came from (i just did some apt updates and rebooted)
[04:59] <CrypticS_> it's a zero-config daemon
[04:59] <CrypticS_> like bonjour for mac/windows
[05:00] <Gallomimia> this is a virtual server in a data center
[05:00] <Gallomimia> a question i have to ask, with no possible way to answer, is was it there before.
[05:00] <Gallomimia> the next question is, do i need it
[05:01] <Gallomimia> hm. two instances of it...
[05:01] <CrypticS_> read the docs to answer the second question
[06:24] <Lavvy> Hello guys, someone should tell me how to locate openstack in ubuntu server install, cos ubuntu says it shipps ubuntu 12.xx with openstack. Please am newbei in ubuntu
[06:27] <sarnold> Lavvy: in general, 'apt-cache search foo' will search the package repositories you have configured for any packages matching 'foo' in the name or description; apt-cache search openstack shows a lot of related packages, hopefully you'll be able to sort out what you need from there...
[06:28] <Lavvy> Ok tanx
[06:34] <cornfeed> anyone around that has experience with setting up a serial console?
[08:57] <SinZ> damn, ubuntu server 12.04 doesnt contain wireless keyboard drivers in the installer, meaning I cant even choose the language
[09:06] <SinZ> nvm, appears it was just that wireless keyboard
[09:09] <SinZ> The absence of WPA2-PSK worries me
[09:20] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem on slapd when upgrading from lucid to precise: it says that slapcat cannot be run
[09:21] <AnAnt> it seems that bug fix on #990742 didn't fix it !
[09:30] <AnAnt> ah, fixed it by installing lucid's libsasl2-2 & libsasl2-modules !
[10:22] <harovali> I was in need to run linux kernel 3.2.x in Lucid, so I copied a sources.list from a precise 12.04 LTS installation, then I ran apt-get update and then apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-31-generic-pae. This functioned well. The machine rebooted fine. However, the network did not get up. I went back to the original sources.list and removed the 3.2 kernel, and now I'm fine back at the Lucid backported kernel. What can ha
[12:52] <tobin> Anyone around that can help troubleshoot an issue with the latest precise cloud image? I'm trying to re-package the amd64 ebs backend image as a custom AMI. I keep hitting issues with grub.
[13:55] <genii-around> Was the fellow firc from yesterday back in yet? He had the LSI megaraid on Dell Poweredge C6100 ( Ubuntu certified system ) that the video was not working with the installer even with nomodeset or using vga
[13:58]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[14:10] <ppetraki> can I just create an empty container using juju so I can prototype a charm in that environment?
[14:11]  * ppetraki whoops wrong channel
[14:29] <Belgarath> hi, anybody managed to install bfa brocade fiber channel scsi cards 415/815 on ubuntu?
[14:29] <Belgarath> I see the drivers loading but the FC stays dead
[14:51] <bubu\a> Hi guys, ubuntu 10.04 server I want to put in http_proxy  into a user env. Where is best place to do this? ~/.bashrc ?
[14:52] <bubu\a> and if i put it in ~/.bashrc for the user
[14:52] <Pici> bubu\a: for one user, or for all users?
[14:52] <bubu\a> do I need to use http_proxy or export http_proxy ?
[14:52] <bubu\a> for one user..
[14:52] <jpds> bubu\a: Either one.
[14:53] <bubu\a> what is the diff?
[14:53] <jpds> bubu\a: export will send the variable to sub-shells.
[14:54] <bubu\a> so if that user is using a ruby application to try and reach out to rubygems.org over a proxy....and the ruby application is configured to take the env variables for that user...it should be all good..?
[14:54] <jpds> bubu\a: Should be.
[14:55] <bubu\a> and if i wanted a specific address/IP not to be proxied
[14:55] <bubu\a> I can use the export no_proxy="ipnottoproxy"
[14:55] <bubu\a> ?
[14:56] <jpds> bubu\a: Yes.
[14:56] <bubu\a> ok cool
[14:56] <bubu\a> and when I use envprint | grep proxy
[14:57] <bubu\a> and I can see my http_proxy, https_proxy and no_proxy setting
[14:57] <bubu\a> looks like they have been applied OK ..
[15:02] <jpds> bubu\a: Only one way to find out if they work.
[15:44] <pitti> hello
[15:44] <pitti> I was setting up CanoniStack and juju, and "juju bootstrap" and "juju ssh 0" works fine
[15:45] <pitti> but if I try "juju deploy" with anything (tried postgresql and jibel's jhbuild charm), the new "instance-id" keeps being at "pending", and nothing happens
[15:45] <pitti> it's sitting like that for > 1 hour without any output in juju debug-log
[15:46] <pitti> any idea how I can debug that?
[15:47] <melmoth> pitti can you see the vm with nova list ?
[15:47] <melmoth> can you log in it with ssh ?
[15:47] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285076/ FYI
[15:47] <pitti> melmoth: ah, I don't have nova installed, but I can't see it in euca-describe-instances
[15:48] <melmoth> try to ssh in it. If you can, then you should be able to see what s going on with the charm install in /var/lib/juju/something
[15:48]  * pitti installs python-novaclient
[15:48] <pitti> melmoth: there is no instance
[15:48] <melmoth> oh.
[15:48] <melmoth> not normal.
[15:48] <pitti> just the default one created by bootstrap ("0")
[15:48] <pitti> but any other instance that deploy wants to create is never instantiated apparently
[15:49] <melmoth> try to launch a vm manually, may be there s a problem there ?
[15:49] <pitti> melmoth: "nova list" also just has the default ("0") one, just like euca-describe-instances and juju status
[15:49] <melmoth> have also a look at euca-describe-groups
[15:49] <melmoth> i have met people who had so many fallout from previous bootstrap that they hitted the quota for security group
[15:50] <pitti> melmoth: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285273/
[15:50] <melmoth> that does not look like more than the default quota (dont know the numbe ron top of my head, but it more than that)
[15:50] <pitti> melmoth: disclaimer, I just started with that whole juju thing some two hours ago, so I'm still learning
[15:51] <pitti> melmoth: launch a VM manually> is that "euca-something"?
[15:51] <melmoth> pitti does it works if you nova boot an instance ? euca-run-instances -k $NOVA_USERNAME -t m1.tiny ami-000000bf
[15:51] <pitti> I don't see an euca-create-instance or similar
[15:52] <pitti> melmoth: yes, I immediately get a new "pending" one
[15:52] <melmoth> if it works, check the ami you use in the environment.yaml is the same as the one you can boot instance manually
[15:52] <melmoth> if it is, try juju deploy with --verbose (or is it --debug ?)
[15:52] <melmoth> just in case there s some hint
[15:53] <pitti> melmoth: my environments.yaml doesn't have an ami name
[15:53] <melmoth> ahhh. This may be a problem.
[15:53] <melmoth> juju needs to know wich image to pick
[15:53] <pitti> melmoth: but the default one that "juju bootstrap" created is the same, ami-000000bf
[15:53] <pitti> melmoth: hm, how come that "boostrap" can figure it out, but not "deploy"?
[15:54] <melmoth> no idea.
[15:54] <melmoth> here, i have a default-image-id: something in my environment.yaml
[15:54] <pitti> default-image-id: bb636e4f-79d7-4d6b-b13b-c7d53419fd5a
[15:54] <pitti> melmoth: ^ I do have this
[15:55] <pitti> (sorry, I thought it's something with ami-...)
[15:55] <melmoth> hmmm, does not look like a euca- image id (looks like a nova one)
[15:55] <melmoth> but may be you are not using the ec2 type (type: ec2) so in this case it could be ok
[15:55] <melmoth> i dont know, i always use the ec2 type
[15:56] <melmoth> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/provider-configuration-openstack.html indeed, i think you are using the openstack provider
[15:56] <pitti> melmoth: right, I'm using openstack_s3 (that's canonistack, not EC2)
[15:57] <pitti> not amazon ec2, anyway
[15:57] <pitti> melmoth: I'll clean up the pending service and my test machine, and try again with --verbose
[16:03] <hallyn> smb: i could still be doing somethign wrong, but using mostly the same juju charm, using canonistack, in precise using openvswitch-datapath-dkms gre tunnels work for me, while in quantal using the upstream openvswitch module, they do not.
[16:04] <hallyn> (i'll get some tcpdump traces this afternoon to see if i can figure out where packets get lost)
[16:04] <hallyn> has anyone here used openvswitch gre tunnels in quantal (recently)?
[16:05] <smb> hallyn, You catch me without any context loaded and I am not sure I want to unload my current one... :)
[16:05] <pitti> melmoth: so, I just cleaned up everything and ran it again, and this time I see it in nova list, but still pending in juju status: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285302/
[16:07] <hallyn> smb: sorry, i thought i'd pinged you on openvswitch when i was having trouble before (which turned out to be amazon-specific)
[16:07] <hallyn> smb: keep your current context, i'll ping you when i get more data :)  thx
[16:07] <melmoth> can if ssh in it  ? If not what does nova console-logs fd129f09-4606-4b25-8c6f-1ef47cca2442 says ?
[16:08] <melmoth> pitti,once the machine has your ssh key (you ll see that on the console output), you can ssh in it
[16:08] <melmoth> from there, you can try to see if there some problem with the actual charm being deployed
[16:08] <smb> hallyn, Oh, hm, maybe but it might have been lost to me. Thanks, yeah best with a bug report (maybe subscribe me there and hopefully I notice any updates)
[16:09] <hallyn> smb: since module is now upstream, bug against linux is appropriate?
[16:09] <pitti> melmoth: ah, I can't yet, it seems (no public IP)
[16:10] <smb> hallyn, If it was upstream in quantal yeah, might be a start at least
[16:10] <melmoth> you should be able to ssh to the private one as well (with some ssh/config trick)
[16:11] <hallyn> smb: thx
[16:11] <melmoth> pitti https://pastebin.canonical.com/76737/
[16:13] <pitti> melmoth: ah, thanks; I'm in
[16:13] <melmoth> \o/
[16:13] <pitti> melmoth: so it seems juju status doesn't see this, as machine "5" is still "instance-id: pending"?
[16:13] <melmoth> may be the charm is still installing
[16:13] <pitti> melmoth: there's nothing running on that server
[16:13] <pitti> melmoth: and on debug-log I didn't see anything the whole time, including the 'deploy' command
[16:14] <melmoth> do you have a /var/lib/juju ?
[16:14] <pitti> melmoth: deploy --verbose -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285293/
[16:14] <pitti> melmoth: /var/lib/juju> no
[16:14] <pitti> dpkg -l *juju* -> none
[16:14] <melmoth>  a /var/log/cloud-init something ?
[16:15] <pitti> yes, cloud-init.log
[16:15] <melmoth> look in there for any error
[16:15] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285321/
[16:15] <pitti> doesn't look like anything error-ish
[16:16] <melmoth> hmmm
[16:17] <pitti> melmoth: I can try again with another charm, would that help?
[16:17] <melmoth> it cannot hurt :)
[16:17] <pitti> postgresql didn't seem too happy either, is there a common one which really Ought To Work ™?
[16:17] <melmoth> mysql ?
[16:18] <melmoth> pitti can you add this key on <IP_ADDRESS>  /home/ubuntu/.ssh/authorized_keys (and be sure it s chmoded 0600) ?
[16:18] <melmoth> https://pastebin.canonical.com/76738/
[16:18] <melmoth> so i can log in, just in case
[16:19] <pitti> melmoth: done
[16:20] <melmoth> ok, i m in. let s dig
[16:21] <pitti> melmoth: oh fun, I issued "terminate-machine 5" several minutes ago, and it's still up
[16:21] <melmoth> huhu
[16:22] <pitti> melmoth: (I did this after we discussed "try again with mysql")
[16:22]  * pitti runs that anyway, shouldn't get in the way
[16:22] <melmoth> i dont understand why there s no trace of juju whatshoewever
[16:23] <pitti> melmoth: in case it matters, it's the "juju" package from current (i. e. final) quantal
[16:23] <pitti> not precise
[16:24] <pitti> ran "mysql"; first problem again, machine 7: instance: pending, and nothing in "nova list"
[16:24] <pitti> nor in euca-describe-instances
[16:24] <melmoth> weird.
[16:24] <melmoth> i m wondering if  i m logged in on a machine juju started or may be the one you launched manually instead
[16:25] <melmoth> because it was able to contact the metadata server but it does not even looks like it try to install juju
[16:25] <pitti> melmoth: it should be a juju-started one; I don't remember starting a machine manually, how would I do that?
[16:25] <melmoth> euca-run-instances or nova boot
[16:25] <pitti> oooh, sorry
[16:25] <pitti> right
[16:25] <pitti> that was it
[16:26] <melmoth> huhuh
[16:26] <melmoth> ok. logging off this one then.
[16:26] <pitti> melmoth: alright, so at least it's consistent -- juju deploy doesn't create machines, and instance-id: stays at "pending"
[16:26] <pitti> melmoth: killing that machine, to reduce confusion
[16:27] <pitti> gone
[16:27] <melmoth> so, looks like your juju cannot start instances
[16:27] <melmoth> let s try to boot one with nova, and the same image id
[16:28] <melmoth> nova boot --flavor 1 --image 45203e5e-7a6a-4493-aa24-ea783460cbf9 --key_name mykey myinstance
[16:28] <melmoth> something like that ^
[16:28] <melmoth> just not sure what you should use for the mykey
[16:28] <pitti> juju status is clean again, terminated mysql service and machine
[16:29] <pitti> $ nova boot --flavor 1 --image 45203e5e-7a6a-4493-aa24-ea783460cbf9 myinstance
[16:29] <pitti> ERROR: No image with a name or ID of '45203e5e-7a6a-4493-aa24-ea783460cbf9' exists.
[16:29] <pitti> trying the one in my envirionments.yaml (bb636e4f-79d7-4d6b-b13b-c7d53419fd5a)
[16:30] <pitti> that seems to have succeeded
[16:30] <pitti> | 9697051e-adce-4df3-bceb-4101f12eb77b | myinstance                  | ACTIVE | canonistack=<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:30] <pitti> melmoth: I didn't specify --key_name, it got it fine from the environment
[16:32] <pitti> melmoth: I can't seem to ssh in, but at least the machine seems to exist
[16:32] <melmoth> and the machine booted with the same image you set in your environment.yaml ?
[16:32] <melmoth> hmmm
[16:32] <melmoth> i must admit i have no real clue what s going on there
[16:35] <pitti> melmoth: maybe I'll just tear it all down and restart from scratch
[16:36] <pitti> melmoth: thanks a lot for hand-holding!
[16:36] <melmoth> pitti,  hey if i were you, i wold try the ec2 provider
[16:36] <melmoth> https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/IS/CanonicalOpenstack
[16:36] <melmoth> just take the sample environment.yaml from there, adapt it to your setting, and try again
[16:36] <melmoth> good luck :)
[16:37] <pitti> melmoth: can do, if that's the preferred method
[16:37] <melmoth> i have no idea. but it s a "work for me" one :)
[16:37] <pitti> melmoth: I was following https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/IS/CanonicalOpenstack/QuickStart
[16:38] <pitti> melmoth: I can use that with juju as well, presumably
[16:38] <melmoth> hmmm, yep, here it s says to use the openstack provider
[16:38]  * melmoth is kind of lost
[16:38] <melmoth> heyy
[16:38] <melmoth> NOTE: Some of the above options have been deprecated. See, https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/provider-configuration-ec2.html
[16:38] <pitti> ok, I'll terminate the default bootstrap machine as well, and remove everything, then start again
[16:48] <SpamapS> ec2 is still the most reliable environment for juju, yes
[16:50] <pitti> melmoth: much much better indeed
[16:50] <pitti> melmoth: it created the machine, I can ssh in, and I see apt-get grinding
[16:50] <melmoth> good sign
[16:50] <pitti>     units:
[16:50] <pitti>       jhbuild/0:
[16:50] <pitti>         agent-state: install-error
[16:50] <pitti> ok, that's now a charm bug
[16:51] <pitti> but the VM looks okay, juju is isntalled and all that
[16:51] <melmoth> yep, now you can see whats going on in /var/lib/juju/instances something
[16:52] <pitti> 2012-10-17 16:50:18,474: hook.output@ERROR: Unable to locate package libudisks2-dev
[16:52] <pitti> yep
[16:52] <pitti> melmoth: thanks, now I know where the logs are
[16:52] <pitti> melmoth: ok, this is territory I know again :)
[16:52] <melmoth> good :)
[16:52] <pitti> melmoth: so it seems I was running into an unfortunate bug when using the openstack type?
[16:52] <melmoth> most probably
[16:53] <pitti> melmoth: ok, thanks a lot for your time and help!
[16:54]  * pitti needs to run now
[17:20] <hallyn> SpamapS: is there any guidance regarding apparmor profile switching in juju?  Or is that TBD?
[17:20] <hallyn> (juju-lxc)
[17:47] <subman> Is it possible to setup an installation via netboot when my dhcp server is my router?
[17:54] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'm not sure what you're asking.
[17:54] <SpamapS> hallyn: you'd be able to tell me better than I can tell you, how apparmor works
[17:59] <hallyn> SpamapS: I want to use juju-lxc to fire up containers that will run lxc.  that requires a modified apparmor policy.  Wondering how best to hook that in (if at all).
[18:00] <hallyn> SpamapS: I can just have juju spawn them, write a new policy, and hack the config file after the fact (and restart the container) to use the new policy.  That's fine for me, of course.
[18:00] <hallyn> my question was just whether it's somethig you've talked about at all.
[18:00] <hallyn> Similarly (I don't need this right now, but) adding cgroup.devices.allow entries
[18:01] <hallyn> If you haven't talked about those at all, then perhaps it's best discussed at UDS
[18:01] <hallyn> (dunno if it'd be cleanly doable in environments.yaml)
[18:33] <pgnd> When ssh'ing to any of my Ubuntu Server 10LTS boxes around here, @ login I see an 'informative' message (http://pastebin.com/NK4reH41).  I just built up a 12LTS box; when I ssh in, I get simply a shell prompt -- no message.  I know *I* never config'd that 'informative message', so am guessing that there's a package missing?  Any hints how to get that message back in place?
[18:34] <sarnold> pgnd: that's probably from installing landscape
[18:35] <sarnold> pgnd: if your new machine shouldn't be on landscape, you can still get some kind of useful message with pam_motd and the update-motd package
[18:36] <subman> Is it possible to setup an installation via netboot when my dhcp server is my router?
[18:37] <gabrtv> seeing Hash Sum mismatch on apt repositories
[18:37] <gabrtv> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-security_main_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[18:37] <gabrtv> http://pastebin.com/CrM2pBZa
[18:38] <pgnd> sarnold: minor confusion then --> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kdXzhTN3
[18:38] <sarnold> gabrtv: thanks, being investigated
[18:38] <pgnd> googling on pam_motd ...
[18:38] <sarnold> pgnd: oh :) perhaps apt-get purge update-motd?
[18:39] <pgnd> sarnold: purged, logged out, ssh'd in -- still no message
[18:40] <sarnold> pgnd: that may be where pam_motd comes in...
[18:40] <sarnold> of course, there's hushlogin and all that. there's a fair amount that goes in at login time.
[18:41] <SpamapS> pam_motd just shows /etc/motd
[18:41] <SpamapS> /etc/pam.d/sshd:session    optional     pam_motd.so  motd=/run/motd.dynamic noupdate
[18:41] <SpamapS> pgnd: things that update that file are where the helpful message comes from. I think landscape-client is one of those things
[18:43] <pgnd> SpamapS: ah, so perhaps diff between 10LTS & 12LTS ... installing -client ...
[18:44] <pgnd> SpamapS: nope.  still no message.
[18:45] <pgnd> SpamapS: fwiw, the 12LTS box has no "/run/motd.dynamic" ...
[18:48] <SpamapS> pgnd: right, Its updated in a somewhat lazy fashion
[18:48] <SpamapS> pgnd: but I admit to not knowing what program actually updates it
[18:49] <SpamapS> I believe it was at one time updated at login time, but that proved to annoy people because the logins would be slow sometimes
[18:55] <RoyK> some of you might like this - just wrote/patched it - a small thing to find duplicate files in a directory tree http://karlsbakk.net/finddup/
[18:58] <pgnd> SpamapS: It appears that "/usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo" *gathers* the info in that message, but still dunno what mv's that info somewhere that the shell login process grabs/displays it :-/
[18:59] <LordOfTime> SpamapS, thanks for your expediency on processing that sponsoring of the uplpoad for that nginx bug :)
[18:59] <LordOfTime> and isnt Q releasing tomorrow?
[19:01] <SpamapS> LordOfTime: yeah
[19:02] <pgnd> ah, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Oct 17 11:56 /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo -> /usr/share/landscape/landscape-sysinfo.wrapper*.  it's *there* -- so what do I restart .... ?
[19:02] <LordOfTime> thought so, i assume the SRU team will be less busy once that happens?
[19:02] <LordOfTime> (at least slightly)
[19:03] <SpamapS> LordOfTime: actually I'm about to attack the precise-proposed queue right now :)
[19:03]  * Nafallo lends SpamapS's his axe
[19:03] <SpamapS> LordOfTime: its a fair assumption that some of the release team will be more free next week yes. Tho some will be busy with UDS plans/prep
[19:03] <LordOfTime> true.
[19:03] <LordOfTime> post-UDS, it should be quieter :)
[19:08] <pgnd> bingo.  12's /etc/motd is a file.  rm /etc/motd; ln -sf /var/run/motd /etc/motd  fixes the problem.  message is back.
[19:37] <blkperl> anyone else noticing slow speeds to ppa.launchpad.net?
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> blkperl, #launchpad.  BUT....
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> they're aware of currently id'd issues
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> there's a current issue with the uploader afaict
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> but also, given Q releases tomorrow at the earliest, i'd say that lag is expected as people push Q updates.
[19:40] <blkperl> alright thanks
[19:56] <FunnyLookinHat> Is ppa:chris-lea/node.js still the best means to obtain node.js ?
[19:56] <SpamapS> FunnyLookinHat: Its certainly very up to date. But the distro isn't so far behind anymore IIRC
[19:56] <gabrtv> FunnyLookinHat: that's what we're still using
[19:56] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok.
[19:56] <FunnyLookinHat> as of 11.10 was the last time I had to
[19:57] <FunnyLookinHat> As long as the PPA is stable that makes sense to me.
[19:57] <SpamapS> looksl ike Distro has 0.6.19, and chris has 0.8.12
[19:57] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah - that's pretty far off
[19:58] <gabrtv> 0.6.x is ancient in node land
[19:58] <FunnyLookinHat> it's easy to be bleeding edge with little adoption  ;0
[19:58] <gabrtv> heh
[19:58] <FunnyLookinHat> jk jk
[19:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Well cool - that helps a lot - thanks SpamapS and gabrtv
[20:00] <SpamapS> Hrm, sadly, I don't see a 0.8 upload pending for the Debian packages :-P
[20:00] <SpamapS> not even in experimental
[20:01] <gabrtv> i get that the node runtime and packages are a fast moving target, but that's still surprising to me
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah that seems strange to me as well...
[20:01] <_cronus__> Hello, does anyone know where to find the list of the metapackages created by the server team? ie dovecot-postfix
[20:03] <SpamapS> to me the problem with the PPA isn't that its bleeding edge.. its that once you decide you want off the crazy train.. you have to remove the PPA, and then.. you're up a creek for security
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Right.
[20:03] <SpamapS> Its possible that the node maintainers are frustrated about the Debian policy change which required them to rename /usr/bin/node to /usr/bin/nodejs
[20:03] <ScottK> gabrtv: There was a huge delay in node.js in Debian due to the fact that it used /usr/bin/node, which was already used by another package (a fact that was known to the node.js upstream and they decided not to care).
[20:04] <gabrtv> hah, very interesting
[20:04] <ScottK> So any delay can probably be reasonably be put on the node.js upstream being deliberately anti-social.
[20:04] <ScottK> I'm sure they have a different view, of course.
[20:04] <SpamapS> ScottK: I forget, did they get the rights to have a node-legacy package that has a symlink at /usr/bin/node ?
[20:05] <ScottK> Yes, but no package in the archive is allowed to depend on it.
[20:05] <gabrtv> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00002.html
[20:05] <SpamapS> ScottK: yeah, that seems pretty reasonable
[20:05] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's the one.
[20:05] <SpamapS> Like, don't ask the archive to be broken, but if you, as a user, don't want to change all your shebangs and automated scripts.. here's some relief
[20:09] <gabrtv> looks like there's been no movement on implementing the technical committe's judgement: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614907
[20:14] <SpamapS> its rather important to me, since the juju webui is nodejs based
[20:16] <keithzg_> It looks to my untrained eye from that bug report that it must've been implemented, as the bug was archived on the 16th of August.
[20:17] <keithzg_> Further, the packages recommended to exist by the committee seem to exist now, ex. http://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs-legacy
[20:19] <SpamapS> gabrtv: thats not the bug with the recommendation btw http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681360
[20:19] <SpamapS> fixes in 0.6.19~dfsg1-3
[20:22] <gabrtv> yep, thx.. still no 0.8.x upgrade i can find
[20:35] <SpamapS> gabrtv: yeah things have gone a bit dark.. they may be focused on RC bugs as well
[20:43] <harovali> I'm trying to decide among ext4, xfs, and reiser4; would some kind soul help me decide?
[20:44] <harovali> It's a 320GB disk
[20:44] <harovali> I'm trying to boost performance of my app, which has pretty heavy IO
[20:44] <SpamapS> harovali: reiser4 has gone unmaintained since its founder went to jail for 2nd degree murder... so I'd write that one off
[20:45] <harovali> SpamapS: and what about XFS ? Does it look like an attractive option looking for good IO Performance ?
[20:45] <rbasak> What kind of IO performance?
[20:45] <SpamapS> harovali: XFS is typically very good at everything except removing lots of files
[20:46] <harovali> SpamapS: interesting
[20:46] <sarnold> I may be a bit of a dinosaur, but I still prefer ext3.
[20:46] <SpamapS> I have heard that its especially good with multiple writers on large files.. which makes it particularly attractive for use in databases like MySQL and postgres
[20:46] <harovali> sarnold: I've been as a dinosaur as you
[20:47] <SpamapS> There are some workloads where ext4 makes things worse.. its true
[20:47] <patdk-wk> how much *performance* do you want from a single 320gb disk?
[20:47] <sarnold> (heck, even ext3 took some convincing, I got there years after everyone else had written off ext2...)
[20:47] <SpamapS> sarnold: well thats kind of lol.. ext3 was a huge jump in usability
[20:47] <patdk-wk> no matter what, your not going break a 80iop per sata disk
[20:47] <Nafallo> reiser has a tendency to murder data, as well... I've heard to many horror stories to trust it.
[20:47] <patdk-wk> nafallo, a few times to me :(
[20:47] <patdk-wk> but that was during reiser3
[20:47] <harovali> Nafallo: interesting
[20:47] <SpamapS> I've never lost data to ext3, ext4, or XFS. Have lost data to all of the other options
[20:48] <patdk-wk> I have rarely lost data to ext3 (once, and wasn't really ext3 fault)
[20:48] <sarnold> Nafallo: indeed. hans ate 2/3 of my tree once. I was not impressed.
[20:49] <Nafallo> well, the kewl kidz use btrfs these days ;-)
[20:49] <Nafallo> and it's supposed to have speed improvements in 12.10
[20:49] <Nafallo> just throwing it out here to see people's reactions :-)
[20:50] <patdk-wk> nafallo, ran that for a year
[20:50] <Nafallo> I lost data to ext4, but that was before it was "stable"
[20:50] <patdk-wk> I lost data cause of a bad wifi driver
[20:50] <Nafallo> lol
[20:51] <patdk-wk> as soon as I booted without the wifi enabled, no data corruption
[20:51] <patdk-wk> downloaded new kernel, all better :)
[20:51] <harovali> Nafallo: that too has been mentioned as pretty interesting
[20:51] <Nafallo> harovali: it's on your own risk currently. I'm not even sure if 12.10 will have fsck :-)
[20:52] <Nafallo> I /believe/ they've implemented offline btrfsck now though
[20:52] <Nafallo> so chances are it's in.
[21:43] <Daphko> Hello, i have some questions about server security
[21:43] <Daphko> can anybody help me?
[21:44] <RoyK> !ask | Daphko
[21:47] <genii-around> Daphko: It's difficult to answer questions which have not been asked.
[21:48] <Daphko> ok i am not sure if anybody attack my server
[21:48] <Daphko> i checked my auth.log file
[21:48] <Daphko> and i want to ask anybody which knows much more then i about server security
[21:48] <Daphko> !paste
[21:49] <addisonj> hrm... having a rough time getting dhcp working on brand new hp dl380 gen8, using the 4 NIC network card, dhclient3 is just refusing to do anything
[21:49] <Daphko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285933/
[21:49] <Daphko> here are a lot of lines from my auth.log file
[21:50] <Daphko> i think a bot attacks me but not sure!?
[21:51] <addisonj> Daphko: looks like something is going on, is it a physical host or VPS?
[21:51] <sarnold> Daphko: yes, you are being attacked. it is probably not targetted at _you_, in the sense that botnets routinely scan for ssh servers to connect to
[21:51] <Daphko> linux vserver with ubuntu
[21:51] <sarnold> Daphko: they just guess usernames and passwords and get in often enough that it is worthwhile for them to try.
[21:52] <genii-around> Might want fail2ban to deter them a bit
[21:52] <Daphko> okay i change the ssh port and permiterootlogin
[21:53] <Daphko> genii-around: i have thought about to install fail2ban
[21:53] <sarnold> Daphko: simple steps: make sure your ssh does not accept passwords. (Require keys.) Configure /etc/hosts.allow to only allow login from network ranges you expect you'll use. Look into fail2ban or denyhosts to block these goofballs specifically.
[21:54] <sarnold> Daphko: and a super-cheap step you can take immediately is to null-route their traffic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_route
[21:54] <sarnold> Daphko: e.g., 'ip route add blackhole <IP_ADDRESS>/32'
[21:57] <Daphko> ok thx
[22:16] <ninjai> Can somebody explain why I'm unable to upgrade my server from 10.04 to 12.04?  It says "No new release found" when I enter do-release-upgrade.  What gives?
[22:17] <genii-around> ninjai: What is the result of: grep = /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades    ?
[22:18] <ninjai> genii-around, Prompt=lts
[22:19] <genii-around> ninjai: Have you tried with -p ?
[22:20] <ninjai> genii-around, same result
[22:26]  * genii-around reads the long and tedious bug 990740
[22:27] <ninjai> oh joy.  Thanks!
[22:27] <ninjai> actually wait
[22:27] <ninjai> my upgrade never "failed"
[22:27] <ninjai> it just doesn't see an upgrade for me
[22:29] <genii-around> ninjai: Have you done dist-upgrade before running do-release-upgrade ?
[22:29] <ninjai> no
[22:30] <ninjai> doesn't work either
[22:31] <genii-around> ninjai: By "doesn't work" you mean dist-upgrade fails, or that it completes successfully but that subsequently running the do-release-upgrade  fails as before?
[22:31] <ninjai> it just says there's nothing to upgrade
[22:31] <ninjai> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:32] <ninjai> I think I found the problem
[22:32] <ninjai> URI = http://<IP_ADDRESS>/meta-release
[22:32] <ninjai> URI_LTS = http://<IP_ADDRESS>/meta-release
[22:32] <ninjai> what should those be?
[22:33] <ninjai> should they be the same as shown here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/124999/distribution-upgrade-problem-no-new-release-found
[22:34] <ninjai> genii-around, that fixed my problem.
[22:53] <protoCall7> Hi all, I am trying to get an Ubuntu 12.04.1 domU to boot in Xen 4.0.1, and getting a bunch of errors regarding upstart services http://pastebin.com/hafwVm2s
[22:53] <protoCall7> could someone possibly point me in the right direction for resolving these?
[22:53] <protoCall7> the services listed are symlinks from /etc/rcX.d/ to /etc/init.d/<servicename>, which in turn are symlinks to upstart
[22:55] <ChmEarl> protoCall7, these are not errors, but a little warning that there is a new, cleaner way to do it
[22:56] <protoCall7> ChmEarl:  Interesting… Thanks.  The system hangs on the sssd start, but that might be unrelated.  This poor VM is having a LOT of problems :-/
[22:56] <protoCall7> every other boot, the disk is saying that it's unclean and mounting read-only, even though fsck is giving it a clean bill of health before I boot, network comes up, but has no connectivity, etc etc lol.  I'm just taking them one at a time
[22:57] <ChmEarl> protoCall7, echo '<IP_ADDRESS> myboxname' >> /etc/hosts
[22:57] <protoCall7> ChmEarl:  I have seen those warnings before when starting services from /etc/init.d by hand, but i've never seen the initctl: line… is that also just a part of the warning?
[22:58] <protoCall7> out of curiosity, what is adding <IP_ADDRESS> to hosts doing?  I've seen <IP_ADDRESS> as lo before, but not .2
[22:59] <ChmEarl> the initctl line: 20sshd -> sshd  (should fix it)
[22:59] <sarnold> all of <IP_ADDRESS>/8 routes to localhost
[23:01] <protoCall7> ChmEarl:  You lost me there, are you saying symlink S20sssd to /etc/init.d/sssd?
[23:02] <protoCall7> or rename the file all together
[23:05] <ChmEarl> protoCall7, about unclean mount... mount / with option: barrier=0
[23:06] <protoCall7> k, I'll give that a shot *crosses fingers*
[23:06] <ChmEarl> edit /etc/fstab
[23:06] <protoCall7> yup, just threw it in there, rebooting now
[23:07] <protoCall7> glad this isn't a production machine ;)
[23:07] <protoCall7> much better:  /dev/xvda1: clean, 87751/589824 files, 824776/2357248 blocks
[23:07] <sarnold> ChmEarl: why does that work?
[23:08] <ChmEarl> sarnold, idk
[23:08] <sarnold> hehe
[23:08]  * ChmEarl hangs head.. so much about Linux I don't understand
[23:09] <protoCall7> sarnold:  I found this blog post with the same… http://blog.jolexa.net/2012/02/linode-dont-use-barriers-and-ext-4/
[23:09] <protoCall7> sarnold:  looks like a possible bug, perhaps?
[23:10] <sarnold> protoCall7: not much else would make sense to me, but ... yeah. hrm.
[23:10] <protoCall7> sarnold:  in the comments section, there was a request for the author of the post to file a bug-report, but he declined to do so...
[23:15] <ChmEarl> protoCall7, after a few edits like those in setup, I used my 10GB precise VM to build xen 4.2 from tar.gz... took less than  1hour to install the Dev ENV and compile
[23:16] <protoCall7> not bad at all…  This has been a nightmare today trying to get this machine to come up
[23:16] <protoCall7> I've been tempted to start over several times lol
[23:18] <ChmEarl> ubuntu-server is sweet when all you want to do is do a few build
[23:19] <protoCall7> *nod*  this box is dangerously close to being replaced with a Cent machine (blasphemy, i know)
[23:21] <protoCall7> then again, upstart is getting a lot of adoption these days, so maybe it's just time to go RTFM and learn it...
[23:25] <protoCall7> sry for all of the questions, but is it normal during boot for the system to be starting and then immediately stopping so many things?  http://pastebin.com/6e8jbHqW
[23:27] <sarnold> protoCall7: my /var/log/boot.log only shows three services stopping: System V initialisation compatibility, anac(h)ronistic cron, save kernel messages
[23:27] <sarnold> (but that's a desktop image..)
[23:28] <protoCall7> Hmm… interesting, that MIGHT be normal then.  I now have the unclean drive and the upstart errors corrected, but I'm still hanging on boot, and can't get network up.  I can get into linux single fine though, so… progress all around
[23:32] <ChmEarl> protoCall7, your VM is running in 2TB? and has about 1200 packages?
[23:32] <ChmEarl> I debootstrap and then run this script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/800901/
[23:32] <ChmEarl> 10GB and about 160 packages
[23:33] <protoCall7> no, this is a 10gb image
[23:33] <protoCall7> yes, that sounds about right
[23:33] <protoCall7> most of its storage is on an NFS mount
[23:35] <protoCall7> let me get back to single, I can get more done when I'm not sitting here waiting on a hung boot


[19:39] <mustmodify> If I'm ssh'd into a machine and I get disconnected somehow, what happens to that session / whatever is running? I thought I remembered that running processes would be killed. But I just had an experience where it looked like everything finished normally.
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> mustmodify  consider using 'screen'
[19:39] <jhutchins> mustmodify: Some processes will complete, some will die.
[19:40] <jhutchins> mustmodify: Yes, screen ensures that the session will stay open and processes complete.
[19:40] <MonkeyDust> !screen | mustmodify
[19:43] <mikeymop> Sleaker: dont you need a wantedby= *
[19:43] <Sleaker> none of the examples for @services indicate that
[19:43] <Sleaker> the sockets include that
[19:44] <mikeymop> let me do some more reading
[19:44] <mikeymop> I've only wrote a few simple units so
[19:44] <Sleaker> maybe the @ unit just gets instanced and put in there only when it gets run?
[19:44] <mikeymop> on a support call 1s
[19:45] <Sleaker> ah man I got it working :-/
[19:45] <Sleaker> I just didn't run systemctl start socketname.socket after enableing the socket. lol
[19:47] <Sleaker> so yah, I was correct. @ services don't show up in systemctl they just need the @.service file in the lib dir and then the socket automatically finds them and such. as long as the unit file for the socket is enabled and then started everything 'just works'
[19:47] <mustmodify> if I ssh in to a machine then `ps aux | {{my_username}}` I get two ssh-relevant entries... why two? Why is one of them owned by root? https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/ac195b5caf08063d71a260e9b848de68
[19:47] <mikeymop> Sleaker: gotcha, thanks for the resolutino
[19:48] <mikeymop> glad you got it
[19:48] <mikeymop> mustmodify: last time you ssh'd did you use 'exit'
[19:48] <mustmodify> mikeymop: I typically do but there was an instance recently where I was disconnected during a deploy, which uses SSH.
[19:49] <mikeymop> then the session will remain open
[19:49] <mikeymop> i usually pkill them
[19:49] <mikeymop> had like 15 once because an android app i used didn't use exit
[19:49] <mikeymop> switched to juicessh
[19:49] <mustmodify> I see... both of these were started recently, and at the same time...
[19:49] <mustmodify> so I assumed they were related?
[19:50] <Sleaker> ssh spawns 2 processes normally doesn't it?
[19:50] <Sleaker> mine does.
[19:50] <Sleaker> this is sshd NOT ssh btw.
[19:50] <mustmodify> right.
[19:50] <mustmodify> sshd
[19:50] <mustmodify> so why is one of them owned by root?
[19:50] <mustmodify> I don't have sudo privileges or anything...
[19:51] <Sleaker> that's the actual server process.
[19:51] <mustmodify> the one owned by root is the actual server process...
[19:51] <mustmodify> well what's the other one?
[19:51] <Sleaker> your interactive shell
[19:51] <Sleaker> that's why it has a pts/*
[19:52] <mikeymop> mustmodify: missed your gist, sorry
[19:55] <mikeymop> Sleaker: so what does this unit do? spawn a vnc process for the host or one per host
[19:55] <mikeymop> auto starts the deamon right?
[20:02] <Sleaker> mikeymop: ah yah this is for an ltsp5 environment to spawn a x11vnc process automatically when a connection comes through on 5903
[20:03] <Sleaker> our old ltsp4 env you could screen-share by just connecting to the host and probing the different displays since everything was run on the server. but ltsp5 runs X on the actual thin clients.
[20:04] <Sleaker> so to do screen sharing I'm having to setup x11vnc stuff over tunneled ssh and just trying to get it all scripted so our support guys don't have to manually type in a bucnh of commands everytime they need to screenshare to see what the end user is trying to do
[20:05] <Sleaker> using a socket with inetd/systemd gets rid of the need to have them sudo/su as root etc.
[20:06] <Sleaker> and yah it's a per-connection thing, but then I've limited it to a single connection.
[20:06] <Sleaker> the main server system is still running trusty with upstart, so it was using the inetd method for this.
[20:07] <Sleaker> is that enough info mikeymop ? haha
[20:09] <mikeymop> thats very interesting
[20:09] <mikeymop> so you'd ssh in and a vnc connection would be established under the user that ssh'd and then they can just open thier vnc client and connect?
[20:09] <mikeymop> i'm surprised such a simple unit can do all that
[20:10] <Sleaker> better than that.
[20:10] <Sleaker> the tunnel doesn't cause the service to run. it wont run the x11vnc server script until you actually try to open a vnc client on the port.
[20:11] <Sleaker> and the x11vnc script is just this: /usr/bin/x11vnc -inetd -q -once -display :7 -auth guess -timeout 30
[20:12] <Sleaker> although I think I left off the -rfbport 5903 thing on there
[20:12] <Sleaker> or it might not need it since it's launched with -inetd option
[20:12] <Sleaker> and it's smart enough to see which socket to link with
[20:13] <Sleaker> kernel stuff makes it 'just work' or somesuch.
[20:13] <mikeymop> totally stealing this
[20:13] <JamesB> Hello. I started using the most recent Ubuntu, and my auth.log and syslog are entirely full of systemd related spam. Is there any way to remove this entirely?
[20:14] <Jordan_U> JamesB: Please pastebin examples of such log entries.
[20:15] <JamesB> Sure. It's all junk: http://pastebin.com/gYdH6cas
[20:16] <Jordan_U> JamesB: What is the output of "cat /proc/cmdline"?
[20:17] <Sleaker> hahaha mikeymop :D
[20:18] <mikeymop> haha :) i gotta stay fresh, desperate to break into a linux job
[20:18] <mikeymop> just got funding for a homelab so I can do cool things
[20:18] <Sleaker> well g/l - it's half of what I'm doing right now :D
[20:23] <JamesB> Jordan: root=... ro biosdevname=0 biosdevname=0 debug xencons=tty root=/dev/xvda1
[20:24] <ioria> JamesB, better if you paste it
[20:25] <JamesB> I just did. It's one line.
[20:27] <ioria> JamesB, k, let's try this   dmesg | grep Kernel
[20:29] <mikeymop> Sleaker: thanks! and volunteer work?
[20:29] <Sleaker> mikeymop: nope, day job.
[20:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> I am trying to install ubuntu on a custom computer with a asus Z97 gamer pro board
[20:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> I created a dvd and put it in
[20:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> i start up and... nothing happens
[20:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> I see a blinking cursor for a few seconds and then windows boots
[20:32] <MDTech-us_MAN> I am sure the boot priorities are correct
[20:32] <MDTech-us_MAN> when I manually boot into bios, see a UEFI FAT option for the DVD and just the dvd
[20:33] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  dual boot ?
[20:33] <MDTech-us_MAN> I want to wipe windows out and put ubuntu only
[20:33] <MDTech-us_MAN> and windows in a vm
[20:34] <mikeymop> MDTech-us_MAN: mash f12 at the bios and boot the disk?
[20:34] <Nuentoter> i would recommend using a usb stick as well
[20:34] <MDTech-us_MAN> when I use the bios boot menu and specifically boot UEFI it locks up for a few seconds and goes back to the menu
[20:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> when I use the non-UEFI option I get a blinking cursor that moves to the next line, dissapears and I am back at the boot menu
[20:35] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  i think you installed win in efi mode, so make a usb with rufus, and boot in efi mode from it (optionally disable secure boot)
[20:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> same exact result if I make a usb drive
[20:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> I disabled secure boot at the beggining btw
[20:35] <Nuentoter> did you boot in efi though?
[20:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> yup
[20:36] <Nuentoter> ok
[20:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> I tried both
[20:36] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  how did you do it ?
[20:36] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,   the stick, i mean
[20:36] <Nuentoter> win32diskimager works for some iso files when rufus doesnt as well
[20:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> I tried different drives using both undebootin and the ubuntu create a restore disk option
[20:37] <Nuentoter> I've had a couple issues with rufus and certain distro's
[20:37] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,   try rufus
[20:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> every timeI get exactly the same result
[20:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok
[20:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> googling
[20:37] <Nuentoter> yeah rufus is the goto, second choice (for me) is win32diskimager
[20:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> oh, I already wiped windows
[20:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> I'm on mu ubuntu laptop atm
[20:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> *my
[20:39] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  on linux , use dd
[20:39] <Nuentoter> use dd in terminal
[20:39] <MDTech-us_MAN> so just dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX1
[20:40] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  /dev/sdX
[20:40] <MDTech-us_MAN> or dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX ?
[20:40] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok
[20:40] <EriC^^> MDTech-us_MAN: dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[20:41] <EriC^^> or dd status=progress if=ubuntu....
[20:41] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  you can also boot the iso from grub with grub-imageboot
[20:42] <MDTech-us_MAN> dd is working
[20:43] <WizardGed> hey is there a way to reset software stuck partially downloaded on ubuntu touch
[20:43] <MDTech-us_MAN> i got 2 questions about grub: how would I get to grub if I got nothing and how do I get the iso there too?
[20:43] <justPie> Does anyone have any experience installing wifi drivers that don't play nice with ubuntu 16.04? The card in question is asus PCE-n53
[20:44] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: http://askubuntu.com/questions/193319/missing-driver-asus-pce-n53-11n-n600-pci-e-adapter
[20:45] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: Thanks. But I actually already tried this. When i get to modprobe no wifi card shows up when i do ifconig
[20:45] <linelevel> Hi, where is the right place to configure a service to start with Ubuntu (upon log in, after the desktop loads)?
[20:45] <justPie> or even after i reboot
[20:45] <linelevel> ^ Running Ubuntu 16.04
[20:46] <justPie> linelevel: I think you're looking for init.d
[20:46] <Sleaker> linelevel: it depends on what DM you're using but most DMs have a place to setup stuff like that.
[20:46] <Sleaker> if you want it user-specific.
[20:46] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: https://github.com/mareksuscak/asus-pce-n53-linux ?
[20:46] <linelevel> Sleaker: Unity
[20:46] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: Did that too, lol.
[20:46] <justPie> I'll try it again real quick to make myself feel better
[20:46] <linelevel> justPie: Wouldn't that run upon system boot, not when the desktop GUI finishes loading?
[20:47] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: wait for someone else then
[20:47] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: sorry
[20:47] <Sleaker> linelevel: generally init.d/systemd scripts will run at boot yes, depends on what their dependencies are.
[20:47] <MDTech-us_MAN> EriC^^: dd is still doing it's stuff
[20:47] <Sleaker> if you want to set it up as a user-level run only when you login I believe Unity has a place to configure that but I'm not familiar with unity.
[20:48] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: No need to be sorry! This issue is been a headache for awhile. Been using a usb wifi stick in the meantime. Thanks!
[20:48] <MDTech-us_MAN> EriC^^: its done
[20:48] <ioria> linelevel,  you can use a service unit with graphical.target or simply go in Autostart
[20:49] <linelevel> Sleaker: What if I just want to run a script (not a service) upon boot, but the script will add something to the Unity toolbar, so that needs to be loaded before this runs.
[20:49] <Sleaker> 'service unit' == systemd way. 'Autostart' == Unity way.
[20:49] <Sleaker> services are scripts..
[20:49] <linelevel> Sleaker: yes, but not all scripts are services.
[20:49] <Sleaker> correct.
[20:49] <nicomachus> sleaker: you mean upstart, not unity
[20:50] <Sleaker> ah
[20:50] <mirak> hi
[20:50] <ioria> linelevel,  if you need a gui, you don't have much of a choice
[20:50] <mirak> can i plug a pci express 1x card in a pci express 16x slot ?
[20:51] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: Just tried doing the make/make install again. I run modprobe and nothing happens. I do ifconfig and no wifi driver
[20:51] <Sleaker> mirak: 1x and 16x generally have different form-factor plugs
[20:51] <mirak> not really
[20:51] <mirak> Sleaker, not really,
[20:51] <nicomachus> also, more of a question for ##hardware than here.
[20:51] <mirak> ok thanks
[20:51] <GFXDude> mirak, PCI-X and standard PCI are cross compatible, BUT if you put a standard PCI card in a PCI-X slot then the whole PCI-X BUS will slow down (not just the one slot)
[20:52] <mirak> didn't know that channel
[20:52] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: check dmesg
[20:52] <GFXDude> PCI-e is entirely different and not compatible with either PCI or PCI-X
[20:52] <Sleaker> oh I'm thinking the smaller x4 slot maybe.
[20:52] <linelevel> loria: Sleaker: Okay, so here is my actual use case. There is a service called `foo` which is already configured. It starts on boot and I can control it with `service foo start/stop/restart/etc`. I want to run *additional instances* of this service with different configurations, and I've already confirmed that I can do this by running something like `HOME=$HOME/.foo/conf2 service foo start`. Now I want to run that upon boot. When started, that
[20:52] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: Ive never used dmsg before. What am i looking for?
[20:52] <linelevel> ^ Let me know if that cut off due to length.
[20:52] <nicomachus> ioria ^
[20:53] <linelevel> nicomachus: Thanks..
[20:53] <mirak> it's PCIe 1x, not PCI-X
[20:54] <ioria> linelevel,  what your service/script does exactly ?
[20:54] <linelevel> ioria: The service is from a third-party.
[20:54] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: check lspci
[20:54] <MDTech-us_MAN> you should see if it sees it
[20:54] <ioria> linelevel,  ok.... and ?
[20:54] <MDTech-us_MAN> and what it thinks it is
[20:54] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: lspci sees it 04:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5592 PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[20:55] <linelevel> ioria: It's dropbox. I want to run multiple instances of the dropbox service, and as stated above, this is possible by giving each additional instance a false HOME directory.
[20:55] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: by the way, do you do ifconfig -a?
[20:55] <Sleaker> linelevel: so copy the service file into a new one with the new options
[20:56] <Sleaker> and name it something slightly different?
[20:56] <ioria> linelevel,  oh, sorry... don't know much about dropbox
[20:56] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: http://pastebin.com/wvsP7VJD
[20:56] <justPie> wlx60a44cec637e is my usb wifi
[20:56] <linelevel> ioria: Right, but this question doesn't really depend on the specifics of dropbox, which is why I stated it in generic terms initially.
[20:57] <linelevel> Sleaker: Wouldn't it be easier to just run a script that itself runs `HOME=<whatever> service dropbox start` rather than copying the service file?
[20:57] <Sleaker> linelevel: that's not how services work
[20:57] <Sleaker> you need a file for each instance.
[20:57] <ioria> linelevel,  have you tried Autostart ?
[20:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: eno0 is it
[20:57] <Sleaker> or make a new script that does exactly what you're stating.
[20:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> i checked the mac address
[20:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> E0-3F-49-AC-5E-06			ASUSTek COMPUTER INC., TAIWAN
[20:57] <linelevel> Sleaker: This does work. If I type `HOME=$HOME/.dropbox/conf2 service dropbox start`, then everything works fine. It starts a second instance of the service that runs along-side the first.
[20:57] <Sleaker> instead of including the full other script.
[20:58] <linelevel> Sleaker: Now I'm just trying to figure out how to get this to run on startup.
[20:58] <Sleaker> ah that's something you need at login
[20:58] <Sleaker> that wont work in a service file.
[20:58] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: I think thats my builtin ethernet. When i pull my usb wifi out it no wifi channels show up
[20:59] <linelevel> Sleaker: Right, so where is the best place to put it?
[20:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> now why NetworkManager doesnt pick it up is a different problem
[21:00] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: try connect to wifi without gui
[21:00] <MDTech-us_MAN> https://bhattigurjot.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/connect-to-wi-fi-network-through-ubuntu-terminal/
[21:00] <ioria> linelevel,  just type Startup in dash
[21:00] <ioria> linelevel,  then Add
[21:00] <MDTech-us_MAN> EriC^^: It booted. I selected try ubuntu without installing and got the ubuntu logo
[21:01] <stan_man_can> Is there any way to disable the super key in full screen apps?
[21:01] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: i just ran iwconfig and it says eno1 has no wireless extensions
[21:01] <MDTech-us_MAN> EriC^^: now for the past 10-15 min the ubuntu logo is gone and I got a black screen.
[21:01] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: no idea then... :S
[21:01] <linelevel> ioria: Okay, that works. Thank you.
[21:01] <EriC^^> MDTech-us_MAN: try pressing esc
[21:02] <ioria> linelevel,  no prob
[21:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> EriC^^: same black screen
[21:02] <EriC^^> MDTech-us_MAN: try booting with nomodeset
[21:02] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  you may need nomodeset
[21:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> lol
[21:02] <EriC^^> is it uefi? black/white grub screen?
[21:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> how do I do that?
[21:02] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,   nvidia gtx something ?
[21:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> yea 780 I think
[21:03] <carly> hey guys i really need some help - can someone tell me how to install .targz files on ubuntu
[21:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> its an oldie
[21:03] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,   F6
[21:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> i already had the ubuntu logo for a few min
[21:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> rebooting
[21:04] <MDTech-us_MAN> this is using uefi btw
[21:05] <EriC^^> MDTech-us_MAN: press "e" over try ubuntu and add nomodeset in the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ... somewhere in the middle
[21:05] <EriC^^> then press ctrl+x
[21:05] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok
[21:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> i'll remove quiet and splash ok?
[21:06] <EriC^^> ok
[21:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> and replace with nomodeset
[21:07] <MDTech-us_MAN> booting...
[21:07] <MDTech-us_MAN> bunch of text scrolling
[21:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> its starting a bunck of stuff
[21:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> *bunch
[21:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> and its gone
[21:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> black screen...
[21:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> yeaaaa
[21:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> at the home screen!
[21:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> but its only on one monitor
[21:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> and low res
[21:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> I assume it will be fine after install?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> MDTech-us_MAN  spare the enter key
[21:09] <Jordan_U> If JamesB comes back, tell them to remove "debug" from their kernel parameters.
[21:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> MonkeyDust: But... why?
[21:09] <justPie> Does anyone have any experience installing wifi drivers that don't play nice with ubuntu 16.04? The card in question is asus PCE-n53. The card shows up in lspci but doesn't show up in iwconfig. I compiled the drivers using make and make install. I then ran modprobe right after with no luck. Anyone have any ideas?
[21:11] <NoImNotNineVolt> what driver does lspci -v show it's using?
[21:11] <NoImNotNineVolt> does lsmod show the correct driver?
[21:12] <justPie> NoImNotNineVolt: http://pastebin.com/hCRZPJH0
[21:13] <justPie> I did a grep on lsmod and this what it returns. "rt5592sta            1146880  0"
[21:13] <justPie> don't know what it means though
[21:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> the first field is the module name, the second is the size, and the third is what it's used by.
[21:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> loaded but not used. are you sure it's the right driver?
[21:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> have you rebooted since?
[21:15] <justPie> i haven't rebooted
[21:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> if that's not too much of an issue, it's worth a shot.
[21:16] <justPie> Ya ill give it a shot. But the driver im using is a patched driver. The one under the product website doesn't compile correctly.
[21:17] <petersaints> hi guys. I've noticed that when you enable virtual workspaces in Ubuntu 16.10 nothing happens. Is that a known issue?
[21:17] <MDTech-us_MAN> justPie: the guy on the askubuntu aswer said he could ignore the error...
[21:18] <MDTech-us_MAN> fyi
[21:18] <justPie> The error is "error: macro "__DATE__" might prevent reproducible builds [-Werror=date-time]"
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> petersaints  ctrl-alt-arrow to switch workspace
[21:19] <justPie> MDTech-us_MAN: but it doesn't finish the make process, it just exits?
[21:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> check if it created the so
[21:19] <justPie> when i run make install it fails
[21:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> justPie: is this wifi adapter a rt2860 or an rt5592sta?
[21:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> because it's using the rt2860 driver.
[21:20] <justPie> interesting... Maybe it was one of my failed attempts
[21:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> if that's not the correct driver, you may need to blacklist it in modprobe or something.
[21:20] <justPie> how would i uninstall it?
[21:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> modprobe -R or rmmod or something like that.
[21:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> that'll remove it, but i have no idea how to uninstall it.
[21:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> if you didn't install it from a package, then you're on your own there :P
[21:21] <NoImNotNineVolt> (if you did a make install, you can take a look at the makefile and reverse whatever the install target does)
[21:26] <justPie> interesting... i try to do rmmod rt2860 and modprobe -r rt2860 and it gives me module not loaded / module not found
[21:27] <petersaints> MonkeyDust: That's not it. AFAIK the virtual workspaces get enabled but the grid is define as 1x1. Therefore, Ctrl+Arrows don't work and there's no icon to switch workspaces on the left bar/dock. If change the grid size to 2x2 on the CCSM it starts to work as expected. This is just something I noticed as strange behavior on 16.10 and that I thing that has passed unnoticed for a long time since I couldn't find any reports about this iss
[21:27] <petersaints> …an easy fix but it's still a bug. Unless Canonical is doing it on purpose since Unity's 7 virtual workspaces are currently the WORST virtual workspaces implementation across all modern desktops (GNOME Dhr
[21:27] <ikonia> justPie: did you check it was actually loaded
[21:27] <justPie> ikonia: no. it just says its in use here : http://pastebin.com/hCRZPJH0
[21:28] <petersaints> *(GNOME Shell, KDE Plasma, Cinnamon and even Windows 10 and macOS)
[21:28] <justPie> did lsmod | grep 2860 as well and doesn't return anything
[21:28] <ikonia> justPie: thats a different module
[21:28] <ikonia> it's the rt5592 thats in use
[21:29] <justPie> but it says Kernel driver in use: rt2860?
[21:29] <ikonia> kernel driver is not the module
[21:29] <petersaints> Also, on Unity 8 virtual workspaces are nowhere to be seen. It seems that they will just drop them in the future. It may seem a conspiracy theory but that's how it things seem to be heading.
[21:29] <justPie> ah. Yeah, im not a power user.  Whats rt2860 then?
[21:38] <justPie> and if the device is infact using the correct driver then why don't it work
[21:46] <marrygrim> what is a good 1gb x4 port server grade nic?
[21:47] <nicomachus> marrygrim: try asking in ##hardware or ##networking
[21:49] <marrygrim> i am asking here because of the drivers for ubuntu server and desktop-openstack-ubuntu snappy core- virtual box/vm nicomachus
[21:50] <nicomachus> marrygrim: most drivers will work just fine. The only one's I've seen issues with are a few select realtek chipsets, but even those are generally fixed pretty quickly (or at least have a workaround). But as a rule, this channel has never done buying recommendations.
[23:17] <iresf> hey  everyone
[23:17] <iresf> how to install    libQt5XcbQpa.so.5  on ubuntu  14.04.1
[23:17] <iresf> ?
[23:21] <puffinz> Android app deps on google play services is lammmme.
[23:23] <\9> iresf: doesn't look like it exists in the qt packages provided by trusty
[23:25] <\9> iresf: you'll need a ppa, if there is one available. or update to 16.04.1, which is the current LTS, for a Qt version that provides the library
[23:25] <\9> iresf: you can of course compile it yourself but you'll be on your own then
[23:25] <iresf> \9 : is it possible to install ?   i need to that for  android emulator
[23:26] <\9> i just explained...
[23:26] <\9> possibly you could try an older android emulator version that doesn't require it
[23:27] <\9> since you use older stuff in 14.04 anyway
[23:27] <\9> if you need the latest android emulator then you need the latest LTS
[23:28] <iresf> i want to run emulator64-x86     by amd cpu    on ubuntu 14.04 64 bit     that it has that problem
[23:28] <iresf> \9   :   yes  but  on   ubuntu 16.04    fglrx does not work   anymore  and i need to fglrx  for performance
[23:29] <iresf> i think i have to go to the  fedora
[23:29] <\9> can't you just install the emulator from the repos?
[23:29] <\9> it seems to be available there
[23:29] <\9> you should be able to get a supported version that way
[23:36] <iresf> \9 : installing   newest  QT library is possible on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[23:36] <ikonia> I'd ask yourself why you want to do this
[23:36] <\9> *facepalm*
[23:36] <ikonia> as if the distribution is not "shipping it" how would you expect others to use any work you do on it
[23:38] <iresf> ikonia : i want to use android emulator64-x86 but it says a bad error
[23:38] <ikonia> ok - so why do you want to update the QT version beyond what ubuntu ships ?
[23:39] <iresf> becoz   the error is about   version of qt lib
[23:40] <ikonia> issyl0: what's the actual error ?
[23:40] <ikonia> ops, sorry issyl0
[23:40] <ikonia> iresf: what's the actual error
[23:40] <iresf> libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 => not found
[23:40] <ikonia> so it can't find a libray
[23:40] <ikonia> why do you think an upgrade will fix that ?
[23:41] <iresf> i just thought it should be upgrade
[23:41] <ikonia> why ?
[23:41] <iresf> to fix
[23:41] <ikonia> you have an error about a missing library - and your answer is to upgrade ?
[23:41] <ikonia> is that what you're actually saying ?
[23:42] <iresf> yh i think
[23:42] <ikonia> so thats not going to help you
[23:42] <ikonia> as upgrading a package that isn't installed/doesn't exist won't help,
[23:42] <ikonia> you need to understand what package provides that file and just install it
[23:42] <iresf> ikonia : how to solve it  ?
[23:42] <ikonia> install the package that contains the file
[23:43] <xangua> No qt5 for Ubuntu 14.04 ;-)
[23:43] <ikonia> he's on 14.04....?
[23:43] <xangua> Yes
[23:43] <ikonia> the package looks to be libqt5gui5
[23:44] <koffeinfriedhof> libqt5gui5-gles http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libqt5gui5-gles/filelist
[23:44] <ikonia> the Kubuntu project would probably have a maintained PPA for QT5 for 14.04, I'd be surprised if they don't
[23:44] <iresf> thank u very much
[23:44] <ikonia> why are you giving him xenial packages ?
[23:44] <ikonia> he's on 14.04 ?
[23:45] <koffeinfriedhof> Sorry, I thought he would do an upgrade.
[23:45] <ikonia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libqt5gui5
[23:45] <ikonia> looks like there is QT5 for 14.04
[23:45] <xangua> Oh nice
[23:47] <iresf> ikonia  :  but libqt5gui5  have already installed
[23:48] <clarkk> I need to get the default /etc/apache2 directory from the deb package, or using a package manager. What is the best way to do this?
[23:48] <ikonia> iresf: ok - so search for that missing file, see if it's actually on the file system
[23:48] <ikonia> clarkk: when you install the package, it will create the directory for you
[23:48] <clarkk> ikonia: I've borked the default directory.
[23:48] <ikonia> re-install the package then
[23:51] <iresf> the only missing file is libQt5XcbQpa.so.5  that there is in http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libqt5gui5-gles/filelist  that is for 16.04.1
[23:53] <iresf> but i want to upgrade whole system to 16.04  because i have installed fglrx on it    and then my system will break
[23:55] <issyl0> ikonia: No problem. :-)
[23:59] <infinitephantasm> hello, can someone help me with a bit of a problem trying to run linux 2.6.38-10-generic on 16.04?
[23:59] <Ben64> infinitephantasm: yes. don't
[23:59] <infinitephantasm> well, i kinda need to in order to get a driver installed
[23:59] <infinitephantasm> and so far that's the only working solution i've seen so far
[23:59] <Ben64> no you don't


[00:03] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, ping
[00:05] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: pong
[00:05] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, have you dealt with finding sponsors for cost of booths before?
[00:06] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: it depends, I've had individuals and companies offer the team donations when we needed money for something
[00:06] <pleia2> haven't made any kind of organized effort to find such a thing though
[00:06] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, ahh, I'm about to go shopping for help. :)
[00:07] <DarkwingDuck> O'Reilly is sending something. LinuxFoundation.org wants to send something...
[00:08] <pleia2> seems like bkerensa is the one to ask about booth goodies, he's pretty good at taking the time to track down stuff
[00:08] <pleia2> I've never really done it though
[00:08] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'm doing good with the booth goodies. I'm more worried about $200 for the booth.
[00:09] <pleia2> for solano stroll members of berkeleylug donated the cash
[00:09] <pleia2> at meetings jdeslip just collects it
[00:09]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[00:09] <DarkwingDuck> Well, when Linux Foundation asked what we needed I mentioned a booth sponsor.
[00:10] <DarkwingDuck> So, we shall see what happens.
[00:10]  * pleia2 nods
[00:10] <DarkwingDuck> I don't mind having a "Sponsored By" sign on the booth.
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> I should have plenty of swag by the end of this.
[00:26] <Thundaboom> "Sponsored by red hat!" x3
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> bkerensa, ping
[00:46] <Thundaboom> "Tell you what. We'll give you the cash if you ALSO burn 200 Red Hat CDs. Deal?"
[00:46] <Thundaboom> I would love to donate for this, btw.
[00:53] <DarkwingDuck> Hmm?
[00:56] <MarkDude_> RH cds?
[00:56] <MarkDude_> Gets me a few of those
[00:57] <Thundaboom> Donate for your booth fund
[00:58] <Thundaboom> MarkDude: hahah
[01:04] <bkerensa> DarkwingDuck: Hello
[01:04] <DarkwingDuck> bkerensa, care for a PM?
[01:04] <bkerensa> DarkwingDuck: Surely
[01:11] <bkerensa> pleia2: Hey I just wanted to note that were getting our banner sponsored and I ran it by council they even thought it was a good idea =)
[01:12] <bkerensa> somewhere on the banner it will say "Sponsored by:" logo here
[01:12] <Thundaboom> Wish I could visit that booth when it's up :/
[01:13] <bkerensa> I know
[01:13] <bkerensa> I keep having this thought that since OSCON is in Oregon and Scale is in California
[01:13] <bkerensa> we should be roadtripping to each others states
[01:13] <bkerensa> :D
[01:14] <DarkwingDuck> I would LOVE to... Hard for me to Road Trip anywhere LOL
[01:14] <DarkwingDuck> I live a mile and a half from Mexico LOL
[01:14] <bkerensa> Does Mexico have a LoCo?
[01:15] <bkerensa> :D
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know LOL
[01:15] <bkerensa> I love Mexico... Super cheap mexican food.... But I have never been to Tijuana just some Arizona/Mexico Border towns
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> But, I'm 6 miles south of San Diego LOL
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> even to get to SCaLE it's almost 2 hours north
[01:16] <philipballew> a joint effort on scale would be pretty cool though
[01:18] <bkerensa> Jetblue maybe?
[01:19] <Thundaboom> I've only been to one linux expo and that was Scale
[01:19] <Thundaboom> i was the youngest guy there >__<
[01:20] <philipballew> i can make it to Portland from sd in 20 hours
[01:22] <bkerensa> philipballew: Are you in SD?
[01:22] <philipballew> yeah bkerensa i go to college here
[01:22]  * bkerensa can barely make it from North of San Francisco to Portland in 8
[01:22] <bkerensa> :d
[01:23] <philipballew> you dont have much to stop and look at on the journey
[01:23] <bkerensa> But thats taking 101
[01:23] <bkerensa> :D
[01:23] <Thundaboom> well you guys should totally go to 10x
[01:23] <philipballew> the 5 is the way to do it if you can
[01:23]  * bkerensa wants to go to 10x but I think I wont.... Maybe next year WA/OR can rent a van and hit the road or maybe I will fly
[01:23] <bkerensa> :D
[01:24]  * bkerensa needs to talk to family member and see if he can use their Intel flight rates :D
[01:24] <philipballew> scale or bust bkerensa ?
[01:25] <bkerensa> idk
[01:25] <bkerensa> :P
[01:25] <bkerensa> You should all come up for OSCON in 2012 though.... Were gonna have a big afterhours thing :D
[01:25] <philipballew> i can probably do jusy if i plan for it
[01:25] <philipballew> i'm considering riding my bike to scale. that might be a challenge
[01:26] <bkerensa> =o
[01:26] <bkerensa> How?
[01:26] <bkerensa> Freeways?
[01:26] <philipballew> tons of side streets!
[01:26] <philipballew> google maps should show me how to i think
[01:27] <philipballew> i look it up once
[01:27] <philipballew> it takes 12 hours
[01:40] <Thundaboom> oh noes!
[01:40] <Thundaboom> well man
[01:40] <Thundaboom> it's TOTALLY worth it
[02:05] <philipballew> hey! DarkwingDuck I wonder if there are any linux friendly companies who might like to see us there who can help? also I can help with whatever else to
[02:06] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, Yeah. I'm looking too.
[02:06] <DarkwingDuck> I got a blog post out so, we'll see what happens.
[02:07] <philipballew> read it, I think we can get some companies to help if say on the cd's or something we put provided by said company
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> I was planning something like that.
[02:08] <philipballew> sounds sweet! should be fun.
[02:08] <DarkwingDuck> Got some people sending stuff.
[02:08] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[02:08] <philipballew> will 11.10 be out then?
[02:09] <philipballew> i think it might
[02:09] <DarkwingDuck> I think it releases the same week...
[02:13] <philipballew> thats what i was thinking
[02:16] <philipballew> the location is right next to me. ill be sure to be there everyday.
[02:16]  * philipballew offers his floor to all who want to risk it and need a place to stay
[02:18] <philipballew> assuming we have dozens working the booth. haha
[02:46] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, I'm gonna see if i can find some good avenues to advertise the event and also bring in a few bucks.
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, anything you can do will be epic :D
[02:52] <philipballew> excellent!!!
[02:54] <pleia2> he excellented himself off the irc
[02:55] <akk> and here I thought joining irc was more excellent than leaving it
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[18:59] <jyo> pleia2: So I want to burn 11.04 32-bit for Solano, correct?
[19:00] <pleia2> jyo: yep
[19:01] <pleia2> jyo: and I'd recommend randomly sampling a few you burn to make sure the burns go ok (nothing personal, but we sometimes get complaints about bad burns so we want to make sure they're spot checked :))
[19:02] <jyo> pleia2: Yeah, I'll use a slower speed as well.
[19:21] <jyo> Hmm. Where's the 'Check disk for errors' in the startup for these 'new' LiveCDs?
[19:26] <pleia2> I'd just make sure it boots into the livecd, if it gets that far it's probably fine
[19:26] <pleia2> or just run an md5 check against it
[19:38] <DarkwingDuck> Woot! Sponsorship approved.
[19:38] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, your the man! but how?
[19:39] <pleia2> congrats :) see you there!
[19:39] <philipballew> all the kubuntu work i guess?
[19:40] <philipballew> who all from the loco is going to uds?
[19:42] <broder> i'll be there
[19:43] <philipballew> Florida right?
[19:43] <broder> yeah
[19:43] <broder> need to actually book my hotel room, though...
[19:43] <philipballew> do you know when they find out when the one in may is?
[19:43] <philipballew> your sponsered to broder ?
[19:44] <broder> philipballew: my company's sponsoring me this time
[19:44] <broder> they've traditionally announced the next location at the end of the previous UDS
[19:44] <broder> i think it was unusual that we knew UDS-P would be at Florida before UDS-O actually happened
[19:44] <broder> but i haven't been paying attention for too, too long
[19:45] <philipballew> oh nice. what do you do for a living?
[19:45] <broder> i work for MokaFive
[19:45] <broder> bay area software startup
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, You are going to be there?
[19:46] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yep
[19:46] <philipballew> oh nice. I need to find a sweet job like that. Im looking more for an internship though now
[19:46] <pleia2> hence my "see you there!" :)
[19:51] <broder> philipballew: how much development background do you have? we're always looking for people with ubuntu dev experience, and we take interns
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> broder, What area of devel?
[20:00] <philipballew> broder, im getting there. I'm down to learn but im a computer information systems major currently in sd. I do python and am attempting currently to learn c and languages of that sort. should have them down soon. broder I do more sysadmin stuff lately
[20:20] <broder> DarkwingDuck: sorry, got pulled away for real life discussion :). we're mostly looking for plumbing (including desktop plumbing) folks
[20:20] <broder> though we'd be glad to talk to anyone with any sort of linux background, because that's half the battle in many cases
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> broder, care for a PM?
[20:21] <broder> sure
[20:29] <jyo> Is the paper origami ubuntu-us-ca LiveCD case design available somewhere?
[20:30] <pleia2> http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california
[20:30] <pleia2> you want the 2010branding-sleeves
[20:31] <jyo> Okay, so everything is under code.launchpad junk. Cool. :)
[20:31] <pleia2> yep
[21:48] <MarkDude> http://www.wikisym.org/2011/02/16/creative-commons-sponsors-wikisym-2011/
[21:48] <MarkDude> Local wiki event, sponsored by CC
[21:48] <MarkDude> akk ^^^ some reason I think you might know someone interested
[21:57] <akk> It does sound interesting.
[22:33] <MarkDude> Dangerous G is now in Africa. Awesomeness.
[22:34] <pleia2> woohoo
[22:35]  * MarkDude still cant wrap his mind around that :D
[22:35] <akk> So exotic!
[22:38] <MarkDude> Yep, it will be intersting to see how DVLUG goes without him
[22:38]  * MarkDude will only be able to go some o fthe time
[23:03] <bkerensa> Unity is so unstable :P keeps crashing
[23:04] <bkerensa> If I put a music CD in Unity crashes.... If I open LibreOffice writer it crashes :D
[23:06] <akk> "Doctor, it hurts when I use Unity!"
[23:06] <akk> :)
[23:28] <seidos> everytime i join an irc channel i get dr. nick's voice (from the Simpsons) saying "hi everybody!"
[23:28] <seidos> it's only in my head
[23:53] <MarkDude> Sounds cool seidos
[23:53] <MarkDude> I can relate
[23:54] <seidos> MarkDude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqImkDgDwHU&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF5E61FC8FE6A2BC1
[23:55] <MarkDude> Yep, I know Dr Nick
[23:55] <seidos> but when was the last time you saw him?
[23:56] <seidos> and heard him say "hi everybody..." or "we're going to have to improvise" or "capacimitator"


[02:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:00] <wyoung> I love this channel
[06:31] <ducasse> good morning
[09:12] <[VMGuy23]> Good morning
[20:06] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 681 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue681 :D


[10:45] <asd87s> hi there, short question: how much space should I allow Ubuntu Studio in a VM for a test install? (at least)


[21:33] <pavlushka> .tell zaki that My weather station webserver is working, https://imgur.com/XgiZacr
[21:33] <u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when zaki is around.
[21:43] <pavlushka> .tell zaki the corrected update is this https://imgur.com/PXia6Pl
[21:43] <u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when zaki is around.
[23:44] <pavlushka> next step is to make the arduino web client & server simultaneously to read time from an ntp server and send data to a weather server possibly and also publish the data as webserver locally
[23:44] <pavlushka> .tell zaki that next step is to make the arduino web client & server simultaneously to read time from an ntp server and send data to a weather server possibly and also publish the data as webserver locally
[23:44] <u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when zaki is around.


[07:59] <stevenm_> Hey are "Indicator Applets" (aka "App Indicators) an entirely Ubuntu/Canonical concept... and whether it is or not... does it implement any kind of higher standard, e.g. does it implement this from freedesktop.org... https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/
[08:01] <stevenm_> I noticed a package the other day which mentioned in their changelog they'd dropped their "Application Indicator" plugin support
[08:01] <stevenm_> Which makes me wonder if there was a reason for that
[08:17] <stevenm_> I'm going to guess https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/ and AppIndicators are one and the same thing
[09:43] <juliank> stevenm_: I believe we use the org.kde ones, instead of org.freedesktop
[09:43] <juliank> stevenm_: So yes that thing, just replace freedesktop with kde everywhere basically
[09:48] <stevenm_> I'm kiiiinda following then
[09:50] <stevenm_> juliank, so the "Indicator Applets" (as e.g. GNOME 2.x / MATE would call them) basically implements org.kde.StatusNotifierItem (which is AKA... KStatusNotifierItem  and also AKA AppIndicators)... and that is itself a spec that maybe was inspired by the fdo version?
[09:51] <stevenm_> and presumably for all you regular users of the main version of Ubuntu... do you all use this?  (or does it come pre-installed?)
[09:51] <stevenm_> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/
[10:00] <juliank> stevenm_: it's packaged as gnome-shell-extension-appindicator
[10:01] <juliank> stevenm_: The freedesktop spec is an attempt to standardize the kde extensino
[10:01] <juliank> I don't think it took off :)
[10:04] <stevenm_> ah i see so the org.kde version came first
[10:04] <stevenm_> and appindicators was just a Canonical-branded name for something that already existed?
[10:06] <seb128> stevenm_, rather a compatible implementation to be used on another desktop
[10:07] <stevenm_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/414463585/keepass2-plugin-ubuntu_0.7.0_source.changes
[10:07] <stevenm_> "Drop Application Indicator plugin"
[10:08] <stevenm_> can anyone think (I know you're not the authors, and neither am I)... why anyone might choose to drop support for it then?
[10:08] <stevenm_> at first I thought maybe they were going KDE/qt specific - but it would seem KDE originated the spec in the first place
[10:08] <stevenm_> I have asked the author here though... https://github.com/dlech/Keebuntu/issues/71
[10:09] <stevenm_> but I thought I'd try to some research to unpick the terminology a bit first.
[10:09] <juliank> there's still keepass2-plugin-status-notifier
[10:10] <stevenm_> juliank, I think that's what he's referring to when he says dropping appindicator support
[10:10] <stevenm_> as of 0.7.x onwards anyway
[10:10] <stevenm_> as 0.6.1 works fine
[10:10] <juliank> no
[10:11] <juliank> libappindicator is dead
[10:11] <juliank> sort of
[10:11] <stevenm_> oh lord, so the spec's not dead but the implementation is
[10:11] <juliank> no
[10:11] <juliank> libappindicator is replaced by libayatana-appindicator
[10:11] <juliank> but in the case of your app
[10:12] <juliank> it directly implements status notifier spec now
[10:12] <stevenm_> what do you by "directly" - how is it any different to before?
[10:12] <juliank> You don't need the library to implement the spec
[10:12] <stevenm_> right so did libappindicator act as some kind of go-between between apps and the proper org.kde spec?
[10:13] <juliank> it implemented the spec for you, and handled fallback to old systray stuff
[10:14] <stevenm_> so maybe I don't see it appear on my panel - is because the version of MATE in 18.04 - doesn't support this ayatana version of appindicator?!  so totally confused
[10:25] <stevenm_> ok so ayatana is a continuation of that library only
[11:16] <seb128> juliank, the statement you made before isn't really true in Ubuntu, libappindicator is still what install by default and recommend, the ayatana is in universe and unsupported
[11:18] <juliank> seb128: I thought a migration is going on
[11:18] <juliank> seb128: because libappindicator is not really maintained anymore
[11:18] <seb128> juliank, not in Ubuntu at least
[11:19] <juliank> seb128: Debian and Ubuntu MATE are pushing it is what I heard
[11:19] <seb128> a guy did an hostile fork and declared his is the actively maintained version
[11:19] <juliank> seb128: I know Debian is migrating, and I recall discussions in Ubuntu context
[11:19] <seb128> right, but Ubuntu itself isn't which is what I was pointing out
[11:35] <juliank> People who have focal, bionic, and xenial installed on a device with fwupd support
[11:35] <juliank> can you install shim and shim-signed from proposed and check that bug 1864223 is not happening
[11:36] <juliank> You need to have a Linux Firmware Updater entry in your UEFI
[11:37] <juliank> Otherwise I'm just going to mark this as verified for all releases, as the binaries are the same for all of them anyway
[11:38] <juliank> (and there's no interaction with other parts that was causing the regression :D)
[12:53] <xnox> juliank:  can immediate-configuration take :native arg for the package name?
[12:53] <xnox><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:54] <xnox> seems to indicate we fail at "immediate configuration" when we need to immediately configure _both_ libgcc-s1:amd64 libgcc-s1:i386, or like libc6:amd64 and libc6:i386.
[12:54] <juliank> xnox: it's on/off, not a list of names
[12:56] <juliank> this has been discussed before, and the summary was that the libgcc-s1 rename does not work like that
[12:57] <juliank> e.g. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964477
[12:58] <juliank> which fails one level earlier
[12:59] <juliank> though maybe it's a different issue
[13:00] <xnox> related
[13:00] <xnox> juliank:  are "solutions" in message #41 actually sane?
[13:01] <xnox> given that libgcc-s1 provides libgcc1
[13:01] <xnox> slyon:  openvswitch built fine on riscv64, retrying netplan.io build.
[13:02] <xnox> slyon:  however it fails on amd64,arm64,ppc64le har har
[13:02] <slyon> thanks!
[13:02] <juliank> xnox: I trust david's opinion on that
[13:03] <xnox> maybe i should have copied it, instead of uploading fresh. that way existing binaries would have been used on other arches.
[13:03] <juliank> xnox: AFAICT; he actually tested those
[13:03] <xnox> cool.
[13:03] <xnox> juliank:  so what does doko think about implementing one of those three solutions from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964477#41 ?
[13:03] <juliank> I don't know
[13:04] <juliank> it'S the important question
[13:04] <juliank> doko wanted to avoid the breaks for fear of breaking stuff iirc, but not having the breaks actually breaks stuff
[13:05] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, hey, do you think you could merge gst-plugins-good/bad1.0? you did the previous merge and they are needed for the new gstreamer
[13:06] <juliank> xnox: Doesn't help with the immediate configure issue though
[13:09] <doko> juliank, xnox: I'm fine with any patch that doesn't ask about the removal of essential packages ...
[13:10]  * juliank hates xenial
[13:11] <juliank> (it does not interact well with virtio-vga)
[13:11] <juliank> (like you need to resize twice to get it to display anything)
[13:13] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, sure!
[13:13] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, thanks!
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, when ding poppler, please have a look at this https://bugs.debian.org/969537
[13:14] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, ack, I've the merge ready for upload but I wanted the libffi transition to be through before uploading
[15:04] <xnox> cpaelzer:  hm, i've tried to gain openvswitch binaries on riscv64 but that ftbfs with current dpdk. But i see you have a new dpdk on the go in bileto and with that openvswitch appears to build.
[15:05] <xnox> cpaelzer: you will be uploading new dpdk soon right? so I should not have been touching openvswitch?
[15:05] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: We were talking about systemd upstream support for "inflight transactions" being added (in the context of dual-boot for netplan/cloud-init interop); you didn't have time to explain your thoughts before, would you be able to expand on them now?
[15:09] <Odd_Bloke> (s/dual-boot/dual-phase boot/)
[15:13] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  yes, so, systemd in groovy supports loading some units, there were previously not found.
[15:13] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  yes, so, systemd in groovy supports loading some units, that there were previously not found.
[15:13] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  and it should be merging them into the current transaction.
[15:14] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  thus allowing to "slot-in" something that was not there before, and yet, be used with things like "After=" during initial boot.
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: So lazy-loading of a sort?
[15:15] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/netplan/pull/157
[15:15] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  yes, but for only a specific subset of units.
[15:15] <xnox> core: refresh unit cache when building a transaction if UNIT_NOT_FOUND
[15:16] <xnox> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/16371
[15:16] <xnox> at the moment that is only available in groovy.
[15:20] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, OK, so that netplan fix isn't backportable either.
[15:20] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  not without a backport of https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/16371
[15:20] <xnox> there are cross-projects deps either way.
[15:20] <xnox> cloud-init & netplan => multi-transaction boot
[15:21] <xnox> systemd & netplan => lazy load netplan.target
[15:21] <xnox> there might be a way to achieve lazy-load netplan.target
[15:21] <xnox> with "systemctl restart network.target" which shouldn't need a backport of systemd, just a change in either systemd or cloud-init to do that.
[15:22] <xnox> but i am sceptical that that is true, given once unit is loaded, that command would want to trigger daemon-reload too.
[15:26] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: You mean it would just need a change in systemd unit files, rather than a backport of systemd C code?
[15:28] <cpaelzer> xnox: a new dpdk will come as soon as 19.11.4 is released
[15:28] <cpaelzer> xnox: the builds you'd seen where related to help upstream to not break itself
[15:28] <cpaelzer> xnox: there is also a OVS 2.13.1 in the making by the openstack team
[15:29] <cpaelzer> xnox: I verified it will build against the new DPDK
[15:29] <cpaelzer> I've not looked at risk for that thou
[15:29] <cpaelzer> xnox: risc seems happy with it https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4252/+build/19921484
[15:30] <cpaelzer> I don't know when/if the openstack Team planned to upload the new OVS
[15:31] <cpaelzer> s/you'd/you've/
[15:37] <xnox> "You mean it would just need a change in systemd unit files, rather than a backport of systemd C code?" => yes.
[19:01] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: im out today (holiday here) wont be able to make it
[21:13] <teward> rbasak: sorry i had no internet
[22:14] <xnox> mwhudson:  still confused by ghc. what did we do in ubuntu that it takes so much longer for us, than it does for debian.
[22:14] <xnox> did we do something to our llvm to like enable optimizations that are disabled in debian or vice versa?
[22:14] <mwhudson> xnox: it seems to take 12 hours longer each time we build it
[22:15] <xnox> but it only takes 12h in debian or so
[22:16] <mwhudson> huh
[22:16] <xnox> llvm itself takes 17h, even if one bootstraps that 3 times over, it should be just be 51h
[22:16] <mwhudson> it takes about that on arm64 too
[22:16] <mwhudson> xnox: is it all that's holding up libffi now?
[22:16] <xnox> yes
[22:16] <xnox> hm both s390x arm64 are in --max-parallel=2
[22:17]  * xnox wonders if we should add armhf there too
[22:17] <mwhudson> oh so it might be in swap death?
[22:17] <mwhudson> but surely we don't have swap on buildds
[22:17] <xnox> they are overcommitted VMs
[22:17] <xnox> which is effectively the same, no?
[22:17] <mwhudson> yeah i guess so
[22:18] <mwhudson> get someone in ~IS to run vmstat on the host or something
[22:18] <mwhudson> i guess?
[22:18] <xnox> let me add armhf to --max-parallel=2 and throw that into a separate bileto ppa