[05:05] <yano> http://www.meetup.com/Central-Ohio-Cyber-Security-for-Control-Systems/events/229466028/
[05:05] <jenni> [ Group Kickoff Event, with Brent Huston - Central Ohio Cyber Security for Control Systems (Columbus, OH)- Meetup ] - https://j.mp/1qufnmm


 Hello fam
 Is downloading driverspack any useful for kubuntu??
[11:51] <tomreyn> PJtunes: most likely not (but then it's not clear what "driverspack" is)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hello. Quick question: Will there be somewhat of a "Kubuntu Pro" as well, given that Ubuntu Pro is now going into beta?
[15:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> @Tarek That's simply not possible. Kubuntu is developed by the community, not by Canonical, and as such the extended support does not apply.
 Since Canonical is not in charge, the community maintaining Kubuntu could actually push the boundary further by getting rid of snap packages preinstalled and follow the latest release cycle of Plasma and it’s frameworks instead of older ones. I mean community won’t be playing the corporate roles here anyways and they can implement the best choice than what Canonical could do in years maybe (re @IrcsomeBot: <Eickmeyer[m]> @Tarek That'
 I know backports is a option for latest and greatest of KDE but why not being one and pushing all the updates (re @CrustyCrab55: Since Canonical is not in charge, the community maintaining Kubuntu could actually push the boundary further by getting rid of snap packages preinstalled and follow the latest release cycle of Plasma and it’s frameworks instead of older ones. I mean community won’t be playing the corporate roles here anyway
 That's not how it works, and it's way more complicated than that. Canonical is still in charge of the repositories, and the Ubuntu Technical Board is still in charge of what constitutes an official flavor. Kubuntu still has to fall under certain rules to be an official flavor. Canonical holds the trademark for Kubuntu, even if it's community developed. But there's an official support support period of 3 years as set by the Kubuntu community
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> !latest
 (3 years for LTS, 9 months for regular)
 Gotcha
 Ok thanks (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> PJtunes: most likely not (but then it's not clear what "driverspack" is))


[00:00] <tomreyn> and another 8 seconds for network manager / dhcp. you could mostly save those by using a static network configuration
[00:00] <Gallomimia> holy..... CRAP
[00:00] <tomreyn> ?
[00:00] <Gallomimia> well. the network situation is untennable and unfixable for now
[00:00] <Gallomimia> the blame is pages
[00:01] <Gallomimia> how can i make it output a sane view for pasting?
[00:01] <tomreyn> just the top 10 or 20 lines is fine
[00:02] <tomreyn> systemd-analyze blame | nc termbin.com 99999
[00:02] <tomreyn> systemd-analyze blame | nc termbin.com 9999   << one less
[00:02]  * uRock sees the flood coming, lol
[00:02] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg
[00:02] <Gallomimia> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MSZkmN8HrD/
[00:03] <Gallomimia> now there's blame and a plot?
[00:03] <cocof> tomreyn: nope/
[00:03] <Gallomimia> here's the netcat version: https://termbin.com/objv
[00:03] <OerHeks> plot makes an image
[00:05] <tomreyn> hmm 10 seconds waiting for plymouth to quit. maybe there's graphics initialization issues or something.
[00:05] <Gallomimia> maybe... my mobo is very unfriendly, with a buggy amd-iommu
[00:05] <Gallomimia> i also see this: Sep 26 17:31:20 draco-lambda gnome-session-binary[1751]: Unrecoverable failure in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop
[00:05] <Gallomimia> in my boot journal
[00:05] <Gallomimia> googling that leads to a 1y+ old bug
[00:07] <tomreyn> uninstalling or replacing some snaps might help with a faster boot, too.
[00:07] <cocof> yep
[00:07] <Gallomimia> snaps are poo
[00:07] <cocof> not poo
[00:07] <Gallomimia> dont do snaps. mmmkay?
[00:07] <cocof> you can install latest stuff via snaps
[00:07] <cocof> :)
[00:07] <cocof> and avoid security holes
[00:07] <tomreyn> !discuss
[00:08] <tomreyn> thanks ;)
[00:10] <Gallomimia> anyway, a faster boot would be nice but, i'm more concerned with the boot hang
[00:10] <tomreyn> so it really gets stuck there, it doesn't just 'take long'?
[00:11] <Gallomimia> in fact, if i don't flip tty's within a minute, it won't let me do it later
[00:11] <tomreyn> is the bios all updated?
[00:11] <Gallomimia> keyboard freezes,
[00:11] <Gallomimia> yes
[00:12] <Gallomimia> in fact, i almost wish i hadn't updated it. probably worked better before
[00:12] <tomreyn> ACPI warnings or errors?
[00:12] <Gallomimia> probably
[00:12] <tomreyn> you can probably downgrade the bios if needed.
[00:13] <Gallomimia> for reference, it's a gigabyte 990 fxa, um3
[00:13] <Gallomimia> (dont buy this)
[00:13] <tomreyn> you'll need to review (and optionally share with us) the full systemd journal
[00:13] <tomreyn> ...for the latest boot (-b)
[00:14] <Gallomimia> i have been reviewing the boot journal yes
[00:14] <cocof> solved.
[00:14] <Gallomimia> i found that gnome desktop critical error, and the mdadm library missing
[00:15] <tomreyn> you mean gnome-*shell*, right?
[00:15] <Gallomimia> would you care to help me cheat and craft a command to share this journal?
[00:15] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:15] <Gallomimia> i.... don't know what i mean anymore :/
[00:16] <Gallomimia> https://termbin.com/xz96
[00:16] <Gallomimia> i recommend asprin with this
[00:20] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: so your board is HW Rev 3.0?
[00:20] <Gallomimia> that sounds familiar yes
[00:21] <Gallomimia> i've fought with that puppy a lot
[00:21] <tomreyn> there are 6 different HW rev's, using different BIOSes, so you'd better be sure there.
[00:22] <tomreyn> it usually says on the mainboard
[00:22] <Gallomimia> cool story. one of the drives in my raid failed, and it offered to reset all BIOS settings to default, with no option to say no. i neglected to write down all the proper settings so it left me unable to boot for quite a long time.
[00:27] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: does        df -h | grep ^/dev | grep -v ^/dev/loop       report that you have spare space everywhere?
[00:28] <Gallomimia> it does
[00:28] <Gallomimia> checked that already. it was suggested in a google search for the original error message
[00:28] <tomreyn> sdc1 is an ext3 file system, you may want to redo this as ext4 or upgrade it.
[00:29] <Gallomimia> it's /boot
[00:29] <Gallomimia> everything except that is encrypted
[00:31] <tomreyn> "Directory /home to mount over is not empty"
[00:31] <Gallomimia> unexpected
[00:32] <tomreyn> make sure    /mnt/    is empty, then    mount --bind / /mnt     then clear out    /mnt/home/   then    umount /mnt
[00:32] <Gallomimia> hm. you're smart with linux AND a mindreader?
[00:32] <tomreyn> neither sadly
[00:33]  * uRock sees tomreyn denying skillz
[00:33] <Gallomimia> whoa. what's all this in here!
[00:34] <Gallomimia> just an old .dbus folder
[00:35] <Gallomimia> done
[00:36] <hackatheos_> Is kali better than ubuntu
[00:36] <uRock> no
[00:36] <hackatheos_> For hacking
[00:36] <Gallomimia> strongly depends upon what you're doing.
[00:36] <Gallomimia> well, perhaps
[00:36] <hackatheos_> Legally
[00:36] <uRock> deopends on who's behind the keyboard
[00:37] <uRock> you can install everything that's in Kali in ubuntu
[00:37] <hackatheos_> okay i need a crash course through linux pls
[00:37] <hackatheos_> Unix system i no
[00:38] <uRock> lmao, depends on what you want. We don't help people crack here
[00:38] <hackatheos_> Different branches from linux unix kernel
[00:38] <Gallomimia> yeah that's good for a laugh. a human who knows a unix system
[00:39] <hackatheos_> Yeah im best friends with one
[00:39] <hackatheos_> His name is kernel
[00:39] <hackatheos_> kernel sa
[00:39] <uRock> kernel Sanders?
[00:40] <hackatheos_> Yaaaaasss
[00:40] <hackatheos_> O my god i didnt even finish typing it
[00:41] <uRock> Admittedly, I use Kali when I'm misbehaving, but only due to the fact that the script kiddie app I use is more up to date in Kali
[00:41] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: did you see the discord snap issues? i think there's also an apt repo from discord, might be a better choice.
[00:41] <uRock> we're about to get kicked for being off topic, though
[00:42] <Gallomimia> i saw some of them tomreyn which is why i use a different snap. if there's an apt repo i will prefer that
[00:43] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: its spamming your log, probably still now (journalctl -f  to follow the log)
[00:43] <hackatheos_> uRock: yay scriptkiddies
[00:44] <Gallomimia> i have removed a few snaps while we were talking
[00:44]  * uRock is addicted to wifite
[00:45]  * hackatheos_ has to love that wifite
[00:45] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: i can't seem to spot where it gets stuck though, it may be helpful if you'll reboot and have the keyboard get stuck, then try to recover it and reboot gracefully or use magic !sysrq
[00:48] <Gallomimia> recovering it is quite un-possible
[00:48] <tomreyn> !sysrq | Gallomimia: even with this
[00:48] <Gallomimia> the only thing i've ever been able to get it to do after it freezes is go into emergency mod
[00:48] <Gallomimia> yes that
[00:48] <Gallomimia> it spams out a list of commands, but none of them work
[00:49] <tomreyn> what spits out a list of commands which don't work?
[00:49] <Gallomimia> hand mashing
[00:49] <Gallomimia> honestly
[00:49] <tomreyn> what's emergency mode,do you mean reboot to !recovery?
[00:50] <Gallomimia> no it just gives that list of commands. none of which seem to work
[00:50] <tomreyn> what is "it"?
[00:50] <Gallomimia> if i knew that....
[00:51] <Gallomimia> it shows when i get frustrated and mash the keyboard, after the freeze/hang
[00:51] <tomreyn> when does your system "spam out [this] list of commands"?
[00:51] <tomreyn> i see
[00:51] <tomreyn> so it still accepts input there
[00:51] <Gallomimia> not exactly
[00:52] <Gallomimia> aside from repeating the menu, it behaves as if the keyboard is disconnected
[00:52] <tomreyn> maybe you can recreate this situation and take a screen shot the classic way
[00:52] <Gallomimia> no lights show, no locks go on
[00:52] <Gallomimia> "classic" way
[00:52] <tomreyn> using a smartphone or camera
[00:52] <Gallomimia> more like, the new way for stupid-phone thumb gluers
[00:53] <tomreyn> the idea with making the system stuck there is that you can then (assuming you can reboot gracefully, with synching and unmounting file systems) review    journalctl -b -1   after you rebooted and see where it got stuck.
[00:54] <Gallomimia> i bet that command would show something right now
[00:54] <Gallomimia> and no. i can't reboot gracefully
[00:54] <hackatheos_> I use a phone because iys more portable https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NhzkeZNh/iUseAphone.png
[00:56] <tomreyn> other than that this log actually doesn't look bad at all.
[00:56] <Gallomimia> well.... that's good. i'm inclined to leave it
[00:57] <Gallomimia> i actually just managed to get it to boot from the encrypted LV today. and i don't know why
[00:57] <Gallomimia> my unencrypted drive stopped working somehow, somewhy
[00:59] <hackatheos_> How can i get invited to linux
[00:59] <Gallomimia> which kind of troll is this?!
[01:00] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: you meantioned this before, right? just making sure:   md: kicking non-fresh sdb3 from array!
[01:00] <Gallomimia> we touched on it yes. that drive is some kind of hoopla
[01:01] <tomreyn> well, make sure cat /proc/mdstat seems sound
[01:01] <Gallomimia> smart reports show some unclear but bad things. i think the r/w head is borked
[01:01] <tomreyn> should have no underscores in square brackets
[01:02] <Gallomimia> it shows [_UU]
[01:02] <Gallomimia> which is normal these days
[01:04] <Gallomimia> i should really buy some new drives. maybe a pair of 4's and transfer to a raid 1
[01:20] <Gallomimia> what the smeg does this mean? snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC2D0: HDMI: invalid ELD data byte 8
[01:20] <Gallomimia> google reports it makes so
[01:20] <uRock> you broke it
[01:20] <Gallomimia> sound not work but
[01:20] <Gallomimia> my sound does work. i don't often play thru the display port or hdmi output.
[01:21] <Gallomimia> however, i do sometimes get a weird scratchy echo on the analog output
[01:22] <hackatheos_> This is why windows exists
[01:23] <Gallomimia> stop your trolling
[01:23] <hackatheos_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xs8QpZeZ/cautionary.png
[01:24] <hackatheos_> Troll on you.
[01:24] <hackatheos_> No ubuntu is better in many aspects than windows
[01:25] <tomreyn> !discuss
[01:25] <hackatheos_> Oh thanks
[01:25] <hackatheos_> Sorry ive been on the wrong chan
[01:25] <uRock> !xorg
[01:26] <uRock> never had any problems with that.
[01:34] <Gallomimia> have i ever
[02:07] <naribia> hello, I recently purchased a laptop, and accidentally installed ubuntu fully, when I was planning to have duel boot. I see the windows boot manager there, is there any way to recover windows?
[02:21] <Gallomimia> you might try to recover the partition, but it's much more likely that ubuntu overwrote everything
[02:22] <Gallomimia> think about it.... if windows was installed at the start of the disk, with blank space after, then ubuntu gets installed, at the start of the disk, with blank space after
[02:22] <Gallomimia> it's gone mate.
[02:23] <tonyt> naribia google the machine name/model along with key combo for a 1 time boot menu. if the machine has that option, if windows is still on the machine ou will be able to boot in to it
[02:23] <tomreyn> naribia timed out some minutes ago
[02:23] <tonyt> whoops. k
[02:23] <Gallomimia> i think you're better off just looking at the Disks program, and seeing if there's any windows partitions there
[02:24] <Gallomimia> ah. it's a shame we have to hide leave/joins in this channel to barely use it
[02:24] <tonyt> expsensive mistake for sure
[02:24] <Gallomimia> not so bad. acquire a reinstallation media for windows. something you should have anyway
[02:25] <Gallomimia> you have no business owning a computer if you don't have a bootable rescue disk. i'm aware they stopped providing them, but the requirement stands
[02:37] <TheFatherMind> Question: So it seems like my laptop is configured so that if the screen is down and physical external screen is connected it automatically goes into sleep mode. How can I turn that off?
[02:41] <tomreyn> Answer: HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[02:41] <TheFatherMind> Thank you so much
[02:42] <tomreyn> Response to indication of gratitude: You're welcome.
[02:42] <TheFatherMind> Using a virtual screen.  Every time I unplug the physical screen it was going it to sleep mode.  Took me a moment to figure out what was happening.
[02:42] <TheFatherMind> Well virtual video driver
[02:45] <tomreyn> This setting will entirely disable automatic suspend when closing the lid, though, not just if there's an external monitor connected. I don't know of a better way which handles these cases seperately.
[02:45] <tomreyn> You can still suspend from the menu, though.
[02:46] <tomreyn> (Alt + Power off icon)
[02:46] <TheFatherMind> This will be running some server type services so I intend on keeping it always on.
[02:47] <tomreyn> Ah so it's actually desirable this way.
[02:47] <TheFatherMind> Correct.
[02:47] <empty_cup> anyone have experience with linux traffic control (tc) and the police action?
[03:37] <Gallomimia> the... WHAT?
[03:41] <tripleb> I want to ask about the Realtek RTL8723BE wireless card. I have an HP 455 probook. (Windows sees 20 wifi signal, ubuntu 18.04 barely sees my signal next to it from my phone and is easily disconnected.) The question is, will the newer Ubuntu be better?
[03:42] <OerHeks> tripleb, how did you install that  RTL8723BE driver?
[03:42] <tripleb> OerHeks: i didnt. It is the original.
[03:42] <OerHeks> it is known for giving troubles under linux.
[03:42] <OerHeks> antenna thingy
[03:42] <OerHeks> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2404508
[03:43] <OerHeks> remove the driver, sudo modprobe -r rtl8723be
[03:43] <tripleb> Oh thanks. Will Klik.
[03:43] <OerHeks> and add again, with the right antenna config : sudo modprobe -v rtl8723be ant_sel=2
[03:43] <tripleb> Gotcha
[03:44] <tripleb> Thank you.
[03:44] <tripleb> Oerheks
[03:44] <OerHeks> this post gives an example howto make it permanent
[03:44] <OerHeks> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2404508&page=2&p=13811536#post13811536
[04:01] <TheFatherMind> The virtual video card to screen is not working out.  I cannot get Ubuntu to react properly to it.  It keeps switching it off.  Is there a way to stop this from happening or to just remove it so linux does not detect it?  Even when it is off it still is causing funky stuff to happen.
[04:02] <TheFatherMind> Might also be the internal laptop screen.  Not sure
[04:34] <TheFatherMind> I am actually having issues with the virtual screen and the internal laptop screen.  I need to permanently disable the internal laptop screen.
[05:27] <saaam> Hey there, I've got an interesting challenge: is there a way to tell if a 12.04 LTS system was upgraded to 14.04 LTS? Are any files/artefacts/configs left behind which would indicate that, once the upgrade process was completed successfully?
[05:29] <TheFatherMind> what happens when you type lsb_release -a
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> saaam: are you paying for ESM support?
[05:30] <Jake-abc> Hello.
[05:30] <TheFatherMind> Oh yeah I totally read his question wrong.
[05:30] <saaam> These aren't my systems; as part of a DD exercise, once of the things I just got asked was if I could tell whether an existing Ubuntu 14.04 LTS system was upgraded from 12.04 LTS, and if so, when. The end client is looking at ESM.
[05:30] <saaam> Er, one of the things, even.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> saaam: we dont support neither 12.04 or 14.04 but feel free to discuss things at #ubuntu-discuss
[05:32] <saaam> This isn't about support.
[05:32] <TheFatherMind> LOL that is why he sent you to "-discuss"
[05:32] <saaam> So let's say, is there a way to, on an Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system, which is still under support, is there a way to tell if it's a "native install", or been upgraded from 14.04 LTS before that one expired? :D
[05:33] <TheFatherMind> This room is basically #ubuntu-support
[05:33] <saaam> Yeah, fair enough.
[05:34] <TheFatherMind> Maybe take a peek in the /etc/apt source folders for remanents.. IDK just guessing.
[05:34] <Jake-abc> Symlink question. I created a soft symlink in ~/Desktop/ to an ods (spreadsheet) file elsewhere. When I double-click the symlink's icon in Nautilus, it opens the file in the appropriate program. However, when I double-click the symlink icon on the Desktop, itself, it says "Command not found." What might be stopping it from working on the desktop?
[05:34] <Jake-abc> Should probably mention that I'm on Ubuntu 19.04.
[05:35] <saaam> TheFatherMind: That's probably the one. I mean, realistically, for *any* version, I should just use a find with ctime params to check for files older than a few years.
[05:41] <rfm> saaam, "grep cd /etc/apt/sources.list" will pop out the cdrom entry for the original install
[05:42] <saaam> rfm: Nice, thank you. That's the one, I think. Since I can SaltStack that one and figure out what percentage of the fleet went through lifetime upgrades, versus clean installs.
[05:43] <saaam> It's amusing to get a six-figure bill from Canonical, and the first digit isn't a 1.
[05:43] <TheFatherMind> I cannot believe I got so close on a random guess.  (:
[05:44]  * TheFatherMind pats himself on the back... (and admires rfm for knowing)
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> plz focus on support here guys
[06:03] <Baikonur> hey, I know it's not what most people are into, but I have a question regarding Ubuntu on windows subsystem for linux
[06:04] <zmagii> Baikonur: yes? i also use the WSL
[06:04] <Baikonur> my apt upgrade is keeping back ubuntu-wsl and wslu packages, is it safe for me to update them manually, they're not massive meta-packages that are going to change my release version to newer or something?
[06:10] <zmagii> what do you mean keeping back
[06:11] <zmagii> i am running update and upgrade quickly to see what messages i get
[06:18] <Baikonur> when I run apt-get upgrade, it says "the following packages have been kept back:"
[06:18] <Baikonur> and the next line "ubuntu-wsl wslu"
[06:23] <EriC^^> Baikonur: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:24] <Bashing-om> Baikonur: generally there is a reason that packages are kept back, However, opne can force the upgrade with ' sudo apt full-upgrade '. Ya might ask >>
[06:25] <Bashing-om> !wsl | Baikonur
[06:27] <zmagii> when I run upgrade
[06:27] <zmagii> i don't see any held back
[06:27] <zmagii> is this your first installation of ubuntu on wsl or is this after doing an upgrade
[06:28] <Baikonur> it's a fairly new installation, couple of days
[06:29] <Baikonur> EriC^^: I wan't to keep it on the LTS version, wouldn't a dist-upgrade update my release version past that?
[06:30] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | Baikonur
[06:31] <zmagii> Baikonur: it seems like i don't have wslu installed. According to apt it is a "collection of utilities for the Windows 10 Linux Subsystem" but it does not have "[installed]" next to it, meaning i don't have it installed
[06:31] <Baikonur> oh, ok
[06:31] <zmagii> Baikonur: having said that, my ubuntu wsl console works
[06:31] <Baikonur> well I'll do a dist-upgrade then
[06:31] <zmagii> so did you install wslu manually?
[06:31] <Baikonur> no
[06:31] <Baikonur> maybe it came with something else, like build-essential or something
[06:32] <zmagii> certainly it seems like i don't have it installed; if i run install and cancel it i can see for example i don't have some of the dependencies either, like "libpulsedsp"
[06:33] <zmagii> incidentally, i do in fact have build-essential installed
[06:33] <Baikonur> ok dist-upgrade did upgrade them just fine
[06:33] <Baikonur> thanks
[06:34] <zmagii> Baikonur: btw, a few things you should keep in mind about WSL is that some things can't be done, for example sshuttle won't work like it will on "the real" ubuntu
[06:34] <zmagii> Baikonur: glad it worked
[06:34] <zmagii> however, for perl/python/etc WSL is great for me
[06:35] <zmagii> and you can easily edit anything in the windows filesystem through /mnt/c/
[06:36] <zmagii> if you have network drives you need to mount them manually though through a folder, for example /mnt/shared_drive/
[06:36] <Baikonur> yeah I've been using it for python and bash scripting
[07:44] <isomari> greetings, what is the top left menu called on all gui apps that contains the "more actions>special window settings?
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> isomari: activities corner you mean?
[07:46] <humpled> the one with the close/maximise/minimise etc options ?
[07:50] <KOLANICH> Hi everyone. Where can I change dkms flags? IDK why but it seems someone has combined incompatible flags (-mindirect-branch and -fcf-protection) breaking build of essential modules like bcmwl.
[07:51] <isomari> lotuspsychje: Sounds right. thanks
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> KOLANICH: can you tell us the whole story please, ubuntu version and what are you doign with broadcom driver? pastebin your apt output
[07:56] <KOLANICH> lotuspsychje: 1. I have accidentially nuked /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. 2. I have decided that if I have to reinstall all the packages I should update to eoan simultaneously. 3. I have managed get apt working (I had an iso) so I have reinstalled the most of packages. But some essential ones are broken, like systemd, systemd-networkd. So now I have no network on pc and am writing from a phone.
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> KOLANICH: 19.10 support, please join in #ubuntu+1
[07:59] <TheFatherMind> I need to run xrandr to disable  a ghost screen.  Where is the best place to put that so it runs just after the graphical interface initializes?  I have tried putting it in a number of places but nothing seems to work.
[08:09] <fobo7> hi all, i use ubuntu 18.04 lts and i5 8400, with integreted video, and i have freezing lspci | grep -E «VGA|3D» 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 3e92, how to fix?
[08:10] <fobo7> may not have installed drivers from the video card?
[08:12] <ducasse> TheFatherMind: ~/.xsession should work
[08:13] <ducasse> TheFatherMind: ~/.xsessionrc i mean
[08:15] <ducasse> fobo7: the intel drivers are installed by default, so you should have those. is your bios up to date?
[08:16] <fobo7>  lspci | grep -E «VGA|3D» mast show UHD 630?
[08:16] <fobo7> must*
[08:18] <ducasse> fobo7: i'm not sure what it should show
[08:20] <fobo7> on another pc shows Intel HD 610 and all warks
[08:20] <fobo7> need update bios?
[08:20] <ducasse> it's one thing i would check
[08:21] <fobo7> PRIME B360M-A BIOS 2602, new release 2019/08/27
[08:22] <fobo7> people fix so GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.alpha_support=1" on 17.01
[08:28] <deanc> Hey, im having problems with pairing on my 1000XM3 sony bluetooth headphones. I can pair them, but let's say i turn them off and back on again they "connect" to my machine - it appears connected in the bluetooth panel but the audio source has not changed
[08:28] <deanc> Sorry i meant output. Furthermore, when I do change the audio output nothing happens. When i click test there are no speakers to click or anything
[08:29] <deanc> The only way to fix it is to put it in pairing mode again and manually disconnect and connect
[08:29] <deanc> a bit annoying UX...
[09:30] <hans_> it's a modded 18.04 from a VPS provider running on Xen, running apt update;apt full-upgrade; i got this, should i be worried? http://paste.debian.net/plain/1102914
[09:31] <hans_> (ah, grub-common was already installed, nvm the last line)
[09:47] <IsoLinCHiP> Hi there. Any ideas how I could revive an unresponsive USB cable mouse without rebooting? I have tried reattaching it (to various USB ports). I have tried said mouse on another computer and it works there. I have also attached a different mouse, which also does not move. The USB port is powered, as the DPI indicator on the mouse is lit and responds to changes in setting.
[09:48] <IsoLinCHiP> My keyboard (that Im typing on right now) is also attached to USB, so the USB stack isnt totally broken.
[09:50] <Ben64> just seems like mice are broken
[09:50] <IsoLinCHiP> Hehe. Yeah, I sure would be allot hapier if modern websites wouldnt rely on mice. ;-)
[09:51] <Ben64> does dmesg have anything exciting when you plug in a mouse
[09:51] <Ben64> and does xev show anything when you move a mouse around
[09:51] <hans_> IsoLinCHiP, probably possible and the answer is in /sys somewhere but.. sec
[09:52] <IsoLinCHiP> Maybe related or unrelated, I cant seem to switch the VT with Ctrl+Alt+FX . But Im not even sure that still works in Ubuntu 18
[09:52] <mgedmin> do you see any events if you try sudo evemu-record on the mouse device?  (does evemu-record _see_ the mouse device?)
[09:52] <mgedmin> ctrl+alt+fx should absolutely work in ubuntu 18.xx
[09:52]  * IsoLinCHiP ist checking
[09:53] <humpled> but only for 3-6?
[09:53] <mgedmin> I get a gdm screen on tty1, my session on tty2, a text login on tty3
[09:53] <humpled> ah
[09:54] <mgedmin> (I'm on 19.04, but I think GUI sessions were moved from tty7 to tty1&2 several years ago)
[09:54] <IsoLinCHiP> Nothign suspicious in dmesg. I get a disconnect and a reconnect message. I recognised the vendor correctly
[09:54] <IsoLinCHiP> xev does not produce events, as the mouse doesnt move
[09:55] <mgedmin> if you don't have evemu-record installed, you can try sudo cat /dev/input/mice
[09:55] <IsoLinCHiP> mgedmin: I dont seem to have a binary named evemu-record
[09:55] <mgedmin> see if you get any garbage characters when you move the mouse
[09:56] <IsoLinCHiP> roger
[09:56] <Ben64> that's a good one
[09:56] <mgedmin> this will at least narrow down if the problem is on the hardware/kernel level, or somewhere up the stack
[09:56] <Ben64> i'd maybe do hexdump though
[09:56] <IsoLinCHiP> mgedmin: Yes, /dev/input/mice produces output
[09:56] <mgedmin> yeah, but I 'm not sure if that does any buffering
[09:57] <IsoLinCHiP> So I guess X is confused?
[09:57] <mgedmin> are you using Xorg or Wayland?
[09:57] <IsoLinCHiP> Whew, good question. My guess would be Xorg, unless Wayland became standard in Ubuntu 18?
[09:57] <mgedmin> BTW gdm itself uses wayland even if your main session is Xorg, so you may want to ctrl+alt+f1 and test if the mouse works there
[09:58] <mgedmin> if in doubt you can 'echo $WAYLAND_DISPLAY' in a terminal; if it's blank then you're on Xorg
[09:58] <mgedmin> and if you're using the defaults then you're definitely on Xorg
[09:59] <mgedmin> so, xorg: if you run xinput, do you see anything about the mouse?
[09:59] <mgedmin> (I'm on wayland so I can't check what the output is expected to look like, normally -- it's all virtual pointer devices for me)
[10:00] <mgedmin> does the problem go away if you restart X (i.e. log out and log in again)?
[10:00] <mgedmin> (or do you wish to debug this without interrupting your user session?)
[10:01] <IsoLinCHiP> While not defaults - running i3, I am rather certain its on Xorg. Got now wayland processes
[10:01] <mgedmin> some X client might have grabbed the mouse and gotten stuck, eating all the events
[10:01] <mgedmin> I remember using x2x a while back to control a remote computer with my local keyboard+mouse: if the network dropped I couldn't move the mouse or use the keyboard and it was no fun at all
[10:01] <IsoLinCHiP> Yes, the mouse is registered to virtual core pointer
[10:02] <mgedmin> so I know that it's possible for an X11 client to do this, which would also remove the events from xev
[10:02] <IsoLinCHiP> Sneaky ;-D
[10:02] <mgedmin> which is why it would be interesting to see if restarting X (and therefore killing all clients) would affect things
[10:02] <mgedmin> (or it could be an Xorg driver bug getting into some weird state where a restart might also fix things)
[10:03] <IsoLinCHiP> Ok, the most likely candidate is my running virtualbox, but it also isnt moving the mouse
[10:03] <mgedmin> then there are things like multiple pointer support (where xinput would have shown the device not attached to the core pointer)
[10:03] <mgedmin> ah!  what's the key to ask virtualbox to release mouse/keyboard grabs?  ctrl+alt?  right ctrl?
[10:04] <mgedmin> but if vbox is itself stuck it might ignore the key and just not do anything
[10:04] <mgedmin> can you close virtualbox and see what happens?
[10:04] <IsoLinCHiP> Mine is Right ctrl, Ive allready fiddled with that
[10:04] <mgedmin> there's a key that tells Xorg to break mouse grabs, which helps when dealing with buggy clients, but also completely breaks screen locking, so it's disabled by default
[10:05] <IsoLinCHiP> I would prefer to avoid shutting X or virtualbox down. I am also not confident suspending the VM would work.
[10:05] <mgedmin> I think to enable it you have to edit xorg.conf and restart X, so it's not useful
[10:06] <mgedmin> (I don't ever recall suspending VMs not working for me, but I haven't used GUI VMs in a long time)
[10:07] <mgedmin> k, next there's the Xorg accessibility feature mousekeys where you should be able to move the pointer with your keyboard
[10:07] <mgedmin> I don't remember how you turn it on, and I wonder if the mouse grab (if there is one) would also intercept these synthetic mouse movements...
[10:07] <IsoLinCHiP> Well, I have a rather odd VM configuration ;-) (better not get into that)
[10:08] <mgedmin> any other ideas?  'cuz I'm running out
[10:09] <IsoLinCHiP> Using the keyboard to move the mouse would at least help me shut down my running session cleanly. Any ideas how to enable that?
[10:11] <IsoLinCHiP> Nvm, found it
[10:11] <IsoLinCHiP> Shift Num, after invoking setxkbmap
[10:12] <IsoLinCHiP> Ok, that part works, strangely enough
[10:12] <IsoLinCHiP> Wow, it even ignores VirtualBox desire to grab all keystrokes
[10:13] <IsoLinCHiP> So I can even use it on the VM window
[10:13] <IsoLinCHiP> God its gonna take so long to setup all my tmux sessions again the way I want them -.-
[10:34] <IsoLinCHiP> Well, I was lucky this time, I was able to resume the VM. So I didnt lose too much state. Restarting the X session fixed the issue. thanks for your time, mgedmin
[10:35] <mgedmin> huh, so closing virtualbox didn't fix it, but restarting X did?
[10:35] <IsoLinCHiP> Though I really would have like to avoid shutting down everything that was outside the VM
[10:35] <mgedmin> that doesn't sound like a stuck grab then ...
[10:36] <IsoLinCHiP> Hmm, Im not even sure I tryed moving the mouse after I had closed VB, tbh
[10:36] <mgedmin> ah, that's a shame
[10:46] <znull> https://pastebin.com/raw/ACPaw4zi  hey i just bought some chinese intelimouse microsoft , and when i plug it on my ubuntu thinkpad it does not work,  on windows its ok
[11:01] <IsoLinCHiP> Hmm, looks like today is mouse day ;-D
[11:02] <IsoLinCHiP> znull: Is your trackpad/trackpoint still working?
[11:03] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, yes
[11:03] <IsoLinCHiP> znull: Does the output of 'xinput' show the mouse under the text "Virtual core pointer"?
[11:03] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, it seems only on linux it does not work
[11:04] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, https://pastebin.com/raw/B8dLCkFf
[11:04] <znull> ⎜   ↳ USB Gaming mouse Љ                        id=9    [slave  pointer  (2)]
[11:04] <znull>  weird name
[11:04] <IsoLinCHiP> Well, looks good
[11:05] <znull> on windows its saying USB Gaming mouse Љ           and after few seconds it turns on Intellimouse 3.0
[11:05] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, expect it does not work
[11:05] <IsoLinCHiP> Well, I wouldnt think that is the problem.
[11:06] <IsoLinCHiP> Can you check if running 'sudo cat /dev/input/mice' produces some sort of output on the terminal (if it does it will be unreadable, thats fine)
[11:06] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, trackpoint,trackpad works fine.. and the mouse i tried plugging on other usb ports.. same does not work ( it turns red but the pointer is not moving )
[11:06] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, no output
[11:07] <znull> oh
[11:07] <mgedmin> any errors in dmesg | tail?
[11:07] <IsoLinCHiP> hmm, well, at that point we can rule out it being the same problem I just had
[11:07] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, it produce some sort of output when i play with my trackpoint, with mouse nothing
[11:07] <znull>  cat /dev/input/mice
[11:07] <znull> ▒�(�(�
[11:07] <znull> ((�(�((�(((
[11:08] <IsoLinCHiP> Yeah, as I said, its just about if it produces any output at all, not what
[11:08] <znull> mgedmin, https://pastebin.com/raw/n8cF0Syv no
[11:09] <znull> IsoLinCHiP,  is there any chance to force the mouse to use other mouse module ? since it works on windows
[11:09] <mgedmin> that looks like it should be working
[11:09] <IsoLinCHiP> Im sorry, I am out of ideas. My best guess is that the "Љ" character in the device name might be causing an issue, but wouldnt have any idea how to resolve it
[11:10] <mgedmin> maybe inspecting the actual events with evemu-record (instead of staring at the binary bytes in /dev/input/mice) would help?
[11:11] <mgedmin> or looking at the udev properties assigned to this device?
[11:11] <mgedmin> I'm not really qualified to debug this
[11:15] <aanderse> i'm trying to get ubuntu 18.04 to authenticate against active directory via openldap + pam. i have followed this tutorial: https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Ubuntu_18.04&p=openldap&f=3 but can't seem to get it to work.
[11:15] <aanderse> when i attempt to login via a console i observe this from watching journald: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C3r3VqdKjq/
[11:16] <aanderse> if anyone has any experience with pam_ldap i would greatly appreciate any help or advice they could provide
[11:29] <PrzemekF-wcht> Hello, what is the easiest way to install the WSL version of Ubuntu on Windows Server if Windows Store is not available on Windows Server?
[11:31] <IsoLinCHiP> The fact that the device name changes when you plug it in to windows seems suspicious to me too. Maybe its just not linux compatible :-(
[11:33] <tomreyn> !wsl | PrzemekF-wcht
[11:33] <IsoLinCHiP> znull: try researching the web for any other linux users of your mouse. Is it some funky mouse that has extra keypad buttons or something like that?
[11:35] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, http://tiny.cc/skdidz
[11:37] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, thats the mouse..
[11:38] <IsoLinCHiP> znull: Oh, hmm, well, that is surprising. I would not expect compatibility issues with linux, if its an original.
[11:39] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, well im not sure how original is.. they are from china lol
[11:39] <IsoLinCHiP> znull: Sorry, I am out of ideas. :-(
[11:39] <PrzemekF-wcht> tomreyn: okay thanks, the channel #ubuntu-on-windows has 13 users while the instructions linked are for Windows 10 and cannot work on Windows Server because of lack of Windows Store
[11:40] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, maybe if i can write some udev rule to change that weird char.
[11:40] <znull> IsoLinCHiP, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/119593/is-there-a-way-to-change-device-names-in-dev-directory something like this?
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> PrzemekF-wcht: there also ##windows if you like
[11:40] <znull> IsoLinCHiP,  but im not sure which device is
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:04] <vetr> PrzemekF-wcht: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-on-server
[12:04] <vetr> You may do it via powershell
[12:06] <tomreyn> vetr: please /join #ubuntu-on-windows
[12:07] <vetr> I didn't ask the question
[12:20] <PrzemekF-wcht> vetr: Thanks. That page also has download links for Ubuntu 18.04 and 16.04 outside the Store. I will later try to install using the instructions.
[12:23] <PrzemekF-wcht> tomreyn: I had joined #ubuntu-on-windows and asked the same question but didn't get any response there, only here
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> PrzemekF-wcht: i hope you understand we can only support plain ubuntu & its flavors here
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> PrzemekF-wcht: there's also ##windows if you want
[12:34] <tomreyn> PrzemekF-wcht / vetr: as lotuspsychje already stated, it's just that we'd like to keep WSL specific chat in a dedicated channel for now (and not here).
[12:34] <ianliu80> I have a Nvidia Quadro 4000, and I've installed the drivers with `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`, but no driver was loaded: `lsmod | grep nv` returns nothing. Any help?
[12:35] <ianliu80> I've already rebooted my machine
[12:35] <tomreyn> PrzemekF-wcht / vetr: this said, if you have generic ubuntu questions while using WSL, this place is as good as any.
[12:35] <vetr> Understood
[12:36] <tomreyn> ty
[12:37] <tomreyn> ianliu80: so did "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" install a driver then?
[12:37] <ianliu80> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMJkkDNk2S/ here are the packages containing "nv"
[12:39] <tomreyn> i suspect this hardware i no longer supported by the proprietary nvidia drivers.
[12:39] <ianliu80> tomreyn: it is supported by the 390 driver series
[12:39] <ianliu80> from what I've been reading
[12:40] <tomreyn> can you show    lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:40] <ianliu80> which is what ubuntu-drivers installed, by the way. Also, I can see there is a "nvidiafb" driver that can be loaded with modprobe. Is this normal? Shouldn't it be just "nvidia"?
[12:41] <ianliu80> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7YDKrsJpdZ/
[12:41] <tomreyn> it's normal that "nvidiafb" exists, yes.
[12:43] <ianliu80> tomreyn: I think the kernel module is on the paste because I've loaded it manually with modprobe. But even so it is not working
[12:43] <ianliu80> I've loaded nvidiafb and restarted gdm3 with `systemctl restart gdm3`. No luck :(
[12:44] <tomreyn> https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/149145/en-us states that the 390 driver supports quadro 4000, i agree.
[12:46] <ianliu80> tomreyn: I will try reinstalling ubuntu from a desktop live usb. This ubuntu was installed from a Server edition
[12:46] <ianliu80> thanks!
[12:46] <tomreyn> sorry i can't help more, i'm not very well versed with those drivers.
[12:47] <ianliu80> no problem
[12:48] <skyliner369> So, currently, I'm trying to get my GPU driver to work again. I'm having to hang onto my laptop and make sure it doesn't take off and fly away. it's radeon MOBILE graphics so MAD doesn't have a driver for me... and dell... well, you know dell. The xorg amdgpu driver seems to be installed fine but also be utterly broken. Currently running with nomodeset.
[12:52] <skyliner369> symptoms when running without nomodeset is a frozen black screen with a cursor in the corner that won't move. ctrl-f2 (or ctrl-alt-f2 or whichever.) won't run in terminal (server-esque) mode like normal. Total lockup.
[12:57] <skyliner369> would anyone be able to help me with my driver issues?
[13:05] <tomreyn> skyliner369: your ubuntu version is?
[13:05] <tomreyn> skyliner369: also hi ;)
[13:05] <skyliner369> Oh, 18.04
[13:06] <tomreyn> skyliner369: please run and post the output of:  lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:06] <skyliner369> 18.04.01 specifically and sure thing.
[13:06] <tomreyn> please install all the pending updates then
[13:07] <skyliner369> Oh I've updated completely. even ran apt update then apt upgrade to cover all my bases.
[13:07] <tomreyn> then you woudn't be on 18.04.1 though
[13:08] <Cheery> when I disable lock screen, it still gives me this kind of weird preview screen when I'd just want the desktop to pop up
[13:08] <skyliner369> oh right. I'm on .3 then
[13:08] <Cheery> what's the name of that thing? just asking because I want to get rid of it.
[13:09] <akemhp> Cheery, lock screen curtain i think.
[13:09] <skyliner369> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:15d0]
[13:09] <skyliner369> 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0812]
[13:09] <skyliner369> 00:00.2 IOMMU [0806]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:15d1]
[13:09] <skyliner369> 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0812]
[13:09] <skyliner369> 00:01.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1452]
[13:09] <skyliner369> 00:01.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:15d3]
[13:09] <skyliner369> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[13:10] <tomreyn> !paste | skyliner369
[13:10] <tomreyn> repost to the pastebin if you wanted to share this with us, since we didn't receive all of it.
[13:11] <skyliner369> let's try that again. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RTxxtmVZjc/
[13:12] <tomreyn> Cheery: as far as i'm aware there is currrently no way to remove it (other than rewriting the software). you can just hit escape whenever it shows up, though
[13:12] <skyliner369> I totally forgot that IRCcloud is flakey with multi-line messages... or IRC itself.
[13:12] <Cheery> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1053021/how-do-i-disable-the-swipe-to-unlock-curtain
[13:13] <Cheery> oh theres' comment somebody didn't get it to work
[13:13] <Cheery> it's been annoying people for a while and now guys have somehow managed to make it stay. that's dedication
[13:14] <rishav> Hi!
[13:14] <skyliner369> I'd be okay running with nomodeset but Blender runs like maya without a GPU.
[13:15] <tomreyn> skyliner369: nomodeset is definitely wrong other than for recovery. which kernel are you on?
[13:16] <skyliner369> my GNOME version is 3.28.2
[13:16] <Cheery> tomreyn: thanks for the esc tip.
[13:17] <skyliner369> @Cheery spacebar and enter should work too if I'm not mistaken.
[13:17] <skyliner369> @tomreyn I forget the command that prints the kernel ver
[13:17] <tomreyn> skyliner369: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[13:19] <skyliner369> ...huh?
[13:20] <Cheery> it seems like a trick
[13:20] <Cheery> it's safe to run
[13:21] <Cheery> gives you this kind of link you can paste here: https://termbin.com/5ur4
[13:21] <leftyfb> skyliner369: it gives us information about your machine, like the CPU and desktop environment
[13:22] <leftyfb> Cheery: can we help you with something?
[13:22] <skyliner369> @tomreyn https://termbin.com/mn0q
[13:23] <Cheery> leftyfb: came to ask about that screen lock curtain, but if it can't be removed for now, I'm ok I guess.
[13:23] <tomreyn> !ltse | skyliner369
[13:24] <tomreyn> skyliner369: try upgrading your kernel as discussed there, this should make your graphics chipset work better.
[13:25] <tomreyn> (and upgrade X, too, i.e. just follow those instructions)
[13:25] <skyliner369> hopefully. I mean locking up before the login screen is pretty bad.
[13:26] <tomreyn> it's newer hardware than the original ubuntu kernel released in april 2018 supported
[13:26] <tomreyn> if you installed just recently (with a current installer image) you'd have had the LTSE kernel and X form the very start
[13:26] <skyliner369> worked fine for a bit. gave up when I sent my laptop up to get repaired. storage is fine. kept out of shipping.
[13:28] <skyliner369> I ah... slept on my laptop. XD
[13:28] <tomreyn> if you prefer to keep working with the gerneral availability kernel (4.15) you can try booting with !kernelparm amdgpu.dc=0
[13:28] <skyliner369> Nah I'd need a newer kernal sooner or later.
[13:29] <skyliner369> Just surprised USC didn't detect or push updates for it.
[13:30] <skyliner369> https://termbin.com/c69i is the new printout after running the command
[13:33] <tomreyn> you haven't rebooted, yet
[13:34] <tomreyn> upgrading the kernel is one of the few things that's actually neeed for.
[13:34] <tomreyn> *needed
[13:34] <skyliner369> ah thanks. Well, here goes nothing. Going dark.
[13:37] <Rug> Howdy all.  I'm running 18.04LTS on a server and I can't get it to stop using DHCP.  I've configured netplan for a static IP, and I've edited /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-disable-network-config.cfg to disable the cloud-init but DHCP keeps getting picked up too, so my box has 2 IPs.
[13:38] <tomreyn> Rug: /join #ubuntu-server
[13:39] <Rug> tomreyn: ok thanks.
[13:39] <skyliner369> and back. No-go. still hard locks.
[13:40] <tomreyn> skyliner369: i have only 10 minutes left for now, but if you'll share a system log i can have a look.   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:41] <skyliner369> https://termbin.com/68kk
[13:41] <Guest_13> Wassup, someone able to help me enable DRI3 or right install a driver for the amd RX570 on 18.04?
[13:43] <skyliner369> also, tom, the kernel update was a success so... at least I got that done. Haha
[13:43] <tomreyn> Guest_13: the default driver (amdgpu) should just work. if it doesn't, make sure you're running the LTSE kernel and X:
[13:43] <tomreyn> !ltse | Guest_13
[13:44] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | Guest_13: you can also try booting with amdgpu.dc=0
[13:44] <skyliner369> is there anything like apt autorepair, tomreyn?
[13:44] <Guest_13> thanks, give me some moments to figure it out rightly pretty new to it
[13:45] <tomreyn> skyliner369: yes, under the hood. and there is    sudo apt -f install
[13:45] <tomreyn> i'll be checking your log now, skyliner369, this will take time
[13:45] <skyliner369> Thanks for being so helpful, tomreyn
[13:46] <tomreyn> skyliner369: actually it doesn't take time. remove nomodeset, reboot, if propblem persists, post another log
[13:46] <skyliner369> I can't post a log of booting without nomodeset. Lockup prevents such action.
[13:47] <tomreyn> !sysrq| skyliner369: then make it lock up once, try to recover using ctrl-alt-delete and
[13:47] <tomreyn> skyliner369: either way, you'll reboot that way. after reboot, post   journalctl -b -1  nc termbin.com 9999    which will then post your last but one log.
[13:48] <tomreyn> (i.e. that of the failed boot)
[13:53] <skyliner369> no response to ctrl+alt+del
[13:53] <skyliner369> https://termbin.com/fr20
[13:53] <ppettina_> Hi guys! Whom can I ask about the status of the packages in the ubuntu-toolchain-r PPA? or is there another channel?
[13:54] <skyliner369> though reisub did give me a clean reboot. Just remember it as "ray sub"
[13:55] <tomreyn> skyliner369: you still booted with "nomodeset" on the log you just posted
[13:56] <skyliner369> thought maybe it would log previous boots.
[13:56] <tomreyn> skyliner369: it could be that no log was recorded for that boot if it failed really early. when does your system fail when booting without nomodeset?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> ppettina_: for ppa's contact their maintainer
[13:57] <ppettina_> lotuspsychje: I assume it's doko for this one then...
[13:58] <skyliner369> the mouse pops up and sometimes it moves a moment and other times it just is frozen while it's still in the corner. so before even the login screen. also it never has ubuntu loading dots on bootup.
[13:58] <skyliner369> but the no loading dots was normal behavior
[13:59] <immu> ==]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[13:59] <skyliner369> my computer boots with a gumstick.
[13:59] <immu> ooops
[14:00] <immu> skyliner369, are you using nvida gpu? or are you on 19.10?
[14:01] <skyliner369> AMD GPU and on 18.04.3 LTS
[14:01] <skyliner369> it's a mobile radeon gpu so AMD doesn't have a driverfor it because Dell is supposed to do the drivers but dell is... well, dell.
[14:02] <skyliner369> Here's my CPU/GPU AMD® Ryzen 5 2500u with radeon vega mobile gfx × 8
[14:03] <tomreyn> skyliner369: try amdgpu.dc=0 then
[14:03] <tomreyn> without nomodeset
[14:04] <skyliner369> in the spot where I write nomodeset?
[14:06] <skyliner369> I mean in the boot...script? when pressing e in grub
[14:06] <tomreyn> yes
[14:07] <skyliner369> which line? or is it on the end of the linux line?
[14:07] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | skyliner369: here's the documentation again
[14:11] <skyliner369> I made it to login but failed when punching in my password.
[14:11] <tomreyn> skyliner369: so you have a better log we can look at now.
[14:11] <skyliner369> I hope so.
[14:11] <tomreyn> but i'm about to leave, someone else will need to
[14:11] <skyliner369> https://termbin.com/esjk
[14:12] <tomreyn> that's still nomodeset
[14:12] <tomreyn> not amdgpu.dc=0
[14:12] <tomreyn> use: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:13] <tomreyn> ... for the current boot's log
[14:13] <tomreyn> -1 for the previous
[14:13] <skyliner369> amdgpu.dc=0 failed at enter on login. Typical lockup of laptop trying to take off.
[14:14] <skyliner369> with* not of
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> skyliner369: are you using stock amdgpu or a ppa?
[14:14] <skyliner369> stock.
[14:15] <skyliner369> AMD's PPAs won't work because of some laptop manufacturer BS amd talks about.
[14:15] <tomreyn> skyliner369: i understand that the system locked up there. i also think that if the system reached the login prompt then something must certainly have been logged in your systemd journal for this failed boot. i was trying to help you post the log for this failed boot.
[14:16] <tomreyn> journalctl --list-boots    lists the previous boots, and in the first column, the counter you need to place at 'COUNTER' in this command to post this log:   journalctl -b COUNTER | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:17] <skyliner369> my terminal is so full of ^C ^V derps lol
[14:17] <tomreyn> ok, ttyl
[14:19] <skyliner369> this is one potential. https://termbin.com/zcsz
[14:20] <skyliner369> Aha this is amdgpu.dc=0 https://termbin.com/bk1r
[14:24] <skyliner369> Here's a locking up boot https://termbin.com/t414
[14:27] <ioria> skyliner369, what's your video card ?
[14:28] <skyliner369> Built in. AMD® Ryzen 5 2500u with radeon vega mobile gfx × 8
[14:28] <puxavida> I have a test box and I wanted to upgrade 19.04 to 19.10, but the install update-manager-core does nothing so do-release-upgrade doesn't find anyting and this is: For any new version selected in update manager.  I'm using xubuntu.  The release notes says that xubuntu 19.10 is available also and I see the iso.  Any ideas on how to get this going?
[14:28] <ioria> skyliner369, have you tied to install amdgpu-pro  ?
[14:28] <skyliner369> what's the package name?
[14:29] <ioria> puxavida, you need -d flag, but it's not recommanded
[14:29] <puxavida> ioria, would work for test test box, correct? ;)
[14:29] <ioria> sure
[14:30] <ioria> skyliner369, Sep 27 09:51:17 skyliner-369-Inspiron-5575 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1619]: (**) ModulePath set to "/opt/amdgpu-pro/lib/xorg/modules,/opt/amdgpu/lib/xorg/modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[14:30] <puxavida> thanks
[14:31] <ioria> skyliner369, can you paste lspci -nnk ?
[14:31] <skyliner369> !paste
[14:31] <ioria> skyliner369, lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:32] <skyliner369> https://termbin.com/7xw1
[14:33] <ioria> skyliner369, sudo updatedb && locate amdgpu-pro
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: its reccomended to wait till final release for upgrading to devel releases
[14:33] <skyliner369> my terminal is 'thinking' now
[14:33] <ioria> it's updating
[14:34] <skyliner369> and done. No text then all the text lol
[14:35] <puxavida> lotuspsychje, ok thanks
[14:35] <ioria> skyliner369,  did it ever worked , as fresh install i mean ?
[14:36] <wonko> How does transmission-daemon announce its IP address? I've got an ubuntu box with 2 interfaces. I need transmission-daemon to announce the one that isn't the default route.
[14:36] <skyliner369> I'll have to reboot. I think. Maybe the GPU won't freak out this time.
[14:36] <skyliner369> also is failing to load dev fb0 a bad thing?
[14:39] <ioria> skyliner369,  did it work  as fresh install  ?
[14:40] <skyliner369> amdgpu fresh install? I'll have to reboot.
[14:40] <immu> did you try googling?
[14:41] <immu> or look at ubuntu forums?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> immu: we dont advice google here
[14:41] <immu> can we advise ubuntu forums?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> immu: this is the ubuntu support channel, so we try to give realtime advice as much possible here
[14:42] <immu> but he has hit a dead end
[14:42] <skyliner369> No cursor now as my laptop boots. And it's try to take off.
[14:42] <ioria> skyliner369,  i mean; after the install, were you able to login or not ?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> immu: no reason to send him into the empty field
[14:43] <immu> okie lotuspsychje
[14:43] <skyliner369> no go. now it doesn't have a mouse https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DBnuznMN/DSC_0001.JPG
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> skyliner369: did your graphics work before?
[14:44] <ioria> skyliner369,  can you please read above ^
[14:45] <immu> skyliner369, can you post your gpu output ?
[14:46] <ioria> immu, https://termbin.com/7xw1
[14:46] <skyliner369> Yeah. They worked before I sent my laptop in to Dell for a bent laptop. I took out the storage. Was still perfectly fine. Heck it was even working. Just the optical drive went flakey.
[14:47] <ioria> i'am out
[14:47] <skyliner369> Oh... Nevermind. Looks like I have a bus error now. Cool
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> skyliner369: test a liveusb, see if your graphics work there
[14:49] <skyliner369> I'll... Write one.
[14:50] <immu> how old is your laptop and which model?
[14:50] <skyliner369> Okay unable to... I think amdgpu-pro made it worse
[14:50] <skyliner369> And it's not too old. An inspiron 5575
[14:50] <skyliner369> With an amd cpu
[14:52] <immu> which cpu? amd ryzen ?
[14:52] <skyliner369> termbin.com/y0xr
[14:52] <skyliner369> And yeah ryzen
[14:53] <skyliner369> I can ctrl alt f3 currently but no GUI right now. I'm probably going to end up having to scorch some earth soon maybe
[14:54] <skyliner369> The shame is I can't flapping dump anything to an external drive because... I can't afford one.
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> skyliner369: please dont use this channel to describe every step you do, focus on actual ubuntu support questions
[14:58] <tomreyn> skyliner369: did you install amdgpu-pro before we started to debug this one just during the past few minutes?
[14:58] <skyliner369> I was asked to try
[14:58] <skyliner369> So I tried
[14:59] <tomreyn> skyliner369: i don't see anyone asking you to try it.
[15:00] <tomreyn> skyliner369: ioria asked whether you had it installed, since it was spotted on your logs.
[15:00] <tomreyn> good find, ioria, i missed it
[15:01] <tomreyn> skyliner369: ok, it's also on your previous / earlier logs. uninstall it and things should be fine without extra module parameters.
[15:01] <puxavida> Interesting.  In 19.10, the chromium package will be managed as a snap.  As time goes on, what other packages will only be available as snaps??
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: 19.10 support in #ubuntu+1 please
[15:02] <skyliner369> Oh purge amdgpu pro? Sure
[15:02] <tomreyn> skyliner369: next time you ask for support here please be sure to point out which related 3rd party software you're using.
[15:02] <mgedmin> puxavida: that's already the case for some things (lxd, kubectl, rgrep)
[15:02] <mgedmin> ooh ooh canonical-livepatch
[15:03] <puxavida> mgedmin, hmm, ok, didn't realize that.
[15:03] <skyliner369> Oh it was installed when ioria asked if I installed it due to me being terrible at the words thing
[15:04] <tomreyn> skyliner369: it was installed when you posted the first system journal: https://termbin.com/68kk
[15:04] <puxavida> lotuspsychje, ok, just thinking out loud...
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: discussions are okay, in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[15:06] <skyliner369> Oh this might be something... termbin.com/78wt
[15:06] <tomreyn> see what you posted
[15:06] <skyliner369> Oh... Cool it didn't say it couldn't find any amdgpu packages... "Yay"
[15:07] <tomreyn> you probably meant to redirect stderr to stdout, too
[15:08] <tomreyn> add    2>&1    before " | nc termbin.com 9999"
[15:09] <skyliner369> I wanted to purge "*amdgpu*" to purge all amdgpu packages
[15:09] <puxavida> lotuspsychje, ok
[15:10] <tomreyn> skyliner369: you shouldn't, you need this driver, just not the -pro overlay
[15:10] <tomreyn> skyliner369: you can also try to make -pro work, but then you need to get support directly from amd, it's not supported here
[15:10] <Randolf> Something I love about Linux is that it doesn't bombard me with advertising or automatically re-install applications after I uninstall them.  It's so wonderful to have control over my computer.  Thanks to everyone who makes Linux a reality.
[15:11] <skyliner369> I never did pro until what's their name asked about it. I thought I was being asked to try it
[15:14] <skyliner369> I purged amdgpu completely and reinstalled amdgpu... Now I just am told to log in repeatedly. Never see desktop
[15:14] <tomreyn> skyliner369: i do not mean to blame you there, but as pointed out previously, amdgpu-pro was installed ony our system from the very start. it is most likely what caused your issues in the first place.
[15:15] <tomreyn> skyliner369: maybe your ubuntu had it preinstalled by dell when you bought it.
[15:15] <skyliner369> I might have directly installed from like xorg so I never saw "amdgpu-pro"
[15:16] <skyliner369> Nah I got this comp with win10pro
[15:16] <skyliner369> termbin.com/l19q
[15:17] <skyliner369> Running in server mode
[15:17] <skyliner369> Since desktop is unavailable
[15:17] <tomreyn> quoting what you just posted: 'ModulePath set to "/opt/amdgpu-pro/lib/xorg/modules,/opt/amdgpu/lib/xorg/modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"'
[15:17] <tomreyn> "Loading /opt/amdgpu-pro/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so"
[15:20] <skyliner369> Oh so... Huh... I purge pro and still have pro? "cool"
[15:21] <ioria> you don't purge it, you uninstall it (with its script), and btw, it wont work at all on 19.04
[15:22] <skyliner369> I'm on lts
[15:22] <skyliner369> How do I run the uninstall?
[15:22] <tomreyn> skyliner369: we neither support its installation nor it uninstallation here, talk to amd
[15:23] <skyliner369> Amd says talk to Dell. Dell says talk to amd. Because I'm not on 14.04
[15:24] <skyliner369> Dell only supports Ubuntu 16.04
[15:25] <tomreyn> i bet amd provides instructions on how to uninstall their software.
[15:25] <tomreyn> have you tried to find those?
[15:27] <skyliner369> I have. I get unhelpful unrelated installation guides
[15:28] <tomreyn> so you did run the uninstall script which is pointed out on the first google web search result which comes up on a search for "amdgpu-pro uninstall"?
[15:29] <skyliner369> Command not found.
[15:30] <tomreyn> if reinstalling is easier than cleaning this up, that's another option. ubuntu doesn't install amdgpu-pro on new installations.
[15:34] <hans_> this page has been loading for over 60 seconds now, i'm guessing that's not normal? https://i.imgur.com/QcyRzXy.png
[15:35] <hans_> think i should cancel the pageload and try to login again or just wait a bit longer?
[15:37] <tomreyn> hans_: this is rather a topic for #canonical-sysadmin (after checking the channel /topic there)
[15:38] <hans_> ok, thanks (btw got a "proxy error" page now)
[15:39] <skyliner369> Is the IOMMU perf counter important?
[15:39] <skyliner369> Booting from dvd
[15:43] <hans_> the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto is "immutable", why? it also has a tag that says "Needs expansion - this article is incomplete and needs to be expanded"
[15:43] <hans_> tomreyn, is that also something for #canonical-sysadmin ?
[15:44] <tomreyn> hans_: try #ubuntu-doc
[15:44] <oer> or maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html
[15:44] <skyliner369> New development: booting from DVD failed.
[15:45] <hans_> oer, nah i wanted to edit the page
[15:45] <oer> time to reset google search results..
[15:46] <skyliner369> Which means dell fixed the bend but checked nothing else
[15:53] <hans_> seems to be a slight bug with the postfix installation: if you run `apt install postfix` while /etc/aliases does not exist, you will get: /etc/aliases does not exist, creating it. \n WARNING: /etc/aliases exists, but does not have a root alias.
[15:55] <tomreyn> hans_: so that's effectively pointing out that you should set a root alias to it. not an issue IMO.
[16:00] <hans_> when running `apt install mariadb-server; apt install mysql-client;`, the mysql-client installation wants to UNINSTALL mariadb-server .. is that intended? > The following packages will be REMOVED: mariadb-client-10.1 mariadb-client-core-10.1 mariadb-server mariadb-server-10.1
[16:01] <hans_> don't see why installing a CLIENT warrants uninstalling a SERVER
[16:04] <Question> Favorite FTP clients?
[16:04] <hans_> Question, GUI or cli?
[16:04] <Question> GUI
[16:04] <hans_> Question, for GUI, FileZizlla. for cli.... curl
[16:05] <Question> Oof. I wasn't a fan of filezila
[16:06] <hans_> because of the client itself? or because of the ads they bundle in the windows installer? or that they are withholding features for the pro version?
[16:06] <Question> Well like, WinSCP auto uploaded files after you saved a file.
[16:07] <glitchd> EriC^^, hey bud
[16:07] <hans_> FZ asks you first if you are in single file edit mode, "this file is edited, do you want to save?", but i thought you could just press "don't ask again" ?
[16:09] <immu> hi eric
[16:10] <EriC^^> hey glitchd
[16:10] <EriC^^> hi immu
[16:10] <immu> why can't i tag you EriC^^
[16:10] <mgedmin> hans_: no idea, some apt conflict?  why are you installing mysql client when you already have mariadb-client-10.1?
[16:10] <glitchd> EriC^^, im back with the same problem but with a different machine..
[16:11] <glitchd> EriC^^, but, i got it to display and boot windows from grub, however its not displaying a listing for linux.
[16:11] <immu> EriC^^, i am on 19.10 beta 1 :)
[16:11] <tomreyn> hans_: about the mariadb vs mysql community edition question: i think those packages are not coinstallable, probably due to the server packages depending on the client packages, and due to lib incompatibility.
[16:11] <hans_> mgedmin, following some tutorial using mysql but i wanted to use mariadb instead but the tutorial said `install mysql-client` so i did. didn't know that mariadb-client's binary is literally named `mysql` tho
[16:11] <glitchd> EriC^^, right now im on a different computer than the one im referring to, but the computer with the issue is booted to a live usb right now.
[16:19] <glitchd> EriC^^, do you think you could give me a hand setting grub up again for dual boot between w10 and linux?
[16:22] <oer> there is a grub manual, howto reinstall after windows..
[16:22] <oer> !grub
[16:22] <oer> 'restore grub'
[16:28] <glitchd> EriC^^, are ya busy?
[16:31] <immu> looks to be away from keyboard
[16:31] <p0a> hello does ubuntu have the openai/gpt-2 package?
[16:34] <tomreyn> p0a: https://packages.ubuntu.com provide a package search.
[16:41] <amosbird> hi, which package should I install to get krb5-config
[16:41] <tomreyn> amosbird: that's the name of a package.
[16:42] <amosbird> yeah, I'd like to find the binary
[16:42] <EriC^^> glitchd: can't right now sorry
[16:42] <amosbird> after installing it, I don't find that binaray
[16:42] <glitchd> EriC^^, no worries, thx anyways
[16:43] <tomreyn> amosbird: libkrb5-dev provides /usr/bin/krb5-config
[16:43] <tomreyn> (also heimdal-dev, but i assume that's not what you want)
[16:45] <zamba> does anyone know how to limit the number of concurrent ssh sessions towards an sshd?
[16:46] <zamba> i have tried to do this in /etc/security/limits.conf
[16:46] <zamba> but it doesn't take
[16:46] <zamba> i have restarted sshd after making the change
[16:47] <tomreyn> amosbird: you could also have used     apt-file find 'bin/krb5-config'    or (if you're into regular expressions)     apt-file find -x 'bin/krb5-config$'     to determine this.
[16:48] <tomreyn> zamba: you'd need to logout and login after editing /etc/security/limits.conf
[16:48] <zamba> tomreyn: the user?
[16:48] <tomreyn> oh wait, restarting sshd should probably have worked, sorry.
[16:49] <zamba> i have set maxlogins to 4 for a particular user, but yet when i do 'ps uaxw | grep sshd | grep ^<username>, i see 11 connections
[16:50] <zamba> and this is clogging down my server
[16:50] <amosbird> thanks
[16:50] <amosbird> tomreyn: ^
[16:50] <tomreyn> yw
[16:53] <pikapika> Where do I submit bug reports about "dead on arrival" software in the apt repositories?
[16:53] <tomreyn> !bug | pikapika
[16:53] <pikapika> Hmm
[16:54] <pikapika> It's not an Ubuntu bug, rather a package whose older version supplied in the repos no longer functions and it is required for whoever maintains the repos to update this software. Let me read that article.
[16:56] <tomreyn> zamba: there is      MaxSessions     for configuring conneciton multiplexing in sshd_config
[16:59] <tomreyn> zamba: MaxStartups may also be relevant. other than that you have the ipt_connetrack module in iptables.
[17:01] <tomreyn> *ip_conntrack, but i really meant iplimit
[17:06] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi i am trying to install Kodi on the Ubuntu 17.04 32 bit but apt-update returns 0% from all the sources
[17:08] <tomreyn> !17.04 | aleksandrdvorkin
[17:19] <hans_> when Shuttleworth said that 18.04 will get a 10 year support cycle, did he mean for Canonical customers, or for everybody?
[17:21] <hans_> ah, just Canonical customers apparently x.x
[17:22] <nate> Hm, still can't get airplane mode unstuck.  I've tried updating the ucode file to the latest under the kernel firmware list, tried to force it with rfkill, tried nmcli trickery, tried some setkeycode trickery (to which interestingly showkey is not even registering the key presses)
[17:37] <Guest_13> Hello all, i try allready since hours to install amdgpu i did download it idk how many times using several instructions i dont get the point (ubuntu 18.04) also iam pretty new to ubuntu if someone have an idea that is not to hard to understand i listen x)
[17:46] <ioria> Guest_13, do you know that external drivers are not supported here ? what's the tar you dwl and what is your release ?
[17:47] <hans_> Guest_13, uhm gpu?
[17:47] <hans_> ioria, he said 18.04
[17:47] <hans_> Guest_13, what GPU do you have?
[17:47] <ioria> hans_, 18.04.1 , 2, 3 ?
[17:48] <ioria> it makes a difference
[17:48] <Guest_13> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS got a amd RX570
[17:48] <hans_> kernel broke something again?
[17:48] <ioria> Guest_13,  the tar.zx filename ?
[17:49] <hans_> Guest_13, wget https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/linux/amdgpu-pro-19.30-855429-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[17:49] <Guest_13> amdgpu-pro-19.30-855429-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[17:49] <hans_> and.. tar xf amdgpu-pro-19.30-855429-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[17:49] <ioria> Guest_13,  your kernel ?   uname -r
[17:50] <adamretter> I am trying to install 19.04 on my Macbook Pro 2019. After sucesfully booting the live USB neither the track-pad or keyboard seem to be operational. Any one know how to fix this?
[17:50] <Guest_13> 5.0.0-29-generic its it?
[17:50] <ioria> Guest_13,  ok, what happens when you run the script ?
[17:50] <hans_> ouc never tried installing it on a 5.x kernel before
[17:51] <hans_> Guest_13, have you tried running sudo ./amdgpu-install   ?
[17:52] <Guest_13> well i did try allready many ways how to install it from terminal or giu mostly it just not find it
[17:52] <Guest_13> yes everything maybe iam just missing some point
[17:52] <hans_> ls
[17:52] <hans_> ls | pastebinit
[17:52] <ioria> Guest_13,  did you make it exacutable ?
[17:52] <hans_> (surprised if tar didn't)
[17:54] <Guest_13> well i did download it i did extract it i did try to open the install files on different ways if you mean such?
[17:55] <hans_> Guest_13, run `ls | pastebinit` what do you get?
[17:55] <amosbird> Hmm, what's gutsy?
[17:55] <amosbird> I see a              sudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/${DIST}
[17:59] <rfm> amosbird, gutsy gibbon was ubuntu 7.10.
[18:04] <ioria> Guest_13,  did you run this cmd   './amdgpu-pro-install –y'     from its folder  ?
[18:07] <glitchd> can anyone lend a hand in fixing grub so that it lists both my linux install and my windows 10 install, it currently shows and boots windows 10 from grub, but it does not show my ubuntu install at all.
[18:09] <erle-> I installed Ubuntu server with SSH, but I cannot connect to it
[18:09] <erle-> SSH to localhost works
[18:09] <noboru55> hello
[18:09] <erle-> ufw (what a silly thing) is disabled
[18:09] <erle-> any ideas?
[18:09] <noboru55> someone could try to help me ?
[18:09] <rishav> glitchd,
[18:09] <rishav> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[18:09] <rishav> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[18:09] <rishav> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[18:09] <rishav> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
[18:09] <rishav> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[18:10] <Guest_13> yes it just says it doesnt find it
[18:11] <noboru55> may i just write my doubt? sorry, first time here
[18:11] <Guest_13> sorry i just take pretty long still
[18:11] <rishav> noboru55, yes
[18:11] <noboru55> thanks, so lets go
[18:12] <noboru55> i have an old pc i guess, its a dual celeron 1.6 and 4gb ram ddr3,  i want to install the x64 ubuntu mate 19.04 but i am not sure my hardware will work good. and i was wondering about install it in a pendrive and not in hard disk...
[18:12] <noboru55> is it a good idea?
[18:13] <ioria> Guest_13,  paste here the output of this :  ls -l  amdgpu-pro-install
[18:14] <Guest_13> not possible to find the dictionary ( i translate cause its not in english)
[18:14] <ioria> noboru55, dual core with 4g should work fine (on a pen drive will be very slow, not a good idea)
[18:14] <jadax> what is the default gcc version on Ubuntu 18.04? Is it 7.4?
[18:15] <noboru55> ioria really? i just asked because live usb is fast...
[18:15] <lordcirth> !info gcc
[18:16] <noboru55> ioria i was worried because the ubuntu site says the requiriment is dual core 2.0 or plus
[18:17] <noboru55> anyway, i think you are right, other day i tried win in usb, that was impossible to run
[18:18] <ioria> noboru55, 1.2 Ghz  : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[18:18] <ioria> not 2
[18:18] <glitchd> EriC^^, hey bud, do you have any time to help me out?
[18:18] <noboru55> mmmm.. maybe because i saw that in ubuntu mate website  for x64 version
[18:19] <noboru55> ioria does the x64 lightweight than 32 ?
[18:19] <noboru55> sorry i am so newbie
[18:19] <ioria> noboru55, nope
[18:20] <noboru55> right
[18:20] <noboru55> i almost downloaded the raspberry version lol
[18:20] <ioria> Guest_13,  please, cd in the download directory and run this cmd :   ls -al  | nc termbin.com 9999    ; yoou'll get an url and paste it here
[18:21] <noboru55> ioria if possible, just take a look https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[18:21] <noboru55> and sorry my english
[18:21] <ioria> noboru55, and what's your question about that page ?
[18:22] <Guest_13> https://termbin.com/fn9j
[18:22] <noboru55> ioria the x64 needs more ram than 32
[18:23] <lordcirth> noboru55, 64bit binaries use slightly more RAM than 32.
[18:23] <noboru55> ioria thank you for your time, now i know i can install x64 and its better todo in harddisk...
[18:23] <lordcirth> Not much, though.
[18:23] <ioria> Guest_13,  cd  amdgpu-pro-19.30-855429-ubuntu-18.04    and ls -al | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:23] <ioria> noboru55, ok
[18:23] <noboru55> lordcirth great! thank you !
[18:24] <noboru55> excuse me all, i am going to install my ubuntu... see ya
[18:24] <Guest_13> cd  amdgpu-pro-19.30-855429-ubuntu-18.04 <- if i just to this in the blank terminal it cannot find it
[18:25] <jadax> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 with default gcc v 5.4; I just installed 7.4 from ppa:ubuntu-toochain-r/test
[18:25] <jadax> how do I updated it systemwide now?
[18:26] <jadax> I saw few stackoverflow posts going through multiple, separate configs to make it happen; is there maybe some streamlined process for that ?
[18:26] <ioria> Guest_13,  ls  amdgpu-pro-19.30-855429-ubuntu-18.04   | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:28] <lordcirth> jadax, could it be easier to upgrade to 18.04?
[18:28] <jadax> as a matter of fact it could
[18:28] <jadax> but I want to switch gcc also for learning experience
[18:28] <jadax> before I update
[18:29] <palo-alto> hello anyone there
[18:29] <saor> nope
[18:29] <thebricked> over here i am here
[18:29] <thebricked> sad
[18:30] <palo-alto> any one how to send file on irc
[18:31] <saor> dcc
[18:32] <akemhp> Use google drive or something else it will be a lot easier.
[18:33] <Guest_13> i think i did it x) i did just drag the file into the terminal and press enter now its installing
[18:39] <Gallomimia> every day. something different is wrong with my boot up. every single day.
[18:40] <gambl0re> anyone know how to import specific css styles using semantic-ui-react?
[18:41] <lloydxmas> not sure it's possible to import a specific css style (class)
[18:54] <psilly0> Hello, I am SSHing to a server and issuing commands in a script. However once i SSH into its a noninerative shell and i loose my $PATH, $HOME, $GEM_HOME etc. How can i make sure that it keeps my orginal paths from my interactive shell???
[18:57] <Guest_13> well it did disconnect me directly after installation but everything works now smoothly thanks ioria
[18:57] <ioria> Guest_13, good job
[18:59] <lordcirth> Gallomimia, do you need help with it?
[19:06] <wonko> trying to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10 and it got stuck. Killed it and trying to get it going again it looks like this is what got it stuck maybe:
[19:06] <wonko> wonko@deepthought:~/.config $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:06] <wonko> Setting up grub-pc (2.04-1ubuntu6) ...
[19:07] <amosbird> Hi, where can I get debuild?
[19:08] <znull> anyone know how could i debug this ? https://tinyurl.com/y5kzkqko
[19:08] <znull>  this mouse works on windows but not on linux  https://pastebin.com/raw/DNGCqi8p
[19:08] <ioria> amosbird,  devscripts
[19:09] <amosbird> thanks
[19:09] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | wonko: ubuntu 19.10 is unreleased, so upgrades are not supported, yet
[19:10] <wonko> thanks
[19:14] <tomreyn> psilly0: maybe ssh -t or -T, see also the ENVIRONMENT section in ssh(1)
[19:20] <hans_> popey, you here?
[19:21] <hans_> is there a seen bot present?
[19:26] <lordcirth> hans_, he's not in my scrollback (3 days)
[19:27] <hans_> thanks for checking
[19:27] <psilly0> tomreyn: thanks!
[19:27] <tomreyn> yw
[19:32] <naribia> any recommendations for a new laptop that works well with ubuntu ?
[19:34] <saor> Do you need graphics support?
[19:34] <psilly0> naribia:
[19:34] <psilly0> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/alienware-17-area51m-laptop/wnser7cr5102h?mkwid=sbpphyI6C&pcrid=329217671224&pdv=c&product=WNSER7CR5102H&pgrid=67585100793&ptaid=pla-792239804283&VEN1=sbpphyI6C~329217671224~901pdb6671~c~~WNSER7CR5102H~67585100793~pla-792239804283&cid=312465122&lid=59673390895&dgc=st&dgseg=dhs&acd=1230923830920560&cid=312465122&st=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIprnRwd_x5AIVjdlkCh04_woWEAQYASABEgJcKvD_BwE&lid=59673390895&pt
[19:34] <psilly0> pla-792239804283&VEN1=sbpphyI6C%7E329217671224%7E901pdb6671%7Ec%7E%7EWNSER7CR5102H%7E67585100793%7Epla-792239804283&pgrid=67585100793&dgc=st&dgseg=dhs&acd=1230923830920560&VEN3=111005121111350976
[19:34] <saor> ew
[19:35] <saor> I mean if you hate money, sure.
[19:35] <psilly0> saor: HAHAHAHAHA
[19:36] <ioria>  RTX is too new
[19:38] <TheFatherMind> Question: I wish to set a hot key to Shift-Super-Down to go to the next desktop. But I do not want to remove the one that is already there. How can I add another hotkey for that without changing the existing one?
[19:39] <TheFatherMind> This is in gdm
[19:42] <doug16k> with a url like that (dell), I can only imagine what a trainwreck their backend code must be
[19:43] <TheFatherMind> In general the Dell company is a trainwreck.  I had to stop buying from them.  I only use them for production servers now.
[19:45] <JimBuntu> Well, I think you could stop at https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/alienware-17-area51m-laptop
[19:51] <znull> anyone knows what is MTP device ? https://pastebin.com/raw/LYsWf3iD
[19:52] <leftyfb> znull: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol  first result on google for "mtp device"
[20:25] <RougeR> hi
[20:25] <RougeR> soo
[20:25] <RougeR> trying to install ubuntu on a new build
[20:25] <RougeR> cant get beyond the purple boot screeen
[20:25] <RougeR> pressing escape brings up a lot of failure messages
[20:26] <RougeR> mobo is a msi b450 mortar
[20:30] <simulant> Hi does anyone use KDE and can help. I have asked in Kubuntu channel but it seems pretty quiet in there. I can't login to plasma desktop, the sddm login screen just loops when I put my password in. Any help appreciated
[20:31] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi does anyone know why is Ubuntu16.04 is missing initrd when i try to burn its ISO to flashdrive
[20:32] <aleksandrdvorkin> i checked the md5sum of the ISO i downloaded and its correct but INITRD is missing when burning the ISO to flashdrive
[20:45] <guntbert>  simulant: in most cases this is caused by the fact that   ~/.XAuthority (or a similar file)  belongs to root - often because some GUI program has been run via   sudo
[20:46] <tomreyn> RougeR: what's the file name of the ubuntu installer you downloaded?
[20:47] <tomreyn> and while you're at it, get its sha-256 checksum, too
[20:48] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: maybe you're not using a good utility to write the ISO file to the USB.
[20:48] <trilead> I would like to enable the experimental ZFS installer support in ubiquity. From what I gather there is a syslinux parameter I can pass to do that but I can't find any info on what it is.
[20:48] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: usb-creator-gtk usually works
[20:48] <trilead> Anyone know what it is?
[20:48] <tomreyn> trilead: there's no ubuntu released where this is possible, yet
[20:49] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | trilead
[20:49] <trilead> Yeah sorry forgot to say I am using the live image for 19.10
[20:49] <trilead> Ill switch over there, my bad
[20:49] <tomreyn> it should become available in this future release
[20:52] <javashin> how can be fixed chromium to have vaapi ??????????????????????
[20:56] <tomreyn> javashin: see bug 1816497
[20:57] <chris11> ls -la lists username as an owner of a directory. Does the root user have the same permissions as usernam in this directory?
[20:58] <RougeR> tomreyn, its alright
[20:58] <RougeR> pretty sure its an amd randrfault
[20:59] <tomreyn> RougeR: if you'Re installing 19.04 (you did not say), that's possible.
[21:00] <RougeR> i am yeah
[21:00] <RougeR> with  ryzen 3600
[21:00] <RougeR> im going to try 18.04
[21:01] <tomreyn> chris11: yes, unless further restricted using apparmor (or extended ACLs via setfacl, i guess)
[21:02] <chris11> ugh, thanks. I have a teamcity job that isn't creating logs. Not having write access to the dir would have been an easy fix.
[21:03] <tomreyn> RougeR: bug 1835809 lists workarounds IIRC
[21:03] <RougeR> yeah found that just
[21:03] <RougeR> :)
[21:03] <RougeR> but thanks
[21:04] <RougeR> ubuntu 18 booted
[21:13] <chunkypuffs> Hey, anyone around?
[21:13] <ryuo> !ask
[21:13] <chunkypuffs> I mean I see 1141 people here, but don't know if people talk in this wasteland.
[21:14] <chunkypuffs> Great, dunno if this is the right place to ask it though, so please direct me to the correct place:
[21:14] <chunkypuffs> The Ubuntu CLI installer is amazing. The one used for the server package. It uses so many unix tricks to get stuff done faster. Where can I find the source for it?
[21:14] <chunkypuffs> I want to make a similar installer for another distro, and I need a place to start.
[21:15] <ryuo> it's probably the same one debian uses.
[21:15] <chunkypuffs> Uses the pipeline, everything is as asynchronous as it can possibly be.
[21:15] <chunkypuffs> Nah it's way more impressive dude.
[21:15] <chunkypuffs> It has way surpassed the Debian installer, have you tried 19.04's installer?
[21:15] <ryuo> no? i don't use non-LTS releases.
[21:16] <chunkypuffs> It is a completely new and unique thing, and I want to see what it's doing.
[21:16] <chunkypuffs> I can't find its source.
[21:17] <hggdh> chunkypuffs: probably #ubuntu-server will have someone that actually works on it
[21:19] <chunkypuffs> Ah it's called subiquity
[21:19] <ryuo> i wasn't positive of the name, though i knew it started with sub.
[21:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> i tried writing the ubuntu 16.04 with just dd command then i used windows utility and the same thing the Linux initrd is missing
[21:36] <hggdh> aleksandrdvorkin: (1) what, exactly, is "Ubuntu 16.04"? An ISO image? Also, how did you code your dd?
[21:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> the ubuntu 16.04 ISO i tried dd if=/pathtoISo/ of=/dev/sdb1 and it wont boot to Ubuntu installer says initrd is missing or similar message
[21:39] <aleksandrdvorkin> I tired the WinUSB windows istaller with the same ISO and it fails with Linux initrd missing
[21:42] <tomreyn> !checksum | aleksandrdvorkin
[21:46] <aleksandrdvorkin> i verified the md5sum is ok
[21:48] <tomreyn> what is the checksum value or filename?
[21:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> feefb18e7916c9a16bb09923ed98df64 *ubuntu-16.04.6-desktop-i386.iso
[21:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> i compared it with  the downloaded file they match
[21:52] <tomreyn> ok, now use a software which can verify it wrote it to the installer media correctly.
[21:52] <tomreyn> balena etcher for example
[21:53] <tomreyn> the dd attempt earlier won't have worked since you wrote it to a partition, not the raw device
[21:58] <aleksandrdvorkin> how do i install and start balena etcher
[21:59] <aleksandrdvorkin> and do i format the USB flashdrive to FAT32 before using the Balena etcher
[22:01] <aleksandrdvorkin> what the sudo command for installing balena etcher
[22:02] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: it's not in ubuntu, it's a third party software. there are alternatives, too.
[22:04] <tomreyn> aleksandrdvorkin: https://github.com/balena-io/etcher#debian-and-ubuntu-based-package-repository-gnulinux-x86x64
[22:05] <tomreyn> it'S a large download, though, you can do the same with CLI utilities.
[22:07] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75483/how-to-check-if-the-iso-was-written-to-my-usb-stick-without-errors/75513#75513
[22:09] <TheFatherMind> Question: I wish to set a hot key to Shift-Super-Down to go to the next desktop. But I do not want to remove the one that is already there. in gdm how can I add another hotkey for that without changing the existing one? Like edit config files and such.
[22:10] <jrgilman> hey how can I start to diagnose window "tearing," for instance when I move a window and it tears while dragging as if part of the window is refreshing too slowly and seems to follow another part of the window?
[22:13] <aleksandrdvorkin> how do i find the directory where the balena etcher.zip was unzipped to
[22:14] <tomreyn> GNU find lets you search for filenames on one or across multiple file system(s)
[22:14] <tomreyn> another option is locate (after updatedb)
[22:17] <tomreyn> jrgilman: i'm not sure. but if it's an open source driver you could likely make use of https://www.mesa3d.org/envvars.html
[22:18] <tomreyn> also, there may be driver specific module parameters (e.g. "modinfo -p i915" for the intel driver)
[22:19] <jrgilman> hmm okay i'll take a look appreciate it


[14:09] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +314 cases (now 1.6 million), +16 deaths (now 27768), +18097 tests (now 10.1 million) since a day ago


[09:37] <chrome0> I'm seeing "cannot resume transactions: exception: Cannot apply $addToSet modifier to non-array" repeatedly in my machine-0.log. What could be the cause of that? Cf. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23445701/
[14:31] <skay_> I just noticed a snap-layer and want to install a snap as a resource. I've not written a reactive charm before, and I'm not certain when a resource becomes available. what would I pass to the @when decorator?
[14:31] <skay_> '<resource name>.available'
[14:33] <skay_> it's what I'd expect, but just checking
[14:47] <icey> I'm having trouble bootstrapping juju2 with a local apt cache server
[14:49] <lazyPower> icey what appears to be the trouble?
[14:50] <icey> lazyPower: hangs at Installing curl, cpu-checker, bridge-utils, cloud-utils, tmux
[14:51] <lazyPower> is the local apt cache powered by squid? if so, you can check the logs of the squid-deb-proxy
[14:51] <icey> lazyPower: apt-cacher-ng
[14:51] <icey> lazyPower: nothing in its logs either
[14:51] <lazyPower> are you seeing any hits in the log?
[14:51] <lazyPower> yeah, seems like there's potentially a misconfiguration?
[14:52] <icey> lazyPower: listening on : tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3142            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      13949/apt-cacher-ng
[14:52] <admcleod_> icey: presumably you have --debug ?
[14:52] <icey> unless there's something stopping a lxd container from reaching a public interface on my host
[14:53] <jrwren> icey: how are you bootstrapping?
[14:53] <icey> admcleod_: fairly boring, --debug shows nothing after I kill it
[14:53] <icey> jrwren: "juju bootstrap lxd lxd --config apt-http-proxy=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142 --config apt-https-proxy=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142 --debug"
[14:54] <jrwren> icey: <IP_ADDRESS> does not seem right.
[14:54] <icey> jrwren: that's one of the IPs for my current host
[14:54] <icey> the one that lxd is running on
[14:54] <jrwren> icey: ok. nevermind.
[14:54] <jrwren> icey: can you ssh to machine 0 and curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142 ?
[14:54] <icey> jrwren: the bootstrap never finishes
[14:55]  * skay_ neverminds, figured out the way to do it.
[14:55] <icey> jrwren: let me attempt to redeploy and lxc exec into it
[14:55] <jrwren> icey: lxc list, find the bootstrap machine and ssh with: ssh -i .local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa ubuntu@<IP>
[14:55] <admcleod_> icey: maybe just incase also try setting http- and https-proxy
[14:57] <icey> jrwren: seems like the lxd machine can't see the host network?! I get failed to connect with curl
[14:57] <jrwren> icey: That sounds like hte problem. Now to find out why that is the case?
[14:57] <icey> jrwren: mtr has no problem though
[14:58] <jrwren> icey: in the container?
[14:58] <icey> jrwren: yeah
[14:58] <jrwren> icey: is there an iptables rule now allowing 3142 from that network?
[14:58] <icey> jrwren: probably not
[14:58] <jrwren> icey: is this standard lxdbr0 network config?
[14:59] <icey> jrwren: it was a few months ago when I installed everything ;-)
[14:59] <jrwren> icey: instead of <IP_ADDRESS> address, try the address from lxdbr0? `ip addr show dev lxdbr0`
[15:00] <icey> adding the iptables rule makes it work on the 1.99 address
[15:00] <icey> the bridge address would probably make more sense
[15:01] <icey> but I'm /trying/ to build a demo method that other users woulc use and connect back to my machine for the apt cache
[15:01] <jrwren> icey: Then it must be a firewall rule?
[15:02] <icey> actually it still didn't work -_-
[15:02] <icey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23446805/
[15:03] <icey> there was a bug about that already I think
[15:03] <icey> regarding an iptables rule added for 8443
[15:04] <jrwren> icey: that is an entirely different error. juju can't talk to lxd there.
[15:04] <jrwren> icey: is lxd running?
[15:04] <icey> jrwren: yeah, but the fix is still to add an iptables rule...
[15:05] <icey>  sudo iptables -I INPUT 4 -i lxdbr0 -p tcp --dport 8443 -j ACCEPT
[15:05] <icey> fixes it
[15:05] <jrwren> icey: ok, sounds like you need the same thing for port 3142 on all interfaces.
[15:05] <jrwren> icey: ubuntu doesn't default to a deny all iptables ruleset, AFAIK. I think you are somehow a bit off the rails.
[15:06] <icey> jrwren: yeah, needed tro add 8443 to let juju talk to lxc, and 3142 to let juju talk to the apt cacher -_-
[15:06] <icey> jrwren: I think it's from ufw ;-)
[15:06] <jrwren> icey: must be. I'm surprised we don't have that better documented given how popular ufw is.
[16:22] <petevg> cory_fu: here's that matrix test I mentioned in the standup:  https://github.com/apache/bigtop/pull/158 And here's a branch of python-libjuju that will get you to the point where you're broken like I'm broken: https://github.com/petevg/python-libjuju/tree/bug/bundle-deploy-issues
[16:24] <kjackal_> cory_fu: You said you can call charm push from a CI script. True. The ugly part is that you have to also login through SSO and 2FA, right? So your build bot will have to do that from inside the CI. You also mentioned something about the blueslib? Whta is that?
[16:25] <cory_fu> kjackal_: This is how we're dealing with the charm store login in the RQ: https://github.com/juju-solutions/review-queue/pull/54
[16:26] <cory_fu> kjackal_: Basically, you create and save the SSO token and make sure you clear your go cookies and it handles the auth with the SSO token which never expires
[16:33] <kjackal_> cory_fu: Interesting, so you need to pass the oauth token at deploy time and thats it
[16:33] <cory_fu> Yep
[16:35] <kjackal_> cory_fu: Is there a rest call to get the oauth token or do you "steal it" from your local session?
[16:36] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: ^
[16:36] <cory_fu> kjackal_: I'm not sure
[16:36] <tvansteenburgh> kjackal: you steal it
[16:36] <kjackal_> :) thanks tvansteenburgh, cory_fu! We should make this official!
[16:38] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: i looked at the branch you posted above
[16:39] <petevg>  tvansteenburgh: if you're pointing out that I edited auto generated code, I know. Going to file an issue -- the branch is just to work through the exceptions I was running into ...
[16:40] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: no, that's not it
[16:40] <petevg> tvansteenburgh:
[16:40] <petevg> Uh oh :-)
[16:41] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: i was just gonna point out that those edits should not in fact be necessary. you should be able to just do this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23447159/
[16:41] <tvansteenburgh> (without editing the auto-generated code)
[16:42] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: stuff gets serialized automatically before being put on the wire
[16:42] <tvansteenburgh> obviously i don't know what error you're hitting, so there may be more to it, but i just happened to notice that part
[16:42] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: I think petevg's main point with the change was the `params = dict()` line
[16:42] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: whoops. I forgot the serialize thing was still in there.
[16:43] <cory_fu> Which overwrites the params passed in
[16:43] <petevg> Yeah. The prob is the circular reference.
[16:43] <tvansteenburgh> oh i see
[16:43] <cory_fu> I think it's in fact a naming conflict.  The parameter name conflicts with a local var in the generated code
[16:43] <petevg> The serialize is me naively trying to figure out why the go side still doesn't like what I pass in ...
[16:44] <cory_fu> petevg: It's because it really should be a nested dict with the params passed in under a 'params' key
[16:44] <cory_fu> Oh, nm, you had that part
[16:44] <petevg> Yep :-)
[16:45] <cory_fu> petevg: I don't understand why this is failing.  I was able to deploy a bundle without hitting this
[16:46] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: Did you by chance regenerate _client.py?
[16:46] <tvansteenburgh> no
[16:46] <cory_fu> How did this ever work for me, then?
[16:46] <petevg> cory_fu: i think that you specified more constraints.
[16:47] <petevg> And you don't have machine shenanigans in your bundle.
[16:47] <petevg> Basically, my bundle is fancier, and exercises more code :-)
[16:47] <cory_fu> petevg: The generated plan from deploying the bundle definitely had an "add machine" step in it, though.  I remember it from debugging
[16:47] <tvansteenburgh> what's the actual error?
[16:48] <petevg> My current guess is that I need to provide a default for 'series'. Am eating an early lunch, and am planning on testing after.
[16:50] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: Ack. Matrix clobbered my logs when I stopped it. It appeared to be a response from the Go side, claiming that I hadn't passed it something that it could unpack into a valid MachineParams object.
[16:51] <petevg> Running again. Will paste shortly.
[16:53] <petevg> tvansteenburgh Le error: juju.errors.JujuAPIError: json: cannot unmarshal object into Go value of type []params.AddMachineParams
[16:53] <tvansteenburgh> yeah
[16:54] <petevg> Noisy matrix logs here, for the curious: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23447199/
[16:54] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: well since i have regen'd the client in a while, it's possible that the params have changed in juju
[16:54] <cory_fu> petevg, tvansteenburgh: What do you think of this?  https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/5
[16:54] <tvansteenburgh> have not regen'd rather
[16:55] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: Ooh. That would make sense ...
[16:56] <petevg> cory_fu: that def looks like a plausible fix for the circular reference issue.
[17:04] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: that doesn't appear to be the problem. gotta break for lunch, will look closer when i get back
[17:06] <petevg> tvansteenburgh thank you very much for looking! Have a good lunch :-)
[17:08] <kjackal_> tvansteenburgh: cory_fu: here is the API for the store what it seems you can get the authtoken: https://github.com/juju/charmstore/blob/v5-unstable/docs/API.md I should have more info on restricting permisions on the tocken tomorrow
[17:09] <kjackal_> tvansteenburgh: cory_fu: there is this call GET /delegatable-macaroon
[17:48] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundletester/pull/69
[17:51] <tvansteenburgh> kjackal: sure, but you're not gonna be able to discharge that macaroon without an oauth identity
[19:09] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: did you get unblocked?
[19:13] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: I didn't (I was wrong about it needing a series as a default).
[19:14] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: ok, looking now
[19:27] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: thank you for looking into it. :-)
[20:11] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: afaict the problem is just that you have params: params: instead of just params:
[20:12] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: I tried just passing params in at one point. That might have been while other things were broken, though. I'll try again ...
[20:16] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: That works! (Well, it gets us to the point where a log message does the wrong thing with the return, but that's progress, and it gets me back out of the generated codebase, at least :-) )
[20:16] <tvansteenburgh> \o/
[20:16] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: I see several instances in the generated code where we create a params argument, then create a dict with a 'params' key to pass to it. Should I assume that is never the correct thing to do, and submit a patch?
[20:17] <petevg> In any case, thank you :-)
[20:19] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: i'm note sure yet :/
[20:19] <petevg> Whee!
[20:21] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: so for your thing to work you still have patched auto-gen'd code?
[20:21] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: yes. I need to rebase from cory_fu's branch, but I think the params will still try to nest itself.
[20:29] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: i just noticed something else. AddMachines() takes a list of AddMachineParams objects
[20:30] <tvansteenburgh> not a single instance
[20:30] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: is this on the Go side?
[20:30] <tvansteenburgh> so, client_facade.AddMachines([params]) in your example
[20:31] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/blob/master/juju/client/_client.py#L9077
[20:32] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: note the typing.Sequence
[20:32] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: Interesting. I am currently getting timeouts, and it looks like the machines aren't being added ... will try passing in a list. (Hooray for more hacking on generated code!)
[20:33] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: why do you have to change auto-gen'd code?
[20:37] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: Yeah. I can just pass a list in from model.py
[20:37] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: Huh. It doesn't want a list. "cannot unmarshal array into Go value of type params.AddMachines"
[20:44] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: can i see your current code?
[20:45] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: yes. Jumping into the matrix hangout ...
[20:46] <petevg> tvansteenburgh: Will also push to that branch shortly (I'm hacking in the site-packages in a virtual environment, so I have to copy stuff over ...)
[20:47] <petevg> I just want to try one more thing (working on embedding a list in the params key in the params dict.)
[20:50] <tvansteenburgh> petevg: can you jump in here https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rq-next?authuser=0
[21:00] <lutostag> our /var/lib/juju on a 1.25.6 bootstrap system is 6.3G, any way to clear out some of it?
[21:02] <lutostag> is the charm-get-cache safe to delete?
[21:17] <lutostag> ci-oil-config has an error https://pastebin.canonical.com/170197/
[21:17] <lutostag> charm*
[21:22]  * lutostag oops, wrong channel for that last part...