[00:01] <ActionParsnip> atxq: the link explains it, its why I added it.....
[00:04] <atxq> thanks for the information; first time I had an major issues with ubuntu
[00:10] <daviddoria> I see some instructions for upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade
[00:10] <daviddoria> but I am on 10.04 (or something like that), can I still upgrade?
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> daviddoria: you will need to upgrade to Maverick first
[00:11] <beauburrier> \join #digiyou
[00:13] <jfe> ActionParsnip: USB storage is enabled
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> jfe: then run:  dmesg | tail     after you enable it, the output should give clues
[00:14] <borgin> hi! Does anyone know if the memory leak is fixed in vlc 1.1.10?
[00:14] <daviddoria> wow these instructions are excellent
[00:15] <daviddoria> if it works as well as it seems like it is going to, kudos to ubuntu!
[00:15] <Raikia> Thus is ubuntu, daviddoria.  Customizability sacrificed for simplicity.
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> Raikia: pretty customizable here dude
[00:16] <Raikia> ActionParsnip: Unity is unnaturally uncustomizable.   Thats why I'm not :-P.  I don't like how Ubuntu forces you to have Evolution, Empathy, etc integrated into gnome with no alternative.  I have plenty of experience, personally, so I am able to switch what I want (running a modified version of gnome 2), but its a pain with new releases
[00:19] <Raikia> Don't get me wrong, I like Ubuntu.  I just disagree with a lot of the design decisions made.
[00:19] <Raikia> If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be in here (or running it, for that matter) :-P
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> Raikia: they don't force you to use anything, You can use thunderbird, kmail, sylpeed, clawsmail to replace evolution
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> Raikia: you can use pidgin or any of the other chat clients to chat with, you don't have to use empathy at all
[00:21] <gholen-a> Can anyone help me with a bluetoothproblem?
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> gholen-a: what's up dude
[00:21] <Raikia> ActionParsnip: It is nearly impossible to completely remove evolution and empathy's the integration with gnome.  Even if you get the notifications out (which isn't hard), it leaves messy remains and hurts the indicator applet's speed
[00:22] <gholen-a> I have a cheap Bluetoothmose, and have it connected to my eee. Wehn i sleepmode or so, my mouse disconnects, and cannot REconnect. How do I prevent that from happening (tutchpad is not working).
[00:22] <Raikia> ActionParsnip: Obviously it is possible (hence what I have done on my computer), but its a complete pain, especially when updating just makes everything go back to the way it was
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> Raikia: you can remove empathy entirely, you need to keep evolution-data-server-common but if you tell it not to run, the data simply sits there doing nothing at all
[00:23] <daviddoria> uh oh, "Could not calculate the upgrade - trying to install blacklisted version 'blcr-dkms_0.8.2-13"
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> Raikia: the OS is still incredibly customizable, which you said it  isn't
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> gholen-a: sounds like you need a wake up script to rmmod then modprobe the relevant module so that the bluetooth wakes up too
[00:26] <gholen-a> ActionParsnip: I was thinking the same, but how do I write it? I want the mouse to be able to wake the computer.
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> gholen-a: not sure there, when the system sleeps it seems to sleep the bluetooth which is the reciever for the mouse
[00:27] <gholen-a> scenario: I want to leave the mashine on, on batterypower, and when I come back and jiggle the mouse, I wanna make it understand that "oh, I'm on again".
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> gholen-a: should get the bluetooth working after hibernate: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1387211
[00:28] <gholen-a> Alternative: Press some keyboardcommand and connect the mouse.
[00:28] <daviddoria> I knew it was too good to be true :(
[00:28] <Falterego> Sup folks
[00:29] <gholen-a> ActionParsnip: Your a hero!
[00:29] <Falterego> Ultimate edition 2.9 FTW
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> Falterego: ultimate is offtopic here
[00:30] <Falterego> Lol aight, quick question, where is the "close laptop lid and do nothing" setting?
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> Falterego: your OS isn't supported here
[00:30] <Falterego> -_-.
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> !ultimate
[00:31] <[an]droidman> lol
[00:32] <preecher> i got a new modem yesterday(actiontec-thru my telephone co) and im using a linksys router--everything seems fine with the exception i cant log onto freenode---strange as it sounds i can get on dalnet though---any suggestions (i'm on a neighbours wireless now)
[00:32] <[an]droidman> no channel for ultimate edition
[00:32] <Belias>  making a rubic's cube game , http://www.qemum.org/Rubik7.png , want to change the name of Rubic's cube, since it is a trade mark, can you suggest a name?
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> [an]droidman: who cares ;)
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> Belias: gnubik
[00:32] <[an]droidman> Belias: ubiks cube
[00:32] <Belias> ActionParsnip: hehe
[00:32] <Falterego> There is no channel where i can get ultimate edition help? isnt it pretty much the same?
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> Falterego: see ubottu above
[00:33] <Belias> using Blender, let's say Blubic's cube
[00:33] <Belias> lame
[00:33] <OerHeks> Belias it is offtopic, how about TINARC ( this is not a Rubiks Cube )
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> Falterego: none of the million ubuntu spinoffs are supported here, this is ubntu support only
[00:34] <[an]droidman> you can try -offtopic
[00:34] <Falterego> Spin off? Offensive Much? Ultimate Edition is Great.
[00:35] <Falterego> I also have 11.04 running alongside this and windows 7.
[00:35] <Falterego> 11.04.. dissapointment :S But still 100 times better than windows 7
[00:35] <mic99> hey, can someone help me - i have a problem, im using some appls - thru wine - and they dont want to hide themselfs in the tray - they did before i did log off from my os - i cant reboot - my laptop is not working properly - is there anything that i can restart / do to make it to work again? im suing ubuntu 10.10 x86-64bit
[00:36] <csills> I have not tried it yet
[00:36] <csills> How is that new Unity Interface?
[00:36] <Guinness2702> I cannot resolve hostnames (e.g. ping www.google.com returns an "unknown host" message).  I have my nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf, but doesn't appear to attempt to connect to them (nothing appears in a tcpdump) - why would it ignore resolv.conf?
[00:36] <Falterego> the unity is quite good
[00:36] <Falterego> It takes a while to get used to
[00:36] <csills> better than Gnome 3?
[00:36] <wolfdraco> Hello, i am completely new to IRC and could use a little primer
[00:37] <Falterego> Well, two different things ur comparing there
[00:37] <Jeruvy> Guinness2702: can you reach the nameservers and are they ok?  (are they resolving..)
[00:37] <csills> ok  lol   Just looking for opinions
[00:37] <Falterego> I suggest just trying it first (11.04) then installing it if you like it
[00:37] <szal> Falterego: #ultimateedition <- if there's no one there, that's not our fault ;)
[00:38] <Guinness2702> Jeruvy, hmm, ping <nameserver> gives me network unreachable
[00:38] <Guinness2702> odd, 'cus I'm sshed in
[00:38] <csills> I am still running the 10.04 LTS
[00:38] <Guinness2702> hmm, do I have a gateway
[00:38] <Falterego> Ever Tried UE 2.9?
[00:38] <Falterego> good stuff man serious.
[00:39] <hiexpo> csills, stay with 10.04 lts you are better off
[00:39] <csills> ok I will make a live Cd
[00:39] <hmuller> Any Marylanders present?
[00:39] <Jeruvy> Guinness2702: did you try by ip also?
[00:39] <csills> Thanks
[00:39] <jonesst1> guiness2702 route -n shows a gateway?
[00:39] <wildgoose> Falterego, Quit trolling.
[00:40] <Falterego> there is a difference between trolling and promoting good software.
[00:40] <jonesst1> no there is not
[00:40] <Falterego> yes there is
[00:40] <wildgoose> Falterego, Do it somewhere else
[00:40] <Guinness2702> Jeruvy, Cool, I screwed up my /etc/network/interfaces - forgot to add a gateway :D :D - thanks tho', would never have thought to ping the nameserver lol
[00:40] <szal> Falterego: off-topic is off-topic, so quit it
[00:40] <mic99> anyone could help me out? with that tray? im quite desperate - it should start work again after i reboot - but it takes 2hours to launch my laptop - need to heat it every time i want to boot it - thanks to bugged nvidia chip - soon be buying new but this need to do some more work...
[00:40] <Jeruvy> Guinness2702: glad you got it.
[00:40] <mic99> hey, can someone help me - i have a problem, im using some appls - thru wine - and they dont want to hide themselfs in the tray - they did before i did log off from my os - i cant reboot - my laptop is not working properly - is there anything that i can restart / do to make it to work again? im suing ubuntu 10.10 x86-64bit
[00:41] <Falterego> alright princesses.
[00:44] <csills> Gnight all   cya guys later
[00:45] <mic99> i only log off from my os - it makes ram come back etc. - does not require turn off pc - i cant reboot after last log off that thing happen - cant .put wine apps in the tray
[00:45] <Guinness2702> next: I can't start gdm - the Xorg log says failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module.  I already installed package nvidia-current.  anything else I have to get or do?
[00:47] <Karen_m> i'm trying to follow a guide that calls for 'grub' but it doesn't exist anymore, it's all grub-*
[00:47] <Karen_m> what app should i be looking for?
[00:49] <hmuller> Karen_m, what's the link to the guide you are following
[00:49] <Belias> again
[00:49] <Belias> making a rubic's cube game , http://www.qemum.org/Rubik7.png , want to change the name of Rubic's cube, since it is a trade mark, can you suggest a name?
[00:50] <Karen_m> http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/05/create-a-bootable-usb-drive-ubuntu-freedos/
[00:50] <hmuller> Rubique's Qube?
[00:50] <Karen_m> i'm going to just use unetbootin as i see it supports freedos anywyas :)
[00:53] <hmuller> Karen_m, it's been awhile since I've used grub, you are right grub2 changes things up a bit
[00:53] <jshriver> greetings what is the package name for mysql-server?  all I've found is a cluster sderver
[00:53] <FloatingGoat> do you think canonical could give me CD's that I could distribute through t my town?
[00:54] <Belias> hmuller: nice one
[00:54] <Ubulindy> mic99 you should be able to go to wine in the menu list, scroll to the apps, find the "native" icons, do a right click and "add this launcher to the panel"
[00:54] <jayer89> can anyone help me?????
[00:54] <hmuller> Karen_m, do you wish to boot a DOS iso image?
[00:54] <xangua> FloatingGoat: you can download it from ubuntu.com and make them yourself ;) also can buy ubuntu cd's on the canonical store
[00:54] <Karen_m> yes, trying to do my bios on an old computer :)
[00:54] <jshriver> is mysql-server borked in 11?
[00:55] <jshriver> dpkg -L mysql-server and mysql-common yields crap.
[00:55] <hmuller> Karen_m, I'll put something on pastebin for you ... give me a minute or two
[00:55] <jayer89> CAN ANYONE HELP ME ??????????????????
[00:55] <widewake> hi, my computer janitor is broken,  when launched under packages and other its just blank
[00:55] <FloatingGoat> xangua: I want it to be as professional as possible though, and the ammount of CD's that I would need would be a heck of a lot throught the store.
[00:56] <widewake> jayer just ask the question and usualy you will get a response
[00:56] <xangua> !ask | jayer89 , and drop the Caps
[00:56] <tensorpudding> jshriver: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=natty&searchon=names&keywords=mysql would suggest not
[00:57] <widewake> i have reinstalled my computer janitor and it seems to be broken, has anyone ran into this problem befor? I am getting no options to do anything with computer janitor
[00:57] <Cpt_Zyph> hey guys how do i get the side bar on new ubuntu release to auto hide even if i dont have a window up full screen ... would like to free up some of my window space...
[00:57] <jayer89> when i install ubuntu 11.04 it goes either into the command line or it misses out loads of stuff or summit is worng can anyone help me with this
[00:57] <widewake> Cpt_Zyph, Right click side bar, options, autohide
[00:57] <Karen_m> ty
[00:57] <widewake> np
[00:58] <Cpt_Zyph> i dont get such options when i right click the new launcher bar
[00:58] <kielanmatt> hi all, I am experiencing a problem with Banshee... I have copied/imported all mp3s and m4as from my ipod to my Music folder and they play fine, however their bitrate and duration and Mime/Type is not displayed in the columns
[00:58] <kielanmatt> and these are the tracks that dont want to sync back onto the ipod when I tell banshee to sync the whole library
[00:58] <widewake> Cpt_Zyph,  oh, than i cant help you there sorry, however keep askin people will now
[00:58] <kielanmatt> any causes?
[00:58] <widewake> it seems that not many helpers are in at the moment
[00:58] <widewake> ops n suchh
[00:59] <Cpt_Zyph> widewake are you talking about the new launcher bar on the left side3 of the screen .. or just the old style bars??
[00:59] <tensorpudding> Cpt_Zyph: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity
[00:59] <widewake> Cpt_Zyph,  im talking about the top launcher bar? what version are you using?
[00:59] <jshriver> What is the recommended pastebin?
[00:59] <tensorpudding> Cpt_Zyph: you need to install CCSM
[00:59] <xangua> Cpt_Zyph: you need to install compiz setting manager (softwre centre) and use the unity plugin
[00:59] <jshriver> I'm getting an error when I install mysql-server-5.1
[01:00] <jshriver> http://pastebin.com/pbw4hDQz
[01:00] <Cpt_Zyph> thanks ill go read that pronto.. figured it would be built into normal tools with out extra things to install
[01:00] <jayer89> screw this
[01:00] <widewake> having a problem with computer janitor, it wont fully load its broken
[01:02] <_bogus_> hey, is there a way to use native's driver when NVIDIA's fails to load ??? (Im trying to emulate ubuntu using vbox or vmware but i cant have graphic mode because of nvidia drivers)
[01:03] <hmuller> Karen_m, http://paste.ubuntu.com/621347/
[01:03] <Bishope> hey guys!
[01:03] <tensorpudding> _bogus_: in virtualbox, you want to install guest additions
[01:04] <tensorpudding> _bogus_: nvidia's driver won't load because the graphics hardware isn't real, it's emulated
[01:05] <Karen_m> hmuller, very nice thank you!!
[01:05] <hmuller> Karen_m, np hope its useful to you
[01:05] <_bogus_> tensorpudding yeah thats what i've thought.. but i also dont want to remove nvidia drivers, so i was thinking if there was a way to load the native's driver when emulating
[01:06] <tensorpudding> _bogus_: trying to load the driver will fail, because there's no nvidia-compatible cards
[01:06] <tensorpudding> _bogus_: why did you even add the driver?
[01:07] <_bogus_> tensorpudding because its installed on my physical disk and I use to boot it physically and not virtually... but it would be awesome to emulate it too..
[01:07] <The_Pugilist> after installing some updates to mu ubuntu 11.04 box (im not sure which updates) grub will no longer load, after POSTing the computer sits with a blinking cursor, is there any way i can repair/reconfigure/re-install grub from a live cd or how should i solve this issue?
[01:07] <tensorpudding> _bogus_: oh, not sure how you'd do that
[01:08] <jayer89> this is the issue im having
[01:08] <jayer89> when i upgrade to 11.04 natty i get taken to the command line and not the proper log inscreen
[01:09] <kaushal> Hi
[01:09] <tensorpudding> what happens before that
[01:09] <kaushal> When is JAVA6 U26 going to be available in Ubuntu ?
[01:09] <tensorpudding> ^ jayer89
[01:09] <jayer89> it only boots into the command line
[01:09] <tensorpudding> jayer89: do you see the purple loading screen?
[01:09] <jayer89> nope
[01:09] <tensorpudding> jayer89: do you see errors?
[01:10] <jayer89> all i kno is that the xserver is either crashing or courrepting some where
[01:10] <ranilynn> hi all i'm having trouble getting my laptop to detect wireless after installing ubuntu 11.04
[01:10] <tensorpudding> jayer89: what's your hardware?
[01:10] <hmuller> jayer89, what happens when you enter 'gdm' on the commandline?
[01:11] <jayer89> one sec im running off live cd
[01:11] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: what is the chipset of your wifi
[01:11] <daviddoria> ah, I had to use QCommonStyle
[01:11] <ranilynn> to be honest i have no clue i just know it's broadcom
[01:11] <fluvvell> my unity bar has shrunk, how do i resize it?
[01:12] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: did you need to install a driver?
[01:12] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: some broadcom chipsets require a binary driver which is made available in Additional Hardware
[01:13] <tensorpudding> err, Additional Drivers
[01:13] <geekbri> If I have ubuntu server running bind 9 and I want to make an entry for DNS without a host (say google.com without the www. part) how do you do that.  (I already have a wildcard for the domain that redirects all unknown hosts elsewhere)
[01:13] <ranilynn> i went to additional hardware and it says it's activated but not in use
[01:13] <TurboBee> after installing Ubuntu 11.04 and activating my nvidia driver, it does't seem to be using the driver.  I have an nvidia 8800 GT on this box
[01:13] <TurboBee> how do I go about making it use the nvidia driver?
[01:14] <tensorpudding> geekbri: i recommend asking in a channel devoted to BIND, since it's not an Ubuntu question
[01:14] <geekbri> tensorpudding: ok
[01:14] <hmuller> TurboBee, is it using the nouveau driver?
[01:14] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: does the network tool show any wifi connections available?
[01:14] <TurboBee> hmuller, not sure how do I check?
[01:14] <jayer89> that is no help
[01:14] <jayer89> but i do kno that im using a acer aspire t180
[01:14] <ranilynn> no it only gives me the option of ethernet
[01:14] <hmuller> TurboBee: lsmod | grep nouveau
[01:14] <fluvvell> geekbri, or ask on #ubuntu-server, they may know
[01:15] <collincday> quick question: im trying to install tasksel, but the package is not being found. what repo do i need to add, im on 10.04
[01:15] <fallencreations> i am trying to install ubuntu onto an external hard drive. I have installed it to the drive using the live cd. when i boot from the drive it stops at the grub> prompt. i have tried using "boot" which gives "error: no kernel loaded". any ideas?
[01:15] <hmuller> Turbobee, you have to run that in a terminal
[01:15] <ranilynn> i've removed it reinstalled it to no avail
[01:15] <TurboBee> hmuller, I do have the nouveau module loaded
[01:15] <TurboBee> is logging out and relogging in enough to make Ubuntu use the nvidia driver or do I need to perform a full reboot?
[01:16] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: no it only gives me the option of ethernet
[01:16] <hmuller> TurboBee, If the nvidia-current module is installed and you want to use it then you will have to blacklist the nouveau driver
[01:16] <TurboBee> ahh ok
[01:16] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: odd
[01:16] <TurboBee> hmuller, thank you
[01:16] <ranilynn> it is and very frustrating
[01:16] <TurboBee> blacklisted module, rebooting
[01:17] <hmuller> TurboBee, np hope that helps
[01:17] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: i really hate to do this but would reinstalling ubuntu make any difference
[01:17] <TurboBee> I'll let you know :)
[01:17] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: i'm pretty sure not
[01:17] <jayer89> is ther anyone helping me ?????????????????///
[01:17] <tensorpudding> jayer89: what kind of graphics do you have?
[01:17] <collincday> quick question: im trying to install tasksel, but the package is not being found. what repo do i need to add, im on 10.04
[01:17] <jayer89> nvidia
[01:17] <jayer89> thats all i kno
[01:17] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: i'm just out of ideas all together every search i did turned up nada
[01:18] <hmuller> jayer89, run at the terminal:  lspci | grep -i vga
[01:18] <hmuller> jayer89, then tell us what it says
[01:18] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: try running lshw -C network in the terminal, and tell me what exact model of broadcomm wifi it is
[01:18] <jayer89> i am running on live cd deois that matter?
[01:19] <tensorpudding> jayer89: try running sudo service restart gdm, and tell me what happens
[01:19] <hmuller> jayer89, should not matter
[01:19] <kaushal> checking in again for the query
[01:19] <hmuller> tensorpudding, he already tried gdm and it failed
[01:19] <tensorpudding> it failed, but did it give an error message?
[01:19] <atxq_> any suggestions on how to play audio through cli? mp3blaster giving me issues here
[01:19] <tensorpudding> it should give an error message if it fails
[01:19] <TurboBee> hmuller, that worked :)
[01:20] <Unknown_Monkey> Anyone here abaout gpu password cracking
[01:20] <hmuller> tensorpudding, did not report the error
[01:20] <hmuller> TurboBee, gr8!
[01:20] <TurboBee> unity is pretty nifty
[01:20] <tensorpudding> atxq_: used to have an interest in mpd and its ncurses frontend
[01:20] <hmuller> I agree, took a little getting used too
[01:20] <jayer89> nope nothing comes up
[01:20] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: product--bcm4311
[01:20] <jayer89> this is doing my head in now
[01:21] <atxq_> mpd, thanks
[01:21] <bobbyfischer> anyone know how licensing for the enterprise ubuntu version works?
[01:21] <tensorpudding> that one should be covered by STA
[01:21] <bobbyfischer> does each box need a license?
[01:21] <bobbyfischer> or?
[01:21] <collincday> can anyone help me out real quick?
[01:21] <jmcantrell> anyone know why xterm does not play nice with the compiz grid plugin?
[01:21] <warlot> hola soy nuevo manejando ubuntu saben algun comando para cambiar la resolucion  a 1024
[01:22] <ranilynn> tesorpudding: 802.11b/g wlan
[01:22] <hmuller> jayer89, what's the make and model of your laptop
[01:22] <jayer89> the graphics card in this is a NVIDIA GeForce 6100
[01:22] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: if it doesn't find your wifi network, it might be a bug, or a hardware problem
[01:22] <jayer89> its not a laptop its a desktop pc
[01:22] <Osmodivs> Is there a way to set up AcetoneISO to TWO devices? I want to installa a
[01:22] <hmuller> jayer89, what's the make and model of your desktop pc
[01:22] <m4v> !es | warlot
[01:22] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: is there a way to work around it?
[01:22] <fallencreations> what would cause the grub prompt to appear when attempting to boot from an external hard drive?
[01:22] <jayer89> the make is a acert180
[01:22] <jayer89> acer aspire t180 ]
[01:23] <collincday> quick question: im trying to install tasksel, but the package is not being found. what repo do i need to add, im on 10.04
[01:23] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: i don' tknow
[01:24] <S74rk7> Anyone know how to see how much space is actually used in the / partition -- my filesystem + home are on seperate partitions - when I go in right click n go to properties it says its totaling 125TB ... I know thats not true I only got 320GB harddrive and the filesystem alone is on 50GB partition...
[01:24] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: does the entry for the wifi show a logical name?
[01:24] <th0r> Osmodivs: you could just bypass acetoneiso and use the fuseiso command line
[01:24] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: like eth0 or something
[01:24] <Osmodivs> Is there a way to set up AcetoneISO to TWO devices? I want to install a game, i do not have an ISO, I have a .mdf file, The setup installation asks me to INSERT DISK 2, I should mount the other .img file, but it jus opens another window, it does not run it like a second CD
[01:25] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: in the terminal window or under the internet icon thingy
[01:25] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: i meant the lshw entry
[01:25] <Osmodivs> SO, how do I setup AcetoneISO like these instructions for Window's Daemon Tools? 3) Set Daemon Tools to TWO devices. From cd folder one, mount the .mds file on device 1. DO NOT START INSTALLATION YET. On device 2, mount the .img file from folder CD folder 2. When mounting, change daemon tools to *.* all files, so it recognizes the .img file.
[01:25] <jayer89> i cant be asked wiht this imma just install 10.10 and stay with that at least i kno 10.10 works
[01:26] <tensorpudding> jayer89: have you tried installing the binary nvidia driver?
[01:26] <jayer89> yep
[01:26] <tensorpudding> jayer89: this behavior is with that driver, or without it, or bot
[01:26] <tensorpudding> h
[01:26] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: no it says description-- network controller then the product, vendor, phys id, bus info, version, width, clock, capabilities, config, and resources
[01:26] <fallencreations> i am trying to install ubuntu onto an external hard drive. I have installed it to the drive using the live cd. when i boot from the drive it stops at the grub> prompt. i have tried using "boot" which gives "error: no kernel loaded". any ideas?
[01:26] <jayer89> ive had all the drivers installed and everything i had it all updated and everything but it wouldnt shift from the command line
[01:27] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: it also says network UNCLAIMED
[01:27] <fallencreations> the install is version 10.04
[01:27] <jayer89> like i say im sticking with ubuntu 10.10
[01:27] <jayer89> coz that one works
[01:28] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: okay, can you open /var/log/dmesg and paste it to a pastebin?
[01:29] <hmuller> jayer89, the LiveCD works but once installed it doesn't work as expected right?
[01:29] <jayer89> yep
[01:29] <jayer89> as soon as i upgrade to 11.04 it screws up
[01:30] <hmuller> jayer89, same problem I had with my laptop.  You are still in the livecd environment?
[01:30] <jayer89> yes
[01:30] <hmuller> you have a terminal open?
[01:30] <jayer89> yes
[01:30] <collincday> ok, i am on a VPS. i am trying to use tasksel on 10.04 but the package is not installed. how can i get tasksel?
[01:30] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: do i type that into my terminal?
[01:30] <tensorpudding> jayer89: can you try putting the output of 'dmesg' on a pastebin?
[01:30] <hmuller> jayer89, run:   lspci | grep -i vga
[01:31] <hmuller> jayer89, then tell me what is reported
[01:31] <tensorpudding> ranilynn: you open the file /var/log/dmesg in gedit, and copy it
[01:31] <OerHeks> !tasksel
[01:31] <OerHeks> collincday, sudo apt-get install tasksel
[01:31] <collincday> doesnt work, not found
[01:32] <ZykoticK9_> OerHeks, collincday tasksel should be installed by default
[01:32] <collincday> ZykoticK9_, it must be my VPS install
[01:32] <collincday> ZykoticK9_, is there anyway to get it?
[01:32] <OerHeks> ZykoticK9_, it is not, i am afraid
[01:33] <OerHeks> but it finds it nicely, with install
[01:33] <ZykoticK9_> collincday, should be as OerHeks suggested "apt-get install tasksel"
[01:33] <The_Pugilist> when i boot my system all i get is a grub command prompt, how do i fix this?
[01:33] <jayer89> help
[01:34] <hmuller> jayer89, what do the results say?
[01:34] <fallencreations> I have same problem as The_Pugilist
[01:35] <The_Pugilist> fallencreations, i have read several guides but none of the commands they talk about seem to work
[01:35] <ranilynn> tensorpudding: give me a sec i'm working between 2 comps
[01:35] <fallencreations> The_Pugilist: Are you trying to boot from an external hdd?
[01:36] <The_Pugilist> no
[01:37] <Skaperen> installing 11.04 ... I'm at manually configuring partitions ... it won't let me enter a mount point manually (since /var/log is not in the drop down menu I need to enter in manually) ... I assume this worked when I installed 10.10 since my 10.10 box does have /var/log as a separate filesystem and I did manually configure partitions on that one, too
[01:37] <fallencreations> The_Pugilist: Have you tried set root=(hdX,Y)
[01:37] <Skaperen> is that a known regression bug where the manual entry of the mount point went away?
[01:37] <fallencreations>
[01:37] <fallencreations> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdXY ro
[01:38] <fallencreations>
[01:38] <fallencreations> initrd /initrd.img
[01:38] <FloodBot1> fallencreations: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:38] <fallencreations>
[01:39] <cablop> i got this problem igf i move too many files or a big file between my ubuntu and my windows computer then it suddenly fails and then the network in the ubuntu box is lost, needing to restart the machine to make it work again, is there any problem with samaba on ubuntu and windows 7
[01:39] <ab88> hi everyone
[01:39] <ab88> can somebody assist me with an issue with LibO
[01:39] <ab88> ?
[01:40] <Skaperen> cablop: did the network interface go down for all network communications?  or just the file share?
[01:40] <TurboBee> ok so I just got my nvidia working in dual screen on ubuntu 11.04, everything seems to be running great except I'm noticing some vertical sync issues on the left monitor in one line on the screen.  how can I go about diagnosing this?
[01:40] <cablop> Skaperen: for anything else, this is why i ned to restar, restarting network service and ifup don't work
[01:41] <fizyplankton> hey did some update today change the default theme for ubuntu 10.04? i like the dark default theme. now its some bright white crap. i clicked on ambiance in the appearence dialoge, and that mostly fixed it, but nautilus is still using this god awful theme
[01:41] <Skaperen> cablop: can you capture the state of the interface with "ifconfig" ?
[01:41] <jonesst1> if i want to re-run a packages installer help script again what's the command? dpkg something?
[01:41] <brown_fern> ab88: would "libO" be "LibreOffice?" I'm new to that phrasing.
[01:41] <RevSpecies116> fizyplankton: nope :(
[01:42] <cablop> Skaperen: sometimes it give me the right ip, other times no ip
[01:42] <Skaperen> cablop: also any messages about the interface with "dmesg" or "dmesg | fgrep eth0" (replace eth0 with your interface if different)
[01:42] <TurboBee> brb
[01:42] <Skaperen> cablop: are you using wireless?  DHCP assigned IP?
[01:42] <cablop> wired and fixed ip
[01:42] <RevSpecies116> fizyplankton: Sounds like an Elementary theme was installed?
[01:42] <fridgerator> does anyone know how to view the sata controller I/O info, similar to what msinfo32 shows?
[01:42] <ab88> yes brown_fern LibreOffice
[01:43] <fizyplankton> RevSpecies116: weird. i was downloading wine and g++ and it just started changing on me. i was just idleing waiting for wine to download so that g++ would start, when it just changed right begfore my eyes
[01:43] <ab88> sorry about that
[01:43] <RevSpecies116> fizyplankton: Did a restart fix the issue?
[01:43] <Skaperen> cablop: have you tried to manually configure the interface back up to see if it will come back up?  If you tried to unplug it and plug back in?  Is it plugged into a switch, or hub, or router?
[01:44] <fizyplankton> RevSpecies116: i run alot of servers, so i try to reboot as seldom as possible. as it stands, i DO need to reboot, and i have needed to for like 2 weeks, for some update, but i put that off as much as possible
[01:44] <edwardthefma> hey all
[01:44] <RevSpecies116> fizyplankton: can you just restart the X-server without rebooting the machine?
[01:45] <cablop> Skaperen: yes, i tried disconnecting from ubuntu menu, then connectng again, it "seems" to work, but no way, unplugged plugged physically also, and tried ifdown, service networking restart and ifup but also fails
[01:45] <kdog> what is the incantation to --set-selections and then install?
[01:45] <RevSpecies116> fizyplankton: sounds like some type of theme corruption [memory fubar?]
[01:45] <brown_fern> ab88: No problem, I however, try and stay away from acronyms when communicating, it limits the number of people who might understand me. That's just a personal preference.
[01:45] <cablop> it happens when i transfer big or many files, few or small files don't fire the problem
[01:45] <Skaperen> fizyplankton: I take a different philosophy ... if I made changes that need a reboot, or might cause the system to not come back up if the changes were not quite right ...  I don't want it to fail to come back up if it reboots for some reason when I am not there
[01:46] <ab88> certainly I will take in consideration your advice brown_fern
[01:46] <fizyplankton> Skaperen: i have an old ubuntu lucid install on here, so if all else fails, i could boot in to that and access my main filesyste,m
[01:46] <ab88> this is my main problem with LibreOffice http://imageshack.us/f/805/pantallazob.png/
[01:47] <Skaperen> cablop: I've seen issues like this but they were hardware problems with the NIC ... but I don't know that your case is hardware (yet)
[01:47] <ab88> as you can see the buttons are different form what they are supposed to look like
[01:47] <fizyplankton> Skaperen: unless its a grub issue, in which case i have like 10 other comps in my house, i could just plop the hdd in one of them and work from there
[01:47] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: http://paste.ubuntu.com/621371/
[01:47] <RevSpecies116> Fingers crossed, fizyplankton
[01:47] <fallencreations> is there any reason why grub is hanging with the command "ls (hdX,Y)/
[01:47] <fridgerator> does anyone know how to view the sata controller I/O info, similar to what msinfo32 shows?
[01:48] <Skaperen> fizyplankton: for home comps I don't care ... I usually don't need them to be up if I'm not here (except the DHCP server so my dad's computer can get an IP)
[01:48] <cablop> Skaperen: well, in this moment is working, maybe bcause it is not at full speed
[01:48] <cablop> ok, failed now
[01:48] <cablop> error shown in nautilus window is network timeout
[01:49] <fizyplankton> Skaperen: i ALWAYS need mine up, since i SSH into it from my droid/laptop all the time from school whenever i forget to grab my flashdrive if i need to work on something at school. or from PUTTY if im on a school comp during lunch
[01:49] <Skaperen> cablop: the failure mode I've seen was caused by a specific data pattern that croaked an Intel NIC ... a pattern I could not easily avoid ... but doing it over an encrypted connection saved the day
[01:49] <fizyplankton> Skaperen: RevSpecies116 ill reboot x. thank god for screen + a cli IRC client
[01:50] <cablop> Skaperen: how to set the encrypted connection?
[01:50] <fizyplankton> another reason why i love sshing
[01:50] <RevSpecies116> OKies, fizyplankton  :)
[01:50] <Skaperen> cablop: this is not a solution ... but is a workaround ... see if you can get rsync for windows with ssh access ... rsync is great for file transfers ... and this would be done encrypted ... which means random looking bits to the hardware
[01:50] <cablop> Skaperen: it failed now, how to retrieve the kernel or network errors?
[01:50] <inktri> how can i rename ra0 to wlan0 so that my wireless adapter shows up in the network manager?
[01:51] <Skaperen> cablop: do a ping to the IP address of the interface
[01:51] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: your wifi chipset doesn't even appear there
[01:51] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: very odd
[01:51] <Skaperen> cablop: do a ping to the IP address of the interface ... from within the machine that has it
[01:51] <Skaperen> cablop: gotta run in 8 mins
[01:52] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: i really don't know what to do
[01:52] <cablop> how to kow the ethX number?
[01:52] <cablop> got it
[01:52] <KM0201> cablop: ifconfig    should tell you
[01:52] <Skaperen> cablop: you should have discovered the ethX number earlier ... but do "ifconfig" alone and see what it shows
[01:52] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: if your card isn't being assigned an ethX, then it's not going to work
[01:52] <cablop> eth-: Too much work at interupt, status=0x00000002
[01:52] <Skaperen> cablop: do you have more than one eth?
[01:53] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: so i'm basically sol
[01:53] <cablop> i had in the past, but i reinstalled so hopefully it is etho , yep ifconfig says eth0
[01:53] <Skaperen> cablop: does it show "RUNNING" state?
[01:53] <cablop> ifconfig?
[01:53] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: well, i guess the STA driver might not actually support your card for some reason
[01:54] <fizyplankton> Skaperen: RevSpecies116: rebooting x worked. idk why it decided to go all retarded on me out of nowhere. now to reopen my like 7 billion browsers
[01:54] <Skaperen> do "ifconfig eth0" ... look for state keywords "UP" and "RUNNING"
[01:54] <cablop> nope, ping is not getting answer
[01:54] <Skaperen> fizyplankton: I thought the limit was no more than<PHONE_NUMBER> browser
[01:55] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: this may sound like a dumb question but would 64 bit vs 32 bit matter
[01:55] <cablop> up boroadcast running multicast and loopback running
[01:55] <fizyplankton> Skaperen: now thats just nonsense
[01:55] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: no, it shouldn't
[01:55] <Skaperen> cablop: the state of "lo" is not wanted ... just for "eth0"
[01:55] <cablop> it is my understandng right? it seems eth0 got overloaded
[01:56] <RevSpecies116> :) fizyplankton - glad it was a 'simple' reboot of X :)
[01:56] <cablop> supposedly up broadcast running multicast
[01:56] <Novatinho> help ??
[01:56] <Skaperen> cablop: it shouldn't be overloaded ... it would just not send what it can't send
[01:56] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: what version of ubuntu was this, anyway?
[01:56] <Cobbra> help...?
[01:56] <Skaperen> cablop: but hardware can fail in various ways
[01:56] <cablop> yes... it started to seem a hw problem
[01:56] <Cobbra> Anybody have a sample for MYSQL native connect with C/C++?
[01:56] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: the new one 11.04
[01:57] <cablop> could it be a hardware or driver issue?
[01:57] <Skaperen> cablop: hitting full capacity can trip some hardware issues that otherwise lay dormant
[01:57] <tensorpudding> ranilynn_: i don't know, it's a bit odd, your problem
[01:57] <Novatinho> i am new at this linuz\ ubuntu things
[01:57] <RevSpecies116> Welcome to Ubuntu Novatinho - How can we help?
[01:57] <jonesst1> anybody setup ubuntu to talk to freeipa?
[01:58] <Skaperen> cablop: be sure you are using a good cable ... while not the most likely cause, a bad cable can be a cause ... and it is a cheap fix if you have another cable handy
[01:58] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: i'm beginning to notice my desktop took this change no problem
[01:58] <Novatinho> is it possible to install in the same PC runnig Windows ??
[01:58] <RevSpecies116> Yes, Novatinho
[01:58] <szal> !multiboot | Novatinho
[01:58] <Novatinho> how ??
[01:58] <Skaperen> cablop: is it plugged into a router? switch? hub?  or crossover to the windows box direct?
[01:59] <szal> !dualboot | Novatinho
[01:59] <jonesst1> novatinho its supposed to be almost trivial
[01:59] <RevSpecies116> Several methods :) First - does the liveCD work well on your computer?
[01:59] <bsmith093> im trying to finalize my backup programs, how do i backup my list of repositories
[01:59] <jonesst1> novatinho or use a virtual app like vmware=player
[02:00] <jonesst1> vmware-player
[02:00] <Novatinho> hummm
[02:00] <szal> jonesst1: the question was about dualboot, not about virtualization ;)
[02:00] <Skaperen> gotta run now ... sorry ... cablop: g/l with it
[02:00] <cablop> Skaperen: conneted to router
[02:00] <cablop> router using linux, open-wrt
[02:00] <jonesst1> szal no he said is it possible to install on the same pc
[02:00] <cablop> i see Skaperen , ok thans for your time
[02:00] <jonesst1> he didnt say dual boot
[02:00] <Novatinho> and then the HD is supposed to be divided ?
[02:01] <brown_fern> Novatinho: Try here http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63547
[02:01] <jonesst1> novatinho with dual boot yes, with virtual no its just a file
[02:01] <flowbee> hi folks; i tried to remove pulse audio and go back to alsa on 10.04 because i kept hearing hissing when i would play anything ... 10.04.  when i now go to pref => sound: "Waiting for sound system to respond"
[02:01] <Novatinho> thanks
[02:01] <Novatinho> i'll try here
[02:02] <jonesst1> i'd suggest vmware=layer as its easiest to back out of if you dont like it
[02:02] <ZykoticK9_> flowbee, removing Pulse is almost never a good idea.  Best of luck.
[02:03] <flowbee> ZykoticK9_, ok i can put it back then... i just want sound
[02:03] <rationalOgre> cablop: So you are using nautilus and dragging/dropping files onto (or from) a windows 7 shared folder?
[02:04] <ZykoticK9_> flowbee, it's certainly up to you - but by removing Pulse you remove Gnome default sound system - no more default volume control and other potential issues.
[02:04] <ranilynn_> tensorpudding: thanks for trying to help
[02:04] <flowbee> ZykoticK9_, ok i can reinstall it i just dont know what to do now
[02:04] <cablop> rationalOgre: yes, this is the case
[02:05] <cablop> error fires from windows explorer too rationalOgre
[02:05] <rationalOgre> cablop: and when the error fires, the networking completely dies on the ubuntu box, but is fine on the windows box
[02:05] <rationalOgre> correct?
[02:05] <cablop> rationalOgre: right
[02:07] <rationalOgre> cablop: you said you were getting the message "too much work at interrupt" can you tell me what was immediately prior to those words? (should be a series of letters)
[02:08] <rationalOgre> letters/numbers
[02:08] <cablop> eth0 and a number
[02:09] <rationalOgre> And nothing else? Just the 0x0000002 and eth0?
[02:09] <cablop> rationalOgre: [ 1487.015453] etho: too much work at interrupt, status 0x00000002
[02:09] <cablop> other lines?
[02:09] <cablop> nop close
[02:09] <rationalOgre> cablop: that's from the kern log?
[02:10] <fr00g> What is the "exe" process that takes around 7 seconds in my bootchart? http://ubuntuone.com/p/xzq/
[02:11] <cablop> rationalOgre: dmesg |fgrep eth0
[02:12] <Polah> Is there any way to make Flash less processor intensive? Right now I have flashplugin-installer and I'm using Firefox 4; whenever I have a Flash application open in Firefox plugin-container uses no less than 30% of my processing power and often jumps up to ~150.
[02:12] <flowbee> reinstalled pulse but now i'm getting: ALSA error snd_pcm_open failed: No such file or directory.
[02:12] <cablop> dmesg | less shows nothing before, it just sends that error and other 15 like that one
[02:12] <Polah> fr00g: Unless I'm mistaken, .exe processes are only Windows applications running through WINE.
[02:12] <strata_> oh
[02:12] <fr00g> No, but the name of the process is "exe"
[02:12] <dan_> hello
[02:12] <strata_> my gawd
[02:12] <cablop> rationalOgre: dmesg | less shows nothing before, it just sends that error and other 15 like that one
[02:12] <fr00g> Oh nvm, it actually only runs for less than a second
[02:12] <Polah> fr00g: Oh, no idea then.
[02:13] <Polah> !repeat | cablop
[02:13] <fr00g> What is "wait-for-root"?
[02:13] <cablop> Polah: i forgot to address my message
[02:14] <rationalOgre> cablop: on phone a moment
[02:14] <cablop> kk
[02:14] <strata_> if you select "use whole disk" when installing, why does it create two primaries (one for / and one for swap), but swap is actually a logical partition shadowed by the 2nd primary? wouldn't it make more sense to just make swap a logical partition and only use one primary?
[02:14] <RevSpecies116> Polah - cablop is currently being activly helped right now - ubottu messages are unwelcome in this senario...
[02:16] <fr00g> Does anybody know if it's safe to disable the brltty service?
[02:16] <strata_> ah wait i think i know why it is done this way. because of the dm-crypt stuff for encrypted swap partition...
[02:16] <strata_> fr00g: if you don't know what it is, disable it
[02:16] <fr00g> Is it critical, though?
[02:17] <strata_> fr00g: disable it. if it breaks anything, turn it back on :)
[02:17] <Polah> fr00g: If I remember rightly, that's for braille-keyboard usage. You can remove it if you want, unless you want to use braille.
[02:17] <fr00g> Ah, okay, thank you
[02:17] <nykur> I have a small problem with natty global menu; it disappears behind indicators on the right when big.
[02:17] <rationalOgre> cablop: back, sorry.
[02:18] <cablop> np
[02:18] <nykur> anybody know how to configure this, other than not having many indicators?
[02:18] <strata_> nykur: this is a unity thing?
[02:18] <RevSpecies116> Bigger screen resolution, nykur
[02:18] <G00053> !brltty
[02:19] <rationalOgre> cablop: poke around in /var/log/samba/ look for the log with your win7 computers IP address
[02:19] <nykur> strata_: yes this is a unity thing this happens for example when running audacity
[02:19] <strata_> i'm one of the anti-unity folks :P
[02:19] <RevSpecies116> Unity is here to stay - the best thing to happen to Ubuntu in a while
[02:19] <inktri> who wants to see my cawk
[02:19] <nykur> RevSpecies116: I'm afraid my netbook won't let me
[02:20] <cablop> rationalOgre: nothing in there
[02:20] <strata_> RevSpecies116: i agree with you on that aspect. also the lightdm that is coming is a big step in the right direction.
[02:20] <nykur> strata_: I'm not a unity fan, but trying to keep an open mind.
[02:20] <rationalOgre> cablop: nothing in the log for that IP address or in the /var/log/samba folder?
[02:20] <strata_> however, at this time, unity imo sucks. it needs to be more themeable
[02:21] <RevSpecies116> nykur: You missed a Jono Bacon talk about Unity about 4 hours ago. If you feel it is a bug, launchpad would be the place to raise it.
[02:21] <rationalOgre> the error may have been logged under log.<win7machinename>
[02:21] <RevSpecies116> LightDM and Unity for me in 12.04LTS :) and Weyland in 14.04LTS :)
[02:21] <fr00g> What is winbind?
[02:21] <nykur> I was kinda hoping this wouldn't be a bug, rather a config issue.
[02:21] <cablop> rationalOgre: by computer name it says some errors but are by far in the past
[02:22] <strata_> RevSpecies116: so what's up with compiz in 11.x? why did they break it so badly?
[02:22] <RevSpecies116> nykur: There are no easy configuration options for Unity at the moment
[02:22] <nykur> A bit stupid to leave an interface that was designed for netbooks to begin with utterly useless.
[02:22] <Polah> fr00g: If you're going through your packages, looking in Synaptic will give you a brief description of each one.
[02:23] <brown_fern> fr00g: Do some reading about that daemon if you have any questions. This may be the correct homepage for that service:  http://mielke.cc/brltty/
[02:23] <RevSpecies116> strata_: Good question :) But I've not used 10.10 upwards, so cannot say...
[02:23] <joshua-fbi> hi
[02:23] <cablop> rationalOgre: not in the time window
[02:23] <RevSpecies116> nykur: By 12.04LTS, it should be perfect
[02:23] <cablop> rationalOgre: meaning not from when the event happened
[02:23] <rationalOgre> cablop: ok, so it's not samba failing it would seem.
[02:23] <fr00g> Polah, I'm actually gong through my services (sysv-rc-conf), but that's a good idea, thanks!
[02:23] <rationalOgre> cablop: which means it's either hardware or driver related
[02:24] <cablop> rationalOgre: ok, good enough to know... then maybe a driver or hw error, right?
[02:24] <rationalOgre> cablop: got an extra eth cable lying around?
[02:24] <rationalOgre> Might try swapping it out
[02:24] <nykur> RevSpecies116: I'm sure, but for now I'll see if there is a way to scroll behind the indicators.
[02:24] <cablop> rationalOgre: just my guess... and maybe it is more hw because it happened in the past with 10.04 10.10 and now with 11.04
[02:24] <rationalOgre> that or unplugging the one you have and plugging it back in firmly at both eneds.
[02:24] <strata_> RevSpecies116: yea. i run mint 10 and recently tried 11 and was surprised to see xorg server crashing, compiz segfaulting, etc. radeon driver causing kernel panics. so i checked the known issues section on their site and they said it is an upstream issue. how can they release probably the most user-friendly and elegant desktop system with busted ass compiz? lol
[02:24] <cablop> rational, erm, yes
[02:25] <rationalOgre> cablop: You tried that already?
[02:25] <cablop> rationalOgre: yes i did in the past
[02:25] <RevSpecies116> nykur: Don't give up on that option, though - Jono says that not all changes to Unity have to wait for 11.10, they are being activly backported to 11.04 Unity too
[02:25] <rationalOgre> cablop: ok.
[02:25] <rationalOgre> So, if it's not the cable, then we're down to NIC or driver
[02:26] <cablop> rationalOgre: yes, but because the issue happened with three diff versions of ubuntu... and it is an old via rhine nic... then maybe it is hw
[02:26] <strata_> it's like "oh well. we just wanted to get the version out.. everybody run afterstep at 800x600 for a few months while we find someone who isn't drunk to recompile some packages"
[02:26] <cablop> sadly it is an integrated one rationalOgre
[02:26] <rationalOgre> cablop: sudo lshw | grep -i network
[02:26] <robin0800> RevSpecies116, is their a url for jono's talk?
[02:26] <cablop> going to replace the whole board with another old of same kind...
[02:26] <rationalOgre> let's find out what NIC we're dealing with
[02:26] <RevSpecies116> Let me check
[02:27] <cablop> rationalOgre: *-network and network in red
[02:27] <cablop> stupid, is red because of fgrep xD
[02:28] <RevSpecies116> Was informed of it via FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux   robin0800
[02:28] <cablop> rationalOgre: the output is *-network
[02:28] <cablop> nothing else
[02:28] <kainu7> Hey guys question, Im getting ready to reformat my computer. i have windows 7 64 bit, just downloaded ubuntu 11 64bit, I have to install ubuntu first right?
[02:28] <rationalOgre> cablop: Yeah, so do sudo lshw | less
[02:28] <strata_> kainu7: install windows first, it's easier that way.
[02:28] <rationalOgre> gonna have to visually search
[02:29] <Polah> kainu7: Install Ubuntu second.
[02:29] <RevSpecies116> robin0800: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/07/unity-quality-in-ubuntu-11-10-help-make-it-rock/
[02:29] <cablop> rationalOgre: what should i look for?
[02:29] <kainu7> really? i thought it was always the other way around last time?
[02:29] <ZykoticK9_> kainu7, Polah is correct.  Windows first, then Ubuntu.
[02:29] <kainu7> how do i do the red thing?
[02:29] <kainu7> with your name
[02:29] <rationalOgre> cablop: *-network (what comes after it, looking for the ethernet controller)
[02:29] <Polah> kainu7: Nope. Installing Windows installs the Windows bootloader in the MBR, which only boots Windows. Installing Ubuntu second puts GRUB over the Windows bootloader, allowing you to boot into either from the GRUB menu.
[02:30] <ZykoticK9_> kainu7, include the nic in your reply
[02:30] <rationalOgre> cablop: could do sudo lshw | grep -i ethernet
[02:30] <kainu7> polah like this?
[02:30] <rationalOgre> But that might not show what we want
[02:30] <kainu7> nope
[02:30] <kainu7> lol
[02:30] <Polah> kainu7: Yes.
[02:30] <cablop> rationalOgre: well, my card is there, it identified the board and the network
[02:30] <kainu7> oh i was red?
[02:30] <cablop> i cannot copy paste, from there of course
[02:30] <fr00g> If I disable/uninstall winbind, will I still be able to access Windows network folders?
[02:30] <rationalOgre> cablop: of course.
[02:30] <robin0800> RevSpecies116, thanks
[02:31] <strata_> Polah: you can install ubuntu first and windows second (which is what i'm actually doing right now). it is more steps though.
[02:31] <cablop> rational many lines description product vendor and so on
[02:31] <Polah> kainu7: Your own messages to other people won't be red, but incoming messages with your name will show up red for you.
[02:31] <kainu7> Polah this is red to you?
[02:31] <kainu7> oh alright thank you
[02:31] <rationalOgre> cablop: product
[02:31] <rationalOgre> cablop: give me the product line
[02:31] <Polah> Strata_: How? You'd have to install GRUB (through Windows?) or boot from a LiveCD/USB and do it, right?
[02:31] <Polah> Kainu7: It was indeed red.
[02:32] <cablop> rationalOgre: product: VT6102 [Rhine-II]
[02:32] <strata_> Polah: if you install windows first, then ubuntu. it's pretty self-explanatory and will "just work." if you install ubuntu 1st and windows second, windows will overwrite the MBR and you'll then have to boot livecd and reinstall grub
[02:33] <Polah> strata_: Yeah, but doing Ubuntu second combines it with installing GRUB. Of course it's possible; it just makes no sense to create more work by doing Windows second.
[02:33] <rationalOgre> cablop: If memory serves you said periodically that it won't get an IP address?
[02:33] <kainu7> Do I have to do anything special when installing windows or ubuntu?
[02:33] <ratzz> naww  you don't want to boot windows.  if you have VT-x/AMD-V  just put windows in a virtualbox
[02:33] <Polah> kainu7: Nope. Install Windows as normal and then install Ubuntu as normal.
[02:34] <cablop> strata_ and Polah  when you install windows in a different hard disk and using SATa or setting in the BIOs this is the startup device it should work with no mbr issues
[02:34] <strata_> Polah: i have to do windows second because i needed win7 for a project. so i had to shrink my ext4 partitions back then install win7, then restore grub
[02:34] <kainu7> dont have to leave a partition or anything?
[02:34] <cablop> rationalOgre: mmm nope, it has fixed ip, anyway, if it ask for IP my open-wrt router give always the same
[02:34] <strata_> cablop: not all of us have more than one disk :)
[02:35] <strata_> so i'm going to find out just how stable gparted is
[02:35] <Polah> cablop: That'd be even worse, you'd need to manually select to boot from the Ubuntu drive every time you booted. Installing Windows and then Ubuntu in partitions on the same drive gives you a quick menu you can select from.
[02:35] <cablop> strata_: then if just one disk then Windows first then ubuntu second
[02:35] <Polah> cablop: Indeed
[02:35] <cablop> Polah: i do that to rescue Windows then go back to linux disk in the bios then sudo update-grub from there and keep things as is
[02:36] <cablop> i eman, that way
[02:36] <cablop> rationalOgre: so it is not a dhcp issue, allother computers work fine here
[02:36] <kainu7> Do I have to make separate partitions on my hard drive for windows and ubuntu?
[02:37] <Polah> kainu7: Yes. Ideally.
[02:37] <cablop> rationalOgre: and in windowsxp same machine barely fails, but i never transfer such amount of files in winxp so not sure
[02:37] <strata_> so i made the mistake in gparted: instead of shrinking sda1, i accidently shrunk it _and_ moved it to the right by about 95G. that cost me 6 hours of waiting
[02:37] <rationalOgre> cablop: right, just was gogling on VT6102 and one of the things that came up was that you had to change the boot options so apic=noirq
[02:37] <ratzz> not if you use virtualbox, kainu7
[02:37] <nit-wit> you don't have to adjust the bios for choosing a disc to boot from, there is a menu outside the bios for per-session booting.
[02:37] <rationalOgre> in order to get DHCP to work for the vt6102
[02:37] <cablop> rationalOgre: but no dhcp
[02:37] <coilbucker> I've changed a setting in one of my tuxguitar plugins, and now the software won't open. It doesn't throw any errors, but the splash screen goes dark and I have to force quit.
[02:38] <Polah> Ratzz, kainu7: Yes. You could install Windows in a virtual machine on Ubuntu, or install Ubuntu through WUBI on Windows. Both methods aren't as good as just installing them properly on separate partitions.
[02:38] <kainu7> ratzz idk what virtualbox is so i think i probably should
[02:38] <ratzz> it's convenient to boot the OS you care about and run the other in virtualbox when you're forced to bother with it
[02:39] <kauxcb> Whats up room
[02:39] <ratzz> kainu7: virtualbox.org
[02:39] <strata_> Polah: yes but running win7 in virtualbox is really slow and crappy even on a decent machine
[02:39] <kauxcb> I have a question
[02:39] <cablop> well, i use winxp on a VM and that'spretty good, because you at theend, end working on one computer and stop dualbooting, with some extra effot you can install that windows on a real partition anyway
[02:39] <kauxcb> Can you have an anti-virus to protect your wine??
[02:39] <Polah> Strata_: Yeah. That's why I recommended installing them properly in their own partitions, because virtualisation and WUBI are terrible in comparison.
[02:39] <ratzz> strata_:  naww  not when you have VT-x/AMD-V available.
[02:39] <strata_> ratzz: i do. it still no good :)
[02:40] <cablop> kauxcb: i barely believe that, because wine is not a full windows and an AV depends on many many services... also thinking it is not going to help much
[02:40] <kainu7> Polah, ratzz I game a lot so i was going to have windows as well, wouldnt virtualbox make gaming lag
[02:40] <jonesst1> does ubuntu have any scripts to hep setup authentication?
[02:40] <kauxcb> cablop: so there is no way of protecting wine?
[02:40] <cablop> rationalOgre: then, the way to solve it is apic=noirq, hw to set it, do you have the link?
[02:40] <Polah> Kainu7: I imagine performance would be worse than a proper installation
[02:40] <kauxcb> Can an ubuntu anti-virus protect wine?
[02:40] <cablop> kauxcb: you can use another wine for testing purposes, like manually sanboxing
[02:40] <RevSpecies116> kauxcb: no :(
[02:41] <Polah> kauxcb: WINE is limited to the same permission restrictions as Ubuntu itself. It isn't a kind-of Windows running, it's just a compatibility layer.
[02:41] <kauxcb> shiet
[02:41] <cablop> kauxcb: in the other hand as wine software is different from real windows i think few viruses can do what they expected to do on it
[02:41] <strata_> kauxcb: lol virtualbox. just sandbox the whole OS. keep a fresh .vdi for backup
[02:41] <kainu7> Polah How much should I leave for ubuntu in the partition?
[02:41] <Polah> Kauxcb: I'm doubtful most Windows viruses would run as designed through WINE anyway.
[02:41] <RevSpecies116> If it is a badly written virus, it will most likely not run on WINE anyway - thus you are safe ;)
[02:41] <ratzz> kainu7:  well if you're going to game, then you'll need to boot windows off the raw hardware.   multiple partitions.
[02:41] <rationalOgre> cablop: no, that was for something else
[02:41] <RevSpecies116> But, a well written virus... DANGER!
[02:41] <Polah> kainu7: 10GB maybe. 20GB if you want. it doesn't require lots. I recommend at least 80-100GB for Windows.
[02:41] <ZykoticK9_> Polah, i've read that some do - most don't.
[02:42] <kauxcb> I have had a windows virus murder my wine
[02:42] <strata_> ratzz: or run visual studio.. i just tried that in virtualbox. disaster
[02:42] <kauxcb> It never installed anything again
[02:42] <cablop> rationalOgre: then... maybe try with the other board and testagain?
[02:42] <kauxcb> downloaded some torrent
[02:42] <rationalOgre> cablop: does the computer have a wireless card?
[02:42] <kauxcb> and boom
[02:42] <cablop> rationalOgre: nope no wireless
[02:42] <Polah> ZykoticK9_, yeah, I imagine some would the same way some legitimate Windows programs work.
[02:42] <rationalOgre> cablop: Ok, so that nixes that idea.
[02:42] <strata_> kauxcb: if a windows virii murders wine, just reinstall wine and you're good
[02:42] <Polah> apt-get purge wine, apt-get install wine > should solve that problem
[02:43] <kainu7> Polah I have a 500gig hd, so when i do this just make two partitions? one 20gig for ubunto and then one for the remaining ~480 for windows?
[02:43] <kauxcb> Tried, did not work
[02:43] <ZykoticK9_> Polah, incorrect!  purging wine will NOT remove ~/.wine which is where the virus/malware would be located!
[02:43] <ratzz> strata_: i've got different linux distros in vboxes and run 'em in XP and can barely tell the difference between that and running directly on the hardware.  'course i have RAM and CPU to spare.
[02:43] <Polah> ZykoticK9_, good point. ~/.wine would need to be deleted as well.
[02:43] <rationalOgre> cablop: try `cat /proc/interrupts | grep -i eth0`
[02:44] <strata_> ratzz: like how much ram?
[02:44] <rypervenche> Yeah, just remove ~/.wine and you're set. Restarting wine will remake all of the deleted files.
[02:44] <rationalOgre> cablop: tell me what the first # is
[02:44] <kauxcb> I had a question about ubuntu
[02:44] <Polah> Kainu7: I'd recommend three partitions then. A 20GB Ubuntu partition, an 80GB Windows partition (maybe 100GB if you plan on installing quite a lot of software) and then the remaining space can be formatted to a NTFS filesystem and used for shared data storage.
[02:44] <rationalOgre> cablop: you can also look at the end of the line and see what else is on that IRQ
[02:44] <kauxcb> Why are the torrents slower than windows
[02:44] <cablop> rationalOgre: ok
[02:45] <kauxcb> on ubuntu its every like 3 seconds
[02:45] <ratzz> strata_ all that XP can manage.  which unfortunately is < 4GB
[02:45] <kainu7> Polah ok thank you, is there an easy way to do this by chance?
[02:45] <kauxcb> on windows its every 1 second
[02:45] <cablop> rationalOgre: number 23 and eth0
[02:45] <strata_> ratzz: oh ok. i have 16G here
[02:45] <strata_> ratzz: and i've maxed it out. i need more
[02:45] <rationalOgre> cablop: so nothing else on that IRQ?
[02:46] <ratzz> but i am really using XP as a fancy bootloader so I can give all i need to vbox linuxes, strata_
[02:46] <Polah> kauxcb: kainu7: Yes. In the Windows installer make two partitions, on of 80GB and one of 400GB and then install Windows on the 80GB one. Then when you install Ubuntu, choose to make a partition in the remaining free space for that.
[02:46] <strata_> ratzz: might as well run xen :)
[02:46] <cablop> rationalOgre: line is 23: 3917888 IO-APIC-fasteoi eth0
[02:46] <ratzz> yeah thought about that.
[02:47] <cablop> rationalOgre: with grep -i 23: shows no other lines
[02:47] <kainu7> Polah thank you again, im sure you can tell im new to all this =P
[02:47] <rationalOgre> cablop: So yeah, it's alone on that IRQ, thus it would make no sense that it would be an IRQ conflict with anything.
[02:48] <RevSpecies116> And all we ask, kainu7, in return is to come back to this channel every now and then and help others in need :)
[02:48] <chomping> just a clarification, I can't understand what to fill into the "network" field in /etc/network/interfacesfile.  I have this example found in the net which says "network <IP_ADDRESS>". Will this really always start with 0? I can't ping though <IP_ADDRESS> in my network, but <IP_ADDRESS> is pingable.
[02:48] <julie> chomping, the .0 is the network address and matches no device
[02:49] <hpuser> chomping 192.168.x.0 is not an adress?
[02:49] <kainu7> RevSpecies116 believe me ill be back but idk if ill be of any help ill probably be seeking more help =?
[02:49] <rationalOgre> cablop: ok. do `modprobe -l via`
[02:49] <hpuser> maybe special?
[02:49] <chomping> julie: so that means it should start with 0, am I right?
[02:49] <Polah> hpuser: Not with an x in it it isn't.
[02:49] <julie> no you start with .1
[02:49] <hpuser> : >
[02:49] <julie> .1 is usually used for the gateway
[02:49] <RevSpecies116> kainu7: You will be surprised :)
[02:50] <chomping> julie: indeed, our .1 is used for gateway. That does mean network = gateway?
[02:50] <julie> no
[02:50] <hpuser> errr
[02:50] <julie> the network is actually defined by the IP and mask
[02:50] <julie> but why do you need to understand all this?
[02:50] <chomping> julie: so the desired in "network" field is <IP_ADDRESS> right?
[02:50] <cablop> rationalOgre: kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/via/via.ko
[02:50] <ratzz> network is a collection of devices which share the same IP bits as defined by the netmask, chomping.
[02:51] <Polah> Chomping: The gateway would most probably be your router, i.e. it's the gateway to other computers on your local network/the internet.
[02:51] <julie> chomping, do you use a router?
[02:51] <chomping> julie: because imply I need it, I didn't find any definition of thisfor the "network" field.
[02:51] <strata_> ratzz: vmware esxi is pretty good provided you have the right hardware
[02:51] <julie> chomping, do you have a router?
[02:52] <rationalOgre> cablop: hrm.
[02:52] <ratzz> strata_  yes, i'm a vmware customer from before they had the ESXi product.
[02:52] <cablop> rationalOgre: mmm
[02:52] <ratzz> i lack the $$$ to use it on my own stuff
[02:52] <julie> I use the free vmware player and it's great
[02:52] <hpuser> chomping we just call it that in reality it's 4 bits of 1s and 0's and another 3 x 4 bits, so it's acctually soemthing like 0010.0100.1010.1111  ?
[02:53] <strata_> ratzz esxi is free
[02:53] <Polah> chomping: Have you read your router manual? It could be the network name. I can't think of anything else "network" would define, subnet mask should be labelled as such and you can't define a single IP as the network. Perhaps it's an input for a range of IP, i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>-10
[02:53] <cablop> rationalOgre: afaik it sould work, right?
[02:53] <ratzz> is it now?
[02:53] <strata_> yes
[02:53] <strata_> i was running it for a short time until i raped it
[02:53] <ratzz> shows you how much attention i've paid to the vmware products lately.
[02:53] <julie> hpuser, sorry but you're a bit off on network topology
[02:53] <JohnSS_> How do I view all of the things installed during the last update from command line?
[02:54] <hpuser> julie i know my friend just trying to help
[02:54] <Polah> hpuser: 4 bits? If IPv4 parts can go up to 255, that requires 8 bits
[02:54] <julie> ok :)
[02:54] <hpuser> polah, srty my bad
[02:54] <julie> chomping, are you still alive?
[02:54] <hpuser> 8h ?
[02:55] <julie> 8 bits * 4
[02:55] <rationalOgre> cablop: all I can figure is your network card is slowly dying.
[02:55] <chomping> yeah sorry, so this is the example
[02:55] <chomping> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621401/
[02:55] <julie> you need to tell us if you have a router or not
[02:55] <chomping> now, my question is, what does the "network" field means in that config?
[02:55] <chomping> julie: yep. I use a router
[02:55] <chomping> the router's ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:55] <julie> then you should configure your network with DHCP
[02:55] <Polah> chomping: Try to access <IP_ADDRESS> in your browser. It could be your router.
[02:56] <cablop> rationalOgre: i see... ok, then... i'll put the other old motherboard and do some testing... if error happens again it does mean i'l need to buy a new computer or switch from linux xD
[02:56] <ratzz> 32 bits in total.  so if the netmask is <IP_ADDRESS>  then there are 24 bits which define what is the local network and what is not.  and 8 bits to identify devices on the local network.
[02:56] <rationalOgre> cablop: do this `sudo lshw -C network | grep -i driver`
[02:56] <ratzz> .20.0 won't be a router.
[02:56] <Polah> Chomping: Oh, nevermind then. What are you looking at to get that information?
[02:56] <ratzz> .0.20 could be
[02:56] <cablop> rationalOgre: thanks for all your help... i realized i know a very litle about hardware checking via linux... do you have a link or something for all those commands?
[02:56] <sokuban> What's the proper way to restart a network in the latest ubuntu? restarting the networking daemon or ifup/ifdown eth0 doesn't work (but rebooting obviously does)
[02:56] <ZykoticK9_> chomping, if the router's ip is <IP_ADDRESS> then it's on network <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:56] <julie> ratzz, there is no fixed amount of bits to define what is local or not
[02:56] <rationalOgre> cablop: you should see driver=
[02:56] <rationalOgre> that will tell you the name of your driver
[02:57] <hpuser> chomping, remove "network and replace with: gateway <IP_ADDRESS>    < try that?
[02:57] <ratzz> julie  there is if you've set a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS> like i did for an example
[02:57] <cablop> rationalOgre: driver=via-rhine deriverversion=1.5.0
[02:58] <WyattOil> Hi all.  Long time suse user here.  Is there an Ubuntu w/ KDE version that can be run from a jumpdrive (USB Drive)? to test?
[02:58] <julie> ratzz, <IP_ADDRESS> with mask <IP_ADDRESS> has 65536 possibilities
[02:58] <ZykoticK9_> julie, network vs hosts is determined by the subnet mask
[02:58] <rationalOgre> cablop: `sudo modprobe -r via-rhine && sudo modprobe via-rhine`
[02:58] <julie> I know
[02:58] <julie> gosh
[02:58] <chomping> I'm actually configuring UEC here and found in the example they're using a static. Though we're using dhcp but the fact it falls into static since the router is configured to get into this machine (for example) if the ip is <IP_ADDRESS> and with its mac address.
[02:58] <strata_> WyattOil: yea kubuntu
[02:58] <ratzz> julie if chomping is flopping around not understanding "network" in /etc/networks ... some explanation is necessary.
[02:58] <hpuser> chomping, and ifdown <eth0>  and then if up <eth0>   replace eth0 with name of your network card, maybe like so: if down wlan0, then ifup wlan0
[02:58] <chomping> so I think I can use static, right? instead of dhcp
[02:59] <Polah> wyattOil: Install a Kubuntu distro on the drive rather than regular Ubuntu.
[02:59] <WyattOil> strata_:  thanks.  Just kubuntu.com?
[02:59] <strata_> kubuntu.org i think
[02:59] <Polah> WyattOil: .org
[02:59] <ratzz> no you can't use all possible 16bit values in the unmasked address space, julie.  and you should know why, too.
[02:59] <WyattOil> Polah:  thanks.
[02:59] <julie> chomping, you can indeed use a static address but from what you say your router will do the job even with a dynamic one
[02:59] <cablop> rationalOgre: done
[02:59] <ratzz> julie:  you lose 1 for .0 and one more for broadcast address
[02:59] <strata_> WyattOil: coming from suse you might be more pleased by linux mint KDE. give both a try. one is brown, one is green lol
[02:59] <hpuser> WyattOil, it's all ubunti, we jsut replace the first letter, so *bunti becomes KDE-buntu or k-buntu? it's all on ubuntu website
[02:59] <WyattOil> I've recently upgrated to SUse 11.4 and have been pretty disapointed. I'm looking at options :(
[02:59] <rationalOgre> cablop: now try transferring the file again.
[02:59] <julie> ratzz, this is getting ridiculous
[02:59] <chomping> so I need to change this to dhcp instead of static?
[03:00] <ratzz> julie so that's 65534 in total.
[03:00] <julie> ratzz, I just gave a routh number
[03:00] <rationalOgre> cablop: Well, I guess I should ask if the network came back up
[03:00] <julie> rough
[03:00] <chomping> iface eth1 inet dhcp, right julie?
[03:00] <julie> it does
[03:00] <ratzz> julie there is no such thing as "rough" when setting up a network.   computers are funny that way.
[03:00] <WyattOil> strata_: Mint? (or was that a joke on suse's green?)
[03:00] <julie> seems right
[03:00] <nykur> I have a small problem with natty global menu; it disappears behind indicators on the right when big.
[03:00] <strata_> WyattOil: no linux mint. linuxmint.org
[03:00] <celthunder> WyattOil, ? what're you looking for
[03:00] <sokuban> k, I'm not sure if I worded it bad, but how to I restart the network connection? like if I plug in a network cable? there must be some command I'm missing because I can get internet with rebooting
[03:00] <julie> ratzz, I was not designing an enterprise network, just giving a descriptive example
[03:01] <strata_> WyattOil: it's ubuntu under the hood. but looks and feels better.
[03:01] <WyattOil> ahh
[03:01] <ratzz> julie so was I.  and you jumped all over me.
[03:01] <rationalOgre> WyattOil: Arch?
[03:01] <julie> you're right
[03:01] <julie> my bad
[03:01] <WyattOil> rationalOgre: sorry?
[03:01] <ratzz> wyattoil:  i did upgrade to 11.4 and i'm quite happy.
[03:01] <rationalOgre> WyattOil: You said you were looking for options for distro's correct?
[03:01] <WyattOil> rationalOgre: yes sir
[03:01] <rationalOgre> WyattOil: Tried Arch?
[03:02] <WyattOil> ratzz:  have you tried an IPOD on 11.4?
[03:02] <WyattOil> rationalOgre: Not familar with that
[03:02] <Polah> WyattOil, Arch Linux. You could always just compile your own version of the kernel and work upwards from there.
[03:02] <ratzz> nope.  wyattoil.   seems a funny thing to stuff 11.4 into.
[03:02] <rationalOgre> WyattOil: http://www.archlinux.org/
[03:02] <RevSpecies116> Apple products are a law unto themselves, WyattOil
[03:02] <cablop> rationalOgre: why to reload it makes it work again?
[03:02] <saulotoledo> After system upgrade my system is crashing ant putting a message "panic occurred, switching back to text console". This happens when I use Skype at video calls, for example
[03:02] <WyattOil> RevSpecies116: my ipod used to work on suse 10
[03:03] <WyattOil> now .. nothing
[03:03] <rationalOgre> cablop: I was working under the assumption that the driver crashed
[03:03] <julie> saulotoledo, this is a a kernel issue
[03:03] <Polah> saulotoledo: Kernel issue. Try booting into an older version of the kernel.
[03:03] <rationalOgre> cabledid it work?
[03:03] <hpuser> WyattOil, they update the ipod?
[03:03] <rationalOgre> cablop: Sorry, did it work?
[03:03] <strata_> WyattOil: sounds like mint will work for you
[03:03] <cablop> rationalOgre: well, it is transferring again
[03:03] <RevSpecies116> WyattOil: An Apple official solution? I doubt it... So if it works that's good. If it doesn't there is none to blame :)
[03:03] <rationalOgre> cablop: *crosses fingers*
[03:04]  * hpuser waits for itunes for linux .. lol
[03:04] <ratzz> saulotoledo:  wow.  that's a video driver kind of problem.   try turning off acceleration first?
[03:04] <WyattOil> RevSpecies116: GTKPod, amarok both worked. Now nether does.  That's not a device problem...that's OS
[03:04] <rationalOgre> cablop: In the meantime, have you considered using something other than nautilus to transfer the file?
[03:04] <cablop> rationalOgre: well, it could do it... dunno
[03:04] <hpuser> WyattOil, pluuuse
[03:04] <strata_> WyattOil: install mint. use banshee. problem solved :)
[03:04] <cablop> rationalOgre: it failed when i pushed or pulled files from windows too
[03:04] <WyattOil> strata_: I'll google it
[03:04] <Polah> ratzz: Wouldn't that just cause Xorg to fail? I remember reading somewhere that the display system runs separately from the kernel so that it fails into a basic state.
[03:05] <rationalOgre> cablop: ah, yeah, then it's got to be the driver or the network card itself.
[03:05] <cablop> rationalOgre: so thinking it is not a nautilus error... and i need to browse that folder via samba... ftp wold work... slow as hell, but could work
[03:05] <rationalOgre> cablop: you could use scp or rcp
[03:05] <hpuser> if u have an ipod, use an apple computer? maybe?
[03:05] <Polah> cablop: FTP shouldn't be any slower than standard transfer
[03:05] <julie> cablop, FTP can not be slower
[03:05] <RevSpecies116> hpuser: Exactly
[03:05] <saulotoledo> julie, Polah, ratzz: Before upgrade I think I'm was running 2.6.38-8, now I have 2.6.38-10. But the message now occurs with -8, -9 and -10 versions. This confused me, why stopped working at versions before upgrade? Or I'm wrong?
[03:05] <cablop> the problem with ftp is it is harder to use
[03:05] <ratzz> polah: turning off acceleration?  no, it won't.   and it might not tickle the driver bug causing the kernel to panic.
[03:06] <cablop> not for me, but other users
[03:06] <rationalOgre> cablop: this is true
[03:06] <WyattOil> strata_:  why Mint over kubuntu?
[03:06] <alqaysar> hey
[03:06] <RevSpecies116> There is NO guarantee that ANY Apple product will work on Linux, WyattOil :)
[03:06] <hpuser> RevSpecies116, tho ... it's cool to make it work on linux anyways .. just for spit?
[03:06] <julie> saulotoledo, it might also be a kernel module problem
[03:06] <cablop> well, a filezilla in windows and vsftp on the linux would work also... mmm
[03:06] <WyattOil> RevSpecies116: Not looking for guarantee.  looking for what will work
[03:06] <celthunder> cablop, how is ftp hard to use the problem with it is it requires another service whereas scp can be done through ssh
[03:06] <Polah> ratzz: No I mean wouldn't a video driver bug cause the display system to fail, but the kernel would continue to run because they're separate? Unless they're not separate and I read wrongly somewhere.
[03:06] <ratzz> saulotoledo: because the upgrade tried to be helpful and turned on video driver feature which make your hardware upset?
[03:07] <jcordeiro> hi there
[03:07] <ratzz> polah:  they run quite tightly together and have to cooperate when switching between framebuffer and text mode and dealing with video overlays.
[03:07] <strata_> WyattOil: ubuntu is too concerned about third-party licensing and stuff
[03:07] <Polah> celthunder: SCP transfers work with two ssh clients?
[03:07] <strata_> WyattOil: mint just works
[03:07] <Polah> Celthunder: It'd also require installation of a suitable client on the Windows system.
[03:07] <jcordeiro> im using 11.04 and my last update just hanged on update-initramfs
[03:08] <celthunder> Polah, sshd and a client that uses scp
[03:08] <celthunder> Polah, winscp
[03:08] <strata_> WyattOil: blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1676
[03:08] <cablop> celthunder: mmm, not that hard, but not able to just open the folder and drag drop files
[03:08] <ratzz> "kernel module" == "video driver"
[03:08] <cablop> rationalOgre: it seems it is going to finish the transfer
[03:08] <Loaf> Polah : or for windows command line scp use pscp
[03:08] <celthunder> cablop, nah that's what samba's for...what're you trying to do i just got here as i saw "ftp is hard to use"
[03:08] <Polah> celthunder: Furthermore, SCP or SFTP could take more time as they would have to encrypt the data during transfer. If he's just sending data over a home network then encryption shouldn't be that important.
[03:08] <saulotoledo> ratzz: let me try. I have a asus 1005HA netbook, there is no xorg.conf, how can I disable hardware accel?
[03:08] <jcordeiro> Im using 11.04 and my last update just hanged on update-initramfs help!
[03:08] <rationalOgre> cablop: Ok, so, driver corruption?
[03:09] <cablop> ftp is hard to use for my siblings :P celthunder
[03:09] <julie> jcordeiro, don't restart :P
[03:09] <jcordeiro> julie:lol
[03:09] <Polah> cablop: Nautilus has a built-in FTP client type thing.
[03:09] <jcordeiro> and?
[03:09] <ratzz> look up driver params for your video driver, saulotoledo
[03:09] <cablop> rationalOgre: dunno, because that happened in the past with the other two versions of linux
[03:09] <celthunder> cablop, lol i cry for your having to live with them...i'd kill my sibling if he asked me something so stupid
[03:09] <cablop> Polah from windooooowwssss
[03:09] <kauxcb> are there any articles on how to make your linux the most secure possible?
[03:09] <jcordeiro> julie: and how do i correct this?
[03:09] <dsockwell> Is there a current HOWTO for installing xen 4.1 on Ubuntu 10.04?
[03:09] <strata_> kauxcb: yes. run bsd
[03:09] <celthunder> Polah, encrypting data takes .0000001 percent of cpu and almost no overhead
[03:09] <Polah> cablop: Ah yes, you'd have to set up an FTP server on Windows for that.
[03:10] <kauxcb> strata_: haha
[03:10] <rationalOgre> cablop: could use WinSCP from winders. You can set it to look just like windows explorer
[03:10] <kauxcb> strata_: other than that
[03:10] <cablop> from windows is hard to configure an ftp server and share files with ease for them
[03:10] <strata_> kauxcb: you can't secure linux
[03:10] <julie> jcordeiro, just like that I doubt anyone here could give you step by step instructions to fix it, sorry
[03:10] <kauxcb> no??
[03:10] <kauxcb> you cant tweak up any settings or anything?
[03:10] <Polah> celthunder: I imagine it takes a bit more than that. Depends on how much data there is and processing power.
[03:10] <cablop> and drag and drop and so on, the linux bos is the one i use only xD... except when lending them when i'm on the main machine
[03:10] <jcordeiro> julie: but whats the couse?
[03:10] <julie> jcordeiro, that's the big question
[03:10] <strata_> kauxcb: no. there are privilege escalation vulnerabilities posted nearly every day with linux kernel.
[03:11] <jcordeiro> so how do i debug it?
[03:11] <julie> jcordeiro, I would look at the boot partition
[03:11] <strata_> kauxcb: it's pointless to even try
[03:11] <celthunder> Polah, lol i might have slightly exagerated but seriously...use a bandwidth monitor and check through scp and ftp...it's not a huge difference
[03:11] <ratzz> celthunder	Polah, encrypting data takes .0000001 percent of cpu and almost no overhead  <-- no.  just no.  unless you have special hardware.
[03:11] <kauxcb> strata_: why would you suggest bsd?
[03:11] <rationalOgre> cablop: http://techie-buzz.com/how-to/install-a-ftp-server-in-windows-7.html
[03:11] <saulotoledo> ratzz: how can I do this check?
[03:11] <kauxcb> woa,,,
[03:11] <kauxcb> what the heck is goin on
[03:11] <Polah> Ratzz: Exactly. Encrypting data is fairly intensive unless I'm mistaken.
[03:11] <hpuser>                                                                                <
[03:11] <cablop> well... but because the rpoblem doesn't seem to be the samba but the nic driver on ubuntu... i don't see how it would help...
[03:11] <strata_> kauxcb: go to securityfocus.com, go to "see all vulnerabilites" and select "Linux" as a vendor. then select "BSD" as a vendor
[03:12] <jburkholder> netsplit
[03:12] <jcordeiro> kauxcb: netsplit
[03:12] <Polah> Kauxcb: Netsplit. One of the servers of freenode went down.
[03:12] <ratzz> name of video driver module, saulotoledo ?   ( use "lsmod" )
[03:12] <cablop> but in the other hand i'd like that solution
[03:12] <cablop> for other purposes
[03:12] <celthunder> ratzz, do a bandwidth monitor on the transfer and run htop...i've never once seen it increase my cpu usage above 1 percent
[03:12] <cablop> rationalOgre: then it seems it is what about the driver?
[03:12] <hpuser>                                                                                popular chan
[03:12] <ratzz> polah: you are not mistaken.  and decrypting is generally better but not by a whole huge amount.
[03:13] <julie> they should definitely create different channels by topic
[03:13] <rationalOgre> cablop: No clue, alignment of the planets? Jupiter waxing. Some dark, dusty configuration option that gets triggered on boot but not on reloading the driver?
[03:13] <Polah> Celthunder: I'm not sure how you're managing that. Processing large amounts of data for encryption and decryption is always fairly intensive.
[03:13] <ratzz> celthunder: you sure it's measuring cpu used by the drivers?  (generally accounted to the kernel itself)
[03:13] <Unknown_Monkey> hello
[03:13] <Polah> Unknown_Monkey, Hi!
[03:13] <TMechanic> hi ppl
[03:13] <rationalOgre> cablop: It's hard to tell, and unfortunately I do not have the knowhow to dig in and find exactly what's going on.
[03:13] <saulotoledo> ratzz: videodev uvcvideo, video i915 (I think could be intel generic driver here, but I'm not certainly, since the config was always automatic and I don't remember the last value I saw here)
[03:14] <julie> celthunder, just look at system CPU
[03:14] <cablop> rationalOgre: yep, something so obscure... i'm retranmsfering
[03:14] <rationalOgre> cablop: But, if the file transfer did work then we know it was the driver.
[03:14] <celthunder> ratzz, yeah i was watching overall cpu usage
[03:14] <celthunder> ratzz, i'll admit i don't have a "normal" setup though
[03:14] <Unknown_Monkey> polah: do you know how to change the text color of just a script so when it runs its green
[03:14] <cablop> rationalOgre: i'm retransfering... something on ubuntu netwrok manager? imean gnome... sigh... or not loading that driver on bootup?
[03:14] <Polah> celthunder, ratzz: Would processor usage be affected by transfer speed? A slower throughput would result in encryption occurring at a slower rate and thus being less intensive
[03:15] <julie> Polah, very little
[03:15] <saulotoledo> ratzz: lspci returns for video "Intel Corporation mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[03:15] <Polah> Unknown_Monkey, when it's running in a terminal
[03:15] <Unknown_Monkey> yes
[03:15] <celthunder> Polah, no theoretically it'd be ready to transfer before it actuall gets transferred
[03:15] <rationalOgre> cablop: Well, the driver was loaded, and when I had you unload and load it again it came back up and appears to be working
[03:15] <kauxcb> which is better for security openbsd or freebsd?
[03:15] <strata_> saulotoledo: you are running 11.04?
[03:15] <Unknown_Monkey> poal: yes
[03:15] <celthunder> kauxcb, openbsd
[03:15] <strata_> kauxcb: freebsd
[03:15] <Polah> Unknown_Monkey: No, I wouldn't know.
[03:15] <saulotoledo> stata_: yes
[03:15] <kauxcb> haha
[03:15] <ratzz> saulotoledo: the video i915 module looks promising.
[03:15] <strata_> openbsd is pure insecurity garbage
[03:16] <rationalOgre> cablop: So perhaps something in the config of Network Manager, or some dark dusty config option of some obscure thing.
[03:16] <cablop> rationalOgre: but if the nic was the faulty one, it was resting for enough time to be cold enough... then.. it'll be hw...
[03:16] <saulotoledo> strata_: yes
[03:16] <celthunder> strata_, really? i've always read the exact opposite
[03:16] <rationalOgre> cablop: True, if it's overheating that could be the case.
[03:16] <strata_> celthunder: but have you run it? have you written code for both?
[03:16] <jburkholder> all the bsds have had their share of priviledge escalation bugs
[03:16] <julie> cablop, NICs rarely overheat
[03:16] <celthunder> strata_, admittedly the only bsd i've used was bsdi from 1989/1990
[03:16] <cablop> yep..
[03:16] <rationalOgre> julie: True, but this is a pretty obscure bug to run up against.
[03:16] <cablop> but the board is old... 7 or 8 years i guess
[03:16] <ZykoticK9_> celthunder, strata_ doesn't know what they are talking about.  OpenBSD has had like 1 remote vulnerability in like 10+ years, it's crazy secure </OT>
[03:16] <cablop> k7vmz
[03:17] <strata_> all os have many flaws. linux is swiss cheese though :)
[03:17] <ratzz> Theo de Raat says there are no security vulnerabilities in OpenBSD.  and if there were, they were fixed years ago.   ;-)
[03:17] <celthunder> ZykoticK9_, thanks lol at least someone has the same info i have
[03:17] <cablop> what if.... it was loading another driver by mistake?
[03:17] <julie> I installed openBSD once 15 years ago and it was such a mess I never tried it again
[03:17] <strata_> saulotoledo: there are some issues with 11.04 and video. i have the same video card in my laptop as you. i had to turn off accelerations and stuff
[03:17] <jburkholder> things that get used more obviously have more bugs found, doesn't mean they don't exist everywhere
[03:17] <rationalOgre> cablop: Then the modprobe -r would have failed
[03:18] <FusionX> What's the channel name, where developers explain about Ubuntu-related stuff at particular times?
[03:18] <cablop> rationalOgre: right,...
[03:18] <Polah> FusionX: #ubuntu-dev?
[03:18] <julie> rationalOgre, defective hardware can often be detected
[03:18] <strata_> saulotoledo: if it really matters, try 10.04. there's a reason why they call it LTS i guess :)
[03:18] <cablop> rationalOgre: now... sigh, how to test what's on next to do/
[03:18] <cablop> ?
[03:18] <saulotoledo> strata_: How you done this?
[03:18] <celthunder> ZykoticK9_, pm?
[03:18] <FusionX> Polah: nope
[03:19] <ZykoticK9_> celthunder, sure
[03:19] <rationalOgre> cablop: well, you could keep transferring files to see if you can make it crash
[03:19] <saulotoledo> ratzz: How I can proceed?
[03:19] <rationalOgre> cablop: if that doesnt happen, try rebooting and transferring the file
[03:19] <sontek> whats the best way to get gnome-shell on 11.04
[03:19] <rationalOgre> to see if it crashes
[03:19] <strata_> saulotoledo: i had to turn off some compiz stuff. which i don't need on a laptop with a video card that can't handle it anyway.
[03:19] <rationalOgre> cablop: that will rule out 1) hardware overheating or 2) dark dusty config option somewhere
[03:19]  * cablop hopes itunes never comes to linux and will be deleted from windows and mac falls into obivlion
[03:19] <ratzz> saulotoledo:  http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting  may have some clues.  i am attempting to direct you to a full list of i915 driver parameters.
[03:20] <strata_> saulotoledo: you could also try logging in with "Ubuntu Classic" and see if unity is causing the problem
[03:20] <itaylor57> sontek, chose the classic ubuntu at login
[03:20] <cablop> rationalOgre: two transfers with no error... in the end i can end just reloading the driver in any dirty way or adding the driver to the startup
[03:21] <cablop> restarting
[03:21] <strata_> there has been this strange kernel memory exposure in netbsd for ever. i just checked 5.1 and it's still there.
[03:21] <sontek> itaylor57: thats gnome-shell?  I figured that was classic gnome2
[03:21] <strata_> that's hilarious
[03:21] <cablop> lol... now that computer is not starting !!!
[03:22] <saulotoledo> strata_, ratzz: the update installed some compiz packages... since this is a netbook, I don't need compiz, I'm purging all compiz packages
[03:22] <jburkholder> there was one bug with freebsd zero copy sockets where you could send kernel memory out the socket
[03:22] <jburkholder> at full wire speed!
[03:22] <ratzz> saulotoledo: the motherlode http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html
[03:22] <strata_> saulotoledo: yes. they are possibly what are causing your crashing
[03:23] <saulotoledo> strata_, ratzz: I have the same problem into KDE 4 (I'm was using KDE last weeks)
[03:23] <Polah> sontek: Ubuntu Classic is GNOME2. You can get 3 from a PPA but it's pretty unstable and will most likely break.
[03:23] <cablop> rationalOgre: ok, it started now and now testing the file transfer
[03:23] <sontek> Polah: I tried the gnome3 team ppa and it hosed my system, actually had to reinstall...first time I've ever had an unfixable problem in linux :P
[03:24] <strata_> i can't believe i just made a 12 hour gparted mistake
[03:24] <sontek> but Unity is broken, I launch stuff and the windows pop up behind other things
[03:24] <Polah> sontek: It broke my GNOME and Unity disappeared. I use PPA-purge to revert to 2
[03:24] <sontek> there is no way to view all the apps open of a certain type (i.e all my terminals) quickly
[03:24] <cablop> unity is the most broken think i have seen ever
[03:24] <sontek> I have to click the icon once, and it chooses a random window to open, then I click it again to get the overview
[03:24] <cablop> besides mandrake
[03:25] <LekeFly> Whats a good remote desktop server for ubuntu? the one that comes with doesnt have much options and stuff
[03:25] <sontek> LekeFly: ssh -X or vnc are both good
[03:25] <edbian> LekeFly: people generally use ssh (it's got everything you could ever need!)
[03:25] <jburkholder> strata_: ouch, I have a 6TB filesystem, I try not to mess with the tables
[03:26] <ratzz> saulotoledo: of course, "strings /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/driver/video/nameofvideodriver.ko" will provide parameter information
[03:26] <cablop> brb, afk, and then comming back with the results of this issue
[03:26] <ratzz> ouch, strata_
[03:26] <Polah> jburkholder: 6TB filesystem? How'd you manage that?
[03:27] <BiGz_> nick professor
[03:27] <jburkholder> Polah: 4 2TB drives, raid 5
[03:27] <mrdeb> why do you use raid
[03:28] <jburkholder> mrdeb: redundancy, drives fail all the time
[03:28] <ratzz> ah!  saulotoledo:  "modinfo  nameofvideodriver"  is the newer and nicer way
[03:28] <Polah> jburkholder: Ah, thought it'd be some RAID structure.
[03:28] <mrdeb> jburkholder: how about usb backup. not good enough for you?
[03:28] <Polah> mrdeb: Indeed, RAID offers data redundancy (unless it's plain RAID 0)
[03:28] <jburkholder> mrdeb: one of the drives failed not long after I bought them, I popped it out and returned it, no data lost
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[03:29] <jburkholder> mrdeb: I have a lot of data
[03:29] <Polah> mrdeb: That's not the same. RAID 1 for example has online mirroring, two drives with the same data. If one drive fails, the data is still available on the second drive. With a USB backup, you need to go and replace all that data on a new drive.
[03:29] <mrdeb> you cnt return the drives anyway
[03:29] <mrdeb> because ghey have data
[03:29] <jburkholder> huh?
[03:29] <mrdeb> you only destroy the drive
[03:29] <Polah> mrdeb: RAID is especially important for servers and whatnot in which any downtime would be critical.
[03:29] <saulotoledo> strata_, ratzz: another crash now, but now the screen is black
[03:29] <ratzz> fu u6657u spammer!
[03:30] <Polah> mrdeb: You destroy the data and then you can return it under warranty.
[03:30] <mrdeb> what is this msg about connecting to #freenode? is this spam
[03:30] <Cpt_Zyph> ok im new to trouble shooting problems in linux.. my brother in law is using natty and said from random times using usb cards.. wireless adapters.. his machine freezes up at random.. how do i go about trouble shooting this on this OS???
[03:30] <mrdeb> Polah: you cant return it ever, bec they can still recover it
[03:30] <gsr> ratzz: about 30 seconds too late :P
[03:30] <jburkholder> mrdeb: huh?  I erased it and returned it, good luck reconstructing any data from 1/4 of a raid5 array
[03:30] <ratzz> i shake my fist at u6657u, gsr
[03:30] <Polah> mrdeb: DBAN on the drive, or dd from /dev/null over the partition table and all the data.
[03:31] <ratzz> saulotoledo:  "modinfo nameofdrivermodule"  and see about lines beginning with "parm:"
[03:31] <mrdeb> jburkholder: Polah maybe
[03:32] <cyphase> does anyone else have issues with flash in chromium?
[03:32] <jburkholder> its not like I have any national secrets, anyone who wants my porn can have it
[03:32] <leigh> how do I resize my ubuntu partition to take over the free space i created in my drive?
[03:32] <edbian> leigh: Boot a live CD and use gparted.
[03:32] <edbian> leigh: How did you create free space on the drive?
[03:32] <Polah> Mrdeb: I think it's fairly impossible to recover data if you totally wipe over it and reduce any data on the drive to null.
[03:33] <jburkholder> don't fat finger it like strata_
[03:33] <leigh> i deleted a previous linux partition
[03:33] <edbian> leigh: Using a live CD?
[03:33] <mrdeb> Polah: i read it can be done. so i recommend destroying or burning drives
[03:33] <leigh> no i used the disk utility in ubuntu
[03:33] <saulotoledo> ratzz: modeset:int, fbpercrtc:int, powersave:int, semaphores:int, i915_enable_rc6:int, lvds_downclock:int, ldvs_use_ssc:int, reset:bool
[03:34] <Polah> mrdeb: It's impossible to recover data if it's totally destroyed. It's doubly impossible if you want to do two passes. You can't read data if it isn't there.
[03:34] <ratzz> polah: the recommended method involves disassembly and sandpaper.
[03:34] <Cpt_Zyph> so what log files can i get off ubuntu in order to trouble shoot random lock ups for my friend??
[03:34] <Polah> Ratzz: You forgot a pass with a magnet and a microwave
[03:34] <edbian> leigh: Ahh.  You can't edit the partitions you're mounted on.  You want to edit root.  Unfortunately it is impossible to unmount root.  You have to use a live CD
[03:34] <mrdeb> Polah: thre are magnetic traces
[03:34] <toad`> hi
[03:34] <ratzz> no, no magnet.  the underlying disc is aluminum.
[03:34] <edbian> leigh: Do you have more than one partition?  (what was the other distro) ?
[03:34] <toad`> I have a problem
[03:34] <edbian> toad`: What is it?
[03:34] <toad`> if anyone would like to focus their attention on me
[03:35] <Polah> Ratzz: The storage media is magnetic.
[03:35] <leigh> the other distro was mint 10
[03:35] <toad`> I installed arping in 10.04, and it conflicts with iproute2
[03:35] <toad`> apparently
[03:35] <toad`> so
[03:35] <ratzz> that's what the sandpaper is for my friend.
[03:35] <Polah> mrdeb: Not if you want to do anything more than single pass.
[03:35] <toad`> I need to reconfigure ifconfig
[03:35] <Cpt_Zyph> vlc player locks up constantly as well as when using his portable HD or thumb drives.. streaming video.. kind of at a loss..?? not sure how to trouble shoot this for him in ubuntu.. still making the admin switch from windows..
[03:35] <mrdeb> Polah: what
[03:35] <toad`> the problemis, after installing arping, it conflits with iproute2 and removes NetworkManager
[03:35] <Polah> Ratzz: Pass with a magnet and and stick it in a microwave would randomise the magnetic domains. Then you sandpaper the storage media off and shatter the disk
[03:35] <edbian> leigh: You didn't like it?
[03:36] <leigh> no, it was an XFC or something like that and I couldnt personalize it the way i wanted
[03:36] <ratzz> the bits of sand left embedded in the disc is enough to ruin the heads of anyone trying to read it later.
[03:36] <saulotoledo> Polah, ratzz: Are you talking about recover data from lost discs?
[03:36] <jburkholder> this discussion about disk destroying is pretty useless, some people have real ubuntu problems
[03:36] <Polah> saulotoledo: Yes.
[03:36] <nit-wit> #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:36] <ratzz> no. destroying it beyond all hope of recovery.
[03:37] <nit-wit> please
[03:37] <ratzz> but a thorough scrubbing with sandpaper is needed to leave as little magnetic material as possible.
[03:37] <saulotoledo> Polah, ratzz: Well, I really need some of this infos too, I will ask you some days about :P
[03:38] <jburkholder> toad': you might need to email the package managers
[03:38] <Polah> saulotoledo: A pass with a neodymium magnet and a quick microwave should destroy your data. Disassembly and sandpapering the platters will physically destroy the storage media.
[03:38] <ratzz> saulotoledo: i've seen a booting with kernel param  i915.modeset=0  may help.   the info about modeset is as you've seen via "modinfo"
[03:38] <saulotoledo> ratzz: that was all my params, it's activated yet?
[03:38] <cablop> rationalOgre: well, after restart it failed
[03:38] <rationalOgre> cablop: so
 so what do I need to do to use my entire drive?
[03:39] <rationalOgre> cablop: a script in /etc/init.d/ to modprobe -r then modprobe the driver, perhaps?
[03:39] <cablop> rationalOgre: restarted the driver and testing again
[03:39] <jburkholder> toad: any chance you can upgrade your distribution, might be handled better in a newer version?
[03:39] <saulotoledo> ratzz: ok, where I do this change?
[03:39] <ratzz> you microwave will not like a metal disc inside while operating.  try to ignore the giant plasma-like arcs.
[03:39] <rationalOgre> cablop: sorry, I had to AFK a moment ago to pack my son up to go spend the night at a friends house.
[03:39] <saulotoledo> ratzz: directily at grub?
[03:39] <tyler_d> where (in the file-system) are the startup apps controlled from
[03:40] <rationalOgre> tyler_d: /etc/rc*
[03:40] <tyler_d> I checked /etc/rc1-7.d to no avail
[03:40] <ratzz> saulotoledo: yes.  add it on the end of the kernel boot line
[03:40] <tyler_d> rationalOgre: try again?
[03:40] <Polah> ratzz: Indeed it won't. Don't do it inside, don't do it with a new/expensive microwave, don't leave it in there for more than a few seconds.
[03:40] <itaylor57> !upstart | tyler_d
[03:40] <saulotoledo> ratzz: ok! restarting the system to try it manually
[03:40] <ratzz> saulotoledo: manually at first.  by hand.
[03:40] <tyler_d> ty itaylor57
[03:41] <jburkholder> alas, poor init
[03:41] <cablop> rationalOgre: yes i was thinking in that or to check what file loads the driver
[03:41] <cablop> what file loads the kernel drivers?
[03:41] <Scunizi> How do I test for lag on my internet connecton?  It seems to intermittently slow down for short periods of time.
[03:41] <ratzz> cablop:  the documentation for modprobe will help
[03:41] <nit-wit> ratzz, Polah nice your IP on the net open within the context, write me from jal will you.;)
[03:41] <nit-wit> *jail
[03:41] <cablop> ratzz: thanks
[03:42] <rationalOgre> cablop: udev I believe
[03:42] <Polah> nit-wit: Super cool guys only. How do you plan to get me put in jail? (:
[03:42] <ratzz> udev has to do with the naming of devices rationalOgre
[03:42] <rationalOgre> I use Arch Linux as well and occasionally information bleeds between the two, apologies if I mess up
[03:43] <ratzz> i doubt i have done anything which could be considered jail-worthy by a judge
[03:43] <nit-wit> Polah, I don't have to you are doing it yourself, or at the least seems suspicious, to somebody, not me but just saying.;)
[03:43] <Polah> nit-wit: It's suspicious for me to NOT hide my IP on an IRC network?
[03:43] <Polah> nit-wit: Surely it'd be more suspicious for me to be attempting to hide it?
[03:43] <cablop> it seems it is on /etc/modules ...
[03:44] <saulotoledo> ratzz: boot done, but my screen resolution is wrong. I will need manually create xorg.conf?
[03:44] <nit-wit> Polah, you are missing the point your conversation is off topic have a little consideration eh.:)
[03:45] <pepinito> Someone here that has some experience with valgrind --tool=cachegrind? No matter what I do in my program, I keep getting the same D refs and D misses.
[03:45] <saulotoledo> ratzz: about the test, I can't confirm for now, nobody to test with me at skype :_(
[03:45] <ratzz> saulotoledo: manually creating the X config file is not a good idea.  far too much typing, if nothing else.
[03:45] <cablop> rationalOgre: nope, it failed after reloading the driver... then it seems it is a hw failure
[03:45] <ratzz> saulotoledo: doesn't skype have a self-test mode?  so you can check your camera and mic are working?
[03:46] <rationalOgre> cablop: I guess so.
[03:46] <thegoodcushion> How do I tell my Ubuntu not to ask for password after wake from suspend?
[03:46] <cablop> then, go for screwdriver and patiente
[03:46]  * cablop cablop> modprob patiente
[03:47] <rationalOgre> cablop: best of luck to yo
[03:47] <rationalOgre> *you
[03:47] <cablop> thanks
[03:47] <saulotoledo> ratzz: the self test do not open a video, only the audio return. And my system is running with 800x600 and do not detected my system resolutions, there are some way to create xorg.conf?
[03:47] <cablop> and i liked all that commands to test drivers and so on... do you have a link on that topic? willing to learn something more
[03:47] <robin0800> thegoodcushion, ubuntu-tweak unsuported! can
[03:48] <jburkholder> thegoodcushion: in screensaver preferences there's a Lock screen when screensaver is active checkbox, try turning that off?
[03:48] <thegoodcushion> jburkholder, already have done
[03:48] <thegoodcushion> that's not it
[03:48] <rationalOgre> cablop: Most of that was trial and error. Funny enough, and I hope I don't get crucified for saying this, setting up an Arch Linux install taught me most of what I was doing there.
[03:48] <thegoodcushion> And my Ubuntu doesn't ask for password on boot
[03:48] <jburkholder> I think I tried the same and couldn't figure it out
[03:49] <ratzz> depends on the distro saulotoledo.  should be the same thing as setting it up during installation.  is there an Administrator Settings utility?
[03:49] <rationalOgre> cablop: I learned a ton about linux in general setting up Arch
[03:49] <cablop> :)
[03:49] <cablop> hehe, go for gentoo now!!
[03:49] <cablop> OL, never xD
[03:49] <rationalOgre> And most of the skills translate to Ubuntu, with some exceptions. (like Upstart instead of a BSD style Init
[03:49] <|Anthony|> any idea if gdm and consolekit will ever support multi-seat set ups again
[03:49] <jburkholder> bleh, just use ubuntu
[03:50] <robin0800> jb try ubuntu-tweak that can do what you want and much more besides
[03:50] <ratzz> thegoodcushion: i know there's another place to set the restore from RAM/disk security. similar to the screensaver.  try power management section?
[03:50] <rationalOgre> cablop: One day I may try out Gentoo. For now tho I'm happy with my ubuntu laptop and my Arch server.
[03:50] <saulotoledo> ratzz: the gnome monitor preferences do not detect the resolutions. There are another utility?
[03:50] <robin0800> jburkholder,  try ubuntu-tweak that can do what you want and much more besides
[03:50]  * rationalOgre 's server runs his minecraft server. :D
[03:50] <jburkholder> robin0800: I have kids, need my screen to lock when I leave it
[03:51] <cablop> i'm loving my ubuntu netbook... runs fast and make it works like a laptop xD
[03:51] <ratzz> does ubuntu use sax2 ?
[03:51]  * cablop despite the small screen
[03:51] <Polah> thegoodcushion: A boot password wouldn't be part of Ubuntu, you'd need to set that in your BIOS if it supports it.
[03:52] <rationalOgre> cablop: cool. :)
[03:52] <thegoodcushion> Polah, no I mean a login password
[03:52] <thegoodcushion> it autologs in to my account
[03:52] <jburkholder> ratzz: umm?  for what?
[03:52] <Polah> thegoodcushion: Oh. You can disable that in the Login Screen settings you know.
[03:52] <ratzz> saulotoledo: "sudo Xorg -configure"
[03:53] <Kill-Joy> hey, what's the command that let's me know my ip, dns, hostmask, etc ??
[03:53] <robin0800> jburkholder, that is a menu entry to lock screen
[03:53] <Polah> Kill-Joy: ifconfig
[03:53] <thegoodcushion> Polah, yeah but what about wake from suspend?  How do I turn off asking for a password then?
[03:53] <Kill-Joy> seems ifconfig only gave me the first three numbers..
[03:54] <Polah> thegoodcushion: I think using the actual suspend commands would just suspend it without locking your screen first.
[03:54] <Polah> thegoodcushion: pm-suspend, pm-hibernate, pm-suspend-hybrid
[03:54] <jburkholder> thegoodcushion: someone suggested ubuntu-tweak, try that?
[03:54] <robin0800> thegoodcushion, you use ubuntu-tweak
[03:55] <ratzz> saulotoledo: and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[03:55] <cablop> the unique bad thing about ubuntu in the netbook was the full disk encryption... but setting many encrypted partitions seemed to solve it.... the issue is kcrypt spawns just one process per partition, then becomming a bottleneck, multiple partitions each one with its own kcryptd anv oila
[03:55] <thegoodcushion> ubuntu-tweak isn't in the repos
[03:56] <saulotoledo> ratzz, Polah, strata_ and others: well, today I will stop here. Really thanks for your help. I will save this log and back tomorrow when I can test the video call again and the crash.
[03:56] <edbian> thegoodcushion: open gconf-editor
[03:56] <ratzz> thegoodcushion: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2061391&postcount=4
[03:56] <edbian> thegoodcushion: I think I found it.
[03:57] <Kill-Joy> yeah, ifconfig is not giving me dns servers
[03:57] <edbian> thegoodcushion: I found that key that ratzz just posted.
[03:57] <jburkholder> Kill-Joy: /etc/resolv.conf
[03:57] <poobird> can someone help me getting pptpd working?
[03:57] <ratzz> kill-joy  ifconfig doesn't give you dns servers   /etc/resolv.conf does
[03:57] <Kill-Joy> aaah thank you
[03:58] <poobird> can someone help me getting pptpd working?
[03:58] <Siph0n> when I try to add a row in iptables, it seems like it works (doesnt give an error), but than I do iptables --list , and i dont see anything. Any ideas? Here is the command I am using : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --destination-port 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 10000
[03:59] <edbian> Siph0n: I think that sudo iptables --list does not show the 'prerouting' table
[03:59] <poobird> does anyone know much about pptpd?
[03:59] <Logan_> !anyone | poobird
[03:59] <Siph0n> edbian, correct
[03:59] <slakcphil> poobird, what's the problem?
[03:59] <edbian> Siph0n: so your rule won't show up there :P
[03:59] <Siph0n> edbian, how do i add that table ?
[04:00] <eman99> Hello. I am using apache cgi script to run a bash script. The script sends a single character out to a serial port. It works in bash but not from my apache cgi folder. The file is:
[04:00] <eman99> #!/bin/bash
[04:00] <eman99> stty ispeed 9600 ospeed 9600 -F /dev/ttyS1
[04:00] <eman99> echo "A">/dev/ttyS1
[04:00] <eman99> OUTPUT="$(date)"
[04:00] <FloodBot1> eman99: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:00] <Haraken> how do i install java on ubuntu 11.04
[04:00] <edbian> Siph0n: To view it?  Hang on
[04:00] <Logan_> !java | Haraken
[04:00] <poobird> not sure i can connect to my vpn.. im trying to use pptpd
[04:00] <poobird> cant*
[04:00] <jburkholder> !java
[04:00] <Haraken> Logan_, I didn't see anything
[04:00] <Haraken> ah thanks
[04:00] <poobird> i think it has to do with routing
[04:00] <slakcphil> poobird, pptpd is the server?
[04:00] <poobird> or my dhcp
[04:01] <poobird> ya
[04:01] <slakcphil> and you cannot connect?
[04:01] <poobird> no
[04:01] <Siph0n> edbian, nm, think i got it.. its the nat table, and i googled how to view that table : iptables -t nat -L
[04:01] <slakcphil> what are you using for a client config etc...
[04:01] <poobird> i have my router takeing care of my shcp
[04:01] <edbian> Siph0n: sudo iptables -L PREROUTING
[04:01] <poobird> for client just nm
[04:01] <edbian> Siph0n: That too according to the man page
[04:01] <poobird> network manager
[04:02] <edbian> Siph0n: That is the example in the man page under -L   You should probably read the man page instead of asking others to read it for you :P
[04:02] <slakcphil> what type of error do you get? i have not used nm yet...
[04:02] <robin0800> eman99, did you make the script executable
[04:02] <poobird> no error, just cant connect
[04:02] <slakcphil> have you checked the ports and all that good stuff?
[04:03] <slakcphil> nc -v -w 3 host.com 443
[04:03] <poobird> i got my router taking care of dhcp, so do i need to setup some kind of dhcp server on the pc im vpning into?
[04:03] <Siph0n> edbian, ok thx.
[04:03] <eman99> yes
[04:03] <eman99> it does execute
[04:03] <edbian> Siph0n: sure
[04:03] <tyler_d> what is the name of teh alsa sound control? mine has dissapeared from the panel(unity enabled)
[04:04] <slakcphil> yeah with nat or something
[04:04] <thegoodcushion> oh this Ubuntu Tweak is goooooood
[04:04] <eman99> it even put out the webpage when i echoed the mime line and a basic hello workd webpage
[04:04] <slakcphil> i use openvpn
[04:04] <slakcphil> openvpn_as
[04:04] <slakcphil> it is almost too easy
[04:04] <poobird> thx ill check that out
[04:05] <slakcphil> it covers up to 2 users plus an admin without purchase of liscense
[04:05] <whytehorse> Is this an appropriate channel for help with Ubuntu on Amazon enterprise cloud?
[04:05] <slakcphil> license
[04:05] <rationalOgre> tyler_d: alsa-mixer?
[04:06] <smw> whytehorse, you have many options. Here, ##aws and ##ubuntu-cloud
[04:06] <robin0800> thegoodcushion, yes it is but remember it is unsupported and Ubuntu don't like it
[04:06] <smw> whytehorse, #ubuntu-cloud *
[04:07] <nawk> does anyone know which package is lsinitrd is part of?
[04:07] <smw> whytehorse, although, #ubuntu-cloud probably has quite a bit of overlap in people as here ;-)
[04:07] <whytehorse> thank you
[04:08] <dforthman-Mobile> hi
[04:08] <jonesst1> apt-ache search lsinitrd  ?
[04:08] <jonesst1> apt-cache
[04:09] <churly> Im looking for a black gtk2 theme that actually works.  So far the ones I've tried have all had some major failings (can't see stuff, black on black)
[04:11] <Haraken> how do I set google chrome as the preferred browser?  It is not in the drop down list that can be seen from System>preferences> preferred applications
[04:13] <almoxarife> Haraken: in chrome itself
[04:13] <c2tarun> Haraken, well it is in preferred applications
[04:13] <jburkholder> Haraken: I have it listed in the dropdown also
[04:13] <nawk> does anyone know which package is lsinitrd is part of?
[04:14] <almoxarife> nawk: an opensuse one?
[04:14] <Haraken> almoxarife, I've set mine as default browser from the actual browser but that doesn't seem to do the trick
[04:14] <Kill-Joy> hmm..seems running resolv.conf is not giving me dns servers?
[04:15] <nawk> whichever one on ubuntu
[04:15] <nawk> almoxarife, I need to unpack and dig into an initramfs
[04:16] <cryptodira> the fine folks at toshiba tell me that the failure of the backlit keyboard operating beyond POST is a problem with ubuntu.....anyone here have a solution for making the backlit keyboard light up after POST ??   ( amd/64 10.10 satellite notebook)
[04:16] <almoxarife> Haraken: I see chromium as a preferred app, not sure why you don't see it
[04:16] <Kill-Joy> uh... what if resolv.conf only gives me one name server?
[04:17] <Haraken> I'm guessing it is possible mine isn't showing up because I didn't install from the ubuntu repository
[04:17] <almoxarife> Kill-Joy: name servers are not configured in resolv.conf , the file is autocreated by the network manager
[04:18] <almoxarife> Haraken: that may do it.
[04:18] <Kill-Joy> ah, right..
[04:18] <Kill-Joy> a really stupid question.. are dns server numbers the same for all computers.. i.e. going through the same router ?
[04:18] <celthunder> they can be or can be different
[04:19] <almoxarife> Kill-Joy: 'numbers'?
[04:19] <jonesst1> dns server numbers? you mean IP addresses?
[04:19] <Kill-Joy> yes
[04:19] <Kill-Joy> lol
[04:19] <slakcphil> Kill-Joy, as root...        echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf
[04:19] <jonesst1> routers dont determine an application usually
[04:19] <celthunder> Kill-Joy, if you use the dhcp servers dns servers yeah they're all probably the same
[04:19] <celthunder> Kill-Joy, use <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:20] <Kill-Joy> all right..
[04:20] <aGrizzly> So I've installed Ubuntu x64 11.04 on my desktop, but I'm unable to get my sound card or graphics card to work.
[04:20] <almoxarife> Kill-Joy: an IP is an IP unless it's a lan IP
[04:20] <Kill-Joy> all right..
[04:21] <slakcphil> aGrizzly paste lspci and dmesg
[04:21] <jburkholder> nawk: do you have initrd.img?  its a cpio archive, maybe gzipped too
[04:21] <aGrizzly> slakcphil: It's kind of long
[04:21] <gears> hello
[04:22] <jburkholder> haha
[04:22] <slakcphil> aGrizzly, in paste bin
[04:22] <gears> this is the first irc iv ever joined lol
[04:22] <gears> >.> how does it work
[04:22] <Azelphur> gears: seems you figured it out already, otherwise you wouldn't be communicating with us
[04:22] <aGrizzly> Derp...
[04:22] <gears> well its simple
[04:22] <slakcphil> :)
[04:23] <gears> but is this there is all to it
[04:23] <jburkholder> this is pretty much it
[04:23] <Azelphur> gears: no, go read a book.
[04:23] <gears> >.>
[04:23] <gears> so you guys use ubuntu
[04:23] <almoxarife> I got a money tree with mine
[04:23] <nawk> hi jburkholder, I am having a hell of a problem with booting natty after a fresh install.  particularly, the system reboots everytime after loading '/scripts/local-bottom' and '/scripts/init-bottom'
[04:23] <nawk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWT_pJdiCeE
[04:23] <nawk> jburkholder, take a look (it's only 30 secs long)
[04:24] <jburkholder> nawk: natty is what? 11.04?
[04:24] <cryptodira> the fine folks at toshiba tell me that the failure of the backlit keyboard lighting up beyond POST is a problem with ubuntu.....anyone here have a solution for making the backlit keyboard light up after POST ??   ( amd/64 10.10 satellite notebook)
[04:24] <gears> anyone know any good addons for web design wth ubuntu
[04:24] <Azelphur> gears: there are thousands of IRC servers, each can have thousands of IRC channels, and even more users. If it exists, there's probably a channel for it, somewhere. :)
[04:24] <gears> my ubuntu wont play sound does anyone know a fix for that
[04:24] <capleton> Hi everyone, this is a little beyond my level... Could someone tell me why this HD keeps on failing?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/621437/
[04:24] <nawk> jburkholder: yes, actually, after the installation it will boot into ubuntu (unity desktop) with no problem, all subsequent boots fails
[04:25] <Haraken> ok yeah so installing chrome from the ubuntu repository seemed to do the trick
[04:25] <nawk> jburkholder, i need to dig into initramfs to determine whether if it is in fact a hardware (ssd) issue.  (what's strange is that I don't have this problem prior to 11.04)
[04:25] <jburkholder> nawk: wierd
[04:26] <gears> so how do you start your own IRC
[04:26] <l0lcat> hey, i am on live now. i want to dual boot ubuntu with windows 7. but it wouldn't detect that i has a Windows loader.
[04:26] <brown_fern> gears: Yes, I run Ubuntu. Do you have a question? there is also a #ubuntu-beginners and an offtopic channel. I don't mean to sound off-putting.
[04:26] <l0lcat> i think i can solve that by being a superuser, but, idk the pass
[04:26] <jburkholder> nawk: lsinitrd seems to not be able available as a package?  I saw an rpm on google, google harder?
[04:26] <Itqan> hi
[04:27] <RPG-Master> I'm thinking about getting an Wireless N router. Does Ubuntu work well with N?
[04:27] <Itqan> i have ubuntu 11.04, what if i say i dont like the unity interface and want gnome one back?
[04:27] <almoxarife> RPG-Master: NO,
[04:27] <RPG-Master> almoxarife: D:
[04:27] <nawk> jburkholder, :p
[04:27] <RPG-Master> almoxarife: Whats the problem?
[04:27] <jburkholder> nawk: get hardware that works
[04:27] <almoxarife> RPG-Master: but if you figure it out tell me
[04:28] <gears> <.< so does anyone know how to fix ubuntu if its not playing sound
[04:28] <RPG-Master> almoxarife: Not droppin' money on something I have to fight with. :/
[04:28] <thegoodcushion> Itqan, then you will be publicly flogged.  No, log in to Ubuntu Classic interface and it will be back to normal
[04:28] <l0lcat> ugh, thanks
[04:29] <RPG-Master> So, anyone have any recommendations for a wireless G router with good range?
[04:29] <aGrizzly> Alright.
[04:29] <aGrizzly> Second try.
[04:29] <aGrizzly> Here is my lspci and dmesg - Not sure how to get my sound/video card to be accepted.
[04:29] <aGrizzly> http://pastebin.com/213gUkKi
[04:29] <icewolf> hello
[04:29] <l0lcat> ok, i'll try again asking.
[04:29] <jburkholder> RPG-Master: wrt54g, big antennas
[04:29] <icewolf> anybody in
[04:29] <capleton> HD problems, could anyone help?    http://paste.ubuntu.com/621437/
[04:29] <gears> so is puppy linux anygood
[04:30] <ryan17> hey I really need some help here. How can I see what my password is when logged in?
[04:30] <hypetech> ryan17: you can't
[04:30] <jburkholder> gears: no only ubuntu is any good
[04:30] <hypetech> you could look in the /etc/shadow file and get the hash, but that won't do you much good if you have a decent password
[04:30] <gears> what about debian lol
[04:30] <cryptodira> the fine folks at toshiba tell me that the failure of the backlit keyboard lighting up beyond POST is a problem with ubuntu.....anyone here have a solution for making the backlit keyboard light up after POST ??   ( amd/64 10.10 satellite notebook)
[04:30] <ryan17> I changed it and can't remember it exactly, somehow was able to log in
[04:31] <RPG-Master> jburkholder: Thanks. :)
[04:31] <l0lcat> Ubuntu 11.04 does not detect that I have a windows 7 loader. it just detects the whole drive, leaving me the option
[04:31] <l0lcat> to Erase the Whole Drive, and make ur own partition (which does the same thing, does not detect the partitions)
[04:31] <celestius> so i'm running the windows installer on what claims to be an intel 64-bit machine, but it's d/ling the amd64 torrent.
[04:31] <hypetech> ryan17: somehow? well if you can somehow remember it one more time, you can just change it again with passwd
[04:31] <jburkholder> RPG-Master: I use openwrt on mine, works great
[04:31] <celestius> is this expected behavior?
[04:31] <ryan17> yea
[04:31] <digbit> celestius, thats the proper file disgard the AMD part
[04:31] <ZykoticK9_> celestius, amd64 works on intel 64 CPUs
[04:31] <ryan17> see, the thing is its a long one, and I might of spelled it wrong or something
[04:32] <celestius> ah ok
[04:32] <celestius> cool ty all
[04:32] <Itqan> <thegoodcushion oh darn my english skill. i did not mean i want devs to remove unity interface form ubuntu i meant "i dont like unity interface coz it works lil buggy for me so how do i switch back to gnome one"?
[04:32] <hypetech> ryan17: reboot into single user mode and change your password without knowing the current one
[04:32] <Itqan> :P
[04:32] <l0lcat> T_T
[04:32]  * l0lcat is being ignored
[04:32] <ryan17> i tried that before but it required me to loging to root with it
[04:32] <thegoodcushion> Itqan, at the login screen, select Ubuntu Classic
[04:32] <rodgerr> I upgraded to 11 and It worked for a few weeks although it always said that it "out of range errors". It would seem to reset after the out of range error. Today it comes up with "out of range" and then it dies in a black screen.  I am able to boot to an old disk of 9 which is how I am connecting to the forum.  The disk utility in 9 says the main disk is healthy.
[04:33] <hypetech> ryan17: you're pretty much out of luck then as far as I know
[04:33] <Itqan> thegoodcushion ty ill try that
[04:33] <ryan17> k
[04:33] <ZykoticK9_> rodgerr, "out of range" is typically a Monitor message, saying it cannot display the resolution/refresh that you've set
[04:34] <jburkholder> nawk: is this was freebsd I'd say hookup a serial console and use kernel gdb, dunno how to do that with linux
[04:34] <ryan17> I'll keep typing away in the user settings and hope i hit it
[04:34] <rodgerr> But nothing else changed and it was displaying until today.  I think there was an update today but that was the only change.
[04:35] <bullgard4> '~$ sudo apt-get update' obtains as the first line: "Ign http://extras.ubuntu.com natty InRelease." What does 'InRelease' mean?
[04:36] <Itqan> i have another small query i have installed ubutu with wubi, cant i access the files of te drive i installed ubuntu in
[04:36] <rodgerr> ZykoticK9 Can I update / fix the MBR on the main disk without touching the rest of the disk?  The only thing on that disk is ubuntu 11 which was updated from 10 thought the update program.
[04:37] <ZykoticK9_> !tab > rodgerr
[04:37] <ZykoticK9_> rodgerr, yes to reinstall MBR see the !grub2 factoid link
[04:37] <ZykoticK9_> !grub2 > rodgerr
[04:37] <tsimpson> rodgerr: you can modify the MBR without changing the rest of the disk, but it should be done from a live CD or USB if it has any mounted partitions
[04:38] <cryptodira> the fine folks at toshiba tell me that the failure of the backlit keyboard lighting up beyond POST is a problem with ubuntu.....anyone here have a solution for making the backlit keyboard light up after POST ??   ( amd/64 10.10 satellite notebook)
[04:38] <somethinginteres> I've recently purchased a Toshiba NB5550D netbook, which doesn't have as good battery life as my previous netbook. I've read about lesswatts.org in an effort to maximise the life of the netbook on battery power but am wondering if there's a script of some kind for 11.04 that applies the recommended setting automatically?
[04:38] <capleton> Can anyone here troubleshoot dmesg logs?
[04:39] <rodgerr> Going to try to rename monitor.xml first - BRB
[04:39] <vitao> hi, somone pls could help me? i have instaled a windows 7 partition and im trying to install ubuntu after that, i have to separated partitions ready for ubuntu, the problem is that ubuntu shows a crazy partitioning system diferent from windows that show all the partitions without problem, someone experienced that?
[04:39] <jburkholder> capleton: is there a problem that you're having?
[04:39] <mutant> anyone have any luck installing a Brother scanner (networked) with brsaneconfig2?
[04:39] <mutant> I am getting an error "Invalid Model Name"
[04:40] <capleton> jburkholder: yeah, an external hd is failing intermittently, and I would love to know if there is anything I can do to fix it
[04:40] <capleton> jburkholder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/621437/
[04:40] <bullgard4> capleton: To troubleshoot dmesg logs may be a huge task. You better put here in this channel a more specific question about one or two lines in dmesg output which are of interest to you.
[04:41] <jburkholder> capleton: what's the problem with the disk?
[04:41] <capleton> bullgard4: if I understood more of what was in the dmesg log I would :/    I'll see if I can't find anything with the hd
[04:42] <aGrizzly>  nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[04:42] <capleton> jburkholder: The red light on the external HD will go on, and it will no longer be connectable.  I have to turn the drive off and back on again to get it to work
[04:42] <aGrizzly> nvidia 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A -> Link[AXV5] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[04:42] <Ghost_Who_Walks> guys what does this command do "sudo unity --distro"
[04:42] <jburkholder> capleton: did you try a different enclosure?
[04:43] <jburkholder> capleton: probably replace either the enclosure or the disk or both
[04:43] <capleton> jburkholder: I'll give it a shot
[04:43] <capleton> Thanks for the help
[04:44] <capleton> :)
[04:44] <jburkholder> no problem
[04:45] <brown_fern> vitao: do you mean the way in which the drives and partitions are named? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_file_system#Naming_conventions
[04:46] <cryptodira> the fine folks at toshiba tell me that the failure of the backlit keyboard lighting up beyond POST is a problem with ubuntu.....anyone here have a solution for making the backlit keyboard light up after POST ??   ( amd/64 10.10 satellite notebook)
[04:46] <widewake> Hello, my comp janitor seems to be broken, i launch it and the window is empty, i really need to clean my comp, i tried reinstalling it did not help
[04:47] <widewake> ---| Hello, my comp janitor seems to be broken, i launch it and the window is empty, i really need to clean my comp, i tried reinstalling it did not help
[04:48] <jburkholder> I don't understand any of that