[09:01] <otubo> smoser, Hey, do you know if this was merged at some point? https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/fix/1788915-vlan-sysconfig-rendering
[09:01] <otubo> smoser, looks like we have an issue on RHEL that could benefit from this fix.
[09:03] <otubo> smoser, I mean, I can't find the exact commit entry on the log, but perhaps it was merged as a different title on github, I don't know
[10:00] <Zador> Hello creme de la creme ! :)
[10:08] <Zador> Can we use passowrd hash to implement Linux instance AD domain join ?
[12:01] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, quick ping for PR 428 to make sure it does not get closed to inactivity :-) thanks for the reviews!
[12:41] <Zador> hello everyone !
[13:03] <Zador> any Guru in the channel ?
[13:05] <Zador> I want to know if it's possible to use password hash to implement Linux AD integration
[13:05] <Zador> ?
[13:08] <ananke> not sure how that's related to cloud-init
[13:09] <Zador> we need to join the AD domain using admin credentials
[13:10] <Zador> and I was wondering if it's possible to use password hash to automate and secure the domain join
[13:11] <Zador> or if you have any suggestion/doc or use case of cloud-init and AD integration
[13:11] <Zador> thank you ananke !
[13:16] <ananke> you may want to check in ##linux, or a distro specific channel, there may be tools already present in your distro of choice.
[13:18] <Zador> alright thanks
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Thanks for the ping!  I've removed the tag, so it should have another 14 days of grace (and I would hope I'd get to it before then!).
[13:37] <Odd_Bloke> Zador: ananke is correct: cloud-init doesn't have any specific Active Directory integration.  You'll want to look into how to configure this using your distro's available tooling.  Once you have some scripting that works for it, then you could look into having cloud-init run that by passing it as user-data.
[14:09] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, thanks :)
[15:22] <amansi26> blackboxsw_: We have some modules specific to a particular platform, what should be procedure to contribute a new module in the cloud-init ? Is there any restriction on doing so? I came across this document https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html . Wanted to confirm is there anything apart from that is needed to contribute?
[16:02] <meena> what *is* HiBee?
[17:19] <AnhVoMSFT> @Odd_Bloke @rharper Is is possible to disable network configuration of cloud-init from user-data (network: config: disabled)
[17:32] <AnhVoMSFT> I guess not, from cloud-init doc: "User-data cannot change an instance’s network configuration."
[17:35] <blackboxsw_> AnhVoMSFT: sorry right, it is either from /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/* file that contains "network:\n config: disabled" or kernel commandline params provided like "network-config=disabled"
[17:36] <blackboxsw_> also note if providing kernel cmdline params that any network config can be provided directly via kernel cmdline "network-config=<any-base64-encoded-networkYAML>"
[17:36] <blackboxsw_> per commitish https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/commit/1d2dfc5d879dc905f440697c2b805c9485dda821
[17:38] <blackboxsw_> user-data (cloud-config) is processed too late to disable network config I believe (so even emitting a write_files: - /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/disable-net.cfg with the right content I *think* will still not disable networking until after a cloud-init clean --reboot
[19:12] <tt_> Hello, is it possible to have cloud-init run a script on first boot of a machine on aws without needing to pass it in via user-data? I would ideally like to make an ami with the script already there in the proper place.
[19:18] <tt_> Is it as simple as dropping the script into scripts/per-instance? https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#scripts-per-instance
[19:20] <blackboxsw_> tt_: if you want first-boot only, you would drop them in https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#scripts-per-once
[19:22] <blackboxsw_> if you want them to run each time the platform tells you that this instance is "new" (maybe redeployed from a cloned AMI) then you would use scripts-per-instance
[19:22] <blackboxsw_> Odd_Bloke: I think I got you some good questions comment on the oracle branch https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/493#pullrequestreview-462784349
[19:22] <blackboxsw_> thanks for all the work there
[19:22] <tt_> @blac
[19:27] <tt_> blackboxsw_: Awesome, thank you. Would the user-data script example here(https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/instancedata.html#using-instance-data) work if I put it in scripts/per-instance or scripts/per-once?
[19:27] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw_: Ack, thanks, will take a look!
[19:46] <blackboxsw_> tt_: no prob. Hrm I'll have to check if scripts-per-* actually handles jinja templates for those scipts.
[19:46] <blackboxsw_> checking now . If not, then your script would likely be able to run `cloud-init query <somekey>` and react to the values in that output
[19:48] <cut> is cloud-init supposed to stay installed for the lifetime of the vm? or can i have it uninstall itself after firstboot when it sets everything up?
[19:49] <blackboxsw_> cut: if cloud-init is uninstalled, it can't re-run if the vm is rebooted and instance-data (the metadata provided by the cloud platform) changes across reboot. So your VMs would be missing out on any potntial configuration changes that are supposed to affect the system if provided by the platform.
[19:50] <blackboxsw_> so, it depends, some platforms don't to any configuratin across vm boots, others "may"
[19:50] <cut> thanks
[19:51] <blackboxsw_> cut, no prob. there are facilities as mentioned about by tt  that try to run some things across each instance boot, or each time the instance-id changes for that cloud. So, it all depends on what you want your final image to support and which cloud you are running on.
[19:51]  * blackboxsw_ gets some lunch
[19:57] <Odd_Bloke> cut: If you remove cloud-init and capture an image from such an instance, then it won't perform its usual first boot functions (which include SSH host key rotation, authorized_keys handling, network rendering, and handling of any user-data passed in): you'll have to handle that all yourself (assuming that the network config/authorized keys in the captured image will even allow you access to the new
[19:57] <Odd_Bloke> instance).
[19:59] <blackboxsw_> ahh right gd pt Odd_Bloke . much more critical than I implied
[20:09] <blackboxsw_> tt_: confirmed you cannot provide cloud-config as per-instance per-boot sripts, they are actually just executable scripts and are not rendered as user-data. . So if you wanted to rely on instance data variables as shown in (https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/instancedata.html#using-instance-data, you would probably want something like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tFDfWN3Wpp/
[20:09] <blackboxsw_> be back in a bit
[21:52] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw_: Thanks for the review, your point about metadata is a really good one.
[21:52] <Odd_Bloke> I'll address that tomorrow.
[21:59] <blackboxsw_> good deal Odd_Bloke


[15:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is matsubara.
[15:00] <matsubara> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[15:00] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[15:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[15:00] <henninge> me
[15:00] <intellectronica> me
[15:00] <matsubara> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[15:00] <herb> me
[15:00] <Ursinha> me
[15:00] <stub> me
[15:01] <matsubara> sinzui, flacoste?
[15:01] <rockstar> me
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:01] <matsubara> bigjools: ?
[15:01] <bigjools> meeeeeeee
[15:01] <sinzui> m,e
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <matsubara> all right, everyone is here
[15:01] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[15:01]  * sinzui hates windows that steal focus
[15:01] <matsubara>  * Next meeting
[15:01] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:01] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:01] <matsubara>  * QA pending items
[15:01] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:01] <matsubara>  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:01] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Next meeting
[15:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Next meeting
[15:02] <matsubara> same time next week?
[15:02] <matsubara> I'll be on vacation, so Ursinha will take over
[15:02]  * bigjools is out for 3 weeks
[15:02] <Ursinha> o/
[15:02] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to add himself and bigjools to the apologies list
[15:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to add himself and bigjools to the apologies list
[15:03] <matsubara> bigjools: can you arrange for someone in soyuz to cover for you?
[15:03] <bigjools> matsubara: yep
[15:03] <matsubara> bigjools: thanks
[15:03] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[15:03] <matsubara>  * matsubara email stub asking for the DBA report
[15:03] <matsubara>  * matsubara to talk with gmb and add sql to hide bug 2-9-7-3-8-8 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:03] <matsubara>  * rockstar to talk with code team about their pending QA items
[15:03] <matsubara>  * henninge  to talk with translation team about their pending QA items
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Ursinha to talk with bigjools about one account on dogfood machine to do some testing
[15:03] <matsubara>  * rockstar to handle bug 271879 today (12-04)
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Ursinha to watch timeouts in the next days to see if they continue to happen this often
[15:03] <matsubara>  * rockstar to manage having something reported on bug 118625 and bug 156453
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Ursinha to watch for strange OOPSes on edge in the next days
[15:03] <Ursinha> oh yeah
[15:03] <Ursinha> I've opened a RT to get access to mawson
[15:04] <rockstar> matsubara, first item is talked about everyday now.
[15:04] <matsubara> I did both of mine and gmb added the query to the the LPPS page effectively hiding the problematic bug
[15:04] <Ursinha> matsubara, great
[15:04] <Ursinha> I've watched for the oopses and nothing that bizarre came up
[15:05] <rockstar> matsubara, the fix for the timeout bug is approved, but we need to do some query testing.
[15:05] <matsubara> thanks rockstar. Is the daily nagging helping QA testing?
[15:05] <rockstar> matsubara, my team doesn't like nagging, but they're getting to it.
[15:05] <matsubara> Ursinha: anything unusual about the strange OOPS and timeouts?
[15:06] <Ursinha> matsubara, nothing that's not reported and being taken care of
[15:06] <matsubara> henninge: how's the daily nagging about pending QA items going? is it helping your team?
[15:07] <henninge> matsubara: Well, currently all items have been tested that could have been.
[15:07] <henninge> matsubara: danilo is at UDS right now and jtv doesn't have anything else to test.
[15:07] <matsubara> great. thanks henninge
[15:08] <henninge> matsubara: we'll keep reminding ourselves ...
[15:08] <matsubara> cool
[15:08] <matsubara> moving on
[15:08] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:08] <Ursinha> okay
[15:08] <matsubara> Ursinha: do you want me to do it?
[15:08] <matsubara> all right, go ahead
[15:09] <Ursinha> matsubara, just saw sinzui was talking to salgado about bug 304113
[15:09] <Ursinha> oops, this wasn't for you matsubara, sorry :)
[15:09] <sinzui> Ursinha: we will start working on it in a few hours
[15:09] <Ursinha> sinzui, great, thanks
[15:10] <Ursinha> henninge, can you ask someone on translations to set priority and importance on bug 302798, please?
[15:11] <henninge> Ursinha: yes
[15:11] <Ursinha> henninge, thank you :)
[15:11] <matsubara> priority and importance ?
[15:11] <Ursinha> erm
[15:11] <matsubara> we have only importance :-)
[15:11] <henninge> status and importance
[15:11] <Ursinha> status and importance, sorry :)
[15:12] <henninge> Ursinha: I knew what you meant ... ;)
[15:12] <matsubara> anything else Ursinha ?
[15:12] <Ursinha> rockstar, you
[15:12] <rockstar> Me?!
[15:12] <Ursinha> rockstar, do you know anything about bug 305367
[15:12] <Ursinha> ?
[15:12] <Ursinha> grrr
[15:12] <Ursinha> it's a critical one
[15:12] <Ursinha> the only one we have
[15:12] <Ursinha> it's really critical?
[15:13] <rockstar> Ursinha, I don't think they are critical.
[15:13] <rockstar> activereviews is for your own code.
[15:13] <Ursinha> rockstar, stub marked it critical
[15:14] <rockstar> I'm working on the pages to generate a list of reviews you need to vote on.
[15:14] <Ursinha> rockstar, right.
[15:14] <rockstar> I'm going to bring it down from critical, anh talk with stub.
[15:15] <stub> I marked it critical because I couldn't see a work around and might lose things. Feel free to point me at a work around :)
[15:15] <Ursinha> rockstar, thank you very much
[15:15] <rockstar> stub, no work around.
[15:15] <rockstar> stub, I think your people should be contacting you to tell you about them.
[15:15] <Ursinha> I'm done after that
[15:15] <rockstar> That should be the workaround right now.
[15:16] <stub> rockstar: Not really an option with the db review windows - I'll use a wiki page next cycle.
[15:16] <rockstar> stub, next cycle you'll have the page you're looking for.  I'm working on it now.
[15:17] <rockstar> But activereviews is for seeing the code you've proposed for review and its status.
[15:17] <stub> Ok.
[15:17] <matsubara> all right, moving on.
[15:17] <matsubara> thanks everyone
[15:17] <Ursinha> thanks guys
[15:17] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * QA pending items
[15:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  * QA pending items
[15:18] <Ursinha> right
[15:18] <Ursinha> so we have a lot of items to be tested
[15:18] <rockstar> We have too many still, and the ones that are getting done aren't getting recorded.
[15:18] <rockstar> :/
[15:19] <matsubara> why not?
[15:19] <Ursinha> rockstar, this is a problem
[15:19] <rockstar> Ursinha, I'll talk with thumper about it.
[15:19] <Ursinha> rockstar, you'll lost yourselves with that
[15:19] <Ursinha> rockstar, okay. I'm on my late shift today, will talk to thumper as weel
[15:19] <Ursinha> *well
[15:20] <matsubara> rockstar: what's the issue about recording what's been tested?
[15:20] <rockstar> matsubara, no idea.  I know some of these things have been tested.
[15:21] <matsubara> rockstar: right, so it's just a matter of updating the wiki page or something else?
[15:21] <rockstar> matsubara, wiki page.
[15:22] <matsubara> I see. if the process to update the test plan page is too troublesome we need to find a better way. suggestions welcome.
[15:22] <rockstar> matsubara, also, this week has been abnormally busy with the ec2 stuff.  It might be that recording it isn't at the front of their minds.
[15:22] <rockstar> matsubara, I need to think about that.
[15:22] <intellectronica> fwiw there's quite a lot of talk about using launchpad itself to track qa. if anyone has good ideas please let them be known
[15:23] <Ursinha> rockstar, thanks.
[15:23] <Ursinha> intellectronica, indeed
[15:23] <rockstar> intellectronica, yea, I was going to think about that.
[15:23] <rockstar> The Ubuntu guys might be happy to have qa handled in Lanuchpad.
[15:23] <rockstar> also, Launchpad.
[15:23] <intellectronica> so i hear, yes
[15:24] <Ursinha> any suggestions/ideas are very welcome
[15:24] <matsubara> that's probably something that will happen in the future, until we get to the pojnt we can use LP to track QA, we should be updating the wiki page
[15:24] <intellectronica> of course
[15:24] <matsubara> I know that's far from perfect but don't let that stop the QA.
[15:25] <matsubara> one thing you could do is email Ursinha and I all items tested and we'll take care of updating the test plan
[15:25] <Ursinha> and I'm going to repeat myself again, but, please, ping us if we can do something
[15:25] <Ursinha> like that matsubara said
[15:26] <bigjools> Ursinha: halp
[15:26] <matsubara> until we find a better way to deal with this
[15:26] <matsubara> thanks
[15:26] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:26] <Ursinha> bigjools, as soon as a have access to mawson, will be glad too. but if there's something I could do now, let me know
[15:26] <herb> * 2008-12-10 - Cherry picked r7386 enabling replication to production and cherry picked r7419 to edge.
[15:26] <Ursinha> s/as a/as I/
[15:26] <herb> * Bugs #118625 and #156453 continue to be a problem despite a patch and the addition of the pyrex package.
[15:26] <herb> * Had an issue with the branch scanner where a user's subscription to a particularly large branch was causing the branchscanner to hang.  This seems to be happening a bit more often than once a week now. See bug #260171
[15:27] <herb> hmm
[15:27] <matsubara> ipod nano?
[15:27] <matsubara> hehe
[15:27] <Ursinha> lol
[15:27] <rockstar> 242807 doesn't seem to correlate.
[15:27] <herb> something tells me I typoed at least one of those.
[15:27] <herb> should be bug #252807
[15:29] <rockstar> herb, there are many folken at UDS right now trying to figure out why loggerhead sucks.
[15:29] <matsubara> herb: btw, did you find out why staging is down?
[15:29] <rockstar> It's disappointing that it's still having issues.
[15:29] <matsubara> hmm it's not down anymore, so why staging was down? :-)
[15:30] <herb> matsubara: the old lp process didn't exit and so the new process couldn't bind to the port after the restore.
[15:30] <Ursinha> herb, iirc it was the second time this week
[15:30] <matsubara> herb: ok. thanks for chasing
[15:30] <Ursinha> the other time happened for the same reason?
[15:30] <herb> Ursinha: 3rd or 4th time in the last 10 days.
[15:30] <herb> Ursinha: different reasons the last couple of times. it had been hanging in the middle of startup.
[15:30] <Ursinha> hm, right.
[15:31] <rockstar> herb, was it the librarian?
[15:31] <herb> rockstar: running.  but didn't really look at it in too much detail.
[15:31] <matsubara> herb: if it happens again, could you file a bug about it please and let me know?
[15:31] <rockstar> herb, I've noticed the librarian doesn't close cleanly on my dev machine.
[15:32] <herb> matsubara: sure. I can't provide much detail on the problems I've seen over and over though.  stracing the startup just shows a wait call.
[15:32] <herb> :(
[15:33] <matsubara> thanks herb
[15:33] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:33] <stub> The losas altered the production appserver configs so they start talking to the production replica where possible. This is working well... possibly too well.
[15:33] <stub> Most of the load is now on the slave, with the production box pretty much idling. We can push some of the
[15:33] <stub> load back to the main box by reverting a few of the appserver configs, but we should probably leave it be until we have the reverse web proxy caching anonymous requests to see how this affects the load distribution.
[15:33] <stub> I will be running the script to open Jaunty translations with Jeroen tomorrow. This should be the last time it is a heavy weight operation, as translation inheritence is scheduled to be implemented before the next opening. No ETAs on the run time completion yet - I don't fully trust them given the extra overhead we have now on inserts thanks to replication.
[15:33] <stub> DB patches for this cycle are all either landed or rejected, except for the per language translation policies link with is blocked on discussions upstairs.
[15:33] <stub> (^-^)
[15:34] <bigjools> stub: did Celso's get accepted or rejected?
[15:35] <stub> Which one?
[15:35] <bigjools> the licensing meta-data one
[15:35] <stub> Oh... licencing sourcepackagereleae. Rejected. Needs mucho discussion.
[15:35] <bigjools> blah
[15:36] <matsubara> all right, anything else for stub?
[15:36] <matsubara> thanks stub
[15:36] <matsubara> anything else before I close?
[15:36] <matsubara> 5
[15:36] <matsubara> 4
[15:36] <matsubara> 3
[15:36] <matsubara> 2
[15:36] <matsubara> 1
[15:36] <matsubara> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[15:37] <Ursinha> lol
[15:37] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[15:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:37.
[15:37] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[15:37] <intellectronica> thanks matsubara


 Think Kilos has loadshedding for the day
[08:31] <pieter2627> He was without electricity yesterday as i understood
[08:31] <lin> I'm sure he'll be back
[08:31] <pieter2627> yeah, hope so
[08:37] <lin> I'm back
[08:37] <lin> small reboot
[09:02] <Padroni> hi all
[09:04] <inetpro> wb Padroni
[09:04] <Padroni> hey
[09:04] <Padroni> how's it going?
[09:04] <inetpro> all good thanks, and there?
[09:04] <Padroni> I'm good
[09:04] <Padroni> just a thought: good idea to use a cloud storage facility to backup your /home dir?
[09:10] <inetpro> scary thought
[09:12] <Padroni> as aposed to a local backup?
[09:12] <Padroni> either can get corrupted
[09:12] <Padroni> maybe I'll just backup my docs folder
[09:14] <andrewlsd> Mornings all.
[09:15] <andrewlsd> Maaz last seen Kilos
[09:15] <Maaz> andrewlsd: *blink*
[09:15] <andrewlsd> Maaz seen Kilos
[09:15] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 14 hours, 22 minutes and 13 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-05-04 20:53:05 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-05-04 20:53:25 SAST
[09:15]  * andrewlsd wonders where Kilos is
[09:16] <andrewlsd> Me lurking here for a bit.
[09:21] <inetpro> andrewlsd: hi
[09:21] <inetpro> Kilos mentioned that he would be without power today
[09:21] <andrewlsd> aah. tx Inetpro.
[09:22] <andrewlsd> Conversation starter (maybe): Anyone here have an Ubuntu phone?
[09:22] <inetpro> apparently until 18:00 even
[09:22] <inetpro> andrewlsd: not that I'm aware of
[09:23] <inetpro> everyone here wants one for sure
[09:24] <Padroni> I def want one
[09:25] <inetpro> has anyone watched the UOS keynote of sabdfl last night?
[09:26] <inetpro> looks like things are really starting to happen in the mobile space now
[09:34] <Padroni> ah
[09:34] <Padroni> Brackets is now available on Ubuntu
[09:34] <Padroni> nice
[09:34] <Padroni> goodbye Blowfish
[09:51] <Kilos> good morning everybody
[09:52] <Kilos> power underground right to the house now
[09:52] <Kilos> yes inetpro  with proper ug cable
[09:52] <Kilos> ohi superfly  hows the leave
[09:52] <Kilos> ?
[09:52] <zander> Morning Kilos
[09:53] <Kilos> hi spekko hows things
[09:53] <inetpro> Kilos: that's great, wb
[09:53] <Spekko> Always good, always busy haha
[09:53] <Spekko> there ?
[09:53] <Kilos> but the transformer is leaking oil so can die anytime
[09:54] <Kilos> too much outside work with no powers
[09:54] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[09:54] <inetpro> lin, andrewlsd: he's back
[09:54] <Kilos> lol
[09:54] <Spekko> yeah, these power outages are making me worry
[09:55] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos, wb
[09:55] <Spekko> our company is at least getting generators :D
[09:55] <inetpro> everyone wondering where Kilos is today
[09:55] <Kilos> y andrewlsd
[09:55] <Kilos> ty too
[09:56] <Kilos> had to repair some water pipes they dug up though
[09:56] <Spekko> hectic
[09:57] <Kilos> now hopefully the transformer lasts till next week when they come connect street lights
[09:57] <Spekko> in this country tough ?
[09:57] <andrewlsd> re UOS keynote, that looks like a good thing to go watch, thanks for the heads-up inetpro.
[09:57] <lin> sweet
[09:57] <lin> good to see you back, kilos
[09:57] <Kilos> hi lin
[09:58] <Kilos> ty
[09:58] <Kilos> size inetpro
[09:58] <Kilos> ?
[10:08]  * pieter2627 is glad to see that Kilos is back
[10:09] <Kilos> ty pieter2627  im glad to be back amongst my friends
[10:11]  * Padroni waves at Kilos
[10:12] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[10:12]  * Kilos hates power outs
[10:13]  * Padroni hates having to write reports
[10:13]  * Padroni is currently writing a report
[10:13]  * Padroni hates
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:14] <Kilos> jou werk is jou werk
[10:17] <Padroni> seems my internet is on the frizz again
[10:17] <Padroni> *sigh*
[10:17] <Padroni> can't phone telkom
[10:17] <Padroni> they're about to put a hit on me
[10:17] <Kilos> telkom?
[10:17] <Kilos> they dont do hits
[10:19] <Kilos> inetpro  UOS keynote size when you get a break please
[10:19] <Kilos> or anyone else
[10:21] <pieter2627> size??
[10:21] <Kilos> the video or whatever it is
[10:21] <Kilos> marks chat
[10:22] <Kilos> i go eat
[10:37] <pieter2627> Kilos: the smallest mp4 seems to be 170mb
[10:38] <pieter2627> oh and feedback for you from the Zambia guy...
[10:38] <pieter2627> 'The website looks good! I hope you get plenty of people. In a way it's a bit sad that "Ubuntu" of all OSs has so few African users... Great to see you doing something about it!'
[10:50] <Kilos> pieter2627  have you the link for the 170m mp4 please
[10:51] <Kilos> and you can tell the zambian guy there are many buntu users but mostly absorbed in the lugs because everyone got slack
[10:52] <Kilos> and tell him he is welcome to join #ubuntu-africa
[10:53]  * andrewlsd heads over there too.
[11:42] <inetpro> Kilos: just download it yourself at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfgX-k7Hag
[11:43] <inetpro> google is your friend... just search for youtube download
[11:44] <inetpro> Kilos: just set it to low quality to use less data
[11:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:54] <Kilos> so stubborn you are. google is your friend
[11:54] <inetpro> if you set the lowest quality to a low 144p you can download the video for as little as 35MB
[11:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you can do it on your own
[11:55] <Kilos> now i have to learn where to do the low quality thing
[11:55] <Kilos> do what?
[11:55] <inetpro> download it yourself
[11:56] <Kilos> yes i will ty sir , but didnt know about the low quality thing
[11:56] <Kilos> i wonder if when using youtube-dl one can set something to get the aidio onl
[11:56] <Kilos> aidio
[11:57] <Kilos> audio
[11:57] <Kilos> wow
[11:58] <Kilos> oh my even a man page
[11:59] <inetpro> Kilos: now there is a good idea
[11:59] <Kilos> hehe
[12:01] <inetpro> Kilos: please talk to the guys at LoCo Teams and ask them to consider making audio feeds available
[12:01] <Kilos> ok
[12:01] <inetpro> ideally yourtube should just have that as an option
[12:09] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and as usual, looks like you can just do it yourself again
[12:09] <inetpro> http://www.listentoyoutube.com/
[12:09] <Kilos> lol ty inetpro  im looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/423508/can-i-directly-download-audio-using-youtube-dl
[12:09] <Kilos> as well
[12:10] <inetpro> cool
[12:11] <Spekko> anyone familliar with test ?
[12:11] <Kilos> see i dont always just sits sometimes i sits and thinks
[12:12] <Spekko> am I alone :'(
[12:12] <Kilos> inetpro  youtube-dl -f 140  link
[12:13] <Kilos> looks like that is it for mp4
[12:20] <pieter2627> Kilos: the mp4 will be 170mb, the 30mb is a 3gp
[12:20] <Kilos> says 55.2 m with that command
[12:21] <Kilos> ill let you know when ive got it
[12:22] <Kilos> 100% of 55.28MiB in 02:55
[12:22] <Kilos> now to find it
[12:22] <Kilos> hehe
[12:22] <pieter2627> oh ok, and the Zambia guy is also directing `the schools sysadmin` to us - doesn't sound like he will be joining
[12:22] <inetpro> ai!
[12:22]  * pieter2627 ROFL
[12:23] <Kilos> thats a start ty pieter2627
[12:23] <inetpro> Kilos: 05/05 13:54:44 <inetpro> if you set the lowest quality to a low 144p you can download the video for as little as 35MB
[12:23] <Kilos> sigh
[12:23] <Kilos> and moodoo is working on an audio only feed
[12:26] <Kilos> audio is perfect
[12:33] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[12:34] <kulelu88> o/
[13:40] <Kilos> hmm... interesting
[13:44] <andrewlsd> :-) hiya.
[13:45] <Kilos> wb andrewlsd
[13:50] <andrewlsd> ty, Kilos
[14:08] <kulelu88> 10 rand says andrewlsd is from pretoria
[14:08] <elacheche> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22499/ubuntu-online-summit-1505-opening-plenary/
[14:09] <andrewlsd> ty elacheche
[14:09] <andrewlsd> kulelu88 why?
[14:09] <kulelu88> guessing game andrewlsd
[14:09] <andrewlsd> you owe me 10 bucks
[14:10] <andrewlsd> double or nothing?
[14:10] <Kilos> lol
[14:10] <kulelu88> double or nothing, with Kilos money
[14:10] <andrewlsd> lol
[14:10] <Kilos> haha nice try
[14:10] <kulelu88> Cape Town!
[14:10] <andrewlsd> always more fun to play with other people's money.
[14:11] <andrewlsd> yes. (although I have lived in Pretoria)
[14:11] <kulelu88> yeah, just like a hedge fund or pension fund
[14:11] <kulelu88> it's a right of passage for most capetonians to have lived in pretoria
[14:12] <andrewlsd> kulelu88, which is your nearest City?
[14:13] <kulelu88> pretoria
[14:13] <andrewlsd> anyone remember "Hallo Spencer"?
[14:13] <kulelu88> I don't think I'm old enough
[14:15]  * andrewlsd google 'kulelu88' and learns about "cars and bakkies" ;-)
[14:15] <kulelu88> ehh is that what the name means :D
[14:16] <andrewlsd> haha
[14:19] <andrewlsd> re UDS, why is everyone seemingly remote?
[14:21] <kulelu88> seemingly remote?
[14:21] <kulelu88> you mean why we're all so far apart?
[14:21] <kulelu88> IMO, I think it's mostly capetonians and pretorians here
[14:22] <andrewlsd> I meant the Ubuntu Online Summit
[14:22] <andrewlsd> ... "online" is probably why everyone seems to be remote.
[14:22] <andrewlsd> I thought it was a UDS (developer summit) at a particular location
[14:22] <andrewlsd> Nuvolari used to represent the East Coast ;-)
[14:23] <andrewlsd> (and I've lived in Durbs too)
[14:27] <andrewlsd-kiwi> just testing this web-based  (or node.js-based) IRC client that someone mentioned over in the other window
[14:27] <andrewlsd-kiwi> that being #ubuntu-uos-plenary
[14:27] <andrewlsd-kiwi> testing it via https://kiwiirc.com/client
[14:27] <andrewlsd-kiwi> very pretty.
[14:28]  * pieter2627 also thinks kiwi is quite pretty
[14:30] <zoomer> I are your president
[14:30] <Kilos> himm...
[14:31] <Kilos> hmm... too
[14:32] <andrewlsd-kiwi> zoomer has gone to pay back the money
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:35] <MaNI2> hope its into my account
[14:35] <andrewlsd> woot, things started to heat up a bit.
[14:35] <andrewlsd> in the ubuntu-uos-plenary channel
[14:39] <Kilos> too much rtfs
[14:40] <kulelu88> link to that channel?
[14:40] <kulelu88> let me complain about systemd
[14:41] <andrewlsd> #ubuntu-uos-plenary
[14:41] <andrewlsd> .... you might get kick'ed tho
[14:42] <Kilos> dont go make our name mud
[14:42] <andrewlsd> but it would be sooo much fun, and besides, no one has to know that kulelu88 is from ubu-za
[14:42] <andrewlsd> "it can be our secret"
[14:43] <Kilos> they have clever peeps there
[14:43] <andrewlsd> use KiwiIRC, with a different nick
[14:43] <Kilos> they also have a member here
[14:43] <andrewlsd> naah.
[14:44] <andrewlsd> a member? Kilos you'd never tell, would you?
[14:44] <Kilos> no i am part of the team
[14:45] <andrewlsd> aah.
[14:45] <kulelu88> let me go bash ubuntu and tell them how awesome openBSD is
[14:47] <andrewlsd> kulelu88, don't forget to put on your Troll-Face.
[14:49] <inetpro> Kilos: are you keeping track of the numbers on that channel?
[14:49] <andrewlsd> kulelu88 <flamebait> I guess openBSD can run an IRC client. how long does it take to get a desktop set up?
[14:50] <andrewlsd> ... although, it might run nicely on a SmartWatch.
[14:51] <Kilos> i went off inetpro
[14:52] <Kilos> too much pling pling here
[14:52] <andrewlsd> ? off inetpro?
[14:53] <andrewlsd> autocorrect?
[14:53] <Kilos> no man off that channel
[14:55] <inetpro> Kilos: it's your lucky day
[14:55] <Kilos> why?
[14:55] <Kilos> i just joined again
[14:55] <inetpro> you don't have to do it
[14:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:55] <inetpro> you can look at it at http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-uos-plenary&net=freenode
[14:56] <inetpro> it = statistics
[14:57] <Kilos> i see ty
[14:57] <Kilos> how come they went quiet
[14:58] <Kilos> oh the session has ended on the irc channel
[15:01] <andrewlsd> I'm off for the evening.
[15:02] <andrewlsd> cheerio all, especially Kilos
[15:02] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd
[15:02] <Kilos> ty
[15:12] <Spekko> "test" All in all, that command doesn't make sense and has probably been written in the sole intent of confusing you
[15:12] <Spekko> on unix.stackexchange :P
[15:12] <Spekko> topkek
[15:37] <Squirm> Good afternoon
[15:37] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[15:38] <Kilos> if you have uncapped you can go see http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/
[15:40] <Squirm> Too busy Kilos
[15:40] <Kilos> ok
[15:40] <Kilos> me too
[15:40] <Kilos> hehe
[16:10] <georgelappies> hi all
[17:09] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[17:16] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you doing?
[17:17] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:20] <Kilos> hi Guest60384
[17:41] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:41] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[17:42] <Kilos> ty inetpro  strange stuff here
[17:42] <Kilos> delete a wireless connection and pc restarts
[17:43] <inetpro> don't delete it man
[17:43] <Kilos> why?
[17:44] <inetpro> everyone wants to see Kilos stay online
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> no man my wireless connection shows a connected goodie to i dunno where
[17:45] <Kilos> i need to know what im connected to
[17:45] <inetpro> just switch it off
[17:46] <Kilos> nono when sis needs it i turn it on and see this strange connection
[17:46] <inetpro> ai!
[17:47] <Kilos> but its off now
[17:51] <Kilos> i see you approved , inetpro
[17:52] <Kilos> does it look better
[17:52] <Kilos> better than fantastic must be good
[17:52] <inetpro> of course
[17:52] <Kilos> did you say ty to pietie
[17:54] <Kilos> who is Guest60384
[17:54] <Kilos> ?
[18:12] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  ty for the work on the site
[18:12] <pieter2627> ty Kilos, np
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: when is your first real board meeting again?
[18:13] <Kilos> 7th at midnight
[18:13] <inetpro> pieter2627: oh yes, thanks for the merge request and all the efforts as well
[18:13] <Kilos> the board or membership?
[18:13] <inetpro> now we just need to get the 2nd vote before we merge
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: is there a difference?
[18:14] <Kilos> ya they have some other meets too
[18:14]  * pieter2627 just hope that his sense of spelling is 'correct'
[18:14] <Kilos> the fly is my editor
[18:15] <Kilos> he knows about spelling stuff
[18:15] <Kilos> oh i thought of something more for you to think about pieter2627
[18:15] <Kilos> when you are bored only
[18:15] <Kilos> will save me lots of typing
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: but he doesn't like spending time fixing other peep's bugs, it needs to be correct from the start
[18:16] <pieter2627> let me hear to decide if i'm bored enough :p
[18:16] <Kilos> yes
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Kilos> i have to tell everyone to hit refresh a few times before they see the magic in the site, can one make it change view every 10 secs or so automatically
[18:17] <inetpro> pieter2627: I tested and looked at the changes before approving
[18:17] <inetpro> all looked better to me
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[18:18] <Kilos> because im tired of telling peeps to refresh
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: why tell them to refresh?
[18:18] <Kilos> wearing my fingers to the bone
[18:19] <Kilos> well if i didnt tell canonical they wouldnt have seen all the magic
[18:19] <pieter2627> Kilos: then a new image would download every 10sec
[18:19] <Kilos> how often do you hear peeps like that say a site is fantastic
[18:19] <Kilos> oh
[18:19] <Kilos> hmmm...
[18:19] <Kilos> ok
[18:20] <Kilos> i didnt think that far ahead
[18:21] <Kilos> ok lets go further
[18:21] <Kilos> has it got a default image for first times or does it just do it randomly
[18:21] <pieter2627> ideas still mean that brain is active :p
[18:22] <pieter2627> random
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: you can't exactly expect them to tell you that it's a useless site can you?
[18:22] <pieter2627> ^^
[18:23] <Kilos> nono but they could have said nice
[18:23] <Kilos> or cool
[18:23] <inetpro> ai!
[18:23] <Kilos> fantastic is heaps above nice and cool and great
[18:24] <Kilos> or has the english language changed as well
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you're their latest new official member, they will want you to feel good about your efforts
[18:25] <Kilos> rofl
[18:26] <Kilos> im not a canonical member
[18:27] <inetpro> all I'm saying is, don't exaggerate too much, let's rather keep moving and improving as we go
[18:27] <Kilos> yes next one peeps must say fantabulistic
[18:28] <Kilos> fantabuloustic
[18:28] <Kilos> daai ding
[18:28] <Kilos> maybe we can think of adding a blog to the site
[18:28] <inetpro> ai!
[18:29] <Kilos> both of them
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> nikola does blogs
[18:29] <inetpro> EN OH!!
[18:29]  * pieter2627 has an idea to improve the flavours listing, just need to make some time
[18:29] <Kilos> cool pieter2627  keep that brain active
[18:29] <Kilos> :D
[18:29] <pieter2627> haha
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro  why not finish you wiki page and apply for the 7th as well
[18:31] <Kilos> they are trying all over for more members
[18:31] <inetpro> hmm.... you want me to do like gremble?
[18:31] <Kilos> strike while the iron is ho
[18:31] <Kilos> hot
[18:32] <Kilos> nono you have done 100 times more than me , you just arent as verbose
[18:32] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:32] <Kilos> ill tell belkinza to come chase you
[18:32] <inetpro> btw, where is gremble?
[18:33] <Kilos> scared of being given work
[18:33] <inetpro> he removed his wiki page on Sunday
[18:33] <Kilos> oh my
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz  seen gremble
[18:33] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 1 day, 22 hours, 42 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-05-03 21:51:30 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-05-03 22:02:13 SAST
[18:34] <Kilos> he is learning too you know
[18:35] <Kilos> what happened sunday to upset him?
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: you gave him a hard time
[18:37] <Kilos> me? never
[18:39] <Kilos> ohi superfly  hows things?
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: now go check your BP
[18:40] <Kilos> 133/87
[18:40] <inetpro> is that high or low?
[18:40] <Kilos> checked 2 hours ago
[18:40]  * inetpro never remembers those funny values
[18:41] <Kilos> higher thatn a 30 year old
[18:41] <Kilos> 12/80 is normal for a youngster
[18:41] <Kilos> 120/80
[18:41] <pieter2627> high i think - remember 120/60 or something as good
[18:41] <Kilos> ill bring it down more
[18:42] <pieter2627> sanbs commented that mine was perfect on that the other day
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: because I gave you such uphill and the additional worries it will be higher now
[18:42] <Kilos> the older you get the more it goes up
[18:42] <Kilos> 60 is way too low
[18:42] <Kilos> 120/80 is normal
[18:43] <Kilos> i go check
[18:43] <inetpro> :-)
[18:43] <inetpro> ai!
[18:44] <inetpro> pieter2627: this oom of yours takes me way to serious!?
[18:44]  * inetpro didn't expect him to really go and meassure
[18:45] <inetpro> wb danfowler
[18:46] <pieter2627> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> wb danfowler
[18:50] <kulelu88> doesn't it mean 120 beats across 80 seconds?
[18:50] <Kilos> diastolic and systolic
[18:51]  * inetpro found some very nice and practical instructions for using Google Hangouts on Air
[18:51] <inetpro> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro  hangouts eat data man
[18:53] <inetpro> very useful for anyone who wants to host any kind of video broadcasting on YouTube
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: it was never meant for you man
[18:53] <Kilos> then say so'
[18:53] <inetpro> ai!
[18:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <inetpro> it's not even meant for me
[18:55] <Kilos> did you tell yourself
[18:56] <Kilos> i enjoyed the keynote
[18:56] <Kilos> big plans
[18:58]  * inetpro informs his self to ignore his message about Hangouts on Air
[18:58] <Kilos> then another one
[18:58] <Kilos> dont forget
[18:59] <inetpro> erm
[19:00]  * inetpro forgot
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: what did I have to forget?
[19:02] <Kilos> dont forget to remind yourself to ignore hangout things
[19:04] <inetpro> ai!
[19:07] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[19:12] <Tonberry> hi
[19:15] <inetpro> wb Tonberry
[19:25] <captine> evening all
[19:25] <captine> anyone following the dev summit taking place?
[19:25] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:28] <inetpro> captine: I would love to but have neither time nor data
[19:28] <captine> yip.  i hear u
[19:29] <captine> watched mark's intro video
[19:29] <captine> pretty slick
[19:29] <inetpro> I watched it at 1.5 speed
[19:29] <captine> :)
[19:30] <captine> watching the opening plenery now
[19:31] <inetpro> just too many sessions to choose from as well
[19:31] <captine> yip.  esp when streaming at work is not allowed
[19:31] <Kilos> Maaz  convert 299 pounds to zar
[19:31] <captine> if I worked from home, it would be on a second monitor
[19:32] <inetpro> I like the format though
[19:32] <inetpro> nice that you can always go back and watch later
[19:32] <captine> yip.  i like that it is virtual now too.  would never be able to get to a summit, and the recordings of hte live events are never quite as good looking
[19:33] <Kilos> inetpro  http://www.ebuyer.com/ubuntu
[19:33] <Kilos> convert man
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: https://www.google.com/search?q=%C2%A3199.98+to+rands
[19:35] <Kilos> sigh
[19:35] <Maaz> Kilos: The tubes are clogged!
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: https://www.google.com/search?q=%C2%A3299.99+to+rands
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> wassup maaz
[19:37] <Kilos> Maaz  convert 499 GBP to ZAR
[19:37] <Kilos> ai1 299\
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: can you not click?
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: put you hands up and show me your fingers
[19:38] <Kilos> R3600 for a quadcore lappy
[19:38] <inetpro> something wrong there?
[19:39] <Kilos> yes man but maaz is supposed to be able to do that
[19:40] <Kilos> 5455 for the 299 one
[19:41] <Kilos> and you are paying for the lappy not the OS
[19:41] <Kilos> and hp stuff is normally good
[19:41] <Maaz> Kilos: I can't reach that site
[19:41] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[19:41] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[19:43] <captine> so.  started my wiki wiki
[19:43] <captine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Captine
[19:43] <captine> must find more ways to top it up :)
[19:43] <captine> i.e. more time to do more
[19:43] <Kilos> i go see
[19:46] <Kilos> keep going captine
[19:47] <captine> :)
[19:51] <captine> yip.  will be a slow work in progress.  will ask for testimonials in a couple months, if I am able to be involved
[19:51] <Kilos> something wrong with the convert function in the ibids
[19:51] <Kilos> one step at a time captine
[19:51] <Kilos> hehe i heard that so often
[19:52] <Kilos> and patience
[20:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:03] <captine> night all


[00:11] <eonfifty> I just upgraded (through update manager) from 10.04 to 10.10 and immediately to 11.04, and now all my windows lost their borders (the minimize, restore and close buttons are gone.)
[00:12] <eonfifty> screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/UwDQf.png
[00:12] <eonfifty> How can I fix this?
[00:22] <pleia2> xfwm4 may have died
[00:23] <pleia2> if you alt f2 it'll bring up a run prompt, you'll want to run xfwm4
[00:23] <pleia2> see if that fixes things
[00:27] <eonfifty> pleia2: my keyboard stopped working after I tried advice from #ubuntu and had to reboot. what was that command again
[00:27] <pleia2> 17:23:36 < pleia2> if you alt f2 it'll bring up a run prompt, you'll want to run xfwm4
[00:27] <eonfifty> ok, thanks.
[00:27] <pleia2> sure
[00:28] <eonfifty> nothing happened with alt-f4
[00:28] <eonfifty> a terminal gave me this:
[00:28] <eonfifty> xfwm4-Message: To replace the current window manager, try "--replace"
[00:28] <eonfifty> (xfwm4:2003): xfwm4-WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running
[00:28] <eonfifty> is compiz a window manager?
[00:29] <pleia2> yes
[00:29] <pleia2> if you're using compiz then I don't know :)
[00:29] <eonfifty> ahh
[00:29] <eonfifty> i think i will try uninstalling all the fancy stuff and see what happens
[00:30] <eonfifty> whoa! [xfwm4 --replace] fixed it.
[00:31] <eonfifty> i'll see if it lasts a reboot. thanks.
[01:19] <JeZ-l-Lee> anyone familiar with 64bit Linux LightScribe disc imaging?
[01:24] <roasted> Anybody good with Exaile? Curious if I can sync playlists with it. Can't seem to figure it out and I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible.
[07:56] <tigru> Hey there!
[10:42] <blkdg> hi, if i want to install xubuntu + ltsp, can i do that from the desktop iso? or do i need the alternate disk? the thin clients have 512 ram and are 32 bit.
[10:46] <onlasss> i got some issues with my graphics card on ubuntu 11.04 fresh install.. I had to choose classic with no effects to have it work.. not unity. would I be having same problems if i tried a fresh install of xubuntu 11.04 ?
[10:46] <onlasss> i'm fine with classic though, of xfce or whatever. just wondering
[10:47] <onlasss> my other problem is that my secondary monitor is showing half of the primary monitors screen and only half showing the secondary :o tried to google that problem but couldn't find anything
[10:48] <onlasss> that is with that ubuntu 11.04... so i am wondering of just installing xubuntu 11.04 first and see if it works, or just xubuntu 10.04 lts
[11:00] <Sysi> blkdg: you need alternate disk to install xubuntu ltsp server (and for what I know you don't really install the clients)
[11:01] <Sysi> onlasss: what graphics card?
[11:02] <blkdg> Sysi, if the client doesn't have netwoork boot capability, what do you install on them?
[11:04] <Sysi> regular xubuntu/lubuntu, network mount /home and set up passwd system on server I guess
[11:04] <Sysi> or check if bios update offers that
[11:04] <Sysi> most machines do support PXE
[11:05] <blkdg> ok thank you
[11:30] <onlasss> Sysi hd6850
[11:31] <onlasss> smth like this problem but my card is not nvidia https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728745
[11:46] <Sysi> onlasss: propietary drivers?
[11:48] <Sysi> if you have propietary ati, you need catalyst or whatever their tool is to set it up, I only know that ati drivers are kinda bugsy
[11:49] <Sysi> ans unity is somewhat bad with all drivers
[11:54] <onlasss> oh
[11:55] <onlasss> i go read how to install those on ubuntu.. soon
[11:56] <Sysi> I don't know how well open drivers work if the card is new, with them you can try with arandr, or classic gnome settings should have the same
[11:58] <Sysi> try alt+F2 "jockey-gtk" for propietary driver installation
[12:06] <onlasss> i'll go try
[12:27] <jnsl_> how do i turn off notifications ? half of them get stuck on screen
[12:31] <ochosi> jnsl_: you can either tweak the settings in settings manager > notifications or "sudo apt-get remove xfce4-notifyd"
[12:31] <onla> Sysi, thanks. unity works now. that was easy.. I'll test the 2nd monitor as an extended now
[12:32] <jnsl_> Thanks ochosi, think i will remove for now, seems very buggy for time being :)
[12:33] <ochosi> jnsl_: sure, well actually the "don't show again" button in the notification bubbles should help. which ones are getting stuck specifically?
[12:34] <jnsl_> ones from beatbox, but i seem to recall there were others
[12:36] <ochosi> jnsl_: hm, wondering whether that's maybe a problem of beatbox (iirc it's designed to work with notify-osd)
[12:37] <jnsl_> that could be the case, beatbox is also in beta only i think
[12:37] <ochosi> jnsl_: probably there's no timeout set (notify-osd times out notifications automatically). would be helpful if you could check that and file a bug
[12:37] <jnsl_> yeah may look into it when i get home =)
[12:38] <onla> this unity is interestingly weird and different
[12:39] <onla> atm struggling to find the place to change some preferences, like login settings
[12:39] <onla> on the unity menu there's no menu for those adminstrating tasks
[12:50] <onla> I found the place for system settings and for monitors. Now after installing the proprietary drivers and having unity working, the monitors are displayed as "unknown" and both do work as mirrored. When I try to not mirror, but to extend, it doesn't work
[12:50] <onla> when I press apply, nothing happens, and the 2nd monitor stays mirrored
[12:51] <onla> before.. the monitors had names there like asus and acer
[12:51] <Sysi> with ati driver you need to use the ati tool
[12:53] <GridCube> i might be late here, but what does xubuntu has to do whit unity?
[12:54] <Sysi> he asked about xubuntu and I accidentally fixed unity
[12:54] <Sysi> "I"
[12:55] <GridCube> oh
[12:55] <GridCube> sorry for interrupting then
[12:56] <onla> :D
[12:57] <Sysi> (for your question, you can install unity on xubuntu but it isn't really the same thing anymore)
[13:00] <onla> oki. seems like I got the 2 monitors work side by side from the catalyst. need to boot
[13:04] <jnsl_> 7j #cvs
[14:44] <jnsl_> seems like download icons (the icons next to downloaded material in the "download" pop up box) in firefox are missing =)
[14:44] <jnsl_> xubuntu 11.04 firefox5
[15:04] <GridCube> yes, that happens
[18:41] <chad____> How can I replace Thunar with PCManFM? Desktop folders (only these)  continue to open using Thunar.
[18:41] <Sysi> 11.04?
[18:42] <chad____> Sysi: If you're talking to me, then yes.
[18:42] <Sysi> settings → preferred applications
[18:42] <Sysi> or does it still keep opening them in thunar?
[18:42] <knome> Sysi, are you sure that affects the desktop folders?
[18:43] <knome> i think thunar is still controlling the desktop by default
[18:43] <chad____> knome: Yeah, you're right.
[18:43] <charlie-tca> it should affect everything but the launcher on the hidden panel.
[18:43] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't, that is a bug
[18:43] <Sysi> it should be common setting, ans xfdesktop takes care of desktop, it will change in xfce 4.10
[18:43] <knome> yeah, so not in 4.8
[18:44] <chad____> Sysi: Alright, just wasn't sure if I could change it without too much hassle
[18:53] <vaalir> greetings, how do i rotate my screen in ubuntu? tried doing it via the monitor settings, but i only have the standard option
[18:54] <vaalir> settings>settings manager > display: Rotation: normal, but shouldnt there be an option to turn 90degrees or 180? i could in ubuntu at least
[18:54] <vaalir> i am using the recommended proprietary drivers
[18:56] <knome> vaalir, #ubuntu for ubuntu desktop support, this is the xubuntu support channel
[18:56] <vaalir> i am using xubuntu
[18:58] <Rister> Hi, I'm trying to install Xubuntu 11.04 on my older Acer Aspire One and I'm having trouble getting the installer to boot off my USB thumb drive. I've tried several different methods of preparing the usb drive (unetbootin, yumi, the included USP preparation tool) but every time the usb boot hangs at the syslinux copyright notice.
[18:58] <charlie-tca> type help at the point, see if it will continuew
[18:59] <Rister> There isn't really any prompt,  Just a flashing Underscore
[18:59] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:59] <Rister> ok. I'll try it.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> type     help     and hit enter, see if it will go on
[19:01] <vaalir> charlie-tca, could you help me with my rotation problem?
[19:01] <Rister> It doesn't do anything.
[19:01] <charlie-tca> vaalir: I don't really know how to fix that
[19:02] <vaalir> ok
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Rister: try burning the image with unetbootin instead of usb-creator, then
[19:02] <Rister> I've tried that.  I didn't type in help though.
[19:02] <charlie-tca> It could be a bad image, too. Maybe download it again?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> If it always hangs at the same point regardless of app to burn it, I would suspect the download
[19:03] <Rister> ok.  I did use that image to install to a virtual box machine though.  Does that still make sense?
[19:05] <Rister> I also tried using unetbootin's automatic download option to prep the usb drive once as well.
[19:05] <charlie-tca> could be something about the drive, too. I had to format one of mine in Windows to make it work
[19:05] <vaalir> try using a different USB stick
[19:05] <vaalir> i have troubles with one of mine
[19:05] <Rister> what filesystem should you use to format the drive?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> (and I do not have windows here, either)
[19:06] <charlie-tca> fat32
[19:06] <vaalir> fat32 is what i use at least
[19:06]  * charlie-tca going walk the dog
[23:05] <ball> Anyone here tried using Xubuntu and LTSP together?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> ball: apparently not anyone here right now, but it should work
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Isn't there an ltsp install on the cd even? (either F4 or F6 at the menu
[23:12] <ball> I may reinstall Xubuntu tonight to check.
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I don't think it gets tested, but the one on Ubuntu images does, and it worked for natty
[23:17] <ball> I'm approaching the point where I have to roll this out at the office and I'd like to test it at home first.


[00:02] <cookiemonster078> i just installed fusesmb to gain access to xp folders which I now have in command line only. Anyway to get thunar to see them?
[00:06] <jared> so why install xubuntu?
[00:07] <soldats> because it comes stock with xfce and xfce is awesome IMO
[00:07] <soldats> its all personal preference
[00:08] <jared> what makes xfce better than KDE in ur opinion?
[00:08] <jared> or GNOME
[00:08] <mindframe> can someone help me please?  as soon as my system logs in it exits back to gdm
[00:09] <soldats> KDE is ugly IMO and way too big xfceis just minimalistic and runs better on my system than gnome does
[00:09] <soldats> mindframe, is there any errors
[00:10] <mindframe> not that i can see in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:11] <soldats> hmm its not saying anything about ~/HOME not having the correct permissions
[00:12] <mindframe> i just changed the ownership for all the files :(
[02:12] <cookiemonster078> is anyone here
[02:31] <cookiemonster078> helllo i am desperate need of help
[08:40] <an0nym[eee]> yup o/
[09:19] <helix_> hey what is the minimum system requirments to run xubuntu? Or rather what is the minimum any of you have pushed it on?
[09:25] <helix_> kernel
[09:25] <helix_> hey can I ask you some questions?
[09:31] <fiyawerx> helix_: dunno about what people have done, but http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[09:32] <TheSheep> helix_: P90, 96MB ram, slow as a slug :)
[09:34] <fiyawerx> honestly, there might be sleeker systems than *buntu for very low end machines, it's always run a bit heavy for me
[09:36] <helix_> I heard archlinux is good
[11:33] <zatlite> Hi, I'm looking for help in configuring my display settings.
[13:51] <Ven]n> how do i check version of the items in repositories?
[13:52] <totalwormface> i'm not able to check right now, but maybe 'apt-cache --help' could give you some information
[13:53] <Ven]n> ty
[13:54] <Ven]n> showpkg :)
[13:55] <totalwormface> good hehe
[14:38] <PsynoKhi0> Hey, anyone around to give a shot at my USB quirks?
[17:25] <neozen-work> ?
[17:25] <neozen-work> anyone monitoring the room?
[17:25] <neozen-work> having a SERIOUS problem with my display... goes black about every 30secs
[17:25] <neozen-work> no keyboard response
[17:26] <neozen-work> switching to a virtual console and back fixes it..... but it even does this in a virtual console!... and in recovery mode!
[17:26] <neozen-work> I see entries like this:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53051/ in syslog every time it happens
[17:37] <neozen-work> my xorg.conf is also in there
[17:38] <neozen-work> card is an ATI Mobility FireGL 9000
[17:48] <scizzo-> evening
[19:16] <cookiemonster077> I recently install FUSEsmb to gain access to xp network shares which I now have in command line. can someone tell me why thunar won't open them
[19:18] <grahamperrin> cookiemonster077: is your FUSE stuff running as the same user as you, or as a different user?
[19:24] <cookiemonster077> I am not sure. how would i check
[19:24] <cookiemonster077> sorry totally new to this
[19:25] <totalwormface> cookiemonster077: you can go to the main menu -> administration
[19:25] <totalwormface> oh sorry System -> Administration -> users and groups
[19:25] <totalwormface> and add yourself to the 'fuse' group
[19:26] <totalwormface> gods
[19:26]  * totalwormface kicks himself
[19:26] <cookiemonster077> it says both myself and root are in that group
[19:27] <totalwormface> good :]
[19:28] <totalwormface> did you add the word 'fuse' to your /etc/modules file?
[19:28] <cookiemonster077> no i did not
[19:29] <cookiemonster077> however it is already there
[19:29] <totalwormface> also good
[19:30] <totalwormface> now, make a directory you wish your network will be mounted on
[19:30] <totalwormface> for example /media/network
[19:30] <totalwormface> or whatever you like
[19:30] <cookiemonster077> does location matter
[19:30] <totalwormface> 'sudo mkdir /media/network' for example
[19:30] <totalwormface> no, not very much
[19:30] <cookiemonster077> done
[19:31] <totalwormface> then do a 'sudo chmod 777 /media/network'
[19:31] <cookiemonster077> permission denied
[19:32] <totalwormface> ehh
[19:33] <totalwormface> did you use use?
[19:33] <totalwormface> argh
[19:33] <totalwormface> did you use sudo?
[19:33] <cookiemonster077> 'sudo -i'
[19:34] <cookiemonster077> root@Brian:~# chmod 777 /home/brian/share
[19:35] <cookiemonster077> chmod: cannot access `/home/brian/share': Permission denied
[19:35] <totalwormface> oh then try 'chmod -R' :]
[19:36] <cookiemonster077> root@Brian:~# chmod -R /home/brian/share
[19:36] <cookiemonster077> chmod: missing operand after `/home/brian/share'
[19:36] <cookiemonster077> Try `chmod --help' for more information.
[19:36] <totalwormface> hehehe sorry
[19:36] <cookiemonster077> what did i do
[19:37] <totalwormface> 'sudo chmod -R 777 /home/brian/share' :[
[19:37] <totalwormface> :]
[19:37] <totalwormface> that should give no output, if it doesn't it worked :P
[19:38] <cookiemonster077> permission denied???
[19:39] <totalwormface> hell that makes no sense
[19:39] <totalwormface> what happens if you go to that folder in thunar
[19:40] <totalwormface> and rightclick it
[19:40] <totalwormface> then properties
[19:40] <totalwormface> who is the owner of that file?
[19:40] <totalwormface> eh, directory
[19:40] <TheSheep> totalwormface: root has no longer full control on remotely mounted directories
[19:41] <cookiemonster077> root is listed as owner
[19:41] <cookiemonster077> hello sheep i am still fighting with this
[19:41] <totalwormface> TheSheep: yes, but fuse doesn't know yet that that folder is going to be used as a dir things get mounted on...
[19:42] <totalwormface> cookiemonster077: the folder is empty right?
[19:43] <totalwormface> if so, try 'sudo rm -r /home/brian/share'
[19:43] <cookiemonster077> you said fuse doesn't know. would that be the command 'fuse /home/brian/share'
[19:43] <TheSheep> no
[19:43] <totalwormface> hehehhe
[19:43] <totalwormface> sorry i just awoke, these things are hard at the moment *^_^*
[19:44] <cookiemonster077> rm: cannot lstat `/home/brian/share': Permission denied
[19:44]  * TheSheep installs smbfs to try it himself
[19:44] <totalwormface> cookiemonster077: good :]
[19:45] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: say, what does 'ls -ald /home/brian' say?
[19:45] <totalwormface> TheSheep: fuse is already running, so you're right :]
[19:45] <cookiemonster077> drwxr-xr-x 20 brian brian 4096 2008-01-22 14:12 /home/brian
[19:46] <TheSheep> and /home/brian/share ?
[19:47] <cookiemonster077> ls: /home/brian/share: Permission denied
[19:47] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: ls -ald
[19:47] <cookiemonster077> root@Brian:~# ls -ald /home/brian/share
[19:47] <cookiemonster077> ls: /home/brian/share: Permission denied
[19:48] <totalwormface> cookiemonster077: i guess you first need to kill fuse
[19:48] <totalwormface> so you can get full control of the folder again :]
[19:48] <cookiemonster077> is that a command
[19:49] <TheSheep> totalwormface: no need to kill
[19:49] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: do 'sudo umount /home/brian/share'
[19:50] <totalwormface> hehe thank you for your better judgement *^_^*
[19:50] <cookiemonster077> done
[19:50] <totalwormface> good!
[19:50] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: then remove it as root, make a directory as normal user and run 'fusesmb directory' for it as normal user
[19:50] <Breakage> i cant disable screensaver, the screen goes blank after some time. under screensaver preferences i have disabled it on idle and put the bar to 2 hours. anyone know how i can fix this?
[19:51] <Breakage> also for some reason i dont have /root/.Trash even after deleting stuff as root
[19:51] <TheSheep> Breakage: it goes to disk's global trash if you have writing permissions to it (and root has writing permissions msotly everywhere)
[19:52] <Breakage> TheSheep: ah thats cool, thanks :) thought that might be the case.
[19:52] <cookiemonster077> done now what
[19:52] <TheSheep> Breakage: also, files deleted form the command line don't go to trash
[19:52] <TheSheep> Breakage: they are lost permanently
[19:53] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: it hsould work now
[19:53] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: as user
[19:53] <Breakage> TheSheep: oh thanks, think i'll use commands to delete from filesystem :)
[19:54] <cookiemonster077> does the fusesmb.conf need editting
[19:54] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: yes, if you want to use a user name and/or password
[19:55] <cookiemonster077> the dir change does not matter?
[19:56] <TheSheep> no, it's not configured in there
[19:58] <cookiemonster077> i need to reboot to check something I had an error when I booted this morning that might be important
[20:02] <cookiemonster077> i am back
[20:03] <cookiemonster077> the error did not show this time
[20:05] <cookiemonster077> but the new dir is still empty
[20:07] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: run 'fusesmb new_dir'
[20:07] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: as user
[20:07] <Breakage> i've uninstalled gnome-screensaver that should solve my screensaver problem right :)?
[20:07] <TheSheep> Breakage: no
[20:07] <TheSheep> Breakage: it's power saving, not a screen saver
[20:08] <TheSheep> Breakage: the monitor is being puti nto low energy mode
[20:08] <Breakage> TheSheep: damn ok thanks
[20:08] <TheSheep> Breakage: but I don't know where to change these settings
[20:08] <Breakage> TheSheep: no probs ill google
[20:09] <TheSheep> Breakage: you might need to install the gnome power manager
[20:09] <Breakage> ok
[20:10] <TheSheep> Breakage: and run gnome-power-preferences then
[20:10] <Breakage> TheSheep: ok thanks :)
[20:12] <cookiemonster077> it ran fuse with 'sudo' but then it won't let me into the dir
[20:12] <cookiemonster077> permission denied
[20:12] <TheSheep> cookiemonster077: do 'sudo umount' and run the fusesmb as normal user, without sudo
[20:13] <cookiemonster077> sudo umount
[20:13] <TheSheep> sudo mumount directory
[20:13] <TheSheep> umount
[20:15] <cookiemonster077> that has done it. so all these problems are because i did all this as root
[20:15] <cookiemonster077> ??
[20:16] <TheSheep> yes
[20:16] <TheSheep> funne, eh?
[20:16] <TheSheep> funny
[20:17] <cookiemonster077> thanks for all your help. mind if i come back with the next problem
[20:18] <TheSheep> not at all
[20:18] <cookiemonster077> thanks again
[20:23] <mindframe-> what should i use to sync my palm device in xfce?
[20:27] <TheSheep> !palm | mindframe-
[20:27] <ubotu> mindframe-: A good guide for setting up Palm devices is at http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/PalmOS-HOWTO.html#PC-CONNECT-USB
[20:27] <mindframe-> thanks
[21:14] <sinkorswim> is it possible to rearrange items on the task list?
[21:55] <march> goodnight :D
[21:56] <nikolam> HI. Does anyone use CDRW or DVD+-RW disks as rewritable disks in UDF format under Linux?
[21:57] <nikolam> I can`t manage to format CDRW`s or DVD+RW`s in UDF file system and use them
[23:32] <Breakage> anyone know how i can remove the toolbar text in Mirage? :)
[23:37] <LetsGo67> !moonlight
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moonlight - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <Breakage> !mirage
[23:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mirage - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <Breakage> !dpms
[23:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:53] <rzr> hi
[23:54] <rzr> any developpers around ?