[00:11] <RAOF> bdmurray: I'm looking at your whoopsie upload, and am confused.
[00:13] <bdmurray> RAOF: okay
[00:15] <bdmurray> RAOF: initialize_logging didn't exist and I thought the other things in the upload were "obviously safe patch"es
[00:17] <bdmurray> RAOF: I can remove everything but the logging change if you'd prefer
[00:17] <RAOF> I'm happy with all of them being in there, but just documented :)
[00:18] <bdmurray> when you say documented do you want a bug for every issue or just noted in the changelog?
[00:18] <RAOF> Noted in the changelog is OK. Does the connection_data.callback() thing want a bug, though?
[00:19] <bdmurray> I'll remove that bit as its not relevant to fixing the bug at hand
[00:19] <RAOF> That's not a trivially obvious change, at least to me :). It looks like a call gets made that previously wouldn't be made.
[00:19] <RAOF> Heh. Cool.
[06:46] <tumbleweed> looks like some NBS binaries need to be removed for chef to migrate
[09:57] <jamespage> RAOF, the ceph i386 ftbfs was something transitory - no error in log - rebuilt OK
[09:57] <jamespage> RAOF, uploaded 2.2 again with the 2.1 entry in the changes file as well
[10:58] <jpds> Could someone move strongswan out of trusty-proposed for me?
[11:03] <Laney> Did you see the issues on update_excuses?
[11:16] <cjwatson> Hm, I guess that's an NBS-in-proposed thing
[11:16] <cjwatson> Looking
[11:18] <Laney> The uninstallables are genuine afaics
[11:20] <cjwatson> Yeah
[11:20] <cjwatson> No strongswan-plugins-fips-prf
[11:20] <Laney> s/plugins/plugin/
[11:20] <Laney> jpds: ↑
[11:22] <jpds> sigh.
[11:22] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: chef> yes, you're right.  done
[11:23] <jpds> Laney / cjwatson: Thanks, fixed it.
[11:23] <cjwatson> I've dealt with the NBS part of it, anyway
[11:23] <Laney> ta
[11:24] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: thanks
[11:24] <jpds> Just uploaded -0ubuntu2.
[13:11] <didrocks> ogra_: sil2100: I'm blocking libcolumbus and hud into proposed. Seems that libcolumbus was built and published without any new commit :/ Not sure who checked…
[13:11] <didrocks> so it would make the tests refailing
[13:12]  * sil2100 sighs
[13:12] <didrocks> sil2100: it was usermetrics
[13:12] <sil2100> So why was it set to ready to release?
[13:12] <didrocks> see landing plan
[13:12] <sil2100> Aw shit
[13:12] <didrocks> not libcolumbus
[13:13] <sil2100> didrocks: right, I read your ping on #ubuntu-desktop and published that ;p
[13:13]  * sil2100 sighs and facepalms on himself
[13:13] <didrocks> sil2100: well, I can't remember everything, especially when having 6 pings at the same time, would have been nice as it's written on the spreadsheet to check
[13:13] <didrocks> (and the check that things were published :p)
[13:13] <sil2100> didrocks: shorry ;< Damn, I feel stupid now
[13:14] <didrocks> sil2100: well, no worry, just republish the right one now
[13:14] <didrocks> sil2100: no need for a block, both will stay in proposed until alpha2 is done
[13:14] <didrocks> (it was just in case we missed a merged branch)
[13:45] <xnox> queuebot Unapproved: partman-crypto (precise-proposed/main) [50ubuntu1 => 50ubuntu2]
[13:46] <xnox> please review ^ as it's wanted for 12.04.4, security team request bug #1263740
[13:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1263740 in partman-crypto (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04.4 alternate installer encryption should default to aes-xts-plain64" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263740
[13:46] <xnox> verified to work with dalies against HWE & stock (.0) kernels
[13:58] <ogra_> cjwatson, do you know of a way to get more debugging from debootstrap under live-build ? using "lb build --debug" only gets me lb debug output (i still have the "cannot mount /proc" issue even when using BuildLiveCD .. but tracked it down to debootstrap)
[13:58] <ogra_> debootstrap.log is sadly pretty empty (a few gpg key messages and the final error line)
[14:00] <cjwatson> not off the top of my head, sorry, you could try hacking /usr/sbin/debootstrap
[14:00]  * ogra_ starts to wonder if wrapping the whole thing into a qemu-arm-static chroot probably causes this
[15:12] <rbasak> Sorry about the puppet component mismatch. I failed to check.
[15:12]  * rbasak will sort it out.
[15:48] <jamespage> infinity, what will be the status of the arm64 port for 14.04? will it have full 5 year support?
[15:49] <ogra_> 5 years is for arm 32bit ... must be 10 years for arm64 indeed
[15:49] <ogra_> :P
[16:23] <xnox> jamespage: i have a merge proposal up against launchpad to mark arm64 for a 5 year support. (such that supported: field in packages/arm64 declares that)
[16:24] <xnox> jamespage: as far I remember that hasn't been merged yet.
[16:24] <ogra_> hmpf, there seems to be a mirroring issue with cdimage
[16:24] <xnox> jamespage: oh, and that also add armhf to 5y support ;-)
[16:25] <ogra_> if i reload http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/ repeatedly, the 20140122.1 dir randomly vanishes and re-appears
[16:25] <xnox> https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/launchpad/update-maintenance-check-3/+merge/194778
[16:26] <cjwatson> ogra_: ask IS
[16:26] <ogra_> cjwatson, thks, will do (after my daily meeting marathon)
[16:27] <Riddell> stgraber, highvoltage: how's alpha 2 testing going to edubuntu? do you have a release page?
[16:28] <xnox> Riddell: i'm about to upload ubiquity with a few fixes..... =)
[16:28] <Riddell> xnox: oh? will that need respins?  gtk and kde?
[16:29] <xnox> Riddell: gtk only.... + a few d-i components updates.
[16:30] <Riddell> knome: will you want a respin for that ubiquity change?
[16:30] <xnox> bug #1260396 & bug #1260473
[16:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1260396 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Trusty) "Ubiquity window spans width of screen" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260396
[16:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1260473 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The slide bar that allow to rezise the partition does not appear" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260473
[16:30] <Riddell> knome: can you confirm the release page on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha2/ ?
[16:30] <Riddell> utlemming: no alpha 2 for cloud?
[16:31] <xnox> Riddell: yeah, most of release pages need text copies from alpha2 notes.
[16:31] <xnox> Riddell: or updated URLs to flavour websites, if that is used.
[16:33] <xnox> Riddell: actually, I can't build ubiquity at the moment =) so no ubiquity update just yet.
[16:57] <utlemming> riddel: yes, there will be
[16:57] <utlemming> Riddel: the alpha2 is still processing
[17:36] <xnox> Riddell: to be honest, i'm less worried about respins these days, as we have autopilot tests running on a dozen typical configurations doing a "click through as a user" installations.
[17:37] <Riddell> xnox: alpha 2 is for flavours which don't have that I think?
[17:37] <xnox> Riddell: i believe it's running against all gtk flavours.
[17:37] <xnox> Riddell: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/search/?q=ubiquity
[17:37] <xnox> ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, gnome
[17:38] <xnox> a (decentish) coverage. No kubuntu, as that's a different frontend / toolkit and needs it's own set of "scripts of button pushing" and asserts.
[17:38] <Laney> I'd just let the flavour guys know and they can pick it up if they want it
[17:38] <Laney> self service ho
[17:39] <xnox> Laney: =)
[17:40] <sil2100> Hi everyone! Could we get an unblock from the freeze for webbrowser-app?
[17:40] <sil2100> It has a very important fix of a regression for Ubuntu Touch, and we're blocked on promoting a new image without it
[17:41] <sil2100> Pretty please :)
[17:50] <xnox> Riddell: Laney: updated ubiquity is uploaded, let release team / flavours judge if they want it in. No strong preference when it lands (e.g. today or on friday)
[17:50] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.17.4
[17:50]  * xnox off to volleyball
[18:07] <Laney> sil2100: xnox: Done
[18:07] <Laney> darkxst: highvoltage: stgraber: knome: New ubiquity might be interesting for you
[18:08] <Laney> if you want to self-service some respins
[18:08]  * Laney → climbing, see you
[18:10] <highvoltage> Laney: enjoy, will check a bit later
[18:12] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[18:22] <sil2100> Laney: thank you!
[18:32] <stgraber> note that the new ubiquity is curently stuck in proposed due to build failures
[18:32] <stgraber> so respins won't pick it up
[19:52] <ogra_> cjwatson, in case you are intrested, i found the issue with live-build ... seems i cant run it inside a qemu-arm-static chroot because the build chroot will lack the qemu-arm-static binary in /usr/bin
[20:12]  * ogra_ finds LB_BOOTSTRAP_QEMU_STATIC
[21:57] <Laney> stgraber: it already failed in those places ;-)
[21:57] <Laney> was assuming/hoping people would check it was in release before pressing ze button
[23:34] <xnox> stgraber: i don't see ubiquity stuck due to build-failures.
[23:35] <xnox> stgraber: it's just arm64 & ppc64el don't have X capable of changing keyboard layouts yet =)
[23:35] <xnox> stgraber: which i guess should be fixed sooner rather than later.
[23:39] <stgraber> xnox: hmm, looks like it got copied over, must have been something else slowing down the copy then as last I looked it was still in -proposed hours after upload
[23:42] <xnox> stgraber: yeah. not sure why Laney unblocked ubiquity, I thought the consensus across flavours is needed. I guess Laney expressed it as, "each flavour may choose to push the respin button to get new ubiquity" =)
[23:42] <stgraber> yeah, that's fine


[21:49] <cm-t> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/19ne5k/unity_moving_to_qtqml_new_display_server_revealed/ bilboed
[21:49] <cm-t> oups meant bob
[21:49] <cm-t> not there


[02:20] <arraybolt3> Currently tackling libfm-qt 1.2.1.
[02:22] <arraybolt3> Whoa, here's a curveball. libfm-qt is no longer LGPL-2.1+, but now LGPL-2.1.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> Wonder how that applies to things.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> Nope, I was wrong, I read the diff too fast.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> Nevermind.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> (I misread a - line followed by a + line as being two - lines :P)
[04:34] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I assume we're going to want these point releases to be uploaded to the Backports PPA? Also, do we need to do some no-change rebuilds in there once the transitions finish?
[04:36] <arraybolt3> *point releases of LXQ
[04:36] <arraybolt3> *LXQt
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[15:26] <arraybolt3> In case no one's seen the scam/spam yet, ^
[15:26] <arraybolt3> @kc2bez, @teward001: ^
[15:27] <arraybolt3> (Sorry to not have finished libfm-qt yesterday - my Internet went unstable in the middle of the process and then I lost connection entirely.)
[15:30] <arraybolt3> blah why did my build barf on symbols when I did a local sbuild and then just work when I uploaded to the PPA :(
[15:31] <arraybolt3> Oh, weird, it gave a warning and gave me the new symbols, but didn't error out? *shrug* whatever, at least I got the data I needed.
 "Simon Quigley: I assume we're..." <- Yes please :)
[16:30] <tsimonq2> Ideally we'd have a Britney instance up so we could tell for sure...
[16:31] <tsimonq2> But yes you'll likely need some NCRs
 "Oh, weird, it gave a warning and..." <- libfm-qt is expected to fail symbols due to my lxqt-b-t upload :)
[16:36] <arraybolt3> Ah.
[16:36] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Un... is that in -release yet, or only in -proposed?
[16:36] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ looking
[16:36] <arraybolt3> Because if it's just in -proposed, we should probably NCR the whole stack **BEFORE** I upload libfm-qt, since I don't think my PPA will pick up -proposed.
[16:37] <tsimonq2> release
[16:37] <arraybolt3> Transition fun!
[16:37] <arraybolt3> Hmm... OK. Then I guess it will just be the libfm-qt transition to deal with.
[16:37] <arraybolt3> Though that probably won't be that much of a transition because symbols were *added* but not removed.
[16:37] <tsimonq2> (Which will be extremely trivial ;) )
[16:37] <arraybolt3> It might not even trigger a transition at all, guess we're about to find out.
[16:37] <tsimonq2> Well, some standard C++ symbols will hide from you too
[16:38] <tsimonq2> Given we completely switched standards lol
[16:38] <arraybolt3> Anyway, still getting a riscv64 build to happen.
[16:40] <arraybolt3> grr... apt-cacher-ng has broken again
[16:41] <tsimonq2> teward: ^^ I say it's about time We buy a Lubuntu riscv64 porterbox :P
[16:43] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: OK so this is weird. When I do a local sbuild, dpkg-gensymbols gripes about a TON of changed symbols.
[16:43] <arraybolt3> And it fails the build.
[16:43] <arraybolt3> But in the PPA? No such failures.
[16:43] <teward> i assume you know where we can get one that won't break the bank?  We haven't had enough donations recently to even cover the costs of the OVH box, so I'm paying for that mostly out of pocket at the moment (but since I have a few services running there in the shadows doing nothing malicious at all except status checking a few things and yelling at a teams channel for me when services are down).
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Very good question
[16:44] <arraybolt3> Compare https://dpaste.com/9CV26FZNW with https://dpaste.com/4F2HTX4MG
[16:44] <teward> arraybolt3: any chance your sbuild envs are out of date or you're crossbuilding instead of native building?
[16:44] <arraybolt3> envs out of date, probably not, it updates on build.
[16:44] <arraybolt3> Crossbuilding, no way.
[16:44] <arraybolt3> amd64 build on an x86_64 machine.
[16:44] <teward> source / repo?
[16:45] <teward> so i can toss *my* sbuild at it
[16:45] <arraybolt3> lunar-amd64 with libfm-qt-1.2.1
[16:45] <arraybolt3> (I use the shm setup, so I'm doing "sbuild -d lunar-amd64-shm".
[16:45] <teward> ah i don't that may affect it
[16:45] <arraybolt3> wrt the riscv64 build, perhaps a StarFive VisionFive 2 board would work?
[16:45] <arraybolt3> It's a cheapo SBC with 4 GB RAM for the less expensive variant.
[16:46] <arraybolt3> We probably only need to be able to do one build at a time on it, and it's almost certainly lightyears faster than the emulators we're using.
[16:46]  * arraybolt3 tries the build without shm
[16:47] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Facepalm, I know why the build isn't failing in the PPA.
[16:47] <arraybolt3> I have an old lxqt-build-tools upload in the same PPA.
[16:47] <arraybolt3> It's probably picking that up rather than the one in the archive.
[16:47]  * arraybolt3 deletes, changes the version number, and uploads again
[16:48] <arraybolt3> Actually I'm just gonna flush the whole PPA and make a new one.
[16:52] <teward> arraybolt3: you or Simon want to front the $$$ to place the preorder?  It's a kickstarter project and 4GB might not be enough for larger builds
[16:52] <teward> nor do I have a riscv image i can install xD
[16:54] <teward> arraybolt3: is libfm-qt-1.2.1 on our gitea or do you want me to pull from debian or such :P
[16:54] <teward> err: i'm lazy
[16:56] <arraybolt3> No need, I found the problem probably.
[16:56] <teward> mmkay
[16:57] <arraybolt3> teward: I might be able to do that, but due to not being able to send money (I don't have a phone or PayPal account), I would need to buy it myself off Amazon or whatnot and then host it locally where I'm at (or possibly try and mail it to you).
[16:57] <teward> i have to invoice Simon for his stuff this year, he probably won't mind the extra $99 added to the invoice xD
[16:58] <teward> now, here's a consideration:
[16:58] <teward> " Ubuntu will be released later."
[16:58] <arraybolt3> Also I don't think they have an Ubuntu image for that board, they do have a Debian image though.
[16:58] <teward> so nothing will be supported until October
[16:58] <arraybolt3> (I figured if I bought it myself, I'd throw their build of Debian on and then try and get an Ubuntu schroot on it or whatever.)
[16:58] <arraybolt3> But that might not work.
[16:59] <teward> i mean i don't care either way xD
[16:59] <teward> just want to make sure it's paid for
[16:59] <teward> and nothing happens until next paycheck :p
[16:59] <arraybolt3> (This was just a random idea I had, it's not that it's necessarily a *good* idea for the record :D)
[17:03] <arraybolt3> Aaaaaand... here come the PPA build failures. Perfect.
[17:04] <arraybolt3> Aaaaaand... my RISC-V box doesn't have sbuild. Not perfect.
[17:20] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I'm guessing one of us should NCR the entire LXQt stack in Ubuntu so that the new lxqt-build-tools takes effect?
[17:22] <arraybolt3> I think that's what you said in the MR.
[18:10] <tsimonq2> I did as a test in a PPA
[18:10] <tsimonq2> But there is no ABI dependency
[18:34] <arraybolt3> libfm-qt RISC-V64 build underway! \o/
[19:21] <arraybolt3> Woot, build finished :D
[19:32] <arraybolt3> Symbols updated, final build and then it will be time to push to the archive and to Git.
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Sweet :D
[21:29] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Alright, symbols done, time for upload.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> \o/
[21:29] <arraybolt3> (They sure are time-consuming to fight with, but no longer as tricky as before.)
[21:30] <arraybolt3> I might should wait for LP to come up first though :P
[21:30] <arraybolt3> Oh, it's up! \o/
[21:34] <arraybolt3> Bah, I forgot to check Lintian. Better do that...
[21:34] <arraybolt3> Then upload. Before I make a boffo that I hear about for the rest of the month.
[21:38] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Does this upload warrant a soname bump, since some symbols were removed as a result of the lxqt-build-tools change?
[21:40] <tsimonq2> Not in this case, but all reverse-dependencies should be NCR'ed
[21:41] <arraybolt3> +1
[21:42] <arraybolt3> So lximage-qt, lxqt-archiver, pcmanfm-qt, and xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt. Easy.
[21:47] <arraybolt3> Pushing the NCR versions to Git early so I don't forget that and I can just go through and upload everything as soon as I can.
[21:52] <arraybolt3> Gonna try to lump the rebuild of pcmanfm-qt into the version update :D
[22:04] <arraybolt3> Alright, ready to build like a madman once libfm-qt is all the way in -proposed. Here's hoping that doesn't take long.
[22:05] <arraybolt3> Builders are being nice today :)
 ncr means no change rebuild right
[22:09] <tsimonq2> yep :)
[22:10] <tsimonq2> also \o/
[22:48] <arraybolt3> Well, crud, the build succeeded but the package isn't migrating to the mirrors yet :(
[22:48] <arraybolt3> I'm tempted to just upload as-is and hope it works but for pcmanfm-qt that's probably a bad idea.
[22:53] <arraybolt3> Hey, it's migrated!
[23:06] <arraybolt3> And we are done! All four rdepends of libfm-qt have been uploaded. and pcmanfm-qt is now version 1.2.1.
[23:07] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Tar. xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt isn't in the Lubuntu packageset. Mind sponsoring real quick? It's in Gitea.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> (I'll ask for it to be added to the packageset next week so I can upload.)
[23:08] <arraybolt3> ^ @ any other MOTUs or core devs who happen to be in here, maybe Eickmeyer can lend a hand here since I don't have upload rights
[23:13] <arraybolt3> Or teward, if he's willing to not toss me into a chasm of fire for pinging him.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> ERR:OutOfOffice atm


[07:36] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:57] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:59] <DJones> Morning
[08:02] <DJones> AlanBell: Do you know if #ubuntu-accessibilty is the right channel to point a disabled person to who wants to ask some questions about facilities for disabled users
[08:09] <DJones> AlanBell: its ok, got the info & passed it on
[08:22] <AlanBell> DJones: it is
[08:22] <DJones> Thanks, that was my first thought anyway, & was confirmed when I looked at their website, passed the info on anyway
[08:23] <AlanBell> Pendulum is the accessibility team lead
[08:25] <DJones> Right, there was somebody asking about problems with certain key combo's in unity that were very helpful for them with a disability
[08:57] <force> HEllo
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning
[09:03] <popey> morning all
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:05] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:07] <popey> greetings mr calm
[09:07] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[09:08] <bigcalm> Now I remember the down side to running Eclipse
[09:08] <bigcalm> My machine sounds as though I'm playing Mincecraft
[09:08] <bigcalm> Damn Java
[09:10] <AlanBell> Mincecraft sounds tasty
[09:10] <bigcalm> Hehe, oops
[09:10] <popey> unless it has a green plastic back poking out of it
[09:10] <bigcalm> Minecraft
[09:10] <popey> *bag
[09:11] <AlanBell> I still prefer to just use gedit rather than eclipse
[09:11] <popey> http://twitpic.com/3i6gfy
[09:12] <MooDoo> that reminds me not looked at the minecraft map in ages
[09:12]  * bigcalm shudders
[09:13] <MooDoo> not done your ant attack map yet then popey
[09:14] <popey> MooDoo: not finished yet
[09:15] <popey> whenever I go there I am reminded of the film I was watching at the time I made it
[09:15] <popey> Shallow Grave
[09:16] <bigcalm> Creepy
[09:16] <bigcalm> For some reason I never saw the whole film
[09:19] <diplo> I use netbeans, would prefer to use Gedit but I really like the project part of Netbeans
[09:20] <diplo> Only downside as bigcalm says is it kicks the fans in ALL the time :/
[09:20] <bigcalm> What I need from an IDE is the ability to view more than one file editor at the same time. Eclipse does this and is a resource hog. PhpEd is a better editor but doesn't do it
[09:20]  * MartijnVdS has several vim windows open
[09:21] <bigcalm> I need an IDE though that understands classes
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ctags + vim + magic-completion
[09:21] <daubers> Morning
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> uhr, "omni-completion" it's called
[09:22] <bigcalm> Eg, you start typing a class name and it suggest the full name. And further you do the classname plus :: and it offers public methods/variables/etc
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yes, omni-completino
[09:22] <bigcalm> Hummmm
[09:22] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta, I'll look into it
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> it has plugins for most languages :)
[09:24] <daubers> Which IDE is this?
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> vim
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> (+ omni-completion)
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> (+ ctags)
[09:25] <daubers> Ahhhh
[09:26] <daubers> I went off vim once I realised my laptop was now more than powerful enough to run eclipse
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> My laptop is powerful enough to run eclipse. But I want to have a web browser open as well...
[09:27] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> With 6GB of RAM Eclipse is fine. I also usually have Hotot, Firefox, Chrome, Thunderbird and plenty of terminals open at the same time with no issues.
[09:29] <bigcalm> It still a resource hog and very slow to refresh projects over a network
[09:29] <bigcalm> Though that bit could have something to do with samba
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh I have local workspace but use subversive and remote svn repo over ssh
[09:31] <daubers> I run eclipse on 4GB of RAM, all my projects are local though, and then pushed to remote places using bzr
[09:31] <bigcalm> Does eclipse have svn support yet or is it still limited to cvs?
[09:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> svn support is subversive
[09:31] <bigcalm> I see
[09:31] <bigcalm> Hummmm
[09:31] <daubers> There is a bzr plugin :)
[09:32] <diplo> bigcalm, netbeans supports SVN
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> there is aslo subclipse although I think that has been superseded by subversive
[09:32] <daubers> (though I tend to just have a bash terminal open in the bottom pane of eclipse and do it through there)
[09:32] <bigcalm> diplo: does netbeans work in windows?
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I need to get more familiar with bzr/git etc.
[09:32] <diplo> Yep, I run it on both windows and ubuntu
[09:32] <diplo> Same here TheOpenSourcerer
[09:32] <bigcalm> Hummmz
[09:32] <diplo> Going to move from SVN to BZR on our web apps
[09:34]  * daubers loves bzr
[09:35]  * daubers shoves the podcast on his mp3 player and goes to build some servers
[09:39]  * popey tickles aquarius
[09:39] <popey>  _____     _     _             _
[09:39] <popey> |  ___| __(_) __| | __ _ _   _| |
[09:39] <popey> | |_ | '__| |/ _` |/ _` | | | | |
[09:39] <popey> |  _|| |  | | (_| | (_| | |_| |_|
[09:39] <popey> |_|  |_|  |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, (_)
[09:39] <popey>                          |___/
[09:39] <AlanBell> kicking in the back seat
[09:39] <aquarius> .me is tickled
[09:40] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI # best version
[09:42] <andylockran> Howdy
[09:42] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[09:43] <andylockran> All chance :)
[09:47] <krimzon2> yay friday
[09:48] <bigcalm> My hand is a dolphin :)
[09:48] <JamesTait> bigcalm: Have you been on the shrooms again?
[09:49] <bigcalm> JamesTait: bit early for that, might have a coffee though. Watch the youtube video I pasted
[09:49] <JamesTait> I can't be watching music videos when I'm supposed to be working. ;)
[09:50] <JamesTait> At least I'm not paying by the megabyte though.
[09:51] <JamesTait> And I'm not sure how I knew what that link was without clicking though. Maybe I have a youtube index stored in my brain.
[09:52] <bigcalm> JamesTait: in reference to 'Friday'
[09:52] <JamesTait> bigcalm: Oh yeah, I get it. :)
[10:03] <andylockran> eww. AlanBell that mince pie photo has just make me sicky..
[10:12] <popey> andylockran: you didnt eat it!
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:39] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:39] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:02] <Multivitamin> morn'n
[11:02] <BigRedS> is there a tool that's likely to be on most systems for converting month names into numbers? (not 'perl' or 'bash', I'm trying to optimise a one-liner)
[11:02] <davmor2> brobostigon: morning
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: morning prod
[11:03] <czajkowski> bleugh
[11:33] <kazade> morning all
[11:38] <brobostigon> same i915 gpu lockup as in natty, now in debian sid.
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if the drivers are buggy, you'll see it on every OS
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> uhr distro
[11:39] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i reckon they are.yes.
[11:39] <brobostigon> partly kms, and the intel drivers.
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: which chip do you have?
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> an "old" i915 or a new on-CPU one?
[11:40] <brobostigon> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[11:40] <brobostigon> old one.
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it might be an unfixable hardware thing
[11:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe,
[12:00] <d3ngar> iknoia: that's just plain rude!
[12:00] <d3ngar> erm, wrong channel
[12:37] <windaub> lo
[12:38] <davmor2> morning kazade
[12:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> hah - real-time tweet-map using html canvas: http://n96.org/#lat=51,92*lon=-1,6*dist=355,08
[12:47]  * brobostigon is thinking about pulling xserver-xorg-video-intel from debian experimental, but very risky,
[12:52] <popey> nah, if it doesnt work, revert back
[12:53] <BigRedS> yeah. at worst you'll only break X
[12:54] <brobostigon> quite,yes, simpleenough,
[12:54] <brobostigon> let me compae the drivers.
[12:55] <brobostigon> problem solved,newest is in sid, which is the version i have,
[12:58] <brobostigon> interesting, the bytemark advert, on linuxjobs ML.
[13:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yay you're online Happy Friday!
[13:17] <Laney> I quite like reading 'X' as a kiss
[13:17]  * Laney winks at BigRedS
[13:19]  * BigRedS blushes
[13:19] <bigcalm> How sweet
[13:19] <AlanBell> get a room
[13:20] <BigRedS> We did, it's just that you're in it
[13:20] <BigRedS> you bunch of pervs :)
[13:20] <Laney> #ubuntu-voyeurs
[13:26] <oimon> anyone know why "mencoder -vf rotate=1 -oac pcm -ovc lavc VIDEO0046.3gp -o out.avi -fps 25 " on lucid comes out without audio?
[13:33]  * popey grrrs at the mailing list
[13:33] <popey> "What would be really good is to just brainstorm, get a bunch of ideas,
[13:33] <popey> NOT debate each one into the ground, just come up with ideas, the
[13:33] <popey> details can follow later."
[13:33] <popey> ffs
[13:34] <popey> thread ends up being long and winding and nobody then offers more suggestions
[13:34] <daubers> popey: Where'd you get that from?
[13:35] <popey> my first mail to the thread
[13:35] <BigRedS> I was just reading that thread
[13:35] <popey> I wanted to have a bunch of mails with ideas not people debating the minute detail of _one_ idea
[13:35] <BigRedS> I've a draft of "go to the pub more" minimized somewhere...
[13:35] <MattJ> popey: You really thought...
[13:35] <popey> send it
[13:35] <popey> yeah, stupidly
[13:35] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm trying to find it :)
[13:35] <MattJ> How long have you been on the internet now? :)
[13:36] <BigRedS> I conceded that it wasn't hard to rewrite
[13:38] <daubers> ping AlanBell
[13:38] <AlanBell> o/
[13:39] <bigcalm> Oh my
[13:39] <oimon> i know canonical don't really go in for advertising at this stage but maybe a loco could arrange for ubuntu adverts on the tube (paid for by sponsorship cash)
[13:39] <bigcalm> A client just phoned me to find out why their website wasn't available. After scratching my head, I tried the hosting company's website. That's not available either!
[13:40] <MattJ> Is their phone system available? :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> I doubt my support email request will have reached the relevent persons
[13:40] <bigcalm> I can't remember the number :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> Firstserv
[13:41] <MattJ> 0800 138 9220
[13:41] <MattJ> Thank the Google cache :)
[13:41] <bigcalm> And horay for twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/firstserv
[13:43] <AlanBell> oimon: go research the costings
[13:43] <oimon> i am already :0
[13:43] <oimon> :)
[13:44] <AlanBell> I suspect it will cost quite a bit, and you might struggle to put forward a convincing business case for sponsorship
[13:54] <oimon> AlanBell: tube panel cards are quite cheap , but may require a minimum spend which is not specified http://www.cbsoutdoor.co.uk/Our-Media/London-Underground/Tube-Car-Panels/?t=0
[13:55] <BigRedS> oimon: we need someone to make the advert, too :)
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> OT but a great post: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/dear_emma_b.php
[14:07] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: I like that :)
[14:09] <oimon> is the word liberal there supposed to be sarcastic or not? i can't figure it out
[14:14] <BigRedS> 'liberal' is one of those words that now means approximately everything
[14:14] <BigRedS> I've seen 'liberal authoritarians'
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> "Liberal" in American is a swear word, like "communist" or "socialist"
[14:15] <daubers> BigRedS: Yes, it does seem to be used a bit too liberally these days
[14:15] <oimon> most of the most spiteful and hate-filled people i know call themselves liberal
[14:16] <oimon> mind you, some countries called themselves the Peoples' Republic..and they aren't really either
[14:17] <oimon> so now when i see the word liberal as a self-penned description, i usually interpret that as "troll"
[14:17] <oimon> it helps filter the information
[14:17] <danfish> apparently we've a political party in the Uk called the "Liberal Democrats" - anyone heard of them :P
[14:19] <oimon> danfish: except they don't know what they stand for
[14:19] <AlanBell> !politics
[14:19] <lubotu3`> Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!
[14:20] <danfish> !cake
[14:20] <hamitron> !cake!
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> !lies
[14:20] <lubotu3`> Mostly just statistics and factoids, but also windicators!
[14:20] <oimon> just finished some lovely cake
[14:20] <oimon> shared it among my colleagues of course
[14:20] <hamitron> I got no cake, just bread
[14:20] <hamitron> :/
[14:21] <danfish> please take cake-based discussion to ##ohwhatalovelycake ;)
[14:21] <hamitron> :D
[14:21] <daubers> I like cake :(
[14:21] <daubers> Also, cake is a very family friendly topic.
[14:22] <hamitron> at least, on the face of it....
[14:23] <danfish> Ok, we'll keep the cakes, but not fruitcake - that's just wrong
[14:23] <hamitron> but cake can be so much more
[14:23] <hamitron> ;)
[14:23] <daubers> But!! Fruitcake is amazing with a nice cuppa on a cold day
[14:23] <oimon> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=ubuntu%20cake
[14:23] <oimon> there, back on topic
[14:23] <daubers> I had a housemate who used to eat fruitcake with cheese
[14:23] <Guest96855> How can I verify that a CD I've just burned actually matches the original .iso file?
[14:23] <hamitron> daubers: that works :)
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> daubers: so he bit you? :P
[14:24] <daubers> MartijnVdS: .... no
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: .. sorry ;)
[14:24] <daubers> Guest96855: Have a look at md5
[14:24] <davmor2> Fantastic track "Wave your hands in the air like you don't care!" ....."Word up it's the code word".....ahhhhhh :)
[14:24] <oimon> actually i have a question - anyone else seeing slowness in chromium opening a site? not sure if it's at the dns resolution stage..i'm on a really fast link here
[14:24] <Guest96855> daubers, I can md5 the ISO .. but what about the CD?
[14:25] <daubers> Guest96855: You can md5 that too by running md5 over /dev/cdrom or whatever your dvd drive is
[14:25] <Guest96855> daubers, ah, ok.
[14:28] <bigcalm> Is there a server setting that might stop domain_path cookies from working between servers?
[14:29] <bigcalm> I meant cookie_domain
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yes, by setting cookie_domain to only one server :)
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: i.e. the full hostname of one
[14:35] <bigcalm> I have cookie_domain set to ".example.com"
[14:35] <bigcalm> So that www. and assets. can both share the cookies
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then everything in .example.com gets your cookie
[14:36] <bigcalm> It works locally, but not on live
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> try *.foo.com?
[14:36] <bigcalm> A client's asset server is a physically seperate machine
[14:36]  * bigcalm tries
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> wait.. no
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> the separate machine bit shuoldn't matter
[15:01] <bigcalm> Damn it. Cookie information is exactly the same between servers. Maybe it's a DB record issue
[15:02]  * bigcalm tinkers like the wind
[15:02] <AlanBell> top tip, don't tinkle upwind
[15:02] <bigcalm> :D
[15:02]  * bigcalm makes a note
[15:03] <bigcalm> Maybe it's time for an afternoon coffee
[15:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't tinkle in the wind do it in a toilet like the rest of us :D
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/theweaselking/main6/20c3e92a.jpg
[15:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: that guys just a show off
[15:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: don't you wish you could do that?
[15:11] <bigcalm> Not that I would want to touch the floor in a men's bog
[15:12] <BigRedS> anyone know what the premissions openssh actually wants for a chrooted sftp are? It's doing that wonderful thing of saying I've got them wrong, but not what they should be
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 ?
[15:17] <BigRedS> yeah, it wants more than just owned-by-root it seems
[15:18] <BigRedS> It's happy with the user being unable to write to the chroot dir
[15:18] <BigRedS> which seems normal, except I'm sure the user used to be able to write there...
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: yes, so the user can't drop a .ssh/authorized_keys
[15:19] <BigRedS> I *thought* it used the user's ~ for ssh bits and bobs for precisely that reason?
[15:19] <BigRedS> docs seem either to be scarce or to be hiding from me though
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> apt-get source... :)
[15:22] <BigRedS> yeah, that's rapidly looking like the simplest way :)
[15:22] <BigRedS> oh
[15:22] <BigRedS> it just worked
[15:22]  * BigRedS logs out
[15:24] <BigRedS> still with no write access to the chroot dir, but I'm going to assume that's how it's expected to be
[15:26] <BigRedS> it was way easier when it was a right pain to set up and look after but still predictable when it failed...
[15:41] <davmor2> hey ebo ebo ebonettes
[15:41]  * MooDoo yawns,
[15:46] <bigcalm> Is there a simple way of pushing changes in a svn repo out to multiple servers at the same time? I'm getting tired of SSHing into 3 machines, sudoing and svn upping
[15:46] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:46] <bigcalm> Poor emma
[15:47] <popey> my poor disk space
[15:47] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[15:47] <bigcalm> What does df -h say?
[15:48] <popey> /dev/sda1              30G   28G  989M  97% /
[15:48] <dogmatic69>  /dev/sda1             447G   30G  395G   7% /
[15:48]  * dogmatic69 wins
[15:49] <bigcalm> popey: 28GB of logs?
[15:49] <bigcalm> :P
[15:49] <BigRedS> logs in /?
[15:50] <popey> everything in /
[15:51] <MooDoo> well em is back in ubuntu-meeting :)
[15:52] <popey> not here tho
[15:52] <MooDoo> well no :)
[15:52]  * bigcalm naps on the kb
[15:52] <bigcalm> dddddddddddddddfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[16:10] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo74Dn7W_pA enjoy
[16:15] <dogmatic69> lol
[16:15] <dogmatic69> in #cherokee
 ah. ty. I am running ff over ssh with X forwarding: the save button was blue on a blue background. I kind had missed it .... :P
[16:15] <dogmatic69> sounds like a production server...
[16:16] <dogmatic69> i thought i was bad, never needed to actually install the GUI though :D
[17:01] <danfish> CURRY
[17:03] <newboyintown> tuGood afternoon i need some help would anybody be able to help me please as i have just installed this sofeware and i have a problem?
[17:03] <danfish> !ask
[17:03] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[17:03] <danfish> :)
[17:04] <newboyintown> like i said i am new to ubuntu......!!!!!!!
[17:04] <newboyintown> have a acer laptop model number (5736Z), running ubuntu 10.10, Update manager informed me that there is a upgrade to the latest stable version of 10.04 , I upgraded and the installation went like clockwork,until the laptop rebooted. The display is so dark that you can hardly see the screen.  I made the mistake of contacting acer and all they wanted to do is say that my laptop is faulty.....ACER YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU
[17:05] <newboyintown> this laptop to talk to you now!!
[17:07] <X3N_> newboyintown: looks like a known issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10740136&postcount=3
[17:09] <newboyintown> thankyou X3N..
[17:09] <JGJones> Hmm...quick question ladies and gentlemen - I have a Sony VAIO laptop that I want to sell, but on the point of selling it now display a SMART message that the HDD is going to die on me. Do I either: a) buy a new HDD, reinstall Windows etc or b) just sell it with the message that the HDD is on its last legs - which would be better on eBay? thanks
[17:10] <X3N_> JGJones: I'd offer to replace the hdd or sell it with none
[17:11] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[17:12] <newboyintown> X3N thankt could you but could you explane what grub is?
[17:12] <newboyintown> thankyou^
[17:13] <X3N_> It's a small worm that is often used for fishing, but that's not important right now
[17:13] <X3N_> (It's a small program used to boot up the main operating system)
[17:14] <newboyintown> ok.....how do i use it to try and sort out my prob.......
[17:26] <Azelphur> how do I stop ssh always asking for the passphrase for .ssh/id_rsa?
[17:26] <Azelphur> I have the passphrase, I just don't want it to ask every time xD
[17:26] <shauno> JGJones, I'd be real wary of just stating on the auction that the drive is dying.  I've found in the past that buyers are illiterate, and paypal's on their side
[17:29] <chris99> Guest96855: something like: cmp thingy.iso /dev/cdrom       - may have to run it as root though
[17:33] <Azelphur> popey: TF2 is free now :o
[17:33] <popey> hah
[17:33] <Azelphur> it's madness, all my servers are completely full
[17:33] <Azelphur> 96 online right now...my servers kinda struggling haha
[17:34] <Azelphur> few people in the sourcemod channel whining that they can't take the load too, rofl
[17:34] <popey> is it free for the weekend or forever?
[17:34] <Azelphur> forever
[17:35] <bigcalm> O M G
[17:35] <bigcalm> There's a sequal to Alice
[17:35] <Azelphur> they make enough revenue off hats, so TF2 is free now xD
[17:35] <bigcalm> Somebody needs to hide my credit card from me
[17:35] <Azelphur> lol
[17:36] <bigcalm> Any of you play American McGee's Alice?
[17:36]  * davmor2 snaps bigcalm's cc into tiny ickle pieces
[17:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: erm, ta
[17:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: well hopefully now by the time the new one has arrived something shiney will of distracted you from looking at alice II
[17:48]  * BigRedS apologises to popey
[17:55] <JGJones> Not just that, Valve make more than enough off Steam, they can afford to give away TF2 and also continue updating it :)
[17:56] <dwatkins> how about the hosting though?
[18:01] <popey> haha
[18:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have a jolly fine weekend all - it should be hot too!
[18:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Off to Cricket practice in a sec.
[18:01] <popey> ooo
[18:02] <popey> School ball for us tomorrow :D
[18:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Move away from your computers and go OUTSIDE for a change.
[18:02] <popey> yup
[18:02] <dwatkins> good calll, TheOpenSourcerer \
[18:02] <dwatkins> :)
[18:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Laterz.
[18:02] <popey> o/
[18:15] <Core_UK> sup
[18:17] <BigRedS> g'morning
[18:17] <czajkowski> popey: what's School ball ?
[18:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: it a ball at a school quite obvious when you think about it :D
[18:44]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2
[18:44]  * czajkowski goes back to studying
[18:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: What you asked I told you,  it's probably just a dance at the school to raise funds for the school
[18:47]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[18:54] <davmor2> man Peter Falk has died bummer
[18:55] <zleap> who
[18:56] <brobostigon> the actor that played columbo, most famously.
[18:57] <davmor2> zleap: Princess Bribe story teller, columbo and others
[18:57] <davmor2> Bride even
[18:57] <zleap> ah
[18:57] <zleap> i know who you mean
[19:01] <davmor2> zleap: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-peter-falk-obit,0,7288457.story
[19:02] <JGJones> Burp...I'm drinking coke. Ubuntu Cola to be specific :D
[19:07] <JGJones> Fairtrade cola from www.ubuntu-trading.com - look like they use the Ubuntu font too for the Ubuntu logo...wondering about copyright or whatever for Ubuntu (the OS)?
[19:09] <popey> czajkowski: a piss up
[19:10] <davmor2> popey: let me guess raises money for the school and has dancing
[19:11] <popey> yes
[19:11] <davmor2> told you czajkowski
[19:11] <popey> all the girlies at the school in their prom gowns
[19:11] <popey> and all us dads getting drunk
[19:11] <popey> and the mums saying "don't they look lovely"
[19:11] <popey> etc etc
[19:11] <davmor2> popey: Hammered I think is the word you're after
[19:30] <windaub> lo
[19:31] <zleap> how do I get an event added to here http://ubuntu-uk.org/category/events/
[19:42] <czajkowski> zleap: one of the team admins;/contacts can add it for you
[19:42] <czajkowski> zleap: so ask AlanBell
[19:43] <zleap> ok thanks
[19:48] <AlanBell> o/
[19:48] <AlanBell> JGJones: they have been doing that for ages, I have had some
[20:05] <daubers> \o/ Star Trek
[20:05] <brobostigon> ?
[20:05] <zleap> star trek - where
[20:05] <brobostigon> ST 12 ?
[20:06] <daubers> DVD :) Just watched the most recent film
[20:06] <zleap> ok
[20:06] <brobostigon> ST 11,
[20:06] <brobostigon> a disaster, as a startrekfilm,
[20:07] <zleap> ah the prequel
[20:07] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:07] <brobostigon> allthat is ST  about it, is some St elements, and that is it,
[20:07] <brobostigon> otherwise it is simply a modern non trek action film.
[20:07] <zleap> problem with all the prequels like enterprise and the new film (not seen the new film) is that the ships look far far more advanced than the simplicty of the original series
[20:08] <brobostigon> zleap: and continuity goes out of the window.
[20:08] <zleap> yeah
[20:08] <zleap> like the star wars films
[20:08] <brobostigon> quite.
[20:09] <zleap> in fact star wars prequels leave big continuity errors
[20:09] <brobostigon> zleap: the wholeof ST 11, is a continuity error,
[20:09] <zleap> ah
[20:10] <zleap> they should really go sideways maybe make a film involving klingons or something
[20:10] <brobostigon> zleap: other than leonard nimoy appearing as spock,  as he was after TNG.
[20:10] <zleap> ah
[20:10] <zleap> Nimoy was in the tos
[20:10] <brobostigon> zleap: so contiuitly accurate, as he was in late tng.
[20:10] <zleap> original series
[20:10] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:10] <brobostigon> aswell.
[20:10] <zleap> oh yeah unification pt 1 and 2
[20:10] <zleap> i think
[20:11] <brobostigon> yes,
[20:11] <brobostigon> you are right,
[20:11] <zleap> that is kinda geeky but sad really eh
[20:11] <brobostigon> it isnt, it is just remembering information,
[20:11] <zleap> yeah
[20:12] <zleap> i remember doing something like that on the dclug channel for st voyager
[20:12] <zleap> describe an episode and i can name the episode
[20:12] <brobostigon> zleap: i hang out in #memory-alpha, :)
[20:12] <zleap> ohh is that a trek channel
[20:12] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> only a little ;)
[20:12] <zleap> cool
[20:12] <brobostigon> :)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> m-a was the star trek wiki before all those wikias existed
[20:13] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:13] <zleap> ah
[20:13] <zleap> i have the star trek fact files here
[20:13] <zleap> take up a whole shelf,  they are in the way but i don't want to give em away they cost enough
[20:13] <brobostigon> irl, people reckon i am a big ST geek/nerd.
[20:13] <zleap> yay
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: do you walk around in the suit etc.?
[20:14] <zleap> ok i admit going to a convention in 1997
[20:14] <daubers> I quite enjoyed it. It keeps with Rodenberry's original idea of an almost Utopian civilisation as a stark contrast to the fark natured side of the rest of the universe
[20:14] <daubers> and it's a lot of fun
[20:14] <zleap> or was it 98,
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> I have this on DVD: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120370/
[20:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have that in my cloethes drawer, it doescome out in-frequently. and not inpublic.
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ah, only when a lady is present ;)
[20:15] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: haha, :)
[20:15] <zleap> at conventions they have people dressed as everytrhing hirogen,  klingon, star fleet officers,  even got uniforms for babies
[20:15]  * daubers considers throwing on DS9
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Galaxy Quest!
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> BY GRABTHAR'S HAMMER!
[20:16] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I don't own that on DVD :( Keep meaning to pick it up
[20:16] <zleap> i like space balls, but that is a spoof of star wars
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: don't you have some sort of on-line movie rental service in the UK?
[20:16] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Probably, but as it's the end of the month, I have no money
[20:17]  * zleap also has a signed piccy of robert beltran :)
[20:17] <daubers> also, it's like £3 in the HMV sale occasionally, so that makes more sense to me!
[20:17] <gord> Martinp23, lovefilm, but its subscription based
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ah, St. Salaries' day is the 23rd here :)
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> (usually)
[20:17] <gord> MartijnVdS, ^^ even
[20:17] <zleap> what is st salaries day
[20:17] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Technically it's the last day of the month here, but as work uses the same bank as me, it's generally 3 days before :)
[20:18] <gord> new rule, if you sharethe first two letters with someone else, you should change nicks :(
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: it's a catholic holiday, celebrated every time your employer gives you money ;)
[20:18] <zleap> ah
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: (usually, St. Something's is once a year, this one is more often :))
[20:18] <zleap> as we were talking star trek i thought it may have been star trek salaries day lol
[20:19] <daubers> Could watch the Fifth Element instead of trek
[20:19]  * zleap = duh
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> I have that on DVD, VHS and Blu-Ray
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> though the Blu-Ray version is _BAD_
[20:19] <daubers> It's ace
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> (some scenes are 16:9, others 21:9 with frame counters at the top/bottom)
[20:19] <daubers> I do enjoy the occasional evening when the wifes out :)
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> special effects scenes are not colour-corrected
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> i.e. a bad blu-ray transfer
[20:20] <gord> of course it is
[20:20] <gord> its a sci-fi show
[20:20] <gord> first transfer is always terrible, so you can get everyone to buy it again later ;)
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> on-screen framecounters count as beyond terrible imho
[20:21] <zleap> brobostigon, do you have star trekkin (song) by the firm
[20:21] <gord> right yeah i would of taken it back
[20:21] <daubers> \o/ Kettle on, Fifth Element in the DVD player
[20:24] <brobostigon> zleap: i dont, no.
[20:30] <gord> \o/ pizza on, ghibli on the xbmc
[20:30] <daubers> Which ghibli?
[20:35] <czajkowski> gord: all set for a nice trip
[20:43] <gord> daubers, the cat returns
[20:43] <gord> czajkowski, nope not at all, i'll do all my stuff the night before as always ;)
[21:20] <ali1234> hamitron: eve incarna caused huge amounts of rage and now everyone is rioting in jita :)
[21:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: I caused a huge amount of rage in bukkit and got banned :D
[21:21] <ali1234> http://www.justin.tv/dnah_pmip#/w/1381128752
[21:22] <ali1234> Azelphur: they've pretty much shut down the whole economy of the game
[21:23] <Azelphur> haha
[21:23] <Adriannom> anyone like using gedit for coding?
[21:23] <ali1234> yes i do
[21:23] <Azelphur> Adriannom: yea
[21:23] <ali1234> gedit is great
[21:23] <Adriannom> agreed
[21:23] <Azelphur> using it right now
[21:23] <Azelphur> :)
[21:23] <ali1234> the only thing it can't handle is files with really long lines
[21:24] <Azelphur> indeed, I've bumped into that
[21:24] <Adriannom> http://www.fossfactory.org/project/p286 <-- if you think it's a good idea do chuck some $ into the bounty :)
[21:24] <Azelphur> I've also bumped into a weird issue where my cursor is in one place, and when I paste, it'll paste somewhere else totally random in the document
[21:24] <Adriannom> the link is for Super Git Senses (Gedit Plugin).  shame that's not in the url
[21:29]  * BigRedS wonders if there's a vi plugin for gedit
[21:29] <BigRedS> if there is, I want that
[21:29] <BigRedS> too
[21:31] <popey> my cat is on twitter
[21:32] <popey> http://twitter.com/salempope
[21:32] <Adriannom> i won't be claiming the bounty, i don't code in python, just want it to happen
[21:32] <Adriannom> good grammar for a car
[21:32] <Adriannom> a car or a cat
[21:32] <Adriannom> both have terrible grammar in my experience :|
[21:33] <ali1234> wait, i can write it in python? how much is the bounty?
[21:33] <Adriannom> so far $14
[21:34] <ali1234> :/
[21:34] <Adriannom> ;)
[21:34] <Adriannom> but if it's not a stupid idea maybe people will contribute
[21:34] <ali1234> seems reasonable
[21:34] <Adriannom> if they're not too lazy :o
[21:35] <Adriannom> everyone who uses git & gedit should throw at least $2 at it right now! :P
[21:36] <ali1234> how do i send monies?
[21:36] <Adriannom> Sign up, it's pretty painless
[21:36] <Adriannom> i think i'll put a comment to that effect on it actually
[21:37] <ali1234> then what?
[21:38] <Adriannom> looking
[21:38] <Adriannom> "sponsor this project"
[21:38] <ali1234> i dont have paypal
[21:41] <Adriannom> there's another option
[21:41] <Adriannom> "Pay with your debit or credit card as a PayPal guest"
[21:42] <Adriannom> that's on the paypal website after you say how much you want to sponsor
[21:43] <Adriannom> i'm new to the site myself, it could be more user friendly
[21:43] <Adriannom> seems like a noble idea though, dunno why there aren't any alternatives
[21:45] <zleap> can someone explain why a webcam can work properly with cheese then closing cheese and trying to use the same webcam with skype fails
[21:46] <zleap> or even loading cheese up while skype is running results in cheese + webcam working fine
[21:46] <zleap> and yes both configs are pointing to /dev/video0
[21:46] <zleap> or seem to be
[21:58] <Adriannom> ali1234, $16.58 :)
[22:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Making contact with Team contacts should be easy - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/06/24/making-contact-with-team-contacts-should-be-easy/
[22:13] <kvarley> How can I run a command in a new terminal window and then keep it open? This: gnome-terminal --command="echo Hello World!" Runs the command but immediately exists
[22:13] <popey> blimey, hard blog post
[22:14] <zleap> kvarley, i think you can put a & at the end and it runs in the background
[22:14] <zleap> then use fg to bring it to the fore ground
[22:15] <kvarley> So gnome-terminal --command="echo Hello World!" &
[22:15] <kvarley> Then from the terminal I  type fg?
[22:15] <zleap> i think it needs to be run inside a terminal
[22:16] <BigRedS> xterm has a --hold option that'd do that
[22:16] <BigRedS> xterm --hold -c "command"
[22:16] <zleap> thanks BigRedS
[22:16] <BigRedS> and it'll run command then leave you with an open xterm window
[22:17] <BigRedS> oh
[22:17] <BigRedS> I just tested it and it didn't work :(
[22:17] <zleap> hmm
[22:18] <BigRedS> oh
[22:18] <zleap> if you do joe & in a xterm it works
[22:18] <BigRedS> -e "command"
[22:18] <BigRedS> not -c
[22:18] <zleap> then type fg joe it brings it to the foreground
[22:19] <BigRedS> I think, though, that with -hold you do lose the terminal when the command finishes, just not the window
[22:19] <kvarley> I'm trying to do this cos the gedit script plugin doesn't show terminal output until after the script terminates, is there a way to fix that?
[22:19] <BigRedS> so you get the (end of) the output but no way to interact with it
[22:20] <BigRedS> er, not sure without faffing with the plugin myself. is the problem that the script runs, produces a bunch of output and then immediately exits?
[22:20] <BigRedS> just running it from a terminal should mean you can stilll see all the output in that instance
[22:21] <kvarley> Well with gedit I tell it to run the current file with python, it does it fine but it doesn't show any output until I close the gui and then it terminates and then I see the output
[22:21] <BigRedS> ahh
[22:21] <BigRedS> hmm
[22:21] <zleap> i am off,  chat later all thanks 4 your help tonigt
[22:29] <BigRedS> kvarley: I'd expect there to be a setting in gedit to not close the terminal
[22:33] <kvarley> Another question lol
[22:33] <kvarley> How can I execute a file in ~/directory/
[22:33] <richard> hi
[22:34] <Guest35183> i have a challenge, every time i start firefox it default to a proxy connection
[22:34] <Guest35183> any idea why??
[22:35] <BigRedS> kvarley: ~/directory/somefile
[22:35] <BigRedS> just give the shell the path to it
[22:35] <BigRedS> Guest35183: at a guess, it's broken your profile
[22:35] <BigRedS> try creating a second profile and seeing if it still does the seame?
[22:36] <Guest35183> how do i do that??
[22:36] <BigRedS> Gnome has a DE-wide proxy setting which used to break most apps that aren't native gnome
[22:36] <BigRedS> Guest35183: alt+f2 to get a run command thingy
[22:36] <BigRedS> then    firefox -ProfileManager
[22:36] <BigRedS> in it and hit enter, you'll get the option to create a new one
[22:37] <Guest35183> ok this is what it connect through
[22:37] <BigRedS> uncheck the 'don't ask at startup' box else you'll need to do that again to go back to the old profile
[22:37] <Guest35183> abine://auto-conf.js
[22:38] <Guest35183> how do i get rid of  abine://auto-conf.js
[22:39] <BigRedS> ooh, not sure what that is
[22:39] <Azelphur> is there anything like top for networking?
[22:39] <BigRedS> ahhh
[22:39] <BigRedS> abine is a firefox add on for privacy
[22:39] <BigRedS> so perhaps tor-like?
[22:40] <Guest35183> it is what in the automatic config proxy url
[22:40] <BigRedS> Azelphur: per-process? or just general usage?
[22:40] <Azelphur> either would be good
[22:40] <BigRedS> Guest35183: try disabling that plugin. do you want it?
[22:40] <Azelphur> just curious to see how much bandwith my servers using right now under 100% load :P
[22:40] <Guest35183> yes i had tor, but i uninstalled it
[22:40] <BigRedS> Guest35183: Ah, this might be a remnant
[22:40] <Guest35183> meaning
[22:40] <BigRedS> Azelphur: iptraf?
[22:41] <Guest35183> how do i get rid of it
[22:41] <BigRedS> Er, tools->add ons in firefox
[22:41] <BigRedS> and then click 'disable'
[22:41] <Guest35183> ER?
[22:41] <BigRedS> ignore that bit
[22:42] <Guest35183> ok let me paste in the bin so you can see what i have as extension
[22:43] <Guest35183> what is the paste bin url
[22:43] <BigRedS> Azelphur: i've just remembered the cryptically-named 'ntop' :)
[22:43] <Azelphur> fun
[22:45] <popey> Azelphur: iftop
[22:46] <Azelphur> my servers using 11mbit flat out
[22:46] <Azelphur> for the past 14 hours :o
[22:46] <popey> nic
[22:46] <popey> +e
[22:46] <Guest35183> bigreds  how do i paste a screenshot in the ubuntu pastebin
[22:47] <popey> Guest35183: imgur.com is useful for that
[22:47] <popey> bed
[22:47] <popey> nn
[22:47] <BigRedS> Azelphur: there's another handy one I saw the other day, but I can't find it now
[22:47] <BigRedS> Shows a scrolling graph
[22:48] <BigRedS> Guest35183: sorry, I was just typing when popey replied :)
[22:48] <ali1234> Adriannom: i won't use paypal, not even as a guest
[22:49] <Guest35183> ok thank you here it is http://i.imgur.com/jgnFvl.jpg
[22:50] <Guest35183> as you can seethere is nothing such as proxy addon
[22:50] <BigRedS> Guest35183: hm, not sure
[22:51] <BigRedS> It's possible that it's a component of one of those plugins, or that something went wrong in the removal of the plugin and it's left that default behind somewhere
[22:51] <BigRedS> I'm not sure how to fix it further, though
[22:51] <BigRedS> Azelphur: ethstatus was the one I saw
[22:51] <BigRedS> It's likely not what you want, but I've now remembered to install it where I wanted to, cheers! :)
[22:54] <Guest35183> thk you
[22:55] <BigRedS> Guest35183: it may be worth trying here again when the channel's a bit busier - it is 11pm UK time :)
[22:57] <hamitron> ali1234: riot?
[22:57] <hamitron> :D
[23:02] <Adriannom> ali1234, that's fair :) i guess a comment would still be worth something, if you wanted to contribute anyway.  activity is always good
[23:03] <BigRedS> even if it's just "please support $paypalAlternative"
[23:03] <Adriannom> when i have less to do i think i'll make a better open source bounty site
[23:03] <BigRedS> it's open sauce - contribute to that one! :)
[23:04] <Adriannom> could do, i think i'll suggest they implement google checkout
[23:07] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone.
[23:08] <Adriannom> nn
[23:08] <brobostigon> good nigiht Adriannom
[23:08] <Adriannom> there... http://www.fossfactory.org/project/p145 :)
[23:16] <ali1234> hamitron: well as close to a riot as you can get with spaceships
[23:16] <ali1234> they're clogging all the tradehubs and attacking the stations
[23:21] <exobuzz> AlanBell, interesting discussion on the podcast regarding accessibility. perhaps as you are connected with the accessibility stuff, you could find out whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/mousetweaks/+bug/762806 is likely to be actioned soon? it is a simple fix, and it seems strange that 2 months after release, all mouse accessibility is still broken :(
[23:21] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 762806 in mousetweaks (Ubuntu Natty) "[regression] shipped mousetweaks (3.0) does not work with shipped control-center (2.32), needs downgrade" [High,Triaged]
[23:22] <hamitron> ali1234: you can destroy empire space stations now?
[23:22] <hamitron> :D
[23:22] <hamitron> god damn
[23:22] <hamitron> a riot sounds like my sorta thing
[23:22] <hamitron> :/
[23:24]  * AlanBell looks at the bug
[23:25] <exobuzz> AlanBell, ta
[23:28] <AlanBell> exobuzz: ok, confirmed here too
[23:29] <AlanBell> exobuzz: ok, that is a bit of a mess isn't it
[23:29] <exobuzz> yeh
[23:30] <AlanBell> I doubt upgrading control-center is a safe thing to do
[23:30] <AlanBell> I have no idea if it is even possible to roll out a downgrade
[23:31] <ali1234> hamitron: no, they're just attacking it pointlessly
[23:31] <AlanBell> I don't think I agree with your statement that it is a simple fix
[23:31] <hamitron> :/
[23:33] <exobuzz> AlanBell, sorry i crashed.
[23:33] <exobuzz> AlanBell, the easiest fix is to downgrade mousetweaks to gnome 2.x version (it will have to have a fake version number like 3.0.0+really2.3. or something i guess)
[23:33] <AlanBell> yeah, that is nasty
[23:34] <exobuzz> AlanBell, but temporary
[23:34] <exobuzz> until next ubuntu
[23:40] <AlanBell> oneiric has 3.1.2-0ubuntu1
[23:43] <AlanBell> Gerd and Francesco are the Gnome maintainers and have commented on the bug
[23:45] <AlanBell> exobuzz: I would add the suggestion of uploading it with a fake version number and see what they say to that
[23:46] <exobuzz> k thanks


[03:11] <jlc> !selinux
[03:11] <ubot4> SELinux is available on Ubuntu, but not officially supported. Ubuntu uses another security framework by default, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor


[02:56] <hondo> hello everyone
[02:57] <hondo> would anyone know how I would go about checking the squash.filesystem on a ubuntu persistent usb?


[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:40] <user|12240> How do i from the plasma login screen get a command line.
[11:52] <mparillo> I have not tried it, but can you try ctrl alt F3?
[12:33] <jubo2> can weird static both on internal mic and headphone-set mic be a software problem, or is it just that the audio wiring is broken?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> jubo2, could be an iffy connector on either side, on the pc or the cable
[13:09] <jubo2> I'm getting a lot of electric noise on the integrated mics (unusable) and some electric noise with the plug-in headset
[13:12] <BluesKaj> jubo2, how high are your out/in volumes?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> especially with pavucontrol
[13:13] <nikola_> !list
[13:14] <BluesKaj> jubo2, you may be bringing the noise floor up too high
[19:11] <rand> what's the good word, friends?
[19:52] <reverb> Hello
[19:53] <reverb> I cannot see the "Blur background" in Konsole or the "Transparency" tab in "System Settings > Application Style > Widget Style > Configure..."
[19:53] <reverb> Why is that?
 which versino of kubuntu?
 versino is itallian for version :)
[19:55] <reverb> Version 18.04.03 LTS
[19:55] <reverb> Tell me if you need more information
 reverb: do you have backports installed?
[20:04] <reverb> what are backports?
[20:05] <reverb> if you mean new software on old kubuntu, i'm not sure but i have linux 4.15 installed so my proprietary nvidia drivers can work properly
[20:05] <reverb> linux 5 will make it unable to shut down
 Backports will update to slightly newer versions of KDE packages.  I will check my VM if backports contains the newer blur feature... just a sec.
 OK, backports for 18.04 does NOT contain the transparency feature. An update to 19.04 would be required.
 reverb, occasionally kubuntu is very slow to shutdown.  This can be "overridden" by forcre rebooting your PC by pressing and holding the alt key then tap the following keys in order: <prtsc> R E I S U B
 The above sequence will force reboot your PC at anytime, so ensure to save your work if you want to try it.
[20:27] <reverb> i see
[20:27] <reverb> thanks a lot
[20:30] <reverb> Okay, I'll switch to 19.04 and install Linux 4.15 on it so I don't encounter shutdown problems after installing NVIDIA drivers
[20:30] <reverb> Thanks a lot guys


[05:28] <Kilos> o/
[09:36] <Kilos> hi guys and gals, has someone got a link for me please for preordering ubuntu usb disks from cano nical
[22:22] <kd6mdv> hello?


[08:42] <ren0v0> Hi, I've upgraded from 20.04 to 22.04 and networking isn't coming up, is anyone free to help at all?
[11:20] <rbasak> !ask | ren0v0


[03:04] <Bluefoxicy> Anyone any good with ruby?
[03:04] <Bluefoxicy> Particularly broken ruby stuff?
[13:53] <bluefoxxx> anyone know anything about ruby?
[13:56] <menace> no one ever heard of this thing called ruby.. is it something to eat?
[14:04] <Adri2000> anyone in ~sru could review bug #1048634 ? (waiting for one week)
[14:15] <xnox> How to "add" bug links to the FTBFS rebuilds report? http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20121221-raring.html
[14:25] <Adri2000> xnox: tag ftbfs? (just guessing)
[14:25] <Adri2000> I mean, tag the bug in LP with 'ftbfs'
[14:29] <xnox> Adri2000: yeah, looks like it http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/source/build_status.py
[15:52] <hippiehacker> where does the embedded grub config for efi/boot/bootx64.efi come from on the release isos?
[16:40] <hippiehacker> running strings on it shows me what is compiled in
[16:41] <bluefoxxx> Apache still works with a blank /etc/ports.conf
[16:41] <bluefoxxx> in fact, if you remove the default site and add your own, apache2 continues to work, possibly listening on another port
[16:42] <bluefoxxx> with /etc/apache2/ports.conf as-is, it also listens (uselessly) on 80 and 443
[16:42] <bluefoxxx> should I file this as a bug?
[17:19] <FlowRiser> hey all, so i've just made my very own greeter using the qt bindings of lightdm. Now i want to package it, so other users can test it out; I read the documentation and i got the basic concepts down. Can someone explain slowly what packaging is, specifically what are the steps in order to get from source code to a package ?
[17:25] <geofft> FlowRiser: briefly you add a debian/ directory with the appropriate metadata, then run a tool to build a .deb out of that, and usually also a source package
[17:26] <FlowRiser> what does the debian metadata usually contain ?
[17:27] <FlowRiser> geofft, thanks so much for answering, i've been trying to get someone to give me a brief explanation for 3 days now
[17:29] <jtaylor> FlowRiser: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/debian-dir-overview.html
[17:29] <FlowRiser> jtaylor, thnaks :D
[17:34] <geofft> there's lots of good documentation. packaging is complicated, in part because it's a powerful system
[17:39] <bluefoxxx> FlowRiser, look into CDBS for debian packaging made easy
[17:39] <bluefoxxx> unless that's been superceded already
[17:39] <bluefoxxx> for a while Debian package management was a land of new tools similar in spirit to Japan's take on Doritos.
[17:39] <jtaylor> don't look into cdbs ._.
[17:40] <geofft> I think the standard recommendation these days is new-style debhelper over CDBS
[17:40] <bluefoxxx> jtaylor, superceded then I guess?
[17:40] <bluefoxxx> ah
[17:40] <bluefoxxx> see this is what I mean.
[17:40] <geofft> (CDBS definitely made sense over old-style debhelper though)
[17:40] <jtaylor> its still used, but not recommended
[17:40] <bluefoxxx> it's like in Japan there are new flavors of doritos twice a week
[17:41] <geofft> yeah, part of why Debian packaging is complicated is because there's still a lot of work to figure out the best way to do it.
[17:41] <geofft> see also source format 3.0. These sorts of things _shouldn't_ be things a new packager has to really care about, but they still show up
[17:41] <bluefoxxx> geofft, there's also legacy from all the stuff that almost made it but sharply fell into obscurity
[17:42] <bluefoxxx> like delta-RPMs on RHEL
[17:42] <bluefoxxx> there were a few UDS where one of the main topics was Delta-debs
[17:42] <jtaylor> delta-debs work fine
[17:42] <jtaylor> (in debian)
[17:42] <bluefoxxx> oh
[17:42] <bluefoxxx> at some point like a year later someone told me the whole idea was stupid and pointless because "Internet is fast now"
[17:42] <bluefoxxx> apparently they changed their mind again.
[17:42] <jtaylor> thats not true
[17:43] <jtaylor> I love debians delta debs
[17:43] <jtaylor> many users do not have fast internet
[17:44] <bluefoxxx> what's the current accepted way to build a local caching server?
[17:44] <bluefoxxx> I'm using apt-cacher here because it works
[17:44] <bluefoxxx> someone said use http_proxy, and there's like 4 servers specifically designed to cache packages for apt in Universe
[17:44] <jtaylor> I'm using apt-cacher-ng
[17:45] <jtaylor> with http_proxy for chroots and apt config proxy for the main machine
[17:45] <bluefoxxx> yeah oh.
[17:45] <bluefoxxx> I put my proxy config in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[17:46] <bluefoxxx> the installer (for mini.iso at least, for 12.10/Quantal) puts it in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[17:46] <bluefoxxx> it's the only thing that goes in apt.conf
[17:47] <bluefoxxx> jtaylor, I'm doing enterprise linux system administration these days, so I've been looking at ... certain things.  Notably puppet.
[17:47] <bluefoxxx> the concept of a WSUS-alike for Linux has been on my list of things needed for Enterprise for a while though
[17:48] <bluefoxxx> WSUS is Microsoft's server for caching Windows Update patches locally, so you only downtoald them once per LAN.
[17:48] <bluefoxxx> Microsoft's tools also allow you to control which patches go to which systems, though that can be done through other means on Linux.  Not sure if there's a *great* way to do that yet though.
[17:50] <bluefoxxx> in any case, all babbling aside, at some point I need to put together a list of "must haves" and start pestering people on the mailing lists, filing bugs, figuring out how to fix things and submit debdiffs, and put in blueprints and somehow convince people that certain things are significant
[17:51] <bluefoxxx> (I figure one day I should make a contribution to society, once)
[18:03] <JanC> bluefoxxx: I'm sure several companies are using something like WSUS with Ubuntu/Debian right now
[18:03] <bluefoxxx> JanC, yeah the question is how easy is it to find/set up
[18:03] <bluefoxxx> in the case of apt-cacher-ng, that works fairly well
[18:03] <bluefoxxx> though, it's not in main.
[18:04] <JanC> "not in main" is not really all that important
[18:04] <bluefoxxx> You also can't get a high level view of all the Debian/RHEL/etc systems on your network, arrange them in groups, and set which packages (and which versions!) they get (=centralized package management), which is a major function of SCCM
[18:05] <bluefoxxx> JanC, being in main is mainly symbolic
[18:05] <bluefoxxx> except for maybe puppetmaster-passenger
[18:05] <bluefoxxx> which is both universe and horribly broken (although puppetmaster is main)
[18:06] <bluefoxxx> and we're back to me not knowing enough about the crap I'm working with, 'cause if I did I'd have fixed it by now :|
[18:08] <JanC> that's a common issue with open source solutions  ;)
[18:09] <JanC> anyway, there are some solutions that are used by large deployments, and those are probably able to do what you want
[18:11] <JanC> e.g. FAI & GOsa
[18:17] <andrei_> Hello, I would like to become an ubuntu contributor. So far I have read ContributeToUbuntu and registered with Ubuntu in Launchpad. I'm having a bit of trouble searching for available projects? Also, is it possible or should I join a specific team? Thank you!
[18:23] <bluefoxxx> JanC,  been looking into FAI.  GoSa dunno yet.
[18:24] <bluefoxxx> JanC, also see Foreman
[18:24] <bluefoxxx> Though my senior coworkers are TERRIFIED of Foreman
[18:24] <JanC> I don't know Foreman
[18:25] <bluefoxxx> http://theforeman.org/projects/foreman/wiki/Screencasts Third video says it all
[18:25] <JanC> but FAI, GoSa & co. are used in Germany by some really huge deployments
[18:25] <bluefoxxx> It'll automatically push a PXE at a piece of bare hardware, or set up a virtual machine
[18:25] <bluefoxxx> configure it, create a Puppet node for it, install Puppet, and push all the configuration settings
[18:25] <JanC> OTOH, I don't know how much manual configuration they need
[18:25] <bluefoxxx> Suddenly:  brand new server :)
[18:26] <bluefoxxx> There's something slightly unnerving about software that can wipe and re-install a server or mess with your VM provisioning without a human having to physically push a big red button
[18:26] <JanC> bluefoxxx: that sounds like it somewhat overlaps with the Ubuntu voodoo stuff ☺
[18:27] <bluefoxxx> Voodoo is another thing I have to look into I guess
[18:33] <JanC> I mean MAAS & Juju & such
[18:35] <penguin42> bluefoxxx: Generally it's much worse if it does that to hundreds of servers at one click :-)
[18:44] <maswan> bluefoxxx: fyi: we do fairly large fai deployments on ubuntu for hpc use at $WORK: fai-chboot -e $host on the install server, then ssh $host reboot, and it gets reinstalled from scratch
[18:46] <bluefoxxx> nice
[18:47] <bluefoxxx> maswan, we run around and put CDs into VMware virtual drives, then manually configure everything here
[18:47] <bluefoxxx> mostly on CentOS.
[18:47] <bluefoxxx> the RPM database keeps breaking and I have to rebuild it and flush the yum cache
[18:48] <maswan> bluefoxxx: ugh. we have a bit of centos too, due to political stuff, I forget how that's setup but I think it is minimal kickstart + FAI
[18:48] <bluefoxxx> maswan, we can skip the argument about which distro is better
[18:48] <bluefoxxx> It's sufficient to say RHEL and its derivatives are simply OLD
[18:48] <maswan> bluefoxxx: My point was that we use FAi for that too
[18:48] <bluefoxxx> and the EL package availability is very narrow scope
[18:49] <maswan> (but a different tree of fai nfsroot/config/etc)
[18:50] <bluefoxxx> a colleague had indicated that FAI was more a Debian thing and Kickstart was more of a RH thing
[18:50] <maswan> yeah, it is
[18:51] <maswan> But since we came from the debian/ubuntu side and then added some RH, we kept the kickstart for minimal OS and then did it FAI:y for package install and conf
[18:51] <maswan> It is quite a step to setup the first time, but it is really good to have automatically deployable intsances once you scale up a bit.
[18:51] <maswan> For that it doesn't really matter which of the deployment solutions you choose
[18:52] <bluefoxxx> yeah that's what I"m getting with puppet
[18:52] <bluefoxxx> I"ve written like 400 lines of puppet code
[18:52] <bluefoxxx> just for a configuration module for puppet
[18:52] <maswan> Yeah, that works too.
[18:53] <bluefoxxx> granted, it configures the client and server with various options, is supposed to port to debianites/rhelites, lets you use the distro repositories or the puppetlabs stuff, etc.
[18:54] <bluefoxxx> well, I'll have to compare FAI with the Foreman and see if anything is appropriate here
[18:55] <bluefoxxx> maswan, so many options.  I didn't put that much thought into it before :|
[18:56] <maswan> bluefoxxx: Yeah, it was easier back when we choose FAI, it was the only debian:y solution out there at, hmm, woody I tihnk it was. :)
[18:57] <bluefoxxx> My ideal scenario is a distribution which handles all the "getting set up" part for you.  Something that will easily put in a running FAI/Kickstart/Foreman/etc, Puppet/Chef/Ansible/etc, deploy a caching server for Deb and RPM, patch management, domains/LDAP (hey, Samba 4!) for authentication, integration with existing network environment (active directory server -> authentication)...
[18:57] <bluefoxxx> without doing 10 hours of configuration just to get to the point where you can start configuring the software to do something besides just basically idle
[18:58] <bluefoxxx> but then, I am a lazy mook
[18:58] <bluefoxxx> Thing is there's apparently a ton of ways to do this :|
[18:58] <bluefoxxx> suddenly, not so simple a problem
[18:59] <maswan> Yeah. And new ones are frequently invented too.
[19:02] <penguin42> bluefoxxx: Isn't this what preseeding is supposed to be about?
[19:03] <bluefoxxx> ... ten million ways to do this
[19:03] <penguin42> yep
[19:09] <andrei_> Sorry for the rather newbie message but, I have been trying to find a project(blueprint as it is called) to work on and I'm not sure even how to find one on which I can work.
[19:09] <andrei_> I have never used launchbad before.
[19:12] <bluefoxxx> andrei_,  put in google:  blueprints for ubuntu 13.04
[19:13] <bluefoxxx> the first result is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring ... not comprehensive by far, but a good place to start :)
[19:14] <andrei_> bluefoxxx: thank you
[19:22] <andrei_> if I decide to work on a project, what is the next step ? ( assuming it has an assignee )
[19:28] <bluefoxxx> I don't know.  E-mail the person it's assigned to and ask.  They probably know what they're doing.


[09:15] <schopin> monotux: if possible, have you tried rebooting? `netplan apply` uses custom code to try and apply the new configuration, but it might not be as reliable as the networkd generator that's used at startup


[04:21] <CO_Mau_nonton_sm> download and install http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar
[07:21] <nigelb> gah!
[23:21] <cjohnston> AlanBell: if your interested, bug 681960 could probably use a patch to follow the design team guidelines.. not positive that it would be accepted, however, it does seem valid to me
[23:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681960 in ubuntu-website "links are in four different colors on wiki, causes extreme confusion (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681960


[09:36] <j0nr> do i really have to get in touch with 7digital if there are problems completing the download?
[09:36] <j0nr> whats the average time from buyig music to actually being able to play it?
[09:37] <j0nr> i just assume at least a day (in my experience), which is a bit poor. I would e3xpect it to be available straight away (as long as download takes)
[09:39] <j0nr> i retract my last 2 statements (bad day sorry)
[17:14] <SoWhat> can somebody tell me, why Share, Synchronise, Stop publishing and Copy public link  choices are disabled in Ubuntu One folder?
[21:51] <mandel_> jdobrien`, ping?


[10:45] <TDP> hello
[10:45] <pavlushka> hey
[10:47] <TDP> hello I am new in hexchat
[10:48] <pavlushka> that's cool
[10:51] <TDP> yea
[10:52] <pavlushka> so what's up?
[11:04] <TDP> hey pavlushka are you from Bangladesh ?
[11:05] <pavlushka> yes
[11:06] <TDP> Oooo
[19:03] <pavlushka> zaki: o/


[02:45] <mwhudson> RAOF: i seem to recall that i was talking to you when i added what's now part 4 of this bugs test case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1951033
[02:45] <mwhudson> RAOF: do you remember what this was about?
 "RAOF (he/his): do you remember..." <- I believe that was about graphics drivers in snaps linking to the core glibc and sometimes getting broken by it?
[02:53] <mwhudson> RAOF: hm ok, do you know a snap like that off the top of your head?
[02:53] <RAOF> The test case would be something like “run some GL-using snaps, on each of the supported graphics drivers”
[02:54] <RAOF> Any flutter snap should suffice, I think?
[02:54] <RAOF> That's probably the simplest option.
[02:54] <mwhudson> ok
[02:54] <mwhudson> so we still need a core20 snap with the new glibc in first?
[02:55] <RAOF> Maybe?
[02:55] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:56] <RAOF> The host graphics drivers get copied in, but not the glibc, right?
[02:56] <mwhudson> i don't know!
[02:57] <mwhudson> i'm still an ubuntu server developer at heart :)
[03:00] <RAOF> I think that's how it works 😬
[03:00] <Unit193> I still think of you as the golang guy.
[03:06] <RAOF> mwhudson: are you familiar with using the testflinger infrastructure? That might be the easiest way to smoke-test the {all supported releases} × {all supported drivers} matrix.
[03:06] <mwhudson> Unit193: that's mostly William (Wilson) now!
[03:07] <mwhudson> RAOF: no, mabye i should become familiar with that
[03:07] <mwhudson> well more familiar, i have heard of it
[03:07] <mwhudson> but first it's time to go into the big blue room for a bit
[08:40] <serkan_> hi. any ideas how to preseed Ubuntu 21.04 and 22.0 desktop! ISO for autoinstall. with older ISOs my solution works since those ISOs still have isolinux folder. I pass preseed file to kernel command line in isolinux config. it works. doing the same in grub config file in 22.x and 21.x does not seem to work.
[09:44] <RikMills> \o/ this now exists https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kinetic-changes
[09:45] <Unit193> Last I looked it didn't exist on LP/the mirrors. :3
[09:45] <RikMills> one step at a time
[09:46] <Unit193> (I'm waiting for the repo so I can add it to ubottu.)
[09:56] <mwhudson> RikMills: not sure my subscription attempt went anywhere when i tried to subscribe earlier though
[10:14] <cjwatson> Unit193: initializing it at the moment
[10:14] <Unit193> Nice, will add it my tomorrow then.  Thanks.
[10:14] <RikMills> mwhudson: it subscribe me ok just a little while ago. or at least appeared to. I got the right responses back
[10:46] <mwhudson> RikMills: hmm tried again and it worked. maybe i typoed the email address earlier :)
[11:31] <RikMills> and kinetic is here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[11:33] <ricotz> you stalking a kudu ;P
[11:34] <RikMills> ppa builds also seem to work....
[11:34] <RikMills> ricotz: it seems so
[11:37] <ricotz> so switching the sources.list already works :)
[11:53] <laney> but who will be the first to dist-upgrade..?
[11:54] <ricotz> just keep it rolling ...
[12:24] <ahasenack> hi, the mariadb build in launchpad is failing, and this looks like is the problem:
[12:24] <ahasenack> 2022-04-14  8:11:49 0 [Warning] mariadbd: io_uring_queue_init() failed with ENOMEM: try larger memory locked limit, ulimit -l, or https://mariadb.com/kb/en/systemd/#configuring-limitmemlock under systemd (262144 bytes required)
[12:24] <ahasenack> it builds fine in a lxd container in a bare metal machine I have access to
[12:24] <ahasenack> so the question is, does it need a "bigger" builder vm? How can that be done?
[12:24] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.6/1:10.6.7-3/+build/23488405
[12:32] <ahasenack> looks like it needs a slightly higher limit for memlock
[13:34] <ddstreet_away> ahasenack or maybe it should be fixed to handle failing to memlock, that's a problem with a few 'special' applications that think they should be exempt from ever swapping any of their memory, e.g. bug: #1911904
[13:34] <ahasenack> I'm trying a build with some measurements, to see if it's even trying to raise the limit
[13:34] <cjwatson> ahasenack: there are no bigger builder vms, that's not a thing
[13:35] <cjwatson> memlock limit may be tweakable with some effort, but also what ddstreet_away said
[13:36] <ddstreet> ahasenack raising the limit will likely only delay the crash, and probably is the wrong approach
[13:37] <ahasenack> this is for a test it runs during build
[13:37] <ddstreet> if you read that bug, i laid out the issue in some detail
[13:37] <ahasenack> I will, thanks
[13:37] <ddstreet> but i am pretty sure simply raising its limit is the wrong thing to do
[13:38] <ahasenack> hilariously, it builds on the problematic architectures, like armhf and rsync :)
[13:38] <ahasenack> er, s/rsync/riscv64/
[13:38] <ahasenack> armhf I know is in lxd, risc I don't know
[13:46] <ddstreet> ahasenack it looks like there is a --memlock param so i assume that's what is failing the test case, and from a quick 60 second scan of the code it seems like it only locks current memory (not future) in which case simply raising the RLIMIT_MEMLOCK would work, however that's not always possible inside (unprivileged) containers
[13:46] <ddstreet> in any case, good luck with it :)
[13:46] <ahasenack> I think it's a change that came with uring support
[13:47] <ahasenack> in any case, `262144 bytes required` doesn't seem like a lot
[13:52] <ddstreet> mariadb seems to try to provide a systemd service override too, to increase the LimitMEMLOCK, maybe that just is defaulting too low
[13:53] <ddstreet> so maybe bumping that is all that's needed, at least until it hits the new limit later ;-)
[13:56] <ahasenack> during the test I doubt it uses systemd
[13:56] <ahasenack> it's launched directly I bet
[13:58] <ahasenack> huh, ulimit -l shows 64 just before the test starts
[13:58] <ahasenack> that's lower than even the ubuntu default, on a fresh jammy vm
[14:12] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, the http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-<nn>-incoming-bug-tasks.html for bb, ff, ii have no desktop section which seems weird, is there any known issue with those?
[14:19] <schopin> Dumb question: is the kk archive opened for uploads?
[14:22] <ahasenack> check the #topic in #ubuntu-release, but no, not yet open
[15:35] <cjwatson> ahasenack: "armhf I know is in lxd"> that's for autopkgtest, not for Launchpad builds
[15:35] <cjwatson> ahasenack: all .deb package builds in Launchpad run in chroots of the appropriate Ubuntu series inside focal VMs
[15:36] <cjwatson> (at present)
[15:38] <ahasenack> ah, right
[15:38] <ahasenack> (armhf lxd)
[16:42] <bdmurray> enr0n: there is an #ubuntu-mirrors channel
[17:46] <enr0n> bdmurray: cool, thanks
[18:13] <bdmurray> seb128: I don't see desktop-packages in rls-ii but then I don't see foundations-bugs there either because they are no bugs which are tagged rls-ii-incoming for those teams
[18:13] <bdmurray> I do see desktop-packages in rls-ff-incoming
[18:46] <ahasenack> schopin: hi, during the openssl3 transition, did you encounter sendmail patches by any chance?
[18:47] <ahasenack> or a git repo from upstream?
[18:47] <schopin> That doesn't sound familiar, no.
[19:35] <ahasenack> schopin: did you have a tag for openssl3 related build failures?
[19:57] <vorlon> hallyn: heya - so this was not on my radar, but I can take care of merging the new upstream version early in kinetic cycle.  I'll let the current version hit the release pocket first though, to get rid of krb5 dependencies
[19:58] <hallyn> vorlon: great, thanks


[00:12]  * thumper is back
[00:12] <thumper> rockstar: I've got the popup-diff working perfectly
[00:12] <thumper> rockstar: I'd like you to take another look
[00:19] <rockstar> thumper, okay.  I looked at your markup yesterday, and saw some issues.  Have you checked it across browsers?
[00:19] <rockstar> I'm not sure if it's going to work across browsers.
[00:19] <thumper> rockstar: it works in konq
[00:19] <thumper> rockstar: what were the issues you saw?
[00:20] <rockstar> thumper, the ones I'm concerned about are IE and Opera, for the opposite reasons. Opera is standards compliant, so the nesting of tables is inconsistent enough to freak it out, and IE ignores standards and sticks its head in its butt.
[00:21] <thumper> rockstar: I don't have the environment set up to test ie
[00:21] <thumper> rockstar: we can use ec2?
[00:22] <rockstar> thumper, but IE issues with the overlay itself are known.
[00:22] <rockstar> thumper, we can, but I don't know how to do it.  I have a Windows vm I used last week.
[00:23] <thumper> ...
[00:23]  * thumper thinks
[00:23] <thumper> rockstar: where do I get opera from?
[00:23] <rockstar> thumper, there are debs for opera available.
[00:24] <thumper> rockstar: I think I could tweak my local settings to have a local windowd box to look
[00:28] <rockstar> thumper, I'd be happy to check what it looks like, but just looking at your code, it's not going to work on IE.
[00:29] <thumper> rockstar: I'm booting windows on another laptop
[00:29] <thumper> rockstar: and downloading opera
[00:29] <rockstar> ...for the same reason the current incarnation of the wizard widget will never work on IE.
[00:30] <rockstar> thumper, so I'd first suggest a if (Y.UA.IE) { return; } in the connect stuff.
[00:31] <thumper> rockstar: it doesn't seem to be connecting in opera either
[00:32]  * rockstar wonders if we updated lazr-js in the versions.cfg
[00:33] <thumper> rockstar: are there examples elsewhere where we do this?
[00:34] <rockstar> thumper, the subscriber stuff does it.  lib/canonical/launchpad/javascript/code/branchsubscription.js
[00:34] <thumper> ok
[00:34] <thumper> so... why doesn't it work?
[00:35] <rockstar> thumper, by the way, I'm working on a subscription widget that makes that code better, because it sucks terribly right now.
[00:35] <thumper> rockstar: excellent
[00:35] <thumper> I'd love to get this and the other branches landed asap
[00:35] <thumper> nothing like shaking things out like real use
[00:35] <thumper> :)
[00:36] <rockstar> thumper, so, in IE, it won't work because the overlay uses a table layout, and IE hateses innerHTML on tables.
[00:37] <thumper> hmm..
[00:38] <thumper> the overlay is also broken in that it give everything id=shadow
[00:38] <thumper> v.bad
[00:39] <rockstar> thumper, yes, I need to fix that as well.
[00:39] <thumper> arse
[00:39] <thumper> I can't get my windows laptop to see the local launchpad on my laptop
[00:40] <rockstar> thumper, so once you draw the overlay, in IE you can't update it.
[00:40] <rockstar> thumper, you'll have to edit your apache configs to listen on the public interface.
[00:40] <wgrant> thumper: https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/RemoteAccess
[00:41] <thumper> rockstar: did that
[00:41] <thumper> wgrant: ta
[00:44] <rockstar> thumper, can you change the lazr-js popupdiff namespace to code.branchmergeproposal.popupdiff ?  I'm going to send an email to our team (and eventually to the list) on the organization of namespaces.
[00:45] <thumper> rockstar: sure
[00:45] <thumper> rockstar: although
[00:46] <thumper> rockstar: why add the branchmergeproposal into the namespace?
[00:46] <thumper> rockstar: it is used on branch and bug pages
[00:46] <rockstar> thumper, also, Y.popupdiff = Y.namespace('code.popupupdiff') is probably unnecessary.  Do you have a specific reason for it?
[00:47] <thumper> no
[00:47] <thumper> not really
[00:47] <rockstar> thumper, yes, but diffs hang off merge proposals.
[00:47] <thumper> I just copied that from other samples
[00:48] <rockstar> thumper, so you could do "var namespace = Y.namespace('code...')" and then use namespace as a shortcut var to the namespace.  Attaching it to Y is kinda pointless.
[00:49] <thumper> rockstar: I don't think we use in internally
[00:49] <thumper> rockstar: just to get access to the methods from outside I think
[00:49] <rockstar> thumper, yea, you'll notice that all of us have been doing things oddly.  We're learning.
[00:49] <thumper> :)
[00:49] <rockstar> thumper, yeah, but you use it to define "connect_diff_links"
[00:50] <thumper> oh, ok
[00:50] <thumper> can we just then go "Y.code.branchmergeproposal.popupdiff.connect_diff_links()" ?
[00:50] <rockstar> thumper, yes.
[00:51] <thumper> ok
[00:52] <rockstar> thumper, the javascript needs documentation.
[00:52] <thumper> :)
[00:55] <wgrant> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "ImportError instance has no attribute 'message'")
[00:55] <wgrant> Local codehosting is unhappy with me.
[00:57] <thumper> damn
[01:09] <thumper> wgrant: I just used local codehosting to get some branches in
[01:11] <wgrant> thumper: Hm, odd. I must have broken something at some point.
[01:59] <rockstar> wgrant, I wonder if codehosting can't find one of the needed libraries.  I suggest looking at the oopses.
[13:39] <leonardr> in the absence of an on-call reviewer let me restate my humble request for someone to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/latest-version/+merge/14791
[14:01] <bac> leonardr: i can review it for you.
[14:01] <leonardr> bac, thanks
[14:01] <leonardr> i've got a sequel coming soon
[14:08] <bac> leonardr: looks good.
[14:10] <leonardr> great
[14:16] <henninge> Hi abentley!
[14:16] <abentley> henninge: Hi!
[14:51] <abentley> sinzui: If you mention my nick when you request a review, I'll respond promptly.
[14:51] <sinzui> abentley: sorry, I was promptly pinged after I updated the topic, went into a meeting, then was pinged again
[14:52] <abentley> sinzui: np.
[15:02] <leonardr> abentley or henninge, can you add https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/active-versions/+merge/14912 to the queue?
[15:04] <abentley> leonardr: queued.
[15:04] <abentley> sinzui: r=me on musette-and-drums
[15:05] <sinzui> thanks. By tomorrow there may be no open trivial bug in the registry
[15:21] <abentley> sinzui: On involvement-code-link-bug-482256, what would you think about mentioning the product by name in the Link?
[15:22] <sinzui> That would be inconsistent with the involvement menu We do not do that for the dozen other exceptions
[15:24] <abentley> sinzui: Dozen other exceptions to what?
[15:26] <sinzui> The involvement menu is about the pillar. The links are activated for and by the pillar. We have exceptions for many subordinate objects to enable or disable the links for series and package, for each facet
[15:26] <sinzui> We also have exceptions for project-groups because the are broken by design
[15:27] <abentley> sinzui: I see.  r=me.
[15:28] <sinzui> fab
[15:30] <abentley> sinzui: I just thought the phrasing was a bit awkward and terminology-laden, and since we already knew what the series' product was...
[15:33] <sinzui> abentley: I understand. The menu and the 3.0 headers may need more reconciliation to make it clear what is going on. Since few project enable official_codehosting, this oops from the menu was rarely seen. Yet the goal of the involvement menu to to encourage projects to choose official_codehosting
[21:46] <rockstar> thumper, did you see my review?
[21:47] <thumper> rockstar: yeah, I think so
[21:47] <rockstar> thumper, I also forgot that we had talked about disabling Opera and IE last night - other than that and the things I recommended, we should land it.