[00:29] <waltman> jedijf: I'm a lost cause
[00:38] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: TheLordOfTime is right. Your specs dont match your technology.
[02:14] <InHisName> I checked back on mem stick.  Yep this is what is printed on the 184 pin mem stick.  ----  1GB PC3200 DDR CL3 400MHz  184 pin memory for desktop ?    is 184 pin memory not really DDR ?
[02:20] <ChinnoDog> oh, I got it. The 400Mhz was throwing me off. (Clock is actually 200Mhz)
[02:20] <ChinnoDog> I think I have 2gb of that around here somewhere
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> Unless I gave it away. Trying to remember
[02:54] <InHisName> even a single stick of 1GB will work.    One of my sticks got a sticky bit somewhere in it.   Just replacing that one will put me back to 2GB again.
[02:55] <InHisName> It's really old memory.   Best Buy didn't have ANY DDR   just 2's & 3's.
[02:58] <TheLordOfTime> InHisName, im' not surprised.
[02:58] <TheLordOfTime> DDR is ancient-grade technology
[02:58] <TheLordOfTime> EBay'd be your source.
[02:58] <TheLordOfTime> try to find redistributed RAM sticks of that type
[02:58] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not even sure they still *MAKE* DDR
[02:59] <InHisName> I checked, they mostly have ECC and registered and 'High Density'   <---- not for Intel, Sony, Dell, HP, etc.
[03:00] <InHisName> That's why I asked for a 'spare' memory from your old memories bin.
[03:03] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: Run memtest86 and identify the bad memory range and then exclude it
[03:04] <InHisName> How to exclude It?     I asked Sat at PACSLinux and jedijf said to buy another, cant mark bits bad.
[06:20] <InHisName> Got a web site link to tell me how to 'exclude' the bad bits range of a RAM ?
[11:01] <rmg51> Morning
[12:27] <jedijf> InHisName: you didn't ask me
[12:28] <jedijf> InHisName: http://www.pricewatch.com/system_memory/
[12:37] <waltman> Morning
[12:45] <waltman> So my iPad is shipping from Lewisberry, PA (near Harrisburg) and might actually arrive today. But my Smart Cover(tm) is shipping all the way from Shenzhen and won't be here until Thursday.
[12:50] <jedijf> that's good for china
[12:50] <jedijf> my average time from seeed studio in Shenzhen is like 10 days; and I'm happy with that
[12:51] <waltman> I just figured that it would be the opposite -- plenty of local covers but they'd have to ship the device from China.
[12:52] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:52] <waltman> I ordered stuff from Deal Extreme once. Insane low prices, but the stuff took like a month to arrive.
[12:53] <waltman> Their offices in Hong Kong had to wait to receive things from Shenzhen, then had to ship it to me on a slow boat from China. :)
[13:31] <jedijf> yeah i ebayed something from china took 3 weeks - seeed studio at 10 days gets my china work - now i do north america only for ebay
[13:31] <jedijf> Shenzhen is definitely a place to visit at least once though, it seems
[14:30] <InHisName> jedijf: I originally asked all of you and only ChinnoDog replied, so we had a conversation for a while.   He seemed to think I can mark off bad sections of a RAM and keep using it a bit smaller.   That would save me from spending more $$ on really old stuff if I can really do that.
[14:32] <InHisName> I still eBay to china places provided a month or more wait is fine with me.   Like I use my last spare xyz, so order one from China to come by slow boat is just the right price.  If I did want it soon, then no China orders.
[14:33] <InHisName> Thanks for link to remind me of an old favorite haunt (pricewatch)
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: pretty sure that you can pass a parameter to the kernel that will exclude a memory range. I ran a Windows system that way for a very long time. (Window's kernel memory exclusion is not as flexible but I lucked out because the bad chip was at the top of the memory range)
[15:06] <InHisName> Got a link how to exclude for ubuntu, ChinnoDog ?  Being easier than Windows you describe would be real nice.
[15:12] <ChinnoDog> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=860631
[15:13] <ChinnoDog> Ignore those posts about buying more RAM. idk why people can't just answer the question asked instead of suggesting the solution the poster is obviously avoiding
[15:34] <InHisName> Thanks, for the link.   I checked into prices for obsolete memory and frequently an 8GB stick is cheaper than an OLD 512MB one.   Sometimes I have a HIT at the giveaway table at PACS that is nice. Not the last 3 months, though.
[15:41] <ChinnoDog> Just use the memmap parameter
[15:44] <InHisName> Nice the instructions say add memmap param to the menu.lst in grub.....
[15:44] <InHisName> except I am using grub2.0
[15:44] <InHisName> Still reading to see if someone updates comment.
[16:06] <InHisName> Here's a good link for that too, ChinnoDog.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BadRAM
[16:06] <InHisName> I says how to do it in grub2
[16:21] <ChinnoDog> That involves building a kernel patch. Is that really necessary?
[17:03] <jedijf> memmap the area - add to grub2 with single quotes
[17:23] <InHisName> That's what the last link says in the grub2 section.  Not kernel messing, just adjust the GRUB_BADRAM= setting in the /etc/default/grub  file     lastly do grub update
[17:24] <InHisName> I'm partway there now.
[17:27] <ChinnoDog> Tell us when you are done so you can amaze us.
[17:31] <InHisName> I did the update-grub and now rebooting.    I noticed that memtest86 is installed according to software center.  How to run from   either gui or terminal mode ?      Issuing memtest or memtest86 did not work in terminal mode.  Nor is it in man pages.
[17:36] <InHisName> booted up, now.    System monitor reports 1.9GB memory.   Is there a way to see how many BYTES I have without the rounding ?   probably a terminal command
[17:37] <InHisName> I had to disable the motherboard RAM testing to boot.   Seems OK so far.
[17:38] <InHisName> I set the sticks so the bad one was in the upper slot.  So the OS is in the more stable stick.   I want to test the upper stick more to be sure I excluded all the bad bytes.
[17:45] <ChinnoDog> I don't think you can do it like that. You can only test all memory and get a complete memory report
[17:46] <ChinnoDog> I would think 'cat /proc/meminfo' would tell you everything you need
[17:46] <InHisName> How many bytes is 2GB memory ?    2x2^9 or 2 billion bytes ?
[17:46] <ChinnoDog> 2*2^30
[17:46] <InHisName> free reports 2030835
[17:47] <InHisName> which comes to 1.936Gigs
[17:47] <InHisName> I only blocked 32Meg (I think)
[17:48] <InHisName> I'll check that meminfo
[18:23] <InHisName> Installed something called 'memtester'.     Now that I've figured out how to do syntax,  It is finding more errors, just not as many as before.
[18:37] <ChinnoDog> Even if you bought more memory there is no guarantee that it would help. In a system as old as yours it could also be bad address lines. Probably best to just make this work.
[18:42] <InHisName> That's another good reason.    Seems the bad memory travels with moving it to the other slot.  So it seems to be more memory dependent than socket addressing dependent.   I think I need to run memtest86 some more to isolate more bad areas.   As long as I don't toss away too much memory in exclusions.
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> Yea, bad address lines.
[23:03] <waltman> *SIGH*
[23:03] <waltman> ENOIPAD :(
[23:09] <pleia2> there there
[23:10] <waltman> I made a typo in my shipping address, so they tried to deliver it somewhere else.
[23:10] <waltman> Now I have to wait until Tuesday or Wednesday. :(
[23:11] <waltman> Fedex doesn't deliver on Monday!
[23:11] <pleia2> doh
[23:11] <waltman> It took me calls to Fedex and Apple just to change the address.
[23:12] <waltman> One scenario is that Fedex tries again on Tuesday, fails, brings it back to their warehouse, and THEN discovers the address change request.
[23:13] <waltman> I don't understand how, in 2012, an address change request submitted 2 1/2 days in advance might not make it in time.
[23:15] <waltman> Obviously it's my own fault for mistyping my own address, but it wouldn't even have been necessary if Apple's order system had an option to ship to the billing address on my iTunes account.
[23:18] <waltman> So I'm a little grumpy. I was all psyched when I saw it was going to be delivered today, but now I have to wait another 2-3 days.
[23:18] <waltman> er, 3-4 days.
[23:23] <waltman> So, like, I kinda feel like smashing something.


[09:45] <Jordan_U> Can anyone help me explain dmesg, and other things, to ubuntunewbie?
[09:46] <bazhang> Jordan_U, does not !dmesg do it?
[09:47] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Thanks, I hope it will :)
[09:47] <bazhang> :)


[06:42] <tepsipakki> bryce: aren't xorg-docs and xorg-sgml-doctools syncable?
[10:03] <bryce> tepsipakki: what do you mean?
[10:12] <tepsipakki> they are at -2 in debian
[10:12] <tepsipakki> same upstream
[10:18] <bryce> yes, they could be sync'd
[10:18] <bryce> I don't know if the changes are really that significant though, but wouldn't hurt to sync them
[10:20] <bryce> anyway, g'night!
[10:20] <tepsipakki> yeah, night!
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #118667 in xorg (main) "xorg consumes a huge amount of memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118667
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118798 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "X crashes when simultaneous rendering is triggered" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118798
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #17908 in xserver-xorg-video-s3 (main) "[s3]  breaks vga16fb after server start" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/17908
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #35627 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "dual video (radeon+voodoo) is broken" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35627
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #47925 in xorg-server (main) "Synaptics touchpad not configured in xorg.conf on Samsung X20 (dup-of: 40503)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47925
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #118848 in xorg (main) "Video not detected on Lenovo T60P WS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118848
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #118852 in xrandr (main) "please make a -dbgsym package for Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118852
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #45881 in xresprobe (main) "The refresh rates for my monitor were not set during install" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45881


[00:10] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I have can be available for ubuntu on air
[00:10] <ahoneybun> *I have a day
[00:11] <ahoneybun> just give me a week notice at the least


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[22:38] <Guest40901> Hello, just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for Ubuntu Mate! :D


[19:03] <logan> it's me, the memory guy, again. Turns out there is no memory remap command in my BIOS. is there anything else I could try?
[19:03] <Exilant> have a nice evening
[19:04] <Bauldrick> Hi - I'd like to run a python script at boot, can I just create an init.d start/stop script
[19:04] <jussi01> !bum | Bauldrick
[19:05] <logan> in case anyone else could help, i'm on a 64-bit version of Ubuntu and i'm trying to get my computer to recognize all 4Gb of my RAM. It currently only recognizes 3Gb.
[19:06] <nuno__> whats the name of the plasmoid to show the desktop?
[19:06] <jwheaton> @logan:  is your board rated for 4gb?
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> nuno__: Show Desktop
[19:07] <logan> jwheaton: i believe so, my Vista installation recognizes all four gigabytes.
[19:07] <mado> hi guys and gals :)
[19:07] <mado> Darthfrog: are you around?
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> logan: did you install the 64 bit version of Kubuntu?
[19:08] <jwheaton> logan:  you may also want to check your BIOS manufacturer's website.  Sometimes they name these things differently.
[19:08] <FreakCERS> Hi there, I'm in a bit of a pickle - I was helping a friend of mine installing kubuntu (8.10) on a laptop he and his unit will be using for entertainment while on duty in afgahnistan (they leave on wednesday), but after install, the laptop will not boot - not from harddrive, not from any CD - after BIOS, there's just black screen
[19:08] <FreakCERS> can you offer any tips for recovering it?
[19:08] <Tekhne> i'm trying to upgrade to 8.10 like everyone else :) however, in using the adept_manager, clicking finish at the end of the upgrade wizard dialog doesn't launch the distribution upgrade tool. is that something i can run manually? if so, what's the command?
[19:09] <logan> its actually the full Ubuntu, and yes, it is the 64-bit version. and my CPU is an Intel Core 2 Duo T5200 1.56GHz 64-bit.
[19:09] <nuno__> do-release-update -d
[19:09] <Tekhne> nuno__: is that for me?
[19:09] <nuno__> yes
[19:09] <Tekhne> thanks!
[19:10] <violinappren> wasn't there an option in settemsettings to select the default file manager?
[19:10] <mado> oy ... i have a problem with sound ... i use kubuntu 8.10 ... i don't get it ... i had sound shortly before the desktop finished loading ... i heard a bit of the start up tune ... but now ... i don't have any sound at all ... weird ... can you help me??
[19:10] <nuno__> Tekhne:worked?
[19:10] <Tekhne> nuno__: hmm, not found
[19:10] <nuno__> Tekhne: worked?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> violinappren: if you go to the advanced tab -> file associations you can change the default association for inode/folder
[19:10] <nuno__> Tekhne: you used -d?
[19:10] <Tekhne> yea
[19:10] <judd_> hi folks, I just completed installation of  Kubuntu 8.10 i386 on my thinkpad T61, and it boots OK, but after the KDM login, KDE fails to start, I get one clear icon of a HDD, and three fuzzy icons.  I've waited an hour.
[19:11] <Tekhne> do-release-update command not found
[19:11] <nuno__> oh
[19:11] <violinappren> JontheEchidna: yeah i knew but it doesn't work with the "device notifier"
[19:12] <violinappren> always launches dolphin
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> the device notifier is hardcoded to use dolphin I think
[19:13] <Tekhne> nuno__: hmm, seems to exist in /usr/bin
[19:13] <DarkShinigami> Hello all
[19:13] <DarkShinigami> Is it "safe" to upgrade to 8.10 or should it wait?
[19:13] <Tekhne> nuno__: trying to figure out why sudo says "command not found"
[19:13] <costa58> ciao a tutti
[19:13] <DarkShinigami> Tekhne: What are you entering?
[19:13] <Riverfount> olá pessoal, estou com problemas com o Kubuntu 8.10, alguém poderia me auxiliar???
[19:14] <Tekhne> nuno__: sudo do-release-update -d
[19:14] <costa58> non mi funziona l'audio
[19:14] <Tekhne> nuno__: however, sudo /usr/bin/do-release-update -d seems to be working
[19:14] <Tekhne> hmm
[19:14] <jt66> DarkShinigami, watch this channel for a while and you can decide
[19:14] <DarkShinigami> Tekhne: Is do-release-update a command?
[19:14] <jussi01> !it | costa58
[19:14] <Tekhne> DarkShinigami: yea
[19:14] <Riverfount> sorry!!!
[19:15] <jussi01> DarkShinigami: Id say wait a while because of:
[19:15] <jussi01> !slow
[19:15] <jt66> just
[19:15] <DarkShinigami> jt66: I meant, "is everyone and their grandparents updating to 8.10 right now and the upgrade will take forever and a year, or is it safe to get it going now?"
[19:15] <costa58> #ubuntu-it
[19:15] <MrBallZ> !torrents
[19:15] <DarkShinigami> That did it
[19:15] <DarkShinigami> I got the torrent
[19:16] <jt66> DarkShinigami, yes
[19:16] <jussi01> costa58: /join #ubuntu-it
[19:16] <DarkShinigami> Took about 10 minutes at most to download
[19:16] <DarkShinigami> Probably not that long, even
[19:17] <Tekhne> DarkShinigami, nuno__: anyway, thanks for the help...do-release-update seems to be working now
[19:17] <Tekhne> DarkShinigami, nuno__: ps -- what does the -d flag do?
[19:17] <stoned> hi
[19:17] <stoned> I have debian lenny and kde3 atm
[19:17] <stoned> i wish to try the new kubuntu 8.10 kde4
[19:17] <stoned> which dir does kde4 use?
[19:17] <stoned> should I rename it to something else before trying kde4?
[19:17] <dda> Tekhne: i had to change nicks , im nuno
[19:18] <stoned> please advise, as I'd like to keep my settings of the debian distro but use the same drive as /home
[19:18] <Tekhne> dda: ah, okay. what does the -d flag do?
[19:18] <jussi01> StoneApple: it uses .kde
[19:18] <stoned> dual boot kubuntu also
[19:18] <dda> Tekhne: i dont really know xD
[19:18] <dda> someone told me
[19:18] <Tekhne> dda: okay
[19:19] <dda> How can i see the desktop files?
[19:19] <stoned> anyone
[19:19] <DarkShinigami> I'm glad I have a backup laptop to use as my guinnea pig for new installs. :)
[19:19] <jwheaton> Tekhe:  do-releate-update -h   -- that will tell you
[19:19] <jwheaton> Tekhne:  -d is "development release"
[19:19] <jt66> stoned if you are going to dual boot then it wont matter
[19:20] <stoned> yes it will because /home will be shared between debian kde3 and kubuntu kde4
[19:20] <Tekhne> jwheaton: ah, so should i not do a development release? i just want the normal stable stuff.
[19:20] <stoned> so if kde4 is going to write to ~/.kde or somewhere else
[19:20] <stoned> that is myentire question
[19:20] <jussi01> dda: using the folderview plasmoid
[19:20] <jt66> stoned ok i did not see that you had mentioned a common /home
[19:20] <jwheaton> Tekhne:  personally, i'd try without the -d
[19:20] <Tekhne> jwheaton: okay
[19:20] <stoned> jt66, np
[19:20] <jussi01> stoned: as I said, it uses ~/.kde
[19:20] <jwheaton> Tekhne:  if that doesn't work, try the -d
[19:20] <stoned> you didn't
[19:21] <Tekhne> jwheaton: yea, w/o -d, nothing happens
[19:21] <ubuntu> !es
[19:21] <Tekhne> jwheaton: thanks
[19:21] <jussi01> stoned: [21:18:09] <jussi01> StoneApple: it uses .kde
[19:21] <stoned> ok so I can keep my /home/stoned shared between kubuntu and debian without a problem
[19:21] <jwheaton> stoned:  it converts your kde3 settings to kde4 settings.  there is no going back
[19:21] <stoned> jussi01, uhm
[19:21] <jt66> stoned so save  /home whatever you want to perserve somewhere so you can get your setting back incase of tragedy
[19:21] <stoned> who is stoneapple?
[19:21] <stoned> not me.
[19:21] <jussi01> typo
[19:21] <stoned> you can't blame for not seeing it
[19:21] <stoned> ten
[19:22] <stoned> then*
[19:22] <jwheaton> jussi01: craving a nice granite apple are you?
[19:22] <jwheaton> ;)
[19:22] <stoned> jwheaton, thats what I 'm aafraid of
[19:22] <jussi01> stoned: to be honest I would not share home dirs like that
[19:22] <stoned> if I decide to reboot and select debian, I want to simply have it have my kde3 settings
[19:22] <stoned> ok
[19:22] <stoned> whatever
[19:23] <stoned> looks like I can't get a stright snawer here
[19:23] <stoned> everyone with thier little opinions
[19:23] <jwheaton> stoned:  if you are dual-booting, it doesn't matter
[19:23] <stoned> yes it does
[19:23] <jussi01> jwheaton: he is planning to share separately mounted home partition
[19:23] <jwheaton> stoned:  you are reusing your /home mount?
[19:23] <jwheaton> doh...
[19:23] <stoned> just simply answer this question if you are able to.  Where does kde4 store all its settings?
[19:23] <FreakCERS> After installing kubuntu 8.10, my laptop only shows black screen after bios - can't even boot from a CDrom (knoppix/kubuntu/winxp) - any ideas what could cause that?
[19:23] <jwheaton> .kde
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> stone: ~/.kde
[19:24] <jussi01> stoned: in ~/.kde as I said!
[19:24] <stoned> jwheaton, great
[19:24] <jwheaton> ~/.kde ... as the crowd says
[19:24] <stoned> does it go into ~/.kde/kde4 or ~.kde ?
[19:24] <jwheaton> just ~/.kde
[19:24] <stoned> ok then I know what to do
[19:24] <jwheaton> it waves a magic wand over ~/.kde and kde4-ifies it.
[19:24] <stoned> mv my ~/.kde to ~/.kde3 and then install kubuntu and use my /home
[19:24] <stoned> simple
[19:24] <jwheaton> stoned: now there is a plan :)
[19:25] <stoned> I dunno why everybody was making it complex
[19:25] <punz> hey I'm trying to run compiz under kde4 but its using the gnome window dectorations, what's the path/name of the kde4 window manager? it's not kwin is it? (i'm pretty sure that's the built in compositing one)
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> not so simple if you boot in to debian
[19:25] <stoned> jeez I almsot lost my patience there :)
[19:25] <jwheaton> stoned:  it's the giddiness of release day
[19:25] <jwheaton> ;)
[19:26] <stoned> I hope this ubuntu version doesn't piss me off
[19:26] <stoned> not a single ubuntu has ever worked for me
[19:26] <jussi01> !ohmy | stoned
[19:26] <simi> hi , i installed amarok2 in kubuntu 8.10 and i have no sound in it, i searched for a fix i found this topic but i am not sure what to do, i do not want to break anything
[19:26] <stoned> I hope this ubuntu version doesn't give me human waste matter in liquid form
[19:27] <stoned> not a single ubuntu has ever worked for me
[19:27] <stoned> I try to boot a live cd or install it or whatever, my monitor goes into (no input signal)
[19:27] <jussi01> simi: do you have more than one sound device?
[19:27] <jt66> stoned i cant remember when any ubuntu flavor failed for me, interesting
[19:27] <stoned> if I boot windows or debian or DSL or knoppix I get my desktop
[19:28] <stoned> I have a HANNSG 22" LCD
[19:28] <stoned> and also in debian it doesn't work if i use fglrx
[19:28] <jussi01> simi: if so, then go to system settings - sounds and make sure the correct device has prority
[19:28] <stoned> and ubuntu it has never worked
[19:28] <stoned> ever
[19:28] <Simulacra7> another one who needs help here, running Kubuntu and did the version upgrade...box boots fine, gets to login screen, when logged in the background changes to the new swirly BG and the cursor changes...then freeze, nothing loads...any ideas?
[19:28] <stoned> I have to use a diff monitor to use ubuntu
[19:28] <jt66> stoned remove  quiet and splash options from boot line and see if the monitor works ok
[19:28] <stoned> its weird
[19:28] <stoned> I usually always do
[19:29] <stoned> I don't like bootsplashes
[19:29] <Bauldrick> so do i need this python script to create a pid so as I can kill again with init.d script???
[19:29] <stoned> I can however use the hd-media installer or netboot installer and install ubuntu that way
[19:29] <stoned> but as soon as I startx, monitor goes black and nothing works
[19:29] <stoned> whole system lockdown
[19:29] <simi> jussi01:  i have sound in vlc and other apps, in amarok i do not have sound(kde starting sound works too)
[19:29] <LeeJunFan> also remove framebuffer by setting vga=normal if you get no video signal.
[19:30] <stoned> uhm
[19:30] <stoned> read what I just said
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> Ah, so after X.
[19:30] <stoned> yessir
[19:30] <stoned> its fine up until it tries to load X
[19:30] <stoned> no matter which ubuntu version or flavor
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> I imagine if you set the vesa driver you'd be okay, but you'd miss out on accelerated gfx.
[19:31] <stoned> it just won't work with this HG216D HANNSG 22" HD LCD
[19:31] <jussi01> stoned: please provide some info about your system, ie: graphics card?
[19:31] <stoned> first of all vesa won't work, because none of the resolutions that vesa does my monitor cannot display
[19:31] <stoned> x1900xt ati
[19:31] <stoned> surprised me too
[19:32] <stoned> fglrx just doesn't work it crashes often if i can even get into X
[19:32] <stoned> radeonhd/readon driver sometimes occasionally works ok, but that is rare if i can get into X
[19:32] <stoned> same problem, no input signal on monitor and nothing else
[19:32] <jussi01> stoned: have you filed a bug?
[19:32] <stoned> if I do ctrl alt backspace, I go back to console
[19:32] <stoned> and monitor comes back
[19:32] <jussi01> stoned: if not, please do andwe  can take it from there.
[19:33] <stoned> ok
[19:33] <stoned> how do I file a bug without `reportbug`
[19:33] <dan_> ardchoille: an update from yesterday (screen freezing after logging in). I have downloaded again and tested on a machine at work. Got home and done a fresh install, same problem exists
[19:33] <stoned> (I can't get into ubuntu right now)
[19:33] <jussi01> !bug | stoned
[19:33] <stoned> ok
[19:33] <stoned> well anyway I'm just saying all this withouth aving tried new one
[19:33] <stoned> so let me try i just burned the 8.10 cd
[19:34] <stoned> if this doesn't work I'll file a bug
[19:34] <pucko-> do everyone have this flickering in the kde4 menus? (or are there just some graphic cards?)
[19:34] <jussi01> !enter | stoned
[19:34] <LeeJunFan> stoned: could be something to do with ubuntu not really using X config much any more, by default it's pretty empty and just uses the VESA modes that the monitor tells X it can handle.
[19:34] <ubuntu-dron> good evening
[19:34] <jwheaton> I had a heck of a time with my HP laptop's ancient ATI card.  8.10 is the first liveCD to boot nicely.
[19:34] <jt66> pucko-, no flicker here nvidia 5200 and other nvidia
[19:35] <stoned> let us hope that I can the same good fortune and luck as jwheaton
[19:35] <pucko-> jt66, flicker here too, but with intel card :-/
[19:35] <ubuntu-dron> does anyone know how to solve the flickering panel while running OpenOffice problem?
[19:36] <jt66> pucko-, i havent loaded 8.10 on an intel graphics card yet
[19:36] <jt66> only on nivida and works fine there
[19:37] <LeeJunFan> I had a flickering problem (full screen) with nvidia which stopped when I used nvidia official drivers, as for the kde menu flickering I don't use the kde menu - lancelot is way better IMHO.
[19:37] <jt66> LeeJunFan, lancelot replaces what exactly
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> kmenu
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> in kde4
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> it's a plasmoid. plasmoid-lancelot
[19:38] <jt66> LeeJunFan, so only the menu to the extreme left on the task bar?
[19:38] <LeeJunFan> yeah, is your flickering with all menus? in windows?
[19:39] <jt66> LeeJunFan, i dont have flickering pucko- did
[19:40] <jt66> LeeJunFan, what exactly is a plasmoid i see the word floating around
[19:40] <LeeJunFan> basically a module for plasma in kde4. when you right click on your desktop or panel you can add/remove plasmoids there.
[19:40] <LeeJunFan> The desktop view panel (folder view) on your desktop by default is an example of a plasmoid.
[19:41] <LeeJunFan> As is the menu button on the panel. lancelot is a replacement for the default kde menu plasmoid.
[19:41] <stoned> I don't like nvidia anymore
[19:41] <stoned> I prefer ATI now as I mainly use the radeonhd driver on debian
[19:41] <stoned> I don't require 3d
[19:41] <jwheaton> heh... I can't stand ATI
[19:41] <jwheaton> ;)
[19:41] <simi> jussi01: about no sound in amarok2  installing  "xine-ui" fix the problem but i do not know how and why
[19:41] <stoned> ATI is amazingly good HW
[19:41] <jt66> LeeJunFan, is there a Desktop plasmoid per desktop
[19:42] <stoned> very powerful devices.  The only gripe is with the binary drivers
[19:42] <jwheaton> Seems to be the shui of a certain system... ATI is better in some than others.
[19:42] <jwheaton> All of my nvidia cards have done everything I have asked them to do.
[19:42] <LeeJunFan> jt66: not sure what you mean
[19:42] <stoned> however, the open specs are helpful, I've built radeonhd from git as well as xorg and mesa and I've gotten 3d to work on the free driver
[19:42] <stoned> jwheaton, but they are not free...
[19:42] <jwheaton> That being said, my biggest issue was with that ancient HP laptop.  Just try and find drivers for old ATI mobile cards... ha ... ha ........ ha.
[19:42] <stoned> nvidia is closed.
[19:43] <jwheaton> stoned:  yeah.  nvidia needs to smarten up.
[19:43] <stoned> indeed they do
[19:43] <jt66> LeeJunFan, is the Desktop plasmoid on Desktop 1 the same Desktop Plasmoid as exists on Desktop 2
[19:43] <stoned> I wish intel would make gfx card
[19:43] <stoned> they would ROCK at it
[19:43] <jwheaton> ack!
[19:43] <stoned> and have completely free/open drivers
[19:44] <stoned> and be on the mobo
[19:44] <jwheaton> I like my computers like I like my stereo equipment:  components.
[19:44] <LeeJunFan> jt66: yeah, I don't think you can have separate ones per viewport, would be cool. Maybe a later version of kde4 will address that.
[19:44] <stoned> jwheaton, yeh well
[19:44] <bdizzle> hi, need some help with one of my partitions
[19:45] <stoned> just one of them?
[19:45] <bdizzle> ...yes
[19:45] <stoned> I'm sorry I usually only help with 2 partitions.
[19:45] <LeeJunFan> KDE4 is still largely unfinished, the core operations are mostly there, but a lot of the configurability has yet to be done.
[19:45] <bdizzle> it will let me read the data on them, but won't let me write to it at all
[19:45] <stoned> bdizzle, what are your mount options ?
[19:46] <stoned> bdizzle, it seems like a permission issue, either you have no perms on the partition, or you have no perms on the mount point
[19:46] <pucko-> how do I edit the kde4 menu items?
[19:46] <jt66> LeeJunFan, i like kde but find the docs horrible is there a good doc on 4.x
[19:46] <LeeJunFan> pucko-: right click the start button, menu editor is in there.
[19:46] <bdizzle> I think its the permissions, but it wouldn't let me modify them, even as root
[19:46] <stoned> even as root?
[19:46] <stoned> which file system is it?
[19:46] <pucko-> LeeJunFan: oh, thank you.
[19:46] <bdizzle> yeah
[19:46] <LeeJunFan> jt66: not really.
[19:47] <bdizzle> i think vfs for some reason
[19:47] <stoned> uhh
[19:47] <stoned> bdizzle, file -s /dev/putinyourpartitionhere
[19:47] <ArShAm> hi all
[19:47] <jt66> LeeJunFan, i havent kept up w 4.x and i am lost in the blizzard
[19:47] <bdizzle> I wish I could just wipe it and have it as my /home instead, would be useful for when I do eventually upgrade to Ibex
[19:47] <stoned> bdizzle, that will tell you what kinda file system you have
[19:47] <ArShAm> is there any strigi applets for kde?
[19:47] <bdizzle> it claims: /dev/sda1: writable, no read permission
[19:48] <stoned> uh
[19:48] <LeeJunFan> jt66: well, thing to remember with KDE4 if you're looking for an option and you can't find a way to configure it - it's probably because there isn't a way :( yet.
[19:48] <bdizzle> its claiming that for all of them for some reason
[19:48] <jt66> LeeJunFan, thanks for that tip
[19:49] <LeeJunFan> jt66: personally I'd say that when kde4.2 releases in January that's what should have been 4.0.
[19:49] <stoned> try as root
[19:49] <bdizzle> it says:    /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSDOS5.0", sectors/cluster 16, reserved sectors 34, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 2048, sectors 20480000 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 9991, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0xa20a9608, unlabeled
[19:50] <jt66> LeeJunFan, kde does so much it is a wonder the developers can keep up with any of it
[19:50]  * jt66 is away: I'm busy
[19:50] <ArShAm> which desktop searching is recommended ? ( strigi, tracker, beagle )
[19:52] <_CrashMaster_> Is there a process to make Kubuntu 8.10 drop back to KDE3?
[19:52] <impulze> lol?
[19:52] <bdizzle> not that i know of
[19:52] <m4v> _CrashMaster_: install hardy
[19:52] <jussi01> !kde3 | _CrashMaster_
[19:53] <_CrashMaster_> *sigh* Suppose I'll have to
[19:58] <punz> So is there a way to use the default kde window manager (not compositing kwin) within compiz? or do I have to install emerald and use an oxygen theme for ti?
[19:58] <punz> kde4*
[20:03] <TerminalVelocity> anybody attempted to install the recently release 8.10 version of kubunt?
[20:03] <bdizzle> stoned: so how do i gain permission then?
[20:03] <bdizzle> not yet TerminalVelocity, i'm waiting for the bugs to be worked ouy
[20:04] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: yeah, i should have waited
[20:04] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: i just opened a bug : Bug 291691
[20:04] <bdizzle> ouch, what was it?
[20:05] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: which causes my monitor to flash when i use either the keyboard or mouse...just moving the mouse causes my screen to go blank and then reapear sec later
[20:06] <TerminalVelocity> bdizzle: i'll likely be reverting back to 8.04 until i see better stability from 8.10
[20:06] <bdizzle> yeah
[20:08] <dan_> installed kubuntu 8.10 on my pc that has been running 8.4 since it was released, on a different hdd though. after I login, I see the kde splash screen and the image of the hdd comes into view but then it just hangs, I can move the cursor and ssh into the box but cannot login via gui, any suggestions
[20:09] <TerminalVelocity> dan_: if you can hold off moving forward on 8.10, I'd suggest that you revert back to 8.04.  I'm seeing a number of bugs related to 8.10.  I just opened one myself Bug 291691
[20:10] <dan_> so try again in a week or so?
[20:10] <Simulacra7> TerminalVelocity: how to revert back to previous version?
[20:10] <TerminalVelocity> dan_: I'd say give it a couple of weeks.  My issue: I'm able to login just fine, however, when i use either the keyboard or mouse...just moving the mouse causes my screen to go blank and then reapear sec later
[20:11] <TerminalVelocity> Simulacra7: I'
[20:11] <dan_> TerminalVelocity: well thankfully I installed to a complete different hdd so just need to swap the IDE cable over
[20:12] <dennister> hey channel, looking for news on how the servers and mirrors are faring with the release of intrepid?
[20:12] <TerminalVelocity> Simulacra7: sorry about that, fat fingers :-). I'm just going to do a fresh install using the 8.04 iso image.  I've backed everything up prior to trying to migrate to 8.10
[20:12] <TerminalVelocity> dan_: nice!!
[20:13] <dennister> has anyone in here actually done the fresh install or version upgrade process yet?
[20:13] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: you mean from 8.04 to 8.10?
[20:13] <dennister> TerminalVelocity: yep
[20:13] <Simulacra7> <---did a version upgrade and didn't have much luck with it
[20:14] <Simulacra7> hangs on login
[20:14] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: I've tried both, and attempting a version upgrade caused some issues.
[20:14] <dennister> ok, bad version upgrade again...just like from gutysy to hardy
[20:16] <dennister> what about the mirrors? i just tried to do a mini.iso install last night...with 8.04.1, not intrepid, and all sorts of mirrors were failing
[20:18] <dragonrider8> hello
[20:19]  * Danu is back.
[20:20] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: i'm right in the middle of downloading the 8.04.1 iso image...and, for the moment, all looks good
[20:21] <dragonrider8> i have a problem, i have just install kubuntu 8.10, but when i reboot, the grub menu does not appear and my computer start windows has before
[20:21] <TerminalVelocity> dennister: i'm using the following mirror "United States - Argonne National Laboratory"
[20:23] <dennister> yeah, i've downloaded it, used it many times, but am having lots of problems...don't think it's the cd, think it's the drive...although I've cleaned it again and it worked before
[20:23] <dennister> for the mini.iso disk, which has worked in the past, it's the mirrors that keep flaking out on me
[20:24] <sorush20> I can't check my hdd for errors can some one help.. I keep getting message that can't find the block and i have to use e2fsck -b blocknumber /device
[20:24] <sorush20> but when I do that I keep getting the message that the device is in use]
[20:24] <dennister> tried usa first (only one choice in the us for mini.iso), mexico, and canada
[20:24] <sorush20> mount -l dosen't show it
[20:24] <christian86> Hey need help with ktorrent in intrepid
[20:24] <sorush20> when I try to boot I get into grub shell
[20:25] <sorush20> please help
[20:26] <dennister> sorush20: first, you shouldn't have the partition mounted when you use e2fsck
[20:26] <dragonrider8> for me it's worse, i can't boot on kubuntu ...
[20:26] <dragonrider8> grub or lilo is not working
[20:27] <dennister> sorush20: which partition do you want to check? root?
[20:27] <vito_> salve
[20:30] <sorush20> dennister: yes its not mounted and yes root and my home partition
[20:32] <dennister> sorush20: ok, i forget exactly what the -b option is for, bu from my reading the other day, it's a good idea to run "e2fsck -c /dev/sda#" or you may want to check "e2fsck --help" first
[20:33] <dennister> ok -b is for superblock...
[20:34] <Mabo> hi
[20:35] <dennister> lowercase -c option is to look for badblocks, "and to  prevent them from being allocated to a file  or  directory"
[20:35] <christian86> anyone's knows about ktorrent's strange actions and intrepid
[20:36] <dennister> sorush20: that's a direct quote from the e2fsck man page
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> christian86: strange actions?
[20:37] <panos4ever> hello guys!
[20:38] <christian86> yes with torrent dl's
[20:38] <christian86> when i start torrent and rename file it says "no file or directory"
[20:38] <sorush20> sudo e2fsck -cb 8193 /dev/sda e2fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
[20:39] <sorush20> this what I get
[20:39] <christian86> now i can just start silent download and when i wanna move file and "import torrent" same error
[20:40] <sorush20> any ideas guys?
[20:40] <panos4ever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPfaYtLLZ4o
[20:40] <christian86> then i deleted file and startet silent dl again now on every start, it tells me error of multiple tracker and dl's, so it merges them and then ktorrent dl's, but i get this error now on every start so very nervious
[20:42] <panos4ever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1haYY5pV18
[20:42] <TerminalVelocity> sorush20: there is a utility called "fuser" -- i found on linux.com web site article.
[20:42] <TerminalVelocity> sorush20: from the article " Have you ever tried to unmount your USB thumb drive only to get the message "device is busy"? Like me, you probably thought, "I know I closed that file manager window. What's keeping it busy now?"
[20:43] <TerminalVelocity> sorush20: link to article http://www.linux.com/feature/121049
[20:47] <christian86> JontheEchidna: when i start torrent and rename file it says "no file or directory", now i can just start silent download and when i wanna move file and "import torrent" same error;then i deleted file and startet silent dl again now on every start, it tells me error of multiple tracker and dl's, so it merges them and then ktorrent dl's, but i get this error now on every start so very nervious
[20:50] <Seattle_Mike> trying to install gnome with apt-get install ubuntu desktop.  It fails and breaks apt-get with gconf2 g_dgettext error
[20:51] <Seattle_Mike> Does any know how to fix or just I just reinstall Kubuntu?
[20:52] <Seattle_Mike> adept fails and so does dpkg --force fails.
[20:55] <martino2k8> hello, i'm having a weird locale issue after upgrading from 8.04 x64 to 8.10, which is that most of the stuff is in japanese, some in english, and much less in slovak (all lingos that i had installed keyboard support for, altho i used en for system locale before)
[20:57] <sorush20> TerminalVelocity: thats for being in a helpful mood .. I'm having problems applying that artical to my problem.
[20:57] <martino2k8> i just checked my etc/environment and that seems to be set to en_GB, if it is related to my issue in any way
[20:57] <sorush20> the device I have is not mounted at all
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> bye
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> quit
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> #quuit
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> #quit
[21:01] <Seattle_Mike> #bye
[21:03] <christian86> anyones into ktorrent and intrepid? it actsa bit crazy :(
[21:03] <vinizius> is anyone having problems with nvidia and jockey?
[21:06] <PovAddict> damn... kmail just crashed
[21:07] <PovAddict> I thought about installing kdepim-dbg so if it crashes again, I get a useful stack trace
[21:07] <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d44b410c0
[21:07] <kai__> tag
[21:18] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to get video previews in the thumbnails of dolphin in intrepid?
[21:19] <amews_aj> I just installed KDE desktop on ubuntu, but now the compiz settings does not have effect anymore. Fx Expo (super+e) doesn't do anything. What to do ?
[21:20] <christian86> anyone knows how to (re)name downloads in ktorrent without "no such file or directory" warning
[21:20] <enzo_> How do we upgrade to 8.10?
[21:20] <kai__> tag
[21:20] <enzo_> I was trying adept manager to no avail
[21:21] <PovAddict> enzo_: that's disabled by default
[21:21] <PovAddict> enzo_: because if you upgrade to 8.10, you instantly lose KDE3
[21:21] <enzo_> Oh
[21:21] <enzo_> PovAddict: How do I upgrade?
[21:22] <amews_aj> Do I have to do something to activate compiz advanced effects?
[21:22] <PovAddict> amews_aj: KDE4 has its own composite desktop manager
[21:22] <PovAddict> I don't know if compiz works with KDE4 at all (but probably does)
[21:22] <amews_aj> PovAddict: Can't I make it use the compiz manager?
[21:23] <amik> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 (in a VirtualBox) and after restart I only get a console screen... can anyone help?
[21:23] <PovAddict> amik: make sure kubuntu-desktop package is installed
[21:25] <Jabapyth> how do I set the desktop to open things on dbl-click as opposed to single?
[21:25] <amik> PovAddict: "kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version." (apt-get output)
[21:26] <PovAddict> try startx
[21:27] <amik> "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[21:28] <PovAddict> amik: that's about when I would come here to ask if it was happening to me :P
[21:29] <jb_> hello how to have the flash plug in in konqueror in 8.10?
[21:29] <coubeatczech> hello, do anyone know how to restore kde4 defaults using shell? I've enabled visual effects and my screen is just black
[21:29] <jb_> i installed kubuntu-restricted-extra already
[21:29] <jb_> but flash is not working
[21:29] <jb_> and when i installed firefox i got a lot of undesired gnome applicationt
[21:30] <amik> PovAddict: I also compared xorg.conf to that of a brand new installtion (also in VirtualBox, from which I'm writing), and they look identical. Any other ideas?
[21:30] <avihayb> !strigi
[21:30] <amik> or anyone else who can help?
[21:30] <jb_> how to get the flash plugin with konqueror in 8.10?
[21:31] <PovAddict> my Flash works on 8.04
[21:31] <PovAddict> you can have it :P
[21:31]  * PovAddict would uninstall Flash, if it wasn't because my mom uses this computer too
[21:31] <jb_> PovAddict: do you know how to have it working with 8.10?
[21:32] <PovAddict> I've never installed 8.10
[21:32] <PovAddict> and it wasn't easy to get working on 8.04 either, btw
[21:32] <jb_> and why does many non wanted gnome apps are installed when i install firefox?
[21:32] <PovAddict> jb_: no gnome *apps* are installed... although of course when you install Firefox, you get dozens of gnome *libraries*
[21:32] <PovAddict> becauseFirefox uses GTK
[21:33] <opensorce> anyone use the Now Playing widget?
[21:33] <jb_> PovAddict: when i installed firefox; the Add/Remove Apps from Gnome appeaared in my menu!!!!
[21:33] <PovAddict> wtf synaptic?
[21:33] <PovAddict> or is that the KDE one... erm
[21:34] <SlimeyPete> PovAddict: adept is the kde one
[21:34] <jb_> who is running 8.10?
[21:34] <PovAddict> ah yes
[21:34]  * PovAddict always uses aptitude
[21:34]  * opensorce is
[21:34] <SlimeyPete> jb_: I'm running ubuntu 8.10, but still on kubuntu 8.04
[21:35] <enzo_> !upgrade
[21:35] <jb_> how to get flash working with k 8.10?
[21:35] <jb_> or how to get firefox installed without all the gnome undesired applications?
[21:35] <OpenSorce> jb_, apt-get install alsa-oss
[21:36] <OpenSorce> seriously
[21:36] <jb_> alsa-oss is for sound!
[21:36] <OpenSorce> I had no sound in flash till I did that
[21:36] <jb_> the sound is not the pb
[21:36] <jb_> when i go in a youtube style video
[21:36] <PovAddict> OpenSorce: jb_ didn't say anything about sound, so I assume nothing of Flash is working for him
[21:36] <Pliskin> jb_ : there is nohinf
[21:36] <amik> can anyone here provide help? or is everyone just seeking it? :-P
[21:36] <coreymon77> jb_: you wont notice any of the gnome "undersired" stuff
[21:36] <Pliskin> there is nothing to do*
[21:36] <jb_> there is an emtpy square
[21:36] <PovAddict> amik: if you think this is bad take a look at #ubuntu
[21:37] <amik> hehe
[21:37] <jb_> so you recommend using firefox?
[21:37] <Pliskin> oh I know, you can deactivate the installation of the recommended packages ? maybe it is the problem ?
[21:37] <amik> well, I guess Linux is not yet ready for the desktop. Maybe in 9.10...
[21:37] <jb_> also, when i installed qtparted, the program would not launch
[21:37] <amews_aj> Will a theme like this work on kde as well as gnome ? : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme
[21:37] <OpenSorce> amik, it is ready for the desktop, just not ready for people who need to be spoonfed
[21:38] <jb_> this version is however MUCH better than k 8.04
[21:38] <Pliskin> jb_ : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Recommended packages installed by default
[21:38] <PovAddict> amews_aj: it's a GTK theme, so no
[21:39] <PovAddict> unless the Qt-Gtk theme "bridge" is *really* good
[21:39] <amews_aj> PovAddict: What is the problem by that, explain what GTK has specificly to do with gnome ?
[21:39] <OpenSorce> PovAddict, it isn't :-)
[21:39] <amik> spoonfed? editing xorg.conf manually is quite a bit after that. seeing that it doesn't seem to be the problem and trying to troublshoot further is a very long bit after that...
[21:39] <PovAddict> amews_aj: gnome is made using GTK, KDE is made using Qt
[21:39] <amews_aj> oh
[21:39] <amews_aj> PovAddict: Is it just me or is gnome faster than kde (though kde looks nicer I think)
[21:40] <PovAddict> I can't tell...
[21:40] <PovAddict> last time I used gnome it was on a much slower computer :)
[21:40] <OpenSorce> amews_aj, yes it is faster.....kde 1.x is faster than 4.x for the same reasons
[21:40] <exobuzz> i find gtk slower than qt generally
[21:40] <stoned> hi
[21:41] <stoned> I am inside the kubuntu
[21:41] <stoned> how can i install the ati x1900xt drivers?
[21:41] <stoned> I tried to click on hardware device manager thingy, and click enable on the ati thingy, and it just freezes
[21:42] <stoned> hardware driver > ati/amd prop. fglrx driver is not actived.  I click activate and nothing ever happens and 10 mins go by
[21:42] <PovAddict> "activating" it involves downloading it
[21:42] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to get video previews in the thumbnails of dolphin in intrepid?
[21:42] <stoned> right now I have a very small resolution and I want 1680x1050 what my monitor does natively
[21:42] <PovAddict> and the servers are probably still overloaded because of the new release
[21:42] <amews_aj> After installing kde on ubuntu, when using gnome the switch user bar crashes, ideas?
[21:43] <jin> hi, why are there so few window decorations for KDE 4?
[21:43] <jb_> arf
[21:43] <jb_> div x is not well supported yet
[21:43] <jb_> the image is blinking
[21:45] <amik> oh well. good luck to everyone :-)
[21:48] <Holmss> I have problem with firefox tabs in kde4 kubuntu8.10 http://bildites.lv/images/fh4i6bpr34hr4bk8ht80.jpg
[21:49] <ahmedb> Hey guys, can I ask what is pulseaudio .. and what it has to do in intrepid?
[21:50] <SlimeyPete> it's the audio server
[21:50] <SlimeyPete> it deals with changing sample rate, mixing channels etc.
[21:50] <SlimeyPete> it sits between the application and the sound system
[21:51] <ahmedb> is it necessary for sound to run?
[21:52] <SlimeyPete> ahmedb: I'm not entirely sure, but I think so, yes
[21:52] <SlimeyPete> at least, it's necessary for recent KDE applications to use sound
[21:52] <Ch1ppy> Hey, just upgraded to 8.10 and I can't access any of my other tty's - ctrl+alt+FX doesn't work like it did before the upgrade, I just get a blank screen... can anyone help me out?
[21:52] <ahmedb> @Holmss: which theme?
[21:52] <Holmss> default
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> Holmss: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> that will help
[21:53] <ahmedb> second JontheEchidna
[21:53] <ahmedb> I have a weird issue after upgrading to Intrepid
[21:54] <ahmedb> my amarok-kde4 does not play sound - although sound and alsa are active
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> strange, do other kde4 apps play sound?
[21:54] <ahmedb> I checked the system settings - sound .. there used to be an HDA Intel but now it disappeared .. when I click show advanced devices it shows Pulseaudio with an icon with a question mark
[21:54] <mopped> My headset is #1 on cat /proc/asound/devices, and I need it to be #0, so its the default sound output - how do i do this
[21:55] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: yes all applications I believe can play sound
[21:55] <ahmedb> I even here the startup sound :D
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: yeah, the pulseaudio thing doesn't really mean anything, just ignore it
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[21:55] <crimsun> mopped: set the slots parameter.
[21:55] <crimsun> mopped: pastebin the output from `cat /proc/asound/cards', please
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: what version is amarok-kde4 at? (apt-cache policy amarok-kde4)
[21:55] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: I do not have pulseaudio installed (never had it on hardy anyway) .. but where my HDA intel disappeared? :D
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[21:56] <mopped> http://pastie.org/305247 crimsun
[21:56] <ahmedb> Version table: 1.92.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> ok, that's good
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately I don't know how to fix it :(
[21:57] <ahmedb> alsamixer correctly shows HDA Intel
[21:57] <hernan_> Is there any repo for KDE4 SVN in Kubuntu as there is for OpenSUSE?
[21:57] <Holmss> JontheEchidna Thank You a lot
[21:58] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: I'll try reinstalling amarok .. but I am not sure if disappearance of HDA intel from system settings has anything to do with Phonon not finding sound
[21:58] <ahmedb> and this is what I suspect
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Holmss: you're welcome
[21:59] <mopped> How do I specify the slot sparameter crimsun? :P
[22:00] <Pliskin> hernan_ : there is a KDE "nightly builds" repo
[22:00] <hernan_> Pliskin, Which one is it? I've been looking but I didn't find it :)
[22:01] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: how do I reinstall alsa?
[22:01] <alesan> hey it has probably been asked 100000 times, but can I upgrade online to 8.10 or what.
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: uhhh... dunno
[22:01] <Pliskin> it's a repo made by apachelogger I believe (or another kubuntu guy) (thanks to him)
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> alesan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:02] <ahmedb> thanks Jon
[22:02] <alesan> JontheEchidna: yea I have found that in the meanwhile. Thanks
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[22:02] <hernan_> Pliskin, The Project Neon thing?
[22:02] <Pliskin> yes, exactly
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> project neon has been busted for a while, the last build is probably really old
[22:03] <alesan> JontheEchidna: do you think KDE4 is now slightly more configurable than before? In particular, I want windows95-like menus
[22:03] <Pliskin> oh, sorry then :)
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> alesan: you can change to a win95-ish style from right clicking on the menu button
[22:03] <hernan_> Pliskin, JontheEchidna, Alright, thanks people.
[22:03] <alesan> JontheEchidna: ok that is new, KDE4.0 didn't have that
[22:03] <hernan_> Pliskin, JontheEchidna, Rather build it from SVN then.
[22:04] <phx591> hi, I'm running Kubuntu 8.10 with an acer laptop (graca: Geforce 8600M GT) and an external tft. I installed the nvidia driver and set up my external tft within "NVIDIA X Server Settings", press "Apply", but after restarting changes are lost -.- You have any ideas?
[22:04] <totoro7> where can I post my opinions to improve kubuntu's usability?
[22:05] <vlt> Hello. Would you reccommend the kubuntu amd64 version for desktop use? What disadvantages do I have to expect?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: brainstorm.ubuntu.com maybe?
[22:07] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: should do! thanks :-)
[22:07] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to get video previews in the thumbnails of dolphin in intrepid?
[22:07] <isleshocky77> Anyone have any direction for getting the sticky notes plasmoid for kde 4.1?
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> isleshocky77: it should be installed by default in Intrepid
[22:08] <JohnFlux2> Hey all
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> jmichaelx: currently kde4 doesn't have a thumbnailer for video
[22:08] <isleshocky77> JontheEchidna: I'm still running 8.04
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> isleshocky77: using the kde4 ppa?
[22:08] <vlt> How can I find out what packages are only available for 32bit ubuntu?
[22:09] <isleshocky77> JontheEchidna: yes.
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> isleshocky77: sudo apt-get install kdeplasma-addons ; kbuildsycoca4
[22:09] <jmichaelx> JontheEchidna: ok, ty... i had been looking all around for what i was missing
[22:10] <JohnFlux2> i booted off of the kubuntu 8.10 CD and got half way through the install when it told me that there were read errors :(
[22:10]  * jmichaelx wonders whether compiz and apps using openGL will ever learn to get along
[22:11] <JohnFlux2> oh well.  anyway, I'm wondering whether I can manually coax it along somehow
[22:11] <JohnFlux2> If I download the iso again and mount it then try to install from that somehow
[22:11] <SinII> This may have been asked before, but ... I upgraded from hardy running kde4 to intrepid and I'M missing some of my icons (i.e. the K-Menu button). Re-applying the Oxygen theme in System Settings did not help. Any suggestions?
[22:11] <jmichaelx> JohnFlux2: it sounds like your install medium is bad. you may need to burn a new CD, or re-download
[22:12] <isleshocky77> JontheEchidna: Awesome. Thanks.
[22:12] <totoro7> firefox's GUI looks messy on Kubuntu 8.10, did I install it properly? (used "apt-get install firefox")
[22:12] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: i would, but it's just hosed my current ubuntu installation...
[22:12] <amews_aj> When will OOo 3 be on the main servers ?
[22:12] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: since I was installing over the top of my current ubuntu install heh
[22:13] <jmichaelx> JohnFlux2: ahh. was your /home on a separate partition?
[22:13] <DarkSmoke> totoro7: you must install something to see GTK apps as QT apps
[22:13] <DarkSmoke> its called , gk-engines-qt i think :/
[22:13] <DarkSmoke> i forgot
[22:13] <Ch1ppy> Hi, I just upgraded to 8.10 and now none of my configuration changes seem to be saving... if I setup my second panel, for instance, all the applets on it will be gone the next time I log in... can anyone help me out?
[22:13] <jmichaelx> gtk-qt-engine
[22:14] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: no - but I chose no format..
[22:14] <totoro7> all: installing it now...
[22:14] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: anyway there's nothing important in /home :)
[22:14] <totoro7> hmmm... "gtk-qt-engine is already the newest version."
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: try this theme: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> it will help with the messy-looking tabs
[22:15] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: thanks, I'll try that... but is the messy looking, erm, normal?
[22:15] <JohnFlux2> jmichaelx: ah okay, I can chroot into the half-installed system
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: there's a bug with the gtk theming engine
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> several, actually, but the author's not really been active since hardy was released
[22:17] <totoro7> oh, that's kinda bad :(
[22:17] <totoro7> is firefox better supported in other kde centred distros?
[22:18] <DarkSmoke> if there is a bug in the gtk engine , probably it will be fixed soon
[22:18] <totoro7> (btw theme worked reasonably, thanks again)
[22:18] <jmichaelx> hmm, the gtk-qt settings do not even show up in system settings on this machine, although gtk-qt-engine is installed. it does show up in the settings on my desktop, though
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> DarkSmoke: gtk-qt-engine, not gtk itself
[22:18] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> gtk-qt-engine's dev is somewhat missing
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> my pc is turning off
[22:19] <jmichaelx> kidnapped?
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> i think its a problem with the power on button
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> it does it even on windowze
[22:19] <amews_aj> When will ooo 3 be available from the main servers on ubuntu ?
[22:19] <DarkSmoke> is there something in kubuntu to make the poweron button unfunctional?
[22:19] <favro> it might be temp related DarkSmoke
[22:19] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> its not its not
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> cause the turn off dialog shows up before turning off
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> you know, the dialog when you go to Kmenu and then press the logout
[22:20] <totoro7> is there a default "show desktop" shortcut in kubuntu?
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> a dialog shows up with options ( shutdown, logout, suspend) etc etc
[22:20] <m_tadeu> is intrepid(plasma in particular) ready for dual screen?
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> so
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> im working on my pc
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> that dialog shows up
[22:20] <DarkSmoke> and pc turns off
[22:21] <DarkSmoke> so it must be the power button :)
[22:21] <totoro7> DarkSmoke: try looking for anything strange in windows' "event viewer"
[22:21] <totoro7> might have something interesting there
[22:21] <DarkSmoke> window's event viewer
[22:21] <DarkSmoke> where's that?
[22:21] <totoro7> start/run type "eventvwr.msc"
[22:22] <DarkSmoke> on win or on lin?
[22:22] <totoro7> or go to control panel/administrative whatchamacallit/event viewer
[22:22] <totoro7> in Windows
[22:23] <Koordin> hi
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: right now you have to add the shortcut by hand
[22:23] <Koordin> please could someone help me with this ?
[22:23] <Koordin> http://pastebin.com/d2d0d4a8c
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: add the show desktop applet, kquitapp plasma, kate ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> from kate
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> search for plugin=showdesktop or something similar
[22:24] <DarkSmoke> anyway
[22:24] <DarkSmoke> how can i make the power on button unfunctional ?
[22:25] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: ok so far
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> Then add something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/65415/ replacing the # with the number found in the header for the plugin=showdesktop section
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> and yourkeycombohere with something like alt+d
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> then you can start plasma from alt-f2
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> totoro7: http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=6332&pid=7255#pid7255 <- for reference
[22:29] <jin> what is the shortcut key ot show the dashboard?
[22:29] <takoski> anyone can help me?
[22:30] <totoro7> JontheEchidna: hmmm.. my ctrl+alt+d shortcut didn't work, but I'll look into it, thanks
[22:30] <blip-> hi, i downloaded kubuntu 8.10 iso... but when i burned it at 8x on a reliable CDR it failed the verification step.... burned again with another CDR using 24x... also failed the step.   Is anything wrong with the ISO itself ?
[22:30] <DarkSmoke> blip-: use speed x5
[22:30] <DarkSmoke> *x4
[22:31] <blip-> DarkSmoke: i don't have 4x... i'm only seeing 8x and 24x in K3B
[22:31] <takoski> i have a problem when i start radio of screenlets i cant do a call with skype if i turn off the radio call can run
[22:31] <blip-> MD5sum of the iso is :         82c02dc7386dfb6858a9ec09a5059e1e
[22:31] <totoro7> seems rather simple for a developer to include into the distro though, wonder why it hasn't been done... most user friendly desktop environments have a show desktop function bound to a default keyboard shortcut :(
[22:31] <takoski> skype says me "problem reproducing audio"
[22:31] <blip-> there doesn't seem to be an MD5sum on the download link so i can check
[22:31] <takoski> i have a problem when i start radio of screenlets i cant do a call with skype if i turn off the radio call can run
[22:31] <takoski> skype says me "problem reproducing audio"
[22:32] <sorush20> hi is there a file system that dosen't give errors
[22:32] <blip-> DarkSmoke: the CD managed to boot.... i'm doing media check now.  could it be it's actually good and k3b verification is confused ?
[22:32] <Koordin> how can i fix broken packages with -f ?
[22:32] <Koordin> with apt-get if*
[22:32] <Koordin> with apt-get -f*
[22:33] <totoro7> blip-: google your md5
[22:33] <sorush20> keep dosen't really work for my any help?
[22:33] <totoro7> it seems allright, lots of pages indicating the md5 is valid
[22:34] <sorush20> it keeps telling me there is an error i'm backing up to firewire hdd ext3 partition
[22:34] <totoro7> sorush20: what error? what are you trying to do?
[22:36] <sorush20> grub isn't loading my kernels and just drops to shell
[22:36] <sorush20> I'm just about to finish a e2fsck and see if it has been resolved.
[22:37] <totoro7> sorush20: hmmm, I don't think I'll be of much help then
[22:39] <Lars_G> It's still upgrading :(
[22:40] <favro> Lars_G: everyone is upgrading atm - the servers are prob being hammered - be patient is the only recourse
[22:41] <Lars_G> favro: Aye I know. it's I left it upgrading last night, and it hung in one of the "preserve config file?" questions :)
[22:41] <favro> ohh :)
[22:41] <Lars_G> favro: I pulled all the packages it seems. it could've been ready today but it hung there :)
[22:42] <favro> bummer
[22:42] <Lars_G> Ah such is life
[22:42] <totoro7> the upgrade procedure never went smoothly for me either
[22:42] <totoro7> they should really test it better, methinks
[22:42]  * totoro7 shakes fist
[22:42] <favro> or upgrade the servers
[22:42] <deftone> does anyone know of a linux distro that works out of the box with Intel GM965 chipset??
[22:42] <stephan> can anybody here help me with a problem with my Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG and the network manager? it can connect via WPA2 but the link does not get ready
[22:43] <Lars_G> totoro7: I think the testing was adequate.
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> asking you whether or not you want to keep an old conf file isn't really a bug ;-)
[22:43] <Lars_G> totoro7: Linux sees a more heterogeneous use than other systems, and it's always hard to do deep enough QA on it.
[22:43] <blip-> ok i have an update regarding iso Kubuntu 8.10... my MD5Sum is correct,  verification failed at the minimum CD writing speed of 8x... however, the CD still booted and Media Check passed succesfully .... am i good to install or could something still be fishy ?    Thanks
[22:43] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: I never said it was a bug.
[22:43] <blip-> *the MD5Sum of the downloaded iso that is
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Lars_G: I know, but totoro7 launched into a QA complaint-ish type thing from your comment
[22:44] <Lars_G> blip-: if the media check from the cd passed you should be in theory good to go
[22:44] <yousef> should i upgrade to 8.10?
[22:44] <yousef> i have kde3
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> yousef: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration and http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Is_KDE_4.1_for_you%3F will be of use to you
[22:45] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: People who want to complain usually pick any opportunity to start the complaint
[22:45] <yousef> thx
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> I'm not saying that the complaint was invalid either
[22:45] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: I know
[22:45] <Lars_G> JontheEchidna: I am neither. I'm just saying that they can use unrelated opportunities to complain.
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[22:46] <totoro7> being a normally long procedure, I do think they should ask questions like that before the package downloading and other tasks...
[22:46] <blip-> i can't wait to try KD4.  thanks Lars_G :)
[22:48] <ign0ramus> hey all.  anyone know why my sound is working (internet and multimedia apps), but none of the KDE system sounds work... on Hardy and KDE 3.5.10
[22:48] <stephan> anybody here using 8.10 and a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG
[22:48] <stephan> ?
[22:48] <jin> blip-: it's not very stable here :(
[22:49] <yousef> 8.04 on intel 4965
[22:50] <stephan> yousef: that was working for me too... but not under 8.10
[22:51] <yousef> lol, i guess you just conviced me to not upgrade
[22:51] <yousef> thanx stephan
[22:51] <blip-> yousef: may i ask,  do you have N working ?
[22:52] <stephan> yousef: if you don't have to... then don't!
[22:52] <yousef> i dont know, I use g only
[22:52] <blip-> yousef: i've got a 4965 on 8.04 too... and noticed it's unable to connect to wireless 802.11N ... instead it connects on the G standard
[22:52] <yousef> wait letme see if my university uses N
[22:52] <yousef> then ill tell u for sure
[22:52] <blip-> yousef: i see.   thanks.    I haven't come across a single person that uses N on any of the IRc channels, i'm starting to think its a driver issue from Intel.
[22:53] <blip-> yousef: i doubt any university would use N,  they're usually very good at saving money ;)
[22:53] <blip-> (on non research items that is)
[22:54] <comedit> blip doyou have hdaintel
[22:55] <totoro7> hmmm... alt+f2, typing "." doesn't do anything
[22:55] <blip-> question, does Kubuntu 8.10/KDE work better with reiserfs or ext3 ?
[22:55] <yousef> ya I'm pretty sure it's G
[22:55] <yousef> so I've never used N
[22:55] <blip-> comedit: you mean the sound card ?
[22:55] <comedit> yes
[22:55] <blip-> thanks yousef
[22:55] <blip-> comedit: yes i do
[22:56] <totoro7> it seems to imply it will open "alt+f2" program's working dir, but it does nothing in the end, no error, nada
[22:56] <totoro7> should I file a bug?
[22:56] <blip-> totoro7: i've found Launchy to be a superior replacement to the Alt-F2 window
[22:57] <comedit> I have hdaintel and realtek alc something, it does also not work on muy kubuntu 8.04 64 bits
[22:57] <totoro7> blip-: hmmm! I know launchy from Windows! Is it available in the repos?
[22:57] <blip-> no but there is a deb package on the program website
[22:58] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[22:58] <blip-> i use it on windows and linux too
[22:58] <totoro7> blip-: thanks, I'll have a look :-)
[22:58] <blip-> comedit: i use the 32 bit on mine.  have you checked ubuntuforums ?
[22:58] <comedit> somebody here (goood at souncards said i had to compile my own driver based on realttek download
[22:58] <blip-> totoro7: np :)
[22:59] <comedit> however we ran out of time then but it seemed the only way
[22:59] <comedit> yes
[23:00] <blip-> comedit: when i have to compile a driver for a distro... i just give up and change distros... something like and Intel HDA soundcard should work out of the box on every distro...  no excuses
[23:00] <blip-> *like an Intel
[23:00] <comedit> i checked forums a few weeks ago
[23:00] <comedit> there is some info there
[23:00] <comedit> on hda intel
[23:00] <edj> Well, here I am on intrepid and kde4, and I managed to somehow lose the panel, and can't find how to get it back.
[23:00] <totoro7> can the krunner glitch be classified as a bug though? should I do something about it?
[23:01] <ardchoille> kget is quite awesome
[23:01] <comedit> i agree it should work, it worked on my 32 bits but it seems to be abug or something
[23:01] <comedit> however compiling is way out of my legaue
[23:02] <pocruadhlaoich> what is the difference between desktop and server editions?
[23:02] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: the desktop edition contains the KDE desktop and the server contains the normal system plus the LAMP stack with no desktop environment
[23:03] <favro> !intelhda | comedit
[23:03] <ardchoille> most people who run a server as the sole purpose for a machine usually don't use a desktop environment on that machine
[23:03] <favro> lamp is optional in the server install
[23:04] <ardchoille> it is?
[23:04] <pocruadhlaoich> thanks ardchoille, i want to run a file server, but i'm totally new to linux, i was thinking i would need the support of a guii to help me get up and going?
[23:04] <favro> yep - I use the server cd as the base for a minimal install
[23:05] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: there's really no problem in installing a desktop on a server.
[23:05] <ardchoille> favro: Ah, that makes sense
[23:06] <christian86> can't read/write on my usb HD, i used fstab with following stats:
[23:06] <pocruadhlaoich> i was wondering should i install server with a desktop or vice versa or does it really matter?
[23:06] <christian86> # /dev/sdb1
[23:06] <christian86> UUID=0C34EA2234EA0F10  /media/TrekStor ntfs uid=0,gid=46,umask=007,nls=uft8 0 0
[23:06] <comedit> pocru consider downloading www.ebox-platform.com the installer it is a fileserver, domain controller vpn etc all managed with a webinterface
[23:06] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: it doesn't really matter as long as the machine can handle it
[23:06] <pocruadhlaoich> i'll check that out, thanks comedit
[23:06] <favro> !tab | comedit
[23:07] <SkEmO> kkkthxbye!!
[23:07] <pocruadhlaoich> coolio thanks all!
[23:07] <comedit> thanks favro
[23:07] <favro> np :)
[23:07] <Daisuke_Ido> doesn't umask correspond to the default permissions given?  because 007 seems pretty limited if so...  i could have that backwards
[23:08] <ardchoille> pocruadhlaoich: i have a really old machine that the desktop install wont work on, so i used the server install for to install ubuntu on that machine, it works well with old equipment
[23:08] <scribbles> why do all of my multiverse and security repo's fail but all the others work, I can't even install mozilla-firefox when I enabled all the repo's in Adept in 8.10
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[23:09] <pocruadhlaoich> is ubuntu good as a domain server? lots of examples i have seen talk about setting it up the desktop edition as a workgroup server
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> christian86: might want to make that umask 0007 instead of 007
[23:10] <comedit> pocruadhlaoich: ubuntu does it all
[23:10] <totoro7> there, filed the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/291845
[23:10] <master_> How can I disable the kvm kernel extensions?
[23:10] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[23:10] <master_> virtualbox won't work wtih the kvm kernel extensions in.
[23:10] <jin> what package to install to use dragon player to play the most common video files?/
[23:11] <comedit> ebox is also based on ubuntu which again is basedon debian wich is one of the most solid distros 9but less user friendly)
[23:11] <ardchoille> jin: open a term and type; apt-cache search dragonplayer
[23:11] <pocruadhlaoich> thanks a lot comedit :)
[23:11] <edj> Well, here I am on intrepid and kde4, and I managed to somehow lose the panel.  "Add panel" gives me a empty panel at the top of the screen.  How to get a normal, populated panel back?
[23:12] <ardchoille> edj: you can always add widgets to the new panel
[23:13] <edj> ardchoille, Doesn't work - it stays empty.
[23:13] <ardchoille> :(
[23:14] <comedit> master_: I have vamware server installed and virtualbox and ble to ru simultaniously
[23:14] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[23:14] <totoro7> it seems that krunner doesn't like paths relative to the home user dir either
[23:14] <master_> comedit: vmware server didn't seem to work at all on kubuntu for me..
[23:14] <scribbles> anyone else having a portion of hteir sources fail when fetching updates?
[23:14] <totoro7> say, typing "Music" doesn't open ~/Music, but it implies it will
[23:14] <comedit> mmm vmware server 2 ?
[23:14] <comedit> or 1
[23:15] <master_> Where in kubuntu can I specify NOT to load a kernel module?
[23:15] <favro> !resetpanel
[23:15] <favro> dumb bot
[23:15] <ardchoille> favro: Well, the same bot is used in #kubuntu and #ubuntu. we need our own bot
[23:15] <comedit> when installing vmware server 1 there is a small thing yu need to do after installation
[23:16] <comedit> master_: let me check
[23:16] <jin> what package to install to use dragon player to play the most common video files?/
[23:17] <scribbles> why is "mozilla-firefox" not available from apt-get when all repo's are set as available?
[23:18] <favro> scribbles: try installing firefox instead of mozilla-firefox
[23:18] <Exilant> is there somewhere a guide to this weird new adept?
[23:18] <poultry_> So, now that I've got this shiny new 8.10 with KDE4, every time I enable any of the x.org nvidia drivers my machine reboots and proceeds to tell me I have no screens found.  Any ideas on a fix or should I just be waiting for an update?
[23:18] <Exilant> or should i just foorget adept
[23:19] <comedit> master_: this tutorial is for vmware server 1.0 something http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-studio-8.04-p7
[23:19] <scribbles> favro: it showed up now, "firefox" didn't work before, are the servers so swamped some aren't responding?
[23:19] <totoro7> hmmm.... my xchat window is not redrawing at times...
[23:20] <favro> scribbles: probably yes
[23:20] <H|V_3ala2> hi ppl
[23:20] <comedit> master_: but i would recommend installing server 2
[23:21] <comedit> which on my machines (64 and 32 bits) worked out of the box
[23:22] <acemo> When booting kubuntu 8.10 live cd it hangs at checking batterystate (on a desktop computer w.o battery) what can i do to bypass this?
[23:23] <jin> !video
[23:23] <favro> acemo: did the cd pass the md5 check?
[23:23] <H|V_3ala2>  I can sa,,,,
[23:23] <H|V_3ala2> use the alternative cd
[23:24] <H|V_3ala2> the text based installation
[23:24] <H|V_3ala2> I failed also to run it
[23:25] <H|V_3ala2> but my hope is the alternative
[23:25] <sorush20> hi
[23:25] <sorush20> I need to know
[23:25] <sorush20> how to make an incermental backup
[23:25] <sorush20> its not working
[23:25] <favro> folks you need to do the cd check from the menu when you boot it
[23:25] <sorush20> I keep getting this error Fatal Error: Destination directory /media/Linux home exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory. Running rdiff-backup like this could mess up what is currently in it. If you want to update or overwrite it, run rdiff-backup with the --force option.
[23:26] <favro> !backup | sorush20
[23:27] <acemo> favro: yeah it did..
[23:29] <zerothis> my cursor is trapped on my second monitor. previously it resisted going back to the 1st.
[23:29] <H|V_3ala2> use the alternative cd
[23:29] <master_> comedit: thanks.. the one thing I prefer about vmware server is the networking.. I cannot even ping to a virtualbox vm.
[23:29] <favro> !who | H|V_3ala2
[23:29] <master_> of course.. vmware server also supports only 1 snapshot at a time
[23:30] <H|V_3ala2> acemo: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate
[23:30]  * Danu is back.
[23:30] <favro> acemo: you might need to add a boot parameter - F6 at the menu - acpi=force would be one I'd try
[23:31] <acemo> favro: ill try that, thanks.
[23:31] <favro> acemo: tho I don't know why you'd need it on a desktop
[23:31] <acemo> favro: iduno.. it didn't try it with 8.04
[23:32] <favro> zerothis: how did you set up the dual monitors?
[23:33] <favro> acemo: that's what made me think it was a cd error
[23:33] <mid5> Hi at all, how can I do to get google tak voice and support calls on kubuntu, I see that kopete does not work with it, and I tried with wine, but it's not work too, anyone knows how can I do it???
[23:34] <acemo> favro: yeah.. i thought the same.. but then i did the check in boot menu(which said its fine).. and burned a new cd and still same so.. dun think its cd error
[23:35] <mid5> if I can do it, maybe my boss told me that I change to win2 :s, it's not nice
[23:35] <mid5> can = can not
[23:36] <favro> acemo: k try the boot parameters - I think F1 will show some options
[23:36] <zerothis> favro:the 2nd monitor is on a USB2VGA thingy. Couldn't get it recognized in GUI so I edited my xorg.conf. its still not seen in GUI but works except for holding on real tight to my cursor.
[23:36] <totoro7> where's amarok user settings file stored?
[23:37] <favro> zerothis: there is an app called xinerama to get dual monitors working
[23:37] <favro> !xinerama
[23:37] <totoro7> I want to specify a hidden dir as my collection directory, but I don't seem able to do that via the graphical interface
[23:37] <zerothis> favro: will a pastebin of my xorg.conf be help?
[23:37] <totoro7> but I can't find amarok's settings file anywhere
[23:38] <favro> zerothis: prob not - I would recommend using xinerama
[23:38] <totoro7> ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok doesn't seem to have anything interesting
[23:38] <favro> totoro7: there is #amarok if no-one here knows
[23:39] <totoro7> favro: oh, I think I'll have a lurk there then, thanks ;-)
[23:39] <favro> np
[23:40] <zerothis> I was under the impression that xrandr and xinerama don't play nice together. I also installed them both on a 2 monitor machine and ended up with 3 screens (one was stuck ontop of the first and was another "2nd" monitor)
[23:41] <favro> zerothis: what's the vid card?
[23:41] <zerothis> favro: but my immediate problem is getting my cursor back to monitor one where a fsck operation is pending. if xinerama will help then I'll do it. do you think it will help?
[23:42] <dorkface> Hi all.  I've tried to do apt-get dist-upgrade, but there is still a package being held back.  Is there a command to use to figure out why it is being held back?
[23:42] <favro> zerothis: it is the recommended way so it "should"
[23:44] <zerothis> the primary vid card is an intell something (lspci in a moment), I'm trapped on 2nd monitor on a USB2VGA SiS thingy
[23:44] <ek> Anyone know why Konsole has no transparent/transluecent options in 4.1?
[23:44] <favro> !dualhead | zerothis (this might help too)
[23:45] <favro> dorkface: it might be dependency issue if you have non ubuntu apps installed
[23:48] <zerothis> favro: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corparation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03)
[23:48] <zerothis> !dualhead | zerothis (this might help too)
[23:48] <ek> Hrm. Also can't get KNetworkManager to assign a static IP.
[23:49] <favro> zerothis: that should be fine - follow the xinerama link to set it up -  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[23:49] <rgreening> ek: the release note indicate it doesnt work
[23:50] <zerothis> no good, my firefox is trapped on monitor one, can't see the link. but let me see if I can kill it and get it to run over here
[23:50] <rgreening> ek: assuming you are talking about Intrepid
[23:50] <ek> rgreening: Yeah. I didn't work before. Was hoping it was fixed though. :) No big deal.
[23:50] <favro> ek: you can use   kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces   to set that up
[23:50] <rgreening> :)
[23:50] <ek> rgreening: Yes. Hardy Heron didn't work also though.
[23:50] <ek> ... for me anyhow.
[23:50] <ek> favro: Yup. Already there. Thanks.
[23:50] <favro> :)
[23:51] <rgreening> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release <- release notes btw...
[23:51] <ek> favro: Any idea about the no transparency issue in Konsole by chance?
[23:51] <ek> rgreening: Ah. Excellent. I was actually looking for those.
[23:51] <rgreening> Bug 280762
[23:51] <favro> ek: I use Eterm out of habit - never bothered with konsole
[23:51] <ek> Fair enough.
[23:52] <rgreening> brb.. rebooting into fresh install
[23:52] <favro> luck
[23:52] <rgreening> ;)
[23:55] <zirikili> how do I enable compiz on intrepid?
[23:55] <totoro7> is the "Run script manager..." in amarok's Lyrics tab working for everyone?
[23:56] <totoro7> (kubuntu 8.10 x64 btw)
[23:56] <favro> zirikili: 8.10 has its' own compositor
[23:56] <favro> !compiz
[23:58] <zerothis> correct me if I'm wrong, but making use of a new xorg.conf requires losing the current running session?
[23:58] <favro> zerothis: yep - sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:59] <zerothis> well, that makes xinerama inapplicable to my current delema. (fsck operation pending on monitor 1)


[02:43] <DNS> heya... are there network issues or something? i get with nearly every recipe a chroot error
[02:44] <wgrant> What is the error?
[02:44] <DNS> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118069544/buildlog.txt.gz
[02:45] <DNS> "Chroot problem" is the error
[02:46] <wgrant> Do you have a link to the build?
[02:46] <wgrant> Ah
[02:46] <wgrant> I see the problem.
[02:46] <DNS> look at my recipes nearly any recipe which tried to build lately had that issue
[02:46] <DNS> ah k:D
[02:47] <wgrant> That should be fixed if you retry.
[02:48] <DNS> ok thx, i will try asap
[02:49] <wgrant> Thanks for letting us know.
[02:49] <DNS> wgrant: thanx for fixing it ;)
[07:16] <mmrazik> Hi
[07:17] <mmrazik> I'm trying to login to staging.launchpad.net but the 2nd factor auth doesn't let me in
[07:17] <mmrazik> is there some special setup needed for staging wrt 2FA?
[07:18] <wgrant> mmrazik: ISD manages SSO, and yeah, there are some unresolved issues with staging+2FA. Ask in #isd on irc.c.c and someone should be able to sort you out.
[07:18] <mmrazik> wgrant: thanks
[07:18] <wgrant> They're working on a proper solution, but for now an admin needs to manually fix your account.
[11:01] <Mkaysi> Does launchpad have 2 factor authentication?
[11:01] <Mkaysi> IT was mentioned four hours ago
[11:03] <wgrant> Mkaysi: It's not generally available yet. It's currently being deployed throughout Canonical, but should be opened up once we've sorted out all the issues.
[11:05] <Mkaysi> Ok :)
[14:30] <qengho> Howdy.  I tried to create a packaging recipe on launchpad, but bzr threw a MemoryError.
[14:31] <qengho> There's a bug that claims that newer bzr might avoid this problem by not caching HTTP.
[14:31] <qengho> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/947977
[14:32] <qengho> I don't know that my source branch would fit in the constraints without it, but I would really like to be able to make a daily package from a recipe.
[14:32] <qengho> Help?
[14:33] <czajkowski> jcsackett: can you help I'm on a hangout
[14:45] <doko> looking at bug #1058056
[14:46] <doko> this shows up as wontfix in the overview list, however it is confirmed. why?
[14:49] <jcsackett> qengho: hi, what branch?
[14:50] <qengho> jcsackett: base branch is lp:~vcs-imports/chromium-browser/trunk .
[14:51] <qengho> Recipe is https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/+recipe/chromium-browser-daily-quantal
[15:06] <jcsackett> qengho: did you try testing your recipe locally?
[15:10] <qengho> jcsackett: No. I'll work out the rest of the packaging soon; there are translations and such to nest in too.  I'm not past my first test that lp will even get the base source yet.
[15:12] <jcsackett> qengho: fair; i would suggest trying what you've got locally though--if it passes without a memory issue, than it's likely constraints in our builders. i'm no expert, but i'll pass this along to some people with more experience in the builders.
[15:17] <qengho> jcsackett: I can branch it locally without a memory error, if that's what you mean.
[15:18] <czajkowski> sinzui: nice blog post
[15:20] <sinzui> czajkowski, thank you.
[15:20] <czajkowski> love the colour cordination of purple :p
[15:21] <sinzui> I was wearing a purple shirt and asking myself what would be good nail colours to go with it.
[15:22] <sinzui> I kept the colours after deciding I like the dark purple best
[15:22] <czajkowski> orange or black but thats a bit early for holloween
[15:22] <sinzui> I like orange as a link colour.
[15:23] <czajkowski> I do too
[15:23] <czajkowski> I love it
[15:27] <dobey> jcsackett: it's because i think it's pulling the entire history; dailydeb should probably be fixed to use lightweight checkouts, as there's no need to copy the entire history to build a package
[15:27] <qengho> jcsackett: "Branched 119969 revisions." in 11 minutes wall time.
[15:30] <qengho> dobey: i think you're on the right track for a solution.  Maybe even an export would do, since it's not likely we need any history at all.
[15:36] <dobey> right
[15:36] <dobey> export might be better as it doesn't maintain the link to the parent branch, i don't think. so it would avoid possibility of something getting screwed up and committed back to the branch by mistake
[16:14] <lamont> the snipets of server= are all cat /etc/nova/dnsmasq.cnf
[16:14] <lamont> bah
[19:05] <qengho> jcsackett: any news of bzr MemoryError and  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/947977 ?  I was AFK for a while
[19:06] <qengho> We wondered if "bzr export" would be better on lp recipes than a full checkout.
[19:09] <czajkowski> qengho: any updates will apear on the bug before irc
[19:10] <czajkowski> qengho: it has been triaged and the developers have a number of bugs to work on so it will be when they can get to it
[19:10] <czajkowski> qengho: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/burning-down-critical-bugs
[19:12] <qengho> czajkowski: ah, I thought jcs and I were still dialoging about it.  It's not urgent, but I wasn't here to see any question or comment.
[19:13] <czajkowski> qengho: nods, Q&A tends to hppen on bugs as not everyone can be on irc
[23:04] <mgriffin> Hi, i am trying to learn how to search on LP better and want to get to https://bugs.launchpad.net/maria/+bug/1002564 when searching for 47704 but I always end up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot/+bug/47704 when searching from https://bugs.launchpad.net/maria
[23:05] <mgriffin> can i do this without just using google site search?
[23:06] <wgrant> mgriffin: Searching for "bug 47704" gives you the result you want
[23:06] <wgrant> There's a Launchpad bug about introducing a way to search for just a number without redirecting to that bug
[23:07] <wgrant> But it's not possible atm; you have to use some other word
[23:07] <mgriffin> bummer
[23:07] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maria?field.searchtext=bug+47704 is probably the best way to do it
[23:08] <wgrant> Bug #5943
[23:08] <mgriffin> awesome, thanks!


[16:23] <giacomo> when i run inxi -A, it shows my sound card, but under driver it just says "N/A"
[23:58] <jebas> hola
[23:59] <kotek> hi