[00:07] <TheFunkbomb> hello
[00:07] <TheFunkbomb> Will my ban on #ubuntu-offtopic be lifted today?
[00:08] <TheFunkbomb> anyone home?
[00:08] <Seeker`> one sec
[00:08] <TheFunkbomb> k
[00:08] <Seeker`> its ikonia's ban, you'll need to speak to him
[00:09] <TheFunkbomb> We're no longer on speaking terms.  He did say if someone wants to lift it, they can
[00:10] <TheFunkbomb> okay then.  bye
[00:37] <Flannel> Oh, ban in -ot
[00:46] <Flannel> sigh, what on earth is Mack's problem?
[00:46] <Flannel> Anyone awake with ops here?  I'd like to invite him
[00:46] <Pici> Flannel: eh? who?
[00:47] <Flannel> Maybe it's nothing.  Just review the past... however long with Mack* in #u
[00:47] <Flannel> I'm not really sure what Mack|Logger is all about.
[00:54] <Seeker`> that is a bit odd
[00:58] <mneptok> and now Mack|Logger
[00:58]  * mneptok twitches
[00:58] <LjL> there's always the good ol' method of "could you please join #ubuntu-ops for a minute"
[00:58] <mneptok> someone give me a reason not to ban him
[00:58] <LjL> which usually works better anyway since invites end up in status windows that people don't see
[00:59] <LjL> mneptok: he hasn't done anything special?
[00:59] <mneptok> he was asked to not change nicks when away, and decided chaning nicks when away would be a good response
[00:59] <Flannel> mneptok: He hasn't changed nicks yet, just... joined with another client.  Which, while odd, isn't changing nicks.
[01:00] <mneptok> ah, roght
[01:00] <mneptok> *right
[01:00] <LjL> you could kick him for cloning if you want a reason.
[01:00] <Flannel> I'd rather just resolve the issue than kick/ban/whatever.
[01:00] <LjL> i'd agree.
[01:01] <Flannel> mneptok: If/when he replies, invite him here for that conversation.  It's not really #ubuntu fodder
[01:01] <LjL> my bet is he wants the channel logged, but doing that with his normal client would result in away nicks
[01:01] <Flannel> LjL: His away nick was set by him personally
[01:01] <Flannel> He'd do /away and then /nick
[01:01] <Flannel> Which was the source of his original "Nuh Uh!" when I asked him to turn off his client's away nick change thing.
[01:03] <LjL> annoying fellow, anyway.
[01:04] <LjL> by the way, i believe Thons was spamming
[01:05] <Flannel> Indeed, I missed it entirely.
[02:31] <jrib> is it okay if I maintain 1000 clones in #ubuntu and answer "yes" with all of them when someone asks "does anyone use X?"?
[02:32] <Pici> Only if they also respond to 'is anyone here?'
[02:36] <Flannel> +1
[02:36] <Flannel> Although, I say make it 47 instead of 1000.
[02:39] <jrib> Flannel: any particular reason for 47 over 46?
[02:40] <Flannel> jrib: 47 is prime.
[02:41] <jrib> at least go with 57 :)
[02:42] <Flannel> 57 isn't prime
[02:42] <jrib> grothendieck prime
[02:42] <Flannel> What on earth?
[02:43] <Flannel> We could go with 59, is that acceptable?
[02:43] <jrib> http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/dispatches/2004/12/grothendieck_pr.html
[02:43] <Flannel> Ah, I thought you had something caught in your throat.
[02:45] <LjL> jrib: floodbots would stop them :(
[02:45] <jrib> well i was just going to pm
[02:48] <Flannel> LjL: not if we program it into the floodbots!
[02:48] <LjL> i like pm
[04:43] <TheFunkbomb> hello
[06:45]  * genii slides bazhang a coffee
[06:45] <bazhang> thanks genii :)  better stick to tea though
[06:46] <genii> bazhang: I'll remember tea next time for you. :)
[06:47] <genii> Well, 1:45 AM-ish, so I'm out for sleep. Gnite
[06:47] <Flannel> Night
[06:47] <bazhang> night
[07:29] <Myrtti> irssi-proxy <3
[07:30] <Myrtti> makes IRC a bit less painful on dialup
[07:41] <elky> Myrtti, dialup? eww
[07:41] <topyli> phoneirc <3
[07:42] <Myrtti> elky: I'm at my mums, she doesn't have zee interwebs
[07:42] <elky> i thought you kids had funky wireless broadband and stuff
[07:43] <Myrtti> elky: sure - but if I'm doing apt-file update at the same time, ssh connection gets a bit less priority and is damn flaky
[07:43] <Myrtti> elky: I'm paying only for the lowest 3G speed
[07:43] <elky> ah
[07:44] <elky> ah, they limit you by speed rather than quota?
[07:45] <Myrtti> elky: http://saunalahti.fi/gsm/mobiililaajakaista.php
[07:46] <elky> i see numbers, but i lack context.
[07:46] <topyli> yeah i have the same deal iirc, 10€/m unlmited but capped at 384kpbs
[07:46] <Myrtti> elky: those are the only relevant numbers
[07:46] <topyli> it's Just Fast Enough(TM)
[07:46] <Myrtti> no monthly quota, no subscription fee, no quota capping
[07:47] <Myrtti> I had 512 when I worked from here a year ago
[07:47] <Myrtti> but now, for occasional SIP call, general mobile webpage surfing...
[07:47] <Myrtti> 384 is enough
[07:47] <topyli> "fast enough" meaning you can do internet radio and sip calls are tolerable
[07:47] <elky> maaaan. i can only dream of that. here i pay $20/mth for 1gb that gets somewhere between 40kbs and if i'm on the harbour bridge, 2mb/s
[07:48] <Myrtti> it's the speed that kills the internets, not the amount of data used ;-)
[07:48] <elky> yeah
[07:48] <Myrtti> if you trickle your data with 40kbs, it doesn't matter how much of it you transfer
[07:48] <elky> if i had deals like that here, i'd probably not bother with wired intarwebs
[07:49] <Myrtti> there's some people that are unsubscribing their wired nets
[07:49] <Myrtti> phone companies are rolling in their copper in the outskirts
[07:49] <elky> Myrtti, are you finding that t61 sometimes makes you play a 3 min song a second time to get the required 'minute' for hearting?
[07:50] <Myrtti> you're either using mobile broadband, or pay €€€€€€€ for copper
[07:50] <Myrtti> elky: there's some issues there that t61 isn't good with
[07:51] <Myrtti> I can't get the Night Owl done no matter what time I listen to it
[07:51] <Myrtti> and by magic did the Evangelist quest, it's a bit buggy
[07:51] <topyli> right now the fastest mobile broadband is around 5Mbps (theoretical maximum). no iptv and such would work
[07:51] <Myrtti> I've got friends that have like 7 accepted invitations, but they show up as 4/5 in the quest
[07:52] <elky> topyli, which doesnt worry me since i dont watch tv
[07:52] <topyli> oh ok :)
[07:53] <Myrtti> that was a weird experience
[07:55] <elky> ?
[07:55] <Myrtti> tried to install a theme to irssi and it went unresponsive for a while
[07:58] <jussi01> elky: could you tell me the most expensive jewellry stores in Sydney?
[07:59] <elky> jussi01, i have no idea.
[07:59] <jussi01> heh
[08:03]  * Myrtti wears the most exquisite necklace made of recycled plastic bags and soda cans
[08:04] <Myrtti> (which is brilliant since I hate yellow gold and can't wear silver)
[08:10] <Myrtti> but yeah - the fact that even the lowest bandwidth of 3G broadband can carry a sip phone call is quite <3
[08:14] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3361773177/
[08:36] <ikonia_> gents did something happen during the night ?
[08:36] <ikonia_> my screen session for ikonia has totally hung ?
[08:36] <ikonia_> (I can't see the logs obviously)
[08:37] <Seeker`> what is the last time you can see?
[08:37] <ikonia_> nothing, can't re-attatch to that screen session
[08:37] <ikonia_> all my others are fine
[08:38] <ikonia_> if there is nothing obvious, thats fine
[08:38] <ikonia_> ooh bad lage too 186 seconds to sync #ubuntu-ops
[08:38] <ikonia_> lage ? lag
[08:38] <Seeker`> nothing in here, apart from TheFunkBomb looking for you
[08:38] <ikonia_> how odd
[08:39] <Seeker`> or rather, thefunkbomb looking to be unbanned
[08:39] <ikonia_> guys I'll kill my old session and re-join
[08:39] <ikonia_> how annoying
[08:41] <ikonia_> oooh
[08:41] <ikonia_> it looks like it's working now, it had just hung
[08:41] <ikonia> ahh yes
[08:42] <ikonia> much better
[08:43] <Seeker`> wb
[08:47] <Myrtti> !latest
[08:49] <Myrtti> oh btw
[08:49] <Myrtti> should the fixdccexploit have a paragraph about quassel?
[08:49] <Myrtti> jussi01: ^
[09:42] <Flannel> someone with -ot is likely going to have to remove gregoryj in not too long.
[09:43] <ikonia> ok
[09:43] <ikonia> watching
[09:43] <ikonia> Flannel: has he been warned ?
[09:43] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[09:44] <ikonia> okey dokey
[09:44] <Flannel> ikonia: well, he was just told to join -offtopic from #u, where he was doing the same thing I imagine he'll be doing in -ot
[09:44] <Flannel> but, no, I don't think he's been warned.
[09:44] <Flannel> He claims genuine interest, we'll see.
[09:45] <ikonia> ok
[09:45] <ikonia> shout if you want
[09:45] <elky> Flannel, you're still not on the -ot list?
[09:45] <Flannel> elky: Nay
[09:45] <elky> suffer!
[09:45] <elky> you do now.
[09:46] <Flannel> Aye
[09:46] <elky> i'm sick of waiting 6 months to get people on that ops list.
[09:46] <Flannel> I won't tell anyone!
[09:46] <Flannel> oh wait, we're logged.
[09:46] <Flannel> quick, help! ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^HH^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HH^H^H^^HH^^HH^^H
[09:47] <Flannel> Oh, it's not working.
[09:47] <elky> and i have sinus headache and i have no patience tonight
[09:53] <ikonia> elky: green anadin - it's the future
[09:54] <elky> ibuprofen?
[09:55] <topyli> @mark IndyGunFreak still has political propaganda in quit message. has been asked to change via memoserv
[09:55] <ikonia> correct
[09:55] <ikonia> topyli: just forward him here if he's not picking up the memo
[09:55] <Flannel> Have you verified he's gotten it via... nevermind
[09:56] <topyli> Flannel: i just sent it now :)
[09:56] <elky> i took a codral night, just waiting for it to kick in... (psudoephedrine hydrochloride, triprolidine hydrochloride, paracetamol) figured it was worth the paracetamol hangover tomorrow.
[09:56] <Flannel> speak of the devil!
[09:57] <elky> which one?
[09:57] <Flannel> which one would you like?
[09:59] <elky> none
[10:01] <Mamarok> paracetamol hangover? that's more likely to to be a pseudoephedrin hangover then...
[10:08] <elky> Mamarok, i'm sensitive to paracetamol. more than 1 a day has me feeling badly hungover the next day. if i take them while i'm nauseas, i throw them up.
[10:08] <Mamarok> wow, that's rare
[10:08] <elky> yep.
[10:09] <elky> hence nobody realised when i was growing up. i didnt realise until a few years ago... then mum chimed in with 'oh, so that's why you always threw up baby panadol...'
[10:10] <elky> i know someone who reacts badly to it too
[10:10] <Flannel> you!
[10:11] <Mamarok> elky: can be a missing liver enzyme
[10:11] <Mamarok> most likely actually
[10:11] <Myrtti> and I am yet to find a painkiller as effective as ketoprofen
[10:11] <Mamarok> Myrtti: yes, but beware your stomach then...
[10:12] <Myrtti> Mamarok: doctors refuse to give me it without stomach protection meds nowadays after I've told them how much I've used it in the past
[10:13] <Mamarok> Myrtti: and they do well, as ketoprofen is not exactly stomach friendly
[10:13] <Myrtti> yeah
[10:14] <Myrtti> that's why I'm searching for a painkiller as good as it is - I could eat ibuprofein like bread and the end result would be the same as eating bread as painkiller
[10:16] <Mamarok> Myrtti: did you try piroxicam?
[10:20] <Myrtti> Mamarok: I'm not sure they have that in Finland
[10:20] <Mamarok> Myrtti: would be astonishing if not, it's very commonly prescribed for rheumatic diseases
[10:21] <Myrtti> seem to be available as gel
[10:22] <Mamarok> not exactly what we are looking for
[10:23] <Myrtti> anyway, it could work, thanks for heads up
[10:23] <Myrtti> I hate eating pills anyway
[10:23]  * Mamarok fears that this channel looks like a pharmaceutical consultation because of her now
[10:23] <Myrtti> hehe
[10:24] <Myrtti> you can imagine what it was like year and a half ago when my back was in worse condition as it is now
[10:24] <Mamarok> Myrtti: yeah, I can, markey's back is a recurrent problem here at home
[10:27] <elky> grr... i hate it when i have no appetite but my stomach acts otherwise.
[10:28] <elky> (sinus headache tends to kill my appetite)
[10:32] <elky> the pseudo paracetamol combination is kicking in though
[10:33] <Myrtti> what the hell is wrong with the people of offtopic these days
[10:34] <jussi01> Mamarok: what channel is he looking for?
[10:35] <Mamarok> the !de message does not list the kubuntu-de channel, it's available since ages
[10:35] <Mamarok> he is in there now
[10:35] <jussi01> !de
[10:35] <jussi01> Mamarok: yes it does...
[10:35] <Mamarok> oh, right, didn't se that one :)
[10:35] <jussi01> hehe
[10:36] <jussi01> took me a second to notice also
[10:50] <IndyGunFreak> is there a list of ops?
[10:50] <Myrtti> which channel?
[10:50] <Myrtti> oh for gods sake
[10:52] <jpds> no, he has nothing to do with it.
[10:52] <elky> !at
[10:52] <elky> Mamarok, care to help with ^^
[10:53] <Mamarok> elky: where?
[10:53] <Mamarok> at is austria I guess, tell him !de
[10:54] <elky> Mamarok, i mean something for the factoid about it being for loco stuff?
[10:55] <Mamarok> right, I think he is looking for an Austrian channel or so, but they speak German and !de will be fine
[10:56] <elky> Mamarok, my point is that the distinction that -at is for loco stuff and -de is for 'everyone who speaks german' is lacking.
[10:57] <Mamarok> elky: sry, just busy in #kubuntu-de, brb
[11:01] <Mamarok> elky: back
[11:02] <Mamarok> how do I set a factoid again?
[11:02]  * Mamarok checks what Austrian loco teams there are...
[11:03] <jussi01> Mamarok: is there one already?
[11:04] <Mamarok> jussi01: yes, #ubuntu-at
[11:04] <Mamarok> which is referred to in !de already
[11:04] <jussi01> Mamarok: !foo is <reply>bar
[11:04] <jussi01> or if the factoid exists:
[11:04] <jussi01> Mamarok:  !no, foo is <reply>bar
[11:05] <Mamarok> what does the bar part do?
[11:05] <jussi01> its what ubottu says when you call foo
[11:05] <jussi01> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:06] <Myrtti> separate issue if mamarok has editor rights on ubottu
[11:06] <jussi01> !jussi01
[11:06] <jussi01> !no, jussi01 is <reply>Chomp!
[11:06] <jussi01> !jussi01
[11:06] <jussi01> see?
[11:06] <jussi01> Myrtti: we sorted that already...
[11:08] <jussi01> !no, jussi01 is <reply>Carefull!!
[11:10] <Mamarok> !at <replay> Das österreichische Team finden sie unter #ubuntu-at, deutschsprachigen Support bekommen sie in #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de. Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.
[11:10] <Mamarok> !at <reply> Das österreichische Team finden sie unter #ubuntu-at, deutschsprachigen Support bekommen sie in #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de. Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.
[11:10] <Mamarok> strange, does my keyboard not work?
[11:10] <Mamarok> !at <reply>Das österreichische Team finden sie unter #ubuntu-at, deutschsprachigen Support bekommen sie in #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de. Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.
[11:11] <Myrtti> Mamarok: !at is <reply> ...
[11:11] <Mamarok> !at is <reply>Das österreichische Team finden sie unter #ubuntu-at, deutschsprachigen Support bekommen sie auch in #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de. Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.
[11:11] <Mamarok> right :)
[11:11] <Mamarok> !at
[11:12] <Flannel> isn't it \join?
[11:12] <Flannel> or am I going crazy
[11:12] <Flannel> I'm going crazy.
[11:13] <elky> s/going//
[11:13] <Mamarok> !ch
[11:13] <Mamarok> another one to set...
[11:13] <elky> please
[11:14] <Flannel> elky: s/  / /
[11:15] <elky> Flannel, i parse spaces in irc like in html.
[11:16] <Mamarok> !ch is <reply>Das Schweizer Team finden sie unter #ubuntu-ch, deutschsprachigen Support bekommen sie aber in #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de. Aus regionalen Gründen ist im Schweizer Channel nur Englisch erlaubt. Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.
[11:20] <Flannel> interesting.  So, if the official switzerland team's channel is english, why is the factoid in german?
[11:20] <Flannel> I'm... entirely just curious, I don't think it's wrong, or whatnot.
[11:20] <Flannel> And, I suppose, half devils advocate.
[11:22] <Mamarok> Flannel: 80% speak german, but we also have 3 other languages. We got aware that if we allow German, the Channel will end up in German and some epople there do not speak or understand it at all
[11:22] <Mamarok> and it's a team channel, not a support one, except maybe for the Swiss keyboard
[11:22] <Flannel> I see.  I wasn't aware of the percentages (my enxt question would've been, why not the factoid in fr or it?)
[11:22] <Mamarok> yes, working on that :)
[11:23] <elky> no harm tacking 'english please' on in -fr and -it
[11:23] <Mamarok> but the French and Italian teams already know about us and send people there for regional stuff
[11:23] <Flannel> gotcha.
[11:23] <Flannel> Makes sense.
[11:23] <Mamarok> the Romansh almost all speak and write German, except maybe for some very old people
[11:24] <Flannel> I've never even heard of it before.
[11:24] <Mamarok> and there are only about 200.000 speaking romash, well, 5 different dialects actually
[11:24] <Mamarok> it's a latin-like language, a bit colse to Italian, but in the same time very different
[11:24] <Mamarok> close*
[11:25] <Mamarok> it's spoken also in northern Italy and Croatia, but very sparse
[11:26] <Mamarok> it's only an official language in Switzerland, but not a mandatory one, e.g. the authorities do not have to translate into it, but only in de, fr and it
[11:26] <Mamarok> Switzerland is veeery special sometimes...
[11:27] <Mamarok> if you want to know about the Swiss, read "Dürrenmatt's letter to Vaclav Havel", very realistic
[11:28] <Mamarok> IMHO
[11:29] <Mamarok> http://www.litart.ch/fd/fdrede.htm, I should translate that...
[11:30] <elky> Mamarok, so you're not actually a -de, but a -ch?
[11:38] <Mamarok> exactly :)
[11:38] <Mamarok> and I have two mothertongues, de and fr
[11:41] <elky> Mamarok, i always thought you were a -de for some reason.
[11:41]  * Mamarok wonders why...
[11:42] <Mamarok> maybe because I know Nightrose who is from de
[11:42] <Myrtti> hello NCommander, did you fix your client?
[11:42] <Mamarok> and am quite often in de too
[11:42] <NCommander> Myrtti, I'm on port 8001
[11:42] <NCommander> Myrtti, still affected.
[11:42]  * NCommander isn't home, hence why its an issue :-/
[11:43] <NCommander> Myrtti, why am I oped in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[11:44] <Myrtti> because you're ubuntu member
[11:44] <elky> Mamarok, i think it's because i know you from #u-w with nightrose, yeah
[11:45] <NCommander> Myrtti, I'm kinda surprised that works like that ...
[11:45] <elky> NCommander, well it's for use in all ubuntu channels really
[11:45] <elky> it just almost never is.
[11:45] <NCommander> elky, ?
[11:46] <elky> NCommander, we assume that most channels will have at least 1 member who can rescue someone from -read-topic if need be
[11:46] <elky> NCommander, however, it's really not worth worrying about the why.
[11:46] <NCommander> elky, rescue? (sorry, I'm somewhat new to read-topic, since its the first time I got banished there :-))
[11:47] <elky> just dont worry about why.
[11:47] <NCommander> elky, np
[11:47] <Myrtti> NCommander: it's assumed that ubuntu members can read the wikipage and assist non-members with less "clue" to get themselves fixed
[11:47] <NCommander> ah
[12:01] <Myrtti> NCommander: anyway, are you using a bouncer or an irssi proxy to connect to freenode?
[12:30] <Myrtti> <3 mirggi
[12:54] <NCommander> Myrtti, crappy ISP
[13:16] <Myrtti> oh dear god
[13:20] <Pici> ...
[13:21] <Pici> I... don't even have any words to respond to that with.
[13:21] <Myrtti> I can only guess what kind of private conversations poor ubottu has
[13:23]  * ikonia unstick's pici
[14:00] <elky> so, as predicted, the awakeness of the pseudo has worn off and i'm quite sleepy. g'nite
[14:00] <Pici> okay, goodnight
[14:08]  * genii follows his nose over to the coffee urn
[14:27] <genii> Work, /away (5-10 mins)
[16:22] <Pici> grah
[16:23]  * genii makes more coffee
[16:45] <Daviey> @login
[18:19] <tsimpson> someone needs to sort the bots out
[18:25] <Pricey> tsimpson: which ones, what's up?
[18:25] <tsimpson> Pricey: the floodbots
[18:26] <Pricey> why are there 4? :/
[18:26] <tsimpson> exactly
[18:27] <Pici> One of nalioth's quit and then two came back
[18:27] <Pricey> lets see if that's better
[18:28] <Pricey> Things look good?
[18:28] <tsimpson> looks like it
[18:30] <nalioth> i'm aware
[18:30] <nalioth> please stand by
[18:30]  * Pici stands by
[18:30] <Pici> beeeeep
[18:31]  * Myrtti point at -offtopic's latest new attendees hostname
[18:31] <nalioth> working with the failsafe (crontab entry)
[18:31]  * nalioth hates crontabs
[18:32] <Myrtti> *mrhgm*
[18:32] <Myrtti> opinions?
[18:32] <Myrtti> down_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:32] <tsimpson> kill
[19:17]  * ikonia could use the money
[19:17] <ikonia> get a number
[19:27] <Pici> o.o
[19:31]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[19:32]  * tsimpson wonders what jussi01 is going to ask ikonia...
[19:32] <Myrtti> tsimpson: !!!
[19:32] <Pici> eek
[19:32] <jussi01> haha
[19:33] <tsimpson> I said nothing, anything you infer is in your mind
[20:06] <Myrtti> @bansearch ubuntumacintosh
[20:51] <Tm_T> hmmmmm, what's best irc channel for quick review of ubuntu logo similarities in case of possible violation?
[21:06] <TheFunkbomb> good day
[21:08] <TheFunkbomb> no one around?
[21:09] <Seeker`> i am around
[21:09] <Tm_T> or not just watching
[21:10] <TheFunkbomb> wondering if I can get my ban lifted today
[21:14] <Seeker`> I'm not familiar enough with the situation
[21:15] <TheFunkbomb> I can explain very quickly.  It was a misunderstanding that went too far.  I apologized for my actions.  That should be the end of it.
[21:16] <Seeker`> like i said, I'm not familiar enough with the situation
[21:16] <TheFunkbomb> well thanks anyway
[21:17] <TheFunkbomb> I'll try back tomorrow
[21:37] <Myrtti> Tm_T: #ubuntu-ianal
[21:37] <Myrtti> J/K
[21:37] <Tm_T> ...
[21:38] <Tm_T> glad I always forget what this "ianal" could mean
[21:38] <Myrtti> *snigger*
[22:02] <LjL> one of the most "uh" internet acronyms innit
[23:26] <Seeker`> @bansearch mathyboy


[15:31] <jrwren> impish UI freeze already?!?
[15:41] <cmaloney> It is September
[15:42] <cmaloney> *it is September*
[15:42] <cmaloney> shudders
[15:47] <jrwren> 10th even!
[16:42] <greg-g> time man
[17:00] <jrwren> ticking


[05:39] <drgutman> hey ppl, I have a problem with Chrome, it won't login on any sites (fb,gmail,yt), they jsut stop loading at some point. I just installed Chrome after using Chromium for a couple of weeks, Chromium works just fine. Any advice please?
[05:44] <drgutman> well ... ain't I a dumbass ... I disabled all installed extensions and now it works. I'm gonna turn them back on one by one.
[06:11] <ricefield> If I right click and choose "Compress" -> "HERE (As ZIP)" does it use the same settings I see when I choose "Compress" -> "Compress Too..."?
[08:15] <Swift110-mobile> Hey
[08:42] <TomTom> Good morning. Any idea when the "switch user" option comes back to our kmenu? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423526  Other distributions are also affected and provide only downgrades as workarounds...
[08:46] <TomTom> Am talking of 20.10. Locally i have plasma-workspace 19.5 installed, the ticket says it has been fixed for 5.20.3. So will this be available for the standard 20.10 distribution?
[08:50] <RikMills> Looks like that will have to wait for 21.04 I'm afraid
[12:50] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:57] <Maik> o/
[13:25] <BluesKaj> o/
[14:36] <user|58449> Hi. I have issues to use bluetooth on my computer.
 @RikMills, are all these problems related to Kubuntu 21.04 ?
 @TomTom, yes, I also don't have switch user option in applications menu, whereas I have switch user option in KDE Neon
[14:43] <user|17972> hello!
[15:07] <TomTom> quite a major flaw for systems in families where more than one user is using the system... in four months this feature of 1990 will return ;)
 @ri5h46h, Not sure about Neon stable, but in Neon Testing, Switch User crashes to the terminal or locks up entirely.  So it seems the switch user option needs a little attention (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428479)
[19:46] <drgutman> so, I'm having a problem with the soundcard and I can't think of anything else to try, could someone please help me write a script to run after each boot to switch the audio controller to another source and back (because that seems the only way to make it work)??
[19:50] <diogenes_> drgutman, how you doing it manually?
[19:52] <drgutman> I'm opening the audio settings gui > advanced > switch the Built In Audio Profile to something else, and switch it back to the "Analog Surround 2.1 Output + Analog Stero Input" \
[19:53] <drgutman> I'm a 20 year plus win user that switched to kubuntu a couple of weeks ago. a friend tried to help me fix it but nothing worked.
[20:00] <lethu> drgutman, you might want to try "pavucontrol"
[20:00] <lethu> drgutman, it's the name of the Pulse Audio Volume Control
[20:01] <diogenes_> GrahamPerrin-M, try in terminal:
[20:01] <lethu> drgutman, fixed some of my issues in the past with audio, where regular system settings didn't work
[20:01] <diogenes_> pactl set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo
[20:01] <diogenes_> then
[20:02] <diogenes_> pactl set-card-profile 0 output:hdmi-surround+input:analog-stereo
[20:02] <diogenes_> or whatever the exact profile name that works for you is.
[20:02] <diogenes_> to find it exact name, run: pacmd list-cards
[20:03] <diogenes_> also you get the card index from there too
[20:03] <diogenes_> and if it works in terminal then we could do a startup script from it.
[20:03] <drgutman> @lethu - i've installed it already, it doesn't help, wether I do it from there or from the default volume control, same result
[20:04] <drgutman> when I boot the proper output is selected, i have to select something else and reselect the first one
[20:04] <diogenes_> that's what i suggested.
[20:04] <diogenes_> or you can simply do: pulseaudio -k
[20:04] <lethu> drgutman, too bad that's all I can think of that could have helped with your issue
[20:05] <diogenes_> after reboot
[20:05] <diogenes_> pulseaudio -k might work right away because it reloads the puleaudio server.
[20:07] <drgutman> @diogenes_ umm, I'm not sure, you told me to do that or to GrahamPerrin-M?
[20:09] <diogenes_> drgutman, sorry it was addressed to you :)
[20:13] <drgutman> :) ohh, thanks, so with pactl i can find the different profiles and then change the card profile from terminal (and thus from a script) I'll have to look up how to write the startup script (i'm sure i'll find a tutorial in no time on google) ... and I just saw that you actually gave me the exact commands that change between the two. thank you :)
[20:14] <drgutman> I'll give it a try on next reboot :)
[20:14] <diogenes_> ok come with a feedback.
[20:40] <shepherd_> hey got a problem with a thermal printer i have installed with cups. everytime I print, dmesg reports it as disconnected, then about 6 seconds later it comes back. Anyone seen or dealt with this before? thanks
[22:24] <Solifugus> can someone recommend a wifi adaptor for an x86 desktop computer?  The first one I bought turned out to have Windows and Mac support only; and second one I bought says it support "Linux" but turned out to be only Fedora.
[22:24] <Solifugus> very aggrivating
[22:25] <Solifugus> cannot get past make on it..
[22:25] <Solifugus> for some strange reason, tne make file wanted lex and bison... but even after that, errors..
[22:26] <Solifugus> make[2]: *** No rule to make target 'arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.c', needed by 'arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.o'.  Stop.
[22:27] <oerheks> did you install build-essential as a start?
[22:27] <oerheks> !info build-essentials
[22:27] <oerheks> !info build-essential
[22:27] <oerheks> unlikely a driver is for fedora only..
[22:29] <Solifugus> Yes... I have build-essentials
[22:29] <Solifugus> instructions are only for Fedora.....
[22:30] <Solifugus> I am sure a binary module would work.. wish they just provided that
[22:31] <Solifugus> I download the driver from here: http://www.pandawireless.com/Drivers%20%7C%20Panda%20Wireless.html
[22:34] <oerheks> rt2870 driver?
[22:37] <Solifugus> maybe... let me see if I can find a reference to that.
[22:37] <Solifugus> I noted a difference in lsmod with it plugged into usb port and without...
[22:37] <Solifugus> < sch_fq_codel           20480  7
[22:37] <Solifugus> ---
[22:37] <Solifugus> > sch_fq_codel           20480  3
[22:39] <Solifugus> The Makefile does have this line in it: cp -f /tftpboot/rt2870ap.o /backup/ifx/build/root_filesystem/lib/modules/2.4.31-Amazon_SE-<IP_ADDRESS>-R0416_Ralink/kernel/drivers/net
[22:39] <Solifugus> So that must be right... maybe need to search for a drive rthat supports that.
[22:39] <Solifugus> but.. wondering what the difference in the lsmod results w/ and w/o the wifi adapter plugged in means
[22:40] <oerheks> no, try the backportwed iwlwifi ppa https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi
[22:41] <oerheks> that dkms builds the driver against your kernel/and new kernel update
[22:41] <Solifugus> ok... I have to go for a bit but will come back to this.... thanks... i now have some thigns to go on
[22:53] <user|99379> Total noob, how do I install rufus on kubuntu 20.1
[22:54] <user|99379> Command-line options?


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[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: caja (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.18.1-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-mate)
[11:03] <LocutusOfBorg> where are new releases announced? Mark's blog or ubuntu-announce? (me is looking for the new AA codename :) )
[11:04] <Laney> Mark's blog is where the name comes out first
[11:04] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, marks blog first ...
[11:04] <Laney> Then everyone goes AAAAAARGH and writes it into the 9999 places where it's hardcoded
[11:04] <Laney> and thinks "we should do this better next time"
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> loooool true sad story
[11:05] <LocutusOfBorg> and next time the code will be hardcoded in even more places
[11:05] <apw> we have about a 30 step checklist just for the kernel when a new name comes
[11:05] <Laney> haha
[11:06] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, now that buildinfo is fixed in lp, I really hope to see the new dpkg out, and pie enabled everywhere for 17.10
[11:06] <Ukikie> But only if pumpkin pie.
[11:06] <LocutusOfBorg> when the toolchain is uploaded.... that would be a nice timing for doing it :)
[11:06]  * apw would settle for a name
[11:07] <Ukikie> He's trying to break the record for longest time without a codename.
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> probably :)
[12:18] <jbicha> Ukikie: at least it's not May yet! http://markshuttleworth.com/archives/1468
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (trusty-proposed/main) [0.80.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 0.80.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core) (sync)
[14:28] <xnox> can cloud-init in xenial-proposed be released?
[14:28] <xnox> it's all green and had 9 days
[14:49] <sil2100> xnox: I can take a look at that
[14:49] <sil2100> Wow, that's a lot of bugs
[14:56] <sil2100> xnox: it's on my plate, will release it once I browse through all the bugs, might take a minute as we have a meeting in 5 minutes
[14:56] <xnox> sil2100, cool. note that i guess you want to release yakkety at the same time as xenial. thus all the bugs need to be checked that they were tested for both releases......
[14:56] <xnox> /o\
[14:57] <sil2100> Yeah, this is why it'll take a bit
[15:13] <sil2100> xnox: hmmm, looking at LP: #1669504 now - seeing smoser's comment I see he tested it twice on xenial instead of once for xenial and once for yakkety
[15:13] <sil2100> Let me get more info on that from him
[15:25] <sil2100> Ok, all clear
[15:25] <sil2100> (regarding this bug of course)
[15:25] <sil2100> Still a few to go
[15:32] <xnox> slangasek, could you please try releasing systemd 232-21ubuntu3 from zesty-proposed into zesty? As per https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html all bugs are green.
[15:33] <xnox> however there are a few autopkgtests flagged up
[15:33] <xnox> snapd -> as far as I know they always fail, imho snapd should be ignored failure, no?
[15:33] <slangasek> they are certainly not supposed to always fail
[15:34] <xnox> but they have been for most of zesty, i thought they are expected to only pass on xenial
[15:34] <slangasek> that is not at all the expectation
[15:34] <xnox> given that core is not doing a zesty / 17 release
[15:34] <slangasek> snapd is a package in the archive, it's how snaps are used on classic Ubuntu, and it is expected to work
[15:35] <slangasek> please don't make excuses for failing autopkgtests - we will override them as necessary, but let's not make ourselves victims of low expectations
[15:35] <xnox> i'm pretty sure it is not a new regression caused by my systemd SRU. http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/snapd/zesty/amd64
[15:35] <xnox> also it looks like latest snapd did pass
[15:35]  * xnox ponders if I should rerun snapd+systemd together as triggers
[15:35] <xnox> snapd/2.24+17.04 was clearly bad.
[15:36] <slangasek> running together would be nice
[15:36] <xnox> there is also dovecot/armhf open-iscsi/amd64 that look crazy
[15:37] <slangasek> open-iscsi > grraaaaahh
[15:37] <slangasek> xnox: can you take care of triggering the snapd reruns with 2.24.1+17.04+new systemd?
[15:37] <nacc> a timeout, hrm ...
[15:37] <xnox> yes
[15:38] <slangasek> I'm retrying open-iscsi
[15:39] <xnox> slangasek, retriggered snapd with systemd&snapd triggers on amd64, i386 and ppc64el. snapd is failing on armhf and s390x (lxc/lxd runner problem? snapd tests should be marked as isolation-machine?)
[15:40] <slangasek> they almost certainly should, yes
[15:41] <xnox> slangasek, looking at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/dovecot/zesty/armhf it appears to be unstable/flaky on armhf. As it flip flops between passing and failing.
[15:41] <slangasek> yes, I've just retriggered that one again
[15:42] <xnox> it tries to create sockets, that should be allowed under lxd.... (to test imap4s protocol)
[15:42] <slangasek> yes, and it does other network tests successfully before that
[15:42] <Laney> They have the appropriate restrictions as far as I know.
[15:42] <slangasek> xnox: and then the systemd test failures are the infra issue mentioned?
[15:43] <xnox> and now let's talk about systemd failing tests.
[15:43] <xnox> amd64 failing only one test - upstream FAIL timed out.
[15:43] <xnox> which fails with
[15:43] <xnox> KVM: entry failed, hardware error 0x0
[15:43] <xnox> EAX=00000000 EBX=00000000 ECX=00000000 EDX=000206a1
[15:44] <xnox> due to nested kvm busted in on of the regions. But there is a confirmation from security team that tests no longer hang and all pass on the linked bug reprot.
[15:44] <xnox> also it passed here https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2719/zesty.html
[15:45] <xnox> ..
[15:45] <xnox> armhf has root-unittests failing (still unfixed, that test failure is not a regression as previously reported by you)
[15:45] <xnox> ..
[15:46] <xnox> armhf & s390x have "boot-smoke" test failing which reboots the "machine", lxc/lxd container in this case, and expects no jobs (i.e. units that neither failed or managed to start, aka "starting") to be running after a time-out
[15:47] <xnox> that fails in the containers, with spurious random things still not fully booted.
[15:56] <sil2100> xnox: ok, as for cloud-init, still awaiting confirmation on some doubts on two of the verified bugs
[15:56] <slangasek> xnox: systemd/armhf has been failing, revved my hint versions
[15:57] <slangasek> xnox: fwiw I would also take mps against lp:~ubuntu-sru/britney/hints-ubuntu-zesty
[15:57] <Laney> Is there any chance someone's going to look at those failures?
[15:59] <xnox> well, i was fixing actually critical bug reports on supported architectures....
[15:59]  * xnox pretends raspbery pi does not exist, and we don't have any products or clouds on armhf
[15:59] <xnox> slangasek, can we drop armhf because it is not 2038 year safe?
[16:00] <slangasek> xnox: we do. armhf is a supported ubuntu-core IoT architecture
[16:00] <xnox> slangasek, correct, but it's not a product with support contracts.
[16:01] <slangasek> that does not mean it's ignorable/droppable
[16:01] <xnox> sil2100, fair enough. thank you for review!
[16:03] <slangasek> infinity, xnox: wrt not badtest'ing systemd for the infra issue, I did exactly that for the version prior to release so that the continuing failures wouldn't hamstring other migrations.  I think that's equally correct here, and the hint should be dropped when the infra is fixed
[16:03] <slangasek> last successful run was Mar 10
[16:03] <infinity> slangasek: Well, it was also actually broken in systemd for the previous version.
[16:03] <infinity> slangasek: This upload fixes that, but not the infra. :P
[16:03] <infinity> slangasek: But I'm not picky.
[16:04] <slangasek> actually broken how? I had it marked in my hint as 'regressed on infrastructure (timeouts)'
[16:04] <Laney> The timeouts were not an infrastructure bug
[16:04] <infinity> One is, one isn't.
[16:04] <xnox> slangasek, test-12 did actually hang and there is ADT fix to resolve the hang of test-12 -> bug in systemd tests, not infra bug
[16:04] <infinity> Because confusing.
[16:04] <Laney> The nested KVM failure we're now seeing is a kernel bug that you can arguably call infrastructure
[16:05] <slangasek> they were a test behavior change not correlated with a code change in systemd
[16:05] <Laney> it's easy to see that one from logs
[16:05] <infinity> slangasek: It was a change in netcat that broke the test.
[16:05] <slangasek> ok
[16:05] <slangasek> netcat-as-infrastructure
[16:05] <xnox> slangasek, infinity: can we force good region for adt tests on amd64?
[16:05] <infinity> Netcat As A Service?
[16:06] <infinity> xnox: I don't think we have the ability to force regions, but ICBW.
[16:06]  * Laney doesn't answer as he wasn't asked
[16:06] <infinity> We can force VM sizes, which might accidentally pick a region, if only one has large? :P
[16:06] <xnox> well Laney did trigger the tests in specific region before.
[16:06] <infinity> Laney: Hey, can you answer the above? ;)
[16:06] <Laney> The answer is no, and no to the m1.large thing
[16:06] <Laney> I ran the tests manually
[16:06] <xnox> i see.
[16:07] <xnox> ....
[16:07] <Laney> It wouldn't be so hard to add a hack to autopkgtest-cloud for this though
[16:07] <Laney> If the region is lgw01 and the package is <nested kvm packages>, don't pick it up
[16:08]  * xnox ponders to run the upstream tests twice, once with qemu and once with nspawn, such that we get results for both. And can exect fail qemu ones, if the nested KVM is borked.
[16:09] <slangasek> Laney: is that a change you want to make, instead of me hinting the failure into oblivion?
[16:09] <Laney> I can probably do that quickly
[16:09] <Laney> Thinking of the nicest way to do it
[16:09] <Laney> Perhaps I extend the blacklist syntax to take a region
[16:10] <slangasek> Laney: ok. if you're going to do that, can I ask you to retry the test for zesty once implemented?  (and maybe you wanted that for a test case anyway)
[16:10] <Laney> sure
[16:10] <slangasek> if you'll do that, then I'll ignore the current failure for letting through the SRU (and not twiddle hints)
[16:11] <xnox> slangasek, about armhf bug report.... i need shell on an armhf machine. I'm told there is something like diamond for armhf, no?
[16:12] <slangasek> xnox: porter-arm64.internal?
[16:12] <slangasek> and the armhf chroots therein
[16:12] <xnox> ... and porter boxes will not give me root, these tests fail under root only
[16:12] <slangasek> you said shell
[16:12] <xnox> slangasek, ^
[16:12] <slangasek> if you need root, talk to dannf
[16:12] <xnox> root shell =)
[16:12] <xnox> dannf, could you please give me *root* shell on armhf?
[16:13] <slangasek> xnox: you mean arm64, with armhf chroot ;)
[16:13] <slangasek> (otherwise you're not reproducing the testbed accurately anyway)
[16:14] <xnox> dannf, that ^
[16:14] <infinity> I'd like to fix that.  I wonder if I can find time.
[16:14] <slangasek> fix what?
[16:14] <infinity> ("that" being the lack of actual armhf VMs in scalingstack/autopkgtest)
[16:14] <infinity> It's not like it isn't doable, it's just a bit of effort.
[16:14] <slangasek> and miss out on all the beautiful sigbus?
[16:15] <infinity> We can make it sigbus too.
[16:15] <infinity> For real armhf kernels, it's a proc twiddle.
[16:16] <slangasek> xnox: any chance you want to help the other systemd SRUs through while you're at it?
[16:22] <xnox> slangasek, i could.
[16:22] <xnox> i did see them....
[16:22]  * xnox needs to update packaging branches too, I guess to not loose it.
[16:26] <dannf> xnox: yeah, i should be able to give you access to a maas for that.
[16:26] <xnox> dannf, and a maas handbook =)
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[17:21] <Laney> slangasek: ok, done, and both open-iscsi and systemd retried and landed on lcy01 this time
[17:22] <Laney> annoyingly I think they landed there by chance and didn't actually exercise the new codepath
[17:22] <Laney> still, hope they work
[17:23] <Laney> guess I should try to do this for systemd-upstream too
[17:24] <infinity> Laney: Time to teach autopkgtest about artful.
[17:24] <Laney> Not now, time to go out.
[17:24] <Laney> I'll do things first thing tomorrow
[17:25] <Laney> I've not done a new release for autopkgtest before. Going to be fun. :)
[17:25] <infinity> Kay.  I'll keep us frozen until that, because no britney = no fun.
[17:25] <infinity> But at least people will have a queue to throw things at.
[17:27]  * Laney gets scared at the lack of documentation for this on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure
[17:27] <infinity> Laney: You'll be fiiiiine.
[17:27] <Laney> I know about the seed-things-and-stuff script
[17:27] <infinity> Laney: I'm also sure that pitti won't mind taking some time to help you out.
[17:27] <Laney> Yeeeeeeeeeeah, what could go wrong?
[17:28] <Laney> It'll be okay, I can trigger test runs as long as the archive exists
[17:29] <infinity> The archive exists as of now.
[17:29] <infinity> It'll even be in a usable state a bit later than now.
[17:29] <Laney> Well job.
[17:29] <Laney> Right, ttyl
[17:29] <Laney> WOAH.
[17:30]  * Laney fixes that messed up commit first
[17:37] <infinity> Laney: Before you go... Remind me of something.
[17:38] <infinity> Laney: For things I upload today, before autopkgtesting is ready, can we tell britney tomorrow to trigger tests for it all?
[17:38] <infinity> Laney: Oh.  Nevermind.  I answered my own question, sort of.  We can just not enable britney for artful until after autopkgtesting is good to go, then all those uploads will be "new" in britney's mind.
[17:40] <Laney> infinity: If there's a block-all source then tests won't get triggered either
[17:40] <infinity> Which there currently is.
[17:41] <infinity> So that works.
[17:41] <Laney> Super sick safe solid sound
[17:41] <Laney> BYE
[19:06] <wxl> so we're officially artful aardvark? say it's not true
[19:06] <cjwatson> aardvark never hurt anyone.
[19:08] <wxl> yes, but artful? now we set ourselves up for trouble if we don't have the most gorgeous release ever XD
[19:09] <Bashing-om> wxl: artful ?? we gonna call it arty ?
[19:09] <wxl> yeah, that too
[19:10] <jbicha> wxl: artful isn't just about art though
[19:10] <wxl> um
[19:10] <wxl> yes you can take liberties with the definition..
[19:12] <jbicha> https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/artful
[19:22] <cjwatson> yeah, it's not so much taking liberties with the definition as, well, just being the definition.
[19:23] <cjwatson> think the artful dodger :)
[20:02] <wxl> question: do the bittorrents and/or zsync options that we publish use the published hash values to check the integrity of the downloaded file?
[20:03] <wxl> i.e. are that somehow susceptible to man in the middle attacks?
[20:04] <mdeslaur> is the publisher stopped, or just saturated from artful opening?
[20:08] <infinity> mdeslaur: The latter.  It's thinking very, very hard.
[20:08] <mdeslaur> thanks infinity
[20:08] <infinity> wxl: torrents and zsync could be MitM, but you're meant to check the results against the signed hashes, just as you would for an http or rsync download.
[20:09] <infinity> wxl: The transport is not going to save you from actually looking at the result.
[20:09] <xnox> slangasek, just dovecot/armhf and systemd/armhf red now
[20:10] <xnox> retried tests are all green (e.g. snapd on the three good arches)
[20:10] <xnox> release?
[20:10] <slangasek> xnox: dovecot just finished retrying and passed; systemd/armhf I had added a hint to but possibly forgotten to push; yeah releasing now
[20:10] <xnox> winning
[20:10] <slangasek> infinity: ^^ do I need to worry about the forward-copy to artful-proposed?
[20:11] <infinity> slangasek: No.
[20:11] <slangasek> ok
[20:11] <infinity> slangasek: I'll do the world in a batch once the archive is done hating me.
[20:11] <slangasek> infinity: so I do need to worry about not deleting it out of zesty-proposed, which is more what I was getting at :)
[20:11] <infinity> slangasek: I'm smart enough to be able to fish things out of updates too.
[20:11] <slangasek> ok
[20:12] <infinity> For some value of both "smart" and "enough".
[20:12] <slangasek> xnox: btw looks like there was also a lost test for freeipa/armhf ... that shows up in update_excuses but not the pending SRU report
[20:33] <tumbleweed> err, where are we getting the name artful from? I don't see a sabdfl blog post?
[20:33] <wxl> the repos, tumbleweed
[20:33] <tumbleweed> so release team is now picking names?
[20:34]  * wxl shrugs
[20:34] <tumbleweed> but yeah, I see we have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful so I guess I can update distro-info-data appropriately
[20:35] <infinity> tumbleweed: Some of us talk to Mark via means other than his blog.
[20:36] <tumbleweed> if there  isn't a big reveal, does that mean we can get names out of him sooner?
[20:36] <infinity> tumbleweed: Can't say. :P
[20:36] <tumbleweed> :P
[20:37] <infinity> tumbleweed: My process for pestering him (and his response to said pestering) changes subtly from release to release.  I make no promises about the future.
[20:37] <tumbleweed> sounds about right
[20:37] <infinity> So far, his response has not been "holy crap you're annoying and, also, fired", so I think I'm winning.
[20:38] <slangasek> infinity: is publishing currently on hold during opening?  imma waiting for an SRU to land
[20:38] <infinity> slangasek: Not on hold, just dog slow.
[20:38] <slangasek> ack
[20:38] <infinity> slangasek: Methinks the LP DB servers need to learn to shove a whole new set of indexes in RAM/bcache.  They should learn soon enough.
[20:43] <tumbleweed> does October 12 sound reasonable as a release date? it's the second thursday
[20:47] <cyphermox> I'm happy to start writing the ReleaseSchedule page if nobody is already doing it.
[20:49] <infinity> tumbleweed: It should be 26 weeks from now, looking at our current cadence.
[20:49] <infinity> (April is meant to be 27 and October 25, but 17.04 was 26 due to Easter, so 26 for 17.10 would put us back on track)
[20:51] <infinity> cyphermox: Feel free to copy/waste and fill in the blanks.  They should almost line up exactly with last cycle.
[20:51] <cyphermox> yup
[20:52] <infinity> tumbleweed: Assuming I can count, I think the 12th is right.
[20:52] <tumbleweed> infinity: right, I think that makes October 12th correct
[20:52] <tumbleweed> infinity: and EOL is then something like 2018-07-12
[20:53] <infinity> EOL is always a bit fudgy anyway, but yeah that sounds close enough.
[20:53] <infinity> "Exactly 9mo" is certainly the date people should be expecting.
[20:53] <infinity> If I give them a free 3 days, that's a bonus. :P
[20:59] <jbicha> tumbleweed: please let's do end of October
[21:00] <tumbleweed> not my call :)
[21:00] <tumbleweed> I'm just trying to predict what we'll do
[21:00] <jbicha> I would like us to align better with https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive
[21:01] <jbicha> GNOME pushed their release schedule forward a week this time just for Ubuntu (even before the Big Announcement)
[21:03] <jbicha> if we pushed Artful back to at least Oct 19, then there's a full week to get 3.26.1 in (if we go GNOME 3.26) before the release
[21:03] <jbicha> otherwise, it takes a few weeks to get the .1 SRUs published
[21:07] <infinity> jbicha: Oct 4 -> Oct 12 should be more than enough time to rev the world? :)
[21:08] <infinity> Well, Oct 4 -> Oct 7 or something.
[21:08] <infinity> Oct 2, if "tarballs due" really means they'll all exist.
[21:09] <infinity> Easter 2018 is Apr 1, so we could perhaps push back by a week across the board.  I do want a 27wk cycle for 18.04, though.
[21:09] <infinity> Which had to still happen in April.
[21:09] <infinity> Because 04.
[21:10] <jbicha> for 3.24.1, it looks like gdm and gnome-session tarballs appeared on Wednesday and gnome-shell/mutter appeared on Tuesday of 3.24.1 release week
[21:11] <jbicha> zesty was released on Thursday so that felt way too risky to be messing with those components that late
[21:12] <infinity> (base)adconrad@nosferatu:~$ date -d 'october 12 27 weeks'
[21:12] <infinity> Thu Apr 19 00:00:00 MDT 2018
[21:12] <infinity> (base)adconrad@nosferatu:~$ date -d 'october 19 27 weeks'
[21:12] <infinity> Thu Apr 26 00:00:00 MDT 2018
[21:12] <infinity> So, if we do a 27wk schedule for 18.04, we release on the 26th.  Which is doable.
[21:13] <infinity> Assuming a 27wk schedule for 17.10
[21:13] <infinity> Then we'd go back to 25/27, ish.
[21:13] <infinity> Except that Easter keeps breaking that every couple of years.
[21:13] <infinity> Stupid 4-day weekend.
[21:14] <jbicha> I would be happier if we never did early October again actually
[21:14] <infinity> The point of 25/27 is that we lose a ton of development time over the year-end break.
[21:14] <infinity> So 25/27 makes up for that, to a degree.
[21:14] <jbicha> right, I remember the 10.10.10 release cycle; I'm skeptical of that theory though
[21:14] <infinity> (base)adconrad@nosferatu:~$ date -d 'Thu Apr 26 00:00:00 MDT 2018 25 weeks'
[21:15] <infinity> Thu Oct 18 00:00:00 MDT 2018
[21:15] <infinity> Keeping that cadence would put us just past mid-October for 18.10.
[21:16] <infinity> And then back to Apr25 for the next 04.  Which will break because Apr 21 easter.
[21:16] <infinity> But that can be another 26 to compensate.
[21:16] <infinity> Whee.
[21:17] <infinity> So, I think what works here is "27wk Oct 19, 2017", "27wk Apr 26, 2018", "25wk Oct 18, 2018", "26wk Apr 18, 2019"
[21:17] <infinity> And I refuse to plan further out than that.
[21:18] <infinity> ^--- Thoughts, emotional responses?
[21:18] <jbicha> and I would be happy with that, thanks! :)
[21:19] <infinity> slangasek: ^-- Can I get a +1 on that?  Note the 19.04 release is 26wk due to Easter being the following weekend, like this year.  Easter 2018 is a more convenient Apr 1.
[21:20] <infinity> cyphermox: Please toss the above scratch notes in the comments for AA/ReleaseSchedule, so we can crib from it when expanding to proper wiki pages.
[21:21] <jbicha> I think the SRU team would be happier with fewer big SRUs immediately after release
[21:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.48.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.48.2-0ubuntu0.1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntugnome)
[21:22] <infinity> jbicha: The SRU team would be happy if no one ever uploaded SRUs.  Our users, however, would not.
[21:22] <infinity> Clearly, we should fire our users.
[21:23] <tsimonq2> infinity: You or someone else should possibly consider updating that topic :P
[21:24] <infinity> I feel like "Artful Release Coordination" is an accurate description of what we do, and the topic need never change again.
[21:24] <tsimonq2> XD
[21:25] <tsimonq2> On another releasey related thing, I've been getting this recently after running sudo apt update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel InRelease (expected devel but got artful)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> (but before, s/artful/zesty/
[21:25] <tsimonq2> )
[21:25] <infinity> Yeahp, that's a known misfeature.
[21:25] <infinity> Using devel in sources.list isn't entirely sane.
[21:26] <infinity> We might need to teach apt to relax that check or something, if people really want to use it.
[21:26] <tsimonq2> infinity: Why isn't it sane? :P
[21:26] <tsimonq2> And what's the issue? I want to file a bug. :P
[21:26] <infinity> Well, I'm unconvinced that the "devel" symlink existing at all is sane.  But I lost the argument.
[21:27] <infinity> That aside, though, it's just slightly not sane because of the tool issues you've noticed.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> How can we fix these tool issues?
[21:28] <infinity> Either by making apt less picky or by making the publisher right a separate Release file for devel (which would also imply devel not being a symlink anymore, but perhaps a hardlink farm)
[21:28] <infinity> It's not something any of us have wasted much energy planning to fix.
[21:28] <infinity> s/right/write/  I can't brain right now.
[21:29] <infinity> It gets trickier for PPAs, since they're not forced to republish like the primary archive is.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> infinity: ack
[21:29] <tsimonq2> Republish?
[21:29] <infinity> So PPAs that haven't been touched for 7 months have "devel" pointing to yakkety.
[21:29] <infinity> Which is super gross.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> EEW
[21:29] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[21:30] <infinity> This all came about when people were faffing on about "rolling" and how that was the New Hotness, and all cool distros "roll".
[21:30] <infinity> The devel symlink was the compromise.
[21:30] <infinity> But I consider it a failed experiment, and maybe we should just revert it.
[21:31] <jbicha> Please reject gjs 1.48.1-0ubuntu1/zesty since it's been superseded by 1.48.2
[21:31] <tsimonq2> infinity: Side note, I think it would be Super Duper Awesome if PPAs could act as their own mini archive. Like, you turn on an option and it enables britney etc. Just putting the idea out there. :P
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Anyways, shiny squirrel.
[21:31] <tsimonq2> infinity: Well I like to keep my sources.list on devel because I like that illusion. :P
[21:32] <tsimonq2> But hey, it's worth the discussion if you want, infinity?
[21:33] <infinity> tsimonq2: PPAs can do that, sort of.  It's functionality external to LP.
[21:33] <infinity> tsimonq2: But it's something we're not currently dedicating resources to improving or making more widespread or self-serve.
[21:35] <infinity> jbicha: That's... Weird.  The delta from 1.48.0 to 1.48.1 was 223K, the delta from 1.48.0 to 1.48.2 is only 22K.  Did they revert a mess of stuff from .1 to .2?
[21:36] <infinity> Or maybe that's just all autotools vomit from .1 being built with a different version than .0 and .2
[21:36] <jbicha> I blame autotools
[21:37] <jbicha> the good news (?) is that many GNOME modules will switch to meson for 3.26 or 3.28 so there won't be all that junk in the diffs any more
[21:37] <infinity> jbicha: Yeah, automake 1.14 versus 1.15, looks like.  Whee.
[21:37] <jbicha> can I talk you into accepting gjs while you're looking at it?
[21:38] <infinity> jbicha: I don't know what meson is, but if it's Yet Another Attempt to Replace Autoconf, I'll be skeptical.
[21:38] <infinity> cmake only took a decade to almost sort of work, ish.
[21:38] <jbicha> http://mesonbuild.com/
[21:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gjs [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.48.1-0ubuntu1]
[21:40] <jbicha> it's written in Python and it's from Jussi Pakkanen
[21:40] <infinity> jbicha: Yeah, looks like it has the same goals as cmake.  And will probably end up with the same mess of out-of-tree modules and horrible gotchas as people realise the default doesn't work for their use case.
[21:40] <infinity> jbicha: But oh well.
[21:41] <infinity> If it works for GNOME, cool for them.
[21:41] <infinity> ("written in python" and "fast" is a bit of a disconnect, though)
[21:41] <tsimonq2> infinity: Would you be okay with me creating the ArtfulAardvark wiki page?
[21:42] <infinity> tsimonq2: Go for it.
[21:42] <infinity> mdeslaur: I see a bunch of security pockets doing publishy things now, you should be in a happier place soon.
[21:46] <infinity> jbicha: Do you want me to test this in a devirt PPA for you before I accept it and it fails? :P
[21:47] <jbicha> infinity: yes please
[21:48] <infinity> jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~adconrad/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[21:48] <tsimonq2> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark
[21:49] <tsimonq2> infinity: Looks like cyphermox already created the ReleaseSchedule page.
[21:53] <slangasek> infinity: +1 on the release schedule question above; awkward that it throws us off the 25/27 right after we agreed to it, but seems like the right thing there
[21:55] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, rules are made to be broken.
[21:56] <infinity> slangasek: Easter will forever be a thorn in our side (or crown?) unless we slip the whole shebang to 05/11
[21:57] <slangasek> not to be confused with heimdal's debian/rules, which makes libroken
[21:58] <infinity> I prefer libiberty.
[21:59] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: Question: Are there plans to align our release schedule with GNOME's a bit more, now that GNOME is going to be the default desktop?
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Or is it already pretty aligned?
[22:00] <jbicha> infinity: gjs built successfully :)
[22:00] <mdeslaur> infinity: ah, yes, thanks!
[22:00] <infinity> jbicha: So it did.  Yay.
[22:01] <infinity> tsimonq2: It's always been more or less aligned, ever since we worked with them to align us all when they were our default desktop.
[22:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gjs [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.48.2-0ubuntu0.1]
[22:02] <infinity> tsimonq2: But we have to shuffle things around here and there for things like long weekends, so it's never perfect.
[22:02] <infinity> tsimonq2: It's not a coincidence that we both release every 6mo in the same month.
[22:05] <infinity> jbicha: "make[1]: Nothing to be done for 'test'."
[22:05] <infinity> jbicha: That might explain it working everywhere.
[22:10] <infinity> jbicha: (As in, there is no testsuite being run)
[22:10] <tsimonq2> infinity: ack :)
[22:11] <infinity> jbicha: So, I expect the same autopkgtest failure on s390x.  Which, at a glance, looks like it might be an endian bug $somewhere.
[22:26] <Ukikie>  /lastlog distro-i
[22:26] <Ukikie> Erm.


[03:22] <Omnifrog> fwiw <IP_ADDRESS> has worked fine for me
[03:23] <Omnifrog> as far as I know EPB fiber only uses AT&T as their exit point for phone trafic
[03:25] <Omnifrog> inside the EPB phone system is all IP


[06:21] <syrinx_> so, is this where I come to beg for forgiveness?
[06:22] <Tm_T> hi syrinx
[06:22] <syrinx_> Tm_T: hello
[06:22] <Tm_T> syrinx_: I'm a bit busy atm so I might not be able to help in quick pace, sorry for that
[06:23] <syrinx_> Tm_T: no problem, I was just wondering if you could lift the ban I asked ikonia for a few months ago.
[06:33] <Tm_T> sorry ^
[06:34] <Tm_T> syrinx_: I think your best bet is to catch ikonia on this
[06:35] <syrinx_> no worries, im working anyway
[06:35] <syrinx_> is it ok to stay here, or go to another channel for that?
[06:35] <Tm_T> unfortunately no idling here
[06:36] <syrinx_> alright, ill try to catch him elsewhere
[06:36] <syrinx_> thank you, Tm_T
[06:36] <Tm_T> np, good luck
[10:42] <bazhang> @login
[10:44] <ikonia> oooh
[10:44] <ikonia> @login
[10:44] <ikonia> I think you'll find I am
[10:45] <ikonia> and yet btlogin works
[10:47] <bazhang> same
[11:00] <Corey> Quite.
[11:01] <Corey> @login
[11:01] <Corey> LIES!
[11:02] <ikonia> Corey: kline ubottu until it plays ball
[11:04] <Myrtti> bazhang: welcome back
[11:04] <bazhang> Myrtti, hi
[11:07] <Tm_T> hai
[16:52] <h00k> I don't have time to deal with monstaRtruck in #ubuntu


[00:00] <ubuntu-studio> application that is - ardour3  muse 2etc etc
[00:00] <XRS1> not sure what your doing that would require a tool chain
[00:02] <XRS1> you can compile ardour3 using gcc
[00:03] <XRS1> 13.10 is currently using 2.8.14
[00:03] <ubuntu-studio>  great.thanks. going to reboot now. i'll let you know how i go   cheers
[00:04] <ubuntu-studio> "songshop" here btw :)
[00:07] <sirriffsalot> songshoå?
[00:07] <sirriffsalot> songshop?
[01:54] <songshop> sirriffsalot,XRS1: all done fellas, thanks for your help earlier. in fact the issue was the drive i was installing on was not sdba.  all is good now ... look very nice so far.  cheers.
[01:54] <songshop> hah, sda of course... jeez my typing !!
[01:54] <XRS1> enjoy
[01:58] <songshop> later..
[02:47]  * sirriffsalot high-fives XRS1
[02:48] <XRS1> heh
[04:19] <caodepalha> ieveryone. i'm having trouble trying to send files (pictures) from my mobile to the laptop via bluetooth. does anyone know anything about this?
[04:25] <holstein> !bluetooth
[04:25] <holstein> caodepalha: i would ask in the main #ubuntu channel
[04:26] <holstein> caodepalha: could be a problem on either unit. i know i just use wifi, since both are on wifi.. i use airdroid on android
[04:26] <holstein> otherwise, you should test the bluetooth on each device independent from this transfer, and make certain both are able to do bt
[04:27] <holstein> that wiki link will help you check and test ubuntu/ubuntustudio
[04:27] <holstein> cheers!
[04:27] <XRS1> having bluetooth doesnt meen it supports file transer
[04:27] <holstein> right.. that too ^^ the phone could just not be capable of file transfer
[04:29] <caodepalha> ok thanks
[04:29] <caodepalha> i've done this before on windows
[13:21] <ubuntu-studio> Hello there everyone)
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Hello ubuntu-studio. Thank you for choosing Ubuntu Studio:)
[13:22] <cfhowlett> ubuntu-studio, greetings
[13:23] <ubuntu-studio> Actually this thing forced me with this name )
[13:23] <ubuntu-studio> I chose another one but still it logs me with generic one.
[13:24] <ubuntu-studio> The default name for live session user I presume.
[13:24] <ubuntu-studio> Would you mind to answer my noob question?
[13:25] <cfhowlett> !ask
[13:25] <ubuntu-studio> Thanks)
[13:27] <ubuntu-studio> I have the same problem with my old xubuntu. hoped It was solved here but no, there s still the same:
[13:27] <ubuntu-studio> My audio is not working after launching audio studio apps ((
[13:28] <ubuntu-studio> For example, I run browser or player and sound works ok. But running some synth or linux media studio kills my sound completely
[13:29] <cfhowlett> but sound comes back after you shutdown synth?
[13:30] <ubuntu-studio> Untill I reboot there is no sound anywhere. Pulse audio GUI shows full volume, all the default settings are the same, but silence is my friend
[13:33] <ubuntu-studio> I´m new to linux sound systems, so I presume there is some change in default sound route causing sound to be lost somewhere on the way to speakers. So is there any way to check what the default route is?
[13:35] <cfhowlett> I'd guess jack is hijacking your system and not releasing after shutdown
[13:39] <ubuntu-studio> Would I be able to kill jack and restore the default sound route in a simle way? Is the problem known? The reason I ask is the same problem was with my 12.04 and 13.04 Xubuntu. I have Lubuntu on my other laptop but have not tried jack there.
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !jack
[13:40] <ubuntu-studio> !jack: event not found
[13:40] <cfhowlett> jack is only in ubuntu studio by default.  it acts up sometimes.  ask in the channel or on #opensourcemusicians
[13:44] <ubuntu-studio> I´ll try my best, thanks for the info.
[13:45] <ubuntu-studio> O_o
[13:46] <ubuntu-studio> Console says to me there is no ¨jack¨ in the system installed. How could it be in studio distro o_O
[13:47] <cfhowlett> dpkg -l | grep jack will show you what jack packages are installed
[13:52] <ubuntu-studio> thanks
[16:37] <alexseyka1> hi all)
[16:55] <sirriffsalot> Hey guys. If I do a ps -A I see a whole bunch of processes running... Many of them cannot possibly be needed for a production computer. Could someone point me in a direction of how to make proper use of ubuntu studio in a production computer? Stripping away useless applications, processes et cetera?
[19:14] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you could try something specifically tuned for audio production like AVlinux.. look at the live cd and see the processes
[19:15] <holstein> sirriffsalot: ubuntustudio is actually tuned for production needs
[19:16] <holstein> sirriffsalot: what you actually want/need will be based on your actual specific needs.. but, the idea is, you'll be better off or closer to a production environment, that is easier to get to, with ubuntustudio than you would with stock ubuntu, and easier than rolling your own distro, which you are always welcome and encouraged to do
[20:04] <sirriffsalot> holstein: in what universe is samba required for studio-work?
[20:05] <holstein> !samba
[20:05] <sirriffsalot> Exactly.. I don't need that lol
[20:05] <holstein> sirriffsalot: ^ should tell you have to remove samba it you want.. AFAIK, it didnt come by default
[20:05] <sirriffsalot> holstein: I'm afraid it does..
[20:06] <holstein> sirriffsalot: dont be afraid.. check, and remove it if you dont want it
[20:06] <holstein> sirriffsalot: the link i gave should tell you hw
[20:06] <holstein> how*
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> Ubuntu Studio should really have more stripped install-options.. and not one huge chunk
[20:07] <holstein> sirriffsalot: "should" is a matter of option
[20:07] <holstein> !mini
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> More elaborate than what already is anyway
[20:07] <holstein> ^^ you can always start with minimal, and add just what you need/want
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> I know the mini, but so much extra work :P
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> Brb
[20:08] <holstein> sirriffsalot: then, you choose to use the ubuntustudio preconscribed config.. which, you can address your concerns about samba if you want..
[22:03] <sirriffsalot> holstein: shall do :)
[22:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hi there. Would anyone happen to know why Hydrogen Drum Machine robs me of my sound, until I force alsa to reload?
[22:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> the program itself works fine but, nothing else will work.
[22:26] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: i have only used it with JACK
[22:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm still learning. So I haven't dabbled with jack yet.
[22:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> Does it seem fine with jack?
[22:27] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: i wouldnt worry much about it til you get jack going
[22:27] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: well, it seems to go through spurts of development, but i have always been able to use it with JACK
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> ok, I won't worry then. It's not hard to reload alsa, if I just want to play.
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> When I get a grip on jack, I'll probably have less issues
[22:29] <holstein> or more ;)
[22:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[22:29] <holstein> but, you'll have more options
[22:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> The installed version is the current beta. Would it pay to try the last stable version?
[22:29] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: wont hurt
[22:30] <holstein> the beta could be the "best" option though
[22:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> probably
[22:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> meh, no worries then.
[22:30] <holstein> ask in #opensourcemusicians as well.. those folks know more about specifics than do i
[22:30] <holstein> ok.. gotta run
[22:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> on freenode?
[22:30] <holstein> yup
[22:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> thanks :)
[22:30] <holstein> o/
[22:32] <sirriffsalot> Poisoned_Dragon: holy hell.. not dabbled with jack?
[22:33] <sirriffsalot> Poisoned_Dragon: it's the miracle-worker of routing sound, you may as well have it start automatically on boot-up
[22:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol... I'm new to ubuntu studio. So, still getting a handle on what's in it.
[22:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> As a casual linux user, I'm use to dealing with alsa with pulseaudio on top.
[22:50] <holstein> if you dont need JACK, its probably best to just avoid it
[22:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't need it because I haven't gotten that far. :)
[22:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'll get there, eventually.
[22:52] <holstein> well, if you dont need it you dont need it
[22:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I know what it can do. I'll need it, eventually.
[22:53] <holstein> its kind of like learning CAD 3d for something a simple graphics program like the GIMP could do
[22:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[22:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> good metaphor
[22:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'll figure it out, eventually
[22:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> thanks guys.


[08:29] <whitenite7> Allаһ is ԁoⅰᥒɡ
[08:29] <whitenite7> ѕuᥒ is nоt doiᥒɡ Аllah is dоing
[08:29] <whitenite7> mοоn іs ᥒot doіng Aⅼlаһ is ⅾⲟіᥒɡ
[11:47] <hermann_nordung> Aⅼlah is doing
[12:06] <daleharvey22> Aⅼlah іs ԁоing
[12:06] <daleharvey22> sun is not ԁഠiᥒɡ Αlⅼah is dⲟіᥒg
[12:06] <daleharvey22> mഠοn is ᥒot ԁoing Ꭺllah iѕ doiᥒɡ
[14:07] <elyezer> Αⅼlah is dഠіᥒg
[14:14] <acheronuk> s/doing/done
[14:27] <GeraldW18> Aⅼlah is doⅰng
[14:32] <slothtoe1> Alⅼaһ iѕ doinɡ
[14:32] <slothtoe1> ѕuᥒ іs ᥒot doіᥒg Alⅼɑh iѕ ԁoiᥒɡ
[14:36] <ahale-> Ꭺllɑh іѕ dഠinɡ
[14:59] <TariusWork> Allаh ⅰs doinɡ
[14:59] <TariusWork> ѕᥙn ⅰs nοt doіᥒg Ꭺⅼⅼɑh is dоⅰᥒg
[14:59] <TariusWork> ⅿooᥒ is ᥒot dⲟіᥒg Allɑһ ⅰs ԁoіng
[14:59] <TariusWork> stars are not doіᥒg Ꭺlⅼаһ is doing
[17:48] <andoriyu13> Ꭺⅼlаh is ԁοing
[18:18] <McDowell9> Aⅼⅼah iѕ dοing
[19:40] <murthy> can you change the bot's nick name in #ubuntu-unregged to something friendly?
[19:41] <murthy> the drone word is synonymous with "baby killer"
[19:54] <murthy> !ops
[20:03] <murthy> valorie: can you change the bot's nick in #ubuntu-unregged from "Drone" to something people friendly
[20:03] <valorie> oh
[20:04] <valorie> I'm not in there, not an op there, so I doubt it murthy
[20:04] <valorie> however, it's a decent idea
[20:04] <murthy> thanks a lot
[20:04] <murthy> atleast you understand my feeling
[20:08] <murthy> valorie: I just did a whois on the nick and this is what I got "Drone is unit193@ubuntu/bot/drone (Psychotic killer robot)". This is alarming, can you find who did this?
[20:08] <valorie> I will
[20:39] <tonyyarusso> murthy: Quick check - are you saying it means something in another language, or is this in reference to US use of unmanned weapons delivery aircraft?
[20:39] <tonyyarusso> (Both issues, just wondering which one you meant.)
[20:40] <tonyyarusso> Unit193: pingitty ping since you're the bot's overlord :)
[20:40] <murthy> tonyyarusso: the person who changed the nick has even mentioned the meaning of the word himself
[20:41] <murthy> tonyyarusso: I was taking about the general perception of the word
[20:41] <tonyyarusso> I mean, that actually *IS* that particular bot's purpose.  It's solely an anti-spam thing.
[20:42] <tonyyarusso> It's supposed to sit quietly out of sight until there's a problem and then swoop in and kill off the spammers, so the name is fitting, but perhaps a bit crude.
[20:43] <murthy> tonyyarusso: It may be the purpose of that, but Its other purpose is to welcome and address the new/ unregistered people, It should have a people friendly nick
[20:43] <tonyyarusso> It's been a while since I popped into -unregged specifically, so yeah, that would change things a bit.
[20:43] <tonyyarusso> In other channels it doesn't interact with people normally.
[20:45] <murthy> tonyyarusso: This is like militarization of the channel greeting users with a gun and saying Its only to kill bad guys
[20:45] <Unit193> tonyyarusso: Howdy, we talked about it in the other channel.  The bot doesn't really interact with people, just repeats a line in -unregged.  As far as 'drone strikes', not quite so much.  Everyone and their kid seems to have drones in the US now, usually for taking pictures.
[20:46] <murthy> Unit193: then why this description "(Psychotic killer robot" ?
[20:46] <Unit193> That should be changed, sure.  Resident evil reference.
[20:47] <murthy> Unit193: can you please change it to something friendly
[20:49] <Unit193> Not sure about "friendly", but changed it to something a little more on point.
[20:50] <murthy> Unit193: to what?
[20:51] <Unit193> 'Ubuntu antispam bot, contact #ubuntu-ops'
[20:54] <murthy> Unit193: change the nick
[20:54] <Unit193> Demanding now?
[20:54] <murthy> Unit193: ya
[20:54] <murthy> Unit193: its not appropriate
[20:55] <murthy> Unit193: Violence has no place here
[20:55] <Unit193> I think we'd do better if you changed your association of the one with the other, murthy.
[20:57] <murthy> Unit193: ok can you justify for putting "Psychotic killer robot" in description in the first place?
[20:58] <Unit193> Told you, reference to a movie.  One of the other grouped nicks also references it, if you are interested.  (I think that might be leftover from testing it, but no idea anymore.)
[21:01] <murthy> Unit193: have you signed the Ubuntu code of conduct?
[21:08] <valorie> murthy: what's this demanding behavior about?
[21:08] <valorie> you know that Unit193 has signed the CoC
[21:08] <valorie> he's an op
[21:09] <murthy> valorie: I am sorry for my behavior, but he is not behaving like a person who has signed coc
[21:09] <valorie> if you have an issue, perhaps take it up with the IRC Council
[21:09] <valorie> ?
[21:09] <valorie> I disagree
[21:09] <valorie> you are the one making demands
[21:09] <valorie> he's the one who created a bot which helps us
[21:10] <murthy> ok
[21:10] <valorie> the irc council is linked in the /topic
[21:10] <murthy> what would be the appropriate thing for me to do? just ignore?
[21:11] <valorie> take the issue to the Council
[21:53] <confusedjoe32> Allаh iѕ doing
[22:22] <hggdh> murthy: if your questions have been answered, please /part this channel, since we have a no-idling policy in place
[22:51] <hggdh> @login
[22:51] <hggdh> @btlogin
[22:57] <dexterlabs_> Allɑһ iѕ dⲟinɡ
[23:09] <ntnn0> Aⅼlаh іs ԁoⅰnɡ
[23:09] <ntnn0> ѕun iѕ nⲟt doing Αllaһ ⅰs doing
[23:09] <ntnn0> ⅿoⲟn is not dοⅰnɡ Αlⅼaһ is doⅰng
[23:09] <ntnn0> ѕtɑrѕ ɑre ᥒot ⅾഠinɡ Aⅼlah is ԁoing
[23:09] <ntnn0> planets ɑre ᥒоt dഠⅰᥒg Allah іs doing
[23:09] <ntnn0> galaxieѕ arᥱ not doⅰnɡ Ꭺllɑһ іѕ dഠinɡ
[23:09] <ntnn0> oсeаns arе ᥒot dⲟinɡ Ꭺⅼⅼɑһ is ԁoіnɡ
[23:09] <ntnn0> ⅿountаiᥒѕ are nοt ԁοіng Aⅼⅼɑh is ԁοіng
[23:09] <ntnn0> trеes аre ᥒഠt ԁoіng Allaһ is dοⅰnɡ
[23:09] <ntnn0> mom is ᥒⲟt doiᥒɡ Aⅼlɑh iѕ dⲟⅰng
[23:10] <ntnn0> dɑԁ is ᥒot ԁoing Alⅼɑh ⅰs doing
[23:10] <ntnn0> boѕs ⅰs ᥒഠt dⲟinɡ Ꭺllɑһ is doing
[23:10] <ntnn0> jоb iѕ not doіnɡ Αⅼlah is ԁⲟing
[23:10] <ntnn0> doⅼlɑr iѕ ᥒot dоіnɡ Αⅼⅼɑh іѕ ԁоiᥒɡ
[23:10] <ntnn0> ԁegree ⅰѕ not ԁoіᥒg Αlⅼɑһ іs ⅾoiᥒɡ
[23:10] <ntnn0> ⅿediϲine іs nⲟt dоinɡ Aⅼlɑh iѕ doіnɡ
[23:10] <krytarik> !ops | ntnn0
[23:10] <krytarik> Daaamn.. >_>