[00:08] <SiDi> DanRabbit: mightymouse is not sexy, at all
[00:08] <SiDi> (and i actually HATE that mouse :P)
[00:30] <SiDi> i didnt recognise it though
[00:30] <SiDi> hadn't seen one for a while
[10:16] <SiDi> yay
[10:16] <SiDi> i found a new bug in notify-osd :(
[10:17] <SiDi> Can anyone confirm that if you enable transparency while a bubble is displayed, it'll be circled by a plain black color ?
[15:52] <mdc_laptop> mac_v, i've been thinking.. maybe an export option in the menu isn't a good idea after all..
[15:53] <mdc_laptop> mac_v, 'cause at the moment, in the print dialog, you have all these options on how the image/
[15:53] <mdc_laptop> ops..
[15:53] <mdc_laptop> or text should scale etc..
[15:54] <mac_v> mdc_laptop: you forget the main thing...the "export" is *not* print
[15:54] <mdc_laptop> mac_v, correct, but still there's print-like options
[15:55] <mdc_laptop> maybe we should have a new dialog similar to the print dialog but the first tab has file export options and the others are as they're now
[15:56] <mac_v> yupp ,
[15:57] <mdc_laptop> hmm.. it's not a paper cut anyway..
[15:57] <mac_v> something of the sort
[15:57] <mac_v> yeah... that would not be a papercut ;)
[15:57] <mdc_laptop> i did manage to fix the search multiple folders in nautilus :)
[15:58] <mdc_laptop> but only for the simple engine, the tracker and beagle engines i'll let the expert fix
[15:59] <mdc_laptop> mac_v, you don't happen to know a eog developer?
[16:00] <mac_v> nope


[00:12] <yao_ziyuan> firefox 3's default tab look in kubuntu 8.04 is ugly
[00:12] <yao_ziyuan> a theme Phoenity Reborn is recommended
[00:14] <Riddell> well, that's us tol
[00:14] <Riddell> well, that's us told
[00:24] <Riddell> anyone want to do new extragear packages?
[00:50] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[00:50] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[01:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you merging amarok?
[01:37] <Nightrose> Riddell: he said he was - dunno if he finished it
[01:43] <Riddell> Nightrose: what was your issue with kde sound?
[01:43] <Nightrose> Riddell: xine backend was missing in phonon
[01:43] <Nightrose> gstreamer didn't work
[01:44] <Nightrose> but it is fixed now as the xine backend is back thanks to stdin
[01:44] <Riddell> hmm, I was hoping the gstreamer one would work
[01:45] <Nightrose> didn't work for me :/
[01:45] <Nightrose> I installed the "good" codecs and then gave up
[01:46] <Riddell> I've not tried it, juswt would be nice to be able to demote xine to universe as one less thing to care about
[01:46] <Nightrose> yea - if you tell me which packages could be needed I can poke at it tomorrow evening
[01:47] <Riddell> should just be the obvious
[01:47] <Nightrose> heh I think I have those installed then
[01:48] <crimsun_> which media types do you have in your library?
[01:50] <crimsun_> (gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, and gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly covers nearly everything)
[01:50] <Nightrose> crimsun_: me? I had no sound at all - system sounds for example
[01:50] <Nightrose> nothing worked
[01:51] <Nightrose> might just be b0rkage in my system but...
[01:51] <crimsun_> ok, find me or themuso if/when you want to troubleshoot that further.
[01:52] <Nightrose> ok :)
[01:52] <jcastro> Nightrose: fyi tags and projects got implemented in brainstorm
[01:52] <Nightrose> jcastro: cool - will have a look after I got some sleep
[01:52] <jcastro> Nightrose: searching for "amarok" in brainstorm should be trivial for you know
[01:52] <Nightrose> it is 3am here and i need to be up in a few hours
[01:52] <jcastro> Nightrose: yep, I'm off to bed too, night!
[01:53] <Nightrose> nini :)
[01:53]  * Nightrose snoozes
[04:20] <nixternal> hola
[04:23] <yuriy> evening
[04:24] <yuriy> the FSF won't let us hand out K/Ubuntu CD's with them :-\
[04:24] <nixternal> I could have told you that
[04:25] <yuriy> seems so ridiculous. and it's not like ship-it sent us any gobuntu
[04:27] <nixternal> ya, I had the same issue a little over a year ago at a conference with them
[04:27] <nixternal> some of their people were wearing anti-buntu shirts
[04:27] <nixternal> and they tried to say they weren't from the FSF
[04:27] <nixternal> but they hung out with them the entire time
[04:29] <nixternal> I really like how they are "restricting your freedom to hand out FREE CDs"
[04:30] <nixternal> yowsers, the beta2 packages are lookin' dangerous :)
[04:30] <ScottK> Not free enough for you?
[04:31] <nixternal> nothing is ever free enough for me :)
[04:43] <yuriy> nixternal: now that's a beta announcement!
[05:00] <nixternal> hehe
[05:01] <daskreecH> Hi nixternal Jucato Hobbsee et al etc
[05:01] <Hobbsee> heya!
[05:01] <daskreecH> How are you?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> doing OK
[05:01] <Hobbsee> intrepid is a bit strange now
[05:03] <daskreecH> It's intrepid?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> true
[05:04] <Hobbsee> but there's a new kernel and such
[05:04] <daskreecH> Ugh I never update kernels
[05:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: merge finished, I'm testing now
[06:56] <apachelogger> nixternal: is there a specific reason akonadiserver isn't built with internal mysql stuff?
[07:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: merge commited to ~kubuntu-members/amarok/debian, please give it a review a lot of stuff changed
[07:21]  * apachelogger heads off for some meditation
[07:21] <daskreecH> apachelogger: I have the funniest video of that
[07:23] <daskreecH> 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X_M6gCXKBg'
[08:41] <ZeBarbu> Hello world. I would just want to know when the kdepim-kde4 pacakges will be built? I upgraded to kde4-beta2 but can't use kmail no more because of the following missing lib dep:
[08:41] <ZeBarbu> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdepim.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN13KRichTextEdit17mouseReleaseEventEP11QMouseEvent
[08:42] <ZeBarbu> could packagers please build kdepim before less usefull ones (kdetoys was built yesterday, for example)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> on...what?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> gutsy, hardy, intrepid?
[08:44] <ZeBarbu> ho, sorry
[08:44] <ZeBarbu> hardy
[08:44] <ZeBarbu> x86
[08:45] <ZeBarbu> sorry for my aggresiv way of speaking, I'm not ungry or something. It's just a warning: we can't use kmail no more, and that is not really good! ;)
[08:46] <ZeBarbu> so, if someone in the gods team can manage to solve this problem, it may make some peoples happy :)
[08:49] <Hobbsee> is this in backports or ppa?
[08:49] <ZeBarbu> ppa
[08:49]  * Hobbsee hasn't been running hardy
[08:50]  * Hobbsee looks
[08:50] <ZeBarbu> I think all people that followed the kubuntu announce have the same problem...
[08:51] <ZeBarbu> maybe i'm the only fool guy in the world who use kontact-kde4 for daily use :)
[08:51] <Hobbsee> stdin_: any idea on that?
[08:52] <ZeBarbu> in fact, kmail is still to 4.0.80 (beta1) but many other packages are 4.0.83 (beta2)
[08:53] <ZeBarbu> kdepimlibs5 is 4.0.83, but libkdepim4-kde4 is 4.0.80
[08:53] <ZeBarbu> as well as all other pim related stuff, in fact (4.0.80)
[09:04] <ZeBarbu> does anybody else reproduce the problem?
[09:05] <Nightrose> ZeBarbu: yes several people have it
[09:05] <Nightrose> unfortunately you can't do a lot but wait for the package to get build
[09:06] <ZeBarbu> yeap, that's what I though... that's why I asked if the packages build order could re-thinked: some non-vital ones (kdetoys) are built before more important ones (kdepim).
[09:06] <ZeBarbu> It's just a suggestion, I don't know if there are dependencies between them, etc...
[09:07] <Nightrose> that is due to dependencies I think
[09:07] <Nightrose> other stuff has to be build before kontact can be buil
[09:07] <Nightrose> d
[09:07] <Nightrose> and as long as that fails...
[09:07] <ZeBarbu> yeap..
[09:07] <ZeBarbu> or maybe the announce in kubuntu was a bit too early
[09:08] <ZeBarbu> ok, I was aware it is beta :)
[09:08] <Nightrose> ;-)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> fabo: any chance of the newest soundkonverter please?
[10:00] <fabo> Hobbsee: busy at work currently. I expect to do some packaging work this week-end.
[10:00] <Hobbsee> fabo: great.  filing a bug in your bts :)
[10:00] <fabo> :)
[10:01] <ZeBarbu> Hobbsee: just for my information: is there any kmail packages build expected date?
[10:01] <Hobbsee> ZeBarbu: unsure, tbh - i'm not involved in that area currently.
[10:02] <ZeBarbu> hum... do you know who is the right man I may ask this question?
[10:03] <ZeBarbu> just to know if I'd better find a failback , or just wait few hours.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: should know, i think
[10:03] <ZeBarbu> ok, thanks
[10:03] <ZeBarbu> I'll try disturbing him, then ;)
[10:03] <ZeBarbu> Riddell: around here?
[10:05] <ZeBarbu> I would just want to know when I can expect having working kontact packages. Is it a matter of hours, or few days? I don't want to stress you, only to know if I'd better wait or finding a failback
[10:06] <ZeBarbu> I'm lost without all my rss streams, my calendars and working with webmails is not the easiest way of working ;)
[10:14] <tictric> ZeBarbu: I only followed your thread very loosely but why don't you just use kontact/kde3?
[10:15] <ZeBarbu> because I already switched to kontact kde4
[10:15] <ZeBarbu> and I had to reconfigure all my accounts, etc...
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> ok, it's beta, but if we don't really use it, we won't find bugs and improve it.
[10:16] <tictric> doesn't matter. Just use the same files in kontact/kde3 e.g. calendar, contacts for mail you use imap
[10:17] <tictric> I tried it and it worked for me
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> I use pop
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> hum... I really don't want loosing data... I don't know if it's 100% compatible between kde3/kde4 versions...
[10:18] <tictric> Well, it wasn't very wise to switch to official beta software with such 'important' data without any backup or such
[10:18] <ZeBarbu> but if it takes too long to build kontact./kde4, I think i'll failback with this... after making big backups ;)
[10:18] <ZeBarbu> as I said, if we don't use it, we won't test/improve it...
[10:19] <tictric> you don't test with critical data
[10:19] <tictric> never, ever
[10:20] <ZeBarbu> :)
[11:51] <nixternal> apachelogger: it is built with it, apparmor just doesn't allow it to run
[11:51] <apachelogger> no it is not
[11:51] <apachelogger> at least not in the ppa
[11:52] <nixternal> something changed then
[11:52] <apachelogger> and the apparmor thingy can be worked around
[11:52] <apachelogger> pretty easy actually
[11:52] <nixternal> ya, I had it working with beta1 just fine
[11:52] <apachelogger> nixternal: also in the package?
[11:53] <nixternal> beta2 looks pretty good
[11:53] <nixternal> apachelogger: what do you mean by also in the package?
[11:54] <apachelogger> whether akonadi did work without fix0ring on one's system
[11:54] <nixternal> no, I had to do the fix
[11:54] <apachelogger> well
[11:54] <nixternal> I don't think we can do it in the package, the apparmor people need to add an exception iirc
[11:54] <apachelogger> I'll digg into the package later on
[11:54] <apachelogger> nixternal: we can
[11:55] <apachelogger> actually.... akonadiserver doesn't open a port anyway, does it?
[11:55] <nixternal> see what Riddell says, as he talked to the apparmor maintainer(s), can't remember what was said though, he told toma and I about it a few weeks back
[11:55] <nixternal> nope, just needs access to sql i think
[11:56] <apachelogger> than we could just bypass it
[11:56] <apachelogger> at least for hardy
[11:56] <apachelogger> I doubt apparmor is getting an SRU for that kind of change
[11:57] <\sh> seele: bug #243078 should be fixed.. in latest lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde-mdi-style
[12:09] <Riddell> nixternal: moi?
[12:10] <Riddell> nixternal: the issue as I mind is apparmour blocks mysql from writing to files in ~ because normally it only writes to /var/lib/mysql or whatever
[12:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: so we need to bypass it anyway?
[12:10] <Riddell> so that needs to be fixed in apparmour profiles (or I don't know if third party packages like akonadi can install apparmour profile files to fix it)
[12:11] <apachelogger> oh well
[12:11]  * apachelogger diggs into apparmor
[12:11] <apachelogger> though
[12:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually we should just bypass apparmor completely
[12:12] <apachelogger> since akonadiserver does only allow local connections we don't need a profie for apparmor
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, how?  it would be a bit of a rubbish system security mechanism if apps could just bypass it :)
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: they can
[12:12] <apachelogger> just ln mysqld mysqldakonadi
[12:12] <Riddell> apparmour isn't a firewall, it's about what files processes can write to
[12:12] <apachelogger> make akonadiserver use that binary instead of mysqld and there we go
[12:13] <Riddell> I'd be surprised if it was that easy to bypass
[12:13] <apachelogger> ask nix ;-)
[12:13] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:13] <apachelogger> this is a bit of problem either way
[12:14] <apachelogger> linking mysqldakonadi to mysqld and then allowing mysqldakonadi to write to $HOME is pretty much the same as allowing mysqld to do it, right?
[12:15] <Riddell> doesn't sound any easier than just fixing apparmour for mysqld
[12:15] <apachelogger> and not any more secure :)
[12:17] <apachelogger> mysql-server-5.0: /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld
[12:18] <apachelogger> hm
[12:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 197476
[12:25] <apachelogger> hm
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: considering mysql doesn't get an exception, we probably have to create such a mysqld.akonadi link and ship akonadi with an apparmor profile allowing it to write to homes only
[12:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: I guess apparmour is that easy to work around :)
[12:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the easiest way to test akonadi?
[12:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
[12:36] <apachelogger> akonadictl start
[12:56] <Riddell> if pbuilder fails, does it put the log somewhere?
[13:05] <Hobbsee> not unless you specify --log
[13:05] <apachelogger> uhm
[13:05] <apachelogger> I know that question
[13:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: add PKGNAME_LOGFILE=yes to your .pbuilderc
[13:06] <apachelogger> then a .build file containing the log will always be stored in /var/cache/pbuilder/results no matter whether the build was sucessful or not
[13:09] <Riddell> hmm, that seems like the sort of thing that should be on by default
[13:13] <apachelogger> very true :)
[13:13]  * apachelogger testbuilds akonadi
[13:17] <seele> \sh: bzr update leonov-kde-mdi-style?
[13:19] <\sh> seele: bzr merge :)
[13:19] <seele> hum, i guess not.  it doesn look like anything changed
[13:19] <seele> ah ok
[13:22] <seele> \sh: i remade but get this error when i try to run
[13:23] <seele> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23079/
[13:23] <seele> brb
[13:24] <\sh> seele: ah yes...you need to update to lp:leonov/python-launchpad-bugs ;)
[13:28]  * Hobbsee pokes Riddell or so
[13:30] <Riddell> hmm?
[13:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: see #debian-qt-kde please :)
[13:37] <gnomefreak> oh thanks Hobbsee for reminding me to do something ;)
[13:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which part?
[13:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the last part.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: heh :)
[13:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the request for upload
[13:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you want me to upload that taskjuggler diff to ubuntu?
[13:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to debian.
[13:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why would i need you to upload it to ubuntu?
[13:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why would you ask me to upload it to debian?
[13:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: because i don't have DD powers, and you do?
[13:39] <Riddell> no I don't
[13:39] <Hobbsee> oh.  never mind then :)
[13:46] <\sh> muah...
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/akonadi/
[14:10] <Riddell> nice
[14:10] <apachelogger> pretty self explaining ... mysqld is hardlinked to mysqld-akonadi, for which I added a apparmor profile, and patched akonadi to use that specific binary instead of mysqld
[14:12]  * apachelogger waves at Xand3r
[14:23] <seele> \sh: on the General tab, does Tasks ever have more than a few entries?
[14:23] <seele> \sh: probably 1 usually, 2 or 3 at most?
[14:24] <\sh> seele: that depends :) we have reports with more then 25 :)
[14:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: why is kde4pim no uploaded to the ppa yet?
[14:25] <seele> right, but what do you think is typical?
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: for hardy?  I expect it just means stdin hasn't got to it yet
[14:26] <apachelogger> hm
[14:26] <\sh> seele: the default is at least one...the usual is 4 to 5 including external bug tracker tasks
[14:26] <seele> ok
[14:26]  * apachelogger creates a looping poke for stdin
[14:27] <seele> \sh: is that information pretty important?  or do you just reference it for other reasons?
[14:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks like he uploaded it "6 minutes ago"
[14:27] <apachelogger> yeah, noticed it right now
[14:27] <\sh> seele: it's important :)
[14:27]  * apachelogger start killing bugs due to missing kde4pim
[14:28]  * ScottK hands seele Bug #230016 for a really extreme example.
[14:29] <\sh> ScottK: hehe :)
[14:29] <ScottK> leonov better not fall over and die on such bugs.
[14:31] <seele> hah.. yeah.  \sh if i subscribe to that bug with anything go BOOM?
[14:31] <\sh> seele: you won't see it now :)
[14:31] <\sh> seele: because it's done already ;9
[14:31] <\sh> seele: and no...it doesn't make boom then :)
[14:32] <seele> you can see closed bugs?
[14:32] <\sh> seele: not now :)
[14:32] <seele> ok
[14:34] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what is with me? sorry no time left, may be c ya at 22:00
[14:34] <apachelogger> :) always busy
[15:17] <\sh> seele: bug #243080 fixed
[15:18] <seele> \sh: branch again?
[15:18] <seele> er, merge
[15:20] <\sh> seele: just wait
[15:21] <\sh> seele: bug #243083 fixed too...pushing to lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde-mdi-style now
[15:21] <seele> ok
[15:21] <\sh> takes some time :)
[15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: one sponsoring please :) http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdesdk/kdesdk_4.0.83-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.debdiff
[15:24] <apachelogger> \sh: btw, http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot025.png
[15:24] <apachelogger> split-view-tabs > split-view :P
[15:28] <\sh> apachelogger: I know that feature :)
[15:28] <\sh> apachelogger: but it's not as nice as the feature of terminator ;)
[15:34] <apachelogger> \sh: it just needs some love ;-)
[15:35] <nixternal> oy vey
[15:35] <nixternal> does Red Hat do their security releases like Microsoft or what?
[15:36] <nixternal> I logged into my work email this morning and there were no less than 20 Red Hat security notices
[15:36] <nixternal> I have been here now for almost a month, and today was the first day I received any security notices
[15:36] <nixternal> luckily for me, only 4 apply to our appliance
[15:38] <seele> hrm
[15:38] <seele> \sh: seele@takochi:~/projects/leonov-kde-mdi-style$ bzr merge lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde-mdi-style
[15:38] <seele> bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/seele/projects/leonov-kde-mdi-style/" has uncommitted changes.
[15:38] <seele> \sh: i don't remember changing any files
[15:39] <seele> man pages are as useless as ever
[15:41] <txwikinger> seele: run bzr status which will give you the the files that haev been changed
[15:45] <seele> oh, maybe \sh didn't finish his merges?
[15:45]  * \sh is now a bit busy doing real life work ;) rollout of new product version :)
[15:45] <\sh> seele: I'm finished long ago :)
[15:45] <seele> does bzr work really differently from svn?  i can't get my head around it
[15:45] <\sh> seele: if it's not working out, just branch it again...
[15:45] <\sh> sometimes it's easier
[15:49] <seele> sigh.. that didn't work
[15:49] <seele> i have IRL work to do too.. i'll work on it later
[15:50] <\sh> seele: bug #242998 also fixed ;) pushed it to the branch
[15:50] <ScottK> seele: If you don't want to retrain your brain, bzr co works like svn co.
[15:51] <seele> \sh: ok.  i'm working on some UI suggestions too.  mockups take a bit of time than just screenshots
[15:52] <\sh> seele: thx :)
[15:52] <seele> ScottK: no.. my problem now is it won't make for some reason
[16:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a buildlog of broken kde4bindings build at hand?
[16:21] <apachelogger> hm, automoc is missing as build-dep
[16:22] <stdin> I think kdelibs5-dev recommends it in intrepid, I moved it to depends for the hardy packages
[16:24] <stdin> umm, nope kde4libs 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu3 depends automoc
[16:28] <apachelogger> we need to get the renamings done, it's giving me the craps
[16:28] <apachelogger> 3 possibly naming schemes is just too much
[16:29] <apachelogger> hum
[16:29] <apachelogger> indeed it does
[16:29] <apachelogger> stdin: thanks :)
[16:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: not to hand no, smoke didn't compile though
[16:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: no problem, I'll start a build, my latop looks pretty bored today ;-)
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: I actually took an svn snapshot for intrepid since that fixed pykde
[16:33]  * apachelogger is wondering why the kdebindings people don't do some pre-release testing
[16:34] <Riddell> lack of manpower I expect
[16:34] <smarter> we have a big problem with python-kde4
[16:35] <smarter> it doesn't work on 64bits
[16:35] <Riddell> smarter: just noticed that
[16:35] <smarter> I'm trying to fix it
[16:35] <smarter>  /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/__init__.py imports "dl" which doesn't exist on 64bits
[16:36] <apachelogger> well, \sh investigated on that for beta1
[16:36] <stdin> \sh fixed that iirc
[16:36] <Riddell> aah
[16:36] <Riddell> so he wasn't just making it all up :)
[16:36] <stdin> changed it to DLFCN
[16:36] <apachelogger> lol
[16:37] <smarter> hey it works
[16:37]  * apachelogger checks the beta1 packages in the ppa
[16:37] <smarter> i tried dlfcn
[16:37] <\sh> what?
[16:37] <smarter> didn't modules were case sensitives
[16:37] <smarter> *didn't know
[16:37] <smarter> \sh: did you report it upstream?
[16:37] <stdin> it looks for filenames, so I guess on a case-sensitive filesystem, python is case-sensitive too
[16:37] <\sh> smarter: it's known by sime...
[16:37] <smarter> ok
[16:38] <apachelogger> apparently \sh is loosing track of communication
[16:38] <\sh> smarter: the fix actually came from him
[16:38] <\sh> apachelogger: I wasn't connected
[16:38] <apachelogger> \sh: we could start communicate through bug reports ;-)
[16:38] <smarter> i googled for hours yesterday to find a fix ;)
[16:38] <\sh> apachelogger: I told you that when I pushed updated packages to the ppa
[16:39] <\sh> apachelogger: actually you should read changelogs...there is the fix, and the url ;)
[16:39] <smarter> cool then
[16:39] <apachelogger> I was like... not very motivated for doing any development
[16:39] <smarter> please someone upload the fix, guidance-power-manager needs it
[16:40] <smarter> I was going to hardcode the RTLD_things in __init__.py :p
[16:40]  * apachelogger looks at smarter
[16:40] <apachelogger> smarter: become motu and fix it yourself :P
[16:40] <smarter> hehe :p
[16:40] <smarter> I'd like to
[16:40] <smarter> be back later guys
[16:42] <apachelogger> \sh: please upload your latest diff.gz for kde4bindings
[16:42] <Riddell> stdin: you uploaded kde4bindings to the ppa, does that include \sh's fix?
[16:43] <stdin> Riddell: no, I forgot about that
[16:43] <apachelogger> \sh: already got it
[16:43] <apachelogger> Riddell, stdin: I will just merge all changes made to beta1 in the ppa with the current package
[16:44] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdesdk and akonadi uploaded
[16:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[16:48]  * stdin checks off kdepim from his list
[16:50] <Riddell> yay
[16:51] <stdin> as soon as kdeutils builds, then I should be done :)
[16:51] <Riddell> you may be faster than intrepid for that one :)
[16:56] <stdin> just a couple amd64 builds to go now :D
[17:16] <ZeBarbu> thanks guys for kdepim packages :)
[17:16] <daskreecH> Thank the man :)
[17:18] <Riddell> hugs to stdin
[17:19] <ZeBarbu> ho, what a thanks ping-pong! ;)
[17:20] <ZeBarbu> I may just make a suggestion: for next kubuntu announce, it may avoid problems if the announce comes after 'important' packages are all availables.
[17:20] <ZeBarbu> but, ok, I may have check by myself and wait... too hard! ;)
[17:21] <stdin> it did, all the base package were built when the announcement was made
[17:21] <stdin> and base is 'important' ;)
[17:22] <daskreecH> s/important/essential
[17:22] <stdin> libs + base == essential
[17:23] <ZeBarbu> yeap. I don't want to start a troll. I'm really happy with your packages, guys. thanks again!
[17:23] <stdin> besides, people were downloading it before we made the announcement, so it really wouldn't make a difference then
[17:24] <daskreecH> :-D
[17:24] <daskreecH> are there debug symbols for them?
[17:24] <apachelogger> -dbg
[17:25] <ZeBarbu> hum,... some people (including me) were waiting the announcement to upgrade, thinking it will be quite functionnal after that (ok, beta soft, but ready to use/test)
[17:25] <yuriy> apachelogger: -dbg for neon?
[17:25] <daskreecH> Don't think so
[17:26] <stdin> ZeBarbu: the announcement did say "Some packages are still compiling. Run the above command periodically to check for new additions" :)
[17:26] <daskreecH> Seem to remember that being mentioned somewhere
[17:26] <apachelogger> yuriy: for kde4
[17:26] <ZeBarbu> stdin: yes, yes, i know
[17:26] <daskreecH> ZeBarbu: :-) Hard to complain then :)
[17:26] <ZeBarbu> i'll check the availability of my needed packages the next time.
[17:26] <daskreecH> Which ones are needed?
[17:27] <apachelogger> stdin: how about building them in secret and then move them to the members?
[17:27] <ZeBarbu> daskreecH: it's not really a complain, better a suggestion for next time
[17:27] <apachelogger> daskreecH: those $USER got installed ;-)
[17:27] <yuriy> apachelogger: (sorry, clarified) are there debug symbols now for kde4 nightly in neon or are you all just talking about intrepid packages?
[17:27] <daskreecH> ZeBarbu: release early release often ^_^
[17:27] <stdin> apachelogger: I was building them in my PPA at first
[17:28] <stdin> since saturday actually
[17:28] <ZeBarbu> ok, thanks for your effort, back to work and my 458 unread mails + all rss streams ;)
[17:29] <daskreecH> ^A -> Del
[17:34] <apachelogger> stdin: you could have just copied them over, way faster than building them again :)
[17:34] <apachelogger> yuriy: there aren't yet
[17:34] <apachelogger> yuriy: feel free to implement them ;-)
[17:34] <stdin> apachelogger: they were copied
[17:35] <apachelogger> stdin: I mean the binaries as well
[17:35] <stdin> yep
[17:35] <apachelogger> stdin: what caused the problem then?
[17:36] <stdin> well, it took me until tuesday to get kde4libs to build properly
[17:36] <stdin> well, monday for kde4libs, tuesday for kdebase
[17:36] <apachelogger> I see
[17:37] <apachelogger> stdin: well, next time I am probably around to help :)
[17:38] <stdin> the PPA buildds were also backed-up badly, so that didn't help much
[17:38] <stdin> at one time the amd64 queue was around 45
[17:39]  * apachelogger really thinks LP needs some approach where people can contribute processing people
[17:43] <Hobbsee> stdin: you can get priority boosts, though
[17:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: build went fine, at dh_install for qyoto it broke
[17:46] <Riddell> humph
[17:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: building beta 2?
[17:46] <Riddell> or svn?
[17:46] <apachelogger> lastest version from launchpad
[17:46] <apachelogger> svn that is
[17:46] <Riddell> right
[17:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: but enabling the non-pykde packages presumably?
[17:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: of course
[17:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: but qyoto didn't compile?
[17:50] <apachelogger> hm
[17:51] <ZeBarbu> ok, i'm back with first problem :)
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually, looking at the cmake output, nothing but pykde built Oo
[17:51] <ZeBarbu> Seems akkregator doesn't open feeds
[17:51] <ZeBarbu> It fetch them ok, but when clicking on it, it only shows the description, not the feed articles themselves.
[17:52] <apachelogger> hum
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you comment out all the other stuff?
[17:52] <ZeBarbu> at least for me
[17:52] <apachelogger> Zanoi: http://bugs.kde.org
[17:52] <apachelogger> ZeBarbu: ^
[17:52] <apachelogger> Zanoi: sorry
[17:52] <ZeBarbu> ok
[17:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: the current intrepid version has all but python commented out, since smoke didn't compile for me
[17:53] <Riddell> and everything else uses smoke
[17:53] <apachelogger> ok
[17:53]  * apachelogger compiles again
[18:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: the x_*.cpp files don't get generated, or at least in the wrong directory
[18:23] <apachelogger> stdin: btw, if you have time... backporting the new akonadi package would be cool
[18:23] <apachelogger> the current one is pretty much useless
[18:23] <apachelogger> stdin: and when are yu applying for MOTU? ;-)
[19:24] <stdin> apachelogger: uploaded
[19:24] <stdin> and, umm, dunno :p
[19:24] <apachelogger> haha
[19:24]  * apachelogger hands stdin a cookie
[19:24] <stdin> pain killers are better, just getting over a migraine :(
[19:25]  * apachelogger has the most awkward migraine, and the most awkward painkillers for it
[19:25] <apachelogger> can't think properly for 3 days after taking one of these monsters
[19:26]  * daskreech imagines a suppository
[19:27] <apachelogger> huh, that would be...
[19:27] <apachelogger> ah well 24% for kdebindings
[19:31] <smarter> is kdebindings so huge?
[19:31] <smarter> took 5 minutes to build on my box with only python-kde4
[19:33] <apachelogger> smarter: gigantic
[19:33] <apachelogger> I think beta2 actually takes twice as long as beta1
[19:33] <apachelogger> a lot of new stuff in smoke and ruby
[19:34] <stdin> takes 52 mins for the package in the PPA, that's with just about everything except python-kde4 disabled
[19:34] <apachelogger> the problem is also that kdebindings can't be compiled with more than one jobs
[19:34] <apachelogger> always breaks for me
[19:38] <Riddell> it would be nice if kdebindings was split up
[19:39] <Riddell> it's such a troublesome module to package
[19:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: +1
[19:50] <apachelogger> oh
[19:50] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:51] <apachelogger> yet another break point
[19:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think I'll just grab a new SVN snapshot
[20:03] <Riddell> hi Arby, new extragear tars are out if you fancy
[20:04] <Arby> Riddell: ok, depends how urgent it is
[20:04] <Arby> no time this weekend
[20:04] <Arby> should be able to get some done though
[20:04] <apachelogger> talking about weekend
[20:04] <apachelogger> emonkey: I am not sure I can come
[20:05] <apachelogger> emonkey: though, maybe I will not get sucked in a wormhole and be in CH tomorrow evening
[20:05] <Riddell> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.83/extragear when you have some time
[20:05] <emonkey> apachelogger, would be cool if you able to attend
[20:06]  * Arby bookmarks
[20:06] <apachelogger> emonkey: I would have to do the laundry... ;-)
[20:06] <Riddell> oh maybe Xand3r wants to do extragear :)
[20:07] <Xand3r> hi again
[20:07]  * apachelogger thinks some cdbs practise for Xand3r would be quite awesome ;-)
[20:07]  * Xand3r thinks the same
[20:07] <emonkey> apachelogger, I've got holidays, si it doesn't matter on which days you want to attend, on saturday If to go to my little cubs scouts for 3 hours but there aren't any other commitments ath the moment
[20:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am giving up, rdale says smoke/ruby is still gonna change a lot within the next days
[20:08] <apachelogger> so taking a snapshot doesn't make much sense either
[20:08] <apachelogger> emonkey: then I will do the laundry tomorrow afternoon and arrive in CH at sat 3 a.m  ;-)
[20:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah well, thanks for trying
[20:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: so just add \sh's patch to it for now?
[20:09] <apachelogger> yes
[20:09] <emonkey> apachelogger, 3am is not the problem, 3pm would be
[20:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: want to do that or shall I?
[20:09] <apachelogger> emonkey: ;-)
[20:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll do it, have everything here already
[20:10] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so what is to do?
[20:12] <stdin> apachelogger: I've already uploaded kde4bindings with the patch to the k-m-kde4 ppa
[20:12] <stdin> mostly so kdeutils would build for amd64 without me having to slap it about with a large object
[20:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r: package updates ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.83/extragear
[20:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailody
[20:13] <apachelogger> you get the latest sources
[20:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dget https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/mailody/0.5.0-4/+files/mailody_0.5.0-4.dsc
[20:14] <apachelogger> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[20:14] <apachelogger> get the new tarball
[20:14] <apachelogger> unpack the tarball
[20:14] <apachelogger> copy the debian directory form the old folder to the new one
[20:14] <apachelogger> add a changelog entry, check the packaging for up-to-dateness
[20:15] <apachelogger> then you create a debdiff - debidff OLD.dsc NEW.dsc
[20:15] <apachelogger>  debdiff OLD.dsc NEW.dsc > deb.diff
[20:15] <apachelogger> actually
[20:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: not so fast please
[20:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: then you upload/paste the file somewhere and ask Riddell to sponsor the upload
[20:15] <Xand3r> kk
[20:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: the nice thing about IRC is I can be that fast while you can read it slowly ;-)
[20:16] <stdin> once you get the hang of it, you'll be able to do it as fast as apachelogger types :P
[20:16] <apachelogger> hehe
[20:16] <stdin> hmm, has kopete-cryptography still not been uploaded anywhere?
[20:18] <apachelogger> I did not
[20:21] <Xand3r> apachelogger: after the "dpkg-source -x *dsc" there is only one tar
[20:21] <Arby> stdin: I started trying to build 4.0.80 and got stuck
[20:21] <Arby> haven't had time to unpick it yet
[20:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dpkg-source extracts the tarball and applies the diff.gz
[20:21] <apachelogger> i.e. you get a source directory with debian subdirectory right away
[20:21] <stdin> Arby: if you want a hand, let me know. I packaged it back pre-4.0
[20:22] <Arby> stdin: it was failing due to lack of kdepim
[20:22] <Arby> which I couldn't get to install in my chroot
[20:22] <Arby> probably a broken chroot but not had time to work it out yet
[20:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what means "applies" the diff
[20:23] <jeroen-> do I need to be here for qurstions about KDE 4.1 b2?
[20:23] <stdin> I know there was a reason it needed kdepim, but I can't remember now
[20:23] <smarter> Xand3r: dpkg-source is done automatically if you have the right keys ("apt-get install debian-keyring"  has most of them)
[20:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: less *diff.gz
[20:24] <stdin> jeroen-: #kubuntu-kde4 is probably a better place
[20:24] <smarter> Xand3r: *automatically by dget
[20:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: as I said earlier the .orig.tar.gz shouldn't be changed while package (i.e. files outside of debian/) ... the reason for this is that one of the source package files diff.gz is actually a diff from the _original tarball_ to your source tree with debian/
[20:24] <jeroen-> stdin: thanks
[20:26] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ultimately the diff.gz only includes your debian/ .... and by apply I mean, that the diff is applied to the original source tree, so when you cd into the source directory there will be a debian/ directory right away
[20:26] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dpkg-source -x is pretty much the opposite of debuild -S -sa
[20:27] <Xand3r> opposite? how i have to understand this in that contxt?
[20:27] <apachelogger> Xand3r: gegenteil
[20:28] <Xand3r> i know
[20:28] <apachelogger> meh
[20:28] <Xand3r> ypu dont understand my question -.-
[20:29] <apachelogger> well
[20:29] <apachelogger> that is really bad
[20:29] <apachelogger> because I don't either :P
[20:29] <Xand3r> ^^
[20:30] <Xand3r> wait, thinking is today verry difficult
[20:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: I also included .install updates and two new packages I introduced for beta1... so we don't have to redo this stuff once it is building properly again http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kde4bindings/kde4bindings_4.0.83+svn823405-0ubuntu6_to_ubuntu7.debdiff
[20:31] <Xand3r> first of all i need somethink to drink, may be after it it will be better, maybe
[20:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: groovy, uploading
[20:56] <Arby> Riddell: having confusion with version numbers. previously kcoloredit was 4.0.80. now it's 1.5.0
[20:57] <Arby> I don't get it
[20:57] <Arby> I'm guessing 1.5.0 is an upstream number
[20:57] <Arby> am I allowed to just rename it to 4.0.83 or is that bad?
[21:00] <Riddell> Arby: yeah, upstream screwed up
[21:00] <Arby> oh, I assumed it was me :)
[21:00] <Riddell> Arby: change the numbers to match what they were before
[21:00] <Arby> cool thanks
[21:12] <yuriy> found all of 1 person here running Kubuntu
[21:15] <Arby> Riddell: kcoloredit done, files in the usual place under extragear4.0.83
[21:17] <Xand3r> Riddell: i work now on guidance-power-manager, i that ok?
[21:17] <Xand3r> *is
[21:36] <Arby> Riddell: kfax also done, files in same place
[21:52] <smarter> Xand3r: I've done guidance-power-manager
[21:53] <smarter> just waiting for kde4bindings build to finish
[21:53] <smarter> Xand3r: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu
[21:54] <Xand3r> smarter: ok, late but, not much done
[21:55] <smarter> hmm? what is late?
[21:55] <Xand3r> smarter: that you say now that it is already build
[21:56] <Xand3r> but it doesnt mater
[21:56] <smarter> you could have checked code.launchpad.net
[21:56] <Xand3r> ok noticed for the next time
[21:59] <Riddell> smarter: there's a new version
[21:59] <Riddell> Xand3r: go ahead on guidance-power-manager
[21:59] <Xand3r> Riddell: ?
[22:00] <Xand3r> smarter: already did it or?
[22:00] <Riddell> Xand3r: smarter did an older version
[22:00] <Riddell> this is a new version so it could do with the package being updated
[22:00] <smarter> Riddell: new version?
[22:00] <Xand3r> ok than i work now on the extrager version
[22:00]  * smarter wasn't aware
[22:01] <Xand3r> *then
[22:01] <Riddell> smarter: it's being released along with kde releases as part of extragear ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.83/extragear
[22:01] <Riddell> smarter: I doubt anything has changed except translations
[22:01] <smarter> I'll update then
[22:01] <Xand3r> you?
[22:01] <smarter> I'll change the get-orig-svn target and update changelog entry
[22:01] <Riddell> Xand3r: best pick another one then
[22:02] <Xand3r> headache
[22:02] <Xand3r> this was my third chois^^
[22:02] <smarter> Riddell: no update to gpm since three weeks
[22:03] <smarter> I'll just change the version to match kde4 version
[22:05] <mitsarionas> hi... could someone tell me when will there be a new kubuntu intrepid iso available? on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all it says it's rebuilding...
[22:06] <Xand3r> Riddell: what would be a easy package, where is no one working on?
[22:07] <Riddell> Xand3r: kiconedit?
[22:07] <Xand3r> ok i try it
[22:07] <Xand3r> but i think i need help later
[22:08] <Riddell> just ask here
[22:08] <Xand3r> thx
[22:08] <smarter> what else needs packaging in extragear?
[22:08] <smarter> Riddell: rev6 of gpm pushed, please upload when kde4bindings has finished bindings
[22:13] <Xand3r> is there an older version of kiconedit, cause i want to copy the copyright file
[22:16] <Xand3r> if there are cpp with different copyright holder, is it needed that i tell in the copyright in wich file who has the copyright?
[22:17] <mitsarionas> so doesn't anyone know when/where i could get an intrepid iso? :/
[22:20] <smarter> Xand3r: yes
[22:22] <Xand3r> smarter: -.- i hate this work
[22:24] <Xand3r> smarter: how it has to look like in the copyrighte file?
[22:24] <smarter> look at my kde4-style-bespin package for example
[22:24] <smarter> or even my guidance-power-manager package
[22:24] <smarter> bespin is maintained in bzr at code.lp.net too
[22:25] <Xand3r> ok thx
[22:32] <Xand3r> hi i get a cmakeerror
[22:32] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23205/
[22:32] <Xand3r> maybe not all deps are listed
[22:33] <Xand3r> i onli set on cdbs and cmake
[22:33] <Xand3r> where i can get infos a bout the depends?
[22:36] <nixternal> you need the latest cmake (2.6)
[22:37] <smarter> Xand3r:   ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
[22:38] <Xand3r> i have cmake 2.6
[22:38] <nixternal> cuz cmake isn't working properly
[22:38] <nixternal> Xand3r: do you have cmake from the ~kubuntu-members-kde4 repo?
[22:38] <smarter> this package needs kdelibs5-dev
[22:38] <Xand3r> smarter: i added now kdelibs5-dev, maybe, but i have no clue
[22:38] <smarter> no clue of what?
[22:39] <Xand3r> of all^^, i am a beginner
[22:39] <nixternal> ahh, I didn't see that FindeKDE4.cmake error
[22:39] <smarter> just look at what cmake says
[22:39] <smarter> even if cmake 2.6 is a bit too verbose imho
[22:40] <Xand3r> but i dont know how i can fix the problem
[22:40]  * nixternal starts heading to the train
[22:40] <smarter> Riddell: I updated guidance-power-manager(revision 7) with a debian/watch and a get-orig-source to get the tarball from kde FTP with the translations
[22:40] <smarter> Xand3r: it looks for kde4-config
[22:40] <Xand3r> yes
[22:40] <smarter> so it means that you must build-deps on the package where this file is located
[22:40] <smarter> this package is kdelibs-bin
[22:41] <Xand3r> -bin?
[22:41] <smarter> but if it needs kde4, it probably needs the headers and stuff
[22:41] <Xand3r> not dev
[22:41] <smarter> so you build deps on kdelibs5-dev, which depends on kdelibs-bin
[22:41] <smarter> and cmake is happy with his kde4-config and things can be built
[22:42] <Xand3r> smarter: kdelibs or kdekibs5?
[22:42] <smarter> kdelibs5-dev
[22:42] <smarter> which depends on kdelibs-bin
[22:43] <smarter> there's no kdelibs-dev
[22:43] <smarter> and kdelibs4-dev is kde3
[22:43] <smarter> (yes, it's a bit confusing)
[22:43] <Xand3r> ah ok, i have to list kdelibs-bin in the depends?
[22:44] <smarter> no
[22:44] <smarter> kdelibs5-dev
[22:44] <Xand3r> ok
[22:44] <smarter> since kdelibs5-dev depends on kdelibs-bin, it will be automatically installed with it
[22:44] <Xand3r> ok installed will this understand the buildserver?
[22:45] <smarter> hmm?
[22:45] <smarter> you mean, will the buildserver installs -bin?
[22:45] <smarter> the answer is yes
[22:45] <Xand3r> ok
[22:45] <smarter> dependencies are here for a reason
[22:46] <smarter> packages listed under Depends: in apt-cache name-of-the-package are always installed
[22:49] <Xand3r> has this package to be finished to day?
[22:49] <smarter> if you mean, "today", no it can wait
[22:50] <Xand3r> i have problems with pbuilder Err http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main kdelibs5-data 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu8
[22:50] <Xand3r> 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[22:50] <Xand3r> but i have to know if all depends are solved
[22:51] <smarter> update your pbuilder
[22:51] <Xand3r> clear
[22:53] <Xand3r> ok i use the time fore the other files
[22:54] <Xand3r> smarter: for the changelog, wihch lp number i have to use? and which version i have to take? the version of kde?
[22:54] <Xand3r> OR WAT?
[22:55] <smarter> Xand3r: version: 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1
[22:55] <Xand3r> ":"?
[22:55] <smarter> I don't think it's worth filling a bug report on lp for it
[22:55] <smarter> : = epoch
[22:56] <Xand3r> epoch?
[22:56] <smarter> should be explained in the debian policy
[22:56] <Xand3r> kk
[22:56] <smarter> or debian new maintainer guide
[22:56] <Xand3r> i will find it
[22:56] <smarter> for example:<PHONE_NUMBER>-0ubuntu1 << 1:0.1-0ubuntu1
[22:57] <Xand3r> dont got it
[22:58] <smarter> imagine your packaging a software, with version number 450024 (because it's the svn revision or whatever)
[22:58] <smarter> and then the developers release a 1.0
[22:58] <smarter> if you change version number to 1.0, apt-get won't know that it's a new versionb
[22:59] <smarter> *version
[22:59] <smarter> but if you change version to 1:1.0 apt-get will update the package, cause the version number will be bigger
[22:59] <smarter> if there's no epoch, 0 is assumed
[22:59] <smarter> and 0:450024 << 1:1.0
[23:00] <Xand3r> got it
[23:00] <smarter> \o/
[23:07] <Xand3r> only the copyright is left
[23:09] <Xand3r> is my kiconedit the same like http://w1.1358.telia.com/~u135800018/prog.html#KICONEDIT
[23:25] <seele> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23210/
[23:25] <seele> \sh: i remerged bugs and make sure there was a link.  i dunno how to resolve the problem
[23:38] <daskreech> Woah!
[23:38] <daskreech> nvidia really is going to be the anchor
[23:38] <daskreech> ATI cards now ship with Tux on the box?


[01:17] <viewer|33066> Hi can anyone help , i installed kubuntu a while back on my hp pavillion a6202n desktop and i am trying to re install windows 7 pro from a usb key , my bios does not boot from usb , can it be done from inside kubuntu
[01:19] <viewer|33066> well thanks anyway
[01:19] <valorie> viewer|33066: windows likes to be first, not second
[01:19] <viewer|33066> yeah i know
[01:19] <valorie> do you already have win installed, and just want to re-install?
[01:20] <viewer|33066> no lost it when i install kubuntu
[01:20] <valorie> also: you only asked two mins ago!
[01:20] <valorie> ah
[01:20] <viewer|33066> yes i want to try to re-install
[01:20] <valorie> so do you have a partition that Windows likes?
[01:21] <valorie> like ntfs or FAT?
[01:21] <viewer|33066> seems not but im not great with linux so i kinda screwed up ,
[01:22] <valorie> !windows
[01:22] <viewer|33066> the usb key is ntfs
[01:22] <valorie> oh pfff, ubottu
[01:22] <valorie> I think first you will need to make a ntfs partition
[01:22] <valorie> !dualboot
[01:23] <valorie> there we go
[01:23] <valorie> viewer|33066: please read and follow that first link
[01:23] <valorie> the folks who wrote it know much more than I
[01:23] <viewer|33066> well thanks valorie i guess i will pull out the drive and reformat then dual boot
[01:23] <valorie> ?
[01:23] <valorie> that's not at all what I suggested
[01:24] <viewer|33066> i know its just the only way i know
[01:24] <valorie> how will you boot if you reformat?
[01:24] <valorie> I just gave you the link to follow
[01:24] <viewer|33066> format using my laptop the reinstall dual boot
[01:25] <valorie> once you format, you will have NO os
[01:25] <valorie> not windows, not linux
[01:25] <valorie> I said to PARTITION
[01:25] <viewer|33066> yup restart all
[01:25] <valorie> not re-format the whole thing
[01:26] <valorie> !partition
[01:26] <viewer|33066> okay i will go to check that link thanks all
[01:26] <valorie> good luck
[01:54] <goddard> imagemagik recently had a big bug
[01:54] <goddard> is that only an issue on servers
[02:03] <valorie> goddard: mostly only on servers, yes
[02:03] <valorie> however I filed a bug and recently heard that the fix will be out tomorrow for ubuntu
[02:04] <valorie> the fix will be backported to all the supported releases
[02:05] <valorie> !info qtwebengine
[02:06] <valorie> true enough, ubottu
[02:19] <goddard> valorie: thats good
[02:20] <goddard> valorie: why is it used on the desktop though?
[02:21] <valorie> why is imagemagick used on the desktop?
[02:50] <goddard> valorie: yeah its installed by default
[02:58] <valorie> it's part of the packageset because many people use it to mass edit their photos, etc.
[02:58] <valorie> and have been for many years
[02:59] <valorie> !imagemagick
[02:59] <valorie> nope, ubottu doesn't know
[02:59] <valorie> but a bit of googling will find you the magick
[03:00] <goddard> valorie: ok so it isn't required
[03:01] <valorie> no, certainly not
[03:01] <valorie> what goes on the DVD is partly what the core ubuntu devs put there, and partly what we decide our own packageset will be
[03:02] <goddard> i see
[03:02] <goddard> i also asked on the forum why they didn't include calligra instead of libreoffice
[03:02] <valorie> in general, we provide KDE software, but sometimes other stuff
[03:02] <goddard> they said because of file format saving
[03:02] <valorie> we didn't think calligra was ready yet
[03:03] <valorie> we hope it will be soon
[03:03] <valorie> we used to provide Konqueror, for instance
[03:03] <valorie> and now Dolphin and Firefox instead
[03:04] <valorie> libreoffice and ff are the two exceptions to the KDE-only policy
[03:04] <valorie> well, that I can think of
[03:05] <goddard> valorie: software source
[03:05] <goddard> that is gtk right?
[03:06] <goddard> its in unity as well so i just assumed
[03:08] <valorie> what is gtk?
[03:08] <valorie> oh, I think the theming in FF is
[03:09] <goddard> http://www.gtk.org/
[03:09] <valorie> but we have a package that beautifies that somewhat
[03:09] <valorie> oh, I know what gtk is
[03:09] <goddard> that is basically what gnome uses
[03:09] <goddard> kde uses Qt
[03:09] <valorie> I didn't know to what you were referring
[03:09] <goddard> oh ok
[03:09] <valorie> yes....... I know this
[03:09] <valorie> Unity also uses Qt these days
[03:10] <goddard> yeah unity 8 soon
[03:10] <valorie> in fact we no longer (we=kubuntu) package Qt
[03:10] <goddard> oh yeah? its upstream now
[03:10] <valorie> and that has in fact held us back some, because would prefer a newer Qt than Ubuntu wants
[03:11] <valorie> we would, I mean
[03:11] <goddard> Does KDE-Neon solve that?
[03:11] <valorie> well, Neon is in charge of their own packages, if that's what you mean
[03:12] <goddard> i just figured they package Qt and KDE base
[03:12] <valorie> afaik they do not yet have Qt 5.6 either
[03:12] <goddard> but i haven't looked at all of it
[03:12] <valorie> yet
[03:12] <valorie> so it could be a blessing to us, because evidently 5.6.0 was buggy
[03:13] <goddard> have you tested adding the apt source to 16.04 yet?
[03:13] <valorie> perhaps 5.6.1 will be better
[03:13] <valorie> I'm running 16.10 on two of my boxes
[03:13] <goddard> oh yeah? what does that change?
[03:14] <valorie> I wanted Plasma 6 sooner
[03:14] <goddard> ahh
[03:15] <goddard> i really want the new Qt Creator
[03:15] <valorie> !info qtcreator
[03:15] <goddard> version 4 has a refreshed UI
[03:15] <goddard> among other things
[03:15] <valorie> has it been released?
[03:15] <goddard> by Qt
[03:16] <valorie> if so, file a bug in launchpad asking that it be packaged
[03:16] <valorie> I think Ubuntu does that, since they use it
[03:16] <valorie> we package kdevelop
[03:17] <valorie> if you know where the tarballs are, link that in your bug report
[03:17] <goddard> another good app
[03:17] <goddard> ok
[03:18] <valorie> easiest way to file a bug: `ubuntu-bug qtcreator`
[03:18] <valorie> in the cli
[03:18] <goddard> oh nice
[03:18] <valorie> if possible, I always try to do it that way
[04:32] <tiox> .
[04:33] <tiox> Alright, I can send to channel. Can somebody perform ;xdg-open uery default inode/directory' on their desktop, for anyone using dolphin?
[04:33] <tiox> Ahem....
[04:33] <tiox> 'xdg-open query default inode/directory' rather.
[04:34] <tiox> Nah. I am tired. My apologies.
[04:34] <tiox> 'xdg-mime query default inode/directory' for the last time. This time I have it right.
[04:34] <tiox> Sorry for being so stupid.
[04:41] <abhishek> hi guys!
[04:42] <abhishek> I was facing a wifi issue with laptop. I am able to connect to wifi but it doesn't transmit data for the internet to work
[04:42] <abhishek> More details: http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek
[04:43] <abhishek> any ideas folks?
[05:11] <valorie> abhishek: I've not heard anything since you last spoke here about it
[05:11] <valorie> you might ask in #ubuntu which is a much larger channel
[05:11] <valorie> I don't think this issue is caused by KDE or Kubuntu specifically
[05:13] <valorie> in fact, it seems to be a kernel problem
[05:14] <valorie> it's unfortunate that people are discussing these problems in blog posts, askubuntu etc. and not filing good bug reports
[05:15] <valorie> if it were me, I'd write to the Ubuntu-kernel list and explain the issue you are having, and ask what sort of bug report would help get this fixed
[05:18] <abhishek> valorie, hi thanks for the reply! I am new to linux how can I post to kernel list ?
[05:19] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam
[05:19] <valorie> abhishek: ^^^
[08:30] <krajiv> I have just install kubuntu. everything seems ro work fine except the default "software center". Whenever i open the software center it is so laggy that it is very difficult to work with
[08:33] <rajivk> I have just install kubuntu. everything seems ro work fine except the default "software center". Whenever i open the software center it is so laggy that it is very difficult to work with.
[08:33] <rajivk> anybody please help
[09:14] <acheron88> is that plasma-discover or the ubuntu software center?
[09:15] <acheron88> oh.. gone
[09:18] <rajivk> plasma-discover
[09:18] <rajivk> plasma-discover
[09:23] <rajivk> acheron88: Its plasma-discover.
[09:45] <acheron88> I don't use that I'm afraid, although I recall some people sayign there were a few problems with the version in xenial?
[10:01] <Guest15501> 1
[11:00] <rajiv1> I have installed kubuntu today. everything works fine except the default "software center (discover)". whenever i opened it, it is not working properly, it is so laggy. will anybody please tell me why this is happening? How to sole this problem?
[11:02] <soee> rajiv1: it is just buggy, we cant do much here - it is KDE appliction
[11:02] <soee> i suggest using muon
[11:03] <soee> !muon
[11:03] <rajiv1> soee: then what is the better way to install software in kubuntu 16.04?
[11:04] <soee> rajiv1: install muon  - it is package maneger
[11:05] <rajiv1> soee: so discover is buggy for you as well.
[11:05] <soee> rajiv1: it is buggy but i do not use it at all
[11:06] <rajiv1> soee: can i install packages by using apt-get from the terminal?
[11:06] <soee> rajiv1: sure
[11:06] <soee> rajiv1: but use just 'apt'
[11:07] <soee> sudo apt install some-package
[11:07] <rajiv1> ubottu: why not "apt-get"
[11:08] <rajiv1> soee: why not "apt-get"?
[11:08] <soee> rajiv1: apt is modern one, it has proggress bar, async downloading etc.
[11:09] <soee> !apt
[11:11] <rajiv1> ubottu: it doesn't matter weather we are intelligent or a bot. the only thing that matters is 'we help each others':)
[11:12] <rajiv1> ubottu: is muon installed by default in kubuntu 16.04?
[11:12] <soee> rajiv1: it is not, install it :)
[11:13] <rajiv1> soee: thank you:)
[11:15] <rajiv1> soee: what is the keyboard shortcut to open terminal in kubuntu?
[11:16] <soee> hmm i don know i use yakuake :]
[11:16] <soee> !yakuake
[11:17] <hateball> rajiv1: there is no default shortcut
[11:18] <hateball> You can assign ctrl+alt+t or some such to launch Konsole tho
[11:18] <rajiv1> hateball: how do i make one?
[11:18] <hateball> rajiv1: open krunner (alt+space) search for global shortcuts
[11:18] <hateball> and there you can make a new one
[11:19] <hateball> oh my bad, I see the wording has changed in 16.04
[11:20] <hateball> rajiv1: search for "khotkeys"
[11:22] <rajiv1> hateball: whenever i search for khotkeys , the global shortcuts window has closed.
[11:24] <tytan> Hello, everyone
[11:25] <soee> hiho tytan
[11:25] <tytan> Can I expect KDE Plasma 5.6 in Kubuntu 16.04.1? =)
[11:30] <soee> tytan: yes
[11:30] <tytan> Is there any place on the internet where I can read what to expect with Kubuntu 16.04.1 LTS?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:32] <tytan> BluesKaj: hi
[11:33] <BluesKaj> hi tytan
[11:49] <tytan> what are you bdoing? I'm just jamming on my guitar while being here ^^
[11:51] <tytan> mausschubser: what a name :'D nice
[11:53] <rajiv1> Monkeydust: what is the difference between "synaptic" and "muon" package managers?
[11:54] <soee> syadmin: is gtk based, muon qt
[11:54] <soee> *synapti
[11:54] <soee> c
[11:55] <rajiv1> soee: sorry its 'synaptic'
[12:06] <acheron88> synaptic has more options and features, but is also a bit long in the tooth
[12:08] <BluesKaj> muon works well here, I mean the standard nondefault muon, not muon-discover
[12:10] <acheron88> muon could be really great if it was developed a bit more
[12:10] <otjura> acheron88: what's lacking?
[12:14] <kroot_> hi
[12:16] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  muon works well as a reference for package info and dependencies etc
[12:24] <acheron88> just a few things like savable custom search filter, being able to generate package downod scripts etc
[12:25] <acheron88> BluesKaj: true. I do fall back to apt/apt-get a lot
[12:50] <omkar_> hi all,would I get a kubuntu dvd shipped on my address for free?
[12:52] <hateball> omkar_: I dont think you can even buy official kubuntu DVDs any longer
[13:02] <omkar_> ok so only option is download
[13:02] <omkar_> earlier i use to order dvds from ubuntu website so that if they are still providing it that way
[13:09] <yossarianuk> is anyone using Geary on KDE ?
[13:28] <black0ne> ahoy!
[13:28] <black0ne> the new release rulez!
[13:29] <black0ne> But i have some problems with the networkmanager, showing errors
[13:30] <BluesKaj> black0ne, wifi or ethernet?
[13:30] <black0ne> error-displays: like "could not load qmlfile: file:///usr/share/plasma/.../
[13:31] <black0ne> its only the widget and not the hardware itself
[13:32] <black0ne> error-mess: https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13173944_1317228701620463_1305307557465369615_n.jpg?oh=e304f7f84c563481640087f4ba57ac2a&oe=57D79CAF
[13:32] <BluesKaj> black0ne, update and upgrade..there should be a patch that fixes the problem , full-upgrade will help too
[13:33] <black0ne> everthings updated (i always do that first..)
[13:33] <black0ne> ((reinstalled although))
[13:34] <black0ne> same error-message: https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13240665_10205138135447681_9038154599001694020_n.jpg?oh=51faf54d60a7a91525d58722e2fa4093&oe=57D9ADE2
[13:36] <black0ne> i although removed that widget and try to pin it on my controlpanel again. showing same error
[13:42] <black0ne> "error loading qml-file: ///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.networkmanagement/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1 plugin cannot be loaded for module "org.kde.plasma.networkmanagement": could not load libary /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/networkmanagent/libplasmanm_qmlplugins.so: (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libplasmanm_editor.so: u
[13:42] <black0ne> ndefined symbol: _ZN14NetworkManager11WimaxDevice16staticMetaObjectE)"
[14:06] <black0ne> shall i try using a different network-manager?
[14:10] <yossarianuk> 16.04 network manager is totally broken
[14:11] <yossarianuk> you cannot change any settings to any wired interface
[14:11] <yossarianuk> i.e https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574826
[14:13] <black0ne> ay!
[14:25] <black0ne> shall i make a bug-report?
[14:25] <black0ne> Haven`t seen my problem listed there
[14:44] <user|24126> hi, can someone help me? i have a doubt regarding kubuntu
[14:45] <DetroitBadBoy> What's the doubt?
[14:45] <user|24126> is kubuntu just ubuntu with KDE or it's totally different?
[14:46] <DetroitBadBoy> Ubuntu is the base OS. Techs have created the different 'flavors' so that there is an interest in no matter which one you choose
[14:48] <user|24126> so ubuntu and kubuntu gets the same updates at the same time?
[14:48] <DetroitBadBoy> No
[14:48] <DetroitBadBoy> Depending on the desktop format and various other things determines the rate of updating
[14:49] <DetroitBadBoy> You can always manually check for updates any time
[14:49] <user|24126> ok, thank you for your help :)
[14:49] <user|24126> bye
[14:49] <DetroitBadBoy> You're welcome :)
[14:49] <DetroitBadBoy> ciao
[14:57] <black0ne> ok. i don`t know why, but switching to the ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable helped. My networkmanager now works
[15:34] <ik_> hola
[15:48] <parveen> how can i write in libreoffice in hindi language. please help me on this
[15:49] <D-rex> parveen: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?lang=pick
[15:52] <parveen> bro this will download the whole libreoffice. i already have libreoffice on my system. can i just download only language from settings or something like that.
[15:54] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen: try this link http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/languagetool
[15:58] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen: you can also click Tools > options> Language Settings > Languages > Locale Settings. That will give you the option to choose a language to translate to
[16:11] <parveen_> how can i install another language from system settings. i am using kubuntu 16.04
[16:12] <DetroitBadBoy> open libreoffice then click Tools > options> Language Settings > Languages > Locale Settings.
[16:13] <DetroitBadBoy> From there you can see all the language options available
[16:14] <DetroitBadBoy> You will see 2 checkboxes near the bottom of that screen. One of them is for complexe language layout. Hindi is listed there also
[16:14] <DetroitBadBoy> I suggest you try those settings and options
[16:26] <parveen_> i did this and it is showing hindi in bottom bar of libreoffice but when i start typing it is typing in english
[16:27] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen_: open konsole. Type sudo apt install libreoffice-help-hi
[16:28] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen_ after install that you should then type in konsole sudo apt install l10n-hi
[16:29] <parveen_> it is showing unable to locate package libreoffice-help-hi
[16:30] <parveen_> not working bro
[16:30] <parveen_> second one is showing that command not found
[16:30] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen_: the only other option to resolve is to uinstall libreoffice, then re-install it using the option for additional languages during install
[16:31] <parveen_> how can i do that
[16:31] <parveen_> please elaborate
[16:33] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen_: run these commands one at a time. That will uninstall libreoffice --     sudo apt-get remove --purge libreoffice*
[16:33] <DetroitBadBoy> sudo apt-get clean
[16:33] <DetroitBadBoy> sudo apt-get autoremove
[16:36] <parveen_> in system settings how can i download regional languages so that i can make my UI in different language.
[16:36] <parveen_> i don't remember from where regional language are downloaded.
[16:38] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen_: I assume you have not uninstalled libreoffice yet, correct?
[16:38] <parveen_> yes
[16:43] <DetroitBadBoy> parveen_: I feel the only option left would be to choose the first link given to you. It will overwrite your existing libreoffice but it should not later any documents you have save for changing the language
[16:43] <DetroitBadBoy> alter, not later
[17:02] <Doyle> Hey. What service is it that automounts usb in 16.x?
[17:03] <Doyle> USB has stopped automounting and I'd like to give it a kick
[17:07] <lethu> Doyle: go to system settings
[17:08] <lethu> then removable devices
[17:08] <lethu> then check if enable automatic mounting of removable media is checked
[18:54] <billy_>
[18:54] <billy_>
[21:15] <rajiv1> what is the command to get information about a package?
[21:20] <mparillo> For rekonq, for example, apt-cache policy rekonq
[21:20] <acheron88> depends what information you want
[21:22] <acheron88> 'apt-cache show' and 'apt-cache showpkg' also show info
[21:25] <rajiv1> acheron88: thankyou:)
[22:49] <yotux> is there a way to fix missing icons in kde apps?
[22:50] <bprompt> yotux:    yes, choose another icon :)
[22:51] <bprompt> depends on what icons you're referring, but toolbar wise, you can configure the icons to whatever you want
[22:51] <yotux> kmymoney is missing most icons
[22:52] <yotux> not sure if there is a way to map icons to the program or not
[22:53] <bprompt> yotux:    ok.... hmmm I don't use kmymoney for one... but another workaround, maybe changing the kde theme, since I think the issue may be the current theme icon set, the app may not do pngs or xpm or whatever the theme is using
[22:53] <bprompt> yotux:   depends on what "map icons to program" mean
[22:54] <yotux> I am using default theme on kubuntu 16.04
[22:54] <bprompt> yotux:    maybe you should get another one then :)    kde-look.org
[22:55] <yotux> thanks
[22:55] <bprompt> yotux:   but it may be that
[23:07] <valorie> it isn't broken for everybody
[23:08] <valorie> oops, responded to old post, ignore the noise
[23:13] <fuze> anyone know how to fix this error: org.kde.plasma: unversioned plugin detected, may result in instability
[23:19] <bprompt> fuze:   when do  you get that?
[23:20] <fuze> bprompt: running plasmashell as it keeps crashing
[23:22] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:23] <bprompt> fuze:     try deleting -> ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc, logout, log back in
[23:23] <fuze> will that delete all my settings?
[23:24] <fuze> bprompt:
[23:24] <bprompt> fuze:   nope, for the applets, or plasmoids  only AFAIK
[23:25] <bprompt> fuze:    kde or kwin to be exact, uses .kde folder to store kde settings still, but they've moved the apps settings to ~/.config now
[23:25] <bprompt> fuze:    issue seems to be, a plasmoid installed or active is choking it
[23:27] <fuze> bprompt: still have the error
[23:28] <bprompt> fuze:    cheap answer is, if unplugging one cable doesn't make it stop, pull out all the cables =) hehehe, back up your .kde and .config first, then try removing some  configuration files that may be choking the session
[23:29] <fuze> bprompt: i dont think that error is the cause of the crash, i just want to know why its there
[23:29] <fuze> it crashes randomly
[23:30] <valorie> fuze: what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[23:31] <bprompt> fuze:     well, you asked on how to address the plugin error, and you mentioned that plasmashell was getting crashed due to it
[23:31] <valorie> bprompt: since 15.10, the ~/.kde is only used for KDE4 applications
[23:31] <fuze> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wKAQlrRq/snapshot4.png
[23:31] <valorie> plasmashell uses ~/.local or /.config
[23:31] <bprompt> valorie:     kde apps are not useing ~/.kde/share/config   now though, they use ~/.config
[23:32] <valorie> all the ported ones, do, yes
[23:33] <fuze> is this normal: http://pastebin.com/QLp8tdeM
[23:33] <fuze> i dont even know what qpainter is
[23:35] <bprompt> fuze:    sounds like a corrupted qml or thereabouts
[23:35] <fuze> bprompt: how can i locate it
[23:36] <bprompt> fuze:   and yes, depending on how apps man handle exception errors or checks, they can crash or not
[23:36] <fuze> ok what should i do
[23:36] <bprompt> fuze:    cheap answer is, if unplugging one cable doesn't make it stop, pull out all the cables =) hehehe, back up your .kde and .config first, then try removing some  configuration files that may be choking the session
[23:37] <fuze> im really a noob and have no idea what to do
[23:37] <bprompt> fuze:    many of the apps, will simply recreate a default configuration file
[23:38] <bprompt> fuze:   so, just remove many, start off with ~/.config/   only the kde ones, leave everyone else alone there, but back it up first
[23:43] <fuze> file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.networkmanagement/contents/ui/main.qml: QML Plasmoid: Cannot anchor to an item that isn't a parent or sibling.
[23:43] <fuze> bprompt: is that normal?
[23:44] <bprompt> hehh
[23:44] <bprompt> obviously not  =)
[23:45] <fuze> what does it mean?
[23:45] <bprompt> cannot anchor to a parent, XML wise, simply means, the qml (QT markup language file), is malformed, meaning is either corruped or syntactically malformed
[23:45] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: sounds like you have missing widgets
[23:46] <bprompt> s/corruped/corrupted/
[23:46] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy: is there a command to list widgets
[23:48] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: are you running the plasma 5 desktop?
[23:48] <fuze> yes
[23:49] <DetroitBadBoy> ok... press ALT & F2 together. A bar will show up at the top of the screen
[23:49] <DetroitBadBoy> from there you type Discover
[23:49] <DetroitBadBoy> When you see the listing for discover simply click on it
[23:49] <DetroitBadBoy> when that screen opens you can click on Installed to see what is installed
[23:49] <fuze> what is that bar called?
[23:50] <fuze> krunner?
[23:50] <fuze> i have it set to alt space
[23:50] <DetroitBadBoy> yes
[23:50] <DetroitBadBoy> ok
[23:50] <DetroitBadBoy> open krunner then type Discover
[23:50] <fuze> ok i got it
[23:50] <DetroitBadBoy> click on the listing then click on installed. It will show you every widget and app that is installed on your computer
[23:51] <DetroitBadBoy> Qpainter is a widget to create graphics
[23:51] <fuze> dont see it
[23:53] <fuze> i also installed two weather widgets and when i try to uninstall them it just shows a yellow icon to undo uninstall
[23:53] <DetroitBadBoy> Well from what you posted in your last link, it seemed as if your OS was trying to grab Qpainter
[23:54] <DetroitBadBoy> I'm beginning to suspect a lot of corruption in your system
[23:54] <DetroitBadBoy> How long ago did you install kubuntu?
[23:54] <fuze> a year
[23:55] <DetroitBadBoy> Any recent drastic changes?
[23:55] <fuze> i had bad ram which was replaced
[23:55] <fuze> new video card
[23:55] <DetroitBadBoy> I hope whoever replaced it grounded themselves first heh heh
[23:55] <fuze> it was me :p
[23:55] <fuze> i did not :/
[23:56] <DetroitBadBoy> Was the machine running OK after the install of ram and the vid card?
[23:56] <fuze> yes windows now works perfectly
[23:57] <DetroitBadBoy> windows, yes.... but kubuntu... questionable heh heh
[23:57] <fuze> ok looks like the weather widgets are gone
[23:57] <DetroitBadBoy> Did you install kubuntu side by side with windows?
[23:59] <fuze> yes


[00:01] <cjwatson> xivulon: talk to the Xubuntu developers about that
[00:02] <blahblahx> cjwatson: got it
[00:02] <blahblahx> ?
[00:02] <cjwatson> blahblahx: I'm just looking up the standard to check whose problem this is before I flame Linux Mint. :-)
[00:03] <blahblahx> cjwatson: well its a mint communtiy edition made by me
[00:03] <blahblahx> cjwatson: i started with ubuntu minimal and added mint tools and gnome-core
[00:04] <cjwatson> blahblahx: Your problems will go away if you change this line:
[00:04] <cjwatson> DISTRIB_ID=Linux Mint MiniCD Edition
[00:04] <cjwatson> (/etc/lsb-release) to:
[00:04] <cjwatson> DISTRIB_ID="Linux Mint MiniCD Edition"
[00:04] <blahblahx> awesome
[00:04] <blahblahx> how did you know? just wondering
[00:04] <cjwatson> strictly speaking, I think it's a localechooser bug since lsb_release itself permits that syntax
[00:04] <blahblahx> let me try
[00:04] <xivulon> cjwatson, I did the changes as indicated but the I end up with a plain black background
[00:04] <cjwatson> I read the nearest previous error message in the log and applied deduction
[00:04] <xivulon> do you want me to run other tests
[00:05] <cjwatson> xivulon: ok, no thanks, just mention that in the bug for me
[00:05] <cjwatson> sounds like we have to run xfdesktop, but I'd really like a Xubuntu developer to do the heavy lifting there
[00:05] <cjwatson> xivulon: thanks for the testing
[00:08] <cjwatson> blahblahx: had you reported a bug?
[00:08] <cjwatson> if not, I'll do so
[00:09] <blahblahx> could you?
[00:09] <blahblahx> that would be awesome
[00:10] <xivulon> done
[00:11] <blahblahx> cjwatson: you seem to know a lot about ubuntu. do you know why the livecd wouldn't eject after shutdown?
[00:12] <cjwatson> blahblahx: I've reported bug 214861; feel free to subscribe to it
[00:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214861 in localechooser "expects to be able to source /etc/lsb-release" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214861
[00:13] <cjwatson> blahblahx: what version of casper does your image use?
[00:13] <blahblahx> cjwatson: uhh let me check
[00:17] <blahblahx> cjwatson: 1.110
[00:18] <TheMuso> blahblahx: Coming in late to this discussion, but if this is hardy, there is 1.128 available.
[00:18] <cjwatson> blahblahx: hmm, I'm afraid I don't know, then; we have had eject problems in the past but I thought they were fixed by Ubuntu 7.10, i.e. casper 1.110
[00:18] <TheMuso> ah right
[00:18] <cjwatson> he seems to be working on an indirect 7.10 derivative
[00:18] <blahblahx> cjwatson: well the other editions of linux mint and ubuntu don't have this problem with the same casper i think
[00:19] <TheMuso> 5~Right.
[00:19] <cjwatson> I'd start by comparing your disk to some other similar one that does work, then. :-)
[00:20] <cjwatson> and binary-chop your way through the changes, if possible
[00:20] <blahblahx> thanks
[00:30] <CIA-1> localechooser: cjwatson * r130 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog localechooser): * Don't assume that /etc/lsb-release is valid shell (LP: #214861).
[00:36] <CIA-1> localechooser: cjwatson * r131 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.42ubuntu5
[00:38] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r494 casper/ (COPYING debian/changelog): * Add COPYING file with GPL text (LP: #211923).
[01:30] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r495 casper/ (bin/casper-uuid debian/casper.install debian/changelog):
[01:30] <CIA-1> casper: * Add casper-uuid script to simplify UUID regeneration process,
[01:30] <CIA-1> casper:  contributed by Mario Limonciello of Dell (LP: #209847).
[01:33] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r496 casper/bin/casper-uuid: fix case where the current directory has >1 casper-uuid-* files
[01:35] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r497 casper/debian/copyright: update copyright
[01:36] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r498 casper/ (bin/casper-new-uuid debian/casper.install debian/changelog): hmm, let's make that be casper-new-uuid
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r499 casper/ (bin/casper-snapshot debian/changelog debian/control):
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper: * Update casper-snapshot for genext2fs --reserved-blocks =>
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper:  --reserved-percentage option change (LP: #202048). Add a Breaks as the
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper:  most lightweight available method of documenting that we need genext2fs
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper:  >= 1.4.1 for this.
[01:46] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r500 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.129
[06:26] <TheMuso> evand: Hrm not by default for that grub a11y bug, it would annoy people.
[06:26] <TheMuso> Anyway, tis for intrepid.
[08:46] <evand> TheMuso: indeed, I was just triaging it, not agreeing with it :)
[09:11] <TheMuso> evand: Yeah I know.
[09:15] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2623 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2624 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: debian-installer-utils
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  1.50ubuntu3, localechooser 1.42ubuntu5, partman-basicfilesystems
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  56ubuntu4.
[09:32] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2625 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.8.3
[09:33] <evand> I released 1.8.3 before I committed my changes as they require a freeze exception, and I'd rather not tie up other changes while waiting for the result of that.
[09:34] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2626 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.8.4
[09:37] <saispo> hi all
[09:38] <saispo> cjwatson: i try the latest germinate and i got some errors with ubuntu-cd and cdimage
[09:40] <saispo> i revert to 0.43 and no problem
[10:27] <xivulon> evand, on linux.com there was a good tip: it would be nice if M-A could symlink My Documents to the user home folder
[10:28] <xivulon> I know... a bit too late...
[10:29] <xivulon> s/to the user home folder/into the user home folder/
[10:41] <xivulon> might be worth FFE though, it's a simple change that should not have many side effects, and can improve the experience of many windows users.
[11:01] <xivulon> ah but then you might not have write permissions...
[11:23] <xivulon> can we speed up ISO with ubiquity 1.8.3? getting hammered here...
[15:41] <xivulon> cywatson, evand please see cking comments on #204133
[15:41] <xivulon> changes to initramfs mount and lupin-support should be ok
[15:41] <xivulon> but I am more scared by last comment
[15:42] <xivulon> cjwatson^
[15:43] <evand> indeed, making the change now (0, 40, 4, 4, respectively).
[15:43] <evand> xivulon: cjwatson is off for the day.
[15:43] <xivulon> bad time...
[15:44] <xivulon> last comment is an issue
[15:44] <xivulon> Make sure the ext loopback file systems are umounted before the NTFS filesystems.
[15:44] <xivulon> Colin
[15:44] <xivulon> the loopback file system is / so we can at most make it read-only not unmount...
[15:44] <evand> ah, needed to refresh
[15:45] <xivulon> we also need mount -o loop,sync,dirsync,commit=1 in initramfs local script
[15:48] <evand> ok
[15:48] <evand> that last comment is pretty scary, though I'm not sure how that could be happening.
[15:52] <xivulon> well we do not really umount /
[15:52] <xivulon> we only remount it r/o
[15:52] <xivulon> and we do not remount r/o the host fs at all (see szaka comments)
[15:53] <evand> ah, argh.
[16:01] <xivulon> evand see my last comment
[16:06] <evand> ok
[16:10] <xivulon> would the shutdown sequence of ubiquity be any different of a normal shutdown? I'd think that the same sysvinit scripts are used
[16:14] <xivulon> evand am discussing on #ubuntu-kernel
[16:16] <evand> they're the same as far as wubi is concerned, aiui.
[16:19] <xivulon> lamont asked me to test 206113, I can do that tonight, might be good if you could do that too
[17:26] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2636 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Adjust fix for file close slightly.
[20:10] <mario_limonciell> evand, would you be able to do another DVD image w/ this latest ubiquity (1.8.3) since noninteractive was broke in the last one?
[20:12] <evand> mario_limonciell: surely
[20:12] <mario_limonciell> thanks
[20:13] <xivulon> and a CD once you are at it :P
[20:16] <evand> heh
[20:27] <mario_limonciell> the CD wasn't included in the daily?
[20:31] <evand> there are additional changes needed for wubi to fix some serious bugs
[20:33] <mario_limonciell> ah
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2639 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * kde_ui:
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Removed partman/check.d/12system_partitions_formatted. A modified version
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  now lives in partman-target.
[20:50] <CIA-1> partman-target: evand * r715 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[20:50] <CIA-1> partman-target: * Added 12partitions_formatted, which will warn the user if
[20:50] <CIA-1> partman-target:  clear_partitions is going to delete any files (LP: #196972).
[21:00] <evand> mario_limonciell: should be up
[21:07] <mario_limonciell> whew that was a bit quick
[21:08] <mario_limonciell> sigh.
[21:08] <mario_limonciell> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080410/hardy-dvd-i386.manifest: "ubiquity 1.8.2"
[21:08] <evand> argh!
[21:08]  * evand kicks cdimage, breaks foot.
[21:09] <mario_limonciell> most likely:   "language-support-writing-en: Depends: openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us but it is not installable"
[21:09] <mario_limonciell> in the livefs buildlog
[21:09] <mario_limonciell> how do these languages keep getting so broke from one day to the next..
[21:09] <evand> indeed
[21:10] <evand> welcome to the wonderful world of livefs building.  And this is when we're in freeze!
[21:12] <mario_limonciell> should language package management folks be poked you suppose?
[21:13] <evand> indeed, I believe the language support packages are pitti, though they might be arne now.
[21:17] <mario_limonciell> hmm pitti is here.  maybe i should just go bug him in person then :)
[21:19] <evand> lol
[21:19] <evand> not a bad idea by any means
[21:32] <xivulon> evand, bug 204133 point 4 of cking comment
[21:32] <xivulon> mount -o loop,sync,dirsync,commit=1
[21:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133
[21:33] <xivulon> now do we want to have sync & co on the hosting file system or in the hosted one? or is it the same the same thing?
[21:33] <xivulon> in the sense that sync operations in a nested fs also apply to the host
[21:33] <xivulon> I'd think that the host is far more important
[21:34] <evand> I imagine the former, but probably best to clarify with cking.
[21:34] <xivulon> yeah but he is not around...
[21:34] <xivulon> kill ask on #kernel devel
[21:35] <evand> yeah, I'm sure rtg and Ben are still around
[21:35] <evand> (US Central)
[21:36] <mario_limonciell> rtg is probably offline though right now
[21:37] <evand> Meeting?
[21:37] <mario_limonciell> he has been about
[21:37] <mario_limonciell> but machine went dead
[21:39] <evand> ouch
[21:40] <mario_limonciell> maybe he found power now.  dunno :)
[21:50] <xivulon> evand, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6716/
[21:50] <xivulon> using my interpretation ;)
[21:50] <xivulon> as in last comment
[21:56] <evand> looks ok, but I'd like to get confirmation that this is what cking is suggesting.  We're in FinalFreeze now, so it's not super urgent that it happens within the next few hours as we'll need to demonstrate all the changes to slangasek and the release team anyway.
[22:00] <xivulon> of course
[22:00] <xivulon> do you happen to know a way to read /proc/mounts in reverse order in bash
[22:02] <evand> sort -r?
[22:02] <evand> err no
[22:02] <xivulon> hm not necessarily sorted, just inverted
[22:02] <evand> indeed
[22:02] <evand> hrm
[22:04] <mario_limonciell> evand, pitti said that arne is handling languages at this point, but he wasn't aware that english was broke until i showed him
[22:04] <mario_limonciell> arne goes by ArneGoetje in -devel?
[22:05] <evand> mario_limonciell: ja
[22:06] <mario_limonciell> hmm j is halfway between y and n, so i'm inclined to think you ment 'ya' :)
[22:07] <evand> xivulon: tac
[22:07] <xivulon> arg is in /usr/bin
[22:08] <evand> mario_limonciell: http://odge.info/german-english/ja.html :)
[22:08] <mario_limonciell> ah :)
[22:08] <xivulon> guess will have to use a loop
[22:08] <evand> it and bitte are about the extent of my knowledge.
[22:09] <evand> err, danke, but obviously.
[22:12] <evand> xivulon: evan@candy:~$ cat /proc/mounts | sed '1!G;h;$!d'
[22:35] <xivulon> great thanks
[22:39] <joshk> http://sial.org/howto/shell/useless-cat/
[22:42] <evand> indeed, tis a bad habit of mine
[22:51] <xivulon> evand preliminary version of umountroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6724/
[22:55] <TheMuso> Greetings. I've been meaning to do some wubi testing lately, but have had other thigns get in the way. Anything I can help with?
[22:59] <xivulon> oh yes :)
[22:59] <xivulon> we have to test a new initramfs and a new umountroot
[23:01] <xivulon> for initramfs see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6716/
[23:01] <xivulon> for umountroot (probably broken haven tested at all)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6724/
[23:02] <xivulon> also need to test lamont patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/206113
[23:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206113 in util-linux "Wubi install cannot create swap space (8.04 Beta) [Regression from alpha 6]" [Undecided,New]
[23:03] <xivulon> and my virtualbox is broken :(
[23:10] <TheMuso> Why are the initramfs changes needed?
[23:11] <TheMuso> xivulon: Ok I'll get the latest daily synced, and have a look.
[23:12] <xivulon> TheMuso: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/204133
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,In progress]
[23:12] <xivulon> see last comments from Colin King
[23:12] <TheMuso> ok