[00:08] <claydoh> Omg quasseldroid is nice
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: quasseldroid?
[01:48] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: yeah!!
[01:48] <claydoh> I have a core, and I can connect to it from my phone
[02:11] <ScottK> claydoh: I think having a good tutorial on how to move your data aside and then import it into kmail2 would be a really excellent thing.  Could you work on that?
[02:11] <ScottK> Wow.  claydoh's getting all fancy and stuff.
[02:11] <ScottK> ++ for quasseldroid though.
[02:12] <claydoh> ScottK: yes, that is why I m collecting problems/issues on it, I have seen many in my trials
[02:12] <ScottK> Excellent.
[02:12] <ScottK> We also need bugs filed upstream too ..
[02:12] <claydoh> ScottK: so how to back up is easier up front
[02:13] <claydoh> ScottK: I have not collected, that, but there are a few already
[02:14] <claydoh> b.k.o has quite a few that is, I have not rounded the relevent ones
[02:14] <claydoh> ScottK: i figured since amazon is paying me 50$ for a reasobaly high-end phone, i should use the heck out of it :)
[02:24] <valorie> claydoh: they are paying YOU?
[02:27] <claydoh> valorie: 50% amazon  gift card!?! on most adnroid phone, offer ened monday
[02:27] <claydoh> s/50$/50%
[02:27] <claydoh> errr
[02:28] <valorie> ah
[02:28] <valorie> well, my phone is only 6 months old or so anyway.....
[02:29] <valorie> I tend to use them for a few years
[02:31] <claydoh> its my first phone, I am addicted to it already, had it 2 days, already want to root it lol
[02:32] <valorie> what did you get?
[02:32]  * valorie has the htc Thunderbolt/verizon
[02:32] <jjesse_> i'm debating droid bionic or waiting for droid hd
[02:34] <claydoh> valorie: I chose the droid charge over the tbolt (verizon) the amoled screen is quite visible outdoors in the sun, the cameras and cpu are mostly identical
[02:34] <valorie> I should have left verizon, since the reason I bought this was because it's a "world" phone
[02:34] <valorie> was supposed to work in Europe
[02:34] <valorie> and it didn't
[02:34] <claydoh> my phone was free, plus the 50 bucks made me jump on it
[02:34] <valorie> nice
[02:41] <claydoh> Lol being able to chat on irc while walking to the store is awesome !!
[02:42] <claydoh> Being able to chat in irc while walking to the store is awesome!!
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> I have the galaxy s
[02:59] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, from upstream or our patch set?
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: We had patched it to use QApt in our large uber-patch, but the whole uber-patch was dropped when the packagekit version went upstream
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> I've uploaded a fix
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse_: ping
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> guess not
[03:27] <rbelem> thx JontheEchidna :-)
[07:21] <Mamarok> ryanakca: what would you need exactly? Different size?
[08:21] <bulldog98> yofel: added a review to FFE
[09:25] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Look closely, it's a Windows 7 screenshot :)
[09:27] <didrocks> ScottK: sorry, still another Qt upload coming, seems dx can't work coordinated…
[09:34] <agateau> ryanakca: just crop the taskbar and window titlebar away :)
[09:59] <debfx> didrocks: you like to keep the arm builders busy? ;)
[10:00] <didrocks> debfx: I'm not the real fan of it in fact :)
[10:01] <didrocks> debfx: pitti downgraded the old armel build :)
[10:01] <ScottK> didrocks: What's the upload?
[10:01] <didrocks> ScottK: fixing a crash in qml
[10:01] <ScottK> Ah.  Well, fixing crashes is good.
[10:03] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, multiple uploads isn't though :/
[10:05] <bambee> morning
[11:30] <keffie-jayx> hello, just wanted to check, every time I start or resume my wireless network it asks for the passphrase
[11:30] <keffie-jayx> is this a known issue
[11:30] <keffie-jayx> ?
[11:30] <keffie-jayx> this is on Oneiric Beta 2 with all updates up until toda
[11:32] <keffie-jayx> also alt f2 does not bring out quicksand does not pop out
[11:36] <keffie-jayx> never tried to run krunner by itself and I do not know if it makes sense at all
[11:44] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks for taking care of getting the printer-applet fix upstream.
[11:45] <ScottK> keffie-jayx: I don't have that problem (wireless)
[11:45] <ScottK> keffie-jayx: Are you on plasma-desktop or plasma-netbook?
[11:45] <keffie-jayx> ScottK: netbook
[11:45] <keffie-jayx> should it make a difference though?
[11:45] <ScottK> Instead of alt-f2 use the runner in search and launch.
[11:46] <bulldog98> keffie-jayx: do you have a systemconnection setup or a userconnection?
[11:46] <ScottK> I have a vague recollection we changed it not to have the regular runner working with netbook because there were some issues.
[11:46] <bulldog98> systemconnection works for me
[11:46] <ScottK> bulldog98: I have user connection and it's fine too.
[11:46] <keffie-jayx> ScottK: I have to navigate away from my curren window
[11:46] <bulldog98> ScottK: yeah that’s right
[11:46] <ScottK> keffie-jayx: That's a good point.
[11:47] <keffie-jayx> bulldog98: I have tried setting both
[11:47] <bulldog98> hm
[11:47] <keffie-jayx> ScottK: I can agree that Quicksand was buggy
[11:47] <ScottK> I'm not a big krunner user, so I haven't paid much attention to this point.
[11:47] <keffie-jayx> and probably not used by many
[11:47] <bulldog98> system should always work even if no kwallet is installed, since it saves the passes in a file
[11:47] <keffie-jayx> but If bad came to worse the thing wouldn't kill the plasma-desktop
[11:48] <bulldog98> keffie-jayx: me uses it :)
[11:48] <bulldog98> that’s one reason why I switched back to desktop on my netbook
[11:59] <keffie-jayx> Well I just wanted to know if it was a bug, now I know
[11:59] <keffie-jayx> about wireless I will download a dayly build adn try there
[11:59] <keffie-jayx> thanks
[12:10] <bulldog98> didrocks: since when are you a legend? I thought only apachelogger would be our super hero (http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/29/didrocks-is-a-legend/)
[12:12] <didrocks> bulldog98: heh, I start to collect achievements, after my name being associated to chuck norris' photo on a previous jono's post :)
[12:13] <bulldog98> didrocks: can you count to infinity? No then you are not cuck norris :P
[12:14] <didrocks> bulldog98: I heard about some american book with all those silly quotes, I think I would need to buy one :-)
[12:14] <bulldog98> didrocks: the easiest way is to make up some :)
[12:15] <didrocks> bulldog98: heh, indeed :)
[12:15] <bulldog98> didrocks: btw is the a #chuck channel?
[12:16] <didrocks> probably :)
[12:45] <rbelem> apachelogger, plasma active code free on 03/10 \o/
[12:51] <apachelogger> rbelem: I do not understand
[12:51] <apachelogger> rbelem: still no UI for UDS? :P
[12:51]  * apachelogger made a fancy new icon
[12:51]  * apachelogger then realized that the fancy new icon is a bit rubbish and might have to redo it :S
[12:52] <apachelogger> didrocks: clearly jono is abusing kubuntu dev titles there
[12:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, not yet :-( the designers are really busy with other stuff, so they had to postpone a little :'(
[12:52] <apachelogger> kk
[12:52]  * apachelogger can't wait :D
[12:52] <didrocks> apachelogger: is there a pattern? what to sue him? I heared it's the way it's dealt now :p
[12:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, they were doing something similar to guidebook
[12:53] <apachelogger> didrocks: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development#Career-2
[12:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, but more beautiful :-)
[12:53] <apachelogger> rbelem: which is similar to what the UDS app is ^^
[12:53] <apachelogger> actually I was toying with the idea of making the app more generic, good to know that I do not need to do that ^^
[12:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, but with some more features and nice design
[12:54] <apachelogger> guidebook is rubbish anyway
[12:54] <apachelogger> anyhow
[12:54] <apachelogger> checkout
[12:56] <ScottK> didrocks: Does the patch in this latest upload have any upstream review?
[12:56] <ScottK> Mabye fabo could have a quick look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/81424642/qt4-x11_4%3A4.7.4-0ubuntu6_4%3A4.7.4-0ubuntu7.diff.gz ?
[12:58] <didrocks> ScottK: yes, it was done in collaboration with upstream (slightly different for Qt 4.8) and the upstream bug report just had a status changed
[14:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: does the address bar drop down suggestions work in that new rekonq?
[14:42] <yofel> Riddell: this? http://i.imgur.com/2yfiv.png
[14:44] <Riddell> yofel: that's the one
[14:44] <yofel> k, this is running 0.7.90
[14:44] <Riddell> are you running some sort of Plasma Unity theme?
[14:45] <yofel> huh? nope, just reorganised the panels, and using the Produkt theme
[14:45] <yofel> the default task manager only shows icons when used vertically
[14:45] <yofel> (and the panel isn't wide enough for text)
[15:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can we make the Akonadi Server Configuration KCM appear in system settings?
[15:20] <ScottK> Need it for a bug workaround.
[15:25] <ScottK> claydoh: Bug #862483  is another one for your "pile of kdepim woes" collection.
[15:35] <ScottK> Riddell: re your mail on FOSDEM - To which continent are you leaving?
[15:35] <cyphermox> allee: ping.
[15:36] <allee> Where's the code of the pkg  networkmanagement ?   Did find it in ~kubuntu-packagers bzr repos?
[15:36] <Riddell> ScottK: none really, sunny Guadeloupe
[15:36] <allee> cyphermox: pong
[15:37] <cyphermox> allee: essentially the change is just making sure "dh" gets added to the dh key value instead of just the number.
[15:37] <ScottK> Ah.  Nice.
[15:37] <ScottK> What time zone is that in?
[15:39] <allee> cyphermox: ok.  I try to fix it.  I'll contact you when there progress
[15:40] <cyphermox> allee: sure, but I can't merge to that package, you'll need to ask someone here :)
[15:40] <cyphermox> it's three or four lines fix, really straightforward IIRC
[15:40] <allee> cyphermox: have you a patch already?
[15:40] <cyphermox> allee: I did, but I can't find the code anymore
[15:41] <allee> cyphermox: okay.
[15:43] <allee> ScottK: vpnc bug: where the networkmanagement bzr repo?  showsrc only mentions the debian git repo
[15:43] <yofel> allee: apt-get source networkmanagement - there's no branch
[15:43] <ScottK> Dunno.  There may not be one.
[15:43] <allee> yofel: okay thx
[15:44] <yofel> well, lp:ubuntu/oneiric/networkmanagement would work I guess for getting the full package with full history
[15:44] <yofel> hm, nope
[15:45] <yofel> correction, it works, I had a typo
[15:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: You can email the person and tell them its been fixed, should you so wish.
[15:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: which has?
[15:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: ah, amarok, did you just crop it? :)
[15:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: aye.
[15:50] <Riddell> sneaky :)
[15:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: how's the new wiki theme doing?
[15:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can prod the sysadmins some more, nothings appeared on the RT since they moved it to the General queue, but I was told they would consider it release critical
[15:52] <Riddell> ah, waiting on sysadmins :(
[15:52] <Riddell> I do dislike RT as a tool
[15:53]  * yofel still waits for jelmer's RT about new bzr + bzr-builder versions on the buildds to be done...
[15:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: See https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=17880
[15:55] <ScottK> yofel: You need to convince Riddell to do a rotation in IS.
[15:55] <Riddell> :)
[15:56] <yofel> in half a year maybe, we need him back for a while first :P
[15:56] <Riddell> ooh, you still want me?
[15:57] <maco> did i walk in at a funny time?
[15:58] <yofel> maco: we're making Riddell feel needed here ;)
[16:00] <Riddell> I'm looking forward to coming back
[16:00] <Riddell> but my goal for the next cycle is to learn French, so I'll only be speaking en Francais, hope that's ok with everyone :)
[16:00] <maco> Riddell: you and aurelien have fun then
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: fine with me
[16:01] <allee> cyphermox:  replace "n" -> "ndh"  or "n" -> "dhn"  with n out of  1 2 5  ?
[16:01] <cyphermox> allee: dhn
[16:01] <allee> cyphermox: ok.  patching ...
[16:01] <Riddell> agateau: although I don't think I'll ever get into using an azerty keyboard!
[16:03] <cyphermox> allee: something close to this, though it's not tested: http://paste.ubuntu.com/699180/
[16:04]  * bambee proposes wine, cookies and chocolate to the one who will upload kde-workspace-4.7.1-0ubuntu5 into archives
[16:05] <allee> cyphermox: ah, thx.  I've had noticed yet the need for the first hunk
[16:05]  * allee will test
[16:06] <jussi> cyphermox: was it you I was talking to about my 3G modem having issues last UDS? (I doubt you remember, but still, I can but ask)
[16:06] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:06] <cyphermox> allee: also note, it seems to probably have been fixed upstream in a slightly different way: Git commit 8894d0de848c4bad7ae689eba62e3f34089b6510 by Lukas Tinkl
[16:06] <jussi> cyphermox: did anything come of that? can I look forward to my modem working in oneiric?
[16:07] <ScottK> bambee: I'll look at it.  I'll want whisky instead of wine though.
[16:07] <allee> cyphermox: was checking upstream already, but you're alway a sec faster  :)
[16:07] <cyphermox> jussi: I don't recall which modem it was, but I think it might be working. best is to try it on a livecd :)
[16:07] <ScottK> bambee: ubuntu4 or ubuntu5?
[16:07] <ScottK> I just did bzr pull and got ubuntu4.
[16:07] <cyphermox> allee: that might not be exactly the right commit, but if you look somewhere in June 2011
[16:08] <bambee> ScottK: oh, ubuntu4 yes
[16:08] <bambee> (the last one found in lp:~kubuntu-packagers)
[16:10] <jussi> cyphermox:  twas a gobi2000 - weird thing. but Ill give a livecd a go.
[16:10] <ScottK> Got it.
[16:11] <cyphermox> jussi: oh, right. gobi devices are hit and miss, but I've pushed some fixes that might help
[16:12] <cyphermox> jussi: you'll still need to have the closed-source firmware files (2 of them IIRC) they need to work, and I can't provide those
[16:18] <maco2> my quassel is broken :(
[16:32] <allee> cyphermox: I'm lost in git (git newbee).  Could find the commit.    Can you cherrypick the patch or should be go with your variant?       From scanning git log I wonder if there are more fixes worth picking.  We miss more than 3 month of bug fixes
[16:32] <allee> * could not find
[16:34] <ScottK> bambee: Can you help allee do that cherrypick?
[16:34] <ScottK> I uploaded workspace.
[16:36] <bambee> ScottK: sure
[16:36] <bambee> ScottK: thanks!
[16:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:36] <ScottK> allee: ^^ bambee to the rescue.
[16:36] <allee> bambee: you are my hero!!
[16:37] <allee> bambee, ScottK, cyphermox: when you ever visit the Octoberfest I'll spend you a Mass Bier !!
[16:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: see the last few lines in canonical-sysadmins re: the wiki theme
[16:41] <bambee> allee: well, so you want to cherrypick a patch from upstream to plasma-widget-networkmanagement, right ?
[16:43] <allee> bambee: yes, vpnc is not working in oneiric.  cyphermox has a untested patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/699180/ and later mentioned that upstream solved it differently
[16:43] <allee> bambee: <cyphermox> allee: also note, it seems to probably have been fixed upstream in a slightly different way: Git commit 8894d0de848c4bad7ae689eba62e3f34089b6510 by Lukas Tinkl
[16:43] <cyphermox> well, differently is a big word, it's very similar
[16:43] <cyphermox> that link is wrong btw :)
[16:44] <Daskreech> valorie: hullo/
[16:44] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commit&h=8894d0de848c4bad7ae689eba62e3f34089b6510  <-- so this one
[16:44] <cyphermox> bambee: correct, there should be a fix for the DHGroup key passed to vpnc in plasma-widget-networkmanagement; afaics the commit I was referring to was just a little later than our snapshot
[16:44] <allee> bambee: I did scan git log of networkmanagement.git and notices that there are some changes that might be worth picking too.  (e.g.  vpnc export does also not work at the moment)
[16:46] <allee> bambee: there must be an earlier patch,  because there's already 'dh2' where our version has still '2'.    n -> dhn is the fix
[16:46] <cyphermox> right
[16:49] <bambee> arrff quickgit.k.o is slow v_v
[16:49] <Riddell> Guest91840: maco you are more than a guest here
[16:50] <bambee> looking
[16:52] <bambee> cyphermox: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commitdiff&h=5e19d5bbd46ce19f32b8a038fa5121932e905732
[16:52] <bambee> (DHGroup key passed to vpnc)
[16:55] <bulldog98> qtwebkit 2.2 released
[16:56] <allee> bambee: yes that's a variant of cyphermox patch at http://paste.ubuntu.com/699180/
[16:56] <bambee> this is the next one after our snapshot
[16:58] <allee> bambee: sometimes you guys are too fast :)
[16:59] <allee> bambee: I will test this patch here. Will you have a look at git log for other 'important and save' fixes
[17:00] <bambee> looking
[17:01] <bambee> allee: please test http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commit&h=8894d0de848c4bad7ae689eba62e3f34089b6510   AND http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commit&h=5e19d5bbd46ce19f32b8a038fa5121932e905732
[17:03] <Guest91840> wrong command!
[17:04] <Guest91840> hrmph nicksrv says my nick is unavailable
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Guest91840: release your nick with /msg nickserv release maco
[17:05] <shadeslayer> should work then
[17:07] <maco> yay!
[17:07] <maco> thanks shadeslayer
[17:07] <bambee> this one would be interesting http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commitdiff&h=785023bf778b7cabbb482cac74b20896a07cb82f
[17:07] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:08] <maco> ScottK: i think it means Riddell will be living in our timezone
[17:08] <ScottK> I wasn't sure if it was this one or one to the east.
[17:08] <maco> i thought one to the east was only in canada
[17:09] <ScottK> Dunno.  Who keeps track of islands in the Carribean.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> A Cartographer :P
[17:12] <shadeslayer> any packaging stuff that needs looking into
[17:12] <shadeslayer> +?
[17:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: scan KDE git/svn for important stuff to cherrypick.
[17:17] <shadeslayer> alright
[17:21] <bambee> why is there no release for networkmanagement? tags might help
[17:23] <shadeslayer> well, kdepimlibs has a ton of bug fixes i think
[17:27] <allee> shadeslayer: according the changelog ScottK sync changes until 28-Sep already
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ah alright, i was just browsing stuff
[17:32] <allee> shadeslayer: how about krandrtray and it kcm module?   Hope dies last ;)
[17:33] <shadeslayer> allee: alright, i'll have a look at those
[17:35] <shadeslayer> allee: akonadi needs a new upload as well, i see 6 bug fixing commits after the last tag
[17:40] <allee> shadeslayer: akonadi fixes are also very here!! :)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> allee: i'm not sure i understand that statement :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> are you working on those?
[17:42] <allee> shadeslayer: a) add 'welcome' to my last statement  b)  I don't work on them.  I've two users that are driven crazy  by akonadi
[17:42] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:43] <shadeslayer> git log --grep tells me the last krandrtray fix was in May, so i think we can leave that out
[17:44] <allee> cyphermox, bambee:  vpnc works again  (I could connect to work)  .  but in syslog vpnc complains error writing /var/run/vpnc/pid   and in fact /var/run/vpnc did not exist  (installed vpnc pkg a sec ago on this system)
[17:44] <shadeslayer> aha, but it misses out on other stuff
[17:45] <allee> cyphermox: I've to leave now.   I test from home once more and send you then the debdiff (I assume late tonight or tomorrow)
[17:45] <allee> bye and thx!
[17:45] <cyphermox> that might be an issue
[17:45] <cyphermox> can you send us what you have now?
[17:46] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commit&h=8894d0de848c4bad7ae689eba62e3f34089b6510   AND http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commit&h=5e19d5bbd46ce19f32b8a038fa5121932e905732
[17:46] <bambee> I guess
[17:46] <cyphermox> (because late tongiht might mean different things to different people, and final freeze is in 3 hours or so)
[17:46] <bambee> allee: could you cherrypick this one too http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=networkmanagement.git&a=commitdiff&h=785023bf778b7cabbb482cac74b20896a07cb82f ?
[17:47] <bambee> in 3 hours... mhh does not help :\
[17:47]  * debfx notes that we have disabled all nm applet notifications by default
[17:48] <ScottK> All?
[17:48] <bambee> allee: that's too late if you test these patches late tonight
[17:48] <ScottK> bambee: I'll approve it for tomorrow.
[17:48] <ScottK> I'd rather have it tested than just toss it in.
[17:48] <bambee> if it's possible, ok then
[17:49] <shadeslayer> rev 2b65cfd343a0d6b54c19e3df9ab54fe7012c2e70 in kde workspace as well
[17:49] <shadeslayer> ^ ubottu needs to be ported to use git :P
[17:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I just uploaded -workspace.
[17:49] <ScottK> Is there even more?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: workspace from git?
[17:50] <ScottK> patches
[17:50] <shadeslayer> i have a patch dated 5 hours ago
[17:50] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/2b65cfd343a0d6b54c19e3df9ab54fe7012c2e70/diff
[17:50] <ScottK> bambee: ^^^
[17:50] <shadeslayer> incorrectly renders rotated screens
[17:51] <shadeslayer> rather .. fixes incorrectly rendered rotated screens ..
[17:51] <bambee> ScottK: I uploaded kde-workspace-4.7.1-0ubuntu4 three or four days ago... ^^
[17:51] <ScottK> OK.
[17:51] <bambee> this one was not commited yet
[17:51] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at what's in ubuntu4 and push additional changes you think are worth it to bzr.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:52] <ScottK> Same with akonadi.
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yeah, i'm doing akonadi first
[17:54] <bambee> shadeslayer: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=d30fa6576204874f67ef1d4787448898789f8d20  + http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=5a902ef7fb248fb156a23adaab7a32162d538378 ?
[17:54] <bambee> (since you bump kde-workspace, you can cherrypick these patches too...)
[17:55] <shadeslayer> bambee: i haven't gone through the entire thing yet, but allee mentioned krandrtray so i was looking for those first
[17:55] <bambee> np
[17:56] <bambee> that was just a suggestion :)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yep, i'll probably look at workspace tomorrow after my visa interview, I'm doing akonadi tonight
[20:00] <apachelogger> well then
[20:00] <apachelogger> hello
[20:00] <ulysses> hellllllo
[20:03] <ari-tczew> hello
[20:03] <ari-tczew> have you got oneiric up to dated?
[20:05]  * ulysses still uses Natty
[20:06]  * yofel has up-to-date oneiric
[20:07] <ari-tczew> yofel: can you check whether software based on gtk works already? e.g. nvidia-settings, firefox
[20:07] <yofel> firefox works fine for me, what was the problem with gtk?
[20:08] <ari-tczew> nvidia-settings: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: undefined symbol: gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored
[20:08] <yofel> works fine here (amd64)
[20:08] <ari-tczew>  /usr/lib/firefox-7.0.1/firefox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: undefined symbol: gdk_error_trap_pop_ignored
[20:11] <ScottK> maco: Did your certificate expire?
[20:13] <maco> ScottK: my ssl cert for quassel? yes
[20:13] <maco> i generated a new one today
[20:14] <ScottK> I see you're on your regular nic.  Did you get it fixed?
[20:15] <ari-tczew> yofel: are you still affected by bug 846027 ?
[20:16] <yofel> last time I tried it it was still there, give me a minute to restart the session
[20:17] <yofel> yep still there
[20:17] <yofel> and...
[20:18] <yofel> I lost all my activities???
[20:18] <apachelogger> mac os x lion has activities
[20:18] <ari-tczew> yofel: could you comment something on this bug?
[20:19] <yofel> oh great, knotify doesn't work either
[20:19] <yofel> I'm getting notify-osd like gtk1 theme notifications
[20:19] <yofel> fun
[20:20] <yofel> ari-tczew: great, *now* I'm getting your symbol lookup error
[20:21] <ari-tczew> yofel: bug 862553
[20:22] <yofel> NOW I'm glad we have rekonq
[20:23] <yofel> ari-tczew: do you know if there's an upstream report for bug 846027?
[20:27] <yofel> this sounds somewhat familiar...
[20:27] <yofel>  KActivityManager::self: Activity: Couldn't start kactivitymanagerd:  "Could not find service 'kactivitymanagerd.desktop'."
[20:28] <yofel> oh, I had the kubuntu-active PPA on
[20:28] <ari-tczew> yofel: not yet figured out upstream bug
[20:28] <ari-tczew> yofel: IMO is it plasma bug, what do you think?
[20:29] <yofel> k, lemme get a somehow working desktop back and I'll look at it
[20:30] <ari-tczew> everytime when I want to shutdown my Kubuntu, I get a plasma crash. yofel, do you have it as well?
[20:30] <ari-tczew> and then desktop is restarted - including wrong behavior of 2nd panel
[20:30] <yofel> I think I got one in natty once at shutdown, didn't have time to debug it though
[20:31] <yofel> I don't get any in oneiric
[20:31] <ari-tczew> hmm, idd
[20:31] <ari-tczew> odd *
[20:32] <yofel> well, let's see if the patches from workspace ubuntu4 help in any way
[20:37] <yofel> yay, desktop regained
[20:46] <ari-tczew> do you mean regained - related to bug in libcanberra?
[20:46] <ari-tczew> yofel: ^
[20:47] <yofel> both my libcanberra error (downgraded), and activities (purge kubuntu-active ppa)
[21:01] <maco> ScottK: yes
[21:01] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[21:02] <maco> i apparently needed to reboot after adding the new certificate because quassel got rather wedged on its ports after i kept retrying to connect
[21:02] <maco> and then it still wasnt working...so i kill -9'd it and manually started it on the command line
[21:02] <maco> with LogLevel=Debug and the debugging flag...and then it worked
[21:02] <maco> *shrug* may have tried to start before the network?
[21:02] <ScottK> There's a typo in the init that debfx fixed for oneric that may be to blame too.
[21:03] <maco> my server's on hardy
[21:03] <maco> no not hardy
[21:03] <maco> lucid
[21:03] <maco> that one
[21:03] <maco> with the lts and stuff
[21:03] <ScottK> I think the typo goes back that far.
[21:03] <ScottK> You should upstartify quassel-core for us.
[21:03] <maco> dude, have you *seen* that init script? *shudder*
[21:05]  * apachelogger wrote that script!!!!!
[21:05] <apachelogger> don't mock me scripting skillz
[21:08] <maco> hi hi hi so
[21:08] <maco> i have a friend. she does a little python and uses kubuntu.
[21:08] <maco> i know canonical <3 python, but thats mostly on ubuntu right?  does anything pythony happen in kde or kubuntu other than me going "i like pykde!" ?
[21:10] <ScottK> You could conn her into doing the Ubiquity accessibility work you blew off this cycle.
[21:11] <ScottK> There's unfinished work on the printer-applet that's technically upstream work, but comes from Kubuntu.
[21:12] <ScottK> The latter is a matter of resyncronizing the code that's borrowed from the Gnome one, triaging bugs, and working on fixing the ones that are left.
[21:45] <maco> ScottK: ...i did a bad job of bugging luke into teaching me how casper works
[21:45] <maco> (i'm pretty sure casper's not python)
[21:49] <maco> ScottK: why is the release 2 weeks early, btw?
[21:49] <maco> i jaw-dropped at kate a couple days ago about today being final freeze
[22:40] <yofel> JontheEchidna: how about letting muon try to run dpkg --configure -a by itself? Most users won't know that they might need to run it, and it usually doesn't break anything either
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> I could probably make it so that if dpkg fails during an install it would try to run it. Might be a bit hacky, though.
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> iirc synaptic does something similar, with a //HACK: comment right above it :P
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> I'll take a look at it
[22:46] <yofel> yeah, I remember synaptic trying to recover by itself


[03:47] <kbrooks> Seveas, any meeting on yet?
[03:47] <Seveas> kbrooks, if there were a meeting, it would be in the topic
[03:48] <kbrooks> good
[03:49] <Seveas> first meeting is tomorrow at 0900 UTC
[03:49] <Seveas> kbrooks, what's your timezone?
[03:49] <kbrooks> what is the scope of the ubuntu community council?
[03:49] <kbrooks> well, EDT now
[03:49] <Seveas> see wiki.u.c/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[03:49] <Seveas> @schedule new_york
[03:50] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 03 Apr 05:00: Community Council | 05 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 10:00: Xubuntu | 06 Apr 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 11 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 12 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[03:50] <kbrooks> Seveas, i am there. the agenda is just one item
[03:50] <Seveas> kbrooks, there are quite a few new member applications
[03:50] <kbrooks> heh, 5 in the morning
[03:50] <kbrooks> *laughs*
[03:50] <kbrooks> Seveas, well, i can idle, but thats it.
[03:51] <kbrooks> i plan to apply for being a member when i have made an actual contribution to ubuntu
[03:51] <highvoltage> @schedule cape_town
[03:58] <kbrooks> how do i "publish" my signature of the ubuntu COC?
[03:58] <bmonty> kbrooks: in launchpad
[03:59] <kbrooks> bmonty, i did that. is that all ;)
[03:59] <bmonty> kbrooks: as long as launchpad shows that you have signed the CoC
[04:00] <kbrooks> bmonty: ok
[04:02] <Seveas> Kyle Brooks  (kyle-brooks)
[04:02] <Seveas> Preferred address:
[04:02] <Seveas><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:02] <Seveas> Timezone: Canada/Eastern
[04:02] <Seveas> Ubuntero: Yes
[04:02] <Seveas> Karma: 27630
[04:02] <Seveas> Ubuntero: Yes means you signed the CoC
[04:02] <Seveas> @schedule Canada/Eastern
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Canada/Eastern: 03 Apr 05:00: Community Council | 05 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 10:00: Xubuntu | 06 Apr 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 11 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 12 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[04:03] <kbrooks> @schedule EDT
[04:04] <kbrooks> Heh.
[04:04] <highvoltage> @schedule SAST
[04:05] <kbrooks> sivang, hi
[04:05] <kbrooks> sivang, who is this again? #ubuntu-desktop regular?
[04:05] <bmonty> @schedule US/Central
[04:05] <sivang> kbrooks: ?
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Central: 03 Apr 04:00: Community Council | 05 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 09:00: Xubuntu | 06 Apr 03:00: Dapper Development Status | 11 Apr 15:00: Technical Board | 12 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu
[04:08] <Seveas> kbrooks, sivang is the resident evil home-user-backup-builder
[04:09] <kbrooks> Seveas, Yes, I know
[04:09] <Seveas> do not feed, stay at least 100 meters away ;)
[04:09] <kbrooks> Seveas, lol
[04:09] <kbrooks> Seveas, funny
[04:09] <kbrooks> Seveas, seriously though.... ;)
[04:10] <kbrooks> 6 weeks = From april 20 to june 1 (i just counted on the calendar built into gnome)
[05:44] <sivang> Seveas: hehe
[05:44] <sivang> Seveas: but true :)
[09:04] <stgraber> You want the ETTV passwords, next ETTVs list, ... come on #Pr3dS.Gaming
[09:05] <stgraber> sorry


[06:10] <brobostigon> morning
[08:04] <daftykins> \o
[08:09] <brobostigon> o/
[08:10] <zxmoypi> o/
[08:11] <brobostigon> \o
[08:12] <daftykins> i've spotted quite the deal on a local classifieds site, a super fancy Q Acoustics 5.1 speaker set with stands etc for the fronts worth a grand, for £400 :O
[14:31] <Chunkyz> Hi
[15:02] <m0nkey_> (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻
[15:02] <zxmoypi> =^..^=
[16:04] <Chunkyz> *\0/*
[17:08]  * daftykins chuckles at the emergency call he just got
[17:08] <daftykins> that new biz i've been exploring the setup of, they lost their server and their current firm said "you're not on contract so you'll have to wait"
[17:09] <daftykins> i went up there, their server VM had mysteriously lost its' NIC...
[17:15] <zxmoypi> how do you lose a server. you leave it on the roof of your car with your starbucks coffee? :-P
[17:15] <daftykins> :D
[17:15] <daftykins> better part is on bringing it back, it's now warning that in 8 days the free license of VMware ESXi will expire, then there'll be no more starting VMs
[17:15] <zxmoypi> or is it like the novel server that was walled off for years and kept working but not novell and only lasted a few weeks...
[17:46]  * m0nkey_ starts a petition to bring back Novell NetWare
[17:46] <m0nkey_> Bindary tree baby, yeah!
[17:55] <zxmoypi> didn't every one like typing in pages and pages of dodgy sectors of hard drives before novell would touch them :-)
[18:23] <zxmoypi> that 200mb drive was a bargin. only 7 pages of dodgy sectors :-)
[18:59] <daftykins> one per line, or a big grid of values?
[18:59] <zxmoypi> i remember pages with 3-5 columns of numbers on them
[19:00] <zxmoypi> 50 per column-ish. my boss saved a few pennies by finding the worst cheapest drives :-)
[19:01] <zxmoypi> till we started having him type them in and then suddenly half a page... :-)
[19:01] <daftykins> i've just determined this client is on a 2012 system BIOS for their server which came out in 2012, 10 releases have been made since
[19:01] <daftykins> er, oops repetition on the 2012
[19:01] <daftykins> OS was EOL September 2018, VM's OS is EOL this October...
[19:02] <zxmoypi> freedos \o/


[12:32] <Ntemis> guys i need to stop mate welcome every time i boot
[12:32] <Ntemis> has become a pita
[12:33] <Ntemis> who removed the tick box?
[12:33] <Ntemis> i want to ban him
[12:49] <m4t> Ntemis: uhm maybe try 'apt-get purge ubuntu-mate-welcome'
[12:49] <m4t> idk though i don't have it installed and never have afaik
[12:49] <m4t> bl
[12:49] <m4t> bbl*
[13:10] <Ntemis> thanks m4t
[13:10] <Ntemis> that should do it but still a bug for offering no option to stop running on every boot
[14:38] <sixwheeledbeast> They are snap packages now IIRC? (re mate-welcome/boutique etc) I didn't install snap packages when I upgraded to 18.04.


[21:21] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, around?
[21:24] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, yes, tell me
[21:25] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, wanna mail me a post card from Columbia?
[21:25] <philipballew> I can give you the money to do so.
[21:26] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, a virtual card?
[21:28] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, Sorry.
[21:28] <philipballew> Were looking for ones with actual handwriting.
[21:29] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, I see, when do you need it for?
[21:30] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, I need it by the end of May for my talk at a Linux conference in front of like 60 people.
[21:30] <philipballew> JoseeAntonioR, is sending me one to.
[21:31] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, sounds good, I think I can do it ;)
[21:31] <SergioMeneses> and I have to write something especial?
[21:32] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, just write like Greetings from Ubuntu Columbia, and why people use ubuntu there.
[21:32] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, ok
[21:32] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, let me post my address here
[21:33] <philipballew> or I can email it to you?
[21:33] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, send me a email
[21:34] <SergioMeneses><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:35] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, sent it. If you can do it by this week, that would be hot.
[21:35] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, I'll try to do my best
[21:36] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, I should do that more often
[21:36] <philipballew> thanks!
[21:37] <SergioMeneses> perfect


[00:31] <LeChacal> I am new to setting up a server and screwed up my hosts file so i cant sudo now because of the host name but i only have remote access to the server is there away to log in remotely in recovery mode so i can fix the hosts file? I dont want to wait a few days tell i have physical access to the box. thank you
[01:28] <kgoetz> LeChacal: unless you have some form of ALOM no you cant
[02:12] <sommer> LeChacal: do you have a console now?
[02:13] <sommer> ah, kgoetz what up
[02:13] <kgoetz> sommer: just got my perl workin \o/
[02:13] <sommer> heh, perl's cool
[02:13] <kgoetz> sommer: hows your day (evening?) going?
[02:14] <kgoetz> it was a pretty serious case of pebkac :|
[02:14] <sommer> was going good, then I watched the champions league
[02:14] <kgoetz> whats that?
[02:15] <sommer> I've recently become a football fan (soccer as we say in the states)
[02:15] <kgoetz> aaah. hehe
[02:15] <kgoetz> fwiw, its soccer in au too ;)
[02:15] <sommer> arsenal lost!!!... noooooooooooooooooo
[02:15] <mohamed_> hello all, what is the command or the script that i can control running service from  ?
[02:15] <sommer> heh, its pretty awesome!
[02:15] <sommer> mohamed_: /etc/init.d/*
[02:16] <sommer> mohamed_: restart, start, stop, etc
[02:16] <mohamed_> sommer yes, but i mean something that i see runlevel in it
[02:16] <kgoetz> i stopped following soccer when i stopped playing it.
[02:16] <mohamed_> i remember i had something like this before but don't know its name
[02:17] <kgoetz> mohamed_: what control do you want exactly?
[02:17] <sommer> heh, I played amrerican football... went soo long and never knew
[02:17] <sommer> awesome sport
[02:17] <mohamed_> kgoetz, e.g if i want service to run e.g in runlevel4 instead of 2
[02:18] <sommer> mohamed_: check out update-rc.d
[02:24] <mohamed_> something like chkconfig in redhat
[02:24] <sommer> yep, update-rc.d
[02:24] <sommer> not, quite as user friendly, but it works
[02:24] <mohamed_> yes
[02:25] <sommer> I must admit I've only used it to either stop a service at boot or stop one
[02:25] <sommer> the other scenerios...
[02:26] <sommer> heh, start one that is
[02:26] <mohamed_> yes me too, :)
[02:26] <sommer> I'd hate to rtmf ya, but if you check the man page it does the fine tuning stuff as well
[02:26] <kgoetz> there is an ncurses tool for setting runlevels i think. nfi what it is though
[02:27] <sommer> true true
[02:32] <kgoetz> mohamed_: by the way - its considered rude to ask a question two places at once ...
[02:33] <mohamed_> kgoetz, u mean that i ask on debian ?
[02:34] <kgoetz> yes. and another bit of information: if #debian is aware your asking ubuntu questions they'll rightly flame you.
[02:34] <mohamed_> i'm sorry , only simply i try to find  answer
[02:35] <mohamed_> because i'm realy use a tool before and i remember that someone also told me about
[02:35] <mohamed_> but it seem that i forget alot
[02:36] <mohamed_> and for ubuntu and debian i have the two system running :)
[02:38] <max_> anyone, I have 20 ubuntu workstations on my server.  How do I remove packages from all 20 at once, remotely, also apply updates?
[02:39] <sommer> max_: you could look into clusterssh
[02:40] <kgoetz> or a tool like puppet/cfengine
[02:41] <sommer> heh, I've been meaning to look into those as well :)
[02:41] <sommer> well more than the mag articles
[02:41] <kgoetz> cfengine is a monster (i've used it). puppet is meant to be less of a monster :)
[02:42] <kgoetz> never tried clusterssh, but i've been told about it (it was used to manage all the AP's at LCA)
[02:42] <sommer> cool
[02:46] <kgoetz> one think i found amusing was a bloke usin cfengine to roll out puppet - so blazingly obvious, but i still get a grin from it
[02:48] <Jeeves_> !cfengine++
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cfengine++ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <mohamed_> kgoetz, what u do when u want some answers ?
[02:52] <kgoetz> mohamed_: depends what answer i want
[02:52] <mohamed_> technical of course
[02:52] <mohamed_> because u consider me behave  bad
[02:53] <mohamed_> at least u tell  me first the rules
[02:53] <mohamed_> u said it is consider
[02:54] <kgoetz> usually ask the relevent channel, search the web if i cant get an answer, read a man page (etc)
[02:54] <mohamed_> yes, this is what i do
[02:54] <mohamed_> my behaviour s not very bad as you see it
[02:54] <ScottK> Try one place at a time so you don't take the chance of wasting other people's time if multiple people answer.  Wasting time of people you are asking for free help from is considered disrespectful.
[02:55] <ScottK> mohamed_: Do you see the guide to smart questions in /topic?
[02:56] <mohamed_> ScottK, i know that poeple time is important but don't expect that all people know the rules
[02:56] <mohamed_> this is what i mean before you deal with people that they behave bad tell them first
[02:56] <ScottK> mohamed_: He pointed it out to you in order to help you.
[02:57] <ScottK> mohamed_: My advice is read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved from the topic.
[02:57] <ScottK> Oops
[02:57] <ScottK> Wrong url
[02:57] <max_> sommer: thanks
[02:57] <ScottK> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html <-- That one
[02:57] <mohamed_> and again thx for all people help, i hope oneday i can help here also
[02:57] <max_> that worked
[02:58] <mohamed_> thx ScottK
[02:58] <ScottK> mohamed_: No problem.
[02:58] <mohamed_> i have to read it carfull before i ask here   again :)
[03:00] <sommer> max_: np
[03:00] <sommer> ScottK: hey
[03:00] <ScottK> hey sommer
[03:01] <sommer> on that amavisd-new bug, I don't think that $hostnanm is documented
[03:01] <sommer> I can add that for the next version of the docs
[03:02] <mactimes> Hello everyone.  Is there a "recipe" to install ubuntu server using RAID1 for the OS partitions, for use with hot swapping or something similar?
[03:02] <ScottK> sommer: Agreed.  It should also be documented in the package.
[03:03] <sommer> the amavis docs do describe it... which is why I had it in my config, so either way
[03:03] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:03] <ScottK> OK.  Then yes please.
[03:04] <ScottK> I'd suggest add it to the docs package and close the bug to that.
[03:04] <sommer> cool, I think it'll have to be for ibex though... too far past SF
[03:05] <sommer>  I'll update the wiki page though
[03:05] <ScottK> Right.
[03:06] <ScottK> Makes sense
[03:07] <sommer> I'll update the bug tomorrow :)
[03:07] <sommer> it's probably a small use case
[03:20] <mohamed_> at last i find it,  is  sysv-rc-conf
[03:20] <mohamed_> this realy better and clear than other commands
[03:31] <ScottK> mohamed_: sommer that I've been talking with is in charge of our server documentation.  Perhaps you could suggest to him how to improve our documentation to have made finding that easier for you?
[03:32] <mohamed_> ScottK, if  u simplify documentation for people like me i'm lazy :)
[03:33] <mohamed_> the command i find save for me to deal with rc-update ...etc
[03:33] <ScottK> sommer: ^^^ Might be worth a mention on the wiki
[03:34] <mohamed_> ScottK, sometimes i install the server not as real server but to use  it as a base for e.g vdr system
[03:34] <mohamed_> for this i search how to delete unwanted services
[03:34] <mohamed_> to make it boot fast
[03:35] <ScottK> It's generally a good practice not to have stuff you don't need running.
[03:36] <mohamed_> documentation is realy good because i install ubuntu-server b4 and find everything i need but this was real server
[03:37] <mohamed_> if i can help in something this will be good you can consider me as ubuntu and debian user :)
[03:39]  * ScottK is pretty busy with some actual work right now, but maybe sommer will have some interest in documentation.
[03:40] <mohamed_> hello sommer , with documentation u can add this command only for lazy people like me :)
[03:41] <mohamed_> sysv-rc-conf
[03:42] <ScottK> He may have gone.
[03:43] <mohamed_> ok then if u see if anyone can benifit from u tell him about, because i find it difficuly after deep search
[03:47] <mohamed_> i have to leave have a good night all
[03:48] <sommer> eh... yep, that's worth documenting
[03:55] <JaxxMaxx> fer sure!
[04:02] <pleaseandthankyo> is there a good diet softwares? like for a diabetes guy or a healthy living diet software for person who has heart d eases?
[04:17] <googlah> hello. somebody here?
[04:24] <n6rej> evening folks.. how do we know what packages are installed by default on 7.1 server?  Like the MTA and mail server
[04:24] <n6rej> ftp etc...
[04:25] <pschulz02> n6rej: Do you have one installed.. or are you looking for a list.
[04:26] <n6rej> pschulz02: i just did a clean install tonight and I don't want to reinvent the wheel.. it asked me if I wanted a local mail server and I told it yes, but I don't see which it used... same with ftp
[04:26] <pschulz02> n6rej: postfix
[04:27] <n6rej> pschulz02: like i figured out dovecot is installed.. but thats not a mta
[04:27] <pschulz02> n6rej: dpkg -l
[04:27] <n6rej> pschulz02: ok.. ty
[04:35] <n6rej> pschulz02: are you confortable with samba/wins?
[04:40] <pschulz02> n6rej: No.
[04:41] <pschulz02> A long time ago maybe.
[04:44] <n6rej> pschulz02: ok.
[04:44] <n6rej> i think maybe I found the problem.. we'll see
[04:45] <n6rej> pschulz02: i'm trying to setup a area on the server where my mac, pc, and *nix can all share files... like a "file server"
[04:45] <n6rej> pschulz02: i'm running into problems with filename length :(
[04:58] <pschulz02> Anyone here using iSCSI?
[05:01] <pschulz02> n6rej: filename or path?
[05:02] <n6rej> pschulz02: filename... some of the songs hav elonger then 31 chars in their name
[05:02] <pschulz02> What underlying filesystem are yuou using?
[05:03] <pschulz02> n6rej: Is this on your ubunutu-server box?
[05:03] <n6rej> pschulz02: the songs currently are on my wins box.. I want to move them to the server so everyone ( all the platforms ) can more easily share them
[05:03] <n6rej> which is yes, a ubuntu 7.1 server
[05:04] <n6rej> pschulz02: ext3
[05:04] <pschulz02> 7.10 <-- sorry for being pedantic
[05:04] <n6rej> pschulz02: its ok :D
[05:04] <pschulz02> So.. you can see the Samba share from your windows box?
[05:05] <n6rej> pschulz02: yep, got all that fixed... its resolving fine now... still have a minor problem with bind, its not recognizing my cnames
[05:06] <pschulz02> n6rej: Did you change the serial number/restart bind?
[05:06] <n6rej> pschulz02: UGH
[05:06] <n6rej> lol forgot the sn
[05:08] <n6rej> pschulz02: no joy.. here's the local file.. http://pastebin.com/m2cecc748
[05:09] <n6rej> pschulz02: i had errors in my samba before but testparm says its all good now
[05:25] <pschulz02> n6rej: What does your named.conf look like?
[05:25] <n6rej> pschulz02: let me get it
[05:26] <pschulz02> n6rej: That is where the '@' wildcard will get defined.
[05:26] <n6rej> pschulz02: oh, I think thats in named.conf.local ?
[05:26] <n6rej> http://pastebin.com/m44bfcd41
[05:26] <pschulz02> n6rej: You can leave off the domain from all of your A records..
[05:26] <pschulz02> ...Ahah
[05:27] <n6rej> pschulz02: http://pastebin.com/m4f9d47bf ( named.conf.local )
[05:27] <pschulz02> n6rej: They need to be.. 'name IN A IP.ad.dr.ess
[05:27] <n6rej> pschulz02: ok.. annabelle is the servers, "name" hallhome.lan is the "domain"
[05:27] <n6rej> pschulz02:  ok
[05:28] <pschulz02> n6rej: Ok.. so the first file was called 'db.lan'?
[05:28] <n6rej> pschulz02: yes and its reverse is db.192
[05:29] <pschulz02> Ok.. from the top od db.lan..
[05:29] <pschulz02> $TTL 86400
[05:30] <n6rej> pschulz02: i'm with you
[05:30]  * n6rej and I really appreciate what your doing
[05:30] <pschulz02> Ahh .. I haven't seen the 'D' 'H' 'W' notation before.
[05:30] <n6rej> pschulz02: that from about redhat 6 days
[05:30] <n6rej> idk if its predicated or not
[05:31] <pschulz02> n6rej: Every record should have 'IN' in it.
[05:31] <pschulz02> n6rej: after the header
[05:31] <n6rej> pschulz02: omg how did it even work!
[05:31] <pschulz02> n6rej: Not sure :-)
[05:32] <n6rej> pschulz02: but not cname right?
[05:32] <pschulz02> So 'name IN CNAME anothername'
[05:32] <n6rej> ok done
[05:32] <pschulz02> Ok.. there is the command named-checkzone
[05:33] <pschulz02> named-checkzone hallhome.lan db.lan
[05:33] <n6rej> annabelle.hallhome.lan has no A records or AAA records
[05:34] <n6rej> s/AAA/AAAA/
[05:34] <pschulz02> Ok.. add an A record for annabell
[05:34] <pschulz02> (pointing to an IP)
[05:34] <n6rej> that makes sense
[05:35] <n6rej> loaded serial 6 "OK"
[05:35] <n6rej> pschulz02: says same thinga bout db.192 ( the reverse )
[05:36] <pschulz02> n6rej: have a look at db.127
[05:36] <n6rej> pschulz02: http://pastebin.com/m2a8ceac6 (db.192)
[05:36] <n6rej> kk
[05:36] <pschulz02> n6rej: You need the have IN PTR entries.
[05:36] <n6rej> pschulz02: http://pastebin.com/m7273a004
[05:36] <n6rej> ok I'll fix that
[05:37] <n6rej> pschulz02: says I need one for the NS reverse also?
[05:38] <pschulz02> n6rej: Notice how db.127 used 3 numbers.. db.192 should only have one.
[05:39] <pschulz02> Compare trhe lines in named.conf.local (for 192.168.1) with those in named.conf (I think.. for 172.)
[05:39] <n6rej> ps kk
[05:40] <pschulz02> n6rej: You need an IN NS record in the reverse DNS.. it should be the same as the record in the regular DNS.
[05:41] <pschulz02> n6rej: You are telling the people who are looking up the domain (be it a forward, or a reverse lookup) which nameserver is responsible.
[05:41] <n6rej> pschulz02: are thse 2 lines right in the db.lan?
[05:41] <n6rej>  NS      annabelle.hallhome.lan.
[05:41] <n6rej>  MX      10      annabelle.hallhome.lan.
[05:41] <n6rej> 69 is the ip of the server
[05:41] <pschulz02> Put an 'IN' in front of them.
[05:42] <pschulz02> eg. '@  IN  NS  annabelle.hallhome.lan.'
[05:42] <n6rej> pschulz02: yep, fixed it
[05:43] <pschulz02> n6rej: I think you might be able to leave out the '@' but I always put it in..
[05:46] <n6rej> pschulz02: i dont' get it, check is still not liking the reverse http://pastebin.com/m2d661616
[05:47] <n6rej> pschulz02: I could try cheating and just put @ for the ip
[05:49] <n6rej> pschulz02: ugh, i know whats wrong.. "hallhome.lan" is not defined anywhere
[05:51] <pschulz02> n6rej: It should nbe whatever is defined in named.conf.local
[05:52] <n6rej> pschulz02: hmmmmmmmmm thats in there
[05:53] <n6rej> is the @ in 127 messing us up?
[05:54] <n6rej> root@annabelle:/etc/bind# named-checkzone hallhome.lan db.192
[05:54] <n6rej> zone hallhome.lan/IN: NS 'annabelle.hallhome.lan' has no address records (A or AAAA)
[05:54] <n6rej> zone hallhome.lan/IN: loaded serial 5
[05:54] <n6rej> OK
[05:54] <n6rej> weird :(
[06:08] <pschulz02> Still got problems? Had to pop away..
[06:11] <n6rej> pschulz02: yeah
[06:11] <n6rej> still same error
[06:12] <n6rej> i've tried everything.. can't get the reverse to work right :(
[06:17] <n6rej> pschulz02: i swear this thing is posessed!
[06:17] <pschulz02> n6rej: pastebin
[06:18] <pschulz02> Error with 'named-checkzone'?
[06:18] <n6rej> pschulz02: here's both forward and reverse http://pastebin.com/m4faec42b
[06:18] <n6rej> pschulz02: yeah..
[06:19] <n6rej> bind doesn't show anything in the syslog if I restart it
[06:19]  * n6rej well nothing negaive
[06:19] <n6rej> ugh negative even
[06:21] <n6rej> pschulz02: from winds i can ping annabelle  or hallhome.lan but not mail. or www. or ftp.
[06:21] <pschulz02> Ok.. is bind process running?
[06:21] <n6rej> pschulz02: yes
[06:21] <pschulz02> What does 'host annabell' tell you (on annabell)
[06:22] <n6rej> http://pastebin.com/m4faec42b
[06:22] <n6rej> oops
[06:22] <n6rej> wait
[06:22] <n6rej> annabelle.hallhome.lan has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <pschulz02> Ok.. what about 'host mail'
[06:22] <n6rej> mail.hallhome.lan is an alias for annabelle.hallhome.lan.
[06:22] <n6rej> annabelle.hallhome.lan has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:23] <n6rej> hmmmmmmmmmm
[06:23] <n6rej> pschulz02: this is my line in my /etc/hosts <IP_ADDRESS>    annabelle annabelle.hallhome.lan hallhome.lan
[06:24] <pschulz02> Ok.. what about 'host <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa'
[06:24] <pschulz02> 'host' uses DNS (not hosts file :-)
[06:25] <n6rej> host <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa ?
[06:25] <n6rej> comes back blank
[06:25] <n6rej> pschulz02: ok :D
[06:26] <pschulz02> n6rej: This is the domain used for reverse lookup.
[06:26] <n6rej> pschulz02: yeah... what the heck is going on with the reverse?
[06:27] <pschulz02> can you please paste named.conf.local again.
[06:27] <n6rej> pschulz02: sure
[06:28] <n6rej> http://pastebin.com/m435ef89a
[06:29] <pschulz02> Hmm..
[06:29] <pschulz02> What is your 'resolv.conf' on annabell? Does it point to itself?
[06:31] <pschulz02> Odd.. I can't see any obvious problem.
[06:33] <n6rej> wow that was ugly!
[06:33] <n6rej> pschulz02: i installed resolvconf package
[06:39] <n6rej> pschulz02: here's what it says ... http://pastebin.com/d3f12df07
[06:44] <pschulz02> Ok.. well, it should work then..
[06:45] <pschulz02> What about the following (dot at the end is important) - host <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa.
[06:48] <n6rej> let me triple check
[06:48] <n6rej> pschulz02: added the . still no printout
[06:49] <n6rej> whats really strange is nslookup works
[06:53] <n6rej> root@annabelle:/etc/bind# host <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:53] <n6rej> <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer annabelle.hallhome.lan.
[07:02] <n6rej> .
[07:02] <n6rej> pschulz02: you must be working
[07:03] <mfiers> heya. I got software RAID 1, and my mailbox is spammed with degraded array messages.. I checked the internet and it seems I have to re-synchronize my disks, but it also seems this synchronising should be done automatically
[07:05] <pschulz02> n6rej: Busy trying to injest documentation on iscsi while fending off user requests.
[07:05] <n6rej> pschulz02: yeah, figured you were working.. I'm thinking this is a samba problem now... cause I think dns is working properly on the server
[07:06] <mfiers> ..and in my case, I don't think it's synchronsing...
[07:06] <n6rej> mfiers: shouldn't there be a log entry?
[07:08] <mfiers> n6rej: well.. what will that log make me any smarter? Unless saying it encountered a degraded array?
[07:09] <n6rej> mfiers: depends... idk much about raid ( less its in the can :P ) but I would think you could crank up the reporting to more specifically pin point the problem
[07:09] <mfiers>  /proc/mdstat gives me 5 degraded arrays out of 6 devices
[07:09] <n6rej> ouch
[07:10] <mfiers> so 1 is working properly :) the others arent.. The system still works (yeah, mirroring), but it's quite annoying that the system isn't really as it should be
[07:11] <n6rej> mfiers: and from what I just read dangerous too.  questions is whats causing the non-sync problem
[07:11] <n6rej> mfiers: seems to me there should be a tool for that
[07:12] <n6rej> gotta run
[07:12] <n6rej> pschulz02: thanks a million for all your help
[07:18] <mfiers> ..all manuals say the syncing is done automatically..
[07:18] <mfiers> I don't see it done automatically...
[07:21] <_ruben> mfiers: sudo mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 .. just an example .. it'll hot (re)add sda1 to md0 and rebuild will be initiated .. or replace the broken drive ;)
[07:22] <_ruben> "or replace the broken drive first" even .. after replacing you still would need to repartition it and add it to the array
[07:24] <mfiers> hmm.. Okay, I'll try.. What I did now was unmount one of the degraded disks (umount /dev/md5), and then tried mounting again, and it says 'ext3-fs: unable to read superblock)
[07:25] <_ruben> mfiers: ouch? you sure that md5 is holding an ext3 filesystem?
[07:25] <mfiers> pretty sure yes
[07:25] <mfiers> I only have ext3 filesystems on this system
[07:25] <_ruben> (un/re)mounting has nothing to do with the array itself (its health that is) afaik
[07:25] <mfiers> sudo mdadm /dev/md5 -a /dev/sdb9 says: mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md5
[07:26] <mfiers> but.. _ruben: it works for a mounted md
[07:26] <_ruben> scary .. sounds like md5 is messed up somehow
[07:26] <mfiers> so it is now recovering md2
[07:27] <mfiers> I think I'll reboot and then sync the md5.
[07:27] <mfiers> thx for the help _ruben! One question still: how is it possible that in 2 months, I already got 4 degraded arrays?
[07:27] <_ruben> and hope for the superblock not to be too messed up .. you could try using one of the copies of the superblock
[07:28] <_ruben> mfiers: bad disk?
[07:28] <mfiers> forced reboot or so?
[07:28] <_ruben> unclean shutdown might cause it too yeah
[07:29] <mfiers> _ruben: superblock... means:  putting the superblock to 0 with --zero-superblock, and then re-create the array with mdam -C ..., right?
[07:29] <_ruben> if possible i'd run a disk healthtest on it (using the appropriate tools provided by the disk's manufacturer)
[07:30] <_ruben> mfiers: well .. there's 2 superblocks .. the one of the disks for the md's .. and within the md's for the respective filesystems .. both seem to have problems .. i never tried zero'ing the md's superblock (never had similar problems)
[07:33] <mfiers> a superblock just contains some info about the harddisk, right?
[07:38] <mfiers> okay.. it seems to have worked for md2. Will do the others now. Thx for help _ruben
[08:45] <kraut> moin
[08:45] <_ruben> morning
[10:42] <_ruben> hrm .. my installation (for documentation purposes only, read: screenshot galore) of gutsy server under vmware (2 virtual disks with s/w raid and lvm) seems to hang at "Creating device files..."
[11:27] <kraut> i've a sun galaxy x4100 system with a custom kernel. now i want to check the official ubuntu kernel. when i boot the system with it, i won't find the root-device, because the array disk connected to the lsi-controller won't be found.
[11:27] <kraut> any ideas what i could do?
[14:04] <TrioTorus> I'm considering switching nsswitch.conf from password: ldap files to password: files ldap, but I need all users in the ldap directory to also be a member of some system groups like 'admin' or 'video'. Do I have to include those groups in the ldap directory then, or how is this usually done?
[14:13] <sommer> TrioTorus: I believe so
[14:18] <TrioTorus> reading up on this, I better ask my question this way: do I migrate system UID's and system GID's to ldap or not?
[14:21] <sommer> when migrating my main server I didn't
[14:21] <sommer> I did migrate the user uid and gid numbers though
[14:22] <sommer> but none of my user's need to be in the system groups at this point
[14:27] <KB3NZQ_XP> does any one know where i can download gnome for offline install with a cd
[14:34] <Rayn> Hey all, I've got a process on one of my machines that occasionally spirals out of control and completely locks the system.. is there a way I can put it in some kind of jail so it can't do that? it's java fwiw
[14:34] <KB3NZQ_XP> does any one know where i can download gnome for offline install with a cd
[14:37] <ScottK> KB3NZQ_XP: That's radically off topic for #ubuntu-server.  Try #ubuntu.
[14:37] <KB3NZQ_XP> well it is going to be installed on my server
[14:37] <KB3NZQ_XP> that is why i asked here
[14:39] <ScottK> Once you install Gnome, it's not a server anymore (at least by our definition).  Anything about Gnome, you really need to ask about in #ubuntu.
[14:46] <KB3NZQ_XP> i need gnome because i'm not that cood w/ command line
[14:47] <KB3NZQ_XP> i need gnome because i'm not that good w/ command line
[14:48] <sommer> !servergui
[14:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[14:48] <sommer> that should get you started
[14:48] <KB3NZQ_XP> ok
[14:52] <KB3NZQ_XP> thank you i have to go
[14:53] <sommer> welcome
[15:06] <TrioTorus> any idea if ebox mail module is going to be in Hardy?
[15:06] <zul> no it isnt
[15:06] <_ruben> wouldnt know, but i did hear that that module most likely wont cover postfix/dovecot which are the 'prefered' tools
[15:10] <TrioTorus> that's a bit sad to hear. It means I have to be missing out on a mail gui and a apache gui. Reason enough to go for webmin anyway?
[15:11] <ScottK> No.  On Debian and derived systems webmin will lead to tears in the end.
[15:12] <linunut> Guys, situation time: You've got a server with 1TB in a RAID-1. You dropped a LOT of dough on this endeavor. Your network has both windoze and *nux boxes. What file system do you use?
[15:12] <_ruben> linunut: depends on what kind of stuff you're storing on it
[15:13] <linunut> _ruben: oggs, mostly.
[15:13] <_ruben> first guess would be xfs
[15:13] <_ruben> that the clients are both win and lin doesnt matter, since you'll be using nfs/cifs/smth else as protocol in between
[15:14] <linunut> _ruben: Good to know. I might just go ext3 then
[15:14] <linunut> I was mostly worried about the cross-platform compatibility
[15:14]  * ScottK is conservative about file systems and would recommend ext3.
[15:14] <_ruben> earlier today i read an article on ext2/ext3/reiser/xfs/jfs and the various uses/pros/cons
[15:15] <_ruben> cant find it now tho :/
[15:15] <_ruben> conservative: ext3 .. else xfs is an option, tho not necesarily better/worse than ext3 afaik
[15:15] <linunut> _ruben: I pretty much read all are prone to fail at some point.
[15:16] <linunut> I would have guessed there was no epic difference in the end.
[15:16] <linunut> I was mostly worried, as I said, about the multi-platform network
[15:16] <_ruben> there might be some performance differences .. both during runtime and fsck for example
[15:16] <TrioTorus> ScottK: I heared about that. What is your proposal for mail and apache gui besides 'use cli'?
[15:16] <_ruben> linunut: that'd be the least of your worries i'd say ;)
[15:17] <linunut> _ruben: Heh, and the most?
[15:17] <_ruben> linunut: i'd say performance and reliability .. and in that subject i wouldnt know the diff between ext3 and xfs
[15:17] <Deeps> apparently xfs is better with larger files than ext3
[15:17] <ScottK> TrioTorus: I don't have one, but I'd rather fumble through learning cli than have an unreliable server.
[15:18] <linunut> _ruben: Gotcha. And hey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[15:18] <Deeps> googling xfs vs ext3 is giving that indication, at least
[15:18] <linunut> Wiki to the rescue
[15:18] <linunut> Deeps: Heh, yeah, when you start talkin' Exbibytes
[15:19] <_ruben> :)
[15:19] <Deeps> larger files, not larger file systems
[15:19] <Deeps> not that ext3 can cope with ebs anyway
[15:20] <linunut> Heh, luckily I don't have that large of files
[15:20] <Deeps> i'd guess ext3 on linux is probably safer than xfs
[15:21] <Deeps> http://wiki.novell.com/index.php/File_System_Primer#Linux_File_Systems.__Why_so_many.3F
[15:21] <Rayn> linunut: ultimately you're not completely stuck with what you pick, as long as you have room you can do the resize shuffle and switch if you ever needed to
[15:22] <linunut> Rayn: This'll be my first real 'server' setup
[15:22] <linunut> FOr storage purposes, anyhow
[15:23] <Rayn> sure, and samba will abstract the underlying system anyway, so I wouldn't worry
[15:25] <TrioTorus> ScottK: I value that opinion, I really do. It is how I do it now, but boy, I'm looking forward to some universal webinterface service configuration on linux. A freedesktop.org effort for the server: freeserver.org: my wet dream.
[15:26] <Rayn> TrioTorus: good luck nailing down interfaces for long enough in the open source world, heh
[15:27] <ScottK> For Postfix, most of the heavy lifting is getting an initial config that meets your needs.  Once you have that, it's pretty easy to replicate to other boxes and you don't have to touch it much.
[15:30] <TrioTorus> Rayn: not talking about the look and feel of an interface, but rather 'guidelines on how it should be done', just like freedesktop.
[15:31] <Rayn> no, sure I understand, just most server apps have their own weird way of doing the configs, and getting them to conform would be an impressive feat
[15:31] <TrioTorus> ScottK: okay, it does help now that you said that :-)
[15:33] <TrioTorus> Rayn: yes, you would have thought xml would have helped, but don't want to get into that 'human readable' discussion again...
[15:33] <Rayn> heh, yes see everyone has an opinion
[15:54] <Deeps> hmm, wonder if anyone has any ideas
[15:54] <Deeps> i'm trying to stream media over an unreliable network (ethernet over powerline)
[15:55] <Deeps> sometimes i can get 10mbit, but moments later it can plummet to 100kbit and then jump back up again on its own moments later
[15:55] <Deeps> this results in the video skipping
[15:55] <Deeps> i'm guessing what i really need is a better media player that will just buffer more data
[15:56] <Deeps> rather than trying to overcomplicate it and have a network file system that'll buffer data for me
[15:58] <Rayn> mplayer -cache (something large)
[15:58] <Deeps> yeah, i'm trying to do it with vlc, but if i increase the cache, it increases the delay between pressing play and pressing pause
[15:59] <Rayn> mplayer stores the cache in memory and plays once it has recieved a certain threshold
[15:59] <Deeps> ie, a 2sec cache in vlc will mean when i attempt to pause, i'll still get 2sec more stuff
[15:59] <Deeps> there a nice gui for mplayer?
[15:59] <Rayn> gmplayer
[15:59] <Deeps> (i realise this is the wrong channel, heh)
[15:59] <Deeps> ta
[16:09] <TrioTorus> in here http://ebox-platform.com/features/ ebox DOES seem to use Postfix. Now it's only dovecot that is missing.
[16:10] <zul> TrioTorus: I have talked to them about this before and its being worked on by the ebox developers
[16:11] <TrioTorus> zul: great!
[16:12] <zul> but not for hardy
[16:12] <TrioTorus> okay, what can't be done can't be done. But I've got high hopes that ebox is going to be THE tool for linux servers (if you don't want landscape that is)
[16:13] <TrioTorus> so I'm willing to invest in it if they keep heading the right direction
[16:13] <jdstrand> zul: does ebox still have workarounds for apparmor? eg, there were problems before that slapcat didn't work with apparmor enabled. these are fixed now in the apparmor profile.
[16:13] <TrioTorus> (too bad ebox seems to be perl)
[16:14] <zul> jdstrand: yeah i think we commited a workaround for it
[16:14]  * TrioTorus isn't keen on perl
[16:15]  * nijaba neither
[16:15] <jdstrand> zul: would it be possible to have you (or them) see if ebox works in enforcing mode?
[16:15] <jdstrand> (or without the workarounds)
[16:16] <zul> jdstrand: sure...
[16:16] <zul> foolano: ^^^ :)
[16:16] <jdstrand> zul: thanks!
[16:16] <foolano> :)
[16:16] <jdstrand> foolano: ^
[16:17] <jdstrand> oh heh
[16:17] <foolano> i had to modify the example backup script that slapd ships
[16:17] <foolano> it tried to write in /var/backups/ldap
[16:17] <foolano> and apparmor didn't allow that
[16:17] <jdstrand> foolano: that backup script-- it uses slapcat?
[16:17] <foolano> jdstrand: right
[16:18] <foolano> the obvious workaround was using > instead of -f
[16:18] <jdstrand> foolano: yeah-- the problem was that all the slap* utils were symlinked to slapd. apparmor normalizes the pathname of symlinks to be the absolute path of the file the links point to
[16:18] <foolano> i see
[16:18] <jdstrand> foolano: that would work yes
[16:19] <foolano> jdstrand: the current package in hardy does that
[16:19] <jdstrand> foolano: but in the general case, the slap* utils would fail anytime they tried to access stuff not in the profile (as you saw)
[16:19] <foolano> have you changed that?
[16:19] <jdstrand> foolano: this has been fixed in the slapd package so that we hard link to slapd rather than symlink
[16:20] <jdstrand> foolano: so now all the slap* utils are unconfined (as they should be)
[16:20] <foolano> alright, cool
[16:21] <jdstrand> foolano: if your only change for dealing with apparmor was the aforementioned redirection, then you don't have to change anything
[16:22] <jdstrand> foolano: but if there were other changes, everything should work properly now
[16:22] <foolano> jdstrand: ok, cool. I only changed that. So everything should be fine
[16:23] <jdstrand> foolano: great :)
[16:23] <foolano> thanks :)
[16:27] <foolano> TrioTorus: at the time we started eBox, I think using perl for a tool to do sys admin tasks was a right decision.
[16:27] <foolano> TrioTorus: i hate OO programming in perl, it's just a hack. But we have been able to use a lot stuff from cpan
[16:29] <foolano> and regarding dovecot, i think the switch to it from courier shouldn't take too log
[16:31] <jdstrand> foolano: just curious-- does ebox run under taint mode?
[16:32] <jdstrand> foolano: what about mod_perl?
[16:33] <foolano> jdstrand: we always retrive the user passed parameters via a method that takes care of checking unsafe chars
[16:33] <foolano> jdstrand: we run it under mod_perl
[16:33] <TrioTorus> foolano: thanks for that info. I do think you guys did a splendid job though, so I'm all supportive :-)
[16:35] <jdstrand> foolano: ok, but does that mean it doesn't run with taint mode enabled?
[16:35] <jdstrand> (this is a very nice feature of perl for web apps)
[16:36] <foolano> jdstrand: no, we don't run it under taint mode
[16:38] <foolano> we'll look at it but you have to keep in mind too that under its normal use the only user of the webinterface is the system administrator
[16:40] <jdstrand> foolano: IMO, adding taint mode checks would be a really good idea, especially if/when ebox is considered for main inclusion
[16:47] <foolano> jdstrand: i'm testing it with the taint mode enabled right now
[16:47] <jdstrand> foolano: cool!
[18:31] <DSpair> 'lo all... I'm hoping someone might assist me with an installation issue.
[18:31] <DSpair> I am installing Ubuntu 7.10 on an IBM 306m which uses an Adaptec 9406 SAS/SATA controller. Ubuntu loads the aic94xx driver and is able to access the CD-ROM, but not able to see the hard disk...
[18:32] <DSpair> When I look at the dmesg, I see the following error right after the CD-ROM is detected: ERROR: Unknown device type 5
[19:19] <zul> mathiaz: ping isnt #214556 more of a nautilius thing
[19:21] <mathiaz> zul: hum - may be
[19:21] <mathiaz> zul: I think it's more a user support request
[19:22] <mathiaz> zul: I don't really know actually
[19:22] <zul> mathiaz: yeah that was also a thought
[19:22] <zul> also kind of snarky with the tone
[19:49] <nijaba> **** Reminder: server meeting in 2h10m from now ****
[20:16] <frame45> ~foo: U there?
[20:27] <frame45> ?? Where can I find info? Here's what I need to do:  Client has 2 restraunts with P.O.S. systems, he wants both systems to feed to a server(ubuntu) and then be able to login via VPN from his MacBook from an internet connection.
[21:09] <henkjan> hmm, no ubuntu-server meeting?
[21:10] <sommer> henkjan: 21:00 utc
[21:11] <henkjan> ah, forgot about dailightsavings
[21:11] <sommer> :)
[21:11] <henkjan> it used to be 22:00 in GMT+1 (the netherlands)


[16:58] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: ping
[16:58] <Rinchen> hi beuno
[16:58] <Rinchen> er
[16:58] <Rinchen> boredandblogging,
[16:59] <Rinchen> now Martin's going to go "huh, what?" :-)
[16:59] <beuno> Rinchen, well, I'll take it like you where just being nice and saying "hi"
[16:59] <beuno> so, hi Rinchen!
[16:59] <boredandblogging>                  │ PriceChild
[16:59] <boredandblogging> well that sucked
[17:00] <Rinchen> actually, he's a nice guy ;-)
[17:00] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: Nicolas Deschildre, the guy who did brainstorm...
[17:00] <boredandblogging> and I have been talking about giving the Fridge a makeover
[17:00] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: http://www.ndeschildre.net/downloads/UbuntuNews.html
[17:01] <boredandblogging> the content is obviously not right
[17:01] <boredandblogging> but something along those lines
[17:01] <boredandblogging> thinking LP integration as well
[17:01] <boredandblogging> so people can comment
[17:01] <boredandblogging> and have their names pulled from LP (and whatever else)
[17:01] <boredandblogging> some nice video embedding as well
[17:02] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: also pulling in posts from planet
[17:02] <boredandblogging> and sticking them
[17:02] <boredandblogging> so they are around foever
[17:02] <boredandblogging> forever
[17:03] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, the one objection to the planet that's been raised before is that it's a duplication
[17:03] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, if it wasn't front page stuff, then I don't think it matters
[17:03] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, as in, we can do it
[17:03] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, you'd want to be selective though because not everything on the planet is ubuntu
[17:04] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: exactly, 99.99% of the planet wouldn't show up
[17:04] <tyche> boredandblogging: is there a way to set up sections, and index them?
[17:04] <boredandblogging> just worthwhie posts
[17:05] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, what software is that modeled on? Drupal?
[17:05] <boredandblogging> tyche yes
[17:05] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: yes, all drupal
[17:05] <tyche> GREAT!
[17:05] <boredandblogging> everything would be tagged
[17:05] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, ok. Keeping in mind we have to use the .5 and not the .6 series, I say write it up.
[17:06] <boredandblogging> are there plans for 6.x?
[17:06] <boredandblogging> just asking
[17:06] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, I'm feeling ornery so I might just force the issue on the facelift.  Newz said he was thinking of backporting the intrepid theme but I'd rather the community did all the theming
[17:07] <Rinchen> if we didn't want the events calendar we might be able to upgrade to 6.
[17:07] <Rinchen> I'd have to clear it with our sys admins
[17:07] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: I'm hoping we can have the calendar issue cleared up by the end of the month
[17:07] <Rinchen> the events module doesn't exist with 6
[17:07] <Rinchen> and the event repeat module for 5 has too many security holes to install
[17:07] <boredandblogging> stdin is working on the migration to google calendar
[17:08] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: btw, nicholas, the brainstorm guy is willing to put in the work to do this
[17:08] <Rinchen> sweet.  Write all this up, at UDS if you can, and email it to the list. Be sure to point out any places you need help.  I'll go get the help
[17:09] <Rinchen> Tell Nicholas I said thank you please
[17:09] <Rinchen> and that's cool you got Terrance to do the calendar
[17:09] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: I'm gonna try to have a quick discussion with jono to see if he can gently "nudge" teams to it once it comes to fruition
[17:10] <boredandblogging> cuz I imagine at first it will be just using planet posts, but it provides huge oppportunities for all teams
[17:10] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, He'd like to know about it certainly but asking him to do something with currently non-existent features is a bit much given his workload
[17:11] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: that makes sense
[17:11] <Rinchen> so, show him the mockup and tell him our plans and ask him to stay tuned :-D
[17:11] <boredandblogging> fair enough, thanks
[17:11] <Rinchen> and thanks for doing all of this at UDS
[17:12] <Rinchen> maybe we can do another one in May
[17:12] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: hoping we can have version 1 out by next UDS
[17:12] <boredandblogging> and then discuss ways to improve it
[17:13] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, administratively, we just need a theme file and then give the right people editor access so they can adjust the blocks
[17:13] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, we install the theme file and then Nicholas can turn it on inside
[17:16] <boredandblogging> yeah, I figure we'll get the technical details worked out one way or another, just trying to make sure everything is cleared  up with the stakeholders
[17:17] <Rinchen> thanks boredandblogging for working on this
[17:20] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: np
[19:33]  * newz2000 is in a training session for drupal about dates/calendar
[19:33] <tyche> Study HARD!  Hee hee
[19:34] <newz2000> happy to ask any questions people have
[19:36] <tyche> Basically, how can we make it run recurring events properly, or how to insert a Google calendar into it.  We're talking about the Fridge, so it's probably Drupal 5
[19:37] <newz2000> yeah, I'll ask
[19:41] <tyche> I appreciate it, newz2000.  But I won't hold my breath, considering the security holes there are in the Drupal 5 plugin.
[19:41] <newz2000> it sounds like the solution may be to use CCK to create custom content types
[19:42] <tyche> I don't know.  I'm not ANY kind of a programmer.  I know just enough to get me into a whole lot of trouble, if I could even get something to work at all.
[19:44] <newz2000> we're not quite to the question part yet but I'm listening to the person who wrote the modules
[19:46] <tyche> It would be nice if there were a way to bullet-proof that plugin.
[19:51] <tyche> Ah, well.  Time for me to pick up the Granddaughter.  BBL
[20:24] <newz2000> tyche: CCK / Views2 is the solution, I will play with it in the upcoming days but it won't deploy soon because it needs Drupal 6.
[20:24] <newz2000> ical export has been improved a lot apparently so that should come soon too
[20:25] <newz2000> import from ical sources is in progress but not ready yet
[20:25] <newz2000> however I'm looking at her solution and it appears to be working so if it's not ready yet it can't be far away
[22:03] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: we did a session with Jono
[22:03] <boredandblogging> we are a go
[22:04]  * tyche CHEERS!!!!!!
[22:04] <tyche> Way to go, boredandblogging!!!!!
[22:05] <boredandblogging> emailed stdin to see where he is with the calendar meeting bot, he seems to be working on it
[22:05] <boredandblogging> will check back in a week or so with him
[22:06] <tyche> I KNEW there was a reason we kept you around.  Hee hee
[22:31] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, ping
[22:34] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: yo
[22:36] <Rinchen> hi boredandblogging,  I was just showing Nicholas' mockup to newz2000 and he commented that when he's (newz) is back we should get in touch with him. He has a number of ideas to make it even better based on the class he's in.
[22:36] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: I'll write an email putting us all in it
[22:40] <Rinchen> sounds great boredandblogging
[22:41] <tyche> boredandblogging: This poor excuse for an associate editor presumes to request that he also be copied in, if you please.
[22:42] <boredandblogging> tyche: sure, you and john
[22:42] <tyche> Thanks, boss.
[23:02] <tyche> boredandblogging: See http://www.flickr.com/photos/22090195@N03/3103654354/
[23:20] <boredandblogging> tyche: that is awesome!
[23:23] <tyche> Post THAT to the Fridge.  "Irate Editor".