[03:04] <ubotu> courier-authmysql: Courier Mail Server - MySQL authentication. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.47-13ubuntu5.1 (dapper), package size 51 kB, installed size 188 kB
[03:04] <longwave> mindjuju: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[03:05] <soundgate> I get this message "make: ***No rule specified and no makefile found" when I typed this "make DESTDIR=/usr/local". any idea?
[03:05] <mindjuju> i don't, but just pulled up an FAQ on enabling other repository
[03:05] <silverwizard> anyone know of a good SIP phone available as a Debian Package?
[03:05] <dubiago> anyone know what the default password for root is? i realized when i installed from the Live CD that it never asked me to set a root password
[03:05] <longwave> soundgate: presumably there is no Makefile in the current directory
[03:05] <jolt> Pre Ubuntu, i had problems myself with Knoppix keeping thinking my AV-710 was a Ice1616 and not a 1624
[03:05] <longwave> dubiago: there is no password for root, you should use sudo instead
[03:05] <W_McL> silverwizard: what's about ekiga? it's installed by default
[03:05] <jolt> Actually now i look at it OSS tried to instal the 1616 driver
[03:06] <silverwizard> It seems to only hit one proxy
[03:06] <Skuz`> anyone know of a repository that has beep media player on it?
[03:06] <Skuz`> or if not, xmms?
[03:06] <UPC> anyone have ideas on how to fix installation problems?
[03:06] <silverwizard> I want to use an account that already exists, is there a way for it to go through a prexisting one?
[03:06] <soundgate> but there's a file named Makefile.in in it
[03:06] <jrib> !info beep-media-player
[03:06] <ubotu> beep-media-player: Versatile audio player that supports Winamp skins. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+cvs20050803-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 831 kB, installed size 3592 kB
[03:06] <silverwizard> Skuz, universe has it
[03:06] <Masqy> and how can I check if a certain library is installed i.e. libdvbpsi ?
[03:06] <jrib> Skuz`: universe has bmp
[03:06] <jrib> !universe > Skuz`
[03:06] <Skuz`> oh i was searching for pkg bmp
[03:07] <silverwizard> Applications>Add/Remove should have both under Sound and Video
[03:07] <Skuz`> not beep-media-player
[03:07] <jolt> have you tried adduser from the command line silverwizard?
[03:07] <longwave> Masqy: the same way, libraries are installed as packages
[03:07] <Tennessee> Is anyone here using Edgy?
[03:07] <jrib> Skuz`: yeah, that is why.  xmms is in main by the way
[03:07] <jrib> !edgy
[03:07] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[03:07] <jolt> it will *see* the previous user directory
[03:07] <longwave> Masqy: you can also use "whereis libdvbpsi" for example
[03:07] <silverwizard> No, I will check it out (new to SIP et all)
[03:07] <Skuz`> i couldnt find it lol
[03:07] <Skuz`> or apt couldnt
[03:07] <Tennessee> I'm seriously considering upgrading, but would prefer not to break my desktop. But I would like some of the new packages.
[03:07] <Tennessee> I'm on dapper now.
[03:08] <jrib> Tennessee: #ubuntu+1 can help you better probably
[03:08] <soundgate> longwave: but there's a Makefile.in in my current directory
[03:08] <longwave> Tennessee: there is always the possibility an edgy install will break after any upgrade
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Tennessee:  one word... backup...
[03:08] <jolt> Silver. Nix what i said...
[03:08] <longwave> soundgate: no, Makefiles are just called Makefile. have you run ./configure yet? that usually creates a Makefile for you
[03:08] <sethk> soundgate, you need to do ./configure first, that will create your makefile
[03:08] <Skuz`> awsome
[03:08] <jolt> thought you were trying to create an account on the system for a user that already existed
[03:08] <Skuz`> is bmp-mp3 availible?
[03:08] <soundgate> oh
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> !mp3
[03:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:09] <pianoboy3333> What does the -j2 tag on make do? Is it good for a hyperthreaded computer/
[03:09] <pianoboy3333> ?
[03:09] <DarkTower> Is dapper fully stable for use or are people having problems?
[03:09] <hawkaloogie> DarkTower, no problems as of yet for me
[03:09] <Masqy> "Please note that the installation (make install command) is not mandatory. You can execute VLC from where you compiled it.", well, it seems it is not so dangerous to at least try to compile it
[03:09] <sethk> pianoboy3333, depends whether there is any discoverable parallelism
[03:09] <brendonjt> darktower:  it is fully stable haven't had any problems here
[03:09] <sethk> pianoboy3333, can't hurt
[03:10] <Tennessee> DarkTower: It's pretty good. Just the usual things that crop up with every stable release on the planet from time to time.
[03:10] <Skuz`> one last noob question guys, how do i kill x? do i just go into init 3 ?
[03:10] <sethk> pianoboy3333, but use a higher number than 2
[03:10] <pianoboy3333> sethk: in gnome-system-monitor it shows 2 cpus
[03:10] <Skuz`> or is there an easier way
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> DarkTower: dapper is stable
[03:10] <soundgate> so after ./configure I could now type "make DESTDIR=/usr/local"?
[03:10] <Skuz`> i dont want to loose whats open basically
[03:10] <cafuego> pianoboy3333: I normally use number of cpus times 2
[03:10] <sethk> Skuz`, ubuntu's levels are different.  X is on for levels 2 and above
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> DarkTower: Most injuries are self inflicted.. :)
[03:10] <cafuego> pianoboy3333: So -j 4 on a box with two CPUs.
[03:10] <jmhodges> somebody shoot me
[03:10] <Skuz`> sethk,  oh okay
[03:10] <sethk> pianoboy3333, that doesn't imply that you shouldn't run more than two processes
[03:10] <DarkTower> Thanks all, i think i will upgrade then.
[03:10] <pianoboy3333> cafuego: well, my box is hyperthreaded though
[03:10] <Skuz`> sethk, you know a way i can kill x without rebooting?
[03:10] <cafuego> pianoboy3333: Try and see.
[03:10] <sethk> Skuz`, sure, init 1
[03:10] <pianoboy3333> won't that like, make my box go splody?
[03:10] <Skuz`> that will set single user mode yes?
[03:11] <sethk> Skuz`, or, you can edit /etc/inittab
[03:11] <Skuz`> which means everything i have open closes
[03:11] <cafuego> pianoboy3333: Nope
[03:11] <sethk> Skuz`, yes, init 1 is single user mode.
[03:11] <Skuz`> i should probobly reboot so i dont break everything
[03:11] <ubuntu> could someone please help me mount my win xp drive. i'm using ubuntu live cd
[03:11] <Skuz`> brb
[03:11] <sethk> Skuz`, to avoid that, you need to edit /etc/inittab and then perform a telinit command
[03:11] <cafuego> Rebooting is for windows users.
[03:11] <jmhodges> ok
[03:11] <mindjuju> longwave, that was the prob.  thx for the help
[03:11] <sethk> skuz`which isn't hard to do, and isn't hard to revert, but if you don't mind rebooting, and it's easier for you ...
[03:11] <Jack_Sparrow> !mount
[03:11] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[03:11] <jmhodges> does anyone know why /dev/dsp would show up, but not even cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp would make noise?
[03:11] <cafuego> sethk: he's gone
[03:12] <brendonjt> cafuego: i agree with you there  every 5 min isn't it lol
[03:12] <sethk> cafuego, I give my best advise to people who are gone  :)
[03:12] <soundgate> does anyone here uses wine?
[03:12] <Jack_Sparrow> no
[03:12] <cafuego> sethk: These kids today get tooe xcited and never let you finish your advice, so they mess up.
[03:12] <sethk> cafuego, yes, I've noticed  :)
[03:12] <brianprogrammer> I have a wireless card that works out of the box with ubuntu and I installed Gnome-Network-Manager (I was told it was better than the network manager that comes with ubuntu) but the network manager doesn't seem to recognize my device is even there (i am still connected through the other network manager).
[03:12] <jmhodges> hell, shouldnt it be /dev/dsp0 etc?
[03:13] <sethk> depends on the udev configuration
[03:13] <jmhodges> sethk, hmm.. i have one thats probably from the dapper beta period
[03:13] <sethk> jmhodges, I would expect /dev/dsp0 to be a link to /dev/dsp, anyway
[03:13] <jmhodges> ok
[03:13] <jmhodges> well, fsck
[03:13] <Masqy> on some sites I see two ubuntu packages, which differ on the last character, i.e.  vlc_0.8.5.final.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb and  vlc_0.8.5.final.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb. What are supposed to be the differences ?
[03:14] <cafuego> Masqy: The ubuntu2 has been repackaged to address an issue.
[03:14] <jmhodges> i know its just some stupid config some where
[03:15] <Masqy> ok, thanks for the help...
[03:16] <Spencer> hey guys where can i download a file in apt-get from a windows box?
[03:16] <sethk> Spencer, check the URL's for the repositories
[03:16] <Spencer> sethk, where would it be then?
[03:16] <sethk> Spencer, the repositories?
[03:16] <pluto> Who can help me with setting my refresh rate?
[03:16] <amonkey> my system did one of those every 30 mounts hd scans and it errored out. i ran fsck -pv /dev/sda and it gave me errors about the magic number in the super-block. what do i do?
[03:16] <eZ> Hi all !! :-D
[03:17] <jmhodges> alsright
[03:17] <sethk> Spencer, start at us.archive.ubuntu.com, if you are in the us
[03:17] <hawkaloogie> someone help amonkey, i'm having the same problem
[03:17] <longwave> amonkey: you should not run fsck on /dev/sda, it should be /dev/sda1 or whatever partition number the filesystem is on
[03:17] <hawkaloogie> i had to disable the hard drive for now
[03:17] <DarkTower> Can I upgrade to dapper using the Software Update manager and just click upgrade? or is that a bad way to do it?
[03:17] <amonkey> longwave, that makes sense
[03:17] <hawkaloogie> longwave, the partitions aren't showing up
[03:17] <sethk> amonkey, what file system?
[03:17] <eZ> i gotta stupid problem :-D but...i have no idea how to fix it :-( ..why all my icon under menus are gone ?? ..under Application or System...there's only text...as it looks Ubuntu can't find them :-(
[03:18] <amonkey> sethk, ext3,but imay have been providing the wrong device, hang on
[03:18] <sethk> amonkey, ok
[03:18] <brendonjt> pluto: system->pref->screen res
[03:18] <amonkey> sethk, looks to be working with correct device, my fault
[03:18] <amonkey> longwave, that was it, thanks
[03:18] <hawkaloogie> bah!
[03:18] <sethk> amonkey, ok
[03:19] <soundgate> im trying to install ncurses. I got an error that the dir /ncurses5.5/objects/cursesf.o does not exist. how the heck can I resolve that?
[03:19] <sethk> hawkaloogie, is yours' the wrong device also?  :)
[03:19] <amonkey> longwave, i did /dev/sda1 but it's just hanging there.'
[03:19] <amonkey> longwave, i said verbose, shouldn't i be getting some feedback?
[03:19] <ubuntu> !mount
[03:19] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[03:19] <sethk> soundgate, you are installing it with apt-get?
[03:19] <pluto> brendonjt: I did this, but the refresh rate only goes to 75 and I want to set it at 85 (like I had under windows)
[03:19] <hawkaloogie> sethk, no, there are no partitions showing up on /dev/hdd
[03:19] <eZ> can anyone help me please.. :( ?
[03:19] <jmhodges> does Dapper use OSS or ALSA by deaflut? its ALSA, right?
[03:19] <Tennessee> Is there a live CD for edgy at the moment?
[03:19] <sethk> hawkaloogie, but /dev/hdd exists?
[03:19] <Skuz`> !ntfs
[03:19] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[03:19] <hawkaloogie> sethk, yes
[03:20] <soundgate> sethk no I did wget.
[03:20] <jolt> Tenn. i got the daily build for Edgy and the Live CD installer bombs
[03:20] <brendonjt> pluto: i found that out as well
[03:20] <sethk> soundgate, you could create the directory, but I doubt that's your only issue
[03:20] <jolt> Right near the end with a python error
[03:20] <cabuloso> wich one is better, easyubuntu or automatix ?
[03:20] <hawkaloogie> sethk, gparted showing all unallocated, the partition table probably got whacked meaning i probably lost all data...
[03:20] <sethk> hawkaloogie, fdisk -l /dev/hdd shows what?
[03:21] <longwave> amonkey: fsck shouldn't hang, no. run "dmesg" in another terminal, is there any output about sda at the bottom?
[03:21] <sethk> hawkaloogie, well, remember, losing the partition table doesn't actually erase anything
[03:21] <sethk> hawkaloogie, if can be reconstructed, and if nothing else happened, all the data is still there.
[03:21] <hawkaloogie> sethk, cannot open /dev/hdd
[03:21] <Tennessee> jolt: Bummer. Just for my info, where did you get it from? I can't find anything downloadable and don't feel like risking my install at the moment...
[03:21] <sethk> hawkaloogie, try it with sudo   sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[03:21] <jolt> Tenn: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> cabuloso: Neither are good
[03:21] <hawkaloogie> sethk, w/ sudo: doesn't contain a valid partition table
[03:22] <Tennessee> jolt: Thanks! I'll try it just in case. If it flies, I want the new packages.
[03:22] <amonkey> longwave, it apparently finished, no messages like i was expecting. wanted me to run it without -p, it's fixing inodes with corrupted orphans or something
[03:22] <longwave> Tennessee, jolt: for the record i installed dapper in a vmware machine the other day then dist-upgraded to edgy and it seems to be working okay
[03:22] <hawkaloogie> sethk, if i knew exactly what partitions were on the disk, can i make the partition table again?
[03:22] <sethk> hawkaloogie, yes
[03:22] <jolt> I shoulda done it in a VM
[03:22] <hawkaloogie> sethk, parted would work for this?
[03:22] <sethk> hawkaloogie, might, but fdisk is a lot easier
[03:22] <Tennessee> longwave: With nvidia?
[03:22] <hawkaloogie> sethk, okay, thanks
[03:22] <sethk> hawkaloogie, do you know the partition layout?
[03:23] <longwave> Tennessee: no i haven't played with video card drivers yet
[03:23] <hawkaloogie> sethk, it was all one big ext3 partition
[03:23] <Skuz`> hmm
[03:23] <sethk> hawkaloogie, oh, that's trivial
[03:23] <Skuz`> I dont know what hdx my ntfs drive is
[03:23] <sethk> hawkaloogie, just do   sudo fdisk /dev/hdd
[03:23] <eZ> please..if someone can help me...query me..
[03:23] <longwave> Tennessee: this was just for testing in vmware to see if it would work :)
[03:23] <Skuz`> is there anyway to find out?
[03:23] <sethk> hawkaloogie, then, at the menu, create a partition, and take the default starting and stopping sectors
[03:23] <cabuloso> Jack_Sparrow: what do you suggest ?
[03:23] <sethk> hawkaloogie, select primary, partition 1
[03:24] <corndog_> I'm having full system freezes when burning CD's through k3d and gnomebaker. I am able to burn via nautilus... I've followed this guide but I'm still having issues http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217472&highlight=cd+burner+driver
[03:24] <Jack_Sparrow> cabuloso: what are you trying to do?
[03:24] <sethk> hawkaloogie, if it asks for the type, linux which is I believe hex 82
[03:24] <Tennessee> longwave: no worries. I'd just go for it, but if I root my system, I won't be too popular here at work while I'm taking downtime to fix it.
[03:24] <hawkaloogie> sethk, 82 is swap, 83 is linux
[03:24] <cabuloso> Jack_Sparrow: did a fresh install and need multimedia support and stuff...
[03:25] <sethk> hawkaloogie, ok, I always get those backwards, but the menu will tell you
[03:25] <hawkaloogie> sethk, but 85 is "linux extended" huh?
[03:25] <Eroick> Hey, has anyone used Fruity Loops or a simular program (synth)? Is there a simular program for Linux that lets you lay down drum lines and melodies?
[03:25] <sethk> hawkaloogie, not what you want
[03:25] <Jack_Sparrow> cabuloso: drop in the live cd and click on install
[03:25] <sethk> hawkaloogie, unlikely that it is extended, although some brain dead automatic partitioners do that
[03:25] <Skuz`> how can i figure out what /dev one of my unmounted hard drives is?
[03:25] <hawkaloogie> sethk, okay, so it's that definition of "extended"
[03:26] <hawkaloogie> sethk, didn't ask for a partition type, does it use 83 by default?
[03:26] <Jack_Sparrow> cabuloso: THe bot has breat info on mp3 and other restricted formats
[03:26] <Jack_Sparrow> !mp3
[03:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:26] <sethk> hawkaloogie, because of an absurd decision by IBM and microsoft many years ago, there is only space for four real (primary) partitions
[03:26] <hawkaloogie> sethk, yeah, that's the extended thing
[03:26] <sethk> hawkaloogie, yes, the default type should be linux.  do p  (print) to display the partition table and make sure it says 83
[03:26] <sethk> hawkaloogie, right, to get more than four, you create on "extended" partition, and create logical partitions within it
[03:27] <hawkaloogie> sethk, okay, then "w" for write
[03:27] <sethk> hawkaloogie, that's foolish if you have four or fewer partitions
[03:27] <sethk> hawkaloogie, right
[03:27] <sethk> hawkaloogie, if it doesn't look right, we can create an extended partition, and then a logical partition for the entire drive, but I think primary is more likely so try that first
[03:27] <sethk> hawkaloogie, you'll want to do a _read only_ fsck after saving the partition table.
[03:27] <amonkey> longwave, fsck -yv /dev/sda1 cleared it all up, thanks
[03:27] <sethk> hawkaloogie, don't try to mount it, as that writes
[03:28] <hawkaloogie> sethk, okay, was wondering why it still shows no partitions
[03:28] <sethk> hawkaloogie, it doesn't, I hope.  :)
[03:28] <jmhodges> woot!
[03:28] <sethk> hawkaloogie, you mean you didn't realize you had to display again, I assume
[03:28] <jmhodges> i just had to check the IEC* stuff towards the end of my alsa thing
[03:29] <hawkaloogie> sethk, no, i tried ls -l /dev/hdd* and only showed the device, no partitions
[03:29] <brianprogrammer> Hi
[03:29] <sethk> hawkaloogie, after doing the w in fdisk?
[03:29] <Eroick> so is there a program that lets you do technoish synth?
[03:29] <hawkaloogie> sethk, yes
[03:29] <brianprogrammer> I am wondering how I get the signal strength to properly show up with the network monitor applet
[03:29] <sethk> hawkaloogie, that's a very bad sign
[03:29] <sethk> hawkaloogie, something is seriously wrong there
[03:29] <longwave> brianprogrammer: some network drivers do not yet support signal strength readings, so it may not be possible
[03:30] <hawkaloogie> sethk, as i surmised, yay maxtor
[03:30] <sethk> hawkaloogie, is this an old drive?
[03:30] <amonkey> i'm at the Disks Manager in gnome, but when i goto the partitions tab on my new drive, the 'create' button is greyed out. what do i do?
[03:30] <brianprogrammer> longwave, brian@DFK1811:~$ iwconfig
[03:30] <brianprogrammer> lo        no wireless extensions.
[03:30] <brianprogrammer> wlan0     IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"T7r56bY2pGF9X"  Nickname:"okuwlan"
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:06:25:97:B9:44
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Bit Rate:11 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Retry limit:8   RTS thr=1536 B   Fragment thr=1536 B
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Power Management:off
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Link Quality=0/0  Signal level=105/255  Noise level=0/0
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[03:30] <brianprogrammer>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[03:30] <longwave> !paste
[03:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:30] <brianprogrammer> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[03:30] <brianprogrammer> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[03:30] <aaron> I'm having an issue with my Dapper router/server machine.  It provides DNS and DHCP via dnsmasq, and NAT via Guidedog.  When any of the machines on the internal network run Bittorrent, somewhere within 5 minutes to 1 hour the machine will lock hard, refusing to come out of screensaver.  The ram checks good in memtest...anyone have experience with this issue?
[03:30] <hawkaloogie> sethk, younger than the WD 40gig and Maxtor 120 gig
[03:30] <brianprogrammer> oops sorry about that
[03:30] <hawkaloogie> sethk, (and the WD 40 gig has a broken pin...)
[03:31] <sethk> hawkaloogie, try dumping out the SMART data for the drive, sounds like a hardware issue
[03:31] <brianprogrammer> if i run iwconfig
[03:31] <brianprogrammer> i get a signal strength reported
[03:31] <brianprogrammer> Signal level=105/255
[03:31] <longwave> brianprogrammer: "link quality" is the signal strength that the network applet displays, that is the strength reading
[03:31] <sethk> hawkaloogie, you could exchange some cables to make sure it isn't an IDE interface issue.
[03:31] <sethk> hawkaloogie, that's unlikely, but possible
[03:31] <brianprogrammer> is there any way to get it to display the one that says "signal level" ?
[03:31] <hawkaloogie> sethk, unlikely, the slave is still working fine
[03:31] <pluto>  Can anyone recommend a good book  to help.  I'd like to learn more about what can be done from the command line and shells.
[03:32] <sethk> hawkaloogie, forget that, then
[03:32] <hawkaloogie> sethk, i think i'll just give up on it
[03:32] <NullVector> anyone know how i can change teh font color of my task bars/panels?
[03:32] <sethk> hawkaloogie, do check that if it's an EIDE cable, both drives are jumpered for cable select
[03:32] <Kragnerac> Hello, Is there anyway to get virtual Video Memory?
[03:32] <brianprogrammer> Because my adapter doesn't report the link quality, however it reports the values to signal level
[03:32] <hawkaloogie> sethk, if that was bad it would show up in bios and the device wouldn't be anywhere
[03:32] <sethk> Kragnerac, there are a very few graphics adapters that can do it.
[03:32] <longwave> brianprogrammer: not that i know of, if there is nothing in the applet properties then i doubt it
[03:32] <warbuscommando> pluto, I found "Linux In a Nutshell" to be rather helpful, but it's more of a reference than a walkthrough
[03:32] <Meez> yo, having problems playing flac files in quod libet, trying to install gstreamer-flac, but get a "E: Package gstreamer-flac has no installation candidate", oh, and I'm on dapper, any ideas?
[03:32] <angel12> do atmel cards need the firmware in dapper?
[03:32] <sethk> hawkaloogie, not necessarily.  I've seen cases where the result was similar to what you are describing
[03:33] <Masqy> has someone here copiled VLC recently? Should I really compile&install ~15 other packages before I can compile VLC?
[03:33] <nalioth> brianprogrammer: please read the /topic when you enter a channel on IRC.  It's usually the first thing you see upon entering a channel.
[03:33] <hawkaloogie> sethk, weird. would it spontaneously manifest after an fsck?
[03:33] <sethk> hawkaloogie, not that part, the part of writing the partition table and then not seeing it.  If the drive used to work, I'd say you are correct.
[03:33] <NullVector> Masqy - VLC is in the add remove programs
[03:34] <longwave> Masqy: you can probably install the -dev packages for those unless they are specific vlc 0.8.5 versions
[03:34] <pluto> warbuscommand: Thanks.
[03:34] <hawkaloogie> sethk, final question: i've heard seagate is the most reliable drives on the market, any opin?
[03:34] <sethk> hawkaloogie, my experience is that all the vendors have bad runs occasionally.
[03:34] <Masqy> NullVector: thanks,I know : )
[03:34] <longwave> hawkaloogie: that's a loaded question, there is no one bad manufacturer :)
[03:35] <hawkaloogie> sure there is, maxtor
[03:35] <sethk> hawkaloogie, I've not personally had problems with seagate, and I have with maxtor and wd, but my sample size is too small to mean anything
[03:35] <Masqy> longwave: they say that only the official ones on their site are supported, but I'll try to install whatever I can with the apt-get
[03:35] <longwave> hawkaloogie: i have two dead seagate drives and two working maxtor ones, so that's not my experience ;)
[03:35] <hawkaloogie> take a larger sample size and i've seen more people have problems with maxtor than any other brand, followed by WD, followed by seagate
[03:35] <mhenning8> Can anyone help me with getting wireless to work on my laptop with UBUNTU?
[03:35] <angel12> mhenning8, what wireless chip do you have?
[03:36] <hawkaloogie> longwave, c'est la vie and caveat emptor i guess, but i've got an ancient wd drive that's my main workhorse still going strong, perhaps they've earned my respect
[03:36] <hawkaloogie> thanks again all
[03:36] <mhenning8> Dell wireless 1350 it's a dell inspiron 600m
[03:36] <sethk> hawkaloogie, wd has had some awful runs
[03:36] <angel12> mhenning8, its a broadcom 43xx chip
[03:37] <Harksaw> So everything I've read says that to take advantage of both my cores on my Pentium D for folding@home, I need to install the folding@home client twice, in two different directories. When i try to do this, it says it
[03:37] <Harksaw> it's already installed and wont install again. Ideas?
[03:37] <angel12> mhenning8, there are a few decent guides on the forums, i havent set one up in a long time, not since the drivers were cracked.
[03:38] <longwave> angel12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[03:38] <jikuty> alrighty-- xubuntu is being installed on that old pc
[03:38] <goldenflaw> hello, anyone have the following problem? 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001c (rev 01) from lspci
[03:38] <longwave> angel12: that guide (or an earlier version of it) worked well for my bcm43xx chip
[03:38] <angel12> longwave, not me, mhenning8
[03:38] <Supremacy> anyone use widgets in here?
[03:38] <amonkey> i just formated a 460gb partition with xfs in about 2 seconds. is this normal? i expected it to take much much longer.
[03:38] <sethk> goldenflaw, that's not a problem
[03:38] <damn_hot> hello room, ive got a problem with ubuntu, my friend gave me this ubuntu CD v6.06 LTS and after i setup and install ubuntu on a seperate partition, the installion finishes and restart the system, after it boots, i choose ubunto from the boot options and when ubuntu came, it asks me for username & pass, but when i enter the user name and pass during ubuntu setup it says, username/password mismatch ... what is wrong with this ?
[03:38] <longwave> oh, sorry :)
[03:38] <longwave> mhenning8: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[03:38] <goldenflaw> seth: what is it?
[03:39] <goldenflaw> sethk: my wireless doesn't work anyhow I believe it has something to do with that?
[03:39] <sethk> goldenflaw, a normal lspci output line
[03:39] <sethk> goldenflaw, no, nothing at all to do with that
[03:39] <mhenning8> Wow, that looks pretty helpfull longwave, surprised I did not stumble into that earlier today :)
[03:39] <sethk> goldenflaw, all that means is that it looked up the vendor and device ids and didn't find them in it's database
[03:39] <mhenning8> I will beat on it with this, and Ill check back if I still have problems
[03:39] <sethk> goldenflaw, which happens for lots of newer hardware
[03:39] <goldenflaw> sethk: ahh, I see
[03:39] <longwave> mhenning8: it worked well for me; you probably want the "new broadcom driver" route rather than ndiswrapper
[03:40] <goldenflaw> sethk: I have a MacBook, I can receive packets from wireless source, but can't, for some reason, send packets
[03:40] <longwave> mhenning8: and yes, feel free to come back and ask if you get stuck with it :)
[03:40] <goldenflaw> sethk: Any idea?
[03:40] <sethk> goldenflaw, encryption key mismatch, perhaps?
[03:41] <goldenflaw> sethk: what does that mean? :P
[03:41] <goldenflaw> sethk: rather, how do I fix that?
[03:41] <inlanderf> anyone experience with deploying os commerce
[03:41] <longwave> damn_hot: are you 100% sure you're typing the username and password you set? what was the username? were there any "special characters" (other than numbers or english letters) in the password?
[03:41] <sethk> goldenflaw, what do you mean exactly by the statement that you can receive but not send?
[03:41] <angel12> does anyone here use an atmel card with dapper?
[03:42] <Masqy> but isn't there a way to install another 'installation tree' program, to which it shall be possible to install any package without affecting your system?
[03:42] <damn_hot> longwave: on my left screen there is * Options and in the right screen there is server // Wed, Aug 30 time
[03:42] <damn_hot> i am 100 % the username and my password is correct
[03:42] <sethk> Masqy, you can have two installs on the same box.  You can have two root file systems, which is what you mean I think
[03:42] <sethk> Masqy, and you can use chroot to select one, and updates will not impact the other
[03:42] <goldenflaw> sethk: when I check the "connection property", there's Activity that describes the received and sent packets, only the received packets number increases, the sent packets remains null
[03:42] <longwave> Masqy: you could read up about "chroot jails"
[03:43] <sethk> goldenflaw, that can be because of a key mismatch.  You'll receive, because you are not asking for a key, but the access point won't ack you, because the key doesn't match.
[03:43] <Masqy> sethk, longwave: why jails?
[03:43] <goldenflaw> sethk: how do I proceed do fix a key mismatch?
[03:43] <sethk> Masqy, the name "jail" is intended to convey to you that changes in one part can't "escape" to the other part
[03:43] <inlanderf> anyone experience with deploying os commerce
[03:44] <goldenflaw> to*
[03:44] <Supremacy> anyone use widgets in here?
[03:44] <sethk> goldenflaw, set the key.  :)  People here can tell you how.
[03:44] <goldenflaw> sethk: thanks :P
[03:44] <damn_hot> its my first time running Ubuntu and i cant login from the 1st boot :( ... i think ubuntu is not meant for me :p
[03:45] <goldenflaw> How may I fix a key mismatch (wireless)?
[03:45] <brianprogrammer> Hi, how can I get the source for the gnome network monitor applet?
[03:45] <sethk> goldenflaw, ask the more generic question, "how do I set my key"
[03:45] <damn_hot> oh! longwave it says "The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen."
[03:46] <angel12> well, i keep trying to get an ip on my atmel wifi card and i cant get one.
[03:46] <goldenflaw> How do I set my key?
[03:47] <damn_hot> hello?
[03:47] <brendonjt> hello
[03:47] <TheGame> hello
[03:47] <Huck> hello
[03:47] <hawkaloogie> goodbye
[03:47] <longwave> brianprogrammer: "apt-get source gnome-netstatus-applet"
[03:47] <TheGame> Hey!
[03:47] <goldenflaw> May anyone help me set my key?
[03:48] <brianprogrammer> and then what would I do to modify view/modify the source?
[03:48] <brianprogrammer> where would it be located?
[03:48] <Supremacy> i guess not
[03:48] <TheGame> goldenflaw: what key
[03:48] <goldenflaw> TheGame: wireless key i believe
[03:48] <zxc> I have a FAT32 Partition..where would it be in Ubuntu?
[03:48] <TheGame> wireless key for what?
[03:49] <sethk> TheGame, he means the wireless ethernet key
[03:49] <brendonjt> zxc:is it mounted?
[03:49] <TheGame> oh
[03:49] <zxc> brendonjt: I don't know :/
[03:49] <Rookie-> [03:45]  <damn_hot> oh! longwave it says "The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen." <<--- sounds like windows ... *grins evily*
[03:49] <TheGame> so basically he needs network-manager?
[03:49] <Huck> zxc look for /dev/hdd or /dev/hdd1 would probably be something like that..
[03:49] <brendonjt> zxc:it would more than likely have to be mounted
[03:50] <damn_hot> Rookie- : it is not windows... it is unbuntu login screen.
[03:50] <goldenflaw> TheGame: It's at the library, for some reason, I can only receive packets, but not send them
[03:50] <damn_hot> and that message was exactly what ubuntu says.
[03:50] <Rookie-> ohh? hmm ... root not allowed .. ? hmmm
[03:50] <TheGame> ur at the library goldenflaw ?
[03:50] <zxc> brendonjt: How can I mount it? (I can see it in /dev/desk/by-label but I can't access it)
[03:50] <goldenflaw> TheGame: no, I am at home right now
[03:51] <sethk> damn_hot, lot in as other than root, then use sudo or su
[03:51] <TheGame> so i dont understand what u want to do
[03:51] <TheGame> u want to setup wireless?
[03:51] <brendonjt> huck: i've had problems with  mounting fat32  it has to mounted ubuntu  does'nt  mount  them by default
[03:51] <goldenflaw> TheGame: yes, so it works when I am at my library
[03:51] <TheGame> oh ok
[03:51] <TheGame> what computer r u running ubuntu on
[03:51] <damn_hot> sethk, then what will the password be for sudo
[03:51] <sethk> damn_hot, the user's (not root, the logged in user's) password
[03:52] <brendonjt> zxc:what is the partition or drive ie hdb1 hdb2 hda2 hda3 etc
[03:52] <sethk> damn_hot, which makes no sense, I know, but that's how it is set up.
[03:52] <damn_hot> during installation, it asks me fpr user name and password, i used that. why i cant login
[03:53] <goldenflaw> TheGame: my Laptop, MacBook
[03:53] <sethk> damn_hot, no idea.  you said you were having a problem, can't log in as root
[03:53] <Huck> brendonjt, your right, I've followed the ubuntuguide.org in order to mount mine
[03:53] <zxc> brendonjt: I don't know exactly...how can I check?
[03:53] <sethk> damn_hot, what happens when you try to log in as the user/password you used?
[03:53] <AndrukTatum> on my other computer, my eth0 card isnt working, does anybody know how to configure it?
[03:53] <damn_hot> it says "incorrect username / password .. : something liek that.
[03:53] <brendonjt> zxc:system->admin->disks
[03:53] <AndrukTatum> dapper
[03:54] <brendonjt> zxc:it will list all your drives and the partitions
[03:54] <sethk> AndrukTatum, not without more information.  try ifconfig -a on the box, see if it shows up in the list
[03:55] <AndrukTatum> sethk: ifconfig -a command not found
[03:55] <goldenflaw> TheGame: 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT, if it is useful
[03:55] <shinta42> benc, you there?
[03:55] <sethk> AndrukTatum, try  /sbin/ifconfig -a
[03:55] <AndrukTatum> no such file or directory
[03:55] <zxc> Disc Manager is slow :/
[03:56] <sethk> AndrukTatum, sounds like networking isn't installed
[03:56] <damn_hot> sethk : after the installation is finished, the system reboots, and i choose normal ubuntu from the boot options and when then a login screen appears, is this normal on a 1st installation ?
[03:56] <brendonjt> zxc:yip itis scanning ur hdd's  and your ide ports
[03:56] <sethk> AndrukTatum, which would explain why the card doesn't show up.  although I'm curious about how you would know it doesn't show up if ifconfig isn't available
[03:56] <zxc> brendonjt: nvm...I'll just use windows to do it...thanks anyway though
[03:58] <pluto> When I'm in a directory under my home directory and I want to return to the root direcotry, what is the easiest way to do so?
[03:58] <sethk> damn_hot, not on the first reboot
[03:58] <sethk> damn_hot, it should install bunches of stuff
[03:58] <AndrukTatum> sethk: im in gnome, and in the (sry, win...s term:) system tray in the upper right toolbar thing it has a networking monitor and it has a red x over it, and when i double click it, it tries to configure a ppp connection, and doesnt have an eth0 connection
[03:58] <brendonjt> pluto cd /
[03:58] <corndog_> I've finally given up on 64bit ubuntu and would like to downgrade/reinstall 32bit... any suggestions on how to backup or save my existing modifications?
[03:59] <AndrukTatum> sethk: oh, and firefox doesnt do anything, not even my router
[03:59] <sethk> AndrukTatum, that's odd, I'm not sure how you got there.  but if ifconfig doesn't exist on the machine, something went wrong with the installation.
[03:59] <damn_hot> ok... im reinstalling it again.
[03:59] <damn_hot> bbl. ^^
[03:59] <sethk> AndrukTatum, of course not, it has nowhere to send things to
[03:59] <longwave> pluto: "cd /" will take you to the root, just "cd" will take you to your home
[03:59] <sethk> AndrukTatum, double check,  do:   find / -name ifconfig         make sure it doesn't exist anywhere on the box
[03:59] <pluto> brendonjt: thanks again!
[04:00] <brendonjt> pluto:  no worries
[04:00] <Huck> brendonjt, do etc3 drives get mounted automatically? just curious
[04:01] <brendonjt> huck: umm nope  mine didn't had to edit the fstab  to do it, seems  ubuntu  just does the first ide hdd  weird though
[04:01] <ubuntu> cool
[04:01] <ubuntu> hi
[04:01] <AndrukTatum> sethk: i t couldnt access a lot of directories, so im now sudo and did it, and it taking a long time
[04:02] <ubuntu> YOooooooooo
[04:02] <brendonjt> huck: ya need a hand with that?
[04:02] <ubuntu> Linux Live Cd is shiiiiiii
[04:02] <ubuntu> :|
[04:02] <sethk> AndrukTatum, it's normal for that to take several minutes,
[04:02] <sethk> AndrukTatum, it's a slow check but also a definitive one
[04:02] <brendonjt> ubuntu: why you say that
[04:02] <ubuntu> erm
[04:02] <ubuntu> i dono
[04:02] <Huck> brendonjt, no, I've got FAT32 drives as internals for storage, I was just curious. Thank you though :D
[04:02] <ubuntu> first time using linux
[04:02] <ubuntu> and im bored
[04:02] <ubuntu> i messed up trying to install linux
[04:02] <ubuntu> and there was an error
[04:03] <ubuntu> so i cant load up xp =(
[04:03] <AndrukTatum> Warning, hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver.  automatically turning on find's -noleaf option.  earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched
[04:03] <sethk> ubuntu, boot windows from cd and do  fdisk/mbr
[04:03] <brendonjt> ubuntu: boot to repair console from ur winxp  and type fdisk /mbr
[04:03] <ubuntu> wat
[04:03] <DarkTower> The Upgrade to
[04:03] <DarkTower> Dapper says it will remove Mysql common, does that mean i will lose all my tables?
[04:03] <ubuntu> what do i do
[04:04] <brendonjt> huck: oh ok  i had fat32  but reformatted my drive to ext3
[04:04] <ubuntu> i dont have winxp cd with me
[04:04] <auk> ubotu, gstreamer-0.10-plugins-ugly
[04:04] <Muhamer> i dont have win xp cd with me
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamer-0.10-plugins-ugly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <auk> err
[04:04] <AndrukTatum> sethk: Warning, hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched
[04:04] <auk> !gstreamer-0.10-plugins-ugly
[04:04] <brendonjt> muhamer:  ok  umm how did you stuff it up
[04:04] <Jack_Sparrow> corndog_: You should be able to install 386 or 686
[04:04] <Huck> brendonjt, yea, I need to share mine with windows, or I'd do the same.
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamer-0.10-plugins-ugly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <Ricesteam> How do I get true transparency with gnome-terminal?
[04:04] <Muhamer> umm
[04:05] <Muhamer> are u pming me
[04:05] <Muhamer> just so i dont bother other ppl by spamming :|
[04:05] <sethk> AndrukTatum, you can ignore that, /proc is a pseudo file system
[04:05] <CSWookie> Does the live CD not have xterm?
[04:05] <longwave> !info gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[04:05] <ubotu> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly: GStreamer plugins from the "ugly" set. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.3-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 176 kB, installed size 484 kB
[04:05] <brendonjt> muhamer:  no i'm not
[04:05] <DarkTower> Will I lose any mysql tables in the upgrade to dapper? it says it will remove mysql common in the upgrade process
[04:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Muhamer: bootdisk.com
[04:05] <Muhamer> =|
[04:05] <CSWookie> There it is.
[04:05] <Muhamer> i got 5 ppl telling me different things
[04:06] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[04:06] <brendonjt> huck: pitty windows doesn't do other fs  formats
[04:06] <AndrukTatum> sethk: k, no results
[04:06] <auk> Muhamer: if you're talking to me, i'm am talking to ubotu [sic] , a bot on this channel
[04:06] <longwave> DarkTower: you shouldn't do, the mysql-server package should own the tables - is mysql-common being replaced by a newer version?
[04:06] <CSWookie> brendonjt: It does.
[04:06] <Muhamer> u talk to bots..
[04:06] <Muhamer> o
[04:06] <Jack_Sparrow> !boot
[04:06] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:06] <CSWookie> brendonjt: There ae drivers for ext2, for example.
[04:06] <Huck> brendonjt, yea, but that's the beauty of ubuntu/linux... it's "backwards" compatible :)
[04:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes we do
[04:07] <leed> I get a .patch file. So how to use it with patch command
[04:07] <AndrukTatum> ubotu: will you marry me?
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about will you marry me? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <Muhamer> w.e this isnt helping me ill wait for my friend to hel pme
[04:07] <AndrukTatum> lol
[04:07] <brendonjt> CSwookie: ok  what i was meaning was default  would be nice
[04:07] <DarkTower> longwave: thanks, yes im just checking that. it wouldnt be normal to delete tables or anything would it?
[04:07] <edju> Strangest thing - on the laptop, insert a commercial data cd, Scrabble game, Netgear insallation, etc, and it's mounted and is read w/o a hitch.  Insert a Linux livcd, knoppix, ubuntu, etc. and ubuntu sees it as a blank cd.  Mounts OK on a desktop machine.  Anybody w/ a hint?
[04:07] <longwave> leed: generally just cd to the folder to patch, the "patch < file.patch"
[04:07] <brendonjt> huck: yip  that's right, even the OSx  will read ntfs/fat32
[04:08] <longwave> DarkTower: no, it shouldn't do that at all - even if you uninstall most packages any actual data you create usually gets left behind, so you can reinstall later and it will still work
[04:08] <DarkTower> longwave: thanks for the help
[04:08] <longwave> DarkTower: if you are upgrading a previous release to dapper though, i suggest you take a backup of anything vital just in case
[04:09] <Psykus> trying to get an FM tuner working right, using gnomeradio, and it seems to be working, tuning it to a known station shows the signal strength go to max, but I cant get any audio
[04:09] <leed> longwave: It ask me to give the file to patch. So what  I should give, the src file or the bin file
[04:10] <Psykus> poking around in alsamixer now, looking to see if anything is muted, but I have no clue what it would be called
[04:10] <auk> mp3 support is in... gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer-0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse, or gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3?
[04:10] <bintut> is there an ubuntu irc channel that discusses about embedded linux?
[04:10] <AndrukTatum> sethk: any ideas?
[04:10] <longwave> leed: what are you trying to patch? patch generally handles source code patches..
[04:10] <sethk> AndrukTatum, if it's a new installation, I would repeat the installation, as something is very wrong
[04:10] <auk> (well, i know it's in the fluendo pkg, but what's the difference from the ugly packages and why would i choose one over teh other?)
[04:10] <sethk> bintut, I don't know of one off hand.  I've done a lot of embedded work, you can pm me if you like
[04:11] <AndrukTatum> sethk: ive had this install for awhile, but i wouldnt mind reinstalling it.  ill get to it, thanks a million!
[04:11] <leed> longwave: rox-filer. It cann't deal with the non utf8 file. It cann't work now, and it will restart my X. So I found a patch.
[04:12] <CSWookie> brendonjt: It would be nice, but since you're but a google search away...
[04:12] <brendonjt> CSwookie: i don't use windows yuk, just ubuntu
[04:13] <CSWookie> brendonjt: Must be rough when you have to veiw a web site in IE.
[04:13] <brendonjt> CSwookie: you got that right all those security holes, and bugs, eeeww
[04:14] <CSWookie> brendonjt: Eh.
[04:15] <Psykus> trying to get an FM tuner working under ubuntu, using gnomeradio, and it seems to be working, tuning it to a known station shows the signal strength go to max, but I cant get any audio..poking around in alsamixer now, not seeing anything
[04:15] <brendonjt> CSwookie: and i myself and the people that i have set up ubuntu on there machine wonder why they hadn't made the change earlier
[04:15] <CSWookie> brendonjt: Whatever.  Just don't put it on the wubs.
[04:15] <longwave> leed: you should probably download the source with "apt-get source rox-filer", then apply the patch, then compile it from there
[04:15] <brendonjt> CSwookie: wubs??
[04:15] <CSWookie> brendonjt: The intarwubs.
[04:16] <brendonjt> CSwookie: lol
[04:16] <CSWookie> Well, lets see if fsck did the job it was designed for.
[04:19] <CSWookie> God protect the rocket house and all who dwell within he rocket house!
[04:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Long live the rockettes...
[04:20] <Skuz`> anyone mind sharing a good terminal mp3 player with me?
[04:20] <Skuz`> i've got juke installed but it wont add anything to queue
[04:20] <Psykus> anyone else in here use an fm tuner in ubuntu?
[04:20] <Skuz`> i had used one once that worked really well
[04:20] <AndrukTatum> they should make IE for linux, so when all the 31337 hackzorz try to find the C drive, they get nuked
[04:20] <Skuz`> lol AndrukTatum
[04:20] <AndrukTatum> does anybody know if wine can run IE?
[04:21] <AndrukTatum> because, i totally trust Billy Gates to secure my computer.
[04:21] <leed> longwave: so i should download the src file, and then patch the file
[04:21] <Jack_Sparrow> AndrukTatum: not the latest.. 5.5 maybe.. but WHY would you do that to a ANY pc
[04:21] <Muhamer> Anyone here
[04:21] <DarkMageZ> AndrukTatum, yeah, wine can run internet exploder, alot of web dev's have to test their stuff with it...
[04:21] <Muhamer> that can help me
[04:21] <bartel> can someone help me with wireless on dapper?
[04:21] <longwave> leed: presuming the patch is for the source version, yes
[04:21] <bartel> im getting Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth
[04:21] <Fuller> Hello.
[04:21] <longwave> AndrukTatum: yes, there are installers for various IE versions under wine
[04:21] <Muhamer> no helpers.
[04:21] <Muhamer> =(
[04:22] <leed> longwave: thanks
[04:22] <Fuller> I was wondering if anyone could tell me the option to free up my terminal when I type sudo gedit
[04:22] <peteweez> clear
[04:22] <bartel> sudo gedit &
[04:22] <syllogism> Is there a better build system then gnu auto{conf,make,header} ?
[04:22] <peteweez> oh serialize
[04:22] <longwave> Fuller: ctrl-Z then type "bg" so gedit doesn't stop
[04:22] <Fuller> ah, the & sign. maybe that's it.
[04:22] <shawnr_> anyone know of a good java irc chan?
[04:22] <brendonjt> muhamer:  wots your problem, we tried
[04:22] <longwave> Fuller: if you want to run commands like that you can just press alt-f2 as well
[04:22] <syllogism> because this is just a pain in the @$$ to setup properly
[04:22] <Skuz`> So whats a good terminal mp3 player?
[04:22] <bartel> ctrl-z bg does the same thing
[04:22] <Muhamer> bren
[04:22] <Skuz`> juke isnt working out for me atm
[04:22] <Muhamer> wait
[04:22] <Muhamer> :P
[04:22] <Fuller> hm. i'll try that too bartel and longwave.
[04:22] <peteweez> skuz: mplayer
[04:23] <geomarcomputers> can someone please help me find an IDE SATA card supported by ubuntu ?
[04:23] <bartel> dapper wireless?
[04:23] <amonkey_> my 460gb partition formatted with xfs in about 2 seconds. is this right/normal? i expected it to take longer
[04:23] <AndrukTatum> lmfao, thats really funny.  i would do that just so i could say i did
[04:23] <Jack_Sparrow> !sata
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <Muhamer> umm
[04:23] <ladydoor> Skuz`: pytone
[04:23] <Muhamer> i cant go on xp
[04:23] <Muhamer> and i couldnt get linux
[04:23] <shawnr_> good ;p
[04:23] <AndrukTatum> amonkey_: ah, the power of ext3, jk, no, it should definitely take longer.
[04:23] <Muhamer> cuz there was an error
[04:23] <shawnr_> not good
[04:23] <longwave> amonkey_: presumably xfs just does a quick format to initialise an empty root directory and nothing else
[04:23] <Muhamer> and now im on linux live
[04:24] <brendonjt> muhamer:  what was the error?
[04:24] <Muhamer> uhh brb
[04:24] <Muhamer> have it on paper :P
[04:24] <ladydoor> Skuz`: it takes a little configurating (you can get the sample rc out of /usr/share/doc/pytone and edit it), but it works great and is pretty
[04:24] <Muhamer> Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key
[04:24] <amonkey_> longwave, i was able to make a file in it and read right to it
[04:24] <Fuller> hmmm...this is interesting. Now gedit doesn't seem to do anything.
[04:24] <amonkey_> longwave, what else should i do?
[04:24] <Fuller> just hangs.
[04:24] <eigenlambda> azureus sucks, but gnome-btdownload won't tell me which port i should foreward
[04:24] <Skuz`> ladydoor: how about one that doesnt require alot of editing to get it working :)
[04:24] <eigenlambda> and i need to pirate windows vista prereleases
[04:24] <eigenlambda> so
[04:24] <longwave> amonkey_: nothing i guess, if you can mount and read/write it and "df" shows the right amount of free space
[04:24] <Muhamer> so bren
[04:24] <HeathenDan> utorrent + wine eigenlambda
[04:25] <longwave> Fuller: did you type "bg" then press enter after ctrl-z?
[04:25] <eigenlambda> HeathenDan: lol rite
[04:25] <amonkey_> longwave, still scary, was way to fast
[04:25] <ladydoor> Skuz`: well, to get it working you just need to tell it where your music is. the configuratin' i was referring to was just colors, keybindings, etc.
[04:25] <Psykus> i hate how wine uses the default ugly windows theme though
[04:25] <eigenlambda> ya
[04:25] <Psykus> wish it could convert it to GTK somehow
[04:25] <Muhamer> ok bren isnt responding so..
[04:25] <brendonjt> muhamer:  have you tried installing it again, where  to you try installing it to?
[04:25] <eigenlambda> yeah really
[04:25] <Skuz`> ladydoor:  ok :)
[04:25] <ladydoor> Skuz`: you might like mocp, though; on my dapper, however, it suddenly got ugly :-(
[04:25] <Fuller> longwave: I tried gedit with the & sign first
[04:25] <eigenlambda> would be cool to make wine do stuff like swing and look like gtk
[04:25] <Skuz`> hmm mocp cant be found
[04:25] <Skuz`> is it avail on repos
[04:26] <Fuller> longwave: Then after that it started to hang
[04:26] <longwave> Fuller: it should also work with the & sign; did you get [1]  12345 or something after the command? that means the job was put in the background ok..
[04:26] <Muhamer> bren let me get my friend to answer since he did the installation so hold on
[04:26] <Fuller> longwave: Ah. Let me open a new terminal window and check it out.
[04:27] <longwave> Fuller: to run commands like that you can press alt-f2 to enter a single command line
[04:27] <longwave> then you don't need the &
[04:27] <Muhamer> bren
[04:27] <Muhamer> u there
[04:27] <brendonjt> muhamer:  yip
[04:27] <Muhamer> i cant find gparted
[04:28] <eigenlambda> so i wonder
[04:28] <Fuller> longwave: What if the file I need to edit is in a deep directory?
[04:28] <eigenlambda> whether azureus will like that i have dash as /bin/sh
[04:28] <eigenlambda> lol
[04:28] <nictuku> is there any known corner case where the owner of /var/spool/postfix/defer/* directories is 'klog' instead of postfix?
[04:28] <longwave> Fuller: in that case, if you're used to the command line, the & version or ctrl-z/bg trick should work too
[04:28] <brendonjt> muhamer:  what is the cd is it a downloaded or a pressed one from ship-it
[04:29] <eigenlambda> i love how compiz shows that windows are frozen!
[04:29] <longwave> Fuller: if you close the terminal that you started gedit from, it might have problems though
[04:29] <eigenlambda> would be cool if the grey was kind of blue though, and the windows got some icicles.  lol.-
[04:29] <Muhamer> bren my friends on phone can u hold on a sec
[04:29] <Skuz`> yea i need a real music player ladydoor
[04:29] <Psykus> anyone able to help me with my fm tuner question? the app (gnomeradio) seems to see and use the tuner card fine, but i'm not getting any audio
[04:29] <Skuz`> not one that takes 6 months to configure
[04:29] <peteweez> Skuz: mplayer
[04:29] <peteweez> mplayer.hu
[04:29] <Skuz`> ...
[04:29] <peteweez> it's great
[04:29] <Skuz`> thats not going to do me a bit of good mate
[04:29] <brendonjt> muhamer:  yip ok
[04:30] <Skuz`> i need a terminal mp3 player firstly :P
[04:30] <peteweez> mplayer works in terminal
[04:30] <eigenlambda> m0hid.hu
[04:30] <longwave> mpg321 is pretty basic as mp3 players go
[04:30] <eigenlambda> vote for colbert
[04:30] <eigenlambda> lol
[04:30] <Skuz`> longwave:  thats the one i've used before
[04:30] <Skuz`> i liked it
[04:31] <Muhamer> BREN
[04:31] <Muhamer> Downloaded
[04:31] <Fuller> longwave: When I type bg, it asks for a password, but interprets my password as a command it does not recognize and then fails.
[04:31] <peteweez> eigenlambda: if you delete cookies, you can vote multiple times...i voted for colbert like 5 times
[04:31] <eigenlambda> (!)
[04:31] <eigenlambda> wo
[04:31] <eigenlambda> wow
[04:32] <longwave> Fuller: ah, that may be something to do with running sudo in the background
[04:32] <longwave> Fuller: try using "gksudo" instead for graphical apps
[04:32] <eigenlambda> they use cookies to determine who you are
[04:32] <eigenlambda> i am impressed
[04:32] <peteweez> yeah
[04:32] <Muhamer> BREN
[04:32] <Muhamer> its downloaded
[04:32] <Muhamer> and i tried installing it again
[04:32] <peteweez> to make sure you only vote once
[04:32] <eigenlambda> ::goes to stuff the n00bs ballot box::
[04:32] <Muhamer> and i don't remember where to
[04:32] <longwave> Fuller: of course you do not need sudo if you have permissions to write to the file anyway
[04:32] <Skuz`> thank you longwave :)
[04:32] <Skuz`> this was the mp3 player i used before
[04:32] <Skuz`> works fine :)
[04:33] <Ricesteam> Whats the difference between Quinn-Compiz and the Compiz in Synaptic?
[04:33] <longwave> Skuz`: yep, it doesn't do much, but what it does do it does well :)
[04:33] <brendonjt> muhamer:  in you systems bios  have you got it set to boot from that drive?
[04:33] <peteweez> eigenlambda: I think someone made a php script cuz there was a name like php-script that got a crapload of votes.
[04:33] <Fuller> longwave: Right. This file is running in the pygame examples directory outside of my Home though. :-)
[04:33] <Muhamer> Yes
[04:33] <Jack_Sparrow> goodnight all
[04:34] <redsoxfan90> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 what linux do i choose?
[04:34] <Pelo> evening guys
[04:34] <brendonjt> muhamer:  has anyone else used that cd to install  ubuntu  or just you
[04:34] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: depends on your needs...but ubuntu & debian are the best ;-)
[04:34] <CSWookie> What's the port for secure mail server?  425?
[04:34] <D0wn> I need some help compiling gtk
[04:34] <D0wn> or installing
[04:34] <longwave> Fuller: if you are editing files that have been installed by an ubuntu package, i recommend copying them to somewhere in your home folder so you can edit them easier, and any future package upgrades won't overwrite your changes
[04:35] <redsoxfan90> i have ubuntu
[04:35] <redsoxfan90> please click that link
[04:35] <redsoxfan90> to know waht im talking about :)
[04:35] <XSah> Hi, I want to ask, when i download a package using apt-get install, then i want that package to use it in other computer that does not connecting to the internet, then where i will find it !!!?
[04:35] <StoneNote> CSWookie, I think it's 465
[04:35] <peteweez> D0wn: You're really having problems with graphical libraries today, arent you?
[04:35] <Muhamer> no one else used it
[04:35] <D0wn> Yes
[04:35] <D0wn> :P
[04:35] <peteweez> I hate that.
[04:35] <StoneNote> CSWookie, Secure SMTP Port: 465 Secure POP3 Port: 995
[04:36] <Fuller> longwave: True. Perhaps I will do that. Thanks for the tip.
[04:36] <longwave> CSWookie: port 465 is the standard smtp over ssl port
[04:36] <D0wn> I tried to compile it, but that didn't work
[04:36] <Muhamer> WAT NETWORK IS THIS
[04:36] <D0wn> I wish there was a place where i could get GTK+ in a .deb
[04:36] <redsoxfan90> XSah: how do you expect it to get files if your not on the net?
[04:36] <peteweez> D0wn: can't you use the ubuntu repository?
[04:36] <StoneNote> Muhamer, FreeNode
[04:36] <peteweez> they have debs
[04:36] <D0wn> It wouldn't work
[04:36] <D0wn> Where?
[04:36] <Muhamer> what the hell is that lol
[04:36] <nownott> im trying to boot windows in ubuntu with vmware but im haveing problems can someone help me w/ this
[04:36] <longwave> D0wn: gtk+ is available in the repositories
[04:36] <Muhamer> FreeNode?
[04:37] <micahcowan> Muhamer, do you have a question about ubuntu?
[04:37] <Muhamer> wtf
[04:37] <XSah> redsoxfan90: i downloaded it using a one connecting to the net
[04:37] <Muhamer> yes
[04:37] <XSah> then i want to use it in another computer
[04:37] <Psykus> there's also a TV tuner on this card...trying it out with tvtime, can't get audio working on that either
[04:37] <Muhamer> ive been here for almost an hr
[04:37] <Muhamer> :|
[04:37] <peteweez> resoxfan: ok that depends what your graphics card it
[04:37] <brendonjt> stonenote:  what you think there muhamer's problem
[04:37] <peteweez> *is
[04:37] <redsoxfan90> buy  a router
[04:37] <longwave> D0wn: you probably want libgtk2.0-dev if you're trying to compile a package that needs GTK+ 2.0
[04:37] <peteweez> redsoxfan: what's your graphics card?
[04:37] <redsoxfan90> peteweez: i have radeon 200m
[04:37] <Muhamer> ??
[04:37] <D0wn> When I do a "sudo apt-cache search gtk+" there are too many results to try to find it
[04:37] <StoneNote> brendonjt, my esp is on the fritz so I can't tell
[04:38] <longwave> D0wn: what exactly are you trying to do?
[04:38] <nownott> pls some help w/ vmware
[04:38] <peteweez> redsoxfan: what's your cpu?
[04:38] <redsoxfan90> im not sure
[04:38] <D0wn> I'm trying to install it so I can compile source's
[04:38] <redsoxfan90> how can i check?
[04:38] <wweasel> XSah:" redsoxfan is being an ass. I am following your conversation because I am curious about the answer to your question.
[04:38] <brendonjt> muhamer:  when you installed it when it came to the disk partioner what options did you set?
[04:38] <StoneNote> nownott, what's up. I use vmware
[04:38] <peteweez> redsoxfan: is it intel pentium d, athlon, what?
[04:38] <longwave> D0wn: if you install the libgtk2.0-dev package that gives you everything you need to compile other GTK+ 2.0 applications
[04:38] <redsoxfan90> amd sempron
[04:38] <Muhamer> ffs my friend went offline hold on :|
[04:38] <brendonjt> stonenote:  i'm nearly pulling my hair out  only getting half the story
[04:38] <redsoxfan90> XSah: i honestly am not sure
[04:38] <peteweez> redsoxfan: is it 64 bit?
[04:39] <redsoxfan90> XSah: i have a router
[04:39] <Fuller> longwave: Well. the gksudo returned an interesting message. It said: (gedit:13986): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:39] <redsoxfan90> peteweez: i think a 32 im not sure :(
[04:39] <ladydoor> D0wn: libgtk2.0-dev is, i think, the specific package name
[04:39] <D0wn> I'll try "sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev"
[04:39] <redsoxfan90> XSah: im not the world's smartest person.
[04:39] <ladydoor> Fuller: itsn't that the standard gedit error? i heard there was one
[04:39] <peteweez> redsoxfan: even if it's 64, it only acts like a 64 if you got a 64 version of linux... do uname -a and tell me what it says
[04:39] <brendonjt> muhamer:  you have to tell us the whole story  not half of it
[04:39] <Fuller> ladydoor: standard gedit error?
[04:39] <StoneNote> brendonjt, you can't force someone to communicate with you :) if he cannot state his problem in a hour then maybe that is his problem.
[04:40] <Muhamer> THis is my computer
[04:40] <Muhamer> I let my friend install it because i didnt kno how to
[04:40] <Muhamer> so he knows everything and im trying to reach him on phone and msn but hes not on
[04:40] <XSah> i didnt say that i just want to know how to install any update or any program to one is not connecting to the internet... thats all!
[04:40] <Pelo> redsoxfan90 , what kernel are you using , that will tell you if you need the i386 or x64 driver
[04:40] <ladydoor> i *thought* i heard that gedit spits out an error anytime you run it with gksudo. you might try sudo nano -w in a terminal instead; nano's "user-friendly" for a console-based app
[04:40] <amonkey> i put my xfs partition into fstab and now it works fine for root but my user can't make files or anything. how to i let regular people use the drive?
[04:40] <redsoxfan90> redsoxfan90@redsoxfan90-laptop:~$ uname -a
[04:40] <redsoxfan90> Linux redsoxfan90-laptop 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:40] <redsoxfan90> redsoxfan90@redsoxfan90-laptop:~$
[04:40] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: what does uname -a say?
[04:41] <peteweez> ook you're 32 bit
[04:41] <peteweez> not 64
[04:41] <redsoxfan90> thought so :)
[04:41] <redsoxfan90> so
[04:41] <longwave> Fuller: it looks like that's only a warning, does gedit still work after that message shows up?
[04:41] <peteweez> so get i386
[04:41] <redsoxfan90> i want the top link or bottom?
[04:41] <Muhamer> WAT NETWORK IS THIS!
[04:41] <peteweez> or x86
[04:41] <peteweez> top
[04:41] <ladydoor> !shout
[04:41] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:41] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: x86, the top one
[04:41] <Fuller> longwave: It could be hanging again, as a window does not pop up. I have to hit ctrl+z to get out.
[04:41] <peteweez> redsox: not x86_64
[04:41] <redsoxfan90> Motherboards with ATI Graphics Notebooks with ATI Graphics
[04:42] <brendonjt> ladydoor: thank you for that  gezz
[04:42] <Fuller> ladydoor: I'm trying to find a way to view a file and keep my terminal window from being hijacked by the file. :-)
[04:42] <peteweez> redsox: do you have a desktop or a laptop?
[04:42] <redsoxfan90> does it matter which one i choose?
[04:42] <peteweez> yes
[04:42] <redsoxfan90> laptop
[04:42] <redsoxfan90> so notebook :)
[04:42] <peteweez> do you have a graphics card or is it integrated?
[04:42] <XSah> so no body know how to save the files that i downloaded using this command "apt-get install something"
[04:42] <redsoxfan90> what do you mean my interfrate?
[04:42] <longwave> Fuller: if you only want to view a file, use "less" to read it in the console, scroll with cursor keys then q to quit
[04:42] <redsoxfan90> they save automatically i think Xsah
[04:43] <D0wn> Thanks to all who just helped me :D
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> or cntrl o
[04:43] <XSah> redsoxfan90: where?
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> no clue buddy
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> ive been using ubuntu for lika  week
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> as you notice im getting my graphic driver :)
[04:43] <ladydoor> brendonjt: for what?
[04:43] <XSah> redsoxfan90: i want to use them latter in other computer...
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> oh
[04:43] <ladydoor> Fuller: use gnu screen
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> i don;t think thats possible
[04:43] <brendonjt> ladydoor: pulling him up on shouting
[04:43] <Muhamer> BREN
[04:43] <Muhamer> bren
[04:43] <longwave> Fuller: this bug has been reported in launchpad but does not affect everyone, and there is no current fix :(  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/23917
[04:43] <Muhamer> u there
[04:43] <redsoxfan90> hook up that other computer to the interent
[04:43] <Muhamer> bren
[04:44] <ladydoor> brendonjt: oh...i thought you were being sarcastic. haha
[04:44] <Muhamer> bre
[04:44] <Fuller> longwave: I suppose it couldn't hurt to have one terminal window open to look at while I have another. I was hoping to take advantage of my mouse's scroll wheel to browse the file without the window needing to be active however.
[04:44] <brendonjt> muhamer:  i'm here
[04:44] <Muhamer> Breeeeeen
[04:44] <Muhamer> ok
[04:44] <Muhamer> Numbah51 is the guy
[04:44] <Fuller> ladydoor: is that a terminal command?
[04:44] <Muhamer> so ask him st0ff
[04:44] <longwave> Fuller: if you are using gnome-terminal, you can open tabs for little-used terminals to save screen space
[04:44] <ladydoor> Fuller: yes and no. it turns one terminal...into many
[04:44] <adil_> I don't want to start abrawl but what do you guys use for e-mail... I am looking for something close to MS Outlook
[04:44] <XSah> redsoxfan90: that will be a crazy thing " assuming that the update and the new packages about 350" and my internet download speed is 13Kb
[04:44] <Fuller> ladydoor: Say what?
[04:44] <ladydoor> Fuller: and it will change your computing life :-)
[04:44] <ladydoor> Fuller: lol
[04:44] <brendonjt> numbah51: what happened when you went to install it
[04:45] <redsoxfan90> Xsah try doing a search on your comp
[04:45] <Fuller> ladydoor: Uh oh, a life changing experience?
[04:45] <ladydoor> Fuller: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/
[04:45] <redsoxfan90> and try attacking them in a email
[04:45] <ladydoor> Fuller: not really
[04:45] <redsoxfan90> no clue man
[04:45] <ladydoor> Fuller: i was being ironic
[04:45] <Fuller> ladydoor: hahaha!
[04:45] <ladydoor> Fuller: but it is really useful
[04:45] <Numbah51> Muhamer: Do you remember?
[04:45] <brendonjt> numbah51: he could have a corrupt copy of the iso  in that part did you use the live cd to install
[04:45] <longwave> Fuller: "screen" is like a set of tabbed terminals that is very useful if you have a lot of terminal sessions to manage
[04:45] <Muhamer> lol
[04:45] <XSah> redsoxfan90: do you know any good site for ubuntu packages specially ?
[04:46] <peteweez> redsox: sorry my computer rebooted
[04:46] <fern> hello
[04:46] <redsoxfan90> peteweez: no problem
[04:46] <brendonjt> numbah51: he is getting on my nerves he has only been giving half the story
[04:46] <Fuller> longwave: Ah. I see. This is gnu screen you are talking about?
[04:46] <redsoxfan90> XSah: not sure once again i use synaptic
[04:46] <brass> does anybody know why root would not be able to chane the group of a folder?
[04:46] <Numbah51> brendonjt: No we didn't use the livecd
[04:46] <redsoxfan90> XSah: try a search on google perhaps
[04:46] <longwave> Fuller: yes
[04:46] <redsoxfan90> ill get u a link
[04:46] <redsoxfan90> 1 sec
[04:46] <brendonjt> numbah51: ok  try  using the live cd to install it
[04:47] <Fuller> longwave: Is it already installed in Ubuntu?
[04:47] <ladydoor> brendonjt: what folder is it?
[04:47] <brendonjt> as it has a very good gui  for installing
[04:47] <ladydoor> brendonjt: sorry
[04:47] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: I think laptops always have integrated graphics, but I'm not sure (btw, I'm a red sox fan too :-)
[04:47] <ladydoor> brendonjt: that was for brass
[04:47] <longwave> Fuller: no, but it's in the repositories
[04:47] <Numbah51> brendonjt: ok he can try but i'm not at his house right now but he's a noob
[04:47] <ladydoor> brass: what folder is it?
[04:47] <Fuller> longwave: Alright. I'll go check it out.
[04:47] <fern> brass .. this sounds like a permissions thing
[04:47] <eigenlambda> ya red soxxez!
[04:47] <brendonjt> ladydoor: that cool
[04:47] <XSah> redsoxfan90:Thank you, yes i did and i found, but the update made a trouble, any way thank you
[04:47] <eigenlambda> lol whos heres from boston?
[04:47] <brass> my 'music' folder.    owner:  root    group:   plugdev
[04:47] <eigenlambda> lol
[04:47] <redsoxfan90> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:47] <peteweez> my dad was born in Lawrence, MA
[04:47] <redsoxfan90> peteweez: soxs are doing horrible i quit watching them :P
[04:48] <brass> when I change it from a sudo nautilus..   it imediately changes back.   when I use chgrp.  nothing happens
[04:48] <longwave> Fuller: actually, no, screen is included in ubuntu-desktop, you should already have it
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> were do you live ?
[04:48] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: yeah it is bad
[04:48] <brendonjt> numbah51: ok  do it for him from the live cd so he don't muck it up
[04:48] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: Marylan
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> ic
[04:48] <peteweez> *Maryland
[04:48] <brass> nautilus says I don't 'have the permissions'
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> your father around?
[04:48] <eigenlambda> soxes vs yanquis 2yrs ago was awesome
[04:48] <peteweez> asleep
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> ah ok
[04:48] <peteweez> yeah
[04:48] <eigenlambda> ...then we steamroll over stl
[04:48] <Fuller> longwave: Ah. alright.
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> yes but there ina slumb
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> slump
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> the soxs owners are stupid atm
[04:48] <peteweez> yeah no kidding
[04:48] <Numbah51> brendonjt: ok i'll do it tomorrow and i'll let you know tomorrow how it turned out
[04:48] <redsoxfan90> they didnt sighn no1
[04:48] <peteweez> but they're into big finishes
[04:49] <peteweez> no1?
[04:49] <redsoxfan90> won't happen this year
[04:49] <peteweez> who's he?
[04:49] <fern> brass .. find the linux survival guide in google and do the modules
[04:49] <redsoxfan90> the redsoxs owner didn't sighn anyone.
[04:49] <peteweez> oh ok
[04:49] <bear> I have a real quick question...  where does the network config file live and where is DNS stored?
[04:49] <barata> anybody uses pocketpc with ubuntu?
[04:49] <brendonjt> ok  i think  it might be the disk partioner he would get stuck on lol
[04:49] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: I think you're going to need x86 for laptops with integrated graphics.
[04:49] <wweasel> !offtopic
[04:49] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:49] <Numbah51> lol ok
[04:49] <longwave> bear: /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp/static ip configs, dns resolvers are in /etc/resolv.conf
[04:50] <fern> system .. amin .. networking
[04:50] <bear> is there a better network manager than the one that comes defaultly with ubuntu
[04:50] <bear> thank
[04:50] <redsoxfan90> peteweez: i got it
[04:50] <Fuller> ladydoor: Will screen display .py files?
[04:50] <redsoxfan90> peteweez: im going to pm you
[04:50] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: pm?
[04:50] <peteweez> what does pm mean?
[04:50] <redsoxfan90> private message
[04:50] <Agrajag> Fuller: screen doesn't display any files
[04:50] <brendonjt> brb  going for a smoke after all that
[04:50] <peteweez> oh ok
[04:51] <ladydoor> Fuller: it displays your terminal
[04:51] <Fuller> Agrajag: Hm. I'll have to read the documentation...
[04:51] <peteweez> brendonjt: smoking will kill you.
[04:51] <Agrajag> Fuller: screen is a program that allows you to open a virtual terminal that you can detach from and reattach to
[04:51] <pike_> bear: its pretty easy just to use the command line tools
[04:52] <brendonjt> peteweez:i know  i am giving up  but after that guy  yikes
[04:52] <Fuller> Agrajag, ladydoor: Is going to File>Open Tab the same as using this screen ability?
[04:52] <brass> doing modules will not help me give the root users permissions
[04:52] <fern> any ideas how get this system to recognise a USB modem
[04:53] <longwave> Fuller: it is kind of the same thing, but way more powerful - though you will need to read the docs to get the most out of  it
[04:53] <Agrajag> Fuller: no
[04:53] <ladydoor> Fuller: what longwave said
[04:53] <Fuller> longwave, ladydoor, Agrajag: Alright. I'll go read the docs. Thanks all for your help!
[04:53] <fern> Brass... it will tell you haow to do that
[04:53] <Agrajag> Fuller: all you really need, for now: "screen" starts a new screen. ctrl-a, d detaches. screen -r reattaches.
[04:53] <gre123>  anyone ever try KANOTIX?
[04:53] <richard> Im having problems with downloading files bigger than 2 GB ... ie Ubuntu DVD - they consistantly fail - and i do have the space
[04:54] <richard> ?
[04:54] <Agrajag> richard: what filesystem is the drive you are trying to save the files to?
[04:54] <gre123> i was think of usin it as a second distro on my comp
[04:54] <ladydoor> Agrajag: out of curiosity, do you use the default C-a as the master key?
[04:54] <Agrajag> yeah
[04:54] <richard> er standard install filesystem
[04:54] <Agrajag> richard: so, ext3?
[04:55] <richard> how do i check ...... but i think so yeah
[04:55] <Agrajag> you can run "mount" in a terminal and it will show you all mounted filesystems
[04:55] <Agrajag> types, and mount options used on each
[04:55] <sceptre0> is there an easy way to detect a new mouse without restarting?
[04:55] <Fuller> Agrajag: What does ctrl-a do?
[04:55] <brass> do you also think the modules will tell me why the owner, whose also a member of the group can't change the group?
[04:55] <longwave> ladydoor: i use the default ctrl-a, my only change to screen is a custom status bar with load averages, date/time and the window list
[04:56] <gianluigibuffon> hi
[04:56] <gianluigibuffon> I need some help guys
[04:56] <shawnr_> !ask
[04:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:56] <gianluigibuffon> I downloaded reloadevery for conqueror... is a xpi file... how I install it???????
[04:56] <ladydoor> longwave: oh, sweet
[04:57] <fern> yes
[04:57] <sceptre0> gianluigibuffon: open it with firefox
[04:57] <ladydoor> gianluigibuffon: are you talking about konqueror, the KDE web browser, or conkeror, the firefox extension?
[04:57] <Fuller> longwave: Does ctrl+a move between the tabs?
[04:57] <gianluigibuffon> konqueror with I can browse the internet too
[04:57] <gianluigibuffon> I browse with firefox
[04:57] <ladydoor> Fuller: C-a n and C-a p does
[04:57] <Agrajag> Fuller: in screen, ctrl-a by itself tells screen that the next key you press is a screen command
[04:57] <gianluigibuffon> but I want reloadevery for konqueror
[04:57] <ladydoor> Fuller: or C-a *tabnumber*
[04:57] <shawnr_> gianluigibuffon, xpi is an extension for firefox plugins
[04:57] <Agrajag> ctrl-a, d detaches, for example.
[04:58] <gianluigibuffon> only for firefox?
[04:58] <longwave> Fuller: all screen commands are ctrl+a then another keypress; ctrl+a space moves to the next window, ctrl+a ctrl+a moves back, or ctrl+a number to go direct to a window
[04:58] <gianluigibuffon> then where can I find plugings for Konqueror??????
[04:58] <bear> Pike what command line tools?
[04:58] <Fuller> longwave, ladydoor, Agrajag: I see. I see...thanks again.
[04:58] <gre123> GOOD NIGHT
[04:58] <richard> yeah ext3
[04:59] <peteweez> oops didn't know ppl could get booted for flooding
[04:59] <peteweez> poor redsoxfan90
[04:59] <ladydoor> Fuller: sweet, hope you like it
[04:59] <Fuller> longwave, ladydoor, Agrajag: Ah! Yes. Now I can go to a new terminal even if the one is being hijacked by gedit. Sweet deal.
[05:00] <ladydoor> Fuller: :-)
[05:00] <Fuller> ladydoor: My life will never be the same! :P
[05:00] <Agrajag> Fuller: hijacked by gedit?
[05:00] <pike_> bear: you were asking about tools for managing connections. i just meant like ifconfig iwconfig dhclient and such
[05:00] <gianluigibuffon> nah I will do it with firefox
[05:00] <gianluigibuffon> xD
[05:00] <longwave> Agrajag: Fuller seems to be experiencing https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/23917
[05:00] <Fuller> Agrajag: Referring to how you cannot do anything more with a terminal after typing gedit.
[05:01] <longwave> Agrajag: which is causing problems when running gksudo gedit in the background for some reason
[05:01] <Agrajag> Fuller: of course you can
[05:01] <Agrajag> Fuller: gedit&
[05:01] <richard> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:01] <Agrajag> Fuller: or, run gedit from the terminal, select the terminal window, hit ctrl+z, then run "bg"
[05:01] <bear> pike_: so what your saying is I should read the man file on ifconfig
[05:01] <Agrajag> Fuller: now you're got 3 ways to avoid it
[05:01] <gianluigibuffon> hey guys
[05:01] <Fuller> Agrajag: I was trying that...but it wasn't opening the gedit window, and the terminal was just hanging...
[05:02] <Agrajag> you've, even
[05:02] <gianluigibuffon> how I install a tar.gz with dapper????
[05:02] <Agrajag> odd
[05:02] <orlock> Hey, is anybody here using a Nvidia nForce 430 based board that can chck something for me?
[05:02] <pike_> bear: give me a for instance on what youre trying to connect to
[05:02] <ladydoor> Fuller: lol
[05:02] <Fuller> Agrajag: Ha. However, for some reason. This time it worked...
[05:02] <ladydoor> Fuller: you might also try <alt>F2 gksudo nautilus <enter>
[05:02] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: you there?
[05:02] <richard> Agrajag: /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:02] <ozzloy> is there a way to say "what's process has this file open right now?"
[05:03] <orlock> ozzloy: fuser
[05:03] <sethk> ozzloy, lsof | grep filename
[05:03] <Agrajag> richard: oh, well that's odd, ext3 has no 2gig limit that I know of
[05:03] <bear> pike_: I have a note book and I travel between 13 offices all with different wireless configurations
[05:03] <richard> maybe its a firefox bug
[05:03] <Fuller> ladydoor: Yes, I suppose then whenever I opened a file it would be in root mode. That's a good tip, thanks.
[05:04] <ladydoor> Fuller: np
[05:04] <richard> Agrajag: i'll try a downloader program - any suggestions?
[05:04] <Agrajag> richard: wget
[05:04] <richard> thx
[05:04] <pike_> bear: i do normally this: 1. "sudo -s" 2. "iwlist ath0 scan" 3. "iwconfig ath0 essid namethescanfound" 4. "dhclient ath0"
[05:04] <Agrajag> just open a terminal and run "wget <file>"
[05:04] <Muhamer> Thanks Bren, see you tomorrow.
[05:04] <ozzloy> thank you orlock sethk
[05:04] <bear> pike_: I just want to beable to auto connect to the networks without having to kepp putting in the wep keys
[05:04] <Fuller> ladydoor, Agrajag, longwave: Thanks for arming me with these new commands. I'm going to go get some rest. Good evening.
[05:04] <Justin_> IS OSS/ALSA the best that Linux audio gets?
[05:04] <pike_> bear: ah wep
[05:04] <ladydoor> Fuller: :-)
[05:04] <ladydoor> Fuller: good luck
[05:04] <brendonjt> ladydoor:  here is something i have been trying to figure out  what does the gk in gksudo  gedit  mean
[05:05] <ladydoor> brendonjt: it means that it's a "gtk" version of sudo
[05:05] <brendonjt> ladydoor:  ok  is it better  or just the same
[05:05] <ladydoor> brendonjt: i.e., graphikal and integrated with gnome, as opposed to being a terminal command
[05:05] <Abst> Is there any mail client for linux that is always open in the GNOME panel and will alert me of new email when it comes?
[05:05] <richard> Agrajag: is wget the same as aget - if not its not on synaptic
[05:06] <brendonjt> ladydoor:  ok  ithank you for clearing that up for me
[05:06] <ladydoor> brendonjt: it's just for graphikal applications that're going to open their own windows, whereas sudo is for the command line
[05:06] <gianluigibuffon> how I install a tar.gz with dapper????
[05:06] <ladydoor> brendonjt: np
[05:06] <pike_> bear: that would be editing the interfaces file for the autoconnect and specifying the wep keys. i know in solaris you can do multiple keys and even profiles with wificonfig (similar to iwconfig in linux sortof)
[05:06] <Agrajag> richard: wget is in there, maybe you don't have universe enabled?
[05:06] <richard> i do
[05:07] <Abst> Richard: Why not go into Terminal and type sudo apt-get install wget
[05:07] <Abst> That'll install it
[05:07] <richard> ah gwget
[05:07] <richard> found it
[05:07] <Agrajag> gwget?
[05:07] <richard> yeah
[05:07] <peteweez> redsoxfan90: u there?
[05:07] <Agrajag> must be some graphical frontend
[05:07] <richard> thats it .... when you search
[05:07] <Agrajag> I find this when I search: wget - retrieves files from the web
[05:07] <Abst> Hmm
[05:08] <Abst> Just got gwget
[05:08] <Abst> Its a graphical download manager
[05:08] <longwave> bear: you can have at least 4 keys stored at once in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:08] <squeaks> i have multiple serverlayout's in my xorg.conf, i had been (in previous linux distros) logging in to at a text login, and running startx -- -layout CHOICE, but what i did in ubuntu was change rc2.d/ so that gdm does not run at runlevel 2, then i did startx -- -layout Multihead, then telinit 3, and i logged in again at the gdm login... What would be the best way?
[05:08] <Agrajag> anyway gwget looks like it's just a pnome frontend, so use that
[05:08] <Agrajag> er, gnome
[05:08] <longwave> bear: look in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for examples
[05:08] <ajhtiredwolf> Hello
[05:08] <eigenlambda> us.archive.ubuntu.com is down... lol...
[05:08] <zerojakel> hello
[05:08] <peteweez> anybody know of a clock for linux that displays decimal (french republican) time?
[05:08] <bear> pike_: I glanced at the file let me look at it again
[05:08] <Abst> No one knows a email client that will be always on in the background and alert me when new mail is in?
[05:08] <eigenlambda> peteweez: lol!
[05:09] <squeaks> i could find many guides on setting up serverlayout's in xorg.conf, but nothing mentioning how to pick which serverlayout is used
[05:09] <bear> longwave: thanks let me take a look
[05:09] <jolt> Got another one for you all.. I have a generic USB audio class device... how do i force Ubuntu to reconize it as an option
[05:09] <eigenlambda> french revolutionary time
[05:09] <longwave> squeaks: can't you use gdm to start a different X server depending on the session you select?
[05:09] <richard> Abst: Thunderbird is good
[05:09] <jolt> It reconizes the mic from my logitech camera but not a headset
[05:09] <ajhtiredwolf>  I was thinking of installing ubuntu opposed to FC5, does ubuntu have good security features?
[05:09] <MagicFab> hi, is there a way to enable remote-desktop access (via VNC) on a machine via SSH (without the GUI tool in System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop) ?
[05:09] <Abst> richard: On windows it has an icon on the taskbar, will it have that in Linux?
[05:09] <peteweez> eigenlambda: what's so funny
[05:09] <richard> *goes to check
[05:10] <peteweez> eigenlambda: it'd just be funny to be able to say omg, it's 78 past 4!!!
[05:10] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Security really depends on how you fix up the system - of course some systems comes pre-packed with more security in mind, Ubuntu server would most likely be more secure then the desktop version - but you can make the desktop version as secure as you want if you wish to play around with it.
[05:11] <Skuz`> oh great no audio in Quake 3
[05:11] <richard> Abst: you can minimise it - or put it in another workspace
[05:11] <Skuz`> anyone have any ideas as to what the cause might be
[05:11] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin: well I guess my question should be then, is it about as secure as Fedora core 5
[05:11] <zerojakel> Skuz`: install alsa-oss
[05:11] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Yes
[05:11] <Skuz`> zerojakel, okay
[05:11] <Abst> richard: yeah but I usually use all 4 workspaces - I want it like Gaim when you've got no windows open. I'll check synaptic.
[05:11] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, identically configured, they are identically secure
[05:11] <ladydoor> Abst: there're utilities to check your mail, and even an evolution plugin to notify you (i think)
[05:12] <Skuz`> zerojakel,  any configuration needed after that?
[05:12] <Abst> ladydoor: Utilities I have to download?
[05:12] <ladydoor> Abst: possibly
[05:12] <Abst> Kay ill check
[05:12] <ladydoor> i know that mailutils has one
[05:12] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_: I've had about enough of fedora core, every time I try and ask for help in the forum or on their irc I just get someone with a bad aditude looking to just piss off people who dont know as much about Fedora as they do
[05:12] <ladydoor> Abst: and you might look for something under "evolution" and maybe under "thunderbird"
[05:13] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_: so im looking for the best alternate solution to Fedora, while still being able to use linux.
[05:13] <ladydoor> !security
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about security - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <ladydoor> !best
[05:13] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[05:13] <orlock> ajhtiredwolf: heh, i get people that assume cos they dont understand the problem, its not an issue so i should stop whining
[05:13] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Well Ubuntu is your solution especially if you want a supportive community - active and friendly forums, and IRC - and is as secure as the fedora core - if not more secure ;)
[05:14] <squeaks> longwave, do i setup gdm by editing /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm, or by running gdmsetup, or /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf-custom?
[05:14] <squeaks> or none of those 3?
[05:14] <angel12> hey guys, does anyone have an atmel card with ubuntu?
[05:14] <daMaestro> is the ati fglrx support out of box?
[05:14] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_:excellent, also, do you know if it has good support for ati drivers? Because ive never been able to get them to work on Fedora
[05:14] <Abst> ladydoor: Is fetchmail what you mean?
[05:14] <longwave> squeaks: i think gdm.conf-custom is your best bet, though i haven't played around with gdm all that much
[05:14] <squeaks> ajhtiredwolf, i just switched from Fedora to ubuntu, and i like ubuntu thus far
[05:14] <Justin_> But then again security really is left up to the user after the base level, some users need more security for network - others for programs still others for e-mail etc - so it depends on what you want to do after you get the base, and of course there is plenty of software to build up the fortress you want to have :)
[05:14] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, the support is identical
[05:15] <ladydoor> Abst: fetchmail will get your mail, but won't notify you
[05:15] <Abst> Hmm
[05:15] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, the same binary ati drivers are used with ubuntu and fedora
[05:15] <StoneNote> the linux desktop is more secure than the windows desktop since most actions occur with a nonpriveleged userid.  everything in windows is usually done as an administrator (equal to root)  which is THE biggest hole besides IE
[05:15] <zerojakel> Skuz`: no nothing
[05:15] <orlock> Is anybody here running an nForce 430 based board?
[05:15] <Skuz`> zerojakel, okay i still have no sound in quake 3
[05:15] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Well I am on Radeon and it works fine - if you mean the "flgrix" drivers.. well that is pretty much the same across the board - drivers are drivers really, but works fine for me.
[05:15] <daMaestro> Skuz`, set the audio to oss? from 'best'?
[05:15] <ajhtiredwolf> it cant be though can it? They use differnet kernels, and the kernel version im using seems to be the problem.
[05:16] <daMaestro> ajhtiredwolf, what kernel are you using?
[05:16] <ladydoor> Abst: you could use, say, GNU messages from GNU Mailutils to check your mail and write a script to notify you. or you could, again, check for an evolution or firefox plugin :-)
[05:16] <zerojakel> Skuz`: and alsa-oss?
[05:16] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, they don't use different kernels
[05:16] <ajhtiredwolf> but anyway... as long as I could at least get some help with installing them without someone pissing on me....
[05:16] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, where did you get that idea?
[05:16] <longwave> they *do* use slightly different kernels
[05:16] <Skuz`> daMaestro, what?
[05:16] <Justin_> sethk, Fedora's kernel is not the same as Ubuntu's
[05:16] <longwave> red hat and ubuntu patch the stock kernel with their own different sets of patches
[05:16] <Skuz`> all i did was install alsa-oss you said i didnt have to do anything else
[05:16] <kohr> ok,can i write to  ntfs from ubuntu
[05:16] <Justin_> It is the same kernel, but they are modified differently
[05:16] <Skuz`> kohr,  no
[05:16] <Skuz`> soon though
[05:16] <dasGewitte1> What is the latest version/release of Xscreensaver?
[05:16] <ajhtiredwolf> ok I understand now
[05:16] <daMaestro> Skuz`, i had to switch my sound system (in the q3 config) to use OSS not ALSA
[05:16] <sethk> Justin_, the particular kernel version for a distro release may be different, but that's hardly significant
[05:17] <Skuz`> daMaestro, how do i do that?
[05:17] <sethk> Justin_, and anybody who runs with ubuntu's distro kernel isn't paying attention
[05:17] <Justin_> sethk, Again config makes a difference
[05:17] <Skuz`> quake 3 isnt saving my config file
[05:17] <Skuz`> each time i run it i have to set it up again
[05:17] <ajhtiredwolf> can you use something similar to yum with ubuntu?
[05:17] <kohr> skuz, what filesystem can linux and windows both write to?
[05:17] <Skuz`> ajhtiredwolf, yes, apt
[05:17] <daMaestro> Skuz`, .quakeX or something
[05:17] <Skuz`> and its better
[05:17] <longwave> ajhtiredwolf: apt-get is like yum but better ;)
[05:17] <daMaestro> in your home dir
[05:17] <Skuz`> kohr, fat
[05:17] <Skuz`> maybe fat32, not sure though
[05:17] <ajhtiredwolf> alright, well when i first tried to isntall ubuntu
[05:17] <dasGewitte1> Skuz: Yes, fat32
[05:17] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Ubuntu is linux.. anything that runs on Linux - will run on Ubuntu
[05:17] <ajhtiredwolf> it said there was a problem with x, and i wasnt able to
[05:17] <bear> longwave: so if I have more then 1 network I connect to all I need to do is  iface eth0 inet static
[05:17] <bear>     address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <bear>     network <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <bear>     netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <bear>     broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <bear>     wireless-essid Home
[05:17] <dasGewitte1> Skuz: External Hard drives use fat32
[05:17] <bear>     wireless-key  then reapeat for each network
[05:18] <longwave> !paste
[05:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:18] <sethk> it is true that the various distros often break the kernel, but then you install the real kernel from kernel.org and it's fixed
[05:18] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, You may have been lacking a lib
[05:18] <ladydoor> !paste > bear
[05:18] <kohr> skuz, ok thanks, bye
[05:18] <longwave> bear: i think you put wireless-key1 then wireless-key2 though i am not entirely sure
[05:18] <yggdrasil> does anyone here know of a web based thing like nukephp or xoops that is like a video gallery ?
[05:18] <longwave> bear: it may only work up to 4 keys at once, but you can always leave the other keys in that file but commented out - at least you won't have to retype them
[05:18] <ajhtiredwolf> alright well im gonna go ahead and install ubuntu, il get on here with my laptop. Thanks Justin_
[05:19] <ladydoor> kohr: FAT, and there are windowz drivers for ext2/3
[05:19] <rugbythomas> does anyone know why synaptic would say gcc is installed but terminal does not know the command gcc
[05:19] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Nice - if you run into problems.. come back and ask away.. thats what everyone else does :))
[05:19] <ajhtiredwolf> hah thank you very much
[05:19] <ajhtiredwolf> \/
[05:19] <bear> but the ssid changes
[05:19] <Skuz`> seta snddevice "/dev/dsp"
[05:19] <Skuz`> is that an issue
[05:20] <ladydoor> rugbythomas: what're you trying to do with it?
[05:20] <rugbythomas> homework
[05:20] <nich0s> I am nich0s. Hear me roar.
[05:20] <ladydoor> rugbythomas: ok...
[05:20] <ladydoor> rugbythomas: do "which gcc"
[05:20] <rugbythomas> my make file works great at school but not home
[05:20] <Justin_> rugbythomas, You need to install "build essentials" in 6.06 dapper.
[05:20] <Justin_> Or else you will see GCC but it will not actually work
[05:21] <rugbythomas> 6.4.6
[05:21] <Justin_> sudo apt-get build-essentials and you should be fine
[05:21] <rugbythomas> 3.4.6
[05:21] <longwave> "sudo apt-get install build-essential" even :)
[05:21] <Justin_> longwave, yeah ;D
[05:21] <zerojakel> how install gcc 4.1?
[05:21] <Justin_> -s
[05:21] <Justin_> zerojakel, upgrade gcc :D
[05:21] <zerojakel> xDD
[05:21] <Justin_> If you want to do it the easy way
[05:22] <Justin_> I don't know if the reps have GCC 4.1 yet though
[05:22] <longwave> zerojakel: gcc-4.1 is only in edgy so far
[05:22] <rugbythomas> Password:
[05:22] <longwave> it probably won't be backported to dapper
[05:22] <zerojakel> ok
[05:22] <rugbythomas> E: Invalid operation build-essentials
[05:22] <rugbythomas> thomas@thomas-desktop:~$
[05:22] <sethk> Justin_, if you see gcc, it will work, but you mean that he needs other supporting programs
[05:22] <nich0s> rugbythomas, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[05:23] <bear> longwave: but how does it know which key goes wth which ssid
[05:23] <Justin_> sethk, Yeah well I had the same problem - said that GCC was installed, but did not actually work - sudo apt-get build-essential fixed that
[05:23] <rugbythomas> thanks
[05:23] <longwave> bear: when there are four keys i think it just uses any one of the four
[05:23] <sethk> Justin_, if you compile something with gcc, yourself, you'll see that gcc works perfectly.  You needed more than gcc for whatever you were trying to do.
[05:23] <longwave> bear: i imagine there must be some kind of better network manager for people in your situation...
[05:23] <bear> longwave: no matter what the ssid is?  crazy
[05:23] <Justin_> When is edgy to be officially released again?
[05:24] <dasGewitte1> October 25 or so
[05:24] <longwave> bear: no, you can only specify one ssid as far as i can see
[05:24] <dasGewitte1> you can find official release dates on Ubuntu's website
[05:24] <longwave> bear: if you list more than one i think it will only use the last one you list
[05:24] <Justin_> I see... I hope it's good because dapper is perfection.. well minus not having GCC by default..
[05:24] <bear> longwave: and now we're back to my original question does anyone know of a better network manager
[05:24] <zerojakel> yes 25 october
[05:25] <rugbythomas> my school has 4,1 up and running
[05:25] <ross> Hey everyone....I was wondering if anyone could help me configure my laptop with ubuntu wirelessly
[05:25] <JoseStefan> knot 2 should be out Thurs
[05:25] <bear> ross: what where are you at
[05:26] <jolt> Hopes the live install isnt broken on knot 2
[05:26] <rugbythomas> does anyone know what it takes to get Konsole to run in KDevelop
[05:26] <ladydoor> Justin_: ubuntu's always been that way, so far as i know...i seem to remember having to install build-essential before
[05:26] <Abst> If I installed KDE can I fully uninstall it and go back to Gnome?
[05:26] <Justin_> ladydoor, 5 had it on mine
[05:26] <Justin_> abst, sure
[05:27] <ladydoor> Abst: install ubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <ladydoor> Abst: then
[05:27] <Justin_> Abst, Why would you not be able to?
[05:27] <ladydoor> Abst: look at the dependencies for kubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <vanderley> I cant configure my keyboard, how can I do it: my pc is a Laptop Compac Presario
[05:27] <Abst> Justin_: I'm a newbie and I don't like reformatting so I just make sure..
[05:27] <Abst> Hehe
[05:27] <sethk> Abst, sure, but why bother to uninstall it.  if you don't want to run it, then don't run it
[05:27] <ladydoor> Abst: and uninstall any of them whose removal doesn't conflict with having ubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <ajhtiredwolf> Alright, well I selected to install ubuntu in graphical safe mode... and after it got past the little loading bar loading drivers and or what not, the screen just went blank
[05:27] <Justin_> But KDE is bad.. - fair warning
[05:27] <Justin_> I stick with my XFCE :D
[05:28] <ross> BEAR: what do you mean? what and where?
[05:28] <Abst> XFCE?
[05:28] <ladydoor> Justin_: let's not start a window-manager war
[05:28] <Justin_> Abst, yes :)
[05:28] <vanderley> how can I configre my keyboad:
[05:28] <ladydoor> Abst: it's another desktop environment
[05:28] <Abst> Link?
[05:28] <ladydoor> !xfce
[05:28] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:28] <sethk> KDE is _not_ bad.
[05:28] <JoseStefan> CLI for teh win!
[05:28] <Abst> See what ladydoor said
[05:28] <zerojakel> a question somebody has a terminator card TV of kworld
[05:28] <bear> ross: sorry, you need help with a wireless connection
[05:28] <Justin_> ladydoor, No war ?? - it's all about choice, I do not care if people want to run KDE - I am just warning that it is bad ---- unless you love your ram being sucked
[05:28] <zerojakel>
[05:28] <ross> bear: yeah
[05:28] <Abst> Haha
[05:28] <bear> ross: do you have drivers installed
[05:28] <sethk> it's entirely a matter of preference.  kde has some significant features that the other desktops don't have.  That's not to say it's better, just that it is different, but it certainly isn't "bad"
[05:29] <Justin_> sethk, Sure it's not - creating a software registry is not bad of course not
[05:29] <ajhtiredwolf> KDE does look very pretty thogh hah
[05:29] <Abst> KDE is more like windows from pictures
[05:29] <ross> my ubunu isnt recognizing my built in ethernet card
[05:29] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, It is pretty :)
[05:29] <Justin_> I simply like to keep my ram for other ubuntu stuff :P
[05:29] <ross> bear: idk anything about the drivers for it...im a noob
[05:29] <sethk> Justin_, don't voice opinions when you don't understand the issues
[05:29] <digivore> can anyone recommend a package installer, other than adept?
[05:29] <Justin_> sethk, Who are you? - a KDE developer:?
[05:29] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, kde is an excellent piece of work
[05:29] <bear> ross: what kind of card do have
[05:29] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_: That is very true... but I have 2gb of ram lol so...
[05:29] <sethk> Justin_, no, I write kernels and device drivers
[05:29] <Justin_> I know about KDE very well thank you very much.
[05:29] <Skuz`> how do i change my sound to use oss in q3 instead of alsa?
[05:30] <ross> bear: idk its built in
[05:30] <sethk> Justin_, obviously not, if you say it's "bad", that's just ignorant
[05:30] <Justin_> sethk, Whatever stick to KDE - enjoy the registry
[05:30] <Sean> HELLO!
[05:30] <sethk> Justin_, I don't use a registry, but you can keep your illusions if you like
[05:30] <Abst> HEY!
[05:30] <ajhtiredwolf> alright, so im trying to install ubuntu right? But its not working
[05:30] <ross> im in gnome
[05:30] <Justin_> lol.. @ illusions
[05:30] <rugbythomas> is there anyway to make a custom run cd based on the way I have ubuntu set up right now, so that I could take a cd/dvd to a friends computer and do make work there
[05:30] <bear> ross: do this open a terminal and type in sudo lshw    this will list all the hardware install on your computer
[05:31] <sethk> you're right, I should have said delusions
[05:31] <zerojakel> I need to fit a remote control of a terminator TV
[05:31] <ross> ok hold on
[05:31] <bear> ross: look for your network cards I assume you'll have 2
[05:31] <dasGewitte1> rugbythomas: it is possible to make an image of your machine, yes.
[05:31] <ajhtiredwolf> anyone heh?
[05:31] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, what's happening?
[05:31] <ladydoor> !anyone
[05:31] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:31] <ross> bear: ok I have the list
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> I did ask my question...
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> im trying to install ubuntu and it isnt working, when i try and install it in graphical safe mode
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> it doesnt work, it just goes blank on the screen
[05:32] <ladydoor> ajhtiredwolf: try booting into the livecd instead of to safe mode
[05:32] <ross> bear: im not sure how to tell
[05:32] <ladydoor> ajhtiredwolf: the livecd has an installer on it
[05:32] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, or you can try the text mode install from the alternate cd
[05:32] <Jenga> hey. how do I open ports for faster torrent downloads?
[05:32] <wikijeff> According to Synaptic I have OpenOffice Equation editor installed, but I can't add or find it in the application menu, anyone know why??
[05:32] <ajhtiredwolf> alright well hold mabe this will give insite
[05:33] <ajhtiredwolf> I just tried to isntall it regularly
[05:33] <ladydoor> wikijeff: try this:  killall gnome-panel
[05:33] <sethk> wikijeff, it's more or less a plug in.  you can access it from oowriter
[05:33] <NickGarvey> can you move an ext3 partition?
[05:33] <ladydoor> wikijeff: which will restart it
[05:33] <bear> ross: look for the word network
[05:33] <ladydoor> wikijeff: nm what i said then
[05:33] <ross> ok
[05:33] <ajhtiredwolf> and I get this error message: failed to start the X server ( your graphical interface). It is like that it is not set up correctly woudl you like to view the x server output?
[05:33] <Abst> !xserver
[05:33] <zerojakel> ajhtiredwolf: that grafica card you have
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <verbose> in bash how do i generate number 1 through 99 i thought i could do it with tr, but can't find it
[05:33] <Abst> !xwindows
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xwindows - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <Sean> !xwindows
[05:33] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Did you change your driver?
[05:33] <ladydoor> ajhtiredwolf: is this booting into the livecd or booting into the safe mode?
[05:33] <Sean> !sex
[05:33] <Ashex> ACTION sexes Sean
[05:34] <wikijeff> sethk: thanks
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xwindows - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, do the text mode install, it's easier than trying to troubleshoot this during the install process.
[05:34] <ladydoor> !x
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <Sean>  * Ashex sexes Sean
[05:34] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:34] <Abst> !your mum
[05:34] <longwave> wikijeff: the equation editor is a plugin for the various apps - open openoffice writer and go to insert > object > formula
[05:34] <bear> ross: mine says network  discription wireless interface
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about your mum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_: what do oyu mean? I havent installed yet lol
[05:34] <Sean> !MYDICK
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about MYDICK - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <ladydoor> let's not abuse the bot...
[05:34] <Sean> !CUNT
[05:34] <JoseStefan> !botabus
[05:34] <longwave> !ops
[05:34] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, Ahhh ok ok - I thought you had installed ;) - try a text install then
[05:34] <JoseStefan> !botabuse
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about CUNT - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <Sean> !pussy
[05:34] <ladydoor> Sean: ok, that's immature
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botabus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <Sean> !vaginta
[05:34] <jolt> *eyeroll*
[05:34] <ubotu> Help! lilo, Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[05:34] <Abst> Calm down Sean
[05:34] <Abst> Hehe
[05:34] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_: How do I do that?
[05:34] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pussy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <jolt> Captain i think we got a kid...
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vaginta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <JoseStefan> !botabuse > Sean
[05:34] <Justin_> Sean, Enough with the childish stuff..
[05:34] <ladydoor> seriously
[05:34] <Abst> Hes gone
[05:34] <DBO> hes gone
[05:35] <sethk> gee, too bad  :)
[05:35] <ladydoor> plus, it's not just men here
[05:35] <ladydoor> oh
[05:35] <ross> bear: there are a few networks, but the only one with a description is the ethernet controller
[05:35] <ladydoor> good
[05:35] <sethk> ladydoor, he couldn't even spell it  :)
[05:35] <angel12> when i activate my wireless, should it be looking for an ip from <IP_ADDRESS> or my router's ip?
[05:35] <ladydoor> sethk: *sigh*
[05:35] <verbose> angel12: dhcp sends out a request to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:35] <sethk> angel12, all 255's is a broadcast
[05:35] <verbose> it's the broadcast address
[05:35] <ajhtiredwolf> Justin_: ow do I install in text mode?
[05:35] <ladydoor> sethk: it's still annoying
[05:35] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, I believe you need to download the actual text install CD - I think dapper only has LIVE-install by default
[05:35] <verbose> because it doesn't yet know your router's address
[05:36] <sethk> ladydoor, oh, I agree
[05:36] <JoseStefan> ajhtiredwolf, alternate CD
[05:36] <ladydoor> sethk: and it didn't help that he started off with...more offensive words
[05:36] <Justin_> ajhtiredwolf, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179056 <-- same question
[05:36] <angel12> well, its not getting an ip from my router. but my other ubuntu box works just fine
[05:36] <sethk> ladydoor, no argument
[05:36] <Abst> What is your favourite piece of software?
[05:36] <ladydoor> Abst: ratpoison, gnu screen, emacs, & conkeror are tied :-)
[05:36] <JoseStefan> Abst, does the bios count
[05:37] <Justin_> well be back in a bit - :)
[05:37] <verbose> angel12: check the cable, try setting the ip manually and see if you can communicate, make sure the driver is loaded properly for the card, if it's a kernel module or something
[05:37] <sethk> angel12, that's odd, but the initial broadcast isn't the problem
[05:37] <Abst> JoseStefan: Afraid not
[05:37] <jolt> Heh i remember the days when screen was considered multitasking over dialup
[05:37] <CSWookie> Screen is multitasking.
[05:37] <CSWookie> Screen is the best window manager ever.
[05:38] <jolt> Not when you can xterm
[05:38] <verbose> jolt: ?
[05:38] <CSWookie> Xtrem < screen.
[05:38] <ross> Is anyone here know how to configure ubuntu wirelessly?
[05:38] <ajhtiredwolf> Ok well, if I install the alternate cd in text mode. It may work... but won't X still not work once its install?
[05:38] <verbose> how about screen in xterm?
[05:38] <verbose> ooooh
[05:38] <CSWookie> s/xtrem/xterm/
[05:38] <ladydoor> jolt: aha, but can you copy/past in an xterm w/o using the mouse? i think not
[05:38] <JoseStefan> ajhtiredwolf, good point
[05:38] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, probably not
[05:38] <ladydoor> *paste
[05:38] <jolt> True..
[05:38] <Abst> ladydoor: There can only be one?
[05:38] <jolt> screen wins on the accessability front
[05:38] <angel12> verbose, its a wireless, and atme;
[05:38] <CSWookie> verbose: Nah.  I never use my linux computer directly.  I putty there from windows.
[05:39] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, often you can provide enough assistance during installation that it will run X at the end of the process
[05:39] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, what's your video hardware?
[05:39] <JoseStefan> CSWookie, what's the latest putty version?
[05:39] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: X800GTO Connect 3d
[05:39] <Abst> What does ratpoison do
[05:39] <CSWookie> JoseStefan: I don't know.
[05:39] <ladydoor> Abst: with a capital ONE
[05:39] <ladydoor> :-)
[05:39] <verbose> CSWookie: no x11 forwarding?
[05:39] <Flannel> Abst: ratpoison is a WM, that doesn't require a mouse
[05:39] <Abst> Oh
[05:40] <Abst> I'll be deleting that then
[05:40] <CSWookie> Only when I need to use gnucash.
[05:40] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: right now im at ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ it brought me there after the x server error came up and i looked at the error log
[05:40] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, If it can work with fedora, it can work with ubuntu.  it's exactly the same software
[05:40] <Abst> Konkeror?
[05:40] <ladydoor> Abst: nongnu.org/ratpoison
[05:40] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: but... its not lol
[05:40] <CSWookie> ratpoison is the WM I have on my linux box.
[05:40] <verbose> haha
[05:40] <verbose> nice
[05:40] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, I thought you had been using fedora
[05:40] <verbose> keyboard warrior
[05:41] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: yes... i dont doubt that it CAN work.. but I dont know HOW to make it work. Yes I was using fedora, and it was working.
[05:41] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, if you've completed the install, try  (as root) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:41] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: nahh, i havent even begun the install
[05:41] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, you can copy the xorg.conf file from fedora to ubuntu, if you still have it.
[05:41] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: it should be on the hard disk yes
[05:41] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, yes, in /etc/X11
[05:42] <nownott> ok heres the situation i have xp pro on one partition and ubuntu on the same hd but different partition, i have vmware installed on ubuntu and i want to boot windows, but i get a blue screen of death right after the windows splash screen
[05:42] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: but that xorg.conf file is incorrect and was giving me problems.. which is a big reason im trying to use ubuntu in the first place
[05:42] <CSWookie> I'd probably put linux on my laptop, but I'm a web developer.  I have to be able to see what the thing looks like in IE.
[05:42] <wsg> OK, wow, just tried Ubuntu 6.06 DVD release, sucks how to discover the new Gnome ability's
[05:42] <Abst> nownott: #windows
[05:42] <Mukunda> I just installed some updates today, and it has killed compiz, is this a known issue? Metacity still works fine.
[05:42] <burritoortega> CSWookie: you can install internet explorer on linux via wine
[05:42] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, unlikely that switching to ubuntu will solve your problem
[05:42] <wikijeff> What's the best way to create math related document, containing things like matrices and vectors, on ubuntu??
[05:42] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, use the xorg.conf file as documentation, then
[05:42] <burritoortega> CSWookie: i have it, it was easy with winetools
[05:42] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, and use the program I gave you a few minutes ago to configure X
[05:43] <ladydoor> CSWookie: aren't there utils for that? also, you could always put a thing on your page being like "look weird? install a non-sucky, free browser, like firefox!"
[05:43] <Flannel> CSWookie: look into 'ies4lin' it's IE5 5.5 and 6, for leeenux
[05:43] <ergo> does anyone know how to configure the system to input japanese and chinese characters?
[05:43] <nownott> so that is my only option is to depend on #windows?
[05:43] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: program? which program?
[05:43] <Abst> Well its a windows problem
[05:43] <wsg> Anyone got screenshots of the new gnome in action ?
[05:43] <ladydoor> !patience
[05:43] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:43] <Abst> Not a linux one
[05:43] <CSWookie> Hmm.  Now ubunt sounds more atractive.  You're saying that it made installing IE easy?
[05:43] <sethk> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:43] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf,   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:43] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, obviously after you've done a text mode install
[05:43] <StoneNote> nownott, did you create a windows virtual appliance in vmware that is getting a blue screen OR are you pointing vmware to your windows partition and getting the blue screen?
[05:43] <Flannel> CSWookie: yeah, look into it.  They come with a preconfigured wine script, or something like that.  Using the evolt standalones, as far as I'm aware
[05:43] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, I've never tried it with the live cd,
[05:43] <nownott> well have you heard of anyone using vmware to boot a windows partition that already has data on it, not a clean install
[05:44] <StoneNote> nownott, no
[05:44] <ajhtiredwolf> this seems strange... x not working enough for it to install
[05:44] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, yes, it's a bit unusual
[05:44] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, but that's why there is a text mode install (as there is in fedora)
[05:44] <wsg> Anyone got URL'sto the new gnome "screenshots" ?
[05:45] <CSWookie> Debian is loading...
[05:45] <ladydoor> wsg: http://www.gnome.org/
[05:45] <JoseStefan> edgy should have both installers on one disc
[05:45] <StoneNote> nownott, after you setup vmware under ubuntu, you can load virtual machines you download off the vmware site or other places or create your own.  but an os on another parition is NOT a vmware virtual machine
[05:45] <bruenig> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=screenshots/gnome214/LatestGnome214Beta.jpg
[05:45] <Flannel> JoseStefan: theyre completely incompatable
[05:45] <burritoortega> i have a usb stick, and the filesystem seems corrupted, so i have to reformat it... problem is gparted can't do it (i get "error" without description), and i can't do it with mkfs either (i get "/dev/sda contains a mounted file system")... what should i do?
[05:46] <ajhtiredwolf> ah screw it... ive been at this for months now. I guess it just must be my graphics card, it simply won work with linux
[05:46] <JoseStefan> Flannel: i know, but there must be a way
[05:46] <Flannel> JoseStefan: double the size of the CD ;)
[05:46] <ladydoor> burritoortega: you need to do sudo umount /path/to/mount/point
[05:46] <wsg> dont see screenshots there ?
[05:46] <ladydoor> burritoortega: and then try gksudo gparted
[05:46] <burritoortega> i did unmount it
[05:46] <JoseStefan> Flannel: in that case, the DVD does that, i think
[05:46] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, you aren't going to fix it by changing distributions, unless one might have a newer X release than another
[05:46] <burritoortega> but then it doesn't "see" it
[05:46] <nownott> StoneNote: is there another program that might let me do this
[05:47] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, generally fedora is quite good with X configuration.
[05:47] <ladydoor> burritoortega: you may have to point it to /dev/sda
[05:47] <Abst> WSG: (05:45:59) bruenig: http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=screenshots/gnome214/LatestGnome214Beta.jpg
[05:47] <burritoortega> ladydoor: how do i do that exactly?
[05:47] <ladydoor> or do mkfs /dev/sda
[05:47] <bruenig> that might not be the latest but that is what it was named. Perhaps at the time it was named it was the latest
[05:47] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: I was going to use ubuntu because no one in fedora will help you, they are just a bunch of punks over there. But im done, just done. Its not going to work
[05:47] <ladydoor> burritoortega: i don't know. look for an option to add an fs
[05:47] <burritoortega> ladydoor: i already did mkfs -t msdos /dev/sda
[05:47] <StoneNote> nownott, not that I know of.  there might be a forum at vmware you can ask that question at.
[05:47] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, it may, I've fixed a lot of bizarre X problems over the years.
[05:47] <ladydoor> burritoortega: while it was unmounted?
[05:47] <burritoortega> nope, mounted
[05:48] <wesley> does network-manager work with ndiswrapper?
[05:48] <wsg> Abst sweet, nice mac style look, there more on that area ?
[05:48] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, if the issue is configuration and you can get more help for one than another, that's a rational reason to try another distro
[05:48] <burritoortega> ladydoor: is it the same if i unmount it via gui?
[05:48] <Abst> wsg: Ask bruenig, I just pasted it
[05:48] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, but buying another graphics card is a lot less stressful
[05:48] <ladydoor> wesley: you can't configure ndiswrapper from it, but you can bring up the connection that ndiswrapper presents
[05:48] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: its just ive been at this for a very ... very long time. And I dont know enough about it to fix it. And I dont have the money for another card so, im just going to stick with windows I guess, much as I hate it.
[05:48] <wesley> ladydoor: thanks.  I can't get it working since I updated from 510
[05:48] <bruenig> wsg, that has a lot of modifications done to it. If you want the base look of it, might want to try to find something else
[05:49] <ladydoor> burritoortega: i don't know, i don't usually use gui tools if i can avoid it
[05:49] <bruenig> google tends to do well with me
[05:49] <nigel> I need someone here who had knowledge of wireless networking...
[05:49] <nigel> has*
[05:49] <Abst> !ladydoor
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ladydoor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <burritoortega> kq@dapper:~$ mkfs -t msdos /dev/sda
[05:49] <burritoortega> mkfs.msdos 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[05:49] <burritoortega> mkfs.msdos: unable to open /dev/sda
[05:49] <ladydoor> Abst: eh?
[05:49] <Hexidigital> nigel::  what's the problem?
[05:49] <eliran> don't know
[05:49] <burritoortega> ladydoor: that's what i did
[05:49] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, best we can do here is try to help you configure it, and it appears the text mode install is your best option at this point.  but I can understand if you don't want to deal with it.
[05:49] <burritoortega> ladydoor: after umounting it
[05:49] <nigel> hex: When I start to tax my internet connection , which is over the wireless , the connection goes down..
[05:50] <ladydoor> wesley: hmmm...ndiswrapper -l say "driver present, hardware present" or whatever?
[05:50] <nigel> hex : And I'll have to disconnect the adapter , and reconnect , as the fastest way to get it back up..
[05:50] <wsg> bruenig yea, I know, I have OSX running on a INTEL PC, be nice to get Linux with the look, linux provides better "Support" but OSX is nice to try .
[05:50] <Hexidigital> nigel::  anything particular throwing it off?
[05:50] <ladydoor> burritoortega: is it maybe /dev/sda1? that's what it is on mine (but i don't know)
[05:50] <wesley> yeah
[05:50] <ajhtiredwolf> sethk: i'll give the text mode a shot, but im guessing x isnt going to work once its installed, and I have NO idea how to configure it, and i haven't been able to get any good help thus far, but i'll work on it tomorrow, for now sleep
[05:50] <ajhtiredwolf> thanks anyway
[05:50] <nigel> hex: Downloads the majority of the time , but earlier uploads threw it off too...
[05:50] <Abst> Where is the default web dir for apache?
[05:50] <wesley> ladydoor: i can bring it up with iwconfig/ifup
[05:50] <nigel> hex : extremely annoying..
[05:50] <ergo> does anyone know how to configure  DAPPER to input japanese and chinese characters?
[05:51] <Hexidigital> nigel::  what type of connection? cable/dsl?
[05:51] <nigel> dsl
[05:51] <Abst> "edubuntu
[05:51] <nigel> 256 down , 128 up
[05:51] <Abst> !edubuntu
[05:51] <ubotu> Edubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org
[05:51] <ladydoor> wesley: hmmm...did you do ndiswrapper -m?
[05:51] <ladydoor> wesley: (sudo)
[05:51] <wesley> ladydoor: i remove the entries from /etc/network/interfaces and restart dbus and it detects it but won't go
[05:51] <bruenig> wsg, check out dreamlinux. Looks nearly identical http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/saiba-screen.html
[05:51] <ladydoor> wesley: oh. huh
[05:51] <ladydoor> :-(
[05:52] <Brokenstein> hi what do i need for quicktime to work in firefox?
[05:52] <nigel> hex : any idea of what the problem may be ?
[05:52] <wesley> ladydoor: does it use dhcdbd?  I've got some errors in my logs
[05:52] <StoneNote> ergo, check out http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_type_extended_characters
[05:52] <Hexidigital> nigel::  i dunno man.. that's out of my "turf".... i am better with hardware wireless config
[05:52] <nigel> hex : hmm..
[05:52] <ladydoor> wesley: sorry...i've got nothing
[05:52] <Hexidigital> nigel::  sorry
[05:52] <nigel> hex : Thanks for the effort though
[05:52] <burritoortega> ladydoor: mkfs.msdos: unable to open /dev/sda1
[05:52] <nigel> hex : ;)
[05:52] <wesley> ladydoor: ok thx anyway
[05:52] <ladydoor> burritoortega: are you sudoing? sorry, i'm kind of making this up as i go along
[05:52] <sethk> nigel, when you say goes down, do you mean that literally?  when you do ifconfig, it doesn't show the interface?
[05:52] <ladydoor> wesley: :-/
[05:53] <burritoortega> ladydoor: i tried with and without sudo
[05:53] <nigel> Yes , doesn't show any connection..
[05:53] <angel12> anyone have an atmel card in dapper?
[05:53] <ladydoor> burritoortega: oh...hm. Have you tried the livecd?
[05:53] <wsg> bruenig "sweet" like to install Ubuntu with that look.
[05:53] <ladydoor> burritoortega: you can get it off their site
[05:53] <ergo> ok thanks a lot ..going to check it out now
[05:53] <burritoortega> ladydoor: nope, but that shouldn't change anything, should it?
[05:53] <nigel> hex : you know of any third party programs that may be able to help me sustain a connection ?
[05:53] <ladydoor> burritoortega: other than that i haven't the foggiest...sorry
[05:53] <burritoortega> ladydoor: thanks anyway
[05:53] <ladydoor> burritoortega: i don't know. probably not
[05:54] <ladydoor> burritoortega: sorry :-/
[05:54] <burritoortega> i have a usb stick, and the filesystem seems corrupted, so i have to reformat it... problem is gparted can't do it (i get "error" without description), and i can't do it with mkfs either (i get "/dev/sda contains a mounted file system")... what should i do?
[05:54] <bruenig> wsg, if you do like dreamlinux I would caution you in using it as a lot of the documentation is in portugeese
[05:54] <Hexidigital> nigel::  are you using gnome?
[05:54] <nigel> hex : yep
[05:54] <bruenig> wsg, oh yeah, that would take quite a bit of work
[05:54] <Hexidigital> nigel::  press tab after typing hex, so i can see a highlighted message, please :)
[05:54] <dcstimm_> hey guys, How do I burn the x86 and ppc isos to one disk so I dont have to carry around two?
[05:54] <nigel> oh , didn't know that lol , thanks
[05:55] <jbroome> dcstimm_: they won't fit
[05:55] <nigel> hex : works ?
[05:55] <bruenig> dcstimm_, I assume you have a dvd?
[05:55] <Hexidigital> nigel::  if you dont mind downloading some KDE libraries, you can sudo apt-get install wireless-assistant
[05:55] <dcstimm_> jbroome, I modified them so they are 200mb
[05:55] <nigel> I have that..
[05:55] <nigel> I have kde and xfce installed also..
[05:55] <wsg> bruening gdesklette's ? "osx" theme ? wonder if there would be a way to import that "toolbar" into ubuntu ?
[05:55] <Hexidigital> !tab > nigel
[05:55] <burritoortega> i have a usb stick, and the filesystem seems corrupted, so i have to reformat it... problem is gparted can't do it (i get "error" without description), and i can't do it with mkfs either (i get "/dev/sda contains a mounted file system")... what should i do ?
[05:55] <Abst> !you
[05:55] <DammitCoetzee> hammer
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <DammitCoetzee> i fix all my file system errors with a hammer
[05:55] <Flannel> burritoortega: unmount it first
[05:55] <bruenig> wsg, that is xfce, ubuntu uses gnome, you could use gdesklets if you want for the dock but it won't look as polished as that
[05:56] <Flannel> burritoortega: that's probably why gparted is having issues too
[05:56] <burritoortega> Flannel: when i unmount it, it doesn't "see it"
[05:56] <nigel> Hexidigital: oh , i see..
[05:56] <nigel> Is that what your looking for ?
[05:56] <Hexidigital> nigel::  wireless-assistant may be able to keep your connection up... or it may be interfering with another wireless program
[05:56] <wsg> bruenig this looks sweet ?  http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=screenshots/gnome214/CompizCubeEffect.png
[05:56] <yggdrasil> does anyone here know of a web based thing like nukephp or xoops that is like a video gallery ?
[05:57] <bruenig> wsg, xgl and compiz, that is a headache
[05:57] <nigel> Hexidigital: well , I can use it to reconnect , but on the other hand , it runs slowly and takes a while to put settings into place..
[05:57] <dcstimm_> bruenig, any idea?
[05:57] <yggdrasil> where i can just upload my video files .. kind of like a photo gallery
[05:57] <Hexidigital> nigel::  did you edit your /etc/network/interfaces file at all?
[05:57] <nigel> No.
[05:57] <nigel> Hexidigital: No.
[05:57] <bruenig> dcstimm_, I couldn't think of a way to do it without modifying each of them so that you are given some sort of prompt allowing you to choose between them which I certainly don't know how you would do that
[05:57] <Hexidigital> !paste > nigel
[05:57] <Hexidigital> nigel::  pastebin your /etc/network/interface file for me
[05:57] <burritoortega> Flannel: mkfs.msdos: unable to open /dev/sda
[05:58] <burritoortega> Flannel: that's after unmounting it
[05:58] <Hexidigital> nigel::  post the link when you are done
[05:58] <dcstimm_> bruenig, well thats not needed, I just need two sessions
[05:58] <nigel> Hexidigital: ok
[05:58] <wsg> brueniig that "3D" effect is supposed to be a part of the New Gnome ?
[05:58] <Lard-O-Lad> How can i use the DOM inspector for firefox with ubuntu?
[05:58] <dcstimm_> bruenig, pcs boot of the last session, and on mac it boots off hfs/iso hybrid only, so it will detect it
[05:58] <nigel> Hexidigital: Can't we have a private chatroom ?
[05:58] <Hexidigital> nigel::  sure, pm me
[05:59] <dcstimm_> bruenig, so if I can figure out multisession burning, I think it would work
[05:59] <bruenig> oh because the cd isn't writable after it I got you
[05:59] <burritoortega> i have a usb stick, and the filesystem seems corrupted, so i have to reformat it... problem is gparted can't do it (i get "error" without description), and i can't do it with mkfs either (i get "/dev/sda contains a mounted file system")... what should i do?
[05:59] <ladydoor> !repeat
[05:59] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:00] <wsg> How do you configure that "3D" look in gnome ?
[06:00] <bruenig> wsg, that is compiz, that is a seperate thing from gnome altogether perhaps it will be integrated into the next gnome, kind of doubt it
[06:00] <burritoortega> !patience
[06:00] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:00] <bruenig> !xgl
[06:00] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems