[00:10] <ball> It looks as though vnc4server wasn't at fault: Xfce4 was eating my tab key for some reason.
[00:13] <dougbb> Is this the right place to ask about 14.04 b1 problems?
[00:15] <krytarik> dougbb: No, that's actually #ubuntu+1.
[00:15] <dougbb> even for xubuntu related stuff?
[00:16] <krytarik> Generally, yes.
[00:16] <dougbb> Ok, thanks!
[08:27] <[devil-boy]> greets
[12:19] <xubuntu800> hello
[12:19] <xubuntu800> can some one help me
[12:21] <knome> ...
[13:47] <zleap> hi
[13:48] <zleap> just installed xubuntu 13.10
[13:51] <GridCube> congrats
[13:52] <zleap> thanks
[13:52] <zleap> just trying to re-configure thunderbird, i copied or backed up my settings folder .thunderbird from my previous install and it should restore settings or i thought it would but it hasn't
[13:55] <zleap> thats better monospace-11 as font size
[14:03] <GridCube> zleap, no idea
[14:04] <knome> did you copy the directory over, and only then ran thunderbird?
[14:04] <knome> some of the settings might be overwritten if you copy when running thunderbird
[14:06] <koegs> and make sure to delete the old .thunderbird first
[14:07] <knome> i wonder if some settings are saved under .mozilla as well
[14:07] <koegs> nope
[14:07] <knome> apparently not
[14:07] <knome> wonder why .thunderbird isn't under .mozilla like firefox :)
[14:08] <elfy> zleap: have you checked in .thunderbird to see if there are 2 folders in there?
[14:09] <elfy> if you copy a backed up one in there - then you could have 2 - and the profile.ini file might well be looking at the wrong one
[14:10] <elichai2> i've got a problem: http://pastebin.com/Jc8F3N1P
[14:11] <koegs> !ot | elichai2
[14:11] <knome> elichai2, ummh, looks like that's because you are using debian repositories
[14:12] <elichai2> yeah, i'm using debian
[14:12] <elichai2> but #debian couldn't help me
[14:12] <GridCube> elichai2, then what do you expect us to do?
[14:12] <elichai2> and xubuntu is almost the same thing
[14:12] <koegs> lol
[14:13] <koegs> sry, wc
[14:13] <knome> elichai2, not really. this isn't the right channel to ask
[14:13] <GridCube> elichai2, its... not when it comes to repositories and dependencies
[14:15] <zleap> elfy, there seems to be
[14:16] <zleap> imap smtp and imap-1
[14:18] <android_> hello please is here anyone who can help me solve the problem with my Gpu driver? i was on many channels but no success at all . i have xubuntu13 and there is no way that i can use flash  on windows and yesterday i try kali linux it work prfect ... i m on that issue for a week so if any one can give a hand and finaly get rid of that bloody problem will make my day ....please
[14:18] <elichai2> ok, thanks
[14:21] <elfy> zleap: not quite what I meant I would have u8jl3bfh.default and another oddly named one if I didn't deal with this a different way
[14:22] <zleap> du64j714.default
[14:22] <zleap> i have that and crash reports
[14:23] <elfy> zleap: ok - so is that you're backup folder? what settings do you think it's not kept?
[14:24] <zleap> settings to connect to mail sever etc
[14:24] <zleap> i just deleted the local .thunderbird folder and am copying over the one i backed up
[14:25] <elfy> zleap: well that should work - it's worked for me like that for as long as can remember
[14:25] <zleap> ok
[14:25] <zleap> when i load thunderbird up it just goes to the screen that attempts to set things up
[14:25] <elfy> ok - so have a look at profile.ini
[14:26] <zleap> opened that
[14:26] <zleap> start with last profile = 1
[14:26] <zleap> i then have profile0
[14:27] <zleap> name default
[14:27] <elfy> zleap: yep
[14:27] <elfy> hang on a moment
[14:27] <zleap> ok
[14:28] <elfy> zleap - have you copied the backup into .thunderbird now?
[14:28] <zleap> yeah
[14:29] <zleap> well i copied the whole thing over
[14:29] <zleap> .thuderbird on my old and everything in it, got moved over
[14:29] <zleap> then just moved back again,
[14:29] <zleap> permissions are fine as both login names are the same
[14:31] <elfy> zleap: pastebin the profile.ini
[14:31] <elfy> !paste
[14:31] <elfy> and also ls .thunderbird/
[14:32] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/FeS9aNHD
[14:32] <android_> can someone help me please with flash?
[14:33] <koegs> android_: 13.04 or 13.10? how did you install flash? what gpu are you using?
[14:33] <elfy> zleap: ok - the ls ?
[14:33] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/UXy83EhM
[14:34] <zleap> i changed the startwith last profile = 0 from 1 to 0 btw
[14:34] <android_> at first thaank u .. i just follow steps by the guys on irc
[14:35] <android_> its an old pc
[14:35] <android_> works fine with win 7 and kali
[14:35] <android_> mint and xubuntu not
[14:35] <cfhowlett> !flash|android_,
[14:35] <android_> 13,10
[14:36] <elfy> zleap: I think you'll want that to be 1 - the rest looks right to me
[14:36] <android_> look i did all of it and even i m a noob i know that the problem is with some driver not with flash
[14:37] <koegs> is flash working but looking weird or what is your problem with flash?
[14:37] <android_> last time i did exactly what u ask me for i lost sound ... and till now is like that
[14:38] <elfy> zleap: you could try setting IsRelative=0 ans StartWith..=1
[14:38] <elfy> that's how mine is set
[14:38] <android_> so ubottu can u give me a hand with that? please i m so tired walking tru that issue for e week now !!!!
[14:38] <ikonia> ubottu: is a bot
[14:39] <android_> what is bot?
[14:39] <android_> sorry i dont understand
[14:40] <zleap> elfy, shoudl there not be an easier way for users to back all this up you can with firefox
[14:40] <zleap> android_, a bot is a program designed to give you auto responses in IRC
[14:40] <zleap> and do other tasks
[14:40] <android_> lol
[14:40] <android_> thanks
[14:41] <android_> fk. i m talking to program ?
[14:42] <android_> can u help me please?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> android_, you didn't even answer the question you were asked
[14:42] <android_> i did more as 100 times !!
[14:42] <zleap> elfy what have they done to thunderbird you seem to have to go in circles to get to advanced settings
[14:42] <elfy> zleap: make one to do it? but it's not any different here than it is with windows and tbird/firefox
[14:42] <android_> ok please ask me again
[14:42] <koegs> android_: 13.04 or 13.10? how did you install flash? what gpu are you using?
[14:43] <koegs> is flash working but looking weird or what is your problem with flash?
[14:43] <android_> nity/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash
 13,10
[14:43] <cfhowlett> !details|android_,
[14:43] <zleap> but I can sync stuff like bookmarks etc in firefox
[14:43] <android_> ok
[14:44] <elfy> zleap: maybe so - but ... I really don't have the inclination to get into what needs to be done - all I know is - I copy the folder into .tbird, start tbird and it works for me
[14:46] <elfy> zleap: if you've still got copy of the backup - then close tbird, delete the .thunderbird folder from the new install, copy it back from the backup and then start tbird
[14:46] <elfy> zleap: don't delete it though if you've not got the backup still
[14:48] <android_> i had win 7 ( work ok) i wanted to go to linux and i install mint  but flash dont work there at all then i try ubunti same problem  then i install kali  it was more as perfect no problem at all with flash  but thats not dist for me  so choose xubuntu cos someone here told me is good for ancient pcs  and iv got the same problem  no flash working i spend here hours folowing steps from ppl who knows but no success . so my problem is fla
[14:48] <android_> sh and yes i did all i was ask for but it didnt help and now i dont have even sound .
[14:48] <zleap> elfy, ok
[14:49] <android_> and it is 13.10
[14:50] <koegs> your text stopped after " so my problem is fla "
[14:51] <android_> sh... i was talking again to program ?
[14:51] <knome> koegs, see the next line :)
[14:51] <koegs> knome: thx, sometimes i have brainlag :(
[14:52] <android_> ??
[14:52] <koegs> android_: maybe the easiest way would be to do a fresh install, then come back and see if we can get flash running
[14:53] <android_> i did that at least 10 times
[14:53] <android_> it is sure a driver problem
[14:54] <android_> i need some kind of ancient driver
[14:54] <zleap> elfy, i can manually point tb to the right folder now I have got to the advanced settings page
[14:54] <elfy> zleap: what page is this?
[14:55] <android_> please can u help me?
[14:55] <cfhowlett> !patience|android_,
[14:55] <android_> i did all of that :(
[14:56] <cfhowlett> android_, operative word here is "patience" as in - get some.
[14:56] <zleap> perferences, settings, server settings - local directory
[14:56] <android_> do u mean like what one more week?
[14:56] <zleap> however it seems to be confused as to where the server is it is asking me to log in to
[14:56] <zleap><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:56] <zleap> which doesn't look right
[14:56] <android_> i m here for  a week talking with program
[14:57] <koegs> android_: which GPU?
[14:57] <android_> maybe someone can tell me if there is any way to download drivers from kali and put them here since they wor so nice?
[14:58] <android_> koegs old one
[14:58] <koegs> which one?
[14:58] <android_> give me the line ill type it on terminall and show to u
[14:58] <android_> thants for ur time
[14:59] <koegs> lspci -nnk | grep "VGA\|'Kern'\|3D\|Display" -A2
[14:59] <android_> i mean please give me the command
[14:59] <koegs> !paste | android_
[15:00] <android_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02)
[15:00] <android_> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company D530 sff(dc578av) [103c:12bc]
[15:00] <android_> 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[15:05] <android_> koegs r u still here ? just asking
[15:08] <android_> ?
[15:09] <android_> koegs r u bot to? sorry if not but i really dont know and i need some help here
[15:10] <knome> android_, he's using the bot to give you instruction links
[15:10] <android_> ok
[15:10] <knome> android_, just follow patiently what he says, and answer when asked
[15:10] <elfy> android_: the only bot is ubot - everyone else is people - they use the bot to give common instructions
[15:11] <android_> maybe u can help me?
[15:11] <android_> please
[15:11] <android_> ok
[15:11] <koegs> i am not sure if "reverting to an old driver" is a good way and i am pretty sure by installing flash you will not loose sound
[15:11] <android_> now i understand sorry for my ignorance
[15:12] <koegs> still, my approach would be: reinstall, make sure you have sound, then come back here
[15:13] <android_> no someone told me to add (waiT)ILL FIND WHAT
[15:13] <android_> SOME PARTNER THINGS
[15:14] <koegs> basically after a fresh install the only command you will need is "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"
[15:14] <koegs> then you should have flash in firefox
[15:14] <android_> yes i did exactly like that
[15:14] <zleap> ok i have asked the person who helped me set up the mail server (well he is hosting it) for the right settings for thunderbird so will try it that way
[15:14] <zleap> its a case of the right combination of uid/password and other settings ports, etc and it should work
[15:16] <android_> koegs why everything works on win and kali but not on mint or ubuntu?
[15:17] <android_> the problem is that every time i ask for help i have to do 100 things i did before with someone else and then i m in the same point
[15:18] <koegs> well, "install xubuntu and use one command" are two things, not a hundred things...
[15:22] <android_> well i mean i did it what u sey exactly for 100 times
[15:23] <android_> i mean not 100 times exactly  byt exactly what u say for like 90 times :)
[15:23] <koegs> and what happens then?
[15:23] <android_> i m in the same point
[15:23] <koegs> you never exactly described your "flash problem"...
[15:23] <android_> well what do u mean what happen?
[15:23] <android_> u see i m here
[15:23] <android_> thats happen:)
[15:24] <koegs> that is not a "flash problem"...
[15:24] <android_> i know that my ps is old
[15:24] <android_> ofcourse not
[15:24] <koegs> to be honest, i dont need more explanations, i need details
[15:24] <android_> that what i sed to many from the beginning
[15:24] <android_> is driver problem!!!!
[15:25] <koegs> please... try to describe your "flash problem" as detailed as possible and do not say "it is a driver problem"
[15:25] <android_> so i m looking for help with the driver witch cose the flash problem (sorry for my english):)
[15:26] <android_> ok can u come and see by ur self please ?
[15:26] <android_> i mean with teamviewer?
[15:26] <android_> i m so tired of the describing for not 100 but 1000 times
[15:26] <koegs> you did not describe your problem once...
[15:27] <cfhowlett> android_, post the issue to the forums.  describe fully.  copy the link.  use the link whenever someone asks you to describe your issue.
[15:27] <android_> my id is 111 645 851
[15:27] <android_> password 2507
[15:27] <koegs> now everybody will hack your computer
[15:27] <android_> ok
[15:28] <knome> android_, i would advise you to change your password immediately.
[15:28] <koegs> it is never a good idea to post teamviewer-credentials to an unknown person or a public channel
[15:28] <android_> there is no way to fix the flash player !!!!! i need some ancient driver !!!
[15:28] <android_> i know
[15:29] <android_> but as u know to i have nothing on that computer cos is for a week install and reinstall :)
[15:29] <koegs> my patience is gone, as cfhowlett said, try to describe your problem in the forums and really... do not think it is a driver problem in general
[15:29] <android_> so if we find the problem ill know for the fresh install :)
[15:29] <android_> is just a mashine
[15:29] <android_> nothing privet in !!!
[15:30] <android_> i m doing that for so long !!!
[15:30] <knome> android_, please calm down
[15:30] <knome> android_, and please understand that we are all volunteers here
[15:30] <android_> my is gone long time ago but who give a s...t
[15:30] <android_> ok sorry knome
[15:31] <android_> i know that
[15:31] <knome> android_, so you problem is that "flash doesn't work", right?
[15:31] <android_> i truly apologise my behavior
[15:31] <android_> i just desperate looking for help
[15:32] <knome> ok, please answer my question so maybe we can get some progress here
[15:32] <android_> that was till 3 -4 hours ago after some tips from here there is no sound to
[15:32] <android_> but the main problem is flash
[15:32] <knome> what is it with flash?
[15:33] <android_> i cant watch any thing on ytube for example
[15:33] <knome> okay
[15:33] <knome> have you installed flash?
[15:33] <zleap> android_, try www.youtube.com/html5
[15:33] <zleap> that gets round it,
[15:33] <android_> i cant even check my own flash on adobe side cos the flash dont work
[15:34] <knome> android_, have you installed flash?
[15:34] <android_> ok right now
[15:34] <android_> many many times with help from here
[15:34] <zleap> android_, i have just installed a clean xubuntu and can watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmDgm48Gv6Y fine
[15:34] <android_> ok i see that side very clearly
[15:35] <zleap> wheni installed i clicked the box to download other stuff, drivers, non free etc
[15:36] <android_> zleap of course u can  but u is u i mean yr pc is yours not mine mine is very old!!!
[15:36] <knome> android_, ok, please calm down now.
[15:36] <android_> :)
[15:36] <zleap> but it should still pull things down it needs
[15:36] <android_> ...sory
[15:36] <zleap> if you tell it to,
[15:36] <zleap> i have had real issues with flash in the past but not recently
[15:36] <knome> zleap, unless you can guide him through real issues, please don't intervent
[15:37] <zleap> sorry
[15:37] <android_> no whatever needs flash i just see come yellow and violet lines
[15:37] <knome> it's okay if you want to help him, but then please do that, and not say "works for me"
[15:37] <knome> android_, so something is "playing" anyway?
[15:37] <android_> yes
[15:38] <android_> i can see some lines like shapes
[15:38] <android_> but made of colour lines
[15:38] <android_> maybe i can make screen shot?
[15:38] <android_> so u have more info?
[15:38] <knome> android_, ok, in that case, try to right-click a flash video, select "settings", and in the first tab from left, uncheck "enable hardware acceleration"
[15:39] <android_> oops sorry where i find the flash video now ?
[15:39] <knome> android_, any flash video.
[15:40] <android_> if i understand i can open now any lets say youtube video and right click on it?
[15:40] <knome> yes
[15:41] <android_> ok
[15:43] <android_> so when i open any video now the pic. is devidet half half right click >seting and i m on xubuntu main seting ?
[15:43] <android_> please can u jump here to look at it ?
[15:43] <knome> you are not making any sense; as i said, right-click a flash video and select settings
[15:43] <knome> it opens the flash plugin settings
[15:43] <android_> yes
[15:44] <android_> thats what i did
[15:44] <knome> in the first tab from left ("display"), uncheck "enable hardware acceleration"
[15:44] <knome> and click close
[15:44] <knome> does that fix your issue?
[15:45] <android_> it does not work at all
[15:45] <knome> what does not work at all?
[15:48] <android_> i mean when i click right on movie i see : allow flash movie from the side,copy flash lokation,flashblok options,remove this flash,inspect element,addblock plus thats it
[15:50] <knome> which browser are you using?
[15:51] <android_> firefox
[15:51] <knome> ok, have you installed gnash or the adobe flash?
[15:51] <android_> i try both before
[15:51] <android_> now is adobe
[15:52] <android_> non is working
[15:52] <android_> cos i truly think is the driver issue
[15:52] <android_> but ok i m just simple user sure u know whats right
[15:54] <android_> and by the way since i did what i was before ask for on the utube now i have the black screen (u know for the movie) and there is letter f wasnt before
[15:54] <cfhowlett> android_, almost every person here is "just a simple user" ...
[15:55] <zleap> click on the letter f
[15:55] <android_> so where r the ppl who create that i tough is u guys?
[15:55] <holstein> i test with the chrome browser. not chroium.. since adobe provides chrome the latest flash
[15:55] <knome> android_, if you have adobe flash installed, you should have the "settings" menu item
[15:55] <zleap> that usually pops up if you have flashblock but i don't think that is the case here
[15:55] <cfhowlett> android_, as stated previously, "volunteers" ....
[15:55] <holstein> you can use chromium with the latest flash from chrome.. but, its easy enough to install chrome and test, and see if it having the latest version addresses your issues
[15:56] <android_> well when i click the black screen split half left side is violet with lines right side is black
[15:56] <android_> i try it to chromium no help :(
[15:56] <holstein> android_: and with the chrome browser? utilizing the latest version of flash?
[15:56] <holstein> android_: *chrome*.. not chromium, as i said
[15:57] <holstein> android_: you can reference https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ where it is stated that the version in chrome is newer
[15:57] <android_> ok trust me please since i m on it for a week i did all
[15:57] <holstein> android_: did you try chrome?
[15:57] <android_> iceweasel chrome chromium opera whatever name it
[15:57] <android_> always same problem
[15:58] <holstein> android_: open chrome, and go to https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and tell me what version is listed
[15:58] <android_> can i some how give u screen shot?
[15:58] <android_> please?
[15:58] <holstein> !paste
[15:58] <android_> so yu can see it
[15:59] <android_> well i dont have now chrome since i try again with new installation like 4-5 hours ago
[15:59] <android_> ok i have screen shot where to send it?
[15:59] <android_> i just dont remember sorry
[16:00] <cfhowlett> android_, read the link.  instructions are there
[16:01] <holstein> !paste | android_
[16:06] <android_> sorry i tooks some time cos when i make screenshot the flash crash :0
[16:06] <android_> http://imagebin.org/299748
[16:08] <android_> r u still there guys ? or ill have to start all again with someone else? :)
[16:08] <zleap> ok back
[16:08] <android_> :)
[16:09] <holstein> android_: i think i would follow knome 's suggestion to the letter, since it seems the exact same issue
[16:10] <holstein> android_: for me, its just unclear what you have, or what you have done so far that could be causing the fixes not to work
[16:10] <android_> i dont see any seting menu item here?
[16:10] <knome> android_, when you right-click on the green/purple video?
[16:11] <holstein> android_: what version of flash are you getting when you visit https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[16:12] <android_> well i understand u but as i set i m here for a week with that problem so i im just really stupid now following tasks given from ppl so i my self have no idea to what i did or what i didnt
[16:12] <android_> but that is new install  like 5-6 hours
[16:12] <cfhowlett> android_, start keeping records
[16:12] <holstein> android_: what version of flash reports at https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ ?
[16:12] <android_> ok i cant see on adobe anything cos the flash don work
[16:13] <holstein> android_: i understand this can be frustrating for you as a user, but adobe doesnt allow us much freedom here, and i need to know what version reports at https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[16:13] <holstein> android_: you should see it in text below the banner i assume you are saying you have issues with
[16:14] <android_> http://imagebin.org/299750
[16:14] <knome> android_, we see that.
[16:14] <holstein> android_: the sight here https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[16:14] <knome> android_, and your flash *does* work. just not as it should.
[16:14] <android_> now u can tell me maybe ?
[16:14] <android_> cos as i set i cant see
[16:15] <android_> maybe
[16:15] <android_> but that is so annoing
[16:15] <knome> android_, can you please answer either my or holstein's question?
[16:16] <holstein> android_: please visit this site https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and tell me what version.. when i go, it says "You have version 12,0,0,77 installed"
[16:16] <knome> unless you answer our questions, we can't help you
[16:16] <android_> why works on kali  or windows 7 ?
[16:16] <android_> or xp?
[16:16] <android_> no idea
[16:16] <knome> android_, can we please focus on getting the issue fixed
[16:16] <holstein> android_: adobe officialy supports windows..
[16:16] <android_> i love that idea THANK U
[16:16] <andry> hi folks
[16:16] <holstein> android_: kali is an older version with a differnt kernel.. all of that is quite irrelevant
[16:16] <android_> and kali?
[16:17] <knome> android_, so please answer either my or holstein's question
[16:17] <holstein> android_: as stated above, its a different release.. differnt kernel
[16:17] <knome> andry, hello
[16:17] <android_> repete the question please
[16:17] <holstein> android_: what version of flas is reported at https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[16:17] <cfhowlett> andry, greetings.  state your ubuntu issue.
[16:17] <android_> i just send u screenshot !!!
[16:17] <knome> android_, you didn't
[16:18] <knome> android_, it was a screenshot of youtube
[16:18] <android_> i can not see it what version it is
[16:18] <holstein> android_: no, you sent the same screenshot from before. and i dont need/want a screenshot
[16:18] <android_> no the other one!!
[16:18] <holstein> android_: thats the youtube video page
[16:18] <android_> ok wait
[16:18] <holstein> android_: there is no other one, and if there is, you will calmly repost for me
[16:18] <holstein> android_: help me help you by visting https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and tell me what version is reported in text. no screenshot is neceesary
[16:19] <android_> yes i m so sorry my mistake
[16:19] <android_> http://imagebin.org/299751
[16:19] <android_> i did it but i send the wrong one
[16:20] <holstein> android_: ok. and when you right click on the garbled image?
[16:20] <android_> ok wait
[16:20] <andry> is anyone else into the source code of xfwm? i patched it to maximze the window at drag-to-top (instead of tiling it into a half) .. but i still have some issues
[16:20] <andry> like it isnt "really" maximized, just full sized
[16:21] <knome> andry, i'd ask #xfce-dev
[16:21] <andry> ok thank you :)
[16:21] <knome> np, good luck
[16:21] <android_> lol i cant send u screen shot of that ...any time i do the right click desapire
[16:22] <android_> ok so when i do right click i have :)
[16:22] <holstein> android_: its not disapearing for me and you used to say it didnt come up, so, is it coming up and going away? or not coming up?
[16:23] <android_> view image..copy image etc...
[16:23] <android_> no setting!!
[16:23] <knome> android_, please keep calm
[16:23] <holstein> android_: but, the menu comes up? that is my question
[16:24] <android_> it is coming ap other small window with view ,copy etz. but when i want to make screenshot is gon !!
[16:24] <holstein> android_: if so, try http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html step 5 has an animation that should give you the settings menu.. assuming its coming up now, and not disapearing..
[16:24] <android_> yes
[16:24] <android_> it comes
[16:24] <holstein> android_: i dont need a screenshot, friend
[16:24] <holstein> android_: it will go away.. im not asking for a screenshot
[16:24] <android_> ok :)
[16:25] <android_> ok
[16:25] <holstein> android_: what i am asking is.. vist http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html ..go to step 5.. right click on that animation there.. and see if you can access the "settings" menu
[16:26] <android_> ok on stage 5 i see same thing like always
[16:26] <holstein> android_: ok.. and that is what?
[16:26] <android_> some dots and lines
[16:26] <android_> looks like a tree
[16:26] <holstein> android_: and when you right click on it?
[16:26] <android_> ok one sec
[16:27] <android_> yes there is seting but i cant open it ???
[16:27] <holstein> android_: why not? "cant" doenst convey information to me
[16:27] <holstein> android_: you click and the menu doesnt repond? it crashes? what?
[16:28] <android_> well i choose seting i mean i click on it and nothing happen the whole window desapire
[16:28] <holstein> android_: what window? the browser? the desktop?
[16:29] <android_> the one with options after right click
[16:29] <holstein> android_: i suggest trying #ubuntu and you can try http://www.adobe.com/company/contact.html?promoid=JOPDO but i dont think they support linux
[16:29] <android_> like : zoom in show all,
[16:30] <android_> i did ubuntu to:(
[16:30] <knome> android_, so, to double-check...
[16:30] <android_> i m really sure is an issue with driver  so maybe we can work on that ?
[16:30] <knome> android_, you right-click the animation, and the context menu opens
[16:30] <holstein> android_: sure.. and the issue is, its not a xubuntu/xfce/linux/ubntu product
[16:30] <android_> YES
[16:30] <holstein> android_: then, try a different driver
[16:30] <knome> android_, then you left-click on "settings" (not "global settings")
[16:31] <holstein> android_: i suggest the vesa driver
[16:31] <android_> YES NOT GLOBAL  JUST SETING AND THE WINDOW GOES
[16:31] <cfhowlett> !caps|android_,
[16:31] <android_> oops sorry
[16:31] <holstein> android_: no caps please.. just let me know if you have a question..
[16:32] <android_> like many question the point is if u have an answer ?  :)
[16:32] <holstein> https://www.youtube.com/html5
[16:32] <holstein> android_: have you tried that^ of the vesa driver?
[16:32] <android_> ok i did open that link before
[16:33] <holstein> android_: you dont "open" it.. you opt into html5 vs flash
[16:33] <android_> no i did yet nothing with the drivers
[16:33] <android_> but everything with flash
[16:33] <holstein> android_: so, when you use html5 with youtube, its fine?
[16:34] <android_> http://imagebin.org/299754
[16:34] <android_> what is that then?
[16:34] <android_> i open it ..right?
[16:35] <android_> or maybe i just dont understand u guys
[16:35] <android_> i m sorry it makes me so crazy that problem
[16:36] <holstein> android_: you read the text at that link,a nd you can opt into htlm5 at youtube.. instead of flash that is cuasing you issues
[16:37] <holstein> android_: as i said, you dont just visit the page.. you read it, and opt in
[16:37] <android_> ok and if that is the problem is gonna fixit also flash games?
[16:37] <android_> or just youtube?
[16:37] <holstein> android_: there is notthing to "Fix" here, friend..
[16:37] <Morrog> hello xubuntu irc :)
[16:37] <android_> WORKS!!!!!!!
[16:38] <cfhowlett> Morrog, greetings.  what is your xubuntu issue?
[16:38] <android_> but now no sound:)
[16:38] <android_> i can see now guys :)
[16:38] <holstein> !audio | android_
[16:39] <Morrog> it's related to xscreensaver and dpms. i'm trying get the following to work: when i lock the screen manually, i'd like my monitor to turn off (so xset force dpms off). when i then wiggle my mouse, it brings up the xflock4 screen as expected
[16:39] <android_> i cant click now the volume applet ????
[16:40] <holstein> android_: just let us know, details, if you have a question..
[16:40] <android_> i mean when i click just small whit line apears and thats all
[16:40] <Morrog> however. after 30 seconds or so, even if i don't touch my computer in any way, the dpms is still pushed away, and i see the normal blank screen (so backlight is on)
[16:40] <Morrog> i have no idea where to look, so maybe one of you knows more :)
[16:40] <android_> yes i have question why now i have no sound?
[16:40] <android_> how to fix it please?
[16:41] <holstein> android_: did you seee the troubleshooting link i gave? let me get it again for you
[16:41] <holstein> !audio > android_
[16:41] <Morrog> i manually edited /usr/bin/xflock4 to include the 'xset dpms force off' bit
[16:43] <android_> the bad news is that now :http://imagebin.org/299756   and u set there is no problem ?
[16:44] <android_> :)
[16:44] <android_> u must be so tired of me :)
[16:45] <knome> android_, you only opted in for html5 for youtube
[16:45] <knome> android_, now do you promise to answer my questions and read carefully what i say to try to fix the display issue for good?
[16:46] <android_> yes and then i ask what if i have that problem with games.. so someone set that is no a problem ...but we r still on the same point :)
[16:46] <knome> nobody said that.
[16:46] <knome> now let's focus on your issue
[16:46] <knome> and not talk about any other issues for the moment
[16:46] <Morrog> i'll just wait for a while ^_^
[16:46] <android_> yes i do promise  as much as i can
[16:47] <android_> ok
[16:47] <knome> Morrog, feel free to ask away, i'll be guiding android_ but others can answer you
[16:47] <knome> android_, open a terminal
[16:47] <android_> ok
[16:47] <android_> done
[16:47] <knome> android_, type sudo
[16:47] <knome> sorry
[16:47] <android_> done
[16:47] <knome> type: sudo nano /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[16:47] <knome> that will ask for your password
[16:48] <android_> done
[16:48] <knome> did you see a text editor open?
[16:48] <android_> yes nothing on it empty one
[16:48] <knome> good
[16:48] <knome> now copy and paste the next line into that file:
[16:48] <knome> EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0
[16:49] <android_> done
[16:49] <knome> press ctrl+o to save the file
[16:49] <knome> (and press enter)
[16:50] <android_>  Error writing /etc/adobe/mms.cfg:no such file or directory
[16:51] <knome> android_, open another terminal
[16:51] <android_> ok
[16:51] <knome> android_, and type: sudo mkdir /etc/adobe
[16:51] <knome> (will ask for password)
[16:52] <android_> done
[16:52] <knome> try saving again with ctrl+O and enter
[16:52] <knome> (in the other terminal)
[16:52] <android_> on the previous one?
[16:52] <knome> yes, the one with the text file
[16:52] <android_> ok
[16:52] <knome> (you can close the other window)
[16:53] <android_> works
[16:53] <android_> :)
[16:53] <knome> now press ctrl+x to close the file
[16:53] <knome> (and the editor)
[16:53] <android_> done
[16:53] <knome> and type: cat /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[16:53] <knome> that should output the Enable... line in the terminal
[16:54] <android_> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company D530 sff(dc578av) [103c:12bc]
[16:54] <android_> 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[16:54] <android_> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$ sudo nano /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[16:54] <android_> [sudo] password for android:
[16:54] <android_> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$ cat /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[16:54] <android_> EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0
[16:54] <android_> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$
[16:54] <knome> that's good.
[16:54] <knome> now close *all* browser windows.
[16:54] <android_> irc to or not?
[16:55] <knome> android_, you will have to close this window as well if you are running it from browser
[16:55] <knome> android_, once you closed all windows, rejoin the channel
[16:55] <knome> (obviously, you can then open a browser window)
[16:55] <android_> no i close all windows that one is seperate
[16:55] <android_> open again?
[16:55] <knome> yes, now open firefox
[16:55] <knome> and try to load a page with flash
[16:56] <knome> (not youtube, because you opted to html5)
[16:56] <android_> :)
[16:56] <android_> ok
[16:57] <android_> ...:( the same problem
[16:57] <knome> go to http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html now
[16:57] <knome> and see if you can open the settings window from the right-click menu
[16:58] <android_> ok
[16:59] <android_> no ..:( same like before
[17:02] <knome> android_, ok, what does the following say on the line with "Installed":
[17:02] <knome> sudo apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer
[17:03] <android_> 5. Verify if Flash Player is installed
[17:03] <android_> If you see clouds moving in the animation below, congratulations, you have successfully installed Flash Player!
[17:03] <android_> If you don't see the animation after completing all the steps, refresh this page using the icon below.
[17:03] <knome> you are not following
[17:03] <android_> sorry
[17:03] <knome> run the following in terminal: sudo apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer
[17:03] <knome> and tell me what is in the "Installed" line (no other lines needed)
[17:04] <android_>   Installed: (none)
[17:04] <android_>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:04] <android_>   Version table:
[17:04] <android_>      <IP_ADDRESS>6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> 0
[17:04] <android_>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-updates/multiverse i386 Packages
[17:04] <android_>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security/multiverse i386 Packages
[17:04] <android_>      <IP_ADDRESS>0ubuntu1 0
[17:04] <android_>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/multiverse i386 Packages
[17:04] <android_> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$
[17:04] <android_> sorry
[17:04] <knome> android_, please, i said "just the Installed line"
[17:05] <android_> again i make mistake
[17:05] <knome> ok, how did you install flash?
[17:05] <android_> yes i realise that after i send it
[17:05] <android_> is stress
[17:05] <android_> first time with the center
[17:05] <knome> i will need to go away from keyboard for 5 minutes, will be back after that
[17:05] <android_> later someone told me to purge it
[17:06] <Morrog> you're a patient man knome ;)
[17:06] <android_> ang give me line with apt
[17:06] <android_> yes he is
[17:06] <android_> and i m so thankfull for that
[17:07] <android_> and to do also tat
[17:07] <android_>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/multiverse i386 Packages
[17:07] <android_> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$ sudo sed -i "/^# deb .*partner/ s/^# //" /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update
[17:07] <android_> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:08] <knome> run the last line again: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:08] <android_> ok
[17:11] <android_> ok done
[17:11] <knome> now try to open a page with flash again (and again, not youtube...)
[17:11] <android_> :)
[17:12] <android_> do i have to firs close the browser?
[17:12] <knome> yes, would be better to close all browser windows first
[17:12] <android_> ok
[17:14] <android_> http://imagebin.org/299762
[17:15] <android_> ...:(
[17:17] <android_> any idea knome ?
[17:18] <knome> android_, open about:plugins in your browser
[17:18] <android_> u must be so pist with me i m sorry
[17:18] <android_> ok
[17:18] <knome> and look which PATH the flash plugin uses
[17:18] <knome> (or if there are multiple flash plugins, all of the paths)
[17:20] <android_> i m sure thats better way (no missunderstanding)  :) http://imagebin.org/299763
[17:21] <knome> android_, ok, go to terminal and type: killall firefox
[17:21] <knome> (this will close all of your browser windows)
[17:22] <android_> done
[17:22] <knome> then run firefox again, and once again, try loading a page with flash
[17:22] <android_> ok
[17:22] <android_> u r very pation persone
[17:23] <knome> comes with the profession
[17:23] <android_> sorry for my english but i m sure i get what i mean:)
[17:23] <android_> one day maybe ill join u :)
[17:25] <knome> did loading a page with flash work now?
[17:25] <android_> the same!!!::( and i mean i m sure "YOU" know what i mean :)
[17:25] <android_> nothing change
[17:27] <android_> http://imagebin.org/299766
[17:27] <fballs> trippy
[17:28] <knome> android_, have you upgraded all packages to latest versions?
[17:28] <android_> hope so
[17:28] <android_> i did apt-get update &&apt-get upgrade
[17:28] <knome> run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:28] <android_> ok
[17:29] <android_> he following NEW packages will be installed:
[17:29] <android_>   libjs-jquery linux-headers-3.11.0-18 linux-headers-3.11.0-18-generic
[17:29] <android_>   linux-image-3.11.0-18-generic linux-image-extra-3.11.0-18-generic
[17:29] <android_>   python-apport python-keyring python-launchpadlib python-lazr.restfulclient
[17:29] <android_>   python-lazr.uri python-oauth python-problem-report python-secretstorage
[17:29] <android_>   python-simplejson python-wadllib
[17:29] <android_> The following packages will be upgraded:
[17:29] <android_>   libfreetype6 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common linux-generic linux-headers-generic
[17:29] <android_>   linux-image-generic python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[17:29] <android_>   ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[17:29] <android_> 9 upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:29] <android_> Need to get 62.5 MB of archives.
[17:29] <android_> After this operation, 214 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[17:29] <android_> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[17:29] <knome> yes, please continue
[17:29] <android_> sorry that was to big for here
[17:30] <android_> may i ask question?
[17:30] <Morrog> only if you give cookies
[17:30] <fballs> mMmMm cookies
[17:31] <android_> iv make some chocolate u want ? u have to come and get it
[17:31] <android_> and it will be my pleasure to shere with u :)
[17:32] <knome> android_, after the updates are done, you will need to reboot your computer for the changes to take place
[17:32] <knome> android_, after you've done that, try opening a firefox window and loading a page with flash
[17:32] <knome> i'll be off for some time, will have dinner now
[17:32] <Morrog> enjoy knome
[17:32] <knome> thanks
[17:33] <android_> bon apetit
[17:33] <android_> ok ill do it
[17:33] <android_> takes 15 min here
[17:33] <android_> u gonna have same nick?
[17:34] <android_> how ill find u later?
[17:34] <Morrog> he'll probably just stay here but appear as away. he'll be back, don't worry.
[17:34] <android_> :)
[17:34] <android_> ok thank u :)
[17:34] <GridCube> android_, knome is the Xubuntu Project Leader, he will be here :D
[17:35] <android_> wow :)
[17:35] <android_> almost like me :)
[17:36] <Morrog> anyone else in here knows about xscreensaver/xflock and dpms?
[17:36] <GridCube> !anyone | Morrog
[17:37] <Morrog> sorry, i asked earlier and no one replied :)
[17:37] <Morrog> it's related to xscreensaver and dpms. i'm trying get the following to work: when i lock the screen manually, i'd like my monitor to turn off (so xset force dpms off). when i then wiggle my mouse, it brings up the xflock4 screen as expected
[17:37] <android_> well i dont !!!
[17:37] <Morrog> however. after 30 seconds or so, even if i don't touch my computer in any way, the dpms is still pushed away, and i see the normal blank screen (so backlight is on)
[17:37] <android_> and i m here ...
[17:37] <Morrog> i manually edited /usr/bin/xflock4 to include the 'xset dpms force off' bit
[17:38] <Morrog> it's as if xscreensaver is doing something and fooling dpms that the backlight should be activated
[17:40] <Morrog> you can probably try to replicate this behavior with: xscreensaver-command --lock && xset dpms force off
[17:48] <knome> android_, did you reboot your computer already?
[17:53] <Morrog> had a nice dinner, knome?
[17:55] <knome> Morrog, yep
[18:05] <android_> not yet 77% so far :)
[18:13] <android_> like 5 min more Knome
[18:13] <android_> please
[18:14] <holstein> android_: use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for non-support related conversation.. thanks!
[18:16] <android_> im not talking at all
[18:16] <android_> the only person i want to talk is u :)
[18:17] <holstein> android_: sure.. and this channel is not for "talking".. use the channel i referenced, that is referenced in the official /topic
[18:17] <android_> oops sorry
[18:17] <android_> i tough that is knome  ..:(
[18:17] <nono_> i set all setting to default (i duno why) and restart now seems as if its loading properly then it start beeping no txt at the begining i hear six beeps and then widows loads
[18:17] <android_> ok
[18:17] <android_> i ll
[18:17] <nono_> what could be the problem
[18:24] <Morrog> the problem i was talking about earlier (interaction between dpms and xscreensaver) has to do with this: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2005/03/how-does-x-suck-today-today-its-dpms/
[18:24] <Morrog> but looks like it's not an easy fix, if there even is one
[18:27] <Morrog> still it's odd, because i'm on a laptop, so i'm not using a mouse that can be moved by accident
[18:40] <konraddo> hi, i have a problem with xubuntu 13.10, i installed it recently and i have a problem that image on my monitor dissapears. my LCD acts like it's disconnected from PC. my graphics card is HD3870. image randomly dissapears while i'm using my PC, sometimes it happens about 5 minutes after i turn on my PC, sometimes after 1 hour or so. i installed ssh server on my xubuntu PC to check if my computer is still working after image dissapears
[18:40] <konraddo> - and it works. how can i solve this problem? i cannot find any info on the internet
[18:41] <holstein> konraddo: you can also try TTY
[18:41] <holstein> !tty | konraddo
[18:41] <Guest15468> ok i m back
[18:41] <fballs> oh thank you
[18:42] <konraddo> i tried it, nothing happens
[18:42] <fballs> i didn't know alt+f7 did that
[18:42] <Guest15468> r u here knome?
[18:42] <holstein> when that issue occurs.. that can be telling.. other than that, i would just try different graphics card drivers.. you can also try the larger #ubuntu community after confirming its driver related
[18:43] <holstein> Guest15468: if you have a question, just ask.. otherwise, chat with knome in #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:43] <Guest15468> nothing change unfortunetly
[18:43] <konraddo> okay, i'll go to #ubuntu
[18:43] <nono_> does anyone now ahything i could do? with my problem
[18:43] <Guest15468> again?
[18:43] <holstein> nono_: sounds like hardware issues.. something in the bios
[18:44] <nono_> if i cant get into the bios how do i fix this issue
[18:44] <Guest15468> please im so tired if that iv ben talking with knome for like two hours and now again u want me to start over again ?
[18:45] <Guest15468> i m the one with the flash problem
[18:45] <holstein> nono_: the bios is quite particular to each machine.. and, its just a suggestion to rule out.. im not saying its the "fix"..
[18:45] <Guest15468> and i was askt to make upgrade and come back
[18:45] <holstein> Guest15468: sure.. like i said, ask if you have a question, and a volunteer will do the best they can to help.. cheers
[18:45] <fballs> does anyone run compiz? i can't figure out how to change the titlebar font since i can't use gnome-tweak-tool.
[18:46] <holstein> fballs: i stopped trying.. i use other compositors
[18:46] <fballs> which do you use?
[18:46] <Guest15468> ok so i have a huge problem with flash or Gpu driver i cant use it ...
[18:47] <Guest15468> how can i contact knome again?
[18:47] <holstein> fballs: i'll just try the options and see what fits best.. i'll start with the included one and maybe end up with compton..
[18:47] <holstein> Guest15468: how was it with the vesa driver?
[18:48] <Guest15468> i dont know??
[18:48] <holstein> utilizing the vesa driver should remove your current driver from the equation, which is why i suggested it before
[18:48] <fballs> i was perfectly happy with vanilla Xfce, but i got horrible video tearing with that
[18:48] <Guest15468> how to do it?
[18:48] <holstein> Guest15468: do what?
[18:48] <Guest15468> the vesa driver?
[18:48] <fballs> I hope they fix it in a future release :S
[18:49] <Guest15468> so fer we work on flash
[18:49] <Guest15468> far i mean
[18:49] <holstein> fballs: there are a few other compositor options you can try.. compiz just got to be too much hassle for me.. more than it was worth
[18:49] <nono_> ive checked the ram sticks etc
[18:50] <holstein> Guest15468: this is one way http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 ..you could likely try safe graphics mode from a live CD
[18:50] <holstein> Guest15468: flash is just not supported in linux, officially, so when you want to troubleshoot it, it can be tricky, and frustrating
[18:51] <holstein> Guest15468: nothing about linux is preventing you from loading that content.. if you think its GPU driver related, try the vesa driver, and see if tha helps.. then, you can move forward with that knowlege
[18:51] <Guest15468> IT IS !!!
[18:51] <holstein> Guest15468: otherwise, you should try the larger #ubuntu community, since its larger, and this is not related to xubuntu or xfce
[18:52] <Guest15468> i have xubuntu
[18:52] <Guest15468> and everything works prfect on kali and any windows
[18:52] <holstein> Guest15468: kali is using a different kernel, and windows support is irrelevant
[18:52] <Guest15468> ok could u give me a hand please with that?
[18:53] <Guest15468> i dont care anymore for windows
[18:53] <Guest15468> i want linux
[18:53] <Guest15468> but i see  tath wan is just not enough
[18:53] <holstein> Guest15468: sure. but, you must understand, adobe doesnt support linux, so its up to you to provide your own support for flash
[18:54] <Guest15468> my own?
[18:54] <Guest15468> what do u mean?
[18:54] <holstein> Guest15468: if you want to rule out the graphics driver, try my 2 suggestions.. the vesa driver via xorg.conf or a live CD with nomodeset
[18:54] <Guest15468> i cant do anything
[18:54] <Guest15468> i m just new here
[18:54] <holstein> Guest15468: i mean, by being patient here with volunteers, troubleshooting and trying suggestions
[18:54] <holstein> Guest15468: have you tried the vesa driver? if not, try that.. that will help you determine if your GPU driver is in fact the issue
[18:55] <Guest15468> ok ill do whatever u ask me for but can u please give me some line for terminall thats i learn already please
[18:56] <holstein> Guest15468: the live CD can be booted using the mode i suggested
[18:56] <Guest15468> i m sure thats the GPU
[18:56] <Guest15468> cos we did all with flash for like a week here
[18:56] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 for example
[18:56] <knome> Guest15468, i'm out of ideas and since holstein has an idea how to possibly fix it, i would follow his suggestions as closely as you did with me
[18:56] <Guest15468> wow thank u u r back!!!!
[18:57] <Guest15468> i was so f.... down
[18:57] <Guest15468> \
[18:57] <Guest15468> that i have to start all over again
[18:57] <fballs> Guest15468, what video drivers u running?
[18:57] <Guest15468> please knome
[18:57] <Guest15468> just a bit more
[18:58] <holstein> Guest15468: if you have a question, ask.. otherwise, use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks
[18:58] <Guest15468> u spend already so much time with me  i dont want to go over and over again
[18:58] <fballs> if its not your video drivers or your flash installation, i don't know what else it could be
[18:58] <holstein> we have not ruled out the video drivers..
[18:59] <Guest15468> R U INSAINE???? HOLSTEIN? i have a question since one week and i go over and over again from beginning r u bot?
[19:00] <Guest15468> i just need someone to help me
[19:00] <Guest15468> ok so what is the best advice ?
[19:00] <knome> Guest15468, please calm down
[19:00] <holstein> Guest15468: this will be the 3rd time you are asked to stop using caps.. please be respectful... i understand you are frustrated, but flash is no supporting linux anymore
[19:00] <holstein> Guest15468: "(Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.)"
[19:00] <knome> Guest15468, there is nothing to go "over again"
[19:01] <knome> Guest15468, your flash installation seems fine.
[19:01] <Guest15468> what do u mean knome?
[19:01] <holstein> with that in mind, you must be patient and willing to troubleshoot.. if you think the GPU driver is the issue, try a different driver
[19:01] <Guest15468> we spend here so much time and now holstain is asking me what is my problem ?!!!
[19:01] <fballs> what card you running Guest15468?
[19:01] <knome> Guest15468, please calm down.
[19:02] <Guest15468> i dont know
[19:02] <knome> Guest15468, this is the last time i will tell you that.
[19:02] <Guest15468> old one for sure
[19:02] <Guest15468> ok
[19:02] <Guest15468> knome but please stay with me
[19:02] <Guest15468> we did some thing already
[19:02] <holstein> Guest15468: i am asking you, specifically, to try a different driver, if you want to know if the GPU driver is the issue
[19:03] <Guest15468> but i dont know how to do it yet
[19:03] <Guest15468> ill learn
[19:03] <Guest15468> but ....fk:(
[19:04] <Guest15468> so how can i change the driver?
[19:04] <Guest15468> holstein?
[19:04] <fballs> you can probably do lspci -v from a terminal and see what you have
[19:04] <Guest15468> please
[19:04] <Guest15468> fballs that was for me?
[19:04] <fballs> yes
[19:05] <Guest15468> ok
[19:05] <holstein> Guest15468: the 2 ways i have suggested are 1. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 from a live CD and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 with a custom xorg.conf specifying the vesa driver
[19:05] <holstein> i think the live CD is the easiest.. and you can install and test the flash version from the live CD easily..
[19:06] <Guest15468> why i have to do live cd iv i have live usb?
[19:06] <Guest15468> unetbootin?
[19:06] <fballs> that's fine too
[19:06] <Guest15468> ok
[19:07] <Guest15468> so for the first few sec the screen is nice when booting
[19:07] <Guest15468> and then same story
[19:07] <holstein> Guest15468: what screen?
[19:08] <Guest15468> ok can i have the link please for the files so i dont post here?
[19:08] <holstein> Guest15468: what files?
[19:08] <Guest15468> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$ lspci -v
[19:08] <Guest15468> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company d330 uT
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
[19:08] <Guest15468> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company D530 sff(dc578av)
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Memory at fc400000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	I/O ports at 24e0 [size=8]
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
[19:08] <Guest15468> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[19:09] <holstein> !paste | Guest15468
[19:09] <Guest15468> 00:06.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P Processor to I/O Memory Interface (rev 02)
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Flags: fast devsel
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Memory at fecf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
[19:09] <Guest15468> 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company d530 CMT (DG746A)
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	I/O ports at 2440 [size=32]
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
[19:09] <Guest15468> 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company d530 CMT (DG746A)
[19:09] <Guest15468> 	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
[19:10] <Guest15468> yea thats what i was asking for thanks
[19:10] <Pici> Guest15468: use a pastebin.
[19:10] <Pici> I muted you for much of that.
[19:10] <Pici> !pastebin
[19:10] <Guest15468> so when the system starts is nice high resolution but after few sec goes to that
[19:10] <Guest15468> thank u
[19:11] <holstein> Guest15468: so, whats the question? i was addressing a flash issue.. are we talking about a graphics issue?
[19:11] <Guest15468> i know u r all so bussy there but please just spend some time with me to fix that coz i spend one week here for that !!!!!
[19:12] <Guest15468> yes holstein
[19:12] <holstein> Guest15468: fix which? this is a new issue,and you are not explaining it
[19:12] <Guest15468> not new !!
[19:12] <holstein> Guest15468: i was troubleshooting a flash related issue. now, what specifically is the issue?
[19:12] <Guest15468> one week old
[19:12] <Guest15468> ewery day i m here
[19:12] <Guest15468> starting talking with everyone over and over again
[19:13] <holstein> Guest15468: regardless, testing with another graphics driver will be a good step.. or, just use 12.04
[19:13] <Guest15468> look r u working there?
[19:13] <Guest15468> ok
[19:13] <Guest15468> thats what i was asking for from beginning but i need hand for that please
[19:14] <holstein> Guest15468: sure.. just ask if you have a question
[19:15] <Guest15468> why i m asking if u r there is cos for me to explaine u what is the problem is like .....? but knome spend a lot of time with me so if u know him we can save a lot of time !!!!
[19:15] <Guest15468> ...iv i have any question..?
[19:15] <Guest15468> ...is that a joke?
[19:16] <Guest15468> YES I HAVE ONE AND ONLY ONE QUESTION SINCE ONE WEEK SAING THAT MILION TIMES
[19:16] <knome> Guest15468, others are able to help you as well, please listen to them
[19:16] <holstein> Guest15468: please, no more caps
[19:16] <holstein> Guest15468: i just dont konw what you are asking for..
[19:16] <holstein> 15:13 < Guest15468> thats what i was asking for from beginning but i need hand for that please
[19:17] <knome> Guest15468, absolutely the last warning. the next time i will have to remove you from the channel
[19:17] <holstein> "that" is not specific enough for me to help you.. just share details.. thats all im asking
[19:17] <Guest15468> knome please help me to explain my problem only
[19:17] <Guest15468> i m just so tired here doing same things for hours and hours
[19:18] <knome> answers are not always available (immediately)
[19:19] <Guest15468> r u getting guys well who knows that better as me?????!!!!!!
[19:19] <holstein> Guest15468: have you tried 12.04? if not, just try that.. try it live.. it may just work "out of the box"
[19:20] <Guest15468> and can u please tell me why before i spend time to download one more distro and find out that my not?
[19:21] <Guest15468> ok holstain u want details ...
[19:21] <holstein> Guest15468: no.. i dont.. i only suggest you try a different graphics driver
[19:21] <Guest15468> http://imagebin.org/299780
[19:22] <Guest15468> thats a best i can explain
[19:22] <Guest15468> is there a way i can do it with terminall?
[19:22] <holstein> Guest15468: thanks, friend.. and i have seen that already.. and appreciate your linking it.. but, have you tried the vesa driver?
[19:23] <Guest15468> thats all i learn since the jurney wit linux so far but i love it
[19:23] <Guest15468> so please
[19:23] <holstein> Guest15468: the way to try it is outlined at the link i gave you before.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[19:24] <holstein> Guest15468: i will not give you commands to copy/paste into a terminal, because, you really need to read and understand what the file you are making is doing, and how to remove it
[19:24] <holstein> Simply overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf with these contents and restart:
[19:24] <holstein> ^ but, you will not have one there, so, you will make one.. and you can remove it using a live CD or tty
[19:24] <Guest15468> well cool but "Simply overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf with these contents and restart:" is not simply for me !!!
[19:24] <Guest15468> so im only asking for hand
[19:24] <holstein> Guest15468: sure.. ask what you like, but you need to be specific
[19:25] <holstein> Guest15468: "i am trying to write x to y and z is happening" for example
[19:25] <holstein> "i need a hand" is not specific enough.. i need to know what specifically you are having issues with
[19:26] <Guest15468> thats make sense
[19:26] <holstein> Guest15468: so, you will *not* find a file at the location /etc/X11/xorg.conf this is why..
[19:26] <holstein> !xorgconf
[19:27] <Guest15468> so can u tell me what i have to open to change that please tell me that like to the cow please and ill do it and i promise u want need to tell me the same thing again ...deal?
[19:27] <holstein> but, you can put on there.. you can copy the text in the post i gave you at the link.. and you will need root access to make the file
[19:27] <holstein> Guest15468: i am in the process of explaining why you are not going to be able to edit a file
[19:28] <Guest15468> ok
[19:28] <holstein> Guest15468: you wont be able to find that file.. the file that i, and the link are referencing. the file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:28] <Guest15468> i dint read the black lines
[19:28] <Guest15468> only the red sorry
[19:28] <holstein> Guest15468: the reason is listed above
[19:28] <holstein> Guest15468: read *everything*.. thats why im giving you the information
[19:28] <Guest15468> ok
[19:29] <Guest15468> thank u
[19:29] <Guest15468> well teaching
[19:29] <holstein> Guest15468: so, you will *create* that file
[19:29] <holstein> the contents of the file are listed at the link i gave you
[19:30] <Guest15468> :)
[19:30] <holstein> specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/7109961/
[19:31] <Guest15468> i have no idea about what u wrote "syntax" etz... i m just a normall girl who want to learn
[19:31] <holstein> and only that content.. so, you will *create* a file at that location.. do you understand what i mean by that?
[19:31] <holstein> Guest15468: the, answer the question
[19:31] <holstein> Guest15468: do you understand what i mean by creating the file at that location? and please use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat about your gender, etc
[19:31] <Guest15468> not yet but it does not mean -not give me please some time to work on it thank u
[19:32] <holstein> Guest15468: you will create a file as root.. do you know what that means? if not, let me konw *eactly* what the question is
[19:32] <Guest15468> root is the admin
[19:32] <Guest15468> sudo
[19:33] <holstein> Guest15468: sure.. and thats not the question.. the question is, do you know how to create that file as root?
[19:33] <holstein> you'll need to create the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and fill in the content of that file specifically from http://paste.ubuntu.com/7109961/
[19:33] <Guest15468> not ..:) sorry
[19:34] <holstein> Guest15468: what do you need help with from those instructions?
[19:34] <Guest15468> not yet
[19:34] <Guest15468> i just have linux (not working) for a week!!!
[19:34] <holstein> Guest15468: just use #xubuntu-offtopic for any statements or comments like that
[19:34] <Guest15468> but as u see i dont geve up so give me some credit !!!
[19:35] <holstein> Guest15468: ask here *only* support questions.. have you created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as root? if not, ask me what you need to make that happen
[19:36] <Guest15468> what do i need to make /etc/files?
[19:36] <holstein> Guest15468: you are not making that.. you are making *specifically* /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the content from http://paste.ubuntu.com/7109961/
[19:36] <holstein> Guest15468: what is your question about that?
[19:37] <Guest15468> how can i change anything in /etc/folder?
[19:37] <Guest15468> ....????
[19:37] <Guest15468> oops
[19:37] <knome> sudo nano /filename
[19:37] <holstein> Guest15468: you dont change "anything" there
[19:37] <Guest15468> ok
[19:37] <holstein> Guest15468: you specifically create the file i have asked you to specifically create
[19:38] <holstein> Guest15468: have you? if not, let me know where you are hung up
[19:38] <Guest15468> terminall sudo/etc/...?
[19:38] <knome> Guest15468, you are told which file you need to create
[19:38] <holstein> as knome has stated, you can use the command in the terminal
[19:38] <Guest15468> ok thank u that was cool i got it :)
[19:38] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:38] <Guest15468> hello knome
[19:38] <holstein> then, paste in http://paste.ubuntu.com/7109961/ and save the file with control O
[19:39] <Guest15468> just give me a min i want to try it alone
[19:39] <holstein> Guest15468: please say hello in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel, thanks
[19:41] <Guest15468> sudo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: command not found
[19:41] <Guest15468> ...?
[19:41] <Guest15468> i m hopeless
[19:41] <Guest15468> ok holestein
[19:41] <knome> Guest15468, read the instructions again
[19:42] <Guest15468> looks like i breake all linux rools and i did not even start it
[19:42] <Guest15468> ok
[19:42] <mapps> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:42] <mapps> you missed the nano dude
[19:46] <xubuntu300> selam
[19:47] <nick1296> I tried to run Xubuntu on my HP DC5700 and for some reason the volume control does not work in software
[19:47] <Guest15468> ok i cant do it alone
[19:47] <nick1296> I can control it with a keyboard with HW controls, but not in the SW
[19:47] <nick1296> any ideas of the problem?
[19:48] <mapps> just run the cmd Guest15468 and almost done
[19:48] <mapps> just gotta copy/paste
[19:48] <nick1296> I can't even find a sound option in the settings
[19:49] <Guest15468> mapps how to run it?
[19:49] <mapps> in a terminal
[19:49] <mapps> copy and paste: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:49] <Guest15468> that i know
[19:49] <Guest15468> bash: cd: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[19:49] <Guest15468> android@android-an-tt-3456:~$
[19:49] <holstein> Guest15468: thats all there is to it.. copy the content i gave you.. dont paste here
[19:50] <mapps> no etc/X11 dir uh
[19:50] <Guest15468> ok i m now in nano
[19:50] <Guest15468> its empty
[19:50] <holstein> Guest15468: you fill the content in, friend
[19:51] <nick1296> if anyone needs to know what I tried to hopefully fix it, I disabled the internal speaker, and unlugged it with no luck
[19:51] <holstein> Guest15468: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7109961/ is still the content
[19:51] <mapps> yea Guest15468 now copy the text off the pastebin holstein provided and paste it in there
[19:51] <Guest15468> :)
[19:51] <Guest15468> ok
[19:52] <holstein> Guest15468: this is *not* a fix, either.. you will reboot the resolution will be off, and you will test.. this is a troubleshooting step, at best
[19:52] <knome> nick1296, what xubutnu version? what volume control?
[19:52] <Guest15468> ok i hope i did it
[19:52] <Guest15468> what now?
[19:53] <holstein> Guest15468: dont hope.. look and confirm
[19:53] <holstein> Guest15468: as i said, this is *not* a fix.. this is a way for you to reboot using a different driver. the vesa driver
[19:53] <Guest15468> ok so now i have to reboot?
[19:53] <holstein> Guest15468: you will reboot, and test.. and confirm if things are "better" or not.. then, you can determine what you would like to do
[19:54] <holstein> Guest15468: you dont have to do anything, friend. but, if you are reading and doing what im saying, you need to reboot to test that driver..
[19:54] <Guest15468> ok before i do reboot is there a way to check if i did what i had to do ?
[19:54] <Guest15468> :)
[19:54] <Guest15468> ok
[19:54] <Guest15468> thank u
[19:54] <holstein> Guest15468: yes.. look at the file, andsee that it contains the input i told you to put in it
[19:55] <Guest15468> ...ok   ??? so i reboot
[19:55] <Guest15468> :)
[19:55] <mapps> well check the file first
[19:55] <mapps> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:55] <Guest15468> !!!! vesa:)
[19:56] <Guest15468> thank u
[19:57] <Guest15468> holsttein  i m not idiot ... i just start a week ago !!!! please :)
[19:57] <Guest15468> reboot!!!
[19:57] <nick1296> 13.10
[19:58] <nick1296> it's on a HP DC5700
[19:58] <nick1296> the one in the app  bar
[20:10] <xubuntu> hello im back
[20:10] <Guest9711> and the system stack
[20:10] <Guest9711> now i use usb\
[20:10] <Guest9711> live
[20:11] <Guest9711> there is progres the screen is perfect
[20:11] <Guest9711> but is stack
[20:12] <holstein> Guest9711: so, you are using the xorg.conf i gave you?
[20:13] <Guest9711> now not
[20:13] <Guest9711> coz it cant start
[20:13] <Guest9711> there is huge improovment
[20:13] <Guest9711> the resolution
[20:14] <Guest9711> but is stack on the big x and mouse with the bluue hfce
[20:14] <Guest9711> now i used usb live
[20:15] <Guest9711> i even cant read what i wrote :)
[20:15] <Guest9711> lol
[20:16] <Guest9711> the syste dont wqant to start
[20:17] <Guest9711> it stack on the screen where is the white X with mouse and xfce or something like that but yes the resolution is perfect
[20:18] <Guest9711> holstein>r u here still ready to help me ?
[20:18] <holstein> Guest9711: whats the question?
[20:18] <holstein> Guest9711: we are all volunteers, just ask your question
[20:18] <holstein> Guest9711: are you using the xorg.conf i gave you? or not?
[20:20] <Guest9711> well i did ask u so many times r u trying to making fun of me? u know wery well what is my problem so my question is what now cos after i did what u told me to do system does not start !!! is that goog question  friend?
[20:20] <Guest9711> i did answer u already
[20:20] <holstein> Guest9711: so, are you using the xorg.conf?
[20:21] <Guest9711> how ?
[20:21] <Guest9711> i m now live from usb!!
[20:21] <elfy> holstein: I don't think so - I'm reading the last bits as it wouldn't start
[20:21] <holstein> Guest9711: you can remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file you put in place then
[20:22] <Guest9711> coz after what we did or i did if that makes u feel better ( u r sensitive) is my system stack !!
[20:22] <holstein> Guest9711: not sure why you are hanving issues with that file.. its rather generic and should work wth any hardware
[20:22] <holstein> Guest9711: i suggest using ubuntu 12.04
[20:22] <elfy> Guest9711: no-one is making fun of you, what people are trying to do is work out what it is you need each time - you write a lot of stuff that's not easy to understand and not actually related to the issue
[20:22] <Guest9711> if u r not sure how could i be?
[20:22] <Guest9711> and how can i remove that now if the system don boot?
[20:23] <holstein> Guest9711: you could become sure by confirming the contents of the file
[20:23] <holstein> Guest9711: you use the live CD to remove it
[20:23] <Guest9711> or boot but stacks
[20:23] <holstein> Guest9711: or, tty.. or anything
[20:23] <Guest9711> ? no idea what u r talking about now sorry
[20:23] <Guest9711> i did what u ask me
[20:24] <Guest9711> and YES the resolution change for better
[20:24] <Guest9711> but it not start!!1
[20:24] <elfy> Guest9711: that is ONLY in the live session
[20:24] <holstein> Guest9711: what didnt start?
[20:24] <Guest9711> so now i put my usb live same system i install before
[20:24] <holstein> Guest9711: the desktop didnt start?
[20:25] <holstein> Guest9711: have you tried installing 12.04?
[20:25] <elfy> holstein: what I read - no desktop with xorg - op is booted to live session
[20:25] <Guest9711> every thing start but finaly there is a screen with a huge H BLACK MOUSE AND BLUE XFCE OD SOMETHING LIKE THAT
[20:26] <Guest9711> OOPS sorry for capslock
[20:26] <Guest9711> no i did not but i did try to instal so many ...
[20:26] <holstein> im just not clear what is better, then
[20:27] <holstein> Guest9711: i suggest 12.04.. its LTS, and likely the same that kali is based on.. should, as  suggested before "just work"
[20:28] <Guest9711> well u know i m here for so long and ppl teling my to go to mint or ubuntu or xubuntu or whatewer and im so tired of it i like the one iv got now ...
[20:29] <Guest9711> and i did follow all the steps so far
[20:29] <holstein> Guest9711: if flash support is a key factor for you, you should go with an OS that adobe supports
[20:29] <Guest9711> nothing works!!!
[20:29] <holstein> Guest9711: nothing is broken, which is the issue
[20:29] <holstein> Guest9711: you have a flash issue. and flash is not supported in linux
[20:30] <holstein> Guest9711: you will need to do some advanced troubleshooting to determine what the issue is specifically
[20:30] <Guest9711> so how mint or any other works?
[20:30] <Guest9711> just for me not?
[20:30] <holstein> Guest9711: im proposing becuase they are based on 12.04
[20:30] <elfy> holstein: I would +1 trying that
[20:30] <holstein> Guest9711: they are not the same.. if they work, just use them.. if flash support is important
[20:30] <Guest9711> so thats what i m for here where else should i go?
[20:30] <holstein> Guest9711: 12.04
[20:31] <holstein> Guest9711: if you are asking what else should i do, try 12.04
[20:31] <Guest9711> r u sure?
[20:31] <holstein> Guest9711: no.. and no one is allowd to be sure.. flash is not supported
[20:31] <holstein> Guest9711: but, it may be better on your hardware in 12.04
[20:31] <Guest9711> ok from other hand may i ?
[20:32] <holstein> Guest9711: i dont understand what that means
[20:33] <Guest9711> i m tired of downloding and installing over and over again ... i know that kali works cos yesterday i had it but i dont need all the stuff  .. i want simple one how can i do it since i know its working for me perfect?
[20:34] <Guest9711> i mean how can i get rid of all the stuff what kali have?
[20:34] <holstein> Guest9711: ask them.. this is not kali support.. i know they are different, and when i downloaded kali, it was based on 12.04. which is why i suggest 12.04
[20:34] <Guest9711> to have a clean one and put what i want?
[20:35] <Guest9711> ok
[20:35] <Guest9711> could u please give some link (the fast one) :)
[20:35] <holstein> Guest9711: for what?
[20:35] <Guest9711> please and thank u for all ur time
[20:36] <Guest9711> and thanks to knome to :)
[20:36] <Guest9711> for the 12.04
[20:36] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/ is what i use
[20:37] <Guest9711> thank u all the best guys . even we didnt manage  much i just try to compare u with windows lol ... u rock !!!! thanks
[20:38] <Guest9711> wait
[20:39] <Guest9711> i m on that side u send me but there is like 100 lines ... what should i use?
[20:39] <Guest9711> to be sure thats what i need?
[20:40] <knome> download a desktop file that matches your CPU architecture
[20:40] <knome> and a file that ends with .iso
[20:40] <Guest9711> ok
[20:40] <Guest9711> thanks
[20:40] <Guest9711>  xubuntu-12.04.4-alternate-i386.iso
[20:40] <Guest9711> that one is ok?
[20:41] <zleap> hi
[20:42] <knome> Guest9711, i said "a desktop file"
[20:42] <knome> meaning *-desktop-*
[20:42] <Guest9711> ??
[20:43] <elfy> Guest9711: NOT alternate
[20:43] <Guest9711> xubuntu-12.04.4-desktop-i386.iso
[20:43] <elfy> yep
[20:43] <Guest9711> ok whats the diferent?
[20:44] <elfy> the alternate is text based
[20:44] <Guest9711> ok thanks
[20:44] <Guest9711> all the best guys thank u so much for ur time !!!!
[20:49] <operanal> Hi All
[20:49] <operanal> what is the oldest/slowest PC you have been running Xubuntu on?
[21:10] <arrith> any good tips on getting say messages output by the sound system into a log file? i'm assuming it's some kind of alsa thing?   similar to    gnome-screensaver --no-daemon --debug 2>&1 | tee ~/gnome-ss.log
[21:16] <Noskcaj> arrith, Try #ubuntu , since it's not xubuntu specific
[21:16] <Noskcaj> !patience
[21:16] <arrith> Noskcaj: good idea
[22:13] <peyam> Hi guys
[22:13] <peyam> I have a huge problem with my xubuntu. I had it for a long time now it's getting irritete
[22:15] <peyam> I use a 32inch TV as monitor with  1920x1080 resolution and default font size 8 px. 9 is too big and 8 seems to be good. anyway it's very hard to read since rendering isn't that good
[22:15] <peyam> how do I make the font more clear to read?
[22:15] <knome> try editing the monitor settings
[22:16] <knome> it's possible it's not able to produce a very clear image if it's not meant to be used with pc's
[22:16] <peyam> yeah.. so many options..
[22:16] <peyam> actually it has a very nice picture on windows or regular Ubuntu
[22:17] <holstein> peyam: xubuntu is ubuntu.. you mean regular ubuntu 12.04 vs xubutu 13.10?
[22:17] <holstein> the windows support will be irrelevant
[22:17] <peyam> holstein, With ubuntu with unity i dont have same problem and not with windows so it shouldnt be a monitor issue
[22:18] <holstein> peyam: i didnt say it was
[22:18] <holstein> peyam: but, if you are able to force a resolution in main ubuntu, it should be possible in xubuntu
[22:18] <peyam> no it was to knome :)
[22:18] <holstein> peyam: i would start with the tool arandr, and then go on to other monitor settings
[22:19] <peyam> what happens if I use a proprietary driver?
[22:20] <holstein> peyam: are you comparing ubuntu and xubuntu of differnt releases?
[22:20] <peyam> no both 12.04
[22:20] <holstein> peyam: i would do whatever you are doing for main ubuntu.. or, just install ubuntu and put xfce on there
[22:20] <peyam> too much work im sorry. :(
[22:20] <holstein> peyam: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so, it wil be capable, assuming you are using the same software, of the same resolution
[22:20] <peyam> i have so much here
[22:21] <peyam> I can take a screen shot
[22:21] <holstein> peyam: try using the same driver for xubuntu that is working in ubuntu, and use the tool i suggested to adujust the settings as knome suggests
[22:22] <peyam> holstein, Im afraid of loosing something if the closedsource driver mess something up
[22:22] <peyam> but rndr sounds good
[22:22] <peyam> I will do it. thanks
[22:23] <peyam> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12866097/peyam.png holstein
[22:24] <trey> hello
[22:24] <trey> anyone here
[22:24] <peyam> yeah
[22:24] <bazhang> yes
[22:24] <trey> i need help
[22:25] <GridCube> peyam, it looks pretty good
[22:25] <bazhang> then ask trey
[22:25] <GridCube> i mean the fonts look fine
[22:25] <peyam> GridCube, really?
[22:25] <GridCube> yes
[22:25] <peyam> it is somehow blury
[22:25] <GridCube> your problem is not font related
[22:25] <peyam> not totally sharp
[22:26] <GridCube> its a setting on the monitor and/or the drivers
[22:26] <peyam> I think i begin with TV setting first
[22:26] <trey> i installed xbuntu  side by side with ubuntu 13.10 and now  i cant find gpart on xbuntu
[22:27] <GridCube> trey, its not installed by default
[22:27] <GridCube> you need to install it
[22:27] <trey> i did
[22:27] <GridCube> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted
[22:27] <knome> trey, if you have it installed, look under settings manager
[22:27] <GridCube> then go to settings > gparted
[22:27] <trey> i used the software center thats the prob
[22:27] <GridCube> trey, no problem
[22:28] <peyam> it seems like the pixel distance is too long
[22:28] <GridCube> its on settings, it doesnt have an entry in the menu
[22:28] <GridCube> peyam, try another resolution?
[22:28] <GridCube> maybe your monitor doesnt like the one you are asking for it
[22:29] <peyam> display manager is buggy
[22:29] <trey> its not there ill try to sudo instal
[22:29] <peyam> doenst return to the previuse resolution
[22:30] <peyam> trey, open the terminal and type sudo gparted
[22:30] <peyam> its not gpart, it's gparted
[22:30] <trey> one min
[22:30] <GridCube> trey, is there, is on settings
[22:31] <peyam> GridCube, he maybe doesnt have the icon. I had once this problem when the icon didn't appear. he''ll need to go to /usr/share/applications/ and remove the .png from the icon
[22:31] <GridCube> trey, http://goput.it/9b33.png
[22:32] <GridCube> peyam, try using arandr to modify the resolution settings
[22:32] <peyam> I wil
[22:32] <peyam> thanks
[22:33] <peyam> what is the difference between 1920x1080i and 1920x1080?
[22:33] <trey> got it ty I had to sudo install it  is unetbootin good on xubuntu
[22:34] <peyam> unetbooting works fine yes
[22:34] <trey> any work better
[22:34] <peyam> GridCube, I got it
[22:34] <trey> im sorry im noob
[22:34] <GridCube> i neve had any problems whit unetbootin
[22:34] <peyam> GridCube, i used 1920x1080 without i
[22:34] <peyam> and it solved the problem
[22:35] <GridCube> :D
[22:35] <GridCube> excellent!
[22:35] <peyam> but the mouse is too slow
[22:35] <peyam> it's hacky
[22:35] <GridCube> not so excellent
[22:36] <peyam> strange
[22:41] <peyam> GridCube, the one without i should be P (progressive) but that made the mouse slower
[22:41] <peyam> any solution?
[22:42] <GridCube> bump the mouse speed?
[22:42] <peyam> it's hacky
[22:42] <GridCube> what drivers are you using?
[22:43] <GridCube> privative or generic?
[22:43] <GridCube> you can check on the source settings, the last tab is aditional drivers
[22:44] <peyam> genric
[22:45] <peyam> the opensource one. I tried the prvative once it didn't work so I haven dared to use it again
[22:45] <GridCube> i would recommend you to try again
[22:45] <GridCube> if they dont work you can always revert
[22:46] <peyam> yeah
[22:46] <GridCube> if you delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf after the install of privative drivers the system will boot on generic
[22:46] <GridCube> i tell you this in case you cant boot to a graphicall instance after installing privative drivers
[22:46] <trey> best link to download xubuntu 13.10
[22:47] <peyam> trey, what do you mean?
[22:47] <GridCube> trey, xubuntu.org
[22:47] <trey> i downloaded and setup inunetbootin and it wouldnt start failed
[22:48] <trey> it up
[22:49] <GridCube> try downloading it again, it might have failed to install
[22:50] <GridCube> trey, you say you already have an ubuntu installed right?
[22:50] <trey> and i need a sd card formater to clean my card
[22:51] <GridCube> trey, do you have an ubuntu 13.10 installed or not?
[22:52] <trey> i had messed it up with compiz
[22:52] <trey> trying tto play with effects
[22:54] <GridCube> trey, well, thats irrelevant, if you install the xubuntu-desktop there then it will just work
[22:54] <GridCube> trey, in the login manager choose to start a guest session and then open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" that will install xubuntu, then you log off and choose to start a xubuntu session
[22:56] <trey> im on xubuntu now im trying to 64 bit  i put 32 on
[22:59] <trey> ill just have to redownload it and hope i get it on there right
[23:01] <peyam> trey, dont forget to format ur usb device
[23:01] <trey> ty i need a program
[23:02] <peyam> GridCube, in case the installation goes wrong. how do I remove the driver?
[23:03] <GridCube> peyam, log into a tty, ctrl-alt-f1 to f6, then log in, cd to /etc/X11
[23:03] <GridCube> and do sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old
[23:03] <peyam> adn then
[23:03] <peyam> should write it down
[23:04] <GridCube> that will rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old and then when you reboot the system will use generic drivers
[23:05] <trey> i have a 8 g sd card and i can only access 5 g  help
[23:05] <peyam> so what?
[23:06] <knome> trey, i'm sorry for his behavior
[23:06] <trey> its ok


[04:59] <makx> ok posting to the more relevant channel
[05:01] <makx> initramfs-tools gets minor wrong if you boot with root=341
[05:02] <makx> simple testcase on http://paste.debian.net/5276
[05:02] <makx> minor is the actual code, minorreal is what should be done
[05:03] <makx> infinity?
[05:04] <Kamion> infinity's not here ... you might be able to drag him over from #ubuntu-devel or something if he's still up


[07:43] <bob_> I want to trport/discus a bug in kubuntu ermine
[07:43] <bob_> I want to report/discus a bug in kubuntu ermine
[07:44] <bob_> I do not know where/how to do this
[07:45] <bob_> I'm looking for guidance
[08:03] <valorie> hi bob
[08:04] <valorie> the best and easiest way to file bugs is in the commandline: ubuntu-bug packagename
[08:05] <valorie> and since it isn't out yet, attach it to one of the test cases in the qatracker
[08:05] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/407/builds/201180/testcases
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:52] <mamarley> RikMills: Did you realize you are second on this list of top Ubuntu contributors? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors :)
[12:52] <RikMills> mamarley: yeah. only beaten by Lubuntu's CI upload bot!
 @tsimonq2 ^
 HAHAHAHAHA
 I consider that a job well done.
 we're looking to do a re-spin to fix the nvidia:i386 stuff btw
[22:14] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been updated (20191016)
[22:17] <RikMills> !testers
[22:17] <RikMills> new iso. hopefully the last!


[04:06] <Roey> oh hi
[04:06] <Roey> got a non-ubuntu question about Australian govt
[04:07] <Roey> which channel is best to ask in?
[04:07] <Roey> oh, offtopic chat, ok great