[07:14] <ppisati> moin
[07:23] <smb> morning
[07:58] <ppisati> smb: Stef, i've a problem with maint-startnewrelease
[07:58] <ppisati> smb: 100% i screwed the packaging
[07:58] <ppisati> smb: but i don't get why...
[07:58] <ppisati> smb: so, basically
[07:59]  * smb does not know either...
[07:59] <ppisati> hold on... :)
[08:01] <ppisati> smb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146380/
[08:44] <cooloney> smb: morning
[08:44] <smb> cooloney, good morning
[08:44] <cooloney> these days i'm fighting with the building test on my imx6 board
[08:45] <cooloney> i was asked to test building kdepim, gcc-4.6, chromium-browser, firefox and webkit
[08:45] <apw> cooloney, how is sbuild working out for you there
[08:46] <cooloney> i only got kdepim build successfully, but other four packages fail for some reason.
[08:46] <cooloney> sometimes out-of-memory
[08:46] <apw> cooloney, but they build on your babbage ?
[08:46] <apw> (or whatever the current buildds are?)
[08:46] <cooloney> oh, i never tried that on babbage before.
[08:46] <apw> babbage may be the wrong name, i get very confused
[08:47] <cooloney> they are supposed to be build without any error
[08:47] <apw> i probabally mean panda
[08:47] <cooloney> since we build them on panda
[08:47] <apw> you have a panda right?  so you could shift the sbuild containing disk over there and test
[08:47] <smb> OK, if they build there with the same compiler it sounds a bit like some corruption going on on the other
[08:47] <cooloney> and sometime the system will lockup without any output after a very long building time like 8 hours.
[08:47] <apw> to see if its your environment or the machine
[08:48] <cooloney> apw: yeah, i'm trying to setup the environment with my PandaES. bs
[08:48] <apw> it might be good to literally take the same disk over there
[08:48] <apw> then you'd know it wasn't that exact sbuild environment
[08:51] <cooloney> right, i'm trying to do these on my PandaES. i tried another USB harddisk before, it looks like not very stable.
[08:51] <apw> cooloney, if they are not reliable over time, they are next to useless as that is exactly what we would want to do with them
[08:51] <cooloney> i think i need a USB disk with external power supply. i just found one, and going to do that
[08:51] <apw> cooloney, ok
[08:53] <cooloney> apw and smb, thanks for understanding. it is quite annoying about the build failure. and I will post the build logs after i tested it on my PandaES
[08:54] <cooloney> apw: and for the lxc /root prefix issue. based on your idea, i think i can post a patch to LP for you guys discussion
[08:55] <apw> cooloney, ok sounds good, point me at it when it is there, i will forget otherwise
[08:56] <smb> cooloney, As apw said I think it is a good idea (if possible) to take the environment to the Panda and see what happens there. It would rule out this as a source of error. And yes, if you have something, post it
[08:57] <smb> cooloney, I assume it is a change to the lxc setup?
[08:57] <cooloney> smb: yeah, that's what i'm going to do. i got an SATA-TO-USB cable and an external SATA HD power supply now
[08:58] <smb> ppisati, Try the getabis posted and let us know how that works :)
[08:59] <ppisati> smb: i'm finishing another kernel than i'll test ot
[08:59] <ppisati> it
[08:59] <smb> apw, Yes, some message/warning would do ok. Hopefully you never place a package of the exact name there, but anyway.
[09:00] <apw> smb, indeed but if you do it'll be a big confusing supprise that you cannot get it to work, then i ask you to test and it works and i pull all my (remaining) hair out
[09:01] <smb> apw, No we would not want you to do that... :)
[09:01] <apw> smb, exactly, who would look like bill the cat then
[09:02] <smb> bill the cat himself?
[09:27] <cooloney> apw: i posted the patch in bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/959352
[09:27] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 959352 in lxc "Ephemeral containers have "/rootfs" prefix in /proc/self/maps entries" [High,Confirmed]
[09:29] <apw> cooloney, thanks
[09:35] <apw> cooloney, i have also made comment that as only the rootfs part of the name leaks into the container, there may be something we can do with the way the unions are placed to get rid of it should they really not be able to cope with the prefix
[09:35] <apw> perhaps placing two unions instead of one or something
[09:38] <dileks> +        # echo "rming rootfs softlink for overlayfs" >&2
[09:38] <dileks> Removing/Deleting
[09:38] <cooloney> dileks: that's is just a comment, i followed others
[09:39] <dileks> and I thought its rming's rootfs
[09:39] <cooloney> apw: hmmm, i don't fully understand here.
[09:40] <cooloney> apw: do you mean we move the unions directory to some other place instead of "rootfs"?
[09:41] <apw> cooloney, me either i am just suggesting they may be able to play with mounting differnetly
[09:41] <apw> i have not looked to see how its mounted
[09:53] <ppisati> brb
[10:09]  * smb -> munch
[11:41] <jibel> todays quantal server with LVM fails to reboot after installation
[11:41] <jibel> bug 1036612
[11:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1036612 in linux "Quantal Server failed to install with LVM: VFS: Cannot open root device "mapper/ubuntu-root" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1036612
[12:01] <smb> jibel, Repeatable or maybe just some failure with the initrd (which it quite often is)
[12:02] <jibel> smb, repeatable, all the automated tests that use LVM failed and reproduced manually
[12:03] <jibel> smb, alternate, which also runs a test with LVM but doesn't use a squashfs for installation passes. And it uses the same kernel
[12:04] <smb> Ok, hm. mapper/ubuntu-root... would be good to know what grub.cfg looks like and what the vg / lv is named, but I assume it uses ubuntu as hostname, too...
[12:05] <smb> I'll try to reproduce it here...
[12:08] <henrix> apw: are you aware of any network changes on tangerine or gomeisa?
[12:09] <henrix> apw: i'm not able to run rmadison anymore
[12:09] <henrix> apw: for ex., 'rmadison --architecture=source linux' seems to hang forever
[12:10] <henrix> well... no forever. it eventually exit with a 'couldn't connect to host' error
[12:10] <smb> henrix, firewall? did that work before?
[12:11] <henrix> smb: yes, it did work before
[12:11] <henrix> smb: the makefile for the meta packages actually use rmadison
[12:11] <henrix> smb: that's how i found something's changed
[12:12] <smb> henrix, Ok, so that really sounds like something changed in between
[12:12] <smb> (not on the hosts)
[12:12] <henrix> yep
[12:17] <ppisati> smb: it works
[12:17]  * smb assumes it is the getabis script and not the rmadison call
[12:18] <ppisati> smb: yep, getabi
[12:18] <smb> ppisati, Cool, then you can ack it
[12:19]  * smb closes both eyes on tangerines dmesg...
[12:20] <smb> hm gomeisa as well...
[12:20] <henrix> ouch! :)
[12:20] <smb> apw, non-accessible hardlink creation was attempted by: git
[12:26] <henrix> i've never seen this error before, but it looks like its yama related
[12:26] <henrix> sysctl kernel.yama.protected_nonaccess_hardlinks
[12:28] <smb> henrix, Yes I think it is some effect of hardening
[12:38] <smb> henrix, It might be we need to talk to sforshee ... ;)
[12:39] <smb> ... and Joe and Colin...
[12:41] <smb> ... he and I have to talk to me as well...
[12:41] <henrix> heh
[12:42] <apw> smb, so when is that happening?  when pusing or locally?
[12:42] <smb> apw, Cannot say, its just entries that happen at some point
[12:42] <apw> smb, not that it matters probabally ... as git will fall back to copying
[12:43] <smb> Must be something I cannot write to... hm, maybe --reference /usr3/...
[12:44] <smb> apw, Yeah, both are on the same disk... I guess that is what happens
[12:45] <apw> yeah makes sense.  and git is hiding it from you probabally
[12:45] <apw> as it probally just does ln, and if that fails its copies
[12:45] <apw> assuming ln failure will be cross disk
[12:45] <smb> sounds reasonable... Just trying it, so my id should produce a new msg
[12:45] <smb> it did
[12:47] <smb> apw, And no error from git. Only scary thing is a double entry in alternates (which likely does not matter either)
[12:49] <apw> oh that is odd
[12:50] <smb> but I suspect it might be completely unrelated
[12:51]  * smb wonders whether hardlink protection might go a step too far, though
[12:52] <apw> it is doing what is intended, it is preventing you linking to things you cannot write to
[12:52] <apw> so that you cannot drop links to things you cannot modify in random places
[12:52] <apw> to be overwritten by accident
[12:52] <smb> hm, thought git would create only readable objects...
[12:53] <smb> though at some point they probably are writeable, otherwise it should not be possible to create them...
[12:58] <apw> i may be able to write to the directory but not link the files as they are yours
[13:05] <smb> apw, Well I guess, given that my objects appear to be writeable to me (on gomeisa, my local repo objects seem to be read-only) that hardlink failure is correct
[13:06] <henrix> apw: what about the rmadison failure i referred above? any idea?
[13:07] <apw> henrix, seems to work for me here now
[13:07] <apw> rmadison -a source linux
[13:07] <henrix> hmm... i'm unable to run it on tangerine or gomeisa, but it runs locally on my laptop
[13:08] <smb> And it still does not on gomeisa for me
[13:08] <smb> I asked on #is but got no answer yet
[13:08] <henrix> on gomeisa i get an error; on tangerine it seems to hang forever
[14:50]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:10] <hggdh> sforshee: just a Q -- my touchpad when south with the new kernel on quantal, is it still an option to try your dkms?
[15:15] <sforshee> hggdh, that dkms package was only for testing. All the changes should be in quantal, so if it worked with the dkms package and doesn't work with quantal file a bug and assign it to me.
[15:15] <hggdh> sforshee: will do, thanks.
[15:19] <sforshee> mjg59, would you be agreeable to picking up the gmux switcheroo changes now, before the graphics driver issues are sorted out? That will at least get the mux state restored correctly after s3.
[15:20] <mjg59> sforshee: Yeah, I think so
[15:20] <mjg59> sforshee: It shouldn't break any existing config
[15:20] <sforshee> mjg59, no it shouldn't. I'll rebase on top of your patches for the retina then and send the patches later today.
[15:21] <mjg59> sforshee: Brilliant, thanks
[15:28] <kiko> live hangout on status update for single zimage for arm http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIVqQKxCyQLJS6xvSmfndLA?v=4Lpzc_dkh9E
[16:37] <jsalisbury> **
[16:37] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:37] <jsalisbury> **
[17:23]  * ppisati -> out for a bit
[18:40]  * henrix -> EOD
[19:19]  * smb -> EOD
[20:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: bug 1008713, from linux-base/linux, but guess it affects more the images depending on flash-kernel
[20:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1008713 in linux "[STAGING] package linux-tools-common (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/perf.1.gz', which is also in package linux-base 3.4ubuntu2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008713
[20:02] <rsalveti> as flash-kernel depends on linux-base, which then doesn't let the user to install the linux-tools-common
[20:03] <rsalveti> which is a dependency from any specific linux-tools package, that covers perf
[20:18] <jpds> Does anyone know if there's a way to tell if a USB port is USB 3.0 compatible ?
[20:19] <jpds> Of course; $ lsusb.


[01:01] <jrwren> re: shaving soap. pretty much anything will work too. Ivory or Dove are both gental and super cheap.
[01:02] <jrwren> don't skimp on brush.
[01:02] <jrwren> I had a boar brush for a while, it was terrible.
[01:02] <jrwren> Badger is where it is at.
[01:19] <snap-l> jcastro: How does this remind you of me?
[01:19] <jcastro> snap-l: no idea
[01:19] <jcastro> like he'd be your brother or something
[01:22] <snap-l> Ah, if I had a dopey brother that obsessed over shaving.
[01:22] <jrwren> jcastro: for what is the witch hazel?
[01:23] <rick_h> jcastro: I kind of a agree, though I don't think I saw it until you said something
[01:29] <jcastro> jrwren: I think people use it for like an aftershave
[01:29] <jcastro> and astrigen
[01:34] <jrwren> yeah, i use it as an astringent, hopefully to minimize my pores, so I can be more perty :p
[01:34] <jrwren> but I dunno what it does for my shaving.
[01:34] <jrwren> i shall try it as aftershave.
[01:34] <jrwren> TOMORROW!
[01:42] <jcastro> I don't use it
[01:42] <jcastro> I am trying to avoid turning into a crazy person
[01:43] <jcastro> like audiophiles with cable elevators
[01:51] <snap-l> jcastro: Too late
[01:51] <jrwren> well, a pint of whichhazel is like $0.79 at meijer :)
[01:51] <snap-l> I expect you to be putting ferrite cores in your bathroom
[01:53] <jcastro> snap-l: oxygen free
[01:57] <snap-l> jrwren: http://www.michiguide.com/archives2012/2012/04/newsmakers-and-links-april-12.html
[01:59] <jrwren> wtf?
[02:00] <jrwren> well that is great. I hope they get some $$$ and increase their signal
[02:00] <jrwren> because its a weak signal even on campus
[11:52] <rick_h> morning party people
[12:09] <snap-l> Goooood morning
[12:09] <snap-l> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/12/2332239/indian-man-charged-with-blasphemy-for-exposing-miracle
[12:44] <jrwren> anyone else get spammed by mug announce this morning ?
[12:44] <rick_h> yea, last night got two of them for last tues's meetings
[12:44] <snap-l> Yes, it's my fault
[12:44] <rick_h> get him!
[12:44] <snap-l> I've been playing with r2e, and accidentally did a reset
[12:47] <rick_h> grrr, bzr die!
[12:52] <snap-l> my poor mail server is getting hammered as well. :)
[12:52] <snap-l> 337 feeds, some of which go back to 2007
[12:53] <rick_h> doesn't it limit it at all?
[12:53] <snap-l> not well
[12:53] <rick_h> I mean I load a feed into greader it only grabs the last 10
[12:53] <rick_h> ugh, that's off. My poor notmuch db would get hammered and seaching my email would be forever corrupt
[12:53] <snap-l> There is a --no-send flag
[12:54] <snap-l> but, when it runs in cron, there's not nuck you can do about it without killing it
[12:54] <rick_h> finally got the old backups to the nas. Found out I copied an rsync command from their docs that did symlink copying which made for a much larger copy that I intended
[12:54] <snap-l> Oh, lovely
[12:55] <rick_h> yea, so ended up blowing away some stuff and restarting some backups
[12:55] <rick_h> so only took a week to get the backups off, now to get the curent systems copying there now
[12:57] <brousch> i am experiencing the future, and it sucks
[12:57] <rick_h> lol
[12:57] <rick_h> what broke now brousch ?
[12:57] <brousch> We wanted to get a backup set of keys for the new used car
[12:57] <brousch> $230
[12:58] <brousch> the key has some encryption chip in it that pairs with a chip in the ignition
[12:58] <rick_h> ah yea
[12:58] <brousch> they have to program it, and only dealerships can do it
[12:58] <rick_h> car keys these days...can't keep people out of hte cars, but they can try to keep them from starting it
[12:59] <brousch> $230 for a key. these guys have their dicks in the peanut butter
[13:00] <brousch> you know what it costed to have a guy come out and break into the car when my wife locked herself out? $45
[13:00] <brousch> so she can lock herself out 5x for the price of a key
[13:00] <snap-l> brousch: Even better are the rfid keys
[13:01] <snap-l> expect those in the near future
[13:01] <brousch> rfid is cheap. that's the whole point
[13:01] <snap-l> so some thief will still be able to hotwire your car, but he'll be able to do it from 50 feet away
[13:01] <brousch> so why does it cost $230 to put it in a key?
[13:01] <snap-l> and you'll have to pay $500 for their newfangled keyfob
[13:01] <rick_h> well if anyone at the dealership touched it you nkow you add $100 to it
[13:02] <snap-l> brousch: the same reason it costs $600 for an in-dash radio that sounds worse than a college boombox
[13:02] <rick_h> and the programmer probably costs the dealership $100,000,000
[13:02] <brousch> that's maybe the most annoying part. only the dealership has the equipment to make a new key
[13:02] <rick_h> yea, else break-ins would be easy!
[13:02] <brousch> locked in tighter than an iphone
[13:02] <snap-l> brousch: Come to Detroit. I'm sure some warehouse somewhere has the same exact equipment
[13:03] <brousch> i mean come on, i live in grand rapids. my car is never going to be stolen
[13:08] <brousch> http://www.autotransponder.com/2009_subaru_forester_keys_and_keyless_entry_remotes
[13:08] <snap-l> brousch: It'll be moved if you happen to park on a nickel, though.
[13:08] <snap-l> Probably towed
[13:08] <brousch> so the key itself is $10 and the fob is $70. $70 for a nickle worth of plastick and a dollar in electronics
[13:09] <snap-l> I <3 MUG
[13:09] <rick_h> ?
[13:09] <snap-l> Sent out a message about the r2e screw up
[13:09] <snap-l> Hi Craig.
[13:09] <snap-l> Do you have any experience with building home media pc that utilizes things like XMBC ?
[13:09] <rick_h> lmao
[13:09] <snap-l> *headdesk*
[13:10] <rick_h> doh, krondor is doing his charm school at the same time as the web bof? booo
[13:19] <rick_h> crap, can we edit the PC schedule stuff at all? Where's waldo...
[13:19]  * brousch snickers
[13:19] <brousch> sorry, couldn't help it
[13:24] <rick_h> it was intentional :)
[13:31] <jrwren> brousch: i have solved this exact key problem.
[13:31] <jrwren> i just don't lock my car doors.
[13:32] <brousch> nice
[13:32] <brousch> i think i can get a remote door fob for cheap and program it myself
[13:33] <brousch> that will be good enough for now
[13:33] <brousch> still $70
[13:36] <jrwren> dist-upgrade is listing some NEW packages to be installed. how can I pin them as not install?
[13:38] <brousch> i found a programmable aftermarket fob for $40. at least i can open the doors even if i won't be able to start the car
[13:45] <jrwren> a my own q: use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
[14:29] <brousch> rick_h: i just saw your team pic from budapest. you've lost a lot of weight since i last saw you. good job!
[14:34] <rick_h> thanks
[14:40] <jrwren> http://gizmodo.com/5901263/court-rules-it-is-impossible-to-steal-computer-code  I preduct that SCOTUS will overturn this case.
[15:01] <snap-l> greg-g: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1680-how-boiron-scammed-me-and-paid-for-it.html
[15:02] <snap-l> jrwren: I expect the scotus to overturn something specific to this case, but nothing more
[15:02] <snap-l> the SCOTUS doesn't give the broad sweeps that I wish it would.
[15:20] <rick_h> send help to the first person that ever sends me a MP with a doctest in it.
[15:20] <rick_h> the fury that will be unleashed...
[15:22] <jrwren> EVERY scotus ruling IS broad sweeping.
[15:22] <jrwren> MP ?
[15:22]  * jrwren sends rick_h an MP
[15:23] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unleash_the_Fury
[15:23] <rick_h> jrwren: merge proposal sorry
[15:23] <rick_h> pull request, pick your term
[15:24] <jrwren> snap-l: I'm most amused that its posed on teh James Randi page.
[15:24] <jrwren> patch ?
[15:24] <rick_h> jrwren: sure, that'll count
[15:27] <snap-l> jrwren: Which, the homeopathy page?
[15:27] <snap-l> There's a whole foundation with James Randi's name on it
[15:27] <snap-l> The James Randi Educational Foundation (jref)
[15:28] <snap-l> I got JoDee a membership to it
[15:44] <jrwren> snap-l: yes, the homoepath page.
[15:44] <jrwren> yeah, Janice hosted James Randi for Ann ARbor Science and Sceptics.
[15:44] <jrwren> only reason I know of the guy
[15:45] <snap-l> He's the closest the skeptical community has to a religious figure.
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> I don't believe that
[15:46] <jrwren> lol
[15:55] <greg-g> snap-l: re those accidental MUG announce mails: they're also in HTML :/
[15:55] <greg-g> ;)
[15:55] <snap-l> you're welcome.
[15:55]  * snap-l needs to split out a separate r2e instance for that.
[17:48] <rick_h> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android seems like a pretty sweet idea
[17:48] <rick_h> more clocks than KDE!
[17:49] <brousch> unpossible!
[18:02] <greg-g> btw, we had an honest to goodness thunderstorm in SF last night. That never happens. I mean, people who have lived here for over a decade said that there was more lightnight and thunder last night than the whole time they've been here
[18:02] <greg-g> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129246/Once-lifetime-picture-lightning-striking-San-Franciscos-Bay-Bridge.html
[18:03] <rick_h> yea, saw that pic, awesome
[18:04] <greg-g> and just so you aren't momemtarily confused like I was, that is the Bay Bridge, not the Golden Gate :)
[18:04] <greg-g> I know it is in the title/url/etc, but they also said "iconic" which most people would assume refers to the GG
[18:26] <snap-l> I thought that referred to the Greg Grossmeier
[18:26] <greg-g> haha, nice, I didn't even realize that when I typed it
[18:26] <greg-g> also, Rowan loved it. He was so intrigued by it all
[18:52] <greg-g> aha! i figured out the muttrc problem!
[18:52] <greg-g> now, just need to figure out how to fix it
[18:54] <greg-g> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/618/
[18:54] <greg-g> the problem and explanation ^^^ for those who care to look
[18:54]  * jrwren contemplates moving to mutt
[18:55] <rick_h> greg-g: is there a space in between sent and mail?
[18:55] <rick_h> if so you might have to escape it?
[18:55] <greg-g> I know it is an escaping issue, but man, I'm bad at remembering all the little.....
[18:55] <greg-g> hmmm
[18:56] <greg-g> yes, there is (stupid gmail's "imap" server implementation)
[18:56] <rick_h> folder-hook +mitechie.* set query_command='"goobook query \'%s\'"'
[18:56] <rick_h> so I've had to do that where I have spaces/etc in there
[18:57] <rick_h> folder-hook +mitechie.* set sendmail='"/usr/bin/msmtp -a mitechie"'
[18:57] <rick_h> same thing there
[18:57] <greg-g> w00t!
[18:57] <greg-g> that was it (adding the 's)
[18:57] <greg-g> thanks rick_h
[18:57] <rick_h> awesome
[18:57] <rick_h> np
[18:57] <greg-g> I'm so bad at remember the escaping rules
[18:58] <rick_h> yea, it's strange in there, I can't explain it, but know it works for my rules
[18:58] <greg-g> :)
[19:01] <greg-g> jrwren: do it, you'll have tons of config file support from rick_h  and I
[19:11] <jrwren> ok, i will.
[19:20] <jrwren> got a getting started guide?
[19:20] <jrwren> or should I just look for rich_h dotfiles on github?
[19:20] <rick_h> I don't keep my email stuff on github since it's pretty personal
[19:21] <rick_h> https://bmark.us/recent/mutt has some good mutt links/info
[20:09] <jrwren> multiaccount mutt looks like shit.
[20:10] <jrwren> I think I'll pass for now.
[20:53] <greg-g> jrwren: wha? nah, I love it
[20:53] <greg-g> I use 3 imap accounts plus 5 From: addresses with no problem
[20:55] <jrwren> all the multiacct things I saw looked ugly config
[21:12] <greg-g> config may be 'ugly' but use isn't.
[21:12] <greg-g> really, my sig/default FROM is auto-set based on which folder the email I am reply to is in (or which one I'm just looking at right now).
[21:13] <greg-g> but I can change the from: by just doing one of v1, v2, v3, v4, v5
[21:18] <greg-g> n0p: :) http://flixel.com/flixel/9fb92fe986fe799834ee
[21:19] <n0p> :-D
[22:39] <jcastro> rick_h: your gear get in yet?
[22:40] <jcastro> greg-g: that is one awesome pic
[23:26] <rick_h> jcastro: what gear?
[23:26] <rick_h> jrwren: I don't use the sidebar. I just use . and such to know which dirs have new email and jump to them
[23:27] <rick_h> jrwren: but I did end up aggregating my accounts into one single imap account I manage now
[23:53] <snap-l> greg-g: Those "Flixel" images (cinemagraphs) are CREEPY


[03:29] <astraljava> Okay folks, the hopefully final kernel is in the archives, go test as soon as you possibly can.
[03:34] <astraljava> Right, I'll take that back, sort of. It's yet in -proposed. If you could, please add that to your sources.list.
[03:39] <len-1204> astraljava, the topic for #ubuntustudio says we do not have a live CD... we should maybe change that
[03:40] <astraljava> len-1204: Yes well, I'm not sure any of the active devs have privileges on that channel. Let me see.
[03:42] <len-1204> astraljava, downloading new kernel.
[03:44] <astraljava> Yeah, don't have privileges there, yet. We're working on it together with the IRCC, but they require us getting some training first, so we're gonna have to ask someone change that for us by the time precise gets released. So far it still holds true, actually.
[03:44] <len-1204> ok
[03:45] <len-1204> Might do to add something that says people do look at the back logging... so just ask your question instead of asking is anyone there.
[03:46] <len-1204> Anyway...reboot time.
[03:49] <len-1204> astraljava, boots ok anyway, is there something I should be looking for?
[03:51] <astraljava> len-1204: I'm not aware of any huge changes, but I'll read the changelog soon. Meanwhile, if you have any performance tests where you could catch any possible regressions, that'd be good.
[03:52] <len-1204> 20:50:49.533 XRUN callback (1). But then I just rebooted.. there could be something just starting still
[03:57] <len-1204> There was only one kernel listed on the boot screen. Right one though
[04:07] <len-1204> Thats interesting: 20:58:29.541 XRUN callback (9).
[04:07] <len-1204> 21:00:29.537 XRUN callback (11).
[04:07] <len-1204> 21:02:29.534 XRUN callback (12).
[04:07] <len-1204> 21:04:29.536 XRUN callback (14).
[04:07] <len-1204> 21:06:29.535 XRUN callback (16).
[04:08] <len-1204> All my xruns are at the same second about 1 minute apart.
[04:14] <astraljava> len-1204: But there was the 'Previous linux versions entry', right?
[04:15] <len-1204> not for the old kernel, but only the ones on the other disk... I'll look again in a min.
[04:16] <astraljava> len-1204: I didn't see a list of the older kernels either, just a line underneath the latest saying 'Previous linux versions'. Don't know how grub2 operates, though, so no idea whether they were removed by accident, on purpose or what happened there.
[04:17] <len-1204> The old one is still in /boot though.
[04:19] <len-1204> I'll look again
[04:21] <len-1204> astraljava, ok the old one is there.
[04:22] <astraljava> len-1204: Right.
[04:28] <astraljava> micahg: How's your schedule for the next 14 hours? Is there a chance you could upload our packages, or should I ask around on -motu?
[04:28] <micahg> haha
[04:28] <micahg> let me see if I can do teh stuff in the branches
[04:29] <astraljava> Thanks!
[04:31] <micahg> astraljava: 1.  changelog should be UNRELEASED until tag for upload, 2.  there should only be 1 UNRELEASED changelog entry at a time :) (which there actually is in this case, but 2 with precise)
[04:32] <micahg> -default-settings looks sane enough, will collapse the changelogs and upload
[04:33] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, a HUGE (like '              ' huge) thanks!
[04:34]  * micahg wonders why there is an ubuntustudio-logo.png in the branch if there's an svg
[04:35] <micahg> ScottL: one change per commit please :) (it's easy enough to tell them apart this time)
[04:36] <micahg> also, there's no svg for the ubuntustudio-logo-menu.png menu file
[04:37] <astraljava> Hmm... not desirable. len-1204, have you worked with those? Do you have the files in question?
[04:38] <micahg> astraljava: do you want me to hold off on uploading?
[04:38] <astraljava> micahg: If you could for a little while until I find out whether there's anything to be done about that.
[04:38] <micahg> astraljava: ok, I just pushed up r117 with the collapsed changelog
[04:39] <astraljava> Thanks!
[04:41] <len-1204> I don't know that I can add anything to that... besides svgs being harder (for me) to work with ;-)
[04:41] <len-1204> There have always been the 3 files
[04:41] <astraljava> len-1204: Right, yeah I wasn't sure about who's worked on this.
[04:42] <len-1204> Scott did the icons
[04:42] <astraljava> I guess we'll just wait on ScottL to wake up.
[04:42] <astraljava> Yep.
[04:47] <micahg> astraljava: for the meta, just get anyone with upload rights to do it (MOTU or core-dev)
[04:48] <astraljava> micahg: Alright, will do. Thanks for your help, and good luck with the rest of the tasks! :)
[04:49] <micahg> I'm just waiting to hear back if you need a UIFe for the -lightdm-theme package
[04:49] <astraljava> Oh that's what that is about. Right, I'll monitor -release for responses.
[04:49] <micahg> also, right now ScottL is the maintainer, should that be Ubuntu Studio Developers?
[04:50] <astraljava> Oh, it totally should. Want me to fix it?
[04:50] <micahg> sure, I just pushed a fix up for it
[04:53] <astraljava> Ok I see it.
[05:02] <astraljava> micahg: What docs?! ;)
[05:03] <astraljava> Pushed a fix for the maintainer, also added the VCS field.
[05:06] <astraljava> len-1204: All I see in the changelog for this latest -lowlatency is it's rebased against the vanilla kernel, and a fixed invalid headers link. So no reason to test anything specifically. Just watch for any performance regressions.
[05:26] <len-1204> astraljava, there is something that is happening every minute that is causing xruns. I don't think it is the kernel though.
[05:29] <astraljava> len-1204: Try to monitor the logs, I have no idea what that could be.
[05:30] <len-1204> It'll have to be tomorrow. I'll try both kernels just to be sure.
[05:31] <micahg> astraljava: that should just be Vcs-Bzr (only needs XS when adding another thing like Debian)
[05:32] <astraljava> micahg: Good catch, thanks!
[05:33] <astraljava> Fixed.
[05:35] <ailo> len_: You get that with both your audio devices?
[05:35] <ailo> I mean, xruns every minute..
[05:37] <micahg> astraljava: still not right :(, that's the Vcs-Browser URL, Vcs-Bzr for launchpad should point to code.launchpad.net which is branchable
[05:37] <micahg> Vcs-Bzr is used for debcheckout so it needs to be branchable
[05:44] <astraljava> micahg: Gah, I copied that from another branch. Thanks for pointing this out.
[05:47] <astraljava> micahg: Is it ok to use the format -default-settings has? Ie. "Vcs-Bzr: lp:ubuntustudio-default-settings"
[05:50] <micahg> astraljava: that's a good question, I don't know (I would think it's ok)
[05:50] <micahg> maybe ask in -devel
[05:51] <astraljava> Ok I will, thanks.
[05:53] <ailo> The rtirq script raises rtprio for the whole irq where the sound device is located. At least that is how it seems to me. I disabled the script, and I still have rtprio at 50 for my audio devices, as well as a lot of other stuff
[05:53] <ailo> I wonder why that is, and if it is normal
[05:54] <ailo> Won't spend any time thinking about that right now, cause I don't really have the time for it
[05:54] <ailo> I would like to determine how effective the script really is
[05:58] <ailo> len_: Do you get any other messages besides that there was a xrun?
[06:00] <ailo> Even though pulseaudio is pretty well behaved with jack, I wonder if it is smart to have it on while recording at low latencies
[06:00] <ailo> It does sometimes produce xruns, like any other program
[06:05] <astraljava> ailo: len_: There'll be an update to pulseaudio soon-ish, so might wanna have a go at that to see how it behaves.
[06:06] <ailo> On pulseaudio, I don't think it causes any problems as long as it is inactive
[06:08] <ailo> I think it happens mostly when PA loads whatever it is about to play
[06:10] <ailo> That should probably not need to cause any xruns, since the PA/jack module is connected all the time
[06:10] <ailo> Oh, I get xruns because of PA, even when PA is not using the jack module as its' output
[06:39] <micahg> astraljava: do you know if ScottL tested the lightdm-theme
[06:40] <astraljava> micahg: Not really, no. He's been busy with actual work, so haven't been around much.
[06:40] <astraljava> micahg: But I can test it now.
[06:40] <micahg> astraljava: do you want to test it quick?  do you need a binary?
[06:40] <micahg> it's a quick local buld
[06:41] <astraljava> micahg: I can build it here, right?
[06:41] <micahg> so, just let me know if it works and I'll push the button to upload
[06:41] <micahg> yeah
[06:41] <astraljava> Ok, I'm on it.
[06:41] <micahg> bzr bd -S
[06:41] <micahg> err..
[06:41] <micahg> 'bzr bd' should work in this case
[06:45] <astraljava> Didn't have bzr-builddeb installed, I've always used pbuilder. :) But I'm testing on another machine, so takes a few minutes to set it up.
[06:45] <astraljava> Oh, gotta look up what I'm checking out from it.
[06:47] <astraljava> micahg: Yes, the change works.
[07:04] <micahg> astraljava: if you don't use bzr-builddeb, you're likely to end up with a messy checkout
[07:04] <micahg> bzr tags
[07:05] <micahg> oops :)
[07:06] <micahg> astraljava: uploaded
[07:07] <astraljava> micahg: How so? The *.dsc is created outside of the source directory. pbuilder shouldn't touch that, right?
[07:07] <astraljava> Thank you!
[07:08] <micahg> astraljava: hmm, when creating a source package, if you run debuild -S in a checkout dir, you might end up with some files being changed on occasion
[07:09] <astraljava> micahg: Damn, I didn't know that, and neither does the Recipes page mention that. Good to know.
[07:09] <micahg> the clean rule might remove (files that probably shouldn't be in there in the first place) or regen translations (which shouldn't happen on clean either)
[07:10] <astraljava> Right, I'll keep that in mind, then.
[07:10] <micahg> astraljava: you can actually pass bzr bd commands to just build binaries for you in pbuilder straight away, take a look at the help entry
[07:12] <astraljava> micahg: You mean the --builder option?
[07:13] <micahg> astraljava: yes
[07:13] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, that's very useful. Thanks!
[09:22] <micahg> astraljava: do you want the release version of laditools for precise? https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/laditools/+changelog, the top 3 changelogss
[09:24] <micahg> nevermind, it doesn't build
[09:24] <astraljava> Ok. :)
[09:25]  * micahg thinks it would be nice, but doesn't have time to fix
[09:30] <astraljava> Ok, I will take a look.
[09:36] <micahg> astraljava: the failure is the lack of the rsvg script that may or may not be reintroduced in precise
[09:45] <micahg> astraljava: mlt builds if you want to file an FFe for it
[09:46] <micahg> http://mltframework.blogspot.com/2012/02/version-078-released.html
[09:47] <micahg> not sure how many of those features exist in the snapshot
[09:50] <astraljava> micahg: Yeah it's not in precise. There's rsvg-convert, which apparently doesn't do the same thing? Haven't investigated yet.
[09:56] <astraljava> Yeah it's not the same. Damn.
[09:57] <astraljava> Needs an -o option.
[10:03] <astraljava> micahg: Ugh... I'd need to learn to use kdenlive. :) I'll see what I can do.
[10:05] <astraljava> Hmmm... kdenlive is not installed, even though ubuntustudio-video is.
[12:34] <ScottL> micahg, astraljava : the only change (IIRC) for lightdm-theme was setting a different background (not that i didn't mess that up:P )
[12:35] <ScottL> astraljava, i don't think kdenlive was currently in the video seed?  i thought we excluded it because of all the dependencies (which were very appreciable)
[12:35] <ScottL> that said, i used kdenlive for my netcast i did and found it much better (IMO) that openshot
[12:35] <ScottL> it have many, many features that are much easier to use than blender and offers many of the compositing features that blender does
[12:36] <ScottL> although blender does still seem to have a few that no one else does, but could be used as a tool for a particular function, a subset of the larger workflow as it were
[12:37]  * ScottL getting kinds ready and off and then going to work
[12:43] <astraljava> ScottL: I don't know what I was thinking re: kdenlive.
[12:43] <astraljava> ScottL: But please have a look at the .svg vs. .png thing.
[12:58] <astraljava> I guess he was gone already :-/
[13:59] <len_> astraljava, I don't think there should be an svg in the pixmaps dir anyway. The svg shold be in a sub of the icons dir. programs that use the pixmap dir may not be able to handle an svg.... good thing p(png) comes before s(svg)
[14:00] <len_> scott-work, people are waiting to upload settings because they are confused about there being both an svg and a png logo.
[14:02] <len_> gotta go...
[14:02] <astraljava> len_: Ok, if you say so. I have no idea about this branding thing.
[14:03] <scott-work> len_: astraljava: i think both .svg and .png have been there for a while and i *think* it might be based on what xubuntu has done
[14:03] <scott-work> that last part might not be right
[14:03] <scott-work> but both have been there for a while
[14:03] <len_> It works as the way Scott has it and it would be better than where things are.
[14:04] <scott-work> if necessary pull the .svg and we will stick it in the "resources" branch in launchpad for such assets (which i want to do more organizing with this coming cycle)
[14:28] <astraljava> scott-work: The thing is, nobody seems to know what's necessary. I think it's your call now whether to ok or not-ok the upload of ubuntustudio-default-settings. micahg might not have time to do that, so we'll have to find someone from -devel or -motu or -release to do the upload.
[14:29]  * astraljava is suddenly not on such a good mood anymore...
[14:29] <astraljava> One box won't boot from recent ubuntu images, my studio session just halted with sound going in a loop, brasero whines about every burning session...
[14:31] <astraljava> This is not the kind of hard freeze day I'd want to live through.
[14:31] <astraljava> I'd have wanted to*
[14:42] <scott-work> astraljava: do i need to make a comment in #ubuntu-release for the -default-settings upload?  somewhere else?
[14:42] <scott-work> i would upload as is since it seemed to work earlier in the cycle and we can see about paring it down later
[14:42] <scott-work> astraljava: ewwww, that's not good about your tests :(
[14:43] <scott-work> maybe only part of some change have been implemented and is causing an unstable system (although i can't think of anything in particular that would cause it - at least from what we have been doing)
[14:43] <astraljava> scott-work: If you would just ask on any of the channels that has core-devs or motus on it to do that, probably -release is best as they know you there. :)
[14:44] <scott-work> will do
[14:50] <scott-work> no response yet from -release and -motu
[14:51] <scott-work> i wonder if it was micagh who was the primary concern
[14:51] <astraljava> The freeze won't happen in 6 hours, so you've got time.
[14:52] <astraljava> Unless I am mistaken about the time.
[14:52] <astraljava> Usually it used to be 2100 UTC.
[14:52] <astraljava> Not sure about this one, though.
[15:43] <ttoine> hi
[15:43] <scott-work> hi ttoine
[16:09] <micahg> ScottL: was referring to -default-settings about the 2 changes per commit thing
[16:32] <micahg> scott-work: the question was did you want to ship an SVG for the -menu as well, it's not included
[16:33] <micahg> scott-work: SVGs are good as they're the original source material, whereas a PNG without an SVG is harder to modify
[16:33] <scott-work> micahg: i did not intend to exclude it
[16:33] <micahg> scott-work: I was just wondering if there was one around to include
[16:34] <micahg> and ideally, you'd want to generate the png at build time from the svg to make the source smaller (and insure the png is built from source)
[16:34] <scott-work> micahg: i am confused, when you say "for the -menu", do you mean the -menu package?
[16:34] <micahg> but we don't need to do that now
[16:35] <micahg> scott-work: the -menu png didn't have an SVG whereas the other png in there did
[16:35] <scott-work> as in ubuntustudio-menu source package?
[16:35] <scott-work> oh, oh, i see
[16:35] <scott-work> i used the same .svg to make both of the .png files
[16:38] <micahg> scott-work: I'm confused, if it's the same image, why is it there twice?
[16:39] <scott-work> primarily because i didn't know what was required and i was making sure i had an image for each of the previous instances in the -defaul-settings package (and probably for the xubuntu-default-settings as well)
[16:40]  * micahg wonders if someone has time to a new package without it duplicated
[16:40] <micahg> scott-work: is it just used in default-settings or elsewhere as well?
[16:41] <scott-work> micahg: i cannot state explicitly, but i believe it is used only in default-settings package
[16:41] <micahg> scott-work: well, it's probably safer to just leave it for precise and remove it starting in Q
[16:41] <micahg> scott-work: but your call
[16:42] <scott-work> micahg: can we be safe?  i will happily put in on my list for Q-cycle
[16:43]  * scott-work is adding it curerntly to his evernote 'q development' note
[16:43] <micahg> scott-work: yeah, let me build and upload default-settings then, thanks
[16:43] <scott-work> micahg: i say it quite often, but please don't let it dimish the sentiment;  no, thank you!
[16:45] <micahg> scott-work: I'll file a couple of bugs now as well
[16:46] <scott-work> micahg: can you post the numbers so i can add them to my 'q development' note as well
[16:46] <micahg> sure
[16:49] <micahg> Bug #980059 and Bug #980060, I can target them to Q if you like
[16:53] <micahg> scott-work: default-settings uploaded
[16:59] <scott-work> micahg: once again, thank you for you efforts, assistance, and knowledge, we certainly would not get things done otherwise
[16:59]  * scott-work has also noted bug numbers in his note
[17:00] <micahg> scott-work: did you want them targetted in launchpad?
[17:00] <scott-work> looking now
[17:05] <scott-work> micahg: no miletsone set
[17:05] <scott-work> and i am unable to set it either
[17:05] <micahg> scott-work: yes, I offered to target to Q for you if you so desire :)
[17:05] <scott-work> oh, sorry, yes, please
[17:05] <scott-work> i thought you asked if they _were_ already
[17:05] <scott-work> okay, going to lunc
[17:05] <scott-work> lunch
[21:53] <len-live> default settings did not make it in time for todays ISO :-(
[21:54] <astraljava> len-live: That's alright, at least it made it in time before the freeze, which is not what happened with the other fixes. :-/
[21:55] <len-live> Ok astraljava, I am on my desktop and so far no xruns. Is the new kernel in the ISO?
[21:55] <astraljava> len-live: I have absolutely no idea. Will check tomorrow, kinda burnt out right now.
[21:56] <len-live> No problem, I would guess synaptic will tell me...
[21:56] <len-live> No. still version 22.
[21:56] <len-live> I will install and upgrade to new kernel.
[22:06] <micahg> astraljava: I hope  you got all of your stuff in, I'll be back Sat night my time
[22:12] <astraljava> micahg: infinity hasn't gotten back to me, so I doubt it.  Thanks for your awesome, rockin' work! :)
[22:13] <astraljava> Have a good rest. :)
[22:13] <micahg> astraljava: what didn't get uploaded?
[22:13] <astraljava> I mentioned three bugs with debdiffs on them, he complained about the mixer change, and left it at that.
[22:13] <astraljava> Not blaming him, mind you.
[22:14] <astraljava> Just way, way, way too busy with other stuff. :)
[22:16] <astraljava> Bugs are: bug #972749, bug #972781 and bug #973373
[22:17] <micahg> meh, ok, let's talk sun morning
[22:18] <micahg> the meta fix needs to get in
[22:21] <astraljava> Right. If there's still something that can be done, I'm sure we can do it later as well. Thanks again, and try to relax and have some fun. Not saying ubuntu hacking isn't fun, but you know... :)
[22:23] <micahg> I'm off for the end of Passover
[22:23]  * astraljava looks that up
[22:24] <astraljava> Oh okay. Well, what a bad timing, coinciding with the release schedule madness.
[22:24] <astraljava> Too bad you missed most of it.
[22:25] <micahg> yeah, I've got holidays around both releases, makes for fun scheduling
[22:26] <astraljava> Do you ever get a time-off, like for realsies? :)
[22:26] <micahg> yes, I rarely take it though
[22:26] <astraljava> Hehe.
[22:26] <astraljava> Hope you'll endure it, then. :)
[22:26] <astraljava> We can't afford to lose you. :)
[22:33] <len-live> astraljava, how much do you know about sound cards and interrupts?
[22:34] <astraljava> len-live: Just the basics, why?
[22:34] <len-live> I have two cards:  20:     975305          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   snd_ice1712
[22:34] <len-live>  21:     704245          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   snd_ens1370
[22:35] <len-live>  and the ice has no xruns at p64 but the ensoniq has lots at p128
[22:36] <len-live> What I have read suggests putting the card on irq 9
[22:36] <len-live> So I will mess around till I can get the ICE there... so what irq is second best?
[22:36] <len-live> I wouldn't be using the ensoniq for sound, just for midi.
[22:38] <astraljava> I could be wrong here, maybe they really matter, but I always thought that just as long as there's not many devices on the same irq, it's good.
[22:41] <len-live> I wonder wht makes the ensoniq so bad.
[22:43] <len-live> Oh well, I could never sync it to the ice anyway. I should probably tell pulse to ignore it though.
[22:49] <len-live> Some irqs do get looked at before others though.  You should talk to David about this.
[23:14] <len__> Makes sense actually. I think the ice talks with PA a lot more and the irq has higher priority (if  I remember my harrdware stuff right.) The ensoniq works ok in PA mode only with no jack.
[23:15] <len__> It was just that I remember the ensoniq being rock solid when it was all I had... so I was surprised it was acting up.
[23:15] <astraljava> len__: Yes ok, but he might be interested about those findings anyway.
[23:16] <len__> installing the new kernel now
[23:16] <len__> What is his userid?
[23:17] <astraljava> I don't think he's on IRC that much. You can reach him at David Henningsson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>though. If you send him an email, please CC the -devel list, and encourage him to do the same (not that he wouldn't). It'd be interesting talk.
[23:18]  * astraljava notices it's two hours into the Friday the 13th already, so probably should step away from the computer now
[23:19] <len__> Thats only bad if you keep slaves...
[23:19] <astraljava> Heheh. :) Anyways, the games are starting, so I'm gonna go crash on the couch. Talk to you tomorrow.
[23:20] <len__> Bye.
[23:44] <len__> Hexter doesn't seem to start.
[23:58] <len__> aeolus cashes on startup...
[23:58] <len__> May be an interaction with pulse.


[18:46] <CodeRed> I'm new in here need some advice about where to start can anybody advice ?
[19:34] <CodeRed> I'm getting an error on installing ubuntu through wubi " cannot download the metalink and therefore the iso "
[19:34] <CodeRed> how to get through this


[00:54] <Frenk_> Hey I have a problem with my MySQL - I create the config my.cnf and they get deleted. When I try to start mysqld it stopps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548399/ | mysql_safe does work for the website but phpmyadmin doesnt work
[00:58] <Frenk_> For now my /usr/bin/mysqld is running and I can see the website (which uses MySQL) but I can not access MySQL via PHPmyadmin with the same username and pw I use for the website.
[00:58] <Frenk_> Any ideas>?
[00:59] <patdk-wk> hmm, more logs would help
[00:59] <patdk-wk> all you showed is it quiting, not anything before the quit message
[01:04] <Frenk_> patdk-wk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548402/ This is all I got
[01:05] <patdk-wk> 101229 01:45:11 mysqld_safe A mysqld process already exists
[01:06] <patdk-wk> you can't run mysql, if mysql is ready running :)
[01:10] <Frenk_> patdk-wk: okay I got it =) But now I have just mysqld running
[01:10] <patdk-wk> I only have mysqld running also
[01:11] <Frenk_> and the website gets the connection - i see the data on the website | PHPmyadmin refuses to log me in
[01:11] <Frenk_> another application on the same server says: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0
[01:11] <patdk-wk> are you sure phpmyadmin is connecting the same way?
[01:12] <patdk-wk> same ip address, or using socket?
[01:12] <Frenk_> actually i dont know. where can i check it?
[01:13] <patdk-wk> I dunno, in your programs, phpmyadmin and website stuff, and whatever else uses mysql
[01:15] <Frenk_> looks like the same way - both use php and dbhost=localhost and port 3306
[01:16] <patdk-wk> same or different users?
[01:16] <patdk-wk> is phpmyadmin attempting to use root login?
[01:17] <patdk-wk> root login might not be allowed via ip by default, not sure
[01:17] <Frenk_> im using another login = not root but the same as for the webiste
[01:17] <Frenk_> let me check the config - one sec
[01:20] <Frenk_> patdk-wk: the config looks like this> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548406/ so i assume thats okay
[01:24] <patdk-wk> I have no idea, I would never use phpmyadmin myself
[01:26] <Frenk_> patdk-wk: I think I found the problem. Maybe both (the second application and phpmyadmin are connecting by IP?) And when I telnet i got: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[01:27] <Frenk_> Should I try to bind mysql to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:27] <patdk-wk> netstat -atnp | grep mysql
[01:27] <patdk-wk> does that show anything?
[01:27] <Frenk_> netstat -apn | grep LIST | grep 3306 >> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3306          <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      27977/mysqld
[01:28] <patdk-wk> so it's bound to localhost
[01:28] <patdk-wk> if you did tell those programs to use localhost, it should work
[01:28] <patdk-wk> when you login with phpmyadmin, it asks you for the database hostname/ip?
[01:28] <patdk-wk> use <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:28] <patdk-wk> does it work?
[01:30] <Frenk_> mh trying
[01:31] <Frenk_> nope =( Will try to bound it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:33] <patdk-wk> doubt that will fix it, but will open up mysql to the world though, unless you have firewall rules to block it
[01:33] <patdk-wk> and then it would be the same as not doing that anyways :)
[01:33] <Frenk_> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3306            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      19078/mysqld
[01:33] <Frenk_> If i try to telnet: Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host.
[01:34] <Frenk_> And this still doesnt work >S
[01:43] <Frenk_> patdk-wk: haha solved that one
[01:44] <Frenk_> patdk-wk: now everything works
[01:51] <Frenk_> patdk-wk I googled the error my secont application produced and all i had to do was to add ALL:  localhost, <IP_ADDRESS> to hosts.allowed
[01:52] <Frenk_> (Quite paranoic security rules on the server obviously)
[01:53] <patdk-wk> odd :)
[01:55] <Frenk_> gn8!
[01:55] <Frenk_> thx!
[02:14] <ne7work> how to check file exist ?
[02:14] <ne7work> which is the command for that for directory is ls -na
[02:14] <ne7work> please tell me
[02:16] <The_Tick> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=linux,+check+file+exists
[02:16] <The_Tick> I don't know or I'd just tell you
[02:16] <The_Tick> but google knows all
[02:16] <ne7work> please tell me
[02:17] <ne7work> the command
[02:17] <The_Tick> click on that link
[02:17] <ne7work> ls what?
[02:17] <ne7work> I click and I can't understand
[02:17] <The_Tick> and go read the search results
[02:17] <The_Tick> I'm sorry I cannot help you
[02:18] <ne7work> The_Tick
[02:18] <ne7work> -e: Returns true value if file exists
[02:18] <ne7work> and how to use that
[02:35] <ne7work> how to change default directory on proftpd
[02:35] <ne7work> ne7work DefaultRoot / ?
[02:35] <ne7work> or how?
[02:55] <Spirits-Sight> what does LVM do?  I am new to this stuff and trying to setup a server using Ubuntu server 10.04
[03:33] <Spirits-Sight> anyone here?
[03:33] <Delerium_> I am
[03:33] <Delerium_> But I'm a noob ;)
[03:34] <Spirits-Sight> dunn I am too :-)
[03:35] <Delerium_> Doh! Any question that I might try to help you out?
[03:40] <Spirits-Sight> I am trying to figure out what selections I should pick for what I want to do
[03:41] <Spirits-Sight> I am programing (trying) in python and will also host asterisks and want to be able to host two other small sites but one main site
[03:44] <Delerium_> Hum... Python come with the basic installation, website need Apache, do you need php/ mysql ?!
[03:47] <Spirits-Sight> doing mysql for the database
[03:47] <Spirits-Sight> don't think will need php
[03:48] <Spirits-Sight> it appears if I use a webframe work then it will come with a server called paste I think
[03:48] <Spirits-Sight> don't know if it is really good or not as I am new to all this
[03:49] <Delerium_> Don't know about this one, but if you need apache + mysql, you can do a very basic installation, then apt-get install apache-server / mysql-server
[03:50] <Spirits-Sight> thats what I am thinking.  do u know what the vitual machion host is?  also I would use openSSH to go into the system right?
[03:52] <Delerium_> The Virtual Machine Host will let you create VM guest under this "Host" installation, if you don't plan to do any virtualizarion, it's not required
[03:52] <Delerium_> to install openSSH : apt-get install openssh-serverr
[03:54] <Spirits-Sight> what the virtual machine host be the thing I use to host the other two sites?
[03:54] <Spirits-Sight> I have my site web app and then two small organization websites
[03:55] <Delerium_> Nope, the Virual Machine in the installation menu is more about, let say, One Physical Machine under which are running different Virtual Machine (This is complete, separate OS)
[03:56] <Spirits-Sight> OK now I got it :-) I was think that but was not sure if it was talking about different website or faking a system :-) nope not need that
[03:57] <Delerium_> For your dffierent website, there is a couple of way to do it, does your sites will have DNS entry?  Or are they just for testing purposes locally?
[03:59] <Spirits-Sight> do u know how to setup so that a dymic domain point to the system and the system looks at the domain that was used say person enters site1.com or site2.com or site.com and it would point to the right site but seeing how I have a dynimac IP address I need to use one of the sites that update the DNS information
[03:59] <Spirits-Sight> wow that was a mouth full
[04:01] <Delerium_> You can use DynDNS, and get 3 names (you won't be the owner of the domain), and in your apache configuration, use Virtail Host to use the right DocRoot depending on which URL was called
[04:02] <Spirits-Sight> OK, I have installed the server and now need to setup so I can access the system using my desktop system also Ubuntu Desktop
[04:03] <Spirits-Sight> DynDNS allows u to use your own domain names I think for a fee now :-)
[04:03] <Delerium_> Yup, I just bought my domain a few day ago... Domain Name + Custom DNS about 60$ a year
[04:06] <Spirits-Sight> OK do you know how to get me to be able to log into the system now using my desktop?
[04:07] <Spirits-Sight> I have openshh installed on both system I believe I kow its on the server as I just did it
[04:07] <Delerium_> ssh user@hostname (or IP)
[04:08] <Spirits-Sight> sweet I am in OK
[04:09] <Spirits-Sight> now here is a dum one, how can I disable the monitor on the other system
[04:15] <Delerium_> Just close it?! :)
[04:16] <Spirits-Sight> its a laptop and screen stays on when the lid is closed
[04:23] <Delerium_> Don't know about this one :(
[04:35] <kaushal> hi
[04:36] <kaushal> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on HP DL 360 G6 server
[04:36] <kaushal> Can someone please recommend good Hardware Raid Controller card ?
[05:35] <billybigrigger> how can i setup a git repo in my webroot?
[05:35] <billybigrigger> webroot=/var/www
[05:35] <billybigrigger> ie /var/www/billy.git
[05:45] <kaushal> hi
[05:50] <joschi> billybigrigger: http://progit.org/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
[05:52] <gobbe> kaushal: 3ware
[05:53] <kaushal> gobbe: for HP DL 360 G6 ?
[05:53] <Spirits-Sight> how do u save changes in VIM
[05:53] <gobbe> kaushal: well, it's good for every server
[05:53] <kaushal> ok
[05:54] <gobbe> kaushal: HP's own raid controller is usable, but not very good
[05:54] <kaushal> gobbe: is there a wiki for Ubuntu ?
[05:54] <kaushal> gobbe: so HP's is onboard ?
[05:54] <gobbe> no, HP's raid is also card, i haven't seen any onboard
[05:54] <gobbe> kaushal: wiki.ubuntu.com?
[05:54] <kaushal> ok
[05:55] <kaushal> gobbe: for Hard Disk Raid Controller card
[05:55] <gobbe> what kind of wiki?
[06:04] <kaushal> gobbe: is it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1224849 ?
[06:06] <gobbe> i'm not sure what you are looking for
[06:07] <gobbe> but those 3wares mentioned there are well suitable
[06:08] <kaushal> gobbe: Thanks
[06:11] <Slyboots> intresting
[06:11] <Slyboots> Can SMB not handle files of 6gb or above?
[06:11] <Slyboots> Or.. some weirdness like that?
[06:13] <gobbe> what do you mean handle?
[06:18] <billybigrigger> joschi, thanks
[07:35] <airtonix> when installing apache2, the user www-data created : << is this given a password ?
[07:36] <airtonix> i would like to do something similar for a daemon i want to setup, but im am unsure as to what was done in the case of apaches dedicated useraccount
[07:39] <joschi> airtonix: no, www-data won't have a valid password
[07:39] <joschi> airtonix: it's not meant to login with
[07:43] <airtonix> so something like : sudo adduser desired-daemon-name -r -p -s=/dev/null
[07:44] <airtonix> i am not entirely sure how to specify "no password"
[07:45] <airtonix> and i am aware that /dev/null as the shell would prevent login abilities
[07:45] <airtonix> or at least thats what i assume
[08:00] <joschi> airtonix: use /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin as shell, not /dev/null
[08:44] <_ruben> airtonix: check the manpage of adduser, there's a parameter for "disabled password"
[09:05] <sabat-laptop> I have a ubuntu server 10.04 system, it has xorg, gnome-desktop-environment and virtualbox. it's meant to be a virtualbox host only, but when I connect via vncviewer, it pops up the gnome-keyring locally, and doesn't let the remote connection work. Any ideas how to fix this? I am fine using anything as long as vnc works
[09:13] <_ruben> sabat-laptop: well, technically speaking you turned your -server into a -desktop, and thus making your questions offtopic for this channel
[09:13] <_ruben> server != gui
[09:14] <sabat-laptop> _ruben: my "server" is a virtualbox devel server, for creating operating systems...
[09:14] <sabat-laptop> I need virtualbox, via vnc, as part of the server.
[09:14] <sabat-laptop> it's kindof hard to install an os in a virtual machine without having visual access to it
[09:15] <sabat-laptop> so virtualbox server := server
[09:15] <_ruben> not when it comes to ubuntu support
[09:16] <_ruben> you're having an X/GUI/Gnome related question, which is offtopic for this channel
[09:16] <sabat-laptop> sigh... I'm running ubuntu server, with stuff installed via apt... so it's not supported.
[09:16] <sabat-laptop> how quaint.
[09:17] <sabat-laptop> You can buy a car, but if you put a cd in it, that we gave you access to, you're unsupported.
[09:17] <sabat-laptop> seriously?
[09:18] <sabat-laptop> that's asenine.
[09:18] <_ruben> no, it means the car mechanic at the dealer wont help you with a scratched cd
[09:19] <_ruben> or just leave :)
[09:19] <shang> lol
[09:19] <_ruben> !gui
[09:20] <_ruben> hm, no channel specific info
[09:39] <ways> can anyone help me try to get ubuntu on an ancient laptop?
[10:44] <lieuwe> i need to run a java program as a daemon on my server, but  i have no idea how to get it to start on startup
[10:51] <joschi> lieuwe: write an init script for it
[10:51] <joschi> lieuwe: or if you use vixie-cron, you could write a crontab entry running on @reboot
[10:56] <lieuwe> joschi: is there an example init script somewhere that i can modify, and where do i place it?
[10:57] <joschi> lieuwe: normally you'll place it in /etc/init.d/.
[10:57] <joschi> lieuwe: if it should just run on ubuntu, you can as well write an upstart job. see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
[11:08] <lieuwe> joschi: thanks, got it to work with the upstart job
[11:10] <gobbe> :)
[11:13] <xampart> hmph....what is wrong with my crontab entry: "5 * * * * /usr/sbin/arping_duplicate 2>/dev/null"? using just /usr/sbin/arping_duplicate 2>/dev/null works fine
[11:16] <gobbe> xampart: >/dev/null 2>&1
[11:16] <gobbe> if you mean that you dont want email?
[11:17] <xampart> gobbe: that's just for the arping_duplicate error message "WARNING: interface is ignored: Operation not permitted" to not be shown
[11:54] <gobbe> ok, anyway my line should do it
[11:57] <macno> Hi, I have 2 identical servers (lucid) and on one of them one service doesn't start at boot
[11:57] <joschi> macno: then they aren't identical by definition
[11:57] <macno> joschi, you're right
[11:58] <macno> I tried to configure both at the same way
[11:58] <joschi> macno: maybe you want to share the error message(s)
[11:58] <macno> no error
[11:58] <macno> just don't start
[11:58] <macno> it's cman
[11:59] <macno> if is run service cman start , it starts correctly
[11:59] <macno> s/is/I
[11:59] <macno> and I see it joining the cluster
[12:00] <joschi> macno: runlevel for the init script is correct?
[12:00] <macno> good question, but I don't see any link in /etc/rc2.d
[12:00] <macno> neither on the node where it starts
[12:00] <joschi> macno: is it an init script in /etc/init.d/ or an upstart job in /etc/init
[12:01] <macno> the script is in /etc/init.d
[12:02] <joschi> macno: /etc/rc2.d is only one runlevel
[12:02] <joschi> there are more ;)
[12:03] <joschi> macno: maybe you want to read http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man8/update-rc.d.8.html
[12:04] <macno> joschi, is there something like chkconfig in ubuntu? to show me in which runlevel the script is enabled?
[12:05] <macno> joschi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/548506/
[12:05] <macno> this is on the node where cman starts at boot
[12:05] <joschi> macno: and now add the init script on the other node to runlevels 0, 6, and S
[12:08] <macno> joschi, hum, on the other node I already have them , but only in 0,6
[12:11] <macno> joschi, well, I manually added the link in rcS.d,  rebooting now
[12:18] <macno> joshi , thanks it worked. I'm gonna read what rcS.d is
[13:33] <alkisg> I want to "limit rate of outgoing traffic to 100Mbps per *destination*, not source IP". What qdisc should I be looking at?
[14:02] <Spirits-Sight> how do I enable ability to use sftp or other protocal to upload and download stuff to my server 10.04
[14:03] <patdk-wk> install opensshd
[14:04] <patdk-wk> openssh-server I guess :)
[14:05] <pmatulis> Spirits-Sight: installing openssh-server will allow clients to upload & download via sftp.  the ssh/sftp *client* is installed by default on any ubuntu machine
[14:06] <patdk-wk> ya, but normally, to my server, means he is running the client not at the server :)
[14:14] <pmatulis> ya, but 'download to my server' is also nonsensical.  i gave a generic answer
[14:15] <patdk-wk> :)
[15:45] <Psi-Jack> Does Ubuntu have an rsync'able repo so I can archive a local mirror?
[15:46] <maswan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[15:48] <maswan> basically, just choose a close mirror and hit it with rsync -av host::ubuntu ubuntu for a local mirror of the archive if you just want an occasionally updated one
[15:49] <patdk-wk> it will do all current versions though, if you don't want to, that method won't work (600gigs about currently?)
[15:49] <skorv> can bind9 work with 2 subnets (3 ethernet adapters(1wan;2lan)
[15:49] <Psi-Jack> I have a few things I'd like to do. Keep it trim so it only has the arch's I need, which IIRC Ubuntu only really has i386 and amd64 anyway, and the distributions I want, which will be Lucid/10.04
[15:50]  * patdk-wk would go for probably an apt-cacher-ng or squid method for that
[15:50] <Psi-Jack> Nah. Rsync is fine, even if I have to script it to get just what portions I need. ;)
[15:50] <patdk-wk> I dunno how you would script rsync to do that
[15:50] <Psi-Jack> Same way I do it with CentOS, likely. :)
[15:51] <patdk-wk> you would have to download and parse the package list, and have rsync sync once per package
[15:51] <patdk-wk> no, completely different from centos, it won't work :)
[15:51] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. That's right.. They have the whole pool thing, don't they?
[15:51] <patdk-wk> yep
[15:51] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu that is.
[15:51] <Psi-Jack> Frack!  LOL
[15:52] <patdk-wk> there are ones that do it, I think apt-mirror does it
[15:52] <patdk-wk> but apt-mirror annoyed me
[15:52] <popey> debmirror is also good
[15:52] <Psi-Jack> yeah, and I wanted to have my storage server download it directly, which is OpenSUSE, so debmirror, and apt-* isn't available.
[15:52] <Psi-Jack> heh
[15:53] <patdk-wk> never heard of installing via tar.gz?
[15:53] <Psi-Jack> Anything else, I'd have to fricken setup an NFS export or something, and bleh, Just bleh. ;)
[15:53] <patdk-wk> what have people come to these days when they can only use binary packages :)
[15:53] <Psi-Jack> patdk-wk: Say whaaaaa? Are you cwazy? Don't answer, I already know.
[15:53] <maswan> skorv: yes
[15:53] <Psi-Jack> :)
[15:54] <maswan> skorv: If you want to serve up different views to different networks, that is also possible, but takes some trickery.
[15:55] <patdk-wk> heh, I'm liking apt-cacher-ng though, works, clean enough, no need to mirror everything like I used to
[15:56] <patdk-wk> use it for my clusters, and just use squid for my home lan
[15:56] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[15:57] <patdk-wk> I have done apt-mirror and rsync for awhile, just really the unreleased ubuntu version package changes annoyed me with rsync method, downloading a few hundred packages each day I didn't use
[15:57] <Psi-Jack> Well, If'n I'm gonna do it that route at all, I'ma hafta set it up on a debian server, so dunno how well that'd mix with Debian and Ubuntu both shareing the same cacher method.
[15:57] <patdk-wk> they shouldn't care at all :)
[15:58] <Psi-Jack> And I prefered it to be as transparent as possible. heh
[15:58] <patdk-wk> ya, apt-cacher/apt-mirror I don't think are transparent
[15:58] <Psi-Jack> Like, able to be performed during installation? ;)
[15:58] <patdk-wk> but just set a proxy setting in apt and it's good
[15:58] <patdk-wk> during install, yes, just use the proxy setting during install, it always asks :)
[15:59] <Psi-Jack> So, apt-cacher-ng could be transparent by using a proxy setting?
[15:59] <patdk-wk> yep
[15:59] <patdk-wk> squid is already transparent, or using proxy
[16:00] <patdk-wk> I haven't done an install yet with apt-cacher-ng, I could try one now just to test :)
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[16:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I've a bit to setup to get that idea rolling. Likely seting up my director vm to NFS mount the storage server to house everything.
[16:06] <Psi-Jack> patdk-wk: Thanks for the idea of apt-cacher-ng. Looks like it's probably the best route for me, so far. ;)
[16:07] <patdk-wk> don't use apt-cacher, I tried it, it took 5min to do an apt-get update with it
[16:08] <Frenk> Hey. I have a Apache2 server and 2 domains. I also have a web-frontend on port 3000. Now I want to configure it that way = I can access the web-frontend by using domain.com but not with anotherdomain.com. How to do that? I already tried that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548560/
[16:10] <patdk-wk> yep apt-cacher-ng works fine for install time, mini-iso tested :)
[16:13] <patdk-wk> frenk, you need to define a virualhost _default_:3000 and have it reject all
[16:13] <patdk-wk> and then have that virtual host seperate
[16:14] <Frenk> i have it as a seperate file in sites-enabled... what do you mean?
[16:23] <Italian_Plumber> greetings... anyone subscribe to the Ubuntu Security Updates RSS feed?  there hasn't been any update for about 2 weeks now.
[16:24] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: guess that's a good thing
[16:24] <patdk-wk> not really :(
[16:24] <giovani> Italian_Plumber: mailing lists are typically the prefered notification method for security updates in any community
[16:24] <giovani> I don't know anything about the RSS feed
[16:25] <Italian_Plumber> what's the ubuntu mailing list?
[16:25] <patdk-wk> I have gotten a one email, that didn't popup on the security rss feed
[16:25] <patdk-wk> but ya, nothing has happened for awhile
[16:25] <giovani> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-security-announce
[16:26] <Italian_Plumber> according to this page http://www.ubuntu.com/usn the mailing list and the RSS feed are the same...?
[16:26] <giovani> Dec 16 was the last post
[16:26] <Italian_Plumber> just kinda wierd to have gone for more than 2 weeks with no notices.
[16:26] <giovani> Italian_Plumber: you appear to be correct, like I said, I don't know anything about the RSS feed
[16:27] <giovani> many people are on vacation, etc, it's not terribly surprising
[16:27] <Italian_Plumber> true
[16:29] <Italian_Plumber> The last kernel update was 12/15 ... loooks like I didn't install it... my uptime is ~28 days
[16:30] <giovani> Italian_Plumber: you might've installed it, but not rebooted
[16:30] <giovani> ksplice ftw
[16:39] <_ruben> if only it were free
[17:27] <jdstrand> giovani, Italian_Plumber: yes, people are on vacation which is why there haven't been USNs. we are monitoring for high priority issues though
[17:30] <Yizi> anyone can help me with iptables?
[17:30] <kim0> Yizi: just ask
[17:30] <Yizi> ok i have a ubuntu machine with 3 network cards
[17:30] <ish10> hey guys how do u use nagios plugins?
[17:30] <Yizi> eth0, 1, 2
[17:31] <Yizi> eth1 is connected to net using a gateway
[17:31] <Yizi> on eth0 i have intranet where i need them to be able to access the internet
[17:31] <Yizi> i need to setup the iptables on my ubuntu machine being the middle computer
[17:32] <kim0> Yizi: so u just want to setup natting ?
[17:32] <Yizi> so allow intranet users to access the web
[17:32] <Yizi> what i'm doing is im writting a shell script
[17:32] <Yizi> can i NAT in that too?
[17:33] <kim0> Yizi: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[17:33] <kim0> Yizi: this would enable intranet outgoing access to internet
[17:33] <Yizi> thats amazing
[17:34] <Yizi> one more question, how will i be able to prevent packets which logically originated from the internet?
[17:34] <kim0> Yizi: for more details .. might wanna read this https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html (masquerade section)
[17:40] <pmatulis> i converted single disk non-raid (A) into raid1 with new disk (B) and managed to boot into B (/ on md0); do i need 'grub-install /dev/A' (or anything else)?
[17:45] <ish10> does anyone here use nagios?
[18:08] <eagles0513875> hey guys stupid question probably is it possible to setup quotas on a folder
[18:11] <pmatulis> eagles0513875: i think it's just per filesystem
[18:11] <pmatulis> eagles0513875: not 100% sure
[18:14] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:14] <eagles0513875> tried googling but not turning up much
[18:17] <gobbe> yep
[18:17] <gobbe> i
[18:17] <gobbe> quotas are per set per filesystem
[18:18] <eagles0513875> gobbe: is it possible to do per folder?
[18:18] <eagles0513875> i need that to restrict websites that i have in /var/www
[18:18] <patdk-wk> eagles0513875, if you mount a filesystem per folder, yep
[18:19] <patdk-wk> eagles0513875, your thinking about it wrong :)
[18:19] <eagles0513875> what should i do
[18:19] <patdk-wk> depends, what is the goal?
[18:21] <eagles0513875> basically im going to be setting up packages
[18:21] <patdk-wk> no, explain how you want the quotas to work
[18:21] <eagles0513875> on a per folder basis
[18:21] <eagles0513875> depending on the package
[18:22] <patdk-wk> that makes no sense to me
[18:22] <eagles0513875> what would oy recommend
[18:22] <patdk-wk> I can't recommend anything, as I have no clue what you want, except the impossible
[18:22] <eagles0513875> :-/ ok
[18:23] <sacarlson> eagles0513875: quotas as Identified by what?
[18:23] <sacarlson> ip?
[18:23] <sacarlson> name and user?
[18:23] <eagles0513875> not ip just size
[18:23] <eagles0513875> site size
[18:23] <sacarlson> size to all users
[18:24] <sacarlson> as measured bytes from a folder
[18:24] <eagles0513875> each client will have a folder for their site which is setup as a vhost
[18:25] <eagles0513875> lets say for a site you have 2gb of space have a hard limit on space
[18:25] <sacarlson> well webalizer tracks that
[18:25] <sacarlson> so interface to that and you should have it
[18:25] <eagles0513875> ok but then how does one restrict site size
[18:26] <sacarlson> rename the dir so they can't get in?
[18:26] <eagles0513875> for a particulare folder then lets say 2gb for site2
[18:26] <sacarlson> or redirect to a page that says sorry can't come in
[18:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:27] <sacarlson> so first look at the code of webalizer and see how they do it
[18:27] <sacarlson> the rest is easy
[18:27] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:27] <eagles0513875> thanks sacarlson
[18:28] <gobbe> eagles0513875: you could do lvm-volume for www and add it there
[18:28] <eagles0513875> ya only have 1 hdd not setup as lvm
[18:28] <gobbe> eagles0513875: and mount it, then you have it per folder
[18:29] <patdk-wk> :) as long as you have enough diskspace for fullcapacity of all sites
[18:29] <gobbe> yep
[18:29] <eagles0513875> right now only 3 clients
[18:29] <eagles0513875> my site
[18:29] <eagles0513875> crm
[18:29] <eagles0513875> and 2 clients
[18:29] <patdk-wk> use spares file backed lvm?
[18:29] <eagles0513875> ?
[18:29] <gobbe> what do you want to achieve?
[18:30] <gobbe> i dont really get your point
[18:30] <eagles0513875> im considering renting an offsite server as a roll over if my connection goes down or something
[18:30] <patdk-wk> he wants quotas, but not via user/group :(
[18:30] <patdk-wk> or did you mean me, with the sparse file?
[18:31] <gobbe> ok
[18:33] <patdk-wk> hmm, 4Tb sparse file, formated lvm, and split into 200mb sections and mounted, should be fun :)
[18:38] <patdk-wk> hmm, asx works fine for me
[18:38] <eagles0513875> im strapped for cash atm
[18:38] <patdk-wk> oh opps :)
[18:38] <eagles0513875> i woudl buy 2x2tb hdds
[18:38] <eagles0513875> and mirror them
[18:38] <patdk-wk> eagles0513875,  the only way to do it without wasting craploads of diskspace is with a sparse file
[18:39] <eagles0513875> which means
[18:39] <patdk-wk> google:sparse file
[18:41] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:41] <eagles0513875> question webalizer how does one view the information
[18:41] <sacarlson> I think I still have 3 or 4 still on my server I just link this one
[18:42] <sacarlson> opps sorry wrong page
[18:45] <patdk-wk> nice, 100gig sparse file, created lvm with 6 volumes is only 28k :)
[18:47] <SpamapS> sparse files.. or "how to completely fragment your hard drive twice in under 1 second" ;)
[18:51] <patdk-wk> SpamapS, that too :)
[19:01] <gobbe> :D
[19:01] <gobbe> sparsefiles are quite deadend
[19:01] <gobbe> :D
[19:02] <patdk-wk> it fixs a problem, while creating another one down the road
[19:03] <gobbe> yes
[19:08] <eagles0513875> !webalizer | eagles0513875
[19:08] <eagles0513875> how does webalizer   work
[19:08] <eagles0513875> do i just then configure it?
[19:08] <gobbe> eagles0513875: www.webalizer.org?
[19:10] <eagles0513875> there isnt much there
[19:11] <gobbe> so what are you looking for?
[19:12] <patdk-wk> a way to use du -s /var/www/*, and disable a folder that has gone over quota :)
[19:12] <eagles0513875> patdk-wk: in a nutshell yes
[19:12] <patdk-wk> seems pretty simple :)
[19:13] <eagles0513875> is webalizer what i want
[19:13] <gobbe> no
[19:13] <gobbe> webalizer is just analysis
[19:13] <eagles0513875> that i do want to keep though
[19:13] <eagles0513875> so i cen see site stats etc
[19:14] <gobbe> well, then webalizer is for you
[20:56] <etcetera> I did a cp -R from a directory to /usr/local/ instead of /usr/local/foo
[20:57] <etcetera> how do I pipe all the contents from the source directory into an rm-rf
[20:58] <qman__> probably some sort of loop with a find
[20:59] <qman__> but unless you have a ton of stuff in there I'd just do it manually, probably would take less time and then you know for sure you don't accidentally delete something you weren't supposed to
[20:59] <etcetera> I'm sure it's a common occurence.
[21:00] <gobbe> etcetera: find /some/directory -name '*match*' -exec rm {} \;
[21:00] <etcetera> gobbe: where /some/directory is the source directory I used to cp?
[21:01] <gobbe> etcetera: well it's directory where do you want to delete files
[21:01] <gobbe> but it deletes the original directory
[21:01] <gobbe> i mean content
[21:01] <etcetera> ?
[21:01] <gobbe> i'm not sure what do you want to do
[21:02] <qman__> he copied recursively to the wrong location, and now he wants to undo
[21:02] <etcetera> gobbe: I have a source dir ~/foo that I did cp -R to /usr/local/ instead of /usr/local/foo
[21:02] <gobbe> and you want to do what?
[21:02] <qman__> so he wants to take the list of files in the original location, and remove them from the new location
[21:02] <gobbe> aah
[21:02] <gobbe> well that wont do it then
[21:02] <etcetera> find all *files* in /usr/local that match ~/foo
[21:02] <qman__> find is the right tool, but I don't know what sort of statements or loops you'd need to pull it off
[21:02] <etcetera> but not folders, I will handle that myself.
[21:04] <gobbe> you could find them, put output to file, change path to /new/folder and pass that to rm
[21:25] <Slyboots> Anyone here familure with NFS in windows :P
[21:26] <Slyboots> Set it up' I can connect.. but it keeps complaing that its Read-only (should have rw )
[21:28] <subrosian> i seem to be having issues with installing openssh-server through apt-get
[21:28] <giovani> subrosian: can you be specific?
[21:28] <giovani> (what issues)
[21:29] <subrosian> package "openssh-server" has no installation candiadate
[21:29] <giovani> do an apt-get update
[21:29] <giovani> your package lists are likely out-of-date
[21:29] <subrosian> very possible, thanks :)
[21:32] <subrosian> ah, my DNS wasn't working properly which was causing apt-get upgrade issues
[21:32] <subrosian> seems to be good now, thanks a bunch
[21:33] <subrosian> apt-get update*
[21:33] <giovani> subrosian: no problem
[21:38] <etcetera> wouldnt it be better to do an ls of all the files in the source dir recursively...
[21:38] <etcetera> and then pipe that to a find which matches those in the /usr/local and issues the -exec rm?
[21:39] <etcetera> again, my situation is i acidentally did a cp -R ~/foo /usr/local instead of /usr/local/foo
[21:40] <etcetera> and I want to delete all the *files* in /usr/local that correspond to those found in ~/foo
[21:40] <etcetera> I will handle deleting the folders myself.
[22:02] <etcetera> sorry about that, anyone with some insight?
[22:03] <giovani> etcetera: I don't know what you're asking -- you seemed to have begun talking in the middle of an explanation?
[22:04] <etcetera> giovani: I asked the question earlier.
[22:04] <etcetera> I have a directory ~/foo which I accidentally copied to /usr/local instead of /usr/local/foo
[22:04] <etcetera> I need to figure out a way to delete all the -files- out of /usr/local/ that are in ~/foo
[22:06] <giovani> you can do an ls ~/foo and then use any kind of stream editor like sed to prepend /usr/local/ to the filenames, then pipe that output to rm
[22:06] <giovani> that's how I'd do it
[22:07] <etcetera> ok, obviously my command line fu is lacking.
[22:08] <etcetera> I cannot for 1 figure out how to get all the files as a list but still recurse the directories.
[22:08] <giovani> oh, foo is multi-level?
[22:08] <etcetera> yar.
[22:08] <giovani> that's a bit more complex, let me think for a sec the best way
[22:08] <etcetera> I plan on manually rm-ing the dirs.
[22:09] <giovani> no need
[22:09] <Pici> find /path/to/stuff/ -type f
[22:09] <giovani> yeah, that's not enough though
[22:09] <etcetera> giovani: well there is a need.
[22:09] <etcetera> I have a ~/foo/bin
[22:09] <etcetera> and I don't want to delete /usr/local/bin
[22:09] <giovani> yeah
[22:09] <giovani> I was saying, you won't delete the dirs
[22:09] <giovani> just the files that were copied
[22:10] <etcetera> right.
[22:13] <giovani> etcetera: find . -type f | sed -e "s/^./\/usr\/local/" | xargs rm
[22:13] <giovani> you run that in ~/foo
[22:13] <giovani> or specify ~/foo instead of "." in find
[22:13] <giovani> I'd run it once without "rm" and instead with "echo" to get a list of all files it's about to delete
[22:21] <etcetera> giovani: awesome. thanks.
[22:22] <etcetera> after a really long time in the windows world, I am still to this day glad I never had to learn set.
[22:22] <etcetera> sed*
[22:22] <etcetera> that being said…after all this time it's a damn shame there isnt a more semantic api for filtering.
[22:23] <RoyK> been entraped on windoze_
[22:23] <RoyK> ?
[22:25] <etcetera> entrapped, no.
[22:41] <giovani> glad he never had to learn sed?
[22:41] <giovani> that's unfortunate
[22:41] <giovani> there's nothing illogical about sed's syntax
[23:35] <chrowe> anyone here use the Landscape service and have issues with the landscape-package-reporter using 99.9% of the CPU?
[23:57] <pmatulis> chrowe: sounds odd
[23:58] <chrowe> pmatulis: it looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/675577


[11:16] <anddam> hello
[11:23] <anddam> I'm using Firefox Quantum from http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-next/ubuntu
[11:23] <anddam> is there a way I can install Developer Edition rather than Beta?
[11:29] <ricotz> anddam, no, there are no devedition branded ppa builds
[11:29] <ricotz> what in specific are you looking for?
[11:30] <ricotz> (58.0b3 is in progress)
[11:32] <anddam> oh, hi
[11:32] <anddam> since you're there
[11:33] <anddam> or rather "here"
[11:33] <anddam> I wasn't sure if https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-aurora was supposed to offer Developer Edition
[11:33] <anddam> given that Aurora got renamed Developer Edition
[11:33] <anddam> I see you just updated packages there
[11:34] <anddam> AFAIK Developer Tools has support for unsigned extension and is a bit more bleeding edge than Beta
[11:35] <ricotz> mozilla started to tag betas within the "merge-week" so these receive a high amount of changes with beta 1 to 3
[11:36] <ricotz> aurora was dropped and devedition was there already in the past, simply a corresponding build of the beta with less restrictions as you mentioned
[12:00] <anddam> and you confirm ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/firefox-aurora isn't developer edition, right?
[12:02] <anddam> since I have ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next once it gets update I'll receive 58.0betasomething
[12:03] <ricotz> anddam, yes
[12:03] <ricotz> see it as staging ppa for early betas which are in heavy flux
[12:09] <anddam> I'll fetch the .deb from mozilla for dev edition, thanks for the info
[12:15] <anddam> mm nvm, it's a tarball with not even the desktop file
[12:38] <ricotz> there are firefox-trunk ppa builds which would give you those dev features too
[14:52] <anddam> ricotz: like  ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa?
[14:52] <anddam> isn't that nightly rather than dev edition?
[14:56] <ricotz> anddam, yes
[15:35] <anddam> thanks again
[21:33] <holgersson> Hi! How do you guys actually test packages in your testing repos?  :-D
[21:36] <holgersson> (I guess you have scripts, and just to learn a bit about automated testing I’d be glad to take a glance on them.)


[02:36] <Deffy|iMac_> howdy
[02:37] <Deffy|iMac_> does ubuntu-mobile work well with the eeePC?
[06:09] <inuka> ping alek_desk
[06:10] <alek_desk> inuka: pong
[06:15] <inuka> alek_desk: do you have access to the build server?
[06:16] <inuka> alek_desk: libdrm and libva do not seem to building... just give error message debian directory not found
[06:17] <alek_desk> inuka, no, only JohnV could fix this
[06:17] <alek_desk> inuka, I guess you already created GASTON branch
[06:18] <alek_desk> HappyCamp
[06:18] <alek_desk> HappyCamp_ubuntu
[06:18] <alek_desk> sodarock_home
[06:18] <alek_desk> sodarock_ubuntu
[06:21] <inuka> alek_desk: yeah e-mailed JohnV and rusty. This happend once before when I first created the psb-kmd GASTON branch. JohnV did something to fix it...
[07:09] <andy_lin> nls
[07:10] <andy_lin> sorry .
[07:49] <woodwizzle> Are there any available ubuntu mobile devices out yet?
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[13:43] <cgregan> lool: in reference to xephyr not being able to connect to ports. Does the chroot use a resolve.conf within the chroot?
[13:43] <StevenK> cgregan: It may well
[13:48] <cgregan> StevenK: Yep.....the resolve was set to a static domain and dns.
[13:49] <StevenK> cgregan: Ahhh, probably from what it was built on.
[13:49] <StevenK> cgregan: In which case, I'd suggest that merits a bug on MIC
[13:51] <cgregan> stevenK: ok....the full runs no problem, but the crownbeach target cannot start x
[13:52] <StevenK> Interesting
[13:53] <lool> cgregan: Yes
[13:53] <lool> cgregan: Networking is something you have to configure when creating a chroot; it's not bringing up and down interfaces but telling your system about hosts and DNS servers
[13:54] <StevenK> lool: MIC copies the /etc/resolv.conf from the host
[13:55] <cgregan> StevenK: This appears to be true. When creating on this machine there was not a problem, but importing uses the resolve the image was created on.
[13:56] <lool> StevenK: Yeah, but it wont work when moving the chroot around, if your DNS changes, etc.
[13:57] <StevenK> lool: Exactly. It also means information about the build environment is leaked.
[13:57] <lool> Yeah, I mentionned this a long while ago about the hosts
[13:57] <StevenK> hosts I fixed
[13:57] <StevenK> /etc/resolv.conf is harder
[14:01] <cgregan> StevenK: Here is the message spit out when the xserver fails in the crownbeach target:
[14:01] <cgregan> Fatal server error:
[14:01] <cgregan> could not open default font 'fixed'
[14:01] <cgregan> waiting for X server to begin accepting connections
[14:01] <cgregan> giving up.
[14:01] <cgregan> xinit:  Connection reset by peer (errno 104):  unable to connect to X server
[14:01] <cgregan> xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
[14:01] <StevenK> Errr
[14:01]  * davidm is back (gone 86:17:19)
[14:02] <lool> cgregan: You seem to be missing fonts
[14:04] <lool> cgregan: xfonts-base would provide the fixed font
[14:04] <cgregan> lool: I'll try to apt-get it
[14:05] <StevenK> It should be installed
[14:06] <cgregan> StevenK: It was not. utils and encoding were also brought down
[14:07] <StevenK> Interesting
[14:09] <cgregan> StevenK: the crownbeach target looks to be corrupted or incomplete.
[14:09] <lool> cgregan: What image is this?
[14:10] <cgregan> StevenK: yesterday daily build of Menlow
[14:10] <StevenK> full or core?
[14:14] <StevenK> According to the 20080401 menlow-full logs, xfonts-base was installed
[17:52] <lool> Will do a short test
[17:52] <lool> #startmeeting
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[22:41] <Deffy|iMac_> hi
[23:29] <inuka_desk> ping amitk_