[00:00] <Switches> But at the mo they are all separate pretty much, since my server went and died :p
[00:00] <daftykins> *gasp*
[00:00] <daftykins> when mines down entertainment is greatly limited, such as when my PSU failed
[00:01] <Switches> Yeah I can't say I didn't get my time outta my little Dell tbh, I got it from a company I was working at when they were going to bin it.. It's probably around 15 years old xD
[00:03] <daftykins> what died?
[00:03] <Switches> Memory
[00:04] <Switches> And its ECC Reg dimms, was looking at getting some for it, but haven't found any that will actually work.
[00:05] <Switches> Plus the fact that ones I have found have been in the £600 range, I can build a decent system for that :p
[00:10] <daftykins> ooh i misread the date on the press embargo being June 29th, i doubt i'll want to wait for AMD's offerings
[00:10] <daftykins> (that's just the Polaris press event)
[00:11] <Switches> :(
[00:11] <diddledan> how did you get ahold of the date when it's embargoed?
[00:13] <daftykins> http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-polaris-tech-day-nda-ends-on-june-29th
[00:15] <diddledan> so is the "June 1st Event" in an hour and a bit or in 25hours and a bit?
[00:16] <diddledan> i.e. GMT says it's June 1st now. but they might be using a merry can time
[00:17] <daftykins> http://videocardz.com/60686/watch-amd-computex-polaris-update-live-stream-here
[00:17] <daftykins> 100 mins
[00:17] <diddledan> aha
[00:17]  * diddledan leaves that tab open
[00:18] <daftykins> these are exciting times!
[00:18] <diddledan> I wonder if the AMD GPU + HyperV + DRM video issue has been solved yet
[00:19] <daftykins> wussat?
[00:19] <diddledan> netflix wouldn't work on my old AMD card when I had Hyper-V turned-on
[00:20] <diddledan> https://help.netflix.com/en/node/5026
[00:20] <daftykins> how about if you run a nice virt tech ;D
[00:21] <diddledan> lol
[00:21] <diddledan> the problem is the winphone emulizer from visual studio required hyper-v
[00:21] <diddledan> requires*
[00:22] <daftykins> :<
[00:22] <daftykins> how evil of 'em
[00:22] <daftykins> how ghetto is your card?
[00:22] <diddledan> it's not now. I got an nvidia because I bricked the AMD with a botched firmware
[00:23] <daftykins> oh yeah
[00:23] <daftykins> wasn't that the time i mentioned the idea of putting it in the secondary slot, if you have a board with 2 x PEG slots, then flashing it to resurrect?
[00:23] <diddledan> I could try putting it in alongside the nvidia to try reflashing
[00:23] <daftykins> ;D
[00:23] <diddledan> yeah that
[00:28] <daftykins> diddledan: this might be better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icm9B1nkGJ0
[00:28] <diddledan> aah yeah, that'll probably be a good stream
[00:30] <daftykins> is it time yet?!
[01:40] <diddledan> 15 minutes?
[01:41] <daftykins> close, ja
[01:42] <daftykins> just watched a Better Call Saul episode to march on the time ;D
[01:45] <daftykins> it started!
[01:47] <diddledan> anyone got any glue - to pass the time you watch tellybox, I slice my thumb open
[01:47] <daftykins> you didn't D:
[01:48] <diddledan> ackident
[01:48] <diddledan> damned fan-header was exposed and my thumb was careless
[02:02] <daftykins> diddledan: this accent :D
[02:03] <diddledan> :-)
[02:09] <daftykins> actually i don't want to download drivers every day ;D
[02:12] <daftykins> bettin' big on VR, then
[02:15] <diddledan> the report was right about the cost then
[02:15] <Switches> yeah
[02:15] <daftykins> indeedy
[02:15] <daftykins> wonder what the performance will be
[02:16] <daftykins> fair chunk lower TFLOPS than the nvidia 1070 even
[02:16] <diddledan> comes in 4GB and 8GB
[02:16] <daftykins> holy moly they've made a jump there
[02:16] <diddledan> 14 nanny meters
[02:18] <daftykins> season for doom XD
[02:19] <diddledan> we're doomed
[02:19] <diddledan> wow that's purdy
[02:20] <daftykins> heh gonna need a new TV to see HDR ;)
[02:21] <daftykins> c'mon demoooo
[02:23] <Switches> Now that's impressive..
[02:24] <daftykins> shame SLI/CF suck
[02:24] <Switches> Crossfire doesn't suck unless it's on Linux xD
[02:25] <daftykins> i've never been a fan of dual card solutions
[02:25] <daftykins> hrmm well that's probably the only bit i was fussed about
[02:25] <Switches> SLi just sucks everywhere, none of the lower end cards supported it
[02:26] <daftykins> guy in the red shirt is anandtech's British fella i think
[02:26] <Switches> That was good to see, shame I don't have a dual slot CF board :p
[02:26] <diddledan> does anyone have an ability to do mixed-vendor multicard?
[02:26] <daftykins> yep
[02:26] <Switches> DX12
[02:26] <Switches> Vulkan
[02:26] <daftykins> best combo is one AMD and one nvidia supposedly
[02:26] <daftykins> there are benchmarks out there
[02:27] <Switches> AMD gets a bonus for not needed a bloody huge bridge between the cards xD
[02:27] <daftykins> you don't know yet...
[02:28] <Switches> They won't and haven't for the last 2 or 3 generations, they even have Dual Graphics for a Discrete/APU
[02:28] <Switches> And that was meant to be Discrete+APU >.< it's to late
[02:29] <Switches> I want to see if they managed to cram R7>9 performance into an APU yet
[02:29] <daftykins> hehe
[02:30] <Switches> They are doing the FX!! yes!
[02:30] <Switches> There has been talk around that they weren't doing the FX and only doing the APU
[02:31] <daftykins> yay demos
[02:32] <Switches> hmm wait a sec they added graphics to the FX series.. I hope not..
[02:32] <daftykins> sounds like FX here is just a top tier of APU
[02:32] <Switches> Maybe
[02:33] <Switches> Yeah look FX 9800 APU
[02:33] <daftykins> hah that vid told nothing
[02:33] <daftykins> (of the game)
[02:35] <diddledan> hah, had to be the bunny
[02:35] <daftykins> ;]
[02:35] <Switches> Hmm quad core
[02:36] <Switches> Oh ffs.. really AMD >.<
[02:36] <diddledan> we want MOAR CORES
[02:36] <daftykins> tee-hee
[02:36] <daftykins> MS in the place
[02:37] <Switches> We want new cores not bloody Excavator >.<
[02:37] <daftykins> everyone has a small shrubbery on them
[02:37] <diddledan> yeah I was wondering about those shrubs, too
[02:39] <Switches> 300 million devices, 297 million forced to upgrade :p
[02:39] <diddledan> I need to flog myself. I like win10
[02:39] <Switches> lol
[02:39] <Switches> Na Win 10 aint so bad
[02:40] <daftykins> 'tis nice, even though it's setting the tinfoilers off
[02:40] <Switches> MS always sets them off
[02:40] <diddledan> "hi, erm, I'm Dan, and I'm.. *chokes up*.. a windows user"
[02:40] <Switches> pmsl
[02:40] <daftykins> that's 'cause it's only cool to report on them as being evil
[02:40] <daftykins> clickbait++
[02:40] <Switches> Yep
[02:41] <diddledan> I wonder if the FX will fit AM3+ sockets or if a new board is required
[02:41] <Switches> well they said its AM4
[02:41] <diddledan> grr
[02:41] <Switches> All the new chips are AM4
[02:41] <diddledan> :-(
[02:41] <diddledan> sucky
[02:41] <daftykins> i lost track of all the sockets everyone has now
[02:42] <diddledan> probably new south bridge too, which is a good thing
[02:42] <diddledan> the SB950 is ancient now
[02:42] <Switches> Well it is and it aint tbh, AM3+ can't handle DDR4 and that's where a lot of trouble has come from I think
[02:43] <daftykins> yes mate, you're totally a gamer
[02:43] <diddledan> he just watches the demo mode
[02:43] <daftykins> secretly he's a penguin
[02:45] <daftykins> t.. that's a box?
[02:45] <Switches> HP now..
[02:45] <diddledan> it's got a stripe!
[02:45] <daftykins> woo \o/
[02:45] <Switches> Speed Stripe!
[02:46] <diddledan> that's hooge
[02:46] <daftykins> i kinda wanted that to snap
[02:46] <Switches> I want her to drop it..
[02:46] <daftykins> :P
[02:47] <Switches> SNAP!
[02:47] <daftykins> i don't even like shopping on HP's website let alone can i imagine buying one
[02:47] <daftykins> oh please that's just intel's login tech
[02:48] <Switches> Freesync laptop..
[02:48] <daftykins> it's a small audience
[02:48] <diddledan> and another shrubbery
[02:49] <daftykins> looking generic as
[02:50] <Switches> rofl
[02:50] <Switches> "Saving the best for last" Dell digging at HP :p
[02:50] <daftykins> :D
[02:50] <daftykins> and MS
[02:50] <Switches> Yeah
[02:51] <Switches> Hmm R7 445
[02:52] <daftykins> so no Zen o0
[02:53] <daftykins> ooh they're doing an Apple 'one more thing'
[02:53] <Switches> Hmm doesn't look like it..
[02:53] <daftykins> there it is!
[02:53] <Switches> I knew that was coming with Intel saying they aren't focusing on PCs
[02:54] <daftykins> ermagerd
[02:54] <Switches> here it is
[02:54] <daftykins> it's... a big splodge
[02:54] <diddledan> oooh, it's a circle
[02:55] <Switches> ohhh
[02:55] <daftykins> dat AM4
[02:55] <diddledan> 16threads
[02:56] <Switches> Summit ridge
[02:56] <daftykins> hmm Q3
[02:57] <diddledan> xmas
[02:57] <daftykins> that'd be financial Q3 no?
[02:59] <daftykins> hmm so no info for now
[02:59] <Switches> $100>300 :o
[03:00] <daftykins> i'm so pleased they're sorting themselves out, we need AMD to stop sucking big time
[03:00] <daftykins> only 12k watched that, odd
[03:03] <Switches> Well the only bad bit about that was again with the rebadged/rehashed cores for the processor lineup
[03:04] <daftykins> i'm still puzzled over this "51% utilisation" of the 2 x RX 480s when compared to that 1080
[03:06] <mappps> hi;]
[03:06] <Switches> Ashes of the Singularity supports async compute afaik
[03:06] <Switches> That would explain the difference, Nvidia basically ignore it
[03:07] <Switches> heya mappps
[03:07] <daftykins> Switches: to me it almost sounds like they could've taken one card out and run the other full tilt ;D
[03:07] <mappps> ;]
[03:07] <daftykins> mappps: my uncle visited Gib and couldn't get his google mails! how weird
[03:07] <mappps> hmm really
[03:08] <mappps> how long was he here for.and that is odd thouh
[03:08] <mappps> i use gmail
[03:08] <daftykins> just the weekend, well i've got him set up on gapps
[03:08] <daftykins> he reckoned he was on wifi too
[03:09] <mappps> hm oodd
[03:10] <mappps> what did hendo whilst here
[03:10] <daftykins> not a clue
[03:11] <daftykins> first i heard was him saying he couldn't get his email, then said it was fine once back here o0
[03:11] <daftykins> he wa pretty vague really
[03:11] <mappps> hehe
[03:12] <daftykins> it was one of those classic support queries where it's like "can you throw the switch that makes it all work in Gibraltar please?"
[03:12] <mappps> lol
[03:13] <mappps> could just have been shoddy wifi
[03:13] <daftykins> mmm, mayhaps
[03:14] <mappps> plenty of places with crap wifi
[03:14] <mappps> sometimes work doesnt load on some places iwifi
[03:14] <daftykins> ah well, oddly he doesn't seem fussed to chase it much - probably gave himself a proper holiday for once ;) bit of a workaholic type
[03:15] <mappps> where is he from
[03:15] <daftykins> here
[03:15] <mappps> aha
[03:16] <daftykins> reetyo, AMD event is over so time for bed!
[03:17] <Switches> night mate
[03:18] <daftykins> ta-ra folks \o
[03:18] <mappps> night mate
[03:26] <mappps> late no hm
[03:26] <mappps> now
[03:43] <mappps> still up Switches ?
[03:44] <Switches> Yeah mate, just having a ciggy and reading up on a few second hand parts I'm after for my system
[03:45] <mappps> what system
[03:45] <mappps> bit late isnt it;)
[03:45] <Switches> Well depends on what you call late, I don't normally go to be until about 9am or so :p
[03:46] <mappps> oh
[03:46] <mappps> what time do you get up
[03:46] <Switches> Normally in the afternoon, I get around 6>8 hours sleep a day
[03:46] <mappps> i work nights but try to sleep from 7/8am
[03:47] <Switches> To many years doing graveyard shifts
[03:47] <mappps> i like nights, always been a night person
[03:48] <Switches> Same here, but it's kinda made it hard to get a somewhat normal sleeping pattern :p
[03:48] <mappps> hahah yea7
[03:49] <mappps> for me..working nights is ess stress, less people, more relaxed
[03:49] <mappps> much prefer it
[03:49] <mappps> even when i didnt work nights id be uptill 2/3am
[03:49] <Switches> Yep, you can get to chill out
[03:49] <mappps> ja all the busy bodies and managers gone home
[03:49] <mappps> noone bugging you
[03:49] <mappps> watching what everyones upto
[03:50] <Switches> :D yep, people watching is fun sometimes
[03:50] <mappps> not when people watch your screens
[03:50] <mappps> at night its like do your job..go home..end of heh
[03:50] <mappps> no busy bodies checking every little thing
[03:50] <Switches> That's always a good thing
[03:55] <mappps> :D
[03:55] <Switches> I aint really the social type anyways, I'd rather try and have a convo with a wall than talk to people :p
[03:57] <mappps> heh7
[03:59] <mappps> off to sleeep tv on ill fall asleep to it
[04:00] <Switches> :) ok mate, sleep well
[04:00] <mappps> once i get curtains in the longe i might start watching tv there..then can just fal asleep
[04:00] <mappps> but atm only got nets and its sunny here a lot
[04:00] <Switches> :( getting rather light here aswell
[06:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:05] <SuperMatt> g'day
[08:12] <foobarry> bonjour
[08:13] <SuperMatt> Ohayōgozaimasu
[08:13] <diplo> Bonjour mon ami's ( not sure on plural :D )
[08:19] <foobarry> mes amis
[08:21] <davmor2> Morning all you hippies
[08:32] <diplo> I did know that, I do suck at typing french :)
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:57] <popey> yo
[08:59] <brobostigon> :)
[09:03] <TwistedLucidity> Morning
[09:04] <TwistedLucidity> Silly question - can [K]Ubuntu use WiFi across 40Mhz or is it limited to 20Mhz?
[09:05] <TwistedLucidity> Because I have an Intel wireless NIC that only appears to be using one channel, and that could well explain my dreadful WiFi performance.
[09:08] <popey> driver thing innit?
[09:08] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But I've never had to deal with such and issue and am pretty lost.
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> The NIC should be able to do 300Mbps (i.e. multi-channel) but I'm not sure what to fiddle or where.
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> I could, of course, be entirely wrong about everything. I often am.
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> you could be wrong about been wrong... :-)
[09:14] <TwistedLucidity> That has also happened....
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't really give you much of a chance does it... :-)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: you can check the current link with "iw wlan0 link"
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> it shows tx bitrate
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> and MCS in use
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> use http://mcsindex.com/ to determine what it's doing
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> mine shows:
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> 	tx bitrate: 117.0 MBit/s MCS 14
[09:17] <TwistedLucidity> I've been using "iperf" and it's report ~35Mpbs on a supposed 300Mbps link. The router itself show 130Mbps 20Mhz, something dropping to 65Mbps
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> which, by looking at that table, means 2 spatial streams, 64-QAM 3/4, 117mbit
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: 802.11n "300 mbit link" will never give you actual 300 mbit/s
[09:17] <TwistedLucidity> Thanks MartijnVdS, I shall try that at lunch.
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, i know 300Mbps is (basically) false advertising, but only getting 35Mbps is fairly ridiculous
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's a bit low
[09:18] <popey> 	tx bitrate: 65.0 MBit/s MCS 7
[09:18] <popey> :(
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> On 2.4GHz, you're not going to get 40MHz channels though
[09:18] <popey> oh
[09:18]  * popey switches to 5g
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> because once a second AP is detected, the standard dictates that it should only use 20MHz channels
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> This is on 5Mhz and I'm sure I saw a dual channel setting on 2.4
[09:19]  * TwistedLucidity goes to check
[09:19] <popey> 	tx bitrate: 130.0 MBit/s MCS 15
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> and 2.4 supports dual channel.. it's just that you'll have to disconnect all of your neighbours first ;)
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, there's one fool running on channel 5 and when I find them......
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> 1,6,11 are "recommended" channels, as they don't overlap. 5 kills a lot of channels at once ...
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> So, if I understand you, as soon as my router sees any other 2.4Ghz singal, it restricts itself to 20Mhz to be a nice neighbour? Even though I've told it to use 40Mhz?
[09:21]  * popey hugs 13
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Doesn't 13 overlap with 11?
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: As soon as it detects another AP overlappign the 40MHz bit you're using
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> so if you're using 1+6, an AP on 11 somehwere else is fine
[09:22] <TwistedLucidity> MartijnVdS: Gotcha, that makes total sense.
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> 13 and 11 overlap
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#/media/File:2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_(802.11b,g_WLAN).svg
[09:22] <popey> better than having lots on 11
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> Aww crikey...some cretin is on 10 as well
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: wifi tends to handle interference on the same channel better than on "half overlapping" ones
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> Yup
[09:24] <popey> hm
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> If I can identify my errant neighbours, I wonder how I go about persuading them to switch to a sensible channel....
[09:24] <popey> oh, now i check, I'm on 11 anyway
[09:24] <popey> seems i must have reverted back when i re-flashed openwrt
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> OpenWRT FTW!
[09:25] <popey> ya
[09:25] <popey> oh, while we are talking about wifi
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: I have one of these at home: http://routerboard.com/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT -- very shiny :)
[09:26] <popey> i need to setup another access point in my house, which should be a) cheap and b) easy to lock down to block basically everything bar very innocuous sites
[09:26] <popey> so using something like opendns for dns on it
[09:26] <popey> which overrides my own lan dns
[09:26] <popey> i was thinking a tp-link one running openwrt
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> That's possible, but TP-Link had some issues I think? With free firmware being blocked/
[09:27] <popey> it's for half a dozen or so phones to connect to, and be separate from my home network
[09:27] <popey> yeah
[09:27] <popey> i dont mind other manufacturers
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> You can also add a second SSID to the current AP I think
[09:27] <popey> just want something i know i can control well with openwrt
[09:27] <popey> i absolutely do not want to use my current routers
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> Why not just create a new network on the current router? You can assign different DNS as well
[09:27] <popey> no, not doing that
[09:27] <popey> needs to be separate
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> You can totally isolate it
[09:28] <popey> can we look at the requirements?
[09:28] <popey> I very specifically do not want to do that
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> I haven't done OpenWRT stuff for a while.. so I don't know which devices work well these days
[09:28] <popey> yeah, mine are olde
[09:28] <popey> WNDR3700v2
[09:29] <popey> could pick another one up on fleabay I guess :)
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> I don't understand why (guess I don't need to) but yeah, a wee TP-Link jobby should cut it (so long as they permit customer firmware, companies are locking down)
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> I've been using Mikrotik hardware (and their own Linux-based software) lately, and it's great to work with
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> but that breaks the "openwrt" requirement
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> Oddly enough, I was going to suggest that.
[09:30] <popey> TwistedLucidity: i need to be able to pick it all up and move it, i can't pick up my own router and move it without losing my own internet
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> The CLI is nice, GUI tool needs WINE though.
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Bingo, you never said that!
[09:30] <popey> i didnt have to
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> Makes sense now
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: the web based GUI works fine cross-platform
[09:31] <popey> ooh
[09:31] <popey> wndr3700 is 20 quid on fleabay
[09:31] <popey> that might be the least worst option
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> nice & cheeep
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, last ones I used had no web, just CLI or some Windows thingy-ma-job
[09:31] <popey> as I know i can make those work
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Say Something Nice Day! 😃  ❤
[09:31] <popey> wow, tons of them on there
[09:32] <popey> hel-lo, what's this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7dBi-Antenna-Mod-Kit-for-Netgear-WNDR3700-v-2-N600-WNDR3400-WNDR3300-v-2-/140829834472?hash=item20ca1cbce8:g:BysAAMXQhuVRMU36
[09:32] <popey> will that give better range to my current access points?
[09:32] <popey> or is it snake oil?
[09:34] <TwistedLucidity> Some routers have removable antennas and using higher spec ones is totally a thing. Whether or not *those ones* are snake oil, I can't say
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> This is exactly what I'm using: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Buffalo-AirStation-Nfiniti-300-Mbps-Gigabit-Wireless-N-Router-WZR-HP-G300NH2-/131833391885?hash=item1eb1e1eb0d:g:FWMAAOSw0gdXTaDn
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> And no it's not, wrong blasted link
[09:37] <TwistedLucidity> It's a WZR-HP-AG300H, can't see any for sale at a sensible price on fleabay
[09:41] <ne2k> I would like to try desktop virtualization, i.e. a beefy server running VMs and/or containers with desktops for multiple users connecting using thin clients (possibly raspberry pis) I normally use Promox as the KVM/VZ host so would like to continue doing so. for Windows guests the obvious choice is RDP, but for a Linux desktop running in a VM, what would be the best remote viewer solution for this? vnc4server X server? spice into prox
[09:41] <ne2k> mox using the virtual display? something else?
[09:51] <popey> ne2k: x2go seems popular and performant
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> Can Linux use the latest version of RDP (which I think is 6)? I seem to recall we were limited to version 5 or something.
[09:53] <ne2k> popey, do you run an X server as well as the X2Go server? would it be a headless one?
[09:54] <popey> i have never run it
[09:54] <popey> but i hear others talk about it a lot
[09:55] <ne2k> Linux Terminal Server Project sounds like it's the sort of thing I want, but it seems rather stagnant as a project
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> NoMachine?
[09:56] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, ooh, NoMachine Terminal Server, that looks good
[09:56] <ne2k> can the client run on a RPi?
[09:57] <ne2k> hmm, they want lots of money for it
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> There's a free version
[09:59] <MooDoo> anyone played with cloudready ?
[10:03] <ne2k> freenx
[10:05] <foobarry> MooDoo: yes
[10:06] <foobarry> didn't find it as lightweight as a light linux OS
[10:07] <ne2k> I'm looking at the Cloudready web page. I've read all the text on the page and I still have absolutely no idea what it actually /is/
[10:07] <foobarry> chromebookify your non chromebook laptop
[10:10] <davmor2> diplo: apparently it's okay, the French are on strike so nobody noticed
[10:10] <ne2k> it seems freenx /is/ nomachine
[10:10] <foobarry> i've tried all the remote desktops
[10:11] <foobarry> x2go is fast, x11rdp lets you use terminal services client (handy for when remote users aren't people under your control)
[10:11] <foobarry> spice desktop is potentially interesting for desktop virtualisation
[10:12] <foobarry> vmware horizon is the corporate solution for windows VM desktops
[10:18] <ne2k> foobarry, is there a headless x server that supports rdp (like vnc4server for vnc), rather than x11rdp which I presume connects to an existing "headful" x server?
[10:19] <ne2k> there's xrdp, but the documentation is SO BAD I can't work out what it is
[10:20] <foobarry> x2go will allow a new session or mirror of your existing one
[10:21] <ne2k> foobarry, does the client work on arm?
[10:21] <foobarry> the main issue i had with x2go is keyboard mappings for mac clients
[10:22] <foobarry> ARM architecture: for Debian squeeze and wheezy on ARM-based (Debian/armel) devices we provide client-side packages (x2goclient, pyhoca-gui, pyhoca-cli plus dependencies)
[10:22] <foobarry> prbably yes
[10:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: got covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQHJuSZTjkE
[10:27] <ne2k> so I dare say you could run x2goserver in a container on Proxmox
[10:35] <ne2k> I'm wondering if it's possible to have a two-monitor-wide virtual desktop running in a VM with two single-monitor thin clients connected to each half of it. RPi has only one output, but is cheap so could have one per monitor
[10:40] <ne2k> popey, from what I've seen so far, x2go looks perfect
[10:45] <foobarry> x2go also allows detached apps to run
[10:45] <foobarry> e.g. just display a terminal window from the remote server on your display
[10:46] <foobarry> then run gedit, and it appears too seamlessly
[10:47] <ne2k> foobarry, cool. I'm going for desktop virtualization with a thin client so not for my use case, but interesting nonetheless
[10:48] <ne2k> I love the fact that x2goclient supports RDP as well as its own protocol, which means you can run it on a thin client and people can connect to linux or windows machines without havni to have two viewers on the thin client
[10:56] <popey> ne2k: yay
[11:47] <ne2k> do you think I'd be best to have a single VM with lots of people connecting to it and running their desktops, or separate containers or VMs for each user?
[11:51] <ne2k> if I'm going to set up a single VM to be a host for lots of users to connect to, should I install the desktop iso, or the server one and add stuff to it?
[11:56] <ne2k> I'm erring on the side of the desktop one, as it will have more of teh stuff suited to desktops. but I would want to disable the local x server and greeter, as they're not needed
[12:11] <foobarry> yes do desktop
[13:09] <ne2k> foobarry, trying out the new 16.04 desktop in a VM
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> ne2k - how many cores does your host have, how many you assigning to the VM?
[13:11] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, I'm only testing at the moment, so I've assigned four cores in Proxmox. the host has what is seen as twelve, but it's actually six cores, twelve threads, afaik
[13:11] <TwistedLucidity> Cool, you can assign as many as you like; but always leave one for the host
[13:12] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, there's other VMs on this host atm so I didn't want to go overkill
[13:12] <TwistedLucidity> As to one desktop vs multi-VMS; all depends on exactly what they'll be doing
[13:13] <TwistedLucidity> Hrm...how hard is it to do multi-seat on a GNU/Linux desktop? (I've never actually tried, hence my question)
[13:13] <ne2k> what's the proper ubuntuish way to disable X at startup?
[13:14] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, I've read the ubuntu article and it sounds rather involved, but not head-bangingly so, I don't think so
[13:14] <ne2k> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" plus sudo systemctl enable multi-user.target --force; sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target  ?
[13:15] <TwistedLucidity> That's the great thing about a VM, you can take a snapshot just before you royally mess everything up! :-)
[13:16] <ne2k> lol
[13:20] <ne2k> hmmm. setting GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" alone doesn't work
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[13:23] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hello
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hi you know abou touch OTA 11 :D ?
[13:24] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: I do
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, what are the libertine changes?
[13:26] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: how do you mean?
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, is it easier to install own apps into libertine?  or still got to hack purtine for example?
[13:28] <davmor2> I've not tried I didn't land the last libertine, but my understanding is that the code to install apps is in place but you need a scope from the store which will land for ota11 so no idea if it is there or not right now, I think it is just called legacy apps scope or something like that
[13:29] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: no idea how hard or easy it is once you have those though
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, yeah a scope,  I reemmber they were saying about something before.  not sure if that's avaialble from the standard store for ota 11 hmm
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess I should upgrade and look around
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> my understanding was that the purtine hack was only a tempory thing before the updates came if wanted to install other programs
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the omgubuntu ubuntu link I just read to do with ota 11 didn't say much about libertine so
[13:31] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it's not released yet I don't think not soon though I think
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it is released according to omg ubuntu
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> quite a recent blog post
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may take a day or two to show the upgrade being availalbe it seems to say as well though
[13:32] <ne2k> I should have installed Ubuntu-MATE instead, as Unity doesn't play nicely with x2go
[13:32] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah but they say it is released when it isn't on the desktop releases too :D
[13:32] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it will be pushed today though
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I Was thinking the upgrade would be on like Thursday or something :d
[13:37] <ne2k> hmmm, I've installed x2goserver and x2goserver-session and x2gomatebindings and mate-desktop-session but I can't get it to work. not much in the way of helpful error messages. tryign to find a log file
[13:45] <foobarry> i use lxde
[13:45] <foobarry> with x2go
[13:45] <ne2k> I was hoping to have something that felt like using native Ubuntu desktop. I'm a bit disappointed it doesn't work with Unity
[13:46] <ne2k> but I suppose it's not that surprising
[13:46] <ne2k> even MATE isn't working properly.
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> and that just beforet he summer sale ;)
[14:51] <popey> same
[14:57] <diddledan> eenteresting: https://github.com/eliangcs/http-prompt
[15:56] <directhex> progress! it now shows my accounts as linked, and says i own no games!
[16:06] <diddledan> yup, ditto
[16:13] <phablet>
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD>
[17:12] <Switches> I need more coffee.. and who gave alan_g Explosive Ordanance?!
[17:24] <daftykins> it could be "end of days"
[17:25] <daftykins> or "eating orange duck" ?
[18:03] <DJones> daftykins: "End of days".....Please don't.....I've not finished prepping for that yet
[18:03] <daftykins> when the horesemen cometh?
[18:04] <DJones> Yep, I still need my backpack nuke to err on the side of caution
[18:04] <DJones> Sounds like every book I read
[20:16] <phablet>
[20:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> abc
[20:43] <daftykins> -_-
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :)
[20:44] <daftykins> #ubuntu might be a safe bet when you're unsure if you're present or not
[20:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm?
[20:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, did you get to annoyed at #ubuntu not seen you there recently :d
[20:45] <daftykins> i am banned
[20:46] <daftykins> wow, Teamviewer has gotten hacked so bad some people are connecting into others PCs and raiding their online accounts :|
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, you are banned from #ubuntu what why?  and what's this about team viewer ?
[20:47] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/01/teamviewer_mass_breach_report/
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, by the way you might be able to help me with an idea for a speech at a public speaking group since you do windows rubbish a lot it seems
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and deal with non technicals as a result I guess
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, I want to do one about the Microsoft scam call or to do with that
[20:48] <daftykins> 'rubbish' eh
[20:49] <daftykins> not getting any help from me then
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, no I think  you misunderstood me
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, I meant doing stuff with Windows is a bit sucky I guess, but you get paid for it so not to bad :)
[20:49] <daftykins> too late, you burnt that bridge
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, you flipped out in #ubuntu and got banned I guess
[20:51] <daftykins> nope, but i'm not willing to discuss it
[20:51] <daftykins> at least, not with folks i don't know
[21:02] <daftykins> SebthreeBQM10HD: i don't really find your approach to be a pleasant one
[21:32] <diddledan> ello
[21:33] <daftykins> o/
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan ello
[23:32] <diddledan> my thumb hurts
[23:32] <diddledan> bloomin fan-headers
[23:33] <daftykins> what've you been up to? :>
[23:33] <diddledan> I hurt it last night
[23:33] <daftykins> your fan header?
[23:33] <diddledan> my thumb was a careless idiot
[23:33] <diddledan> I was surgerising my pc while waiting for the amd stream
[23:34] <diddledan> and the naughty fan header jumped-up and bit my thumb
[23:34] <daftykins> oof!
[23:35] <diddledan> nice slice down one side
[23:36] <diddledan> only about 1.5cm tho
[23:36] <daftykins> 'tis but a scratch
[23:37] <daftykins> i've got surface #3 now in the post, so setting it up for the client again
[23:37] <diddledan> is it the same one you've been struggling with returned or have they replaced it?
[23:37] <daftykins> this is genuinely #3 now
[23:37] <daftykins> #2 got stood on :D
[23:37] <diddledan> wow
[23:38] <daftykins> they've all still got the sleep issues, totally flawed product