[20:45] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm looking forward to doing some actual real work next week
[20:46] <bhearsum> i know exactly how you feel
[20:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I have one regression on precise, but it was a regression at release time I think, I'll get you a real bug next week for it
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg, thanks
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, any plans for the weekend?
[20:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: and thanks for getting the release builds going
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome :)
[20:50] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: trout fishing tomorrow, Canada-USA football game on sunday!
[20:50] <bhearsum> how about you?
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, i was hoping to tidy our garden this weekend, but not sure the weather will hold out
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> but, i'll be mostly trying to avoid the queens diamond jubilee celebrations ;)
[20:51] <bhearsum> hehe
[20:51] <bhearsum> that's invaded us, too
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems to have taken over the entire country here
[20:53] <bhearsum> speaking of the queen.....
[20:55] <bhearsum> http://bookfaked.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/wvrde.jpg
[20:55] <bhearsum> took awhile to find it :P
[20:55] <chrisccoulson> hah!
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> hopefully she's firing that at our PM ;)
[20:56] <bhearsum> haha
[20:56] <bhearsum> he's retiring soon, no?
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> no, unfortunately
[20:56] <bhearsum> oh, i thought i saw something about an early election
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> oh, i think people joke about it. and there's a chance that his party might replace him in any case
[20:57] <bhearsum> ah
[20:57] <bhearsum> i wish our PM would get replaced too =)
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> heh
[20:57] <bhearsum> actually, the party just needs to be out of office altogether
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> i think a lot of people feel like that here. but there isn't really a credible alternative
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> the whole political system is broken ;)
[20:59] <bhearsum> yeah
[20:59]  * bhearsum doesn't like first-past-the-post voting nor political parties in general
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me neither
[21:01] <bhearsum> time to head home, have a good weekend!


[02:33] <RobLoach> FinalShroom81: Can't help you if you leave!
[02:34] <RobLoach> If you find the logs, try disabling the GPU compositor in MATE Tweak.
[03:28] <busmaster> I think I came across a bug,
[03:29] <busmaster> The task switching with Alt+Tab doesn't consider minimized tasks when using Compiz Window Manager
[04:54] <mahendra> i have problems after instal nvidia
[10:56] <donatella> what happened to yuyo theme? Why is it disappeared in silence?
[12:07] <jonah> is there any software i can use to record video from usb webcam
[12:09] <ivan_> Hola
[12:15] <bromarc> hello there, does anyone else have the expression that ubuntu mate gets their hdd quite hot? not like lava hot, but still... or is it just me?
[12:16] <bromarc> whew, weird phrasing... but it's due to me wondering if i could fry some eggs on my laptop case
[12:16] <bromarc> especially while browsing the web
[12:17] <Akuli> inxi -s tells you how warm your cpu is
[12:17] <bromarc> need to install sensors, gimme a sec
[12:17] <Akuli> most of the time it should be below 50°C, if yours is not your laptop is probably dusty inside
[12:19] <bromarc> as say: it never works when someone's watching... temp is at 45 atm :D
[12:21] <Akuli> so not quite hot enough for eggs :)
[12:21] <bromarc> i have to re-think dinner then :D
[12:22] <bromarc> thanks for the tip, Akuli
[13:02] <dudeman> morning folks
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[13:36] <dudeman> jake is a smart man
[13:44] <donatella> what happened to yuyo theme? Why is it disappeared in silence?
[14:09] <ouroumov> donatella, maybe you can ask on the forums if you want an answer
[15:12] <tuffkirby> Anyone know a File locker or something. Folder Encrytion?
[16:21] <bro_marc> guys, quick question: does the intel-microcode driver cause performance issues? after i disabled it, the cpu does not heat up as badly as it did when enabled...
[16:25] <ouroumov_> bro_marc, usually no
[16:26] <bro_marc> weird :D
[16:28] <bro_marc> well, for whatever reason the temp dropped around 10°c
[18:15] <olscumpy> I disabled "ubuntu modifications" which was installed in firefox
[18:16] <olscumpy> but whenever I do a ddg search, "t=canonical" is added to my search string, which annoys me because I didn't ask for that
[18:16] <olscumpy> for instance https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+is+%5E+in+regex&t=canonical&ia=web
[18:16] <olscumpy> does anyone know how to stop that?
[18:35] <rahtgaz> folks have to be more patient on IRC. The answer to his question is you don't because unfortunately the referrer is being now added by duckduckgo. Along with their partnership with Yahoo, it is the other reason why I no longer trust DDG for web searching.
[18:36] <rahtgaz> good. you came back online
[18:37] <rahtgaz> I suggest you use SearX. I can no longer recommend DDG. Use the www.searx.me node. It's an excellent search engine with lots of preferences and truly respects your privacy
[18:38] <rahtgaz> It's aggregates results from various search engines. It's what DDG used to be, but better because you have plenty of additional options that DDG doesn't have or only has due to their partnership with Yahoo
[18:39] <rahtgaz> It's also open source
[18:39] <rahtgaz> You can just use any of the available nodes (searx.me being the most popular) or create your own node
[22:02] <skywalker> anyone here got a mac?
[22:02] <skywalker> with mate on it
[22:02] <ouroumov_> not me


 @ahoneybun - Need an extra Type C Cable?
 I just ordered 2 but I'll take another one
 I just got a few in the mail
 Niceee
 @KMyers I can come by later today if that's ok
 Thats fine
 Cool
 Damn
 I really don't understand this.   I think Comcast is cheating.
 I think this must be manipulated numbers on speed test
 It is possible
 Would not put it past them
 Maybe they proxy the data or something.
 I just don't understand how my speed test can be faster over mobile than it is on my wifi


[02:00] <facundobatista> Sueños de mar, espuma en tu piel, sal en tus labios
[10:57] <b1ackcr0w> help!
[11:07] <aquarius> b1ackcr0w, hey
[11:13] <b1ackcr0w> hi
[11:20] <aquarius> b1ackcr0w, what's the problem?
[11:36] <b1ackcr0w> sorry aq, trying to earn living while hacking can be a pain
[11:37] <b1ackcr0w> basically, I'm trying to keep tomboy synced on all my machines, using ubuntu-one
[11:38] <b1ackcr0w> I've made a folder in the ubuntu-one folder the place to sync my files
[11:38] <aquarius> b1ackcr0w, really? we've been looking at that.
[11:38] <b1ackcr0w> but tomboy just play
[11:38] <aquarius> b1ackcr0w, tomboy's not set up to have something other than it change its files, so if a whatever.note file changes Tomboy won't notice until you quit and restart it.
[11:39] <b1ackcr0w> ah, I'm talking at all
[11:39] <aquarius> we've been working with the tomboy sync API, and looking at having tomboy save data into desktop CouchDB, to handle this issue
[11:40] <b1ackcr0w> i take it there's no way around it using Webdav?
[11:41] <aquarius> Not at the moment. The issue isn't really with how you handle the files, it's that Tomboy doesn't monitor files for changes (because it expects that it's the only thing that will be changing them :))
[11:41] <b1ackcr0w> when I tell tomboy the local sync folder, it tries to sync but fails, but doesn't list any reasons why it's failed :(
[11:41] <aquarius> ah, I haven't looked at local sync at all, so I don't know anything about it
[11:42] <aquarius> try running it as tomboy --debug from the command line; that might give you some more info?
[11:45] <b1ackcr0w> how do you find a process id from the command line again
[11:45] <b1ackcr0w> tomboy is running in background :(
[11:45] <aquarius> ah, you'll need to re-start tomboy
[11:46] <aquarius> so quit it and re-run it from a terminal as "tomboy --debug", and then try the local sync, and there should be some output in the terminal
[11:46] <b1ackcr0w> yeah, I when i do that, it's already running
[11:46] <aquarius> erm? really?
[11:46] <b1ackcr0w> so i wanted to kill the process
[11:46] <aquarius> ok: ps axu | grep tomboy
[11:46] <aquarius> and the number in the second column is the process ID
[11:47] <aquarius> the last column is the process itself, which should be "mono /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe"
[11:49] <aquarius> or Administration > System Monitor and then look in the Processes tab, if you prefer
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w> SyncThread using SyncServiceAddin: Local Folder
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w> [DEBUG]: 8
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w> [DEBUG]: Sync: GetNoteUpdatesSince rev -1
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w> [DEBUG]: GetNoteUpdatesSince xpath returned 22 nodes
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w> [ERROR]: Synchronization failed with the following exception: /home/alistair/Ubuntu One/My Files/tomboy/0/1/86312646-d95b-4ea3-b781-839cb94860e0.note does not exist
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w>   at System.IO.File.Copy (System.String sourceFileName, System.String destFileName, Boolean overwrite) [0x00000]
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w>   at Tomboy.Sync.FileSystemSyncServer.GetNoteUpdatesSince (Int32 revision) [0x00000]
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w>   at Tomboy.Sync.SyncManager.SynchronizationThread () [0x00000]
[11:50] <b1ackcr0w> (tomboy:7235): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed
[13:46] <jblount> Good morning everyone!
[13:53] <aquarius> hey jblount
[13:53] <aquarius> urbanape, couple of semi-thorny bugs filed against bindwood by kenvandine :)
[13:53] <urbanape> k, I'll take a look.
[13:54] <kenvandine> aquarius, but great features :)
[13:54] <urbanape> I've been wrestling with the new files ui for a while, might be nice to make a switch today.
[14:50] <jblount> Was the syncdaemon crashy mc crashy pants all weekend for anyone else?
[14:52] <dobey> jblount: it's because you neglected it
[14:52] <jblount> heh
[14:52] <dobey> jblount: i haven't been seeing a crapload of new bugs against the package in my mailbox
[14:53] <urbanape> speaking of neglect. I forgot I was Face on Saturday as well. During my son's first birthday party. Hope nothing went boom.
[14:53] <dobey> urbanape: weekends don't count
[14:54] <dobey> urbanape: if it's a weekend/holiday, you don't have to do anything for it
[14:54] <urbanape> oh, well, good. In that case, I just forgot to write up my Friday Face's report.
[14:55] <jblount> urbanape: Congratulations your sons birthday! Keeping another human being alive for 12 months seems like a huge accomplishment to me.
[14:55] <urbanape> they're pretty resilient these days. It's a lot less effort than you might think.
[14:56] <urbanape> but thanks! we had fun.
[14:56] <urbanape> I've just about (finally!) got the sharing functionality to work again.
[14:57] <jblount> urbanape: You are an evil genious. Seems like that is the last step before dropping the big lever, am I right?
[14:57] <urbanape> I don't think so, exactly.
[14:57] <urbanape> That's the last step before we've got the basic functionality replicated.
[14:58] <urbanape> I think there are still a lot of little uglies about it (though I haven't kept up with what you've been working on, so maybe it's all better now.
[14:58] <urbanape> just pulled a recent trunk this morning, but haven't yet merged it to my branch.
[14:58] <jblount> urbanape: I thought we were going to make sure you could do all the things you could do in the old ui, then drop lever, then itterate like crazy.
[14:59] <jblount> Ah, I do have a lot of recent changes. I'm sitting on a branch now to take care of even more of the wonkiness.
[14:59] <urbanape> cool.  Wrestled with sharing UI. Nearly done.
[15:03] <urbanape> TODO: Finish it, tackle some bindwood bugs for change of pace.
[15:03] <urbanape> BLOCK: Nada
[15:03] <urbanape> vds, if you please
[15:03] <vds> DONE: code review, pair with teknico on sync options branch, investigated test failing on teknico's branch, discussed with mark about bugs and user stories, started a branch to create a snapshot after the first contact sync
[15:03] <vds> TODO: finish and land this branch quickly
[15:03] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:03] <vds> aquarius: please... :)
[15:03] <aquarius> ⤘ DONE: working on desktopcouch new design doc installation procedures; helped a chap doing tomboy local sync on #ubuntuone
[15:03] <aquarius> ⤘ TODO: talk to #tomboy about piston oauth; learn about process groups; branch to do desktopcouch startup
[15:03] <aquarius> ⤘ BLOCKED: none
[15:03] <aquarius> CardinalFang: rock out your own self
[15:04] <CardinalFang> DONE: squished bug 401786, temp views
[15:04] <CardinalFang> TODO: working on 405612, failing tests.  more make paste+spawning work in same tree
[15:04] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:04] <CardinalFang> jblount: Dig it?
[15:04] <jblount> CardinalFang: I can
[15:04] <jblount> DONE: Had a weird day working on Saturday, but got a lot of little ui stuff done for the new files ui
[15:04] <jblount> TODO: Land css branch, try to determine what exactly I need to finish up before we can launch /files/new
[15:04] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:04] <jblount> dobey: rocknroll
[15:04] <dobey> ☭ DONE: Reviews, Added ellipse to Nautilus share menu item, Changed "Read Only" to "Allow Modification" on web sharing ui
[15:04] <dobey> ☭ TODO: Lots of UI hacking, Tarmac AMI, Update upstream OAuth patch (missed one part of 1.0a)
[15:04] <dobey> ☭ BLCK: 1.0a on server side (pending oauth.py upstream 1.0a patch approval)
[15:04] <jblount> Anyone missing?
[15:04] <aquarius> dammit, a hammer and sickle? that's way cooler than my RIGHTWARDS TWO-HEADED ARROW WITH TAIL WITH DOUBLE VERTICAL STROKE. I didn't know that was in unicode.
[15:05] <jblount> MEETING ENDS
[15:05] <aquarius> cheers jblount
[15:05] <dobey> haha
[15:05] <aquarius> good one on the temp views stuff, CardinalFang
[15:05] <CardinalFang> Booyah!
[15:06] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, does that remove your last blocker to release?
[15:06] <dobey> aquarius: btw, clarkson beatbox was hilarious!
[15:06] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, we released it :)
[15:07] <CardinalFang> Ah!
[15:07] <kenvandine> passed revu and has been uploaded to universe :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> not built yet there... but happening :)
[15:07] <CardinalFang> Sweet.  Danke!
[15:07] <kenvandine> np :)
[15:08] <aquarius> dobey, did make me chuckle,that
[15:10] <dobey> now i just hope i get a call soon saying that my offer on this house has been accepted
[15:11] <jblount> dobey: I noticed you talking about that, is the house nearby to where you live now?
[15:11] <dobey> yeah, it's a couple miles closer to the river
[15:11] <jblount> Nice, good luck!
[15:13] <aquarius> kenvandine, hey
[15:48] <urbanape> okay, got the sharing UI working-ish. Need to build it and stash, rather than rebuild on click, as it keeps getting added to, and that ain't right.
[15:52] <jblount> Nice, some of the other modal dialog things are doing similar (like when I use the upload, then create a new folder, then upload again, I see a "create folder" button in that dialog. I'm going to try to recreate these and get bugs reported this afternoon.
[15:52] <jblount> Also, I never remeber to close parens. I should just stop using them.
[15:53] <urbanape> yup, I'm getting a bit better mental model of how we should store these things and organize the DOM bits.
[15:57] <jblount> Unrelated: I think I'm in love with Chrome. It feels like Safari did in OS X.
[16:08] <CardinalFang> jblount, that doesn't sound like praise to me, but just because I'm curious, what do you install?
[16:15] <jblount> CardinalFang: I have the "preview debs" from this page, but there are dailies as well: https://edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser
[16:19] <CardinalFang> Holy sh*t, that's a the bestest browser evar!@!#
[16:19] <jblount> heh
[16:22] <CardinalFang> Oh wait, the package is not "chromium".  That's not a browser at all.
[16:22] <CardinalFang> The music is badass, though.
[16:25] <CardinalFang> $ apt-cache search chromium
[16:25] <CardinalFang> chromium - fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter
[16:27] <jblount> CardinalFang: Heh, I've installed that before. Apparently they are out of names at the idea store.
[16:27] <tcole> or in the periodic table
[16:27] <dobey> the problem with chromium is that it's still a web browser
[16:28]  * CardinalFang calls dibs on 'Copernicium'.
[16:28] <dobey> CardinalFang: the funny thing is that the browser description and the game description, sound a lot alike
[16:28] <jblount> dobey: Your hatred for the the web is always amusing.
[16:29] <dobey> jblount: it's not hatred. i've just come to terms with its death already
[16:29] <jblount> dobey: I would estimate that you are approximately 10 years ahead of the rest of civilization. Possibly more.
[16:30] <dobey> jblount: could be. i was talking about the integration of the desktop and on-line resources over 11 years ago
[16:31] <jblount> dobey: That hyphen in "online" reveals the age of your intenet soul.
[16:32] <dobey> and the failing education system of today
[20:17] <BUGabundo> hey


[06:22] <qwebirc83740> Good morning mythies. Can anyone give me a link or explain how i disable the suspend password in Xfce?


[00:00] <nesoi> cool, thanks EriC^^, I'll check it out
[00:00] <tomreyn> I assume /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz may not actually exist on AMIs, though
[00:00] <nesoi> tomaw:  I'm concerned with stuff I installed though
[00:01] <tomreyn> this file is to get a baseline which you then made changes on
[00:01] <tomreyn> it's part of the command EriC^^ posted above
[00:01] <nesoi> tomreyn I mean
[00:02] <nesoi> right
[00:02] <nesoi> that file doesn't exist
[00:02] <alch3mist> hey all, recently upgraded to 22.04, however now if I have my display resolution set at 4k (2160P) or 1440p, I get random black screens where the screen seems to go out for few seconds and then comes back and sometimes it stutters and then goes out. on 2160p resolution it happens more often and on 1440p less so. if I set it to 1080p, then it basically goes away. I have a NUC7i5BNK with 8gb of ram, and per specs sheet, it should sup
[00:02] <alch3mist> k with one monitor connected (my current set up) or 1440p if 2 monitors are connected
[00:03] <EriC^^> nesoi: tomreyn maybe he can use some manifest file from ubuntu's website?
[00:03] <nesoi> is there any reason not to upgrade to 22.04 vs 20.04 or 18.04?
[00:04] <oerheks> we officially wait for 22.04.1 as releasepoint
[00:04] <oerheks> 20.04 certainly can be considered stable
[00:05] <tomreyn> EriC^^: maybe http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/ubuntu-16.04.7-server-amd64.manifest - that's if its amd64 (there is also i386)
[00:05] <nesoi> well interestingly, that upgrade finished but does not seem to have kept my installed software somehow
[00:06] <nesoi> it looks like it deleted it as "obsolete packages"
[00:06] <nesoi> which kind of makes the entire point of the process moot
[00:07] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/2389/how-to-list-manually-installed-packages#answers says "Other possibilities *don't work as well*: - Using the ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.manifest file (here for Ubuntu 14.04) instead of /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz. More packages are shown as manually installed even though they are not."
[00:08] <EriC^^> nesoi: comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(wget -qO- http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/ubuntu-16.04.7-server-amd64.manifest | cut -f1 | sort -u)
[00:08] <nesoi> thanks EriC^^
[00:09] <oerheks> so, you have obsolete packages that are likely without support, or worse..
[00:09] <nesoi> what do you(all) think about upgrade removing my software?
[00:09] <nesoi> they aren't
[00:09] <oerheks> make a good plan, what do you do with a vm?
[00:10] <nesoi> EriC^^:  that one liner works, but it shows a large number of packages I didn't install
[00:10] <EriC^^> nesoi: i guess you could parse /var/log/apt/history.*
[00:11] <tomreyn> nesoi: what does this print?   dpkg --print-architecture
[00:11] <nesoi> amd64
[00:12] <tomreyn> well that at least ;)
[00:12] <tomreyn> okay then i have no better suggestions
[00:12] <alch3mist> hey all, recently upgraded to 22.04, however now if I have my display resolution set at 4k (2160P) or 1440p, I get random black screens where the screen seems to go out for few seconds and then comes back and sometimes it stutters and then goes out. on 2160p resolution it happens more often and on 1440p less so. if I set it to 1080p, then it basically goes away. I have a NUC7i5BNK with 8gb of ram, and per specs sheet, it should sup
[00:12] <alch3mist> k with one monitor connected (my current set up) or 1440p if 2 monitors are connected
[00:12] <alch3mist> any suggestions is appreciated
[00:13] <tomreyn> nesoi: have you considered moving to containers, or at least a deployment solution such as ansible? how are you using this server?
[00:13] <tomreyn> is it just one of many, is it part of a larger architecture?
[00:13] <tomreyn> is this a business, a hobby project?
[00:14] <nesoi> tomreyn:  I haven't really considered it, but not sure how that would help
[00:14] <nesoi> containers seem problematic for various reasons
[00:16] <nesoi> it's a server for doing some research
[00:17] <tomreyn> nesoi: is there data on there that you cannot afford to loose? or just configurations?
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> alch3mist: What graphics do you have?
[00:18] <nesoi> no graphics
[00:18] <nesoi> oh sorry
[00:18] <nesoi> notme
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> alch3mist: Open a terminal and do "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link it spits out, that will let me see details about your hardware.
[00:18] <nesoi> no data, it's just that I don't have a record of what all was installed, so it would be nice to not have to reinstall everything
[00:18] <nesoi> data is on another volume
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: apt list --installed
[00:18] <nesoi> or volumes
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Also "snap list"
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: That will tell you everything installed on your system (so long as you installed it through apt or snap).
[00:20] <EriC^^> nesoi: zgrep -h "Commandline: apt-get install" -A2 /var/log/apt/history.log.* | grep -Ev "Requested-By|Commandline|End-Date" | sed -e 's/^Install: //' -e 's/^Reinstall: //' -e 's/([^()]*)//g' -e 's/ , /\n/g' -e '/^--$/d'
[00:21] <nesoi> arraybolt3[m]:  thanks and that is right, although a bunch of that was not installed by me
[00:21] <tomreyn> nesoi: as tempting as upgrading my seem, it really is going to both involve manually updating a lot of configurations, and you may still end up with failing services, and, for sure, an unclean installation with leftover files in /etc and possibly elsewhere.
[00:21] <EriC^^> wait that cant be right 1 sec
[00:22] <arraybolt3[m]> EriC^^: LOL I can't hardly tell what it does, so you're doing better than me!
[00:22] <tomreyn> nesoi: so i'd just get the list of manually installed software, clean it up manually, backup data and /etc and install a fresh 22.04 AMI, setting up services again (probably all manually if it's a single system).
[00:22] <EriC^^> arraybolt3[m]: it's messy i just wrote it but i think apt also lists the dependencies in the Install: line
[00:23] <nesoi> EriC^^:  it seems to be listing the dependencies
[00:24] <EriC^^> i think ill just use the command line and get the packages from there
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Strongly agreeing with tomreyn here, upgrading from one release to another gives you an awfully high chance of messing up everything in various interesting ways. I don't ever upgrade my systems, clean installs only.
[00:24] <tomreyn> nesoi: lsof -i   will list services listening and connecting elsewhere, but your security group should also hint on that.
[00:24] <nesoi> I don't have any new services installed
[00:29] <nesoi> EriC^^:  does that one-liner work? :)
[00:30] <EriC^^> nesoi: i think this should do it, zgrep -Eh "Commandline: apt-get install|Commandline: apt install" /var/log/apt/history.log.* | cut -d" " -f4- | sed -e 's/^--reinstall //'
[00:32] <EriC^^> it assumes though that apt was used with just --reinstall maybe, so it could pick up other arguments in the list, but i think it should get you close to the list enough, also i think it wont show packages you installed via software center
[00:33] <nesoi> right, it's missing most stuff because I didn't use apt :(
[00:33] <nesoi> but it did find some I would have forgotten
[00:34] <EriC^^> nesoi: if you show something you installed using software center in that history file i can modify it to look for those instead
[00:34] <EriC^^> zgrep some-program-you-installed /var/log/apt/history.log.*
[00:34] <nesoi> I actually don't even know what software center is
[00:35] <EriC^^> how did you install the software?
[00:35] <nesoi> probably downloading it
[00:35] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Appimages? Or dreaded "sudo make install"? Or...?
[00:36] <nesoi> make install etc
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Check your .bash_history, that may be your best bet.
[00:37] <EriC^^> yeah that's a tough one :D
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Also, start using "sudo checkinstall" rather than "sudo make install", that will save you from b0rking your VM and may save you from problems similar to this in the future.
[00:37] <EriC^^> also see your /root/.bash_history in case
[00:38] <arraybolt3[m]> ^^
[00:39] <EriC^^> if you wanted to get granular, or desperate, you could parse /var/log/auth.log for sudo make install, and look at what the PWD was to maybe get an idea of the program you were installing
[00:39] <EriC^^> that's like desperation level 100 though
[00:40] <nesoi> for whatever reason my .bash_history doesn't go back very far
[00:41] <nesoi> so upgrades just don't work well it seems?
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Not particularly, but especially not with "make install"'d software in the system - your upgrade may shred the whole thing, since apt has no way of knowing what you installed or where it put stuff when you use make install.
[00:42] <nesoi> I don't know why it deleted all my old software rather than letting me upgrade it
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: Checkinstall does about the same thing as "make install", but it packages the software you're installing into an apt package, allowing you to uninstall it safely and find what you're looking for in the future.
[00:42] <nesoi> it deleted stuff that doesn't seem to have been installed with apt-get
[00:43] <nesoi> like /usr/bin/R
[00:43] <nesoi> gone
[00:43] <nesoi> with your one-liner EriC^^ R was not installed with apt-get
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: "make install" doesn't tell apt anything about what it's doing, so apt has no way of knowing how to work around it. So apt may do things that should be safe but actually shred your system, possibly including deleting files that get in its way.
[00:43] <nesoi> yet upgrade deleted it
[00:44] <nesoi> why would that happen?
[00:44] <EriC^^> nesoi: zgrep "sudo.*COMMAND=/usr/bin/make" /var/log/auth.log.*
[00:45] <nesoi> nothing found EriC^^
[00:45] <tomreyn> unknown, unless you have logs? but it's really pretty moot at this point. you won't be able to migrate your 'make install' software builds to a newer release anyways.
[00:45] <EriC^^> anything with     zgrep "make install" /var/log/auth.log.* ?
[00:46] <tomreyn> nesoi: this was in response to <nesoi> it deleted stuff that doesn't seem to have been installed with apt-get
[00:46] <nesoi> nothing EriC^^
[00:46] <nesoi> yeah it deleted R and all R packages although they were not installed with apt-get
[00:47] <tomreyn> maybe it tried to clean up your system a little so that it could still work after the upgrade
[00:47] <nesoi> it deleted something like 286 "obsolete" packages rather than giving any chance to upgrade
[00:47] <nesoi> ok but if something doesn't work, you can usually still upgrade it
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> alch3mist: You still there?
[00:48] <tomreyn> the recommendation remains the same: backup and reinstall. just use actual apt installed debian packages from ubuntu repositories next time, then you'll have a better chance for a release upgrade
[00:49] <nesoi> not all software exists in those repos
[00:50] <tomreyn> then build your own .deb's or use PPAs or take notes on how you installed the additional software and how you can uninstall it later, and how you'll keep it patched
[00:56] <nesoi> it also seems to have uninstalled required dependencies like:
[00:56] <nesoi> bcftools: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by bcftools)
[00:57] <nesoi> I thought the idea of "upgrade" as opposed to "new install" was that an upgrade… upgrades, and doesn't require starting from scratch
[00:57] <tomreyn> if conditions are met, correct.
[00:58] <nesoi> ok, but in this case some software requires specific versions of packages, and upgrade appears to have decided to just uninstall them rather than keeping them
[00:58] <nesoi> is there a way to get it to not do that?
[00:58] <nesoi> like, if I start over, can I get it to do an actual upgrade?
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: The moment you type "sudo make install", everything goes up in the air, similar to undefined behavior in C. There's no telling what will happen at that point, unless you want to dig into all the details of where the software puts stuff and things like that. This sort of behavior may not be expected, but once you've done a make install, "expected" isn't a concept any longer.
[01:00] <arraybolt3[m]> nesoi: If you don't sidestep the package manager, then yes, an actual upgrade should work so long as you're careful to make sure it's not going to do anything weird (though upgrades are notorious system-busters).
[01:00] <nesoi> it seems fairly easy: I want to do an upgrade and not remove anything that actually doesn't work
[01:00] <nesoi> is there a way to do that?
[01:00] <nesoi> I don't want it to remove things just because they are "obsolete" unless they are known to not work, and in that case I want it to install a newer version or give the option
[01:04] <oerheks> without proper information, what programs you want to convert to 20.02/22.04, you can talk away but nobody can give help.
[01:05] <oerheks> if these are company programs, seek help there?
[01:05] <nesoi> oerheks:  what I would like to know is if there is a way of doing an OS upgrade and have the upgrade process not delete all the stuff it doesn't recognize
[01:06] <nesoi> just upgrade whatever it actually needs to upgrade and leave everything else alone
[01:06] <oerheks> nope, that is not going to happen.
[01:07] <nesoi> so there's no option that can be selected to not wipe out random stuff if it doesn't recognize it? I don't understand how it can delete things from /usr/bin for example
[01:08] <oerheks> why?
[01:09] <nesoi> for an OS upgrade I want it to upgrade the OS, not things which are not required by the OS. If other things break, then they can be upgraded separately. That's the idea. Is there any way to do that?
[01:10] <nesoi> like, if I write some software, the OS shouldn't delete it because it doesn't know what it is
[01:10] <oerheks> time passes by, software gets better, changing from an ancient 16.04 to a current supported release can be confusing, read the releasenotes and get updates for your unknown programms.
[01:10] <oerheks> the change to python3 is a huge example
[01:10] <nesoi> sure, my point is I don't want the upgrade process to just wipe things out
[01:11] <oerheks> then back them up?
[01:12] <nesoi> the entire point of an upgrade is that it's supposed to not wipe out what was there already, as opposed to a new install in which you are expected to start over, no?
[01:12] <nesoi> not sure how I would know what to back up that isn't part of the OS
[01:13] <ravage> "upgrade" takes care of programs that were installed through the provided package system. you are responsible for any programs you manually added to the system. thats just how it is
[01:13] <nesoi> right, that's what I want
[01:13] <nesoi> what I don't want is for "upgrade' to delete things it doesn't take care of
[01:14] <ravage> it doesnt
[01:14] <nesoi> it did
[01:14] <oerheks> that is between your program vendor and you// as you are kinda vague, what do you expect? your are out of support without ESM.
[01:14] <oerheks> lolz
[01:14] <nesoi> no vendor
[01:14] <nesoi> it deleted R
[01:14] <nesoi> for example
[01:15] <oerheks> no, thanks.
[01:21] <nesoi> ?
[01:22] <nesoi> old system has /usr/bin/R, after upgrade its gone. Should that happen?
[01:22] <nesoi> it seems wrong to me for it to just willy nilly delete stuff like that
[01:22] <nesoi> and I was hoping there was an option to tell it not to do it
[01:23] <nesoi> am I an idiot for thinking that upgrades shouldn't go around deleting your software, and if they do you should be able to tell them not to?
[03:49] <Guest537> hi
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> im trying to test a mainline kernel; https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.17.7/ but i get a lot of unmet dependencys
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> im trying the amd64 one
[07:58] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: are you trying to dpkg -i all .debs together (modules included), or just the kernel?
[07:58] <alkisg> If it depends on the modules or even the extra modules, you need to specify them all in the same dpkg line
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: no, im installing them one by one via software centre
[07:59] <alkisg> That won't work
[07:59] <alkisg> You can apt install ./.deb or dpkg -i ./.deb, but not one-by-one
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> it used to work on earlier releases
[07:59] <alkisg> At some point they included the modules in the kernels, and it was big like 60 MB
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme try
[08:00] <alkisg> Then they splitted it to -modules etc; so if the kernel is small you can't install it without its modules
[08:02] <alkisg> See an example there: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.3.1-precise/ ==> the kernels there don't use separate -modules packages, are bigger, and can be installed without dependencies
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> succes alkisg sudo dpkg -i worked
[08:04] <alkisg> 👍
[08:04] <alkisg> `apt install ./*.deb` is better as it ensures there are no unmet dependencies
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> apt doesnt complain, seems fine
[08:05] <KBar> yeah, dpkg is too low-level for such things (i.e. installing a bunch of packages)
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> now lemme try booting it for my flicker bug
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> wohoo party!
[08:10] <KBar> yay!
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> flickering has resolved here
[08:10] <BedMan> dpkg -i is like trying to use a scalpul to cut a tree limb
[08:11] <BedMan> apt is a better tool for the job
[08:11] <KBar> yes, it is apt
[08:11] <KBar> ;)
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> bug #1958191
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> finaly
[08:13] <KBar> lotuspsychje: see how easy that is? now try beating that, microsoft!
[09:06] <user7_> Hello folks .. looking for help to install Web browser IceCat on Ubuntu 18.04.6  and updating it .  Seems there is only a version from 2019 I can download.  Any resources to help update the downloaed file.  Instructions etc to update with latest capabilities and security ?
[09:07] <user7_> can anyone confirm this is a working channel please
[09:08] <sonOfRa> it is, but everyone here is here on their own accord and not being paid to be here
[09:09] <user7_> Understood. Im not looking for paid support. dont expect that from an open source project :)   Im just curious if all the people logged on are active.  Thanks.  And Ive asked a question that may have an interest to multiple people
[09:10] <dsc_> people will eventually respond, if the question is relevant for them
[09:10] <user7_> Thank you for the response. I appreciate knowing channel is functional :)   Have a nice night.
[09:13] <user7_> For anyone interested in a secure Web browser for Ubuntu ... Icecat came recommended to me after some research online
[09:14] <dsc_> I dont think many people use icecat, which is reflected in the amount of people answering your question(s) here
[09:15] <user7_> Are there any other Web browsers for Ubuntu 18.04.6  that are as secure ?    I just found the e cat channel.. #icecat  But would love any feedback on other browsers you all found to be secure as Icecat or better.  Thanks
[09:16] <user7_> thanks for the feedback dsc_    may I ask what you use,  and is it a secure solution  regarding privacy and security ?
[09:22] <alkisg> user7_: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ seems to have latest release = 2019
[09:22] <alkisg> So if upstream has died, there's not much distributions can do
[09:23] <alkisg> If it's not up to date, it's certainly not secure
[09:23] <alkisg> firefox and chrome would be a whole lot more secure
[09:27] <dsc_> user7_: I personally use firefox
[09:28] <user7_> Thanks dsc_
[09:30] <KBar> user7_: promotions are not allowed (latent or blatant). stick to support questions allowed
[09:31] <KBar> regarding secure browsers. duckduckgo has launched its own, although its not available for linux just yet
[09:33] <user7_> Kbar , thanks for the feedback.   What promoting are you refering to ?  because I mentioned an open source software and requesting feedback or advice on finding something similar ?
[09:34] <user7_> Ohhh ..  you dont like other channels mentioned in your chat .... wow.  if that is the case. Im sorry.
[11:33] <ice9> how to run apt hook only if a specific package is upgraded?
[11:38] <wez> ice9: perl script I reckon
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:43] <schraubritter80> what would be the easiest/recommended way to tell either the plasma "display" controls or the nvidia driver gui to offer all possible resolutions regardless of EDID etc.? I had seen some info on the web about changing several xorg.conf parameters, is there some more high-level flag somewhere?
[13:21] <iffraff> Hi, I have recently upgraded to 22.04.  I have a laptop with intell gpu and an external 4k monitor.  every 10 minutes or so the system seems to disconnect the monitor for about 5 seconds then it comes back as a 1080p.  Can someone help me diagnose this?
[13:21] <KBar> iffraff: when you're afk/idle?
[13:22] <wez> :\
[13:22] <iffraff> nope workin away.  just drops me right in the middle of typing
[13:23] <iffraff> I've looked at this file ~/.config/monitors.xml and it seem correct even when the monitor is at low res
[13:28] <iffraff> just happened again, so I guess it doesn't matter if I'm in 4k or low res it still cuts out.  It has even cut out of low res and returned as 4k but only once sadly
[13:32] <iffraff> looks like it's actually more like every 5 minutes.  just happened again.  uggg.  I'll wait for a bit and try back.
[13:42] <Maik> iffraff: you sure the cable is plugged in correctlY
[13:42] <leftyfb> iffraff: you sure the hdmi cable you're using is good enough quality to provide constant 4k?
[13:43] <iffraff> Yep, I was going to mention, early on I wondered if perhaps I was hitting the cord with my foot, you know, giggling it but I have ruled that out.
[13:43] <Maik> iffraff: also, look for bug reports on Launchpad about the matter. If there's none, open one.
[13:44] <iffraff> leftyfb: so ... I mean, it has been working for a long time.  I don't know if these cables degrade or if maybe it was just barely enough, idk
[13:56] <tomreyn> iffraff: all cables degrade, as does any other hardware. trying it with a different cable can be worth it. i previously suggested looking at the bug tracker, and filing a bug, if none found, too. i also suggested reviewing logs - but do not remember whether you responded on this, or what, if so.
[13:59] <iffraff> tomreyn: yes, thank you. So I unplugged the html ( thinking I had another htmi -> usb c which I don't ) and when I plugged it back in it was 4k. it's been ~8 minutes :) so far so good.  I am now starting to believe it may be a cable issue.  I am hesitant to file a bug for what could be a hardware issue.  I'm already a bit embarrased that it may be a cable and I'm here trying to diagnose it like it's a software issue.
[13:59] <tomreyn> you unplugged the html cable? :)
[14:00] <tomreyn> i assume you mean HDMI
[14:00] <tomreyn> that or DP
[14:01] <tomreyn> try getting a new cable then
[14:01] <iffraff> It's been a very long time since I dug into any logs and I don't remember what to run.  Is there any log that my show that the cable is too weak?
[14:01] <iffraff> also yes :) I'm diagnosing problems in my setup and at work.  so no html cables :) just hdmi -> usb c
[14:01] <tomreyn> maybe at work someone even has a cable they could borrow you for 5 minutes to test
[14:02] <iffraff> So it stands to reason that unplugging the cord would ... giggle it around a bit and may resustate it for a bit.  It's been working for longer than usual, so I'm going with crappy cord for now.
[14:02] <iffraff> Thank you all, and sorry to bother you with some day 1 stuff.
[14:08] <iffraff> @tomreyn and others, is there some spec that would indicate a cable is good enough quality for 4k? I mean you can pay $100 for a Monster cable or $12 for an off brand one, and I have no sense that either one is good.  There must be some other metric than cost.
[14:10] <tomreyn> iffraff: you may get better replies to hardware questions on a #hardware channel
[14:11] <iffraff> yes, makes sense. Figured I y;all alredy know my context. I'll try over there though.  Thanks
[14:58] <geri> hi is there a smill docker image for ubuntu 22.04?
[15:00] <geri> i build a binary on ubuntu 22.04 and want to run it on the slimest image possible
[15:01] <aib0> hello?
[15:02] <jhutchins> geri: I know they've been working on the images and they should have a basic one available.
[15:02] <jhutchins> !docker
[15:02] <geri> you mean ask in docker channel?
[15:02] <geri> i cant enter for some reason :/
[15:03] <jhutchins> geri: https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu
[15:03] <jhutchins> geri: You might just need to register your nick.  Read the message.
[15:03] <geri> ok did enter
[15:04] <jhutchins> geri: The exclamation is an attempt to trigger our brain-dead bot.
[15:04] <geri> jhutchins where you see the slim image?
[15:05] <jhutchins> geri: I don't.  Not a container guy.
[15:08] <Maik> geri: slim image... do you mean a minimal iso?
[15:16] <murmel> geri: the only docker images are those you can find on docker hub (at least officially)
[15:34] <jwash> hi guys i have motion running https://i.imgur.com/rzZh9T2.png my webcam. as you can see, i can open it from my local pc, but i can not on my network.
[15:34] <jwash> i have added a firewall rule for 8081, ssh is working.....
[15:35] <jwash> does anyone have experience setting up a webcam and making visible to the internet?
[15:35] <jwash> i have opened a port forward rule in my router also
[15:38] <ravage> jwash, maybe motion only listens on <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:38] <jwash> it's used for multiple cameras
[15:38] <jwash> and as a webcam solution
[15:38] <jwash> so that doesn't seem likely
[15:40] <ravage> proof :)
[15:40] <kamrul> hi this is my first time , visiting a irc :(
[15:43] <kamrul> i have upgraded my os to 22 lts today, when i open multiple tabs on my vivaldi browser the text on tabs kinda breaks :9
[15:48] <ioria> kamrul, have you tired to start it from terminal ?  vivaldi-stable --no-sandbox
[15:50] <kamrul> no
[15:50] <kamrul> i am doing it now
[15:51] <kamrul> the issue still remians
[15:52] <ioria> kamrul, and what's the output in terminal ?
[15:52] <kamrul> libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215045.705852:ERROR:image_generic.cc(77)] Unable to decode PNG for 1.
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215047.070217:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "syncDetachedTabInformation: The message port closed before a response was received.", source: chrome-extension://mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli/bundle.js (1)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215051.243447:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Uncaught (in promise) Error: A listener indicated an asynchronous response by returning true, but the message channel closed before a response was received", source: chrome-extension://mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli/browser.html (0)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7446:7446:0624/215101.627335:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Uncaught (in promise) Error: A listener indicated an asynchronous response by returning true, but the message channel closed before a response was received", source: chrome-extension://mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli/browser.html (0)
[15:52] <kamrul> [7479:7479:0624/215105.969681:ERROR:gl_surface_presentation_helper.cc(260)] GetVSyncParametersIfAvailable() failed for 1 times!
[15:53] <ioria> !paste | kamrul
[15:54] <ioria> kamrul,  try with   '--disable-gpu'
[15:55] <kamrul> vivaldi-stable --no-sandbox with this command ? or seperately
[15:56] <ioria> kamrul,  vivaldi-stable --disable-gpu
[15:56] <ioria> kamrul,  but consider that vivaldi is not supported on ubuntu
[15:57] <kamrul> oh should i tuse other browser other than vivaldi then?
[15:58] <kamrul> ioraia --disable gpu command seems to fix the problem
[15:59] <ioria> kamrul,  you use what you want... but ubuntu supports firefox and chromium
[15:59] <kamrul> nvm i will switch to chromium then
[16:01] <kamrul> thank you ioria
[16:01] <ioria> kamrul,  it's ok
[16:08] <ice9> in post apt hook, how to check for the upgraded package name?
[16:14] <jhutchins> I wonder if kamrul was running vivaldi in a container?  I wonder if switching to chromium fixed the problem.
[16:15] <jhutchins> ice9: What are you actually trying to do?
[16:16] <ice9> jhutchins, run script if a specific package is upgraded
[16:16] <jhutchins> Seems like a human interface would be good for that.  One more reason not to mess with unattended upgrades.
[16:19] <ztane> using firefox snap, 22.04, pretty sure hovering stopped working in wayland... grr
[16:19] <oerheks> one can spot a package that gets updates; apt list —upgradable | grep <package>
[16:19] <dsc_> > snap
[16:19] <oerheks> not sure afterwards
[16:19] <oerheks> yes snap
[16:21] <dsc_> no.
[16:21] <ztane> like, no mouse events are passed through unless clicked, I wouldn't call this much of advance :/
[16:21] <oerheks> ztane, bare metal or in a VM ?
[16:21] <ztane> bare
[16:21] <ravage> my firefox hovers links just fine
[16:22] <oerheks> same here
[16:23] <ztane> it is worse than just hover, I could not draw in google jamboard by dragging yesterday, I just realized today that hovers do not work *anywhere*, neither are mouse cursors changed unless I click :D
[16:23] <ztane> hmmmm strange then, maybe I need to see if there are pending updates... and restart this wayland too.
[16:24] <ravage> cant test with wayland here. nvidia victim :)
[16:25] <ztane> haha
[16:26] <oerheks> rabut there is egl-wayland
[16:26] <oerheks> ravage
[16:26] <ztane> not sure if this intel garbage is better, fast as a snail.
[16:26] <ravage> "work in progress library" sound not stable
[16:27] <ravage> and Xorg works without any errors
[16:27] <ravage> i dont miss wayland atm
[16:27] <oerheks> oh oke
[16:28] <ztane> I just am too old for messing around with system, just want something that works. do-release-upgrade shove snap firefox and wayland down my throat so here we are
[16:28] <ravage> ztane, logout. select your username. click the gear icon. select Xorg
[16:29] <oerheks> ztane, there is choice, logout, switch to Xorg session and login again
[16:38] <ogra> FWIW, to find upgradeable snaps you use "snap refresh --list" ... (as equivalent to "apt list —upgradable")
[17:33] <ztane> well, I just installed everything, logged out and logged in to wayland and ... hovering works in firefox again
[17:34] <ztane> "have you tried turning it off and on again"
[17:53] <alkisg> # clamscan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:53] <alkisg><EMAIL_ADDRESS>Archive.Test.Agent2-9953724-0 FOUND
[17:53] <alkisg> I guess clamav doesn't like the firefox update for 20.04? Can someone else confirm the false positive?
[17:53] <tommy_> whats the point of building a bot on irc???? like advertisement???? anyone know??
[17:54] <oerheks> tommy_, here the bot ubottu is a channel helper.
[17:55] <oerheks> alkisg, https://github.com/Cisco-Talos/clamav/issues/620 false
[17:55] <alkisg> Yeh I was just reading that one; thank you oerheks
[17:55] <tommy_> cool thanks
[18:13] <BedMan> ztane: sometimes just logging off and on again is enough
[18:13] <BedMan> instead of reinstalling everything
[18:16] <ice9> what does it mean if a snap package is listed as "disabled" however this app runs and get updates too?
[18:17] <kristijonas> Hello, I'd like to ask if it's possible to have a LiveUSB Ubuntu (to try it / as emergency) with proprietary drivers for BCM43142 wi-fi card?
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> It means snap still needs work.
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> krist: sure its possible
[18:18] <enigma9o7[m]> but does the broadcomm license allow you to do it?
[18:18] <enigma9o7[m]> not like Hock Tan is gunna hassle you tho if you do it for personal use.
[18:19] <kristijonas> enigma9o7[m], Debian has https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ that's what I'd need to have for Ubuntu, right?
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> Ubuntu includes non-free int heir regular installer, dont need aseperate one.
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> During install it asks if you're okay with 3rd party drivers.
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> But if debian includes the driver and ubuntu doesnt, that's kinda surprising.
[18:21] <enigma9o7[m]> debian has two different isos because their official one is 100% FOSS.
[18:21] <enigma9o7[m]> but ubuntu doesnt care about that
[18:25] <kristijonas> The laptop doesn't have hard-drive, and I want to have it as emergency laptop that would work with wifi from USB stick in "try it" mode
[18:25] <kristijonas> currently I have a USB stick with 18.04 and it doesn't recognize a wifi device
[18:28] <u0_a2048> doing full disk-encryption when you first install ubuntu is that a good idea?   i know probably booting is a little slower since the data needs to be decrypted but is there any other draw backs from doing this full disk encryption
[18:28] <u0_a2048> and is it secured
[18:29] <enigma9o7[m]> krist: itd be a lot easier to install it, even onto aother usb drive, than figure out how to build your own live image with that driver, if you're not already familiar with such things
[18:33] <ravage> u0_a2048, yes
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> u0: i think its dumb personally, but its opinion
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> do you need to hide child porn or something?  sure do it
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> otherwise you're just causing possible complications and making troubleshooting harder
[18:35] <enigma9o7[m]> encryption complicates things
[18:36] <enigma9o7[m]> But, if you think the government might be stealing your computer, or you're afraid if you get robbed what a robber would find on your pc, then use it.
[18:36] <ice9> why snap doesn't remove old versions automatically?
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> to keep people getting mad
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> from getting mad
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> nobody likes it when their pc startws removing stuff automatically
[18:37] <enigma9o7[m]> well maybe somebody does
[18:38] <Noxturnix> auto update is scary
[18:38] <ravage> ice9, sudo snap set system refresh.retain=2
[18:38] <ravage> that will keep 2 versios
[18:40] <ice9> thanks ravage but honestly, snap has been always a trouble until now in everything, I hope canonical terminate it and just keep apt
[18:40] <u0_a2048> ok  im just tweeking and trying and doing new things  ill just get an old pc to try it just to see what i see
[18:41] <ravage> ice9, not gonna happen. also off-topic. see #ubuntu-discuss
[20:00] <webchat62> hi.
[20:00] <webchat62> nice to meet you.
[20:00] <PeGaSuS> Hello webchat62. Welcome to #ubuntu support channel. How can we assist you today?
[20:01] <enigma9o7[m]> Me?  Yeah thanks
[20:01] <webchat62> When I will be able to do dist-upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04?
[20:01] <enigma9o7[m]> August 4th, or you can force it right now with a switch.
[20:01] <webchat62> -d ?
[20:02] <enigma9o7[m]> but of course if you do it now, youre more likely to run into issues than waiting til the first point release.
[20:02] <PeGaSuS> webchat62: when 22.04.1 will be out, probably in August
[20:02] <webchat62> Ok.
[20:03] <PeGaSuS> I've been running Ubuntu 22.04 since its release and didn't faced any major issues. worth to note that I use my laptop mainly to watch youtube, irc and ssh
[20:04] <enigma9o7[m]> Clean install, or upgrade?
[20:04] <enigma9o7[m]> Anyways lota people have upgraded fine, and the minor issues some run into can be resolved.
[20:08] <PeGaSuS> I did an `do-release-upgrade -d --allow-third-party` and all went smoothly
[20:17] <llanhmod> Hey guys... looking to install visualvm and noticed that apt package comes with ant. Im using Gradle, is there any way I can get VisualVM without ant or is this just not possible?
[20:23] <enigma9o7[m]> is ant a seperate package?  the only depends i see for visualvm are "default-jdk (>= 2:1.11) | java11-sdk, libnb-platform18-java (>= 12.1), libvisualvm-jni" with no reccomends.
[20:24] <enigma9o7[m]> but of course one of those other things might require or recommend it
[20:24] <enigma9o7[m]> in any case, what you can try if you want is adding `--no-install-recommends` when you install it
[20:24] <llanhmod> hm... wondering if that would get me a bad install
[20:25] <llanhmod> but..recommends are not requires...so...maybe not
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> well, it no longer includes ant on the list
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> or you can just insatll it as normal then remove ant
[20:25] <enigma9o7[m]> it does seem ant is a seperate package, a reccommend of one of the dependencies (or its dependencies)
[20:26] <llanhmod> metered connection here
[20:26] <llanhmod> but okay
[20:28]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (670KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EIHQLOzRykvaWEMCWPNrqQaC/Screenshot%20from%202022-06-24%2013-27-57.png >
[20:28] <enigma9o7[m]> well depending on what you have installed already, there is a difference......
[20:28] <Psil0Cybin> how much does ant take up? hmm
[20:28] <llanhmod> I dont know Psil0Cybin ... didnt want to find out either
[20:28] <Psil0Cybin> makes sense.
[20:33] <enigma9o7[m]> well you can check how much ant is by itself by installing it (or test installing it)
[20:33]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (445KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bwCXfCDmQgjgtzXNpGBQfmwe/Screenshot%20from%202022-06-24%2013-33-08.png >
[20:33] <enigma9o7[m]> for me its a 44mb download and 175mb install
[20:34] <enigma9o7[m]> (including depends & reccommends)
[20:34] <enigma9o7[m]> but for you it may be different depending what you have already
[20:37] <Psil0Cybin> hmm interesting okay
[20:37] <Psil0Cybin> thanks for that info enigma9o7[m].
[20:37] <Psil0Cybin> 44mb isnt too bad
[20:38] <enigma9o7[m]> plus probably some of those depends might be needed for the main thing he was installin ganyway, so probably even less.
[20:39] <enigma9o7[m]> as shown i dont have java at all
[20:55] <u0_a2048> i just wanted to know if this is something usefull and for what
[20:55] <oerheks> yes? where do you read that , and how is it related to ubuntu support?
[20:57] <u0_a2048> i read it on linuxconfig.org  and since its supported by ubuntu i thought i could get an opnion of its use
[20:58] <oerheks> snaps mount as a squashfs, but i have no clue what a loop-device is
[20:59] <u0_a2048> want me to give you the link
[21:25] <Psil0Cybin> sure i will read the link
[21:29] <jhutchins> u0_a2048: Perhaps an example would be a file that is an image of a filesystem and can be mounted and treated as a device.
[21:30] <jhutchins> u0_a2048: I have several iso images mounted as shared filesystems (read-only).
[21:32] <rfm> u0_a2048, this is all kind of offtopic for #ubuntu, but loop mounts can be used by various container platforms so the container's filesystem is separated for the host.  also used as jhutchins said, to look at the files in an iso without having to burn it to a disk...
[21:39] <u0_a2048> psil0cybin:https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-loop-devices-on-linux
[21:41] <u0_a2048> rfm:yeah i understand better now
[22:19] <jhutchins> In my case, I'd have to have a half-dozen optical disk drives, and the access time's much better.
[22:20] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: no-one has to have an optical drive any more
[22:20] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: they went obsolete 20 years ago
[22:21] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: You do if you haven't already ripped the disc.
[22:30] <cbreak> optical? Bah. LTO-8 is where it's at.
[22:31] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: can't remember the last time I had an optical disc to rip tbh
[22:31] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: I do have OS9-x86 somewhere though
[23:02] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: I have an 18" 1MB platter.
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> I've got some original "floppy" floppy disks around here somewhere.
[23:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (Got them from a thrift store in an old software package, didn't realize the disks were the wrong ones for the old computer we were using.)


[00:32] <goatkid> Hi Xubuntu
[00:32] <knome> hello
[00:33] <goatkid> Just wondering why twitter mode is not working on emacs Xubuntu.  It is working on os x.
[00:34] <knome> you'll want to ask the emacs developers
[00:35] <goatkid> fat chance.  They're having a love fest.  It's supposed to work.  Any rumors?
[00:35] <knome> i don't use it, and it's not installed by default on xubuntu, so i have no idea
[00:36] <goatkid> In other words you don't use emacs?
[00:36] <knome> how else would you interpret "i don't use it" ?
[00:37] <goatkid> Wow.  That's too bad.  What do you use for text and such.
[00:37] <ochosi> vim, atom, mousepad, gedit, nano
[00:38] <goatkid> How you get to twitter?  Just go to the browser?  Or no twitter.
[00:39] <knome> this is getting offtopic for this channel, you can use #xubuntu-offtopic for the general chatter
[00:43] <DabvAstur> ¿Quién de aquí habla español?
[00:43] <Unit193> !es | DabvAstur
[00:43] <DabvAstur> Thanks very much
[00:44] <Unit193> Sure thing!
[01:29] <GeekDude> Any way to get my Xubuntu desktop (ethernet dhcp) to "broadcast" it's name so I can just type "ping media" instead of "ping ip.add.re.ss"? Preferrably without editing the hosts file of every computer on the network.
[01:32] <knome> GeekDude, you can do that already.
[01:33] <GeekDude> Well, it doesn't seem to be working out of the box
[01:34] <Unit193> GeekDude: try ping name.local
[01:35] <GeekDude> "media@media:~$ ping name.local"\n"ping: unknown host name.local"
[01:36] <Unit193> What avahi packages do you have?
[01:36] <GeekDude> In the Xubuntu Settings>Network it shows up as media http://i.imgur.com/xFBeQ6b.png
[01:36] <GeekDude> AFAIK none, unless they came with Xubuntu Desktop
[01:36] <Unit193> Should have come with it.
[01:37] <GeekDude> https://gist.github.com/cbb63f9daeb62eaae620
[01:39] <Unit193> /etc/host.conf should have hosts,bind iirc.
[01:39] <GeekDude> "order hosts,bind"
[01:40] <GeekDude> '# The "order" line is only used by old versions of the C library.'
[01:40] <GeekDude> Does it help to say that I'm pinging from windows? Ideally this would work cross-platform
[01:40] <GeekDude> Though the ping name.local was run on the actual Xubuntu box
[01:40] <Unit193> Ahh, try from that box to somewhere else.
[01:41] <Unit193> I also have 'multi on'
[01:41] <GeekDude> ... like, to another named host?
[01:41] <GeekDude> It can't ping any of the named hosts I can from my windows machine
[02:34] <GeekDude> Unit193: I installed winbinds and now I can ping to the desktop, but not from the desktop
[02:35] <GeekDude> my nsswitch.conf now looks like this https://gist.github.com/144b61c2f197b9231109
[03:09] <GeekDude> Unit193: I got it working!
[03:09] <Unit193> Oh hey, there you are!  Congrats!  Do anything special?
[03:10] <GeekDude> Apparently on newer versions of ubuntu (and derivatives) you need to install winbind and libnss-winbind
[03:10] <GeekDude> not just winbind
[03:10] <GeekDude> I'm going to do some further testing in a clean VM
[03:12] <GeekDude> though it's a bit strange that it doesn't work out of the box, and that it isn't written out plainly in the top google results
[03:15] <cubed_root> folks - i'm running ubuntu 14.04 and cinnamon 2.4.6; my software-update ppa was out of date so i disabled it in software-properties-gtk and then ran 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lestcape/cinnamon' and 'sudo apt-get update';  should that do it?
[03:15] <cubed_root> (i skipped the apt-get install cinnamon because i'm already running it)
[03:16] <holstein> well, ppa's are unsupported.. it may be the PPA is dead? or just down..
[03:16]  * xangua didn't see a question
[03:16] <cubed_root> it appears to be dead
[03:16] <holstein> i would try http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[03:16] <cubed_root> well they had a stable version but it moved and someone else is hosting it
[03:17] <cubed_root> thanks holstein
[03:22] <GeekDude> Unit193: Further investigation shows that just libnss-winbind works great. However, since I already installed the winbind package I think I'll just leave it
[03:22] <Unit193> I likely got those with samba.
[03:25] <GeekDude> samba does rely on 'em
[03:25] <GeekDude> Would you recommend I install the whole samba suite?
[03:26] <Unit193> Only if you plan on using it or need it.
[03:26] <GeekDude> It sounds like it could help with printing. However, I plan to make the linux box the print server, so...
[03:26]  * GeekDude googles CUPS configuration
[03:27] <Unit193> Useful for me to share the printer with her Windows 7.
[03:28] <GeekDude> We just got a brand-new old Brother wired network printer. It'd be nice to be able to print from iOS so I'm going to set up the linux box as an AirPrint server
[03:31] <holstein> i get those HP's you can email, or, i setup a google cloud print to be able to email.. something where, i can print from everything, like its 2015.
[03:40] <GeekDude> We have one of those, but it's an inkjet
[03:50] <GeekDude> woohoo, I went to print a test page and got a page printed out "ERROR NAME; undefined"\n"COMMAND; E &16D &k12H &10O &12,"\n"OPERAND STACK;" and about six pages of random ascii
[04:03] <GeekDude> Well, it prints now!
[04:03] <GeekDude> Not sure about over the network, but I'm starting to annoy the family with loud printer noises at 11PM
[10:14] <LeMike> Hello. Does someone have Skype and is able to see others screens? All my sessions with an OSX user are not capable of sharing a screen. He enables it but I get nothing.
[10:48] <ryanmm> hi all, may I ask some issues?
[10:49] <ryanmm> My xubuntu windows screens is not fit
[10:49] <ryanmm> I looked for in Google but not get any solution yet
[11:37] <xubuntu13w> hi, i just installed the 14.10 version of xubuntu but im missing the quick start panel at the bottom, what am i missing ?
[11:37] <xubuntu13w> thx
[11:44] <elfy> xubuntu13w: you're missing reading that we changed to a single panel in 14.04
[11:44] <elfy> what you have is normal
[11:45] <xubuntu13w> okay thx, ill read the docs
[11:46] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[11:48] <xubuntu13w> in other words i dont have any quickstarters for some apps ? and need to use alwasy the search ?
[11:48] <elfy> as default - you can of course add a new panel and launchers yourself
[11:48] <xubuntu13w> okay thx alot!
[11:49] <elfy> my single panel looks nothing like the default one.
[11:49] <elfy> xubuntu13w: no problem :)
[11:49] <xubuntu13w> last question ^. can i acces the search via a key ?
[11:49] <elfy> I don't know what you mean?
[11:50] <xubuntu13w> i dont want to always click on the button
[11:50] <xubuntu13w> dont like to use the mouse ^
[11:50] <elfy> Ctrl+esc opens whiskermenu and you're in the search box by default
[11:51] <xubuntu13w> k thats really n1, thx and have a n1 day
[11:51] <elfy> is that what you mean?
[11:51] <xubuntu13w> yes
[11:51] <elfy> cool - yea you too :)
[13:48] <sasa> Hallo. First time in my life i cant install Xubuntu beta. How to get and dump diagnose data of ubiquity? I want to report bug.
[13:50] <elfy> if you're on the desktop, open a terminal and ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[13:51] <sasa> Ok, ty.
[14:03] <xubuntu60w> Hi, copying files to USB drives is very slow in 64bit compared to 32bit Xubuntu 14.0.1, file copying freezes when almost done and stays there for a couple minutes then finishes successfully. what could be the problem?
[14:13] <Eston> Hello everybody
[14:13] <Eston> i have a quick question
[14:14] <Eston> do someone know the terminal command to restart xfce ?
[14:14] <Eston> it should be something like : xfcew --replace
[14:14] <bazhang> the panel?
[14:14] <Eston> no i mean to replace it
[14:14] <bazhang> !panels
[14:15] <Eston> xfce4-panelit seems to have crashed on my computer,
[14:15] <Eston> sorry
[14:16] <Eston> in fact my interface dosent work
[14:16] <Eston> i think i need to do a --replace
[14:16] <Eston> to kick out compiz
[14:17] <Eston> Ow its okay i found, i just had to do a compiz --replace, sorry guys and thanks for your help
[17:32] <GeekDude> Unit193: Well, something must've gone wrong in the night because the print server automatically printed 16 pages with "ERROR" on them, and I can no longer ping the desktop by its hostname
[17:33] <holstein> i set static ip's and refer to ip, when i want things to be persistent like that
[18:17] <lopta> Are there separate ISO images for flash use or something to prepent to the DVD iso before I dd it to a USB flash stick?
[18:19] <elfy> lopta: same image
[18:20] <lopta> elfy: Thanks, just dd it onto a flash stick then?
[18:22] <elfy> if that's how you like to do it :)
[18:32] <lopta> elfy: Mostly because I've run out of blank DVDs at the office.
[18:35] <elfy> right - well I tend to not use dd very often - then wonder if I have the synatx right, so end up using a gui tool mostly :)
[18:35] <elfy> lopta: ^^
[18:36] <lopta> I use dd every day ;-)
[18:36] <elfy> however given the choice between using DVD and USB I would use USB every time now :)
[18:36] <elfy> lopta: :)
[18:36] <lopta> I have to wait for the ISO to download before I can try it though.
[18:37] <elfy> yea that can be a pain for some, pretty quick here
[18:50] <lopta> elfy: Thanks
[20:14] <sergio-br2> does this already fixed in vivid? --> https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/issues/26
[20:14] <sergio-br2> "Add blueman-sendto to Send To menu of Thunar file manager"
[20:14] <sergio-br2> cool feature to have out-of-box in the system
[20:22] <brainwash> sergio-br2: no
[20:22] <sergio-br2> the work flow to send files with bluetooth is pretty hard...
[20:24] <sergio-br2> you can't send from ristretto, so you have to open blueman, browse to the folder of the file, and find the file
[20:24] <sergio-br2> with pictures, you have to match exactly the same name as it appears in ristretto... and you have dozen of "IMG_0xxx"
[20:26] <ochosi> i guess ristretto could use some "sharing" features (stuff like flickr) and also bluetooth
[20:26] <ochosi> i'd say feel free to submit patches ;)
[20:26] <sergio-br2> :p
[20:26] <astraL> Hello
[20:27] <elfy> hello astraL
[20:27] <elfy> and evening sergio-br2 ochosi brainwash :)
[20:27] <brainwash> ristretto could use some bug fixes first
[20:27] <brainwash> hi elfy
[20:27] <ochosi> actually a few bugs were fixed recently in git
[20:27] <brainwash> that's good news
[20:27] <sergio-br2> good evening
[20:28] <ochosi> but yeah, it needs a new maintainer, generally speaking
[20:28] <astraL> Iam trying to install xubuntu 14.04 on a partition, i tryed for one week now and i still cant
[20:29] <astraL> On the log in screen it freeze after 10 sec, and if i try to push a button on my keyboard it freeze directly
[20:29] <astraL> Can do nothing at all, no commads' no terminal'''
[20:29] <astraL> And my searchs on google didn,t help me at all
[20:30] <astraL> Im desesperate, and this is my last try, after that i give up linux...
[20:32] <elfy> astraL: first - what hardware, second - what are you installing from - usb/dvd, third - have you checked that the things you're using to install with are all good?
[20:33] <astraL> Any idea what could it be ?
[20:33] <astraL> Looks like my computer is just allergic on xubuntu
[20:33] <astraL> My install worked on other pc's, the problem is only on mine pc
[20:38] <asraL> hi
[20:39] <ochosi> elfy: i think you should just repost your question until you get answers :p
[20:39] <asraL> im trying to install xubuntu since last week, i managed to install it on many systems before, but on my actual pc it just did't work.
[20:40] <ochosi> asraL: try to answer elfy's questions, otherwise we can't really help you
[20:40] <asraL> my xubuntu freeze at the login screen after 5-10 secs
[20:40] <asraL> if i press any key on my keyboard it freeze immediatly
[20:40] <elfy> astraL: first - what hardware, second - what are you installing from - usb/dvd, third - have you checked that the things you're using to install with are all good?
[20:41] <asraL> im installing it at the side of my windows 7
[20:41] <asraL> im installing from a live non persistent usb key
[20:42] <asraL> and my installation is perfect since it worked on many other comouters
[20:42] <elfy> do you mean that the usb has installed properly elsewhere?
[20:44] <ochosi> (the *same* usb key)
[20:45] <elfy> asraL: try opening a terminal Ctrl+T then run
[20:46] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10097576/
[20:46] <elfy> /exec -o inxi -F | pastebinit
[20:46] <elfy> and you can safely ignore my paste :D


[14:13] <Harzilein> hi
[14:13] <Harzilein> is there a frontend command to resolve "directory services" style repo locations to urls?
[23:01] <malami> Hi, I have a question about branches. I'm a git user and it's been a while since I used Bazaar. I want to commit to a release branch, so I did bzr branch lp:project/version. I supposed I would just make a change, commit and push. But when I run git status right after the branch command, it shows me a ton of changed files. What am I missing? (I can commit to trunk just fine this way)
[23:37] <malami> nevermind, I fetched the branch on a Samba share (don't ask) and all the files had +x file attr, that's why they showed as changes. I did a bzr revert and all is well now.


 Query: Is it okay if one installs ubuntu 18.04 on zfs?
 Any downsides?
[14:04] <diogenes_> The_LoudSpeaker, you need to ask yourself what for and also you need to have at least 8 GB RAM.
 Oops! Late reply. I went with ext4 only.
 Thanks for the info tho.


[00:17] <Bunny> Hello
[00:17] <Bunny> I need help with my new kubuntu installation
[00:19] <Guest69573> Could someone help me?
[00:26] <gonyere> perhaps Guest69573 - whats up?
[00:26] <Guest69573> My laptop display is shattered and I just installed kubuntu 13.10 onto it
[00:26] <Guest69573> However
[00:26] <Guest69573> I cannot switch to my external display via VGA
[00:27] <gonyere> what happens when you plug it into vga?
[00:27] <Guest69573> my monitor says no signal
[00:27] <gonyere> what if you close your laptop lid and then plug it in?
[00:27] <Guest69573> I'll try that
[00:28] <gonyere> xrandr --output VGA1 --primary
[00:28] <gonyere> or try that an see what it says
[00:28] <Guest69573> ??
[00:28] <Guest69573> Is that a terminal command?
[00:29] <gonyere> yeah
[00:29] <Guest69573> how do I switch into terminal to type that?
[00:29]  * gonyere is looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/129524/how-to-switch-display-from-laptop-to-external-monitor
[00:29] <Guest69573> I cannot see anything on my laptop's display
[00:30] <gonyere> are you logged in?
[00:30] <Guest69573> I cant even do that
[00:30] <Guest69573> or even tell if im logged on
[00:31] <gonyere> turn it on and push ctrl and f4
[00:31] <gonyere> then type the above
[00:31] <gonyere> and see what happens
[00:32] <gonyere> with a vga monitor plugged in
[00:32] <gonyere> you might also try starting it up w/ the monitor plugged in
[00:32] <gonyere> and see if that makes any difference
[00:32] <Guest69573> Still nothing
[00:33] <Guest69573> I have tried starting up with the monitor plugged in
[00:33] <gonyere> when you turn it on w/ the vga plugged in, does the monitor show the start-up bios screen?
[00:33] <gonyere> or just nothing, period?
[00:33] <Guest69573> Yeah, nothing
[00:34] <gonyere> hmm...
[00:35] <gonyere> try the fn (funciton) key and f5 (i'm just googling...)
[00:35] <Guest69573> I've noticed that when I plug int my monitor while it's on the screen goes off and then turns back on
[00:35] <Guest69573> you mean the monitor key?
[00:35] <Guest69573> I've tried that
[00:38] <gonyere> hmm... idk, sounds like theres something screwy with the monitor...
[00:38] <gonyere> i have a laptop that doesn't have a monitor so that it always goes to the vga output, though that was kinda major surgery...
[00:38] <gonyere> if the screen's cracked it might be worth a try..
[00:41] <Guest69573> and this isn't going to short out the motherboard
[00:41] <Guest69573> ?
[00:41] <gonyere> it didn't kill mine :p
[00:42] <gonyere> its my 'ultra portable desktop' :p now
[00:42] <Guest69573> I have an HP 2000
[00:43] <gonyere> no idea :p mine was/is an old system 76 gazelle :p
[00:44] <Guest69573> I want to keep from dismantling my laptop because my mom will flip out unless I am certain that it's not going to mess anything up
[00:45] <gonyere> yeah... idk, sorry I can't be of more help :(
[00:46] <Guest69573> Well I guess im out of options, thanks anyway.
[00:46] <Guest69573> I'll be back later with how it turned out
[02:00] <kubuntu> hh
[03:19] <topoi> i've got a q. about 14.04
[03:19] <topoi> will it solve the abnormally high cpu usage issue in 13.10?
[04:05] <BentFranklin> Ubuntu Server 12.04: If I GParted from Live CD to resize partitions (not /boot), can it cause data loss?
[04:17] <valorie> BentFranklin: it's always wise to do a backup before something major like that
[04:21] <BentFranklin> Yeah the man page is pretty explicit about that.  Just wondering if people still do use it, say in non-complicated situations.
[04:33] <valorie> BentFranklin: (btw, love the nick) you never lose if you have a backup
[04:33] <valorie> who knows, if you don't
[05:11] <MC1> Could I please get help with my laptop?
[05:11] <valorie> MC1: what do you need?
[05:12] <MC1> I installed Kubuntu 13.10 on my HP 2000 laptop which has a shattered display
[05:12] <MC1> Im trying to use an external monitor and for some reason nothing happens
[05:13] <valorie> ah, I saw that earlier
[05:13] <MC1> when i press any keys on my laptop other than enter the laptop makes a beeping noise
[05:13] <MC1> I tested it on the computer i used to install to the hard drive, kubuntu loads up and works perfectly fine
[05:14] <MC1> i was the person here earliere who asked about it
[05:14] <valorie> hmmm
[05:14] <MC1> Im assuming my laptop is not detecting the hard drive altogether
[05:15] <MC1> since I have no issues with the computer I used as an intermediate for installation
[05:15] <valorie> but that doesn't mean it will work on the laptop
[05:15] <valorie> can you try a live session and see what happens?
[05:15] <valorie> from cd/dvd/usb
[05:15] <valorie> possibly, yes
[05:16] <valorie> sure, but part of install is checking the hardware, and loading the drivers you need for various things
[05:16] <valorie> unless you have two identical computers, I'm not sure that would work
[05:17] <MC1> Normally I am able to do this
[05:18] <MC1> but in this case it doesnt seem to be working
[05:18] <valorie> you've done this before with these two computers?
[05:18] <MC1> with one, but not the other
[05:19] <MC1> I am also unable to boot from CD or USB because I cannot view the BIOS or boot menus
[05:20] <valorie> you might have to set up the laptop so that you can ssh into it
[05:20] <valorie> then you could run it from your other computer
[05:21] <valorie> I can't think of another way to run it 'headless'
[05:21] <MC1> i am litterally unable to do anything with my laptop in it's current state
[05:21] <MC1> Im thinking of taking it appart completely and running it with the hardware outside of it's case
[05:21] <valorie> so, can you take that HD out, put it in another machine, and set up an ssh account there?
[05:22] <MC1> SSH?
[05:22] <valorie> !ssh
[05:22] <valorie> with ssh you can control one machine from another
[05:23] <MC1> That seems far outside of my technical knowledge, but
[05:23] <MC1> i
[05:23] <valorie> basically you would be using the laptop like a server
[05:23] <MC1> I can keep it in mind if it comes to that
[05:23] <valorie> well, I've ssh'd, back even when I was still using windows
[05:23] <valorie> it's not very advanced
[05:23] <MC1> Oh
[05:23] <valorie> <--- not very technical
[05:24] <valorie> if you have a server anywhere you have to learn ssh or ftp or something
[05:24] <valorie> ssh is the most secure
[05:24] <MC1> I usually just use my computer as a part-time server
[05:25] <MC1> but I can see where you are coming from
[05:25] <valorie> how do you access that server?
[05:25] <valorie> when you are using it as a server, i mean
[05:26] <MC1> i dont mean like a actual server that requires SSH
[05:26] <MC1> i just run my server software on it and go on about my buisiness
[05:26] <valorie> you mean a web-server?
[05:27] <MC1> no, just like a small minecraft server for my friends and me, a teamspeak server.
[05:27] <fr1lancer> !xrandr
[05:27] <valorie> I think setting an ssh account is well within your scope then
[05:28] <valorie> put the broken screen somewhere you can't look at it, and read up on ssh
[05:28] <MC1> I found out through research on m issue, "Boot device not found"
[05:28] <valorie> you'll get it
[05:28] <BluesKaj> howdy
[05:30] <MC1> do you guys know where I can find information on repairing the Boot device not found error?
[05:31] <valorie> where were you able to see that error message, MC1?
[05:31] <MC1> it matches my symptoms as far as I can gather
[05:32] <MC1> when  I boot up, i get a beeping noise when I press any key other than enter
[05:32] <MC1> the screen usually changes when I press the enter key, but that lasts momentarily and then it returns to normal
[05:46] <sammykim> May I ask how to upgrade font-config to make sure thread-safe with ubuntu?
[05:47] <valorie> !info font-config
[05:48] <valorie> so it seems it is part of systemsettings
[05:49] <valorie> sammykim: why are you concerned about thread safety?
[05:51] <sammykim> I contribute parallel program so they have to support thread safety.
[05:52] <valorie> perhaps you should get the source and judge for yourself
[05:52] <sammykim> Also I am using ubuntu is codename quantal.
[05:52] <sammykim> valorie: Do you have any link to reference? I don't want to make terrible problem with my ubuntu by making a mistake.
[05:53] <valorie> !source
[05:53] <valorie> quantal is rather old if you are developing
[05:54] <valorie> you can always get up-to-date sources by using project neon
[05:54] <valorie> see #project-neon for more information
[05:55] <valorie> you can run this next to your regular installation
[05:56] <sammykim> Thanks for answering.
[05:59] <sammykim> valorie: As long as I want to make sure thread-safe with fontconfig, I think I should upgrade my OS first to support over version 2.10.91 of fontconfig.
[05:59] <valorie> sounds good, sammykim
[05:59] <sammykim> I found the fontconfig guarantee thread-safe over 2.10.91 version. :)
[06:00] <sammykim> valorie: Thanks for answering me. Have a great day!
[06:00] <valorie> you too!
[06:00] <valorie> and good luck in your programming
[06:28] <Guest7333> im trying to completely switch from windows 8 to kubuntu on my toshiba laptop without success
[06:29] <Guest7333> ive downloaded it to a usb drive and changed boot settings, secure boot, etc
[06:29] <Guest7333> any help?
[06:30] <valorie> do you mean that you burned the ISO onto the usb drive, or what?
[06:30] <Guest7333> im about to try again. downloaded 64-bit this time
[06:30] <Guest7333> ive done this before years ago
[06:30] <valorie> is the USB "bootable"?
[06:30] <valorie> in other words, can you run Kubuntu before installing it?
[06:31] <Guest7333> i just downloaded it and moved the file to a usb drivem, changed boot settings and it worked
[06:31] <valorie> so you can boot
[06:31] <valorie> then what happens?
[06:31] <valorie> in general you don't "move the file"
[06:31] <valorie> you have to either dd it, or burn it
[06:32] <valorie> !iso
[06:32] <valorie> !burning
[06:33] <Guest7333> the file type is "disc image" i guess thats wrong?
[06:33] <Guest7333> ive been outta the game for a while forgive me
[06:33] <valorie> that depends -- where did you download this file?
[06:34] <Guest7333> kubuntu.org
[06:34] <valorie> ok, you are fine then
[06:34] <valorie> have a look at the links above and see if everything is ok
[06:35] <Guest7333> i tried the 64-bit on an SD card but i dont think it was recognizable to boot from
[06:35] <valorie> usually they aren't, right
[06:35] <valorie> maybe that would work on a netbook
[06:37] <Guest7333> oh i just looked at that "/burningIsoHowto"
[06:37] <Guest7333> i havent seen that
[06:37] <Guest7333> i fucking hate win8
[06:37] <IdleOne> no need for the swearing
[06:39] <Guest7333> will those instructions be similar to using a USB drive instead of dvd?
[06:40] <valorie> yes
[06:40] <Guest7333> awesome thank you i'll give it a try
[06:42] <valorie> darn
[07:15] <fr1lancer> бла бла бла бла
[07:20] <jacky> wat
[07:23] <Unit193> "bla bla bla bla" in Russian.
[07:53] <MC1> Hello
[07:54] <MC1> I did some modifcation on my laptop to remove the display completely, it didnt do anything. :/
[07:54] <MC1> however the beeping message did go away
[07:55] <MC1> and my hard drive light is stuck on
[07:55] <arvind_> Hi, using IRC first time. Glad to meet you all.
[07:57] <MC1> If I put my ear up to it I can hear the hard drive rev up but nothing else seems to happen
[09:08] <rohan> i'm on kubuntu 14.04 with kde 4.12.1. when i right click on widgets in the panel, i don't get an option to remove them. is this an intended kde feature, or a kubuntu bug?
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:02] <em_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:33] <Affondo> come far riconoscere un tablet samsung a kubuntu?
[12:35] <Jakaster> hein ?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:52] <yanlenner> hi
[15:45] <bren_> hi all
[17:26] <bogfrog> hi
[17:42] <SenoirButWise> Hi there .. I am, just using KDE on a t91 16GB SDD netbook .. also I note , for those IN THE UNITED KNIGDOM , that this Laptop is abailable for $100 in eay.co.uk http://r.ebay.com/QNffhC
[17:43] <SenoirButWise> leaves .
[17:48] <jacky> $100?
[17:48] <jacky> why not just use pounds?
[19:19] <Avihay> would any one venture to guess why I can't see html5 video in chromium?
[19:45] <DT`> having a problem, everytime i try to run a specific app through terminal it say permission denied. i tried setting root with sudo -i but that didn't change anything
[19:45] <DT`> its fastboot incase there is a known issue rooting phones
[20:06] <michael__> Hello
[20:07] <Guest85836> I was here the other day with issues on my display, I've fixed those but I want to know how I can use HDMI out
[20:08] <Guest85836> Hello
[20:08] <Guest85836> ?
[20:25] <michael___> Hello?
[20:35] <gtrepas> hello
[20:35] <michael___> Hi
[20:35] <miseria> "dicen, que el ser humano es un programa del universo; ¿sera que la muerte es solo un cambio de actividades?" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[20:35] <michael___> I'm look for help with my VGA out
[20:36] <michael___> I have a high resolution TV and I want to use high resolution VGA, or better yet, HDMI out
[20:55] <gtrepas> i am so bored
[21:04] <trustythar> whit drivers nvidia is good xrender whit opengl?
[22:14] <niki> Is there a way to specify a version of a package like one version lower using apt?
[22:15] <niki> the new version of wine has a regression, and need to install one version lower
[22:16] <niki> Or if someone can tell me how to install multiarch on 13.10, i can compile the older version of wine
[22:41] <valorie> !pinning
[22:41] <valorie> ah, niki left
[22:41] <valorie> pfff
[22:52] <valorie> session on Ubuntu flavors, including Kubuntu, in 5 mins: #ubuntu-classroom
[23:00] <monty_hall> anybody use eclipse and having problems w/ ctrl+f11?
[23:00] <monty_hall> doesn't seem to work anymore.
[23:00] <monty_hall> still mapped in eclipse however.
[23:00] <monty_hall> looked thru kde key mapping and don't see ctrl+f11
[23:01] <monty_hall> was wondering if kde was intercepting the keystroke.


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <locodir-user> hello
[07:32] <locodir-user> i m new kubuntu user i have one problem


[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <elfy> hi dholbach
[07:38] <elfy> how's the hand now?
[07:38] <dholbach> hi elfy
[07:38] <dholbach> still in a splint and hopefully mending slowly :)
[07:38] <dholbach> how are you?
[07:39] <elfy> pretty good thanks - on a week off again now
[07:41] <dholbach> nice :)
[07:41] <elfy> broken hand bits are not good ;)
[07:41] <dholbach> no, not really, but I guess it'll sort itself out
[07:41] <elfy> dholbach: it's be nicer if it was a week holiday instead of only having a part time job :D
[07:41] <dholbach> ah, ok, yes
[07:42] <elfy> yep - only thing I ever broke was the bones both sides of an elbow - that was pretty inconvenient :)
[07:44] <dholbach> :-/
[07:45] <elfy> was worse the year after - the wires ended up poking though my skin lol
[07:46] <dholbach> which wires?
[07:47] <elfy> the ones they'd put there to hold it altogether while it healed
[07:48] <dholbach> wow
[07:48] <elfy> I can laugh about it now ;)
[07:49] <elfy> elfy was definitely a goblin that particular day ...
[11:31] <dholbach> brb
[14:49] <elfy> hi jono
[14:51] <jono> hey elfy
[14:55] <elfy> jono: you know the meeting is in #xubuntu-devel not #xubuntu?
[14:58] <jono> elfy, #xubuntu-devel
[14:58] <elfy> yep
[15:07] <jcastro> hey jono
[15:07] <jcastro> does everything on developer.u.c need to be an API?
[15:07] <jcastro> for example we have this:
[15:08] <jcastro> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/simplestreams/trunk/view/head:/doc/README
[15:08] <jcastro> which IMO would be developer.u.c-related
[15:08] <jcastro> but not necessarily in a "Write on top of our platform", this is more consumption
[15:08]  * popey pokes jono
[15:11] <jcastro> also jane just tweeted that Verizon joined the CAG!
[15:12] <jcastro> <air guitar>
[15:33] <balloons> nice!
[15:34] <pleia2> wow
[15:48] <balloons> http://insights.ubuntu.com/news/press-releases/verizon-joins-ubuntu-carrier-advisory-group/
[18:16] <jbicha> wow, Ars went to their archives to find a Unity screenshot for http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/ubuntus-x-window-replacement-mir-coming-in-next-os-version/
[18:19] <jcastro> looks like 10.10
[18:21] <jbicha> it looks like UDS-M, the Google searchbar was never shipped
[18:33] <jbicha> I guess the current Ars writers and editors mostly ignore Unity
[18:44] <jcastro> I think he was going for an old school look to showcase how far it's come along, but that's not obvious
[19:00] <jcastro> jono: yo yo, should we perhaps do a minisync today since I just got back?
[19:00] <jono> jcastro, yep, will do after lunch
[19:06] <bkerensa> Now Ubuntu Touch just needs Sprint
[19:06] <bkerensa> and then some hardware
[19:06] <bkerensa> :)
[19:14] <IdleOne> Comcast will be next
[19:14]  * IdleOne calls it
[19:26] <bkerensa> nigelb: Did you get the link for the new shirt request?
[20:44] <jcastro> jono: 15min until EOD if you wanna catch the Jorge Train
[20:44] <jono> jcastro, oh, I asked earlier if you could do in 45m, give me a sec and I will set up a hangout
[20:45] <jcastro> oh, ya that works too
[20:47] <jono> jcastro, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3c35c2b2a3bb81c8e49e5ae1d711afbc7b0791ae?authuser=0&hl=en


[12:42] <munz> nice, i was able to get all 3 steam games i mentioned yesterday working! the systems i was having issues with were not any reliable or production systems, both were 13.10 and both did not have the nvidia drivers loaded. nvidia now loaded and they play realy nice :) *pew* *pew*
[13:08] <munz> btw, still 11days left at humblebundle.com to get the steam games i got 6 (3 linux) games for $5


[00:06] <valorie> haha, nice nick ubottu
[00:07] <valorie> I mean Unit193
[00:22] <bazhang> b00s3d <---- k1l
[00:22] <bazhang> notorius time waster supremo
[00:22] <Unit193> valorie: Heh, thanks.
[00:24] <valorie> although shouldn't you be Missy now?
[00:25] <Unit193> Nope, not as interesting/crazy.
[00:29] <valorie> I've not seen enough of the old eps to judge, but I'm loving Missy
[11:15] <k1l_> sruli wandering on the edge of supporting "burning all jews". holymowly
[16:28] <k1l_> [DrUbuntu] (~AKA@<IP_ADDRESS>): Der Kotstein   using an open proxy. iirc did try to troll last days, too