[00:01] <leonel> all day ubuntu one does not sync files  just makes empty copies this between  Karmic and Jaunty
[00:02] <leonel> even after  disconnects and connects
[00:02] <leonel> and says  updating 1 of 2 files and there it hangs
[00:04] <joshuahoover> leonel: did you update the client lately on the jaunty machine?
[00:05] <leonel> yes 0.94
[00:05] <leonel> 0.94.0+r198-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[00:06] <joshuahoover> leonel: how about the karmic machine? which alpha are you using there?
[00:07] <leonel> 2 hours since last update
[00:08] <joshuahoover> leonel: alpha 5 then?
[00:08] <joshuahoover> leonel: that was released today
[00:08] <leonel> joshuahoover: yes
[00:08] <joshuahoover> k
[00:09] <joshuahoover> hmmm...if you look in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log do you see any files with syncdaemon exception in the name?
[00:11] <leonel> ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.State - ERROR - READY_WITH_NETWORK --[SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE]--> ERROR!!!
[00:12] <leonel> BadTransition: State READY_WITH_NETWORK can't handle the SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE event
[00:12] <joshuahoover> leonel: ok, i think you're going to need to file a bug report
[00:12] <leonel> that from the latest  log
[00:12] <leonel> going to bugs.launchpad.net
[00:12] <leonel> thanks
[00:12] <joshuahoover> leonel: if you right-click on the ubuntu one applet, select "report a bug"
[00:13] <joshuahoover> leonel: and if you don't mind, can you attach the exception log to your bug report? this will help us figure out what's going on a bit better...thanks!
[00:16] <leonel> joshuahoover: how do I attach  the log  the  right-click does not have  where to attach it ..  or  attach it on launchpad?
[00:16] <joshuahoover> leonel: sorry about that...attach in launchpad :)
[00:16] <leonel> ok
[00:18] <Chipaca> leonel: hi
[00:18] <Chipaca> leonel: what's the date on that log in exceptions?
[00:19] <leonel> syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2009-09-03_16-59-07
[00:19] <leonel> date
[00:19] <leonel> Thu Sep  3 17:19:08 MDT 2009
[00:19] <Chipaca> leonel: and this is with r198?
[00:20] <leonel> yes
[00:20] <Chipaca> leonel: could you quit or kill the applet and the syncdaemon, and run «/usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug» from a terminal?
[00:24] <Chipaca> leonel: ?
[00:27] <dobey> check the version # oauth-login.log
[00:31] <dobey> leonel: did you report a bug as i asked you to earlier?
[01:00] <leonel> dobey: got busy, now I'm taking this again to report the bug
[01:02] <leonel> dobey:   --debug running
[01:02] <leonel> FS_FILE_OPEN   and  CLOSE  on the 2  new files
[01:03] <dobey> leonel: grep "0.94.0" ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log
[01:04] <leonel> 2009-09-03 16:59:28,382:382.539987564 UbuntuOne.Client.Applet Starting Ubuntu One client version 0.94.0
[01:05] <leonel> launched the applet and connected
[01:05] <leonel> the syncdaemon said :
[01:06] <leonel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/264709/
[01:06] <dobey> leonel: grep "BadTransition" ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[01:07] <leonel> this on jauntygrep "BadTransition" ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.*
[01:07] <leonel> /home/leonel/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2009-09-03_16-59-07:BadTransition: State READY_WITH_NETWORK can't handle the SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE
[01:08] <dobey> both of those greps were on jaunty?
[01:08] <leonel> yes
[01:08] <dobey> ok
[01:08] <LordMetroid> :D
[01:08] <LordMetroid> He really do not like that collar
[01:08] <LordMetroid> whoops
[01:08] <dobey> looks like the BadTransition was from an old version of the client
[01:14] <leonel> dobey:  want the logs from karmic ?
[01:14] <leonel> this is what I have on jaunty
[01:14] <leonel> ii  python-ubuntuone-client                    0.94.0+r198-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty                 Ubuntu One client Python libraries
[01:14] <leonel> ii  python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol           0.93.0+r69-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty                  Python library for Ubuntu One file storage a
[01:14] <leonel> ii  ubuntuone-client                           0.94.0+r198-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty                 Ubuntu One client
[01:14] <leonel> ii  ubuntuone-client-gnome                     0.94.0+r198-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty                 Ubuntu One client GNOME integration
[01:14] <leonel> ii  ubuntuone-ppa-beta                         2009.05.14-0ubuntu1                              GPG keys and sources for the Ubuntu One pack
[01:15] <dobey> no
[01:16] <dobey> but an older version of syncdaemon was running when the BadTransition occurred, from what i can tell
[01:17] <leonel> that was with the current version
[01:23] <leonel> so  should I still do the bug report ?
[01:25] <dobey> you can file a report but i'm like ~100% sure it's a duplicate of #420354
[01:25] <dobey> as the logs say old code was still running at the time
[01:28] <dobey> based on the information i have seen anyway
[01:28] <dobey> leonel: you've not had any issues since that crash, right?
[01:31] <leonel> dobey:  yes, that started yesterday
[01:33] <dobey> leonel: can you quit the applet on both machines, and then start it again on both, and if there are any more issues please file bugs :)
[01:35] <leonel> dobey:  did that a few times today , also tried  disconnect / connect  to restart
[01:35] <leonel> and same result
[01:35] <leonel> files with 0 length on    ubuntuone.com/files  and  on  nautilus
[01:41] <leonel> now on  ubuntuone/files   selected  the 3 files to delete and  does not get deteted
[01:41] <leonel> got to go I'll check latter on and to the bug report.
[01:42] <leonel> Gracias / Thank You
[01:43] <dobey> ok
[01:51] <trothigar> hiya, I'm having trouble using ubuntuone. When I look at the web interface I see files but when I look at nautilus there are no files there.
[13:19] <CardinalFang> aquarius, Hi.  Are you working on removing databases?
[13:19] <aquarius> CardinalFang, no, I'm working on unpairing servers
[13:19] <aquarius> although I have to go to the dentist so it peobably won't be finished today
[13:19] <CardinalFang> Er, removing from replication is what I meant.
[13:20] <aquarius> yes, that's what I'm working on :)
[13:20] <aquarius> deleting the paired server record
[13:20] <aquarius> that actually works fine, it's just all the GUI bits (take it out of this list, put it in this other list, hide the other list if its empty, blah blah blah)
[13:21] <CardinalFang> aquarius, I was thinking, if you write a "this should go away now" record somewhere, then in the normal replicaton process, I can remove this-server's replication entry from the remote end, the next time we see each other.
[13:22] <aquarius> CardinalFang, aha, already done, sorta. Paired-server ecords don't actually get deleted.they get application_annotations.Ubuntu One.private_application_annotations.deleted = true
[13:22] <aquarius> so you can look for that
[13:25] <CardinalFang> Hrm, but those will persist, even after I reconcile everything.  I don't want to be unnecessarily chatty just because we were paired in the past.  A positive record that I can delete when I reconcile it would be netter.
[13:27] <aquarius> correct, but if they're actually deleted then they can't be undeleted
[13:27] <aquarius> also, remember that the .deleted=true hack is just a hack until we have proper history, at which point they can be actually deleted
[13:27] <CardinalFang> I don't mean actually deleted, of course.
[13:28] <aquarius> you don't have to be chatty, though; don't start replication for servers listed in deleted records, no?
[13:28] <urbanape> brb hopefully
[13:28] <CardinalFang> aquarius, when do I remove the entry from the far end?
[13:29] <aquarius> CardinalFang, ah, your point being that you can't tell the difference between "this record has been deleted and needs reconciling" and "this record has been deleted and I've already reconciled it"
[13:29] <aquarius> a good and wise argument.
[13:29] <CardinalFang> Exactly.
[13:30] <aquarius> is it worth having a whole other record for that? rather than just "reconciled=false" in the record itself?
[13:30] <CardinalFang> In the record that we are also marking as deleted?
[13:31] <aquarius> yep. So when I delete a record, I mark it as deleted and unreconciled. When you reconcile it, remove the "unreconciled" but leave it deleted
[13:31] <CardinalFang> That sounds fair.
[13:32] <CardinalFang> Also, new topic:  I was thinking of adding a "do-not-replicate" pane in the pairing tool, to mark databases we don't want copied.  This is probably near your work.
[13:33] <CardinalFang> Spatially, in code and GUI.
[13:33] <CardinalFang> I can wait a while if you think you'll commit soon.
[13:33] <CardinalFang> soon = "before Tuesday.
[13:34]  * CardinalFang afk 5 min.
[13:37] <aquarius> I should have this done before tuesday.
[13:37] <aquarius> I don't know about the do-not-replicate pane, though. I'm not sure I want it to be easy to say "don't replicate this database"
[13:54] <CardinalFang> Hrm, okay.
[13:55] <CardinalFang> The functionality exists in the replicator, for 'management' hard-coded and others in records.  I'm okay with leaving no way to get things in and out of that list.
[13:59] <aquarius> *nod* yep. We certainly need a way of doing it, which we have. I just don't think we need convenient UI for it
[14:00] <CardinalFang> Roger.  Now, is "gnomekeyring" module very Gnome-centric?  That is, will the Foobuntu people balk at it?
[14:04] <aquarius> I...think so. But we're supporting Ubuntu
[14:04] <aquarius> there is no cross-desktop keyring
[14:06] <statik> one was just released last week
[14:06] <statik> dunno if it's any good, but we can probably start using it for karmic+1
[14:07] <statik> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/keyring
[14:07] <CardinalFang> statik, Thanks
[14:07] <aquarius> *nod* I saw that it exists, but haven't had a chance to look at it in any detail
[14:13] <thisfred> aquarius: so, I added admin users galore to my system couchdb yesterday. Now all of the tests fail because of unauthorized
[14:14] <thisfred> which was a bit of a surprise
[14:14] <CardinalFang> Rawk!
[14:14] <aquarius> erm
[14:14] <CardinalFang> Oh, wait...
[14:14] <aquarius> thisfred, the oauth user should be an admin
[14:14] <thisfred> aquarius: there are no oauth tests?
[14:14] <thisfred> aquarius: I mean the tests on my branch
[14:14] <thisfred> which worked fine until then
[14:15] <thisfred> so: 1. they aren't talking to the right db after all
[14:15] <thisfred> 2. the admin users are being written to the ini and we inherit them.
[14:15] <thisfred> 2. I just thought of
[14:15] <aquarius> they're talking to your *system* couchdb? on 5984? that's wildly ungood.
[14:15] <thisfred> aquarius: that would be one option, but I don't see how
[14:15] <aquarius> does your system couchdb have all the test-created databses in them?
[14:15] <aquarius> in it?
[14:17] <thisfred> aquarius: my system couch isn't running. Since I don't think I have the right to shut it down if it is, I think we can assume 2.
[14:17] <thisfred> which is bad, but less surprising:
[14:18] <aquarius> the admin users aren't being written to the ini that couch is reading, though; we specifically start it up with an ini parameter
[14:18] <thisfred> user accounts should not be part of an .ini file, especially when they are chainable for different databases. But maybe we are just using the chaining weirdly
[14:18] <aquarius> pointing at XDG/desktop-couch/desktop-couch.ini
[14:18] <aquarius> ah, man, it doesn't chain to the ones in /etc, does it?
[14:18] <thisfred> aquarius: yeah I would think so.
[14:18] <thisfred> aquarius: I'd hope not, but I'm not sure
[14:18] <thisfred> it's the only explanation I can think of
[14:19] <thisfred> I'm starting a master couch
[14:20] <thisfred> aquarius: and verily, I cannot create a database there either
[14:20] <thisfred> unchain my couch, Joe Cocker!
[14:20] <aquarius> puzzled
[14:22] <statik> aquarius, dobey: is this still a real bug? i know dobey is swamped, is this one we could dump on aquarius? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/376087
[14:23] <thisfred> aquarius: the way we run couchdb, with the chaining command, a user in the system couch, becomes a user everywhere, at least for admins
[14:23] <aquarius> thisfred, ok, that's bad. How do we make it not chain? I didn't realise it always chained to /etc ini files
[14:23] <aquarius> we need to not do that
[14:24] <thisfred> I did not either, and never considered in combination with the fact that non configuration stuff is dumped in the ini. That's not such great practice...
[14:24] <thisfred> aquarius: will start asking on #couchdb, where they love me with great love ;)
[14:25] <aquarius> statik, if it's still a real bug (it is a most confusing bug report!) then I'm happy to take it. dobey, is it still a real bug?
[14:27]  * CardinalFang gets breakfast
[14:30] <dobey> is what a what?
[14:30] <dobey> oh UnknownLoginError
[14:30] <dobey> yes
[14:31] <dobey> particularly when the cert verification or host lookup/connection fails
[14:32] <urbanape> morning u1ers
[14:33] <aquarius> dobey, what's the suggested solution?
[14:33] <thisfred> aquarius: I am 100% sure my analysis of the behavior is correct: deleting the admin users from /etc/couchdb/local.ini (note the *local*) fixes everything
[14:34] <aquarius> thisfred, so, we need to make DC startup pass --dont-chain-ini-files-unless-i-tell-you-to to the couchdb executable. Except I don't know if there is such an option
[14:34] <thisfred> aquarius: I think we should take out chaining, while we let the couch devs think of how they want to solve this
[14:34] <thisfred> aquarius: we explicitly chain, we don't have to
[14:34] <thisfred> aquarius: we can just generate the whole ini file ourselves
[14:34] <aquarius> there is no reason, none, why chaining is a good idea, although we might need to boost our ini file writer to include some of the stuff in default.ini
[14:34] <dobey> aquarius: not sure. for the cert validation, it would be nice if the certs we use for the storage protocol were used for that as well
[14:35] <thisfred> aquarius: right. I'll file a bug then. And start on it, since this seems like it would be a good idea to solve
[14:35] <dobey> aquarius: and for failures, it would be nice to not bunch everything together as "UnknownLoginError" but propagate the errors up somehow
[14:36] <dobey> although i'd also like to not use pycurl, and instead use urllib2 or something, so we can reduce the number of http libraries we need/use
[14:36] <aquarius> dobey, hang on, there's two sorts of fixes possible -- the first is to make the unknownloginerror not occur (by checking certs, etc), and the second is to handle login problems in some better user-visible way. Which were you planning on doing? both?
[14:36] <aquarius> it uses pycurl because nothing else does cert checking, if I remember correctly
[14:36] <dobey> aquarius: i think we need to do both. i don't know how to do the cert checking though
[14:37] <dobey> well, pycurl does it automatically, but doesn't use our certs to check against
[14:37] <aquarius> anyway, I have assigned the bug to me
[14:37] <aquarius> hooray
[14:37] <aquarius> haven't hacked on u1fs for a while...
[14:37] <dobey> i think you can do it with urllib2 now, but you have to write your own class thingy to do it
[14:37] <aquarius> ah, ok. I might ask you about that when I get to this bug :)
[14:37] <dobey> which we'll need to do for supporting proxies as well
[14:38] <aquarius> why is it so hard to say "get this URL"? grr
[14:38] <dobey> unless there's some way to make pycurl do proxies and cert validation easily
[14:38] <aquarius> don't know. I'll look at that when I look at the bug -- certainly I'd like to remove the pycurl dependency if I can
[14:39] <dobey> yeah. i don't know enough about it currently to just go fix it, and i've been sacked with other critical/major issues, which i can fix :)
[14:40] <aquarius> *nod* :)
[14:42] <statik> dobey, are you still waiting on icons/emblems from someone?
[14:44] <dobey> statik: afaik, design team is supposed to be drawing some
[14:45] <statik> dobey, thats what i thought. can you file a bug for me in ubuntuone-client with the brief list of exactly what the deliverables are, and I will add the icon for the desktopcouch pairing tool and go hunting for our images?
[14:46] <statik> since we have like one day left to integrate them before UI freeze
[14:46] <dobey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/KarmicClient#Icons Needed
[14:51] <statik> perfect, i'll take it from there
[14:52] <statik> aquarius, can this bug be closed or punted to after karmic or something? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet/+bug/399687
[14:52] <statik> stupid privacy
[14:52]  * statik makes the bug public
[14:52] <aquarius> statik, it's going to have to be punted until after karmic
[14:52] <statik> thats a deal sir
[14:52] <aquarius> we're not going to get a dbus api in before karmic
[14:52] <aquarius> so it slips. Sorry.
[14:54] <statik> we got the python api
[14:54] <statik> i'm more worried about getting replication working with the cloud than about the dbus api, so no fuss there
[14:54] <aquarius> and C, and ideally JS. D-Bus was there so people could call it from any language they wanted
[14:55] <aquarius> but writing bindings isn't that hard
[14:55] <dobey> uhm
[14:55] <dobey> welllll
[14:55] <dobey> technically speaking, we do have a dbus API :)
[14:55] <aquarius> ?
[14:56] <rodrigo_> yeah, getPort() and quit() :D
[14:56] <statik> we've got some dbus, but i didn't think it exposed the contacts methods
[14:56] <dobey> evolution-data-server has an API that lots of things are already using
[14:56] <aquarius> heh
[14:56] <dobey> so install evolution-couchdb, set it as your default store in evolution, and et voila!
[14:56] <rodrigo_> well, right, and it's moving to dbus for 2.29
[14:57] <dobey> oh, i thought e-d-s was already dbus
[14:57] <dobey> it's still orbit?
[14:57] <rodrigo_> no, the patch was merged in trunk, but 2.28 was already branched
[14:57] <rodrigo_> yeah, good old orbit :)
[15:02] <jblount> oh gosh!
[15:02] <dobey> oh well
[15:02] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:02] <jblount> You know the drill! Do it!
[15:02] <jblount> me
[15:03] <teknico> me
[15:03] <statik> me
[15:03] <rodrigo_> me
[15:03] <urbanape> me
[15:03] <dobey> me
[15:03] <aquarius> me
[15:04] <statik> i have a quick announcement before jblount starts us off, is that ok jblount?
[15:04] <jblount> statik: :)
[15:04] <statik> ANNOUNCEMENT: As we are hurtling toward karmic release, we need to start saying 'not until after karmic' to more work. Please, refuse to work on anything that does not have a bug tagged with ubuntuone-karmic. If you are doing work that is not on a bug on that list, either stop doing the work or talk to me to get the tag added. Every day that goes by I will be more aggressively removing work from the ubuntuone-karmic list, because we *will*
[15:04] <statik>  be shipping on time even if it means ripping out features. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic  Next Karmic release deadline is User Interface freeze on September 10th, which means new icons/UI tweaks MUST be uploaded by september 9th.
[15:05] <statik> at the daily standup I want to start reporting progress in terms of driving that bug list to zero
[15:05] <statik> we'll see how it goes :)
[15:05]  * statik hands the baton back to jblount
[15:05] <jblount> DONE: Lost in a sea of mockups, trying to sort out tabs stuff
[15:05] <jblount> TODO: punt on some ui stuff so I can push the tabs in the next 60 minutes, reviews, reviews, reviews
[15:05] <jblount> BLOCKED: Indecision on artistic direction
[15:05]  * jblount tags teknico
[15:06] <teknico> DONE: implemented the details view for the new contacts web ui, made even more improvements to the creation of contacts for testing, did some reviews
[15:06] <teknico> TODO: talking with jblount about the new contacts web ui, implementing adding and editing contacts
[15:06] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:06] <teknico> next: statik
[15:06] <statik> DONE: Worked on the GreatDomainMove. Planning for Karmic+1 UDS, lots of bug herding.
[15:06] <statik> TODO: Work with Chipaca on packaging next couchdb snapshot. Work on domain move.
[15:06] <statik> BLCK: not-blocked-just-yet but anxiously awaiting versions of desktopcouch, bindwood and couchdb-glib which use oauth by default. Need icons, will chase today.
[15:06] <statik> rodrigo_, et tu
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Added OAuth support to evo-couchdb, and lots of testing
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Start upstream discussion for adding social services accounts config to about-me. Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Propose couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb for GNOME 2.29. Store UUIDs for postal addresses. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. More tomboy syncing fixes.  Sigh.
[15:06] <urbanape> TODO: Ibid, most likely.
[15:06] <urbanape> BLOCK: I keep thinking I'm not blocked, but evidently, I'm having a hard time degbugging these issues. Wouldn't mind a pair.
[15:06] <urbanape> dobey: Your turn
[15:06] <dobey> ⚜ DONE: Fixed server to use python-oauth, got python-oauth built on hardy
[15:06] <dobey> ⚜ TODO: Reviews, Fix client/protocol to use python-oauth
[15:06] <dobey> ⚜ BLCK: None.
[15:06] <dobey> aquarius: avast me hearty!
[15:06] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: nothing got finished yesterday. nothing. I suck.
[15:06] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: allow unpairing of servers (bug #419975), although that's not tagged for karmic so I shall stop, or do desktopcouch bugs not get the tag?
[15:06] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED: none
[15:06] <aquarius> ⚂ BUG COUNT: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 3
[15:07] <statik> aquarius, we need to add the tag for that
[15:07] <aquarius> ah, OK, I'll carry on working on it then :)
[15:08] <aquarius> I only have 3 bugs at the moment, which is nice, although I suspect there will be more
[15:08] <jblount> MEETING ENDS (I think)
[15:08] <CardinalFang> crap!
[15:08] <rodrigo_> statik: I've got some bugs I think should have the tag also (tomboy notes stuff, and oauth for couchdb-glib), giving you the #s in 1 minute for you to double check
[15:08] <aquarius> tag added
[15:08]  * jblount re opens the meeting and hugs CardinalFang
[15:09] <aquarius> oh, and I'm going to the dentist in 20 minutes, because my life is just that great
[15:09] <statik> thanks everyone! rodrigo_, can you mark the bugs for your tomboy sync work and couchdb-glib work as 'also affects project' and tag them with ubuntuone-karmic?
[15:09] <rodrigo_> statik: ok
[15:10] <statik> also affects project 'ubunet' is fine I think
[15:11] <statik> urbanape, i'm already booked for today or i would pair with you on the js stuff. maybe teknico could peek at some of it with you?
[15:11] <aquarius> statik, also affects project?
[15:11] <aquarius> i thought ubunet was going awya
[15:12] <urbanape> appreciate it, statik
[15:12] <CardinalFang> DONE: D-c replication to U1, committed, needs review.  (Code assumes name change, couchdb exists there, db-name-account-mapping is implemented).
[15:12] <dobey> i wish someone would split up all the server components into separate projects
[15:12] <dobey> ode to the day!
[15:12] <teknico> urbanape, statik, sure
[15:12] <CardinalFang> TODO: Clean up replication and pairing code.
[15:12] <statik> aquarius: well, it'll be renamed maybe one day after karmic. but it still holds our server code. if a bug needs an upload to karmic, then the bug task needs to be in ubuntu (sourcepackage). If we make a bug task also show up in one of the ubuntuone projects, then we can easily see it in that big list
[15:12] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None.
[15:12] <dobey> but i am NOT doing it
[15:13] <statik> dobey, no worries, i think you've done enough renames to get out of them forever :)
[15:13] <urbanape> teknico, if you'd like, you can pull my code from lp:~urbanape/bindwood/using-oauth
[15:13] <aquarius> statik, ah, ok, rodrigo needs to do that because the bugs are not on a project which is already part of ubuntu one. got it
[15:13] <teknico> urbanape, ok
[15:13] <urbanape> I'd be happy to chat through my current issues with you.
[15:13] <urbanape> here, privmsg, or skype
[15:14] <CardinalFang> TODO also: Implement second half of un-pairing code in replication daemon.  (There's a good rationale for this.)
[15:14] <jblount> Is there an easy way to tell if a bzr branch is a shared repo? lp:ubunet branches are taking ages to pull down.
[15:15] <statik> aquarius, we have to do the same with desktopcouch; if we need an upload then we need to do 'also affects distribution', select ubuntu and the sourcepackage 'desktopcouch', then nominate the bug for karmic. then the platform team decides whether the nomination is accepted. if the bug is medium importance and accepted for ubuntu, it means that it 'may' be uploaded. if it is critical or high importance and accepted for ubuntu and targeted to
[15:15] <statik>  a milestone, it means that the bug will prevent the release from happening until it is fixed
[15:16] <statik> jblount, i'm really happy to hear tabs are showing up soon
[15:16] <statik> jblount, have you spoken on the phone with john lea yet?
[15:17] <jblount> statik: Nope, should I?
[15:17] <CardinalFang> aquarius, speaking of this, do you mind not marking the un-paired records as deleted?  The d-c view code these days should omit records marked as deleted.
[15:17] <aquarius> CardinalFang, huh?
[15:17] <statik> jblount: yes, give him a call this morning if you can. he works in london on the design team and is assigned 100% to our team. he will be happy to discuss artistic directiony stuff with you
[15:17] <aquarius> CardinalFang, what shoudl I do instead?
[15:17] <teknico> urbanape, done, wanna try skype?
[15:18] <CardinalFang> aquarius, Add some attribute that says it's dead or something.  I'll delete it when it's truly unused for anything.
[15:18] <teknico> my skype id is teknico.net
[15:19] <aquarius> CardinalFang, have to go to the dentist now. drop me a mail with what you want me to do?
[15:19] <CardinalFang> aquarius, Roger.
[15:19]  * jblount scowls at the dentist. All of them.
[15:19] <teknico> scowling is overrated
[15:20]  * CardinalFang tries not to make a dentistry & England joke.
[15:21] <dobey> heh
[15:21] <CardinalFang> It is a pretty brutal profession, though.  Boy! I can't wait until we discover Medicine.
[15:22] <CardinalFang> It's probably another 10 years off, though.
[15:22] <urbanape> teknico, sure. I'm 'urbanape'
[15:23] <dobey> CardinalFang: like working technology
[15:30] <CardinalFang> dobey, No, we're always doomed for that.  We stop calling things "technology" when they are mature.
[15:30] <CardinalFang> There will always be a bleeding edge somewhere.  When it was the wheel, we complained about that.
[15:32] <dobey> computers are a hundred years old and still don't work!
[15:36] <CardinalFang> Your computers in your calculator, microwave, thermostat, car -- all work.  Computers on Pioneer 10 are probably still working.  The bleeding edge sucks, as always.
[15:45] <jblount> CardinalFang: This is a very interesting way to look at things. I'm glad you mentione dit.
[15:45] <jblount> or it.
[15:45] <thisfred> jan____: when you have a second, me and jdo have a question or two about authentication plugins :)
[15:46]  * jdo immediately thinks 'dit' is something cool he is missing out on
[15:47] <ditfred> jdo: dit == this in dutch
[15:48] <CardinalFang> :)
[15:48] <dobey> what's fred in dutch?
[15:48] <jblount> dobey: Eric
[15:48] <ditfred> majesteit ;)
[15:48] <dobey> lies
[15:48] <ditfred> indeed
[15:48] <jdo> hehe
[15:48] <ditfred> caught
[15:49]  * jdo wishes he would have gone to the nice coffe house on the beach this morning
[15:49] <thisfred> actually it would be dezefred, as dit is neuter
[15:49] <dobey> jdo: no hurricane this week?
[15:49]  * thisfred just received "Welcome to the United States: A Guide for New Immigrants"
[15:50] <thisfred> yay!
[15:50] <jblount> :)
[15:50] <dobey> thisfred: does it say "You really have to try the fish." ?
[15:50] <CardinalFang> Ha!
[15:50] <thisfred> don't drink the water ;)
[15:51] <thisfred> nothing on where to pick up my gun
[15:52] <thisfred> maybe that's only when you become a citizen
[15:52] <CardinalFang> Huh!  You should have received one with the pamphlet.
[15:52] <thisfred> you'd think
[15:53] <dobey> mail fraud is such a huge problem in this country
[15:53] <CardinalFang> Reminds me of a bar in college.  We joked that they searched you for knives when you entered, and if you didn't have one, they issued you one.
[16:28]  * aquarius returns
[16:28] <aquarius> my teeth hurt.
[16:28] <CardinalFang> alright, I have two desktopcouch merge proposals.
[16:28] <aquarius> stupid dentist
[16:29] <urbanape> anyone know if couch recently got picky about the body of json request?
[16:29] <urbanape> we're sending this:
[16:29] <urbanape> Bindwood: Query body: {"language":"javascript","map":"(function (doc) {if (doc.application_annotations && doc.application_annotations.Firefox && doc.application_annotations.Firefox.uuid) {emit(doc.application_annotations.Firefox.uuid, doc);}})"}
[16:30] <urbanape> do those ampersands need to be escaped?
[16:30] <aquarius> no. ampersands don't need escaping inside a string
[16:30] <urbanape> that's what's kicking back invalid_json
[16:30] <urbanape> I didn't think so
[16:32] <aquarius> that json isn't invalid. Odd.
[16:33] <urbanape> and helpful errors:
[16:33] <urbanape> Bindwood: Error querying couch:  message: 'undefined', reason: '', description: 'undefined', error: 'invalid_json'
[16:34] <aquarius> weird. Can you replicate the problem with, say, curl on the command line?
[16:34] <aquarius> (although it's oauthed, of course)
[16:35] <aquarius> (also, you can create design docs on teh filesystem rather than doing it from code, but don't worry about that for now)
[16:36] <aquarius> CardinalFang, do you think the unpairing bug (bug #424386) that you filed is a karmic blocker?
[16:37] <CardinalFang> aquarius, hrm.  It's embarassing, but not severe.
[16:38] <aquarius> I don't understand what the second part of "For finding pairings, the pairing tool must ignore records that have {'unpaired'=True} set, and for new pairings, must remove any records that have {'unpaired'=True} ." means
[16:39] <CardinalFang> aquarius, you show things that can be unpaired, yes?  If you find one of those records, do no show its entry as unpairable again.
[16:40] <aquarius> CardinalFang, ah...that's problematic.
[16:40] <aquarius> CardinalFang, because what if you change your mind
[16:41] <CardinalFang> Then you may pair it again, I suppose.
[16:41] <aquarius> there are three states: I am paired (record exists), I am not paired (record does not exist), I want to be not paired but it hasn't happened yet (record exists with unpaired:True)
[16:42] <aquarius> ah, so I can show it as pairable again, that's fair. So when you choose a server to pair with, I need to check whether it has an unpaired:true record already
[16:42] <aquarius> I need to draw myself a flowchart or something for this :)
[16:43] <CardinalFang> Good point.  Yes.  Create or update existing to remove "unpaired" attribute.
[16:43] <aquarius> gotcha. I'm going to restructure the code I've got.
[16:44] <aquarius> (because there's also "is this a cloud server", since cloud servers don't get unpaired:true, they just get the record deleted straight away)
[16:51] <CardinalFang> Right.
[16:52] <CardinalFang> aquarius, is there a bug to describe the u1 couchdb replication stuff?
[16:52] <aquarius> which replication stuff?
[16:52] <CardinalFang> Like, local db names are mapped __ thusly.
[16:52] <CardinalFang> I have it written, just trying to link work to bugs.
[16:53] <CardinalFang> I don't want statik yelling at me.
[16:53] <aquarius> ah. No, I don't think so
[17:00] <urbanape> utter frustration
[17:00] <urbanape> computing the correct headers and passing in the same request from curl gets me the info.
[17:00] <urbanape> argle and/or bargle
[17:01] <CardinalFang> urbanape, can you capture what's going out via wireshark, and compare/retry via curl?
[17:09] <urbanape> I'll give that a try. I tried to recreate from as much of what I'm logging as possible, but it's likely there's something else twiddling it along the way.
[17:15] <urbanape> hmm, doesn't find my interfaces. Probably a VMware issue.
[17:19] <urbanape> ah, just needed to sudo it
[17:23] <CardinalFang> thisfred, Oh, with your "Welcome to the US" pamphlet, you did get a coupon for a jar of peanut-butter, right?
[17:27] <urbanape> weird. capturing on any interface, I don't see my Bindwood traffic. Nor do I see the CLI curl request.
[17:30] <CardinalFang> urbanape, through Wifi, perhaps?
[17:31] <urbanape> well, wireshark is set to capture on any network interface
[17:31] <urbanape> I'll bet it's a VMware thing.
[17:33] <CardinalFang> Ah, yeah.  That is it.  What's your host OS?  It should see it.
[17:34] <thisfred> CardinalFang: no coupons. :(
[17:35] <urbanape> CardinalFang, Mac OS X
[17:36] <urbanape> even if all the traffic is local to the guest? localhost requests.
[17:36] <CardinalFang> What the hell?!  How are we supposed to acclimate new people without introducing them to peanut butter?  This is a dire social issue.
[17:37] <CardinalFang> Actually, I don't know that .nl doesn't have peanut butter.  Does it. thisfred?
[17:42] <thisfred> CardinalFang: yes. Thicker and less sweet, on the whole.
[17:43] <thisfred> it's called pindakaas, (peanut cheese)
[17:43] <dobey> CardinalFang: i think they replaced the peanut butter ones, with corn syrup ones
[17:43] <CardinalFang> thisfred, Ah.  The sweetness bothers me too.  The mfr 'Jif' makes one with little sugar added.
[17:43] <thisfred> I've found some good ones that don't have too much sugaer
[17:44] <thisfred> right have the jif  one now
[17:44] <aquarius> OK, off to see my daughter. Will try and be around a bit over the weeekend. TTFN, all
[17:44] <dobey> CardinalFang: if you get the 'organic' ones, they're more accurate
[17:44] <thisfred> Very good with eagle/goose/rooster brand chili sauce
[17:44] <thisfred> aquarius: have a good weekend
[17:44] <CardinalFang> I just had a peanut-butter and hot-chili-jelly sandwich.
[17:45] <dobey> thisfred: you should come down to southern va one day and experience The True South (TM)
[17:45] <thisfred> dobey: I would love to!
[17:46] <thisfred> ALthough I hold that MD is below the Mason Dixon line, and shows it
[17:46] <dobey> that's because the line is more of a bell curve
[17:46] <CardinalFang> thisfred, yes, come visit.
[17:46] <dobey> and you're in baltimore
[17:46] <adelie42> Does ubuntuone require an explicit firewall rule? I have ubuntuone installed on two computers, one running jaunty, the other karmic, and neither of them are syncing, though both applets says "Your files are up to date". There is an 'x' on the applet, and selecting "connect" doesn't appear to do anything. Any help?
[17:47] <dobey> which is less like maryland than the rest of maryland
[17:47] <thisfred> One of my neighbours grew up in Florida, and she said MD has more of a  Southern feel
[17:47]  * CardinalFang nods.
[17:47] <dobey> adelie42: are you using a proxy?
[17:47] <jblount> thisfred: Florida, at least central and south, are much more tropical than southern.
[17:47] <thisfred> right. Also nice1
[17:47] <thisfred> !
[17:47] <dobey> thisfred: well, florida is definitely NOT The South (TM)
[17:47] <thisfred> cuban pork sammiches, come highly recommended. Must try
[17:48] <adelie42> dobey: I do not specify a proxy for any internet applications.
[17:48] <CardinalFang> adelie42, You shouldn't need anything unusual, generally speaking.
[17:48] <dobey> adelie42: you never got a firefox/whateveryourbrowseris window asking you to "add this computer"?
[17:49] <adelie42> dobey: no
[17:49] <dobey> adelie42: does "grep UnknownLoginError ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log" show anything?
[17:49] <dobey> thisfred: you should totally come down this weekend
[17:50] <adelie42> dobey appears null
[17:50] <adelie42> dobey: no output
[17:50] <thisfred> dobey: we don't have a car yet, and we're dog "shopping" this weekend. As well as futon shopping.
[17:51] <thisfred> Can I get there by amtrak? That would rock.
[17:51] <dobey> thisfred: yeah, you can take Amtrak to Newport News, and I can pick you up at the train station
[17:52] <thisfred> sounds cool, I love riding trains
[17:52] <dobey> well, except i am hoping to sell my only car that would be sufficient for that, tomorrow :)
[17:52] <thisfred> dobey: hehe, well no hurry
[17:52] <dobey> thisfred: but Afr'Am Festival is this weekend in Norfolk
[17:52] <CardinalFang> thisfred, being a train in the US, I think you have to help pedal.
[17:52] <thisfred> I don't mind :)
[17:53] <thisfred> dobey: oh cool. But this weekend is really not gonna work. I *will* make it down there though. It can be the 3rd state I visit :)
[17:53] <thisfred> well technically the 5th or 6th if you count airports
[17:54] <dobey> heh
[17:55] <adelie42> dobey: UbuntuOne connects via tcp, of course, right? Cause if so, wireshark is showing no traffic generated generated when I click the connect button
[17:56] <dobey> yes of course
[17:56] <dobey> adelie42: you should have at least seen an https connection to ubuntuone.com, because it requested an oauth request token
[17:57] <thisfred> wow, it's not cheap though. $73 each way
[17:57] <dobey> adelie42: but apparently your browser is failing to launch or something.
[17:57] <dobey> thisfred: yeah we don't really use trains in the US
[17:57] <CardinalFang> adelie42:   $ ps x |grep ubuntuon[e]
[17:58] <adelie42> dobey: he he, I just killed the applet, and tried running UbuntuOne from the application->internet menu item, and it took me to the authorization page asking me to authorize ubuntuone to connect to my account.
[17:59] <CardinalFang> dobey, are you reviewing today?
[17:59] <thisfred> dobey: I used to have an all public transport all the time pass in NL, that was awesome (expensive, but awesome) I'd expect I'd pay the same there for a 5 and a half hour trip, except I'd be almost out the other side of germany by then ;)
[17:59] <dobey> adelie42: interesting
[17:59] <dobey> CardinalFang: sadly yes
[17:59] <CardinalFang> Don't be sad!  I have two branches to give you!
[17:59] <dobey> yes, sad :)
[17:59] <adelie42> dobey: and now they are sync'd. *shrug* Thanks for helping me rule some things out there.
[18:00] <dobey> hrmm, airtran is stupid and doesn't map a route for BWI->PHF
[18:00] <dobey> how silly
[18:00] <urbanape> lunch, and then more kicking and screaming
[18:00] <dobey> is Inside Edition coming back after lunch?
[18:00] <urbanape> not if I'm lucky.
[18:01] <urbanape> If I'm lucky, they'll find more celebrity gossip and despair to settle on.
[18:01] <adelie42> dobey: Hmm.. I think what went wrong was that when I installed UbuntuOne, Google Chrome was my default browser which wasn't very happy with the UbuntuOne page, and I switched over to firefox as default, but didn't think to restart the applet.
[18:01] <CardinalFang> That would do it.
[18:02] <CardinalFang> Maybe the client applet should reopen the browser with every click before it's authorized.
[18:02] <dobey> adelie42: hrmm, you shouldn't have to
[18:02] <dobey> CardinalFang: it does
[18:03]  * CardinalFang boggles.
[18:03] <dobey> or rather, it should
[18:03] <dobey> if it's not, it's a bug
[18:03] <leonel> Service Temporarily Unavailable <-- this when uploading a file  on the browser ..
[18:03] <CardinalFang> adelie42, what did it do for you? ^
[18:03] <adelie42> It seems at least noteworthy enough for a bug report, and I think I have enough data to actually write a good report
[18:04] <dobey> i think the problem is that the oauthdesktop temp web server isn't timing out soon enough, and so oauthdesktop stays in the "currently doing the auth" phase
[18:04] <CardinalFang> adelie42, That would be great.  Thank you!
[18:05] <leonel> dobey:  bug reported  424388
[18:05] <adelie42> CardinalFang: Basically, Chrome has its own special BSOD when it detects that it can't render a page correctly which was what was displayed when UbuntuOne tried to do its little authorization thing. After that, trying to connect when I changed default browsers did nothing
[18:06] <jan____> thisfred: hi
[18:06] <dobey> leonel: cool, thanks
[18:07] <dobey> adelie42: yeah please file a bug :)
[18:07] <adelie42> dobey: Happy to help  :)
[18:09] <adelie42> oh, and to anyone that cares, Karmic is looking VERY nice. I put some time into Jaunty, but unfortunately not this release. It is looking really impressive, and can hardly wait to see some of the stabilization.
[18:10] <thisfred> jan____: hi
[18:10] <thisfred> jan____: I think jdo got some answers from adam already
[18:10]  * CardinalFang wishes all users were like adelie42.
[18:11] <jan____> kool
[18:11] <jan____> er
[18:11] <jan____> cool
[18:11] <thisfred> kohl
[18:12] <thisfred> jan____: I do have a very weird admin problem though. See #couchdb if you're not completely maxed out (I know I'm silly for even asking that ;)
[18:15] <jan____> thisfred: today is bad :)
[18:15] <thisfred> yeah, np, I'll ask couchdb-user first
[18:15] <jan____> k :)
[18:41] <adelie42> CardinalFang: (had to run an errand) Honestly, I think one of the coolest parts of Linux is the opportunity to be a part of it. Thanks  :)
[19:00] <dobey> CardinalFang: poke
[19:03] <CardinalFang> dobey, hey!
[19:04] <dobey> CardinalFang: can we not put the hostname in a config file somewhere?
[19:04] <dobey> CardinalFang: or look it up via SRV record?
[19:05] <CardinalFang> dobey, Oh, of Ubuntu One?  Hrm, yes, probably.
[19:05] <dobey> yeah
[19:05] <CardinalFang> I know almost nothing of SRV recoreds yet.
[19:05] <dobey> because if i approve/land your branch now, it's not going to work :)
[19:05] <CardinalFang> dobey, I still need a domain to search within, yes?  That's changing, too.
[19:06] <CardinalFang> dobey, I don't think there' any thing listening at U1 anyway, yet, right?
[19:07] <dobey> CardinalFang: i don't know. but what about connecting to edge instead?
[19:07] <dobey> CardinalFang: how do i configure it to do that? :)
[19:07] <dobey> or does it handle redirects correctly already?
[19:07] <CardinalFang> Configure?  If you're a user, you don't configure hostname at all.
[19:07] <dobey> if it handles redirects we can do magic on the server i think
[19:51] <adelie42> Quick question, hopefully. How do you do an ubuntu-minimal install via a live CD?
[19:52] <CardinalFang> adelie42, Hrm, #ubuntu might have an answer.
[19:52] <dobey> yeah, no idea
[19:53] <dobey> no need for minimal installs here :)
[19:54] <adelie42> Figure. Thanks  :)
[19:56]  * CardinalFang takes a break.
[20:36] <haggisbasheruk> hi joshuahoover
[20:37] <joshuahoover> hi haggisbasheruk
[20:48] <trothigar> hi dobey
[20:48] <dobey> hi trothigar
[20:49] <trothigar> dobey, I'm having severe ubuntuone problems, it seems to have downloaded about ~500mb yet only 10.6mb appear in Ubuntu One. Is there any way to clear out my ubuntuone account?
[20:50] <dobey> trothigar: you mean du -sh ~/Ubuntu One shows only about 10.6M?
[20:50] <dobey> trothigar: do other people have folders shared with you to amount to that 500M?
[20:53] <andrew> Curious, what are the triggers for ubuntuone to upload and download/sync?
[20:54] <dobey> andrew: changing files in the ubuntu one directory (as it listens for file system events)
[20:54] <statik> inotify
[20:54] <dobey> andrew: disconnect/reconnect
[20:54] <dobey> andrew: and i don't know what exactly triggers a server rescan, other than reconnecting
[20:54] <dobey> but soon there should be notifications from the server too
[20:55] <dobey> ni hao statik
[20:55] <statik> ni hao dobey, sha shing long
[20:55] <trothigar> dobey, du shows 22mb and I don't believe anyone has shared any folders with me ever.
[20:56] <dobey> i don't think it downloaded 500M then?
[20:56] <dobey> where did you get that figure from?
[21:00] <andrew> I tryed putting a few files in the folder today and kept checking the web interface for the files, they never showed up
[21:05] <dobey> andrew: i never said it was bug free :)
[21:07] <dobey> andrew: please file bugs if it's not working as expected :)
[21:07] <haggisbasheruk> andrew: disconnect/reconnect and try again
[21:08] <haggisbasheruk> try logging in/out
[21:14] <andrew> dobey: will test later, ended up using the web interface to upload for now (didn't have time to mess with it too much)
[21:15] <andrew> Also (will report bug when I get a chance, probably next week as i'm heading out of town soon), is it normal that the applet icon disapears? (perhaps it's already been reported)
[21:25] <haggisbasheruk> yes but you can change that in the applet properties andrew
[21:25] <haggisbasheruk> change icon to show always
[21:25] <andrew> How do I do that?
[21:26] <haggisbasheruk> run ubuntuone again from menu then right click on icon
[21:26] <haggisbasheruk> goto preferencies
[21:27] <andrew> I click it, but it's still not showing
[21:27] <haggisbasheruk> then click dropdown for show icon and change to always
[21:27] <andrew> what dropdown?
[21:27] <dobey> andrew: click "Disconnect" inside the Ubuntu One folder in nautilus, and it will re-appear
[21:28] <haggisbasheruk> have you got icon on taskbar now ?
[21:28] <dobey> andrew: there is a Preferences... menu item when you right-click on the applet
[21:28] <haggisbasheruk> yup what dobey said
[21:29] <andrew> I just went and killed the u1 processes, then reopened it. I also don't see any 'disconnect' (or anything similar) in the ubuntu one folder in nautilus
[21:29] <haggisbasheruk> though i am in a custon cli / lxde install and run pcman filemanager so i duno the nautilus details :)
[21:30] <dobey> have you logged out and back in ever since you installed the client? :)
[21:30] <andrew> actually, probably not
[21:31] <andrew> killed and restarted nautilus, I see the bar now
[21:31] <andrew> i wonder if that's why it wasn't updating
[21:33] <andrew> I'm guess I'm not used to having to logout/back in when I install a new program
[21:34] <haggisbasheruk> dobey, with the open folder on the applet menu , does that open /home/$USER/Ubuntu One in nautilus  ? if so i need to make a request that we have an option in prefs for other file managers like pcman
[21:36] <dobey> haggisbasheruk: it calls "xdg-open $thatpath"
[21:36] <dobey> haggisbasheruk: so it should work with whatever filemanager you are using, so long as your desktop is doing the xdg spec stuff for that to work
[21:37] <haggisbasheruk> i'll need to look into that then :) thanks dobey
[21:43] <haggisbasheruk> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/home/haggisbasheruk/Ubuntu One/" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[21:43] <haggisbasheruk> Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/octet-stream"
[21:43] <haggisbasheruk> any ideas how to fix this dobey ?
[21:56] <dobey> haggisbasheruk: hrmm, no
[21:57] <haggisbasheruk> ahh , just wondering , i'll figure it out , was being lazy lol
[23:40] <CardinalFang> Have a nice weekend, all.
[23:40] <CardinalFang> No work on Moon Day, many of you.
[23:40] <CardinalFang> Laters.
[23:42] <trothigar> is there a way to delete folders from ubuntuone without using nautilus?


[07:16] <qiyong> what tool is used to configure the NIC besides ifconfig?
[08:22] <shawarma> qiyong: What are you trying to do?
[08:22] <qiyong> shawarma, configure nic
[08:22] <shawarma> qiyong: So use ifconfig?
[08:22] <qiyong> i expect some tool to store conf somewhere
[08:22] <qiyong> shawarma, ^
[08:23] <shawarma> shawarma: You probably want to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:23] <shawarma> qiyong: ^^
[08:23] <qiyong> btw, i noticed a bug of linux ifconfig shawarma
[08:24] <shawarma> qiyong: ifup/ifdown reads that file and uses ifconfig to configure your nic.
[08:24] <qiyong> shawarma,  the first time you ifconfig ip/number it doesn't get the netmask and broadcast right. the subsequent ifconfig ip/number can get it right
[08:26] <shawarma> qiyong: Could you give an example?
[08:27] <qiyong> # ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>/28
[08:27] <qiyong> # ifconfig eth1
[08:27] <qiyong> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:18:8B:F8:A0:9D
[08:27] <qiyong>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:27] <qiyong> # ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>/28
[08:27] <qiyong> # ifconfig eth1
[08:27] <qiyong> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:18:8B:F8:A0:9D
[08:27] <qiyong>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:27] <qiyong> shawarma, see, the first try doesn't get it right, the second does
[08:30] <shawarma> Hm... I didn't even know you could use CIDR notation.
[08:31] <shawarma> qiyong: Could you file a bug on launchpad about that?
[08:31] <Pumpernickel> What'd the time delay between each of those commands?
[08:32] <qiyong> shawarma, i was tryping to find the net-tools official site to report to htem
[08:32] <qiyong> s/htem/them/
[08:32] <qiyong> shawarma, cidr?
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> qiyong, using /28
[08:33] <shawarma> qiyong: Yeah, ip_address/number_of_ones_in_the_netmask
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ip/mask
[08:36] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser, what cidr stands for?
[08:36] <coNP> Classless Inter-Domain Routing, I guess
[08:38] <qiyong> i don't realise any relations between ip/mask and cidr coNP
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> qiyong, the format <IP_ADDRESS>/28 is called cidr
[08:38] <coNP> qiyong: I did not see your original question just answered what CIDR stands for
[03:20] <ivoks> hi
[04:04] <shawarma> hi, ivoks.
[04:04] <ivoks> i saw your post
[04:04] <bkudria> is php5(-cgi) in feisty compiled with fastcgi support?
[04:05] <ivoks> shawarma: mysql will be very hard to fix, since that's a design bug :)
[04:06] <ivoks> libapache2-mod-fcgid - an alternative module compat with mod_fastcgi
[04:06] <ivoks> meh... php5 :)
[04:06] <ivoks> sorry
[04:07] <bkudria> ivoks:right, that's the fcgid module.  is php4 (and 4) compiled with fastcgi support?
[04:07] <bkudria> i assume php5-cgi is, but i wanted to check
[04:07] <bkudria> i meant php5 and php4
[04:10] <shawarma> ivoks: It's not necessarily that difficult. It should be a matter of checking if the connecting user is root (system root, not mysql root) and thus grant him full privileges.
[04:10] <shawarma> ivoks: That will do away with cleartext passwords in config files and all the other questionable bits.
[04:12] <ivoks> shawarma: yeah, but sometime you want to give root access to mysql to non-root user
[04:12] <ivoks> shawarma: so fix whould check if password is empty and uid is 0
[04:12] <ivoks> shawarma: basicly, if pass is empty, only uid=0 can be mysql root
[04:13] <ivoks> otherwise, everybody can connect as root
[04:13] <shawarma> ivoks: Sure we need to give (mysql) root access to non-root users. We just want to special case the system root user.
[04:14] <ivoks> so, system root should access mysql without password, even if it is set?
[04:14] <shawarma> ivoks: Yes.
[04:14] <ivoks> ok, that's ok...
[04:14] <ivoks> then, random password for mysql root by default?
[04:15] <shawarma> ivoks: Actually, rather a disabled password.
[04:15] <ivoks> even better
[04:15] <shawarma> ivoks: Since a random password could potentially be "thepassword"
[04:15] <ivoks> right
[04:15] <shawarma> ivoks: Which is always my second guess :)
[04:15] <shawarma> (the first one being "password")
[04:15] <ivoks> but, if password is not set...
[04:16] <ivoks> does that mean 'no password'?
[04:16] <shawarma> Yes.
[04:16] <ivoks> then we are back at start :)
[04:16] <shawarma> I didn't say "no password".
[04:16] <shawarma> I said "disabled password2.
[04:16] <ivoks> right...
[04:16] <shawarma> s/2/"/
[04:16] <ivoks> my bad
[04:17] <ivoks> that's fine
[04:17] <ivoks> and result would be 'even better than by default'
[04:17] <ivoks> cause i hate to remember all those password on single machine :)
[04:19] <ivoks> with such setup, creating mysql root password would be pointless, except we want to give another user full permisions...
[04:19] <ivoks> when we want..
[04:19] <ivoks> shawarma: i like your idea :)
[04:19] <bkudria> i want to run several apache2 vhosts with php4 and php5 using fcgid. i can't seem to find any tutorials that describe the ubuntu way of doing this.  can anyone help, or point me in the right direction?
[04:21] <ivoks> bkudria: in /etc/apache2/sites-available create your vhosts file
[04:21] <bkudria> ivoks: ok.
[04:21] <ivoks> and create virtual hosts in it
[04:21] <ivoks> you know how to do that?
[04:21] <bkudria> yep :)
[04:21] <ivoks> then, after you create them
[04:22] <bkudria> a2ensite?
[04:22] <ivoks> right
[04:22] <ivoks> and... that's it
[04:22] <bkudria> what about fcgid, and php5?
[04:23] <ivoks> well, there is php5-cgi, but i don't know if it is compiled with fastcgi
[04:23] <mralphabet> I don't think it is, I looked at the module list and it doesn't list fastcgi
[04:24] <ivoks> well... this is README:
[04:24] <ivoks>    PHP for any webservers.  Our recommendation is that, if you need
[04:24] <ivoks>    to use a threaded webserver, you should use php5-cgi in either
[04:24] <ivoks>    'normal' CGI mode, or in FastCGI mode.
[04:24] <bkudria> nope, its compiled with fastcgi
[04:24] <ivoks> this is README.Debian.gz, so I guess
[04:24] <ivoks> right
[04:24] <bkudria> php5-cgi -v shows (cgi-fcgi)
[04:24] <ivoks> bkudria: it is
[04:25] <ivoks> since 2005.
[04:25] <bkudria> so,do i need to do anything other than installing it and a2enmodding it?
[04:25] <ivoks> yes
[04:25] <ivoks> write web pages :)
[04:26] <bkudria> oh, ok, i'll try testing it.
[04:26] <bkudria> now, next question
[04:27] <J_P> hi all
[04:27] <bkudria> i need php4 and php5 both running under apache, php4 for one set of vhosts, and php5 for another.  how can i do this?  how would i switch between the two?
[04:28] <ivoks> bkudria: it's possible
[04:28] <J_P> people, I have a problem :  I install ubuntu-server with RAID1, but quando machine are rebooting show this : "Stopping MD array md0...                          [ fail ]  " Anyone could help me why this ?
[04:28] <bkudria> ivoks: do you know how to do it?
[04:28] <ivoks> i have example for mod_rewrite
[04:29] <ivoks> oh, i don't :)
[04:29] <mralphabet> J_P: you reboot your machine?
[04:29] <mralphabet> J_P: ;)
[04:29] <J_P> mralphabet: yes.
[04:29] <ivoks> bkudria: load modules which you need in vhost you need
[04:30] <bkudria> ivoks: ok, i'll try that, i guess
[04:30] <bkudria> thanks
[04:30] <ivoks> AddType application/x-httpd-php4 .php
[04:30] <ivoks> something like that
[04:30] <mralphabet> J_P: I have the same thing happen, it isn't something I worry about
[04:31] <J_P> mralphabet: you have this message too ?
[04:31] <ivoks> well, maybe you don't have md0?
[04:31] <J_P> ivoks: yes, I have!
[04:31] <J_P> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:31] <J_P> /dev/md0              293G  562M  278G   1% /
[04:32] <bkudria> ivoks: hmm, would it be possible to create two subdirs under sites-available, and have one be php4, and the other be php5?
[04:32] <ivoks> bkudria: i don't see why not
[04:32] <bkudria> ivoks: ok, i'll try playing with it.  thanks
[04:33] <bkudria> ivoks: but then i'd have to wrap or rewrite a2ensite.  all it does is make the symlink, right?
[04:33] <ivoks> a2ensite does links yes
[04:33] <J_P> are there two mdadm on  init.d: mdadm-raid and mdadm. why two ?
[04:33] <ivoks> but you were asking about design of file which a2ensite would link
[04:34] <ivoks> bbl bye
[04:34] <J_P> mralphabet: are here ?
[04:35] <mralphabet> J_P: yes
[04:36] <J_P> mralphabet: on 6.10 don't have this problem, only in 7.04, and for you ?
[04:36] <mralphabet> 7.04 and yes
[04:36] <J_P> mralphabet: I
[04:37] <J_P> mralphabet: I'm curious, because this machine is for postgresql production....
[04:37] <J_P> dangerous.... maybe
[04:37] <J_P> ?
[04:37] <mralphabet> perhaps
[04:38] <mralphabet> The machine I run it on is lower priority and takes less the 15 minutes to set back up if a drive fails
[04:39] <mralphabet> so it wasn't something that I worried about, not saying that *you* shouldn't worry about it
[04:40] <J_P> mralphabet: where/who we can know better  about this ? I try see /etc/init.d/mdadm and mdadm-raid scripts.. but not sucess to know why taht message (fail)....
[04:42] <mralphabet> J_P: I don't know actually, I haven't found an mdadm expert to chat with about it
[04:42] <J_P> mralphabet: this moment I think in debian (confiability/stability)... I yet have somes debian servers...
[04:44] <mralphabet> J_P: I'm looking at one of the debian mailing lists with somebody mentioning the same problem
[04:44] <J_P> mralphabet: with etch ?
[04:47] <mralphabet> J_P: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/28/144659.html
[04:48] <mralphabet> J_P: click on Next Msg on the right hand side to read through responses
[04:49] <mralphabet> FYI - found that thread from http://www.google.com/search?q=Stopping+md+array+md0+fail
[04:51] <J_P> mralphabet:  > Should I simply ignore the message?
[04:51] <J_P> > "topping MD array md0... failed (busy)"  Yes, unless it is *causing* a real and noticeable problem. But so far from the discussion I've read, it isn't. So yes, ignore it.
[04:52] <J_P> mralphabet: He told that problem is because is / fs...
[04:53] <J_P> mralphabet: so if that raid is not on / fs. In /home for example.. maybe don't have this message (fail) right ?
[04:56] <bkudria> can someone walk me through enableing php5 support with fcgid and apache2? i've already got all the packages installed, and a vhost setup.  how do i enabled php5?
[05:11] <mralphabet> J_P: right
[05:11] <mralphabet> bkudria: try #apache
[05:12] <bkudria> mralphabet: they'll point me to #php, who'll point me to my distro's channel.  :)
[05:14] <mralphabet> hahahaha
[05:14] <mralphabet> well that's no help
[05:14] <mralphabet> I just don't know how many apache experts there are  in here
[05:15] <bkudria> grumble, grumble
[05:15] <ivoks> what's the problem?
[05:15] <bkudria> (I tried asking in #debian, too)
[05:15] <bkudria> ivoks: you're back!
[05:15] <bkudria> ivoks: php doesn't work
[05:15] <ivoks> well, you can't expect everything would get solved pro bono :)
[05:16] <bkudria> ivoks: well,you said it would "just work"
[05:16] <ivoks> well, php really just works
[05:16] <bkudria> except when on exotic setups like mine
[05:16] <ivoks> you want php for apache, right?
[05:16] <bkudria> right
[05:16] <bkudria> but running under fcgid
[05:16] <ivoks> does it realy have to be php5-cgi?
[05:16] <bkudria> or php4-cgi
[05:17] <bkudria> the problemis, we have some clients that need php4, and some that need php5, and we need to be able to support both
[05:17] <ivoks> and it realy have to cgi?
[05:17] <ivoks> or we are talking about normal php web pages
[05:17] <bkudria> unless you know another method to run both php4 and php5?
[05:18] <bkudria> because mod_php4 and mod_php5 cannot coexist
[05:18] <bkudria> so, yes, cgi
[05:18] <bkudria> is that a problem?
[05:18] <mralphabet> can't you run seperate httpd.conf's?
[05:18] <bkudria> mralphabet: then i'd have run seperate apaches, and i don't want to do that
[05:18] <bkudria> plus, fcgid is a more elegant method
[05:19] <ivoks> hm, why are they in conflict? :/
[05:19] <mralphabet> elegant and "working right now" are two different things, I agree, but "working right now" solves your problem while you work on elegant
[05:19] <bkudria> ivoks: so, any clue?
[05:20] <bkudria> mralphabet: well, i have a nother server running freebsd and php4 "working right now" :)
[05:20] <mralphabet> fair enough
[05:20] <bkudria> ivoks: no clue.  they use the same c++ symbol or somethign
[05:20] <bkudria> ivoks: they don't work together
[05:20] <ivoks> bkudria: you get ubuntu with working php5 'right now' just by installing libapache2-mod-php5
[05:20] <ivoks> bkudria: so your argument with freebsd is not fair
[05:20] <ivoks> or correct
[05:21] <bkudria> ivoks: ok, fine.
[05:21] <ivoks> but...
[05:21] <bkudria> ivoks: is that to say running php5 under fcgid with ubuntu is impossible?
[05:21] <ivoks> did you try installing php4-cgi and apache2 php5 module?
[05:21] <bkudria> i'd rather run both under cgi, not just one
[05:21] <bkudria> to simplify configuration
[05:21] <ivoks> bkudria: again, you are trying to have php4 and php5 in the same time
[05:22] <bkudria> ivoks: correct
[05:22] <ivoks> is that working on freebsd?
[05:22] <bkudria> ivoks: no, on freebsd, we just run mod_php4.  anyway, we are transitioning from freebsd, because i like debian/ubuntu better
[05:22] <bkudria> :)
[05:22] <ivoks> hm...
[05:23] <ivoks> http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_with_php5_and_php4
[05:23] <ivoks> that's, as i said, php4-cgi and php5 module :/
[05:23] <bkudria> huh. i'll take a look at that
[05:23] <bkudria> except i'll run both as cgi
[05:24] <bkudria> to simplify configuration
[05:24] <ivoks> ok, then install both php5-cgi and php4-cgi
[05:24] <bkudria> well, first i'll get php5 working
[05:24] <bkudria> then i'll focus on php4
[05:25] <ivoks> you need:
[05:25] <ivoks> AddHandler php-script .php
[05:26] <bkudria> and then Action php-script /cgi-bin/php5 ?
[05:26] <bkudria> except i'll do php5-script
[05:26] <bkudria> and php4-script
[05:26] <bkudria> and change them per vhost
[05:26] <bkudria> ok, i'll try that, thanks
[05:28] <bkudria> hmm, "Invalid command 'Action', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" .
[05:28] <bkudria> any idea?
[05:30] <ivoks> http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_suphp_php4_php5_p3
[05:30] <ivoks> there, both cgi
[05:30] <ivoks> + bonus - suexec
[05:30] <ivoks> err... suphp
[05:32] <bkudria> aah, actions module wasn't loaded
[05:32] <bkudria> ivoks: nice, thanks
[05:33] <ivoks> lol
[05:33] <bkudria> mralphabet: i searched that site too,you know!
[05:33] <bkudria> indeed, the googlefu.
[05:36] <ivoks> google is grep of 21st century
[05:36] <bkudria> ivoks: yep, it works. thanks a lot
[05:37] <bkudria> ivoks: i need to do something else before i continue with php4, but i'll comeback and bother you if i run into any trouble, ok?
[05:37] <ivoks> :)
[05:37] <ivoks> php4 isn't supported anymore
[07:30] <bkudria> hmm, does ubuntu include php4?  at all?
[07:39] <malakhi> bkudria: Pretty sure it was removed for feisty
[07:39] <bkudria> hmm, i need it.
[07:39] <bkudria> where would be the best place to get it?
[07:40] <shawarma> bkudria: What do you need it for? I'm just curious..
[07:41] <bkudria> shawarma: we have some client that require php4for some apps
[07:41] <bkudria> shawarma: for example,oscommerce doesn't work with php5
[07:44] <shawarma> bkudria: Yes, it does.
[07:44] <shawarma> :)
[07:44] <bkudria> not last time i checked...
[07:44] <bkudria> anyway, i'dlike to have the option of php4
[07:44] <bkudria> or, the versionwe are running doesn't
[07:44] <bkudria> and i'd like to do one upgrade at a time
[07:44] <bkudria> so, the current requirement is that we need to have php4
[07:46] <bkudria> how can i get, say, php4 packages from edgy?
[07:46] <bkudria> can i just include the repository?
[07:49] <malakhi> bkudria: I don't know if installing the php4 packages from edgy would work or not. If you go that route, I'd try it on a test server first.
[07:49] <malakhi> Why not just used edgy or dapper?
[07:49] <bkudria> malakhi: this *is* a test server
[07:49] <bkudria> malakhi: because i already have feisty,and i don't want to reinstall
[07:50] <malakhi> ok. You can give it a shot. No idea if it will work or not.
[07:52] <bkudria> hmm.  if it doesn't work, i guess i'll have to downgrade
[07:52] <bkudria> eww
[07:53] <bkudria> can i just add the edgy repo?
[07:55] <malakhi> bkudria: You can try it. I don't see why it wouldn't work ok.
[07:56] <malakhi> bkudria: Just be mindful of any depends it might bring with it. (wouldn't want to break current packages)
[07:56] <bkudria> right, i'll watch for that
[07:56] <bkudria> malakhi: although it would be strange if php4 depended on something, but restricted it to "version x.y.z or lower"
[07:57] <malakhi> bkudria: Not so strange as you might think. I run into funny depends like that all the time on my Debian Sid box, but expect it there.
[07:57] <bkudria> ok, i'll watch for it
[07:57] <bkudria> thanks
[08:00] <malakhi> np
[08:04] <bkudria> yay,it works!
[08:04] <bkudria> thanks a lot!
[08:05] <bkudria> ok, i am going out to lunch
[08:05] <malakhi> enjoy
[08:32] <bkudria> mm, i did
[08:32] <bkudria> chicken tacos :)
[08:57] <Panzer_> would setting up server to get time from ntp server be hard?
[08:59] <mralphabet> Panzer_: no
[09:00] <Panzer_> ok cool
[09:01] <bkudria> :)
[09:02] <Panzer_> still new to linux.  and decided to start at command line.  so got a install of dapper on a server
[09:02] <Panzer_> well of course dapper server.
[11:35] <bkudria> i just installed mysql-server anf phpmyadmin. how do i login?
[11:35] <bkudria> to phpmyadmin, i mean
[11:36] <shawarma> What have you tried yet?
[11:37] <bkudria> i haven't tried anything :)
[11:37] <bkudria> hmm, i see also now scripts/setup.php
[11:37] <bkudria> going there shows this warning:
[11:37] <bkudria> Please create web server writable folder config in phpMyAdmin toplevel directory as described in documentation. Otherwise you will be only able to download or display it.
[11:38] <bkudria> and /var/www/phpmyadmin/config/config.inc.phpis a symlink to /var/lib/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php
[11:38] <bkudria> which nis owned by www-data
[11:38] <bkudria> so it should be able to work, no?
[11:39] <bkudria> there is a blowfish cookie in that file, what is the default password?
[11:39] <bkudria> or, how should i be making it work?
[11:40] <shawarma> You're much more likely to get good help here if you actually try first and the ask when you run into trouble.
[11:40] <shawarma> phpmyadmin has no password of its own.
[11:40] <shawarma> Your authenticating against mysql.
[11:41] <bkudria> oh, ok
[11:41] <bkudria> how do i set the mysql password?
[11:41] <bkudria> or, do i need to create a user?
[11:41] <shawarma> You can probably just log in as root without a password.
[11:41] <shawarma> I've got to go now.
[11:41] <shawarma> Cheers.
[11:43] <bkudria> ok
[11:43] <bkudria> root without a password doesn't work!
[11:43] <bkudria> shawarma: wait,don't go!
[11:43] <bkudria> help!
[11:45] <bkudria> aah, i got it, nm


[00:27]  * InHisName hands ChinnoDog a LARGE veggie plater, this will dilute your sugar coma.
[09:10] <rmg51> Morning
[09:10] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:38] <waltman> Ack! What's that bright thing outside?
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:22] <InHisName> waltman: There was a bright moon out very early this morning, was that what you saw ?
[12:56] <waltman> InHisName: Maybe, but it's still out there now.
[12:56] <waltman> That's no moon!
[12:57] <InHisName> waltman: sounds like you were sleeping real late and were "blinded by the light".
[12:58] <waltman> No, I saw it around 6:30.
[13:00] <InHisName> The Son knocking at your door asking for invite into your heart ?
[13:00] <InHisName> Or maybe you're referring to the Son with different vowel ?
[13:04] <waltman> Whatever it is, I haven't seen anything like that outside in a long time!
[13:15] <InHisName> Maybe you're re-living a Ray Bradbury story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Summer_in_a_Day
[13:26] <MutantTurkey> I can't take it
[13:26] <MutantTurkey> this lab is driving me crazy
[13:26] <MutantTurkey> "yes when you use the linux you need to use these commands."
[13:26] <MutantTurkey> "very primitive"
[13:26] <MutantTurkey> "blah blah blah Im vladmir putin and I have no idea about the linux
[13:28] <MutantTurkey> on the upside, Microsfot 2007 works well with Wine!
[13:33] <waltman> MutantTurkey: This is why you should have gone to Drexel instead of Temple! :)
[13:37] <MutantTurkey> no I'm sure they do the same thing for the intro class
[13:37] <MutantTurkey> anyway yes I should have gone to drexel
[13:38] <MutantTurkey> yet as the fiscally responsible person that I am, I cannot justify the costs.
[13:39] <MutantTurkey> waltman: somehow Gaylord likes me. At first he was kind of mean and then suddenly he was like "hey!!" much more. Sysadmins are scary when you first start somewhere
[13:39] <MutantTurkey> once he figured out I grokked linux he started to like me
[14:09] <MutantTurkey> hey jedijf
[14:09] <MutantTurkey> what's up
[16:05] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> GOBBLE
[17:02] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: all caps, shoves the gobbling into a weight gain endevor.
[17:09] <ChinnoDog> Only if there is cake
[19:19] <InHisName> I have a lotta zuchini,  do you have a zuchini cake recipie ?
[19:24] <ChinnoDog> I have a friend whose mom makes zuchini pie that is a lot like apple pie.
[19:27] <TheLordOfTime> InHisName:  ever consider making zucchini bread?
[19:40] <InHisName> ChinnoDog said cake was his weakness.   I just thought if I found a recipie for zucchini cake, I could tease him with it.   I have  ton of recipies for zucchini bread and they're all good to eat.  But he did say: (01:09:47 PM) ChinnoDog: Only if there is cake


[08:15] <MatinalSun> Hello. I encountered a problem that double-click on touchscreen in xubuntu-desktop20.04 cannot open files in the desktop or the file manager. But double-clicking on the touchscreen to maximize the window could work. Besides, double-clicking through the mouse all work fine.
[08:15] <MatinalSun> The problem is related to xubuntu20.04 since the double click works fine in xubuntu16.04 with the same kernel.
[08:15] <MatinalSun> I installed the ubuntu-desktop in the xubuntu-desktop. Switch to the ubuntu desktop and find the double-click function through touchscreen work well. The problem is about xubuntu-desktop 20.04.
[08:22] <MatinalSun> I installed the xubuntu-desktop through "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[11:50] <tomreyn> MatinalSun: were you running the (x)ubuntu 16.04 kernel also on 20.04 or the other way around? or yet another kernel?
[16:59] <Maik> MatinalSun: uhm... xubuntu 16.04 support ended years ago, it's EOL, so is 18.04 of which support ended last year.


[09:34] <jjesse> g4g4 did you want to "/join #ubuntu-it"
[09:34] <g4g4> no :)
[09:34] <jjesse> instead of join #ubuntu-it
[09:35] <spamhog> afaik there is NO document anywhere even attempting to describe how to configure sound, even the search facilities can't unearth one
[09:35] <g4g4> i'd to install ATI accelerate support on kubuntu
[09:35] <_xuniL> google and you will find it
[09:35] <g4g4> ive found but i Can go
[09:35] <g4g4> federico? italiano?
[09:37] <g4g4> then I can't find the xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:37] <_xuniL> you need to change your source.list
[09:37] <g4g4> oh my
[09:38] <g4g4> where?
[09:38] <_xuniL> /etc/apt
[09:38] <LjL> - /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:38] <_xuniL> need to be root
[09:38] <g4g4> i used adept
[09:39] <federico_lu> g4g4: yes. At least on the paper. My italian is very bad lol
[09:39] <g4g4> now I have 16914 packages
[09:39] <_xuniL> :D
[09:39] <g4g4> but not the xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:39] <g4g4> :)
[09:40] <DaSkreech> !tell g4g4 about flgrxc
[09:40] <g4g4> but where?
[09:40] <DaSkreech> !tell g4g4 about flgrx
[09:41] <_xuniL> aint it fglrx?
[09:41] <g4g4> there are not packages about fglrx
[09:42] <DaSkreech> !fglrx
[09:42] <ubotu> [fglrx]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:42] <_xuniL> its "xorg-driver-fglrc"
[09:43] <g4g4> but where i can find it?
[09:43] <LjL> i suppose that will be in restricted or multiverse
[09:43] <_xuniL> not fglrc sorry fglrx
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Restricted Id suspect
[09:43] <LjL> i've not quite understood what multiverse is about i must say
[09:44] <g4g4> in manage repository?
[09:44] <LjL> in sources.list, i don't know about adept and stuff, but if you set the relevant lines in sources.list, you'll be fine
[09:46] <DaSkreech> LjL: As I understand it it's all the other stuff that Ubuntu has outside of their immedeate eyesight
[09:47] <LjL> DaSkreech: what you you mean "eyesight"? my understanding was that it contained non-free or not-100%-free stuff, but that doesn't really seem to be the case
[09:47] <LjL> (and, also, that would overlap with restriced)
[09:47] <mornfall> LjL: multiverse contains nonfree stuff, iiuic
[09:47] <g4g4> oh my
[09:47] <LjL> then why does it contain UAE for example, which is 100% GPL afaik? also, again, why restricted *and* multiverse?
[09:47] <g4g4> :(
[09:48] <DaSkreech> LjL:  It's user supported things that Ubuntu takes no real responsibility for
[09:49] <g4g4> nothing
[09:49] <DaSkreech> so If you have a package that you think is cool but Canonical doesn't think so it gets put in Multiverse
[09:49] <LjL> ic
[09:50] <g4g4> but how mount multiverse??
[09:50] <_thom> anybody running kde 3.5 beta 2?
[09:50] <jatos> hi
[09:50] <LjL> g4g4: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[09:52] <g4g4> LjL: whats the meaning of the we?
[09:52] <g4g4> web page?
[09:53] <LjL> g4g4: as it says, it's an example source.list. just use it as your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:54] <LjL> you're italian aren't you? if you are, you can turn all the "http://archive........" into "http://it.archive......." for faster downloads, but it will work anyway
[09:54] <kie> hello
[09:55] <kie> i got a problem with eclipse under breezy and a cvs repository
[09:55] <kie> i wanna access a extssh server but i cant get it work.
[09:56] <g4g4> thank u boys i try....
[09:56] <g4g4> see ya
[09:56] <g4g4> ;)
[09:57] <kie> i read in several forums that gcj doesn't support ssh
[09:58] <kie> so i need a alternative java vm, has anyone a suggestion which vm for linux is good?
[09:59] <raphink> blackdown ?
[10:00] <propagandhi> kie: why not just use the official
[10:02] <bastardkestrel> hi
[10:02] <bastardkestrel> is it safe to try kde 3.5 beta 2?
[10:02] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: i would say no
[10:02] <propagandhi> beta 1 was safer than beta 2
[10:02] <bastardkestrel> and why?
[10:02] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: really?
[10:03] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: because when i moved up from beta 1 to beta 2 there were more problems than I was prepared to deal with, so i went back down to beta 1
[10:03] <propagandhi> the release candidate was  meant to be out yesterday I think according to the release scheule, but i havent seen it yet
[10:03] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: are there any benefits in 3.5?
[10:03] <crimsun> same guideline applies in this channel, superssjiffy3.
[10:04] <DaSkreech> It ensures you can count one higher than 3.4
[10:04] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: can i just downgrade by removing the sources i add
[10:04] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: there are some enhancements, most of them arent visual however
[10:04] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: if only it were that easy
[10:05] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: well crap. I got beta 2 already too late
[10:05] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: you never know, you mightnt have issues, but I'm 95% sure you will
[10:05] <bastardkestrel> the settings icon seems to have changes
[10:05] <kie> propagandhi: couse gcj doesn't support ssh correctly
[10:05] <bastardkestrel> i need ssh
[10:06] <kie> propagandhi: the DH keychange algorithm fails
[10:06] <propagandhi> kie: i said the official, not the one that comes with ubuntu
[10:06] <superssjiffy3> check this
[10:06] <propagandhi> I meant actually installing the official java packages
[10:06] <superssjiffy3> my kubuntu is broke
[10:06] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:06] <etam> please help me, i have an assertion failed error when i am using swing in eclipse...
[10:06] <kie> propagandhi: the one from sun?
[10:06] <propagandhi> kie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - shows how to install the one from sun
[10:07] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: is kubuntu going to add 3.5 when its ready?
[10:07] <kie> propagandhi: may be an opportunity
[10:07] <etam> ** ERROR **: file ../../../src/libjava/jni/gtk-peer/gnu_java_awt_peer_gtk_GtkImage.c: line 572 (createRawData): assertion failed: (data_fid != 0)
[10:07] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: of course
[10:07] <etam> aborting...
[10:07] <_admin> Hey everyone - I'm trying to figure out how to change the default login screen, but can't find any clear info online.  Anyone know how to do it?
[10:07] <etam> do You know how can i fix that?
[10:07] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: right, well i might as well redoo and wait
[10:07] <bastardkestrel> thanks
[10:07] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: before you do that you should identify whether the beta 2 is going to cause you any problems
[10:08] <etam> or any links about that?
[10:08] <propagandhi> bastardkestrel: but if you want to be safe, you shouldnt install betas or test stuff anyhow, i never listen though
[10:08] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: im looking at the bug list, seems there are some issues with kontact
[10:08] <propagandhi> _admin: you want to change the KDM login page
[10:08] <_admin> yes.
[10:09] <_admin> propagandhi: all I have managed to find in the system prefs is how to change the login splash screen.
[10:09] <_admin> where do I go to change the KDM login page?
[10:09] <kie> propagandhi: where is the diffrence between blakdown and the official one?
[10:09] <bastardkestrel> propagandhi: seems to work ok.
[10:09] <propagandhi> _admin: on http://www.kde-apps.org there is an addon that will put that facility in the control center, otherwise you need to manually copy the new theme over etc and edit the conf file
[10:10] <propagandhi> _admin: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[10:10] <_admin> propagandhi:  thanks - checking kde-apps. :)
[10:10] <propagandhi> _admin: that should be the right link i sent you
[10:16] <_admin> propagandhi: Perhaps I'm a bit dense here, but on a stock vanilla install of Kubuntu (only about 45 minutes old, in fact) I can't install this .deb.  Should I just force it to install w/out meeting deps?
[10:18] <propagandhi> _admin: it would be safer to compile from source
[10:19] <propagandhi> the .deb is not built for ubuntu
[10:20] <propagandhi> _admin: DONT force it to install
[10:27] <_admin> propagandhi: ok - I have no compiler installed: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH - does Kubuntu not come with a sane build env?
[10:28] <jk-> yep
[10:28] <jk-> not installed by default though?
[10:29] <_admin> I guess not... I just chose all the defaults on the installer when I did the install a few minutes ago.
[10:29] <_admin> What packages do I need to get a working gcc?
[10:29] <_admin> just apt-get install gcc?
[10:29] <_admin> or is there something bigger?
[10:30] <_thumper_> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:30] <_admin> _thumper:  Thaks.
[10:31] <propagandhi> !source
[10:31] <ubotu> methinks source is to compile a source package, you first need to 'apt-get build-essential'. Some source packages have other dependencies, such as KDE or Gnome development libraries also.
[10:31] <_thumper_> anyone have ideas on timing for KDE 3.5 RC1 for kubuntu?
[10:32] <_thumper_> theoretically RC1 release today
[10:33] <propagandhi> _thumper_: I am wondering the same thing
[10:33] <_thumper_> propagandhi, no announcement on kde.org yet though ;(
[10:34] <propagandhi> _thumper_: yeah i know
[10:37] <_admin> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes   <-- anyone know the correct packages to install for most includes?  X, KDE, Gnome, etc?
[10:37] <propagandhi> _admin: you need libx11-dev or whatever it is
[10:37] <_thumper_> _admin, I wish I remember all the other packages I needed to install :(
[10:38] <_thumper_> _admin, there were quite a few
[10:38] <LjL> -admin: xlibs-dev
[10:38] <propagandhi> _admin: could be libx11-devel or libxorg-x11-devel, I cant recall right now
[10:38] <_admin> that is the achilles heel with linux, imho.
[10:38] <propagandhi> LjL: thanx
[10:38] <_admin> I'll have to just look them up - thanks all.
[10:40] <kuwox> saludos comunidad
[10:40] <kuwox> donde puedo obtener repositorios para kubuntu donde pueda instalar xine y varios paq de multimedia
[10:41] <LjL> !tell kuwox about repos
[10:41] <LjL> kuwox: tienes que hablar ingles aqui
[10:41] <LjL> kuwox: existe un #kubuntu-es, creo, si quieres hablar espaol
[10:42] <kuwox> ahhh entiendo
[10:42] <kuwox> de todos modos thanks
[10:42] <LjL> kuwox: in cada casos, los links de Ubotu de ajudaran con los repositorioes
[10:44] <kuwox> si los tengo
[10:44] <jpowers> what directory does kde reside in?
[10:45] <jpowers> or rather, for the purposes of installing a kioslave, what directory does kde reside in?
[10:45] <jpowers> --prefix=?
[10:48] <propagandhi> jpowers: --prefix=/usr
[10:48] <jpowers> thx
[10:54] <vieirar> Hi I just installed knockd and started it up. knockd.log shows that the command is being sent but the port is never opened. Can someone help me?
[10:55] <vieirar> This is the command /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s "the ip address" -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[10:58] <PabloK> Hi, I need help with LiLo, somebody can help me?
[11:05] <slayer> hi!anybody could give me some  help for resolving problems w/ scan port ?
[11:08] <PabloK> Hi, I need help with LiLo, somebody can help me?
[11:09] <tictric> Depends on your question :-)
[11:10] <jpowers> katalog ROCKS
[11:11] <jpowers> I think it should be a default part of kubuntu (of course) at least until Kat supports removable media better
[11:17] <slow-motion> n8
[11:21] <LjL> what's katalog?
[11:23] <nxv_> is there a tutorial how to get my laptop to disc suspend/sleep??
[11:25] <zmeu> hola
[11:27] <nxv_> how can i send my laptop to sleep?
[11:27] <manveru> nxv_: you have that nice little battery-icon in your taskbar
[11:30] <nxv_> manveru: jepp
[11:30] <manveru> nxv_: you can access most of the laptops energy-features with it
[11:30] <manveru> nxv_: for example right click on it and choose hibernate
[11:33] <bloc76> how can i get mysql working with php-cgi.
[11:35] <spiral> 'bye
[11:41] <LjL> manveru: oh, so that's the "official" way to get hibernation in Kubuntu?
[11:42] <manveru> LjL: is there an official way?
[11:42] <LjL> manveru: sounds weird though... Gnome just has "Hibernate" in the shutdown options, i think KDE should have that too! it's not just laptops (i.e. things that have a battery) that might need hibernation
[11:42] <LjL> manveru: "official" so to say
[11:42] <manveru> LjL: well, it's at least the way i do it
[11:42] <manveru> LjL: you could add a hotkey as well for it - or map your power-button to hibernation like i did
[11:42] <LjL> well i haven't found any other (graphical) way, so i suppose that's really the most "official" way one can get
[11:43] <LjL> hmm, how? or better, do you mean in KDE or system-wide? (i know how to do it systemwide)
[11:43] <manveru> i fear i only know it for KDE
[11:43] <manveru> never tried it outside... :)
[11:44] <LjL> well, system-wide involves editing stuff in /etc/acpi
[11:44] <manveru> yeah, might well be
[11:44] <LjL> specifically, one way is editing /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh and change the script that it runs to /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[11:44] <LjL> anyway, how's the hotkey thing in KDE?
[11:45] <manveru> hmm, this would involve a dcop-call to the energy-daemon
[11:45] <manveru> never did it though, so i cannot help you on that
[11:45] <LjL> ok
[11:45] <manveru> you know, i have my laptop mostly for listening music
[11:46] <manveru> and it is plugged in all the time - so i never cared much about powersaving and stuff
[11:46] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[11:47] <Spudchat> how would i get the menu back for konqueror that says file edit help
[11:47] <Spudchat> i accidentally made it go away
[11:47] <manveru> [ctrl] +[m]  i guess
[11:47] <Spudchat> thank you very much :)
[11:49] <nxv_> re
[11:49] <nxv_> wether hibernate nor suspend came up to a useable state
[11:50] <nxv_> after suspend ijust got black screen
[11:50] <nxv_> after hibernate i saw a part of my screen as it was before but didn't react on any input
[11:58] <fatejudger> ever since I created a new user in Kubuntu and started using it, Samba has been acting funny
[11:58] <fatejudger> it asks for a username and password for login, which never works
[11:59] <fatejudger> and if you try and access the shares on another Kubuntu box, it just says they don't exist
[11:59] <fatejudger> even when they show up
[11:59] <fatejudger> if someone knows how to fix this, great
[11:59] <fatejudger> if not, is there way to clear all the samba data
[11:59] <fatejudger> and just reinstall samba?