[00:16] <blkadder> Is there a way to specify installation order of packages?
[00:16] <blkadder> I’m finding that they aren’t necessarily done in the order specified.
[02:55] <redcavalier> A few weeks ago, I ended up filing a bug related to the cloud-init package on centos 7 on the centos bug tracker. I haven't had any feedback from centos since, but I'm figuring out I'll probably need to make my own package. Are there any pointers as to how to properly make a spec file for the rpm for cloud-init? I've never built my own packages before.
[02:56] <redcavalier> (btw, the bug prevents root filesystem resize on boot)
[02:57] <blackboxsw> redcavalier: we have nightly builds in our copr repo at  https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/ if you'd like a centos specific bug fix in cloud-init upstream I'm sure we'd be happy to look it over with a bug filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug referencing your centos bug
[02:58] <blackboxsw> to get yourself started, we have some build tools that help us out when testing:
[02:58] <blackboxsw> if you are building yourself. you could look at running: "make ci-deps-centos" to get all build dependencies
[02:58] <blackboxsw> then try "make rpm"
[03:00] <blackboxsw> it builds an rpm for us from cloud-init/packages/redhat/cloud-init.spec.in
[03:01] <redcavalier> I see. I'll make the launchpad bug and then go forward with testing newer versions.
[03:03] <blackboxsw> that'd be good, we have addressed a couple of resize fs bugs in recent history on lp:cloud-init/master
[03:03] <redcavalier> Out of curiosity, are you aware if the the centos official builds are based on the latest cloud-init versions? Or do they generally use older versions? I'm not sure if their numbered releases match the upstream numbers, or if they just renumber them when released as a centos package.
[03:05] <blackboxsw> redcavalier: most distros generally lag the latest cloud-init version by a little bit. We are working on improving the distro & cloud adoption frequency
[03:06] <blackboxsw> I'd expect centos is still on 0.7.9, but we've recently released 17.1 (re-versioned to match <YEAR>.<minor-release-num>
[03:06] <redcavalier> blackboxsw, yes, centos just release 0.7.9 last month, they were on 0.7.5 before
[03:08] <redcavalier> Normally I would have downgraded until my issue is fixed, but I'm getting pressure from higher up to not downgrade so I'm looking for alternatives. Since this issue needs to be fixed pretty much yesterday, as it affects all our customers, I'm crossing my fingers that upgrading will fix it.
[03:09] <blackboxsw> out of curiosity: redcavalier, do you have a link to that centos bug
[03:10] <redcavalier> yes, https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=13931
[03:12] <blackboxsw> redcavalier: that texture of error looks like it might be pointing to invalid vendordata from your cloud instance
[03:12] <redcavalier> ftr, our cloud-init userdata does quite a few operations, like writing network files, changing passwords, executing scripts, but the only operation that has started to fail is the resize.
[03:13] <redcavalier> blackboxsw, yea, but vendordata is empty and has always been
[03:13] <redcavalier> This is on openstack Ocata btw
[03:14] <blackboxsw> hrm. I'll peek at our ocata instances as well tomorow. and I'll look back in the irc log for when you first brought this up
[03:14] <blackboxsw> this convesation/problem rings a bell
[03:14] <redcavalier> yea, it was last month, I have the log right here
[03:15] <redcavalier> Thu Sep 28 around noon japan time
[03:15] <blackboxsw> cheers. will look it up a bit and see if anything jogs a memory.
[03:15] <blackboxsw> ahh thanks again for the reference
[03:17] <redcavalier> I'll come back tomorrow at around the same time to see if you'Ve seen anything. In the meantime though, I'll continue testing with more recent versions on my side.
[13:58] <smoser> paulmey, so azure clients... the python one 'az' is generally the future plan ? rather than the node 'azure' ?
[14:38] <paulmey> Oh yes, smoser , definitely
[14:40] <smoser> paulmey, ok. thanks.
[14:40] <smoser> i filed https://github.com/Azure/azure-sdk-for-python/issues/1527
[14:40] <smoser> find its usage odd.
[14:41] <smoser> i dont htink that was the right place though
[14:45] <smoser> there. https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/issues/4656
[18:27] <paulmey> smoser: there was much complaining about positional parameters on the nodejs cli... so now everything is a named parameter. Thanks for giving feedback though!
[18:28] <smoser> paulmey, funny
[18:29] <smoser> its very reminiscent of lxc 1.0 interface
[18:29] <smoser> lxc-create -n containername
[18:29] <paulmey> in a boo hoo way or in a ha ha way?
[18:29] <smoser> but containername was required (and quite possibly the only argument needed)
[18:29] <smoser> lxc-delete -n containername
[18:29] <smoser> WHY DO I NEED -N !
[18:29] <smoser> but lxc 2.0/lxd is:
[18:29] <smoser>  lxc delete containername
[18:29] <smoser> oh well
[18:30] <paulmey> I guess you'll have to wait for az 2.0 then...
[18:34] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1723213
[18:34] <smoser> its not as bad as we thouguht though
[18:34] <smoser> the key thing i realized...
[18:34] <smoser> nothing uses the vendordata_raw.
[18:35] <smoser> we dont ever read it back. its just there for other consumers. it should be a blob.
[18:36] <blackboxsw> for other consumers that load the bpickle and run get_vendordata() on the datasource?
[18:36] <smoser> other consumers ?
[18:36] <blackboxsw> per "its just there for other consumers"
[18:37] <smoser> yeah, and i suspect there arent many.
[18:37] <smoser> and it really should be a blob.
[18:37] <blackboxsw> s/m// :)
[18:37] <blackboxsw> just because it's also broken right?
[18:37] <smoser> well that does make it harder :)
[18:42] <smoser> blackboxsw, ok... so i'll start at bottom of the checklist
[18:42] <smoser> in https://trello.com/c/wROS4mKT
[18:42] <blackboxsw> smoser: I'm testing landscape right now
[18:49] <powersj> smoser: that bug you just filed, isn't it the same as LP: #1722992
[18:49] <smoser> it probably is.
[18:49] <smoser> whoops
[18:51] <powersj> smoser: thx
[19:18] <smoser> blackboxsw, i'm going to try to fix mount-image-callback lxd:
[19:18] <blackboxsw> smoser: yes please.
[19:18] <smoser> as i tried to use it (through lxc-proposed-snapshot) and foobar
[19:18] <blackboxsw> I'll need that shortly I suspect
[19:18] <blackboxsw> yeah, I had been using artful, so hadn't gotten that far yet
[19:19] <blackboxsw> mount-image-callback is used by lxc-proposed-snapshot right?
[19:19] <smoser> yes. as i found :)
[19:19] <smoser> i didnt remmeber, but yeah
[19:33] <blackboxsw> pushed two bug updates to sru-info for puppet and landscape
[19:33] <blackboxsw> moving onto the list from the top of the trello card
[20:51] <blackboxsw>  Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.1-17-g45d361cb-0ubuntu1~17.04.1]
[20:51] <blackboxsw> hmm checking it out
[21:04] <blackboxsw> well see it in rejected state in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=
[21:04] <blackboxsw> trying to find the history of it
[21:05] <smoser> blackboxsw, 17 is less than 18
[21:05] <smoser> 18 is in
[21:05] <blackboxsw> ahh dumb me
[21:05] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init
[21:05] <smoser> and on that link above ...
[21:05] <smoser> "higher numbers are better"
[21:05] <smoser> :)
[21:05] <smoser> the source of my confusion earlier
[21:06] <smoser> i think the best thing to do for mount-image-callback is to drop support for lxd:
[21:06] <powersj> doh
[21:06] <smoser> but add a 'lxc-chroot' which does something like it did
[21:08] <smoser> i had a lxc-chroot before, but moved to using mount-image-callback as it was nice. but the chroot path seems quite plausable now.
[21:11] <blackboxsw> smoser: you mean like sudo chroot /var/lib/lxd/containers/a1/rootfs/
[21:12] <blackboxsw> and then manipulate the rootfs before lxc start a1
[21:12]  * blackboxsw looks at mount-image-callback again to see what it thinks it is doing
[21:13] <smoser> thats mostly what mount-image-callback does
[21:13] <smoser> the two things it really aded for lxd was
[21:14] <smoser> well... it effectively gave you "chroot" into a lxd container
[21:14] <smoser> which meant no network namespace
[21:14] <smoser> and mic would set up /etc/resolv.conf to work, and then it appeared that networkign was all golden
[21:43] <blackboxsw> done testing chef on artful
[21:43] <blackboxsw> and pushed an sru-info test for it


[10:10] <kjackal> hey stub I am trying to work on a fix to layer-snap
[10:10] <kjackal> is this layer on lp or gh?
[10:10] <stub> either or
[10:10] <kjackal> awesome
[10:11] <stub> lp is canonical I guess, but I accept either
[10:11] <kjackal> so I can submit a pr to gh
[10:11] <stub> yup
[10:11] <kjackal> great, thanks
[10:12] <stub> kjackal: what is the fix?
[10:12] <kjackal> has to do with no_proxy
[10:12] <stub> ok. I think newer versions of snapd have a better way of setting the proxy now too, but I haven't investigated.
[10:13] <stub> There is a branch in flight adding support for the snap-proxy too, but that doesn't touch the traditional proxy stuff.
[10:14] <kjackal> remember how the snap layer gets the no_proxy settings from juju (I guess) and then places them to /etc/systemd/system/snapd.service.d/snap_layer_proxy.conf . There is the case where no_proxy settings have a sull subnet and this large string is larger than 2048 chars so it gets skipped
[10:15] <kjackal> actually it gets trimmed to 2048 and the rest of proxy settings are skipped
[10:15] <stub> https://code.launchpad.net/~adam-collard/layer-snap/+git/layer-snap/+merge/336289
[10:16] <kjackal> stub I do not think this will fix the issue, let me find the opened issue
[10:17] <kjackal> stub: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-canonical-kubernetes/issues/413
[10:18] <kjackal> the no_proxy line is too long and the parsing of the snap_layer_proxy.conf stops
[10:18] <stub> No, that is a different issue. I understand it is the preferred way of accessing the snap store via proxy now
[10:18] <stub> It does include the 'snap set core' command down the bottom, which I think is similar to the blessed way of setting http proxies
[10:19] <stub> (so rather than create a systemd override file, with the 2048k limit, it might be possible to run 'snap set core proxy.something=' and make it snapd's problem
[10:20] <stub> But I don't know where the core settings are documented, nor do I know if the setting has been backported to Trusty yet.
[10:21] <kjackal> my problem is not with the proxy, it is with no_proxy we grab here: https://github.com/stub42/layer-snap/blob/master/reactive/snap.py#L112
[10:22] <kjackal> I was thinking we could have a no_proxy config variable and not get the full list from hwatever juju model-config has
[10:22] <stub> Yes. I'm just saying that I expect to stop creating systemd override files and start using snapd's proxy setting mechanism.
[10:24] <stub> I'd like to avoid new config items, as it pollutes every snap built with the layer. Insanely large no_proxy lists is not a common problem, so I'd like a less intrusive fix.
[10:27] <kjackal> I am trying to find this snapd proxy setting that goes through snap core but dont seem to be that successful..
[10:27] <stub> It isn't documented at https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/reference/core-configuration , so it is either very new or yay documentation
[10:28] <stub> probably a 2.30 thing, which is the version adam needs to force for the snap-proxy support
[10:29] <kjackal> yes... but there is nothing for noproxy there
[10:30] <stub> ok, might be the case. The bug requesting actual proxy settings is still open (I don't consider the systemd override approach a particularly stable workaround)
[10:32] <kjackal> There is this: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3594
[10:33] <stub> kjackal: Would it be good enough for the snap layer to truncate the NO_PROXY environment variable before stuffing it in the systemd override file?
[10:34] <kjackal> stub, I am not sure when/why the no_proxy is needed by snapd
[10:34] <kjackal> yes, trucating it is good enough for me now
[10:35] <stub> ok.
[10:35] <kjackal> usualy in network restricted environments snapd does not need to reach other services internal
[10:35] <stub> I'm not aware of anyone who needs no_proxy. I just pulled it from the environment with the other env variables because it seemed like a good idea at the time.
[10:36] <stub> So truncate or don't propagate no_proxy at all.
[10:36] <kjackal> I would prefer to remove no_rpoxy rather than having it half in snapd config
[10:36] <stub> ok.
[10:36] <kjackal> cool, even easier
[10:37] <kjackal> doing it now, thanks
[10:39] <stub> In other news, systemd's opinion of what makes a valid environment variable is different to the OS's opinion.
[10:43] <kjackal> stub: true, especialy since it is doing this silent fail
[10:44] <kjackal> "I will skip this config and pry noonw notices" :)
[16:16] <pmatulis> i heard there are CentOS-based charms in the store but this comes back empty: https://jujucharms.com/q/centos - how do i find these charms?
[16:31] <rick_h> pmatulis: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/search?series=centos7
[16:40] <pmatulis> rick_h, thanks. so just one then? i actually tried this and it failed. some kind of image authorization problem
[16:40] <pmatulis> https://pastebin.canonical.com/208767/
[16:40] <rick_h> pmatulis: so yea, you have to sign a thing in amz to get the centos image that's used
[16:40] <rick_h> pmatulis: it's something I did a long time ago tbh, and appears to only be one atm. We always wanted/hoped for me
[16:41] <pmatulis> rick_h, i did a manual launch. i didn't see any signing option
[17:05] <zeestrat> So, any tips for recovering an unresponsive juju environment that borked itself during upgrade-juju?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1746265
[17:05] <mup> Bug #1746265: juju-upgrade from 2.2.9 to 2.3.2 fails with state changing too quickly <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746265>
[18:56] <bobeo> hey everyone! I hope your day is going well!
[18:56] <bobeo> Is there a way to do: juju run --unit "select all units" "command" ; E.G. juju run --unit * ifconfig
[18:56] <bobeo> is that possible tod o with juju?
[19:06] <zeestrat> bobeo: do you want to target just units within an application or all units in a model?
[19:07] <zeestrat> juju run has --application which does the first and also --all which should do the latter
[21:05] <rick_h> wallyworld: do we have anyone that can look at zeestrat's issue there? I recall some chatter around that but I don't know the results/etc exactly
[21:07] <wallyworld> rick_h: doing an interview atm
[21:07] <rick_h> wallyworld: rgr
[21:51] <zeestrat> Thanks rick_h. Much appreciated.
[21:53] <wallyworld> zeestrat: rick_h: if you want all units of a given application, you can do juju run --aplication foo
[21:53] <rick_h> zeestrat: I more meant his issue with the upgraded juju model during upgrade and bug #1746265
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1746265: juju-upgrade from 2.2.9 to 2.3.2 fails with state changing too quickly <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746265>
[21:53] <wallyworld> but you want all units in a model? --all will do all machines
[21:53] <rick_h> wallyworld: sorry ^
[21:55] <wallyworld> rick_h: oh, i see. i don't have any clue off hand. i'll need to look into it
[21:55] <rick_h> wallyworld: ok sorry, the error there rang a bell but I couldn't find what I thought I'd seen go by in conversations before.


[16:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 27 16:00:17 2014 UTC.  The chair is matsubara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00] <matsubara> Hello, welcome to this week Ubuntu server team meeting!
[16:00] <beisner> o/   hi
[16:00] <rharper> \o
[16:00] <matsubara> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:00] <matsubara> No previous (May 20th) actions to follow up on.
[16:00] <matsubara> #topic Utopic Development
[16:01] <matsubara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <coreycb> o/
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <lutostag> o/
[16:01] <matsubara> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:01] <matsubara> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-u-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:02] <matsubara> (first time chairing this meeting so bear with me)
[16:02] <matsubara> some juju bugs there that need triage
[16:03] <matsubara> and another bug assigned to Ben with no status
[16:03] <matsubara> oh, actually it's invalid.
[16:03] <matsubara> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:04] <matsubara> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-u-servercloud-overview.html
[16:04] <matsubara> that's a 404
[16:04] <matsubara> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/group/topic-u-server.html
[16:04] <matsubara> this one should be the right one
[16:05] <matsubara> looking good, some progress being made towards utopic.
[16:05] <matsubara> If anyone wants to raise something, please do stop me :-)
[16:05] <matsubara> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-u-server
[16:06] <matsubara> everyone, please keep your work items updated to reflect in the status.ubuntu.com page above...
[16:06] <matsubara> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:07] <matsubara> caribou, anything from you today?
[16:07] <caribou> matsubara: not a bug but I've been working on improving the kernel crash dump functionality
[16:07] <caribou> more precisely on networked kernel dumps
[16:07] <caribou> there is a test PPA available.
[16:07] <caribou> aside from that, nothing particular
[16:08] <matsubara> caribou, thanks, if you can paste the link to the PPA, I'll include it in the meeting minutes
[16:09] <caribou> matsubara: ppa:louis-bouchard/networked-kdump
[16:09] <matsubara> thanks
[16:09] <matsubara> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:09] <matsubara> psivaa-sprint, anything from you guys sprinting?
[16:10] <matsubara> moving on
[16:10] <matsubara> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:11] <matsubara> no smb or sforshee today
[16:11] <matsubara> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:12] <matsubara> Any upcoming server team event?
[16:12] <matsubara> ok, moving on
[16:12] <matsubara> #topic Open Discussion
[16:13] <matsubara> If you have anything server team related to raise, now is the time. :-)
[16:13] <caribou> matsubara: details about my kdump work : http://caribou.kamikamamak.com/2014/05/20/remote-kernel-crash-dump-for-debian-and-ubuntu/
[16:14] <caribou> btw, I created a blueprint for this but now I realize that it will not be required
[16:14] <caribou> as the enhancement will come in Debian first
[16:14] <matsubara> thanks caribou. I'll make sure to publish that as well. Is there any action you need someone in the server team to take related to that?
[16:15] <caribou> no not atm
[16:15] <matsubara> caribou, ok. thanks for the update!
[16:15] <matsubara> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:16] <matsubara> Next meeting on the 3rd of June, same bat time. Thanks for joining.
[16:16] <arosales> matsubara, thanks for charing :-)
[16:16] <gnuoy> thanks matsubara
[16:16] <caribou> thank matsubara
[16:16] <matsubara> you're welcome.
[16:16] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[16:16] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 27 16:16:49 2014 UTC.
[16:16] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-27-16.00.moin.txt


[03:12] <sturmflut_> http://www.meizu.com/products/ubuntu.html It's official!
[04:33] <ahoneybun> \o/
[06:49] <cliftonts> Morning all
[06:55] <cliftonts> ....or not.
[07:12] <DanChapman> :-D morning cliftonts
[07:14] <cliftonts> Aah! There is life.
[07:16] <cliftonts> A bit of a weird question, I'm accessing through the SDK and when I loaded today it did a wine configuration before it loaded up. Why on earth is Ubuntu specific software even touching wine?
[07:48] <bzoltan> cliftonts: the Ubuntu SDK has nothing to do with wine
[07:48] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  what ubuntu are you on?
[07:53] <cliftonts> 15.04
[07:53] <cliftonts> Trust me, I clicked the icon and configuring wine popped up for 10 seconds before the sdk loaded. Baffled me.
[07:55] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  it is not about trust :) I am the one who is responsible for most of the sdk packaging and package architecture ... trust me, there is no wine related bit in th SDK
[07:55] <cliftonts> I don't doubt it bzoltan, but that is what happened. Coincidence perhaps? Something else going on at the same time.
[07:56] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  i have not used wine inthe last 7 years.. so I do not know what wine uses on the system
[07:56] <cliftonts> Anyway, my reason for coming here is to find out if anyone can tell me what the average wait is for getting an application reviewed in the developer portal is.
[07:56] <cliftonts> I've been waiting for 10 days so far and the portal gives away no clues.
[07:56] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  I think it was a coincidence :)
[07:57] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  I do not know much about the developer portal' s intake process mhall119 might do.
[07:58] <cliftonts> There does not seem to be any way to get help or feedback on there. Just submit and twiddle your thumbs hoping it might eventually do something.
[07:58] <cliftonts> There is no wait longer than one where you can't tell your place in the queue!
[08:00] <cliftonts> I would use the SDK to create my app but it baffles me. I've all but given up trying to figure it out as nobody seems willing to tell me anything about it.
[08:04] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  about the store intake process mhall119 will help you.
[08:04] <bzoltan> cliftonts:  do you have any functional problem with the SDK?
[08:06] <cliftonts> My problem is that, like quickly or any of these systems that pre-build an empty frame for you, it throws several windows of code at you without actually telling you which ones you edit, which ones you shouldn't.
[08:06] <cliftonts> Or what each is for.
[08:06] <cliftonts> I have to dash out now anyway but I'm sure I'll crack it one day.


[01:40] <spackle259> hey guys. I had pihole installed in my system and than i removed it but it left static ip set in my system. I m not familier with the new convention of static ip settings. Because its not in the interfaces file anymore. How can i set my system back do dynamic ip ?
[02:20] <markc> Hi, using Kubuntu disco, after an update this morning I now have some kind of different "login manager" with an onscreen virtual keyboard that will not let me in so how could I disable login functionality (sddm?) altogether so I can at least get to my plasma desktop?
[02:21] <markc> My /etc/sddm.conf is unchanged with an [AutoLogin] section with plasma.desktop and my username
[02:22] <markc> Any hints as to what program or package name might be this "new login manager" ?
[02:23] <markc> I've tried stopping sddm and using startx but that just gets me a X error and quits
[03:05] <valorie> spackle259: you might ask in #ubuntu which is far larger
[03:05] <valorie> this isn't a kubuntu-only issue
[03:06] <valorie> markc: you might ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:06] <valorie> not many of us running disco yet
[03:12] <valorie> we are considering using calamares but I don't think we've decided to do that or switched over yet
[03:16] <markc> Thanks valorie
[03:18] <valorie> yw; good luck
[03:26] <markc> valorie: fwiw I think I am stuck with a half done transition to qt 5.12, as in kwin-common won't install because of 5.14.3 vs 5.14.80 dependencies
[03:27] <valorie> well, not everything is uploaded yet, much less tested and accepted
[03:27] <valorie> if you aren't in the devel chan you should /join #kubuntu-devel
[03:28] <valorie> and perhaps #ubuntu-release as well
[03:28] <markc> yep, if I had a clue I would have disabled any updates until some amount of dust had cleared
[03:28] <valorie> along with +1
[03:28] <valorie> heh
[03:29] <markc> So, as you suggest, I should lurk on those channels to get some clues. I really should do some simple plasma devel anyway
[03:32] <valorie> well then also join #plasma
[03:33] <valorie> :-)
[03:33] <valorie> and probably #kde-devel
[03:36] <valorie> right, if you lurk for awhile, eventually you'll be able to help newcomers and ask good questions too
[03:43] <markc> valorie: perhaps you can help me with some identity.kde.org advice, I have apparently used 2 email addresses in the past but I have no idea what username is associated with either one, but it rquires both a username matching an email address to get a new (for instance) password. How can I get past this barrier?
[03:43] <valorie> oh dear
[03:44] <valorie> well, usual advice is to ask in #kde-sysadmin
[03:44] <valorie> and then file a ticket if nobody is available to help
[03:44] <markc> Heh, yet another channel, but of course :)
[03:44] <valorie> however, you can't file a ticket if you can't login
[03:44] <valorie> so in that case, write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with all the details
[03:45] <valorie> they will fix you right up
[03:45] <valorie> and hopefully disable the account you don't want
[03:45] <valorie> everyone should have one and only one
[03:45] <markc> Right. Now I remember why I set up a second email account, because of the same issue with the first one. I am reluctant to set up a 3rd email account :-/
[03:46] <valorie> :(
[03:46] <valorie> better to get it fixed, yes
[03:46] <markc> Heh, when I get my desktop thundrbird working again I'll email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as you suggest. Thanks again.
[03:47] <valorie> they might be able to fix it on the spot in the chan
[04:13] <markc> valorie: I'm not sure I have the time to persist with sorting out an identity so if you ever get a chance to ask someone why on earth they require both a username and email address to do something as simple as reset a password then that alone may remove one little barrier to encouraging more people to get involved.
[04:14] <valorie> they are trying to get something to replace the current system but that's taking place in "spare time" which as always is short
[04:15] <markc> that's encouraging to hear
[04:16] <markc> I've been using KDE for more than 20 years and would like to get more involved but there are just too many "buts" (for me)
[05:05] <valorie> well, KDE is a community and we all do what we can
[05:05] <valorie> including me, a non-coding grandma
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[18:20] <hangar18> how do i get kontact/kmail to automatically delete emails even though i've got it set to do so?
[18:21] <hangar18> i've got emails from over a week ago that should've been deleted by now.
[18:54] <samlamamma> Hi, I would like to get a digital clock on the top of the screen similar to GNOME3 (such that I can see the time even when one of my programs are maximized)
[18:55] <samlamamma> Oh right, my question is: How could I solve this?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> I just use the digital clock in the panel
[19:12] <samlamamma> BluesKaj: Yeah, I've got the panel on autohide to save on screen space
[19:15] <samlamamma> Also in general: Wow Kubuntu is way snappier than Ubuntu. Or more like KDE is faster than GNOME


[13:48] <fafle> Hi, did anybody had success with installing ubuntu desctop on nexus 7 2013 LTE recently?
[20:18] <caden> Hey, I am having problems logging in to Ubuntu on my Raspberry Pi 2B. Can someone please help me?


[01:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:55] <sorcerer> hallo
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> hey sorcerer
[01:58] <sorcerer> how goes it
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> all good over here tnx
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> bout you sorcerer
[02:04] <sorcerer> pretty good just nerding out
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[07:37] <ducasse> good morning
[13:20] <marcoagpinto> Hey hey hey
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> start your topic here ddubya
[16:50] <ddubya> thanks, what can I use switch user sessions in gdm (assuming I have multiple session logged in), using the command line
[16:50] <ddubya> i use chvt currently and it works, but sometimes gpu locks up shortly after
[16:52] <ddubya> there was once a dbus method to do this, but it doesn't seem to be present in gdm anymore (20.04)
[19:12] <leftyfb> ok, guys, we need some serious help. We're running some robots wirelessly. They were originally running xenial but we moved to bionic. Now when robots roam between AP's using PSK_FT(802.11r) , we get "wlp2s0: DHCP lease lost" from systemd-networkd and they go through the process of renewing DHCP. This shouldn't be needed and is causing delays/drops in traffic and big problems. I've been at this for months. We've looked into different
[19:12] <leftyfb> kernels, wifi chipsets, drivers, firmware. We can't seem to find where this is coming from or what is causing it
[19:14] <leftyfb> I could post this in #u, but I really don't want to get all the less experienced people chiming in with "did you try"'s that aren't very helpful
[19:25] <leftyfb> Here's some more info on the issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/1281380/networkd-and-wpa-supplicant-with-roaming
[20:00] <sarnold> leftyfb: that's all well outside my experience; I've heard good things about iwd, it might be worth a try if you're completely stuck https://lwn.net/Articles/770991/
[20:00] <sarnold> leftyfb: but if this worked in a previous release and doesn't work now, it's probably also worth a bug report
[20:00] <leftyfb> It might be
[20:01] <leftyfb> We have is do
[20:01] <leftyfb> We have iwd on our radar but it’s not available in bionic I think
[20:08] <sarnold> oh, bugger :(
[20:14] <leftyfb> yeah, it seems bionic is sort of broken with all of this roaming stuff and not a lot of options to fix it
[21:58] <Bashing-om> UWN659 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue659 :D


[09:39] <Daviey> beuno: ping
[12:23] <popey> evolution + IMAP = ☻
[12:23] <popey> er
[12:26] <mdke> bless you
[12:26] <mdke> speaking of which, /me goes to see if his gmail includes imap support yet
[12:27] <mdke> bleh
[12:31] <popey> heh
[12:32] <popey> i just set google to forward all mail to another account and pick up from there via imap
[12:32] <mdke> I need a good webmail interface, google is the only one I've found so far
[12:32] <popey> I hear good things about zimbra
[12:33] <popey> but yes, I like the gmail interface
[12:33] <mdke> but I'd quite like to import my old email and use a client from home
[12:33] <mdke> the gmail labelling thing instead of filters rocks
[12:33] <popey> if you had your own server or an account on a server you could import your mail into it
[12:33] <popey> heh
[12:33] <popey> yeah
[12:33] <mdke> well, my old email is on my server
[12:33] <mdke> I just can't import it into gmail
[12:34] <mdke> at least not until I get their imap support when I assume it will be possible
[12:38] <popey> yeah, i guess you could just drag the mail in
[12:38] <popey> thats how I migrated my wife from pop3 to imap, just dragged all her mail up to the server
[12:42]  * mdke nods
[12:42] <mdke> popey: so are you sorted already? how are things out there?
[12:49] <popey> pretty good
[12:50] <popey> nice hotel, met a few canonical peeps last night
[12:50] <mdke> good
[15:48] <popey> what's the status on comments on the fridge
[15:49] <popey> ?
[19:40] <m4ytt> hi dont suppose some 1 can help me can they


[18:54] <bcurtiswx> maco, you plan on attenting Bug Jam ?
[19:09] <maco> maybe later in the evening
[19:19] <bcurtiswx> OK, thx


[12:13] <imbrandon> yea it was kinda interesting
[12:13] <imbrandon> heh
[12:15] <imbrandon> ahh just read the mail on u-devel
[12:15] <imbrandon> its a psudo freeze left upto the developer for now about things needed only critical for beta
[12:15] <imbrandon> whoops
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:16] <imbrandon> Other low-risk bugfix-only uploads are still OK for now, but expect uploads
[12:16] <imbrandon> to start requiring approval very soon.
[12:17] <imbrandon> ^^ tagged at the end heheh
[12:18] <imbrandon> heh i wish ubuntu-devel wasent full of so much junk i would read it more, but most of the time the thread turn into long rambling things hard to follow
[12:20] <Hobbsee> true that
[12:20] <Hobbsee> i want a button that says "dont email me about the rest of this subject"
[12:20] <imbrandon> hahaha how true
[12:23] <DaSkreech> One of his TODO was something brought up in the meeting
[12:38] <DaSkreech> Well I'm off night a
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: make it (all of 10 mins) add it to the depends of ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop so on when you use echo make sure it says Hobbsee said "dont email me about the rest of this subject" :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hmmm?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> just a reminder button :)
[01:01] <abattoir> Riddell: yes i did, havent heard from him yet though
[01:02] <Riddell> abattoir: well he'll be sleeping, but good to get it in tomorrow
[01:02] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[01:03] <nixternal> just noticed ya was hangin' out
[01:03] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: explain to that to me when i get back :P
[01:03] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm out
[01:03] <Hobbsee> my battery's about to die
[01:03] <abattoir> Riddell: i sent it around 5 hrs. ago, and he seems to have been online(active) after that, but still :)
[01:03] <nixternal> whee
[01:03] <nixternal> later Hobbsee
[01:03] <abattoir> hi nixternal, Hobbsee :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:03] <nixternal> hiya abattoir!
[01:03] <nixternal> dinner sounds good
[01:03] <nixternal> her battery just died ;)
[02:29] <jdong> startkeylogger :P
[02:30] <jdong> (you can tell jdong has just taken his pain medication when.......)
[02:30] <Jucato_> jdong: any news on flash?
[02:31] <jdong> Jucato_: I haven't been able to ping infinity yet
[02:31] <jdong> even the candles-and-circles routine didn't work
[02:31] <jdong> but it MIGHT be something about the 5 fricking Openoffice builds that are holding things up :P
[02:31] <Jucato_> hm... maybe you didn't ping long enough? after all he is infinite :P
[02:32] <Jucato_> oh well, goog thing I don't need to use sites w/ flash that much :)
[02:32] <jdong> Jucato_: does your flash not work??
[02:32] <jdong> Jucato_: install the edgy package
[02:33] <jdong> it should be binary-compatible with dapper
[02:33] <Jucato_> hm... ok. just download it from p.u.c?
[02:34] <jdong> Jucato_: yep
[02:35] <Jucato_> and I'll just remove it when the fixed update is available?
[02:35] <jdong> Jucato_: you can if you want, it's not harmful to have it. it'll be binary-identical to the backported package
[02:36] <Jucato_> ah ok. thanks! :)
[02:36] <jdong> Jucato_: flash is flash is flash.... the package is nothing more than a fancy version of wget and tar -xzvf :)
[02:36] <Jucato_> heh, well, I try not to deal with .tar.gz if I can :P
[02:40] <Jucato_> yay working now. thanks! :P
[02:45] <crimsun> fabo: hobbsee was subbed, and I presumed she'd have a better idea regarding whether the dh_iconcache(1) delta had been subsumed (I didn't have time atm to grab the new source package to check)
[03:06] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:06] <jjesse> howdy
[03:45] <Riddell> jjesse: is the switching guide good to include?
[03:52] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[03:54] <jjesse> Riddell: no i isn't
[03:54] <jjesse> Riddell: sorry was walkin the dog
[03:54] <Riddell> jjesse: it didn't get finished?
[03:54] <Riddell> hmm, doesn't validate
[03:55] <jjesse> Riddell: not for kubuntu, it is finished for ubuntu
[03:55] <Riddell> humbug
[03:55] <jjesse> sorry it seems the docs are the best this release for sme reason :(
[03:56] <jjesse> not only for kubuntu but also ubuntu
[03:58] <jjesse> and i don't know why, too short of schedule?, not enough interest? focus elsewhere?  don't really understand why this time
[04:01] <jjesse> but swiching guide is first and foremost for kubuntu, its started and will be finished
[04:01] <Riddell> jjesse: any idea how to update the .pot files in the docs?
[04:02] <jjesse> Riddell: no, but i can check
[04:02] <Riddell> jjesse: will be finished by not for edgy?
[04:02] <jjesse> edgy +1
[04:06] <jjesse> Riddell: are you paying attetion to #ubuntu-docs?
[04:26] <Riddell> jjesse: docs uploaded, please apply this to the svn archive http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-docs.diff
[04:27] <nixternal> Riddell: i did the kubuntu .pot files earlier today
[04:30] <nixternal> jjesse: are you applying that patch?  or shall i?
[04:30] <jjesse> nixternal: can you, i'm busy right now trying to finish the updated chapter
[04:30] <nixternal> alright
[04:30] <nixternal> will do
[04:33] <nixternal> done
[05:13] <imbrandon> gnight nixternal , Riddell , Jucato , and *
[05:13] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:13] <Jucato> night imbrandon!!! :)
[05:13] <nixternal> i gotta go to
[05:13] <nixternal> heading to canada in like 6 hours
[05:13] <imbrandon> cutiecoder?
[05:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:13] <nixternal> ouch
[05:13] <Jucato> heh
[05:13] <nixternal> i thought she was in wv
[05:13] <imbrandon> thought you might be going to visit her
[05:13] <nixternal> heh, she comes here bud
[05:13] <imbrandon> i thought ca
[05:14] <imbrandon> dunno i dont talk to her much
[05:14] <nixternal> i have no clue..i am a best man in a wedding
[05:14] <imbrandon> anyway, gnight
[05:14] <nixternal> wheee
[05:14] <Jucato> if cutiecoder becomes a developer, Hobbsee's gonna have some competition :P
[05:14] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:14] <imbrandon> Jucato: she never will, not enough disipline
[05:15] <Jucato> heh. it would be fun to watch though. Hobbsee's whip vs. cutiecoder's guns :P
[05:15] <imbrandon> ZzzzZzzZzzZ
[05:15] <nixternal> ya right  ;0
[05:15] <nixternal> damn shift button
[05:15] <Jucato> heh
[08:38] <fabo> crimsun: do you know if dh_iconcache will be introduced in debian ?
[09:24] <crimsun> fabo: Last I know it's under discussion
[09:41] <fabo> crimsun: there's many package now that use dh_iconcache, and it's difficult to sync "as is" debian package while dh_iconcache isn't available
[10:17] <crimsun> unfortunately the prerogative isn't Kubuntu's
[11:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee! :)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[11:36] <fabo> Hobbsee: could you re-confirm 61845 and 61847. scott james remnant prefers new bug reports than re-opening
[11:36] <Hobbsee> right....
[11:36] <Hobbsee> bug 61845
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61845 in icecc "Please sync icecc 0.7.14 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61845
[11:36] <Hobbsee> bug 61847
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61847 in clucene-core "Please sync clucene-core (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61847
[11:40] <Hobbsee> fabo: done
[11:43] <Tonio_> hi
[11:44] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[11:50] <fabo> Hobbsee: thanks
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fabo: :)
[11:51] <fabo> akademy time ;)
[11:51] <fabo> see you later
[11:51] <Hobbsee> have fun!
[11:51] <Jucato> nice
[11:51] <Jucato> good luck aKademy guys!
[11:51] <fabo> hehe :)
[11:52] <Jucato> have fun (but not too much) :P
[11:52] <Jucato> heh.. if only there were live video feeds for the aKademy... I'm gonna be glued to my chair...
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, i wouldnt mind...
[11:59] <Hobbsee> you do not exploit your employees by asking them to work at a particular time, waiting until they say yes, and then go "oh, you're working in another section entirely"
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ie, gotcha
[11:59] <Hobbsee> tha'ts not what i agreed to do - and she doesnt accept the word "no"
[11:59] <Jucato> grr..
[12:00] <Hobbsee> *wonders where this duty manager position is*
[12:01] <Hobbsee> bugger, bet it's in grocery.  *grumbles*
[12:01] <Jucato> so you're still at work?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> no, i dont have a net connection at work
[12:02] <Hobbsee> wish i did
[12:03] <Jucato> ah
[12:03] <Hobbsee> i was out doing fun things today
[12:05] <Hobbsee> therefore not being online
[12:05] <Hobbsee> er, s/bilo/do not answer/
[12:05] <Hobbsee> i'm not telling :P
[12:05] <Jucato> hah
[12:08] <Hobbsee> oh....sucky, i cant work where i want to work
[12:09] <Hobbsee> before i go nuts, and/or injure myself too badly
[12:09] <Jucato> are we talking about work-work or work-kubuntu?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> work work
[12:09] <Jucato> ah
[12:09] <Hobbsee> i like kubuntu stuff :)
[12:09] <Jucato> heh
[12:09] <Jucato> specially when your X goes bonkers on you
[12:10] <Hobbsee> hah, yeah
[12:10] <Hobbsee> still havent booted to that kernel again yet
[12:10] <Jucato> 2.6.17-28 was it?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStickOfDoom': Linux 2.6.17-7-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 932/994MB, 102 proc's, 42.33min up
[12:10] <Hobbsee> 2.6.17-8-generic broke on me
[12:10] <Jucato> ah -8...
[12:11] <Jucato> hm.. haven't booted into it yet on the "real" Edgy. but virtual Edgy seems fine
[12:12] <insanekane> Hobbsee: long pointy stick of doom ? :)
[12:12] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yep :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's the story with kopete in dapper?  it's got 0.12.2?
[12:19] <Jucato> still not there
[12:19] <Jucato> same with Konversation
[12:19] <Jucato> only k3b made it to backports so far
[12:21] <kwwii_> re
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: darn, okay
[12:21] <Jucato> hi kwwii_!!
[12:22] <kwwii_> hi Jucato
[12:22] <kwwii_> hi Hobbsee
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii_ :)
[01:25] <kwwii_> is Riddell already off to akademy?
[01:27] <Tonio_> kwwii_: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/
[01:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: the interesting point is that they seem to use compiz, but the window decorator looks like kwin...
[01:28] <Tonio_> strange...... I wonder how they have done that
[01:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: nope
[01:28] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[01:28] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:28] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[01:28] <kwwii_> hi Riddell
[01:28] <kwwii_> Tonio_: neat marketing there
[01:29] <kwwii_> eggs, wine, and GNU/Linux
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe yes ;)
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: the point is that the compiz window decorator is not supposed to be themable
[01:30] <Tonio_> that's the strage issue......; I will investigate, since if they have done a kind of binding for kwin themes, that could be VERY interesting
[01:30] <kwwii_> Tonio_: ahhhh, didn't know that
[01:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes, that's the major issue with compiz, you cannot theme the window decorator, but they are doing it....
[01:30] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: if you look at kde based distros with compiz, they all have the same window deco, except this one.......
[01:31] <Tonio_> they have a live cd, I'm downloading
[01:31] <kwwii_> it'll be llike 5 more years till I have a computer with a graphics card that supports that
[01:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: just buy a pc ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> kwwii_: compiz works nicelly on a low price laptop
[01:32] <Tonio_> kwwii_: it doesn't need a powerfull machine
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=735&slide=10&title=sabayonlinux+3.0+screenshots
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting no ? it is the first time I can see a compiz using kwin themes......
[01:35] <Riddell> that looks like the vista window manager theme
[01:35] <Riddell> I don't see anything to suggest it's kwin
[01:36] <kwwii_> hehe, they are using the kdm theme I made for suse
[01:36] <kwwii_> I seee that again and again
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaik compiz is not themable.......
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: am I wrong ?
[01:37] <Tonio_> hum yes I'm wrong, it can use gnome themes....... so you're right.... should be that......
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ooh, people
[01:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey ;)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like mdz doesn't want of the new scribus. the reason is that it is more a feature release and there are no mentions to bug resolved, which makes sense...
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: fair enough I guess
[01:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: how did you get on with koffice?
[02:18] <kwwii_> re
[02:46] <zorglu_> q. im trying to narrow down the reason of why kded eat 100% cpu on my box, it keep reading on a socket, socket:[18751]  according to /proc, how can i convert socket:[18751]  to a more readable format ?
[02:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: hi
[02:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: i never could get past the autoconf thing, i tried it on my amd64 too as you sugested
[02:56] <imbrandon> but still same thing
[02:56] <imbrandon> make -f Makefile.cvs ( admin/cvs.sh ) cont find autoconf2.6 even with the patch, i manualy checked the file etc
[02:57] <imbrandon> thus no ./configure script, thus i couldent get it to build
[02:57] <imbrandon> ;(
[03:00] <Riddell> imbrandon: it doesn't need the patch, you're going mad :)
[03:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: tried "fakeroot debian/rules buildprep" ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> ah autoconf issue.......
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can I look at yout source package ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I have time to check today
[03:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[03:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i know it doesent what i'm getting at is with or without it
[03:03] <imbrandon> it still dident like autoconf 2.6
[03:04] <Hobbsee> !ping
[03:04] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[03:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yea Riddell has the tarball
[03:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_: pong
[03:04] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: url please ?
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: svn koffice or latest available tarball ?
[03:05] <imbrandon> neither afaik an unavail tarbal
[03:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:05] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/koffice-1.5.92.tar.bz2
[03:05] <Riddell> but that's top secret
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying a package :)
[03:06] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/koffice/koffice-1.5.92$ make -f Makefile.cvs
[03:06] <imbrandon> This Makefile is only for the CVS repository
[03:06] <imbrandon> This will be deleted before making the distribution
[03:06] <imbrandon> ./admin/cvs.sh: 653: --version: not found
[03:06] <imbrandon> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[03:06] <imbrandon> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[03:06] <imbrandon> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[03:06] <imbrandon> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[03:06] <imbrandon> gah
[03:06] <imbrandon> dident mean to paste in here, but thats the error
[03:06] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the patch isn't appylied......
[03:06] <imbrandon> and YES i have autoconf installed
[03:06] <imbrandon> Tonio_: it shouldent need it
[03:07] <imbrandon> Tonio_: it has the new admin/
[03:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: cvs.sh refers to autoconf 2.6 ?
[03:07] <imbrandon> yes
[03:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah.........
[03:07] <Tonio_> very strange.......;
[03:07] <Tonio_> okay I'll have a look
[03:07] <imbrandon> yup
[03:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: any specific problems with patches we already have ? just earn time packaging
[03:09] <imbrandon> there were 2 in debian/patches/common that dident apply but the rest are ok
[03:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great, thanks
[03:09] <imbrandon> ( using the debain dir from kubuntu.org from 1.6 beta 1 )
[03:10] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay thanks for the info
[03:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: used pbuilder ?
[03:18] <imbrandon> yes
[03:18] <Tonio_> cause if you built it locally, you probably should have done a "export autoconf=autoconf"
[03:18] <Tonio_> ah......
[03:18] <Tonio_> sometimes I get issues if I don't do that before a debuild
[03:19] <Tonio_> but if it's pbuilder it should be okay
[03:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay I'm building, will let you know
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the first point is that ALL patches are applyed here.......;
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: did you touch the source somehow ?
[03:26] <imbrandon> nope
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: weird.......
[03:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I don't have any issue with any patch
[03:27] <imbrandon> ok then i was thinking of something else
[03:27] <imbrandon> i have built alot of packages the last days
[03:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/13
[03:27] <imbrandon> point is did the configure script get generated ?
[03:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the build is slow :) will tell you in a minute
[03:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: one thing is sure : fakeroot debian/rules buildprep works......
[03:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so the build should work too
[03:28] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/14
[03:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: works.........
[03:28] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[03:29] <imbrandon> sorry ? heh
[03:29] <Tonio_> sorry to tell you that I can't reproduce your issue ;)
[03:30] <Tonio_> I would have prefer to reproduce and correct that with you, that's the point
[03:30] <imbrandon> no worries, i'm starting with a freash build now .....
[03:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: maybe recreate your pbuilder....... I don't know
[03:31] <imbrandon> its was BEFORE i even got into pbuilder
[03:31] <imbrandon> nvm
[03:31] <Tonio_> ah......
[03:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well if it works here, better not waste your time, I'll send the packages to Riddell
[03:31] <imbrandon> Tonio_: for all 3 arches on all dapper and edgy ?
[03:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, no, point :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: isn't there a build system for this ?
[03:32] <imbrandon> hehe if it builds for you fine i'll make the rest
[03:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you mean all kubuntu packages are done manually ?????????
[03:32] <imbrandon> the ones for kubuntu.org are
[03:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah....... configure not found :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:33] <imbrandon> yea ......
[03:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay I see, what we have to do is a buildprep
[03:33] <Tonio_> did you do that ?
[03:33] <imbrandon> ok now NOT in pbuilder run
[03:33] <imbrandon> make -f Makefile.cvs
[03:33] <imbrandon> thats what makes the configure script
[03:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope I'm running buildprep instead
[03:33] <Tonio_> better since it applies patches before generating files
[03:34] <Riddell> I'm sure I've already said this :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and you're right :) it works very nicelly :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: you give the lesson, I only repeat :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: try ""fakeroot debian/rules buildprep"
[03:34] <imbrandon> yea i applied the pacthes and tried it that way too
[03:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: pst, "make -f"
[03:35] <imbrandon> i did that yesterday .....
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean ?
[03:35] <imbrandon> make -f debian/rules buildprep .......
[03:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum what is the difference ? works nicelly the way O do too :)
[03:35] <Riddell> with fakeroot :)
[03:36] <imbrandon> err yea dots at the wrong end
[03:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: needs debian/rules to be executable and the #! line to be there
[03:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it looks like it is already there since it works :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: but okay, your solution is more generic
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya
[03:37] <Tonio_> yop bddebian
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[03:37] <Tonio_> I'm getting mad with vbuilletin upgrade......... templates are a pain to get sync
[03:38] <Tonio_> and pureftpd definitly sucks.......
[03:38] <imbrandon> ok either way buildprep is not likeing my autoconf either
[03:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, try this : "export autoconf=autoconf && fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep"
[03:39] <Tonio_> maybe that'll work
[03:39] <imbrandon> no change
[03:39] <Tonio_> I sometimes get issues with $autoconf undefined......
[03:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: grmpf, that sucks.......
[03:39] <Tonio_> very strange
[03:40] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, just FYI, Kamion has uploaded oem-config-1.4, i'll test tomorrow's build.
[03:40] <Riddell> abattoir: saw that, great stuff
[03:41] <Jucato> wow abattoir's alive...
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: once build is over do you want the files ? I assume yes....
[03:41] <abattoir> Jucato: passively
[03:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_ / Riddell : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/15
[03:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: HEY, DON'T USE MY WEBSERVER !!!!!!!!! ^_^
[03:42] <imbrandon> lol
[03:42] <Jucato> heh
[03:43] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[03:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, I must say I don't understand......
[03:43] <imbrandon> look at the bottom , the last 2 commands
[03:44] <imbrandon> and i JUST untared it again to make sure all was clean
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you paste $autoconf --version
[03:45] <Tonio_> ?
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: looks like a local issue, but that's, I must say, very bizarre :)
[03:45] <fdoving> Tonio_: your eaccellerator link is broken, nice page :]
[03:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i only have one autoconf installed
[03:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: ah ? thanks for the info :)
[03:46] <imbrandon> and that is at the bottom of that paste
[03:46] <danimo> heya!
[03:46] <danimo> kwwii_: nice work!
[03:46] <imbrandon> ello danimo
[03:46] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[03:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/koffice_1.5.92.orig.tar.gz being uploaded (8 mins to go)
[03:48] <imbrandon> Riddell: kk
[03:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: the link is correct now
[03:48] <fdoving> :)
[03:48] <imbrandon> rm -rf *
[03:48] <imbrandon> err
[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: wanna test my package ? configure runs, so it should be okay
[03:49] <imbrandon> i'll grab the new tarbal from Riddell and try it first
[03:49] <imbrandon> then we'll go that way
[03:49] <jdong> Hobbsee: you rang?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah, status of kopete in dapper backports, if the bug got fixed
[03:50] <jdong> Hobbsee: will check up on that
[03:50] <danimo> edgy looks very nice now
[03:50] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:51] <jdong> Jucato: flash should be fixed, the build went through at least
[03:51] <danimo> I'd like to get a working usb key hotplug back :)
[03:51] <danimo> kde reacts on the hal event
[03:51] <danimo> but doesn't actually mount anything, and errors out
[03:52] <Jucato> jdong: ok I'll try it out
[03:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: you headed to dublin today ?
[03:57] <Jucato> jdong: of course it hasn't hit dapper-backports yet, has it?
[03:57] <jdong> Jucato: it should have? :)
[03:57] <Jucato> hm.. I'll try connecting directly to archive.ubuntu.com...
[03:57] <Jucato> coz it's not working here...
[03:58] <jdong> it might still be a bit before it shows up on archive
[03:58] <jdong> I just noticed that it passed through buildd
[03:58] <Jucato> jdong: ah... that was what I was asking heheh... what's the package name so I could check?
[03:58] <jdong> flashplugin-nonfree
[03:59] <Jucato> jdong: I mean the version? (7.0.68~ubuntu1~dapper1 is the one that's not working, right?)
[03:59] <jdong> corect
[03:59] <jdong> ubuntu2~dapper1 is working
[04:00] <Jucato> ah ok. I'll check it once in a while to see if it's there already :P
[04:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: tar uploaded all the way? i'm a grab it , hope so
[04:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[04:08] <imbrandon> cool
[04:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudn't we plan a new kubuntu-meeting ?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> could be a plan
[04:27] <Hobbsee> what are we saying?
[04:28] <imbrandon> that the sky is yellow and the grass is purple .... ;)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> yellow sky would be cool
[04:29] <imbrandon> purple grass would be too
[04:29] <crimsun> please, we don't want a gnome-ish colour scheme
[04:29] <imbrandon> heh i might gimp someting up why koffice compiles
[04:29] <Tonio_> next week would be good to get beta feedback
[04:29] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahaha
[04:29] <imbrandon> purple and yeallow are gnomish ?
[04:29] <imbrandon> yellow*
[04:30] <imbrandon> next thurs at 2100 UTC ? any objections ?
[04:30] <crimsun> no, it was a side-long shot at the slightly garish colours
[04:30] <imbrandon> Riddell Tonio_ Hobbsee  ^^^
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wont like it
[04:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: perfect for me
[04:31] <imbrandon> crimsun: ahhh hehe
[04:31] <Hobbsee> er, can you revisit this tomorrow?  i'll have gotten shifts for work by then, so will know what's going on
[04:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: although tuesday would be better in my view
[04:31] <Jucato> what won't I like? yellow? purple? :P
[04:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ok we'll "tentively" plan it for then pending your schedules from work
[04:32] <imbrandon> sound good ?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking of saying "push it later"
[04:32] <Hobbsee> also, jjesse will probably want to come too
[04:32] <Hobbsee> (seeing as i'm not at uni next week, i dont have such a tight schedule)
[04:33] <imbrandon> well later would put Riddell at the wee hours of the morning
[04:34] <Hobbsee> we'll find something
[04:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:34] <imbrandon> true
[04:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I could probably get up that early again, no biggie (I'm not that important :P )
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sure you are
[04:35] <Jucato> well, at least not YET :P
[04:35] <Jucato> *evil laugh*
[04:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: btw that tar worked perfect for me this time, its building now on 2 machines to test ( i386 and amd64 edgy on both ) if it builds fine i'll start all the other builds
[04:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: you said something about it might not build on ppc ?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hey now, i'm the one taking over the world :P
[04:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: due to ruby?
[04:37] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: that only affects 64bit ppc afaik
[04:37] <imbrandon> not sure
[04:37] <Jucato> ok... I'm satisfied with one continent, just not Australia :P
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:38] <Jucato> heh
[04:38] <imbrandon> bwhahah
[04:38] <Jucato> I bet you'd claim wherever the largest mt.dew factory is located :P
[04:38] <imbrandon> gah well i thought i was perfect
[04:38] <imbrandon> jesus
[04:39] <imbrandon> man i'm going mad over this
[04:43] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[04:43] <imbrandon> heya Mez
[04:44] <Mez> heya
[04:44] <Mez> imbrandon, get main upload yet ?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hi Mez
[04:44] <imbrandon> Mez: yupers
[04:44] <Hobbsee> he did, he's very important now
[04:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: not anymore than before ;( i just can break alot more systems
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:45] <Hobbsee> sure you ar
[04:45] <Hobbsee> e
[04:45] <crimsun> stop breaking stuff in main!
[04:45] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:45] <Jucato> Hobbsee: first time I heard you called by your first name :P
[04:46] <Mez> imbrandon: do you reckon it might be possible for you to put thourgh a UVF request for katapult
[04:46] <imbrandon> Jucato: she is every once ina  while ;)
[04:46] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: Mez likes doing that.
[04:46] <imbrandon> Mez: i can try, got a changelog for me
[04:46] <Jucato> it's nice to hear it once in a while :P
[04:46] <crimsun> beta freeze was yesterday...
[04:46] <imbrandon> yea it has to be important for beta
[04:46] <Mez> imbrandon: it's pretty much stuff thats in as patches in the ubuntu
[04:47] <imbrandon> ahh hrm, well they are only wanting uploads atm to fix broken stuff for the beta atm
[04:47] <imbrandon> so if it can wait , it would probably be better to
[04:48] <imbrandon> but if not we can try
[04:48] <Mez> imbrandon, you on edgy now ?
[04:48] <imbrandon> yup
[04:49] <Mez> can you do me a favour- y ou running katapult ?
[04:49] <imbrandon> sure and yes
[04:51] <Mez> Jucato, no
[04:51] <Mez> imbrandon, type a few letters for a program
[04:51] <Jucato> heh... :)
[04:51] <Mez> then hit backspace
[04:51] <Mez> how many chars does it delete ?
[04:51] <imbrandon> haha 2
[04:51] <imbrandon> 2 at a time
[04:51] <Mez> f00k
[04:51] <Hobbsee>  2
[04:51] <Hobbsee> oh, so *that's* why my backspace never works the way i thought
[04:51] <imbrandon> heh
[04:51] <Mez> It appeared for some reason ...
[04:51] <Mez> imbrandon, can you download the latest bzr version and check if that does the same ?
[04:52] <imbrandon> Mez: yea but it will be a while before i have the cpu cycles to compile it, koffice is curning away atm
[04:52] <Mez> imbrandon - how about I poke you a deb over ?
[04:53] <imbrandon> Mez: that would be perfect
[04:53] <imbrandon> i'm on my i386 box atm
[04:53] <Mez> ;)
[04:53] <Riddell> hi Mez
[04:53] <Jucato> nice... 2 characters at a time... :P
[04:53] <Riddell> imbrandon: no ruby on ppc edgy so it won't build there
[04:54] <Mez> Riddell: have you any idea where that bug came from ? the first time I saw it was on your lappy
[04:54] <imbrandon> ok i'll just do the amd64 and i386 on dapper/edgy then, well do the ppc ones later
[04:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: make sure all the files are installed before you start on dapper
[04:54] <imbrandon> k
[04:55] <Riddell> Mez: what bug?
[04:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: start katapult , type kate and then backspace
[04:55] <Mez> Riddell: double bakspace in katapult
[04:55] <imbrandon> deletes 2 chars at a time
[04:56] <Riddell> Mez: I've no idea where it came from no
[04:57] <Mez> Riddell: I blame you for it - lol :D
[04:58] <Mez> imbrandon, get that ?
[04:58] <imbrandon> grabbing it now
[05:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: my build failed........ no left space on device, after one hour :'(
[05:01] <imbrandon> Mez: still fails ( and doesnt have the new colors heheh )
[05:01] <imbrandon> err doublebackspaces
[05:02] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: you mean not all devels have 600 gig harddrives :)
[05:02] <Mez> imbrandon: noone sent me the patch for the new colours ;)
[05:02] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: not on my laptop unfortunately ;)
[05:02] <imbrandon> Mez: ahhh
[05:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i have a build going now, we'll see how it gos
[05:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[05:03] <imbrandon> i have 2 gig ram 2 gig swap and a 160+ gig hdd, i better not run outa space ;)
[05:03] <imbrandon> ( on this box )
[05:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a way to tell if all the files are install AFTER the deb is built ?
[05:07] <Riddell> dh_install --list-missing
[05:07] <imbrandon> k
[05:07] <Riddell> you're not using pbuilder are you?
[05:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: i am for this build, should i not be ?
[05:08] <Riddell> you won't be able to do anything if it goes wrong
[05:08] <Riddell> changes are there's some new file that has been added, or one removed
[05:08] <imbrandon> ahh shiznit, right , ok /me stops it
[05:08] <Riddell> built it in a chroot first on 1 platform, fix any problems then do the final thing in a pbuilder if you want to be sure
[05:09] <imbrandon> right ... i wasent thinking
[05:09] <imbrandon> no biggie it wasent too far
[05:28] <imbrandon> woot finaly to the gcc compiling part heh, now we're getting somewhere
[05:29] <imbrandon> i figured out the configure problem too i think, not sure , but i dident have automake1.9 installed
[05:30] <imbrandon> anyhow its /actualy/ building now, e.g gcc/g++ is churning .... so now to grab a bit to eat and wait
[05:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:33] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:33] <Riddell> pong
[05:33] <Riddell> although in British English it's called Table Tennis
[05:34] <abattoir> heh :P
[05:34] <Mez> Riddell: ok, with bug 60136, I'm working on a fix - but checking the version number is a huge PITA
[05:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136
[05:34] <Jucato> lol
[05:34] <Mez> Riddell: should I just assume they have the latest version of katapult ?
[05:34] <Mez> s/katapult/amarok/
[05:34] <Riddell> Mez: sure, we just can't backport it then
[05:35] <Mez> Riddell: hmm... true
[05:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure we can becosue if they have -backports enabled then they ahve the new amarok tooo
[05:36] <Mez> but check a string >=1.4.2 (which could include SVN versions) is a large PITA
[05:36] <Mez> Riddell: plus we're going to get people moaning about it on other systems than ubuntu
[05:36] <Mez> Riddell: know any easy way to check the version number (which we can easily get as a qstring) is better
[05:36] <Riddell> imbrandon wins, just ignore people using old amarok
[05:37] <Mez> actually... wouldnt string comparison work ?
[05:37] <Riddell> amarok --version
[05:37] <imbrandon> is there a dcop way to get the version ?
[05:38] <Mez> dcop amarok player version
[05:39] <Mez> will return the version
[05:39] <Mez> but comparison check against it ....
[05:39] <Mez> imbrandon, can you do this please
[05:39] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption
 = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:40] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption <maxx_k> = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:40] <imbrandon> returns nothing
[05:40] <Mez> imbrandon, whoops
[05:40] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:41] <imbrandon> returns 1
[05:41] <Mez> sweet
[05:41] <Mez> that means you're using a dynamic collection
[05:42] <imbrandon> hehe ok
[05:44] <imbrandon> forgive me for being ignorant , i ahvent looked at a single line of katapult code but when you send the url cant you "dcop amarok player version" and do a if/else for amarok >=1.4.2 and still keep the old way for the other ?
[05:44] <imbrandon> Mez: ^^
[05:45] <imbrandon> i mean worst case convert the string to a int or someting easy to compare
[05:45] <imbrandon> etc
[05:45] <Mez> 1.4.2 = ! int
[05:45] <Mez> imbrandon : I'm planning on keeping the old way
[05:45] <imbrandon> okies ;)
[05:45] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "select count(*) from admin where noption = 'Database Devices Version'"
[05:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how is the build going this time ?
[05:46] <Mez> returns 1 for >=1.4.2 0 for <1.4.2
[05:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_: looks like its gonna work this time
[05:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[05:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_: still building obviously ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> same for me......
[05:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: shouldn't we build from the same source package ?
[05:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i'm building from Riddell's and plan to do all the required ones for kubuntu.org once i make sure all the files are installed
[05:47] <imbrandon> soo yea its the same sources
[05:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no need that I finish the build then ?
[05:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_: nope , not unless you just want to
[05:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no ;)
[05:48] <Jucato> g'night abattoir, Hawkwind, imbrandon, Riddell, Tonio_
[05:48] <imbrandon> Tonio_: ;)
[05:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe
[05:50] <imbrandon> nixternal: i just know you want to go though my music collection and add all the album art ;) ( just teasin )
[05:51] <nixternal> i already did mine
[05:51] <nixternal> it wasn't fun
[05:51] <nixternal> i got to the point on some of them i just took the default ;)
[05:51] <imbrandon> heh
[05:52] <nixternal> was there a recent xorg update?
[05:52] <nixternal> when i rebooted, x didn't start up...no errors either, but i could alt+f1, get to cli, and then startx with no problem
[05:52] <nixternal> and now it looks like i am running 1600x1200, where as before 1600x1200 actually looked like 1280x1024
[05:52] <imbrandon> sounds like that kernel issue hobbsee had, but you two are the only ones to have noticed it
[05:53] <nixternal> actually..the kernel upgrade hasn't been done yet
[05:53] <nixternal> they were held back
[05:54] <imbrandon> heh i run 1600x1200 all the time ;)
[05:54] <imbrandon> and still not big enough, i need a big screen monitor
[05:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:54] <nixternal> i do too, or at least i thought i did
[05:54] <nixternal> this is a 21" sony
[05:55] <nixternal> i could still use more realestate
[05:55] <imbrandon> mine is a 20inch compaq something
[05:55] <nixternal> its a dually setup, the 2nd is a samsung syncmaster 955df
[05:55] <nixternal> which i would go right ahead and say was the best crt ever made
[06:37] <Mez> imbrandon/Riddell: ping
[06:37] <Riddell> hi
[06:37] <Mez> Riddell; once I've finished this patch for the katapult/amarok bug - will you push it to katapult ?
[06:38] <Mez> s/to katapult/to main/
[06:38] <Mez> It's a critical bugfix for edgy
[06:40] <Mez> bug 601363
[06:40] <Mez> bug 60136
[06:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136
[06:40] <Riddell> for some definition of critical :)
[06:41] <Mez> Riddell .... huh ?
[06:41] <imbrandon> Mez: pong
[06:42] <imbrandon> as long as Riddell says its cool yea
[06:42] <imbrandon> gonna grab some food , bbiab
[06:42] <imbrandon> seaLne: woohoo , tell all the kde peeps hi ;)
[07:52] <imbrandon> wow koffice does take a while, 2.5 hours later still chugging along
[08:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: feel me pain :)
[08:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: hehehe
[08:23] <imbrandon> wow Riddell i was just reading about icecream
[08:23] <imbrandon> can that be used with packageing too ?
[08:24] <imbrandon> looks cool becouse of the cross compile stuff, i can make my ppc laptop use the x86 machines
[08:24] <imbrandon> even though the ppc lappy is slow(er)
[08:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's hard to use, since setting make -j 5 in debian/rules will kill the buildds
[08:25] <imbrandon> ahh right
[08:25] <imbrandon> same problem with distcc
[08:26] <imbrandon> i seen some hacks to make hooks in pbuilder to dynamicly add it , but would probably run into the same problems
[08:30] <imbrandon> woot looks like koffice is finishing up
[08:31] <imbrandon> its running the install scripts ;)
[08:39] <kwwii> erm, in which package are the window buttons for kubuntu on dapper?
[08:39] <Riddell> kwwii: same one, kwin-style-crystal
[08:39] <Riddell> it'll be a patch in debian/patches
[08:41] <kwwii> Riddell: so what do I have to do to patch it?
[08:42] <kwwii> I bet I have done this three times already and still do not remember
[08:42] <Riddell> kwwii: just get the edgy sources and debuil them
[08:42] <Riddell> debuild
[08:43] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kwin-style-crystal/1.0.1-0ubuntu6
[08:44] <kwwii> Riddell: killer, thanks
[08:45] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc  to unpack those
[08:45] <kwwii> Riddell: actually, it seems that apt-get source does that for you already
[08:45] <kwwii> or?
[08:45] <Riddell> kwwii: if you're on dapper it'll get you the dapper sources
[08:46] <Riddell> but yes, it'll run dpkg-source -x for you
[08:46] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I just wanted to be able to put the new pics in the right dir and build it on dapper
[08:47] <kwwii> and debuild fails at that patch
[08:47] <kwwii> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_branch.diff at level 0...1...2...failure.
[08:47] <kwwii> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched]  Error 1
[08:48] <Riddell> kwwii: try getting the edgy sources and compiling normally with your new images
[08:48] <Riddell> edgy should take the images and do the right thing, dapper needed manual compiling of the images
[08:48] <danimo> kwwii: nice artwork. me likey!
[08:49] <kwwii> danimo: cool, good to hear it!
[08:50] <Riddell> ok, I'm off to ireland, see you there
[08:50] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[08:50] <kwwii> have a safe trip
[08:50] <danimo> bye Riddell
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: when is your flight?
[08:51] <kwwii> tomorrow from frankfurt at 16:20
[08:51] <kwwii> danimo: you won't be at akademy this year?
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: no, I have exams pending next week
[08:51] <kwwii>  oh, tooo bad
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: the last one on friday
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: so all of akademy is spoiled
[08:52] <kwwii> guess those are more important
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: I will be at the anniversary party in stuttgart though
[08:52] <kwwii> cool
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: yeah, me too, otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here ;)
[08:53] <danimo> kwwii: waiting for friends to call that I was _supposed_ to meet tonight
[08:53] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:58] <imbrandon> kwwii: you just want this for your self ?
[08:59] <imbrandon> ( the artwork )
[08:59] <kwwii> imbrandon: I built it already
[08:59] <kwwii> imbrandon: trying to get my laptop to look like edgy even though it is dapper
[08:59] <imbrandon> ahh ok, i was gonna say i could make a dapper deb for ya ;)
[08:59] <kwwii> so that I can show it to mark :-)
[08:59] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[09:00] <imbrandon>  Riddell should have a edgy lappy there
[09:00] <kwwii> yeah, but his laptop looks ugly
[09:00] <kwwii> :p
[09:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:00] <imbrandon> make sure and use the pannel image ;)
[09:00] <imbrandon> and update your dapper to kde 3.5.4 ;)
[09:00] <kwwii> yeah, I think mark will like that a lot
[09:01] <kwwii> kde 3.5.4 is running on it
[09:01] <imbrandon> i showed you those screenshots dident i ?
[09:02] <kwwii> yeah
[09:02] <kwwii> I make my osx look like linux a lot
[09:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:02] <kwwii> :-)
[09:02] <imbrandon> yea i did that too
[09:02] <imbrandon> at one time
[09:02] <imbrandon> but i dident like it quite as much
[09:03] <imbrandon> seemed to "right" hehe
[09:03] <kwwii> hehe
[09:03] <imbrandon> i had / have the xp theme down to where to honestly cant tell your on kde
[09:03] <imbrandon> except for the app names
[09:04] <kwwii> hehe, my problem is that I do not know XP at all
[09:04] <imbrandon> i mean pixle for pixle , windeco, menus , startbar etc
[09:05] <kwwii> I actually like the idea of a bigger start menu button
[09:06] <imbrandon> yea
[09:27] <two-face> anyone awake in here?
[09:27] <fdoving> partly.
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Now there is
[09:28] <two-face> kubuntu knot3 fails at boot time for me, right after the initrd gets unpacked
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Installed or Live CD?
[09:31] <two-face> liveCD
[09:32] <imbrandon> try with acpi=off as a kern option
[09:32] <imbrandon> afk heading to the store
[09:33] <two-face> acpi would cause such a mess?
[09:33] <two-face> hmm
[09:34] <imbrandon> two-face: yup , it does on one of my hp's
[09:45] <two-face> anyone booted knot3 with nforce4 ?
[09:47] <jdong> nvidia mobos... *shudder*
[09:48] <imbrandon> two-face: yea i have no problems with mine
[09:48] <imbrandon> jdong: what ?
[09:48] <jdong> imbrandon: I've had bad *nix luck with nforce chipsets
[09:49] <jdong> imbrandon: my nforce3 shuttle boots linux fine, but pukes on all BSD variants
[09:49] <imbrandon> jdong: i'm sorry, i've had great lick with them
[09:49] <two-face> imbrandon: sata_nv driver
[09:49] <jdong> imbrandon: maybe it's shuttle's fault then... or the BIOS
[09:49] <jdong> ACPI behaves erratically with non-modern linux kernels, too
[09:50] <two-face> it is a shuttle
[09:50] <imbrandon> and i can assume you debuged them and submitted reports too ?
[09:50] <jdong> imbrandon: who, me?
[09:50] <imbrandon> jdong: yes, you would be the one complaining ;)
[09:51] <jdong> I found the exact kernel panic tracebacks on freebsd mailing lists, and it's apparently fixed in 7-current
[09:51] <imbrandon> ahh great , then whats the problem ?
[09:51] <jdong> imbrandon: 7-current is, umm, 7-current, not 6-stable :)
[09:52] <imbrandon> jdong: and ? just means it hasent been widely tested yet, you cant expect things to be out in 30 minutes ;)
[09:52] <jdong> imbrandon: bottom line, I am not 100% inclined to worship nvidia mobos as linux friendly, unlike their GPU's
[09:52] <jdong> imbrandon: and from what I gather on lkml, nvidia wasn't too friendly with forcedeth and sata_nv's development
[09:52] <imbrandon> ok , and bottom line was that earlier comment was in no way constructive
[09:52] <gnuton> Hi
[09:52] <jdong> in fact, I don't think sata_nv will get NCQ support for that reason
[09:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:53] <imbrandon> hello gnuton
[09:53] <jdong> oh great, imbrandon is forcing all of my comments to be constructive
[09:53] <gnuton> hellp imbrandon, jdong!
[09:53] <imbrandon> jdong: no , but it helpes when someone is asking for help
[09:53] <gnuton> hello, soory :)
[09:53] <imbrandon> i'm not forcing anything
 I LOVE THE NEW PANEL BACKGROUNDS </mindcontrol>
 THEY LOOK EXTREMELY SEXY </mindcontrol>
[09:54] <Tm_T> ok
[09:54] <jdong> gnuton: what's up
[09:54] <two-face> what componant do I need to file a bug against?
[09:54] <imbrandon> two-face: depends on the problem
[09:54] <Tonio_> can someone confirm that bug : kopete crashes when clicking on a http link ?
[09:54] <imbrandon> whats going on ?
[09:55] <two-face> imbrandon: the one i described
[09:55] <imbrandon> and i asked did you try the acpi thing ?
[09:55] <two-face> imbrandon: didn't work
[09:55] <two-face> imbrandon: well, at least I could read the error this time
[09:55] <jdong> two-face: most likely it's gonna be against linux-source-2.6.17
[09:55] <imbrandon> whats the error ?
[09:56] <two-face> imbrandon: IRQ 10 disabled, but I coud see "[sata_nv] "
[09:56] <two-face> jdong: ok
[09:56] <imbrandon> ok , but again what was the error
[09:56] <two-face> jdong: through launchpad?
[09:56] <jdong> two-face: you're gonna have to get a more descriptive error mesage first
[09:57] <two-face> imbrandon: there was no real error message, only 4 lines of kernel output which I did not write down
[09:57] <jdong> two-face: you need to boot your kernel verbosely then
[09:57] <two-face> jdong: I'll try to reproduce
[09:57] <two-face> jdong: what parameter for this?
[09:58] <imbrandon> two-face: ok write them down and file a bug against the kernel-source , thats the best you can hope for without more info
[09:58] <jdong> verbose maybe?
[09:58] <imbrandon> no
[09:58] <jdong> noquiet? ;)
[09:58] <imbrandon> you take the quite off the kernel parms
[09:58] <jdong> can you do that with gfxboot?
[09:58] <jdong> I didn't recall it exposing the cmdline
[09:58] <imbrandon> sure
[09:58] <two-face> imbrandon:ok
[09:59] <imbrandon> you hit f6 at the menu just like the onscreen options say
[09:59] <fdoving> hmm.. guidance mountconfig kcm module doesn't work.
[09:59] <jdong> seems to boot fine here
[09:59] <fdoving> the standalone 'mountconfig' program works though.
[09:59] <jdong> but I have IDE hard drives
[10:01] <two-face> ok i'll try that
[10:01] <two-face> BBL
[10:02] <Tonio_> can someone please confirm bug 61930
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61930 in kopete "Freeze when clicking a URL." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61930
[10:03] <jdong> grr, that requires me to go into kde and kopete
[10:03] <jdong> brb
[10:04] <jdong> now, all I need is a url... via kopete
[10:04] <jdong> anyone want to gmail-prod me or something?
[10:04] <Tonio_> jdong<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:05] <imbrandon> gmail == jabber silly
[10:05] <Tonio_> gmail and jabber are compatible aren't they ?
[10:05] <jdong> Tonio_: same protocol , idfferent network , I thought
[10:05] <imbrandon> nope
[10:05] <jdong> nvm, got one
[10:05] <jdong> all I have to do is talk to myself :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> jdong I think the networks are linked now
[10:05] <Tonio_> a few month ago :)
[10:06] <jdong> Tonio_: works
[10:06] <jdong> opened up in my browser just fine
[10:06] <imbrandon> works fine here too
[10:06] <Tonio_> okay let's talk to me somehow :)
[10:06] <jdong> k
[10:06] <Tonio_> hum.......
[10:06] <Tonio_> strange........
[10:06] <Tonio_> very strange
[10:06] <Tonio_> edgy up to date ?
[10:06] <imbrandon> yes
[10:06] <imbrandon> bbiab
[10:06] <Tonio_> okay so I assume my profile has an issue
[10:07] <Tonio_> it is not kopete config since I already removed it
[10:07] <jdong> using up to date edgy
[10:07] <jdong> and you are offline apparently
[10:07] <Tonio_> okay so that's local issue........ I should have wait before reporting
[10:07] <Tonio_> jdong my kopete just crashed, hehe
[10:08] <jdong> LOL
[10:08] <Tonio_> okay now I see you
[10:08] <Tonio_> I didn't restart since this morning's kdebase update.......; maybe that can explain
[10:08] <Tonio_> let's restart kde
[10:09] <jdong> but with imbrandon around,
[10:09] <jdong> I'll keep that amusement to myself
[10:12] <jdong> so how'd it go, Tonio_?
[10:12] <Tonio_> it works......... I just had to reload kde.......
[10:12] <Tonio_> weird
[10:13] <jdong> weird
[10:13] <imbrandon> kdebase update *cough*
[10:19] <imbrandon> sell ya my ibook
[10:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:21] <jdong> pfft :)
[10:21] <jdong> btw, how do I get kopete to be a bit more aggressive in maintaining a connection?
[10:21] <jdong> after about 20 hours it tends to lose its connectivity , and doesn't attempt to reconnect on its own
[10:22] <jdong> gaim also loses the connection at the same intervals, but it reconnects on its own
[10:22] <imbrandon> dunno i dont use it
[10:22] <jdong> :-/
[10:22] <imbrandon> i'm sure its a setting in the config
[10:23] <imbrandon> poke arround ;)
[10:23] <jdong> hehehe, that's almost as much fun as searching for weird phrases in the apt database
[10:47] <imbrandon> grrrrrrrrrr
[10:56] <kwwii> man changing dapper to look like edgy is a lot of work
[10:57] <kwwii> and you really see the difference
[10:57] <imbrandon> heh
[10:58] <fdoving> is it alot of work to move the kubuntu part of the edgy usplash to the left so that the beginning of the K alligns with the start of the progressbar?
[11:01] <kwwii> ahhh, where is Tonio
[11:01] <kwwii> imbrandon: do you have the latest updates for edgy?
[11:01] <imbrandon> yup
[11:01] <kwwii> do your inactive windows get transparent?
[11:02] <imbrandon> no
[11:02] <kwwii> whew
[11:02] <kwwii> cool
[11:02] <imbrandon> thats turned off by default iirc cuz it dont work well with all vid cards
[11:02] <kwwii> yeah
[11:02] <kwwii> and I was afraid I put it back in with my change to kwincrystalrc
[11:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:05] <kwwii> man, I did a lot of work recently :p
[11:05] <kwwii> the panelbg looks great with the window deco gradients, I think
[11:06] <kwwii> mark wanted to do that with gnome and everyone complained
[11:06] <imbrandon> heh yea i like it alot
[11:06] <imbrandon> adds that extra polish
[11:06] <imbrandon> and hell its not like it takes up cpu or soemthing
[11:08] <kwwii> I think that we should turn the shadowed text in the titlebar back on though
[11:08] <kwwii> it looks much better on my laptop
[11:08] <imbrandon> hrm i like it both ways
[11:08] <imbrandon> heh
[11:08] <kwwii> and on my laptop the active window deco looks totally blue
[11:08] <kwwii> not purple at all
[11:08] <imbrandon> on edgy it looks grey
[11:09] <imbrandon> on both my lappy and desktop
[11:09] <kwwii> the active window? the inactive window should look almost gray
[11:09] <imbrandon> ohh yea the inactive
[11:09] <imbrandon> yea the active on a lcd looks a little bluer but imho it looks better
[11:10] <imbrandon> just gives that hint of purple
[11:10] <imbrandon> gradient looks better on the lcd too
[11:11] <kwwii> actually, I like them better on my other mac :p
[11:11] <kwwii> thank god I did not make this theme on the laptop
[11:11] <kwwii> and now I know why the earlier stuff was "way too purple" for people
[11:11] <ryanakca> ?
[11:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:12] <imbrandon> seem to work here ryanakca infact i was just listening to mine
[11:12] <ryanakca> wierd...
[11:13] <ryanakca> I get the "This feature is only available to Last.fm subscribers"...
[11:13] <imbrandon> did you put your lastfm account info in ?
[11:13] <ryanakca> imbrandon: yep :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> did you upgrade and not reboot ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> it's a fresh install... right off the knot 3 CD
[11:14] <imbrandon> and you have updated correct ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> yes
[11:14] <imbrandon> and rebooted since
[11:14] <imbrandon> correct ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> I believe so
[11:14] <imbrandon> make sure , you get weird bugs when you update without rebooting kde
[11:15] <ryanakca> yes.. I did... I can rereboot though...
[11:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: does killing X count? I've done that several times as well
[11:15] <kwwii> hell, on edgy you get wierd bugs sometimes even though you restart :p
[11:16] <ryanakca> brb then
[11:16] <imbrandon> lol
[11:16] <ryanakca> meh... it's what I get for living on the edgy of insanity
[11:17] <imbrandon> ahh i see what he was doing
[11:17] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:17] <kwwii> is there some way to configure a printer?
[11:18] <imbrandon> kwwii: in the system setting , but i dunno /how/
[11:18] <imbrandon> but i know you can
[11:18] <kwwii> I have an HP printer and when I click on the Printers icon in systemsettings it terminates after a long pause
[11:18] <imbrandon> oh wow
[11:18] <imbrandon> hrm
[11:18] <nixternal> that is a last.fm stream ;)
[11:19] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea he was trying to play a persoanl stream , i tried it and got the message
[11:19] <imbrandon> its only for paying lastfm members
[11:19] <nixternal> ahh
[11:19] <nixternal> oh ya..that stuff
[11:19] <nixternal> dude...banff, ab is absolutely beautiful
[11:19] <nixternal> i want to move here
[11:20] <imbrandon> ryanakca: you were trying to play the "personal" one right ?
[11:20] <imbrandon> ryanakca: click engage --> lastfm --> group tag --> station , that works, the personal is for paying subscribers only as it states ;)
[11:21] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ah...
[11:22] <imbrandon> well when you said "anymore ..." i thought you had done it before
[11:22] <imbrandon> silly
[11:23] <kwwii>  ryanakca: don't worry - the only people who care about that stuff are very young :p
[11:23] <ryanakca> kwwii: *cough* *cough*
[11:24] <kwwii> my first day at suse I turned my computer off before I left...the next day I was yelled at
[11:24] <ryanakca> lol
[11:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:24] <kwwii> in the end I sat in a room with like 7 computers running all the time
[11:25] <kwwii> I *had* to listen to music
[11:25] <kwwii> or would have gone crazy
[11:25] <ryanakca> hmmm... it's playing... but I don't hear anything.. and I'm not deaf (surprisingly, after all that bagpiping), nor are my speakers on mute
[11:25] <ryanakca> kwwii: lol
[11:29] <kwwii> ryanakca: I just had an issue in which I had to add the right kernel module to get my sound working
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the solution for kdeprint issue :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> 4 days searching for this..........
[11:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: Riddell is off to Dublin
[11:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: okay
[11:29] <ryanakca> kwwii: you aren't the only one who had that problem... someone else was talking to me about it... forget who though
[11:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: is there a plan for a usplash background ? black is a bit .......... too black
[11:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: we could put it on a solid color
[11:30] <kwwii> perhaps #6569ae
[11:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: we can try
[11:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: isn't a real background image possible technically ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> just asking :)
[11:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: only if I would use a simple logo
[11:31] <ryanakca> kwwii: see... kde notifications work... just not my music in amarok, or BBC threw FF
[11:31] <Tonio_> kwwii: because of 256 colors ?
[11:31] <kwwii> Tonio_: yepp
[11:31] <Tonio_> how many are you using currently ?
[11:31] <kwwii> 256 colors for both the bg pic and the progress bar
[11:31] <Tonio_> response : 256
[11:31] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:31] <Tonio_> okay
[11:31] <Tonio_> let's try a background color......
[11:35] <kwwii> Tonio_: do you know if the stuff I posted yesterday was included?
[11:36] <kwwii> I really hope that we get the 640x480 theme in by beta, but Seveas had to make the code for it first
[11:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm My edgy is only shoing half of the progress bar for installation
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: dunno, which stuff ?
[11:38] <kwwii> Tonio_: the usplash with the smaller logo
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm about to upload new kds, so it is the moment to include it I think :)
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't think so, let me check
[11:38] <kwwii> I think Jonthan did it last night
[11:38] <DaSkreech> Who does ubiquity for KDE?
[11:38] <kwwii> sime
[11:38] <kwwii> erm
[11:39] <Tonio_> * Improved uspash images from Ken Wimmer
[11:39] <Tonio_> kwwii: by imbrandon
[11:39] <Tonio_> today
[11:39] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: riddell
[11:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_: that was yesterday ;)
[11:39] <kwwii> ahhhhhhhh!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!
[11:39] <imbrandon> and yea i put your usplash images in
[11:40] <kwwii> he spelt my name incorrect :p
[11:40] <imbrandon> ouch whoops
[11:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so you did it ?
[11:40] <Tonio_> yeah okay today, yesterday, that's the same.
[11:40] <Tonio_> It is done :)
[11:40] <kwwii> Kenneth Wesley Wimer II
[11:40] <kwwii> therefor kwwii
[11:40] <imbrandon> kwwii: FWIW i copied it from a Riddell changelog entry ;)
[11:40] <kwwii> haha
[11:40] <kwwii> I'll get that scottish bastard
[11:41] <imbrandon> lol
[11:41] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Ah Cool
[11:41] <kwwii> make him buy me a drink
[11:41] <imbrandon> i wondered what the hell kwwii  was hehe
[11:41] <Seveas> Kenneth William Wimer II
[11:41] <imbrandon> i always thought of the green fruit
[11:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:41] <kwwii> lots of people from the gnome-side-of-life often think that it means K World War II
[11:42] <Seveas> LOL
[11:42] <Tonio_> kwwii: LOL
[11:42] <Seveas> btw: I'll be proposing another radical but neccessary usplash change when mjg59 is awake
[11:42] <kwwii> Seveas: did you have a chance to look into the 640x480 theme?
[11:42] <Seveas> to save space on the livecd
[11:42] <Seveas> kwwii, not yet
[11:42] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, let me at it :-)
[11:42] <kwwii> I guess the beta is frozen by now
[11:42] <Seveas> today was so hectic, I didn't even get to blog about eurooscon
[11:43] <imbrandon> kwwii: yea it is
[11:43] <Tonio_> okay kdeprint issue resolved :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[11:43] <_Sime_> hi
[11:44] <Tonio_> _Sime_: just wanted to make a point with the patches fopr media/
[11:44] <Tonio_> _Sime_: nothing I can do to help ?
[11:45] <_Sime_> I don't understand. what are you trying to say?
[11:45] <jdong> _Sime_: regarding my feedback on KubuntuKDEMedia, is getting the umount progress dialog back planned?
[11:45] <jdong> IMO that's quite an important safety feature
[11:45] <_Sime_> jdong: I haven't removed it. So I don't know what is happening there....
[11:46] <jdong> _Sime_: can you reproduce that it's no longer there?
[11:46] <jdong> or do I just have a screwed up system? :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> _Sime_: is there a way I can test or help you to improve this ?
[11:46] <_Sime_> jdong: I don't think I've ever seen it. :-/
[11:46] <jdong> hmm
[11:46] <Tonio_> _Sime_: is there a bug I can investigate .
[11:46] <jdong> Tonio_: how about the unmounting issue I speak of
[11:46] <_Sime_> I don't see it when I eject a CD. or with my usb thingy.
[11:46] <Tonio_> jdong, let me read :)
[11:47] <jdong> Tonio_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia, feedback, #2
[11:47] <jdong> _Sime_: likewise; but dapper definitely has it :)
[11:47] <_Sime_> maybe it only shows up when there is a lot of data to write back before unmounting.
[11:47] <Tonio_> jdong let me try to reproduce
[11:47] <jdong> _Sime_: umm, it never shows up :)
[11:47] <_Sime_> a lot if dialogs in KDE have small time delays built in.
[11:47] <Tonio_> _Sime_: true
[11:48] <_Sime_> so that they don't flicker on the screen.
[11:48] <jdong> _Sime_: the worst-case scenario I had was after unmount, it took a silent 30 seconds to fully sync
[11:48] <Tonio_> it happens only when you are copying big amount of datas to the usb disk
[11:48] <jdong> with 400MB of data in write cache
[11:48] <jdong> and no progress dialog ever came up
[11:48] <Tonio_> _Sime_, jdong I'm trying to reproduce
[11:49] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I can confirm
[11:50] <jdong> hmm, if that's the case perhaps this should go into launchpad
[11:50] <_Sime_> I haven't changed anything there. But I think Riddell might have.
[11:50] <jdong> where it can be properly marked and tracked
[11:50] <Tonio_> jdong maybe that kde 3.5.4 bug and not _Sime_ patches issue
[11:50] <jdong> I really don't want to see Edgy release with this serious a bug
[11:50] <_Sime_> didn't Riddell add a kind of firefox download manager thingy?
[11:51] <jdong> Tonio_: right; perhaps it isn't _Sime_'s fault at all
[11:51] <jdong> Tonio_: I could've sworn that dapper + kubuntu.org kde-354 worked
[11:51] <_Sime_> Tonio_: you know what I am talking about?
[11:51] <_Sime_> Tonio_: Riddell was planning in paris to add that for edgy.
[11:52] <Tonio_> _Sime_: nope, I never heard about this
[11:52] <ryanakca> _Sime_: dunno... just popping into the conversation... I know there's an extension for FF that's for FF + KGet...
[11:52] <_Sime_> I'm not sure if it was completed.
[11:52] <Tonio_> firefox download manager ?
[11:52] <_Sime_> ryanakca: I'm talking about how FF uses 1 window to show the progress of mulitple downloads.'
[11:52] <_Sime_> Riddell wanted the same idea for kioslaves and KDE.
[11:53] <ryanakca> _Sime_: ah, kindof like opera?
[11:53] <Tonio_> jdong what would be interesting is asking people on dapper to guess if the issue is on _Sime_'s patches or not
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime_: you can add kget
[11:53] <_Sime_> I'm not talking about kget.
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yeah I know but the result is about the same.....;
[11:53] <fdoving> _Sime_: i think the file copy/download dialogs has been on his todo for a long time.
[11:54] <jdong> Tonio_: I filed bug 61946 so we don't forget about the issue....
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[11:55] <_Sime_> I don't know if it actually got into edgy..
[11:55] <jdong> perferably I'd like to see it marked at a higher priority, too
[11:55] <Tonio_> jdong okay
[11:55] <Tonio_> jdong indeed that's very annoying
[11:56] <Tonio_> I just tried and I removed the key since no popup and I lost the content
[11:56] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, indeed data loss is a real possibility
[11:56] <Tonio_> yup
[11:57] <Tonio_> jdong checked kde bts ?
[11:57] <jdong> Tonio_: no, the kde bts scares me :)
[11:57] <ryanakca> btw?
[11:57] <ryanakca> bts?
[11:57] <_Sime_> Tonio_: if you have got nothing else to do this weekend, you could remove riddell's patch for the kio dialogs and see if that fixes the problem.
[11:57] <jdong> ryanakca: bug tracker system
[11:57] <ryanakca> ah
[11:58] <Tonio_> _Sime_: true, will do
[11:58] <Tonio_> _Sime_: let me check which patch is it
[11:58] <_Sime_> I can't find the spec page for it...
[11:58] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kdelibs patch I assume ?
[11:58] <_Sime_> probably yes
[12:01] <Tonio_> _Sime_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/16 this patch
[12:01] <Tonio_> _Sime_: is that patch of any use since media:/ is not used anymore ?
[12:02] <_Sime_> I don't know what it does exactly. But it does not sound like the patch we are looking for.
[12:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum...
[12:03] <_Sime_> I just thought of something.
[12:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes ?
[12:04] <_Sime_> Try that unmount test again, except this time open up media:/ and unmount it via media:/.
[12:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: but how ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> it's the desktop icon ;)
[12:04] <Tonio_> ah! let me check, I understand what you mean
[12:04] <_Sime_> context menu?
[12:05] <_Sime_> (I think that might be broken now.... media:/ i mean).
[12:05] <_Sime_> I'm going to bed now. I'll try to have a look at this stuff this weekend.
[12:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: same issue
[12:06] <Tonio_> so that probably not due to your patches
[12:06] <_Sime_> doesn't work?
[12:06] <Tonio_> no
[12:07] <Tonio_> jdong_: you can reproduce the test, I get the same issue working in media:/
[12:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: so the last big issue is the /media/cdrom0 empty I assume ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: when did riddell add the patch ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> I don't find it
[12:09] <Tonio_> kubuntu_57_nomediaioslave_fileio.diff maybe this one.......
[12:11] <ryanakca> what file provides those little bars with polka dots on them that appear when you have your panel unlocked? it's vertical... has a black arrow on to top of it...


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