[16:11] <evand> rinaldi_: you don't need wubi for that.  There are plenty of guides on installing Ubuntu to a memory stick on the Internet: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[16:11] <buttterz> syke , it is but not on ubuntu
[16:12] <rinaldi_> evand: but will i be able to run as an app? I don't have access to bios to change boot sequence
[16:12] <finalbeta> Lamego: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60870/ that means the disk is broken, or I have a controller/driver problem right now?
[16:12] <evand> rinaldi_: Wubi doesn't run as an application either.
[16:12] <omar> flipstar: Can we say that the "renice" command is a " manual " version of "Aging"?
[16:13] <flipstar> omar: im sorry im not that technically advanced to answer your question proberly
[16:13] <Lamego> finalbeta, was that the end of the partion, 1.1 GB ?
[16:13] <omar> flipstar: Oh, it's okay, thanks a lot for your time. :)
[16:13] <finalbeta> Lamego: no, that would have to be 500
[16:14] <Lamego> it seems to be an hw issue
[16:14] <syke> butterz: yea, I was hoping that since gcc-4.3 is released that a new gcc-4.3 pkg would be created
[16:14] <Lamego> is it an usb 2.0 device ?
[16:14] <buttterz> syke, i'm working on it
[16:14] <syke> (and gcc-snapshot would revert back to the gcc 4.4 trunk)
[16:14] <syke> buttters: great!
[16:14] <finalbeta> Lamego: yes, and the controller is usb 2.0 too
[16:14] <buttterz> i've just finished final so i'vebeen swamped
[16:15] <syke> buttterz: I assume you do a profiled bootstrap?
[16:15] <Lamego> that transfer rate is a very low
[16:15] <Lamego> scrap it :)
[16:16] <thiemster> if i install the beta version now, will there be an easy way to upgrade to the stable version when it comes out?
[16:16] <buttterz> syke, i'm working on it now actually
[16:17] <syke> buttterz: let me know when you have something and I can help test
[16:17] <syke> I'm getting a coredump when building a profile-optimized version of kdelibs
[16:18] <captainm> thiemster, the automatic updates will take care of that
[16:18] <finalbeta> Lamego: hmm, on another disk it's more then 30MB. I guess it is broken.
[16:18] <finalbeta> bummer
[16:18] <finalbeta> Lamego: thanks for your help. You probably saved me the rest of the day
[16:18] <Lamego> np :)
[16:19] <thiemster> captainm: so it should be easy to upgrade?
[16:19] <captainm> thiemster, just keep up with the updates. Nothing more to it.
[16:19] <thiemster> captainm: thanks. it's the same way for kubuntu too, right?
[16:19] <thiemster> captainm: cause i'm pretty sure it is
[16:19] <captainm> thiemster, it is
[16:20] <thiemster> captainm: thanks
[16:20] <murlidhar> i have mounted alternate beta cd and i don't want to write it on cd . however i want to upgrade to hardy beta .
[16:20] <murlidhar> mounted using gmount-iso
[16:21] <pvandewyngaerde> ./cdrom upgrade
[16:21] <pvandewyngaerde> or sth like that
[16:21] <buttterz> syke, well which are you looking for -- i can accomodate if you are looking for my .debs
[16:21] <murlidhar> something like that ??
[16:22] <syke> buttterz: a profiled bootstrap of gcc4.3's latest head would be great, thanks! :)
[16:22] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, Could not find the upgrade application in the archive, exiting
[16:22] <syke> buttterz: oh, for amd64
[16:22] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar: sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade
[16:23] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, i have not written it on the media disk.
[16:23] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar:  then run it from the mounted iso location
[16:24] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, i did . i got this error.
[16:24] <thiemster> does kubuntu 8.04 beta (kde4 edition) come with all of the basic applications installed (firefox, openoffice, etc.)
[16:24] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, Could not find the upgrade application in the archive, exiting
[16:24] <pvandewyngaerde> did you mount it to the cdrom location ?
[16:25] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, i mounted in the home folder/xxxx/
[16:25] <buttterz> syke , what exactly are you looking for though -- a .deb correct
[16:25] <syke> buttterz: yes
[16:25] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, /home/xxxx/
[16:26] <buttterz> syke, it may take me a bit of time -- we are doing easter dinner today
[16:27] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar:  mount to /media/cdrom
[16:27] <buttterz> but i'll get it to you -- do you frequent this channel
[16:27] <syke> buttterz: no rush :) I do hang out in here often these days
[16:28] <buttterz> syke, right and profiled bootstrapped amd -- i'm doing i386 as well
[16:28] <syke> buttterz: awesome, thanks!
[16:28] <buttterz> i'm also going to base it off the trunk
[16:28] <buttterz> not 4.3.2
[16:28] <smurfslover> hi there
[16:28] <buttterz> hi
[16:28] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar:  are there by any chance spaces in the current name mounted location ?
[16:28] <smurfslover> how can i get full verbosity while booting
[16:29] <flipstar> just remove splash from grub
[16:29] <buttterz> smurfslover , go to /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the splash
[16:29] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, yes there was  however i mounted on /media/cdrom0/ and it worked
[16:29] <burner> smurfslover: nosplash boot option?
[16:29] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, thanks
[16:29] <buttterz> flipstar , i mean it doesn't seem like ne knew that
[16:30] <buttterz> smurfslover , and make sure to do it on the default kernel which is annotated earlier in the file
[16:30] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, can i get back to gutsy if problems arises and if so , how?
[16:30] <buttterz> murlidhar , downgrading is harder
[16:30] <buttterz> much harder
[16:30] <smurfslover> gonna change splash into verbose
[16:30] <Lamego> murlidhar, you can't downgrade, just reinstall
[16:30] <buttterz> because you upgrade requisite
[16:31] <Lamego> if you want a stable system, don't upgrade
[16:31] <buttterz> smurfslover no just remove splash from the kernel you are default booting
[16:31] <smurfslover> but gonna change it in from the grub screen itself
[16:31] <buttterz> Lamego , you can downgrade.
[16:31] <smurfslover> k thx
[16:31] <murlidhar> Lamego, can i backup my setting at least?
[16:31] <Lamego> you can't
[16:31] <buttterz> alright.
[16:31] <buttterz> haha
[16:32] <buttterz> Lamego , well let me hear your rational at least
[16:32] <Lamego> buttterz, it is not a tested/certified procedure, it is very likely to break your system
[16:32] <bazhang> downgrade is guaranteed breakage
[16:32] <buttterz> yes -- but that doesn't mean you can't
[16:33] <|rt|> anyone know any tricks to get the b43 drivers to work after upgrading from gusty?
[16:33] <buttterz> all, i agree -- but you CAN in fact DOWNGRADE if you know what you are doing.
[16:33] <bazhang> well cmon this is ubuntu; I dont know what I'm doing ;]
[16:33] <buttterz> it will break -- but thats because of proprietary packages like libc and others that often have several issues
[16:33] <|rt|> wireless previously worked with bcm43xx driver but looks like hardy moved over to the b43 drivers
[16:34] <Lamego> right, you can also hit your PC with an hammer without stopping it, if you know what you are doing
[16:34] <buttterz> bazhang , coming from freebsd -- ubuntu is nice -- don't say that haha -- its a great environment
[16:34] <buttterz> Lamego , ok...now you are just not helping or facilitating thought anywhere
[16:35] <stefg_> buttterz: welcome to working flash, tv-cards and multimedia bling :-)
[16:35] <|rt|> Lamego: hehe in fact with old SGI's SGI used to recommend lifting the computer off the desk a couple inches and dropping them
[16:35] <buttterz> seems to be
[16:35] <|rt|> it would fix some problems believe it or not
[16:35] <syke> |rt|: I use ndiswrappper -- I've never gotten b43 to work very well
[16:35] <buttterz> stefg_ , thanks -- i have been a freebsd dev though since ive been 12 yrs old -- all powerpc based systems
[16:35] <|rt|> syke: upgrade or fresh install?
[16:35] <syke> |rt|: either
[16:35] <bazhang> buttterz: well freebsd is very nice I admit really like the new one, but ubuntu is well, hard to define, a new community, so hard to quantify
[16:35] <|rt|> syke: my next step is going to be to back up my home and try a clean install
[16:35] <buttterz> stefg_ , now all i have is a japanease lets note toughbook haha go figure i love ubuntu and freebsd alike
[16:36] <buttterz> bazhang , i just use it because its like lightning
[16:36] <syke> |rt|: my experience is that upgrading rarely has anythign to do with it
[16:36] <syke> it'll either work, or not
[16:36] <bazhang> there is that too ;]
[16:36] <syke> but
[16:36] <|rt|> syke: well i've had an upgrade break wireless once before
[16:36] <syke> you can try rmmod b43 && rmmod ssb, then reload them in the opposite order
[16:36] <Lamego> buttterz, the downgrade scenario is not covered/tested, it is safer to assume that your system will break than it is to assume it will work, unless you did QA on the downgrade and have no need for assumptions
[16:36] <|rt|> syke: can't remember if it was from fiesty to gusty or warty to fiesty
[16:37] <|rt|> syke: what is the ssb module?
[16:37] <buttterz> Lamego , i have recently downgraded my ubuntu system ... i don't know what you mean but you seem to be cutting at me for no reason -- i have no "beef" so to speak with you haha
[16:37] <syke> |rt|: not sure, but there's a race condition bug right now where it can interfere
[16:38] <buttterz> |rt| , i wouldn't recommend just searching for a version that wireless works on but rather get wireless to work on your current system thats current ;)
[16:38] <|rt|> syke: in my dmesg it looks like eth1 shoudl be my wireless device...but if I do a iwconfig the only device that says it has wireless is something called wlan0_rename
[16:38] <syke> oh, weird
[16:38] <syke> forget my advice, then :)
[16:39] <|rt|> none of the iw commands can interact with either device though
[16:39] <|rt|> I'll try a fresh install tonight when I get home and see if that sorts it out....then debug from there
[16:40] <|rt|> it will be a good excuse to get rid of the XP partition once and for all anyhow
[16:41] <Lamego> buttterz, just because it worked on your case it doesn't mean it will work in general terms, unless you installed the entire universe
[16:41] <syke> heh :)
[16:41] <Lamego> not to mention specific configuration scenarios that you may not have
[16:41] <flipstar> !downgrade > buttterz
[16:41] <syke> rt: wine is getting so good these days, that's probably reasonable. latest wine even defaults to XP as the meulated version
[16:41] <|rt|> syke: well i have my xp pro license running in virtual box now
[16:41] <|rt|> wine is getting better though
[16:42] <flipstar> since google invests in wine .. no wounder
[16:42] <murlidhar> !downgrade > murlidhar
[16:42] <murlidhar> oops
[16:42] <|rt|> I don't use that laptop for anything but web related things anyhow so no real need for windows
[16:43] <|rt|> I have an XP64 workstation for doing things I can't do in linux
[16:43] <buttterz> Lamego , i understand that -- i'm not saying its a standard procedure -- i'm saying it can be done -- in any situation it CAN be done if you are willing to work with it -- i'm not saying it always makes sense though -- lets please drop this -- we are arguing different points now
[16:44] <buttterz> flipstar , please don't do that again -- ever.
[16:44] <|rt|> I did notice that the newtork manager and it's intergration with openvpn has improved with hardy
[16:44] <stefg_> aarrrghhhh ... people have invested billions of manhours to mak unix/linux easy to manage when it comes to migrate settings and data... the invention of /etc and /home must be good for something. Why is everyone so interested in spending 3 hours in downgrade when you can have a fresh install in 20 minutes ?
[16:44] <flipstar> buttterz: whats the problem with that ?
[16:45] <buttterz> i don't want /msg from a bot about something i know -- thats why i don't want that.
[16:45] <syke> flipstar: actually, wine's had a huge turnaround since they've invested more in their automated test suite
[16:45] <flipstar> okay..just wanted you to know the official point of view
[16:45] <syke> flipstar: same with gcc 5 years ago, actually
[16:46] <Lamego> buttterz, I will rewrite my sentence to make you happy, replace "you can't" with  "you should not" or  "is not supported" or "it is likely to break your system"
[16:48] <buttterz> flipstar and Lamego , the reason that that is not a "SUPPORTED" thing -- is because it often does break -- and ubuntu is a distrobution that is supposed to streamline the linux system -- that doesn't mean it cannot be manipulated like a full debian system -- which at its base it is -- lets please drop this for the 3rd time -- im not interested in this conversation anymore ok?
[16:48] <flipstar> when you advanced enough you probably can do anything
[16:48] <Lamego> buttterz, calm down, you will live longer :)
[16:49] <syke> yea, this is sounding like those fuqtards in #debian that I hate :)
[16:49] <Pici> !language | syke
[16:49] <ubotu> syke: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:49] <flipstar> btw has anyone else a low resolution on the virtual terminals ?
[16:49] <syke> sorry, s/fuqtard/fuqmentallyimpaired
[16:50] <flipstar> i tried to change the fb but vesafb seems to not working
[16:50] <buttterz> haha i've tried to let it be!
[16:50] <syke> buttterz: /ignore is your friend ;)
[16:50] <buttterz> flipstar , you mean in tty's
[16:50] <flipstar> yes
[16:50] <buttterz> syke, i don't like to do that -- haha i like to work it out :)
[16:51] <buttterz> flipstar , you can edit this in your grub menu.lst
[16:51] <buttterz> and change fb there with a specific command -- i do not recall since i have kept the same menu.lst for a while
[16:51] <flipstar> when i enter a vga=any then i dont have any tty's ¦ /
[16:52] <flipstar> oh, i'll take a look at this
[16:52] <buttterz> vga=791
[16:52] <buttterz> thats what i recommend
[16:52] <buttterz> 1024x768
[16:52] <flipstar> yes..then i dont have any tty's
[16:52] <flipstar> seems to be an known bug
[16:52] <adinc> is anyone encountering problems with his wireless device iwl3945 and ubuntu hardy?
[16:53] <buttterz> flipstar , thats odd -- i would'nt really do this in another fashion
[16:53] <buttterz> vidcontrol for freebsd ;p
[16:53] <buttterz> sorry, haha
[16:53] <flipstar> i really would like to increase the resolution since mplayer supports fb :)
[16:54] <adinc> is dist-upgrade going to fetch also a new kernel if available?
[16:54] <oxigen> hmm, CinePaint isn't in repository?
[16:55] <Pici> adinc: if theres one in the repositories, yes.
[16:55] <buttterz> flipstar , mplayer is awesome -- but xmms is something special i think
[16:55] <flipstar> oxigen: seems to be in gutsy only
[16:55] <oxigen> flipstar: hmm, ok thanks
[16:56]  * oxigen need to compile again :/
[16:56] <flipstar> only configure then use checkinstall :)
[16:56] <NET||abuse> hmm, bcm 4318,, not getting the little blue indicator light for wifi power i used to get in feisty... do i have to initialize a kernel module or something?
[16:58] <buttterz> how in great gods name is patch not a part of ubuntu core installation
[16:58] <adinc> does someone know how to get the cube plugin for compiz with ubuntu? i'm really new to ubuntu
[16:58] <adinc> or better how to get plugins for compiz at all
[16:59] <flipstar> adinc: you can activate it in ccsm
[16:59] <adinc> ccsm?
[16:59] <flipstar> correct
[16:59] <adinc> flipstar: what is ccsm?
[16:59] <flipstar> 'compizconfig-settings-manager'
[16:59] <Pici> !ccsm
[16:59] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[17:00] <howefield> adinc: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings manager
[17:00] <adinc> howefield: thank you, it is not installed here
[17:00] <adinc> can i also use aptitude install compiz...?
[17:00] <howefield> it is in synaptic package manager
[17:01] <adinc> in synaptic?
[17:01] <adinc> i've installed the compizconfig-settings-manager but it is not in the appearance preferences, do i need to restart gnome?
[17:02] <howefield> prefernces > advanced desktop settings
[17:02] <murlidhar> adinc, it is preferences>compiz
[17:02] <bazhang> its called advanced desktop settings manager
[17:02] <adinc> i see thank you
[17:05] <kebinusan> doesnt metacity have some compositing features now?
[17:06] <solarion> anyone know offhand why my mouse would think that it's needing to double-click?
[17:06] <anolis> i can't get my computer to connect to the internet.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041/
[17:07] <solarion> when I single-click
[17:07] <buttterz> brb
[17:09] <adinc> ohhh my window manager disappeared after installing of compiz configuration manager
[17:09] <anolis> anyone know why that would happen? i even tried running it in the recovery console
[17:10] <adinc> ohh no, it is still there but it is just transparent. how this
[17:10] <solarion> I cannot imagine this upgrading having gone much worse, honestly
[17:10] <solarion> aiside from killing my hard drive
[17:11] <anolis> solarion, well... it could have killed you
[17:11] <hwilde> adinc, you need to run something like   sudo ./metacity --replace
[17:11] <solarion> anolis: that would be difficult
[17:11] <adinc> hwilde: ok, what is it for and where is metacity in order to start it with ./
[17:12] <anolis> adinc run "metacity --replace" or "compiz --replace"
[17:12] <adinc> ahh ok
[17:12] <adinc> systemwide
[17:12] <hwilde> yeah that
[17:12] <adinc> this program doesn't exit i used metacity
[17:14] <hwilde> strong suit your sentence making is not
[17:14] <solarion> time to muck about with xorg again
[17:14] <hwilde> what program, doesn't exit when you do what
[17:15] <adinc> compiz --replace or metacity --replace stay in the console, compiz --replace says that it is unable to parse XML metadata from file ccp.xml
[17:15] <adinc> do i do this as root or a normal user?
[17:16] <anolis> normal
[17:16] <adinc> ok
[17:16] <anolis> press ctrl-z after running it
[17:16] <anolis> then type bg then press enter
[17:16] <adinc> but still the window titles are transparent
[17:16] <oxigen> ubuntu rulez!! \o/
[17:17] <anolis> oxigen, meh.. i guess until you get something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041/
[17:17] <adinc> now i can not even switch between the different applications anymore the windows are fixed
[17:17] <adinc> god whats going wrong here
[17:17] <hwilde> !topic | adinc
[17:17] <ubotu> adinc: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:17] <anolis> adinc.. just restart xserver
[17:18] <Grosso> hello
[17:19] <Grosso> I lost sound at times and I cannot recover it even with: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset
[17:19] <Grosso> how could I recover sound?
[17:19] <hwilde> !sound | Grosso
[17:19] <Grosso> !sound
[17:19] <ubotu> Grosso: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[17:20] <Grosso> !sound | Grosso
[17:21] <syke> http://wiki.yak.net/894
[17:22] <adinc> unfortunately i still have the problem with the window titles, it is still totally transparent
[17:23] <hwilde> did you mess with the themes?  I think transparent is a setting
[17:23] <adinc> hwilde: no not really
[17:24] <Pici> !offtopic | syke
[17:24] <ubotu> syke: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:24] <syke> pici: how is offering to pay for hardy improvements off-topic?
[17:25] <adinc> hwilde: what i did was making the top pannel transparent , could this have this effect
[17:25] <hwilde> adinc, duh yes  undo it and see
[17:26] <anolis> sigh...
[17:28] <Almindor> hello, since the update qt4 apps have very fuzzy fonts
[17:28] <nextstep> is there a reason the Broadcom wireless drivers are still not included in ubuntu ?
[17:28] <Almindor> any idea if it's some setting? (the appearance normal font setting has no effect on qt4 apps it seems)
[17:29] <adinc> hwilde: do i then need to restart x again?
[17:30] <hwilde> you need to not use beta versions if you can't figure this out
[17:30] <adinc> hwilde: but this should at least work shouldn't it?
[17:31] <buttterz> hwilde , hey this is a help forum man :)
[17:31] <anolis> nextstep, they are included.. they just don't work
[17:31] <buttterz> adinc whatsup
[17:31] <hwilde> of course you have to restartx after you change the configuration
[17:31] <nextstep> anolis ... lol that i fully understand
[17:31] <adinc> and i don't think this has something todo with reprogramming that stuff from beta to a release
[17:31] <nextstep> seems its something major they really need to fix.
[17:32] <anolis> nextstep, yes.. they have 31 days :] dun dun dunnn
[17:32] <hwilde> nextstep, tough to install network drivers without networking drivers huh
[17:32] <adinc> buttterz: thank you very much, i'm only trying to make use of compiz and a plugin called cube, unfortunately since i installed compiz-configuration  my window manager is somehow gone, application do not have a title anymore
[17:32] <ompaul> syke, if you have to ask, this place is for running hardy not altering how it runs - while the work being sponsored might be on your needs list it never made it to spec level within the ubuntu process, furthermore if you feel like a bit of dev join #ubuntu-motu and help make changes happen
[17:32] <nextstep> ohh well basically I am on a broadcom card and I am using the bcm fwcutter driver to get wireless working.  Wireless is locked to 1mb though, no changes I am making seem to fix it.  Can anyone help out?
[17:33] <solarion> any idea why the mouse would double-click instead of single-clicking?
[17:33] <buttterz> adinc , and your WM is?
[17:33] <adinc> buttterz: gnome
[17:33] <Almindor> damn the system monitor is borked
[17:33] <buttterz> ah ah ah thats an Desktop environment
[17:33] <buttterz> now a window manager
[17:33] <buttterz> not*
[17:33] <adinc> buttterz: i then didin't do any changes to the default settings of hardy
[17:34] <adinc> which one is the default window manager
[17:34] <solarion> I could really use some help figuring out what precisely is goign on?
[17:34] <nextstep> hwilde:  lol .. yeah having to use the wired connection stretched across my office to get it working .. lol
[17:34] <solarion> double-clicking instead of single-clicking royally sucks
[17:34] <buttterz> so i assume you are using the default which is metacity
[17:34] <anolis> nextstep, you've got it better than my dads computer, which cannot even get dhcp offers from broadcast
[17:35] <adinc> buttterz: like clearlooks crux etc?
[17:35] <buttterz> adinc , haha no thats the theme :)
[17:35] <moses> Hi, am new to irc. Have just installed HH with kernel 24.14 and can't boot whithout goiong in to recoverymode in kernel 24.12. What to do?
[17:35] <adinc> buttterz: can you navigate me to the windows manger where i could select it?
[17:35] <buttterz> see gnome uses several other components to manage the actual windows in its environment metacity takes on these themes
[17:36] <hwilde> adinc, type in the terminal    "ps -ef | grep -c metacity"
[17:36] <buttterz> adinc , there have been many posts on compiz on the forums
[17:36] <hwilde> what number does it return
[17:36] <buttterz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=531284
[17:36] <buttterz> ^^^^^^^^
[17:36] <adinc> buttterz: it returns 1
[17:36] <buttterz> adinc , that was hwilde but ok
[17:36] <hwilde> ok you are running metacity
[17:36] <adinc> pardon
[17:37] <buttterz> hwilde , i mean it doesn't seem like he would have changed it ;p
[17:37] <adinc> but i have no titles of the windows at all
[17:37] <adinc> i didin't really change that much
[17:37] <adinc> i could even say nothing
 hwilde: what i did was making the top pannel transparent , could this have this effect
[17:37] <buttterz> HAHA :)
[17:37] <solarion> xev shows a single button press causes two button presses followed by two button releases
[17:37] <hwilde> you should definitely undo that
[17:37]  * buttterz agrees with hwilde
[17:38] <adinc> hwilde: i changed that as you suggested it to solid
[17:38] <adinc> pannel properties and background to None (use system theme)
[17:38] <anolis> hwilde, i think he is trying to say "what he did caused the windows to lose their decorations etc"
[17:38] <adinc> anolis: yes
[17:39] <buttterz> right because thats what transparency essentially does here -- i would reset that and logout and return to the DE
[17:39] <anolis> adinc, it sounds like compiz and or metacity might not be running at gnome-session start time
[17:39] <solarion> interestingly, scroll wheel only does single presses
[17:39] <adinc> anolis: what could i do then?
[17:39] <buttterz> adinc try doing a metacity& in a gnome-term
[17:39] <syke> ompaul: hi :) some of the issues I list are bugs I've run into in hardy, and would like to sponsor the fixing of before release. I'm sure you aren't implying that no more bugfixes will go into hardy before release, right?
[17:39] <syke> I'm aware of the spec process and have things I will be proposing for that
[17:39] <buttterz> with the & mind you
[17:39] <syke> for II
[17:40] <adinc> i did a metacity --replce & and now it is ok
[17:40] <solarion> no help, eh?
[17:40] <buttterz> adinc , alright nice :)
[17:40] <anolis> syke, aren't bugs submitted to launchpad?
[17:40] <adinc> what will happen when i restart the desktop (thank you very much to all of you)
[17:41] <buttterz> adinc, try it ;p
[17:41] <buttterz> and we will go from there
[17:41] <adinc> ok
[17:41] <adinc> no it still is the same, no window decoration after relogin
[17:42] <anolis> adinc you need to add it to your session
[17:42] <adinc> anolis: how can i do this?
[17:42] <anolis> im imagining you want to use compiz?
[17:42] <adinc> anolis: yes
[17:43] <anolis> in the go to system>preferences>sessions
[17:43] <adinc> ok
[17:43] <anolis> then add the command "compiz" to the list
[17:43] <adinc> to the startup programms?
[17:43] <anolis> then try restarting x
[17:43] <anolis> \yes correct
[17:44] <adinc> ok, lets see
[17:44] <adinc> no still the same
[17:45] <hwilde> how attached are you to your profile?   you could just make a new one
[17:45] <adinc> hwilde: i didn't understand
[17:45] <Linuturk> 13:45 < hwilde> how attached are you to your profile?   you could just make a  new one << LOL
[17:45] <hwilde> I bet if you make a new user that user won't have this problem
[17:45] <mcarolan> hi guys, trying to install the hardy beta on a pc, it gets past the splash screen to the point where gdm would normally start and the machine just reboots without displaying an error, is this  a known bug? If not how can I view any errors it produces?
[17:45] <hwilde> which means it is something in your profile
[17:46] <adinc> couln't i then delte his profile and copy a new one to it?
[17:46] <Linuturk> mcarolan: turn off the splash and quiet boot by editing your grub entry before it boots
[17:46] <hwilde> mcarolan, you could try when you boot in grub hit e and edit the command line and put   nosplash
[17:47] <mcarolan> ok cheers, will that fix the problem or just show me the error?
[17:47] <hwilde> that will hide the splash screen so maybe you see an error
[17:47] <buttterz> mcarolan , or boot recover and check the syslogs
[17:47] <hwilde> or just hit ctrl+alt+f1 while it's booting and that should also show you
[17:47] <mcarolan> ok thanks, will give that a go
[17:47] <hwilde> wait you should turn on boot logging
[17:47] <hwilde> it's off by default
[17:48] <mcarolan> is that in the bios?
[17:48] <buttterz> mcarolan , no
[17:48] <hwilde> /etc/default/bootlogd
[17:48] <hwilde> BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No
[17:48] <hwilde> turn that on and then you might be able to catch something in /var/log
[17:48] <anolis> adinc, did my solution fix your problem?
[17:48] <mcarolan> this is on the live cd, it's not installed yet, can i still do that/
[17:48] <buttterz> syke , making headway on i386 first for the trunk and i have a working deb
[17:49] <adinc> anolis: no it didin't actually, after relogin still the same
[17:49] <NET||abuse> !flash
[17:49] <buttterz> mcarolan , no.
[17:49] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:49] <NET||abuse> hmm, no bot to tell me how no? :( bummer
[17:49] <NET||abuse> ah, there he is.
[17:49] <adinc> anolis: i created a new user as suggested, this user hasn't got the problem, but doesn't have compiz at all
[17:50] <buttterz> mcarolan , it doesn't write to the cd -- we were assuming an install had happened
[17:50] <hwilde> adinc, ok so it's something in your profile
[17:50] <buttterz> adinc , i would agree and just recreate a user with the same home directory
[17:50] <mcarolan> buttterz, no, i'm trying to do an install from the live cd, but the computer restarts at the point where gnome would normally start
[17:50] <NET||abuse> hm, they have feisty edgy and dapper,,, no heron?
[17:51] <buttterz> NET||abuse i was hoping for a harlot :(
[17:51] <NET||abuse> haha
[17:51] <NET||abuse> horney harlot
[17:51] <NET||abuse> ahh well
[17:52] <NET||abuse> this is what happens when my drive has mechanical failure
[17:52] <buttterz> what ever happened to the funny unix community haha where you would type quit into your console and it would barf -- does this look like dos to you
[17:52] <poseidon> I installed hardy heron, and my internet connection worked great, but when I went to reboot it didn't even give me the option to enable wireless networks, nor did it give me the option to manually edit my wireless networks.  however if I went to admin->network info (I think it was that) it showed me the preveus network I used to connect to the interenet.
[17:52] <mcarolan> buttterz, would trying the alternate install cd help do you think?
[17:52] <adinc> which keycombination activates the 3d cube on a notebook?
[17:53] <buttterz> mcarolan , seems like an esoteric issue so i would say that wouldn't hurt -- it is beta
[17:53] <tgelter> adinc: it'll be the same on a notebook as on a desktop
[17:53] <adinc> tgelter: which ones are these?
[17:55] <adinc> the amount of virutal desktops, where can this be changed?
[17:56] <mcarolan> adinc, try ctrl + alt + left arrow, and the same with the right arrow
[17:56] <grimboy> Hey, I've got a "Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller" and have just switched to the intel driver from the i810 driver so I can use this whole xrandr thing for dual head. I don't particularly need video acceleration but I do need a total resolution wider than 2048px (I want 2560px) so I commented out the modules 'GLcore', 'DRI' and 'glx' and put in "Virtual 2560 1024".  Is what I want possible with xrandr or would I be better off doing it the old (xinerama) way?
[17:56] <anolis> adinc, ctrl-alt-left click works
[17:56] <anolis> also
[17:56] <adinc> mcarolan: thank you, since i only have two virtual desktops it turns like a page
[17:56] <hwilde> grimboy, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:57] <adinc> anolis: yes, in order to have a cube i would need to have four desktops don't i
[17:57] <captainm> adinc, in compizconfig-setting-manager > general settings > dekstop size
[17:57]  * hwilde stares
[17:57] <grimboy> hwilde, Ah, I'll try that. Thanks.
[17:57] <anolis> well.. 3
[17:57] <anolis> adinc, nvm that would just be a triangular prism
[17:58] <hwilde> and technically a cube has 6 sides
[17:58] <adinc> ohh i can't change that value, it is 1 here
[17:59] <hwilde> right click in the bottom right desktop switcher,  preferences,  number of desktops
[17:59] <anolis> hwilde, the desktop cube has six sides afaik
[17:59] <hwilde> what did I say
[17:59] <anolis> only 4 usable ones tho lol
[17:59] <adinc> yes, the cube is in the size of my screen so the cube is not visible, can i also readuze the size of it
[18:00] <anolis> oh my...
[18:00] <hwilde> sounds like you are talking about the 3ddesktop package
[18:00] <adinc> hwilde: is this a different package?
[18:01] <hwilde> 3ddesktop zooms out to a cube or various different visualizations of the desktops
[18:01] <adinc> like it is shown in this picturehttp://compiz.org/Image:Cube.jpg
[18:01] <hwilde> but that package hasn't been around for awhile
[18:01] <adinc> i see
[18:02] <hwilde> adinc, http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-get-compiz-cube-to-work-on-multiple-desktop
[18:02] <adinc> hwilde: thank you
[18:02] <poseidon> Anybody got any suggestions of how I could get a wireless connection back up again on ubuntu?
[18:03] <hwilde> poseidon, ifconfig eth1 up
[18:03] <Paddy_EIRE> poseidon: or ath0 eth0
[18:03] <hwilde> ifconfig ?th? up
[18:04] <hwilde> wonder if that works..
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[18:04] <nextstep> can anyone help with wireless setup on hardy using the broadcom fwcutter drivers
[18:04] <hwilde> !broadcom
[18:04] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[18:04] <adinc> hwilde: i had set this already
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> I hate broadcom and belkin too much to help you
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> :D
[18:04] <hwilde> how about dlink lol
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm
[18:05] <zorglu_> q. when is the next ubuntu release ?
[18:05] <hwilde> !topic
[18:05] <anolis> zorglu_, 31 days
[18:05] <zorglu_> anolis: ok thanks
[18:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[18:06] <zorglu_> :))
[18:06] <zorglu_> i bet hwilde meant to say that the answer to my question was in the topic :)
[18:07] <hwilde> I guess it's not
[18:07] <hwilde> it used to be
[18:07] <hwilde> !hardy
[18:07] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:07] <hwilde> there you go
[18:07] <pro-rsoft> Is firefox 3.0 pre really going to be included in Hardy? Tell me its not true. It's unstable, and many things do not work such as extensions, and lots of rich text editing controls, etc.
[18:08] <flipstar> having 3.0 doenst mean you cant use 2.0 :)
[18:09] <poseidon> hwilde, what will "poseidon, ifconfig eth1 up" do?  I want to make sure I get it right so that way I don't have to reboot twice to ask you another question :)
[18:09] <pro-rsoft> flipstar, it does mean ubuntu ships by default with unstable and immature software
[18:09] <pro-rsoft> well, at least its a good thing they got rid of gnome-baker and serpentine.
[18:09] <hwilde> poseidon, if the interface is down,      sudo ifconfig [interface] up     will re-enable it
[18:09] <adinc> wobbly plugin is cool
[18:09] <flipstar> just ask in a month again..then we'll know
[18:10] <poseidon> hwilde, thanks
[18:10] <poseidon> I'll try that
[18:10] <hwilde> poseidon, if you're online now it shouldn't hurt
[18:10] <poseidon> hwilde, I dualboot, I'm on xp right now
[18:11] <orkun> hey there - evolution seems to always wanna use the first of my three accounts to send email via smtp - regardless which from setting i choose while composing mail. help
[18:14] <adinc> the whole problem with the window decroation is because of the Reflection plugin, when enabled the decoration gets transparent
[18:15] <hwilde> brilliant!
[18:20] <hwilde> who changed the windows macro on ubuntu
[18:20] <hwilde> that used to be funny about the mental health thing
[18:22] <hwilde> it used to say something about contacting a local mental health practitioner
[18:23] <m1r> hello
[18:28] <adinc> i can't listen to mp3 music, it claims that codecs aare missing, which packages do i have to install for it?
[18:28] <hwilde> !mp3 | adinc
[18:28] <ubotu> adinc: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:29] <adinc> hwilde: ok, thank you
[18:32] <m1r> i have problems with wireless usb adapter. it gets detected but after it conects to network it drops out. it was working on 7.10 corectly. any way how to detect problem ?
[18:34] <oxigen> adinc: install ubuntustudio
[18:34] <adinc> ubuntustudio?
[18:34] <adinc> ahh ok
[18:34] <oxigen> yea, that rocks!
[18:35] <adinc> when talking about packages like ubuntustudio can i always go with aptitude or should i use the graphical package manager?
[18:35] <oxigen> apt is ok
[18:36] <adinc> is someone here who makes use of a iwl3945 intel wireless device?
[18:36] <g-d> just ask your question
[18:37] <oxigen> how to install java plugin for firefox on 64 bit ubuntu? :P
[18:37] <adinc> when i load the kernel module iwl3945.ko it loads ok without errors, but when i configure this device with iwconfig syslog logs messages that the microcode is wrong, although i copied a fresh one from intellinux
[18:37] <hwilde> !java | oxigen
[18:37] <ubotu> oxigen: To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[18:38] <adinc> i suppose this is this bug, but no solution till nowhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185470
[18:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[18:39] <adinc> cool that bot is intelligent
[18:39] <m1r> how can i detect why my wireless usb adapter is droping conection after it conect ? it was working on 7.10 without any problem.
[18:40] <adinc> oxigen: ubuntustudio is a distributino?
[18:41] <oxigen> it's a distribution too, yes
[18:41] <vlt> Hello. What am I doing wrong when `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` only lets me setup kbd settings but not video card?
[18:41] <adinc> i see, but i suppose the tools which are availeable there i could also install on ubuntu itself can't i
[18:42] <BrianG> what is the default location of the Ubuntu splash screen for Gnome? i know i have to use gconf editor blah blah blah but i am looking for the default path to the Hardy splash screen.. my splash_image key is blank and shows the default gnome one
[18:43] <oxigen> adinc: apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[18:44] <sourcemaker2> I have installed the new kubuntu beta using encrypted file system via LVM... because I will test the feature of encrypted file systems... The performance now of my system is not really usable...
[18:44] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: what system you running ?
[18:44] <sourcemaker2> Athlon 3,2 and 2 GB RAM
[18:45] <flipstar> hm not really bad
[18:45] <sourcemaker2> the process kcryptd always requires 50%...
[18:45] <sourcemaker2> i have a sata hard disk with 250GB
[18:45] <flipstar> always..? then something is wrong i guess
[18:46] <sourcemaker2> well... lets say... I am unzipping a 5G file now...
[18:46] <flipstar> what it is in MB/s ? find out with dd or so
[18:46] <sourcemaker2> how can I do this?
[18:46] <oxigen> thanks hwilde!
[18:46] <flipstar> dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/<partition>/testfile
[18:47] <flipstar> then break after 10-15 seconds
[18:47] <sourcemaker2> dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.txt right?
[18:47] <oxigen> but i still didn't find any user who have installed (working) FF java plugin
[18:48] <oxigen> on 64bit
[18:48] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: better give a path
[18:48] <Tailsfan> Hello, I was running Ubuntu Hardy using Wubi, but I can't get my Broadcom Driver to work, is there anyway to fix this
[18:49] <syke> hi!
[18:49] <flipstar> guess there is a better way with 'time' but im not familiar with that
[18:49] <syke> is this the right place to discuss the kde4 for kubuntu hardy?
[18:50] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: 648226+0 records in 648226+0 records out 331891712 bytes (332 MB) copied, 10,9647 s, 30,3 MB/s
[18:50] <flipstar> thats not bad..
[18:50] <evand> Tailsfan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:51] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: so where is the problem of my system?
[18:52] <flipstar> dont know much about the new encyption system..
[18:52] <flipstar> try a lsmod |grep aes
[18:52] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: aes_i586               33536  2
[18:52] <flipstar> maybe you can use aes586 instead of aes
[18:52] <flipstar> oh
[18:54] <vlt> Hello. How can I configure my video card and resolution from shell?
[18:54] <cyclonut> vlt, you can edit xorg.conf
[18:55] <adinc> my notebook has two buttons for brightness, knoppix does make use of it, can i also get ubuntu to have them work
[18:59] <MTecknology> reinstall fixed my issue with X - idk how it'll fair after a restart since I did all the udates
[19:03] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: I have tested the performance with dd between encrypted and plain... encrypted = plain * 2 :-)
[19:03] <TCMC2010> where is xmms package on Hardy ?!
[19:03] <TCMC2010> :-P
[19:03] <cyclonut> MTecknology, yeah, thats the scary part, eh?
[19:04] <fromport> !xmms
[19:04] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[19:04] <fromport> it's been replaced by audacious (a fork i learned this week) or you could try xmms2
[19:05] <MTecknology> cyclonut, ya - i need this system working properly :S perhaps going to 8.04 wasn't the greatest idea - but o well
[19:05] <MTecknology> we'll see
[19:05] <TCMC2010> in xmms2, I can't change alsa default soundboard!
[19:05] <tanner> anyone have problems with VMware and 8.04 loss of keyboard functionality?
[19:05] <TCMC2010> maybe editing .config/xmms2/xmms2.conf !?
[19:05] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: yes../dev/zero are just simple zeros..between two encrypted drives the performance would be whole different
[19:05] <mcquaid__> i need a more full xorg.conf instead of hardy's minimal xorg.conf
[19:05] <cyclonut> MTecknology, I did the same thing. I worked hard at it for a day, and now I have a stable system
[19:06] <cyclonut> MTecknology, but that day was scary.
[19:06] <mcquaid__> can that be generated?
[19:06] <cyclonut> MTecknology, they mean it when they say not to upgrade production machines :-P
[19:06] <mcquaid__> i need to disable aiglx among other things
[19:06] <matjan_work> tanner, i also have that problem with gutsy on my thinkpad
[19:06] <cyclonut> mcquaid__, you can just add in what you need
[19:06] <adinc> the default user which ubuntu created for me had a root terminal on the application->system tools menu, but now after i deleted this because of compiz problem the new user hasn't got this anymore
[19:06] <tanner> matjan_work: t61p?
[19:06] <matjan_work> t61
[19:06] <matjan_work> no p
[19:07] <tanner> close enough; yeah.. its rather annoying having to restart x after using vmware
[19:08] <matjan_work> tanner, ahh... it is not that bad on mine... i only lose the keyboard in the virtual machine sometimes... i do not need to restart x
[19:08] <matjan_work> still annoying though
[19:08] <tanner> on mine i am unable to even activate the caps lock key, no shift key or anything of that sort
[19:09] <matjan_work> i see
[19:09] <cyclonut> has anyone moved to conky 1.5?
[19:10] <matjan_work> tanner, did you look for how to solve this problen?
[19:10] <tanner> i have been unable to find any solutions
[19:11] <matjan_work> ok
[19:11] <tanner> have you?
[19:14] <matjan_work> tanner, no
[19:16] <cyclonut> the onslaught of ignorance in #ubuntu is stunning
[19:17] <Lynoure> cyclonut: you can help them by pointing them to sources of information
[19:17] <tanner> what specifically are you referring to?
[19:18] <nife> Is anyone else seeing that OO won't start giving the error javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!
[19:18] <cyclonut> Lynoure, I can usually handle it, its just I frustrating when people endlessly repeat questions, type like they are 8 years old, or refuse to do some looking on their own.
[19:19] <HardyOne> nife, OO is running stunningly quick here
[19:19] <Grosso> I have Hardy 64 bits and Firefox 32 bits.  what Java plugin should I install to see Java Applets in Firefox?
[19:19] <HardyOne> !java
[19:19] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[19:20] <nife> HardyOne: Darn.  nope I've got sun's java working well as I have eclipse open
[19:20] <graft_> yo, so when I try to do "Settings -> Repositories" in synaptic, it says: "ImportError: No module named softwareproperties.gtk.SoftwarePropertiesGtk
[19:20] <graft_> anyone know how to solve this issue?
[19:21] <graft_> or, instead, some other convenient way to find out the best ubuntu mirror for me?
[19:21] <Lynoure> cyclonut: I know, that's why I decided to take a vacation from it three weeks ago. I recommend the same if it gets too stressful
[19:21] <Neowam> hi all
[19:21] <Neowam> i am n00b here, vista user, first time ubuntu user... having prob with sound device, intel board Intel® Desktop Board DG965SS, only hearing some stuttering, somebody can help me? version 8.04 beta
[19:22] <graft_> Neowam: if you're a first-time ubuntu user, wouldn't you be better off with a stable release rather than an unstable beta?
[19:22] <Neowam> 7.10 was not running at all.. only black screen
[19:22] <Neowam> therefor i installed beta 8.04
[19:22] <graft_> even off the livecd?
[19:22] <vlt> cyclonut: In xorg.conf there's a section "Screen" -> "Configured Monitor", "Configured Video Device". Neither in section "Device" nor in "Monitor" there's any data ... What's wrong here?
[19:23] <Neowam> graft: both mate
[19:23] <cyclonut> vlt: nothing, that is X configuring itself. If you wish to override it's settings, provide your own there.
[19:23] <cyclonut> Lynoure, I think that is brilliant advice.
[19:23] <Neowam> graft_: all is working fine futher... only the sound is not working... when playing, i hear only stuttering...
[19:24] <Neowam> graft_: i tried updates and searching new hardware updates, but that is not working
[19:24] <graft_> Neowam: stuttering like, it's clearly audio, but it's borked, or stuttering like, it might be white noise you're wishing were audio?
[19:24] <vlt> cyclonut: Aah, I see. What should I do to make X work? What's happened to good ol' `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`?
[19:25] <Neowam> graft_: no, only a noise sound... lets say 800khz
[19:25] <Neowam> graft_: continousluy
[19:25] <Lynoure> cyclonut: Thanks. :) And one can always go back, at some point. Post-release help can be quite satisfying, sometimes.
[19:25] <graft_> Neowam: hmm... but clearly something different from when you're not playing
[19:25] <graft_> Neowam: what are you testing audio with?
[19:26] <Neowam> graft_: vlc player, video is playing ok, but sound not...
[19:26] <cyclonut> vlt, thats still there, I havent had to do any fiddling with X in the past 8 months or so, so I am rusty. However, if you have an old X file to work off of, you might take some settings from there.
[19:26] <graft_> Neowam: try something more low-level, like alsaplayer in the shell
[19:27] <vlt> cyclonut: I only have this "empty" one. I don't know where to start.
[19:27] <vlt> Can anyone point me in the rigth direction configuring X?
[19:28] <Neowam> graft_: trying now... hold on... i installed it already now
[19:28] <bluefoxx> will
[19:28] <bluefoxx> a ISA sound card work in hardy?
[19:28] <graft_> wow
[19:29] <Neowam> graft_: dont hear anything... only silence sound...
[19:29] <graft_> is there even ISA kernel support any more?
[19:29] <Neowam> i think playing video is sturbing my sound
[19:29] <flipstar> !hardware | bluefoxx
[19:29] <ubotu> bluefoxx: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[19:29] <graft_> Neowam: see who's using your audio right now, lsof /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[19:30] <bluefoxx> also, i cannot seem to boot 8.04 off of a scsi hard disk, anything on that?
[19:30] <graft_> Neowam: probably that's the right command, might depend on your system
[19:30] <tmh__> why can't I get apache2 to listen to ipv6?
[19:30] <Neowam> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[19:30] <Neowam> alsaplaye 7129 werner  mem    CHR 116,16      12025 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[19:30] <Neowam> alsaplaye 7129 werner    4u   CHR 116,16      12025 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[19:30] <tanner> where do the mplayer codecs go for ubuntu?
[19:30] <adinc> how can i get a particular application to appear in Applications->System Tools? I would like to have a root terminal there
[19:30] <cyclonut> vlt, http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[19:31] <graft_> Neowam: urm. that gets you nothing, uh? are you sure your mixer volume is up?
[19:32] <Neowam> graft_: yup mate, at the full 100%
[19:32] <graft_> tanner: /usr/lib/codecs
[19:32] <Neowam> also no red mute icon
[19:32] <graft_> Neowam: and you're sure it recognizes your audio hardware? does aplay -l list your devices?
[19:32] <tanner> graft_: tried that, no go :-\
[19:33] <graft_> Neowam: make sure in alsamixer, sometimes not all of the right channels are on
[19:33] <graft_> tanner: what do you mean, no go?
[19:33] <tanner> graft_: i play all the codec files in there, and i am unable to play the related media
[19:33] <tanner> its as if mplayer is not finding the codecs directory
[19:34] <Infecto> tanner: mplayer will tell you where he search and dont find
[19:35] <Infecto> tanner: you have coddec pack  (all) from mplayer site?
[19:35] <tanner> let me double check
[19:37] <tanner> i have the essentials from mplayerhq, also other *.dll files in the codecs directory
[19:37] <tanner> erm, that may be why
[19:37] <tanner> "enable it at compilation"
[19:38] <graft> the mplayer from the repository should find 'em in /usr/lib/codecs
[19:38] <Neowam> graft_: hi mate, no any sound... i enabled all below... hardware ID: HDA Intel.. is that right?
[19:38] <tanner> http://pastebin.com/m9f785c0
[19:39] <Neowam> graft_: master, PCM all up, without red crosses below the volume slides
[19:40] <Neowam> graft_: weird of all is that I see all the famous things as the same in Vista, like front mic, back mic, so the hardware looks like reconized
[19:41] <graft> yeah there's definitely kernel support for your audio hardware
[19:41] <graft> possible this is software level stuff
[19:42] <graft> something that MIGHT work is trying to play through the alsa OSS wrapper
[19:42] <Neowam> is that going deeply?
[19:44] <graft> nah, it's pretty easy
[19:44] <graft> and it's actually going through another redirection layer... but it might work
[19:44] <HardyOne> are there any blog applets that sit in panel that support uploading images?
[19:44] <graft> with like a 4% probability
[19:45] <graft> Neowam: just install alsa-oss, then try like aoss mplayer -ao oss <your test file>
[19:45] <Neowam> graft: i just installed it
[19:46] <sourcemaker2> how can I mount the encrypted file system manually?
[19:46] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: its probably in /dev/mapper
[19:47] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: does the kernel automatically detects encrypted file systems? Let's say... I create a new encrypted file system... how to configure that there is a /dev/mapper entry?
[19:48] <Neowam> graft: nothing to hear... :(
[19:48] <fromport> /dev/mapper/sda10_crypt
[19:48] <Neowam> graft: /media/Data & Downloads/Mp3/Engelstalig/[M] Hillsong/Live/[2005] God he reigns/04 - Emmanuel.mp3
[19:48] <Neowam> graft: Forced audio codec: mad
[19:48] <Neowam> Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder
[19:48] <Neowam> AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 320.0 kbit/22.68% (ratio: 40000->176400)
[19:48] <Neowam> Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3)
[19:49] <graft> Neowam: pastebin that man
[19:49] <graft> !pastebin > Neowam
[19:49] <flipstar> which encryption method is is using anyway..?
[19:49] <fromport> cryptsetup                   2:1.0.5-2ubuntu9             configures encrypted block devices
[19:50] <Neowam> graft: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60905/
[19:50] <flipstar> luks ?
[19:50] <fromport> Cryptsetup is a command-line interface for configuring encrypted block devices via dm-crypt, a kernel device-mapper target.
[19:51] <flipstar> ..
[19:51] <sourcemaker2> fromport: thanks
[19:51] <Neowam> graft: thanks, handy service that paste :)
[19:51] <fromport> /usr/sbin/luksformat is included in the package ;-)
[19:52] <flipstar> cool :=)
[19:52] <tanner> anyway to use win32 with x86-64?
[19:55] <graft> Neowam: welp, i'm stumped, man
[19:55] <fromport> tanner: with the right cpu you could use hardware virtualisation (kvm/xen) to run windows inside hardy
[19:56] <tanner> fromport: certainly, however thats a tad excessive for a few videos
[19:56] <Neowam> graft: hehe...
[19:56] <Neowam> graft: i dont really no why this is not working, i just rebooted to vista, all is working fine...
[19:56] <sourcemaker2> is there an official date for the kubuntu 8.04 release?
[19:57] <sourcemaker2> not BETA release
[19:57] <Neowam> april 2008
[19:57] <sourcemaker2> Neowam: cool... thanks
[19:57] <Neowam> sourcemaker: yw
[19:57] <fromport> that wasn't in you question ! "anyway to use win32 with x86-64
[19:57] <graft> sourcemaker2: 8.04 means 2008, April (fourth month) - all versions are titled that way
[19:58] <Neowam> ok :)
[19:58] <sourcemaker2> Neowam: when I use the beta... I installed 1 hour ago... then I only have to apt the new packages?
[19:58] <graft> Neowam: yeah seems like it should work fine... can you at least get some audio, if you do something nutty like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp?
[19:58] <Neowam> graft: i give it a try hold on
[19:58] <graft> frankly I've always been appalled by how crappy the whole audio regime is in linux
[19:58] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, to install new things, sure, you can just use apt
[19:58] <graft> Neowam: be prepared to kill it quickly!
[19:59] <TCMC2010> good infos on crypt with luks on ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404346
[19:59] <cyclonut> graft, arent they making headway, though, with pulse?
[19:59] <tanner> fromport: sorry, i was referring to the win32codecs
[19:59] <TCMC2010> another http://johnleach.co.uk/words/archives/2006/12/06/245/
[19:59] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: that's pretty fine... so I can install the beta on my notebook... and when the offical release is out... I only update the software components... reinstall or dist-upgrade is not required?
[19:59] <graft> cyclonut: pulse seems cool... but it's built on top of alsa anyway, so... if the roots are rotten, i dunno
[20:00] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, correct. I personally like to do a fresh install, but it is not necessary.
[20:00] <cyclonut> graft, wise saying
[20:01] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: why do you personally like to do a fresh install? I have then installed the beta or are there big differences between beta and stable release?
[20:01] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, honestly, its because I usually take my 'beta time' to play, and tinker really hard with the install.
[20:02] <tmh__> any news on the sound breakage that's happening on at least Intel HDA soundcards?
[20:02] <graft> sourcemaker2: some packages won't overwrite pre-existing defaults, so an upgrade is not necessarily identical to a fresh install
[20:02] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, I tend to mess things up, and then do a fresh install, and apply only the things that I know work.
[20:02] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, that said, I have NEVER had luck with a dist-upgrade.
[20:03] <graft> sourcemaker2: for example, in the way your panel is organized - if you already have an existing panel config, an upgrade won't change that
[20:03] <graft> sourcemaker2: so you wouldn't see the system "as intended" for the final release
[20:03] <cyclonut> tmh__, i've had no breakage.
[20:04] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: so should create a extra patition for my home data... so that I can always do a fresh install
[20:04] <graft> does anyone know anything about /usr/share/pyshared vs. /usr/share/pycentral?
[20:04] <Neowam> graft: can i try the alsa driver project?
[20:04] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, they say thats always a good idea. Personally, I jsut back up with an external HDD
[20:04] <HardyOne> tmh__, I suspect next kernel upgrade will fix it
[20:05] <adinc> i somehow need to get the root user terminal in application->system tools can someone help me restoring it?
[20:05] <HardyOne> bug 200388
[20:05] <ubotu> Bug 200388 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/200388 is private
[20:05] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: can I reinstall my current applications I use... without reselect them with apt...
[20:05] <HardyOne> oops bug 200338
[20:05] <tanner> how can i build a 32bit mplayer
[20:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[20:06] <HardyOne> hmmm fix is released
[20:06] <graft> Neowam: how do you mean?
[20:06] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, I think theres a way... hold on
[20:06] <graft> Neowam: you mean installing new alsa drivers?
[20:06] <Neowam> yes
[20:06] <Neowam> graft: yes
[20:06] <Neowam> graft: compile does not work ... mmm
[20:06] <Neowam> graft: sudo ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) does not work
[20:07] <graft> Neowam: you need all them kernel headers, did you install those packages?
[20:07] <Neowam> mmm ok, let met check
[20:07] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, there is a way to do it, but I'm not sure about how
[20:07] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, sorry
[20:15] <adinc> not possible to have a Terminal as Root again in the Applications menu?
[20:18] <sourcemaker2> I have a harddisk with 250 GB... is it fine to separate this hardisk into 2 patitions? using 200GB for all my data and 50 GB for the os?
[20:18] <eternal_p> g' afternoon all..I am running into a small compile program, (in pastbin in a second):
[20:18] <tmh__> cyclonut: you have Intel HDA soundcard?
[20:18] <tmh__> HardyOne: any background on this?
[20:18] <cyclonut> aye
[20:19] <HardyOne> tmh__, I do have that card but still no sound
[20:19] <cyclonut> I have it, i have sound
[20:19] <eternal_p> pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m5d23f260
[20:19] <tmh__> well damn, I wonder how that's possible
[20:20] <HardyOne> cyclonut, you in the mood for some sound debugging/fixing :)
[20:20] <cyclonut> HardyOne, I can try to do my part
[20:20] <eternal_p> sourcemaker2: that is what I do
[20:20] <eternal_p> I have /boot at 100mb, /swap at 2gigs, / as 10 and /home as the rest
[20:21] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p:  for the moment... all my data are stored in one patition... so reinstall kubuntu always takes a long time to restore my personal data from backup :-)
[20:21] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p: I will try this
[20:21] <werner_> graft: is works!!!
[20:21] <HardyOne> sound was working fine for me when I first installed . not sure what happened that broke it
[20:21] <eternal_p> sourcemaker2: just remember on a new install, just uncheck "format" on your /home partition ;)
[20:22] <graft> werner_: building the new drivers worked? nice!
[20:22] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p: year... i should uncheck this ;-)
[20:22] <werner_> huh? i am werner
[20:22] <werner_> not neowam
[20:22] <werner_> lol
[20:22] <werner_> yes, installed 1.16 alsa drivers
[20:22] <eternal_p> anyone have any ideas on my issue? :)
[20:22] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p: when I use the encrypted file system feature... how do I backup the data also encrypted?
[20:23] <werner_> graft: can you send this bug fix to ubuntu development team?
[20:23] <eternal_p> sourcemaker2: I have never tried it so I don't know, sorry
[20:23] <graft> werner_: enh not interested... but you can if you want :)
[20:23] <cyclonut> HardyOne, yeah, mines been working since install
[20:23] <werner_> graft: lol; how i can do that?
[20:24] <graft> werner_: launchpad.net, i'd probably file it against alsa-base
[20:24] <HardyOne> thinking of just doing a fresh install and putting /home on it's own anyway
[20:25] <graft> werner_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/
[20:25] <werner_> cool mate
[20:25] <werner_> graft: thanks for your support
[20:25] <graft> werner_: good on you for filing bugs :)
[20:26] <werner_> graft: hehe... i am beta tester for windows helpdesk software, so i like to discover :)
[20:27] <Neowam> graft_: the new desktop; do you know the shortkeys?
[20:27] <graft> eternal_p: surely you installed libcairo2-dev?
[20:28] <graft> Neowam: for gnome? nope
[20:28] <Neowam> graft: windows tab is working, but i saw the youtube vs aero... wanna try that too :P
[20:28] <Neowam> graft: like 3d cube
[20:28] <graft> not sure what you mean, Neowam
[20:28] <graft> oh ah... cube rotation is i think ctrl+alt+drag mouse on the desktop
[20:28] <Neowam> graft: on youtube you have ubuntu vs aero desktop
[20:29] <sourcemaker2> can I change the passphrase of my encrypted file system?
[20:29] <eternal_p> graft: but of course
[20:29] <cyclonut> HardyOne, if you want me to check anything on my setup, feel free to ask
[20:30] <eternal_p> graft: give me a little credit :)
[20:30] <HardyOne> cyclonut, I am going to do a fresh install
[20:30] <HardyOne> thanks anyway bud
[20:31] <graft> eternal_p: yeah, i'm just stabbing in the dark, since i dunno what you're compiling here... that's the only reference i can find to that variable, tho
[20:31] <eternal_p> graft: Gnusticker
[20:31] <adinc> not possible to have a Terminal as Root again in the Applications menu?
[20:31] <graft> eternal_p: you could try editing that file and just changing ATSUI to QUARTZ, whatever that means
[20:31] <eternal_p> all I ask is for a scrolling, multiple feed desktop RSS ticker ,and I can't find one :)
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: there's a kde4 plasmoid that does that
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: not pretty, but it seems to work
[20:32] <eternal_p> graft: on gnome?
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: kde4
[20:32] <eternal_p> graft: yup, but I'm running gnome
[20:32] <eternal_p> KDE4 lasted about 15mins until I got annoyed and went back to gnome :)
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: that was your first mistake!
[20:33] <graft> yeah, not quite there yet... but it has tons of promise
[20:33] <graft> seems to be a weird mix of hopelessly broken and incredibly cool
[20:33] <eternal_p> graft: right, but I'm very comfortable in gnome, took me a total of 30mins to get it exactly how I like it, can't ask for more than that
[20:33] <eternal_p> just missing a RSS scrolling news ticker,lol
[20:34] <eternal_p> or at least get google to update google desktop and then I don't have to worry
[20:34] <ulo> hi folks.  my hardy gdm is not using my french keyboard layout but qwerty instead.  where do I go to change this?  everything is fine after login
[20:34] <graft> ulo: isn't there some system preferences for gdm?
[20:35] <ulo> graft: I don't see any that affect the keyboard layout
[20:35] <Lynoure> ulo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf has keyboard section, check that first
[20:35] <ulo> Lynoure: checking...
[20:35] <eternal_p> i'm out...thanks any ways!
[20:35] <Lynoure> I had it behaving very weirdly when I had an unknown variant there last time.
[20:36] <ompaul> ulo, as you go to log in you can choose the keymap for the log in screen
[20:37] <ulo> ompaul: but I don't want to do this every time!
[20:38] <ulo> Lynoure: thanks, I changed xorg.conf, we'll see if it works next time I reboot (or logout)
[20:38] <ompaul> ulo, it locks and loads to a default setting
[20:38] <ulo> ompaul: ok, I'll check it out if Lynoure's solution doesn't work
[20:38] <ulo> thank you all!
[20:38] <ompaul> cheers
[20:38] <ompaul> hers will
[20:39] <ompaul> Lynoure, I found that doing ltsp on a work network ;-)
[20:39] <graft> yeah i just found a launchpad thread saying Lynoure's solution will work
[20:40] <Lynoure> I just tested it myself two weeks ago. Did not ever try changing it from kdm menus, as I use a self-made variant (FI lyndvorak)
[20:40] <graft> you have your own keyboard layout?
[20:40] <nomentero> adinc: open a terminal:sudo alacarte    .......then go to system tools and activate the root terminal
[20:41] <Amaranth> no no no no no no no no no
[20:41] <Amaranth> STOP
[20:41] <Amaranth> _never_ run alacarte as root
[20:42] <adinc> nomentero: so as what then? normal user
[20:42] <Lynoure> ompaul: any idea by the way how to get console-setup to accept a modified xkb layout? it works fine in x, but I guess console-setup uses pre-generated maps and puts them somewhere...
[20:42] <adinc> nomentero: thank you very much
[20:42] <nomentero> :-)
[20:43] <Lynoure> Seems that they keyboard layout stuff always changes ever so slightly between releases.
[20:43] <poseidon> I installed hardy heron, and my internet connection worked great, but when I went to reboot it didn't even give me the option to enable wireless networks, nor did it give me the option to manually edit my wireless networks.  however if I went to admin->network info (I think it was that) it showed me the preveus network I used to connect to the interenet.
[20:43] <adinc> Amaranth: i run alcarte as normal user
[20:43] <ompaul> Lynoure, in ubuntu I found that the kb followed the X setup - and I always set it up how I wanted it from scratch
[20:44] <ompaul> Lynoure, moving to gnu/linux broke my gnu/freebsd memories
[20:44] <Lynoure> ompaul: it did not seem to do that in hardy anymore...
[20:44] <ompaul> Lynoure, ack will test /me grabs minimal
[20:45] <ompaul> Lynoure, for (hopefully) obvious reasons I want hardy to work
[20:45] <Lynoure> ompaul: I mean, in the console. I could define the xkb stuff to use in that file, but that only works if it's a pre-existing layout... in gutsy self-modified ones worked fine too.
[20:45] <ompaul> yeap
[20:45] <ompaul> let me go poke
[20:45] <Lynoure> I can live with uk dvorak for console, just missing on ä and ö then
[20:46] <Lynoure> I'm off to sleep soonish, though.
[20:46] <ompaul> ack
[20:47] <ompaul> stupid shuttle bios - no keyboard press F1
[20:47] <Lynoure> that's a classic
[20:48] <graft> anyone know how long this firefox-3 beta cycle is supposed to laste?
[20:51] <Lynoure> graft: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Schedule might be the closest anyone knows
[20:54] <graft> dangit - that's not a schedule, that's a history!
[20:54] <Lynoure> graft: common with open source projects. Closed source ones often have fiction schedules instead
[20:55] <graft> haha
[20:56] <poseidon> So does anyone know how I can get the wireless configuration manager back?
[20:57] <Tuv0k> !NetManager
[20:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netmanager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:57] <Tuv0k> !wifi
[20:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:00] <graft> !NetworkManager
[21:00] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[21:02] <Tuv0k> ty
[21:02] <orkun> hey there - formated hard drive - this time hardy instead of gutsy - before I had in deluge and rhythmbox big icons and no text - now i can only get small icons and adjust the text globally so that evolution gets screwed :) was not there a way to adjust that? apart from that i know i removed plenty of buttons in deluge - how did i do that? ^^
[21:02] <Lynoure> poseidon: if you mean back as in the applet back, and in kde, type knetworkmanager on the command line, something similar probably for gnome, unless things are messed up deeply
[21:03] <Tuv0k> for gnome type NetworkManager at the cli
[21:04] <Lynoure> ompaul: If anything, either way, turns out in the exploring of kb layouts, please let me know. I'm off to sleep but Lynoure: or messages reach me
[21:04] <orkun> hmm nautilus is different too - any place to play around with the toolbars other than preferences > appearance > interface?
[21:04] <poseidon> Lynoure, will that reinstall the network manager module as the network manager module works, just not correctly.  I can open it up, it just doesn't give any options for wireless connections.
[21:05] <Lynoure> poseidon: no, just load it... you just asked how to get it back. Can't troubleshoot now, really need to sleep
[21:06] <Lynoure> poseidon: but, sometimes the problem is as simple as uncommented wlan nic in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:06] <_Angelus_> guys
[21:07] <_Angelus_> does kubuntu beta has the restricted-drivers-manager yet?
[21:07] <_Angelus_> :/
[21:07] <Finnish> I'm on hardy. Firefox is not playing WMV-files
[21:07] <Finnish> What to do
[21:08] <graft> install mozilla-mplayer?
[21:08] <HardyOne> !mplayer
[21:08] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[21:10] <slaytanic> If I install the hardy beta, will I need to dist-upgrade when the final version comes out?
[21:11] <orkun> what do you mean by dist upgrade? there is nothing bad on a dist-upgrade :>
[21:11] <ethana2> slaytanic: probably not
[21:11] <ethana2> partial upgrades perhaps
[21:11] <ethana2> but nothing like a full blown dist upgrade
[21:11] <_Angelus_> so, any response about the resitriced-manager ?
[21:11] <_Angelus_> :/
[21:11] <slaytanic> Great. Thanks.
[21:11] <orkun> id also say probably not as there wont be 500 updates waiting for you
[21:11] <graft> wtf? of course you should dist-upgrade when the final version comes out
[21:12] <orkun> he did not ask whether he should - he asked whether there is one waiting for him :)
[21:12] <ethana2> it's the same distribution though
[21:12] <orkun> but iirc there is one waiting for you after you install the actual beta
[21:12] <ethana2> hmm
[21:12] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: no idea, sorry, I use kubuntu but not closed drivers
[21:12] <orkun> dist upgrade is just packages being held back to be run after you ran upgrade
[21:13] <orkun> nothing to do with huge or not huge - just making upgrading smoother
[21:13] <slaytanic> mmm
[21:13] <orkun> most of the upgrades in there are even unimportant in my experience - the critical ones get updated in ¨upgrade" according to my knowledge :>
[21:14] <orkun> but iirc after installing beta i upgraded maybe a hundred packages via upgrade and maybe 6 via dist upgrade - but i could be wrong as i very fast enable restricted extras and medibuntu and get huge apt-get installs
[21:15] <graft> a few hundred packages is no big deal... just go get a sandwich and it'll be done when you get back, usually
[21:15] <orkun> but dont feel bad to install the beta now slaytanic - as it wont be like an upgrade from win98 to winXP with ubuntu. after upgrading to final u wont know how you got to have the final. there is no difference in a so called "clean" install(or should not according to my knowledge)
[21:16] <_Angelus_> orkun:  if you wanna give it a try its really ease
[21:16] <graft> there is often a difference in a 'clean' install
[21:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, try aptitude -- it does dependencies better.
[21:16] <_Angelus_> orkun:  download the live cd, install it from winxp without any modification to the partitions
[21:16] <_Angelus_> :p
[21:16] <DanaG> Just 'sudo aptitude' in a console.
[21:17] <orkun> yeah like having a kernel more graft  >:)
[21:17] <graft> aptitude does dependencies better?
[21:17] <graft> as far as i understand, aptitude is just a front-end to apt-get
[21:18] <slaytanic> aptitude does things like keeping a list of the packages you explicitly installed.
[21:19] <charles__> when I go to system:preferences:sound and hit test on sound playback I get: gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[21:20] <charles__> I get the same thing with pulseaudio selected
[21:20] <charles__> if I select alsa, I get sound
[21:20] <charles__> and, gnome apps all fail to play sound with the same Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument error
[21:22] <graft> slaytanic: as opposed to stuff that got installed automatically?
[21:23] <slaytanic> graft: Yep. It helps in removing the cruft when you uninstall something afterwards.
[21:26] <vlt> Hello. I installed Hardy and got several issues: Video driver is shoen as
[21:26] <vlt> ooops
[21:26] <flipstar> as ooops ?
[21:27] <vlt> ... VESA generic instead of intel GM965
[21:27] <adinc> during the installation of ubuntu-restricted-extras my terminal crashed. it was downloading some fonts, when i now reinstall this package it doesn't download the fonts anymore, can i have it redownload again?
[21:28] <vlt> I got blurry fonts (maybe that's related) and the wifi chip doesn't work (Atheros AR242x in lspci).
[21:29] <flipstar> adinc: if you want to redownload (which makes no sence to me) you must clean the cache in /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:29] <flipstar> vlt: did you already installed the graphic drivers ?
[21:29] <adinc> flipstar: there i did delete thearchive, but i'm talking about a download which the package initiates from a different site
[21:29] <Finnish> I have a Sitecom 112 WLAN-card in my laptop, how do I know it is working?
[21:30] <Stavros> hello
[21:30] <Stavros> how can i install kde 4?
[21:30] <vlt> flipstar: Not explicitly. How should I do this?
[21:30] <Stavros> oops
[21:30] <flipstar> adinc: starting the package again doesnt help ?
[21:30] <flipstar> vlt: use the driver manager
[21:31] <adinc> flipstar: no, unfortunately not. i removed it with aptitutde and then installed it again with aptitude. it installes it but the initial download process which looks like a wget doesn't start again
[21:31] <flipstar> Stavros: tutorial in #kubuntu-kde4 topic
[21:32] <Stavros> oh, thanks
[21:32] <vlt> flipstar: I opened the driver manager. Atheros HAL and 802.11 support are enabled. No video card entry.
[21:32] <flipstar> adinc: maybe you should remove it completly aka purge it
[21:32] <poseidon> I installed hardy heron, and my internet connection worked great, but when I went to reboot it didn't even give me the option to enable wireless networks, nor did it give me the option to manually edit my wireless networks.  however if I went to admin->network info (I think it was that) it showed me the preveus network I used to connect to the interenet.
[21:32] <adinc> flipstar: how, like aptitude remove ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[21:32] <adinc> i did this
[21:33] <flipstar> adinc: i prefer apt.. sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:33] <flipstar> vlt: hm maybe your graphic manufactor offers drivers..
[21:34] <sourcemaker> when I install the new kubuntu beta and use the encrypted file system... then it takes a long time to delete my patition... does it shred the data? And If yes... how does it do?
[21:34] <Finnish> lspci shows this: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI
[21:34] <adinc> flipstar: didin't make any change, still the same
[21:34] <leo_rockw> ahoy!
[21:34] <adinc> can i someohow force a package to be installed
[21:34] <Finnish> Do I need a driver for it, or is it automatically on=
[21:34] <Finnish> ?
[21:35] <vlt> flipstar: `aptitude search xorg | grep -i intel` shows me "i A xserver-xorg-video-intel".
[21:36] <flipstar> Finnish: you can try the driver manager as well
[21:37] <Finnish> flipstar: How?
[21:37] <leo_rockw> hello people. i have a question regarding the ati drivers. i am using fgrlx and i want to change it for the non-restricted ones, how do i go about that?
[21:37] <flipstar> vlt: then use this instead..but im not sure about 3d acceleration with this one..
[21:38] <leo_rockw> i'm guessing i have to edit xorg.conf, change fgrlx for smth else, but i don't know how the other drivers are even called
[21:39] <BusError> I have strange 'lockups' for a few seconds at a time every 10-15 or so using synergy; anyone is aware of that ?
[21:39] <TD-Linux> is hardy in a stable state atm? I'm planning to upgrade now, especially becaues I'm already using the new kernel and several other packages
[21:39] <TD-Linux> it seems to be with mostly good reports
[21:39] <flipstar> leo_rockw: theres ati, radeon, fglrx, vesa and the rest i forgot
[21:40] <Amaranth> Well it shouldn't change too much between now and the final release and ideally nothing would break but you never know
[21:40] <Finnish> Network-window shows Wireless network and roaming is enabled, so I think it is ok
[21:40] <BusError> I just upgraded to Hardy, and adept failed misarably; I had to go and recover the mess using aptitude
[21:40] <hspaans> leo_rockw: which card do you have?
[21:40] <leo_rockw> flipstar: fglrx is the one i'm using, and i'm pretty sure radeon doesn't work for me.
[21:41] <leo_rockw> hspaans: mobility x1400
[21:41] <flipstar> leo_rockw: just try ati for the ati drivers
[21:41] <flipstar> radoen selects automaticly afair
[21:41] <leo_rockw> flipstar: would i need to adjust anything else in xorg.conf?
[21:41] <hspaans> leo_rockw: radeonhd driver is needed
[21:42] <flipstar> you cant but i guess you dont have to
[21:42] <Amaranth> leo_rockw: you can't get acceleration for that card without fglrx
[21:42] <leo_rockw> hspaans: what's the name of the package for radeonhd? i never heard of those drivers
[21:42] <Infecto>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:42] <Infecto> i buidl my own kernel
[21:42] <vlt> flipstar: Xorg.0.log says "(II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: ... 965GM ...", "(--) Chipset 965GM found", then "(WW) intel(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum" and "(WW) intel(0): EXA greedy mode enabled for i965 migration".
[21:42] <flipstar> leo_rockw: i jumped of from ati ages ago
[21:42] <Infecto> but its not the fresh one
[21:42] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: i know, but using fgrxl i can't close my laptop lid
[21:43] <hspaans> leo_rockw: Xorg -configure will genereate a new config file and its part of Xorg
[21:43] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: everything freezes
[21:43] <Infecto> hwo to udpate this?
[21:43] <leo_rockw> hspaans: thank you
[21:43] <Infecto> by apt or i must use git?
[21:43] <Amaranth> leo_rockw: in that case the 'ati' driver does do 2d acceleration
[21:43] <Amaranth> you don't want radeonhd
[21:43] <Amaranth> the ati/radeon driver supports everything radeonhd does
[21:43] <hspaans> leo_rockw: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[21:44] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: ok, i'll try the ati one then. i would like to get 3d acceleration, but right now being able to close the lid is more important
[21:44] <Amaranth> radeonhd == bad stuff
[21:44] <Amaranth> it does not have a reason for existence
[21:44] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: haha, ok
[21:44] <flipstar> vlt: sounds bad..X is not working with that .. ?
[21:45] <leo_rockw> thanks for your help guys
[21:45] <leo_rockw> going to restart X. brb
[21:46] <vlt> flipstar: "System settings" says "VESA (generic)". I got full resolution and GLX running, but blurry fonts. Any idea?
[21:47] <flipstar> vlt: you didnt changed to intel yet ?
[21:48] <gorthaug> hi
[21:48] <flipstar> vlt: change the video driver to intel..as you mentioned it exists
[21:49] <sourcemaker> when I create a new encrypted file system on patition... is shred required before I create the encFS? (to be 100% sure)
[21:50] <vlt> flipstar: Where exactly to do this? Just add "Driver intel" to the "Dvice" section in xorg.conf?
[21:50] <vlt> *Device
[21:50] <nemo> sourcemaker: ... of what? :)
[21:50] <sourcemaker> nemo: that nobody can restore the data
[21:50] <flipstar> vlt: yes in xorg.conf..just replace vesa with intel (i guess its intel, see the package describtion for details)
[21:50] <gorthaug> i'm with the 8.04 beta, and i've a problem with the sound in amsn... i've installed esdound-clients and i've changed to esdplay the player in amsn, but i don't have sound
[21:51] <synic> I just upgraded to hardy, and my sound no longer works.  It says it can't find the device.  The via82cxxx module is loaded... is there anything else it could be?
[21:51] <nemo> sourcemaker: ok. so you're worried that info you are about to move into this encrypted filesystem from an unencrypted home might remain outside it just with inode references removed?
[21:51] <nemo> sourcemaker: in which case, yes :)
[21:51] <vlt> flipstar: Currently there's no vesa entry. It just says "Configured Video Device"
[21:53] <sourcemaker> nemo: let's say... all my harddisk's are unencrypted... and now I all encrypt all my harddisks... should I shred the data... before I use the encrypted file system?
[21:54] <sourcemaker> nemo: sda1 plain -> copy sda1 to sdb1->encrypted...
[21:54]  * leo_rockw is back
[21:54] <sourcemaker> nemo: should I shred /sdb1 before creating the encFS on /dev/sdb1?
[21:55] <leo_rockw> fgrlxinfo says i'm using the Mesa drivers, that's not what i want, is it?
[22:11] <jin> when I click on QUIT, my system just hangs... and doesn't respond to any mouse action.. I have to do alt+ctrl+backspace to restart X. :(
[22:13] <mcquaid_> i'm running vnc like this on a beta hardy box: vnc4server :1 -depth 16 -geometry 1024x768
[22:14] <mcquaid_> i can login remotely, and most things are accessible, like synaptic so gksudo is fine, but i can't for example unlock in add users and groups
[22:16] <syke> hi
[22:17] <RAOF> mcquaid_: Hm.  That's kinda interesting.
[22:17] <syke> I've noticed that my powernowd seems to not be running
[22:17] <syke> I've tried restarting it, but it never comes up
[22:17] <syke> powernow_k8 module is lsited in lsmod
[22:17] <syke> this started a few weeks ago
[22:17] <syke> any ideas?
[22:18] <RAOF> mcquaid_: The policykit stuff requires that you have a DBUS session bus running properly.  You may need to start something different in the vnc session.
[22:18] <mcquaid_> yes it did mention something about that failing when i logged in
[22:19] <Finnish> How do I install Flash?
[22:19] <flipstar> sudo apt-get install -y flashplugin-nonfree
[22:20] <spiderfire> whats -y?
[22:20] <matjan> what would be the best way to install xp on a second physical hard drive?
[22:20] <spiderfire> assume yes
[22:20] <flipstar> correct
[22:20] <leo_rockw> spiderfire: yes :-P
[22:21] <flipstar> matjan: there is no best way to install windows
[22:21] <Finnish> flipstar: Thanks
[22:21] <spiderfire> Maybe you can find a home in linux
[22:21] <spiderfire> instead of travelling back and forth between dimensions
[22:22] <syke> matjan: tricky, the best order is to install windows first and then install ubuntu
[22:22] <syke> and then the windows entry will already be in the grub.conf
[22:22] <matjan> naturally... i run linux only at the moment
[22:22] <nemo> oh. sourcemaker disappeared. oh well.
[22:22] <matjan> syke, not really an option... i do not feel like re-installing ubuntu
[22:22] <spiderfire> ya i got linux and windows..but you have to wipe the mbr to install windows....i think you have to install it on the primary drive as well
[22:23] <syke> matjan: I figured, just throwing it out there :)
[22:23] <matjan> alright
[22:23] <syke> you could set the wnd hard drive to be the primary, install windows on it, and then st it to be the secondary
[22:23] <syke> and then manually point grunb.conf at it
[22:23] <syke> that's how I did is in the olden days, but with lilo :)
[22:24] <matjan> i see
[22:24] <syke> is anyone else having issues with their powernowd not starting correctly?
[22:24] <matjan> when i started switching to linux, i also dual-booted, but then win was installed first
[22:24] <matjan> different situation now
[22:25] <matjan> i just want to do this in order to leave the option open for some games
[22:25] <bhsx> what's the easiest way to get dvd playback in hardy?
[22:26] <bhsx> i see that libdvdread is installed by default
[22:26] <HardyOne> !dvd
[22:26] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[22:26] <bhsx> and also loved the new mp3 link to synaptic to install the codecs
[22:26] <TCMC2010> bhsx, aptitude install vlc ?!
[22:26] <bhsx> oh duh
[22:26] <TCMC2010> xine-ui, mplayer
[22:26] <leo_rockw> apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras says "dvd playback"
[22:26] <bhsx> i forgot all about installing vnc
[22:26] <bhsx> vlc
[22:27] <matjan> medibuntu is also avaialable already for hardy
[22:28] <syke> I see nothign in dmesg or /var/log/messages
[22:32] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:32] <_Angelus_> somebody can tell me why is kubuntu beta faster?
[22:33] <_Angelus_> is it caue im using the NTFS filesystem?
[22:33] <_Angelus_> :s
[22:33] <_Angelus_> *cause
[22:33] <_Angelus_> as faster i mean, faster then gutsy
[22:35] <mcquaid> ok ya somehow my home .dbus dir was owned by root.  i get no complaints about dbus now that I've switched the owner but i still can't unlock in add user groups
[22:36] <jussio1> _Angelus_: its cause you havent installed all your crap yet :P
[22:38] <mcquaid> ok the dbus just died. it said retried to start too many times
[22:38] <_Angelus_> jussi01, i installed it all :p
[22:38] <_Angelus_> i think the NT file system is faster then ext3 and reiser
[22:38] <leo_rockw> _Angelus_: XP disagrees ;-)
[22:39] <_Angelus_> what does XP say then leo_rockw ?
[22:39] <_Angelus_> :o
[22:39] <leo_rockw> _Angelus_: ntfs gets fragmented really easily
[22:39] <leo_rockw> _Angelus_: and that slows everything down in a couple of days
[22:39] <_Angelus_> yes i know
[22:39] <savvas> _Angelus_: you used wubi? you should experience less speed if you used wubi to install ubuntu hardy on an ntfs
[22:39] <_Angelus_> but on a fresh install
[22:39] <_Angelus_> its much faster then ext3
[22:39] <franz1789> hello
[22:40] <savvas> _Angelus_: keep it running for 30 days with no reboot, then compare results :)
[22:40] <_Angelus_> savvas,  i installed using wubi on an ntfs, but im seeing hard way faster then gutsy
[22:40] <franz1789> when I open Firefox 3.0, it's always in work offline, is there a way to disable this setting?
[22:40] <savvas> _Angelus_: you used gutsy on ntfs too?
[22:40] <_Angelus_> savvas,  nope
[22:40] <savvas> you're comparing two different releases then :P
[22:40] <savvas> hardy is faster, true :)
[22:41] <_Angelus_> thats why im asking if its NTFS or Hardy that is giving me this fast performance
[22:41] <savvas> not thanks to ntfs though :D
[22:41] <franz1789> perhaps I have to change some settings in about:config?
[22:41] <_Angelus_> oh
[22:41] <_Angelus_> so its not cause of ntfs
[22:41] <savvas> franz1789: about:config - search for: offline :)
[22:42] <_Angelus_> tomorrow i'll give it a try on a seperate partition
[22:42] <savvas> franz1789: browser.offline should be false
[22:42] <savvas> franz1789: you can also change that from the menu File -> work offline ;)
[22:43] <franz1789> savvas, it's false, but it's the same
[22:43] <savvas> franz1789: then you have no internet
[22:43] <savvas> i mean.. your browser isn't configured
[22:43] <franz1789> savvas, yes I have, in fact when I go and disable work offline, it works
[22:43] <savvas> franz1789: do you use a proxy?
[22:44] <franz1789> savvas, no, I have a 8Mb ADSL, connected thru a conexant chipset usb modem
[22:45] <savvas> franz1789: um.. hmm, you close your firefox normally?
[22:45] <franz1789> savvas, it's boring everytime I open FF to go and disable work offline
[22:45] <franz1789> savvas, yep, always closed normally, instead some crashes
[22:47] <savvas> franz1789: close firefox, run firefox -ProfileManager and create a new user, see if that helps, or move/backup your .mozilla/ directory in your home directory and start firefox, should clear up any custom settings
[22:47] <franz1789> i'll try
[22:47] <franz1789> thanks
[22:48] <savvas> franz1789: if it doesn't, sudo aptitude reinstall firefox-3.0
[22:48] <savvas> then try to report a bug, explaining your problem, yadda yadda yadda  and that you tried the above steps :)
[22:49] <HardyOne> tmh__, bug 200338
[22:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[22:52] <Leviath> Hi all, I have a problem with Hardy Beta, .mp3-files do not show the default music-icons and also don' t show the preview icons when hovered over (nor does it play a preview). I already tried reinstalling some mime-packages but this did not help, can someone help me?
[22:52] <tahcX> ehh
[22:53] <tahcX> Ubuntu 8 ?
[22:53] <savvas> yes xchat-backwards
[22:53] <savvas> :p
[22:53] <tahcX> lol
[22:53] <tahcX> funny savvas
[22:53] <savvas> 8.04 - 2008.April :)
[22:53] <tahcX> yea..
[22:53] <tahcX> sucks
[22:53] <tahcX> thats far
[22:54] <savvas> great, you're halfway to make it better
[22:54] <HardyOne> in a couple weeks
[22:54] <franz1789> savvas, it seems it works now, I have backed the mozilla folder, now it works fine
[22:54] <savvas> tahcX: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[22:55] <savvas> franz1789: well if you don't have anything like bookmarks and such, keep it like that :)
[22:55] <franz1789> savvas, no, sorry, doesn't work again
[22:55] <franz1789> :D
[22:55] <savvas> franz1789: what did you do?
[22:56] <savvas> it couldn't have worked the first time and then broke unless you've done something, or there is indeed a bug somewhere there :)
[22:56] <franz1789> When I opened it, it was in the file:// home, the file in Ubuntu, when I put google as home, it went offline again
[22:58] <tahcX> non of you guys are using PPC architecture ehh >
[22:58] <tahcX> ?
[22:58] <savvas> franz1789: edit > preferences > advanced > network > settings > auto-detect proxy settings > ok > close
[22:58] <franz1789> savvas, no it doesn't
[22:59] <flipstar> is someone running kde4 here ?
[23:00] <franz1789> nor the --reinstall worked
[23:00] <flipstar> or kde3 with kde4 apps..?
[23:01] <bhsx> well, i gotta say, i just installed the drivers from the ati website...  and everything is much slower because of beryl/compiz being started automatically
[23:02] <bhsx> that's kinda disappointing
[23:02] <savvas> franz1789: well.. i'm out of ideas..
[23:02] <savvas> franz1789: tried a new user?
[23:03] <leo_rockw> flipstar: i have kde4 (i barely use it, tho)
[23:03] <franz1789> savvas, yep
[23:03] <savvas> franz1789: bug reporting time then :)
[23:03] <franz1789> savvas, is there a channel for firefox beta?
[23:03] <flipstar> leo_rockw: hm youre not running it right now ?
[23:03] <bhsx> well, shutting off visual effects sped things right back up
[23:03] <nemo> franz1789: irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox ? :)
[23:03] <leo_rockw> flipstar: nope, why?
[23:03] <savvas> franz1789: i think.. on server irc.mozilla.org #firefox
[23:04] <leo_rockw> flipstar: i am running 3.5.9
[23:04] <poseidon> Is there a way to give my file browser (the default one for gnome) a address bar?
[23:04] <bhsx> but i dont know that it should be started automatically when you install 3d drivers
[23:04] <Neowam> anybody already newsleecher running correctly with wine?
[23:04] <savvas> nemo 's a frequent flier there :P
[23:04] <flipstar> leo_rockw: nvm then..i think i found a bug in klipper-kde4 ..
[23:04] <poseidon> so I can type in an address and go to it
[23:04] <nemo> savvas: well. #mozillazine more :-p
[23:04] <savvas> :)
[23:05] <leo_rockw> flipstar: pm me and i'll try to reproduce it later
[23:05] <leo_rockw> i'm going to have dinner now :-P
[23:05] <flipstar> okay.. :)
[23:06] <Neowam> hi flipstar
[23:06] <flipstar> hi
[23:06] <Neowam> you have experiences with newsleecher and wine? :)
[23:06] <flipstar> nope
[23:06] <Neowam> ok, thanks
[23:07] <poseidon> So does anyone know how to get an address bar for my file manager?
[23:08] <KrimZon> poseidon: does clicking on the button below the back button work?
[23:08] <Neowam> flipstar; what is a good usenet leecher for linux?
[23:08] <mneptok> Neowam: i like Pan for nntp
[23:08] <Neowam> coool
[23:09] <Neowam> let me take a look
[23:09] <Neowam> and my latest question :P :  the hotkeys for the 3d desktop
[23:09] <Neowam> for getting the cube, etc..
[23:09] <franz1789> anyway, as just said, the advice me to uninstall the Network Manager, because Firefox control that setting for networking
[23:09] <franz1789> now it works fine
[23:11] <mneptok> franz1789: you should not uninstal network-manager
[23:11] <mneptok> franz1789: if Firefox is controlling your network interfaces, we have a problem
[23:11] <franz1789> mneptok, well, I'm not using it, I never tried to configure my usb modem with netmanager
[23:12] <mneptok> franz1789: i think you're confused
[23:12] <franz1789> mneptok, why?
[23:13] <mneptok> franz1789: your modem's configuration and your computer's configuration are separate issues
[23:14] <franz1789> mneptok, network-manager and network-manager-gnome are tools to configure the network. since I'm not using router, I can't use these tools
[23:14] <franz1789> mneptok, usb modem cannot be controlled by them.
[23:14] <mneptok> franz1789: that is incorrect
[23:14] <franz1789> mneptok, sure? why?
[23:15] <bbrazil> finally have hardy installed, remind me not to that again
[23:15] <mneptok> franz1789: n-m and n-m-applet configure the network connections of the local machines, whether that machine uses a router, a WAP, a modem, or a stright-up RJ-45 connection
[23:15] <poseidon> krimZon, yes. Thanks
[23:15] <cyclonut> bbrazil, lots of trouble?
[23:16] <bbrazil> yes, upgrade tool didn't work for me - couldn't get it pointing at my local mirror
[23:16] <bbrazil> doing it by hand was most instructive
[23:16] <franz1789> mneptok, have you ever tried to configure the network with a usb modem? a winmodem? and which adress has my modem? I ask you because, if it works, it'd be better
[23:16] <bbrazil> think I've found at least one bug though, need to double check
[23:17] <cyclonut> ah
[23:18] <mneptok> franz1789: n-m isn't necessary for that. just use slmodemdaemon
[23:18] <mneptok> (if it works)
[23:18] <mneptok> Winmodems are notoriously crappy and non-standard
[23:19] <franz1789> mneptok, well, I don't know and I don't give, but when I uninstalled net-manager and other, firefox begin to work correctly
[23:19] <franz1789> mneptok, the problem was not with my modem, I always used it correctly
[23:19] <tahcX> anyone in here using the beta version of Hardy ?
[23:19] <franz1789> everyone
[23:20] <tahcX> how good it is ?
[23:20] <tahcX> any screenshots ?
[23:20] <jin> tahcX: not working very good for me.. but I did a upgrade form Gutsy
[23:20] <jin> from*
[23:20] <franz1789> tahcX, apparently it's feisty, there are a few graphic changes
[23:21] <franz1789> sorry, gutsy
[23:21] <savvas> tahcX: probably everyone in here uses hardy alpha or beta updated :)
[23:21] <jin> tahcX: if you're planning to try it, do a fresh install, that's what I am going to do in the next 2 hours
[23:22] <savvas> jin: what problems?
[23:22] <tahcX> i was going to install in it on a PPC archi
[23:22] <insomninja> I seem to have my own little dependency hell involving stuff around gcc of different versions, is there any fix?
[23:22] <thompa> there are some rather big bugs still, wireless and usb devices are broke
[23:22] <jin> gnome got some great improvement..  not no new eye candy that's noticeable
[23:22] <jin> savvas: I have no sound mixing
[23:22] <cyclonut> tahcX, screenshots are a little irrelevant, no?
[23:23] <savvas> jin: pulseaudio eh? can't help with that topic, sorry :)
[23:23] <jin> savvas: and when I click on Quit, gnome just hangs
[23:23] <cyclonut> aye, the only new eye candy is a better box for file operations
[23:23] <jin> and I have to use ctrl+shift+backspace to restart X
[23:24] <bbrazil> hmm, could someone on Hardy-Xubuntu do: Application->Settings->Settings Manager->Keyboard ?
[23:24] <jin> cyclonut: that's not a eyecandy :\
[23:25] <cyclonut> jin, meh, its a little prettier :-P
[23:25] <savvas> jin: try this: sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-power-manager gnome-session
[23:25] <jin> savvas: nah, I am going to do a reinstall soon.
[23:25] <savvas> ah ok
[23:26] <jin> trying t..
[23:26] <jin> :P
[23:26] <jin> but that won't fix my osund problem tho
[23:26] <jin> sound*
[23:26] <savvas> jin: it works in the live cd?
[23:27] <savvas> i mean when you boot into live cd mode, try play a file
[23:27] <jin> savvas: I am downloading the iso now :-)
[23:27] <savvas> oh
[23:27] <jin> I did a upgrade using update-manager btw
[23:28] <savvas> jin: well if it doesn't work in live mode, don't bother formatting, it probably won't be working then :\
[23:29] <jin> savvas: I am sure it will work ;)
[23:29] <TrioTorus> In Hardy, would there be a mechanism in place that allows me to open a file with gedit over a 'connect with server' ssh share? I can browse that resource, but in file dialog windows inside applications, I can't reach it. What is the recommended solution?
[23:29] <jin> but I will test it in live mode first
[23:29] <insomninja> could somebody have a look a this?: http://www.pastebin.org/25177
[23:31] <jin> gnomebaker
[23:32] <savvas> TrioTorus: that's already available after some alpha upgrades
[23:32] <savvas> isn't it?
[23:32] <TrioTorus> savvas: I'm running a completely updated version. Unless this changed a only hours ago.
[23:33] <jin> trioTorus, did you try sudo apt-get update first?
[23:33] <adinc> is there truecrypt for ubuntu?
[23:34] <savvas> TrioTorus: when you add a "connect to server" check the box "add a bookmark", i think that's what you need
[23:34] <jer132> Does anyone know if Sun Java will work out of the box in Firefox 3 upon final release of hardy?
[23:34] <jer132> Mean, not having to create symlinks?
[23:35] <insomninja> I'm going to try sudo apt-get -f install then
[23:35] <TrioTorus> savvas: I can see the bookmark in Nautilus allright. Just when trying to open a file from within Geanay, that bookmark isn't there.
[23:35] <savvas> jer132: probably, check for a bug report about that
[23:35] <savvas> TrioTorus: how about in gedit?
[23:36] <jer132> savvas: I have, but there's so many about this issue that I can't really find the right one.  The problem that I see is people are doing a workaround with symlinks.  But they'll break every time Java or Firefox upgrades...  eeeek!
[23:37] <savvas> TrioTorus: did you try to open the bookmark in nautilus, browse to your file, right click on the file and open it with the app you want? maybe that way it will work :)
[23:37] <savvas> jer132: sorry, i have amd64, so i don't even have java-enabled firefox :\
[23:38] <TrioTorus> savvas, it seems to work with gedit allright. If I wanted to report it to geany devs, would this have something to do with the new gvfs?
[23:38] <savvas> TrioTorus: no idea, choose geany as the package name in your bug report
[23:39] <TrioTorus> thanks for your time savvas.
[23:39] <savvas> anytime :)
[23:39] <adinc> hardy came with linux kernel 2.6.24-12, can i downgrade it to <IP_ADDRESS>? my wireless won't work with this kernel?
[23:39] <cyclonut> anyone else having trouble with conky crashing nautilus
[23:41] <cyclonut> adinc, broadcom card?
[23:41] <adinc> cyclonut: no a intel iwl3945 build in, in a notebook
[23:41] <adinc> cyclonut: do you know this device?
[23:41] <cyclonut> adinc, ah, nm then, there is an outstanding issue with SSB being forced in the newer kernel. It interferes with whatever proper driver is there
[23:42] <cyclonut> adinc, yeah, I do.... you might try rmmoding all your network modules, modprobe'ing your wireless module first, followed by your wired module
[23:42] <ethana2> adinc: you asked about truecrypt?
[23:42] <adinc> cyclonut: how you mean, i didn't understand SSB?
[23:42] <ethana2> ...they made it, and i filed a bug..
[23:42] <ethana2> so now it works
[23:42] <adinc> ethana2: yes
[23:42] <ethana2> here, just a sec
[23:43] <adinc> cyclonut: i did try this, i found a bug , moment
[23:43] <bbrazil> now here's a fun one - I can't manage to set my keyboard to uk
[23:43] <ethana2> Bug 197919
[23:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197919 in easycrypt "EasyCrypt.py crashed with KeyError in openCrypt()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197919
[23:43] <cyclonut> adinc, ssb is a wireless module that seems to stink.
[23:43] <bbrazil> setxkbmap can't find its files, and neither can xorg by the looks of things
[23:44] <adinc> cyclonut: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185470 this seems to describe my problem
[23:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[23:44] <adinc> ethana2: yes, but i've also a windows which encrypts with truecrypt, so it would be better to use truecrypt also on ubuntu, i don't know easycrypt
[23:45] <ethana2> compatible
[23:45] <cyclonut> adinc, i dont know, but perhaps you should chime in on the bug report?
[23:45] <ethana2> easycrypt is a gui for it that's simple
[23:46] <adinc> ethana2: ahh they are compatible?
[23:46] <tahcX> ikonia ?
[23:46] <adinc> cyclonut: i did file it there aswell
[23:46] <ethana2> adinc: of course
[23:46] <adinc> ethana2: i didin't know. if there aren't any problems and there is a ubuntu package, sure i will makeuse of it then
[23:47] <cyclonut> adinc, I'd just watch that bug report, and search the forums, to see if you get any luck
[23:47] <adinc> ethana2: ahh i see, easycrypt is a gui for truecrypt? but i would also need truecrypt for it, won't i
[23:47] <ethana2> adinc: you should just be able to install everything via repos
[23:47] <adinc> cyclonut: yes, but if i'm not wrong people are watching it for the last two month
[23:48] <cyclonut> ah
[23:48] <adinc> ethana2: which package do i need then? only easycrypt?
[23:48] <ethana2> adinc: yeah, it should install the other stuff automatically
[23:48] <adinc> cyclonut: and nothing changed in that bug report, i think this is an urgent issue but the importance for this is marked as medium
[23:49] <DG19075> any updates on Firefox 3 and Java?
[23:49] <cyclonut> adinc, dunno what tell ya, sorry
[23:49] <cyclonut> brb
[23:50] <adinc> ethana2: you are funny, easycrypt asks me to download truecrypt manually.
[23:50] <ethana2> oh
[23:50] <ethana2> i'm sorry
[23:51] <ethana2> i don't install anything if it's not in repos usually
[23:51] <ethana2> you see that bug?
[23:51] <ethana2> you may want to check version numbers
[23:51] <adinc> ethana2: but easycrypt is in the repo
[23:51] <ethana2> ...truecrypt should be too
[23:51] <adinc> well i couln't find
[23:51] <adinc> is it?
[23:52] <ethana2> i'll check
[23:52] <ethana2> worst case: we have to swing by #ubuntu-motu
[23:53] <adinc> ethana2: where did you get truecrypt 5.0 from? repository?
[23:53] <ethana2> hmmmmm
[23:53] <flipstar> why dont you use luks instead of truecrypt ?
[23:53] <ethana2> does luks work on windows?
[23:53] <flipstar> okay..
[23:53] <Flannel> info truecrypt doesn't seem to be.  Nor does easycrypt depend on it.  Definately bug/motu visit worthy
[23:54] <adinc> there is no package for truecrypt
[23:54] <sakura> hi ... recently i got updates to hardy heron ... network-manager was a packet to be updated
[23:55] <sakura> now, when i second click the network-manager, i cant disable the wi-fi (previous to the update i could)
[23:55] <ethana2> adinc: you wanna come back me up on #ubuntu-motu?
[23:55] <jimmygoon> I still can't connect to my FTP server from hardy but I can from windows :/
[23:55] <WillieDaPimp> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', which is also in package language-pack-gnome-en
[23:55] <sakura> i dont know if this is ok, only want to report that
[23:55] <adinc> ethana2: how you mean?
[23:55] <ethana2> just second my motion
[23:56] <WillieDaPimp> what should i do about that ^^
[23:56] <adinc> ethana2: i don't know ubuntu-motu, what is it
[23:56] <ethana2> #ubuntu-motu
[23:56] <adinc> irc?
[23:56] <ethana2> a channel
[23:56] <ethana2> yes
[23:56] <ethana2> just like this one
[23:56] <Milos_SD> Lirc update is broken :(
[23:56] <adinc> whats up there?
[23:56] <ethana2> the Masters of the Universe
[23:56] <ethana2> they handle stuff like this
[23:56] <adinc> ;)
[23:56] <adinc> if you ask that kind, why not
[23:57] <Milos_SD> !lirc
[23:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:57] <ethana2> adinc: a 'what ethana2 said' will do
[23:57] <ethana2> since you don't see the logs
[23:57] <ethana2> ..or i could pm it to you
[23:57] <poseidon> How do I set u the cube desktop?
[23:57] <ethana2> poseidon: do you have compiz config settings manager?
[23:59] <ethana2> poseidon: Apps -> Add
[23:59] <ethana2> find it and install it, then run it from System -> Prefs
[23:59] <ethana2> it has all those fancy options...  /all/ of them ;)