[02:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: 0/ .
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hello mate
[02:57] <OerHeks> Birds in the morning
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: hellow :p
[02:57] <OerHeks> hi Bashing-om lotuspsychje
[02:58] <Bashing-om> 'bout the end of my shift OerHeks , You been on long too .
[02:59]  * lotuspsychje is browsing http://www.dailyubuntu.com/ news
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks is a night-owl :p
[03:04] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ^^ nice little digest .
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> :p
[03:37] <Bashing-om> Calling it, yall take care .
[09:19] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening folks
[17:33] <daftykins> harro there o/
[17:33] <daftykins> how are we?
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hi mate, all fine here
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> you?
[17:34] <daftykins> yes thanks! still got a friend over from the US so been doing touristy things
[17:34] <daftykins> finally had a day off today though, i need it - sunburn from yesterday day tripping over to a smaller island :)
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> sounds cool
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> dont forget the local bars
[17:38] <daftykins> :)
[17:38] <daftykins> over on this other island the drinks are so much cheaper
[17:38] <daftykins> £5.30 for two pints, whilst a Guinness alone would cost me £3.90 over here
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> beer got expensive these days
[17:40] <daftykins> mmhmm
[17:50] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje, daftykins
[17:50] <daftykins> o/
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate
[17:50] <daftykins> how goes?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> good here , but rainy and cool ...staying inside today
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> sunny here
[17:51] <BluesKaj> gonna be sunny and 29C tomorrow...beer drinking weather
[17:54] <daftykins> haha that's hide indoors in somewhere with AC weather to me ;)
[18:02] <OerHeks> it is too hot to be funny
[18:03] <OerHeks> dog want's to play
[18:03] <OerHeks> but it is my turn on the internet now
[18:05] <daftykins> :>
[18:05] <BluesKaj> daftykins, we'll be sitting in the shade so it's bearable , and the A/C will be on in the house, that's a given.
[18:06] <daftykins> \o/
[18:06] <daftykins> weathers too mild at both ends of the 'spectrum' here for AC in homes to be common
[18:11] <OerHeks> If i open a small window on the shade side of my house too, the airflow will keep it human.
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/xubuntu-linux-is-being-used-to-teach-students-at-colegio-hispano-americano-in-puerto-rico-487132.shtml
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> nice projects around the globe
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[19:04] <Johnny_Linux> 1 info the moon is made of cheese
[19:04] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:06] <Johnny_Linux> whats shakin over there
[19:07] <Johnny_Linux> brb, telly
[19:20] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ how are you
[19:20] <EriC^^> great you?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> fine fine tnx mate
[19:23] <daftykins> wow that guy is complicating life, just buy a network printer in future 8D
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:24] <OerHeks> "not rebooted yet" .. zucht
[19:25] <daftykins> XD
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ cowsay -d duck MOO Daftykins
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[19:31] <daftykins> that's one confused cow :>
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:34] <OerHeks> greek cow?
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:36] <daftykins> i didn't see it asking for money
[19:36] <daftykins> ooooh topical and rude
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> IMF will sponsor $$$$$$$
[19:38] <OerHeks> haha greek PM sends mp oxi voters home, democraticly
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> democracy is a hoax!
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> we are all $$ slaves
[19:38] <BluesKaj> merkel isn't a fav with the greeks
[19:39] <OerHeks> EU national anthem 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[19:39] <OerHeks> sorry, you have it in your head next 24 hrs
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> roflol OerHeks
[19:40]  * lotuspsychje wished ubuntu had opensource social powers to change the world
[19:40] <OerHeks> Our PM promissed us 1000 euro's. he kept his promise, only it goes straight away to greece
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> no more greedy politcians, just sharing ppl
[19:41] <OerHeks> yeah, democraty is not about sharing at all.
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> did anyone vote for the EU ever???
[19:41] <OerHeks> sharing the bill, it is.
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> lol!
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> we are paying their salary
[19:42] <OerHeks> them miss from IMF does not pay any taxes.
[19:42] <OerHeks> that*
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> i never asked for a njew coin value...
[19:43] <OerHeks> monday payday, 3 more nights ..
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> the money system will collapse soon, youl see
[19:44] <BluesKaj> bitcoin or britcoin ?
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> back2 basics yeah BluesKaj bitcoin and local exchange trading system
[19:45] <BluesKaj> barter in goods and services
[19:45] <OerHeks> oh, bitcoin-taxes are ready
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah taxes, an invention for politics
[19:46] <BluesKaj> I'm still trying to figure out how bitcoin works...I'm a "bit" wary of that system
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: im in a LETS system and works very well
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: its sharing services/items over a virtual coin system
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> i bake a bread for you, you paint my wall
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> and we both get 60 LETS coins
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> to spend on other ppl
[19:47] <BluesKaj> LETS?
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_trading_system
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> we saved alot of money with this BluesKaj
[19:52] <BluesKaj> intersting, how does the system attach worth to certain goods or servcices , is there an agreement setup ?
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: the system is not bound to 2 users, but to all members
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> if i bake a bread for someone, i get 60 LETS and be able to spend the coins on every service/item from any member
[19:54] <BluesKaj> yes understood  but, how is value of bread or paint determined?
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> there's also a min/max value of -2500 and + 2500 coins
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> ah
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> yes, we agreed that 60 LETS is around 10 euro
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> and 1 hour work
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> but users can choose, how much value something is
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> if you think your bread is worth 120 LETS because you had lots of work..
[19:56] <BluesKaj> so they can bargain as well
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: sure, but the other guy has to approve it also of course
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: its a bit like trading
[19:56] <BluesKaj> well that's bargaining :-)
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> and its not like money
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> its still virtual right
[19:57]  * BluesKaj nods
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> if i fix an pc fomr someone, i ask 120 lets
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> but that didnt cost me nothing
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> but i can buy 2 breads with it
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> (example)
[19:58] <BluesKaj> the someons has to supply the parts then if needed
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> yeah the parts have to be bought of course
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> thats where members ask a bit more LETS for the supplys
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: its a good system, try to find your local LETS groups :p
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> our city has 350 members
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> and get daily emails with items and services
[20:00] <BluesKaj> even thought it was invented here in Canada, I've never heard of it
[20:00] <BluesKaj> though , rather
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: canada started with this indeed
[20:02] <BluesKaj> 'sounds like a hippie comune thing to me, British Columbia had lots of them even inn the 80's
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> trading is hot these days, has nothing do with flower power anymore
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> you see alternative systems everywhere in the world
[20:03] <BluesKaj> avoiding goods and services value added taxes our gov't imposed on us
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> lets bypasses the taxes, because its actualy trading
[20:04] <BluesKaj> our VAT in Canada aka GST
[20:05] <BluesKaj> tax on tax
[20:05] <BluesKaj> even o9ur electric bills have it
[20:06] <daftykins> :(
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> the working suck3rs we are...
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> trapped in a political debt system
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> good luck we have ubuntu, a free Os at least
[20:09] <BluesKaj> I'm retired on fixed income and my pensions aren't indexed to keep up with inflation, well not much anyway
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: enjoy your freedom, money comes on 2nd place :p
[20:13] <BluesKaj> I'm enjoying not having to go to work that's for sure :-)
[20:13] <BluesKaj> I have enough to keep me busy around the house
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> and leave the house too sometimes :p ?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:24] <BluesKaj> I still play in a rock/blues band , so i do get out of the house quite a lot
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> thats the spirit cowboy
[20:26] <BluesKaj> not exactly a cowboy but....
[20:26] <BluesKaj> ok , calling it a day ...laterz
[20:26] <Johnny_Linux> s k y n n a r d
[20:26] <Johnny_Linux> lol
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> nite nite
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> dont do what i wouldnt do Johnny_Linux


[00:35] <az7_> woo chat night!
[03:19] <krakrjak> chat night!!!
[03:20] <krakrjak> wasn't someone havin' some connectivity troubles?
[04:33] <az7_> yeah, earlier i think
[19:39] <Ahmuck> hello
[19:39] <kwadroke> hello, Ahmuck
[19:40] <Ahmuck> hi kwadroke
[19:40] <Ahmuck> got a irc question.  seems i re-set a channel and it is invite only, need to reset it to open
[19:41] <Ahmuck> kwadroke: ur in conway iirc
[19:41]  * Ahmuck is in clarksville
[19:41] <kwadroke> yeah, I am
[19:43] <kwadroke> try this: /MODE #channelname -i
[19:43] <kwadroke> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
[19:44] <kwadroke> http://forum.swiftirc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=282
[19:45] <Ahmuck> can you get to #hugin?
[19:47] <kwadroke> yep
[19:57] <kwadroke> did you see my reply?
[20:12] <Ahmuck> yep
[20:13] <kwadroke> cool
[20:13] <kwadroke> then you got it working
[20:13] <kwadroke> sounds like
[20:31] <Ahmuck> sí


[00:52] <SealV> good evening
[00:53] <SealV> anyone on?
[00:54] <_MMA_> SealV: Best to just ask. ;) I dont chat but Ill answer a question or two.
[00:55] <SealV> critique it then: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/sealx/rect5160.png?t=1231548577
[00:55] <SealV> pure svg :3 based on a cc image
[00:55] <_MMA_> SealV: Ahh... I like. I'd work at a 16:10 aspect though.
[00:56] <_MMA_> I could totally see something like this shipping.
[00:56] <SealV> ach.. right 1920 by 1200, right?
[00:56] <_MMA_> For Studio, I work @ 2560x1600.  I do have a 24" @1920x1200. They are more common. I just feel its better to go a little bigger. ;)
[01:01] <SealV> I have no idea how to change the ratio T_T, I will clean up the image and up it to the wiki
[01:04] <_MMA_> SealV: Just change the document size, change the background to same. Lock the bunny and scale to fit.
[01:04] <_MMA_> Its rather simple.
[01:05] <_MMA_> SealV: if you cant do it send it to me. I will.
[01:05] <SealV> I am having huge slowdowns when dealing with that big of an image, I will send it to you
[01:06] <_MMA_> Shouldn't matter. nodes ant things are the same.
[01:06] <_MMA_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:07] <_MMA_> *Rendering( it however might get taxing but you can always render smaller.
[01:07] <_MMA_> *Rendering*
[01:08] <SealV> so render small and then blow it up?
[01:09] <SealV> sent
[01:13] <SealV> editing wiki now.
[01:14] <_MMA_> k
[01:17] <_MMA_> SealV: I got it. Tinkering with it now.
[01:17] <SealV> yay
[01:20] <_MMA_> SealV: What kinda CPU are you running?  I figured it would show again for you.
[01:31] <SealV> yeah I am uploading the real file now
[01:32] <_MMA_> You know you can save those *in* the SVG right? Makes the file bigger. Might not be a big deal.
[01:32] <SealV> eh? how do I do that?
[01:32] <SealV> *fixed btw
[01:33] <_MMA_> Effects->Images->Embed all Images
[01:33] <_MMA_> That *might* only be in the -devel version though. :-/
[01:34] <SealV> :o nope its there. genius.
[01:34] <_MMA_> SealV: If you dont mind development builds: http://launchpad.net/~inkscape-nightly/+archive It will install along with the normal version.
[01:45] <SealV> another question: why isnt the eyeball not showing up when I open svg in image viewer?
[01:46] <_MMA_> SealV: I've seen odd things like that also. Different rendering lib?
[01:46] <SealV> quite possible.. the is dev version is pretty cool
[01:46] <SealV> *this
[01:47] <_MMA_> I've been using it for a while. I like being to make all the toolbars really small to give me screenspace.
[01:49] <SealV> text>svg fonts Hells yes
[03:16] <SealV> forums are down: can I subscribe to the ubuntu-art mailing list?
[03:20] <_MMA_> SealV: Always
[03:21] <SealV> thanks! and for your edit
[14:45] <SealV> still looking for critiques on Mr. Bun
[15:16] <kwwii> SealV: I was hoping to discuss that next week when I am in london (with mark)
[15:17] <SealV> :o k then will wait
[15:18] <Cimi> kwwii, new mockups?
[15:19] <SealV> @Cimi murrine svn is awesome
[15:19] <Cimi> kwwii, unfortunately I need to send the laptop for technical assistance... the lcd became purple yesterday
[15:19] <Cimi> thank you SealV


[04:18] <Skuggen> rafaeldtinoco: Oh lord. We've had test bugs like that before, too :D
[04:18] <rafaeldtinoco> Skuggen: lol
[04:18] <Skuggen> Thanks for looking into it!
[04:18] <rafaeldtinoco> it was written since 2007 =)
[04:19] <rafaeldtinoco> sure! , im investigating other bug and will propose a merge
[04:20] <Skuggen> Thanks. We've fixed bugs like that by setting the event to be something like now()+1day instead of a set date, though I don't remember the exact syntax
[04:20] <rafaeldtinoco> ah, yep its not in github yet
[04:20] <rafaeldtinoco> i made a delta to 2025 until 8.0.20 is released
[04:20] <rafaeldtinoco> i mean, not yet, made it locally to pass the test =)
[04:21] <rafaeldtinoco> just added you to the LP bug
[04:21] <Skuggen> Yeah, that's fine. We can add that as a patch in salsa, since it's just until it's fixed upstream, anyway
[06:11] <cpaelzer> a build taking 13h looks wrong
[06:12] <cpaelzer> even if it would have taken so long timeouts would have kicked in right?
[06:12] <cpaelzer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk/19.11-2ubuntu1/+build/18539704
[06:12] <cpaelzer> I could cancel and start again - but in the current state it might be debuggable ... ?
[06:14] <cpaelzer> the same in a ppa buid multiple times without that https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3881/+build/18538702
[06:34] <cpaelzer> can't find anything useful, restarting to get things moving again :-/
[06:40] <cpaelzer> hmm, cancelling this seems just as stuck as formerly completing it was ...
[06:53] <cpaelzer> still hanging on "cancelling build" after 20 minutes ...
[06:54] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: wgrant: Laney: anything comes to your mind to get this unstuck ^^ ?
[06:54] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: that might also be related to the autopkgtest you mentioned in #ubuntu-release
[08:23] <cpaelzer> fyi dpdk arm64 build still stuck at cancelling
[08:23] <cpaelzer> and as I'd assume withotu all builds it is not yet showing up in the new queue
[08:23] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ^^ FYI why things take a while ... sorry
[09:09] <jamespage> cpaelzer: np - I have a ceph resync/merge I'm working on until that's all cleared
[09:10] <jamespage> doko: once cpaelzer's DPDK uploads have cleared the new queue for focal I have a source project split openvswitch -> openvswitch + ovn to upload - would you have cycles to look at the new source package and binaries for ovn?
[10:07] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: don't cancel builds in that sort of situation please
[10:07] <cjwatson> if anything it makes things worse
[10:11] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: how should I have known that the cancel hangs as much as the build
[10:11] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: and as you see between starting to look at it (discuss here) and the cancel was about an hour
[10:12] <cpaelzer> so I wasn't trigger-happy on cancel, but I found nothing else that could help and was here in the wrong time where everyone else was still asleep :-)
[10:12] <cpaelzer> but I can clearly remember this particular case and not cancel it next time
[10:13] <cpaelzer> I see it was resolved now and became a correctly-cancelled build that I was able to retry
[10:13] <cpaelzer> lets see how it behaves this time
[10:14] <cpaelzer> ok, it was half an hour in IRC log - but also I looked at it before I asked here ... :-)
[10:22] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: if you see a "buildlog" link (not the build log tail, but literally a "buildlog" link), then the build has already completed on the builder side and cancelling it will do nothing useful
[10:22] <cjwatson> if you leave it alone then it will finish eventually (possibly via buildd-manager restarts).  if you cancel it then you might have to run the whole build again
[11:42] <tseliot> xnox, hi, any thoughts on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/1854985
[11:46] <doko> jamespage: ok, I'll try
[11:51] <jamespage> doko: thanks
[12:01] <seb128> vorlon, hey, so I'm unsure what to do about network-manager/i386, network-manager-config-connectivity-ubuntu (and -debian) which is arch all depends on network-manager, changing to be architecture any sounds wrong, wdyt?
[12:08] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: that hint with the buildlog is great, that seems like a clear "if A, then B" thanks!
[12:13] <doko> jbicha, seb128: pygtk2 removal ... please could you summarize what should be kept, and what still needs porting?
[12:14] <seb128> doko, I will have a look yes
[12:14] <doko> yes, was first a question for jbicha, he wasn't here yesterday
[12:17] <seb128> doko, I'm unsure he's having much time from Debian/Ubuntu nowadays...
[12:41] <doko> seb128: https://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2019/10/msg00001.html  do you know about that cocinelle status?
[12:42] <doko> any anything on that list in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=937452 which you want to keep/port?
[12:45] <seb128> doko, activity-log-manager might still be useful to the unity remix, unsure about the others
[12:48] <doko> that seems to be fixed already. run reverse-depends -l src:pygtk for a current list
[12:49] <doko> ogra: do you know if we still care about edu/sugar?
[12:57] <ogra> doko, no idea, but i gues not particulary ... also, there seems to be a sugarizer snap
[12:58] <doko> ok
[13:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: dpdk is ready in focal proposed, collectd built against it and ready for proposed as well
[13:18] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I saww ovs and ovn in the new queue and your ping to doko
[13:18] <cpaelzer> I'll come back to this checking proposed migration of all of these on monday then when tests ran
[13:21] <doko> seb128: so coccinelle has one rdep (caml-crush), which can be removed as well. remove?
[13:25] <seb128> doko, +1 from me
[13:28] <xnox> tseliot:  commented
[13:28] <tseliot> xnox, thanks
[14:10] <seb128> vorlon, I think your libsdl2 autopkgtest changes have a problem, it fails now with 'CMake Error: The source directory "/tmp/tmp.v3CMlzU4jv/build" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.'
[15:46] <vorlon> seb128: network-manager: arch-all packages that are uninstallable on i386 are fine, since we're not actually using it as a host arch and those deps will be satisfied by the amd64 version of the packages.  Only the binaries listed on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/focal_uninst.txt need excluding
[15:46] <xnox> doko:  heya, i think this will fix python test-suites with stronger openssl in both debian and ubuntu https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2fNYsDbGJM/ but i'm not sure how to test this best..... shall i just upload it into focal-proposed?
[15:46] <seb128> vorlon, k, it feels wrong but I can close my eyes if that's the decided way :)
[15:46] <xnox> doko:  or do you have a quicker way to re-run just the missing/skipped tests, which i'm now re-enabling?
[15:47] <vorlon> seb128: the reports don't complain, and it doesn't adversely impact users of amd64 hosts + i386 compat, it's fine ;)
[15:47] <seb128> alright!
[15:48] <vorlon> seb128: libsdl2: yeah I guess I should look into that further
[15:48] <xnox> seb128:  i have the same feelings, and my self-help answer is that "uninstallable arch;all packages should not be published into Packages_i386 but such is life, and fixing soyuz to do that is pain"
[15:48] <seb128> vorlon, I fixed the e-d-s build just as fyi
[15:52] <doko> xnox: please do
[15:52] <xnox> doko:  i thought of reruning just the autopkgtests locally with the build from focal-proposed first. As a mini-partial smoke test.
[15:52] <xnox> doko:  if any pass, will upload that into focal-proposed
[17:13] <xnox> doko:  i'm now running just the "failing-tests" autopkgtest, with just the subset of the blacklisted tests, which appear to have "progressed" all by themselves in debian. Even when openssl package is installed with evil openssl.cnf
[17:40] <bdmurray> seb128: is there somebody who can look at bug 1841646? It receives quite a lot of activity.
[17:53] <seb128> bdmurray, I will look thx for the ping
[18:01] <santa_> hi everybody
[18:04] <santa_> seb128 vorlon: I've seen above you mentioned something about network-manager, but I sill don't get why it doesn't migrate from -proposed. btw the version in -proposed fixes a bug I've been suffering with VPN passwords (it doesn't remember it with 1.20.4)
[18:05] <santa_> s/sill/still/
[18:06] <vorlon> santa_: because i386 is a partial arch, and some cleanup needs to happen at the source level to not build binaries that are now uninstallable on this arch
[18:06] <vorlon> (even though this is not a regression in -proposed vs the release pocket, proposed-migration doesn't calculate that and considers the uninstallability a blocker)
[18:07] <santa_> ah, I see network-manager is still being built for i386
[18:08] <santa_> vorlon: thanks for the explanation
[18:08] <santa_> and seb128 thanks for the new package
[18:09] <vorlon> yes, because nm builds libraries that are needed somewhere along the line on i386
[18:10] <santa_> aha, I guess building a limited set of packages for i386 leads to complicated situations
[20:04] <xnox> vorlon:  doko: it seems to me that the old gcc-9 in focal-proposed was busted, and like generates binaries that fail with SIGILL illegal instruction; and hence the compiler in focal-proposed/sid cannot build new gcc-9 either. The compiler in focal-release looks fine. Does it make sense to purge gcc-9 from -proposed, to reattempt rebuilding new gcc-9 with compiler from release?
[20:05] <xnox> i cannot tell if binutils or gcc-9 is at fault, cause had to revert both and couldn't revert just one of them.
[20:09] <doko> xnox: build log?
[20:09] <xnox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/460019735/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-arm64.gnutls28_<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:10] <xnox> i also have this build on an arm64 box too, which has everything from focal-proposed
[20:10] <xnox> and the fact that it builds fine in focal-release chroot
[20:10] <xnox> (also rebuild the gnutls28 from focal-release with focal-release & focal-proposed toolchains => fails with -proposed, rebuilds fine with -release)
[20:11] <xnox> doko:  and well, also gcc-9 is ftbfs in sid & focal-proposed too => but can't really tell why, xgcc fails?
[20:12]  * xnox tries to quickly rebuild focal-proposed gcc-9 in focal-release chroot
[20:14] <xnox> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gcc-9&arch=arm64&ver=9.2.1-23&stamp=1578668809&raw=0
[20:15] <doko> xnox: I'll look tomorrow. I see that only arm* is failing
[20:15] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-9/9.2.1-23ubuntu1/+build/18543838
[20:15] <xnox> doko:  yes, i am experiencing this on arm64
[20:15] <xnox> and i have baremetal arm64 instance up as well, if you want
[22:19] <seb128> pitti, python-dbusmock autopkgtests are unhappy on focal, maybe a glib 2.63 issue?
[22:19] <seb128> pitti<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19] <seb128> pitti, AttributeError: 'gi.repository.Gio' object has no attribute 'MemoryMonitor'


[14:50] <royal121> Hello Everyone! Where can I read about migrating to upstart from other init systems?
[14:54] <stgraber> xnox, jodh: I may be a couple of minutes late for the meeting
[15:15] <xnox> jodh: the fix is to write cookbook answer "if you need to depend on the sysv init starting, just add emit that event in the init script"
[15:15] <xnox> stgraber: ^
[15:15] <xnox> =))))
[15:15] <xnox> jodh: stgraber: i can hear you.
[15:16]  * xnox 's ISP is rated as the worst in the UK for latency (virgin media)
[22:51] <emacsen> I have a (hopefully) simple question. I want to write a daemon that detects when the network is active and only attempts to operate then. Is upstart the way to do that, and if so, what should I be looking for?
[22:55] <stgraber> we don't have any internet-is-ready even at this point (assuming you're using upstart on ubuntu), mostly because the definition of "internet" and "is-ready" depends quite a lot on what you're planning to do with it :)
[22:55] <stgraber> so you can your job depend on an interface being configured but can't reliably have it depend on the system having internet connectivity
[22:55] <stgraber> *can make
[22:56] <stgraber> if you just want to start it when the system is done configuring all defined network interfaces, you can have it start on "static-network-up"
[22:58] <emacsen> stgraber, okay. Thinking about what I want to do, I guess it doesn't matter much
[22:58] <emacsen> (I'm just thinking about an improved msmtpQ
[22:58] <emacsen> I can just do it with cron
[23:06] <stgraber> xnox: got initctl to work with UPSTART_SESSION, still have to debug why I'm seeing all entries twice (same thing when using --session), will do that tomorrow
[23:07] <stgraber> my current guess is that for some reason initctl queries both the session and system bus for the state, which is obviously quite wrong
[23:08] <stgraber> oh, and initctl apparently gets into an infinite loop when you try to start/stop a job that has a name matching that of a system job ;)
[23:08] <stgraber> (same bug, just worse symptom that what I first noticed)


[10:59] <minghua> nixternal: Adri2000 is right, never put a signed .changes anywhere public
[11:05] <shawarma> minghua: Wny not?
[11:05] <nixternal> ya, I want to know as well? the MOTU gods taught me that last year, unless something has changed since then
[11:06] <shawarma> Adri2000: ^^
[11:06] <nixternal> I don't have dput rights...so I can't do any evil..and if there is a MOTU who uses it to do evil, it is on them :)
[11:07] <nixternal> isn't like they can hide who uploaded it (dput)
[11:07] <ajmitch> nixternal: yes, it'll show as coming from you
[11:07] <shawarma> Everyone has dput rights. It's anonymous ftp upload. The signature on the changes file is what matters, actually.
[11:07] <nixternal> ajmitch: yes, but it also shows who uploaded it
[11:08] <ajmitch> as shawarma said..
[11:08] <shawarma> I still don't really see the problem in having a a signed .changes file lying around in a public place?
[11:08] <ajmitch> your name would be in the .changes file & on the signature, which would get ignored by anyone except revu
[11:09] <nixternal> OK, maybe it doesn't..I thought it did
[11:11] <shawarma> The signed .changes file gets sent to a public mailing lists anyhow?
[11:12] <Adri2000> shawarma: yes, but only once the package is uploaded, and once it is uploaded, you can still try to re-upload it with the signed .changes available on the ml, it will always get rejected because of the version
[11:13] <shawarma> Adri2000: Yes..
[11:13] <Adri2000> if the package hasn't been uploaded, and you put it somewhere with its signed .changes, anyone will be able to upload it, even if it was not mean to be uploaded
[11:13] <Adri2000> anyone = even a non-motu
[11:13] <shawarma> Adri2000: If I sign the .changes file, it's because I want to upload it. If someone wants to do it for me... Hey, it's their bandwidth!
[11:14] <Adri2000> and the upload will be signed by you...
[11:14] <nixternal> lol shawarma
[11:14] <shawarma> Adri2000: The .changes file contains checksums for the other files. It's not like someone can upload bad things in my name.
[11:15] <shawarma> nixternal: :)
[11:16] <Adri2000> of course, but if you ignore that, you may put somewhere a package which is not yet ready, and if there is the signed .changes, it's dangerous
[11:17] <shawarma> Sure, but to go from that to a "putting signed .changes in public places is evil" policy is a bit of a stretch IMO.
[11:17] <Adri2000> that's why you get a 403 forbidden on all the .changes file on REVU. so that a motu can upload to revu without being afraid that someone will upload a half-done package with his name on it
[11:17] <Adri2000> files*
[11:18] <shawarma> Yes, I suppose that makes some sense.
[11:20] <minghua> I don't have much to add to what Adri2000 already said
[11:21] <minghua> I think the point is you should only sign .changes when you really do an upload
[11:21] <minghua> you should always sign your .dsc though
[11:21] <gnomefreak> .changes and .dsc no?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:22] <Adri2000> both if you are going to upload. only .dsc if you are going to give the package to someone (so that he can't upload it, but he can be sure it comes from you)
[11:25] <nixternal> ScottK: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7731444/courier.debdiff
[11:52] <welshbyte> when's the next motu meeting?
[11:53] <crimsun> has it been decided?
[11:54] <crimsun> (just reattached, haven't read backscroll or email)
[11:55] <ajmitch> no
[11:55] <ajmitch> noone wants to propose a time
[11:55] <welshbyte> crimsun: i don't know, i assumed meetings were a regular thing
[11:55] <ajmitch> welshbyte: they are meant to be
[11:55] <ajmitch> should I just throw out a time on the mailing list?
[11:56] <welshbyte> but i guess if there's nothing to talk about, there's nothing to talk about :)
[11:56] <crimsun> yes.  Let's start with this Wed, Thurs, or Fri.
[11:56] <ScottK> nixternal: Where did the change in rfc2045/reformime.1 come from (patch fails to apply on that hunk BTW)?
[11:56] <ajmitch> oh, people have still to complain about
[11:56] <ScottK> Gotta run.  Be back later.  Told you courier was instructive....
[11:57] <geser> pick a time which fits you best as nobody has made an other proposal (yet) :)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> when a package say has build-dep libxxx without a version in control it uses the version installed shlibs defines that right?
[11:57] <nixternal> ScottK: it has always been there
[11:58] <nixternal> ScottK: you know what..it is LP breaking the debdiff
[11:58] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd guess it did.  That's the only hunk that fails.  Why is it in the debdiff at all?  There's no changelog entry to support it?
[11:59] <nixternal> -Hla!
[11:59] <nixternal> +H\['o] la!
[11:59] <nixternal> that is what it is supposed to be
[12:00] <nixternal> I think that is created because if you cat the file it gives you the funky ? character
[12:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[12:01] <gnomefreak> checking again for Mozilla nspr4 includes in /usr/include/mozilla/nspr... no   assuming this means it cant find the libnspr-dev package?
[12:01] <nixternal> once again...the Ubuntu file is different than the Debian one...I wonder if it has to do with the funky character
[12:03] <nixternal> it is the Ubuntu patch from MoM that is hosing it
[12:11] <crimsun> gnomefreak: it should be libnspr4-dev
[12:12] <crimsun> gnomefreak: (I presume you read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-May/023618.html ...)
[12:13] <jmg_> hey all
[12:13] <jmg_> what is that cool tool for determining what a binary's dependencies are?
[12:13] <crimsun> apt-cache depends is an easy but imprecise method
[12:13] <crimsun> objdump is the harder but precise method
[12:13] <jmg_> crimsun: not using the package manager


[05:35] <artnay> chrisccoulson: the FX bug doesn't occur anymore with your u2D updates. however, the launcher doesn't get drawn unless I press <super>
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> artnay, thanks for testing
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure about the launcher, but that sounds like a separate issue. i've not touched anything related to that :)
[10:01] <artnay> chrisccoulson: unity-2d-launcher was updated from your PPA, 5.12.0-0ubuntu2~test1
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> artnay, how do you recreate the issue in gnome-shell btw?
[15:20] <artnay> chrisccoulson: currently I can't since the whole gnome-shell is totally broken on this laptop and I'm away from home for some time. however, some people were running shell and having that same bug. if I had a working gnome-shell, I'd try "View source" method


[06:31] <mgalvin> anyone around?
[06:37] <LaserJock> kinda
[06:39] <mgalvin> hey LaserJock, i was just looking for another set of eyes to review UWN #5 before i send it out if you have tim
[06:39] <mgalvin> time
[06:43] <nixternal> if you don't LaserJock i can look at it
[06:44] <LaserJock> what's the URL?
[06:44] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5
[06:46] <mgalvin> i just finished some last minute tweaks so it should be mostly the finial version, i am just half asleep now and more eyes help :)
[06:46] <nixternal> 4 projects for the marketing team..but you won't see the 4th until it is done..and that is the wiki makeover ;)
[06:47] <mgalvin> :)
[06:47] <mgalvin> jenda wrote that bit anyway
[06:47] <nixternal> mgalvin: you will get an earload of jenda doesn't make it in there for making Ubuntu Member
[06:47] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:48] <nixternal> oh wow...cds and stickers and i haven't gotten mine yet...now i am really mad ;)
[06:49] <mgalvin> :) i know, i can't wait till mine get here
[06:50] <nixternal> where are you from mgalvin?
[06:51] <LaserJock> I got mine in Paris ;-)
[06:52] <nixternal> i just got word from 1, yes 1 person in the US, he got his Kubuntu stickers...the day shipit opened i put my stuff in..and i still haven't gotten anything...plus this guy is the first in the US that i know of
[06:53] <LaserJock> heh
[06:53] <nixternal> not stickers
[06:53] <nixternal> cd's
[06:53] <nixternal> and he said his didn't come with stickers
[06:55] <nixternal> cosmolax: those t-shirts are sweet!!!
[06:55] <Plug_> mgalvin: do you want random small grammatical edits, like inserting commas?
[06:55] <mgalvin> Plug_: sure, go for it
[06:56] <mgalvin> thanks for you help guys, let me know when your done son i can send it out
[06:56] <mgalvin> ug, i need sleep, u know what i mean
[06:57] <nixternal> i know what you mean
[06:57] <nixternal> i need ice cream
[06:57] <nixternal> ;)
[06:57] <Plug_> I perhaps wouldnt quote Mark on the artists appointments
[06:57] <Plug_> but rewrite it in a standard journalistic fashion
[06:59] <mgalvin> Plug_: you can if you want to do it quickly, i just stuck it there like that for now b/c its 1am (didn't have much free time this weekend)
[06:59] <Plug_> Sure.
[07:00] <mgalvin> sweet thanks
[07:00] <Plug_> When it reports "Status of sending notification mails:", has it actually emailled all those people about the change?
[07:00] <mgalvin> yes
[07:01] <mgalvin> it emails a diff
[07:02] <Plug_> must make for a fun mailbox for those guys. :)
[07:02] <Plug_> Finished the edits.
[07:04] <Plug_> Should someone be putting the UWNs on the fridge?
[07:05] <mgalvin> yea, i have to let them know
[07:05] <mgalvin> i am going to mail it to ubuntu-news for now
[07:05] <mgalvin> thanks guys
[07:05] <mgalvin> i am gonna send it out now
[07:07] <Plug_> no problem.
[07:33] <cosmolax> nixternal: thanks. :)
[09:29] <Madpilot> how can someone sign up @ LP and not provide a visible email address?
[10:01] <mdke> Madpilot: select "hide my email address" under "Personal Details"
[10:01] <mdke> morning everyone
[10:01] <Madpilot> mdke, ah, that would explain it
[10:02] <mdke> Madpilot: also, people who get added to launchpad automatically have hidden addresses by default I think
[10:02] <Madpilot> on w.u.c, TrevorPounds has been doing some stuff that really belongs over on huc/c/, and he's got no wiki page & no visible email addy in LP
[10:03] <mdke> how annoying
[10:03] <Madpilot> yeah
[10:03] <Madpilot> it's not bad work, but some of it is duplicating stuff that already exists, and it's all in the wrong wiki
[10:08] <mdke> god the main wiki is so slow still
[06:57] <froud> Some here may disagree on this point. But I think adding a link to a commercial   Ubuntu publication from the Help menu in a Free OS is not very tasteful and smacks of marketing and promotion. It's in bad taste if you ask me. Just my 2 cents.
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> I can see the reasoning for it, but I think I might agree with that one.  Might depend - is it being sold for cost or at a profit?
[06:59] <froud> tonyyarusso: It's the intent that strikes me as out of place
[07:00] <froud> Might I just add that I have great respect for the authors
[07:01] <mdke> I think it harms the help menu, but to be fair, it isn't a link to a commercial publication
[07:01] <mdke> it's a link to extracts which are provided in the default installation under a free licence
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> If they're saying, "hey, there's this other thing available, but it was expensive to make so we're charging to recover costs", I don't mind that.  But if it's "we put this thing together as a capital venture and then added a link to everyone's menu" it's not as cool.
[07:02] <froud> tonyyarusso: I think this opens the doors to a slippery slop where if one publication can do it, then so all must be afforded the same opportunity. In which case other books on Ubuntu Books must be afforded the same opportunity
[07:02] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Okay, that's true.  A bit of a technical point though it seems ultimately.
[07:02] <mdke> I don't think so
[07:03] <mdke> there's a big difference between providing free documentation with the operating system and advertising a commercial publication
[07:03] <froud> mdke it says "to purchase a copy visit http://....."
[07:03] <mdke> froud: there is nothing wrong with that dude
[07:03] <mdke> the reason for the inclusion was to promote books which are released under free licences
[07:03] <mdke> I definitely disagree with having it in the help menu
[07:04] <mdke> I think it confuses users
[07:04] <mdke> but I know for a fact that its inclusion wasn't based on commercial reasons
[07:04] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Okay, that helps some.  Do you have an alternative placement suggestion?  Installed at all, or just ubuntu.com, other?
[07:04] <froud> Hmmm, does that mean that I will be able t promote the ECDL/ICDL stuff we develop under free license and sell for a profit http://www.inwords.co.za/content/view/103/68/
[07:05] <mdke> froud: you can promote it, sure
[07:05] <froud> mdke: the idea to more info is good
[07:05] <froud> but I think it should point to a page on ubuntulinux.org
[07:05] <mdke> tonyyarusso: I think it should be simply in example content
[07:05] <froud> one where a collection of works can be dislayed
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> mdke: That sounds about right to me.  I'll second that.
[07:07] <froud> anyway, just thought I would mention it. As Isay, the idea is good, but should provide equal oportunity to equivalent works :-)
[07:09] <froud> mdke: is anyone working on docs for the menu editor?
[07:09] <mdke> i don't think there are any
[07:09] <mdke> there are certainly no Ubuntu books under a free licence that I am aware of, and no others which are both under a free licence and supported by Canonical
[07:10] <froud> mdke: is it only for Free works
[07:10] <froud> and only those supported by Canonical?
[07:10] <mdke> sure, that was a big reason for including it in the distribution
[07:11] <froud> So provided the license is free it is OK, the src does not have to be available
[07:12] <mdke> there is no rule about this
[07:12] <mdke> they just included the official book, that's it. They're not setting any precedents
[07:12] <froud> perhaps include http://www.linux-books.us/ubuntu_0002.php
[07:14] <froud> mdke: I think it should point to a list of ubuntu books, free or not
[07:14] <froud> for example http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-7912192-3174229?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=stripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=Ubuntu
[07:15] <froud> But I must say I love the idea of the help menu having various options
[07:15] <mdke> froud: ok, but that's not what it is there for.
[07:16] <mdke> I have to say I disagree about the help menu
[07:16] <mdke> the help menu having various options is good, but they shouldn't have more than one option of documentation, otherwise users get confused.
[07:16] <froud> mdke: thinking like a user now. Would I really care what it is there for. All I want is to get more information
[07:17] <mdke> yeah, and if you have three different places, as a user, how do you know which to try?
[07:17] <froud> mdke: I can't see it confusing people if the Online Help option points direct to the online ubuntu help
[07:17] <mdke> you'll see it if you think about my question
[07:17] <froud> mdke: Books on Ubuntu instead of eXCERPT FROM bOOK
[07:18] <froud> mdke: it's only my personal impression
[07:19] <froud> but I found the single menu just demonstrated that there are many help options available, inlcuding commercial and comunity support
[07:20] <froud> To me it was clear when I saw the options, only thing that I did not like was that the menu linked to and thereby promoted a single work
[07:20] <mdke> having different help options is certainly positive
[07:20] <froud> yes
[07:20] <mdke> but not more than one source of documentation. Two (online and system) is already too many
[07:21] <froud> mdke: I understand your thinking
[07:21] <froud> Online also depends on the person being online :-)
[07:22] <mdke> indeed
[07:23] <froud> So if a work is not supported by Canonical, it cannot feature in that menu?
[07:24] <mdke> well, everything in ubuntu is supported by Canonical
[07:24] <froud> We have plan to develop a measureup type of system for ECDL students that would integrate to that menu
[07:25] <mdke> Not sure what that is, but presumably it doesn't apply to default Ubuntu installs
[07:25] <mdke> some kind of derivative?
[07:25] <froud> It would be an addon package
[07:25] <froud> Test Yourself type of thing
[07:25] <froud> Question and Answers = Score at end
[07:26] <froud> Not part of default, as you say
[07:27] <mdke> sounds cool
[07:27] <mdke> not help though, surely
[07:28] <froud> No courseware is instructor lead, but training center will have MeasureUp installed on each sudent desktop and students can install MeasureUp at home since they will be given a copy of Ubuntu (free to install)
[07:29] <froud> Anyway, nough said, I must go back to writing
[07:29] <froud> Thanks for your input on that
[08:13] <robitaille> mdke,  you're an Ubuntu star now...people come to you with their specs :)
[08:17] <OHPhoneGuy> Can someone look at some documentation that I've came up with to give me some creative critism on making it better?
[08:18] <OHPhoneGuy> http://www.ianwilson.org/index.php/Ubuntu_Linux_Install_Guide


[05:13] <alkisg> tseliot, thank you very much, I filed LP #1463663 and assigned it to you, I'll be around here, ping me if a bzr branch with the patch is needed


[04:51] <jadarite> I have a D-Link DWL-132 USB wireless adapter.  It works fine in windows, but I would like to install it through edunbuntu.  Does anyone know how?
[14:05] <charlie-tca> Natty 64bit image is available today
[14:57] <stgraber> charlie-tca: doesn't it have the same aufs issue as yesterday's ubuntu images ?
[15:01] <charlie-tca> I am hoping cjwatson got the unionfs instead.
[15:01] <charlie-tca> I am still downloading here. about 4 hours left
[15:10] <shazzr> Hi. Have installed Edubuntu @ work, and trying to get a Smartboard to work. If I don't install the Smartboard driver, I can use the SB as a giant trackpad. The drag is that if I try to install them to get all of the goodies out of it, I can't use it at all. It works on win. Anyone with any experience in this field?
[15:37] <vmlintu> I've got Smartboards working on Ubuntu
[15:39] <vmlintu> shazzr: which Ubuntu version are you using?
[15:45] <shazzr> vmlintu: 10.10
[15:49] <vmlintu> shazzr: that's something I've never tried, only 8.04 and 10.04. 10.04 had quite a few problems when it came out and it took SmartTech several months to fix it
[15:58] <shazzr> vmlintu: Crap. I think I had it working on 10.04 actually....but you know...one allways want the latest and best. ;)
[16:01] <vmlintu> heh, that's how life goes.. ;)
[16:02] <shazzr> vmlintu: So I guess I have three options. 1) Downgrade to 10.04 2) Wait a couple of months, and hopefully....3) Switch back to Windows.
[16:02] <vmlintu> It seems like smart doesn't officially support 10.10 yet
[16:02] <vmlintu> http://smarttech.com/us/Support/Browse+Support/Download+Software/Software/SMART+Notebook+collaborative+learning+software/SMART+Notebook+software/SMART+Notebook+for+Linux
[16:07] <shazzr> How can you tell?


[20:27] <SlidingHorn> port spam bot was in and out - lady29 was the nick
[20:27] <SlidingHorn> (in #ubuntu)


[02:42] <bazhang> we really need a streetlamp factoid for all these +1 crossposters in #ubuntu/etc released channels
 i just found a major hole that gives shell access
[03:08] <bazhang> sounds like jimmybirer
[04:29] <roasted> hello!
[04:29] <roasted> bazhang: hi there
[04:29] <roasted> let's talk
[04:29] <bazhang> hi
[04:29] <roasted> hi
[04:29] <roasted> good to see you
[04:29] <bazhang> asking for dyndns support has zero to do with ubuntu support
[04:29] <roasted> why exactly is it illegal to discuss ddns issues within ubuntu in the #ubuntu channel
[04:30] <roasted> my ddns was not updating in ubuntu
[04:30] <bazhang> it's generic to all OSes
[04:30] <roasted> I was asking, why
[04:30] <roasted> but my issue in specific was pertaining to ubuntu in general
[04:30] <bazhang> thats a router issue, not Ubuntu
[04:30] <roasted> router?
[04:30] <roasted> its a package issue
[04:30] <roasted> its installed ON ubuntu
[04:30] <roasted> no router here bro
[04:30] <bazhang> roasted, when asked to take it to the chat room, then its a good idea to do so
[04:30] <roasted> http://www.no-ip.com/downloads.php?page=linux
[04:30] <roasted> bam
[04:31] <roasted> bazhang: when I'm in #ubuntu, I discuss Ubuntu issues.
[04:31] <roasted> I was discussing Ubuntu issues with DDNS with a package directly relating to, you guessed it, Ubuntu
[04:31] <bazhang> roasted, it's not specific to ubuntu as I said.
[04:31] <roasted> It's a package for Ubuntu.
[04:31] <roasted> What's not specific about that.
[04:31] <bazhang> they pulled the support for everyone
[04:31] <roasted> Is there a #no-ip-ubuntu-package channel?
[04:31] <roasted> should I go there?
[04:32] <roasted> create a channel and hope someone comes in to discuss my no-ip issue with ubuntu?
[04:32] <roasted> or hsould I discuss it in the most logical place remotely possible. i.e., #ubuntu
[04:32] <roasted> 2 and 2 is 4 here, bro. I was in the right place.
[04:33] <bazhang> roasted, come back when you wish to discuss removal of your ban
[04:33] <roasted> I'd actually like to discuss that immediately.
[04:33] <bazhang> roasted, arguing about it is not  the  way to go
[04:34] <roasted> bazhang: it seems as if you thought I was talking about a router based package, which is clearly what fueled my ban, when I was indeed discussing a package on Linux that was installed on my machine, namely Ubuntu.
[04:34] <roasted> I'm sorry there was some miscommunication there.
[04:34] <bazhang> no miscommunication
[04:35] <roasted> Agree to disagree.
[04:35] <bazhang> no
[04:35] <bazhang> you were asked to take the offtopic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic , simple.
[04:35] <roasted> So, what can be done in regard to this ban?
[04:36] <bazhang> come back when you wish to discuss it. there's no "agree to disagree" in this.
[04:36] <roasted> I'm here now, and I'd like to continue discussing it.
[04:36] <roasted> What can I do to get this removed?
[04:37] <bazhang> why were you banned in the first place roasted
[04:37] <roasted> I was banned for discussing DDNS services on my Linux box.
[04:39] <roasted> in the #ubuntu IRC channel, that is.
[04:40] <bazhang> no
[04:40] <bazhang> you were asked to take the offtopic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:40] <roasted> If that was by definition, off topic, so be it. That was the exact nature of the conversation, though.
[04:40] <roasted> Okay.
[04:40] <roasted> I was off topic by discussing DDNS services on my Ubuntu box in the #ubuntu channel.
[04:41] <bazhang> instead you responded that you would not be going there
[04:41] <bazhang> roasted, ok
[04:41] <bazhang> come back in 24 hours to discuss
[04:41] <roasted> Discuss, what?
[04:41] <bazhang> removal of your ban.
[04:41] <roasted> I'd like to take care of it now while we are both here and online.
[04:42] <bazhang> roasted, you still wish to argue about it. so thats not going to happen today.
[04:42] <roasted> I was off topic by discussing DDNS services on my Ubuntu box in the #ubuntu channel.
[04:42] <roasted> I admitted I was off topic.
[04:44] <roasted> Was that... not the point? To acknowledge where the issue was, take care of it, and move on from there?
[04:45] <bazhang> roasted, see you in 24 hours
[04:45] <roasted> I'm failing to see why we cannot take care of this now, bazhang
[04:46] <bazhang> roasted, there's no unban on demand.
[04:46] <roasted> I understand, but it doesn't mean we cannot discuss this now.
[04:46] <roasted> We're both here, online, speaking at this moment.
[04:46] <bazhang> roasted, not interested in arguing about this. please return in 24 hours, thanks.
[04:47] <roasted> Arguing? There is no argument. Just a discussion on the matter at hand.
[04:47] <bazhang> roasted, and I am asking you to return in 24 hours to discuss.
[04:48] <roasted> bazhang: I'm really failing to understand why this cannot be taken care of now. But, alas, perhaps we'll be in a better state of mind tomorrow.
[04:48] <bazhang> roasted, if thats too  soon then we can extend it
[04:48] <roasted> I'll see you then, my friend.
[04:48] <roasted> No need to further push anything. Enough damage done. We'll chat tomorrow. ;)
[04:48] <roasted> Hope you have a good night.
[04:52] <bazhang> roasted, please exit the channel as our discussion is finished
[04:52] <roasted> Have a good night, bro.
[04:52] <roasted> :)
[14:17] <bazhang> since when is choosing a different video driver a downgrade
[14:40] <bazhang> augh smallfoot-
 bazhang: I'm writing a bot! :P
[14:52] <bazhang> got him in PM; it does not talk he says
 emergency, I need help. a question of life and death, if not worse. I want to watch soccer tonight
[15:20] <bazhang> I thought soccer was worse
[15:42] <mneptok> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK-gUXl7usc
[15:59] <bazhang> * [monitortft] (57976144@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>): p57976144.dip.t-dialin.net/<IP_ADDRESS>   Lars?
[16:52] <Pici> woo
[16:53] <bazhang> oh yeah
[17:41] <Roasted> good afternoon
[17:42] <bazhang> hi
[17:42] <Roasted> hey there bazhang
[17:42] <Roasted> how's it going?
[17:42] <bazhang> good
[17:42] <Roasted> This a good time?
[17:48] <bazhang> Roasted, sure
[17:48] <Roasted> think we can continue the discussion?
[17:48] <bazhang> Roasted, lets be clear: if asked  to stop offtopic and chat in #ubuntu-offtopic , please do so
[17:48] <Roasted> You got it.
[17:49] <bazhang> ok
[17:53] <bazhang> Roasted, I removed the other hostmask ban, since you are cloaked, you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu regardless
[17:53] <Roasted> appreciate it
[17:54] <Roasted> Have a good one.
[17:54] <bazhang> thanks, you too


[08:36] <ricotz> tjaalton, hi :), could you take a look at this https://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/nouveau/nouveau-crash
[08:37] <tjaalton> regression?
[08:37] <ricotz> focal with libdrm 2.4.105-3~20.04.1
[08:37] <ricotz> not so sure
[08:38] <ricotz> it doesn't break the system completely, and the user is able to kind of continue using the system
[08:38] <ricotz> afaict it happens more often now
[08:39] <tjaalton> doubtful libdrm would cause that
[08:40] <ricotz> can this be caused by a user space application like firefox running in gnome-shell
[08:41] <ricotz> this is a GT218 with 512MB
[08:42] <tjaalton> I don't know much about nouveau
[08:43] <ricotz> could you use your resources to look for something similar?
[08:43] <tjaalton> not right now
[08:43] <ricotz> [ 1174.075283] refcount_t: underflow; use-after-free.
[08:43] <tjaalton> also, which resources? :)
[08:44] <tjaalton> we don't enable hw with nouveau
[08:44] <ricotz> I assume you know more places to look for ;-)
[08:44] <tjaalton> google?
[08:44] <ricotz> uptream bug report channels
[08:45] <tjaalton> or just ask on #nouveau?
[08:45] <tjaalton> on oftc
[08:45] <ricotz> ahh thanks, that sound like a good place
[11:02] <ricotz> tjaalton, this looks like it https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1425268/
[11:22] <tjaalton> ok
[11:25] <ricotz> tjaalton, would you mind forwarding this information to the kernel team?
[11:38] <tjaalton> anyone can send patches to the list
[11:38] <tjaalton> just needs an sru bug first
[11:40] <tjaalton> too bad it wasn't forwarded to stable@