[12:00] <Lee__>  /ignore Mez
[12:00] <Mez> fine... I just want to be able to use my TV card with it
[12:00] <Mez> thats all
[12:00] <Mez> :'(
[12:00] <Vjaz> With GCC?
[12:01] <Mez> well - seeing as xawtv isnt a package, then i need to download and compile it
[12:01] <mdke> does anyone use mondo?
[12:01] <mdke> someone must do
[12:01] <mdke> pls people!!
[12:01] <mdke> >_>
[12:02] <Vjaz> Mez: xawtv is available via apt-get
[12:02] <Odin2347> which ubuntu livecd should i use
[12:02] <Mez> isnt for me
[12:02] <mdke> Odin2347, what computer do you have?
[12:02] <Odin2347> AMD
[12:02] <Vjaz> Mez: You need to enable the Universe repository. Read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:02] <Odin2347> XP
[12:02] <Odin2347> 3000+
[12:02] <Odin2347> gig of dual channel RAM..
[12:02] <mdke> i'm rubbish at hardware
[12:03] <mdke> is that 32bit?
[12:03] <Odin2347> yes
[12:03] <mdke> then the x86 cd should do the trick
[12:03] <homss> hello
[12:03] <Odin2347> uea but there's warty and 4.10 and jiggity..
[12:03] <mdke> hi
[12:03] <Odin2347> yea*
[12:03] <Feiten> Hi
[12:03] <Odin2347> hi
[12:03] <mdke> Odin2347, oh
[12:03] <sacha__> and hoary
[12:03] <mdke> Odin2347, warty = 4.10
[12:04] <mdke> ignore the other one
[12:04] <homss> hi
[12:04] <Odin2347> which should i use?
[12:04] <mdke> Odin2347, what page you looking at?
[12:04] <homss> 5.04
[12:04] <Mez> thanks Vjaz
[12:04] <Mez> this is gonna take ages now I bet ;)
[12:05] <Odin2347> http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/
[12:05] <sacha__> ages for what?
[12:05] <Mez> to do an update frm the universe :D
[12:05] <ctd_> I've done a fresh install of warty-ppc to hoary-ppc, and suddenly a whole load of gnome-ish icons have dissapeared.. is this known, is an extra package needed to be installed or what?
[12:05] <Mez> or not so it szeems
[12:05] <mdke> hmm
[12:05] <sacha__> took about 5 mins for me - just updated 62 packages
[12:05] <sacha__> 210kB/s
[12:06] <mdke> Odin2347, i'm not sure if there is a difference between the warty and the 4.10 directories. There certainly shouldn't be, so you can try either
[12:06] <Odin2347> ok
[12:06] <Odin2347> thanks
[12:06] <Mez> ok that was freaky
[12:06] <mdke> the filenames are the same
[12:06] <sacha__> lol - waste of space
[12:06] <Mez> I got an inverted screen
[12:06] <Odin2347> hmm
[12:06] <sacha__> nice mez - how'd you get that?
[12:06] <Odin2347> when i click to download i just get a page full of jibberish
[12:07] <Mez> runnign xawtv
[12:07] <sacha__> oh
[12:07] <mdke> Odin2347, right click and save
[12:07] <mdke> Odin2347, you opened it as text
[12:08] <Mez> it does it when i tery and select it
[12:08] <Mez> weird
[12:08] <mdke> Odin2347, to confirm, get warty-release-install-i386.iso
[12:08] <Odin2347> thanks
[12:09] <Odin2347> uh
[12:09] <Odin2347> when i right click the link i dont see any "save"
[12:09] <Odin2347> (im using firefox)
[12:10] <sacha__> use iexplorer
[12:10] <sacha__> lol
[12:10] <mdke> Odin2347, "save link as"
[12:10] <Mez> hmmm
[12:10] <Mez> cant get audio from xawtv
[12:10] <Mez> any idea why?
[12:10] <Mez> ah nvm i know why
[12:10] <mdke> Mez, you just installed it now
[12:10] <Odin2347> hmm
[12:10] <mdke> give yourself some time
[12:10] <mijenix> everytime when my fresh umbuntu starts it says that a XFree Error occurs! Why that?
[12:10] <Odin2347> [   ]  warty-release-live-i386.iso
[12:11] <Odin2347> is that the live cd
[12:11] <sacha__> have you connected the audio port from tv card to sound card?
[12:11] <Odin2347> ugh now i get " the link could not be saved"
[12:11] <Mez> yeah i just isntalled xawtv
[12:12] <Mez> havng problems getting sound though
[12:12] <mdke> Odin2347, sorry yes that's the file you want
[12:12] <mdke> Odin2347, no idea why it doesn't work, it works ok from here
[12:12] <Mez> The sound should come as an input from my Tv crad to my soundcard line in
[12:12] <Mez> but i cant hear it
[12:12] <sacha__> too bad my tv card is in other comp or i'd test it
[12:13] <sacha__> btw the dictionary - it couldn't find the word - Verisimilitudinous :(
[12:14] <Mez> nvm it wsa muted i just downloaded gnome-alsamixer and unmuted it
[12:14] <Mez> now..
[12:14] <sacha__> lol
[12:14] <drr-away> The quality or state of being verisimilar; the appearance of
[12:14] <drr-away>    truth; probability; likelihood.
[12:14] <drr-away> :p
[12:14] <apokryphos> %dict Verisimilitudinous
[12:14] <Pyre> apokryphos: Couldn't find an entry in the dictionary for 'Verisimilitudinous'
[12:14] <Mez> It's justa  lil weird that it inverts the colour of the rest of the screen
[12:15] <sacha__> yes drr-away my dictionary doesn't find it
[12:15] <apokryphos> yup, failure.
[12:15] <drr-away> nix the inous
[12:15] <sacha__> btw drr-away that's not it, that's verisimilitude
[12:15] <drr-away> right, but you can figure it out from that --
[12:15] <sacha__> naa
[12:16] <drr-away> something like "having verisimilitude :)
[12:16] <sacha__> it has famous, so it should have that
[12:18] <sacha__> application gnome-nettool has quit unexpectantly..
[12:18] <mdke> does anyone use mondo?
[12:19] <alz> hello to all does anyone know something about gnomemeeting ?
[12:20] <sacha__> my nettools crashed on port scan
[12:20] <Mez> does ubuntu use debian packages?
[12:20] <jdub> Mez: rebuilt for ubuntu, yes
[12:20] <Mez> so i couldnt use a general debian package with ubuntu?
[12:20] <Mez> cause well - xawtv package for ubuntu doesnt seem to comewith motv
[12:20] <Mez> and no motv package :(
[12:21] <sacha__> compile from source :)
[12:21] <jdub> Mez: see if it's in universe
[12:22] <Mez> how do i do that?
[12:22] <mdke> hi jdub
[12:22] <mdke> do you use mondo-rescue?
[12:23] <jdub> no
[12:23] <sacha__> where did you get xawtv from?
[12:23] <jdub> Mez: enable universe in synaptic, update, search for the package
[12:23] <Mez> apt-get install xawtv
[12:24] <Mez> I think universe is enabled
[12:24] <zyme> how do i see what services are running?
[12:24] <sacha__> oh ok it says it can't find xawtv
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, not easily i believe
[12:25] <Mez> it installs xawtv for me
[12:25] <Mez> but not the full package
[12:25] <Mez> only installs xawtv not radio etcv etc
[12:25] <zyme> there isnt like a ctrl+alt+delete type thing?
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, yes there is
[12:25] <sacha__> Couldn't find package xawtv
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, applications->system tools->system monitor
[12:26] <zyme> ahh cool
[12:26] <zyme> thanks
[12:27] <zyme> wow theres a shitload of them
[12:27] <Mez> aha
[12:27] <mdke> lol
[12:27] <mdke> yep
[12:27] <Mez> xawtv-tools
[12:27] <mdke> zyme, don't be scared tho
[12:27] <mdke> zyme, they are not actually using that much memory
[12:27] <zyme> thats good
[12:27] <sacha__> sleeping
[12:27] <sacha__> Couldn't find package xawtv-tools
[12:29] <zyme> haha i love the used swap
[12:29] <zyme> 256k of 957 mb
[12:29] <sacha__> mine is 0
[12:29] <mdke> yeah swap isn't used much normally
[12:30] <zyme> how do i make samba run
[12:30] <zyme> i installed it with apt-get install samba but i dont think it is doing anything
[12:31] <mdke> zyme, server or client?
[12:31] <zyme> client i think
[12:31] <mdke> install smbfs
[12:32] <zyme> i did that too
[12:32] <mdke> and follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountnetworkfolder
[12:32] <mdke> zyme, that site is very good for anything
[12:32] <sacha__> where's the conf file?
[12:32] <mdke> ?
[12:33] <zyme> ok
[12:33] <sacha__> wrong chat
[12:33] <mdke> lol
[12:33] <zyme> i dont really want to do that stuff though, i just want to be able to connect to other computers running windows on my dorm network
[12:33] <mdke> oh
[12:34] <mdke> you've put in the domain in your network settings?
[12:34] <JDahl> zyme, I think you need to add samba users with smbpasswd -a and -e...
[12:34] <heyodee> hi guys
[12:35] <mdke> JDahl, he just wants to browse the network
[12:35] <heyodee> does anyone have ubuntu running on a thinkpad t30
[12:35] <zyme> mdke: yeah i think
[12:35] <Mez> ooh console tv
[12:35] <mdke> zyme, what happens when you try and browse the network?
[12:35] <zyme> im not really trying to browse the network either
[12:35] <zyme> im trying to connect to a dc hub with a local address
[12:36] <zyme> which is thorugh the dorm network
[12:36] <zyme> absolutely nothing happens when i ping it or try to connect
[12:36] <zyme> it doesnt even say it cant resolve it; it just does nothing
[12:36] <mdke> i don't know what a dc hub is tbh
[12:36] <zyme> thats ok
[12:36] <zyme> there is a link i am supposed to click
[12:37] <mdke> i can't browse my network here either actually
[12:37] <mdke> but i can mount remote drives ok
[12:37] <zyme> its like http://10.0.###/whatsmyip.php that my school has to tell me my private and public ips that doesnt work
[12:38] <sacha__> oh eya that reminds me
[12:38] <P3L|C4N0> Greetings, a consultation;  source.list for AMD64 ?
[12:38] <sacha__> i have my client connecting to server through socks but it never finds it - i dunno why
[12:39] <sacha__> i know it has to do with .sin_addr.s_addr
[12:39] <ziggity> Help PlEeesseee
[12:40] <sacha__> my server has it as INADDR_ANY (to listen for) and my client has the servers ip
[12:40] <ziggity> I can't seem to get Synaptic package manager to run from the window??
[12:40] <ziggity> how do OI do it from terminal?? also is there a repair system command????
[12:41] <sacha__> what's an easy way to find out the servers ip in my program if the servers ip keeps changing (which i think is the reason)
[12:41] <sacha__> and i have no static ips to relay the new ip to me
[12:42] <ziggity> also how do I install the Jre ( java runtime ) I want to play java games
[12:43] <sacha__> java.sun.com ?
[12:43] <ziggity> how do I use webmin?
[12:43] <JDahl> ziggity, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:44] <sacha__> someone here must use sockets..
[12:45] <sacha__> hmm
[12:45] <sacha__> well back to windows
[12:45] <Quest-Master> Some people give up so easily.
[12:45] <zyme> how do i stop pinging when i type ping #### in the terminal
[12:45] <Quest-Master> :\
[12:45] <Hammerattack> lol
[12:46] <mcphail> Quest-Master: ctrl-c
[12:46] <zyme> kickass
[12:46] <zyme> is that how i close man pages
[12:46] <zyme> nevermind
[12:46] <Quest-Master> mcphail: ?
[12:46] <Hammerattack> It generally works for everything.
[12:46] <zyme> no, it isnt
[12:46] <mcphail> Quest-Master: sorry meant for zyme
[12:46] <zyme> how do i get back to the prompt when i type man cp
[12:46] <Quest-Master> Ok
[12:47] <streetbmx> hi
[12:47] <zyme> it just says end at the bottom
[12:47] <Hammerattack> Okay, I don't know if any Ubuntu devs are in here, but I just wanted to gush and say thank you for a well built, polished, and easy to use distro.
[12:47] <mcphail> zyme: press q
[12:48] <zyme> huzzah
[12:48] <zyme> that helps more than you can ever know
[12:48] <Hammerattack> I switched from Mandrake 10.1 Community a few days ago. Everything *just works* now. I've built half a dozen apps that wouldn't work at all under Mandrake.
[12:49] <Quest-Master> I used Mandrake for 5 minutes and decided it wasn't for me during my "quest to find the righteous distro."
[12:49] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:49] <zyme> if somebody asks me what os i am using, what do i say
[12:49] <Hammerattack> Ubuntu.  They're cheap enough to rip, and people think they're neat.
[12:51] <monoxide> hmmm... i seem to have fixed my sound problems...
[12:51] <Quest-Master> #debian is.. not a friendly community, to say the least
[12:51] <Hammerattack> If it's someone who hasn't a clue what linux is, well... you'll just have to sit those people down and shatter their worldview.
[12:51] <monoxide> by simply turning off the sound server from automatically starting up...
[12:51] <thoreauputic> zyme: just say "ubuntu Linux" (or Ubuntu GNU/Linux if you want to be pedantic )
[12:51] <zyme> ok
[12:51] <zyme> i will be pedantic
[12:52] <Quest-Master> They're like, out there to kill any users of distributions based off Debian but not Debian
[12:52] <Hammerattack> pedantism rocks.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> zyme: ;-)
[12:52] <streetbmx> does anyone know about fixing the trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd' problem while installing apache-utils
[12:52] <mcphail> Quest-Master: any time I've strayed onto #debian they've been quite friendly (and curious)
[12:53] <mdke> lol
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Oh really?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: not really - some of them have some maturity and ego issues, it's true
[12:53] <abelli> thoreauputic: >
[12:53] <abelli> >
[12:53] <mdke> i'm sure loads of em have tried ubuntu
[12:53] <abelli> thoreauputic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:54] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: lurking in #debian is very educational - some of the guys in there are real experts
[12:54] <zyme> i would just shit my pants with delight if i could figure out this whole dorm networking thing
[12:54] <Mez> nettworking =easy
[12:54] <ions> anyone here get an mp3 player to succesfully work with ubuntu?
[12:54] <mdke> lol
[12:55] <mdke> yes
[12:55] <ions> what kind?
[12:55] <zyme> i dont even know how to do anything beyond basic networking in windows
[12:55] <bebek> hello
[12:55] <Mez> yes ions
[12:55] <ions> what kind?
[12:55] <Mez> xmms
[12:55] <mdke> ions i use rhythmbox
[12:55] <ions> oh
[12:55] <ions> no
[12:55] <ions> I mean portable
[12:55] <ions> iRiver
[12:55] <Mez> oh.
[12:55] <mdke> oh
[12:55] <ions> etc
[12:55] <mdke> i use an ipod
[12:55] <Mez> then yeah.
[12:55] <Mez> lol
[12:55] <Mez> just any one that works liek a USB stick should work with it
[12:56] <Mez> I dunno if my Zen Micro'll work though
[12:56] <ions> I have an iRiver iFp-790 that isn't working
[12:56] <zyme> rythm box is really good
[12:56] <zyme> its kind of like foobar
[12:56] <P3L|C4N0> help me please!! news source.list for AMD64
[12:56] <mdke> is /etc/hotplug/blacklist overwritten by updates plskthx?
[12:56] <ions> dmesg says usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using address 7
[12:56] <ions> but nothing else happens
[12:56] <mdke> zyme, it is great huh
[12:56] <zyme> indeed
[12:56] <zyme> foobar is better, but oh well
[12:56] <mdke> ipod support now
[12:57] <akira> god i cant even get my dvd drives working?
[12:57] <bebek> my gnome always reported "No volume control elements and/or devices found" on every start up. As a result, the volume control panel doesn't load up. Well, to enable the sound i have to do "modprobe opl3sa2" on every startup. This will enable the sound. Running the sound applet again, however, reports the same error message. I need a way to increase the sound volume.... any suggestion? by the way, opl3sa2 is an oss module...
[12:57] <ions> so you guys don't know?
[12:57] <akira> hey anyone know what to use to burn a dvd iso?
[12:57] <JDahl> zyme, I have router sharing cable internet between my Ubuntu box and an XP laptop.. I installed samba with apt-get, created a user with smbpasswd -a, -e and after that I can browse the Windows shared folders without problems (and other way around)
[12:57] <neighborlee> im not finding 'msdos' in apt..any idea where I get an app to format thumb drives for linux ? ( google isn't funding much )
[12:57] <akira> use fdisk
[12:58] <Hammerattack> ooh, I haven't set up samba yet.
[12:58] <akira> and mkfs.fat
[12:58] <akira> i mean
[12:58] <akira> mkfs.vfat
[12:58] <zyme> jdahl: oh
[12:58] <zyme> heh
[12:59] <Dr_Acemaster> what dir should I install a screensaver to?
[01:00] <akira> bebek - try adding opl3sa2 to your /etc/modules file
[01:01] <zyme> wow my music player has been loading songs for like 3 hours
[01:01] <neighborlee> akira, k thx
[01:01] <drr-away> ions: my crappy creative muvo2 works pretty well
[01:01] <drr-away> out-of-box since it's a USB drive
[01:02] <akira> zyme - are you using rhymebox?
[01:02] <ions> I think I found something on it
[01:02] <zyme> yeah
[01:02] <drr-away> cheap if you get the "stripped" ones off ebay and stick a leftover CF card in
[01:02] <zyme> i told it to add about 28 gigs of mp3s though
[01:02] <zyme> that might be why
[01:02] <monoxide> ok, my sound is working now, but xmms still wont load properly...
[01:02] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas?
[01:02] <akira> are you getting errors?
[01:03] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ xmms
[01:03] <monoxide> Segmentation fault
[01:03] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[01:03] <mdke> who knows how to change the rate of my wifi card in ubuntu?
[01:03] <drr-away> can you run it under gdb to get an idea of where it fails. also strace -o tracefile.txt xmms might yield some clues.
[01:04] <akira> do you have a nvidia card?
[01:04] <mcphail> mdke: man iwconfig
[01:04] <akira> because you have to install some mikmod lib or something
[01:04] <monoxide> why does everyone ask if i a nvidea card? yes i do
[01:04] <akira> you need some libary for xmms to work
[01:04] <mdke> mcphail, i know how that works, but how can i change it when ubuntu starts it automatically?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> libmikmod2 IIRC
[01:05] <akira> thats it
[01:05] <monoxide> really?
[01:05] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, iwconfig wlan0 rate #M
[01:05] <monoxide> does anyone know what its called?
[01:05] <akira> yeah just do a apt-get install libmikmod2
[01:05] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, it will remember that for future times?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> monoxide: see above
[01:05] <monoxide> libmikmod2 is already the newest version.
[01:05] <thoreauputic> OK well that rules that one out :(
[01:06] <drr-away> have you tried beep-media-player instead?
[01:06] <Dr_Acemaster> what's the command to create the db file for locate before you use it for the first time?
[01:06] <akira> ugh
[01:06] <mcphail> mdke: i've found wifi and linux to be a difficult combination. My current setup isn't working.
[01:06] <drr-away> gtk2 based
[01:06] <drr-away> but similar
[01:06] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, edit file interfaces
[01:06] <mcphail> mdke: should be simple enough to do a cron job
[01:06] <akira> has anyone tried k3b?
[01:06] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, ok that's what I was thinking
[01:06] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: sudo updatedb
[01:06] <drr-away> BTW: no segfault, even without libmikmod2 here
[01:06] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, is there a man page for that file, i'm not familiar  with it
[01:06] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, add line rate #M
[01:06] <MaxeyPad> My usb mouse gimped up, I was wondering how I could restart my mouse without leaving X.  or rescan usb for that matter
[01:06] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, ok that seems easy
[01:06] <Tufek> hi everyone...i have Ubuntu 4.10 Warty , can i install with kernel 2.4.x kernel ?
[01:07] <monoxide> any other ideas?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Tufek: whatever for?
[01:07] <mcphail> mdke: think I got the wrong idea from your question ... sorry
[01:07] <mdke> mcphail, maybe
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Tufek: take advantage of all the improvements in 2.6.*
[01:07] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, add line wireless_rate #M
[01:07] <monoxide> drr-away, apparently only on nvidea graphics cards...
[01:08] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, thanks very much
[01:08] <drr-away> monoxide: that is highly odd :) but, ok.
[01:08] <akira> so noone has ever used k3b?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> akira: sure
[01:08] <Dr_Acemaster> thoreauputic: I get "warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory"
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: it only says that the first time you run it ;)
[01:09] <akira> does it burn isos?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> it has to create that file
[01:09] <Tufek> thoreauputic, i know but when i install with 2.6.* my system clock always change why i dont know ( bur install on the vmware :)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> akira: of course
[01:10] <monoxide> beep media player seems to work and its based on xmms...
[01:10] <mcphail> akira: nautilus will burn isos as well
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Tufek: probably the hardware clock isn't set to GMT (windows issue?)
[01:10] <Dr_Acemaster> thoreauputic: it says that if I try locate, or even the command you told me "sudo updatedb"
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: as I said, it only says it the first time you run updatedb - let it finish - it takes a while
[01:11] <gumpish> Dur, how do I upgrade to Hoary? I imagine I need to change my sources.list file - and then just run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:11] <Tufek> thoreauputic, no i check it is GMT
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: it has to trawl through your whole hard  drive : that can take several minutes
[01:12] <akira> thoreauputic: Nautilus doesn't let me burn anything, but i can burn using cdrecord, so do you think this would work for burning dvd iso images? cdrecord doesn't handle it.
[01:12] <Tufek> thoreauputic, ok thanks anyway :)) bye
[01:12] <thoreauputic> akira: I don't know - I don't have a DVD
[01:12] <akira> i can't mount blank media in naulitus
[01:12] <mcphail> akira: you can't mount blank disks
[01:13] <akira> mcphail: yeah, it nautilus wont auotmount anything
[01:13] <mcphail> akira: blank media can never be mounted. No filesystem.
[01:13] <akira> mcphail: I have to mount manually, through nautilus.
[01:13] <mseney> anyone ever try using sound juicer and then have it exit just after you press "extract"?
[01:14] <mcphail> akira: what happens when you type nautilus burn:///
[01:14] <akira> then when i want to burn an iso, how come it keeps asking for a dvd/cd?
[01:14] <monoxide> an strace for xmms is at http://openoxide.net/xmms.txt if anyone cares to look
[01:14] <akira> it does this is i want to burn anything
[01:14] <gumpish> whoops. forgot to run apt-get update. No wonder there was only one new package available..
[01:14] <thoreauputic> mseney: try running sound-juicer from a terminal and see if it spits out any errors
[01:15] <mseney> thoreauputic, k brb
[01:15] <cicak> hello
[01:15] <cicak> if i run modprobe opl3sa2 to enable my sound card, which device is the mixer? since every mixer software seems to look in /dev/mixer and failed me
[01:16] <crimsun> cicak: do you mean modprobe snd-opl3sa2 ?
[01:16] <cicak> nope
[01:16] <mcphail> akira: I had some problems burning cd images until i tried dpkg-reconfigure -a (i can't remember exact syntax). Sorted out some simlinks etc
[01:16] <cicak> modprobe opl3sa2
[01:16] <cicak> it's an oss
[01:16] <crimsun> cicak: that's oss/free, so it'd be /dev/mixer. Make sure you 1) truly want that, then 2) it's loaded, then 3) the dev node exists.
[01:16] <akira> alright ill try it out
[01:16] <mseney> thoreauputic, seg fault.
[01:17] <cicak> crimsun: how do i make the /dev/mixer ?
[01:17] <cicak> crimsun: apparently it's not there
[01:17] <cicak> oh
[01:17] <cicak> it's there
[01:17] <mseney> thoreauputic, also when it first loads it gives an error "The currently selected audio profile is not available"
[01:17] <cicak> sorry
[01:17] <monoxide> mseney, i get the same problems with xmms
[01:18] <crimsun> monoxide: are you running current hoary, and is xmms set to use esd for output?
[01:18] <monoxide> did anyone look at the strace i posted?
[01:18] <crimsun> monoxide: yes.
[01:18] <tfh> Hello, I'm running hoary and I find firefox and thunderbird to be nearly unusable due to some random crashes and freezes, anyone has problems with these packages ?
[01:18] <crimsun> tfh: not here. Are only those two applications crashing?
[01:19] <monoxide> crimsun, i am running currnt hoary, and no idea what its trying to use but i seem to recall that it was setup to use OSS under warty before i upgraded
[01:19] <edOk> tengo una pci wmp54g alquien me puede indicar como utilizarle en ubuntu
[01:19] <edOk> les agradeceria
[01:19] <dud> edOk, #ubuntu-es
[01:19] <crimsun> monoxide: so under the preferences and output plugins, check to make sure it's set to use esd for output
[01:19] <tfh> crimsun, yes, for firefox it loads, starts displaying my home page then freezes for a minute or txo before resuming or crashing, is there any tool i could run to debug that ?
[01:19] <edOk> estoy en la lista pero nada
[01:19] <crimsun> monoxide: does glxinfo report that the nvidia drivers are correctly installed?
[01:20] <monoxide> crimsun, xmms wont start at all
[01:20] <crimsun> tfh: gdb or strace
[01:20] <cicak> hhhmmmmmm
[01:20] <cicak> apparently my mixer is /dev/mixer1 instead of /dev/mixer
[01:20] <akira> mcphail: it stops at  * Stopping bpalogin... [fail]
[01:20] <akira> invoke-rc.d: initscript bpalogin, action "stop" failed.
[01:20] <cicak> and that's why every sound volume application failed
[01:20] <monoxide> segfault there too...
[01:20] <cicak> how to fix this?
[01:20] <crimsun> cicak: because udev creates the symlink from /dev/mixer -> mixer1
[01:20] <tfh> crimsun, any link for a tutorial on using those tools effectively ? I'll start with man gdb :)
[01:21] <crimsun> tfh: you probably want to start with strace (see the -o, -f, and -F flags)
[01:21] <cicak> crimsun: it doesn't on mine
[01:21] <tfh> crimsun, thx
[01:21] <cicak> crimsun: there's no symlink set up
[01:21] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ glxinfo
[01:21] <monoxide> Segmentation fault
[01:21] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[01:21] <monoxide> so id have to say that no, theey probably are not installed correctly...
[01:21] <crimsun> cicak: you'll need to create it
[01:22] <mcphail> akira: hmm... Perhaps you could just try reconfiguring nautilus*
[01:22] <crimsun> monoxide: then you've pinpointed why xmms fails to start.
[01:22] <cicak> crimsun: ln -s /dev/mixer /dev/mixer1 ?
[01:22] <crimsun> cicak: sure
[01:22] <mcphail> akira: btw, have you installed the nautilus-burn library?
[01:23] <ions> any of you guys know 'anthony_barker' from the ubuntu forums?
[01:23] <monoxide> anyway of telling what needs fixing and how to fix it?
[01:23] <akira> mcphail: Can't say i have
[01:23] <cicak> crimsun: wait... if i do that, is it /dev/mixer pointing to /dev/mixer1 or the other way around?
[01:23] <mcphail> akira: may be your problem....
[01:23] <crimsun> cicak: ln -s mixer1 mixer
[01:23] <monoxide> cicak, /dev/mixer pointing to /dev/mixer1
[01:24] <akira> mcphail: i checked for nautilus-cd-burner
[01:24] <Dave2|Laptop> I'm sure there's an M to RTF, but I've not found it - is there a way to override DHCP DNS settings?
[01:24] <crimsun> cicak: presuming your cwd is /dev
[01:24] <cicak> ok
[01:24] <akira> mcphail: and it's installed
[01:24] <cicak> crimsun: wait... if i don't run modprobe opl3sa2, there are no mixer nor mixer1
[01:24] <mcphail> akira: what happens when you type nautilus burn:/// in a console?
[01:25] <Hammerattack> There's a file.../etc/resolv.conf...plug your dns servers into there.
[01:25] <crimsun> monoxide: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log first, then check your nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) packages
[01:25] <Hammerattack> No special format.
[01:25] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, but that gets reset by DHCP
[01:25] <monoxide> crimsun, any way of finding what needs fixing?
[01:25] <cicak> crimsun: running modprobe creates both
[01:25] <crimsun> monoxide: I just said...
[01:25] <tfh> crimsun, ok thanks, i'm running strace right now and my firefox is frozen, let's see which signal finally wakes it up.
[01:25] <Hammerattack> Yes, I was  buying time for the rest of my explanation. There's another fileto edit.
[01:25] <cicak> crimsun: and as the result, i can't do ln -s since both file exists
[01:25] <akira> mcphail: The cd/dvd creator comes up
[01:25] <Hammerattack> ...I just...don't recall...which...
[01:25] <Dave2|Laptop> I've also tried installing the resolv-conf package, but that only puts my custom DNS at the end
[01:25] <Dave2|Laptop> heh
[01:25] <crimsun> cicak: if both files exist (/dev/mixer1 and /dev/mixer), then what's the issue?
[01:26] <monoxide> crimsun, yep, but my computer is lagging bad
[01:26] <akira> mcphail: but if i try to burn anything, it just keeps asking for an empty disk
[01:26] <cicak> crimsun: the issue is that all applications look for the mixer in /dev/mixer... they have to look in /dev/mixer1
[01:26] <mcphail> akira: can you burn to CD? is it just the DVD that is the problem?
[01:27] <monoxide> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[01:27] <Dave2|Laptop> (On a side note, is there any chance of Xorg 6.8.2 getting into apt soon?)
[01:27] <akira> mcphail: i can burn using cdrecord, but anything in nautilus doens't burn...
[01:27] <monoxide> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[01:27] <monoxide> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[01:27] <akira> mcphail: ill try a cd right now
[01:28] <monoxide> they seem to be the only errors i can find
[01:28] <abec> where can i find kernel sources to download?
[01:28] <Hammerattack> kernel.org
[01:28] <abec> thx
[01:28] <tfh> crimsun, when my firefox is frozen i get those signals in my strace : futex(0x80d5344, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL)   = 0
[01:28] <tfh> futex(0x80d5344, FUTEX_WAKE, 1)         = 0
[01:29] <akira> mcphail: yeah just get a Reload rewritable or blank media
[01:29] <mcphail> akira: give me a minute
[01:29] <monoxide> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[01:29] <monoxide> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-k7 is already the newest version.
[01:29] <crimsun> cicak: but /dev/mixer exists?
[01:29] <tfh> many times, and I really don't see what it means ( is it something to do with mutex and threads.... i'm lost)
[01:30] <cicak> crimsun: yes
[01:30] <monoxide> crimsun, from what you said the only problem i could find was: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[01:30] <Hammerattack> Dave2|Laptop: Question...any reason you can use the gnome control panel for dns settings?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> akira: is /dev/cdrom pointing in the right direction? ls -l /dev/cdrom
[01:30] <mcphail> akira: what does sudo dpkg-reconfigure nautilus-cd-burner do?
[01:30] <crimsun> cicak: so use the -f flag with ln
[01:30] <cicak> crimsun: however, if i run the volume software normally, they would look in /dev/mixer, and reports that there's nothing there.. i have to run them using parameter to look in /dev/mixer1 instead....
[01:31] <cicak> crimsun: like   ln -f /dev/mixer /dev/mixer1 ? or the other way around?
[01:31] <crimsun> ln -sf
[01:31] <crimsun> and the other way around
[01:31] <crimsun> I suggest you read man ln
[01:31] <thoreauputic> cicak: the target comes first
[01:32] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, because I have no idea where it is, and tend to use config files for this kind of thing
[01:32] <akira> mcphail: completes fine
[01:32] <mcphail> akira: the other thing to try is sudo dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord (even though cdrecord is working)
[01:32] <crimsun> monoxide: so figure out why it fails to load glx
[01:32] <Hammerattack> On the Computer menu, under System Config, In Networking
[01:32] <Hammerattack> I got tired of having to chase down config files.
[01:33] <zyme> hay dudes where do i go to set up my proxy settings
[01:33] <monoxide> #flood
[01:33] <Hammerattack> You must've just ben in #debian
[01:33] <Odin2347> hehe
[01:33] <Odin2347> the people there aren't so nice...
[01:33] <monoxide> crimsun, thats all i can find
[01:33] <akira> mcphail: got this doing cdrecord: Generating missing device files needed by cdrecord
[01:34] <zyme> ohh a proxy support howto
[01:34] <zyme> joy of joys
[01:34] <Odin2347> the mepis people are very very nice
[01:34] <mcphail> akira: try burning again now
[01:34] <crimsun> monoxide: comment out Load "dri" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:34] <akira> mcphail: no dice, same plese insert media
[01:35] <mcphail> akira: sorry then. This worked for me.
[01:35] <cicak> crimsun: thx! it works now!
[01:35] <monoxide> ok, brb
[01:36] <akira> mcphail: i think the problem lies else where, nautilus wont automount my drives, however my usb key mounts fine
[01:36] <crimsun> zyme: in hoary?
[01:36] <zyme> no, warty
[01:36] <zyme> i figured it out anyway
[01:37] <dstevens> hi all ? just upgraded from warty hoary : having problems with screen resolution;
[01:37] <monoxide> crimsun, no help
[01:37] <EfaistOs> hi ... where i can found image magick  ?
[01:37] <crimsun> monoxide: so look at your logfile again
[01:37] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, I don't have a computer menu; hoary.
[01:38] <monoxide> dstevens, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:38] <Hammerattack> oooh...
[01:38] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[01:38] <Hammerattack> I'll have to actually think then.
[01:38] <dstevens> monoxide, will try that..
[01:39] <EfaistOs> not working
[01:39] <crimsun> zyme: right. It'd be under Computer>Desktop Preferences>Network Proxy
[01:39] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: your sources.list is correctly set up?
[01:39] <Hammerattack> cd ..
[01:39] <zyme> is there any way to automatically detect proxy settings or at least figure out what they are?
[01:40] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:40] <EfaistOs> #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## repository.
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## team.
[01:40] <EfaistOs> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[01:40] <EfaistOs> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[01:40] <EfaistOs> #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[01:40] <EfaistOs> #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[01:40] <monoxide> crimsun, #flood, i cant see anything wrong there except the error
[01:40] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: stop it!
[01:40] <crimsun> monoxide: you need to paste your entire log file.
[01:40] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, :p
[01:40] <EfaistOs> sorry
[01:40] <crimsun> monoxide: http://pastebin.ca
[01:40] <monoxide> EfaistOs, #flood next time
[01:40] <mcphail> akira: apps -> system tools -> config editor -> desktop -> gnome -> volume_manager may be worth a look
[01:40] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: please never do that again: use pastebin or #flood
[01:41] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, oki
[01:42] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: your problem is your main sources are commented out
[01:42] <thoreauputic>  #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
 #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:43] <monoxide> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/6502
[01:43] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, oups ... i didnt see that ... thanks
[01:43] <EfaistOs> :p
[01:44] <Hammerattack> Dave2|Laptop: Try editing /etc/network/interfaces to remove "DHCP" from the auto eth0 section
[01:44] <dstevens> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200502270040
[01:44] <monoxide> dstevens, thats incase you made changes to the config file. if you just installed hoary dont worry about that
[01:45] <monoxide> dstevens, press ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:45] <monoxide> to reset gnome
[01:45] <dstevens> monoxide, when i try to put the screen resolution back to 1400x1050 as normal it seem to only goto 1024 and spans multiple screens.
[01:45] <crimsun> monoxide: and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:45] <Hammerattack> replace DHCP with "static", then on the next line type "address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx", then the next line is "netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[01:46] <Hammerattack> address is your fixed ip address, and netmask is...well...you know
[01:46] <dstevens> weird, i have four x-xhat session in the same window.
[01:46] <monoxide> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/6503
[01:47] <crimsun> monoxide: uncomment Load "glx"
[01:48] <monoxide> brb, but as i recall that causes xorg to not load at all, hence why its commented out...
[01:50] <spizkapa> hello
[01:51] <spizkapa> does anyone have a zaurus 5500 that they use with ubuntu?
[01:51] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, but I do want to use DHCP
[01:51] <Dave2|Laptop> Just want my own DNS to be high up
[01:51] <spizkapa> I need help getting ethernet over usb to work
[01:51] <Lee__> spizkapa: I have one that works with Debian sarge
[01:52] <Lee__> should be the same configuration
[01:52] <spizkapa> what did you have to do Lee__ ?
[01:52] <Lee__> http://www.ossh.com/zaurus/mirrors/docs.zaurus.com/lc_debian.shtml
[01:52] <Lee__> ^^^
[01:52] <spizkapa> excellent, I'll have a look
[01:52] <MaxeyPad> I'm using vmware workstation 4.5 under ubuntu.  However, for some reason when I stop my vm sometimes it kills my usb mouse.  Is there a way to get that mouse back short of restarting ubuntu.
[01:52] <Lee__> even gives it an Internet connection from the USB cradle
[01:53] <Lee__> MaxeyPad: try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[01:53] <MaxeyPad> k trying that now
[01:53] <MaxeyPad> this should take a moment correct?
[01:54] <spizkapa> Lee__ are you sure that site is still up?
[01:54] <Lee__> y
[01:54] <Lee__> spizkapa: yeah, it's in my browser window now
[01:54] <MaxeyPad> its been about 60 seconds and i've not gotten any input back.
[01:54] <MaxeyPad> is that normal?
[01:55] <Lee__> oh well. that sucks. you try unplugging it?
[01:55] <spizkapa> weird... I get www.ossh.com not found
[01:55] <monoxide> ol
[01:55] <thoreauputic> spizkapa: loaded in seconds here on dialup
[01:56] <MaxeyPad> :) heh
[01:56] <monoxide> crimsun, for that to even startup i had to change it to Load "nv-glx"
[01:56] <MaxeyPad>
[01:56] <monoxide> but its still not working
[01:57] <crimsun> monoxide: then forget "nvidia" altogether and just use "nv"
[01:57] <crimsun> monoxide: and comment out Load "glx"
[01:58] <spizkapa> just checking, Lee__ is the site you sent me correct?
[01:58] <monoxide> ok, trying that
[01:59] <thoreauputic> spizkapa: as I said, his link loaded immediately here
[01:59] <Hammerattack> Dave2|Laptop: You appear to be SOL. You might try adding the lines primary, secondary, and tertiary and see if that does anything.
[02:00] <monoxide> still not wokring and the colour look a little off now as well...
[02:00] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, thanks for your help anyway
[02:00] <crimsun> monoxide: are you on amd64?
[02:00] <monoxide> no
[02:00] <crimsun> monoxide: uname -r
[02:01] <Zenith-> Can I change the language of Ubuntu after it's been installed?
[02:01] <monoxide> 2.6.10-4-k7
[02:01] <dstevens> monoxide, seems to be working now cheers, made changes(again) rebooted all was good.
[02:01] <crimsun> monoxide: which version, -24 ?
[02:01] <monoxide> that is exaclty what was output by uname
[02:02] <crimsun> monoxide: now check the version of that package
[02:02] <monoxide> dstevens, great :)
[02:02] <zyme> is there a firefox plugin to automatically detect proxy settings?
[02:03] <spizkapa> hmmm, I can't see that site...
[02:03] <monoxide> -24
[02:03] <thoreauputic> zyme: have you searched the extensions page?
[02:03] <zyme> yeah
[02:04] <zyme> i didnt find anything there, but i saw such a plugin mentioned on the ubuntu forums
[02:04] <spizkapa> Lee__ did you have to blacklist cdcether?
[02:04] <crimsun> monoxide: you need to ask in #nvidia or on the nvnews.net forum
[02:04] <crimsun> monoxide: this is definitely an nvidia-related issue
[02:05] <monoxide> and il check the ubuntu guide too... there some stuff on nvidea there
[02:05] <Lee__> spizkapa: no
[02:05] <Lee__> I think that's not in the 2.6 kernel
[02:05] <Lee__> last time I say it was in Fedora 1
[02:05] <Lee__> s/say/saw/
[02:06] <spizkapa> Lee__: basically, the problem is that the Z is recognised by ubuntu but no usb0 can be ifup-ed
[02:06] <spizkapa> so eg usbnet is loaded
[02:06] <Lee__> if you follow the instructions on that page, everything will happen automatically.
[02:06] <Lee__> what does dmesg say?
[02:07] <dolson> I just installed Ubuntu. I did the nvidia-glx enable thingy, but now my monitor is black... I hear the sound play when it boots up and gets to the login screen, but X doesn't actually start
[02:07] <spizkapa> Lee__: it says "usb0: register usbnet at usb-0000:00:10.3-6.1, Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00"
[02:07] <ftwig> anyobe know what ** (gnome-alsamixer:6813): WARNING **: gam_toggle_get_state (). No idea what to do for mixer element "IEC958"! means, i'me trying to start gnome-alsamizer
[02:07] <spizkapa> but then ifconfig doesn't show usb0
[02:07] <Lee__> now type /sbin/ifconfig -a
[02:07] <Lee__> oh, weird.
[02:08] <_4strO> hi all
[02:08] <dolson> hi
[02:08] <spizkapa> Lee__ but hang on, there is an eth1 and eth0
[02:08] <_4strO> i have a pb with totem
[02:08] <spizkapa> Lee__ maybe one is in fact the Z
[02:08] <_4strO> and alsa
[02:08] <_4strO> and I don't find the conf file
[02:09] <_4strO> is anybody have an idea ?
[02:09] <jakejarvis> can somebody tell me if they can get to <IP_ADDRESS>:8080?
[02:09] <Lee__> spizkapa: yeah, unless you have two NICs
[02:09] <spizkapa> oops, I do, mobo nic and the one I use
[02:10] <Zenith-> Can I change the language of Ubuntu after it's been installed? I wanna use english, and not my local language...
[02:10] <Lee__> jakejarvis: nope
[02:10] <jakejarvis> hmm, ok - thanks!
[02:10] <spizkapa> Lee__ I'm tail-ing -f /var/log/messages and when the Z goes to slepp it says usb 4-6.1: new full speed USB device using address 9
[02:10] <spizkapa> usb 4-6.1: device not accepting address 9, error -32
[02:10] <spizkapa> maybe that's a hint
[02:10] <Lee__> yeah, I've seen that too with my mobo
[02:11] <Lee__> I usually have to change the USB port or worse, reboot.
[02:11] <Lee__> I think is has to do with cheap mobos and USB power consumption of sumn
[02:11] <dolson> is the nvidia driver supposed to work or does everyone get the black screen like this?
[02:11] <apokryphos> works here
[02:11] <Lee__> works for me
[02:12] <Zenith-> I cant get it to work in hoary...
[02:12] <dolson> do you think I made a mistake? I installed it and ran the command that it said to run and then restarted X
[02:12] <Lee__> try ctrl + alt + backspace
[02:13] <dolson> I did. every time it does that, after a few seconds, I hear that sound play that means I can log in now
[02:13] <Lee__> ctrl + alt + numpad "+"
[02:13] <Blues-Man> hello
[02:14] <dolson> I can log in too, and hear the sound from the splash screen
[02:14] <dolson> numpad's not doing anything
[02:14] <Blues-Man> I've got a Pentium I 133 64mb and I would put it on ubuntu but if possible without gnome, only window maker, is it possible?
[02:14] <Lee__> that's cupposed to cycle resolutions in the config file
[02:15] <dolson> yeah
[02:15] <Lee__> Blues-Man: don't do it. use something lighter, like Debian.
[02:15] <dolson> brb, wife is bugging me
[02:15] <Rotund> I just installed Hoary.  May I just say "WOW"
[02:15] <Blues-Man> Lee__: I haven't debian on a cd, only on a Dvd
[02:15] <Blues-Man> :/
[02:15] <Rotund> Congrats on the changes guys
[02:15] <Blues-Man> and I've gprs
[02:15] <Lee__> the download the netinst cd. it's ~ 100 megs
[02:16] <Blues-Man> Lee__: netinst with gprs?
[02:16] <Blues-Man> is there a debina cd ..only one?
[02:16] <Blues-Man> *debian
[02:17] <Lee__> Blues-Man: that might suck.
[02:17] <Lee__> perhaps a light UNIX, like OpenBSD?
[02:17] <Blues-Man> I would X
[02:18] <Lee__> that's some pretty minimal hardware
[02:18] <monoxide> still not working. im asking in #nvidia
[02:18] <Odin2347> wow!!!!
[02:18] <Odin2347> ubuntu is the 1st distro
[02:18] <Odin2347> to detect my wireless card
[02:18] <Blues-Man> openbsd is too difficulut for me :)
[02:18] <Lee__> well, that hardware is pretty "exceptional" by today's standards.
[02:18] <Odin2347> i'm still not connected to the internet though :/
[02:18] <Odin2347> can someone help me?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: should work with debian minimal install + say fluxbox or openbox (maybe windowmaker)
[02:18] <Lee__> so you'll have to do sone work
[02:19] <Odin2347> under devices it shows up as atheros abg wireless NIC
[02:19] <Blues-Man> thoreauputic: so can I use ubuntu cd do that?
[02:19] <Odin2347> and if i click on network it says "windows network"
[02:19] <Lee__> Blues-Man: netinst, 'apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox' should get everything.
[02:19] <Blues-Man> *to do
[02:19] <Lee__> Blues-Man: no, Ubuntu is not Debian.
[02:19] <Lee__> you have to use the Debian CD to do that.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: don't know - probably with a custom install : it's just the debian sarge installer, basically
[02:20] <Blues-Man> but debian minimal install requires lots of download I think
[02:20] <Blues-Man> and gprs will not help me
[02:20] <Odin2347> can someone tell me how to get my wireless card to connect to my windows network?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Lee__: it's possible to do minimal installs with ubuntu - there's a howto on the wiki I believe
[02:21] <calc> just boot into expert mode
[02:21] <calc> very easy :)
[02:21] <Blues-Man> thoreauputic: if true could you link me plaese?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: hmm
[02:21] <calc> at the prompt on the ubuntu install cd type "expert"
[02:21] <zyme> in rythmbox, how do i clear the library?
[02:21] <Lee__> oh, cool. I think the big difference is Ubuntu is a big desktop distro while Debian is kind of a kitchen sink distro. You can do anything you want with it.
[02:21] <zyme> wait nevermind
[02:22] <Lee__> Odin2347: man iwconfig
[02:22] <Blues-Man> hey then is the apt-get upgrade is catastrofic like in some others distro like knoppix?bad experience with it :)
[02:22] <Blues-Man> not upgrade sorry
[02:22] <tolstoy_> is there a way to change that new nautilus behavior where the desktop switches to the active nautilus windows rather than going to the desktop?
[02:22] <Blues-Man> dist-upgrade
[02:22] <Lee__> Blues-Man: that's cause you installed Knoppix to a hard disk. bad idea.
[02:22] <Blues-Man> yes dist-upgrade
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: no , dist upgrade is OK in ubuntu
[02:23] <calc> ubuntu is a real dist unlike knoppix
[02:23] <Blues-Man> ok
[02:23] <Odin2347> hmm
[02:23] <Odin2347> what do i do after iwconfig
[02:23] <Blues-Man> Lee__: I haven't knew it :)
[02:23] <Lee__> do what the manual pages says, configura your card.
[02:23] <Odin2347> ok
[02:23] <Odin2347> thanks
[02:24] <tfh> grrr my firefox is broken
[02:24] <tfh> it freezes everytime i launch it
[02:24] <tfh> then resumes and works, but the freeze is one minute long at least.
[02:24] <tfh> i'm stracing it but i cannot interpret the strace :(
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM/view?searchterm=minimal%20install
[02:25] <apokryphos> Have got a seemingly insurmountable problem. This one error is giving me quite some grief: http://pastebin.com/246805
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: I think that's the one
[02:25] <apokryphos> Thought it might have been because it's looking for xfree while I have xorg installed, but apparently that's not the problem.
[02:25] <Blues-Man> thoreauputic: tnx :)
[02:26] <Odin2347> when i type iwconfig it says eht0 interface doesn't support lo interface doesnt support and sit0 doesnt support
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: it links to http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[02:27] <apokryphos> I'm told the problem is that it's not linking a lib properly. Does ubuntu split xorg in some weird way? Why can't it find the necessary stuff?
[02:27] <MaxeyPad> how exaclty can I assocate mp3 files with xmms instead of totem?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> MaxeyPad: in nautilus, right click, properties , choose "open with" i think (from an mp3 file0
[02:28] <net_benjo> Hi....does anybody know what to do if the system did not "cleanly unmount" my root partition......now every time at boot system hangs....
[02:28] <Blues-Man> yes I've seen :)
[02:28] <MaxeyPad> thanks
[02:29] <MaxeyPad> so has a book on ubuntu been published yet
[02:29] <Lee__> a book for what?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> MaxeyPad: you might want to look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:30] <thoreauputic> also lots of stuff on the ubuntulinux.org website
[02:30] <Odin2347> anyone up for helping a linux noob getting his wireless working?
[02:30] <Lee__> Odin2347: is your AP using WEP?
[02:30] <Odin2347> i dont know
[02:31] <Odin2347> it might, but i lost the password to the router
[02:31] <Lee__> good place to start
[02:31] <encKe`> is there a program that comes with Ubuntu that will burn .iso?
[02:31] <fgubuntu> hi
[02:31] <Lee__> time to reset it break out your router manual
[02:31] <net_benjo> I'dd appreciate any advice on how to resolve my issue....my system hangs every time at boot when doing hotplug....
[02:31] <Odin2347> hehe
[02:32] <Odin2347> the one time i need the manual... i can't find it
[02:32] <fgubuntu> anyone using fvwm2?
[02:32] <net_benjo> I also get a message that system has not cleanly unmounted before..
[02:33] <net_benjo> can I use knoppix live cd to change some files on ubuntu system??
[02:33] <fgubuntu> any ubuntu X guru here?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: sure you can
[02:34] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: you'd need to mount the ubuntu system read-write, probably
[02:34] <net_benjo> thoreaputic:  I've tried it..however....i use su command to become root..then when I open any files on mounted ubuntu partion it tells me that its a read only file..
[02:34] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: but to check the files system, you don't mount
[02:35] <net_benjo> how do I mount  in read-write mode?
[02:35] <timlinux> hi does anyone know of a source for kde 3.4rc1 to add to apt?
[02:35] <net_benjo> mount -rw or something like that?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: in knoppix/kde you can usually just change the properties inthe properties dialogue fro the context menu
[02:36] <thoreauputic> right-click the file you want and change the properties
[02:36] <net_benjo> aah...thank you thoreaputic....ofcourse the simplest solution eluded me..
[02:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:37] <net_benjo> I'll give it a try...thanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:37] <fgubuntu> do you think it's possible to use fvwm+gnome in ubuntu?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: in linux anything is possible
[02:38] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:38] <Odin2347> woohoo i remember my password
[02:38] <tfh> encKe`, cdrecord ?
[02:38] <monoxide> crimsun, it isnt my graphics setup, i tried using the vesa driver and it still doesnt work
[02:39] <kaos> why can't I use sh @ the command line for a .bin file it just gives me this: root@ubuntu:/home/fred # sh j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin
[02:39] <kaos> j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[02:39] <fgubuntu> thoreauputic: do you know docs about switching from metacity to fvwm2?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: no, sorry - but I'm sure a bit of googling would find something
[02:40] <Odin2347> Lee__: i have WEP disabled..what should i do next?
[02:40] <tfh> anyone knows how to disable screen blanking on laptops when using mplayer in full screen ? every 20 mins i get the screensaver and when i'm on battery every 10 mins the screen blank
[02:41] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: something in gnome-session-properties maybe?
[02:41] <kaos>  why can't I use sh @ the command line for a .bin file it just gives me this: root@ubuntu:/home/fred # sh j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin  j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[02:42] <fgubuntu> thoreauputic: thx. can you imagine something that could compromize or keep my ubuntu "not regular" after this switch?
[02:43] <JDahl> kaos, as a side note there're easier ways to install java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:43] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: I don't know enough to answer that, sorry - I'm just a user, not a dev or a guru ;-)
[02:43] <png> kdos http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[02:44] <fgubuntu> thoreauputic: ok. thx!!!
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i list packages installed from apt-get, not including packages that i installed "local"ly?
[02:44] <marcin_ant> kaos: sh ./j2re.....
[02:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg -l lists even locally installed
[02:45] <marcin_ant> kaos: not sh j2re>>>
[02:45] <Pluk> tfh, xset -dpms
[02:45] <marcin_ant> kaos: can you see the difference?
[02:45] <Pluk> that disables the enrgy star features
[02:46] <Pluk> xset +dpms to turn it on again
[02:46] <Pluk> but i thought mplayer had a switch for it
[02:47] <monoxide> does anyone know a good alternative to wine?
[02:48] <goedecke_> hi
[02:48] <OrangeSlice> winex?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> monoxide: vodka?
[02:48] <goedecke_> haw i unistal a aplication ?
[02:48] <tfh> pluk, thx i'll give it a try
[02:48] <monoxide> thoreauputic, haha... are you being serious? or are there some very disturbed linux package namers...
[02:48] <tfh> mplayer has a switch for xscreensaver ( which doesn't work in ubuntu btw :) ) but not for energystar
[02:48] <thoreauputic> goedecke_: sudo apt-get remove <app-packagename>
[02:49] <thoreauputic> goedecke_: or easier, use synaptic
[02:49] <Pluk> tfh setterm -blank 0 is also possible
[02:49] <thoreauputic> monoxide: apt-cache search vodka *grin*
[02:51] <thoreauputic> monoxide: but there are indeed some seriously disturbed linux package namers ;-)
[02:52] <OrangeSlice> need I mention sex?
[02:52] <OrangeSlice> Simple Editor for X?  ;)
[02:52] <Odin2347> lol
[02:52] <monoxide> lol
[02:52] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: beat me to it ;-)
[02:52] <Odin2347> anyone want to help me get my wireless working?
[02:52] <monoxide> OrangeSlice, that guy needs to get out more...
[02:52] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[02:53] <thoreauputic> type  ` apt-get moo`  ;-)
[02:53] <OrangeSlice> orange@ubuntu ~ $ apt-cache show sex, Package: sex, Priority: optional
[02:53] <monoxide> LOL
[02:53] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: optional???
[02:53] <OrangeSlice> yes, apparently.
[02:53] <tfh> lol
[02:53] <thoreauputic> haha
[02:54] <Odin2347> no one wants to help me? :(
[02:54] <OrangeSlice> we're laughing at sex.  give us a minute ;p
[02:54] <Odin2347> ok ;P
[02:54] <monoxide> hehe
[02:54] <tfh> then help yourself :) I'm sorry i'm incompetent when it comes to wireless
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: if you were more specific, someone might be a ble to help
[02:54] <Odin2347> Ok
[02:55] <Odin2347> i have a dlink g520
[02:55] <Odin2347> atheros chipset
[02:55] <monoxide> E: Couldn't find package winex
[02:55] <Odin2347> ubuntu recognnizes it
[02:55] <Odin2347> its listed as abg atheros wireless NIC
[02:55] <OrangeSlice> winex is only available via CVS
[02:55] <Odin2347> if i click on network
[02:55] <Odin2347> it shows a windows network
[02:55] <monoxide> ahh
[02:55] <OrangeSlice> http://winex.sourceforge.net
[02:55] <Odin2347> but im not connected to the internet
[02:55] <thoreauputic> monoxide: winex is proprietary and you pay for it I believe
[02:55] <tfh> shit 253 mb strace, should have stopped it before. now i can't submit it to a bug report
[02:55] <OrangeSlice> winex is the free version of cedega
[02:56] <monoxide> any others? i would prefer something i can apt-get and something i dont need to pay for
[02:56] <thoreauputic> ah - I stand corrected
[02:56] <OrangeSlice> it's basically cedega without the cd copy-protection code and some other minor things
[02:56] <monoxide> OrangeSlice, as in to undo cd copy protection or what?
[02:57] <marcin_ant> Odin2347: go to System -> Administration -> Configure network devices and connections
[02:57] <OmniColos> odin are you just tring to connect to your wlan?
[02:57] <OrangeSlice> something like that, I dunno.  I have pirated cedege debs :p
[02:57] <thoreauputic> monoxide: dare I suggest - just dump your MS apps?
[02:57] <Odin2347> OmniColos: Yes
[02:57] <Odin2347> it's detected..
[02:57] <tfh> thoreauputic, you have the solution lol
[02:57] <Odin2347> and so is the network
[02:57] <marcin_ant> Odin2347: or sudo network-admin from terminal
[02:57] <OmniColos> odin type ifconfig and see if the device is up
[02:57] <monoxide> thoreauputic, unless you can give me some half decent linux games then no
[02:58] <tfh> thoreauputic, except sometimes weird schools or companies just need you to use windows apps :(
[02:58] <OrangeSlice> UT2K4 isn't decent?
[02:58] <Odin2347> ok ill t ry it brb
[02:58] <tfh> monoxide, dual boot
[02:58] <OmniColos> do you have a wired nic too?
[02:58] <Odin2347> yea
[02:58] <Odin2347> inegrated
[02:58] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I don't know about linux games
[02:58] <Odin2347> integrated***
[02:58] <OmniColos> odin you should see lo, eth0 and eth1
[02:58] <Odin2347> i see lo eth0 and sit0
[02:58] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I'm told such do exist
[02:58] <tfh> monoxide, I play ET UT2004 and doom3 on linux they are decent, since wow runs on mac i'm sure it can be forced to run on linux but never tried it
[02:59] <OmniColos> type iwconfig
[02:59] <tfh> OrangeSlice, which anime? i'm an otaku too
[02:59] <OmniColos> is there an enty for eth1?
[02:59] <Odin2347> i tried that earlier and it said eth0 doesnt support wireless or something like that
[02:59] <Odin2347> no
[02:59] <OmniColos> ok
[02:59] <Odin2347> eth0 lo and sit0
[02:59] <monoxide> tfh, i am getting another harddrive to run a winXP install off, but i dont really want to be rebooting just to run games...
[02:59] <An00b15> the latest version (1.0.1) of Firefox has been released.
[02:59] <OrangeSlice> um... kaleido star, key the metal idol
[02:59] <OmniColos> eth0 is prolly your wired nic
[03:00] <mjr> tfh, as a curiosity, the latest wine weekly news reported wow being playable with wine plus some recent opengl patches
[03:00] <K-Rich> crimsun: you on dude?
[03:00] <Odin2347> yea
[03:00] <Odin2347> what is lo and sit0 then
[03:00] <OrangeSlice> would say howl's moving castle but I watched that this morning
[03:00] <tfh> mjr, never dabbled in wine never will, if one day i'm tired of dualbooting i'll just use vmware. wine just seems to be too much work
[03:00] <OmniColos> odin try: ifconfig eth1 up
[03:01] <dolson> ok, back
[03:01] <tfh> OrangeSlice, i like moving castle dunno the other one
[03:01] <Odin2347> ok ill try it
[03:01] <Odin2347> brb
[03:01] <Odin2347> the other computer is upstairs
[03:02] <tfh> An00b15, is that released on ubuntu ? or released on mozilla ? cos my firefox is bugged i'm dying for an update
[03:02] <monoxide> tfh, what is wow?
[03:03] <Odin2347> it says
[03:03] <tfh> monoxide, World of Warcraft my latest addiction
[03:03] <dolson> ick
[03:03] <Odin2347> iconfig command not known
[03:03] <monoxide> ahh :)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: ifconfig
[03:03] <Odin2347> ahhhhhhhhhh
[03:03] <dolson> lol
[03:03] <Odin2347> lol
[03:03] <goedecke_> how to i put a icon in the menu aplication | Internet ?
[03:03] <png> maybe elseconfig
[03:03] <mjr> tfh, never is a long time, and you won't be treating your addiction with vmware :)
[03:03] <dolson> gotoconfig
[03:04] <OmniColos> man odin is gonna get lots of exercise tonite
[03:04] <png> :)
[03:04] <dolson> IsNotconfig(tm)
[03:04] <dolson> okay, so. black screen, nvidia drivers, I type in _____ to fix it?
[03:04] <Odin2347> i am
[03:05] <Odin2347> "error no such device"
[03:05] <tfh> mjr, i know that i will never use it because my time playing with linux is dwindling ( sucks to work i wan to be a student again)
[03:05] <png> goedecke_, i cant do it in hoary. if u can find a way, tell me to:)
[03:05] <tfh> png, same here
[03:05] <OmniColos> odin: what brand wireless card is it
[03:05] <tfh> png, i think it's in the hoary roadmap or the gnome 2.10 roadmap to have a graphical menueditor
[03:06] <Odin2347> Dlink
[03:06] <Odin2347> G520
[03:06] <Jae686> hi
[03:06] <OmniColos> ok do you have the module for it loaded? type lsmod to see...
[03:06] <Odin2347> it should work "out of the box"
[03:06] <Odin2347> ok
[03:07] <otterit> good evening....i was wondering if someone could help with a wireless (wusb11) question.
[03:07] <dolson> tfh: graphical menu editor? is it going to be an abomination like KDE's menu editor?
[03:07] <otterit> is there a gui that can help setup the wireless NIC?
[03:08] <png> tfh, im updating apt-cache every hour for it:)
[03:08] <Odin2347> i dont see anything wireless related coming up...
[03:09] <tfh> dolson, no idea, i know that when i wanted to add a psi icon to my menu i looked around on the net for gnome 2.9 menueditor and i only found it on the gnome 2.10 roadmap, but that was a month or two ago maybe it has fleshed out  abit
[03:09] <OmniColos> odin: take a look here: http://www.techspot.com/vb/archive/index/t-7157.html
[03:09] <_blue> yo, who has used at att 6500g wireless card w/ atheros chipset for their ubuntu box?
[03:09] <tfh> wireless worked out of the bow for me, i'm so lucky (except i have an ati card:( )
[03:09] <tfh> -w+x
[03:10] <_blue> ati card?
[03:10] <Odin2347> hmmmm
[03:10] <heyrhett> I just set up ubuntu.  Got dual screens going!
[03:10] <Odin2347> ive tried it with madwifi before
[03:10] <tfh> ati graphic card which plain sucks on linux
[03:10] <Odin2347> didnt work
[03:10] <noppe> tfh: yep their drivers are #@$#@ terrible..
[03:10] <_blue> odin: its suppose to work outta the box with ubuntu
[03:10] <Jae686> regarding the asus baterry hack, were can i get it and how do i install it?
[03:11] <heyrhett> so, ubuntu is based on debian?
[03:11] <_blue> tfh: not video, wireless network card
[03:11] <tfh> _blue, i know
[03:11] <otterit> wusb11 atmel (http://at76c503a.berlios.de/) has anyone used this driver?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: yes
[03:11] <heyrhett> ok, i used to use redhat
[03:11] <_blue> Odin2347: that card didnt work w/ madwifi?
[03:11] <heyrhett> this apt business is new to me
[03:11] <Odin2347> no
[03:11] <otterit> what's madwifi?
[03:11] <Odin2347> a driver
[03:12] <Odin2347> for atheros based wireless cards
[03:12] <heyrhett> but I sure hated dealing with setting up debian.  Seems like ubuntu might be what I want
[03:12] <_blue> its supported under madwifi
[03:12] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: use the synaptic package manager
[03:12] <_blue> how does it not work?
[03:12] <Odin2347> dont know
[03:12] <otterit> _blue ... madwifi should work with a wusb11 NIC?  http://at76c503a.berlios.de/
[03:12] <otterit> ??
[03:12] <heyrhett> ok, i'll read about that
[03:12] <_blue> no...
[03:12] <otterit> no...:(
[03:12] <otterit> *sigh*
[03:12] <_blue> linksys....which one?
[03:12] <tfh> well it's 3am here, goodnight and goodluck
[03:13] <_blue> v2.5?
[03:13] <Odin2347> ive used kanotix before and that has mad wifi
[03:13] <otterit> linksys wusb11
[03:13] <otterit> _blue >> version 2.8
[03:13] <jakejarvis> question: is there a firewall in ubuntu enabled by default?
[03:13] <otterit> Atmel AT76C503A
[03:13] <_blue> im not sure about that version...
[03:13] <Cindux> ><
[03:13] <Cindux> damnt
[03:13] <Odin2347> my card is supposed to work out of the box with ubuntu :(
[03:13] <otterit> _blue >> same here..i can't get the darn thing to work.
[03:13] <_blue> i know 2.5 and 2.6 have drivers via
[03:13] <tomaraya> jake: I don't believe so.
[03:13] <OmniColos> odin what happens when you "modprobe ath_pci"
[03:13] <heyrhett> can i use apt to get synaptic?
[03:13] <jakejarvis> ok, thanks
[03:13] <_blue> ndiswrapper
[03:13] <thoreauputic> jakejarvis: it ships without servers and wqith eveything closed
[03:13] <_blue> and linux wlan-ng
[03:13] <jakejarvis> ok, thanks
[03:14] <Odin2347> it cant find ath_pci..
[03:14] <heyrhett> oh, looks like i have it
[03:14] <Odin2347> i dont think ubuntu comes with it
[03:14] <otterit> _blue >> WUSB v11 using Atmel AT76C503A
[03:14] <thoreauputic> jakejarvis: get firestarter for a simple firewall app
[03:14] <_blue> yea....ndiswrapper
[03:14] <_blue> or try linux wlan-ng
[03:14] <otterit> i dont understand how to recompile the kernel.
[03:14] <dolson> how true are these statements? "Ubuntu is Debian" and "Ubuntu is just a Sarge snapshot" ( yes, I know Ubuntu is based on Debian) ?
[03:14] <otterit> wlan-ng?
[03:14] <otterit> what's dat?
[03:14] <_blue> google it...
[03:14] <otterit> roger
[03:15] <thoreauputic> dolson: ubuntu is not debian 2) it's based on sid not sarge
[03:15] <Cindux> when i format floppies with ubuntu using DOS (FAT) on standard &/or quick mode & i use it on a windows pc once
[03:15] <Cindux> ubuntu cannot read it
[03:15] <dolson> thoreauputic: thanks. I win the petty argument. :)
[03:15] <Cindux> unknown file sys type etc
[03:15] <OmniColos> odin: don't know of anything else to try... I'm pretty new myself...
[03:15] <otterit> thanks..anyone else possibly use the Atmel AT76C503A driver with a wireless NIC?
[03:16] <tomaraya> Cindux, mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt worked for me.
[03:16] <_blue> i have....its a linksys wusb11 v3.0
[03:16] <Odin2347> :((
[03:16] <_blue> it works well with ndiswrapper
[03:16] <Cindux> hm ill try it
[03:16] <Cindux> thanks
[03:16] <otterit> ndiswrapper
[03:16] <Cindux> brb gotta go to windows macine again etc
[03:16] <Pluk> madwifi driver should be in linux-restricted-modules-*
[03:17] <Pluk> btw whats the effectice speeds you can get with 54g ?
[03:17] <Pluk> effective*
[03:17] <Odin2347> how come if the card is detected and so is the network im not connected to the internet???
[03:17] <Pluk> im getting 3mb/sec
[03:17] <jinx_> Pluk: about 3mb/s
[03:17] <Pluk> ah thx jinx_
[03:18] <OmniColos> what tells you the card is detected?
[03:19] <Odin2347> its listed under devices
[03:19] <OmniColos> oh
[03:19] <Odin2347> "atheros abg wireless NIC"
[03:19] <Pluk> Odin2347, does ifconfig show ath0 with an ip?
[03:19] <Odin2347> under pci devices
[03:19] <Odin2347> didnt ry it
[03:19] <otterit> ndiswrapper is a driver?
[03:19] <_blue> its a driver wrapper
[03:19] <Odin2347> ath0 doesnt show up with anything through...
[03:20] <Pluk> ndiswrapper wraps windows drivers
[03:20] <otterit> << i have a lot to learn
[03:20] <Cindux> hm seems to be working for now
[03:20] <Odin2347> only eth0 lo and sit0
[03:20] <Cindux> hm
[03:20] <Cindux> ok this problem is wierd, but when i had win2k it didnt happen so its an ubuntu only issue
[03:20] <OmniColos> maybe ifconfig ath0 up
[03:20] <Odin2347> hmm
[03:20] <Odin2347> time to try it
[03:20] <jinx_> Pluk: although theoretical maximum is about 6mb / s you'll never achieve that in practice
[03:21] <Cindux> i set my monitor (sony trinitron, G200) with the little menu etc ( i did the vertical,horizontal, screen brightness etc
[03:21] <heero1711> hello
[03:21] <atylan> who financed ubuntu? cant find anything about it on canonical
[03:21] <Cindux> and now every couple of days its like it reset
[03:21] <Pluk> Odin2347, lsmod |grep ath0  does that give anything?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> atylan: Mark Shuttleworth
[03:21] <atylan> thx
[03:21] <kaworu> hi, is it possible tu have a kernel with bootsplash on ubuntu warty ?
[03:21] <heero1711> Amd64 use a different source.list ??
[03:21] <heero1711> anyone using amd64?
[03:22] <Pluk> jinx_, i was hoping i could tweak it a little to get 4-5mb/s but thats just idle hope i guess
[03:22] <mjr> jinx_, Pluk, allow me to note here that for a "54 Mbit/s" wlan device the theoretical maximum data rate to one direction is 27 Mbit/s
[03:22] <heyrhett> how do I find packages that synaptic doesn't see, like pine?
[03:22] <Pluk> hmmm thats silly :) false 54g statement
[03:22] <mjr> the 54 figure is for the full duplex rate, marketspeak
[03:22] <Odin2347> "no such device"
[03:22] <Odin2347> Pluk ill have to try that
[03:23] <Pluk> lsmod |grep ath ,i mean
[03:23] <Pluk> well ill try to be satisfied with 3mb/sec then :)
[03:24] <heyrhett> do i need a new repository?
[03:24] <encKe`> anyone burn .iso with x-cd-roast?
[03:25] <mjr> encKe`, no, but why, since you can just right-click/burn in nautilus?
[03:25] <heero1711> please somebody know is i need use a different source.list for my amd64?
[03:25] <png> encKe`, im burning with nautilus cd burner
[03:25] <encKe`> hmmmm.... didnt know that mjr
[03:25] <encKe`> thx for info
[03:25] <OmniColos> is there a speedier gui filebrowser than nautilus?
[03:26] <OmniColos> faster than nautilus and also has tree view
[03:26] <Ziggity> hi
[03:26] <Pluk> heero1711, http://www.pastebin.com/246833 i use this one for hoary and xfce4.2
[03:27] <Ziggity> Whats the setting in the sources.list file for Warty to find things like Anjuta and MonoDevelop
[03:27] <encKe`> anyone else here have a strange addiction to Ubuntu?
[03:27] <encKe`> lol
[03:27] <thoreauputic> OmniColos: there are many, but not with thumnails etc - I use rox filer but it doesn't use tree view
[03:27] <thoreauputic> *thumbnails
[03:27] <heyrhett> i do apt-get build-dep pine, and I get: Unable to find a source package for pine
[03:27] <encKe`> i know...i know.... stupid ?
[03:27] <heero1711> Pluk thanks a lot
[03:27] <OmniColos> woow pastebin is cool
[03:28] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: pine is non-free
[03:28] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: you might want to look at mutt
[03:28] <Pluk> pastebin is great for sharing configfiles without spamming the channel
[03:28] <heyrhett> ugh, I couldn't use mutt
[03:28] <thoreauputic> the pine license is incompatible with debian guidelines
[03:29] <heyrhett> yeah
[03:29] <heyrhett> i forgot about those jerks
[03:29] <OmniColos> although your entry has <?php ?> in it :P
[03:29] <Pluk> i kinde miss treeview in rox.. but i can live without it :)
[03:29] <|line> does anyone here use pan
[03:29] <mseney> just changed my DVD 16x Drive to use use udma w/ hdparm. how can i retain it's new setting so a reboot won't reset it?
[03:29] <Pluk> OmniColos, http://nopaste.biz/?1155
[03:29] <Ziggity> Whats the setting in the sources.list file for Warty to find things like Anjuta and MonoDevelop
[03:29] <chase> how can i get the nvidia drivers installed? ive installed nvidia-glx and -kernel threw apt. but when i try setting the XFree86 config file to use nvidia instead of nv the X server doesnt start
[03:29] <Pluk> http://nopaste.biz is a better one
[03:29] <chase> any clues? im new to ubuntu and debain
[03:29] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: if you think debian are "jerks" i don't think you should be using Ubuntu, frankly
[03:30] <heyrhett> no, the pine jerks
[03:30] <|line> chase i have the command
[03:30] <|line> give me a sec to retype ok
[03:30] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: since they are the "jerks" who made it possible
[03:30] <chase> ol thanks
[03:30] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: ah OK - sorry ;)
[03:30] <Pluk> lots of ppl complain about ppl in #debian being jerks though
[03:30] <png> chase, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15
[03:30] <png> first topic
[03:30] <heyrhett> yeah yeah, every once in a while i forget that pine has to be nonfree for whatever reason
[03:30] <OmniColos> plukl: yeah thats is an improvement :D
[03:30] <heyrhett> probably university policy
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Pluk: some are, for sure :)
[03:31] <goedecke_> who was the comant to see my kernel version?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> uname -r
[03:31] <Pluk> uname -r
[03:31] <goedecke_> tnk
[03:31] <png> chase, exactly , http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:31] <Pluk> craps --;
[03:31] <Pluk> :)
[03:31] <encKe`> I work in IT for a small TX State funded org and we  sadly run  Win/Novell & Citrix and mainly WinXp clients. I have about converted my needs to use only Ubuntu for all administration . I have a sweet boos :)
[03:31] <Ziggity> Whats the setting in the sources.list file for Warty to find things like Anjuta and MonoDevelop
[03:32] <monoxide> how would i go back to xfree on hoary?
[03:32] <goedecke_> how to install de boot splash?
[03:32] <encKe`> boos
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: universe
[03:32] <encKe`> boss
[03:32] <encKe`> there we go
[03:32] <encKe`> lol....to many tonight
[03:32] <Pluk> monoxide, apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[03:32] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, I tried but it can't find it ???
[03:33] <monoxide> Pluk, its installed? ( i didnt check, but then again i didnt remove it?), but xorg is the default?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: apt-cache search anjuta gives me about a dozen lines here
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: did you do apt-get update ?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> or reload in synaptic
[03:34] <Pluk> if its already installed you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver , it will ask you what xserver you want to use
[03:34] <encKe`> Terminal Services Client works great, VNC works nice, Citrix is already there & SSH is a snap. Even can use Evolution for my Groupwise client. Man great job peoples :)\
[03:34] <Pluk> but i though ubunut didnt allowed xserver-xorg and xserver-xfree86 to be installed simultaniously
[03:35] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, yes I did the update
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: apt-cache policy says anjuta is in "universe" on warty - don't know for hoary but I would think it would be there
[03:36] <mseney> added a section: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc to /etc/hdparm.conf (rebooting, brb)
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: double check your /etc/apt/sources.list I think
[03:37] <Odin2347> back!
[03:37] <Odin2347> i tried ls|mod grep ath0 and nothing happened......
[03:37] <Pluk> lsmod |grep ath
[03:37] <Odin2347> ahh
[03:37] <Pluk> lol
[03:38] <Odin2347> time to run back upstairs
[03:38] <Odin2347> lol
[03:38] <Pluk> not ath0 btw
[03:38] <Pluk> mybad
[03:38] <Odin2347> ok
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: getting the command right always helps...
[03:38] <Odin2347> yea
[03:38] <|line> when chase comes back would you give him my apologys but i must reboot and reinstall, so i wont be able to help him till later
[03:38] <|line> thx
[03:38] <gumpish> +++ath0NO CARRIER
[03:38] <Odin2347> i tried adding a network connection
[03:38] <Odin2347> and then i check to activate it..
[03:38] <Odin2347> and it activates and then immediately deactivates
[03:38] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, Do you have  a copy of what it should be??
[03:38] <Ziggity> please
[03:38] <monoxide> it says that the xserver package is not installed
[03:38] <Pluk> Odin2347, i guess the drivers arent installed then
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: are you on warty?
[03:39] <Odin2347> the card is recongnized though
[03:39] <Pluk> true
[03:39] <pestilence> am i doing something wrong?  i can't get KDE to install with the "universe" and "multiverse" repositories in warty
[03:39] <Pluk> lspci just scans the pci bus
[03:39] <Pluk> has nothing to do with drivers there
[03:39] <pestilence> it claims there are uninstallable pacages
[03:39] <pestilence> *packages
[03:39] <sandeen_> daniels, if you're around and have a moment, can I ask you about bug 6841....
[03:40] <Odin2347> hmm
[03:40] <pestilence> same goes for xmms, and konqueror...won't install
[03:40] <pestilence> have they been removed?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> pestilence: you didn't comment out the "main restricted " lines, did you?
[03:40] <pestilence> thoreauputic: no
[03:40] <pestilence> thoreauputic: should i?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> no
[03:41] <thoreauputic> just checking
[03:41] <thoreauputic> pestilence: some people make that mistake
[03:41] <pestilence> what is the source for universe and multiverse?
[03:41] <pestilence> could you paste yours?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: I can send you my sources.list, but it is for warty
[03:42] <pestilence> thoreauputic: i'm using warty
[03:42] <pestilence> here's the appropriate line from mine
[03:42] <pestilence> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[03:43] <pestilence> hmmm...i did comment out the cdrom source
[03:43] <pestilence> maybe that was my mistake
[03:43] <thoreauputic> pestilence: yes, but you need all the other lines to satisfy dependencies, too
[03:43] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, I too have warty. please send my in pastebin
[03:43] <monoxide> does anyone know how i can go back to xfree instead of xorg?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: I'' dcc it to you
[03:43] <_jon_> monoxide: install the package
[03:43] <Pluk> monoxide, dit ti not work?
[03:44] <monoxide> the xserver package was not found
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: sent - please accept
[03:44] <Pluk> xserver-xfree86 is installed right?
[03:44] <baza> ello
[03:45] <Pluk> hi baza
[03:45] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, I clicked the accept button but nothing happends
[03:45] <monoxide> nope.... :/ :P
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: highlight it first
[03:45] <Pluk> well then install it lol , i just told you to do that
[03:45] <Pluk> :P
[03:45] <Ziggity> Doh!!
[03:45] <monoxide> oops... :P
[03:45] <Ziggity> thanx
[03:45] <thoreauputic> hehe ;)
[03:45] <pestilence> ah.....i think the problem was not that i commented out the "main restricted" line, but that there *wasn't* a "main restricted" line
[03:45] <Pluk> itll prolly ask to uninstall xserver-xorg
[03:46] <Ziggity> Ammm.. where will I find it by default???
[03:46] <pestilence> there was a warty-security main restricted line
[03:46] <monoxide> i am...
[03:46] <pestilence> but not a warty main restricted line
[03:46] <thoreauputic> pestilence: ah, that *would* be a problem
[03:46] <pestilence> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[03:46] <stodge> Does anyone know if the Java and Java3D SDKs are available in any Ubuntu repositories?>
[03:46] <monoxide> Pluk, yes, it does. not that im too worried about that
[03:47] <baza> I think you can find that info from ubuntuguide.org
[03:47] <Odin2347> nothing happens when i type lsmod|grep ath
[03:48] <Pluk> Odin2347, then the driver isnt installed yet
[03:48] <jakejarvis> network question: my isp blocks both port 80 and 8080. what port should i use instead?
[03:49] <Pluk> Odin2347, i guess you didnt install another kernel.. is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386 installed?
[03:49] <png> jakejarvis, maybe 3123
[03:49] <Pluk> ooops
[03:49] <jakejarvis> ok, i'll try that
[03:49] <jakejarvis> thanks
[03:49] <Pluk> linux-restricted-modules-386
[03:49] <Odin2347> im using the livecd
[03:49] <Odin2347> its kernel 2.49 i think
[03:50] <pestilence> Odin2347: uname -a
[03:50] <dolson> grr
[03:51] <Odin2347> pestilence: what does that do
[03:51] <dolson> that tells you your kernel version
[03:52] <Odin2347> uhhgh
[03:52] <Pluk> Ziggity, http://nopaste.biz/?1157 are the lines for the normal warty sources.list
[03:52] <Odin2347> i dont want to run upstairs again
[03:52] <Odin2347> lol
[03:52] <Pluk> kinda late though
[03:52] <Odin2347> isnt the live cd 2.49?
[03:52] <dolson> you'll look like Richard Simmons by the time you get that working ;)
[03:52] <pestilence> Odin2347: tells you what kernel you are running
[03:52] <Odin2347> lol
[03:53] <Odin2347> no one knows what kernel the live cd is?
[03:53] <thor|cornershop> Odin2347: there is no 2.49 kernel
[03:53] <Odin2347> oh
[03:53] <Pluk> 2.4.29 is latest 2.4 kernel
[03:53] <Odin2347> well i thought there was
[03:53] <pestilence> i would guess it's a 2.6 kernel....
[03:53] <pestilence> but that's a guess
[03:53] <thor|cornershop> Odin2347: typing uname -a or uname -r will tell you
[03:53] <thor|cornershop> gotta go
[03:53] <chase> how can i setup a custom keybind in gnome? all its ones in the keyboard shortcuts app are preset?
[03:53] <Odin2347> hmm
[03:54] <Ronald> hea guys
[03:54] <Odin2347> ill have to journey up 2 floors
[03:54] <pestilence> Odin2347: why don't you setup ssh while you are at it :)
[03:54] <Odin2347> ssh?
[03:54] <dolson> Odin2347: the old-fashioned StairMaster :)
[03:54] <pestilence> save you some legwork
[03:54] <Pluk> :D
[03:54] <Odin2347> lol
[03:54] <Odin2347> hehe
[03:54] <johnnybezak> can you pick packages to install with ubuntu?
[03:54] <pestilence> Odin2347: nevermind )
[03:54] <pestilence> :)
[03:54] <johnnybezak> (when you install it)
[03:55] <dolson> what about VNC? do you know what VNC is, Odin2347?
[03:55] <Odin2347> no..
[03:55] <dolson> up the stairs you go
[03:55] <pestilence> haha
[03:55] <Ronald> how good is ubuntu compared to mepis?
[03:55] <png> Odin2347, do u have a working nic interface ?
[03:55] <pestilence> ubuntu is orders of magnitudes better, of course.
[03:55] <Pluk> configuring wireless is great for yur health
[03:55] <Odin2347> png how do i know
[03:55] <dolson> mepis is another Debian-based distro
[03:55] <Ronald> is it easy to install the nvidia driver in it?
[03:56] <Odin2347> i know basically nothing about networking
[03:56] <dolson> Ronald: I'm struggling with that right now
[03:56] <johnnybezak> vnc is remote admin
[03:56] <johnnybezak> so that you can see the desktop and admin it graphically
[03:56] <Ronald> i have both the install cd and live cd burned off
[03:56] <Odin2347> ahh
[03:56] <dolson> Ronald: I got the driver installed, and it *sounds* like it should be working fine (the sound plays if I type my login and password) BUT the problem is that I can't actually SEE anything happening on my monitor
[03:56] <Ronald> but made a disc of gnoppix
[03:57] <png> Odin2347, can u surf with the upper pc?
[03:57] <Odin2347> no
[03:57] <Ronald> without should i install ubuntu or the gnoppix?
[03:57] <png> Odin2347, can u ping it's eth0 adress ?
[03:58] <dolson> Ronald: I only tried Knoppix before, but Ubuntu has impressed me so far (on my laptop) and I'm a Debian guy... been running Sid for over 2 years now
[03:58] <Odin2347> png how do i do that
[03:58] <Ronald> got slack 10.1 on now but cant get sound to work it keeps locking up
[03:58] <johnnybezak> ubuntu is good, but lacks some packages which are annoying
[03:59] <Odin2347> if it wasnt connected wouldnt it not have an eth0 address?
[03:59] <dolson> Ronald: I ordered a few copies of the discs and they came in not long ago. within two days I had only one copy left - kept giving them to friends, and now they're asking me questions, so I'm installing it on my system so I can help them out
[03:59] <Ronald> which would be better for a newbie
[03:59] <Odin2347> mepis
[03:59] <png> Odin2347, if u has two interfaces u should have eth0
[03:59] <png> have*
[03:59] <Ronald> i like how gnome looks though
[03:59] <Odin2347> i do have eth0
[03:59] <Odin2347> gnome sucks :/
[03:59] <Ronald> kde is too windows ese
[04:00] <johnnybezak> fluxbox is best :)
[04:00] <png> Odin2347, i can selL one:)
[04:00] <dolson> Ronald: I came from Mandrake originally (long ago), and I recommend Ubuntu now, as opposed to Mandrake
[04:00] <Ronald> got simplaymepis 3.3 already burned off
[04:00] <Odin2347> simply mepis 3.3 has sound issues
[04:00] <dolson> Ronald: if you burned all this distros, why not just try them all?
[04:00] <johnnybezak> i'd go for gentoo :P
[04:00] <Pluk> i used debian for 2 years too
[04:00] <Nirbo> What's wrong with Windowsesque ;p? Their GUI is one of the least annoying parts of their whole setup :p...
[04:00] <tomaraya> What program would I want to install for burning CDs?
[04:00] <png> Odin2347, do u know whatis eth0's adress?
[04:00] <johnnybezak> k3b
[04:01] <Odin2347> no
[04:01] <johnnybezak> for burning
[04:01] <Nirbo> tomaraya: k3b, definently.
[04:01] <tomaraya> k3b?
[04:01] <tomaraya> Thanks!
[04:01] <dolson> I wish there was a g3b
[04:01] <Nirbo> It's a KDE frontend for cdrecord.
[04:01] <Pluk> gentoo is great for learning
[04:01] <Nirbo> Gentoo is just too much work :p.
[04:01] <johnnybezak> the download will take a while, cos its got to install some kde libs
[04:01] <Odin2347> gentoo is evil
[04:01] <johnnybezak> Nirbo: the install is
[04:01] <Odin2347> im scared of it
[04:01] <johnnybezak> it works rediculously well once its set up though
[04:01] <Pluk> now have a gentoo ubuntu dualboot
[04:01] <dolson> I didn't learn anything when I installed Gentoo. I followed each step mindlessly and in the end (13 hours later) I could finally boot into X
[04:02] <Odin2347> satanic messages and symbols flying accross my screen for 2 days...i dont think so
[04:02] <tomaraya> What about for gnome?
[04:02] <kakalto> does anyone here know about Multi-Theft-Auto
[04:02] <kakalto> ?
[04:02] <Pluk> ubuntu has way better acpi support though then gentoo
[04:02] <johnnybezak> tomaraya: just use k3b its the best
[04:02] <Pluk> acpi for laptops that is
[04:02] <Nirbo> johnnybezak: The install is needless >p. I personally run FreeBSD. binary install, source rebuild. That's what Gentoo needs to do... although you CAN install Gentoo via packages... it's just not well accepted :p.
[04:02] <tomaraya> Ok, I'll go check it out.
[04:02] <Nirbo> tomaraya: I think Gnome has... cdbakeoven?... I never card much for it.
[04:02] <jdub> tomaraya: what do you want to burn? data, images, isos?
[04:02] <johnnybezak> Nirbo: I agree man
[04:02] <Nirbo> s/card/cared
[04:03] <dolson> tomaraya: I stick to GTK apps myself, or more like I stay away from KDE apps... I use xcdroast, but it's not as good as K3B. But if you're like me, maybe check that out too.
[04:03] <tomaraya> I'll be burning data, images, mp3s, isos...
[04:04] <johnnybezak> will the next version of ubuntu have better multimedia support?
[04:04] <jdub> tomaraya: with nautilus, you can easily burn isos and general data, but you can't make audio cds or do tricky multisession stuff
[04:04] <dolson> tomaraya: I like K3B, just don't like the K part. :)
[04:04] <Nirbo> johnnybezak: Yeah, other than that, Gentoo is a fine Linux. I love the pacjage management system... although they're nto really package friendly either... Packages exist, but you're not "l337" if you use them :p... I mean, there are some things I don't care to configure :p... and waiting hours for those to compile is the killer :p
[04:04] <jdub> johnnybezak: for free codecs, sure. but not for proprietary codecs, dvds, etc.
[04:04] <Tuxicity> jdub, can Nautilus burn .ISO files other than the ones it makes itself?
[04:04] <Odin2347> im 1337 because i use linux and i cant get anything to work :P
[04:04] <jdub> Tuxicity: of course
[04:05] <chase> how can i make a deb install file out of tar.gz source?
[04:05] <tomaraya> jdub: I see, thanks.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> why cant you install mplayer
[04:05] <tomaraya> Hmm, when I run k3b I get like 200 errors.
[04:05] <tomaraya> 4x24/stock/navigation not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/net not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/object not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/table not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/text not valid.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> and just not have the proprietary codecs
[04:05] <tomaraya> But it still starts.
[04:05] <Tuxicity> jdub, I just tried though and it finished in 5 seconds and the CD is a coaster... any idea what went wrong?
[04:05] <jdub> johnnybezak: you can, it's in multiverse.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> that happens with lots of things tomaraya
[04:05] <jdub> Tuxicity: nup.
[04:05] <teratorn> tomaraya: I've never found a KDE app that didn't throw *some* kind of error(s)
[04:05] <dolson> haha
[04:05] <tomaraya> johnnybezak, just disregard it then?
[04:05] <johnnybezak> jdub: hmm i think my sources file is very broken
[04:05] <tomaraya> teratorn, haha..! Ok, then no worries.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> tomaraya: yeah dont worry about it
[04:06] <Ronald> so is it pretty easy to install ubuntu?
[04:06] <tfh> yup
[04:06] <dolson> ok, I'm just going to copy my XF86Config file from my old Debian install and see if that works. I was hoping to see that Ubuntu Just Works, even with NVIDIA drivers, but apparently it still needs some work
[04:06] <dolson> Ronald: it's easier to install than Windows
[04:07] <johnnybezak> Ronald: piss easy, you could do it with your eyes shut
[04:07] <Ronald> cant ya just use the driver from nvidia
[04:07] <johnnybezak> dolson: no linux "just works"
[04:07] <dolson> the first time I installed it, I was like "wtf, I thought I put the install disc, not the live cd"
[04:07] <Pluk> lol
[04:07] <dolson> well, not quite. but you get the idea. ;)
[04:08] <Nirbo> 70% of any given distro "just works" :p... It's the 30% otherwise that'll drive you mad ;)
[04:08] <Nirbo> And that 30% usually includes sound :p. Oh how i hate ALSA.
[04:08] <Ronald> what version of firefox is installed?
[04:08] <dolson> johnnybezak: true, true. but I would prefer to do things the "Ubuntu Way" know what I mean? the instructions out there don't work for me
[04:08] <Odin2347> sound works fine for meits wireless that makes me want to kill someone
[04:09] <Nirbo> wireless :D Another favourite in Linux/BSD circles ;) If it doesn't drive you mad, you obviously gave up too soon.
[04:09] <Odin2347> i already gave up
[04:09] <dolson> I never had good luck with wireless at all yet... on any distro. that's why I don't own my own PCMCIA card yet, because I want to research it before I buy so I know what will plug and go
[04:09] <johnnybezak> can some one point me to a vanilla sources.list file for ubuntu so that I can start again
[04:09] <Ronald> can i install thunderbird in it
[04:09] <Odin2347> i researched my card
[04:09] <Odin2347> before i bought it
[04:10] <johnnybezak> dolson: my old imac's wireless just worked out of the box with yellow dog 3
[04:10] <Odin2347> its supposed to "work out of the box" on linux
[04:10] <dolson> Odin2347: on "Linux 9.0" ?
[04:10] <johnnybezak> ...famous last words
[04:10] <Tarkus> hello
[04:10] <Ronald>  or can i get it though synaptic
[04:10] <Pluk> hi Tarkus
[04:10] <Odin2347> dolson haha no
[04:10] <johnnybezak> Ronald: yep
[04:10] <Ronald> ok
[04:11] <dolson> Ronald: I just checked, and yes
[04:11] <Odin2347> according to the ubuntu hardware database its supposed to work out of the box
[04:11] <Ronald> how do i do it
[04:11] <Odin2347> its detected but doesnt work
[04:11] <Pluk> Odin2347, is linux-restricted-modules-386 installed?
[04:11] <dolson> Ronald: you can use synaptic, or open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[04:11] <Odin2347> and there arent any drivers for it loaded when i check lsmod
[04:11] <sharke> hello
[04:11] <Odin2347> i have no idea im using the live cd
[04:11] <Tarkus> yo, im looking to buy a new pc, anyone have any recomendations where to shop online?? iv only got $1,000.00 to spend :D
[04:12] <Pluk> ah indeed
[04:12] <Odin2347> i have 21gig free on my hd on another partition
[04:12] <Pluk> forgot about that already
[04:12] <Odin2347> should i install  it/
[04:12] <dolson> Tarkus: dude, you're gettin' a Dell
[04:12] <xurtum> I tried to install warty under vmware on Windows, but it failed
[04:12] <Odin2347> nooooo!
[04:12] <Odin2347> dont get the dell!
[04:12] <Tarkus> lol
[04:12] <Odin2347> stay far far away from dell
[04:12] <xurtum> I'm not sure if it's because of vmware or because of my cd
[04:12] <Odin2347> build it
[04:12] <dolson> xurtum: a friend of mine installed it in VMware with the pressed CD, no issues
[04:13] <xurtum> maybe I have a bad burn
[04:13] <Pluk> if you dont have to but a TFT then 1000 is enough to buy a nice machine
[04:13] <Pluk> s/but/buy
[04:13] <Odin2347> i got my LCD 17" for $140
[04:13] <xurtum> thanks, dolson, I'll try capturing the iso
[04:13] <xurtum> and install from that
[04:13] <dolson> xurtum: no prob. you could order a pressed disc too :)
[04:13] <Tarkus> cause id like lots of speed (at least 3GB) and RAM (at least 700MB)
[04:13] <xurtum> true dat
[04:13] <Tarkus> could 1000 bucks get a machine like that online?
[04:14] <Pluk> easy
[04:14] <dolson> 3GB CPU? no way, not for under 1000 bucks
[04:14] <Pluk> 3Ghz he means
[04:14] <Nirbo> 3Ghz CPU would probably run half of it :p.
[04:14] <Odin2347> more like 3ghz ;)
[04:14] <Nirbo> At best ;)
[04:14] <dolson> oh, I thought he wanted 3GB of cache
[04:14] <Pluk> lol
[04:14] <Nirbo> Not many CPUs have a L3 Cache of 2MB, let alone 3GB ;)
[04:15] <Pluk> installing ubuntu in lvl3 cache
[04:15] <Pluk> :)
[04:15] <dolson> that'd be sweet
[04:15] <dolson> ok, I need to get this driver working and stop chatting! damn friendly community
[04:15] <Odin2347> Tarkus: get yours a nice socket 939 motherboard PCI-E get an AMD 64 3400+ a gig of dual channel RAM and a 6600Gt nvidia vid card
[04:15] <Tarkus> Pluk: where should i go for a 30GHz/700MB RAM??
[04:16] <Odin2347> should be under $1000
[04:16] <Odin2347> build it!
[04:16] <Odin2347> and get a better computer and save more money
[04:16] <Pluk> justa small computershop
[04:16] <Tuxicity> does Natilus use cdrecord to burn?
[04:16] <Tarkus> hmm, im useless when it comes to building (not familiar with pc hardware)
[04:17] <Pluk> Tarkus, dont have a friend who can assist?
[04:17] <Tarkus> yes i do accualy
[04:17] <Tarkus> lol
[04:17] <Tarkus> forgot
[04:17] <Odin2347> well then
[04:17] <Pluk> get him a sixpack :)
[04:17] <Odin2347> check out www.tigerdirect.com
[04:17] <thor|cornershop> Tarkus: for 30 Ghz you need a time machine ;-)
[04:17] <Tuxicity> Tarkus, it's all explained in manuals anyway
[04:17] <zyme> is there like a limit on the amount of songs rythm box can load?
[04:17] <Odin2347> yea for 30ghz prepare to go 15-20 years in the future
[04:18] <Tarkus> thor|cornershop: lol, i ment 3GHz
[04:18] <SiliconViper> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[04:18] <SiliconViper>   libgda2-common
[04:18] <Odin2347> Intel or AMD?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: I know ;-) Couldn't resist....
[04:18] <SiliconViper> This seems like a bad thing.
[04:18] <SiliconViper> Amd I wrong?
[04:18] <Odin2347> AMD 64s kick pentuim 4 butt
[04:18] <Pluk> i remeber rythmbox took quit some time to load 5000 songs
[04:18] <SiliconViper> *am
[04:19] <SiliconViper> Pluk, yeah... rythmbox didn't like my 7000+, I ended up using zinf
[04:19] <Pluk> beep-media-player does it effortless though
[04:19] <thoreauputic> SiliconViper: if those packages are from an unsupported repository, it's just complaining they aren't official
[04:19] <SiliconViper> thoreauputic, oh, okay!
[04:19] <SiliconViper> Thanks.
[04:19] <Cindux> woo my floppes work now :P
[04:19] <Pluk> hmmm dont know zinf
[04:19] <Cindux> just another command line related newb question
[04:19] <SiliconViper> Pluk, it's pretty nice.
[04:19] <Odin2347> can anyone point me in the way of a solution to my wireless problem or a distro that will work with it out of the box??
[04:20] <SiliconViper> Pluk, I still use XMMS, mostly, because I enjoy my xmms-infopipe plugin.
[04:20] <Cindux> i want to move a gimp pattern i made to the patterns folder but i dont have the permissions to do it ?
[04:20] <Cindux> how can i do it in the command line ?
[04:20] <Pluk> yeah same here SiliconViper
[04:20] <Pluk> beel mediaplayer is enhanced xmms actually
[04:20] <Pluk> deep*
[04:20] <Pluk> AA fonts
[04:21] <Tuxicity> Pluk, u mean beep
[04:21] <SiliconViper> Pluk, not true. beep is a variation, but not enhanced.
[04:21] <Pluk> yeah indeed not enhanced just a split of
[04:21] <Pluk> but i do like those fance aa fonts
[04:21] <Pluk> fancy
[04:21] <thoreauputic> simplified
[04:21] <Pluk> craps my typing stinks*
[04:21] <SiliconViper> Pluk, the main issue I have with beep is that it when I feed it a path with subdirectories, and not all files are audio, it complains about not being able to find a playback handler for jpegs.
[04:22] <SiliconViper> ;p
[04:22] <Pluk> ah dunno bout that
[04:22] <tfh> for playing music i use mpd + mpc/ncmpc/gnomempc
[04:22] <SiliconViper> It still works, but when I've got 600 jpegs or more... that's annoying.
[04:22] <Pluk> just have pure mp3 in my music dir
[04:22] <Odin2347> no help?
[04:22] <tfh> it rocks everything i used before :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> SiliconViper: really? hey, xmms plays jpegs real well *cough*
[04:22] <SiliconViper> Pluk, I've got Ogg Vorbis, and album covers.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> :))
[04:22] <Cindux> bla lol
[04:22] <SiliconViper> thoreauputic, nah, but it doesn't complain about it.
[04:22] <Cindux> im gonna ask my uber question :"D
[04:22] <Pluk> Odin2347, prolly the madwifi thingy isnt in the livecd
[04:23] <Cindux> how do i move a file somewhere in the command line when i dont have the permissions to do so ?
[04:23] <Cindux> ( command line newb :D )
[04:23] <Odin2347> Pluk is it in the install version?
[04:23] <Pluk> yes it is
[04:23] <tfh> well if u do't have the permissions using the cl won't help
[04:23] <Odin2347> are you sure?
[04:23] <Pluk> possitive
[04:23] <Odin2347> good
[04:23] <Tuxicity> Cindux, maybe use sudo?
[04:23] <tfh> u need the permissions or at least the password of someone who has (root for example)
[04:23] <Cindux> well yeah ive actually moved files before
[04:24] <Odin2347> then i will download it and install it tommorrow
[04:24] <Cindux> its jus i dont know the command
[04:24] <Cindux> i know its sudo mv something lol..
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> on the bootable...
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> su?
[04:24] <tfh> sudo mv sourcepath destpath
[04:24] <Cindux> tried that
[04:24] <Cindux> said it wasnt a dir ?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> Cindux: did you try su?
[04:24] <tfh> if u move more than one file u need to have a dir as destpath
[04:24] <Cindux> sudo mv /home/cindux/desktop/scanline.pat /usr/share/gimp/2.0/patterns
[04:25] <Cindux> its jus 1
[04:25] <thoreauputic> Cindux: well you might need to do mkdir first
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> -R
[04:25] <Cindux> ?
[04:25] <Cindux> hm
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> add the -R for recursive
[04:25] <_jon_> mv shouldn't need a -R
[04:25] <Ronald> anyone here a gnoppix user?
[04:25] <tfh> no
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> make sure the folder you want it in exists
[04:25] <Cindux> so sudo mv -r source destination ?
[04:25] <Cindux> oh ye it does
[04:25] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda: looks like he's moving a file though
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:26] <Cindux> ive been in it in the cl
[04:26] <Cindux> ye
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> single file then it should work outright
[04:26] <tfh> Cindux, man mv
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:26] <Cindux> im simply trying to move a pattern into the gimp patterns folder :(
[04:26] <Cindux> i tried mv
[04:26] <Ronald> would i be better off with ubuntu than slack
[04:26] <Cindux> lol
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> Cindux: are you using bootable or install?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> tfh: hey, we don't do the RTFM thing around here ! *grin*
[04:27] <Cindux> install
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic: we aske you
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:27] <Pluk> nothing wrong pointing to man
[04:27] <tfh> thoreauputic, oh come on ubuntu is forked from debian so we're forked from jerks ???
[04:27] <Pluk> LOL
[04:27] <thoreauputic> tfh: hehe
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> Cindux: sudo cp file folder
[04:28] <teratorn> Ronald: yes
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> as in copy file to a folder/
[04:28] <Cindux> sudo cp /home/cindux/desktop/scanline.pat then the destination dir ?
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:28] <thoreauputic> tfh: I have two debian installs here, so I *must* be a jerk ;-)
[04:28] <tfh> is scanline.pat a dir or a file ?
[04:28] <Ronald> is gnoppix installable?
[04:28] <tfh> thoreauputic, same here my server runs woody
[04:28] <Cindux> a file on my desktop
[04:29] <thoreauputic> tfh: yeah I have an old box running woody here - it's indestructible
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> and the password would be the one you entered when you installed ubuntu
[04:29] <tfh> then sudo cp /home/cindux/desktop/scanline.pat /path/to/destdir will do it
[04:29] <Cindux> k thanks
[04:29] <Pluk> in a nongay kinda way
[04:29] <Cindux> ill go try that
[04:29] <Cindux> brb
[04:29] <Odin2347> night everyone
[04:29] <Pluk> nite Odin2347
[04:29] <Odin2347> i have 2 days to do a ton of homework and read a book
[04:29] <Odin2347> lol
[04:30] <Odin2347> well 1 and tonight
[04:30] <Tuxicity> Odin2347, good luck
[04:30] <Odin2347> yea
[04:30] <Odin2347> linux basically stole my vacation :P
[04:30] <tfh> thoreauputic, i'm getting tired of woody what are they waiting for to release sarge ....
[04:30] <_blue> ahah...wow....so i just booted up two of my ubuntu live cd's that i just got, BOTH of them didnt work...
[04:30] <Pluk> and a great vacation you have now :D
[04:31] <Odin2347> lol
[04:31] <_blue> i ordered like 20, wow that was a waste of wating for them
[04:31] <Odin2347> 8 days
[04:31] <Odin2347> and 10 distros
[04:31] <Odin2347> lol
[04:31] <Pluk> LOL
[04:31] <tfh> waaah
[04:31] <thoreauputic> tfh: you know the line "Sarge will release When it's Ready (tm) "
[04:31] <Pluk> nerd!
[04:31] <Odin2347> ubuntu is the closest ive come to getting one that works so far
[04:31] <tfh> lol 10 distros
[04:31] <Odin2347> yea
[04:32] <tfh> i did 3 seriously debian, gentoo, ubuntu and i've been using linux for two years
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: we know who to ask about installation techniques then ;-)
[04:32] <Odin2347> knoppix kanotix debian mandrake fedora core 3 redhat 9 ubuntu mepis pro beta 04 mepis simply mepis 3.3 and gentoo
[04:32] <tfh> lol
[04:32] <xurtum> odin, what kind of wireless card do you have?
[04:32] <Odin2347> dlink g520
[04:32] <tfh> do a rond-up
[04:32] <Odin2347> atheros version
[04:32] <xurtum> does that use the broadcom chipset?
[04:32] <tfh> round-up and review their installers
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> OddAbe19: that works out of box
[04:32] <Ronald> should i install ubuntu or gnoppix?
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> Atheros chipset
[04:32] <xurtum> ah.
[04:33] <xurtum> ok, never mind
[04:33] <Odin2347> no it doesn't
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: hey, you missed linux from Scratch :)
[04:33] <Pluk> gnoppix is ubuntu livecd now
[04:33] <Odin2347> hehe
[04:33] <tfh> nomasteryoda, nice use of tab completion in irc lol
[04:33] <Odin2347> it is?!!??
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:33] <Ronald> says that a guy installed it from the website
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> tfh, busy fixing fool's win98 box
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> distracting
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> pos
[04:34] <tfh> fixing win98 :  start - turn off (it's fixed AND secure) gl man
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> Odin2347: i have an SMC and ATT brands with Atheros ..... work fine with Ubuntu
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> et al
[04:35] <thoreauputic> tfh: fixing win98 >> fdisk/mbr >> install linux
[04:35] <Pluk> if a guy asked me to fix his win98 box ill ask  ?50 an hour and no guarantees
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic: i agree
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> but he is working in a school system and some sites ... like the teach site will not work with firefox, etc. on linux
[04:36] <tfh> nomasteryoda, well xcept i don't have time anymore to install other people's linux and maintain it.
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> he's all for it tho
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:36] <jimmyy> Bonsoir
[04:36] <tfh> bonsoir
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> I get them going then leave
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> they pay me to fix winders
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> linux i don't need to fix
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:37] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda: some guy on slashdot made a program that automatically wipes windows and installs linux - forget what it was called
[04:37] <jimmyy> tfh franais ?
[04:37] <tfh> what i like with linux : ssh makes fixing my parents computer so much faster :) ( no more clicking through the phone)
[04:37] <Pluk> installing linux isa waste of good bussiness for yu :)
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> oooh, nice
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> maybe a virus would do that
[04:37] <tfh> jimmyy, oui mais il faut parler anglais ici
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> ESR wants one that does
[04:38] <thoreauputic> tfh: pas toujours :)
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> Pluk: but it makes people like me =)
[04:38] <tfh> thoreauputic, lol i always thought talking in language other than english on general irc channels was rude,
[04:38] <Pluk> :D
[04:39] <thoreauputic> tfh: yeah I guess ;)
[04:39] <jimmyy> C'est juste un petit soucis avec nautilus... allons vite fais sur le canal french alors ? je suis plus  l'aise en francais...
[04:39] <tfh> jimmyy c koi l canal french ?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> jimmyy: yeah, #ubuntu-fr peut-etre
[04:39] <jimmyy> un canal pour l'occasion :)
[04:40] <tfh> k gogogo #ubuntu-fr
[04:42] <aroman> hey. I just installed ubuntu on a second computer. How can I configure it to share the printer that's already configured on my main system?
[04:42] <Pluk> nite all!
[04:42] <pestilence> aroman: ipp
[04:43] <pestilence> aroman: cups/ipp
[04:43] <aroman> pestilence, how do I do that?
[04:43] <pestilence> something like ipp://machine.address.here/printers/printer-name-goes-here
[04:43] <tfh> good night everyone
[04:43] <aroman> pestilence, ah... and what should I select for the driver?
[04:43] <aroman> my printer's model name?
[04:44] <pestilence> aroman: the driver for your printer, of course
[04:44] <aroman> ok
[04:45] <jimmyy> Please : i can't open a file with nautilus
[04:46] <very> pestilence: I have somewhat the same problem. I can't print to my Ubuntu samba server from my Ubuntu workstation? My print jobs just seem to dissappear.
[04:46] <pestilence> very: why are you using samba
[04:46] <jimmyy> because the mime is html, but my file is php
[04:46] <pestilence> very: do you have CUPS installed on the server?  use ipp
[04:46] <very> pestilence: well I have my wife's Windows machine which prints just fine to my Samba server.
[04:47] <aroman> pestilence, well I did what you suggested. But I cannot print to my printer. It shows up as Paused... :( weird...
[04:47] <ions> if I want to run a command from the gnome menu that requres me to be su how do I do it?
[04:47] <pestilence> ions: open up a terminal and type "sudo (command)"
[04:47] <ions> yes I know
[04:47] <pestilence> aroman: is the printer paused :)
[04:48] <aroman> pestilence, :) no it isn't... the job doesn't show up here (where the printer is installed)
[04:48] <ions> but I have an app that others will sue from my machine that requires to be run as root
[04:48] <ions> I don't want to give my pass for them to use it
[04:48] <pestilence> very: nevertheless, i think ipp is a preferable solution
[04:49] <pestilence> very: you could look in your samba logs if you really want to figure out what's going on with samba
[04:49] <aroman> pestilence, which doesn't work in some cases :(
[04:50] <pestilence> aroman: perhaps a peek in the cups log would give some insight
[04:50] <very> Pestilence: that might help. I read somewhere on the web that I might need to have a user set up on my server with the same username and password as the Ubuntu workstation. Does this make any sense?
[04:50] <pestilence> aroman: maybe you need to tell cups to listen on a different network interface?
[04:50] <pestilence> very: yes, that makes sense
[04:51] <pestilence> very: well....
[04:51] <johnnybezak> has someone got a vanilla sources.list file that i could copy?
[04:51] <pestilence> very: how did you set up the windows machine?
[04:51] <pestilence> very: did it require a password?
[04:52] <very> pestilence: With windows machines you just add a printer and search the network for the Samba printer. It works every time.
[04:52] <pestilence> ions: perhaps you should look into setuid?
[04:52] <ions> ok
[04:52] <pestilence> very: interesting...
[04:53] <very> pestilence: when I do this on the Ubuntu workstation the printer can be seen and seems to setup fine but the jobs don't print.
[04:53] <pestilence> very: and what shows up in the logs?
[04:54] <very> pestilence: I'm such a newbie I've never used logs. I may have to. the problem may have something to do with passwords.
[04:55] <pestilence> very: the logs should give you a very good idea about that
[04:55] <pestilence> very: look around in /var/log/samba or similar
[04:55] <elec> how do i create a boot disk in ubuntu?
[04:55] <very> pestilence: do you think Linux requires a user on the server which I could then use that user name and password to print.
[04:56] <very> pestilence: if I remember right it asks for a password but none of mine worked.
[04:56] <pestilence> aroman: so, i think you might need to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf...look for the section marked "Network Options"
[04:56] <pestilence> very: it depends on how samba is setup
[04:56] <thoreauputic> elec: mkboot
[04:57] <pestilence> very: if there is a user on the server with the same username as the username on the machine you are printing from, then you should log in as that user on the server and type "smbpasswd"
[04:57] <pestilence> that may fix it
[04:57] <thoreauputic> elec: I haven't tried it with a 2.6 kernel - it might not fit, don't know - worth a try
[04:58] <aroman> pestilence, I tried setting the Listen directive... I added my IP address:631 but that did not fix it :(
[04:58] <pestilence> aroman: in mine, i have Port 631 and #Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:631 (note this is commented out)
[04:58] <pestilence> aroman: did you restart cups?
[04:58] <elec> thanks thoreauputic
[04:58] <pestilence> aroman: i think that is all you have to do...
[04:59] <aroman> pestilence, I did restart cups... I'll try it the way you have it setup..
[05:00] <aroman> so then it should be ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/printers/DeskJet-3820?
[05:00] <pestilence> aroman: yes
[05:00] <aroman> okie..
[05:01] <pestilence> aroman: you can also look at http://localhost:631/printers and see what that says (on the print server)
[05:01] <very> pestilence: "smbpasswd" I thought I might have to look into that command some more. I'm still spinning my wheels but this should give me some direction
[05:01] <johnnybezak> can someone help me out I'm trying to install mplayer for ppc, i have multiverse available and the fonts and skins packages show up, but when I try and install them it says that mplayer (which is a dependancy of the fonts) cant be installed. can anyone help?
[05:02] <pestilence> very: basically, your samba password is most likely not synced with your /etc/passwd password...the "smbpasswd" command sets the samba password
[05:02] <pestilence> johnnybezak: in my experience, it is better to install mplayer from source
[05:02] <pestilence> johnnybezak: or use xine
[05:03] <johnnybezak> pestilence: i've tried installing from source, and i get make errors :P
[05:03] <pestilence> johnnybezak: what are the errors?  you probably need to install some -dev packages
[05:03] <aroman> pestilence, hmm it still doesn't print :(
[05:03] <eclipse> fff
[05:04] <pestilence> libx11-dev libgtk-dev libpng12-dev for starters
[05:04] <Ronald> installing ubuntu right now on a p2-350
[05:04] <pestilence> aroman: :-(  did you look in the logs?  /var/log/cups/error_log
[05:04] <johnnybezak> pestilence: i'm not sure will it be logged somewhere or will i have to try and make it again?
[05:04] <very> pestilence: I wondered why windows doesn't seem to care but Linux requires smbpasswd.
[05:04] <aroman> pestilence, I will look now
[05:04] <pestilence> johnnybezak: it should tell you when you type "./configure"
[05:05] <johnnybezak> ok hold on
[05:05] <johnnybezak> pestilence: i can't remember getting any configure errors, just when i typed make it didn't work
[05:05] <pestilence> very: that i'm not sure of.
[05:05] <aroman> pestilence, Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)
[05:06] <pestilence> johnnybezak: oh.
[05:06] <aroman> pestilence, that's what's in there..
[05:06] <eclipse> kff
[05:06] <aroman> pestilence, so I guess cups isnt' sharing the printer? :S
[05:06] <johnnybezak> pestilence: yeah sux
[05:06] <very> aroman: pestilence has been helping me with my printing problem. My problem sure sounds a lot like yours
[05:07] <pestilence> aroman: whoops, there is something i forgot...sorry
[05:07] <aroman> pestilence, ?
[05:07] <Bandit> johnnybezak your trying to install mplayer?
[05:07] <pestilence> aroman: look under <Location /printers> in cups.conf
[05:07] <aroman> very, you are trying to use samba aren't you?
[05:07] <johnnybezak> Bandit: yeah and struggling
[05:07] <pestilence> cupsd.conf
[05:07] <delltony> hi can anyone recommend a download manager for ubuntu that will work with flashgot?
[05:07] <pestilence> Allow From 192.168.2.*
[05:08] <Bandit> johnnybezak your using ubuntu?
[05:08] <pestilence> aroman: that is almost certainly the problem
[05:08] <aroman> pestilence, <Location /printers> is commented out :(
[05:08] <very> oroman: yes the printer seems fine but the print jobs just don't print.
[05:08] <joeblow1234> If I have compiled something from source a few months ago, and don't know how to remove all of the files it installed, is it safe to compile and install a new version overtop of the old version?
[05:08] <johnnybezak> Bandit: yeah 4.1 ppc
[05:08] <Tuxicity> delltony, Downloader for X
[05:08] <Bandit> johnnybezak have you tried to install using synaptic
[05:09] <aroman> pestilence, ok so I uncommented it, and added the line you suggested... I'll try that
[05:09] <pestilence> aroman: good
[05:09] <very> aroman: I'm sure I could install a local printer and it would work fine but I just can't print to my Ubuntu server.
[05:09] <thoreauputic> pestilence: this sounds absurdly obscure - how is the average user supposed to know this kind of stuff ? grrrr
[05:09] <pestilence> thoreauputic: ?
[05:09] <aroman> pestilence, what do YOU have under <Location /printer> ? any Order Allow,Deny stuff?
[05:09] <delltony> i have tried d4x but for some reason i keep getting gdk-critical erros
[05:09] <johnnybezak> Bandit: when i look in synaptic mplayer itself doesnt show up, the fonts and skins do but thats it
[05:09] <delltony> any idea on that Tuxicity ?
[05:09] <pestilence> <Location /printers>
[05:09] <pestilence> Order Deny,Allow
[05:09] <pestilence> Deny From All
[05:09] <pestilence> Allow From <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:09] <pestilence> Allow From 192.168.100.*

[05:10] <Tuxicity> delltony, Im on Warty. Are u on Hoary? It works well for me on Warty...
[05:10] <thoreauputic> pestilence: I mean, setting up network printing should be easier - no criticism of your knowledge :)
[05:10] <pestilence> thoreauputic: i agree...
[05:10] <delltony> yeah i'm running array 5
[05:10] <eclipse> anyone in here knows any good P2P apps?
[05:10] <ions> nicotine
[05:10] <delltony> but did you install any gtk packages?
[05:10] <pestilence> thoreauputic: there may be a more user-friendly way, i'm just going with what i did...
[05:10] <ions> giFT
[05:10] <Bandit> johnnybezak take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org, you may have to edit your sources
[05:10] <aroman> pestilence, all right Thanks :)
[05:10] <JDahl> eclipse, rsync, scp...
[05:11] <pestilence> aroman: work?
[05:11] <delltony> cause it appears that it doesn't work with anything higher than 2.4.1
[05:11] <aroman> pestilence, bingo :D printer started printing :D
[05:11] <pestilence> aroman: cool
[05:11] <johnnybezak> Bandit: will do
[05:11] <aroman> pestilence, thanks a lot man :)
[05:11] <delltony> and gaim 2.2 uses 2.6
[05:11] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:11] <pestilence> aroman: np
[05:11] <Tuxicity> delltony, gtk packages? no way, just d4x, Firefox and flashgot, man!
[05:11] <monoxide> :( xfree didnt fix my segfault problems...
[05:12] <delltony> hm any chance you can find the version your running of d4x and maybe the path to the deb file?
[05:12] <aroman> pestilence, what's weird though is that it prints in colour, even though I tell it not to :(
[05:13] <pestilence> aroman: hmmm...
[05:13] <Tuxicity> delltony, d4x 2.5.0rc4
[05:13] <very> aroman: what did you do to get the printer finally to work? Help
[05:13] <delltony> oh i'm running 2.5.0rel-1
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> is amd64 supposed to be much more unstable than x86
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> and are my own home brewn kernels supposed to be a half order of magnitude stabler?
[05:14] <aroman> very, edited <Location /printers>, removed Listen directive added Port 631 in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[05:14] <delltony> interesting do me a favor please Tuxicity
[05:14] <aroman> very, then added printer as ipp://ip.add.ress/printers/DeskJet-3820
[05:14] <zyme> does the knoppix live cd have qt-parted on it?
[05:14] <aroman> :)
[05:14] <delltony> in the shell type d4x and tell me if you get any gdk-critical error
[05:14] <aroman> pestilence, nm... I think gnome-cups-manager only prints in colour...
[05:15] <pestilence> aroman: that doesn't sound right
[05:15] <zyme> i made my /var partition only 5 gb and it is already full
[05:15] <zyme> which is kind of puzzling
[05:15] <aroman> pestilence, no it doesn't :(
[05:15] <pestilence> what do you know...  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter
[05:15] <aroman> pestilence, I wish that they didn't remove the web interface... I liked it :(
[05:15] <pestilence> very: that should get you going
[05:15] <pestilence> aroman: i'm sure you can re-enable it
[05:15] <Tuxicity> delltony, none
[05:15] <aroman> pestilence, dammit :( I was looking there.. :(
[05:16] <aroman> pestilence, in the wiki, I mean
[05:16] <delltony> intersting
[05:16] <delltony> i think it has somethign to do with the gtk i'm running seriously
[05:16] <pestilence> /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.debian.gz
[05:17] <pestilence>  adduser cupsys shadow
[05:17] <pestilence> that will re-enable the web interface
[05:17] <Tuxicity> delltony, I'm no expert, but works great on stable Ubuntu
[05:17] <zyme> hahaha my /var/log directory is 4v4 gb
[05:17] <zyme> err 4.4
[05:17] <zyme> this cant be right
[05:18] <dolson> so after a reboot, it works just fine.
[05:18] <delltony> well do you happent o know what version of gtk+ your running
[05:18] <aroman> pestilence, :) or sudo vigr :P
[05:18] <delltony> i'm gonna guess 2.4.1 on warty
[05:18] <pestilence> aroman: sure.
[05:19] <zyme> my syslog is over a gigabyte in size
[05:19] <zyme> can i delete that
[05:19] <aroman> pestilence, excellent :D I now configured it not to use colour :D
[05:19] <zyme> ?
[05:19] <pestilence> aroman: cool
[05:19] <Tuxicity> delltony, gtk is 2.4.10-1ubuntu1
[05:19] <delltony> ok i believe that is the issue
[05:20] <delltony> cause the lastest version of gtk is 2.6..
[05:20] <delltony> and i'm running it maybe i should downgrade
[05:20] <Tuxicity> delltony, for only 1 app, i would rather correct d4x!
[05:21] <delltony> i agree with you on that
[05:21] <delltony> i'm jus twondering if thats the issue though
[05:22] <ions> pestilence: I've searched the forums and haven't found how I'd use setuid to solve my prob
[05:22] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=79760#post79760 so I wrote my own post :\
[05:23] <very> aroman: are you using samba. I see you set up an ipp: printer?
[05:23] <pestilence> ions: i'm not really sure either.  it was just a blind stab in the dark :)
[05:23] <ions> heh
[05:23] <Tuxicity> delltony, the latest d4x semms to be 2.5.0rel1.4.10
[05:23] <pestilence> http://www.iss.net/security_center/advice/OS/UNIX/setuid/default.htm
[05:24] <pestilence> and of course, man setuid
[05:24] <Tuxicity> delltony, from the Ubuntu Backports though
[05:24] <delltony> 1.4.10
[05:24] <delltony> hmm
[05:24] <delltony> i have 2.5.0rel1
[05:24] <ions> $ man setuid
[05:24] <ions> No manual entry for setuid
[05:24] <pestilence> ah
[05:24] <Tuxicity> delltony, i would updgrade d4x instead of downgrading gtk!!
[05:24] <pestilence> well, anyways, it is something you change with chmod
[05:24] <ions> I tried that first :)
[05:25] <delltony> no upgrade available unless i build from source
[05:25] <Tuxicity> delltony, also does d4x start ok (not from flashgot)
[05:25] <delltony> d4x-2.5.0final.tar.gz  i think is the latest greatest
[05:26] <pestilence> here you go
[05:26] <pestilence> http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles/028.html
[05:27] <pestilence> under SUID bit
[05:27] <dolson> Ronald: if you are still around, the NVidia driver works fine... pretty easily too. it wasn't working for me because (I assume) I installed it and upgraded at the same time, and then didn't reboot into the upgraded kernel (I was still on a default install). Anyhow, if that isn't it, then I don't know what fixed it, but it's working after a reboot... Windows-style ;)
[05:27] <bob2> hah, geocities
[05:28] <pestilence> ions: so i misspoke, what i meant was SUID, not setuid
[05:28] <pestilence> ions: they represent the same idea, but are different ways of using it
[05:28] <ions> I think I figured it out pestilence
[05:28] <pestilence> ions: oh?
[05:28] <ions> chmod 4755 /path/to/program
[05:29] <very> Aroman: I was wondering if you were using Samba?
[05:29] <pestilence> ions: yes, i think that should do nicely
[05:29] <ions> :(
[05:29] <ions> failed
[05:29] <pestilence> what are the permissions on the exec. now?
[05:29] <Ronald> ok thanks for the info dolson
[05:29] <ions> ifp-now they're 4755
[05:30] <ions> since I just set it
[05:30] <very> pestilence: Thanks very much for the help. I'll go back and try some things. What throws me is that windows machines work fine but Linux machines are just a little different.
[05:31] <ions> -rwsr-xr-x    1 500      500         17143 2005-02-13 15:32 /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:31] <Ronald> downloading the updates after the install now
[05:31] <dolson> Ronald: you're installing Ubuntu now? :)
[05:32] <Ronald> what shouild be the next step after i upgrade it
[05:32] <Ronald> yeap
[05:32] <dolson> is the install done already?
[05:32] <pestilence> ions: maybe it needs sgid too?
[05:33] <pestilence> very: np, good luck...
[05:33] <pestilence> ions: is 500 root?
[05:33] <ions> yeah I guess
[05:33] <bob2> ions: you know you can let other users use sudo, too, right?
[05:33] <ions> I don't get much of this permissions stuff
[05:33] <bob2> and only let them run certain programs with it, etc.
[05:34] <Tuxicity> Anyone knows what command Nautilus uses to burn an .ISO?
[05:34] <ions> bob2: I don't want that
[05:34] <pestilence> ions: chown root:root /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:34] <ions> I just want this app to run from the gnome menu w/o asking for a thing
[05:34] <Ronald> not yet
[05:34] <bob2> er, ok then
[05:35] <monoxide> winex has not even released a proper beta release yet?
[05:35] <bob2> #cedega
[05:36] <bl4cks4ils> is there a ubuntu ppc chat?
[05:37] <bob2> the ubuntu ppc support channel is here
[05:37] <thoreauputic> bob2: do you know if "ordinary" users are welcome to attend the Ubuntu conf in Sydney in April, and would we need to register?
[05:38] <pestilence> ions: and chmod a+s /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:38] <akira> Hmm, still having problems with my cd drives
[05:38] <bob2> thoreauputic: you're welcome to come along, but "conference" is probably not the best word for it
[05:38] <bob2> thoreauputic: more like "week long hackfest"
[05:38] <ions> pestilence: what I'm trying to run is a script
[05:38] <bl4cks4ils> bob2: what is a flash plugin i can use for ubuntu ppc?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> *grin* OK thanks
[05:38] <ions> if that makes a difference
[05:39] <dolson> nvidia-settings needs a nice easy way to configure dual-monitors
[05:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: but if that's what you're interested in, or just to hang out a bit, come along
[05:39] <akira> I can't figure out why gnome won't automount them
[05:39] <dolson> or even just a way, not even easy or nice
[05:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: there's fun amongst the work ;)
[05:39] <pestilence> ions: i don't know...it might if the script executes executables that are not suid
[05:39] <bob2> bl4cks4ils: there's only the swf-player one, afaik, which doesn't work very well
[05:39] <thoreauputic> bob2: I just thought I might learn something :)
[05:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: oh, plenty of that, too
[05:40] <pestilence> http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~unixuser/051602/SUID.html
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> bob2 is it in the universe?
[05:40] <pestilence>  Thomas Akin's Seven Rules for Safe SUID Programming
[05:40] <pestilence>    1. Do not use SUID shell scripts.
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> i installed gplflash but it doesn't work very wel
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> l
[05:40] <pestilence> Never use SUID C-shell scripts.
[05:40] <pestilence> :)
[05:40] <bob2> pestilence: Linux doesn't let you use setuid scripts at all
[05:40] <Dr_willis> bob2,  thats what i was thinking.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> can a perl script be suid?
[05:41] <pestilence> bob2: ah.  good to know.  perhaps you should help ion :)
[05:41] <bob2> Dr_willis: no scripts at all
[05:41] <Dr_willis> or tcl, or python?
[05:41] <bob2> Dr_willis: you can use perlsuid for it, but I beleive it's deprecated
[05:41] <Dr_willis> bob2,  dident think so either. :P wasent sure.
[05:41] <bob2> I think the general answer is "use sudo".
[05:41] <pestilence> bob2: that does sound like the better solution
 concretamente linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8
 q debo hacer para q me cree una carpeta llamada linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3?
[05:43] <ions> I just want the app to work from the gnome menu w/o asking for anything! why is that so hard?
[05:43] <bob2> pam: this is an english channel, sorry.  try #ubuntu-es
[05:43] <bob2> ions: it's not
[05:44] <ions> then I should be doing it by now
[05:44] <bob2> add a line to /etc/sudoers for it
[05:44] <bob2> edit the command in the menu
[05:44] <bob2> done
[05:45] <Besttechie> Hi - How can I uninstall a perl mod?
[05:45] <ions> ugh
[05:45] <ions> man sudoers is freaking long
[05:45] <ions> and 80% of it is greek to me
[05:45] <bob2> ions: what command do you want to run?
[05:45] <bob2> no, no, 80% of it is BNF ;-)
[05:46] <bob2> Besttechie: which module?
[05:46] <ions> ifp-gnome
[05:46] <ions> it's a script
[05:46] <Besttechie> xmms:perl
[05:46] <crimsun> monoxide: sorry, was called away by work. Any luck?
[05:47] <bob2> Besttechie: remove the libxmms-perl package, I guess, using whatever package management tool you normally use
[05:48] <Besttechie> Ok, is that all I would need to do?
[05:50] <Besttechie> bob2: I didn't use apt-get, though.
[05:50] <bob2> ions: ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:50] <bob2> or so
[05:50] <ions> bob2: Cmnd_Alias     IFP-GNOME = /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:50] <bob2> Besttechie: then follow the instructions that came with it
[05:50] <monoxide> crimsun, with what part?
[05:50] <ions> oh
[05:50] <bob2> Besttechie: there's probably no easy way to remove it then
[05:50] <bob2> (this is why people like using package managers)
[05:50] <crimsun> monoxide: I suppose the xmms problem, ultimately
[05:50] <Besttechie> haha, yea/
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> crimsun: were you the one who put together the mplayer for hoary?
[05:51] <ions> still failed bob2
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> the site that is
[05:51] <ions> do I have to run the command as sudo still?
[05:51] <bob2> ions: er, of course
[05:51] <bob2> ions: sudo /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:51] <Besttechie> bob2, anywhere you think i should start? or you have no idea?
[05:51] <monoxide> xmms still doesnt work, im assuming wine still doesnt work, but i fixed my sound problems by going back to xfree instead of xorg
[05:51] <ions> YES!
[05:51] <ions> finally
[05:51] <ions> TY
[05:52] <ions> now bed!!
[05:52] <monoxide> im going to just settle with beep, and im checking out winex
[05:52] <bob2> so, it is easy
[05:52] <ions> in hindsight yeah
[05:52] <bob2> Besttechie: it might have an uninstall make target or something
[05:52] <ions> but isn't everything easy in hindsight? ;)
[05:52] <bl4cks4ils> bob2 i installed the plugin, where can i find it?
[05:53] <bob2> bl4cks4ils: how do you mean?
[05:53] <bl4cks4ils> i need to locate it for konq to recognize it, what dir should i add to konqs plugins?
[05:53] <bob2> dpkg -L name_of_package | grep lib
[05:53] <bob2> that should be a hint
[05:54] <neypo> if im moving the /boot/ partition to a new partition, do i have to do anything special to point dpkg to the new partition
[05:54] <inc_> sup room
[05:54] <bob2> dpkg doesn't care
[05:54] <bob2> just copy everything across and mount it
[05:54] <neypo> ok thanks
[05:54] <bob2> but why are you putting it on a seperate dir?
[05:55] <inc_> anyone know where to find some good torrent links?
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> neypo: make sure /etc/fstab points to the right /dev/hdX
[05:55] <neypo> its a question for my brother
[05:55] <neypo> not me
[05:55] <neypo> hehe
[05:55] <bob2> ions: cdimage.ubuntu.com has links for Ubuntu CD image torrents
[05:55] <bob2> ions: if you mean something else, you're on the wrong IRC network
[05:55] <ions> I don't think you mean me
[05:55] <inc_> kool bob
[05:55] <ions> :)
[05:55] <bob2> er, right
[05:55] <bob2> silly tab completion
[05:56] <bob2> also my laziness
[05:56] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: do you mean the backport for warty? yes.
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> crimsun: cool
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> was wondering
[05:56] <monoxide> where are you supposed to download winex from?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:57] <crimsun> monoxide: ok, sound problem is related to esd->polypaudio, I'm guessing.
[05:57] <bob2> monoxide: www.transgaming.com, after they bill your credit card