[00:00] <leftyfb> ugh
[00:00] <leftyfb> copy/paste
[00:00] <nacc> :)
[00:00] <TJ-> leftyfb: sorry, tired fingers
[00:01] <leftyfb> hm
[00:01] <leftyfb> $ sudo systemd-analyze critical-chain
[00:01] <leftyfb> Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later.
[00:01] <leftyfb> uptime is 6 hours :)
[00:01] <nacc> leftyfb: `systemctl status`
[00:02] <TJ-> leftyfb: ok, try "systemd-analyze blame"
[00:02] <nacc> leftyfb: some systemd job is running still probably
[00:02] <leftyfb> blame gives the same output
[00:03] <nacc> yeah you can't blame or analyze unless it's done booting
[00:03] <leftyfb> what am I looking for in status?
[00:03] <nacc> leftyfb: can you pastebin it ?
[00:03] <leftyfb> sure, but I'll have to redact some things since it's for my work
[00:03] <nacc> leftyfb: possibly just the top bits are needed
[00:04] <nacc> leftyfb: sepcfically "State: "
[00:04] <nacc> leftyfb: and I thinkn "Jobs: "
[00:04] <leftyfb> ugh
[00:04] <leftyfb> hold on
[00:04] <leftyfb> I MIGHT see the isue
[00:04] <nacc> leftyfb: :)
[00:04] <leftyfb> nifty tool that status
[00:05] <leftyfb> :)
[00:05] <nacc> leftyfb: yeah :) i will admit that as long as you know the commands to run in order to query, you can ask systemd quite a bit about itself
[00:05] <leftyfb> YAY!
[00:05] <nacc> leftyfb: figured it out?
[00:05] <leftyfb> yep
[00:05] <leftyfb> stuff I built for unattended deployment
[00:06] <leftyfb> for some reason never got removed from rc.local
[00:06] <nacc> always the way :)
[00:06] <leftyfb> ok, that makes my job tomorrow a lot easier :)
[00:13] <af-cmg> I really don't know how to configure the internet. All I know is that the network admin has given my MAC address a static IP, which I know the value of. Other than that, I have no idea how to configure it.
[00:14] <af-cmg> I have the wire plugged in. When I follow the Static IP Address Assignment in the Ubuntu Server guide, I cannot contact any other hosts on the network with ping.
[00:14] <nacc> af-cmg: do you have any routes (`ip route`) ?
[00:15] <af-cmg> nacc: It says: default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eno1 onlink linkdown
[00:16] <af-cmg> nacc: <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src <IP_ADDRESS> linkdown
[00:16] <jmft2> TJ-: Tried also on a fresh Ubuntu 17.10 install, no good
[00:16] <jmft2> Same problem
[00:16] <nacc> af-cmg: ok, so you have two problems
[00:16] <nacc> af-cmg: 1) it would appear you don't have link (have you tried `ip link set eno1 up` ?
[00:16] <nacc> af-cmg: 2) is your gateway actually <IP_ADDRESS>?
[00:17] <af-cmg> nacc: I just ran that command, no output. Is the gateway the router? If so, yes.
[00:17] <nacc> af-cmg: can you ping that address?
[00:18] <af-cmg> nacc: Destination host unreachable.
[00:18] <nacc> af-cmg: can you pastebin the output of `ip link` ?
[00:19] <nacc> !pastebin | af-cmg
[00:19] <af-cmg> nacc: Ok, I've gotta type it all out though. Give me a few seconds.
[00:19] <nacc> !pastebinit | af-cmg
[00:19] <nacc> af-cmg: or `ip link | nc termbin.com 9999`
[00:19] <af-cmg> nacc: Can I skip the lo: part and just type out the eno1 part?
[00:19] <bcowan> there a ppa or snap for firefox 57 on 17.10 yet?
[00:19] <af-cmg> I don't have a network connection so that might be a bit difficult :P
[00:20] <af-cmg> That's a cool pastebin tip though
[00:20] <nacc> af-cmg: ah of course :)
[00:20] <nacc> af-cmg: i assumed you were ssh'd in and could c&p on this machine
[00:20] <nacc> af-cmg: but of coruse you're not, you're on a termial or so
[00:20] <nacc> bcowan: 1) snaps are not tied to distributions :)
[00:21] <nacc> bcowan: 2) the building ppa has it, but you should just wait
[00:21] <af-cmg> nacc: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/arya-cmg/b8c79355418ae9bc683ab912d25995b5/raw/22d1370f38660af9b7a362cb0b80f8cb93a900a5/gistfile1.txt
[00:21] <nacc> bcowan: actually, it looks like it just got copied to the security pockets
[00:21] <af-cmg> nacc: Yes, I'm on the actual hardware terminal.
[00:22] <bcowan> nacc, ill wait then, thank you
[00:22] <nacc> af-cmg: hrm, it isn't detecting link, you'd need to check with ethtool -- this is a rj45 connencted device?
[00:23] <af-cmg> yes
[00:24] <nacc> af-cmg: sudo ethtool -i eno1
[00:24] <nacc> af-cmg: or so
[00:25] <nacc> bcowan: just got it on 17.10 myself after refreshing
[00:25] <af-cmg> nacc: driver: e1000e, version: 3.2.6-k, firmware-version: 0.12-2, expansion-rom-version: <blank>, bus-info: 0000:00:19.0, supports-statistics: yes, supports-test: yes, supports-eeprom-access: yes, supports-register-dump: yes, supports-priv-flags: no
[00:26] <lakitu> hey, i used Cubic to make a custom Ubuntu disc, it works, but something's wrong with my console (konsole). it won't tab complete (just makes tab-whitespace) & doesn't do up/down-arrow history
[00:26] <nacc> af-cmg: err, sorry, no -i
[00:26] <lakitu> i'm wondering if there's an easy/obvious fix to this
[00:26] <af-cmg> nacc: Lots of info. Anything in particular that is important?
[00:27] <nacc> af-cmg: look for mentions of link
[00:27] <af-cmg> nacc: Link detected: no
[00:27] <nacc> af-cmg: there you go :)
[00:27] <nacc> af-cmg: check `dmesg` to see if there are errors
[00:27] <bcowan> nacc, cool!
[00:27] <af-cmg> nacc: Sorry, I'll be right back in 10 mins!
[00:27] <lakitu> the prompt just shows "$", rather than "{user}@{computer}:{directory}#"; root shows it normally & works fine this way tho
[00:27] <nacc> lakitu: are you possibly not running bash in that sessionn?
[00:28] <lakitu> hmm
[00:28] <nacc> lakitu: echo $SHELL
[00:28] <lakitu> let met ry to run bash
[00:28] <nacc> lakitu: you might be in dash?
[00:28] <lakitu> it's empty
[00:28] <lakitu> the echo $SHELL
[00:28] <nacc> lakitu: also not great :)
[00:28] <lakitu> best to reinstall?
[00:28] <lakitu> if so - what do i do?
[00:28] <nacc> lakitu: dunno how you did that
[00:28] <lakitu> i just installed a 64-bit octave
[00:28] <lakitu> in cubic
[00:29] <lakitu> i guess i also added a user
[00:29] <nacc> lakitu: i don't kown what cubic is, and you above implied you are not using the stock ubuntu
[00:29] <lakitu> cubic makes a custom ubuntu installer
[00:29] <lakitu> it's a gui for it
[00:29] <nacc> lakitu: you can change the user's shell with usermod, or possibly you are ont supposed to be able to login as that user
[00:29] <lakitu> well i am sys admin, & the only one using this
[00:29] <lakitu> ok let me try that
[00:30] <nacc> i don't understand 'installed a 64-bit octave in cubic', if cubic is a gui for making installers.
[00:30] <nacc> but i also don't use it, so dunno
[00:31] <nacc> lakitu: it's in a ppa? ask the ppa owner for support
[00:31] <lakitu> it gives a console, that is chrooted into the live cd os
[00:31] <nacc> lakitu: or try and reproduce it with the normal ubuntu, if you want support here
[00:31] <lakitu> not in a ppa, i don't think
[00:31] <nacc> lakitu: not in ubuntu, for sure
[00:31] <nacc> !info cubic
[00:31] <lakitu> mm
[00:32] <lakitu> it isn't then, but it's a modded ubuntu
[00:32] <lakitu> where would i get support for that, are you saying?
[00:33] <nacc> lakitu: well, 'modded ubuntu' makes it even less ontopic for this channel
[00:33] <nacc> lakitu: see the ppa page you got it from, and the owner thereof
[00:33] <nacc> lakitu: or wherever you got it from, if not a ppa
[00:33] <lakitu> hm...
[00:34] <af-cmg> nacc: How should I filter dmesg?
[00:35] <af-cmg> nacc: I see IPv6: ADDRCONF_NETDEVP_UP): eno1: link is not ready
[00:35] <nacc> af-cmg: i'd grep for thingns like eno1, or errors
[00:36] <af-cmg> nacc: That's about all that comes up
[00:36] <nacc> af-cmg: actually, can you pastebin the `ip addr show dev eno1` output
[00:37] <lakitu> got it
[00:37] <af-cmg> nacc: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/arya-cmg/b8c79355418ae9bc683ab912d25995b5/raw/c462e23ebe740a6f73e14db9080fed9c61216864/gistfile1.txt
[00:38] <lakitu> consider supporting ubuntus modded before install along with after install =) otherwise thanks, your tip worked nacc. good day
[00:38] <nacc> af-cmg: hrm, i thikn that output implies there is nno physical linnk
[00:38] <nacc> af-cmg: do you see the link light on, on the device?
[00:38] <af-cmg> nacc: Let me check
[00:39] <af-cmg> nacc: I don't see a light, but it was working 1 hour ago when Windows was installed, and the computer hasn't been touched since.
[00:40] <scootergrisen> Where do i find the translated strings for a .desktop file if not in for example /usr/share/applications/seahorse.desktop ? I can see its translated in the application menu but there is nu Name[*]= in that file
[00:41] <nacc> af-cmg: dunno, could be a driver issue, but the light being off means the device is off, i thik
[00:41] <nacc> af-cmg: i am at the end of my day, though, hopefully someone else can help
[00:41] <af-cmg> nacc: Well, thanks for the help! I'll keep trying. Have a good night.
[00:44] <Romantic> What can I do to resolve this error with the nvidia driver (from kern.log) NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 384.98 but the this kernel module has the version 384.90
[00:45] <nacc> Romantic: the tool you are using is newer than the driver you have loaded
[00:45] <nacc> Romantic: "NVRM"
[00:47] <Romantic> yes, it’s the nvidia driver. I’m unsure how to proceed.
[00:48] <Romantic> If there is a way to remove any and every bit of either versions, that would be a start.
[00:50] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384 xenial
[00:50] <nacc> yeah, only at .90 i all releases
[00:51] <nacc> Romantic: where did you get 384.98 from?
[00:51] <be-p> Hi guys I need to definitely delete a package and its configurations . I run apt purge, dpkg purge, locate and deleted remaining files, removed var/cache and var/bakup. what else? If i try to re install it with dpkg -i pkgname it installs the pkg in one second but if i run the service it is still bugged
[00:52] <nacc> be-p: what package?
[00:52] <be-p> thingsboard (IoT platform .. needed for work)
[00:52] <Bashing-om> nacc: I too - pulling from the PPA " ii  nvidia-384   384.98-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1 " .
[00:52] <nacc> Bashing-om: ah, the ppa :)
[00:53] <nacc> Bashing-om: probably some other packages need to be updated to match, inn Romantic's case?
[00:53] <nacc> be-p: does it store something in home at runtime?
[00:53] <Romantic> nacc: graphics-drivers/ppa it looks like
[00:53] <nacc> be-p: we can't really debug non-ubuntu packages
[00:53] <be-p> probably but if I run locate and find+grep searching for thingsboard i should find everything, where is this shit hiding?
[00:54] <nacc> be-p: if it stores runtime state, that won't be in the package list
[00:54] <nacc> be-p: just like firefox, e.g.
[00:54] <be-p> suggest me where to search or a way to find it?
[00:54] <be-p> please <3 eheh
[00:57] <nacc> be-p: we can't know
[00:58] <nacc> be-p: please ask the owner/maintainer of the software
[00:59] <SpotInTheSky> Hi, I recently upgraded from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04. I seem to have lost my vpn settings. Is it possible the config is saved somewhere?
[01:02] <bratchley> Is there a way to run the "stress" command from the install DVD?
[01:02] <bratchley> I'm booted into the "Try Ubuntu Without Installing" option
[01:03] <Bashing-om> bratchley: Install " stress " and run it .. I would think .
[01:04] <snkcld> for pulseaudio, now that audio.conf is gone, where do i put Disable=Headset?
[01:04] <bratchley> I did a "apt-get update" which partially failed
[01:04] <bratchley> tried "apt-get install -y stress" anyways but it said there was no install candidate
[01:04] <vinzusama> Hi everyone, I've noticed something in gnome tweak tool, in the wm/keybindings, there's two parameters called "move-to-workspace" and "switch-to-workspace". I tried both and didn't notice any difference, anyone knows ?
[01:05] <Bashing-om> bratchley: Bet it is in the universe repo . that will need to be enabled in the live world .
[01:05] <TJ-> !info stress | bratchley
[01:05] <Bashing-om> !info stress xenial
[01:10] <bratchley> Bashing-om: ty enabling universe did it
[01:11] <Bashing-om> bratchley: :)
[01:21] <snkcld> anyone know where audio.conf config settings would go in newer version of bluez?
[01:42] <sylario> I have a system disk that fails to boot with : 'Failed to early mount API filesystems, freezing.' I have unmounted it and put it on another system. Mounted i cannot fsck it, once unmounted, FSCK tells mr it's ok, but the disk still does not boot
[01:42] <sylario> WHat tools can I use to check it?
[01:43] <sylario> Everything is in a VPS environnement
[01:45] <Sterist> I'm in the process of converting my movie collection to h.265 and given how slow the process is... is there any kind of CPU overhead or polling that can be shut down in a temporary manner that won't persist across reboots? if I can eliminate 1% overhead  it should save up to 15 minutes per movie
[01:48] <matzy_> question for anyone who has swapped caps lock and control - how do you do that in ubuntu 16.04?
[01:49] <matzy_> all the guides online say to do it in gnome-tweak-tool and i did that, but it's not having any affect.  i've restarted multiple times, checked back to make sure the option was set, nothing
[01:50] <matzy_> gnome-tweak-tool > typing > ctrl key position > swap ctrl and caps lock
[01:52] <codepython777> I am reading GPS time from USB and would like to sync my ubuntu clock to this time ? How can I do this? How can I watch the accuracy of this sync over time?
[02:00] <dollarsigndoug> Hello world.
[02:02] <bratchley> sylario: I can't really follow you to completion on this but it sounds like a configuration thing or something important was deleted
[02:02] <bratchley> usually there are more errors in the boot than just that
[02:02] <bratchley> earlier I mean
[02:05] <TJ-> codepython777: you can do that with gpsd and ntpd
[02:06] <codepython777> TJ-: I do not have gpsd running. I get my time data in this format: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25971507/
[02:07] <TJ-> codepython777: you'd need to write a wedge to provide the data in a format ntpd accepts then. That looks like weird output for a GPS unit
[02:12] <matzy_> trying to run 'gnome-tweak-tool' in the term reults in a 'shell not installed or running' error
[02:16] <exoro> Hello
[02:20] <matzy_> nvm i think i'm on my way to figuring it out. for anyone else wondering, i think swapping keys pertains to the wm you
[02:21] <matzy_> you're using, and since i'm using i3, i need to set it with xmodmap instead of gnome-tweak-tool.  havent confirmed, but highly suspect
[02:21] <doug1> exit
[02:26] <exoro> Ubuntu 17.10 is amazing.
[02:26] <_28Kb> hangs on install in my case
[02:28] <dollarsigndoug> test
[02:28] <_28Kb> test to you too, bro
[02:28] <dollarsigndoug> Sorry. I'm an IRC noob. :P
[02:29] <_28Kb> is's ok...
[02:29] <kostkon> !test
[02:29] <_28Kb> you need to know if it's working
[02:30] <dollarsigndoug> Currently using Weechat, the terminal-based IRC client. What's everyone else using?
[02:30] <_28Kb> :)
[02:30] <_28Kb> many other clients
[02:35] <matzy_> erc in emacs :)
[02:35] <slimetrap> i just installed ubuntu 16/LTS on my intel nuc and sometimes video will choke on youtube, like the image freezes at random but audio keeps plaing happens in both chrome and firefox
[02:36] <slimetrap> i haven't tested any other video sources
[02:36] <rh10> which the most advanced keyboard trainer? i tried nlkt but seems like too simple. i can't select text for train, so on
[02:37] <rh10> training*
[02:39] <fluvvell> is anyone familiar with fixing the top menu bar (16.04) on a dual screen? I cant find the right utility. My left bar underlaps the right screen
[02:39] <fluvvell> I've tried ccsm and I can't find it there
[02:40] <fluvvell> if only it right clicked and came up with settings or properties :-(
[02:44] <mecotri> I'm running Ubuntu server 17.10 on a machine with two static public ipv6 addresses configured using netplan. One IP is for normal services webserver, outgoing mail, and the other IP is strictly for backend services like ssh. The backend IP is restricted to just ssh traffic to anther IP. The problem is the system is prefering that IP for stuff like apt-get forcing everything to hang. How do I make all traffic use a specific IP?
[02:47] <Cueball> Hi. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a laptop dual booting Windows. But grub is failing to install. I'm installing from net install 17.10 and grub install fails with just a generic error. So I tried chroot to the installed system and ran grub-install /dev/sdb from there. I then get the error cannot find a device for /boot/grub is /dev mounted?
[02:48] <Cueball> Also /dev/sdb is my HDD. /dev/sda is the usb boot.
[02:49] <nacc> mecotri: you need to change the default route
[02:52] <mecotri> nacc: How would I do that? I tried /sbin/ip -6 route add default via fe80::1 src 2600:3c02::xxxx:xxxx:xxxx but get the error RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
[02:59] <bratchley> mecotri: if you want different default routes for different types of traffic that's usually policy-based routing that you're talking about
[03:00] <bratchley> not sure how to implement that for ipv6 though since I've only ever done with in ifcfg-* scripts for IPv4
[03:01] <bratchley> but PBR lets you use alternate routing tables for different kinds of traffic
[03:01] <bratchley> man page: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/ip-rule.8.html
[03:08] <mecotri> bratchley: I'm fine with changing the default route to always chose one IP over the other I just can't figure out how to make that happen. https://pastebin.com/YpFVLG7j
[03:29] <zeeblefritz> hey all having some trouble with my damn ubuntu system. attempted to install radeon pro driver for r9 290 on 16.04 and best I can get is a loop on the login.
[03:29] <zeeblefritz> and most of the time I get mode not supported by my monitor/tv
[03:30] <slimetrap> netflix plays flawlessly in HD but youtube will do this thing where video frame randomly "sticks" (video freezes, audio keeps playing flawlessly)
[03:31] <slimetrap> this is for both chromium and firefox
[03:31] <zeeblefritz> i've attempted to reinstall xorg but still nothing
[03:31] <cfhowlett> slimetrap, HD youtube sticks?
[03:33] <slimetrap> yes hd youtube sticks and even 720p sticks. by "stick" i mean the video's audio is flawless, the picture quality is great, but there are random moments where the image will freeze and the audio keeps going normally and then it'll unstick that frame at some random point
[03:34] <slimetrap> video playing (audio always perfect, never stutters): image will ocassionally freeze
[03:34] <slimetrap> for between like 1-10 seconds
[03:34] <slimetrap> maybe more like 1-5
[03:36] <cfhowlett> slimetrap, if this is ONLY on the YT site, I'd suggest something strange on their end.  Test playback on the HTML5 option.  also, update your system: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade       will get you the latest goodies for you currently installed ubuntu version
[03:36] <slimetrap> isn't html5 the default now and has been for some time?
[03:37] <slimetrap> i'll try vimeo too
[03:37] <cfhowlett> it is, but I don't know your settings
[03:37] <cfhowlett> good idea to test vimeo
[03:37] <slimetrap> again, netflix works flawlessly
[03:37] <slimetrap> trying vimeo and will also run update commands
[03:38] <Cueball> Sittry
[03:38] <slimetrap> i don't even have flash installed so...
[03:38] <Cueball> slimetrap:  try h264ify extension in chrome
[03:38] <slimetrap> wait i'm lying i do have flash installed
[03:39] <slimetrap> how do i tell if it's html5 on youtube XD
[03:40] <slimetrap> lol the video for vimeo is supposed to scale but it doesn't
[03:40] <slimetrap> er
[03:40] <slimetrap> it doesn't fill the screen when it fulls creens
[03:40] <slimetrap> maybe that's because of a seeting i tweaked...
[03:41] <slimetrap> ah yeah now it scaled
[03:41] <slimetrap> i'm just watching a video on vimeo and will let you know as soon as it stutters or if the video completes XD
[03:42] <slimetrap> hmm it's playing flawlessly on vimeo as well
[03:42] <slimetrap> i can't tell what resolution it's playing at but it looks very hd
[03:42] <slimetrap> 1080p
[03:43] <slimetrap> so it's only youtube apparently? :o :o
[03:43] <gogeta> slimetrap, youtube kill it
[03:43] <slimetrap> a less powerful device in my home running ubuntu does not have this problem
[03:43] <slimetrap> o.o
[03:43] <cfhowlett> strange indeed
[03:43] <slimetrap> gogeta, youtube kill it?
[03:44] <gogeta> slimetrap, kill it with fire
[03:44] <slimetrap> i'll try going back to a youtube 1080p video... maybe something was like... idk...
[03:44] <gogeta> slimetrap, sounds like a gpu acell issue
[03:45] <bilb_ono> what does it mean when I got to www.canyouseeme.org and check port 22 and it says error I could not see your service on port 22
[03:45] <slimetrap> gogeta, sounds complicated
[03:45] <bilb_ono> I did sudo systemctl restart sshd
[03:45] <bilb_ono> or I guess how do I get it to be able to see me
[03:45] <gogeta> slimetrap, what driver you running
[03:46] <gogeta> blinky42, sudo ufw allow 22
[03:46] <slimetrap> gogeta, i-i don't know :o
[03:46] <gogeta> bilb_ono, sudo ufw allow 22
[03:46] <slimetrap> yeah i'm watching video on youtube right now and it's choppy af
[03:46] <gogeta> slimetrap, what kinda gpu
[03:47] <slimetrap> gogeta, one sec i will link you to the newegg page i bought it from
[03:47] <cfhowlett> normally I'd agree that gpu and/or ram would be the cause, but as vimeo and netflix don't choke ...
[03:47] <zeeblefritz> woot got my desktop back. does anyone know a way to get amd apu and r9 290 to work on same ubuntu system?
[03:47] <slimetrap> vimeo and netflix streamed video better than i've ever seen anything on my tv
[03:47] <slimetrap> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102140
[03:47] <slimetrap> ^^^^ that's what i am running ubuntu LTS on
[03:48] <bilb_ono> gogeta: that did not help
[03:48] <bilb_ono> though it did say Rules updated
[03:48] <slimetrap> Intel Celeron N3050 processor
[03:49] <cfhowlett> celeron?  what kind of ram?
[03:49] <gogeta> slimetrap, ah a nuc ubuntu uses relly dated mesa drivers thats probly it
[03:49] <slimetrap> this ram: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231704
[03:49] <quarters> hello
[03:49] <slimetrap> gogeta, oooohh....
[03:50] <gogeta> slimetrap, i assume your running lts ubuntu
[03:50] <slimetrap> gogeta, yuppers
[03:50] <gogeta> slimetrap, there is a work around
[03:50] <slimetrap> OWO!!!!
[03:50] <slimetrap> gogeta, ToT thank you wise one i'm all ears
[03:50] <quarters> is anyone here familiar with using rmlint?
[03:51] <gogeta> slimetrap, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/mesa-17-1-ubuntu-ppa
[03:51] <gogeta> slimetrap, that should inprove its 3d preformance
[03:51] <slimetrap> wow thank you so much u r a gentleman and a scholar
[03:52] <slimetrap> i will see if this works
[03:53] <gogeta> slimetrap, yea the oss 3d stack in lts was pretty poor
[03:54] <gogeta> slimetrap, oh i found something else
[03:54] <gogeta> slimetrap, seems 16.04 did not ship with vadpu
[03:54] <slimetrap> i'm using the nuc as both a backup and a media server (probably will do roms/steam too!!) and i decided to use LTS, maybe should've used 17 heh i've been very happy with 17 on my work laptop
[03:55] <slimetrap> i only kind of know what some of those things are heheh gogeta
[03:55] <gogeta> slimetrap, you need that for hardware video
[03:55] <slimetrap> oooh does that need to be installed or something
[03:56] <slimetrap> wow gogeta can i give you a tip$$
[03:57] <gogeta> slimetrap, you need the libva package for intel
[03:58] <slimetrap> gogeta, i'll google that
[03:58] <slimetrap> so i just sudo apt-get install libva-intel-vaapi-driver?
[03:58] <gogeta> slimetrap, i think its vaapi on ubuntu
[03:59] <gogeta> slimetrap, should be in your store
[03:59] <gogeta> slimetrap, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/libva-intel-vaapi-driver/
[04:00] <slimetrap> nothing in the store
[04:00] <slimetrap> o
[04:00] <gogeta> slimetrap, that should give you hardware decoding
[04:01] <slimetrap> hm keeps saying can't locate this
[04:01] <slimetrap> oh this must be renamed in 16 im guessing
[04:02] <gogeta> probly
[04:04] <gogeta> slimetrap, ah it says to install the microcode package
[04:05] <gogeta> slimetrap, intel-microcode
[04:05] <gogeta> slimetrap, you should be able to from the 3rd party driver settings
[04:05] <Cueball> slimetrap: did you try h264ify extension?
[04:05] <slimetrap> oh thank you gogeta
[04:05] <slimetrap> Cueball, no I haven't
[04:06] <slimetrap> I will give that a try next; what does it do?
[04:06] <Cueball> Forces YouTube to play h264 instead of vp9
[04:06] <slimetrap> gogeta, "intel-microcode is already the newest version"
[04:06] <slimetrap> Cueball, interesting i'll try that
[04:07] <gogeta> slimetrap, yea then your cpu must not like vp9
[04:07] <slimetrap> aaah
[04:07] <gogeta> slimetrap, it is older
[04:07] <slimetrap> h264ify available for firefox?
[04:07] <Cueball> Not sure but probably is in some form or other.
[04:08] <slimetrap> trying now with the extension
[04:08] <gogeta> slimetrap, being netflicks uses h264 why your seeing better preformance
[04:08] <slimetrap> y'all so smart
[04:08] <slimetrap> ok video is loading
[04:09] <slimetrap> oh dear this totally fixes it
[04:09] <slimetrap> this is great omg thank you so much i love you
[04:09] <gogeta> slimetrap, :)
[04:09] <slimetrap> can i give you two money
[04:09] <gogeta> slimetrap, its all free advice hear
[04:11] <bilb_ono> can anyone help me forward port 1022? On this site http://www.canyouseeme.org It says: Error: I could not see your service on <my home ip> on port (22)
[04:11] <slimetrap> <3
[04:11] <gogeta> slimetrap, i didnt think older cpu lack of vp9 hardware at least yet im shure the drivers will get patched for it
[04:11] <slimetrap> bilb_ono, yes
[04:11] <oerheks> !cookie | gogeta
[04:11] <slimetrap> !cooke | gogeta
[04:11] <slimetrap> !cookie | gogeta
[04:12] <oerheks> don' t overfeed our volunteers, thanks
[04:12] <slimetrap> XD!
[04:12] <gogeta> blinky42, you said 22 if its 1022 ufw alloq 1022
[04:12] <gogeta> allow
[04:12] <bilb_ono> I added Port 1022 to my /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:12] <bilb_ono> and I forwarded it in my router
[04:12] <gogeta> bilb_ono, sudo ufw allow 1022
[04:13] <bilb_ono> gogeta:I get the same error with port 1022
[04:14] <gogeta> bilb_ono, ubuntu has a firewall you have to open the port
[04:14] <bilb_ono> gogeta: how do I open the port?
[04:14] <gogeta> bilb_ono, i gave you the command
[04:14] <bilb_ono> gogeta: I ran that command (sudo ufw allow 1022)
[04:14] <bilb_ono> and it says “Rules updated”
[04:14] <bilb_ono> however, the same error on that website
[04:15] <gogeta> bilb_ono, restart the service
[04:15] <gogeta> bilb_ono, you should go visable
[04:15] <slimetrap> thanks
[04:15] <slimetrap> <3
[04:15] <slimetrap> again
[04:15] <slimetrap> imma go enjoy hd youtube
[04:15] <bilb_ono> gogeta: with sudo systemctl restard sshd ?
[04:16] <gogeta> bilb_ono, yea
[04:16] <bilb_ono> gogeta: the same error occurs on canyouseeme.org
[04:16] <gogeta> bilb_ono, if not you still have a roughter issue
[04:16] <vijaikumar> sudo ufw disable && sudo ufw enable
[04:16] <gogeta> vijaikumar, i set the port to fully open thats not doing it
[04:17] <vijaikumar> what is the output of "sudo ufw status numbered" ?
 don' t overfeed our volunteers, thanks ---- haha love it.
[04:21] <gogeta> bilb_ono, good way to test is see if you can connected over the local network
[04:21] <gogeta> bilb_ono, if you can then you know the os in configued your roughter is not
[04:22] <bilb_ono> gogeta: sorry Im not sure if I disconnected
[04:22] <bilb_ono> but its working
[04:22] <gogeta> bilb_ono, oh good :)
[04:22] <bilb_ono> I had to update the ip in the router forwarding settings
[04:22] <bilb_ono> thanks for your help
[04:22] <bilb_ono> gogeta: do I have to rerun sudo ufw allow 1022 every time I start the computer then?
[04:23] <gogeta> bilb_ono, no its open unless you run ufw deny 1022
[04:23] <bilb_ono> gogeta: does that save it in a file somewhere then?
[04:23] <gogeta> bilb_ono, yea firewall rules
[04:24] <gogeta> bilb_ono, you can even be way more complex with it
[04:24] <gogeta> bilb_ono, like only certen ips etc
[04:24] <bilb_ono> I should probably set a static network ip then too huh
[04:25] <bilb_ono> so I dont have to update the router forward ever time I reboot my comp
[04:26] <gogeta> bilb_ono, is this only for a local network
[04:26] <gogeta> bilb_ono, there is a better rule for that
[04:28] <bilb_ono_> gogeta: I want to connect from my home comp
[04:28] <bilb_ono_> from like a cofee shop
[04:28] <gogeta> bilb_ono_, oh then leave it as is
[04:29] <bilb_ono> gogeta: but the ip resets then right?
[04:29] <bilb_ono> on restart?
[04:29] <gogeta> bilb_ono, it can yes
[04:30] <gogeta> bilb_ono, the only way to really avoid that is with a dns server then write a script to update cfw when it sees your ip changed
[04:31] <gogeta> ufw
[04:31] <bilb_ono> gogeta: astatic ip doesn’t change that?
[04:31] <bilb_ono> that sounds complicated
[04:31] <gogeta> bilb_ono, static works as well
[04:31] <bilb_ono> https://bpaste.net/show/7f98dc49cd28
[04:31] <bilb_ono> does that look right for static?
[04:32] <bilb_ono> why don’t I see that <IP_ADDRESS> in the ifconfig on top
[04:32] <bilb_ono> ?
[04:32] <gogeta> bilb_ono, i would set my dns o my isp
[04:32] <bilb_ono> gogeta: what does that mean?
[04:33] <bilb_ono> setup dns on the router?
[04:33] <gogeta> bilb_ono, you probly dont need it like that
[04:33] <gogeta> bilb_ono, im thinking a diffrent type on config
[04:33] <gogeta> of
[04:33] <gogeta> bilb_ono, you should be fine
[04:34] <bilb_ono> I just wont restart my comp
[04:34] <gogeta> bilb_ono, static never changes on restart
[04:35] <bilb_ono> gogeta: it seemed to change from what I originally was forwarding in the router settings....
[05:00] <MrPockets> best audio player in ubuntu?
[05:00] <gogeta> MrPockets, youtube?
[05:01] <oerheks> there is no single best
[05:01] <MrPockets> been, forever since I ran ubuntu as a fullon daily OS
[05:01] <MrPockets> feels good
[05:02] <MrPockets> Amarok sounds familiar.
[05:03] <oerheks> Clementine is my favorite, can handle large music collections and has got an equaliser
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> and has nice ipod sync
[05:04] <MrPockets> hm
[05:15] <aaap> hey guys
[05:15] <aaap> may i know anyone used streamlink together with vlc?
[05:16] <MrPockets> oerheks, if I use a NAS as a media location, and the network is disconnected, will clementine want to re-index every time it reconnects?
[05:35] <Toasty> Hello there, I wanted to get a list of available WLANs with mac addresses
[05:35] <Toasty> nmcli -t dev wifi gets me close
[05:36] <Toasty> Any ideas how to get the rest?
[05:40] <Toasty> unnh
[05:40] <Toasty> moan
[05:41] <t0no6a> Toasty : #iwlist scan
[05:43] <Toasty> t0no6a, yeah -- wasn't working for me originally, sudo iwlist wlp3s0 scan works fine now
[05:43] <Toasty> thanks
[05:57] <alazyworkaholic> I've found some zsh themes produce garbled prompts within a virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+F1, etc.) Is there a setting that might improve virtual terminal support for odd fonts & characters?
[06:00] <Toasty> exit
[06:08] <Rhombix> hi. i recently purchased a HUION graphics tablet. i thought it would work out of the box on ubuntu but i am now having a hard time getting hardware support for this model. what would i need to do to make this work, other than getting a refund?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> Rhombix: wich ubuntu version did you try?
[06:09] <Rhombix> 16.04 i think
[06:10] <hateball> Rhombix: a google gives https://askubuntu.com/questions/500141/huion-h610-tablet maybe that is relevant for you as well
[06:10] <hateball> It seems to rely on X, which is fine for 16.04, but 17.10 and onwards default to Wayland... might be worth thinking about
[06:11] <hateball> No idea if/how well the support is for such tablets on wayland
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> mornin alkisg
[06:19] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje, hi all :)
[06:25] <alkisg> Hi, when I have ipv6 method = ignore in a network-manager connection, but my router has dhcp enabled for ipv6, I get a "inet6 fe80::76d4:35ff:fee9:5f81/64 scope link" address, which is causing me issues. Is this normal? How can I tell network-manager to not assign an ipv6 address at all? (in nm specifically, not via sysctl...)
[06:25] <Rhombix> lotuspsychje: i've already done a lot of googling, and i've tried installing those drivers. they have literally had no effect
[06:25] <teward> alkisg: that's a link-local address and not being assigned by network-manager.
[06:26] <teward> alkisg: that's not really an IPv6 address that should be messing with things, what makes you think it's interfering with things?
[06:26] <alkisg> teward: if I disable dhcp for ipv6 on the router, then nm doesn't assign it
[06:26] <teward> alkisg: that wasn't my question
[06:27] <alkisg> teward: due to a global misconfiguration of the routers in my ...let's say company, they use link-local ipv6 addresses for DNS queries etc, when we can't receive ipv6 replies
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> Rhombix: hateball sended you the link
[06:27] <alkisg> teward: so the workaround is to disable ipv6, and I wanted to do it from network-manager, so that I don't have to tell people how to use sysctl etc
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> Rhombix: some devices can be a pain to make work on ubuntu
[06:28] <Rhombix> lotuspsychje: is it *actually* possible to make this tablet work on ubuntu?
[06:29] <Rhombix> i've tried several different drivers like the one above and they make no difference
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> Rhombix: well in your case it might be smart to deeper investigate and maybe a new !bug
[06:30] <Rhombix> but people in the help results i'm finding claim to have found a solution and been able to use it
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> Rhombix: first check your syslog & dmesg when plugging in your device for specific errors
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> Rhombix: then create a !bug with all your details, ubuntu version & kernel
[06:31] <Rhombix> i struggle to get the device to show up on lsusb
[06:31] <Rhombix> also, there is not going to be a !bug
[06:32] <hateball> Rhombix: You've not told us what model number of tablet you're using either, so it's kind of hard to try and help you find information
[06:32] <Rhombix> huion 610 pro
[06:48] <sirru5h> Hello Everyone
[06:48] <EriC^^> hi
[07:00] <alkisg> teward: I guess what I want is to disable "router advertisements", similar to systemd-networkd's "IPv6AcceptRA=no" option, as described in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IPv6#systemd-networkd_2. But I don't see any option for that in network-manager, so I guess I'll need to use sysctl anyway...
[07:11] <GegenRung> To disable IPv6 in NetworkManager, right click the network status icon, and select Edit Connections > Wired > Network name > Edit > IPv6 Settings > Method > Ignore/Disabled
[07:11] <GegenRung> alkisg ^^
[07:12] <alkisg> GegenRung: that's what I already have, but it still receives router ipv6 advertisement and it assigns a link local ipv6 address, which breaks things
[07:12] <Ben64> thats not how link local works
[07:13] <alkisg> Ben64: misconfigured routers can forward link-local traffic... :/
[07:13] <Ben64> whats the actual issue
[07:14] <alkisg> Ben64: we're a network of schools with misconfigured routers and our own dns servers, and the routers send the queries to our dns servers preferring the ipv6 addresses, while we can't receive a reply, so it times out after 10 secs
[07:15] <alkisg> So I'm trying to completely disable ipv6 from network-manager, instead of using an /etc/sysctl.d/50-disable-ipv6 file, which will be a bit longer to document
[07:16] <Ben64> ah, the good ol' XY problem
[07:16] <alkisg> Of course I've reported the issue to the network admins, but in the meantime, I want to work around it on schools that use ubuntu
[07:31] <alkisg> Eh. Actually I just tried with sysctl, and it's impossible to disable ipv6 unless you specify the interface name, which varies... even with ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1, accept_ra=0, autoconf=0, and the same for ipv6.conf.default, I do get an ipv6 link-local address
[07:32] <alkisg> The only way I found to disable it is in the kernel cmdline (grub.cfg), which then causes prompts on package upgrades as it's a conffile...
[07:32] <alkisg> Meh
[07:34]  * alkisg tries to blacklist the ipv6 module...
[07:36] <alkisg> Nope, it's compiled in...
[07:40] <kode54> alkisg: /etc/default/grub ?
[07:40] <alkisg> kode54: yeah that's a conffile and it'll give prompts to users on upgrades
[07:40] <alkisg> "a new version was shipped, but you locally modified that file, do you want to keep changes " etc etc
[07:41] <kode54> clearly, you shouldn't be using Ubuntu on these computers, if you're shipping them to users who are allowed to perform their own upgrades, but are not smart enough to understand what that means
[07:42] <alkisg> kode54: generalization like that isn't helpful to either advanced nor new users
[07:42] <alkisg> Please avoid it :)
[07:42] <alkisg> Trying to find a way to disable ipv6 that doesn't prompt the users on upgrades, isn't too much to ask, it shouldn't be treated as illogical
[07:46] <strive> alkisg: Trying to disable ipv6 when running apt update / upgrade?
[07:46] <alkisg> strive: how do you mean?
[07:47] <alkisg> (i'm trying to disable ipv6 completely,not just on apt usage...)
[07:47] <strive> OH.
[07:47] <strive> Hm
[07:47] <strive> I  think there's a line in..
[07:47] <EriC^^> isn't there some sysctl thing?
[07:47] <strive> /etc/gai.conf
[07:48] <alkisg> EriC^^: I couldn't get it to work for network-manager controlled interfaces
[07:48] <alkisg> It gets disabled for all, lo, default etc, but not for "enp0s3" that network-manager manages, it still gets an ipv6 link-local address
[07:49] <alkisg> strive: can I disable ipv6 from /etc/gai.conf?
[07:49] <strive> https://community.rackspace.com/products/f/25/t/5110
[07:49] <strive> Yes, I did this in the past.
[07:50] <strive> Welp, I'm off. G'night.
[07:50] <OERIAS> Has anyone here experienced weird Unity issue like improper display and blackening out of some elements like the launcher?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: ubuntu version and graphics card chipset?
[07:51] <alkisg> strive: thanks, and good night; I think that changes the precedence though, it doesn't disable ipv6...
[07:56] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje: it is an Intel Integrated Chipset
[07:56] <OERIAS> Ubuntu 17.10
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: did you test the xorg session to compare?
[07:56] <OERIAS> no I did not
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: did you install unity yourself cause by default 17.10 is gnome right
[07:57] <EriC^^> alkisg: you could always get hacky about it, add a script to grub.d that does sed -i on the grub.cfg to add the ipv6 stuff
[07:57] <OERIAS> GNOME seems to work fine, but I really hate gnome right now and I want to use Unity instead
[07:57] <OERIAS> I went ahead and removed Unity and resinstalled it
[07:57] <OERIAS> give me 5 minutes to check
[07:57] <EriC^^> alkisg: or something like that, it would probably need a sleep and check for grub.cfg and backgrounded
[07:57] <alkisg> EriC^^: I actually thought about that 1 minute ago and felt too ditry to go ahead and do it :D
[07:58] <EriC^^> alkisg: got to do what you got to do :D
[07:58] <alkisg> EriC^^: another dirty workaround would be an initramfs script that would mount --bind /proc/cmdline so that it temporarily shows ipv6.disable there, and unmounts it later on :D
[07:59] <EriC^^> :D
[08:01] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje: I will post what I am seeing on here
[08:02] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje: https://imgur.com/a/xgc2d
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: seems like you will need a deeper investigate in your dmesg
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: have you tried a lightdm restart?
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: checked sudo lshw -C video for intel drivers?
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: change themes as a test also?
[08:11] <nollan> good morning,using udev-rules, I've tried to used the %P ($parent) substitution, however it is empty. Do I need IMPORT{parent} somehow?
[08:12] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu Gnome 16.04. My firefox has stopped showing text on some websites since some days. It includes Youtube (Only video titles are visible), Google Groups (Nothing is visible), Gmail login page (Nothing is visible), Google Maps (Only the text on the map is visible). It could be due to installation of some fonts for Octave. I have tried safe-mode but the problem persists. Help!!
[08:13] <sazawal> Here are the screenshots https://imgur.com/a/tpwQP
[08:13] <oerheks> sazawal, update, new firefox 57 might help
[08:13] <capella> "preferences" has a checkbox to allow pages to override
[08:14] <sazawal> oerheks: I just checked and there is indeed an update for firefox in the package manager. Let's see
[08:14] <capella> also text encoding for legacy content ... I think thats uu8 vs 16 or somesuch .... they did a big internal string reorg back a bit
[08:17] <qswz> https://i.imgur.com/3k8O19q.png guys, chrome on the left, firefox on the right. How to make ff's header less tall?
[08:17] <qswz> couldn't find in preferences
[08:17] <qswz> you can see it has 20% more height
[08:18] <Ben64> ask #firefox probably
[08:18] <qswz> ok
[08:18] <sazawal> oerheks: I updated it, but the text is still missing
[08:19] <oerheks> sazawal, i think it is that fonts that you installed/updated/whatever, but then again FF in safe mode should be clean.
[08:19] <oerheks> no clue what to do
[08:20] <sazawal> oerheks: I didnt specifically installed fonts. It came with the octave-forge package. Anyway, I will ask in #firefox
[08:22] <capella> erm :p I contributed to Moz for 5 years and never knew they had a channel on this server XD
[09:48] <jwtiyar> after apt-update , i cant update packages just shows that i have two or packages not upgraded
[09:48] <jwtiyar> even apt upgrade not updating
[09:50] <auronandace> !dist-upgrade
[09:52] <jwtiyar> i know this , but before when i do apt update will update appplication if there is un update
[09:52] <jwtiyar> this one for distribution upgrade
[09:52] <auronandace> no
[09:53] <vimart> Hi
[09:54] <jwtiyar> but why apt update not updating them as usual?
[09:54] <auronandace> update refreshes the repository information, upgrade actually updates the packages and dist-upgrade updates all packages that requires changes in dependencies
[09:55] <jwtiyar> yes , ok if firefox updated which will update it?
[09:55] <auronandace> jwtiyar: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:56] <jwtiyar> auronandace, so apt update will not update dependencies?
[09:56] <vimart> apt update then apt --all upgrade
[09:57] <auronandace> jwtiyar: update refreshes the repository information
[09:57] <andywork> hey I upgraded to 17.10 on my xps13 a moment ago, and the new desktop feels pretty sluggish. Could this be because gnome is generally much slower in comparison to unity?
[09:57] <auronandace> jwtiyar: upgrade updates the packages
[09:58] <auronandace> jwtiyar: dist-upgrade upgrades packages that will pull in new dependancies
[09:58] <jwtiyar> auronandace, vimart , thank you , its been a year or more left ubuntu so things got forgotten :)
[09:58] <causative> shouldn't unity be much slower?
[09:58] <jwtiyar> auronandace, i thought apt update do everything
[09:58] <causative> I mean ok it makes no sense to say unity is slower than gnome, unity is used with gnome
[09:59] <andywork> really? Its a fresh install with intel drivers present, and resizing windows is choppy
[09:59] <jwtiyar> auronandace, and disy-upgrade do distribution upgrade
[09:59] <auronandace> jwtiyar: no it does not
[09:59] <causative> but unity is slow afaik
[09:59] <jwtiyar> auronandace, thanks
[10:02] <alexas> suddenly can't connect to any network, in Unity the pictogram just show endless connection symbol, on all interface, ubuntu 17.10
[10:32] <sylario> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WtiCZvSv/
[10:32] <sylario> I have a ubuntu server VPS not booting, when I check the log (connected the sys disk to another VPS) it fails on a graphical component
[10:33] <sylario> How do I repair the disk so it can boot on a server ?
[10:34] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: that log looks like part of normal shutdown procedure on a system that's freaked out earlier
[10:35] <sylario> Triffid_Hunter: What should I do?
[10:36] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: pastebin more of the log including where it decides to shut down?
[10:37] <alexas> how to flush all network settings in ubuntu 17.10?
[10:38] <sylario> More syslog : https://pastebin.com/peFNn4DE
[10:39] <sylario> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wtr0R0yZ/
[10:39] <sylario> emergency console logs
[10:41] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: this seems suspicious: EXT3-fs: xvda1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).
[10:42] <sylario> Triffid_Hunter: and what should I do?
[10:42] <sylario> I should also say that it stopped booting while I was doing major upgrade with apt-get upgrade
[10:42] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: looks like a bunch of your services crap themselves over readonly root, systemd starts, then decides to shut down 20s later. might want to find out why your kernel's ext driver has suddenly shed some features, and maybe have a play with tune2fs to change them
[10:43] <sylario> I am not sure what it all means
[10:44] <sylario> and I cannot boot the system in any way
[10:44] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: restore your backup then
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> then play with it in a VM or something and find a safe upgrade pathj
[10:45] <sylario> I only backed up the data disk :/
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: I suppose you'll just have to rebuild it then, and learn a valuable lesson about doing major upgrades on production systems
[10:48] <sylario> It's not the production, it's the staging server
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: oh great, so not a major disaster?
[10:48] <sylario> but still, i think i'll snapshot it
[10:49] <sylario> just a casual disaster
[10:51] <sylario> Triffid_Hunter: thanks for your help
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> sylario: welcome, and good luck!
[10:56] <sonu_nk> is there any ubuntu software which can provide me gui of centos server ? i am using ubuntu on my desktop and on my server centos installed.. so i am looking for any software like cpanel which will install on ubuntu and i can connect my centos with it ? we can say a desktop local cpanel
[10:57] <Ben64> ....no
[10:57] <auronandace> sonu_nk: would it not make more sense to install something to your centos server and connect to that through the browser on your ubuntu desktop?
[10:58] <sonu_nk> i know that Centos cpanel
[10:58] <sonu_nk> but wonder i got any local desktop application which is cpanel for desktop :P
[11:44] <Sterist> can anyone recommend a GUI program that can split and merge videos?
[11:45] <EriC^^> !info openshot | Sterist
[11:45] <auronandace> Sterist: i like openshot as a video editor
[11:45] <Sterist> righto. thanks!
[11:46] <Sterist> ain't ubottu a godsend lol
[11:46] <hateball> Sterist: Kdenlive is another alternative, fwiw
[11:47] <Sterist> I installed that one but couldn't find the split/merge feature, and it started crashing today after every reboot
[11:47] <Sterist> thanks for reminding me, uninstalling it now
[11:47] <hateball> heh :D
[12:30] <DarkStar1> Hi guys, I need an idea of how to achieve the following, I want to extract a string pattern from a log file that generates a lot of output
[12:30] <DarkStar1> but only from tail as i want to act on the pattern as it is generated
[12:31] <Triffid_Hunter> DarkStar1: so tail -F logfile | grep --line-buffered somepattern ?
[12:31] <DarkStar1> or rather when a new string of said pattern match is detected in the file
[12:34] <DarkStar1> Triffid_Hunter: thx. I'll try that
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <laceylaney> Hey everyone ^^ Need a new laptop and thinking about buying a thinkpad. It's been 10+ years since I last bought a laptop so I don't really know what to got for. Is a thinkpad a good choice ?? Which one should I go for. Help and suggestions will be very much appreciated ^^
[12:48] <auronandace> laceylaney: i'm very happy with my thinkpad. Haven't run into any issues installing ubuntu on it. T450s
[12:49] <auronandace> laceylaney: one thing I would suggest is to stay away from any hybrid graphics systems
[12:49] <laceylaney> @auronandace Thanks for the heads up ^^
[12:50] <auronandace> laceylaney: what in particular do you plan to do with your laptop? since you are asking in this channel you obviously intend to install ubuntu on it
[12:51] <laceylaney> I want to run ubuntu, maybe ubuntu mate. Manily I will be writing code for websites, designing graphics & playing Team Fortress 2 / Half Life 2
[12:52] <TJ-> laceylaney: Dell do a range of Ubuntu based laptops, e.g. http://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptop-and-2-in-1-pcs/xps-13/spd/xps-13-9360-laptop
[12:52] <hateball> laceylaney: you could ask ##hardware as well
[12:53] <laceylaney> Thanks for the heads up guys ^^ I'm pretty clueless since it's been so long so appreciate the help ^^
[12:53] <hateball> laceylaney: regardless what you look at (as long as it isnt sold directly with linux on it like some dells or from system76) always google "computer model + ubuntu" to see if there's any top issues...
[12:54] <laceylaney> @hateball That's a really good idea ^^ Will probably go do that now haha
[12:57] <netsrot> Hi, how do I install wine staging 2.19 in ubuntu artful? I updated to 2.20 and now 3d doesn't work with radeonsi driver. tested with hearthstone.
[12:58] <hateball> !wine| netsrot
[12:58] <hateball> netsrot: that said, https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[12:58] <auronandace> netsrot: it would be easier to install playonlinux and then use that to manage any version of wine you like
[12:58] <Ben64> also, wine doesn't care about drivers
[12:58] <Ben64> seems more likely that your driver just isn't working
[13:01] <jmft2> Hi, does anyone have any more ideas about this? I'm on a fresh install of Ubuntu 17.10. sudo works fine when I start up, but then stops working after I disconnect from a wifi network.
[13:02] <jmft2> 'sudo' by itself freezes. 'strace sudo' doesn't freeze but exits.
[13:03] <jmft2> I gather it has something to do with name resolution (https://serverfault.com/questions/65370/every-single-time-i-use-sudo-it-hangs-before-completing) but my hostname, 'hussar', is where it should be in /etc/hosts:
[13:03] <jmft2> '<IP_ADDRESS> localhost hussar', and '::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback hussar'
[13:05] <TJ-> jmft2: I think I suggested yesterday it could be due to an nsswitch resolver-ordering issue
[13:05] <jmft2> TJ-, can you elaborate?
[13:06] <brainwash> netsrot: you can install older versions by specifying the exact version string
[13:06] <TJ-> jmft2: did you check /etc/nsswitch.conf and it's "hosts" line?
[13:06] <jmft2> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname
[13:06] <brainwash> netsrot: sudo apt install wine=2.19ubuntu1
[13:06] <jmft2> (sorry, I must have been afk last night when you replied)
[13:07] <TJ-> jmft2: nsswitch controls the order that the system's libc (standard library) does name resolution, so if 'dns' were listed before 'files' that could cause the timeout
[13:07] <brainwash> netsrot: this version string is just an example and most likely not a valid one
[13:07] <TJ-> jmft2: I'd expect to see something like "hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
[13:07] <brainwash> netsrot: you may have to do that for all wine packages also
[13:08] <TJ-> jmft2: "files" means read /etc/hosts etc first and only if not found there, use the other methods
[13:08] <netsrot> brainwash: thanks a lot.
[13:09] <jmft2> TJ-, on the machine that I'm currently using, I have 'hosts: files myhostname dns'
[13:09] <jmft2> so myhostname comes before dns.
[13:09] <TJ-> jmft2: "myhostname" ? is that the name of the host or literally the string "myhostname" ?
[13:10] <jmft2> literally that string.
[13:10] <TJ-> jmft2: What Ubuntu release is this?
[13:10] <jmft2> 17.10
[13:10] <jmft2> on the broken one. Not sure about the one I'm using at the moment (it's a work machine)
[13:10] <TJ-> jmft2: was that system provisioned using some kind of orchestration software/seeding, or from a regular ISO installer ?
[13:11] <jmft2> regular ISO.
[13:12] <TJ-> jmft2: I've never seen "myhostname" as a method for hosts: in nsswitch before and I can't find it listed in the man-page (on 16.04). Please check on that system if it is mentioned with "man 5 nsswitch.conf" and then search for it with /myhostname <enter>
[13:12] <DarkStar1> Hey, can someone help me with grep-ing  with regex please I tried as described here: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/9RB1~rh7ky6uMv8Sx8BZwQ
[13:12] <DarkStar1> but I get nothing
[13:15] <jmft2> TJ-, no, 'myhostname' isn't mentioned in the man page.
[13:16] <TJ-> jmft2: ahhh, apparently it's an optional libnss module
[13:16] <TJ-> jmft2: OK, false alarm... but we're on the trail. First thing is to figure out why /etc/hosts entry isn't being used by 'files' - can you pastebin the /etc/hosts ?
[13:18] <jmft2> https://pastebin.com/NLs9wLVT
[13:18] <TJ-> jmft2: also, what does this report? "getent ahosts $(hostname)"
[13:19] <jmft2> https://pastebin.com/VmSwA7pP
[13:19] <neuron> hi! i'm using 17.10 and cant start gparted. using ui it just don't open. using command: `sudo gparted` it says: "(gpartedbin:14328): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0". How can I start gparted?
[13:20] <TJ-> jmft2: OK, can you remove the /etc/hosts comment # from "# <IP_ADDRESS> hussar" then re-run the "getent..." command?
[13:20] <jmft2> Should I also remove 'hussar' from <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:21] <TJ-> jmft2: for now only make 1 change at a time
[13:21] <TJ-> jmft2: let's see if we can detect which change fixes/helps
[13:22] <jmft2> TJ-, after uncommenting I get https://pastebin.com/wkRM2ejY
[13:22] <neuron> I found the answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/967536/gparted-wont-start-under-ubuntu-17-10
[13:23] <DarkStar1> can anyone help me pls?
[13:23] <TJ-> jmft2: what country/language/locale is that system set to?
[13:23] <TJ-> jmft2: I'm wondering if the separator characters in the /etc/hosts are not regular ASCII 0x20 space characters
[13:25] <TJ-> jmft2: also, I think I see a clue. That system is resolving on IPv6 first
[13:27] <TJ-> jmft2: so, what does "hostname" report?
[13:27] <jmft2> TJ-, English and GB keyboard. However, the separator between the '<IP_ADDRESS>' and 'localhost' is actually a tab.
[13:27] <TJ-> jmft2: check also the raw value with "cat /etc/hostname"
[13:28] <TJ-> jmft2: tab should be OK... tab/spaces. I was wondering if there were some UTF characters in their
[13:28] <TJ-> s/their/there/
[13:28] <jmft2> "hostname" reports "hussar", and /etc/hostname is 'hussar', with a trailing 0x0A.
[13:28] <TJ-> jmft2: it looks like "hostname" is returning "localhost" rather than the name "hussar"
[13:29] <TJ-> jmft2: this is weird! everything where it could go wrong seems to check out :)
[13:31] <jmft2> TJ-, how could we resolve IPv4 first?
[13:31] <TJ-> jmft2: I'm trying to reprduce it in a 17.10 container here; give me a mo
[13:32] <ahq>  I don't know if this is the correct place to ask.. I have a problem with Synaptic on Kubuntu 14.04 and hope that you guys can give a hint... Synaptic cannot display png icons due to something missing (gtk-ish?)  https://pasteboard.co/GTUzwWB.png and https://pasteboard.co/GTUzMgx.png
[13:32] <ahq> i think i am missing a lib but dont know which
[13:33] <ioria> DarkStar1,   try  : tail -f    file  | grep --line-buffered alfresco | mawk -Winteractive '{print $2}'
[13:34] <DarkStar1> ioria: I need to grep lines h
[13:34] <DarkStar1> that include the UUID
[13:34] <DarkStar1> else I'd receive way too many lines
[13:34] <DarkStar1> the idea is to test it before putting it into a bash script
[13:34] <TJ-> jmft2: good news! I've managed to reproduce it in a container so far. "getent ..." fails in the same way
[13:36] <jmft2> TJ-, fails, as in resolves the IPv6 first?
[13:37] <TJ-> jmft2: no, as in, doesn't report the hussar name. I've also noticed that /etc/hosts has Windows line-endings (/r/n) so I've sed-ed them out but so far it hasn't helped. Looking more closely now
[13:40] <TJ-> jmft2: OK, a fix for IPv6 which should solve your immediate sudo issue too: add a separate line to /etc/hosts for IPv6: "::1     hussar" and remove 'hussar' from the other ::1 line
[13:40] <fallenour> Anyone ever seen a cloud.init error for ubuntu before? Im not able to reach a 169.254.XXX.XXX address for cloud.init. Ideas?
[13:42] <TJ-> jmft2: this looks like a bug; if you do "getent ahostsv4 $(hostname)" to force use of IPv4 it works, so when IPv6 is available and first it doesn't report the IPv4 hostname even though it reports the IP addressesww
[13:46] <DarkStar1> I've tried my regexp in 3 different online regex builders set to PCRE and used the -P switch with grep... Still no joy
[13:48] <ahq> what could be missing in my kubuntu 14.04 if Synaptic fails to show status icons ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25974309/
[13:48] <ahq> among other programs
[13:48] <jmft2> TJ-, thanks -- will give a go. What should I do with the IPv6 addresses in /etc/hosts?
[13:49] <jmft2> <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:50] <jink> DarkStar1: grep -E --color '\[/alfresco/s/wopi/files/[0-9a-f]{8}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{12}\]'
[13:50] <TJ-> DarkStar1: "grep -o '\[/.*\]'  "
[13:51] <TJ-> jmft2: let me pastebin the /etc/hosts I've got here for you...
[13:52] <TJ-> jmft2: ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/25974349/
[13:52] <DarkStar1> Thanks jink... I can finally make progress :)
[13:56] <jmft2> TJ-, rebooted with new /etc/hosts file, no good. things like sudo and getent still freeze after disconnecting from a network
[13:57] <TJ-> jmft2: really!?
[13:57] <TJ-> jmft2: hmmm, let me see if I can take the container offline and cause that
[13:57] <jmft2> TJ-, I have to head off now but will be back in a few hours, sorry
[13:59] <TJ-> jmft2: OK :)
[14:13] <transhuman_> Hi! I have a big favor to ask from a compiling expert (trying to get  a small library to compile on Ubuntu it uses a build script and cmake I cant get it to compile, its for an important project of mine...anyone able to help?
[14:21] <leftyfb> transhuman_: you might want to try /join #<language of choice>
[14:22] <transhuman_> ok lefty thanks I think its written in c so I will try #c
[14:24] <xflacko> hello
[14:25] <xflacko> i had an eth0 connection working fine on my machine, rebooted and suddenly eth0 is no longer there
[14:26] <TJ-> xflacko: "ip link show" will list all the I/F names
[14:30] <xflacko> TJ- i see enp0s31f6: (NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP) mtu 1500 qdisk pfifo_fast state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[14:30] <xflacko> qdisc*
[14:32] <TJ-> xflacko: did the system get a recent release-upgrade ?
[14:32] <xflacko> its on the latest version
[14:32] <xflacko> what happened was, i shut down, upgraded ram and booted up
[14:32] <dupondje> Wtf, I did pip install cloudmonkey, but then 'cloudmonkey: command not found'
[14:33] <TJ-> xflacko: the default interface naming scheme changed to predictable naming (e.g. enp0s31f6) instead of kernel naming (eth0) so it looks as if the system switched from the latter to the former
[14:33] <xflacko> TJ- what do u suggest i do to fix it? add auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp to /etc/network/interface ?
[14:34] <TJ-> xflacko: how is/was the eth0 interface configured? via the Desktop's Network Manager applet?
[14:35] <xflacko> nope, it was auto
[14:35] <TJ-> xflacko: 17.10 doesn't use that (the package ifupdown); it uses either systemd-networkd or Network Manager
[14:35] <xflacko> im using Lubuntu 16.04
[14:35] <xflacko> lt
[14:35] <xflacko> lts*
[14:35] <TJ-> xflacko: that's not the latest; 17.10 is
[14:35] <TJ-> xflacko: is it a desktop install?
[14:35] <xflacko> yep
[14:36] <xflacko> however i disabled the graphical interface start at boot
[14:38] <TJ-> xflacko: OK, so from a command-line terminal do "nmtui" to start the NM connection-editor, then select the wired connection and edit it's setting so it uses the enp0s31f6 device, not eth0, save, and bring the connection up with "nmcli con up "<wired connection name>"
[14:38] <bryanfrommacau> Hi
[14:39] <bryanfrommacau> I'm doing a network installation of ubuntu, and it's failing at "select and install software"
[14:39] <bryanfrommacau> What kind of software is this?  Is it important?
[14:40] <TJ-> bryanfrommacau: it's the option to install packages during OS installation; often we do it later from the command-line using "apt-get" or the desktop using Software Centre
[14:42] <xflacko> TJ- Could not activate connection: Connection 'Wired Connection 1' is not available on the device enp0s31f6 at this time
[14:43] <bryanfrommacau> Ok, I was just wondering if they were things like office suites, or something more vital
[14:44] <TJ-> xflacko: is the cable connected to a switch or router?
[14:44] <TJ-> xflacko: your earlier "ip link" output showed there was "NO-CARRIER" meaning the link isn't detected
[14:45] <xflacko> yeah it is
[14:45] <TJ-> xflacko: well, something is wrong there. it should show "<BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>"
[14:45] <xflacko> i dont mind trying a reinstall since the os was empty
[14:46] <TJ-> xflacko: try messing with the cable, even try a different one
[14:51] <xflacko> TJ- it worked on a fresh install
[14:54] <bryanfrommacau> I key getting fatal errors on my network installation
[14:54] <TJ-> xflacko: check for errors during boot; there may be some clue in the kernel log at /var/log/kern.log, or use the 'dmesg | less' command
[15:03] <xflacko> TJ- thank you <3
[15:03] <xflacko> ill check it out
[15:03] <xflacko> i think it was fiddling with the cable that fixed it
[15:05] <jayjo> can I configure logrotate to only rotate my nginx access.log by file size instead of "daily" which is how it is set by default?
[15:09] <puxavida> jayjo, search -> configure logroate by file size
[15:11] <bryanfrommacau> Ok i installed ubuntu using the net install
[15:12] <bryanfrommacau> I have a blinking line on the to left of the monitor and nothing else
[15:13] <bryanfrommacau> I do get the ubuntu logo prior to that
[15:20] <bryanfrommacau> I'll try reinstalling again then :/
[15:21] <oerheks> bryanfrommacau, might be your GPU causing the issue, see nomodeset to see if that works
[15:21] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[15:26] <ioria> DarkStar1,  have you solved your issue ?  sy, afw
[15:27] <puxavida> bryanfrommacau, which netboot version?  16.04 has 4.4 ga kernel to start and there is HWE version - not sure it that would have a kernel that works for you
[15:33] <bryanfrommacau> 17.10
[15:33] <bryanfrommacau> Maybe I need an older version
[15:34] <ioria> bryanfrommacau, why ?
[15:36] <bryanfrommacau> Hi, reconnected
[15:42] <designbybeck> After the new install of FFQ, My fonts don't show up in Youtube. In other sites it does.  The issue was with my RegExp for the UUID pattern
[15:49] <designbybeck> kostkon, oh yeah I am completely logged out of everything, because I clearned and deleted everything
[15:50] <ioria> DarkStar1,  ok
[15:51] <kostkon> designbybeck, is the correct language/region selected on your Youtube profile
[15:51] <designbybeck> that hadn't changed kostkon but I'll check again
[15:53] <designbybeck> kostkon, this is what it looks like without being logged in on a new install of FFQ in Ubuntu 16.04: http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=120426
[15:53] <designbybeck> not being logged into youtube
[15:53] <designbybeck> but other pages show text kostkon
[15:54] <designbybeck> kostkon, like if I go to just google . com and type puppies...I see text/fonts as normal
[15:54] <designbybeck> this wasn't happeneding before I upgraded to FFQ from Ubuntu Repo kostkon
[15:55] <kostkon> designbybeck, any extensions that you have installed and you believe might be the cause of this, like any noscript, video downloaders, etc. extensions?
[15:55] <zarzar> how do i set the ssh keep alive in ubuntu?
[15:55] <designbybeck> FFQ disabled them all kostkon
[15:55] <designbybeck> the only thing I added/turned on again was lastpass kostkon
[15:56] <kostkon> designbybeck, type about:support in your address bar and then select the option to restart in safe mode, see if that is still the case
[15:57] <designbybeck> kostkon, "Restart with Add-ons Disabled" ?
[15:57] <kostkon> designbybeck, yep
[15:58] <designbybeck> kostkon, same thing, no font/text
[15:58] <designbybeck> on youtube pages
[15:58] <designbybeck> its like a CSS issue or something
[15:59] <kostkon> designbybeck, funny thing firefox now has a brand new rust based css engine
[15:59] <designbybeck> that's what  Iwas thiking kostkon ....so I would have thought it would have played nicer overall. I don't think I'm using any crazy theme/addons forUnity or anything
[15:59] <kostkon> designbybeck, nonetheless, you could try creating a new profile see if the problem persists. Just type  about:profiles if i remember correctly
[16:00] <designbybeck> ok I'll keep playing with it. Thanks for your help  kostkon
[16:00] <kostkon> designbybeck, you don't necessarily have to delete your current one
[16:02] <pdefreitas> yeassss finally firefox 57 is in artful repos
[16:03] <tilerendering> ppl, I have an existing iptables/ufw setup that I dont want to change, except I want to add _one_ additional rule: deny all incoming connections to all ports for _all_ ips except 2 that I specify. for these 2 ips, that are still allowed to connect, the rules are as it is specified now for all ips. can you tell me what to do with ufw so that I get this working? I unfortunately dont have the time to look hours into manuals, I already wasted so much
[16:03] <tilerendering> time today configuring java-to-mailserver and mailserver-to-world connectivity...
[16:07] <mecotri> I have two public IPv6 addresses on one interface and need to change which one is the default for outgoing traffic. How can I do that? I've tried all sorts of ip route commands with no success.
[16:08] <designbybeck> kostkon, creating a new profile still didn't fix the font issue. it's odd. I'll keep digging though
[16:13] <designbybeck> kostkon, fixed it.... had to install fonts-texgyre : https://askubuntu.com/questions/976985/firefox-websites-with-custom-fonts-not-displaying
[16:13] <designbybeck> So if anyone elses fonts aren't working on GitHub or the New FF, you might try that
[16:14] <TJ-> tilerendering: sounds like you want to set a default INPUT policy of DENY, and then a couple of ACCEPT rules for the IPs
[16:14] <TJ-> designbybeck: have you tried starting Firefox from a terminal, with debug enabled, to see if there are clues there?
[16:14] <kostkon> designbybeck, interesing that you had to do that
[16:14] <designbybeck> TJ-, I hadn't, but it is working now
[16:15] <TJ-> designbybeck: i hate those silent bugs!
[16:16] <designbybeck> oh, interesting... I was still in safe mode when I did that kostkon and youtube refreshed with the right fonts....then I tried to restart FF and now it will not sure again
[16:16] <designbybeck> me too TJ-
[16:19] <kostkon> designbybeck, did you set the new profile as the default and then restart firefox?
[16:20] <designbybeck> I just deleted it when it didn't work kostkon
[16:20] <designbybeck> let me try that kostkon
[16:22] <designbybeck> kostkon, no, that didn't work either. In a CLI I did the sudo apt install fonts-texgyre
[16:22] <designbybeck> and then refreshed the youtube page and the fonts showed up. Then I tried not in safe mode and the fonts went away
[16:23] <tilerendering> TJ-: yep, but .. that sounds like a few hours of try & error, that’s why I ask, I guess it’s not so uncommon my usecase…
[16:24] <kostkon> designbybeck, browsers download fonts on demand nowadays, they don't need to exist on the system
[16:25] <mutante> somehow sounds like it could be abused for exploits
[16:29] <TJ-> tilerendering: I don't use UFW, but I've just found out how to do it within literally 5 seconds with "man ufw" and I see immediately: "ufw [--dry-run] default allow|deny|reject [incoming|outgoing|routed]" which suggests "ufw default deny incoming" to set the default DENY policy. Then you just add your allow rules if they aren't already there
[16:30] <designbybeck> kostkon, ok NOW I got it...had to install: fonts-roboto as well
[16:31] <designbybeck> the other was forGitHub fonts....the latter was for Google/Youtube
[16:31] <TJ-> designbybeck: surely the sites, if using custom fonts, should be supplying them via CSS fonts statement
[16:32] <designbybeck> not clue TJ- I would have thought it would have rolled back to some other default font
[16:33] <TJ-> designbybeck: my point is, on sites where a font is specified that isn't widely available, that font is specified for download from the site itself
[16:33] <designbybeck> yeah, but this was GitHub and YouTube....not sure why FFQ didn't serve it up
[16:33] <TJ-> designbybeck: otherwise fallbacks to an *installed* font; it doesn't fail to fallback because some system font isn't present
[16:34] <kostkon> designbybeck, you shouldn't have to installl those fonts to make those sites work the point being that something is still wrong with your firefox setup
[16:34] <TJ-> designbybeck: I've not seen anything like that and I've been using nightly (v58) for ages.
[16:35] <designbybeck> TJ-, this is what  I used https://askubuntu.com/questions/976985/firefox-websites-with-custom-fonts-not-displaying
[16:36] <designbybeck> I'll keep an eye on it, to see if this messed anything else up. FFQ is running fast and smooth
[16:37] <kostkon> designbybeck, did you get it from the repos?  apt policy firefox
[16:38] <designbybeck> yep kostkon
[16:38] <designbybeck> sudo apt upgrade
[16:38] <TJ-> designbybeck: use the developer tools console, check if the fonts are being loaded from the site but not displayed. I can see several bugs like that in the Mozilla bug tracker
[16:38] <kostkon> designbybeck, jc
[16:39] <designbybeck> kostkon, but I did try to download and run it locally yesterday (without installing) and I got the same issue in YouTube with the missing fonts
[16:39] <designbybeck> but today I installed from repo when I saw it was there
[16:39] <designbybeck> but it is working now, so I'm going to run with it
[16:39] <kostkon> designbybeck, quite a perplexing issue
[16:40] <designbybeck> well i'm glad some other folks had the issue and it wasn't just me
[16:40] <tilerendering> TJ-: I did that already, but I wonder whether my current “ALLOW” rules will fit in to fit my above described needs. but hey thanks, I ll figure out by myself.
[16:41] <kostkon> designbybeck, as TJ- said it could be a firefox bug that manifests under certain conditions
[16:41] <TJ-> tilerendering: sounds like you've sorted it already then - if the default policy for incoming is DENY then unless you add exceptions for allowing something in, nothing will be accepted
[16:42] <TJ-> designbybeck: can you give me a URL on github that fails so I can test it?
[16:42] <tilerendering> TJ-: no I havent sorted it really, I wanted to avoid reentering all existing rules but I ll check for myself, I ve been wandering around for 1 hour now in order to find out, and I figure that - as sad as it is - by investing 2 hours of my own time I ll be happier
[16:43] <designbybeck> TJ-, It wasn't me that was trying GitHub, I just saw that was happened there as well to some users
[16:43] <TJ-> designbybeck: Oh, well give me a URL that fails for you now
[16:43] <designbybeck> TJ-, in that link I sent, their screen shot showed the icons in GitHub but not font/text
[16:43] <designbybeck> it was Youtube.com
[16:43] <TJ-> designbybeck: the front page?
[16:43] <designbybeck> actaully even google.com
[16:43] <designbybeck> yes
[16:44] <tilerendering> TJ-:  btw. the default deny policy hasnt blocked my ssh attempt right now when I tried to connect.. so much for self-evidency
[16:44] <designbybeck> TJ-, this was starting up youtube clean in FFQ for the first time without logging in: http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=120428
[16:44] <designbybeck> TJ-, Images/Icons, but not fonts/text
[16:44] <TJ-> designbybeck: that fetches 2 fonts from fonts.gstatic.com
[16:45] <TJ-> tilerendering: how are you testing? from a remote host?
[16:47] <TJ-> designbybeck: enable the web developer > web console then look at the Network tab when the page is loaded. You can filter resources to just CCS/Fonts by clicking on those headings in the tool bar
[16:49] <designbybeck> TJ-, http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=120429
[16:50] <TJ-> designbybeck: enable "Fonts" too :)
[16:50] <designbybeck> ok looks like the same thing though TJ-
[16:51] <TJ-> designbybeck: with Fonts enabled refresh the page
[16:51] <TJ-> designbybeck: for https://youtube.com/ you should see 2 CSS and 2 Fonts
[16:52] <designbybeck> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=120430
[16:52] <designbybeck> TJ-, ^
[16:52] <tilerendering> TJ-: yep
[16:52] <kostkon> designbybeck, no fonts in sight
[16:52] <designbybeck> well that is good to know. I didn't konw you could filter like that
[16:53] <TJ-> designbybeck: notice on the right it shows "cached" ? you need to clear the cache. Try Ctrl+F5 to do a forced refresh
[16:53] <designbybeck> TJ-, I have done that....everything is working now
[16:53] <TJ-> designbybeck: you should see a Transfer size in bytes/KB
[16:54] <TJ-> designbybeck: fonts OK? so it was a local cache issue then?
[16:54] <designbybeck> well don't know when it started working...I don't think it was a cache thing... from what I realized it was when I installed both of those fonts
[16:54] <designbybeck> but yes TJ- it is working on YouTube now as expected
[16:55] <tilerendering> TJ-:  when doing ufw status numbered I see that the “allow 22 from anywhere” is at first place, then a number of other allows, then the denies follow. kind of strange, after explicitly enabling the input policy to deny by default
[16:55] <designbybeck> Thank you TJ- for your help as well
[16:55] <kostkon> designbybeck, well you could try remove the font packages you installed
[16:55] <kostkon> to*
[16:56] <TJ-> tilerendering: as I don't use UFW I'm not sure what to expect when there's a default DENY policy, but I would expect the default policy to be listed too
[16:58] <TJ-> tilerendering: and if the default is DENY then any deny rules in that chain are unnecesary since if an ACCEPT (allow) doesn't match packets will be denied. I'm not sure how UFW managed if you've got multiple interfaces either; whether behind-the-scenes it creates separate chains for each interface
[16:58] <tilerendering> TJ-: yeah, .. see - this is why I was quite specific in my requirements and wanted a very specific advice actually. because if it comes down to understand ufws internals, I mean all of them, and acting upon it, then we re down to several hours of try%error which, for me, as a developer, marketer, tester, infrastructure provider, cloud manager, devops, and database administrator is time that I would really have loved to avoid to invest.
[16:59] <TJ-> tilerendering: I looked at UFW about a decade ago when it was introduced, found it wanting, and stuck with using iptables directly so I *know* what is set!
[16:59] <tilerendering> needless to say this is knowledge that will be forgotten by the next time I have to use ufw
[16:59] <tilerendering> yeah but same with iptables, even more time to invest, for just blocking all ips except a set of a few.
[17:00] <tilerendering> needless to say that for somebody with a pile of tasks already, this is time he would really like to have condensed down to just one little helpful advice.
[17:01] <TJ-> tilerendering: well, pastebin the output of "ufw status" lets see if we can figure it out
[17:02] <tilerendering> TJ-: I m really thankful for your help, I mean it, really. But I think that because youre not really using ufw yourself...
[17:02] <TJ-> tilerendering: the one thing I would wonder is if there's another firewall program fighting with UFW over the rules :)
[17:02] <tilerendering> nope, I would figure that out. ufw is using iptables under the hood so I understood
[17:02] <TJ-> tilerendering: OK, I'll leave it to you then
[17:03] <tilerendering> thanks anyhow
[17:03] <tilerendering> and: very sad that I cant get any useful hint for just this very simple usecase since about 1,5 hours. sigh… the linux world hasnt changed much since.
[17:13] <TJ-> tilerendering: is the host using containers/docker/virtual-machines ? I know that there are issues with docker and ufw
[17:20] <RonaldsMazitis> hello
[17:21] <RonaldsMazitis> microsoft just released new skype for linux 8.10.something , and logins from older versions are disallowed
[17:21] <RonaldsMazitis> problem is, my relative says, You cannot remote desktop on this newest version
[17:21] <RonaldsMazitis> is it true?
[17:22] <deepend> is there a way to make newly created files in a directory be executable by default?
[17:22] <archheretic> Apparently there is a script running on a server that makes the server reboot every 5 min, where should I try to look so I can disable this script?
[17:22] <kostkon> RonaldsMazitis, share your desktop? I think you can
[17:22] <RonaldsMazitis> I personally don't use skype
[17:23] <archheretic> its probably a script that run at startup
[17:23] <RonaldsMazitis> so I don't know where to find this button
[17:24] <leftyfb> archheretic: cron
[17:24] <TJ-> leftyfb: archheretic it could also be systemd timer
[17:24] <kostkon> RonaldsMazitis, if i remember correctly it the option to share appears in the call window, i.e. when you make a call
[17:25] <archheretic> anyway to list all cron jobs and list all systemd timers ?
[17:26] <brainwash> archheretic: systemctl list-timers
[17:26] <TJ-> archheretic: "systemctl -t timer"
[17:26] <archheretic> root@3269beab513c:/# crontab -e
[17:26] <archheretic> no crontab for root - using an empty one
[17:27] <leftyfb> archheretic: sudo egrep "reboot|shutdown" /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
[17:28] <archheretic> doesnt seem to be a systemd time, these run at too long intervalls https://pastebin.com/kLAz3Tru
[17:30] <archheretic> this is the output of that egrep https://pastebin.com/AyWDB8Fd
[17:31] <TJ-> archheretic: you might find a clue in /var/log/auth.log around the time of the reboots
[17:31] <leftyfb> oops
[17:31] <leftyfb> archheretic: sudo egrep -R "reboot|shutdown" /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
[17:32] <archheretic> leftyfb: No results =/
[17:33] <archheretic> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/Q1JNf1j2
[17:34] <archheretic> powerkey pressed, powering off
[17:35] <archheretic> this sounds fishy, but can I alias the poweroff command or something into something else so it doesnt power off?
[17:35] <TJ-> archheretic: which ubuntu version is it?
[17:36] <archheretic> Ubuntu 17.4   Linux ubuntu 4.10.0-28-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 30 05:32:18 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:36] <TJ-> archheretic: see https://superuser.com/questions/1071800/explanation-of-systemd-logind-in-auth-log
[17:36] <leftyfb> archheretic: where did you get "14.4" from?
[17:37] <leftyfb> sorry, "17.4"
[17:41] <archheretic> from the splash welcome screen
[17:41] <archheretic> in the terminal
[17:44] <archheretic> # udevadm trigger -v -n -g power-switch
[17:44] <archheretic> /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input0/event0
[17:44] <TJ-> archheretic: what make/model is it?
[17:47] <TJ-> archheretic: disable logind handling it: "echo 'HandlePowerKey=ignore' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/powerbutton-inhibit.conf" then after a reboot it *should* be prevented. Doesn't explain what's causing it though
[17:50] <archheretic> bash: echo 'HandlePowerKey=ignore' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/powerbutton-inhibit.conf: No such file or directory
[17:51] <TJ-> archheretic: ah! don't type the surrounding double-quotes; I use them to separate my commentary from the command to run
[17:51] <archheretic> yeh I tried both :p
[17:52] <archheretic> without it does seem expect some extra input
[17:52] <archheretic> root@f80ef3405b2b:/# echo 'HandlePowerKey=ignore' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/powerbutton-inhibit.conf
[17:52] <archheretic> ls
[17:53] <mbeierl> Trying to do a 16.04.3 install on DHCP enabled network, but the installer keeps saying configuration failed.  I see DHCP request, DHCP offer of an IP, and then installer immediately returns DHCP decline.  Don't see any ARP between the offer and the decline.  Any ideas?
[17:53] <archheretic> with # i guess I dont need the sudo
[17:53] <archheretic> I know using root is bad business, but this isnt an important server
[17:53] <ioria> archheretic,  do you have a logind.conf.d direcyory ?
[17:54] <ioria> *directory
[17:54] <noah1> Eclipse CDT Oxygen or Netbeans 8.2 on Ubuntu?
[17:55] <archheretic> cd: /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d: No such file or directory
[18:00] <mixxit> hi
[18:00] <mixxit> can anyone help i just did a fresh install of ubuntu but the software centre seems to be broken
[18:00] <mixxit> "Unable to install Discord Failed to read from snapd: Error receiving data: Connection reset by peer"
[18:02] <gluon> mixxit: try this on the command line:
[18:02] <gluon> sudo snap install gnome-3-26-1604
[18:02] <gluon> sudo snap install discord
[18:03] <mixxit> ok that seemed to say discord is already installed
[18:03] <gluon> okay
[18:03] <mixxit> but in software center it says install
[18:03] <gluon> does it run?
[18:04] <mixxit> and doesnt show it under installed
[18:04] <mixxit> yes it runs
[18:04] <nacc> mixxit: what version of ubunntu?
[18:04] <mixxit> 17.10
[18:05] <nacc> mixxit: and when you say 'software centre', do you mean gnome software (it's just called 'software' iirc)
[18:05] <mixxit> its like an amazon icon
[18:05] <mixxit> an orange bag thing
[18:05] <nacc> mixxit: (you can check by running the thing you want and then checking `ps aux | grep gnome-software`)
[18:05] <gluon> it's branded ubuntu software in 17.10
[18:05] <nacc> mixxit: you're using old, defunct software
[18:06] <nacc> mixxit: i belileve
[18:06] <nacc> the ubuntu software centre is deprecated
[18:06] <mixxit> this is a fresh install
[18:06] <nacc> mixxit: can you check the 'ps aux' output?
[18:06] <nacc> mixxit: i don't have a stock ubuntu 17.10 in front of me
[18:07] <mixxit> so many processes
[18:07] <nacc> mixxit: ... with grep?
[18:08] <mixxit> ./usr/bin/gnome-software --gapplication-service
[18:08] <mixxit> is it this?
[18:08] <nacc> mixxit: possibly ... is that leading '.' in your `ps aux` output?
[18:09] <mixxit> no
[18:09] <nacc> mixxit: oh ok, then yes that is it
[18:09] <nacc> mixxit: is your system fully up to date otherwise?
[18:09] <mixxit> yeah i did an update and it asked me to restart
[18:09] <nacc> mixxit: and did you?
[18:09] <mixxit> and then i tried to install discord and it gave me the error
[18:10] <mixxit> i did reboot yeah
[18:10] <nacc> mixxit: ok
[18:10] <nacc> mixxit: you can file a bug on it, if you want
[18:10] <mixxit> the command he gave me fixed the one
[18:10] <mixxit> i did snap remove after and then reinstalled using the ubuntu software window and it now it kinda knows its installed
[18:10] <mixxit> but im not sure what gnome-3-26-1604 did
[18:11] <gluon> mixxit: that's sort of a dependency that discord needs
[18:11] <gluon> and many other snaps
[18:11] <mixxit> oh right
[18:11] <gluon> it isn't handled automatically by snappy though
[18:11] <mixxit> ok is it easy for me to log a bug report
[18:11] <ioria> mixxit, similar : https://github.com/phw/peek/issues/210
[18:12] <gluon> mixxit: i was about to suggest you to reinstall discord, but you figured it out on your own too
[18:12] <nacc> !bug | mixxit: i'd check first, it seems like something possibly known
[18:12] <mixxit> thanks yes this is the first time ive ever used snap
[18:12] <nacc> mixxit: or ask in #snappy maybe
[18:12] <mixxit> oh i tried that but i couldnt figure out what hte name was
[18:12] <gluon> it's not a bug, it's the way snappy works right now
[18:13] <gluon> it doesn't automatically install that gnome dep
[18:13] <nacc> gluon: it's *definitely* a bug that the software center cannot install something, IMO
[18:13] <gluon> and then gnome software fails
[18:13] <nacc> gluon: it's a bug in gnome software -- they can choose not to fix it, but it's still a bug :)
[18:13] <gluon> nacc: yeah, fair enough, but it's related to snappy
[18:13] <gluon> right
[18:13] <nacc> gluon: yeah, i imagine it is :)
[18:13] <nacc> gluon: i'd just rather it get documented, if it's nont already
[18:13] <gluon> it's definitely unexpected beahaviour at least
[18:13] <nacc> (bug = documentation, in this case)
[18:14] <nacc> yeah
[18:14] <gluon> yeah
[18:14] <nacc> mixxit: i think you'd file it against gnome-software or ubuntu-software
[18:15] <mixxit> ok thanks
[18:15] <gluon> perhaps gnome-software on ubuntu should be aware of this and pull the gnome dep using snap, before installing any snaps that depend on it
[18:16] <gluon> or maybe snappy should do it automatically
[18:16] <nacc> gluon: this is just that snapd can't resolve the interfaces needed by a snap?
[18:16] <nacc> gluon: resolve = install them as deps
[18:16] <gluon> yes
[18:16] <nacc> gluon: ok, yeah, i remember reading about that a while back
[18:16] <gluon> not even on the command line
[18:16] <nacc> right
[18:17] <gluon> i'm not sure that's by design or still a lacking feature
[18:17] <gluon> but i shall investigate
[18:17] <Datz> Hi, I'm trying to get wake on lan to be active at boot. I get "Wake-on: d" through ethtool, but have added "up ethtool -s eth0 wol g" to /etc/network/interfaces under my static configuration. Any ideas?
[18:18] <gluon> mixxit: i've started using snaps recently too and had a similar issue on other snap that also needed that gnome runtime
[18:18] <gluon> but otherwise, it's great
[18:19] <gluon> quite handy to install sandboxed apps that you don't fully trust, for instance
[18:19] <gluon> or that aren't available otherwise
[18:21] <TJ-> Datz: the system is using ifupdown (rather than network-manager or systemd-networkd) ?
[18:21] <Datz> TJ-: I made the assumtion that it was, as my static IP address gets set
[18:21] <mixxit> ok i reported it
[18:21] <mixxit> thanks guys
[18:21] <TJ-> Datz: OK, just that it'd be the obvious reason :)
[18:21] <Datz> TJ-: I'm looking into adding an option to /etc/rc.local
[18:22] <gluon> mixxit: np
[18:22] <Datz> TJ-: ok. Well I'll try and verify that
[18:22] <Jordan_U> Datz: Please pastebin the output of "sudo ethtool eth0". What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[18:22] <Datz> I think I'm on 16.04
[18:22] <TJ-> Datz: why not put the command into a shell script that also writes a log entry to a file when called, then call the script with the "up"? Then you know it is being executed and debug better
[18:23] <Datz> TJ-: If I can't do it another way, that sounds good
[18:23] <BluesKaj> Datz, set your dns in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[18:23] <TJ-> Datz: i often use script that log to figure out such issues
[18:23] <Datz> Jordan_U: https://hastebin.com/ukehanigoq.sql
[18:24] <Datz> TJ-: I see
[18:24] <Datz> apparently ethtool should be trying to enable wol by default.
[18:24] <Datz> According to what I'm reading
[18:25] <Jordan_U> Datz: "enp4s0", note that's not eth0.
[18:25] <ioria> gluon, nacc     found this:  https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/24/latest-and-greatest-versions-of-gnome-apps-on-your-desktop/
[18:26] <nacc> ioria: makes sense
[18:26] <Datz> Jordan_U: I don't understand the significance
[18:26] <nacc> ioria: i know there is ongoing work in a lot of these directions, base snaps (which are a different dependency matrix altogether) and then nstuff like this, where you want a gnome app, which means you ened a gnome runtime the app can see
[18:26] <ioria> nacc, yep
[18:27] <nacc> ioria: the one advantage of snaps in this case is that sinnce snapd gets SRUd currently, all releases will hopefully benefit as they change the model :)
[18:27] <Jordan_U> Datz: You said you added "up ethtool -s eth0 wol g" to /etc/network/interfaces. The interface "eth0" doesn't exist, so that can't possibly enable wol on it. The rest of your /etc/network/interfaces entry should also use enp4s0 instead of eth0.
[18:28] <ioria> nacc, it's a great work, in my opinion
[18:28] <Datz> Jordan_U: ah, my bad, I was just copying that from the web. I substituted that for enp4s0
[18:33] <romantic> Hello, what is the latest kernel for ubuntu 16.04 LTS? is it -97 or -98?
[18:33] <ioria> romantic, depends ... on the hwe
[18:33] <ioria> romantic, but let's say -98
[18:33] <romantic> ok, I have -98 installed but I am not reboooting into it correctly, I constantly land in -97
[18:34] <SQL> eh?
[18:34] <romantic> when I reboot, uname -r says (4.4.0-97-generic)
[18:34] <ioria> romantic, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:35] <romantic> ioria - that’s the nuke?
[18:35] <ioria> romantic, nope
[18:35] <nacc> romantic: did you at some point change the entry you booted in grub (from the topmost one)?
[18:36] <romantic> I wouldn’t know how to do that, but I’ll check what it is
[18:36] <romantic> (you have to tell me where)
[18:36] <nacc> romantic: when you start your computer, you might see a grub menu
[18:36] <nacc> romantic: depends on your configuration
[18:36] <DrPancake> ahaha realising you began to compress 50 gigs of files :( this is going to take a while -.-
[18:36] <romantic> nacc I do not
[18:36] <romantic> nacc: boots right into lightdm
[18:37] <nacc> romantic: ok, follow ioria's advice first
[18:38] <romantic> ioria: small update: 18 packages only
[18:38] <ioria> romantic, ans maybe paste sudo update-grub
[18:39] <TJ-> romantic: what does this report? "  grep -- 'menuentry .*' /boot/grub/grub.cfg " - it should show all the bootable kernel versions
[18:42] <romantic> ioria: you want paste in irc of outpu?
[18:42] <ioria> romantic, on paste.uubntu.com or use pastebinit
[18:42] <ioria> romantic, on paste.ubuntu.com
[18:43] <romantic> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975904/
[18:44] <ioria> romantic, are you sure -98 is installed ? dpkg -l|grep linux-image-[0-9]|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'
[18:45] <romantic> ioria: yup, that’s why I’m here
[18:45] <TJ-> romantic: check if -98 is installed with "ls /boot/{vmlinuz,initrd.img}*" - make sure there are both vmlinuz- and initrd.img- with the -98 version number. If the initrd.img- for -98 is missing then build it with "sudo update-initramfs -c -k 4.4.0-98-generic" then if no errors  "sudo update-grub"
[18:45] <romantic> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975920/
[18:46] <romantic> TJ-: vmlinuz is not there
[18:46] <TJ-> romantic: could be the /boot/ file-system ran out of space and the initrd wasn't created, so won't be in the GRUB menu
[18:46] <TJ-> romantic: then -98 isn't installed
[18:46] <romantic> but I have parts of it, and it’s confusing the nvidia driver
[18:47] <TJ-> romantic: show us "pastebinit <( df -h )"
[18:47] <romantic> TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975930/
[18:47] <ioria> romantic,  something wrong, there is no -96  but it shows up in update-grub ; paste also    ls /boot
[18:48] <romantic> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975934/
[18:48] <romantic> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975937/
[18:49] <TJ-> romantic: that looks OK; /boot/ has 275MB free
[18:49] <romantic> patebinit is very nice, just saying'
[18:49] <TJ-> romantic: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.4.0-98-generic"
[18:50] <TJ-> romantic: if you get errors, pastebin them, if not, it should be sorted
[18:50] <romantic> ok, this worked, I see 98 in grub
[18:51] <romantic> and the 98 vmlinuz
[18:51] <romantic> let’s go for a reboot
[18:51] <TJ-> romantic: not yet!!
[18:52] <romantic> what next?
[18:52] <romantic> it’s rebooting ;/
[18:52] <TJ-> romantic: now ensure the headers are installed with "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-headers-4.4.0-98-generic"
[18:52] <ioria> romantic,  check the headers for -98 ....
[18:52] <ioria> romantic,  you can get them the linux-generic pkg
[18:52] <TJ-> romantic: OK, well it should at least boot, -headers is needed for out-of-tree drivers like nvidia to be built correctly
[18:53] <romantic> headers installed
[18:53] <romantic> it did boot in 98
[18:53] <TJ-> romantic: seems to be sorted then
[18:53] <romantic> I’ll rebuild the nvidia driver and see
[18:54] <romantic> the boot is really small at  500gb
[18:54] <romantic> 500 Mb
[18:55] <TJ-> romantic: no, that's about right if you make sure to use "apt-get autoremove" to clear out older kernels. Also ensure DKMS doesn't leave old initrd.img files in there when it backs them up - they use up a LOT of space
[18:55] <romantic> how can I enforce both ?
[18:55] <nullbyte_> bootlogd package is removed from ubuntu
[18:56] <nacc> nullbyte_: is that a question?
[18:56] <TJ-> romantic: apt generally reminds you when there are packages that can be removed
[18:56] <kostkon> !info bootlogd artful
[18:56] <genii> !info bootlogd
[18:56] <genii> !info bootlogd bionic
[18:57] <romantic> TJ-: nvm, I’ve installed autoremove, does it have a man page?
[18:57] <TJ-> romantic: for DKMS check with "ls /boot/*dkms*"
[18:57] <genii> hm
[18:57] <nacc> genii: kostkon: yes, it does not exist. I am tryign to get nullbyte_ to explain what they wat
[18:57] <nacc> *wannt
[18:58] <jmft2> TJ-: Hello again. Do you have any further ideas about the DNS resolution?
[18:58] <nacc> iirc, it's because bootlogd does nothing under systemd
[18:59] <TJ-> jmft2: No. I did some reading up and wondered if there's something extra you've added to PAM since /etc/pam.d/sudo is used too
[19:00] <romantic> TJ-: documentation on apt-get autoremove?
[19:00] <TJ-> jmft2: I did read where a user had nss failing due to corruption in /etc/nsswitch.conf - we saw Windows line-endings in /etc/hosts; wondering if they're in /etc/nsswitch.conf too and breaking the parsing of that file
[19:00] <TJ-> romantic: "man apt-get"
[19:01] <romantic> TJ-: ok, I have to cron.d it?
[19:01] <romantic> last thing I want is to run out of space there…
[19:03] <TJ-> nacc: >jmft2< has weird issue on 17.10. When network is down, 'sudo ...' is freezing due to being unable to resolve hostname. We've exhaustively checked /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf and got "hosts:    files myhostname ..." but it fails. also, "getent ahost $(hostname)" fails likewise, which does suggest an NSS issue. Any ideas?
[19:04] <romantic> nacc: TJ-: All is good - system is back Thank you so much.
[19:04] <Datz> I think my system may not support WOL
[19:04] <TJ-> s/ahost/ahosts/
[19:05] <nacc> romantic: np
[19:06] <nacc> TJ-: hold on, i think i have a bug reference on that lookup
[19:06] <TJ-> nacc: I did search in glibc but didn't find anything nss related
[19:07] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, it's two bugs, i think
[19:07] <nacc> TJ-: one is the nss issue itself
[19:07] <nacc> TJ-: but sudo shouldn't have this weird dependency
[19:08] <TJ-> sudo is calling the libc resolver for gethostbyname() I assume; pretty standard for any program
[19:08] <nacc> TJ-: right, but i think systemd-resolved isn't timing out properly
[19:08] <nacc> TJ-: still waiting on the bug #, sorry
[19:08] <nacc> TJ-: ok, so not exactly, but LP: #1730744
[19:08] <TJ-> nacc: it shouldn't reach the resolver; nsswitch.conf ordering says 1: files, 2: myhostname
[19:08] <nacc> so is it possible it's not freezing, just slow?
[19:09] <nacc> TJ-: systemd :)
[19:09] <nacc> which i think is before the nsswitch is parsed? not sure
[19:10] <TJ-> nacc: no, the other way around
[19:10] <nacc> TJ-: ah
[19:10] <nacc> TJ-: one workaroud for the above was to put a static line in /etc/hosts
[19:10] <TJ-> nacc: 'dns' is one of the options, and it's last in the ordering
[19:10] <nacc> TJ-: hrm
[19:10] <TJ-> nacc: already there, that's the problem.
[19:10] <nacc> TJ-: ad libnss-myhostname is installed?
[19:11] <TJ-> jmft2: how long does sudo freeze when the network is offline? forever, or many minutes, or something else?
[19:11] <TJ-> nacc: yes
[19:11] <nacc> TJ-: i also had hacked mine to do "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname" apparently :)
[19:11] <jmft2> TJ-: A few minutes, I haven't timed it. I can say that 'strace sudo' doesn't hang, but exits.
[19:12] <TJ-> nacc: I did some testing here in a 1710 container but couldn't reproduce entirely; initially there were some issues with incomplete /etc/hosts but we fixed those.
[19:12] <nacc> TJ-: ok
[19:12] <TJ-> jmft2: can you show use "grep 'hosts:' /etc/nsswitch.conf" ?
[19:13] <nacc> TJ-: i sadly don't know much about this -- other than it is terrible when it doens't work
[19:13] <TJ-> nacc: the one 'clue' I wondered about was in jmft2 system it's using IPv6 first
[19:13] <nacc> ah interesting
[19:14] <jmft2> TJ-: nacc: 'hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname'
[19:14] <TJ-> nacc: but "getent ahosts $(hostname)" was returning a record for the hostname, and "getent ahostsv4 $(hostname)" works for IPv4 too
[19:14] <TJ-> jmft2: nacc thanks - that "files" should read /etc/hosts first, then try multicast-DNS, then dns (systemd-resolvd), then libnss-myhostname
[19:15] <TJ-> jmft2: try moving "myhostname" to first in the list, before files
[19:16] <Jordan_U> Datz: What is the output, if any, of "sudo ethtool -s enp4s0 wol g"?
[19:16] <TJ-> jmft2: also, use "hexdump -C /etc/nsswitch.conf" or similar to ensure no 'bad' ASCII codes (such as 0x0D) in the file
[19:17] <Datz> Jordan_U: well, I tried magic packet, but the system didn't want to go up
[19:17] <Datz> Jordan_U: and it is remote, so it's going to be a bit until i get manualy restart it.
[19:18] <jmft2> TJ-: nacc: So what does libnss-myhostname do?
[19:18] <Datz> Jordan_U: I'll have a look through bios again, there's no wol defined, but some other wake events, that should be the same thing or so I've read
[19:19] <nacc> jmft2: i believe it helps ensure local hostame is resolveable
[19:19] <TJ-> jmft2: ^^^^
[19:20] <TJ-> jmft2: you're setting the order that the C standard library tries to resolve names for calls to gethostbyname()
[19:20] <nacc> jmft2: without it, you have to make sure the right value(s) are in /etc/hosts at all times, or you are likely to get ... brokenness
[19:23] <jmft2> TJ-: nacc: Tried moving 'myhostname' to the first in /etc/nsswitch.conf, and no 0x0d. Rebooted. Same behaviour, 'getent ahosts hussar' works before disconnecting and then stops working.
[19:23] <TJ-> jmft2: I was trying to find an option/env-var to get nss debugging, but not found one so far.
[19:26] <akik> why is there a [NOTFOUND=return] in nsswitch.conf? it stops the name resolution if the host is not found from files or mdns4_minimal
[19:27] <TJ-> jmft2: anything in the logs? "journalctl -u systemd-resolved.service"
[19:27] <smoser> to the person that is seeing this problem. are you using resolvconf on the host ?
[19:28] <smoser> i'm curious because that was the only place that we saw it, and switching out of resolvconf "fixed" the problem.
[19:28] <smoser> (ie, just writing 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' into /etc/resolv.conf )
[19:29] <nacc> smoser: jmft2 is the one seeing it, and TJ- is trying to help resolve it
[19:29] <TJ-> smoser: thanks for dropping in :) the more brains the better !
[19:30] <smoser> TJ-: i just filed the original bug and worked around it with public dns entries.
[19:30] <smoser> :)
[19:30] <TJ-> smoser: only happens when the system is offline; I think your bug was a delay even when online?
[19:30] <smoser> i'm not sure you want my help :)
[19:30] <smoser> TJ-: yes, we saw when online.
[19:30] <smoser> and there easily reprodicible script there.
[19:31] <TJ-> smoser: it 'feels' like the typical nsswitch.conf problem when /etc/hosts didn't contain /etc/hostname entry, but we've triple-checked all that
[19:31] <fluvvell> is anyone familiar with fixing the top menu bar (16.04) on a dual screen? I cant find the right utility. My left bar underlaps the right screen
[19:31] <fluvvell> I've tried ccsm and I can't find it there
[19:31] <fluvvell> if only it right clicked and came up with settings or properties :-(
[19:32] <TJ-> smoser: to me it feels like nsswitch.conf is being ignored, and as that is part of glibc can't see how that'd happen *unless* the file had some hidden corruption/parsing fail
[19:32] <Pazooza> Why is the details windows in update just a single black line that can't be expanded? 17.10
[19:32] <fluvvell> mbc()875
[19:32] <nicomachus> Pazooza: if you want full output you can just update from a terminal.
[19:33] <nicomachus> `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[19:33] <fluvvell> nicomachus: apt-get
[19:33]  * TJ- has to eat dinner; be back soonish
[19:33] <Pazooza> There is supposed to be a terminal windows in there, must be broken?
[19:34] <jmft2> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/1wrd2AC0 is the output of journalctl. I don't think there's anything special there.
[19:35] <nicomachus> fluvvell: no, I meant apt.
[19:36] <Pazooza> Or a wayland glitch.
[19:36] <jmft2> smoser: Putting <IP_ADDRESS> wouldn't help: my problem only occurs when I disconnect from a network.
[19:36] <fluvvell> nicomachus, apt-get update
[19:36] <fluvvell> there is no apt
[19:36] <nicomachus> !info apt | fluvvell
[19:36] <fluvvell> you may mean aptitude
[19:37] <fluvvell> omg I'm living in the dark ages why don't i read more
[19:37] <smoser> is resolvconf involved ?
[19:37] <nicomachus> fluvvell: apt is the new apt-get
[19:37] <fluvvell> lol, I should get on here more often
[19:38] <lordcirth_work> That's one of the reasons I lurk here :P
[19:38] <fluvvell> thats what you get for starting with ubuntu 5.08
[19:38] <lordcirth_work> You never know what you'll learn
[19:38] <nicomachus> fluvvell: there is no 5.08
[19:38] <nicomachus> lol
[19:39] <nicomachus> there's 5.04 and 5.10, no 5.08
[19:41] <fluvvell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/5.08-1
[19:41] <fluvvell> its clearly altzheimers because I remember things from long ago lol!!
[19:43] <nicomachus> ...that's for the program "files"
[19:44] <fluvvell> meanwhile I was probably thinking of 6.06
[19:45] <fluvvell> the release that *was* out of the 4-10 release cycle
[19:45] <fluvvell> if only someone could help with my actual problem of top menu bar-itis
[19:47] <lordcirth_work> fluvvell, it's a hard issue to reproduce
[19:47] <lordcirth_work> fluvvell, are your monitors different resolutions?
[19:48] <fluvvell> lordcirth_work, true. Yes they are. 4k and  1600x1050. I've got the scaling close enough
[19:48] <Lavinho> good night
[19:48] <lordcirth_work> fluvvell, and what exactly do you mean by "My left bar underlaps the right screen"?
[19:48] <fluvvell> in fact I had it working until for some stupid reason we disconnected the 4k to test on another machine
[19:48] <Lavinho> how to install ubuntu acer es1-132
[19:49] <Lavinho> ?
[19:49] <lordcirth_work> Like, part of it is off screen?
[19:49] <lordcirth_work> Lavinho, are you encountering a problem installing?
[19:49] <fluvvell> then reconnected it and poof.  Yes, I've got top menu bars on both screens (or did have) and the overall virtual size is....
[19:49] <Lavinho> no
[19:50] <Lavinho> so no bootable device
[19:50] <lordcirth_work> fluvvell, have you rebooted after plugging it back in?
[19:50] <Lavinho> after installation
[19:50] <fluvvell> 4240x1440
[19:50] <fluvvell> lordcirth_work, multiple times
[19:51] <fluvvell> lordcirth_work, and the change to where xorg.conf files are saved has me scratching my head, and clearly nvidia have no clue because they default to /etc/X11
[19:51] <Lavinho> lodrich_work help me
[19:52] <fluvvell> but the res annd layout are different issues to the menu bar
[19:52] <fluvvell> Q: is the menu bar part of Unity  ?
[19:52] <fluvvell> or compiz ?
[19:52] <lordcirth_work> Lavinho, this, and the other thread it links to, seems relevant: https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/483647/acer-aspire-es1-132-c685-ubuntu-installation-dual-boot-single-os-fails-help
[19:53] <lordcirth_work> fluvvell, Unity I think
[19:53] <fluvvell> maybe I had better look more closely at unity tweaks
[19:54] <Lavinho> no understand
[19:56] <fluvvell> yep, nope
[19:57] <jfcaron> If I don't have sudo or root access to a machine, is it still possible to use apt or some other package manager to install software for my user only, instead of system-wide?
[19:57] <hggdh> jfcaron: no, you cannot.
[19:58] <jfcaron> So my only option is compiling all these programs myself, or begging the sysadmins to install system-wide?
[19:58] <hggdh> jfcaron: you could probably use snaps though (if what you want has been already snappyfied)
[19:59]  * jmft2 thanks TJ- and nacc for their time again, but decides to install 16.04 instead.
[20:00] <ioria> jfcaron, you can use apt-get source PACKAGE and ./configure --prefix=$HOME/program, but 1) not advisable 2) you need to resolve dependencies
[20:00] <dax> and 3) that's still "compiling all these programs myself"
[20:00] <ioria> dax right, i missed that
[20:01] <nacc> jfcaron: what kind of programs do you need?
[20:01] <sigilbaram> How can I disable unattended-upgr? I'm getting really tired if it always preventing me from doing updates?
[20:01] <jfcaron> Mostly science/CLI utility programs: root-system, gnuplot, tree, rdiff-backup. Q_Q
[20:01] <nacc> jfcaron: if it's just cli stuff, you could use a LXD (where you'd have 'root')
[20:01] <nacc> jfcaron: if you need more, spin up a VM where you'd also have root
[20:02] <jfcaron> Ugh.  The admins said it would be *easier* if I got them to install Ubuntu.
[20:03] <nacc> jfcaron: using all those tools would be easier in ubuntu, i imagine, if you mean rlative to say ... windows
[20:03] <nacc> jfcaron: but we don't know what you mean currenntly
[20:03] <jfcaron> I will just reinstall with my own DVD and be the owner, then the only hassle is getting on the network (and there's a readme for that).
[20:03] <nacc> jfcaron: if you're allowed to do that, then why can't you just be given sudo?
[20:04] <jfcaron> I will beg a bit harder for sudo.
[20:04] <nacc> jfcaron: just seems odd. if you have physical access, you basically have root
[20:04] <jfcaron> I think their install is customized so the users are also institutional user accounts and have shared directories and such.
[20:04] <dax> if you can boot from live media, you can add yourself to sudo with a text editor and about five minutes, assuming no crypto
[20:05] <dax> so yeah, it's a bit odd
[20:05] <nacc> jfcaron: yeah, i'd just talk to the admins. Perhaps it was just oversight
[20:05] <jfcaron> Like the login I use is the same one for the institutional webmail and intranet page.
[20:05] <nacc> jfcaron: sure, that's the authenticatio part, probably
[20:05] <nacc> jfcaron: but that is distinct from what you are authorized to do on the system
[20:06] <jfcaron> Yeah, sudo on the box doesn't mean I get admin access to the network.
[20:06] <nacc> jfcaron: right, so you could also just do what dax said, boot inot a live, edit the fileystem's cotnents to give your user sudo and be done with it.
[20:06] <nacc> jfcaron: it's not something the admins can control, if they let you have physical access, afaict
[20:07] <jfcaron> Ok, I will google how to do that.  The admins don't seem to be around this afternoon.
[20:07] <dax> (also assuming local booting and not netboot or something odd like that)
[20:07] <akik> nacc: it not so straight forward. there are policies in every company what you can and can't do
[20:07] <ioria> jfcaron, chroot
[20:09] <amflir> I have a program foo which crashes after some time. I want it to run again after crashing every time it crashes. If I add a crontab entry to run it every x minutes, in case it does not crash, multiple instances of the program will be running. What can I do?
[20:09] <nacc> akik: yes, that's a policy. I'm sayinng that based upon what's described, the admis are not preventing jfcaron from having root.
[20:10] <nacc> akik: they might have it written down in some doc, but that was not expressed (and is not being technically enforced)
[20:10] <nacc> jfcaron: i'm not suggestign violating the rules, if there are any. I'm suggesting you tell the admin that you can get sudo already, but would prefer they administer it, I guess.
[20:10] <nacc> or somethign along those lines
[20:11] <EriC^^> amflir: you could check if it's already running
[20:11] <jfcaron> I'm in the USA, where it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
[20:11] <amflir> EriC^^, how?
[20:11] <nacc> amflir: 1) fix the crash; 2) write a wrapper script that just spawns in a loop?; 3) add a check in the crontab
[20:11] <jfcaron> And this way I learn something. =p
[20:12] <EriC^^> amflir: if ! pgrep <program>; then /path/to/program; fi
[20:12] <ioria> jfcaron, just edit the /etc/group  sudo line   :þ
[20:12] <akik> amflir: here's one silly example: while [ true ]; do firefox; done
[20:13] <EriC^^> amflir: might want to add some switches to pgrep to make it more robust and dead-on see "man pgrep"
[20:15] <hggdh> well, they can always install Ubuntu setting root with a password - which means no recovery boot (but would still possibly allow for a USB boot/mount root/play
[20:26] <amflir> EriC^^, my process is listed as "bash /path/to/foo" when I do "ps aux". When I "pgrep foo" it outputs nothing. When I "pgrep bash", it outputs multiple things which one of them is foo. what to do?
[20:27] <EriC^^> amflir: try pgrep -xf "bash /path/to/foo"
[20:31] <EriC^^> amflir: how are you running it from crontab btw? by default it uses sh i think
[20:31] <EriC^^> so you'll want bash /path/to/foo in the crontab line
[20:40] <jadesoturi> Hi. im trying to install phpmyadmin on an ubuntu vm but im not getting promted for the root password to mysql and thus installation fails.. how can i make the install package promt from root password ?
[20:41] <jadesoturi> essentially getting this: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[20:41] <jadesoturi> no problem logging in using -u root -p
[20:41] <jadesoturi> and providing a password.
[20:42] <jadesoturi> anyone ?
[20:46] <Mehrzad> Does ubuntu 17.10 ship with a swap file instead of a swap partition?
[20:46] <nacc> Mehrzad: on fresh installs, yes (iirc)
[20:47] <Mehrzad> nacc: I want to upgrade from 16.04 LTS and replace the swap partition with a swap file altogether
[20:47] <akik> jadesoturi: is that mysql 5.7?
[20:48] <Mehrzad> I know that it requires an upgrade to 17.04 and then 17.10, but i don't know when to do the swap alternation thing
[20:48] <energizer> Is it a bad idea to disable swap? My computer freezes whenever I try to do something too big for it, id rather it just cancel the job.
[20:49] <jadesoturi> akik:  Server version: 10.1.26-MariaDB-0+deb9u1 Debian 9.1
[20:50] <jadesoturi> and mysql  Ver 15.1 Distrib 10.1.26-MariaDB, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2
[20:50] <jadesoturi> so 5.2 i guess..
[20:50] <akik> jadesoturi: ok there was some authentication change that came with mysql 5.7
[20:50] <akik> jadesoturi: https://dzone.com/articles/change-user-password-in-mysql-57-with-plugin-auth
[20:50] <nacc> jadesoturi: wait, you're getting a failed auth for localhost, so are you istnalling on the debian or the ubuntu?
[20:51] <nacc> jadesoturi: also, 10.1.26 is not in any supported version nof ubuntu
[20:51] <nacc> jadesoturi: (for mariadb)
[20:52] <jadesoturi> yeah. looks like i got this on a debian vm (proxmox machines)
[20:52] <jadesoturi> but the problem is not what you are refering to
[20:53] <jadesoturi> its that durring the install/configuration of phpmyadmin im supposted to be promted for the root password for the local mysql right? but that never happens, so when the installation tries to write phpmyadmin stuff to the database, it failes, with the above error
[20:53] <nacc> jadesoturi: are you even using ubuntu's phpymadmin?
[20:53] <nacc> jadesoturi: so fare you've shown two non-ubuntu package versions
[20:54] <nacc> jadesoturi: if you are ont using ubuntu, this is not the suppoort channel you are looking for
[20:54] <jadesoturi> nacc as i said: this seems to be a debian VM, mixed up with another VM i have
[20:54] <jadesoturi> so yeah. ill check debian..
[20:54] <nacc> jadesoturi: right, so we can't help fix your debian issue here
[20:54] <mutante> adding the GUI to mysql always adds new problems.. like this one.. and in the end people type the identical SELECT queries they would type on console, only they paste them into a web form, but somehow that feels "easier".. i dont fully understand why
[20:55] <jadesoturi> nacc kinda already got that..
[20:55] <shazbotmcnasty> Hey I'm having some trouble with Ruby
[20:55] <shazbotmcnasty> well
[20:55] <shazbotmcnasty> i'm not really sure what the exact issue is.
[20:55] <nacc> mutante: nor do i -- and there are many security reasons not to use it as well
[20:56] <mutante> nacc: ack
[20:56] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: probably need more details than that
[20:56] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: if it's specific to ruby, you may want to ask in a ruby channel
[20:57] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: sorry i was pasting lol - https://pastebin.com/kGWHR452
[20:57] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm not really sure
[20:57] <shazbotmcnasty> I'll hop in there though and ask
[21:00] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: it would appear (i know thinng about ruby) that you are requiring smoethig that is not installed
[21:00] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: they said that i don't have a bundler installed - do you know how to get one?
[21:01] <nacc> !info ruby-bundler | shazbotmcnasty
[21:01] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i assume it's taht
[21:02] <shazbotmcnasty> neato thanks
[21:12] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: so uhmm, now i'm getting "Your ruby version is 2.3.1, but your gemfile specified 2.4.1"
[21:13] <shazbotmcnasty> the ruby guys spat off a bunch of stuff but I have no freakin clue what they're trying to say
[21:14] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i don't really use ruby, i don't know -- does your gemfile specif 2.4.1?
[21:14] <shazbotmcnasty> i...don't know what a gemfile is man
[21:14] <shazbotmcnasty> or woman
[21:14] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: why are you usig ruby
[21:14] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i feel like you're missing somethinng rather obvious
[21:14] <shazbotmcnasty> https://docs.zammad.org/en/latest/channel-fetchmail.html?highlight=ticket%2520creation%2520
[21:15] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: http://bundler.io/v1.5/gemfile.html
[21:15] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm attempting to use prconfigured stuff, just have to be able to run these scripts
[21:15] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: how did you install rails?
[21:15] <shazbotmcnasty> apt-get install ruby-full
[21:16] <shazbotmcnasty> then they told me to use 'gem install bundler' for the bundler
[21:16] <kran> I have a latitude 6410 and the video is choppy over DisplayPort/HDMI.
[21:16] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: ah
[21:16] <kran> Using latest Ubuntu 17.10 version
[21:16] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: you istalled a bundler as a gem and isntalled the ubuntu versionn?
[21:16] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: just like most other languages don't mix and match
[21:16] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: esp. if you don't know how to debug it :)
[21:17] <shazbotmcnasty> ok so i'm going to attempt and remove the bundler and install the one you said to
[21:17] <shazbotmcnasty> hahaha
[21:17] <shazbotmcnasty> muahahahahaha this sucks
[21:18] <kran> Actually it's choppy even just on the laptop
[21:19] <kran> I am running video from a MyPassport external drive over USB 2.0
[21:19] <kran> Copying video to the internal SSD makes it run fine
[21:19] <kran> So I thought it was a USB issue
[21:19] <kran> However, running the file on my PC via USB 2.0 works fine.
[21:20] <kran> Likewise, the external drive performs without issue with a WD TV MEDIA PLAYER, also over USB 2.0.
[21:20] <kran> So I can't pin down the issue, except Ubuntu
[21:21] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: lol i uninstalled the bundler installed wuith gem and installed the other one ruby-bundler
[21:21] <shazbotmcnasty> same error
[21:21] <shazbotmcnasty> where's the gemfile
[21:21] <shazbotmcnasty> lol
[21:23] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i don't konw, sorry
[21:25] <kran> Just tried it on an identical Latitude 6410 with Mint 18.  Linux Mint 18.2 was released in June 2017, four months after the release of Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS (on which it’s based).
[21:32] <tonyt> according to that my previous statement is correct nacc
[21:32] <nacc> tonyt: mint is not supported here
[21:32] <nacc> !mint | tonyt
[21:32] <tonyt> nacc no shit
[21:32] <tonyt> im not looking for support
[21:32] <nacc> tonyt: mint is not ubuntu, you can think what you want.
[21:35] <tonyt> thats nice nacc. time to move on
[21:36] <leftyfb> tonyt: saying mint is ubuntu is saying ubuntu is debian
[21:39] <onomatopiea> Where is my firefox in aptitude repos? :x
[21:39] <onomatopiea> WHy is the new version not there yet?
[21:39] <leftyfb> onomatopiea: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[21:39] <onomatopiea> 16.04
[21:40] <nacc> !info firefox xenial
[21:40] <leftyfb> onomatopiea: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:40] <nacc> onomatopiea: 57.0 is in the repositories.
[21:40] <onomatopiea> Is it nacc ? It's not upgrading
[21:40] <leftyfb> I installed it last night
[21:40] <onomatopiea> sudo apt-get update
[21:40] <nacc> onomatopiea: might depend on your mirrors
[21:40] <onomatopiea> sudo apt-get upgrade <-- gives me nothing on the default repos
[21:40] <nacc> onomatopiea: do you have security and/or updates enabled?
[21:40] <leftyfb> onomatopiea: please run: sudo apt-cache policy firefox
[21:40] <nacc> leftyfb: donn't need sudo
[21:41] <leftyfb> habit :)
[21:41] <onomatopiea> What will this do then?
[21:41] <leftyfb> onomatopiea: help us troubleshoot
[21:41] <nacc> onomatopiea: pastebin the output, it will tell us what firefox you have and what versions the ubuntu archives are offering to you
[21:41] <onomatopiea> Ok... I've got it already apparently!
[21:42] <onomatopiea> When did that happen...
[21:42] <nacc> onomatopiea: ok ... so why do you think you don't 57.0?
[21:42] <leftyfb> :/
[21:42] <nacc> *don't have
[21:42] <Bashing-om> onomatopiea: Maybe your mirror has not caught up yet .. my mirror had FF57 Yesternight . ' apt list firefox ' >> firefox/xenial-security,xenial-updates,now 57.0+build4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd .
[21:42] <onomatopiea> I have it! I wonder when it upgraded though
[21:42] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: they have it already
[21:42] <leftyfb> onomatopiea: did you even bother opening it to check?
[21:43] <onomatopiea> Yes I did earlier today
[21:43] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: :) Haste makes waste .
[21:43] <onomatopiea> How is it so far though? a quick go makes it feel FAST
[21:44] <leftyfb> onomatopiea: grep " installed firefox:amd64" /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:44] <leftyfb> that should tell you what day/time it was installed
[21:44] <nacc> also, once it upgrades, it won't restart firefox on its own
[21:45] <nacc> (iirc)
[21:45] <onomatopiea> I never use firefox
[21:45] <nacc> onomatopiea: you just said you opened it earlier today
[21:45] <nacc> onomatopiea: i have no way of knonwing your firefox usage habits...
[21:45] <kostkon> onomatopiea, give sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade another go
[21:45] <leftyfb> also, why the strong complaint if you never use it?
[21:46] <leftyfb> kostkon: it's already installed
[21:46] <kostkon> oh..
[21:46] <onomatopiea> Thanks.. I think I'm just being a dolt
[21:46] <onomatopiea> I stopped using firefox for chrome back in 2009 or so
[21:46] <onomatopiea> This new version, when I tried it on windows, seemed much better than chrome
[21:46] <leftyfb> then why did you care so strongly that it wasn't installed?
[21:46] <onomatopiea> Becaue I am moving to it :x
[21:56]  * DaemonFC notices that Ubuntu still allows several WebkitGTK releases to back up before pushing an update.
[21:57] <DaemonFC> According to upstream, at one point it was worse. There were (iirc) 188 open CVEs on it before an update was pushed.
[21:57] <DaemonFC> This time there were only 13.
[22:05] <nacc> DaemonFC: it's in universe
[22:05] <nacc> DaemonFC: there is no security support for it, basically
[22:06] <nacc> because they have 100s of CVEs, I'd assume :)
[22:06] <DaemonFC> That's not measurably worse than any other "modern web" browser if you don't update it for like two years. :)
[22:09] <nacc> DaemonFC: i meant, that's a lot of security review needed
[22:09] <nacc> DaemonFC: only so many people, only so much time
[22:09] <nacc> DaemonFC: nothing in main depends on it, so it gets demoted
[22:10] <Paddy_NI> Hey guys I am just trying to figure something out.  In Ubuntu 17.10 (gnome) what is the purpose of the "screen sharing" option in settings > sharing?
[22:10] <DaemonFC> Yeah, hoping we get WebkitGTK+ 2.20 in before 18.04 though.
[22:10] <DaemonFC> Some good features in there such as using less CPU/battery.
[22:10] <Paddy_NI> It's for VNC... right?
[22:11] <DaemonFC> nacc, Well, it's not that difficult to build stable releases once you're on the current branch.
[22:11] <DaemonFC> All the stable releases get are small patches to correct issues.
[22:11] <nacc> DaemonFC: hrm? what doe sthat have to do with security support
[22:12] <DaemonFC> nacc, I'd like to see Ubuntu move towards making it+Web and Evolution the default browser and email eventually.
[22:12] <DaemonFC> It needs some more cleanup and feature work though.
[22:13] <nacc> DaemonFC: i doubt that would happen for 18.04 anyways
[22:13] <DaemonFC> Firefox and Thunderbird are one of those jacks of all trades and master of none. The user interface and GNOME integration you get with GNOME software just isn't there.
[22:13] <DaemonFC> If you do something in your Thunderbird calendar, for instance, it doesn't end up in the GNOME shell.
[22:14] <nacc> DaemonFC: ok -- I don't particularly know much about the desktop development side, but also we've veered offtopic at this point :)
[22:14] <DaemonFC> Distributions have basically taken GNOME back to the 1.x days where nothing fit in and there was this ridiculous pile of software, none of it worked with each other.
[22:15] <DaemonFC> Ahh.
[22:18] <Paddy_NI> Just looking for a heads up, is the "screen sharing" toggle found in "Settings > Sharing" purely for effect?
[22:23] <nacc> Paddy_NI: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/sharing-desktop.html.en ?
[22:25] <Paddy_NI> nacc, Oh hi. Yeah I have read that.
[22:25] <Paddy_NI> So far as I can tell it makes the toggle change to "on" :-/
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> Actually using it is another matter
[22:26] <nacc> Paddy_NI: which toggle do you mean?
[22:26] <nacc> Paddy_NI: there is a toplevel Sharing toggle, which enables or disalbes sharig
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> The screen sharing toggle mentioned in that doc
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> nacc, Yep
[22:26] <nacc> Paddy_NI: and then there are subtoggles (on my system) for file sharing and remote login
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> I have that on
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> And those
[22:26] <nacc> I don't have a screen sharing option
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> Oh
[22:27] <nacc> Paddy_NI: but mine is an upgrade, not a fresh istnall
[22:27] <Paddy_NI> It would be nice if when a user switches it on - it would then present with even a minor amount of detail about connecting to it
[22:28] <nacc> Paddy_NI: i believe it starts a vino (vnc server) session
[22:28] <nacc> but not sure
[22:28] <nacc> Paddy_NI: should be easy enough to check
[22:28] <Paddy_NI> You would think
[22:28] <Paddy_NI> That's more or less why I think it's there for effect
[22:29] <Paddy_NI> Like a "placebo button" lol
[22:29] <nacc> Paddy_NI: did you see if a vnc server starts/
[22:30] <SimonNL> if not set you won't be able to remote desktop
[22:30] <Paddy_NI> nacc, I have not resorted to the command line option yet for that, I am going through the out of the box offering to see how easy it would be for a client of mine to use
[22:31] <Paddy_NI> A lady with 3 PCs that she would like to see and control
[22:31] <Paddy_NI> I was just trying it before I resorted to teamviewer
[22:32] <nacc> Paddy_NI: i meann, i don't understand why you wouldn't *check* if vnc has started
[22:32] <Paddy_NI> I personally don't use it as it's always been a mess
[22:32] <nacc> before installing some non-ubuntu thing
[22:32] <nacc> but your support choice is yours :)
[22:32] <Paddy_NI> nacc, Turning it on would give one the impression that it's on... no?
[22:32] <nacc> Paddy_NI: yes, and I asked, did you check if it's on and your response was ... you won't check?
[22:33] <nacc> Paddy_NI: "I have not resorted to the command line option yet"
[22:33] <Paddy_NI> I mean I could check to see if the service/daemon is running. But that is not much good to a novice is it?
[22:33] <Paddy_NI> nacc, I did not say once that I wont check
[22:33] <nacc> Paddy_NI: if it's connected to the toggle, then it's fine
[22:33] <Paddy_NI> I said "I have not resorted to the command line option yet for that, I am going through the out of the box offering to see how easy it would be for a client of mine to use"
[22:33] <nacc> Paddy_NI: then you konw the toggle starts vnc, and you just have to use vnc
[22:34] <Paddy_NI> No disrespect, I am just stating things simply. I really do appreciate your help
[22:34] <nacc> Paddy_NI: ah i'm on wayland, which does not support screen sharing :)
[22:34] <nacc> Paddy_NI: i think i misunderstood you before, sorry
[22:34] <nacc> Paddy_NI: i'm sayig, yes, do out of the box
[22:34] <nacc> Paddy_NI: but i expect an admin/innstaller to know what things do :)
[22:34] <Paddy_NI> nacc, I have it set for X11 as video playback on wayland is pretty bad for me
[22:34] <nacc> Paddy_NI: so see if it does what we thinnk :)
[22:34] <nacc> Paddy_NI: and then there are lots of vnc options
[22:35] <Paddy_NI> nacc, I prefer to not sell dependency
[22:35] <nacc> Paddy_NI: what dependency??
[22:35] <nacc> Paddy_NI: i don't follow how knowing what the toggle does makes anyone dependent on you
[22:35] <Paddy_NI> Dependence on me to set up things for her
[22:35] <nacc> Paddy_NI: set what up?
[22:35] <nacc> Paddy_NI: she toggles the button
[22:35] <Paddy_NI> Screen sharing
[22:35] <nacc> Paddy_NI: she then connects to the vnc server with a vnc client
[22:36] <Paddy_NI> nacc, Oh I see the misunderstanding. My fault
[22:36] <Paddy_NI> None of the vnc clients that I have tried so far connect to the machine with screen sharing enabled
[22:36] <nacc> Paddy_NI: ah i see
[22:36] <akik> Paddy_NI: did you say that it's nowhere shown that it's vnc protocol when you enable it? i think that's what the problem was
[22:36] <nacc> Paddy_NI: is there actually a vnc server running?
[22:37] <Paddy_NI> nacc, I'll quickly check, I have ssh access
[22:37] <nacc> Paddy_NI: it seem slike gnome defaults to vino, but i'm not 100% on that
[22:38] <Paddy_NI> That does ring a bell, checking to see if it is running now
[22:38] <nacc> Paddy_NI: might be easiest to look at netstat output, to see what servers are lisetening
[22:41] <Paddy_NI> nacc, Oh so "netstat -l" has quite a list - however no mention of vnc or vino
[22:41] <Paddy_NI> I think you hit the nail on the head the first time
[22:41] <Paddy_NI> lol
[22:42] <nacc> Paddy_NI: just to be sure, vino is installed, right?
[22:42] <akik> Paddy_NI: did you say that it's nowhere shown that it's vnc protocol when you enable it?
[22:42] <Paddy_NI> I am wondering if perhaps it does not start the service until a reboot has been performed - once the user has clicked the toggle.
[22:43] <Paddy_NI> nacc, vino is already installed
[22:43] <nacc> Paddy_NI: akik's question is a good one (sicne i can't see the toggle myself). I'm also seeign some interestinng older articles that imply the scree sharig might be encrypted by default, which some clients don't support
[22:43] <Paddy_NI> It seems it's part of the standard install
[22:44] <nacc> LP: #369181
[22:44] <Paddy_NI> akik, It actually only says "vnc://den.local"
[22:44] <nacc> ah that does imply vnc at least :)
[22:44] <Paddy_NI> true!
[22:45] <Paddy_NI> nacc, Interesting