[14:21] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, the problem is flash.
[14:22] <jtisme> flaccid, thanks should have known that
[14:22] <flaccid-> zorglu_, ah ok..
[14:23] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: how do i fix, im on 64 bit but ive tried flash 10 (on firefox(32)/firefox(64)) and flash 9 (on firefox(64)/konqueror)
[14:23] <zorglu_> flaccid-: it is not required to download the whole file before starting playing. in fact in the case of the http://player.web4web.tv/e334e91c/live/france24_fr.flv this is a live streaming. aka there is no 'file'
[14:23] <zorglu_> just a stream
[14:23] <zorglu_> but all that is quite offtopic :)
[14:23] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you can't fix. unless the quality of the videos are increased and adobe does something about the poor performance, particularly on linux. case closed :(
[14:24] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: but the video are of perfectly good quality and it worked fine on gutsy (well flash9 did)
[14:24] <flaccid-> zorglu_, it depends on what type of file. and this is commercial not open so....
[14:24] <angasule> flaccid-: well, specs are out, so hopefully we'll get a good flash player sometime
[14:25] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, is this with desktop effects/compiz on?
[14:25] <flaccid-> angasule, we will be lucky if flash 10 fixes the problems. i will be happy if it does
[14:25] <Rioting_pacifist> in gutsy it was with compiz off, but in hardy it seams to make no difference if compiz is on/off
[14:25] <angasule> flaccid-: I'm more interested in open source flash :)
[14:26] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, keep in mind probably a dif version of flash in gutsy - they like to change flash a lot
[14:26] <Rioting_pacifist> flash 10 is slightly better on cpu usage but thats about it
[14:26] <flaccid-> angasule, open source flash development exists. but decent flash players don't because its closed.
[14:26] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: flash 10 is out ?
[14:26] <flaccid-> this is the problem with closed sourced/proprietery software~!! accept it..
[14:26] <angasule> flaccid-: the specs were released recently
[14:26] <Rioting_pacifist> no it was the same flash 9 from adobe site they dont change it that often, apart from patches, but my flash9 was fairly new
[14:26] <flaccid-> SVG is what should be used instead.
[14:26] <flaccid-> angasule, that doesn't help useability :
[14:27] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_: its in beta, crashes gutsy but seams ok in hardy
[14:27] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, complain to Adobe :)
[14:27] <zorglu_> people should give way to pay rent/food with opensource, it would bring many people to opensource
[14:27] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: ok thanks
[14:27] <flaccid-> its a 3rd party plugin that simply gets embedded. what the plugin does has nothing to do with the program embedding it...
[14:27] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: its not a problem with adobe that it worked in 7.10 but is jumpy in 8.04 the change was made to ubuntu to change this, flashs sucking has nothing to do with this
[14:28] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, proove it to me. because it worked on one version and didn't on the other, concludes nothing.
[14:28] <drurew> do you know if its possible to use the "skype" servicies without having to use this "bad" application ??? can i port it to kopete or something ?
[14:28] <zorglu_> flash suck but it is 98% :)
[14:28] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, some real evidence please?
[14:28] <drurew> lol
[14:28] <flaccid-> its flash, get over it..
[14:29] <Rioting_pacifist> wtf how can i give evidence that something used to work fine but didnt, stop being a zelot this is a support channel leave your flash sucks at the door
[14:29] <drurew> flash is for uzers
[14:30] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, this is the nature of closed sourced software. it makes people like you make bad assumptions. i love flash, but its support is what sux, not flash itself.
[14:30] <zorglu_> flaccid-: how do you pay rent/food ?
[14:30] <flaccid-> you are merely guessing
[14:30] <pim> Could anyone tell me what the advantage of ubuntu is over Debian?
[14:30] <flaccid-> zorglu_, with a job
[14:30] <flaccid-> pim, there is none
[14:30] <angasule> flaccid-: right, it's like communism, sounds good in principle, but implementations suck :)
[14:30] <Rioting_pacifist> if something used to work in ubuntu its perfectly reasonable to belive that some setting has changed and that that setting can be reverted to get it working fine, i mean the suse guys didnt turn round to linus and say its adobes fault move along now, they tracked down the problem at thier end and fixed it, maybe thats why hes on opensuse not ubuntu tho
[14:31] <angasule> pim: ubuntu is better polished
[14:31] <drurew> FLAME WAR :D
[14:31] <zorglu_> flaccid-: doing opensource dev?
[14:31] <flaccid-> angasule, they never put decent resources into supporint *niz
[14:31] <flaccid-> nix
[14:31] <drurew> boom
[14:31] <angasule> pim: I use both, btw, and love both :)
[14:31] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, ignorance.
[14:31] <pim> Ubuntu is more userfriendly you mean?
[14:31] <Rioting_pacifist> pim: ubuntu do time based release cycles, debain dont
[14:31] <angasule> flaccid-: I'd say it sucks on windows as well
[14:31] <Rioting_pacifist> thats it
[14:31] <angasule> pim: yes, but there is more to it than that
[14:31] <pim> So why has someone decided to fork debian?
[14:32] <drurew> :D
[14:32] <drurew> just take the custard instead
[14:32] <drurew> ;P
[14:32] <Rioting_pacifist> flash runs on linux as a firefox plugin, if it ran fine in 7.10 then it doesnt run fine in 8.04 a change was made somewhere in the linux side as flash 9 has not changed
[14:32] <flaccid-> closed sourced software rarely works inline with OS standards...
[14:32] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, thats what you think. quite different from reality.
[14:33] <flaccid-> have a look at the flash versions
[14:33] <flaccid-> then come back
[14:33] <zorglu_> and opensource got significant marketing power :)
[14:33] <pim> angasule why do you use both?
[14:33] <Rioting_pacifist> no it has significantly less, hence apple is bigger
[14:33] <drurew> Rioting_pacifist: why dont you check what your running ...versions of new software may conflict old settings
[14:33] <flaccid-> omg the ignorance
[14:34] <drurew> yeah guys this is way off toppic
[14:34] <zorglu_> yep clearly :)
[14:34] <drurew> you know where to tak eit ???
[14:34] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, now please look at this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all it shows the change in versions between releases. flash changed, the distro didn't......
[14:34] <angasule> pim: I have different uses for different computers, I use kubuntu hardy on my main desktop, kubuntu dapper on the family desktop (they don't like change), debian etch on server and laptop (it's an old laptop with a low speed net connection)
[14:34] <flaccid-> well not really. Rioting_pacifist is claiming problem is kubuntu which it is not
[14:35] <zorglu_> well this is a war opensource vs closesource, pro and con
[14:35] <drurew> Rioting_pacifist: the problem is your software ...please RTFM
[14:35] <zorglu_> nah the problem are the others. they are the ones to blame
[14:35] <angasule> Rioting_pacifist: flash for linux is particularly badly programmed, I used to follow the blog of the guy in charge of it, and frankly he was so clueless it was frightening
[14:35] <zorglu_> all of them
[14:35] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid- no package in the repos ever contained flash they are just wrappers to the installer which doesnt neciserily change when the wrapper changes
[14:36] <flaccid-> so in gutsy it was <IP_ADDRESS>.2 and in hardy it was 9.0.124. this is adobe's change, not ubuntu. so get over it...
[14:36] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, oh please. yes, but they get different versions.
[14:36] <flaccid-> get your facts straight
[14:36] <drurew> exit
[14:36] <Rioting_pacifist> drurew: which manual?
[14:36] <zorglu_> ok i do agree
[14:36] <drurew> hahahahahahahahaha
[14:36] <zorglu_> take your war on -offtopic
[14:36] <flaccid-> i agree.
[14:36] <flaccid-> this has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[14:36] <Rioting_pacifist> thats all i wanted to know which manuals do i need to read to sort out the flash problem
[14:36] <flaccid-> take it somewhere else.
[14:37] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, reading a manual is not going to help.
[14:37] <dmial> hello, people! say me, please, how can I change skin of volume indicator, which appears on screen, when I adjust sound volume with multimedia keys of keyboard? thanks
[14:37] <drurew> go to your terminal and enter: man man or man help to find out more about your computer
[14:37] <zorglu_> mouarf
[14:37] <zorglu_> !coc | drurew
[14:37] <Rioting_pacifist> right man man tells me how to read manuals thats not what need sorting
[14:38]  * flaccid- yawns
[14:38] <drurew> Rioting_pacifist: you wll have to start somewhere ...esp if you dont know what your loking for
[14:38] <Rioting_pacifist> i though you know a support channel might of been of some use
[14:39] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: flash9 was last updated december 2007, my gutsy install was done in feb so it is the same version of flash
[14:39] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: the issue is that you talked about something unpopular here. so you are blacklisted for a while ... like in 2h or tomorrow they will forget. but for now you wont get the best out of this channel
[14:40] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, dude. that doesnt actually compare versions at all. you are disregarding many things and im over talking with you on this take it somwhere else like #idontunderstandclosedsourcesoftware
[14:40] <drurew>  http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm?forumid=15
[14:40] <zorglu_> flaccid-: if .124 is bugged, and .48 work, you can easily install the .48 by only overwriting the .so
[14:40] <flaccid-> zorglu_, i know this.
[14:41] <zorglu_> flaccid-: my bad it was for Rioting_pacifist
[14:41] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: see above
[14:41] <flaccid-> flash is the worst for konqueror users. have a look at this. because of the change in api/binary this is what opera users have to do: http://my.opera.com/remcolanting/blog/2008/04/14/opera-and-flash-on-linux
[14:42] <flaccid-> so some flash versions work, some don't and most have issues in terms of video. nothing to do with ubuntu or linux or kde.
[14:42] <flaccid-> can i shutup now or what?
[14:42] <Rioting_pacifist> please do
[14:42] <zorglu_> flaccid-: please do :)
[14:42] <zorglu_> damn same joke, but im first on my screen :)
[14:42] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, will you close the topic as well?
[14:43] <haryono> kubuntu jakarta indonesia?pls
[14:43] <Rioting_pacifist> ill continue to ask questions relevant to my problem ill just adress them in a way that wont provoke your fury against closed sourced software
[14:43] <[EGC-i]ThinIce> Could anyone suggest why when trying to run firefox since yesterdays update I just get the following error "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 416: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed!"
[14:44] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, no. stop. it has nothing to do with kubuntu so take it elsewhere ok!
[14:44] <zorglu_> flaccid-: relax man
[14:44] <haryono> kubuntu jakarta indonesia pls
[14:44] <flaccid-> zorglu_, i am relaxed?
[14:45] <flaccid-> there is no tone on the internet :)
[14:45] <zorglu_> cool :)
[14:45] <Rioting_pacifist> im using Kubuntu this channel is for kubuntu user support, as much as you hate flash im working though the links provided by the usefull members here, if i have a problem following those guides ill ask for more help
[14:45] <flaccid-> i don't get worked up by users
[14:45] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, but the support you are seeking is out of kubuntu's control, do you get that?
[14:45] <shane__> KDE 4.1 has anyone tryed it yet and how is it
[14:46] <flaccid-> shane__ pretty good for me, but still some bugs that i don't like
[14:46] <shane__> like what
[14:46] <haryono> tell me how to kubuntu jakarta indonesia pls
[14:46] <Rioting_pacifist> only if the problem is with the flash.so version and not with a part of my system other than the .so
[14:46] <flaccid-> um mainly still problems with plasma, thats probably the main one for me. configs saving, glitches and dying
[14:47] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, correct. Kubuntu did not make the plugin, Adobe did
[14:47] <shane__> flaccid-: oh ok so im best to wait a few weeks and see if it gets better over some updates
[14:47] <flaccid-> shane__, you are welcome to give it a go now if you would like. kde3 and 4 can co-operate fine on the same system
[14:48] <Rioting_pacifist> yes i fully understand that the .so is made by adobe the same way the my restricted drivers are made by ati but it is possible that the problem isnt caused by those two
[14:48] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, provide a POC please and then the dev team can look into it.
[14:48] <Rioting_pacifist> a POC?
[14:48] <shane__> flaccid-: ok ill give it a go then and see if i like lol if not i no where to find yah
[14:48] <ubuntu> hola
[14:49] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, Proof of Concept. In areas that are science driven, the people don't like guesses...
[14:49] <flaccid-> !kde4 | shane__
[14:49] <flaccid-> you won't need me..
[14:49] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah well i came here to try and figure out the problem i dont kno whats causing it, if i knew what was causing it id be able to find a work around
[14:50] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, thats the problem. people like me and others have spent hours investigating these claims and its always the closed provider.
[14:51] <shane__> flaccid-: lol ahh thanks tells me to take it and if i have probs to bugger off ill give it a go it doesnt matter what isues it creats kubuntu support has been the best iv found sofar TY flaccid-
[14:51] <ubuntu> hello
[14:51] <ubuntu> hay alguien que sepa españole
[14:51] <Rioting_pacifist> !es
[14:51] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: ok explain your problem. calmly and dont say opensource/closesource word :)
[14:51] <flaccid-> shane__, not sure what you mean, but i for you install, its as simple as selecting which one you want from login screen. the config files are totally separate...
[14:52] <flaccid-> zorglu_, do we have to start again on that?
[14:52] <Rioting_pacifist> lol, my problem is that flash used to work fine but it doesnt anymore, im going to find an old version of flash and see what happens
[14:52] <zorglu_> flaccid-: i am just helping a user with his trouble. no war
[14:52] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, lol so you never reverted back to the version Adobe made for gutsy... heh
[14:52] <shane__> flaccid-: ok so they dont work in tandum i need to instal a seperate system and then just choose on start witch i want
[14:52] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: ok which version of flash works ?
[14:52] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: .48 ?
[14:53] <administrator> #POWER+DSL+INTERNET+SPPRAHE
[14:53] <flaccid-> zorglu_, i spent hours benchmarking this once, so it would be good if people believed such users when the problem is the 3rd party provider
[14:53] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: there was no version of flash for gutsy, you had to install it manually from thier website, ive tried that version but as you pointed out i dont know if thats the same version i had on gutsy
[14:54] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: find out the version
[14:54] <flaccid-> shane__, nah. you just install it and then in the login screen you can select which session type you would like - kde3 or kde4 - no stuffing around
[14:54] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, omg thats totally incorrect
[14:54] <shane__> flaccid-: ok ty once again
[14:54] <flaccid-> !info flashplugin-nonfree gutsy | Rioting_pacifist
[14:54] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_: im looking for a version of 9.48 but not sure where to find it
[14:54]  * flaccid- rests his case once again
[14:54] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: it didnt work
[14:55] <flaccid-> !doesntwork | Rioting_pacifist
[14:55] <flaccid-> that tells us nothing
[14:55] <administrator> #HTTP://11921682.1
[14:55] <Rioting_pacifist> adobe updated thier website shortly after 7.10 was realsed and the flash installer was useless, just look on the forums
[14:55] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, exactly.
[14:56] <zorglu_> mouaoua
[14:56] <flaccid-> so lets move on please
[14:56] <zorglu_> come on guys
[14:56] <Rioting_pacifist> your the one asking me to install the 'gutsy version' of flash which without a time machine is imposible
[14:56] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: 9.0.48 is available somewhere on abode website... but hidden and i dont remember where
[14:56] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i never asked you to do that.
[14:57] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: there is another way tho. it is to download the gutsy package and to extract only the .so
[14:57] <administrator> #BENUTZERNAME ROOTKENWORT 123456
[14:57] <flaccid-> !de | administrator
[14:58] <Rioting_pacifist> i though the gutsy package just causes you to download the .so from the adobe website, for legal reasons they couldnt actually put the .so in the package
[14:58] <llutz> administrator: stop spam
[14:58] <administrator> A
[14:58]  * flaccid- raises an eyebrow
[15:00] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: i dunno. i dont remember...  /home/jerome/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so  is to be overwritten with the version you want. then you do "about:plugins" in firefox location bar to get the version of the flash run by firefox
[15:00] <administrator> #Arkor-Easy Boxxx A 4OO
[15:00] <zorglu_> ok administrator is a bot
[15:00] <genii> !ops | administrator (spam)
[15:01] <flaccid-> danke
[15:01] <ds187_> thx
[15:01] <genii> Mez: Thanks
[15:02] <xjunior> is there how to install Kubuntu in text mode (dialogs)?
[15:02] <xjunior> I can't login on live cd.... the screen is completely black
[15:02] <genii> The alternate cd does a text-based install.
[15:02] <jpds> xjunior: yes, use the alternate cd
[15:04] <xjunior> where I download it?
[15:05] <drurew> xjunior: get it at the download page under :alternative* live cd
[15:05] <Rioting_pacifist> what package contains the restricted hardware manager, or whats the command line to launch it as i cant find a gui launcher
[15:05] <jpds> xjunior: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[15:07] <xjunior> when I try to enter on "Install", my screen looks like a LCD burning.... it's really freak! If I try to enter on "live", I got a black screen.... is there any way to fix it?
[15:07] <zorglu_> q. i installed gnome ubuntu, then did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, then rebooted. it boots like kubuntu, login like kubuntu, BUT once logged in i got a gnome desktop.. i would like a kubuntu desktop, what should i do ?
[15:07] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, kdesudo jockey-kde
[15:08] <Rioting_pacifist> !find jockey-kde > Rioting_pacifist.
[15:09] <xjunior> zorglu_: in the login screen, select a KDE session
[15:09] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, its a binary not a package so ubottu won't find it
[15:09] <zorglu_> xjunior: ok trying
[15:10] <Rioting_pacifist> what package is it in?
[15:10] <jimmy51_> if i have a variable, strFilename... and want to append .csv to the variable (in a bash script).... how do i do that?   strFilename=strFilename + ".csv" ?
[15:10] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, are you on hardy?
[15:11] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah
[15:11] <flaccid-> sorry i am wrong then in that cae
[15:11] <flaccid-> !info jockey-kde
[15:11] <flaccid-> but its default installed
[15:13] <jimmy51_> or maybe strFilename="${strFilename}.csv"   ?
[15:15] <zorglu_> ok now i got all kubuntu and all ubuntu :) so my menu are ultimatly bloated :) can i remove all the gnome packages ? apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop doesnt do it
[15:16] <genii> !purekde
[15:17] <zorglu_> genii: thanks lookin
[15:20] <zorglu_> genii: there is a typo in this page, in the ultra big apt-get, feel like fixing the page ?
[15:20] <genii> zorglu_: Bleh. Not until at least after a few more coffees!
[15:21] <zorglu_> E: Couldn't find package gconf-editorgdm <- the big apt-get of hardy non kde4 produce this error. just putting a space in between makes it ok
[15:21] <zorglu_> genii: hehe ok :)
[15:22] <b4l7424r> the xine extra codecs in adept is greyed out, how do i install them?
[15:22] <trappist> b4l7424r: you probably have to enable the universe and multiverse repositories
[15:22] <trappist> !universe
[15:22] <genii> !medibuntu
[15:23] <b4l7424r> trappist: i have enabled the universe and multiverse repos
[15:24] <genii> !medibuntu | b4l7424r
[15:24] <genii> b4l7424r: Add the medibuntu repositories for mp3 and other codecs
[15:24] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_: ive installed the same version i had on gutsy in the same browser(32 bit firefox) and i have the same problem, does this mean the problem is somehwere in the kubuntu system yet?
[15:24] <trappist> b4l7424r: try genii's suggestion :)
[15:26] <dolf> i reinstalled my amarok and my xine worked again i reinstalled the amarok-xine
[15:26] <b4l7424r> thanks genii, i just don't understand why i can't install the xine extra thru adept
[15:28] <genii> b4l7424r: Because most codecs are proprietary property and not included in the standard ubuntu repositories.
[15:29] <trappist> closed-source, patent-encumbered, etc.
[15:30] <b4l7424r> i see
[15:31] <Chrizzz> hi, anyone an idea how i can set up commands, wich will be executed after i log in at my text shell/bash?
[15:32] <b4l7424r> is there a way to install all the medibuntu packages at once?
[15:32] <flaccid-> b4l7424r, no.
[15:32] <llutz> Chrizzz: add them to ~/.profile
[15:33] <Chrizzz> thank you, it worked ...
[16:04] <dergringo> Hi. How do I sync Kontact (KDE3) with a funambol syncml server?
[16:05] <frybye> i used the destop effects menupoint in system on kde3 and have a window showing standard effect - extra effect and so on - but when i click on extra effect and APPLY - nothing happens..
[16:05] <adz21c> dergringo: kitchensync
[16:05] <frybye> not sure if compiz engine is installed correctly.. how can I check please.. folks at compiz fusion channel not so hot on kubuntu - specific stuff..
[16:07] <frybye> does sbdy have a console command to install compiz-fusion for kde3???
[16:08] <frybye> including the stuff like the cube if possible..?
[16:08] <jussi01> frybye: are you running 8.04?
[16:08] <jussi01> it should be installed...
[16:09] <frybye> yes jussi01
[16:09]  * DOOM_NX mpainw windows
[16:09] <jussi01> frybye: system - desktop effects
[16:09] <genii> frybye: For the cube and so on you need the compizconfig-settings-manager  where you go and tell it what sort of interface to use in compiz, etc etc
[16:10] <frybye> how do I start that c-set-man?
[16:11] <genii> frybye: The packagename is as I have it above. To call it alt-f2   then: ccsm
[16:11] <Rioting_pacifist> my flash problem was infact related to ATI proprietory drivers, and i cite the fact that radon drivers allow me to watch fullscreen video without any probelms as POC
[16:11] <frybye> it says command canoot be executed...
[16:11] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i still don't understand what you mean. where is your POC ?
[16:12] <frybye> hang on i uninstalled some stuff .. wait a min...
[16:12] <Rioting_pacifist> well it proves that the problem isnt to do with flash
[16:12] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, hangon you get better performance with "radeon" and not "fglrx" ?
[16:12] <Rioting_pacifist> well compiz doesnt work so i fell back to fluxbox but the flash issue is fixed
[16:13] <Rioting_pacifist> frambufferd TTYS seam to be offering me less problems than under ATI too
[16:13] <frybye> the ccsm command will not execute???
[16:13] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i would never expect compiz to work with flash. fluxbox and compiz have nothing to do with flash or drivers, so i don';t know what you are saying?
[16:14] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, X drivers do not work under other TTYs only the X session
[16:14] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: radeon doesnt support compiz or atleast my xorg.conf with raedon doesnt, so i fell back to fluxbox that doesnt require composting
[16:15] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, like i said earlier, composite does not work with flash.
[16:15] <flaccid-> window manager has nothing to do with it.
[16:15] <frybye> ccsm was not installed... getting it now..
[16:15] <dergringo> adz21c: It looks like kitchensync (opensync) is not able to sync to a remote syncml host (funambol) using http. it just offers a syncml SERVER for mobile devices.
[16:16] <Rioting_pacifist> yes but it wasnt just composting, which does work with flash BTW, that wasnt working it was ATI drivers causing the problem
[16:16] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, prove it... and it doesn't matter both fglrx and flash are restricted so my claim still is correct -nothing to do with ubuntu. still i'd like to read your POC.
[16:17] <Rioting_pacifist> well im not sure how the X drivers interact with TTYs but raedon and ' "UseFBDev"              "true"' is giving me less glitches, previously the entire third botom of the screen wasnt working
[16:17] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, and yes it depends what window manager using composite and what composite functions you are using. i know its easy to guess but there is much you don't know about
[16:17] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, yeah, just stop making assumptions and its all good. innocent until proven guilty..
[16:18] <adz21c> dergringo: i personally using opensync direct cos kitchensync screws for me
[16:18] <frybye> ok ... have got the cube working but it only has 2 sides.. how to get 4???
[16:18] <Rioting_pacifist> i never made an assumtions you just went off on one over flash my only assumtion was that it was probably my ATI and flash not playing nice, which is what it was
[16:18] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye: change the number of desktops under compiz settings
[16:18] <genii> frybye: What Rioting_pacifist said
[16:19] <Rioting_pacifist> btw what does useFBDev change because the TTYS work alot better now, can i add that to xorg.conf when fglrx is in use?
[16:19] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you are still incorrect
[16:19] <frybye> I have the ccsm running but dont seem to be able to find the place to change number of desktops..
[16:20] <dergringo> adz21c: you are able to sync kontact with a remote syncml server?
[16:20] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you do realise that you are still making assumptions...
[16:21] <adz21c> i use opensync with kdepim to my mobile phone which is syncml over bluetooth
[16:21] <genii> frybye: They'll know in #compiz-fusion
[16:21] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye: its at the top general options
[16:22] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: im making working assumtions otherwise you never get anywhere, id just stare at my computer and go "umm something wrong", better to try and fix it one way than just go back to windows
[16:22] <adz21c> dergringo: i use opensync with kdepim to my mobile phone which is syncml over bluetooth
[16:23] <yuriy> what package provides the defaultapplication kcm?
[16:23] <makdaknife> hi
[16:24] <makdaknife> two of my hardy systems have suddenly stopped being able to play DVDs.... I have libdvdcss and libdvdread stuff all installed... any tips?
[16:24] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you need technical knowledge to make something other than an assumption...
[16:24] <frybye> Rioting_pacifist: In general options there is - general - commands - desktopsize - display settings - focus and raise behavoiur - key bindings - opacity settinghs.. find not place for set number of sides to cube or similar..?
[16:25] <flaccid-> assumptions can be detrimental
[16:25] <hacker> 是不是中国的频道
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> desktopsize
[16:25] <frybye> ah i see.. called size.. sorry...
[16:25] <dergringo> adz21c: yes that is possible...
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: aslong as you drop your assumtion when faced with contradictory evidence they're not
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> like say assuming flash is the cause of all problems and cant be fix,
[16:26] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i am yet to see any evidence from you , just guesses
[16:26] <flaccid-> um no
[16:26] <flaccid-> !ops
[16:26] <frybye> nw i have 4 sides to the cube but only two windows at bottom right of screen..?
[16:27] <Mez> why the ops call ?
[16:27] <genii> flaccid-: What was that about?
[16:27] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist is starting this flash roundabout again
[16:27] <Rioting_pacifist> click on it, the desktop pagers doesnt work well, there is something called compiz-desktop pager that works *a bit* better
[16:27] <flaccid-> i guess i should ignore
[16:27] <genii> Bah thats not op-worthy
[16:27] <flaccid-> i havnt been told what is op worth and what is not :)
[16:27] <makdaknife> hmm nobody wanna help me out with my DVD issues?
[16:28] <Mez> flaccid, just because you disagree with someone - doesnt need an ops call
[16:28] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: talking about flash isnt a crime round here
[16:28] <flaccid-> Mez, link me so i can understand :)
[16:28] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, there is no crime around here
[16:28] <Mez> flaccid, link you to WHAT?
[16:29] <Mez> makdaknife, anything which disrupts the channel in a manner which needs to be dealt with immediately (flooding, trolling, spammers, etc etc)
[16:29] <flaccid-> Mez, well Rioting_pacifist has been going on about this for hours. i thought that a user repeating for hours would worthy an op call. id like to know what does worthy an op call ?
[16:29] <Mez> or action against the CoC
[16:29] <frybye> I clicked on the virt. workspaces thing at bottom right and selected 4 workspaces but it did not change..?
[16:29] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye: when you install the compiz-pager you need to add it to the desktop bar as it wont replace the kwin one (btw it wont play nice with kwin)
[16:29] <frybye> compiz-pager????
[16:30] <flaccid-> Mez, ok i'll ignore in the future, thanks.
[16:30] <makdaknife> Mez: sorry? I was just looking for some help
[16:30] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: just like your mummy said if youve got nothing usefull to say STFU
[16:30] <Jucato> Rioting_pacifist: please watch the language
[16:30] <frybye> Rioting - please explain - what is the compiz-pager - how to use/add it to the desktop bar...?
[16:31] <flaccid-> Mez, how about that ^ should i just accept it?
[16:31] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, how about you stfu
[16:31] <Mez> !language
[16:31] <Jucato> flaccid-: you shouldn't fight back
[16:31] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye the kde pager doesnt working with compiz, you need to search the repos i forget the name of the program but its something like compiz-pager
[16:31] <flaccid-> Jucato, what should i do ?
[16:31] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, flaccid-  I dont want any language in here.
[16:31] <frybye> so do I have to hold the coats for two of you guys to step outside or what.. heheh
[16:32] <flaccid-> i didn't know an acronym was bad language :)
[16:32] <Jucato> flaccid-: I thought you already put him on ignore...
[16:32] <genii> frybye: Alternately what I tend to do is just remove the pager after compiz starts, then re-add it, after that it works fine
[16:32] <flaccid-> Jucato, hard to ignore when it fills my screen :(
[16:32] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah even fsck can get you warned if you use it in an offensive manner
[16:32] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, you are welcome to file a bug if you believe there is an issue with flash, however, at the moment, it dont seems that there is anyone here able to help you
[16:32] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, indeed.
[16:33] <Mez> flaccid-, "stfu" - work out what the "f" in it means
[16:33] <Mez> anyway, I'd like people to calm down.
[16:33] <flaccid-> Mez, no worries
[16:33] <Mez> flaccid-, look up the /silence command
[16:33] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, please, feel free to go report a bug
[16:33] <flaccid-> its just not mentioned explicitly in the CoC thats all
[16:33] <Rioting_pacifist> Mez: i already found a work around i dont think ubuntu devs can do anything about it, but if somebody complains about flash full screen the workaround is to use the free drivers
[16:34] <flaccid-> lol
[16:34] <flaccid-> what about users that need 3D ?
[16:34] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, as I've said - feel free to report a bug. Or there's a howto section on the forums
[16:34] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-:  well then they cant use flash full screen
[16:34] <Mez> flaccid-, by responding, you're only creating more chance for this to get ugly. So - a factoid that I havent used in a while
[16:35] <Mez> !stop | Rioting_pacifist flaccid-
[16:35] <chakie> has anyone noticed that their ipods aren't automatically mounted anymore on hardy?
[16:36] <chakie> mine worked fine for a year or so and recently after som update it just won't get mounted anymore (also, amarok nuked the database on it so i had to factory reset it)
[16:36] <haryono> Why my hardiisk sound noisy when I start and the computer hang during the operation?
[16:37] <Rioting_pacifist> compiz launches itself as soon as kde starts, how do i stop this? i looked in /usr/share/autostart and ~./kde/autostart but didnt see anything
[16:37] <genii> haryono: PErhaps the computer is hanging because the sound of the hard drive is it's indication of physical failure
[16:37] <Mez> haryono, I'd guess an issue with the HDD
[16:38] <haryono> how to fix the problem or identifying its failure?
[16:38] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, are your sessions turned on?
[16:39] <frybye> hmmm have it all working nice - thanx to all who helped.. free beer waiting in berlin...
[16:39] <Rioting_pacifist> thier turned on but with compiz and kde-window-deco excluded, i cant get into kde to properly turn them off tho
[16:40] <Rioting_pacifist> will deleteing everything in sessions mean the next session is blank?
[16:40] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, can you get to a console when it's running?
[16:40] <Mez> if so - just do kwin --replace &
[16:40] <Mez> and then you can get in to turn them off
[16:40] <genii> haryono: If you have some working computer with a cd burner I would suggest to download and make the Ultimate Boot CD which can do many diagnostics
[16:41] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i think you need to turn off compiz with kwin as above then logout then on login it will be off
[16:42] <Rioting_pacifist> i get a white screen of death so i cant do anything in kwin, actually nvm i can always change to fglrx to do it, if i keep two xorg.confs lying around i should be ok
[16:43] <haryono> i have no other computer at home this is the only computer i use now
[16:43] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, oh the fun of proprietary hardware eh?
[16:43] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, there are bugs on launchpad with that behaviour across a few different drivers
[16:44] <Rioting_pacifist> what the white screen of death or the f***** thing
[16:45] <genii> haryono: From the livecd you could try to fsck the drive in question
[16:45] <haryono> what kind of live cd i must use?
[16:46] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you could search launchpad. its mainly with the restricted drivers
[16:46] <genii> haryono: Some linux one
[16:46] <genii> haryono: Since fsck is common to all linux
[16:47] <haryono> can i use ubuntu cd for fixing?
[16:48] <genii> haryono: For booting to cd and trying to determine the problem, yes. For fixing, perhaps if it is at all possible
[16:52] <kNewbie> Hallo. Ich will jetzt richtig mit kubuntu anfangen. Habe jetzt versehentlich dapper installiert. Bin etwas verwirrt. Welche Version ist jetzt die aktuellste, stabilste und möglichst LTS?
[16:53] <Rioting_pacifist> haryono:  if its a hardware failure your best bet is to get a new drive backeverything up to it and use the old one for non critical things (/tmp, swap, windows, etc)
[16:53] <Rioting_pacifist> !de
[16:54] <kNewbie> oops not the german room.. *change*
[16:56] <shadowhywind> does anyone know of a console email program that can excute a console command when it recieves an email(filter)?
[16:57] <llutz> shadowhywind: procmail
[16:57] <shadowhywind> thanks, will look into that one
[17:03] <roberto_> ho
[17:03] <roberto_> hi
[17:04] <roberto_> how i restore my xorg?
[17:04] <drif> restore?
[17:04] <engineer> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:04] <drif> ah
[17:05] <roberto_> how i put down kdm?
[17:06] <Jucato> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[17:08] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, does anyone know what Character set anthy uses when you switch to Japanese input? It doesn't appears to be UTF-8
[17:08] <roberto_> how i rename a file?
[17:09] <genii> roberto_:  mv oldname newname
[17:11] <roberto_> i restore my xorg, but when i try to login, my screen is white
[17:12] <frybye> i just installed samba server and a gui that is suppose to control it - the latter I cant find?
[17:12] <engineer> konqueror
[17:12] <engineer> oh, to setup it?
[17:12] <genii> frybye: Would that gui thing be called SWAT ?
[17:12] <frybye> ah dear oh dear I could do with sbdy here who knwos thier stuff..
[17:12] <frybye> perhaps - my terrible memory..
[17:13] <engineer> !mirrors
[17:13] <frybye> geni.. how can I search for an appl on the system - in kde4 i know but i am in kde3
[17:13] <roberto_> i restore my xorg, but when i try to login, my screen stay white
[17:13] <frybye> hang on i will go and look in adept what I have..
[17:14] <RiotingPacifist> roberto_: what driver do you have in xorg.conf?
[17:14] <frybye> genii: it was    system-config-samba
[17:15] <roberto_> "useFBdev"
[17:16] <roberto_> this is ok?
[17:16] <genii> frybye: a minute or so please
[17:16] <frybye> genii:  k - np
[17:17] <genii> frybye: Kmenu...System...Samba
[17:17] <roberto_> RiotingPacifist:identifier  "configured Video Device -- option useFBdev true
[17:17] <frybye> yeah i found that but apparently nothing happens...
[17:18] <roberto_> RiotingPacifist: is this ok?
[17:18] <genii> frybye: When nothing happens it's usually a good thing.
[17:18] <frybye> despite it being linux here - eh - perhaps I should re-boot...
[17:19] <genii> frybye: No reboot should be neccesary
[17:19] <frybye> genii: good  c u in a min
[17:19] <frybye> yeah but you know "should..." heheh
 this utter fascination with rebooting
[17:19] <RiotingPacifist> roberto_: im not sure, do you have compiz ?
[17:20] <frybye> ok then - what do you sugest doing when smthing just sits there and does not react.. it is visible in the gui but inactive.. and has just been installed.. a re-boot seems the only logical process now or..?
[17:20] <genii> frybye: Make sure the directory you are sharing exists. What you mean by "visible but inactive"
[17:21] <frybye> when i click on the entry in the gui-menu for samba nothing apparently happens - no window opens - nothing too be seen..
[17:21] <frybye> I was hoping for this gui- samba-config-thing...
[17:22] <frybye> as a newbie I dont know enough to do it -on my own- with the consule..
[17:22] <genii> frybye: When you run it from the System...Samba it should prompt for password. After that you use it to declare shares and so on. It's not some browser for sambe, just a configuration tool.
[17:23] <frybye> so i gave to use the consule - despite the fact that in adept it spec said that it was a gui to use for samba dir settings etc..??
[17:24] <frybye> hang on...
[17:25] <genii> frybye: The directories to share there are on the box you are using. It will write the samba configuration file to reflect this, and so than after this you go on a wondows machine on the network and are able to gain access to those shares.
[17:25] <genii> Bah typos
[17:26] <frybye> genii: in the adept if says - system-config-samba - installier - keine änderung GUI for managing samba shares and users..? but where is it now...?
[17:26] <frybye> e e installiert - ie is installed.. I am on a German kubuntu...
[17:27] <genii> frybye:  "system-config-samba" = KButton... System... Samba
[17:27] <frybye> hang on - let me submit to my -reboot- fettish - yes yes that is where i go and click on it and n o t h i n g happens.. so i am gonna re-boot back in a min+
[17:27] <engineer> can someone paste their sources.list? just the normal repositories
[17:28] <engineer> !pastebin
[17:30] <genii> Perhaps I'm lacking in communiction skills or something.
[17:30] <grendal_prime> hey guys i use to be able to toggle through running apps with my alt tab...its gone (all of the sudden)  where can i adjust that?
[17:31] <frybye> re:
[17:32] <frybye> hmm still nothing happens.. oh dear...
[17:33] <genii> frybye: What more exactly are you trying to achieve as some end-goal in this exercise? It may be easier to approach it from this way.
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> grendal_prime: try koncontrol --> regional and acc. --> keybaord
[17:35] <frybye> yeah - trying to set up lan access between my comp2 here and comp1 which is 1 m to the left of this one via a router/home network,,,
[17:35] <genii> frybye: And this other computer is some Windows based thing?
[17:35] <frybye> there is a set of folders on the other box (64x home vista..) which I need access too.. yes vista..
[17:36] <frybye> i need it for work...
[17:36] <frybye> financed by an patient care association that I do some stuff for..
[17:36] <frybye> partly at least...
[17:36] <frybye> the os was paid for by them - put it that way..
[17:37] <genii> frybye: For just getting files from a Windows box, you don't even need samba. Because the samba client is already on your linux machine by default. All you need to do is just install smb4k and then use that to browse to your Vista box
[17:37] <Pennycook> frybye: Typing "smb:" into Konqueror should bring up the accessible samba shares.
[17:37] <frybye> and I am a bit nervous cos until i ahve the net access I cant creat an image of this box - should anyhting happen..
[17:37] <genii> Pennycook: No, it is broken.
[17:37] <frybye> I use firefox - can I do that..
[17:37] <genii> frybye: Not in firefox.
[17:38] <frybye> hang on - what first - smb4k install and then command smb in konq.. right??
[17:38] <genii> frybe: You *should* normally be able to do it from in Konqueror or in Dolphin with the smb://   prefix, but it does not work currently without installing additionally the smbfs package
[17:39]  * genii sighs
[17:40] <genii> frybye: smb4k is it's own network browser
[17:41] <frybye> ok have installed smb4k - where do I find it...?
[17:41] <genii> frybye: Kbutton Utilities smb4k
[17:42] <frybye> ah ha in konk...
[17:42] <frybye> oh - hang on..
[17:44] <frybye> ok I see comp1 - and a lot of stuff - with dollar signs in it - and also Public but when i click on Pulic it says
[17:44] <frybye> mount error 2 = No such file or directory
[17:44] <frybye> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[17:44] <Nyad> Hi, I need to install libgtk the 32bit version, but I have a 64bit kubuntu and I can only find it for 64bits, is there a 32bit GTK lib because I want to compile a 32bit program that uses GTK
[17:46] <frybye> genii: what do i have to do to "mount cifs?"
[17:46] <frybye> hmm net-split or..?
[17:46] <engineer> definitly or
[17:47] <frybye> genii: you still there...?
[17:49] <RurouniJones> Does anyone know what Character set anthy uses when you switch to Japanese input? It doesn't appears to be UTF-8 because when I enter it into a web browser it gets mangled (Yes the web-app is UTF-8 and so is the database)
[17:50] <genii> frybye: Work needed me. Back now
[17:50] <frybye> ok - so now I can see the stuff on the comp1 but it is giveing a fault report about mounting cifs??
[17:51] <frybye> dont work too hard there - we need you heheheh
[17:51] <Nyad> Hi, I need to install libgtk the 32bit version, but I have a 64bit kubuntu and I can only find it for 64bits, is there a 32bit GTK lib because I want to compile a 32bit program that uses GTK
[17:51] <genii> frybye: When it says dir does not exist, likely it's some directory you wrote into that gui configuration tool which does not exist.
[17:52] <frybye> no it is the Public folder on the other puter - but the smb4k does not allow me to access it - see fault report above..
[17:52] <adz21c> Nyad: search for ia32
[17:52] <frybye> genii: here -
[17:52] <frybye> mount error 2 = No such file or directory
[17:52] <frybye> [18:44] <frybye> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[17:52] <adz21c> Nyad: i think they have dev packages with them
[17:53]  * genii headdesks
[17:53] <frybye> this smb4k is a/the config tool .. eh ..
[17:54] <frybye> genii:  sorry didnt understand - headdesk???
[17:54] <pl> yo
[17:54] <pl> kto polak?
[17:54] <frybye> nie mal - anglieskiego...
[17:54] <llutz> is there a (perl-)package containing HTML::TableContentParser ?
[17:54] <frybye> par angielskiego proze...
[17:54] <frybye> plese speak english...
[17:55] <pl> ok
[17:55] <pl> Who is polish?
[17:55] <frybye> probably wrong channel...here engl. language
[17:55] <frybye> genii: what to do now???
[17:56] <Nyad> adz21c: sudo apt-cache search gtk ia32       doesn't really bring up anything useful
[17:56] <Pennycook> !polish | pl
[17:57] <frybye> genii: I have just removed that other thing...
[17:59] <DaSkreech> I can't get krita to run
[18:00] <DaSkreech> Run 'kde-config --path services' to see which directories were searched, assuming kde startup had the same environment as your current shell.
[18:00] <DaSkreech> I get that error message
[18:00] <DaSkreech> Which gives me /home/ubuntu/.kde/share/services/:/usr/share/services/:/rofs/usr/share/services/
[18:02] <frybye> genii: I have had a look at man mount.cifs - there are about 40+ pages of stuff I dont undersand 1% of...
[18:02] <Rioting_pacifist> im getting "(If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" from glxinfo how do i set libgl_debug?
[18:03] <frybye> Rioting_pacifist: can you give me a tip how to get access to this directory on ther other machin in Smb4K
[18:04] <Rioting_pacifist> sorry i never used smb, so no idea
[18:04] <frybye> genii: <--- seems to have been lost in the netsplit...
[18:04] <frybye> ok Rioting_pacifist np
[18:04] <frybye> p yeah but not your p heheh
[18:05] <frybye> who else knows how to use smb4k???
[18:05] <Rioting_pacifist> echo..co...co...co...co
[18:06] <moshe> hi, i've noticed that firefox doesn't load page components suddenly and strace -p <firefoxpid> showed a lot of "EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" - then i tried fsck and it said "fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=e4ead2df-71d4-4319-b4a8-fa4a3b3dff13'" - this is the identifier used by default installation in kernel boot line in /boot/grub/menu.lst - what should i do? thanks
[18:08] <llutz> moshe: use partition-name not UUID for fsck
[18:08] <moshe> llutz: i didn't specify anything in command line it was taken by defualt
[18:08] <moshe> default
[18:11] <moshe> llutz: the line in grub is: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-18-generic root=UUID=e4ead2df-71d4-4319-b4a8-fa4a3b3dff13 ro quiet splash
[18:11] <DaSkreech> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Check your installation (did you install KOffice in a different prefix than KDE, without adding the prefix to /etc/kderc ?)
[18:11] <moshe> is that how it's suppose to be or should i change it to something else?
[18:12] <llutz> moshe: waht does "blkid|grep dff13" say?
[18:12] <moshe> says: /dev/sda1: UUID="e4ead2df-71d4-4319-b4a8-fa4a3b3dff13" TYPE="ext3"
[18:13] <moshe> oh maybe it didn't find because i wasn't in root shell
[18:13] <moshe> so UUID is fine
[18:14] <moshe> if i run fsck on mounted volume, but do not fix anything, is it still dangerous?
[18:15] <llutz> moshe: try to avoid that
[18:15] <moshe> k, gonna reboot into single user mode..
[18:15] <moshe> thanks for the help
[18:16] <llutz> moshe: sudo touch /forcefsck  if sda1 is your /
[18:16] <llutz> moshe: then it will be checked after next reboot
[18:17] <grendal_prime> Odd-rationale: ya werid i dont see a line for alt+tab..everything else in there but not that??
[18:18] <moshe> llutz: would you happen to know what this refers to - memory or disk: read(3, 0x8073bec, 4096)                = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:18] <Odd-rationale> grendal_prime: well. you will have to look for the switch window thing and set it to alt+tab...
[18:19] <grendal_prime> ya
[18:19] <grendal_prime> doing that now
[18:19] <moshe> k rebooting
[18:21] <haryono> Can i fix my hdd trouble by adding memory to 512 ?
[18:21] <DaSkreech> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: kritapart.desktop not found.
[18:21] <haryono> now is only 256
[18:22] <DaSkreech> haryono: What hdd trouble?
[18:22] <haryono> noisy when start and hang in the way
[18:22] <DaSkreech> haryono: Possibly but I would still look into a new hard drive over the longer term
[18:23] <jhutchins_wk> llutz: see also shutdown -Fr
[18:23] <haryono> i turn off computer many time manually because its hang .Is ist problem?
[18:24] <thiyagu> does anyone know where I can find a good download for java vm for version 7.04?
[18:24] <haryono> manually by unplug power cable from the socket is it ok
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> haryono: It could be bad blocks on the hard drive, or it could be a RAM problem.  You should be able to run in 256k, provided you don't open a lot of GUI stuff.
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> !java
[18:25] <thiyagu> great! thx
[18:25] <haryono> What is GUI?
[18:25] <jhutchins_wk> haryono: Hope you have good backups.
[18:25] <RurouniJones> haryono: Graphical User Interface
[18:25] <haryono> how to back ups?
[18:26] <haryono> im newbie
[18:26] <RurouniJones> What is your native language?
[18:26] <haryono> What is the Icons in KDE Manual?
[18:26] <haryono> GUI is
[18:26] <RurouniJones> haryono: Where are you from? What language do you speak
[18:27] <haryono> Indones
[18:28] <RurouniJones> !id | haryono
[18:28] <DaSkreech> RurouniJones: He's probably there already :)
[18:28] <DaSkreech> it's a very quiet chan
[18:28] <RurouniJones> Can't hurt to check
[18:28] <pim_> right now it is
[18:28] <pim_> not always
[18:28] <angasule_> I think it's the middle of the night over there
[18:28] <DaSkreech> hi pim_
[18:29] <pim_> hi
[18:29] <angasule_> what's up with angasule? :/
[18:29] <angasule_> silly nickname won't get dropped
[18:29] <DaSkreech> angasule_: Do you own the name?
[18:30] <angasule_> yeah, I'm a bit puzzled, it doesn't usually take this long for it to get dropped
[18:31] <angasule_> take that, sucker
[18:31] <angasule> :D
[18:32] <thewhitepelican> does anyone use kde4.1 beta 1?
[18:32] <angasule> I do
[18:32] <angasule> thewhitepelican: #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[18:33] <tomcbe> hi
[18:33] <DaSkreech> !ghost | angasule
[18:33] <tomcbe> anyone for frndship
[18:33] <thewhitepelican> sure, why not?
[18:34] <DaSkreech> !myspace
[18:34] <DaSkreech> drat
[18:35] <angasule> DaSkreech: as you can see, I ghosted it already, usually it takes only a minute or two, so I don't bother
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> angasule: Actually, we don't see stuff that has a leading "/", only you see that.
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Really?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> If I don't ghost mine it takes 40 minutes to drop
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> (The "take that, sucker" line above)
[18:36] <angasule> might be the particular server?
[18:37] <angasule> jhutchins_wk: but you could see angasule's quit message, which said 'nick collision from services'
[18:39] <jhutchins_wk> angasule: If I didn't filter join/part messages I wouldn't be able to read this channel.
[18:39] <stdin> jhutchins_wk: you should see #ubuntu
[18:41] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: try #kde
[18:41] <DaSkreech> that's got to be the most verbose quiet channel in history
[18:42] <andrei6200> Random Fortune: Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us  to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza."    [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government  licence to sell liquor. 	-- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University
[18:43] <Rioting_pacifist> !radeon
[18:43] <Rioting_pacifist> !dri
[18:43] <stdin> andrei6200: don't do that
[18:44] <Rioting_pacifist> are there any howtos for non binary drivers
[18:44] <andrei6200> stdin: just trying out stuff
[18:44] <DaSkreech> apt-tttttttttttttttinsall?
[18:44] <andrei6200> now i know
[18:44] <DaSkreech> bah
[18:45] <DaSkreech> dog
[18:46] <miglo> hi all! I've upgraded to kubuntu 8.04 and have now no sound :-/  does someone have had a similar problem and a possible solution for that  :-)
[18:46] <Rioting_pacifist> miglo: was it working before hardy?
[18:47] <miglo> Rioting_pacifist yes, very well
[18:47] <miglo> I've today removed all the other kernel versions but have still no sound
[18:47] <Rioting_pacifist> check its not muted (i know it sounds stupid but its always worth a shot) by turning EVERY channel to max in amixer
[18:47] <Rioting_pacifist> *alsamixer
[18:48] <angasule> doesn't 8.04 use pulseaudio?
[18:48] <__Adam__> hello - i cant get my microphone to work
[18:48] <Rioting_pacifist> not on kubuntu
[18:48] <DaSkreech> dunno never been clear on if Kubuntu uses it
[18:48] <miglo> checked already all possibilities using alsamixer wihout any success  :-(
[18:48] <__Adam__> thats a lie
[18:49] <__Adam__> i can now get it to work but its really quiet
[18:49] <Rioting_pacifist> in that case unless somebody here knows about sounds issues id recomend #alsa, it may be that your card has been misdetected in the upgrade
[18:50] <miglo> Rioting_pacifist thanks
[18:50] <Rioting_pacifist> man those #alsa guys are gunna start hating me soon
[18:51] <DaSkreech> Rioting_pacifist: buy them kookies
[18:51] <Rioting_pacifist> __Adam__: try turning everything up to max in kmix, even obscure settings
[18:51] <__Adam__> they are all up
[18:51] <__Adam__> icuding the mic boost :s
[18:52] <Rioting_pacifist> i think ill jsut pass the blame on to whoever sent me there when i had problems, its one of the few backend channels that offer really good support, often better than the support found here, depends whos about ofc
[18:52] <DaSkreech> Rioting_pacifist: They need to export it
[18:53] <DaSkreech> get someone to maintain a Wiki or an FAQ
[18:53] <miglo> solved it using KMix  :-)
[18:53] <Rioting_pacifist> so do we tbh, forums are hit and miss and the wiki aint so hot for anything after fiesty
[18:54] <Rioting_pacifist> abscure setting?
[18:54] <DaSkreech> miglo: what was the problem?
[18:54] <Rioting_pacifist> *obscure
[18:54] <DaSkreech> <troll mode> Feisty was the last one worth installing </troll mode>
[18:55] <__Adam__> all up :s
Since feisty all the users are noobs</b></troll>
[18:56] <pim_> Rioting_pacifist maybe you should switch to gentoo or something like that :p
[18:56] <Rioting_pacifist> __Adam__: anything other than volume labels is over my head, try #alsa
[18:56] <__Adam__> kk....
[18:58] <miglo> KMix offers some buttons (looking like lamps/LED's) for tunrning the sound on and off. I've clicked around on all the buttons and additionally pulled every slider to the maximum
[18:58] <Rioting_pacifist> meh gentoo users are noobs with thier ebiulds <actually saw somebody say that once, think it was a slackware user. I do think the wiki could do with some major work though, might start writting my experiences in it even if i dont know much
[18:59] <miglo> ... until I got some sound
[19:01] <miglo> I'm wondering why alsamixer does not have this possibility
[19:01] <Rioting_pacifist> i always though alsamixer was more verbose than kmix, perhaps ill tell everybody to use kmix in future thx
[19:06] <zippah> can someone halp me on an install?
[19:06] <zippah> ./msg me please if you can
[19:06] <mefisto__> what are you installing zippah?
[19:07] <zippah> the latest iso from ubuntu
[19:08] <zippah> it's stalling on a desktop background and a nouse pointer that won't move
[19:08] <miglo> is it possible to mute a certain channel using alsamixer? - didn't found a way until now
[19:08] <drurew> miglo: terminal ?
[19:09] <DaSkreech> zippah: on boot up?
[19:09] <Rioting_pacifist> zippah: its better if people dont message as there may be collective input here, how much ram do you have
[19:09] <mefisto__> miglo: press M to mute. (? key gives you a help screen for using alsamixer)
[19:09] <Rioting_pacifist> m
[19:11] <miglo> cool - have leared again something new :-)  thanks a lot
[19:11] <DaSkreech> miglo: hang out here
[19:11] <DaSkreech> something new comes up everyday
[19:12] <pim_> I started a game which set a certain resolution but it wasn't changed back
[19:12] <pim_> How can I reset this?
[19:12] <zippah> i'm not sure how much ram this box has but it was running win2k that it came with a while gback
[19:13] <zippah> i'm trying the install in the lower res mode and it's still hanging on the desktop background w/mouse pointer not moving
[19:13] <mefisto__> pim_: try this: alt-F2, type krandrtray, then try changing screen size with the icon in the tray
[19:13] <pim_> Thanks mefisto_
[19:15] <zippah> but while it appears stalled, the cd keeps spinning
[19:16] <miglo> pim_ hm, I remember that it is also possible to change the resolution with "ctrl"+"alt"+"+/-"
[19:16] <DaSkreech> zippah: I'll assume you are not on that box now?
[19:16] <mefisto__> miglo: it was possible to do it that way, but doesn't seem to work any more for me
[19:17] <miglo> the "plus" and "minus" sign at the right site of the keyboard
[19:17] <miglo> it still works for me
[19:18] <DaSkreech> miglo: They disabled that for bulletproof X I think
[19:23] <Flare183> !netsplit
[19:24] <zippah> now i have a white rectangle with a curser over the desktop and the curser does not move
[19:28] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: kdedaily broke for me :(
[19:29] <TimS> I get to the login, I can update but logging in just gives a blank screen
[19:30] <PhoenixGI> Hello all
[19:30] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: It just goes grey :(
[19:34] <Lupus-SLE> Hello
[19:34] <Lupus-SLE> I've got some .mkv files here which I'm having a problem playing
[19:34] <Lupus-SLE> In mplayer everythings fine and dandy but the audio won't work in kaffeine
[19:35] <Lupus-SLE> I understand MKV is a container format but I don't know what format it actually contains :/
[19:37] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Try killing plasma, wiping your plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc and restarting it.
[19:37] <TimS> How do I do that?
[19:37] <voici> hi, i have an external monitor attached to my notebook. when i start a video in kaffeine, it shows up on the notebook screen but not on the external monitor. the video stays just black. how would i fix this? tnx
[19:38] <TimS> Something I can do from the update terminal?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:38] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Yep - from the update terminal, do remove ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*
[19:38] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[19:38] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: I did
[19:38] <Lupus-SLE> Many many moons ago
[19:38] <TimS> Cheers SSJ_GZ =]
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Ah Linux needs a Gspot
[19:38] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: np - let me know if it works :)
[19:39] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: It would help more to know the audio codec
[19:39] <Lupus-SLE> Mplayer gaves me this
[19:39] <DaSkreech> !paste
[19:39] <zippah> now the creen just went black
[19:39] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: I know... I've heard of it
[19:39] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Preemptive education :)
[19:40] <DaSkreech> before the full output of a mplayer output gets dumped in the chan
[19:40] <DaSkreech> zippah: press alt+ctrl+f1
[19:40] <Lupus-SLE> I was gonna post 2 lines ¬_¬
[19:40] <Lupus-SLE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19419/
[19:40] <Lupus-SLE> Go
[19:40] <voici> hi, i have an external monitor attached to my notebook. when i start a video in kaffeine, it shows up on the notebook screen but not on the external monitor. the video stays just black. how would i fix this? tnx
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: sorry as this makes me I don't live in your head and so wasn't informed about that :)
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Looks like libxine1-ffmpeg should be good enough
[19:42] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: I would think so too
[19:42] <Lupus-SLE> Except for the fact that's already installed
[19:42] <Lupus-SLE> Along with ffmpeg
[19:42] <Rioting_pacifist> what directories/ scripts affect autostart?
[19:43] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[19:43] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: It's really taxing me
[19:44] <pim> Hey I'm now operating from command line, I'd like to know how I can kill a process from it, since in my gui an app has crashed.
[19:44] <DaSkreech> pim: Which app
[19:44] <Lupus-SLE> It works dandy in mplayer but I can't understand what mplayer has that xine doesn't.
[19:44] <pim> DaSkreech Stronghold Legends with wine
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Libmplayer? :)
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> when i edit files with gedit I alway get a <filename>~ file as well as the one I editted. Is it possible to not have these created?
[19:44] <DaSkreech> pim: Ugh might have to kill wine
[19:44] <DaSkreech> pim: killall wine
[19:45] <pim> ok thanks
[19:45] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: #ubuntu ?
[19:45] <pim> DaSkreech it was no good, it said no app killed
[19:45] <pim> no process killed
[19:46] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: you can switch off making backups in kwrite's options, probably similar in gedit
[19:46] <zippah> my ubuntu install is now stalled on a screen that has the desktop background and a "install" popup window and a curser.  this is the worst install of linux i've ever seen, wtf
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: yeah found it bro
[19:46] <DaSkreech> pim: ps aux | grep wine
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: indeed
[19:47] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: gnome apps are unlikely to be installed by most folks in this chan and Gnome stuff is also notorious amongst KDE fanatics for not having any options so they wouldn't even hazard a guess :)
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: usually they have a similar api, I find #Kubuntu to house the smarter peeps
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: personal experience talking here
[19:49] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Yes I understand But you are talking about an option :) KDE guys wil not step into the world of Gnome Options. It's one of the big diffrentiators
[19:49] <sensae> Well maybe this channel can help me. My BIOS sees both my drives but the Ubuntu server disc only sees one.
[19:49] <dj18881ram> hi
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Having said that I should think that gedit would allow you to turn it off
[19:50] <dj18881ram> alguien de venezuela
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: yeah it does. its REALLY annoying
[19:50] <DaSkreech> sensae: sure one isn't being seen as /dev/hd and another as /dev/sd ?
[19:50] <DaSkreech> es
[19:50] <DaSkreech> !es
[19:50] <sensae> DaSkreech: Well yes. One's PATA and one's SATA
[19:50] <paul> some girls heer..or only ubuntu boys?
[19:50] <paul> heer
[19:50] <costa58> nessuno italiano
[19:50] <paul> here
[19:50] <DaSkreech> !it
[19:50] <paul> and for romanian?
[19:51] <costa58> grazie
[19:51] <DaSkreech> !romania
[19:51] <paul> thanks
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> does anyone use the no-ip duc client?
[19:51] <shadowhywind> hay all a werid and random question, everytime i try to run a program in the background using & , and check it with jobs it says that the program is stopped. anyway to make programs continue running but be in the background?
[19:52] <sensae> DaSkreech: Why would that interfere with the installer seeing them?
[19:52] <DaSkreech> sensae: Dunno just the first thing that came to my mind
[19:52] <pim_> Hm rebooting helped
[19:54] <llutz> jhutchins_wk: sorry, was busy. according "shutdown -F" see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/74139
[19:56] <Rioting_pacifist> ive checked all off KDEs autostarts and compiz isnt there but it still starts with kde :S any ideas
[19:58] <mefisto__> Rioting_pacifist: might be just restoring your last session
[19:58] <Rioting_pacifist> mefisto__: ive disabled session management
[20:00] <Rioting_pacifist> nvm found it its set itself as the defailt window manager
[20:01] <mefisto__> where did you find that, Rioting_pacifist?
[20:01] <Rioting_pacifist> typed env into konsole
[20:08] <caryjebus> odd...
[20:08] <caryjebus> my thermal wont open
[20:11] <pteague_work> how do i make firefox my default browser in kde?
[20:12] <emilsedgh> pteague_work: System Settings->Default Applications
[20:12] <DJG9282> Hi guys...i was playing with the adminstrator mode in the user management...and i created a new person and changed mine to a different name and user folder and now when i try to load it says it cant find some config file and that i must check my installation...any suggestions? does this mean i have to reinstall?
[20:16] <DJG9282> ...
[20:17] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: Probably not just need to sort out your user accounts
[20:18] <DJG9282> yeah but i cannot get into root mode anymore
[20:18] <DJG9282> because i changed it
[20:19] <DaSkreech> you changed root mode?
[20:19] <DJG9282> what i did
[20:19] <DJG9282> is i went into the main root account
[20:19] <DJG9282> because what i wanted to do
[20:19] <DJG9282> was make a separate "internet" account for myself
[20:19] <DJG9282> and not surf under the root account
[20:19] <DaSkreech> The "main" root account ?
[20:20] <DaSkreech> You mean your first user?
[20:20] <DJG9282> yes first user
[20:20] <DaSkreech> ok
[20:20] <DJG9282> so i went in there
[20:20] <DaSkreech> right
[20:20] <DJG9282> and i switched it all up
[20:20] <DaSkreech> why?
[20:20] <DJG9282> i changed the directories
[20:21] <DJG9282> well the reason why i changed the directories was so i could still use the same folders under a new account name
[20:21] <DJG9282> unfortunately...when i tried to get into the first user account
[20:21] <DJG9282> it said "no way"
[20:21] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: Riiight :-)
[20:21] <DaSkreech> can you get into the new account?
[20:21] <DJG9282> nope
[20:22] <DJG9282> i am on my wife's right now
[20:22] <DaSkreech> ok
[20:22] <DaSkreech> does she have admin rights?
[20:23] <JuJuBee> I can't seem to install the flash player/plugin for Firefox.  Any suggestions? Kubuntu 8.04 Kde 4
[20:23] <DJG9282> nope...i didn't give it to her because i was afraid she'd ruin the system hehe whoops
[20:23] <pteague_work> is there somewhere i can look to see what user apps get started at boot?
[20:23] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: install flashpugin-nonfree
[20:24] <DJG9282> going to have to fresh install huh?
[20:24] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: Do you have a live CD?
[20:24] <DJG9282> yes i do
[20:24] <JuJuBee> I tried.
[20:24] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: And?
[20:25] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: actually you can just reboot into maintenance mode and fix it
[20:25] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: But lets do the Live CD :0
[20:25] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[20:25] <DaSkreech> You are going to chroot and fix it
[20:25] <JuJuBee> It claims it is installed but when I go to adobe the initial page  has  swf that doesn't play, When i click on it, it tells me to get the latest player
[20:25] <DJG9282> ok how would i do that?
[20:25] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: I'm running out but once you get the live CD up ask someone here how to mount your drive and chroot into it
[20:26] <DaSkreech> I think anyone who knows that much can help you fix back your machine
[20:26] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: restarted Firefox?
[20:26] <DJG9282> ok thanks
[20:26] <JuJuBee> of coures
[20:26] <JuJuBee> many times
[20:27] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: does /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so exist?
[20:28] <JuJuBee> yes
[20:29] <JuJuBee> so does ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[20:29] <DaSkreech> do you have rigths to it
[20:29] <JuJuBee> in ~/.mozilla yes... in /usr yes...
[20:31] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: in firefox, navigate to about:plugins and see if "shockwave flash" is listed
[20:32] <JuJuBee> yes
[20:32] <DJG9282> Is it easier to get my OS up and running again through the live CD and chroot or through maintenace mode...not really experienced with this whole linux thing...anyone have suggestions?
[20:34] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: but no flash works? eg youtube?
[20:34] <JuJuBee> correct
[20:35] <JuJuBee> I just purged all flash from adept still about says flash installed ???
[20:36] <JuJuBee> Somtin fishy ...
[20:36]  * xubuntu bye
[20:37] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: you've removed flashplugin-nonfree, and restarted firefox, but flashplugin is still in about:plugins in firefox? is that right?
[20:37] <JuJuBee> Yes
[20:39] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: do you still have libflashplayer.so anywhere?
[20:41] <JuJuBee> Hmm, in .mozilla... removed now ok
[20:42] <JuJuBee> Wow, that was very weird. after I removed from .mozilla... reinstalled everything worked...  Thanks
[20:43] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: maybe it was conflicting versions of the plugin?
[20:43] <shampoonator> mmh hi there, i have  a little problem, i played around with kmix a bit.. and now my microphone does not work anymore with teamspeak (and wow)
[20:44] <JuJuBee> Guess so...
[20:44] <shampoonator> any idea what it could be? if i select the green dot and the red dot in kmix i can hear myseld speaking, but not in teamspeak aso
[20:44] <shampoonator> i use aoss for wow btw..
[20:45] <JuJuBee> What's up with icons on a kde4 desktop?  They have a dark shadow/box around them... kind of annoying
[20:55] <rohan> hi, i enabled compiz using the desktop effects applet. now my alt-tab is really really weird. it used to show a list of windows first, now it juts cycles through them randomly
[20:55] <rohan> also, alt-tab doesn't cycle through minimized windows. what could be the problem?
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> rohan: Check in #compiz
[20:56] <Rioting_pacifist> how to i set KDEWM=kwin ?
[20:56] <tdela> wow, kubuntu kde 4 looks slick, is that the default desktop for kubuntu?
[20:56] <rohan_> DAMN my net.
[20:57] <rohan_> hi, i enabled compiz using the desktop effects applet. now my alt-tab is really really weird. it used to show a list of windows first, now it juts cycles through them randomly. also, alt-tab doesn't cycle through minimized windows. what could be the problem?
[20:58] <jla> hola.
[20:58] <Rioting_pacifist> rohan: thats the compiz alt-tab there is no way to use a kde style one in compiz AFAIK, you can change the settings for it in ccsm tho
[20:58] <Rioting_pacifist> !es
[20:58] <jla> ok..
[20:58] <rohan> Rioting_pacifist: yes, but i've deleted all instances of compiz. i've disabled desktop settings too
[20:59] <Rioting_pacifist> have you tried kwin --replace
[20:59] <rohan> Rioting_pacifist: ok, i just tried it and it crashed whatever window manager i had
[21:00] <savetheWorld> Hi all- looking at at kubuntu 8.04, and I was wondering if anyone had a feeling for how much resources it consumes compared to 6.06 (Dapper)
[21:00] <Rioting_pacifist> rohan: it should then load up kwin
[21:00] <savetheWorld> in otehr words - if I move to it, will it run fatser than my current desktop, orslower?
[21:00] <savetheWorld> *faster
[21:08] <savetheWorld> _CrashMaster_: did you read the question i asked?
[21:08] <savetheWorld> _CrashMaster_: I knew as soon as you wanted to know what hardware I was running that you had IRC disease # 3. :-)
[21:08] <engineer> wtf
[21:08] <rohan> this compiz shit is really best left to gnome
[21:08] <engineer> compiz works like a charm here
[21:08] <rohan> Rioting_pacifist: ok, i'm definitely sure i'm using compiz. anything else for me to check?
[21:08] <savetheWorld> IRC disease #3 = "I dont know the answer to the question you asked but I want to say something so badly I will instead answer a question That I will make up, and I will pretend it answers the question you asked."
[21:08] <Nece228> Compiz actually is designed for gtk2 (gnome)
[21:08] <_CrashMaster_> savetheWorld: Turns out I actually have disease numbers 1,3,6, and 42.
[21:09] <savetheWorld> Does anyone know if Heron will run faster or Slower than Dapper when run on the same hardware?
[21:09] <Rioting_pacifist> depends
[21:10] <_CrashMaster_> savetheWorld: Or, perhaps, I don't have the answer to your question, so I will ask further question in an attempt to draw more information from you, possibly leading me the answers you're looking for. If you believe that Im wasting your time, then just politely decline my assistance and move on to the next person trying to help you.
[21:10] <savetheWorld> Rioting_pacifist: Assume same hardware and same mix of applications and usage.
[21:10] <savetheWorld> Rioting_pacifist: any other factors?
[21:11] <Rioting_pacifist> without benchmarking i cant tell id guess it would run faster if you have a proprietry driver other than that itll be about the same
[21:11] <wayneandleanne> whats the best way to encode to h.264 using dv:rip, anybody know?
[21:11] <savetheWorld> Rioting_pacifist: OK, thanks
[21:12] <Rioting_pacifist> savetheWorld: if you use firefox for many people firefox3 is faster, but konqueror is faster than both anyway
[21:13] <savetheWorld> how id ff doing on memory leaks?
[21:13] <savetheWorld> *is ff3
[21:14] <Rioting_pacifist> much better than ff2
[21:15] <coucouf> yes, there is a big difference
[21:15] <savetheWorld> good.   sounds like Heron may be an improvement for me.
[21:15] <savetheWorld> Thanks.
[21:16] <engineer> savetheWorld great
[21:16] <coucouf> I currently stays under 200 Mo/week, whereas I used to reach 500 Mo and close it
[21:16] <coucouf> *It currently
[21:16] <engineer> i could say now the problem are the extensions
[21:20] <Lemonade[and]Fud> Hello guys, i was told that i could use "/whatever /whatever none bind 0 0" in fstab to mount a drive i already have mounted, but in a seperate location, with fstab. but when i doo mount -a i get this "mount: not a catalog" why is that?
[21:24] <Nece228> is possible to install edubuntu add on cd progs to kubuntu?
[21:26] <igor> alguem fala portugues?
[21:26] <coucouf> i just tried with "/olddir /newdir none bind" and it works fine
[21:27] <engineer> igor talvez
[21:27] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: should work that way, i use it for several mounts here
[21:28] <Lemonade[and]Fud> llutz : can you take a look at my fstab and see if you see any errors?
[21:28] <llutz> !paste | Lemonade[and]Fud
[21:28] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: paste it there ^^
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> #
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # /dev/sda1
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> UUID=b59595f0-dce8-4d96-beb0-ea487ba06104 /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # /dev/sda5
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> UUID=e8fd4c47-e732-49d3-856c-733beade40b9 none            swap    sw              0       0
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> not everything got in
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> wait
[21:29] <coucouf> not here the paste !!!
[21:29] <llutz> !paste | Lemonade[and]Fud use this
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> ah sry
[21:30] <Lemonade[and]Fud> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19455/
[21:31] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: change last line: /media/disk /home/bastu/downloads/media    none    bind    0 0
[21:31] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: you have to use the mountpoint not the device for that bind
[21:31] <Lemonade[and]Fud> nope, the same
[21:31] <Lemonade[and]Fud> ah
[21:31] <coucouf> on line 13, you souldn't use the device "/dev/sdc" but the already mounted folder
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> ahh.. kk
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> that should be it
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> thanks
[21:32] <coucouf> that's it, I'm too slow :)
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> hehe
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> :)
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> thanks guys, no error
[21:34] <JuJuBee> How do I automount an ntfs partition when kubuntu boots?  I keep my music library on the ntfs drive and want it available for Amarok.
[21:35] <JuJuBee> Should I just put an entry in /etc/fstab ? or another way?
[21:35] <llutz> fstab is the place
[21:35] <JuJuBee> K
[21:37] <JuJuBee> What is the easiest way to figure out what /def/??? the ntfs partition is?
[21:37] <llutz> sudo fdisk -l|grep ntfs
[21:41] <mefisto__> make that grep -i or grep NTFS
[21:41] <JuJuBee> got it, thanks
[21:42] <JuJuBee> does hardy use ntfs-3g?
[21:42] <tzd> if a bug is reported and there's a solution then that should be stated in the header right? I mean, where can i see if the issue has been resolved please?
[21:42] <JuJuBee> trying to figure out what to put into fstab  /dev/sdb1 /mnt/winxp ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 ?
[21:43] <tekgeeklt> I have a few little issues right now but one that is very annoying is that I can not resize any windows ... I get the little arrow on the corner of any window but I can not click and drag them .. but I can hit maximize and that works
[21:43] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: yes it uses ntfs-3g. look in kmenu > system for NTFS configuration tool. It set up my fstab automatically
[21:44] <tzd> JuJuBee: I'm pretty sure ntfs-3g should be just ntfs in fstab... the other options i can't remember though :/
[21:44] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: also, it's better to make the mountpoint in /media instead of /mnt
[21:45] <JuJuBee> no ntfs tool using kde4 and ok will use media
[21:48] <JuJuBee> weird, when I mount it I can ls using cli and see everything, but when I use Dolphin, I cannot even see /media/WINXP
[21:49] <JuJuBee> Konqueror works though
[21:50] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: what about media:/ in dolphin? does that work?
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> JuJuBee: How are you mounting it?
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> JuJuBee: I think you may be mounting it with root access only.
[21:50] <tzd> does anyone know if the issue with: ... NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_dbus_init() ... at shutdown/reboot has been fixed please? I've seen a lot of reported cases but only seen 1 workaround that won't do it for me :/
[21:51] <JuJuBee> Funny, after restarting Dolphin a couple of times it works.  KDE4 seems a bit buggy still
[21:52] <sorin> hi guys !
[21:52] <bittin> Hello sorin
[21:52] <JuJuBee> Yipeeeee, my music is back...
[21:53] <sorin> after every shootsown , y x86_64 kubuntu 8-04 remain without 3D accel
[21:53] <sorin> any ideea ?
[21:53] <sorin> sorry
[21:54] <sorin> after every shootdown the graphic driver is disapearing
[21:54] <adz21c> sorin: which driver is this?
[21:55] <sorin> it works fine ,with compiz , with  games
[21:55] <sorin> nvidia glx new
[21:55] <adz21c> your using the deb?
[21:56] <sorin> i use kubuntu x86_64 and that driver is the one from adept manager
[21:57] <adz21c> yes then. well thats what i use and i have no issues. When you say the driver disappears, what happens exactly?
[21:57] <sorin> black screen after boot
[21:58] <engineer> unplugged monitor?
[21:58] <Dannilion> Can anyone help? I was just watching a css-encrypted DVD using Kaffeine. Get to DVD 2, and it complains that it can't decrypt it, when it just managed the first DVD. I'm on Hardy. Any ideas?
[21:58] <sorin> is loading kubuntu welcome screen and after that nothing to say just a black screen
[21:59] <engineer> sorin reinstall kdm
[21:59] <engineer> or reconfigure your xorg
[21:59] <sorin>  ok i try to do this
[22:00] <sorin> because with safe recovery mode is working with generic nv driver i install the 3D driver ,but at first shootdown ,black screen again
[22:05] <Dannilion> Ahh... got it :) Was an error in the Kaffeine xine settings (was pointing to /dev/dvd instead of /dev/dvd1
[22:06] <Hispa> Hola
[22:09] <jessica_> i need help getting my webcam working in ubuntu its the Trust Webcam WB-1400T
[22:09] <jessica_> i beleve it needs the gcpca driver
[22:10] <engineer> tried loading that driver?
[22:11] <jessica_> yes i dont think kubuntu has it (im using gutsy)
[22:12] <Haza> Evening folks. just a quick question. Does kubuntu has the same sort of software that allows me to see what processes are eating cpu and ram (like windows task manager)
[22:12] <engineer> ksysguard
[22:12] <tzd> Haza: try ctrl + esc
[22:12] <Haza> Ahhhh
[22:12] <Haza> Thats it! :D
[22:12] <Haza> Cheers!
[22:13] <tzd> np ;)
[22:13]  * Haza has finally made the final move to all linux recently ;)
[22:13] <Haza> I stared by moving over the server then decided to move over for my daily use lappy
[22:13] <Haza> Amazing...!
[22:13] <jessica_> dose anyone know how to get the gcpca installed
[22:13] <Haza> *started
[22:13] <engineer> modprobe gcpca
[22:14] <jessica_> thanks
[22:14] <tzd> hehe yeah i've recently went all linux too... formatted my old ntfs drives ;P
[22:14] <jessica_> FATAL: Module gcpca not found.
[22:14] <Haza> My only problem is im starting to think that Kubuntu will auto complete everything for me. Even IRC conversation :)
[22:15] <engineer> jessica_ http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[22:15] <caryjebus> werid
[22:15]  * adz21c wishes he could go all linux but enjoys gaming too much ... thinks maybe he should mail bomb game devs till they start using opengl etc
[22:15] <jessica_> oo i spelt it wrong god i feel so noobish
[22:15] <engineer> ...
[22:15] <engineer> sudo modprobe by the way
[22:16] <jessica_> i spelt it gcpca its gspca
[22:16] <pteague_work> could somebody please tell me how to get the taskbar to put some sort of border around each of the window tabs?
[22:16] <jessica_> ok thanks
[22:17] <coucouf> no problem, noobs are affectionate animals ^^
[22:18] <tzd> pteague_work: righ click panel - > adjust panel ... -> activity field - > Look: classic
[22:18] <tzd> pteague_work: that's freely translated by the way so don't take the "titles" too seriously ;)
[22:19] <caryjebus> adz
[22:19] <caryjebus> heard of somethg called
[22:19] <caryjebus> WINE, Cedega!!!
[22:19] <caryjebus> >_<
[22:19] <adz21c> yea they are ok, but they dont do all games
[22:19] <adz21c> cedege i stopped using, i was getting no where with it, so i cancelled subscription etc
[22:20] <adz21c> wine is ok, particularly with my old games
[22:20] <adz21c> but some of them (splinter cell for example) it fails
[22:20] <caryjebus> then use virtualization or emulation]
[22:20] <adz21c> for splinter cell? how .....
[22:20] <pteague_work> tzd: k, i found it in configure panel -> taskbar -> appearance -> classic ... thanks for info though, i scanned past that earlier & didn't notice it
[22:21] <caryjebus> and who gets cedega that way? ;)
[22:21] <tzd> pteague_work: thank for the proper translation :)
[22:21] <caryjebus> IDK... can somehere explan how to virtalize windows?
[22:21] <adz21c> it wont work
[22:22] <adz21c> i got windows virtualised
[22:22] <adz21c> for the odd desktop app i need
[22:22] <adz21c> it cant even run star trek armada (4mb graphics card and 32mb of ram)
[22:22] <engineer> omg
[22:23] <engineer> i could run that here
[22:23] <adz21c> well i play that via wine, but virtualised windows can;t play it
[22:24] <adz21c> so if virtualised windows can't play star trek armada its got no hope with games such as splinter cell
[22:24] <caryjebus> :\
[22:24] <adz21c> thus, for the odd game i still need a windows install, but wine is getting better
[22:25] <adz21c> star trek legacy worked straight out, no messing
[22:25] <adz21c> hl2 seems fine as well
[22:25] <tzd> I've got a problem with Fuppes autostart after a fresh install. For some reason it won't start at boot. Before reinstalling kubuntu hardy it worked perfectly?
[22:25] <caryjebus> only one game of mine dosnt work with cedega or wine
[22:25] <caryjebus> :\
[22:26] <massimo> join #ubuntu
[22:26] <adz21c> well i have a couple, but tbh i don't game that much and ones i tend to play do work with wine, but for example the new splinter cell is out later this year so i will need a windows install for that, but once i completed it i doubt i will log into windows for a while
[22:29] <kyle__> hello?
[22:30] <kyle__> I have a question about wine, original half life, kubuntu
[22:31] <adz21c> kyle__: just ask and someone will answer if they know
[22:31] <rickest> ask so we can find out if someone can help or not
[22:32] <kyle__> when I try to play in full screen it goes to the loading screen.  I can hear all the sound from the game but it never gets past the loading screen.
[22:32] <kyle__> when I run it windowed, it shuts down when i click new game.
[22:33] <rickest> kyle__: really the original original game or are you playing it through steam now?
[22:33] <kyle__> original
[22:34] <rickest> kyle__: Google might be able to help with that but most guides nowadays are for steam
[22:34] <adz21c> kyle__: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=8 this may hold some answers, it seems to get good ratings so i would imagine it should would great, but that might have bug reports etc that might help u
[22:34] <kyle__> thats the problem i have been running into
[22:35] <rickest> kyle__: have you tried the winedb database. may be some old entries left in there
[22:35] <kyle__> checking it out now, thank you for all your help
[22:36] <rickest> good luck, kinda tough to solve
[22:36] <Fingertip> While installing from CD, kubuntu fails to recognize my screen, so it ends up logging in a prompt.
[22:37] <Fingertip> Same for trying to run it straight from the CD
[22:38] <Haza> Hmm, can i not use a wildcard character (/home/user/*) with scp to download the entire directory?
[22:39] <jussi01> how does one list all the users and groups from the command line?
[22:39] <manolis> hello all
[22:39] <Fingertip> hi
[22:41] <sorin> thank you for your time guys !
[22:41] <sorin> imy problem is solved now
[22:42] <sorin> i have 3d after complet shootdown
[22:43] <engineer> shutdown*
[22:43] <sorin> in bios : aperture size in sistem memory was set at 256mb
[22:44] <sorin> i must set to 512mb and is working now
[22:44] <jals> how does one go about changing the bitrate k3b rips at
[22:44] <sorin> same thing in 8-04 x86 and x86_64
[22:46] <sorin> engineer: thank you again ! shutdown is corect ! lol
[22:48] <Haza> This might be a daft question but.... ive used scp to upload files to a remote machine before... how might i use scp to download files from a remote machine?
[22:48] <rickest> Haza: change the order of the args;   scp remote_host:path/to/files/* .
[22:49] <Haza> rickest: Ahhh, Cheers i will give it a try. :)
[22:49] <Haza> rickest: Perfect. Thank you
[22:50] <rickest> Haza: np
[22:51] <ign0ramus> Hey all.  Still looking for a Parental Controls app (web filtering, mainly) that doesn't require using a server.  Any thoughts?
[22:51] <rickest> Haza: you can even mix & match multiple srcs, local and remote, to one dest; i.e.,  scp host1:somefile somefile2 host2:path/to/foo host3:    # puts somefile, somefiles2, and foo on host3
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> hey all, can someone suggest a web based jukebox app that wil play music on the server and not stream it to the client system?
[22:57] <hollemolle> Hi, anyone knows how to set the vpnc.conf so that it doesnt use the vpn tunnel for my private network?
[22:58] <hollemolle> and for one more network, all the others should go through vpn
[22:59] <Fingertip> Should I have any problems with a plug and play monitor?
[23:00] <Fingertip> For some reason kubunto won't open up a windowing system when I install...
[23:00] <Fingertip> And it just shows me a command prompt.
[23:03] <mike_> wats new peps
[23:06] <ign0ramus> fingertip: what version are you installing?
[23:08] <Guest51033> anyone know how i can get my sound working im using realtek hd hardware
[23:15] <ign0ramus> guest51033: are you using a laptop? if so, what brand and model?
[23:18] <Mr-Imacdaddy> i need to register ?
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> !register | Mr-Imacdaddy
[23:21] <Mr-Imacdaddy> im trying to find info on joining a ssl irc room using konverstion, or is their another irc client i can use? i never used kubuntu before, i just installed it, trying to keep away from windows
[23:30] <shane__> hello
[23:30] <Haza> Okay, another question :) What command do i want to do some reading on to seach for files on my HD?
[23:30] <Haza> shane__: Hello :)
[23:30] <shane__> i am having an isue and hoping someone can help
[23:31] <shane__> i am trying to burn a dvd i k3b and at 695 mb it exceeds the disk space,the size of dvd is 4.7 gb
[23:31] <shane__> i have done this before and the size should fit it is .avi
[23:32] <shane__> iv had this prob before in microsoft and had to switch burners nero worked
[23:32] <shane__> what might work well in kubuntu
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> shane__: there is nero linux...
[23:33] <shane__> is it a add remove program or do i need to googlee it and try the install manualy
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> shane__: well, i don't think it is free...
[23:34] <awag> my power went out today, and when i rebooted my computer everything was fine except that amarok is now refusing to play mp3
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> shane__: the file is 700 mb? and it won't fit on a 4 gb dvd?
[23:34] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok so i dont want that then ill search out a freeware
[23:34] <Colonel_Panic> something strange has happened when I upgraded to Hardy
[23:34] <awag> i've reinstalled amarok as well as w32codecs and stuff
[23:34] <engineer> awag that bastard
[23:35] <shane__> it is 695 mb and wont go on a 4.7gb
[23:35] <awag> engineer: yes :)
[23:35] <shane__> Odd-rationale: it is 695 mb and wont go on a 4.7gb
[23:35] <Colonel_Panic> whenever I try to watch YouTube videos or any other Flash-enabled content, the first few seconds will play and then it stops
[23:35] <Odd-rationale> shane__: that is strange, i have burned a 800 mb file to a dvd...
[23:35] <Odd-rationale> with k3b.
[23:35] <Colonel_Panic> I noticed that Firefox was upgraded to version 3
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> is this a special issue with FF or should I reinstall the Flash plugin?
[23:36] <engineer> Colonel_Panic fx3 is in the repositories a while back
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> fx3?
[23:36] <engineer> reinstall it
[23:36] <engineer> yes, fox 3
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> reinstall Firefox?
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> OK
[23:36] <shane__> Odd-rationale: i know thats where im gettin frustrated i had this also with one of the burns in micro
[23:36] <engineer> no
[23:36] <engineer> reinstall flash
[23:36] <engineer> no fox
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> oh ok
[23:37] <engineer> not*
[23:37] <Colonel_Panic> what's the name of the package?
[23:37] <Colonel_Panic> sudo apt-get install flash?
[23:37] <engineer> sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree
[23:38] <engineer> i think this is the one
[23:38] <Colonel_Panic> ok thx will try
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> Reading package lists... Done
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> Building dependency tree
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> Reading state information... Done
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> E: Couldn't find package flash-nonfree
[23:39] <BluesKaj> !flash | Colonel_Panic
[23:39] <engineer> flashplugin-nonfree
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> ok thx
[23:39] <BluesKaj> flashplugin-nonfree
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic>
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> hymmm...
[23:40] <engineer> sudo apt-get install reinstall
[23:41] <Colonel_Panic> yeah it says that's not a valid operation
[23:41] <engineer> --reinstall
[23:41] <Neuer> Hello. I have a probleme with my Sound. I'm useing Hardy Kubuntu and the soundchip is SI7012. The probleme is, no sound works, but if I start amarok it does for that, though I cann't let 2 programms run at the same time
[23:41] <engineer> man apt-get
[23:41] <engineer> ffs
[23:42] <engineer> Neuer you need arts
[23:42] <sima> kooo
[23:43] <BluesKaj> Neuer, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[23:44] <Neuer> It is activated.
[23:44] <BluesKaj> Neuer, then in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM, Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'
[23:45] <Neuer> Is
[23:45] <BluesKaj> ok try , sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart in the terminal
[23:46] <Neuer> I guess the probs is with my TV-Card. I had a similar prob with feisty but got that fixed. Under Hardy somehow the steps have no effect.
[23:46] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[23:46] <BluesKaj> Neuer, I have to ask the obvious , do you have the ctrls in alsamixer up to 71% or so ?
[23:47] <sm7xab> Hi! I've been trying to get an NVidia card working with NVidia binary drivers on Kubuntu 8.04. This seems to be an impossible task on this distribution. Does anyone have a link or so with good documentation?
[23:47] <BluesKaj> !nVidia
[23:48] <Neuer> if you meen the volume settings, nop up to 100
[23:49] <BluesKaj> Neuer,don't go over 71% ...you'll just overdrive the amp inputs
[23:49] <BluesKaj> Neuer, open kmix and enable Master & PCM on the output tab , then CD & IEC playback (if listed) in the Input tab , next make sure Mix & IEC958 are enabled in the Switches tab , then click on Settings/Configure Kmix and apply
[23:49] <vom> hi all, does anyone know anything about windows moving to different workspaces on their own accord in hardy (i.e. firefox when link is clicked in akregator)
[23:50] <vom> ive looked at launchpad and kubuntu/ubuntu forums and only found one message (without an answer)
[23:51] <BluesKaj> vom, could you explain more clearly ....what "exactly' is happening ?
[23:52] <vom> BluesKaj: yes, lets say firefox is open in workspace 2, and akregator in workspace 3 (i have 6 in the pager)
[23:52] <vom> when i click on a link in akregator, it opens in firefox
[23:52] <Neuer> doesn't work
[23:53] <vom> BUT firefox moves from ws 2 to 3 (follows akregator)
[23:53] <vom> this happens with kopete too
[23:53] <BluesKaj> that's cuz you have FF as the default browser globally
[23:54] <vom> BluesKaj: indeed i do
[23:54] <vom> but still why is it changing desktops and not staying put ?
[23:54] <vom> this didnt happen in < hardy
[23:55] <vom> should i change the default browser back to default and hardcode it in akregator ?
[23:55] <BluesKaj> beyond me vom , sorry ...don't use several desktops
[23:55] <vom> BluesKaj: thanks anyway
[23:56] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok how about this i used it as new data dvd will this play in the dvd player now
[23:56] <vom> hmm hardcoding it makes it not move anymore
[23:56] <vom> now to beat on kopete
[23:57] <gokorn> how to upgrade from 3.5 to 4.1 kde?
[23:57] <BluesKaj> Neuer, you could try installing libk3b2-mp3 and libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:58] <caryjebus>  is there a progam for mounting ISOS in linux
[23:58] <sm7xab> Is there a way to disable the start X in safe mode thingy? I prefer to get a nice black console if X doesn't start. Easier to handle.