[03:28] <nalioth> needsomehelp: what system specs?
[03:28] <sproingie> the space fighter combat game is just dead.  too bad, i rather liked that genre
[03:28] <needsomehelp> p4 2.8ghz with 1gig ram
[03:28] <Aegir^> sproingie, Me too. Freelancer was the last decent sci-fi game. And it used mouse-keyboard
[03:29] <sproingie> freespace2 just gave you a real sense of dread in some of the missions, you're saying "holy crap, that thing is BIG"
[03:29] <nalioth> needsomehelp: you should be over the halfway point
[03:29] <Aegir^> I want more sci-fi games...
[03:29] <Aegir^> :'(
[03:29] <needsomehelp> well so its not minutes like some guides state
[03:29] <needsomehelp> its actually hours
[03:30] <G|immer> good night guys.
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, how will linux treat me if I make a fat32 /home partition?
[03:30] <nalioth> needsomehelp: yes it is
[03:30] <Aegir^> tiglionabbit, Well, it shouldnt physically gobble you up and eat you. It may murder your pets though =/
[03:30] <nalioth> needsomehelp: took me over 6 hours just to rip/encode 1 chapter off a dvd on my G4 ibook
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> Aegir^: but I love my pets
[03:30] <needsomehelp> ok
[03:30] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: it will hate you forever and call you in the middle of the night and hang up just to freak you out
[03:31] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you'll have no ext filesystem goodness
[03:31] <othernoob> nalioth but 6 hours sound a bit long
[03:31] <virgule> crap startmol keep telling me there is no kernel modules - I just followed instructions on the wiki :(
[03:31] <needsomehelp> something kinda tells me its not worth it :)
[03:31] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: you'll have no permissions.  you'll have everything owned by one user, usually root
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: what goodness is that?  I already expect that it will forget the rwx status of my files...
[03:31] <nalioth> othernoob: is it still an active process?
[03:31] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: and no journaling
[03:31] <sproingie> and it'll be slow
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: can I make it owned by all users?
[03:31] <aserpe> hi.
[03:32] <sproingie> and it'll smell funny
[03:32] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: yes, you can set the umask to 000 and make everything world-writable
[03:32] <othernoob> nalioth: i'm not ripping and encoding anymore, but even on my old computer it didn't take 6 hours.
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> woo, voltaire
[03:32] <aserpe> I'm having a problem installing phpBB from Synaptic Package Manager
[03:32] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: this would be "not recommended"
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: hmm, yes
[03:32] <GigaClon> my RealPlayer is broken
[03:32] <aserpe> can anyone help me?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> can I make it so only desktop users can use it?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> I mean users with desktop accounts, rather than basic ones
[03:32] <GigaClon> I installed it but everytime I run it nothing happends
[03:33] <nalioth> othernoob: i dont know, i've only ripped a chapter from a dvd (and it took over 6 hours on my G4 ibook)
[03:33] <GigaClon> but the process is still there
[03:33] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: not really.  you can use a group if you want
[03:33] <othernoob> nalioth: it used to take me about 4-5 hours on an amd1333 with 512mb ram for a dvd to divx/xvid
[03:33] <aserpe> Where does the phpbb package install?
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> GigaClon: try using xine or mplayer instead
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> GigaClon: you can get w32codecs from hoary-extras
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[03:33] <ubotu> hmm... sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[03:33] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i'd only use fat32 for interchange, like when you have to have dvd images shared between both OS's
[03:33] <nalioth> othernoob: well my G4 ibook is well under that
[03:33] <needsomehelp> is there any methood faster?
[03:34] <needsomehelp> or is this abut it
[03:34] <nalioth> sproingie: keep the fat32 filesize limit in mind
[03:34] <bob2> aserpe: "dpkg -L phbb" will show you where the files went
[03:34] <sproingie> nalioth: oh yeah.  cd images only i guess
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: thing is, I only have 80 gigs on this laptop, and I wanted to install several OSs alongside windows...  but...  where would I put windows' stuff?  It's fat32, but I want to cut down on the space it has all to itself
[03:34] <aserpe> thanks bob2
[03:34] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: dump windows
[03:35] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: linux can read ntfs.  it's just writing it has problems with
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: but it's tabletPC edition, and it has some neat ink features linux can't do
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: I know about that.  I'm happy with keeping my windows stuff fat32 though
[03:35] <wolki> hi!
[03:36] <GigaClon> what is the fat32 filesize limit?
[03:36] <maggotbrain> sproingie: you can use explore2fs on your win OS. it can read ext2 ext3 partitions.
[03:36] <aserpe> bob2: It looks like it put everything into /usr/share ... but isn't the web server in /var/www???
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> size limit?
[03:36] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i guess if it works for you.  anyway, i wouldn't recommend putting /home on fat32.  you can always mount the windows partition in a different dir
[03:36] <othernoob> 4 gb i think GigaClon
[03:36] <maggotbrain> that is if you don't need to write to the partition from windows
[03:36] <bob2> aserpe: it will have symlinked it to apache's root, or have addeda config file to apache
[03:36] <sproingie> maggotbrain: there's that, tho i thought there was an actual ext2 fs driver for nt once?
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> I want to write to the partition from windows
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> and linux
[03:37] <maggotbrain> haven't come across one, lately
[03:37] <aserpe> bob2: how do I find it using my browser then?  Where can I find the location for the www.domain.com/foo?
[03:37] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: nothing stops you fom having a fat32 partition somewhere.  i just wouldn't make it /home, that's all
[03:38] <bob2> aserpe: look at the list of files it printed...is there one in /etc/?
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> hm.  I want the advantages that come from having a /home partition, and being able to use it as one place for all my documentsn
[03:38] <bob2> /home/ on fat32 will be bad.  e.g. ssh and gpg will cry.
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> I've got a lot of doodles to organize
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> what would ssh and gpg care about?
[03:38] <aserpe> bob2: yes, several... but I assume you mean /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf?
[03:38] <bob2> file permissions
[03:39] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: security
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> for what reason?  It's just /home, not /
[03:39] <bob2> just have /home/ on ext3 or something, and symlink a from /home/you/data/ to /media/bigfat32drive/
[03:39] <bob2> tiglionabbit: e.g. it makes my private key not be readable to random other people on the machine
[03:39] <sproingie> i guess if you're dead set on it being /home
[03:39] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i have my OSX partition symlinked into my /home
[03:39] <sproingie> just keep in mind that your ~/.ssh dir will have no protections
[03:39] <derekvance> i got a usb headset, is it compatible? if so, how do i make it work?
[03:39] <sproingie> in fact ssh will refuse to use any of your keys
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> well yeah guys, I have a link in my linux home dir to my windows documents, but still, I want a documents area I can write to by both OSs
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> not just linux
[03:40] <bob2> derekvance: what happens when you plug it in?
[03:40] <bob2> tiglionabbit: so, put your documents on a fat32 partition, easy
[03:40] <derekvance> the status light but no sound
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> bob2: then what's the point of having a home partition?
[03:40] <bob2> derekvance: there won't be any sound automatically
[03:40] <derekvance> yes
[03:41] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: /home is not "my documents readable to the world".  see my note about ssh
[03:41] <bob2> tiglionabbit: huh?  to put user data on, in a way that won't let them overflow / and can be saved over reinstalls of /.
[03:41] <derekvance> is there a way to config it or any apps i can get for it?
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> bob2: You think I should make a home partition that's 100 bytes with just a link to windows or something?  lol
[03:41] <bob2> tiglionabbit: /home/ is for "user data", not for "globally readable porn .avis"
[03:41] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: so your whole family can have their own personal computer all in one box
[03:41] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i don't know why you're dead set about having it in /home and not, say, /docs
[03:42] <sproingie> but i've said my piece
[03:42] <bob2> tiglionabbit: of course not, read what I said again.  put all your normal stuff (e.g. gnome config, ssh, etc) on /home/you/, and put your documents you want to share in /home/you/data/.
[03:42] <tiglionabbit>   /docs ?
[03:42] <aserpe> bob2:  There's a line here that says "Alias /phpbb /usr/share/phpbb2/site"  Does that mean www.domain.com/phpbb/ is the forum?  and if I want to change it to something like www.domain.com/forum/ that I change that first part of the aliase?
[03:42] <spermie_411> be a valid cursor theme archive.
[03:42] <spermie_411> spermie_411 spermie_411 i get that when trying to install a new mouse theme
[03:42] <bob2> aserpe: yes and yes
[03:42] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: make a subdirectory in your /home to symlink /dev/tigs_windows_partition  to
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I guess that's a good idea
[03:42] <bob2> derekvance: I'd assume you'd have to do a fair amount of fiddling
[03:42] <spermie_411> spermie_411 spermie_411 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2  <~~ thats what it is
[03:42] <aserpe> bob2: thank you, kudos
[03:42] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: you're aware you can mount any partition to any directory, no?
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: yes
[03:42] <phzi> anyone have experience with .asoundrc configuration for use with multiple cards (duplicate stereo)?
[03:42] <phzi> I am trying to get the same stereo output to play across several hardware outputs (3 to be exact)
[03:43] <bob2> phzi: try #alsa or so
[03:43] <phzi> I have
[03:43] <sproingie> mkdir /docs; mount -t fat32  /dev/<whatever> /docs
[03:43] <phzi> bob2: it didn't do me any good
[03:43] <bungopolis> I've manually installed a deb -- it's an older version of the one in the ubuntu repository (but has a feature which is not available in ubuntu's due to licensing),  how can I prevent apt from thinking I need to upgrade to their version?
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> see the thing is, I was thinking of installing gentoo as well, and I thought it would be good to have a central home, instead of 3
[03:43] <bob2> phzi: then try asking on their mailing list
[03:43] <bob2> bungopolis: /msg ubotu hold
[03:43] <derekvance> okey doke well i dont care
[03:44] <bob2> bungopolis: note that aptitude and synaptic will ignore that
[03:44] <bob2> tiglionabbit: that is not incompatible with what anyone has said so far
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> this would probably really screw me up when I download source code and try to 'make' it..  wont it
[03:44] <bob2> tiglionabbit: except that in practice it will probably break
[03:44] <bungopolis> bob2: ubotu: No idea, bungopolis
[03:44] <sproingie> that's my recommended best practice.  i won't waste any more time suggesting or defending it
[03:44] <bob2> tiglionabbit: no, it has nothing to do with that
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> bob2: what then?
[03:45] <aserpe> bob2: I must have missed something... I can't access the phpbb from http://localhost/phpbb
[03:45] <calamari> hi
[03:45] <bob2> bungopolis: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[03:45] <derekvance> i'm bored anyways
[03:45] <bob2> aserpe: ok
[03:45] <aserpe> bob2: do I need to make the links myself?
[03:45] <derekvance> so off to work
[03:45] <bob2> tiglionabbit: what then what?
[03:45] <bob2> aserpe: no
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> bob2: what were you about to say would break things?
[03:45] <pepsix> heh, whats up with not having a Run menu item in the gnome menu and not having a Terminal menu item when you right click on the desktop?  in breezy btw.. yes i know dont use breezy, yes i know its unsupported, no i dont expect it to be fixed any time soon.. just wondering if anyone knows whats up with it
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> pepsix: there is a Run item
[03:46] <bob2> tiglionabbit: sharing /home between random versions of random distros.  gnome 2.2 will be very unhappy if it finds your ubuntu gnome 2.10 settings
[03:46] <wolki> i need to install a newer version of gtk-sharp. can i just compile andinstall it, or do i have to remove the ubuntu version first?
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> pepsix: and there is a terminal menu item
[03:46] <bob2> aserpe: in what sense does it not work?
[03:46] <teferi_> pepsix: i have breezy, and i have both of those things. sorry.
[03:46] <derekvance> notin, o well
[03:46] <mortarhate> can only one app use the soundcard at a time or something?
[03:46] <calamari> I have a switch on my local network at <IP_ADDRESS>.. I've done ifconfig eth0 dhcp netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up, but I don't seem to be getting an ip address from the router (anther machine is).  I'm thinking I need to do a route add command, but I'm not sure.  Any ideas?
[03:46] <aserpe> in firefox, going to http://localhost/phpbb/ doesn't show a page.
[03:47] <pepsix> interesting
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> bob2: oooh.  So maybe multiple distros with the same home is a bad idea
[03:47] <bob2> mortarhate: in some sense, yes
[03:47] <mortarhate> haha
[03:47] <bob2> tiglionabbit: depends what you're doing
[03:47] <mortarhate> isn't that a little retarded
[03:47] <pepsix> both of my breezy installs lack those things
[03:47] <bob2> calamari: switches don't have ips
[03:47] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: better idea is a bigger hard drive
[03:47] <calamari> bob2: router, with built in switch.. sorry :)
[03:47] <mortarhate> when im listening to music all other sound stops, then the second the music stops all the sound that would of played when the music is going, plays all at once
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: it's a laptop, so that's not an option
[03:47] <aserpe> bob2: The requested URL /phpbb/ was not found on this server.
[03:47] <sproingie> calamari: you don't need to specify a netmask for dhcp, it's automatic
[03:47] <bob2> mortarhate: so, get all your apps to use esd
[03:48] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: sure it is, hitachi just released 100gb models
[03:48] <mortarhate> esd?
[03:48] <bob2> aserpe: perhaps you need to configure apache2 to know about it then
[03:48] <calamari> sproingie: I tried it both ways actually
[03:48] <mortarhate> this is going to be a pain int he ass isn't it
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: unless I wanted to buy the one you plug in where the cdrom drive goes, but uh...
[03:48] <bob2> calamari: I'm pretty sure ifconfig has no knowledge of dhcp
[03:48] <aserpe> bob2:  more looking in etc?
[03:48] <sproingie> calamari: i always put it in /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup and ifdown
[03:48] <bob2> calamari: just setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly
[03:49] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i replaced the HD in this ibook
[03:49] <wolki> mortathate: it depends
[03:49] <crouton> howdy folks
[03:49] <calamari> woo that file is complicated
[03:49] <nybble> yo
[03:49] <wolki> what apps do you have that use sound?
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: hmm, maybe I do want a /docs partition...
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> I don't want my config files getting confused
[03:49] <nybble> naalioth: so i guess there isnt a point in upgrading...
[03:49] <mortarhate> kopete, mplayer
[03:49] <sproingie> the lightbulb lights
[03:49] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: very wise
[03:49] <mortarhate> thats usually the most i run
[03:49] <mortarhate> (that need sound)
[03:49] <wolki> mortarhate, kde or gnome?
[03:49] <mortarhate> kde
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: any problem with making my /docs partition fat32 then?
[03:50] <mortarhate> kubuntu ;)
[03:50] <nalioth> nybble: discussion is good
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: and does anything automount one of those anywhere?
[03:50] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: it's the only thing that both OS's will read and write painlessly
[03:50] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: that sounds like a plan
[03:50] <crouton> anybody know the syntax to mount a filesystem without error checking?
[03:50] <wolki> mortarhate, then it's arts instead of esd
[03:50] <wolki> kopete should do this automatically
[03:50] <mortarhate> well why doesn't it let several apps use the sound card at once?
[03:50] <wolki> you might have to activate sound server in your kde settings
[03:50] <sproingie> calamari: it's not.  mine was set up when i installed, and i bet gnome has a configurator for it
[03:50] <bob2> crouton: depends what you mean by "without error checking"
[03:51] <mortarhate> gay /:
[03:51] <bob2> crouton: if you mean "without having the kernel notice that the filesystem is screwed", then, no, that's a terrible idea
[03:51] <crouton> bob2: Got an ext3 filesystem complaining about bad superblocks, can't get around it.
[03:51] <sproingie> calamari: creating a dhcp enabled interface by hand is super easy, it's even documented right in the comments in /etc/network/interface
[03:51] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you can add it to your fstab
[03:51] <aserpe> bob2: is /var/www where you should be putting files in ubuntu for web serving?
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: alright
[03:51] <wolki> and in the programs you have to set sound output to arts
[03:51] <bob2> crouton: fsck it
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: was just wondering if linux had a place to put it already, so I didn't double-mount things
[03:51] <crouton> bob2:  fails.
[03:52] <wolki> normal alsa can't have multiple sound on all sound cards
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> thank you guys
[03:52] <bob2> crouton: you're pretty screwed then, unfortuantely
[03:52] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: /etc/fstab is where you put "permanent" mounts
[03:52] <bob2> aserpe: yes, but you don't want to put phpbb there
[03:52] <calamari> sproingie: the gnome configurator makes my ppp0 stop working
[03:52] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: nope, its all you
[03:52] <crouton> bob2: if I dd the drive to another drive, can I recover from that image?
[03:52] <wolki> a sound server goes between the apps and the card and distributes ist so that you can have multiple cards at once
[03:52] <bob2> crouton: I'd be surprised if that helps
[03:53] <bob2> crouton: it sounds like, in addition to whatever physical problems the drive has, it has already trashed some crucial bits of the filesystem
[03:53] <sproingie> calamari: huh.  sucks ... dunno, i use kde and only one interface, so i'm about as far removed as you can get from your setup
[03:53] <wolki> i use gnome so i can't gibe you a step by step explanation, but it should be really easy
[03:53] <mortarhate> thats ok
[03:53] <aserpe> bob2: do you think restarting apache would help?  I used the synaptic conf-mysql to configure phpbb and maybe apache needs a restart to see the links?
[03:53] <mortarhate> i'm willing to live with it
[03:53] <calamari> sproingie: thats okay, thanks for your help :)
[03:53] <mortarhate> this is the least of my problems as of now
[03:53] <mortarhate> linux is a pain in the ass
[03:54] <mortarhate> im suprised people actually get work done on it
[03:54] <bob2> aserpe: maybe
[03:54] <mortarhate> configuring, editing, recompiling, etc
[03:54] <wolki> mortarhate, dont worry you should get it to work. open your kde control panel
[03:54] <mortarhate> i already did
[03:54] <wolki> then the sound part of it
[03:54] <mortarhate> the only sound stuff in there says "enable sound system"
[03:54] <wolki> exactly
[03:54] <mortarhate> and network sound... etc.
[03:54] <sproingie> mortarhate: no one actually gets work done, see..
[03:54] <wolki> enable it
[03:54] <aserpe> bob2: what command would restart apache?
[03:54] <mortarhate> well that was already activated
[03:55] <bob2> aserpe: sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
[03:55] <mortarhate> how else would i have any sound
[03:55] <wolki> ok
[03:55] <wolki> you would
[03:55] <mortarhate> right now i'm listening to a song, so all other noise is halted
[03:55] <mortarhate> the second my song stops
[03:55] <sproingie> terrible secret, i'd probably use windows more for devel if the filesystem werent so awful
[03:55] <mortarhate> everything from kopete plays
[03:55] <wolki> then open mplayer
[03:55] <mortarhate> heh
[03:55] <wolki> open preferences
[03:55] <sproingie> that and i hate not being able to drag windows with alt-LMB
[03:55] <wolki> goto sound
[03:55] <mortarhate> mplayer-nogui ;)
[03:55] <aserpe> bob2: no joy
[03:55] <nalioth> !info make-jpkg
[03:55] <wolki> oh
[03:55] <crouton> bob2: power failure.  i think the files might still be there.
[03:55] <mortarhate> nm
[03:55] <mortarhate> it's no big deal
[03:55] <kbrooks> sproingie, explain what you mean by the fs in windows
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: what would you need from windows for development?
[03:56] <sproingie> kbrooks: dreadfully awfully slow
[03:56] <wolki> well, do you have a kde media player installed, like juk or noatun?
[03:56] <mortarhate> yea
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: isn't it enough to have emacs, vim, and gcc ?
[03:56] <kbrooks> sproingie, slow?!?
[03:56] <bob2> crouton: then you'll need to convince fsck to unscrew it
[03:56] <The_Vox> mortarhate: edit ~/.mplayer/options and change the ao to arts if you are in kde
[03:56] <bluefoxicy> fuckin breezy
[03:56] <mortarhate> but i like to bee 1337 and use the cli ;D
[03:56] <bob2> crouton: try telling it to use an alternate superblock
[03:56] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy, /topic
[03:56] <kbrooks> !topic
[03:56] <mortarhate> hehe
[03:56] <kbrooks> oh
[03:56] <bob2> bluefoxicy: code of conduct, please
[03:56] <wolki> try playing your song in one of them, since they're kde the should default to using arts
[03:56] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i have a full toolchain on windows, as well as bash.  it's glacially slow compared to the same on linux
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> toolchain?
[03:57] <SDFH_Linux> how stable is breezy?
[03:57] <aserpe> bob2: I'm befuddled
[03:57] <kbrooks> sproingie, 'glacially'?
[03:57] <mortarhate> it doesnt matter that much
[03:57] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: toolchain: all the stuff needed for development
[03:57] <crouton> bob2: already tried, they're all invalid.
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  I wouldn't recommend using breezy unless you're ready for breakage.
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: oh, the unix base
[03:57] <SDFH_Linux> k
[03:57] <bob2> crouton: time to get your backups out, I guess, unfortunately
[03:58] <SDFH_Linux> is there any other repos for ubuntu
[03:58] <sproingie> kbrooks: rmdir /s/q a big directory in windows.  now rm -rf in unix.  windows will be grinding away 10 minutes later
[03:58] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: it's best to just use the ubuntu repositories
[03:58] <SDFH_Linux> other than the ones that you can uncomment
[03:58] <nalioth> SDFH_Linux: if you have an extra box around, put breezy on THAT one
[03:58] <dylan_> how to install java without using the .BIN file from java.com?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  Though it seems to work mostly now, unlike last month when it broke in several places each day.  I'm still trying to get hal (insert USB stick, it gets mounted) to work right. . .
[03:58] <sproingie> and i'm even being charitable to windows.  use the gui to do it and you bring the box to its knees
[03:58] <bungopolis> i am using gconf-editor -- I've found a directory I want to delete, how can I do it?
[03:58] <bob2> dylan_: why are you opposed to using it?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  I'm expecting it to break horridly again one of these days though :)
[03:58] <aserpe> bob2: am I supposed to put the apache.conf from /etc/phpbb2 into /etc/apache2?
[03:58] <nalioth> your welcome, dylan_
[03:58] <dylan_> i cant figure it out.
[03:58] <bob2> aserpe: dont think so
[03:58] <SDFH_Linux> yikes i stay away from breezy then
[03:59] <SDFH_Linux> for now
[03:59] <dylan_> nalioth, got kicked off #apple
[03:59] <bob2> "you're"
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  Yaeh, use hoary :)  When breezy gets released in october it'll own.
[03:59] <nalioth> dylan_: ok
[03:59] <SDFH_Linux> i put hoary on my laptop after having debian on there
[03:59] <SDFH_Linux> so far so good
[03:59] <crouton> bob2: unfortunately, this disk *was* the backup.  source disk was a deathstar.
[04:00] <SDFH_Linux> so guys just use the ubuntu repos then
[04:00] <bob2> aserpe: I'd just add the alias line to apache2.conf, I suppose
[04:00] <bob2> crouton: ouch
[04:00] <tkiesel> Hi everyone. Is Firefox not in the official repos anymore?
[04:00] <hanasaki> hi all. is there a console mouse driver like gpm?
[04:00] <tim_> hello
[04:00] <aserpe> bob2:  so I have this file called /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf
[04:00] <aserpe> bob2: line where?
[04:00] <dylan_> i read the instructions on java.com for installing it and at the last instruction to type ls i get nothing
[04:01] <tim_> anyone can help me with installing packages?
[04:01] <bob2> aserpe: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:01] <bob2> hanasaki: yes, gpm.
[04:01] <hanasaki> hmmm
[04:01] <aserpe> bob2: ok, I'll try.
[04:01] <bob2> dylan_: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java, use the make-jpkg one
[04:01] <bungopolis> I want to remove the settings of a program in my gconf -- I tried deleting ~/.gconf/apps/<prog> but I still see the entry in gconf-editor
[04:01] <bonggnu> hi
[04:02] <tkiesel> I'm trying to re-install Firefox with apt-get and not having much luck
[04:02] <hanasaki> bob2,  not in apt-get or cache or apt-get install gpm .. i am on hoary.
[04:02] <kbrooks> tkiesel, warty?
[04:02] <tkiesel> kbrooks: Hoary
[04:02] <dylan_> ok thanks bob2 and nalioth
[04:02] <bob2> hanasaki: well, it's available, perhaps you forgot to enable universe?
[04:02] <bob2> bungopolis: I don't think that's going to do anything useful
[04:02] <GigaClon> tim_ !synaptic
[04:02] <hanasaki> bob2,  i am new.. bet you are correct.. what is universe and how do i enable it?
[04:02] <bonggnu> anyone has S3 unichrome video chipset?
[04:02] <bob2> hanasaki: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <GigaClon> !repositories
[04:02] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:02] <hanasaki> <= trying ubuntu.. i am a deb guy.. for now
[04:03] <dylan_> ok wiki.ubuntu.com/java does not work
[04:03] <aserpe> bob2: Let me be clear.  Add the line "Alias /phpbb /usr/share/phpbb2/site" to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:03] <bob2> bonggnu: lots of people do, it's kinda nasty, and I don't believe there's DRI support in stock ubuntu
[04:03] <bob2> dylan_: it works for lots of people, though
[04:03] <bob2> aserpe: yes
[04:03] <nalioth> dylan_: you'll need to follow the dog
[04:03] <bob2> aserpe: assuming you have php working in general
[04:03] <tim_> how do i make the text bigger in this chat window i can barely read it?
[04:03] <SDFH_Linux> is it safe to use firefox 1.0.4 i am running 1.0.2 right now
[04:03] <bonggnu> ok, thnks
[04:03] <tkiesel> kbrooks: Coudl you see if you could do an sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox
[04:03] <aserpe> bob2: php is working
[04:03] <kbrooks> SDFH_Linux, warty?
[04:04] <bob2> tkiesel: the package is mozilla-firefox
[04:04] <tkiesel> It tells me that mozilla-firefox cannot be downloaded.
[04:04] <dylan_> ok bob2 it was just not upper case J in Java
[04:04] <bob2> dylan_: yes
[04:04] <tkiesel> bob2: You're right. Typo on my part.
[04:04] <kbrooks> SDFH_Linux, don't worry -- 1.0.4 has security fixes
[04:04] <SDFH_Linux> there is a selection for firefox 1.04 in hoary
[04:04] <bungopolis> bob2 -- I dont understand how to edit the gconf registry -- why cant I delete directories?
[04:04] <tkiesel> bob2: Says that mozilla-firefox cannot be downloaded.
[04:04] <bob2> bungopolis: why can't I insert nails into my ears?
[04:04] <SDFH_Linux> latest stable kernel is 2.6.10 -686
[04:04] <SDFH_Linux> right?
[04:04] <bungopolis> what the hell does that mean?
[04:04] <bob2> bungopolis: that's not how it works.  just use gnome-editor
[04:05] <bob2> er, gconf-editor.
[04:05] <bungopolis> I am using gconf-editor
[04:05] <kbrooks> bungopolis, Non-empty directories can't be deleted without rm -rf
[04:05] <bungopolis> that's what I'm talking about
[04:05] <bob2> tkiesel: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:05] <bungopolis> i know how to delete directories, kbrooks, I dont understand how GNOME works
[04:05] <bungopolis> gconf-editor does not let you delete keys or directories
[04:05] <dylan_> how do i add the ubuntu.tower-net.de repository
[04:05] <bungopolis> it only allows you to "unset" certain keys
[04:05] <bonggnu> i have troubles with cd record, ubuntu, use ide-cd o ide-scsi ? i have problems cdrecord error 255
[04:05] <nalioth> dylan_: same way you added the others
[04:06] <bob2> bonggnu: ide-cd
[04:06] <bob2> bungopolis: some keys don't have defaults
[04:06] <aserpe> bob2: yah!  working.  Kudos again!
[04:06] <hanasaki> hmm universe is community maintained.. is that safe?
[04:06] <pepsix> of course not
[04:06] <kbrooks> it is
[04:07] <hanasaki> nice guys.. thanks.. lol  which is it
[04:07] <sproingie> the core distro's created by a community too.  it just gets extra work by the folks at canonical
[04:07] <pepsix> :)
[04:07] <kbrooks> it is safe
[04:07] <nalioth> kbrooks: ping
[04:07] <hanasaki> pepsix,  driving off new users? someone kick him
[04:07] <tkiesel> bob2: There you go.
[04:07] <bungopolis> bob2 -- I installed an application (mail-notification), and have now removed it as I don't want it. When I look, with gconf-editor, at my gnome registry, I can see two directories /apps/mail-notification and /schemas/apps/mail-notification which I want to remove, becuase I dont want to have any settings defined for this application I no longer have
[04:07] <pepsix> eat my ass hanasaki
[04:07] <hanasaki> lol
[04:07] <kbrooks> pong
[04:07] <tkiesel> Same deal on two different Hoary boxes I use.
[04:07] <hanasaki> fight fight
[04:08] <bungopolis> bob2 it reminds me of windows -- programs settings seem to drift around forever
[04:08] <bungopolis> cluttering up my configuration
[04:08] <kbrooks> nalioth, uh. hanasaki is asking if universe is safe
[04:09] <kbrooks> pepsix, is saying no
[04:09] <kbrooks> i say yes
[04:09] <nalioth> hanasaki: yes universe is safe
[04:09] <hanasaki> nalioth,  u a maintainer?
[04:09] <hanasaki> nalioth,  pepsix  also offered me a dirty snack
[04:09] <pepsix> how is it safe?
[04:09] <bob2> bungopolis: that seems fairly silly
[04:09] <kbrooks> hanasaki, no, but he knows a lot about ubuntu
[04:09] <nalioth> hanasaki: don't use marillat, they are very out of date
[04:09] <bungopolis> bob2: why?
[04:09] <Wa77z> i installed xmmms, and made it default plaer for my mp3's but yet it isnt
[04:10] <pepsix> is there a security team checking every single line of code submitted to universe?
[04:10] <nalioth> hanasaki: so i saw, and he didnt offer any to the rest of us
[04:10] <sproingie> pepsix: is there one for main?
[04:10] <bob2> bungopolis: meh, the "like windows" things annoys me.  if you really want to remove it, go ask on the gconf list.  or just ignore it.
[04:10] <pepsix> doubt it
[04:10] <bob2> pepsix: of coursee not
[04:10] <bob2> pepsix: there isn't one for any section of any distribution
[04:10] <pepsix> ok
[04:10] <hanasaki> where, in synaptic, is the opotion to actually od the install of what was selected?
[04:11] <hanasaki> ah.. apply
[04:11] <hanasaki> sorry
[04:11] <pepsix> so how is anything safe then? its only as trustworthy as the people working on it
[04:11] <bungopolis> bob2: so you're asserting that it is perfectly logical for applications that no longer exist on a system to retain conifiguration settings indefinitely?
[04:11] <nalioth> pepsix: so use gentoo or linux-from-scratch, where you can examine each line of code
[04:11] <bob2> bungopolis: I'm saying that it's a terribly tiny detail, and that there's no way for gconf to know if an application is installed or not.
[04:11] <bob2> bungopolis: yes there should be a way to get rid of it, and there probably is, I just don't know it.
[04:11] <ReleaseX> anyone here use a  brother printer?
[04:11] <sproingie> nalioth: openbsd might be a more reasonable choice
[04:12] <bob2> tkiesel: do not /msg people
[04:12] <bungopolis> bob2: thanks
[04:12] <bonggnu> when i try to record an cd , cd record cannot /usr/bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '1,0,0'.
[04:12] <hanasaki> how in xorg and ubuntu do i get my 2nd monitor to work?  its a single gforce 5700 w/ two outputs
[04:12] <bob2> using backports is silly, too, but at least you have it commented out
[04:12] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: I do and I just got one for my girlfriend
[04:12] <nalioth> sproingie: well, with gentoo or lfs, he can examine the source b4 he compiles it
[04:12] <bob2> tkiesel: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox'
[04:12] <nalioth> sproingie: i think a little more easily
[04:12] <ReleaseX> bpuccio, which model?
[04:13] <sproingie> nalioth: yeah but can he trust the compiler he's compiling the compiler with?
[04:13] <bob2> tkiesel: bah
[04:13] <bob2> you get to keep both pieces now
[04:13] <nalioth> sproingie: he can if he double blindly compiles his compiler (i think i said that right)
[04:14] <bob2> tkiesel: you're continuing to /msg me, and you're using the "backports" version of firefox
[04:14] <bpuccio> I have the HL-5050 (for some reason there are no settings with respect to the second paper tray, so it just sits there, but I really don't have a use for it) and my girlfriend has a HL-2040
[04:14] <bob2> tkiesel: sudo apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3 0
[04:15] <sproingie> i dont suppose anyone's gotten a xerox workcentre 385 printer working on linux, have they?
[04:15] <bpuccio> when installing the HL-2040, that specific model wasn't listed in the printer setup, so I picked a very similar model, I can tell you which one exactly when she gets home in 10 more minutes, and it works just fine
[04:15] <othernoob> ReleaseX: i have the HL 2030
[04:15] <tkiesel> bob2: Thank you.
[04:15] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: for the most part, they work just fine, no complaints (other then my second paper tray issue, but I must admit I haven't looked in to it really and it doesn't bother me at all)
[04:15] <othernoob> bpuccio: afaik there are official linux drivers for all brother printers.
[04:16] <ReleaseX> bpuccio, othernoob, are either of those network printers?
[04:16] <bpuccio> othernoob: yup, brother even included them on CD, I installed the PPD when setting up mine, but I was too lazy to do so on hers (I guess I'm a horribly boyfriend)
[04:16] <othernoob> ReleaseX: the HL-2030 isn't. neither is the HL-2040, but the HL-2060 is IIRC
[04:16] <Wa77z> i have too many problems, i dont know wher to start
[04:17] <othernoob> bpuccio: brother included the linux drivers on your cd? damn bastards
[04:17] <othernoob> they weren't on mine :/
[04:17] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: mine is, it's sitting on a seperate computer which acts as a file/print server, so the printer in and of itself isn't a network printer, but it is shared over the network, though I don't think that's what you wanted
[04:17] <Strife> does GNOME try to force a gtk look and feel on Java applications, or is that just Debian in general?
[04:17] <abarbaccia_away> hey guys - i need your help with stupid sudo being annoying: it wont let me execute this command as is- i gotta be at a root term first then it'll let me
[04:17] <abarbaccia_away> $  sudo echo "modprobe lirc_i2c" > /etc/init.d/ivtv
[04:17] <kbrooks> no, and no
[04:17] <wolki> Wa77z, start somewhere
[04:18] <bpuccio> othernoob: I was surprised, I only noticed after I downloaded them from their site and was only then looking through the manal and at the CDs, I tend to ignore them on hardware purchases since they are almost always written for windows users only, I was very surprised
[04:18] <Strife> kbrooks: if that was in response to my question, then why is a java app I'm running right now doing a shitty job of looking like a GTK app? :P
[04:18] <Aegir^> Strife, I thought that was just how Java apps looked =/
[04:18] <Wa77z> ok, well first thing is my sound only works with mp3's, and its broken on system sounds
[04:18] <stevenj> Gftp has never been a problem to install before- I am getting "W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gftp/gftp-text_2.0.18-2_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch"   Can someone please help
[04:18] <sproingie> abarbaccia_away: sudo is only running the part before the >
[04:18] <nalioth> !usrepos
[04:18] <ubotu> methinks usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <ReleaseX> well i have the mfc-420cn and it's plugged into my router, just wondering if anyone had any luck getting it to work from their linux box
[04:18] <sproingie> abarbaccia_away: redirect the output to a file in a directory you can write to
[04:18] <Strife> Aegir^: no, they don't look as crappy usually
[04:18] <nalioth> stevenj: read what ubotu said about usrepos
[04:18] <bob2> abarbaccia_away: that's you not using sudo correctly, not a sudo problem.  echo modprobe lirc_i2c | sudo tee -a /etc/init.d/ivtv
[04:19] <othernoob> ReleaseX: have you checked www.linuxprinting.org yet?
[04:19] <Aegir^> Strife, Ahhh :)
[04:19] <bob2> abarbaccia_away: also, shouldn't that module just be loaded in /etc/modules?
[04:19] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: sorry, no, wish I could help you there
[04:19] <hanasaki> how do i get the dual head system to work in ubuntu with a two port gforce card?
[04:19] <Aegir^> Strife, I havent experimented with Java under Ubuntu yet
[04:19] <stevenj> I get the repo list from Ubuntu guide. :(
[04:19] <wolki> Wa77z, what do you mean only works with mp3s? ggonme or kde? which player?
[04:19] <bob2> hanasaki: same as you would any other linux system
[04:19] <Strife> Aegir^: yeah, well Debian does the same thing... I'm really willing to wager it's actually a GNOME thing
[04:19] <hanasaki> bob.. not sure.. do i downlaod and install the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[04:19] <nalioth> stevenj: dont use the ubuntuguide
[04:20] <Strife> I'm going to start up xnest and try it in E17
[04:20] <hanasaki> hmm bob2  i know you from the #debian?
[04:20] <nalioth> stevenj: it can lead you into evil
[04:20] <bob2> stevenj: the "ubuntu guide" has some interesting ideas abotu a default repository set, but thats not the problem here; us.archive.ubuntu.com used to work, but has been a bit flakey for the past few weeks.
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: yes
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <hanasaki> bob2,  ah.. cool.. you switch to ubuntu?
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: no, I use both
[04:20] <hanasaki> ah
[04:21] <abarbaccia_away> bob2, thanks man - i dont know if it will or not
[04:21] <hanasaki> can i ask.. bob2  what do you find as the pro/con for each?
[04:21] <abarbaccia_away> bob2, if i installed it i'm pretty sure it doesnt load them at boot
[04:21] <Wa77z> well, it works with gnome so far, i havent installed kde yet, for example on gaim, if someone IM's me i will hear a little static, and if i go to sounds in my gaim pref., and test sounds, the sounds only work after i hit the button ten times in a row, but if i play a song,(mp3), it will play fine
[04:21] <hondje> http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/bad.jpg <--- what pkg is that from?
[04:21] <sproingie> do you LIKE to load it?
[04:22] <sproingie> i see there's no button for "no, i don't really enjoy it"
[04:22] <wolki> Wa77z, which mp3 player do you use?
[04:22] <bob2> hanasaki: fixed release cycle is good, small arch selection is bad
[04:22] <hondje> gnome settings daemon?
[04:22] <stevenj> so can someone please then tell where to get a good repo list with everything on it Except BP :) thanks
[04:22] <Wa77z> i am using Totem PLaer
[04:22] <goldfish> wolki: bmp
[04:22] <Wa77z> player**
[04:22] <bob2> stevenj: you already have it, /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <bob2> stevenj: that has all the official ubuntu ones
[04:23] <Wa77z> i installed xmms but it dont work as of yet, and yes i made it default
[04:23] <wolki> Wa77z, thats interesting because if it works in totem it should work in gnome
[04:23] <stevenj> bob2, well I usually add unvi and multi-in any case all I have to do is take the us off all of them?
[04:23] <Wa77z> ya -  it should - but it dont = P
[04:23] <wolki> Wa77z, if xmms doesn't work, you have to set it to use esd
[04:23] <cafuego> bob2: HT working ok now, with APCI on :-)
[04:23] <bob2> stevenj: yes
[04:23] <stevenj> bob2, thanks
[04:23] <bob2> cafuego: ah, cool...any faster?
[04:24] <Strife> for anyone who cares... it IS GNOME that's trying to force on a fake GTK-looking theme on java apps
[04:24] <Strife> because it uses the normal look and feel in fluxbox
[04:24] <Wa77z> i dont know how to set it to default -  i thought i did it with one of the commands from the ubuntu guide
[04:24] <wolki> Wa77z, one moment please i'll install xmms so i can help you
[04:24] <aserpe> bob2:  Now that phpbb is installed, I can't log in as phpbb as admin... I can't find where the admin password is stored.  Is there a standard admin password for phpbb?
[04:24] <Wa77z> ok - thanks a lot
[04:24] <bob2> aserpe: I dont use php things, so I don't know, sorry
[04:24] <GigaClon> xmms is broken for me
[04:25] <GigaClon> I presss the play button and it freezes
[04:25] <kbrooks> aserpe, third party?
[04:25] <aserpe> bob2: ok, thanks for all your help before. :-)
[04:25] <GigaClon> rhythmbox works fine
[04:25] <aserpe> kbrooks: no
[04:25] <Velcan> Just looking for opinions here not an answer :D ... Whats everyones favorite music player? And does one exist that can be removed to the systray so that it doesn't have to take up space on my window list ...
[04:25] <wolki> Wa77z, start xmms from the menu or the command line
[04:25] <bob2> GigaClon: open the preferences, change the output plugin to esound
[04:25] <bob2> Velcan: cplay
[04:25] <aserpe> kbrooks: it's phpbb from synaptic package manager
[04:25] <bob2> Velcan: if you don't want it in the window list, just put it in a different virtual desktop
[04:25] <Wa77z> kk, im tryin, my comp is goin really slow
[04:26] <wolki> Wa77z, then - without playing - immediately go to options->preferences
[04:26] <Velcan> yea i suppose so but sys tray would still be nice for easier accesibility
[04:26] <wolki> Wa77z, then in the Output plugin section change OSS to ESD
[04:26] <Wa77z> can you type a command to exit out of an App. Xmms is not responding
[04:26] <aserpe> anyone familiar with the phpbb install for ubuntu?
[04:27] <Wa77z> wolki, h/o p
[04:27] <Velcan> call me trendy but im also looking for something witha  nice look n' feel to it as well
[04:27] <Wa77z> h/o one sec**
[04:27] <wolki> Velcan: try muine
[04:27] <teferi_> hey, everybody congratulate debian, xorg is finally in unstable :)
[04:27] <bob2> aserpe: you read the documentation, right?
[04:27] <Velcan> 'muine' it's called?
[04:27] <nalioth> Velcan: rhythmbox fits your criteria
[04:27] <wolki> Wa77z, Alt-F2, then enter "xkill"
[04:27] <bimberi> Velcan: Rhythmbox works nicely with the Notification Area of the Gnome Panel
[04:27] <aserpe> bob2: can't find it
[04:28] <Wa77z> alright, man , this shouldnt be happneing
[04:28] <bob2> aserpe: er, /usr/share/doc/phpbb/
[04:28] <wolki> Velcan: can be put into the tray only, and has quite a nice, innovative interface
[04:28] <kbrooks> teferi_, no!
[04:28] <teferi_> kbrooks: yes!
[04:28] <teferi_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html
[04:28] <Wa77z> ok, all i have open is xchat
[04:28] <wolki> Velcan: it's library-based though
[04:28] <Wa77z> nvm
[04:29] <aserpe> bob2: THANKS!!!
[04:29] <aserpe> bob2:  I feel like someone just turned on the sun.
[04:29] <Velcan> cool ill check it out
[04:29] <Wa77z> SOB, i think i am gonna have to restart
[04:29] <teferi_> aserpe: in general, if your package is called foo, there will be docs in /usr/share/doc/foo
[04:29] <wolki> Wa77z, then after xkill you get crosshairs as a mouse cursor. click on the window and away it goes
[04:29] <Wa77z> ya it didnt go away
[04:29] <aserpe> yah for ubuntu!!!
[04:29] <wolki> Velcan: it's in universe
[04:29] <GigaClon> is there a way to bypass esd without killing it?
[04:30] <teferi_> esdctl standbymode
[04:30] <Tim_> hello all
[04:30] <teferi_> er
[04:30] <teferi_> esdctl off?
[04:30] <teferi_> man esdctl
[04:30] <Tim_> Anyone here who can help me install accessability package for ubuntu gnome x environment?
[04:31] <GigaClon> is there a way a program could detect esd and turn it off if it was running and turn it on again when the program quit
[04:31] <GigaClon> Tim_ just use synaptic
[04:31] <GigaClon> !synaptic
[04:31] <Velcan> looks like it must have been installed by default
[04:31] <ubotu> [synaptic]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:31] <aserpe> Yah, this is much easier!!!
[04:31] <crouton> general question: is there a way to rewrite filesystem information without overwriting the filesystem entirely?
[04:31] <Tim_> where do I find that in the x enfironment?
[04:32] <kbrooks> Razor-X,
[04:32] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[04:32] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:32] <Velcan> nice
[04:33] <thr1ce> crouton, suppose it depends on which file system you're looking to change to/from
[04:33] <Velcan> anyone know of any websites with a decent listing of radio stations that will work with this option i see in rythymbox
[04:34] <crouton> thr1ce: just want to see if i can overwrite bad superblock info on an ext3 partition.
[04:34] <crouton> without blowing away the files I suspect are still there.
[04:34] <thr1ce> crouton, yikes...maybe creating another ext3, copying those files over, then mkreiserfs the rest?
[04:34] <thr1ce> (which will format of course)
[04:34] <Velcan> and does anyone know if rythymbox is compatible with any of the stations winamp uses?
[04:35] <thr1ce> Velcan, google is your friend :)
[04:35] <crouton> thr1ce: yeah, that's the problem. filesystem can't mount.
[04:35] <Velcan> :)
[04:35] <nalioth> Velcan: yes it plays streams
[04:35] <teferi_> crouton: use the backup superblock, luke
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: there's a backup every 8192 blocks
[04:36] <Tim_> which should I download the amd64 or i386?
[04:36] <Velcan> excelent
[04:36] <Tarcastil> wow, apt-get = happiness
[04:36] <thr1ce> Tim_, what type of processor do you have...
[04:36] <crouton> teferi_: all bad
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: ALL of them?!
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: wtf did you do to your disk?
[04:36] <crouton> teferi_: power outage.
[04:36] <crouton> while mounted.
[04:36] <nalioth_wrkn> Tim_: for usability i recommand x86, if you like to tinker, amd64
[04:36] <thr1ce> shoulda used reiserfs...
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: er, wait, what block size were you using?
[04:36] <Tim_> Uhhh it's ina compaq pressario desktop if that helps any.
[04:37] <teferi_>  For  filesystems  with  1k  blocksizes,  a   backup
[04:37] <teferi_>               superblock  can  be found at block 8193; for filesystems with 2k
[04:37] <teferi_>               blocksizes, at block 16384; and  for  4k  blocksizes,  at  block
[04:37] <teferi_>               32768.
[04:37] <crouton> teferi_: default
[04:37] <thr1ce> Tim_, do you have a 64 bit chip?
[04:37] <Tim_> That I am not sure about.
[04:37] <thr1ce> Tim_, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:37] <thr1ce> wha'ts the...modelname?
[04:37] <teferi_> crouton: hm, default varies with the size of the filesystem
[04:37] <bonggnu> i have troubles with cdrecord, can could be help me?
[04:37] <crouton> "32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200"
[04:38] <teferi_> crouton: well, in the meantime, try at 16384 and 32768.
[04:38] <crouton> those are some of the backup superblocks. all bad.
[04:38] <teferi_> hm
[04:38] <teferi_> you may be hosed
[04:38] <crouton> teferi_: yeah.
[04:39] <teferi_> crouton: well, if you have a lot of patience, look in kernel headers to get the e2fs inode layout and go through your disk with a hex editor
[04:39] <Tim_> AMD Duron
[04:39] <thr1ce> Tim_, ok, use x86
[04:39] <teferi_> crouton: i expect that to be extreme pain
[04:39] <crouton> teferi_: whoa...
[04:39] <Tim_> Ok, now after I download it then how do I install it.
[04:40] <teferi_> crouton: well, got a better idea, with no superblocks left?
[04:40] <teferi_> crouton: humor me and try looking for one at 16384; that's not on the list you tried
[04:40] <crouton> teferi_: praying?
[04:40] <crouton> hmm. says unexpected fileblock size.
[04:40] <thr1ce> Tim_, burn to a CD, boot from it in the cd-rom, follow the instructions
[04:40] <thr1ce> did you test the disc with hdparm ?
[04:40] <teferi_> well, that's different :P
[04:41] <crouton> aye
[04:41] <Tim_> Ok I'm downloading gnopernicus
[04:41] <thr1ce> gnopernicus?
[04:41] <newbie> hi what minimal space to install ubuntu ?? 1 Gb is enough ?
[04:41] <Wa77z> hey yall, I am experienceing a weird mouse problem, to get my mouse to work, ( meaning able to move it) i have to unplug it and plug it back in while my comp is on , any ideas ?
[04:41] <Tim_> Yeah I got ubuntu installed but need to install this for the screen reader package.
[04:41] <thr1ce> newbie, um...i'd say 2 (i seem to remember 1.5)
[04:42] <newbie> 1.5 ?
[04:42] <newbie> i have hd with only 1 Gb
[04:42] <newbie> i think it's enough
[04:42] <Derreck> newbie, Mine's currently using almost 3GB.
[04:42] <thr1ce> newbie, i'm very fresh install...
[04:43] <thr1ce> andrew@home:~$ df -h
[04:43] <thr1ce> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:43] <thr1ce> /dev/hdc6              20G  1.5G   19G   8% /
[04:43] <nickrud> newbie I think only for a server install, and !maybe! a real minimal window manager
[04:43] <Tim_> They are .deb file?
[04:43] <thr1ce> without gnome you might be able to make it
[04:43] <Derreck> /dev/sda1             9.2G  2.7G  6.1G  31% /
[04:43] <newbie> oh what a pity of me :(
[04:44] <nickrud> /dev/hdd2             4.6G  2.3G  2.2G  52%, with home on another partition
[04:44] <Tim_> As you can tell I am a new Linux user with very little experience.
[04:44] <thr1ce> Tim_, everyone's new to something
[04:44] <newbie> in where the bset place to instal grub in hdd0 or hdd1 ?
[04:44] <nickrud> newbie you can probably pick up a 4 gig disk at a flea market for 5 bucks
[04:44] <GigaClon> i have a program that can't use esd for performance reasons, is there way to use somthing else (like ALSA) for sound instead
[04:44] <cafuego> !java
[04:44] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:44] <capi> Anyone have a clue on fixing this error "ping: unknown host google.com"
[04:44] <Tim_> Thanks, what do I do with these 2 files to get this package workng?
[04:45] <newbie> it can be instal grub on hdd1 and detect any my os ?
[04:45] <thr1ce> Tim_, they are deps?
[04:45] <thr1ce> debs* ?
[04:45] <Tim_> yeah debs
[04:45] <thr1ce> read up on dpkg:  man dpkg
[04:46] <nickrud> Tim_ the basic command for installing debs is dpkg -i <package1> <package2>
[04:46] <nickrud> Tim_ with sudo in front of dpkg, of course :)
[04:46] <Tim_> ok but i can do each file one at a time can't i?
[04:47] <Tim_> sudo ?
[04:47] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[04:47] <ubotu> well, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:47] <thr1ce> Tim_, sudo dpkg -i <pack1> <pack2>
[04:47] <thr1ce> will do both at the same time
[04:47] <nickrud> Tim_ if the packages depend on each other, do them together
[04:47] <Tim_> Ok gottcha
[04:47] <thr1ce> sudo is used for temporary super user access
[04:47] <capi> Is there a tool to reconfigure the network back to the way it was after a fresh install?
[04:47] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: to make things easier to understand, instead of -i, say --install.  There's also --remove, and --info
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> capi: there are many components of the network.  I don't think you can find a single command
[04:48] <newbie> hello
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> hello newbie
[04:48] <thr1ce> hi
[04:48] <thr1ce> i install to the MBR
[04:48] <newbie> it can be instal grub on hdd1 and detect any my os ?
[04:49] <nickrud> newbie it will probably work, I've seen it fail in a few odd situations
[04:49] <tiglionabbit> newbie: yes, ubuntu does detect other operating systems
[04:49] <newbie> oh i mean MBR
[04:49] <emacsen> Can anyone else here run gok?
[04:49] <moparfan90> i need help installing java runtime2  .... help me
[04:49] <thr1ce> !java
[04:49] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:49] <bonggnu> !cdrecord
[04:49] <ubotu> bonggnu: Are you smoking crack?
[04:49] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[04:49] <ubotu> [newusers]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[04:49] <bonggnu> not, just cannabis
[04:50] <newbie> oh ic tiglionabbit
[04:50] <bonggnu> !mkisofs
[04:50] <ubotu> bonggnu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:50] <nickrud> newbie just make sure you have a boot disk for your window install, if you don't have one already.
[04:50] <bonggnu> !k3b
[04:50] <ubotu> bonggnu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:50] <newbie> cause my xp in hdd0 and my ubuntu in hdd1
[04:50] <Tim_> Ok so when you say pack1 pack2 ect you are refering to the files that were downloade?
[04:50] <moparfan90> i need help installing "J2SE Runtime Environment"
[04:50] <moparfan90> hep mre
[04:50] <thr1ce> did you install windows first?
[04:50] <newbie> and i instal grub on hdd0
[04:50] <newbie> yes thr1ce
[04:51] <newbie> it can be to instal ubuntu first and after that windows ??
[04:51] <tiglionabbit> newbie: there's no such thing as hdd0.  You mean hd4,0 or hdd1?  (wait, you have 4 hard disks?  I doubt that)
[04:51] <moparfan90> i need help installing "J2SE Runtime Environment"
[04:51] <bimberi> Tim_: gnopernicus is available in the ubuntu repositories - you can download and install it in one action using apt-get - a safer method than downloading DEBs and installing using dpkg
[04:51] <newbie> oh
[04:51] <moparfan90> help me please
[04:51] <nickrud> newbie that's one of the 'odd' situations I've seen :)
[04:51] <gpled> how do i get sound to work in 5.04?
[04:51] <crimsun> gpled: what sound chipset?
[04:51] <thr1ce> linux should always be install after windows...it'll save aLOT of trouble
[04:51] <decaf> moparfan90: install java-package and read its docs
[04:52] <thr1ce> windows likes to overwrite the mbr very casually
[04:52] <moparfan90> ok
[04:52] <newbie> are u sure thr1ce ?
[04:52] <emacsen> anyone else want to try to get/run gok for me please?
[04:52] <tiglionabbit> gpled: it depends on a lot of things.  It's supposed to work by default
[04:52] <bonggnu> burning group is deprecated in ubuntu ?
[04:52] <newbie> it can be ?
[04:52] <thr1ce> newbie, what can be?
[04:52] <newbie> if can i will instal linux first and after that windows
[04:52] <gpled> dmesg reports isapnp: Card 'CS4235 CODEC'
[04:52] <thr1ce> no, windows first, then linux -_-
[04:52] <newbie> cause the mbr on hdd1
[04:52] <nickrud> newbie listen to thr1ce :)
[04:52] <crimsun> gpled: did you sudo modprobe snd_cs4235 ?
[04:53] <newbie> oh
[04:53] <newbie> windows 1st then linux 2 ?
[04:53] <nickrud> yes!
[04:53] <thr1ce> grub should add itself to the mbr just fine, detecting your windows install too, and adding it automatically to the config
[04:53] <crouton> argh
[04:53] <Tim_> That is great how do I get to the repositories?
[04:53] <newbie> ic
[04:53] <thr1ce> Tim_, they are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:53] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[04:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:54] <his> ..
[04:54] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[04:54] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[04:54] <gpled> modprobe snd_cs4235 gets FATAL: Module snd_cs4235 not found.
[04:54] <nickrud> !components
[04:54] <ubotu> it has been said that components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[04:54] <newbie> what about i format my windows u know the grub will be lost and i'cant go back to my linux ?
[04:54] <thr1ce> newbie, ubuntu does a good job setting up grub for you
[04:54] <crimsun> gpled: snd_cs4236
[04:54] <Tim_> Ok now i have another problem when i installed ubuntu it never asked me to set up a password for root so i cant even access root privs?
[04:54] <GigaClon> !esd
[04:54] <ubotu> it has been said that esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[04:54] <crimsun> gpled: is this on a laptop?
[04:54] <nickrud> components explains what you're doing with !repositories
[04:54] <thr1ce> brb
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: that's normal
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[04:55] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:55] <crouton> oooh.  is there a specific set of commands to create an ISO image using dd?
[04:55] <Tim_> so when i type su it asks for a password
[04:55] <nickrud> dd if=/dev/hd? of=image.iso
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: use sudo -s instead of su.  It's your own password
[04:55] <thr1ce> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso
[04:55] <crouton> nickrud: yeah, but do i need a bs=xxxx ?
[04:55] <hisheroisgone> ,,,
[04:56] <bimberi> Tim_: use "sudo -s" instead to get a shell with root privileges
[04:56] <tessier> Hello all!
[04:56] <crouton> howdy
[04:56] <nickrud> crouton well, not the last time I did it, anyway
[04:56] <Tim_> ok
[04:56] <crouton> nickrud: worth a shot, thanks. same thanks to you thr1ce
[04:56] <gpled> snd_cs4236 took, but no sound.
[04:56] <thr1ce> crouton, shouldn't
[04:56] <gpled> do i have to restart x?
[04:56] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: all of the gui's components use gksudo, which uses your own password too
[04:56] <nickrud> although, I have used bs=1024 before
[04:56] <crimsun> gpled: X Window System has nothing to do with sound
[04:56] <crouton> thr1ce: I think I'm going to dump the filesystem to iso file, maybe I can browse that later. ;)
[04:56] <tessier> I'm a Fedora/CentOS user but I decided to steal a very good idea from Ubuntu and do away with root passwords in my office and configure sudo.
[04:56] <gpled> crimsun: this is on a desktop
[04:56] <thr1ce> crouton, might be a good idea
[04:57] <gpled> how can i test sound out side of x?
[04:57] <bonggnu> i need help with cd burning in ubuntu hoary, i can toaste any kind of cd (using k3b i.e)
[04:57] <crimsun> gpled: you need to use a mixer and unmute (then increase) Master, PCM, and DSP
[04:57] <bimberi> tessier: yes it took a bit of getting used to but I'd do the same now too - one less password to manage
[04:57] <decaf> how can I add a description to ubotu ?
[04:57] <Tim_> ok i found the sources.list file now what do i do with it to install the package i need.
[04:57] <Trace> Hello, How do i know which module alsa contain? for example, i want to use snd-azx, but when i modprobe snd_azx, system telles me don't have this module
[04:57] <tessier> Only one problem with this: How do you scp a file readable only by root from one system to another?
[04:57] <nickrud> bonggnu can, or cannot?
[04:57] <bonggnu> cannot
[04:57] <crimsun> gpled: you can use alsamixer, amixer, aumix, etc.
[04:57] <tessier> Say for example I want to duplicate my /etc/sudoers file to every machine. I can't scp in as root to read the file.
[04:57] <thr1ce> Tim_, well, you don't use that; that'll just list the sources; sudo apt-get install <package> does that for you
[04:57] <tessier> I had the bright idea of chmod'ing the sudoers file 444
[04:58] <thr1ce> or, you can run synaptic, and just search in there for whatever you'd like
[04:58] <crimsun> Trace: Ubuntu Hoary does not ship with snd_azx.ko compiled. You need to compile it yourself from alsa-source in the universe repo.
[04:58] <tessier> That solved the immediate problem but then I found that my developers could not sudo on the box this morning.
[04:58] <abarbaccia> hey guys - the kernel source that i download from the ubuntu repos, does that contain my current kernel's config file
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> tessier: for more complicated issues like that, simply unlock root and copy your public key to them
[04:58] <crimsun> abarbaccia: your currenty config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> it'll make life easier
[04:58] <crimsun> -y
[04:58] <tessier> With no working sudo and a locked root password I had to boot the rescue disk. What a pain. I guess I learned my lesson on that.
[04:58] <thr1ce> abarbaccia, if that kernel and the one you're running are the same
[04:58] <Trace> crimusn, do you mean i should down load the source code and compile it myself?
[04:58] <Tim_> ok so i just type sudo apt-get install gnopernicus
[04:58] <crimsun> !tell Trace about alsa-source
[04:59] <abarbaccia> right, im asking if the ubuntu kernel sources have the ubuntu .config file or a generic one
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> tessier: tha'ts what we do, as a rule use sudo, but retain a root password on all machines
[04:59] <bimberi> Tim_: Does "sudo apt-get install gnopernicus" work?
[04:59] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you don't need the kernel source. It's already included at the location I told you.
[04:59] <nickrud> bonggnu I only use a subset of burning, that is, copying a cd (dd) and writing the iso (right click the iso in the filemanager), and burn:// for creating data disks in the filemanager
[04:59] <Trace> Thx!! crimsun!!
[04:59] <thr1ce> abarbaccia, should have the .config file; but, if I recall, ubuntu uses a initrd to load modules
[04:59] <abarbaccia> crimsun, i do need the kernel source - but i need the source tree setup correctly too
[04:59] <Tim_> that is what i am asking is that what i am supposed to type to install that package?
[05:00] <bimberi> Tim_: yes
[05:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: what are you trying to do?
[05:00] <Tim_> ok here goes
[05:00] <thr1ce> Tim_, sure...try it out :)
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: why not use synaptic.  It's much friendlier
[05:00] <abarbaccia> thr1ce crimsun , for compiling lirc (ir control for my myth box) it needs a source tree to work against
[05:00] <gpled> crimsun: is their a mixer in x?  does volume control count?
[05:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: the config is distributed with linux-image-foo. You don't need linux-source to look at the config file.
[05:00] <bonggnu> nickrud: i ll try the steps that you suggeest
[05:00] <crimsun> gpled: sure, Volume Control will suffice.
[05:00] <thr1ce> Tim_, in that sources.list file, you can uncomment the other lines that start with deb, then run sudo apt-get update, and it'll give you even more packages
[05:01] <nickrud> bonggnu just what are you trying to do, maybe I can give a better answer :)
[05:01] <gpled> crimsun: is there a way i can test sound from console?
[05:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: make sure you make oldconfig with the config I pointed you to above.
[05:01] <crimsun> gpled: sure, use aplay with a wav file
[05:02] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: why not just have him use system -> multimedia systems, and hit Test
[05:02] <Tim_> Ok, looks like it is working.
[05:02] <bimberi> Tim_: Yes - synaptic is a good thing to get to know - it's a gui front-end to apt(-get) - the command you've just used
[05:02] <crimsun> tiglionabbit: because he's not in X Window System presently
[05:02] <tiglionabbit> oh
[05:02] <nickrud> synaptic has real aptitude :)
[05:02] <bonggnu> install cdrecord mkisofs nautilus-cd-burner
[05:02] <thinice> need help - trying to install ubuntu on a raid array-  2 sata drives running in raid0 (hardware) - both drives are showing up though, not as one
[05:03] <abarbaccia> crimsun, thr1ce i got it - and the answer is yes, the .config file is the correct one with the source (at least lirc thinks so!)
[05:03] <frozenwalkway> how big is ubuntu fully installed?
[05:03] <spermie_411> What am i doing wrong? bash: sudo/etc/init.d/sshd: No such file or directory
[05:03] <spermie_411> ?
[05:03] <thr1ce> 1.5 g or so
[05:03] <frozenwalkway> thanks trh!ce
[05:03] <bimberi> Tim_: You can access it (once that install finishes) at System -> Adminstration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[05:03] <moparfan90> its small
[05:03] <crimsun> abarbaccia: no. The config in /boot is the one that's being used.
[05:03] <nickrud> bonggnu nautilus-cd-burner if I recall correctly, is part of the base install for ubuntu-desktop. Why do you need to install it?
[05:03] <nalioth> frozenwalkway: user desktop about 3-4gb MAX
[05:03] <Tim_> Ok thats great i'll look into that.
[05:03] <nalioth> nickrud: howdy
[05:04] <Tim_> Thanks for all your help.
[05:04] <thinice> anyone ?a
[05:04] <bonggnu> i am using kubuntu
[05:04] <bimberi> Tim_: yw :)
[05:04] <capi> how do you estimate a good swap size?
[05:04] <thr1ce> capi, how much ram do you have?
[05:04] <capi> 256
[05:04] <nickrud> nalioth hey, when will you hit the alamo, I still need to see it :)
[05:04] <thr1ce> how much HDD space?
[05:04] <nalioth> capi: then twice
[05:04] <crimsun> if you plan to suspend, you want at least twice the amount of physical RAM.
[05:04] <nalioth> nickrud: huh?
[05:05] <thr1ce> capi, if you can afford it, do 512 or so
[05:05] <crimsun> if you don't plan to suspend, it doesn't really matter
[05:05] <GigaClon> is there a page in the wiki comparing KDE and GNOME
[05:05] <nickrud> nalioth nm, you've forgotten an earlier conversation :)
[05:05] <nalioth> nickrud: yes, i've slept
[05:05] <nickrud> lol
[05:05] <spermie_411> sudo: /etc/init.d/sshd: command not found ?? why isnt this working?
[05:05] <tiglionabbit> GigaClon: it's mostly opinion.  Why not get kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop together, and see which you like more?
[05:05] <crimsun> spermie_411: install openssh-server
[05:06] <nickrud> bonggnu oh, I don't know much about kubuntu.
[05:06] <thr1ce> spermie_411, you need openssh
[05:06] <nalioth> GigaClon: and you don't have to stop there, there are over a dozen desktop manglers you can (ab)use
[05:06] <thr1ce> server*
[05:06] <capi> does more than double hurt it, or just a waste?
[05:06] <mdipi> hey guys, if i switched my defualt DE to  KDE, how can i make the default Gnome again?
[05:06] <crimsun> spermie_411: and it's /etc/init.d/ssh, not /etc/init.d/sshd
[05:06] <FormerWindowsUse> which is better:  epiphany or firefox?
[05:06] <nalioth> spermie_411: you need the pkg called "openssh-server"
[05:06] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: chevy or ford?
[05:06] <FormerWindowsUse> i dont know
[05:06] <thr1ce> FormerWindowsUse, that's opinion...but firefox is better supported, updated more frequently
[05:06] <nickrud> mdipi in the login screen, there should be a session option
[05:07] <bonggnu> nickrud: i installed ubuntu base, and installed throw apt the other components
[05:07] <thinice> need help - trying to install ubuntu on a raid array-  2 sata drives running in raid0 (hardware) - both drives are showing up though, not as one --- any ideas ?
[05:07] <spermie_411> does synaptics have open-server?
[05:07] <crimsun> spermie_411: yes.
[05:07] <Tim_> One more question now that I have that package installed do i need to reboot for it to work?
[05:07] <thr1ce> spermie_411, dunno, search
[05:07] <spermie_411> ok
[05:07] <tiglionabbit> !info openssh-server
[05:07] <ubotu> openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
[05:07] <mdipi> nickrud, yeah thats per session though, not default
[05:07] <thr1ce> Tim_, nope; only reboot in linux to change kernels, or add hardware
[05:07] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: you asked a subjective question, all this linux soft is free, so why not try whatever you like?
[05:07] <bob2> thinice: that means it's not hardware raid
[05:07] <FormerWindowsUse> good idea nalioth thanks
[05:07] <nalioth> Tim_: the only time you reboot is when you upgrade the kernel
[05:08] <Tim_> Ok, so I hcecked the checkbox for screen reader how do i get it talking?
[05:08] <nickrud> mdipi well, gdm asks if you want the newly selected session to be the default, I don't remember if kdm does
[05:08] <spermie_411> Thanks guys
[05:08] <bob2> thinice: if it's built into the motherabord, it's highly unlikely to be hardware raid
[05:08] <nalioth> mdipi: when you select gnome, it will ask you if you want to make it default
[05:08] <thr1ce> Tim_, hit apply at the top
[05:08] <newbie> !lilo
[05:08] <ubotu> newbie: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:08] <newbie> !mbr
[05:08] <ubotu> newbie: I haven't a clue
[05:08] <FormerWindowsUse> nalioth:  does epiphany have good extensions like firefox?
[05:08] <newbie> !grub
[05:08] <ubotu> methinks grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[05:08] <mdipi> nalioth, nickrud, it never asked to default it again, gmd does but KDE apparently doesnt
[05:08] <thinice> oot
[05:08] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: afaik, only ff uses
[05:08] <gpled> crimsun: ok, i got aplay to work, but still no sound in x.  also can not get DSP to go up.  used alsamixer.
[05:08] <thinice> it's got it's own raid controller chip.
[05:08] <zZzZzUz> POKER [Holdem]  for LINUX? any suggestions???
[05:09] <nalioth> 'extensions'
[05:09] <nickrud> mdipi another reason to stick with gnome ;P
[05:09] <capi> Whats a good size for a boot partition? 500MB?
[05:09] <bob2> capi: you don't need one at all
[05:09] <crimsun> gpled: which elements did you unmute?
[05:09] <bob2> capi: but 500MB is ridiculously large
[05:09] <thr1ce> capi, noo, WAY too much
[05:09] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: however galeon, epiphany, kazehakase are all gecko based, so can all offer similar things
[05:09] <bob2> thinice: is it a desktop motherboard?
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> gpled: in X, right-click and get Properties on your speaker thing.  Then go through every section on every device and turn it up
[05:09] <thr1ce> capi, a good kernel is about 1.5-2.0 mb
[05:09] <bonggnu> use 40 mbytes
[05:09] <mdipi> nickrud, yeah i know :P thats why i wanna default gnome again
[05:09] <thr1ce> 6638    /boot/
[05:09] <thinice> bob2: yes it is - intel onboard raid asus -
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> wow, I did a 'cp' command that is taking ages
[05:10] <bob2> thinice: then it's not actually hardware raid
[05:10] <thinice> it sure as hell aint software. ..
[05:10] <nalioth> capi: you really don't need one, but 200mb would be the biggest i'd use
[05:10] <thinice> what would you call it then ?
[05:10] <nickrud> mdipi then, the quick fix is aptitude install gdm
[05:10] <bob2> thinice: software
[05:10] <FormerWindowsUse> does anybody use p2p software here that they can legally mention? lol
[05:10] <tiglionabbit> it took like 2 minutes to cp 174mb from ext3 to fat32
[05:10] <bob2> thinice: if it was hardware, the OS wouldn't know anything about the disks behind it
[05:10] <spermie_411> permie@Spermie:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[05:10] <spermie_411>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...         [fail]
[05:10] <spermie_411> why would it fail ?
[05:10] <thr1ce> sudo ?
[05:10] <thinice> that's what I thought -
[05:10] <thr1ce> oh
[05:10] <rob_lt> FormerWindowsUse, I use Limewire which is perfectly legal in canada, and runs just fine on linux
[05:10] <nalioth> nickrud: if he's got gnome, hes got gdm
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> thr1ce: should still work
[05:11] <thinice> if it was emulated tho, wouldn't I have to install software for it ?
[05:11] <gpled> hmm, esd sound cool. what does that do?
[05:11] <thr1ce> ls -l /etc/init.d/ssh
[05:11] <FormerWindowsUse> rob_lt:  is there a better alternative to LimeWire?
[05:11] <thinice> or is it 'firmware software' /
[05:11] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: java apps use a lot of system resources
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> gtk-gnutella is okay
[05:11] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: gtk-gnutella uses the same network
[05:11] <rob_lt> FormerWindowsUse, depends what you're after.  There's bittorrent, and ed2k clients too, though I don't use them.
[05:11] <nickrud> nalioth, if mdipi has gdm already installed, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm, and select gdm as the display manager
[05:11] <JeremyPrivett> Hey guys. Would anyone be able to help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48295
[05:11] <thr1ce> @ spermie_411
[05:11] <bob2> thinice: you need a special driver for it that emulates raid, yes
[05:12] <mdipi> nickrud, i'll give that a go
[05:12] <FormerWindowsUse> last time i tried gtk-gnutella it never connected.  how is this?
[05:12] <spermie_411> Wow thanks thr1ce it worked =)
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> JeremyPrivett: no thread
[05:12] <spermie_411> you the man
[05:12] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: something is extramly broken
[05:12] <thr1ce> spermie_411, lol, all I had you do was check perms
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> oops wait
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> sorry
[05:12] <spermie_411> perms?
[05:12] <thr1ce> permissions
[05:12] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: that error is your kernel crashing.  check the .inf file isn't corrupt, etc.
[05:12] <spermie_411> i see
[05:13] <spermie_411> sorry N00b
[05:13] <thr1ce> but it's working?
[05:13] <spermie_411> yeah
[05:13] <thr1ce> lol ok
[05:13] <mdipi> nickrud, that worked fine
[05:13] <f_r[a] n_k> can someone help me out please?
[05:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'm havin some problems
[05:13] <mdipi> nickrud, cheers mate!
[05:13] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, how would I go about doing that, if I can't get the computer to Boot?
[05:13] <gpled> ok, if i run esd sound works
[05:13] <gpled> in x
[05:13] <thr1ce> f_r[a] n_k, not if you don't ask a question
[05:13] <thr1ce> :)
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the power faild today and now an app keeps stalling
[05:14] <crimsun> gpled: are you using gnome?
[05:14] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: wow, you have ndiswrapper running during boot?
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what can i do to fix this?
[05:14] <bob2> brave
[05:14] <gpled> crimsun: yes
[05:14] <f_r[a] n_k> well i installed ubuntu using the wrong resolution, now its all garbled
[05:14] <f_r[a] n_k> and i cant see to change it
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> JeremyPrivett: you can use a livecd, like knoppix, to boot and make repairs on things
[05:14] <crimsun> gpled: then do this: echo "snd_cs4236" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:14] <thr1ce> ChurcH_of_FoamY, in synaptic, there is an option to reinstall packages...try that ?
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[05:14] <bob2> you don't even need to do that, just boot into reocvery mode
[05:14] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: you dont need to see
[05:14] <crimsun> gpled: sound will work, as it does now, when you reboot
[05:15] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, tried that already. It still crashed.
[05:15] <tiglionabbit> brb, let me check something
[05:15] <f_r[a] n_k> i dont need to see?
[05:15] <thinice> out of curiosity
[05:15] <f_r[a] n_k> like i cant log in
[05:15] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: hit ctrl-alt-f3 and login
[05:15] <thinice> why is it so 'bad' to run x in root ?
[05:15] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: something has trashed your disk then
[05:15] <thr1ce> thinice, security...imagine if someone "hacked in" with root access
[05:15] <gpled> crimsun:  what does tee -a do?
[05:15] <nalioth> thinice: b/c some programs will use the root priveleges to trash your account settings
[05:15] <Tim_> ok i got it to where gnopernicus starts when I start the machine, but when i click on click on applications accessability screen reader and magnifier i get no speech from the speakers.
[05:16] <crimsun> gpled: appends to file while also printing to stdout
[05:16] <thinice> nalioth: namely ?
[05:16] <gpled> crimsun: thanks for for the /etc/modules tip
[05:16] <thinice> I'm not runnin a shell server here...
[05:16] <nalioth> thinice: .ICEauthority for one has been reported to be changed to read-only by nautilus
[05:16] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, is there anything that I can do?
[05:17] <thinice> well
[05:17] <Tim_> and if i'm not mistaken when i nstalled the gnompernicus it installed festval as well?
[05:17] <thinice> heh
[05:17] <thinice> brb
[05:17] <bob2> thinice: it's bad because it encourages people to be idiots.  having to use sudo raises the barrier for making fatal mistakes.
[05:17] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: dunno
[05:17] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: are you here?
[05:17] <bob2> depends how bad it is
[05:17] <f_r[a] n_k> yeh
[05:17] <bob2> or if that is indeed the problem
[05:17] <f_r[a] n_k> i logged in
[05:17] <gpled> any idea why i need to run esd?
[05:17] <thinice> well considering I just discovered my problem I'll never have to do it again
[05:17] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: if you expect help from people on the forums, you need to post way way more information thatn that
[05:17] <thr1ce> gpled, why not ?
[05:17] <f_r[a] n_k> how do i change the resolution?
[05:17] <crimsun> gpled: you don't _have_ to, but it's the default configuration.
[05:17] <thr1ce> gpled, it does multiple application handling pretty well
[05:18] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, what kind of information?
[05:18] <crimsun> gpled: else you'd have to configure things to use either oss or alsa
[05:18] <thr1ce> f_r[a] n_k, well, editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf for one
[05:18] <f_r[a] n_k> man i'm tottaly new at this
[05:18] <sky_monkey007> I have a theoretical question.  If you have software package A and B that both depend on a particular version of package C, what happens when you upgrade package A that needs a newer version of C, if there was also no upgrade for package B that uses the older version of package C?
[05:18] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: ie the whole error, not that one line
[05:18] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: in your terminal, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and fix your self
[05:18] <sky_monkey007> could you have 2 different version of a common dependency, like glibc, or something like that?
[05:18] <bob2> sky_monkey007: nothing.  B continues to work, A gets upgraded.
[05:19] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: package B will use the newer A
[05:19] <bob2> sky_monkey007: if C would break B, C would need to handle that.
[05:19] <thr1ce> nalioth, always doing things the easy way...
[05:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no option to reinstall the app is in synaptic >.<
[05:19] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: package B will use the newer C
[05:19] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, I can only see part of the error. It floods the screen, and I can only see about the last half. I can't scroll back up to see the rest.
[05:19] <bob2> sky_monkey007: no, you can't have multiple versions of the one package, and you cant make multiple glibc6 packages, either.
[05:19] <thr1ce> ChurcH_of_FoamY, right click, "mark for reinstallation"
[05:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the app isen't in synaptic
[05:19] <nalioth> thr1ce: he said he bungled the video part of the install, not wanted more rez options
[05:20] <sky_monkey007> the reason I asked is because I remember when I was upgrading my GAIM and it needed a new version of glibc.  When I went to upgrade glibc6, it said that some other program depended on that particular version of glibc6
[05:20] <thr1ce> nalioth, ah...I still always change resolutions from xorg.conf
[05:20] <gpled> crimsun: should i be using alsa?
[05:20] <crimsun> gpled: it's your choice. Breezy has moved to alsa natively.
[05:20] <mig1> afternoon...
[05:20] <thr1ce> learned on slack remember
[05:20] <nalioth> thr1ce: but we don't know if he bungled the driver, or the dispay type or what....
[05:20] <nickrud> mig1 hi
[05:20] <sky_monkey007> bob2, you think that was just a freak occurance perhaps?
[05:20] <mig1> err, evening, not afternoon heh
[05:21] <gpled> crimsun: how do i tell my system to use alsa?
[05:21] <mig1> a few things
[05:21] <mig1> 1) does ubuntu support dvi?
[05:21] <bob2> sky_monkey007: er, no, that's user error
[05:21] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: maybe a bunch of other libraries need to follow glibc exactly
[05:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it's something with my sound
[05:21] <mig1> new computer, dvi, monitor says "unsupported input"
[05:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stalls out the app >.<
[05:22] <sky_monkey007> Frank_dot, thanks.  Thats what I figured.  I always used apt to install packages, but did try to install GAIM from source for that upgrade.
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[05:22] <bob2> sky_monkey007: using real ubuntu packages, you won't have that issue
[05:22] <crimsun> what's the deal with your sound, ChurcH_of_FoamY?
[05:22] <sky_monkey007> Aptitude is an awesome alternative to Synaptic, if you've never used it :)
[05:22] <thr1ce> ChurcH_of_FoamY, run it from a terminal, see what errors are presented
[05:22] <mig1> the other thing is... i'm trying to setup vsftpd from a live environment, and have it point to an ntfs usb hdd (corrupt ntfs table, ubuntu can read it, windows cannot)
[05:22] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: what I said is just a guess though
[05:22] <konki> mig1, yes..
[05:22] <mig1> i want to transfer from that hdd -> new machine via ftp
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do run it in terminal it just laggs
[05:22] <newbie> guy's what the best place to instal grub in windows on linux ? i have install windows 1st
[05:22] <gpled> crimsun: have to go.  thanks for all the help.
[05:22] <thr1ce> what application?
[05:22] <thinice> ok - this is starting to get to me. I plug my digital cam in while logged into x as root - detects it fine and lets me see the images .
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothing happens it goes to sleep
[05:23] <mig1> i can apt-get install vsftpd, however, i can't get a listing on the drive
[05:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> TeamSpeak_RC2
[05:23] <thinice> login as a normal user - detects device- doesn't detect the cam make or the pictures inside it.
[05:23] <thinice> I also can't launch the apps from the administrator menu -
[05:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it worked before the power went out >.<
[05:23] <bob2> thinice: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:23] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did you configure arts to release the sound device after a few seconds?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um no
[05:24] <Frank_dot> mig1: vsftpd is just the ftp server, nothing more
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't even know what that is >.<
[05:24] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you using Kubuntu?
[05:24] <spermie_411> where do i got to get a weather station for my town on k weather?
[05:24] <thr1ce> hm...doesn't kde have troubles with changing /tmp perms?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubuntu
[05:24] <mig1> ok, so how do i set the permissions on the drive, so that a nonroot user can read ?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kubuntu is installed though but not used
[05:24] <mig1> its the auto mount from ubuntu livecd
[05:24] <newbie> help me
[05:24] <newbie> help
[05:24] <thr1ce> mig1, man chmod
[05:24] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you'll need to configure esd to release the device after an idle period
[05:24] <mig1> i tried chmod
[05:25] <thr1ce> actually, man mount, check into umask options
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how?
[05:25] <Madpilot> spermie_411: right click on the weather thing, pick "Preferences"
[05:25] <mig1> says its a readonly file system
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it worked fine before the power went out
[05:25] <mig1> will try that
[05:25] <edamron> I just installed ubuntu a few days ago.  Is there no root user?!  It seems that my normal logon has root powers?!
[05:25] <spermie_411> doesnt say preferences
[05:25] <thr1ce> mig1, what type of fylesystem?
[05:25] <mig1> ntfs
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats diffrent now?
[05:25] <ekho> hi
[05:25] <thr1ce> ah, umask should work well
[05:25] <mig1> i just want an anonymous ftp user to be able to read it
[05:25] <crimsun> !tell edamron about sudo
[05:25] <Frank_dot> edamron: no root user, you use sudo <command> instead
[05:25] <ekho> this 1st time i use the linux
[05:25] <Madpilot> spermie_411: sorry, just realized you said K weather. I'm using the gnome weather thing...
[05:25] <mig1> i can: ln -s /media/usbhdd /var/ftp
[05:26] <mig1> and allow anonymous in vsftpd
[05:26] <mig1> however, it says list OK, open failed
[05:26] <ekho> can help me?
[05:26] <mig1> i guess i dont have permissions, will try umask options in mount
[05:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any ideas?
[05:26] <edamron> crimsun, But when I do admin stuff it asks for my password and then gives me root powers.
[05:26] <edamron> crimsun, is it doing sudo behind my back?
[05:27] <ekho> some one please help me..
[05:27] <crimsun> edamron: gksudo
[05:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ekho whats up?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> ekho, what is your question?
[05:27] <nalioth> ekho: you need to ask a question
[05:27] <thr1ce> hm...in synaptic, does tuxracer = tuxkart?
[05:27] <Trace> crimsun, i download the source code of alsa 1.0.9, but it seems don't have snd-azx driver.
[05:27] <ekho> how to show file windows
[05:28] <mig1> actually i dont even need the ln -s, if i say: anon_root in vsftpd.conf, however i need to make sure i have permissions set
[05:28] <GigaClon> how do install fonts on ubuntu
[05:28] <edamron> Okay so I can delete this profile and create a diff. one without trouble?
[05:28] <thr1ce> nevermind
[05:28] <thr1ce> lol
[05:28] <nalioth> GigaClon: drop them into your ~/.fonts directory
[05:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ekho whats your native laungauge?
[05:28] <ekho> indonesia
[05:28] <misfit_toy> ekho, at the top left, "places"
[05:28] <GigaClon> whats ~
[05:28] <Madpilot> thr1ce: tuxkart seems to be there too
[05:28] <edamron> The reason I ask is that I have an nfs server and my user ID is wrong on the client.
[05:28] <Trace> I tried dpkg-reconfig alsa-source, but i don't see modules for snd-azx
[05:28] <thr1ce> Madpilot, yeah, i changed search from tux to kart, and found it
[05:28] <ekho> yes
[05:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok um is there a room for his laugauge?
[05:29] <nickrud> GigaClon ~/.icons for a single user, /usr/local/share/fonts so all users on the machine can use them
[05:29] <nickrud> GigaClon ~ means
[05:29] <crimsun> Trace: did you select the azx driver?
[05:29] <misfit_toy> ekho "places"/ "computer"
[05:29] <konki> can KDE based application run/install on GNOME??
[05:29] <nalioth> GigaClon: ~ is a shortcut for /home/yournamehere
[05:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas hi ^_^
[05:29] <ekho> i cant understant
[05:29] <nickrud> GigaClon bad enter ;) ~ means `/home/<current user>
[05:30] <edamron> Is there an easy way to change a user's UID so that it'll match an NFS server's UID for that person?
[05:30] <ekho> now i use linux Ubuntu
[05:30] <nalioth> konki: yes it can
[05:30] <misfit_toy> ekho and you want to see the files and folders right?
[05:30] <ekho> yes
[05:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> will someone refer ekho to a room that he can understand? (indeonisa)
[05:31] <ekho> i want to see my file windows Xp
[05:31] <misfit_toy> ekho, oh
[05:31] <thinice> I fixed the admin menu issue
[05:31] <Trace> I don't find azx item when i do dpkg-reconfig alsa-source,
[05:31] <Trace> i use 1.0.9
[05:32] <edamron> Is there an easy way to change a user's UID so that it'll match an NFS server's UID for that person?
[05:32] <konki> thanks nalioth..
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Morton's Law:
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 	If rats are experimented upon, they will develop cancer.
[05:33] <nickrud> lol
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[05:33] <misfit_toy> and also "Murphy was an optimist".
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:33] <Velcan> if i were to make an sh script that issued a command prior to opening an app is there a way to issue a command(s) when that app is closed?
[05:34] <sky_monkey007> does anybody remember what applet Ubuntu installs as stock for wireless signal strength?
[05:34] <edamron> crimsun, Is there an easy way to change a user's UID so that it'll match an NFS server's UID for that person?
[05:34] <nickrud> Velcan just have the commands follow the app in the script, as a general rule
[05:34] <ekho> now i open root terminal
[05:34] <crimsun> edamron: sure, edit the appropriate system files
[05:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never look up when a dragon flys overhead >.<
[05:34] <edamron> crimsun, LOL.  That does NOT sound easy.
[05:35] <nalioth> Velcan: are you familiar with bash scripting?
[05:35] <GigaClon> !bash
[05:35] <ubotu> GigaClon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:35] <crimsun> edamron: it's not too difficult. Look at /etc/passwd
[05:35] <edamron> crimsun, thanks I'll take a look
[05:35] <Velcan> ok. for instance whenever i run WoW via cedega i have to killall esd .... i could just do killall esd; cedega path/to/wow.exe; esd ?
[05:36] <ekho> crimsum help me
[05:36] <crimsun> edamron: of course, it's much easier to just pass the appropriate uid to whichever UNIX command that attempts to mount an NFS export
[05:36] <crimsun> ekho: with?
[05:36] <Velcan> yea i ama  little
[05:36] <edamron> crimsun, Yeah, I should have set the proper UID when I created my account
[05:36] <Velcan> im no guru but aspire to be ...
[05:36] <ekho> i want to see my windows folder
[05:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Linux is not user-friendly.
[05:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> It _is_ user-friendly.  It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.
[05:36] <edamron> crimsun, but it was the first time I've installed ubuntu
[05:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:37] <ekho> now i open root terminal
[05:37] <nickrud> hm, the tldp's bash link is from 2000; does anyone have a more recent/better one?
[05:37] <edamron> crimsun, Maybe I should just save my home directory. delete the account and recreate it with the proper UID
[05:38] <chris__> can anyone guide me through mounting my NTFS partitions please?  Knoppix was able to do it seemlessly, so there must be a way...
[05:38] <ekho> where a folder of windows
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O i dopn't think so
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just find humorus things sometimes
[05:38] <nickrud> Velcan that is the correct direction
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and paste them
[05:38] <bonggnu> holy, i can grab a cdr with cdrdao, but i cannot make it with cdrecord,
[05:38] <crimsun> edamron: just change the uid in /etc/passwd
[05:38] <cafuego> !tell chris__ -about user accessible ntfs
[05:38] <nalioths_dog> chris__: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[05:38] <crimsun> edamron: but it's much more beneficial to read the mount uid options
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Sir! i am insulted >.<
[05:38] <Heinrich> is there a list of wireless desktop adaptors ubuntu supports???
[05:38] <Velcan> great. thanks nickrud
[05:39] <ekho> church can you help me?
[05:39] <nickrud> Velcan the link I've found is http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html; for what you want, it will help a lot
[05:39] <edamron> crimsun, oh... I can add some parm. to pass the UID the nfs server expects?
[05:39] <chris__> Thank you both of you
[05:39] <Velcan> awesome. i'll bookmark that now. thanks! :)
[05:39] <nalioth> Heinrich: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareDatabase
[05:40] <edamron> crimsun, Thanks you've been a big help.
[05:40] <cafuego> edamron: Are the usernames the same?
[05:40] <edamron> cafuego, yep
[05:40] <GigaClon> nickrud: 404 on that URL
[05:40] <cafuego> edamron: Just run ugidd
[05:40] <cafuego> edamron: (on the client and server)
[05:40] <edamron> cafuego, what does that do?
[05:40] <chris__> nalioths_dog:  Sorry I'm still just getting started with linux, how do I run this exactly?  Just set it as an executable?
[05:41] <cafuego> edamron: And pass map_daemon in the exports file; it will then chat with the server and handle the mapping automagically.
[05:41] <nalioth> chris__: yes
[05:41] <edamron> cafuego, very kewl!
[05:42] <edamron> cafuego, the server is a suse 9.3 box.  I wonder if it comes with that
[05:42] <nickrud> GigaClon I just reloaded it, it came in here: maybe you caught the semi-colon a the end?
[05:42] <edamron> Thanks all!  I've got something to chew on now!
[05:43] <chris__> nalioths_dog: Okay, I've ran it, how do I tell if it works? Thank you for all the help
[05:43] <sizzam> hey everyone
[05:43] <bimberi> chris__: type df - and see if it is ounted
[05:43] <bimberi> *mounted
[05:43] <nalioth> chris__: look in /media, i believe
[05:43] <sizzam> im using an Athlon XP 3000+ processor, whats the best kernel for me?
[05:44] <karnage-> im trying to compile PHP 4.4.0 from source for use with Apache 2.0 on Ubuntu 5.04, and it cannot find aspx2... does this mean apache2 needs to be compiled from source also?
[05:44] <GigaClon> nickrud: I love the last point in 1.3 of that
[05:44] <nickrud> GigaClon lol, I didn't see that
[05:44] <chris__> hmm, it doesn't appear to be mounted
[05:45] <chris__> nalioths_dog: It doesn't appear to be mounted, must I run it as root?
[05:45] <nalioth> chris__: yes it needs to be run using sudo
[05:45] <nickrud> GigaClon all kidding aside, I recommend Learning the Bash Shell, published by O'Rielly. I've bought a few books over the years, it's the only one still on my desk (1998 edition)
[05:45] <mig1> ok well, i mounted the usb hdd using: mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbhdd -t ntfs -o ro,gid=users
[05:46] <mig1> .etc/vsftpd.conf has default values, anonymous_enable=YES, anon_root=/media/usbhdd/
[05:46] <sky_monkey007> does anyone here run wireless that can recommend a decent applet that tells me the signal strength?
[05:46] <mig1> i have restarted vsftpd after changing the conf file, i can connect, however i get: Transfer done (but failed to open directory).
[05:46] <mig1> so i can't list
[05:47] <sky_monkey007> I'm using gtkwifi right now, and it doesn't list signal strength
[05:47] <ekho> tores..???
[05:47] <ekho> tores...
[05:47] <liable> ekho: your in #ubuntu now..
[05:48] <tranc> hi, sorry the question does anyone knows where can i find an oracle channel?
[05:48] <mig1> ideas please?
[05:48] <cafuego> google://irc+oracle+channel
[05:48] <toresbe> ekho: Sorry, my IRC client messed up
[05:48] <ekho> toresbe?
[05:49] <toresbe> ekho: yeah, I'm here now.
[05:49] <ekho> now you can help me?
[05:49] <toresbe> sure.
[05:49] <toresbe> ekho: you want to mount your Windows partition, right?
[05:49] <Diablo-D3> whats the official ubuntu method of getting stuff to start on boot that doesnt involve init.d/rc2.s
[05:49] <ekho> now i have open root terminal
[05:49] <chris__> this is wierd, when I do su and put in my password it says "su: Authentication failure"
[05:49] <tranc> cafuego, i already try that, nothing useful, thanks any way
[05:50] <thr1ce> chris__, use sudo
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: well, yeah
[05:50] <nalioth> chris__: ubuntu doesnt use su
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: use sudo
[05:50] <spermie_411> can someone look up the weather station for kweather, for a martinsburg west virginia Plzzzzzzz
[05:50] <nalioth> chris__: use 'sudo'
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: You can sudo su if you want
[05:50] <toresbe> ekho: okay...
[05:50] <ekho> how to see my windows folder
[05:50] <helloyo> does anyone know a way of adding some totem key bindings?
[05:50] <chris__> I put in sudo....it just told me a lot of usage options....
[05:50] <chris__> should I put like sudo root
[05:50] <toresbe> ekho: Do you want to use your Windows partition?
[05:50] <GigaClon> sudo -i
[05:50] <ekho> yes
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: what is your prompt?
[05:50] <Diablo-D3> spermie_411: just a s ec
[05:50] <karnage-> im trying to compile PHP 4.4.0 from source for use with Apache 2.0 on Ubuntu 5.04, and its not creating the apache module because it cannot find aspx2... does this mean apache2 needs to be compiled from source also?
[05:51] <Madpilot> spermie_411: a quick google shows that the nearest airport might be KMRB
[05:51] <ekho> toresbe?
[05:51] <chris__> toresbe: 'Terminal'  chris@hoaryhedgehog: /home/chris
[05:51] <toresbe> ekho: does it say # or $?
[05:51] <Diablo-D3> spermie_411: shepherd airport
[05:51] <toresbe> chris__: sorry, wrong nick
[05:51] <ekho> its #
[05:51] <chris__> np...
[05:51] <helloyo> would there be anyway to add some more key shortcuts to totem (xine)
[05:51] <Diablo-D3> spermie_411: its a nice 72f down there
[05:51] <spermie_411> ilol
[05:52] <toresbe> ekho: okay
[05:52] <toresbe> ekho: do "nano /etc/fstab" w/o quotes
[05:52] <nalioth> karnage-: need -dev libs for all involved
[05:52] <mig1> no ideas?
[05:52] <chris__> I don't think I understand how sudo works.....
[05:52] <Velcan> can anyone tell me if rhythmbox supports mp3? ... or not if it does but rather if it can.
[05:52] <nalioth> !sudo
[05:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:52] <chris__> Am I supposed to put something after sudo?
[05:52] <toresbe> chris__: yeah
[05:52] <nalioth> Velcan: it supports mp3
[05:52] <toresbe> chris__: whatever command you want to run as root
[05:53] <toresbe> chris__: sudo means "superuser do"
[05:53] <Velcan> any idea where i can get the plugin?
[05:53] <nalioth> chris__: sudo winmacfs or whatever the thing is called
[05:53] <toresbe> or run as root
[05:53] <Velcan> i can google if ya like just wondering if ya know :P
[05:53] <ekho> toresbe : i have do that
[05:53] <toresbe> ekho: okay, can you /msg me the contents?
[05:54] <ekho> now i used indonsia language in my linux
[05:54] <toresbe> that's no problem, please paste it anyway
[05:54] <ekho> /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[05:55] <toresbe> no, not here
[05:55] <toresbe> in a /msg
[05:55] <firebird318> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu today and I am trying to install my modem. I am to the point where I have to run hsfconfig to configure the modem. It asks me: "Where is the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" What directory should I enter? I have Ubuntu 5.04
[05:55] <toresbe> ekho: type /query toresbe
[05:55] <Diablo-D3> firebird318: you have to install the headers package for your kernel
[05:55] <chris__> oh my it worked! :-* You guys are awesome!
[05:55] <toresbe> chris__: we know it ;P
[05:55] <Diablo-D3> firebird318: then it will automatically fill in the right dir
[05:55] <bimberi> chris__: it's a teriffic script!
[05:55] <chris__> yes it is!
[05:55] <toresbe> nalioth: what's that ?
[05:56] <Wa77z> anyone know how to unblock someone in gaim ??/
[05:56] <ekho> its no thing happen in my root terminal
[05:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok this is really weard
[05:56] <nickrud> !restricteformats
[05:56] <ubotu> nickrud: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:56] <toresbe> nalioth: is there an automatic script to attach a win partition?
[05:56] <firebird318> Well it has a directory of /usr/src/linux which doesn't even exist.  This will be a kick ass release for us laptop users :)
[05:57] <toresbe> ekho: sudo sh winmac_fstab
[05:57] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need to change the output to esound if you're using default Ubuntu sound configuration
[05:57] <crimsun> dh0: what sound card?
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i'm not
[05:57] <seth_k> jc_c: the 2.6.12-2 kernel has Alps touchpad patches, FINALLY
[05:57] <GigaClon> i get the same thing as foamy with RealPlayer
[05:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i followd a howto awile ago and then the power faild now no sound app will work
[05:58] <ekho> i have back to : root@Raynaldi:~ #
[05:58] <GigaClon> how can I change the sound configuration
[05:58] <dh0> crimsun: old machine. old card. it is an audigy something. let me check
[05:58] <robotgeek> seth_k: so, is that in the ubuntu update?
[05:58] <nalioth> toresbe: i dont think you can sudo sh something
[05:58] <jc_c> seth_k: my personal most awaited feature is NetworkManager :)
[05:58] <seth_k> robotgeek: it's in Breezy now, yes
[05:58] <nalioth> toresbe: i think you have to sudo -s and then sh something in the same terminal
[05:58] <seth_k> jc_c++
[05:58] <helloyo> anyway of adding more keybindings to totem?
[05:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: sudo ./script works!
[05:59] <dh0> crimsun: audigy sound blaster ct4170
[05:59] <ekho> toresbe?
[05:59] <ekho> r u there?
[05:59] <crimsun> dh0: erm, audigy ct4170?
[05:59] <nalioth> robotgeek: if the script is 'executable'
[05:59] <robotgeek> seth_k: i was trying to get my friend to move over to ubuntu, his touchpad wudn't work
[05:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: true
[05:59] <firebird318> Where can I get the Headers Package for Ubuntu 5.04
[05:59] <nalioth> robotgeek: and the winmac_fstab isnt when it downloads
[05:59] <dh0> i pulled audigy out of my ass
[06:00] <dh0> sound blaster ct4170
[06:00] <crimsun> yeah, you definitely pulled that one out
[06:00] <dh0> oops
[06:00] <crimsun> it's an isa card, which means you need to use snd_sb16
[06:00] <dh0> dunno why i thought that
[06:00] <dh0> okay
[06:01] <robotgeek> nalioth: do a chmod +x script
[06:01] <dh0> where would i find that? i quick search of apt didnt get it
[06:01] <supernix> has anyone here tried Koffice against OpenOffice ?
[06:01] <dh0> crimsun: ^
[06:01] <crimsun> dh0: open a terminal and sudo modprobe snd_sb16
[06:01] <dh0> ah cool
[06:01] <robotgeek> nalioth: to make it executable
[06:02] <dh0> no errors
[06:02] <nalioth> robotgeek: yes i know how to do it
[06:02] <nalioth> robotgeek: thank you
[06:02] <parkbench> AIE: still having the same problem as a week ago. wireless on my ubuntubox just refuses to work. i'm so desperate to delve into ubuntu but i have had 0 chance and i hate it :( i've tried anything...anyone care to trial and error with me?
[06:02] <blrich> could someone help? i'm having a problem playing movies with sound in mplayer. followed the 'unofficial ubuntu guide' to get mplayer in, it works fine, but whenever i play a movie with sound, literally every frame an error window pops up saying 'alsa-control: unable to find simple control PCM,0'
[06:02] <dh0> that it?
[06:02] <crimsun> dh0: good, now unmute the Master and PCM sliders
[06:02] <crimsun> (and of course increase the volumes)
[06:02] <ekho> i'm so confuse....
[06:02] <ekho> please....
[06:02] <ekho> help me...
[06:03] <robotgeek> nalioth: sorry!
[06:03] <nickrud> blrich I would recommend removing the stuff from the ubuntuguide, and getting the ubuntu supported mplayer. You'll have better support here.
[06:03] <dh0> master?
[06:03] <spermie_411> how do u kill a progrsm that froze?
[06:03] <ekho> toresbe : where are u ?
[06:03] <dh0> i presume you are refering to aumix, right
[06:03] <crimsun> dh0: you may not have a master. Look at alsamixer or amixer.
[06:03] <blrich> nickrud, how do i get that? mplayer isn't in apt-cache normally
[06:03] <blrich> spermie_411, killall program-name
[06:04] <nickrud> blrich yes, it's in multiverse, I'll do a couple of ubotu things
[06:04] <nickrud> !components
[06:04] <ubotu> from memory, components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:04] <nickrud> !repositories
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:04] <robotgeek> !repositories
[06:04] <chris__> ah....xmms locked up, how do I shut down something that stops responding?
[06:04] <robotgeek> doesn't work :)
[06:05] <GigaClon> !esd
[06:05] <ubotu> [esd]  Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[06:05] <dh0> crimsun: ok. i do have it. it is up
[06:05] <dh0> what now?
[06:05] <reka> chris__: killall xmms
[06:05] <crimsun> dh0: unmute the Master and/or PCM elements
[06:05] <chris__> reka: Thank you!
[06:05] <dh0> i slip them up. does that count?
[06:05] <reka> chris__: if it locked up, you might want to try changing the output plugin to esound in preferences
[06:05] <crimsun> yes
[06:06] <dh0> or is that not what u mean
[06:06] <crimsun> dh0: but you need to unmute them, too
[06:06] <nalioth> chris__: you can do Applications > Run Application > xkill and then touch the magic wand on the offensive program
[06:06] <dh0> how do i do that
[06:06] <crimsun> dh0: which program are you using?
[06:06] <reka> chris__: you might also want to have a look at beep-media-player: it's a prettier xmms clone
[06:06] <dh0> amixer
[06:06] <spermie_411> for real tho, can someone gimmie that web address for k weather , so i can get my station i need because it wont let me type it in for some reason
[06:06] <crimsun> dh0: then use amixer sset 'element' on
[06:06] <nalioth> reka: where you been hiding?
[06:06] <pinko> good evening, gents.
[06:07] <reka> nalioth: been a little busy :)
[06:07] <chris__> reka: can it play mp3s?
[06:07] <nalioth> so i see
[06:07] <reka> chris__: it's an xmms clone :)
[06:07] <blrich> nickrud, should i just add all four subtypes to each repository line?
[06:07] <dh0> crimsun: i'm sorry. not sure what you mean. i dont see anything that sayss element
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok something in gnome is busted >.<
[06:07] <nalioth> chris__: you need to install the libs for mp3 and dvd and stuff
[06:07] <reka> nalioth: actually, the few times i dropped in, you were either sleeping or working.
[06:08] <crimsun> dh0: replace element with Master, PCM, etc.
[06:08] <nickrud> !sources
[06:08] <ubotu> I heard sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[06:08] <nalioth> reka: well, i need to slow down some, then
[06:08] <crimsun> dh0: here, just paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[06:08] <pinko> I wonder about stream capturing, especially of a rm file being offered through rtsp://.  any advice?
[06:08] <nickrud> blrich a sec, let me get my favorite link for that
[06:08] <reka> chris__: you don't need an mp3 lib if you're using xmms or bmp.  they come with their own
[06:08] <Tim> Anyone familiar with Gnopernicus?
[06:08] <skullfire> hey all
[06:08] <dh0> oops, i am using alsamixer my bad
[06:09] <crimsun> dh0: ok, then press 'm' to unmute
[06:09] <GigaClon> is there a way I can setup a program to bypass esd?
[06:09] <skullfire> im having some trouble installing ubuntu 5.04 from my CD
[06:09] <dh0> heh ok thanks
[06:09] <chris__> reka: bmp doesn't appear to be in the package manager :-X
[06:09] <GigaClon> chris__:
[06:09] <reka> chris__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:09] <dh0> crimsun: i didnt get any feedback when i pressed m. is that ok?
[06:09] <GigaClon> reka beat me to it
[06:09] <nickrud> blrich https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles , the better organized version
[06:10] <reka> GigaClon: :)
[06:10] <crimsun> dh0: just paste amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[06:10] <dh0> k
[06:10] <Tim> I've got it all installed but having trouble iwth the speech output.
[06:10] <skullfire> when i boot ubuntu from the Live-CD, the startup freezes after looking for "mice" on PS-2 devices
[06:10] <skullfire> wny ideas?
[06:10] <edamron> what file do I edit to make the ugidd service start at boot?
[06:10] <reka> skullfire: telling us what kind of trouble you're having might help :)
[06:10] <nalioth> chris__: it may be called beep media player
[06:10] <crimsun> (it's beep-media-player)
[06:10] <dh0> thanks for your patience crimsun
[06:11] <dh0> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/508
[06:12] <crimsun> dh0: you need to increase Master and PCM
[06:12] <IcemanV9> did anyone have experience with firefox shuts down for NO reason?? i could not find core or any error messages .. is that bug??
[06:12] <sizzam> whats the best way to go about updating my kernel?  i updated it, but im having all sorts of problems, had to go back to the old one
[06:12] <nalioth> IcemanV9: thats a hint, lol
[06:12] <firebird318> On my computer with Ubuntu I can only get a screen resolution of 640x480. Why is this and what can I do to fix it? Can anyone help me?
[06:12] <GigaClon> is there any way to have a program bypass esd
[06:13] <GigaClon> !resolution
[06:13] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:13] <nalioth> !tell firebird318 about resolution
[06:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i broke the sound in gnome >.<
[06:13] <crimsun> GigaClon: assuming the program allows you to pick a sound api, yes
[06:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this sucks
[06:13] <firebird318> I will check that link out. Thanks
[06:13] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: paste the output of the following to the pastebin in the topic: cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer
[06:13] <chris__> you guys are so helpful it's amazing
[06:14] <dh0> crimsun: i set them to max with alsamixer
[06:14] <Velcan> nickrud:  do you know if there is a plugin for rythymbox to be able to edit id3 tags?
[06:14] <skullfire> reka-any idea?
[06:14] <dh0> what next?
[06:14] <GigaClon> crimsun, it checks for me
[06:14] <IcemanV9> nalioth: dang .. will check the bugzilla once more to make sure it's there or not
[06:14] <crimsun> dh0: have you used aplay to test whether sound is played?
[06:14] <nickrud> Velcan not yet, I use easytag for that
[06:14] <dh0> i have not
[06:14] <crimsun> dh0: then use aplay to play one of the wav files in /usr/share/sounds/
[06:15] <crimsun> GigaClon: which app?
[06:15] <GigaClon> StepMania
[06:15] <Velcan> i love the organization of rythymbox but i have quite a few songs with broken id3 tags getting sorted into the 'unknown' category
[06:15] <skullfire> when i boot ubuntu from the Live-CD, the startup freezes after looking for "mice" on PS-2 devices
[06:15] <skullfire> any ideas?
[06:15] <nickrud> Velcan easytag has a very unintuitive interface, but it'll do just about anything
[06:15] <reka> skullfire: so it freezes *after* the mouse detection, not during?
[06:15] <GigaClon> and before you ask it can't use ESD due to latancy issues
[06:15] <skullfire> welll
[06:15] <Velcan> cool
[06:16] <skullfire> i dont know
[06:16] <skullfire> it says
[06:16] <nalioth> well, y'all keep up the good work
[06:16] <skullfire> mice: ----------- PS2 device something
[06:16] <blrich> nickrud, thanks =)
[06:16] <skullfire> and well.. it just stays there
[06:16] <crimsun> GigaClon: then just use oss
[06:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://pastebin.com/311666
[06:16] <dh0> i ran it. crimsun yeah it definately worked. and somehow managed to make me jump. threw the headphones. lol
[06:16] <dh0> thanks a lot
[06:16] <skullfire> i can type on the next line too
[06:16] <crimsun> dh0: so sound works. You need to do this: echo "snd_sb16" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[06:17] <skullfire> and i was pressing keys about 3 minutes after waiting
[06:17] <crimsun> dh0: that way sound will work automatically
[06:17] <skullfire> and i pressed PRINTSCR key and this error shows up hehe
[06:17] <skullfire> but still
[06:17] <GigaClon> both ALSA and OSS are being used by esd
[06:17] <skullfire> i cant test ubuntu!
[06:17] <dh0> tee, never heard of that one. okay thanks a lot crimsun. really appreciate it
[06:17] <skullfire> perhaps with advanced options?
[06:17] <crimsun> GigaClon: so either configure esd to release the device /dev/dsp after a very short idle period, or use esdctl to stop it yourself
[06:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> crimsun http://pastebin.com/311666
[06:18] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, I see
[06:18] <dh0> crimsun: that will use /dev/dsp, right?
[06:18] <reka> skullfire: not really sure.... but:  [1]  does the CD work on another computer? [2]  what mouse do you have?
[06:18] <jerry> ekho
[06:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh diden't know if you got it sorry
[06:18] <crimsun> dh0: esd on Ubuntu is configured by default to use /dev/dsp through ALSA's OSS emulation, yes
[06:18] <ekho> boss
[06:18] <jerry> yess
[06:19] <jc_c> hey anyone has a gmail invite for me?
[06:19] <skullfire> i have a usb mouse
[06:19] <ekho> boss jerry...
[06:19] <dh0> jc_c i have like a thouasand
[06:19] <dh0> whats ur email?
[06:19] <jerry> iye kenape
[06:19] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: mute Capture
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[06:19] <GigaClon> crimsun how do I do that
[06:19] <ekho> gw mo liat file windows gimane ye?
[06:19] <skullfire> standard DELL dimension mouse
[06:19] <reka> skullfire: and number [1]  ?
[06:19] <jerry> ....
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> done
[06:19] <jerry> ini pake apa ?
[06:19] <jerry> ubuntu ya ?
[06:20] <dh0> jc_c: ???
[06:20] <skullfire> havent tested it
[06:20] <ekho> root terminal
[06:20] <skullfire> but i thought the cd was damaged
[06:20] <skullfire> so i burnt it
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[06:20] <ekho> iya gw pake ubuntu...
[06:20] <skullfire> and tried the burnt disk.. but still
[06:20] <chris__> rena: bmp locks up when I go to play a mp3 as well
[06:20] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: also, mute Headphone if it still doesn't work
[06:20] <IcemanV9> skullfire: unplug and replug the mouse
[06:20] <crimsun> chris__: make sure you select the esound output plugin if you're using default Ubuntu sound config
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok ^_^
[06:21] <skullfire> when?
[06:21] <jc_c> dh0: I messaged it to you
[06:21] <ekho> boss?
[06:21] <skullfire> when it freezes?
[06:21] <blrich> anyone know a good graphical mixer application for alsa? trying to get my external soundcard working
[06:21] <skullfire> or right now?
[06:21] <chris__> crimsun: How do I do that?
[06:21] <ekho> jerry : Boss
[06:21] <IcemanV9> skullfire: as of now
[06:21] <crimsun> chris__: Preferences
[06:21] <dh0> oh, crap how do i switch to a message in irssi?
[06:21] <skullfire> why so.. its working alright
[06:21] <jerry> Lineighboorhood ada nga /
[06:21] <crimsun> blrich: alsamixer-gui, Volume Control, KMix, etc.
[06:21] <ekho> dimana tuh?
[06:22] <dh0> jc_c, hold on. if i leave the chanel, i will be right back
[06:22] <jerry> file transfer
[06:22] <crimsun> blrich: sorry, that first one is alsamixergui
[06:22] <s0lid> how can i change the refresh rate of my monitor
[06:22] <IcemanV9> skullfire: it happened to me before .. something with the interrupt .. it wouldn't let go until you unplug the mouse .. it's weird, but works
[06:22] <skullfire> hmm
[06:22] <skullfire> ok
[06:22] <skullfire> ill try that
[06:22] <ekho> gw pake bhs Indonesia linuxnya...
[06:22] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: also, your PCM is set kinda low
[06:22] <skullfire> right now im on windows
[06:22] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: try increasing it
[06:22] <skullfire> and its working fine
[06:22] <skullfire> so
[06:23] <skullfire> u wnat me to unplug
[06:23] <skullfire> replug
[06:23] <skullfire> restart
[06:23] <skullfire> run liveCD right?
[06:23] <s0lid> how can i change the refresh rate of my monitor
[06:23] <frank> I just reinstalled ubuntu and I accidently forgot to tar my backed up files so now that they're all loaded back they are chmodded 644 and are all octet-streams. Any quick way to fix this?
[06:23] <IcemanV9> skullfire: sometimes you'll unplug the mouse 'til livecd runs through .. then plug in the mouse
[06:24] <IcemanV9> skullfire: i have usb mouse right next to me :)
[06:24] <jerry> gue nga hapal kalau pake ubuntu
[06:24] <jerry> soalnya setiap window beda2 semua distro
[06:25] <jerry> coba lo ke prompt #
[06:25] <reka> jerry, ekho: would you guys mind using /msg?
[06:25] <frank> how would i go about changeing the mimetype of a lot of files?
[06:25] <skullfire> hmm ok
[06:26] <jerry> hello reka
[06:26] <skullfire> ice, will u be here for a while
[06:26] <skullfire> im gonna test this
[06:26] <dh0> i am having a strange network issue. sometimes when i boot 50% eth0 never gets brought up. i dont know whats up. and my attempts to do it manually (probobly incorectly) fail
[06:26] <IcemanV9> skullfire: yep
[06:26] <nickrud> frank just what do you mean by that?
[06:26] <skullfire> thx
[06:27] <Madpilot> has anyone gotten one of those combo printer-scanner units working OK in Ubuntu?
[06:27] <Chrisxx> Thank you to whomever that was that suggested the esound plugin :)
[06:27] <nickrud> frank the mime type is usually determined by the actual file type, if I recall correctly
[06:27] <crimsun> Chrisxx: yw
[06:27] <Chrisxx> Ubuntu is amazing :) Supports my 9600 and onboard sound out of the box
[06:27] <Madpilot> a relative has one, and I'd like to get them converted to U seamlessly...
[06:28] <reka> Chrisxx: 1st linux distro?
[06:28] <blrich> crimsun, i installed and ran alsamixergui because i've used that before, and it now says: no mixer elems found
[06:28] <blrich> crimsun, i'm presuming that's bad
[06:28] <Chrisxx> I tried debian, but I couldn't get the resolution to change from 800x600
[06:28] <crimsun> blrich: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:28] <Chrisxx> then I came here
[06:28] <reka> Chrisxx: that's a common problem in ubuntu as well.
[06:29] <ekho> some can give tutorial for ubuntu?
[06:29] <Chrisxx> it defaulted to 1600x1200 for me
[06:29] <crimsun> ekho: try the wiki
[06:29] <Wheatley> Does a default install of Ubuntu have a firewall that would block port 27015? I'm trying to host a CS:S dedicated server but no connections from WAN are getting in.
[06:29] <Chrisxx> which is just about perfect
[06:29] <crimsun> Wheatley: no daemons listen on external interfaces, so no firewall runs.
[06:29] <ekho> what its that?
[06:30] <reka> Chrisxx: nice.  at a guess, looks like ubuntu detected your montor correctly while debian did not.
[06:30] <ekho> crimsun: what its wiki?
[06:30] <frank> hey is there a way or a program to "smartly" assign a mime-type because all of my files were set to octet streams and now its a hassle to do anything
[06:30] <Wheatley> crimsun: hmmm. So any idea why the connections wouldn't be getting through?
[06:30] <crimsun> ekho: http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:30] <crimsun> Wheatley: look at your cable modem/router
[06:30] <Chrisxx> reka: May have been, I'm a fan of high resolutions so this works great for me
[06:31] <Chrisxx> and I've found that theres nothing I can do in windows that I can't in linux
[06:31] <IcemanV9> Chrisxx: 1600x1200 .. nice size! can do many tasks on ONE desktop screen - impress friends & co-worker ;)
[06:31] <Chrisxx> plus linux seems to run faster than windows
[06:31] <crimsun> blrich: still waiting
[06:32] <Wheatley> crimsun: The router is configured correctly. It forwards port 27015 to the local IP of that machine. :-/
[06:32] <Madpilot> hmmm... anyone running Lexmark scanner-printer combos under Ubuntu?
[06:32] <crimsun> Wheatley: there is no firewall running on Ubuntu by default. You need to make sure you don't have other software running that mucks with that.
[06:32] <Chrisxx> Now I have to start making my desktop beautiful ;-)
[06:33] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: for eye candy: http://www.gnome-look.org/  :)
[06:33] <mortarhate> shouldn't blackbox and enlightenment at least attempt to populate the menu's on their own?
[06:33] <blrich> crimsun, 0 snd_usb_audio
[06:33] <blrich> crimsun, it's an Edirol UA-5 external soundbox, of course linux probably doesn't have drivers but I'm surprised it can't even change the volume on it. weirdly enough, sound does comes through, but I'm playing a movie or something I get similar errors about no miser controls etc.
[06:33] <blrich> *mixer
[06:33] <Wheatley> Hmm, I'm going to try a different port and see what happens
[06:33] <GigaClon> ALSA error: pcm_hw.c:1158 snd_pcm_hw_open: open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed (Device or resource busy)
[06:33] <mortarhate> all other distro's i used they do
[06:33] <GigaClon> fuser show nothing
[06:34] <crimsun> blrich: it works fine. You need a newer version of alsa-driver, though. Use alsa-source from universe.
[06:34] <crimsun> !tell blrich about alsa-source
[06:34] <Chrisxx> Madpilot: Thanks for the recommendation, I'm also going to have to get some widgets
[06:34] <GigaClon> ALSA driver 1.0.6
[06:34] <mortarhate> i guess i just have to make the whole menu by hand ):
[06:34] <blrich> crimsun, waiting for what?
[06:34] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: lots of panel toys included in Ubuntu...
[06:35] <blrich> crimsun, okay i'll check out alsa-source
[06:35] <crimsun> blrich: what you just said
[06:35] <Chrisxx> Madpilot: What do you mean?  How do I access them?
[06:35] <crimsun> GigaClon: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[06:35] <IcemanV9> Chrisxx: try industrial + bright + gperfection2 (for theme)
[06:35] <GigaClon> nothing
[06:36] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: right-click on either the top or bottom panel of Ubuntu. select "add to panel". pick toys & programs!
[06:36] <crimsun> GigaClon: then try again
[06:36] <Chrisxx> I'm going to install gdesklets as well
[06:36] <blrich> crimsun, thanks =)
[06:36] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: Wanda The Fish is mandantory! ;)
[06:37] <blrich> crimsun, "If you agree then the ALSA drivers will be built with support for the isa-pnp driver" should i say yes?
[06:37] <crimsun> blrich: no. And say yes to debug.
[06:37] <crimsun> blrich: then choose the usb driver.
[06:37] <GigaClon> crimsun stepmania 10998 gigaclon  mem    CHR 116,16      7959 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[06:37] <GigaClon> stepmania 10998 gigaclon    7u   CHR 116,16      7959 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[06:38] <hanasaki> is there a thing like deibans make-kpkg?
[06:38] <crimsun> GigaClon: looks fine to me (stepmania has grabbed the alsa sound devices)
[06:38] <blrich> crimsun, okay building usb driver, unchecked 'all' as well
[06:38] <crimsun> hanasaki: yes, kernel-package is available
[06:38] <GigaClon> hmm
[06:38] <hanasaki> k
[06:38] <hanasaki> brb
[06:38] <GigaClon> must be a bug in program
[06:38] <blrich> should i also uninstall also-utils or any of that other stuff too?
[06:39] <crimsun> blrich: don't touch the other alsa stuff
[06:39] <hanasaki> hmm this is all on gcc 3.3 not 4.x?
[06:39] <hanasaki> gotcha
[06:39] <GigaClon> whats the current alsa driver number?
[06:39] <crimsun> 1.0.9b
[06:39] <GigaClon> I have 1.0.6
[06:40] <crimsun> there's no compelling reason to update unless you have one of the very new sound chipsets
[06:40] <Chrisxx> Wanda the fish has been added ;-)
[06:40] <hanasaki> is there a make-jpkg too?
[06:40] <crimsun> hanasaki: java-package, yes
[06:41] <GigaClon> good night all
[06:41] <hanasaki> hmm whats it in.. i have universe but no java-package
[06:42] <Madpilot> Wanda The Fish says, "Today's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson"... :)
[06:43] <crimsun> hanasaki: multiverse
[06:43] <hanasaki> something new to learn
[06:43] <hanasaki> whts that
[06:43] <parkbench> OH MY GOD
[06:43] <crimsun> license-restricted repo
[06:43] <parkbench> I...GOT...WIRELES...WORKING
[06:43] <parkbench> oh my god. oh my god :O
[06:43] <nickrud> !components
[06:43] <parkbench> :OOO
[06:43] <ubotu> somebody said components was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:43] <crimsun> 'grats, parkbench
[06:44] <nickrud> hanasaki that components will tell you about multiverse
[06:44] <sinferno> whats a good soulseek client
[06:44] <IcemanV9> parkbench: are you running FREE with laptop in the park?? :P
[06:44] <parkbench> crimsun: thank you
[06:44] <hanasaki> wow.. mroe new.. whats soulseek
[06:44] <crimsun> sinferno: nicotine
[06:44] <parkbench> oh my god im cryign with tears of joy
[06:44] <mortarhate> soulseek
[06:44] <deFrysk> soulseek, is it still around ?
[06:44] <sinferno> crimsun, thnx i saw several and wasnt sure which to get
[06:44] <marcel_> Does anyone know how to make linux printing equal to windows printing, quality wise? My printer is a HP 656C and the fonts look too blocky when printed
[06:45] <mortarhate> only for winblows afaik
[06:45] <parkbench> yeah soulseeks still around
[06:45] <sinferno> deFrysk, yeah i have been using it for years
[06:45] <parkbench> i download thirty fourty albums from slsk a day
[06:45] <sinferno> soulseek is the best for getting full albums beside bittorrent
[06:46] <spartacus> hi. how do i use my windows fonts in ubuntu?
[06:46] <parkbench> yeah
[06:46] <parkbench> SO GUYS
[06:46] <reka> marcel_: you checked the quality settings in printer prefs/settings?
[06:46] <parkbench> what do you suggest i do first? app-wise, i guess? i already have several things in mind, but i want to hear your opinions
[06:46] <spartacus> to which folder am i supposed to copy the fonts to? to ~/.fonts ?
[06:46] <Marble2> what do I need to install to get totem-xine to play a .mkv file?
[06:46] <parkbench> ubuntu is my first foray into linux
[06:46] <parkbench> and im very happy it works now
[06:46] <nickrud> marcel_ you can try the gimpprint drivers, they are supposed to be good for hp's
[06:46] <spartacus> parkbench, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:46] <hanasaki> hmm i dont want multiverse.. i want a pakcage like in deiban that makes a .deb from the sundownload
[06:47] <Chrisxx> Sorry to ask a stupid question, but what is a daemon?
[06:47] <reka> Marble2: you mean .mov?
[06:47] <hanasaki> backrond process
[06:47] <Chrisxx> I thought that was the BSD mascot <_<;
[06:47] <deFrysk> sinferno, nicotine seemt the app to use for soulseek
[06:47] <hanasaki> that does stuff
[06:47] <hanasaki> lke an email sever
[06:47] <marcel_> reka: Yep
[06:47] <deFrysk> seems#
[06:47] <dh0> i am having a strange network issue. sometimes when i boot 50% eth0 never gets brought up. i dont know whats up. and my attempts to do it manually (probobly incorectly) fail
[06:47] <Marble2> reka: no, .mkv
[06:47] <marcel_> nickrud: Oh? Better than HPIJS? HP's offical driver?
[06:48] <spartacus> Chrisxx, something that runs on its own. without intervention once started
[06:48] <frank> does anyone know how to chmod 755 all directories in ~ ?
[06:48] <Marble2> matroska video file
[06:48] <Chrisxx> ah, okay thank you
[06:48] <nickrud> marcel_ well, on my hp940, yes, they were a lot slower, but better print quality
[06:48] <Chrisxx> I kept hearing it repeatedly but didn't know what was meant by it
[06:48] <spartacus> hi. how do i use my windows fonts in ubuntu?  to which folder am i supposed to copy them?
[06:48] <spermie_411> is there any way I can make the boot up quicker, and make the letters littler because there huge????
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> frank, chmod 755 /home/username -R
[06:49] <marcel_> nickrud: How old is a 940?
[06:49] <Madpilot> spartacus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:49] <Madpilot> !fonts
[06:49] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:49] <Frank_dot> Marble2: vlc is the best player for .mkv and subtitles and everything
[06:49] <hanasaki> is gcc 4 available for ubuntu
[06:49] <Madpilot> ubotu fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:49] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[06:49] <spartacus> spermie_411, you can remove what you do not need from startup.. man update-rc.d. and you need to set the vga mode to something different in your grub config
[06:50] <spartacus> Madpilot, thanks :)
[06:50] <nickrud> marcel_ well, I bought it in 2001 or 2, I think
[06:50] <Marble2> Frank_dot: I've tried VLC but I could never get my audio working, I'd rather just be able to play it in totem
[06:50] <reka> Marble2: gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:51] <Marble2> reka: I already have that
[06:51] <reka> Marble2: hmm, the package info says it has matroska decoding
[06:51] <frank> marble2: gst-register-0.8 ?
[06:52] <Frank_dot> hanasaki: yes gcc 4 is in universe
[06:52] <spartacus> Madpilot, thanks. works now
[06:52] <Chrisxx> Thanks guys, I think you just made linux my new OS for pretty much everything except for BattleField 2
[06:52] <Chrisxx> :-)
[06:52] <spermie_411> so i dont need update-rc.d ?
[06:52] <marcel_> ok
[06:52] <Madpilot> is there any way to get ubotu to list all the ! commands he knows? In private chat, obviously...
[06:53] <Marble2> frank: couldn't find that package to install
[06:53] <hanasaki> oh dam.. just found out.. gcc4 wont do kernel 2.11 sup w/ that. .i get compile errors!
[06:53] <hanasaki> back to 3.
[06:53] <Frank_dot> u-bot-u ...took me a long time to get that one!
[06:53] <frank> marble2: its not a package its like an update thing
[06:53] <frank> marble2: so just type gst-register-0.8 at the command line
[06:53] <Marble2> it's not in the apt-get repositories...
[06:53] <Marble2> ohhh
[06:54] <Jogariga> i just installed ubuntu on my powerbook but i haven't found a way to control the britness of the screen. anyone know?
[06:54] <Marble2> still nothing
[06:54] <nickrud> Marble2 you can find out what package gst-register-0.8 belongs to at packages.ubuntu.com
[06:54] <Marble2> i rna gst-register-0.8, but it still won't play
[06:56] <frank> marble2: do you have all of these (theyre just listed in the guide and yes theyre packages) w32codecs, gstreamer0.8-plugins, gstreamer0.8-lame, lame, sox, ffmpeg, mjpegtools, vorbis-tools
[06:56] <hanasaki> hmm isnt xorg supposed to do real tranparencies?