[00:23] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:26] <rick_h_> evening
[00:26] <rick_h_> cmaloney: you make chc?
[00:30] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm here
[00:31] <cmaloney> Along wiht Matt P.
[00:33] <rick_h_> cool ahoild be out of here shortly
[00:33] <rick_h_> meet you guys there
[00:33] <rick_h_> should that is
[00:34] <cmaloney> Awesome. See you in a bit
[02:02] <cscheib_> jcastro: do you know if the new plex "intel 64-bit" "embedded" release is based on ubuntu or any linux?
[02:46] <cscheib> mis-typed my own damn name.
[12:57] <cmaloney> morning
[13:03] <jcastro> cscheib: it's a linux image, I don't know which one, I don't have a rpi2
[13:03] <jcastro> cscheib: someone is working on a normal deb but it needs like qt 5.6 alpha so there's some work to be done there
[16:38] <cscheib> jcastro: openelec apparently
[16:48] <cscheib> seems to work on my Pi2 that just arrived
[16:49] <cscheib> remote and all, which people are bitching about on the forum
[16:49] <cscheib> if someone else gets Qt packaged, I'd probably package the rest of it
[17:48] <jcastro> oh cool, what kind of remote?
[19:58] <cscheib> jcastro: harmony one+ with a mediagate usb ir receiver
[19:58] <cscheib> same setup both aaron and I have been using for years


[20:11] <k1l> !guidelines > mrtux
[20:12] <k1l> seems like so trollpit is trying to be funny
[20:12] <k1l> *some
[20:14] <DJones> Unusual as well given that its somebody with an unaffiliated cloak
[20:17] <k1l> it were 2 users with the same quote and the third pointing at that
[20:17] <Fuchs> DJones: unaffiliated cloaks are rather easy to get
[20:18] <DJones> Yeah, I was looking at mrtux, for the cloak
[20:19] <DJones> Fuchs: Agreed, although once somebody has one they don't seem to troll
[20:20] <Fuchs> that would be lovely ... anyway, he doesn't look like a trouble user I'd know


[08:09] <drathir> bry...
[08:28] <drathir> 1
[08:29] <gjm> 2
[08:29] <mati75> 3
[11:42] <jacekn> 4
[11:42] <Ashiren> -1


[04:03] <michi> trainguards: I have a process question with failing autopkgtests. Anyone around who might be able to advise?
[04:03] <robru> michi: what's up?
[04:04] <michi> robru: Same question as yesterday.
[04:04] <michi> Basically, the thumbnailer test is failing due to some package dependency I didn’t even know existed.
[04:04] <michi> So, what’s the right process?
[04:04] <michi> I don’t want to bug a core dev every day to kick the test until it finally passes.
[04:04] <robru> michi: you need a core dev to hit retry then?
[04:04] <michi> Yes.
[04:04] <michi> But it might be days before this works.
[04:05] <michi> So, I bug a core dev every day?
[04:05] <robru> michi: only people with upload rights can retry the tests. So if it's a universe package you can get a MOTU
[04:05] <michi> I don’t know what  MOTU is...
[04:06] <michi> It just seems really awkward and inefficient this way.
[04:07] <michi> Couldn’t we have something that realizes that an autopkgtest has failed due to a missing dependency and then automatically retry periodically?
[04:07] <michi> Seems that the process for an autopkg test failing due to missing dependencies is quite different from a failure when the actual test itself doesn’t pass.
[04:08] <michi> I’m wondering whether we could automate the former.
[04:08] <robru> michi: https://launchpad.net/~motu but check if the package is in universe
[04:08] <robru> michi: you'd have to take that up with pitti
[04:09] <michi> OK, will do.
[04:10] <michi> BTW, the failure is due to repowerd.
[04:10] <michi> Which isn’t in universe, AFAIK.
[04:11] <robru> michi: isn't that new? Universe is default until it gets promoted
[04:11] <michi> Not sure.
[04:11] <michi> That’s part of the problem.
[04:11] <michi> Our autopkgtest fails due to some problem with a package I didn’t even know existed...
[04:11] <robru> michi: either way, yeah you need a person with power to hit the switch, nothing I can do about that
[04:12] <michi> Sure, I understand, thanks!
[04:12] <robru> michi: pitti told me he required this to avoid flooding the system, it's a necessary bottleneck apparently
[04:12] <robru> You're welcome
[04:12] <michi> Cool, thanks.
[07:38] <Saviq> sil2100, morning, any idea why https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1525 is failed? everything seems fine but unity8 on xenial, which just has "not considered" :/
[07:41] <sil2100> uh
[07:42] <sil2100> No autopkgtests no nothing
[07:43] <sil2100> Saviq: I think pitti needs to be brought into this
[07:50] <Saviq> ack /me → -devel
[08:02] <sil2100> cjwatson: hello! Houston, we have a problem, need your wisdom on how to resolve this
[08:04] <sil2100> cjwatson: situation: we had a new package called repowerd put into the overlay, this package was providing a virtual package of powerd to deprecate the existing powerd package for transition
[08:04] <sil2100> cjwatson: but repowerd seemed to cause a lot of regressions, we decided to 'revert' it temporarily from the vivid overlay
[08:05] <sil2100> cjwatson: since it was the only repowerd version, I reverted the dependent packages and removed repowerd from the overlay archive (so that the only thing providing powerd is now powerd itself)
[08:06] <sil2100> cjwatson: but this backfired, since now the image builders don't see powerd in the overlay at all, possibly because they see that repowerd that was providing the latest version of powerd binary is deleted and ignores the existing powerd package in the overlay
[08:06] <sil2100> cjwatson: and it's pulling in something archaic from the archives now
[08:07] <sil2100> cjwatson: what can we do in such a situation? We want anyone using the overlay to be able to use the powerd provided by powerd source, with repowerd removed
[08:07] <sil2100> (so get back to the situation from a few days before)
[08:16] <seb128> you probably want to reupload a proper powed to the ppa
[08:16] <seb128> powerd
[08:17] <seb128> it's likely that the previous binary got superseeded by the repowerd ones
[08:17] <seb128> so to restore them you need a rebuild
[08:17] <seb128> no-change rebuild should do I guess?
[08:17] <sil2100> seb128: but with the old version number of powerd, right?
[08:18] <sil2100> seb128: since repowerd had a much much higher version
[08:18] <seb128> that should work I guess
[08:18] <sil2100> seb128: ok, let me try that, thanks!
[08:18]  * sil2100 has fingers crossed
[08:18] <seb128> well, I don't think the are controls over binary versions in ppas
[08:18] <seb128> it would create issues for people who use that ppa on desktop installs though
[08:18] <seb128> apt is not going to downgrade binaries for you
[08:19] <seb128> not sure if you have many desktop users there though
[08:19] <seb128> you might have some with convergence work...
[08:19] <sil2100> hm, I think they shouldn't have any need to install powerd though, it's only for touch I suppose
[08:21] <sil2100> seb128: see! If I didn't misunderstand you and listened to you blocking the preNEW review we wouldn't have had repowerd on the images yet! ;)
[08:21] <sil2100> eh eh
[08:21] <sil2100> Since it seems it wasn't ready on various fronts and the maintainer is away
[08:22] <seb128> haha
[08:22] <seb128> yeah :-/
[08:38] <ogra> sil2100, first fallout on the mailing list ... i guess that deserves an announcement for rc-proposed users
[08:39] <Saviq> jibel, hey, this is ready for QA https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1525 - train forgot to test unity8 on xenial and that's why it's red, we'd need to wait for robru to resolve that, but elsewhere it's all green so if possible, I'd like to get it in your queue
[08:43] <sil2100> ogra: yeah, let me follow up on that
[08:48] <sil2100> hm, not sure if this powerd bump worked
[08:49] <sil2100> seb128: strange thing that on my chroot it still tries to give me the repowerd powerd package even though it's deleted
[08:49] <sil2100> Maybe cjwatson would have some power over removal of the binaries somehow?
[08:50] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=repower&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[08:50] <seb128> doesn't show it as deleted
[08:50] <seb128> oh, that's xenial though
[08:50] <seb128> what serie are you on?
[08:51] <sil2100> Aaaah
[08:51] <sil2100> Ok, don't mind me, eh
[08:51] <sil2100> ...
[08:51]  * sil2100 was testing on a xenial chroot
[08:56] <sil2100> seb128: anyway, when using chdist, the powerd bump didn't seem to help, now it still sees the main-archive powerd only
[08:58] <sil2100> I'm worried that it's because the version number is still smaller, but I wouldn't want to bump the old powerd to the absurd versioning of repowerd
[09:01] <seb128> well, you just uploaded so maybe it needs another publisher round
[09:01] <seb128> or maybe it has memory of the binary version and it's creating issues
[09:01] <seb128> Colin would know about that
[09:01] <seb128> but if that's the case I need you need a version bump or to use an epoch (that's they are made for)
[09:02] <sil2100> uh, never used an epoch before, ok
[09:03] <sil2100> Let me wait a bit for Colin and if not I'll do it like that
[09:03] <Laney> which series?
[09:03] <sil2100> Laney: vivid overlay
[09:03] <Laney> vivid hahaha
[09:03] <Laney> sorry :P
[09:03] <sil2100> ;p
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, well, it's a ppa question, not a serie one
[09:04] <Laney> packages are published per series
[09:04] <Laney> so you need to know which one to analyse the problem
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, powerd has version 1, repowerd was uploaded with version 6 (making up versions) which built a powerd transational binary, repowerd was deleted ... what happens if powerd 1.1 is uploaded
[09:05] <seb128> does the ppa get a powerd 1.1 binary back?
[09:05] <seb128> or does the ppa has memory of having a powerd 6 binary
[09:05] <seb128> which creates issues
[09:07] <Laney> You can upload a no-change rebuild of powerd
[09:07] <Laney> it won't work properly for apt upgrades, but that's not a problem here
[09:07] <seb128> right
[09:07] <seb128> well, he did a no change rebuild
[09:08] <sil2100> I uploaded version 1.1 but it still doesn't seem to work
[09:08] <seb128> and the ppa doesn't see the powerd binary from that rebuild
[09:08] <sil2100> At least when using chdist
[09:08] <seb128> but maybe it's still a publisher cycle behind
[09:08] <seb128> wait a bit...
[09:08] <sil2100> It doesn't seem to see the overlay PPA binary at all, but yeah, I'll wait a cycle still
[09:09] <Laney>   Candidate: 0.16+15.04.20160204.1-0ubuntu2
[09:09] <Laney>   Version table:
[09:09] <Laney>      0.16+15.04.20160204.1-0ubuntu2 0
[09:09] <Laney>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu/ vivid/main amd64 Packages
[09:16] <seb128> well, seems to have worked then
[09:16] <seb128> Sil's env is probably buggy
[09:17] <sil2100> seb128: no, it works here as well now
[09:17] <sil2100> seb128: \o/
[09:18] <seb128> k, so just needed to wait for the publisher
[09:18] <seb128> good!
[09:18] <sil2100> seb128: thanks for the pointer o/
[09:18] <seb128> thanks Laney for the input ;-)
[09:18] <seb128> yw!
[09:18] <sil2100> And Laney too :)
[09:18] <sil2100> Ok, let me rebuild
[09:18] <seb128> it's going to bite your apt users though
[09:18] <seb128> but I guess you don't have many of those
[09:18] <Laney> nice
[09:19] <seb128> you could add a conflicts on repowerd or something if you want to force them into fixing it manually rather than staying on the wrong version
[09:20] <seb128> like having unity8 to conflicts repowerd
[09:47] <cjwatson> sil2100: looks like everyone else beat me to it
[09:47] <cjwatson> sil2100: though for the record I think it might have been possible to copy the old powerd over the top of itself
[09:48] <cjwatson> not strictly necessary to crank the version in that case (depending of course on what you want to happen with apt clients)
[09:56] <sil2100> cjwatson: btw. wow, armhf image build took 24 minutes :O
[09:57] <sil2100> Is that due to the scaling-stack switch?
[09:58] <cjwatson> sil2100: what was the previous time?
[09:58] <sil2100> 45 minutes
[09:58] <cjwatson> sil2100: right, I am unsurprised but pleased
[09:58] <cjwatson> sil2100: the arm64 VMs are generally rather more capable
[09:58] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks for that! It's so, wow
[11:33] <mzanetti> sil2100, hey, got multiple people reporting that their devices don't boot any more after the latest rc-proposed upgrade
[11:33] <mzanetti> after the bootsplash it just turns black
[12:27] <Saviq> sil2100, can you add zsombi to train users please? thanks
[12:27] <zsombi> +1 thx
[13:48] <Wellark> trainguards: "No silos available! Please ask your friendly neighborhood trainguard to free some."
[14:35] <rvr> bfiller: Silo 55 (messaging app) approved
[14:35] <bfiller> rvr: thanks
[14:48] <Laney> sil2100: can haz silos?
[14:50] <sil2100> uuuu
[14:50] <sil2100> 81 assigned :O
[14:51] <Saviq> @unity8 ↑ if you have a silo that you could give up, please do so :)
[14:52] <Saviq> jibel, did you see my msg about https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1525 ? it's ready for QA but britney is confused (similar to what rvr saw before with https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1378 - simply no results from britney for a certain package)
[14:53] <Saviq> robru, could you have a look at why those two are missing britney results for unity8@xenial and ubuntu-push@vivid, respectively?
[14:53] <rvr> Saviq: jibel is on holidays
[14:53] <Saviq> rvr, ah, well deserved, he should log off then ;)
[14:54] <rvr> Saviq: Another "Not considered"
[14:54] <Saviq> rvr, yup
[14:55] <rvr> sil2100: Ah, you are back
[14:56] <rvr> sil2100: There are problems with a couple of silos. Automated signoff failed because packages are "not considered". Do you know how to solve that?
[14:56] <sil2100> rvr: sadly not, Saviq already poked me about that, we need to wait for robru
[14:56] <sil2100> We need more detailed logs from britney
[14:57] <sil2100> Even pitti couldn't help
[14:57] <rvr> I see
[14:59] <sil2100> zsombi: oh, missed that message, you're added
[15:03] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend, bregma: hey! I see this silo https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1513 got rejected for xenial
[15:03] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend, bregma: since we're out of silos, you want to abandon/finalize it maybe and start over again?
[15:04] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Right, trying to get input from the Technical Board on whether the SRU can be accepted.
[15:04] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Hmm, I'm not sure if the Tech Board will need a reference to the deb diff.
[15:04] <bregma> sil2100, let's see if larryprice will abandon hist acolyterm silo instead, while we resolve some design issues
[15:05] <bregma> I'd rather keep ticket 1513 until the TB meeting next Tuesday
[15:06] <larryprice> bregma, ChrisTownsend, np i'll abandon
[15:08] <sil2100> Ok, I see 2 free silos
[15:08] <sil2100> Laney: ^
[15:08] <sil2100> larryprice, bregma, ChrisTownsend: thanks for the info
[15:08] <Laney> sil2100: merci!
[15:08] <Laney> looked to me like there were a lot of old ones
[15:09] <sil2100> Yeah, still trying to free some up
[15:09] <sil2100> Maybe we'll have more
[15:33] <rvr> sil2100: Don't publish ticket 1676, I'm checking something
[15:33] <sil2100> rvr: ACK
[15:40] <sil2100> rvr: give me a sign once you're done
[15:42] <rvr> sil2100: Ok
[15:42] <rvr> (ok, I'll give you a sign)
[15:48] <rvr> sil2100: Cannot reproduce the problem... weird. Go ahead.+
[15:48] <sil2100> rvr: ACK! Thanks!
[16:07] <bfiller> sil2100: ping
[16:07] <sil2100> bfiller: pong
[16:07] <bfiller> sil2100: any ideas why ubuntu-push says "not considered" here https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1378/landing-054-vivid/excuses.html
[16:07] <bfiller> sil2100: it's blocking the landing
[16:08] <sil2100> bfiller: sadly I don't know, this is something that pitti would need to take a look at, it's a known bug it seems
[16:08] <bfiller> sil2100: known bug with britney?
[16:08] <sil2100> robru might also be able to take a look into that
[16:09] <sil2100> bfiller: known from today, multiple silos had that
[16:09] <bfiller> ah
[16:09] <bfiller> rvr: ^^^^
[16:09] <bfiller> robru: any ideas?
[16:09] <rvr> bfiller: Poor sil2100, we have pinged him multiple times for the same issue :)
[16:10] <bfiller> sorry sil2100 :)
[16:10] <rvr> bfiller: I asked him after Saviq
[16:10] <sil2100> I did not have enough knowledge to dive into that ;p
[16:10]  * bfiller really wants silo 54 to land :)
[16:10] <robru> bfiller: I don't know anything about it. I just enabled debug logging so pitti can dig into it soon
[16:10] <rvr> robru: :-/
[17:00] <robru> slangasek: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/last-run.txt can you help us interpret this? Seems pitti isn't around and landings are blocked
[17:00] <robru> sil2100: ^^
[17:13] <robru> Nobody?
[17:15] <kenvandine> robru, i had a quick look but i don't know anything about britney
[17:18] <robru> kenvandine: yeah me either. That NBS message is the problem but I don't see how that could be possible or how to fix it
[17:25] <slangasek> robru: which bit needs interpreting there?
[17:28] <robru> slangasek: grep through for NBS. bileto exclusively uploads source packages to PPAs but somehow britney can't find the sources that built the binaries
[17:34] <robru> slangasek: actually that might be a red herring? the first one in the list with NBS actually gets approved. so basically there are a few britney failures that I have no idea what's going on at all
[17:34] <slangasek> ok, which failures are the problematic ones?
[17:35] <robru> slangasek: landing-054 for starters: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1378/landing-054-vivid/excuses.html
[17:36] <slangasek> fwiw looking at the first 'NBS' case, it does seem that address-book-app-dbg is not built from the address-book-app package on ppc64el in silo 32; so this appears to be accurate
[17:37] <slangasek> robru: so I guess you're looking at e.g. ubuntu-push, which is 0 days old and 'Not considered'?
[17:37] <robru> slangasek: yes, there's at least 3 silos like that, I'll have to dig them up from the scrollback
[17:37] <slangasek> ok
[17:37] <slangasek> I've seen this behavior on the main p-m run also
[17:37] <slangasek> and it's new and confusing behavior with the new code base
[17:38] <slangasek> every time I've seen it, it's been because of missing package builds
[17:38] <robru> slangasek: are you able to figure out why ubuntu-push is not considered? pitti asked that I enable verbose britney logging, so I did
[17:38] <robru> brb
[17:40] <slangasek> robru: the log unfortunately only shows that ubuntu-push is 'excluded' from the autopkgtest run.  looking at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-054/+packages, I'm fairly certain the cause is that ubuntu-push isn't built on arm64 and ppc64el, and britney is (rightly or wrongly) waiting for those builds
[17:42] <slangasek> robru: yes, this explains: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=ubuntu-push&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=vivid
[17:43] <slangasek> robru: the previous version of ubuntu-push was built successfully on arm64 and ppc64el, so this is a regression, which britney will never blindly ignore.  However, the fact that it doesn't report an /explanation/ on update_excuses for why the package is 'Not considered' is a regression introduced by pitti's code upgrade
[17:56] <robru> slangasek: ok thanks
[17:56] <robru> slangasek: is it a regression compared to the archive or compared to a previous build in the PPA though?
[17:57] <robru> slangasek: because the train status code checks if it's a regression against the archive and isn't reporting anything (ticket says 'Successfully built')
[17:58] <robru> slangasek: wait, what are you looking at? I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=ubuntu-push&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=vivid and I'm seeing that some old builds failed on some arches but many newer builds are built on all arches
[17:59] <robru> slangasek: oh you're saying the packages in the ticket ppa are a regression compared to the overlay ppa
[18:00] <robru> slangasek: so what's our move here? delete the packages from the overlay ppa? kick it back to landers to fix the regressions? do we care about those arches?
[18:03] <robru> bfiller: apparently your ubuntu-push has regressed on some arches ^
[18:05] <slangasek> robru: yes, the ticket ppa hasn't built the package for all architectures that the older version of the package was built for in the overlay ppa.  So the choices here are to either delete the old ppc64el,arm64 binaries from the overlay ppa, or fix the build of the new package
[18:06] <slangasek> robru: the fact that it's an "either/or" is why p-m isn't going to help you out here - p-m can only point out the inconsistency, not tell you what the right way is to resolve it for a given case
[18:06] <dobey> oh
[18:06] <dobey> the ubuntu-push merges are all wrong anyway
[18:06] <slangasek> robru: and I guess bileto should also know to check up-to-dateness vs. the overlay ppa, not just against the main archive
[18:07] <dobey> that silo is all wrong wrt ubuntu-push
[18:08] <dobey> robru: is that bfiller's silo? i only see artmello's name on it.
[18:12] <bfiller> robru: what is failing exactly on ubuntu-push?
[18:12] <dobey> bfiller: the MPs are not how ubuntu-push landings happen
[18:12] <dobey> for one
[18:13] <bfiller> dobey: it is now
[18:13] <dobey> bfiller: but ppc64el failed to build on vivid (i don't recall if there were successful arm64 builds on vivid before, but if so, then it failing is also part of the problem)
[18:13] <bfiller> dobey: we changed that
[18:13] <dobey> bfiller: eh? when?
[18:13] <bfiller> dobey: no more tarmac
[18:13] <bfiller> dobey: last week
[18:14] <bfiller> dobey: we are making MR's against trunk and landing in the same way we do other silos
[18:14] <robru> bfiller: dobey: the overlay PPA has successful builds on all arches
[18:14] <dobey> oh, and OLS are ok with that?
[18:15] <bfiller> dobey: OLS?
[18:15] <dobey> bfiller: yes, the online services team that owns the server
[18:16] <dobey> because lp:ubuntu-push is a mix of client and server code
[18:16] <bfiller> dobey: we told them, and my team now basically maintains the package and it's running on our jenkins instance so we want to be consistent with how we are doing everything else
[18:17] <dobey> because last time i suggested we should get rid of the /automatic branch a couple weeks ago, pedronis was saying it would require some work to make feasible, and there wasn't any time allocated to making it happen
[18:18] <bfiller> dobey: hmn, not aware of that, jgdx discussed with pedronis and afaik there were no issues
[18:18] <bfiller> dobey: in fact, there were major problems with automatic and tarmac - it was getting build deps live from upstream rather than ubuntu archive
[18:18] <dobey> because the whole reason for the complicated extra thing was because of the tree having both server and client code in it
[18:18] <bfiller> and the upstream repo is now gone
[18:19] <dobey> well that's a separate issue
[18:20] <bfiller> dobey, robru : so back to silo 54, what is the britney issue with autopackage test?
[18:21] <bfiller> assuming this converstation is related to that
[18:21] <dobey> bfiller: the issue is that it's missing binary builds
[18:21] <dobey> bfiller: ie, before this silo, pp64el and arm64 were building on vivid, and now in the silo, they fail to build
[18:21] <robru> bfiller: dobey is correct
[18:22] <dobey> or well, the tests failed at least, which means the packages failed to build
[18:23] <bfiller> robru: why is silo marked then as build passed? assumed these archs were not supported
[18:23] <robru> bfiller: yeah that's a good question
[18:23] <dobey> because someone didn't know what was going on and asked for it to be marked ready for qa even though it isn't
[18:24] <bfiller> dobey: no that is not true
[18:24] <dobey> why why else would it be marked ready? :)
[18:24] <bfiller> dobey: no one can change the Status line
[18:24] <dobey> i can change the QA Signoff right now
[18:24] <bfiller> dobey: do we know for sure those arches built previously?
[18:25] <dobey> yes
[18:25] <bfiller> dobey: I know that
[18:25] <dobey> they are in the archive
[18:25] <robru> dobey: the status specifically says 'Successfully built' which implies there are no arch build regressions
[18:25] <bfiller> dobey: saying the silo should not marke the build as Passed if known arches fail
[18:25] <robru> but britney is exploding over this arch build regression. I'm trying to figure out why the status doesn't report the regression
[18:25] <dobey> robru: oh, well i presume that is a bug
[18:26] <dobey> bfiller: sorry, terminoligy fail. read "passed" as relating to qa, not builds being built
[18:27] <dobey> err, terminology
[18:29] <robru> bfiller: ok I think I see what's happening.
[18:29] <robru> bfiller: the train status code is hard-coded to check main archive for arch regressions, so ubuntu-push in vivid archive only built on a subset of arches. so the ppa contents aren't a regression compared to vivid archive
[18:30] <robru> bfiller: but stable overlay somehow built on all arches, so the ppa is a regression compared to that. britney is failing on the regression compared to vivid overlay. the fact that the britney failure message is so useless is a bug
[18:31] <bfiller> robru: thanks for the explanation, so wonder which is correct? vivid archive or overlay?
[18:31] <dobey> and the fact that bileto isn't comparing to the target archive, is also a bug
[18:31] <robru> bfiller: well overlay is correct because that's what phones are using
[18:31] <dobey> bfiller: overlay is correct
[18:32] <bfiller> ok
[18:32] <bfiller> so we'll have to fix the tests then on those arches
[18:32] <robru> dobey: ISTR we changed this to be main_archive for a reason, but I can't remember so I'll switch it to dest
[18:33] <robru> bfiller: dobey: ok I pushed a fix, in about an hour you'll see the silo status change to 'Failed to build' and the lander approval will clear
[18:33] <dobey> robru: maybe to work around another bug, since it seems there are likely others, especially since main archive is hardcoded for some other things (ie, first dest in a ticket)
[18:34] <robru> dobey: no the first dest in a ticket thing is unrelated, that's just because there's no way to specify more than one dest for a ticket, so tickets with multiple dests had to be hardcoded.
[18:35] <dobey> robru: but was it previously trying to compare archs in overlay for the first dest in that case?
[18:35] <dobey> in which case it would not fail, because there are no archs in the overlay for the development release of ubuntu?
[18:36] <dobey> (just a wild associative guess at maybe why the change was there) :)
[18:36] <robru> dobey: no, there is a class that defines the behavior of packages, every instance of every package class has a 'dest' attribute that correctly represents an lp archive object, either main archive or overlay ppa. if a package wants to compare itself to it's correct destination it just has to reference 'self.dest'
[18:37] <dobey> oh ok
[18:37] <dobey> well comment hardcoded things next time so you'll know why :)
[18:37] <robru> dobey: more likely when we open a new release the overlay is empty for that release so we have to fall back on main_archive in that case. I should probably make it check dest first and then fall back on main_archive
[18:38] <dobey> oh ugh. this silo adds skipping of tests on some archs, though that wasn't needed before
[19:19] <robru> It begins...


[04:19] <pitti> Good morning
[04:23] <veebers> Morning pitti :-)
[05:26] <pitti> cjwatson, lamont, infinity: most of the virt builders are "cleaning", looks like they're stuck?
[05:28] <pitti> wgrant: ^ or maybe you know
[05:29] <wgrant> pitti: Let me see.
[05:29] <wgrant> That is rather broken indeed.
[05:30] <pitti> I'm going to put another big chunk of work on the buildds soon /me sighs at g++
[05:30] <wgrant> pitti: Ah, no, it's fine.
[05:30] <wgrant> Just lots of small kubuntu-ci builds.
[05:30] <pitti> and they don't manifest as an actual build, but as "cleaning"?
[05:31] <wgrant> (ubuntu-archive-tools' "manage-builders -v" is informative here; it whines when things are stuck for more than a few minutes)
[05:31] <wgrant> kubuntu-ci has a lot of small builds starting at the same time.
[05:31] <wgrant> So they all finish quickly, and leave a lot of builders cleaning at the same time, so they queue a bit.
[05:31] <pitti> wgrant: ah, ok; thanks for checking!
[05:31] <pitti> cjwatson, lamont, infinity: unping then ^
[05:32] <wgrant> https://lpstats.canonical.com/graphs/BuildersActiveVirtual/20150810/20150811/ <- suddenly a queue from nowhere.
[05:32] <wgrant> We can possibly increase the reset concurrency a bit now, but it's very rarely a problem like this.
[05:32] <wgrant> And this'll resolve itself in maybe 10 minutes.
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <darkxst> jdstrand, thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1466290/comments/13? core GNOME is pretty blocked on this and feature freeze is fast approaching
[08:04] <doko> pitti, do you care about http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/apport/wily/amd64/
[08:04] <pitti> doko: yes, I do; I just fixed one regression, looking at the other right now
[08:05] <pitti> doko: related to the first one -- is it really intended to have /usr/bin/gcc-5 instead of /usr/bin/gcc-5.2 ?
[08:05] <pitti> doko: (it's one of the issues that hold up binutils and gcc-5)
[08:06] <pitti> lintian also ought to be fixed now
[08:06] <pitti> (didn't run yet)
[08:07] <doko> pitti, yes, next major release will be 6.x
[08:12] <highvoltage> win 26
[09:03] <doko> Laney, pitti: could you work on more "binNMU's" today?
[09:04] <pitti> doko: I could; I'm currently working on finishing some transitions that we started in Ubuntu, resolving FTBFS etc.
[09:04] <pitti> not sure what is more urgent
[09:04] <Laney> going to look at the state soon
[09:04] <doko> good as well
[09:05] <Laney> I'm working on a deduplication script for the tracker atm
[09:05] <doko> looks like slangasek wants to force gcc-5 and gcc-defaults to -release tonight to see what else migrates
[09:07] <pitti> ah, my merged lintian passes again \o/, that should unblock another 4 packages
[09:08] <pitti> doko: doing a final test run of apport, then uploading this; should unblock binutils and gdb
[09:09]  * pitti runs for some errands while this runs
[09:12] <pitti> doko: right, this should flush quite some things, e. g. gcc5 -> mozjs24 -> {gjs,cjs} (and presumably much more)
[09:12] <pitti> from a quick look, all teh regressions in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gcc-5 also appear somewhere else (where they are better to track)
[09:16] <doko> pitti, I'm working with kubuntu to get the kde related things done. however there are four others: ruby-re2 libwx-scintilla-perl gprbuild freecad
[09:16] <doko> now afk, going back home with the train
[09:20] <ricotz> pitti, hey :), some likely important packages which aren't on that list: scribus, vlc
[09:22] <pitti> doko: I'm already looking on freecad
[09:23] <pitti> doko: ruby-re2 needs transition of re2, I can NMU to Debian/sync/re-build in Ubuntu
[09:23] <pitti> please use the pad -- tracking on IRC is too hard
[09:25] <pitti> doko: adding re2 for me
[10:04] <pitti> ricotz: scribus and vlc don't have autopkgtests; doko's list was regressions from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gcc-5 which aren't KDE-ish
[10:40] <Mirv> seeing libcolumbus1v5 rename brigs me the memory that no-one has really combed the libraries that are actually deprecated and not in use anymore... there's cruft from earlier phone efforts in the archives
[10:40] <pitti> Mirv: please do let us know which ones we can just remove
[10:41] <Mirv> yeah, worth doing so
[10:41] <Mirv> let me think a bit and see if I come up with any that I can verify
[11:04] <Mirv> pitti: ok I've some 15 source packages now collected.. made a pad for it: http://pad.ubuntu.com/drop-obsolete-phone-packages
[11:04] <Mirv> sil2100: can you check the above too? ^ and say if something seems not to be removed from archives in wily
[11:06] <Mirv> pete-woods: are libcolumbus, unity-voice and libdbusmenu-qt to be continued to be used on 16.04 LTS unity 7 desktop?
[11:06] <pete-woods> Mirv: unity-voice technically isn't used any more
[11:06] <pete-woods> but the others are
[11:06] <pitti> Mirv: thanks! will process once sil2100 signs off
[11:06] <pete-woods> unity-voice has a dependency, though
[11:06] <pete-woods> so would need to remove that from HUD first
[11:07] <pete-woods> then you will also get space savings from the voice definition files
[11:07] <Mirv> pete-woods: yes, I noticed I've unity-voice installed on my desktop
[11:07] <pete-woods> Mirv: it's not used, because there is no UI to invoke the voice recognition any more
[11:08] <pete-woods> after HUD was pulled from the phone
[11:09] <Mirv> pete-woods: thanks for the explanation! so some benefit could be had by at least dropping the dependency. I filed bug #1483210 now.
[11:09] <pete-woods> Mirv: thanks
[11:11]  * sil2100 looks
[11:21] <Laney> can anyone see why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/2:9.10.2-2822639-1ubuntu2/+build/7763199 happens?
[11:22] <pitti> Laney: hm, seems to work in my amd64 -proposed chroot
[11:22] <pitti> "apt-get build-dep open-vm-tools", I mean
[11:23] <Laney> right, I tried sbuilding it
[11:50] <cjwatson> Laney: open-vm-tools is in main, the mentioned build-deps are in universe
[11:50] <cjwatson> ... and with that, holiday
[11:50] <Laney> huh
[11:51] <Laney> Oh, there was a new upstream release waiting in proposed already
[11:51] <Laney> I had subconsiously discounted that due to it only being a no-change rebuild
[11:51] <Laney> utlemming: ^^^ any chance you could take a look at that?
[12:06] <apw> xack
[13:36] <pitti> infinity: why is fisher03 on manual?
[13:36] <pitti> (asking because we could really use some more ppc64el horsepower)
[13:36] <pitti> I just retried to revive denneed04, let's see how it goes
[13:42] <pitti> apw: cheers
[13:46] <pitti> apw: want to do another one?
[13:47] <pitti> Mirv: does this happen to tell anything to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12048072/
[13:47] <pitti> Mirv: I just added a change to add -fPIC to the CXXFLAGS, which apparently was respected (as it appears in the c++ line now), but I'm still getting that error
[13:58] <apw> pitti, damn, so much of this is pending for lack of build resources, gah
[13:58] <pitti> Mirv: ah, it seems this error message is utterly confusing; it rather objects to being built with -fPIE it seems
[13:58] <pitti>     (!defined(__PIC__) || (defined(__PIE__) && defined(Q_CC_GNU) && Q_CC_GNU >= 500))
[13:58] <pitti> so Qt does not want to be built with -fPIE on gcc > 5
[13:59] <pitti> apw: that too; it's annoying to see updates on the trackers and when waiting for retrying/uploading followup transitions, but so far there's still enough first-level stuff to do :/
[13:59] <Mirv> pitti: ..yes, so I think this is the last change that went into 5.4.2 we luckily had before the GCC5 transition began: http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=3eca75de67b3fd2c890715b30c7899cebc096fe9
[13:59] <pitti> Mirv: hm, that commit description is equally wrong/confusing then
[14:00] <pitti> or maybe it *is* the intention, then the code is wrong?
[14:00] <pitti> Mirv: so should I drop -fPIE from gnuplot5?
[14:02] <Mirv> pitti: yes it seems they do want to ban the usage of -fPIE
[14:02] <pitti> too bad, it's quite nice for ASLR
[14:02] <Mirv> on x86 only, to be exact, since reduce relocations (-Bsymbolic) is only used on x86 with Qt
[14:03] <pitti> Mirv: oh right, it actually does build on any !x86 arch: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnuplot5/5.0.1+dfsg1-2build1
[14:04] <pitti> Mirv: but it's impractical to drop this by-arch, as a package like gnuplot can't know on which arches we enabled -Bsymbolic
[14:04]  * pitti tries to drop it from all arches then
[14:05] <Mirv> pitti: yes, and the upstream might change to enable it for other archs too but there's a binutils bug on armhf that was thought to be fixed but isn't so it's currently as it is
[14:05] <Mirv> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-47350
[14:06] <Mirv> we did have -reduce-relocation explicitly set at one point but with Qt 5.4 upgrade it caused Unity 8 to show black screen on arm because of this buggy behavior, so now we accept what upstream defaults to
[14:07] <pitti> Mirv: ack, thanks for the pointers!
[14:10] <Mirv> pitti: you're welcome! I'm happy I battled with Qt 5.4.2 in June without anyone specifically asking for it, since now this problem was largely resolved before GCC5 transition began. GCC5's painful enough as it currently stands.
[14:10] <pitti> wah, wah, wah, still doesn't build
[14:10] <pitti> and why on earth is it so utterly hard to actually find the error message in a build log
[14:14] <pitti> Mirv: hm, I patched out the addition of -fPIE in configure.in and configure, but it still creeps in; might that come from some pkg-config stuff from Qt itself?
[14:15] <pitti> "grep -r fPIE" is empty now
[14:15] <pitti> (and so is "fpie")
[14:19] <Mirv> pitti: hardening flags? see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+changelog
[14:21] <pitti> Mirv: ah!
[14:23] <pitti> Mirv: ok, one step further, but it's *still* there
[14:24] <pitti> actually, it's not
[14:24] <pitti> Mirv: oh! so I *do* need to use -fPIC, but must not use -fPIE
[14:24] <Mirv> pitti: yes!
[14:25] <pitti> but that is wrong
[14:25] <pitti> PIC isn't for executables
[14:25] <pitti> that's PIE
[14:27] <Mirv> I thought PIC was superset of PIE, but I'm not really knowledgeable at that level
[14:28] <pitti> I thought PIC -> shlibs, PIE -> exes
[14:33] <pitti> finally!
[14:33] <pitti> thanks Mirv, builds at last
[14:35] <Mirv> no problem
[14:53] <davmor2> pitti: ofcourse PIE is not for executable PIE is for eating hmmmmm PIE!!!!
[14:56] <pitti> davmor2: it's summer! "pie" is spelt "ice cream" now.
[14:57] <tdaitx> pitti, you might have seen these already, but I found a couple link that might help: http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/plain/dist/changes-5.4.2 https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-45755 https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65886
[14:57] <davmor2> pitti: Baked Alaska is still PIE
[14:58] <pitti> tdaitx: thanks; the "changes" is quite useful (it's what the git commit Mirv pointed to did)
[15:00] <tdaitx> hmm... right, I missed that one
[15:01] <tdaitx> although the Changelog itself does add that "Applications using qmake or cmake >= 2.8.12 as their build system will adapt automatically. Applications using an older release of cmake in combination with GCC 5.x need to change their CMakeLists.txt to add Qt5Core_EXECUTABLE_COMPILE_FLAGS to CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS. In particular, applications using cmake >= 2.8.9 and < 2.8.11 will continue to build with the -fPIE option and invoke the special compatibility mode
[15:01] <tdaitx> if using GCC 4.x."
[15:04] <infinity> pitti: Because I forgot I was working on it.  D'oh.  Fixing.
[15:08] <tdaitx> pitti, btw, thanks for the fixing the Changelog of the 2 ftbfs fixes I made the other week... one question: what is the right procedure to add those links when creating the debdiff? at added the debdiff at the time I created the LP bug and used submittodebian to create the bug at debian... seems like I should first create the bugs and only then attach the patches, right?
[15:08] <pitti> tdaitx: you can do that, but adding the bug refs as a sponsor isn't a big deal
[15:08] <pitti> tdaitx: creating an LP bug is instant, so doing that, and re-doing the debdiff is simple
[15:09] <pitti> tdaitx: the Debian BTS is a much worse beast and there are some delays involved
[15:09] <tdaitx> indeed
[15:09] <infinity> The only real delay is greylisting.
[15:09] <infinity> Use the BTS often enough, and it's delay-free.
[15:09] <infinity> So, obviously, file more bugs!
[15:09] <tdaitx> sweet
[15:09] <tdaitx> =)
[16:25] <Riddell> ricotz: ping, you rebuild openconnect?
[16:25] <Riddell> I need it rebuilt for plasma-nm, do you know the status of that in the ubuntu archive?
[16:42] <ricotz> Riddell, how do you mean? the -proposed pocket doesnt provide a rebuild yet, feel free push one
[17:07] <Odd_Bloke> arges: I mistakenly "fixed" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1381776 in trusty when it actually only appears in precise.
[17:08] <Odd_Bloke> arges: But there isn't actually an impact on the installed package, so can we let that through and fix the needlessly added dependency in the next SRU?
[17:09] <Odd_Bloke> arges: (As in, the package is determined as a dependency by debhelper's Python stuff, so the requirements of the package haven't changed, just the Build-Depends)
[17:10] <arges> Odd_Bloke: so if it isn't needed in trusty why not just fail the -proposed version and then when the next upload comes along we just overwrite it
[17:11] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Would we be able to expedite getting that in to the archive and out of -proposed?  We've got another SRU that we want to do that is fairly time-critical.
[17:11] <Odd_Bloke> arges: (But contains big enough changes that trying to verify everything all at once would have been painful)
[17:12] <arges> Odd_Bloke: we can overwrite the current version in proposed. Does it just contain that one fix?
[17:13] <Odd_Bloke> arges: The version in -proposed fixes three bugs; the only change needed to that package would be to fix this problem.
[17:13] <Odd_Bloke> (Well, fixes 2 bugs and this non-bug)
[17:14] <arges> Odd_Bloke: ok in that case verifying #1464253 and then 'verifying' 1381776 would help (perhaps comment on how its a non-bug fix and what your plan is in the next upload)
[17:17] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Ack, thanks.  Both of those bugs are now verified.
[17:19] <arges> Odd_Bloke: another helpful thing would be to ensure all development tasks are marked either 'invalid' or 'fix released'
[17:19] <arges> at least for bug 1381776
[17:20] <Odd_Bloke> arges: So that should reflect the status in the development release (i.e. not a problem)?
[17:21] <arges> Odd_Bloke: yea so if its not a bug in development its probably 'invalid' or if its already fixed 'fix released'
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Ack, will make sure I do that in future.
[17:22] <arges> Odd_Bloke: np
[17:23] <arges> Odd_Bloke: ok so just to confirm cloud-init in precise/trusty/vivid can be released, then you'll upload a new one here soon for the next update
[17:24] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Yep, they are all ready for release.
[17:24] <arges> ok
[17:24] <Odd_Bloke> And I will start preparing the new SRU tomorrow morning.
[17:24] <Odd_Bloke> (As I'm about to EOD)
[17:27] <arges> ok
[17:46] <israeldahl> Hi, is there anyway to make PowerPC debs in a PPA?  I don't think I am allowed to manually upload them.
[17:49] <teward> not an expert but i don't think so...?
[17:49] <maxb> That's more a question for #launchpad, but there are no virtualized PPC builders, so you'd need a PPA enabled to use non-virtual builders, which I *think* is only an option for people employed by Canonical for security reasons
[17:50] <israeldahl> thanks guys...
[17:50] <israeldahl> is the other option to create a repository then?
[18:44] <infinity> mterry: Hah, nice clash on the lxd MIR. :)
[18:44] <infinity> mterry: I guess now it's REALLY assigned to ubuntu-security.
[18:44] <infinity> Twice!
[18:46] <mterry> infinity, hah  :)
[19:07] <doko> hmm, after today's updates, my mouse cursor on the wily-proposed desktop disappears after some time
[19:07] <doko> Laney, seb128: ^^^ any idea?
[19:07] <seb128> not really no, sorry
[19:31] <tjaalton> doko: try a VT switch and back, or suspend/resume cycle
[19:32] <doko> tjaalton, vt switch didn't help. will try suspend/resume next time
[20:01] <doko> jamespage, smoser: mongodb ping ... you last updated the package in 2014 ...
[20:03] <smoser> doko, you're pinging because its ftbfs ?
[20:04] <doko> smoser, yes
[20:04] <doko> smoser, and we need it for the transition
[20:05] <smoser> i'll poke and see if we cant get someone to look at it.
[20:06] <doko> smoser, ok, I'll upload a workaround to not build with -Werror
[20:07] <smoser> ok. and then we'll try to drop taht in another upload.
[20:10] <doko> smoser, juju-mongodb needs attention too
[20:10] <smoser> ok. thanks.
[20:10] <doko> smoser, open-vm-tools too
[20:11] <doko> smoser, and ceph
[20:12] <smoser> you have a comprehensive list ?
[20:13] <doko> smoser, see slangasek's email to ubuntu-devel (and there are the various ruby packages in dep-wait status which need resolving)
[20:15] <smoser> k
[20:20] <Logan> could someone please help me figure out what's going wrong with this build? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aqsis/1.8.2-1ubuntu1 I can't find a specific error message in the log...
[20:20] <Logan> the same upload built perfectly fine in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~logan/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-tweak/+build/7778391
[20:22] <Logan> oh right, it's the parse error again
[20:41] <doko> smoser, LP: #1482777 needs bug subscribers, and filed LP: #1483400 for mongodb. the ceph ftbfs is LP: #1483403
[20:45] <smoser> thank you
[21:12] <smoser> anyone want to guess what would do this ?
[21:12] <smoser> please
[21:12] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12051576/
[21:13] <smoser> for some reason the while loop there just does not read the second line.
[21:14] <slangasek> smoser: any chance that 'sudo cat /proc/net/route' gives different results? :)
[21:15] <doko> smoser, configured open-vm-tools without xmlsecurity and xerces support, seems to build
[21:15] <sarnold> smoser: how repeatable is that? it looks fine, runs fine on my system..
[21:16] <smoser> slangasek, no different
[21:16] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12051601/
[21:16] <smoser> well, this system keeps repeating it.
[21:18] <doko> barry, 3.5 related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox-support/+bug/1483410
[21:18] <barry> doko: ack
[21:19] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12051630/
[21:20] <smoser> slangasek, take a look at that.. .very odd. they're the same contetns. but behave differnetly.
[21:21] <slangasek> smoser: what are you meaning to show with that pastebin? you seem to be showing everything *except* the output of 'sudo cat /proc/net/route'
[21:39] <smoser> slangasek, ? cat /proc/net/route at the bottom
[21:39] <smoser> everything there is done as non-root
[21:40] <smoser> so it took the root suggestion out of the picture, but it didnt matter anyway.
[21:40] <slangasek> smoser: oh, because you see the same misbehavior even when running as non-root, check
[21:44] <slangasek> smoser: so it's gotta be either a kernel bug or a dash bug.  What does strace look like?
[21:46] <barry> slangasek: how terrible will it be to MIR libgeos-dev?  i'm more or less stuck between three not so great options for getting django buildable in wily.  libgeos-dev to main seems like the least painful option.  otherwise it's try to try to backport a huge diff from upstream (not sure it will apply and build to our version), or pull in django 1.8.3 from experimental, but i'm really not sure i want to start a django transition right now
[21:46] <barry> too :/  thoughts?
[21:47] <slangasek> barry: it seems like a reasonably self-contained library dep, shouldn't be too horrible IMHO?  But you probably want the MIR team's input
[21:49] <barry> maybe doko can weigh in?
[21:52] <doko> barry, but it doesn't build python bindings?
[21:52] <barry> doko: no, django's test suite uses it via ctypes
[21:53] <barry> the problem is, test discovery works differently on py2 and py3, and the latter picks up gis tests that py2 doesn't pick up.  but you can't just add some test skips because its during discovery that modules get imported which hit libgeos-dev
[21:54] <doko> Changes in 3.4.2
[21:54] <doko> 2013-08-25
[21:54] <doko> seems to be dead upstream
[21:56] <doko> https://github.com/libgeos/libgeos
[21:56] <barry> looks like they've got some recent-ish changes there
[21:56] <doko> but some activity at https://github.com/libgeos/libgeos/commits/svn-trunk
[21:57] <doko> yeah, no release. well, look at the other criteria for a MIR ...
[21:58] <barry> cross pocket b-ds bite again :/
[21:59] <barry> well, if mir of libgeos-dev is unlikely, we might just be stuck with a broken django stack for now
[22:00] <barry> i guess another option is to just ignore test failures for django
[22:12] <sarnold> just how bad is pulling in 1.8.3? iirc django is important to maas, openstack, probably elsewhere, and breaking those doesn't sound fun
[22:43] <infinity> smoser: Is that weird /proc behaviour in a namespace (ie: a container) by any chance?
[22:44] <infinity> smoser: Oh, no.  I can reproduce it here in my base system on my laptop.
[22:44] <infinity> WTF.
[22:46] <sarnold> I wondered if it might have anything to do with read block sizes, so I tried dd with different bs, but the 14 or 15 tests I ran all gave identical results on my computer
[22:46] <sarnold> for i in 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128<PHONE_NUMBER> 4096 8192 ; do dd if=/proc/net/route of=$i bs=$i ; done
[22:47] <infinity> I don't see any fishy non-printable chars in the file, which was my first guess.
[22:48] <infinity> Well, my second guess.  My first guess is the kernel just flat out not giving you that line in a pipe.  Which seems like the only plausible answer right now.
[22:48] <infinity> sarnold: You say it doesn't break for you?
[22:48] <infinity> sarnold: Do you have a default gateway on the machine you're trying on (that seems to be the line both smoser and I are missing)
[22:49] <sarnold> infinity: yeah, I do have a default gateway
[22:49] <sarnold> interesting...
[22:49] <sarnold> 3.13.0-57-generic here
[22:49] <infinity> 4.1.whatever here.
[22:50] <infinity> 4.1.0-3-generic
[22:50] <cyphermox> you're missing a default gateway?!
[22:50] <infinity> cyphermox: No.
[22:50] <infinity> cyphermox: Only when reading proc with a pipe.
[22:50] <cyphermox> ok
[22:50] <cyphermox> well, obviously, since you're online :P
[22:50] <infinity> cyphermox: Compare:
[22:50] <infinity> sh -c 'while read line; do echo line: $line; done' < /proc/net/route
[22:50] <infinity> cat /proc/net/route
[22:51] <infinity> And witness the bizarre missing line.
[22:51] <cyphermox> ah, interesting
[22:51] <sarnold> cyphermox: you too?
[22:51] <cyphermox> yeah
[22:51] <sarnold> o_O
[22:52] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12052232/
[22:54] <cyphermox> 4.1.0-2-generic
[22:54] <infinity> Yep, same missing line.
[22:54] <infinity> It's always either the first route or the default.  Hard to say, since they're the first route on all the test systems.
[22:55] <cyphermox> it's also the one you're most likely to care about :)
[22:55] <infinity> smoser: Have you seen this on a stable kernel, or just on wily?
[22:55]  * infinity tests 4.2.
[22:56] <sarnold> how about "cat < /proc/net/route" ?
[22:56] <cyphermox> correct
[22:56] <infinity> sarnold: That's fine.
[22:58] <sarnold> gah. that hurts my head.
[23:03] <infinity> Same issue on 4.2, *and* confirmation that it's the default route.
[23:04] <infinity> Cause my machine came up with two defaults (on eth0 and wlan0), and both are removed from the piped list.
[23:04] <infinity> Weeeeeird.
[23:04] <infinity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12052314/
[23:05] <infinity> apw: WTF is wrong with your kernel? :)
[23:07] <doko> tjaalton, no, suspend/restore doesn't help either
[23:23] <infinity> Bah.  Literally identical set of packages installed, still no failure.  Not we're in the realm of the bizarre.
[23:23] <infinity> Err, wrong window.
[23:48] <smoser> infinity, i have only ever seen that today
[23:49] <smoser> running on 4.1.0-2-generic
[23:49] <smoser> linux-image-4.1.0-2-generic
[23:49]  * smoser reboots taht system to -3 to see if it goes away
[23:50] <infinity> smoser: It's still broken in 4.1-3 and 4.2
[23:50] <infinity> smoser: Was curious if it was alright under 3.19 and earlier.
[23:50] <infinity> (sarnold says it's fine on 3.13)
[23:50] <infinity> Though, he also has different userspace, which is less helpful.
[23:50] <smoser> yeah, mine is not user namespace
[23:51] <infinity> No, neither was mine.  I got past that theory. :)
[23:53]  * smoser files a bug


[09:19] <doctormo> mpt: Did the text filename option in nautilus disapear in lucid?
[09:26] <mpt> doctormo, I don't know what that is, sorry
[09:26] <doctormo> If you don't know then it must have been upstream
[09:27] <mpt> Not necessarily, it might have been a papercut
[09:34] <doctormo> Posted a new bug report about it anyway, since copying the dir location onto clipboard is used in multiple workflows.
[12:00] <AnAnt> Hello, there is an app. (which uses notification area), that app generates the icon in the notification area, is that possible to be done if the app switches to using App Indicator ?
[20:44] <kklimonda> so, why there is an empty space next to the status widget in empathy? there is supposed to be an "edit accounts" button or something but it's not - one can click empty space and get to the dialog..
[20:45] <kklimonda> ah, I have a bug number


[01:41] <apetrescu> Not much action in this here channel, eh? =P
[05:55] <leonel> are somebody working on icetea for ubuntu ?
[05:55] <leonel> or making  openjdk  work in ubuntu like  icetea >
[05:56] <leonel> ?
[06:14] <tmarble> leonel: yes man-di over on FreeNode #debian-java is working these things for Debian....
[06:14] <tmarble> and i'm going to be working on OpenJDK for Debian/Ubuntu (in general)
[06:14] <leonel> tmarble:  If I can help  ... let me know
[06:17] <tmarble> leonel: are you a MOTU?
[06:17] <leonel> motu wannabe :)
[06:17] <tmarble> like me :)
[06:18] <leonel> i'm learning  to merge  and patch  packages in universe   always  sponsored
[06:18] <leonel> working now patching  clamav
[06:19] <tmarble> perhaps the main thing, now, is to track the mailing list: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.openjdk.distro-packaging.devel/5  -- you can subscribe at: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/
[06:19] <tmarble> you will see a post by David Herron that highlights the differences in Fedora vs. Debian conventions on jar naming... that's certainly one issue
[06:20] <tmarble> another issue is a fairly new version of gcj is required -- the version in feisty does *not* work... i haven't checked gutsy or what's in debian upstream recently, however
[07:01] <man-di> tmarble: my stuff works on recent enough Ubuntu too ;-)
[07:02] <man-di> tmarble: I have the same problems as you, class not found exception
[08:52] <tmarble> man-di: it's tricky to debug because of the possible runtimes used (well, it's the bootstrap runtime) and the XML library (is it inside the runtime somewhere?)
[09:22] <man-di> tmarble: xalan should be on the classpath, not inside the runtime, afaik
[09:23] <tmarble> ok


[00:14] <at2500> meine numlock led funktioniert bei meiner ps/2 tastatur schon länger nicht mehr, jetzt hat die tastatur angefangen, bullshit zu machen wir plötzlich einfach nicht mehr zu funktionieren oder bei w hängenzubleiben auch wenn ich die tastatur ausstecke. angesteckte usbtastatur läuft, aber die numlock led ist falschrum. unter windows geht die tastatur und die num led einwandfrei. es hängt auch nicht vom kernel (32,35,37) ab. was ist
[00:14] <at2500> kaputt?
[00:14] <FloodBotK1> at2500: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:15] <Snowhog> !de | at2500
[00:15] <Pici> !de |  at2500
[00:19] <at2500> my problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/542863/
[00:24] <joan> What text procesor is better for KDE integration?
[00:26] <Snowhog> joan: If you want simple, Kate, and it's installed in Kubuntu by default.
[00:27] <joan> I need for odt
[00:27] <joan> Like OpenOffice
[00:27] <joan> but better integration
[00:27] <yofel> kword then (part of koffice)
[00:28] <Junaos> Personally, I think OpenOffice integrates better than KWord.
[00:29] <Snowhog> You could also consider libreoffice - http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/
[00:32] <bdizzle> hi, I keep having issues connecting to a couple of networks via IRC, yet I can run them just fine from the web interface
[00:33] <bdizzle> could someone help me out with Konversation?
[00:33] <bdizzle> I haven't had this issue before and I'd really like it to start working again
[00:35] <joan> I'ts posible to install
[00:35] <joan> ubuntu one in KDE?
[00:42] <joan> It's posible to install Ubuntu One in KDE?
[00:43] <Snowhog> joan: Yes. From a console type: sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client
[00:46] <at2500> i'm having keyboard  problems http://paste.ubuntu.com/542863/
[00:56] <jschall> i've yet to find a plasmoid that was worth putting on my desktop/workspace. any suggestions?
[00:58] <Snowhog> jschall: That's strictly a personal choice. I leave my desktop clean of anything - by choice.
[00:59] <jschall> Snowhog: that's kind of how i am, but i've tried quite a lot and most of them end up failing somehow - for example, anything that fetches information from the internet tends to fail when you're not connected to the internet, and then when the system does get connected, they don't figure that out and fix themselves.
[01:05] <claydoh> I use folderview  and sometimes the picture frame, and weather. seldom have troubles when not connected/reconnect
[01:06] <claydoh> o0h, and the Boxee remote I used to use before I got a proper remote control dongle
[01:09] <claydoh> ^^^ to control Boxee on my htpc from my laptop
[01:17] <joan> It's posible to install Ubuntu One in KDE?
[01:17] <joan> Don't work well
[01:19] <valorie> it's possible, but you're right, it doesn't work well
[01:19] <valorie> ubuntuone devels sort of shot down our KDE implementation
[01:20] <joan> I see
[01:20] <joan> alpha for KDE in google
[01:20] <valorie> it awaits another devel
[01:20] <joan> but the repo die
[01:20] <valorie> right
[01:22] <valorie> it's sad; I wanted to use ubuntuone
[01:22] <valorie> this time around I didn't even bother to install it
[01:40] <soreau> !k3b
[01:41] <soreau> Ok so I'm lost. That page give little info and neither does http://userbase.kde.org/K3b
[01:42] <soreau> I just want to burn an avi file to dvd with any program under linux. I figured k3b would do the trick but it gives an error that it cannot determine final size and fails
[02:25] <ubuntu4shane> ok, I think a simple question, I want to put a background in Dolphin file manager.
[02:26] <ubuntu4shane> like a texture, or a color, white looks plain, is this possible?
[02:41] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[02:42] <phoenix_firebrd> can anyone check and tell me if bluetooth works properly in kubuntu 10.10
[02:42] <phoenix_firebrd> mine is not working properly
[02:44] <phoenix_firebrd> i reinstalled bluedevil, installed the latest bluez, still bluetooth works randomly. checked with 2 mobiles and 2 bluetooth dongles same problem
[03:02] <ubuntu4shane> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not sure if this will help much, bu tmine was crashing on Ubuntu with gnome desktop too, I think it is a bluetooth prob
[03:03] <ubuntu4shane> I mean a package issue.
[03:10] <draik> Hello everyone
[03:10] <draik> I've had this issue for a while, but not known the solution yet.
[03:11] <draik> I keep getting "Invalid URL" when going to different sites. Regardless of the browser, it will either show "Invalid URL" or a page with the CSS lacking.
[03:11] <draik> NO solution appears to be documented anywhere about this
[03:11] <draik> I am on a different computer and I don't get this issue
[03:12] <draik> Both computers are on the same network; wired, too (if that matters).
[03:14] <ubuntu4shane> draik: not many people around tonight, that is strange, is the network setup correctly on the kubuntu install?
[03:15] <ubuntu4shane> I'm a complete noob to kde stuff, not new to Linux, but kubuntu is pretty foreign to me, so not sure I can be of much help
[03:16] <draik> ubuntu4shane: No worries. Yes, it is setup just fine. This happens from time to time. The only so-called solution is restarting the computer. I also restart the 'nscd' service, but that doesn't do it for me like it seems to have worked for others.
[03:17] <draik> ...and now it all works
[03:17] <ubuntu4shane> draik: hmm, I'm not sure I have used Ubuntu for a long time and never run into that, oodd.
[03:17] <draik> It's a nuisance (sp?), really.
[03:18] <ubuntu4shane> I'm sure, only thing I could recommend is to try out wicd, that is what I have used for years for my network stuff, and it works like a charm
[03:18] <ubuntu4shane> !wicd
[03:19] <ubuntu4shane> well, wicd is a network manager replacement, if the bug is in network manager, using wicd would avoid it.
[03:20] <draik> That's just it. This only came about as of 10.10 or 10.04 (can't really recall right now, but it was this year)
[03:26] <Guest93861> alo
[03:27] <draik> ...and now it's back :(
[03:49] <shcherbak> How to disable/edit silly "glow" around active window in KDE?
[06:29] <reisi> shcherbak: system settings -> desktop -> desktop effects i believe
[07:02] <eagles0513875> hey guys im on 64bit maverick and i am trying to install the openoffice.org dependencies so i can get the new LibreOffice fork compiled
[07:03] <eagles0513875> yet when it tries to install the dependencies its telling me a number of them have not been met
[07:03] <eagles0513875> tried -f install and same thing
[07:05] <bigbrovar> has anyone installed amarok 2.4 on kubuntu 10.10 without having to update to kde 4.6 beta 2
[07:22] <ko2> hello, could someone help me with this question: http://dpaste.com/285764/
[07:25] <tilted_mind1> how do I configure a keyboard shortcut to switch workplaces?
[07:26] <valorie> bigbrovar: I have GIT installed, with KDE 4.5.4
[07:26] <sqwertle> tilted_mind1: There is probably an easier way but compiz will allow you to do that
[07:26] <valorie> I don't think that is even necessary
[07:27] <tilted_mind1> sqwertle:  do I have to make a choice between compiz and plasma?
[07:57] <Abhish> compiz and plasma are two different layers.
[07:58] <Abhish> Compiz does fancy special effects. Plasma is a widget layer that handles your desktop, task bar, and other desktop UI elements.
[08:15] <kub> this is a test
[08:16] <kub> ok cu later
[08:16] <ko2> hello
[08:16] <ko2> how can i get to the composite settings?
[08:16] <ko2> i want to switch the effects on/off
[08:20] <valorie> ko2: systemsettings
[08:20] <ko2>  I searched for COMPOSITE in the menu, but composite does NOT exist in Hardy heron (=8.04). It exists since 8.10 i think!
[08:21] <ko2> i have to modify the kwin effects
[08:21] <Abhish> System Settings>Desktop Effects
[08:26] <sresu> I've a compressed file .rar of a podcast which are in parts as in part1.rar till part4.rar. But every file extracted doesn't work individually. Neither .rar files nor the podcast files(.ogg) are corrupt. How should I run it? Should I extract all the files in sequence to one as indivaidually its not working? Or how?
[08:29] <ko2> is it able to have compisiting and compiz both installed?
[08:32] <Abhish> Compiz is the thing that does the compositing.
[08:33] <ko2> and kwin compsites too
[08:36] <Abhish> Ah, I think different compositing systems will fight.
[08:41] <amichair> sresu_: you put all of the rar parts together, and extract the first part (usually it has a .rar extension, but maybe it's the part1.rar file) - and the extracter should pick up the rest of the parts
[08:42] <sresu_> amichair: How will it know when to stop? How does it follow te sequence?
[08:42] <ko2> where can i see which kde version i have? in adept?
[08:42] <ko2> in adept i have kdebase-bin-kde3 installed (version 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2)
[08:46] <valorie> ko2 -- simple way is to check the Help section in any KDE app
[08:46] <valorie> Help > About KDE
[08:54] <amichair> sresu: I don't know technically how it works - probably some indication in the rar format headers that there are additional parts (or total size is seen greater than available data in first part)... but the point is, it's handled automatically and you don't need to process the subsequent parts manually
[08:57] <amichair> sresu: and with or without parts, it has its own checksumming mechanism so it can tell if anything is missing or invalid
[08:59] <seicherlbob> hi! I'm running Kubuntu Karmic (9.10) with KDE 4.3.2. It looks like there was a Kontact/Kmail update, since then KMail is no longer integrated into Kontacts Window, but instead shows in a separate Windows. I could not find a Setting to disable this behaviour. Can anyone help me with that, its really annoying.
[09:07] <ko2> i have a "Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)". Can i update that in Kubuntu Hardy Heron with adept?
[09:09] <valorie> seicherlbob: any reason in particular you are running such an old version of Kub.?
[09:09] <seicherlbob> valorie: never change a running system
[09:10] <seicherlbob> valorie: actually, "I'll do it tomorrow"
[09:10] <valorie> haha
[09:10] <amichair> seicherlbob: then don't change your drivers, either :-P
[09:10] <oyster> hi
[09:11] <oyster> is there a  good guide on ncmpcpp for noobs?
[09:11] <seicherlbob> amichair: my drivers? i guess they are not responsible for the kmail issue i have.
[09:11] <reisi> seicherlbob: running .10 does not sound a particulary good idea, especially if you are using it for desktop stuff
[09:11] <reisi> seicherlbob: running old .10 ...
[09:11] <amichair> seicherlbob: oh sorry, mixed up the nicks :-)
[09:11] <seicherlbob> amichair: np
[09:12] <seicherlbob> reisi: yeah, but it used to work well until i started the  machine yesterday (or the other day)
[09:14] <seicherlbob> reisi: so i should just update to 10.4 LTS? because my kmail annoyes me?
[09:15] <sresu_> amichair: Sorry I lost connection before. About unrar x command. How will it know when to stop? How does it follow the sequence? Is .partx.rar extension required or only .rar is sufficient?
[09:15] <amichair> sresu: I don't know technically how it works - probably some indication in the rar format headers that there are additional parts (or total size is seen greater than available data in first part)... but the point is, it's handled automatically and you don't need to process the subsequent parts manually
[09:16] <amichair> you should leave the part extensions (the first part is just .rar if I remember correctly)
[09:16] <sresu_> amichair: Ah-ok. Thanks
[09:16] <sresu_> amichair: No its like .part1.rar till .part4.rar.. podcast file
[09:17] <amichair> the part extensions have 2 different forms, the old one is .r00, .r01... and the newer scheme is .part1.rar, .part2.rar... both systems should work (as long as you're consistent within a given archive)
[09:18] <amichair> in any case, just try unraring the first part while having the rest of them in the same directory, and it should work
[09:18] <reisi> seicherlbob: i like using .10 versions as well so i run 10.10 atm, but running .4 lts for long-term usage sounds much wiser than old .10
[09:18] <reisi> seicherlbob: if this bug is still present in 10.04 there will be much more willingness to fix it than for 9.10
[09:19] <sresu_> amichair: Well, I found that even parts of .rar as in file1.rar till file4.rar works
[09:19] <seicherlbob> reisi: grmpf... so i will finally have to update. thanks! I'll check my laptop as it has 10.4 installed.
[09:19] <seicherlbob> thanks so far and bye everybody
[09:19]  * seicherlbob is going to update to 10.4 LTS
[09:19] <sresu_> amichair: Anyway, I'd be unrar x file.part1.rar, right? Rest it will handle
[09:20] <amichair> sresu_: try it :-)
[09:20] <sresu_> Yep. Thanks
[09:27] <ko2> if i want to update my intel graphics driver (Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)), can i just pick one package from http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ ?
[09:35] <valorie> !drivers
[10:13] <valorie> !intel
[10:13] <valorie> that's a bit out of date
[10:24] <eagles0513875> !skype
[10:26] <lightman> hi all. any help getting DVB-T to work in kubuntu 10.10 on a toshiba notebook A660 the card is in built...
[10:59] <UglyNakedGuy> -l
[11:14] <ko2> valorie: i have kubuntu hardy heron (=8.04)
[11:16] <eagles0513875> !hardy | ko2
[11:34] <amichair> ktorrent just crashed for the 4th time in half an hour :-(
[11:36] <bigbrovar> does any one knows an up to date doc on who I can build the latest amarok 2.4 beta on Kubuntu 10.10 I dont want to have to install kde 4.6 beta to use it
[11:37] <bigbrovar> valorie: you said you amarok 2.4 running using git. can u point me to the documentation you followed ?
[12:06] <Joan> It's posible to install Ubuntu One in KDE?
[12:06] <Joan> I try and don't works well
[12:59] <Guest58206> hi, anyone want to help to help debug a vpn issue?
[13:02] <kennyF> hi, anyone want to help to help debug a vpn issue I have?
[13:03] <kennyF> Is everyone sleeping?... :)
[13:08] <kennyF> hi, anyone want to help to help debug a vpn issue I have?
[13:20] <gribouille> hi
[13:20] <gribouille> are newer versions of kde than 4.5.1 available for maverick ?
[13:25] <gribouille> does kde 4.5.4 work well on maverick ?
[13:27] <gribouille> does kde 4.5.4 work well on maverick ?
[13:31] <amichair> gribouille: works well for me.
[13:33] <gribouille> If I want kde 4.5.4, do I have to type apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:35] <amichair> gribouille: you can try upgrade, see what it plans on upgrading, and if anything is held back that you need, do a dist-upgrade instead. In other words, I don't remember :-)
[13:35] <amichair> (assuming you added the kubuntu PPA to get the KDE updates)
[13:46] <bigbrovar> has anyone ever gotten their modem 3g card to work with kubuntu? I cant get kppp nor network manager to work.
[13:52] <rethus> have kde 4.5.3, how can i get 4.5.4 ?
[14:01] <caekbot> penis
[14:02] <Pici> caekbot: This is a support channel, lets try to keep it family friendly and professional, thanks.
[14:04] <amichair> rethus: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454
[14:06] <akssps011_> Which package contains intel iasl compiler for Kubuntu ?
[14:19] <Imagineer> any one using 4.6?
[14:21] <repinfo> geg
[14:26] <shane4ubuntu> !language > shane4ubuntu
[14:26] <dasKreech> I read that as please see me in my office for some reason
[14:27] <shane4ubuntu> ?
[14:28] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: I finally just went ahead and installed kubuntu-desktop, basically, except the Oo.o packages.
[14:28] <rethus> amichair: i have added this to ma kpackagemanager... but keep no upgrade
[14:28] <rethus> s
[14:29] <vbgunz> I am getting bit by a comreset failed error -16 or something. it's really upsetting. It hits me out of no where. im googling but coming up empty. anybody know anything about this? I read disabling ncq works but I have no idea how I can disable it. anyhow, anybody know anything that can help me here?
[14:30] <amichair> rethus: can you explain what you did and what happened?
[14:31] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: why with that exception?
[14:32] <rethus> amichair: start kpackagekit
[14:32] <rethus> settings
[14:32] <rethus> other software
[14:32] <rethus> add ppa-adress
[14:32] <rethus> save
[14:32] <dasKreech> vbgunz: what is that related to?
[14:32] <rethus> close
[14:32] <rethus> nothing happends
[14:33] <rethus> no error-message... nothing at all
[14:33] <amichair> rethus: did you check for new updates afterwards?
[14:33] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: there is an ongoing bug in *Buntu's OO.o packages, for several releases that takes an eternity to open up a very large spreadsheet I have, then editing and saving takes even longer, so I can't use it.  I try it with every release, not fixed.
[14:34] <rethus> i check for updates and now i got this:
[14:34] <vbgunz> dasKreech: to my hdd I believe. my system goes fine for an arbitrary amount of time then locks itself up as read only. if I go to tty1 I usually see the error there scrolling by. this used to happen a lot with an esata disk I had *but* now this is happening with or without it plugged in on my main internal disk :/
[14:34] <rethus> http://pastebin.com/qSTNGfKU
[14:35] <amichair> rethus: hmmm... maybe a bug?
[14:35] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: try removing the ppa, check for updates and see if you still get the error, I'm guessing probably the ppa line was not correct.
[14:35] <amichair> rethus: can you try using apt-get from the console?
[14:36] <rethus> i have now uncheck th ppa-kubuntu, and click save
[14:36] <rethus> now he freeze on 167 off 169
[14:36] <rethus> (99%)
[14:36] <amichair> (you'll have to close kpk first)
[14:36] <rethus> on "downloading additional package files - DIaloge
[14:36] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: hmm that isn't good, cli:  sudo apt-get update
[14:37] <rethus> E: one indexfile xouln't be downloaded.
[14:38] <amichair> rethus: try re-enabling the ppa, then closing kpk, and doing the update/upgrade from console using apt-get
[14:39] <rethus> same result
[14:39] <amichair> rethus: does it say which file/repo the error is on?
[14:40] <rethus> no
[14:40] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.lst /etc/apt/sources.lst.bak      that will backup your sources.lst  and then we can open it up and manually edit it.
[14:40] <amichair> rethus: since you said it happened also with the ppa unchecked, it must be one of your previously added repos...
[14:41] <rethus> i only have one package without signature,
[14:42] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: is there a way to change the Dolphin background like add a texture or something?
[14:42] <amichair> rethus: it may be signature, or network error, or problem at the repo... maybe try removing all unofficial ones for now
[14:42] <rethus> my source.list http://pastebin.com/9NxeQEiw
[14:43] <rethus> i have some karmic-packeges, cause i use php 5.2
[14:43] <rethus> don't wondering about this
[14:44] <bigbrovar> did anyone ever get 3g modem cards working with the plasma network manager on kubuntu 10.10
[14:44] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: I would comment out the added ones at the bottom and see which one is causing the problem, enabling them one by one.
[14:44] <amichair> rethus: you have a handful of unofficial repos, try disabling them temporarily until you find the bad one
[14:45] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: from line 47 and below is potential problems.
[14:45] <rethus> they all work well, till i try to add this ppd-kubuntu repo
[14:45] <bigbrovar> the only way I could get any contiviting working with my modem was via wvdial (bless its soul) which is not really ideal for me. not even kppp would work.
[14:45] <amichair> rethus: you said above that you got an error even with the new ppa disabled, so that's not it...
[14:46] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: yes, but if they start to install conflicting dependencies, you could have a problem on your hands.
[14:47] <shane4ubuntu> !pinning | rethus
[14:47] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: ugh. Have you spoken to the libreoffice team
[14:48] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: Umm. Hmm I remember a kinda hack
[14:48] <dasKreech> You can do  that for konqui I think
[14:48] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: no, I filled a bug report a few releases ago, but it didn't go anywhere, seems I'm about the only one affected by it.
[14:48] <rethus> have comment out now all karmic-pakages.. freeze anyway on 99% but 95 of 97 packages...
[14:48] <rethus> there are 3 files which broken
[14:48] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: so, I just install the vanilla OO.o packages, and am content. :)
[14:49] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: try: sudo apt-get install -f
[14:49] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: is it a distributable file?
[14:49] <rethus> all well installed
[14:50] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: oh, the problematic file?
[14:50] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: let me dig up the bug report, I attached a small sample of the same file that was still problematic.
[14:51] <shane4ubuntu> rethus: I'm not sure, that is odd.
[14:52] <Snowhog> rethus: In a console, type: sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean. This will clean the downloaded .deb packages from the cache. Then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:52] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/584220
[14:53] <rethus> one of the broken is: http://debian.scribus.net/debian/
[14:53] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: File it directly against libreoffice
[14:53] <rethus> what could be the problem here
[14:53] <rethus> that it is broken?
[14:54] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: how do I do that?
[14:54] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: Join #libreoffice and explain to them the situation they will direct you
[14:54] <shane4ubuntu> dasKreech: ok, thanks
[14:55] <dasKreech> Snowhog: autoclean and clean are redundant. You just need clean
[14:56] <rethus> Snowhog: with your advie it works now for scribus repo
[14:56] <Snowhog> rethus: :)
[14:58] <dasKreech> Autoclean removes all debs that have an upgraded package available clean just removes all the debs
[15:00] <rethus> Snowhog: but error was non-ffree in scribus.
[15:00] <rethus> seems not to exist anymore
[15:03] <rethus> have now add the ppa, but no upgrades aviable
[15:16] <amichair> rethus: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (with the kubuntu ppa enabled)
[15:19] <rethus> no, wan't to keep my 10.04 LTS version
[15:22] <Snowhog> rethus: 'dist-upgrade' doesn't upgrade your OS.
[15:22] <rethus> anyway... no upgrades
[15:22] <rethus> realy strange for me
[15:23] <rethus> have to go no... come back later
[15:23] <rethus> thanks
[15:32] <Elephantman> hi :) I've got a bad refreshing image problem when compositing is activated. Some parts of the screen kind of "stick" in place and dont refresh until some movement happens in that area of the screen. Any clue ?
[15:43] <dasKreech> shane4ubuntu: Wow that was rude
[15:43] <dasKreech> Elephantman: Video card and ddriver?
[15:43] <dasKreech> vbgunz: progress?
[16:00] <Elephantman> dasKreech: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller. Driver : i915
[16:00] <vbgunz> dasKreech: not really, the sata comreset error -16 happens at arbitrary times, I can't predict or repeat when it's going to happen definitively *but* it just happens which makes it all the more annoying :(
[16:01] <vbgunz> dasKreech: after it happens and I go into comreset -16, the system locks up read only and I lose all control. as far as I know, all I can do is a hard reset pretty much to get things back to normal
[16:04] <dasKreech> Elephantman: checked to see if it has any issues in #kwin ?
[16:04] <dasKreech> vbgunz: All control? You can't manipulate /dev or /proc ?
[16:06] <vbgunz> dasKreech: I haven't tried, the gui is useless and all shortcuts are too. when I switch to tty1 the comreset messages continously scroll by and I am unable to really type anything comfortably. if I wait in tty to see what happens, the system ultimately goes read only and I am dropped into another terminal of some sort, not bash, I think initramfs or something, I forgot :(
[16:08] <dasKreech> vbgunz: oh wow failsafe from the kernel
[16:08] <mfraz74> in kubuntu 10.10 how do i configure a network connection system wide?
[16:09] <vbgunz> dasKreech: I am grateful in a sense that when it locks up read only everything becomes unusable *but* it's very frustrating to have to deal with it at all :/
[16:09] <vbgunz> I gotta reboot to test something but I am trying to just finish up an article about something
[16:10] <Elephantman> dasKreech: you meen the #kwin channel ? or something else ?
[16:13] <dasKreech> Elephantman: I do
[16:13] <mfraz74> what I want to do is be able to set a wireless connection so that all users on that computer can use it, but that option is greyed otu
[16:13] <mfraz74> out
[16:16] <dasKreech> mfraz74: it should change the system settings as far as I know so all users should be able to get net
[16:16] <dasKreech> if not then try wicd
[16:17] <mfraz74> dasKreech: there is a box in the edit network connection window that says 'system connection' but it is greyed out with now way of un-greying it
[16:18] <mfraz74> in older versions of kubuntu there used to be an unlock button and i think ubuntu still has it
[16:22] <vgs> hi, does anyone knows how insert superscript "~" in kate for regular expression?
[16:26] <Snowhog> mfraz74: I think that you need to delete the existing wireless connection you see, and then add it in again. The option for system wide is/should be available when the connection is being setup, and you have to check it at that time.
[16:27] <Snowhog> mfraz74: You can test that theory by adding another wireless entry.
[16:31] <dasKreech> mfraz74: bug?
[16:34] <mfraz74> dasKreech: no it is greyed out still
[16:38] <mfraz74> do i file a bug on launchpad?
[16:38] <dasKreech> mfraz74: pop into #kubuntu-devel to see if it's something you are overlooking
[16:39] <susundberg> dasKreech: is that good place to ask natty kubuntu question?
[16:39] <susundberg> sounds like it
[16:40] <dasKreech> susundberg: #ubuntu+1
[16:48] <susundberg> dasKreech: they are all idling :/
[18:23] <dany__> no one?
[18:24] <dasKreech> dany__: hmm?
[18:25] <dany__> I have a networking problem. When I plug in the cable, for the first seconds the connection works but after I get this "error": wired network connection with a self-assigned address.I checked and at the beginning I get a correct address like <IP_ADDRESS> but after this address disappear and there is a strange address
[18:30] <dasKreech> what counts as a strange address?
[20:26] <tuttle_> bonjour ! Je cherche quelqu'un pour m'aider à installer openVPN avec Network Manager, sous KDE. Est-ce possible ?
[20:27] <gr8m8> !fr | tuttle_
[20:29] <tuttle_> bonjour ! Je cherche quelqu'un pour m'aider à installer openVPN avec Network Manager, sous KDE. Est-ce possible ?
[20:30] <gr8m8> !fr | tuttle_
[20:30] <tuttle_> sorry
[20:34] <Snowhog> tuttle_: You are more than welcome to ask questions here - just in English please. :)
[20:35] <tuttle_> ok, thank you... but my english is very poor... I can try, but please be cool with me :)
[20:36] <Snowhog> tuttle_: But of course!
[20:36] <tuttle_> I want to install openvpn, with networkmanager
[20:36] <tuttle_> I install openvpn package
[20:36] <tuttle_> that's ok
[20:36] <tuttle_> but when I go in networkmanager
[20:37] <tuttle_> I can't add a vpn
[20:37] <tuttle_> the button is gray
[20:37] <tuttle_> I don't know why
[20:40] <Snowhog> tuttle_: Doing some searching here.
[20:42] <Snowhog> tuttle_: After having installed openvpn, are these two packages also installed:  network-manager-vpnc network-manager-openvpn
[20:43] <tuttle_> not now... I will do that now !
[20:43] <genii-around> Hm. network-manager-openvpn-kde perhaps
[20:45] <tuttle_> could I supress network-manager-openvpn and install network-manager-openvpn-kde in synaptic ?
[20:45] <tuttle_> I just do that at the moment : sudo aptitude install network-manager-openvpn
[20:46] <tuttle_> before comming here
[20:46] <Snowhog> tuttle_: I think I'd agree with genii-around, and install just network-manager-openvpn-kde
[20:52] <tuttle_> An error occurred
[20:52] <tuttle_> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-help_4%3a4.7.0-0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb: tentative de remplacement de « /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_cs.qm », qui appartient aussi au paquet libqtcore4 4
[20:52] <Snowhog> tuttle_: What package did you try to install?
[20:53] <tuttle_> network-manager-openvpn-kde    Before I uninstall network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[20:54] <Snowhog> tuttle_: Conflicting dependencies. If it were me, I would uninstall/purge the openvpn package you installed before coming here. Then install network-manager-openvpn-kde.
[20:58] <tuttle_> I did... I suppressed network-manager-openvpn on synaptic, synaptic add network-manager-openvpn-gnome to suppress too... and, after, I installed network-manager-openvpn-kde with a lot of dependencies (that synaptic add automatically)...
[20:58] <tuttle_> Sorry for my english...
[21:02] <tuttle_> ok !!! it's ok !!!!
[21:02] <tuttle_> I succeed
[21:02] <tuttle_> thank you very much
[21:03] <tuttle_> I will continue ;)
[21:05] <wqapol> Are there any alternatives to amarok which has library management? A KDE app that is.
[21:05] <Snowhog> tuttle_: Glad you got it. :) And you English is okay - better than my French!!
[21:06] <tuttle_> loool thanks
[21:15] <senorpedro> hi folks
[21:15] <senorpedro> how can i make the alt-f2 quickstarter to appear in the middle of the desktop like in previous versions?
[21:16] <senorpedro> in 10.10 its at the top of the windows which doesnt appeal to my natural view field
[21:17] <Snowhog> senorpedro: Edit the ~/.kde/share/config/krunnerrc file.
[21:18] <senorpedro> Snowhog, i did. do i have to restart something after the change?
[21:18] <senorpedro> because it doesnt apply
[21:18] <Snowhog> senorpedro: Restart KDE.
[21:19] <Snowhog> senorpedro: logout/login.
[21:19] <senorpedro> hm but i have so many windows open ....
[21:19] <senorpedro> is there no other solution?
[21:19] <senorpedro> cant i just restart krunner?
[21:20] <yofel> senorpedro: restarting krunner should be enough
[21:20] <senorpedro> hm doesnt work either
[21:20] <yofel> and you can set that in the krunner settings, no need to edit the config file
[21:20] <senorpedro> thats the saddest thing that ever happened to me
[21:20] <senorpedro> yofel, where in the settings?
[21:21] <yofel> open krunner -> klick on the settings button -> user interface -> free floating window
[21:21] <senorpedro> ah i found it
[21:21] <senorpedro> very hidden btw
[21:22] <Snowhog> yofel: Cool.
[21:22] <Snowhog> I checked the wrench, but didn't notice the 'menu' in KRunner.
[21:27] <Scunizi> pavucontrol will not start .. it errors with "Connection Failed: Connection refused".. how do I fix this? or should I?  I'm trying to record my google voice outgoing call to a teleconference
[21:31] <Scunizi> I guess kubuntu doesn't have pulse audio installed as part of the default audio package.. how can I record my outgoing google voice call?
[21:39] <HmpfCBR> Hm virtuoso was idling around. I used the nepomuk krunner to find a document. That worked. However virtuoso is now using 100% of one one cpu core and does not go down again. indexing is suspended. anyone an idea what is happening here (kde 4.5.4 on maverick).
[21:54] <yofel> Scunizi: pulseaudio is installed by default since maverick, so it should be there
[21:54] <Scunizi> yofel: well that would explain it.. I'm on LTS 10.04
[21:55] <yofel> ah, phonon still uses alsa there by default
[21:55] <Scunizi> yofel: or is 10.04 actually a kubunt LTS release this time?
[21:55] <yofel> Scunizi: IIRC it is, but pulseaudio won't be added to the default installation because of that
[21:56] <Scunizi> yofel: humm... is it worth the upgrade to Mav.? on a production machine? and if not do you have any idea how I can record from (google voice / skype / etc) on an outgoing call?
[21:58] <yofel> Scunizi: first try to install pulseaudio, I don't think maverick is worth just for that, and I don't do calls on my pc, sry
[22:00] <Scunizi> yofel: I don't normally either.. but google voice seems to be serving me well espicailly for conference calls.  I've read that the install for pulseaudio on kubuntu 10.04 is broken.  The work-a-round being to install ubuntu and add kde.. yick. not a path I want to take.
[22:01] <Scunizi> yofel: despite it being google voice, recording should be the same as if you were streaming in audio from the net..
[22:01] <yofel> hm, IIRC I had pulse running in lucid when I used it, you need to tell phonon to use pulseaudio though
[22:02] <Scunizi> how do you do that?
[22:03] <Scunizi> ah.. perhaps in the "Multimedia" section?
[22:03] <_sudo> does anyone everhave the issue with the cursor becoming tiny and repeated on the y axis like 20 times to create a rectangular shape???
[22:03] <yofel> In the multimedia settings use pulesaudio as output device, I'm not really sure what it's called in lucid
[22:04] <Scunizi> same.. and for capture should be the same I'd think
[22:07] <Scunizi> yofel: ok.. installed pulseaudio.. I must have to restart some service to be able to see it as a selection in Multimedia.. does that sound right? (no pun intened)
[22:08] <yofel> pulseaudio isn't used as a service but started on demand, so start something that uses it, then logout so phonon sees it on login I think
[22:09] <Scunizi> like pavucontrol?  other than that I'm not sure how to designate something to start with pulseaudio.
[22:10] <yofel> that should be fine probably..
[22:11] <Scunizi> crazy.. for devices it's only showing my INport usb device I use to record from analog sources :(
[22:15] <Scunizi> yofel: yea.. still not showing in Multimedia.. I'll have to mess with it later. I've got a deadline to meet.
[22:16] <yofel> k, it's been a while since I used lucid :/
[22:21] <Roey> hey all
[22:36] <basso> kde looks quite good
[22:42] <Snowhog> basso: KDE is very good - IMHO. Been running Kubuntu since Edgy Eft.
[22:43] <Snowhog> basso: Do you have a question or problem?
[22:44] <basso> Snowhog: not yet, and i even played OpenArena in the VM ;3
[22:45] <shane4ubuntu> how can I be sure that port 5154 is open on my system?
[22:45] <shane4ubuntu> I don't have ufw enabled, or running, so must be something else I need to do.
[22:50] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[22:53] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: how can I know if it is tcp or the other?
[22:54] <shane4ubuntu> running bzflag as server?  would you guess tcp?
[22:55] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: What exactly are you trying to figure out? That the port is or is not open, or who/what is using it?
[22:55] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: I need port 5154 open so that my bzserver can receive connections from LAN
[22:56] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: I don't think the port is open, or, perhaps it would be easier to switch to a port I know is open, like my ssh port?
[22:56] <basso> !ratio+
[22:57] <shane4ubuntu> lol, well, it didn't like port 22. :)
[22:57] <shane4ubuntu> incompatible ssh it said, I did this before, but I think I was using ufw and opened up the port there,
[22:58] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: Open a console and type:  netstat -lntup
[22:59] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: ok, udp, that was the other one, I'm not good at this port/network stuff.
[23:00] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: ok, and pick a port from there that says 'Listen" ?
[23:01] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: That command lists the open ports. To see all, preface the command with sudo. If the port you need to be open isn't listed, then it isn't open as I understand it.
[23:01] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: ok, thanks!
[23:02] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: Ultimately, you might need to utilize iptables (man iptables) to configure the port and/or your router.
[23:03] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: *and/or your rounter, meaning checking the router configuration for the port desired.
[23:03] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: ok, I should be fine with the router, since, I'm only accessing via local LAN
[23:03] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: when I did this before I don't think I had to touch my router.
[23:04] <Roey> hey all
[23:04] <Snowhog> shane4ubuntu: Does sudo netstat -lntup show the desired port?
[23:04] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: no, not even after I enable it with the web page you sent. :(  I hate iptables. :)
[23:04] <yofel> you can use 'nmap' too for port listing, 'nmap localhost' should show what's open
[23:04] <Snowhog> Roey: This is not a 'chat' channel. If you have a question, please just ask. If anyone has an answer, they will reply. ;)
[23:05] <Roey> kde 4.6beta2:  app launcher buttons on my panel no longer respond to clicks, and Keyboard Settings are ignored.  I have tried this with multiple user accounts on this system and it holds.
[23:05] <Roey> Snowhog:  lemme ask the f*cking question
[23:05] <Roey> Snowhog:  like, seriously, we're not ignorant, just writing the question.
[23:05] <yofel> Roey: someone else had that, either lock the widgets, or wait for RC1
[23:05] <Roey> I had that
[23:05] <Roey> how do I lock the widgets?
[23:05] <Roey> why lock them?
[23:06] <Roey> yofel:  they had that AND the keyboard stuff?
[23:06] <Roey> When's RC1 coming?
[23:06] <yofel> kde bug 259410
[23:06] <yofel> not sure about the keyboard stuff, *what* doesn't work?
[23:06] <Roey> ya know, I'll check the schedules, otherwise someone might bug me about checking it for myself.
[23:06] <Roey> well none of the keyboard settings that i have configured under "Keyboard Settings" appear to work
[23:06] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: ufw is looking easier right about now. :)
[23:07] <Roey> including language layout switch key, keyboard repeat delay, the grave/compose key, Capslock key that I've set as an additional Control, etc.
[23:08] <shane4ubuntu> Snowhog: thanks though
[23:08] <yofel> Roey: setting alt+space to switch layouts works here for example
[23:09] <Roey> yeah? not here.
[23:09] <Roey> I mean the settings appear set when I go into System Settings -> Keyboard
[23:09] <Roey> but I do not see it respected by any app
[23:09] <yofel> system settings -> input devices -> keyboard
[23:09] <Roey> right
[23:09] <Roey> I meant that, my bad
[23:10] <yofel> hm, kate respects it here (I'm on 4.6 natty)
[23:10] <Roey> ok
[23:10] <Roey> I'm on... one sec
[23:10] <Roey> maverick here.
[23:23] <vbgunz> Can somebody please help me out and please paste (if it's just one line) the contents of /usr/local/sbin/cgroup_clean ... I am hoping it is only one line. you can get the contents by saying: cat /usr/local/sbin/cgroup_clean
[23:27] <yofel> vbgunz: /usr/local contains software *you* installed, we won't have that
[23:28] <vbgunz> yofel: that's a beautiful answer, I really appreciate it!
[23:28] <vbgunz> thanks!
[23:29] <vbgunz> I need to reboot to make a change, brb
[23:29] <yofel> and apt-file can't find that file in any package, so we won't be able to help, sorry
[23:35] <vbgunz> heres hoping I no longer see the comreset errors