[01:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[14:56] <tomreyn> !mtrr
[14:57] <tomreyn> ah no factoids here, i forgot
[14:58] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirmwareTestSuite/Reference/mtrr
[15:06] <tomreyn> oerheks: heh, you can look into my head apparently. i didn't know this page. but i think it's not adding more info.
[15:07] <tomreyn> other than there is an MTRR test in the FWTS. but since Ubuntu's kernels' do the reposrting and debugging by default for years now, i guess that's not needed.
[15:08] <oerheks> never came across mtrr myself ..
[15:09] <tomreyn> i also sent the guy, adam, who wrote http://web.archive.org/web/20190120193152/http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/pages/impressum.html an e-mail asking whether i could repost it on github under CC-BY-SA (without NC)
[15:09] <tomreyn> the article isn't perfect and a simple calculator would actually help a lot.
[15:15] <tomreyn> actualyl this http://web.archive.org/web/20190904223631/http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1870618


[21:26] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: mhall119 i'll start migrating LTP to django 1.3/4
[21:36] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: what's the status of this https://code.launchpad.net/~ris/loco-team-portal/part-fix-720824c/+merge/94771 ?
[21:44] <mhall119> daker-cloud: cjohnston is traveling to hong kong for Linaro Connect
[21:44] <daker-cloud> oh
[22:22] <cjohnston> daker-cloud: mhall119 have we heard anything more from IS about being allowed to upgrade ltp?
[22:22] <cjohnston> i havent reviewed since he made the changes IIR
[22:22] <cjohnston> C
[22:22] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: ok :)
[22:50] <daker-cloud> mhall119: is django-openid-auth still maintained ?
[22:51] <daker-cloud> 0.4 has been released on 2011-09 and precise still has 0.2 :/
[23:07] <cjohnston> :-/
[23:31] <mhall119> daker-cloud: it's maintained in pypi, but not the main repos unfortunately
[23:32] <mhall119> we should get it into quantal/universe and then into precise/backports
[23:35] <cjohnston> we need to. otherwise we wont be able to use it
[23:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: will you teach me how to do that? I've always wanted to learn, but never had a huge reason
[23:40] <mhall119> cjohnston: sure, it's not too hard once you get the hang of it
[23:47] <cjohnston> I got something into a ppa, thats a big step for me. heh


[00:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: qclib [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[02:03] <sarnold> hello; disco is still promoted in the header on http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ -- should it be removed? is there a better place to suggest its removal?
[02:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (bionic-proposed/main) [2.2.40-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 2.2.45-0ubuntu1~18.04.1] (ubuntu-cloud)
[03:44] <vorlon> infinity: ^^ what progress on the EOL checklist?
[05:45] <vorlon> temporarily removing haskell-hledger and haskell-hledger-lib from -proposed, to allow a rebuild of old haskell-hledger against new libffi without blocking on haskell-hledger-lib/s390x
[06:22] <infinity> sarnold, vorlon: I'll clean up cdimage/release first thing tomorrow, sorry, got sidetracked a bit.
[06:23] <infinity> I guess I can remove it from the header now and clean up images when I'm more alive.
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qclib [s390x] (focal-proposed) [2.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-cachecontrol [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.11.7-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-cachecontrol [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.11.7-2ubuntu1]
[09:35] <sil2100> tseliot: hey! Looking at nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 right now - you missed a # in front of the bug number and now the .changes file has no bugs mentioned
[09:35] <sil2100> tseliot: could you re-upload?
[09:37] <tseliot> sil2100, oh, the one for eoan. Sure, please reject that and I'll re-upload
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 [source] (eoan-proposed) [390.132-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[09:45] <sil2100> tseliot: done, thanks o/
[09:50] <tseliot> sil2100, re-uploaded, thanks!
[09:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (eoan-proposed/restricted) [390.129-0ubuntu2 => 390.132-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[10:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 [source] (eoan-proposed) [390.132-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:29] <ddstreet> sil2100 hi, any chance you could review network-manager in e upload queue?
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: powerpc-utils (bionic-proposed/main) [1.3.4-0ubuntu2 => 1.3.4-0ubuntu2+ppa2.3] (core)
[10:47] <juliank> sil2100: ^ if you have a second, could you reject that
[10:47] <juliank> ?
[10:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected powerpc-utils [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.3.4-0ubuntu2+ppa2.3]
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: securefs [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/none) [0.9.0+ds-1] (no packageset)
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: securefs [s390x] (focal-proposed/none) [0.9.0+ds-1] (no packageset)
[11:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: securefs [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [0.9.0+ds-1] (no packageset)
[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: securefs [armhf] (focal-proposed/none) [0.9.0+ds-1] (no packageset)
[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: securefs [arm64] (focal-proposed/none) [0.9.0+ds-1] (no packageset)
[11:23] <RikMills> could an AA please action? LP: #1861390
[11:23] <RikMills> thanks
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 [source] (bionic-proposed) [390.132-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-settings [source] (eoan-proposed) [440.44-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: setuptools-scm [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.4.3-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[11:39] <sil2100> tseliot: looking at nvidia-settings on bionic and I see that libxnvctrl0 dropped two symbols - just wanted to make sure this won't potentially break any existing users
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted securefs [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0+ds-1]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted securefs [armhf] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0+ds-1]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted securefs [s390x] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0+ds-1]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted securefs [arm64] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0+ds-1]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted setuptools-scm [amd64] (focal-proposed) [3.4.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted securefs [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [0.9.0+ds-1]
[11:43] <sil2100> ddstreet: hey! Will try!
[11:44] <ddstreet> thanks!
[11:45] <sil2100> ddstreet: hm, could you (just for tidiness) re-upload it with -v, so that the previous 2 ADT bugs are also mentioned in the .changes?
[11:45] <sil2100> ddstreet: it's good as it is now as those are only ADT changes, but I guess it would be nice if we would auto-close them
[11:46] <ddstreet> ah ok sure, sorry i didn't realize that was needed since the previous was in -proposed, i'll remember that next time
[11:49] <sil2100> tjaalton: hey! Do you think you could get libclc and the new mesa validated for bionic today?
[11:53] <ddstreet> sil2100 reuploaded n-m
[11:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: network-manager (eoan-proposed/main) [1.20.4-2ubuntu2.1 => 1.20.4-2ubuntu2.2] (desktop-core)
[11:54] <sil2100> ddstreet: thanks! On it in a moment :)
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (bionic-proposed/main) [3.98ubuntu10~18.04.1 => 3.98ubuntu11~18.04.1] (core)
[11:57] <sil2100> .4 is eating most of my time still, so much fiddling to do
[11:59] <tjaalton> sil2100: I don't have a radeon to test the libclc regression with, but since eoan is fine..
[12:00] <tjaalton> the guy who reported it on bionic upgraded to eoan already
[12:00] <sil2100> Darn
[12:01] <tjaalton> my thinking logic says that it can't be worse than what's in bionic now :)
[12:01] <sil2100> Hard decision, normally I wouldn't do this but yeah, I might jus accept it basing on the fact that it works in eoan
[12:01] <sil2100> Yeah
[12:01] <sil2100> tjaalton: ok, thanks! And what about mesa? Since I guess it would be good to have the latest shiny in -updates for .4
[12:01] <sil2100> I see someone verified it for eoan
[12:02] <sil2100> But not for bionic yet
[12:02] <sil2100> (verified as in used and was happy)
[12:02] <tjaalton> sil2100: right, I'll test that on intel
[12:02] <tjaalton> already running on eoan
[12:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected network-manager [source] (eoan-proposed) [1.20.4-2ubuntu2.2]
[12:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted network-manager [source] (eoan-proposed) [1.20.4-2ubuntu2.2]
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flash-kernel [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.98ubuntu11~18.04.1]
[12:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (bionic-proposed/main) [10.1ubuntu2.7 => 10.1ubuntu2.8] (core)
[12:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted base-files [source] (bionic-proposed) [10.1ubuntu2.8]
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-174.204] (core, kernel)
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-174.204]
[13:05] <ginggs> vorlon: what's a bfsg? :p
[13:09] <tumbleweed> ginggs: typo fixed
[13:11] <ginggs> tumbleweed: thanks, but version needs to be 1.14.0+dfsg-2
[13:12] <ginggs> tumbleweed: ta!
[13:21] <tseliot> sil2100, I don't think the lack of NV_ID symbol should really break anything
[14:39] <doko> mwhudson: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=team%2Btryton-team%40tracker.debian.org   almost all of tryton is marked for autoremoval in debian, I think we should do the same for focal
[15:58] <sil2100> tseliot: ok, I'll accept it, but let's keep an eye out for its rdeps - I'll list them in the bug
[15:59] <tseliot> sil2100, sounds good to me, thanks
[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-settings [source] (bionic-proposed) [440.44-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:02] <tjaalton> sil2100: mesa verified on bionic
[16:39] <ddstreet> sil2100 not sure if you're still around, but if so, any change you could review the systemd uploads for b/e?  vorlon took a look a week-ish ago and i re-uploaded based on his comments, but also included more bugfixes
[16:44] <sil2100> ddstreet: I would love to, but not sure if I'll manage - I'm afraid this one might require a bit more time, while today and tomorrow I might still be busy with getting all the .4 things staged and set-up - it's all the time on my TODO list though!
[16:44] <sil2100> Sorry about that o/
[16:45] <sil2100> tjaalton: thanks!
[16:45] <ddstreet> ack, no problem, thanks :)
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.2.45-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.2.45-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (eoan-proposed) [2.2.45-0ubuntu1~19.10.1]
[17:32] <vorlon> doko: you uploaded gobject-introspection, resetting the libffi transition progress?
[17:33] <doko> vorlon: yes, because pygobject was auto-synced
[17:33] <vorlon> k
[17:35] <Laney> why was it auto-synced when it had a delta?
[17:35] <vorlon> pygobject didn't have a delta
[17:35] <Laney> oh sorry I misread
[17:36] <Laney> the new g-i seems bad though
[17:36] <Laney> ubuntu@autopkgtest:~$ g-ir-scanner
[17:36] <Laney> Traceback (most recent call last):
[17:39] <Laney> only built for 3.8 I guess
[18:14] <doko> Laney: looks like the package is missing a b-d on dh-python?
[18:17] <doko> ahh, no, it has dh-sequence-python3
[18:19] <doko> but the generated dependency python3:any seems to be wrong, when you have the extension only for 3.8
[19:15] <sarnold> infinity: thanks :) (re removing disco from header)
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [s390x] (focal-proposed) [2.12.0-0ubuntu1]
[19:25] <vorlon> libglib-object-introspection-perl autosync because of course it is
[19:25] <vorlon> I'm going to shut off autosyncs until I have a chance to get libffi through
[19:25] <vorlon> (which would've been done within an hour of my start of day, if not for these newer syncs)
[19:49] <doko> please communicate that on the ML
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: curtin (xenial-proposed/main) [19.1-7-g37a7a0f4-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 => 19.3-17-g50ffca46-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: curtin (bionic-proposed/main) [19.1-7-g37a7a0f4-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 19.3-17-g50ffca46-0ubuntu1~18.04.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: curtin (eoan-proposed/main) [19.2-9-g38ce22b0-0ubuntu1 => 19.3-17-g50ffca46-0ubuntu1~19.10.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[20:57] <blackboxsw> wwot!


[01:28] <stdin> kde svn 857207
[01:28] <stdin> apachelogger: ^
[01:29] <stdin> works without the "kde" and with "rev ...."
[01:30] <stdin> bzr support coming soon :)
[02:02]  * JontheEchidna tries
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 857227

[04:53] <stdin> trunk svn 857239 /KDE/kdebase

[04:56] <stdin> trunk svn 857239 /KDE/kdebase
[04:57] <stdin> that's better
[08:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: around? Dunno if its you or Jon or who, but the twitter plasmoid is broken in 4.1.1 - I add it and get a small black circle... (PPA, Hardy)
[09:19] <jussi01> oh and apachelogger - that dot issue is also happening without desktop effects - it seems to be the top corner of a border thats behind everything perhaps?
[09:42] <seaLne> should the twitter plasmoid use kde proxy settings? in intrepid in "works" for me but dosen't display any tweets
[09:43] <Nightrose> seaLne: WindowsUninstall is the guy to ask
[09:44] <seaLne> does it work for you?
[09:44] <Nightrose> twitter applet works for me in hardy - but i don't use a proxy
[09:47] <seaLne> yeah, just wanted to check it atleast worked for someone :)
[09:48] <Nightrose> hehe
[09:48] <seaLne> nothing worse than looking at the wrong problem
[09:49] <goatsocks> how about looking at the right problem, but being too incompetent to do anything about it? ;)
[09:49]  * goatsocks finds himself in that situation a lot
[09:50] <seaLne> yeah i have that problem aswell :)
[10:56] <xerosis> seaLne: the twitter plasmod doesn't use the proxy settings atm but asiego is rewriting to afaik
[10:59] <seaLne> xerosis: ah, ta
[10:59] <seaLne> unfortunatly proxy support never seems to be a priority as home users don't need it
[11:05] <Riddell> I'd have thought it used kioslaves which will support everything
[11:08] <seaLne> yeah seems a bit strange but it was a very early plasmoid
[11:14] <doc__> hi there
[11:21] <Riddell> buenas dias doc__
[11:26] <doc__> Riddell: hola :)
[11:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: it should use that but according to the discussion on k-(c?)-d about Thiago probibiting the use of one function it does not (sorry forgot what exactly it was)
[11:49] <Nightrose> but I think it is being changed or already is in trunk - WindowsUninstall would know
[11:52] <Riddell> he prohibited QHttp no?  in favour of kioslaves
[11:53] <Nightrose> jep I think that was it
[11:53] <Jucato> QHttp and QFtp
[13:13] <Nightrose> any news on getting mailody to work in hardy? or does it at least work in intrepid?
[13:18] <Riddell> it doesn't work in hardy?
[13:18] <Nightrose> nope - due to appamor blocking akonadi last I heard
[13:19] <Nightrose> and I just tested - still doesn't work with latest updates
[13:19]  * akonadi ..
[13:19] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: turn off apparmour?
[13:23] <Riddell> apachelogger did a workaround in intrepid for it
[13:24] <apachelogger> I actually think I backported all the stuff
[13:24] <Nightrose> you didn't it seems :)
[13:24] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure I did
[13:24] <apachelogger> if people wouldn't mess up their apparmor...
[13:24] <Nightrose> I didn't mess around with mine ;-)
[13:24] <apachelogger> what's it saying
[13:25] <Nightrose> nothing - akonadi tray just doesn't start the server
[13:26]  * apachelogger is surprised akonaditray is actually capable of starting itself
[13:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: konsole akonadiserver start
[13:26] <Nightrose> and tells me it is not running
[13:26] <Nightrose> k sec
[13:27] <Nightrose> unknown command akonadiserver
[13:27]  * apachelogger is going to remove kernel 2.6.27
[13:29] <apachelogger> me@apoc { ~/4.1.1-hardy/mailody-kde4-1.5.0~alpha1 }$ dpkg -S akonadiserver
[13:29] <apachelogger> akonadi-server: /usr/bin/akonadiserver
[13:29] <apachelogger> me@apoc { ~/4.1.1-hardy/mailody-kde4-1.5.0~alpha1 }$ grep 'Depends' debian/control
[13:29] <apachelogger> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), quilt, cmake (>= 2.4.5), automoc,
[13:29] <apachelogger> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, akonadi-kde, akonadi-server
[13:29] <apachelogger> ha! wrong source
[13:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: is that your way of telling me I should have it? :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> you know, I am quite often surprised by the pointlessnes of dpkg/apt
[13:30] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:30] <apachelogger> how am I supposed to support prior releases if I can't easily get the source packages
[13:33] <apachelogger> ok
[13:33] <apachelogger> this is crap
[13:33] <apachelogger> seriously
[13:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: instal akonadi-kde and akonadi-server
[13:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: is the main freeze lifted yet?
[13:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok trying
[13:34] <Riddell> not that I know of
[13:34] <apachelogger> Ok
[13:35] <Riddell> what needs uploading?
[13:35]  * jtechidna needs a main upload sponsored too
[13:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok akonadi-server was not installed - installing now
[13:35] <Nightrose> why isn't it installed as a dependency?
[13:35] <Nightrose> forgotten?
[13:40] <Nightrose> wohooooooooooo
[13:40]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and Riddell
[13:40] <Nightrose> akonadi server running
[13:40] <Nightrose> \o/
[13:40] <jtechidna> o-/-<
[13:40] <jtechidna> o-\-<
[13:40] <jtechidna> o-/-<
[13:42] <Nightrose> mailody still claims it can't find a running akonadi server but well
[13:42] <Nightrose> will get to that later
[13:43] <jtechidna> Nightrose: zips should work :(
[13:43] <Nightrose> jtechidna: :( yea
[13:43] <Nightrose> it doesn't though
[13:43] <jtechidna> :(
[13:43] <Nightrose> I tried it with several archives
[13:43] <Nightrose> no workie
[13:43] <Nightrose> and i have the version you said should contain the fix
[13:44] <Nightrose> i can try with a few more archives if you want
[13:44] <Nightrose> just to make sure
[13:45] <jtechidna> did the upgrade intall libzip1?
[13:45] <jtechidna> or, is libzip1 installed at all?
[13:45] <Nightrose> ok not working with any of the zip files I have here
[13:45] <Nightrose> let me check
[13:45] <Nightrose> it is installed - not sure if it was done with that update or not
[13:46] <jtechidna> ok, good. It's not that then
[13:46] <apachelogger> jtechidna: writing batbackport
[13:46] <apachelogger> although I am not exactly sure what it should be doing
[13:47] <jtechidna> apachelogger: heh
[13:49] <jtechidna> apachelogger: adding libzip-dev as a build depend for ark doesn't fix it in Hardy. Got any ideas?
[13:49] <jtechidna> "it" being the "doesn't open zip files"
[13:50] <jtechidna> ...problem
[13:50] <Riddell> jtechidna: it needs the extra files to be installed too
[13:50] <apachelogger> jtechidna: did it detect libzip properly at cmaketime?
[13:51] <jtechidna> apachelogger: yes, I forgot to add the extra files that are produced to the .install file
[13:52] <jtechidna> ooh: http://grundleborg.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/return-of-the-plasma-browser-plugin/
[13:53] <jtechidna> heh, kerfuffle
[13:53] <apachelogger> my mouse is still low on battery
[13:56]  * jtechidna haz wired mause
[13:57] <jtechidna> <3 pinentry-qt4
[13:59] <apachelogger> <3 kate
[13:59] <apachelogger> ♡
[13:59] <apachelogger> uhhh
[13:59]  * apachelogger needs to talk to the quassel devs :P
[14:00] <apachelogger> jtechidna: what is the status of the koffice FTBFS btw?
[14:00] <seaLne> quassel makes irssi look pretty :)
[14:01] <jtechidna> apachelogger: I haven't looked at it
[14:01] <apachelogger> :(
[14:02] <jussi01> seaLne: shush... quassel is lovely
[14:03] <apachelogger> ♥ quassel
[14:03] <jtechidna> I could sell the heat my computer generates compiling koffice2 to my neighbors!
[14:03] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[14:03] <jtechidna> maybe I could use the money to buy a new computer...
[14:03] <apachelogger> jtechidna: that indeed would be a good idea
[14:03] <jtechidna> I'll probably get a laptop when I go off to college
[14:03] <jtechidna> next year
[14:04] <jtechidna> Nightrose: new kdeutils buildin', should be done in half-an-hour-ish, depending on how long it waits in queue
[14:05] <jtechidna> ooh hotness & usability: http://www.notmart.org/images/newpanelcontroller.png
[14:05] <Nightrose> jtechidna: alright - let me know when it is done and I will test it
[14:05] <Nightrose> need to go shopping in a few mins
[14:05] <apachelogger> laptops are mobile cluster nodes
[14:05] <jussi01> hrmmm...
[14:05] <apachelogger> jtechidna: did you update our plasma-firefox packaging
[14:06] <apachelogger> that beast also needs backporting :S
[14:06]  * jussi01 has no idea how to bluetooth on kde4... anyone care to enlighten me?
[14:06] <apachelogger> tonio would know
[14:07] <jtechidna> apachelogger: nein
[14:07] <apachelogger> ô mon dieu!
[14:08]  * apachelogger doesn't see the use anyway :P
[14:08] <apachelogger> http://dev.chromium.org/developers/faq
[14:08] <apachelogger> last line in the gtk or qt section
[14:08] <apachelogger> so much for ultimate lazyness :P
[14:09] <apachelogger> actually you might want to read the paragraph above as well
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: on intrepid apparmor is again eating akonadiserver
[14:11] <apachelogger> I seriously hate that security stuff
[14:13] <jtechidna> Can anybody tell me why this won't work? svn export svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/trunk/kdereview/kio_bookmarks/
[14:14] <Riddell> jtechidna: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview/kio_bookmarks/
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: grr
[14:14] <jtechidna> Riddell: thanks
[14:18] <nixternal> mornin'
[14:33]  * apachelogger hunts apparmor saying "exterminate!!! exterminate!!!!"
[14:34] <ScottK> devfil: Congratulations.
[14:34] <devfil> ScottK: thanks
[14:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please be fixing, not exterminating.
[14:35] <apachelogger> meh...
[14:35] <apachelogger> Problem located and extermianted :P
[14:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: I guess that equals fixing apparmor? ;-)
[14:36] <ScottK> Probably just the profiles.
[14:36] <ScottK> Since it's installed by default, we really should make the profiles work for us or the end users will be very grumpy after release.
[14:37] <apachelogger> the profile is brought in by akonadi
[14:37] <apachelogger>   /home/*/.local/share/akonadi/* rw,
[14:37] <apachelogger> became
[14:37] <apachelogger>   /home/*/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk,
[14:37] <apachelogger> now everythign is working as expected again
[14:40] <Riddell> what does that mean?
[14:41] <apachelogger> read write lock on every file and directory within that path
[14:41] <apachelogger> * is only files apparently
[14:41] <apachelogger> actually
[14:41] <apachelogger> thinking about it
[14:41] <seaLne> and the k?
[14:41] <apachelogger> that is still buggy ... what if the user is root
[14:41] <apachelogger> seaLne: locking
[14:43] <seaLne> or that isn't their homedir, at mine is /home/s0/kd
[14:43] <seaLne> at work
[14:45] <seaLne> ok bad example but not just root might not be in /home
[14:46] <apachelogger> hm
[14:48] <apachelogger> http://www.novell.com/documentation/apparmor/book_opensuse_aaquick21_start/index.html?page=/documentation/apparmor/book_opensuse_aaquick21_start/data/article_book_book_opensuse_aaquick_start.html
[14:48] <apachelogger> they use the very same solution I used now
[14:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: kpdf should provide pdf-viewer I guess
[14:50]  * apachelogger there is no kpdf in kde4, is there?
[14:50] <apachelogger> +thinks
[14:50] <ScottK> okular, right?
[14:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: okular :)
[14:51] <apachelogger> ah, ok :)
[14:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for the bad old inabits :)
[14:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can upload with the fix, ok ?
[14:51] <apachelogger> main is frozen
[14:51] <ScottK> I think we're still officially frozen.
[14:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the package will go in when it gets unfrozen
[14:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: no ?
[14:51] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's a soft freeze.
[14:52] <ScottK> Publisher is on, but devs are asked to not upload.
[14:52] <apachelogger> seaLne: seems to be working
[14:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: so we have to wait.... ok :)
[14:53] <apachelogger> just that I don't have a dbus session
[14:53]  * apachelogger switches user
[14:54] <apachelogger> jtechidna: are you using adduser for userconfig's create user?
[14:55] <apachelogger> seaLne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/43632/
[14:55] <apachelogger> all working :)
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: well kdegraphics is prepared, I'll upload once the freeze ends
[14:57] <seele> eek, akademy talks are going up.
[14:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's new in it?
[14:59] <Riddell> oh provides ok
[14:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well any package that depends on pdf-vieser installs me acroread :/
[15:00] <ScottK> Does anyone else have any kde4bindings changes they'd like in?  I'm preparing an upload for after the freeze.
[15:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: package ready, I'll upload after the freeze
[15:00] <jtechidna> apachelogger: no clue, I'm just getting the GUI in shape
[15:00] <seele> hmm.. i twould have been nice if they flipped to the overhead every so often so you can see the slides
[15:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: more importantly, kdesudo doesn't work sometimes
[15:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[15:01] <Riddell> on the first run of adept after a login
[15:01] <apachelogger> jtechidna: there were quite some problems with userconfig not following the settings defiend in teh past IIRC, no clue if they are still existing at all
[15:01] <Tonio_> hum according to mornfall that was an adept issue
[15:01] <apachelogger> well
[15:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: will also fail with sudo
[15:01] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it doesn't terminate upon cancel
[15:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't fix that the kdesudo side
[15:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: sudo+adept issue, not especially kdesudo
[15:02] <Riddell> oem-config-prepare has something similar
[15:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: go to systemsetteings -> advanced -> and click the kdm module -> then click cancel in the kdesudo dialog
[15:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep, I have to check that one out
[15:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: also kdesudo should expect icon names not icon paths
[15:02]  * apachelogger currently has to pass it the path to the kdm icon
[15:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it checks for names
[15:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki I'll handle those 2 ones
[15:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the cancel thing is a bug
[15:04] <apachelogger> k, thanks
[15:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: for adept, I think I can't do anything against that one...
[15:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: except for a workarround in the command in use or something
[15:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: currently working on your issues
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: also removing the xauth output that drives you nuts :)
[15:08] <jtechidna> yay!
[15:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we could also recognize kcm modules I guess
[15:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: not that hard to do, as kcmshell is used
[15:09] <Tonio_> would be nice to output "Login Manager needs upload priviledges" I guess :)
[15:12] <Tonio_> mornfall: any idea what causes the adept problem with sudo already ?
[15:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: absolutely :)
[15:14] <smarter> or be able to launch .desktop
[15:14] <smarter> for example kdesu /usr/share/kde4/services/style.desktop
[15:14] <smarter> and kdesudo will grab the title from the desktop file
[15:18] <Tonio_> hum does "kdesudo dolphin" work for you ?
[15:18] <Tonio_> seems that I get dbus issues here
[15:18] <Tonio_> probably some env things to fix
[15:18] <Tonio_> can you confirm ?
[15:19]  * apachelogger confirms
[15:19] <Tonio_> and what about kdesudo konqueror ?
[15:19] <Tonio_> I get a bunch of output and doesn't work too
[15:19] <smarter> dolphin opens but the window is gray, dbus error in the console
[15:20] <smarter> then it crashes
[15:20] <apachelogger> it should attach to the user's dbus session
[15:20] <apachelogger> otherwise it can't find nepomuk and goes insane
[15:20] <Tonio_> yep
[15:20] <Tonio_> not a big deal to do
[15:20] <smarter> konqueror doesn't seem to launch
[15:20] <smarter> konqueror(16247) KToolInvocation::klauncher: klauncher not running... launching kdeinit
[15:20] <Tonio_> same for me
[15:20] <smarter> or it's taking a lot of time
[15:20] <smarter> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kconf_update
[15:21] <Tonio_> probably
[15:21] <smarter> looks like it's running all of kde in root :p
[15:21] <apachelogger> well
[15:21] <apachelogger> kdesudo also offers --nonewdcop as start option ;-)
[15:21] <Tonio_> apachelogger: fake option still kdesu does the same :)
[15:22] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's just for scripts compatibility
[15:22]  * smarter /away for a bit
[15:22] <apachelogger> okay
[15:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: ksvgtopng from -runtime conflicts with old kdelibs4-dev's ksvgtopng ... should I remove the one from kdelibs4-dev or make the packages mutually exclusive?
[15:25] <apachelogger> I guess option 1 makes more sense
[15:28] <Riddell> yeah 1 would be better
[15:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: cancel click -> done :)
[15:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: now exporting the dbus session
[15:44] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:46] <apachelogger> add postinst and postrm to akonadi
[15:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: I see you were in -release when I joined.  Do you know what we're waiting on for Alpha 5?
[15:52] <meven> hi
[15:52] <meven> i have a question about buidling kde trunk in intrepid
[15:52] <jtechidna> apachelogger: could I have sponsorship for bug 262661?
[15:52] <meven> i encounter a problem about streamanalyzer lib that seams to be outdated or something
[15:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: too few testing, slangasek rerolled a new i386 edubuntu asking for testing 5 hours ago, no one confirmed it worked so far
[15:53] <apachelogger> dunno if he did test it himself by now
[15:53] <ScottK> I see.  Thanks.
[15:53] <meven> did someone work out this problem ?
[15:54] <apachelogger> metellius: the word 'something' is no good word when trying to explain something
[15:55] <metellius> mishighlight?
[15:55] <jjesse_> is the package ubufox the ubuntu customization of firefox?  if i remove it from my kubuntu intrepid build will i lose firefox?
[15:55] <jtechidna> jjesse_: yes, it is an ubuntu customization and is safe to remove
[15:56] <apachelogger> jtechidna: always me
[15:56] <apachelogger> metellius: yes, sorry
[15:56] <apachelogger> meven: see above
[15:56] <jtechidna> apachelogger: you're always around :P
[15:56] <apachelogger> that sounds like I should stop that :P
[15:56] <jussi01> apachelogger: is a super ninja
[15:57] <meven> apachelogger: i wasn't here :/
[15:57] <apachelogger> meh
[15:57] <apachelogger> meven: what is the problem?
[15:57] <apachelogger> holy barracuda, batman!
[15:58] <apachelogger> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main libcairo2 1.6.4-6ubuntu1
[15:58] <apachelogger>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[15:58] <meven> apachelogger: kdelibs refuses to comile because of conflicts with some dummyannalyzer class that is linked to the libtreamanalyzer package
[15:58] <apachelogger> meven: you need kdesupport with all current strigi I guess
[15:59] <meven> apachelogger: i compiled it first :S
[15:59] <meven> the whole kdesupport i mean
[15:59] <meven> on techbase the problem is registered
[15:59] <apachelogger> which problem?
[15:59] <meven> without hint to resolve
[16:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I seem to have got akonadi work, getting the changes somehow backported is going to be fun
[16:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you know you are my hero, right?
[16:00] <Nightrose> ;-)
[16:01] <apachelogger> yus, you are a groupie, I wouldn't expect anything else :P
[16:01] <Nightrose> :P
[16:04]  * apachelogger finished investigation and starts fixing, therefore he switches from daft punk to justice ;-)
[16:08] <meven> apachelogger: the precise error message is "src/kdelibs/kio/kio/dummyanalyzers/dummyanalyzers.cpp:43: error: conflicting return type specified for ‘virtual signed char DummyEndAnalyzer::analyze(Strigi::AnalysisResult&, Strigi::InputStream*)’"
[16:09] <apachelogger> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121978234726907&w=2
[16:10] <meven> apachelogger: thanks i forgot the mailing list
[16:10]  * apachelogger just googled that error :P
[16:11] <meven> :S
[16:11] <meven> i feel a little stupid :/
[16:15] <apachelogger> jtechidna: got a debdiff for kio-bookmarks at hand?
[16:18] <jtechidna> apachelogger: the first upload was a native upload, so there can't be a debdiff
[16:19]  * apachelogger just created one
[16:19] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:19] <apachelogger> jtechidna: kio-bookmarks (0.2-0ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low
[16:19] <apachelogger> you got bogus changelog entries
[16:19] <apachelogger> 0.2 never entered ubuntu
[16:19] <apachelogger> jtechidna: what is the point of the get-orig-source?
[16:19] <jtechidna> Oh, right
[16:20] <jtechidna> apachelogger: to satisfy that dude from the motu council who wanted either a watch file or get-orig-source target
[16:21] <Riddell> are those complementary?
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: for updating the tarball, they are pretty much
[16:22] <apachelogger> not for automatic QA tracking
[16:22] <apachelogger> and certainly not when the actual upload is not based on any of them
[16:22] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I am seriously unhappy with having a get-orig-source target when the actual upload is not based on it
[16:22] <apachelogger> especially if it is stable vs. svn
[16:23] <jtechidna> apachelogger: ok, I'll just remove it then. a watch file isn't possible in this case either but oh well
[16:23] <jtechidna> apachelogger: would you like me to just upload it to revu?
[16:24]  * apachelogger generally thinks using revu for any kind of sponsoring is a reasonable good idea ;-)
[16:25]  * jtechidna uploads
[16:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: exporting the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS doesn't help
[16:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the strange thing is that my current standard ser has this set :
[16:26] <Tonio_> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-eRHqYGK3qz,guid=7a4d71c4e6b374fb281d157e48c11a11
[16:26] <Tonio_> the /tmp file doesn't exist.... I must say I don't know how that works
[16:27]  * apachelogger finds dbus overly complex really
[16:27] <apachelogger> Tonio_: maybe some dbus guru is around in kde-devel
[16:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: true that, I really prefered dcop.....
[16:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: actually, wouldn't kdesu do something similar?
[16:28] <apachelogger> considering it should be able to start dolphin and konqueror
[16:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well sudo is :)
[16:30] <Tonio_> it should only be a matter of env variables in fact
[16:30] <Tonio_> sudo -H konqueror works like a charm for example
[16:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the issue is somehow due to kprocess....
[16:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: /usr/bin/sudo -H -S -p passprompt -- /usr/bin/kcmshell4 kdm --lang fr
[16:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: works
[16:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: weird.......... but I'll find a workarround
[16:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea what can cause the difference ?
[16:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: /usr/bin/sudo -H -S -p passprompt -- konqueror
[16:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: that works
[16:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesudo executes the same in a KProcess and that fails.......
[16:49]  * apachelogger is wondering if mailody fetches just the mail headers or the bodies as well
[16:49] <apachelogger> that takes quite long really
[16:49] <smarter> Tonio_: maybe it has something to do with the xauth command kdesudo executes?
[16:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I fixed akonadi-kde to depend on -server, mailody to depend on -kde and -server and -server to work properly in hopefully all possible usecases
[16:50] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[16:50] <Tonio_> smarter: nothing to do with xauth unfortunatelly
[16:50]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[16:50] <Nightrose> you are the bestest :P
[16:50] <Tonio_> smarter: problem to access dbus and that's it
[16:51] <Tonio_> smarter: works for what doesn't use dbus
[16:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: maybe kprocesses messes up the envionment vars?
[16:51] <smarter> try with QProcess?
[16:51] <smarter> or the function in c++ std libs
[16:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: "kdesudo env" gives the same result as sudo -H -P -- env
[16:51] <apachelogger> very strange
[16:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: true that :/
[16:52] <apachelogger> jtechidna: suggestions for bug 217763 ?
[16:53]  * apachelogger doesn't think we can do anything about it, plus intrepid uses .kde + new phonondevicesrc anyway
[16:54] <jtechidna> yeah, I don't really think we can do much
[16:54] <jtechidna> but how to approach the actual report...
[16:55] <apachelogger> KDE screwed up in 4.0 and didn't provide a proper transition path for > 4.0.0
[16:56] <apachelogger> We don't plan to do so either, because 4.0 is as a whole very unreliable and 4.1 in Intrepid is going to use .kde and therefore gets a new configuration file
[16:56] <jtechidna> We could also fall back to this if we're feeling really lazy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs resolved after update or config change
[16:56] <jtechidna> :P
[16:57] <apachelogger> well
[16:57] <apachelogger> doesn't apply
[16:57] <apachelogger> you have t upgrade + kill your old config
[16:57] <apachelogger> though
[16:58] <ScottK> Since we released Hardy with 4.0 in it, I feel we really should support transition if we can.
[16:58] <apachelogger> jtechidna: maybe we can fix it after all
[16:58] <jtechidna> do we know what the problem with the config file actually is?
[16:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: +1 but if it turns out to be too complicate we might as well close the report.
[16:59] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:59] <apachelogger> jtechidna: no, but you will ask for a working config file :P
[16:59] <apachelogger> from one of the people who uploaded a broken one
[16:59] <jtechidna> apachelogger: you said KDE didn't offer a proper transition for > 4.0.0
[16:59] <apachelogger> I hope that just some configuration key changed in which case we could use kconf_update to fix it
[16:59] <jtechidna> did you mean > 4.0.x?
[17:00] <apachelogger> from .0 to anything later
[17:01] <apachelogger> Anyway, I think the problem is really that phonon messed up device order at first 4.0.x start and doesn't handle this very well in later versions.
[17:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: konqueror runs fine from kdesudo here
[17:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[17:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde4 kdesudo ?
[17:06] <smarter> oh, it run fines here too now
[17:06] <Tonio_> wtf ?????????
[17:06]  * Tonio_ rebooting......
[17:06] <Tonio_> I'm lost
[17:06] <smarter> maybe it's because I tried it earlier
[17:06] <Nightrose> jtechidna: do you feel like backporting some of those plasmoids you packaged? and do you have the time for it?
[17:07] <smarter> Tonio_: the xauth file has a timeout of 60 seconds, maybe konqueror takes longer to start?
[17:07] <Tonio_> smarter: good idea but I get the error after a couple of seconds
[17:07] <Tonio_> rebooting
[17:07] <jtechidna> Nightrose: I could probably backport some.
[17:07] <Nightrose> jtechidna: that would rock :)
[17:10] <jtechidna> Nightrose: which ones did you have in mind?
[17:10] <jtechidna> Czessi did lancelot yesterday btw
[17:11] <jtechidna> Riddell: new update-notifier-kde works great. Nice icon too
[17:11] <Nightrose> jtechidna: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=plasmoid <- teacooker, lancelot, flickr, am4rok, system-status, weather
[17:12] <Nightrose> pick whatever you have time for
[17:12] <Nightrose> are there more than those mentioned on that page?
[17:12] <jtechidna> that's just about all of them
[17:13] <jtechidna> am4rok only works with juk at the moment though :( amarok dbus api changes
[17:13] <Riddell> jtechidna: yay
[17:13] <Nightrose> jtechidna: ok then it is useless to me ;-)
[17:13] <Nightrose> maybe others would like it though
[17:13] <jussi01> *cry* I want lancelot on Hardy!
[17:14] <Nightrose> haha
[17:14] <Nightrose> jussi01: chances are good jtechidna will backport it ;-)
[17:14] <jtechidna> jussi01: Czessi did it yesterday
[17:14] <jussi01> jtechidna: really?
[17:14] <jussi01> is it in the ppa?
[17:14] <Nightrose> but not for hardy
[17:14] <jussi01> oh
[17:14] <jtechidna> he uploaded it to the ppa yesterday
[17:14] <jtechidna> maybe he accidentally uploaded to hardy...
[17:14]  * Nightrose checks again
[17:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: does kdesudo dolphin works for you ?
[17:15] <jtechidna> *to intrepid, I mean
[17:15] <Nightrose> last I looked it was not there
[17:15]  * jtechidna checks the ppa
[17:15] <Tonio_> works for me now
[17:15] <jussi01> its in the hardy ppa - least my apt-cache says so
[17:15] <Tonio_> kdesudo konqueror still fails
[17:15] <Nightrose> wohooooooo
[17:15] <Nightrose> there it is
[17:15] <jtechidna> :)
[17:15] <Nightrose> jussi01: it is available
[17:15]  * Nightrose hugs Czessi__
[17:16] <jussi01> YEPS!!!!
[17:16] <jtechidna> somebody should blog about it
[17:16] <Nightrose> hehe yea
[17:16] <Nightrose> Czessi__: blog blog blog!
[17:16] <Nightrose> :p
[17:16] <jussi01> Im going to I think....
[17:16] <Nightrose> or you
[17:16] <Nightrose> yea
[17:17] <jussi01> OOOHHHH!!! SUPER SEXY!!!
[17:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[17:17] <Nightrose> hehe
[17:18] <Nightrose> ohhhhhhh
[17:18] <Nightrose> sweet
[17:18]  * Nightrose likes
[17:19] <jtechidna> it is quite nice
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you paste me your kdesudo konqueror output somewhere please ?
[17:19] <jussi01> This is super sweet!
[17:19] <jussi01> Czessi__: you rock!!
[17:19] <jussi01> and whoeer designed that
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/m6903195b
[17:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/43666/
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is what I get, and no window comes out
[17:21] <jussi01> although... the background is hardcoded white...
[17:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea why I get this ?
[17:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, but if I logout and in again I get the same thing
[17:21] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/43667/
[17:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting..........
[17:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate
[17:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: now working for me......... super weird
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum understand what happens
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hen you "sudo -H -- konqueror" once, it'll create what's needed so that kdesudo then works....
[17:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: for some reason, due to kprocess, there is something going wrong with the same command started in kprocess first....
[17:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe working like in a jail or something....
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe we should consider switching back to a shellprocess or something
[18:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm rewritting kdesudo to use qprocess instead, seems to fix according to my tests
[18:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, qprocess seems to pass all the environment, so no trick for Xauth, which is very cool :)
[19:26] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: wohooooooo
[19:26] <Nightrose> ark worksforme
[19:26] <Nightrose> thanks a bunch
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: wohooooooooo
[19:28] <Nightrose> mailody and akonaditray no longer complain
[19:28] <Nightrose> let's see if I can actually get my emails with it from gmail
[19:28]  * Nightrose hands cookies to apachelogger and JontheEchidna
[20:42] <yuriy> ScottK: sorry, not going to be able to get the hug day prepared for next tuesday
[20:52] <ScottK> yuriy: Urgh.  OK.  Can we do it another time?
[22:16] <ScottK> NCommander: indi FTBFS on sparc and PPC.  Would you please have another look?
[22:16] <NCommander> WTF
[22:16] <NCommander> Link to build logs
[22:17] <ScottK> Note, I haven't even looked at the logs.  In a hurry.
[22:17] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17316140/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-sparc.indi_5%3A0.5-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:17] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17316090/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-powerpc.indi_5%3A0.5-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:18] <NCommander> I didn't get the build failure notifications yet O_O;
[22:20] <NCommander> Argh, damn it, my patch didn't quite work, I missed a sys/io.h
[22:20] <NCommander> I test built this though ...
[22:20] <NCommander> BAH
[22:25] <ScottK> Please be attaching another debdiff to the bug then.
[22:25] <ScottK> Actually, I can probably do it.
[22:26] <NCommander> ScottK, I rerolled the patch, test building again. I think some changes got merged into the diff wrongly, and I rolled a bad debdiff
[22:34] <NCommander> ScottK, the issue was pbuilder on the PowerPC machine had a hardy chroot; I forgot to change the default there >.>;
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> Ok srsly, we need a pimpin' alpha5 release announcement
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> whatever happened to those wiki pages like in the last releases?
[23:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nixternal got a job is what happened
[23:33] <Riddell> but he's still got to come to UDS in Decembre, we're not letting him off that :)
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Well I think the changes in Kubuntu are 100x more exciting than the ones in Ubuntu
[23:35] <Riddell> it's a whole new revolution for us
[23:36] <NCommander> Riddell, want to sponsor koffice2's fix?
[23:36] <Riddell> NCommander: sure
[23:36] <NCommander> Riddell, also mind sponsoring a fix for indi? (my last one fixed it on Hardy, not intrepid >.>;, I forgot to upgrade pbuilder on the PPC)
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> is main unfrozen yet?
[23:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: alpha is announced so I guess it is
[23:37] <blizzz> where did nixternal get his information for the release messages? was it just by hearsay?
[23:38] <Riddell> NCommander: yes please
[23:38] <Riddell> blizzz: yes, just asking here and people saying what they've been up to in the last two or three weeks
[23:38] <NCommander> Riddell, uploading indi debdiff
[23:39] <NCommander> Riddell, koffice2 is built in my PPA (saves you three to four hours confirming the fix works ;-))
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: once you have time I'd like sponsor ship for bug 264370 and bug 224212
[23:39] <blizzz> mh, something i'd not dare to do :(
[23:40] <Riddell> blizzz: if someone starts it as a template other people can fill in the gaps
[23:40]  * JontheEchidna was going to copy over the skeleton of a hardy release wiki
[23:40] <NCommander> Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indi/+bug/264504
[23:41] <NCommander> Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - my PPA with koffice built on all x86* architectures
[23:44] <blizzz> is there something yet for alpha 5?
[23:45] <NCommander> Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice2/+bug/266941
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Adept & update-notifier-kde are new in alpha5, correct?
[23:46] <Riddell> blizzz: KDE 4.1.1,  apport by default, volume keys work, compositing will work if you install mesa-utils, adept 3, update-notifier-kde will work if you dist-upgrade for update notifying; apport notifying; reboot notifying and upgrade hooks
[23:46] <Riddell> amarok 2 beta is available in universe
[23:47] <NCommander> Riddell, is there any packaging to be done for KDE?
[23:48] <Riddell> NCommander: meta-kde needs updated for kde 4
[23:48] <Riddell> meta-kde4 got removed this week
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: I've on a page for alpha5
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> blah
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> *I'm working on a page
[23:49] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: if you need help or so you may ping me... i dunno wether i can do something productive, but it'd be interesting
[23:49] <Riddell> screenshots always help
[23:49] <blizzz> Riddell: ty
[23:54] <Nightrose> seele: looks like you dropped off planet kde :(
[23:54] <Nightrose> just noticed as I saw your last blog on planet ubuntu but not on planet kde
[23:55] <Riddell> just before anyone asks, I can't fix planet when it breaks I'm afraid
[23:55] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:55] <NCommander> Riddell, you can make world, but you can't fix it :-P
[23:55]  * NCommander runs
[23:58] <Riddell> koffice2 uploaded
[23:58] <Riddell> NCommander: you didn't put the bug number in the changelog so make sure to close it manually


[19:25] <bread555> Does anyone know where to disable the maas-test functionality? Due to my config, I don't really need remote power up/off so just need to prevent maas from not installing due to hardward configurations
[22:20] <qhartman> I have a MAAS isntallation running, but nodes are failing to be commissioned
[22:21] <qhartman> When I get to the commissioning step, they power up (WOL) and seem t o start commissioning, but then shut down right as the process seems to get going. Googling has failed me.
[22:21] <qhartman> Any suggestions for where to look on the server for some logs that point me in the right direction?
[22:22] <qhartman> I get a string of "Success" messages and then what looks like some service start status messages, then shutdown. Not sure what happens last, it shuts down too quick to really read
[22:26] <qhartman> Oh, it's also noteworthy that it complains aboutno ipmi user slots being available right before the string of "success" messages. Since it got past that I thought it might not be a fatal error
[22:26] <qhartman> but I suppose some power control stuff might be happening incorrectly as a result and that might be what's killing the nodes before the install can really go
[22:49] <qhartman> ok, another one I've found is that I need to change the interface that etherwake uses to turn up nodes
[22:50] <qhartman> I've found /etc/maas/templates/ether_wake.template and made the appropriate change there (added "-i eth1"), but how do I make that change live? MAAS seems to be ignoring it.
[23:07] <qhartman> turns out I needed to add an ssh key to the MAAS system, to enable the start button, and that's when the installation actually happens
[23:08] <qhartman> That's not called out in the docs anywhere that I've seen, fwiw


[06:39] <llogiq> Hi folks.
[07:29]  * llogiq has solved his problem with the bcmwl-kernel-source package and the BCM43142 chipset.
[07:31] <llogiq> Thanks to teward, I was able to apply the patch that some arch linux folks have dug up.
[07:33] <llogiq> I have started a good number of large downloads last night to test the solution. All of them finished successfully. :-)
[09:00] <dingus> Hello all, I have installed lubuntu 14.01.1 on my old p3, 512 ram, 20 gb hd.
[09:00] <dingus> I like it.
[09:01] <dingus> ^14.04.1
[13:08] <MACscr> how do i remove lpanel or whatever its called? I simply want to use glx-dock instead
[13:08] <MACscr> dont need both open
[18:00] <__attribute__> Has anyone ever had an issue with installing Lubuntu 32 bit machine where after installing to the HDD you boot into a blinking cursor?
[18:00] <holstein> sure
[18:00] <__attribute__> I have googled this issue quite a bit and this has not helped.
[18:01] <holstein> on hardware that is either broken, or doenst support linux well, i have seen that
[18:01] <holstein> i have dealt with it many ways
[18:01] <wxl> __attribute__: usually it's because something failed in the download or copy to install media. one bit of difference could create such a difference.
[18:01] <holstein> could be thats simple, as well ^
[18:01] <holstein> could be the installation media, or the destination drive
[18:02] <holstein> what do i do? i start at the beginning.. i download what i want, in this case, lubuntu 14.04 32bit.. i confirm the md5 sum.. i then, just boot live.. if i have issues, i test the installation media. i'll do that with the integrity check, or by just trying it on another machine
[18:02] <__attribute__> Hmmm, the PC in question is from around 2007, with a Intel Pentimun, 80GB HDD and 512MB RAM. I thought that the hardware was too old for Linux...
[18:02] <holstein> i'll then move to testing the ram and the hard drive.. i'll do whatever it takes to get a live desktop, so i can see what works, and how well
[18:03] <wxl> __attribute__: nope. go check the hashes.
[18:03] <holstein> then, i'll install
[18:03] <holstein> if i cant install due to resources, like not enough ram, i'll use..
[18:03] <holstein> !mini
[18:03] <holstein> __attribute__: its not the "age" of the hardware.. it'll be the functional state of it, and/or support level
[18:03] <__attribute__> How old can hardware be for Linux to still work on it?
[18:03] <holstein> nothing about lubuntu is preventing you from using it anywhere
[18:04] <holstein> __attribute__: that depends, more on support level than age
[18:04] <wxl> __attribute__: well, if we want to get really pedantic, you could run LINUX (read: the kernel) on just about anything.
[18:04] <holstein> yup ^
[18:05] <wxl> __attribute__: if you're asking about what are the system requirements of a particular distrbution of linux, including the graphic server, window manager, etc., that's a different question and one that depends on which distro you're talking about. you can find system requirements at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[18:06] <__attribute__> Well, judging from y'all answers, when I run the memtest+ it doesn't pick up any errors with the RAM Module but in the hard disk test it says there is an error of sorts...
[18:07] <__attribute__> wxl, system requirements I know but my question pertained more to support for old hardware...
[18:08] <__attribute__> wxl, Haha, the Linux kernel I don't think I'm brave enough.
[18:08] <wxl> __attribute__: that doesn't necessarily relate to the first steps holstein and i suggested, but if you have an issue with the hard drive, that's kind of a no-go sort of situation. should you want help from us, you need to be more specific.
[18:08] <wxl> __attribute__: it doesn't matter if it's old. it matters if it's enough. linux basically runs on everything. it was built on old hardware.
[18:09] <__attribute__> Well, should I give you the entire description of what happens? I remember most of it... At least I think I do.
[18:09] <wxl> __attribute__: as i said, specifics matter.
[18:10] <__attribute__> Cool, I'll type it out now now.
[18:10] <wxl> !pastebin | __attribute__
[18:12] <__attribute__> ubottu, thanks! I'm still a newbie, appreciate the help!
[18:15] <__attribute__> ubottu, will do. :)
[18:22] <holstein> also, i'll just, personally, throw a few live CD's at hardware.. its like detective work.. isolating and seeing what works and how
[18:22] <holstein> *Then*, you have specific support issues, which, are not addressed
[18:25] <__attribute__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9902245/
[18:25] <__attribute__> Well take a look and let me know if my issue is applicable here.
[18:27] <holstein> __attribute__: it is, and it isnt
[18:28] <holstein> __attribute__: the first issue is, 13.10 is EOL
[18:28] <holstein> __attribute__: i suggest, use the 14.04 iso.. as mentioned above, and follow the proceedure outlined above
[18:30] <holstein> __attribute__: *all* hardware/hard drives fail.. so, dont assume that machine is functional..
[18:30] <__attribute__> holstein, thanks. I'll buy a few CD's tomorrow and play around til something works.
[18:30] <holstein> __attribute__: when you load the 14.04 live iso, do you get to the deskop? the live desktop?
[18:31] <__attribute__> I'll have to download the 14.04 iso, which will result in an all-day event with my Internet.
[18:32] <holstein> sure.. and i understand that frustration.. but, 13.10 is EOL
[18:32] <holstein> 13.10 *shouold* run, but, your internet can be the issue here
[18:32] <holstein> !md5
[18:32] <holstein> ^ you can confirm the downloaded file downloaded properly
[18:34] <__attribute__> I'll check out the links definitely. Thanks guys!
[18:36] <__attribute__> Thanks for your help guys, cheers.
[19:02] <guest2_> I got a message who tell me i cud not download and update flashplayer. i use 14.04.1
[19:04] <Mr_Comet> oh
[19:04] <Mr_Comet> guest2_-  no more flash support for linux.
[19:05] <Mr_Comet> i think Chrome browser will have support for flash.
[19:05] <Mr_Comet> hope anyone here can give you different answer.
[19:05] <guest2_> I usae firefox and a new flashplayer was in the updates.
[19:06] <Mr_Comet> bug fix yes.
[19:06] <Mr_Comet> new version. not sure.
[19:06] <Mr_Comet> dont think so.
[19:08] <guest2_> what do you meen ? it is a new flashplayer but it cud not download it.
[19:09] <Mr_Comet> no idea.
[19:09] <guest2_> if there was no support it will not be in the updates.
[19:14] <guest2_> Is it no more new flashplayer for linux anymore ?
[19:14] <Mr_Comet> thats what i was saying earlier.
[19:15] <Mr_Comet> no more new version.
[19:15] <Mr_Comet> just bug updates only.
[19:15] <guest2_> ok
[19:16] <guest2_> So the message is nothing to worry abut i think.
[19:17] <Mr_Comet> i guess so
[19:19] <guest2_> why are they stop make new versions ? in the future it can be problems to use flashmovies then.
[19:19] <ianorlin> that is adobe's fault not ours
[19:20] <Mr_Comet> ianorlin-  TRUE
[19:20] <Mr_Comet> They hate Linux cuz they cant get free unlimited access to user data :D
[19:20] <Mr_Comet> who knows :D
[19:20] <Mr_Comet> thats a wild guess :D
[19:21] <guest2_> we have html5 it can be the reasen.
[19:22] <Mr_Comet> not sure if its smooth
[19:26] <krytarik> guest2_: For that matter, update your package database, then try again.
[19:30] <guest2_> how to update the package database ?
[19:30] <Mr_Comet> Menu>System tools>Software Updater?
[19:31] <guest2_> You meen run the updates over again ? it tells me the computer is up to date.
[19:34] <Mr_Comet> then its up to date then
[19:34] <guest2_> yes.. good.
[20:19] <anjo-aladiah> With Lubuntu 14.10 	after an update i lose sound. how to reinstall the sound control volume in console ?
[20:30] <anjo-aladiah> With Lubuntu 14.10 after an update i lose sound. how to reinstall in console ?What it is the command to reinstall alsa mixer.
[20:30] <Mr_Comet> sorry no idea
[20:31] <Mr_Comet> maybe try menu>system tools>
[20:31] <Mr_Comet> synaptic package manager
[20:31] <Mr_Comet> those are my guesses
[20:32] <Mr_Comet> thats what i would do
[20:33] <anjo-aladiah> ok


[00:34] <Noskcaj> What should i do to the new symbols that are suggested on the build status page?
[00:35] <yofel> Noskcaj: which ones?
[00:36] <yofel> if it's kde-workspace, that's missing a symbol and shadeslayer was investigating that
[00:49] <Noskcaj> yofel, i was looking at liblangtag, but really i'm asking about all of them
[00:50] <Noskcaj> i just need something to do
[00:51] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, what do you want to do?
[00:51] <smartboyhw> (And BTW, we are now in Feature Freeze)
[00:51] <yofel> aah, that build status page
[00:52] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, you can update those which are "bugfix" releases I think
[00:52] <yofel> he was asking about symbols
[00:52] <yofel> Noskcaj: I would personally leave it, as the package is synced from debian
[00:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah, symbols:)
[00:52] <smartboyhw> Heh heh
[00:53] <yofel> I don't think symbols really justify an ubuntu diff just for them
[00:53] <Noskcaj> ok
[00:53]  * Noskcaj resume playing borderlans
[00:53] <Noskcaj> *borderlands
[00:53] <yofel> ^^
[00:53] <smartboyhw> The WHAT?
[00:54] <manchicken> Hey all, anybody know a thing or two about the bcm nonsense with Saucy?
[00:55] <manchicken> That gigantic old HP I had back at UDS-Sevilla, I'm trying to image it using Saucy, but every time I try to install the restricted drivers I get a panic.
[02:24] <manchicken> I have a non-ideal dev setup going, a clean build on this old HP box. I'm not sure how fantastic it'll be long-term, but for now it should help me finish this piece I was doing.
[02:26] <manchicken> I'm currently configuring the build environment and all that fun stuff.
[02:29] <manchicken> This old HP doesn't really work well with Saucy.
[02:30] <manchicken> ScottK: You still doing arm builds?
[02:31] <manchicken> I'm just going through the build outcome reports trying to see if there's anything I could find useful.
[02:36] <ScottK> manchicken: I can test build something for you if you have a fix you'd like checked.
[02:37] <manchicken> I'm just kinda looking at stuff.
[02:37] <ScottK> K.
[02:37] <manchicken> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147516816/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.kubrick_4%3A4.11.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:37] <manchicken> That's one I just saw.
[02:37] <manchicken> I'm prepping a build environment on an 8-year-old machine, so it's taking a while :)
[02:38] <ScottK> Heh.
[02:40] <manchicken> I'm still installing prereqs.
[02:48] <manchicken> Okay, for this one the answer is pretty simple...
[02:49] <manchicken> You have two conflicting definitions for GLintptr. One eventually resolves to `int` while the other resolves to `signed long int`
[02:52] <manchicken> There's gotta be some macro that is making it pick on over the other on Intel, because on my x86-64 box: sizeof(int)==4 and sizeof(signed long int)==8
[02:53] <ScottK> On arm, GL is actually GLES.  Is it defined differently?
[02:54] <manchicken> Yeah
[02:54] <Noskcaj> Does anyone mind if i work on qt4-x11? make it lintian clean(er), add symbols, patch a few things
[02:54] <manchicken> The GLES2 is actually the one defining the type to be larger.
[02:55] <ScottK> Noskcaj: Changes like that should ideally be done in Debian for qt4-x11.
[02:56] <ScottK> It's probably not your best choice of things to work on.
[02:56] <Noskcaj> ScottK, ok
[02:56] <Noskcaj> ScottK, even though it's an ubuntu only version?
[02:56] <manchicken> I will need help with the wifi drivers on this HP machine eventually.
[02:57] <Noskcaj> and seems to have been always
[02:57] <ScottK> We try to minimize the diff.
[02:57] <manchicken> Saucy's broadcom package panics the kernel on install.
[02:57] <Noskcaj> ok
[02:57] <ScottK> BTW, the mail you sent about Qt on pppc is only Qt5.  Kubuntu is currently using Qt4 only, so it doesn't affect us.
[02:58] <ScottK> The Qt5 V8 powerpc port issues should be decided upstream.
[03:04] <tsimpson> I thought they (Qt) had a "V4" engine for where V8 doesn't work
[03:09] <Noskcaj> ScottK, ok, although it does make a stack of your packages FTBFS
[03:09] <ScottK> Yes, but it needs solving upstream, not here.
[03:11] <Noskcaj> ok
[03:12] <manchicken> I think I need to submit a bug for the 3rd party driver installer.
[03:13] <manchicken> It silently exits if there's no network, it seems.
[03:21] <tsimpson> apparently V8 is gone in 5.2
[03:29] <manchicken> ScottK: I think libqapt is using qt5...
[03:29] <manchicken> The latest version...
[03:30] <manchicken> I'm fact-checking myself.
[03:32] <manchicken> I'm wrong, ignore me.
[03:42] <manchicken> Yay... the latest apt-pkg has deprecated a method used by qapt.
[03:48] <manchicken> wtf... why does a `sudo make install` result in erros from GNUmakefile?
[03:53] <manchicken> manchicken@chickenChicken:~/chickenSandwich/Documents/Devel/kubuntu/libqapt$ sudo make install
[03:53] <manchicken> make: stat: GNUmakefile: Permission denied
[03:53] <manchicken> make: stat: makefile: Permission denied
[03:53] <manchicken> make: stat: Makefile: Permission denied
[03:53] <manchicken> make: stat: install: Permission denied
[03:53] <manchicken> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[03:53] <manchicken> Weaksauce
[04:07] <manchicken> Okay, it's an sshfs permissions problem. Great...
[04:07] <manchicken> Okay, I'm going to head to bed. I have an 8AM 10mi run, so I'll jump online once I've finished with that.
[06:26] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ping
[06:36] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i'm here
[06:37] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, private message?
[06:37] <Noskcaj> sure
[08:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, we still need to fix kde-workspace also
[08:14] <smartboyhw> Can't access the buildlog, so can't do anything
[08:14] <yofel> are you using chromium?
[08:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, yes
[08:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: ping, found something out wrt. kde-workspace?
[08:14] <smartboyhw> Huh, Chromium doesn't work with that!?
[08:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: use something else ;)
[08:15]  * smartboyhw thinks EVERY browser has a flaw
[08:15] <smartboyhw> For Firefox, everything crashes easily
[08:15] <yofel> Launchpad is really only validated against firefox
[08:15] <smartboyhw> For Rekonq/Konqueror, can't access pad
[08:15] <smartboyhw> For Chromium, can't access LP buildlogs
[08:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, I think they ARE switching from Firefox to Chromium in 14.04 or so, right?
[08:15] <yofel> first time I hear about that
[08:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, they originally wanted to do the switch in 13.10
[08:16] <smartboyhw> But obviously, they can't make it
[08:16] <smartboyhw> (And BTW, it's facing strong opposition)
[08:16] <smartboyhw> For me, it's strong "yes"
[08:17] <yofel> depends. For me firefox works better in general. rekonq is too slow and chromium uses too much memory
[08:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, in reverse, Firefox always crashes for me
[08:17] <yofel> though i have both firefox and chromium running right now
[08:17] <smartboyhw> And rekonq isn't good at anything
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Can't read KDE pads:(
[08:17] <yofel> rekonq is good at desktop integration. And that's it
[08:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, looks like kde-workspace got some symbols again
[08:20] <yofel> it's missing one, shadeslayer was looking at it
[08:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah
[08:20] <smartboyhw> I think we will want 4.11.1 out a.s.a.p for KDE SC 4.11.1:P
[08:20] <smartboyhw> Oops, 13.10 Beta 1;P
[11:58] <Peace-> mm sudo service networking restart => kde nework manager crash
[12:22] <smartboyhw> In debian/rules, you define DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH variable but don't use
[12:22] <smartboyhw> it. You also override dh_auto_configure to reinvoke it as is.
[12:22] <smartboyhw> How to reinvoke?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> "Morning folks
[12:40] <smartboyhw> ^ Ignore me, solved that out
[13:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: smartboyhw Eike isn't online
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, who isn't online?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> the guy we need to consult regarding the new symbols
[13:27] <shadeslayer> though I think we should just go ahead and patch it
[13:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, eh
[13:27]  * smartboyhw volunteers shadeslayer to patch since he has to finish his summer homework for school tmr
[13:28]  * shadeslayer potentially has Conjunctivitis
[13:28] <shadeslayer> can't look at the screen for too long
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Conjunctivities?!
[13:28]  * smartboyhw does not know biology too well for this
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Conjunctivitis, yes, inflamation/swelling around the eye , it's not too much at the moment, just broke out last night, but I need to consult a doctor tomorrow
[13:29] <shadeslayer> kubotu: wikipedia Conjunctivitis
[13:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh:(
[13:29] <shadeslayer> hmmm ... I suppose that's broken then
[13:36] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1197317] After KDE update in Saucy, PowerDevil does not suspend the system @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1197317 (by Wladimir Mutel)
[19:08] <manchicken> Okay, I need someone to help me help you.
[19:08] <manchicken> FindKDE4Internal.cmake <-- cmake is complaining that this isn't found.
[19:11] <yofel> That file is part of kdelibs5-dev if it's not installed, otherwise please pastebin the output of whatever you're trying to do.
[19:12] <manchicken> Argh... I think that it's a cache file...
[19:13] <manchicken> I wish there was a good way to say `cmake clean up everything you generated`
[19:13] <yofel> rm -rf ? ^^
[19:13] <manchicken> With cmake, it seems like at least half of all of my trouble is due to cache files.
[19:13] <manchicken> YEah, but where do I delete stuff? :)
[19:14] <yofel> hm, with cmake, the usual way to build something is to make a 'build' folder and run cmake in there, then you can simply delete everything later
[19:14] <yofel> if you ran cmake in the source it's harder
[19:15] <yofel> if it's a git clone you can run 'git clean -dfx' to remove any files that aren't tracked by git
[19:16] <yofel> in any other case I would probably just unpack/fetch the source again
[19:18] <manchicken> No, this time I was actually missing the kdelibs5-dev
[19:24] <manchicken> SWEET! I have a build environment.
[19:25] <manchicken> I might actually be able to do something useful today.
[19:26] <manchicken> I'm going to have to deal with a little bit of trouble using sshfs with the build process, but it seems like if I throw it the reconnect option then it works just fine.
[19:55] <manchicken> Tonio: You there?
[20:09] <manchicken> I love how sometimes a build issue with Polkit or Debconf results in weird errors which have apparently nothing to do with the actual problem.
[21:07] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Hey man, you there?
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: yup
[21:07] <manchicken> So, I'm having polkit trouble.
[21:08] <manchicken> I suspect that it's due to how I'm running this thing.
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> oh?
[21:08] <manchicken> Yeah, I'm running it on an old laptop I'm forwarding X on.
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, yeah, that sounds like it could be the problem if you're having problems. Unfortunately I don't really have any experience using forwarded-X
[21:09] <manchicken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6052834/
[21:09] <manchicken> That's what I'm seeing.
[21:10] <manchicken> So, as a different approach, I'm trying to set up VNC on the laptop and just VNC in.
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> bug 614291
[21:11] <manchicken> But I'm having a hard time finding a VNC server that'll play nice with headless machines
[21:12] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I suppose that's a problem then :)
[21:13] <manchicken> I can't get Saucy to play nice with wifi drivers, so I just set it up in my closet on a wire and I'm trying to work with it using my ASUS.
[21:33] <manchicken> This is frustrating...
[21:33] <manchicken> I can't get any of the VNC packages on saucy to play nice.
[22:03] <manchicken> I am having no end to trouble with this thing.
[22:15] <manchicken> SWEET!
[22:18] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: So... yeah... trying to remove sources results in ALL sources being removed...
[22:24] <manchicken> apachelogger: Is it okay for me just to go out to the filessytem and delete the file?
[22:28] <manchicken> I'm thinking of cheating, writing the sources to an exceedingly-obtusely named file if we're worried someone might actually have a file written that.
[22:36] <manchicken> Anybody ever install krazy2 before?
[22:36] <manchicken> I'm trying to run this util on the code before I send it to Harald again and make a fool of myself :)


[15:59] <caravena> Help with report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1650918
[16:43] <nacc> caravena: given that this is just for a webcam in a pre-beta release, i'm guessing maybe it isn't getting the highest priority. But if the fix is going upstream, it will naturally get in.
[16:43] <nacc> caravena: also, just a warning? really not critical to get a fix for it, then


[05:49] <diskjockey> hey all
[05:49] <LaserJock> hi
[05:50] <diskjockey> I can't seem to change the login screen of my thin clients. (System -> administration -> login screen was of any help). any ideas ?
[05:51] <diskjockey> btw I was wondering if anyone has deployed a production server of edubuntu gutsy yet ?
[05:53] <diskjockey> anyone awake ?
[05:53] <diskjockey> LaserJock: how goes ?
[05:53] <LaserJock> I"m awake
[05:54] <LaserJock> a bit busy though
[05:54] <LaserJock> there are lots of production servers running edubuntu gutsy
[05:54] <LaserJock> although I don't know that anybody in here currently is
[05:54] <LaserJock> since it's kind of a bad time of day
[05:55] <LaserJock> the login screen for LTSP is LDM
[05:55] <LaserJock> not GDM which is what's used on the server itself, and what you're looking at when you go into the System menu
[05:57] <diskjockey> u know what for a half sleepy guy u rock
[06:00] <LaserJock> diskjockey: there is a LDM section in the Edubuntu Handbook
[06:01] <LaserJock> if you're on an Edubuntu gutsy machine go to System -> Help & Support -> Edubuntu Handbook (on the left bar)
[06:02] <diskjockey> LaserJock: just doing that. I'll let u know if I succeed fail
[06:02] <LaserJock> I don't know if it'll help you but that's the best I've got
[06:03] <diskjockey> dont worry u still rock
[06:13] <diskjockey> it seems LDM was not installed (and it doesn't come out of the box installed) so yeah . just aptgetting it
[06:13] <diskjockey> I hope I find my way from here on but yeah thanx agin
[06:14] <diskjockey> again*
[06:19] <LaserJock> diskjockey: how did you install Edubuntu?
[06:26] <diskjockey> CD
[06:26] <diskjockey> then apt-get updated it ofcourse. anything wrong with that ?
[06:30] <LaserJock> diskjockey: what CD?
[06:30] <LaserJock> and what install option?
[06:35] <diskjockey> edubuntu sever CD
[06:36] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:36] <diskjockey> install options ? there were not any. If I rememvber correctlyu
[06:36] <diskjockey> what are u thinking ?
[06:36] <LaserJock> when you boot initially
[06:36] <LaserJock> there should be several options
[06:36] <diskjockey> no . no options
[06:37] <diskjockey> options like what. U mean the ncurses type of options etc..
[06:37] <LaserJock> at the very beginning
[06:37] <LaserJock> when you boot it
[06:37] <diskjockey> I did choose the ltsp build option
[06:37] <LaserJock> ok
[06:37] <diskjockey> no there are no options ( only chose install edubuntu)
[06:37] <diskjockey> what are ur concerns ?
[06:38] <LaserJock> well, there's install workstation
[06:38] <LaserJock> install command line system
[06:38] <LaserJock> and a few others
[06:38] <LaserJock> if you did the LTSP install you should have LDM
[06:39] <LaserJock> anyway, I guess if it works it works
[06:39] <diskjockey> anyway I dont have it. but yeah I just did apt-get it
[06:39] <diskjockey> anyway things are sorted
[06:40] <diskjockey> I only needed to edit the default file (of pxe to remove splash option to the kernel)
[06:40] <diskjockey> hey one more thing
[06:40] <diskjockey> when I restart gdm. the X crashes on me ?
[06:40] <diskjockey> is that normal ?
[06:40] <LaserJock> yep
[06:40] <diskjockey> huh ?
[06:40] <LaserJock> gdm is what starts X
[06:41] <LaserJock> it spawns the process and runs stuff
[06:41] <LaserJock> so restarting gdm is a way of killing X
[06:41] <diskjockey> but it doesn't show up even after I wait 10 minutes ( I thought restart meant restart)
[06:41] <LaserJock> oh, it should restart
[06:41] <LaserJock> and come back up
[06:42] <diskjockey> hmm. it doesnt on my side
[06:42] <diskjockey> any way I hope in few days there will be a patch for that as well.
[06:42] <LaserJock> did you hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 ?
[06:43] <diskjockey> no. just /etc/init.d/gdm restart on the cmd line while in X
[06:44] <LaserJock> well, you might try restarting the computer to see if you get X back
[06:45] <diskjockey> yeah restarting does return the X
[06:45] <diskjockey> LaserJock I need to restart the GDM so maybe I'll see u later some. thanx for all the help though
[06:45] <LaserJock> k
[06:45] <diskjockey> cya around thanx
[07:25] <RichEd> hello laser?ock
[10:30] <docente> Hi!
[10:31] <docente> can anyone help me about thin client and x11vnc configuration?
[10:36] <tsurc> what problem you having, I'm no expert but I have had it working before.
[10:37] <docente> the clients in thin clien manager won't connect via X11vnc, it say that the x11vnc is not installed (false)
[10:37] <tsurc> docente: what version of edubuntu are you using... gutsy?
[10:38] <docente> there is no much info on this, maybe it's a bug in 7.10 release?
[10:38] <docente> yes
[10:38] <tsurc> docente: have you run ltsp-update-image?
[10:39] <docente> yes, I've read tons of documentation, but no luck
[10:40] <tsurc> docente: to be honest I got my test box working by following https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[10:41] <docente> yes, I know that doc, but not working for me
[10:42] <docente> when I put mv K99rc.local S99rc.local, there is an error: no such file or directory
[10:43] <tsurc> The first time I tried I had a typo, the second time I forgot to chroot into /opt/ltsp
[10:43] <docente>  cannot stat `K99rc.local': No such file or directory
[10:43] <tsurc> try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp, then rebuilding the ltsp root
[10:44] <tsurc> my install had K99rc.local, failing that..
[10:45] <docente> rebuilding ltsp root? How?
[10:45] <tsurc> try creating the file and adding the line from the wiki page
[10:46] <tsurc> er bare with me...
[10:46] <tsurc> sudo ltsp-build-client
[10:46] <docente> ok, work in progress...
[10:47] <tsurc> might take a while. If you drink tea now would be a good time to put the kettle on
[10:48] <docente> yes, thank you in any case
[10:49] <tsurc> ;-)
[10:49] <docente> the espresso coffee is very fast ;-)
[10:51] <tsurc> Coke or Water for me, although I'm thinking of taking up coffee
[10:52] <tsurc> docente: do you know anything about IPTables
[10:52] <docente> where you come from?
[10:52] <tsurc> Skegness, Uk
[10:52] <tsurc> YOU?
[10:52] <tsurc> oh sorry.... you?
[10:52] <docente> not much, something about NAT, Latina IT
[10:54] <docente> the clients are logged normally in the Thin Client Manager, the problem is the screen viewer
[10:54] <tsurc> I'm installing gutsy, with squid and dansguardian. But I want to get the users to automatically go through dansguardian
[10:55] <docente> I think that the dhcp work fine
[10:56] <tsurc> sounds like x11vnc isn't being started. Thats prob linked to the absence of that rc.local file you mentioned.
[10:57] <tsurc> you could try creating the file, adding the line needed, Then updating the image
[10:57] <docente> yes, but I'd started the vnc client directly on the client, it work but no image trasmitted on the server, I think for permission problem
[10:59] <docente> sorry for my bad english ;-)
[11:00] <tsurc> don't worry, allot people in the UK have problems writing english.
[11:01] <docente> allot? :-)
[11:01] <tsurc> many
[11:02] <tsurc> anyway, the vnc client is for viewing the screen, what needs to be running on the thin client is the x11vnc server
[11:02] <docente> yes, I know
[11:03] <tsurc> so who are you starting x11vnc directly on the client?
[11:03] <tsurc> how*
[11:04] <docente> good question,  I will trying to remember...
[11:06] <docente> I can't access now on the clients, but I remember that I've found the service X11vnc server running in chroot
[11:07] <docente> You know that I'm newbie ;-)
[11:08] <tsurc> well I'm no expert either ;-) so don't worry
[11:50] <airjump> hello
[12:40] <ogra> RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston/ClassmatePC/PowerManagement is done so far
[12:42] <ogra> RichEd, did i understand right that we still need the choice of browser spec as firefox 3 will be to late for hardy ?
[12:43] <RichEd> ogra: there was risk concern expressed ... so i think you need to suggest 3 but provide an alternate ?
[12:43] <ogra> alternate means i need to put in review time for the different browsers ...
[12:43] <RichEd> if v2 was limited to 1 window is that okay ... or is the load time too long ?
[12:44] <ogra> the load time is the issue
[12:44] <ogra> if it once runs its similar to 3.0
[12:45] <ogra> but there is also webkit and some browsers will switch to it ... the thing is that its not yet predictable how they behave on the classmate
[12:45] <RichEd> well the trade off between moving away from ff v2 for classmate 8.04 and then going back to ff v3 for 8.10 is i think worse long term than a short wait ?
[12:45] <RichEd> we know ff2 works
[12:45] <RichEd> if ff3 is out in time ... good
[12:46] <RichEd> so i'd say ... leave ff as the browser ... and we decide on version when we get to freeze ?
[12:46] <RichEd> my opinion
[12:46] <ogra> well, 8.04 will suck performance wise
[12:46] <RichEd> when is ff3 due ... any chance it will make it into 8.04 ubuntu ?
[12:46] <ogra> i would love to go with any other browser if we have to stick with 2.0
[12:47] <ogra> its on the edge, as mdz said yesterday
[12:47] <ogra> not sure they'll make it and we wont risk breakage in an LTS release
[12:47] <ogra> (for ubuntu that is)
[12:47] <ogra> but webkit is in main and epiphany will likely be compiled with it
[12:48] <RichEd> make some suggetions in the spec and i will add comment ?
[12:48] <RichEd> if they are in main ... okay
[12:48] <ogra> webkit is said to be even faster than ff 3.0 ... but i didnt see it in action yet
[12:49] <ogra> epiphany has lots of other advantages ... like better scaling of the fnts (and pictures !) for small screen sizes ...
[12:49]  * pygi did see
[12:49] <ogra> optional kiosk mode etc
[12:49] <ogra> pygi, could you compare it to ff 3 ?
[12:50]  * RichEd quick break ... back in a few mins
[12:50] <pygi> ogra: yup ... epiphany with it is more stable, uses less memory, and browsing experience seems better, but still has some rough edges
[12:50] <ogra> right
[12:50] <pygi> while firefox still has the advantage of enormous number of plugins
[12:50] <ogra> well, ff3 has its rough edges as well
[12:50] <pygi> yes, I know
[12:51]  * ogra spent 30 min to allow a self sidgned certificate two days ago
[12:51] <pygi> :D
[12:51] <ogra> they dropped the popup dialog that just lets you allow it ... so you have to dig into the gutsy of the settings
[12:51] <ogra> *guts
[12:51] <pygi> heh, hopefully they'll put it back :D
[12:52] <pygi> if epiphany got a better plugin interface then it has now, I think a lot of people would switch
[12:52] <pygi> it just cant compare to firefox and XUL
[12:53] <ogra> plugin like flash ? or do you mean extensions ?
[12:53]  * ogra didnt see any probs with plugins yet
[12:53] <pygi> extensions*
[12:53] <ogra> ah
[12:53] <ogra> well, it has its own set ... ever installed the epiphany-extensions package ?
[12:54] <pygi> yes, I saw that
[12:54] <pygi> but that's just not it
[12:54] <pygi> you can't seriously compare that to FF plugins
[12:55] <ogra> well, i never used (or had to use) any extensions in my life ... so i dont really miss them ...
[12:55] <ogra> beyond that we dont ship tham
[12:55] <ogra> *them
[12:56] <pygi> right =)
[13:05] <RichEd> ogra: will epiphany run flash ?
[13:06] <pygi> RichEd: why not? o.O
[13:06] <pygi> it just wont have that fancy dialog that ff has right now
[13:06] <RichEd> pygi: just asking :)
[13:08] <ogra> RichEd, i wouldnt propose a browser that cant run flash :)
[13:09] <ogra> else i'd have looked at dillo long ago *g*
[13:10] <pygi> ogra: think a similar dialog like the one for ff could be hacked in?
[13:10] <pygi> it would take more effort then ff's one tho
[13:20]  * RichEd meeting with childs physio -> 45 mins
[13:36] <ogra> RichEd, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/classmatepc-choice-of-browser is ready as well
[13:57] <ogra> RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuAndItalcHardy is ready ...
[14:11] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:16] <johnny_> morning..
[14:17] <RichEd> ogra: thanks ...
[15:16] <tsurc> finally cracked the transarent proxy on a single server.... at least I think I have this time. lol
[15:17] <tsurc> I've updated the edubuntuProxy page if someone fancies having a look at the iptables bit. I've done more testing this time but I'd really like a professional pair of eyes to look over it.
[15:48] <arrayanes> hi
[15:48] <arrayanes> hola?
[17:20] <docente> Hi there!
[17:21] <docente> any experience on thin client in edubuntu gutsy?
[17:22] <docente> I have problem with x11vnc connection
[17:32] <LaserJock> docente: what kind of problem?
[17:34] <docente> the thin client manager say that there is no x11vnc installed on the client, but it's false
[17:35] <johnny_> in the chroot?
[17:36] <docente> yes, the mesage is in the box of the TCM where normally appear the client desktop
[17:37] <johnny_> did you install x11vnc in the chroot? or on the box itself?
[17:37] <johnny_> err server itself
[17:37] <docente> I have installed the x11 server on the client (chroot)
[17:38] <johnny_> x11 server? you mean x11 vnc ?
[17:38] <docente> yes
[17:39] <johnny_> hmm.. i think i had that problem too, never got around to resolving it
[17:39] <docente> maybe there is a ssh permission problem...
[17:39] <docente> nothing over the world
[17:39] <docente> maybe it's a gutsy bug?
[17:40] <docente> how I can improve that the x11vnc is running on client?
[17:41] <docente> and how I can start the service manually?
[17:44] <johnny_> nah.. i didn't have it working in feisty either
[17:44] <docente> I'm trying to start x11vnc on client as root, this is the error message:
[17:44] <LaserJock> ogra: you alive? :-)
[17:44] <docente> x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0.0", it cannot continue.
[17:45] <LaserJock> ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package
[17:45] <docente>  There may be "Xlib:" error messages above with details about the failure
[17:45] <johnny_> try using it inside
[17:45] <johnny_> login and then run it
[17:45] <docente> like user?
[17:45] <johnny_> yes
[17:46] <docente> damn! It say that s not installed
[17:47] <LaserJock> docente: yeah, I think somehow you didn't actually install it in the client chroot
[17:48] <docente> but I've installed it, if I try to apt-get install x11vnc by root in chroot, it say that the package is already installed!
[17:48] <LaserJock> docente: did you actually chroot in?
[17:49] <docente> just now
[17:52] <docente> suggestion?
[17:52] <LaserJock> docente: ok, give us the exact steps you're going through to install x11vnc
[17:53] <docente> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[17:53] <docente> apt-get install x11vnc
[17:53] <docente> Sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local
[17:54] <docente> Add the following line before the exit 0 statement in this file and save it:
[17:54] <docente> x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop &
[17:54] <docente> Sudo chroot
[17:54] <docente> cd /etc/rc2.d
[17:54] <docente> mv K99rc.local S99rc.local
[17:54] <docente> exit
[17:54] <docente> that's all
[17:54] <LaserJock> and when you're in the chroot and you run dpkg -l x11vnc ?
[17:55] <docente> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[17:55] <docente> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[17:55] <docente> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[17:55] <docente> ||/ Nome                Versione            Descrizione
[17:55] <docente> +++-[17:55] <docente> ii  x11vnc              0.8.2-2             VNC server which uses your current X11 session
[17:56] <LaserJock> ok
[17:56] <LaserJock> now when you're in the thin client and you do dpkg -l x11vnc do you get the same thing?
[17:57] <docente> no
[17:57] <docente> not defined
[17:57] <LaserJock> then I wonder if you're thin client is actually using that chroot
[17:58] <docente> really? How can I find the right chroot? ;-)
[17:58] <LaserJock> do you have any other LTSP servers around?
[17:59] <LaserJock> and is there anything other than i386 in /opt/ltsp/ ?
[17:59] <docente> no, I'm coming from a reinstallation complete of the server
[17:59] <LaserJock> I'm really not the person to help you. I've only briefly used LTSP
[17:59] <docente> There is a folder named images
[18:00] <docente> with i386.img inside
[18:00] <LaserJock> right
[18:02] <LaserJock> I'm confused as to why you seem to have it installed in the chroot but the client can't see it
[18:02] <docente> any direction?
[18:03] <LaserJock> well, you might want to ask #ltsp
[18:03] <docente> me too, ok I will go there, thank you
[18:10] <LaserJock> ogra: did you get my previous question
[18:10] <ogra> nope
[18:11] <ogra> i'm working on my DSL atm
[18:11] <LaserJock> ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package
[18:11] <ogra> just got a new firewall in place :)
[18:11] <ogra> sure, shoot
[18:11] <LaserJock> well, I guess I'm just wondering what we need to do
[18:11] <ogra> (note tat is was a request from the security team)
[18:11] <LaserJock> the wiki page said that there are more upstream?
[18:12] <ogra> i only care about our package :)
[18:12] <LaserJock> and is it splitting up into separate binary packages or source packages
[18:12] <ogra> its adding deps and not use the builtin functions first ...
[18:12] <ogra> then splitting out the remaining ones in separate binaries
[18:13] <ogra> some of them are already in the archive in separate packages
[18:13] <ogra> making sure moodle works with them will be the hardest part
[18:13] <ogra> might need code changes or at least config changes
[18:13] <LaserJock> ok, so moodle is including it's own libs?
[18:13] <ogra> right
[18:14] <ogra> duplicates
[18:14] <LaserJock> and not deping on the ones in the archive
[18:14] <ogra> exactly
[18:14] <ogra> and additionally there are modules that should be split into separate binaries
[18:14] <LaserJock> ok, but we don't need new source packages
[18:14] <LaserJock> ?
[18:14] <ogra> so security updates dont require to change the whole moodle source
[18:15] <ogra> hmm, i'll have ot ask kees if he wants a complete source split as well
[18:15] <LaserJock> well, if it's just new binary packages from the same source does it matter?
[18:15] <ogra> thats getting hairy
[18:15] <LaserJock> I can definately see changing the duplicates
[18:15] <ogra> yeah
[18:16] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if separating the rest out into separate packages is gonna help much
[18:16] <LaserJock> unless you build new source packages
[18:16] <ogra> if its separate sources and you have a security update it does i guess
[18:16] <LaserJock> which then becomes a lot more maintanence
[18:17] <ogra> its more maintenance work for the general package maintenance
[18:17] <LaserJock> right, I'm just saying that since Ubuntu is source-only uploads separating binary packages doesn't help security
[18:17] <ogra> but less QA and maintenance work for the security team
[18:17] <ogra> no, only source split will help
[18:17] <LaserJock> right
[18:17] <ogra> i'll discuss that with kees
[18:18] <ogra> the spec is on my desk for implementation now anyway
[18:18] <LaserJock> and that gets a bit hairy if it's from the same tarball
[18:18] <ogra> colin assigned it to me since edubuntu-content-server was made a hardy target
[18:18] <LaserJock> great
[18:18] <LaserJock> something for you to do :-)
[18:18] <ogra> yeah, i'm so bored :P
[18:19] <LaserJock> ogra: did you see pitti's -devel request earlier to merge the Ubuntu seed changes in?
[18:19] <ogra> i'll be drowning in classmate specs and have to do the CD redesign
[18:19] <ogra> i'll care for seeds after my spec work is done
[18:22] <LaserJock> I'm at my grandfather's house until Sunday but I forgot my crossover cable so i can't do any CMPC testing :(


[14:10] <deshrajdry> i need help .... need to fix a bug but unable to tackle the problem,,
[14:18] <rickspencer3> deshrajdry, what's going on?


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[00:00] <SpamapS> ok I'm going to move to another audio feed. :) been fun eavesdropping on you guys :)
[00:12] <txwikinger> yes
[00:13]  * txwikinger can hear
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[09:48] <benonsoftware> t
[09:51] <benonsoftware> Oops, sorry
[09:51] <Mkaysi> ?
[09:52] <benonsoftware> Mkaysi: I entered something here by mistake
[09:52] <Mkaysi> Ok
[15:47] <klarson> welcome everyone
[15:55] <lig> there is nothing on the audio right now - correct?
[15:55] <tfarmer> hi lig!
[15:56] <lig> just want to make sure I have it all set up
[15:56] <lig> they tfarmer darlin!
[15:56] <lig> long time no hear
[16:04] <tfarmer> lig: hear the audio now?
[16:04] <lig> just got it now
[16:04] <tfarmer> yay
[16:05] <lig> Hi Todd!
[16:17] <nxvl> Percona has .debs on their web page, i wonder how good/bad are they
[16:17] <nxvl> maybe we can get the source package and work from there
[16:18] <bytee> nxvl: yes, thats exactly what should be done. It shouldn't be completely difficult
[16:19] <nxvl> bytee: in my experience, sometimes it is, upstreams are bad packagers, but it's a matter of taking a look
[16:44] <bytee> Example: “Division of large numbers could cause stack corruption. (Bug #11792200)” from http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/news-5-5-11.html
[16:44] <udsbotu> Error: Ubuntu bug 11792200 could not be found
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[19:17] <daker_> hi
[19:18] <daker_> uds-jb-1: can you post the link ?
[19:31] <daker_> uds-jb-1: has anyone look at this before https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center ?
[19:31] <daker_> looked*
[19:53] <daker_> :)
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[20:06] <antdillon> Hi is this: Transition help.ubuntu.com to SUMO ?
[20:11] <daker_> antdillon: finished
[20:11] <daker_> lunch time
[20:12] <antdillon> daker_, Ah an hour out :( thanks
[22:22] <dmj726> How might one integrate tabs with quicklists?
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[22:56] <sladen> charline: is this happening again tomorrow, or is everyone going to have gone home?
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[23:21] <stokachu> im not familiar
[23:27] <stokachu> What is the purpose of the run tab?
[23:30] <stokachu> Ok thanks
[23:31] <stokachu> The right click is not friendly to me
[23:35] <stokachu> the the run tab get selected when clicking start testing?
[23:35] <stokachu> did*
[23:35] <stokachu> Ok, it didn't happen for me
[23:38] <stokachu> Is closing and re-opening the application in order to re-run tests intentional?
[23:45] <stokachu> So when I run checkbox and click informational tests, look at my results I have to close the application and re-open in order to have the ability to select additional tests to run. Rather than just selecting the 'Selection' tab and check off what I want
[23:46] <cr3> stokachu: you mean after you've done running all tests, right?
[23:47] <stokachu> One or all tests everything is greyed out
[23:50] <stokachu> Excatly
[23:50] <stokachu> Exactly
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[23:56] <stokachu> Lastly, did we talk about possibly explaining what each tests will do if we click on a particular test or subtest
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[23:56] <stokachu> maybe put a brief explanation in the status bar
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[23:58] <cr3> https://launchpad.net/~cr3/+hwdb-submissions
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