[08:53] <Billiard> niall: sure you just need to mount it? is it an internal drive?
[08:53] <mneptok> RobotCow: ignore that
[08:53] <RobotCow> ffffffffffffffffffff that shouldnt be necessary
[08:53] <iceroot> RobotCow: download the theme from mozilla.org
[08:53] <lucent> niall: the Windows boot process (unrelated to Ubuntu) defines a "boot.ini" system file on the NTFS filesystem root (or maybe FAT32 if you're living in a cave) that refers to a specific IDE channel
[08:53] <mneptok> oldman: please stop prattling and giving bad advice
[08:53] <oldman> mneptok: i am getting mad, ff is running faster on wine but why?
[08:53] <niall> Billiard, it is an internal drive
[08:53] <lucent> niall: it's very sensitive and I can only offer that someone who actually supports Windows would know what to do from there on
[08:54] <iceroot> oldman: becasue the windows-version is using another render-engine
[08:54] <niall> Lucent, I like both Windows and Linux, they're both great at different things, no need to flame.
[08:54] <oldman> iceroot strange
[08:54] <tc2[sleep]> some girls is online now?
[08:54] <mneptok> oldman: do you have all the same extensions and add-ons in both versions
[08:54] <oldman> mneptok: i have no add-ons
[08:54] <lilzeus> mneptok: should I choose a safemode or the other regular one?
[08:54] <iceroot> !ot | tc2[sleep]
[08:55] <tc2[sleep]> I nedd a girl help
[08:55] <mneptok> lilzeus: the other egualr one
[08:55] <iceroot> tc2[sleep]: stop that
[08:55] <mneptok> tc2[sleep]: stop that
[08:55] <tc2[sleep]> sorry
[08:55] <Boohbah> tc2[sleep]: only a real-life girl can help
[08:55] <lilzeus> mneptok: no change
[08:55] <lucent> Boohbah: resist! it's a trap
[08:55] <leaf-sheep> For Software Sources (or /etc/apt/sources.list), do I need Source Codes? I'm assuming no because we're downloading binaries all times.
[08:55] <tc2[sleep]> but ubuntu is the great channel of the mirc
[08:55] <mneptok> lilzeus: that's not enough time to boot and get a DHCP lease
[08:55] <Viking667> leaf-sheep: you don't, no.
[08:56] <oldman> i think the code generated with GCC on win32 is faster compared to GCC to nix, maybe compiler settilgs i dunno
[08:56] <iceroot> leaf-sheep: you dont need the source-repo
[08:56] <Boohbah> tc2[sleep]: what does your choice of irc client have to do with the channel?
[08:56] <iceroot> oldman: as i said, firefox is using another render-engine on windows
[08:56] <leaf-sheep> Viking667, iceroot: Thanks for clearing that one up!
[08:56] <tc2[sleep]> Boohbah IUHAU yeah, sorry, I hav good intentions
[08:56] <lilzeus> mneptok: oddly, every single 192.168.1.xxx address I put into the browser displays Apache's default "It works!" webpage
[08:56] <niall> either way, it wasn't my kid
[08:56] <iceroot> oldman: if you dont trust me, have a look at google and heise
[08:56] <oldman> iceroot: yeah what is heise?
[08:56] <mneptok> lilzeus: cache issue?
[08:56] <iceroot> oldman: h-online is the english version imo
[08:57] <leaf-sheep> Viking667, iceroot: Any suggestions on why are those repos being enabled by default?
[08:57] <mneptok> lilzeus: pastebin the output of ifconfig
[08:57] <niall> how old everyone be?
[08:57] <iceroot> oldman: www.h-online.com
[08:57] <Viking667> leaf-sheep: no idea, sorry. But you don't normally need deb-src repos
[08:57] <oldman> gecko?
[08:57] <lilzeus> mneptok: how? the machine does not have internet
[08:57] <mediadata> hi all...
[08:58] <iceroot> leaf-sheep: hm, maybe for kernel-headers but i dont know
[08:58] <mneptok> lilzeus: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[08:58] <oldman> iceroot: i use midori for now
[08:58] <navap> niall: There are 1300+ people in here, it's probably a safe bet to assume you have a representitive of almost every reasonable age ;)
[08:58] <mediadata> my ubuntu can't ping to pc win*, can help me... ?
[08:58] <iceroot> mediadata: but can ping other pcs?
[08:58] <mediadata> ping my self it's ok ( reply )
[08:58] <mediadata> yes...
[08:58] <mediadata> iceroot: yup...
[08:59] <oldman> iceroot: webkit is lot faster than any gecko
[08:59] <mediadata> iceroot: i use ubuntu jaunty
[08:59] <niall> navp, in fairness I had people over who left me alone with a lot of booze, so I just want to meet some new friends lol
[08:59] <mneptok> !offtopic > niall
[08:59] <iceroot> mediadata: so you only cant ping one win pc but all others?
[08:59] <mediadata> i still try with 1 pc win*
[08:59] <mneptok> mediadata: disable Windows firewall
[08:59] <iceroot> mediadata: maybe the firewall is blocking something
[08:59] <mediadata> win* is dissable
[09:00] <lilzeus> mneptok: invoke-rc.d not found
[09:00] <iceroot> mediadata: same subnet?
[09:00] <mediadata> no firewall...
[09:00] <mediadata> iceroot: win = <IP_ADDRESS> - ubuntu = <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:00] <mneptok> lilzeus: are you using Ubuntu?
[09:00] <iceroot> mediadata: nmap <IP_ADDRESS>  tells what?
[09:00] <iceroot> mediadata: can you ping ubuntu from win-pc?
[09:00] <mediadata> iceroot: wait...
[09:00] <mneptok> lilzeus: invoke-rc.d is installed by default on every Ubuntu system
[09:01] <oldman> ldxe and midori works perfect together
[09:01]  * lucent takes bets on software firewall from windows side of things blocking ICMP
[09:01] <mediadata> iceroot: no..
[09:01] <docmax> lol, wine runs GRID! lol
[09:01] <lilzeus> mneptok: sorry, spelling mistake, it said 'ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1'
[09:01] <iceroot> mediadata: then check your cables, router/switch/hub
[09:01] <iceroot> mediadata: subnet is <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:01] <lucent> docmax: I'd have to search to find out what GRID is
[09:01] <mneptok> lilzeus: sudo dhclient eth0
[09:01] <mediadata> iceroot: yes..
[09:01] <lilzeus> mneptok: eth0?
[09:02] <mneptok> lilzeus: yes
[09:02] <mediadata> iceroot: i test with lan-test the cable it's ok
[09:02] <iceroot> mediadata: is there something else you can try to ping? like a router?
[09:02] <oldman> grid gay related immune defficiency
[09:02] <niall> Obottu, well i asked a couple of questions about the OS that everyone failed to answer, so I was just looking to meet new friends, is that a bad thing now?
[09:02] <mneptok> oldman: stop
[09:02] <iceroot> niall: in the support-channel, yes
[09:02] <mneptok> oldman: please don't make me ask again
[09:02] <oldman> thats wikipedia entry
[09:03] <mediadata> iceroot: no, pc win* - switch - box ubuntu
[09:03] <lilzeus> mneptok: no such device
[09:03] <iceroot> mediadata: cross-over cable?  paste the output of ifconfig to pastebin
[09:03] <docmax> lucent, ups sorry, its a heavy game
[09:03] <mneptok> lilzeus: eth1 looks like it has no working driver
[09:03] <mneptok> lilzeus: if it worked previously, boot to the previous kernel
[09:03] <lucent> docmax: okay - thanks, wasn't easily findable on google search
[09:03] <mediadata> iceroot: ok, pastebin.com ? ( sorry my english not good... ?
[09:04] <iceroot> !paste | mediadata
[09:04] <niall> iceroot, I came in asking for help and nobody had a solution for my question
[09:04] <lilzeus> mneptok: should I try the original onboard adapter and restart?
[09:04] <niall> SO i thought I'd be social
[09:04] <iceroot> niall: maybe the question was bad :)
[09:04] <mneptok> lilzeus: yes. use the interface that previously worked
[09:04]  * oldman isst eine banane
[09:04] <lilzeus> mneptok: ok
[09:05] <niall> iceroot, but it really wasn't, I've used Linux for over 4 years and something like this never happened to me
[09:05] <BlouBlou> !ot > oldman
[09:05] <iceroot> niall: and what is "this"?
[09:05] <docmax> lucent, its "Race Driver GRID"
[09:05] <oldman> i still have some issues with visicalc
[09:05] <Viking667> What's a 3D game on Linux, folks?
[09:06] <oldman> sauerbraten
[09:06] <iceroot> oldman: stop your spam
[09:06] <niall> Iceroot, I am running windows 7 RC and and Ubuntu, I cleaned out my case tonight and only ubuntu will boot
[09:06] <mediadata> iceroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295288/
[09:06] <oldman> iceroot: sauerbraten is a game
[09:06] <sash_> iceroot: sauerbraten is a 3d game in linux
[09:06] <iceroot> niall: ##windows
[09:06] <the_spirit_> oldman: in the neo or where?
[09:06] <lucent> docmax: the website makes noise, uh... hold me? I'm scared.  (thanks and I am joking0
[09:06] <the_spirit_> oldman: or is that a browser for more
[09:06] <iceroot> oldman: ok sorry
[09:06] <niall> Iceroot, windows and ubuntu are on the same HDD
[09:06] <iceroot> oldman: sounds like wolfenstein :)
[09:06] <oldman> the_spirit_: in the matrix
[09:07] <the_spirit_> sauerbraten sounds german
[09:07] <oldman> iceroot: no its like nothing else
[09:07] <docmax> is there a game which runs BETTER on wine than on windows?
[09:07] <iceroot> the_spirit_: it is
[09:07] <niall> ICeroot, so i thought it was an interesting issue, I already know the fix
[09:07] <oldman> sauerbraten is something to eat
[09:07] <lucent> docmax: arguably halflife (1)
[09:07] <the_spirit_> meat
[09:08] <oldman> yeah meat plow
[09:08] <Billiard> docmax: idk about a game but dvdshrink ran about twice as fast on linux for me
[09:08] <oldman> sauerbraten is like spam
[09:08] <mneptok> oldman: your non sequiturs are becoming most tiresome.
[09:08] <niall> lucent: ooooooooooooooh you mentioned half life and that doesn't run under linux
[09:08] <Billiard> docmax: also some old old games run better on wine
[09:08] <mneptok> oldman: that was the last warning you will get.
[09:08] <concrete-> I'm trying to use synaptic, but it says that apt-get or aptituse might be running and it casnt open. I can't see any processes with apt-get or aptituse. What should i do?
[09:09] <sash_> concrete-: does the update-manager update something at the moment?
[09:09] <docmax> starting halflife 2 right now
[09:09] <docmax> lets see
[09:09] <concrete-> sash_: no
[09:09] <oldman> mneptok: someone was asking for a 3d game and i said sauerbraten sounds like spam, spam is spiced ham
[09:09] <lilzeus> mneptok: no change
[09:09] <lucent> concrete-: you could try logging out and logging back in, for want of a better workaround
[09:10] <mediadata> iceroot: i think my eth2 is up ( sorry i'm newbie )
[09:10] <lucent> concrete-: the other possibility is that you're running without priveleges
[09:10] <iceroot> mediadata: eth2? hm
[09:10] <lucent> agh I messed up that spelling badly
[09:10] <concrete-> lucent: no im running as sudo
[09:10] <CHESLYN> hi guys
[09:10] <oldman> well im to old for ubuntu
[09:10] <Viking667> bull.
[09:10] <Viking667> I'M using Ubuntu
[09:10]  * lucent covers eyes from blinding upcase
[09:10] <CHESLYN> how can i make me 'root' or add me to it?
[09:10] <mediadata> iceroot: yup, i dno't know why eth2
[09:10] <iceroot> !sudo | CHESLYN
[09:11] <mediadata> iceroot: i only have 1 eth
[09:11] <iceroot> mediadata: but eth2 sounds very strange if using only one nic
[09:11] <lucent> iceroot: could be firewire
[09:12] <mediadata> CHESLYN: sudo -s -H --> become a 'root' but not suggest...
[09:12] <jord> does anyone know if xubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) with grub2 1.96 will boot with ext4 formated '/boot' partition using kernel 'vmlinuz-2.6.28-15-generic'?
[09:12] <iceroot> lucent: but nic should be eth0
[09:12] <mneptok> lilzeus: what interfaces does ifconfig report as having IP addresses?
[09:12] <oldman> german tv is very special, stefan raab is running ubuntu on his desk
[09:12] <lilzeus> menptok: eth0
[09:12] <concrete-> lucent: ah well... i was only trying to instal apache mysql and php5, i'll do it someotherday
[09:12] <iceroot> oldman: never seen he is running it
[09:12] <lucent> iceroot: it depends on when it was first uh... summoned?  is that the right way to describe this
[09:13] <lucent> network interfaces get - eheh... summoned - and then are remembered by the udev system and scripts associated with the erm.. summoning
[09:13] <docmax> hl2 runs on wine =)
[09:13] <lilzeus> mneptok: eth0
[09:13] <niall> Hey you guys know why we will never have "the year of the Linux desktop"?
[09:13] <mneptok> lilzeus: sudo dhclient eth0
[09:13] <lucent> i.e. you call for charizard and pikachu appears, but the udev system is like ah, I know you... you are being crafty, ha I will calll you eth0!
[09:13] <concrete-> i'm just about to install dreamweaver on my pc
[09:14] <mneptok> concrete-: this is 2009, not 1999
[09:14] <lucent> if you need I can dig up where that is assigned from in /etc
[09:14] <docmax> anyone knowing a document managament system under linux?
[09:14] <CHESLYN> mediadata: after i execute that command it shows /home/username# what must i do now?
[09:14] <lucent> docmax: for yourself, a small business, or a corporation?
[09:14] <iceroot> docmax: have a  look at alfresco, its an enterprise document content management system
[09:15] <concrete-> mneptok: i know, its the 2004 MX edition, when it was owned by macromedia. I cant afford nything new
[09:15] <lilzeus> mneptok: ok,now what?
[09:15] <niall> For fuck's sake
[09:15] <Viking667> CHESLYN: that means you're root user. Be very very careful with that sword, sir. While you figure out what it's for.
[09:15] <mneptok> lilzeus: nslookup cnn.com
[09:15] <concrete-> !language |niall
[09:15]  * lucent whistles party foul on niall
[09:15] <niall> concrete, words never hurt anyone
[09:15] <docmax> lucent, for myself
[09:15] <concrete-> howya: that used to be my nickname
[09:15] <lucent> lilzeus: also 'dig' vs. 'nslookup'
[09:16] <Viking667> niall: bullshit.
[09:16] <mneptok> niall: they're about to hurt your ability to /join this channel
[09:16] <Viking667> and sorry to the rest of the channel, but he's out and out wrong.
[09:16] <lilzeus> mneptok: timed out
[09:16] <howya> hi
[09:16] <niall> Viking667, interesting way to call me out for swearing
[09:16] <silentsurfer> hi everyone
[09:16] <elky> Viking667 and niall, both please watch your language.
[09:16] <mediadata> CHESLYN: just type sudo -s -H
[09:16] <Ali_nz> is there a easy way to for example schedule 3 commands to run consecutively?
[09:16] <niall> WHY?
[09:16] <CHESLYN> Viking667: so if i want to remove my username how?please
[09:16]  * mojo_o shakes head
[09:16] <lucent> Ali_nz: run them, in a row?
[09:17] <howya> oops, ive launched opera and now i have two nicks! soz ppl!
[09:17] <lucent> Ali_nz: the semi-colon breaks between commands
[09:17] <iceroot> mneptok: thx
[09:17] <concrete-> beter
[09:17] <lilzeus> lucent: timed out
[09:17] <lucent> Ali_nz: echo one; echo two; echo three
[09:17] <sash_> Ali_nz: program1 && program2 && program3
[09:17] <Ali_nz> lucent: just the answer i was looking for - thanks
[09:17] <sash_> Ali_nz: parallel would be program1 & program2 & program3
[09:17] <lucent> sash_: conditional is a bit of a detail though
[09:18] <lucent> double ampersand means run this if the previous command completed with an error code of zero
[09:18] <sash_> well, ok
[09:18] <sash_> yes
[09:18] <Ali_nz> sash: thanks, but i am thinking of same disk testing software, parallel would be a bad idea :-)
[09:18] <sash_> youre right
[09:18] <mneptok> lilzeus: did the machine seem to get a DHCP lease?
[09:18] <mediadata> iceroot: another suggest for me about can't ping with another pc ?
[09:18] <the_spirit_> CHESLYN: what you want to do?
[09:18] <lilzeus> lucent, mneptok: what I don't understand is how every 192.168.1.xxx address I put into a browser displays the Apache default "It works!" page
[09:18] <mneptok> niall: now, behave.
[09:19] <lilzeus> mneptok: it does to itself, by my router never shows it
[09:19] <defendguin> hey I was trying to use the network manager feature where i can connect to my cell phone via bluetooth.  I have paired the devices and i believe my phone supports it but the option isn't showing up in NM applet
[09:19] <Ali_nz> i wish you could do virus removal of a ntfs drive from within linux. that would be soooo cooll
[09:19] <iceroot> mediadata: no, i have not seen a paste of ifconfig yet and now i have to go to a football-match
[09:19] <lucent> lilzeus: that's kind of funny, isn't it? did you make any changes to firewall policy?
[09:19] <Lint01> each time I'm opening my partitions, system says that operation is privileged and asks for password, how to switch that s*t off?
[09:19] <lilzeus> lucent: no
[09:19] <mneptok> lilzeus: what else could be assigning a DHCP lease besides your router?
[09:19] <mediadata> iceroot: ok... thanks...
[09:19] <lilzeus> mneptok: no idea
[09:19] <CHESLYN> the_spirit_: i made me 'root' now i dont wanna be 'root' any more
[09:20] <mediadata> iceroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295288/
[09:20] <niall> mneptok, sorry I never realized that all other IT geeks were such Christians
[09:20] <BlouBlou> CHESLYN: so open and close terminal
[09:20] <lilzeus> mneptok: router shows NO IP address for that computer
[09:20] <BlouBlou> CHESLYN: close and open sorry
[09:20] <lucent> Lint01: o_O
[09:20] <lucent> Lint01: what is it you want to disable?
[09:20] <mediadata> CHESLYN: type exit
[09:20] <Lint01> the password prompt for mounting damned partitions
[09:21] <the_spirit_> CHESLYN: it goes away after some minutes
[09:21] <lucent> Lint01: might be a bug
[09:21] <lucent> Lint01: otherwise it's just a precaution you can't do much about
[09:21] <CHESLYN> thanks guys
[09:21] <linuxuz3r> wassup ubuntu
[09:21] <Ali_nz> hey, does anyone know, if for example Kaspersky Internet Security would work under wine?
[09:21] <linuxuz3r> when is karmic koala going to be released?
[09:21] <what> Avast! works natively.
[09:21] <iceroot> Ali_nz: you dont need something like that
[09:21] <Billiard> Ali_nz: that wouldnt work well
[09:22] <BlouBlou> !karmic | linuxuz3r
[09:22] <iceroot> !karmic | linuxuz3r
[09:22] <lucent> Lint01: if you added your username to the 'disk' group and logged out and back in again, it wouldn't ask you for permission, but any program would then have access to any disk device
[09:22] <Viking667> Ali_nz: why not use some other solution? clamav is pretty good.
[09:22] <Viking667> ... and is Linux-based already
[09:22] <sattam> Ali_nz: why you nead kasperksy ?
[09:22] <Viking667> there's even a clamav-win
[09:22] <Ali_nz> Viking667: would it work on NTFS drives?
[09:22] <sattam> need*
[09:22] <lucent> linuxuz3r: "karmic roadmap" something like that
[09:22] <Viking667> Ali_nz: ugh.
[09:23] <lucent> linuxuz3r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[09:23] <Viking667> Ali_nz: you're trying to run a ntfs filesystem from wine, you'd better know what the hell you're doing.
[09:23] <Lint01> what do you mean, 'have access'?
[09:23] <sivang> hi all
[09:23] <linuxuz3r> so on the 29th its going to be the standard release... not the beta anymore
[09:23] <Viking667> err, not run,   run from
[09:23] <linuxuz3r> ?
[09:23] <vatts> so ubuntu 9.10 is now STABLE OUT or its still beta?
[09:23] <sivang> how can I Setup my ubuntu machine to do NAT from my eth1 iface to ath0 ?
[09:23] <vatts> :S
[09:23] <Viking667> apparently that's the case, yes. the 29th
[09:23] <sivang> and back, for that matter
[09:23] <BlouBlou> linuxuz3r: yeah
[09:23] <what> Lint01: what?
[09:23] <lucent> Lint01: there's a reason it asks for your password mate
[09:23] <sivang> I'm trying to follow several howtos but none of them work
[09:23] <lilzeus> lucent: give up?
[09:23] <vatts> ich, DU  ya :P
[09:23] <lucent> Lint01: w/o the security, any program can write to your block devices
[09:24] <Lint01> there's no reason to ask me for password for mounting device
[09:24] <vatts> there is.
[09:24] <Viking667> actually, there is.
[09:24] <what> Very much so.
[09:24] <Viking667> Device access is ALWAYS restricted to root.
[09:24] <the_spirit_> vatts: what languafǵe is that
[09:24] <lucent> lilzeus: your description isn't enough information, and I'm not really sure what kind of information I would need to advise you
[09:24] <Viking667> (with small liftings for local audio, etc etc)
[09:25] <the_spirit_> youre always joking
[09:25] <vatts> the_spirit_, which lang... oh, german? no need to study it, just go around the corner
[09:25] <vatts> the_spirit_, btw, which charset is this?
[09:25] <mediadata> hi...
[09:25] <lilzeus> lucent: I can ping myself
[09:25] <Ali_nz> what i am getting at is this. sometimes friends bring round computers (all windows machines) and complain running slow/not booting etc. standard tests seem to be a surface test, test partition tables, and check for viruses, and mybe first of all, run ddrescue to image the drive. what would be great sould be to que all these tests and walk away. I can do everything fromwithin linux at the moment bar the virus scan
[09:25] <Lint01> how exactly being able to mount device gives you write access to it?
[09:25] <sivang> anybody has a good link for it ?
[09:25] <lucent> Lint01: some devices (like USB remmovable storage) should have work-arounds in place to authenticate and mount the partitions desired
[09:25] <lilzeus> lol
[09:25] <vatts> ich_, ya, du!!! stop :P
[09:25] <vatts> laggers
[09:25] <vatts> :p
[09:25] <Viking667> Lint01: because it just does.
[09:26] <Viking667> The ability to mount means you have the ability to write. End of, unless you've got other ACL-stuff added, i.e. SELINUX, etc
[09:26] <lucent> Lint01: i.e. if you get a message asking you to authenticate when you insert a USB flash drive, that may be a bug because there should be a system in place to allow that
[09:26] <Lint01> I want to mount my local disk partition
[09:26] <mediadata> why my pc win* <IP_ADDRESS> can't ping with my box ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:26] <Viking667> If his user is in the group that's allowed to mount, that may be allowable.
[09:26] <lucent> Lint01: local hard disk partition should ask you to authenticate
[09:27] <Viking667> But then only root can add to that list of members of that group
[09:27] <lucent> Lint01: that's a policy setting, and I don't think we're there yet in Ubuntu-land to set a policy to allow you to mount that without an active authentication
[09:27] <lilzeus> lucent: in fact, every address which starts with 192.168.1.xxx returns a ping
[09:27] <lucent> lilzeus: that sounds really odd
[09:27]  * Viking667 blinks
[09:27] <lilzeus> lucent: no kidding!
[09:28] <Ali_nz> so will any of these linux antivirus packages scan antfs drivs?
[09:28] <Billiard> Lint01: you can add an entry in your fstab so your partition is automatically mounted on boot
[09:28] <portland> !ops
[09:28] <portland> !ot
[09:28] <portland> !pidgin
[09:28] <Viking667> Ali_nz: so, what you want is: a scanner that'll scan a ntfs drive?
[09:28] <Ali_nz> Viking667: yes
[09:28] <Viking667> If you can _mount_ the ntfs filesystem from the drive, then clamav can scan the filesystem
[09:29] <Viking667> ... but you'll only be able to scan as root... which is as it should be.
[09:29] <Lint01> so when devices are mounted on boot, they don't need to have root password? why do they need it after?
[09:29] <lucent> lilzeus: sounds complicated, no incentive here to help out sorry
[09:29] <Viking667> Lint01: they're moutde by the root user, by default.
[09:29] <iceroot> Lint01: because the boot-process is running as root
[09:29] <Ali_nz> Viking667: clamnav work good? work from cli?
[09:29] <Viking667> it works from cli, yes.
[09:29] <lilzeus> well that sucks
[09:29] <Viking667> lilzeus: hm? whatsucks?
[09:30] <lilzeus> Viking667: my problem is complicated and I can't get help
[09:30] <Ali_nz> Viking667: is it reliable?
[09:30] <lilzeus> :(
[09:30] <Lint01> I see we're stuck in '70 here. hell
[09:31] <lucent> this is *nix after all
[09:31] <lucent> 1970's forever?
[09:31] <Viking667> lol.
[09:31] <Viking667> Ali_nz: reasonably.
[09:31] <Viking667> Put it this way, I don't think it's any more unreliable than most other offerings out there maintained by the community
[09:31] <lucent> eventually the PolicyKit should get a round of documented procedures for configuring things like mounting local disk partitions
[09:32] <Ali_nz> haha - ok
[09:32] <lucent> 'til then we're kind of stuck with secure by default
[09:32] <Ali_nz> Viking667: and is there a linux equivelant o Malware Antibytes?
[09:32] <Viking667> lucent: probably, yes. Though I haven't started dealing with PolicyKit yet.
[09:32] <what> Ali_nz: sounds fun but
[09:32] <Viking667> Ali_nz: I've never heard of that, so I can't comment.
[09:32] <lilzeus> ugh, so much for ubuntu
[09:32] <what> i dont think theres dollars for development for us
[09:32] <lucent> Viking667: it's like watching all of what you thought you knew about *nix swirl around in a toilet, whoosh
[09:32] <lilzeus> I tried, I really did
[09:33] <Viking667> lucent: he he he
[09:33] <Ali_nz> Viking667: its more targeted at, well, malware asopposed to virus
[09:34] <lilzeus> are there more reliable distros of linux?
[09:34] <Ali_nz> not quite sure what the diff is but it picks up stuff that antivi doesnt
[09:34] <Viking667> lilzeus: heh. Depends.
[09:34] <Viking667> Most of them depend upon how you set them up.
[09:34] <BlouBlou> lilzeus: if we are in #ubuntu is because we this ubuntu is the best ;) (or maybe I think it)
[09:35] <lucent> lilzeus: distro of linux doesn't do much good if your network is bologna :)
[09:35] <lilzeus> well, my 'network' is not the problem...I am here after all :)
[09:36] <lucent> for diagnosing problems my favorite tools now are an Ubuntu LiveCD and a System Rescue CD boot (sysresccd.org)
[09:36] <lucent> SysResCD mostly because it's not Ubuntu and I can cross-examine problems that would possibly be from the sauce patches into the Ubuntu Linux kernel
[09:40] <Lint01> is there some kind of WordPad in Ubuntu?
[09:40] <fahadsadah> lucent: I have an OHNOESPROBLEM kit.
[09:41] <fahadsadah> Lint01: gedit or kate
[09:41] <lucent> Lint01: 'gedit' but it's kind of ... sluggish?
[09:41] <fahadsadah> lucent: Ubuntu discs, procmon (for Windows), etherkiller (sentimental value)
[09:41] <lilzeus> I restarted and I am at the prompt with networking...any ideas?
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> abiword is a nice WYSISYG word processor
[09:41] <fahadsadah> lilzeus: Ideas for what?
[09:41] <Pirate_Hunter> lucent: leafpad
[09:41] <lucent> ah ha!  yeah leafpad is neato
[09:42] <Viking667> Lint01: there are a few nice-ish editors. I use vim, but that takes some getting used to.
[09:42] <pqrstuv> I have ubuntu server edition cd.Does server edition have desktop environment?
[09:42] <Viking667> no, but that  doesn't stop you from adding one.
[09:42] <Billiard> pqrstuv: by default no
[09:42] <lilzeus> fahadsadah: networking stopped working suddenly, nic works fine, but for some odd reason when I ping every address starting with 192.168.1.xxx I get a return
[09:42] <BlouBlou> pqrstuv: no, it hasn't got x installed by default
[09:42] <Lint01> kate is for KDE and gedit, leaf etc are Notepads
[09:42] <lucent> lilzeus: tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:42] <lucent> paste to pastebin
[09:42] <Pirate_Hunter> pqrstuv: no but you could put a desktop afterwards
[09:43] <Viking667> pqrstuv: problem is, when you grab server edition, you normally know what you're doing and don't NEED a desktop.
[09:43] <fahadsadah> lucent: Isn't it traceroute?
[09:43] <Lint01> I need something that works with odf and allows tables and formatting
[09:43] <Viking667> traceroute
[09:43] <lucent> fahadsadah: traceroute historically yeah
[09:43] <Viking667> I use mtr too.
[09:43] <lilzeus> so which?
[09:43] <fahadsadah> pqrstuv: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[09:43] <lilzeus> tracepath or traceroute?
[09:43] <fahadsadah> And in future, don't get server edition.
[09:43] <fahadsadah> lilzeus: Either.
[09:43] <Viking667> either
[09:43] <lucent> I'm into tracepath for the v6 variant tracepath6
[09:43] <Viking667> I wasn't even aware of tracepath until now.
[09:44] <Pirate_Hunter> pqrstuv: just like Viking667 said still it isn't that different from desktop if you know how to go about in command line
[09:44] <lilzeus> lucent: send failed
[09:44] <BlouBlou> pqrstuv: I recommend you install desktop edition, and then install server's packets manually if you need it
[09:44]  * Viking667 was insane.
[09:44] <Lint01> vim does WYSIWIG formatting?
[09:45] <Pirate_Hunter> BlouBlou: he/she can do that just by using tasksel
[09:45] <MenZa> Lint01: no.
[09:45] <MenZa> Lint01: the lighest wordpad-like thing you'll find is probably abiword.
[09:45] <Pirate_Hunter> pqrstuv: use sudo tasksel and choose ubuntu desktop if server isn't your thing
[09:45] <MenZa> But if you're going to use that, you may as well use OO.o Writer.
[09:45] <Viking667> I installed normal Ubuntu, then grabbed UbuntuStudio DVD, added it as a media, then pulled in all the packages I wanted from it.... muahahahahaha
[09:45] <lucent> Lint01: abiword is pretty close yeah
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> For 99% of my needs abiword works.
[09:46] <Lint01> lightest? it's 30 MB, like M$ Word
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> !info abiword
[09:46] <Viking667> Lint01: by the way, do you need formatted text, or just plain text?
[09:46] <lilzeus> even in this mode, every address starting with 192.168.1.xxx returns a ping
[09:46] <pqrstuv> What's the benifit for not having any desktop environment in server edition?
[09:46]  * lucent hands Lint01 aloe vera
[09:46] <lucent> here, you just got burned.
[09:46] <MenZa> Lint01: Why bother with half-way editors? WordPad has tons and tons of limitations. It's like a boiled-down Word.
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> pqrstuv:  more space for your ftp server :)
[09:46] <pqrstuv> Purpose
[09:47] <Viking667> Lint01: use vim
[09:47] <lilzeus> I think it was recovery mode?
[09:47] <Lint01> of course I do need formatted text and maybe tables
[09:47] <Viking667> oh.
[09:47] <MenZa> If you insist on rich formatting, use a Word Processor (i.e. OO.o Writer, Abiword). If you just want *text*, use a text editor (like gedit, vim, emacs, etc.)
[09:47] <Viking667> Then OO.o Writer
[09:47] <lilzeus> and I chose the option with networking
[09:47] <lucent> lilzeus: your network is fubar
[09:47] <lucent> lilzeus: I mentioned this already
[09:47] <lucent> lilzeus: the cause is not easy to figure out
[09:47] <lilzeus> lucent: what do you mean 'network'?
[09:48] <lilzeus> after all, I am here, on a different ubuntu install, on a different machine, on the same network
[09:49] <Pirate_Hunter> pqrstuv: most say you are saving resources which may be true
[09:49] <lucent> lilzeus: I suggest what I said already, boot a sysresccd.org environment live from CD and try that to rule out any Ubuntu specific kernel problem
[09:49] <lilzeus> well, I have the ubuntu CD
[09:49] <Lint01> Dr_Willis, 12 to install|upgrade, 0 to remove; 23.3 MB will be used <- is it 7808 kb? stop lying please
[09:50] <Viking667> Lint01: heh.
[09:50] <Pirate_Hunter> lilzeus: did you uninstall any extra components such as ubuntu-base still I don't get what is the actual problem with the network other than it is not working
[09:50] <Viking667> Let me guess, 7.8Mb to download, but 20Mb when unpacked?
[09:50] <MenZa> Soundsa bout right, Viking667.
[09:50] <lucent> lilzeus: it not working, that is not helpful.  You will need to find out when it works, and on the SAME hardware, then we can rule out the problems
[09:51] <o0splitpaw0o> Anyone know if I can chroot into a directory while logged in? I am building a mini cluster here. taking directions from microwulf directions, but it tell me "chroot: cannot change root directory to /bin/bash: Not a directory". I am attempting to Get a Kernel and initrd Into Place for PXE. Suggestions?
[09:51] <MenZa> Lint01: You're not counting in dependencies.
[09:51] <lucent> o0splitpaw0o: ah, the syntax is chroot directory shell-command
[09:51] <lucent> I think
[09:51] <Viking667> o0splitpaw0o: uh,.....
[09:51] <Lint01> 1
[09:51] <Viking667> yeah
[09:52] <lucent> o0splitpaw0o: chroot /mnt/blahlinux /bin/bash
[09:52] <lucent> something like that - are you doin' it wrong?
[09:52] <o0splitpaw0o> lucent, right, that's what I am attempting
[09:53] <lucent> o0splitpaw0o: and "/bin/bash" in that example would be in /mnt/blahlinux/bin/bash
[09:53] <lucent> not everybody understands chroot
[09:53] <kelohippi> hey. how can i check from the image file of ubuntu 9.04 that is it 64 or 32 bit version. i forgot which one i downloaded. :P
[09:53] <lucent> kelohippi: md5sums maybe?
[09:53] <Billiard> kelohippi: you could check the md5, yes
[09:54] <o0splitpaw0o> lucent, ah ok. let's see here..
[09:54] <o0splitpaw0o> lucent, example like this then eh?: sudo chroot /nodes/nfs/node1/bin/bash
[09:55] <lucent> hm yeah so sudo chroot /nodes/nfs/node1 /bin/bash
[09:55] <lucent> there must be a whole working system there of libraries and programs to support the new root environment
[09:56] <gamerx> can anyone help me with kismet set-up?
[09:56] <Billiard> gamerx: sure
[09:56] <o0splitpaw0o> lucent, ah well that is the issue then. I am going to go over these notes again. I don't see it mentioning to copy anything over or profiles
[09:56] <lilzeus2> well, here I am
[09:56] <pompato> Hi everyone! I'm trying to install apache2 from synaptics. it's installed by i experience the following issue: it can't load the shared library libmysqlclient_r.so.15 (no such file)
[09:56] <lilzeus2> I am using the Ubuntu CD
[09:57] <kelohippi> hmm. im running windows and dont have md5sums installed. any other way?
[09:57] <lilzeus2> everything works
[09:57] <gamerx> Billiard, i tried to install it in synaptic but it had on startup
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> !md5
[09:57] <lilzeus2> lucent: you still here?
[09:57] <tavo> excuse me, where could i get hardware support from?
[09:57] <lucent> gamerx: normal Ubuntu install (Gnome kinda stuff) you'll need to do /etc/init.d/network-manager stop; service avahi-daemon stop; killall wpa_supplicant
[09:57] <vatts> which noisy away messages!
[09:57] <vatts> did i do anything?!
[09:57] <tavo> I mean I have problems whith my usbs
[09:57] <lucent> that's for karmic which is due out in a few days
[09:58] <lucent> gamerx: other distros have different ways of doing what I just said
[09:58] <gamerx> Billiard, so i uninstalled it from synaptic and dled the one from their sitte
[09:58] <alex87> anyone else spent all day on the computer doing nothing?
[09:58] <gamerx> lucent, why would i do that?
[09:58] <Billiard> gamerx: you need to setup a source
[09:58] <dynamite> alex87.... right here!!!=D
[09:58] <kelohippi> aight. thanks
[09:58] <lilzeus2> so, if I am able to connect to the internet, and everything works fine when using the Ubuntu LiveCD, what does that mean about my install?
[09:58] <pompato> Hi everyone! I'm trying to install apache2 from synaptics. it's installed by i experience the following issue: it can't load the shared library libmysqlclient_r.so.15 (no such file)
[09:58] <vatts> somebody tell me what did i do when i shutted down xchat on my laptop
[09:59] <lucent> gamerx: kismet wants some pretty specific control over the wifi interface and there's three things using the interface already preventing this
[09:59] <gamerx> Billiard, lucent i have the install files on my desktop and a term open to them i have run ./configure and it gives me this:
[09:59] <alex87> dynamite, hehe, bloody addiction
[09:59] <lucent> wpa_supplicant, network manager, and usually avahi-daemon
[09:59] <patb> hey got an issue my network traffic keeps showing up in my dmesg making it hard to see whats goin on with the sytem at other times is there any way to stop the packet information from being shown
[09:59] <vatts> leaf-sheep: what the hax did i do.
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> vatts:  triggered an 'away' script proberly.. which is normally just a annoyance
[09:59] <gamerx> lucent, this will only drop my wireless not wired?
[09:59] <vatts> Dr_Willis: can i get output?
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> vatts:  no big deal. just explore your client and disable 'awway' message
[09:59] <lucent> it will drop everything gamerx
[10:00] <lucent> I see no good way to just drop the wireless
[10:00] <vatts> it is not client, since it's bnc and it should do this NEVER
[10:00] <vatts> >_<
[10:00] <gamerx> lucent, well then its not a good idea to do that when im on irc
[10:00] <gamerx> :p
[10:00] <lucent> wish there was a kinder gentler way :P
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> vatts:  perhaps its a BNC featrue then
[10:00] <leaf-sheep> :<
[10:01] <lilzeus2> lucent: I have restarted using the LiveCD and it works, what should I do now?
[10:01] <lucent> gamerx: kismet should be in the repo
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> vatts:  bnc sees you are not conneted to it.. so IT says to us you are 'away'
[10:01] <lucent> lilzeus2: which livecd?
[10:01] <vatts> Dr_Willis: thing is
[10:01] <lilzeus2> lucent: Ubuntu
[10:01] <vatts> i logged on bnc here, went upstairs, logged on laptop, chatted, dislogged and came downstairs.
[10:01] <vatts> i was connected here all the time
[10:01] <vatts> and bnc should do this oNLY when last client goes *poof*
[10:01] <vatts> so sorry for epic failz
[10:01] <lucent> lilzeus2: maybe uh, 'ifconfig -a' and write down the interface names and the mac addresses for each interface name
[10:02] <gamerx> lucent, it is but it gives me an error when i run "kismet" form term
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> vatts:  i dont use bnc.  No idea. check their docs.. or you perhaps was using 2 differnt nics.
[10:02] <vatts> *d*d*d*d* cold...
[10:02]  * patb hey got an issue my network traffic keeps showing up in my dmesg making it hard to see whats goin on with the sytem at other times is there any way to stop the packet information from being shown
[10:02] <vatts> Dr_Willis: niet ^^
[10:02] <Billiard> gamerx: did you setup a source
[10:02] <lucent> gamerx: as it should...
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> vatts:  i perfer 'znc' :)
[10:02] <lucent> patb: you can change your log level
[10:02] <vatts> <vatts> so ubuntu 9.10 is now STABLE OUT or its still beta? <<that was from craptop
[10:02] <vatts> Dr_Willis: it is znc :D
[10:02] <lucent> patb: sounds weird though, are you playing with firewalling?
[10:02] <patb> thanks
[10:02] <gamerx> Billiard, lucent, how would i go about that
[10:02] <ruby_on_tails> hello
[10:02] <Paulogram> Hey, I am trying to use the partitioner of ubuntu live CD to make place for a windows installation. What format should I use in gparted? XFS, JFS or ReiserFS ?
[10:02] <vatts> ruby_on_tails: hehe nice nix :P
[10:03] <patb> i use firestarter
[10:03] <ruby_on_tails> when I set my status in pidgin as busy my ubuntu also shows busy why ?
[10:03] <ruby_on_tails> vatts: thanks :D
[10:03] <patb> it happened when i installed a wpa supplicant
[10:03] <vatts> ruby_on_tails: i hate RoR :D
[10:03] <Billiard> gamerx: you need to change the kismet config and setup a source with your wireless card type and such
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> Paulogram:  none of those.. leave it unallocaated.. or vfat/ntfs for windows.
[10:03] <lucent> patb: from console, I mean a virtual console like without X11, it's SysRq (Alt+PrintScreen) and then one of your number keys
[10:03] <ruby_on_tails> vatts: I am neutral, I just do PHP
[10:03] <vatts> :O
[10:03] <ruby_on_tails> just a nick :P
[10:03]  * vatts </3 php^^
[10:03] <lucent> patb: I think 8 is really verbose and '1' is less verbose
[10:04] <vatts> it's cold here
[10:04] <gamerx> Billiard, can you tell me how to do that, i installed it thru the repo again
[10:04] <vatts> 15˚ room temperature
[10:04] <vatts> and outside 2
[10:04] <vatts> :S
[10:04]  * vatts freezes
[10:04] <patb> thanks
[10:04] <FloodBot2> vatts: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:04] <ruby_on_tails> I started an IRC channel on freenode, why am I not the admin there ?
[10:04] <pompato> can someone read me?
[10:04] <ruby_on_tails> like FloodBot2 is here ?
[10:04] <gamerx> vatts, nice :0, its 40 deg here
[10:04] <ruby_on_tails> pompato: no
[10:04] <vatts> ruby_on_tails: whic
[10:04] <vatts> gamerx: F or C?!
[10:04] <ruby_on_tails> what which ?
[10:04] <vatts> i said in C -_-
[10:04] <lilzeus2> lucent: what is 'pan0'?
[10:04] <BlouBlou> !ot
[10:04] <vatts> which chan, ruby_on_tails
[10:04] <gamerx> vatts, c :0
[10:04] <lucent> ruby_on_tails: wrong channel? this is Ubuntu community channel
[10:04] <pompato> ruby_on_tails: ok, then I guess I should leave
[10:04] <vatts> gamerx: where Oo
[10:04] <pompato> right?
[10:04] <lucent> lilzeus2: pan? I don't rightly know
[10:04] <ruby_on_tails> pompato: no keep trying until someone can read you :D
[10:04] <gamerx> vatts, australia, north australia
[10:05] <vatts> eh, sure!
[10:05] <lucent> personal area network but I don't know why it's there
[10:05] <ruby_on_tails> vatts: it's a dummy channel to learn
[10:05] <gamerx> vatts, australia, north australia :)
[10:05] <vatts> you go swimming when santa claus comes :D
[10:05] <lilzeus2> lucent: it was one of the devices that showed up in the 'ifconfig -a'
[10:05] <vatts> gamerx: europe!
[10:05] <patb> found a solution just needed to be pointed in the right direction
[10:05] <vatts> ruby_on_tails: which as name :P
[10:05] <Lint01> does vim able to replace line ends by regex?
[10:05] <ruby_on_tails> lucent: hmm k
[10:05] <gamerx> vatts, nice :0
[10:05] <Billiard> gamerx: what is your wireless card
[10:05] <pompato> I have installed apache2 from synaptic. it's installed by i experience the following issue: it can't load the shared library libmysqlclient_r.so.15 (no such file)
[10:05] <gamerx> umm
[10:05] <vatts> Lint01: sure, just read manual for it :)
[10:05] <lilzeus2> lucent: 3 were there, eth0, lo, and pan0
[10:05] <Paulogram> Dr_Willis: thereis no option vfat/ntfs, I am using 9.04 Live CD
[10:06] <lilzeus2> lucent: only eth0 and pan0 had HWaddr
[10:06] <Xcell> !list
[10:06] <lucent> lilzeus2: okay :)
[10:06] <xukun> I got a new pc with vista installed already but I would like to use the installed vista as virtual image and use it in kvm+qemu. How can I make an iso file of the vista install and use it?
[10:06] <gamerx> Billiard, i dont know can you give me the appropriate dmesg command
[10:06] <lilzeus2> lucent: ok, I wrote them down, now what? lol
[10:06] <pompato> I have installed apache2 from synaptic. it's installed correctly, but i experience the following issue: it can't load the shared library libmysqlclient_r.so.15 (no such file)
[10:06] <ruby_on_tails> vatts: #testDummy
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> Paulogram:  then leave it unallocated and let windoss format it.  - windows cant install to ext/xfs/whatever.. it has to format it to ntfs or fat.
[10:06] <Xcell> I need a administrator listed room..
[10:06] <Blacksimon> isntead of using a virtual HD, you can assign it to a real HD?
[10:06] <lucent> lilzeus2: one more thing to do is poke your iptables and save the output or just make a note
[10:06] <Blacksimon> and use another one for your install of ubuntu i guess
[10:06] <lucent> lilzeus2: iptables -L
[10:07] <lilzeus2> lucent: Operation not permitted
[10:07] <Xcell> I need an op\
[10:08] <Billiard> gamerx: try lspci
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> Xcell:  try #ubuntu-ops
[10:08] <lucent> lilzeus2: ahem, with sudo
[10:08] <xukun> anybody please?
[10:08] <Xcell> tx dr
[10:08] <gamerx> Billiard, 05:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[10:08] <lucent> it's time for another glass of red wine, ladies and gentlemen, I turn to drugs because of you lovely people
[10:08] <lilzeus2> lucent: not much to the output
[10:09] <Billiard> gamerx: iwconfig what is your wireless device named
[10:09] <lilzeus2> lucent: Chain INPUT, FOWARD, OUTPUT all say the same thing (policy ACCEPT)
[10:09] <lucent> lilzeus2: cool, that's normal
[10:10] <lilzeus2> lucent: now what? :)
[10:10] <lucent> lilzeus2: now on the same hardware, go back into the thing that is broken and repeat that comparing your notes about interface names and hwaddr's and the iptables
[10:10] <gamerx> Billiard, wlan0??
[10:10] <gamerx> Billiard, is that what you wanted?
[10:10] <lilzeus2> lucent: ok, here goes
[10:10] <Billiard> gamerx: yes
[10:10] <lucent> lilzeus2: yep, btw did you muck around with ndiswrapper at all by chance?
[10:11] <gamerx> Billiard, thank goodness :0
[10:11] <Billiard> gamerx: open your kismet config file its probably in /etc/kismet
[10:11] <gamerx> whats the command to install xchat?
[10:11] <gamerx> Billiard, okay
[10:11] <disappearedng> anyone familiar with how I can download multiple files from megauploader or rapidshare ?
[10:11] <lstarnes> gamerx: sudo apt-get install xchat
[10:11] <Viking667> gamerx: depends. Ubuntu, or RPM-based?
[10:11] <Viking667> (or Debian)
[10:11] <gamerx> Viking667, its all good
[10:12] <Viking667> cool.
[10:12] <gamerx> Viking667, just needed to yell at my friend cus hes stupid, but then again i had to ask :p
[10:12] <lucent> disappearedng: that's a little off topic, funny you mention that I wrote a script to um, do things, to stuff
[10:12] <sifo> hello all :P
[10:12] <Blacksimon> ello
[10:12] <lucent> disappearedng: it's got nothing to do with your question
[10:13] <disappearedng> well I don't want to decrypt the url scheme used by them, I am asking whether there are existing working apps anyone can recommend
[10:13] <Viking667> lucent: hm. written in smalltalk, that'd be:   do: things to: stuff.
[10:13] <lucent> Viking667: ha, I like :)
[10:13] <lucent> must be the wine talking
[10:13] <Billiard> gamerx: see the sources line
[10:13] <disappearedng> you using wine ?
[10:13] <lucent> drinking wine
[10:13] <sifo> ask! will ubuntu 9.10 support usb serial modem automaticly?
[10:13] <lucent> C&T Front Porch Merlot 2005
[10:13] <gamerx> Billiard, im looking now
[10:13] <xukun> is it possible to make an .iso image from my current vista so can use it as KVM Virtual Machine in ubuntu?
[10:14] <Viking667> uh, probably not.
[10:14] <lucent> sifo: not totally sure, but the karmic release will have improvements in the network manager applet settings
[10:14] <lorenz> hey?
[10:14] <Billiard> gamerx: there is a default none none source replace it with  ath5k_ag,wlan0,Atheros
[10:14] <gamerx> Billiard, xD: source=none,none,addme   just make it: source=wlan0?
[10:14] <sifo> lucent:thanks for the info
[10:14] <gamerx> oh ok
[10:14] <mezquitale> what?
[10:14] <lorenz> hi gamerx
[10:14] <gamerx> lorenz, hi
[10:15] <xukun> anyone please? yes or no will do?
[10:15] <gamerx> lorenz, what r u upto?
[10:15] <gamerx> Billiard, ohh damn need to open it with sudo :0
[10:15] <sifo> ask! will compiz in ubuntu 9.10 support vga sis or s3 chipset?
[10:15] <pompato> I have installed apache2 from synaptic. it's installed correctly, but i experience the following issue: it can't load the shared library libmysqlclient_r.so.15 (no such file)
[10:16] <rsk> sifo: most likely not without a miracle
[10:16] <lucent> pompato: package you're looking for would have "mysql" and "mod" in the name
[10:16] <lucent> probably
[10:16] <rsk> sifo: theese card are not meant to do anything compizlike
[10:16] <pompato> lucent: so what should I do?
[10:17] <sifo> rsk :thanks
[10:17] <Billiard> gamerx: then run sudo kismet_server, then kismet_client, if no errors
[10:17] <Hz0> Hello
[10:17] <lucent> pompato: there's some code in apache directives to look for libmysql on the system and bail out if it's not found
[10:17] <Hz0> everyone
[10:17] <gamerx> Billiard, okay hang on
[10:17] <lilzeus> lucent: only difference is in that pan0 device, the HWaddr do not match, iptables -L was the same
[10:17] <lucent> pompato: presumably you just have to get mysql set up correctly - is it?
[10:18] <lucent> lilzeus: the heck is pan0 anyways, now i'm curious
[10:18] <pompato> lucent: maybe, but I had already installed libmysql
[10:18] <pompato> wait
[10:18] <pompato> I retry
[10:18] <lilzeus> lucent: it says its an ethernet
[10:18] <lilzeus> err, let me see what I can copy
[10:18] <Tmi> I just checked my services and apparently both gdm and kdm is on .... since I use gnome it should be no problem to just turn of kdm in the services list right?
[10:19] <lucent> lilzeus: okay pan0 is probably some bluetooth like technology
[10:19] <sifo> aks! is there any ubuntu variant that include the nvidia/ati driver?
[10:19] <lilzeus> lucent: Linkencap:Ethernet is what it says
[10:19] <naser67> hi
[10:20] <naser67> how can i move /opt to another partition ?
[10:20] <lilzeus> lucent: this machine is older than bluetooth...lol
[10:20] <BlouBlou> naser67: you shouldn't do it
[10:20] <rsk> sifo:  every version of ubuntu has had drivers for nvidia and ati by default
[10:20] <lucent> lilzeus: was it always broken? did you do something to set this off?
[10:20] <naser67> BlouBlou: how come?
[10:20] <lilzeus> lucent: I restarted my machine
[10:20] <lorenz> ask! how do i mount C: on startup?
[10:21] <lucent> lilzeus: could have been a bad software update
[10:21] <Hz0> hello
[10:21] <lilzeus> lucent: the last thing I installed was samba stuff
[10:21] <rsk> hi
[10:21] <naser67> BlouBlou: why?
[10:21] <BlouBlou> naser67: well, opt is a part of ubuntu file-system, if you move it from ubuntu partition, ubuntu surelly will have several problems
[10:21] <Billiard> lorenz: you can add an entry to your fstab to mount your windows parition on startup
[10:22] <lucent> BlouBlou: I don't have an /opt :P
[10:22] <lorenz> Billiard: im a noob ...
[10:22] <lilzeus> lucent: is there a way to view all the latest things I have installed by date installed?
[10:22] <lucent> lilzeus: thinking...
[10:22] <naser67> BlouBlou: but , i extract xampp in /opt and when i have to reinstall ubuntu , all of my data is lost
[10:22] <Viking667> lilzeus: let me guess... on a Ubuntu-based system?
[10:22] <naser67> BlouBlou: sorry for my english
[10:22] <lilzeus> Viking667: yes, of course
[10:22] <BlouBlou> naser67: no problem for english
[10:22] <lucent> lilzeus: my apt kungfu is not that good
[10:23] <grawity> /var/log/apt/ ?
[10:23] <lucent> pretty decent question though, any ideas about sorting installed packages by date installed?
[10:23] <lilzeus> lucent: mine is nonexistent
[10:23] <grawity> (Just guessing)
[10:23] <Viking667> lilzeus: hm. Then that's a wee bit of a problem. Check dates on:  ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[10:23] <BlouBlou> naser67: ok, if you haven't got any data, you can remove it
[10:23] <lucent> erg... wiggly compiz window drag not fun when drunk
[10:23] <Viking667> sort THAT by date...
[10:23] <BlouBlou> naser67: or move
[10:23] <grawity> lucent: QOTD.
[10:24] <lucent> it's horrible!
[10:24] <naser67> BlouBlou: how can i move ?
[10:24] <lilzeus> Viking667: brb to try that
[10:24] <BlouBlou> naser67: <<sudo nautilus>> (without <>) in a terminal, then move normally
[10:25] <lucent> lilzeus: most likely culprit I think could be a kernel driver
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> running nautilus as root.. can cause issues... close it out as soon as you are done doing your rooty tasks. :)
[10:25] <lucent> lilzeus: have any previous kernels you could boot?
[10:25] <xukun> guys is there really no one who can help me with my question?
[10:25] <lucent> lilzeus: did you keep them around?
[10:25] <xukun> is it possible to make an .iso image from my current vista so can use it as KVM Virtual Machine in ubuntu?
[10:25] <naser67> BlouBlou: ok , let me ask another question ?
[10:25] <lilzeus> Viking667: that list was huge, and unusable
[10:25] <vlt> naser67: I'd mount the other partition to /mnt/tmp, then mv everything from /opt/ to /mnt/tmp, unmount /mnt/tmp and then finally mount it to /opt.
[10:26] <lilzeus> lucent: no idea, and no idea
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> xukun:   I would say NO. for various reasons
[10:26] <BlouBlou> naser67: sure, ask it
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> xukun:  you could make a .iso yes..but using it in  a VM will proberly have issues
[10:26] <Viking667> lilzeus: you want to sort by date. There's a parameter for ls to sort by date.
[10:26] <naser67> BlouBlou: how can i backup my ubuntu?
[10:26] <lucent> xukun: we're kind of hanging out for Ubuntu
[10:26] <lilzeus> lucent: when I get into grub, I see 2 normal ubuntu installations, both have some safe mode or whatever, and then something else
[10:26] <BlouBlou> !backup | naser67
[10:26] <kbp> Is there anyway to "map" domain name to internal LAN? Let says when I enter www.youtube.com, instead showing up www.youtube.com, it shows up a page on <IP_ADDRESS> (which is the server)
[10:26] <Viking667> lilzeus: your question was: what are the latest packages I've installed... right?
[10:27] <lucent> lilzeus: oh, not a whole list?
[10:27] <vlt> xukun: No iso image, but of xourse you can make a copy using dd or dd_rescue (which I'd recommend)
[10:27] <naser67> ubottu: tnx guy
[10:27] <BlouBlou> naser67: ubottu is a bot
[10:27] <Viking667> ubottu: ubottu
[10:27] <xukun> Dr_Willis, thanks
[10:27] <lucent> normal -18, safemode -18, normal -11, safemode -11, normal -03, safemode -03
[10:27] <lucent> i.e.
[10:27] <lilzeus> lucent: well, yes, a list, its like this: ubuntu, ubuntu safe mode, ubuntu, ubuntu safe mode, then something else
[10:27] <lucent> oh cool
[10:28] <lucent> pick one of the older earlier normal mode ones
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> xukun:  windows wont like being changed from one 'machine' to another.. so it will trigger the MS-ANti-piracy-restrict-your-rights stuff
[10:28] <naser67> BlouBlou: oh, i made a boo-boo :D
[10:28] <grawity> lilzeus: "Something else" might be memtest86, a memory check tool?
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> xukun:  thats one big issue.
[10:28] <lilzeus> how do I know which ones are 'earlier'?
[10:28] <lilzeus> grawity: yeah, that sounds right
[10:28] <BlouBlou> naser67: you're welcome :)
[10:28] <darkjackaho1> hi there.. h.a.n.d.
[10:28] <lilzeus> how many SHOULD there be? lol
[10:28] <xukun> vlt, would that work? If I make a copy of my current vista install and use it as a virtual macine?
[10:29] <grawity> lilzeus: "Earlier" ones simply have smaller version numbers.
[10:29] <xukun> Dr_Willis, I see
[10:29] <lilzeus> grawity: ok, will give it a shot
[10:29] <lucent> lilzeus: well I cleaned mine up so I only have the kernel I'm running
[10:29] <lucent> but you might have a few different versions there
[10:29] <Viking667> xukun: your problem is: the virtual machine has different hardware to your real machine. Your Vista will go nuts
[10:29] <vegombrei> hey guys ... my computers making this really strange sound its definately the hdd ... how do i scan for errors or bad sectors?
[10:30] <lucent> lilzeus: if it won't boot, no harm done just reboot and try a different one
[10:30] <leaf-sheep> Is it possible for me to ssh/access based on the machine name on local network? I want to avoid IP addresses.
[10:30] <grawity> leaf-sheep: Three ways.
[10:30] <lucent> vegombrei: bad sound = should not leave it powered on
[10:30] <grawity> leaf-sheep: 1) Ubuntu comes with Avahi installed, so try using "machinename.local"
[10:30] <xukun> Viking667, so that is no go
[10:30] <lucent> pop that bad boy into the freezer and get ready to extract the data to a larger drive heh
[10:31] <grawity> leaf-sheep: 2) If you install samba (for Windows file sharing), you'll also get Windows' name resolution (so "machinename" will work)
[10:31] <lucent> disclaimer that my advice might actually cause more harm than it helps
[10:31] <naser67> BlouBlou: http://brasscannon.com/diary/movepart.html
[10:31] <grawity> leaf-sheep: And 3) /etc/hosts
[10:31] <vegombrei> lucent: oh .. but is there a utility that scans the drive?
[10:31] <Viking667> Well, there was ONE way of doing it I heardof for XP... dunno how it works for Vista though...
[10:31] <Viking667> Creating a hardware profile under Windows...
[10:31] <lucent> vegombrei: loosely speaking, no
[10:31] <naser67> BlouBlou: chek this , what's c0t0d0s6 ?
[10:31] <vlt> xukun: You can run that cloned windows ... but windows will proably refuse to work.
[10:31] <grawity> Viking667: Hardware profiles have been removed in Vista.
[10:32] <Viking667> But don't actually activate it until you're on your other OS...and other virtual machine's environment.
[10:32] <Viking667> grawity: oh, crap.
[10:32] <leaf-sheep> grawity: Pass on #3 because I'd have to set them up manually. I'm looking into #1 + #2.
[10:32] <grawity> leaf-sheep: Any Windows boxen in the network?
[10:32] <lucent> vegombrei: I've had Seagate brand drives go bad, and I got a vendor utility from Seagate and ran that, and it scanned the drive for errors
[10:32] <matteo1990> hi all, i had a problem with resolution on my pc and now i haven't in the avaible options the resolution that i had when i installe dubuntu. How to restore those settings?
[10:32] <BlouBlou> naser67: I don't know
[10:32] <Viking667> naser67: sounds like logical partition on first cdrom, on first controller.
[10:32] <lucent> vegombrei: if the hardware is going bad, not much can be done about it
[10:32] <xukun> vlt, I see thanks
[10:32] <leaf-sheep> grawity: There are. I don't know if they're set up for sharing though.
[10:33] <vlt> leaf-sheep: 4) Run a DNS server that resolves names to IPs
[10:33] <grawity> leaf-sheep: They still use the same name resolution method as samba does.
[10:33] <lilzeus> there were 2 kernels: 2.6.28-15-generic and 1.6.28-11-generic, I am in 11 and the same problem exists
[10:33] <lucent> lilzeus: good info thanks
[10:33] <Janita> Hi !
[10:33] <grawity> leaf-sheep: Btw, Avahi is an implementation of Apple's Bonjour (which comes built in to Mac OS X, and is available for Windows too)
[10:34] <docmax> COMPIZ is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:34] <ninsq> hi xD
[10:34] <docmax> amazing!!!!
[10:34] <roni-riku> Hi
[10:34] <lilzeus> I will restart into 15 and see what happens
[10:34] <lucent> docmax: it churns my stomach tonight
[10:34] <docmax> but i still need a document management system
[10:34] <leaf-sheep> grawity: I liked the .local thing -- It's much easier. :3
[10:34] <nightingale> Hi
[10:34] <grawity> leaf-sheep: Both are easy, IMO
[10:34] <roni-riku> can every body hear me!!
[10:34] <lucent> I haven't the wherewithall to configure it to something less unfriendly toward drunks
[10:35] <grawity> leaf-sheep: The second method is simply to install samba, no configuration needed. And you don't even need the .local suffix that way.
[10:35] <lucent> lilzeus: uh... I don't know
[10:35] <vlt> !ask | roni-riku
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> roni-riku:  hi. :)
[10:35] <leaf-sheep> grawity: Testing....
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> roni-riku:  No we cant hear you.
[10:35] <lucent> lilzeus: are you game for trying to install the Karmic beta and see if it works?
[10:35] <roni-riku> why
[10:35] <lucent> lilzeus: newer kernel
[10:35] <Lint01> is there a driver for VHDs in Ubuntu?
[10:35] <roni-riku> hah
[10:35] <Xcell> dr whats the ops room?
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> roni-riku:  speak louder into the mouse.
[10:36] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[10:36] <grawity> Xcell: Channel ops or network ops?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> Xcell:  #ubuntu-ops perhaps?
[10:36] <roni-riku> Dr_ Willis HOw are you
[10:36] <grawity> Xcell: Ops of this #ubuntu channel hide in #ubuntu-ops. The operators of the entire Freenode network (called "staffers" here) are in #freenode.
[10:36] <Xcell> ok tx
[10:37] <ShapeShifter499> I have two computers, one I use, and one mom uses, I want to make it so that while my mom is or isn't using the computer I can access files from it where ever my first computer gets internet, how do I do this?
[10:37] <anybudy> is 50 mb partition enough for /boot partition?
[10:37] <grawity> leaf-sheep: Also, from my experience, Samba on Linux has been more stable than Bonjour on Windows, regarding name resolution
[10:37] <lilzeus> lucent: I restarted into 2.6.28-15-generic and the same problem is there
[10:37] <lilzeus> no internets
[10:37] <lilzeus> :(
[10:37] <leaf-sheep> grawity: Muchas gracias!!
[10:37] <lucent> lilzeus: oh
[10:37] <lilzeus> lucent: should I try the 'recovery mode'?
[10:37] <lucent> lilzeus: I don't think there's any networking in recovery mode
[10:38] <lucent> might be though
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  proberly. i normally use 100mb. but i rarely ever get it 20% full... i rarely bother with /boot these days on its own parittion
[10:38] <leaf-sheep> grawity: I always have to access router configuration to view a list of attached devices.  That was pain in the butt. :(
[10:38] <grawity> lucent: There is, once you run dhclient (and the recovery mode does that for you)
[10:38] <matteo1990> hi all, i had a problem with resolution on my pc and now i haven't in the avaible options the resolution that i had when i installe dubuntu. How to restore those settings?
[10:38] <lucent> lilzeus: if you get back to the configuration (livecd?) where it worked, check the kernel version 'uname'
[10:38] <lucent> 'uname -a'
[10:38] <lucent> grawity: cool info, great
[10:38] <darkjackaho1> hi there, and have a nice day, who can help me with my mic
[10:39] <anybudy> Dr_Willis: I need to boot into windows anytime, even I format my "/" partition.
[10:39] <darkjackaho1> doesn't work integrated and external got a noise
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  I keep linux onits own hd withits own bootloader there.. so  do what you want. :)
[10:40] <lucent> Dr_Willis: a space?
[10:40] <lord_of_computin> The SiS760 GPU on my ASUS board heats up when I use default VESA driver. Is it because of any misconfiguration?
[10:40] <lucent> I'd like to buy a sentence structure (joking)
[10:40] <roni-riku> Hi miia
[10:40] <darkjackaho1> hi there, noone can help me??
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  or a keyboard with a not so flakey space key
[10:40] <lucent> Dr_Willis: almost willing to offer a donation
[10:41] <vlt> anybudy: It's enough. Just care you remove older kernels if necessary
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  i got a whole box of keyboards.. but im testing out this ibm one i got for $1 :)
[10:41] <lucent> shipping for a Model M from chicago to indiana... hmm
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> lucent:  think of it as bandwithconservation
[10:41] <anybudy> Dr_Willis:(thank you) cos of that I need a separate boot partition,does  any system update cause a need  for more disk space on boot?
[10:41] <lucent> twitter has me on edge sorry about that
[10:41] <lucent> I'm like tweetarded now
[10:41] <roni-riku> Dr_Willis how are you
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  every kernel takes up a little more space. a few mb.
[10:42] <lilzeus> lucent: so you want me to run LiveCD again?
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  50mb should be ok. 100mb definatly ok.
[10:42] <roni-riku> !!!!
[10:42] <lucent> lilzeus: wouldn't hurt to know which version of the kernel your system does indeed work with
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  my last /boot partition was 2gb. so i could keep some live cd's also on there for 'rescue' work
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> !ot | roni-riku
[10:42] <lilzeus> lucent: what was it, lname?
[10:42] <lucent> lilzeus: while you're there a 'netstat -l' and 'route' could be cool
[10:43] <anybudy> Dr_Willis: very good idea
[10:43] <lucent> lilzeus: 'uname -a'
[10:43] <miia> Hi roni-riku
[10:43] <matteo1990> hi all, i had a problem with resolution on my pc and now i haven't in the avaible options the resolution that i had when i installe dubuntu. How to restore those settings?
[10:43] <abongile> Hi All I am new to linux but trying to learn. I can't get into Mythbuntu Control Centre I get "Failed to run /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre as user root. And Unabale to copy the user's Xauthorisation file. Please help.  I noticed this after having followed some on-line instructions to mount my second internal hard hard drive.  It is now mounted and have put some data on it.  I am afraid of rebooting ju
[10:43] <lucent> I don't have any clever way to remember that
[10:43] <roni-riku> Hi miia
[10:43] <CornwallScouts4_> hi
[10:43] <CornwallScouts4_> wer are uo
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  grub2 is supposed to be able to boot iso files :)  that will mean i need more space  in /boot/ soon heh.
[10:43] <Zedde> I have a question about sources.list, http://get.bitlbee.org/devel/ tell me to add a line there , I have done it and saved the file. then I run apt-get update. I see the host I added in the list but when I try to search for the pkg on the site nothing come up
[10:43] <lucent> abongile: pulling the plug out of the wall probably is not a good idea
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> anybudy:  be cool to be able to boot and install the os from grub2
[10:44] <lord_of_computin> The SiS760 GPU on my ASUS board heats up when I use default VESA driver. Is it because of any misconfiguration?
[10:44] <Viking667> bye all.
[10:44] <lilzeus> lucent: do those commands now and compare to LiveCD?
[10:44] <CornwallScouts4_> wer are uo
[10:44] <lucent> abongile: rebooting with ctrl+alt+delete and then waiting some minutes, will safetly unmount any partitions / filesystems
[10:44] <lucent> lilzeus: cool, yeah
[10:44] <ortsvorsteher> CornwallScouts4_: whats your preferred language?
[10:45] <roni-riku> Hi miia
[10:45] <lucent> lilzeus: at least you learn something, I don't try to be unhelpful here, just not sure what else to suggest
[10:45] <anybudy> Dr_Willis: wow!exactly! but I dont know if it will be hard to search and install on boot partition... Need to search for it.
[10:45] <roni-riku> miia
[10:45] <lucent> lilzeus: those commands will give you more info about the things I think could be important to find out what is going on
[10:45] <abongile> lucent: But what's causing the error message when I try to launch the mythbuntu-control centre, I should mention the reason I needed mythbunto control centre was because live tv had stopped working.
[10:45] <lucent> abongile: I'm not a mythbuntu support guy
[10:46] <lucent> also I just don't know
[10:46] <anybudy> Dr_Willis: Thank you very much. g. bye.
[10:46] <lucent> you ask me about linux though and I can help with any of the 200+ commands that I have learned about :)
[10:46] <darkjackaho1> hi there, who can help me with my mic sound? i use jj x86 with gnome
[10:46] <darkjackaho1> thanks
[10:47] <grawity> lucent: It's not how many commands you know, it's how you use them that matters.
[10:47] <lucent> grawity: sparingly.
[10:47] <ortsvorsteher> !details | darkjackaho1
[10:47] <abongile> Lucent: ok what is Xauthority? It's quiet at the Mythbuntu and Mythtv users side but really need help!
[10:48] <lucent> grawity: I saw a one-liner the other day that walked 'stat' output on all files reported by 'find' into 'awk' to sum the apparent filesizes
[10:48] <lucent> mind numbingly elegant
[10:49] <lucent> I'm not happy with the output of 'du' in a lot of use cases
[10:49] <matteo1990> hi all, i had a problem with resolution on my pc and now i haven't in the avaible options the resolution that i had when i installe dubuntu. How to restore those settings?
[10:49] <Sakara_> I am using ubuntu server as a base for my laptop with a very light weight display manager
[10:49] <mint> hey guys, i've been having this debate for the last couple of days, i've been doing some research and i wonder if you could help me and tell why vanilla ubuntu and not linux mint, for example?
[10:49] <niko47> lucent use df -h
[10:49] <Sakara_> can anyone tell me a way of saving networking profiles from cli
[10:50] <grawity> lucent: Like this? find -type f -exec stat -c %s + | awk '{ n=n+$1 } END { print n }'
[10:50] <lucent> niko47: -h doesn't change the behavior of counting blocks and assuming the crap is multiplied by a hard constant of 512 ;P
[10:50] <roni-riku> huhuu
[10:50] <roni-riku> lol
[10:50] <roni-riku> surkee kone
[10:50] <lucent> du is short for dumb in my opinion having used it a number of years, no offense to the authors
[10:50] <niko47> about df then :P?
[10:50] <ortsvorsteher> Sakara_: did you try ifconfig? and for the route netstat -rn. there will be an output which nic has which config
[10:50] <niko47> roni-riku no mitäs :P?
[10:51] <grawity> lucent: 'du' actually reports how much a file takes on the disk, not its exact size.
[10:51] <benovic> after a (852 m 30 s) scan clamscan tells me there is 1 infected file of Scanned files: 155677 - but does not tell me which file is infected - what to do?
[10:51] <lucent> there's --apparent-size option but it counts directory entries at whim
[10:51] <lucent> so I never know what the heck it's going to output
[10:51] <Sakara_> ortsvorsteher: I can do that yer but I use my laptop at work, home and university all with different wireless and ip addresses i have to use
[10:51] <roni-riku> surkee
[10:51] <obiwan_> hiiii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:51] <Sakara_> suppose making bash scripts for each location i visit is possible
[10:51] <lucent> grawity: yeah, which equates to '0' size on any ecryptfs entry
[10:52] <roni-riku> aa moi niko47
[10:52] <roni-riku> surkeita koneita
[10:52] <lucent> grawity: it's so 1998
[10:52] <lilzeus> lucent: I copied the results from the defunct system, do you want to see them?
[10:52] <Sakara_> but I don't like that the passkey to my home network will be in plain text
[10:52] <niko47> miten niin ?
[10:52] <darkjackaho1> ortsvorsteher:  i have a problem to registrer a audio file captured with internal mic, my external don't work as have to. i ear a noise that is not good now that i live in another country and with skype i can't talk. i'm running ubuntu 9.04 jj x86 with gnome. first time i installed it i had a problemwith alsa, but now i can ear all. i'm not a newbie but i need help to solve this trouble. sorry for my bad english, i'm not a native.
[10:52] <darkjackaho1>  ;) thanks to all wanna help me. cheers
[10:52] <lucent> lilzeus: sure yeah privmsg and/or pastebin prefered
[10:52] <mint> hey guys, i've been having this debate for the last couple of days, i've been doing some research and i wonder if you could help me and tell why should i choose vanilla ubuntu and not linux mint?
[10:52] <roni-riku> on vaa mut missä asut
[10:52] <ortsvorsteher> Sakara_: sure. with ifconfig you can configure your nic too. try man ifconfig. after that you can write bash script with your needs in it
[10:52] <roni-riku> hitaita
[10:52] <lucent> faster chanops! kill kill!
[10:52] <niko47> keskisuomessa..
[10:53] <BlouBlou> !repeat | mint
[10:53] <roni-riku> ok meikäki
[10:53] <jaychou> i am back
[10:53] <obiwan_> hey grawity , i'm still noob and yesterday i didn't notice ur query, just thank you 4 info about cloaks hehe now i got one
[10:53] <Sakara_> ortsvorsteher: Thanks for your help. Thats a great idea would not have though of it had i not have spoken to you.
[10:53] <ortsvorsteher> darkjackaho1: which is your mother language?
[10:53] <ortsvorsteher> :)
[10:54] <roni-riku> mitä harrastat niko47
[10:54]  * docmax is searching for a document management system.  any ideas?
[10:54] <niko47> mitäs tässä tietokoneen värkkäämistä.. :P
[10:54] <ortsvorsteher> !msg ubottu !cookie
[10:54] <lucent> uh, nautilus
[10:54] <darkjackaho1> ortsvorsteher: italian, but no problem with english, spanish, and a bit of french (worse i know)
[10:54] <lucent> what do you want it to manage anyways if it's just you
[10:54] <ortsvorsteher> !it | darkjackaho1
[10:55] <bazhang> niko47, english please
[10:55] <roni-riku> miksi
[10:55] <ortsvorsteher> darkjackaho1: i have no idea about the mic problem, may you ask in italian channel too
[10:55] <niko47> ok... here cannot speak own language ?
[10:55] <darkjackaho1> i know but i don't find an answer
[10:55] <roni-riku> ok
[10:55] <bazhang> niko47, you and roni-riku are finnish?
[10:55] <darkjackaho1> ortsvorsteher: very gentlemen, i think my english is not so bad
[10:55] <BlouBlou> niko47: here only in english
[10:55] <roni-riku> we can speak english too
[10:55] <roni-riku> ??
[10:56] <BlouBlou> roni-riku: *only* english
[10:56] <niko47> can private chat count too ?
[10:56] <roni-riku> ok ok
[10:56] <darkjackaho1> i'm writing only in english
[10:56] <bazhang> niko47, PM in whatever language you wish
[10:56] <ortsvorsteher> darkjackaho1: so try again ask the channel, i have no idea sorry :)
[10:56] <JasseT> bazhang: we all are
[10:56] <Dillizar> hey where can i find deb file for eagleusb
[10:56] <darkjackaho1> i've tried before to meet u here
[10:56] <darkjackaho1> just to try first in my m.l.
[10:57] <roni-riku> wait please
[10:58] <niko47> pm roni-riku... -_-
[11:00] <roni-riku> wait please
[11:02] <niko47> what program irc you using roni ?
[11:04] <darkjackaho1> hi there:  i have a problem to registrer a audio file captured with internal mic, my external don't work as have to. i ear a noise that is not good now that i live in another country and with skype i can't talk. i'm running ubuntu 9.04 jj x86 with gnome. first time i installed it i had a problemwith alsa, but now i can ear all. i'm not a newbie but i need help to solve this trouble. ;) thanks to all wanna help me. cheers
[11:05] <lucent> darkjackaho1: http://shop.skype.com/headsets/iss-talk-5115-everyman-headset.html  works in linux, easy and simplest solution
[11:06] <lucent> darkjackaho1: trying to fix what is inside your computer is going to be sadness and tears
[11:06] <ShapeShifter499> I have two computers, one I use, and one mom uses, I want to make it so that while my mom is or isn't using the computer I can access files from it where ever my first computer gets internet, how do I do this?]
[11:06] <lucent> darkjackaho1: ubuntu or anything else, I mean, if you want Skype then ... you need a headset
[11:07] <lucent> ShapeShifter499: no easy solution that I can think of
[11:07] <obiwan_> hey guys, one question what's the ubuntu equalizer? i'm trying to play some good music but bass sounds low, neither totem, or alsamixer, or rythmbox have an option, how can i do it?
[11:07] <lucent> ShapeShifter499: the techie way would be to configure SSH access into there
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> ShapeShifter499:  and what OS is mom's pc using? Uubntu?
[11:07] <mrwhales> hey, pls are there any unix programmers out there
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> mrwhales:  100000's of them
[11:07] <niko47> some has why ?
[11:07] <lucent> from that you could run commands or tunnel VNC and mount SSHFS from FUZE via Gnome
[11:07] <ShapeShifter499> Dr_Willis: yes ubuntu 9.04 for powerpc
[11:08] <mrwhales> hey, pls are there any unix programmers out there
[11:08] <darkjackaho1> lucent: thanks for consider me. so i got this problem 'couse of a problem in alsa i think
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> ShapeShifter499:  ssh and 'sshfs' are proberly the way to go
[11:08] <niko47> what like program u need or script ?
[11:08] <amorphouz> mesa.az.us.undernet.org
[11:08] <lucent> darkjackaho1: I think, a few euros to spend on a headset is an easier way to get your Skype working
[11:08] <ShapeShifter499> Dr_Willis: how do I configure?
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> !ssh | ShapeShifter499
[11:08] <mrwhales> i want to ask about unix programming
[11:08] <mrwhales> can anyone help me out
[11:09] <lstarnes> mrwhales: then ask already
[11:09] <ortsvorsteher> !ask | mrwhales
[11:09] <mrwhales> ok
[11:09] <ShapeShifter499> Dr_Willis
[11:09] <ShapeShifter499> opps
[11:09] <rsk> mrwhales: what's unix programming? sounds pretty vauge
[11:09] <ShapeShifter499> sorry
[11:09] <darkjackaho1> lucent: my headset works very well, with others os is ok but i prefere to use a good os for all not a bad os only for call
[11:10] <mrwhales> im studying software engineering but im in love with linux now, i am in the right course coz im thinknig about specilizing in unix
[11:10] <MenZa> !ot | mrwhales
[11:10] <roni-riku> niia
[11:10] <roni-riku> miia
[11:10] <roni-riku> niia
[11:10] <GuidMorrow> unable to get exclusive lock HELP
[11:10] <roni-riku> miia
[11:10] <FloodBot2> roni-riku: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:10] <Xcell> !fcc rukes
[11:11] <Xcell> !fcc rules
[11:11] <GuidMorrow> !FCC
[11:11] <MenZa> !msgthebot | GuidMorrow, Xcell
[11:11] <mrwhales> ok, im using songbird and it keeps getting gray screen how can i stop this
[11:11] <lucent> darkjackaho1: I have the same problems as you, here
[11:11] <prince_jammys> /msg ubottu to test things.
[11:11] <Guest99893> miia
[11:11] <miia> mitää ron-riku
[11:11] <MenZa> !fi | miia
[11:11] <Xcell> !fccrules
[11:11] <lucent> darkjackaho1: when I make a call then I don't use Ubuntu because of problems, the support is not very good for built-in mic
[11:11] <MenZa> Xcell: Please desist.
[11:11] <mira> miia
[11:11] <roni-riku> ok
[11:12] <Guest42358> miia
[11:12] <Xcell> i am the fcc youy will desist
[11:12] <Xcell> pay attention
[11:12] <darkjackaho1> lucent: but with external is better than notthing, if i fix this last one, all is ok for now
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> mrwhales:  compiz turns a window 'grey' when the app gets 'hung/paused/stuck' for a  set amount of time as an indicator that the app is haung.
[11:12] <GuidMorrow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission
[11:12] <Xcell> i am here for a test
[11:13] <Xcell> !fcc
[11:13] <MenZa> Xcell: This channel is solely for Ubuntu support. Please refrain from spamming the channel with other topics.
[11:13] <prince_jammys> !ops | Xcell, random spamming.
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> mrwhales:  its a 'feature' :)
[11:13] <GuidMorrow> !ot | Xcell
[11:13] <Xcell> !abort
[11:13] <gnomefreak> win 10
[11:13] <darkjackaho1> lucent: and with external one have u solved?
[11:13] <Amaranth> Xcell: Do you have anything useful to contribute to the channel?
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> !love > Xcell
[11:14] <lucent> darkjackaho1: yes, a "USB" headset makes it work very good
[11:14] <gfv> yooow
[11:14] <Theexperts> i have problem in display in ubuntu 9.04, can any one help me?
[11:15] <lucent> the reason is that new audio device (it must be working with linux!) then it works and you do not rely on broken internal sound device
[11:15] <gfv> heloow there
[11:15] <MenZa> Theexperts: Try to be a bit more verbose than that.
[11:15] <darkjackaho1> lucent: and if i got a problem with alsa, wow can it solve a problem?? i don't understand
[11:15] <MIRJAMI> MIIA MIIA MIIA
[11:15] <prince_jammys> MIRJAMI: try to decide on a nickname, and stop spamming.
[11:16] <Theexperts> i have problem in display in ubuntu 9.04, can any one help me?
[11:16] <MenZa> Theexperts: I repeat. Try to be a bit more verbose. And please don't repeat your question so quickly.
[11:16] <Theexperts> ok
[11:16] <nic1> hi..i installed skype..i am getting this error: " /usr/bin/skype.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv "  did any face the same error??
[11:16] <newuser> guys where can I upload a screenshot?
[11:16] <lucent> darkjackaho1: if "A" does not work, then get "B" and "B" works
[11:17] <leaf-sheep> To those who never used a cronjob before, I'm trying to obtain a "Select best editor" ASCII ART.  Will somebody be kind enough to run "crontab -e" and copy/paste the ASCII for the script I'm working on?
[11:17] <Amaranth> newuser: imageshack.us
[11:17] <lucent> darkjackaho1: so we forget about making internal sound work
[11:17] <newuser> imageshashack is full of damn adds
[11:17] <lucent> darkjackaho1: get a headset with its own usb-audio device, this will work with your computer
[11:17] <Amaranth> newuser: Please don't swear
[11:18] <Amaranth> newuser: it's the best you're going to get though, unless you want to use twitpic or something
[11:18] <leaf-sheep> newuser: http://imagebin.ca/
[11:18] <Amaranth> leaf-sheep: that one is always so slow though :/
[11:18] <BullHornX> how can i get flash to properly work in firefox 3.0.14?
[11:18] <leaf-sheep> Amaranth: Really? I personally use ImageShack (with help of Gnome-Do!)
[11:19] <darkjackaho1> lucent: if i don't solve quickly, i'll buy it. thanks
[11:19] <nic1> hi..i installed skype..i am getting this error: " /usr/bin/skype.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv " did any face the same error??
[11:19] <miia> How are you? mira
[11:20] <Amaranth> nic1: Do you have libqt4-dbus installed?
[11:20] <nic1> Amaranth, yes i have libqt4-dubs installed
[11:20] <Amaranth> nic1: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[11:20] <GuidMorrow> !skype > nic1
[11:20] <huwenfeng> 9.04 got problem in grandr, i can not drag one screen above the other screen
[11:21] <nic1> Amaranth, i use 9.04
[11:21] <Amaranth> nic1: do you have nessus installed?
[11:21] <Amaranth> nic1: the wiki page GuidMorrow sent you mentions a similar problem when using nessus
[11:21] <nic1> Amaranth,  no
[11:22] <nic1> what is nessus?
[11:22] <GuidMorrow> ???
[11:22] <Theexperts> when i am login in ubuntu, there is no display...
[11:22] <Amaranth> nic1: I think it's some kind of security scanner
[11:22] <Mira> IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[11:22] <GuidMorrow> !ot > Mira
[11:23] <prince_jammys> same spammer.
[11:23] <Balsaq> need help installing flash
[11:23] <MenZa> !flash | Balsaq
[11:24] <nic1> Amaranth, shall i install nessus??
[11:24] <Amaranth> nic1: no, it is known to cause such problems, not fix them
[11:24] <ShapeShifter499> Dr_Willis: I'm getting stuck at the bottom of-----> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[11:24]  * docmax is searching for a document management system.  any ideas?
[11:25] <nic1> Amaranth, any suggestions how i will be ablet to fix this?
[11:25] <Amaranth> nic1: oh, are you using 64-bit ubuntu?
[11:25] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: The chmod 644 thingy thingy?
[11:26] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: no the step above it
[11:26] <Amaranth> nic1: if so make sure ia32-libs and lib32asound2 are installed
[11:27] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: What about it? What problem are you facing?
[11:27] <Balsaq> went to the link to installflash, say i cant find the plug n installer
[11:27] <nic1> Amaranth, how can i check how many bit ubuntu i am using? mine is i686
[11:27] <lstarnes> nic1: uname -m
[11:27] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: I don't know how to use that command
[11:27] <Amaranth> nic1: dpkg --print-architecture
[11:27] <Amaranth> nic1: if it says amd64 you're using 64-bit
[11:27] <lstarnes> nic1: x64_64 is 64-bit, iX86 is 32-bit
[11:27] <Balsaq> do i have to 1st do something in synaptic to then be able to installflash??
[11:27] <incidence> Eh, I'm starting to hate Banshee. It just says "Parameter name: length Argument is out of range."
[11:28] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: I'm just getting this---------->                                      /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found
[11:28] <nic1> dpkg --print-architecture, gives i386
[11:28] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Something like "ssh-copy-id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:28] <nic1> then my sys is 32 bits
[11:28] <Amaranth> nic1: ok then that's 32-bit and I have no idea what the problem is, sorry
[11:28] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep:where do I get that info
[11:28] <Balsaq> need help installing flash
[11:28] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: What information?  I typed it out.
[11:29] <ShapeShifter499> -.-
[11:29] <nic1> Amaranth, i was trying to install ia32-libs, is it not there in synaptic?
[11:29] <Amaranth> Balsaq: In synaptic click on search and search for "ubuntu-restricted-extras" then install that package
[11:29] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: It's a simple command.  Run it.  And you should get information about checking authorized keys and such.  Then you try and ssh in.  Should be working fine.
[11:30] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep:ok
[11:30] <Amaranth> nic1: That package only exists for the 64-bit version (it's 32-bit libraries for compatibility with 32-bit apps like skype)
[11:30] <nic1> Amaranth, what are those two packages that you have suggested me to install?
[11:30] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: hold on
[11:30] <Amaranth> nic1: Both of those packages are 64-bit only, 32-bit doesn't need them
[11:30] <Balsaq> ok Amaranth but tried it nterminal
[11:30] <Balsaq> will try your way
[11:30] <nic1> Amaranth, ok
[11:31] <Amaranth> Balsaq: terminal is fine too, just run `sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras`
[11:31] <Amaranth> Balsaq: you can also find it in Applications->Add/Remove :)
[11:31] <_jim__jim> anyone use gyachi ?
[11:33] <prince_jammys> _jim__jim: provide some details about your problem, and hopefully someone who knows about it will help you.
[11:33] <Amaranth> nic1: the only reference to this error I can find on google is people using 64-bit and someone having a problem with a different application and asking for help in this channel almost exactly a year ago (and they got no answer either)
[11:33] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: Idk what I'm doing, I'm still geting this---------->                                      /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found
[11:33] <mcdaydavies> ite lad
[11:33] <Amaranth> nic1: I doubt it'll help but try `sudo ldconfig` then run skype again
[11:34] <mcdaydavies> i luv xchat
[11:34] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Run "ssh-keygen"
[11:34] <_jim__jim> prince_jammys, i cant find a d/load for intrepid
[11:34] <Amaranth> nic1: The only other thing I can think of is you're using a version of skype that for some reason requires the Qt 4.6 beta but that wouldn't make any sense
[11:34] <nic1> Amaranth, running sudo ldconfig and then skype gives the same for me
[11:35] <prince_jammys> _jim__jim: you mean there is an application "gyachi" that you want to install, but don't find it in the repositories?
[11:35] <_jim__jim> yeah prince
[11:35] <Amaranth> nic1: I guess it's time to ask ebay/skype for help
[11:35] <nic1> what is Qt 4.6 beta? can i find that in the synaptic of 9.04 ubuntu?
[11:35] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: ok and then?
[11:35] <lucent> wishing I could tag people coming through who are easy to help
[11:35] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Try the earlier command.
[11:35] <Balsaq> Amaranth all the restricted extras are already colred in meaning it looks like they are already doen?
[11:35] <nic1> #skype, is not available i guess right?
[11:35] <_jim__jim> just wondered if anyone used it
[11:35] <Balsaq> doen=doneAmarabth
[11:35] <Amaranth> nic1: no, it's not in 9.04 as it was just released a couple days ago (and is not stable/supported)
[11:36] <Amaranth> nic1: You'll probably need to find some kind of email help on the skype website
[11:36] <Amaranth> nic1: Hopefully they'll be able to help you within a week
[11:36] <Balsaq> Amaranth ther restricted stuff is all checked off in synaptic
[11:36] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: now I'm getting connection refused
[11:36] <_jim__jim> another question ....can you update just one package say pidgin ? ..like apt-get update pidgin ?
[11:37] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Be more specific with errors. It is likely because you recently generated a new pair of keys.
[11:37] <Amaranth> _jim__jim: apt-get install pidgin will update it
[11:37] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: sudo apt-get install pidgin
[11:37] <Amaranth> Balsaq: No idea then, sorry
[11:37] <_jim__jim> what version is in the repositiories ?
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> !info pidgin
[11:37] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: hold on, what do I do with the keys? move one to the other computer?
[11:37] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[11:38] <_jim__jim> imnot sure i d/loaded awhile ago
[11:38] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Yes, with the ssh-copy-id command.
[11:38] <Balsaq> thanks for trying Amaranth
[11:38] <_jim__jim> ido i tell ?
[11:38] <ShapeShifter499> but how?
[11:38] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: check lsb_release -a
[11:38] <Baxt0r> aptitude sucks
[11:38] <Balsaq> anyone else know how to instal flash
[11:38] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: but how?
[11:38] <_jim__jim> k
[11:38] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: You might want to try and ssh in.  If the ssh failed (mismatched), do "rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts"
[11:38] <_jim__jim> Release:	8.10
[11:38] <lstarnes> !info pidgin intrepid
[11:39] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: pidgin 2.5.2 is the version in 8.10's repositories
[11:39] <_jim__jim> yeah dont think that works with yahoo anymore
[11:39] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: well I got a different port than its showing
[11:39] <Sagaci> _jim__jim: it's easy to see what you have installed via synaptic package manager
[11:39] <Baxt0r> so who here isnt a virgin?
[11:40] <Sagaci> Baxt0r: that isn't appropriate
[11:40] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: there may have been a patch for 8.10's version
[11:40] <rsk> Baxt0r: trolling in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:40] <bazhang> Baxt0r, please desist
[11:40] <_jim__jim> yeah lstarnes where would i look for it  ?
[11:40] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: in the repositories?
[11:41] <_jim__jim> ok ill have alook else i try and install from source
[11:41] <purplefool> would anyone know how to get ubuntu to work with following graphic chips?  "VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]"
[11:41] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Different port?  Where are you getting the informations from?
[11:41] <ShapeShifter499> nvm
[11:41] <switchgirlEEE> yeah
[11:41] <lstarnes> _jim__jim: there might be something in the intrepid-backports repo, but I'm not sure
[11:41] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: nvm, I was using the command on the wrong computer
[11:41] <obiwan_> hey guys, one question what's the ubuntu equalizer? i'm trying to play some good music but bass sounds low, neither totem, or alsamixer, or rythmbox have an option, how can i do it?
[11:42] <Baxt0r> 0/0
[11:42] <_jim__jim> ok thanks for trying lstarnes
[11:42] <switchgirlEEE> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[11:42] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: got it now
[11:42] <bazhang> Baxt0r, did you have a support question
[11:42] <prince_jammys> heh
[11:43] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Could you do something simple for me? :3
[11:43] <purplefool> switchgirlEEE, i believe thanks are in order...will see:)
[11:43] <prince_jammys> "slow down and read the ssh howto url" ?
[11:43] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: To those who never used a cronjob before, I'm trying to obtain a "Select best editor" ASCII ART.  Will somebody be kind enough to run "crontab -e" and copy/paste the whole "Select best editor" ASCII ART for the script I'm working on?
[11:43] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: There. Up. :)
[11:44] <switchgirlEEE> purplefool: google is amaizing :
[11:44] <switchgirlEEE> D
[11:45] <purplefool> switchgirlEEE, been googling for 3 days and have got crossed eyes...your page is a new one for me though.
[11:47] <Night_Elf> Hi all. What could you recomend as a flash format streaming server? I am looking at red5 ( http://www.red5server.org/ ) it is written in Java which I'd like to avoid. Any hints for something else ?
[11:48] <j1mp492> i have 2 ubuntu to choose from when i start the computer after an upgrade, how do i get rid of the old one?
[11:48] <lucent> Night_Elf: I think red5 is pretty much it
[11:48] <bazhang> j1mp492, two kernels?
[11:48] <lucent> Night_Elf: you could go with the proprietary solution and pay a lot of money for that
[11:48] <Night_Elf> lucent: seems like the alternatives are not plenty ?  ...
[11:48] <j1mp492> bazhang: think so, i can choose 2 ubuntus, 2 safe mode, 2 memtest but the other one is just an old version
[11:49] <Night_Elf> lucent: well no. I'd preffer open sourced stuff :)
[11:49] <bazhang> j1mp492, best practices is to keep an extra one around
[11:49] <lucent> Night_Elf: naturally. just saying it like I heard
[11:49] <RS-232> Hi all
[11:49] <j1mp492> bazhang: what? i just want 1
[11:49]  * lucent lifts DTR high
[11:49] <Night_Elf> lucent: all right. I'll keep on reading for red5 then
[11:50] <bazhang> j1mp492, then you can remove with synaptic package manager
[11:50] <leaf-sheep> j1mp492: You can change the timing of grub boot menu from 3 seconds to 0 seconds.  That way you won't see them.
[11:51] <leaf-sheep> j1mp492: But then again, bazhang is right. It's good to have old kernels just in case.  Some people upgraded their kernels and reboot. Something went wrong. Frozen. CPU overshot or whatever it is.
[11:51] <Night_Elf> j1mp492: I'd actually like some older kernel around. Just in case the current and latest one gets damaged or anything for whatever reason. With an older one you'd still start the machine up
[11:51] <leaf-sheep> !kernel | j1mp492
[11:51] <leaf-sheep> It's the heart! :)
[11:51] <einstein1969> !it
[11:52] <j1mp492> leaf-sheep: i duelboot windows..
[11:52] <j1mp492> leaf-sheep: they dont take memory? :)
[11:53] <Night_Elf> j1mp492: dualbooting you mean ?
[11:53] <j1mp492> yes
[11:54] <Night_Elf> j1mp492: well, not in the sense you mean. You can only have one kernel working at a time. The other one, just is a couple of files on disk. No biggie, if you ask me
[11:55] <j1mp492> Night_Elf: okey then i keep it
[11:55] <Night_Elf> j1mp492: which is the recomended thing to do
[11:58] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its driving me nuts, I can get shell access using ssh from computer one to computer two but I don't want that I want file access  from computer two to computer one
[11:58] <qetuR> tjena mors!
[11:58] <emil> Hello!
[11:58] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: New to Ubuntu?
[11:58] <qetuR> skulle behöva mounta ett network drive
[11:58] <grawity> ShapeShifter499: Install openssh-server to computer one, too. ssh _does_ give you file access.
[11:58] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep:no but I'm new to ssh
[11:59] <Hz0> hello
[11:59] <Hz0> anybody who can help
[11:59] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep:I have installed it on both computers
[11:59] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: I'm thinking that it would be best choice to use samba or if you do want to use ssh, then you could use Nautilus's Connect To Server.
[12:00] <crippler> Hi. I am installing minimal/bloatware free Ubuntu 9.04. What is the difference between apt-get install gnome or apt-get install gnome-core ?
[12:00] <emil> trying to share folders?
[12:00] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep:ok what about access from anywhere with internet?
[12:00] <kbp> I need help in CHMOD: I would like to apply CHMOD recursively to a folder, but only to group permission only, and leave user permission and creator permission unchange (let say group has rwx permission). Is it possible?
[12:00] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Okay. You want ssh then. In that case, if you're behind a router, you'll need to set up port forwarding from router to your machine.
[12:00] <grawity> kbp: First, yes. g+rwx
[12:01] <grawity> kbp: Second, "user permission" and  "creator permission" are the same thing.
[12:01] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: And from anywhere in the WORLD, you can ssh in, or use any clients that supports ssh.  Learn to use Filezilla too for GUI File Transfers.
[12:02] <grawity> !info gnome > me
[12:02] <emil> anyone here suing mythtv?
[12:02] <kbp> grawity: thank you :) - oh i meant owner and viewer - so g stand for group. I guess o+rwx will apply to the owner, so what the other command left?
[12:02] <rsk> emil: maybe try #mythtv
[12:02] <emil> @leaf-can you use sanba and ssh at the same time?
[12:02] <leaf-sheep> Ah. I was thinking suing, not using.
[12:02] <emil> thanks rsk
[12:02] <fabio_> ciao
[12:03] <grawity> kbp: u is user (owner, creator). g is group. o is others (world).
[12:03] <emil> hahahaha
[12:03] <emil> sorry
[12:03] <kbp> grawity: oh I see. I've written it down. Thanks alot :)
[12:03] <leaf-sheep> emil: Yes you can.  They're the different protocols... just like with http, ftp, ssh, imap, etc.
[12:03] <babyju> hello...I am trying to create a local mirror...the problem I am having is that apache will not allow me to get to all the packages....I have symlinks turned on but I keep getting access denied...any help appreciated
[12:03]  * lucent gives up on trying to help a lost soul
[12:04] <emil> got it thanks
[12:05] <lucent> kbp: there's a few ways to do that
[12:05] <lilzeus> I guess I am the 'lost soul'...thanks
[12:05] <lucent> kbp: I like grawity's way the best so no comment further :)
[12:06] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: I have two router/dsl boxes, one that gives wifi through out the house, and one that gives the main source of internet, can I just port forward on the wifi box?
[12:06] <xharx2> my xubuntu is sometimes crashing when i try to go to suspend; reisub, no reaction. what can be the reason. installation on nettop without hd?
[12:07] <babyju> this path fails for me when I publish my mirror via apache "ubuntu/pool/universe/p/policykit-gnome". I can ls the folder and see the symlinked files but get nothing from the browser.
[12:07] <lucent> xharx2: "suspend-to-ram" or "suspend-to-disk" ?
[12:07] <BaGy> xharx2, try first to hilbernate...afterthis try suspend
[12:07] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: You can do what you want to.  Every setup is different. If you have multiple *nix in the house, you want to set up different port for each different machine so the router know this PORT is for the specific machine, and this different PORT is for the laptop, etc.
[12:07] <xharx2> suspend to ram
[12:08] <xharx2> its happening only sometimes
[12:09] <emil> i think you need to port forward from your modem and you router (wifi)
[12:09] <emil> this will come in useful when you are accessing your server outside your network
[12:10] <ShapeShifter499> ok on my port forwaring page its asking for a server ip address should I make one up or use the same as the computer where the files are going to be ssh from?
[12:10] <damjan__> I am traying to find /etc/iftab file , but there is no one
[12:10] <ShapeShifter499> ok on leaf-sheep:my port forwaring page its asking for a server ip address should I make one up or use the same as the computer where the files are going to be ssh from?
[12:10] <ShapeShifter499> opps
[12:10] <leaf-sheep> To those who never used a cronjob before, I'm trying to obtain a "Select best editor" ASCII ART.  Will somebody be kind enough to run "crontab -e" and copy/paste the ASCII for the personal script I'm working on? Many thanks.
[12:10] <jrib> damjan__: why?
[12:10] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: ok on my port forwaring page its asking for a server ip address should I make one up or use the same as the computer where the files are going to be ssh from?
[12:11] <lilzeus> !ot
[12:11] <emil> which page are you in? the router or the modem?
[12:11] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: I do not know your router/modem at all.  Do see http://portforward.com/
[12:11] <ShapeShifter499> emil: wifi router
[12:11] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: its a netgear router
[12:11] <emil> you need to place your computer ip
[12:12] <emil> make sure your ip address is static
[12:12] <jrib> damjan__: the name for your network interfaces is specified in /etc/udev/rules.d/ somewhere.  10-network.rules iirc
[12:12] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[12:13] <adaptr> 70-static-something
[12:13] <jrib> damjan__: but are you using an up to date ubuntu version? What you describe was an old bug
[12:13] <adaptr> just remove them all and let udev redetect
[12:14] <ShapeShifter499> emil: I'm a big noob at this, how to I tell if the computer I'm ssh from is at a static ip?
[12:14] <emil> ,,,,,,
[12:14] <emil> are you suing 9.04?
[12:14] <emil> using
[12:15] <lucent> ShapeShifter499: static or not static IP is not easy to know
[12:15] <ShapeShifter499> emil: yea
[12:15] <digifor> What would cause my laptop battery to be discharging at zero rate even though it is connected to power?
[12:15] <emil> systems -> preferences -> netowrk conections
[12:15] <MR_OS> hi all , having trouble with mounting HFS+ non-journalized disk in Write mode on ubuntu 9.04
[12:16] <MR_OS> any 1 able to mount HFS+ in Write mode in ubuntu?
[12:17] <Hz0> hello
[12:17] <emil> Hi!
[12:17] <digifor> Mr_OS (X) I assume. There is a way. wait one
[12:18] <bazhang> MR_OS, perhaps hfsutils or hfsplus can help
[12:18] <MR_OS> hfsutils is a package?
[12:18] <bazhang> MR_OS, yep
[12:18] <digifor> http://www.ubuntuproductivity.com/journal/macintosh/08/2009/readwrite-to-hfs-on-ubuntu/
[12:19] <Hz0> hellp
[12:19] <Hz0> can anybody help me
[12:19] <bazhang> Hz0, ask a question
[12:19] <BaGy> xD
[12:19] <digifor> Hz0, Best to just ask the question
[12:19] <MR_OS> bundle of thanks digifor , bazhang i will check and get back :)\
[12:19]  * leaf-sheep helped Hz0.
[12:19] <ShapeShifter499> ok I purged openssh-server and openssh-client and reinstalled, now I can connect and get a shell on both computers
[12:20] <Hz0> i just met a person
[12:20] <emil> nice to hear that
[12:20] <ShapeShifter499> now what do I need to do to share files ?
[12:20] <Hz0> and he was able to tell my router password
[12:20] <Hz0> n my laptop model
[12:20] <Hz0> n all
[12:20] <Hz0> how he do dat
[12:20] <BlouBlou> !enter | Hz0
[12:20] <digifor> MR_OS this might help: http://abhinay.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/repair-fix-mac-hfs-partition-using-ubuntu-cd/
[12:20] <prince_jammys> voodoo
[12:20] <Hz0> he even knew i use ubuntu
[12:21] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Considering getting no-ip or dynsdns too so you don't have to remember the IP address.  "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will pinpoint to your IP.
[12:21] <BaGy> Hz0, try use bfuteforce to crack router pass
[12:21] <prince_jammys> Hz0: someone in your network?
[12:21] <BaGy> bruteforce*
[12:23] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: so wait do I install something new? cuse I don't know how to use that command
[12:23] <ShapeShifter499> I'm getting refused connections
[12:23] <leaf-sheep> Hz0: I'm guessing you never set up your router password and/or are running unsecured Wireless where a goat with a laptop can leech off your Wifi without your permission.
[12:23] <damjan__> This is my situation, I have a router and PC with two network card. One is wired and second is wireless. When I turn up bouth of them up, I cant get to internet, I think this is hapening because application dont know which card to use. What is a proper way to configure route for network card, that bouth of them can function
[12:25] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: What? From where to where? Please be more specific. If you can do it fine in local network, then it's likely the problem with port forwarding / firewall.  The message simply aren't getting across.
[12:26] <xharx2> gibt es in xubuntu irgendwo versteckt systemklänge, die man benutzen kann?
[12:26] <jord>  does anyone know if xubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) with grub2 1.96 will boot with ext4 formated '/boot' partition using kernel 'vmlinuz-2.6.28-15-generic'?
[12:26] <Guest68979> who have time to help me? i'm not a newbie but i've just to fix a little problem with external microphone ('couse internal doesn't work), thanks
[12:26] <damjan__> okapi, a can ping bouth of them, the LAN is not problem
[12:26] <boscop> xharx2: this is an english channel
[12:26] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: well using "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>isn't working
[12:26] <lostanddepressed> jord: i use it, and it works just fine
[12:26] <grawity> ShapeShifter499: Because you must use your own computer's hostname, not the one of no-ip.org
[12:26] <ShapeShifter499> (where shapeshifter is my username of computer)
[12:26] <damjan__> The problem is geting outh of LAN
[12:27] <boscop> xharx2: im eigenen interesse solltest du english sprechen, wenn dich jemand verstehen soll ;)
[12:27] <grawity> ShapeShifter499: If you do have a no-ip.org account, then your hostname might be shapeshifter.no-ip.org or something like that.
[12:27] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Oh don't use it now.  You need to set it up first before you're able to do that.
[12:27] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: -.-
[12:27] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: ok
[12:27] <grawity> ShapeShifter499: Try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for now.
[12:28] <leaf-sheep> grawity: ._.
[12:28] <emil> =)
[12:28] <Take0n> Guys is it possible to change the gnome-panel's color on the whole gnome-panel (including the menu clock notify etc)?
[12:29] <Take0n> I changed properties to solid color and transparency level but it just changed the middle of the panel.. the menu, notify clock etc are still colored as the theme
[12:29] <lucent> Take0n: those parts are not the panel
[12:29] <lucent> Take0n: that's up to... the app or Gtk theme
[12:29] <Take0n> lucent, I know.. is there a way to change them as well?
[12:29] <lucent> maybe if they're the same toolkit based apps like Gtk
[12:30] <Take0n> I see.. where are the gtk themes located? maybe I can change it from there..
[12:30] <lucent> Take0n: that's a little beyond what I know how to do
[12:30] <lucent> I just know roughly where stuff is and hope you can throw the dart :)
[12:30] <blitzer320> quick question i forgot where the xorg config file is
[12:31] <lucent> blitzer320: it's gone for recent versions of Ubuntu
[12:31] <lucent> you can create one and it will get used
[12:31] <lucent> maybe /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:31] <Take0n> thanks lucent I will give it a try google is our best friend!!
[12:32] <blitzer320> thanks i think i'm gonna have to delete it after i update from jaunty to karmic
[12:32] <lucent> Take0n: heed that there's different theme engines for Gtk 1.x and Gtk 2.x
[12:33] <nic1> i have a debian package in my home directory and like t?o install that wth apt-get..how can i do that
[12:33] <lucent> Take0n: not that I know anything using Gtk 1.x anyways
[12:33] <BullHornX> i cant click buttons (pause, play, volume, etc) in youtube. any ideas?
[12:33] <prince_jammys> nic1: dpkg -i pack.deb
[12:33] <jrib> nic1: is it a package for your ubuntu version specifically?
[12:33] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: ok I signed up to no-ip.org'
[12:33] <nic1> yes
[12:33] <prince_jammys> nic1: well, sudo the above.
[12:33] <jrib> nic1: double click on it or what prince_jammys said
[12:33] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: now what? (after I install the app)
[12:33] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Don't worry about it right now. Can you ssh into your own IP as grawity mentioned earlier?  Did it work.
[12:33] <lucent> BullHornX: not using Adobe Flash ?
[12:34] <ShapeShifter499> yea
[12:34] <lucent> BullHornX: "swfdec" or "gnash" won't work very good with Youtube
[12:34] <BullHornX> lucent: i think i am, ive installed flashplugin-nonfree
[12:34] <nic1> does any one have any idea about this error: " dpkg: error processing skype-ubuntu-intrepid_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb (--install):
[12:34] <nic1>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/skype/sounds/CallConnecting.wav', which is also in package skype-common
[12:34] <nic1> "
[12:34] <William-Herry> j
[12:34] <lucent> BullHornX: oh, then I'm not really certain
[12:34] <BullHornX> im having similar problems in zynga poker lucent
[12:34] <grawity> ShapeShifter499: Btw, I also tried sshing to your IP - it's shown as "filtered". In other words, blocked by your firewall.
[12:35] <BullHornX> im pretty sure its some flash player problem, im just too noob to figure it out myself
[12:35] <lucent> nic1: horrible packaging effort
[12:35] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Alright, then sure, sign up for no-ip account, do install no-ip
[12:35] <lucent> nic1: sorry to hear you ran into that
[12:35] <nic1> lucent, so i can not come out of this error now?
[12:35] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: on which computer?
[12:36] <lucent> nic1: not easily
[12:36] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: It does not matter because both will obtain external IP.
[12:36] <lucent> nic1: it kind of sucks.   you can look into forcing overwriting of conflicting files, see manual page for dpkg 'man dpkg'
[12:36] <ShapeShifter499> but what about the computer with the files I want to ssh?
[12:36] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Eg, you only have one WLAN IP, but multiple LAN ips.
[12:36] <ShapeShifter499> no
[12:37] <ShapeShifter499> I use only wlan
[12:37] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Assuming you set up port forwarding to your computer.  In other word, ssh to no-ip is same thing as ssh to your actual IP.
[12:38] <grawity> ShapeShifter499: I'd suggest fixing your firewall first, as with your current configuration, you won't be able to ssh in from anywhere.
[12:38] <ShapeShifter499> I'm lost
[12:38] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Install it on the computer.  What other computer/laptop are you using?
[12:39] <benste> Hi, I'm searching a NAS arround 150€ which is compatible to ubuntu, for listening music with Rhytmbox and Banshee, but also performing backups, and having webinterface access, so. adivses for me ?
[12:39]  * grawity feels ignored
[12:40] <leaf-sheep> grawity: He said he ssh in (with the external IP) just fine.
[12:40] <ShapeShifter499> I have only two computers a apple powerbook g4(has the files I want to ssh) and a acer aspire one 8.9 inch netbook(computer where I want to access ssh files)
[12:40] <Rumo> HI @ ALL!!!          ->  I have two computers, one with dial-up internet + windows xp and one with ubuntu 9.04 64 bit. because theres no way to go with ubuntu to the internet i connected the two by ethernet-cable but nothing happens. What to do to go with ubuntu over ethernet and other computer (dial-up and win xp) to internet?
[12:40] <grawity> leaf-sheep: But he _is_ on the same IP, so different firewall rules apply.
[12:41] <obiwan_> hey guys, one question what's the ubuntu equalizer? i'm trying to play some good music but bass sounds low, neither totem, or alsamixer, or rythmbox have an option, how can i do it?
[12:41] <mnemonica> Anyone in here very familiar with JACK, Qsynth, and the like?
[12:41] <ShapeShifter499> the apple will be used by my mom but she will never touch the files/folders I want to ssh
[12:42] <xharx2> are there any systemsounds in xubuntu i  can use for eg xchat?
[12:42] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: You installed a mac ssh server? Do listen to grawity too. :3
[12:43] <benste> obiwan_: did you try VLC - this one is coming with a native EQ
[12:43] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: both computers have a version of ubuntu 9.04
[12:43] <mnemonica> Anyone in here very familiar with JACK, Qsynth, and the like?
[12:43] <benste> obiwan_: and possibly one other here may know whether pulseaudio has the abillity of an grafic EQ
[12:43] <Kalumba> Do I need to completely uninstall and reinstall network-manager in order to manage it again? After I upgraded to Karmic Beta I have been unable to do anything about the default connection. I can't edit or delete it even as root! I can't connect to the Internet with it even though it worked before. I have to use pppoeconf. What can I do to restore control?
[12:43] <Rumo> HI @ ALL!!!          ->  I have two computers, one with dial-up internet + windows xp and one with ubuntu 9.04 64 bit. because theres no way to go with ubuntu to the internet i connected the two by ethernet-cable but nothing happens. What to do to go with ubuntu over ethernet and other computer (dial-up and win xp) to internet?
[12:43] <amgarchIn9> how do I disable ubuntu-one applet from starting every time I log into KDE and also requesting the keyword passwrod from me?
[12:45] <Husio> xek: are you there?
[12:46] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Can you screenshot the port forward setup and link it for me and grawity?
[12:46] <lucent> ever get the sense that users coming from a Microsoft system background are just trying to screw with your head when they ask for help?
[12:47] <mechdave> lucent, nope
[12:48] <lucent> I'm too jaded, then. :/
[12:48] <jamiewan> lucent: they need help cause they;re the ones who've been screwed with lol
[12:48] <lucent> ha, okay, I get that =)
[12:49] <Ramone> ;<
[12:49] <leaf-sheep> grawity: Remember our conversation earlier about the samba?
[12:49] <Rumo> HI @ ALL!!!          ->  I have two computers, one with dial-up internet + windows xp and one with ubuntu 9.04 64 bit. because theres no way to go with ubuntu to the internet i connected the two by ethernet-cable but nothing happens. What to do to go with ubuntu over ethernet and other computer (dial-up and win xp) to internet?
[12:50] <leaf-sheep> Rumo: Do you prefer a Germany channel?
[12:50] <Rumo> leaf-sheep: why?
[12:51] <emil> coz you sound german?
[12:51] <leaf-sheep> Rumo: Based on your location, I'm asking you because there are channels for that.
[12:51] <leaf-sheep> !de
[12:51] <Rumo> but there are less users than here...
[12:52] <Kalumba> Do I need to completely uninstall and reinstall network-manager in order to manage it again? After I upgraded to Karmic Beta I have been unable to do anything about the default connection. I can't edit or delete it even as root! I can't connect to the Internet with it even though it worked before. I have to use pppoeconf. What can I do to restore control?
[12:52] <leaf-sheep> Rumo: Okay. Do explain about your problem more details.
[12:52] <Rumo> leaf-sheep: ok
[12:53] <Rumo> i have an internet connection with a 56k modem (no DSL or UMTS available...)
[12:53] <Rumo> this modem is connected by USB to a win xp computer
[12:54] <Rumo> and internet works fine but slowly
[12:54] <hsarci> is there a way to edit mouse "speed" independant from mouse "acceleration"?
[12:54] <Rumo> but i want to go on the internet with my second ubuntu computer
[12:55] <fernandohernande> holaaaa alguien de España?
[12:55] <Rumo> and now i connected the two computers with a ethernet cable....
[12:55] <gamerx> rumo, how goes the quest with dial-up?
[12:55] <Rumo> but i dont know how to configure it so that it works
[12:56] <gamerx> rumo, is someone helping you?
[12:56] <natrixnatrix89> !fprint
[12:56] <emil> rumo are your 2 computers connected to a router?
[12:57] <Rumo> gamerx: now i go to internet with my first comp (win xp) and try to connect the two computers....
[12:57] <leaf-sheep> Rumo: Sounds like you need to set up briding on Windows XP so any network devices connected to Windows machine can receive networking.  This is kinda Windows thing.
[12:57] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep, grawity: here is the screen shot of the port forward screen       http://tinypic.com/r/nwg4ee/4
[12:57] <leaf-sheep> Rumo: Looks for err... "Bridge".  I think you can right-click and bridge.
[12:57] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep, grawity: its done in firefox while its in full screen
[12:58] <Rumo> leaf-sheep: a little more detailed please...
[12:58] <gamerx> rumo, yes did you share the connection?
[12:58] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Create a new connection for ssh.  Port 22.
[12:58] <gamerx> yes
[12:58] <emil> rumo is are your 2 computers connected via a router?
[12:59] <leaf-sheep> Rumo: Ask gamerx.  He seems to know what he's doing. I'm assuming he have Windows XP.  I do not run Windows XP.
[12:59] <Rumo> ernil: no
[12:59] <emil> are you using a crosscable?
[12:59] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: but what about the ip?
[12:59] <gamerx> leaf-sheep, you can only bridge high-speed (ethernet) connections iirc, [rumo]
[12:59] <emil> i'm thinking we can enable share internet
[13:00] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: On your Apple machine, run "ifconfig eth0" (assuming it's connected to the router via cable), that's your IP.  Oh you didn't set up static IP as someboody once mentioned?
[13:00] <emil> in windows
[13:00] <gamerx> rumo, if you wait two minutes ill boot my virtual machiene
[13:00] <JuJuBee> I need some assistance getting an ethernet card working.  I just added a new Gig card and cannot get it to obtain an IP address
[13:00] <Rumo> gamerx: ok
[13:00] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: nope no static ip
[13:00] <gamerx> rumo, so what computer are you on at the moment, im guessing the windows xp?
[13:01] <Rumo> gamerx: both comp are on (and infront of me)
[13:01] <hsarci> is it possible to clear a specific package dependancy using apt-get?
[13:01] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Well, don't worry about that.  Run "ifconfig eth0" and get the IP.  Put that in the router configuration.  Set port 22 to the said IP.
[13:01] <pee> hi, I want to create archives with cronjobs. how I can create them easy everytime with a other filename?
[13:02] <emil> @gamerx - i think rumo needs to check if he's using a crosscable rj45
[13:02] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: well I did setup no-ip
[13:02] <gamerx> rumo, okay im just starting my vm, i havent had it running in months plz wait xD
[13:02] <gamerx> emil, that may be but most modern devices can auto-detect the cable type
[13:02] <Rumo> gamerx: im glad and wait for pleasure...
[13:02] <gamerx> rumo, have you got both crossover and straight-thru?
[13:02] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: that command
[13:02] <trijntje> Hi all, I have a problem with my laptop. When I insert the live cd it loads the restricted drivers for it, but ifconfig -a doesnt show anything. Do I need to activate my wireless card or something?
[13:03] <obiwan_> BentJ:  yeah i know vlc i just thought there 'd be any way to equalize in totem, i don't like to install too many software
[13:03] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: just giving me the info of what eth0 is not the ip
[13:03] <llutz> pee: make "date" part of filename
[13:03] <emil> i know =) but he's connecting via dial up =(
[13:03] <Rumo> gamerx: someone told me crossover is not nessasary...
[13:03] <obiwan_> sry i meant benste
[13:03] <JuJuBee> pee do you have a script that cron executes already
[13:04] <emil> @rumo are those new computers?
[13:04] <gamerx> emil, so what exactly would be the difference, he is having a RJ-45 cabl;e between both computers, and the winxp one is connecting to dial-up with a RJ12 modem?
[13:04] <pee> llutz: tar -cf archive$date.tar file.text?
[13:04] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: I got it
[13:04] <pee> JuJuBee: no
[13:04] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr"
[13:04] <leaf-sheep> Oh alright.
[13:04] <benste> obiwan_: so you'd beter google for an EQ of pulseaudio
[13:04] <emil> he might have an oldNIC
[13:04] <gamerx> emil, tru...
[13:04] <benste> obiwan_: pulseaudio is the soundserver used for all playbacks
[13:04] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: Is it safe I'm doing this on wifi
[13:04] <llutz> pee: tar cf $(date'+formatofyourchoice').tar
[13:04] <Artikul8> trijntje
[13:04] <benste> obiwan_: If you found something would be kind of you to let me know
[13:04] <basti__> net
[13:05] <gamerx> Rumo, are the computers rather new (<3yrs)
[13:05] <Artikul8> u there?
[13:05] <JuJuBee> pee I would create a shell script that does the archiving and use date as part of the name as llutz already suggested...
[13:05] <pee> llutz: thx.
[13:05] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: I don't have any wires hooked to the comps, just power cord
[13:05] <stsm> why can't ubuntu see my windows 7 NTFS partitions :s
[13:05] <Rumo> the one with ubuntu is totally new (1 month)
[13:05] <pee> JuJuBee: I'm a newbie at shell scripts. but I will google for it.
[13:05] <llutz> pee: use "man date" to find your format-vars
[13:05] <stsm> this is extremely strange
[13:05] <Rumo> the other is very old
[13:05] <trijntje> on ubuntu 8.04 live cd, the atheros wireless driver gets loaded, but ifconfig -a only shows eth0 and lo, how can i debug this?
[13:05] <emil> how about the windows?
[13:05] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Sure. You might lose some connections when the routers get refreshed or something similar, but really... no.  Yes, you'll be fine.  It's just a port forwarding.
[13:05] <ubuntu_> pee: seach cronjob
[13:06] <gamerx> rumo, plz preceed your text with my name thnkx :)
[13:06] <leaf-sheep> !cronjob | pee
[13:06] <Rumo> gamerx: the one with ubuntu is totally new (1 month)
[13:06] <leaf-sheep> !cron | pee
[13:06] <gamerx> rumo, how old?
[13:06] <ubuntu_> !cron
[13:06] <Rumo> gamerx: the other is very old
[13:06] <lucent> stsm: NTFS partitions must be cleanly unmounted or they will be ignored
[13:06] <JuJuBee> pee:   try reading http://troy.jdmz.net/cron/
[13:06] <Rumo> gamerx: 8 years
[13:06] <stsm> lucent: well i just shutdown windows so :s
[13:06] <gamerx> rumo :O
[13:06] <gamerx> rumo, okay so you need a crossover cable
[13:06] <JuJuBee> Anybody help me with a network card not getting dhcp address?
[13:06] <emil> @gamerx thats a problem
[13:06] <Rumo> gamerx: 1 month (ubuntu computer)
[13:06] <gamerx> emil, you were right xD
[13:06] <emil> :)
[13:07] <lucent> stsm: you may have to boot, shutdown, boot, shutdown
[13:07] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee did you type dhclient eth0?
[13:07] <gamerx> rumo, yes you need a crossover cable :0
[13:07] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: ok what do I use TCP or UDP or both?
[13:07] <Rumo> gamerx: ok
[13:07] <gamerx> rumo, do you have one?
[13:07] <Rumo> gamerx: and it is plug-in ??
[13:07] <stsm> lucent: ok will just try again
[13:07] <lucent> stsm: there's 2 full cycles involved to cleanly chkdsk and unmount a ntfs partition from windows
[13:07] <emil> i suggest check if the cable your using is cross over
[13:07] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Err, to be honest, I don't know what protocol it uses, but both won't hurt.
[13:07] <amgarchIn9> anybody managed to combine *automatic* login with password-less setup of the wireless in 9.10?
[13:07] <gamerx> rumo, it looks exactly the same exept the wires are wired differently
[13:08] <lucent> amgarchIn9: can't be done, that I know of
[13:08] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_:  yes
[13:08] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Turned out to be TCP. Both will be fine.
[13:08] <gamerx> rumo, so the wired used for sending are swapped with the recieve wires on one end...
[13:08] <jamiewan> Rumo: prolly better to get rj45 crossover connector and use 2 ethernet leads, cheaper
[13:08] <lucent> amgarchIn9: it's not exactly a bug either, it's a limitation of passwordless login
[13:08] <amgarchIn9> lucent: I know it was the case in 9.04, also not in 9.10?
[13:08] <Rumo> gamerx: can i cut the cable and fix it in other sequence?
[13:08] <emil> NO
[13:08] <trijntje> Artikul8, wzzp?
[13:08] <ShapeShifter499> leaf-sheep: ok, and I set the begin port at 22 and the end port at 22?
[13:08] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee well then u should get an address from the dhcp server
[13:09] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: not working...
[13:09] <hsarci> does anyone know how to ignore one specific package dependancy?
[13:09] <lucent> amgarchIn9: oh that I haven't tried in a while but I don't see why it would have been improved or how it could be improved
[13:09] <gamerx> rumo, crossover and ethernet cables are fairly cheap, our showp sells them for $5
[13:09] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499: Yes.
[13:09] <emil> @rumo you can only do that if you have an rj45 crimpling tool
[13:09] <ubuntu_> does it return anything after you type dhclient eth0
[13:09] <gamerx> rumo, but technically yes
[13:09] <gamerx> emil, i think he means just cut it in the middle..
[13:09] <lucent> amgarchIn9: passwordless login works by logging you in without knowing the password, and the authentication for the keyring works by having the password
[13:09] <emil> ahhh
[13:09] <lucent> amgarchIn9: take your pick
[13:09] <gamerx> emil + rumo, whitch is a pritty bodged job xD
[13:09] <Rumo> gamerx: can i cut the cable and fix it in other sequence? ---> number 1 with 8 and 2 with 7 and so on???
[13:10] <emil> that's a bit risky
[13:10] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee, try ifconfig eth0 down, then ifconfig eth0 up, then dhclient eth0
[13:10] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: DHCPDISCOVER statements... but doesn't appear to be getting an addresss
[13:10] <gamerx> emil + rumo, yes it is, you could fry your network card
[13:10] <JuJuBee> k, hang on
[13:10] <emil> =)
[13:10] <jamiewan> rump rj45 crossover connector about 2 bucks
[13:10] <jamiewan> Rumo:
[13:10] <stsm> so i have the same problem
[13:11] <gamerx> rumo, you need a crossover cable
[13:11] <Rumo> gamerx: what means fry?
[13:11] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee, it should be set by default in ubuntu to search for a DHCP server, which version are you using?
[13:11] <stsm> the ubuntu installer cannot see my windows 7 partitions....
[13:11] <gamerx> rumo, check if the colours of the wires (in the ends) are the same sequence or different on either end
[13:11] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: using jaunty
[13:11] <stsm> i never ever had this issue before with dualbooting with xp or vista
[13:11] <lucent> Rumo: fry is to stick something in hot oil like "french fries"
[13:11] <gamerx> rumo, fry = dead nic
[13:11] <emil> hahaha
[13:11] <stsm> any suggestions?
[13:11] <gamerx> lucent, i rofl :)
[13:11] <leaf-sheep> stsm: It is not a bug, that's a feature. :)
[13:11] <lucent> Rumo: it also means damage in computer world
[13:11] <stsm> its just seeing my intire disk unallocated :s
[13:11] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee, did you try those commands?
[13:11] <leaf-sheep> stsm: What version?
[13:12] <gamerx> lucent, you never fail to amaze me xD
[13:12] <stsm> eaf-sheep: 9.04
[13:12] <stsm> latest stable
[13:12] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: at one point it did get an address in the 208.67.112 range, but it was connected to a router that should have given a <IP_ADDRESS>/24 address
[13:12] <lucent> gamerx: English is the truly amazing FAIL.
[13:12] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: yes, no luck
[13:12] <ubuntu_> i have had to cut a cable and rewire it to a crossover cable beofre :) works fine
[13:12] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: this is a new card.  Could be driver issue...  If I boot into winblows the card gets a correct IP
[13:12] <llutz> use luster terminals :)
[13:13] <Rumo> gamerx: i cut some cables in past stick it through a wall and put it together --> all was ok and fine....
[13:13] <geirha> stsm: Sure it's looking at the right harddrive? Does ''fdisk -l'' show the windows partitions?
[13:13] <gamerx> rumo, then go for it
[13:13] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee, is it fine if you set a static address?
[13:13] <stsm> geirha: yep right drive
[13:13] <gamerx> rumo, i can find you a guide if you like
[13:13] <stsm> also looked with gparted
[13:13] <emil> amazing!
[13:13] <gamerx> rumo, han gon
[13:13] <JuJuBee> doesn't appear to be
[13:13] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: chatzilla is not letting me use ShapeShifter499 but is letting me use ShapeShifter499_
[13:13] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: so this is me now
[13:13] <Rumo> gamerx: i would be glad...
[13:13] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499_: Welcome back.
[13:13] <ubuntu_> JuJuBee, just search for a different driver to use
[13:13] <stsm> geirha: the intire HD is unallocated space in linux, but it boots windows just fine lol
[13:13] <geirha> stsm: And the drives show up with the correct size?
[13:14] <stsm> geirha: yeah
[13:14] <llutz> Rumo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable
[13:14] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: ok so now what?
[13:14] <JuJuBee> ubuntu_: I  went to Realtek and downloaded and installed latest driver
[13:14] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: got everything up
[13:14] <gamerx> rumo, not sure if this is of any help: http://bit.ly/45kG5a
[13:14] <gamerx> rumo, its the one on the bottom of that page
[13:14] <trijntje> on ubuntu 8.04 live cd, the atheros wireless driver gets loaded, but ifconfig -a only shows eth0 and lo, what should I do to get my wireless working?
[13:15] <Rumo> gamerx: and llutz:  thanks a lot !!!!!!!!!!!
[13:15] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499_: It's mostly about testing stuffs. Try "ssh shape@external-ip" -- and "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:15] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: what about my account at no-ip
[13:15] <ShapeShifter499_> oh
[13:15] <ubuntu_> trijntje, unfortunately it appears there is no driver for your card
[13:15] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499_: Dod you install no-ip?
[13:15] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499_: And configured?
[13:15] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: yes
[13:16] <ShapeShifter499_> but I did not use the ip the site gave me
[13:16] <gamerx> rumo hth, make sure you got the sequence right xD
[13:16] <geirha> stsm: Seems you're not the only one http://www.bauer-power.net/2009/06/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu.html
[13:16] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: but I did not use the ip the site gave me
[13:16] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499_: What do you mean? You don't use the IP?
[13:16] <geirha> stsm: It sounds like windows 7 is partitioning in a non-standard way
[13:16] <Rumo> gamerx: ok ;-)
[13:16] <trijntje> ubuntu_, then why does the restricted device driver gets loaded?
[13:16] <ShapeShifter499_> well they gave me a ip different to the one my comp has right now
[13:16] <stsm> geirha: i guess thats what leaf-sheep menat with "thats a feature not a bug"
[13:16] <stsm> geirha: thanx
[13:17] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: well they gave me a ip different to the one my comp has right now
[13:17] <gamerx> rumo, once you have done that come right back :0
[13:17] <ubuntu_> trijntje, it is not funtioning properly cause u should have wlan0 there or something try reinstalling the drivers
[13:17] <lucent> stsm: GPT?
[13:17] <lucent> stsm: you could try 'parted'
[13:17] <William-Ubuntu> i
[13:17] <grawity> lucent: Even GPT is standard.
[13:18] <leaf-sheep> ShapeShifter499_: http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html
[13:18] <ShapeShifter499_> leaf-sheep: I'm quite confused
[13:18] <stsm> lucent: no geirha is correct
[13:18] <lucent> oh bugger to hear