[05:42] <pitti> Good morning
[07:39] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:45] <willcooke> morning
[07:45] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:04] <Laney> yo yo
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[08:05] <willcooke> hey Laney
[08:06] <FJKong> hey seb128  willcooke  Laney
[08:06] <willcooke> hey FJKong :)
[08:06] <Laney> pretty good thanks
[08:06] <seb128> hey FJKong
[08:06] <Laney> I'm excited about tomorrow
[08:07] <Laney> hey fjk, nice hostmask
[08:07] <willcooke> ha!  excellent
[08:07] <FJKong> Laney: how can you see it?
[08:07] <Laney> /whois FJKong
[08:07] <FJKong> info ?
[08:07] <FJKong> oh
[08:07] <willcooke> or in xchat just right click the name
[08:07] <Laney> irssi all the way
[08:07] <willcooke> then see the top menu item
[08:08] <willcooke> GUI for the manager
[08:08] <willcooke> ;)
[08:08] <larsu> lol
[08:08] <willcooke> nice pretty pictures
[08:08] <larsu> morning everyone!
[08:08] <willcooke> morning larsu
[08:08] <Laney> I'm the one person who uses transparent terminals in g-t
[08:08] <Laney> so I have my pretty background too :p
[08:08] <willcooke> :D
[08:08] <larsu> Laney: srsly?
[08:09] <larsu> _you_ are the reason we have that patch? :P
[08:09] <FJKong> Laney: transparent +1
[08:09] <Laney> it's not a patch yet!
[08:13] <larsu> it's not?
[08:13] <larsu> oh, 3.6
[08:13] <larsu> what came of pitti's endeavour the other day?
[08:14] <Laney> upstream proposed some fallback solution
[08:42] <Laney> why do I have "Phone Calls" and "SMS" under i-messages on my desktop now?
[08:43] <seb128> Laney, because you ran components from the telephony stack, likely through ubuntu-system-settings
[08:44] <Laney> ran them how?
[08:44] <Laney> I mean I do have telephony-service installed through some dep chain
[08:44] <Laney> but ...
[08:44] <seb128> it likely got dbus activated at some point
[08:44] <seb128> by something
[08:44] <Laney> what's the indicator looking at to populate this menu?
[08:46] <seb128> com.canonical.indicator.messages applications
[08:47] <Laney> I think there's an API for stuff to add itself in there
[08:47] <Laney> or something
[08:47] <Laney> aha
[08:48] <larsu> ya, that's the one
[08:48] <larsu> this is one of the reasons I'm trying to push for that new API...
[08:48] <Laney> and where does telephony stuff get inserted in there?
[08:48] <Laney> I want to find out who to give the bug to
[08:49] <larsu> the telephony app (or -service?) registers itself every time it starts up
[08:49] <larsu> which is what it should do according to the old api
[08:49] <Laney> but before that the indicator shows a list of all applications
[08:49] <Laney> which seems to be using this key
[08:49] <larsu> because that was made for the messaging menu on the desktop, where apps appear as soon as they're running
[08:49] <larsu> Laney: yes.
[08:50] <Laney> so I want to know how telephony-service-*.desktop got in there
[08:50] <larsu> changing the key and not restarting the app will solve this
[08:50] <Laney> to file a bug on that component
[08:50] <seb128> Laney, don't start telephony-service if you don't want it added there
[08:50] <seb128> same, if you run e.g piding one it's added there
[08:50] <seb128> even if you never use it again
[08:51] <Laney> so you are saying it is not a bug that I see a Phone Calls entry on a system that cannot make Phone Calls
[08:51] <pitti> larsu: which endeavour?
[08:51] <pitti> larsu: oh, for bug 1132700?
[08:51] <pitti> larsu: I discussed that with upstream a fair bit, and I think we have an agreement now
[08:52] <Laney> I assume that it was bus activated from uss
[08:52] <pitti> larsu: i. e. we keep the sourcing of profile.d/vte.sh, but re-add the cwd_from_pid() as a fallback if PROMPT_COMMAND doesn't have the magic bits
[08:53] <pitti> larsu: earlier bash versions (up to intrepid) already defined PROMPT_COMMAND in /etc/skel/.bashrc, so quite some users will have it; for those we need the fallback
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, indicator-messages is not smart enough to have the "only show on system that can make $action"
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, same, if you run pidgin on a system without internet it's still going to be added
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, if you can't use it
[08:53] <seb128> even*
[08:53] <Laney> that's why I am asking where it gets inserted
[08:53] <Laney> someone calls some API that causes it to be added to this list
[08:53] <seb128> larsu replied to that
[08:54] <seb128> Laney, telephony-service/indicator/messagingmenu.cpp messaging_menu_app_register(mMessagesApp);
[08:54] <Laney> ta
[08:54] <seb128> yw
[08:55] <seb128> Laney, basically your bug is "telephony-service should bail out on systems without phony capabilities"
[08:55] <seb128> I guess
[08:55] <Laney> maybe
[08:55] <seb128> and do that before it does those registrations
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, I don't understand your u-s-d comment, I'm running the version in the silo, which is based on the most recent commit on that vcs
[08:57] <Laney> ah
[08:57] <Laney> I thought you meant you were using darkxst's ppa
[08:57] <seb128> what revision is supposed to fix it?
[08:57] <seb128> no, I'm using https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-026
[08:57] <Laney> the silo would have it I'd have thought
[08:57] <Laney> those don't have ddebs?
[08:58] <seb128> it might, I just don't know where to find them
[08:58] <seb128> they are not on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-026/+packages
[08:58] <seb128> btw what revision is supposed to fix it?
[08:58] <seb128> the most recent commit changes g_warning calls to g_debug, which I doubt fix that
[08:59] <seb128> the previous ones are changelog edits
[08:59] <Laney> I don't think he was VCSing the changes properly
[08:59] <seb128> and then there is the initial commit
[08:59] <Laney> there were some iterations in the ppa
[08:59] <seb128> maybe the vcs didn't get the fix?
[08:59] <Laney> debdiffed it, doesn't look like there's much different
[09:00] <Laney> pitti: do these CI train PPAs build ddebs?
[09:00] <Laney> if so, how do you get at them?
[09:04] <pitti> Laney: they should use the normal distro builders, so yes
[09:05] <pitti> Laney: while they aren't published in Ubuntu there is no Pacakges.gz to match them against, so they won't be "really" published
[09:05] <seb128> wgettable from somewhere?
[09:05] <pitti> Laney: but you can download the ddeb tarballs from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/queue/
[09:05] <pitti> i. e. you need to know pacakge name and version
[09:06] <pitti> they are held in that queue until they get ref'ed by a distro/release/pocket, and then put into the pool and indexes accordingly
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: de rien
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, salut, j'ai le rhume mais sinon ça va ! et toi ?
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: ouch, bon rétablissement ! c'est l'automne :/
[09:07] <Laney> don't see u-c-c in there
[09:07] <Laney> wait
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien; j'attends avec impatience LinuxCon/Plumbers/Washington sprint!
[09:07] <Laney> I should search for the right package ^o)
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8525860/
[09:09] <Laney> looks like the same as before
[09:09] <Laney> somehow it gets corrupted
[09:09] <Laney> but previously it would happen at every suspend ?!
[09:09] <Laney> darkxst: what did you find out?
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, comment on the mp meanwhile
[09:16] <seb128> commented even
[09:16] <Laney> k
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, I'm looking at the glibmm (mentioning in case you would have started looking at/making sure we don't dup work)
[09:18] <Laney> oh no I didn't because you said you would
[09:18] <Laney> ta
[09:18] <larsu> pitti: ah, thanks. Is anyone working on that?
[09:18] <larsu> Laney: like I'm sying for quite some time now, messaging menu is a bit of a mess right now
[09:18] <pitti> larsu: not this week, I was going to look at it as a side thing next week during plumber's
[09:19] <larsu> pitti: awesome thank you!
[09:19] <Laney> larsu: I believe you, but I also believe telephony-service could just avoid calling messaging menu APIs itself
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, btw did you say you would get gtk2 uploaded with the lock/glib change?
[09:19] <Laney> yeah
[09:20] <seb128> good, thanks
[09:20] <larsu> Laney: they shouldn't have to for their use case, though. And they're not really testing it on desktops...
[09:20] <seb128> hum, gtk+2 didn't migrate out of proposed
[09:20] <larsu> Laney: but ya, I see your point :)
[09:20] <larsu> it's quite annoying
[09:20] <seb128> autopkgtest for unity-firefox-extension 3.0.0+14.04.20140416-0ubuntu1: Regression (Jenkins: public, private)
[09:20] <seb128> hum
[09:20] <larsu> I think that's a flaw in the design, but don't let mpt know
[09:21] <seb128> "Downloading/unpacking mozmill
[09:21] <seb128>   Cannot fetch index base URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/
[09:21] <seb128>   Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement mozmill"
[09:21] <seb128> doesn't look like it has anything to do with gtk
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, ^ can we overwrite that?
[09:25] <Laney> no, or at least not yet
[09:25] <Laney> that sounds transient or maybe like a http_proxy problem
[09:26] <seb128> k
[09:26] <seb128> well, gtk is blocked for 6 days
[09:26] <seb128> should we just retry?
[09:27] <Laney> pitti already did
[09:27] <mpt> larsu, I think the messaging menu is a failed experiment tbh
[09:28] <larsu> mpt: hm, interesting. Failed in the sense that apps weren't using it right?
[09:28] <mpt> and even if it wasn’t, it would be substantially less useful now that many/most people use smartphones instead of IM clients
[09:28] <larsu> I did think it was a great idea when we first made it, but it just doesn't work right in practice
[09:31] <mpt> Messages in different apps have very different importance levels, even to the same person, let alone different people. The messaging menu collapses that all into “you have new messages or not”, with the only granularity being apps opting out.
[09:37] <Laney> pitti: do you think https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-unity-firefox-extension/21/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console is proxy-ish?
[09:38] <Laney> pip is supposed to respect the env vars AFAICS
[09:39] <pitti> Laney: likely, but it succeeded on Oct 1; proxy didn't change sinc ehten
[09:40] <pitti> worth running locally in any case, to check
[09:40] <Laney> to see if it works, you  mean?
[09:40] <Laney> I'm guessing I won't have proxy restrictions tehre
[09:41] <Laney> the file it's complaining about does indeed exist
[09:41] <Laney> s/file/URL/
[09:42] <pitti> Laney: I re-queued a run (will take a bit, there's a long queue)
[09:42] <Laney> thanks, not that hopeful though
[09:42] <Laney> going to try running it here
[09:50] <Laney> yeah, works locally
[09:55] <pitti> Laney: worked again in CI, too
[09:56] <Laney> well I never
[09:56] <Laney> maybe it was genuinely down
[09:59] <seb128> gtk2 migrated, thanks pitti&Laney
[09:59] <Laney> woot
[10:00] <pitti> \o/
[10:00] <Laney> "wouldn't it be nice if we had notifications of blocked migrations?"
[10:00]  * Laney runs
[10:01] <pitti> +$lots
[10:02] <Laney> I wonder if you could hack up an LP API script to do that
[10:02] <pitti> oh right, excuses.html doesn't have "waiting since $date"
[10:03] <Laney> it does have "days old"
[10:03] <pitti> ah right, that's useful
[10:04] <Laney> but you need to involve LP to trace back to the uploader, I think
[10:04] <Laney> for example to not spam Debian maintainers in the case of autosyncs
[10:13] <Laney> 1 minute lock timeout is annoying
[10:14] <Laney> crash you stupid thing
[10:17] <seb128> Laney, do you run it under valgrind or something?
[10:18] <Laney> just gdb
[10:22]  * xnox feels like I jump back on #ubuntu-* irc to complain about bugs and or supply fixes these days
[10:22] <xnox> too much work and no fun.
[10:22] <xnox> i wonder if most people end up like that.
[10:22] <Laney> you have all the fun on #intel-desktop?
[10:23] <xnox> Laney: #intel-desktop?! no idea about that channel.
[10:23] <xnox> there is #intel-gfx, but it's all GPU and no fun.
[10:23] <Laney> #intel-uk #intel-release #intel-dmb
[10:23] <xnox> hahaha.
[10:24] <xnox> Laney: nah, we only have #clowns
[10:24] <Laney> I was going to say that's more scary than warthogs, but then thought again
[10:24] <Laney> they're both pretty bad
[10:25]  * xnox rofl
[10:26] <Laney> how's intelife?
[10:27] <mpt> XNOX :)))))
[10:27] <seb128> hum, killing u-s-d tends to segfault compiz/unity here
[10:27] <xnox> mpt: hey! we should do brunch this weekend.  [ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] There is not enough time in any given day to sufficiently hate autotools
[10:34] <Laney> Two Minutes Hate
[10:34] <pitti> Sweetshark: I used to be in the third bucket, now that I grew older I'm merely [X] Yes :)
[10:45] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[10:50] <xnox> Sweetshark: there is always rpmbuild to hate..... =)
[11:58] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[12:02] <ochosi> hey xnox
[12:03] <Trevinho> seb128: so... the CSD saga, basically at unity level all is fine, and some problems have been fixed, however, what is missing is the theme support... l3on did some work at https://code.launchpad.net/~l3on/ubuntu-themes/gnome-shell-fixes/+merge/214003 but the problem is that nautilus (and maybe something else?) has troubles witht that
[12:03] <Trevinho> (http://imgur.com/iQZnbQ6) so...
[12:03] <Trevinho> not sure what's the best solution, whether fixing nautilus or, if that might affect other stuff
[12:04] <seb128> Trevinho, nautilus currently doesn't use GtkHeaderBar
[12:04] <l3on> seb128, no, it does... it's in NautilusToolbar.c
[12:04] <Trevinho> one way to avoid it is to use a feature that we should backport from gtk 3.14 (https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/commit/bde4e863579f05368661347bfaf55e0480e4555c)
[12:04] <ochosi> hey folks, we've noticed a regression in the latest indicator-sound update to utopic (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1379287), who would i talk to about this best?
[12:04] <seb128> ochosi, ted
[12:04] <seb128> or charles
[12:05] <seb128> hey btw ;-)
[12:05] <ochosi> and hey seb128 :)
[12:05] <seb128> l3on, no it doesn't
[12:05]  * ochosi was away for a while, and i come back and indicator-sound is broken... :)
[12:05] <seb128> Trevinho, well, on utopic I still can't resize csd windows... did you ever land support in Unity for those?
[12:05] <l3on> seb128, it adds the '.header-bar' class to the widget. So .. it's displayed a GtkHeaderBar
[12:05] <seb128> l3on, the widget is not an headerbar though
[12:05] <larsu> l3on, Trevinho: why do you change the headerbar theme?
[12:05] <Trevinho> seb128: it's an approved branch
[12:05] <larsu> all that's needed is adding shadows to windows, no?
[12:06] <Trevinho> larsu: well, to have properly decorated CSD windows, with borders and shadows...
[12:06] <seb128> Trevinho, ok, would have been nice to follow up on the list discussion with the url to that, would male people happy there
[12:06] <larsu> Trevinho: right, but you don't need to change the styling of headerbars for that... nor gedit, which is also in that branch
[12:06] <ochosi> seb128: any idea what would be the best time to reach either of those two? (i mean what tz they're in etc)
[12:07] <larsu> Trevinho: please put me as reviewer on that branch and don't merge it before I took a look
[12:07] <Trevinho> larsu: well, that branch has more than what we need... Actually
[12:07] <seb128> ochosi, they should be up in the next hour, they are utc-4 or 5
[12:07] <ochosi> ah, good to know!
[12:07] <ochosi> thanks a bunch!
[12:08] <larsu> Trevinho: right, we should have separate MRs for separate issues to make reverting easier
[12:08] <Trevinho> larsu: all I that I do care is having the proper border and curved/shadowed CSD
[12:08] <Trevinho> l3on: ^
[12:08] <larsu> Trevinho: does the unity in utopic support frame extents?
[12:08] <larsu> this is what I was waiting for...
[12:09] <l3on> the branch, actually, fixes issues with gtk 3.12 - one (and the biggest one) is the CSD
[12:09] <Trevinho> larsu: we don't need to, but we do support resizing as it should
[12:09] <Trevinho> larsu: the branch is approved, but not merged yet btw
[12:10] <larsu> Trevinho: I thought we do need to support that because otherwise unity/compiz think the shadows are part of the window and doesn't allow maximizing all the way
[12:10] <seb128> ochosi, they might already know about the issue, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/revert-notifications/+merge/237664
[12:11] <Trevinho> larsu: the only case i saw we need to get the extents is for some drawing effects, but not for resizing... I will add that too, btw. But I preferred to rewrite some parts of deocrations logic before
[12:12] <Trevinho> larsu: anyway, right now there are no shadows provided by the theme, then there's not this problem
[12:12] <Trevinho> when the theme will provide the shadows, then we'll have to manage extents (but only to handle some edge cases)
[12:13] <larsu> Trevinho: I waited to add shadows to the theme becuse they don't work in unity yet...
[12:13] <larsu> Trevinho: I asked you in Malta to fix that...
[12:13] <ochosi> seb128: wow, how did you find that so quickly? i guess i'll ask them 'bout it and if i can't get a hold of them today, i'll just add a comment somwhere there or subscribe them to the bugreport
[12:13] <seb128> ochosi, I'm subscribed to the indicators on launchpad, just looking in that mailbox for recent changes
[12:13] <ochosi> cool, thanks a bunch for that!
[12:15] <seb128> yw!
[12:15] <Trevinho> larsu: well, actually they should work also without any unity change... I mean, the only issue I see is that the window glow when using scale/switcher might be wrong, but nothing else is broken AFAIK
[12:16] <Trevinho> larsu: the unity change to add the shadows, was needed by gtk 3.10, but not by 3.12, that doesn't care about NET_SUPPORTED anymore
[12:17] <larsu> Trevinho: I'm just testing it. I can't move windows with shadows to the borders (because frame extents is not supported) and compiz crashes when I maximize...
[12:20] <larsu> Trevinho: to be fair, it only crashes with 3.14. I can't move the window all the way to the top to maximize with 3.12 though
[12:21] <Trevinho> larsu: ah, the crash is wierd, btw as for the moving I don't see why it shouldnt'... It's up to the window to setup an input are for dragging it
[12:21] <larsu> Trevinho: edge snapping is thus also broken, as is the switcher (like you said). I don't think these are acceptable tradeoffs for shadows...
[12:22] <larsu> Trevinho: I can move it, but it stops before the panel, because unity thinks the window starts where the shadow starts
[12:22] <Trevinho> larsu: no, but I had to do a major work on decorations before, now adding the extents should be trivial...
[12:22] <Trevinho> ok
[12:22] <larsu> Trevinho: will we get it this cycle?
[12:22] <larsu> (please :) )
[12:23] <Laney> not sure about major work two weeks out of the release
[12:23] <Trevinho> yeah
[12:23] <seb128> larsu, don't count on it for this cycle
[12:23] <Trevinho> Laney: these are fixes, but they needed to reorder the stuff
[12:23] <larsu> :(
[12:23] <larsu> this is why I told you about this at the beginning of the cycle
[12:23] <larsu> and said it was important
[12:24] <Trevinho> yeah, but... well we had securty issues that were much more unfortunately :/
[12:25] <larsu> uh oh :)
[12:25] <Trevinho> anyway I don't think is something major in terms of changes for compiz, so let's still see
[12:25]  * Sweetshark tried to give bzr another try ...
[12:26]  * Sweetshark still starts hating bzr by using it.
[12:26] <larsu> Sweetshark: and your house caught on fire?
[12:28] <Sweetshark> larsu: not yet. why? is that an expected sideeffect of using bzr?
[12:30] <seb128> Trevinho, is there a list somewhere of things your team is working on/a priority order for your work?
[12:30] <seb128> bregma, ^
[12:30] <seb128> so we can have visibility if things we need are likely to happen or not
[12:30] <seb128> like that csd work we needed and is not going to land in utopic
[12:31] <larsu> Sweetshark: I can imagine several scenarios, yeah. Most of them involve someone going insane
[12:31] <bregma> seb128, not really:  priority was lockscreen and scaling fixes, that's about it
[12:31] <seb128> bregma, can we get gtk-csd support on there for next cycle?
[12:31] <seb128> bregma, that's blocking us to update some apps
[12:32] <bregma> seb128, we can do that
[12:32] <seb128> that would be great
[12:32] <larsu> bregma: thanks
[12:32] <seb128> seems Trevinho is on it, so I guess it's going to be fine
[12:32] <l3on> seb128, that's a problem with GTK3.14 (so, maybe next cycle) .. theme is full incompatible
[12:32] <seb128> but just to make sure it actual lands ;-)
[12:32] <seb128> thanks bregma Trevinho!
[12:32] <larsu> l3on: what do you mean?
[12:34] <l3on> larsu, open your gnome-tweak-tool  ... this is the GTK3.14 version with ambiance -> http://i.imgur.com/xFWpfoH.png
[12:34] <seb128> l3on, looks fine?
[12:34] <l3on> .button class everywhere (don't know why) and checkbox images does not work
[12:35] <seb128> oh
[12:35] <seb128> that's not how it's supposed to look, ok
[12:35] <seb128> I was rather looking at the decorations ;-)
[12:35] <larsu> l3on: it's gnome-tweak-tool that changed
[12:36] <larsu> l3on: but yeah, they're lots of things using .flat.button, I saw that when adding support for popovers
[12:36] <larsu> l3on: not terribly hard to fix
[12:36] <seb128> what are flat.button?
[12:36] <seb128> buttons without borders?
[12:36] <larsu> seb128: things that have css classes "flat" and "button"
[12:36] <l3on> larsu, I started working on gtk 3.14 and ambiance .. it seemed not so simple to fix
[12:36] <larsu> seb128: yes, they use it for exactly that
[12:37] <seb128> what was used instead of those before?
[12:37] <larsu> seb128: lots of different things depening on the widgets. For example, popover items use "menuitem"
[12:37] <larsu> seb128: it makes a lot of sense to not have a separate style class for every widget though, to make themes smaller and easier to change
[12:37] <l3on> seb128, it's like a new GtkGrid, which auto-add .button class
[12:37] <larsu> seb128: this seems to be an effort towards that
[12:38] <l3on> it's called like "ButtonRows" ..
[12:38] <l3on> don't remember.
[12:38] <larsu> that's in gtk?
[12:38] <larsu> or in tweaktool?
[12:38] <l3on> yep .. 3.14
[12:39] <l3on> > GtkListBox <
[12:39] <larsu> oh, listbox has been in there for a while now
[12:41] <Sweetshark> larsu: assuming insanity is a boolean, not something measured by a continuous function, there is little additional risk at this point then.
[12:41] <larsu> haha :D
[12:41] <l3on> bbl
[12:42]  * larsu remembers tht Sweetshark regularly builds LO and nods
[12:54] <willcooke> qengho,g'morning.  are you online yet?
[12:59] <qengho> willcooke: hi hi
[13:14] <ted> ochosi, Yeah, it was reverted for a few bugs. But MacSlow|lunch is actually the man there.
[13:15] <ted> ochosi, I've added your bug to the list of ones that need resolution on the MR to reenable the notifications. https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/synchronous-notification/+merge/237666
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, does the glibmm2.4 needs a ffe?
[13:27] <l3on> bytheway .. IMHO .. Ambiance and Radiance could be rewritten, forking adwaita .. it's awesome, it's written in scss, and it has some cool (useless) effects :)
[13:29] <MacSlow> ted, ehm... volume-notification related?!
[13:30] <ochosi> ted: ok thanks for adding it to the monitor and good to know! so the reverted version will get released/uploaded before 14.10 final i presume?
[13:30] <ochosi> yeah
[13:30] <ochosi> hey MacSlow
[13:30] <ochosi> in xubuntu we noticed that after the most recent indicator-sound update the notifications were buggy
[13:30] <MacSlow> ochosi, hey there... what's up?
[13:30] <ochosi> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379287
[13:31] <ochosi> that's the report ^
[13:32] <MacSlow> ochosi, yeah... it turns out that there's nobody who looked into phone-desktop convergence issues... the patch being reverted for the moment as more related issues turned up
[13:32] <ochosi> yup, understandable
[13:32] <ochosi> again, thanks for keeping this on the radar!
[13:36] <Laney> seb128: don't know, what changes are in it?
[13:36] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibmm2.4/+bug/1379344
[13:36] <Laney> lolz
[13:36] <seb128> ?
[13:38] <Laney> is that a sync?
[13:38] <seb128> yes
[13:38] <Laney> cool
[13:38] <seb128> I did test built/run it locally
[13:38] <Laney> launchpad is being extremely slow
[13:38] <seb128> it's in Debian testing already
[13:38] <seb128> Laney, btw, I managed to reproduce the u-s-d segfault
[13:39] <seb128> it happens every time I go to unity-greeter
[13:39] <seb128> e.g change user from the session indicator
[13:39] <Laney> neat
[13:39]  * seb128 comments on the mr saying that
[13:41] <Laney> this is a different trace
[13:41] <Laney> but I have that too
[13:43] <seb128> ah, I didn't look at the bt yet
[13:43] <seb128> just noticed while testing something else
[13:43] <seb128> when I come back to my session I get apport
[13:44] <seb128> well, at least it's an issue easy to trigger so that should be debuggable
[14:06]  * Sweetshark shakes angry old man fist.
[14:07] <Sweetshark> seb128 seems to be able to sense when someone wants to trick him into codereview and upload ...
[15:09] <Sweetshark> anyone volunteering to review/upload: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/ixion-autoreconf/revision/5?start_revid=5 ?
[15:20] <Sweetshark> seb128: old friend!
[15:20]  * Sweetshark just said: anyone volunteering to review/upload: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/ixion-autoreconf/revision/5?start_revid=5 ?
[15:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: that is to unblock the dep-wait of liborcus on libixion, which is a Bad Thing(tm) (see bug 1349859)
[15:58] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, can you have a look
[16:01] <Sweetshark> seb128: huh?
[16:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, you need a reviewer/uploader?
[16:02] <seb128> Sweetshark, doh, sorry, dealing with a stack of pings
[16:02] <seb128> I meant 'I can have a look' ;-)
[16:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: heh, np.
[16:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: thanks.
[16:44] <seb128> Laney, did you have any opinion on the glibmm ffe?
[16:44] <Laney> oh, yeah, sorry, seems fine
[16:44] <seb128> should I just go ahead and do the sync?
[16:44] <Laney> lemme comment quickly
[16:44] <seb128> it's not going to be linked to the lp bug if it's a direct sync
[16:44] <seb128> thanks
[16:45] <Laney> indeed
[16:47] <willcooke> right, I'm off for dinner.  I'm helping out at Beavers tonight (not a strip club, sadly)
[17:18] <seb128> hum
[17:18] <seb128> is that new that the music/rb stops on screen blanking?
[17:18] <seb128> or another u-s-d/idle issue?
[18:33] <Sweetshark> seb128, pitti: so ... im looking into the ftbfs of dict-ve and dict-ss. I fixed them for hunspell, but aspell is still broken. FWIW, dict-ve disabled aspell dicts a long time ago, and, given that apell is mostly obsolete, I wonder if it is ok to disable aspell in dict-ss too. any opinions?
[19:46] <DistroFeud> HAI
[20:29] <darkxst> Laney, hi
[20:31] <Laney> hello
[20:31] <darkxst> does removing a device work ok with your patch?
[20:31] <darkxst> since the idle monitor object won't actually get removed
[20:31] <Laney> i didn't try
[20:31] <Laney> feel free to find the right place to put an unref if you can find it
[20:33] <darkxst> I will have a look a bit later
[20:34] <Laney> I tried pairing them in on_device_added and on_device_removed but it didn't fix the crash
[20:37] <darkxst> what triggered the crash?
[20:41] <Laney> if you use the sesion indicator to go to a guest session, then log out and back in to your normal account
[20:41] <Laney> there's some kind of double free of a GdkDevice but it happens in a callback so hard to tell where it comes from
[20:42] <Laney> I just tried removing a device, what would you expect to break?
[20:42] <willcooke> canhaz Netflix
[20:44] <Laney> saw something about that
[20:44] <Laney> shame you need out of archive non-free software :-)
[20:44] <willcooke> yeah, true enough - but one step at a time
[20:45] <willcooke> I dont see a FOSS DRM library happening anytime soon
[20:45] <willcooke> or rather
[20:45] <willcooke> I dont see the big content providers supporting one
[20:46] <Laney> oh well
[20:46] <Laney> darkxst: ^^^ question up there
[20:46] <Laney> quick, before I start playing borderlands
[20:58] <darkxst> Laney, I don't know what could happen, so long as it doesnt crash
[21:02] <Laney> nah
[21:03] <Laney> each of the plugins has a callback to remove the device from their list of managed devices
[21:03] <darkxst> but you will have a idle monitor/gdkdevice object without the actual device backing it
[21:03] <Laney> there might be a leak of a GdkDevice possibly
[21:03] <Laney> way preferable to a crash though :p
[21:06] <darkxst> yeh
[21:20] <Laney> thankfully I don't see any bug like seb128 was talking about above :-)
[21:20] <Laney> music keeps playing after a screen blank/lock
[21:24] <darkxst> that would seem idle monitor related though
[21:24] <darkxst> s/would/wouldnt/
[23:20] <robert_ancell> mhall119, where is the code/bug reporter for myapps.developer.ubuntu.com?


[00:00] <brainwash> MrTulias: usually no, it should exist by default I think
[00:03] <MrTulias> Ok, thanks again. I will look better :p
[00:10] <Unit193> ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/: No such file or directory  guess not.
[00:12] <brainwash> I don't remember creating it manually
[00:12] <brainwash> some package might have created it at some point
[00:21] <MrTulias> Would I could use a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf that I have of ubuntu?
[00:32] <lecatmure_> today i moved to xubuntu, i'm tired of windows
[00:32] <lecatmure_> linux forever!!!!
[00:32] <knome> lecatmure_, enjoy
[00:32] <MrTulias> \o/
[00:47] <MrTulias> Bye, thanks a lot
[02:54] <rodd> I have a live usb xubuntu but would like to make it persistent, is that possible?
[02:56] <ethermonk> yes
[02:57] <Unit193> !persistent
[02:58] <ethermonk> do you have access to a a bootable system or another live disk?
[02:59] <rodd> thanks, no ethermonk
[02:59] <rodd> my hdd fried
[02:59] <ethermonk> or you can install unetbootin onto the live disk and create a new live disk with persistence
[02:59] <rodd> if i remember when i created this usb, i checked persistent on unetbootin
[02:59] <rodd> but i suppose im missing something in the boot screen
[02:59] <ethermonk> what boot options do you have?
[02:59] <rodd> as it's not persisting
[03:00] <rodd> "try live.." "install" and so on
[03:01] <rodd> let me try something
[03:01] <ethermonk> do you have another blank disk or USB we can use?
[03:05] <ethermonk> what i suggest is to boot a live disk and create a new usb with persistence. partition it so that you have a 2GB FAT16, then the rest to ext2. label the ext2 partition casper-rw, then delete the casper-rw file. fat16 is faster than fat32. all your persistent storage will be on the ext2 partition that m,ust be labeled casper-rw
[03:09] <ethermonk> but if you have 2 USBs, better off just installing xubuntu onto the largest USB
[03:13] <ethermonk> is there documentation on how to install casper onto a live disk from within the running live disk?
[04:43] <aksharpatel> Hi.. I'm using Xubuntu 14.04 right now. Really love it. Is there a way to add ubuntu one indicator to the panel?
[08:59] <Maaz> what is a good program opener for xubuntu that works on all programs?
[09:00] <ethermonk> what are you trying to open (file type)
[09:01] <Maaz> hacking.exe
[09:01] <Maaz> i dunno it's for windows or xubuntu
[09:01] <Maaz> if it is
[09:02] <ethermonk> wine
[09:02] <Maaz> vine
[09:02] <ethermonk> or run windows in virtual machine
[09:02] <Maaz> oke
[09:03] <ethermonk> you can install wine from the software center
[09:03] <Maaz> but my virtual machine gives an error while starting the window in the virtual machine
[09:03] <ethermonk> depending on what VM app you'r running theres a room for that
[09:04] <Maaz> wine windows program loader?
[09:04] <ethermonk> yes
[09:04] <Maaz> oke thanks
[09:06] <Maaz> it looks like a drawing program
[09:18] <Maaz> how can i check what kind of xubuntu i have?
[09:18] <Maaz> where is the information of the computer?
[09:35] <MaazZ> how do i open or start iso files?
[09:36] <baizon> MaazZ: use a iso program or simply the archive manager
[09:36] <MaazZ> oke
[09:36] <baizon> MaazZ: with the archive manager can extract it, win an iso mounter you can mount it on a virtual drive
[09:36] <baizon> the second solution would be a better one imho
[09:41] <Maaz> how can i see my computer information?
[09:41] <Maaz> or what kind of xubuntu i have/
[09:41] <Maaz> ?
[09:43] <bazhang> !version
[09:43] <bazhang> sudo lshw
[09:47] <Maaz> oke thanks
[09:48] <bazhang> np
[09:58] <Maaz> !update
[10:09] <Maaz> test
[10:11] <ethermonk> PASS
[10:11] <Maaz> YES!
[10:17] <gemmaxubuntu> hello everybody
[10:17] <Maaz> hello
[10:17] <Maaz> are u a hacker?
[10:17] <bazhang> !ot | Maaz
[10:18] <gemmaxubuntu> :)
[10:18] <Maaz> !kick Maaz
[10:18] <bazhang> Maaz, stop that
[10:22] <gemmaxubuntu> i have a small problem with harddisk partitions, im new to command line, so its difficult for me to solve it. Gparted cant operate on that disk (says no partition table) but lsblk shows my partitions correctly. I guess the problem is that the firts partition of the disk shows as hidden. I read fdisk manual but it recommends me to use cfdisk. May i only change de hidden atribute to my sdb1 partition with cfdisk or fdisk? Maybe t
[10:28] <gemmaxubuntu> i just tried sudo fdisk /dev/sdb and i get a "Fatal Error: primary partition ends after the end of the disk"
[10:28] <bazhang> why can you not boot with the gparted live cd again?
[10:29] <gemmaxubuntu> is gparted live different thank not live? i dont understand, i dont think in live mode will be any diffence, but if you suggest so....
[10:30] <bazhang> yes, you need live
[10:30] <gemmaxubuntu> ok, im booting live, brb
[10:30] <bazhang> you cannot do it otherwise
[10:31] <gemmaxubuntu> but im parting a second hard drive, not primary wich im booting from
[10:31] <bazhang> so what was the exact error message from gparted, or "disks"
[10:33] <gemmaxubuntu> i have sda well parted, xubuntu installed and working, im trying to solve partition problem on a secondary hard drive, The exact error of gparted is that the disk has no partition table, and shows the whole disk as not partitioned, on clicking new on the "empty" space, the exact error is that i cant create a partition outside of the disk
[10:33] <gemmaxubuntu> nevertheless lsblk shows both partition correctly (i have only two)
[10:34] <gemmaxubuntu> sdb      8:16   0 465,8G  0 disk
[10:34] <gemmaxubuntu> ├─sdb1   8:17   0     8G  0 part
[10:34] <gemmaxubuntu> └─sdb2   8:18   0 457,8G  0 part
[10:34] <gemmaxubuntu> sudo fdisk -l also shows partitions correctly and start and end points correctly to
[10:35] <gemmaxubuntu> Dispositivo Inicio    Comienzo      Fin      Bloques  Id  Sistema
[10:35] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sdb1              63    16787924     8393931   27  WinRE NTFS oculto
[10:35] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sdb2   *    16787925   976784129   479998102+   7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[10:35] <gemmaxubuntu> sorry is in spanish
[10:35] <bazhang> which is a windows system
[10:36] <gemmaxubuntu> the only thing i see as not correct is that at the end of my first (yes windows system) shows as HIDDEN (oculto) may be there the problem
[10:36] <bazhang> where's the xubuntu
[10:36] <gemmaxubuntu> in another disk
[10:36] <gemmaxubuntu> sda
[10:36] <bazhang> please share the output
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> Dispositivo Inicio    Comienzo      Fin      Bloques  Id  Sistema
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sda1            2046    83890175    41944065    5  Extendida
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sda2        83891430    88084394     2096482+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sda3   *    88084395   192956714    52436160    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sda4       192956715   976768064   391905675    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> /dev/sda5            2048    83890175    41944064   83  Linux
[10:37] <knome> !pastebin | gemmaxubuntu
[10:37] <gemmaxubuntu> ups, okey
[10:37] <bazhang> that bell cannot be unrung
[10:38] <bazhang> so you want to resize the windows part
[10:38] <gemmaxubuntu> i would like to solve the problem to learn if posible, if not posible i would like just to part the full disk with a primary ext4 partition to hold my data
[10:39] <bazhang> what problem
[10:39] <bazhang> you wish to resize the windows? yes?
[10:40] <gemmaxubuntu> i wish i can see first my firts 8gb partition and not have the errors in gparted or fdisk that the first partition ends outside of the disk wich is not tru
[10:40] <bazhang> if it's a dual boot, the shared data part would not want to be ext4
[10:40] <gemmaxubuntu> no im not dual booting, this is a disk from other pc, i dont use windows long ago
[10:41] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Pastebin: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda"
[10:41] <bazhang> ok, thats the first mention you have made of that
[10:41] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Pastebin the entire output.
[10:41] <gemmaxubuntu> okeys coming
[10:41] <bazhang> first partition ends outside of the disk
[10:42] <gemmaxubuntu> y guess you mean sdb where i have the problem, sda is working correctly
[10:42] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Yes.
[10:43] <gemmaxubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6902498/
[10:45] <Maaz> my virtual machine does not work:S
[10:45] <bekks> Maaz: It wants more money?
[10:45] <Maaz> virtual box
[10:45] <bekks> Maaz: Then clarify "does not work" please.
[10:45] <Maaz> oke wait
[10:45] <Maaz> let me start it
[10:47] <Maaz> i start virtualbox
[10:47] <gemmaxubuntu> i belive all the problems may reside in the attribute "hidden" (oculto) of my first partition /dev/sdb1
[10:47] <gemmaxubuntu> could that be possible?
[10:47] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: No.
[10:47] <gemmaxubuntu> okeys
[10:48] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Where does what say when, that the first partition is outside of the disk?
[10:48] <gemmaxubuntu> i get that "fatal error" if i try "sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb"
[10:49] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Then pastebin the full output of whatever you do to get the error.
[10:49] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: We cant guess it.
[10:49] <Maaz> and i start virtualmachine and it says FATAL: no bootable medium found! System halted.
[10:49] <bekks> Maaz: Then attach a bootable medium to your VM.
[10:49] <Maaz> how do you do that?
[10:50] <bekks> BY attaching a bootable ISO to the cdrom of your virtual machine, e.g.
[10:50] <gemmaxubuntu> is only one line in spanish, would you like that pastebin line text, print screen, or a translation by my self?
[10:51] <bazhang> one line is fine here
[10:51] <Maaz> and how does that work?
[10:51] <bazhang> vbox?
[10:52] <Maaz> yeah
[10:52] <nlm> hey all, I tried installing awesome wm on my xubuntu installation and am now stuck with an interface somewhere between xfce and awesome,  anyone know how i can reset the xfce interface back to defaults? I've purged awesome from the system but no luck
[10:52] <bazhang> point vbox to the iso
[10:52] <bekks> Maaz: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch01.html#idp51733408
[10:52] <gemmaxubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6902528/
[10:52] <bekks> Read "1.8.1 Starting a new VM for the first time" please
[10:54] <gemmaxubuntu> ohhh i seee
[10:54] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: You see what?
[10:54] <gemmaxubuntu> is the second partition (wich i can access if mounted) that ends out of the disk
[10:54] <gemmaxubuntu> is it?
[10:55] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: cfdisk tells you that.
[10:56] <gemmaxubuntu> yes it is, i can confirm with the first pastebin, i have a total of 976773168 sectors on the disk but second partition ends at 9767-8-4129
[10:56] <gemmaxubuntu> how curios
[10:57] <gemmaxubuntu> so how i solve that?
[10:57] <gemmaxubuntu> is there a way to set the end of the partition or i have to create a new partition table and lose all the data on my disk?
[10:57] <gemmaxubuntu> (data is backed up) just learning, i dont know how could it happend
[10:58] <Maaz> vbox i can't find it
[10:58] <Maaz> bekks
[11:00] <Maaz> bekks do you have virtual box?
[11:01] <bekks> Yes.
[11:02] <bekks> Maaz: Define "vbox i can't find it".
[11:02] <Maaz> virtualbox
[11:02] <gemmaxubuntu> so is it posible to modify the END sector of a partition or the only solution is to create a new partition table?
[11:02] <Maaz> oke tell me your settings..
[11:03] <Maaz> tell me in steps what u do if u start a new machine
[11:04] <bekks> Maaz: No. Tell us whats unclear to your after reading section 1.8.1 of the vbox manual.
[11:05] <bekks> Maaz: The manual describes it in detail.
[11:05] <Maaz> oke
[11:08] <gemmaxubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6902581/
[11:08] <Maaz> i don't have a cd..
[11:08] <bekks> Maaz: You need an ISO file.
[11:08] <Maaz> i have one
[11:09] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Backup all data on thaht disk, and repartition it.
[11:09] <bekks> Maaz: So you dont need a cd. Attach the iso to your vm as described in that article.
[11:09] <gemmaxubuntu> thank you bekks, that what i was going to do, i was just wondering if i could modify that END sector, is that possible?
[11:11] <gemmaxubuntu> im not going to do it, just want to know (to increase my knowledge on partitions) if it would be possible, maybe with sfdisk?
[11:12] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: resize the filesystem, then resize the partition.
[11:14] <Maaz> i started machine i opened the iso file and itś doing nothing
[11:14] <bekks> Maaz: Because thats not described in that article at all. Start reading it please.
[11:15] <starrats> Has anyone tried Xubuntu 14-04 Alpha 1?
[11:15] <bekks> starrats: I bet people already did.
[11:15] <gemmaxubuntu> thank you bekks, i will read some literature on how to do that, nevertheless i backed up and i'll build a new partition table. Thank you all.
[11:16] <starrats> ah okay bekks and good morning to you
[11:16] <Maaz> finally it works
[11:18] <gemmaxubuntu> i should use MS-DOS partition table right?
[11:19] <gemmaxubuntu> and for the partition, just to hold data, ext4 is correct? by default is selected ext2
[11:20] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: If your disk is smaller than 2TB, you can use MSDOS label, if it is bigger than 2TB, you have to use GPT.
[11:21] <gemmaxubuntu> bekks, 500GB so MSDOS, thank you, and for the partition? ext4?
[11:21] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: If you want ext4, use ext4.
[11:23] <gemmaxubuntu> i dont fully understand the differences of file systems, i want the best :) y trust you, what would you use? i want the faster and be able to hold files greater than 2gb (video) and also thousand of small mp3. What would you use on that case (i wont use windows)
[11:24] <bekks> ext4.
[11:24] <gemmaxubuntu> thank you very much
[11:25] <Maaz> how long does it take to install linux?
[11:25] <Maaz> cuz after booting it didn't do anything anymore
[11:26] <bekks> Maaz: For me, it takes 15 minutes usually.
[11:26] <Maaz> oke
[11:26] <Maaz> thanks
[11:26] <Maaz> then 10 minutes to go
[11:26] <bekks> 15 minutes to finish the installation. Not 15 minutes until i finally see something.
[11:26] <Maaz> no i see Linux Minst
[11:26] <bekks> 15 minutes overall. A fes seconds until I see the first installation screen.
[11:26] <Maaz> Mint
[11:27] <bekks> *few
[11:27] <Maaz> but it showed that it was gonna boot
[11:27] <bekks> I never installed mint - it may be fast, it may take ages.
[11:27] <Maaz> and then the linux mint stayed and didn't do anything
[11:27] <bekks> Then ask the mint support whats wrong at that point.
[11:46] <gemmaxubuntu> Hello again. I parted a new added disk with a primary ext4 partition, the problem is that only root has access to it, how can i set permissions on that new partition so everybody has full access?
[11:49] <Maaz> anyone using linux mint ?
[11:50] <starrats> not here, too bloaty
[11:50] <gemmaxubuntu> im in the correct path if i "gksudo thunar" then change permisions to /media/label?
[11:53] <gemmaxubuntu> nevertheless i cant change the owner that way, and all other labels has the owner "username" instead of root, how dificult is to learn linux
[11:53] <bekks> !mint | Maaz
[11:54] <gemmaxubuntu> would i have a problem accessing data in other linux system if the owner is root?
[11:54] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: We dont know, that depends on the other linux system.
[11:55] <gemmaxubuntu> so how i change the ownership of a partition and change permisions correctly? may you send me a link so i can read about?
[11:56] <gemmaxubuntu> as far as i guessed i can change permisions on /media/label running thunar as root, i cant guess further
[11:56] <bekks> sudo chown and sudo chmod
[11:56] <gemmaxubuntu> thank you, reading
[12:04] <uflaig> hello everyone, how can I change the standard text editor?
[12:06] <gemmaxubuntu> mmm, complex permissions system, i like it:)
[12:07] <gemmaxubuntu> so "sudo chown username /media/label" would be my correct option?
[12:11] <gemmaxubuntu> ah no, "sudo chown -R username /media/label" i will try that see what happend
[12:12] <bekks> Dont do it until you know what it does.
[12:13] <bekks> -R will change ownership to you user recursively. It will not change the group, sicne you did not specify that.
[12:13] <gemmaxubuntu> oh good i was still reading
[12:13] <bekks> If you still want to do it, run: sudo chown -R youruser:yourusersgroup /media/label
[12:13] <gemmaxubuntu> thank you
[12:19] <gemmaxubuntu> bekks i really want to learn about xubuntu and linux in general, do you know any good book for begginers (no matter copyrighted, in spain we are allowed to access culture free of charge)  wich i can upload to my book reader and start learning?
[12:20] <bekks> I dont know any good books, since they are already outdated in the moment you buy them.
[12:23] <gemmaxubuntu> oh i see, i just dont have the time not the eyes (old screen) to learn on the computer, i will just get any book to start with, nevertheless im open to suggestions, if anybody can suggest me a couple of books to start learning about linux, linux commands and ubuntu (for begginers) i'll be online for a while. Thank you very much.
[12:25] <gemmaxubuntu> by the way, i changed permisions correctly, but i forgot about the folder lost+found, should i make this folder owner back to root? i guess so
[12:34] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: That folders permissions are adjusted everytime you mount the filesystem.
[13:04] <christoffer> Anyone else have issues with printing in Xubuntu 14.04? ...when trying to print test page to network cups server it starts to print infinite empty pages
[13:04] <christoffer> works just fine with 12.04 LTS virtual machine but haven't been able to test with 14.04 Ubuntu.
[13:06] <gemmaxubuntu> bekks: thank you
[13:12] <brainwash_> !14.04 | christoffer
[13:13] <christoffer> lol sent from #xubuntu-devel to #xubuntu and now it's #ubuntu+1 ...I wonder where I'm allowed to ask.
[13:15]  * starrats can't wait for the new release of xubuntu 14.04LTS
[13:15] <brainwash_> #ubuntu+1 is the correct channel for questions regarding 14.04
[13:19] <brainwash_> and feel free to file a bug report on launchpad, simply run "ubuntu-bug cups"
[13:19] <brainwash_> christoffer: ^
[14:17] <host> hi all
[14:19] <cfhowlett> host, greetings
[14:21] <host> i'm using xubuntu 12.04.4 with xfce4.10. if i'm extending the screen to a monitor, the xfce desktop appears on the second monitor
[14:21] <host> how can i force xfce desktop to use the laptop monitor?
[14:24] <cfhowlett> host, setting display and choose the display you want shown
[15:18] <cubed_root> how difficult is it to use a new destkop environment on top of my xubuntu installation?
[15:18] <cubed_root> for example, cinnamon
[15:19] <Belial`> sudo apt-get install cinnamon
[15:20] <Belial`> log out, pick the cinnamon session at log in
[15:22] <cubed_root> holy crap, really?
[15:22] <cubed_root> wow
[15:22] <cubed_root> can't wait to try it
[15:22] <cubed_root> thanks Belial`
[15:23] <Belial`> np
[15:25] <cubed_root> Belial`: will that come with it's own apps -- like a text editor and system settings app, etc? i was reading the other day that you can have duplicates of these types of apps w/multiple desktops
[15:35] <Belial`> cubed_root, not sure. it depends on what cinnamon pulls in. i haven't installed it so i couldn't tell you.
[16:04] <xwin8xub_needhel> hi. need help with booting xubuntu dual boot win 8 on laptop
[16:06] <Emerling> xwin8xub_needhel, wat model laptop? what is you problem exactly?
[16:08] <xwin8xub_needhel> hp 655
[16:08] <xwin8xub_needhel> i shrunk my c: by 40GB to use for xubuntu, was able to install it - during install xubuntu didnt recognise any other OS so i used that "something else" setting
[16:09] <xwin8xub_needhel> once install is done it just boots into win 8
[16:11] <xwin8xub_needhel> i installed from dvd, i had burned that 800MB~ 64bit iso
[16:11] <xwin8xub_needhel> 13.10
[16:21] <Emerling> xwin8xub_needhel,   i not be sure, but i I think your laptop has restrictions UEFI.
[16:22] <xwin8xub_needhel> should i use this boot-repair utility im reading about
[16:26] <Emerling> you can see next link.. http://www.linlap.com/hp_655   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:02] <sleezio> hello, i'm new to xubuntu, i was wondering if removing zeitgeist will mess up any other functions(dependencies) in the OS?
[17:02] <superprower> Hi all
[17:03] <superprower> Does anybody know how to install nvidia drivers on xubuntu? On debian i was adding smth to repository and used "apt-get install nvidia-glx",  what should i do on xubuntu?
[17:03] <bekks> !nvidia | superprower
[17:03] <elfy> sleezio: not that I'm aware of - I removed it in the last install I did for some reason
[17:04] <sleezio> superprower, you can try: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings && sudo nvidia-xconfig , then reboot
[17:04] <sleezio> elfy, thanks
[17:06] <superprower> sleezio, so, it doesn't matter wich method i used on debia?
[17:06] <bekks> superprower: No.
[17:06] <bekks> superprower: You should follow the ubuntu way being on ubuntu.
[17:08] <superprower> bekks, sorry me, but it sounds really funny XD
[17:08] <superprower> bekks, so, you agree with the method that sleezio said?
[17:08] <bekks> Yes, thats the ubuntu way.
[17:09] <sleezio> superprower, i used that on mint a few months back, worked fine
[17:09] <superprower> bekks, sleezio, ok, finished
[17:09] <superprower> only reboot left
[17:09] <superprower> but one question
[17:09] <superprower> will it increase fps (at least for a bit) in a games?
[17:09] <bekks> Does that matter? :)
[17:10] <superprower> i dunno :)
[17:10] <bekks> So it doesnt matter.
[17:10] <superprower> ok, thx you
[17:10] <Sysi> I thought using software-properties was the ubuntu way
[17:11] <Sysi> though I haven't tried with apt since jockey when it miserably failed
[17:11] <elfy> works now
[17:11] <bekks> It's just a GUI for the terminal-less out there ;)
[17:11] <Sysi> yay progress
[17:12] <superprower> wow, (x)ubuntu boots REALY fast
[17:13] <sleezio> superprower, now select the current nvidia driver
[17:13] <sleezio> ..you'll need to reboot again afterwads
[17:13] <superprower> sleezio, why and when?
[17:13] <superprower> new update coming soon?
[17:16] <sleezio> superprower, if you have inxi installed...type this here in chat: /exec inxi -G
[17:17] <superprower> sleezio, inxi it is the client for irc? No, i'm using default XChat
[17:17] <sleezio> it'll work in xchat
[17:18] <sleezio> inxi is an system information script
[17:29] <sleezio> cool, removed zeitgeist with no probs...i was a bit gunshy, last time i tried to remove zeit(mint MATE) it trashed gnome
[17:29] <superprower> sleezio, he said that "sh: l: inxi: not found"
[17:30] <sleezio> superprower, software center, search for inxi > install
[17:30] <superprower> bekks, sleezio, also, fps has increased, i tested on Portal game in steam
[17:30] <sleezio> have you verified you're using the current nvidia driver?
[17:31] <superprower> i dunno ._.
[17:31] <sleezio> system settings > additional drivers.....
[17:31] <superprower> sleezio, can i do it from bash? bash is awesome :) it's about inxi
[17:32] <sleezio> inxi is a terminal command script, but it works via most irc chats
[17:32] <sleezio> in terminal type inxi -G and it'll tell you your video settings
[17:32] <superprower> inxi -G
[17:32] <sleezio> or you can type /exec inxi -G in chat
[17:32] <superprower> shout
[17:33] <superprower> ok, i get it
[17:33] <superprower> wait, please :)
[17:33] <Sysi> lspci -k | grep nvidia works too
[17:34] <Sysi> or grep for nouveay instead of nvidia to check if the open driver is being used
[17:34] <superprower> glx version 304.88, he said
[17:38] <superprower> sleezio, so?
[17:39] <sleezio> go to system settings > additional drivers....see if you have the most recent nvidia driver(proprietary, tested) driver selected orX-org driver selected
[17:41] <superprower> sleezio, i'am using "Nvidia binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library from nvidia-304(proprietary)"
[17:41] <superprower> smth like that, i'm using russian xubuntu
[17:41] <sleezio> you're good to go then
[17:42] <sleezio> you don't see a 319 version?
[17:43] <sleezio> *this is why inxi comes in handy in help chat
[17:43] <superprower> i see also 319, 319 proprietary-tested, 304-updates and X.Org.X server-bla-bla-bla-npuveau,
[17:44] <superprower> in addition drivers menu
[17:44] <sleezio> select 319, apply changes, reboot
[17:45] <superprower> K
[17:45] <superprower> ok
[17:45] <sleezio> buh bye
[17:45] <superprower> 319 tested or just proprietary?
[17:45] <superprower> wait
[17:45] <superprower> wait maan
[17:45] <superprower> oh. well
[17:46] <longbongolungfis> hey folks. using xubuntu 13.10 over here and the strangest problem started popping up after the last base update; in mousepad, the default plaintext editor, whenever i hit the 'q' key, in any context (whether searching a file or typing) it opens a new tab. the 'q' behaves as normal in all other applications and i'd love to remedy this issue. thanks in advance for any help.
[17:47] <longbongolungfis> it's kind of humorous, but it really detracts from mousepad
[17:48] <holstein> longbongolungfis: i might just test as a different user, to rule out my user config.. the guest user account should do.. then, i might run mousepad from the terminal and look for handy error messages.. otherwise, i just use a different text editor and havent noticed
[17:49] <longbongolungfis> terminals sounds like a great idea. just tried running mousepad with gksudo and the issue disappears. running it without gksudo and the issue remains.
[17:49] <longbongolungfis> terminal*
[17:49] <holstein> longbongolungfis: thats to run it "as root".. you shouldnt do that, i didnt suggest that
[17:50] <holstein> longbongolungfis: though, that does seem to imply that the issue is in your users config.. so, you konw where the issue is.. not with the system, the packages, or the upgrades
[17:51] <longbongolungfis> interesting. where should i be poking around? is there a specific config file that would be responsible for this kind of thing?
[17:51] <holstein> longbongolungfis: you should try a differnt user, other than sudo.. as i suggested, the guest account is an easy way.. or, look for the config for mousepad, and temporarily move it out of the way and test
[17:52] <longbongolungfis> on it.
[17:59] <longbongolungfis> found the culprit! thanks so much. "(gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/MousepadWindow/new" "q")" in mousepad's accels.scm. have no clue how it got there.
[18:00] <holstein> longbongolungfis: cheers!
[18:01] <longbongolungfis> yeah. like keeping mousepad as the default text editor for basic stuff and if i need anything heavier for text processing, i switch on over to gedit. thanks again.
[18:24] <xubuntu491> f
[18:24] <a1fa> whats the minimum ram requirement for xubuntu?
[18:25] <Unit193> How much do you have?
[18:25] <a1fa> 4 x 256Mb = 1Gb
[18:25] <Unit193> That'd do.
[18:25] <Unit193> Couldn't remember if it was 512 or 1G.
[18:26] <Sysi> 512 should work, better to have full gigabyte
[18:26] <a1fa> anybody know of a good theme
[18:26] <a1fa> to make newbs transition from xp to xubuntu?
[18:26] <a1fa> (this is for my mother in law)
[18:27] <Sysi> as long as you have browser and libreoffice launchers on desktop, theme shouldn't matter
[18:27] <Unit193> RedmondXP? :P
[18:27] <Sysi> don't try to make it xp, it's just not the same
[18:28] <a1fa> i know
[18:28] <Unit193> (Kidding.)  Numix isn't bad.
[18:28] <a1fa> so get her libreoffice
[18:28] <a1fa> anything else?
[18:28] <a1fa> i think i got her moved over to chrome
[18:28] <a1fa> long time ago
[18:29] <a1fa> how about pictures, and that kind of stuff?
[18:29] <newxubuntu> hello, im making a clean install of xubuntu, i created for primary partitions, boot, /, swap, /home. im not sure what filesystem should i use in boot for / and /home i will use ext4, what should i use for the /boot partition?
[18:30] <a1fa> ext4
[18:30] <a1fa> why not use guided partitioning?
[18:30] <a1fa> or (entire drive)
[18:30] <Sysi> you don't really need separate /boot partition
[18:30] <a1fa> newxubuntu: you can also install everything into single partition
[18:30] <newxubuntu> thank you, so all partitioning is ext4 right
[18:30] <elfy> newxubuntu: do you have a need for a /boor partition?
[18:30] <newxubuntu> i like this way better
[18:30] <elfy> Sysi: snap :p
[18:30] <newxubuntu> i want to learn very much about xubuntu
[18:31] <a1fa> there is no benefit in running separate partition for boot
[18:31] <newxubuntu> so i will be messing up with the partitions
[18:31] <Random833> I always use a /boot partition because I've been burned before, on a computer that was supposedly too new to have needed it
[18:31] <a1fa> in old days, you had to have separate boot parition
[18:31] <newxubuntu> trying to reinstall grub and all those things
[18:31] <newxubuntu> is for learning purposes
[18:31] <a1fa> ever since 1999, there was no need for separate boot
[18:31] <mnemoc> hi, I upgraded to 14.04 and the mouse pointer in my secondary display (VGA) is deform and followed by a black box... any hint of who can be responsible?
[18:32] <Sysi> if you use encryption you might need separate partition
[18:32] <Sysi> mnemoc: ask #ubuntu+1
[18:32] <Random832> IIRC most people who use encryption only use it on /home
[18:32] <a1fa> ^ that
[18:32] <a1fa> full disk encryption is also located within the boot sector
[18:32] <newxubuntu> thank you though, i will like to learn as much as i can in next months and mess my system very much, i though having different partitions will make me reinstall xubuntu less times
[18:33] <Sysi> not really, separate /home is nice to have though
[18:33] <elfy> mnemoc: pretty sure I saw that bug a while back - have a look through reported bugs at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects
[18:33] <mnemoc> Sysi: elfy: thanks
[18:34] <newxubuntu> thanks everybody
[18:36] <a1fa> whats a good/general image viewer ala windows image viewer?
[18:36] <a1fa> but not shotwell
[18:36] <Sysi> the default one works, ristretto
[18:37] <newxubuntu> one last question, may i encrypt my /home folder post install? or i have to mark the check of encrypting during installation?
[18:38] <a1fa> yes
[18:40] <newxubuntu> ok, installing, thank you :) im so happy to became a linux user :)
[18:40] <a1fa> congratulations
[18:52] <a1fa> chromium or native chrome?
[19:14] <CraHan> Hi, do you need to install anything else besides gtk2-engines-xfce and gtk3-engines-xfce to get those themes working for gtk3 apps? With those packages alone gtk3 apps look weird.
[19:14] <Unit193> Selecting what theme?
[19:15] <CraHan> Any of the Xfce-* themes
[19:15] <Unit193> Thought those were mostly GTK2 only.
[19:15] <CraHan> I see there's a gtk-2.0 and gtk-3.0 folder for each of those themes in /usr/share/themes/Xfce-*/
[19:15] <CraHan> but gtk3 apps still look off
[19:17] <CraHan> The colors seem to change, but widgets like buttons are unthemed
[19:18] <Unit193> IIRC GTK3 didn't handle change as well.
[19:18] <Unit193> Could be wrong.
[19:18] <CraHan> Was just wondering as clearlooks-phenix for example seems to work for both gtk2 and gtk3 apps.
[19:20] <CraHan> Kind of made me wonder why there's a gtk3-engines-xfce package.
[19:25] <lsc> hey guys, it seems my ati graphics card died. Now I want to run xubuntu from my onboard intel graphics card, works fine. but (ofc) xfce it self isn't displayed, I'm only able to use tty1-6. How can I (re)set my graphics driver, so that xfce looks for the graphics card and set up the driver it self.
[19:26] <xubuntu239> hi!, I tried to install xubuntu on my old pc. The installation stopped at this sentence: Unable to find a medium containing a live file system. Does anyone know anything about this?
[19:29] <CraHan> Unit193: found it, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707
[19:30] <CraHan> Looks like gtk version upgrade caused issues some time ago
[19:33] <xubuntu940> Hi new to linux and xubuntu what do recommend i d first after installation to get best out my machine
[19:33] <bekks> xubuntu940: Start the application you want to use?
[19:34] <xubuntu940> looking to use it to learn bash scripting
[19:38] <Somelauw_> Can I use the software centre to download xfce or do i need to download xubuntu? The reason I'm asking is that I heard from other people that when they tried to upgrade to kde their desktop broke.
[19:39] <Somelauw_> Since unity already stopped working, I don't think I got much too lose anyway, but I'm just asking to be sure.
[19:44] <elfy> Somelauw_: you can do it with software centre - install xubuntu-desktop
[19:46] <Somelauw_> also some websites say that xubuntu is actually more bloated than ubuntu with gnome. Is that still the case?
[19:47] <elfy> some websites say windows is the best thing since sliced bread
[19:49] <elfy> though to be honest given a choice between installing the desktop in ubuntu and clean install I'd always go for the clean install
[19:50] <lsc> someone here can help me with xserver configuration? ;)
[19:52] <elfy> lsc: I don't know what at drivers you have installed, but you should be able to login on a tty and remove them - at a pinch, dealing with the xorg conf file might work
[19:53] <lsc> elfy: well I think i just have to chmod / delte something in my homefolder since it's possible to log in as guest into xfce (but I've to kill xserver process before, kinda strange) - I had installed xubuntu's default fglrx drivers
[19:53] <lsc> elfy: sudo apt-get remove fglrx* won't remove anything
[19:54] <elfy> try using tab sudo apt-get remove fglrx<tab> to autocomplete - I've never used ati so don't really know what gets installed
[19:55] <elfy> do you get nothing at all on tty7?
[19:56] <lsc> okay tty7 is black on startup, when i go into tty1-6 and kill the running xserver process a new one starts up with the login screen on tty7 - when login into my main account things are broken again, when i sign in as guest everything is displayed correct so i guess i have to do some workaround in my home folder?
[19:59] <lsc> hm I deleted .Xauthority from my home folder, after restart xserver there is a new one but still broken :/
[19:59] <lsc> i also tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg btw
[20:03] <lsc> also the desktop is starting - I've for example an automatic IRC connection in my DE, I can see connecting to the channel, just the display is black.
[20:04] <elfy> really not sure - hang about and wait for someone else
[20:04] <lsc> okay, thanks for your help anyway ;)
[20:05] <elfy> sorry I couldn't help much :)
[20:06] <lsc> elfy: well it's kinda emberassing to ask you this but maybe you could help me try to google how to reset the graphics driver since i don't have any second computer/notebok/.. lol whatever short reboot
[20:10] <elfy> lsc: try   sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx*
[20:10] <elfy>   sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core
[20:10] <elfy>   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:11] <lsc> tyvm for your effort elfy, I'll try
[20:12] <lsc> hmm I don't have any xorg-driver*, well I'll try the rest
[20:14] <elfy> I really don't much like googling and pasting commands here - especially with ATI ;)
[20:15] <lsc> hehe, as I said ATI is broken, removed it from pc and run now from intel onboard ;) but I understand that
[20:16] <elfy> do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[20:16] <lsc> #hmmmm thinking about a fresh reinstall, already backuped my homefolder. not sure, is
[20:17] <lsc> hmm yes/no .. I've xorg.conf.orginal-0 and -1 (2 monitor setup) .. but they are empty with a comment that says "no xorg.conf existed as this backup was created"
[20:18] <lsc> oooh setting a # before an message won't stop sending it to irc heh.. too much terminal for me today
[20:18] <elfy> nope - no # for you :)
[20:18] <elfy> ok - so you've only got xorg.conf backups then
[20:19] <lsc> well that are *empty* backups, think this wont help much. there have to be a way to get a new xorg.conf I guess
[20:21] <elfy> sudo Xorg -configure I think
[20:24] <lsc> hmm it just throws an exception that the server is already running and I cant stop the server since its restarting when I kill the proc
[20:25] <elfy> lsc: I've no idea I'm afraid - I've never actually had any problem with nvidia - remove card and it just worked ... sorry
[20:27] <lsc> hehe :) well tbh I'm fairly new to linux desktop environments, maybe I'm a douchebag and fucked things up. who knows.. anyway I appreciate your help
[21:27] <Vidar__> hey there
[21:27] <Vidar__> so there's this 12 year old kid on #hacking that got banned from here, what did he do haha
[21:27] <knome> Vidar__, that's not your business.
[21:27] <Vidar__> mmkay
[21:48] <Vidar__> is it really that big of a deal? seems to me like he was just being a little bitch
[21:49] <knome> Vidar__, this is not the right channel to discuss that. and you are not the right person to discuss that.
[21:49] <bazhang> !ot | Vidar__
[21:56] <IdleOne> Vidar__: the *buntu ops have a policy of not discussing bans with 3rd parties.


[02:28] <Ez0v3rR1d3> what is a good # for me to talk bout movie s
[02:28] <Unit193> A good channel?  Could try #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[02:28] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok thanks
[02:29] <Unit193> !alis
[09:44]  * silverlion is looking forward for Lubuntu 13.04. any release date in sight yet?
[10:19] <jared> silverlion: won't it just be the normal release cycle?
[10:19] <jared> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[10:30] <silverlion> jared thx 4 posting. waiting for clean install after collegue of mine has crashed my windows harddrive
[10:32] <jared> silverlion: no worries, I'm not on the mailing list anymore so wasn't sure if there were any announcements contrary but I believe it's still on track
[10:36] <silverlion> jared: as am I ... just using the distro for my work over at #ubuntu-beginners and #fullcirclemagazine
[12:39] <onto1> Hi! Why do audacity/mplayer and a lot of other softwares depend on libav* in lubuntu? I needed a custom-compiled version and when I removed libav* it removed a lot of other softwares :\
[12:40] <onto1> and now when I have installed ffmpeg and libav* from source, I still cannot install audacity without replacing my compiled version with the repository version
[12:45] <melodie> hi
[12:46] <melodie> does someone know if the latest lxpanel in lubuntu raring has the menu which closes normally when you click somewhere else ? I noticed in precise it stays opened until I click again on the menu button : what do you think ?
[12:49] <DukePyrolator> hi, I can't find the option to change the default sound device. what package do I need to install?
[14:21] <melodie> DukePyrolator depending on what you use, alsa or pulseaudio
[14:22] <melodie> does someone know if the latest lxpanel in lubuntu raring has the menu which closes normally when you click somewhere else ? I noticed in precise it stays opened until I click again on the menu button : what do you think ?
[14:25] <zleap> any thoughts on using a different screen shot manager
[15:25] <zleap> hello
[15:48] <holstein> zleap: use what you want.. shouldnt be any problem
[15:48] <holstein> melodie: check #ubuntu+1 for 13.04 raring
[15:50] <holstein> melodie: i would ask in an lxde channel/list.. that is an lxpanel feature AFAIK, and is likely customizable somehow
[15:59] <melodie> holstein this one part is not customizable, but thanks
[15:59] <holstein> melodie: well, everything is open, and ultimately customizable.. but maybe not easily
[16:00] <melodie> holstein this is not a custom feature
[16:00] <melodie> it is customizable if it is a feature but this is not a feature - thanks anyway, i'll check the raring version asap
[16:00] <holstein> melodie: you can use whatever panel/menu you like.. or ultimately customize however you like
[16:01] <melodie> holstein I will then invite you to try : the menu does not close by itself at least in that one version
[16:01] <melodie> going now
[16:02] <holstein> melodie: what do i do? i use kupfer.. and the tint panel.. i dont use a traditional menu
[16:02] <holstein> melodie: that feature doesnt bother me
[16:02] <melodie> neither me but I am building for others who are end users
[16:03] <melodie> check lubuntu versions lxpanel menus ?
[16:03] <melodie> if you want to
[16:03] <holstein> melodie: i know what you are talking about.. i would probably just switch to a menu/panel that fits the needs more "out-of-the-box"
[16:28] <malaphus> Anyone know where lxpanel searches for icons for .desktop shortcuts (from /usr/share/applications)?  I created a new shortcut, Icon= is set to "myicon", and I have the png file in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/myicon.png, but the icon isnt working
[16:36] <melodie> malaphus three places possible
[16:36] <melodie> in /usr/share/icons
[16:36] <malaphus> I also tried using the full path in the desktop shortcut, but that didn't work either
[16:37] <melodie> in /usr/share/pixmaps
[16:37] <melodie> in /home/you/.local/share/icons
[16:37] <malaphus> melodie: there aren't any image files directly in /usr/share/icons, only subdirectories
[16:37] <melodie> and you can also provide the full path to icon in the Icon= line
[16:37] <malaphus> melodie: tried that, didn't work
[16:37] <malaphus> Icon=/usr/share/icons/libreoffice/libreoffice4.0-writer.png
[16:37] <melodie> malaphus you can add a file or a symlink to an icon though
[16:38] <melodie> malaphus possible your menu has not refreshed: logout / login
[16:38] <malaphus> I've been logging out and back in
[16:38] <melodie> if that does not work check of you have the right path
[16:38] <melodie> that you have really put libreoffice under /usr/share/icons
[16:39] <melodie> and that you did not do a typo in the file name
[16:39] <malaphus> it works if I put the file directly in /usr/share/icons
[16:39] <malaphus> but now it's the only icon there, heh
[16:39] <melodie> malaphus you could also try the new qtlauncher on test at linuxvillage forum now
[16:39] <melodie> malaphus only icon there does not matter
[16:40] <melodie> else, look here: http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,234.new.html
[16:41] <malaphus> I do see in the screenshot on that post that they're using .svg files instead of png files with the full path
[16:42] <malaphus> full path to a png file definitely isn't working though
[17:18] <malaphus> I've created a new file, lxde-mytools.directory in /usr/share/desktop-directories, and added a stanza to the /etc/xdg/menus/lxde-applications.menu XML file for my new .directory, but that menu isn't showing up
[17:18] <malaphus> any ideas?
[17:51] <Precise-user> Test
[18:00] <malaphus> Anyone know where the theme or other settings resides for the lxde logout panel?
[18:01] <malaphus> (the window with Shutdown, Restart, Suspend, etc)
[18:59] <cerebrate> :X
[18:59] <cerebrate> 8X
[18:59] <cerebrate> :V phew
[21:30] <john123> hi all, just installed lununtu successfully, but I do not seem to have any desktop icons, and cannot send anything to the desktop.
[21:34] <john123> The error message states 'the specified location is not supported'
[23:48] <malaphus> Anyone know what config I would need to edit to change the logout action?
[23:48] <malaphus> (from the main menu)
[23:49] <Unit193> You mean /usr/bin/lubuntu-logout ?
[23:51] <malaphus> well, I guess I could change that one, but currently there are two ways to log out via the GUI it seems, a little power button on the bottom rigth corner in the panel, and a "Logout" action from the menu
[23:51] <malaphus> I don't mind the power button in the panel giving the window with the different options, but I'd prefer if the logout action from the main menu do something different
[23:52] <malaphus> such as just prompt the user "Are you sure?" via zenity or something, then immediately log them out
[23:52] <Unit193> /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/config and /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/panels/panel then.
[23:52] <malaphus> so I'd like to leave the power button as it is, and just point the main menu action to my own bash script or something, then figure out how to logout immediately
[23:52] <Unit193> (Or, it is configured in there.)
[23:53] <malaphus> alright, I'll look around in there, do you know what lxsession-logout (which lubuntu-logout calls) actually does when the user clicks the logout button?  I'd want to replicate that in my own script
[23:54] <malaphus> Not sure if I should just killall lxsession
[23:54] <malaphus> or if there is a more graceful way
[23:56] <Unit193> Hmmm....  Lets see.
[23:56] <malaphus> its compiled, so hard to tell quickly, I can go find the source if you don't already know, no biggie
[23:57] <Unit193> Heh, this one I don't happen to know offhand. :P
[23:57] <malaphus> You were on a roll too, ah well :)_
[23:59] <malaphus> these machines are all shared, so I just know if I keep the default lxsession-logout, people will be randomly shutting down the boxes instead of logging out, since Shutdown is the default option, heh


[09:08] <starnix> I have messed up my fonts on system. please anyone tell me, how to setup the default set of fonts on gnome 3.8
[09:11] <darkxst> starnix, use dconf-editor to reset the relevant keys
[09:15] <starnix> darkxst: where in dconf-editor?
[09:16] <darkxst> there are lots of fonts keys
[09:16] <darkxst> just search for "fonts"
[09:17] <darkxst> you didnt say what fonts you messed up, but the main ones will likely be in org.gnome.desktop.interface
[11:34] <mgedmin> gnome-tweak-tool is perhaps a nicer way to change fonts
[19:17] <smallfoot-> The GNOME Terminal version in Ubuntu is horribly old
[19:18] <smallfoot-> its version 3.6.1!
[19:18] <smallfoot-> Can you please upgrade it to 3.8, 3.10, or 3.11+?
[19:18] <smallfoot-> I am using 14.04 Trusty Tahr
[19:22] <Noskcaj> smallfoot-, Issues with ubuntu, it will be fixed eventually
[19:40] <smallfoot-> I see
[19:40] <smallfoot-> GNOME Terminal have issues with Ubuntu?
[19:40] <Noskcaj> Just that we have a pretty big diff and i think ubuntu has an issue with updating it
[19:52] <smallfoot-> oh, I see :(
[19:53] <smallfoot-> now its gotten very outdated tho
[19:53] <smallfoot-> Why do they need to patch it? can't they just use unpatched upsteam gnome-terminal without changes?
[19:54] <Noskcaj> It breaks certain things, i'm not really sure
[19:54] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Where you going to merge terminal?
[19:56] <smallfoot-> I see :(
[19:56] <smallfoot-> Also, I noticed 14.04 trusty have outdated Chromium and Firefox
[19:56] <smallfoot-> even 13.10 saucy have newer versions of Chromium and Firefox
[20:00] <Noskcaj> firefox has a build failure
[20:02] <smallfoot-> oh :(
[20:16] <darkxst> Noskcaj, there is still the vte sourcing issue for gnome-terminal
[20:17] <darkxst> Bug 1132700
[20:17] <Noskcaj> oh
[20:48] <smallfoot-> I subscribed to that bug report
[20:48] <smallfoot-> I hope it gets fixed soon
[20:48] <smallfoot-> being stuck with 3.6.1 sucks :S
[21:34] <smallfoot-> Can gnome-session-flashback be updated?
[21:34] <smallfoot-> its still 3.8
[21:36] <smallfoot-> gnome-applets still at 3.5.92 :(
[21:38] <darkxst> smallfoot-, we don't maintain the flashback stuff
[21:38] <darkxst> however I don't think there is any release beyond 3.8
[21:39] <darkxst> smallfoot-, probably better to try  the edubuntu guys for gnome-flashback questions
[21:41] <smallfoot-> I see, thanks
[21:42] <smallfoot-> flashback is awesome


[13:35] <mvo> tseliot: hey! do you want me to sponsor nvidia-common (from your bzr branch)?
[13:41] <tseliot> mvo: thanks for your offer. I haven't tested it yet though. Give me a few minutes to see if nvidia-detector does what it's supposed to do
[13:50] <mvo> tseliot: thanks, much appreciated
[13:58] <tseliot> mvo: ok, it seems to work well
[13:58] <tseliot> I installed driver 177 and now nvidia-detector says:
[13:58] <tseliot> nvidia-glx-180
[13:59] <tseliot> and having nvidia-177-modaliases installed won't confuse nvidia-common
[13:59] <tseliot> mvo: I think you can upload it now. Furthermore you can remove driver 96 from the blacklist
[14:00] <tseliot> since it works with Jaunty's xserver now
[14:00] <tseliot> therefore you won't have to set the driver to "nv" any longer for 96 during a dist-upgrade
[14:06] <tseliot> mvo: let me repeat what I wrote
[14:06] <tseliot> mvo: I think you can upload it now. Furthermore you can remove driver 96 from the blacklist
[14:06] <tseliot> (03:00:21 PM) tseliot: since it works with Jaunty's xserver now
[14:06] <tseliot> (03:00:49 PM) tseliot: therefore you won't have to set the driver to "nv" any longer for 96 during a dist-upgrade
[14:06] <mvo> tseliot: ok, thanks
[14:07]  * tseliot restarts X
[19:39] <maco> hey, i'm trying to do the UXA testing for Intel graphics, but I don't really understand the wiki directions...mostly because I don't *have* a Device section, so I don't know what all's supposed to go in there besides Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[19:39] <maco> on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[19:43] <maco> and if i try to have an empty (but for that option) section like on the wiki page, it tells me error parsing config file
[19:46] <maxb> maco: odd that you don't have a Device section.... do you have anything at all there?
[19:46] <tjaalton> it needs an Identifier
[19:46] <maco> there was nothing at all
[19:47] <maco> until i added DontZap
[19:47] <maco> so now there's ServerFlags with DontZap disabled
[19:47] <tjaalton> the default installation has a minimal xorg.conf
[19:47] <maco> in installed intrepid and upgraded to jaunty. as far as i know, the xorg.conf was always a 0-byte file
[19:48] <tjaalton> dexconf -o foo
[19:48] <tjaalton> will create one for you
[19:49] <maco> foo? literally foo?
[19:49] <tjaalton> no
[19:49] <tjaalton> 'xorg.conf' if you like
[19:49] <maco> oh
[19:50] <maco> the comments probably should stop recommending dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg since that's been useless since gutsy
[19:50] <tjaalton> probably so
[19:51] <maco> ok ill try restarting X now then
[19:51] <maco> thank you
[19:52] <tjaalton> np
[20:04] <maco_> thanks again. uxa is definitely an improvement on here
[20:04] <tjaalton> cool
[20:05] <tjaalton> what chip do you have?
[20:05] <tjaalton> ah, same as here
[20:06] <tjaalton> compiz seems to trigger the crash on resume
[20:21] <andersk> Anyone else have their logins freeze with compiz spinning after the xorg <IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu2 (and ubuntu3) upgrade?
[22:04]  * maxb raises hand
[22:05] <maxb> Well, I have a hanging login
[22:05] <maxb> Just started debugging now
[22:17] <maxb> andersk: I confirm. Have you filed a bug yet.