[01:59] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11076 for anyone wanting a simple PR to review
[02:01] <kelvinliu> thumper: lgtm ty
[02:02] <thumper> kelvinliu: thanks
[02:08] <kelvinliu> np
[02:47] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i've updated https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11071 with the correct fix, just re-testing now
[02:47] <wallyworld> would be awesome if you could take another look
[02:53] <wallyworld> tlm: for QA steps, you should also run juju controller-config to check the value and also test updating it
[03:02] <tlm> wallyworld: ta, just found a bug with it as well. Will update all in a sec
[03:02] <wallyworld> ok
[03:05] <thumper> wallyworld: package move https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11077
[03:05] <wallyworld> ok
[03:13] <wallyworld> thumper: can't see any issues
[03:13] <thumper> wallyworld: I'm running the tests locally as well to ensure everything builds and passes
[03:14] <wallyworld> sgtm
[03:17] <tlm> wallyworld: all updated
[03:17] <wallyworld> righto
[03:25] <wallyworld> tlm: i've left a couple of things to look at, let me know if anything is unclear
[03:26] <tlm> cheers
[03:33] <tlm> wallyworld: sent you a private message just in case notifications are still off
[03:50] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok looking
[03:50] <wallyworld> ta
[03:57] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i have a trivial forward port of 2.7 into develp https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11078
[03:58] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: lgtm ty
[03:58] <wallyworld> ta
[03:59] <wallyworld> tlm: also forgot to mention sorry, the controller name PR should be targetted against develop not 2.7
[04:01] <tlm> np will shift it around
[04:04] <thumper> wallyworld: have we fixed the bootstrap / upgrade issue that we were hitting with the build number?
[04:05] <wallyworld> thumper: that's the PR that babbageclunk is looking at currently
[04:05] <thumper> sweet
[09:15] <stickupkid> getting nothing past hml, yesterday - haha
[10:09] <zeestrat> Any news on a new libjuju release?
[10:10] <stickupkid> zeestrat, doing it now
[10:10] <stickupkid> :D
[10:10] <zeestrat> Yay :D
[10:11] <stickupkid> zeestrat, just catching up on what the changes are
[11:01] <stickupkid> manadart, you around?
[11:01] <manadart> stickupkid: Yep.
[11:01] <stickupkid> quick ho?
[11:01] <manadart> Sure.
[11:05] <stickupkid> manadart, CR please https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/378
[11:19] <stickupkid> zeestrat, hopefully we can verify that everything is fine so that 2.7.0 can go out https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/378
[11:20] <stickupkid> zeestrat, I ran against this, but manage to mitigate this issue luckily https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/issues/377
[11:40] <stickupkid> manadart, when you get time https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11067
[11:40] <manadart> stickupkid: Yep.
[12:34] <manadart> stickupkid: Got a sec to HO?
[12:55] <nammn_de> anyone  quick cr? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11079
[12:55] <manadart> nammn_de: Done.
[12:56] <nammn_de> manadart: thankso!
[13:25] <stickupkid> manadart, i'm in daily
[13:26] <stickupkid> watching you eat
[14:26] <roadmr> hey folks, how do I get a leaderless applicatin to get a leader?
[14:27] <roadmr> [INFO] canonical-livepatch does not have a leader <- appears repeatedly and juju status indeed shows no unit for that application with the nice asterisk *
[14:35] <rick_h> roadmr:  hmmm, can you check the logs to see if there's a reason no one's winning leadership?
[14:35] <rick_h> roadmr:  the cases we've seen with this in the past has been more leader stomping where it's taken more than the time allotted for the leader hook to run and someone else tries to get it and the first one gives up
[14:47] <stickupkid> zeestrat: 2.7.0 is released https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/pylibjuju-2-7-0-release-notes/2489
[14:48] <stickupkid> zeestrat, we had to bump the facades to 2.7.0, which was a bit of a pain, but now it's done the release went smoothly :D
[14:48] <stickupkid> let us/me know if you hit any issues
[14:48] <rick_h> gnuoy:  ^
[14:48] <rick_h> thedac:  ^ /me can't recall who wanted it
[14:48] <gnuoy> rick_h, me ! it was me !
[14:48] <gnuoy> thanks
[14:50] <zeestrat> stickupkid: ty very much! We'll let you know :)
[15:32] <thedac> rick_h: stickupkid: thanks, I'll spread that knowledge to my team.
[15:40] <cmars> roadmr: wondering if https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1853055 is related to your issue
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1853055: "ERROR could not determine leader" but `juju status`  says there is a leader <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853055>
[15:40] <cmars> although your status shows a leader?
[15:41] <cmars> one thing i've had to do to work around that, is scrape the json status for the unit that shows "leader" and address that unit specifically
[15:41] <cmars> maybe see what juju status --format yaml (or json) shows
[15:43] <roadmr> cmars: no, we see no leader :(
[15:43] <roadmr> rick_h: 2020-01-07 15:28:36 INFO juju.worker.leadership tracker.go:217 canonical-livepatch leadership for canonical-livepatch/2 denied (no further explanation as to why)
[15:44] <cmars> anarchy!
[15:45] <roadmr> cmars: exactly what I said :)
[15:46] <roadmr> on some units I see "2020-01-06 14:28:25 DEBUG juju.worker.leadership tracker.go:125 canonical-livepatch/1827 making initial claim for canonical-livepatch leadership" right before the above
[15:48] <stickupkid> hml, I've updated https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11072
[15:54] <hml> stickupkid: approved
[15:54] <stickupkid> ta
[16:02] <nammn_de> achilleasa: quick cr? https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/158
[16:02] <achilleasa> nammn_de: looking
[16:35] <nammn_de> rick_h: i have made the patch as small as possible. This now should mostly enhance bash completion ux https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11032/
[16:36] <rick_h> nammn_de:  k, let's try it
[16:36] <rick_h> roadmr:  can you file a bug please?
[16:41] <nammn_de> rick_h: thanks! something special needed to put that into  edge beside just merging it? I did  quite a lot of local testing and I don;t see any reason why this should make it worse... :D
[16:41] <rick_h> nammn_de:  no, just land it in develop and it'll go into edge when our builds get back happy
[16:41] <rick_h> nammn_de:  and just keep an eye out for any issues
[16:54] <achilleasa> nammn_de: can I get a quick CR on https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/301?
[16:59] <nammn_de> rick_h:  will do!
[17:21] <achilleasa> nammn_de: or stickupkid can someone take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11080?
[17:36] <nammn_de> achilleasa: approved
[17:51] <stickupkid> hml, there is fallout from my PR around handling outputs correctly, i.e. we put the empty value in stderr and not stdout, can you review my PR https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/75
[17:52] <stickupkid> achilleasa, or can you look into it (see above)
[17:53] <achilleasa> stickupkid: looking
[17:56] <achilleasa> stickupkid: done
[18:09] <verterok> rick_h: Hi! regarding roadmr leaderless issue, we have https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cp8tbkgHkv/ in the logs
[18:09] <verterok> cmars: ^
[18:09] <verterok> even after adding a new unit
[18:10] <verterok> that logs is from a fresh unit
[18:10] <rick_h> verterok:  do you know if you're using legacy leases or raft leases?
[18:10] <verterok> rick_h: this is a IS managed controller, the main one...let me check
[18:11] <rick_h> verterok:  I'm not seeing "leadership for" in the current code so getting a bug with juju version, where it's at (prodstack I thought moved off leagacy leases but axino can correct me), and model version details would be good please
[18:11] <rick_h> verterok:  I'm a bit distracted atm but if we can get the details pulled together I can ask someone to investigate
[18:12] <verterok> rick_h: 2.6.10 in client and model
[18:12] <rick_h> verterok:  ok, good to know. on prodstack 4.5 you're saying?
[18:12] <verterok> yup
[18:13] <axino> features                 []
[18:13] <axino> no legacy leases !
[18:13] <verterok> axino: thx
[18:13] <rick_h> axino:  ok cool ty for the confirmation there
[19:22] <hml> stickupkid: back, reviewing now.
[19:22] <hml> stickupkid: or not.  :-)
[20:26] <verterok> roadmr, cmars, rick_h: this looks pretty similar to what we are seeing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1656275
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1656275: unit leadership gets confused <leadership> <logging> <model-migration> <juju:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1656275>
[20:27] <verterok> but in a version that should have that fix...which points to a regression of some kind
[20:27] <roadmr> 😱
[20:27] <_thumper_> verterok: I know that there was additional work later on that
[20:28] <_thumper_> but I would have thought that it would be in 2.6.10
[20:30] <verterok> thumper: right, we are seeing a similar symptom: leadership claim -> denied
[20:30] <verterok> only difference I can guess is that in our case is a subordinate...in case that makes any difference
[20:30] <thumper> verterok: I am wondering about whether this could be scale and timeout related...
[20:32] <roadmr> 🦎  <- lots of scales here
[20:32] <thumper> I just see 🦎
[20:32] <thumper> that is a rectangle...
[20:33] <verterok> heh
[20:33] <roadmr> thumper: haha you copy-pasted the rectangle and I see exactly what I posted :)
[20:33] <verterok> thumper: the model itself is nothing crazy, 18 machines with same number of canonical-livepatch subordinates
[20:33] <thumper> verterok: but this is on the shared ps4.5 controller?
[20:34] <verterok> thumper: yup
[20:34] <thumper> that has scale
[20:34] <verterok> indeed
[20:34] <roadmr> only two things to mention: this env has been up for a loong time and it sees a lot of churn (applications being created/removed very frequently)
[20:34] <roadmr> since we add a new application on every new code version rollout
[20:34] <roadmr> that tends to make juju unhappy
[20:34] <verterok> thumper: anything we could do to recover? is there any way to force a leader?
[20:35] <verterok> this is blocking rollouts to staging, as we use mojo and it doesn't like to have applications without a leader :)
[20:35] <thumper> verterok: it looks like raft thinkgs there is probably a leader, but mongo doesn't
[20:36] <thumper> verterok: we need to work out who raft thinks is the leader
[20:36] <thumper> you can probably do that with juju run over the app with 'is-leader'
[20:36] <thumper> then shut down that unit for a minute to force expiration
[20:36] <verterok> thumper: all return false
[20:36] <thumper> ah...
[20:36] <thumper> wat?
[20:37] <roadmr> verterok: did you file the bug already?
[20:37] <roadmr> verterok: please please make the bug title "ANARCHY!!!!!!"
[20:37] <verterok> thumper: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RwbDQFyYf3/
[20:37] <thumper> babbageclunk: thoughts ? ^^^
[20:37] <verterok> roadmr: didn't file one as I found 1656275
[20:38] <roadmr> ahh... bummer :(
[20:38] <thumper> verterok: please file a new one
[20:38] <verterok> thumper: will do
[20:38] <thumper> verterok: it is probably a different issue
[20:40] <roadmr> it is anarchy!!! hahah
[20:40] <verterok> roadmr: can let you the honors
[20:41] <verterok> *do
[20:41]  * roadmr won't pass up the chance to file a silly bug
[20:46] <roadmr> verterok: hm - we tried restarting juju agents for that application but not the machine-X agents, think it might help?
[20:46] <verterok> roadmr: I can restart all agents
[20:47] <babbageclunk> thumper: missed this - reading back
[20:48] <roadmr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1858693 has a summary
[20:48] <mup> Bug #1858693: ANARCHY!!!!!!! Entirely leaderless application spotted in the wild <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1858693>
[20:53] <verterok> roadmr: all machine agents restarted, no changes
[20:54] <babbageclunk> verterok: if you deploy a new application, does the new unit become the leader?
[20:55] <verterok> babbageclunk: a new application or add-unit?
[20:56] <babbageclunk> verterok: trying to determine whether all of leadership is broken, or whether there's some kind of pinning happening for that application specifically
[20:56] <babbageclunk> new application (can be an existing charm but with a new name)
[20:56] <verterok> babbageclunk: leadership for other applications seems to be fine
[20:57] <babbageclunk> do you mean, you can see leaders for other applications? Or you've seen leadership change for other applications when the problem has been happening?
[20:57] <babbageclunk> because the former might not indicate it's fine
[20:57] <babbageclunk> it might just be stuck in a non-visible way
[20:57] <verterok> babbageclunk: let me try deploying a trivial ubuntu unit, would that be enough?
[20:57] <babbageclunk> yup
[20:58] <babbageclunk> thanks
[20:58] <verterok> running: juju deploy cs:ubuntu -n 2
[21:01] <verterok> babbageclunk: I get the leadership * as expected in juju status
[21:01] <verterok> babbageclunk: and juju run --aplication ubuntu is-leader return True and False as expected
[21:02] <babbageclunk> verterok: ok - so it sounds like the canonical-livepatch application has leadership pinned?
[21:02] <babbageclunk> Was there an upgrade-series done at some point?
[21:03] <verterok> babbageclunk: no upgrade-series AFAIK, the env is old but always in xenial
[21:04] <babbageclunk> verterok: oh, another useful thing might be to remove the leader unit of the new ubuntu and make sure that the other one eventually claims leadership
[21:04] <babbageclunk> hmm, that's the only thing that would do a pin that I know of
[21:04] <verterok> babbageclunk: we do remove units and deploy new ones on each new code revision
[21:05] <verterok> babbageclunk: which also means killing and spawning new suboardinates (which includes canonical-livepatch)
[21:05] <roadmr> verterok: 18 units in all, you said? each add/remove has a 20% or so chance of removing the current leader
[21:05] <babbageclunk> right - which would explain why the leader went away? But not why there's not a new one
[21:05] <roadmr> (we add 4 units, then remove the 4 old ones)
[21:05] <verterok> roadmr: right, 18
[21:06] <babbageclunk> It might be that the raft time isn't being updated, so it's not expiring the old one.
[21:06] <roadmr> well if elections happened every 3 weeks eventually you'd also want there to not be a leader, right?
[21:06] <roadmr> (j/k not helping haha)
[21:07] <babbageclunk> if you kill the leader of the new ubuntu, does leadership switch to the other unit?
[21:07] <babbageclunk> verterok: ^
[21:07] <verterok> checking
[21:08] <verterok> gimme 2'...because I need to deploy them again (killed them too soon :P)
[21:08] <babbageclunk> ha doh
[21:08] <roadmr> babbageclunk: where can I check the controller logs? (I assume it's you who asked for those)
[21:08] <babbageclunk> yeah, that's me
[21:08] <verterok> roadmr: IS can
[21:08] <roadmr> ah ok
[21:09] <verterok> babbageclunk: how long could it take to elect a new leader?
[21:10] <verterok> ok, after a brief moment of panic, it worked
[21:10] <babbageclunk> should happen in a minute or less
[21:11] <verterok> babbageclunk: /4 was leader, and after remove-unit the * is now in /3
[21:11] <babbageclunk> huh.
[21:12] <babbageclunk> it's a pain but I'm kind of tempted to suggest you remove and re-add canonical-livepatch.
[21:13] <verterok> babbageclunk: that was our plan if we needed to unblock deploys
[21:13] <roadmr> is that a non-suggestion suggestion? :)
[21:14] <babbageclunk> I mean, it's the tactical nuclear fallback suggestion ;)
[21:14] <roadmr> if there's nothing else to be gleaned from the current live environment, we might as well
[21:14] <roadmr> we need to wait for controller logs anyway,if that's where more clues might be
[21:15] <babbageclunk> Well, I could definitely do with the logs
[21:15] <babbageclunk> as long as you're ok with waiting
[21:17] <roadmr> filing the RT
[21:18] <babbageclunk> but I'm not sure how it could get into this state without the application being pinned.
[21:21] <roadmr> babbageclunk: do you have a sec to drop by #is in case Alexandre needs more specifics on what to dig for in the logs?
[21:21] <babbageclunk> sure
[21:21] <roadmr> (I can triangulate if needed but might be more efficient if you're there)
[21:29] <verterok> thanks for the help babbageclunk
[21:29]  * verterok EODs
[22:10] <kelvinliu> hi cory_fu: the current 2.7 edge `2.7.1+2.7-ec91b32` should be working fine for CaaS cmr now.
[22:10] <cory_fu> kelvinliu: Great, thanks
[22:10] <cory_fu> I'll give it a try
[22:10] <kelvinliu> cory_fu: ty,
[22:19] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i just saw the bug - if you remove a unit that is leader, juju does not immediately elect a new leader, the current lease needs to time out. this is a known issue / works as designed.  there are bugs like bug 1469731 raised back in 1.23 days
[22:19] <mup> Bug #1469731: Leadership must be dropped before removing lead unit <canonical-is> <charm> <charmers> <leadership> <teardown> <juju:Triaged> <postgresql (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469731>
[22:20] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, but in this case it's been ages
[22:20] <wallyworld> ah, ok, longer than the lease timeout
[22:22] <roadmr> 👴  ages :)
[22:22] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yup as in hours
[22:22] <wallyworld> :-(
[22:22] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: but other applications seem to be ok - leadership changes fine
[22:23] <wallyworld> i guess we'll need the raft logs, engine reports etc
[22:26] <babbageclunk> yeah, although none of that really helps if leases seem to be changing ok for other applications


[06:10] <HymnToLife> close the file (don't forget to save the changes) and run sudo apt-get update
[06:10] <leafw> is anyone using koffice 1.4? Is the chart working for spreadsheets?
[06:10] <EnglishStan> hold on, i'm a bit behind lol
[06:10] <leafw> can anyone test that it works?
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> cycus_zwisus: that all depends on what you want to do. What you consider stable - and what apps you need to be stable.
[06:12] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: http://membres.lycos.fr/mafiaboy03/sources.list is not known on line 1
[06:12] <HymnToLife> ?
[06:12] <raveneye> cycus_zwisus the most stable and reliable is without any doubt Debian Stable (Sarge)
[06:12] <HymnToLife> what d'you mean ?
[06:13] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_zwisus: Gentoo isn't that hard.. You just have to read the documentation and if you think you can't remember exactly how to install it then write notes or print it. In the Live CD you can actually use the graphical installer which is quite easier. Gentoo allows top-line customization of packages, since they're all built from sources. It's also got a large thriving community. I've liked what I've used from it and am considering going to i
[06:13] <EnglishStan> thats ehat i got when running the sudo apt-get update
[06:13] <HymnToLife> it works like a charm for me
[06:14] <raveneye> Drawbacks of Debian Stable are that the sofware outdates pretty fast. Since they dont have a fixed release cycle
[06:14] <HymnToLife> I think you made a mistake while copy/pasting
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> it's outdated when you install it. But stable - yes
[06:14] <EnglishStan> i think i got the membres mixed, i didn't copy and paste you see, i spelt it members lol, i'll retry lol
[06:14] <Tom_Kidd> Also: Gentoo has a largely updated automated portage system where you'll find tons of applications and many versions of them
[06:14] <frank23> cycus_zwisus: Tom_Kidd yeah but if you want to learn linux in "general" gentoo is pretty unique, I don't think many other distros use portage
[06:14] <cycus_zwisus> Tom_Kidd, i'm afraid i'm not experienced enough yet to use gentoo
[06:14] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> lol
[06:14] <maenty> HymnToLife: pm
[06:15] <HymnToLife> I got no pm...
[06:15] <bmw> Hi!  Question: Trying to get nettools-status-applet to work uinder Kubuntu.  Can't seem to get it to work.  THoughts?
[06:15] <Tom_Kidd> frank23: If he wants to learn Linux in general, he needs to work on a LFS.. Otherwise there is no choice but learning specific distros..
[06:15] <_epo> Hm, Antiquitus ...  I gave it a shot and gave up after a succesfull base install.... the compiling makes it nervewrecking...
[06:16] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: still got same message :(
[06:16] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:16] <cycus_zwisus> ok, thanks, i think i'll try debian sarge
[06:16] <_epo> When I go into the GUI display I only have the option between 1024, 800 and 640, the refresh rate is defaulf "0"
[06:16] <HymnToLife> save the sources.list file to your /home
[06:16] <HymnToLife> (use Ctrl+S, save the file to /Home/user)
[06:16] <Tom_Kidd> Sadly my computer is hating the new Gentoo iso, isolinux plugs me with an error every time so I'm working on that
[06:17] <cycus_zwisus> ubuntu is debian-based so maybe it won't be that hard to learn debian
[06:17] <HymnToLife> maenty> did you register your nick ?
[06:17] <_epo> Is there another way to change the available modes than to do "kdpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" all the time?
[06:17] <HymnToLife> PMs won't work if you didn't
[06:17] <maenty> HymnToLife: oh.. right
[06:17] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_zwisus: Good idea, Debian is probably a little harder and it's the preprocessor to MANY OS.
[06:17] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: home folder: /root/ <--- ????
[06:17] <HymnToLife> no
[06:17] <frank23> cycus_zwisus: debian stable is fine if you need STABLE but with kubuntu you would have more recent software and still learn how to use a deb based distro
[06:17] <HymnToLife> /home/user
[06:17] <maenty> I'll try to find how to register
[06:17] <Tom_Kidd> You'd probably learn more off of Debian, but it's essentially alot of the same.
[06:18] <HymnToLife> maenty> /msg nickserv register password
[06:18] <cycus_zwisus> i don't really need recent sodtware
[06:18] <_admin> join #kawanua
[06:18] <cycus_zwisus> software*
[06:18] <EnglishStan> type /nickserv register <email> <password>
[06:18] <EnglishStan> or something like that
[06:19] <Epo^^> No thoughts? I want my Kubuntu in 1280 (I have Widescreen)
[06:19] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> did you save the file to your /home ?
[06:20] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:20] <EnglishStan> yeah, still the same, something about not know in line 1 on source list
[06:20] <HymnToLife> tell me, you didn't paste the URL into your sources.list did you ?
[06:20] <EnglishStan> yeah lol
[06:20] <cycus_zwisus> ok, have a nice evening
[06:20] <HymnToLife> well
[06:20] <HymnToLife> you ned to paste the content s of the file :D
[06:20] <HymnToLife> open it in your web browser ;)
[06:20] <cycus_zwisus> bye
[06:20] <EnglishStan> hahahaha..
[06:21] <EnglishStan> i'll learn, ok, gonna get the list
[06:21] <HymnToLife> haha, no problem :)
[06:21] <bmw> Anyone got an idea of how to get nettools-status-applet to work?
[06:23] <raveneye> time to eat... later
[06:25] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: seems to be working :D.... i love you lol
[06:25] <EnglishStan> just unpacking :D
[06:25] <HymnToLife> haha you're welcome
[06:25] <HymnToLife> then you can run sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:26] <EnglishStan> so to basically to install stuff, just follw that procedure.... ???
[06:26] <HymnToLife> no
[06:26] <EnglishStan> :(
[06:26] <EnglishStan> :P
[06:26] <HymnToLife> just type the sudo apt-ge installyou don't need to mss with the sources.list anymore
[06:26] <EnglishStan> thats what i meant lol
[06:26] <HymnToLife> ok :)
[06:27] <HymnToLife> hmm you're running KDE right ?
[06:27] <HymnToLife> did you upgrade to 3.5.1
[06:27] <HymnToLife> ?
[06:28] <EnglishStan> i got an error again, i'll use my ubuntu irc, this is a pain in the arse moving from 1 comp to another, lol, brb
[06:30] <EngStan> hello, it's me again lol
[06:30] <EngStan> how do you cut and paste from the terminal window?
[06:31] <Apocs> Hi
[06:32] <EngStan> it says it's installed... do i need to reboot or something??
[06:32] <HymnToLife> nope
[06:32] <HymnToLife> just run vlc
[06:32] <Apocs> Isn't it possible to run a FTP server on Kubuntu 5.10?
[06:32] <EngStan> ah, i see it on the list
[06:33] <HymnToLife> Apocs> of course it is
[06:33] <EngStan> wicked, it worked, that was hard work, it just goes to show how lazy us windows users are lmao
[06:33] <Apocs> hmm, i've installed pure-ftpd but i cant start it :s
[06:34] <Apocs> made a quick boot (CTRL+ALT+Backspace)
[06:34] <HymnToLife> that's not a rebootit just kills X
[06:34] <EngStan> ok, how do i make desktop icons? it looks a bit bare
[06:34] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:35] <Apocs> but it still won't start
[06:35] <HymnToLife> just drag and drop the VLC menu ico to your desktop I think
[06:36] <EngStan> excellent, now how to i add recycle bin to my desktop??? :P
[06:36] <Apocs> trying a hard reboot, brb
[06:36] <HymnToLife> hmm I don't know
[06:37] <HymnToLife> I never use my desktop anyway, it's always emptyI have everything on panels
[06:37] <EngStan> ok, cool.... i just wanted to make it a bit like window until i get used to it
[06:39] <EngStan> thanks  for your help.... i'm  getting in the bath, i am going out on the piss tonight :D
[06:40] <raveneye> burp... now that was some serious chow.
[06:43] <DarkAdmiral> welches ist das beste p2p filesharing programm fr linux?
[06:43] <DarkAdmiral> limewire gefllt mir nicht so....
[06:43] <DarkAdmiral> which is the best p2p filesharing application?
[06:44] <HymnToLife> DarkAdmiral> buy CDs
[06:45] <_mindspin> fish
[06:45] <_mindspin> no
[06:45] <_mindspin> just ajoke
[06:45] <DarkAdmiral> HymnToLife: i like to download trial versions with p2p apps^^
[06:46] <HymnToLife> why ?
[06:46] <HymnToLife> I use ddl for those, better bandwidth
[06:47] <Apocs> hmm, didn't work
[07:17] <lolziac> kbuntuuu rulezzzzz :D
[07:17] <Tm_T> ok
[07:18] <DeBert> What's Kubuntu?
[07:19] <lolziac> ubuntu with KDE
[07:19] <lolziac> i think
[07:19] <lolziac> :d
[07:19] <DeBert> KDE?
[07:19] <lolziac> GUI
[07:19] <lolziac> graphical user interface
[07:20] <dumezil> when i click on a link in an application (ie my mail app or irc client), it should pass it to my web browser, but it doesn't...  how do i fix this?
[07:20] <lolziac> i got that problem also, but i have it with aMSN
[07:20] <DeBert> you have seet default browser in control center?
[07:21] <dumezil> where do i set that?
[07:22] <DeBert> u use konqueror or firefox?
[07:22] <dumezil> firefox
[07:22] <DeBert> you can do it in firefox in settings
[07:24] <DeBert> ah, found it in system settings. Go User Account/Default Applications, and change it there.
[07:25] <lolziac> do u use gnome or kde
[07:25] <lolziac> DeBert:
[07:25] <DeBert> kde
[07:26] <lolziac> found it
[07:26] <lolziac> :d
[07:28] <dumezil> sorry but i don't see that...  Go User Account?  where is that?
[07:28] <lolziac> eventhough still aMSN mail link doesnt work -> Can't execute application: mozilla $url
[07:28] <lolziac> check preferences
[07:28] <DeBert> Start/System Settings/User Account/Default Applications
[07:29] <lolziac> fixed :D had to change aMSN preferences
[07:29] <lolziac> insted of mozilla $url - replaed it with firefox
[07:30] <dumezil> when you say start, do you mean the k menu?
[07:34] <heinkel_111> brb booting windows :(
[07:40] <m0ns00n> Hmm
[07:40] <m0ns00n> AMD64 crashes constantly on Kubuntu
[07:40] <m0ns00n> Is there anything I can do?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> Compile my own kernel or what?
[07:41] <frank23> m0ns00n: what do you mean crashes?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> I can't run the system in KDE more than 10 minutes before it crashes
[07:41] <frank23> when?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> I'm running the NVidia drivers _without_ renderaccel as I don't want a rainbow, but a display
[07:41] <frank23> m0ns00n: does it freeze? nothing responds anymore?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> No
[07:42] <m0ns00n> x.org crashes
[07:42] <m0ns00n> 1 time when I tried to apply icon changes
[07:42] <frank23> what happens with the nv driver?
[07:42] <m0ns00n> I dunno
[07:42] <m0ns00n> I'm not running it, it's too slow
[07:42] <m0ns00n> I want to feel like I'm on a faster computer than my old 1.1ghz
[07:42] <m0ns00n> =)
[07:43] <frank23> Well if nv works fine, then the problem is with the nvidia drivers
[07:43] <frank23> I don't know how to fix it but at least you would have a usable system
[07:44] <m0ns00n> I've heard Suse runs perfect with NVidia drivers on AMD64
[07:44] <m0ns00n> Kubuntu doesn't even provide half of the KDE 3.5 packages on amd64
[07:44] <frank23> the nvidia drivers worked fine for me too when I ran AMD64.
[07:45] <frank23> I just use the i386 version of ubuntu now and avoid all those problems ;)
[07:46] <ubuntu> hello, i'm using kubuntu live cd atm and want to mount a hardisk (read-only), however i need root-rights. How to have them WITH THE LIVE-CD?
[07:47] <colm> ubuntu, use sudo - check out #kubuntu for further help
[07:47] <frank23> !rootsudo
[07:47] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:48] <ubuntu> ok thanks
[07:54] <ubuntu> please, i need some help to mount my 2 harddisks
[07:54] <ubuntu> anyone can help
[07:55] <ubuntu> i made cd /mnt
[07:55] <ubuntu> then
[07:55] <ubuntu> sudo mkdir hda1 hdb1
[07:55] <ubuntu> then mount -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[07:56] <ubuntu> mount -o ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[07:56] <robotgeek> ubuntu: what does it tel lyou?
[07:56] <ubuntu> you must specify filesystem type
[07:57] <robotgeek> ubuntu: what partition is it? windows?
[07:57] <maenty> bootstrap: you need automake version 1.5 or later
[07:57] <maenty> I have automake1.9 installed, any ideas?
[07:57] <ubuntu> it's ntfs, but how to place it?
[07:57] <robotgeek> !ntfs
[07:57] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:57] <ubuntu> robotgeek, yes
[07:58] <robotgeek> maenty: what are you trying to compile?
[07:58] <ubuntu> that should help, thans
[07:58] <maenty> robotgeek: VC-1, to make VLC play VMW9
[07:58] <maenty> robotgeek: http://www.nanocrew.net/2005/09/01/compiling-vlc/
[07:59] <maenty> robotgeek: I'm in the part where I should ./bootstrap under libvc1-1.0 but that gives me the error
[07:59] <robotgeek> maenty: hmm, enjoy
[07:59] <maenty> robotgeek: I would, if it would work :)
[07:59] <robotgeek> maenty: i gave up long time ago, apparently the decoder isn't worth the compiling ;)
[08:01] <maenty> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[08:01] <maenty> strange, how does it say it's 1.4-p6 even though I have installed automake1.9?
[08:01] <maenty> that's the response of automake --version
[08:02] <robotgeek> maenty: export automake=/path/to/automake1.8
[08:02] <maenty> hmm I have no idea where apt-get install puts stuff
[08:03] <robotgeek> maenty: dpkg -L automake1.9 | grep bin
[08:03] <HymnToLife> /usr/bin most likely
[08:05] <maenty> how can i see where automake= points now?
[08:05] <maenty> is there a command to check where it points currently?
[08:06] <maenty> didn't help, automake --version says still that it's 1.4
[08:07] <robotgeek> maenty: no, but try the make
[08:07] <maenty> robotgeek: ./bootstrap automatically uses the automake
[08:07] <robotgeek> maenty: yeah, try it
[08:08] <maenty> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[08:08] <robotgeek> maenty: i meant the bootstrap
[08:08] <maenty> yes I tried ./bootstrap again, same prob
[08:08] <maenty> bootstrap: you need automake version 1.5 or later
[08:09] <maenty> after that i checked automake --version and noticed that it actually still points to 1.4
[08:09] <robotgeek> maenty: try in #ubuntu maybe
[08:10] <kreiter> quit
[08:10] <pradeepto> robotgeek:
[08:10] <robotgeek> hey pradeepto
[08:11] <ganymed_> hallo
[08:21] <maenty> thanks robotgeek, i got answer and working solution from there
[08:21] <maenty> it seems that automake was linked to the old one
[08:21] <maenty> sudo update-alternatives --config automake let me change the redirection to correct one, and it works now
[08:22] <robotgeek> maenty: ah, nice
[08:23] <ubuntu> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:23] <ubuntu> hi, when i want to mount partiton, i get a "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[08:24] <ubuntu> by typing for ex. "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" (which i created with mkdir in mnt)
[08:25] <ubuntu> i have windows 2000 ntfs btw
[08:27] <ubuntu> HOW can i specify filesystem (where)?
[08:27] <elDeuce> anyone around willing to help me with some usb issues?
[08:27] <ubuntu> i know it's ntfs
[08:28] <robotgeek> ubuntu: mount -t ntfs
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok
[08:28] <ubuntu> trying now
[08:28] <robotgeek> elDeuce: don't ask to ask, just ask
[08:30] <ubuntu> hmm
[08:30] <ubuntu> "mount point does not exist"
[08:30] <ubuntu> :-(
[08:31] <neoncode> What good peer to peer programs can I get for linux?
[08:31] <ubuntu> azureus
[08:31] <Epo^^> hi again!
[08:31] <elDeuce> okay - i have tail logs and lsmod logs -- my usb flash memory when plugged in pulls up konqueror but says sda1 cannot be found
[08:32] <Epo^^> Bah, I can't get Wireless to work
[08:32] <Epo^^> I go to the control panel, click network and it says I need root access
[08:32] <ubuntu> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:32] <ubuntu> i get this
[08:32] <Epo^^> There isn't a button to get it either...
[08:32] <ubuntu> ???
[08:32] <Epo^^> In other dialogs there is, like in Font or something
[08:33] <Epo^^> That doesn't mean it works tho : I put it in, but nothing really happens
[08:33] <Epo^^> I don't get access to the controls
[08:33] <ubuntu> i mean, i get this: "mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /mnt/hdd busy"
[08:33] <pvh> Are there known problems with the Display Module in Dapper?
[08:33] <pvh> My Display Module won't open in System Settings.
[08:34] <pvh> It simply says "The module Display could not be loaded."
[08:36] <elDeuce> okay - i have tail logs and lsmod logs -- my usb flash memory when plugged in pulls up konqueror but says sda1 cannot be found -- any idea on how to access my usb memory?
[08:36] <ubuntu> robotgeek, what to do when i get this: "mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /mnt/hdd busy"
[08:36] <ubuntu> ?
[08:36] <robotgeek> ubuntu: mount will show you where
[08:37] <ubuntu> how do you mean?
[08:37] <Epo^^> robotgeek, any solutions to my question?
[08:37] <_niels> I just installed kubuntu (breezy) for the first time. How do I upgrade to KDE 3.5?
[08:38] <robotgeek> Epo^^: Administrator Mode...
[08:52] <Epo^^> robotgeek, yes; that's what it asks for
[08:53] <Epo^^> But there is no dialog to put in the password, and if there is one (in some config parts it is), it doesn't do a thing
[08:53] <Epo^^> I tried the command "kcontrol", but that didn't work either
[08:54] <robotgeek> Epo^^, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:54] <elDeuce> i have tail logs and lsmod logs -- my usb flash memory when plugged in pulls up konqueror but says sda1 cannot be found -- any idea on how to access my usb memory?
[08:55] <weedar> I'd love to have a day without firefox crashing
[08:55] <robotgeek> elDeuce: look in /media
[08:55] <Snake__> weedar: go to opera
[08:55] <elDeuce> not there
[08:55] <weedar> Snake__, I guess I'll just have to...
[08:55] <Snake__> weedar: trust me, youll like it
[08:55] <elDeuce> -  /media shows two cdroms, my floppy, and my two hardrives
[08:55] <Snake__> IMHO its wayy faster
[08:56] <weedar> Snake__, I think I just have bad memories from it beeing ad-driven "back in the day"
[08:56] <Snake__> weedar: Not like that any more
[08:57] <elDeuce> firefox for windows works quite well -- i'm not too sure about this linux version
[08:57] <robotgeek> elDeuce: have you tried ffox1.5
[08:57] <robotgeek> it seems very nice and stable
[08:57] <Snake__> elDeuce: I dont like FF on linux :-/
[08:57] <elDeuce> i am using ffox 1.5
[08:57] <Snake__> robotgeek: its still slow man
[08:57] <robotgeek> Snake__: hmm, pretty good for me
[08:58] <robotgeek> i use konq mostly tho
[08:58] <Snake__> robotgeek: have you tried opera?
[08:58] <robotgeek> Snake__: yeah, it's fast and all, but not so fast as to warrant learning a new browser
[08:58] <elDeuce> robotgeek: Snake__: ffox 1.5 starts up really slow for me, but works okay after that. just seems clunkier then windows version
[08:58] <Snake__> Heh
[08:58] <elDeuce> but no matter what its better then konqueror
[08:58] <Snake__> elDeuce: Yea same here, it takes years to start up, but once its goin its nice
[08:59] <elDeuce> robotgeek: any thoughts on the usb issue?
[08:59] <kroisis> okay, installed kubuntu-desktop successfully, but when I attempt to run K3B it's complaining about not having the cdrdao executables and recommends I install the cdrdao package...how would this be accomplished?
[09:00] <robotgeek> elDeuce: hmm, no further clues, sorry
[09:00] <robotgeek> kroisis: install it using adept
[09:00] <Snake__> kroisis: sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[09:00] <kroisis> robotgeek ok, thanks
[09:00] <elDeuce> An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:
[09:00] <elDeuce> The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist.
[09:01] <elDeuce> robotgeek: thats the error it gives me when i plug in the memory
[09:01] <robotgeek> elDeuce: but try /media/sda1
[09:02] <weedar> Firefox in Linux witout Sessionsaver is not a good idea
[09:02] <weedar> or vice versa: Sessionsaver is a great idea when using Firefox =)
[09:02] <elDeuce> robotgeek: The file or folder file:///media/sda1 does not exist.
[09:03] <robotgeek> elDeuce: can you paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l" and "mount" to the pastebin
[09:03] <Snake__> How do I check how much space my HDD has left?
[09:04] <Tonio_> re
[09:04] <Snake__> re?
[09:04] <elDeuce> Snake__: df
[09:04] <elDeuce> in konsole
[09:04] <Snake__> Oh sheesh
[09:04] <Snake__> thanks
[09:04] <elDeuce> :-)
[09:05] <elDeuce> one of the very few commands i know
[09:05] <elDeuce> thnx to the unix servers i "maintain"
[09:05] <Snake__> lol
[09:06] <kroisis> okay, ....I'm beginning to appreciate kubuntu now...
[09:06] <Snake__> :)
[09:06] <Snake__> kroisis: itll only get better
[09:06] <weedar> "df -h" if you want the output to be readable =)
[09:06] <kroisis> it's kind of irritating not being able to log in to do sysadmin type things as root as first...but one adjusts.
[09:07] <elDeuce> robotgeek: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/595069
[09:07] <lolziac> kubuntu is perfect
[09:07] <Snake__> lolziac: far from it
[09:07] <lolziac> :D today i feel good in linux
[09:07] <lolziac> :D
[09:07] <elDeuce> lolziac: very far from it
[09:07] <lolziac> veryy very very far
[09:07] <kroisis> lolziac, don't say things like that when I'm drinking...I'll have to charge you for a new keyboard!
[09:07] <lolziac> :D
[09:07] <elDeuce> but it makes for a nice learning tool
[09:07] <Snake__> lol
[09:07] <lolziac> lolzzzz
[09:07] <lolziac> hahaha
[09:08] <Snake__> Its very very close to the best tho :)
[09:08] <robotgeek> elDeuce: you are trying to mount sda1?
[09:08] <lolziac> i think
[09:08] <lolziac> there in word yet
[09:08] <lolziac> for that
[09:08] <elDeuce> robotgeek: i dunno, am i?
[09:08] <lolziac> and the word is going to be
[09:08] <lolziac> kubuntuu
[09:08] <lolziac> :d
[09:08] <elDeuce> robotgeek: this is my second day using linux
[09:08] <robotgeek> elDeuce: the usb, right?
[09:08] <elDeuce> robotgeek: yes
[09:08] <kroisis> elDeuce, congratulations!
[09:08] <kroisis> elDeuce, what was your previous os?
[09:09] <elDeuce> robotgeek: i have some knowledge in unix, but no jacks*** about linux
[09:09] <Snake__> Windoze
[09:09] <robotgeek> elDeuce: try "pmount /dev/sda1"
[09:09] <elDeuce> kroisis: WinXP, Unix, Mac OS X
[09:09] <Snake__> Windows XP = L.D. OS
[09:09] <Snake__> Oooo
[09:09] <Snake__> :P
[09:10] <elDeuce> robotgeek: HAHAHAHA, your command gave me an error that reminded me i am a jackass
[09:10] <elDeuce> robotgeek: in winblowz i formated the usb stick to have a name... it was sitting at /media/DEUCE
[09:10] <kroisis> hey, not everyone came to linux from winblows...I came from solaris back in '96
[09:10] <elDeuce> deuce@deuce:~$ pmount /dev/sda1
[09:10] <elDeuce> Error: device /dev/sda1 is already mounted to /media/DEUCE
[09:11] <robotgeek> elDeuce: cool
[09:11] <elDeuce> robotgeek: thnx
[09:11] <Snake__> :P
[09:11] <Snake__> oops
[09:13] <lolziac> ppl
[09:13] <lolziac> can i do a question
[09:13] <kroisis> ...hopefully my 5 yr old daughter will be one of the last generation to recall the windows monopoly
[09:13] <lolziac> is there any way that i can write to ntfs drive
[09:13] <lolziac> ???
[09:13] <lolziac> i mounted my ntfs, but i only can read
[09:15] <elDeuce> lolziac: ntfs is a horrible filesystem and i'm sorry you are using it
[09:15] <elDeuce> lolziac: other then that, i have no helpful advice, sorry :-/
[09:15] <lolziac> elDeuce:  lolz got some more applications that i cant run them in linux
[09:15] <lolziac> till i port them all
[09:15] <lolziac> :D
[09:15] <elDeuce> and i've just broken my spacers in my lobes :-(
[09:16] <elDeuce> lolziac: i stick with fat32
[09:16] <lolziac> hmmm
[09:16] <elDeuce> ah the good ole days of win 98
[09:16] <lolziac> hahaha
[09:16] <ryanakca> I made the stupid mistake of going "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"... how do I uninstall it?
[09:16] <neoncode> elDeuce: "good" ?
[09:16] <elDeuce> when everything worked the way you expected it to and you could set your watch to the blue screen of death
[09:16] <lolziac> :D
[09:16] <lolziac> yeep
[09:17] <neoncode> ryanakca: "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop"? Not sure though
[09:17] <kroisis> lolziac, http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/eac/knowledgebaseAnswer/0,295199,sid63_gci1053298,00.html  <-- a bit dated but worth the read possibly
[09:17] <ryanakca> neoncode: no... ubuntu-desktop is a meta package....
[09:17] <elDeuce> robotgeek: you know about about the nvidia drivers?
[09:18] <neoncode> ryanakca: Ahh... Then you now have a few hundered extra packages... I dunno...
[09:18] <lolziac> kroisis: thanx man
[09:18] <lolziac> :D
[09:20] <elDeuce> anyone know anything about the nvidia drivers?
[09:21] <Marrs> I use them :)
[09:21] <neoncode>  I have ATi
[09:21] <elDeuce> grr
[09:21] <cerdg> what do you want to know about them?
[09:21] <elDeuce> i got everything installed but it wont let me go to higher resolutions that i know exist
[09:22] <Marrs> check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:22] <Marrs> there should be a list of resolutions there
[09:22] <kroisis> lolziac, I'm seeing where it seems that you can write to NTFS partitions fine from SuSE 10 Linux, using Captive, but it's pretty limted
[09:23] <elDeuce> Marrs: will check, thnx
[09:23] <Flosoft> Flosoft
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	why does kded crash on login?
[09:23] <Flosoft>
[09:23] <Flosoft> Flosoft
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	is there a bugfix for Dapper?
[09:23] <Flosoft>
[09:23] <Flosoft> 21:14
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	Flosoft
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	because nearly all applications like Konqueror don't start afterwards ... and sometimes I can't login ... if I already logged in before ... without restarting the PC ...
[09:24] <kroisis> man, mine started me out at 1280x1024 on a freakin' 17" monitor...dude, the print was so tiny I had to move in to be bale to change the default resolution...
[09:48] <lolziac> i just did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:48] <lolziac> it was installing
[09:49] <lolziac> till now and asking for /etc/qt3/qtrc
[09:49] <lolziac> should i do Y
[09:49] <lolziac> right
[09:49] <lolziac> ???
[09:50] <lolziac> 1 2 3 i go with Y :)
[09:51] <m0ns00n> Man
[09:52] <m0ns00n> No linux distro likes this AMD64 computer
[09:53] <tomcatt> hello all.
[09:53] <treakath> hey all\
[09:53] <tomcatt> what's the word as far as upgrading to dapper from breeze?
[09:53] <m0ns00n> When installin i386 version of Kubuntu I'm told I get a fatal error
[09:54] <m0ns00n> But since the amd64 fucks up completely this is my only option
[09:54] <treakath> is dapper any good???????
[09:54] <JohnFlux> treakath: you could fit in some more ?  I think
[09:54] <m0ns00n> I haven't tried
[09:54] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: maybe you have a hardware problem
[09:55] <treakath> fit some more what????
[09:55] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: Could be but I doubt it
[09:55] <tomcatt> it's okay, but that was the gnome version.
[09:55] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: I dunno anyone who ever got a AMD64 to install perfectly on Windows, Linux or whatever
[09:55] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: It's still too young
[09:56] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: I'm using amd64 now :P
[09:56] <JohnFlux> treakath: some more question marks
[09:56] <JohnFlux> treakath: if you tried hard
[09:56] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: there are many versions/types of amd64
[09:57] <treakath> yea i no
[09:57] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: And many mainboards
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: perhaps, but i've tried 2
[09:57] <JohnFlux> treakath: "know"
[09:57] <treakath> kk
[09:57] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: This is a MSI board with NForce4 and AMD64 3500
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: run a hardware checked
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: checker
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: start with memtest86 maybe
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: I wouldn't rule out hardware so fast
[09:57] <treakath> whats a good linux to download
[09:57] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: First I'm gonna try with i386
[09:58] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: good luck
[09:58] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux:
[09:58] <m0ns00n> thanks
[09:58] <treakath> im using kubuntu at the mo
[09:58] <JohnFlux> treakath: gentoo is good.  try that
[09:59] <treakath> i got a laptop and my mate wont install it for me
[09:59] <dottedline> treakath: Kubuntu is really quite good without the silly sudo blockade
[09:59] <treakath> :'(
[10:00] <dottedline> gentoo really requires a more advanced user
[10:02] <JohnFlux> treakath: if you want to just get going without the hassle of install, you could try a live cd
[10:02] <tomplast> hi
[10:02] <JohnFlux> treakath: such as knoppix
[10:02] <tomplast> is there anyone good at wireless connections?
[10:02] <cerdg> knoppix is great
[10:03] <tomplast> or kubuntu optimizations?
[10:03] <JohnFlux> tomplast: ask don't ask to ask
[10:03] <treakath> dottedline and johnflux have you got msn if you do this is my add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:03] <JohnFlux> treakath: sorry too busy
[10:04] <treakath> whats yours then
[10:04] <tomplast> I'm trying to get a laptop at school working with a D-LINK Wireless PCMIA (one that you plug in or something) card and the first time it detected it and could establish a connection but now it doesnt work and I have not changed anything.
[10:05] <treakath> dont have it on cd its not out in nz on cd yet
[10:05] <dottedline> treakath: I don't use M$ anything...
[10:06] <treakath> kk
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> !QuickTime
[10:08] <ubotu> [quicktime]  read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support or just install the "libquicktime1" package.
[10:12] <_treakath> johnflux what were you saying about koppix
[10:13] <JohnFlux> _treakath: google for knoppix
[10:14] <elDeuce> Marrs: thanks for the info - got my resolution set now!
[10:15] <Marrs> you're welcome!
[10:15] <cycus_zwisus> i've got a little problem with fonts
[10:15] <raveneye> lol cycus i bet it has to do with xmms?
[10:15] <cycus_zwisus> i fell in love with dejavu sans condensed :)
[10:16] <raveneye> so no xmms
[10:16] <robotgeek> !lart me
[10:16] <_treakath> i got it on cd but ma mate wont in stall gentoo or knoppix
[10:16] <cycus_zwisus> i'd like to use it for gtk-apps interface as well, but i can't
[10:16] <_treakath> on my laptop
[10:17] <cycus_zwisus> i mean i set something like gtk-font-name="DejaVu Sans Condensed 11" in .gtkrc-2.0
[10:18] <dottedline> treakath: if some else has to install it, you don't want gentoo - no disrespect intended
[10:18] <cycus_zwisus> but the interface fonts looks rather like dejavu sans, not dejavu sans condensed
[10:19] <cycus_zwisus> in opera (qt) it looks as it should look, the problem is with gtk2 apps
[10:19] <raveneye> hmmm you might get it working with gtk2 aps but i doubt if you get it working with gtk1.x for gtk 2 apps you need gtkthemeswitch (not sure where the dashes go) and a bunch of gtk2engines apt-cache search -n engines might do the trick... for gtk1. aps and xmms your best bet will be the transcoded xfonts.
[10:19] <elDeuce> how come kubuntu doesnt have any games on it?
[10:20] <robotgeek> elDeuce: hm, there only so much you can fit on a cd
[10:20] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: It does.
[10:20] <cycus_zwisus> i don't want it for gtk1, i hardly use gtk1 apps
[10:20] <elDeuce> robotgeek: where can i dl them
[10:20] <Marrs> it does not over here ;)
[10:20] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: where at?
[10:20] <sorin_> Hi.
[10:20] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: Open up Adept, and set the filter to games
[10:20] <robotgeek> elDeuce: look in adept
[10:20] <raveneye> try apt-get install kdegames
[10:21] <elDeuce> i'm not sure what that means
[10:21] <raveneye> sorry sudo apt-get install kdegames
[10:21] <sorin_> I don't understand why Firefox looks like shit in Kubuntu when gtk-qt seems to be installed and enabled in system settings.
[10:21] <Marrs> adept is an application
[10:21] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: If you actually looked for adept in your KDE menu, you'd know what I was talking about.
[10:21] <Marrs> it is used to install programs
[10:22] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: if you fucked off and died maybe it would be better then acting like i know every god damn thing there is to know about linux you dick
[10:22] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: It's time for you to leave.
[10:23] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: its time for you to stop acting like a god just because you know more about linux then me
[10:23] <robotgeek> elDeuce: you should respect coc
[10:23] <robotgeek> !coc
[10:23] <ubotu> coc is, like, the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:23] <Marrs> relax guys...
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> Such attitude, over such a simple thing. My word, some people have problems. :(
[10:24] <robotgeek> elDeuce: i don't see anything wrong with what Psi-Jack said, really
[10:24] <Tm_T> me neither
[10:25] <dottedline> elDuece: adept is an apt-get gui used to simplify downloading programs you would like to have on your PC
[10:25] <Tm_T> just if I'm needed... ;)
[10:25] <elDeuce> robotgeek: "he" didnt have to get an attitude. Marrs defined it just fine "an application used to install programs"
[10:25] <cycus_zwisus> raveneye, the problem concerns only interface, on web pages (firefox) dejavu sans condensed looks ok
[10:26] <robotgeek> elDeuce: again, it seemed pretty normal. he said almost exactly what i said :)
[10:26] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: I never gave you attitude. I merely pointed out the obvious.
[10:26] <elDeuce> if you had never used Windows and i told you to look in system directory you'd have no clue what i meant - so welcome to my world
[10:26] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: It was you whom directly attacked me for absolutely no reason at all.
[10:27] <cycus_zwisus> i want dejavu sans condensed in my gtk2 apps, it's the nicest font for linux i've ever seen!!
[10:27] <Tm_T> hey, cool it down and take own room if you like to continue
[10:27] <vicks> not supporting elDeuces' response at all, but maybe it wasn't that  obvious to him
[10:27] <robotgeek> elDeuce: Kmenu -> Sysyem -> Adept
[10:28] <elDeuce> robotgeek: i got the games installed, thnx
[10:28] <elDeuce> went to /media/USBNAME and got it to work
[10:28] <elDeuce> should be /media/sda1 - but since i formated it in WinXP it was /media/DEUCE
[10:28] <elDeuce> thnx
[10:28] <Tm_T> if you feel someone behave badly, attacking to him will not make things better ;(
[10:29] <lolziac> ubuntu ppl is there mplayer from ubuntu
[10:29] <lolziac> ??
[10:29] <HymnToLife> of course there is
[10:29] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: next time i suggest you word things differently to get the same meaning, and you'd even get to type less  ---  [15:21]  <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: look for adept in your KDE menu
[10:29] <lolziac> lolziac@lolziac:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[10:29] <lolziac> ksubtile - subtitle editor for KDE
[10:29] <lolziac> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[10:29] <lolziac> tea - small text editor with syntax highlighting & UTF support
[10:29] <lolziac> HymnToLife:
[10:29] <robotgeek> lolziac, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:30] <cycus_zwisus> btw, i know how to get nice fonts for gtk1 :P
[10:30] <lolziac> srry
[10:30] <Tm_T> elDeuce: I said already, drop it
[10:30] <raveneye> cycus_zwisus i understand that still for gtk2apps to atapt a certain style (widgets fonts fontsize) you gonna need gtk-themeswitch2 (still not sure where the dashes go!)  oh and before i forget in systemsettings kdemenu > systemsettings > appearence there is a gtk styles and fonts setting option... check it out.
[10:30] <HymnToLife> lolziac> do you have universe/multiverse enabled ?
[10:30] <elDeuce> Tm_T: i was just showing him how to save keystrokes
[10:30] <raveneye> it might do the gtk-themeswitch thingy for you
[10:30] <lolziac> HymnToLife: its my first day in linux
[10:31] <sorin_> Sorry, I got disconnected.  I was asking, "I don't understand why Firefox looks horrible in Kubuntu when gtk-qt seems to be installed and enabled in system settings?"
[10:31] <lolziac> so that doesnt ring me a bell
[10:31] <lolziac> :D
[10:31] <cycus_zwisus> raveneye, i've already checked it :/
[10:31] <HymnToLife> ok
[10:31] <lolziac> how do i enable it
[10:31] <lolziac> HymnToLife:
[10:31] <HymnToLife> run kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:31] <lolziac> i think i did that
[10:32] <lolziac> enabling to get from internet
[10:32] <HymnToLife> obviously you didn't do it well
[10:32] <cycus_zwisus> i'm afraid i'll have to return to  ugly ms fonts :/
[10:32] <HymnToLife> so delete everything in the file and paste this one instead http://membres.lycos.fr/mafiaboy03/sources.list
[10:33] <lolziac> ill do that
[10:33] <lolziac> :D
[10:33] <lolziac> eventhough till now i was getting packged
[10:33] <lolziac> done man
[10:33] <HymnToLife> if you couldn't get mplayer you obviously didn't have the right sources
[10:33] <lolziac> replaced it
[10:33] <HymnToLife> ok, close the file (save the changes)
[10:33] <HymnToLife> and run sudo apt-get update
[10:34] <vicks> for n00bie friendliness, adept should have something like the synaptic ubuntu-specific repo-selection
[10:34] <lolziac> Getting Packages HymnToLife :)
[10:34] <HymnToLife> cool :)
[10:35] <HymnToLife> vicks> I really don't like adept
[10:35] <leafw> any clues on how to get the external monitor to work?
[10:35] <vicks> na, me neither, bet it seems were stuck with it ;)
[10:35] <lolziac> HymnToLife: Done
[10:35] <leafw> is there an autodetection setup app ?
[10:35] <HymnToLife> maybe it's ause I used Synaptic for so long, but I never managed to install anything with it :D
[10:35] <lolziac> i see now
[10:35] <lolziac> :D
[10:35] <lolziac> lots of mplaers
[10:36] <lolziac> i was using this http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[10:36] <lolziac> :S
[10:36] <lolziac> my mistake, wanted to do it by my self
[10:36] <leafw> is there an autodetection setup app ?
[10:36] <leafw> any clues on how to get the external monitor to work?
[10:37] <leafw> anyone, how to setup an external monitor? I need to project some slides
[10:37] <HymnToLife> lolziac> no need for it :)you can get basically whatever you need through apt-get
[10:37] <sorin_> I think GTK is not installed, and gtk-qt obvioulsy does not know how to style X's default widgets.
[10:38] <vicks> actually a module for selecting and setting repos in system settings would be cool. ubuntu have something like this
[10:43] <m0ns00n> Seems linux has issues with APIC and AMD64?
[10:43] <m0ns00n> (APIC issues goes way back)
[10:45] <sorin_> I love the new Control Panel in KDE 3.5.  It looks exactly like  OS X.  I would have expected gnome to clone that before kde.
[10:45] <|GuS|> Hi!!
[10:46] <|GuS|> one question.... Is Kubutu dapper open for translations?
[10:47] <leafw> external monitor, anyone?
[10:47] <leafw> how to set it up?
[10:47] <leafw> this should be easy ...
[10:48] <leafw> sorin_: if you then add Baghira, you have your 'mac' ready.
[10:49] <sorin_> neah
[10:49] <sorin_> I can shrink the taskbar
[10:49] <sorin_> more useful than the apple dock
[10:50] <sorin_> it's hard to choose  between kde and gnome. functionality vs simplicity.  though gnome can be prettyfied.
[10:51] <divansantana> kde cn b too...
[10:52] <sorin_> kde is pretty enough
[10:54] <vicks> i must say that kubuntu is moving kde to more and more clean style. dapper improves lots of little details
[10:54] <sorin_> I'm running dapper.
[10:55] <sorin_> I'm waiting for KDE4.
[10:55] <vicks> aren't we all
[10:55] <|GuS|> Sorin... is there a date set for KDE4 ?
[10:56] <sorin_> 2007
[10:56] <|GuS|> Thanks
[10:56] <leafw>  anyone on how to plug an external monitor
[10:56] <leafw> it's not automatically recognized
[10:56] <sorin_> How does one list all processes that are accessing a certain file?
[10:56] <|GuS|> i want to see  the Plasma project :)
[10:57] <|GuS|> External monitor?
[10:57] <leafw> a slidep projector
[10:57] <leafw> in a laptop
[10:57] <leafw> do I have to change the xorg.conf ?
[10:57] <leafw> is there an app to autodetect displays?
[10:57] <|GuS|> mmm, wich connector?
[10:58] <leafw> VGA
[10:58] <|GuS|> and Video board?
[10:58] <leafw> well, digital into VGA ... this is a powerbook
[10:58] <_brandon_> how to i install kget downloader? cause i tryed to use apt-get install kget and it says that there is no package.
[10:58] <|GuS|> yes, you must onfigure in xorg... but for every VGA board has its own
[10:58] <|GuS|> if i am not wrong...
[10:59] <leafw> |GuS|: which means, I'd better find an example
[10:59] <_brandon_> how to i install kget downloader? cause i tryed to use apt-get install kget and it says that there is no package.
[10:59] <|GuS|> i just know how with nVidia...
[11:01] <|GuS|> _brandon_: have you uncommented all repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:01] <_brandon_> how to i do that i know how to in gnome but not kde
[11:02] <|GuS|> comment-out*
[11:02] <|GuS|> is the same brandon
[11:02] <_brandon_> kk
[11:02] <leafw> I think this baby carries a Gforce
[11:02] <leafw> but I can't even see it
[11:02] <leafw> because the KDE system settings no longer lists the hardware
[11:02] <|GuS|> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:02] <|GuS|> ok leafw
[11:03] <|GuS|> try lspci
[11:03] <|GuS|> and you will see...
[11:03] <|GuS|> on VGA compatible controller: line
[11:03] <leafw> ok
[11:04] <leafw> ok, an ATI Radeon R250 Lf
[11:05] <|GuS|> ok
[11:05] <SpookyET> for some idiotic reason, aptitude is not asking me to insert the ubuntu cd and it is downloading the packages, even though it is added to the apt database.
[11:05] <|GuS|> for ati.. thereis a package named atitvout...
[11:05] <leafw> now for the proper xorg
[11:05] <leafw> there is ?
[11:05] <SpookyET> apt is driving me nuts.  it only wants /media/cdrom.  Well, i got 3 cdroms, can't it look through all?
[11:05] <|GuS|> yep
[11:05] <leafw> let's see it ...
[11:06] <|GuS|> Spooky you can see in /etc/fstab
[11:06] <leafw> not for ppc
[11:06] <|GuS|> ok leafw
[11:07] <|GuS|> you must compile it by yourselft http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/atitvout/
[11:07] <_brandon_> kk i uncommented the universe lines
[11:07] <leafw> I never thought this could be so hard
[11:07] <leafw> should be automated
[11:07] <|GuS|> jeje... ATI is a little sh....
[11:07] <SpookyET> See what in fstab?
[11:08] <|GuS|> the conf for the media suff SpookyET...
[11:08] <SpookyET> i can access all 3 cdroms
[11:08] <|GuS|> time for go home!! bye
[11:08] <SpookyET> but apt is only looking at /media/cdrom
[11:08] <SpookyET> not the other 2
[11:09] <Tm_T> !botabuse
[11:09] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[11:09] <leafw> |Gus|: PPC: No TV-Out on Macs with this tool
[11:09] <robotgeek> leafw: is it a ibook?
[11:09] <leafw> powerbook
[11:10] <leafw> can't see the external monitor
[11:10] <leafw> any clue?
[11:10] <m0ns00n> The AMD64 system is still crashing with or without amd64
[11:10] <leafw> I have an VGA  ATI Radeon
[11:10] <_brandon_> thanx gus it worked
[11:10] <robotgeek> leafw: okay, svid out will not work
[11:10] <leafw> svid ?
[11:10] <leafw> well, never heard ...
[11:10] <robotgeek> leafw: s video?
[11:11] <leafw> is it an apt-gettable package ?
[11:11] <m0ns00n> hmm
[11:11] <robotgeek> leafw: no, it is a connector on the older powerbooks
[11:11] <m0ns00n> Why is kubuntu running the nforce 2 driver with nforce4?
[11:11] <leafw> this is a PB Ti 3.5 1Ghz
[11:12] <leafw> when it comes to monitors, I have no clue
[11:12] <robotgeek> leafw: do you also have a video port which resembles a normal "PC" video out?
[11:12] <leafw> no, no standard VGA, but I have a cable adapter to a VGA
[11:12] <SpookyET>  What's the command to change betweeen gdm and kdm?
[11:12] <robotgeek> leafw: okay, shutdown linux, connect it to the monitor and boot it up
[11:12] <leafw> I did so
[11:13] <robotgeek> leafw: make sure you close the lid
[11:13] <leafw> and also the other way around
[11:13] <leafw> the lid ?
[11:13] <leafw> ok, shut down, close the lid, reboot ?
[11:13] <robotgeek> leafw: yes, reboot, wait for the sound and close the lid
[11:13] <leafw> ok
[11:13] <robotgeek> SpookyET: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:13] <leafw> I'll try
[11:13] <leafw> see you in a moment
[11:14] <leafw> any further instruction ?
[11:14] <robotgeek> leafw: if you get dual monitor working, let me know ;)
[11:14] <leafw> xD
[11:14] <leafw> ok
[11:14] <leafw> I'll be back.
[11:15] <SpookyET> It really sucks that Amarok can't index and play from samba shares.
[11:24] <raveneye> time to lay me head down on both ears... nite all...
[11:30] <trappist> who said amarok can't index and play from samba shares?
[11:31] <leafw> robotgeek_away: no way to get the external screen for the PowerBook Ti
[11:32] <leafw> and now I have weird antialiased fonts
[11:32] <leafw> which I don't want
[11:35] <borelia> !flash
[11:35] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:37] <shawn__> !java
[11:37] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:37] <shawn__> !javadebs
[11:39] <leafw> !vga
[11:39] <ubotu> leafw: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:40] <leafw> !monitor
[11:40] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, leafw
[11:48] <murph2481> alright trying to make MP3's using KAudioCreator
[11:48] <murph2481> i get the message The selected encoder was not found.
[11:48] <murph2481> any suggestions?
[11:49] <HymnToLife> !lame
[11:49] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[11:49] <murph2481> !lame
[11:49] <HymnToLife> hmm well you certainly have to install lame to encore mp3
[11:50] <murph2481> where do i get that
[11:50] <murph2481> i am not seeing it in synaptic
[11:50] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install lame :)
[11:50] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:51] <murph2481> Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:51] <murph2481> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:51] <murph2481> is only available from another source
[11:51] <HymnToLife> you obviously don't have the correct repos
[11:51] <murph2481> i haven't changed what came with the dapper flight 3
[11:52] <murph2481> is there something i should add?
[11:52] <HymnToLife> hmm dapper
[11:52] <HymnToLife> you should go to #ubuntu+1 then
[11:53] <jjs01h> can't get xorg to do 1920x1280, even though that is this lcd's native resolution. runs at 1600x1200 instead :\
[11:53] <jjs01h> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail. how can i get the timings for the advanced setup?
[11:54] <gleesond> is there a good tool to rip my cd's to ogg
[11:54] <gleesond> or mp3 or what ever is the best
[11:54] <murph2481> looks like sound-juicer would do it for you
[11:54] <HymnToLife> gleesond> abcde
[11:54] <shawn__> kAudioCreator works fine
[11:55] <leafw> robotgeek_away: more on screens: now my 1280x854 screen resolution setting has disappeared
[11:55] <leafw> even though it's what it says in the xorg.conf
[11:55] <leafw> I don't get it.
[11:55] <leafw> and I don't know how to restore it, it lets me put 1280x800, which gives skewed fonts!
[11:56] <yoge> H3LL0 .I've just installed ubuntu,Can I download the packages for kubuntu-desktop, burn them on a CD (on another machine) and then install them on the ubuntu machine?
[11:56] <leafw> yoge: yes
[11:56] <leafw> see man apt-get
[11:56] <leafw> to download only
[11:56] <leafw> then install the *.deb packages with dpkg -i
[11:56] <HymnToLife> yoge> yes though it's not recommended
[11:58] <yoge> HymnToLife :doh! So what's the best choice #apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or #apt-cd cdrom add "kubuntu install cd"
[11:59] <judgen> How do i make Ati remote wonder work in ubuntu?
[11:59] <HymnToLife> yoge> you can't connect to the internet from your ubuntu machine ?
[12:00] <HymnToLife> better do from Kubuntu CD then
[12:00] <leafw> anyone know how to force a screen resolution, outside System Settings ?
[12:00] <HymnToLife> !resolution
[12:00] <ubotu> resolution is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:00] <leafw> thanks
[12:00] <yoge> HymnToLife > it's a really slow connection, and I already have install ubuntu breezy
[12:01] <leafw> the thing is, my xorg.conf already specifies the proper resolution, but the KDE system settings says 1280x800, which is incorrect
[12:02] <leafw> should be 1280x854
[12:02] <HymnToLife> yoge> better install from Kubuntu CD then
[12:02] <leafw> so the fonts look weird
[12:02] <ganymed_> hallo


[05:38] <micahg> pitti: would it be better for me to release Firefox 10.0.1 in the next few hours, sometime later today, or does it not make a lot of difference?
[05:39] <pitti> micahg: it's all the same to me,  so whatever fits you best
[05:40] <micahg> pitti: was wondering specifically WRT 10.04.4
[05:40] <pitti> micahg: the earlier the better, I'd say
[05:40] <pitti> but a few hours don't matter much
[05:41] <pitti> I'll rebuild images after it's in
[05:41] <pitti> with that we still have plenty of time for testing them
[05:41] <micahg> pitti: well, it'll either be ~09:00 UTC or ~19:00 UTC
[05:42] <micahg> i.e. I can stay up tonight if it'll help
[05:42] <pitti> oh -- then 9 UTC please
[05:42] <pitti> 1900 UTC is essentially "tomorrow" for Daviey, QA, and me
[05:43] <micahg> ok, thanks, will endeavor to accommodate then barring system issues
[05:43] <micahg> that's why I asked :)
[05:43] <pitti> thanks muchly
[08:57] <micahg> pitti: still working, probably another 30-45 minutes until I'm ready to release Firefox
[09:00] <pitti> micahg: thanks
[09:42] <micahg> pitti: done, could you please copy firefox/{lucid-oneiric} from ubuntu-mozilla-security to $RELEASE-{security,updates}
[09:46] <pitti> micahg: i. e. lucid maverick natty oneiric?
[09:46] <micahg> pitti: yes, please
[10:00] <pitti> micahg: should be all done now
[10:05] <micahg> pitti: thanks
[13:08]  * ogra_ wonders why his manual ubuntu-core build doesnt return, i see it in the processlist and it doesnt seem to have failed, but i cant imagine it can take 1h
[13:09] <ogra_> s/1h/more than 1h/
[13:11] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/precise/ doesnt seem to have a 13.1 log either
[13:11]  * ogra_ checks nusakan
[13:12] <ogra_> hmm, nothng there either
[13:12] <cjwatson> you need to look on the builder
[13:13] <ogra_> oh, hmm
[13:13] <cjwatson> however it was probably waiting for the kubuntu-mobile build to finish
[13:13] <ogra_> well, the livefs build was done in a few mins, i'm actually waiting for the second part
[13:13] <ogra_> but yeah, might be
[13:14] <cjwatson> the livefs build is still in progress
[13:14] <cjwatson>  9117 pts/8    S+     0:00          \_ ssh -t -o StrictHostKeyChecking no -o BatchMode yes<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/home/buildd/bin/BuildLiveCD -l -f plain -d precise ubuntu-core
[13:14] <ogra_> funny, i have feedback from all builders in my terminal
[13:14] <cjwatson> I can see progress in http://annonaceae.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/precise/ubuntu-core/latest/livecd-20120213.1-armel.out
[13:14] <cjwatson> so just wait
[13:14] <ogra_> yeah, will do
[13:15] <cjwatson> I bet you don't have feedback from all *builds*
[13:15] <ogra_> essentially i just want to see if my changes to make-web-indicies worked
[13:15] <cjwatson> then why did you do a buildlive run?
[13:15] <ogra_> oh, right, 3 out of 4
[13:15] <ogra_> because i was lazy and just copy/pasted from crontab without proper thinking
[13:15] <cjwatson> 'build-livecd-base ubuntu-core daily' would have been sufficient - there's a reason those are separate commands :)
[13:15] <cjwatson> too late now of course
[13:15] <ogra_> yeah
[13:16] <ogra_> well, i'm not in a hurry
[13:16] <ogra_> (was just wondering why it took so long, and didnt take kubuntu into account)
[15:21] <Riddell> what will it take to make a kubuntu-active?
[15:22] <Riddell> we now have a late addition of working packages I want to upload
[15:22] <Riddell> kubuntu-active is the replacement for kubuntu-mobile
[15:22] <Riddell> so it'll take adapting the seeds
[15:22] <Riddell> adapting the livefs build script
[15:22] <Riddell> adapting the cd build script
[15:23] <Riddell> other things?
[15:24] <cjwatson> probably a bunch of bits and bobs, do it well clear of a milestone so we can remember them all :)
[15:35] <skaet> Riddell,  it there someone lined up to test it?   also,  will it be armhf or armel?
[15:44] <Riddell> skaet: there is probably someone lined up to test it, I need to work out what arm machines we can test on but I have a pandaboard needing set up here
[15:44] <Riddell> skaet: it would also have large labels saying "technology preview" or similar all over it
[15:45] <cjwatson> do we get to stop building kubuntu-mobile at the same time?
[15:47]  * ogra_ hopes so ... else we would need more live builders at some point
[15:48] <ogra_> they already are close to build images back to back 24/7
[15:50] <ogra_> (yes, i know that we will start using the package builders for that at some point, but until thats ready we're stuck with what we have)
[15:51] <cjwatson> do you know how that project is going, incidentally
[15:51] <cjwatson> ?
[15:51] <ogra_> nope, all adams baby ....
[15:51] <ogra_> and he was at linaro connect last week so we didnt talk much
[15:51] <ogra_> (and i guess he didnt get much done for it alongside)
[16:29] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes kubuntu-mobile will be replaced
[16:31] <cjwatson> then can we just transfer over all the existing testers?
[16:58] <skaet> cjwatson, RIddell - it was built and not tested all through Oneiric, so not sure how many testers there really are for it.   :/
[17:00] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes
[17:00] <Riddell> skaet: depends on how much of a mood rbelem has for rounding up volunteers it but this release at least has me as backup
[17:01] <Riddell> skaet: he wouldn't have been in a mood for it during oneiric because upstream for -mobile had moved on to -active
[17:01] <Riddell> it would be good if we can keep up
[17:02] <Riddell> we'd be the first distro to have a community made tablet UI if we can do it
[17:02] <skaet> Riddell, what I'm weighing it against is that we don't have adequate resources for the other arm image builds right now during respins.
[17:02] <Riddell> skaet: maybe best if we just start on i386 only then
[17:02] <cjwatson> skaet: I think that concern is removed by replacing the existing kubuntu-mobile build
[17:02] <cjwatson> skaet: if it's a one-for-one swap we shouldn't have build time concerned
[17:02] <cjwatson> *concerns
[17:03] <Riddell> like -mobile it'll need only testing live image running, not installs
[17:04] <skaet> cjwaton,  arm builds are main slow down right now on the respins, so since the kubuntu-mobile ones weren't being tested they weren't built for the last 2 releases.
[17:04] <skaet> Riddell, restricting it to just i386 might be a solution if there are testers.
[17:05] <skaet> s/releases/milestones/
[17:05] <cjwatson> skaet: fine, but that isn't changed by renaming it to something else :-)
[17:07] <skaet> cjwatson,  :)  true.   The concern over the arm builder bottleneck is still there,  just less if there are fewer images to build. ;)
[17:09] <Riddell> we'll start off with i386 then and exand to arm if we know we have testers and builders
[17:10] <skaet> Riddell,  ok.
[17:11] <skaet> Riddell,  so I'll add i386 Kubuntu active to the manifest,  no support (tech preview only) - that suit?
[17:12] <Riddell> yep
[17:13] <Riddell> (a blocker might still turn up, we've only just got the packages working)
[17:15]  * skaet nods
[17:19]  * tumbleweed adds an opencv transition tracker (I see it started)
[18:59] <jaustin> can someone please clarify what the process for getting packages synced from Debian before FeatureFreeze?
[19:03] <jaustin> Is it as simple as raising a bug (that's what cjwatson said last year[1], but I can't see an equivalent message for 2012)
[19:03] <jaustin> [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-January/thread.html
[19:03] <cjwatson> same
[19:03] <cjwatson> best to use requestsync
[19:04] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[19:04] <cjwatson> jaustin: ^-
[19:06] <jaustin> cjwatson: Thanks. I presume for the actual package maintainer, using the (new?) syncpackage tool is adequate?
[19:06] <cjwatson> if the package maintainer has upload privileges to that package in Ubuntu, yes
[19:07] <cjwatson> that isn't necessarily the case for the package maintainer in Debian
[19:07] <jaustin> cjwatson: great, thanks.
[19:07] <cjwatson> and yes, syncpackage will need to be fairly current


[11:49] <youngbin> Good evening!
[11:53] <hothead-jung> Hello!
[11:55] <mscho> Good evening! and Good afternoon!(in UTC)
[11:57] <Bashing-om> Morning for those of us in the West - moar coffee :D
[11:57] <Kilos> hi guys from south africa
[11:57] <mscho> :D
[11:57] <Kilos> always more coffee
[12:04] <Bashing-om> mscho: hothead-jung: ,, Give us a bit longer to get things together :)
[12:04] <mscho> Sure :)
[12:04] <hothead-jung> Okay :)
[12:09] <mapreri> hello hello!
[12:09] <hothead-jung> Hello!
[12:09] <mscho> Hi!
[12:10] <hothead-jung> Hello!
[12:14] <mapreri> We are only 3 at this time, and I'm not aware of any proxy vote, so at this time we don't have a quorum.
[12:15] <mapreri> We could wait some more and see if anybody appears.  Otherwise we could either postpone this meeting, or do the vote via email only, whichever you prefer.
[12:15] <mapreri> (I love IRC, but that's just me :P)
[12:16] <Kilos> thats where I started my linux career
[12:16] <mscho> If could, next UTC+12:00 meeting, I prefer
[12:16] <hothead-jung> Since I have an appointment right after this, so if you're okay, can we choose latter?
[12:17] <youngbin> Perhaps email voting for hothead-jung?
[12:17] <Kilos> youngbin  are you here to support them?
[12:17] <hothead-jung> both are OK for me
[12:17] <youngbin> Yup :)
[12:18] <mapreri> youngbin: are you one of those that left an endorsement on their wiki page?
[12:19] <mapreri> "ybhan, I guess ^^
[12:19] <youngbin> mapereri: Yes, I left some testimonials for them :)
[12:19] <hothead-jung> yes :)
[12:19] <mscho> mapereri: yes, correct
[12:20] <mapreri> thank you for also attending the meeting, these days it's relatively rare for people to support applications on IRC as well.  I remember the times where supporters would spam the channel lol
[12:20] <youngbin> Haha
[12:20] <hothead-jung> lol
[12:21] <mapreri> so well, email or IRC on 16th August?
[12:21] <mscho> Both okay.
[12:21] <hothead-jung> email
[12:22] <mscho> I think I can attend in IRC on 16th August.
[12:22] <mapreri> alright, let's reschedule them that way, hothead-jung via email (will notify via mail later the start of voting) and mscho next month.
[12:22] <hothead-jung> Okay
[12:23] <mscho> Okay
[12:24] <mapreri> OOI; seeing you are both from South Korea, do you know each other in RL? :)
[12:24] <Bashing-om> mapreri: +1 from me on re-schedules.
[12:24] <youngbin> mapreri: We're all from Korean LoCo :)
[12:24] <mapreri> and do you also physically meet over there? ^^
[12:24] <hothead-jung> Yes, by Ubuntu Korean LoCo team. I've been there since 2015.
[12:24] <hothead-jung> for online forum activity, since 2010 I guess..
[12:25] <hothead-jung> we had periodical meeting before the pandemic :)
[12:25] <mapreri> those are nice ^^
[12:25] <mscho> mapreri: Yes, I first met hothead-jung in RL this year :)
[12:25] <hothead-jung> oh, he's right, I met him first in this year
[12:26] <hothead-jung> due to the long pandemic :(
[12:26] <hothead-jung> so how will the interview work via an email?
[12:27] <hothead-jung> or just vote via email after realtime interview?
[12:27] <mapreri> pretty much, yes.  we just copy over the IRC "template" in an email, or such.
[12:27] <mapreri> it does take longer but well
[12:28] <mscho> mapreri: It seems like a rolling-papers
[12:28] <mapreri> mscho: it pretty much is 🤭
[12:29] <hothead-jung> so I will receive email soon w/ templates?
[12:30] <mapreri> yep
[12:30] <hothead-jung> since your response was very quick after second chat I can't get the context
[12:30] <mapreri> I'm writing it right now ^^
[12:30] <hothead-jung> okay I guess
[12:31] <hothead-jung> thank you :)
[12:31] <Kilos> Sorry guys
[12:32] <mscho> nevermind
[12:32] <mapreri> mhhh, I wonder if my email with from: @ubuntu.com will reach your @gmail.com address...
[12:32]  * Kilos hangs his head in shame
[12:32] <hothead-jung> No problem,
[12:32] <hothead-jung> it will reach with no problem
[12:32] <hothead-jung> I will check spam inbox as well
[12:33] <mapreri> well, recently (past ~3 years) gmail just straight discards some of my mails when I use @ubuntu.com :(
[12:33] <mapreri> forget spam…
[12:34] <Bashing-om> mapreri: Google can recieve - no can send from our ubuntu accounts :(
[12:35] <Kilos> I tried doing tghe alias thing in gmail but got nowhere
[12:36] <youngbin> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2hOJhpqF/image.png
[12:37] <youngbin> In my case, Sending from ubuntu.com on gmail alias seems to be working...
[12:37] <mapreri> yeah, gmail rejected the mail
[12:38] <Kilos> youngbin  can you email and explain in detail how you got it to work
[12:38] <mapreri> (fyi: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8b5fbc49/)
[12:38] <Kilos> english, I am old and stupid
[12:38] <mapreri> youngbin: right, but I don't want to use gmail's own smtp for this
[12:39] <mapreri> I'm trying ever so hard to detach myself from google (and failing), sooooo :S
[12:39] <Kilos> here is fenris
[12:40] <fenris[m]1> o/
[12:40] <Kilos> hi fenris[m]1
[12:40] <Kilos> Bashing-om  we can go quick
[12:40] <fenris[m]1> sorry .. just arrived home ..
[12:40]  * fenris[m]1 reviewing the candidates
[12:41] <mapreri> uh, I just sent the email for hothead-jung vote
[12:41] <mapreri> Kilos, Bashing-om: should we try and start the meeting now that fenris[m]1 arrived?
[12:42] <Kilos> mapreri  we  can start I think
[12:42] <mscho> Wow
[12:42] <mapreri> alright
[12:43] <mapreri> let's be quick, also because hothead-jung mentioned he needs to go right at end
[12:43] <mapreri> I'll chair?
[12:43] <Kilos> go mapreri
[12:43] <mapreri> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:43] <meetingology> Meeting started at 12:43:39 UTC.  The chair is mapreri.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[12:43] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[12:43] <mapreri> #voters Kilos Bashing-om fenris[m]1 mapreri
[12:43] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Kilos, fenris[m]1, mapreri
[12:44] <mapreri> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 2023-07-19.  The wiki page for the Review Boards is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:44] <mapreri> We will attempt to get through all the applicants that have added themselves to that list, or posted a thread to the Ubuntu Discourse, before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the complete list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:44] <mapreri> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:44] <mapreri> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page or Ubuntu Discourse thread. After the introduction, the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:44] <mapreri> During this time, it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:44] <mapreri> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If most of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (Feel free congratulate them!)
[12:44] <mapreri> Now, with any further ado, let's get started with the first applicant...
[12:44] <mapreri> mscho: since hothead-jung mentioned he needs to go, do you mind if we go first with him?
[12:44] <mapreri> (despite what I just wrote…)
[12:44] <Kilos> go
[12:44] <mscho> mapreri: of course
[12:45] <mapreri> # topic Hoehyeong Jung
[12:45] <mapreri> #topic Hoehyeong Jung
[12:45] <mapreri> hothead-jung: could you please introduce yourself?
[12:46] <youngbin> Oh my... hothead-jung just told me he's on video call with his work collegue...
[12:46] <mapreri> uh
[12:46] <mapreri> let's go with mscho then, and circle back if he is available.  apologizes for us being late :(
[12:47] <fenris[m]1> shall we go with another candidate 1st ? then go back to jung?
[12:47] <mscho> Okay
[12:47] <mapreri> #topic Minseong Cho
[12:48] <mscho> So, is it okay to introduce myself?
[12:48] <mapreri> yes please
[12:48] <mapreri> (I'm reading your wiki page a bit better than what I did yesterday…)
[12:48] <mscho> Hi, my name is Minseong Cho.
[12:49] <mscho> I first met Ubuntu(Bionic) in 2019, transit from Zorin OS, and joined Korean LoCo last year.
[12:49] <mscho> Cause of organizing UbuCon Asia 2022.
[12:49] <mscho> Before 2022, I never knew Ubuntu LoCo in Korea.
[12:50] <mscho> But after that, It has been fun to meet koreans who use ubuntu (or other linux dists.) and talk about favorite.
[12:50] <mapreri> I have one question for you: you current contributions seems to pretty much be be limited to event organization and general admin work within the LoCo.   :D
[12:52] <mscho> Oh, I worked as DevOps engineer and finding next job. My contribution will be expanded with application usage in Korean posting
[12:52] <mscho> and...
[12:53] <mscho> What you said, external contributors? are new comer of Korean LoCo?
[12:54] <mapreri> yes
[12:55] <mapreri> (BTW, I heard incredibly great things about UbuCon Asia 2022, so the fact that you helped making that one possible is amazing!)
[12:55] <fenris> i second to that :)
[12:55] <mscho> Yes, In Daegu(City), I talked with who interested in. so he will be presenter of Ubucon Korea this year!
[12:56] <mscho> (Oh, He is candidate presenter :) )
[12:57] <mscho> and.. Who I met in UbuCon Asia last year, Two of new organizors came to our LoCo this year.
[12:58] <fenris> good to hear that @mscho
[12:58] <mscho> (BTW, I'm not graphic designer, but I worked graphic things over night)
[12:58] <mscho> (all for success of UbuCon Asia 2022)
[12:58] <youngbin> mscho: You used Gimp, inkscape to design things right?
[12:59] <mscho> Yes.... Gimp is familiar cause I used in military...
[12:59] <mapreri> Alright, I think we are ready to vote here ^^
[12:59] <mscho> But Inkscape was first use
[12:59] <mapreri> #vote Membership for Minseong Cho
[12:59] <meetingology> Please vote on: Membership for Minseong Cho
[12:59] <fenris> @mscho : r u still the organizer for next coming ubucon kr?
[12:59] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[13:00] <mscho> fenris: if you said UbuCon Korea 2023, yes
[13:00] <mscho> next year, I could handle it, I think
[13:00] <Kilos> +1
[13:00] <meetingology> +1 received from Kilos
[13:00] <Bashing-om> +1 Time in and continued contributions
[13:00] <meetingology> +1 Time in and continued contributions received from Bashing-om
[13:02] <fenris> +1 hope to see more and continuos contributions in the future
[13:02] <fenris[m]1> +1 hope to see more and continuos contributions in the future
[13:02] <meetingology> +1 hope to see more and continuos contributions in the future received from fenris[m]1
[13:02] <mapreri> +1 - honestly I'm a bit conflicted.  Your profile is clearly strong, but I feel like your contributions are not spread enough (it really feels like *only* admin work).  Clearly not a requirement, but I'd prefer to see more varied stuff.  Especially when combined with the short time since you got involved, I find myself wondering if you'll really stick to your involvement.  But still, the process doesn't let me vote +0.5, so +1 it is :P
[13:02] <meetingology> +1 - honestly I'm a bit conflicted.  Your profile is clearly strong, but I feel like your contributions are not spread enough (it really feels like *only* admin work).  Clearly not a requirement, but I'd prefer to see more varied stuff.  Especially when combined with the short time since you got involved, I find myself wondering if you'll really stick to your involvement.  But still, the process doesn't let me vote +0.5, so +1 it is
[13:03] <mapreri> #endovote
[13:03] <mapreri> mhh
[13:03] <mscho> Wow thanks XD
[13:03] <mapreri> meetingology: endovote
[13:03] <mapreri> …
[13:04] <mapreri> mscho: the bot doesn't want you
[13:04] <mscho> mapreri: Ubuntu LoCo is my home
[13:04] <Kilos> endvote isnt it
[13:04] <mapreri> #endvote
[13:04] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Membership for Minseong Cho
[13:04] <fenris[m]1> typo on endvote
[13:04] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[13:04] <meetingology> Motion carried
[13:04] <mapreri> I didn't see the typo sorry :P
[13:04] <mapreri> mscho: congratulation!
[13:04] <Kilos> np. congrats mscho
[13:04] <mscho> Thanks everyone!
[13:05] <fenris[m]1> congrats! mscho
[13:05] <mscho> I want to show my passion with Ubuntu in continue
[13:05] <Bashing-om> congrats too mscho - well done :D
[13:05] <mapreri> now, do you think hothead-jung is available, or too late?
[13:05] <mapreri> youngbin: ↑
[13:06] <Kilos> hothead-jung  you still here?
[13:06] <fenris[m]1> mscho: thumbs up!
[13:06] <mapreri> mscho: totally.  That's a great starting point.  And the membership is not a goal, but just a bit of recognition and a tool to make your contributions better and better! :)
[13:06] <mscho> He seems in meeting now and not ended. He is still here but cannot chat...
[13:06] <mapreri> Guess we will follow via email then
[13:07] <mscho> mapreri: thanks for advice
[13:07] <mapreri> # topic Final words
[13:07] <mapreri> Congratulations to all the new members. Don't forget to check the perks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks and once you've been added to the members group remember to apply for your certificate at https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/ (1/2)
[13:07] <mapreri> Your @ubuntu.com email address will go live within 48 hours. Do NOT set it as your primary launchpad.net email address because that will cause emails to loop forever and you'll never receive them! (2/2)
[13:07] <youngbin> Sorry, Seems like hothead-jung is still on work meeting. He wants email vote instead :(
[13:07] <mapreri> mscho: I already added you to the launchpad team.
[13:07] <mscho> fenris: XD
[13:08] <mscho> mapreri: thanks very much
[13:08] <mapreri> Can somebody else from the board take the task of sending the post-meeting mail?  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards/HelpfulDocumentation/PostMeetingEmail)
[13:08] <youngbin> A bit late, but Congrats mscho :) Agreed with mapreri. Would be nice if mscho can also contribute on other area also, such as l10n :)
[13:09] <fenris[m]1> debug and report bugs :)
[13:09] <mapreri> youngbin: another possibility (that is where I started actually, but came to hate it over time) is also user support :)
[13:09] <mscho> youngbin: thanks for applause
[13:09] <youngbin> He's already doing some user support on discourse.ubuntu-kr.org i belive. is it? @mscho
[13:09] <mapreri> well, he is already approved, so it doesn't matter anymore :P
[13:09] <mscho> youngbin: yes in Korean LoCo's discourse
[13:10] <mscho> mapreri: XD
[13:10] <youngbin> Haha congrats once again :)
[13:10] <mapreri> well, for you future friends, if you do user support in a relevant volume, that's definitely something to mention amongst your contributions :)
[13:10] <fenris[m]1> user support is good too .. helps the new comers
[13:11] <mapreri> well, let's wrap up here.
[13:11] <mapreri> #endmeeting
[13:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 13:11:30 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-07-19-12.43.moin.txt
[13:11] <mapreri> thank you for everybody attending!  And apologizes hothead-jung that we couldn't handle your application too.
[13:12] <mscho> Ubuntu mainly users are rare in Korea. XD but I'll try.
[13:12] <fenris> thanks everybody !
[13:12] <mscho> mapreri: thanks everybody for attending today!
[13:13] <youngbin> Thanks all! Oh, If possible. is it still possible to process hothead-jung application with email vote?
[13:13] <mapreri> youngbin: we will (I also already sent the email before fenrir joined here)
[13:13] <youngbin> Thank you @mapreri :) I'll inform him about that
[13:13] <mapreri> one reason I don't particularly like the email vote is that it happens in a private ML (CCed to the applicant), so it's less transparent… :|
[13:14] <mapreri> he should have received the mail (from my @mapreri.org address, gmail bounced back my mail from @ubuntu.com)
[13:15] <mapreri> I'm going afk.  everybody take care! o/
[13:15] <Kilos> ty mapreri
[13:16] <Bashing-om> ty mapreri
[13:16] <mscho> mapreri: Good Bye!
[13:18] <mscho> ty mapreri kilos bashing-om fenris and youngbin, have a good day!
[13:19] <Kilos> ty mscho    you too
[13:19] <fenris> u r most welcome , congrats again! take care