[01:35] <Unit193><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the new hostmask.
[02:15] <valorie> lovely person, that


[06:54] <asterismo> hi people
[06:54] <asterismo> i need help with a bug
[06:54] <asterismo> i need to apply a patch
[06:54] <asterismo> posted in ubuntu bugs
[06:55] <asterismo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/874774
[06:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874774 in cryptsetup "could not mount /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" [High,Triaged]
[06:57] <asterismo> anyone?
[06:57] <asterismo> when i apply a patch it returns me an error
[06:57] <asterismo> at some line
[07:04] <ThoughtCog> Hey everybody. Got a question if you got a minute.
[09:23] <jAguAr`> is there a way to connect my ubuntu desktop system to my dish network box and my ps3 via my router?
[13:19] <Juggernaut> Hey. Can someone tell me why this keeps happening-> http://i.imgur.com/CPAim.png
[13:19] <Juggernaut> I keep changing the background color to black, and it reverts on its own after a while
[13:20] <raydog45000> Hello I'm trying to set up user accounts I use useradd -m -k /home/john john but when I log in it just has a $ symbol doesn't say the account or computer name and when I try to access the home directory it says permission denied, any idea why?
[13:38] <geirha> raydog45000: Don't use useradd, use adduser instead
[13:38] <raydog45000> i thought they are the same
[13:38] <geirha> confusing naming, I know, but they are not the same
[13:38] <raydog45000> adduser is a link to useradd
[13:39] <geirha> No it isn't
[13:39] <geirha> Not by default anyway
[13:40] <geirha> Juggernaut: Could be a graphical glitch with Unity. Hard to say.
[13:41] <Juggernaut> Hmm
[13:42] <geirha> I'd log out and log back in using Unity 2D session instead of the default, see if it's reproducable there.
[13:42] <Juggernaut> Okay, will do
[13:43] <raydog45000> geirha: thanks that worked, The Linux System Admin book I've been looking at literally says adduser is just a symbolic link to useradd guess not. lol
[13:43] <geirha> raydog45000: On some distos, that may very well be the case, but not in Ubuntu.
[13:43] <geirha> *distros
[13:43] <raydog45000> oh ok
[13:44] <geirha> adduser is more advanced, and it has a configfile at /etc/adduser.conf for setting default group memberships and such
[13:44] <raydog45000> When I log into the new user the directories aren't blue, anyidea why? or is it a setting.
[13:45] <geirha> Remove the # in front of  #force_color_prompt=yes  in ~/.bashrc
[13:46] <geirha> ~/.bashrc is copied from /etc/skel/.bashrc when the user is created, so change /etc/skel/.bashrc if you want it to be the default for all new users.
[13:46] <Juggernaut> geirha: Its not reproducible with unity 2d.
[13:47] <Juggernaut> Must be a unity thing
[13:47] <raydog45000> ok
[13:49] <geirha> Juggernaut: When it happens, look at the last few lines in ~/.xsession-errors, it'll likely have some error message that could explain why it's happening.
[13:49] <Juggernaut> Okay, will do. Thanks
[13:53] <raydog45000> umm I can't find bash in /
[13:55] <geirha> $ type bash
[13:55] <geirha> bash is hashed (/bin/bash)
[14:07] <raydog45000> how do I uninstall in commandl ine
[14:07] <zombifier> uninstall what
[14:08] <raydog45000> mpg123
[14:09] <geirha> sudo apt-get remove mpg321
[14:09] <geirha> dpkg -S bin/mpg123   should tell you what package installed it; in this case mpg321
[14:13] <raydog45000> hmmm now mpg321 is throwing errors when I try to use it
[14:14] <raydog45000> ALSA lib pcm.c:2212:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.front
[14:28] <pip__> Hi, if I'm installing an app from a tar.gz at which point do I issue make uninstall?  Or would using checkinstall be a btter option?
[17:13] <asterismo> hi people
[17:13] <asterismo> can anyone help me to apply a patch?
[17:15] <asterismo> i'm bein affected by this bu
[17:15] <asterismo> bug
[17:15] <asterismo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/874774
[17:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874774 in cryptsetup "could not mount /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" [High,Triaged]
[17:17] <escott> asterismo, see comment #10
[17:27] <JoseeAntonioR> asterismo: As escott said, check comment #10
[17:29] <asterismo> i tried that
[17:30] <asterismo> but i get a hunk error
[17:30] <asterismo> at line
[17:30] <asterismo> 641 do not remember well
[17:31] <asterismo> JoseeAntinioR
[17:31] <asterismo> that command is one liner
[17:31] <asterismo> that command is one line right?
[17:32] <JoseeAntonioR> asterismo: Yes, it's a one-line command.
[17:33] <asterismo> another question
[17:33] <asterismo> whwre is the patch to download
[17:34] <escott> asterismo, then your patch doesn't apply. you will have to manually merge it
[17:36] <asterismo> is there any editor like vi or nano that shows the line i'm in?
[17:36] <escott> vi can show line numbers
[17:36] <asterismo> because i have to navigate to line 641 and i do not see the line number with vi or nano
[17:36] <escott> asterismo, open vi and type [ESC]:641[ENTER]
[17:37] <Unit193> And nano  it's alt+g
[17:37] <escott> asterismo, ":set number" to show all numbers
[17:38] <asterismo> never hand-patched a script before
[17:38] <asterismo> kinda scary
[17:40] <asterismo> at least i have my terminal prompt and network enabled in recovery mode
[17:40] <asterismo> i'll try another time applying the patch... but i do not think it will work
[17:41] <asterismo> anyway... what's the story about patching by hand a script?
[17:41] <asterismo> which is the first line? i see the patch starts with other lines of stuff
[17:45] <escott> asterismo, those are context lines, the +/-s indicate what goes in and comes out the @@ indicate line numbers
[17:46] <asterismo> but what is the starting line number and what is the first line of the patch
[17:46] <asterismo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86703313/0001-LP874774-Use-DEVLINKS-to-match-crypttab-entries.patch
[17:46] <asterismo> that patch
[17:47] <asterismo> lines which says From, Date...
[17:47] <asterismo> that is the header
[17:47] <asterismo> there is an @@ line
[17:48] <asterismo> is the following line the first code line to replace?
[17:48] <escott> asterismo, note the 7 insertions and the 7 lines that begin with +
[17:49] <asterismo> yes
[17:49] <asterismo> the first + is the one starting replacing?
[17:50] <escott> asterismo, the + lines are added between the non+ lines
[17:51] <asterismo> oh ok
[17:51] <asterismo> another question
[17:51] <asterismo> i executed the patch command in comment #10
[17:52] <asterismo> but it returned me hunk error at line 1
[17:52] <asterismo> so i added the parameter --ignore-whitespace
[17:52] <asterismo> and the patch added but with this message
[17:53] <asterismo> Hunk #1 secceeded at 598 with fuzz 2 (offset -43 lines)
[17:53] <asterismo> is that right?
[17:54] <asterismo> does it mean that i applied the patch with a difference in 43 lines?
[17:57] <escott> asterismo, sounds like a reasonable interpretation
[18:01] <asterismo> well the patch did not worked
[18:01] <asterismo> my machine did not boot


[17:24] <studio-user328> hello
[17:34] <yag1064> I want to upgrade to 16.10 from 16.04. Not sure how to run the iso. Can anyone help?
[17:41] <sakrecoer> yag1064: when you boot from the Live ISO on a USB you get the option to upgrade your exisiting install :)
[17:41] <sakrecoer> that should be it...
[17:41] <sakrecoer> yag1064: don't forget to backup your disk first: better safe then sorry
[17:42] <yag1064> ok, thank you have a good day
[20:09] <studio-user319> Hello peoples!)
[21:18] <studio-dogoec> hola
[21:18] <studio-dogoec> !!


 @wxl [<wxl> ^ there's a fun job for you @The_LoudSpeaker — get rid of all of those (an …], Noted. I will add it to to-do list.
 @WHenJokersAttack [<WHenJokersAttack> workaround found: "install along another os" and resize the o …], That's a very very ugly hack. What's the need for such a workaround?
[07:39] <lynorian> that is still an install fail bug if reproduceable
 Link to the bug. I'd like to try to reproduce it in a vm.
 I want to try an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but the lxde to lxqt upgrade tips aren't in the current manual anymore. I think we should include it agian for pepaole who will want to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 with a strong reminder that's not supported. What do you think @lynorian ?
 @HMollerCl [I want to try an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but the lxde to lxqt upgrade tips …], +1
 it ask for a replacemente in etc/systctl.conf
[18:16] <wxl> heh looks like kde wants to copy a kvantum theme https://phabricator.kde.org/T10891
 Standup?
[21:23] <wxl> oh ho
[21:23]  * guiverc dodm
[21:23] <wxl> !standup
[21:23]  * guiverc didn't realize it was a friday (my local)
[21:25] <guiverc> o/
[21:26] <wxl> seems like that may be all of us
 o/ ( driving, I will be here in about 10 minutes closing parenthesis
[21:27] <wxl> got anything to say, guiverc ?
[21:27] <guiverc> not for meeting, for you when you have a free time I'll go over testcases with you & issues (not now, next week is probably best; cold/flu thingy now)
[21:28] <guiverc> You can pick the when, I'll do my best to fit in..
[21:28] <wxl> yes that sounds fine with me. meanwhile i wish you much health and more koalas :(
[21:28] <guiverc> :)  esp. at koalas
 10 minutes works for me too
[21:29] <wxl> also we need to check to see about that complaint up there about the daily failing to create the partition
[21:30] <wxl> so i guess i'll wait the ten minutes :)
[21:30] <guiverc> which one?   leok & I get on specific hardware?
 I tested a virtual box install on EFI and had success
[21:31] <wxl> maybe it's bios
[21:33] <guiverc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1851188 ?
[21:35] <wxl> that sounds right yes
[21:37] <guiverc> (I believe i tried xubuntu & ubuntu; no issues on that box; alas I didn't comment in bug report so I can do again if useful -- i'll have commented on iso.qa.ubu but I'd not know how to find there easily)
[21:37] <wxl> i see it's been reported many times http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1851188
[21:38] <guiverc> but I test on a what I consider similiar box (hp not dell) & no issues...
[21:38] <wxl> i note that reporter claims to have the issue with efi too
[21:39] <wxl> sounds like the issue only exists if a previous partition exists
[21:39] <guiverc> I haven't had any issues on my uefi ultracrap thingy; but it's my only uefi
[21:40] <guiverc> Yep - my conclusion too
[21:40] <tsimonq2> Alright, I'm here.
[21:41] <wxl> so yeah i think if we could all jump on that and investigate further, it would be helpful
[21:41] <guiverc> possibly of note:  that box has dead battery; could a BAD battery (invalid data) be possible cause?  I tried setting time before a test as I recall
[21:41] <wxl> i think since we can say it's not happening with ubiquity, calamares is most likely to blame so i'll triage it accordingly
[21:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nope.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: kpmcore.
[21:42] <wxl> wellllllll
[21:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: I just adjusted that as such.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I think it has to be a kpmcore thing/
[21:42] <tsimonq2> s/
[21:42] <tsimonq2> argh you get it
[21:43] <tsimonq2> Well, can we reproduce this?
[21:43] <tsimonq2> How certain are we that the drive they're trying to install it on isn't dead?
[21:43] <wxl> well they did bare metal and virtual on multiple devices
[21:44] <wxl> AND nio confirmed it
[21:44] <tsimonq2> Ouch.
[21:44] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[21:44] <wxl> brb
[21:44] <gsilvapt> howdy guys o/
[21:45] <kc2bez> Oh geez, I did my test on a fresh VM, I will look a bit further too.
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Hey gsilvapt! Long time no see!
[21:46] <gsilvapt> hey, tsimonq2. Happy New Year! :) long time indeed
[21:46] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: You should totally start contributing again. ;)
[21:47] <guiverc> o/ gsilvapt
[21:47] <gsilvapt> That's why I'm here. Not sure if you have been following the discussions on the forums but yea, I'm curious
 @HMollerCl [I want to try an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but the lxde to lxqt upgrade tips …], Yes I still have a branch with old versions saved for those purposes
[21:47] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Are you around to do some infra work?
[21:48] <kc2bez> I am.
[21:48] <gsilvapt> Plus, since I spent the last two years working on my software development skills, hopefully some of that will be useful here :)
[21:48] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: I'll admit I haven't been as of lately.
 nice to see you back gsilivapt
[21:48] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Cool. I'd like to remove Bionic from CI now.
[21:48] <gsilvapt> thanks, lynorian :)
[21:49] <kc2bez> Ok, let me know what you need from me tsimonq2
[21:49] <gsilvapt> After Ubucon Portugal and Ubucon Europe, I knew my place is a bit more technical. I just never dedicated too much time to it. I guess I have to be more patient this time :)
[21:49] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: I'll put this in a Phab document as I go along, but I'll let you do the majority of the work so I know this is documented correctly.
 did you get burned out on documentation?
[21:50] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: We'll be patient with you if you stick around, definitely. :)
[21:50] <kc2bez> Ok thanks tsimonq2
[21:50] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, definitely not your fault :)
[21:50] <tsimonq2> kc2bez, gsilvapt: No worries. :)
[21:51] <gsilvapt> lynorian, I wouldn't say burned out. I want to contribute to the distro itself and I feel more motivated that way
[21:51] <wxl> welcome gsilvapt :)
[21:51] <gsilvapt> I need all those packaging links again, tsimonq2 :D
[21:51] <gsilvapt> I have some reading to do
[21:51] <gsilvapt> wxl, thanks!
 I'm online now
[21:52] <wxl> @tsimonq2: the error involves an sfdisk command. might not be kpmcore after all.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: Maybe, maybe not. Try checking for new changes in the past week or two in the package that provides sfdisk.
[21:53] <wxl> tsimonq2: we do have a new major version of kpmcore in focal, fwiw
[21:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: If it's a change in the sfdisk package, it might be kpmcore using deprecated arguments or something similar.
[21:53] <kc2bez> kpmcore provides sfdisk
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Oh, really?
[21:53] <wxl> oh ho
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Well, there we are.
[21:53] <kc2bez> libkpmcore8 specifically
[21:53] <tsimonq2> My next step would be to check the diff.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpmcore -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpmcore/4.0.1-2 -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/448902540/kpmcore_3.3.0-5_4.0.1-2.diff.gz
[21:54]  * guiverc thinks (if workable) you create a few commands that I can test on a daily to confirm/disprove theories maybe?  ie. boot daily, execute commands, try calamares?  useful?
[21:54] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Correct, but I'm not sure we're at that stage yet.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> I'm curious what got this to broke.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> Perhaps kpmcore is a build-time library for Calamares and when Calamares got updated recently, building against the new kpmcore fu'bared it.
[21:55] <wxl> possibly related https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1170
[21:56] <wxl> two scary words: "race condition"
[21:56] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 <- yeah, that was recent.
[21:56] <tsimonq2> My next step is looking at the build logs for <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 and <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1^ to compare kpmcore build versions.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Nope, RikMills ncr'ed it, and we have the new kpmcore.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Get:459 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu focal-proposed/universe amd64 libkpmcore8 amd64 4.0.1-2 [574 kB]
[21:58] <tsimonq2> That was working before.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> So it has to be in Calamares itself. The timeline fits.
 What did I break?
[22:00] <kc2bez> I uploaded on the 26th
[22:00] <kc2bez> I think you are off the hook @RikMills
[22:00] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Nothing in particular, actually the opposite.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Can you *consistently* reproduce this?
[22:01] <guiverc> Yep..  (on one box)
[22:01] <tsimonq2> Nice, okay.
[22:04]  * guiverc has started daily zsync - i'll test it again (~15-20 mins); bet they'll be an extra entry in wxl's list given earlier..
[22:05] <wxl> looks like [ade] is working on it https://github.com/calamares/calamares/commit/743530607282334d9f2b1f0b7cd4731306ee3fe5
[22:09] <wxl> maybe we could do no-change rebuild against the kpmcore 3 api?
[22:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's technically a change. :P
[22:12] <tsimonq2> wxl, guiverc: Discussing with [ade] in #calamares; I'd appreciate it if both of you could help coordinate with me there.
[22:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: looks like manjaro can "fix" the problem doing as such https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1174
[22:12] <tsimonq2> guiverc: One potential solution is to try uninstalling os-prober prior to the install; if that does the trick, let me know.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: Oh yeah?
[22:14] <kc2bez> Trying another install on an EFI VM right now, will report my findings.
[22:14] <guiverc> tsimonq2, will do  -- I'll start doing nothing, then apt remove os-prober, want me to logout/login before starting calamares again?
[22:14] <tsimonq2> guiverc: No need.
[22:14] <guiverc> start - as in normal install.  thanks
[22:14] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Thank *you*!
[22:15] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: The first step when you have a chance is to remove "bionic" from this list: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/browse/master/ci.conf$7
[22:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Also do a manual check of the entries below to see if we have any manually-overridden releases that specifically are there to exclude Bionic.
[22:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: I see one of them. :)
[22:17] <kc2bez> You mean the one at the top?
[22:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so since the fix is going to come from cala, ultimately, i'm going to reassign
[22:18] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Yeah.
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL055fb7996dc9: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL055fb7996dc9
[22:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ack.
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Lugito is back.
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9db654ecb75c: Add note on why to give description] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9db654ecb75c
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Prepare for the associated spam. ;)
[22:18] <wxl> oh no
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Oh yes.
[22:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2829
[22:19] <kc2bez> Calamares releases "focal", "eoan"
[22:19] <tsimonq2> Yep, just make sure to keep the brackets. :)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> Wait.
[22:19] <tsimonq2> Yeah, just remove that line.
[22:19] <tsimonq2> I catch your drift now.
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb11d617cd05a: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb11d617cd05a
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGc0bc4051350c: Package Calamares for new upstream release.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGc0bc4051350c
[22:20] <kc2bez> btw no issues with my VM install.
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL623a25726a89: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL623a25726a89
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbfffbc8c280a: Actually explain what Alternatives configurator does in summary] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbfffbc8c280a
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL16769e378efb: Add Printers icon description] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL16769e378efb
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf5a905b5035a: Minor reword] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf5a905b5035a
[22:21] <wxl> @kc2bez: see here for tips on trying to reproduce https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1170
[22:21] <kc2bez> wxl: ack
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7b8015ebc6f1: Minor reword] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7b8015ebc6f1
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAd5fbbc481817: Added lubuntu-grub-theme and fonts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAd5fbbc481817
[22:22] <guiverc> current daily, check disc for defects good, test install on box & sfdisk failure  (reproducable)
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1c9c333e5424: Reword order of section] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1c9c333e5424
[22:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL072b90b98a99: Describe icon for screensaver] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL072b90b98a99
[22:23] <wxl> good
[22:24] <wxl> so now try it again but first twith os-prober removed
[22:25] <wxl> so when did we want to do this standup again? XD
[22:25] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:25] <tsimonq2> I don't really have anything.
[22:26] <guiverc> os-prober caused calamares to be removed too :(  (ps: box is in another room)
[22:26] <wxl> oh fooey
[22:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Updated the infra doc to include instructions for poking Lugito SO Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO BOTHER ME ANYMORE.
[22:26] <wxl> yeah it's required
[22:26] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:26] <tsimonq2> Aw man.
[22:26] <kc2bez> XD
[22:26] <wxl> ok so nevermind the os-prober thing
[22:27] <wxl> there's the whole `udevadm settle` thing but the way it sounds to me, that's someone stepping through the code
[22:27] <wxl> let's just leave it i think
[22:28] <wxl> ok so i'll do some stuff
[22:28] <kc2bez> tsimonq2: just to confirm you want me to remove the hardcoded releases for calamares and bionic from the default releases.
[22:28] <wxl> been having fun with appstream https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/fake-firefox-in-app-store/646/2
[22:28] <wxl> tl;dr discover shows multiple versions of packages because the appstream metadata (you know, the universal metadata) is all screwed up, even within the same developer
[22:29] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Correct. Anything manually specified by a package is overriding the default that's at the top. If you just remove bionic from the top, the manual override for that specific package is redundant.
[22:29] <wxl> somehow curiously appstream (i think) is also to blame for this discover bug that seems to be specific to turkish https://bugs.launchpad.net/discover/+bug/1858011
[22:30] <wxl> i was digging deeper into that and the MDB_BAD_VALSIZE error is one from LMDB (which i admit i didn't even know about) so might have to do somehow with storage of data. i still don't get how.
[22:31] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: So, CI regenerates jobs every night (or so) using that configuration. Now it won't actually apply any configuration changes or such to Bionic, and it won't trigger any Bionic builds, but (once that's committed and pushed) we need to manually purge the leftover jobs.
[22:31] <wxl> guiverc and i are still working on new testcases; hopefully we'll get the big chunk of them installed asap https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[22:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[22:31] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: When you're ready for that, let me know.
[22:32] <wxl> i dug back up the problem with the runner shortcut and i'm still waiting from @The_LoudSpeaker to make the upstream issue (i think) https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[22:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Fixed runner's default shortcut.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[22:33] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: When you're ready, all* of our packaging documentation is here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/
[22:33] <tsimonq2> (And in sub-pages, of course.)
[22:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATA60a37238eef6: Remove bionic from ci.conf] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA60a37238eef6
[22:33] <wxl> someone revealed that the compose key (and other xkeyboard-config options) are not easy to set in lxqt https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-set-up-compose-key/514 so i made an upstream issue
[22:33] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: CI commit> LGTM, nice work.
[22:34] <wxl> and most importantly, i helped install @The_LoudSpeaker as Lubuntu Developer Number Four!!!!!!!
[22:34] <wxl> the only question remaining: who will be the final member of the top five????
[22:34]  * wxl pokes @HMollerCl
[22:34] <kc2bez> ^
[22:35] <kc2bez> ready for the next step tsimonq2
[22:35]  * tsimonq2 joins wxl in poking @HMollerCl
[22:35] <wxl> in other news i'll point out i saw this bug in eoan and focal about pulse switching automatically to hdmi audio which most folks have on modern machines but rarely do they use it by default.. this may be the cause of some sound issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1847570
[22:36] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Go ahead and SSH into the infra and tmux attach, I'll be waiting with an open tmux window. :)
[22:36] <wxl> that's all i got
[22:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: I've experienced that before and I loathe it.
[22:36] <wxl> gsilvapt: come in here and ask ANY questions about packaging. there's a bunch of us that can help out. feel free to telegram if you prefer.
[22:36] <tsimonq2> ^^^^
[22:36] <tsimonq2> We're here to help.
[22:37] <wxl> although we all have our own opinions on how to do things
[22:37]  * tsimonq2 kicks wxl for keeping trailing whitespace in changelogs.
[22:37] <tsimonq2> grr
[22:37] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:38] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Okay, so I'll let you do the work but I'll keep an eye on things.
[22:38]  * wxl lifts tsimonq2's leg up as it extends towards him, thereby flipping him over into a confused mess on the floor
[22:38] <kc2bez> ok
[22:38] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Go ahead and lxc shell into the jenkins container
[22:38] <wxl> anyone got anything else for the standup?
[22:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Or that thing you can do to literally kick someone's butt. XD
[22:39] <wxl> heheheh only you simon XD
[22:40] <kc2bez> I don't have much to add, uploaded cala obviously ;) not too much other than that.
[22:40] <wxl> OH SO IT"s ALL YOUR FAULT
[22:41]  * kc2bez hangs head
[22:41] <kc2bez> yup
[22:41] <wxl> :) couldn't have known
[22:41] <kc2bez> I know I was only half taking blame
[22:42] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: su jenkins, pwd to see where you are (for reference's sake), and cd into jobs (ls after)
[22:43] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: (Should have said ~/jobs, oops.)
[22:43] <kc2bez> yes
[22:43] <kc2bez> jenkins doesn't have any permissions at root ;)
[22:44] <tsimonq2> ;)
[22:44] <tsimonq2> We're in /var/lib/jenkins as the jenkins user, which is where we need to be.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> ~/jobs has one directory per job with config etc.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> Basically, cd into ~/jobs and rm -rf *bionic* XD
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Whenever you're ready to pull the trigger, go for it
[22:48] <kc2bez> ok that looks better
[22:49] <tsimonq2> Definitely.
[22:49] <wxl> gsilvapt: one other thing i'll mention is that we now have developers kind of spread out across time zones so you don't have to be in the us to find some help :)
[22:50] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Go ahead and log into https://ci.lubuntu.me/
[22:50] <kc2bez> already there
[22:50] <tsimonq2> You *should* have the permissions to do this. Maybe. If not I'll tweak it.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[22:52] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Can you see this? https://ci.lubuntu.me/manage
[22:52] <kc2bez> yup
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Reload configuration from disk
[22:52] <tsimonq2> And then once that's done, remove the two bionic views
 I'm online again
[22:53] <tsimonq2> Hey Hans!
 Hey
 What's up?
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Submit your developer application. XD
[22:55] <kc2bez> How exactly do you remove the view? I can see them but I don't see where to remove them.
 Jajjajj
 I need to study first
[22:55] <wxl> you already did your studies!
[22:56] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Edit view on the left pane
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Er.
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Right below that.
[22:56] <kc2bez> I found it
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[22:57] <kc2bez> There we go
[22:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALda1d05ddb057: Another minor wording fix] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALda1d05ddb057
[22:57] <tsimonq2> Sweet.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> One last thing.
[22:58] <kc2bez> go
[22:58] <tsimonq2> For each of the PPAs, remove all of the Bionic packages.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> The catch is, if you remove more than like 20 at once, it times out, and you have to check all the boxes again.
[22:59] <tsimonq2> e.g. https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable-ci/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=bionic
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Of course, stable-ci is followed by stable-ci-proposed, unstable-ci, and unstable-ci-proposed.
[23:00] <kc2bez> cool
[23:00] <tsimonq2> Yep :)
 I will be on vacations next 2 weeks
[23:08] <kc2bez> goodbye bionic. I think I go them all tsimonq2
[23:09] <kc2bez> *got
[23:10] <tsimonq2> \o/
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Confirmed. Nice work.
[23:29] <wxl> howdy!
[23:34] <kc2bez> @intrnl Welcome!
[23:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd271abf84858: Reword filtering time zones] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd271abf84858
[23:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd4dca829e5fd: Fix tab wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd4dca829e5fd


[00:00] <ToyKeeper> Well, that's exciting.  Looks like the first new dev-proposed image is a brick.
[00:00] <ToyKeeper> At least, on arale.  Looks like that stream wasn't ready to unpause yet.
[01:01] <robru> Oh my.
[06:16] <bzoltan_> robru:  Something is strange with the Vivid + Overlay PPA + Silo setup...
[06:16] <robru> bzoltan_: hm?
[06:16] <bzoltan_> robru: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12068923/
[06:17] <robru> bzoltan_: yeah the ppa is pinned, that's on purpose
[06:17] <bzoltan_> robru:  why it wants to remove pretty much all packages http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12068935/
[06:17] <robru> bzoltan_: what version of citrain tool are you using?
[06:17] <bzoltan_> robru:  how do we test?
[06:17] <bzoltan_> robru:  I d not use citrain
[06:17] <bzoltan_> tool
[06:18] <robru> bzoltan_: yeah you're gonna need the citrain tool to install from silos
[06:18] <bzoltan_> robru: why? i do not want that
[06:18] <bzoltan_> robru:  why can not I add PPAs just on any system?
[06:18] <robru> bzoltan_: why don't you want it? it automates enabling and instaling silos, precisely the problem you're having
[06:18] <bzoltan_> robru:  it used to work
[06:19] <robru> bzoltan_: I can't remember the exact reasons the overlay ppa was pinned, you'd have to ask slangasek about that. there was a reason though
[06:19] <bzoltan_> robru:  I do not want extra tools when i am comfortable with a lower layer method
[06:19] <robru> bzoltan_: well then you'll have to start pinning the silo PPAs too
[06:19] <bzoltan_> robru:  what does it mean "pinned" ?
[06:20] <robru> bzoltan_: in your first paste, there are priority numbers, eg 100, 1001, 500. if a ppa is defined to have a higher priority number, it is "pinned" and versions from there are preferred.
[06:20] <bzoltan_> robru:  right... how to pin the silo?
[06:21] <robru> bzoltan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Example_.231:_Pinning_the_ubuntu-x-swat.2Fq-lts-backport-precise_PPA pick a number higher than 1001
[06:23] <bzoltan_> robru: thanks ...
[06:24] <robru> bzoltan_: if you find that too onerous, you can install phablet-tools-citrain from phablet-tools ppa and it does this for you.
[06:25] <bzoltan_> robru:  hmm... how to say...
[06:25] <bzoltan_> robru:  I do prefer to play with the tools proven to be helpful and not blocker :)
[06:26] <bzoltan_> robru:  so if it is possible to avoid extra layers of tool then i prefer to do so
[06:27] <robru> bzoltan_: well you're welcome to do what you like, most QA people and a few devs are using this tool because it's a standard way of installing a silo, saves typing, improves consistency etc. just don't use the version in vivid because it doesn't have the fix for the issue you're seeing
[06:28] <bzoltan_> robru: I am not typing anything either :) I run the UITK test plan script and it does it all for me ... without hiting my head to the wall :)
[06:29] <robru> bzoltan_: do you have a link for that?
[06:29] <bzoltan_> robru: sure -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/tests/uitk_test_plan.sh
[06:29] <bzoltan_> robru:  I am using this tool for ages ... pretty much on a daily base.
[06:31] <robru> bzoltan_: did you just have a vacation or something? overlay ppa has been pinned for weeks now. old news
[06:31] <bzoltan_> robru: I did have vacation yes...
[06:31] <robru> bzoltan_: here's our code for pinning PPA: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/view/head:/citrain#L98
[06:32] <robru> bzoltan_: that's been necessary since may 7th actually. I dunno what  you've been doing.
[06:34] <robru> bzoltan_: your vacation was 3 months long? lol
[06:34] <robru> I don't know how you possibly didn't hit this before now.
[06:35] <bzoltan_> robru: I installed packages from silo17 just yesterday without pinning the silo
[06:35] <bzoltan_> robru:  seriously ... the mir fix I tested out of the silo... I just simple add-apt-repository and installed the package from there
[06:36] <robru> bzoltan_: have you been testing on an ancient image or something?
[06:36] <bzoltan_> robru:  no, fresh flash
[06:37] <robru> bzoltan_: well it's a mystery to me. follow up with slangasek if you want to learn more about why the overlay ppa is pinned and the implications around that
[06:38] <bzoltan_> robru:  anyhow, thanks for your help. I will carry on from here...I do not wish to bother slangasek, he is a busy  man. I trust him and you guys that you know what and why are you doing.
[06:38] <robru> bzoltan_: ok you're welcome
[07:06] <robru> queuebot: nooooo
[07:06] <robru> damn, why didn't I suppress the startup flood last time I was poking at that code...
[07:10] <tsdgeos> robru: yes please vivid+overlay for unity8's landing
[07:11] <robru> tsdgeos: ok one sec
[07:16] <Mirv> robru's day is ever shifting...
[07:16] <robru> Mirv: just one more bug!
[07:17] <robru> actually I just noticed my latest bileto rollout introduced an annoying bug, I should fix that quick
[07:18] <tsdgeos> robru: so basically i need to use https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay as destination ppa
[07:18] <tsdgeos> right?
[07:19] <robru> tsdgeos: yeah, but you need to write it as 'ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay'. if you double-click in the text-box it's offered as an autocompletion
[07:19] <robru> tsdgeos: if you click 'edit' on the row you can see the correct value. the linkified version is done for display purposes but you shouldn't enter the full URL there.
[07:19] <tsdgeos> robru: i see, only if i set vivid? what about dual, for those too?
[07:20] <robru> tsdgeos: nope, for dual leave it blank, the train is hard-coded to know that "dual" means wily main archive + vivid overlay, it's a massive corner case.
[07:20] <tsdgeos> oki
[07:29] <robru> boom
[07:33] <Mirv> corner case that's the most common case of them all :)
[07:37] <robru> Mirv: it is the world's greatest corner case.
[07:53] <robru> Mirv: ok sweet, pagination is working: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/?limit=50&page=2&search=Landed
[07:54] <robru> Mirv: there was a bug where, when the page loaded, it cleared the search terms from the URL, so if you tried to reload the page it took you to the front page. but that's fixed, so it should all be good now
[08:01] <Mirv> robru: great! it's coming better and better!
[08:01] <sil2100> Yaaay
[08:01] <sil2100> \o/
[08:01] <sil2100> My request has been fulfilled!
[08:02] <robru> sil2100: heh, there's still more to do. glad you like it though ;-)
[08:02] <Mirv> sil2100: FYI, as a great documentation feature the one bit about pinning we often have referred to people was broken... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SiloTestingGuidelines?action=diff&rev2=17&rev1=16
[08:03] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks to zoltan for pointing that out, it really simply didn't work, and also citrain used this other syntax
[08:03] <Mirv> so no wonder people have had problem, since a) the citrain tool is often too old version (if people don't get it from wily or vivid-overlay PPA) and b) the manual way in wiki was wrong
[08:04] <pete-woods> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1457488 FYI
[08:06] <Mirv> pete-woods: excellent news, that was a simple fix to just drop it! I'll check when it gets to Debian and sync it myself
[08:07] <Mirv> and I'll be then able to drop the Ubuntu delta which was building against Qt5
[08:07] <pete-woods> Mirv: cool. I've just updated that bug to link to the source package for qdjango
[08:07] <pete-woods> yes
[08:07] <pete-woods> you can
[08:07] <pete-woods> he's also updated the packaging to build with qt5 by default now
[08:07] <pete-woods> and that was the only delta
[08:07] <pete-woods> I've updated the bug description now to reflect this
[08:07] <pete-woods> and assigned the packaging bug to you
[08:10] <Mirv> pete-woods: thank you!
[08:12] <pete-woods> :)
[08:15] <sil2100> Mirv: oh! Thanks for fixing that, QA was doing this document so I supposed it was correct
[08:22] <sil2100> wgrant: hey! Could I request a batch copy of those few remaining project translations to the 15.04 series? I uploaded those to the overlay PPA so that translators wouldn't have to look in two different places for all their stable phone translations - I hope that's enough to get them noticible by 15.04?
[08:22] <sil2100> (binary copies from vivid)
[08:22] <sil2100> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12069493/ <- here's the list if needed
[08:23] <wgrant> sil2100: If they're in the PPA (even just binary-copied) then I can just rerun the copy script and all will be good.
[08:23] <wgrant> If they're not in the PPA, it will require some code changes.
[08:23] <sil2100> Excellent :) They're in the PPA
[08:23] <wgrant> Great, that makes things much easier. Will run the script.
[08:23] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:24] <sil2100> Thanks! pitti said that merging vivid+overlay wouldn't be much work, but best if we have all that's needed in one place... and sooner or later we'd get newer versions of those packages in the overlay anyway
[08:24] <sil2100> The list was small so it's not any problem with redundancy
[08:25] <wgrant> Yep, indeed.
[08:43] <tsdgeos> sil2100: what's the procedure now when i remove a branch from a silo? Click assign again?
[08:45] <tsdgeos> robru: or you if you're still around ↑
[08:45] <robru> tsdgeos: yes you must click assign to make your changes take effect
[08:46] <tsdgeos> ktx
[08:46] <robru> You're welcome
[08:46] <sil2100> tsdgeos: it's the same as with the spreadsheet still :)
[08:46] <tsdgeos> with the spreadsheet i remember it was more "annoy people" :D
[08:47] <tsdgeos> well i'm still annoyign you now
[08:47] <tsdgeos> but maybe not in the future :D
[09:28] <sil2100> tsdgeos: hah ;)
[09:32] <sil2100> wgrant: hey! I still don't see ciborium for instance in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+lang/es <- maybe the binary copy wasn't enough for the templates to get imported?
[09:33] <wgrant> sil2100: Ah, the script hasn't run yet. No webops VG so far.
[09:46] <seb128> Mirv, hey, bug #1406200, it seems like your build isn't using wily-proposed and missing on the libsynthesis rebuilt for gcc5 ... but should I take that another syncevolution landing is being done and we should avoid a source upload?
[09:47] <sil2100> wgrant: ah, ok :) Sorry for being impatient
[09:55] <Mirv> seb128: true, the PPA wasn't using but I also got the same error locally with wily-proposed chroot. retrying now.
[09:56] <seb128> Mirv, k, maybe something wrong in a libsynthesis rdepends
[10:47] <seb128> Mirv, what did you change to fix the syncevo build then?
[10:52] <Mirv> seb128: nothing. either I did not test in fully wily-proposed yesterday or something got fixed meanwhile.
[10:52] <seb128> Mirv, k, good ;-)
[10:52] <Mirv> yes :)
[11:08] <Mirv> bzoltan_: there's no explanation in changelog for any of the debian/rules changes so I wouldn't get an ack if I would ask for one: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-011-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_packaging_changes.diff
[11:09] <Mirv> ie the fail-missing removal (why? seems always like a good default) and the docs changes
[11:51] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  that was one suggestion. The dh_install --fail-missing is still there
[11:52] <Mirv> bzoltan_: ah right, you're correct, these are the _asked for_ fixes, so they were actually approved :) even though not mentioned in changelog, these were already shown.
[12:05] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  the bug number is listed in the changelog :)
[12:07] <Mirv> so it is
[12:09] <Mirv> bzoltan_: ^ published
[12:12] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  rock and roll
[12:20] <sil2100> grrrrr
[12:25] <sil2100> ogra_: the i386 build issues for rc-proposed are making me angry
[12:31] <ogra_> sil2100, understandable
[12:53] <Mirv> nice that we have 5MB Nouveau driver on images :)
[13:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, just to make sure I'm reading your last email correctly, the background playlist silo won't require a feature freeze exception to land after QA tests it, yes?
[13:05] <sil2100> jhodapp: when was it subitted for QA sign-off?
[13:05]  * sil2100 off to prepare lunch
[13:05] <dbarth> hey guys, i switched a silo 52 from dual to wily
[13:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, before the FF, but they put it in blocked until I fix a bug
[13:06] <dbarth> and passed on to QA; do i need to purge the silo from vivid packages?
[13:06] <sil2100> It should be able to land in that case I suppose, jibel: ^ ?
[13:07] <jhodapp> ok
[13:12] <jibel> sil2100, jhodapp that's fine to land
[13:12] <jhodapp> jibel, alright great, working on unblocking that now
[13:12] <jibel> sil2100, I blocked it yesterday because it introduced a regression
[13:38] <bfiller> sil2100: silo 22 can be freed, don't need it anymore
[13:40] <bfiller> renatu, charles: I requested indicator transfer for silo 24, but has some problems with the versioning that you'll need to fix
[13:41]  * charles looks
[13:45] <sil2100> bfiller: on it shortly
[13:57] <renatu> charles, looks like you need to push manually the last change log from the package branch
[14:00] <jhodapp> sil2100, is there an updated vivid+overlay channel for flo?
[14:01] <sil2100> jhodapp: what do you mean by 'updated'? ;)
[14:01] <sil2100> jhodapp: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu has flo images built by default
[14:01] <jhodapp> sil2100, recent
[14:01] <sil2100> But we're not testing if those work really...
[14:02] <jhodapp> sil2100, that's what I mean
[14:03] <jhodapp> sil2100, well I'll give it a try then, see what state it's in...it's my only device that will work for me that hasn't broken (my second Arale USB broke)
[14:04] <sil2100> Ouch ;/
[14:17] <charles> renatu, thanks. rebuilding
[14:32] <davmor2> dbarth: silo 52 needs lots of approvals
[14:34] <popey> sil2100: is the OTA-6 image scheduled to be built next week?
[14:34] <sil2100> popey: yessir :)
[14:34] <jibel> popey, next Tuesday
[14:34] <popey> okay.
[14:35] <popey> then released a week later?
[14:36] <jibel> popey, yes
[14:37] <jibel> popey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/ReleaseSchedule for reference
[14:39] <popey> handy
[14:39] <popey> thanks
[15:00] <slangasek> bzoltan_, robru: the overlay ppa pin gives the phone team the ability to revert any SRU when they need to by uploading/copying an older package to the ppa
[15:26] <bzoltan_> slangasek: that makes perfectly sense. Thanks.
[15:39] <robru> slangasek: do we know in practice how many cases there are of overlay packages being lower than vivid-updates packages?
[15:39] <slangasek> robru: at the moment, I do not
[15:58] <popey> jibel: was HERE tested before uploading to the store?
[15:58] <popey> It's broken - white screen - on retail krillin
[15:58] <jibel> popey, not by us
[15:58] <popey> gah
[15:58] <jibel> popey, which version?
[15:58] <jibel> popey, 1.0.6 fixed the blank page issue
[15:58] <popey> 1.0.6
[15:58] <jibel> hm
[15:58] <popey> blank here
[15:59] <popey> rebooted phone and started here, only app running and it's white
[15:59] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12071990/
[15:59] <popey> thats the log
[16:00] <ogra_> popey, wprks on arale
[16:00] <ogra_> *works
[16:00] <jibel> popey, yeah, they bumped the version of Ubuntu.Components which is not yet on the retail phone
[16:00] <jibel> cwayne, ^^
[16:01] <popey> gah
[16:01] <ogra_> (oh, right, i'm on rc-proposed)
[16:01] <jibel> cwayne, I think you must revert the version you uploaded earlier to the store
[16:04] <cwayne> i didnt upload anything, penk did
[16:04] <cwayne> and he assured us that it was tested :(
[16:04] <ogra_> cwayne, well, obviously not on the right channel
[16:07] <cwayne> is there a way to re-publish an older version?
[16:07] <cwayne> popey: ^
[16:07] <cwayne> ogra_: :/
[16:07] <cwayne> obviously not. it should've gone through qa anyway
[16:07] <ogra_> yeah
[16:12] <popey> cwayne: no, go forwards, make a 1.0.7 which is the same as last known good IMO
[16:13] <popey> cwayne: there _is_ a revert button
[16:13] <popey> cwayne: but last time i used that beuno got grumpy with me :)
[16:13] <popey> more than 400 people have already updated
[16:14] <popey> we should IMO prepare 1.0.7 and run it past QA as a high priority.
[16:14] <popey> sil2100: ^
[16:19] <cwayne> popey: ill work on a fix, in the meantime ive just unpublished it so nobody else updates
[16:19] <popey> okay
[16:19] <popey> cwayne: ping me when you need it reviewing
[16:23] <cwayne> popey: jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~cwayne/com.nokia.heremaps_1.0.7_all.click
[16:23] <cwayne> it just reverts that last change and bumps version to 1.0.7
[16:24] <jibel> davmor2, ^ can you give it a try. It should work on stable but not on rc-proposed
[16:24]  * popey also tests on both rc-proposed and retail
[16:24] <popey> thanks cwayne
[16:27] <popey> jibel: cwayne confirmed, white screen on rc-proposed krillin, working map on retail krillin
[16:27] <jibel> popey, cwayne thanks
[16:32] <sil2100> Oh, so we waiting for a fix?
[16:32] <sil2100> Damn
[16:33] <cwayne> popey: so that's what we wanted right
[16:33] <jibel> cwayne, what we expect yes. What we want is that is works on both :)
[16:33] <jibel> it*
[16:33] <cwayne> well yeah :)
[16:34] <cwayne> but we should obviously focus most on supporting those that paid money for their phones id say :)
[16:35] <jibel> davmor2, can you confirm? it's rather urgent
[16:35] <davmor2> jibel: doing it now
[16:38] <jibel> davmor2, on stable only, it'll be broken on rc-proposed anyway
[16:39] <davmor2> jibel: with that package on rc-proposed I get white and on stable I get a map
[16:40] <davmor2> cwayne: ^
[16:40] <cwayne> jibel: popey sil2100: ok, so am I good to push then
[16:41] <jibel> cwayne, +1
[16:42] <sil2100> cwayne: +1
[16:42] <cwayne> pushed
[16:43] <cwayne> and published
[16:45] <sil2100> wgrant: hey! Do you know if the trasnlation copy happened already?
[16:45] <sil2100> cwayne: \o/ thanks
[16:46] <cwayne> sil2100: happy to help
[17:17] <charles> jibel, https://trello.com/c/iFn6yk4L/2164-145-ubuntu-landing-008-indicator-sound-charlesk has top approval now & is ready for qa
[18:42] <ted> Sorry, new to the non-spreadsheet world. Do I ping a trainguards for a silo for 157?
[18:42] <robru> ted: nope, you can assign your own now!
[18:43] <ted> Oh, my.
[18:43]  * ted is empowered
[18:44] <robru> ted: there's a safety buffer that will prevent you from assigning if we're low on silos but generally it's open-season on silos now.
[18:44] <robru> ted: just please don't make a bunch and then hog them all
[18:44] <robru> we trust you
[18:44] <ted> Heh, mistake number one!
[18:44] <ted> ;-)
[18:44] <robru> ted: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/random-ness/images/b/b8/Oh_you.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110419012743
[18:45] <ted> Cool, I'm not landing a ton of stuff right now, so I don't expect to be a problem.
[20:05] <kenvandine> cihelp:  I'm seeing adb errors during settings CI runs
[20:05] <kenvandine> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3054/console
[20:09] <kenvandine> cihelp: that was mako-09, jgdx was getting the same error from mako-09 earlier
[20:09] <jgdx> cihelp: and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3049/ ^^
[20:09] <jgdx> oh
[20:28] <greyback__> trainguards: could you please delete the ubuntu-settings-components and ubuntu-ui-toolkit packages from silo37
[20:29] <robru> greyback__: sure
[20:29] <robru> greyback__: ok done, might take a minute to fully disappear.
[20:29] <greyback__> robru: thank!
[20:30] <greyback__> thanks! even
[20:30] <robru> greyback__: welcomes!
[20:30] <greyback__> :)
[20:38] <jhodapp> robru, can you please dput qtmultimedia from ppa:jhodapp/ubuntu/ppa into silo 48
[20:48] <fginther> kenvandine, jgdx looking
[20:53] <kenvandine> fginther, thx
[21:01] <robru> jhodapp: sure
[21:39] <jhodapp> robru, thanks
[21:39] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome
[22:01] <jdstrand> ogra_: am I free to upload apparmor to wily or should I still hold off?
[23:58] <fginther> kenvandine, The makos are now recovered, I've restarted the ubuntu-system-settings MPs that failed due to it.
[23:58] <kenvandine> fginther, thx!


[01:32] <Sarvatt> having good luck with libdrm 2.4.17 with just this reverted too so far - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=b73612e4fd69565aa2c5c2e9677f3e0af1945f7d
[01:38] <bryce__> Sarvatt, kewl
[01:39] <bryce__> Sarvatt, if you remind me next week I'll make sure we get that reverted and get libdrm merged in
[01:41] <Sarvatt> heyo bryce! happy holidays! well I'm not positive yet, i got almost 4 days uptimewith 2 commits reverted trying to track it down and i'm trying with just this one reverted now, only been about 6 hours but I was really lucky to last that long with a stock 2.4.16/17
[01:42]  * bryce__ nods
[02:17] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I notice you're playing with libdrm in xorg-edgers; are you going to update that to git HEAD, or are you playing “find the regression" with it?
[02:18] <RAOF> I say this because nouveau is re-jigging their #defines again...
[02:18] <Sarvatt> want me to update it?
[02:18] <Sarvatt> i was just reverting the one bad commit for other people that had the problem
[02:20] <Sarvatt> i didnt update it fully because i knew i'd have to rebuild first and redo symbols and i'm on battery power :D
[02:23] <RAOF> I'd quite like it, yeah.
[02:23] <RAOF> I'll just check that mesa doesn't build against it first, though.
[02:24] <RAOF> I mean “Doesn't build against the existing libdrm", of course.
[02:25] <Sarvatt> on it now
[02:25] <RAOF> Ta.
[02:25] <Sarvatt> it doesnt?
[02:25] <RAOF> I'm not sure, I'm just trying now.
[02:25] <RAOF> It may well not, because of the #define changes; certainly the newest DDX won't build properly.
[02:26] <Sarvatt> well theres no nouveau built in the edgers mesa so it should be ok? looks like 7.7 just failed on lpia on karmic, theres something screwy on lpia where most things arent building there anyway
[02:27] <RAOF> Oh... this was mainly for my benefit (and a new DDX); I want to see how compiz stability is going :)
[02:29] <RAOF> Yeah, there we go.  No mesa build for me!
[02:32] <Sarvatt> :(
[02:33] <Sarvatt> oh wait thats just with the last libdrm ya mean? updating it should fix that?
[02:34] <Sarvatt> its building now so I can see the symbol changes if any
[02:38] <RAOF> Updating it should fix it, yeah.  It'll pick up the new nouveau_class.h
[02:40] <Sarvatt> it'll be up in about 10 minutes, things take forever on this atom
[02:40] <RAOF> Ta.
[02:40] <Sarvatt> and i only get an edge signal where i'm tethered at, fun
[02:40] <RAOF> Woot!
[02:51] <Sarvatt> just one new symbol nouveau_pushbuf_fini@Base 2.4.17
[02:52] <Sarvatt> uploading now
[03:03] <Sarvatt> that got built and published fast
[08:37] <Duke`> Sarvatt, no freeze for me too since I have installed it
[15:33] <ckontros> I wanna start a terminal in a xsession. Something that looks like failsafe. I have a purpose-build box that if I kill the main app (ran by putting it in ~/.xsession) I just have a X cursor and no way to start the app again. Any Idea what I can run to have a terminal running as well/underneath?
[15:36] <ckontros> maybe just xterm?
[16:37] <ripps> *sigh* another day without a working wacom tablet...
[21:23] <Sarvatt> execbuff while wedged crash with just that one commit reverted :(


 I changed a branch form needs review -> merged...not approved; but that it was approved and what I though I had fixed wasn't there!
[01:25] <bschaefer> thumper, ping. I think I have a good fix for the hud to dash, and having the hud CLOSE before the dash opens
[01:25] <thumper> bschaefer: yeah?
[01:25] <thumper> that's good
[01:26] <bschaefer> thumper, ill have a branch pushed in a sec. Pretty much in LauncherController I added a AboutToShowDash(int was_tap, int when)
[01:27] <bschaefer> and check in unityshell.cpp before we call this: HandleLauncherKeyRelease(was_tap, when) in unityshell
[01:27] <bschaefer> if hud is open, close it :)
[01:27] <bschaefer> and AboutToShowDash
[01:29] <thumper> about to show hud?
[01:29]  * thumper disconnects
[01:29] <thumper> back shortly
[01:30] <bschaefer> Well the Dash -> Hud is already taken care of
[01:30] <bschaefer> alright
[01:30] <bschaefer> I should a have branch and ap test by then!
[01:34] <thomi_> bschaefer: ... did you get my last message?
[01:35] <bschaefer> thomi_, eek, let me check!
[01:35] <bschaefer> on the mp?
[01:36] <thomi_> bschaefer: ok, I wasn't trying to hurry you - I'm on a dodgy Internet connection ;)
[01:36] <thomi_> bschaefer: yes
[01:36] <bschaefer> thomi_, hmm I dont see it
[01:36] <thomi_> :-/
[01:36] <bschaefer> thomi_, no worries, just in the middle getting a screenshot for reporting a bug while getting another branch ready
[01:36] <bschaefer> and making some more ap test haha
[01:38] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/ap-hud-fixes-cjk-ibus/+merge/100058
[01:38] <bschaefer> you made a comment here?
[01:42] <thomi_> bschaefer: just now
[01:42] <thomi_> needs fixing ;)
[01:42] <bschaefer> dam
[01:43] <bschaefer> wishful thinking that I could change so much and get a +1
[01:44] <thomi_> :)
[01:44] <bschaefer> thomi_, so you want me to fix the dash also? with the super thing?
[01:44] <thomi_> I have a reputation to protect
[01:44] <thomi_> bschaefer: yes please
[01:44] <bschaefer> im guessing the super just makes sure it calls the constructor of the class above it?
[01:45] <bschaefer> opps I didn't see I deleted that icon function...
[01:46] <bschaefer> why did the hud test pass then! O yeah, some of the hud test failed, like undo in gedit for me
[01:48] <bschaefer> thomi_, dammit...and I messed up my other branch haha. Ill hopefully have that done soon!
[01:48] <thomi_> bschaefer: regarding super - yes, exactly
[01:49] <bschaefer> I ment that as, this ap branch!
[01:59] <bschaefer> thomi_, hmm also some how in HudView I removed the property geometry but I think I should add that back in...
[01:59] <bschaefer> thomi_, I must not have had the trunk version of that file as that wasn't there...
[02:04] <thomi_> bschaefer: yeah, I wondered about that
[02:07] <bschaefer> haha, ill update it with everything that is missing
[02:07] <bschaefer> thumper, https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/hud-to-dash-fix/+merge/100064
[02:08] <bschaefer> thumper, that is the code, ignore the ap test at the bottom. I accidentally committed another branch with it haha
[02:08] <bschaefer> ill uncommit that after I finish these other changes...
[02:08] <thumper> bschaefer: hey
[02:09] <bschaefer> hello!
[02:19] <thumper> bschaefer: ~unity-team/unity/fixes.unityshell-overlay has merge conflicts
[02:20] <bschaefer> yeah just saw
[02:20] <bschaefer> I messed up and set it to merged a couple days ago haha
[02:20] <bschaefer> so it never actually got merged...and noticed that today...and need to update with trunk and removed conflicts
[02:28] <thumper> bschaefer: also, let me know when hud-to-dash fix is ready
[02:28] <bschaefer> thumper, will do! Thanks
[03:09] <bschaefer> thumper, ok, the diff just finished updating: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/hud-to-dash-fix/+merge/100064
[03:10] <bschaefer> thumper, ill add an ap soon, its just I have two other branchs that will create a conflict :(
[03:12] <bschaefer> I just mostly want you to see if the fix is good
[03:48] <jalcine> Is it possible to write an extension for Unity? Not necessarily a lens or a scope.
[03:48] <mhall119> jalcine: not like gnome-shell extensions, no
[03:49] <jalcine> Thanks, guess there's no other option, then.
[03:49] <mhall119> jalcine: for what?
[03:49] <mhall119> that voice recognition stuff?
[03:50] <jalcine> Yeah.
[03:52] <mhall119> jalcine: that's something that should be built into unity itself
[03:54] <jalcine> Well, it could be easily done using PocketSphinx, it's just that the accuracy's like garbage for non-American English speakers.
[03:54] <jalcine> Or close to that accentuation + dialect
[03:55] <jalcine> I'm still working on my e-mail to send to the mailing list and my lib for it still has like a dozen or so bugs..
[06:58] <lvillani> I am unable to launch an application from the dash until Unity has finished to search for entries matching the input string.
[06:58] <lvillani> That is, when I want to launch chrome I usually type "chro" and then Enter, really fast
[06:59] <lvillani> but Unity seems to ignore the keypress until the progress indicator inside the text box stops spinning.
[06:59] <lvillani> At that point I can press Enter and launch the application.
[07:00] <lvillani> I'd like to know if this is by design, before I file a bug report.
[07:01] <lvillani> oh, nevermind, someone already filed bug 966417
[10:14] <didrocks> greyback: hey
[10:14] <didrocks> greyback: how are you?
[10:14] <greyback> didrocks: I'm good, you?
[10:14] <didrocks> greyback: I'm fine, thanks :)
[10:15] <greyback> didrocks: What can I do for you?
[10:15] <didrocks> greyback: I wanted to know if you notice the fuzz about the HUD :)
[10:15] <didrocks> and alt revealing it
[10:15] <greyback> didrocks: I have yes, we're working on it right now
[10:15] <didrocks> there are two main bugs about it (one targeted and the other one about being able to change the key, maybe in gsettings?)
[10:16] <didrocks> greyback: excellent, that's all I needed to know! :)
[10:16] <greyback> didrocks: changing key we've discussed. Is there going to be a gsettings key?
[10:18] <didrocks> greyback: 3D has a gconf key to change it
[10:18] <didrocks> to not hardcoding it
[10:18] <didrocks> I have the feeling, seeing the amount of issues we get, that a gsettings key for 2D to set it will be nice
[10:18] <greyback> didrocks: gconf, ok. I thought it was in ccsm. That's good
[10:19] <greyback> didrocks: I agree
[10:20] <didrocks> greyback: it's in ccsm (so in gconf)
[10:20] <didrocks> greyback: just use a gsettings key :)
[10:20] <didrocks> greyback: there is a bug about it btw ;)
[10:23] <greyback> didrocks: ok, thanks for the heads-up
[10:23] <didrocks> greyback: thanks for working on it :)
[10:33] <davidcalle> mhall119, ping
[11:12] <davmor2> hey guys I'm running some tests on precise's for purchase apps and non of the for purchase apps seem to be appearing in the unity launcher like the repo apps do
[11:17] <didrocks> davmor2: I guess it's a software-center issue
[11:17] <didrocks> davmor2: you should try on #software-center ping tremolux
[11:43] <popey> hmm, if I press super + left arrow, my window sticks to the left edge of the screen, and then the popup shortcuts keys thing appears and stays on screen even after i let go of super.. anyone else reproduce this?
[11:43] <popey> :D
[11:44] <popey> ooh, reproduced on another machine, thats good enough for a bug report to me
[11:45] <didrocks> popey: it's a dup and discussed extensively on chans :)
[11:45] <popey> yay
[11:45]  * popey stops filing a bug
[11:46] <didrocks> fix committed in the new compiz btw
[11:46] <njpatel> didrocks, I no longer have minimise or maximise buttons on my windows...is there a fix?
[11:46] <didrocks> njpatel: I don't know about that one, using package compiz or upstream one?
[11:46] <njpatel> ppa one
[11:46] <njpatel> staging
[11:46] <didrocks> so you should be fine
[11:46] <didrocks> there was one a year ago about it
[11:47] <didrocks> but can't reproduce it
[11:47] <didrocks> hey btw njpatel :p
[11:47] <njpatel> oh, wait, I have maximise but it's on the right hand side
[11:47] <njpatel> but I don't have minimise
[11:47] <njpatel> didrocks, hello :)
[11:47] <didrocks> seems you either have some weird gconf keys
[11:47] <didrocks> either it's a real bug
[11:48] <njpatel> it's saying default is close:maximise :S
[11:48] <didrocks> for button_layout?
[11:48] <njpatel> yep
[11:48] <didrocks> so at least, what you see is what you get :p
[11:48] <njpatel> right :)
[11:48] <didrocks> now, why did this value changed?
[11:48] <didrocks> that's weird
[11:49] <njpatel> changing it to close,minimize,maximize works, but it's a custom key now, not defualt
[11:49] <njpatel> default*
[11:49] <didrocks> I confirm I have close,minimize,maximize: here
[11:49] <didrocks> njpatel: ok, if you reset it
[11:49] <didrocks> njpatel: you have this new value?
[11:49] <didrocks> (I mean, the bad one)
[11:49] <didrocks> it's the default here
[11:49] <didrocks> (the right one)
[11:50] <njpatel> didrocks, hmm, one sec
[11:50] <didrocks> njpatel: look as well at ~/.gconf/schemas/ if you have a custom one
[11:51] <njpatel> didrocks, there are some there, but nothing that contains button_layout
[11:52] <didrocks> njpatel: so you confirm that resetting the value goes back to the bad default?
[11:53] <njpatel> didrocks, resetting takes me back to metacity's default :minimize,maxmise, close!
[11:53] <njpatel> didrocks, one sec
[11:53] <njpatel> ubuntu-desktop is installed
[11:53] <njpatel> didrocks, what contains the overrides?
[11:53] <njpatel> (package)
[11:53] <didrocks> I'm just loooking : )
[11:53] <didrocks> so the file is
[11:53] <didrocks> /usr/share/gconf/defaults/90_light-themes
[11:54] <didrocks> contained by light-themes
[11:54] <njpatel> didrocks, that's there
[11:54] <njpatel> and it's correct
[11:54] <njpatel> didrocks, lol
[11:54] <njpatel> didrocks, i'm an idiot
[11:55] <njpatel> elementary installed it's 95_elementary defaults
[11:55]  * njpatel gives up on today
[11:55] <njpatel> didrocks, sorry dude
[11:55] <didrocks> njpatel: ahah
[11:55] <didrocks> njpatel: ahah
[11:55] <didrocks> sorry ahah :)
[11:56] <didrocks> njpatel: at least, no mystery! :)
[11:56] <njpatel> heh
[11:56] <njpatel> you'd think they'd only apply when you're in elementary desktop
[12:00] <didrocks> njpatel: well, do you remember the hack I did for UNE?
[12:00] <didrocks> njpatel: it's possible with gconf, so they can do it
[12:00] <didrocks> njpatel: not anymore possible with gsettings though
[12:00] <njpatel> didrocks, yeah, I do....we did crazy stuff then :)
[12:00] <njpatel> didrocks, oh, really?
[12:01] <didrocks> old good time, snif ;)
[12:01] <didrocks> yeah :/
[12:01] <njpatel> i would have thought that was something that was fixed
[12:01] <didrocks> as all is compiled in one binary, and you can't choose the patch…
[12:01] <didrocks> path*
[12:02] <njpatel> hmm
[12:03] <davidcalle> mhall119, ping
[12:05] <mhall119> davidcalle: pong
[12:05] <mhr3> davidcalle, hey, you pinged me yesterday?
[12:06] <davidcalle> mhr3, yeah, but I don't remeber why :/
[12:06] <mhr3> or actually it was today iirc :)
[12:06] <mhall119> 1http://mhall119.com/2012/03/hello-unity/ if you guys haven't seen it already
[12:07] <davidcalle> mhall119, yeah, I've tested it, it's pretty cool :)
[12:38] <mhall119> gord: do you know how to set an indicator's title so it doesn't come up as "Untitled Indicator" in the HUD?
[12:42] <gord> mhall119, nope, i did talk to ted about that but can't quite remember the outcome
[12:46] <mhall119> ok, I'll wait for him to be online then
[12:54] <zgreg> mhall119: there's a method called set_title(your_title_string)
[12:55] <daker> mhall119, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/06/%23ubuntu-unity.html#t17:55
[13:00] <mhall119> ah, thanks daker and zgreg
[13:00] <daker> mhall119, indicator_instance.set_property("title", "some title")
[13:00] <mhall119> obviously I don't remember very long
[13:54] <kenvandine> mhall119, hello-unity looks like it is not only an awesome demo but a useful testing tool :)
[13:55] <zyga> hi
[13:56] <zyga> with unity 5.8.0-0ubuntu2 and compiz 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4 I can still make the help screen / number overlays remain on screen indefinitely
[13:56] <zyga> all that one must do is to hold super, then press alt and release
[14:06] <davidcalle> JohnLea_, ping
[14:07] <davidcalle> JohnLea_, I can't comment or edit the Unity shortcuts document, but it misses the Dash shortcut : Super + V Open the Dash Videos lens
[14:08] <JohnLea_> davidcalle: I'll update it now.  I still have a todo item to reply to your comment in the dash home bug, sorry for the delay
[14:08] <davidcalle> JohnLea_, no problem
[14:09] <JohnLea_> davidcalle; doc updated ;-)  https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1jqeKtIJwqLtl58Wk_fqjr9Rrgxn9zsouCYOo-cZsLSE/edit
[14:09] <JohnLea_> thx!
[14:17] <davidcalle> JohnLea_, thanks :)
[15:26] <tsdgeos> didrocks: you there?
[15:27] <didrocks> tsdgeos: sure
[15:27] <tsdgeos> didrocks: something weird happened with https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/hud-redesign/+merge/100096
[15:28] <tsdgeos> didrocks: it's marked as merged, but it hasn't been, which is good, because noone approved it
[15:28] <tsdgeos> didrocks: any idea how that happened?
[15:34] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I'm totally puzzled as you are. The email trace doesn't show that, but the launchpad API showed it as "approved"
[15:35] <tsdgeos> so launchppad had a hickup?
[15:36] <tsdgeos> simply "reopen" it and bedone?
[15:42] <didrocks> tsdgeos: yeah, should be enough :)
[15:42] <tsdgeos> oki
[17:48] <dakira> some strange behavior: many games won't work in 12.04 because hitting the ALT key always triggers HUD. HUD should probably be disabled when a fullscreen app is running. There's more: when a gamer deactivates ALT as the shortcut for HUD other keycombos using ALT (like ALT+TAB) stop working.
[17:56] <Daekdroom> dakira, all shortcuts are working ok for me when I disable HUD
[17:59] <dakira> Daekdroom: strange. Maybe this was fixed by yesterdays updates. I'll try to reproduce this again.
[18:10] <jussi> dakira: also, you may want to mention a game where it happens
[18:13] <dakira> jussi: Shank for example
[18:19] <dakira> jussi: basically every game that uses the ALT key
[18:41] <jussi> dakira: is shank in the repos?  I dont see it..
[18:44] <jussi> bah, now im getting a craxhing system settigns and no way to reset my screen res to something propper after playing a game (tremulous)
[18:44] <dakira> jussi: www.shankgame.com
[18:45] <MCR> Just wanted to thank you for finally fixing the flickering here. Compiz is fully functional again.
[18:45] <dakira> jussi: the point is. every game that uses the ALT key can't be played anymore. Doesn't matter if it is windowed or fullscreen
[18:46] <jussi> dakira: I was just trying to point out that if you give an example of something developers can easily get, it will probably help them debug the issue faster
[18:46] <dakira> jussi: hm.. let me think of an OSS game that uses ALT ;)
[18:58] <dakira> meanwhile some more unexpected behavior: SHIFT+ALT+UP is the default shortcut for initiating scale on the current workspace (works). SUPER+w is the default for initiating scale on *all* workspaces. But it does -in fact- only show the apps on the current workspace. That's a regression.
[19:05] <manzabud> hi
[19:05] <manzabud> is some one in here
[19:05] <manzabud> ?
[19:06] <JanC> there are 119 people in here...
[19:07] <JanC> although some might be asleep or out to the pub or ...
[19:07] <manzabud> hahah ok
[19:07] <manzabud> i want to give some ideas for unity
[19:08] <JanC> manzabud: maybe better do that on the mailing list
[19:08] <mhall119> tedg: are you the person to talk to about integrating with the Message Menu?
[19:09] <JanC> well, you can give them here too
[19:11] <tedg> mhall119, Sure, what's up?
[19:11] <manzabud> well, is it possible to make ubuntu unity dash as a tooltip?
[19:11] <jussi> JanC: ooh, want to go to the pub?
[19:11] <mhall119> tedg: I'm trying to add Messege Menu support to Hello Unity
[19:12] <mhall119> tedg: one second, I may have figured it out
[19:12] <manzabud> unity dash is attached to unity dock bar
[19:12] <JanC> jussi: if you are in Bruges too, why not?  :P
[19:12] <manzabud> it should be separated
[19:13] <jussi> I just did an update, and wow, unity got fast!
[19:13] <jussi> JanC: I wish - maybe we can do virtual pub one day! a pub hangout!
[19:13] <JanC> jussi: or maybe one day you come to FOSDEM or something like that  ;)
[19:14] <jussi> JanC: maybe...
[19:14] <jussi> hrm, is it possible to adjust the blurred background of the dash?
[19:15] <JanC> jussi: I think we met at UDS La Hulpe also
[19:16] <jussi> JanC: that we did.
[19:17] <JanC> didn't you go with us to Brussels then?  ;)
[19:17] <manzabud> or make it fullscreen only as gnome shell
[19:17] <JanC> or "why didn't you ..."
[19:18] <jussi> mhall119: who is it who is the dash design person?
[19:18] <mhall119> tedg: can I have my Message Menu server use a different icon than the one in the .desktop file?
[19:19] <tedg> mhall119, Nope
[19:19] <mhall119> jussi: mhr3 is who I usually ping about Dash
[19:19] <tedg> mhall119, You can set the icon in the indicators but not the application.
[19:19] <tedg> mhall119, That way it always matches the entry in the launcher
[19:19] <manzabud> ubuntu top bar should dissapear
[19:19] <jussi> mhall119: ok, is he in a working tz or off for beer time already?
[19:19] <manzabud> we can make a clocl icon to know time
[19:19] <mhall119> tedg: except for thunderbird and gwibber
[19:20] <mhall119> they don't match
[19:20] <manzabud> instead of that old top bar
[19:20] <tedg> mhall119, Sure, they're quite literally special cases :-)
[19:20] <mhall119> jussi: possibly off to beer time already, he's Europe timezone I think
[19:20] <mhall119> tedg: ok, so the intent is that it will match the application's icon
[19:21] <jussi> mhall119: ahh, its 8-10 pm in eu, so likely not here. :) Ill grab him on  monday
[19:21] <tedg> mhall119, Yes, it's supposed to be "representation of the application"
[19:21] <mhall119> tedg: is Indicate.Listener something an app developer would ever care about?
[19:21] <tedg> mhall119, Very unlikely.
[19:21] <tedg> mhall119, It's the other side of the application.  The interface the messaging menu uses for instance.
[19:22] <mhall119> ok
[19:22] <tedg> mhall119, You're doing this with the GI bindings and not the hand done ones, right?
[19:22] <mhall119> tedg: yes
[19:22] <mhall119> tedg: how do I add an icon to an Indicate.Indicator() ?
[19:22] <tedg> Cool, good.  I believe in those bindings more :-)
[19:23] <tedg> mhall119, Not sure how that shows up in GI, but it's in libindicate-gtk
[19:23] <mhall119> tedg: another question, Indicate.Server.set_type(), what values does that take and what do they do?
[19:24] <tedg> mhall119, It will take any string, but the only one we're using is "messages" -- it was the point of extension for the lib.
[19:24] <tedg> mhall119, Idea being other indicators could have other types.
[19:26] <manzabud> what do you think about my idea
[19:26] <manzabud> ?
[19:32] <mhall119> tedg: another question, Indicate.Server.set_type(), what values does that take and what do they do?
[19:33] <mhall119> bah, ignore that
[19:33] <tedg> mhall119, ?  Okay
[19:33] <tedg> :-)
[19:37] <mhall119> tedg: what's the number that's being passed to the callback on "user-display" of an Indicate.Indicator()?
[19:39] <mhall119> and how do I tell the MessageMenu that attention is no longer needed, after an Indicator set "draw-attention" to it?
[19:40] <mhall119> another: set_property("subtype"), what values can that take and what do they do?
[19:40] <tedg> mhall119, That'd be the X11 timestamp that the event happened at
[19:40] <mhall119> is there a list of properties for Indicate.Indicator?  The giraffe API docs don't contain them
[19:41] <tedg> mhall119, Well, you can unset the draw-attention field or you can remove the indicator
[19:41] <mhall119> removing doesn't seem to remove the Attention on the MessageMenu, let me try unsetting it
[19:42] <tedg> mhall119, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/libindicate/trunk.0.7/view/head:/libindicate/indicator-messages.h#L33
[19:48] <mhall119> tedg: setting "draw-attention" to "false" didn't do it
[19:52] <tedg> mhall119, Are you setting the property as a boolean or a string?
[19:52] <mhall119> string, set_property_bool was crashing on me
[19:52] <kklimonda> wow, the closer we are to the release the more bugs in unity I'm seeing.. weird
[19:52] <mhall119> tedg: it works as strings though
[19:52] <tedg> mhall119, Hmm, okay...
[19:53] <tedg> mhall119, You might look in the libindicate examples there's a "listen-and-print" tool that will tell you what's going on on the bus.
[19:56] <mhall119> doesn't really tell me much
[19:56] <mhall119> Indicator Added:          <IndicateListenerServer at 0x98c42f4> <IndicateListenerIndicator at 0x1>
[19:56] <mhall119> Indicator Removed:        <IndicateListenerServer at 0x98c42f4> <IndicateListenerIndicator at 0x1>
[19:57] <mhall119> tedg: do I need to keep these Indicate.Indicator instances in memory?  I thought that having them added to the server, and the server being in memory was enough, but if I let it go out of scope it disappears
[19:58] <mhall119> are apps supposed to keep their own list of indicators?
[19:59] <tedg> Uhm, honestly, I don't remember right now.  But, in general, I'd say you should attach them to the objects they represent.
[19:59] <tedg> A mail box, a chat, etc.
[19:59] <tedg> And align them with that lifecycle.
[20:00] <tedg> mhall119, Yeah, looking at the docs the server doesn't ref them.
[20:01] <mhall119> ok
[20:12] <bschaefer>  thomi, are you working on a Saturday?!?
[20:31] <mhall119> I'm not sure thomi disconnects from IRC
[20:35] <mhall119> tedg: I know the Sound Menu will keep a MusicPlayer reference even after the app has been closed, is there a way to remove it?
[20:36] <mhall119> I don't want to leave "Hello Unity Music" in a user's SoundMenu after they're done playing with it
[20:39] <tedg> mhall119, I haven't checked, but I'd guess it throws a file in ~/.cache/indicators/sound
[20:39] <tedg> mhall119, Yeah, I'm guessing you'll have to edit that file.
[20:40] <tedg> mhall119, "familiar-players-db.keyfile"
[20:40] <tedg> Not sure if the sound menu watches for changes on it though.
[20:40] <tedg> You'll have to ask Conor about that one.
[20:41] <mhall119> ok, I guess that'll wait until Monday then
[23:08] <manzabud> can ubuntu unuty dash look like a tooltip
[23:08] <manzabud> ?
[23:10] <manzabud> how can i help developing unity
[23:10] <manzabud> ?
[23:15] <manzabud> ubuntu top bar should desappear and unity should get a clock, this is my opinion
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Unity does have a clock.
[23:40] <mhall119> manzabud: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/ has some information about getting started helping develop unity
[23:40] <mhall119> more/better docs are coming soon
[23:47] <manzabud> i was there
[23:47] <manzabud> but i was thinking that if we remove the top bar there will not be place for main menu
[23:48] <manzabud> but i want to say something
[23:48] <mhall119> yeah, the top panel isn't going away without a good reason
[23:48] <mhall119> and changes like that will need to go through the design process first
[23:48] <manzabud> yes i you are right man
[23:48] <manzabud> i love ubuntu and i want to participate
[23:48] <manzabud> i have to develope a good idea first
[23:48] <manzabud> i am thinking
[23:49] <manzabud> mhall119: something else
[23:50] <manzabud> do you remembar that in mac osx  they got a box where closed apps like im clients and all those kind of app go to a box?
[23:50] <manzabud> so when you click box you get something like this
[23:50] <mhall119> I don't "remember" in that I've never used OSx
[23:51] <manzabud> wait i am looking for a picture because when i close empathy
[23:51] <manzabud> instead of going to notification area
[23:51] <manzabud> excuse me
[23:51] <manzabud> instead of going to unity dock
[23:51] <manzabud> it disapea
[23:51] <manzabud> disappear
[23:52] <manzabud> and i have to press super key
[23:52] <manzabud> and type its name to open again
[23:52] <manzabud> i supose that it goes to notification area
[23:52] <manzabud> BUT users like me get confuse
[23:52] <mhall119> manzabud: if you go to the Message Menu (envelope icon up by the clock) you will find Empathy in there (as "Chat")
[23:52] <manzabud> do you understand what i am saying?
[23:53] <manzabud> yes that one i am talking about
[23:53] <manzabud> messaging menu
[23:53] <manzabud> but when it dissapear from unity dock, it looks like it is closed
[23:53] <manzabud> do you get what i am saying my friend?
[23:53] <mhall119> yes, I understand, I'm not sure what it would take to give a visual indication that it's gone there, but you should fine a bug against the unity project on Launchpad so others can discuss how to fix it
[23:54] <manzabud> yes you get my idea
[23:54] <manzabud> that is why we should think about one place to access and minimize things
[23:54] <manzabud> i think so
[23:54] <manzabud> gnome 3 thought about it
[23:54] <manzabud> i like unity
[23:54] <mhall119> you might also want to send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:54] <manzabud> as well
[23:54] <manzabud> but we could improve it
[23:55] <manzabud> this is what i am talking about
[23:55] <manzabud> http://d2o0t5hpnwv4c1.cloudfront.net/358_jquery/example%20files/all-examples.html
[23:55] <manzabud> please get in
[23:55] <mhall119> I definitely agree that we should give better visual clues on where Empathy is going, I'm just not sure the best way to design it or implement it
[23:55] <manzabud> go to the right bottom
[23:55] <manzabud> corner
[23:55] <manzabud> please
[23:55] <manzabud> and lick that box
[23:55] <manzabud> to see what happens
[23:56] <manzabud> we could have something like that in unity dock bar
[23:56] <mhall119> what would be in it?
[23:56] <manzabud> for well the idea is not completed
[23:57] <mhall119> brb...
[23:57] <manzabud> minimized apps like empathy, i mean man i am just develping the idea
[23:57] <manzabud> the thing is that top bar should have the same design
[23:57] <manzabud> of unity
[23:58] <manzabud> to be transparent all the time
[23:58] <manzabud> something like this
[23:58] <manzabud> :
[23:58] <manzabud> http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=ubuntu+unity#/d33znwv
[23:58] <manzabud> i love this idea
[23:58] <manzabud> this is fantastic
[23:58] <manzabud> it integrates everything
[23:59] <manzabud> i am web developer and i love when things are integrated, please look at this: http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=ubuntu+unity#/d33znwv