[00:00] <warfar> also how do i set my shell's TERM variable?
[00:00] <Regretfulone> hey I will be right back guys ><
[00:00] <kylescottmcgill> Regretfulone: can you do me a favor, run this: lspci | grep -i network
[00:02] <dniMretsaM> warfar: TERM=<value>
[00:03] <kylescottmcgill> dniMretsaM: isnt it export TERMVAR=value ?
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> use export
[00:04] <Regretfulone> kylescottmcgill: I ran it and it jumped down to another line ready to go, sounded like hdd was doing something though. will you still be here in ten minutes or so? I gotta run to pick up my dinner
[00:04] <dniMretsaM> kylescottmcgill: I don't think so. could be, though. ActionParsnip: that's only if he puts it in a configuration file (like .bashrc), isn't it? which I guess is probably what he wants to do
[00:04] <kylescottmcgill> ya im will be here
[00:04] <Regretfulone> alright back in ten thanks for the help guys!
[00:06] <warfar> what about this? http://pastebin.com/XLruFKnk
[00:06] <kylescottmcgill> dniMretsaM: nah you need the export
[00:06] <kylescottmcgill> i just tested to make sure i wasnt being a spaz
[00:09] <jamin> is there a general way to inhibit volume automounting for a period of time?  I've searched and found the commands for udisks but that doesn't seem to have the desired affect as many volumes still get mounted (I suspect this is due to udisks2)
[00:09] <dpurgert> jamin, what do you mean? like for USB keys, etc?
[00:10] <dniMretsaM> kylescottmcgill: running "TERM=<whatever>" in a terminal sets the $TERM just fine
[00:11] <jamin> dpurgert, any volume really... but I'm working with LVM volumes on a removable drive specifically... trying to work up a script to free the drive automatically for removal
[00:11] <jamin> however, once I umount the volume and lvchange the volume to inactive some of them get remounted
[00:12] <dpurgert> jamin, hm, kind of a weird error that ...
[00:12] <jamin> I'm guessing there's a way to inhibit the process that mounts them as gparted and the ilk seem to do it
[00:12] <warfar> can somone please help me get lde to work?
[00:12] <kylescottmcgill> dniMretsaM: i tried, and it didnt work, im using ZSH if that matters much (ZSH is a superset of Bash, but idk)
[00:12] <dniMretsaM> kylescottmcgill: It works fine for me in both ZSH and BASH. odd
[00:13] <kylescottmcgill> meh
[00:13] <philly90> jamin: not sure, maybe   sudo service autofs stop   does the trick
[00:14] <jamin> philly90, no autofs here... just the desktop environment's automount facility... xfce specifically
[00:15] <kylescottmcgill> jamin: do you have gvfs running?
[00:15] <denarius> does a ubuntu canal in french
[00:15] <jamin> kylescottmcgill, yes
[00:15] <Pici> !fr | denarius
[00:16] <kylescottmcgill> gvfs is the automount thing you are looking for
[00:16] <kylescottmcgill> gvfs-mount -u /dev/sdX
[00:17] <kylescottmcgill> or /dev/disks/by-label/BACKUP or something
[00:17] <dariebi> hi all, a short question. if i want to do a right click (with touchpad) a rigthclick is working as a leftclick. the leftclick is working normal. has someone a idea?
[00:17] <jamin> don't believe that will stop it from mounting again will it?
[00:17] <kylescottmcgill> dariebi: are you using gnome? you can set this inside System Settings -> Mouse
[00:18] <kylescottmcgill> jamin: its the automounting used by Nautalis, and Thunar
[00:18] <kylescottmcgill> automounter**
[00:18] <dariebi> i was using mouse settings but it didnt work
[00:18] <rpg> hi
[00:18] <rpg> i have a question
[00:19] <jamin> kylescottmcgill, I realize that... but I want to inhibit it... I have a series of commands that need to complete and the automounter is mounting the volume again in the middle
[00:19] <rpg_> how do i open a .pcf cisco vpn file and initiate connection from the terminal?
[00:19] <rpg_> i have it setup
[00:20] <rpg_> and it works if i use the application
[00:20] <rpg_> but i need to know how to do it from terminal
[00:20] <rpg_> if anyone can help plz let me know
[00:20] <alcaprawn> exit
[00:20] <kylescottmcgill> jamin: you could try stopping the service... sorry i missed your initial question
[00:21] <jamin> actually I think the gparted startup script has given me the pointers I needed...
[00:22] <kylescottmcgill> ok dokey
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> !info vpnclient
[00:23] <vect0r> Anyone running AMD 7970 w/ Ubuntu 11.10?
[00:23] <IHAXEX1337> hello so is anyone interested about Ubuntu maybe going to a mobile operating system too
[00:23] <dariebi> is it able to refresh or repair the mouse data at the system
[00:23] <kylescottmcgill> dariebi: its not a left handed mouse or sothing?
[00:23] <kylescottmcgill> something**
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> rpg_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[00:24] <kylescottmcgill> If you cant do it through the Mouse Settings you might need to do this via the xorg file... but that can be a little over the top for what you are trying to achieve
[00:24] <kylescottmcgill> dariebi: ^
[00:24] <dariebi> no i dont wanted to change left and right. only if iam push the right lick at touchpad the click works same as a leftclick. :-/ i dont know why ...
[00:25] <IHAXEX1337> hello
[00:25] <kylescottmcgill> so if you use two fingers what happenes?
[00:25] <kylescottmcgill> i think you have multitouch enabled
[00:25] <dpurgert> hi ihax
[00:26] <dpurgert> ... or not, lol
[00:26] <kylescottmcgill> lol
[00:26] <bnewton> on
[00:26] <dariebi> oh my god, thank you very much youre right dobble fingers is working :-)
[00:26] <Raspootis> Evening. What's the best distro to run on an old Pentium 4 box with 1 gig of RAM (256 x 4)? http://imgur.com/a/WmxDo#5 (image  set of the box I found)
[00:26] <kylescottmcgill> :) disable Multitouch if you dont enjoy that
[00:27] <dpurgert> Raspootis, probably something lightweight.  All the better if you're not running X (not that it can't handle something like 12.04)
[00:27] <dariebi> oh yeah, thank you very much. see us. bye ;-)
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> hi again
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> alcaprawn, I have one more question
[00:28] <Raspootis> dpurgert: I got 12.10 running pretty smoothly on gnome-fallback with compiz effects on an old Pentium D, even though I had an okay GPU in there
[00:28] <Lunar_Lander> what did you mean about korean people in my PC?
[00:28] <Raspootis> I've never even heard of the GPU I have in this one, ATI 3003 or something
[00:28] <dpurgert> I've currently got this install running on a virtual box (because I'm continuing to break things, rather than my host OS) with like 1 or 2 GB of RAM, 1 proc, and pretty insubstantial everything else
[00:29] <dpurgert> though, a 10G hard drive might have been a little too small ...
[00:29] <mn2010> Anyone know how to automate gpg key signing? for repositorys
[00:29] <dpurgert> shell script, probably
[00:30] <kylescottmcgill> mn2010: idk about automation, but you could y | add-apt-repo..... the y at the font will answer everything with yes
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> dpurgert, do you know how he meant that?
[00:31] <kylescottmcgill> wait y isnt installed by default
[00:31] <dpurgert> Lunar_Lander, "he" who?
[00:31] <kylescottmcgill> sorry its yes | add-apt-repo.....
[00:31] <Lunar_Lander> alcaprawn, the thing with the koreans in the PC
[00:31] <Lunar_Lander> when I was speaking of the password prompt failing to appear
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> was that just a joke of him?
[00:32] <dniMretsaM> kylescottmcgill: why isn't what installed by default?
[00:32] <dniMretsaM> oh, nevermind. I misread the message
[00:33] <Kaktus__> hi
[00:33] <dpurgert> Lunar_Lander, yes, it was a joke :)
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[00:33] <kylescottmcgill> lol night
[00:34] <dniMretsaM> Kaktus certainly didn't stay long
[00:35] <dpurgert> nope
[00:36] <El_Fantasma> .
[00:37] <dpurgert> seems to have gotten pretty quiet in here now :|
[00:38] <dniMretsaM> this channel has been quieter than I've ever seen it as of late
[00:38] <Rosenzweig> I didn't know about this wizardry of workspaces in Unity. Ctrl Alt Arrow and I can have multiple window environments.
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> Rosenzweig: Super + W shows all open windows too
[00:39] <Rosenzweig> Super? FN?
[00:39] <dpurgert> dniMretsaM, don't know really ... new to the channel
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> Rosenzweig: aka 'windows key'
[00:39] <dpurgert> what kind of black magic is this?!
[00:39] <Rosenzweig> all it showed me was a darker desktop screen.
[00:39] <Rosenzweig> Oh nevermind.
[00:40] <Rosenzweig> Yeah, thats nice.
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> Rosenzweig: do you only have one window open?
[00:40] <Rosenzweig> Yeah I see it.
[00:40] <Rosenzweig> I have one window in each of the four work spaces.
[00:40] <Rosenzweig> And they're full screen.
[00:40] <dniMretsaM> ActionParsnip: I always call it the meta key. once an Emacs user, always an Emacs user, I guess
[00:40] <Rosenzweig> Unity has some nice features, but I guess these are available in other desktop environments too.
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> dniMretsaM: its also called Mod4 :)
[00:41] <Rosenzweig> I don't know. I like being treated like a baby. Like for example, Steam told me to install the fglrx driver.
[00:41] <Rosenzweig> I never had Debian tell me that in Gnome 3.
[00:41] <kylescottmcgill> lol
[00:41] <Rosenzweig> Ubuntu is babby's first Linux but it's a decent Linux distribution.
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> Rosenzweig: yeah, steam also says to add the bleeding edge xorg, not wise in that case
[00:41] <dniMretsaM> yup
[00:41] <Rosenzweig> With tons of support.
[00:42] <Rosenzweig> You gotta' have that bleeding edge packages.
[00:42] <Rosenzweig> That's why I use Arch Linux.
[00:42] <Rosenzweig> It might break every package update but hey, I'm bleeding edge.
[00:42] <kylescottmcgill> i miss Arch
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> Rosenzweig: arch is offtopic here :)
[00:42] <Rosenzweig> I know, it was a joke.
[00:42] <Rosenzweig> Is Unity available on other distributions by the way?
[00:42] <Rosenzweig> I always wondered that.
[00:43] <dpurgert> I play around with a few distros ... though am using Ubuntu more than the others...
[00:43] <Rosenzweig> I have a Debian with broken drivers as my other distro.
[00:43] <Rosenzweig> I'm thinking of chucking it out.
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> Rosenzweig: its open source so its possible
[00:43] <dpurgert> yeah, I've got Mint, Ubuntu, slackware, and a few different server distros
[00:44] <kylescottmcgill> Rosenzweig: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unity
[00:44] <k1l_> Rosenzweig: yes, unity is available for other distros but how or if they integrate it better ask the support of that distribution
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> semplice is my next distro to test
[00:45] <Rosenzweig> Interesting.
[00:45] <Rosenzweig> Sorry installation of driver failed. Please have a look at /var/log/jockey.log for more information.
[00:45] <Rosenzweig> Interesting.
[00:46] <arij> is there a channel for ubuntu phone?
[00:46] <Rosenzweig> Yes arij.
[00:46] <Rosenzweig> Um, let me see.
[00:46] <k1l_> !phone | arij
[00:46] <kylescottmcgill> ActionParsnip: isnt that just Debian with openbox? i think crunchbang is also the same... i could be wrong
[00:46] <Rosenzweig> Yeah, that.
[00:46] <arij> thank you
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> kylescottmcgill: seems so, its basically the OS I make with Ubuntu
[00:48] <kylescottmcgill> :D fiar enough
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> kylescottmcgill: ubuntu mini + fluxbox + slim + wicd + xcompmgr + docky
[00:49] <kylescottmcgill> Im, Awesome, Gnome-Control Panel, Network-Manager, GDM, and thats about it
[00:49] <kylescottmcgill> use ranger and everything else terminal apart from things like skype and chrome
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> kylescottmcgill: yeah, same :)
[00:50] <thufir_> I don't see skype listed for 12.10 to install.  do I need to add a repo?
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> kylescottmcgill: i even twitter with twidge :)
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> thufir_: enable the partner repo
[00:50] <kylescottmcgill> lol :D nice, i use the t ruby gem, i will have a look at that
[00:51] <kylescottmcgill> thufir_: you can also download the Deb from their site, and install it that way
[00:51] <thufir_> ActionParsnip: thx
[00:52] <thufir_> kylescottmcgill: thx
[00:52] <thufir_> ActionParsnip: add to sources.list, is that right?
[00:53] <ActionParsnip> thufir_: there are 2 lines commented out for it, uncomment them and run:  sudo apt-get update
[00:54] <thufir_> ActionParsnip: got it.  do I need both?  I'm not doing sources, tho.
[00:55] <thufir_> oh, for installing ruby, is there a way to now get 1.9 without RVM?  Or, do you need to use rvm if you're doing any devel with ruby?
[00:57] <marcio> hello friends, i have been trying to update my software in lubuntu for over a week now but i keep getting an error that says "failed to download repository information"
[00:57] <marcio> can someone tell me whats going on?
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> thufir_: yes, do both the deb and deb-src lines
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> marcio: run:  sudo apt-get update    pastebin the output please
[00:57] <Gnea> marcio: have you run  sudo apt-get update  first?
[00:57] <marcio> i have, but ill do it again and post the output
[00:58] <thufir_> Gnea: and clean or autoclean (I use aptitude different syntax I think)
[00:58] <Gnea> thufir_: not sure why clean or autoclean are necessary
[00:58] <thufir_> ok
[00:58] <marcio> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/screenlets/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[00:58] <marcio> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/screenlets/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[00:58] <marcio> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[00:58] <Gnea> ah, a ppa went bad
[00:59] <thufir_> marcio | pastebinit!
[00:59] <Gnea> !pastebinit | marcio
[00:59]  * thufir_ dyslexia suffers from
[00:59] <kylescottmcgill> thufir_: i would use RVM, its easier to deal with, and doesnt require sudo, if rvm is a pain, you can sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1 or 1.9.3
[00:59] <marcio> sorry im new to the linux world, so what exactly is pastebin?
[00:59] <Gnea> marcio: it looks like all of your base repositories are there, it's just that a ppa that you setup isn't working right anymore
[01:00] <Gnea> !pastebin | marcio
[01:00] <marcio> ohhhh i see
[01:00] <marcio> im sorry
[01:00] <Gnea> :-)
[01:00] <kylescottmcgill> thufir_: i think apititude is just sudo aptitude install ruby1.9.1
[01:00] <thufir_> kylescottmcgill: thanks.  last time around with installing binaries, I couldn't get it to go.  I find rvm a pain, but already have it working, so was just curious.
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> marcio: http://ppa.launchpad.net/screenlets/ppa/ubuntu/dists/   doesn't support quantal
[01:01] <Gnea> marcio: it's okay
[01:01] <kylescottmcgill> ok it looks like 1.9.1/3 are in the reps
[01:01] <poincare101> AAAAAAARGH ext4 and unity make a terrible combination
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> marcio: remove the PPA, it is of no value to you now
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> poincare101: never had an issue
[01:01] <kylescottmcgill> poincare101: whats wrong with ext4? i think its a nice part type
[01:01] <k1l_> poincare101: that is a strange conclusion
[01:01] <marcio> oh dear, and how do i do that?
[01:01] <poincare101> ActionParsnip: ext4 is dropping my file requests (saying bandwidth is too high) and Unity is just a complete PITA over remote xorg
[01:02] <kylescottmcgill> poincare101: really? i have an ssd and its writes as fast as it can read
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> poincare101: then just run the app you need, rather than the whole desktop....
[01:02] <kylescottmcgill> i think you might have another issue :D
[01:02] <nibbler_> what is the diffrence between the packages fglrx and fglrx-updates?
[01:02] <poincare101> ActionParsnip: probably a much better idea
[01:02] <Gnea> marcio: same way you added it, just use the -r option
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> marcio: what is the output of:  grep -R screenlets /etc/apt/*
[01:03] <kylescottmcgill> where did that wifi guy go? im sure its been longer than 10 mins :D
[01:05] <marcio> action ummm i have the output, how do i paste it without pissing off the room? lol i installed pastebin, do i have to restart?
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> marcio: use http://pastie.org
[01:05] <jamin> marcio, http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> marcio: no need to restart
[01:05] <dpurgert> kylescottmcgill, his wifi never came back up :)
[01:06] <nibbler_> google helped for my fglrx... thanks anyway
[01:06] <marcio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1505050/
[01:07] <kylescottmcgill> dpurgert: lol
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> marcio: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/screenlets-ppa-quantal.list*
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> marcio: then run:   sudo apt-get update
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> marcio: not all PPAs support all releases
[01:08] <kylescottmcgill> i would like to see what he had, the broadcom issue for me at least has been a huge pain, and there is no real fix for it, apart from ripping the source code apart and recompiling it... i have read up a lot on it
[01:10] <marcio> rm: cannot remove `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/screenlets-ppa-quantal.list*': No such file or directory
[01:10] <marcio> i got hat error
[01:10] <marcio> that*
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> marcio: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/screenlets-ppa-quantal*
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> marcio: if you get the same error, run:   sudo apt-get update   and I bet its ok
[01:11] <VlanX> Please could somebody tell me how to change the "internet temporary file" on wine?
[01:11] <kylescottmcgill> VlanX: winehq might be better at helping you, i have no idea what a internet temp file is
[01:12] <VlanX> k thank you
[01:12] <kylescottmcgill> #winehq are your friends
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> VlanX: chage it to what?
[01:12] <VlanX> ActionParsnip: not to use sda1 but sdb1
[01:12] <VlanX> cause sda1 is an SSD
[01:13] <kylescottmcgill> oh, is that the Internet Cache or something?
[01:13] <marcio> actionparsnip, it worked! thank you sooooo much!
[01:13] <frozenlock> Anyone familiar with libusb can tell me what this means? "USBController::usb_find_ep(): libusb_get_config_descriptor() failed: LIBUSB_ERROR_IO"
[01:13] <marcio> i have a question, whats the difference between sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade?
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> VlanX: I'd copy the ~/.wine folder to the other partition, then make a symlink to it in $HOME
[01:14] <jamin> marcio, the first updates the list of known packages
[01:14] <kylescottmcgill> marcio: update, updates the repo lists, upgrade, upgrades the packages
[01:14] <kylescottmcgill> sorry package lists...
[01:14] <marcio> ohhh i see
[01:14] <VlanX> ActionParsnip: ok but am i supposed to set wine to change the path?
[01:15] <marcio> can you guys reccomend me some good sources for mastering ubuntu and linux? its one of my main resolutions this year
[01:15] <EndUserX> don't forget about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:15] <jamin> VlanX, no need, the symlink serves that purpose for you
[01:15] <dpurgert> marcio, "update" just updates apt's repo list
[01:15] <kylescottmcgill> do-release-upgrade :D
[01:15] <VlanX> jamin: so i might not really know what a symlink is
[01:15] <VlanX> just a second
[01:16] <dpurgert> bah, I need a bigger screen so I can watch this better ...
[01:16] <EndUserX> what is the exact difference between dist-upgrade & upgrade anyways, I know dist-upgrade will pull in a new kernel if available
[01:16] <kylescottmcgill> VlanX: its a short cut
[01:16] <kylescottmcgill> dpurgert: what are you watching?
[01:16] <kylescottmcgill> oh you mean IRC
[01:17] <kylescottmcgill> EndUserX: Distibution Upgrade? updates you to the next release as well as kernal etc
[01:18] <kylescottmcgill> 13.04 will be next i assume
[01:18] <jrib> !dist-upgrade | EndUserX
[01:18] <nibbler_> kylescottmcgill, EndUserX: distupgrade might pull new dependencies...
[01:18] <dpurgert> kylescottmcgill, yeah, IRC is partially covered by Document Viewer ...
[01:18] <ububh> I'm on LiveDVD of Ubuntu 12.10 amd64 with a UEFI laptop. Fedora is installed and has its own entry in UEFI boot option and boots via gurb-legacy. Gentoo has its own boot option and boots from EFISTUB.
[01:18] <EndUserX> kylescttmcgill so dist-upgrade works exactly the same in ubuntu as on debian
[01:19] <ububh> How can I install Ubuntu and keep Fedora and Gentoo with their own boot methods_
[01:19] <jrib> EndUserX: basically dist-upgrade is a way to tell apt it's ok to install packages that are needed if dependencies change.  So for example you have the linux-image package that depends on the latest linux-image-some-specific-version-here package.  And that dependency changes when a new kernel is released
[01:19] <ububh> ?
[01:19] <kylescottmcgill> EndUserX: no i was wrong... help says    dist-upgrade - Distribution upgrade, see apt-get(8) but ubottu says something else
[01:19] <ububh> !uefi
[01:20] <Sir_Fawnpug> Hello everybody. I am having trouble getting a 5721 NIC to perform any kind of network activity. This is a rather old copy of ubuntu server (10.10), but it was working a short while ago. The NIC and the switch it is hooked into both show activity, and I know DHCP should be available because this machine (which is on the same switch) is able to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have also made sure that tg3 and bnx2 are loaded. Howev
[01:20] <Sir_Fawnpug> er, dmesg says that the "link is not ready".
[01:20] <jrib> ububh: I think grub2 will detect your other installs and chainload them automatically
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: Maverick is no longer supported
[01:20] <EndUserX> I know sometimes when a new kernel is available upgrade will say "some packages held back" but running a dist-upgrade will install them
[01:20] <jrib> EndUserX: yes, do you understand why now?
[01:20] <Sir_Fawnpug> Then I suppose I should back some stuff up and use 12.04LTS
[01:20] <ububh> jrib: me too. But I'm searhing for someone that knows it-ll work for sure
[01:21] <EndUserX> usually linux-image is one of the packages held back
[01:21] <EndUserX> jrib sort of
[01:21] <VlanX> ActionParsnip: I solved the problem, i just set the Temporary Internet FIles to read only :)
[01:21] <jrib> ububh: worked for me last time I tried...
[01:21] <EndUserX> jrib it's basically because the new image would require new dependencies or am I mistaken ?
[01:22] <jrib> EndUserX: if a package changes dependencies (like linux-image does when a new kernel package is available) a plain apt-get upgrade won't install it.  Yes.
[01:22] <marcio>  thanks for all the help guys, have a great night
[01:22] <Sir_Fawnpug> Ugh, I stupidly didn't create a separate home partition when I set this server up
[01:22] <ububh> jrib: ok. I'm not afraid in losing gentoo uefi boot because gentoo.efi resides in /boot/efi/EFI/gentoo/gentoo.efi
[01:22] <ububh> jrib: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_partition
[01:23] <EndUserX> jrib cool, so you can run dist-upgrade without worry it will bump you to ubuntu 13.04 (as example)
[01:23] <ububh> jrib: should I remove EFI partition that Fedora's installer has created_
[01:23] <kylescottmcgill> EndUserX: my new understanding is thats what do-release-upgrade is
[01:23] <EndUserX> when I ran sidux they used dist-upgrade to update to the latest release but sidux be weird
[01:23] <Brunbook> meu Ubuntu 12.10 trava tela fica toda  preta com letras mas musicas no fundo toca normal somente a visualização alguem me ajuda?
[01:24] <Brunbook> Ubuntu 12.10 hangs my screen is all black with lyrics but music plays in the background normal only viewing someone help me?
[01:24] <milamber1> !es | Brunbook
[01:24] <EndUserX> well thanks again guys, I have been meaning to ask that question for awhile too :-)
[01:25] <Brunbook> Ubuntu 12.10 hangs my screen is all black with lyrics but music plays in the background normal only viewing someone help me?
[01:26] <kylescottmcgill> Ive had similar issues, and it came down to my xcompmgr panicing
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> VlanX: I'd have gone for the symlink :)
[01:26] <kylescottmcgill> only way around it was to jump over to TTY1 and pkill mplayer/flash or restart X
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: just reinstall and use your backups for user data
[01:26] <EndUserX> Not wanting to go off topic but this is really cool. It's a Linux timeline tree graphic http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Gldt1009.svg
[01:26] <dpurgert> I'm out.  g'night.
[01:26] <ububh> jrib: also because thwe installer recognize only gentoo and not fedora. I'm afraid it'll wipe the other OS
[01:27] <Sir_Fawnpug> ActionParsnip, well the trouble is that I didn't have a good backup solution going at the time (this is minecraft data)
[01:27] <VlanX> ActionParsnip: but there is no point for wine to have the temporary folder, for whatever reason it got to >23GB which is crazy
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> VlanX: yikes!
[01:28] <EndUserX> ububh it may not wipe it but sounds like you will have to add it to grub later, double check your partitions in the installer before you install to be sure those partitions will not be touched
[01:28] <Sir_Fawnpug> I am sure I will get everything backed up eventually, I just need to find a USB key to sneakernet it
[01:28] <Sir_Fawnpug> And to not make such a stupid mistake in the future, haha
[01:29] <ububh> EndUserX: I'll try the manual partitioning
[01:29] <kylescottmcgill> lol there was a distro called lindows...
[01:30] <ububh> EndUserX: can you please read something for me and tell me what do you understand?
[01:30] <EndUserX> ububh yeah back pedal in the installer to the partitioning screen and select manual partitioning for sure
[01:30] <kylescottmcgill> nice graph though
[01:30] <ububh> EndUserX: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_partition
[01:30] <EndUserX> years ago lindows haha
[01:31] <EndUserX> looking at it now ububh
[01:31] <ububh> EndUserX: what do you understnad from sub-point 1 of the 2nd macro-point?
[01:32] <EndUserX> ububh which part?
[01:32] <EndUserX> what are you wanting to do specifically
[01:32] <ububh> sub-point 1 of the 2nd macro-point
[01:33] <ububh> EndUserX: "Mount point: /boot/efi (remark: no need to set this mount point when using the manual partitioning, the Ubuntu installer will detect it automatically) "
[01:34] <ububh> EndUserX: Fedora's installer (Anaconda) auto-created the EFI partition during install
[01:34] <EndUserX> oh I wouldn't worry about EFI unless you installed your other OSs in EFI mode
[01:34] <EndUserX> ahh gotcha
[01:35] <EndUserX> it says the manual should pick that up
[01:36] <ububh> EndUserX: so I only need to create / for Ubuntu and go straight?
[01:36] <EndUserX> so shouldn't be a prob, I never had to mess with it when installing ubuntu along side fedora
[01:36] <EndUserX> yeah just / should be fine and check to be sure any partitions you wanna keep are not marked for installation or formatting
[01:37] <EndUserX> it was gentoo it missed right?
[01:37] <EndUserX> but it saw fedora
[01:38] <ububh> EndUserX: yup, I was a bit confused reading from the link I posted you. Thanks for explaining me the thing!
[01:38] <ububh> EndUserX: give me 1 sec to explain
[01:38] <EndUserX> no prob
[01:39] <EndUserX> you can always add whatever OS it misses to grub after install so as long as it doesn't get overwritten
[01:39] <EndUserX> that was my main point I guess
[01:39] <Rosenzweig> I kind of wish Apple went bankrupt and some of their good programmers went to Ubuntu.
[01:39] <ububh> EndUserX: 1st of all I installed Fedora and I let the installer creating the default partition scheme, I only deleted swap and reduced size of / partition
[01:40] <EndUserX> here is a great grub2 tutorial if you need it ububh http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
[01:40] <ububh> EndUserX: Fedora uses high-patched grub-legacy-efi
[01:41] <EndUserX> been awhile since I ran fedora, last version I installed was 16 I think
[01:41] <ububh> EndUserX: 2nd I installed gentoo and it's booting directly via EFISTUB with its own entry in EUFI boot
[01:41] <PeTaz> fedora is at version 17 EndUserX
[01:42] <EndUserX> in that case ububh I'd skip letting ubuntu install grub and add ubuntu to fedora's grub
[01:42] <ububh> EndUserX: mmm
[01:42] <ububh> EndUserX: should be better... Yup!
[01:45] <ububh> EndUserX: understood why ubuntu installer sees only gentoo! Ok, let it choose the option "install alongside gentoo"
[01:45] <ububh> EndUserX: Fedora and Gentoo partition won't be touched
[01:46] <EndUserX> cool
[01:46] <ububh> EndUserX: so, let Ubuntu auto-install and auto-configure
[01:47] <EndUserX> as long as that option doesn't include installing grub
[01:47] <tony1>  is there any one who can answer to me   ''how to Running Java Program from command prompt''
[01:47] <somsip> tony1: java -jar {file}
[01:48]  * ububh UEFI gives us a lot of cool improvements, but it-s a bit hard to work with... Just like the upgrade from grub and grub2
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> tony1, assuming its a .jar, `java -jar /path/to/file`
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> tony1, assuming its *not* a jar, you may need a java compiler first.
[01:50]  * vect0r cries
[01:50] <tony1> i used both''java-jar/path/to/file'' & java -jar {file}
[01:50] <vect0r> I only play one game, and somehow it has a gold rating according to winehq, but after like 36 hours of trying every method I think I'm done, lol. Probably the fact that I'm using an AMD card.
[01:50] <tony1> but i cant running java program
[01:50] <warfar_> http://pastebin.com/3GEyCqeL
[01:51] <tic-toc> What replaces Silverlight in Ubuntu?
[01:51] <EndUserX> I never have much luck with ATI non-free drivers for my card
[01:51] <vect0r> well I'd pay for a driver if it would fix the wine issue. The catalyst driver is running fine - can run Team Fortress 2 beautifully.
[01:52] <vect0r> or any linux game for that matter
[01:52] <vect0r> just wine.
[01:52] <tony1>  i used both''java-jar/path/to/file'' & java -jar {file},but i cant running java program  ,,,,,,, please help me
[01:52] <ububh> anyone here could tell me if Serious Sam 3 goes well on i3 with Intel HD 3000?
[01:52] <ububh> I mean Serious Sam 3 from Steam
[01:53] <PeTaz> i dont think so
[01:54] <EndUserX> ububh how is the install progressing?
[01:54] <tony1>  i used both''java-jar/path/to/file'' & java -jar {file},but i cant running java program  ,,,,,,, please help me... how to run java program from command prompot?
[01:54] <ububh> is installing
[01:54] <EndUserX> cool
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> tony1: if you run:   java -version     what is output?
[01:55] <warfar_> hey i have a problem
[01:55] <EndUserX> are you able to add entries to grub on your own then
[01:55] <PeTaz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI2Nzc
[01:55] <warfar_> i am running on my flashdrive and it wasys no more space but i still have 7 gb left
[01:55] <warfar_> says*
[01:55] <EndUserX> I assume you must be versed in Linux with having gentoo installed :-)
[01:55] <ububh> EndUserX: it's not so guru!
[01:56] <ububh> EndUserX: simply keep most of the things at their default values to get Gentoo booting into a DE
[01:56] <ububh> EndUserX: the fun part is the manual configuration of the kernel
[01:57] <EndUserX> ububh my prob is I tried to take a shortcut and follow the gentoo quick install guide but I did get it to a DE, I installed lcde
[01:57] <EndUserX> lxde
[01:57] <ububh> EndUserX: where's the prob?! It's already a good thing!
[01:57] <EndUserX> yeah I kept having probs with the kernel and grub with gentoo lol
[01:58] <ububh> EndUserX: no problems... The only thing is that you need a lot of time for tweaking
[01:58] <EndUserX> I learned allot that day though
[01:58] <tony1> when i run java version, the out put is no command 'java-'found
[01:59] <ububh> EndUserX: for example, I can't get my external usb hdd automounted in gentoo.
[01:59] <ububh> EndUserX: I'm trying to get it work
[01:59] <EndUserX> tony1 can't you run a js file just like a shell script example sudo sh ./myprog.js
[02:00] <ububh> EndUserX: in common distros (openSUSE, Sabayon, Fedora, Ubuntu) you simply plug your 1TB ntfs formatted ext hdd to get it automounted or simply click on the notification tray to get it mounted
[02:00] <PeTaz> you need root to run java program?
[02:00] <EndUserX> oh wait, you need the jre then it sounds like
[02:01] <EndUserX> PeTaz was just an example
[02:01] <PeTaz> sure...
[02:01] <tony1> yes i cant open on sudo sh./myprog.js
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> tony1: there is a SPACE between the word 'java' and the '-version'
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> tony1: java -version     NOT  java-version
[02:02] <EndUserX> good point ActionPartnership
[02:02] <PeTaz> *ALERT* Major Network Performance Regressions In Linux *ALERT*
[02:02] <ububh> EndUserX: finshed. let's reboot
[02:02] <ActionParsnip> tony1: you may want to check your space bar works ok
[02:03] <PeTaz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI2Nzc
[02:03] <EndUserX> ububh I think in gentoo you have to compile that stuff into the kernel for automount
[02:04] <PeTaz> automount is a security hazards
[02:04] <decci> I have the following environment:Environment: 1. Dell C6100 server 2. Compellent SAN storage 3. i350 network card installed and connected to Compellent SAN using iscsi 4. Operating System Ubuntu 12.04 server 5. Jviewer console to DRAC
[02:04] <ActionParsnip> PeTaz: users can run java stuff
[02:05] <decci> I am trying to Install Ubuntu 12.04 server
[02:05] <PeTaz> thats what i said
[02:05] <CarlFK> ubuntu server box doing NAT between cable modem and a few boxes with local IPs in my house.    I kinda know how to use iptables to forward ports from public side to internal IPs, but I here there are nice front ends.. any recommendations ?
[02:05] <EndUserX> yeah you don't need to be root, PeTaz was right to chastise me for that
[02:05] <PeTaz> i was asking EndUserX if he knew about it
[02:06] <EndUserX> sorry PeTaz I'm so used to running the bash script I wrote that needs root to perform its task
[02:07] <TeamRocket1233c> How well will a Sansa Clip work with VLC or Rhythmbox?
[02:07] <EndUserX> I wrote a bash script that automates installing Sun Java from Oracle for me
[02:08] <EndUserX> I call it Instant Java lol
[02:08] <TeamRocket1233c> Wanna get a 4-gig Sansa Clip in the near future, which is why I'm asking.
[02:08] <rifter> does anyone know where to get help for konqueror? I am trying to get rid of the autocompletion from forms, and even when I turn form completion off it keeps completing the form with wrong data and screwing everything up.  I tried to search and found this ancient bug which says that is the expected behaviour please that cannot be true https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129760
[02:08] <ububh> EndUserX: fine!
[02:08] <ububh> EndUserX: Gentoo shows at grub menu with - of course - Ubuntu
[02:08] <EndUserX> how about fedora
[02:09] <rifter> there's a place to clear history, clear cookies, clear cache, but not to clear forms that I can see. and the FAQ specificaly says hwo to clear things that are NOT forms
[02:09] <ububh> EndUserX: There is no Fedora's entry, but it's fine, because its partition is still there! :]
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> tony1: did you run the command yet?
[02:09] <rifter> but nothing on forms there, or in the help
[02:09] <EndUserX> yeah so just need to add fedora to grub ububh and you will be ready to rock and roll
[02:09] <decci> Due to lenghty description, I have put my issue in pastebin. 1. Dell C6100 server 2. Compellent SAN storage 3. i350 network card installed and connected to Compellent SAN using iscsi 4. Operating System Ubuntu 12.04 server 5. Jviewer console to DRAC  Task: 1. Install Ubuntu 12.04 server  Background: The iscsi appears as http://tracker.webtechnologyfocused.com.au/ehw/Capture6.JPG in the BIOS boot up. I am able to install Centos 6.3 fine
[02:10] <decci> Sorry
[02:10] <tony1> i cant run so far the command
[02:10] <decci> Can anyone suggest me with this issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1505292/
[02:10] <EndUserX> ububh so do you have it from here?
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> tony1: run:  java -version     you can copy and paste to the terminal
[02:11] <ububh> EndUserX: I don't remember... What is used in Ubuntu to add GRUB entry?
[02:11] <ububh> EndUserX: os-prober?
[02:12] <EndUserX> should be able to just sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg I think and add the entry in and then run sudo update-grub
[02:13] <IdleOne> ububh: os-prober works
[02:13] <EndUserX> I'm not familiar with os-prober
[02:13] <EndUserX> how does that work?
[02:13] <ububh> IdleOne: is that the autosearch and autoadd OSes, right?
[02:13] <IdleOne> ububh: correct
[02:13] <ububh> IdleOne: sudo os-prober
[02:13] <excalibas> entify excalibur
[02:14] <ububh> IdleOne: with root I mean
[02:14] <IdleOne> EndUserX: basically it looks for other OSes and adds them to grub
[02:14] <rifter> I'm trying to do this on the gmail account ccreation screen, and in konqueror I can't click any fields on that screen ayway
[02:14] <IdleOne> ububh: yes sudo os-prober
[02:14] <ububh> ubottu: am I right?
[02:14] <EndUserX> hah I never knew, os-prober looks cool
[02:14] <ububh> lol
[02:14] <EndUserX> so os-prober ads to the grub automagically after detection too?
[02:15] <ububh> EndUserX: yes
[02:15] <EndUserX> schweet
[02:15] <tony1> thanks to everyone, now i run the command
[02:15] <ububh> EndUserX: it's not always perfect, but works fine most of the time
[02:15] <EndUserX> gonna have to remember that one
[02:17] <EndUserX> well gang I should get on with some real life, you all were so helpful to me earlier today I wanted to give a little back or at least try :-)
[02:17]  * EndUserX waves goodnight
[02:18] <PeTaz> goodnight
[02:19] <Wraithan> Howdy, not an ubuntu user but I dumped it on my girlfriend's computer. Was wondering if ubuntu 12.04 came with an IM client like pidgin or if she'd need to install it via the app store thing y'all have. I know it has facebook integration which if I recall from a friend used epiphany which also has other IM backends
[02:19] <Wraithan> I am not with her to be able to just dig through, so I thought I'd ask you folks!
[02:21] <xangua> Wraithan: it comes with emphaty
[02:23] <spacejammin> hi
[02:23] <Wraithan> xangua: empathy that is what I was thinking, cool, I'll see if she can find that, thanks!
[02:26] <moes> I used Startup disk creator to install Ubuntu-12.04 to a 16gb flash drive set reserved extra space at 4 mib...when I try to open 4.3gb file I get the error: "could not find file/cow"
[02:26] <ububh> fine.
[02:27] <ububh> when pressing F12 at boot I can choose Fedora loader, gentoo loader and ubuntu loader
[02:27] <ububh> ubuntu loader load then grub2
[02:27] <ububh> and ubuntu's grub2 menu shows ubuntu+fedora+gentoo
[02:27] <ububh> yayyy!!! :D :D
[02:32] <grahamsavage> hi
[02:33] <Martijn-NL> hi grhamsavage
[02:33] <grahamsavage> rm --recursive $(ls -btd /srv/ph/apps/dd/releases/* | tail -n +4);  << is there anyway i can change that command
[02:33] <Tmacy> hi
[02:33] <grahamsavage> so that it doesn't through an error?
[02:33] <grahamsavage> if the releases directory is empty
[02:33] <grahamsavage> i've been playing for a while.. can't work it out
[02:34] <kylescottmcgill> why dont you just pass the errors to /dev/null
[02:34] <grahamsavage> because if it's a permissions error
[02:34] <grahamsavage> i need to know
[02:34] <grahamsavage> it's just in the case it's empty i don't care
[02:35] <kylescottmcgill> 2>/dev/null
[02:35] <kylescottmcgill> rm --recursive $(ls -btd /srv/ph/apps/dd/releases/* | tail -n +4) 2>/dev/null
[02:36] <grahamsavage> yeah but that will pipe all errors right?
[02:36] <kylescottmcgill> if rm cant find anything it will send those errors to /dev/null
[02:36] <kylescottmcgill> is ls is returning the error, move the 2>..... around a bit
[02:37] <asw3> will NTFS on DOK work good?
[02:37] <kylescottmcgill>  rm --recursive $(ls -btd /srv/ph/apps/dd/releases/* 2>/dev/null | tail -n +4)
[02:37] <kylescottmcgill> wtc
[02:37] <asw3> in ubuntu?
[02:37] <kylescottmcgill> etc**
[02:37] <grahamsavage> ohh yes
[02:37] <grahamsavage> :)
[02:38] <grahamsavage> kyle: thanks :D
[02:38] <grahamsavage> i think that's going to work
[02:38] <kylescottmcgill> np :)
[02:38] <asw3> so if my dok have NTFS its will be stable in ubuntu?
[02:38] <kylescottmcgill> asw3: whats a dok?
[02:39] <asw3> disk on key
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> asw3: ntfs is readable and writable in ubuntu
[02:39] <asw3> full support?
[02:39] <kylescottmcgill> if you have issues im sure fuse will have you covered
[02:39] <kantlivelong> hey all.. how can i rerun the prompts for an install of softwarE? i
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> asw3: not 100%, it is proprietary to Microsoft
[02:40] <kylescottmcgill> kantlivelong: what do you mean re-run?
[02:40] <asw3> so ubuntu will not ruin my file system?
[02:40] <doctor_how> Hail, gentlemen. My USB mic isn't showing up in ubuntu sound settings or alsamixer, although it does show up in the output from lsusb. My Google-fu hasn't licked the problem yet but just wondered if somebody could point me in the right direction.
[02:40] <moes> I used Startup disk creator to install Ubuntu-12.04 to a 16gb flash drive set reserved extra space at 4 mib...when I try to open 4.3gb file I get the error: "could not find file/cow"
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> asw3: as long as you use it right (safe remove after use etc) you'll be fine
[02:40] <asw3> thanks you
[02:40] <kantlivelong> kylescottmcgill: when doing apt-get install there were some prompts asking for values.. i want to reshow them
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> moes: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded (if you manually downloaded the ISO)
[02:41] <kantlivelong> kylescottmcgill: removing/installing doesnt show them again
[02:41] <kylescottmcgill> kantlivelong: dpkg-reconfigure
[02:41] <doctor_how> Plugs and plays just fine on roommate's Ubuntu box, too. So it's not the mic.
[02:41] <mili> Hi.  Just set up 12.10 on someone's laptop.  the wifi stays connected but internet access is laggy, goes in spurts, pages won't load then instantly do on a refresh, torrents are almost unusable.
[02:41] <kylescottmcgill> you have to that in order to get some of those prompts back, but generally once things are set, you can edit the config files (for some things)
[02:41] <moes> ActionParsnip, I Ran md5sum burned to cd then used to startup disk creator
[02:42] <kylescottmcgill> moes: you know 4mib is tiny yeah?
[02:42] <Dunitek> Mili: Where did you get the drivers?
[02:42] <mili> Dunitek the defaults from the install
[02:43] <Dunitek> mili, Did you by any chance check Additional Drivers from the settings menu?
[02:43] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: inside alsamixer, can you press F6 (i think) and it should show you the different input options etc
[02:43] <mili> i'll doublecheck but i'm pretty sure.  i was having trouble installing things from repos and fiddled with sources a bit ago, so i think i ticked that one off too
[02:43] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: Tried that too, doesn't seem to do anything.
[02:44] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: also when you plug it in, run dmesg to see if error spawn
[02:44] <kylescottmcgill> errors**
[02:44] <troop> hello again. after installed nvidia driver, purple boot screen is broke. it doesnt effect booting but not nice view for me. can i fix it?
[02:44] <kylescottmcgill> troop: does it stop you from getting in?
[02:44] <mili> actually it's now saying there's 223 updates ... that it didn't show when i checked right after install 2 hours ago.
[02:45] <troop> no only i see text, i boot normally but not looks good
[02:45] <mili> i'll assume they'll help the issue.  or rather, hope so.
[02:45] <Dunitek> When you're arround the PC - Go to System -> Administration -> Additional Drivers and double check
[02:46] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: Ayup, this is what I get from dmesg, a new lead for googling at least https://gist.github.com/4471895
[02:46] <Dunitek> Also, look up the wireless card to see if there is some third party driver for it
[02:46] <kylescottmcgill> yeah thats kinda weird
[02:47] <troop> can i fix it?
[02:47] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: sorry that last message was for you
[02:47] <doctor_how> yeah thanks
[02:47] <mili> heh, there's no 'administration' ... a few things seem odd about this install.  i'll let the updates run and if it stays weird i'll try checking drivers
[02:48] <kylescottmcgill> troop: if it boots i would leave it, otherwise it could be a grub boot command thing... it could be a lot really
[02:48] <vitimiti> o/
[02:48] <mili> also since they are used to windows i will probably switch them over to gnome .. this sidebar thing and the top bar/menu confuses them
[02:48] <Dunitek> Ohhhhhh! You are using Unity!
[02:49] <troop> it boots nicely but i don't like the view. low resolution and readable texts
[02:49] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: Just disconnected and reconnected it and ran dmesg again and this time it didn't give a hardware error, otherwise same info
[02:49] <kylescottmcgill> troop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:49] <kylescottmcgill> there is a section under Boot Splash Screen Issues
[02:49] <mili> yeah, was going to switch them to gnome once i got all the other little things done, but the wifi has been acting like this so i haven't gotten to do much
[02:49] <troop> kylescottmcgill, im looking
[02:50] <troop> kylescottmcgill, the topic "Boot Splash Screen Issues" is right?
[02:50] <Dunitek> mili: Try searching for Additional Drivers in the applications menu
[02:50] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: troop yeah
[02:51] <macmartine> My server started something new today where after a reboot things are okay but eventually all requests timeout with a 504 gateway timeout. I'm looking at 'top' and nothing appears to be taking too much memory. What else should I look into?
[02:51] <mili> hmmm the wifi seems to be fixing itself already.  it wasn't the router, or the service, 2 other laptops were doing fine on it when the new ubuntu machine was having problems
[02:51] <vitimiti> I have unistalled with purge fglrx* and xorg-server and reinstalled fglrx, but I still have this problem, can somebody help me having direct rendering? -> http://pastebin.com/pPmMCMKs
[02:51] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: open up a terminal, and cd /dev/snd/by-id/
[02:51] <Dunitek> mili: Found it: open the Software Sources app via the Dash (or through System Settings) and hit the ‘Additional Drivers‘ tab.
[02:51] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: then ls that directory and let me know if anything is in there
[02:52] <mili> anyway problems seem solved.  thanks for the help Dunitek.  i'll update the drivers if anything's there, after this update and reboot.  maybe you could tell me if there's a preferred method for getting gnome?
[02:52] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill is by-id indicating the device id gained from lsusb or something or is that the literal string?
[02:52] <mili> oh.  ok just found what you said.  it's set now on that
[02:52] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: im just trying to make sure its picking it up as a snd device
[02:53] <Dunitek> mili: sudo apt-get -y install gnome
[02:53] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: eg.: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan  7 00:57 usb-SteelSeries_SteelSeries_Diablo_III_Headset_000000000000-00 -> ../controlC1
[02:53] <Dunitek> sudo apt-get -y remove unity
[02:53] <kylescottmcgill> is mine
[02:53] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: i'm stupid and as soon as I typed that just started looking around. nothing called by-id, only one called by-path
[02:53] <mili> heh that simple.  rad.  i'd like to leave unity in case they want to play with it more but default to gnome
[02:53] <Dunitek> mili: You can also make unity act like gnome: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[02:53] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: ok, if there is no by-id maybe it hasnt picked it up properly
[02:53] <mili> oh... maybe i'll try that first.  cool
[02:54] <Dunitek> Mili: One more thing: After it's installed, you'll need to logout, and then select "Gnome classic" for your session before you log back in again.
[02:55] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: under the by-path, is there anything, i also have a pci-xxxxx:xx:xxx-usb device
[02:55] <kylescottmcgill> but im pretty sure the ubuntu is just hating on your USB Headset
[02:55] <tmacy__> Tmacy:
[02:55] <doctor_how> hahaha sounds like.
[02:55] <doctor_how> all I get is pci-0000:00:1b.0 , probably the onboard
[02:55] <kylescottmcgill> ya
[02:55] <Tmacy> tmacy__:?
[02:56] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: lemme go plug it into my roommate's computer and see what he gets, since i know it works there
[02:57] <kylescottmcgill> yeah what version is he using?
[02:58] <Wizek> Is there a Jing alternative for Linux/Ubuntu? Need not be a single software package, but It is a simmilar workflow I'm looking for: Shot -> edit/click_ok -> url_on_clipboard_already
[02:59] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: he's on 12.10, i'm on 12.04
[03:00] <kylescottmcgill> he might have a later version of alsamixer maybe
[03:01] <kylescottmcgill> idk, if its not throwing an error im not sure how to fix it, googling it hasnt come up with much
[03:05] <frozenlock> I must change a line in the modprobe XPAD file and recompile it. I know what line to change, but I don't know where to find the file on my machine. Could I get some assistance? Pretty please? :P
[03:05] <leku> hello I'm trying to install 12.10 on an older dell inspiron e1505 with 1GB of RAM and a core duo proc
[03:06] <doctor_how> kylescottmcgill: thanks anyway, I appreciate the effort. this is the kind of crap that forces me to learn I guess.
[03:06] <leku> I used the i386 image and it won't even boot off of it on the dvd
[03:06] <leku> should I be using some other distribution for this POS?
[03:07] <daftykins> leku: x86 32-bit image would be fine, have you got the exact filename of the ISO you grabbed to hand?
[03:08] <leku> ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[03:08] <kylescottmcgill> doctor_how: thats the spirit :)
[03:08] <daftykins> leku: yeah that should be fine, can you confirm you wrote the disc properly? also, don't be offended, but you didn't write just the file to the DVD rather than as an image?
[03:09] <leku> i'll double check
[03:09] <ActionParsnip> leku: sounds fine to me, LXDE will give a snappier UI
[03:09] <leku> i just grabbed lubuntu
[03:09] <leku> seems to be written fine, will test on another laptop brb
[03:10] <donnie> No idea how to get a downloaded font to my fonts folder for OO use
[03:12] <mili> heh, unity is already crashing.  dash is up and i can't close it or alt-tab to anything else
[03:13] <xangua> gbnfgfhfh
[03:13] <leku> loads fine on my other machines
[03:15] <ActionParsnip> mili: hit ESC maybe...
[03:15] <mili> tried it
[03:16] <mili> but the system update finished so i'm just rebooting
[03:16] <mili> except it's not rebooting....
[03:17] <ActionParsnip> mili: press CTRL+ALT+F1 and log in there, then run: sudo shutdown -r now
[03:17] <lyang0> lost connect with irc server: irc bad file description if I use pidgin
[03:18] <lyang0> any one meet this problem?
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> lyang0: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[03:19] <lyang0> what do you mean
[03:20] <APPLE> coin
[03:20] <APPLE> coin
[03:20] <APPLE> 1613 personnes
[03:20] <APPLE> bordel
[03:20] <APPLE> sa fais beaucoup
[03:20] <APPLE> bite
[03:20] <FloodBot1> APPLE: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:20] <APPLE> Bite
[03:20] <ActionParsnip> lyang0: its a terminal command
[03:20] <sorohan> JOIN bloomtools
[03:21] <kv_> can I develop apps for the ubuntu phone in a similar way it is done with iOS?
[03:22] <lyang0> lyang0@lyang0-OptiPlex-755:~/WORK/Learn$ cat /etc/issue
[03:22] <lyang0> Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l
[03:22] <ActionParsnip> lyang0: that is EOL in 4 months (ish), just so you know
[03:22] <ActionParsnip> lyang0: could try renaming ~/.purple   then rerun the app
[03:23] <somsip> !phone | kv_
[03:23] <kv_> ubottu: thanks
[03:24] <leku> is it possible for a virus to not let me boot into linux?
[03:24] <leku> from a dvd boot
[03:24] <ActionParsnip> leku: you could get an MBR virus, I guess
[03:24] <leku> but theres no reason for it to read the MBR
[03:24] <leku> when booting off a cdrom
[03:24] <leku> this thing keeps going into XP when I try to boot off the dvd
[03:25] <mili> Dunitek there are no additional drivers available, it's not listing anything.  and network is still spotty.
[03:25] <warfar_> hey i keep getting not enough space but i have 8 gb on my flashdrive available
[03:25] <warfar_> how do i fix this
[03:25] <mili> it stays connected but pages hang for several seconds before loading, which isn't happening on any other machine
[03:26] <ActionParsnip> leku: did you change the BIOS to boot CD first?
[03:26] <mili> a speedtest shows 35Mb and fine upstream but it's like it's taking several seconds to just initiate contact with servers when trying to load pages
[03:26] <leku> yeah I have and I've tried the one time boot menu
[03:26] <ActionParsnip> mili: can you pastebin the output of:   sudo lshw -C network; lsb_release -a; uname -a
[03:27] <crammer> hi. im unable to switch my USB wireless adapter to monitor mode
[03:27] <ActionParsnip> leku: does the disk boot in other systems?
[03:27] <leku> yep
[03:28] <ActionParsnip> crammer: what wifi chip?
[03:29] <crammer> Realtek RTL8191SU
[03:29] <mili> ActionParsnip working on it, 1 sec
[03:29] <ActionParsnip> crammer: and the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[03:29] <mili> pastebin.com/hKh0LuZ5
[03:30] <crammer> ill get that. heres the command and output for now
[03:30] <crammer> http://pastebin.com/GEeKVqrP
[03:30] <mili> ew.  atheros.  bad.
[03:31] <crammer> ActionParsnip: output is "quantal"
[03:31] <grahamsa_> how can i check if a file exists?
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> mili: echo "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf > /dev/null
[03:32] <mili> also there's no 'gnome' in repos according to apt-get
[03:32] <grahamsa_> i.e. get true or false?
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> grahamsa_: use the 'file' command
[03:32] <aberrant> grahamsa_: test -e
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> mili: gnome is default installed in Ubuntu
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> crammer: http://forum.aircrack-ng.org/index.php?topic=12242.0
[03:33] <mili> ActionParsnip i assume hwcrypt is causing slowdowns or has compatibility problems and just needs disabled
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> mili: possibly, the fix is mentioned in a few forums
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> mili: reboot to test, if it's no good, just delete the conf file and reboot
[03:35] <grahamsa_> aberrant: i tried test -e
[03:35] <grahamsa_> doesn't work.. actionparsnip: cool
[03:35] <grahamsa_> i.e. if i get stdout
[03:35] <grahamsa_> it works
[03:35] <aberrant> grahamsa_: yes it does.
[03:35] <aberrant> grahamsa_: test -e <filename> ; echo $?
[03:35] <amu> hey
[03:36] <ActionParsnip> aberrant: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/test-file-exists-bash-shell/
[03:37] <aberrant> ActionParsnip: yes. [ is a synonym for test.
[03:37] <amu> hello guys 'n girls
[03:38] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: Hey me again. I need help booting into linux with nouveau blacklisted again
[03:38] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: hold SHIFT at boot, remove:   quiet splash   and add:   nouveau.blacklist=1
[03:39] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: hold Shift before grub loads? or after I select Ubuntu from grub?
[03:39] <warfar_> help i cant uninstall packages
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: SHIFT makes Grub show up, you can then press E to (e)dit the kernel
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> warfar_: what are you trying to uninstall and how are you doing it?
[03:40] <grahamsa_> aberrant: doens't work for me
[03:40] <amu> hello  I want some  fantastic themes and wall papers for my ubuntu
[03:40] <aberrant> grahamsa_: it's a standard way of testing. what are you doing, and what are you getting?
[03:40] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: Okay, I pressed E, and I'm in the grub commands. I just delete quite splash and I put in nouveau.blacklist=1 in its place?
[03:40] <grahamsa_> test -e /bla/bla
[03:40] <grahamsa_> getting no output
[03:40] <hero616> Which key is <Primary>, I can't find it.
[03:40] <aberrant> grahamsa_: yes. then do an 'echo $?'
[03:41] <aberrant> grahamsa_: test -e /bla/bla; echo $?
[03:41] <hero616> Another name?
[03:41] <warfar_> http://pastebin.com/kjA82aWU
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: yes, then hit ENTER to continue the boot
[03:41] <grahamsa_> oh aberrant: very nice :D
[03:42] <aberrant> grahamsa_: or, if you're going to do something with that file, test -e /bla/bla && cat /bla/bla - or whatever.
[03:42] <grahamsa_> ah yeah
[03:42] <grahamsa_> that is an awesome command
[03:42] <ActionParsnip> warfar_: line 44 is a massive clue
[03:42] <grahamsa_> i reckon i'll use that all the time
[03:42] <aberrant> grahamsa_: man test - lots of options.
[03:43] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: It said use Ctrl+x to boot, I did that and its booting now, hopefully it worked and won't freeze on me, installation went fine after I used the command
[03:43] <warfar_> how do i get R/W
[03:43] <aberrant> grahamsa_: test is invaluable if you're doing any sort of scripting. Also look at [ which is a synonym.
[03:43] <Sir_Fawnpug> Is there a way to chainload the liveCD from GRUB?
[03:43] <grahamsa_> abarrent: i been scripting tons of stuff. can't believe i've not come across it
[03:43] <aberrant> heh
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> warfar_: run:   sudo mount -o rw,remount /
[03:44] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: It just did it again, my mouse is frozen
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> warfar_: I assume you have only one partition not counting swap
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: try the 2D session
[03:44] <warfar_> i have many but 1 hdd
[03:45] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: my computer auto logs in
[03:45] <aberrant> wow. us.archive.ubuntu.com is slow as heck right now. :(
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: then press CTRL+ALT+F1, log in there and run:  killall -u $USER    then log in to the 2D session
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> aberrant: change source....
[03:46] <aberrant> ActionParsnip: been switching around but in the middle of a big apt-get, so can't :)
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> aberrant: when you can then :)
[03:46] <aberrant> yah
[03:46] <aberrant> ActionParsnip: any recommended?
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> aberrant: recommended what?
[03:46] <aberrant> ActionParsnip: sources besides us.archive?
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> aberrant: just change to a different one....
[03:47] <aberrant> is there a list somewhere?
[03:47] <felipe_Brz> compiz crashes everytime I use truecrypt to mount a volume... i run ubuntu 12.04... has anyone else had this happen to them?
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> aberrant: there is a function in software centre. I'd just remove the 'us.' from within sources.list to use the main server
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> felipe_Brz: is it ok in 2D session
[03:48] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: okay, I'm at the login screen. How do I change the session?
[03:48] <aberrant> ah.
[03:48] <aberrant> ok
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: use the ubuntu icon near your username
[03:48] <felipe_Brz> ActionParsnip:  sorry, what do you mean by that? cli version?
[03:48] <warfar_> ActionParsnip, i'm getting the same error again
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> felipe_Brz: no, Use Unity2D, if it is ok there then you know that it is compiz causiung the issue as the 2D uses something else
[03:49] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: sorry to be that guy, but I don't see an ubuntu Icon anywhere.
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> warfar_: I suggest you boot to liveCD and fsck the partitiojn
[03:49] <nickgaw> Hi, Where in ubuntu server does ubuntu store the wireless network name and key so it connects to it upon boot?
[03:50] <warfar_> i'm kinda limited atm
[03:50] <acdcfan> hello, i have a question if this is the place to ask
[03:50] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: I see my name, under that is a pw box, then guest session, remote login and at the bottom in stays ubuntu 12.10
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: http://software.opensuse.org/package/screenshot/lightdm.png   or the cog in thios picture, same thing
[03:51] <mili> ActionParsnip nope, no change
[03:51] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: the gear icon isn't next to my username.
[03:52] <mili> yet a speedtest just clocked 33.60Mb
[03:53] <acdcfan> i did a mount --bind in a users home directory to give them access to a folder on a different drive and while it lists fine over ssh, it doesn't list over vsftp. is there a vsftp setting i need to futz with? i didnt' see anything in the conf that looked promising
[03:54] <felipe_Brz> ActionParsnip:  hey now I've chosen ubuntu 2d on the main menu I've had no more crashes... thanks for helping.. so this means the culprit is indeed compiz?
[03:54] <nickgaw> when I installed ubuntu server my system has a 1 TB spining hard drive and  8 GB flash drive I installed ubuntu server to the flash portion and used the 1 TB as the home directories is this the best thing to do install the operating system on the flash portion of the drive?
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> felipe_Brz: yes, the 2D session doesn't use compiz. It also runs a whole lot faster :)
[03:54] <crammer> how do a reload a module
[03:55] <Muphrid> crammer: modprobe it
[03:55] <crammer> to make a device reload its drive, i use modprobe?
[03:55] <crammer> driver*
[03:55] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: is there a command line to make X boot into Unity 2d because I can't seem to get to the session selection via the login window
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> rmmod the modprobe
[03:55] <felipe_Brz> ActionParsnip:  i was about to say that... it doesn't look any different really. shouldn't it have one dimension less? hehe
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> felipe_Brz: just doesn't have the flashy animation rubbish
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  you could edit the .dmrc to select the default desktop. You are not on 12.10 are you?
[03:56] <Muphrid> crammer: sudo modprobe modulename
[03:56] <xenome> is there any easy way to remove all ubuntu-desktop packages, I want to go back to CLI
[03:56] <Maverick_Hunter> dr_willis: I am
[03:56] <magik_> ActionParsnip, your still helping people? wow you were helping people when I left 4 hours ago lol
[03:56] <felipe_Brz> i see thanks for helping me and all the other people too ActionParsnip
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: you can edit lightdm.conf and set it there. Look around the screen. You can change the session type
[03:56] <xenome> and don't want to reinstall or switch to ubuntu-server
[03:56] <daftykins> nickgaw: assuming Linux can't make use of SSD cacheing yeah
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> magik_: 12 hour nightshift is my secret.
[03:57] <magik_> ActionParsnip, haha I've had a few of them doing security I just sat on the computer all night bored lol
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  there is no Unity 2d on 12.10
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  compiz/unity is supposed to use some llvm (sp?) mode for limited hardware
[03:58] <mkquist> ..
[03:58] <Maverick_Hunter> dr_willis: God I hate Unity. I was just going to install gnome3 over it once I was fully logged in anyway
[03:59] <seednode> Eh, Gnome3 isn't much better imo
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> I have no real issues with Unity. G3 seems differnt but works decently well once you get the hang o it
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> I had more issues with the old gnome ;)
[04:00] <seednode> I don't have a dislike of Unity, per se; I just prefer many other DE/WM/plugins to it
[04:00] <Maverick_Hunter> dr_willis: agreed, I switched the XFCE and LXDE after my issues with gnome2 toward the end.
[04:00] <ActionParsnip> seednode: Unity is a shell.....
[04:00] <seednode> ActionParsnip, I think you get the point, given my multiple nouns there
[04:00] <netf0x> hi
[04:00] <ActionParsnip> seednode: indeed :)
[04:01] <seednode> Perhaps I should use the blanket term interfaces next time
[04:01] <seednode> Since people nitpick any of those terms
[04:01] <magik_> ActionParsnip, Is there any way I can test to make sure my SAMBA share is working properly from the local machine,  I can see it running but I dunno if it will allow connect.  I don't have another laptop to test it with right now.
[04:01] <seednode> GNOME is a desktop environment, Compiz is the compositor for it, and Unity is a plugin for Compiz
[04:01] <seednode> It's complicated
[04:01] <xenome> seednode: do you know how to completely remove all the unit/ubuntu-desktop packages
[04:02] <seednode> Though, since Compiz/Unity are included with GNOME, it can still be considered a DE
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> magik_: run:   smbtree
[04:02] <netf0x> jl
[04:02] <seednode> xenome, no, I personally do not; someone here certainly does, though.
[04:02] <seednode> I haven't actually used ubuntu for a while now; I just hang around to help with non-distro specific issues
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> seednode: its not included with gnome, its just installed by default in Ubuntu
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> seednode: you can run Gnome and run openbox as WM if you want
[04:02] <seednode> ActionParsnip: Once again, we can nitpick this all day
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> seednode: indeed
[04:02] <seednode> ActionParsnip, But my point was still fairly clear ^^
[04:03] <magik_> ActionParsnip, I need to sudo install smbclient  I forgot I uninstalled one sec
[04:03] <crammer> how do i tell which .ko file my usb wifi adapter is using
[04:04] <magik_> ActionParsnip, When I smbtree I got nothing poping up
[04:05] <magik_> ActionParsnip, It asked me for my password and then nothing happens.
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed smbtree and findsmb  not working in recent disrtos
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> magik_: is samba running?
[04:06] <magik_> I'm using 12.10 64bit
[04:06] <magik_> ActionParsnip, yes both smbd and nmbd
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> crammer: sudo lshw -C network     the driver=   will give the name, you can then run:   sudo updatedb; locate drivername | grep ko
[04:08] <magik_> ActionParsnip, I did it again and got a return
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> linux/unix fundamentals.. if you use a command and it dosent print an error message.. then most likely It succeded. ;)
[04:10] <magik_> ActionParsnip, It told me //hostname hostname server (Samba,Ubuntu)
[04:10] <magik_> I'm sorry \\ instead of // bad habit of mine
[04:12] <magik_> Now the only way to test a connection would be with another computer?  Or is there a way I can do it localy
[04:13] <Maverick_Hunter> So I've decided to install gnome3 via cli and see if I can choose a session from there.
[04:14] <seednode> You'll need to either have a login manager thingy, or edit .xinitrc, IIRC
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> or edit the .dmrc
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> when i installed gnome3 it became the default for 'startx' for some reason
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> if you are intalling gnome3 may as well use gdm also.
[04:19] <seednode> Eh, I use LightDM, though I've heard it can have issues
[04:22] <I440r> ok i just installed ubuntu 12.whatever in a virtualbox vm. it runs about as fast as i can run going backwards through MUD.  no other vm on this machine runs this ssssslllllooooowwwww.  task 1: GET RID of unity and compiz.  i installed lxde. rebooted and... login brings me to unity, no options presented to select anything else
[04:23] <I440r> look in the system settings,, NOTHING to change default desktop
[04:23] <I440r> how do i switch to the lxde i just installed
[04:23] <I440r> and make IT the default so i can start purging the trash
[04:23] <daftykins> I440r: most moved to Linux Mint to escape the torture
[04:24] <I440r> i specifically chose ubuntu for a reason and this is in a vm
[04:24] <I440r> how do i make lxde THE de
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> I440r: the last session used is remembered for each user
[04:25] <I440r> great... how do i "Switch session"
[04:25] <I440r> because i cant find that either
[04:25] <I440r> lol
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> I440r: select it on the login screen
[04:25] <I440r> there is no option to select it
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> I440r: use the ubutu icon near your username
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> I440r: of course there is
[04:25] <I440r> and whats more to get back to the login screen i have to reboot because i cannot see a "logout" option anywhere
[04:26] <I440r> oh i KNOW its there, i just dont know where
[04:26] <Maverick_Hunter> I didn't see it in my login screen either.
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> I440r: are you using the unity session? If so then the logout is under the cog menu in the top right
[04:26] <I440r> oh yea
[04:26] <I440r> i did see that before
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> I440r: can you find an image online of what your login screen looks like
[04:27] <I440r> i doubt i could find an image of it but i can describe it. thers a little window with my full name and a Password entry field below. below that is guest session and remote login
[04:28] <I440r> and theres a little ubuntu wheel thing there i can click to select DE
[04:28] <BryanRuiz1> my once working internal laptop camera doesnt work anymore...  its possible it stopped working when i switched to kubuntu.. any thoughts?
[04:28] <I440r> awesome. nicely hidden
[04:29] <I440r> yea switched to lxde and typing doesnt take 3 seconds per character any more
[04:29] <seednode> Heh...
[04:30] <seednode> I use Openbox, haven't noticed any input lag since
[04:30] <I440r> on my host system which is gentoo i use windowmaker
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> seednode: gotta love *box
[04:30] <seednode> ActionParsnip: Yep. I use it on my '06 laptop, and it runs beautifully
[04:30] <I440r> *box are all forks and heavy modifications to windowmaker i believe.. blackbox was the first *box and it was a direct fork of wm
[04:31] <seednode> Though, the laptop has 4GB RAm, so it works well enough anyways
[04:31] <ActionParsnip> seednode: i'd always use it, no matter what spec
[04:32] <seednode> ActionParsnip: Well, when I'm going for absolute minimum resource usage, I use i3
[04:32] <I440r> i got a question. does ubuntu also store terminfo files INCORRECTLY in /lib/terminfo the same as debian?
[04:32] <I440r> because their rationalization for doing so is moronic.  "We want to be able to use terminals with /usr unmounted so we put terminfo in /lib/terminfo"
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> I440r: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbox says blackbox is written from the ground up
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> I think some of the *box wm's were total rewrites.
[04:33] <I440r> except you CANT unmount /usr
[04:33] <I440r> ActionParsnip, i believe the very first incantation of BB was a fork
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> I440r: fair
[04:34] <Flannel> I440r: justification for Ubuntu doing it is "Debian does it that way", as Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian.
[04:35] <I440r> is there a way to get synaptic to show ONLY currently installed packages?
[04:35] <I440r> Flannel, still a limp wristed reason.  putting terminfo in /lib is WRONG
[04:35] <I440r> but ubuntu's guilt is lesser than debians
[04:36] <I440r> how do i make synaptic package manager show only packages that are installed
[04:36] <I440r> nvm i found it lol
[04:37] <I440r> as you see... im an ubuntu pro!
[04:37] <I440r> :/
[04:37] <Sir_Fawnpug> What are my installation options when both the cd drive and PXE fail?
[04:37] <Maverick_Hunter> I'm still freezing up after about a minute after logging in!
[04:37] <sgtkilljoy> Sir_Fawnpug: usb?
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> I440r: why not use dpkg to shown installed packages rather than a GUI app :)
[04:37] <I440r> because i want to mark all packages i want removed then remove them and their deps all at once
[04:38] <I440r> not remove items one at a time
[04:38] <Sir_Fawnpug> sgtkilljoy, that may be all that's left to me. I was afraid of that, cause my big usb key seems to be missing
[04:38] <magik_> ActionParsnip, whats the command to do that just dpkg ?
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> magik_: dpkg -l | awk {'print $2'}
[04:38] <magik_> ActionParsnip, thanks that will come in handy
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> I440r: apt-get accepts multiple package names
[04:39] <ActionParsnip> I440r: eg:  sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox* thunderbird* gnomine gnome-mahjong empathy*      and so on
[04:39] <I440r> dpkg --remove-all-these-packages-and-their-dependancies  then carefully type out the exact names of over 400 packages on the same line then hit enter
[04:39] <ActionParsnip> I440r: if its that many then I'd be using minimal and build up
[04:40] <I440r> or. get a list in a gui, select one and mark it for complete removal...
[04:40] <I440r> i was exagerating for effect it will probably be 40 or 50 tho
[04:40] <magik_> lol
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> You can install with just a 1gb USB flash drive i belive..
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> 2gb may be a better one to try.
[04:42] <kslater> Does anyone else have issues with the weather indicator on 12.04?
[04:42] <kslater> I can't seem to add a location to it
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> kslater:  ive noticed that happens a lot.
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> saw it the othe day in 12.10 on gnome-shell also. Not sure if its a server issue.. or whats going on.
[04:43] <ActionParsnip> kslater: I reported a bug where the location set never completes
[04:43] <ActionParsnip> kslater: but its occuring in Raring
[04:44] <kslater> loads of hits on weather indicator location crash
[04:44] <RagnaRok__> where are the icons for the indicators in the panels stored?
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> part of the icon themes i thought.
[04:45] <ActionParsnip> kslater: https://launchpad.net/~atareao/+archive/atareao?field.series_filter=precise   I used that and installed my-weather-indicator
[04:46] <RagnaRok__> Dr_Willis : where would i find that  folder?
[04:46] <kslater> ActionParsnip: and it works?
[04:46] <r4y> I need some help. My other computer is having trouble, but I don't want to go into detail at all right now. Instead I want to bypass having to use the ide ports, cables, hard drive to narrow down those being the possible problem from any other possible problem(s)
[04:46] <r4y> Do I use this to test Ubuntu on a usb drive or is it just for installing Ubuntu?
[04:46] <r4y> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[04:46] <RagnaRok__> nevermind i found it
[04:47] <RagnaRok__> thanks anyways :)
[04:47] <magik_> r4y, I think you can boot ubuntu from the USB drive or install
[04:48] <r4y> I guess I should try, I can always try some other way once I've downloaded Ubuntu for this, TY
[04:48] <magik_> r4y, I've had good luck with a 2gb drive booting ubuntu and intalling it.
[04:49] <ActionParsnip> kslater: yeah, runs fine
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> RagnaRok__:  should be one for each icon theme you have installed,  try the locate command toi see where exactly they are
[04:50] <ActionParsnip> r4y: the USB stick will give an OS that runs in RAM
[04:50] <r4y> I've used Ubuntu from usb before but I used Ubuntu to put it onto a usb drive and because it say 2 GBs and installer, I wasn't and am not sure about it just being for just installing, but I might as well try
[04:50] <RagnaRok__> Dr_Willis : I found it in "/usr/share/icons" , thanks man
[04:51] <r4y> TY for answering, take care
[04:52] <kslater> ActionParsnip: there are some other indicators in there that look interesting
[04:55] <voly> hello
[04:55] <cfhowlett> voly greeting
[04:55] <magik_> voly, hello
[04:56] <Muphrid> Ahoy
[04:56] <voly> my ubuntu server have install
[04:56] <voly> and running well
[04:56] <magik_> voly, cool beans ;)
[04:56] <voly> how conect my server with usb modem???
[04:57] <cfhowlett> !modem
[04:57] <voly> is't posible for my server bro?
[04:59] <magik_> voly, I'm sure it's possible,  But I am unfamiliar with usb modems in ubuntu
[05:00] <voly> ok magik
[05:00] <voly> thanks to ubottu for u link
[05:00] <voly> i try to learn first
[05:01] <magik_> also voly check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=883852 it talks about usb modems in ubuntu
[05:04] <gpled> lost my ethernet device.  if i boot up from live cd, it works. any help?
[05:05] <magik_> gpled, If nobody else here has any suggestions,  I would suggest backing up your data and reinstalling
[05:06] <cfhowlett> gpled: had something similar happen to me.  Discovered that if I turned off the wireless connection in Network Manager, the wired connection auto-connected properly
[05:07] <cfhowlett> gpled: reinstallation isn't called for.  This is more a matter of configuring your connection
[05:07] <tekkbuzz> Whenever I use apt-get I usually get this WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! Install these packages without verification [y/N]? Anyone know how to fix this?
[05:07] <JoeJulian> I'm trying to make a service start after the lvm volume it needs is mounted but it keeps starting before. Any upstart experts around?
[05:07] <alexhairyman> Good night
[05:08] <gpled> ifconfig only shows lo device
[05:08] <sgtkilljoy> tekkbuzz: sudo apt-get update
[05:08] <cfhowlett> tekkbuzz: the package maintainers need to renew their certificates/approvals/credentials. You CAN install anyway ...
[05:08] <jomaxro> Is the ubuntu 12.10 iso usb drive bootable?
[05:08] <tekkbuzz> sgtkilljoy, done that.
[05:08] <gpled> how can i manually get to my Network Manager?
[05:08] <cfhowlett> jomaxro: of course
[05:09] <jomaxro> is there an easy way to flash it onto a drive?
[05:09] <jomaxro> or can I just copy the files extracted from the iso?
[05:09] <cfhowlett> jomaxro: unetboootin or the default startup-disk-creator
[05:09] <tekkbuzz> cfhowlett, thanks, I thought there was a key to install or something.
[05:09] <jomaxro> windows, sorry
[05:09] <jomaxro> installing ubuntu
[05:09] <jomaxro> new hard drive
[05:10] <cfhowlett> tekkbuzz: startupdiskcreator will configure the usb for booting the iso
[05:10] <sgtkilljoy> jomaxro: unetbootin, is available for windows
[05:10] <magik_> I think you have to write the image to the usb drive I used a program in windows to make the usb drive called Universal USB installer
[05:10] <jomaxro> cool, googleing
[05:17] <Sir_Fawnpug> So I'd like to chainload smartbootmanager on the installation CD cause I have GRUB, but for some bizarre reason I can't boot from the CD itself
[05:17] <Bsims> is there a easy way to boot a vm as a live usb?
[05:17] <Sir_Fawnpug> I was wondering if I need the memdisk module or if I'm cool without it
[05:17] <Bsims> Sir_Fawnpug: I dunno never used either
[05:17] <gpled> where do modules live?
[05:17] <Bsims> gpled: for kernel?
[05:17] <Sir_Fawnpug> gpled, I believe /usr/lib now
[05:18] <Sir_Fawnpug> Used to be /lib
[05:18] <Sir_Fawnpug> Although that might have been an ArchLinux change and not something that happened globally
[05:18] <gpled> Bsims: eth0 type
[05:18] <coolBunny> request help from anyone who has initiated their kids into ubuntu/linux. how did you start? at what age?
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> gpled: /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[05:19] <coolBunny> s/help/opinion
[05:19] <sgtkilljoy> cool_code: show them the computer, they will work it out :)
[05:19] <Bsims> gpled: I beleve /usr/lib or /lib
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> Bsims: try:  sudo updatedb; locate psmouse | grep ko
[05:20] <Sir_Fawnpug> coolBunny, really any age should be fine.
[05:20] <Sir_Fawnpug> Ubuntu is the perfect distro to get them started, cause it's relatively easy to set up and there are tons of window managers in apt if unity isn't to their liking
[05:20] <coolBunny> @sgt and Sir: thanks. my older one is 9. is this the right age to get her think beyond windoze?
[05:21] <ActionParsnip> coolBunny: just plonk them in front of it. Some schools use Ubuntu as their desktop
[05:21] <rethaw> test
[05:21] <Sir_Fawnpug> coolBunny, well I started using DOS when I was 5 or 6, I think it'll be fine
[05:21] <gpled> coolBunny: do they want to learn computers, or just use them?
[05:21] <gnat_> Unity is bad imo.  I've but cinnamon on my ubuntu/debian distros.
[05:21] <cfhowlett> cool_code: consider installing the edubuntu packages as well.  Fun education games
[05:21] <gnat_> I've put cinnamon*
[05:21] <coolBunny> her school has made her believe that micro$oft rules the world. it is not just using computers. i want them to learn it like get started with os, programs, etc
[05:21] <ActionParsnip> gnat_: you don't have to use Unity. That's the beauty of the OS
[05:22] <Sir_Fawnpug> And DOS definitely had more of a learning curve
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: specially with himem.sys and so forth ;)
[05:22] <coolBunny> @Sir: that is very reassuring (5/6 years). i think i got my answer !
[05:22] <Sir_Fawnpug> ActionParsnip, oh god, don't remind me.
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: 'I need 20k more..wait..I have doskey running'
[05:22] <gnat_> I know.  I put Cinnamon on my ubuntu.  Ubuntu has much better out-of-the-box wireless support than Debian, only real reason I prefer it.
[05:23] <gpled> coolBunny:  the kids have to want to lean the computers.  else they will not care.  cant force them to care
[05:23] <Sir_Fawnpug> gpled raises a good point. That's about the way it is with anything you're trying to get a kid interested in.
[05:24] <coolBunny> @gpled: you have a point. yes, i want them to have fun. maybe i will let them browse to some princess sites to let them know that there are other ways to get things done.
[05:24] <Sir_Fawnpug> I mean I guess the real challenge is to present it to them in such a way that they want to explore on their own.
[05:24]  * Bsims laughs my first computer was a Tandy TRS-80 with a .9mhz cpu and 14K of ram
[05:24] <gpled> fist time most people who where into computer saw linux, they got it. and wanted to know everything they could about it.
[05:25] <Sir_Fawnpug> I saw a Tandy Store around here the other day.
[05:25] <Bsims> <--- used to record programs on audio cassette and was glad to be able to
[05:25] <cfhowlett> coolBunny: consider also: do they want to learn *computers* or USE *computers*.  2 different goals/approaches.  DOING coolstufff with the computer usually has more appeal for youngsters ...
[05:25] <coolBunny> we don't have tablets at home (and i would like to remain that way)
[05:25]  * ActionParsnip had a Toshiba MSX with 64k RAM
[05:25] <gpled> i love networking, but can not find other normal people who love it
[05:25] <Sir_Fawnpug> ActionParsnip, did you used to live in Japan?
[05:25] <coolBunny> @cfhowlett: yes, i want them to produce something, not just consume info
[05:26] <mili> ActionParsnip was there any other suggestion on the wifi issue?  where it's kinda burping, halting, stays connected but seems slow as heck contacting sites etc?  i ran pings against some major sites and there didn't seem to be any lag there but i should let one run for a while
[05:26] <Sir_Fawnpug> I vaguely remember MSX being something that was being pushed hard in Asia a couple of decades ago
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: UK, no idea how we got that thing
[05:26] <cfhowlett> coolBunny: give me a minute.  I've got a very nice tutorial for inscape that was used to introduce vector graphics to girl scouts ....
[05:26] <Sir_Fawnpug> ActionParsnip, I suppose the same way we got the C64
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> mili: if you run:  echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf > /dev/null       does it work better?
[05:27] <coolBunny> thanks howlett
[05:27] <Sir_Fawnpug> Although the C64 did sell remarkably well in the US
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: ahhh we went the spectrum 128K + 2 route
[05:27] <mili> i set the wifi to use dhcp (address only) and set dns to both of google's public servers a while back.  no difference
[05:27] <mili> but then again i did set it in the connection manager or whatever, not directly in resolv.conf
[05:27] <cfhowlett> coolBunny: introduction to inkscape for middle schoolers   http://linuxgrrl.com/learn/Introduction_To_Inkscape
[05:28] <Sir_Fawnpug> I remember reading an artcle the other day that the ZX spectrum would've never passed current UK eletrical regulations
[05:28] <Sir_Fawnpug> Something about it putting out too much RF noise.
[05:28]  * coolBunny thanks cfhowlett !
[05:28] <KaRmA> I have a dedicated server in (france on ovh network, I'm in the U.S. most of the time I get full bandwidth from the server through ftp but during some hours, usually 8pm to whenver EST the ftp speed slows to a crawl. this has nothing to do with my server config does it?
[05:28] <Sir_Fawnpug> And that apparently the UK equivalent of the FCC would've rejected it in modern times.
[05:28] <mcf3782> I have a recently installed 32-bit Intel version of 12.04 LTS..  All of the documentation I've been able to find; I have interpreted as showing that network interface configuration is controlled by /etc/network/interfaces.   My box *IS* getting a DHCP assigned IPv4 address on eth0 (the only ethernet interface in the box); but there is no mention of eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces.
[05:28] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Fawnpug: haha explains a lot ;)
[05:28] <cfhowlett> coolBunny: also, get the BigBuckBunny movie!  all of the materials for the film are available as well.
[05:29] <KaRmA> mcf3782, are you using 'network manager'
[05:29] <mcf3782> I can't figure out how the interface is getting configured.
[05:29] <coolBunny> huh?
[05:29] <mcf3782> KaRmA - is that installed by default?
[05:29] <KaRmA> mcf3782, pretty sure it is, it is like an applet that controls networks/wifi
[05:29] <mcf3782> I didn't intentionally install anything called 'network manager'
[05:29] <cfhowlett> coolBunny: blender movie?  Big Buck Bunny?  www.bigbuckbunny.org
[05:30] <coolBunny> wow cfhowlett, i will check it out. thanks a tonne
[05:31] <mcf3782> I'm not in the same building with the machine any longer, so I don't have access to the console/GUI.   Can someone suggest where I can look for a config file?
[05:31]  * coolBunny is off to check the big buck bunny site :>
[05:31] <KaRmA> mcf3782, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager
[05:34] <mcf3782> KaRmA - I've read that page several times today. :)   On my system, there is no mention of 'eth0' in any of the files described on that NetworkManager documentation page.
[05:35] <mcf3782> Thanks for the link.. Nice to know I was mostly looking in the right place. :)
[05:35] <Guest16300> can anyone tell me how to figure out stable kernel version?
[05:36] <Guest16300> ?
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> Guest16300: www.kernel.org will tell you
[05:36] <mikehaas763> Is there somewhere on the interwebs where I can check when a specific version of a package was released by Ubuntu?
[05:36] <KaRmA> mcf3782, wicd ?
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> mikehaas763: the changelog on launchpad
[05:36] <mikehaas763> *released to the repos
[05:36] <mikehaas763> ActionParsnip, thanks
[05:36] <mcf3782> wicd?
[05:36] <Guest16300> ActionParsnip : if they don't say stable, which means unstable?
[05:36] <ElectricPrism> what happened to the #ElementaryOS channel? did it change?
[05:37] <KaRmA> mcf3782, another network control daemon
[05:37] <Guest16300> ActionParsnip : like kernel 3.6.0 ?
[05:37] <mcf3782> nothing running with that name.
[05:38] <gpled> woot! go with your gut
[05:38] <gpled> getting closer
[05:38] <gpled> did modprobe forcedeth
[05:38] <ActionParsnip> Guest16300: what is the output of:   lsb_release -sc
[05:39] <gpled> then dhcient
[05:39] <tony1> how to install aapache ant on ubuntu 10.04
[05:39] <gpled> things are still messed up, but got eth1 working.  not sure why it is 1
[05:39] <gpled> but it works
[05:39] <ActionParsnip> tony1: sudo apt-get install apache2
[05:40] <Guest16300> ActionParsnip : I don't have lsb_release command, it is embedded system using ubuntu
[05:41] <somsip> tony1: apt-get install ant
[05:41] <KaRmA> I have a dedicated server in (france on ovh network, I'm in the U.S. most of the time I get full bandwidth from the server through ftp but during some hours, usually 8pm to whenver EST the ftp speed slows to a crawl. this has nothing to do with my server config does it?
[05:41] <ActionParsnip> Guest16300: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[05:42] <Guest16300> ActionParsnip, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l
[05:42] <mcf3782> KaRmA - that doesn't sound like a situation that would be a server config issue to me. Sounds like a network issue somewhere along the path.
[05:43] <ActionParsnip> Guest16300: then its debian, ask in #debian
[05:43] <Guest16300> ok
[05:43] <Guest16300> thanks
[05:43] <KaRmA> mcf3782, yea, it is just weird because it works at my fully line speed some times and I have no issues running a trace route.
[05:44] <keith_> KaRmA: do you also notice a change in ping times right about then as well?
[05:44] <KaRmA> keith_, haven't noticed too much
[05:44] <tony1> when i try to run ant . the out put is'' Buildfile: build.xml does not exist!'' plz help me
[05:45] <somsip> tony1: create a build file. You seem to be asking a lot of very basic questions.
[05:45] <keith_> If the ping time is going up as your connection speed slows, it's probably a bandwidth issue.
[05:46] <KaRmA> keith_, I think the issue must be on their end since I can still download stuff at full speed when my ftp box is slow, just not from that box :-\
[05:46] <keith_> yep... 8pm EST is noon GMT, no?
[05:47] <KaRmA> keith_, not sure
[05:48] <KaRmA> keith_, right now it is 5:47 gmt
[05:48] <KaRmA> keith_, am
[05:48] <ActionParsnip> tony1: http://ant.apache.org/manual/install.html
[05:48] <KaRmA> keith_, and it is full speed at the moment, was slow closer to 8pm est or 1 am gmt
[05:48] <somsip> KaRmA: EDT is 1:58am
[05:48] <ActionParsnip> tony1: a simple websearch would show that....
[05:48] <keith_> More network traffic during peak periods can slow you way down, especially on a transcontinental wire. I'd suspect local bandwidth issues at the server end.
[05:49] <KaRmA> keith_, yea they keep trying to say it is on my end, but I get my full line speed to cdimage.debian.org which is in sweden, don't think it is on ovh either. even when my ovh box is super slow
[05:50] <KaRmA> I have a 75 to 85 mbps connection so I get around 10 MB/s when it is working right
[05:50] <KaRmA> 1MB/S or less when it isn't
[05:50] <keith_> KaRmA, that's why you should ping the route. It could also be a local router as well - 8pm local is also prime time.
[05:50] <ActionParsnip> tony1: http://www.howtoforge.com/android-buildfile-build.xml-does-not-exist
[05:51] <KaRmA> keith_, yea but like I said I have 0 issues downloading from anywhere else. and I am on Fiber optic so it isn't bandwidth share with my neighbors
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: you can add lines in /etc/sysctl.conf to use more RAM as cache (makes network smoother)
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> tony1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=908002
[05:52] <keith_> lol - still.... ping the route to see where the hold up is. It's the only way to know for sure.
[05:52] <KaRmA> keith_, so the highest ping is the hold up i'd guess
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1505900/   add that to the file, then run:  sudo sysctrl -p
[05:52] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, yea but I doubt that would help since it works at full speed for hours at a time
[05:53] <keith_> Yep - and you want to do it over time as well. Sometimes servers get flaky and they're switched out. You want to also pay attention to the route IP addys
[05:54] <KaRmA> keith_, right now (it seems to be working fine) my highest ping is 146 MS to the server it's self
[05:54] <cfhowlett> CHALLENGE: enable YT ... from China.  Rulz: via ubuntu, no VPM.  Result: partial success.  After editing my DNS /hosts file, I can see YT, I can see the placeholder for videos.  BUT I cannot see actual video content.  So close ...  Suggestions?  What did I miss?  FWIW, this method fully enabled FB.
[05:56] <ActionParsnip> cfhowlett: what is yt?
[05:56] <keith_> KaRmA, you'll need to do some googling, but there was a windows program called PingPlotter that I used to use whenever I had net speed issues. Linux doesn't have one, AFAIK, but there are some great articles for checking your hops.
[05:56] <tony1>  i would like to thanks  all of you
[05:56] <daftykins> cfhowlett: youtube probably
[05:57] <daftykins> oops
[05:57] <daftykins> ActionParsnip: youtube probably
[05:57] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[05:57] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, net.core.rmem_default = 524288 = in Kb ?
[05:57] <daftykins> it's late, that's my excuse ;)
[05:57] <ActionParsnip> cfhowlett: does minitube work?
[05:57] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: works here
[05:57] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, I mean are those numbers ram in KB ?
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: i belive its bytes
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: not sure tbh
[05:59] <keith_> KaRmA - those are KB. Not bad, but you can boost that to your mem size if you want.
[05:59] <KaRmA> keith_, wouldn't that cause some type of issue
[05:59] <keith_> nope - it'll get swapped out if another app needs space
[06:00] <KaRmA> keith ActionParsnip what makes no sense to me, is that my box is on ovh. but if i go to 'proof.ovh.net/files' and download a file using wget I get terrible speeds even when my box is giving me line speed bandwidth to my home box makes no sense to me
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: i'd use those for now, see how it rolls
[06:01] <keith_> KaRmA - different routes?
[06:02] <KaRmA> keith_, must be let me check
[06:02] <KaRmA> * * * indicates a failure right ?
[06:03] <keith_> nope - just unresolved
[06:03] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: I'm getting 5.4Mb / sec using the 1gb.dat file from that page (i believe that's my max
[06:03] <KaRmA> well my linux box on ovh is only 13 hops.... proof.ovh.net is 30 hops with a bunch of unresolvd
[06:03] <Burnt_Reynolds> can anyone help me out with problems im having running startx
[06:03] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, where are you located ?
[06:03] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: UK
[06:03] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, i'm on the other side of the pond
[06:04] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: 5.4Mb/sec isn't shabby at all :)
[06:05] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, I get 9.5/10 MB/s when it is working right for me
[06:05] <KaRmA> 75-85 mbps
[06:06] <mysteriousdarren> I'm proud to be a longtime linux user, even more so when only windows production machine has got a virus today.
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: i'm not on anything like that, i believe that maxed my pipe out
[06:07] <keith_> OK KaRmA - I just ran a good long ping on proof.ovh.net. I get fairly consistent 130 ms pings - but occasionally jumps to over a sec.
[06:07] <KaRmA> problem is I can't afford any USA based dedi server
[06:07] <KaRmA> I mean i'm paying $20 for the ovh one and when it works it is fantastic
[06:08] <KaRmA> but i've about had it
[06:08] <I440r> what package is it that does the gdmish thing in ubuntu, i want to remove it. i want to boot straight to terminal ONLY.  startx to launch x
[06:08] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, that sysctl.conf appears to not change my connection at all from what I can tell
[06:08] <KaRmA> I440r, lightdm
[06:09] <I440r> aha ty
[06:10] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, keith_
[06:10] <KaRmA> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1505924/
[06:10] <KaRmA> why do I have so many unresovled lol
[06:11] <keith_> KaRma - those are usually in-house hops from one internal server to another
[06:12] <KaRmA> keith_, also it appears to go to france, and then back to ny/nj !
[06:12] <KaRmA> wtf ?
[06:12] <KaRmA> and back to france again ~_~
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: does it always take that route?
[06:14] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, let me see
[06:16] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, it appears so
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: then maybe there is a routing issue at the hop above, or some work is taking place
[06:17] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, which hop ?
[06:17] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, on my end or theirs lol
[06:18] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: nyk-1-6k.ny.us  maybe
[06:19] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, well my actual server follows a different route but I have the same issue
[06:19] <sara_ubuntu_girl> hello room
[06:19] <Muphrid> Ahoy
[06:19] <cfhowlett> sara_ubuntu_girl: greetings
[06:20] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: seems Tata Communications in Virginia are routing to France
[06:21] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: could email them to see what is going on
[06:21] <frozenlock> Well... I think I finally made it: I broke something. -_-
[06:21] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, I see nothing about virginia in my traceroute ?
[06:22] <Muphrid> frozenlock: I just did rm /usr/bin* a few hours ago by mistake and had to reinstall....what was your problem?
[06:22] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <Maverick_Hunter> Back again
[06:22] <frozenlock> Muphrid: Ouch, though one :P
[06:22] <frozenlock> I recompiled xpad.c using this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xbox360Controller#Troubleshooting (with a newer xpad version), but now I don't even see my usb device in jstest :(
[06:23] <Maverick_Hunter> I'm trying to install the NVIDIA driver via CLI, I have it downloaded but when I try to run it, it says I can't do it while X is running. How do I kill X?
[06:23] <frozenlock> In fact I don't see it in /dev/input/js* at all
[06:23] <Abhijit> hi. how can I know programmatically which graphics driver is currently in use? OR which graphic drivers are installed and working in the system? ubuntu 12.04
[06:23] <Abhijit> help please
[06:24] <KaRmA> ActionParsnip, Im probably blind but I don't see that in the traceroute
[06:24] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: reboot and use root recovery console. Why not use the packaged driver
[06:24] <keith_> KaRmA: I go through VA in my route as well. I'm seeing shifts in ping times from nyk-106k.ny.us, which is telling me they may be having a server issue. It's the last hop before it goes transcontinental - so it's on "our"end.
[06:24] <sara_ubuntu_girl> hi cfhowlett
[06:24] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: line 10!
[06:24] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: I couldn't log in via GUI long enough to install any driver at all, so I just found the URL do it and and used wget to download it
[06:24] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: the line before the french ones...
[06:25] <Muphrid> Abhijit: lspci -v | grep -A 10 VGA\ Compatible
[06:25] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: then install the package using apt-get from the same place you used wget....
[06:25] <KaRmA> keith_, so it will likely be resolved eventually then
[06:25] <Muphrid> i mean, only VGA
[06:26] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: how do I find the package name?
[06:26] <keith_> KaRmA, usually within 24 hours.
[06:26] <keith_> but I've seen it go quite a bit longer too
[06:26] <KaRmA> keith_, it has been a few days O_O
[06:26] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:26] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: then reboot, see if updates get you a desktop
[06:26] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: if not, run:   sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[06:27] <Maverick_Hunter> the problem is the desktop freezes due to my NVIDIA card
[06:27] <KaRmA> keith_, I never had an issue for a whole month then it just started happening
[06:27] <ActionParsnip> KaRmA: its probably scheduled
[06:27] <sara_ubuntu_girl> ActionParsnip hi hope u r well, i had 11.10 and 10.04 side by side ,i lost my ubuntu 10.04 installation after grub auto update , i tried both update-grub and update-grub2 but it 10.04 installation is gone only one installation shown
[06:28] <keith_> Yeah - what happens sometimes is a LOT of redundant server swaps - as one gets plowed under, another one jumps in. You might drop an email to the admin and see if they're aware of that kind of thing.... or you can traceroute and collect your own info...
[06:29] <Muphrid> sara_ubuntu_girl: check the menuentries in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and see if both are there
[06:29] <KaRmA> keith_, which admin ? I emailed my server provider they said it was on my  end, apparently they might be right although it isn't my actual ISP from the looks of it
[06:29] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: Thank you, yet AGAIN today.
[06:29] <sara_ubuntu_girl> Muphrid i checked it is not there , thanks ,,,any other troubleshooting steps?
[06:29] <keith_> but, if you're getting consistent results domestically in hops that don't go near that server, then there isn't much you can do but wait it out
[06:30] <Abhijit> Muphrid, outputs nothing in two different computers
[06:30] <KaRmA> keith_, maybe it is scheduled work, since during the day my time it is perfectly fine.
[06:30] <Muphrid> Abhijit: which did you try? i made a typo, it is not "Compatible" but compatible, or you can remove it and leave only VGA
[06:31] <keith_> possible... but more likely to be poor bandwidth tuning which causes the server swaps
[06:31] <KaRmA> sara_ubuntu_girl, does the partition exist with all the files on it still ?
[06:31] <KaRmA> keith_, maybe but it was fine for over a month, not one issue.
[06:31] <Abhijit> Muphrid, removing 'Combatible' gives info about the presnet physical graphics card. I need the info about the graphics card in use.
[06:31] <Abhijit> Muphrid, removing 'Combatible' gives info about the presnet physical graphics card. I need the info about the graphics card DRIVER in use.
[06:31] <keith_> well - that's just how electronic problems present themselves, right?
[06:32] <Muphrid> Abhijit: those in use should have a module loaded, or do all of them have a module loaded?
[06:32] <ActionParsnip> Maverick_Hunter: np dude
[06:33] <KaRmA> keith_, true it is driving me nucking futs
[06:33] <Abhijit> Muphrid, how to list all of kernel modules?
[06:33] <Muphrid> the last lines say which driver is in use
[06:33] <Muphrid> Abhijit: lsmod
[06:33] <KaRmA> Abhijit, and you can use lsmod | grep 'module name'    without the 's to find a certain one if it is loaded or not
[06:34] <Muphrid> Abhijit: but in lspci you should see a line "kernel driver in use: "
[06:34] <keith_> KaRmA - been there, done that, got a signed autograph and a t-shirt...
[06:34] <KaRmA> keith_, lol
[06:34] <Abhijit> Muphrid, oh yes right. that helped. thanks.
[06:34] <Abhijit> KaRmA, thanks.
[06:35] <KaRmA> keith_, first it was a failing sd card in my phone. that was slowly going bad causing all kinds of problems took forever for it to finally die and no s.m.a.r.t on sd cards so I had no idea the issue, now this bull shit
[06:35] <mysteriousdarren> KaRmA: language, we have to be family friendly
[06:35] <shevy> is there a simply way to change unity behaviour? the window grouping is quite confusing, xchat for instance is not even on the left bar
[06:36] <KaRmA> keith_, my friend has a server on ovh also that doesn't go through new york and it is slow too for me :-\
[06:39] <JoyceBabu> I have a package that depends on squid 3.2. I want to replace squid 3.2 with source compiled version of squid 3.3 beta (which is not available in repository). When I remove squid 3.2, the depending package is also getting removed. How can I mark the squid 3.2 dependency as manually resolved?
[06:40] <ActionParsnip> JoyceBabu: use checkinstall and make a deb of your efforts
[06:41] <kazman> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can offer some assitance, or point me towards some.  having a problem with my usb mouse after kernel upgrade.  Have asked on askubuntu, nothing useful there, yet.
[06:41] <JoyceBabu> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[06:41] <Maverick_Hunter> ActionParsnip: Ugh, again, still freezing after I installed nvidia-current
[06:44] <kazman> err someone tried to pm me now, stupid popup blocked killed it. pm again please ? :)
[06:45] <mysteriousdarren> kazman: ask on ubuntuforums
[06:45] <Maverick_Hunter> I have an Nvidia 8600GT and I am freezing up after about 60 seconds, problem persists even after I installed nvidia-common
[06:45] <sargennto> After installing the 'xubuntu-desktop' package my volume slider in unity quit displaying and I also get the Xubuntu splash screen at login. Can I safely remove the 'xubuntu-desktop' package and things will go back to default?
[06:45] <cfhowlett> sargennto: yes, they should default.  Note the "should"
[06:46] <kazman> mysteriousdarren:  i am just about to.  thanks.  busy trying all options at once, hoping to get fixed asap. struggling to be efficient with my work using damn trackpad ;)
[06:46] <troop> hi again.
[06:46] <benjamindaines> I'm stuck in low graphics mode, gallium drivers aren't properly installed, how do I fix this?
[06:46] <cfhowlett> troop: greetings
[06:46] <troop> how can i add shortcut to dash if i installed from bin file ?
[06:46] <troop> thanks.
[06:47] <ActionParsnip> troop: you'll need to make a .deskltop file in /usr/share/applications to run the app
[06:47] <mysteriousdarren> kazman: yup, just trying to help.
[06:47] <ActionParsnip> troop: I recommend copying one from ~/.config/autostart and editting it as you need
[06:47] <troop> how will i make ActionParsnip
[06:47] <troop> okay
[06:48] <troop> ActionParsnip, there is no .desktop file in .config/autostart actually there is no autostart in ~/.config
[06:50] <ActionParsnip> troop: then you can use this as a skeleton if you want http://paste.ubuntu.com/1505979/
[06:52] <troop> ok looking ActionParsnip
[06:52] <I440r> ok so i installed the virtualbox guest additons in this ubuntu 12.i-forget and... they are not working
[06:52] <I440r> at all
[06:52] <I440r> no mouse integration. 800x600 only
[06:52] <I440r> or is it 1024x768
[06:53] <I440r> can anyone tell me why the virtualbox guest additions are not working?
[06:53] <troop> ActionParsnip, how will save it? i'm noob sorry
[06:54] <sargennto> cfhowlett: worth a shot :)
[06:54] <I440r> troop your not noob. your new. new != dumbass. noob = dumbass :)
[06:54] <cfhowlett> sargennto: at worst, you'll have to manually config some of the behaviors.  good luck.
[06:55] <troop> thanks I440r
[06:55] <mysteriousdarren> troop: good luck!
[06:55] <I440r> ubuntu's "it just works" is broken for me. i need help getting the guest additions working
[06:55] <troop> thanks mysteriousdarren  :D
[06:56] <troop> everthing is well after infinality patch + Tahoma + Mscorefonts
[06:56] <ActionParsnip> troop: open gedit
[06:56] <sirriffsalot> Hey guys.. I've been looking into getting myself an update on my graphics card.. Mostly for ubuntu.. To my astonishment many people keep suggesting nvidia cards, and I have had such hellish times trying to get my OOTB-one to function with ubuntu.. What gives?
[06:57] <I440r> can someone with a clue help me get the virtualbox guest additions working?
[06:58] <billz0maddic> close
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> I440r: i tell the app to download the ISO then power off the guest and set the ISO to mount at boot
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> I440r: you can then run the script
[06:58] <I440r> dont need to download the iso. the iso is installed. i ran the install script
[06:58] <I440r> it installed
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> I440r: it downloads for you
[06:58] <I440r> its simply not WORKING
[06:59] <I440r> wait. tell what app to download it
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> I440r: what isn't working in the guest?
[06:59] <troop> ActionParsnip, what will i write to exec=     exec="/opt/IBM/SPSS/Statistics/20/bin/statistics/stats"  right?
[06:59] <I440r> mouse integration. video mode setting.
[06:59] <JoyceBabu> ActionParsnip: will this work? checkinstall --pkgname=squid3-ssl --pkgversion=<IP_ADDRESS>.beta --provides=squid3,squid3-client,squid3-common,squid3-ssl-cgi,squid3-ssl-common,squidclient,squidclient-ssl --requires=libssl-dev
[06:59] <troop> i don't see stats' extension but type is Link to shell script (application/x-shellscript)
[07:00] <I440r> from menu select install guest additions. cd to the mounted cd and run the VBoxLinuxWhatever.sh
[07:00] <Abhijit> Muphrid, lspci -v | grep -A 10 VGA | tail -n 1 is not working
[07:00] <Muphrid> Abhijit: why tail?
[07:01] <Abhijit> Muphrid, to get only last line
[07:01] <PeTaz> +
[07:01] <kubanc> hellow! Any idea how can i add splashtop streamet to startup applications?
[07:01] <Muphrid> actually tail -n -1
[07:02] <I440r> so how was i SUPPOSED to install the guest additions. i looked in synaptic and there is no package for the additions
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> troop: no need for the quotes
[07:02] <sabgenton> whats the explination for recommending 32 bit ubuntu now  (link?)
[07:02] <Abhijit> Muphrid, -2 worked
[07:02] <klasa1b10> siema nooby
[07:02] <sabgenton> !64
[07:02] <Muphrid> Ok
[07:03] <cfhowlett> I440r: virtualbox guest additions is offered by VBox and will not appear in synaptic's menu.
[07:03] <I440r> cfhowlett, i RAN the additions supplied by vbox. they are not working... or ubuntu isnt working
[07:04] <I440r> no mouse integration. no video modes other than  the 100x200 or what ever this postage stamp is
[07:04] <sabgenton> No answer from that
[07:05] <troop> yes i did!
[07:05] <I440r> also. i do not believe my default shell is bash because tab completion is also NOT working reliably
[07:06] <I440r> but when i type "bash" in what ever shell im in tab completion mysteriously starts working just fine
[07:07] <kubanc> hellow! where can i look what command is using ubuntu luncher for starting applications?
[07:09] <cfhowlett> cfhowlett: what feedback did you get?
[07:10] <I440r> ok so nobody can help get these additions to work?
[07:10] <daftykins> I440r: just a guess, but perhaps you want a virtualbox support channel
[07:10] <sabgenton> Doesn't seem to be any reason not to go 64 unless you are so non-tecy you don't know if you processor is  64 capable
[07:10] <I440r> i dont think the additions are what is broken
[07:11] <daftykins> sabgenton: but of course someone friendly like you would help someone find out, wouldn't you? ;)
[07:11] <sabgenton> offcourse :)
[07:11] <daftykins> :D
[07:11] <sabgenton> daftykins: I just which there was a page some ware on ubuntu.com saying why only 32 bit desktop iso is recommended
[07:13] <cfhowlett> I440r: you DID install dkms before attempting guest additions?
[07:13] <sabgenton> daftykins: if I had no doubt I would have to help someone find out I would just tell them straight
[07:13] <sabgenton> wouldn't**
[07:14] <daftykins> i hear issues every now and then, probably stuff normal users are unlikely to see though
[07:14] <I440r> cfhowlett, what is dkms and where is the rtfm telling me i had to do so because the 3 different pages i looked at on how to get these additions installed into ubuntu 12 said NOTHING about any dkms
[07:15] <cfhowlett> I440r: lots of folks having this issue.    See  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12235685  As I only use LTS releases, my further usefulness is limited.  FWIW, in 12.04, VBox "just works" ...
[07:19] <klasa1b10> !language|klasa1b10
[07:19]  * Thrasher194 uninstalls root on klasa1b10 #:x
[07:19] <I440r> lol ty
[07:19] <cfhowlett> I440r: also  http://maketecheasier.com/install-guest-addition-in-ubuntu-12-10-guest-virtualbox/2012/11/26
[07:19] <Maverick_Hunter> I'm seriously at a loss here, any help would be MUCH appreciated, I have Nvidia-common installed, and yet my screen STILL freezes about 60 second after Iog in, EVERY TIME
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  guest user also freezes? how about a newly made user?
[07:20] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: It's a fresh installation
[07:20] <I440r> wait. 12.10 is using wayland?
[07:20] <I440r> not X?
[07:20] <I440r> oh
[07:20] <I440r> nvm
[07:21] <I440r> someone was talking trash
[07:21] <I440r> in this forum im reading.. ignore me lol
[07:21] <klasa1b10> siema noby
[07:21] <klasa1b10> siema noby
[07:21] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: Its a fresh install, so my current user account is new, I haven't tried Guest user
[07:21] <klasa1b10> hohohohonhohhohohohohoho
[07:21] <klasa1b10> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot
[07:21] <FloodBot1> klasa1b10: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:21] <klasa1b10> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot
[07:21] <cfhowlett> !ops|klasa1b10:
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  you may also want to install some alternative desktop/window managert such as openbox. to see if that works when you login to it.
[07:22] <Que> my first time using xchat
[07:22] <Que> actually my first time using irc
[07:22] <cfhowlett> Que: welcome.  what is your ubuntu issue?
[07:23] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: I have tried Unity, Gnome3 and xfce, same issue every time, the only thing that DOENST kill my system is CLI
[07:23] <kubanc> is there anything simliar and free like CPanel for ubuntu server 12.10?
[07:24] <klasa1b10> I love Poland I love Poland
[07:24] <I440r> other than going with compiling from sources. how do i upgrade my linux kernel from 3.5.x ton 3.7.x
[07:24] <cfhowlett> !ot|klasa1b10:
[07:24] <I440r> to
[07:24] <I440r> no suitable module found for running kernel   [fail!]
[07:25] <t2mahesh> kubanc: Look for ZPanel
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> There are some experimental kernel PPA's
[07:25] <stercor> How do I get a screensaver slide show of my 'Pictures' directory?
[07:25] <stercor> Ubuntu 12.10
[07:25] <cfhowlett> I440r: try this "sudo apt-get install dkms" and reboot.  then run the guest additions sequence.
[07:25] <I440r> cfhowlett, its installed
[07:25] <Emanon> How do I make a window overlap Unity's top bar?
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> !info xscreesavers
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> !info xscreesaver
[07:26] <I440r> i did apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions i already have dkms installed
[07:26]  * Dr_Willis squints at the text.
[07:26] <I440r> installed it earlier when you mentioned it
[07:26] <cfhowlett> I440r: and you rebooted?
[07:26] <stercor> Nice diagnosis.  How do I fix it?
[07:26] <I440r> after installing dkms?
[07:26] <I440r> i think so. maybe not. let me try that
[07:26] <cfhowlett> I440r: yes.
[07:26] <Hrakleaz> good morning
[07:26] <cfhowlett> Hrakleaz: greetings
[07:26] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: I didn't see what you said before xserver, do you have any idea how I can install the driver and get my shit working correctly?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> stercor:  try the xscreensaver(s) package
[07:27] <I440r> the vm boots fast so. no problem
[07:27] <Hrakleaz> I installed ubuntu 12.10 at my laptop using windows installer
[07:27] <Hrakleaz> i have windows 32 bit
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  all i ever do for nvidia is install nvidia-current
[07:27] <Hrakleaz> but the windows installer choose to install ubuntu64 bit
[07:27] <Hrakleaz> is this wrong or its ok ?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  sounds more like its installed but crashing.
[07:27] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: I have Nvidia-current installed, and its still not making a difference
[07:28] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: I also have the .run driver FROM Nvidia, but when i try and run it it says I have Xserver running and won't install
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  so theres some deeper issues going on. You could try a simple 'startx' from the console (stop lightdm)  and look for any error messages
[07:28] <stercor> I thought that meant that I couldn't install it...
[07:28] <sgtkilljoy> Hrakleaz: do u have a 64bit processor
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  because you stop lightdm and X befor using the .run driver.
[07:28] <Hrakleaz> i think its dual core 32 bit
[07:28] <keith_> Maverick_Hunter: I had the same type of nvidia issues. The new drivers fixed it up - I use the experimental on my GTX 650ti
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Maverick_Hunter:  and i imagine the .run driver will just make things worse.. and is not really supported by this channel
[07:28] <KM0201> is there such a thing?
[07:28] <sgtkilljoy> Hrakleaz: what processor?
[07:28] <Hrakleaz> intel
[07:28] <Hrakleaz> i dont remember anything right now
[07:28] <KM0201> lol
[07:29] <Maverick_Hunter> Dr_Willis: So what do you suggest?
[07:29] <Hrakleaz> im away from my laptop sosz
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> Intel makes a lot of differnt processors. :)
[07:29] <sgtkilljoy> KM0201: not that im aware of
[07:29] <Hrakleaz> intel dual core i think
[07:29] <Hrakleaz> i buy my laptop with default windows 32 bit
[07:29] <KM0201> i love awesome answers... "What kind of laptop".. "Intel".. like they only make one processor
[07:29] <Hrakleaz> windows 7
[07:29] <keith_> Maverick_Hunter: if I might ask, how long has it been since you took the card out and blew out all the dust?
[07:30] <sgtkilljoy> Hrakleaz: in windows go to..........umm.......... 1 sec
[07:30] <ogist> hello
[07:30] <Hrakleaz> Yeah, the default os for my laptop is win 7 32 bit ... and the proseccor is dual core i think 32
[07:30] <Maverick_Hunter> well, case is open on one side and  just put the system together maybe a month ago
[07:30] <Hrakleaz> i dont if im wrong, cause the window install choose to instaal ubuntu 64
[07:30] <keith_> I had serious overheating problems on my GPU
[07:31] <ogist> I am using wine on Ubuntu and I am playing quake2 on it, but when I try to switch to OpenGL mode, it crashes. Can anyone help me?
[07:31] <Maverick_Hunter> keith_: my GPU runs at about 60 degrees F
[07:31] <KM0201> Hrakleaz: then it's a 64bit proc.
[07:31] <sgtkilljoy> Hrakleaz: right click computer go proprieties
[07:31] <namespace> There appears to be a .gpg to verify the integrity of the md5sums in the install images directory, where are the corresponding public keys hosted?
[07:31] <Hrakleaz> sgtkilljoy im away from laptop right now :/
[07:31] <keith_> all the time?
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> ogist:  theres linux native ports of quake1 2 and 3 i belive
[07:31] <I440r> well reboot and reinstall additons TOTALLY hozed my ubuntu. when i try login with my name "mark4" i get ^[m^[a^[r^[k.... etc
[07:31] <Hrakleaz> anyway i will check it later thx
[07:31] <cfhowlett> Hrakleaz: have you booted the ubuntu side ...
[07:32] <Dr_Willis>  ^[ = the escape key  I belive.
[07:32] <cfhowlett> I440r: try logging in as guest
[07:32] <I440r> ok all i had to do was type xxyyzz and sit and wait for the login to time out and now im logged in
[07:32] <Hrakleaz> the ubuntu side works perfect
[07:32] <Hrakleaz> no problem at the installation
[07:32] <Hrakleaz> and so far
[07:32] <I440r> i dont have a guest account. i dont use lightdm its uninstalled
[07:32] <sgtkilljoy> Hrakleaz: just go with it, if its 32bit processor it simply wont install, duel core = 64bit
[07:32] <Hrakleaz> but it lags sometimes
[07:32] <I440r> im at a console login
[07:32] <keith_> Maveric_Hunter: you don't have a gt 9x00 type of card in there, do you?
[07:32] <Hrakleaz> its dual core for sure
[07:32] <I440r> still no active additions
[07:32] <I440r> awesome
[07:32] <cfhowlett> Hrakleaz: so apparently your system can run 64 bit.  No harm, no foul.
[07:32] <Maverick_Hunter> keith_: its a 8600 GT
[07:33] <Hrakleaz> but why i have windows 7 32 bit as a default
[07:33] <Hrakleaz> ?
[07:33] <Hrakleaz> its a mistake for the company
[07:33] <Hrakleaz> ?
[07:33] <cfhowlett> Hrakleaz: ask in ##windows.  not supported here.
[07:34] <sgtkilljoy> Hrakleaz: windows......???? dont know
[07:34] <keith_> Maveric_Hunter, that may be your problem.... I couldn't keep that style GPU  in my box. They run too hot, and eventually fry. I switched to a much cooler GTX 650 and haven't had a problem since.
[07:34] <Hrakleaz> anyway
[07:34] <Hrakleaz> thx
[07:34] <I440r> no suitable module for running kernel found
[07:34] <Hrakleaz> i dont know it that btw
[07:34] <Hrakleaz> that dual core mean 64
[07:34] <Maverick_Hunter> keith_:  the GPU runs at a solid 66 degrees MAX, and it runs perfectly in windows 7, I don't think thats the issue
[07:34] <I440r> how do i update my kernel to something fred flintstone didnt use
[07:35] <I440r> like say 3.7.x?
[07:35] <klasa1b10_> siema noopby
[07:35] <klasa1b10_> co robicie
[07:36] <Maverick_Hunter> keith_:  I installed Nvidia-current, but is nvidia-settings required as well?
[07:36] <namespace> I440r: I'm fairly sure you just compile one. But I've never done it.
[07:36] <keith_> Maveric_Hunter: I know your angst... my vista boot works just fine with it. But under Ubuntu, the fan doesn't seem to be controlled as well.  If not, it's good to have it.
[07:37] <I440r> in gentoo yes. ubuntu NO
[07:37] <I440r> how do i apt-get up-to-date-kernel ?
[07:37] <Maverick_Hunter> keith_:  I will figure this out lol, I MUST
[07:37] <I440r> install even
[07:38] <somsip> I440r: this might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/160535/how-do-i-add-the-mainline-kernel-ppa
[07:38] <I440r> virtualbox does not have any modules for its additions tht WORK with the kernel that comes with 12.10
[07:38] <keith_> Maverick: Best of luck. Like I said, the only fix I found was to get rid of the GT series card. I'm running at 28C now - even under a really strong video load.
[07:38] <freak1> good morning
[07:38] <cfhowlett> !ops|THEBILL
[07:38] <I440r> somsip, no. im not installing ANY kernel in ubuntu from source
[07:38] <Miechu> and here are the same bots
[07:38] <I440r> no freeking way
[07:39] <namespace> I440r: Is 3.5 god enough?
[07:39] <namespace> *good
[07:39] <I440r> no
[07:39] <freak1> i have a question about LVM , do we have any people here that have some experience?
[07:39] <I440r> it is not supported by the guest additions
[07:39] <Maverick_Hunter> keith_:  thanks for the info, I still have to try, I'll let know know how it goes, if it does
[07:39] <freak1> after expanding my disk i'm now thrown into initramfs
[07:39] <TXRoadkill_> The video on my Dell Dimension 8400 has been extremely sluggish and jerky since I installed 12.10.  Do I need to load a driver specific to the video card?
[07:40] <I440r> so i take it its not possible to apt-get install a linux kernel ?
[07:40] <I440r> a more up to date one i mean
[07:40] <sgtkilljoy> TXRoadkill_: wat card?
[07:40] <cfhowlett> I440r: not what you want to hear, I'm sure, but 12.04 is LTS (Long Term Support) ... unless you truly NEED the latest/greatest/shiny stuff?
[07:41] <TXRoadkill_> just a moment
[07:41] <namespace> I440r: I don't see one past 3.5 in precise.
[07:41] <I440r> cfhowlett, i installed the latest stable ubuntu
[07:41] <namespace> Using apt-cache search
[07:41] <I440r> NOBODY told me "dont install this if you want anything to work"
[07:42] <TXRoadkill_> 256MB ATI Radeon X800XT Ultra graphics card
[07:42] <I440r> i can totally understand why people are jumping the ubuntu ship in favor of mint
[07:42] <I440r> srsly
[07:42] <Flannel> I440r: Alright, time to adjust your attitude.  The folks here are volunteers, please make sure you respect that.    In my experience, LTS is the better user option.  I'm not a developer, I don't need the newest shiny stuff.  LTS has a 5 year support lifetime, and your 12.10 has only 18 months.  Thus I recommend LTS.
[07:43] <Flannel> I440r: What "doesn't work" about it?
[07:43] <I440r> it CANT work because the additions do not support 3.5 kernels
[07:43] <I440r> everything didnt work about it
[07:43] <I440r> no suitable modules found for the running kernel
[07:43] <Flannel> I440r: Can you please give us some useful information to try to assist you?
[07:43] <I440r> no mouse integration
[07:43] <cfhowlett> I440r: also, this may be a problem that only virtualbox/oracle can solve and NOT an ubuntu issue.  That said, perhaps VMWare might work?
[07:43] <I440r> no video mode selection other than the default
[07:44] <I440r> cfhowlett, its not a vbox problem. vbox isnt whats broken here
[07:44] <cfhowlett> I440r: just a thought ...
[07:44] <I440r> Flannel, i did the VBoxLinuxAdditons.run and i did the apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions
[07:44] <I440r> neither work. no suitable module for running kernel found
 TXRoadkill_: wat card? - 256MB ATI Radeon X800XT Ultra graphics card
[07:45] <I440r> i.e. virtualbox additions do not support kernel 3.5
[07:45] <ichat> I440r,  - if your having vbox kernel issiues compile your own... its what i did with make menu config  eassy as ... pie
[07:45] <ichat> it took me only some 15 attempts before i got it right
[07:45] <penguinman> I440r, have you tried installing them through virtualbox itself?
[07:45] <I440r> ichat in gentoo i will compile my own kernel. not under ubuntu
[07:46] <I440r> penguinman, yes thats how i installed them to begin with
[07:46] <Flannel> I440r: precise has guest-additions version 4.1.12, I'm sure it works with the precise kernels, because that's the whole point.  It looks like the package installs a CD, and then you have to run the exe (and reboot your guest addition).  See: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22743/how-do-i-install-guest-additions-in-virtualbox
[07:46] <I440r> am running that install again right now.
[07:46] <somsip> I440r: this looks like the same problem and is marked as solved http://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-61234.html
[07:48] <Emanon> Then use gentoo and stop being annoying here.
[07:48] <keith_> I440r: Another possibility: http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=329
[07:48] <hilarious> do you guys have major problems with rhythmbox/banshee playing streams ?
[07:48] <hilarious> it's like, it will only play it once
[07:48] <I440r> Emanon, ok ill uninstall ubuntu and go with mint
[07:48] <I440r> ty
[07:48] <Flannel> I440r: Have a nice day!
[07:48] <Emanon> Have fun with that.
[07:48] <cfhowlett> I440r: hope it works out for you
[07:48] <I440r> Flannel, im not uninstalling ubuntu
[07:48] <Emanon> Good for you. Leave.
[07:49] <hilarious> i heard mint was slower
[07:49] <somsip> !ot | hilarious
[07:49] <I440r> hilarious, ive never run it. but if its slower its also younger no?
[07:49] <hilarious> dunno, i don't want to discuss mint now
[07:49] <somsip> hilarious: thank you - it's appreciated
[07:50] <hilarious> anyone have problems with rhythmbox/banshee playing streams ?
[07:50] <TXRoadkill_> hilarious> anyone have problems with rhythmbox/banshee playing streams ? < I've had no problems with Rythmbox
[07:50] <penguinman> hilarious, not really, can you describe your issue?
[07:51] <hilarious> i play this one streaming address
[07:51] <hilarious> in rhythmbox, but then it just wouldn't open it any more
[07:51] <ichat> can anyone point me to troubleshoot why my laptop is going for a reboot when i   tell it to shutdown (from the guy)  12.10...  It even just asks me  if im sure to  shutdown (not reboot)
[07:51] <hilarious> so then i installed banshee
[07:51] <hilarious> and it played it for awhile then i think i rebooted, same thing
[07:51] <Burnt_Reynolds> can anyone help me with this, i get this error after trying to run startx http://pastebin.com/57U3Dzjb
[07:52] <Burnt_Reynolds> i think its some kind of graphics error
[07:52] <elky> why are you needing to run startx?
[07:52] <I440r> nope. the "its solved" forum didnt fix the "it just works" for me. its still broken
[07:52] <Burnt_Reynolds> so i can install
[07:52] <I440r> and they are all going on about 3.7.x kernels. im not building any kernels in  ubuntu.
[07:53] <Burnt_Reynolds> off a cd
[07:53] <Burnt_Reynolds> dvd rather
[07:53] <mladoux> well, it's saying your modeline is wrong.
[07:53] <hilarious> anyone know a good alternative to banshee/rhythmbox ?
[07:53] <I440r> sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup  <-- does not exist
[07:53] <Burnt_Reynolds> •mladoux• me?
[07:53] <mladoux> I don't know how to fix it, but that's what it says
[07:53] <ichat> hilarious,  - the newer vlc are alright again
[07:53] <mladoux> Burnt_Reynolds, yeah, you
[07:54] <Burnt_Reynolds> hmmm
[07:54] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|Burnt_Reynolds
[07:54] <mladoux> that's what V_BIOS address out of range means
[07:54] <Burnt_Reynolds> tried the nomodeset param before boot
[07:54] <Burnt_Reynolds> didnt work
[07:54] <penguinman> hilarious, there's several. clementine might be a good option, but i'm betting it has the same issue as i believe it uses the gstreamer backend as well.
[07:54] <mladoux> this one is beyond me, I wouldn't know where to begin on it, sorry. Well, mebbe, what gfx card you using?
[07:55] <mladoux> ...
[07:55] <hilarious> what do you think this issue is ?
[07:55] <penguinman> hilarious, is it just this one particular station or multiple ones?
[07:55] <hilarious> i guess whatever glitch, these two programs are almost identical
[07:55] <hilarious> i dunno, i haven't tried others
[07:55] <mladoux> @Burnt_Reynolds -- what gfx card you using?
[07:55] <Burnt_Reynolds> •mladoux• nvidia geforce gt 640m 2gb
[07:55] <hilarious> well actually yeah
[07:56] <hilarious> all the preset radio stations don't play either
[07:56] <Burnt_Reynolds> with nvidia optimus