 I prefer kde over it.
[00:01] <roasted_> any opinion to gnome 3?
[00:02] <IdleOne> none
[00:02] <IdleOne> but I imagine it to be very Unity'ish so not for me
[00:02] <roasted_> ah, I had thought maybe you used it
[00:02] <roasted_> but yeah it's similar to unity
[00:02] <roasted_> a bit nicer imo
[00:02] <IdleOne> kde is just better for the way I use the computer
[00:03] <roasted_> did you install kubuntu or did you put kde on top of your ubuntu install
[00:03] <IdleOne> gnome used to be my DE of choice but since it is dead or dying I figured I needed to switch to something
[00:03] <IdleOne> I did a clean install with kubuntu
[00:03] <roasted_> gnome 3 hardly suggests its dying :P
[00:03] <roasted_> but gnome 2 sure was a dead end it seemed
[00:03] <IdleOne> well gnome classic
[00:03] <roasted_> yeah
[00:04] <roasted_> if this test drive with 11.10 again tanks Ill probably stick with 11.04 kubuntu
[00:04] <roasted_> test drive it for a month and see what happens
[00:05] <Azelphur> anyone know why emerald was pulled from 11.10?
[00:11] <bjsnider> roasted_, nvidia-173 is the name of the driver. nvidia-current is the name of the latest stable packaged driver used for all nvidia hardware since the geforce 6000
[00:11] <bjsnider> you're seeing 173 because it is used in the name, while nvidia-current doesn't use a number in the name
[00:18] <roasted_> so which one do I use, exactly?
[00:18] <roasted_> because to my surprise when I boot up 173 is already activated
[00:22] <bjsnider> what's your hardware?
[00:24] <roasted_> 9600gt
[00:31] <bjsnider> roasted_, you should be using nvidia-current
[00:31] <bjsnider> 173 will work but will not provide modern features
[00:31] <roasted_> this time I installed all updates. Now Im doing the version current (recommended)
[00:31] <roasted_> hopefully dual screen will work when I reboot
[00:44] <roasted_> well, 11.10 bites the dust again
[00:44] <roasted_> installed a fresh install of beta 2, installed all updates, got the most recent nvidia driver, and still setting up dual monitors fubars it
[00:45] <roasted_> 2nd monitor is a gray screen that seems unusable, as I cannot drag windows to it
[00:45] <Azelphur> roasted_: are you using separate X screens?
[00:45] <roasted_> yes
[00:45] <Azelphur> roasted_: haha, Welcome to the "Your a separate X screen user, everybody hates you" club
[00:45] <Azelphur> I'm part of said club too.
[00:45] <roasted_> hmm, what do you mean?
[00:45] <roasted_> Is this a common issue?
[00:46] <Azelphur> roasted_: yea, support was dropped.
[00:46] <Azelphur> much like KDE dropped it too
[00:46] <roasted_> it was DROPPED, or just not in 11.10 yet??
[00:46] <Azelphur> dropped
[00:46] <roasted_> in favor of twinview?
[00:46] <Azelphur> that's why you have a grey background and an X pointer
[00:46] <Azelphur> yes
[00:46] <roasted_> is there any reason why?
[00:47] <Azelphur> roasted_: because they assume that everyone wants to use twinview, when actually a lot of people don't, and for a lot of people (like me) twinview isn't even an option
[00:47] <roasted_> I was fighting with video tearing on my system, and I was told twinview is why my tearing wasnt fixed even though I set the compiz refresh rates and sync to vblank accordingly.
[00:47] <roasted_> why is twinview not an option for you?
[00:47] <Azelphur> or something weird, I dunno
[00:47] <Azelphur> roasted_: twinview doesn't work across multiple cards, I have 4 monitors.
[00:47] <coz_> hey guys.. is oneric not recognizing crt monitors?
[00:48] <Azelphur> roasted_: I just installed 11.10 and had the same bad realization as you, but been trying things out for a bit. I think XFCE is the way to go :D
[00:48] <Azelphur> roasted_: it actually has support, proper support, per-monitor wallpaper settings and stuff :D
[00:48] <coz_> I cannot get the one crt monitor to work on twinview,, anyone have this issue
[00:49] <Azelphur> coz_: twinview is working for me but I have 2(x2) LCDs
[00:49] <coz_> !crt
[00:49] <coz_> Azelphur,  right  but  I have one lce and one crt for graphics
[00:49] <coz_> lcd
[00:49] <roasted_> so what in the world is the way to get 4 screens running?
[00:50] <Azelphur> roasted_: 2 x TwinView + XFCE is how I do it
[00:50] <coz_> roasted_,  2 nvidia cards should do it
[00:51] <Azelphur> ^ this
[00:51] <Azelphur> GTX 570 with 2 monitors in twinview + 8800GT with 2 monitors in twinview is my setup :)
[00:51] <roasted_> so what if I have 3 ports on my single nvidia card and I want all 3 to be used?
[00:51] <roasted_> then what?
[00:51] <Azelphur> roasted_: then your using an imaginary card that doesn't exist :o
[00:51] <coz_> if I cannot get a crt running with ubuntu  I will have to switch distributions :(
[00:51] <roasted_> I am?
[00:51] <Azelphur> coz_: can you use it as your primary monitor? what card are you on?
[00:52] <coz_> roasted_,  3 ports on one card?
[00:52] <roasted_> I was thinking of a video splitter...
[00:52] <roasted_> I wouldn't mind adding a 3rd monitor to hang on the wall to my system so I can watch my video surveillance feed from the basement
[00:52] <Azelphur> roasted_: video splitters arn't extra monitors as far as the computer is concerned there's just one big monitor
[00:52] <roasted_> it was just a thought
[00:52] <roasted_> ah
[00:52] <roasted_> okay
[00:52] <coz_> Azelphur,  this system is a mid range system to reflect most of my clients,, however many of my clients do not use lcd screens because they are graphics artists
[00:52] <zhiwei> hi, vpn connection failed, a few days ago I can connect is. details in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pptpd/+bug/864969
[00:52] <coz_> let me try as primary
[00:53] <roasted_> can I put unity on my right monitor yet?
[00:53] <roasted_> cause my secondary monitor is on the left
[00:53] <roasted_> and I want the unity bar to be on the right monitor (main)
[00:53] <Azelphur> roasted_: your not going to get unity on separate X screens.
[00:53] <Azelphur> not for a long time if at all
[00:53] <roasted_> I'm on twinview
[00:53] <Azelphur> oh, twinview
[00:53] <Azelphur> dunno
[00:53] <roasted_> yeah, I didnt even bother with it once you said it was dropped
[00:53] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:54] <Azelphur> roasted_: it works fine in XFCE :)
[00:54] <coz_> Azelphur,  interesting,, it does recognize it as primary  that's odd,, let me try secondary again
[00:54] <roasted_> I use enough XFCE at work
[00:54] <roasted_> at home I like my gnome 3 and unity :P
[00:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:54] <roasted_> yeah, I cant seem to get the bar on the right monitor
[00:54] <roasted_> damnit.
[00:54] <roasted_> unity, stop being so tarded
[00:55] <coz_> ok got it,,,metamodes were identical ,, strange
[00:56] <roasted_> wait, I somehow for unity on my right monitor in 11.04
[00:58] <coz_> ok another question,, is gnome3 in the repositories?
[00:58] <roasted_> yes
[00:58] <Azelphur> ^
[00:58] <roasted_> I just installed gnome-shell
[00:58] <roasted_> like 4 seconds ago
[00:58] <coz_> ok let me check
[00:58] <roasted_> 11.10 is GTK3 based, which is what Gnome 3 is based on
[00:58] <roasted_> as well as Unity in 11.10
[00:59] <roasted_> so they can co-exist in 11.10 and up, whereas 11.04 they could not since it was GTK2 based
[00:59] <roasted_> which made their union with installing side by side rather ugly
[00:59] <Azelphur> roasted_: nautilus main menu with no panel because the panel crashes because gnome notification area falls over and dies when separate X screens are presented to it?  Notice how david gilmore's arm is completely severed from his body as he shreds that guitar?
[01:00] <Azelphur> lmao
[01:01] <roasted_> its quite bad cause I want to use ubuntu as a HTPC
[01:01] <roasted_> but its proving to be a huge joke
[01:01] <Azelphur> dual screen htpc wat?
[01:01] <roasted_> and talking to epople who have used ubuntu + nvidia for YEARS with no video tearing enrages me because I have YET to have a system without video tearing
[01:01] <roasted_> dual screen home desktop
[01:01] <roasted_> but I want an ubuntu HTPC too
[01:01] <roasted_> just to hte TV
[01:01] <Azelphur> I have a Ubuntu HTPC it works fine
[01:01] <Azelphur> never had any tearing issues
[01:02] <Azelphur> tearing could be caused by compiz, try disabling it
[01:02] <roasted_> what video card
[01:02] <Azelphur> 9600GT I think
[01:02] <roasted_> WHAT
[01:02] <roasted_> THATS WHAT I HAVE
[01:02] <Azelphur> haha :D
[01:02] <roasted_> TELL ME YOUR SECRIT
[01:02] <Azelphur> *whispers* don't use compiz
[01:02] <Azelphur> (why would you need it on a HTPC anyway)
[01:02] <roasted_> that doenst help me on my desktop though...
[01:02] <coz_> well try enabling or disabling sync to vblank first
[01:03] <roasted_> my desktop isnt my HTPC. we're talking 2 systems
[01:03] <roasted_> coz - been there
[01:03] <Azelphur> roasted_: on your PC I dunno, I use compiz heavily and I don't have tearing issues.
[01:03] <Azelphur> 8800GT / GTX 570
[01:03] <Azelphur> don't have tearing on my laptop either (8400M GT)
[01:05] <coz_> roasted_,  did you try  "force synchronization between x and glx" under workarounds?
[01:06] <roasted_> where would that be located?
[01:06] <roasted_> I've never heard of that
[01:06] <coz_> roasted_,  ccsm / workarounds
[01:06] <roasted_> never heard of that one, but I see it now
[01:06] <roasted_> Im transferring a concert that Ive seen a lot of tearing in before to my desktop now (just did a fresh install of 11.10)
[01:07] <roasted_> so I'll try without that first and then check that box and see if it maeks a difference
[01:07] <coz_> ok I am apparenlty being a dunce today,, how to install gnome 3 full on 11.10?
[01:07] <roasted_> apt-get install gnome-shell, I thought
[01:07] <roasted_> then select Gnome @ login screen
[01:07] <coz_> mmm let me check
[01:08] <bandit5432> i wonder if that would fix my problem with app menus being placed above the panel in fallback mode
[01:08] <roasted_> oh nice
[01:08] <roasted_> compiz just crashed
[01:09] <coz_> roasted_,  been crashing here
[01:09] <bandit5432> i am not happy with compiz at the moment and am looking into mutter
[01:09] <roasted_> I also seem to have no audio
[01:09] <roasted_> mutter as in gnome 3?
[01:09] <bandit5432> yes mutter is the metacity replacment for gnome 3
[01:09] <roasted_> ah sweet
[01:10] <roasted_> forgot I have an integrated card, it was defaulting to that for sound
[01:10] <bandit5432> type mutter --replace in a terminal that being said there is no easy way to change anything
[01:10] <roasted_> all right guys. comfortably numb guitar solo. pulse. london. 1994. epicness.
[01:10] <roasted_> time to see if guitar tearing exists
[01:10] <roasted_> AND IT EXISTS. SWEET.  I even see tearing just by moving windows around. I don't even have to be IN an actual video.
[01:13] <roasted_> WHY is tearing so bad in linux.
[01:13] <bandit5432> roasted_, what video card you have?
[01:13] <roasted_> 9600gt
[01:14] <bandit5432> ok something is messed up bad then
[01:14] <roasted_> I'm just frustrated that after all of these years using linux that I still have to tolerate video tearing. :(
[01:14] <bandit5432> what is video tearing?
[01:14] <bjsnider> roasted_, compiz and gnome-shell are mutually exclusive
[01:14] <roasted_> http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7877/tearingsimulated.png
[01:14] <bandit5432> ok that is ugly
[01:15] <bandit5432> what ram do you have?
[01:15] <roasted_> its even uglier when you are watching one of the most epic live concerts of all time
[01:15] <roasted_> 4gb
[01:15] <roasted_> and seeing that happen
[01:15] <bandit5432> you using the nvidia drivers
[01:15] <roasted_> yes
[01:15] <bjsnider> you're watching gimme shelter?
[01:15] <roasted_> what?
[01:15] <roasted_> no
[01:15] <bandit5432> what is the nvidia settings at?
[01:15] <roasted_> in terms of what? refresh settings and such?
[01:16] <bandit5432> yes
[01:16] <roasted_> I have two monitors. 24 @ 1920x1080 and 19 @ 1440x900. both are set up in twinview. both at 60hz
[01:16] <bandit5432> do yu have sync to vblank off?
[01:16] <roasted_> on
[01:16] <bandit5432> turn it off
[01:16] <roasted_> thought it had to be on...
[01:16] <bandit5432> dont think so
[01:16] <roasted_> wanna bet a dollar? :P
[01:17] <roasted_> sync to vblank is what is *supposed* to fix it
[01:17] <roasted_> yet it hasn't. ever.
[01:17] <bandit5432> you want that turned off
[01:17] <roasted_> are you sure???
[01:17] <bandit5432> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance#Problem:_Sync_to_VBlank
[01:18] <bandit5432> should be the same for nvidia
[01:18] <bandit5432> nvidia-settings in a terminal and see what vblank is set to
[01:18] <roasted_> I have it off now
[01:18] <roasted_> now what, reboot?
[01:19] <bandit5432> that i dont know about
[01:19] <bandit5432> try watching a movie first
[01:19] <roasted_> is that all I should change?
[01:19] <bandit5432> yes i believe so
[01:20] <roasted_> k watching a concert
[01:20] <roasted_> still tearing
[01:20] <roasted_> rebooting
[01:20] <bandit5432> wait
[01:20] <roasted_> oos
[01:20] <roasted_> oops
[01:20] <bandit5432> did you turn it off under performance?
[01:20] <roasted_> vblank?
[01:20] <roasted_> I turned it off under opengl
[01:20] <roasted_> within nvidia settings
[01:20] <bandit5432> k
[01:20] <roasted_> I also turned it off in compiz
[01:20] <roasted_> compizconfig settings manager
[01:21] <roasted_> I was told to enable them but make sure BOTH are enabled
[01:21] <roasted_> which... did nothing
[01:21] <bandit5432> i have it set on the xvideo settings and turned off under opengl
[01:21] <bandit5432> hmm
[01:21] <STiK> Nice to have tethering back
[01:21] <roasted_> maybe I should double check mine too
[01:21] <bandit5432> roasted_, the formums say turnit off in both spots in nvidia-settings
[01:22] <STiK> Sorry, wrong channel :P
[01:22] <nhaines> STiK: it's okay.  Tethering is awesome anyway.  :P
[01:22] <roasted_> yeah I have it enabled as well
[01:22] <roasted_> I didnt realize there were 2 spots
[01:22] <bandit5432> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748642
[01:22] <roasted_> rebooting again to be sure
[01:22] <bandit5432> try turning it off in all 3 spots
[01:22] <roasted_> yeah
[01:22] <roasted_> that's so strange
[01:22] <roasted_> I always read you're supposed to have them ON
[01:22] <STiK> Why yes it is :)
[01:23] <roasted_> I'll flip crazy if this fixes it
[01:23] <roasted_> and likely overnight you a cold case of beer, bandit
[01:23] <coz_> well gnome 3 is not working well on 11.10 either
[01:23] <roasted_> why not?
[01:23] <bandit5432> :)
[01:23] <roasted_> it works decent here
[01:23] <bjsnider> works perfectly
[01:23] <coz_> well first the screen keeps dimming  with dual monitors  ,, not sure what it's doing
[01:24] <bjsnider> there is no tearing in mutter
[01:24] <bjsnider> why does everybody have 5 monitors on 16 different graphics cards in this channel?
[01:24] <bjsnider> is this the multiple monitors channel?
[01:24] <roasted_> I think its still tearing
[01:24] <bandit5432> bjsnider, are you using mutter or compiz?
[01:24] <roasted_> yeah
[01:24] <roasted_> it is
[01:24] <roasted_> damnit
[01:24] <roasted_> linux. seriously.
[01:25] <roasted_> it's been 7 damn years
[01:25] <bandit5432> did you turnit off in all 3 spots roasted_ ?
[01:25] <coz_> this is just rediculous...beta or not,,,
[01:25] <roasted_> yes
[01:25] <bjsnider> mutter
[01:25] <roasted_> all 3 as in
[01:25] <roasted_> 2 in nvidia settings and 1 in compiz?
[01:25] <bandit5432> what are you using to play the video?
[01:25] <roasted_> or were there 3 in nvidia settings?
[01:25] <roasted_> the default movie player
[01:25] <bandit5432> i dont know what the default is?
[01:25] <bjsnider> compiz tearing can be fixed by checking sync to vblank and detect refresh rate in ccsm
[01:25] <roasted_> I think its totem?
[01:25] <roasted_> bj, that's what I thought
[01:25] <roasted_> except. it doesn't.
[01:25] <roasted_> and it hasn't EVER fixed it even though I've heard no less than 4,000 times that it's supposed to
[01:26] <bjsnider> although it might be broken at the moment
[01:26] <bjsnider> try gnome-shell
[01:26] <roasted_> across 4 different systems and dozens of installs of ubuntu across each
[01:26] <roasted_> I'm on gnome shell
[01:26] <bandit5432> i would change the renderer in the video player
[01:26] <bjsnider> there's no tearing in mutter
[01:26] <roasted_> oh, there isn't?
[01:26] <roasted_> want a screenshot? :D
[01:26] <bjsnider> sure
[01:26] <bandit5432> and make sure you are using mutter
[01:26] <bandit5432> mutter --replace in a terminal first
[01:27] <bjsnider> mutter is tear-free by design
[01:27] <roasted_> I need to install it first?
[01:27] <bandit5432> no should be installed already
[01:27] <roasted_> or do I just need sudo in front of it?
[01:27] <bjsnider> if you are really using gnome-shell you are already using mutter
[01:27] <roasted_> says the program mutter is not installed
[01:27] <bandit5432> dont need to sudo nothing
[01:27] <roasted_> well, here's what I did
[01:27] <roasted_> installed 11.10, installed gnome-shell via sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[01:27] <roasted_> and I just now typed into terminal, mutter --replace
[01:28] <roasted_> and it's saying its not installed
[01:28] <bandit5432> looks like there might be your problem
[01:28] <roasted_> how so?
[01:28] <bjsnider> just go to the login screen and select gnome as the session
[01:28] <coz_> mutter is not installed
[01:28] <roasted_> I did
[01:28] <roasted_> I'm ON gnome shell
[01:28] <coz_> same here
[01:29] <roasted_> coz you get the same thing?
[01:29] <coz_> yep
[01:29] <bandit5432> tell me what this command says in a terminal
[01:29] <coz_> this sucks :)
[01:29] <bandit5432> env | grep -i gdmsession
[01:29] <roasted_> the program mutter is not installed. toinstall it type sudo apt-get install mutter.
[01:29] <bjsnider> roasted_, go to the console and type gnome-shell --version
[01:29] <roasted_> 3.2.0
[01:30] <coz_> same here
[01:30] <bjsnider> i don't see how you could have tearing
[01:30] <bandit5432> and whats the output from
[01:30] <bandit5432> env | grep -i gdmsession
[01:30] <roasted_> I do
[01:30] <roasted_> I have a lot of it actually
[01:30] <roasted_> mutter is available in synaptic
[01:30] <roasted_> but not installed
[01:30] <roasted_> mutter common, libmutter0, gir1.2-mutter-3.0 is installed
[01:30] <roasted_> libmutter-dev and "mutter" is not
[01:30] <bjsnider> but you can the shared lib, the typelib package and mutter-common
[01:30] <roasted_> description for mutter - lightweight gtk+ window manager. should I install it? or are you guys confused because it SHOULD be installed?
[01:30] <bjsnider> you have them
[01:31] <bandit5432> install mutter and see what happens
[01:31] <coz_> ok  this is rediculous,, I am installing fedora ,, at least I know gnome3 and compiz work flawlessy on that
[01:31] <roasted_> coz has a good idea there...
[01:31] <bandit5432> ahahaha
[01:31] <bandit5432> are there trolls afoot?
[01:31] <roasted_> no
[01:31] <roasted_> coz is a regular ubuntu user
[01:31] <roasted_> I see him a lot in off topic
[01:31] <bandit5432> oh ok
[01:31] <roasted_> hes just insanely frustrated. as am I over this senseless bullchit.
[01:32] <roasted_> okay
[01:32] <roasted_> I ran mutter --replace
[01:32] <roasted_> and it seems as if I have a semi crash upon me
[01:32] <roasted_> my top panel is gone and the super key doesnt open gnome shell
[01:32] <roasted_> I lost metacity
[01:32] <roasted_> no window borders
[01:32] <bjsnider> roasted_, i can think of one reason you might have tearing, which is if you're using the nouveau graphics driver instead of nvidia
[01:33] <bjsnider> nouveau has not implemented sync to vlblank yet
[01:33] <roasted_> I used nvidia-current (recommended) from the drivers menu
[01:33] <bandit5432> bjsnider, he did run nvidia-settings though
[01:33] <bandit5432> roasted_, did you get an error when you rain mutter-replace?
[01:33] <roasted_> it said something about not being in the stack
[01:33] <roasted_> but I could not see the full error
[01:34] <roasted_> my screen fluttered and then I lost window borders
[01:34] <bandit5432> is this a fresh install or update?
[01:34] <roasted_> fresh
[01:34] <roasted_> 11.10 beta 2 amd64
[01:34] <bandit5432> and you updated?
[01:34] <roasted_> first thing I did
[01:34] <bandit5432> wierd i cant say anthing i have been having issues all afternoon but i am running fallback mode
[01:34] <roasted_> seriously considering fedora 15
[01:35] <roasted_> at least till final release of 11.10
[01:35] <bandit5432> thats what you get for running beta
[01:35] <roasted_> beta?
[01:35] <roasted_> what about 11.04
[01:35] <roasted_> and 10.10
[01:35] <roasted_> 10.04
[01:35] <roasted_> going on back till ubuntu first began
[01:35] <bjsnider> roasted_, glxinfo | grep vendor
[01:35] <bandit5432> i am trying out gnome3 and seeing if i can work with it
[01:35] <roasted_> this isn't an issue with gnome 3
[01:35] <roasted_> this has been an issue on every desktop environment and every linux distro I've tested
[01:36] <roasted_> this has been an issue 7 YEARS in the making
[01:36] <roasted_> this isn't due to a "beta"
[01:36] <bandit5432> i have been running linux as my only desktop for 6 years and i dont have the problems that you are talking about
[01:36] <roasted_> bjsnider - server, client, and opengl - nvidia corporation
[01:36] <roasted_> bandit5432. I've heard that before from other users, yet I still cannot get my tearing fixed.
[01:36] <roasted_> I mean, I dual boot windows JUST so I can watch movies
[01:36] <roasted_> how bad is that?
[01:36] <bandit5432> do you have mplay installed?
[01:36] <bjsnider> roasted_, can you try using only one monitor?
[01:37] <bandit5432> mplayer?
[01:37] <roasted_> bjsnider - sure I can try that quick
[01:37] <roasted_> give me as econd
[01:37] <bjsnider> to make sure it's a fair test restart the x server by logging out and back in
[01:37] <bandit5432> i didnt know they added vdpau to gnome mplayer
[01:37] <roasted_> Ive tried mplayer, vlc, totem, dragon player
[01:37] <atari2600a> so
[01:37] <roasted_> bjsnider - I'm just rebooting. :P
[01:38] <atari2600a> why is my desktop still going into standby
[01:38] <bjsnider> well, whatever
[01:38] <roasted_> do any of you guys run twinview?
[01:38] <bandit5432> atari2600a, did you turn it off in power settings
[01:39] <atari2600a> bandit5432, yeah
[01:39] <bandit5432> atari2600a,  you using a laptop?
[01:39] <atari2600a> bandit5432, no
[01:40] <bandit5432> did you set it to never?
[01:40] <atari2600a> bandit5432, well now it's 'don't supsend' but yeah
[01:41] <bandit5432> when you say suspend do you mean it goes to sleep or just turns the monitor off?
[01:41] <roasted_> I'm not noticing any video tearing with one monitor....
[01:41] <atari2600a> IT SUSPENDS
[01:41] <bandit5432> boo hiss
[01:41] <atari2600a> I recall a bug report being filed but that was half a week ago...
[01:41] <atari2600a> is there a workaround?
[01:42] <atari2600a> *yet
[01:42] <roasted_> bjsnider, what say you about that?
[01:43] <bjsnider> what about general desktop tearing?
[01:43] <roasted_> no, 1 monitor has no tearing...
[01:43] <roasted_> yet 2 does
[01:43] <roasted_> any opinion or thoughts??
[01:43] <bandit5432> i would say the drivers roasted_
[01:43] <bjsnider> yes
[01:43] <roasted_> the drivers
[01:43] <roasted_> after 7 years, it's still the drivers
[01:43] <bjsnider> your monitors have different refresh rates
[01:43] <bandit5432> atari2600a, i turned it off in the settings and it stopped
[01:43] <roasted_> whats that matter if the video is full screened on 1 monitor
[01:44] <roasted_> how would the othe rmonitor effect it
[01:44] <bjsnider> it matters
[01:44] <roasted_> oh?
[01:44] <bjsnider> i'm speaking from personal experience
[01:44] <bandit5432> atari2600a,  i am still looking
[01:44] <bjsnider> the graphcis card can only do so much
[01:44] <roasted_> does twinview see 2 monitors as one?
[01:45] <bjsnider> there is an nvidia-settings switch for syncing video to one specific monitor though
[01:45] <bjsnider> yes it does
[01:45] <roasted_> I thought I remeber seeing the 2nd monitor being 59hz
[01:45] <roasted_> and my main one being 60
[01:45] <roasted_> think that could be it alone?
[01:45] <bjsnider> righ, it's probably 59.95
[01:45] <bjsnider> this is exactly the situation i faced awhile back
[01:46] <roasted_> no kidding...
[01:46] <bjsnider> you need two at 60 or two at 59.95
[01:46] <roasted_> well, fortunately, if I were to use linux for a HTPC I wouldnt have this issue.
[01:46] <roasted_> since hte TV would be running solo
[01:46] <bjsnider> mixing them will fail
[01:46] <roasted_> well damn...
[01:46] <bjsnider> correct
[01:46] <bjsnider> and i hate to say i told you so about mutter
[01:46] <bjsnider> but there is no tearing in mutter
[01:46] <roasted_> so mixing refresh rates in mutter = doesnt matter?
[01:47] <bjsnider> well, mutter wasn't responsible
[01:47] <bjsnider> your graphics card can't do what you're asking it to
[01:47] <roasted_> I see
[01:47] <bjsnider> but now that you know you can go out and get a matching monitor
[01:48] <roasted_> well, I have another LCD in the garage
[01:48] <roasted_> I might fire that up and see
[01:48] <roasted_> it's just not a wide screen, and its 17" and not 19"
[01:48] <roasted_> :(
[01:48] <roasted_> thats crazy that matters that much. I had no idea.
[01:48] <bjsnider> well, there isn't much difference between 59.95 and 60.00
[01:48] <roasted_> I suppose I cant force a refresh rate?
[01:48] <bjsnider> but it's all the difference in the wold
[01:48] <roasted_> its just by design of the hardware monitor itself?
[01:49] <bjsnider> no, that's a monitor hardware issue
[01:49] <roasted_> gotcha
[01:49] <roasted_> are there a lot of 59.95 monitors?
[01:49] <bjsnider> it may say so on the back of the monitor too
[01:49] <roasted_> all Ive ever seen was 60
[01:49] <bjsnider> i dunno, i'm using one right now
[01:49] <roasted_> a 59?
[01:49] <bjsnider> yes
[01:49] <bjsnider> 59.95
[01:49] <roasted_> hm
[01:50] <bjsnider> .05 difference causes tearing
[01:50] <roasted_> would this be the same issue on windows?
[01:50] <bjsnider> yes
[01:50] <roasted_> I dont recall seeing tearing on windows, but Ive also not been in windows for uh
[01:50] <roasted_> a year?
[01:51] <bjsnider> it would be more pronounced in video because that's constantly changing
[01:51] <roasted_> well yeah
[01:51] <roasted_> but I watched movies on windows and hadnt noticed it
[01:52] <bandit5432> atari2600a, you still there
[01:52] <roasted_> this monitor Im looking at on newegg says veritcal refresh rate 49 - 75
[01:52] <roasted_> hmm??
[01:53] <atari2600a> yeah
[01:53] <bandit5432> i dont see why this would change anything but that being said
[01:55] <bandit5432> you can change the 2 power options in gnome-tweak
[01:56] <bandit5432> if you want to disable the harddrive from spinning down you need to use dconf-editor
[01:58] <bandit5432> atari2600a, looks like many people are having this problem
[02:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Audio gets stuck when cpu is high, its like a looping sound of a damaged record machine
[02:02] <bandit5432> atari2600a, there is a fix but it looks nasty
[02:02] <bandit5432> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/860485/comments/15
[02:03] <atari2600a> what the hell man that's not messy at all
[02:03] <atari2600a> that's entirely normal
[02:04] <bandit5432> lol
[02:04] <atari2600a> now I hav 80MB of crap that is gnome-tweak in my / partition
[02:04] <bandit5432> the fix is supposed to be out with the 11.10 milestone
[02:04] <atari2600a> hold on, removing & autoremoving...
[02:04] <bandit5432> i like gnome-tweak for changing themes
[02:05] <atari2600a> you can change themes directly in appearances
[02:05] <bandit5432> and its only 695kb not 80megs
[02:05] <bandit5432> i am running fallback mode
[02:06] <atari2600a> it has 20mb of prerequisites that's 80mb uncompressed
[02:07] <bandit5432> hmm
[02:07] <bandit5432> didnt realize that
[02:07] <atari2600a> thanks
[02:07] <atari2600a> leaving
[02:08] <bandit5432> any one have any ideas about compiz and fallback mode with the dissapearing application menus?
[02:09] <jbicha> bandit5432: could you be more specific?
[02:09] <bandit5432> when i use compiz and run a appliction it draws the menu under the gnome panel
[02:10] <bandit5432> i can then use the cssm move plugin to drag it down so that the menu is visable
[02:10] <bandit5432> mutter does not do that... but i have not found a way to easily configure the mutter plugins
[02:13] <e_t_> after installing oneiric server and setting up a few lxc guest systems, the server will hang on reboot.
[02:14] <bandit5432> i like ccsm i can turn off all the bells and whistles and get my cheerios back
[02:15] <bandit5432> e_t why would you run oneiric server?
[02:15] <bjsnider> there are gnome-shell extensions that can give you the old menus back if you absolutely have to have them
[02:15] <nhaines> bandit5432: bug testing?
[02:15] <bandit5432> bjsnider, i am running gnome-3 fallback
[02:16] <e_t_> bandit5432: Because it's not production and I wanted to utilize the improved LXC in oneiric.
[02:16] <bandit5432> sorry i did not think of that nhaines
[02:17] <bandit5432> e_t_,  when does it hang?
[02:18] <e_t_> It gets to 'init-scripts bottom' and stops there.
[02:20] <saulotoledo> Hello! How can I install lightdm in my language? I have only english here
[02:22] <bandit5432> e_t_, you running lvm?
[02:23] <e_t_> I was, but I reinstalled with plain partitions and I get the same behavior.
[02:24] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone using kubuntu 11.10?
[02:25] <bandit5432> e_t_, looks like you are not alone i cant tell from the bug reports if people are having the exact problem or not
[02:26] <bandit5432> what hardware are you using?
[02:26] <nhaines> saulotoledo: if you go to System Settings, and choose Language Support, you should be able to choose a language and click the "Apply System-Wide" button.
[02:30] <e_t_> bandit5432: I'm using VirtualBox, but attached to a physical hard disk. Hardware doesn't seem to be a factor.
[02:31] <bandit5432> so it could be a virtualbox problem
[02:33] <e_t_> bandit5432: I have placed the hard disk into an old laptop and it won't boot either, though it would with earlier ubuntus.
[02:34] <bandit5432> you running virtulbox with raw disk access
[02:34] <bandit5432> i thought i was the only one that did that
[02:35] <e_t_> yes. The laptop's video card is toast, so VBox is the only easy way I can install an OS.
[02:36] <bandit5432> does the laptop have similar hardware to your vm machine?
[02:39] <e_t_> Not really, besides being x86(-64) PCs.
[02:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Anyone facing problems with audio?
[02:42] <bandit5432> so they both have vt-x or amd-v enabled and similar hard drive controllers
[02:44] <e_t_> They both have SATA disk controllers. A VM guest cannot make use of VT-x, but LXC doesn't need that anyway and it wouldn't affect the machine's ability to boot.
[02:46] <bandit5432> does the laptop stop booting at the same place?
[02:47] <bandit5432> have you checked the partitions with e2fsck?
[02:50] <bandit5432> e_t_, you are causing me to think about setting up a test server
[02:53] <e_t_> Since the laptop's video card is dead, I have no visual feedback at all. I can only tell if networking and SSH come up or not. I'm actually using XFS for the root filesystem, and it checks out OK. In VBox, it always stops somewhere around 1336-1338 DMA transfers (according to the session information panel).
[03:02] <e_t_> As far as I can tell, the server is fine until I create an LXC guest. Before then, I can install updates and reboot all I want, but as soon as there's a guest installed (not even set to start at boot, just installed), the system will hang when rebooted. I guess I'll just revert to 10.04 for the present and see if that works for me.
[03:04] <bandit5432> i cant find anything recent e_t_
[03:05] <bandit5432> i have been looking did you use the built in templates for creating the lxc guest?
[03:06] <e_t_> bandit5432: Mostly. I copied the lxc-ubuntu template and added a few packages to the list, but that's all.
[03:07] <bandit5432> and you setup the cgroups thing which i dont understand
[03:08] <bandit5432> there are instructions that are for natty here http://www.subcritical.org/lxc_on_natty/
[03:13] <bandit5432> hasen you get compiz to work?
[03:13] <e_t_> Yeah, there is a lot of documentation for LXC, the earliest from IBM circa 2009. If any two sources agreed with each other, it would be a step in the right direction. LXC is riding the whirlwind development-wise, but the docs just get blown away. (potentially labored analogy)
[03:14] <bandit5432> i just wondered since natty is one release ago those documents might work
[03:17] <e_t_> I had been using LXC on natty. The templates were not as good (Fedora and SUSE didn't work at all). However, there's nothing distro-specific in the templates themselves, so I could import oneiric's templates to a natty or lucid server.
[03:19] <bandit5432> i might use the link i posted to use lxc since i never have the only other thing i can find is at http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/updated-lxc-package-in-oneiric/
[03:20] <bandit5432> and http://www.wallix.org/2011/09/20/how-to-use-linux-containers-lxc-under-debian-squeeze/
[03:21] <e_t_> But the templates are just BASH scripts. I'll see if they're back-portable to lucid.
[03:21] <bandit5432> you have probably seen all of those
[03:21] <bandit5432> the links i posted where not about templates
[03:21] <bandit5432> was install and setup lxc containers from start to finish not just templates
[03:23] <bandit5432> any way i am out of ideas sorry i was not more helpful :|
[03:25] <e_t_> Thanks anyway. I'll muddle through -- I always do.
[03:26] <bandit5432> dont we all
[03:26] <bandit5432> or seem to
[03:30] <FoolishOwl> Has Nautilus always ignored options set in /etc/fstab ?
[03:35] <FoolishOwl> I noticed that Nautilus now allows users to mount devices with mountpoints in /etc/fstab set to "none".
[03:36] <FoolishOwl> Worse, in that case, it ignores the mount options in /etc/fstab. So I had some devices set for mounting "noauto,nouser,ro", that were mounted by a user and writable.
[03:36] <FoolishOwl> That seems like a problem.
[03:39] <FoolishOwl> Anyone?
[03:53] <FoolishOwl> Well, I filed a bug for it, anyway.
[04:00] <hoppipolla> Hey anyone got problems with Gnome Shell in Oneriic like screen flickering, looks like some parts of unity like global menu ar trying to be shown >
[04:16] <melvincv> Hi all
[04:16] <melvincv> How is GNOME 3 doing so far on Ubuntu 11.10? Compared to Unity?
[04:18] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is in good shape
[04:27] <ranjan> Hi , Hi all, how to reduce the font size in ubuntu 11.10. Is there any configuration files that we can alter instead of installing tools like gnome-tweak-tool?
[04:30] <melvincv> ranjan, System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts tab...
[04:41] <Tohuw> I've got a user who installed the audio creation suite via tasksel, now her ubuntu is branded as ubuntu studio. How does she change it back to normal ubuntu branding?
[04:45] <melvincv> Tohuw, look for the ubuntustudio-* packages and remove the ones you don't need...
[04:46] <jbicha> melvincv: that doesn't work in 11.10
[04:46] <melvincv> Tohuw, like ubuntustudio-look, ubuntustudio-menu, ubuntustudio-theme
[04:47] <melvincv> jbicha, what? removing packages?
[04:50] <jbicha> melvincv: sorry, changing the font, you can have minimal control in System Settings>Universal Access
[04:57] <melrockz> jbicha, so that's a broken feature?
[05:00] <jbicha> melrockz: no, this is GNOME 3, what you were describing was late GNOME 2
[05:03] <melrockz> jbicha, I see. Can we create desktop icons or panel icons yet in Gnome3 ? :)
[05:08] <bjsnider> melrockz, that misses the point of the thing
[05:09] <bjsnider> you can add favourites in overview, you don't need to have panel shortcuts
[05:11]  * melrockz is using Gnome3 fallback mode :(
[05:11]  * melrockz needs to upgrade his computer.
[06:27] <MarkGreenwood_> Helloes
[06:29] <MarkGreenwood_> Anyone know when gnome-sushi and documents should be ready ?
[06:30] <Logan_> What kind of sushi?
[06:37] <jbicha> MarkGreenwood_: try Ubuntu 12.04 :) as we passed feature freeze weeks ago
[06:49] <bhavesh_> I just now install GNOME 3 shell in my 11.10 with software centre
[06:49] <bhavesh_> but when I logout and login again selecting GNOME in menu, it still boots into Unity
[06:56] <nhaines> bhavesh_: what package did you install?
[07:03] <bhavesh__> nhaines: er I guess I did sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[07:03] <bhavesh__> nhaines, nothing else
[07:04] <nhaines> bhavesh__: sorry, did you use Software Centre or apt-get?
[07:04] <bhavesh__> nhaines, I used apt-get, sorry I didn't meanto to write "software centre" in my first post
[07:05] <bhavesh__> nhaines, shall I reinstall it?
[07:05] <nhaines> bhavesh__: it's okay.  The package name is more important than the method, since both should install the same packages.  But sometimes it's important to know for troubleshooting.  :)
[07:06] <jbicha> bhavesh__: there's a bug where if you mistype your password, the session chooser reverts to the last session you logged in to
[07:06] <bhavesh__> nhaines, ok.
[07:06] <jbicha> I'd suggest trying to login to GNOME again
[07:07] <bhavesh__> jbicha, I tried like 6 times and once again now, it takes me to unity
[07:07] <jbicha> and you have to log out, LightDM doesn't support the same user logged in with two different desktops
[07:07] <bhavesh__> jbicha, oh, I didn't logout first
[07:08]  * bhavesh__ brb logging out
[07:10] <bhavesh_> jbicha, nhaines , :) logging out and again logging in loaded GNOME desktop but it was zoomed to such a extent that it showed only 1/4th screen
[07:11] <bhavesh_> jbicha, Here's a screenshot : http://i.imgur.com/Icz1i.png
[07:12] <jbicha> bhavesh__: if that's not already been filed as a bug, you can go ahead and do that since that feature is possible with gdm
[07:12] <bhavesh_> !gdm
[07:13] <bhavesh_> jbicha, ok :D ty
[07:13] <jbicha> bhavesh_: right click on your desktop and choose Organize Desktop by Name
[07:15] <bhavesh_> jbicha, well I just discovered that its not a bug, zoom was enabled by default
[07:16] <bhavesh_> I cannot minimize windows? O.o
[07:16] <bhavesh_> jbicha, Organize desktop by name takes all the icons far away..
[07:19] <jbicha> bhavesh_: you can right-click on a window title to minimize, or if that's too much of a bother try gnome-tweak-tool to add the minimize button back
[07:19] <bhavesh_> ok
[07:19] <jbicha> but you don't really need a minimize button in gnome-shell
[07:19] <bhavesh_> right
[07:19] <jbicha> I also suggest looking at the Help
[07:19] <bhavesh_> ok
[07:19] <jbicha> there's tips and tricks hidden in there
[08:35] <Eruaran> Does anybody know how to get the clock in kubuntu 11.10 to stop showing 24 hour time
[09:29] <Kiranos> Hi I'm running ubuntu 11.10 and my desktop goes into hybernate or something after 1h and the only thing returning it is one press on the powerbutton on the chassi
[09:29] <Kiranos> I'm not using a laptop
[09:29] <Kiranos> is there a way to turn this off?
[09:29] <Kiranos> I dont see why its there on a  desktop
[09:30] <Kiranos> power is set as "Don't suspend"
[10:06] <adammw111> Is nautilus broken for anyone else? I just installed virtualbox-dkms and now rebooting nautilus seems to crash (Segmentation fault) either due to libglib or something else..
[10:09] <Kiranos> it works for me, I have virtualbox and upgraded all packeges today. cant say more than that though
[11:07] <nekto0n> hi there! are there any plans to update gdm to 3.2? the latest available now is 3.0.4.
[11:19] <drussell> nekto0n: probably not as ubuntu is focussing on lightdm for 11.10 onwards
[11:20] <vooze> is beta2 stable enough for browsing, etc.. or is there still crashes?
[11:20] <nekto0n> drussell: i thought it's the reason for some delay... waiting for a ppa to arrive :)
[11:21] <drussell> nekto0n: :o)
[11:21] <drussell> vooze: seems to be pretty stable imho
[11:22] <vooze> drussell: thanks, guess i should just install then.. I used 11.04 from beta2 also anyway
[11:22] <drussell> vooze: most of the big crashes have been sorted, a few niggles still about
[11:22] <drussell> vooze: do you need wifi?
[11:22] <vooze> ye
[11:23] <vooze> drussell: is there a problem with wifi?
[11:23] <drussell> vooze: there's one bug that still needs squashing... might affect you, might not
[11:23] <drussell> vooze: just digging up bug number
[11:24] <drussell> vooze: bug 836250
[11:24] <drussell> vooze: check to see what your wireless chipset is first, and if you use N wifi
[11:25] <drussell> vooze: it's currently unusable if you get hit by it
[11:56] <galerien> Hello everyone, I'm using ubuntu 11.10 right now, the beta i know, and i would like to get rid of the botom bar with all my open programs and such, as I want to use cairo-dock. Before, I just had to right click on it and choose to hide it, but here it doesn't work, anyone can help me ? thanks in advance
[12:11] <schreber> how much does 11.10 look like the standard gnome desktop and how much of it looks like the current version of ubuntu?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:19] <histo> schreber: it's close to gnome3
[12:21] <schreber> can we disable unity and enable whatever gnome3 uses ?
[12:21] <jtaylor> !notunity
[12:24] <schreber> thanks
[12:32] <myk_robinson> morning, all. Apparently tsclient is not in 11.10. What else can I use?
[12:40] <myk_robinson> ok, remote desktop viewer works, but how can I minimize the screen instead of just closing it?
[12:41] <KM0201> wh not just use vnc?
[12:41] <KM0201> from terminal
[12:43] <myk_robinson> KM0201: will that interact with an RDP session from Windows XP?
[12:44] <myk_robinson> or does the target have to be running VNC? Just used to using tsclient
[12:44] <myk_robinson> and discovered it missing
[12:44] <KM0201> hmm, i dunno.. usually people i help are to dense to set up remote desktop, so i just set up a reverse connection....
[12:45] <KM0201> not the most secure connection but it works fine for simply fixing their problems.
[13:07] <galerien> Hello everyone, I'm using ubuntu 11.10 right now, the beta i know, and i would like to get rid of the botom bar with all my open programs and such, as I want to use cairo-dock. Before, I just had to right click on it and choose to hide it, but here it doesn't work, anyone can help me ? thanks in advance
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Flash audio still isn't working at all , on websites and as flv files on the pc . I'm curious if others have the same problem. Seems to me it's more of an alsa problem than flash , since according to the documentation I've read flash links directly to alsa . Is this correct ?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> no pulseaudio installed
[14:15] <u1m0m> anybody?
[14:15] <u1m0m> ... using oneric ocelot here?
[14:17] <u1m0m> is it worth installing?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> depends on your hardware and requirements , are you familiar with beta OS installs and the potential issues ?
[14:19] <jtaylor> hes gone
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yeah, just noticed
[14:21] <BluesKaj> instant gratification ...the lack of patience of a whole generation :)
[14:23] <Ian_Corne> ey!
[14:25] <kriston> Anyone know the status of the X Windows replacement project that Shuttleworth used to talk about a few years ago?
[14:27] <gnomie> !wayland
[14:27] <robin0800> kriston, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[14:28] <kriston> Ahh thanks I forgot the code name.
[14:28] <kriston> I always get a kick out of non-X GUI platforms, like Android and the TiVo.
[14:30] <whelmingbytes> Hi, I have installed 11.10 B2 and am having trouble enabling desktop effects when logging in with Ubuntu Classic. Any help?
[15:09] <bhavesh_> Whenever I login, Unity gets selected as default.. even though I shut down my computer while in GNOME 3
[15:12] <vooze> Hey, just installed 11.10 daily build, and ccsm crashes, and when it dont i cant change anything with the launcher, anyone experienced this? There is reported a bug, but anyone got a workaround?
[15:15] <bhavesh_> how can I enable it by default?
[15:17] <ikonia> vooze: if there is a workaround, it would be in the bug
[15:18] <Volkodav1> I can't get any animations addons to work
[15:21] <hggdh> anyone having problems running dist-upgrade (either via apt, synaptic, update-manager)?
[15:40] <andyvy> anyone running 11.10 beta 2 who didn't like Unity in 11.04? Is it possible to configure and modify that left panel yet? Is Unity more polished now?
[15:44] <Stanley00> andyvy: I dont think so, just a few config you can make
[15:45] <bhavesh_> anyone uses GNOME 3 shell in Ubuntu 11.10?
[15:45] <andyvy> Stanley00: k, thx
[15:45] <Stanley00> andyvy: np ;)
[15:47] <gnomie> andyvy: look up gconf-tools.. not much in there really but you can configure to always hide panel, for example..
[15:48] <gnomie> err, launcher panel
[15:48] <andyvy> gnomie: yeah, I think I tried that one already. I'm just trying to size it all down to a much smaller none-intrusive menu.
[15:49] <andyvy> And I hate how it takes up most of the screen while it's open, I'm not on a touchscreen, mouse is small, I don't need a 300 pixel count icon.
[15:49] <andyvy> I think I'll stick to 10.04 and just try 11.10 in VM for now.
[15:50] <gnomie> take into account unity still isn't configurable and by doing this you might break it
[15:50] <andyvy> yea, and using gnome 2.3 in 11.04 was awkward to say the least, felt slow and bloated.
[15:51] <andyvy> 10.04 sooo quick and simple. love it
[15:51] <gnomie> 11.04 has gnome 2.32.1, works
[15:52] <andyvy> wasn't as snappy for me as 10.04 is, hey will there be an upgrade command to skip 10.10 and 11.04 and go to 11.10 from 10.04?
[15:53] <gnomie> i believe there isn't.. but am not sure
[15:54] <gnomie> bad wording. point is , i don't know
[16:09] <genClone> hi
[16:10] <genClone> I need to format and install a new system, would you recommend to install 11.10 instead of 11.04?
[16:13] <starryalley> anyone finding that gnome-shell 3.2.0 in ubuntu 11.10 doesn't work when loading extensions?
[16:13] <genClone> If i install now the 11.10 version, when I upgrade to the final version in a some days, will I mess something?
[16:14] <starryalley> @genClone: chances are no. i tried this for all the previous versions and nothing happened.
[16:14] <genClone> great :)
[16:15] <genClone> then I will
[16:15] <genClone> I cant wait until 13th... im kind of impatient to leave clean this computer
[16:16] <starryalley> get it right now. it's cool. You will have many upgrades everyday, and then you'll probably find you are in the official version some days later after apt-get upgrade
[16:18] <genClone> I will see if Im finally comfortable using Unity, in 11.04 i turned back to the standard desktop :|
[16:18] <genClone> I cant be such a strange :) I will try to get used to...
[16:19] <Guest26576> it is still very buggy :/
[16:19] <Guest26576> and dual screen is completely useless
[16:19] <vega-> at least with nvidia hardware
[16:20] <genClone> vega-:  why useless?
[16:22] <vega-> genClone: well, it doesn't work :)
[16:23] <genClone> that's odd for a beta2..
[16:24] <gnomie> beta2 livecd wouldn't even run on my pentium4. i give it another shot on the 13th
[16:25] <starryalley> try gnome-shell. it's been stable enough for everyday use, IMO
[16:25] <vega-> genClone: i've always used new ubuntu distros since alpha-something, but this one has been really problematic
[16:26] <vega-> things still keep crashing very frequently
[16:26] <vega-> thus, i'm a bit worried about the quality of the final release..
[16:27] <jtaylor> #2
[16:27] <genClone> i see :|
[16:27] <whelmingbytes> Hi, I have installed 11.10 B2 and am having trouble enabling desktop effects when logging in with Ubuntu Classic. Any help?
[16:27] <whelmingbytes> I have the 173 nvidia driver installed
[16:28] <gnomie> in systems where it doesn't run or it's buggy, sure.. i bet there are machines where it runs just fine , just not over here though  :(
[16:31] <gnomie> whelmingbytes: ubuntu classic is a non-accelerated fallback mode; and secondly, ubuntu classic isn't an option in 11.10
[16:31] <whelmingbytes> i installed gnome-panel
[16:31] <whelmingbytes> it gives me an option for Ubuntu Classic ( and one for Ubuntu Classic no desktop effects) at the login screen
[16:32] <gnomie> plot thickens, i see
[16:34] <gnomie> maybe this gnome-panel you got doesnt have all libraries to run effects under 11.10 , which uses gnome3
[16:35] <whelmingbytes> hm. well all i really want is the old gnome panel with the window snapping like in 11.04. any ideas of how to get that?
[16:36] <whelmingbytes> without going back to 11.04:)
[16:36] <gnomie> touche
[16:36] <whelmingbytes> i love 11.10. are you a dev?
[16:36] <gnomie> no
[16:38] <whelmingbytes> if it helps, gnome-panel installs gnome-session-fallback too
[16:38] <Azelphur> gnome-session-fallback is gnome 3
[16:39] <whelmingbytes> k good. so are desktop effects enabled by default?
[16:43] <saulotoledo> Hello! I'm with gnome 3.2. I cant disable my touchpad in my netbook, synclient TouchpadOff=0 command do not works, somebody know why?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> had to dump mplayer since it was freezing alsa at 48khz data rate , so media with different native rates wouldn't play
[17:22] <c_smith> okay, please direct me to the appropriate channel for this question if I'm in the wrong place. but is the Ipod bug in Amarok fixed in Kubuntu Oneiric? and what exactly caused the Ipod bug in Amarok, a switch to/from Udev?
[17:23] <c_smith> and is that even a bug?
[17:24] <brianl> Anyone having issues with adobe flash on oneiric?
[17:26] <brianl> ??
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, brianl , I can't get flash audio on web content ...flv files on my pc are ok.
[17:26] <brianl> I can't get the adobe flash plugin installed at all....
[17:27] <BluesKaj> brianl, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:28] <brianl> I did, getting error.
[17:28] <brianl> nspluginwrapper: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin
[17:30] <bjsnider> ls -l /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[17:30] <brianl> no such file or directory
[17:31] <brianl> While upgrading from natty, it gave me some errors, maybe it was a corrupted upgrade....
[17:32] <bjsnider> ok, purge flashplugin-installer and reinstall it
[17:32] <brianl> purge?
[17:33] <andyvy> brianl: sudo apt-get purge flash*
[17:33] <brianl> oh okay ;/
[17:33] <andyvy> brianl: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer
[17:33] <andyvy> after you run the first command.
[17:33] <brianl> E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
[17:33] <andyvy> what distro are you in?
[17:33] <c_smith> so, does anyone here know if a kubuntu 11.10 question about amarok should be asked here? it's a question about if a bug in amarok with ipods is fixed.
[17:34] <bjsnider> i think they renamed the nonfree package
[17:34] <brianl> I just skipped nonfree
[17:34] <brianl> that worked.
[17:34] <andyvy> brianl: hmm I'm in 10.04, not sure what it was rennamed to.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> nonfree no longer needed
[17:34] <andyvy> BluesKaj: ah ok thx.
[17:34] <brianl> Java is giving me issues also, hrm
[17:35] <andyvy> brianl: you download ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[17:35] <brianl> i havent done anything just, just upgraded to oneiric
[17:35] <brianl> Ill do it now
[17:36] <BluesKaj> brianl, then install ubuntu-restricted-extras, you'll need it for java and other media codecs etc
[17:37] <c_smith> brianl, I mysekf when installing a beta version do a clean install, meaning burn the iso to a cd or make a bootable flash drive, then install replacing the previous version or side-by-side the previous version.
[17:37] <brianl> c_smith, that is what I should be doing, as in my system had to be formatted and redone when moving to natty....but i was lazy this time ;/
[17:38] <brianl> BluesKaj, ubuntu-restricted-extra's is done ;/
[17:38] <c_smith> ok,
[17:39] <BluesKaj> brianl, for other media like playing drm's dvds checkout medibuntu repos
[17:39] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[17:39] <c_smith> is there a #kubuntu+1 channel I should be asking my Kubuntu 11.10 related question at?
[17:39] <andyvy> !kubuntu c_smith
[17:39] <andyvy> guess not
[17:39] <BluesKaj> no c_smith , you'll just be redirected here
[17:39] <c_smith> ok
[17:40] <c_smith> just making sure I was in the right place.
[17:40] <brianl> thanks
[17:40] <c_smith> I've run into too many times I've asked in the wrong place to not be careful about that.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, we have our share of correction trolls lurking about :)
[17:42] <c_smith> so, onto my question: does anyone know if the Ipod Amarok bug is fixed in 11.10? was that just in KDE 4.6?
[17:42] <c_smith> or whatever KDE version is in Kubuntu 11.04
[17:43] <brianl_> What is Ubuntu 2D?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Is there a bug number for this "bug"?
[17:43] <andyvy> brianl: unity without 3D effects enabled.
[17:43] <brianl_> oh, never seen that before
[17:44] <BluesKaj> c_smith, to see whick kde version, in the terminal :kde4-config --version
[17:46] <c_smith> k, the KDE version is 4.6.2, but the bug in Amarok is where people have to edit the  /lib/udev/rules.d/90_ligpod.rules file on their PC and add a line with info about the Ipod, it mainly affects Ipod Nano 5g.
[17:46] <c_smith> don't know for sure if other Ipods are affected.
[17:47] <c_smith> if I recall correctly it was from switching to or from HAL from/to UDEV.
[17:48] <c_smith> not sure which was to and which was from.
[17:51] <bjsnider> c_smith, #kubuntu-devel
[17:52] <c_smith> k
[17:58] <sianhulo> people, after i made the last update, if i keep inactive just a second, the monitor start going black(like suspending or something like that), it is configured to lock in 30minutes of inactivity and suspend isn't enabled(tough, it suspend after a certain time, guess it is 1hour or so
[18:02] <sianhulo> energy>suspend when inactive for: Don't suspend. screen>shutdown after:never.screen>block screen after: 30 minutes
[18:08] <D_Russ> hello everyone
[18:08] <D_Russ> hello all
[18:11] <D_Russ> okkk
[18:22] <vooze> Hey guys, i have a problem in gnome shell, ubuntu 11.10 daily... please see the screenshot (I have unity like global menu in gnome shell, but its not working, its just "there" looks ugly.. http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/ss149.php#
[18:25] <sianhulo> people, after i made the last update, if i keep inactive just a second, the monitor start going black(like suspending or something like that), it is configured to lock in 30minutes of inactivity and suspend isn't enabled(tough, it suspend after a certain time, guess it is 1hour or so
[18:25] <sianhulo>  energy>suspend when inactive for: Don't suspend. screen>shutdown after:never.screen>block screen after: 30 minutes
[18:26] <sianhulo> vooze, if i were you,ould uninstall
[18:26] <vooze> sianhulo: but there is really nothing i can uninstall, i havent installed any globalmenu or anything, it just looks like it i guess :/
[18:27] <sianhulo> vooze, that's odd, when i installed it broke unity, however besides of that i looked normal
[18:28] <sianhulo> because of that i thought it was a plugin
[18:30] <D_Russ> hello all
[18:30] <D_Russ> so anyone use both .04 and .1?
[18:33] <sianhulo> nope
[18:33] <D_Russ> you on .1?
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> D_Russ: you're sharing homefolders between both versions?
[18:35] <D_Russ> Ian_Corne: was just wondering if anyone has experiece with both and have an opinion on which version is "better". i am using .04 myself, but i find it a bit slow at times.
[18:35] <sianhulo> yeah, i'm on oneiric
[18:36] <D_Russ> how do you like is sianhulo?
[18:36] <sianhulo> D_Russ, wait for the final realese
[18:36] <Ian_Corne> D_Russ: don't go to 11.10  just yet, wait for the final release
[18:36] <Ian_Corne> :D
[18:37] <D_Russ> that is my plan but i would just like some opinions of the beta 2
[18:37] <sianhulo> D_Russ, wright now i have several problems, gnome shell crashed unity(3d), and now(time after installing shell) it is getting blocked is i keep inactive one second
[18:38] <D_Russ> i see
[18:38] <sianhulo> well it doesn't block suddenly, if takes 10 seconds, but if i'm writing, type, it will not, just avoid the screen for blocking
[18:38] <D_Russ> hopefully they have all the bugs sorted by time of release
[18:39] <sianhulo> i hope so, or i will switch back to  debian
[18:39] <D_Russ> not interested in .04 at all?
[18:39] <sianhulo> furthermore it is supending about 1 hour of inactivity(i ain't sure), and the option isn't enabled(i have a desktop, so...)
[18:40] <sianhulo> D_Russ, i tell you i've 128mb vram, 2gb ddr2 and a intel core 2 duo 2.5ghz
[18:40] <sianhulo> and ubuntu 10.10 was a way smoother(and i have almost every effect enabled with compiz xD)
[18:41] <D_Russ> wow
[18:41] <vooze> sianhulo: its weird with this "globalmenu" because when i go into activites (like pressing super) or change to default shell theme, its not there
[18:41] <vooze> otherwise on all other themes it is
[18:42] <D_Russ> you cant disable global menu in 11.1?
[18:42] <sianhulo> that's pretty odd, i had change my theme in shell(when still had it) and globalmenu were't there
[18:42] <jbicha> D_Russ: try uninstalling indicator-appmenu*
[18:43] <sianhulo> people, what's the name of the unity 2d command?
[18:44] <legodude> hi everyone, I think I need to restore grub, when I restart I only get a flashing cursor
[18:44] <sianhulo> btw, i killed gnome scrensaver and(for the moment)it ain't blocking, but i bet i will if i restart
[18:44] <legodude> if I manually select the hard disk in bios, it will boot
[18:45] <sianhulo> legodude, you cannot configure it to alwys start from your hdd?
[18:46] <jbicha> legodude: do you have any USB flash drives plugged in?
[18:46] <legodude> doh
[18:46] <legodude> maybe you guys are right
[18:46] <legodude> thanks
[18:46] <legodude> I thought it was from update to oneric beta
[18:46] <legodude> duh
[18:46] <legodude> thanks again, this is embarassing
[18:46] <sianhulo> now people, someone know it's named unity 2d process?
[18:47] <sianhulo> legodude, happened to me once ;)
[18:50] <sianhulo> so...nobody knows how it's called?
[19:14] <vooze> Hey guys, do all shell themes need to be "re done" to gnome 3.2? Since the text in top bar is a bit off
[19:26] <UbuntuBoer> hallo ... I made a mess with the entire upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10...now my kernel is corrupt and my installation incomplete..I need terminal commands to install new kernel please !!
[19:27] <UbuntuBoer> I am here all on my own--- ek gaan sterf
[19:28] <physically_fit> who wants a new twitter follower? msg me your username and i'll follow you ;)
[19:29] <physically_fit> my upgrade was flawless
[19:30] <UbuntuBoer> Physically _fit nice name for such a eager follower
[19:30] <physically_fit> UbuntuBoer, do you have a twitter account?
[19:30] <UbuntuBoer> anybody any advise on how to fix a broken kernel via the terminal
[19:31] <sianhulo> people, i installed gnome shell, now, when i try to luanch unity, i get this:"Screen geometry changed:
[19:31] <sianhulo>    0x0x1280x720
[19:31] <sianhulo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[19:36] <UbuntuBoer> need help with the istallation of the kernel 3  ,,,please
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> I am facing problem with audio in kubuntu 11.10 beta 2, anyone else?
[19:38] <sianhulo> someone can copy my error, i can switchback to unity 2d so i cant save it
[19:38] <sianhulo> i can't
[19:38] <UbuntuBoer> i can help you
[19:38] <UbuntuBoer> what must i do?
[19:38] <sianhulo> just copy while i restart
[19:38] <sianhulo> Screen geometry changed:
[19:39] <sianhulo>    0x0x1280x720
[19:39] <sianhulo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[19:39] <UbuntuBoer> ok
[19:39] <physically_fit> UbuntuBoer, that's bad karma. that's why your upgrade wasn't flawless like mine.
[19:39] <sianhulo> leaving
[19:39] <UbuntuBoer> weird
[19:42] <sianhulo> i got back
[19:43] <ali1234> yofel: my bug about vertical text alignment in KDE was closed wontfix
[19:43] <UbuntuBoer>  just copy while i restart
[19:43] <UbuntuBoer>  Screen geometry changed:
[19:43] <UbuntuBoer>     0x0x1280x720
[19:43] <UbuntuBoer>  Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[19:43] <yofel> -.-
[19:43] <sianhulo> UbuntuBoer, thank you
[19:43] <yofel> ali1234: which one?
[19:43] <ali1234> yofel: the one you told me to report :)
[19:43] <yofel> bug #? ^^
[19:43] <ali1234> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283106
[19:44] <sianhulo> i have penlty of bugs, choose what you want
[19:44] <UbuntuBoer> sainhulo :)
[19:44] <ali1234> UbuntuBoer: compiz crashing when resizing the screen?
[19:44] <ali1234> sounds like bug 838128
[19:46] <sianhulo> 1. unity3d doesn't start after installing gnome shell(i uninstalled it, still not work). have a problem with screensaver, if i keep i second(i ain't joking)it starts to block(take around 10 seconds but if i'm typing, it wont type nothing at all, it's very annoying)i can deal with it killing gnome-screensaver, but have to doit anytime i reboot.3.the pc suspend after 1hour or so of inactivity(it is supposed to don't do it)
[19:47] <ali1234> UbuntuBoer: that bug might be twinview specific though
[19:48] <yofel> ali1234: If I understand this right Qt internally aligns the text differently from the button frame, if that's the case it's really hard to get any better alignment out of it
[19:48] <ali1234> well that much is obvious :)
[19:48] <ali1234> it must align it differently, or else it would be the same :)
[19:49] <ali1234> i've never seen pure Qt apps do this though
[19:49] <ali1234> it only happens with KDE apps
[19:50] <ali1234> but it still doesn't explain how the icon can be right but the text can be wrong
[19:51] <yofel> well, I don't get how the rendering there works either...
[19:54] <ali1234> UbuntuBoer: if you have oneiric installed you should already have 3.0 kernel...
[19:55] <UbuntuBoer> i was upgrading and had pam face on...with install it went corrupt
[19:55] <UbuntuBoer> i booted in previous now
[19:55] <ali1234> so you upgraded and it crashed part way, and now you booted the broken install with the old kernel?
[19:56] <UbuntuBoer> yip
[19:56] <ali1234> well, it is probably fixable, but backup and reinstall is probably going to be easier
[19:56] <UbuntuBoer> what can i do? aahh isi there no easy way]??
[19:57] <UbuntuBoer> i am sure if I reinstall the kernel i can path the rest with synaptic
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> audo gets stuck when cpu is high in kubuntu
[19:58] <ali1234> you could anyway
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> audio gets stuck when cpu is high in kubuntu
[19:58] <ali1234> there isn't *that* much difference between kernels
[19:59] <ali1234> the real problem with your install is almost certainly not related to kernel version
[19:59] <UbuntuBoer> i want it to be right...is there a terminal command to installl the kernel?
[19:59] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[19:59] <ali1234> or something like that
[19:59] <UbuntuBoer> aha
[19:59] <UbuntuBoer> tx
[19:59] <ali1234> but i wouldn't be at all surprised if that failed hard on a aborted upgrade
[20:00] <UbuntuBoer> Invalid opetation
[20:01] <ali1234> invalid operation? that's worse than i thought
[20:01] <ali1234> or you typoed
[20:03] <UbuntuBoer> let me c
[20:04] <UbuntuBoer> ~# sudo apt-get linux-generic
[20:04] <UbuntuBoer> E: Invalid operation linux-generic
[20:04] <UbuntuBoer> no
[20:11] <fishscene> sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> help
[20:19] <Ian_Corne> UbuntuBoer: what are you doing on a beta when you don't even know apt-get
[20:20] <UbuntuBoer> learning
[20:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Anyone there to help?
[20:23] <UbuntuBoer> just insults going aroung on how little I know....no help
[20:23] <phoenix_firebrd> help
[20:23] <jbicha> !ask | phoenix_firebrd
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> jbicha: i asked the question several times, no one is responding
[20:25] <Pici> phoenix_firebrd: You may need to ask again. just saying 'help' doesn't provide any context for those available to assist.
[20:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici: The sudio gets stuck when the cpu is used at maximum, it sounds like the broken venyl record looping sound
[20:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici: The *audio* gets stuck when the cpu is used at maximum, it sounds like the broken venyl record looping sound
[20:27] <joejoe>  hi i am using ubuntu 11.10 with gnome-shell and the gnome terminal does not respect default settings of "show menubar" option (the option is unchecked, but menubar is visible) see http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/gnome-terminal-menu.png
[20:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici: i like to know if this happens to all or its just my system so that i can file bug report
[20:28] <jbicha> joejoe: that's a known issue with indicator-appmenu
[20:29] <jbicha> you can try removing that if you really don't want the global menu in Unity
[20:29] <joejoe> i am using gnome 3, not unity
[20:29] <ali1234> is there a way to remove my name from the top panel?
[20:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici: are you there?
[20:31] <Pici> phoenix_firebrd: I'm here. But I'm not able to help you. I just wanted to try to help you ask the right questions.
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:32] <Pici> phoenix_firebrd: I'm using xfce.  I have both unity and kde install here though.
[20:33] <Pici> And I use an mpd client on my oneiric machine, it doesn't play any music locally.
[20:33] <smerch> hi all. in ubuntu 11.04 I sometimes use *xrandr --mode 1024x600 --scale 1.2x1.2* command on my netbook to emulate bigger screen just fine; now *xrandr* thing still works, but mouse is caught in a small rectangle area (I assume due to --mode setting) while actual framebuffer is a bit larger, so I can't get the right button (with the wheel) on the top bar with a mouse. question is: which...
[20:33] <smerch> ...package/system is responsible? so I can make a report.
[20:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici:  oh , ok
[20:33] <DaSkreech> I'm using kde but I missed the question phoenix_firebrd asked
[20:33] <DaSkreech> ali1234: I would guess remove it from About User
[20:33] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: Do you have any problem with the audio?
[20:34] <ali1234> um... but i want to have my full name in the environemtn so git commit works properly
[20:34] <ali1234> and a million other programs
[20:34] <ali1234> i just don't want it taking up space on the panel
[20:34] <ali1234> i don't need to see it there all the time
[20:34] <ali1234> there used to be a setting for this
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: The audio gets stuck when the cpu is used at maximum, it sounds like the broken venyl record looping sound
[20:34] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: nope
[20:35] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: I've had that once when Kwin decided to flip my compositing but never again
[20:35] <smerch> anyone? ^
[20:35] <DaSkreech> !patient
[20:35] <DaSkreech> !patience
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: i tried increasing the priority of pulseaudio, but no use
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> evening everyong
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> smerch: there's a way with apt-cache to find which command belongs to which package
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> but I forgot how
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> look in the manpage I guess
[20:36] <ali1234> well, i just accidentally closed all my chat windows because of the stupid close button hiding thing
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> are we all ready for a release party or what?
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> how many bunnies this time?
[20:36] <ali1234> also it's possible to close windows by clicking on the wrong window
[20:37] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: might help to know your average load so there is some comparison
[20:37] <ali1234> if you have window maximized on monitor 2, and you click monitor 1, you click on a secret invisible close button that closes the window on monitor 2
[20:37] <jbicha> dpkg -S can help figure out the source of a given file
[20:37] <ali1234> *if you click monitor 1 where the BFB used to be in natty
[20:37] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: this didn't happen in 11.04, can it be the new kernel, the new cpu scheduler thing
[20:38] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: mine processor is intel  p4 3.0 ghz and the peak load is 85% avg
[20:38] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: It could but then you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[20:38] <DaSkreech> 85% avg?
[20:38] <DaSkreech> wow that's pretty high for a desktop machine
[20:39] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: i mean when i cpu is busy
[20:39] <smerch> Ian_Corne: I'm afraid that this case isn't about *xrandr* but more about Desktop Manager. but I'm not sure. so I came to ask.
[20:39] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: while updating, playing flash files etc
[20:39] <Ian_Corne> the window manager is compiz
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> the desktop env. is gnome, the shell is unity
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> if you're looking for that
[20:41] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: thanks for the support, it seems something is wrong in my installation, i will try solving it
[20:43] <smerch> Ian_Corne: thx. so, I need to check each of them?
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> well, you could report against compiz (which would be my guess) and see if they cna guide you in the right direction should you be wrong
[20:46] <smerch> Ian_Corne: ok. thanks for your time.
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> gn :)
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> yw
[20:47] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: try another kernel version and see if it helps
[20:48] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: to detect the problem or to solve the issue?
[20:49] <DaSkreech> to see if that solves it
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> kernel.org is up? woot
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> FernandoMiguel: really?
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, warty just said so on twitter
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> but my DNS is still old :(
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: DaSkreech: This doesnt happen in 11.04, i am trying to find the problem, so that if this a bug, i could get it fixed it before the release
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> warty9: To head off answering this for everyone individually, if www doesn't point to <IP_ADDRESS>, your dns is stale. Nothing I can do #kernel.org
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> FernandoMiguel: yesterday ubuntu website was offline for a while
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> FernandoMiguel: kernel.org is still under maintanence
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> phoenix_firebrd: read that again
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> it's from warty,
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> the guy in charge of the servers
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> it's back up
[20:53] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: how often does it happen and what version of KDE are you using?
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: kde version = 4.7.1, it happens when the cpu load increases even for a short period , for example it happens when firefox starts
[20:56] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: if you what to know how it sounds, just play some music and then suspend the pulseaudio process
[20:56] <DaSkreech> What processor?
[20:56] <DaSkreech> Dual core?
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: no
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: single core hyperthreding(ht)
[20:58] <DaSkreech> Ah that might be part of it
[20:59] <DaSkreech> phoenix_firebrd: check in #kubutu-devel to see if there is anything they might know about it
[21:00] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: wont it be wrong to disturb them
[21:01] <DaSkreech> :-)
[21:01] <DaSkreech> I think they can stand it
[21:01] <phoenix_firebrd> DaSkreech: ok, i will try my luck
[21:03] <robuciic> upgraded from 11.04 to 10 .. there was flash player plugin installer failure. and now i am not able to install it after upgrade is done as well. what to do?
[21:03] <IdleOne> robuciic: you can use the Sevenmachines PPA for flash 64bit
[21:04] <robuciic> what is it?
[21:04] <IdleOne> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[21:09] <robuciic> http://pastebin.com/RUSEN793 - the output of add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name
[21:09] <robuciic> why?
[21:11] <jtaylor> typo?
[21:13] <robuciic> jtaylor, what do you mean?
[21:13] <jtaylor> typo in the ppa name?
[21:13] <robuciic> problem is anyway
[21:15] <robuciic> sorry, i fixed problem
[21:16] <robuciic> problem was my stupidity
[21:16] <robuciic> lol
[21:16] <jtaylor> thats what I was implying the problem was ;P
[21:18] <alexd285> Hello, does anyone know how we can enable Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R (Record Desktop) on GS on Ubuntu 11.10 ?
[21:25] <robuciic> jtaylor, i now see available packages. PPA is added, what next? how to get one?
[21:26] <jtaylor> install flashplugin64-nonfree I guess
[21:27] <robuciic> well, i cant click on listed
[21:27] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get install flashplugin64-nonfree
[21:29] <robuciic> does not work for me.. i guess i didnt do it till end. maybe smth with signing key
[21:34] <voidr> Hello, I started the upgrade to Oneiric, the lock screen dialog has appeared because I left the machine alone, but it won't let me switch to US keyboard, and my password contains special characters, what should I do?:
[21:34] <IdleOne> robuciic: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install flashplugin64-nonfree
[21:34] <robuciic> E: Unable to locate package flashplugin64-nonfree IdleOne
[21:37] <robuciic> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 35DA01C261E46227
[21:37] <robuciic> IdleOne, this is output of update (ending)
[21:38] <IdleOne> !gpgerror
[21:38] <IdleOne> hmm
[21:38] <robuciic> so.. where to change it
[21:38] <robuciic> pubkey
[21:38] <IdleOne> !gpgerr
[21:39] <IdleOne> sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 61E46227
[21:43] <robuciic> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[21:43] <IdleOne> Did the package install?
[21:43] <robuciic> no
[21:44] <IdleOne> don't know what to tell you
[21:44] <robuciic> i mean.. yes, but E: Unable to locate package flashplugin64-nonfree
[21:45] <voidr> okay, is there a way to switch keyboard language during upgrade, or I'm screwed because I did not anticipate that the installer would disable this just to screw me over?
[21:49] <robuciic> what the fu** !? why even it doesnt work???\
[21:54] <robuciic> why there is problem with this key? IdleOne
[21:54] <IdleOne> I don't know
[21:55] <robuciic> ofcourse you don't
[21:57] <robuciic> why it doest not change keys?
[22:01] <junior>  quick question for anyone who knows. I want to stream line my kernel in 11.10 Beta 2, and need to know how I can get ther kernel source considering kernel.org is down for extended "maintenance"
[22:01] <lenios> junior, do you want upstream kernel or ubuntu kernel?
[22:02] <junior> whats the difference if i may ask?
[22:03] <junior> I'm basically looking to remove options within i don't obviously need
[22:03] <robuciic> well.. you should ask for someone who knows
[22:04] <sianhulo> unity3d doesn't launch after installing gnome shell http://pastebin.com/pgVa0qWd
[22:06] <junior> @lenios an ubuntu kernel would be fine.
[22:06] <lenios> junior, well, you can get the latest sources with "dget -u -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-meta_<IP_ADDRESS>.13.dsc"
[22:09] <darkphader> help unuity launcher has disappeared !
[22:09] <darkphader> unity launcher missing for one user
[22:28] <graft> hey, anyone know how to clear recent documents in unity?
[22:36] <ali1234> graft: yeah, add the zeitgeist ppa and install the activity log manager
[22:36] <graft> i'm checking out the activity journal
[22:36] <ali1234> i have no idea why that thing isn't in the repos, but it should be
[22:36] <ali1234> you don't want the gnome one
[22:36] <ali1234> you want the one done by zeitgeist developers, it is much better
[22:36] <graft> okay
[22:36] <ali1234> lemme find blog post about it
[22:36] <graft> the gnome one appears to mostly just hang...
[22:36] <ali1234> oh yeah it does
[22:37] <ali1234> you have to reboot before it can access the zeitgeist db (same for the other one too i think)
[22:37] <graft> aha
[22:37] <vadi3> How can I enable the LightDM login screen - it's using the old style for me, even though I've been doing all the updates.
[22:37] <ali1234> graft: http://iloveubuntu.net/activity-log-manager-08-handy-gui-blacklisting-zeitgeists-activity-released-ppa
[22:40] <ali1234> btw, you don't have to update anything from that ppa, in fact i don't think it even has any newer versions than what is in the repos
[22:40] <ali1234> you only need to install activity-log-manager, then you can disable it if you want
[22:41] <graft> ok brb
[22:42] <sianhulo> somebody can help with one of these?  1. unity3d doesn't start after installing gnome shell(i uninstalled it, still not work). have a problem with screensaver, if i keep i second(i ain't joking)it starts to block(take around 10 seconds but if i'm typing, it wont type nothing at all, it's very annoying)i can deal with it killing gnome-screensaver, but have to doit anytime i reboot.3.the pc suspend after 1hour or so of inactivity(it is supposed to don't d
[22:42] <sianhulo> o it)
[22:43] <ali1234> sianhulo: if you set the screen saver to "never" it activates instantly
[22:43] <sianhulo> what?why?tell that is an error
[22:43] <ali1234> it's a bug
[22:44] <ali1234> the third problem (PC suspends even if it is disabled) is also a bug
[22:44] <sianhulo> hmmm, btw, there is a way to change it?
[22:44] <ali1234> well you can set it to one hour
[22:44] <sianhulo> no no, to change the screensaver
[22:44] <ali1234> what do you mean?
[22:44] <sianhulo> the image/video who saves the screen
[22:45] <ali1234> yes i know what a screensaver is
[22:45] <ali1234> why do you want to change it? is this an unrelated question to the others?
[22:45] <sianhulo> yep, it is, previous versions had some screensavers and you could choice
[22:45] <sianhulo> but now i cannot see the option
[22:46] <ali1234> yeah apparently that was removed
[22:46] <sianhulo> what a mess
[22:46] <ali1234> yeah.
[22:46] <sianhulo> i wanted to put the nintendo 64 dd opening xD
[22:46] <sianhulo> or the bsod image
[22:46] <ali1234> i guess xscreensaver has some new ones i'm not familiar with
[22:46] <ali1234> well
[22:47] <ali1234> you can install the full xscreensaver package, which hasa config tool
[22:47] <sianhulo> :O, thanks ali1234
[22:47] <sianhulo> will search
[22:47] <ali1234> beware that a lot of those savers can cause crashes
[22:47] <ali1234> a lot of them don't play nice with compositing desktops
[22:48] <sianhulo> hmm
[22:48] <ali1234> also driver dependent
[22:48] <ali1234> the joys of hardware accelerated everything :(
[22:48] <sianhulo> i have an intel, to have decent ones i had to take risks
[22:49] <sianhulo> had to take the newest and unstable drivers
[22:49] <ali1234> well nvidia isn't much better
[22:50] <ali1234> anyway many of them are ok. the old gnome ones were just taken from xscreensaver
[22:51] <sianhulo> ali1234, i had and geforce 9500gt(it ain't working anymore) and it had well drivers
[22:51] <ali1234> i think the unsafe ones are actually in a seperate package
[22:51] <sianhulo> i almost cried with my intel xD
[22:51] <sianhulo> I added an intel ppa
[23:03] <alex_mayorga> any HDMI gurus around here?
[23:03] <ali1234> maybe. just ask the question...
[23:06] <alex_mayorga> my Samsung 32" is reported as Samsung electric company 7" and even if it's detected on "Displays" I can't get video into it
[23:06] <alex_mayorga> seems to be similar to the issue reported at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1670004
[23:06] <ali1234> what graphics card?
[23:07] <ali1234> that does sound very similar
[23:07] <alex_mayorga> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 230M] (rev a2)
[23:08] <ali1234> so, as you may know, HDMI being digital does monitor identification over the digital link
[23:08] <ali1234> so this is almost certainly a bug in the graphics driver, video card hardware, or the TV/monitor hardware
[23:09] <ali1234> and if you are using nvidia binary driver, all three are going to be extremely hard to fix
[23:09] <alex_mayorga> ali1234: what should be the ubuntu-bug call I need to do to report this?
[23:09] <ali1234> i dunno. can you pastebin your /var/log/xorg.0.log ?
[23:09] <alex_mayorga> ali1234: I'm using open source driver nouveau as far as I know
[23:10] <ali1234> ok good. there's actually a chance to get it fixed in that case
[23:10] <ali1234> i'd still like to see the log though
[23:10] <alex_mayorga> ali1234: /var/log/xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
[23:10] <ali1234> Xorg.0.log then
[23:12] <ali1234> it's also possible that the 7" thing is just a red herring and all the sammys ID themselves the same way
[23:12] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: how did we disable nvidia optimus cards to just keep internal?
[23:13] <alex_mayorga> ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/701977/ thanks on looking
[23:14] <ali1234> alex_mayorga: those detected modelines look reasonable
[23:15] <ali1234> 1280x720, 720x480
[23:15] <ali1234> that's HD 720p and SD NTSC respectively
[23:15] <ali1234> makes sense for a TV
[23:15] <ali1234> it is a TV right?
[23:15] <alex_mayorga> now it's even worse, TV says there's nothing plugged on HDMI :(
[23:16] <ali1234> well then the output is disabled
[23:16] <ali1234> i see later on some weird EDID stuff
[23:16] <ali1234> and it reads 1080i mode as well
[23:17] <ali1234> i guess report this against nouveau and see what they say
[23:17] <alex_mayorga> ali1234: how?
[23:17] <ali1234> ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[23:17] <ali1234> (probably)
[23:17] <ali1234> test with nvidia driver too if you can
[23:18] <ali1234> although tbh it looks like nouveau is working correctly
[23:19] <ali1234> they should know which package to reassign it to anyway
[23:19] <ali1234> if it's not a nouveau bug
[23:19] <ali1234> make sure to explain in detail what you are trying to do, and at what point it fails to work like you expect
[23:19] <alex_mayorga> ali1234: thanks! I'm reporting it with the command you've provided
[23:20] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, it would be done in the bios, if there is such an option
[23:20] <FernandoMiguel> ahh
[23:20] <FernandoMiguel> there isn't
[23:20] <FernandoMiguel> thanks
[23:20] <FernandoMiguel> heard the guys on fedora were working on something for it
[23:20] <bjsnider> that sucks
[23:21] <johnjohn101> ok, i like unity and all but why do windows sometimes disappear and no way to get them back.  banshee is one such app
[23:21] <bjsnider> gotta be careful buying those laptops
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> bug 865782 FWIW
[23:23] <Roasted> man
[23:23] <Roasted> printing is strange in 11.10
[23:24] <Roasted> how in the world can I hook up a printer lpd? It has like... no configurable options...
[23:30] <ali1234> alex_mayorga: you need to give more detail on the bug report than that
[23:30] <ali1234> eg whats your primary monitor? laptop? or monitor on vga? etc
[23:31] <ali1234> what procedure are you using to enable the HDMI?
[23:31] <ali1234> have you tried with xrandr command line? does it work with nvidia binary driver?
[23:40] <coz_> who has compiz running on 11.10?  would you mind telling me which  plugins dont have their own icons yet?
[23:40] <coz_> in ccsm
[23:48] <Roasted> why does 11.10 have so few printer options?
[23:49] <Roasted> I can't even figure out if my lasrejet is found via lpd or what
[23:55] <ali1234> i just noticed that you can configure the apps on the first page of the dash
[23:55] <ali1234> that's cool
[23:55] <ali1234> you can't completely configure them
[23:55] <ali1234> but you can pick a different browser/mail/music player
[23:55] <ali1234> which is good enough for me
[23:58] <Roasted> is printing broken in 11.10?
[23:58] <Roasted> does anybody know?


[07:53] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[08:41] <_KaszpiR_> SupaYoshi better update your app
[08:41] <_KaszpiR_> 5.4 is ancient
[09:01] <SupaYoshi> anyone know how to connect to a kvm with vnc, running on a server without gui from windows?
[09:01] <SupaYoshi> Im reading vnc over ssh but not sure
[09:02] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24792172/
[10:45] <tomreyn> SupaYoshi: yes, a vnc client tunnelling through SSH should work
[10:46] <tomreyn> if the VM runs a non-graphical OS, you may prefer to add a serial console to that VM, and connect to that via ssh
[14:32] <Tahvok> Is there any plans to update keystone packages to 11.0.1 on xenial? There is a bug that has been fixed in .1 release, that is currenctly a blocker for us to update to ocata.
[14:33] <Tahvok> coreycb: perhaps some mainteiner can help?
[14:40] <coreycb> Tahvok: hi, yes we'll be getting the latest ocata point releases done soon
[14:41] <Tahvok> coreycb: thank you for your answer! We will wait patiently.
[14:46] <coreycb> Tahvok: no problem, we'll track the latest ocata point releases with bug 1696138
[14:52] <Tahvok> coreycb: do you cherry pick fixes, or you just take the latest revision?
[14:52] <Tahvok> I'm mostly interested in the following fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1662762
[14:52] <Tahvok> Currently none of our authentication work under ocata, as we are mostly using ldap for authentication
[14:52] <coreycb> Tahvok: if a fix is not in an upstream point release yet, then we can cherry pick it
[14:53] <Tahvok> It was fixed in 11.0.1
[14:53] <Tahvok> Why does bug 1696138 says 'Newton'?
[14:54] <coreycb> Tahvok: it doesn't ;)
[14:54] <coreycb> Tahvok: just changed that, thanks. just a typo.
[14:58] <jamespage> coreycb, Tahvok: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron-fwaas/+bug/1696139
[14:58] <jamespage> June updates for ocata
[14:58] <jamespage> just raised that - will start soon on updates
[14:59] <coreycb> jamespage: ah ok, marking this other bug as a dup then
[14:59] <Tahvok> jamespage: zetsy?
[14:59] <jamespage> yes
[14:59] <Tahvok> What about xenial?
[14:59] <jamespage> zesty and Ocata UCA for Xenial
[14:59] <jamespage> one feeds the other
[14:59] <Tahvok> Oh, ok
[15:00] <jamespage> Tahvok: if you want something sooner
[15:00] <jamespage> ppa:openstack-ubuntu-testing/ocata
[15:00] <jamespage> has tip of the stable/ocata branch for keystone built in it
[15:00] <Tahvok> I'll take a note. I can wait for now though :)
[15:50] <teward> server team meeting today or no?
[15:51] <nacc> teward: yep, in a bit, i think
[16:12] <teward> nacc: who do i have to bother for access to the trello board
[16:13] <ahasenack> teward: https://trello.com/b/U9HhWyT0/ubuntu-server-daily this one?
[16:13] <teward> yup
[16:13] <ahasenack> teward: I tried with an incognito logged out browser, I could see it
[16:14] <teward> ahasenack: i mean edit/revise access not 'see it" access
[16:14] <teward> since it's a public board :p
[16:14] <ahasenack> teward: ah
[16:14] <ahasenack> teward: what's your trello handle?
[16:15] <teward> ahasenack: *apparently* it's thomasward13 but teward AT ubuntu DOT com for an email search if you need it
[16:15] <ahasenack> teward: I think an email is fine
[16:15] <ahasenack> ok
[16:15] <ahasenack> teward: done
[16:15] <ahasenack> teward: verify please?
[16:15] <teward> standby
[16:15] <teward> yep i have access thank you kindly :)
[16:15] <ahasenack> cheers
[16:16] <teward> ahhh i see it has teward on there too, that's something I don't have access to anymore xD
[16:17] <ahasenack> teward: sorry, I didn't follow, did we add the wrong teward? :)
[16:17] <teward> ahasenack: well i have two accounts apparently
[16:17] <teward> one's tied to a Google logon that I stopped using
[16:17] <teward> and one's tied to my @ubuntu.com address :)
[16:17] <teward> both me, but only one is usable.
[16:18] <ahasenack> ok, removing the non-13 one
[16:18] <teward> ahasenack: thanks :)
[17:20] <hashwagon> Question about Ubuntu 16.04 preceed install: My install is hanging on "The installer has detected the following disks have mounted partitions: /dev/sda - Unmount partitions that are in use?" I'm not seeing anything useful so far online.  Has anyone ran into this?
[17:24] <ivoks> is it possible that there's a swap partition on that disk?
[17:27] <nacc> hashwagon: if you drop to a shell (tty2 or from the main menu, iirc), can you see if it is actually mounted?
[17:33] <hashwagon> Ctrl+Alt+F2'd at the begining of the install is there an alternative for lsblk -f? blkid doesn't show mount points
[17:38] <hashwagon> cat /proc/mounts shows /dev/sda /media and /dev/sdb/cdrom
[17:39] <hashwagon> * /dev/sdb /cdrom
[17:43] <hashwagon> Okay I think I finally got it. I'll update here with the line I had to add.
[17:57] <hashwagon> Adding this to my preceed resolved my issue: d-i preseed/early_command string umount /media
[17:57] <robodep> hi all
[17:58] <robodep> I don't have fdisk available to me in the installer.  how do you install this?
[17:58] <robodep> or parted
[18:01] <tarpman> robodep: anna install parted-udeb
[18:01] <robodep> thank you!
[18:01] <tarpman> or fdisk-udeb
[18:14] <disposable> i decided to give btrfs a try and installed it as root fs. it created a subvolume for /home directory. how do i delete that subvolume? i want /home to be on nfs. i've tried 'btrfs subvolume delete /home' but all i get is ERROR: cannot delete '//home': Invalid argument
[18:19] <sarnold> disposable: guessing, don't use the leading /
[18:20] <disposable> sarnold: same error
[18:20] <disposable> i've tried /home, @home and /@home
[18:20] <sarnold> but "home" failed?
[18:21] <disposable> sarnold: yes, home and /home return the same thing
[18:21] <sarnold> disposable: bummer :/
[22:29] <grendal_pure> good god what a nightmare
[22:30] <grendal_pure> ok question, i have this piece of equipment that i connect to with via a customized serial cable of some sort.
[22:31] <grendal_pure> the stupid client software to connect to this device runs on windows.  It did work with wine for some time..then decided to stop working.
[22:32] <grendal_pure> there has to be a way to telnet to this thing.
[22:32] <grendal_pure> company is clueless they say that job was outsoursed and they are only familiar with the finshed working program.


[02:38] <phillw> kanliot: Hiyas Karl, hope life is okay
[02:42] <bono> Hiii anybody can help me?
[15:01] <ggg4444> can someone help me with my void 11 problem?


[07:52] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: are we landing any more branch on the overlay? or first doing the branch killing?
[07:52] <tsdgeos> because we're starting to stockpile again :D
[07:53] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, next ones will go to trunk again... let me check if the one that sync landed by now
[07:53] <mzanetti> it was QA'd last night
[07:54] <mzanetti> oh dear... hangs in proposed somewher
[07:57] <tsdgeos> :A
[08:07] <mzanetti> I fail to understand those adt logs
[08:08] <mzanetti> seems to fail for qtmir and unity8
[08:08] <mzanetti> bootest says it can't do some apparmor things, whatever that means...
[09:38] <Mirv> Trevinho is great at spamming my bug folder :D
[09:39] <Trevinho> Mirv: yeah, I had to fire my script to keep things in sync
[09:39] <Trevinho> Mirv: and.... Well I didn't do that for compiz (yet) as there was 2600 bugs to fix... and it wasn't the case :)
[09:40] <Mirv> :)
[13:39] <mzanetti> dandrader, there's a test failure in that silo 27: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/216844866/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.qtmir_0.4.6%2B15.10.20150910-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:41] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok
[13:42] <mzanetti> let me know when to re-kick the build
[13:43] <dandrader> mzanetti, can you remove https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/multimonitor/+merge/269906 from that silo?
[13:43] <dandrader> mzanetti, so that we can land the critical bug fix it contains
[13:45] <dandrader> mzanetti, and I guess it wouldn't hurt to add those qtubuntu ones as well: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/noQtSensors-lp1481389/+merge/267198 and https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/provideMirConnection/+merge/269320
[13:46] <dandrader> they're pretty harmless
[13:56] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ah, so it's because it's empty ("")?
[13:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yep
[13:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, right... makes sense. approved
[14:13] <mzanetti> dandrader, silo building, including those qtubuntu branches
[14:13] <dandrader> mzanetti, thanks!
[14:14] <mzanetti> oops. missed the one to remove
[14:14] <mzanetti> will redo
[15:10] <tsdgeos> hate it when this happens
[15:10] <tsdgeos> call deleteLater on an objcet and doesn't get deleted
[15:10] <tsdgeos> :'(
[15:21] <tsdgeos> found out why!
[15:23] <tsdgeos> need to be careful when reimplementing ::event
[16:34] <dandrader> mzanetti, what's the next step for silo 027?
[17:32] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, you walk through the branches in there and verify that the linked bugs are fixed and the promised features are working.
[17:32] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, then you walk through the testplans: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/QtMir
[17:33] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, can't find one for QtUbuntu. Make sure related functionality isn't broken
[17:34] <mzanetti> when you're happy with the results, go here and leave a comment that you've tested it and on what device/image: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/328
[17:34] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, for example, like this: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/285
[17:35] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, test at least on rc-proposed, if things could be different for wily, test both
[18:26] <kgunn> mzanetti: i don't mind helping to test silo27, that's multimonitor right ?
[19:23] <slangasek> mzanetti: hi, kgunn pointed me your way regarding this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1278780/comments/8
[19:28] <dandrader> mzanetti should be past his EOD by now
[19:31] <slangasek> dandrader: I imagine so; IRC is a decent messaging service though :)
[19:36] <kgunn> and he's known to have the problem of not being able to stay away
[19:39] <dandrader> slangasek, problem is, he will be back only next Tuesday :(
[19:39] <dandrader> kgunn, and there's that as well :)
[19:43] <kgunn> ah dang...forgot he was taking some days
[19:43] <kgunn> slangasek: what is your idea btw
[19:50] <slangasek> kgunn: so the basic idea is, can we make the crash handler faster for critical components (such as the system compositor or unity8 shell) by having those programs register a custom SIGSEGV handler that unmaps video buffers (for example) and re-raises
[19:51] <slangasek> kgunn: I don't know if this is safe to do from inside a signal handler, it depends on how the mapping/unmapping is handled; and I don't know if the video memory is a large enough part of the process's address space to make a difference
[19:51] <slangasek> but I thought it was an idea worth exploring
[19:52] <kgunn> yeah, the video memory might be the booger
[19:52] <slangasek> because ultimately, the kind of behavior we've heard described - UI locking up for a minute while the crash handler runs - does sound like it's taking an unreasonably long time for what it /ought/ to be doing
[20:42] <pmcgowan> kgunn, I just got https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1491566
[20:42] <pmcgowan> added the logs, its still in the stuck state
[20:42] <pmcgowan> dandrader|afk, ^
[21:12] <dandrader> pmcgowan, still have the device in that state?
[21:14] <dandrader> pmcgowan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1491566/comments/26
[21:16] <dandrader> so unity8.log shows a log of input events but I can't tell whether those events are *all* from before unity8 became unresponsive or not. What I want to know there is whether it still logs input events *after* it becomes unresponsive
[21:17] <dandrader> I didn't realize that when I posted the original instructions. Rectified it only in comment #26
[21:18] <dandrader> same goes for unity-system-compositor.log
[21:19] <pmcgowan> dandrader, there was nothing logged after the system froze
[21:19] <pmcgowan> also see stack trace I added
[21:19] <pmcgowan> I just restarted lightdm a few mins ago
[21:19] <dandrader> oh :(
[21:19] <pmcgowan> well wanted to get my messages :(
[21:20] <pmcgowan> dandrader, touching the screen I see the touch driver but nothing else get active
[21:20] <dandrader> alf is the one intereseted in the stack  traces. but I can tell they're not all that interesting as you didn't have debug symbols
[21:21] <dandrader> pmcgowan, what do you mean by "I see the touch driver"?
[21:22] <pmcgowan> dandrader, a process called mtk-tpd
[21:22] <dandrader> pmcgowan. so no new messages came to unity8.log or unity-system-compositor.log when you touched the screen while the device was unresponsive?'
[21:23] <pmcgowan> dandrader, correct, if I tail the logs nothing new
[21:23] <dandrader> pmcgowan, that's a very important bit of info, it's worth commenting that in the bug report
[21:23] <pmcgowan> will do
[21:33] <dandrader> bregma, do you recall what tool we can use to monitor events coming out of evedev files?
[21:39] <dandrader> evemu-tools