[01:16] <zul> is ebox going to be added for hardy?
[01:17] <kgoetz> someones planning to
[01:24] <nealmcb> zul I thought a bit of it was already in gutsy, with lots more to come
[01:24] <zul> nealmcb: ah
[01:34] <nilson> Hi
[01:35] <nilson> I run the NFS server on my machine. Apparently the default install does not include rpc.ugidd, which I want to use to map GID/UIDs across my client systems
[01:36] <nilson> What would be the best way to get it? Will I need to manually configure and compile the nfs server
[01:44] <jnc> nealmcb: Yes, I have to configure ACPI as disabled in BIOS, -or- alternatively I can boot the kernel with acpi=off option
[01:45] <jnc> both are functionally the same result meaning if I don't do either one, then there's a kernel panic, and if I do one or both of those there is no kernel panic and everything is working as it should
[01:46] <jnc> zul: I've updated the community Xen document
[01:46] <jnc> (wiki)
[01:50] <kjcole> Hi.  I've upgraded to Gutsy and once again my LVM stuff is dead.   Help.
[01:53] <kjcole> Though I'm not running a server, this channel is supposedly more knowledgeable about LVM.
[02:11] <jnc> Unfortunately we cannot overcome the limitations of your not being connected to hear the answer
[02:12] <kgoetz> lol
[02:12] <jnc> or...
[02:12] <jnc> So, you feel that your LVM stuff is dead, do you?
[02:13] <jnc> Ah... and you think this is a reoccurring experience! This is very interesting.
[02:14] <kgoetz> hehehe. bloody emacs users
[02:15] <ajmitch> wash your mouth out
[02:18] <kgoetz> ??
[02:23] <ajmitch> cursing emacs users
[02:24] <kgoetz> oh right.
[04:09] <scotth> easy question that I thought I knew the answer to but apparently not, how do I set the hostname on an ubuntu system, including the fqdn?
[04:10] <scotth> I would like hostname to return 'foo' and hostname -f to return 'foo.example.com'
[04:12] <scotth> apache keeps saying its unable to determine its own hostname
[04:12] <scotth> and the reverse dns points to foo.example.com
[04:14] <nealmcb> scotth: yeah - a surprisingly complicated question.
[04:15] <scotth> I feel like an old tymer, but back in my day all you had to edit was /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[04:16] <nealmcb> those two are usually involved, for sure.  exactly what does apache say?
[04:16] <nealmcb> and do other things work?
[04:16] <nilson> what does `hostname` return
[04:18] <sommer> scotth: the way I make that apache error go away is to set the ServerName directive in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or in the sites-available/default config file.
[04:18] <nilson> scott run hostname --fqd see what it returns
[04:18] <scotth> sommer: I set ServerName in the sites-avaliable
[04:18] <nilson> and make sure /etc/init.d/hostname.sh is started
[04:19] <jnc> scotth: there was a change to /etc/hosts with recent Ubuntu releases which may affect you, it involves changing <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> for the hostname
[04:19] <sommer> mmmMMM... might also add ServerName localhost to apache2.conf
[04:19] <scotth> nilson: it returns outkast
[04:20] <nilson> even with the --fqd option?
[04:20] <scotth> nilson: yes
[04:20] <nilson> looks like your server doesn't know its domain
[04:20] <scotth> jnc: my entry is still <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:21] <scotth> nilson: I have domain set in /etc/resolv.conf
[04:22] <nilson> hm
[04:23] <scotth> its a pretty old install that I believe started with dapper and is now at gutsy
[04:24]  * ScottK wonders if Bug #8980 might be relevant.
[04:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8980 in netcfg "hostname -f does not return a proper FQDN" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8980
[04:26] <scotth> ScottK: that got it, reordering to outkast.sjhserv.net outkast got the fqdn working
[04:26] <scotth> thanks, odd little behavior
[04:27] <nilson> scotth: in hosts?
[04:27] <scotth> yup
[04:27] <nilson> Yeah mine's set up that way. I saw that it says <IP_ADDRESS> now too, which I found odd
[04:27] <nilson> I thoght it was a mistake..
[04:27] <scotth> though apache is now using <IP_ADDRESS> as my hostname
[04:28] <scotth> but doing the <IP_ADDRESS> thing fixes that
[04:28] <scotth> way weird
[04:29] <nilson> jnc whats the reason for that switch
[04:32] <kgoetz> tec/hostname should just be the alias (eg kgoetz), /etc/hosts should have (eg) kgoetz.id.au then kgoetz
[04:32] <kgoetz> iirc
[05:00] <highX|Humpy> Hi, I'm looking for help installing Ubuntu 7.10 onto RAID 0
[05:43] <nownott> hey ubuntu folks couldnt help me. i want to edit iptables for http, ftp, ssh, and vpn <- if anyone knows how do do vpn. any help?
[05:44] <kgoetz> can you be more specific in your qeustio? ;)
[05:44] <kgoetz> eg what aobut iptables do you need to edit?
[05:45] <kgoetz> why do you need to?
[05:45] <nownott> need to b/c they are wide open right now. and i need to set them up
[05:45] <kgoetz> set them up to do what?
[05:46] <nownott> i want to shut all ports besides 80, 21, 22 , 1194, and enable what i need to for vpn
[05:47] <kgoetz> use this as an example:
[05:47] <kgoetz> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT
[05:48] <kgoetz> that accepts all packges on interface eth0 goin to port 443
[05:48] <kgoetz> and if your opening ssh to teh world, look at this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187
[05:49] <kgoetz> also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23, if this is a gatway
[05:50] <nownott> so the 443 is for https, the first link is for ssh, i can do 21 from the example you gave me for https. you know anything about the vpn world?
[05:50] <jnc> nownott: easier solution is get another computer and run Smoothwall distro on it
[05:50] <jnc> click that junk with a mouse.
[05:51] <nownott> jnc: thanks but id really like to get this working
[05:54] <kgoetz> nownott: look at openvpn
[05:54] <kgoetz> jnc: a (dedicated) gateway might be overkill for his purpose
[05:59] <nownott> kgoetz: i have openvpn installed and configed. i cant get traffic to get fowarded believe it was the way i have iptables/firewall setup
[06:00] <nownott> i can connect to it just fine just no packet fowarding
[06:01] <kgoetz> nownott: openvpn? tried looking at the logs? asked #openvpn?
[06:01] <nownott> openvpn was no help what so ever, and logs no havent checked there
[06:01] <kgoetz> you mmight need to turn up the loggin, perhaps rrun the daemon in the forground
[06:14] <nownott> kgoetz: i enterd the first rule you gave me for https but it had no effect on my firewall
[06:15] <kgoetz> nownott: looked at the links i gave you?
[06:16] <nownott> yes
[06:17] <kgoetz> setup your firewall like the gateway guide says? (with port forwarding if its a gatway)?
[06:18] <nownott> didnt read that one b/c its not a gateway
[06:18] <kgoetz> it will probably have rules you need
[06:18] <kgoetz> but i just realised i didnt ask - how did you test 'no effect' with your firewall?
[06:19] <nownott> no effect?
[06:20] <kgoetz> 14:44 < nownott> kgoetz: i enterd the first rule you gave me for https but it had no effect on my firewall
[06:20] <kgoetz> how did you check that?
[06:20] <nownott> sudo iptables -L -v
[06:29] <nownott> well i ended up doing them like this iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT
[06:30] <kgoetz> SSH is a tcp based protocol
[06:30] <kgoetz> iirc
[06:30] <nownott> well hmm when i saved i see the prerouting that you dold me to put in there
[06:30] <kgoetz> vpn will be udp
[06:30] <nownott> i have my vpn to use tcp instead
[06:31] <nownott> what is prerouting
[06:32] <kgoetz> you should read the iptables readme files
[06:32] <kgoetz>  /usr/share/doc/iptables/
[06:32] <kgoetz> rustys explanatio of prerout/postrout etc will be better then mine ;)
[06:33] <nownott> so do you know about the vpn stuff i need to foward etc. the tun etc
[06:33] <kgoetz> if its a vpn server, you need to allow in the port listed in the vpn config file, if its a client dong worry
[06:33] <kgoetz> *dont
[06:34] <nownott> ya i can connect but like i said i believe it was the port fowarding that was getting me
[06:34] <kgoetz> i doubt it tbh. more likely to be your routs/dns are broken
[06:35] <kgoetz> but until you check out the logs and or turn up debug, who knows
[06:46] <nownott> kgoetz: you have amin to look at my iptables?
[06:47] <kgoetz> nownott: not atm, i'm at work :)
[07:55] <kraut> moin
[08:26] <RealMurphy> Hi, i have a brief question about cowbuilder: Is it really possible to build 32bit stuff with it in a 64bit environment?
[08:26] <RealMurphy> I tried many variations of arch=i386 in many places and it always goes back to amd64 packages
[08:26] <soren> cowbuilder is a variant of pbuilder, right?
[08:27] <soren> Yes, it seems so.
[08:27] <soren> RealMurphy: What you need to do is to make sure that the chroot is created as an i386 chroot.
[08:28] <soren> This is usually achieved by passing --arch i386 to debootstrap.
[08:28] <soren> Due to the way pbuilder accepts options, you need to pass --debootstrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts i386  to pbuilder.
[08:28] <soren> RealMurphy: ...but these questions are actually more suitable for #ubuntu-motu. :)
[08:32] <RealMurphy> yes, sorry, was distracted
[08:33] <RealMurphy> ok, thanks alot - I was mostly overwhelmed by the number of channels available :)
[08:33] <RealMurphy> soren: I havent used that way to use mutliple  --debootstrapopts, i'll try that or go to greyskull
[08:34] <soren> RealMurphy: :)
[08:42] <RealMurphy> soren: You hit the problem right on its head and it gone now. Thanks a lot :)
[08:42] <soren> np :)
[12:43] <stork> how can i find out what version i'm running ?
[12:59] <zul_> stork: cat /etc/issue
[13:00] <stork> cheers
[13:00] <stork> is it possible to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.10 without doing a clean install ?
[13:04] <soren> stork: Skipping a release is not support. You need to do 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10.
[13:05] <soren> "supported", I mean.
[13:07] <zul_> soren: or you could whipe everything clean and just install 7.10
[13:07] <soren> or poke your eye out with a rusty fork..
[13:07] <zul> or you could do that but thats the easy way out
[13:09] <soren> Indeed.
[13:10] <ScottK> For some definition of possible that goes well into really painful and you probably don't want to do it, yes.  It's possible.
[15:38] <penguim> @schedule Bahia
[15:38] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Bahia: 23 Oct 12:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 13:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 13:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 12:00: Community Development Team
[15:46] <nealmcb> server team meeting in 15 minutes, #ubuntu-meeting - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[17:08] <pteague_work> what do i need to do to get apache to stop complaining about not being able to reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name?  i'm guessing i need to set something up with hostname ?
[17:09] <sommer> pteague_work: try setting "ServerName localhost" in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[17:20] <pteague_work> sommer> cool, thanks... i wasn't sure but what it was a hostname issue in the linux setup
[17:21] <sommer> np
[17:21] <Guiri> Hello
[17:22] <Guiri> I'm on a Gutsy lamp server. I tried to install fluxbox but when I run startx I get an error about the font directory
[17:22] <Guiri> I've ran fc-cache and dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[17:24] <sommer> Guiri: you'll probably also need to install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg... if they aren't already
[17:24] <Guiri> thanks. let me check
[17:25] <Guiri> I was missing the core, which is conveniently install the 75 and 100 fonts packages
[17:25] <Guiri> Thanks
[17:26] <sommer> np
[17:28] <Guiri> Now it errors with no devices detected. I thought I set the 'intel' driver in xorg. But the vesa throws the same error.
[19:43] <Fenix|work> greetings... how do I go about adding framebuffer to my server install?
[19:51] <sommer> Fenix|work: do you just want a higher resolution font?  if so I just add vga=791 to the end of the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.1st
[19:52] <Fenix|work> I did that... didn't work
[19:52] <Fenix|work> perhaps I did it wrong
[19:52] <Fenix|work> I'll look at it in a sec
[19:52] <Fenix|work> just reinstalling
[19:53] <sommer> you could also edit the line from grub before booting... sometimes it's up to your video card if it'll work or not I've noticed
[19:54] <Fenix|work> yeah... had those problems with gentoo ...
[19:54] <Fenix|work> but man, 80x25 blows :)
[19:54] <sommer> ssh is always whatever resolution you want :)
[19:55] <Fenix|work> yeah, haven't advanced to that stage yet though :)
[19:55] <Fenix|work> I don't have any networking set up just yet
[19:55] <Fenix|work> (deliberately set it up that way)
[19:56] <Fenix|work> getting this set up for cloning
[19:57] <sommer> sweet
[20:50] <Fenix|work> sommer, for SSH, I need to install OpenSSH?
[20:51] <sommer> yep, openssh-server to be exact
[20:52] <Fenix|work> is there a firewall already installed?
[20:52] <mralphabet> if there are no services running, there is no need for a firewall
[20:52] <Fenix|work> DNS
[20:52] <mralphabet> that being said, you can install iptables
[20:52] <sommer> iptables is, but you'll need to configure it.
[20:52] <Fenix|work> and soon openssh
[20:52] <mralphabet> well, those are things you added ;)
[20:52] <Fenix|work> last I want is outside to access ssh
[20:55] <Fenix|work> garr...
[20:55] <Fenix|work> umm, how does one fix all the stupid characters that show up in aptitude when using ssh?
[20:55] <Fenix|work> putty to be specific
[20:56] <mindframe-> what stupid characters?
[20:56] <Fenix|work> my putty is set to utf-8
[20:57] <Fenix|work> and instead of lines, I get lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk\nxReally quite Aptitude?x\nmqqqqqqqqqqqj
[20:57] <Fenix|work> obviously a characterset thing ...
[21:18] <sommer> anyone know of a way to do page accounting with cups and samba?
[21:19] <sommer> printing from a Windows client to a network printer shared through Samba
[21:54] <Calin24> after upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 I lost ldap-pam support, everything ldap-nss still works, and config for ldap-pam is still there... any idea's?
[22:10] <neozen> hi there all...
[22:10] <neozen> need to upgrade a headless ubuntu-server box to gutsy from feisty
[22:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Calin24, i can help per se, but i have pam-ldap working on 7.10 using the example configuration
[22:11] <neozen> was sure there were instructions for this on ubuntu's site.... seem to have disappeared
[22:12] <neozen> ah... here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[22:13] <Calin24> it seems to be misconfigured, since my user.log is showing can't reconnect to ldap server, but i'll be darned if i know where 7.10 does the config... i know nss_ldap got rid of needing nss-ldap.conf and nss-ldap.secret but no clue about pam.
[22:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> Calin24, /etc/ldap.conf
[22:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[22:15] <Calin24> hrmm should be working then, since nss_ldap is using the same config file, and works...
[22:15] <dendrobates> Calin24: you might need to rename nss-ldap.secret to ldap.secret
[22:16] <dendrobates> Calin24: were you using secret files?  Are you using TLS?
[22:16] <Calin24> already done... every config file 7.04 needed is gone, and all that's left is /etc/ldap.conf /etc/ldap.secret and /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
[22:17] <Calin24> no to TLS.. just secret files
[22:18] <dendrobates> Calin24: I just scrolled back, it seems you have nss-ldap working fine.
[22:19] <dendrobates> Calin24: if nss works pam should as well.  What are you seeing in the log's regarding pam?
[22:19] <Calin24> right.. it's just pam auth that fails
[22:20] <Calin24> pam_Oct 23 17:00:39 bowser sudo: pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server
[22:22] <dendrobates> Calin24: did you save a copy of your old pam-ldap.conf?
[22:23] <Calin24> yeah
[22:23] <dendrobates> Calin24: the only issue I know of, is the use of URI when doing TLS.  I'd try copying the pam-ldap.conf over ldap.conf.
[22:24] <dendrobates> perhaps there is something specific to your config that was missed in the new debconf scripts.
[22:25] <dendrobates> Calin24: if that fixes it, I'd like to see a diff.
[22:31] <Calin24> there an easy way to reboot pam without rebooting? or is it like nss and should auto pickup changes
[22:33] <dendrobates> Calin24: it should be automatic.
[22:39] <Calin24> hrmm nope isn't working even with the old pam-ldap.conf ... and just tried samba, it's definately only pam that's missing some sort of config to be working
[23:01] <close2__> hello, i have the problem, that my raid-arrays are not stopped correctly when rebooting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/111398
[23:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111398 in mdadm "mdadm fails to stop RAID on shutdown" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:02] <close2__> as there is no solution there yet, I hoped, that you would have an idea, how to prevent this.
[23:04] <close2__> I have 3 raid-partitions: swap, /boot and /  ; until now either swap or /boot where not correctly shutdown.
[23:27] <marchpumpkin> what are recommended web interfaces for ubuntu-server?  ebox seems minimal and webmin doesn't seem to exist
[23:33]  * ScottK likes vim, but ebox is planned for Hardy.
[23:33] <ScottK> !webmin | marchpumpkin
[23:33] <ubotu> marchpumpkin: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[23:35] <marchpumpkin> so webmin is a no-go....and ebox will be good whenever Hardy comes out....what would anyone suggest for the time being?
[23:35] <ScottK> Dunno.  I don't use a web interface.
[23:42] <marchpumpkin> BIND is way too complicated for my small (dozen+) network... what would be a simple replacement?
[23:53] <kjcole> Can't boot Gutsy with my LVM system any longer.  Was told -server might be a better place to ask.


[19:39] <arraybolt3> Does anyone recognize the user "dm2912"? They're putting a spammy advertisement in #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel, but it looks like it's not too horribly awful and I seem to recognize the user so I told them that spam was bad and am reporting it here rather than using !ops.
[19:40] <arraybolt3> nvm, they posted to wrong channels. Please disregard.
[23:53] <JackFrost> That is, they didn't realize /amsg would cross networks.


[20:59] <jussi01> o/
[21:00] <nhandler> IRCC Meeting time
[21:00] <nhandler> tsimpson, topyli, Pici, apachelogger?
[21:00] <topyli> i am here
[21:00]  * tsimpson is also here
[21:00] <apachelogger> o/
[21:00] <nhandler> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is nhandler.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:01] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:01] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Election of a chairman for the IRCC as per the approved charrter
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Election of a chairman for the IRCC as per the approved charrter
[21:01] <nhandler> jussi01: You added this item
[21:01] <jussi01> yes
[21:02] <nhandler> Care to talk about it?
[21:02] <jussi01> we need to add a chairman, nominations were on the background page, only I nominated, so perhaps a confirmation vote?
[21:02] <jussi01> Unless someone else wants to nominate now?
[21:03] <tsimpson> nah, let's just vote
[21:03] <jussi01> lets do it then.
[21:03] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should jussi01 serve as the IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter?
[21:03] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should jussi01 serve as the IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter?.
[21:03] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:03] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:03] <tsimpson> +1
[21:03] <MootBot> +1 received from tsimpson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:03] <topyli> +1
[21:03] <MootBot> +1 received from topyli. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:03] <nhandler> +1
[21:03] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:03] <jussi01> +0
[21:03] <MootBot> Abstention received from jussi01. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:04] <nhandler> #endvote
[21:04] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[21:04] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[21:04] <nhandler> [AGREED] jussi01 to serve as IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter
[21:04] <MootBot> AGREED received:  jussi01 to serve as IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter
[21:05] <nhandler> His term ends before the end of the year. We can deal with this when we get closer to that point
[21:05] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Request: Make the kubuntu-council team ops for all kubuntu channels
[21:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Request: Make the kubuntu-council team ops for all kubuntu channels
[21:05] <nhandler> apachelogger: Care to explain this a bit?
[21:05] <jussi01> I have no issues at all with this.
[21:06] <topyli> makes sense to me
[21:06] <apachelogger> the kubuntu-council are elected representees of the kubuntu members, currently as council member you would need ot apply for ops individually
[21:07] <nhandler> Hmm... tsimpson, correct me if I'm wrong, but once the script is done, wouldn't having the Kubuntu Council team being an admin of the various kubuntu channel op teams on LP allow them to add OPs?
[21:07] <apachelogger> which is a bit of a problem when no op is around
[21:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: do you want to create a kubuntucouncil nick or do you want each of your individual names on the list?
[21:07] <tsimpson> nhandler: yes, when the plugin is complete
[21:07] <nhandler> That would avoid the need to have a kubuntucouncil nick, and make it easy to update the access lists when the council changes
[21:07] <apachelogger> jussi01: I understand the fancy restructoring that is going on would allow the individual names to be on the list, if so then that would be preferred
[21:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok
[21:08] <apachelogger> drop people as they leave the lp team and add them as the get add
[21:08] <nhandler> tsimpson: What was the latest estimate on the script?
[21:08] <tsimpson> there's nothing stopping us from adding these nicks to the access list(s) now, so we don't need to wait for the plugin
[21:09] <jussi01> SO if I may rephrase, the KC council team to be added as an admin to the #kubuntu-* channels as admin (LP)
[21:09] <nhandler> tsimpson: But by doing that, they would be added individually, so the access list would not get updated when the kubuntu council LP team is updated
[21:09] <tsimpson> nhandler: there really isn't one, but it's progressing quite slowly right now. I'm attempting to get more people involved in it
[21:09] <jussi01> nhandler: we can apply changes on LP by hand
[21:09] <jussi01> its just a little manual work.
[21:10] <apachelogger> we can report member ship changes if that helps :)
[21:10] <nhandler> jussi01: It also makes it confusing to know who is an OP due to being on the council and who was already an op
[21:10] <apachelogger> it's not like things change that often though ^^
[21:10] <topyli> apachelogger, you referred to situations when no ops are around. this should never be he case, and if it is so, this issue should be fixed rather quickly
[21:10] <jussi01> nhandler: huh? not really as the council is admin, so therefore has +f. we can also just use templates <(
[21:11] <apachelogger> topyli: this was the case on April 3 or 2, someone was in a constant join-part loop for surely an hour or more
[21:11] <nhandler> jussi01: I was talking about if we were to simply add all the council members individually to the access list and lp team like I thought was suggested
[21:12] <nhandler> apachelogger: As a note, if no OPs are around, freenode staff are on the access lists and can help out
[21:12] <apachelogger> since I was around and am council member I found it a bit weird that I immediately couldnt do anything about it due to lack of op
[21:12] <jussi01> nhandler: read my rephrase again <(
[21:12] <topyli> apachelogger, makes this more urgent
[21:13] <jussi01> When we talked to the KC about this, we said that we would add them as admins to the LP group. this shouldnt be an issue.
[21:13] <tsimpson> the kubuntu-council really *should* have access anyway, and it's unfair to ask them to wait for us (me) to finish the ubottu plugin code for it
[21:14] <nhandler> What I would like to do is a) add the council as an admin on LP. b) Make a note about which members of the council already have OP access and in which channels. c) Add all Kubuntu council members as OPs in the channels. d) When the script is done, switch to using that
[21:14] <jussi01> nhandler: yes. but we should use templates so its easy to see.
[21:15] <tsimpson> only riddell already has op access afaics
[21:15] <tsimpson> compare https://edge.launchpad.net/~irc-kubuntu-ops/+members and https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council/+members
[21:15] <jussi01> I propose that KC members are give votriAf access. Or somehing similar. because of their admin satus
[21:16] <jussi01> tsimpson: this is devel and offtopic also
[21:16] <nhandler> jussi01: Is that the set of flags we are going to give all admins?
[21:16]  * ScottK thinks it was easier before.  Less bureacracy.
[21:17] <tsimpson> jussi01: none of the council are on those access lists either afaics
[21:17] <jussi01> ScottK: when things get their order and all is in place, this will be simple.
[21:17] <nhandler> ScottK: We are still working all of the kinks out of the process. It should become a lot easier in the coming months
[21:18] <ScottK> Probably should have been done before the new world order was imposed.
[21:20] <Tm_T> ScottK: which image(s) I should test, btw?
[21:20] <topyli> we were talking about getting the KC council to access lists though
[21:21] <nhandler> [VOTE] Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done
[21:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done.
[21:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:21] <tsimpson> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from tsimpson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:21] <nhandler> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:21] <topyli> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from topyli. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:21] <jussi01> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from jussi01. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:22] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[21:22] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[21:22] <nhandler> [AGREED] Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council  already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done.
[21:22] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council  already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done.
[21:22] <nhandler> Anyone want to action this? If not, I will.
[21:22] <jussi01> I can action this tomorrow
[21:22] <apachelogger> thanks everyone :)
[21:22] <jussi01> or you can nhandler whatever works.
[21:22] <nhandler> [ACTION] jussi01 to make the necessary changes on LP and IRC
[21:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jussi01 to make the necessary changes on LP and IRC
[21:23] <jussi01> ok
[21:23] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Any other Topics?
[21:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other Topics?
[21:23] <nhandler> Any other topics that need to be discussed?
[21:23] <jussi01> can I sleep now?
[21:23] <topyli> heh
[21:23] <topyli> jussi01, we can discuss that :)
[21:24] <tsimpson> we should vote ;)
[21:24] <jussi01> ACTION jussi01 to go to sleep
[21:24] <nhandler> If not, does someone want to handle minutes and stuff like that? I can if not
[21:24] <jussi01> nhandler: chairmans rsponsibility
[21:24] <tsimpson> just don't forget to #endmeeting
[21:25] <jussi01> yeah lol
[21:25] <nhandler> jussi01: Not necessarily ;) If someone else wants to do it, I like to ask
[21:25] <jussi01> hehe, fair enough
[21:25]  * nhandler notes that jussi01 is the chairman, nhandler is just chairing the meeting
[21:25] <jussi01> nhandler: sssh
[21:25] <jussi01> lol
[21:25] <nhandler> [ACTION] nhandler to handle minutes and stuff like that
[21:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to handle minutes and stuff like that
[21:25] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[21:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:25.
[21:26] <jussi01> doh... I was going to add 'all the time' there
[21:26] <jussi01> :D
[21:26] <jussi01> nini
[21:26] <topyli> ok, thanks guys


[07:21] <juergh> facemyer, best to open a bug. Run 'ubuntu-bug linux' on the affected machine.
[16:54] <nteodosio> Could someone please have a look at bug 1996217? I suspect it is kernel related given the nature of the logs.
[16:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Bug 1996217 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "SIGTRAP on launch 109.0.5396.2-2184" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1996217
[17:33] <sarnold> nteodosio: my wild guess is that whoever owns the chromium snap needs to fiddle with the yaml to ask for the perfmon capability in appamor policy or the pkey_mprotect() syscall in their seccomp policy
[17:38] <ogra> sarnold, luckily snaps can not "fiddle with apparmor or seccomp policy" ...
[17:38] <ogra> else the security model woud be pointless 😉
[17:38] <sarnold> ogra: well okay then the owner needs to ask you to ask amurray to allow it when he returns from vacation :)
[17:38] <ogra> nteodosio, you want to file a feature request or bug against snapd to get that included in some interface
[17:39] <ogra> sarnold, correct 🙂
[17:39] <nteodosio> Thank you for the pointers! I'll follow your advice.
[17:40] <ogra> nteodosio, though if it actually exists in some interface already, the snappy-debug tool would know ... try running it side by side with the browser
[17:41] <nteodosio> Will do!