[00:18] <jono> mhall119, around?
[00:19] <mhall119> jono: finishing dinner, what's up?
[00:19] <jono> mhall119, can you reddit http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/08/27/ubuntu-in-a-nutshell-unity-and-convergence/ :-)
[00:19] <mhall119> ok
[00:19] <jono> when you get a sec
[00:19] <jono> thanks, pal
[00:19]  * mhall119 was just reading it :)
[00:20]  * jose goes
[00:22] <mhall119> jose: I wasn't even done reading it yet :-P
[00:22] <jose> :P
[00:22] <jose> I read very quickly
[00:23] <jono> mhall119, :-)
[05:35] <Tm_T> good morning community
[13:48] <jcastro> hey balloons
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Oh, we are starting vUDS soon right/
[13:49] <jcastro> any idea if power management for Mir is coming sooner rather than later?
[13:49] <jcastro> I want to test Mir but losing power management is kind of a deal breaker for me
[13:49]  * smartboyhw recommends jcastro to ask in #ubuntu-mire
[13:49] <smartboyhw> #ubuntu-mir
[13:49] <jcastro> bah
[13:49] <jcastro> I prefer my own personal valet
[13:50] <smartboyhw> jcastro, nice;P
[13:50] <jussi> hehe
[13:50] <jussi> #ubuntu-mire
[13:50] <jussi> is that where we go to get mired in long pointless discussions?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> jussi, good question...
[13:58] <balloons> hey jcastro
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons
[13:59] <jcastro> hey balloons
[13:59]  * smartboyhw beats jcastro to it:)
[14:00] <balloons> time to join all the rooms :-)
[14:00] <smartboyhw> balloons, holy, Community Roundtable crashes with Community testing
[14:28] <smartboyhw> balloons, do a test hangout with me
[14:28] <balloons> ohh
[14:28] <balloons> smartboyhw, ohh
[14:29] <smartboyhw> balloons, can you hear me?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> No.
[14:33] <smartboyhw> balloons, Hangout sucks:(
[14:33] <balloons> smartboyhw, there is a gear in the upper right that lets you select the input device
[14:33] <smartboyhw> balloons, I know
[14:33] <smartboyhw> It doesn't work
[14:34] <smartboyhw> I did try to use earphones once
[14:34] <smartboyhw> (On Mumble)
[14:34] <smartboyhw> It worked
[14:35] <balloons> right.. it must be unamplified or something. a proper microphone would be helpful
[14:39] <smartboyhw> balloons, no microphone here:(
[14:40] <balloons> I'm just surprised it doesn't work with your internal mic
[14:40] <smartboyhw> balloons, no it doesn't
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Sigh, can't join:(
[14:45] <balloons> smartboyhw, so your laptop has an internal mic, but it doesn't work.. or it doesn't have an internal mic?
[14:46] <balloons> you also might need to select an input device and make sure it's not muted, etc in the pulseaudio panel
[14:46] <smartboyhw> balloons, it should have a internal mic
[14:46] <balloons> smartboyhw, check to make sure it's not muted as well with alsamixer
[14:46] <smartboyhw> balloons, it isn't
[14:47] <balloons> all input is unmuted, etc? sometimes alsamixer will reveal things the gui panel doesn't
[14:47] <smartboyhw> balloons, no
[14:48] <smartboyhw> I mean, not muted
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Wait, my MIc IS muted
[14:48] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[14:48] <smartboyhw> balloons, starting another one with you?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> YAY!
[14:49]  * smartboyhw hugs balloons
[14:49] <balloons> smartboyhw, :-p
[14:50]  * smartboyhw can finally participate in vUDS this year
[14:50] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:11] <jono> roundtable session happening now: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21900/community-roundtable-tue/
[15:13] <dholbach> we're hanging out in #ubuntu-uds-community-1
[15:29] <smartboyhw> martboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/google-please-let-me-join-vuds/
[15:29] <smartboyhw> *smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/google-please-let-me-join-vuds/
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Have to write this
[15:40] <popey> smartboyhw: lie about your age ☻
[15:40] <IdleOne> yeah, that is the solution
[15:40] <smartboyhw> popey, uh hum
[15:40] <smartboyhw> I don't lie in my email account
[15:41] <IdleOne> OMG!Ubuntu: Canonical tells under age users to lie about their age!
[15:41] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, \o/
[15:43] <popey> meh, i would
[15:47] <elfy> I'm 15
[15:47] <elfy> I always lie about my age
[15:48] <smartboyhw> elfy, bah
[15:48] <smartboyhw> That's seriously lying for no good reason
[16:44] <jono> dholbach, who is responsible for click packages installing on the Nexus devices?
[16:44] <jono> I noticed that the packages are not installing to /opt when I download them
[16:44] <dholbach> jono, alecu brought it up in #ubuntu-touch earlier
[16:44] <dholbach> it might have to do with the switch to read-only images
[16:45] <dholbach> lool, cjwatson, sergiusens should be able to help I guess
[16:45] <dholbach> I just got too busy to follow the discussion on the channel
[16:45] <jono> dholbach, np
[17:00] <jono> balloons, you need to bang the drum more on Mir MM testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/MultiMonitorTesting/results
[17:00] <jono> one person has participated so far
[17:42] <jono> balloons, ?
[17:42] <jono> did you see my message?
[17:55] <balloons> jono, ohh I see it now.. flakyness. There is also http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/298/builds/51476/testcases/1572/results
[17:56] <balloons> so 5 altogether it looks like
[17:56] <jono> balloons, so what is the difference between the wiki page and that?
[17:56] <balloons> jono, nothing.. you can report either place
[17:57] <jono> balloons, why don't we just ask people to use one place?
[18:00] <balloons> jono, the wiki was used originally so they retained it.. typically everything would be recorded in the tracker
[18:00] <jono> balloons, so there is no good reason
[18:00] <jono> balloons, I see little point in having two places to file reports
[18:01] <jono> lets ask people to use the tracker
[18:01] <balloons> jono, the reason is that they didn't ask people originally to use the tracker, but instead to use a wiki page
[18:01] <balloons> they don't want to alienate anyone now, so both still exist. They want as many reports as possible
[18:02] <balloons> I agree about it's potential for confusion..
[18:03] <jono> balloons, right, but my point is...why didn't they use the tracker at first?
[18:03] <jono> we have a QA tracker for tracking manual testing, which this is
[18:04] <jono> dholbach, can you throw me the hangout URL for the click session?
[18:04] <dholbach> done
[18:05] <balloons> jono, you originally created the wiki page for tracking results from the Xmir testing :-) I didn't realize you had done that when we were using the tracker at the same time
[18:05] <balloons> regardless, we can edit the links out. only 2 people used the wiki
[18:06] <asomething> dholbach, planet checker script - https://gist.github.com/andrewsomething/6356278
[18:06] <balloons> let me know and I'll make the edits, which should just more or less freeze the wiki results page from getting further results
[18:06] <jono> balloons, no, I created the GPU testing wiki page, which was not intended for deep testing
[18:07] <jono> I didn't createhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/MultiMonitorTesting/results
[18:09] <dholbach> asomething, you are the hero of heroes
[18:09]  * dholbach hugs asomething
[20:00] <dholbach> see you guys tomorrow
[20:01] <balloons> jono, I think doing it on the wiki was confusing.. it was not my intention to do it that way, but I'm making the best of it for testing as it's been done. There is an article on omg that landed this afternoon.. that should help reach more folks. I'm sending reminders that we only have one more day before the testing closes
[20:02] <jono> balloons, ok, just in the future, lets focus on the tracker
[20:13] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!


[00:00] <SemiNus> I'll come back after the upgrade
[00:01] <SemiNus> thank you tomreyn, Ben64, oerheks and all the other nice people here!
[00:01] <oerheks> have fun!
[00:41] <gw1sh1n> Can anyone recommend a reliable VPN for Ubuntu? I have found some that work well for my Mac and Windows computers, but those same services disconnect all the time on my Ubuntu machine.
[00:42] <timyp> gw1sh1n I use open VPN server but run it off my router but I know the VPN client its self works pretty well
[00:43] <timyp> are you looking for a VPN client or server solution?
[00:43] <gw1sh1n> Client. I guess I should have made that clear
[00:44] <gw1sh1n> I've used Mullvad, BlackVPN, VPNTunnel and a few others but the sll seem to disconnect after a few minutes of use
[00:45] <gw1sh1n> *they all
[00:45] <timyp> what vpn server are you using? and what protocol ? openvpn, PPTP, L2TP, IPsec?
[00:46] <timyp> sorry I was typing as you posted that
[00:46] <gw1sh1n> I'm using OpenVPN protocol. From what I've read, PPTP and L2TP have some flaws
[00:46] <gw1sh1n> So I'd like to keep using OpenVPN for that reason
[00:47] <buggedout> i like nordvpn because it's not in canada / usa and it's fast and stable
[00:47] <buggedout> also they don't log
[00:47] <timyp> PPTP is broke as far as security not aware of any issue with IPsec
[00:47] <gw1sh1n> @buggedout No problems with frequent disconnections?
[00:48] <buggedout> they have a black friday deal going on too right now.. i got 3 years for 99 bucks.
[00:48] <t0no6a> gwlshln : yeah,agree,NordVPN it is a great choice
[00:48] <timyp> so I know with the openvpn client there is an option you can add to cache the password, if you don't do that it will disconnect after x amount of time until you re-auth
[00:48] <buggedout> yeah so far im really pleased.. you can double encrypt too
[00:49] <timyp> are you getting any errors from the client when the disconnect happens?
[00:50] <gw1sh1n> As in logs?
[00:50] <gw1sh1n> I actualy don't know how to check that. I'm still learning my way around Linux
[00:52] <timyp> I see okay so what VPN client are you using now?
[00:52] <timyp> norm most applications will leave a log in /var/log
[00:53] <timyp> which can be views by running tail -f /var/log/logile_name.log )or where ever the location of said log is
[00:54] <timyp> so track down the log file for the client you are using, that will be the best way to get to the bottom of the problem. Also are you sure its not an issue with the VPN server its self, or is it only the ubunut client giving you problems?
[00:57] <kaosine> hrmm I wonder what would happen if I were to put a ssd in this laptop and put xubuntu/lubuntu on it(I am getting in a big mood to put linux on everything of mine XD)
[00:58] <bazhang> kaosine, thats a great topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:58] <buggedout> after having ssd's in my last 3 laptops i'd never go back.
[00:59] <kaosine> bazhang: really?
[00:59] <bazhang> lets keep to technical support here please
[00:59] <bazhang> chit chat in the offtopic channel
[00:59] <kaosine> buggedout: yeah...never had a ssd before(too broke for it) but yeah
[00:59] <bazhang> kaosine, yes
[01:00] <kaosine> bazhang: well I'm still not sure what I'm going to put on it though....regular ubuntu I know is a no go >_>
[01:00] <kaosine> so there in it's still technical stuff I think :-\
[01:00] <Zensei> so I want to use my buddies comp as a server, do I literally just connect to server or do I connect via SSH and learn all about that?
[01:00] <bazhang> kaosine, then try something lighter, lubuntu comes to mind
[01:01] <timyp> SSD are great you will notice more performance than you would just by doubling the RAM in a system
[01:01] <kaosine> ugh I need to go ask my grandmother her password I need to double check the specs but it should only have 4gb of ram I think...
[01:01] <kaosine> timyp: well I think they maxed the system out at 4gb but I could be wrong
[01:02] <buggedout> this laptop  is about 1.5 years old has 16gb of ram and a midline ssd.. runs fine.. I7 7gen processor. can't kick
[01:02] <timyp> an SSD will make all the difference
[01:02] <oboma> is there a way to see installation progress during ubuntu's gui install ?
[01:02] <kaosine> yeah some form of amd a6 here...ok I'm getting up to check that password
[01:02] <bazhang> timyp, buggedout kaosine the offtopic channel or ##hardware for this please
[01:03] <oboma> can i see the commandline somehow ?
[01:04] <tomreyn> oboma: if you're talking about updates, there should be a triangle icon you can click on to get the command output
[01:04] <oboma> tomreyn: no, i am on the partitioning step of ubuntu install gui and its taking quite some time
[01:04] <buggedout> yeah the install itself is either command line or gui.. i don't think you can do both.. afaik
[01:05] <oboma> i'm starting to wonder if my boot order isnt the pb
[01:05] <oboma> buggedout: ok
[01:05] <buggedout> maybe you have safeboot on?
[01:05] <timyp> if you can get to a termincal try debconf-apt-progress
[01:05] <timyp> terminal *
[01:06] <buggedout> more than likely something to do with efi.
[01:07] <tomreyn> i think the only task in partitioning that would take long is crypto disk if you chose to zero them out.
[01:13] <kaosine> ok so amd a6-4400 and 8gb of ram, that's still lubuntu I should be looking at right?
[01:13] <Ben64> you can run anything on that
[01:13] <bazhang> kaosine, 8gb of ram will run any and everything
[01:14] <bazhang> kaosine, ubuntu has a requirements page to read
[01:14] <bazhang> !requirements
[01:14] <bazhang> kaosine, ^
[01:14] <kaosine> I just wasn't sure....I'm not a hardware guy if you can't tell. I'm still confused looking at potiential upgrades for the desktop she gave me. and amd processors has the worst numbering system imo
[01:15] <kaosine> s/has/have
[01:19] <kaosine> I don't think I'm ever going back to windows now unless i'm forced to that is though
[01:20] <gw1sh1n> kaosine Just install VirtualBox and put a Windows VM on your computer. The only thing I have to use Windows for is Word documents every once in a while
[01:20] <kaosine> well even that I'm almost certain I can avoid with libre :P
[01:21] <Ben64> office 365 exists too
[01:21] <gw1sh1n> Every once in a while the formatting is off with libre, which is the only reason I even have the windows vm
[01:22] <kaosine> yeah and I still don't like 365. I have it through school for free and I still prefer libre. I never do anything advanced with it anyways...
[01:24] <bazhang> kaosine, did you some specific technical support issues, or just want to chatter
[01:25] <kaosine> well I've still been trying to figure out why my kubu install on this desktop is flickering every once in awhile(i've been googling it but I wouldn't be surprised if that last apt-update did it knowing my luck and I need to restart)
[01:26] <oboma> so, i had this wifi usb adapter that was making the installation loop indefinitely
[01:26] <oboma> all i did was unplug it and off it goes finishing the install in seconds
[01:27] <kaosine> wait....wifi usb adapter? those still exist?
[01:29] <oboma> kaosine: the mobo is 10yo
[01:29] <kaosine> ok that explains it
[01:29] <kaosine> I just haven't heard of those things in FOREVER
[01:30] <kaosine> not since we built computers in my junior year and we only had those because we were testing network stuff(with tm nations >_>) on those computers
[01:30] <kaosine> have I heard of anyone using or having those
[01:42] <konrados> kaosine, I do.... o.O since when wifi is a standard in desktop (non-laptop) machines?
[01:44] <konrados> I mean they install it quite often, but it's still not that common (I think)
[01:45] <kaosine> konrados: for a long time....most stores sell them with wifi in them now a days if you don't build it yourself
[01:46] <konrados> kaosine, ah, now I thought I've never bought a pc ready 'out of the box' :P
[02:11] <arooni> is there a way to automatically run sudo apt-get update so i can get regular software updates ?  i forget to do it pretty often
[02:13] <kaosine> probably, but why not just set a calendar reminder on the thing to remind you? that's what I'd do XD
[02:17] <rainingimpala> I'm not sure if it would be advisable (I'm pretty new to Linux) but you could edit your crontab
[02:18] <rainingimpala> Rather
[02:18] <rainingimpala> You would have to edit root's crontab
[02:18] <rainingimpala> Which you can do thorugh:
[02:18] <rainingimpala> $ sudo crontab -e
[02:19] <rainingimpala> Read through some literature online or relevant man pages to get the syntax right (there's a useful online tool called Corntab that can assist as well)
[02:20] <rainingimpala> Also, yes, the website it Corntab, but the program that it helps with is cron
[02:20] <krabador> arooni , in a way , it's a little bit unsecure to set update automatic
[02:21] <krabador> because if something goes wrong, or some new versions of something is buggy, or with issues with your hardware, you've a nuclear war after reboot
[02:22] <rainingimpala> ^ that's why I was unsure as to whether cron-ing a software updates would be good
[02:22] <rainingimpala> However
[02:22] <rainingimpala> Since updating just gets the latest package and doesn't install it until it is upgraded
[02:23] <rainingimpala> I think it should be fine so long as crontab is not edited to include $ apt upgrade
[02:23] <krabador> that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[02:23] <krabador> it's useful about
[02:24] <krabador> the last line is about generic automatic updates.
[02:42] <waltman> I'm having trouble printing. I printed a few test pages after a reboot and it worked fine. Then I printed something that got my printer into a weird state, which I fixed by turning it off and on. Now ubuntu says it's printing, but nothing ever goes to the printer.
[02:43] <spyke581> I have a box that id like to use as a HTPC but it has a displayport instead of HDMI. i cant figure out how to configure audio out over displayport since xubuntu isnt recognizng it as an option. Any help?
[02:43] <waltman> I've tried restarting cups (sudo systemctl restart cups.service) but it didn't fix it. I've also tried unplugging and replugging the cable. Any other suggestions on how to reset it?
[03:00] <oboma> so... now i'm stuck on wifi. module is loaded, but the interface does not exist
[03:01] <oboma> its picked up in dmesg when i plug it in
[03:04] <oboma> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325317
[03:06] <spyke581> When i watch videos on any of my linux machines i often tearing in the picture. i dont have this issue on a windows machine running the same hardware. ive had this issue on every linux machine ive ever used, regardless of distro. does anyone know what is causing this?
[03:10] <JoshuaD> hey guys, I recently updated to 17.10. I am using xfce4. I locked my screen and walked away from the computer. About 20 minutes later I came back and the screen is all blue, and sometimes it switches to all red. I am able to get to a tty (which I am on). Any suggestions on debugging this?
[03:10] <JoshuaD> This is the second time it happened. Last time I restarted and the computer came back up fine. This time I left it in the broken state to try to make things easier to figure out.
[03:11] <Sveta> Hi JoshuaD.
[03:11] <Sveta> This behavious is typical for the 'slock' screen locker.
[03:12] <JoshuaD> can confirm slock is currently running.
[03:12] <Sveta> To get back in, type your password in (this will make it turn blue) and hit Enter.
[03:12] <Sveta> You may wish to switch from slock to an xfce screen locker that is less confusing. It probably is not installed simply.
[03:13] <JoshuaD> that worked, thanks. Which screen locker would you recommend?
[03:14] <Sveta> I think xscreensaver provides neat locking that xfce users often use:
[03:14] <Sveta> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BDdfMA_93iM/UQsasyE_4KI/AAAAAAAAGTs/s0Sgc8FfKNg/s1600/xscreensaver2.png
[03:15] <Sveta> 'xscreensaver' is a package, I would hope installing it already is enough by itself.
[03:18] <JoshuaD> brb switching to hexchat
[03:20] <Sveta> Ok, welcome back. The package name is 'xscreensaver', by the way, in case you do not remember it from the discussion above.
[03:20] <JoshuaD> Thnx. I'm gonna do a little digging and try to figure out the one I had previous to the upgrade. I liked that one
[03:20] <JoshuaD> I think it may have been light-locker
[03:22] <JoshuaD> So a little while ago I switched from lightdm to sddm because lightdm was hanging on boot. Can I use light-locker with sddm?
[03:27] <Sveta> I don't think so.
[03:28] <Sveta> The way "something-locker" works is it sends a signal to a running "something" and asks it to lock the screen.
[03:28] <JoshuaD> i see. So the dm and the locker come together as a pair
[03:29] <Sveta> That is my interpretation.
[03:30] <JoshuaD> cool, really appreciate the help.
[03:30] <Sveta> Welcome.
[03:50] <atdprhs> hello everyone
[03:51] <atdprhs> I'm trying to configure bridge network
[03:51] <atdprhs> not sure what went wrong
[03:51] <atdprhs> so I'm following this article on my localmachine
[03:51] <atdprhs> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/create-kvm-pods-with-maas?_ga=2.122713161.317020200.1511341689-1131947244.1511341689#2
[03:51] <atdprhs> and for some reason, when I restart
[03:51] <atdprhs> my wifi adaptor doesn't work anymore
[03:52] <buggedout> trying to bridge your router with the isp router?
[03:52] <atdprhs> this is my bridge configuration buggedout
[03:53] <atdprhs> Have I done anything wrong in this script?
[03:54] <atdprhs> So this is my config >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26047019/ VS https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/create-kvm-pods-with-maas?_ga=2.122713161.317020200.1511341689-1131947244.1511341689#2 >> after restart, wifi not working anymore, if you can help me find what I di wrong, would be very appreciated!
[03:54] <buggedout> i'd change the name server to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> googles public servers
[03:55] <buggedout> they always seem to be fastest for me anyway
[03:56] <atdprhs> I don't have nameservers defined and my wifi is meant to be automatic, additionally, when I say wifi not woking, I mean it doesn't even show wifis to connect in the first place
[03:56] <buggedout> did you restart network manager?
[03:56] <buggedout> hrrmm
[03:56] <buggedout> oh
[03:56] <buggedout> what brand is the router?
[03:57] <atdprhs> netgear, but I cannot imagine that it would make a difference, as it's working if I removed the bridge settings
[03:58] <atdprhs> Here is the working version http://paste.ubuntu.com/26047050/
[03:59] <buggedout> so.. your trying to bridge your netgear router to the router your isp gave you correct?
[03:59] <pennTeller> Hi guys, I just installed ubuntu on a MacBookPro11,3. Does anybody know a way to install the wifi drivers via usb since I dont have access to an ethernet port?
[04:01] <buggedout> if your trying to bridge it to a router from your isp..   you have to call them to have them setup a bridge on their end as well or it will not bridge
[04:02] <buggedout> i do h awve 12 beer in me tho.. so oi could be totally misunderstanding. the code yo u posted is making my head spin. lol
[04:02] <kaosine> pennTeller: can't go grab a usb to ethernet adapter?
[04:02] <atdprhs> this default config doesn't break anything
[04:02] <atdprhs> The interesting, I have approx 10 wifis around, I see none, so it's definitely something got to do with the bridging config
[04:02] <atdprhs> No, I am trying to follow this article >> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/create-kvm-pods-with-maas?_ga=2.122713161.317020200.1511341689-1131947244.1511341689#2
[04:02] <atdprhs> afaik, I"m trying to bridge to virtual network
[04:02] <atdprhs> have you seen the article?
[04:04] <pennTeller> kaosine, not really.. Ideally I could boot into mac os download the driver into a USB, boot ubuntu 16.04 and install the driver. But I dont know where to find them or if they are installabe via USB
[04:06] <kaosine> pennTeller: well there is this and there is a zip linked in teh accepted answer too so I guess you could try it...not sure if it's for the same one though if apple does change them up between versions of laptops
[04:06] <buggedout> hrrmm yeah that might be a bit over my head atm.. i thought you were trying to bridge 2 routers..
[04:06] <kaosine> https://askubuntu.com/questions/470153/no-wireless-when-install-14-04-on-macbook-pro
[04:06] <kaosine> (forgot to paste the link XD)
[04:06] <pennTeller> kaosine, thank you :)
[04:06] <buggedout> your trying to bridge 2 nic cards one inside and one outside the network?
[04:07] <buggedout> or that's what im seeing from that article
[04:11] <atdprhs> 1 real nic and one virtual nic
[04:11] <atdprhs> the birdge is for linking both of them
[04:11] <atdprhs> I've done something, i'll try to reboot and see if it works
[04:11] <atdprhs> brb
[04:19] <atdprhs> buggedout: please see the next 2 steps
[04:19] <atdprhs> it still dind't work with me
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> atdprhs: there is also ##networking if you like
[04:33] <atdprhs> thanks lotuspsychje
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> atdprhs: those guys know alot about networking
[04:37] <atdprhs> lotuspsychje, yes, I'm there and talking to them, didn't know about this channel, thanks a lot for pointing it out!!
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> atdprhs: no prob mate
[04:51] <KanePR> I'd like to see recent bookmarks of 50.
[04:52] <KanePR> Can I see recent bookmarks of 50?
[04:52] <KanePR> Now I have to painstakingly go through my bookmarks one by one.
[04:52] <KanePR> That has to be a better way.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> KanePR: firefox? make category folders?
[04:58] <KanePR> I installed Sort Bookmarks and now I found what I wanted. Excellent!
[05:40] <JoshuaD> On Ubuntu 17.10. Tried switching my dm to lightdm. Computer stops booting sometime during systemd. I have the plymouth screen on display still moving, but nothing else. I cannot get to any TTYs, they don't seem to be established yet. This has happened before (on 16.10) and I was able to work around it by going into recovery mode and choosing a different DM and uninstalling lightdm.  Is there something else I can do to figure out why
[05:40] <JoshuaD> things hang? I would like to use LightDM. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling it, but that didn't work.  Are there config files somewhere I can try reseting to defaults, maybe?
[06:04] <pennTeller> Hi guys does anybody know a way to set "palm rejection" or "thumb rejection" for a trackpad on a MacBook pro?
[06:10] <JoshuaD> FYI: I fixed that by removing /etc/lightdm. The defaults kicked in and lightdm is working.
[08:53] <GhostwalkGames> Are there any huge differences between Ubuntu with KDE and Kubuntu
[08:53] <GhostwalkGames> If you have KDE desktop on both
[08:53] <GhostwalkGames> For 16.04 for example
[08:58] <alkisg> GhostwalkGames: ideally, no differences. In practise you might get some service from ubuntu running under kde, wasting ram etc
[09:02] <GhostwalkGames> Okay thanks
[09:28] <LeMike_> Hello. Is it possible to open a new window in a screen and execute a command in it? Within a screen, I want to execute a script, that opens several windows each with a ssh connection to my servers.
[09:36] <Neo3> Hi! Who know what is this the language is it bash? https://pastebin.com/0xxWELmZ
[09:36] <Neo3> this code translate selected text
[09:39] <Neo3> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1511689128.png
[09:39] <Neo3> not bad? a few row of code creates the translator
[09:39] <LeMike_> Well, it combines a wget with several other things (mostly sed).
[09:40] <Neo3> LeMike_: somebody who did it might be know it
[09:40] <LeMike_> wget asks google to translate, sed parses the answer, notify-send shows it in your desktop
[09:40] <Neo3> yes you guessed, it is
[09:41] <Neo3> it's bad of course translator, in windows I have better abbyy lingua x6
[09:42] <LeMike_> oh boy, you said the bad word.
[09:42] <Neo3> this translator able translate text from video, I hove mouse under subtitle and get translation and can copy to file for learn by then
[09:42] <Neo3> LeMike_: what is bad words?
[09:42] <LeMike_> Windows
[09:43] <Neo3> LeMike_: oh :)
[09:43] <Neo3> LeMike_: I have both
[09:44] <Neo3> LeMike_: Trying customize now ubuntu, if manage it I'll will use it as main OS, On windows I have all main apps that I like to use
[09:44] <Neo3> skype, wabmoney, good translator ( books in English I'll read in windows )
[09:45] <Neo3> LeMike_: hey code like that is call Bash scripting or shall programming?
[09:46] <Neo3> this is shell programming?
[09:47] <GhostwalkGames> Bash is a shell
[09:47] <GhostwalkGames> So a bash script is a shell script :-)
[09:47] <GhostwalkGames> Roughly speaking
[09:47] <Neo3> ok
[09:48] <Neo3> GhostwalkGames: and that script above is shell code?
[09:48] <GhostwalkGames> Yeh bash shell script
[09:49] <Neo3> good, Seems it is powerful thing, You can make translator using shell, I didn't think it before...
[09:50] <GhostwalkGames> Bash can do a lot of things that Python or other languages can. It's not perfect but it's very powerful
[09:55] <ducasse> Neo3: the shell is a very powerful and efficient tool, which is why we've been telling you to learn how to use it instead of relying on guis and web panels
[09:56] <Neo3> I'll do
[09:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:01] <Neo3> ducasse: see how it works, pretty cool http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1511690387.png
[10:03] <Neo3> of course abbyy lingua x6 is better, but nevertheless it's better than nothing, I know enough words and can read without translator in multiple cases...
[10:04] <ducasse> there's also ubuntu channels in other languages, you know
[10:04] <ducasse> !ru
[10:06] <Neo3> there are little people
[10:08] <Neo3> ducasse: I want to learn English, speaking here I'm doing two things simultaneously. Kill two birds with one stone!
[10:08] <Neo3> :)
[10:09] <b100s> hi2all!
[10:09] <b100s> what differnece between `3.8.7-1ubuntu1.1` and `3.8.7-1ubuntu1` how should i understand it ?
[10:09] <BluesKaj> fewer people Neo3, little means the people are small in size
[10:10] <Neo3> BluesKaj: seems small means small in size, little means about amount?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> not amount, a midget is a little person
[10:12] <yomm> Actually imho 'there are little people' would be correct in the sense : there are not many people
[10:12] <BluesKaj> fewer =quantity
[10:12] <yomm> *also
[10:13] <Neo3> it's countable few
[10:13] <BluesKaj> yomm, nope
[10:13] <Neo3> yes I mean there few people
[10:13] <Neo3> BluesKaj: I always use it, there are little people, it means little number of humans
[10:13] <yomm> like: there is little interest in the subject
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Neo3, that's wrong in english
[10:14] <Neo3> BluesKaj: little use with uncountable noun, few with countable, people probably is uncountable noun
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> move on to real support issues?
[10:15] <bazhang> Neo3, ubuntu support issues?
[10:15] <ducasse> maybe this discussion can go to ##English...
[10:15] <BluesKaj> uncountable yes , so fewer means countable
[10:15] <Neo3> BluesKaj: google translator translated a few people
[10:16] <bazhang> Neo3, lets get back to ubuntu support please
[10:16] <Neo3> ok
[10:16] <BluesKaj> you won't learn english using a translator
[10:16] <BluesKaj> they are unrelaiable
[10:30] <MrM4D> Can someone please help me to enable the bluetooth device of the rtl8822BE chip on ubuntu 16.04 with 4.14.2 kernel? :)
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> MrM4D: lsb_release -a plz for . version?
[10:33] <ducasse> MrM4D: is that a mainline kernel, or where's it from?
[10:39] <MrM4D> mainline from the .deb ifles
[10:40] <MrM4D> lotuspsychje, lsb_release -a -> https://pastebin.com/SxraT89j
[10:41] <MrM4D> ducasse, uname -r -> 4.14.2-041402-lowlatency
[10:41] <ducasse> does it work with the official kernel?
[10:41] <MrM4D> no, they added support for thsi chipset just on 4.14
[10:42] <MrM4D> it works on windows...
[10:42] <MrM4D> (No pun intentend)
[10:43] <ducasse> the mainline kernels might not be built with support for it - they're only intended for testing and are totally unsupported
[10:43] <MrM4D> aha, ok. So nothing can be done?
[10:44] <kgbme> hey what's the lowlatency by the way
[10:45] <MrM4D> I'm asking because one of the features stated on this kernel is support of the rtl8822be wireless. And digging into the kernel's source i saw it loads firmware for the bluetooth part of it
[10:45] <ducasse> MrM4D: look at the config-* file for your kernel in /boot, see what it says for that build option
[10:46] <ducasse> kgbme: exactly what it sounds like :)
[10:47] <ducasse> kgbme: some users think it improves responsiveness etc for desktops
[10:47] <MrM4D> ducasse, only this line for 8822 keyword: CONFIG_R8822BE=m
[10:49] <MrM4D> under "FIR device drivers"
[10:49] <MrM4D> nothing on bluetooth :/
[10:49] <ducasse> so it builds itt as a module, i don't know if bt support is included in that
[10:50] <MrM4D> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364383&page=2&p=13666968#post13666968
[10:51] <MrM4D> someone managed to load the bt firmware ^^
[10:59] <MrJones> my crontab -e doesn't run, what can I do about it?
[11:00] <MrJones> the syslog has mentions for various cron scripts but not any @daily entries apart from popularity-contest, which leads me to believe the crontab of the root user isn't even read
[11:00] <MrJones> does crontab -e work out of the box for root?
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> !cron | MrJones
[11:15] <aykut> hey guys
[11:15] <aykut> just installed the 17.10 server on netbook and got this
[11:15] <aykut> https://image.prntscr.com/image/eBoA2NehTeOMwddwyNjDqg.png
[11:15] <aykut> ideas ?
[11:16] <aykut> btw vertical ş
[11:16] <aykut> vertical lines are hardware problem
[11:18] <frib> hi, all of a sudden today firefox is not displaying pages correctly. is there a bug?
[11:18] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm on Ubuntu 16.10 and I'm trying to understand something in the man page of the tac command. Is this the best channel?
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> Richard_Cavell: 16.10 is end of life mate
[11:19] <Richard_Cavell> oh sorry I meant 16.04
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> aykut: try desktop or nomodeset?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | aykut
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> frib: what happens exactly?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> Richard_Cavell: best way to get an issue solved, is to ask your specific question to the channel
[11:21] <frib> lotuspsychje, search boxes don't display typing text and youtube videos show only the thumbnails, no titles, lots of text missing from page, css seemingly all messed up
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> frib: ubuntu version, firefox version?
[11:22] <frib> lotuspsychje, xenial 16.04.3 LTS, firefox 57.0
[11:23] <Richard_Cavell> lotuspsychje: I want to understand the -s option to the tac command.
[11:23] <aykut> lotuspsychje, thanks worked
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> aykut: your welcome
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> frib: tested other browsers?
[11:25] <frib> lotuspsychje, yes chrome works fine
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> frib: so must be FF and not graphics hmm
[11:25] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: it says use separator instead of newline
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> frib: tried FF in the guest account or new profile?
[11:26] <atomo> how's to get drivers working on kubuntu? im trying without successfull
[11:26] <atomo> it ok now thanks
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> !yay | atomo
[11:29] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26049033/
[11:29] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: the separator is what determines where it uses (in reverse order) something to be displayed first
[11:31] <frib> lotuspsychje, not yet
[11:34] <tarelerulz> The only way I can boot now is if select ubuntu from the bios
[11:34] <atdprhs> guys, is it possible to limit unity from display opened apps in other workspaces?
[11:35] <EriC^^> !info wmctrl | atdprhs
[11:37] <Richard_Cavell> EriC^^: Okay
[11:37] <Richard_Cavell> It doesn't work the way I thought it might
[11:38] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: what did you want it to do?
[11:38] <tarelerulz> When I let my computer boot it comes to a grub menu that  has Debain and Fedora.  I have no idea where that file is that tells that
[11:39] <Richard_Cavell> EriC^^: https://ideone.com/WdnMOc
[11:39] <BluesKaj> tarelerulz, have you run sudo update-grub in debian or fedora?
[11:40] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: odd, i'd expect it to create newlines, try | tac -s "."
[11:41] <atdprhs> thanks EriC^^ , i'm researching on how to use it now
[11:41] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: oh, i think it just does the separation for each individual line
[11:42] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: ultimately what are you trying to achieve?
[11:47] <atdprhs> EriC^^, I am looking at it's usage https://linux.die.net/man/1/wmctrl , not sure if it can really do what I need?
[11:48] <EriC^^> atdprhs: try this instead http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/how-to-make-application-always-open-on.html
[11:58] <Richard_Cavell> EriC^^: I'm just going through man pages of various commands, trying to make sure I understand usage of basic commands
[11:59] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: ah cool, i recommend http://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary.pdf if you've not read it already, it gives a good base on the essentials
[12:04] <atdprhs> EriC^^, I installed the app
[12:05] <atdprhs> couldn't find what I needed, as from the link you provided >> "To make an application always open on a workspace (viewport)", this is opposite to what I want to do
[12:05] <atdprhs> I want to limit visible windows to current workspaces only
[12:06] <EriC^^> atdprhs: you mean the icons?
[12:06] <atdprhs> i.e, if I have A running workspace 1, and B running on Workspace 2, in my unity bar on the left, I want to only see A as I am on Workspace 1
[12:06] <EriC^^> oh
[12:06] <atdprhs> And B to be hidden
[12:06] <atdprhs> till I switch to the second workspace
[12:06] <EriC^^> i dont think that's possible
[12:07] <atdprhs> hmm
[12:07] <atdprhs> okay, thx EriC^^
[12:10] <scootergrisen> Where can i ask about translations and launchpad if no answer on #ubuntu-translators
[12:19] <nbusrone> May I know how do I check which application I had install ubuntu OS from live cd ?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> the ubuntu installer is called Ubiquity if that's what you're asking, nbusrone
[12:25] <nbusrone> BluesKaj : I mean , ubuntu is install on sda3 but I booted with live cd but wanted to list out application & lib install on sda3 ubuntu OS rather than booting on the OS.
[12:26] <nbusrone> BluesKaj : something similar with dpkg -l
[12:29] <theafricanp3ngui> Morning folks
[12:30] <theafricanp3ngui> I have 17.10 amd64 installed on a system with a hybrid display (intel and nvidia)
[12:30] <theafricanp3ngui> everything works ok
[12:32] <BluesKaj> nbusrone, you have to boot into or ssh into the ubuntu OS to list the installed packages/libs etc
[12:33] <theafricanp3ngui> I have currently dock the laptop as my workstation by connecting it to two external monitors via VGA and HDMI port whilst the laptop/notebook lid is closed
[12:33] <nbusrone> BluesKaj : there is no other way to find out through a live cd booting ?
[12:33] <theafricanp3ngui> Now the issue is any video chat application installed (e.g. Google hangout or meeting) cannot share a specific monitor
[12:35] <theafricanp3ngui> share the screen during video conference either gives the option to share a particular application window or the entire desktop which combines the two monitors and makes viewing very small
[12:35] <BluesKaj> nbusrone, there might be a method , but I don't know what it could be
[12:36] <theafricanp3ngui> Has anybody been able to get sharing a single monitor in a dual or more monitor setup
[12:46] <BluesKaj> nbusrone, in my experience an OS must be running in order to list it's libs or packages etc
[13:06] <yomm>  /join #gdm
[13:14] <scootergrisen> Where does xubuntu gets its translated strings from if not from /usr/share/applications/gnome.sudoku.desktop? I see translated strings in the fil but in the menu i see the english strings
[13:32] <xstreuner> Hi everyone. I have a problem (I'm on Kubuntu 17.10) with akonadi_control: immediatly after I do the login appears a windows saying that the app crashed http://paste.ubuntu.com/26049644/
[13:58] <Neo3> I create virtual hosts on apache expemple.com and test.com
[13:58] <Neo3> and put there ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:58] <Neo3> this is screen http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1511704603.png
[13:58] <Neo3> In browser type expemple.com and can't access the site
[13:58] <Neo3> What is wrong here?
[13:59] <EriC^^> everything
[13:59] <Neo3> Seems url should be <IP_ADDRESS>, but on this guide whote <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:59] <Neo3> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-16-04
[14:00] <Neo3> EriC^^: read that guide, there wrote ip <IP_ADDRESS>, why not <IP_ADDRESS>?
[14:01] <Neo3> and I can't change apache files from desctop, file is accessible only for reading
[14:02] <ducasse> !permissions | Neo3 read this
[14:04] <Neo3> ducasse: see http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1511705042.png
[14:05] <Neo3> I need to run file manager with admin permission for edit files
[14:11] <Neo3> what is here happens?
[14:11] <Neo3> We're installing app that will open noutilus as administrator?
[14:11] <Neo3> http://www.noobslab.com/2017/04/open-as-rootadministrator-add-powerful.html
[14:13] <atdprhs> Guys, it's not possible to hibernate with Secure Boot enabled?
[14:15] <LyzardKing> Hi! I have an issue with the launchpad build. It was supposed to finish in 10 minutes, but it's been three hours...
[14:16] <ducasse> atdprhs: https://askubuntu.com/questions/764437/can-not-make-hibernate-on-uefi-secure-boot#775707
[14:16] <LyzardKing> Is the delay only because of the build score? The time goes from 11 to 9 minutes, then back to 11
[14:17] <ducasse> LyzardKing: try #launchpad
[14:18] <EriC^^> atdprhs: sure it is
[14:18] <Neo3> I need fast seen path to some files, how to do it? file test.com.conf doesn't work
[14:20] <atdprhs> alright, thanks guys
[14:20] <atdprhs> Enjoy your day/night
[14:20] <darkdragon-001> I want to contribute to apt-btrfs-snapshot. How do I do this?
[14:23] <LyzardKing> ducasse: I tried to ask the same question there, thanks!
[14:29] <LyzardKing> No answer atm...The repo build is now at 15 minutes
[14:38] <ducasse> darkdragon-001: 'apt show apt-btrfs-snapshot', see who the maintainer is and contact them
[14:41] <AvidWolf43> hi
[14:50] <darkdragon-001> ducasse: what's usually the best way to do so? email?
[14:55] <ducasse> darkdragon-001: probably, at least in this case.
[15:16] <pinkisntwell> what's the connection between /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf?
[15:17] <pinkisntwell> I see that /etc/network/interfaces has one nameserver for each interface but /etc/resolv.conf does not mention interfaces
[15:19] <soul-less> Hi. I'm using XUbuntu 16.04 at work. We'll soon upgrade our computers and that's a nice timing to switch our linux distro. I've installed Ubuntu 17.10 on a virtual machine at home for the sake of testing. I'm happy at the moment if it weren't for some window behavior. It seems I'm not able to maximize/minimize some window (the options are grayed out). Do I have to expect such kind of misbehavior to disappear in the next
[15:19] <soul-less> following months ?
[15:21] <Neo3> dpkg and apt and apt-get is equal? We can use everything?
[15:21] <Neo3> we can use every?
[15:21] <soul-less> Neo3, apt and apt-get are the same executable. dpkg is not.
[15:22] <Neo3> if I load file with .deb I should run it use dpkg?
[15:22] <soul-less> Yes
[15:22] <Neo3> well
[15:23] <soul-less> Well, I suppose so as .deb stand as 'debian' and dpkg is debian package manager. Maybe apt can do it too as it's an higher level package manager.
[15:23] <soul-less> I'd advice to try apt first and then dpkg in case of no success.
[15:23] <Neo3> it do only with errors, can't find something
[15:23] <leftyfb> soul-less: apt and apt-get are not the same executable but are part of the same package
[15:24] <Neo3> better for .deb use dpkg
[15:24] <Neo3> for .deb packages
[15:25] <joe_alf> Hi, I have problem with swapfile for latest Ubuntu 17.10 with encrypted home folder. Command "swapon --all --verbose" shows error http://paste.ubuntu.com/26050481/
[15:26] <Neo3> I've managed to install teamviewer
[15:26] <joe_alf> But /swapfile exist
[15:27] <soul-less> leftyfb, to be correct apt is a package containing most commonly used apt-get & apt-cache commands. So when you do `apt install` or `apt-get install`, there won't be a single difference (feature speaking).
[15:27] <leftyfb> incorrect
[15:28] <skinux_> I need some help. I've been trying to be able to connect to a Windows share using Ubuntu, so far with no luck.
[15:28] <soul-less> Well, teach me because I just read something to confirm that.
[15:28] <leftyfb> apt and apt-get are different binaries and will do things slightly differently. The end result is the same, the package gets installed. But They are different applications used to achieve the same goal.
[15:29] <leftyfb> apt is the package which contains apt-get, apt-cache and the newer apt binary which is the successor to apt-get.
[15:30] <leftyfb> though of course those aren't the only binaries/files the apt package contains
[15:30] <soul-less> Well, I'll agree to that, that doesn't change much to what I understood prior this conversation; it's more correct, all the better.
[15:31] <soul-less> Back to Neo3, is your problem solved ?
[15:31] <leftyfb> soul-less: I guess the take-away here is, apt is a binary that is part of the apt package and the successor to the apt-get binary.
[15:32] <Gaming4JC> skinux_: https://www.linux.com/blog/mounting-windows-share-ubuntu-1404  -- let us know where you get stuck at.
[15:32] <Neo3> soul-less: yes, I was installing teamviewer, there .deb
[15:32] <Neo3> and there I noticed differ pathes, / and ~/
[15:32] <Neo3> in terminal
[15:33] <soul-less> Oh yeah, these are not the same path at all indeed.
[15:33] <leftyfb> Neo3: after using dpkg to install the teamviewer .deb package, you'll need to run: sudo apt-get install -f
[15:33] <Neo3> sudo apt-get install -f -y
[15:33] <Neo3> there was with -y too
[15:33] <Neo3> -f means install lack file
[15:34] <leftyfb> sure, though be careful with that. -y means answer yes to ANY changes it's going to do.
[15:34] <joe_alf> Output of /etc/crypttab -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26050534/ points to /target/swapfile which does not exist then I tried to edit /etc/crypttab and replace /target/swapfile with /swapfile but after reboot I got swap which is active but ignore. How can I fix my swapfile?
[15:34] <soul-less> Isn't the OS able to handle .dev packages without user typing commands ? I'm pretty sure I installed .dev packages by double clicking them.
[15:34] <Neo3> I won't remember all this
[15:34] <soul-less> .deb*
[15:34] <ducasse> Neo3: for .deb packages use 'sudo apt install /path/to/package.deb' to handle dependencies  automatically
[15:34] <leftyfb> -f means fix your packaging which usually means install dependencies or remove broken packages
[15:35] <Neo3> ducasse: ok
[15:35] <leftyfb> soul-less: referring to .deb files, not .dev, yes. Doubleclicking them will attempt to install them. But it's preferred to use the terminal to make sure everything goes well.
[15:35] <leftyfb> ducasse: did not know that
[15:36] <ducasse> leftyfb: one of the differences between apt and apt-get, like you mentioned above :)
[15:36] <leftyfb> ducasse: and does apt support that functionality yet?
[15:36] <Neo3> and all linux has their own repositories? Seems apt rep is differ than dkkg...
[15:37] <soul-less> leftyfb, well I'm not fond of advising lambda users to type commands, I want them to feel the OS as user friendly as possible. But I guess not lambda user is present on this irc channel.
[15:37] <Neo3> or rep is common for all OS?
[15:37] <ducasse> leftyfb: at least in 17.04+, i think 16.04 as well
[15:38] <Neo3> probably it's common, because load app to each repository take much time
[15:39] <ducasse> Neo3: dpkg does not handle repositories, that's the job of apt. and other distributions use their own repos.
[15:41] <Neo3> ducasse: it's package manager
[15:41] <Neo3> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dpkg.html
[15:42] <ducasse> Neo3: yes, i know what dpkg is
[15:42] <Neo3> cannot automatically install packages and dependences
[15:42] <skinux_> What is it called when you create an installable ISO of a system, including not only the OS system, but all software and files (including doc/share files)?
[15:43] <Gaming4JC> skinux_: recoverable backup?
[15:44] <funkster> trying to replace a new line with: cat test | sed -e 's/\n/test123/' that doesn't work but if i type the same in vi, it does work. seems it cant find the newline. what do I need to do differently?
[15:45] <Kanov> i have xubuntu installed on some computer of mine which is of the version 16.04.2, i haven't updated it since a very long time, maybe even since a year. should i just type in "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to perform the upgrade?
[15:45] <Kanov> has anything of a profound nature happened since i last updated, which would require me to do something else also
[15:46] <Gaming4JC> funkster: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1251999/how-can-i-replace-a-newline-n-using-sed
[15:46] <ducasse> Kanov: that should work. you will get the latest hwe stack, newer kernel and x11 (plus all other updates)
[15:46] <Neo3> sudo apt-get update not always work, try both apt update than apt-get update and upgrade too
[15:46] <soul-less> funkster vi doesn't use the same regex flavour as sed.
[15:47] <Neo3> with me not always update work, Sometimes it starts work after apt upgrade or apt update
[15:47] <funkster> soul-less: gotcha.. any suggested method?
[15:47] <Kanov> ducasse: OK so I guess the only command I'd need is "apt dist-upgrade" for this. i was a bit worried since it's been a long time since i last updated
[15:48] <funkster> need to do the equivalent of s/\n/[A-Z][A-Z]/ on a file.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> skinux_, systemback is one
[15:49] <ducasse> Kanov: either 'apt dist-upgrade' or 'apt full-upgrade' - they're aliases (but the latter more appropriately named, imo)
[15:49] <soul-less> funkset: what's your goal ? I wouldn't use vi to change newline characters from inside (it interprets such characters !).
[15:50] <funkster> soul-less: that is my goal, i need to do equivalent of:  sed -e 's/\n/test123/'
[15:50] <funkster> soul-less: actually..  s/\n/[A-Z][A-Z]/
[15:50] <ducasse> Neo3: if apt-get update doesn't work that suggests a problem on your end
[15:51] <Neo3> ducasse: if it doesn't, I do apt update, if it also doesn't I do apt get upgrade, and then do apt-get update and all work good
[15:51] <soul-less> funkset: Is your goal to do it with the editor or to modify the file ? (You could use -i option of sed to modify the file, or use a dedicated tool such as the command `tr`)
[15:52] <skinux_> Routers provide the benefits of NEtwork Intrusion Detection Systems built-in, right? So, an IDS software installed on a WLAN computer is just an added benefit?
[15:52] <scootergrisen> Can i get help for xubuntu here also?
[15:52] <Neo3> ducasse: it's have problem from I installed it, Grub doesn't work correct, sometimes it lost focus and I arrows don't work
[15:52] <funkster> soul-less: the sed command doesn't work.. that's why i'm here.
[15:53] <soul-less> funkster: I just tested with vim and it seems to work correct :%s,\n,test123,g
[15:53] <Neo3> ducasse: and when I installed I couldn't install any app from ubuntu software center, had deleted it and then all started work well
[15:53] <Neo3> I reinstalled
[15:53] <funkster> soul-less: did you read my message? i said it works in vim but not with sed command.
[15:54] <Neo3> ducasse: seems I installed broken ubuntu from start, I put it on USB flash that had files...
[15:55] <soul-less> funkster I didn't read correctly, my bad.
[15:55] <ducasse> skinux_: a router does not necessarily have ids built-in, but this is more a question for ##networking or ##security
[15:55] <funkster> soul-less: no prob, yes any soultion where i can use sed would be perfect or another command.
[15:56] <Neo3> but its doesn't mater were there files or not if there were files with equal names they all were overwrited and it couldn't influent on installation
[15:57] <soul-less> funkster so you want to replace the newline character with an arbitrary string using a command ?
[15:57] <funkster> yes
[15:58] <funkster> s/[A-Z][A-Z]/\n/
[15:58] <funkster> along those lines
[16:00] <soul-less> sed ':a;N;$!ba;s/\n/replacementstring/g' file
[16:00] <soul-less> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1251999/how-can-i-replace-a-newline-n-using-sed
[16:01] <soul-less> If you want to do something more complex, I'd suggest using an awk script.
[16:02] <funkster> what does it :a;N;$!ba; part mean?
[16:03] <zteam> Hi! I just bought a 4K TV yesterday, is there any way to clone your mainscreen (1920 x 1080P) to my 4K TV with 4096 x 2160P?
[16:04] <saitoh183> hi
[16:05] <zteam> I don't like extended screen too much :-/
[16:05] <saitoh183> where are all the possible locations for systemd to save service files? because i have a service that launches under 3 different user each time it boots and i cant seem to find it
[16:05] <BluesKaj> zteam, cloning won't show in the reolution your 4k is capable of
[16:06] <BluesKaj> resolution
[16:06] <zteam> BluesKaj, exactly, but what to do instead?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> find a source that is recorded or braodcast in 4k/ 4096 x 2160
[16:08] <ducasse> zteam: you can either display 1080p on your tv or use extended mode
[16:08] <BluesKaj> there's nopoint trying upscale 1920x1080 , it'll still be 1920x108 your 4k
[16:08] <BluesKaj> on your 4k
[16:14] <zteam> BluesKaj, okey, thanks
[16:14] <ducasse> zteam: which desktop are you using?
[16:14] <zteam> ducasse, Gnome 3
[16:15] <ducasse> zteam: then be aware that according to the gnome devs, gnome 3 is neither tested on or developed for multi-monitor setups. you might be happier with something different.
[16:16] <soul-less> ducasse: Really ? That's a big let down !
[16:17] <zteam> ducasse, okey, it worked quite well with my old TV, but that one was set to mirror my primary screen
[16:17] <ducasse> soul-less: but pretty typical of them :)
[16:18] <soul-less> ducasse: Well, we're using triple screen at work (2 stand alone monitors + laptop) with XUbuntu and I must say the multi screen support is awful. I'd be surprise if gnome 3 is worst.
[16:20] <akik> quite amazing to hear about the multi monitor setups. like they wouldn't want to target the professional setting
[16:20] <zteam> Is there any easy way to make gdm use my primary screen (selected as regular user in gnome screen settings), right now it shows gdm on my TV)
[16:20] <ducasse> soul-less: i have three screens myself (desktop), and i use i3 much since it handles them better than anything else i've tried.
[16:21] <zteam> brb
[16:23] <BluesKaj> zteam needs a gpu capable of 4k output
[16:24] <alkisg> zteam: here's a xorg.conf that selects a primary monitor (so that gdm will show to the correct one), and sets the preferred mode for another monitor (so that your 4k TV is automatically a 1920x1080 clone of your main monitor): http://paste.debian.net/997692/
[16:24] <alkisg> You don't need to configure the DE then (if you're using xorg and not wayland, that is...)
[16:24] <BluesKaj> alkisg, save your breath, he left
[16:25] <cristian_c> alkisg: about grub error messages, I don't know if I should reinstall grub or crrate a new /boot
[16:25] <alkisg> BluesKaj: he said brb and he's here now
[16:25] <BluesKaj> ok, did n't show him join here
[16:25] <alkisg> cristian_c: about the tablet? well, first of all I don't know why you need a separate boot at all...
[16:26] <zteam> alkisg, thanks, but I would like it in 4K, but I guess just need to change the resolution to 4K there right?
[16:26] <soul-less> ducasse: never thought of searching a software to handle the multi screen.  My main problem is that we often move with the laptop to have meeting, thus disconnecting the standalone displays and when connecting the laptop back after the meeting, the configuration is never right. I tried scripting something with xrandr but the script broke for I don't know what reason.
[16:26] <alkisg> zteam: no, clone doesn't work with different resolutions, it's extended monitor then
[16:27] <alkisg> zteam: if you want extended monitor, you can only use the "primary" section of the xorg.conf that I sent
[16:28] <cristian_c> alkisg: I've not found issues during boot separating partitions
[16:28] <zteam> okey, thanks,, quite hard to belive the gnome devs overlooked that as a graphical option :-)
[16:28] <alkisg> gnome isn't related, that's plain xorg
[16:29] <zteam> is there any reason why wayland is disabled on the Nvidia driver btw?
[16:29] <alkisg> It's possible to use 0.5 scale in xrandr to use different resolutions, but it's rarely used, I don't know how many applications will have issues with that
[16:30] <zteam> alkisg, yeah, but thet should provide a GUI to set the primary screen with :-)
[16:30] <alkisg> cristian_c: you just found an issue, your grub.cfg has 2 uuids there, your /boot and your /. Something went wrong in either automatically or manually updating it.
[16:30] <alkisg> zteam: afaik they do, it's the display settings dialog, and they have a button "apply globally" there
[16:30] <cristian_c> alkisg: I talk about before backuppig it
[16:30] <cristian_c> *backupping
[16:31] <alkisg> cristian_c: sure, I get it. No benefit though.
[16:31] <cristian_c> backup/restore
[16:31] <alkisg> zteam: although I don't know if it works with wayland or in recent ubuntu versions etc, I'm using mate nowadays.
[16:31] <cristian_c> alkisg: strange thing: system works when in chroot
[16:32] <alkisg> Eh, chroots don't boot with grub, so that statement doesn't really make sense
[16:32] <cristian_c> and if I can manually make grub menu appearing by grub shell, I could think boot is damaged, or grub.cfg or some fikes
[16:32] <cristian_c> files
[16:33] <cristian_c> but I'm not sure
[16:33] <alkisg> cristian_c: did you manage to boot it with configfile etc?
[16:34] <cristian_c> alkisg: as said yesterday, configfile inrub shell from live system is allowing to show grub menu
[16:34] <zteam> alkisg, I sure can't see any such button :-)
[16:34] <hsiktas> in nginx with multiple subdomains, where should I put my document root for each subdomain? still in /var/www/html/ ?
[16:34] <hsiktas> or is there an other best practice?
[16:34] <cristian_c> but if i enable the 'ubuntu' entry, those error messages appear
[16:35] <alkisg> zteam: I have it in ubuntu mate 16.04.3
[16:35] <alkisg> [Apply system-wide]
[16:35] <cristian_c> about missing grubenv, missing xzio module,, etc.....
[16:36] <alkisg> cristian_c: don't you have a backup'ed, good version of grub.cfg to use?
[16:37] <cristian_c> alkisg: no, I did a bacup of /boot partition by macrium reflects, and I restored that partition by the same
[16:38] <zteam> alkisg, if mate is using the gnome screen settins from gnome2 it's "updated" in gnome 3
[16:38] <alkisg> zteam: maybe... or maybe ubuntu removed that button back when they were using lightdm, no idea, haven't been monitoring gnome 3
[16:39] <cristian_c> alkisg: if the issue is related to damaged boot partition (or files included inside it), I could crrate a new boot partotion
[16:40] <zteam> cristian_c, not sure what problem you are having, but since it seems to grub related have you tried boot-repair that utility has been fixing my grub2 issues, with a single click
[16:40] <cristian_c> if the issue is related to damaged grub, I cpul reinstall grub into efi partition
[16:41] <cristian_c> zteam: uhm , I don't know if it's a grub problem side. in past , I've rest0red grub (after windows 10 installation) using chroot way in live system
[16:42] <cristian_c> but after I upgraded from 17.04 to 17.10, I've lost bash history in my home directory
[16:42] <Neo3> what is this Nginx?
[16:42] <Neo3> it's like apache web server?
[16:43] <cristian_c> !info nginx
[16:43] <Neo3> I thought it is OS as ubunty
[16:43] <Neo3> !info apache
[16:43] <zteam> cristian_c, bash history has nothing to do with grub (unless you are trying to replay a command to restore grub)
[16:44] <Neo3> Why need Nginx? I saw it on some sites when did analyze
[16:44] <cristian_c> zteam: you0re right, live system doesn't store terminal commands, obvipusly
[16:45] <Neo3> passed, it is broad theme
[16:46] <cristian_c> !unfo apache2
[16:46] <Neo3> !info apache2
[16:46] <zteam> cristian_c, not unless you made your usb stick persistent nope
[16:46] <cristian_c> yeah, sorry
[16:47] <cristian_c> zteam: bot repair could fix a damaged grub, but it couldn't fix a damaged boot (with grub.cfg)
[16:47] <cristian_c> *boot
[16:47] <cristian_c> *boot partition
[16:48] <edisonbulb> Gnome-software as packaged in the newer ubuntu distros is highly incomplete and buggy
[16:48] <Neo3> node.js, nginx, apache, all of this is web servers and probably almost equal...
[16:48] <Neo3> !info node.js
[16:49] <zteam> cristian_c, if the partition is faulty try to fix it with fsck
[16:50] <cristian_c> zteam: if it's faulty, it cpuld be a configuration issue
[16:50] <cristian_c> fsck repairs just sector and data
[16:50] <cristian_c> *sectors
[16:51] <cristian_c> zteam: I'd like to crrate a new partition
[16:51] <cristian_c> *create
[16:51] <edisonbulb> on a more constructive note, have the makers of Ubuntu ever thought of including a full-featured GUI package manager frontend such as Synaptic into the default install? (note that Synaptic is not working with 17.10 on Mir)
[16:52] <zteam> cristian_c, okey, easiest way to do that would be to using gparted
[16:52] <cristian_c> zteam: yeah, but if I create, it's empty
[16:52] <cristian_c> and not full of needed stuff in order to boot after grub
[16:54] <cristian_c> bios/efi gives control to grub -> grub gives control to /boot directory (kernels) -> real boot of ubuntu happens loading stuff in filesystem
[16:55] <zteam> cristian_c, try sudo install-grub /dev/sda1 after creating it (replacing /dev/sda1 with the correct partion of course, also maake sure to mark the partion with with bootable-flag in Gparted
[16:56] <zteam> edisonbulb, you could use aptitiude, althought it doesn't provide a real GUI, it's very useful
[16:56] <cristian_c> zteam: I tried apt install --reinstall grub some days ago, it's installed in efi fat partition
[16:57] <cristian_c> *to
[16:57] <edisonbulb> zteam: aptitude is nice
[16:57] <cristian_c> *apt install --reinatall efi-grub
[16:59] <edisonbulb> Oh wow, while looking for synaptic I found one called Lubuntu Software Center and it's really good after you enable expert mode on it :)
[17:00] <edisonbulb> *synaptic alternatives (bc of the bug)
[17:00] <zteam> cristian_c, naah.... you should try sudo install-grub (apt will only install the package for grub not the bootloader for it, since it doesn't now which device to install it to=
[17:01] <cristian_c> zteam: I've not tried grub-install command yet. Unfortunately, it has several parameters, as i.e. --boot-directory, --efi-directory, --bootloader-id, .....
[17:02] <cristian_c> bootloader-id should be the label shown in bios-efi, I suppose
[17:03] <cristian_c> when I tried that command many months ago, I tried a suchlike command, but I've lost my commands history
[17:04] <cristian_c> so, I don't remember exactly what parameters are needed i order to make the trick
[17:04] <zteam> cristian_c, my bad, try grub-install /dev/sda1
[17:04] <cristian_c> zteam: sorry, I cpuld try to use it specifying efi fat partition, I've not tried yet
[17:05] <cristian_c> but if the issue was related to boot partition insteadmof grub, it may not fix the faulty boot
[17:06] <cristian_c> another idea is just using boot repair, but it's always related to grub issues
[17:07] <zteam> cristian_c, I thought you did already tried boot-repair ?
[17:08] <cristian_c> no, in past I preferred chroot grub restore way
[17:08] <cristian_c> usually, boot repair mskes a lot of garbage into efi
[17:08] <cristian_c> and ofter it doesn't work
[17:08] <cristian_c> *often
[17:09] <edisonbulb> as a last resort you could always cp your home directory to an external drive and do a clean install
[17:09] <zteam> well, I believe boot-repair can make a backup of the files it changes too
[17:10] <cristian_c> edisonbulb: ok, but system configuration is spreaded into entire filesystem
[17:10] <cristian_c> so, I'd loose configuration created since 17.04
[17:10] <edisonbulb> cristian_c, good point :)
[17:10] <Necrosporus> is it possible to copy files from one NTFS volume to another saving all permission, alternative streams and security context, from under GNU/Linux?
[17:10] <cristian_c> edisonbulb: and I noticed system is working if I chroot from s live system
[17:11] <edisonbulb> that is a good sign
[17:11] <cristian_c> edisonbulb: I'd be happy to reset anything, but a good idea cpuld be reset just my separate /boot partition
[17:12] <cristian_c> but I don't know how to create a new one
[17:12] <edisonbulb> cristian_c, Yea, probably overkill for this situatiion lol
[17:12] <edisonbulb> *what i suggested
[17:12] <alkisg> Necrosporus: only with dd, if the target partition is larger
[17:12] <cristian_c> Necrosporus: usually, dd, but I'm not sure
[17:12] <b1s> Hello.
[17:12] <cristian_c> Necrosporus: so, wait some further feedback
[17:12] <vimart> Hi bls
[17:13] <alkisg> cristian_c:  $ dpkg -S /boot
[17:13] <alkisg> base-files, grub-ipxe, grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate, memtest86+, linux-image-4.10.0-38-generic, linux-image-4.10.0-40-generic: /boot
[17:13] <Necrosporus> Perhaps ntfsclone
[17:13] <alkisg> cristian_c: there's no "boot installer", packages put stuff in /boot, and postinst scripts
[17:13] <alkisg> cristian_c: so you'd just copy your existing files there, from old /boot to the new one
[17:13] <cristian_c> ok
[17:13] <b1s> do people talk freely here or private message to the staff rather about problems?
[17:13] <cristian_c> alkisg: my old boot is the current boot
[17:14] <edisonbulb> bls: this is a community support channel
[17:14] <alkisg> b1s: there's no staff here, only community, random people that may help you if you ask public, not in PMs
[17:14] <cristian_c> alkisg: instead, if you mean extracting files from backupped boot, I'm happy to do it
[17:14] <alkisg> cristian_c: no, I mean if you want to create a new boot for some reason that I don't know, you can, and then you'd copy your existing /boot files there
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> !support | b1s
[17:15] <edisonbulb> to get help you pretty much just ask your question and someone here will try to answer it or suggest a better way
[17:15] <alkisg> cristian_c: if you think it has bad sectors, you'd see it in dmesg
[17:15] <b1s> Ok. Well. I'm kinda looking some help, cause I'm trying to compile something with a different compiler and I'm missing some headers all the time and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong here.
[17:16] <b1s> I'm mainly missing some stuff that I have defienetly installed like jansson.h and curl.h
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> b1s: did you try finding your package on official repos first?
[17:17] <cristian_c> alkisg: I'd like to create a new /boot in case the current one is damaged
[17:17] <b1s> like with the find command?
[17:17] <cristian_c> alkisg: but I'm not sure if the damaged thing is grub or boot
[17:18] <cristian_c> *which between two ones
[17:18] <b1s> sry, I'm a bit of a noobie around linux.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> b1s: apt-cache search your-package-name
[17:18] <b1s> I'll try that
[17:18] <cristian_c> alkisg: I think also you're right abput grub.cfg, but I don't know how to repair it
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > b1s you can find packages here also
[17:19] <fabiobik> (off-topic) Hello guys, does someone recommend me a video interview service online?
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> !ot | fabiobik try here mate
[17:19] <b1s> it did find them
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> b1s: we reccomend installing packages for ubuntu tru official repos, instead of compiling your own
[17:20] <cristian_c> alkisg: about dmesg, do you mean from a live system?
[17:20] <fabiobik> lotuspsychje: thanks
[17:21] <b1s> I think I did just that.
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> !apt | b1s here to install guide
[17:23] <alkisg> cristian_c: sure, as long as you access the bad sectors
[17:24] <cristian_c> alkisg: I thought live session and chroot continue to use live system kernel in place of target kernel (sed by chrooted system)
[17:24] <cristian_c> but I'll try anyway
[17:25] <alkisg> cristian_c: any kernel would be able to detect bad sectors
[17:25] <cristian_c> ok
[17:25] <b1s> I dont think my problem is the actual packages, since I'm able to compile them with a different comiler.
[17:25] <b1s> *compiler
[17:26] <alkisg> cristian_c: to reinstall grub, you run dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 in the chroot, after bind-mounting proc, sys, dev, dev/pts
[17:26] <cristian_c> alkisg: it coul be also a comfoguration issue (a bad grub.cfg), I don't know, there are some options I could try (boot repair, grub-install, rrplacing boot from backup again, ....)
[17:27] <alkisg> Keep a backup and try boot repair
[17:27] <cristian_c> alkisg: ah, ok
[17:27] <cristian_c> I've not tried dpkg reconfigre yet, thanks
[17:28] <cristian_c> alkisg: some threads on askubuntu, are different about binding. Some use /dev, /run, /proc, /sys, other use /dev , /dev/pts, /proc, /sys
[17:28] <cristian_c> many use a for loop
[17:29] <cristian_c> I've tried both, in my attempts, btw
[17:30] <cristian_c> btw, thabks for the help
[17:31] <cristian_c> I'll try all of these suggestions, if needed
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !compile | b1s
[17:31] <b1s> yes I did find the packages
[17:31] <b1s> I think the problem is faulty include pointer
[17:31] <b1s> or the compiler is not looking at the right place.
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> b1s: whats your end goal exactly as package you need to compile?
[17:34] <b1s> I'm playing with parallella and I'm tryin to run some basic software with the epiphany cpu
[17:35] <b1s> I'm trying to do this with coprthr 2 and I have been able to get it working for atleast your basic "Hello world"
[17:35] <b1s> So natural next step is to try something more complicated, but I'm stuck with the path to includes I guess being somehow incorrect.
[17:36] <b1s> Maybe I should actually try to add the same includes to this hello world and see if they work there.
[17:42] <b1s> Yeah it fails in that too.
[17:46] <LeMike_> Hello. Is it possible to open a new window in a screen and execute a command in it? Within a screen, I want to execute a script, that opens several windows each with a ssh connection to my servers.
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> !cron | LeMike_
[17:47] <EriC^^> LeMike_: do you have the "screen" script that opens the ssh and makes the windows (in the same terminal i assume)
[17:47] <EriC^^> ?
[17:48] <EriC^^> oh wait, you said several windows each
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> b1s: for the compiling part, we cant really support, but do ask about ubuntu issues you experience, detailed
[17:48] <LeMike_> yee EriC^^ . Like "screen -t first-server ssh first-server" but this fails or gets stuck somewhere.
[17:49] <EriC^^> LeMike_: you could do #!/bin/bash gnome-terminal -e "screen first-server" & gnome-terminal -e "screen second-server" &
[17:50] <LeMike_> EriC^^: Thing is not every employee has gnome so I am stuck to a simple shell and thought screen could help me out here
[17:50] <EriC^^> when the ssh closes, the terminal will close (so you won't get the scrollback) if you need it just use gnome-terminal -e "bash -c 'screen first-server; bash'" &
[17:51] <EriC^^> LeMike_: if you want to open a window for each ssh then you need to run the terminal program, i'd think
[17:52] <b1s> Yeah. I get it.
[17:52] <LeMike_> hm. with window I mean the screen windows. That you open via keyboard "C-A, c"
[17:52] <EriC^^> LeMike_: gnome-terminal or any terminal, see the manpage on how to give it a starting command to run
[17:52] <EriC^^> LeMike_: ohh ok
[17:56] <LeMike_> EriC^^: you can also open them when you are within a screen and run "screen -t foo zsh" then you have a window with zsh open (as you see using C-a, "). But when I do the same with "ssh foo-server" then it won't give me a proper shell.
[17:56] <LeMike_> Is this even the right place to ask for it?
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: there is also #openssh if you like
[17:57] <new_to_ubuntu> Hey guys! can someone tell me how can i contribute to ubuntu and where to start?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | new_to_ubuntu
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> new_to_ubuntu: any direction you wanna start with?
[17:58] <EriC^^> LeMike_: what happens when you try? here or ##linux yeah
[17:59] <Sterist> any accurate s.m.a.r.t. programs? "Disks" seems to report hard drives of all ages and wear levels as pre-fail and old age
[17:59] <EriC^^> Sterist: did you try smartctl of smartmontools package?
[18:00] <new_to_ubuntu> thanks ubottu :D lotuspsychje no
[18:00] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: oh, wait. with "mosh" it is working o,O guess I stick to that
[18:00] <Sterist> no, please tell me they're not CLI lol
[18:00] <LeMike_> Nice, thanks all :)
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> new_to_ubuntu: we welcome you to the ubuntu community
[18:00] <new_to_ubuntu> :D
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: are you on unity?
[18:01] <Sterist> negative.
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-disk-utility | Sterist
[18:03] <EriC^^> Sterist: it's cli but it's just a command you run and it gives the output in a nice format
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: the tools EriC^^ provided are more advanced to what you need
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: so recommended the cli way
[18:05] <Sterist> right. installing now
[18:08] <Sterist> do you know the command offhand?
[18:08] <erle-> Are there any tips to improve Gnome performance in Virtualbox? (Guest Additions are installed and working.)
[18:08] <erle-> The flash when pressing the Screenshot key is incredibly slow, halting the system for seconds.
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> erle-: to improve virtual, tweak your physical system
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | erle-
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> erle-: more ram, ssd,swap,system cleaning,etc
[18:10] <erle-> it has 4 GB (host has 8), i7 etc.
[18:10] <erle-> with other Desktops it works perfectly
[18:10] <erle-> the problem can be reduced to video acceleration
[18:11] <erle-> (Mate has no problems whatsoever)
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> erle-: your on 17.10?
[18:11] <erle-> yes
[18:11] <erle-> I am specifically asking about Gnome Shell
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> erle-: wayland or xorg?
[18:11] <erle-> because it requires advanced video
[18:11] <erle-> VBox guest can only Xorg
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> erle-: well in my case gnome eats alot of cpu in htop
[18:12] <Sterist> should smartctl be ran as sudo?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> !man | Sterist
[18:12] <erle-> CPU is not the problem at all, lotuspsychje
[18:14] <erle-> the exact same Guest has no problems with Mate Desktop
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> erle-: mate is lightweight, gnome is not really right
[18:14] <erle-> same problem on all hosts (Windows/Linux, Nvidia/Intel graphics, Wayland/Xorg)
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> erle-: wich graphics chipset your on?
[18:16] <erle-> three hosts:
[18:16] <Sterist> ugh I really hate CLI
[18:16] <erle-> 1st: windows+i7+8GB+intelgraphics
[18:16] <erle-> 2nd:  linux+i7+16GB+intelgraphics+wayland
[18:17] <erle-> 3rd: linux+phenom2+16GB+nividia+xorg
[18:17] <ducasse> Sterist: some options require sudo and some don't, iirc
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: sudo smartctl -i /dev/sdc (your drive letter here)
[18:18] <Sterist> sda
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> erle-: with those specs, should run virtual fine, so i guess the intel graphics are bottleneck?
[18:20] <Sterist> got it, sudo was needed. seems smartctl reports exactly the same as "Disks" with everything either pre-fail or old age, when almost no values are anywhere near bad ranges and no errors
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> erle-: drivers & systems up to date to latest?
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: tell us why you think you have bad sectors?
[18:20] <Sterist> both on my 8 year old HDD and 6 month old SSD
[18:21] <Sterist> I don't have any reason to believe I do or don't have bad sectors, it's just odd that the prognosis is always the same regardless of drive
[18:22] <erle-> lotuspsychje, no, the problem is Virtualbox alone
[18:22] <erle-> natively, Gnome runs fine on all of them
[18:22] <erle-> the virtual video acceleration is the problem
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> erle-: perhaps the #vbox guys might know some usefull tweaks?
[18:22] <Sterist> raw values appear to be read correctly, but the diagnosis seems to have no regard for values
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[18:24] <Sterist> for example, "read error rate" of 0 somehow equates to "pre-fail"
[18:24] <Sterist> absolutely bonkers! lol
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: for more detailed information about hardware, you can try also ##hardware those guys are specialized
[18:25] <Sterist> good to know! thank you :)
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: for more info about ubuntu and packages, feel free to ask here
[18:35] <pennTeller> Guys do you know how to improve the thumb rejection in a trackpad? I would like to rest my thumb on the trackpad and still be able to move the pointer with my index finger like in Mac Os
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> pennTeller: this what you looking for? https://askubuntu.com/questions/931761/how-to-fix-palm-rejection-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[18:46] <spq> hi, how can i switch back to /etc/network/interfaces in 17.10 ?
[18:47] <pennTeller> lotuspsychje, thank you. It is very close to what I need yes
[18:47] <spq> (or otherwise, can i use systemd-network or netplan to create tun/tap interfaces)
[18:48] <spq> (if i can do that in netplan, then i also need to be able to configure an ethernet interface to have a direct peer and not a netmask)
[18:50] <ikonia> spq: it should work if you just use it, there have been persistent on / off bugs conflicting with network manager for all ubuntu's time using it, I normally find it better to disable network manager IF you're not planning to use it, but that is just a personal thing
[18:50] <ikonia> keep in mind that network manager also interacts with things like dnsmasq
[18:50] <ikonia> spq: I thought current network manager version would support tun devices ?
[18:51] <spq> ikonia: it is for a server, so no nwmgr
[18:51] <ikonia> spq:....then why do you think the interface file is not working ?
[18:52] <spq> ikonia: there is no ifupdown
[18:52] <spq> and not /etc/network/interfaces file
[18:52] <spq> -t
[18:52] <ikonia> spq: it's managed via systemd now is it not ?
[18:53] <spq> i don't know, ubuntu changed stuff, the web says me, we should use netplan now but i doubt it has all the equired features
[19:44] <apb1963>  ubuntu 16.04 LTS: setup bind9 to be authoritative, but it's not authoritative - I'm having several issues.  The first one that needs resolving is what dig says: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 2222  named.conf.options here: https://pastebin.com/TCvvkwCV
[19:58] <ikonia> apb1963: you need to explain the problem a little more detailed
[20:06] <Tenacious-Techhu> How do I set xdg-settings for all users?
[20:08] <apb1963> ikonia, I'm pretty sure all the details are there... what else would you like to know?
[20:09] <ikonia> apb1963: setup bind to be authorive, but it's not...., you're getting a refusal for querys, but you're not stating what you're looking up and against what instance, eg: the command you are running
[20:09] <ikonia> apb1963: you're also not showing the logs to show us what bind thinks is happening
[20:11] <ikonia> also is 192.168/24 a valid option, should it not be a true cidr block, of <IP_ADDRESS>./24
[20:12] <ikonia> should you not be using the ACL name rather than the subnet too? is that not why you defined the ACL ?
[20:13] <EriC^^> Tenacious-Techhu: how are you setting it for 1 user?
[20:15] <apb1963> ikonia, I was wondering about the cidr block myself, I copied it; I suspect it defaults to 0 when not specified.  However... it's a good thing to check to be sure.
[20:17] <apb1963> ikonia, I changed it... no difference in results.
[20:22] <apb1963> ikonia, The additional details you requested: https://pastebin.com/8uLdkjhz
[20:37] <Tenacious-Techhu> EriC^^, when I do "xdg-settings set <whatever>", it seems to only apply to that one user; it doesn't apply to other users, for some reason.
[20:41] <Cheguacamole> excuse me i'm fairly new, can someone please teach me the ignore command, someone is driving me nuts on an unregulated channel
[20:42] <EriC^^> Cheguacamole: /ignore nick
[20:42] <Cheguacamole> sweet ty kindly
[20:43] <MrJones> my crontab -e doesn't run, what can I do about it? the syslog has mentions for various cron scripts but not any @daily entries apart from popularity-contest so I suspect it isn't even attempted to run for some reason
[20:43] <MrJones> is there some obvious reason why crontab -e for root wouldn't be run by default?
[20:43] <EriC^^> MrJones: type "crontab -l | nc termview.me 9999"
[20:43] <EriC^^> MrJones: type "sudo crontab -l | nc termview.me 9999"
[20:44] <MrJones> doesn't that pipe it in plain text to some bogus internet service?
[20:44] <EriC^^> not bogus internet service, it's a legitimate pastebin for helping others
[20:45] <MrJones> EriC^^: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/jJn96P1blEw4D1Sdzf2Lig
[20:46] <MrJones> when I just paste /bin/bash /srv/proxy-restart.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 into my terminal and press enter it works as intended
[20:47] <MrJones> and syslog mentions hourly and even weekly: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/rigZ2gxbzzhafClyq1kpyA but no mention of daily except for popularity-contest (which seems to be an unrelated preinstalled script)
[20:47] <MrJones> which makes me suspect that the crontab -e contents aren't even properly put into whatever central thing they need to be put to run daily
[20:48] <MrJones> or some other obvioous thing I might have missed that needs enabling first
[20:48] <EriC^^> MrJones: try sudo grep CRON /var/log/syslog
[20:49] <tacomaster> I am having issues with speeds on a intel centrino ultimate-n 6300 under linux and wanted to see if anyone can help me out. Its been a while since it has been in my laptop running ubuntu but it was running at over 100Mbps but now I cant get it over 34Mbps. Trying to see if there is any tweaking I can do for this?
[20:50] <MrJones> EriC^^: same output minus the last line Nov 26 21:44:47 Ubuntu-1704-zesty-64-minimal crontab[32552]: (root) LIST (root)
[20:50] <tacomaster> I have found that it uses the iwlwifi driver
[20:51] <EriC^^> MrJones: what about ls -l /var/spool/crontab/root; cat /var/spool/crontab/root ?
[20:52] <MrJones> EriC^^: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/Mex9l7OeaV4sVXeojyIwiw
[20:52] <MrJones> (I corrected the path to the existing /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root )
[20:53] <EriC^^> the permissions look fine, maybe it just hasn't run yet?
[20:53] <EriC^^> did you try "* * * * * /bin/bash ...." as a test?
[20:54] <EriC^^> that should run every minute
[20:58] <necrogami> Anyone have any idea how to disable the popup for display arrangement when 17.10 detects a new display attached?
[20:58] <necrogami> It keeps killing my triple monitor setup by putting it to mirror or laptop display only or external only whenever it comes out of sleep mode
[20:58] <MrJones> EriC^^: I tried */5 * * * * now, it should run in <2 minutes
[20:59] <MrJones> every minute might be a bad idea, it's not the fastest job and it'll probably break oddly if it runs in parallel
[20:59] <necrogami> Also does anyone have any idea how to prevent gpu-manager from killing my xorg.conf on EVERY reboot
[21:00] <Tenacious-Techhu> EriC^^, how do I get it to apply across all users?
[21:01] <akik> necrogami: you can set the config file immutable so it doesn't change
[21:02] <necrogami> if i do that it won't boot
[21:03] <MrJones> EriC^^: it appeared in /var/log/syslog now, so I guess that's progress.. it doesn't look like it actually ran properly tho :-/
[21:03] <EriC^^> Tenacious-Techhu: i couldn't find a 'proper' way on google, an idea i had was to add it to /etc/profile as xdg-settings set ... (that file gets run as every user logs in)
[21:03] <Ben64> MrJones: take out the redirect
[21:04] <necrogami> akik: it crashes on starting session / starting nvidia something ... i can't remember exactly i'd have to set it reboot, and then reboot into recovery to fix
[21:04] <Tenacious-Techhu> EriC^^, is there something that can be done to the skel about it?
[21:04] <akik> necrogami: what is gpu-manager used for? can you disable it?
[21:05] <necrogami> i've commented out the /etc/init/ file .. honestly i don't know what else is caling it.
[21:05] <necrogami> akik: ^
[21:05] <EriC^^> Tenacious-Techhu: /etc/profile is nicer cause it works for many shells i think
[21:06] <MrJones> Ben64: same result (appears in syslog but script didn't work), but syslog says this additional line now: (No MTA installed, discarding output)
[21:06] <EriC^^> MrJones: define didn't work
[21:07] <MrJones> EriC^^: it restarts a service and I can see by checking the service uptime that it didn't restart
[21:07] <MrJones> when I run it manually, everything works as intended
[21:07] <Ben64> probably bad script then
[21:07] <EriC^^> MrJones: do you have a > /tmp/cronlog 2>&1 at the end of the line?
[21:07] <MrJones> no I removed all redirects now since Ben64 asked me to
[21:07] <EriC^^> if not add one and check the file after it runs
[21:07] <akik> necrogami: try disabling gpu-manager and see if it's needed
[21:08] <necrogami> That's the problem, i can't disable it because i can't find what's calling it
[21:09] <akik> necrogami: if it's systemd in 17.10, then systemctl disable service
[21:10] <apb1963> MTA = Mail Transfer Agent
[21:10] <MrJones> jesus
[21:10] <MrJones> it's that bs again
[21:10] <Tenacious-Techhu> EriC^^, I'm not sure what you mean; how is what is in "/etc/profile" at all a replacement for the skel?
[21:10] <MrJones> EriC^^: /usr/local/bin is not in $PATH for cron, that's why it didn't work >.>
[21:10] <MrJones> I forgot that can happen
[21:10] <Ben64> yep
[21:10] <Ben64> always use full paths
[21:11] <MrJones> why is it like that anyway? that's not the first time that bites me ._.
[21:11] <Ben64> it's a different environment
[21:11] <MrJones> yes but why does it have to be stupid :|
[21:11] <MrJones> anyway, thanks a lot for the help
[21:11] <EriC^^> Tenacious-Techhu: /etc/skel/ gets copied to the user home dir when you create a user, /etc/profile gets run every time a user log ins, and supports many shells
[21:12] <MrJones> hm
[21:12] <MrJones> but I take it @daily isn't supported either then?
[21:12] <MrJones> since that didn't show up in syslog unlike */5 * * * *
[21:12] <MrJones> I guess I can rewrite using the * notation, I just find the @ things more readable
[21:12] <EriC^^> MrJones: it should be, it might not have run yet, you can use "0 0 * * *" instead of @daily if you want
[21:13] <MrJones> EriC^^: no it hasn't turned up in the syslog for a couple of days
[21:13] <MrJones> so it's definitely something else than just a lack of waiting time
[21:13] <Tenacious-Techhu> EriC^^, I asked about the skel because I was wondering if there was a way to make new users have the correct xdg-settings.
[21:14] <EriC^^> Tenacious-Techhu: i know
[21:17] <necrogami> akik: this is what happens when I disabled gpu-manager or set xorg.conf immutable https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/UG88tWEddanSEBmMnsQdMpJ3SMFspphTtKEogxIjZW1
[21:21] <akik> necrogami: sorry, maybe someone else knows how to fix it
[21:22] <akik> necrogami: i had gpu-manager on 14.04 and disabling it didn't cause that kind of problem
[21:23] <akik> necrogami: does it remove the config also if you put it into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
[21:26] <necrogami> Not tired that but I'm trying to run my whole config
[21:27] <akik> necrogami: yes it can also be in one file under xorg.conf.d
[21:28] <necrogami> akik: xorg.conf.d does not exist
[21:29] <akik> necrogami: yes. create it
[21:30] <necrogami> What permissions should it have?
[21:30] <akik> necrogami: just normal directory 755, file 644
[21:34] <Tenacious-Techhu> EriC^^, then is it something that can be done in the skel somewhere, or not?
[21:35] <necrogami> akik: copying my backup xorg.conf to xorg.conf.d/mine.conf causes the same error as before
[21:35] <akik> necrogami: and you enabled the gpu-manager service again?
[21:36] <necrogami> it was disabled
[21:36] <necrogami> i re-enabled rebooted same
[21:36] <necrogami> i removed the mine.conf
[21:36] <necrogami> rebooted and it was fine
[21:39] <akik> necrogami: so now you're back in square one and everything works?
[21:40] <necrogami> yep
[21:44] <brym> anyone have any tips for a corrupted package cache in 16.04.3?
[21:45] <EriC^^> brym: rm the list and run apt update?
[21:46] <brym> EriC^^: tried. results in more corrupted error messages.
[21:46] <EriC^^> you ran sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* ?
[21:47] <EriC^^> and ../lists/partial/* ?
[21:47] <brym> ah, nope. not the whole lot. i'll do that now
[21:48] <Bashing-om> brym: try as ' sudo rm -fr /var/lib/apt/lists ; sudo mkdir -pv /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; sidp apt update ' .
[21:49] <Bashing-om> sudo*
[21:52] <codevisionary> hi
[21:54] <codevisionary> 1102 users, 0 active?
[21:54] <codevisionary> nice.
[21:55] <spq> is äsystemd the right place to ask systemd-networkd specific questions or should i ask here?
[21:55] <brym> lies. at least 4 active in the last 10 minutes ;)
[21:58] <codevisionary> ah.
[21:58] <akik> !ask
[21:58] <codevisionary> where do you get stats?
[21:59] <oerheks> stats of what? http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[22:00] <codevisionary> of how mnay users are active?
[22:00] <codevisionary> many*
[22:00] <akik> codevisionary: we're active. do you have a support question?
[22:01] <oerheks> mabe your irc client has a plugin for that
[22:01] <codevisionary> I actually didn't realize this was a support only channel, I apologize.
[22:03] <brym> cache updated. thanks muchly gents
[22:09] <codevisionary> is there something I can install to easily fix broken packages via command line in ubuntu?
[22:10] <codevisionary> I remember there being a simple way, but don't remember what it was
[22:10] <codevisionary> when I apt-get update, some packages aren't even found. I want to remove those as well
[22:16] <EriC^^> codevisionary: run "     (sudo apt-get update; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; tail -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*) |& nc termview.me 9999    "
[22:17] <EriC^^> codevisionary: paste the link it gives you here
[22:18] <codevisionary> http://termview.me/r6iy/
[22:19] <codevisionary> the razer stuff is for my keyboard, but recently decided to stop working.
[22:19] <codevisionary> and a couple more packages are no longer available
[22:21] <EriC^^> codevisionary: did you include the ( ) 's ?
[22:22] <QwertyChouskie> I'm having an issue with my Ubuntu laptop, the FS ends up mounted as RO instead of RW, any ideas? dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26053822/
[22:22] <codevisionary> yes.
[22:22] <QwertyChouskie> It seems /dev/sda9 is being remounted multiple times
[22:22] <QwertyChouskie> What could cause that?
[22:22] <EriC^^> codevisionary: try just "sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termview.me 9999"
[22:23] <QwertyChouskie> I can get it to finish booting by running "sudo mount --verbose -o remount,rw /"
[22:23] <QwertyChouskie> But I don't want to have to do that every boot... :/
[22:23] <codevisionary> http://termview.me/xl7r/
[22:23] <codevisionary> that is not at all what I see when I do apt-get update
[22:23] <EriC^^> QwertyChouskie: bad wire or something?
[22:23] <codevisionary> I get tons of warnings
[22:24] <QwertyChouskie> EriC^^: It's a laptop
[22:24] <EriC^^> QwertyChouskie: did you smart test the drive?
[22:24] <QwertyChouskie> And everything seems fine once I manually remount and go into the system
[22:25] <oerheks> lot of elementary-os stuff ..
[22:25] <QwertyChouskie> I'll check
[22:25] <EriC^^> codevisionary: try sudo apt-get update |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:26] <EriC^^> QwertyChouskie: try sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
[22:26] <codevisionary> http://termbin.com/edmy
[22:28] <codevisionary> it's not a really big deal but it's preventing my auto updater from running, I have to do apt-get full-upgrade every time
[22:28] <EriC^^> codevisionary: try running sudo apt-get update and manually paste the errors in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:29] <oerheks> only https://launchpad.net/~nvbn-rm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa has no xenial candidates
[22:30] <codevisionary> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26053905/
[22:30] <QwertyChouskie> EriC^^: I just used GSmartControl to run a quick self-test and it tested good
[22:31] <oerheks> oh finally, the errors
[22:32] <EriC^^> codevisionary: do you need packages from those razerutils and nvbn-rm ppa's?
[22:32] <codevisionary> no longer needing razer packages, but I'm not even sure what nvbn-rm is for?
[22:34] <codevisionary> I think it's for everpad/evernote
[22:34] <codevisionary> which I tried to install and it didn't work.
[22:35] <codevisionary> I'm afraid to purge or remove anything without accidentally destroying my system
[22:37] <EriC^^> codevisionary: you won't
[22:39] <EriC^^> codevisionary: type sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[22:39] <EriC^^> !ppa-purge | codevisionary
[22:42] <QwertyChouskie> EriC^^: Here are the potentially relevant lines: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26054014/
[22:44] <codevisionary> tyvm Eric
[22:50] <hellimod> The drone is broken
[22:51] <QwertyChouskie> EriC^^ Here are the potentially relevant lines: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26054014/
[23:06] <ksbalaji> I use 16.04. I meddled with compiz to get cube. I lost wall as well as windows gui. Now I am in prompt mode only :(. How to reconfigure display please?
[23:07] <ikonia> ksbalaji: look at the logs to find out why it's not booting the desktop
[23:07] <ikonia> fix that first
[23:08] <ksbalaji> ikonia: I get the desktop, but only unable to see windows I open.
[23:08] <ksbalaji> ikonia: How to see logs please?
[23:08] <ikonia> ksbalaji: you just said "now I@m in a prompt mode only"
[23:08] <ikonia> ksbalaji: thats quite different than geting the desktop
[23:09] <oerheks> rm  -rf ~/.compiz  ~/.config/compiz-1 # logout/login again
[23:09] <ksbalaji> ikonia: Ah! I rebooted to this prompt mode to login irssi.
[23:09] <ikonia> oerheks: a simpler approach which I feel will work better than where I was going
[23:10] <ksbalaji> ikonia: This is the only method I know of to get to chat with you.
[23:11] <ikonia> ksbalaji: what you've just said makes no sense. I've dropped out of the desktop mode to boot into the shell so I can launch irssi to talk to you
[23:11] <ikonia> ksbalaji: I suggest you follow what oerheks suggested as a quick resolution
[23:11] <uRock> Is there a meta package for installing Artful's kernel in 16.04?
[23:12] <ikonia> uRock: you don't do that
[23:12] <oerheks> uRock, no, but there is a HWE extention, not sure it gives artfull 4.13 ..
[23:12] <oerheks> !hwe
[23:13] <uRock> That's what I was looking for. Thanks oerheks
[23:14] <ksbalaji> Thanks. I shall write down the command, quit irssi, type the command and run it. Is there a way I can stay logged in irssi and also run the above command?
[23:14] <ikonia> ksbalaji: why don't you just do it from the desktop where you can have multiple shells open
[23:15] <JoshuaD> you can also press ctrl + z to suspend irssi and get back to a console. After you're run the command, you can type "fg" to resume irssi
[23:15] <uRock> oerheks, you're correct. still on 4.10*
[23:18] <necrogami> Does anyone know how to configure the display arrangement popup for a triple monitor setup? (17.10)
[23:19] <ksbalaji> ikonia: i think I am not able to state the problem to you. I have now rebooted into prompt mode to log into irssi. But, if I did a regular bootup, I land up with a desktop display where I am unable to view any application I launch. Do I make sense please?
[23:19] <ikonia> ksbalaji: no, as you said you had a desktop a minute ago,
[23:19] <ikonia> you've changed your story 3 times,
[23:19] <ikonia> ksbalaji: just run the command and you'll be fine
[23:20] <oerheks> alt f2; terminal # or ctrl alt T
[23:21] <ksbalaji> ok. I shall to get out of irssi to type that command.
[23:51] <Tenacious-Techhu> How do I modify the configuration files adduser copies when creating a new user?
[23:53] <bcowan> Tenacious-Techhu, usually they are stored in /etc/skel
[23:54] <Tenacious-Techhu> Right, but even of those areas are mostly empty, stuff is still created; where do those come from?
[23:58] <timyp> #freebsd
[23:59] <Blade2021> Hi all
[23:59] <Blade2021> got a quick question