[12:16] <maverick> guys, i was so happy feisty did easily support NTFS....wohooo
[12:17] <maverick> without the previous bugs that used to occure in edgy
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> maverick: using feisty, you know universe is enabled from the start, the end user doesn't have to enable it, therefore not having the repo added/enabled is not the issue with Jemidon's codec installation problem
[12:18] <BluesKaj> yes vzduch , it's going to be more difficult here in Canada as well. The US movie industry is threatening to delay distribution of some movie releases here... as if most ppl care , some of the crap Hollywood is putting out isn't worth copying
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: one word: transformers :D
[12:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, i heard
[12:19] <maverick> Daisuke_Ido: What do you think it could be then?!
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> maverick: i have no clue.  but i do know what it's not.
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps using another mirror?
[12:20] <maverick> well, i dunno if he's even using feisty
[12:20] <maverick> jemidon: are you using feisty?
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> from helping him last night, i know that whether or not he's using feisty, he does have universe enabled.
[12:21] <chaotic> do any of u use firefox
[12:21] <Jemidon> shoot, transformers was awesome
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> chaotic: no, just Internet Explorer
[12:21] <chaotic> rofl
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: of course, heading out to see it again shortly :P
[12:22] <chaotic> um  its just thathow do i associate .torrents with ktorrent on firefox
[12:22] <vzduch> Daisuke_Ido: yes, universe is enabled by default, but multiverse is not
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> good point
[12:24] <chaotic> does anyone kno
[12:24] <wepiha> I am having a problem getting 'Shared Rear/Line-In' working
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !info libmad0
[12:24] <ubotu> libmad0: MPEG audio decoder library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.15.1b-2.1 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 160 kB
[12:25] <maverick> jemidon: try downloading it manually from ubuntu packages website...
[12:25] <ardchoille> !news
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about news - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <phoenixz> k3b under kubuntu does not detect my DVD writer which k3b under Fedora did detect.. Anything to solve this one?
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: sudo apt-get install libmad0
[12:25] <ardchoille> I need an rss feed for Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> libxine-extracodecs depends on libmad0
[12:25] <boudewijn> chaotic: i was having that same problem with firefox. i could not get it to open torrents in ktorrent. now i simply use konqueror to open torrent sites.
[12:25] <wepiha> ardchoille: since this is the kubuntu channel. could I recommend akgregator!
[12:26] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Still having probs with libxine-extracodecs?
[12:26] <ardchoille> wepiha: I need an rss feed, not a reader.. I already use akregator
[12:26] <chaotic> theres no executable  file for ktorrent
[12:26] <wepiha> ardchoille: ok. I missunderstood ;)
[12:26] <ardchoille> wepiha: np :)
[12:27] <chaotic> ?
[12:27] <boudewijn> ?
[12:27] <boudewijn> ..   /usr/bin/ktorrent
[12:28] <ardchoille> chaotic: In a term, type: which ktorrent
[12:28] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: yep lol Dai: just running the command now
[12:28] <Jemidon> it is finished setting it up
[12:28] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Can you pastebin your sources.list? I'd be interested in seeing it.
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: now try playing an mp3.  can't promise anything, but hey :P
[12:29] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Also, xmms plays mp3's out of the box.
[12:29] <Jemidon> Daisuke: still says no mp3 support
[12:30] <chaotic> what about the ubuntu equipped firefox
[12:30] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: let me try to install xmms and see if that works, if all else fails, i could do itunes under wine? would that be a solution?
[12:30] <intelikey> i want a good shell,   not this modern bash.   something like dash with $RANDOM and command line editing.   is there any such thing ?
[12:31] <ardchoille> Jemidon: No idea, I haven't touched a Windows app in 7 years, lol
[12:31] <ardchoille> !info xmms
[12:31] <wepiha> !xmms | ardchoille
[12:31] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.2.10+20061201-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 794 kB, installed size 6304 kB
[12:31] <ubotu> ardchoille: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[12:31] <ardchoille> ubotu: Glad you could join us
[12:32] <maverick> jemidon..if amarok doesn't play mp3 none will
[12:32] <maverick> it's not in amarok it's in the codecs itself
[12:32] <boudewijn> just install xmms or audacious
[12:32] <Jemidon> actually, xmms is playing perfectly
[12:33] <ardchoille> :)
[12:33] <Jemidon> now the next question lol
[12:33] <maverick> 0.o
[12:33] <benh> grrr
[12:33] <ardchoille> Jemidon: http://xmms.org/skins.php
[12:33] <benh> so kubuntu.org doesn't have kde 3.5.7 ppc packages
[12:33] <ardchoille> xmms doesn't seem to need the mp3 codecs
[12:33] <maverick> hmm...why would amarok not play then!!
[12:33] <maverick> really?
[12:33] <maverick> xmms independent from that...!!
[12:34] <benh> grrr
[12:34] <ardchoille> or may be it has it already compiled in
[12:34] <Jemidon> hmm interesting
[12:34] <boudewijn> i never use amarok so i wouldnt now. i started it once (with dapper)  and it noticed i had no mp3 support and automaticly downloaded the codec
[12:34] <wepiha> afaik, you need amarok-xine and libmad0 to play mp3s
[12:34] <vzduch> maverick: XMMS has its own MP3 decoder
[12:34] <phoenixz> Any reason why k3b (or Kubuntu) may not detect my DVD writer as a write, but as a reader only????
[12:34] <ardchoille> vzduch: I thought so
[12:35] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Dumb question, are you sure it's a writer? I accidentally bought a dvd reader and coudln't figure out why it wouldn't write.
[12:36] <vzduch> wepiha: indeed, you need libmad0
[12:36] <vzduch> wepiha: as for the sound engine, you could as well use amarok-helix or amarok-gstreamer (don't know the exact names; I think these were the names in openSUSE)
[12:37] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Hahahah.. that would have been cool, but no, it can write.. I used to have Fedora and it worked all ok, also used k3b to write CD's and DVD;s
[12:37] <wepiha> vzduch: ok. I perfer xine, although I know little about the differences!
[12:37] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Ah, ok.. just checking
[12:37] <Jemidon> ard: well that solves that problem, i reckon i'll just use xmms from now on, as long as it has a playlist i can use
[12:37] <vzduch> wepiha: Xine is in many respects superior to the others afaik
[12:38] <ardchoille> Jemidon: It does, and there are some cool skins for it.
[12:38] <vzduch> phoenixz: is the DVD drive detected at all?
[12:38] <maverick> jemidon: xmms is like winamp in lots of aspects...
[12:38] <vzduch> phoenixz: i.e. can you read discs w/ it?
[12:39] <wepiha> I remember a while ago there used to be a sudo command to setup k3b?
[12:39] <maverick> wepiha: sudo apt-get install k3b
[12:39] <maverick> wepiha: that's what you mean?
[12:40] <wepiha> maverick: no, i mean it was a setup-k3b-devices or something to that effect
[12:40] <maverick> ooh i c..
[12:40] <ardchoille> wepiha: I think the devs took that setup and made it per-suer now.. I haven't seen that root setup in a while.
[12:40] <vzduch> maverick: I guess not.. there was a k3bsetup a while ago, but it's not there any more.. to my knowledge it's not needed any more
[12:40] <ardchoille> *per-user
[12:41] <wepiha> ardchoille: indeed. hmmm I wonder what phoenixzs' /etc/fstab says
[12:41] <ardchoille> wepiha: Now you're thiking :)
[12:41] <maverick> i don't like k3b much, i don't know why but it just don't go easy with me burning cds sometimes it just fails
[12:41] <ardchoille> *thinking
[12:41] <wepiha> my entry for /etc/fstab contains       /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[12:42] <wepiha> most importantly, it has RW
[12:42] <intelikey> nobody know of a "dash like shell" that supports command line editing ?
[12:42] <phoenixz> vzduch, Yeah, I can open files from it, no problem
[12:42] <wepiha> ardchoille: haha it takes a while in the morning :)
[12:42] <ardchoille> lol
[12:43] <vzduch> I remember having had such an issue w/ my DVD drive in another OS.. don't remember how I solved it though
[12:43] <Existz> hey, does talking about your personal lives make you sad?
[12:44] <intelikey> Existz i don't have a personal life so NO.
[12:45] <Jemidon> lol nope doesn't make me sad
[12:45] <wepiha> phoenixz: what is the output from `cat /etc/fstab | grep /dev/hda` if you replace /dev/hda with your dvd burner ?
[12:46] <vzduch> phoenixz: try from the menu --> Tools | Settings --> the 2nd item (probably 'Devices') lists your drives; it also has two buttons: 'Add device' and 'Refresh'
[12:46] <Existz> any of you married?
[12:46] <wepiha> Existz: nope
[12:46] <Existz> how old are you peeps?
[12:46] <wepiha> i'm 17
[12:46] <wepiha> lol
[12:46] <maverick> 19
[12:46] <Existz> ah you're young
[12:46] <wepiha> is this a survey?
[12:46] <vzduch> <-- 30
[12:46] <Existz> surprisingly
[12:47] <Existz> for myself I guess
[12:47] <SlimeyPete> don't answer!
[12:47] <wepiha> actually i'm 25 :p
[12:47] <Existz> just curious
[12:47] <Existz> i'm 25 myself
[12:47] <SlimeyPete> he's trying to steal your identities!
[12:47] <vzduch> lol
[12:47] <Existz> are you really?
[12:47] <wepiha> really
[12:47] <Jemidon> i'm 19 and married
[12:47] <Existz> 17 seemed young
[12:47] <Existz> haha
[12:47] <phoenixz> vzduch, I already checked that, and it does not list my dvd burner
[12:47] <Existz> you're full of shit
[12:47] <Existz> haha
[12:47] <Existz> anyone dating?
[12:47] <PriceChild> !offtopic | Existz
[12:47] <ubotu> Existz: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:47] <Existz> yeah
[12:47] <Existz> been there
[12:47] <maverick> 19 and married?!
[12:47] <Existz> it's dead
[12:48] <maverick> seriously?!!
[12:48] <Existz> he must live in some remote state
[12:48] <Existz> like utah
[12:48] <Existz> kentucky
[12:48] <Existz> something
[12:48] <wepiha> phoenixz: what is the output from `cat /etc/fstab | grep /dev/hda` if you replace /dev/hda with your dvd burner ?
[12:48] <Jemidon> maveric: yea
[12:48] <Existz> jemido, where do you live?
[12:48] <phoenixz> wepiha,  /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[12:48] <Existz> jemidon
[12:48] <maverick> well, can i come where you live  :D
[12:48] <PriceChild> Existz, please stop the offtopic chat.
[12:49] <Existz> who's prince?
[12:49] <Minataku> And the swearing
[12:49] <Minataku> PriceChild: He was doing this yesterday, too
[12:49] <Existz> ah some random guy
[12:49] <Minataku> In fact
[12:49] <Minataku> !ops
[12:49] <ubotu> Help!  The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:52] <Jemidon> ardchoille: ok
[12:52] <vzduch> PriceChild: on a technical note.. how do you 'request' users to leave?  is that a ChanServ feature?
[12:52] <Minataku> It is
[12:52] <PriceChild> vzduch, its a freenode feature
[12:52] <Whiz2__> stdin: you around?
[12:52] <vzduch> ah
[12:53] <stdin> Whiz2__: for a while
[12:53] <Minataku> Usually forced actions are the realm of Services Administrators
[12:53] <PriceChild> vzduch, from see the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[12:53] <Minataku> Which is a very high level of IRC Operator
[12:53] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: do i find my source.list?
[12:53] <Jemidon> !source.list
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source.list - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Jemidon> !sourcelist
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sourcelist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Minataku> Here, they have it set up to allow Channel Operators to do it in their channels
[12:53] <vzduch> !sources.list
[12:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:54] <Minataku> It's done to defeat clients utilizing "Autorejoin on kick"
[12:54] <ardchoille> Jemidon: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:54] <vzduch> interesting
[12:54] <Whiz2__> stdin: i managed to get it working earlier... but it screwed up the rest of my wireless network when i told router 2 to transmit router 1's infomration... i had to set it back & switch off & back on router 2 when i was done
[12:54] <phoenixz> wepiha, did it, but didnt work
[12:54] <Minataku> BTW, gnomefreak, IINM, Roadrunner has full DHCP, so keep an eye out in case he swaps his IP
[12:55] <Jemidon> says permission denied, am i going to have to do it under root shell?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Minataku: im not worried
[12:55] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Didn't say you should be, just saying that he might be back
[12:55] <Minataku> So don't go too far ;3
[12:55] <stdin> Whiz2__: strange
[12:55] <Whiz2__> stdin: when i was trying without DHCP, i was plugged directly into router 1
[12:55] <PriceChild> Minataku, btw many have rejoin on remove as well as kick 8-)
[12:55] <wepiha> phoenixz: hmmm
[12:55] <Minataku> PriceChild: Heh, I haven't seen that yet
[12:56] <maverick> jemidon: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <PriceChild> Minataku, join me in #pricechild
[12:56] <Minataku> Okay
[12:56] <intelikey> stdin you might know.   is there a dash like (posix compliant) shell that supports command line editing ?
[12:56] <phoenixz> wepiha, exactly my thoughts..
[12:56] <richardinglis> hey guys
[12:57] <richardinglis> i ejected a dvd while it was playing
[12:57] <richardinglis> and now i canne watch dvds any more
[12:57] <richardinglis> i get the message 'the source can't be read'
[12:57] <richardinglis> and no plugin found to handle this resource
[12:57] <stdin> intelikey: umm, I haven't found one
[12:57] <richardinglis> i have reinstalled the kaffeine and xine packages
[12:57] <richardinglis> any ideas?
[12:57] <Whiz2__> stdin: thing is, i shouldn't have to go through all that... in the dapper release of kubuntu (which my server runs now) all i have to do is set the manual stuff, and the wired connected no matter which router it was plugged into
[12:58] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: there's my source.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29962/
[12:58] <ardchoille> Jemidon: just do cp /etc/apt/sources.list ~/Desktop/sources.list and then copy paste it into pastebin. No need for root.
[12:58] <stdin> intelikey: I know (da)sh doesn't, and there aren't that many pure posix shells that I've used
[12:58] <Jemidon> ardchoille: i suspect that's how it's supposed to be?
[12:58] <ardchoille> Jemidon: oh, ok, hold on will look.
[12:58] <intelikey> stdin k,  thanks for the intel
[12:58] <[EgO] > Hi all. Help me, plz: I install software for my sinaptics touchpad, but it doesnt work=(
[12:58] <stdin> Whiz2__: not sure what would have changed
[12:59] <ardchoille> Jemidon: You are using the us repos, I had lots of problems until I used diff repos. Want me to help with that?
[12:59] <wepiha> phoenixz: try commenting that line out and adding /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[12:59] <wepiha> phoenixz: I said comment so you can restore it later if need be ;)
[01:00] <vzduch> ardchoille: do you think the US repos are crippled on purpose?
[01:00] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: sure, if you don't mind, just so I can update, cause i've noticed that alot of my options for programs are greyed out in my package manager like i can't access them or they are non-existant
[01:00] <vzduch> not that that'd bother me personally, I don't live in the US
[01:00] <[EgO] > When i click "keyboard and mouse" in Control center, it says me : "add option SHMConfig 'on'" I do it,but touchpad doesnt work
[01:00] <ardchoille> vzduch: No idea
[01:00] <phoenixz> wepiha, I have a backup of fstab :)
[01:00] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Ok, open a terminal and I'll give you two commands to run.
[01:00] <tams> [EgO] : restarted X?
[01:00] <intelikey> wepiha specifying dev,exec,suid ???     it will default to those settings anyway wont it ?
[01:01] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : touchpad should work by default in kubuntu. what version are you using?
[01:01] <[EgO] > tams, of course
[01:01] <Jemidon> ardchoille: already got terminal open
[01:01] <intelikey> oh and atime
[01:01] <ardchoille> Jemidon: The first command makes a backup just in case:  sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[01:01] <[EgO] > Whiz2, Kubuntu 7.04
[01:01] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : what version of kubuntu? ;-)
[01:02] <Whiz2__> feisty?
[01:02] <[EgO] > ya
[01:02] <phoenixz> wepiha, didnt work either.. I checked  settings / programs: vcdxbild, vcdxminfo and vcdxrip are not installed.. those could not cause this problem?
[01:02] <Whiz2__> i was in liveCD mode earlier today on a laptop (this laptop in fact) and i have no troubles
[01:02] <Minataku> !repos
[01:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:02] <tams> [EgO] : my first try failed because I didn't put quotes around "SHMConfig"
[01:02] <Whiz2__> with the touchpad anyway lol
[01:03] <tams> so the line should read as option "SHMConfig" "on" ... after changing it worked
[01:03] <ardchoille> Jemidon: the second command removes the "us" from the repos that have it:  sudo sed -i 's/us.archive/archive/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:03] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Now update your sources: sudo apt-get update
[01:03] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : did the touchpad ever work in kubuntu?
[01:03] <wepiha> phoenixz: idk, ask around :(
[01:04] <[EgO] > Whiz, my touch work on Ubunru 6.04, but on Kubuntu its doesnt work
[01:04] <Jemidon> ardchoille: it's working on getting the packages and all
[01:04] <ardchoille> Jemidon: yes, it should be updating sources
[01:04] <intelikey> phoenixz for iso9660 and udf  uid=value gid=value and umask=
[01:05] <ardchoille> Jemidon: If all goes well, you can either save or delete /etc/apt/sources.list.backup  it's up to you
[01:05] <Jemidon> ardchoille: so i basically just allowed it to access the world repositories?
[01:05] <ardchoille> Jemidon: right
[01:05] <phoenixz> intelikey, what what what? uid=value  what value? and umask=? where do I put that?
[01:05] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : how odd... not sure what would cause that. maybe they forgot the drivers for it in kubuntu **shrugs** i'm not really familliar with mouse issues in linux
[01:05] <[EgO] > tams, How can i put quotes around SHMConfig?
[01:06] <Jemidon> ard: reason i'm learning all this, is because i'm going to be a computer systems operator in the military, best to go in with as much knowledge as I can seeing as the govt. uses linux
[01:06] <Jemidon> ard: :)
[01:06] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Good idea :)
[01:06] <phoenixz> [EgO] , like this? 'SHMConfig'
[01:06] <intelikey> phoenixz your users uid   echo $UID
[01:06] <Jemidon> ardchoille: ok it's done, now do I try to get a random program and it should work?
[01:06] <ardchoille> Jemidon: It should be fine now
[01:06] <[EgO] > Whiz2, i install drivers
[01:06] <tams> [EgO] : "SHMConfig"... I just said that because at first I took the error message literally and option SHMConfig "on" is not a valid line, it should read az option "SHMConfig" "on"
[01:06] <intelikey> phoenixz default is 1000 in ubuntu
[01:07] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Keep in mind, sometimes certan repos are down at times, can't be helped.
[01:07] <intelikey> mine's eleven
[01:07] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: well hot damn, that works
[01:07] <ardchoille> lol
[01:07] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: yes, i remember from last night's conversation
[01:07] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : those drivers were linux drivers???
[01:07] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: I feel like i've been released to the world...:) lol
[01:08] <ardchoille> hahaha
[01:08] <intelikey> phoenixz and the umask=  is the octal deduction form the permissions of 777
[01:08] <Whiz2__> aka read, write, execute
[01:08] <intelikey> so a umask of umask=000   will yeld permissions of  777 fs wide
[01:08] <tams> [EgO] : and it's all a blur now but I think I first succeeded getting the touchpad working on Feisty when I fist reconfigured xserver-xorg and then edited the fresh xorg.conf
[01:08] <[EgO] > Whiz2: Of course, i download it from repositary
[01:09] <[EgO] > tams : thanks=)
[01:09] <Minataku> umask is 8's complement
[01:09] <intelikey> phoenixz need more info just whistel
[01:09] <[EgO] > tams : i try it=)
[01:09] <Jemidon> ardchoille: now the fun part, getting libdvdcss
[01:10] <tams> [EgO] : np, good luck then :)
[01:10] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : that's really odd... if they are the linux drivers designed for that mouse, then it makes no sense that the mouse would not work.
[01:10] <Minataku> !seveas
[01:10] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:10] <ardchoille> Jemidon: sed and awk are pretty powerful, it would be good to learn them.
[01:10] <ardchoille> !libdvdcss
[01:10] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:10] <K-Ryan> !sound
[01:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:10] <phoenixz> intelikey, honestly, I don't understand what you are talking about.. you mean to say I should modify the fstab or something?
[01:10] <tams> Whiz2__: the synaptic drivers need the shared memory option to work and you need to enable that manually. After that it works like a charm.
[01:10] <Jemidon> i was waiting on the seveas packages lol
[01:10] <ardchoille> Jemidon: The seveas repo is quite nice
[01:11] <[EgO] > Whiz2: whats Odd? I bad speak english=)
[01:11] <Whiz2__> tams: if you know how to fix the mouse problem, then tell them, not me ;-)
[01:11] <Minataku> [EgO] : If English isn't your primary language, we do have localized channels
[01:11] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : odd = strange
[01:11] <[EgO] > ok
[01:12] <Minataku> What language is your primary?
[01:12] <ardchoille> [EgO] : What is your native language?
[01:12] <[EgO] > russian
[01:12] <ardchoille> !ru
[01:12] <Minataku> !ru
[01:12] <intelikey> phoenixz yes and use the uid umask settings  here's an example;   /dev/dvd /media/dvd udf,iso9660 noauto,uid=1000,umask=015 0 0
[01:12] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:12] <tams> Whiz2__: I just tell the symptoms. :D It's pretty darn confusing to see an utility telling you to do a thing that could be automated. Must be some good reasoning behind that.
[01:12] <ardchoille> bot is slow today
[01:12] <Minataku> Today? :P
[01:12] <ardchoille> hahaha
[01:12] <phoenixz> intelikey, wepiha, k9copy also does not see the writer...
[01:12] <[EgO] > !ru
[01:13] <phoenixz> intelikey, okay, what is the umask
[01:13] <Minataku> [EgO] : Look under where we typed it
[01:13] <Minataku> You should see Cyrillic
[01:13] <intelikey> phoenixz octal deduction form the full permission 777
[01:13] <chaotic> hey wheres kmail
[01:13] <Whiz2__> so anyone here know why manual settings would fail to connect me to my router in feisty, but work perfectly fine in dapper?
[01:13] <chaotic> i kno  it comes preloaded
[01:14] <ardchoille> chaotic: You can run it my typing kmail or it's also part of kontact
[01:14] <chaotic> ah ok no wonder lol
[01:14] <Minataku> Considering shared memory is pretty much the norm on every "Not Windows" OS...
[01:14] <Jemidon> Ardchoille: downloading the packages now
[01:14] <vzduch> chaotic: K-Menu >> Internet >> KMail
[01:14] <Minataku> It's surprising that it wouldn't be the obvious default :P
[01:15] <bart_> please can somebody tell me the RIGHT way to install nvidia drivers ???
[01:15] <Minataku> !nv
[01:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <K-Ryan> aplay -l
[01:15] <K-Ryan> oops
[01:15] <bart_> that doesn' t work in kubuntu...
[01:15] <K-Ryan> Meant to click my other shell >.>
[01:15] <bart_> Minataku..
[01:15] <K-Ryan> bart_ Yeah it does
[01:15] <ardchoille> bart_: What doesn't work in kubuntu?
[01:15] <Minataku> bart_: It's worked for everyone before you
[01:15] <tams> Minataku: Feisty is really a box of (often dark) entetainment :)
[01:15] <Minataku> lol
[01:16] <bart_> System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager.
[01:16] <Minataku> I wouldn't know, I use Gentoo
[01:16] <bart_> where can I find that in kde?
[01:16] <tams> hehe :D
[01:16] <clouder> bart_: type restricted-manager in console
[01:16] <Minataku> :3
[01:16] <bart_> must install it first... ok
[01:17] <Minataku> That would certainly help
[01:17] <tams> :DDDDDD
[01:17] <Jemidon> tams: yea, Feisty is a box of dark entertainment, i'm finding that out the hard way
[01:17] <intelikey> phoenixz octal premissions are read  like binary counting    111_2 == 7_8   i.e.  read,write,execute or 111_2  is octal prem 7       and the three digits are   owner,group,world(or other)          thus  umask=027     will yeld a fs wide permission on the disk of 750   owner rwx   group r_x   other ___
[01:17] <Whiz2__> i'm thinking of putting feisty on one of the computers on my network... but if i can't get the manual network settings to connect me to the internet even in liveCD mode, then i'm not even gonna bother... not after what the DHCP stuff did to my network eaarlier
[01:19] <wepiha> Whiz2__: what happened with your dhcp?
[01:19] <Whiz2__> i have 2 routers... 1 connected to the other router 1 is the gateway, and router 2 is the wireless transmitter for my wireless client...
[01:19] <phoenixz> intelikey, I think I have the answer. I am not a member of the group cdrom.. :)
[01:20] <Whiz2__> i switched DHCP on, and told it to transmit router 1's IP as the gate way, annd every wireless client went down... i had to switch everything back, and power cycle router 2 to get my wireless networks back
[01:20] <intelikey> phoenixz all file systems that don't have permissions bits in the fs  use a psuido permission for the whole mount,   among them are iso9660 udf vfat ntfs msdos   and possably others    linux file systems have the permissions on the fs  i.e. each file has it's own perms.     so setting a umask when mounting will set the fs wide permission
[01:21] <wepiha> Whiz2__: and dhclient screwed it royally?
[01:21] <intelikey> phoenixz ok    class dismissed
[01:21] <wepiha> lol
[01:21] <wepiha> ha wouldn't that be nice ;)
[01:21] <Whiz2__> wepiha: dhclient?
[01:22] <wepiha> Whiz2__: its the command used for a dhcp connect, like `sudo dhclient eth0`
[01:22] <Whiz2__> i don't use DHCP because i use port forwarding all across my network
[01:22] <Jemidon> ardchoille:  HELL YEA!!! i got my dvd player working through kaffine with audio!!!1
[01:22] <tams> Whiz2__: not UPnP-compatible routers you have?
[01:22] <Jemidon> Room: now i feel special ed
[01:22] <Whiz2__> UPnP is turned off on the routers
[01:23] <wepiha> Jemidon: I thought this *was* the spec ed room
[01:23] <ardchoille> Jemidon: \o/
[01:23] <Jemidon> wepiha: lol...possibly is
[01:23] <wepiha> hmmm if not where am I supposed to be then??
[01:23] <tams> hmm... I found UPnP to ease most port-forwarding frustration. In fact, I don't have a single port forwarded manually and stuff work fine
[01:23] <Jemidon> hee hee
[01:23] <ardchoille> wepiha: lol
[01:24] <wepiha> offtopic I know ;)
[01:24] <Whiz2__> tams: I turned off UPnP, because it interferes with my forwarded ports... those ports are with progs that are not UPnP compatible ;-)
[01:24] <tams> Oh I see.
[01:25] <tams> I suppose using (eq buying) a simple AP instead of the wireless router is not an option
[01:25] <Whiz2__> tams: nope
[01:25] <tams> s/on/over/
[01:26] <Whiz2__> tams: the UPnP is on the wired router anyway :-p
[01:26] <Minataku> I have a two-in-one
[01:26] <Minataku> It's a wired router + AP
[01:26] <Minataku> Extremely convienent
[01:27] <tams> I suppose Whiz2__ has one of those too
[01:27] <Minataku> No, he said he has two
[01:27] <tams> yea right
[01:27] <Whiz2__> Minataku: i don't have that option... my wireless router is meant to be an AP, but it's designed as a DSL router... i have it networked to router 1, because i use Cable :-p
[01:27] <Minataku> Mine's an ethernet router, DSL or Cable
[01:27] <Whiz2__> so yea i have one too lol
[01:28] <Minataku> I have it connected to my cable modem
[01:28] <tams> Minataku: I have one, spen a s-notniceword-load money on and turns out the signal is weak at my main spot of the house :D
[01:28] <Whiz2__> so is my wired router... but that's wrired
[01:28] <draik> I can't seem to get VMware server to read my HDD's partition of winxp
[01:28] <draik> Any clues?
[01:28] <Minataku> tams: Mine was nice and cheap
[01:28] <intelikey> man.    first liar ain't never got a chance...
[01:28] <tams> good for you :]
[01:28] <Minataku> D-Link DI-614+
[01:28] <tams> draik: symptoms
[01:28] <draik> No OS found
[01:29] <intelikey> @jemidon
[01:29] <Whiz2__> Minataku: i don't have the money to replace my wired router with a spiffy new  one
[01:29] <draik> I go Local Host
[01:29] <Minataku> Heh
[01:29] <tams> no idea o.O
[01:29] <Minataku> The DI-614+ has actually been EOL for a couple years now
[01:29] <tams> draik: wait, aren't you choosing partitions, etc?
[01:29] <Jemidon> intelikey: hee hee...i did ride on top of a short bus through the rain and sun, but it wasn't a daily occurance
[01:29] <Minataku> I've even got the old version of it, no less
[01:29] <draik> Then I click on Create A New Virtual Machine...
[01:29] <draik> Yeah
[01:29] <Minataku> The one with the ARM7 and two antennas
[01:29] <Minataku> tams: You can get high-gain antennas
[01:30] <intelikey> Jemidon i did ride a short bus    but not to school   :)
[01:30] <Minataku> If it lets you switch antennas, I had to do that with mine
[01:30] <tams> Minataku: last time I checked they cost more than a separate AP
[01:30] <Minataku> tams: Mine was pretty cheap, too
[01:30] <draik> nosrednaekim stated that I should choose Bridged Network, which I do
[01:30] <Minataku> Who you buying from, Cisco?
[01:30] <tams> god knows who :)
[01:30] <Jemidon> yea, high gain annennas will hhelp alot
[01:31] <chaotic> i think i removed kontact  when i removed kmail
[01:31] <intelikey> chaotic probably
[01:31] <intelikey> i think it's  a dep
[01:31] <edson> how to modify of kdm for gdm?
[01:31] <Whiz2__> here are the symptom: when using the wireless adapter, kubuntu doesn't even configure the device... just gets stuck... so forget that option... when i connect to the wired router directly, and try to set manual IP, netmask, gateway, and DNS, i get nothing at all...
[01:31] <tams> And this antenna is just for my router, right? What about the poor little latop? I don't know the physics of this but do the clients need some sort of enhancement?
[01:31] <Minataku> Yeah, sounds like a case of retarded dependencies, chaotic
[01:31] <Minataku> tams: Negative
[01:31] <intelikey> edson you mean switch from kdm to using gdm ?
[01:32] <tams> nice
[01:32] <tams> Whiz2__: what does the syslog say?
[01:32] <Jemidon> tams: all the high gain does is amplify your signal strenth
[01:32] <Jemidon> tams: i have replaced mine on my linksys router
[01:32] <tams> neat. I'll do my homework on that
[01:32] <Minataku> Antennas always have a dB gain associated with them
[01:32] <Whiz2__> tams: i dunno i'm not in it anymore.. but i can be on my other comp if ya gimme a few?
[01:32] <Jemidon> tams: and it works like a charm :)
[01:32] <edson> intelikey, yes
[01:32] <Minataku> Some antenna designs have a higher gain
[01:32] <intelikey> edson if so:   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm
[01:32] <Whiz2__> who knows... it might just work on the other one lol
[01:32] <draik> tams: Yeah. It's all on the same HDD
[01:33] <Minataku> Anywhere along the line you can boost the dB increases it for the whole system
[01:33] <tams> Whiz2__: I didn't mean I can help, but when KNetworkManager hates me the syslog usually helps
[01:33] <Whiz2__> lol
[01:33] <tams> draik: no idea, sorry :(
[01:33] <tams> :)
[01:33] <Whiz2__> Minataku: you talkin to me?
[01:33] <Minataku> No
[01:33] <Whiz2__> ok
[01:33] <Jemidon> Minataku: i may not know much about linux, but we got plenty of introduction to high gain antennas at college :) lol
[01:33] <edson> intelikey, thank you. ;)
[01:33] <intelikey> for a fellow that doesn't even have sudo installed   i sure type sudo a lot.
[01:33] <Minataku> Jemidon: Heh
[01:34] <intelikey> edson welcome
[01:34] <tams> Minataku: thanks for the info
[01:34] <Minataku> I'm a computer engineering technology student
[01:34] <Minataku> We did a little on antennas/transmission systems
[01:34] <Whiz2__> Minataku: wish i was lol
[01:34] <tams> Whiz2__: oh, one thing I have learned about the Feisty networking. turning the adapter on and off actually helps. no comment on this one
[01:35] <Minataku> Wires and air always a dB loss, antennas and gear a dB gain
[01:35] <Whiz2__> tams: tried that ;-)
[01:35] <Jemidon> Minataku: i was an IT specialist for my old college, now i'm going into the USAF to work on database security
[01:35] <Minataku> Jemidon: Cool
[01:35] <Jemidon> and general networking sercurity :)
[01:35] <tams> you make me feel like a script kiddie
[01:37] <wepiha> I can't get any sound in from Line-input. argh!
[01:37] <Jemidon> sorry :->
[01:37] <edson> intelikey, I was I installed kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, the screen of splashscreen I moved of "ubuntu" for "kubuntu" as to modify again for "ubuntu"?
[01:38] <intelikey> !usplash | edson the later portion of this is how to regenerate the initramfs image
[01:38] <ubotu> edson the later portion of this is how to regenerate the initramfs image: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[01:40] <intelikey> and if you use lilo you already know that you will have to re-run lilo for the system to be bootable
[01:40] <tams> if I have both ubuntu-desktop installed on kubuntu is there a way to avoid gnome creeping into my desktop? I haven't been able to identify the sources but after using the system for more than a few hours gtk applications start to use the gnome desktop's widgets, the volume osd gets replaced, etc.
[01:41] <aaroncampbell> How do I add/remove fonts?
[01:41] <intelikey> !fonts | aaroncampbell
[01:41] <ubotu> aaroncampbell: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[01:42] <aaroncampbell> thanks
[01:43] <intelikey> tams that shouldn't be time related but rather app related.  i.e.  if you boot the box and walk away, a month later it should still be the same; but if you open gnome apps in ked it starts several gtk services...
[01:43] <intelikey> kde even
[01:44] <intelikey> i know that's not the answer you want...   jsut thinking out loud
[01:44] <tams> right.  Then a few vague operations later it is ubuntu-studio black&blue. I know it's not time-related, I just don't know which apps mess up the place
[01:44] <tams> :)
[01:44] <tams> s/up/app/ ... pardon
[01:45] <edson> intelikey, where if it finds the screens of usplash?
[01:45] <wepiha> someone must know how to enable 'Shared Rear/Line-In' switch in kmix?
[01:45] <intelikey> edson you know,  i don't know...     sorry.
[01:46] <meuhlol> hi all
[01:46] <intelikey> wepiha crimsun's the man
[01:46] <wepiha> intelikey: thanks aye!
[01:46] <wepiha> crimsun: home?
[01:46] <tams> is there a way to issue a command that is effectively "please remove all packages that ubuntu-desktop depends on but please keep ones that are dependencies and I'd also like tomboy left on the system"? :)
[01:47] <intelikey> tams don't ask much, do ya...
[01:47] <Jemidon> lol never,
[01:48] <tams> :P
[01:48] <intelikey> tams   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38188
[01:48] <intelikey> have fun
[01:49] <tams> yeeeah :D
[01:49] <tams> thx
[01:50] <intelikey> tams you can compair that with kubuntu-desktop's deps and see what "not to remove"   :)))
[01:50] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38189
[01:50] <intelikey> just in case you are interested .
[01:51] <tams> righty, thanks
[01:53] <intelikey> of course if i wasn't so lazy i could script that for you in about the time it would take to paste both of those ....
[01:54] <intelikey> but i don't want to think today...
[01:56] <tams> hacked up a script for that, but thanks
[01:56] <tams> so I just remove the diffs with apt-get now?
[01:56] <VerWolF>  ?
[01:57] <VerWolF> Hi all
[01:57] <tams> oh, its some manual editing :\
[01:57] <tams> too
[02:03] <tams> intelikey: http://tams.hu/rem.html <- these are the diff minus the packages I'd like to keep. But when I issue the command apt-get tells me it will remove a whole lot of k-packages, so I think it wants my whole kde, the house and the car too
[02:03] <intelikey> tams something like.      for P in `cat ubuntu-desktop.deps` ;do cat kubuntu-desktop.deps |
[02:03] <intelikey> grep -q $P || echo $P ;done
[02:03] <intelikey> err one line.
[02:06] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove $(for P in `cat ubuntu-desktop.deps` ;do cat kubuntu-desktop.deps | grep -q $P || echo $P ;done)    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[02:06] <tams> yeah, same result as the one I've got
[02:06] <tams> And it still wants to kill my kde
[02:07] <intelikey> did you install kubuntu-desktop   or   kde  ?
[02:07] <intelikey> the deps are different
[02:08] <tams> well, this system started as kubuntu, so kubuntu-desktop
[02:08] <tams> and if I isse an apt-get remove with the packages that one-liner gives apt-get says it will remove all adept, etc.
[02:08] <intelikey> tam try this...        for P in `cat ubuntu-desktop.deps` ;do cat kubuntu-desktop.deps | grep -q $P || sudo apt-get remove $P ;done
[02:08] <[EgO] > tams and Whiz2__ : I do it! =)
[02:08] <tams> k
[02:09] <intelikey> back later maybe.
[02:09] <tams> [EgO] : congrats!
[02:09] <[EgO] > tams and Whiz2__ : I do it myself =)
[02:09] <tams> k bye
[02:09] <tams> oops
[02:10] <Whiz2__> [EgO] : congratulations glad you got it
[02:10] <aaroncampbell> Is anyone else having problems with Thunderbird shutting down randomly (when I'm not even using it)?  It's REALLY frustrating, especially when it happens while I'm not home, because mail doesn't get sorted into folders, so ALL my mail is retrieved by my Moto Q.
[02:12] <[EgO] > Im going sleep. 04 am on my clock. Bye all:)
[02:13] <chaotic> when u install a game with  wine where  does it put the exe at
[02:15] <tams> ~/.wine/drive_c ...
[02:15] <chaotic> so that   would  be usr/bin/
[02:16] <tams> rather /home/chaotic/.wine/drive_c/...
[02:16] <tams> i suppose
[02:17] <chaotic> thnx
[02:17] <tams> np
[02:18] <chaotic> theresno wine folder in home/chaotic
[02:18] <tams> dot wine, ergo ".wine"
[02:19] <naught101> does anyone know how to stop "guidance-power-manager" from starting on boot
[02:19] <naught101> ?
[02:19] <robotpoke> what would i use to remap the caps lock to the control key?
[02:19] <tams> ls -la /home/chaotic|grep .wine
[02:20] <tams> robotpoke: this tells you exactly that: http://www.columbia.edu/~djv/docs/keyremap.html
[02:23] <robotpoke> tams: thanks
[02:24] <clouder> naught101: you could try stopping kde-guidance service from sarting at boot, but I don't know what kind of side effects that might have
[02:25] <ShockValue> any other news binary leeachers besides klibido work well in KDE?  klibido is kinda not doing it for me
[02:26] <intelikey> back eariler maybe...
[02:27] <dcosson> i installed kubuntu with the "alternate installer"... and i get no boot screen;  i get grub's "loading" message, then black screen for about 15-20 seconds then KDM... does anyone know, does the alternate installer not install whatever makes the boot screen happen?
[02:27] <naught101> clouder: I think I found it in /usr/share/autostart/
[02:27] <naught101> just removed the .desktop
[02:27] <intelikey> !usplash
[02:27] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[02:30] <Stanton> is it possible to run two os's at one time on same screen with out Virulaiztion?
[02:30] <csatlose_> hello, can anyone see my messages?
[02:30] <Stanton> yes csatlose_
[02:30] <csatlose_> I'm looking for help on starting external hd with linux cd
[02:31] <chaotic> ineed to be root so i can install  nvidia drivers  how can i do that
[02:31] <intelikey> Stanton i dont see how
[02:31] <Expecto> Stanton: I doubt that
[02:31] <chaotic> can anyone tell me how to be root
[02:31] <csatlose_> chaotic type sudo -s
[02:31] <intelikey> !sudo
[02:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:31] <ryanakca> Why can I only have one reiserfs partition in my LVM? After create one, all the free space afterwards becomes 'unusable'...
[02:32] <chaotic> no because after i run sudo nvidia.run  it needs root admin also
[02:33] <chaotic> not jjust a one line thing
[02:33] <intelikey> ryanakca primary limit ?
[02:33] <csatlose_> hi, do you know if it is possible to startup kubuntu on an external hd from a cdrom
[02:33] <intelikey> ryanakca i think linux only allows 4 primary partitions pre disk
[02:33] <tams> chaotic: sudo bash ;)
[02:34] <intelikey> per
[02:34] <Expecto> csatlose_ i think it's possible w/o a cdrom
[02:34] <intelikey> tams no sudo -i
[02:34] <ryanakca> intelikey: it's the only partition in the LVM, and I can create 3 ext3 patitions other wise
[02:34] <tams> 'kay, one more thing I learned :)
[02:34] <intelikey> ryanakca then sounds like a bug
[02:34] <csatlose_> expecto: my pc won't boot USB, so I thought I would be able to give a startup parameter in cd boot
[02:35] <Expecto> csatlose_ I know that DamnSmallLinux has that option...but on an HD I guess that isn't quite what you're going for
[02:36] <MarcC> is there a "character map" equivalent in Kubuntu?
[02:36] <MarcC> oh...character map...heh
[02:36] <MarcC> :P nvm
[02:37] <intelikey> grub; whether it's on hd cd or thumb drive is still just grub and is as weak as the bios... if bios can't boot it, then grub can't boot it piriod
[02:37] <raylu> after pressing start or install Kubuntu on the livecd, I get a blinking cursor and two lines at the bottom fo my screen
[02:38] <raylu> Int 14: CR2 cf800000  err 00000000 EIP c020c384...etc
[02:38] <intelikey> now if you make a place for the kernel  "a boot partition maybe"   the linux once booted can mount just about any fs
[02:38] <Whiz2___> ok well umm... that was just interesting
[02:39] <tams> Whiz2___: you're maturing. I see you're growing underscores.
[02:39] <intelikey> heh
[02:39] <Whiz2___> ran the LiveCD for feisty on the computer I'm thinking of installing it on, and tried the manual settings...  my ENTIRE network went down til i renewed my ISP IP address
[02:39] <Stanton> how would i reinstall linux with out unpartitioning and then installing on emty partition for i dont know my Vista partition name
[02:39] <Whiz2> I just got shorter ;-)
[02:39] <Expecto> Whiz2, don't install it...obviously
[02:39] <Whiz2> or not
[02:39] <Stanton> i just used guaded most free thingy
[02:39] <tams> First shave. :)
[02:40] <Whiz2> but but but i LIKE it!
[02:40] <tams> Whiz2: I suppose that you can't blame that on Kubuntu :)
[02:40] <Expecto> Whiz2...and if it kills your network?
[02:40] <Whiz2> well as you can see the network is back, buti still have no access
[02:40] <Expecto> Stanton, I have no clue what you just said
[02:40] <Whiz2> on that comp anyway
[02:41] <Stanton> i never do allso!
[02:41] <Expecto> wow
[02:41] <intelikey> Stanton "manually setup the partitions"   option in the installer
[02:41] <Stanton> guess i ask my friend whom likes linux
[02:41] <Stanton> ok what would i do i nthere?
[02:42] <raylu> manually set up the partitions :P
[02:42] <Stanton> is there instructions on internet?
[02:42] <raylu> you should be able to identify your vista drive
[02:42] <raylu> by the size and the fact that it's ntfs
[02:42] <Stanton> how?
[02:42] <Stanton> oh
[02:42] <Expecto> Stanton: if you know the sizes of your partitions you can figure out which is which and which you need to format
[02:42] <Expecto> that too
[02:42] <Expecto> forgot about ntfs
[02:42] <Stanton> i have two 10gbs
[02:42] <Stanton> and one 230gb
[02:42] <Stanton> ...
[02:42] <Stanton> and two 5gb
[02:43] <intelikey> Stanton your windows fs will be makred  NTFS  ...
[02:43] <Expecto> is the 230 your vista one?
[02:43] <Stanton> yes
[02:43] <Expecto> just don't mess w/ that one
[02:43] <Stanton> i just let linux acesses it
[02:43] <Stanton> well to run programs
[02:43] <Stanton> lol
[02:43] <Stanton> ok
[02:43] <Stanton> soo basicly install on et3?
[02:43] <Stanton> w/e
[02:44] <Expecto> indeed
[02:44] <Stanton> ok sounds easy
[02:44] <rewolf> awe
[02:44] <rewolf> awe
[02:44] <rewolf> awe
[02:44] <aaroncampbell> Is anyone else having problems with Thunderbird shutting down randomly (when I'm not even using it)?  It's REALLY frustrating, especially when it happens while I'm not home, because mail doesn't get sorted into folders, so ALL my mail is retrieved by my Moto Q.
[02:44] <Stanton> i should be back on linux then
[02:44] <raylu> after pressing start or install Kubuntu on the livecd, I get a blinking cursor and two lines at the bottom fo my screen; if I turn acpi off, it works but is painfully slow
[02:44] <aaroncampbell> The last thing I remember doing to my system is installing Google Desktop.  Does anyone know of any problems with Google Desktop and Thunderbird?
[02:44] <Stanton> and its 64bit ^^
[02:44] <raylu> o.0?? google desktop for nix?
[02:44] <Expecto> raylu, i'm thinking the same thing
[02:45] <tams> yes, it's true :)
[02:45] <aaroncampbell> raylu: yep
[02:45] <raylu> http://desktop.google.com/linux/index.html
[02:45] <raylu> omg. wtf!
[02:45] <chaotic> how do i exit xserver
[02:45] <raylu> chaotic, why?
[02:45] <aaroncampbell> Doesn't have the sidebar and widgets, but it DOES do all the searching, etc
[02:45] <chaotic> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run
[02:45] <chaotic> nvidia installer asking me to
[02:46] <raylu> chaotic, ctrl+alt+f1
[02:46] <raylu> login, sudo killall kdm
[02:46] <raylu> then ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run
[02:46] <raylu> but i dont recommend doing that
[02:46] <raylu> as it's better to install nvidia drivers from the repos
[02:46] <tams> aaroncampbell: beagle does the same, doesn't it?
[02:46] <Expecto> aaroncampbell, that's a bore then
[02:47] <raylu> so basically...its locate with a google gui
[02:47] <aaroncampbell> tams: yes, this is very similar, but Google seems to be simpler, and more powerful
[02:47] <tams> i see
[02:47] <raylu> !beagle
[02:47] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[02:47] <aaroncampbell> raylu: if locate could search your imap E-Mail accounts, etc ;)
[02:48] <raylu> o.0...
[02:48] <raylu> i suppose it'd be useful if I had more files on my nix drive
[02:48] <raylu> so, can anoyone answer my question/help me?
[02:49] <Stanton> oh
[02:49] <intelikey> raylu repete it for me
[02:49] <Stanton> is it possible to install linux while in virual os and install on the real hd?
[02:49] <raylu> [19:44:20]  <raylu> after pressing start or install Kubuntu on the livecd, I get a blinking cursor and two lines at the bottom fo my screen; if I turn acpi off, it works but is painfully slow
[02:50] <intelikey> raylu sounds like the cd is hosed,  or possably out of ram condition but you probably have more than 192m ram
[02:50] <tams> Stanton: if by virtual os you mean live cd then of course
[02:51] <aaroncampbell> intelikey: it also searches your web history, your gmail if you want, and cab combine your local results into a standard Google search (so you get Web and Local results together)
[02:51] <intelikey> aaroncampbell i don't have web history
[02:51] <Stanton> by with out booting up into cd and staying in os and useing virualiztion
[02:51] <Stanton> like microsoft virual pc
[02:51] <Stanton> and installl on the real hd and partition
[02:52] <tams> I can't really folow you
[02:52] <Stanton> ..
[02:52] <Stanton> ok
[02:52] <intelikey> aaroncampbell and what you are describing sound like "bloat" gone to seed again...  :)
[02:52] <chaotic> some reason was still  saying i had xserver on
[02:52] <Stanton> lets say i start linux into virual pc and tell it to install on to the REAL harddrive with out even rebooting and booting into the os it self
[02:52] <raylu> actually...it seems to be fine now...
[02:52] <Stanton> kinda
[02:52] <tams> the thought of google stuff always wakes the paraniod in me
[02:53] <raylu> now I need to get a DLink G-120 USB wireless adapter running
[02:53] <tams> but nowadays you just can't escape using the services of thos guys
[02:53] <Stanton> indeed.
[02:53] <Stanton> like microsoft.
[02:53] <Stanton> cant play good games with out em
[02:53] <Whiz2__> well the DHCP worked for the wired router without screwing up the network...  I just want auto completion, thats it..
[02:55] <tams> Whiz2__: only pqmagic does that well
[02:55] <intelikey> !language
[02:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:56] <Stanton> define "family"
[02:56] <Stanton> ...
[02:56] <Stanton> for my family any thing gose.. o.o
[02:56] <tams> Stanton: words that MTV doesn't censor
[02:56] <Stanton> go'se
[02:56] <Stanton> ohh
[02:56] <Stanton> ...
[02:56] <Stanton> neat
[02:56] <tams> intelikey: sorry if _that_ was offensive :)
[02:57] <Whiz2__> tams: where can i install that from?
[02:57] <tams> um, IsoHunt :(
[02:57] <rasa> $50 via paypal, if someone can help me get Kubuntu to use 1920x1200 on my inspiron 1705(9400) (I've spent *HOURS* and am ready to give up!)
[02:57] <Starn_> meh
[02:58] <Starn_> my comp kicked me off
[02:58] <Starn_> o.o
[02:58] <Starn_> see why i want linux?
[02:58] <intelikey> Stanton if you need a better descriptive term.  how about, "don't say anything that would imbaress a sunday school teacher"  then you got it covered.
[02:58] <Starn_> ...
[02:58] <hero> kubuntu seems to have an issue with my media keys (inspiron 1200).  when i hit page down it turns down the volume sometimes instead of paging down. anyone have a link to where i might fix that once and for all?
[02:58] <Starn_> oh..
[02:58] <Starn_> well shoot..
[02:58] <Starn_> that be every thing that procceses in my mind..
[02:59] <hero> !keyboard
[02:59] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[02:59] <Starn_> gah dangit.. i dont remmber were my comp installed my os's
[03:00] <Whiz2__> Why don't i just use Partition magic for windows? ;-)
[03:00] <hero> hmm, that wasn't helpful
[03:00] <hero> !mediakeys
[03:00] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[03:01] <tams> Whiz2__: that's pqmagic afaik :)
[03:01] <wepiha> hero: you may want to run `xev` and press the offending keys
[03:01] <intelikey> hero find what you want ?
[03:01] <hero> intelikey: i'll try what i've found and see what happens
[03:01] <runlevelten> night all.
[03:01] <hero> thanks
[03:01] <hero> wepiha: k
[03:02] <intelikey> runlevelten
[03:02] <wepiha> hero: you can read what 'keysym:' they provide and remap accordingly
[03:02] <hero> wepiha: it doesn't do anything
[03:02] <Starn_> ookay heres my question
[03:02] <wepiha> hero: run in konsole ;)
[03:02] <hero> oh
[03:02] <hero> right, i knew that
[03:02] <Starn_> if i was to start linux into an virual pc program and try to install it from there would that work?
[03:03] <wepiha> page up and page down produce 'next' and 'prior' on my system
[03:03] <Starn_> nvm dosnt work sys i am installing is 64
[03:03] <Starn_> ...
[03:03] <miles> hello?
[03:03] <miles> can yall hear me
[03:03] <intelikey> Starn_ you have waited long enough you could have tested to see by now....
[03:03] <Starn_>  and sys the vpc is on is 32
[03:03] <tams> miles: pong
[03:03] <Starn_> lol
[03:03] <raylu> how would i get to smb://foor from the konsole?
[03:04] <miles> hey this is my first time using irc
[03:04] <hero> yeah, i don't get output like that at all
[03:04] <Starn_> kinda
[03:04] <miles> this shit is tight!
[03:04] <Starn_> i was installing microsoft virual pc
[03:04] <Starn_> when i first asked.
[03:04] <hero> or wait, yes i do.
[03:04] <wepiha> ms viral pc (reg) (tm)
[03:04] <hero> get the same thing as you, wepiha
[03:04] <runlevelten> miles: consider roughage.
[03:04] <runlevelten> (or prunes)
[03:04] <wepiha> hero: ok. now consider the offending keys
[03:04] <miles> i dont get it
[03:05] <miles> yo yo yo wassup?!
[03:05] <phoenixz> I want to modify some partitions.. What program is best used for that? I heard that gparted is good but its gnome, is there a KDE version for it?
[03:05] <tams> runlevelten: :D
[03:05] <miles> qparted
[03:05] <runlevelten> ;)
[03:05] <Starn_> would you guys recumind 64bit linux or 32bit linux? i can run ether one
[03:05] <tams> phoenixz: stick with gparted :)
[03:05] <miles> im runnin 64bit right now, no difference noticed
[03:05] <runlevelten> Starn_: what you using the machine for?
[03:05] <Starn_> stuff
[03:05] <Starn_> some games
[03:06] <miles> laff
[03:06] <Starn_> work sorta
[03:06] <Starn_> and python programing
[03:06] <intelikey> runlevelten i'm jelous  my system only has runlevels 0 through 9
[03:06] <wepiha> Starn_: personally, I use 64 bit for a minor performance increase. although it can be tricky getting some 32 bit apps running (eg: wine, flash etc)
[03:06] <runlevelten> I'd stick with 32bit, tbh.
[03:06] <tams> Starn_: 32bit and you won't have problems with flash, etc
[03:06] <miles> flash doesnt work for 64bit linux?
[03:06] <phoenixz> tams, Isnt it possible to rewrite gparted so it also works under KDE? Like.. kparted? I mean, all it needs to change is that it should use the Qt libraries.. and obviously I am thinking too simple here :)
[03:06] <Starn_> how long untell flash gets 64bit?
[03:06] <Starn_> nope it dosnt
[03:06] <wepiha> miles: it does
[03:06] <Starn_> i did have worken linux
[03:06] <Starn_> it dose!?
[03:06] <Starn_> how?
[03:07] <miles> pheonix: its called qparted
[03:07] <Starn_> wait ill ask when i get linux worken agen
[03:07] <Whiz2__> how good is qtparted as resizing NTFS partitions?
[03:07] <wepiha> using nspluginwrapper
[03:07] <wepiha> !flash
[03:07] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:07] <tams> phoenixz: yeah, qparted it is, but gparted is definitely better
[03:07] <miles> !flash
[03:08] <runlevelten> intelikey: mine actually goes up to eleven
[03:08] <miles> irc is crazy
[03:08] <runlevelten> having fun miles?
[03:08] <Starn_>  god i am loveing google bookmarks for this stuff
[03:08] <miles> yea its aight
[03:08] <runlevelten> good stuff :)
[03:08] <miles> i never got my wireless working with kubunutu
[03:09] <phoenixz> tams, meaning they are NOT the same project then?
[03:09] <tams> phoenixz: yepp
[03:09] <miles> so instead, i bought a wrt54gs router, flashed it with dd-wrt, and now i have a wireless bridge
[03:09] <runlevelten> right, sleep for me. I am just all partied out with spending my saturday night in IRC xD
[03:09] <intelikey> runlevelten heh  i just added 10 11 12  so i have  bakers dozen now  :)
[03:09] <miles> o shoot, i just installed eclipse
[03:10] <runlevelten> You can't go up to twelve - it'll never take the strain!
[03:10] <miles> eclipse > jbuilder
[03:10] <tams> runlevelten: yeah, fuel my depression for staying home working... deadlines are wonderful
[03:10] <runlevelten> tams: gotta love em
[03:10] <runlevelten> miles, for java?
[03:11] <miles> yea
[03:11] <hero> so where do i configure the type of keyboard in k?
[03:11] <raylu> o.0
[03:11] <runlevelten> How are you feeling about netbeans at the moment?
[03:11] <miles> i prefer eclipse
[03:11] <raylu> i can't access a windows share witih smb://
[03:11] <runlevelten> It's getting amazing these days - a real turnaround
[03:11] <miles> o really?
[03:11] <raylu> i see the files but it won't let me copy/use them
[03:11] <Starn_> how would i trick virtual pc to think its running on 64bit so i can install on 64bit.. for i have 64bit proccesor but os running virtual pc is 32bit and i dont know how to update vista to 64bit
[03:11] <runlevelten> yeah
[03:11] <raylu> nor do i know how to get to smb:// in the konsole
[03:12] <phoenixz> I have another problem.. I had a harddrive mounted, and I was removing all its contents with rm -rf.. halfway, rm suddenly suddenly throws in a number of "permission denied" and then "Input / Output" error.. then an ls of the mounted directory gives me this: "?--------- ? ?    ?       ?                ? VolGroup00-home"
[03:12] <miles> thats cool, ill check it out, ive been doing a lot of java development at work
[03:12] <miles> pwnd
[03:12] <phoenixz> Dies anybody knows what this means?
[03:12] <phoenixz> Dies = Does
[03:12] <tams> raylu: thos are kioslaves, if I remember correctly they dont work in console
[03:12] <runlevelten> An eclipse guy myself for the Java - so give it a shot, you might come to the same sort of conclusion
[03:12] <raylu> phoenixz, fs type?
[03:12] <hero> ok, so which of the dell layouts would be for a laptop?
[03:12] <raylu> tams, in that case, how do I mount a network share? there's a smbfs, right?
[03:12] <tams> raylu: make a separate account with a password just for accessing the shares and enter that credentials at the prompt
[03:13] <phoenixz> raylu, ext3.. the drive was LVM volume, mounted from /dev/mapper/VolGroup00
[03:13] <raylu> make a seperate account and...what prompt?
[03:13] <miles> raylu: you need smbclient to access smb shares
[03:13] <runlevelten> right, sleep sleep sleep. later folks
[03:13] <raylu> phoenixz, I think you removed the equivalent of the master file table
[03:13] <tams> raylu: I mean, on the win box, make an smb or whatever account with the pass. Weird, but this was the solution over here.
[03:13] <phoenixz> raylu, you mean superblock?
[03:14] <Starn_> i lost my self with my question..
[03:14] <phoenixz> raylu, How could I remove that?
[03:14] <raylu> sure; i dont know ext3 :P
[03:14] <raylu> tams, ...so I have to install samba?
[03:14] <tams> raylu: when you click on files do you get a password prompt?
[03:14] <raylu> actually, i had a password prompt from something
[03:14] <gumjo> hello, is there some app that will recognize multiple copies of same pictures and delete them?
[03:14] <tams> yeah, there's some weridness around passwords
[03:14] <miles> .......
[03:15] <miles> o jeez, starn left
[03:15] <hero> there's got to be a way to make it so the page down doesn't trip the function key.
[03:15] <tams> make an account on the win box, like smb, add a pass and enter that user+pass at the prompt
[03:15] <hero> i tried to change the kb layout to dell dimension laptop
[03:15] <hero> but that didn't do any good
[03:15] <raylu> tams, why can't I just use my raylu account?
[03:16] <intelikey> hero try 101 key lyout
[03:16] <hero> yeah, i did
[03:16] <hero> it still tries to make volume go down with the page down key
[03:16] <tams> raylu: no clue. I've lost a few hair at home until I tried this stupid solution and it worked.
[03:16] <raylu> o.0
[03:16] <hero> i'm not as interested in enabling the media keys as i am getting page down to do its job
[03:16] <raylu> imma try mounting it as smbfs
[03:16] <miles> does anyone here play any good FPS's on kubuntu?
[03:16] <intelikey> hero hmmm check the kde hotkeys, see that volume control is not bound to pgdn
[03:17] <hero> intelikey: in shortcut schemes?
[03:17] <intelikey> miles is there such a thing as a "good FPS"  ?
[03:18] <tams> intelikey: some define that as suicide
[03:18] <miles> counter-strike source
[03:18] <intelikey> hero i don't have kde  i thought it was kcontrol
[03:18] <miles> counter-strike source = best fps
[03:18] <hero> you're in kubuntu and you don't have kde?
[03:18] <miles> me? i have kde
[03:18] <tams> miles: that was a statement, not a question there :)
[03:18] <intelikey> tams killing a pig ?
[03:19] <tams> that was rude!
[03:19] <miles> tams: do you play any games on linux?
[03:19] <intelikey> sui cide ???
[03:19] <intelikey> oh  never mind.
[03:19] <erov> wolfenstein: enemy territory, open arena
[03:19] <leileilol> aka best game ever
[03:19] <leileilol> er i mean
[03:19] <miles> open arena, im a google it real quick
[03:19] <tams> miles: no, at one time I've got a life and only work with computers. (pretend that I'm not on IRC)
[03:20] <erov> its quake 3 arena.. open source maps
[03:20] <hero> so someone who is using kde... is there a volume up/down shortcut place?
[03:20] <miles> tams: hate life?
[03:21] <tams> tams: ow, c'mon, I love it
[03:21] <miles> dude, im so new to irc right now, i have no clue whats going on
[03:22] <intelikey> miles it is hard to read the inflection in the typing at first isn't it
[03:22] <tams> miles: well, it's always this chaotic but you'll get used to it
[03:22] <miles> hello
[03:22] <miles> woops
[03:23] <miles> sweet
[03:23] <phoenixz> Whenever I press <TAB> in bash while using svk, I get this error: "bash: /usr/bin/svk-completion.pl: No such file or directory"  How do I fix this?
[03:23] <miles> make the file
[03:24] <intelikey> looks like a perl script to me
[03:24] <tams> maybe reinstall the package?
[03:24] <vzduch> quick question: after adding an entry to Grub by hand, is it necessary to run 'update-grub' or something?
[03:24] <intelikey> is  libvcp-dest-svk-perl   installed ?
[03:24] <tams> vzduch: yeah
[03:24] <vzduch> ok
[03:24] <vzduch> sudo?
[03:25] <tams> it helps :)
[03:25] <intelikey> vzduch huh ?   no if you add an entry it's there.
[03:25] <tams> i think he meant editing the .conf
[03:25] <vzduch> no, the menu.lst
[03:26] <intelikey> vzduch yeah it's there.
[03:26] <phoenixz> intelikey, actually, no.. if I were to install SVK from aptget, I would get the very old 1.08 version, and I need 2.01, so I installed it manually with perl.. Now, I will install that package but that will also install the old SVK again.. Is there a way to install libvcp-dest-svk-perl without the svk package it depends on?
[03:26] <intelikey> vzduch you don't need to do anything to activate it
[03:26] <vzduch> ok
[03:26] <intelikey> phoenixz but installing the package along with it will probably solve your probalm
[03:27] <intelikey> problem
[03:27] <intelikey> balm  heh
[03:27] <phoenixz> intelikey, yeah, it would fix it I think.. only I do NOT want to have the old svk 1.08 again, it has a number of problems I can not work with
[03:27] <intelikey> "is there no balm in kubuntu"
[03:28] <phoenixz> intelikey, so could I install a package without its dependancy?
[03:28] <miles> is it better to install nvidia driver from their site or through apt-get
[03:28] <miles> ?
[03:28] <phoenixz> miles, you have to use the restricted-manager to do this actually
[03:28] <intelikey> phoenixz then build that package too.   and  libuuid-data-perl libvcp-perl also i guess
[03:28] <miles> are you guys going to hate on me if i use non-free drivers?
[03:28] <ardchoille> miles: You can do it from the command line
[03:29] <ardchoille> !nvidia | miles
[03:29] <ubotu> miles: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:29] <phoenixz> miles, do NOT try to install the driver using apt-get, it will install a package that leaves a file behind that later on when you do use restricted-manager, you can not install the driver anymore until you remove that file manulally
[03:29] <chaotic> i think i got myself  into a problem
[03:29] <tams> miles: Stallmans going to slaughter you with an axe, but currently his list is very long so no worries
[03:29] <miles> ok good
[03:29] <miles> i hear that guy loves freedom
[03:29] <intelikey> phoenixz if you install without the deps it will totally hose the package manager until you remove it or install the deps.
[03:29] <phoenixz> intelikey, that sounds sweet!
[03:30] <hero> oh great
[03:30] <hero> now i can't use ctrl-alt-arrow to move between desktops
[03:30] <intelikey> phoenixz so build the source like you did with svk
[03:30] <phoenixz> intelikey, is there also a way to disable that <TAB> thing for program options?
[03:30] <miles> my stomach hurts
[03:30] <hero> this is obviously worse than page down not working
[03:30] <intelikey> ummmm  within svk   idk
[03:30] <hero> does anyone know how to fix this?
[03:31] <phoenixz> intelikey, well, this looks like an kubuntu option actually.. svk could never do this
[03:31] <hero> all i did was change the keyboard type
[03:31] <hero> and i changed it back
[03:31] <phoenixz> specially since I type svk <tab> and then it tries to get the svk options..
[03:31] <phoenixz> hero, and then.. ?
[03:31] <chaotic> my computer wont  go back  to 1024  by 768 its stuck at 640  by 480
[03:31] <raylu> so, i understand that ndiswrapper-common's "ndiswrapper" is just a wrapper script to call ndw versions...but how do i get these versions? currently, running ndiswrapper gives me "no versions of ndiswrapper found!"
[03:31] <chaotic> what can i do
[03:31] <hero> phoenixz: and then i can't use the keyboard to move between virtual desktops
[03:31] <intelikey> phoenixz not *ubuntu  but  bash   and there is a #bash if you want to ask there
[03:32] <phoenixz> intelikey, I didnt know that was a bash option.. well, learning something new every day
[03:33] <phoenixz> intelikey, found it, I think.. the apt-get left a file behind in a bash-autocompletion.d dir..
[03:33] <intelikey> ok.  makes sense
[03:34] <phoenixz> hero, thats crap yeah.. do you know what keys exactly don't work?
[03:34] <hero> nah, i got it
[03:34] <hero> page down still screwed though
[03:35] <hero> if i could just find some docs on how to assign-reassign keys
[03:35] <hero> that is, without running a debug tool
[03:35] <phoenixz> intelikey, worsk!
[03:35] <intelikey> works
[03:35] <tams> hero: klineaconfig if I remember correcly but I couldn't get that working
[03:35] <intelikey> never seen a typo before ?
[03:36] <phoenixz> hero, keymapper package maybe?
[03:36] <hero> tams: don't have any program by that name
[03:37] <tams> sorry, klineakconfig
[03:37] <erov> keymapper does exist... ?
[03:37] <erov> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/utils/keymapper
[03:37] <hero> tams: yeah i don't have that
[03:37] <hero> what is yapps2-runtime?
[03:37] <tams> i't in the standard reps..
[03:38] <tams> *it's in the standard reps
[03:38] <erov> "Yet Another Python Parser System" runtime?
[03:38] <hero> repos, you mean? :D
[03:38] <hero> ok erov
[03:38] <tams> whatever...
[03:38] <erov> i dont know if thats quite it but it's called 'keymapper'
[03:40] <chaotic> is there any way to completely exit xserver
[03:40] <chaotic> and  go to root
[03:40] <intelikey> chaotic sure sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[03:40] <intelikey> chaotic login and   sudo -i
[03:42] <hero> ok keymapper is installed but i can't seem to find it anywhere
[03:42] <hero> is it a gui tool?
[03:42] <hero> or cli?
[03:43] <nzk|irssi> I'm about to restart X
[03:43] <nzk|irssi> Wish me luck
[03:43] <intelikey> good luck to me
[03:44] <hero> there's no keymapper manpage, infopage
[03:44] <chaotic> it took me out of  xserver but didnt  give me a prompt
[03:44] <intelikey> chaotic then you have frame buffering issues
[03:45] <chaotic> how do i get out of xserver and get a prompt
[03:45] <intelikey> chaotic alt+ctrl+f1
[03:45] <chaotic> yeah but that doesnt close xserver definetely
[03:45] <raylu> login and use "sudo killall kdm"
[03:45] <intelikey> well put the two togather
[03:45] <chaotic> nvidia   wants me to completely close it
[03:45] <intelikey> or can you not do that ?
[03:46] <raylu> wait a sec chaotic...didn't I mention installing nvidia drivers from the repos?
[03:46] <hero> i guess i'm out of luck on this problem
[03:46] <chaotic> didnt work
[03:46] <tams> hero: what about lineak?
[03:47] <hero> looks like you have to install a bunch of programs and a daemon for that
[03:48] <hero> fsck it
[03:48] <intelikey> tams still kinda sounds like kmix is binding to pgdn   check within kmix menu of config options
[03:48] <tams> correct
[03:48] <wepiha> hero: is this the changing desktop hotkey not working or keyboard layout from before?
[03:48] <intelikey> err sorry hero
[03:48] <tams> intelikey: ?
[03:48] <tams> :)
[03:48] <hero> wepiha: the problem is that the page down key, when used in conjunction with the function key is supposed to turn the volume down. in windows, that is.
[03:48] <intelikey> well your names are the same shortness
[03:49] <intelikey> you're both four letter words
[03:49] <hero> in kde/gnome/xfce, if i hit the pagedown it intermittently turns down the volume, and if i just hit the function key, it turns down the volume
[03:49] <tams> I'm flattered
[03:49] <wepiha> hero: have you tried changing your keyboard layout in system settings?
[03:50] <hero> yes, i have done that
[03:50] <hero> it makes no difference
[03:50] <wepiha> hero: ah
[03:50] <intelikey> hero is that ati chip sets  ?      i know that issue...
[03:50] <hero> it's an intel video card
[03:50] <hero> i don't see what the video card has to do with the keyboard layout
[03:50] <intelikey> no the mobo    is it ati ?
[03:51] <hero> i dunno
[03:51] <intelikey> lshw | less
[03:51] <hero> but when this laptop had windows on it, the function keys were not buggy
[03:51] <wepiha> does anyone know if you need to restart xorg after changing your xkb layout?
[03:51] <intelikey> hero heh i didn't run windows to see if it worked...  first hour  it got  cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
[03:52] <wepiha> that may be another setp
[03:52] <wepiha> s/setp/step/
[03:52] <intelikey> wepiha i think it can hot swap  but it's not a bad idea to reset X
[03:52] <hero> intelikey: that doesn't help. there aren't any ati products on this machine
[03:53] <hero> so it's not hardware related
[03:53] <intelikey> hero ok    that's not it then
[03:53] <hero> the type of keyboard isn't specified in the kernel config, right?
[03:53] <wepiha> hero: its setup in /etc/init.d/xorg.conf
[03:54] <hero> oh god
[03:54] <hero> this shouldn't be this difficult, heh
[03:54] <intelikey> hey some times your house burns up, and; some times your house burns down.
[03:54] <wepiha> lol @ intelikey
[03:54] <chaotic> yeah  didnt get a prompt after killall kdm
[03:55] <hero> wepiha: xorg.conf isn't stored there on this machine
[03:55] <hero> usr/lib?
[03:55] <wepiha> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:55] <intelikey> chaotic i told you after you kill ?dm    hit  alt+ctrl+f1
[03:55] <chaotic> i did
[03:55] <intelikey> try f2
[03:56] <hero> it's just pc104 in xorg, wepiha
[03:56] <intelikey> if there is no login prompt in tty1 or tty2 you have frame buffer issues to add to your list of things wrong with the system
[03:56] <wepiha> hero: ok, what brand/model laptop are you using?
[03:56] <hero> dell inspiron 1200
[03:58] <hero> wepiha: i have a feeling there's no code for that keyboard
[03:58] <Zombie> Hello?
[03:59] <tams> Zombie: yes, you can.
[03:59] <Zombie> Hm?
[03:59] <tams> hai
[03:59] <Zombie> I need to speak to some package maintainers.
[03:59] <Zombie> Particularly, with Vavoom.
[04:00] <wepiha> hero: ok. add a new line and comment out the old Driver. change it to Driver "xkb"
[04:00] <Biovore> hero: you tring to get the special keys like the play button to work in X?
[04:00] <Zombie> er
[04:00] <Zombie> Particularly, with PrBoom.
[04:00] <hero> wepiha: it is that driver already
[04:00] <herman> hi
[04:00] <hero> er
[04:00] <hero> xkb, not kb?
[04:00] <hero> er kbd
[04:01] <wepiha> opps typo
[04:01] <hero> i don't want to screw myself out of a working x configuration, ya know
[04:01] <wepiha> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.working ;)
[04:02] <Zombie> I'm getting a Xorg Lockup under PrBoom
[04:02] <hero> wepiha: so what driver do you want me to use?
[04:02] <intelikey> Zombie  PrBoom ?
[04:02] <Zombie> The Doom Port.
[04:02] <Zombie> Prboom is locking up X
[04:02] <chaotic> this thing is so frustrating
[04:03] <Zombie> (and KDE)
[04:03] <wers> do you think that kde-core is better than Kubuntu?
[04:03] <intelikey> hmmm oh.   ok.
[04:03] <Zombie> I need a maintainer to rebuild a deb for prboom 2.4.7
[04:03] <wepiha> hero: make sure your using kbd under section "InputDevice" where the Indentifier is something like "Keyboard0"
[04:03] <intelikey> wers kubuntu installs kde-core
[04:03] <wers> I mean, vanilla kde
[04:03] <hero> there is no keyboard0
[04:04] <wers> the kde-core without kubuntu packages
[04:04] <hero> are you sure you know what you're doing?
[04:04] <intelikey> wers   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38193
[04:05] <intelikey> wers i'd install kde rather than kde-core  but that's just me.   actually i wouldn't install kde* at all....  seeing that it's not installed
[04:05] <wers> yeah.. I know that already.. I just heard that slackware's kde is better than kubuntu's and that slackware is more of vanilla kde
[04:06] <chaotic> ctnrl alt  f1 then sudo killall  kdm
[04:06] <chaotic> screen  goes black after that
[04:06] <chaotic> no more prompt
[04:06] <wers> I guess, for less-advanced users, kubuntu would be the best choice
[04:06] <chaotic> yeah like me
[04:07] <intelikey> hero there is probably something like     Section "InputDevice"
[04:07] <intelikey>         Identifier      "Generic Keyboard"
[04:07] <intelikey> if i had to guess
[04:07] <vzduch> Zombie: mail Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:08] <darho> Hola a todos.
[04:09] <chaotic> im searching repos
[04:09] <miles> how do you find the restricted drivers manager in kde?
[04:09] <chaotic> which drive shoulld a geforce4   mx 4000  have
[04:09] <hero> yes, there is
[04:09] <hero> the file is here in front of me
[04:09] <vzduch> miles: Run Command -> restricted-manager
[04:09] <intelikey> miles use the konsole ?
[04:09] <hero> where's a list of drivers?
[04:10] <intelikey> hero did you make a backup of the config ?
[04:10] <hero> of course i will
[04:10] <hero> i'm just not going to do anything until i get more info
[04:10] <vzduch> chaotic: iirc, GF4 MX* is not supported by the current driver, so you'll want nvidia-glx-legacy
[04:10] <intelikey> hero the list is displayed for you to choose from if you      sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[04:11] <redshadowhero> could anyone help me set up a printer?
[04:11] <hero> what does the -plow switch mean?
[04:11] <intelikey> mean p low
[04:12] <intelikey> as opposed to p high
[04:12] <manowar> p=priority
[04:12] <vzduch> the opposite of -phigh, I guess.. CAUTION: this might mess up your keyboard configuration if you use anything other than en_US
[04:12] <hero> yeah, i'm not going to touch the file
[04:12] <hero> if someone could help me find docs on this, maybe
[04:12] <hero> but i'm not going to just screw with it
[04:13] <wepiha> hero: look in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
[04:13] <hero> thank you
[04:13] <miles> xorg is mad crazy
[04:13] <tams> redshadowhero: ask the actual question, it draws more attention
[04:13] <intelikey> simple as XFree86 imo
[04:13] <miles> i dont like xfree86, not sure why
[04:14] <hero> yeah, there's no driver for this inspiron
[04:14] <hero> just the 6xxx/8xxx models
[04:14] <hero> maybe they are similar, but there is no way to know
[04:14] <chaotic> how  do i know whats my identifier
[04:15] <intelikey> test it
[04:15] <chaotic> how
[04:15] <redshadowhero> alright, I'm trying to set up a xerox workcentre m940 so that the scanner and printer work
[04:15] <wepiha> its a good change its a nearer match than pc104 though
[04:15] <hero> hm
[04:15] <wers> guys, synce-kde does not work in feisty but it works in edgy.. are there feisty packages that I can edit to make synce-kde work?
[04:16] <wers> synce-kde is one of the most important apps for me.. I tend to use gnome because of gnome's synce
[04:16] <starn> how do i find out what monitor i use by command line?
[04:16] <tams> redshadowhero: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/XeroxFAQ
[04:16] <starn> allso why when i update kubuntu it makes a nother os in boot menu with 16 at end and not 15
[04:16] <miles> question -- i thought you only had to restart linux after you recompiled the kernel...how come restricted-manager is making me restart after installing nvidia driver?  whats up with that?
[04:17] <starn> !nvidia
[04:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <starn> woot
[04:17] <redshadowhero> tams: thanks, I'll have a read.
[04:17] <intelikey> starn updated the kernel
[04:17] <wepiha> miles: because your xorg driver needs to be recompiled to match your kernel revision
[04:17] <starn> lol i wanted to read that to
[04:17] <starn> ohh
[04:17] <starn> was testing to see if command would work :D
[04:17] <hero> funny how the drivers in that file *closely* match the drivers in kde's layout choices, but the inspiron one is not in the kde layout choices
[04:18] <miles> !nvidia
[04:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:18] <miles> o that is sick
[04:18] <hero> gosh, i'm just real squeamish about messing with xorg.conf
[04:18] <miles> sorry, first time in irc <-------------
[04:18] <miles> one more question -- are you guys all using konversation?
[04:18] <intelikey> miles nope
[04:18] <wepiha> hero: its listed near laptop in system settings
[04:18] <sayers> Kubuntu supports dual core right?
[04:18] <starn> how do i see what monitor is connected to pc when it dosnt say on the monitor it self
[04:18] <starn> yes
[04:19] <starn> i beleave so
[04:19] <starn> i run dual
[04:19] <starn> ...
[04:19] <sayers> Could've said all that in one line :)
[04:19] <miles> linux supports as many cores as u can physically build into ur pc
[04:19] <NickPresta> miles, I'm using XChat
[04:19] <miles> xchat > konversation??
[04:20] <wepiha> !imho
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imho - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <hero> wepiha: when you hit apply on that, does it really apply? or do i have to restart x?
[04:20] <sayers> miles: not really :s, in some ways yes , but Konversation runs better in KDE and feels better
[04:20] <hero> because i don't see any difference
[04:20] <miles> like... make -j2 will compile with 2 cores, if u have them
[04:20] <miles> oic
[04:20] <miles> yea, konversation is aight, its the only irc client ive ever used
[04:20] <wepiha> hero: well as intelikey put it, its not a bad idea to restart X
[04:20] <hero> miles: try the other programs, see what is right for YOU
[04:21] <miles> thanks for the advice!
[04:21] <hero> wepiha: yeah, but it might not work at that point. ugh.
[04:21] <intelikey> miles irssi  bitchx  xchat  kirc kvirx and many other irc clients
[04:21] <hero> can you still restart the xserver with ctrl alt backspace?
[04:21] <sayers> Why can I not play Amarok's Radio Stations it provides?
[04:21] <intelikey> ooops kvirv
[04:21] <intelikey> ooops kvirc
[04:21] <wepiha> hero: its a kde setting at that point!
[04:22] <intelikey> i'll get that right in a minute
[04:22] <hero> sayers: try #amarok
[04:22] <hero> wepiha: what do you mean?
[04:22] <Biovore> sayers: I think its because kubuntus defaults are out of date and those stations are alive anymore are at a different address/port
[04:22] <hero> kde writes to xorg.conf?
[04:22] <wepiha> hero: when you changed the setting in system settings, this is a per-user setting and not system-wide.
[04:22] <hero> wepiha: well, it doesn't make any difference. page down is still screwed up
[04:23] <intelikey> hero did you reset X ?
[04:23] <intelikey> hero changes in xorg.conf only affect new xsessions
[04:24] <hero> intelikey: well, if i did that, i would have /quit here
[04:24] <hero> fine
[04:24] <wepiha> ha good luck ;)
[04:24] <hero> i almost don't even care, except it's so stressful
[04:24] <intelikey> hero i didn't ask if you were talking on the same box you were working on...
[04:25] <miles> hello?
[04:25] <starn> how do i find out wich video card i use?
[04:25] <wepiha> hero: hmm that sucks to be stressed...
[04:25] <intelikey> so no way to know if you reset X or not except ask.
[04:25] <Kpr> How can I disable alt+ click move? I tried window behavior and guess what? NO CIGAR
[04:25] <hero> intelikey: alright, fair enough. you never answered why you hang out in kubuntu if you don't even use kde.
[04:25] <starn> i know its nvidia 6150 but i dont know if its 6150 le.. or not
[04:25] <miles> laff
[04:25] <miles> is anyone here running a kde4 build?
[04:25] <chaotic> thank u guys so much
[04:26] <intelikey> hero i'll answer that with a question.   are you sjuesting that i shouldn't ?
[04:26] <NickPresta> hero, perhaps he can offer his help to things that aren't disto. specific?
[04:26] <chaotic> that xorg config did it for u
[04:26] <hero> NickPresta: the channel is called kubuntu.
[04:26] <chaotic> for me
[04:26] <Syd> would anybody know how to downgrade to 6.10 after a partially failed 7.04 upgrade?
[04:26] <hero> nevermind
[04:26] <Syd> I'm having troubles doing it with apt-get
[04:26] <chaotic> im  at 1280 by 1024
[04:26] <Syd> it seems to be satisfied by all the packages already present
[04:26] <NickPresta> hero, so? People that use Debian with XFCE can still help in Kubuntu, for example. Perhaps he likes this channel and the people here?
[04:26] <Kpr> ?
[04:26] <chaotic> 4 hrs of troubleshooting finally payed off
[04:27] <draik> How do I make all of the KDE apps default instead of those from GNOME?
[04:27] <intelikey> NickPresta yeah maybe that's it...
[04:27] <NickPresta> lol
[04:27] <intelikey> err good answer
[04:27] <draik> chaotic: After the 1st hour, it better be worth it or for a VERY good cause
[04:27] <NickPresta> hey, I don't know why you're here but I'm happy to have you here. =)
[04:28] <hero> NickPresta: well, i've asked gnome-related questions in here and was asked to go to #ubuntu or #gnome. it's obvious that the *community* here wants some uniformity.  also, it's pretty frustrating when you have a kde-specific question and the person that answers says "try this, but i don't know because i don't use kde"
[04:29] <miles> how do u do that
[04:29] <intelikey> NickPresta you don't want to know why i'm here.
[04:29] <miles> pwn
[04:29] <Kpr> How can I disable alt+ click move? I tried window behavior and guess what? NO CIGAR
[04:29] <Syd> how comes the link to the know problems page in the topic brings to a site with a certificate mismatch?
[04:29] <intelikey> /me
[04:30] <NickPresta> hero, without getting into a war with you, I'll just say that this channel and most support channels are filled with people who offer their time and effort free-of-charge because they like to contribute back to a community (sometimes general communities, sometimes specific communities). You don't have to listen to anyone's answers here and as long as people aren't giving you incorrect answers, I see no probl
[04:30] <NickPresta> em with general help
[04:30] <intelikey> Kpr hmmm that's an x thang  not a kde thang    i've never tried to disable it, cause it's really useful sometimes
[04:31] <intelikey> Kpr are you sure you want to disable it ?
[04:31] <Kpr> It's pretty annoying when I'm using wine programs
[04:31] <miles> i am trying to look for 1280 by 1280 image size at google
[04:32] <Kpr> So yes
[04:32] <intelikey> ah wine.   wine might be able to over ride it specificly
[04:33] <Kpr> How might I go around doing that? Any points in the right direction would be appreciated
[04:33] <Kpr> I have about a thousand bugs now to solve specifically
[04:33] <wepiha> hero: ctrl-alt-backspace'd your way to success?
[04:34] <elknof3> hi every body
[04:34] <NickPresta> hello
[04:34] <miles> hello
[04:34] <elknof3> i have a question 4 u
[04:34] <miles> irc r0x!
[04:34] <miles> ok go on
[04:34] <NickPresta> !ask | elknof3
[04:34] <ubotu> elknof3: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:34] <elknof3> what works better and faster aiglx or xgl??
[04:35] <Syd> hi all
[04:36] <NickPresta> elknof3, which drivers do you use?
[04:36] <miles> question -- how come beryl kills vista aero
[04:36] <miles> ?
[04:36] <wers> what version of ubuntu mepis based on?
[04:37] <Syd> you mean it kills it because it is best?
[04:37] <NickPresta> miles, what do you mean?
[04:37] <Biovore> miles: It does alot more then aero
[04:37] <miles> kills = its better then
[04:37] <elknof3> wers: 6.06  dapper drake
[04:37] <miles> i got vista on my work laptop...weaksauce
[04:37] <elknof3> NickPresta: i810
[04:37] <elknof3> intel
[04:38] <Syd> it would have been fun if installing beryl on a linux on a pc with vista around made aero stop working...
[04:38] <wers> okay thanks
[04:38] <elknof3> but im working whit aiglx and beryl
[04:38] <elknof3> it works perfectly
[04:39] <wers> is 6.5 the latest version of mepis?
[04:39] <tams> bye
[04:39] <elknof3> wers: i ve downloaded yesterday 6.5
[04:40] <vzduch> good night folks :)
[04:40] <elknof3> i think its the laste version
[04:40] <elknof3> sorry for my english
[04:40] <wers> do you think mepis is somewhat better than kubuntu?
[04:40] <elknof3> its just than is not my native language
[04:40] <wers> I am a kubuntu user but synce-kde does not work with feisty so I'm thinking of trying another distro
[04:41] <elknof3> wers: i dont know i hevent istalled jet
[04:41] <miles> xubuntu is aight
[04:41] <elknof3> wers: im working whit kubuntu 7.04 feisty
[04:41] <NickPresta> miles, I believe it is a matter of opinion but if I had to pick one reason, I would probably pin Beryl/Compiz/Compiz-Fusion's success on it's open-source philosophy that anyone can write plugins and contribute to changes, etc. I find this helps rapid development more than closing yourself off to the world. What do I know? I don't own a company, let alone Microsoft and I haven't written anything like Compiz.
[04:41] <NickPresta> ;)
[04:42] <miles> i can tell you thought about that one
[04:42] <miles> i feel that beryl really does increase productivity..aero just kinda looks cool
[04:42] <miles> i never find myself using aero features
[04:43] <NickPresta> Well, I cannot live without the 'transparent-window when your mouse moves onto another window behind it' feature. That and the mini-window display that shows everything on my virtual desktop really helps.
[04:44] <miles> i think the cube and the expose-like feature help the most
[04:45] <theea> helo there
[04:45] <pimpster_mcgee> hi
[04:46] <theea> question do you know a software that can use yahoo mess features and to use yahoo acounts?
[04:47] <miles> gaim
[04:47] <miles> kopete
[04:47] <theea> kopete offer only webcam not also voice
[04:47] <theea> and skype ofers only voice
[04:48] <NickPresta> Pidgin lacks video conferencing and voice chat, sadly. However, you can still use your Yahoo account. You may consider a Skype + Kopete solution..
[04:49] <theea> so i should search after pidgin soft?
[04:49] <miles> skype for linux doesnt do video conf?
[04:49] <starn> how do i change my device's
[04:49] <theea> skype +kopete i use now but is silly
[04:49] <theea> no miles
[04:49] <starn> like in ubuntus gnome's devices manager thingy
[04:50] <miles> interesting...
[04:50] <NickPresta> theea, I agree that it is a little silly but it's the only solution available at this time, IIRC
[04:50] <theea> ok thanks
[04:51] <starn> better ye after installing gnomes device manger how do i open it for it dose not appare in menu
[04:52] <K-Ryan> Hi everyone, I'm on my laptop and I'm having trouble with sound.
[04:52] <K-Ryan> I've checked the stuff in alsamixer, I've even made sure that the sound card is enabled.
[04:52] <miles> type "lspci" in konsole
[04:52] <K-Ryan> The thing is, when I was running Fluxbuntu, sound worked perfectly.
[04:53] <K-Ryan> 0000:00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10)
[04:53] <K-Ryan> But now in Kubuntu, it refuses to play.
[04:53] <K-Ryan> Like Amarok and XMMS "play" the file
[04:53] <K-Ryan> But I hear nothing
[04:54] <miles> have you checked to make sure its compatible
[04:54] <miles> with kubuntu?
[04:54] <K-Ryan> Where would I check that?
[04:54] <K-Ryan> And if it's compatible with Fluxbuntu, it should be compatible with all *buntus shouldn't it?
[04:55] <starn> !nvidia
[04:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:56] <starn> how come this is not in menu
[04:56] <starn> System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager
[04:56] <K-Ryan> Because this is Kubuntu
[04:57] <miles> would google "<<your device name>> <<your ubuntu version..say  7.04>>"
[04:58] <K-Ryan> I'm on 6.06, not that it would really make a difference.
[04:58] <starn> well how would i use an restricted device manger?
[04:58] <starn> for i need to enable..
[04:58] <starn> am on 7..
[04:58] <K-Ryan> starn: I think you can download it from the repos, but I dunno
[04:58] <K-Ryan> 7.04
[04:58] <starn> yea i did
[04:58] <starn> but it well not list in menu
[04:58] <starn> and i dont know how to run
[04:58] <miles> open terminal type "restricted-manager"
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Type the package name into the terminal
[04:58] <starn> and am realy new to linux and currently hyper..
[04:58] <miles> you might need to be root
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> starn: try kdesu restricted-manager in konsole
[04:59] <starn> command not found
[04:59] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: You're not experienced with sound issues are you?
[04:59] <starn> maybe i missed type
[04:59] <starn> yea not found
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: not really, aside from compiling alsa into the kernel :)
[05:00] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: My sound won't work in Kubuntu =/
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: do you know the kernel driver for the card?
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: oh, wait, its unmuted right?
[05:00] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Nope, but I know it's in here because when I use Fluxbuntu, it works
[05:00] <erov> yeah it should work k-ryan honestly.. dont know what to tell you.. does it bomb out with errors or does it act like it's playing you just hear nothing
[05:01] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Right, just no sound plays
[05:01] <K-Ryan> erov: The latter
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: you unmuted it in kmix or alsamixer, right?
[05:01] <erov> and you are postive.. on the mixer/mute settings
[05:01] <K-Ryan> Positively
[05:01] <K-Ryan> I've tried unmuting everything that is muted
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> ok, just checking :)
[05:02] <erov> is the "led" that you click to mute.. lit or unlit
[05:02] <starn> found my prob
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: and your speakers/headphones are plugged in, right?
[05:02] <erov> that can be confusing..
[05:02] <starn> ty guys
[05:02] <erov> hehe
[05:02] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: It's a laptop
[05:02] <erov> KMix
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: k :) just checking everything
[05:03] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: I know, I'm just letting you know
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: try disabling the kde sound system and see if that helps
[05:03] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: How so?
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: it won't affect any apps, just the kde system sounds
[05:04] <miles> did you guys know that  wu-tang is making a new cd?
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: its in kcontrol
[05:04] <trakinas> hi!
[05:04] <trakinas> where can I find old kubuntu kernels?
[05:04] <K-Ryan> Hi trakinas!
[05:04] <trakinas> 2.6.17, for instance
[05:04] <miles> k-ryan - go to youtube and see if you can get any sound off a video there
[05:04] <miles> i noticed i was able to do that, but i couldnt play a cd
[05:04] <K-Ryan> miles: Don't have flash working >.>
[05:04] <miles> oic
[05:04] <miles> thats ruff
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: under sound & multimedia
[05:04] <K-Ryan> Yeah, been working on that too
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: uncheck 'enable sound system'
[05:05] <K-Ryan> I've got a whole lot of nothin'
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: you applied it right?
[05:05] <K-Ryan> Yep
[05:06] <Biovore> yeah.. alot of comerical apps try to use the old OSS interface.. if the KDE arts thing is running.. it locks up the OSS interface to applications can't access it to play sound..
[05:06] <DaSkreech> trakinas: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> sometimes arts likes to grab the sound system for itself
[05:06] <trakinas> I LOST THE GAME! (damn)
[05:06] <DaSkreech> trakinas: So I won?
[05:06] <miles> hey yall
[05:06] <Biovore> well its a problem with alsa/oss emulation.. and the fact most soundcards dont do hardware mixing..
[05:07] <Biovore> creative cards don't have a problem with this locking..
[05:07] <K-Ryan> I don't have the luxury of changing and or buying a new card
[05:07] <K-Ryan> And what's worse, Fluxbuntu won't boot from the Live CD..
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: ok, pastebin dmesg
[05:08] <trakinas> DaSkreech: thanks!
[05:08] <trakinas> DaSkreech: www.losethegame.com
[05:08] <starn> how do i make kubutu selecte monitor automaticaly?
[05:08] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: It's a lot of I/O errors
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: see if alsa is even initializing, it may have incorrectly id'd the card on install
[05:09] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: How?
[05:11] <starn> do i type sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig ?
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: do you have bootsplash setup or are you booting with scrolling text?
[05:12] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Boot splash
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: as in do you see the pretty kubuntu logo on startup?
[05:13] <K-Ryan> woo, got flash working
[05:13] <K-Ryan> still no sound
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: one down
[05:13] <K-Ryan> It's a tad laggy watching videos though =/
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: can you pastebin the output of dmesg?
[05:14] <K-Ryan> Yeah hold on, lemme just plug in my charger..
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> k
[05:16] <K-Ryan> I can't even get the whole thing
[05:16] <K-Ryan> How can I dump it to a file?
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: dmesg > <name_of_file>
[05:16] <Biovore> dmesg | less
[05:16] <Biovore> to go to a pager..
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: the > redirects stdout to whatever comes after it
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: or >> to append to a file
[05:17] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Right
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: bash 101 :)
[05:18] <K-Ryan> I haven't learned all the tricks to bash
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: that puts you with about 99% of folks out there :P
[05:18] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Yeah..
[05:19] <K-Ryan> I'm working on python though
[05:19] <DaSkreech> !commands
[05:19] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).   Biggest mistake of my life.
[05:22] <K-Ryan> I heard python was better
[05:22] <nzk> Now that I am learning C I have to unlearn all these stupid habits.
[05:22] <K-Ryan> So obviously it's personal choice
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> nzk: i started on basic...try unlearning THOSE habits sometime :)
[05:23] <starn> !monitor
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: ok, check if lspci even has it listed
[05:24] <K-Ryan> It does
[05:24] <K-Ryan> 0000:00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10)
[05:24] <starn> ?
[05:24] <nzk> K-Ryan, I heard that the moon is made of cheese, the earth is flat, and that oceans are a conspiracy to make you swim.
[05:25] <K-Ryan> nzk: I've "heard" from you perl is better
[05:25] <K-Ryan> =)
[05:25] <starn> dose lspci allso list monitor?
[05:25] <starn> brand and model?
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> starn: nope, everything on the pci bus
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> starn: should list the vid card, tho :)
[05:25] <starn> how do i view what monitor i have?
[05:25] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: At the very end of that, see that logical block error?
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: that's hd issues
[05:26] <K-Ryan> This is a laptop
[05:26] <K-Ryan> There's nothing above hda
[05:27] <starn> for its not writen on back of monitor
[05:27] <starn> all i know is its dell
[05:27] <K-Ryan> Check in System Settings?
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: try modprobe -l and see if anything comes up that looks like drivers for the card
[05:27] <K-Ryan> Out of all that I did see a media section
[05:27] <miles> bye
[05:27] <starn> on back i see REV AO3 is that the model its under a small barcode a very small one
[05:28] <K-Ryan> starn: Most likely
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> starn: if it has a serial no., you may be able to google that
[05:28] <starn> ok
[05:29] <jhutchins> starn: Go with VESA/Plug-and-play.
[05:30] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Google wouldn't hit _his_ serial number.
[05:30] <starn> what do i do when the monitor and display settings thingy says
[05:30] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Wouldn't distinguish it from any other N-digit number.
[05:30] <starn> the module monitor and display could not be loaded
[05:31] <starn> the diagnostics is: possible reason: an error accured during yyour last kde upgrade leaving an orphaned control module   you have old third part modules lying around
[05:31] <jhutchins> starn: You can see what the settings are when it's runnign Windows; or you can just force whatever resolution you want on a generic monitor.
[05:31] <starn> and how would i know if it dose
[05:32] <jhutchins> !fixres | starn
[05:32] <ubotu> starn: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:32] <jhutchins> starn: Read taht.
[05:32] <jhutchins> that even.
[05:32] <jhutchins> I really need a new keyboard.
[05:32] <starn> the site?
[05:32] <redshadowhero> hey, does anyone know where I can find drivers for a printer?
[05:33] <Biovore> what printer?
[05:33] <jhutchins> !cups redshadowhero
[05:33] <jhutchins> !cups | redshadowhero
[05:33] <ubotu> redshadowhero: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Brought to you by apple
[05:33] <jhutchins> Computers are such literal beasts.
[05:33] <Biovore> well there machines..
[05:36] <mememe> can anyone tell me how to enable apport?
[05:37] <starn> what was that site agen?
[05:37] <mememe> ....ive got a crashing application and was hoping to send in the crash report from apport
[05:38] <redshadowhero> ubotu: It appears as if my specific printer isn't on any of that list; I'm trying to get the printer (a xerox workcentre m940, by the by) to work, and its additional scanner to work as well.
[05:38] <starn> !monitor
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <chaotic> dude i gotta tell u guys i enjoy kubuntu 10   times more than windows
[05:38] <erov> !fixres | starn
[05:38] <ubotu> starn: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:38] <starn> thanks!
[05:38] <starn> need to book mark that
[05:38] <DaSkreech> chaotic: Welcome
[05:39] <chaotic> thanks
[05:40] <chaotic> i was kinda surprised when i found out u can run all windows apps and games
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Nearly all
[05:40] <chaotic> with like wine and cedega
[05:40] <jhutchins> starn: It's not guaranteed to have your answer, it's just got more answers than I do.
[05:40] <K-Ryan> There are some kinks
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> chaotic: i would say some...
[05:40] <starn> yea
[05:40] <jhutchins> chaotic: Certainly not all.
[05:40] <K-Ryan> jhutchins: Well I'm sure you can run them all
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> chaotic: wine and cedega don't always work that well
[05:40] <chaotic> yeah i know u get errors here and there
[05:40] <starn> i am trying to figer out how to fix monitor and display thingy soo i can change em!
[05:41] <chaotic> but theres always work arounds
[05:41] <K-Ryan> The success of the program is what's in question...
[05:41] <DaSkreech> K-Ryan: Want to put something of value on that?
[05:41] <jhutchins> chaotic: The more the apps take advantage of glitches, bugs, errors, and back doors, the less likely the app will work, but...
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins: which is most every game out there :)
[05:41] <K-Ryan> DaSkreech: No I'm saying that you can run the program, but it working well is not promised
[05:41] <wepiha> how do I start knemo?
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Or even expected
[05:41] <starn> well found my monitor
[05:41] <jhutchins> From some recent crow pie I have eaten, I know that cedega doesn't do much good unless you have an Nvidia card.
[05:41] <starn> DELL E197FP
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I've had games crash out instantly
[05:42] <DaSkreech> But that's beside the point :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> What's important is that Winamp works
[05:42] <jhutchins> Gfh!&%&$%(#@%^!~!~~!!!!!
[05:42] <jhutchins> Winamp!?!?!
[05:43] <starn> in xorg what do i edit to make res higher?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:43] <jhutchins> You would run WINAMP on a LINUX system?
[05:43] <jhutchins> starn: You might edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but try krandrtray fist.
[05:43] <DaSkreech> LinAmp?
[05:43] <jhutchins> first.
[05:44] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: AMAROK!
[05:44] <starn> krandtray?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Doesn't have NSV
[05:44] <jhutchins> Winamp was nice - in the ninetys.
[05:44] <chaotic> oh snap i think  if im not mistaken did an error free ao tinstall
[05:44] <DaSkreech> First app that adds support for nsv I'll highlight and walk behind it with a horn
[05:44] <chaotic> anarchy online
[05:45] <chaotic> been trying to get that all day
[05:45] <starn> well i might need to download it..
[05:45] <jhutchins> I am way too worn out from running a skidloader for 2 hours to deal with this worn out keyboard.
[05:45] <jhutchins> G'Night all.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:45] <chaotic> subuntu sudo some times conflicts with  wines
[05:46] <starn> adept manager aint loading
[05:46] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: mplayer or vlc dude.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> they have nsv support
[05:46] <DaSkreech> ?
[05:46] <starn> type this? apt-get install krandrtray
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Sweet :0
[05:47] <starn> nvm
[05:47] <starn> but dint find it
[05:47] <DaSkreech> now I just need an aggregator
[05:47] <DaSkreech> !info kranrtray
[05:47] <ubotu> Package kranrtray does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:47] <DaSkreech> !info krandrtray
[05:47] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:48] <starn> how come every thing i try to run dosnt?
[05:48] <starn> that uses kde
[05:49] <starn> like krandrtray and apedt manager w.e
[05:49] <starn> nvm fixed
[05:49] <starn> just some thing about it it wasnt runing
[05:49] <starn> maybe i needed to log in as root
[05:49] <starn> unno
[05:51] <starn> oh neat i have krandrtray on here already
[05:51] <wepiha> does anyone know of a media sharing tool for Linux that can stream to an xbox360?
[05:51] <starn> wonder if it well start.
[05:53] <chaotic> hey guys how do u install programs with makefiles like winrar
[05:54] <chaotic> ark  for somereason  doesnt recognize r01r02r03
[05:54] <Biovore> well rar is close source.. so there is no make file for it..
[05:55] <chaotic> yeah   theres a make  file    in it
[05:55] <erov> ark wont open r01 r00 .. only rar and then the others in succession
[05:55] <erov> if it still wont open it.. use winrar in wine..
[05:55] <DaSkreech> !info unrar
[05:55] <DaSkreech> !info unrar-free
[05:55] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 94 kB, installed size 228 kB
[05:55] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:56] <Biovore> you tring to extract multipul file archive?
[05:56] <erov> the unrar-free sometimes doesnt work.. i dont know why
[05:56] <erov> very particular archives
[05:56] <DaSkreech> cause it's a version behind
[05:56] <Biovore> encryption sometimes breaks things..
[05:57] <chaotic> tellsmmmme the utility  unrar is not in ur PATH
[05:57] <K-Ryan> I hate this -.-
[05:57] <K-Ryan> My sound doesn't work >.>
[05:57] <nzk> Hmm
[05:57] <nzk> Give it a raise, maybe it will get back to work
[05:57] <K-Ryan> It's on vacation
[05:58] <K-Ryan> I'm not giving it a raise
[05:58] <chaotic> what should i do to unrar  these
[05:58] <chaotic> is there another program
[05:58] <K-Ryan> !rar
[05:58] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[05:58] <K-Ryan> !info unrar-free
[05:59] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:59] <starn> what do i edit in xorg to config res?
[05:59] <starn> i want 1280x1024
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> there used to be a free solution called notrar
[06:03] <chaotic> i installed unrar  free   where would be at
[06:03] <wepiha> chaotic: ark should be able to handle rar files now
[06:03] <chaotic> same thing
[06:04] <wepiha> have you installed unrar and unrar-free?
[06:04] <wepiha> and / or
[06:05] <chaotic> i installed unrar free
[06:06] <ShockValue> can someone tell me what the line is supposed to look like at: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Feisty_with_nVidia#Kubuntu
[06:06] <wepiha> hmm depending on the rar-file version, unrar-free looks to provide extract for files less than version 3.0
[06:06] <ShockValue> the one that starts :  echo deb "http....."
 (EQ)
[06:14] <ShockValue> Daisuke-Ido: i dunno, ive just been reading up on some of the fancy new window graphics stuff.. is beryl what I want?
[06:15] <Daisuke-Ido> probably
[06:15] <Daisuke-Ido> are you running feisty?
[06:15] <ShockValue> i want beryl in KDE.. yes feisty
[06:15] <Daisuke-Ido> graphics carD?
[06:15] <ShockValue> nvidia 7600gs
[06:15] <Daisuke-Ido> ah, same as mine :D
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> ShockValue: actually, beryl is dead, compiz-fusion is probably what you want :)
[06:15] <ShockValue> oh well then, i dont want to bother trying out a dead fork.
[06:16] <Daisuke-Ido> hitmanWilly: i'm sticking with beryl until compiz-fusion works
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> :P
[06:16] <miles> no Enemy Territory RTCW
[06:16] <Daisuke-Ido> cube enabled?  yes.  rotation enabled?  yes.  can i use either of these?  no!
[06:16] <miles> i have never used compiz, is it sick?
[06:16] <ShockValue> i just re-installed fiesty this evening.. i fought with my ATI card for a week and figured i'd slap in this nvidia card before i broke my computer (with my boot)
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> miles: ive got the new one on reserve at gamestop :)
[06:17] <miles> thats cool..but i mean, do you have it on linux?...basically, does anyone know if the ET package exists in the ubuntu repos?
[06:17] <miles> straight up
[06:17] <miles> i cant find a real answer
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> miles: it was released free, so probably
[06:19] <K-Ryan> miles: I don't know if they're in the repos, but I know you can get it for linux
[06:19] <miles> ok thank you
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> miles: its in the gentoo repos, so it probably is in the ubuntu ones :)
[06:19] <miles> but i already knew that :-{P
[06:19] <miles> o
[06:20] <miles> so, do yall wanna scrim sometime...?
[06:20] <miles> ...?
[06:20] <miles> :(
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> miles: sorry, more of a UT player lately :)
[06:21] <Biovore> same
[06:21] <Biovore> I think we get UT editor now as well :-)
[06:22] <miles> UT...is it open?
[06:22] <Biovore> Unreal Tournamate 2k4
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> miles: no, but it does have a nix client, on the install cd even :)
[06:22] <miles> is it worth it?
[06:23] <miles> cuz i love css
[06:23] <miles> love it
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> miles: absolutely
[06:23] <Biovore> UT has a native port for linux
[06:23] <K-Ryan> Yeah, it was fun
[06:23] <miles> laff out loud
[06:23] <raylu> wow...this kubuntu install is taking forever...
[06:23] <K-Ryan> Even though it's '07
[06:23] <miles> i know it does, but is it better then css?
[06:23] <K-Ryan> I loved playing the demo
[06:23] <Biovore> I play TAM.. its like CSS but with ut weapons..
[06:23] <miles> and remember, i love css
[06:23] <raylu> cs:s < *
[06:23] <K-Ryan> miles: They're different
[06:23] <raylu> please don't call it css :P
[06:23] <Biovore> yeah.. its quake with dodging..
[06:23] <miles> steam needs to get on it
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> UT is FAST...
[06:24] <raylu> no! steam is terrible
[06:24] <K-Ryan> 2k4 isn't as fast
[06:24] <raylu> the less games that get steam-ified, the better
[06:24] <K-Ryan> In the larger levels anyway
[06:24] <Biovore> value actualy has the ablility to port to linux.. they just don't want to..
[06:24] <miles> thats why im sayin they need to get on it
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> well, not that fast, but its old-school DM fast
[06:24] <K-Ryan> Biovore: Of course they CAN
[06:24] <miles> they love bill gates too much
[06:25] <Biovore> there engine can do OpenGL on PS3..  not much work is needed..
[06:25] <miles> OpenGL on PS3?
[06:25] <Biovore> well I think it come back to support..
[06:25] <Biovore> yeah.. PS3 is all opengl
[06:25] <miles> wow
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> miles: that's the rendering engine ps3 uses
[06:25] <miles> and we could run the same engine on linux..right?
[06:26] <miles> so if your hardware was fast enough...we could run ps3 off our box?
[06:26] <Biovore> everyone dose OpenGL..  Microsoft has a interface layer called Direct X that uses the same hardware calls, just under a different name.. (Direct is more updated then OpenGL.. )
[06:26] <miles> o yea....wait now i remember, ps3 actually has some kind of dist. on it
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> miles: not exactly the same but directx vs opengl is what keeps most games from being ported
[06:26] <Biovore> yeah.. you can install linux on it..
[06:26] <miles> loves it
[06:28] <khaije1bb> where does sdl come into all this?
[06:28] <miles> sdl?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> sdl is just software rendering
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> IIRC
[06:29] <Biovore> sdl can do OpenGL
[06:29] <Biovore> UT2k4 is done in it..
[06:29] <miles> wtf
[06:29] <surgy> how do i fix this?: /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/gddb.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module gddb_parser: This Python has API version 1013, module gddb_parser has version 1012.
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> !sdl
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <Biovore> surgy: complain to transgamming..
[06:29] <miles> !enemy territory
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about enemy territory - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <miles> !et
[06:29] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[06:30] <khaije1bb> I thought it was a simplified platform-independent api for opengl...?
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> !find enemy-territory
[06:30] <Biovore> surgy: probably need python 4 or 5 (there are 2 version out there)
[06:30] <ubotu> Package/file enemy-territory does not exist in feisty
[06:30] <miles> hates it!
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> !find et
[06:30] <ubotu> Found: aspell-et, console-setup, contact-lookup-applet, cricket, deskbar-applet (and 913 others)
[06:30] <miles> see i already checked that
[06:30] <miles> just sometimes, it is under a name i wouldnt  think of
[06:30] <miles> like the java 6 jdk
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> miles: adept search it :)
[06:30] <miles> o
[06:30] <miles> sun-java-jdk6
[06:31] <miles> or somethin crazy
[06:31] <Daisuke-Ido> not there
[06:31] <miles> sorry guys, this is my first day using irc
[06:31] <Daisuke-Ido> don't stress it
[06:31] <miles> this is so crazy!
[06:31] <Daisuke-Ido> i don't think ET is in the repos though
[06:31] <Daisuke-Ido> maybe straight from iD?
[06:31] <miles> yea ive come to that conclusion also
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> there's probably a deb out there for it somewhere
[06:31] <miles> no its cool, i got it, ive installed it before, just not from an ubunto reps
[06:32] <surgy> Biovore: can i ju8st installl thew package "python-all" to fix this?
[06:32] <Kpr> I like my SPICY SPICY chicken
[06:32] <miles> u silly!
[06:32] <Biovore> yeah.. most comerical software you have to use there installer
[06:32] <miles> et is sick tho
[06:32] <miles> i used to play that in school..smoked all my class mates
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> miles: ive actually never tried, will have to give it a go
[06:33] <miles> its like bf2 kind of
[06:33] <Kpr> ET?
[06:33] <Kpr> ..Oh that ain't workin o here
[06:33] <Kpr> *on
[06:33] <miles> er..bf2 is kind of like et
[06:33] <miles> no ive seen it!
[06:33] <Kpr> ?
[06:33] <K-Ryan> Anyone have any recommendations on what to do when your sound doesn't work?
[06:33] <Kpr> That's what I mean
[06:33] <K-Ryan> Media is played, but I can't hear it
[06:33] <miles> !alien
[06:33] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:34] <K-Ryan> OH!
[06:34] <Kpr> Oh, your sound just doesn't work, Ryan?
[06:34] <K-Ryan> I GET IT NOW!
[06:34] <K-Ryan> !botsnack
[06:34] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:34] <K-Ryan> Haha
[06:34] <miles> your welcome k-ryan
[06:34] <K-Ryan> Kpr: Correct
[06:34] <K-Ryan> Thanks miles, that was half the equation
[06:34] <miles> haha
[06:34] <miles> i was just messing
[06:35] <Kpr> Hmm...well
[06:35] <Kpr> I'm off to do something...
[06:35] <Kpr> Who knows what
[06:35] <miles> o rly?
[06:35] <K-Ryan> !sound
[06:35] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:35] <miles> !mp3
[06:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:35] <miles> this is so crazy
[06:35] <miles> whoa
[06:35] <miles> i just typed
[06:35] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[06:36] <miles> "/clear"
[06:36] <K-Ryan> And?
[06:36] <miles> that is so useful!
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:36] <miles> seriously, first time in IRC..
[06:36] <K-Ryan> Yeah >.>
[06:36] <miles> !?
[06:36] <miles> how do u do that
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> miles: the /me tag
[06:37] <miles> clear
[06:37] <miles> o man
[06:37] <miles> "/me"?
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> miles: try it :)
[06:39] <miles> doesnt work
[06:39] <miles> o
[06:39] <miles> there we go
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> miles: everything in irc can be done with / cmds
[06:39] <jbbarnes> Can someone help me with setting passwords in Kubuntu 7.04?
[06:39] <miles> yea i somehow knew that
[06:39] <miles> it just..makes sense
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> miles: i use irssi so ive kinda had to learn them :)
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: what passwords are you trying to set, your current user?
[06:41] <jbbarnes> Has anyone else had problems with the graphical "System Settings" app not setting passwords correctly?
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: just use passwd in konsole
[06:42] <jbbarnes> Yes, I can get that to work fine. I want to set this up so a client can administer it. It would be nice to get the GUI app working.
[06:42] <jbbarnes> The passwd definitely works.
[06:42] <miles> im not sure but...
[06:42] <miles> !qt
[06:42] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[06:42] <jbbarnes> He's capable, but not good on the command line.
[06:43] <miles> you know..one time at my job, i was researching something, and i called TrollTech, the people who make QT
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: set up a shortcut to run passwd for him :)
[06:43] <miles> i was so honored
[06:44] <jbbarnes> hitmanWilly: To answer your question, I can create users in the gui, but it will not successfully set a password. So the new user cannot login until I run sudo passwd username.
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: seriously tho, what does the graphical tool screw up?
[06:44] <jbbarnes> It just won't set passwords successfully.
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: are you running in admin mode?
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: oh, nm, it wouldn't add users if you weren't :P
[06:45] <jbbarnes> I am logged in as "kubunto" then start the "System Settings" app, then click the "Administrator" button before creating users.
[06:45] <miles> hey i know
[06:45] <miles> jbb: i got your solution
[06:45] <jbbarnes> Miles, Really?
[06:45] <miles> i think
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: you could try running kdesu kcontrol
[06:45] <jbbarnes> Let me try...
[06:46] <miles> write a small qt based app, place in /usr/bin, and have a script make a new user, and they must run that program at login for first time
[06:46] <miles> or is that plain non-sense?
[06:46] <miles> !/
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> miles: no, makes sense, but quite a few people aren't adept at coding :)
[06:47] <miles> o
[06:47] <miles> see..i always think about things like that.  I dont know anyone that knows anything about linux, so i never know if thats really how its done
[06:47] <jbbarnes> Looks like it will let me change the current user's password. Looking for a place to add/modify users.
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> miles: however, a bash script could do the same thing, and those are much easier to write
[06:47] <surgy> what will cause this error:?
[06:47] <miles> o yea, but he said gui
[06:47] <surgy> [ERROR]    - Mouse Wheel supported = TRUE
[06:47] <surgy> mmtime pid=6154 tid=6163
[06:47] <surgy> wine: Unhandled exception, starting debugger...
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> surgy: try in #wine, maybe some devs are around :)
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: ive always found kcontrol to be easier to use than the new system settings app
[06:50] <jbbarnes> hitman, does it allow you to create/modify other users' accounts, or just your own?
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: actually, i think taht's another app
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: there is a gui tool for it somewhere tho :)
[06:51] <jbbarnes> Okay, for instance, I just created a new user with webmin, assigning a password. Works fine. Same with the command line tools.
[06:52] <miles> !dd-wrt
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd-wrt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:52] <miles> dd-wrt is frickin nasty!
[06:52] <jbbarnes> It makes me wonder about the GUI. This is a Windows guy, interested in Linux, and I hate to start off by saying that the add user program doesn't even work.
[06:52] <jbbarnes> Not confidence inspiring....
[06:53] <miles> if the dude already is in love with bill gates, you cant do much
[06:53] <jbbarnes> He's a willing convert, though...
[06:53] <miles> they all are /me looks away in shame
[06:53] <miles> o dang, it didnt work
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: the power of bash is actually what got me off of windoze
[06:54] <miles> the power of bash, this man is brilliant!
[06:54] <jbbarnes> Yeah, BASH is great.
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> miles: / cmds only work at the beginning of a line
[06:54] <miles> question -- does anyone here develop java on linux?
[06:54] <miles> thank you
[06:54] <miles> that is so sweet
[06:54] <miles> guys, so sorry
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> i hated how redmond seemed to be trying to bury its DOS roots, and when they actually got rid of the true cmd line altogether, i simply gave up on them, among other reasons
[06:56] <jbbarnes> Yeah, it's pretty doggoned hard to automate a GUI
[06:56] <jbbarnes> Nicer to use scripts.
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: but anyway, usually the graphical tools work reasonably well, it may just be an error somewhere
[06:58] <jbbarnes> That's good to know. I'm actually new to Kubuntu, so I was hoping this was just a fluke.
[06:58] <miles> !flash
[06:58] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:58] <jbbarnes> It's running in vmware, and the vmware image came from the Kubuntu site. Maybe I should just make my own and try again.
[06:58] <miles> !gnash
[06:58] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: ah, that's probably the issue, vmware images can be buggy
[07:01] <jbbarnes> He wants an ftp server at his office but can't find any good ftp programs for Windows. I told him he could run vsftpd under Linux in a vmware machine, so that's what I was trying to set up.
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: but the user managment  GUI thing works fine on this end, so it's probably just a local issue
[07:01] <jbbarnes> I'm going to try again, by creating my own vmware machine rather than the one I downloaded.
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> jbbarnes: yeah, you may want to try building your own
[07:03] <jbbarnes> I have to say I really like these debs as opposed to rpms. apt-get is nice.
[07:04] <Nyle> well guys, I gave ubuntu a fair shot didn't like it, debian amd64 here i come
[07:05] <miles> o
[07:05] <HyperCity> !pastebin
[07:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:10] <miles> irc
[07:10] <K-Ryan> So, none of the 288 people here can help me figure out what's wrong with my sound
[07:11] <nzk> K-Ryan, PEBKAC virus
[07:12] <K-Ryan> PEBKAC?
[07:12] <jbbarnes> Yeah, probably PEBKAC
[07:12] <K-Ryan> What's PEBKAC
[07:12] <K-Ryan> And virus?
[07:12] <NickPresta> K-Ryan, problem exists between keyboard and chair
[07:12] <K-Ryan> It hasn't worked since install
[07:12] <NickPresta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebkac
[07:12] <K-Ryan> Oh, got it >.>
[07:13] <jbbarnes> What type of sound card?
[07:13] <K-Ryan> I'll get you the lspci line
[07:13] <K-Ryan> But the thing is
[07:13] <K-Ryan> In Fluxbuntu
[07:13] <K-Ryan> It worked fine
[07:13] <jbbarnes> Is that stable yet?
[07:13] <K-Ryan> Yes
[07:13] <jbbarnes> I thought it wasn't officially released yet. Huh.
[07:13] <jbbarnes> Good to hear.
[07:13] <K-Ryan> It won't be
[07:14] <K-Ryan> Not under Canonical anyway
[07:14] <jbbarnes> I thought they said they got into the development cycle late and were going to wait until the next cycle to be in sync.
[07:14] <K-Ryan> They got into Feisty late
[07:14] <uadever> hi everybody
[07:15] <K-Ryan> So they skipped it
[07:15] <K-Ryan> Straight to Gutsy
[07:15] <K-Ryan> Hi there uadever
[07:15] <jbbarnes> Ah.
[07:15] <uadever> I'm looking for help with feisty
[07:15] <K-Ryan> !ask
[07:15] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:15] <uadever> since I upgraded I can't seem to mount and read a ntfs partition on external usb hard disk
[07:16] <K-Ryan> Is it in fstab?
[07:16] <uadever> let me try to find out
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> ok, i need to get some sleep, c y'all later
[07:16] <K-Ryan> Bye hitmanWilly
[07:18] <uadever> K-ryan: would it help if I pasted in here the actual content of my fstab?
[07:19] <K-Ryan> !pastebin | uadever
[07:19] <ubotu> uadever: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:19] <miles> does anyone here know about emulators? for ps1 or ps2?
[07:19] <miles> !emulator
[07:19] <uadever> it's not large
[07:19] <uadever> thing is
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emulator - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <miles> ?
[07:19] <K-Ryan> You would be better off doing that
[07:20] <skollie> miles: do a search in synaptic
[07:21] <K-Ryan> uadever: People tend to complain about pastes in here more than 3 lines
[07:21] <uadever> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29982/
[07:21] <miles> no, i mean does anyone know how they work? is it legal?
[07:21] <jbbarnes> Emulators are legal...
[07:21] <K-Ryan> miles: The legality is questionable
[07:21] <uadever> that's the link I think I should paste
[07:22] <jbbarnes> But you often need ROM images...
[07:22] <K-Ryan> uadever: Yep
[07:22] <jbbarnes> and they are copyrighted.
[07:22] <K-Ryan> jbbarnes: Good point
[07:22] <uadever> phew
[07:22] <K-Ryan> The emulators are legal
[07:22] <K-Ryan> The ROMs are the questionable part
[07:22] <arun> hello people
[07:23] <miles> stallman loves emulators?
[07:23] <jbbarnes> You can emulate just about everything from a TRS-80 to a Playstation. But you have to look for ROMS in questionable areas.
[07:23] <uadever> K-Ryan, before the upgrade, when I plugged the external usb hd, both partitions, fat32 and ntfs would automatically be mounted and opened in konqueror
[07:24] <K-Ryan> What happened to hda2-4?
[07:24] <arun> is there anywhere i can set a keyboard shortcut to minimise all windows? i know i can click on the icon next to the quicklauncher, but is there a keyboard shortcut?
[07:24] <uadever> what would hda2-4 be?
[07:25] <K-Ryan> arun: There's an applet you can put in your taskbar
[07:25] <K-Ryan> And if you click it everything get's minimized
[07:25] <arun> K-Ryan: I know about the applet, I was looking for a keyboard shortcut