[12:00] <KingArthur10> no, technically, ipw2100/220 does work out of the box.  just didn't with mine
[12:00] <KingArthur10> worked on the pre-release of Horay, then broke when I updated to the full release.  Don't know why.  tried reinstalling the full release, still broken
[12:00] <KingArthur10> using a PC-card wi-fi card currently.  works, just kinda annoying
[12:01] <topyli> hrm
[12:01] <senator32> holycow, i installed linneighborhood and got the exact same error
[12:01] <holycow> whats that again?
[12:02] <senator32> libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root.
[12:02] <senator32> 7930: Connection to SENATOR32 failed
[12:02] <senator32> SMB connection failed
[12:02] <senator32> thats when i attempted to mount
[12:02] <holycow> *hmmm* weird, google that, i've never seen it before
[12:03] <holycow> sorry for the lame answer i wish i could be more specific
[12:03] <senator32> i tryed
[12:03] <senator32> i know
[12:03] <holycow> nothing?
[12:03] <senator32> nope
[12:03] <Goonie> KingArthur10~ ipw2200 v. 0.19 is way borky... the new version works like a charm ppl tell me.. just don't know how to uninstall my current verion and compile the new one
[12:03] <holycow> *ummm* i'm at a loss, my appologies i would like to help
[12:03] <senator32> i have got the 1000,1000 error b4 which says that i need to be root, but not this time
[12:03] <senator32> no biggy
[12:04] <KingArthur10> I've got the ipw2100
[12:05] <flipy> how can I make the windows partitions to show in Places (gnome)?
[12:05] <Cine> grrr... can't get .wmv files to play... which package do I need?
[12:05] <Xappe> flipy, mount them in /media and do a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[12:06] <flipy> ok i'll do it :D
[12:06] <Juhaz> w32codecs
[12:06] <Juhaz> wdecs
[12:06] <Juhaz> -wdecs
[12:06] <Thorrn4> topyli, thank you..that helped me out
[12:06] <Cine> I looked for the w32codecs but its not in the package list
[12:06] <topyli> BTW, in the RootSudo wiki page, an important detail is left out. every cracker knows your box has an account named "root"
[12:06] <Cine> I'll try wdecs
[12:06] <Xappe> oh, and you will need to do the dbus-1 restart after every reboot for them to show up correctly
[12:06] <topyli> but they don't know it has an account named "topyli"
[12:07] <Juhaz> Cine, heh, wdecs was a typo
[12:07] <Cine> oh
[12:07] <Cine> well then I won't find that one either... :)
[12:07] <hybrid> is azureus in universe
[12:07] <hypno> topyli: so fix it, it's a wiki :)
[12:07] <topyli> i think i will :)
[12:08] <Cine> the w32codecs came back as unavailable in apt get, and doesn't show up when I search for it in synaptic
[12:08] <topyli> if this makes sense
[12:08] <mburns> hypno: go look:)
[12:08] <hypno> heh
[12:08] <DarwinsBUlldog> toplyi, just like every goon knows windows has a user called administrator.
[12:08] <smouche> heh heh, topyli, I've seen people joining irc channels with nicks like "Root_" !
[12:08] <flipy> Xappe, it is mounted on /media and still the same
[12:08] <topyli> yes
[12:08] <Juhaz> Cine, looks like w32codecs is in marillat
[12:08] <mburns> Cine: go to www.ubuntuguide.org and read how to add new repositories to apt-get/synaptic
[12:08] <Juhaz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <Cine> I have universe and multiverse added
[12:08] <Xappe> flipy, add the "user" option to the fstab line
[12:08] <topyli> smouche: i've whois'd them and some of them _are_ root :(
[12:09] <DarwinsBUlldog> And any good windows admin gets rid of administator and logs in under another name to get admin rights
[12:09] <mburns> Cine: go to www.ubuntuguide.org and read how to add new repositories to apt-get/synaptic :)
[12:09] <flipy> Xappe, dev/hda5       /media/win_c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8        0       0
[12:09] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, what arch are you using ?
[12:09] <smouche> I know, it's people advertising, I just got a new linux install here, and it's so nice of 1) the distro to let me log in as root, and
[12:09] <smouche> 2) it's so nice of my irc client to advertise that fact for me by default
[12:10] <marzec> greetings
[12:10] <Cine> um... you mean Hoary?
[12:10] <Xappe> flipy, that should do it I think
[12:10] <senator32> holycow, i think i figured out my problem...not sure how to fix it though...i did this command "chmod +s `which smbmount` " this is wrong according to the google search i did. it needs to be "chmod +s `which smbmnt` " apparently it makes a big difference
[12:10] <flipy> Xappe, that's what i've had always, and still not showing
[12:10] <holycow> senator32, thats basically what the error said too .. i've simply never seen that before :/
[12:10] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, no, are you running the AMD64 version of ubuntu ?
[12:10] <mburns> Cine: AMD-64, i386 (amd/intel), PPC (mac)
[12:10] <MrMinit> Hi guys, some problems here. I think I managed to delete xorg.conf when I tried to install NVidia-drivers. Can't start X now, only got 'no screens found' (or something) error.. hints?
[12:11] <holycow> you haveto basically chmod the right files, which ones, beyond me
[12:11] <marzec> just a small question, has anyone here ever succeded in installing a netgear wg111 wlan usb stick on the latest ubuntu (doh what a sentence:) )
[12:11] <senator32> i may uninstall samba and reinstal it
[12:11] <hamtarorist> hi everyone
[12:11] <DarwinsBUlldog> cine, only if it is the AMD64 version I seem to recall that the windows codecs are not availible.
[12:11] <Arthur> YAY!  I got flash working with sounds!
[12:11] <DarwinsBUlldog> Unless you mess around with a 32bit chroot that is
[12:11] <Arthur> :-D
[12:11] <Arthur> thankee :-)
[12:11] <Xappe> flipy: well, my ext3 partitions show up just fine after I restart dbus
[12:11] <Cine> how do I go about checking that Dawrin?
[12:12] <holycow> Arthur, what was the fix again, you had to change a .mozilla setting right?
[12:12] <flipy> Xappe, gonna check
[12:12] <flipy> Xappe, anyway
[12:12] <hamtarorist> can anyone tell me what the kernel version and how to look it up is of  Ubuntu 5.04 (the latest one)?
[12:12] <Arthur> had to install flash-nonfree
[12:12] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, in a terminal window type in uname -a and post what it says
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> uname -r
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> i think
[12:12] <flipy> anybody knows why in a vfat partition are keeping permissions from windows xp?
[12:12] <Cine> Linux Lukie 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> hamtarorist: uname -r
[12:12] <hamtarorist> thanks thechitowncubs
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> np
[12:13] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, ok, you are using an i386 version, so you should be able to install the windows codecs.
[12:13] <flipy> Xappe, it worked... that means i'll have to restart dbus always?
[12:13] <topyli> smouche: yeah, come on and get root if you can, i have linux, i'm uncrackable! what bullshit
[12:13] <Xappe> flipy, yes
[12:13] <Xappe> flipy, i've not come up with any other solution
[12:13] <holycow> man i love linux
[12:13] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, I suspect you have not got  apt looking in the right place.
[12:13] <hybrid> anyone have azureus running with ppc
[12:13] <holycow> i have yet to download and install a single goddamned driver
[12:13] <flipy> Xappe, did u take a look at any conf file for dbus?
[12:13] <holycow> everything just works
[12:13] <Cine> I have universe and multiverse added... is there another?
[12:13] <holycow> hillarious
[12:13] <Xappe> flipy: hopefully they'll fix it with the next versions of dbus/HAL
[12:13] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, not sure.
[12:14] <cusco> Im having some troubles with my ipod...
[12:14] <cusco> suddenly it wont mount read-write anymore, only read-only. I had left the original HFS+ filesystem on it, and im learning that there is no fsck.hfsplus for Linux that would clear the INCONSISTENT-bit of my HFS+ filesystem.
[12:14] <flipy> Xappe, maybe it's already fixed, but still not in repository
[12:14] <topyli> holycow: just the normal state of affairs. you've been to hell, now you're in the normal state
[12:14] <smouche> Cine, yes -- those repos are for unsupported, but not (as far as I know) proprietary files
[12:14] <Xappe> flipy: no, i'm not that advanced, and I could not find anything useful on the forums :)
[12:14] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - im having problems with hotplug. once it gets to hotplug it just stops booting. im pretty sure it locks everything up (you cant press any keys and make them appear on the screen). any idea's anybody?
[12:14] <smouche> Cine, you need to check www.ubuntuguide for instructions; it's an excellent guide to this stuff
[12:15] <DarwinsBUlldog> Smouche, thank you. I was about to point him there but forgot the url!
[12:15] <topyli> i think it's down :(
[12:15] <flipy> if I mount a windows partition, it's keeping windows permissions, why this?
[12:15] <smouche> np, DarwinsBUlldog -- I think someone already die actually -- oops:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:16] <Xappe> flipy: how do you mean?
[12:16] <smouche> I keep sending people to ".com" by mistake
[12:16] <holycow> flipy, thats how networking works
[12:16] <topyli> it's up! :)
[12:16] <smouche> jesus, my typing! "already somebody die actually"  hah hah -- "did"
[12:16] <flipy> holycow, it's not networking
[12:16] <matt1987> what is x11
[12:17] <holycow> flipy, the 'server' on which the share resides decides what the permissions are
[12:17] <topyli> holycow: "partition"
[12:17] <holycow> 'its how networking works'
[12:17] <DarwinsBUlldog> Flipy, is this accessing a fat partition via samba or mounting it directly ?
[12:17] <smouche> flipy, wouldn't you be really pissed if it didn't keep those permissions??
[12:17] <smouche> that's what permissions are for...
[12:17] <matt1987> whats x11
[12:17] <topyli> heh
[12:17] <flipy> Xappe, well, I've did what you told me (I was able to access the partitions the ohter way), and if I browse thru it I can see that in some directories I can't write
[12:17] <topyli> moi matti. X!! is the windowing system you're probably looking at
[12:18] <flipy> i'm mounting it
[12:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> matt1987 - the X server (currently Xorg, used to be XFree86)
[12:18] <nickrud> matt1987, it's the software that drives your display. www.x.org for more info
[12:18] <flipy> and no, i don't want to keep permissions
[12:18] <matt1987> ok
[12:18] <flipy> why the heck do i need windows permissions under linux?
[12:18] <matt1987> well i install loads of programs fome the synaptic thingy and i can see them in my menu help
[12:18] <holycow> *sigh*
[12:18] <thr1ce> because you have windows partitions
[12:18] <Xappe> flipy: maybe you hould try umask=000 and chown the mountpoint to your user?
[12:18] <flipy> Xappe, i've did the chown
[12:18] <transgress> anyone know why my bootup would hang at COnfiguring network interfaces?  if i control-c it, everything works fine, but it's an annoyance to have to do that
[12:18] <flipy> (i'll check again)
[12:19] <holycow> flipy, your name is oddly appropriate in light of your questions
[12:19] <holycow> :)
[12:19] <flipy> and i put a umask=0 (not 000)
[12:19] <thr1ce> add umask=ooo to /etc/fstab
[12:19] <thr1ce> 000 *
[12:19] <flipy> holycow, why?
[12:19] <zero[] > can i get true transparancy in gnome 2.1?
[12:19] <matt1987> why wont none of the prgrams i have downloaded in synaptic pasckage thingy appear in my menu
[12:20] <topyli> matt1987: do you have a "debian" entry in the main menu?
[12:20] <matt1987> huh?
[12:20] <Cine> ah HA!  found it... :)
[12:20] <holycow> flipy, when you finally *get* why we are right you will look back and laaaaauuuugggghhh
[12:20] <holycow> :)
[12:20] <topyli> matt1987: in the "applications" menu. is there a "debian" submenu?
[12:20] <matt1987> no
[12:20] <matt1987> howto?
[12:20] <nickrud> matt, insttall menu  and menu-xdg, and there will be a new debian entry in your menus
[12:20] <transgress> hey does anyone have any suggestions about why my processor is clocking in at 797 mghz according to /proc/cpuinfo?  it's an amd64 3000+
[12:20] <DarwinsBUlldog> Transgress, is it looking for network resources that are not availible ?
[12:21] <holycow> as a side note, this is also humorous --> http://www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm
[12:21] <topyli> matt1987: install the "menu" package. then, open a terminal and do "sudo update-menus"
[12:21] <flipy> holycow, first, sorry for not being so smart, i'm not native english so weird gramatic errors/fun things are hard for me to catch
[12:21] <holycow> transgress, severe underclocking?
[12:21] <holycow> -_-
[12:21] <transgress> DarwinsBUlldog: iuno... the default is eth0 which is available... now it could be looking for wifi too i guess
[12:21] <flipy> holycow, and second, are you talking about flip thing?
[12:21] <holycow> flipy, please don't appologize, i'm just kidden
[12:21] <transgress> holycow: well it's a 1.8 ghz... i'm kind of just getting .8... so yeah sever underclocking
[12:21] <flipy> holycow, don't worry
[12:22] <holycow> :) k.
[12:22] <RainFX> transgress: It's probably the AMD cool'n'quiet thingy...
[12:22] <flipy> Xappe, btw, you were right, i didn't chown the directories
[12:22] <holycow> flipy, look, basically the server on which the file sits decides what permissions the files have right?
[12:22] <holycow> if your sitting at that machine and make all the files read only for everyone, than everyone will have read only right
[12:22] <transgress> RainFX: huh?
[12:23] <Xappe> tranquillizers, holycow, tranquillizers...
[12:23] <holycow> whether they are sitting on the network or at the machine
[12:23] <flipy> holycow, machine, it's my laptop
[12:23] <flipy> sharing windows and linux
[12:23] <flipy> to keep school things working
[12:23] <topyli> holycow: this is not networking dude
[12:23] <matt1987> it didnt work
[12:23] <matt1987> dont worrie just appeared
[12:23] <topyli> matt1987: open a terminal, and do "sudo update-menus"
[12:23] <Xappe> holycow: he's dualbooting ;)
[12:23] <holycow> flipy, sure, then on your windows machine you need to set the appropriate permissions for the directories you want to share
[12:24] <holycow> topyli, am i actually helping too much?
[12:24] <holycow> >_>
[12:24] <topyli> matt1987: congratulations, you have the messy debian menu there :)
[12:24] <flipy> holycow, let's get this straight, I'm mounting the partitons, so I don't understand why linux is taking a look at windows permissions
[12:24] <holycow> Xappe, hes using a network share to access the files on the same machine?
[12:24] <flipy> that sounds odd for me
[12:24] <holycow> you have got to be kidding me?
[12:24] <topyli> holycow: you're off topic there. he's not networking, he's mounting partitions :)
[12:25] <Cine> rats... wmv still won't play
[12:25] <holycow> flipy, rofl, never mind Xappe is right i need more meds
[12:25] <Xappe> holycow: no? he's mounting a fat32 partition
[12:25] <flipy> xDDDD
[12:25] <Ironfrost> cine - did you install win32 codecs and VLC?
[12:25] <transgress> is there a way to make my chip the right clock speed?
[12:25] <holycow> rofl topyli i though he was mounting network shares :)
[12:25] <holycow> haha sorry flipy !!!!!!
[12:25] <Ironfrost> also, is there DRM on the file?
[12:25] <topyli> heh
[12:25] <Cine> installed the codecs... not VLC
[12:25] <flipy> Xappe, the thing is that two users are sharing the comp, so if I chown just to my user, would the other user be able to browse rwx there?
[12:25] <topyli> holycow: you need a beer or something =)
[12:26] <holycow> topyli, totally :)
[12:26] <Cine> whats the name of the package?
[12:26] <flipy> holycow, bud?
[12:26] <Xappe> flipy: give permissions to both users
[12:26] <holycow> lol
[12:26] <flipy> Xappe, run twice chown?
[12:26] <holycow> flipy, so you cant seen certain windows directories after you mount your xp partition? odd
[12:26] <flipy> Xappe, or chown user1,user2:user1,user2?
[12:26] <holycow> do you any directories encrypted maybe?
[12:26] <flipy> holycow, i can see them, but i can't write to there
[12:26] <dave> Is there a way to browse for printers on the network to add a new network printer. I know I could when I was using Debian but Ubuntu seems just a little different
[12:26] <holycow> flipy, thats correct
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> Hey, hope you can help a Ubuntu newb. I'm trying to configure network support with my wireless card but am getting no DHCPOFFERs back.
[12:27] <holycow> linux doesn't have write support for ntfs
[12:27] <cikilin> holycow:i mount an ide and after restart i have to mount again
[12:27] <maddler> holycow... ?!
[12:27] <holycow> you can only read ntfs partition ... it is ntfs correct?
[12:27] <DarwinsBUlldog> Flipy, if it is an NTFS partition you won't be able to write to it.
[12:27] <senator32> how do you "Please remove the setuid root bit from smbmount tool."
[12:27] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog, FAT32
[12:27] <maddler> holycow... 2.6 has rw support for ntfs
[12:27] <maddler> afaik
[12:27] <holycow> flipy, weird :/
[12:27] <holycow> maddler, no it doesn't actually :/
[12:27] <Cine> crap... a lot of VLC packages... which one do I need?
[12:27] <DarwinsBUlldog> flipy, and you are sure you are mounting it read-write ?
[12:27] <maddler> mumble...
[12:27] <treke> maddler:  be careful, last I checked there we serious limitations to the rw support
[12:27] <flipy> ok
[12:28] <nakata> heh, 'need' + 'vlc' = false
[12:28] <flipy> here's my fstab line
[12:28] <DarwinsBUlldog> flipy, what does you fstab entry say ?
[12:28] <Cine> lol
[12:28] <senator32> how do you "remove the setuid root bit from smbmount tool."
[12:28] <holycow> oh right fstab, right set permission, go dudes :)
[12:28] <maddler> treke... never used it actually... but afaik rw support should be ok in latest kernel versions...
[12:28] <Xappe> now, this is entertainment ;)
[12:28] <dell500> what are backports repositories?
[12:28] <Cine> suggestions then nakata?  I'm trying to get WMV files to play
[12:29] <DarwinsBUlldog> maddler, as I understand it writing to an NTFS partition in Linux can seriously screw the partition.
[12:29] <senator32> any ideas...
[12:29] <Rubin> DarwinsBUlldog: iv gotten away with it
[12:29] <transgress> also, does anyone know why my icons would be sort of scrambled on my toolbars after a reboot?
[12:29] <transgress> they never did this when i had the toolbars stretched, but when i told them not to expand, rebooted, they were all fucked up
[12:30] <maddler> DarwinsBUlldog... as I said I've never tried it myself... (happily I don't use any microcrap product)... lemme check something
[12:30] <holycow> Xappe, if this is what you do for fun, you need help bro :)
[12:30] <DarwinsBUlldog> Rubin, I think it depends what you do. But when I was looking at doing it a few weeks ago I came across some horror stories.
[12:30] <Xappe> holycow: well, why are YOU sitting here?
[12:30] <topyli> dell500: there are not many for hoary anyway. it's partly more recent than sid
[12:30] <flipy> here's the fstab line
[12:30] <holycow> Xappe, i have a cat5 in my cell
[12:30] <flipy> /dev/hda5       /media/win_c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8        0       0
[12:30] <holycow> >_>
[12:30] <dell500> ok, but what are they :)
[12:31] <dell500> like the def behind it
[12:31] <topyli> dell500: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:31] <Xappe> holycow: ahah, that explains a lot
[12:31] <holycow> -_-
[12:31] <dell500> i'm gonna be making the jump from winblows to linux as we speak, i'm so excited, and esp with a new distro :)
[12:31] <topyli> dell500: i don't recommend them. they make upgrading more difficult
[12:32] <Cine> WMV files still aren't playing... installed w32codecs, but still no go... any other suggestions?
[12:32] <Rubin> dell500: souns like fun :)
[12:32] <nickrud> Cine, what player?
[12:32] <topyli> those were the days
[12:32] <Cine> totem seems to be the only one that doesn't just flat out crash
[12:32] <nickrud> Cine, and which totem, the gstreamer one or the xine one?
[12:33] <Xappe> Cine: apt-get install totem-xine, then unpack the essential codecs from the mplayer site into your /home/user/.gnome2/totem-addons
[12:33] <topyli> Cine: install totem-xine instead of totem
[12:33] <maddler> DarwinsBUlldog... I remember I had an article about ntfs... but can't find it... so... you could actually be right... :)
[12:33] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog,
[12:33] <Cine> topyli: gstreamer
[12:33] <DarwinsBUlldog> flipy, I can see nothing wrong with that fstab entry.
[12:33] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog, /dev/hda5       /media/win_c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8        0       0
[12:34] <topyli> Cine: gstreamer is cool, but totem-xine still works better in real life
[12:34] <thread> so my networking was fine earlier today... but all of a sudden, I can't get a dhcp ip from my wireless OR ethernet
[12:34] <Cine> ok, I'll give that a shot
[12:34] <thread> anybody have any suggestions for me?
[12:34] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog, Xappe : can i apply chown for two users?
[12:34] <dell500> just wondering, but is it possible for ubuntu to do 3daccel with ATI cards??
[12:34] <dell500> or is that still a long shot?
[12:34] <Rubin> thread: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0
[12:35] <holycow> dell500, yes
[12:35] <thr1ce> ati cards work fine
[12:35] <topyli> dell500: i have a radeon 9xxx on my work box, and it works
[12:35] <Cine> speaking of crashing... I Have an mPlayer instance that crashed... how do I make the window go away?
[12:35] <Xappe> flipy: maybe you could try a chgrp to a group that conatins both users?
[12:35] <flipy> Xappe, i'll see
[12:35] <nickrud> Cine, I use killall mplayer :)
[12:35] <topyli> works :)
[12:35] <thread> Rubin: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 .... ... a few times... then it tries a previously leased ip, pings gateway, fails. I'm totally stumped at this point.
[12:35] <Cine> okie
[12:35] <Zugot> topyli: which radeon 9xxx?   i sold my 9800xt cuz it just sucked too bad in linux
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: 9xxx covers about five (I think maybe more) ATI chipsets :)
[12:36] <Rubin> thread: is it plugged in? :)
[12:36] <Zugot> 9000, 9200, 9500, 9800
[12:36] <Zugot> oh and 9700
[12:36] <Cine> hmm... no processes killed
[12:36] <Cine> and still can't play the damn WMV file... sheesh
[12:36] <nickrud> Cine, then killall -9 mplayer
[12:36] <topyli> Zugot: i think its a 9200. like i said, it's the work box so i don't worry too much about the 3d performance
[12:36] <Zugot> cine killall -9 mplayer
[12:36] <thread> Rubin: Yes
[12:36] <Zugot> 9200... that should work
[12:36] <topyli> it works
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> effectively if you want to play games in linux, you need an nvidia card
[12:37] <thread> Rubin: it's definitely plugged in... I got the lights and everything
[12:37] <Cine> no proccesses killed...
[12:37] <Rubin> thread: your not using any kind of firewall are you? (playing with iptables or such?)
[12:37] <thread> Rubin: nope
[12:37] <Cine> oh, 9200?
[12:37] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: for about 6 years, i've been buying only matrox cards. the work box was given to me so...
[12:38] <Cine> hmm... still no workie
[12:38] <nickrud> Cine, last gasp for me is closing the terminal I called it from
[12:38] <Rubin> thread: is your network card driver a module? you could try rmmoding it and modprobing it (remove/add)
[12:38] <Cine> I did it thru the gui
[12:38] <Cine> guess I'll just have to restart
[12:38] <thread> Rubin: I've tried rebooting
[12:38] <thread> Rubin: I'm about to try a live cd
[12:38] <topyli> Cine: you'll have to reboot after installing the ati drivers
[12:38] <Rubin> thread: hmm. are you sure the dhcp server is working?
[12:38] <Cine> oh, ok
[12:38] <DarwinsBUlldog> thread, sure it is not a problem with the dhcp server ?
[12:38] <Cine> well away I go then
[12:39] <topyli> they do it the windows way :)
[12:39] <Rubin> thread: you might check the ethernet ports for bent pins
[12:39] <thread> yea, dhcp server definitely should be up & running... but that's why I'm going to try a boot cd
[12:39] <ThomasWinwood> thread's problem sounds remarkably like mine. eth0 seems to be okay but DHCP fails to work. I'm not sure what to check.
[12:39] <thread> ThomasWinwood: sucks, huh :/
[12:39] <ThomasWinwood> Yeah.
[12:40] <Rubin> sometimes you have to have an ISP assigned hostname for DHCP, or have the HWA registered with the server
[12:40] <Rubin> depends on your setup
[12:40] <ThomasWinwood> "No IPv6 routers present" crops up a lot.
[12:40] <topyli> thread: ThomasWinwood do "lspci" and see what it says about the card
[12:40] <Rubin> is the DHCP server a router? or your ISP?
[12:40] <ThomasWinwood> Router.
[12:40] <Rubin> ipv6?
[12:40] <thread> ipv4.. it's my dorm network
[12:41] <Rubin> thread: wonder if you were disabled or something
[12:41] <topyli> yeah, if the lines are open at all
[12:41] <thread> disabled?
[12:41] <thread> like admins disabled me?
[12:41] <topyli> if the socket is not connected
[12:41] <ThomasWinwood> topyli: Ethernet controller appears at 0000:00:0b.0 - Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[12:42] <thread> ... I would still get a dhcp ip, but would only be able to get to special MSU pages
[12:42] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: that's pretty standard
[12:42] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: in fact, i have the same card :)
[12:42] <ThomasWinwood> Yay. Any clues for configuring my system?
[12:43] <flipy> Xappe, DarwinsBUlldog: still having the same issue... i've tryed to change the group but when i romount it, gets the root:root permissions
[12:43] <ThomasWinwood> Windows basically did all this for me, so I'm slightly clueless.
[12:43] <Rubin> thread: hmm. you could run tcpdump in another window to see what your sending/recieving
[12:43] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say about eth0?
[12:44] <Janux> hi, where do you see how much memory your system has in Ubuntu?
[12:44] <ThomasWinwood> map eth0
[12:44] <ThomasWinwood> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:44] <topyli> that's all?
[12:44] <topyli> ah
[12:44] <ThomasWinwood> auto eth0
[12:44] <Cine> well this is a fun game... now they are supposedly encrypted and can't be opened... the WMV files that is
[12:44] <TetrisMaster> can anyone tell me how to add my second HDD to the GNOME desktop like in KDE
[12:44] <thread> Rubin: I tried ethereal earlier... saw a whole slew of arp queries and stuff that were coming from the network ... I know I'm connected
[12:44] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: i don't know what "map eth0" means. otherwise it seems ok
[12:45] <Rubin> thread: do you see any dhcp replies when you ifup eth0?
[12:45] <TetrisMaster> i added my second HDD to the fstab but i have to go routing threw /mnt/ to get my files from it
[12:45] <thread> Rubin: none. zero.
[12:45] <ThomasWinwood> I notice when I do dhclient it DHCPDISCOVERs to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[12:45] <TetrisMaster> i would like to be able to add the device as a file on the desktop
[12:46] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: that's bad
[12:46] <Rubin> thread: sure sounds like the dhcp server is not responding to you. maybe its out of leases
[12:46] <Janux> hi, anyone knows how to check how much physical memory you have in your system in Linux? like what command?
[12:46] <Rubin> Janux: free -m
[12:46] <thread> Rubin: dosen't make sense... if that was the case, it would only be temporary
[12:46] <thread> Rubin: this hasn't been working for a few hrs now...
[12:46] <nickrud> TetrisMaster, open /mnt with nautilus, and middle button drag the folder you want to the desktop, and choose link
[12:46] <Rubin> thread: other people are working?
[12:46] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: if you do "ifconfig", do you have an "inet address" for eth0 there?
[12:46] <Rubin> thread: run iptables -L
[12:46] <thread> Rubin: erm.. dont' know for sure
[12:46] <Rubin> make sure everything is 'allow'
[12:46] <mattgirv> Hey
[12:47] <ThomasWinwood> I have an inet6 address.
[12:47] <Janux> Rubin, thank you
[12:47] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: no plain inet?
[12:47] <ThomasWinwood> No.
[12:47] <topyli> that's bad as well
[12:47] <mattgirv> I have a Sony Clie (PalmOS Device) and I cannot, for the life of me, get gnome-pilot to see it at all.
[12:48] <Janux> Rubin, o...how do you know this? like did you search on Google? read books? or you go through your entire linux and try commands?
[12:48] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: dhcp is not working, but you know that already. i think the problem is not in your box
[12:48] <ThomasWinwood> topyli: If we go to PM you can help me more easily there.
[12:48] <sagara> hi all, in cshell how do i add a value to my $PATH enviromental variable?
[12:48] <Rubin> Janux: i prolly found it by someone talking about it on irc 6 years ago :)
[12:48] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: not really, i'm out of ideas
[12:48] <ThomasWinwood> Ah.
[12:48] <Rubin> Janux: but, ls /usr/bin and type "man xxx" on everything you see there
[12:48] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: all i could guess is your box is not the problem
[12:48] <thread> Rubin: I'm in knoppix... I do pump, and I get eth0: transmit timed out, resetting. Operation failed.
[12:48] <Rubin> Janux: and there are books
[12:49] <thread> Rubin: iptables -L, all 3 chains are policy ACCEPT
[12:49] <Rubin> thread: wonder if a transmit pair in your ethernet cord got damaged
[12:49] <Cine> stuff like this makes me miss windows just a bit... :(  any other suggestions on the WMV file front?
[12:49] <Janux> Rubin, ic...o..what's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin ?
[12:49] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: do you have any live CD linuxes like knoppix there?
[12:49] <ThomasWinwood> Not onhand.
[12:49] <topyli> would be a good test
[12:49] <Rubin> Janux: /bin is stuff the system needs to boot and mount drives.. /usr/bin is everything else
[12:49] <Benoni> The 5.04 release notes mention installing from USB devices.  However, all the installers I see are CD-sized ".iso" images.  What am I missing?
[12:50] <ThomasWinwood> I remember there was a hassle to get DHCP working on Knoppix.
[12:50] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, whats the issue again? your post is out of my buffer range
[12:50] <CarlK> Benoni - a CD sized thumb drive ;)
[12:50] <holycow> rofl, yet another scanner, plug it in and it works
[12:50] <holycow> killer
[12:50] <ThomasWinwood> holycow: No DHCP.
[12:50] <Rubin> Janux: some people put /usr/bin on another computer, or different hard drive, so they need 'the basics' to boot up and mount it
[12:50] <Benoni> CarlK: Ah.  Drat.
[12:50] <CarlK> Benoni - I don;t know really - don't mind me
[12:50] <Janux> Rubin, ic....sounds fun....
[12:50] <Benoni> CarlK: Oh, in that case ... thppt!  :-P
[12:51] <Xappe> Cine, did you try my method? worked for me...
[12:51] <CarlK> Benoni, yeah yeah... but I can tell you what worked for me..
[12:51] <Cine> what was that Xappe?
[12:51] <Rubin> Janux: also see 'man -k keyword' tho its not very good
[12:51] <Cine> I must have missed it
[12:51] <CarlK> Benoni - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[12:51] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, where do you recieve your dhcp offer from? router?
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> Yep.
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:52] <Janux> Rubin, okay....I am checking out the Ubuntu web site now for setting up my windows shared printer.
[12:52] <Xappe> Cine: totem-xine and the essential codecs from the mplayer site unpacked in /home/user/.gnome2/totem-addons
[12:52] <smouche> Rubin, could one also use a usb stick instead of GRUB, for multiboots?
[12:52] <Benoni> Thanks for the pointer, CarlK.  I hereby un-thppt you.  :-D
[12:52] <Rubin> Janux: good luck with that. printers are not easy in linux yet :(
[12:52] <holycow> can you manually set your ip to <IP_ADDRESS> and try pinging your router? or getting in to its web config?
[12:52] <CarlK> Benoni - na, i deserved it ;)
[12:52] <Cine> ok, I'll give that a shot
[12:52] <ThomasWinwood> I doubt it.
[12:52] <holycow> system > admin > networking
[12:52] <holycow> try it
[12:52] <abstractism> hey all
[12:52] <mattgirv> I have a Sony Clie (PalmOS Device) and I cannot, for the life of me, get gnome-pilot to see it at all.
[12:52] <ThomasWinwood> Already did. That dialog helps little.
[12:53] <thread> Rubin: I searched 'DHCP' in the tcpdump when I did a pump, and all I see is lines with 'request' ...
[12:53] <abstractism> I got some dirt on my problem
[12:53] <ThomasWinwood> It's all function and no help.
[12:53] <Janux> Rubin, ya...thanks though
[12:53] <holycow> actually it helps a lot, eh no, wrong
[12:53] <abstractism> with hardware accelerated graphics
[12:53] <dell500> just wondering, but is it possible for ubuntu to do 3daccel with ATI cards??
[12:53] <ThomasWinwood> What's a "location"?
[12:53] <topyli> Cine: you can apt-get the codecs in a nice package from the marillat repository
[12:53] <abstractism> (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information: (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 8.8.25 (II) fglrx(0):     Date: Jan 14 2005 (II) fglrx(0):     Desc: ATI FireGL DRM kernel module (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver. (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[12:53] <Rubin> thread: so either the DHCP server is seeing your discover queries, and ignoring you, or its not seeing them at all
[12:53] <holycow> the help is knowledge, one cannot proffer knowledge through popus and wizards despite ms's best efforts to the contrary :)
[12:53] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, what that means is your network card is hosed, get another one, or replace router
[12:54] <mvelasco2> where can I get free nxserver from?
[12:54] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, you wont  be able to tell otherwise which is bad, but one of them is
[12:54] <thread> Rubin: hmm... well I guess I'll just cry about it then :/
[12:54] <abstractism> how can I get the right version for my kernel?
[12:54] <Rubin> thread: give your knoppix a try, maybe call the net folks
[12:54] <holycow> abstractism, uname -a
[12:55] <thread> Rubin: that was knoppix I was just on
[12:55] <dell500> abstractism: what vid card??
[12:55] <Rubin> hrm
[12:55] <abstractism> 2.6.10-5-386
[12:55] <Rubin> try another cable?
[12:55] <Rubin> try another network jack
[12:55] <Rubin> etc
[12:55] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, for some reason... in the theme preferences, it doesn't show me a preview any more?
[12:55] <abstractism> and I have an ATI radeon 9800 Pro
[12:55] <holycow> actually that too, what rueben said
[12:55] <thread> Rubin: weird part is the same thing happens with the wireless where it used to get an ip.
[12:55] <dell500> sweeet
[12:55] <Cine> topyli, the w32codecs?  I did that already, no go...
[12:55] <thechitowncubs> Is there something that I need to rebuild, or something like that
[12:55] <dell500> you gettin close to figuring it out?? :)
[12:55] <mole_> quick question: how can I fix the bad signature problem with the update archives
[12:55] <thread> Rubin: honestly, though, the wireless has been flakey.. sometimes getting an ip and sometimes failing to dhcp one up...
[12:56] <mole_> Can't find an answer on the FA
[12:56] <Cine> This file is encrypted and cannot be played back.    damnit, thats annoying...
[12:56] <dell500> i tried for almost 3 weeks to get 3d accel to work with my 9600xt
[12:56] <Rubin> thread: i wouldnt be surprised if your uni's dhcp server is down or something
[12:56] <mole_> FA = FAQ
[12:56] <mole_> or wiki
[12:56] <Rubin> thread: i have a lot of trouble with wireless as well
[12:56] <thread> Rubin: any wireless tips? :)
[12:56] <oscarh> hi, anyone who can help me figure out what i have missed when adding my own keymap to x?
[12:56] <closure> abstractism, there's a bit of problems with the ATI cards
[12:56] <oscarh> xkb even
[12:56] <travisnux> Hi everyone
[12:56] <travisnux> I'm french
[12:56] <closure> my TV out doesn't work for crap
[12:56] <dell500> closure: like them sucking :)
[12:56] <travisnux> I've just install ubuntu
[12:56] <Rubin> thread: write a letter to the manuf demanding they open the specs so people can write proper drivers
[12:56] <travisnux> and i've a problem
[12:57] <travisnux> I don't know the root password
[12:57] <dell500> lol
[12:57] <dell500> that sucks travis
[12:57] <Rubin> transgress: sudo -s
[12:57] <oscarh> travisnux, there is none
[12:57] <Rubin> then type your USER password
[12:57] <topyli> Cine: rhm
[12:57] <oscarh> or, there is...
[12:57] <closure> dell500, you seem to be quite angry were you touched by an ati card as a young boy?
[12:57] <dell500> lol
[12:57] <oscarh> transgress, but you shouldn't use it
[12:57] <oscarh> sudo is the way
[12:57] <travisnux> in the installation he hasn't asked to define a password
[12:57] <Cine> rhm?
[12:57] <dell500> no, i just didn't like trying to get 3d accel to work, it was the bain of my existence when i was working on fedora
[12:57] <dell500> it sucked
[12:58] <Rubin> transgress: ubuntu doesnt use root that way.
[12:58] <topyli> it used to be a topic here: no ati vs nvidia flames here
[12:58] <thechitowncubs> Any ideas?
[12:58] <oscarh> travisnux, its some md5 hash now i believe
[12:58] <closure> dell500, i was abused by a CDR drive for years
[12:58] <cusco> how is it that I change the local char encoding please?
[12:58] <dell500> closure: oh, i hear ya, as was i.... as was i
[12:58] <holycow> closure, rofl
[12:58] <cusco> the default is utf-8 I would like to have iso8859-15
[12:58] <oscarh> travisnux, if you really want to become root for a while sudo -s
[12:59] <closure> dell500, not to mention 14.4k dial up i mean there is only so much a boy can go through before he just lashes out you know?
[12:59] <travisnux> he ask a password
[12:59] <dell500> nice chattin, i'll be up on ubuntu soon :)
[12:59] <closure> dell500, are you a developer for ubuntu? you mentioned working on fedora
[12:59] <dell500> closure, oh of course
[12:59] <oscarh> travisnux, type your user passwerd
[12:59] <Goonie> Flash stopped working when I upgraded to Hoary.. anyone had this problem?
[12:59] <dell500> nope, just meddled with fedora a bit (2 that is)
[12:59] <closure> dell500, ahh
[12:59] <holycow> Goonie, appearently installing the non free version worked for one person
[01:00] <dell500> didn't really like it, not much support and the forum/community was very lacking in helping newbs, ubuntu seems more newbie friendly than most
[01:00] <closure> dell500, perhaps you can answer my question wtf is the latest gaim not in the ubuntu repositories and there is no deb pkg for it
[01:00] <Goonie> holycow~ thx.. gonna give that a try
[01:00] <holycow> Goonie, alternatively google that on the ubuntu website, there is another fix wher eyou haveto change a variable in a text file
[01:00] <travisnux> yes it's good
[01:00] <dell500> closure: that sounds like a google query :)
[01:00] <travisnux> but why we cann't log in root ?
[01:00] <Rubin> travisnux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:00] <cusco> sudo su
[01:00] <oscarh> travisnux, why would you want to?
[01:00] <dell500> closure, i've yet to use ubuntu, i'm dling as we speak on my speedy cable line that i love oh so much :)
[01:01] <closure> dell500, that's what i'm liking about it this is my first desktop based linux box so i'm digging the support with ubuntu(though technically i run kubuntu)
[01:01] <eb0x> What can I use to play .RM files?
[01:01] <Cine> grrr.... where is the "make it work just like windows button cuz I'm too dumb to get all this stuff working on my own"?
[01:01] <eb0x> I tried installing RealPlayer 3 times, but it didn't work
[01:01] <dell500> what's kubuntu??
[01:01] <thechitowncubs> KDE ubuntu
[01:01] <mattgirv> I have a Sony Clie (PalmOS Device) and I cannot, for the life of me, get gnome-pilot to see it at all.
[01:01] <dell500> oooo
[01:01] <dell500> neato
[01:01] <oscarh> Rubin, how does you guys come up with those links that fast?
[01:01] <Goonie> holycow~ nope... that didn't work
[01:01] <closure> dell500, lucky you remember that cdr i mentioned? well the pos broke a while back and i had to wait about 2 months for the cds to get here
[01:01] <thechitowncubs> not the best of kde distros (YET)
[01:01] <travisnux> I want to know the root password
[01:01] <oscarh> Rubin, huge clippboard?
[01:01] <travisnux> lol
[01:01] <dell500> that sucks
[01:01] <Rubin> oscarh: i read it yesterday and remembered where it was
[01:02] <oscarh> travisnux, you have to set it if you really want to log in as root
[01:02] <DarwinsBUlldog> Ubuntu is the first gnome distro that I have liked. I tried FC3 and hated gnome on that.
[01:02] <dell500> what comes with ubuntu?? like does it run gnome or can you switch to kde, or is that an addon ??
[01:02] <abbot45> Are they having issues with Icon Sets in Hoary?  None of them work.
[01:02] <oscarh> travisnux, but you are supposed to use sudo
[01:02] <abstractism> ok, trying something new
[01:02] <abstractism> bbiab
[01:02] <thechitowncubs> dell: you can easily switch by installing kubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <oscarh> travisnux, read the articla Rubin posted a link to
[01:02] <dell500> neato!
[01:02] <closure> dell500, ubuntu comes with gnome. you can switch to kde if you like though
[01:02] <thechitowncubs> that will install KDE (kubuntu) and gnome (ubuntu)
[01:02] <DarwinsBUlldog> dell, it intalls gnome but you can install kde afterwards
[01:02] <dell500> i can't wait to get my hands on this, i'm so excited
[01:03] <thechitowncubs> but if you want to install seperate kde packages, you can do that also
[01:03] <dell500> sweet ass :)
[01:03] <Rubin> they did a lot of work making gnome seamless and integrated
[01:03] <eb0x> What can I use to play .RM files?
[01:03] <dell500> k, well i got another 25 minutes left on the live cd
[01:03] <Rubin> im not sure the kde stuff is as finished yet
[01:03] <dell500> so i'll bbl
[01:03] <thechitowncubs> eb0x: realplayer
[01:03] <thechitowncubs> www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:03] <eb0x> RealPlayer won't install
[01:03] <topyli> eb0x: you can install realpleyre
[01:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> eb0x - mplayer
[01:03] <Cine> hmm... now I'm thinkin' these files are just corrupt...
[01:03] <topyli> eb0x: how are you trying?
[01:03] <eb0x> using the bin file
[01:03] <closure> dell500, if you don't wish to have gnome anymore you can delete it by removing gnomelibs2.0 and it will destroy pretty much everything that is gnome oriented.
[01:03] <eb0x> And it seems to install fine
[01:03] <abbot45> eb0x: it should work.  real offers a linux version.
[01:04] <eb0x> But it doesnt open
[01:04] <Xappe> no, goddamn, i'm tired. goodnight
[01:04] <topyli> eb0x: where did you install it? it asks you
[01:04] <closure> dell500, though if you will more than likely reinstall that individual package as it's required for many apps
[01:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> eb0x - add universe to the repo's and apt-get install w32codecs
[01:04] <eb0x> topyli: /home/eb0x
[01:04] <eb0x> And i went in there
[01:04] <abbot45> Are they having issues with Icon Sets in Hoary?
[01:04] <eb0x> and typed ./realplay
[01:04] <eb0x> And it doesnt do anything
[01:04] <eb0x> Super_Cat_Frog: Ok
[01:05] <dell500> i like gnome, i just wanna see what KDE's new stuff is like :)
[01:05] <closure> dell500, also if you know you want KDE you can just get kubuntu from www.kubuntu.org
[01:05] <topyli> eb0x: in that directory, is there in fact a file named realplay?
[01:05] <topyli> if you do ls
[01:05] <eb0x> topyli: Yes
[01:06] <closure> dell500, to each their own gnome ran sluggish as balls to me and i find kde more customizeable(is that a word?)
[01:06] <dell500> is it easy to install KDE??
[01:06] <dell500> closure, ya, that's what i want :)
[01:06] <eb0x> Super_Cat_Frog: How do I add universe?
[01:06] <eb0x> Besides through Synaptic
[01:06] <topyli> do ls -l realplay
[01:06] <closure> dell500, yeah it's real easy to install
[01:06] <topyli> eb0x: is it executable?
[01:06] <dell500> closure: kool, you gonna be around in a bit??
[01:06] <eb0x> -rwxr-xr-x  1<PHONE_NUMBER> 2005-04-26 15:57 realplay
[01:06] <closure> yeah sure
[01:07] <dell500> closure: i'll bbl, gonna do some chemistry, then come up in a bit and burn the cds and install, hopefully all will go well
[01:07] <closure> dell500, shoot me a line when you get ubuntu up and i'll give you a hand getting KDE
[01:07] <Cine> ok, what about an application for fixing corrupt video files?
[01:07] <dell500> sweet, thanks
[01:07] <dell500> i'll bbl
[01:07] <closure> dell500, cool ttyl
[01:08] <thread> Rubin: should I be using whereami? waproamd? what's the best way to handle my networking in ubuntu? I got netapplet. that sort of works.
[01:08] <topyli> eb0x: now i know. it's esd. do "killall esd" and run it again
[01:11] <NTolerance> has anyone here tried to run the Sega Genesis emulator Gens in Ubunut?
[01:11] <NTolerance> Ubuntu rather
[01:13] <dazzed_>  /msg nickserv dazzed dbacks
[01:13] <ThomasWinwood> Gens worked under WINE when I tried it (when I had Linux working).
[01:13] <Rubin> uh-oh
[01:14] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, for some reason... in the theme preferences, it doesn't show me a preview any more?
[01:14] <thechitowncubs> Is there something that I need to rebuild, or something like that
[01:14] <samuel> sup all
[01:14] <darkaudit> what do I need to open .ace archives?
[01:15] <thread> Rubin: dhcp decided it wanted to work just then
[01:15] <ThomasWinwood> WinACE.
[01:15] <samuel> anyone here had some luck getting powernowd to work with intel?
[01:15] <CarlK> samuel - I hear it works as is, but many people don't understand what it should be doing
[01:16] <CarlK> er, maybe not should, but why it does what it does
[01:17] <PSUstoekl> hey guys, I'm new to ubuntu or whatever...need to know what you think...
[01:17] <PSUstoekl> (how big is it, what can I use it for, etc.)
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> PSU: you can do everything you can in windows
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> its all free'
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> its all good
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> try it!
[01:17] <CarlK> it doesn't piss me off like windows does....
[01:17] <PSUstoekl> can it run an irc client of some kind?
[01:17] <spawn> lol
[01:18] <NTolerance> I'm only getting about 27fps in Gens
[01:18] <yfir> PSUstoekl: it's like buying a car and finding out that the hood hasn't been welded shut
[01:18] <samuel> CarlK, well, it does work "as is" but it doesnt really throttle down anything much - it does every now and again, but ive tried changing the options but with no luck to reduce power usage
[01:18] <NTolerance> I get a full 60+ in ZSNES w/ hq4x enabled
[01:18] <NTolerance> so i dunno what the problem is
[01:18] <Rubin> thread: it heard us plotting
[01:19] <CarlK> samuel - i think it only kicks in when you are on battery, and then when CPU is below the threshold
[01:19] <NTolerance> my powernowd works out of the box
[01:19] <NTolerance> throttles realtime
[01:19] <NTolerance> mine works on AC power
[01:19] <Levander> Anybody converted dovecot and postfix IMAP to use maildir instead of mbox?
[01:19] <CarlK> samuel - but I didn't care much so I didn't get into it too much.  Other than the basic gripe was "I don't like what it does on my P4"
[01:19] <samuel> CarlK, what NTolerance said as far as i can tell
[01:20] <Levander> just wondering if I need to figure out how to configure only dovecot, or dovecot and postfix
[01:20] <samuel> but it throttles down to 50% for like 1% of the time, the rest its at 100% cpu freq
[01:20] <Rubin> i have a dell insperon8200 and the gnome power mon thing says 75% always. i havnt had the time te figure out if its really at 75% or if powernowd is working etc
[01:20] <treke> Levander: pretty simple do do, you need to set the delivery location for postfix
[01:20] <treke> Levander: otherwise it should just work
[01:20] <Levander> treke: and do nothing with postfix?
[01:21] <treke> postfix is what does the deliver
[01:21] <treke> delivery
[01:21] <Seq> were there any differences between the hoary rc installation cd and the release isntallation cd (other than maybe a few packages i can just upgrade with apt)?
[01:21] <treke> so you have to tell it where to put things
[01:21] <Seq> or is it worth it to download the hoary cd for a fresh install
[01:21] <Levander> treke: so postfix just delivers to dovecot?  postfix doesn't have to know anything about mbox or maildir?
[01:21] <treke> postfix doesnt deliver to dovecot
[01:21] <treke> all dovecot does is hands out access to a maildir
[01:22] <treke> postfix can either deliver to an mbox or maildir or hand off to something like procmail
[01:22] <Levander> treke: so you do have to configure postfix to use maildir also?
[01:22] <treke> I personally hand the mail off to procmail and tell it to put things in my maildir
[01:22] <samuel> how about laptop-net vs laptop-netconf... they do the same thing afaik?
[01:22] <Levander> treke: why would you use postfix at all? why not just have postfix do it?
[01:23] <treke> Levander: you can check the postfix faq for the syntax
[01:23] <treke> Levander: because all postfix knows how to do is put a message in a maildir, I want more intelligent filtering
[01:23] <Levander> treke: just pulled up the postfix faq, thanks
[01:23] <treke> search for maildir
[01:23] <Levander> treke: like what kind of filtering? briefly, basically
[01:24] <treke> I filter mailing list messages into their own mailboxes. passing mail through a spam filter
[01:24] <treke> that sort of thing
[01:24] <yfir> procmail is pretty much a must-have
[01:24] <Levander> treke: that does sound like a good idea, i have to put my filters on every mail client I use
[01:24] <Levander> kind of sucks
[01:24] <treke> yeah, I agree
[01:25] <XandriX> mako, u there ???
[01:25] <Levander> procmail isn't configured by default in hoary is it? or do I have to configure procmail also?
[01:25] <Levander> just to get procmail used, not necessarily to do the filtering would I expect it to possibly be configured by default in hoary
[01:26] <XandriX> mako, are u there ???????
[01:26] <phasegen> I'm about to dump ubuntu.  They have to get some clear-defined easy support for us noobs.  If I don't have a place to start, how can I ever get good?  You can't hand me two rocks and a stick, and say build a skyscraper...
[01:26] <treke> honestly I couldnt say. my postfic config is fairly customized
[01:27] <Levander> well, it's already installed on my system.
[01:27] <Levander> think I'm going to convert to maildir first
[01:27] <treke> check /etc/postfix.conf
[01:27] <Levander> then maybe procmail after
[01:27] <SeamusLP> phasegen:  The wiki is infinitely useful.
[01:27] <DarwinsBUlldog> phasegen, I doubt you will find any other distro any easier to use.
[01:27] <treke> look for the mailbox_command line
[01:27] <SeamusLP> phasegen:  By your analogy I'd say they're practically giving you the skyscraper.
[01:28] <DarwinsBUlldog> All Linux distro's require you to RTFM. At least you get a M to RTF. Windows does not bother these days with stuff like documentation
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: what do you want to do?
[01:28] <phasegen> SeamusLP:  The wiki has nothing for why I can't access the net or configure a connection without enabling root, then it only works in root
[01:29] <Levander> treke: yeah, i looked, it's not set to anything, don't think I'm currenty running procmail
[01:29] <SeamusLP> phasegen:  Sudo :)
[01:29] <treke> uncomment the line and mail would go to postfix
[01:29] <phasegen> It's humiliating to have to go to my windows machine for help
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: can you clarify that exactly
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: that's not typical behaviour, btw
[01:30] <phasegen> sudo won't work, for some reason it won't access my pcmcia card modem
[01:30] <ThomasWinwood> I think phasegen is suffering from the OS equivalent of culture shock.
[01:30] <fightingfortofu> any one up for walking me through installing ati drivers and getting tv out to work or possibly point me to a guide with newbies in mind?
[01:30] <Levander> hey, how did this file /etc/readahead show up on my system in the last day or so?
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: sudo is not hardware dependant
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> eg: try and run sudo ls
[01:30] <ThomasWinwood> And remember why it's a wiki - YOU TOO can add to it!
[01:31] <Epix> hi. my ubuntu froze! it wont ssh or respond to ping!
[01:31] <Epix> rebot?
[01:31] <DarwinsBUlldog> I cannot see why something would work with root enabled but not when you sudo
[01:31] <Delph> Epix: unless you can get control of it somehow, then it's probably not worth prodding.
[01:31] <gijosh> Hey.  For the past day or so, Ubuntu has been freezing up on me quite a bit.  The file manager won't start, firefox freeks out when I try to dl something, the image viewing programs won't start, etc.
[01:32] <Epix> Delph: its the second time its happened in 48 hrs
[01:32] <g14> gijosh: You use the nvidia video card?
[01:32] <ThomasWinwood> P.S. Can anyone help with iwconfig returning "operation not supported" when I input the WEP key?
[01:32] <gijosh> g14: yup.
[01:32] <Delph> Epix: time to start digging in the logs and find out what's going on, then.
[01:32] <phasegen> All I know is it won't recognize the card modem without enabling the root account and logging in to it.  Sudo won't  work.  And you're not supposed to access the net as root, right?
[01:32] <Epix> Delph: ok, can youwalk me through this? reboot first?
[01:32] <g14> gijosh: Thats a known issue. If you want to be crazy and update to breezy, I think it will fix some things
[01:32] <gijosh> breezy?
[01:32] <Delph> Epix: nope. Not cos i'm being evil, just because I'm going now.
[01:32] <fightingfortofu> :(
[01:33] <gijosh> g14:  And realy hasn't been buggy for the past couple days.  And I've been using Ubuntu for about a month in a half now
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> fightingfortofu: BinaryDriverHowTo on the wiki
[01:33] <Epix> Delph: wait one sec
[01:33] <Delph> Epix: reboot, then have a look at the contents of your log files... see if there's anything there which is sounding like a complaint.
[01:33] <SeamusLP> gijosh:  Bad ram could be an explanation.
[01:33] <Epix> Delph: whats the log name?
[01:33] <Delph> Epix: there's lots of them: have a look at anything in /var/log/
[01:33] <gijosh> seamusLP:  Hrm, I hope not.  My computers getting old, that could be it.
[01:33] <Epix> Delph: bye, tnks
[01:33] <gijosh> SeamusLP:  Any good programs to test it?
[01:33] <fightingfortofu> hrdrbob, thanks!
[01:34] <g14> gijosh: Alot of people with nvidia cards noticed stability problems with ubuntu. I read somewhere about this being fixed in breezy
[01:34] <gobeavs> any cluster users here? Is openmosix good, or I have heard about OSCAR....?
[01:34] <SeamusLP> gijosh:  Search for memtest86.  You'll have to put it on a floppy or burn it to a CD, then boot into it.
[01:35] <gijosh> SeamusLP:  Thanks, man.
[01:35] <Rubin> i have nvidia, it crashed in x after 30 seconds with the 2.6.11 kern. .10 works ok but there are some video artifacts
[01:35] <treke> or if you're running ubuntu, it should already be in your grub config :p
[01:35] <PHPWannabe> SeamusLP: memtest86 is a boot option by default for Hoary
[01:35] <dazzed> gijosh: theres a memtest86 in ur grub u dont need to download it
[01:36] <SeamusLP> PHPWannabe:  forgot about that.
[01:36] <gijosh> dazzed:  COolness.  I'l reboot into it
[01:36] <fightingfortofu> hrdrbob, what is the binarydriverhowto under on the wiki page?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> fightingfortofu: hangon
[01:37] <ThomasWinwood> P.S. Can anyone help with iwconfig returning "operation not supported" when I input the WEP key?
[01:38] <ThomasWinwood> The same occurs for the ESSID.
[01:38] <g14> ThomasWinwood: are you using sudo iwconfig?
[01:38] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas why my sound might not work now, even though it used to?
[01:39] <kakalto> the only thing I remember changing, was installing america's army
[01:39] <kakalto> but sound worked for that
[01:39] <kakalto> not any more
[01:39] <Epix> Delph: you still around?
[01:39] <darko__> i just did chown kris <--which is me * -R from / because i haven't used my user account since i started with linux 2 months ago, do you think it will go alright?
[01:40] <Epix> ok, i think my computer locks up on cron.daily
[01:40] <Epix> after that it says local exit on status 15
[01:41] <g14> darko: You did chown kris * -R / ?
[01:41] <g14> darko: Thats going to mess up ALOT of things
[01:41] <treke> hehe that's not a good thing :p
[01:41] <dell500> what's the version of ubuntu out??
[01:41] <dell500> 5.4....
[01:41] <bet0x> hi all
[01:41] <bet0x> how i see where is my cdrom
[01:41] <bet0x> i lost my cdrom
[01:41] <bet0x> :s
[01:41] <lsnet> any hints on getting evolution to work on hoary amd64? mine says starting but then disappears
[01:42] <DarwinsBUlldog> 5.04, not 5.4
[01:42] <Epix> anyone???
[01:43] <Epix> someone please help me :(?
[01:44] <darko__> g14: well can't i just undo it with chown root * -R?
[01:44] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help with iwconfig returning "operation not supported" when I input the WEP key?
[01:44] <darko__> or someway else..
[01:45] <spawn> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120520,00.asp
[01:45] <g14> darko: No that will mess up alot of things that should never be owned by root
[01:45] <Janux> hi, I have a shared windows printer, I made it to work but then when I print something from OOo, the margins are very weird, I have changed paper to US Letter but that doesn't help, any clue?
[01:45] <g14> rpm has an option to restore permissions. Does anyone know if dpkg has a similar option?
[01:46] <^thehatsrule^> remove
[01:46] <nickrud> apt-get install --reinstall
[01:46] <nickrud> g14 ^^
[01:47] <g14> nickrud: You mean that deb doesn't store file permissions so he has to reinstall everything?
[01:47] <nickrud> g14, there may be a way with dpkg, but this works for me :)
[01:47] <g14> nickrud: It's pretty easy to fix that with an rpm based distro
[01:47] <g14> nickrud: That is way overkill
[01:47] <transgress> anyone have problems getting the following to emerge:
[01:47] <treke> the other problem with chown root -R / is that chown drops the suid flags on things that need to be suid
[01:48] <transgress> [ebuild     U ]  dev-libs/cdk-<IP_ADDRESS>31210-r1 [<IP_ADDRESS>20809]
[01:48] <transgress> [ebuild     U ]  media-libs/libsdl-1.2.8-r1 [1.2.7-r3]
[01:48] <transgress> [ebuild     U ]  sys-apps/kbd-1.12-r4 [1.12-r3]
[01:48] <nickrud> g14, it retains my config files, so I'm happy
[01:48] <mikeco> um
[01:48] <g14> transgress: Maybe you should try #gentoo ?
[01:48] <Ironfrost> I downloaded a package that's a source tar.gz
[01:48] <mikeco> haha
[01:48] <Ironfrost> what do I do with it?
[01:48] <nullaresnata> lol
[01:48] <mikeco> with a tar.gz or gentoo?
[01:49] <closure> i have a question if i were to get apps from the breezy repos but not upgrade my base would there be a conflict?
[01:49] <Ironfrost> with a tar.gz
[01:49] <g14> Ironfrost: tar -zxvf whateverfilename.tar.gz
[01:49] <Ironfrost> I'm supposed to compile the thing, but no idea how
[01:49] <darko__> Ironfrost: you compile the contents
[01:49] <g14> Ironfrost: Then you cd to the directory it makes
[01:49] <darko__> read the README and INSTALL
[01:49] <fightingfortofu> hrdwrbob, ?
[01:49] <g14> Ironfrost: then do ./configure && make && make install
[01:49] <darko__> but it's probably just ./cnofigure
[01:49] <darko__> ./configure
[01:49] <darko__> make
[01:49] <darko__> make install
[01:50] <raydogg> I have this new motherboard, with the onboard nic enabled, ubuntu doesn't boot up, so i disable it, but how do i get it to work if i can't enable it ???
[01:50] <spawn> why are the Ubuntu CDs free?
[01:50] <Zindar> spawn: why not? are you complaining?
[01:50] <raydogg> spawn, donations?
[01:50] <spawn> is it because of the gazillionair Mark Shuttleworth?
[01:50] <g14> darko: placing && after the commands like I did will do one after the other only if the previous command completed sucessfully
[01:50] <spawn> no, lol
[01:50] <spawn> just wondering
[01:50] <Zindar> spawm: most likely has something to do with it :)
[01:50] <darko__> haha
[01:50] <spawn> lol, thought so
[01:50] <darko__> not
[01:51] <raydogg> he might be collecting names and and addresses, and then selling them :-)
[01:51] <raydogg> j/k
[01:51] <spawn> lol
[01:51] <Zindar> I doubt that.. meet him yesterday.. seams like a nice guy :)
[01:51] <raydogg> in person ?  Ubuntu down under
[01:51] <raydogg> in au?
[01:51] <spawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[01:51] <Zindar> yes
[01:51] <Ironfrost> OK, I need OpenGL - does Ubuntu come with that?
[01:51] <raydogg> Just a little out of my way :-)
[01:52] <Ironfrost> I can't find it on Synaptic
[01:52] <Janux> Ironfrost, get Mesa3D
[01:53] <fightingfortofu> whats the command again to get the kernal version
[01:53] <raydogg> i've got the driver for this network card, do I need to patch the ubuntu kernel ?
[01:53] <CarlK> uname -a
[01:54] <fightingfortofu> carlk, thanks!
[01:54] <CarlK> no prob
[01:54] <ThomasWinwood> How do I set a WEP key? iwconfig says "invalid argument".
[01:55] <g14> ThomasWinwood: Well what are you typing?
[01:55] <ThomasWinwood> iwconfig eth0 key <key>
[01:55] <ThomasWinwood> With sudo.
[01:56] <fightingfortofu> is anyone aware of a better method of getting ati drivers working other than http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496&page=2&pp=10
[01:56] <E4Josh> hey I have a few questions about ubuntu. Like does it support dvds natively or will i have to search for libdvdcss and does it support printer memory card ports cause I have an HP photosmart 7660
[01:56] <raydogg> Why would the kernel panic if i have the onboard nic enabled ?
[01:56] <raydogg> Do i have to patch it?
[01:57] <ThomasWinwood> E4Josh: Certainly it mounts DVDs natively. Playing them is another matter.
[01:57] <E4Josh> sorry i mean playing them
[01:57] <ThomasWinwood> ...mounting a DVD sounds vaguely kinky.
[01:57] <E4Josh> lol
[01:57] <transgress> ThomasWinwood: don't... it hurts
[01:58] <g14> ThomasWinwood: the key should be 10 digits all numbers
[01:58] <g14> The reason I NEVER use WEP: http://whoppix.h07.org/Whoppix-wireless.html
[01:58] <ThomasWinwood> Thanks for the warning. And gl4 - most of it is nonprinting and is 26 bytes long.
[01:58] <holycow> can anyone explain to me how to get the encrypted /home dir like in osx on linux? what applications are involved in setting that up?  is it at the filesystem level?
[01:59] <g14> ThomasWinwood: Watch the video in that link I gave you.
[01:59] <] BreliC[> has anyone ever gotten this message: "Registry is not present or it is corrupted. Please update it by running gst-register" ?  I get this when running the CD Player, plus my volume no longer exists (can't set it)?
[01:59] <ThomasWinwood> I barely have enough memory in this dinosaur to run IE let alone a movie.
[02:00] <g14> ThomasWinwood: It is flash
[02:00] <] BreliC[> thing is, there is no gst-register, nor is it in the repositores
[02:00] <ThomasWinwood> Exactly.
[02:00] <g14> ThomasWinwood: You really should watch it
[02:00] <] BreliC[> uh, repositories even
[02:00] <Epix> ahh!
[02:00] <Epix> my computer keeps freezing!
[02:00] <Epix> fuck
[02:00] <Epix> its on downloads
[02:00] <Epix> it just stops
[02:00] <Epix> no SSH, no ping, NOTHING
[02:00] <holycow> E4Josh, ubuntu like debian do not ship proprietary codecs or illegal software, so yes you will haveto find the right repo and download libdvdcss and other things as needed, like win32codecs for sound
[02:00] <Epix> damn!
[02:00] <Epix> help!
[02:00] <g14> ] BreliC[: Try gst-register-0.8
[02:01] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas why my sound might not work now, even though it used to?
[02:01] <kakalto> the only thing I remember changing, was installing america's army
[02:01] <kakalto> but sound worked for that
[02:01] <kakalto> not any more
[02:01] <davix> how do i share a directory on my ubuntu to linux?
[02:01] <davix> to windows, sorry
[02:01] <] BreliC[> g14, in the repositories?
[02:01] <Epix> ????????
[02:01] <stevenj> I want to install bluefish-Hoary shows blushfish 1.0+CVS...........  what does the CVS mean?
[02:01] <g14> ] BreliC[ type which  gst-register-0.8
[02:01] <transgress> okay just watched that video... i wanna know why they used eth0 for the name of their wireless card
[02:01] <nickrud> ] BreliC[, it's in libgstreamer0.8-0
[02:01] <kakalto> davix, have you been to www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:02] <jfarrell> hey all I just finished installing Ubuntu, looks really nice.  Downloaded some source code for an application that i want to compile.  Did my 'su' as I normally do typed in my password and .... was denied
[02:02] <davix> yeah, havent look for the answer there tough, tnx.
[02:02] <g14> stevenj: cvs is the most bleeding edge from the cvs repository
[02:02] <jfarrell> tried ita gain, and was denied
[02:02] <] BreliC[> ahh, thanks g14 , nickrud .  i'll try it now
[02:02] <kakalto> could anyone help?
[02:02] <stevenj> g14, thanks
[02:02] <jfarrell> then it dawned on me, I was never asked for a root password during the install
[02:02] <E4Josh> ok thanks i know i casn find those. however has anyone known if memory card slots on printers work or not in linux?
[02:02] <transgress> also, does anyone know what the music playing was in that
[02:02] <dell500> now it is time for the switch-a-roo!!!!
[02:02] <dell500> w00t
[02:02] <dell500> bbl
[02:02] <g14> jfarrel: the root accound in ubuntu is disabled for security reasons
[02:02] <jzaval> use the command sudo
[02:02] <jfarrell> g14, any way to enable it
[02:02] <jzaval> and enter your user password
[02:03] <g14> jfarrel: You can use sudo to do anything if you are the admin user
[02:03] <jfarrell> jzaval, for what I have to do, that is not practical
[02:03] <g14> jfarrell: sudo passwd
[02:03] <jzaval> what are you doing?
[02:03] <g14> jfarrell: set a root password and then login as root like normal
[02:03] <g14> jfarrell: but using sudo is better, you should try it
[02:03] <jfarrell> g14, good idea
[02:03] <holycow> E4Josh, you mean like on those retardo hp photocrap printers?
[02:03] <Epix> ahh, nobody can help!
[02:03] <XandriX> damnit
[02:04] <E4Josh> unfortuantly yes i mean those
[02:04] <E4Josh> lol
[02:04] <travisnux> How to put what is to the right ?? http://hungsquirrel.org/images/ubuntu.png
[02:04] <holycow> E4Josh, probably not, no manufacturer goes out of their way to write software for linux beyond say providing barely specs for their hardware
[02:04] <holycow> i've never heard of one of those working ever
[02:04] <jfarrell> i use sudo on occassion for quick things, but I am not sure how i feel about using it for all of my admin tasks
[02:05] <g14> travisnux: That is gdesklets on the right side. Try googling for gdesklets
[02:05] <jfarrell> or when I feel like being on a power trip :-D
[02:05] <knucks> irc://irc.orbitalgrooves.com
[02:05] <g14> jfarrell: You can do like I do with sudo...
[02:05] <dazzed> im bored
[02:05] <stevenj> travisnux, what theme is that
[02:05] <nickrud> jfarrell, sudo -i|-s gets you a shell if you really want one
[02:05] <] BreliC[> g14, well, it worked in restoring the audio capabilities, but now i can no longer add the volume icon to the taskbar..
[02:05] <jfarrell> i got root access its fine
[02:05] <g14> jfarrell: ok cool
[02:06] <Levander> treke: I've got some problems converting my existing mail to dovecot.  Does your ~/Maildir have to have special permissions so that the dovecot daemon can access them?
[02:06] <Levander> Anybody?
[02:06] <Levander> I've converted my inbox, but no other folders successfully
[02:06] <travisnux> stevenj I don't know ! I find it's fun
[02:06] <travisnux> but i'm noob
[02:07] <stevenj> speaking of volume control (Panel) I noticed in the preferences I have OSS and Sound Blaster Audigy...both controled the sound..but which is right one to use?
[02:07] <ThomasWinwood> Okay.
[02:07] <ThomasWinwood> Now.
[02:08] <kakalto> could anyone help, please?
[02:08] <davix> kakalto, it shows how to share, but not how to remotely access the share.
[02:08] <nickrud> Levander, my Maildir is read only by me, have you subscribed to the other folders?
[02:08] <occy> heh
[02:08] <ThomasWinwood> I have a WEP key which is 96 bytes in length and is in hex. How do I feed this to iwconfig so it will eat it?
[02:08] <ThomasWinwood> bits*
[02:09] <ThomasWinwood> 13 bytes.
[02:09] <g14> ThomasWinwood: convert it to decimal
[02:09] <stevenj> has anyone of you ever had a crazy ex GF that called 100x with 10 differnent calling card numbers?
[02:09] <Ironfrost> stevenj: I've got to say, no
[02:09] <g14> stevenj: like... your mom?
[02:09] <Ironfrost> for which I am eternally greatful
[02:09] <SeamusLP> stevenj:  She's psycho, change your number.
[02:09] <E4Josh> a note i seemed to have found something that my help some memory card slots on some printers work. though im not sure it will work on my printer :/
[02:09] <E4Josh> http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/
[02:10] <Yono> hey, someone please help me
[02:10] <Yono> I just installed ubuntu
[02:10] <stevenj> yeah its getting crazy...don't understand it....
[02:10] <Yono> and it didn't create my user
[02:10] <nickrud> E4Josh, that's been replaced by hplip, I think it's in universe
[02:10] <Yono> how do I add one with no user to log on as?
[02:10] <] BreliC[> anyone?  know how to restore volume control from the panel on gnome?  I ran gst-register to repair the corrupted audio apparently, and now i can no longer add volume control to the panel
[02:11] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I had that problem once in Fedora core 3...had to finally reinstall :(
[02:11] <transgress> anyone know some good light trance techno?  such as the one in the following video http://whoppix.h07.org/Whoppix-wireless.html
[02:11] <stevenj>  ] BreliC[, though I am sure that is a better solution
[02:12] <] BreliC[> stevenj, sheesh, i hope so!
[02:12] <Yono> anyone?
[02:12] <] BreliC[> all i did was install gstreamer-lame, jack, cwcdr... think that's it
[02:12] <] BreliC[> oh, and grip
[02:13] <tbird> Yono, man useradd
[02:13] <Yono> from where?
[02:13] <Yono> I'm stuck on the logon screen
[02:13] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I might be wrong...but I remember reading on ubuntu forums about turning something off / or on in the terminal app you can run
[02:13] <tbird> from a terminal
[02:13] <tbird> oh
[02:13] <senator32> hey i have a stupid question
[02:13] <] BreliC[> stevenj, hmm, thanks.  i'll do a search
[02:13] <senator32> how do you insatll debian packages
[02:13] <Yono> yeah, that makes it a little harder
[02:14] <tbird> lol
[02:14] <senator32> i downloaded 3 files that are not in the package manager
[02:14] <blueyed> senator32, dpkg -i package.deb
[02:14] <senator32> thank
[02:14] <senator32> s
[02:14] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, alsamixer -- run that from terminal and look for analog/digital output jack and make sure its not turned off.
[02:16] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, If you cant run alsamixer then I think your outta luck :(
[02:17] <kor> hey
[02:17] <mrtacheon> Hi, I'm trying to get Ubuntu 5.04 to authenticate to my windows 2000 mixed mode active directory
[02:17] <mrtacheon> I followed the instructions here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5409
[02:18] <mrtacheon> and now when I try to login as a domain user i get the message "The system administrator has disabled access to the system temporarly."
[02:18] <mrtacheon> and I can't login as local users now
[02:18] <] BreliC[> stevenj, it's a laptop.  the issue you mention is one i had previously with suse on my desktop with audigy external
[02:18] <] BreliC[> in any case, the issue is not that I can't get sound, it's that i can no longer control it from gnome.. .i.e. in the CD Player app, i can control the volume, but my Gnome key bindings no longer work, and I can no longer add the volume applet to the panel. when i try to, it just doesn't appear
[02:18] <kakalto> mrtacheon, is this a windows issue or ubuntu issue? are you in the right place?
[02:18] <jfarrell> what version of glib and pkg-config are packaged with the latest version of ubuntu
[02:18] <nickrud> Yono, you need to run init=/bin/sh while starting grub
[02:19] <thread> jfarrell: !! no shit
[02:19] <GustavoSe> Do you want to help someone?  I converted the WEP key to decimal (laptop BSODed when I loaded the calculator).
[02:19] <jfarrell> i thought you were with Gentoo
[02:19] <Yono> nickrud: ok, thanks
[02:19] <mrtacheon> well, since i can't even log on to ubuntu anymore i'd say at least that part is an ubuntu issue
[02:19] <ThomasWinwood> It's 24 digits long and iwconfig still doesn't like it.
[02:19] <gratuit> anyone else using 64 bit hoary finding it to be a bit unstable?
[02:19] <nickrud> Yono, I can't tell you how to do that from grub, i know lilo :)
[02:19] <thread> jfarrell: I'm still a gentoo person on 2 of my 3 machines.. but ubuntu is awesome on this new laptop... and I recommend it to others now
[02:19] <Yono> haha
[02:19] <gratuit> and by a bit I mean very
[02:20] <jfarrell> thread, ahh I am going through the pains of install XSP and Mono
[02:20] <thread> jfarrell: ah.. haven't tried that on ubuntu
[02:20] <mrtacheon> i'm trying to convert people in my business to linux, but slowly, so i'd like to find a distro that easily authenticates to a windows 2000 mixed mode active directory
[02:20] <jfarrell> hehe, i would wager most in here havent :)
[02:21] <fightingfortofu> how do i edit my xorg conf if gnome is running?
[02:21] <goldfish> open it up in an editor
[02:21] <^thehatsrule^> sudo vi blah?
[02:21] <transgress> fightingfortofu: you vegan?
[02:21] <t3rror> can anyone tell me why my synaptic manager would have disappeared after i upgraded from warty to hoary?
[02:21] <fightingfortofu> yeah i did, text editor, its read only
[02:21] <fightingfortofu> transgress, yes
[02:21] <transgress> fightingfortofu: use sudo
[02:22] <transgress> fightingfortofu: rock on!
[02:22] <kor> hey
[02:22] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, x only reads that at startup, edit to your hearts' content :)
[02:22] <t3rror> it disappeared from the menu at least
[02:22] <^thehatsrule^> fightingfortofu, use sudo....
[02:22] <jfarrell> thread, glib should come with GIMP correct
[02:22] <transgress> fightingfortofu: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:22] <kor> does anyone know how to change the alsa card ID?
[02:22] <Epix> how do i restart X?
[02:22] <t3rror> is there a command line run for synaptic?
[02:22] <fightingfortofu> ok.
[02:22] <t3rror> i know apt-get
[02:22] <transgress> t3rror: apt-get
[02:22] <thread> jfarrell: uh... I think it would be a dependency yea
[02:22] <t3rror> i wanted something graphical
[02:22] <dantheman> Epix: control-alt-backspace
[02:22] <fightingfortofu> thanks!
[02:22] <Epix> t3rror: dpkg?
[02:22] <goldfish> Epix: ctrl + alt  backspace
[02:22] <transgress> t3rror: synaptic?
[02:22] <t3rror> synaptic
[02:22] <stevenj> Does anyone use subpixil smoothing on their LCD monitor?
[02:22] <Epix> goldfish: that takes it down, what about up?
[02:22] <t3rror> i don't think it works
[02:22] <jfarrell> ahh nevermind, its not glib, its pkg-config not being able to find glib that is causing problems
[02:23] <Epix> t3rror: or aptitude
[02:23] <transgress> t3rror: are you wanting like an ncurses apt-get?
[02:23] <goldfish> startx
[02:23] <goldfish> ?
[02:23] <Epix> goldfish: k
[02:23] <transgress> what is aptitude?  i keep hearing about it, but haven't used it
[02:23] <ThomasWinwood> How do I get iwconfig to play ball with my WEP key?
[02:23] <fightingfortofu> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt let me edit either
[02:23] <t3rror> i installed warty
[02:23] <nickrud> aptitude is superior software, frontend for apt
[02:24] <t3rror> aptitude is better?
[02:24] <ThomasWinwood> Currently it's 13 bytes hexadecimal.
[02:24] <t3rror> synaptic worked well for me
[02:24] <transgress> fightingfortofu: what's it say?
[02:24] <raydogg> where does ubuntu keep the linux headers?
[02:24] <Zindar> aptitude sucks :)
[02:24] <benz240><PHONE_NUMBER>1010000110000101110100001000000111010001101000011001010010000001100110011101010110001101101011001000000110100101110011001000000111010101110000001011000010000001101101011110010010000001101110011010010110011101100111011000010111001100111111
[02:24] <slappy15> wtf
[02:24] <transgress> benz240: ima rape you
[02:24] <Zindar> tomas: write it in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:24] <nickrud> aptitude is good, synaptic is good (thought I'd never say that)
[02:24] <Epix> goldfish: wtf? it just sent my monitor into the 'blinking power light' state
[02:24] <stuff2021> queston: I installed ubuntu. it rebooted and I get a GRUB error 17 on boot. anyone familiar with this?
[02:25] <ThomasWinwood> Zindar: Care to expand on that?
[02:25] <fightingfortofu> nothing that i was aware i was just able to scroll around with a black cursor box if i hit any keys the pc speaker would beep
[02:25] <goldfish> ctrl + alt + backspace restarts x for me ..
[02:25] <gratuit> ThomasWinwood: iwconfig <device> key <key> doesn't work?
[02:25] <nickrud> Epix, you use gnome?
[02:25] <benz240><PHONE_NUMBER>00111101001100
[02:25] <ThomasWinwood> Nope.
[02:25] <ThomasWinwood> Invalid argument.
[02:25] <transgress> woohoo got rid of kde 3.4 that i spent hours compiling
[02:25] <Epix> nickrud: yes
[02:25] <stuff2021> gentoo is a waste of time
[02:25] <stevenj> maybe it got an aptitude
[02:25] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas what might have screwed up my sound?
[02:25] <closure> transgress, traitor!
[02:25] <nickrud> Epix, echo "gnome-session" > .xsession, then startx
[02:26] <closure> transgress, why did you compile it why not just use the pkg?
[02:26] <transgress> closure: i use gentoo, slack (that will soon be debian), and ubuntu... traitor my ass.
[02:26] <stuff2021> so anyone know what a GRUB error 17 would be ?
[02:26] <closure> transgress, oh this was on another box
[02:26] <transgress> closure: because i must admit seeing gnome and kde boot in like 2 seconds is fun.
[02:26] <closure> hrm
[02:26] <closure> must be nice
[02:26] <phenotype> dood, put it on a raid 0
[02:26] <closure> -closure- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/448.30MHz]
[02:26] <phenotype> then have some fun
[02:26] <closure> never gonna happen on this laptop
[02:26] <closure> lol
[02:26] <phenotype> ha
[02:27] <Epix> nickrud: same thing
[02:27] <stuff2021> my linux won't boot. GRUB error 17.... anyone?
[02:27] <transgress> although ubuntu is killer fast for binaries... debian does something that neither slack packs or rpm's pull off at all.  which is why if i break this gentoo install, ubuntu will be on it in no time.
[02:27] <Epix> the last line that i see from startx is could not init font path element ....
[02:27] <transgress> closure: i feel your pain... worked an awful job for a couple months to get this computer.
[02:27] <jfarrell> alright I give up, where should I point PKG_CONFIG_PATH to so that is sees glib
[02:28] <closure> transgress, i've got a desktop that's like 2.4ghz this is just my toy
[02:28] <Jerub> hi, the new kernel, <IP_ADDRESS>-5 gets 4 lines into the boot sequence and dies on me.
[02:28] <closure> my tv computer as i like to call it
[02:28] <Jerub> it reboots.
[02:28] <transgress> hehe all my boxes are my toys... this is a gaming machine turned linux box... has a radeon 9800 that doesn't even get used
[02:28] <jfarrell> Jerub, how ya doing
[02:28] <closure> so i can rot twice as many brain cells at once
[02:28] <Jerub> <IP_ADDRESS>-3 doesn't. any ideas what could cause this?
[02:28] <t3rror> it was telling me that libapt6 was a required dependency for synaptic
[02:28] <phenotype> anyone know where to get some good looking themes for gnome
[02:29] <phenotype> besides deviantart.com
[02:29] <transgress> i want to find some decent trance techno... but have no clue what kind of stuff that crap is called... it's not as simple as metal
[02:29] <stevenj> gnome look
[02:29] <phenotype> where at steve
[02:29] <abbot45> phenotype: did you check gnome-look.org
[02:29] <transgress> i do not like deviantart... so ... freaking... slow.
[02:29] <phenotype> nope
[02:29] <phenotype> thanks
[02:29] <Janux> hi, there is no JDK available in synaptics?
[02:30] <phenotype> deviantart has real good stuff though, even though thier servers are allmost allways overwhelmed
[02:30] <Jerub> why do I get the feeling no one wants to talk about catastrphic failure caused by kernel upgrades...
[02:30] <nickrud> Janux, it's totally unfree, so no.
[02:30] <occy>  is there a way to change the names of things you have on your desktop... regarding items created via: Places > Connect to server...
[02:30] <stevenj> think I find with gnome themes---is most of them dont freaking work right
[02:30] <stevenj> and neither do the icons sets
[02:31] <stevenj> something is always broken
[02:31] <abbot45> ive never found themes that didnt work.  i am having problems with icons since i switched to hoary though.
[02:31] <Janux> nickrud, o...ic....thanks...
[02:31] <ThomasWinwood> Damn, I need this WEP key to work to connect to the Web and do a package upgrade. :(
[02:31] <phenotype> im just looking to mod the menu themes
[02:31] <stevenj> I mean they work---but not right
[02:31] <kakalto> what is the sound card usually called, /dev/?
[02:31] <phenotype> i dont care about pointers and crap
[02:32] <tritium> Jerub, I haven't heard of that happening to anyone/
[02:32] <abbot45> pointers are seperate.  a bit harder to change as well.  but the defaults for ubuntu are pretty cool if you ask me.
[02:32] <fightingfortofu> ok so if sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt let me edit what else can i try>
[02:32] <fightingfortofu> ?
[02:33] <phenotype> its too big for me
[02:33] <stevenj> milk 2.1 and gnome-apple would the best theme/icon combo I have seen (IMO) and yet.....little things like icons not working...pixmaps too big not named right....I find it impossible to change the damn the volume.png on the gnome panel...so I just use clearlooks
[02:33] <phenotype> my toolbar for windows is tiny
[02:33] <kakalto> anyone?
[02:33] <phenotype> i want the same
[02:33] <ThomasWinwood> Goddamn, how difficult is it to make iwconfig use a WEP key?
[02:34] <tritium> ThomasWinwood, easy.  Did you read the iwconfig man page?
[02:34] <ThomasWinwood> ...I hate me.
[02:34] <kakalto> does anyone know what the /dev/sound_device is called?
[02:34] <ThomasWinwood> I forgot that.
[02:35] <nickrud> kakalto, /dev/dsp sometimes :)
[02:35] <kakalto> nickrud, I'll see
[02:35] <kakalto> thanks
[02:36] <stevenj> phenotype, I would never admit to a tiny toolbar
[02:36] <transgress> is it bad when you're sitting in your house... and you smell gasoline?
[02:36] <phenotype> dont smoke
[02:36] <kakalto> nickrud, my problem is that I'm not sure if the software is actually sending a sound signal or not
[02:36] <kakalto> there's no signal on that device
[02:37] <fightingfortofu> trangress, why am i unable to edit xorg.conf!
[02:37] <phenotype> did it used to work?
[02:37] <kakalto> I'm playing some music, but nothing's coming out
[02:37] <phenotype> did it used to work
[02:37] <nickrud> kakalto, cat some.wav > /dev/dsp will make noise if your sound subsystem is working
[02:37] <tritium> fightingfortofu, make sure you're running Hoary (Warty didn't use Xorg).
[02:37] <fightingfortofu> tritium, i am, 504
[02:37] <phenotype> was it running ok when you initially installed linux, and now its broken, or did it not configure when you installed linux
[02:38] <phenotype> perhaps because mandrake is a 900 GB install
[02:38] <nickrud> kakalto, gnome-alsamixer, and see if everything is on
[02:38] <ThomasWinwood> The manpage for iwconfig says to just type it in as hex digits as XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX.
[02:38] <geneo93> mandrake 10.2 is equal
[02:38] <tritium> fightingfortofu, did you change the file's permissions?  (you're using sudo to edit, right?)
[02:38] <ThomasWinwood> Problem is mine is longer than that.
[02:38] <Janux> cens0red, I just know that Ubuntu is amazing that it works on my Duron 600 with 256MB, GF2 MX400 32MB
[02:38] <kakalto> nickrud, I don't use gnome, it crashes on my system... I installed ubuntu, installed kde, then xfce, and I now use xfce
[02:39] <nickrud> alsamixer then
[02:39] <fightingfortofu> tritium, not that am i aware of, and i was told to use sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf and alls i could do was scroll around with a black cursor box
[02:39] <tritium> kakalto, /proc/asound has lots of good sound information beneath it
[02:39] <cens0red> Janux 32mb? That's impressive! No intermitten screen lockups or anything?
[02:39] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: try using nano instead of vi
[02:39] <kakalto> tritium, is that a sound configuration file?
[02:39] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: it's alot easier :)
[02:39] <tritium> kakalto, no, just info
[02:39] <thread> my qt app I'm trying to build isn't seeing my /usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h
[02:39] <stevenj> cens0red, one I noticed comparing FC3 and Ubuntu (Hoary) is that hoary does run a bunch crap services by default
[02:39] <kakalto> ahk
[02:39] <kakalto> thanks
[02:39] <thread> where do I add that dir so it gets found?
[02:40] <stevenj> DOes not
[02:40] <fightingfortofu> goldfish, use the same command just sub vi with nano?
[02:40] <Janux> cens0red, as I remember, it should be 32MB, how do I check it out?
[02:40] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: yep, nano is a simple editor
[02:40] <cens0red> stevenj hoary does? or fc3 does?
[02:40] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: when ur finished, ctrl + x, y, enter. To save and exit.
[02:40] <stevenj> cens0red, sorry I does not
[02:40] <fightingfortofu> goldfish, thanks!
[02:40] <goldfish> np
[02:40] <stevenj> cens0red, meant...damn I am tired
[02:41] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: if you want to learn vi/vim, try running vimtutor :)
[02:41] <fightingfortofu> goldfish, it works!
[02:41] <fightingfortofu> yay
[02:41] <ThomasWinwood> So what do I do when the WEP key is longer than the manpage says it should be?
[02:41] <stevenj> cens0red, what I'm trying is that ubuntu (I think) seems fasters or is faster for this reason
[02:41] <cens0red> Janux not sure. There's probably an easy way to tell how much ram you have from the command line. Dunno what it is though.
[02:42] <Janux> cens0red, hmm..let me see..
[02:42] <ThomasWinwood> So what do I do when the WEP key is longer than the manpage says it should be?
[02:43] <cens0red> Janux $cat /proc/meminfo |less
[02:43] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: cool
[02:44] <ThomasWinwood> So what do I do when the WEP key is longer than the manpage says it should be?
[02:44] <Janux> cens0red, that's only system memory, isn't it?  anyway, I found, it's not 32MB, hahahah..it's 128MB....but let me make sure by going to find the box...did I buy that much? then it doesn't make sense to have this kind of graphics..:P
[02:45] <XandriX> jdub, are u there ???
[02:46] <Janux> cens0red, it's very weird, it shows that I have prefetchable of 128MB, and it's a GF2 MX400 but I found the box, it is actually a GF2MX200 32MB
[02:46] <cens0red> Janux well /proc/meminfo says "MemTotal". It tells me "256808 kB", which is correct in my case ... having 2x128meg SDRAM sticks on the mboard.
[02:46] <Janux> cens0red, that makes more sense
[02:46] <Thorrn4> I have a problem..I have no sound, but earlier it was there; is there a way to get it back?
[02:46] <Janux> cens0red, no I was talking about the video card memory, not system memory.  my system has 256MB and video card memory has 32MB
[02:47] <cens0red> Janux well that's not really astounding that ubuntu runs smoothly on your system. Still, pretty good.
[02:49] <Thorrn4> can someone help me with my sound issue?
[02:49] <cens0red> anyone checked out http://damnsmalllinux.org/ ? It's pretty cute. I've tried running it on bochs.
[02:49] <Janux> cens0red, true...wanna install it on my P233 later...but I guess I will run this Duron 600 as server and make that P233 as thin client.
[02:49] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, whats not working?
[02:49] <Thorrn4> the sound Elsidox
[02:49] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, this might be of some help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=linux+sound
[02:51] <davix> kakalto, are you here?
[02:51] <kakalto> davix, yeah
[02:52] <^vir^> hi
[02:53] <^vir^> has anyone tried out expocity yet?
[02:53] <jzaval> hey, has anyone run into serious X problems with the 7174 nvidia drivers? like an actual-black screen at startup?
[02:54] <jasperloot> You know the default gnome desktop settings, how there is a panel on the top and bottom?
[02:54] <muwu> Hi. help me get java plugin working in firefox.. been trying for hours..
[02:54] <jasperloot> one says applications and places...etc?
[02:54] <muwu> The method in gnome doesn't work.
[02:54] <cens0red> jzaval yeah heaps of people according to ubuntuforums.org. The standard advice there is use the apt-get nvidia drivers.
[02:55] <jasperloot> the other one shows the applications running and minimized browsers?
[02:55] <jzaval> i get the same thing whether i apt-get the package or i get the NVIDIA drivers
[02:55] <jasperloot> what is that one called and how do I get it back to my desktop>
[02:55] <jzaval> or when i try downgrading
[02:57] <Thorrn4> Elsidox, I HAVE SOUND THANK YOU
[02:58] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, no problem =)
[02:59] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, if you need anything eles just ask
[02:59] <jasperloot> how do I get metacity back to my desktop?
[02:59] <Levander> Hey, forget the key sequence to switch from X-Windows back to a regular terminal.
[03:01] <Thorrn4> Elsidox, I got 1 more thing, Kaffeine plays when I close the program (CD music) but the system try is not visual
[03:01] <Thorrn4> where did it go, I dont know; it use to be there
[03:01] <Levander> g14: ha! you've got to use Ctrl and Alt on the left side of the keyboard for some reason.  I was using Ctrl and Alt on the right side.  Go figure.
[03:01] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, are you running kde?
[03:01] <Thorrn4> GNOME
[03:01] <g14> Levander: Yeah I guess that would do it
[03:01] <muwu> nickrud, will check out now
[03:02] <EricNeon> hello all~
[03:02] <jzaval> hi
[03:02] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, why use kaffeine when totem works great? =)
[03:02] <Janux> does /var store all log files only? can I delete them as they grow that my filesystem is almost running out?
[03:02] <Jerub> hi
[03:02] <Jerub> installing a new kernel flat out breaks my system
[03:02] <Levander> g14: well, no, don't know what I was doing wrong, try same thing I tried before, worked this time
[03:02] <jzaval> jerub how are you installing the kernel
[03:03] <g14> Levander: Weird
[03:03] <jzaval> apt-get?
[03:03] <Jerub> jzaval: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-6868
[03:03] <Thorrn4> I like Kaffeine...but the point is...that the Elsidox there is no system tray
[03:03] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, ohhh there no  system tray at all?
[03:03] <jzaval> Jerub: you're sure you have a 686 processor?
[03:03] <Thorrn4> none Elsidox
[03:04] <Thorrn4> there is none at all
[03:04] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, right click the panel and add notification area
[03:05] <Thorrn4> there is non Elsidox
[03:05] <Thorrn4> none*
[03:05] <jzaval> Jerub: i recommend using synaptic and doing a search for all things with "686" in them and install all applicable kernel packages...headers, etc
[03:06] <jzaval> 686 in the title only..
[03:06] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, right click on the planel> go to add> scroll down to "notification area"> highlight it and click add. If you dont see "notification area" at all tell me.
[03:06] <dell500> w00t
[03:07] <Thorrn4> WWWOOOHHHOOO Elsidox
[03:07] <dell500> so how do i switch to KDE now?? :)
[03:07] <AvvY> KDE is evil
[03:07] <dazzed> AvvY: sooo right
[03:07] <AvvY> lol
[03:08] <dell500> why?
[03:08] <dell500> gnome is slow
[03:08] <dazzed> its not bad
[03:08] <dazzed> get more ram :)
[03:08] <AvvY> i never noticed any problems
[03:08] <icebalm> slow on a 486
[03:08] <AvvY> 486...HAHA
[03:08] <nickrud> dell500, you go to #kubuntu :)
[03:08] <icebalm> I have an athlon xp 2500+, gnome isn't slow
[03:09] <nakata> kde is the bomb.
[03:09] <dell500> i've got a 2800, it's slow
[03:09] <nakata> i'm especially loving 3.4
[03:09] <Thorrn4> I like xfce
[03:09] <dazzed> i have a duron 750mhz and gnome is fine
[03:09] <dell500> but that's just me
[03:09] <icebalm> dell500: then you have hardware problems
[03:09] <closure> dell500, gnome?
[03:09] <dell500> yup
[03:09] <closure> dell500, i told you it's sluggish to me
[03:10] <Thorrn4> bye all
[03:10] <dell500> seem to be lagging a bit
[03:10] <closure> dell500, go KDE come to the darkside >8-)
[03:10] <dell500> lol
[03:10] <closure> dell500, or "step into the blue"
[03:10] <closure> dell500, that's a bit more fitting as K's logo is blue
[03:10] <Jerub> jzaval: oh, thanks.
[03:10] <Jerub> jzaval: turns out it was a VIA chip that isn't 686
[03:10] <closure> dell500, try it out if you don't like it it's easy to remove
[03:10] <Jerub> jzaval: mini-itx board, I assumed intel chip
[03:10] <fightingfortofu> ok so i messed up my xorg.conf and now x doesnt work but i have the original saved as xorg.conf-old, how do i revert back to the old one?
[03:11] <closure> dell500, do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:11] <closure> dell500, once it's in logout and there will be an option for it under "session"
[03:11] <nakata> no more smelly feet on your desktop
[03:11] <nakata> hehe
[03:11] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, so that helped?
[03:12] <dell500> how do you get to use root in terminal again?? suser?
[03:12] <jzaval> sudo
[03:12] <closure> sudo
[03:12] <Elsidox> dell500, or sudo su
[03:12] <jedediah> sudo <command name --parameters>
[03:12] <muwu> ah java is cracking me up...
[03:13] <muwu> thus far, I've tried make-javapkg (or something like that), manual installation accordign to the "unofficial guide"
[03:13] <dell500> what does the live disc have on it?
[03:13] <decaf> munki: make-jpkg worked for me
[03:13] <dell500> cause i need to insert the Release disc, not sure if that's the install or live
[03:14] <ewqaer> how do you load an exe. file?
[03:14] <muwu> decaf, well, it used to work before.. now, it doesn't (after complete reinstallation)
[03:14] <jzaval> ewqaer
[03:14] <jzaval> get wine
[03:14] <closure> dell500? is your ubuntu box online?
[03:14] <dell500> yup
[03:14] <ewqaer> wine?
[03:14] <dell500> i'm on it
[03:14] <closure> oh
[03:14] <dell500> wine = Windows emulator for exe files and such
[03:14] <closure> why is it not getting the kubuntu from the repositories i wonder
[03:15] <muwu> man, linux =\= "just works"
[03:15] <jedediah> Anyone ever try to run ubuntu on a compaq/hp laptop with an ATI video card?
[03:15] <closure> or are you installing something else?
[03:15] <closure> muwu, haha that's the truth
[03:15] <p> peace everyone! how is everyone tonight (u don't really have to answer [^_~] ... does anyone know where I can learn to ask Konsole to run a command or install something.. like the ATI Drivers.. I don't need the quick answer, I just wonder where to read on it.. (TIA)
[03:15] <dell500> closure, did sudo su, password inserted, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <jzaval> ewqaer: type "sudo apt-get install wine" into your console
[03:15] <arkainium> wine is not an emulator... lol
[03:15] <jzaval> haha
[03:16] <p> (is there a Kubuntu channel, anyone know?)
[03:16] <muwu> closure, seriously, everytime I have to get the same functionality of Windows XP, I have to spend at least a few hours reading Man pages, HOWTO's, and editing bunch of stuff...
[03:16] <dell500> says to insert the  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[03:16] <nickrud> muwu, what kind of errors are you getting while using make-jpkg?
[03:16] <closure> *shrugs* put your install disk in
[03:16] <closure> maybe it's on there
[03:16] <jedediah> Dell500: did you add the online repositories and delete your CD (binary) repos.?
[03:16] <muwu> Rant/Troll continued: seriously, linux might be free, but it takes a lot of time.. (well not in the sort of cleaning out malwares, but just setting it up_
[03:16] <cens0red> p /list #kubuntu
[03:16] <closure> muwu, it's a piece dude that's for sure
[03:16] <dell500> jedediah, not yet
[03:16] <dell500> should i do that before?
[03:16] <muwu> nickrud, it works now.. I had to delete and re do ln -s to the plug in
[03:17] <jedediah> dell500: It worked for me
[03:17] <p> ---(closure) thanky!
[03:17] <closure> p?
[03:17] <dell500> it's working, it just needed the cd in *shrug*
[03:17] <closure> #kubuntu
[03:17] <jedediah> that works too
[03:17] <muwu> Well, now only if I can get my USB flash memory hot plug working... it works for the couple of times then it craps on me.. unless I restart.
[03:17] <nickrud> muwu, strange, it put in the link in mozilla/firefox for me, but whatever works
[03:17] <nakata> dell500: didn't it just say that?
[03:17] <dell500> k, well it's updating, i'll bb in a bit
[03:17] <dell500> nakata, ya
[03:17] <muwu> Now, I can finally finish that student loan consolidation application.. (sigh sigh).
[03:17] <dell500> but i think if i updated the repos it wouldn't of asked
[03:17] <closure> p, #kubuntu not sure if you saw that
[03:17] <nakata> right => on.
[03:18] <nickrud> muwu, it's a hack, but sometimes i do /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[03:18] <syn1> how do i set my cdrw drive to DMA on
[03:18] <syn1> ?
[03:18] <p> I saw it  Closure.. thanks a mill (logging on as we speak/txt)
[03:18] <fightingfortofu> im horrible at trying to get the ati drivers working.
[03:18] <goldfish> syn1: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:18] <muwu> nickrud, I never realized why hotplut didn't work under KdE but works (kinda) under GNOME, it turns out.. ubuntu hotplug depends on gnome-volume-manager...
[03:18] <nickrud> syn1, hdparm -d1 /dev/<whereeveryourcdromis>
[03:19] <closure> jedediah, does the install cd not automaticly add the online repo's?
[03:19] <syn1> nickrud: wheres the cd rom at by default
[03:19] <p> >> peace everyone! ya'll have a beautiful night and keep supporting ubuntu!
[03:19] <jzaval> jedediah, no it doesn;t
[03:20] <nickrud> syn1, depends on where you've got it plugged into in your machine
[03:20] <dell500> xchat is the shizzle, can connect to more than one server at a time in one window, w00t
[03:21] <muwu> seriously, they better fix hotplugging.. i mean in Windows, you plug in something, and it just shows up..without a failure.. no need to do "mout xxx" and then "umount" everytime..
[03:21] <dell500> having cable is awesome, it's gonna suck when i go away for school though, no fast internet :(
[03:21] <nickrud> syn1, try ls -l /dev/cdrom
[03:21] <muwu> dell500, your grade won't suffer.. don't get fast internet..
[03:22] <muwu> in fact, don't bring your computer to school..
[03:22] <jzaval> haha
[03:22] <jzaval> thats good advice right there
[03:22] <syn1> nickrud: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-04-26 15:47 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[03:22] <muwu> it's so true.. my grades in college went down ever since getting a PC...
[03:22] <dell500> well i'm going to be an incoming transfer student at soph level (i've been bouncing around schools and stuff) so when i wanna use the internet, it's gonna suck cause we might have to do dialup
[03:22] <nickrud> syn1, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:22] <jzaval> i failed two classes in a semester because of counter-strike
[03:22] <muwu> right now, in grad school, I might get all C's..because of computers
[03:22] <muwu> '
[03:22] <dell500> but it all depends on money i guess
[03:22] <davix> how do I change an SMB's share encoding or charset?
[03:22] <dell500> muwu, so true, so true
[03:23] <muwu> seriously, just get a TV, and a dvd player... that's enough foryour entertainment.. if you need to write a paper, go to computer lab.
[03:23] <nickrud> syn1, then man hdparm, and edit /etc/hdparm.conf so it happens every time you boot
[03:24] <syn1> nickrud: thanks man
[03:24] <joe|code> Buh Bye KDE
[03:24] <muwu> damn you loanconslidation.ed.gov, their java script doesn't work in firefox...
[03:24] <geneo93> nickrud:  will that work on scsi cdr
[03:25] <icebalm> write them a nasty email
[03:25] <Vision-Korn> I have a wg511 on my dell insprion 1100 and i cant get it to work on the internet
[03:25] <Vision-Korn> I have a wg511 on my dell insprion 1100 and i cant get it to work on the internet ----- can someone help
[03:25] <nickrud> geneo93, haven't a clue :)
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> whats the problem with it?
[03:26] <geneo93> my scsi cdr is sr0
[03:26] <dell500> back a r00ni
[03:26] <nickrud> geneo93, and how are ya
[03:26] <Vision-Korn> the card lights up and it says 100% signal but still no internet
[03:27] <thechitowncubs> Vision-Korn: did you install the prism54 firmware?
[03:27] <Vision-Korn> yes
[03:27] <usual> I have an issue with the desktop in hoary, when I download things in firefox, the show up on the desktop, but they are a little off the screen ...too far to the left
[03:27] <geneo93> oh fine i think but both dvdr and cdr cant be used
[03:28] <Hatesbabyblue2> thechitowncubs 24-13-196-72
[03:28] <nickrud> geneo93, i've never used scuzzy stuff, so i'd be talking out of an orifice not used in polite company
[03:29] <nickrud> geneo93, you mean you simply cant' read from them?
[03:29] <geneo93> i think this thing is confused about what to use
[03:29] <geneo93> mandrake is the same way
[03:30] <nickrud> usual, welcome to the club :)
[03:30] <usual> nickrud, known issue then?
[03:30] <devnul1> hey
[03:30] <nickrud> usual, it's been that way since I started using 2.0
[03:30] <dazzed> whats the prob usual ?
[03:31] <usual> dazzed, I have an issue with the desktop in hoary, when I download things in firefox, the show up on the desktop, but they are a little off the screen ...too far to the left
[03:31] <dazzed> oh yeah thats been around for some time now
[03:31] <muwu> ah, I am done with loan consolidatin..
[03:31] <dazzed> muwu: no
[03:31] <jedediah> Has anyone experienced getting thrown back to the console? Every once in a while (and completely randomly), my X session is lost and I see the console. However, ps -auwx shows that everything is still running.
[03:31] <muwu> For those with huge student loans, do your consolidation to luck in your student interest rate before they raise in July 1...
[03:32] <jzaval> jedediah, are you pressing ctrl-alt-backspace, by chance?
[03:32] <nickrud> dazzed, you run in circles above me :)
[03:33] <muwu> nickrud, dazzed, good for you..
[03:33] <dle> Hi.  What's the command that makes a new font in ~/.fonts/ available?
[03:33] <dell500> i'll bbl, don't feel too good
[03:33] <muwu> "are you pressing ctrl-alt-backspace, by chance?" :D
[03:33] <dell500> peace
[03:33] <dazzed> jedediah: are u happening ot be pressing ctrl + alt + f* by any chance
[03:33] <devnul1> a common typo :) hit a bunch of keys at the same time
[03:33] <nickrud> muwu, we know just how lucky we were ....
[03:33] <jzaval> well, it sounds like it...
[03:33] <transgress> okay the smell of gasoline in my house is really starting to freak me out
[03:33] <jzaval> haha
[03:33] <devnul1> nice you guys all have different colloured nicks!
[03:33] <dazzed> im getting this kubuntu-desktop crap to see what the fuss is about
[03:34] <devnul1> :P
[03:34] <geneo93> nickrud:  what the name for device manager
[03:34] <jedediah> Nope, not even touching the keyboard, just randomly
[03:34] <dazzed> my flux still owns gnome and kde by far
[03:34] <jzaval> heating oil or gasoline?
[03:34] <muwu> Things to do when I have more time: 1. fix hotplug 2. enable NAT or whatever to share internet using my wireless card
[03:34] <fightingfortofu> im struggling trying to figure out how to get ati drivers and video out working :(
[03:34] <jzaval> jedediah: what happens when you restart x
[03:34] <devnul1> if you have a static IP, I suggest SNAT :)
[03:34] <jedediah> If I re-run gdm, I can log in again, but I can't find a way to reconnect my display
[03:34] <muwu> fightingfortofu, good luck.. ATI drivers suck under Linux...
[03:34] <nickrud> geneo93, if I understand you, system-> admin->device manager
[03:34] <jedediah> kill HUP X sends me back to the logon
[03:34] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: did u download the ati glk
[03:34] <devnul1> kunbuntu?
[03:34] <dazzed> glx*
[03:35] <geneo93> nickrud:  ok thanks
[03:35] <muwu> fightingfortofu, just get a well supported low end NVIDIA card and save your time and hair (from falling out due to frustration/anger/disappointment)
[03:35] <^vir^> kubuntu is ubuntu loaded with kde
[03:35] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, no, ive been following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 and being so new its hard to understand what exactly im should be doing
[03:35] <redemption> 'Ello all
[03:35] <^vir^> hi
[03:36] <nickrud> muwu, is there a decent pci nvidia card (for my ancient machine)
[03:36] <jzaval> besides, gnome has a cooler logo. and a cooler name :-D
[03:36] <devnul1> oohhhh, I tried that but KDE doesnt like the gome directory being CIFS or SMB :(
[03:36] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: let me look at the ubuntu forums and see what ur going through
[03:36] <devnul1> gome = home
[03:36] <devnul1> typo
[03:36] <muwu> it tooke me four hours to get ATI opengl hardware accelaration going... it worked good enough in the end.. only to realize that my mplayer -vo xv got broken in the process.
[03:36] <fightingfortofu> muwu, that sounds boring. i have a perfectly good card i should be able to figure out to get ir workign
[03:36] <devnul1> BBL
[03:36] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, thanks!
[03:36] <nickrud> GNU Object Modelled Environment = cool?
[03:36] <muwu> nickrud, any nvidia over GEforce 200 would be good enough..unless you are going to play games.. seriously ATI sucks in linux
[03:37] <^vir^> muwu, whats a good gfxs card under linux?
[03:37] <nickrud> muwu, not really games, just luminocity :)
[03:37] <^vir^> ahh nvidia...
[03:37] <muwu> well, I no longer own any nvidia, but based on my past experience (1.5 year ago), nvidia driver installation is a breeze, and performance is pretty good.
[03:38] <muwu> nickrud, even onboard nforce 2 card would run luminosity smoothly... not ATI.
[03:38] <redemption> from what I understad nvidia performance is much better under linux then ATI due to state of the drivers.
[03:38] <nickrud> muwu, thanks, I think I can waste that kind of money :)
[03:38] <jzaval> the 7174 drivers are buggy as hell with some geforce2's
[03:39] <nickrud> jzaval = party pooper :)
[03:39] <jzaval> yea...
[03:39] <brenton> i'm experiencing some strange behavior with php and mysql... i can get phpmyadmin working... but wordpress swears i don't have mysql
[03:39] <jzaval> i've only been trying to get them to work for 3 weeks
[03:39] <cyberdyne> HY FAGS! I BRING TO YOU THE GLORY OF THE GNAA!
[03:40] <cyberdyne> #wikipedia unable to join channel (address is banned)
[03:40] <cyberdyne> -
[03:40] <cyberdyne> #gentoo unable to join channel (address is banned)
[03:40] <cyberdyne> -
[03:40] <cyberdyne> #debian unable to join channel (address is banned)
[03:40] <cyberdyne> -
[03:40] <nickrud> I just would like to keep this thing running for a few more years, it's my baby.
[03:40] <cyberdyne> *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *G
[03:40] <cyberdyne> *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *G
[03:40] <nopea> anybody install VLC on Unbutu?
[03:40] <jzaval> [eyeroll]
[03:40] <^thehatsrule^> wtf.
[03:40] <Jerub> a 2
[03:40] <redemption> wow, how annoying.
[03:40] <nickrud> does that kind of thing happen often?
[03:40] <Boohbah> this channel really needs some ops
[03:40] <hypno> nopea: yeah, its in apt
[03:41] <Delph> lol
[03:41] <brenton> i'm experiencing some strange behavior with php and mysql... i can get phpmyadmin working... but wordpress swears i don't have mysql
[03:41] <Delph> GNAA hits #ubuntu =:)
[03:41] <bpuccio> a quick google for GNAA brings up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America
[03:41] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: you see everything in the textboxes with $ before it...thats what your supposed to be entering into your term
[03:41] <jzaval> yea, its from slashdot
[03:41] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, yeah i figured that out
[03:41] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: and just follow the instructions u should be good
[03:41] <bpuccio> wow, had no idea that people had so much free time to disrupt others
[03:41] <nopea> evertime I try to install I get dependcies errors
[03:41] <hypno> bpuccio: aye they're a known troll group
[03:41] <brenton> i've been googling this for a while, and it seems other people with ubuntu have had similar problems
[03:41] <^vir^> cyberdyne is a bloody immature pick :(
[03:41] <Delph> at least it's not doing #debian at the same time.
[03:41] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, i keep messing up my xorg.conf :/
[03:42] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: you know what ur doing wrong?
[03:42] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, i think.
[03:42] <jzaval> fightingfortofu, run sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:42] <hypno> nopea: are you on hoary? and what are the dependency errors?
[03:42] <fightingfortofu> jzaval, why what will that do?
[03:43] <jzaval> it rebuilds the xorg file
[03:43] <bpuccio> troll groups?  wow, never heard of such...  boggles my mind, anyhow, I'm off to do school work, night all
[03:43] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: just look for every instance in that example file for you that says ATI or glx for drivers or devices and add them or replace those lines in ur xorg.conf
[03:43] <nopea> hypno: Yes Horay - I will get the the erros
[03:43] <jzaval> in a more user friendly way, fightingfortofu
[03:43] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, i think im messing up on step 3 where it says to copy relevant sections to your xorg.conf
[03:44] <fightingfortofu> jzaval, i already messed up one and reverted back to the defualt one that i save with sudo cp
[03:44] <jzaval> oh you already saved it.
[03:44] <redemption> anyone know how to copy a working install on one harddrive to another harddrive so that you can remove the first hard drive? i.e. copy everything over then install grub on the other harddrive?\
[03:45] <fightingfortofu> jzaval, yes the howto said to!
[03:45] <nopea> hypno: is it in Ubuntu's source list?
[03:45] <jzaval> fightingfortofu, some people think themselves above such petty measures...no offense meant :-D
[03:45] <hypno> nopea: if you mean package database, yeah, it installed fine for me from apt
[03:46] <phasegen> For those in here earlier when I was crying like a three year old... I'm Sorry.  My noob butt just needed to google the wiki to find what I needed.
[03:46] <nopea> hypno
[03:46] <p> (redemption) .. if you find out, post it somehow, as I'd love to move to a bigger HD without having to go through all of this again...
[03:46] <joseAway> any known issues with g3 ibooks and the ppc livecd I should know about?
[03:46] <nopea> hyno: whats is the package name?
[03:46] <phasegen> I feel so dumb about that...
[03:46] <fightingfortofu> jzvaval, this is my second day with linux
[03:47] <p> (phasegen).. happens to all of us.. I keep my RTFM as my  badge near my computer so no one has to tell me off (lol)
[03:47] <jzaval> rofl
[03:47] <hypno> redemption: if you have a livecd you should be able to set your new hard drive as the root when you boot the kernel. You should then run grub normally - someone who knows grub better might know a better way.
[03:48] <hypno> nopea: 'vlc'
[03:48] <muwu> p, BUT why do we need freaking manuals/HOWTO's to do simple things?
[03:48] <nickrud> p, redemption  take a look at http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.php
[03:48] <phasegen> I'll be okay in a couple of days, after I get my head out and clean it up a bit...
[03:48] <phasegen> thank you all very much.
[03:48] <fightingfortofu> i think one of my problems is that i dont really know how to read the conf
[03:48] <nickrud> phasegen, we all have bad days ...
[03:49] <hypno> muwu: because it's not easy enough yet
[03:49] <muwu> phasegen, do some yoga/meditation/praying/fasting/sex/smokingpot
[03:49] <nopea> hypno: OK dont see it in synaptic - The VLC site has a link to put in my source list but that one doenst work
[03:49] <redemption> nickrud: Thank your!
[03:49] <nickrud> muwu, because no one is paid to make it easy, basically.
[03:50] <muwu> yes, because most people who use linux are bunch of geeks.. i mean hard-core geeks who hate GUI/KISS philosophy'
[03:51] <p> (muwu) word.. lol.. so I should find one that states: RTFHT (lololol)
[03:51] <RRubin> nah. making guis and simplifying complex stuff take huge ammounts of time
[03:51] <muwu> Ubuntu is a lot easier than previous distro's, but it's still far away..
[03:51] <] BreliC[> nopea, do you have the multiverse and universe sources enabled?
[03:51] <CarlK> Kiss rocks
[03:51] <hypno> muwu: maybe but that's changing
[03:51] <RRubin> there is something to be said for learning a complex tool
[03:51] <jzaval> thinkgeek wisdom: chicks dig unix.
[03:52] <nickrud> muwu, I agree totally, but to get something for free, I expect to work for it :)
[03:52] <RRubin> you wouldnt walk into a woodshop and expect to be able to make a nice end table without years of exp
[03:52] <Nalioth> nopea, just jumped in, but do you have your sources.list fully stocked?
[03:52] <jzaval> you mean no one else uses *nix to pick up women?
[03:52] <jzaval> :-D
[03:52] <nopea> BreliC:yes universe is commented out
[03:52] <] BreliC[> today's society looks for instant gratification... they don't expect to have to work for anything and want to be instantly rewarded
[03:52] <muwu> things I had to do to get some functionality out of Unbuntu Hoary: 1. set up java (3 hours) 2. set up bluetooth (1 hour) 3. set up printer (1 hour) 4. setup Palm syncro (1 hour)
[03:52] <nickrud> jzaval, you geek king
[03:52] <jzaval> muwu, java took 3 hours?
[03:53] <Nalioth> nopea, you need universe and multiverse UNcommented out
[03:53] <RRubin> muwu: write up the steps, for the next guy
[03:53] <hypno> muwu: what sources are listed under the hoary entry in synaptic's repository dialog? There should be "Officially maintained" and maybe others
[03:53] <muwu> jzaval, java was the hardest
[03:53] <nopea> Nalioth, what would be the def. of full stocked :)
[03:53] <jzaval> what the hell went wrong muwu?
[03:53] <Nalioth> nopea, you need all of em, plus maybe marrilat
[03:53] <muwu> Rrubin, I should...
[03:53] <hypno> not muwu , nopea
[03:53] <RRubin> muwu: or better, make script .deb's for those packages that automates it..
[03:53] <] BreliC[> nopea, yes, make sure they are not commented (no # in front of them) and you need to refresh your sources (sudo apt-get update)
[03:53] <muwu> jzaval, first, I didn't now how to setup paths for java... so I had to read up on that, still I am confused..
[03:53] <geneo93> nickrud:  what the story with dvdrip
[03:54] <hypno> muwu: theres a nice three-step guide to installing java on the ubuntuguide site
[03:54] <] BreliC[> nopea, you dn't need marillat for VLC if that's what you're looking for
[03:54] <redemption> nickrud: the problem with that howto is it is limited to lilo. nothing on grub.  Thanks for sharing though!
[03:54] <nickrud> geneo93, no dvd in this machine :)
[03:54] <Nalioth> nopea, the http://www.ubuntuforums.org have answers and addresses for all these nice repositorys
[03:54] <nickrud> redemption, just move your grub config, and update-grub, i would think
[03:54] <nopea> ok all open - lets see...
[03:54] <muwu> geneo93, settup dvdrip would be a challenge.. you have to reinstall mplayer (recompile with lame support, and mencoder), then you have to install bunch of libraries, but one of the packages is broken, so basically, you can't.
[03:55] <] BreliC[> incidentally, is there a way to make my CD rip at a faster speed than 2.5x on average?? Sheesh, it's a 40x spin, 8x burner (i know, slow by today's standards).. but seriously
[03:55] <muwu> geneo93, I recommend acidrip, which actually works.. but you have to recompile mplayer
[03:55] <hypno> muwu: not true, i'm ripping a dvd with mencoder right now
[03:55] <redemption> nickrud: Unfortunately my old harddrive is ide and my new one is SATA. hda1 versus sda1
[03:55] <fightingfortofu> at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install under 5. configure x, where section module is do i just want those three to load only or do i want the other things in my conf that are already there to load as well as the three?
[03:55] <muwu> hypno, i prefer GUI/frontend... :)
[03:55] <geneo93> hmm i like mplayer the way it is
[03:55] <nickrud> redemption, yeah, that thing is from 2000, but, a moment
[03:55] <hypno> yeah but when there's no choice.. A choice is best, though.
[03:55] <muwu> also, tried to gkismet working, but alas, I am missing some libraries and don't know how to get them.
[03:56] <jzaval> when people ask me why i use linux, i open firestarter and show them the network scans, irc scans, and sasser attacks that happen less than every five seconds
[03:56] <nickrud> group, doesn't cp -ar get an accurate partition copy to a new partition?
[03:56] <nopea> Nalioth,
[03:56] <muwu> geo93, but don't you need to enable lame support to get mp3 encoding working? unless you prefer ogg
[03:56] <nopea> Nalioth, ok that did it
[03:56] <hypno> muwu: the art of figuring out which package contains the library that a compile script is complaining about is a black one, indeed.
[03:57] <geneo93> well i just wanted to rip a dvd today before i had to take it back
[03:57] <RRubin> is there a packages.debian.org equiv for ubuntu?
[03:58] <] BreliC[> anyone?  what speeds are you getting when you rip a CD?
[03:58] <muwu> i guess I kinda wished I had the option of downloading a program that is already statistically linked... I mean if apt-get doesn't fully resolve dependencies...then instead of spending hours reading man's and editing config's.. I would rather download prelinked versions..
[03:58] <jzaval> rrubin, just enable all the repositories in synaptic, making sure to check multiverse and universe
[03:58] <hypno> geneo93: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:58] <hypno> RRubin even
[03:58] <redemption> nickrud: I've been using cp -aRx `dir name in root directory' 'new place'
[03:59] <Nalioth> nopea, with all the aforementioned repositories, you have access to lots more stuff, read the ubuntuforums.org guides
[03:59] <RRubin> jzaval: you can search that for 'all packages that contain files like ___' ?
[03:59] <nickrud> redemption, sata stuff sucks now, i hear, but since i don't have one ....
[03:59] <jzaval> yea, rrubin
[03:59] <nopea> I noticed in the synaptic manager that I have the i386 kernel installed... I am on a P4 3ghz should I be using the 686?
[03:59] <FeJaOr> does anybody know if there is any project on release Ubuntu 5.10??
[03:59] <tritium> nopea, you could, yes
[04:00] <nopea> tritium, should i remove the 386 kernel?
[04:00] <jzaval> nopea, you could, but many packages, including the nvidia, are more buggy on 686
[04:00] <jzaval> the optimization is not that much with the 686 kernel, nopea
[04:00] <tritium> nopea, I would first install the -686 kernel, and then only remove the 386 kernel after everything is verified to work correctly
[04:00] <nopea> I am using the Nvidia package so maybe I wont
[04:00] <muwu> jzaval, how about for Athlon XP?
[04:01] <snarf> is there a list of supported hardware for ubuntu? i am not sure if my wireless card will work
[04:01] <RRubin> jzaval: is it the cpu opts that make nvidia more unstable?
[04:01] <FeJaOr> does anybody know if there is any project on release Ubuntu 5.10??
[04:01] <geneo93> jzaval:  i have nvidia on 686smp and it works just fine
[04:01] <tritium> nopea, there are no problems with nvidia on 686
[04:01] <redemption> nickrud: as much as sata stuff sucks, it's still better then my current ide hd. faster thoroughput with no dma on then my ide with dma on.
[04:01] <redemption> t:-P
[04:01] <p>  let's talk dual head..
[04:01] <p> hehehe
[04:01] <jzaval> dunno, just i had nvidia issues with 686
[04:01] <Zindar> fejaor: what do you mean?
[04:01] <p> trying so hard for 2 days now to get it working =(
[04:01] <Zindar> fejaor: sure.. 5.10 will be released
[04:01] <RRubin> jzaval: custom compiled?
[04:01] <p> but will keep at it! (I am in love with linux!)
[04:01] <FeJaOr> Zindar, when is that going to happen?
[04:01] <nickrud> redemption, I don't doubt it, my system is so slow i'm not telling
[04:02] <phenotype_> ok, laugh as you wish, im a complete noob
[04:02] <woolsherpahat> One of my users wrecked there gnome configs, if you try to log in you get gnome-panel already started error
[04:02] <tritium> nopea, just install linux-686, and it'll grab linux-image- and linux-restricted-modules, and you'll be set
[04:02] <Zindar> fejaor: 5.10 = 2005-10
[04:02] <phenotype_> i need help installing a program, compiling it from source
[04:02] <] BreliC[> anyone here using the 64 bit version on an AMD64?
[04:02] <woolsherpahat> I can't seem to get any debugging information or kill gnome-panel from a terminal
[04:02] <geneo93> FeJaOr: october
[04:03] <phenotype_> can anyone help
[04:03] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, what's the problem?
[04:03] <p> btw: there is someone on the KDE channell who messed up their KDE..
[04:03] <woolsherpahat> Does gnome keep logs anywhere?
[04:03] <phenotype_> dont know how to install a program
[04:03] <FeJaOr> My mozilla firefox just crashed and I forced it to quit but now I cannot open it cause everytime I tried to open it the starting part shows up but then it quits.....anyone??
[04:03] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, ok, what are you trying to install?
[04:03] <hypno> phenotype_: did you read the INSTALL file?
[04:03] <RRubin> phenotype_: look for a readme
[04:03] <phenotype_> its kai
[04:03] <FeJaOr> Zindar, so basically it's like upgrades they released every month or what??
[04:03] <phenotype_> www.teamxlink.co.uk
[04:04] <phenotype_> from there
[04:04] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, what type of file was it, a .tar.gz?  a .deb?
[04:04] <phenotype_> i have the .tar.gz
[04:04] <Zindar> fejaor: kind of... see it as "new releases" rather than "upgrades"... but you can upgrade to it
[04:04] <goldfish> tar -xvzf blah.tar.gz
[04:05] <FeJaOr> Zindar, ok...just wondering that
[04:05] <FeJaOr> My mozilla firefox just crashed and I forced it to quit but now I cannot open it cause everytime I tried to open it the starting part shows up but then it quits.....anyone??
[04:05] <phenotype_> you have to compile it, as i see, but i dont know where the command line is
[04:05] <nopea> tritium, is there advantges of the 686 kernal? I thought it would be on by default as most computers are 686 now days
[04:05] <jzaval> phenotype_ , make sure theres not already a package on apt
[04:06] <Zindar> pheno: try to find a package instead.... compiling from source should only be done by developers
[04:06] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, when you went to download it, did you notice that there is a link to a Debian-specific site?  Xebian... http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian
[04:06] <phenotype_> no
[04:06] <Delph> Zindar: ooooooh, not sure about that one.
[04:06] <hypno> FeJaOr: tried logging out of gnome?
[04:06] <phenotype_> is that on the team xlink site?
[04:06] <jzaval> 686 kernel is optimized for 686 processors, nopea, it uses your processor more effeciently
[04:07] <jzaval> im not much of a hardware guy
[04:07] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, the link was, yes.. actually, my mistake, it's a full linux distro based on Debian based for Xbox
[04:07] <phenotype_> ] Brelic[ is that on the team xlink site?
[04:07] <Levander> jzaval: that's basically right about the 686 kernel
[04:07] <hybrid> hello
[04:07] <geneo93> Zindar:  he could use checkinstall
[04:07] <hybrid> i am having serious problems
[04:07] <Levander> uses optimization features introduced in that kernel, also available on subsequent x86 processors
[04:07] <jzaval> whats up, hybrid?
[04:08] <venkman> in oracle, is there a way to return a cursor to a temporary table, such that the information in the temporary table only lasts as long as there's records in the cursor/
[04:08] <Levander> phenotype_: I've had to compile software a couple of times when I didn't find packages for it...
[04:08] <hybrid> i am on breezy and restarted and when i did all i got was cli! roght down to the login.
[04:08] <stevenj> Question to any networking experts---I have firestarter running (auto) and ICMP blocked--shields up finds everything is complete stealth mode---yet I am constantly blocking gnutella connections---I dont have any peer to peer crap installed...any suggestions
[04:09] <hybrid> jzaval: i typed X at the command line and i got some graphicks like it was starting up but would never load up
[04:09] <hybrid> ...
[04:09] <redemption> nickrud: FYI @ newegg.com 80 gig WD SATA HD for 64 bucks. (that's with shipping and 7.250 tax)
[04:09] <jzaval> breezy is less than a month into a 6 month development
[04:09] <Levander> redemption: what's the rpm on that drive?
[04:09] <dcraven> heh
[04:09] <nopea> ok back to my VLC topic... I got it running and playing a VCD but there is no sound... same with an audio CD - anybody else have this?  CD Player is working
[04:09] <hypno> stevenj: go round to those gnutella users houses' and ask them to stop?
[04:09] <redemption> 7200 rpm with 8 MB cache.
[04:09] <hybrid> jzaval: i know
[04:09] <redemption> nickrud: 7200 rpm with 8 MB cache.
[04:09] <hybrid> :D
[04:10] <Levander> redemption: don't they have 10,000 rpm drives out now?
[04:10] <nickrud> redemption, this motherboard doesn't accept more than 256M
[04:10] <hypno> nopea: install vlc-esd
[04:10] <jzaval> you can't expect breezy to work at this stage, hybrid, the people currently using breezy are the ones who can figure these things out and then fix them and then report them
[04:10] <jzaval> haha
[04:10] <Levander> and really, the ppl using breezy are the ones developing it
[04:10] <redemption> nickrud:... ouch. You have my sympathy my friend.
[04:10] <stevenj> hypno, but how does anyone even see me....maybe it was when I tested peer to peer blocking using shields up?
[04:10] <hybrid> jzaval: yea but i was hoping it was already fixed :P
[04:10] <jzaval> hoary for now, hybrid
[04:10] <jzaval> :-D
[04:11] <redemption> levander: they do, but I was trying to upgrade my system with an emphasis on quietness.
[04:11] <Levander> redemption: i see
[04:11] <hybrid> well ty
[04:11] <nopea> hypno, what is that? shouldnt it already be there? (sorry I am full of silly questions my 4 year old boy is an influance ;))
[04:11] <hypno> stevenj: doubt it, perhaps just trying random ip's in a range. wouldn't worry about it to be honest, it's harmless.
[04:11] <Levander> redemption: where'd you see that the 7200 rpm drives are quieter?
[04:11] <hypno> nopea: ubuntu uses the esd sound subsystem by default. vlc-esd is the plugin for vlc to talk to esd
[04:12] <stevenj> hypno, I know...but you would think people had better things do
[04:12] <nopea> hyno, cheers!
[04:12] <hypno> stevenj: doubt they are even aware of it
[04:12] <stevenj> hypno, hmm
[04:12] <redemption> ...I don't know.  I think I read it like a year or two ago.  Or I may have made it up completely thinking I remembered it.  One other thing about 7200 vs. 10000 is 7200 is cheaper generally.
[04:12] <jzaval> you would think people have better things to do than spam gnaa stuff in here too,
[04:13] <stevenj> jzaval, who is spamming
[04:13] <Levander> redemption: well, it does make sense, but sometimes new technology is better in more ways than one. Is possible that it's faster and quieter.
[04:13] <jbAU> anyone have any experience with meta/virtual packages?  I want to create some