[00:01] <Turl> hi all there
[00:01] <Turl> I noticed sth odd
[00:02] <Turl> nautilus sometimes can't delete some files - and if that happens the progress bar stays there forever and you cannot cancel it
[00:05] <lastelement0_> has anyone been having issues getting vbox to work?
[00:06] <Turl> lastelement0_, not here at least
[00:06] <Turl> I installed the latest deb from vBox's repos
[00:07] <lastelement0_> hmm
[00:07] <lastelement0_> well the latest they have is for hardy...should that still work?
[00:07] <Turl> the precompiled non-free one for hardy, that is
[00:08] <piquadrat> Hi! Is there some way to steer the attention of the devs to a certain bug? I'm experiencing the bug descriped in launchpad #286285, which is quite serious IMHO. There does not seem to be any activity on the bug, however
[00:09] <DigitalFiz> anyone here try to install openoffice3?
[00:09] <lastelement0_> DigitalFiz yes i have
[00:10] <chadeldridge> evenin .. seems that I am in need of help for once.  Anyone else having a resume from standby issue (white screen) ?
[00:10] <lastelement0_> and successfully as well
[00:10] <DigitalFiz> lastelement0_, it keeps failing on me when its installing the dict package saying it requires openoffice3
[00:11] <DigitalFiz> when im installing openoffice3...
[00:11] <lastelement0_> DigitalFiz have u been installing the debs 1 by 1?
[00:11] <DigitalFiz> no i used the setup script it provides
[00:11] <chadeldridge> i though OO3 was not done yet
[00:11] <DigitalFiz> OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358
[00:11] <lastelement0_> chadeldridge, it got released this past week i believe
[00:12] <lastelement0_> or the week before
[00:12] <lastelement0_> its just not in the repos
[00:12] <chadeldridge> ahh .. not soon enough to make the 8.10 cut though .. i see
[00:12] <nekostar> is anyone else's fast-user-switcher-applet busted?
[00:12] <DigitalFiz> lastelement0_, how did you install it?
[00:12] <angusthefuzz> piquadrat: The bug seems to have a lot of activity, I will mark it confirmed and assign the appropriate kernel team
[00:13] <lastelement0_> DigitalFiz, in terminal i cd'd into the DEBS folder
[00:13] <lastelement0_> then ran this sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[00:14] <DigitalFiz> ah i found the deb packages
[00:14] <piquadrat> angusthefuzz: cool, thanks. I meant to say _developer_ activity
[00:14] <DigitalFiz> OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz
[00:15] <DigitalFiz> now to wait for another 147mb file to download
[00:16] <magentar> DigitalFiz, there is also a apt repository with ooo pkgs for ubuntu intrepid
[00:20] <Turl> is OOo3 faster than v2?
[00:21] <chadeldridge> Anyone able to help with a resume from standby issue, i had a similar issue in 7.10 that required a few scripts to run in the resume process, but supposedly that was fixed with this kernel.  doesnt seem so fixed to me though. :-(
[00:21] <magentar> Turl, depends, it's quite the same if i remember correctly, startup time might be a few milliseconds lower
[00:33] <biggerfisch> when is the offical release date for 8.10?
[00:34] <Hobbsee> 30th
[00:35] <biggerfisch> ty
[00:38] <scientus> how can i make 1 partition static and have writes go to another drive, like on a livecd?
[00:39] <RyanPrior> Why is PulseAudio 0.9.10 default in Intrepid when that version was released back in March and the most current version is 0.9.13?
[00:40] <Hobbsee> RyanPrior: because there are a lot of bugs it doesn't fix, and a lot of other regressions caused.
[00:40] <RyanPrior> Ah, yikes. They both work the same on my computer as far as I can tell, but then my audio is always buggy.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> and it just wasn't worth switching and trying to track those regressions
[00:41] <Hobbsee> ithink it either works or blows up spectacularly.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> mine's in the "Just Works" category, but I know a lot aren't.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> rather like wifi, really
[00:41] <RyanPrior> Ubuntu audio has been in the "blowing up spectacularly" bracket for the last couple years on my machine.
[00:42] <RyanPrior> A long time ago it worked no problem, but now I constantly fix my audio.
[00:44] <Hobbsee> i had another machine that just hated the world, so would throw up all sorts of audio errors.
[00:44] <Hobbsee> seems very machine-specific
[00:44] <Hobbsee> they never found out why
[00:44] <dli> is ekiga-3.0 going to 8.10?
[00:44] <Hobbsee> dli: no
[00:45] <dli> Hobbsee, it's in gnome-2.24, that's why I ask
[00:46] <Hobbsee> dli: what's there now is pretty much final, and while it is in gnome 2.24, they didnt' release snapshots of it like the rest of gnome, and the code differences were too big to accept it.
[00:49] <philsf> is there any place to vote against pulseaudio being default in ubuntu? :)
[00:51] <dli> Hobbsee, thanks, I think I can backport it
[01:03] <amrik> help
[01:04] <amrik> err help, I am having difficulty getting language SCIM input to work. in particular, sometimes when I press the trigger for SCIM in firefox the toolbar does not pop up and i cannot enter japanese text
[01:07] <centaur5> How can the new network manager be configured to use eth0 for internet instead of usb0 when a cell phone is plugged in?
[01:20] <justdave> so I upgraded to Intrepid last night...
[01:20] <justdave> and for some reason my sound doesn't work when pulseaudio is installed.
[01:20] <justdave> if I uninstall pulseaudio it works fine
[01:20] <justdave> I had the same problem with hardy on this machine
[01:21] <justdave> except with intrepid, Xorg crashes if pulse isn't installed
[01:21] <justdave> (if I do a failsafe session everything works fine, including the audio though)
[01:22] <justdave> there's enough clues that I think there's something in the default session that's trying to setup pulse, and that crashes without it
[01:23] <justdave> but if anyone knows how to troubleshoot pulse, it'd be nice to actually get that working with my sound card instead
[01:24] <amrik> justdave: have you talked to the people in #pulseaudio?
[01:25] <justdave> nope.  Didn't know it existed.  Certainly sounds like a good place to start. :)
[01:29] <kri_> hi i cant connect to my router with the wireless (gui) how do i connect manually from terminal?
[01:29] <kri_> the router and is wireless connection is not encrypted (open)
[01:31] <pwnguin> gah. it seems like half of the time nautilus locks up on startup =(
[01:36] <amrik> err help, I am having difficulty getting language SCIM input to work. in particular, sometimes when I press the trigger for SCIM in firefox the toolbar does not pop up and i cannot enter japanese text
[01:40] <maco> anyone else finding that right-click-on-panel -> new panel results in jack squat happening?
[01:46] <bofh80> if anyone has noticed their sound being lower on full volume than before, i have a via chipset, and eventually found in the sound volume preferences, VIA DXS, VIA DXS 1, VIA DXS 2. and they where the cause
[01:48] <bofh80> maco, i just tried and a panel came up. i have compiz off atm, i find that having compiz turned on when i logg in, causes all kinds of wierd gnome panel problems
[01:48] <bofh80> but loggin on with it off, then enabling it, works just fine
[01:48] <maco> bofh80: no compiz here, it's in a vm. i'm not letting intrepid touch my hardware :P
[01:49] <bofh80> maco, hahahah, not a bad idea, my gnome panel appeared the on right hand side when i did it
[01:49] <bofh80> maco, got all the updates?
[01:50] <wgrant> maco: On bare metal here, with Compiz, it will add a panel to an unused side of the screen.
[01:51] <maco> wgrant: i didnt even get the popup that asks what side it should go on
[01:51] <wgrant> maco: There isn't one.
[01:52] <maco> wgrant: they got rid of that?
[01:52] <wgrant> I wasn't aware that there was one.
[01:52] <maco> i thought it was there...
[01:52] <maco> oh you're righg
[01:53] <maco> hrm
[01:53] <maco> i cant get my intrepid vm to add a panel. the trouble is the bottom of the vm gets cut off by the bottom of my screen, so i want to put a tall, empty panel at the bottom of the intrepid vm's screen so windows stop disappearing off the edge
[01:55] <maco> ooo hey thisll work. it did add one to the bottom...i just couldnt see it because of that cutting off i mentioned. i added another one, it showed up on the right, and then i told it to go to the bottom. now there are two stacked on top of each other on the bottom to keep things from being lost down there, ya!
[01:55] <wgrant> Aha.
[01:56] <bofh80> lmao
[01:56] <maco> if i use compiz on the host machine's "scale" function i can see a small version of the virt-viewer...and yeah, definitely two panels stacked on top of each other
[01:02] <cristobalcolon> is asus eeepc going to be fully supported by intrepid ibex?
[01:03] <maco> bofh80, wgrant: http://imagebin.ca/view/0wArD9.html
[01:05] <Tom_Davis> ibex is working well on the old thinkpad
[01:05] <Tom_Davis> everything, including wireless :)
[01:18] <chadeldridge> anyone able to help troubleshoot an issue with resume from standby ?
[01:19] <xsacha> just had really bad experience on 8.10rc live disc :\
[01:20] <chadeldridge> xsacha: what?
[01:20] <xsacha> first thing i did was go to voice recorder. when i hit record, it was recording 30 seconds for every 1 second
[01:20] <xsacha> i hit stop, saved and had a 20 min audio file from about a minute.
[01:20] <chadeldridge> sound seems to be a huge complaint with a lot of people, including me now as well.
[01:21] <chadeldridge> my media player and vlc operate on a different volume control than my system does ..
[01:21] <xsacha> then i hit 'New' and it created a new window called <Untitled - 4> and the default file was Untitled (3) while the previous file had just been Untitled. not sure where it got 4 or 3 from
[01:22] <xsacha> btw, i went to sound settings where you can hit 'Test' and the test noise seems to be a long beep. is this right?
[01:22] <chadeldridge> xsacha:  yeah
[01:22] <xsacha> why not some jingle?
[01:22] <angusthefuzz> xsacha: do you mind helping us out with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288252
[01:22] <xsacha> k
[01:22] <angusthefuzz> xsacha: the initial poster switched back to hardy and I can not advance the bug without more information
[01:23] <xsacha> anyway, i tried recording again and i got up to 3 minutes recorded (actually 6 seconds), then my panels disappeared and a few seconds later the computer froze
[01:23] <chadeldridge> angusthefuzz: seems to be a lot of issue that relate to alsa or oss .. something is just not right
[01:24] <angusthefuzz> chadeldridge: yes, there does appear to be many problems, the bug reports on alsa are pouring in
[01:25] <chadeldridge> kinda why i am just waiting for the fixes and the go-live, then they will really pour in
[01:25] <chadeldridge> is there any reason to have OSS at this point in the game? cant I just remove it and use alsa only ?
[01:25] <pen> hey, anyone know why sometimes irssi can't join multiple channels? because it either disappeared or messed up
[01:31] <xsacha> angusthefuzz: more information provided
[01:31] <angusthefuzz> thank you xsacha
[01:31] <angusthefuzz> xsacha: can you get us an alsa-info.sh output?
[01:32] <xsacha> ah ok, gotta boot up live disc again. brb
[01:32] <xsacha> i cant get internet on it tho, so gotta d/l script now i guess
[01:32] <angusthefuzz> sorry for the trouble
[01:33] <xsacha> my only source of internet is a wpa2-psk network and the gnome network manager doesnt seem to do those
[01:34] <wgrant> It does...
[01:34] <wgrant> It'd be pretty useless if it didn't.
[01:35] <pen> anyone know how to make vlc the default player for all the format ?
[01:35] <xsacha> when i click add wireless network it only gives none, wep, wpa1/wpa2 as options :\
[01:35] <wgrant> xsacha: So choose WPA2...
[01:35] <pen> but I want to preserve totem because of mozplugger
[01:35] <pen> for browser
[01:36] <pen> so
[01:36] <pen> how do I make vlc the default player on my laptop?
[01:36] <xsacha> wgrant: not the same thing tho. wpa2 doesnt have usernames?
[01:36] <xsacha> need PEAP
[01:36] <wgrant> xsacha: WPA2 Enterprise has usernames.
[01:36] <xsacha> yeah thats what i need
[01:36] <wgrant> Then don't create a new network.
[01:37] <wgrant> Connect to an existing one.
[01:37] <xsacha> right...
[01:37] <chadeldridge> unless i use OSS in my sound settings all i get is static with ALSA on my card
[01:38] <justdave> just for the record, fixed my sound problem with pulse...  had to install padevchooser and pick devices because my sound card apparently has more than one output, and the one pulse was picking by default wasn't hooked up to anything
[01:38] <pen> how do I make vlc the default player on my laptop?
[01:38] <justdave> not sure why that isn't installed by default if you need it to make pulse work
[01:39] <b33r> pen, right click on the file go to properties, open with tab
[01:39] <chadeldridge> justdave: wasnt pulseaudio even buggier than alsa though ?  maybe i should try it to fix this issue
[01:39] <b33r> pen, if you don't see vlc option click on add and select vlc from there
[01:40] <pen> b33r: so you mean i have to set it indiviually?
[01:40] <justdave> chadeldridge: that's what I heard a while back...  but the fact that Ubuntu ships it as the default sound manager these days means it should improve pretty quick I'd imagine
[01:40] <pen> b33r: no other quicker ways?
[01:40] <b33r> all the files with the same extension should open with vlc after you do it with 1 file
[01:41] <pen> b33r: but I want multiple extensions to be set once
[01:41] <chadeldridge> justdave: setting all mine to pulseaudio just produces static when i test .. what did you do to fix yours ?
[01:41] <pen> b33r: like in windows you can do that
[01:41] <b33r> pen, I only know that way besides how many extensions you want 3? 5? not such a hard work to do it :/
[01:42] <justdave> chadeldridge: I leave it set to "Automatic" in the GNOME sound panel
[01:42] <pen> b33r: I don't know, but I think this is easier that way to set them all at once
[01:42] <justdave> I just had to install padevchooser, and pick my sound card from the drop down in the panel
[01:42] <pen> b33r: and update-alternatives don't have the option to set alternatives for the media type
[01:43] <chadeldridge> justdave: yeah automatic is choosing pulse audio it seems if i do alsa i get an error about not being able to capture the device
[01:43] <b33r> pen, sorry I don't know any other ways..
[01:43] <bridie> Anyone got a solution for when Intrepid detects the monitor wrong?  I can't select any higher than 800x600 for my laptop screen and displayconfig-gtk doesn't work in intrepid.
[01:43] <ripps> pen: there is no mechanism to update multiple file extensions at once, submit a feature request with the gnome developers
[01:44] <pen> b33r: like if I want .mov to be opened by vlc but I don't have mov at hand, isn't it annoying to go online and find a mov and download then set it?
[01:44] <RyanPrior> How come Enlightenment isn't in Intrepid?
[01:44] <pen> ripps: where can I submit that? launchpad?
[01:44] <ripps> pen: That'd probably be fine
[01:44] <pen> RyanPrior: probably not permitted...
[01:45] <RyanPrior> pen: It's been in Universe ever since Dapper...
[01:45] <ripps> bridie: have you tried xrandr?
[01:45] <pen> RyanPrior: you mean enlightment?
[01:45] <pen> RyanPrior: btw, in bugs right?
[01:45] <RyanPrior> pen: I mean what I typed.
[01:46] <pen> alright
[01:46] <avis> how do i set a static ip address in intrepid ?
[01:46] <wgrant> RyanPrior: What gives you the idea that it's not there?
[01:46] <wgrant> avis: System->Preferences->Network Connections, edit the connection that you want.
[01:46] <RyanPrior> wgrant: It doesn't show up in the Ubuntu package repo search.
[01:47] <wgrant> RyanPrior: Which?
[01:47] <bridie> ripps: Yep.  Just lists the two available screen resolutions (640x480 and 800x600) and states max is 800x600.  In hardy I had to run displayconfig.gtk and manually specify my monitor as LCD 1024x800
[01:47] <RyanPrior> wgrant: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <wgrant> RyanPrior: e16 still exists fine.
[01:47] <avis> that is network manager, and it doesn't seem to adjust to the defined static ip configuration everytime i try and set it
[01:47] <bridie> displayconfig-gtk rather
[01:47] <wgrant> packages.u.c is not the canonical reference.
[01:47] <chadeldridge> how do you select your device with padevchooser ?
[01:48] <ripps> bridie: That probably means you'll have to do something similar with Intrepid, since it seems either Xorg or Monitor have some bad info on your monitor.
[01:48] <chadeldridge> nm
[01:48] <RyanPrior> wgrant: Ah, I hadn't noticed that there was the new package.
[01:48] <RyanPrior> wgrant: It used to be just "enlightenment".
[01:48] <bridie> ripps: yep - but no-one seems to know if a utility like displayconfig-gtk even exists in intrepid
[01:49] <ripps> !info displayconfig-gtk
[01:49] <wgrant> displayconfig-gtk has been removed.
[01:49] <pen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usability/SpecEnhancedPreferredApps
[01:49] <ripps> bridie: do you have any old versions of xorg.conf in /etc/X11?
[01:49] <pen> seems like someone already propose the idea
[01:49] <wgrant> You can either add a new mode with xrandr every time you start a new session, or configure the new mode in xorg.conf.
[01:49] <pen> but noone has taken notice yet
[01:49] <pen> I think
[01:49] <wgrant> ripps: Bad idea.
[01:49] <wgrant> Bad bad idea.
[01:50] <bridie> ripps: as in pre-upgrade?  did a clean install of intrepid unfortunately.
[01:50] <ripps> wgrant: I just wanted him to copy the monitor section.
[01:50] <wgrant> ripps: Ah.
[01:50] <bridie> wgrant: how would I add a new mode with xrandr?
[01:51] <wgrant> bridie: It's slightly complicated. Probably better to alter xorg.conf for now.
[01:52] <ripps> bridie: xrandr --addmode *output* *width*height*
[01:52] <wgrant> ripps: That will only work if the mode already exists.
[01:52] <wgrant> You'll likely need to --newmode first.
[01:52] <wgrant> Which needs the modeline calculated by 'cvt'
[01:53] <ripps> wgrant: yeah, that's right...
[01:53] <xsacha> angusthefuzz: hey that script didnt work
[01:53] <xsacha> said /bin/bash^M invalid interpreter or something
[01:53] <bridie> OK - will try editing xorg.conf if you're able to give instructions how?
[01:54] <wgrant> bridie: Add, to the Screen section:
[01:54] <wgrant> 	SubSection "Display"
[01:54] <scorch> anyone know how to use the new network manager and connect to a repeater without it screwing up the connection?  (fast, slow, fast, slow, etc..)
[01:54] <wgrant> Hmm.
[01:54] <ripps> bridie: see if you can find a xorg.conf of someone else with your monitor on google. If you do, copy their monitor section and add to your own xorg.conf
[01:54] <wgrant> Actually, its not quite so easy.
[01:55] <justdave> my best success with the automatic monitor detection picking the wrong screen is to set the wrong ones to disabled in xorg.conf
[01:55] <bridie> ripps: It's a laptop and unfortunately I can't find any information.  It's a very linux un-friendly laptop....have to use the VESA drivers as SiS won't release drivers for Mirage 3
[01:55] <wgrant> bridie: See http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5993954&postcount=7 for doing it with xrandr.
[01:55] <wgrant> justdave: We don't have monitors in xorg.conf any more.
[01:55] <justdave> right, have to add an entry for the one it's picking that it shouldn't be and set it for disabled.
[01:56] <justdave> Section "Monitor" Identifier      "TMDS-1" Option          "Ignore"        "True"
[01:56] <justdave> EndSection
[01:56] <justdave> hmm, my paste ate a couple line feeds there
[01:56] <scorch> anyone know how to use the new network manager and connect to a repeater without it screwing up the connection?  (fast, slow, fast, slow, etc..)
[01:56] <ripps> justdave: you need to use a pastebin
[01:57] <wgrant> justdave: Why would we want to disable a monitor?
[01:57] <justdave> ripps: it was only 3 lines
[01:57] <justdave> more than that and I would have.
[01:57] <justdave> wgrant: because there is no monitor on that port, and xorg thinks there is
[01:57] <avis> when i enter <IP_ADDRESS> netmark in network manager, it changes it to "24" disables my internet connection too
[01:58] <bridie> wgrant: Reading that page now, but don't think I'm sufficiently experienced to work it out
[01:59] <ripps> bridie: what's your laptop model, maybe I can find some info
[01:59] <a1len> Hey guys. Anyone else experiencing problems with the new updates?
[01:59] <justdave> in this case, the video card has both an S-video out and a DVI out.  I happen to be using the S-video out.  But the way the card sets it up, it exposes both ports, but one is actually a subset of the other (can't use both at once)
[02:00] <justdave> and xorg always tries to use the DVI, which has a larger default screen size, and I wind up with a bunch of stuff offscreen
[02:00] <wgrant> a1len: Perhaps if you described the problem...
[02:00] <justdave> (it's a Mac Mini hooked up to an older television)
[02:01] <bridie> ripps: It's an Advent 9315, 15.4" monitor, SiS Mirage 3 Graphics adapter (though like I said, drivers are not forthcoming)
[02:01] <a1len> Well, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who was... after the update Ubuntu fails to recognise my wireless card. It's the Atheros, and I already tried the madwifi fix.
[02:02] <gaelfx> are these most recent updates safe?
[02:03] <wgrant> a1len: There is more than one problem in existence. Describing problems helps.
[02:03] <a1len> I was thinking perhaps a source list was no good, so I reinstalled and updated with the default source list, and the same problem occured.
[02:03] <wgrant> a1len: Do you have linux-backports-modules installed?
[02:03] <wgrant> gaelfx: No, we deliberately destroy your system four days before releae.
[02:03] <ripps> bridie: how about I walk you through the xrandr method step by step?
[02:04] <gaelfx> I knew it!
[02:04] <a1len> wgrant: Not unless that installation is part of the original Ubuntu source updates.
[02:04] <a1len> wgrant: I think it is, isn't it?
[02:04] <wgrant> a1len: It isn't. That's the point of it.
[02:05] <a1len> wgrant: Is there a particular source where I can get it from? I is there a deb or something on the net?
[02:05] <ripps> bridie: type "cvt 1024 800" and paste the output here.
[02:05] <wgrant> a1len: It's in the default repositories.
[02:06] <wgrant> linux-backports-modules-intrepid, you'll probably need.
[02:06] <a1len> wgrant: "Linux backports modules" in add/remove, or synaptic?
[02:07] <humbolt> how do I get pulseaudio to run with a negative nice level?
[02:08] <wgrant> a1len: The latter, I suspect.
[02:08] <a1len> wgrant: Thanks. I'll try it and let you know.
[02:10]  * wgrant -> lunch
[02:10] <m0u5e> when using terminal services to connect to a windows box, how do I get out of full-screen mode?
[02:20] <dli> /etc/X11/X !
[02:24] <humbolt> why is it, that when starting pulseaudio by hand the nice level set in daemon.conf is respected and when starting it through pulse-session, it is not?
[02:24] <ripps> humbolt: why are you so concerned with pulseaudio's nice level?
[02:25] <humbolt> because pulse seems to get to less cpu, has dropped samples all the time.
[02:26] <ripps> humbolt: try adding yourself to the pulse-rt user group to give pulseaudio realtime access
[02:26] <humbolt> by the way, I strongly believe it was a very bad idea to rush in pulse in hardy LTS.
[02:26] <ripps> humbolt: so does everybody. But most of the kinks have been worked out now.
[02:27] <maco> humbolt: installing it wasn't the issue. the default "get exclusive access" was.  it should've been configured to share with non-pulse apps
[02:27] <bridie> ripps: Did you see the output I posted?
[02:27] <humbolt> ripps: not sure it these params will be respected, as it seems to make a difference whether pulse is started by me or by /usr/bin/pulse-session
[02:27] <ripps> bridie: no
[02:28] <humbolt> maco: you are right! that is exactly what I thought. Bad idea to take dmix away.
[02:28] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m44455747
[02:28] <dli> you guys missed /usr/bin/Xorg in xserver-xorg
[02:29] <humbolt> so are there any know tweaks that I could do on pulse to make it faster?
[02:30] <ripps> bridie: okay now type "xrandr --newmode 1280x800 66.75 1024 1080 1184 1344  800 803 813 831"
[02:31] <ripps> bridie: btw, did xrandr refer to your monitor as TMDS-1?
[02:31] <maco> humbolt:  you can turn dmix back on if you like.  i blogged it when i found i couldnt get sound from mythtv.
[02:32] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m315c1f4f (xrandr output)
[02:34] <bridie> ripps: that's the output of xrandr following me inputting that command: http://pastebin.com/m515e9bb9
[02:34] <scorch> anyone know how to use the new network manager and connect to a repeater without it screwing up the connection?  (fast, slow, fast, slow, etc..)
[02:35] <wgrant> scorch: What does a repeater have to do with anything?
[02:35] <enki> hello
[02:35] <enki> i just upgraded to 8.10RC and am running into a lot of bugs
[02:35] <ripps> bridie: Hmm, it didn't say. I'll assume it's TMDS-1. Type "xrandr --addmode TMDS-1 1280x800".
[02:35] <scorch> wgrant: everything
[02:36] <maco> scorch: are you sure it's network manager and not the router?  usually a high-jitter connection comes from the router or switches involved...
[02:36] <scorch> wgrant:  it keeps connecting to my repeater and then my router
[02:36] <scorch> maco: works fine in windows
[02:36] <maco> scorch: oh you want to set it to only use a specific WAP when there are multiple available with the same SSID?
[02:36] <scorch> yes
[02:37] <scorch> or repeater rather.....  I have a belkin wireless g range extender in repeater mode
[02:37] <bridie> ripps:  xrandr: cannot find output "TMDS-1"
[02:38] <enki> for one thing, when I try to lock my computer, it crashes
[02:38] <cristobalcolon> where can i configure menus transparency in compiz in intrepid ibex?
[02:39] <tsedreyt> Hey guys, I got a pretty weird problem on my hands.
[02:39] <wgrant> enki: You could give some hardware information...
[02:39] <enki> sorry. its a thinkpad r61
[02:39] <maco> scorch: right click nm -> edit connections -> wireless -> choose your network -> edit -> put the MAC address of the repeater into the BSSID: box
[02:39] <tsedreyt> Yesterday I didn't have sound, now I do, but when I plugin speakers, they don't work....
[02:40] <tsedreyt> (its not the speakers, I've tried multiple)
[02:40] <scorch> maco: ok not the mac address box?
[02:40] <ripps> bridie: hmm... give the output of "xrandr --verbose"
[02:40] <maco> scorch: no, that's for the interface on your machine. BSSID is for the AP
[02:40] <scorch> maco: ah thats what I am doing wrong
[02:41] <scorch> maco:  do i need to reset the connection after doing that?
[02:41] <enki> my thinkfinger pam module requires me to hit enter now after I swipe my finger.  wine won't open up the C Drive anymore.  and when a new window opens (for any program) the graphics get all messed up for a second
[02:41] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m6f1ba819
[02:41] <enki> none of these problems were present with 8.04
[02:41] <maco> scorch: yeah, disconnect and reconnect
[02:41] <CarlFK> I just updated (it has been a few days) and now my wifi doesn't work.  Atheros  AR242x 802.11abg
[02:41] <maco> scorch: im asking the guy next to me because my intrepid is a vm and thusly lacks wifi
[02:41] <CarlFK> is this known issue, or should I report a bug to lp?
[02:41] <wgrant> CarlFK: Install linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[02:42] <enki> also, vmware stopped working
[02:42] <scorch> maco:  ok.... ill try it..
[02:42] <wgrant> We reverted from ath5k due to lots of regressions, I believe.
[02:42] <maco> enki: rebuild your vmware kernel module.  you always have to do that after kernel update
[02:42] <scorch> maco: is there anywhere I can test my connection for awhile and see if it continues to fluxtuate?  or just download something in update manager?
[02:43] <CarlFK> wgrant: yeah, ath5k didn't seem rock solid to me - lots of chatter in syslog
[02:43] <maco> scorch: sure, work on seeding ubuntu torrents :P
[02:43] <enki> yeah, i just uninstalled it to try to fix the other problems
[02:43] <ripps> bridie: try "xrandr --addmode default 1280x800"
[02:43] <enki> i do notice that my wifi/bluetooth indictator lights are working now (they weren't flashing in 8.04)
[02:43] <scorch> maco:  lol, true, thanks
[02:43] <maco> CarlFK: it works for some people and breaks things horribly for other people, while the default in intrepid does that but reverses which group gets which effect...i think....based on reading mailing lists
[02:43] <scorch> maco: u got a link for a ubuntu torrent so I can do that
[02:44] <enki> the big problem is the crashing after I try to log off. lock, shutdown and reboot work fine
[02:44] <maco> enki: does it happen if you rather-forcibly logoff (by which i mean ctrl+alt+bksp) too?
[02:44] <maco> scorch: http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ some in there
[02:45] <enki> i dont know, ive only tried the gnome log off
[02:45] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m23fcd05d
[02:45] <enki> it keeps going in an endless loop of logoff. kind of hard to describe.
[02:46] <ripps> bridie: you should now be able to change the resolution in System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. Hang on and I'll give you a script so that this can all be done at startup.
[02:47] <bridie> ripps: when I change in screen resolution and press apply, nothing happens.
[02:48] <bridie> ripps: If I change it to 640x480 and hit apply, it does go smaller though.  changing to 1024x800 then close and re-open and it's back on 800x600
[02:49] <ripps> bridie: Try "xrandr --output default --mode 1280x800".
[02:50] <maco> quick poll:  any of you think the wallpaper looks more like a human skull than a goat with big horns?
[02:50] <maco> someone reported a bug saying that the wallpaper shouldn't be a picture of a skull because it's morbid, and i'm confused
[02:51] <ripps> bridie: Here's the script I came up with: http://pastebin.com/m70b8c2e0
[02:51] <enki> where should I look to find the error?
[02:51] <bridie> ripps: returns this: xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed.  I don't know if I ever got 1280x800 working in hardy though, think the max I could get was 1024x768 - could that be the problem?
[02:53] <ripps> bridie: Yeah... except we need to change all the information to adapt to that number
[02:54] <ripps> okay, give me "cvt 1024 768" and I'll give you an updated script
[02:55] <bridie> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m532c1508
[02:56] <scorch> maco: seems to be working... thanks....  seeding now
[02:57] <scorch> if i have rc, when final comes out, will my system automaticly update through update manager
[02:57] <scorch> ?
[02:57] <ripps> bridie: okay... http://pastebin.com/m4434d714
[02:58] <bridie> ripps: still getting crtc 0 failed
[02:59] <enki> so is there any way to fix these problems, or am I SOL?
[02:59] <ripps> bridie: *sigh*.... My only suggestion now is to install displayconfig-gtk from a hardy package and try it. I couldn't find any existing xorg.conf's. Make sure to backup xorg.conf in case if screws it up.
[03:04] <leftyfb> any reports of the latest kernel update breaking atheros wireless drivers?
[03:05] <maco> leftyfb: it works for some people and breaks things horribly for other people, while the default in intrepid does that but reverses which group gets which effect...i think....based on reading mailing lists
[03:06] <maco> leftyfb: so if you're one of the people where default dont work, install linux-backports-modules
[03:07] <enki> i just noticed in my user.log that there are a lot of pulseaudio errors
[03:07] <enki> none of these messages occured before the upgrade. could that be a cause?
[03:08] <leftyfb> maco: thanks, trying now. I actually noticed that on one of the bug reports, but wanted more info before going to install it.
[03:14] <leftyfb> maco: thanks, that fixed it. But now i'm not able to tell people all the hardware works out of the box with no configuring with intrepid on the eeepc 701 anymore :(
[03:14]  * enki sighs
[03:15] <maco> leftyfb: well the options are "work on eeepc" v. "work for everyone else" ...there are only a couple models (one of them's the eeepc) of atheros that work with that driver
[03:15] <leftyfb> you forgot option 3  "work on leftyfb's eeepc"  ;)
[03:16] <maco> i thought that was part of option 0? and what happened to option 2? did we skip that one?
[03:16] <leftyfb> i get it though
[03:17] <enki> how about option B0: Help enki figure out why intrepid is breaking his thinkpad's ubuntu
[03:18] <petererer> it's not
[03:18] <petererer> your thinkpad is breaking intrepid
[03:19] <enki> hah
[03:19] <enki> i had no problems with anything under hardy, suddenly things are not working right
[03:20] <maco> yeah, thats fairly common, really
[03:20] <enki> even with 5 days to go before release?
[03:20]  * DigitalFiz licks leftyfb
[03:21] <leftyfb> hi Fiz
[03:21] <DigitalFiz> sup you following me? :P
[03:21] <frosterrj> hi all...Just installed the RC on Aspire One.  No love for the wireless.  Ath_PCI is loaded, manually entered connection in network connections.  No luck so far.  Any pointers?
[03:22] <maco> enki: i dont know if your *specific* issues are known, but i do know that intrepid has a lot of regressions
[03:22] <maco> frosterrj: linux-backports-modules?
[03:22] <maco> enki: suspend is gone for ati and nvidia users is one major one
[03:22] <maco> enki: kernel panics for 802.11n
[03:22] <leftyfb> maco: that's 2 :)
[03:22] <maco> enki: no out-of-the-box tablet support
[03:23] <maco> leftyfb: hm?
[03:23] <frosterrj> maco: not sure.  I didn't do anything special in synaptic - enabled 3rd party.  What do I need in backports?
[03:23] <leftyfb> "there are only a couple models (one of them's the eeepc) of atheros that work with that driver"
[03:23] <maco> leftyfb: i didnt say models of computers, i said models of wireless card. and you were actually the second.
[03:23] <angusthefuzz> maco: cant forget scrolling in nautilus tabs
[03:24] <leftyfb> frosterrj: run in a terminal:   sudo lspci | grep -i net               what model wireless do you have?
[03:25] <leftyfb> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01
[03:25] <frosterrj> found a nast bug in installer - unable to find partitions unless I open gparted, unmount the partition, go back one step to let installer re-find partitions
[03:25] <frosterrj> leftyfb: IIRC, its ath242
[03:25] <leftyfb> ah, that'll explain it
[03:25] <frosterrj> sorry, ar242
[03:25] <leftyfb> install the backports modules like maco suggested... worked for me
[03:26] <frosterrj> which ones?
[03:26] <leftyfb> linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic
[03:26] <frosterrj> ok, brb
[03:27] <Xcerca> does 8.10 use LILO as it's default bootloader ,  i'm running 'update-manager -d' from 8.04 right now and i ise GRUB as the bootloader, i got an alert that LILO is not installed and configured
[03:27] <nekostar> hm
[03:27] <nekostar> X seems to be taking up a LOT more memory....
[03:28] <nekostar> Xcerca thats normal
[03:28] <nekostar> iirc
[03:28] <nekostar> grub is default
[03:28] <Xcerca> after it's installed i wont have to install LILO then ?
[03:29] <Xcerca> i wonder why it has that popup then..
[03:30] <frosterrj> leftyfb: how to add backports repo in synaptic?  Updates has an entry for intrepid backports (unsupported).  Check this one?
[03:30] <leftyfb> frosterrj: sure
[03:30] <leftyfb> although I just write my own sources.list
[03:30] <leftyfb> much cleaner
[03:31] <leftyfb> http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid
[03:33] <Xcerca> is uswing update-manager -d , the best/most common way to update from 8.04 to 8.10 ?   also since i'm doing it now will it take less time on 30 Oct when the real one comes out ?
[03:34] <leftyfb> it'll most certainly take less time then it will on the 30th
[03:34] <Tom_Davis> Xcerca, well, it might take a bit longer because of everyone hitting it, but you'll save time troubleshooting ghosts
[03:35] <jesseboi> anyone experiencing bootup problems on the latest daily?
[03:36] <Tom_Davis> nope, working good on this lappy I am on
[03:36] <Xcerca> o ok, i thought that most of the packages would be updated and thats what i'm downloading..  but then the few that aren't it would just download and install
[03:36] <jesseboi> Where might I find the bootlog so I can help troubleshoot this?
[03:37] <ripps> Xerca: Be prepared to wait over a day for it to download, mine took about a full day.
[03:37] <Tom_Davis> jesseboi, /var/log
[03:37] <Tom_Davis> mine took 2 hours
[03:38] <ripps> Tom_Davis: Either you didn't have alot of packages installed in Hardy, or you just suck.
[03:39] <Tom_Davis> 5mb
[03:40] <frosterrj> leftyfb: backports modules installed.  Whats  needed to get wireless up now?
[03:40] <leftyfb> reboot
[03:43] <ripps> So, does anybody else here have mpd installed?
[03:43] <nekostar> i dont
[03:44] <nekostar> does anyone else notice massive quantities of memory being used?
[03:47] <ripps> Hypothetically speaking, if intrepid had a serious issue, but it couldn't be resolved until after Beginning of November, would they delay Intrepid's release.
[03:48] <nekostar> ripps they have before
[03:48] <danbh_intrepid> ripps: the rc cd IS the release already
[03:48] <nekostar> but not in a while..
[03:48] <nekostar> danbh_intrepid its an rc which != release
[03:48] <leftyfb> that's like saying Obama IS president
[03:49] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[03:49] <ripps> I think there's still too many issues to call this full release. I still can't run some programs still, like mpd and ccsm.
[03:49] <leftyfb> ccsm runs fine for me
[03:49] <Smegzor> ditto
[03:50] <danbh_intrepid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate  .... "In an ideal world, it would be (functionally) identical to the final release."
[03:50] <leftyfb> danbh_intrepid: it's a release candidate .... not the final release
[03:50] <ripps> I can use simple-ccsm, but not ccsm. I keep getting a TypeError: __init__() 2 arguments (3 given)
[03:52] <danbh_intrepid> leftyfb: the point is that hoping for lots of major fixes between rc and final isn't the point.  Ideally, most bugs should be worked out.  At least thats what the docs say.
[03:53] <Smegzor> I installed the latest VirtualBox (the installer for all linuxes) and its broken my network.  Also for some reason, I can't make any changes to my network even as sudo, it always says my network settings are read only!  I don't want to uninstall VirtualBox, so how do I fix my network?  Its a wired network and its lost the DNS settings.  All other settings are present and correct.
[03:54] <Smegzor> The new network interface is completely alien compared to the old one :/
[03:59] <Smegzor> anyone?  I'd quite like my network working again.  No pressure :)
[04:00] <Smegzor> a quick google suggests I have to configure my network by hand as the tool is currently broken
[04:00] <DanaG> Smegzor: is stuff defined in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:01] <danbh_intrepid> Smegzor: whats the new interface that you are using?
[04:01] <DanaG> New one is networkmanager editor.
[04:01] <bazhang> Mac_Taylor, did you join #freenode? to resolve your issue?
[04:01] <Smegzor> I'm in a hardy live cd atm, but its the tool in the preferences menu in intrepid for managing the network
[04:02] <Mac_Taylor> bazhang, its takin care of
[04:02] <Smegzor> no matter what I try, the wired network settings are always read only
[04:03] <Mac_Taylor> why
[04:04] <Smegzor> DanaG: hang on, i'll check
[04:06] <Smegzor> DanaG:  yes and it looks fine to me.  Want me to pastebin it?
[04:07] <Smegzor> http://pastebin.com/d26e2c7e1
[04:09] <danbh_intrepid> there was a bug with NM that prevented you from using /etc/network/interfaces and NM at the same time.  Don't know if it got fixed, delayed, or it was considered a feature, or whatever.
[04:09] <dr_willis> !info vlc
[04:09] <danbh_intrepid> I got slightly confused about it, but I didn't look that hard either
[04:09] <Smegzor> hmm.. so is there a work around?
[04:10] <danbh_intrepid> Smegzor: nuke your interfaces file, except for the first two lines.  The ones concerning lo
[04:10] <Smegzor> ok.  I'll back it up first tho
[04:11] <danbh_intrepid> Smegzor: but then there was a bug about nm not being able to handle static ips.  Again, I don't know the current status of that.
[04:11] <DanaG> I think it should be able to handle static now.
[04:11] <lucax> i dont know if theres any intrepid developer here, but nice job
[04:11] <DanaG> You'll want to _add_ a new wired (or wireless) entry, give it some name, and set the parameters in the network editor -- and then perhaps also set it as a "System Setting".
[04:12] <Smegzor> ok
[04:13] <Smegzor> um..  how do I make the partition writable?  i'm using a live ubuntu atm.
[04:13] <DanaG> You can boot the native one again, right?
[04:14] <DanaG> I don't remember how to chroot in a way that'll let GUI apps run.
[04:14] <Smegzor> actually nevermind.  I'll just save this chat to a memory stick and boot up normally
[04:14] <dli> Smegzor, remount it rw
[04:14] <dli> Smegzor, sudo mount -oremount,rw /dev/hda2
[04:14] <dli> Smegzor, example only
[04:15] <Smegzor> thanks dli.  I'll try that with my drive of course ^^
[04:15] <DanaG> space after -o
[04:15] <Smegzor> yip
[04:15] <jesseboi> does anyone know where I might find that xml feed that shows all the new packages being submitted to Intrepid?   I remember there used to be one but I can't find the URL.
[04:16] <nekostar> is there a place for gnome-panel errors?
[04:16] <nekostar> i'm having a horrid time with the fast-user-switcher-applet
[04:16] <nekostar> i'm having a horrid time with the fast-user-switch-applet *
[04:16] <nekostar> [it wont display, just a small white vertical line.]
[04:23] <lucax> nekostar, i dont have any problems with it
[04:23] <kernco> I'm running Kubuntu 8.10 and DVDs won't play in dragon player.  I've installed kubuntu-restricted-extras.  I also installed totem and ubuntu-restricted-extras, and that won't play DVDs either.
[04:23] <lucax> try updating
[04:23] <nekostar> i'm u pdated
[04:24] <danbh_intrepid> kernco: are they encrypted?
[04:24] <lucax> nekostar, mmmmmmmmm .config .gconf search there for fast user switch conf files and delete them
[04:25] <CjMaster> !hi
[04:25] <dr_willis> kernco,  did ya install the dcss stuff from medibuntu?
[04:25] <kernco> danbh_intrepid: They're movies bought from the store
[04:25] <DanaG> what is dragon player?
[04:25] <dr_willis> !dvd
[04:25] <dr_willis> Hmm
[04:25] <nekostar> lucax yeah making a new user gonna give it a try
[04:25] <dr_willis> !medibuntu
[04:26] <kernco> DanaG: Dragon player is the default video player in KDE 4
[04:26] <danbh_intrepid> kernco: see the medibuntu fact above ^
[04:26] <lucax> nekostar, i dont know, it could work... maybe u had problems because some old settings... i did a dist update and didnt have any issue though
[04:27] <nekostar> it was working
[04:27] <nekostar> we'll see
[04:27] <nekostar> i was just thinking everyone had it busted, and was ignoring it for a couple days
[04:27] <nekostar> but i got tired of that ~_^
[04:28] <Shakedown> I remember reading that the ATI proprietary driver isn't supported in the new release of Xorg that comes with 8.10? Is this true...will I have to use the opensource ATI driver if I upgrade to 8.10 ?
[04:29] <Smegzor> danbh_intrepid: Thanks for your help.  Nuking all but the first two lines of my interfaces file  got my network working again :D
[04:30] <danbh_intrepid> np
[04:31] <z0r> Shakedown: i'm wondering the same thing. I've read reports of people getting fglrx working in intrepid, but i'm not sure if you still need to downgrade X
[04:31] <kernco> ok, installed libdvdcss2 from medibuntu and everything works now, thanks guys
[04:31] <Shakedown> Well I might end up staying with 8.04 for a while then
[04:32] <z0r> Shakedown: these guys seem to have it working: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6031019#post6031019
[04:32] <Shakedown> Well, my main concern is getting the most out of my graphics card AND dual monitoring
[04:34] <nekostar> o wow
[04:34] <Cycom> hey, quick question about the fglrx driver: is there any way to get video to playback without all that black flickering stuff?
[04:34] <z0r> Cycom: you have fglrx working in intrepid?
[04:35] <nekostar> lucax um .. apparently there's a setting somewhere that lets you disable it and apparently i had it clicked. possibly the ubuntu-tweak bit... which is how i found how to fix it :D hehe than
[04:35] <nekostar> s/than/thanks
[04:35] <Cycom> z0r: I did a few days ago, but went back to radeon...
[04:35] <z0r> Cycom: just because of the flickering?
[04:35] <nekostar> wow
[04:35] <nekostar> ok
[04:35] <z0r> i haven't got it working at all yet
[04:35] <nekostar> i think this is good
[04:35] <nekostar> i'm not installing anything new for 2 months >_>
[04:35] <nekostar> shoot i'm gonna take an image of this bad boy :D
[04:36] <Cycom> z0r: yeah, because all I care about the 3d for is wobbly windows :)
[04:36]  * nekostar sighs
[04:36] <nekostar> ok well now gotta start the lappy now that i got all my settings copaceptic
[04:36] <z0r> Cycom: :) I'd be using compiz if it worked with blender as well (it doesn't in hardy)
[04:37] <lucax> nekostar, u got it working then?
[04:37] <Cycom> z0r: I think it did with radeon, but not sure.
[04:37] <nekostar> lucax yeah
[04:37] <z0r> Cycom: so did you have to downgrade x to 7.3?
[04:37] <Cycom> z0r: nope
[04:37] <Cycom> hang on brb
[04:37] <nekostar> if someone wants to donate an ati card to the cause i'll test that >_>
[04:38] <nekostar> oh hey
[04:38] <nekostar> in yall's opinion(s) what's the best app to record desktop vid?
[04:38] <nekostar> i like this setup so much i wanna record it
[04:39] <dulak> gtk-recordmydesktop
[04:39] <maco> Shakedown: neither nvidia nor ati has updated to the new Xorg, and even if you get it working, kiss suspend goodby
[04:39] <maco> *goodbye
[04:41] <maco> Shakedown: er, sorry, i'm misinformed
[04:41] <z0r> Cycom: oh yeah, have you tried using an X sink (instead of Xv) for your video?
[04:41] <crimsun> Shakedown: rather, for 8.10, both nvidia and fglrx have updated to the new X server abi, but those new drivers break resume.
[04:42] <maco> and using a version of the drivers that works with resume can't work with the new X abi
[04:42] <crimsun> correct.
[04:42] <nekostar> dulak i noticed that one tends to drop frames even recording directly.. anything else work better?
[04:42] <dulak> that one drops the least frames of all the ones I tested
[04:43] <maco> ok so i shouldve said "haven't updated an actually-works-right version of the driver to the new X" :P
[04:43] <nekostar> dulak perfect, thanx
[04:43] <FFForever> is there a blank ui version of ubuntu (one with all packages but a wm?)
[04:44] <crimsun> not one supported by Canonical
[04:44] <maco> FFForever: um, you can do gui-less with the server disk, but that's about it
[04:45] <DanaG> Mmm, even better is the situation with cards needing nvidia 96 or 71 drivers.
[04:46] <FFForever> maco but then i am stuck with all the server setup stuff right?
[04:46]  * DanaG ♥ closed-source.  Not.
[04:47] <maco> FFForever: server kernel, but you get to choose whether or not SSH server, LAMP, etc. are installed
[04:47] <FFForever> what is different from the server kernel and the main kernel?
[04:47] <DanaG> On my laptop that uses nvidia 177, resume still works.
[04:48] <DanaG> It's just the nvidia 96 one that's totally broken.
[04:48] <maco> FFForever: might need to chroot in and install the -generic kernel before rebooting though because if it's an old cpu, it won't have PAE which the server kernel assumes (because server-grade hardware has it)
[04:48] <maco> FFForever: assuming PAE means the server kernel will panic on old hardware
[04:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what benefits are there to using a 64-bit install?
[04:48] <DigitalFiz> who was it that i was talking to about openoffice3 earlier? having issues wanna get some advice
[04:48] <maco> DanaG: support for >= 4GB memory
[04:49] <DanaG> When I get my next laptop, it'll be 64-bit; current one is 32-bit CPU.
[04:49] <DanaG> Just the memory, or also other things?
[04:49] <maco> DanaG: negligible performance gains
[04:49] <FFForever> :/
[04:49] <maco> DanaG: more memory will be used because pointers are double the size with 64bit
[04:50] <shirish> hi all, I have installed localepurge and its working fine. I just want to know in how many languages has a certain application has been translated, any way to know that?
[04:50] <DanaG> I'll be getting it with exactly 4 gigs of RAM, plus either 256 or 512 megs of video RAM (I don't remember which).
[04:50] <maco> DanaG: if you have PAE, 32bit may see all 4.  if you don't, it almost certainly won't see al 4.
[04:51] <maco> you'll have about 3.2G recognized
[04:52] <shirish> another question is where or how does one know under which license is some software?
[04:52] <DanaG> Current one only has 2.5 gigs anyway.
[04:52] <DanaG> ... and right now, that one's out of commission due to decapitation -- the LCD completely died, so I just went ahead and removed the whole lid assembly just for the heck of it.
[04:53] <DanaG> Thus, I "decapitated" the laptop.  It's truly headless... just in time for Halloween.  =þ
[04:53] <DanaG> I can't quite tell whether that's funny, or lame.
[04:53] <DanaG> =þ
[04:53] <Veinor> Gedit is using 100% of my CPU right now.
[04:53] <Veinor> Doing nothing.
[04:54] <crimsun> DanaG: better memory management, generally, and more gp registers.  And faster TLB, IOMMU, and L* caches.
[04:54] <DigitalFiz> well obviously its doing something :P
[04:54] <amrik> Veinor: find the pid of gedit, and then run strace -f
[04:55] <amrik> Veinor: err strace -p
[04:55] <maco> DanaG: those result in performance gains, but in my experience...well, this laptop doesn't seem any faster than the old one. this one's 2GHz 64bit, old was 1.6GHz 32bit
[04:55] <Veinor> OK.
[04:55] <maco> don't expect it to suddenly be super-fast
[04:56] <shirish> hi all, I have installed localepurge and its working fine. I just want to know in how many languages has a certain application has been translated, any way to know that?
[04:56] <DanaG> Current one is 1.83GHz Yonah (Core Duo T2400); new one will be 2.4GHz Montevina-era (Core 2 Duo P8600).
[04:56] <Veinor> What the.
[04:56] <Veinor> This only happens when I use a certain icon set.
[04:57] <DanaG> And I'll be going from a GeForce Go 7600 to an ATI HD3650 (or rather, FireGL V5700).
[04:57] <Veinor> I ran strace -p and five lines kept showing up over and over again.
[04:57] <maco> i dont *think* it affects the graphics card
[04:58] <Veinor> ah, found the bug
[05:07] <telexicon> exiting a session on VT1 causes a switch to VT7 if Xorg is started, sometimes switching to VT1 from X switches right back to VT7 (x), whats up with this strange behavior?
[05:09] <dr_willis> I noticed that happening the other day also telexicon
[05:09] <ac13> hey, I've noticed that the graphics are laggy whenever a large part of the screen refreshes (i.e. scrolling in firefox or fullscreen videos or games). small windows are not a problem. this is a new problem that cropped up after I "updated" to 8.10 rc, there was no problem before with 8.04. anyone know why that could be?
[05:10] <dr_willis> perhaps compiz got reenabled
[05:10] <ac13> no, I don't have any graphics card
[05:10] <ac13> well I do but it's broken
[05:11] <ac13> system -> preferences -> appearance -> visual effects is set to none
[05:11] <telexicon> ac13, what card do you have?
[05:11] <DanaG> One weird thing I've had happen a few times lately:
[05:11] <DanaG> I'll log into gnome, then vt-switch to TTY1 and log in.
[05:12] <ac13> telexicon: nvidia geforce 8400m gs, but it's broken
[05:12] <DanaG> Then once I log out and vt-switch back to Xorg, my keyboard will be broken.
[05:12] <ac13> telexicon: I think it's broken anyways. xorg.conf says that I'm using vesa drivers, as far as I know
[05:12] <telexicon> ac13, what do you mean its broken?
[05:12] <DanaG> Probably that crappy substrate issue.
[05:12] <DanaG> M implies laptop.
[05:12] <telexicon> oh
[05:12] <ac13> telexicon: typically weird lines appear on the screen, even during bios boot and stuff, and usplash
[05:12] <telexicon> like physically broken?
[05:13] <telexicon> hmm
[05:13] <telexicon> ac13, run this command, glxinfo | grep direct
[05:13] <DanaG> More reason to ♥ nvidia... not.
[05:13] <ac13> telexicon: yeah, I think. can't run windows, can't even display bios correctly (though GRUB) looks right
[05:13] <ac13> direct rendering: yes
[05:13] <DanaG> If I try to do something such as ctrl-c, the X server itself will get the signal and quit.
[05:13] <telexicon> ac13, you'll wanna contact your manufacturer
[05:13] <ac13> (that's the result to "glxinfo | grep direct"
[05:13] <telexicon> ac13, if its still under warranty
[05:13] <ac13> no
[05:13] <ac13> but everything works perfectly
[05:14] <ac13> the problem is that everything was working more perfectly under 8.04 but after upgrade it is not anymore
[05:14] <telexicon> sounds like your graphics card is broken
[05:14] <ac13> telexicon: it is :P
[05:14] <telexicon> so the situation is deteriorating
[05:14] <ac13> telexicon: right now when I scroll in firefox or watch videos in large windows there is very noticable lag. This did not exist in 8.04. The video card was broken in both situations. any ideas?
[05:14] <telexicon> ac13, was 8.04 using the vesa driver?
[05:15] <ac13> telexicon: unfortunately, I don't know. what else could it use?
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, i mean, maybe the video card is getting worse
[05:15] <DanaG> What manufacturer?
[05:15] <ac13> telexicon: ah
[05:15] <ac13> DanaG: nvidia
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, vesa will be very slow no matter what
[05:15] <telexicon> you cant expect good performance from vesa
[05:15] <DanaG> No, I mean the laptop manufacturer.
[05:15] <ac13> dell
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, you'll wanna try either
[05:15] <telexicon> ac13, the nv driver, the nvidia driver or the nouveau driver (experimental)
[05:15] <DanaG> Aah, perhaps the warranty extension for the nvidia issue will apply.
[05:15] <DanaG> Google for dell nvidia warranty.
[05:15] <ac13> DanaG: thanks
[05:16] <ac13> telexicon: I've tried nv driver but it says something about ddc routing tables not found
[05:16] <telexicon> ac13, nv 'works', nvidia driver will get you best performance
[05:17] <ac13> telexicon: I've tried it but it says there are ddc routing tables not found, then it asks me to reconfigure but I can't get further than that, i.e. not even to logon screen
[05:17] <telexicon> ac13, try this
[05:17] <telexicon> ac13, are you comfortable with the shell?
[05:17] <ac13> telexicon: I'll do my best
[05:18] <telexicon> ok
[05:18] <dulak> ac13: are the lines you see at boot straight or diagonal?
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: straight
[05:18] <telexicon> mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/bak.xorg.conf
[05:18] <dulak> ac13: are they white?
[05:18] <telexicon> restart gdm
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: they are vertical, and yellow green?
[05:18] <telexicon> and tell us what happens
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: and some other colors I think. grey on the bios boot
[05:18] <DanaG> I had the LCD in my laptop die, rather than the GPU.
[05:18] <ac13> telexicon: how to restart gdm? just type restart gdm?
[05:18] <dulak> ac13: mmmmm, always the same at boot?
[05:18] <telexicon> ac13, logout
[05:18] <ac13> dulak: they might change a bit, not quite sure
[05:18] <DanaG> It eventually gave out entirely.
[05:18] <telexicon> ac13, and it will restart gdm
[05:19] <ac13> ctrl+alt+bksp?
[05:19] <telexicon> no just logout like normal
[05:19] <ac13> oh and the dell diagnostics tool say graphics card has some memory error
[05:19] <telexicon> every time you logout it restarts X
[05:19] <ac13> see you guys after I logout
[05:19] <ac13> what do I look for?
[05:19] <dulak> ac13: I had a very similar problem with an older card, it eventually stopped working for anything better than terminal mode graphics
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, oh wait
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, it'll either work
[05:19] <telexicon> or it wont work
[05:19] <DanaG> Oddly enough, once I entirely removed the LCD and lid assembly, and used it with an external monitor... no longer could I get to the BIOS menu.
[05:19] <ac13> what will work or not work?
[05:19] <telexicon> if it doesnt work, mv /etc/X11/bak.xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:19] <esac> does anybody use vmware workstation? it seems my keys are not working correctly in intrepid and they were in hardy
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, X wont start
[05:19] <telexicon> ac13, or it will
[05:19] <DanaG> I'd hit the hotkey and it'd do nothing.
[05:19] <ac13> telexicon: yes, X will start
[05:19] <ac13> telexicon: I've tried this many times
[05:19] <telexicon> with an empty config?
[05:20] <ac13> oh you want me to backup xorg.conf?
[05:20] <ac13> then start?
[05:20] <telexicon> yeah move it
[05:20] <telexicon> and start X with no config
[05:20] <ac13> okay
[05:20] <telexicon> X can auto-configure itself
[05:20] <telexicon> so lets see what it does
[05:20] <ac13> okay
[05:22] <DanaG> Video cards I've owned or used: S3 Savage (in laptop), 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 PCI, Radeon 7500, Radeon 9800 Pro, GeForce Go 7600.
[05:22] <DanaG> Oh, and this geforce4-is-really-a-2 MX in this spare laptop.
[05:23] <dulak> voodoo3 mmmmm
[05:23] <dulak> brings back memories
[05:23]  * DanaG wonders if it has non-power-of-two texture support.
[05:23]  * DanaG wonders what things would even run on it nowadays.
[05:23] <telexicon> heh
[05:24] <telexicon> i bet theres a project somewhere where people are trying to make an open implementation of glide
[05:24] <DanaG> Last time I tried, it did something odd: xorg log showed getting the real resolution from monitor EDID, and yet xorg only offered 800x600.
[05:24] <nekostar> HM
[05:25] <nekostar> someone really needs to tell the gtk-recordmydesktop ppl about multiple core encoding ~_~
[05:25] <DanaG> However, this was on a very nearly dead motherboard -- it had the odd behavior of only booting (even with PCIe nvidia card as boot device) if I also had the 3dfx card present.
[05:26] <ac13> hi, I'm back again. it didn't work
[05:26] <telexicon> didnt start at all?
[05:26] <ac13> no, I think it tried to use nv driver and failed
[05:26] <telexicon> pastebin /var/log/Xorg.log.0.old
[05:26] <ac13> said something about ddc routing table and some error nv(0) or something like htat
[05:26] <telexicon> or whichever
[05:27] <DanaG> !nouveau
[05:27] <telexicon> yeah
[05:27] <telexicon> ac13, might wanna try that
[05:27] <telexicon> although you have a newer card
[05:27] <DanaG> RAOF: heh, perhaps you should change your IRC name so that doesn't trigger a ping.... or make it case-sensitive.
[05:27] <telexicon> dunno how well it'll work
[05:27] <DanaG> =þ
[05:30] <ac13> here is Xorg.log.0.old: http://pastebin.com/m16697604
[05:30]  * DanaG wonders how well an HD3650 will work.
[05:30] <DanaG> I won't care whether it's open or closed source driver, as long as it works.  If I need 2D-only for a while, then fine, as long as suspend and resume works.
[05:31] <telexicon> ac13, what happens when you use the nvidia driver?
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: it gives me an error
[05:31] <telexicon> same error?
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: I can do it again and write down the error, but then X doesn't start and I restart
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: I think it's the same error eacht ime
[05:31] <DanaG> Perhaps that part of the GPU is actually dead.
[05:31] <telexicon> ok
[05:31] <ac13> telexicon: something about ddc routing tables not found
[05:31] <telexicon> hold on
[05:31] <DanaG> The monitor-detection part.
[05:31] <telexicon> yeah thats possible
[05:32] <telexicon> your card definitely is broken
[05:32] <ac13> yeah, I'm pretty sure
[05:32] <ac13> but something was working better under hardy 8.04 yesterday, I just don't know what
[05:32] <telexicon> do you have framebuffer setup?
[05:33] <telexicon> (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[05:33] <telexicon> didnt framebuffer cause problems with nvidia stuff?
[05:33] <ac13> there is no framebuffer set up
[05:33] <telexicon> hm ok
[05:33] <ac13> should there be a framebuffer?
[05:33] <telexicon> no, its not by default
[05:33] <DanaG> I wonder if nvidiafb would work...
[05:33] <DanaG> Probably breaks suspend, anyway.
[05:34] <ac13> DanaG: since when did suspend work properly?
[05:34] <telexicon> do you know if nouveau can suspend/resume properly yet?
[05:35] <ripps> Well I finally got mpd and ccsm working. And I got Firefox working 3x better by enabling the Workaround plugin in ccsm. So, I'm pretty happy right now.
[05:35] <ac13> DanaG: what's nvidiafb?
[05:36] <telexicon> ac13, framebuffer for nvidia cards
[05:36] <Mr_Polite> is empathy the default IM client in 8.10?
[05:36] <telexicon> i hope not
[05:36] <Mr_Polite> me too, hate it
[05:36] <ac13> how would I try to use nvidiafb? though I think some of the video memory is fried or something anyways
[05:36] <Mr_Polite> its a usability joke
[05:36] <dr_willis> It is not the default
[05:37] <ac13> otoh, pulse was the default. and pulse broke itself on 8.10 rc upgrade as well
[05:37] <Mr_Polite> dr_willis: thanks
[05:37] <telexicon> ac13, im pretty sure at the least using nvidiafb would cause more problems
[05:37] <ac13> telexicon: okay. well it's not too big of a deal. just things get laggy and lots of cpu get used up
[05:37] <ac13> telexicon: (i.e. with music playing if I scroll in firefox the music skips. nothing like this happened in hardy but firefox scroll was also smooth)
[05:38] <telexicon> ac13, yeah, vesa is slow
[05:39] <telexicon> ac13, do you want to try nouveau?
[05:39] <DanaG> How about fbdev on top of nvidiafb?
[05:39] <telexicon> DanaG, hmm, thats an idea
[05:39] <DanaG> Might as well give nouveau a try first, though.,
[05:39] <DanaG> Can't unload nvidiafb once you load it -- you have to reboot to unload it.
[05:39] <ac13> will it work with fried video card?
[05:39] <telexicon> ac13, dunno
[05:39] <ac13> noveau isn't in package manager?
[05:39] <telexicon> thats why we try
[05:39] <telexicon> yeah it isnt
[05:40] <ac13> thanks for info on the extended warranty though. I hope there is one, because it broke like 1 month after warranty ended.
[05:40] <DanaG> Click the link to the archive in that !nouveau link.
[05:40] <telexicon> ac13, add this to your sources.list
[05:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another random reason I dislike nvidia: they don't support laptops.
[05:40] <telexicon> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/raof/ubuntu intrepid main
[05:40] <DanaG> In fact, Vista didn't even have ANY driver for my video card out of the box.
[05:40] <telexicon> DanaG, huh
[05:41] <telexicon> DanaG, surely it'd drop to vesa no?
[05:41] <dr_willis> It did on my laptop
[05:41] <esac> i thought empathy was supposed to be in intrepid instead of pidgin ?
[05:41] <DanaG> Yeah, that's what I meant.
[05:41] <telexicon> k
[05:41] <DanaG> I consider that not a real driver.
[05:41] <telexicon> heh
[05:41] <dr_willis> esac,  not that i am aware of. its not installed by default
[05:41] <ac13> actually Vista dies when I try to start my comp. that's why I switched to linux full time
[05:41] <dr_willis> esac,  its in the repos.
[05:41] <telexicon> ac13, once you add that repo
[05:41] <telexicon> ac13, install um
[05:42] <DanaG> When Vista was in beta, I had to tell it I had a desktop 7300.... because they didn't even have the _desktop_ 7600 supported.
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, you'll have to upgrade libdrm2
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, and install the nouveau driver components
[05:42] <DanaG> And I ran into this lovely bug:
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[05:42] <DanaG> *close lid*    *open lid*     *nvlddmkm.sys crashes and restarts*
[05:42] <DanaG> *close lid*    *open lid*     *nvlddmkm.sys crashes and restarts*
[05:42] <telexicon> ac13, linux-nouveau-modules-KERNELVERSION
[05:42] <DanaG> They fixed it after a while.
[05:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for nouveau you need to sudo module-assistant auto-install drm-modules-source
[05:43] <telexicon> theres a bunch of little quirks in intrepid :(
[05:43] <telexicon> if i close my lid and open it, my screen stays blanked
[05:43] <dr_willis> and proberly will be for 6 months telexicon  :)
[05:43] <telexicon> i lost the ability to change the brightness of my monitor using the keys on my laptop
[05:43] <telexicon> VTs switch back and forth strangely
[05:44] <telexicon> im not even going to bother tinkering with suspend/resume
[05:44] <telexicon> and flash 10 crashes Xorg
[05:44] <dr_willis> suspend/resume finally WORKS for me under 8.10
[05:44] <ac13> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau:
[05:44] <ac13>  Depends: linux-nouveau-modules  but it is not installable
[05:44] <telexicon> ac13, yeah, you have to install the other one first
[05:44] <telexicon> ac13, apt-get install drm-modules-source
[05:45] <ac13> ah, okay
[05:45] <telexicon> ac13, module-assistant auto-install drm-modules-source
[05:45] <telexicon> ac13, if you dont have module-assistant, apt-get install module-assistant
[05:45] <telexicon> DanaG, why doesnt it just use dkms?
[05:46] <DanaG> Not my repo; you'd have to ask the repo owner (don't wanna' repeat the name; it's obvious, and it's probably annoying to get pinged over and over.)
[05:46] <DanaG> s/ping/nickbeep/
[05:47] <DanaG> That term works, too.
[05:49] <ac13> telexicon: noveau is installed. now change "vesa" to "nouveau" in xorg.conf?
[05:49] <telexicon> ac13, all 3 packages?
[05:49] <telexicon> and the upgraded libdrm2?
[05:49] <telexicon> well first test
[05:49] <telexicon> ac13, modprobe nouveau
[05:49] <ac13> modprobe nouveau
[05:49] <ac13> WARNING: Error inserting drm (/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/updates/nouveau/drm.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:49] <ac13> FATAL: Error inserting nouveau (/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/updates/nouveau/nouveau.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:50] <ac13> sudo modprobe nouveau does nothing
[05:50] <Cycom> z0r: btw, yes I have, but it's slow
[05:50] <Cycom> z0r: used xsink that is instead of Xv
[05:50] <DanaG> try sudo depmod?
[05:50] <telexicon> ac13, check tail dmesg
[05:50] <ac13> ?
[05:50] <telexicon> ac13, dmesg | tail
[05:50] <Cycom> with Radeon I see no issues as long as I set AccelMethod to EXA
[05:50] <telexicon> are there messages about nouveau?
[05:51] <ac13> dmesg | tail
[05:51] <ac13> [  673.672102] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1517.676102] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 22500 nsec
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.119284] Symbol init_mm is marked as UNUSED, however this module is using it.
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.119299] This symbol will go away in the future.
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.119305] Please evalute if this is the right api to use and if it really is, submit a report the linux kernel mailinglist together with submitting your code for inclusion.
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.150759] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163530] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163542] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163705] [drm] Detected an NV50 generation card (0x086700a2)
[05:51] <ac13> [ 1540.163709] [drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.11  on minor 0
[05:51] <ac13> sorry about paste
[05:51] <telexicon> ok
[05:51] <telexicon> so it loaded properly
[05:51] <telexicon> yes, change vesa to nouveau in xorg
[05:51] <telexicon> and restart
[05:51] <ac13> restart completely
[05:51] <ac13> ?
[05:51] <telexicon> logout
[05:51] <telexicon> restart X
[05:53] <esac> hi all using intel 4965 card on 802.11n network. i switched to backports per the release notes. i am using remote desktop and i am noticing it freezing for 1 second here or there. any ideas?
[05:55] <ac13> noveau doesn't work: it gives me three errors. (1) No known BIOS signature found. (2) 1393: no valid modes. (3) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[05:56] <telexicon> yeah
[05:56] <telexicon> your card is borked
[05:56] <ac13> okay
[05:56] <telexicon> it probably couldnt read the DDC stuff either
[05:56] <dli> ac13, nouveau still under heavy development :(
[05:56] <telexicon> thats for auto-configuring monitor resolutions modes
[05:56] <ac13> dli: it's probably my card
[05:56] <Flynsarmy> There were alot of issues with pulseaudio in hardy. have they been fixed in ibex?
[05:56] <telexicon> dli, his card doesnt work with nv or nvidia either
[05:56] <ac13> I was just wondering how the video worked better in Hardy than INtrepid
[05:56] <dli> ac13, then, try to bug nouveau team, maybe, they can help you debug
[05:57] <ac13> dli: nah, I'm pretty sure my video card is dead
[05:57] <ac13> dli: thanks though
[05:57] <ac13> in hardy no lag in firefox scroll or fullscreen video, now in intrepid major lag
[05:57] <ac13> but it's no big deal if you can't fix it. I can live without it
[05:58] <Flynsarmy> ac13: lag in ff scroll, is that referring to when something is fading in or out at the same?
[05:59] <ac13> Flynsarmy: no there is lag whenever anything refreshes a large part of the screen, i.e. scrolling in firefox, dragging windows around, fullscreen videos/games, etc.
[05:59] <Flynsarmy> I read about hardware acceleration for video in intrepid for drivers other than nvidia. do the open source nvidia ones have it?
[06:00] <telexicon> well thats lolful
[06:02] <ac13> how would I set up a framebuffer (and what good does that do?)
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> been through a couple kernel revisions since my last restart, i should probably do that
[06:04] <DanaG> nv can't even do video playback properly... it inverts SOME of the color channels.
[06:05] <DanaG> But only two of the three.
[06:05] <DanaG> =þ
[06:05] <dli> DanaG, nv never works on video for some cards, best to wait for nouveau, or buy an old ati card
[06:05] <DanaG> ac13: you'd have to switch xorg.conf to use fbdev driver, and then sudo modprobe nvidiafb
[06:05] <DanaG> This is a spare laptop, so it's not my main machine.
[06:05] <nekostar> wow
[06:06] <nekostar> quit hating the nvidia
[06:06] <ac13> DanaG: fbdev driver?
[06:06] <DanaG> NV17 in a laptop == can't replace it.
[06:06] <DanaG> Newer laptop with Go 7600 has an entirely nonfunctional (and now in fact removed!) LCD.
[06:06] <dli> DanaG, see, have to accept no matter how life treats you
[06:06] <DanaG> The biggest gripe for me with nv, though, is nonworking resume from suspend.
[06:07] <DanaG> Well, at least I can joke about how I "decapitated" the other laptop.  Now it's truly headless.... just in time for Halloween.  Muhahah.
[06:07] <crimsun> nv or nvidia?  the former works for me; the latter results in nasty kernel stomping and freezes.
[06:07] <DanaG> nv.
[06:07] <crimsun> hmm, are you using any hal-info quirks?
[06:07] <DanaG> Nope.
[06:07] <crimsun> you probably need the s3 and vbemode ones.
[06:07] <DanaG> s3_bios, or s3_mode?
[06:08] <crimsun> perhaps both
[06:08] <DanaG> I'll have to boot without nvidiafb first.
[06:08] <DanaG> I also tried the nv_bios module, but it didn't work.
[06:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, remember that broken acpi_fakekey?
[06:09] <DanaG> I thought of a workaround for the acpi-support scripts:
[06:10] <DanaG> Before calling that each time... first do a setkeycodes e099 $WHATEVER
[06:10] <DanaG> So it registers that one keycode.
[06:13] <Cycom> whoa, what the heck?
[06:13] <Cycom> my terminal doesn't have any lower case p's in the menu items...
[06:14] <DanaG> Huh?
[06:14] <Cycom> I have Hel, Oen, Oen Ta b, Profiles, Inut Methods....
[06:14] <DanaG> =þ
[06:14] <DanaG> That's funn-ay.
[06:14] <Cycom> I KNOW!
[06:14] <Cycom> but weird as heck
[06:14] <Cycom> this is a nearly-fresh install
[06:14] <Cycom> and like typing a p in the terminal works fine
[06:14] <Cycom> it's just in the menus
[06:18] <prometheanfire>  you think ati's drivers are better then nvidia's nowadays?
[06:18] <Cycom> I think the Open Source ATI drivers are pretty decent
[06:18] <Cycom> it's what I'm using.
[06:18] <prometheanfire> newer card?
[06:19] <Cycom> Mobility X1400
[06:19] <Cycom> fglrx has a weird video output bug for me, and nvidia gives me screwey window borders with certain themes
[06:19] <prometheanfire> I might return my 9800 and get a couple 3xxx series cards
[06:20] <Cycom> meh. I think with newer cards you're pretty hosed either way
[06:20] <prometheanfire> awesome
[06:20] <Cycom> don't quote me on that though :)
[06:20] <prometheanfire> I keep on getting a blank screen when x tries to load
[06:21]  * DanaG is just before 6th week of a 10-week + finals-week quarter....
[06:21] <DanaG> and at the end, I'll get myself a new laptop, with an HD3650 (or rather, FireGL V5700).
[06:22] <DanaG> Hopefully, drivers for it will be in a good state by then.  I don't care whether it's the open- or closed-source driver, since what matters to me is that I give my money to a company that _supports_ open-source.
[06:23] <dr_willis> hmm.. that sort of kicks out nvidia and ati dont it.. :)
[06:23] <prometheanfire> amd/ati seems to be moving that way more then nvidia
[06:23] <dr_willis> Theres going to have to be a  lot of work done by ati befor I go back to them.
[06:24] <Cycom> I actually have both an NVidia and an ATI video card for my laptop
[06:24] <Cycom> I'm using the ATI because it works
[06:24] <dli> xf86-video-ati is good enough for me
[06:24] <Cycom> though only with the open-source driver, oddly
[06:24] <Cycom> like 32, everything
[06:24] <Cycom> er... 3d
[06:25] <dr_willis> a laptop with a removeable card?  - thats somthing you keep 'hearing' about. but never seen one.
[06:25] <Cycom> I don't think 3d works in it with VMWare yet, but...
[06:25] <Cycom> dr_willis: removable as in 'tear the laptop down and replace it'
[06:25] <dr_willis> Cycom,  :)
[06:25] <Cycom> dr_willis: and it's only because they offered both as an option in this model, Inspiron E1505
[06:25] <dr_willis> removeable like a human heart is removeable eh?
[06:26] <Cycom> well, put it this way, having done it 4 or 5 times now, I've got it down to about 30 minutes from start to finish.
[06:26] <Cycom> first time was about an hour
[06:26] <dr_willis> and each time you just have a 'few' screws left over. :)
[06:26] <Cycom> you have to remove the keyboard, display, palmrest, etc.
[06:26] <Cycom> nah, I always keep my screws sorted with an egg carton or something
[06:27] <Cycom> the only screw that IS missing is a hard drive screw that fell out long before I actually took the laptop apart.
[06:27] <Cycom> I just haven't bothered to replace it (one is enough ;) )
[06:29] <nekostar> o $h1t!
[06:29] <z0r> Cycom: ooh, we have the same card. That's good to know. I still haven't got mine working with fglrx in intrepid. i'm about to try uninstalling anything to do with it and starting again
[06:29] <nekostar> my interwebs got upgraded!
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: forget fglrx unless you need external display
[06:30] <nekostar> i'm 80% faster both up and down ;)
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: just use radeon.
[06:30] <z0r> Cycom: does that do 3D?
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: wobbly windows and all :)
[06:30] <z0r> !
[06:30] <Cycom> z0r: I dunno about gaming performance, but I can't imagine it's good...
[06:31] <z0r> Cycom: i don't need it for games just now. Just blender
[06:31] <wgrant> Cycom: Won't radeon do external monitors too?
[06:31] <Cycom> z0r: but compiz runs like a dream.  Just remember to add a line to your xorg.conf as follows: under the Section "Device"  with the identifier "Configured Video Device" do this:
[06:31] <Cycom> Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[06:32] <wgrant> That should be the default now...
[06:32] <Cycom> oh, it wasn't a week ago.
[06:32] <Cycom> maybe two.
[06:32] <Cycom> also, external monitor output was borked then too.
[06:32] <Cycom> I'll have to test it again :)
[06:33] <wgrant> Hm, actually, radeon might be stuck on XAA.
[06:33] <wgrant> I forget.
[06:34] <Cycom> It was broken before.
[06:35] <Cycom> then again, less than a week ago my sound was working, then broken, then fixed.
[06:35]  * Cycom shakes head
[06:35] <Cycom> development is moving at a furious pace.
[06:40] <philsf> speaking of external monitor, will intrepid support for two monitors be better thn hardy?
[06:40]  * z0r crosses fingers
[06:41] <Cycom> philsf: dunno
[06:41] <philsf> namely, will it support extended desktop, instead of just cloning screens?
[06:42] <philsf> I didn't try, but I heard in gutsy or feisty that happened, but in hardy the method changed (to, or from xrand, whatever)
[06:43] <Cycom> I think it supports extended desktop, not sure
[06:43] <Cycom> I have to try it on my X1400 once I'm done on the toilet :)
[06:43] <Cycom> laptops are awesome by the way.
[06:44] <dr_willis> Cycom,  i got my bathroom wired with gigibit. :)
[06:44] <Cycom> dr_willis: you must take some long poos.
[06:44] <wgrant> Hardy and Intrepid have excellent multi-monitor support.
[06:44] <wgrant> Unless you're using some crap nvidia blob.
[06:45] <dli> dr_willis, must be google TiSP project
[06:46] <DanaG> Heh, nvidia and ATI on Linux is now like a 180° turn from how it was before.
[06:46] <DanaG> Well, maybe not yet 180.
[06:46] <philsf> wgrant: I have intel in my laptop, and it can't extend desktop in hardy
[06:46] <wgrant> philsf: "can't"
[06:46] <dli> DanaG, nvidia was never nice with free software
[06:47] <philsf> wgrant: why is that?
[06:47] <DanaG> Yeah, but before ATI opened everything, they were supposedly worse.
[06:47] <dli> philsf, I have intel i945, extended desktop works with xserver-1.5
[06:47] <wgrant> philsf: I don't know. Your description of the problem is severely limited.
[06:47] <DanaG> I haven't ATI since I tried suse 9.2 with my 9800 pro -- and that was like 5 years ago.
[06:47] <dli> DanaG, worse ATI doesn't make nvidia good
[06:47] <DanaG> Right.
[06:48] <philsf> wgrant: from what I heard, it was not possible. this is the first time I hear otherwise
[06:48] <DanaG> And now ATI is better than nvidia, in my opinion -- at least, on principle, at the very least.
[06:48] <DanaG> I shall vote with my wallet.
[06:48] <dli> DanaG, nvidia's nv driver is obscured! that's how friendly
[06:48] <dr_willis> I will wait and see what happens when i go to get my next card.... :)
[06:48] <wgrant> philsf: Plug in monitor. System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. Select monitor. Position monitor. Select resolution. Apply.
[06:48] <dr_willis> which will be proberly a year+ from now.
[06:48] <DanaG> obfuscated?
[06:49] <dli> dr_willis, ati is good enough for me, intel is still worry free
[06:49] <DanaG> My next laptop will be in like around 1 month.
[06:49] <philsf> wgrant: it only offers to clone the screen
[06:49] <dli> DanaG, yes, that's the word, english is not my language
[06:49] <Cycom> I noticed something bizzare with the nvidia driver
[06:49] <dr_willis> dli,  i still see a large # of people very week with intel issues.
[06:49] <Cycom> dli: you mean binary blob?
[06:49] <dr_willis> ALL the video card makers need to be slapped around a bit.
[06:49] <Cycom> dli: or closed-source?
[06:49] <dli> Cycom, no, the open source drivers
[06:49] <wgrant> philsf: Which video card are you using? Does it see both monitors?
[06:50] <philsf> wgrant: it works cloning, allright, it just doesn't offer to extend
[06:50] <philsf> dli: any link on how to do that?
[06:50] <wgrant> philsf: You can't set a resolution?
[06:50] <dli> philsf, to do extended desktop on intel card?
[06:51] <wgrant> Unchecking cloning should allow you to set the res separately...
[06:51] <dli> philsf, I did it manually with xrandr
[06:51] <philsf> wgrant: I can, to a limited set, yes
[06:51] <philsf> dli: yes
[06:51] <wgrant> "limited set"?
[06:51] <dli> philsf, you can try "screen resolution" in preferences
[06:51] <philsf> wgrant: I'll try again, but it didn't when I tried
[06:51] <philsf> wgrant: only a few resolution options are present in the list
[06:51] <wgrant> philsf: Perhaps try Intrepid.
[06:51] <dli> philsf, first, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make sure you have driver "intel", and you have Virtual 2048 2048
[06:51] <wgrant> We now set Virtual, for example.
[06:52] <dli> philsf, and you have ubuntu 8.10 for xserver-1.5
[06:52] <wgrant> 2048x2048 is often not going to be big enough.
[06:52] <wgrant> dli: We set Virtual automatically now.
[06:52] <wgrant> No need to do it manually in Intrepid.
[06:53] <dli> wgrant, understand, that's why I have to "chattr +i /etc/X11/xorg.conf", when the "auto" doesn't work, ubuntu is nasty
[06:53] <wgrant> You could also file a bug.
[06:53] <wgrant> So we can fix it, you know?
[06:53] <wgrant> To stop these stupid workarounds?
[06:53] <wgrant> What is the problem that it supposedly causes?
[06:53] <dli> wgrant, yes, unix 101, use whatever works
[06:54] <philsf> wgrant: there, uncheck "clone", and the monitor still appears cloned
[06:54] <wgrant> philsf: Even after you apply?
[06:54] <philsf> yes
[06:54] <wgrant> philsf: Which release?
[06:54] <philsf> haryd
[06:54] <philsf> hardy
[06:54] <wgrant> I suggest trying Intrepid.
[06:54] <wgrant> Particularly given that we're superfrozen.
[06:54] <dli> philsf, what's your card? too old or too new
[06:55] <Tom_Davis> no diddlin the code till the 30th?!
[06:55] <philsf> dli: I believe it's a i945
[06:55] <dli> philsf, or, you have enough shared RAM?
[06:55] <philsf> dli: how can I tell that?
[06:55] <z0r> Cycom: using the radeon driver causes X to segfault for me. http://paste.ubuntu.com/62754/ (still looking in to it)
[06:55] <dli> philsf, usually, just "free -m" is good enough, physical ram - available system ram
[06:57] <philsf> wgrant: when I tried, in the beginning of the hardy release cycle, I was subscribed in the ubuntu-users list, and it was unanimous that it wasn't possible. Given the ammount of people that *knew* that in the list, I'm surprised this is not *known*
[06:57] <philsf> dli: shared = 0 :)
[06:57] <dli> philsf, how come? numbers?
[06:58] <philsf> Mem:          1001        978         22          0         88        205
[06:58] <dli> philsf, and you have 1GB physical?
[06:58] <philsf> yup
[06:59] <philsf> I don't know how much of the ram is reserved for the video card
[06:59] <dli> philsf, 1024 - 1001= 23MB. looks like you have 16MB vRAM now
[06:59] <dli> philsf, reboot, correct that in bios
[06:59] <philsf> when I asked, I thought that this is what you were talking about
[07:00] <philsf> dli: how much should I use, assuming it's available?
[07:00] <wgrant> philsf: It works fine for me on an i915.
[07:00] <dli> philsf, for testing, try largest, like 128MB
[07:01] <philsf> ok, brb
[07:03] <DanaG> wtf... "adjust date and time" from right-click menu of clock.... does not offer NTP!
[07:03] <dr_willis> im just happy its not defaulted to  24 hr format.
[07:03] <dr_willis> :)
[07:04] <ac13> okay things are looking really really bad right now
[07:04] <ac13> I can't boot into X because I can't type in the login screen, and I can't access the internet at all in console
[07:04] <pen> does anyone here know mozplugger? and does anyone know how to make it support vlc?
[07:04] <DanaG> Back to VESA?
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: yes
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: but now nothing works at all
[07:05] <bazhang> pen in hardy or ibex
[07:05] <DanaG> Hmm, odd that you can't type.
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: I can type in tty1 but not in the logon window
[07:05] <wolfie2x> hello need some help on a bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/288579
[07:05] <DanaG> Hmm, try ctrl-alt-backspace?
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: doesn't work
[07:05] <DanaG> How about alt-sysrq-k to kill xorg (use when at login screen).
[07:05] <ac13> DanaG: I also tried using "FBDev" first before "vesa", I hope that wouldn't screw anything up
[07:05] <wolfie2x> any ideas why this might be happening?
[07:06] <ac13> DanaG: haven't tried that, but my comp is in another room right now. um, when I restart nothing works
[07:06] <DanaG> Handy way to browse web: links2
[07:06] <DanaG> While in console.
[07:06] <pen> bazhang: hey, ibex
[07:06] <DanaG> Bonus points for using framebuffer + "links2 -g"
[07:06] <ac13> DanaG: I can't access internet. ping google.com doesn't work
[07:06] <dli> DanaG, quite often, I got X blocking sysrq magic keys
[07:06] <DanaG> Wired, or wireless?
[07:06] <ac13> DanaG: wired. everything is screwed up
[07:06] <pen> bazhang: don't know you look into this channel too :P
[07:06] <DanaG> hmm, you can manually sudo dhclient eth0
[07:06] <bazhang> pen if it is not in ubuntuforums then it likely wont work; you can try with google a bit more if you wish
[07:07] <ac13> I will go try that
[07:07] <elmargol> where do I find delted packages? (deleted from the repository)
[07:07]  * DanaG has to go to bed soon.
[07:07] <DanaG> Sun Oct 26 00:07:15 PDT 2008
[07:07] <DanaG> yeah.
[07:07] <ac13> it's not 7:15 pd
[07:07] <ac13> it's 12:07 pdt
[07:08] <ac13> oh right
[07:08] <dr_willis> ac13,  does ping  <IP_ADDRESS>   work? If so its a dns issue.. if not - its a gateway, or other issue.
[07:08] <ac13> dr_willis: I will try when I get to my comp. it's 3 floors up
[07:09] <dr_willis> ac13,  :) cant ssh in?
[07:09] <ac13> ah, let me try that
[07:10] <dr_willis> dependign onyour setup, if you have done a frugal install or other install.. you may be using some of your ram with these downloads.
[07:10] <dr_willis> oops warong channel again.. :)
[07:10] <dr_willis> silly me
[07:10] <ac13> dr_willis: actually my comp doesn't respond to ping
[07:10]  * dr_willis hangs in #puppylinux
[07:11] <dr_willis> ac13,  well pings can be blocked. and still allow ssh.
[07:11] <ac13> I dont think ssh works
[07:13] <wolfie2x> dr_willis: do u know a simple way to disable a particular key (my Fn+Brightness up/down keys are freezing my desktop)
[07:13] <ac13> DanaG: sudo dhclient eth0 doesn't work
[07:13] <ac13> dr_willis: I can't ping my own ip address because it can't connect to network
[07:13] <dr_willis> wolfie2x,  not really.
[07:14] <dr_willis> ac13,  this is wired or wireless network?
[07:14] <philsf> dli: I think my BIOS doesn't offer to configure this
[07:14] <ac13> dr_willis: wired
[07:14] <dr_willis> ac13,  so the wired box cant ping any other local machines, or router eh?
[07:14] <ac13> I dont' have any other ips
[07:14] <ac13> university network
[07:15] <dr_willis> was this a upgrade? or clean install?
[07:15] <ac13> it was working before, then I did some things with xorg.conf to try using different video drivers, and it broke
[07:15] <ac13> but reverting back to the old xorg.conf doesn't work
[07:15] <dr_willis> xorg.conf shouldent affect networking at all.
[07:15] <ac13> yes. so something is seriously wrong
[07:16] <ac13> would modprobe mess anything up? because I got advised to use that to install nouveax drivers
[07:16] <dr_willis> No idea what nouveax is..
[07:16] <dli> philsf, are you sure?
[07:16] <ac13> dr_willis: open source nvidia driver
[07:16] <ac13> dr_willis: also libdrm or something like that, but that was a dependency. telexicon gave me the advice
[07:16] <dr_willis> is the network card using nvidia stuff also? or some other chipset?
[07:16] <dli> philsf, it's very unusual for an i945 machine with vRAM limited to 16MB
[07:17] <ac13> dr_willis: nvidia is only the graphics card, I believe it is intel chipset. (pm965???)
[07:17] <pen> nvidia works fine with me
[07:17] <pen> i'm glad
[07:18] <dr_willis> try to reconfigure the networking using the network managerperhaps, check dmesg for any output/messages about that card, test with a live cd - to be SURE its  works with a live cd.. and not some hardware/dog ate the cable issue...
[07:18] <philsf> dli: no. the thing is my F1 key is dead, and that's the one needed to go into the BIOS by default. Luckilly this is not the only way to enter the BIOS - in the boot menu there's also an option. What I'm not sure, is if they are the same thing
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: it is also weird that I can't type in the login window
[07:18] <philsf> I believe they are, but to be sure I need to check in my sister's laptop, which is approx the same model
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: keyboard within console works, but I can't type anything but ctrl+c on login window into ubuntu
[07:18] <dli> philsf, try one external keyboard:)
[07:18] <dr_willis> ac13,  someone else the other day in here,, had THAT issue as well..
[07:18] <dr_willis> or was it you? :)
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: it was me 10 minutes ago
[07:18] <dr_willis> this was last night..
[07:18] <ac13> dr_willis: otherwise it wasn't me
[07:19] <ac13> dr_willis: no, that definitely wasn't me
[07:19] <philsf> dli: it crossed my mind, bu I don't have a USB keyboard available, unfortunately :)
[07:19] <Hoover_4000> hi
[07:19] <Hoover_4000> hello
[07:19] <philsf> dli: but I'll try tomorrow with my sister's one, thanks for the advice
[07:20] <ac13> dr_willis: did whoever else have the problem fix it?
[07:20] <Hoover_4000> i need some help
[07:20] <dr_willis> ac13,  not that i am aware of..
[07:20] <ac13> dr_willis: seriously? damn
[07:20] <bazhang> !bluetooth
[07:20] <Hoover_4000> anyone manage to get bluetooth working
[07:20] <z0r> Cycom: the radeon driver is working for me now, and it's very smooth! Thanks heaps :) It turns out my problem was it was still trying to load the fglrx version of libgl.so. After removing all the fglrx packages, it works fine
[07:20] <dli> philsf, I think it would work :)
[07:20] <ac13> Hoover_4000: install bluez_compat then use hidd?
[07:20] <ac13> Hoover_4000: that's worked for me at least
[07:20] <telexicon> ac13, whats going on?
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: my computer is dying very very fast. well I can't type in logon window anymore, and network doesn't work
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: the logon window displays fine though
[07:21] <telexicon> ac13, using vesa?
[07:21] <telexicon> ac13, lsmod | grep nouveau
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: yeah
[07:21] <ac13> telexicon: I can't do that right now, I'm 3 floors down from my comp. I'll go check though
[07:22] <ac13> telexicon: anything else I should check?
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, ok hold on
[07:22] <Cycom> z0r: heh, no problem dude. glad you got it working :)
[07:22] <telexicon> lets mostly undo what we've done
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, echo "nouveau" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, add nouveau to the module blacklist, reboot your computer
[07:22] <Hoover_4000> my wireless keyboard and mouse use bluetooth and am tyiping on it right now, how come ubuntu doesnt detect the bluetooth stack
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, also
[07:22] <Cycom> z0r: one caveat though, I just tried using a second monitor, and I've had no less than three different outcomes, all of them bad, each time I tried.  two of three required rebooting
[07:22] <telexicon> ac13, networking in 8.10 is handled by network manager
[07:23] <telexicon> ac13, which tends to be initiated by a gnome-login, at least it is on my laptop
[07:23] <Hoover_4000> anyone willing to help me
[07:23] <ac13> Hoover_4000: have you tried using hidd --connect? you can find hidd again in bluez-compat, I think
[07:23] <ac13> telexicon: I'll go up and try those things
[07:23] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: what do you mean doesn't detect the bluetooth stack?
[07:24] <telexicon> ac13, k
[07:24] <z0r> Cycom: what did you change between each attempt? Just the driver?
[07:24] <Hoover_4000> so what is bluez-compact
[07:24] <Cycom> I was able to connect to my wireless mighty mouse ok...
[07:24] <bazhang> !info bluez-compat
[07:24] <Cycom> z0r: no, just the display setup. different refresh rates, etc.
[07:24] <z0r> ah yep
[07:25] <z0r> Cycom: thanks for the warning
[07:25] <Cycom> z0r: in most cases, the result was a black screen that no amount of cajoling could get back to displaying X, or even a terminal
[07:25] <Hoover_4000> well i cant send files or receive files like in windows vista
[07:25] <Cycom> z0r: np.
[07:26] <Hoover_4000> plus none of the phones in the house can detect if there is a bluetooth device around
[07:26] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: have you set your bluetooth card as Temporary or Always visible?
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> what do u mean
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> i cant basically do anything
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> bluetooth is like dead
[07:27] <Hoover_4000> maybe explain better or something
[07:27] <Cycom> right click on the bluetooth icon, click preferences, and see what the Visibility setting is set for
[07:28] <Hoover_4000> always display
[07:28] <Cycom> always display isn't a setting...
[07:29] <Hoover_4000> ok under prefs there is only one tab that is general
[07:29] <Cycom> aha, that explains it
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> still trying to figure out how to get the new networkmanager to actually keep my static settings
[07:29] <Cycom> what model of bluetooth adapter do you have?
[07:29] <Hoover_4000> MS BLUETOOTH STACK
[07:30] <ac13> telexicon: nope, no luck with that. put "blacklist nouveau" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, then reboot. now even bigger problem, "gave up waiting for root device. alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<long string> does not exist.
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> would think if i set it that way it would keep it, but nooo, that would be way too easy.  instead, i have to switch from dynamic to static every time i need to restart, which is a pain in the ***
[07:30] <Hoover_4000> USES WIDCOMM DRIVERS OR VISTA DRIVERS IN MY VISTA COMPUTER
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> !CAPS
[07:30] <telexicon> ac13, ok, um
[07:30] <ac13> Hoover_4000: have you tried using hidd?
[07:30] <telexicon> ac13, :S
[07:30] <telexicon> ac13, reinstall
[07:30] <ac13> telexicon: D:
[07:30] <ac13> telexicon: damn it
[07:30] <Hoover_4000> sorry
[07:30] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: let me rephrase that: is it a built in adapter, like in a laptop, or a usb one, like in a desktop
[07:31] <ac13> telexicon: how the hell.....
[07:31] <telexicon> ac13, blacklist wouldnt've done that
[07:31] <telexicon> ac13, something else is wrong
[07:31] <ac13> telexicon: uh oh
[07:31] <Hoover_4000> enabled accidentally
[07:31] <Hoover_4000> usb
[07:31] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: ok, type in a terminal: lsusb
[07:31] <ac13> telexicon: that's the only solution? damn, this is getting to be a horrid two days of using intrepid
[07:31] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:31] <Cycom> does it mention a bluetooth adapter?
[07:32] <pen> what is your favorite embedded media player in firefox?
[07:32] <Hoover_4000> no
[07:32] <ac13> pen: I find that they all suck (totem, mplayer, vlc)
[07:32] <pen> none of them really works, totem, vlc, mozplugger, ...
[07:32] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: pastebin the output of lsusb
[07:32] <DanaG> Bluetooth is way broken in Intrepid.
[07:32] <DanaG> I'm surprised it's being released like this.
[07:32] <Cycom> DanaG: seems to be working fine for me.
[07:32] <ac13> DanaG: I found that I had to reenable hidd
[07:32] <pen> ac13: I don't understand why no one works on this problem before?
[07:33] <Hoover_4000> it shows my intelli mouse and webcam and other things named microsoft
[07:33] <Cycom> DanaG: I mean, my mighty mouse was easily detected and worked with a passkey, etc.
[07:33] <pen> ac13: the concept of mozplugger is good, but the program itself is shit
[07:33] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: like I said, pastebin it. I need to see all the stuff in there to help diagnose.
[07:33] <ac13> Cycom: my logitech mouse was detected once and then never ever got detected again until I started using hidd again
[07:33] <ac13> pen: I don't know what mozplugger is :P
[07:33] <DanaG> There's no way to make a serial (rfcomm) connection.
[07:33] <Cycom> ac13: *shrug* I dunno.
[07:33] <pen> ac13: it's in the repo, search for it
[07:34] <ac13> pen: I can't. my linux install is borked, and my windows install can't boot
[07:34] <ac13> !mozplugger
[07:34] <Hoover_4000> Cycom
[07:34] <Hoover_4000> is there anything else to do
[07:34] <ac13> !info mozpluger
[07:34] <pen> ac13: then where are you?
[07:34] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: paste. the output. of lsusb. into. pastebin.
[07:34] <ac13> pen: public computer
[07:34] <pen> ac13: btw, two g
[07:34] <ac13> !info mozplugger
[07:35] <Cycom> !pastebin
[07:35] <Hoover_4000> where is the paste bin
[07:35] <pen> ac13: got it?
[07:35] <Hoover_4000> am sorry am more used to windows
[07:35] <ac13> pen: yeah. but I have bigger issues to worry about ;)
[07:35] <Hoover_4000> but am trying ubuntu
[07:35] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: did you read the line from ubottu?
[07:36] <ac13> Hoover_4000: sadly, bluetooth has never been a strong point of ubuntu.
[07:36] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:36] <Cycom> ac13: from what he said, it may be his adapter not being detected at all
[07:36] <Cycom> ac13: we shall see.
[07:36] <ac13> Cycom: oh. I didn't know that. I've just always have had problems with bluetooth myself
[07:36] <dr_willis> Ive had so many issues with bluetooth under windows... i have basicially given up on it.
[07:37] <Daisuke-Ido> given up on bluetooth or windows?
[07:37] <Cycom> I dunno.  My adapter has always worked great under linux and windows.
[07:37] <Hoover_4000> my bluetooth adapter works like a charm in windows
[07:37] <Cycom> Dell Wireless 355.
[07:37] <ac13> it had better if it was made by microsoft
[07:37] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: so did you paste the output of lsusb, et all, into pastebin?
[07:38] <ac13> so for my problem, is reinstall the only solution. (on boot it says "gave up waiting for root device" alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long string/ does not exist" and says stuff about root= and other things
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. 8-in-1 Media Card Reader
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:0095 Microsoft Corp. IntelliMouse Explorer 4.0 (IntelliPoint)
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 045e:0714 Microsoft Corp.
[07:38] <Cycom> *sigh*
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 045e:0717 Microsoft Corp.
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 045e:0707 Microsoft Corp.
[07:38] <dr_willis> I have several MS devices with no support under vista any more. :)
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00f5 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-3000.
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:38] <Hoover_4000> thats what i got after lsusb
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> jesus man, learn pastebin already >_<
[07:38] <Mr_Polite> !paste
[07:39] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: I said like 5 times to use pastebin.
[07:39] <dulak> I had to tell him how to /join a couple times for him to get in here
[07:39] <Hoover_4000> ok i didnt know as i said am new to ubuntu
[07:39] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: this isn't about being new to ubuntu. Just read stuff when we say to.
[07:39] <Mr_Polite> Hoover_4000: so why are you using an RC?
[07:39] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: I asked if you read the line from ubottu, and you just plowed on.
[07:39] <Hoover_4000> but how am i supposed to know where pastebin is?
[07:39] <Cycom> !pastebin
[07:40] <dr_willis> or learn to use the pastebinit command
[07:40] <ac13> Hoover_4000: they did that about 3 times
[07:40] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:40] <dr_willis> somelongcommand | pastebinit
[07:41] <dulak> omg when were you gonna share this amazing command with the rest of us?
[07:41] <dr_willis> Its been around for  the last release.. and perhaps befor that
[07:41] <dr_willis> :)
[07:41] <dr_willis> so its over a year old
[07:42] <dulak> first I heard of it, I been using gkedit and copy/paste
[07:42] <dulak> err gedit even
[07:42] <wolfie2x> i'm trying pastebin.. excuse me if the channel floods
[07:42] <wolfie2x> wolfie:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Reading package lists... Done
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Building dependency tree
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Reading state information... Done
[07:42] <wolfie2x> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[07:42] <wolfie2x>   pastebinit
[07:42] <wolfie2x> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:42] <wolfie2x> Need to get 9390B of archives.
[07:43] <wolfie2x> After this operation, 90.1kB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:43] <wolfie2x> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[07:43] <Cycom> XD
[07:43] <wolfie2x>   pastebinit
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main pastebinit 0.11~bzr46-1~fta1 [9390B]
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Fetched 9390B in 2s (3395B/s)
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Selecting previously deselected package pastebinit.
[07:43] <wolfie2x> (Reading database ... 167230 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Unpacking pastebinit (from .../pastebinit_0.11~bzr46-1~fta1_all.deb) ...
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[07:43] <wolfie2x> Setting up pastebinit (0.11~bzr46-1~fta1) ... | pastebin
[07:43] <wolfie2x> oops
[07:43]  * Cycom shakes his head
[07:43] <Cycom> what did you do, /exec -o?
[07:43] <Hoover_4000> WTF
[07:43] <Cycom> why would you ever install something from your IRC client?
[07:43] <DanaG> omglolwut?
[07:44] <wolfie2x> I'm trying the pastebin thing
[07:44] <dulak> I tried the pastebin thing and it didn't spam irc
[07:44] <dulak> you did it wrong
[07:44] <Hoover_4000> i already installed pastebin now how do i use it
[07:44] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: a little googling seems to reveal that you don't really have a normal bluetooth adapter.  It's this funky thing that has a bluetooth adapter but shows up as an HID mouse or something.
[07:45] <DanaG> You're Doing It Wrong.
[07:45] <DanaG> =þ
[07:45] <DanaG> About pastebinit.
[07:45] <wolfie2x> oks hw is it done?
[07:45] <DanaG> Here's how it's supposed to work:
[07:45] <DanaG> pastebinit some_file
[07:45] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: basically, I have no idea how to get it working, but you might want to look here: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Bluetooth-Transceiver-ftopict417556.html
[07:45] <DanaG> or: some_command | pastebinit -
[07:45] <Hoover_4000> why are you saying its not normal
[07:45] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: because most bluetooth adapters don't show up as a human interface device
[07:45] <wolfie2x> <paste my long output in the input box> | pastebinit
[07:46] <wolfie2x> trying again
[07:46] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: and this one has a bajillion settings in windows supposedly, along with special software
[07:46] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:46] <DanaG> It's a command line app.
[07:46] <DanaG> You feed it a file, or pipe stuff into it.
[07:46] <Hoover_4000> no that is because i have my keyboard and mouse hooked up
[07:46] <Hoover_4000> i have the wireless entertainment desktop 7000 from MS
[07:46] <DanaG> !wrong is You're Doing It Wrong.
[07:47] <wolfie2x> DanaG: how can it be seen it here if i run it on my terminal ??
[07:47] <DanaG> You paste the link it pops out for you.
[07:47] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: yes, I know. I looked up the device IDs from the lsusb output you flooded the channel with.
[07:47] <wolfie2x> ahhh
[07:47] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: remember that link I pasted and told you to read not three minutes ago?
[07:47] <wolfie2x> trying again
[07:47] <z0r> Hoover_4000: you don't need to install pastebinit. Just go here, paste your text there, then paste the URL here
[07:47] <DanaG> Yes, capitalized on the You're Doing It Wrong. =þ
[07:47] <elmargol> I try to build digikam-0.10.0-beta4 from source. somehow libkdcraw is not found :( the package is installed :(
[07:47] <z0r> Hoover_4000: where "here" is http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ;)
[07:48] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: the one that talks about your specific device, and how you need to change a setting on the windows side to get it working?
[07:48] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:48] <z0r> Hoover_4000: sorry, that sentence was nonsense
[07:49] <Hoover_4000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62768/
[07:49] <wolfie2x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62767/
[07:49] <Hoover_4000> thats the url
[07:49] <z0r> that's it :)
[07:49] <DanaG> dana@toshOLDba:~/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/Desktop$ cd Desktop
[07:49] <DanaG> dana@toshOLDba:~$
[07:49] <DanaG> Gotta' love recursive symlinks.
[07:49] <Hoover_4000> stop spamming
[07:49] <dulak> lol @ top40.pls
[07:50] <wolfie2x> DanaG: ah that worked.. now why did someone tell to do  "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[07:50] <DanaG> They were telling you to install the package, that's all.
[07:50] <z0r> wolfie2x: it's just a novelty. never mind
[07:50] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: you flooded the channel with like 20 lines of lsusb after we told you about pastebin.  I don't really think his one line is even close to spamming.
[07:50] <DanaG> Really, people should just say "install the package pastebinit"
[07:51] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:51] <Hoover_4000> what link did u give me
[07:51] <Hoover_4000> i dont recall it
[07:51] <adithya> hi all
[07:51] <dr_willis> most irc clients have scroll bars to show the channel history :)
[07:51] <wolfie2x> DanaG: sorry for bing so dumb.. but I went to a web page, pasted my output and pasted that link.. why do i have to install pstebinint or something for it??
[07:52] <DanaG> It just makes it easier to do automatically.
[07:52] <z0r> wolfie2x: you don't need to install it. You can if you like, but it's a more advanced method. It allows you to paste it there without your mouse
[07:52] <wolfie2x> ok so i still didn't get the *automatic* way..
[07:53] <DanaG> And if you're on a console, you may need to be able to type (into console irc app such as finch) the URL into the channel, since you can't copy and paste.
[07:53] <bazhang> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit <----that returns a url
[07:53] <z0r> Hoover_4000: did you find the link?
[07:53] <bazhang> Hoover_4000, paste.ubuntu.com
[07:54] <wolfie2x> bazhang: trying it
[07:54] <Hoover_4000> ya
[07:54] <Hoover_4000> i already did that and i gave you the link
[07:54] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: scroll up.
[07:54] <Hoover_4000> ok
[07:54] <z0r> Hoover_4000: just out of interest, if you're new to linux why are you using intrepid?
[07:54] <elmargol> noone :(
[07:54] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: see the part where I put the link of help.lockergnome.com/ etc. etc. ?
[07:55] <Hoover_4000> well am not like extremely new
[07:55] <z0r> Hoover_4000: ok
[07:55] <Hoover_4000> had hardy for am month and then decide3d to upgrade today
[07:55] <wolfie2x> z0r: it's pure curiosity.. same with me.. yeah yeah i know it killed the cat or something
[07:55] <Hoover_4000> well it didnt work in hardy either
[07:55] <z0r> wolfie2x: well it's a good way to learn ;)
[07:56] <Hoover_4000> probably i will try to change the settings in windows from software controlled to hardware controlled
[07:57] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: so you DID read the article :)
[07:58] <wolfie2x> bazhang:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit   doesn't work
[07:58] <Hoover_4000> ya i read it
[07:58] <wolfie2x> says: "Error no arguments specified!"
[07:58] <Hoover_4000> thats waht i was reading
[07:59] <DanaG> needs to be pastebinit -
[07:59] <bazhang> wolfie2x, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:59] <DanaG> But instead of using cat, you can just do it this way
[07:59] <wolfie2x> bazhan: already did that
[07:59] <DanaG> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <DanaG> Give it a file name.
[07:59] <wolfie2x> lets try
[07:59] <Hoover_4000> i manage my bluetooth with the intellipoint software maybe should try managing it with hardware
[07:59] <DanaG> or the other thing is some_command_with_long_output | pastebinit
[08:00] <DanaG> er
[08:00] <bazhang> wolfie2x, works here
[08:00] <DanaG>  some_command_with_long_output | pastebinit -
[08:00] <DanaG> note the dash for 'stdin' (input from pipe).
[08:00] <wolfie2x> DanaG: that worked! ;)
[08:01] <wolfie2x> ahhh my mistake.. missed that last "-"
[08:01] <DanaG> It's easy to miss.
[08:01] <wolfie2x> DanaG: what exactly does adding a "-" mean in linux? have seen it in "su -"
[08:02] <DanaG> It can mean various things.
[08:02] <dulak> on su it means "full login environment"
[08:02] <DanaG> Anyway, time for bed for real.
[08:02] <dulak> for most other commands it means "use stdin here"
[08:02] <wolfie2x> dualk: means all my env vars are copied
[08:02] <wolfie2x> ?
[08:02] <dr_willis> su - is shortcut for somthing else i forget. :)
[08:02] <Hoover_4000> will be right back in a few
[08:03] <dulak> wolfie2x: for su, it means "pretend I logged in as root, and not my normal user"
[08:03] <wolfie2x> DanaG: go sleep. ;) thx for the help
[08:03] <dulak> wolfie2x: but you can su to any user, not just root, when you add the - it acts like you had originally logged in as that user
[08:04] <dulak> wolfie2x: as an example if you su to root without the -, $HOME is still pointing to /home/username instead of /root like it would if you had logged in as root
[08:04] <dulak> wolfie2x: the - fixes that kind of thing
[08:05] <dr_willis> wolfie2x,   theres 'login shells' and normal shells. :)  the - tells it to use a login shell - i belive
[08:05] <wolfie2x> I C
[08:06] <dulak> a normal shell inherits the environment from the parent shell, a login shell gets a whole new environment just like a new login
[08:07] <dr_willis> dulak,  one runs the .bash_profile, and the non-login just runs .bashrc also. :)
[08:08] <dr_willis> Today on #ubuntu+1 : Linux FUNdamentals! :)
[08:08] <wolfie2x> :)
[08:08] <dulak> dr_willis: flawless upgrade for me yesterday btw, I was seriously impressed
[08:09] <dr_willis> at least you dident ask... "Whats the command for mkdir?"  :)
[08:09] <wolfie2x> it's hard to google for something like that.. search for "linux -" ?
[08:09] <dr_willis> dulak,  im 1 upgrade failed badly... scared to try it on the other machine. :)
[08:09] <dr_willis> linux -    will get lots of hits i imagine
[08:09] <dulak> dr_willis: never had a flawless upgrade before
[08:10] <dr_willis> dulak,  i tend tokeep /home and do clean installs.. but i really dont need intrepid on my old fileserver.. yet :)
[08:10] <dulak> dr_willis: I have an issue with the nvidia driver but it's a hardware age thing, my cpu doesn't have sse and the newer drivers require it for 3d, but that's a non-issue from the upgrade standpoint
[08:10] <dulak> dr_willis: I'd keep LTS on a file server myself, I keep all my servers on LTS
[08:10] <dr_willis> My fileserer is.. MY fileserver.. thats it.. :) just for me and the wife...
[08:11] <dr_willis> its connected to the tv downstairs so its also a video player.
[08:11] <dulak> that's kind of a workstation too then
[08:11] <dulak> my fileserver is a headless box-o-disks so I keep it LTS
[08:12] <dulak> I have a modded xbox on the tv I use as a media player front end to the file server
[08:12] <dr_willis> i had one headless.. then had issues..  - it wouldent boot up one day.. had to hook up a monitor to see why
[08:13] <dr_willis> I got some x box's i need to mod for that.. bit im too lazy
[08:13] <dr_willis> I got the Wii set up using 'orb' on a wndows box to serve it videos
[08:13] <wolfie2x> ok I'm going on my next mission: encode a video clip from my cam to h264 so that it's easier to upload on facebook..
[08:13] <wolfie2x> guess that'll take a good couple of hours figure out
[08:13] <wolfie2x> worked on Hardy and ffmpeg from Tomubuntu..
[08:14] <wolfie2x> doesn't work on intrepid..
[08:14] <wolfie2x> default intrepid ffmpeg doesn't have x264 enabled or something
[08:14] <prometheanfire> I can't wait til nvidia fixes their drivers
[08:14] <dulak> wolfie2x: mencoder can do h264 I think
[08:14] <wolfie2x> dulak: has a GUI?
[08:15] <dulak> wolfie2x: maybe, I just use command line
[08:15] <wolfie2x> I'm using WinFF gui for ffmpeg
[08:15] <dulak> I'm old school, I use the terminal for a LOT of stuff
[08:15] <wolfie2x> dulak: can i just encode with a single command?
[08:15] <wolfie2x> or do i have to encode video
[08:15] <wolfie2x> then audio
[08:16] <wolfie2x> then put together
[08:16] <dulak> wolfie2x: yes, I convert and encode in a single pass but some stuff looks better with a double pass
[08:16] <dulak> wolfie2x: depends on what you need, for a cam 1 pass is probably enough
[08:16] <wolfie2x> can u send me a sample cmd line u execute?
[08:18] <wolfie2x> I'll install mencoder and try
[08:18] <dulak> wolfie2x: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html
[08:18] <dulak> that's a full guide with everything known about encoding using mencoder
[08:19] <Hoover_4000> hello
[08:19] <wolfie2x> that's a lot to read! ;)
[08:20] <wolfie2x> was thinking of copy pasting ur cmd and replacing the filename.. ;)
[08:20] <dulak> wolfie2x: section 14.5 is all about h264
[08:20] <Cycom> wolfie2x: but then you wouldn't learn anything!
[08:20] <Hoover_4000> cycom
[08:20] <dulak> I don't use h264 on my stuff, I use mpeg4v3 so my videos will play in any windows player
[08:21] <Hoover_4000> i now got another option in prefs
[08:21] <wolfie2x> Cycom: true.. but i learnt about pastebin today.. ;)
[08:21] <wolfie2x> dulak: h264 is normally playable on windows
[08:21] <dulak> wolfie2x: I don't think it's native to win2k or win98
[08:22] <dulak> wolfie2x: I think it requires a codec download
[08:22] <wolfie2x> i cu
[08:22] <Cycom> cccp = win for codecs
[08:22] <wolfie2x> i c
[08:22] <Hoover_4000> cycom what options are under your prefs
[08:22] <dulak> for my videos, I prefer the "no downloads for windows idiots" solution
[08:22] <wolfie2x> guess mpeg4v3 is microsoft implementation of h264 ?
[08:23] <Hoover_4000> you said your bluetooth is working
[08:23] <Cycom> I have Devil-0 (Devil being my hostname)
[08:23] <dulak> wolfie2x: I"m not sure, I just know that one works on every version of media player since win98
[08:23] <Cycom> as a tab, and then it has the options "Hidden", "Always visible", "Temporary visible", and "Friendly name"
[08:23] <Cycom> then the next tab is general
[08:25] <Hoover_4000> cycom
[08:25] <Hoover_4000> cycoom check this now
[08:25] <Hoover_4000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/62775/
[08:25] <Cycom> hooray you figured out pastebin!
[08:26] <Hoover_4000> ya
[08:26] <Cycom> also, Microsoft Corp. Transceiver v 3.0 for Bluetooth
[08:26] <Cycom> neat!
[08:26] <Hoover_4000> ok look in that when i changed to hardware controlled
[08:26] <Hoover_4000> so still it doesnt do anything
[08:27] <Hoover_4000> i cant detect it
[08:27] <Cycom> you don't have a tab that has the same options as what I have?
[08:27] <Hoover_4000> why not
[08:28] <Hoover_4000> with the exception of the nname
[08:28] <Hoover_4000> how many tabs do u have
[08:28] <Cycom> two
[08:28] <Hoover_4000> i have 2 in total
[08:29] <Cycom> me as well! what are your tabs called?
[08:29] <Hoover_4000> what other packages did u install
[08:29] <Cycom> none.
[08:29] <Cycom> what are your tabs called?
[08:29] <Cycom> General and...
[08:29] <Hoover_4000> one tab is the name i gave it
[08:29] <Hoover_4000> the other is general
[08:29] <Cycom> good.
[08:30] <Cycom> do you see the 'Visibility setting' area in the one you named?
[08:30] <Hoover_4000> ya
[08:30] <Cycom> set it to 'Always visible', just for now to connect your devices.
[08:30] <Hoover_4000> ok
[08:30] <wolfie2x> question on "Software Sources": is it necessary to have "Source Code" enabled? seems to take long just to check for updates..
[08:31] <Cycom> wolfie2x: usually, no
[08:31] <Cycom> wolfie2x: just nice to have.
[08:31] <dulak> wolfie2x: it's only required if you are gonna download source packages and compile from source
[08:31] <wolfie2x> ii c
[08:31] <dulak> wolfie2x: I only enable those on one or two of my servers, it's disabled on all the rest
[08:31] <Hoover_4000> well tried it still cant detect it
[08:32] <Cycom> Hoover_4000: Dunno then
[08:32] <Cycom> It's like 4 am here
[08:32] <Hoover_4000> ok
[08:32] <Cycom> so I'm going to bed.
[08:32] <wolfie2x> good night cycom
[08:33] <Cycom> buenos noches. good luck.
[08:34] <Hoover_4000> its 3:34 am for me
[08:34] <wolfie2x> Hoover: what r u doing up in d middle of d night?
[08:35] <wolfie2x> bluetooth keeping u awake? ;)
[08:37] <wolfie2x> guys what does intrepid-backports mean?
[08:39] <Hoover_4000> ok bye
[08:39] <Hoover_4000> CYA MAYBE POSSIBLY
[09:05] <wolfie2x> hello anybody still here?
[09:12] <eagles0513875> hi
[09:13] <beilabs> Hey guys, just updated, running nvidia-glx-177 package.  Core temp of gfx card 8400M is now average of 62 degrees.  Seems quite hot especially with no extra settings enabled.  Any clues?
[09:35] <whisperer> greetingz
[09:35] <whisperer> i just upgraded my hardy to ibex candidate
[09:35] <whisperer> and I cant change my screen resolution
[09:35] <waan> whisperer: cool what's it like?
[09:35] <waan> drivers missing?
[09:36] <whisperer> seems drivers in place
[09:36] <whisperer> trying google it
[09:36] <whisperer> but no luck
[09:36] <whisperer> yet
[09:36] <whisperer> wander if any of you have same problems
[09:36] <whisperer> i am sitting at 800x600
[09:36] <whisperer> :/
[09:36] <waan> does glxinfo give the the usual results as from hardy?
[09:37] <whisperer> well
[09:37] <whisperer> i am pretty new to ubuntu (6 months or so)
[09:37] <whisperer> what doest it mean?
[09:38] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$ glxinfo
[09:38] <whisperer> name of display: :0.0
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <waan> have you checked, system -> admin -> hardware drivers
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <waan> bad idea to paste in here
[09:38] <whisperer> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <whisperer> 2 GLXFBConfigs:
[09:38] <whisperer>    visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
[09:38] <whisperer>  id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
[09:38] <whisperer> ok
[09:38] <dli> whisperer, don't flood :(
[09:38] <whisperer> sorry
[09:38] <whisperer> wont do again
[09:39] <waan> if somebody asks, you can use paste.ubuntu.com
[09:39] <dli> whisperer, what's your video card?
[09:39] <dli> whisperer, lspci|grep -i vga
[09:39] <whisperer>  nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] (rev a2)
[09:40] <whisperer> system->admin->hardware drivers = enabled and in use
[09:40] <dli> whisperer, lsmod|grep nv
[09:41] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$ lsmod|grep nv
[09:41] <whisperer> nvidia               4718832  0
[09:41] <whisperer> i2c_core               24832  1 nvidia
[09:41] <whisperer> agpgart                34760  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[09:41] <tolonuga> can anyone tell me how to disable all 3d desktop effects in kubuntu 8.10 / kde 4?
[09:41] <dli> whisperer, "nvidia" used by 0, so, it's not used yet
[09:42] <whisperer> how to enable then?
[09:42] <waan> tolonuga: what window manager do you normally use, for ubuntu its "metacity --replace&"
[09:42] <waan> I assume you're using compiz?
[09:42] <tolonuga> nope, only kwin
[09:42] <dli> waan: kde4 wm has 3D effects by default
[09:42] <waan> ohh my mistake
[09:42] <waan> i'll be quiet then :P
[09:43] <nekostar> eh
[09:43] <dli> whisperer, try to edit xorg.conf, specify Driver "nvidia"
[09:43] <nekostar> gnome::restartstyle
[09:43] <nekostar> stupid gnome-session-preferences
[09:43] <whisperer> what syntax to use?
[09:44] <nekostar> ive no idea
[09:44] <nekostar> i know nothing about this stuff
[09:44] <whisperer> sudo gedit xorg.conf ?
[09:44] <nekostar> basically the problem is that the gnome sessions manager dealio used to have a restart button
[09:44] <nekostar> whisperer: ah gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:44] <nekostar> gksu for X applications, sudo for terminal type
[09:45] <dli> whisperer, whatever the editor, in Device section, make it Driver "nvidia"
[09:45] <whisperer> ok
[09:45] <waan> whisperer: what was already there?
[09:45] <dli> whisperer, or, you can read the current /var/log/Xorg.0.log, find WW EE lines
[09:46] <whisperer> gime sec
[09:48] <starscalling> ok
[09:48] <starscalling> so ther'es some massive memory leak
[09:48] <starscalling> in Xorg
[09:48] <starscalling> anyone else getting this?
[09:48] <starscalling> i've only 8 hrs uptime and i'm already at 1.3gig ram
[09:49] <whisperer> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[09:49] <whisperer> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[09:49] <dli> whisperer, that's harmless
[09:49] <whisperer> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
[09:49] <user_> starscalling: i dont know nothing about x, but you may give more info on which drivers you are using, etc..
[09:49] <starscalling> whisperer ee is the bad one
[09:50] <starscalling> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[8 hours, 35 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.998 MHz (19200.08 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA
[09:50] <starscalling> Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.80] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[09:50] <whisperer> no EE
[09:50] <whisperer> :(
[09:51] <starscalling> X.Org X Server 1.5.2
[09:51] <whisperer> found it
[09:51] <starscalling> xorg-server 2:1.5.2-2ubuntu3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:51] <whisperer> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:51] <starscalling> Build Date: 24 October 2008  09:06:49AM [64 bit btw]
[09:52] <starscalling> well i'll be back
[09:52] <joaopinto> starscalling, better file a bug report about it
[09:52] <starscalling> gotta kill X
[09:52] <dli> whisperer, sounds like the nvidia not installed, but you have the nvidia module, maybe, of different version
[09:52] <dli> whisperer, rmmod nvidia
[09:52] <whisperer> hmz
[09:53] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$  rmmod nvidia
[09:53] <whisperer> ERROR: Removing 'nvidia': Operation not permitted
[09:53] <dli> whisperer, reinstall the nvidia driver (module and xorg driver), modprobe nvidia; /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:53] <whisperer> how to ?
[09:53] <dli> whisperer, you may try to rmmod after you shutdown X
[09:53] <wgrant> whisperer: sudo rmmod nvidia
[09:54] <whisperer> wgrant, doent work
[09:54] <wgrant> !doesn't work
[09:55] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$ sudo rmmod nvidia
[09:55] <whisperer> m@m-desktop:~$
[09:55] <dli> whisperer, stop X first; Ctl-Alt-F1, login there, then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:56] <oly> hi, i have been plagued with problems with update-alternatives they tend to go update-alternatives is missing --remove-all or --quiet any ideas on how to fix this problem
[09:57] <oly> i have tried re-installing dpkg packages which seems to contain update-alternatives but this does not resolve the problem
[09:58] <oly> i can fix the --quiet by stripping all the .prerm and .postinst files of this parameter but --remove-all will not work
[09:58] <oly> because its an important parameter, so basically i am looking for a better fix
[09:58] <mastermolch> pulseaudio is very unstable on my computer, it is crashing down after a minute using amarok or adobe flash player. does this happen on other computers too or is it my fault?
[09:58] <oly> or ideas as to where i might look or whats going wrong
[10:00] <dli> oly, I don't understand what's the problem specifically, any example?
[10:00] <dr_willis> ive not had any issues wuth pulse on my 3 machines.. so far..
[10:00] <dr_willis> :)
[10:01] <oly> currently flash is trying to update but it breaks complaining that update-alternatives is missing the --remove-all parameter
[10:01] <oly> why it would be missing a parameter i have no idea
[10:01] <oly> but i have had the problem with other packages
[10:01] <oly> it seems to be a problem with update-alternatives on this machine
[10:02] <cypherdelic> I have an annoying problem. when i open firefox, window decoration is missing, when i press F11 for fullscreen and then again F11 for un-fullscreen, i have my window decorations back, any idea?
[10:02] <dli> oly, I guess the other way, a problem with flash package
[10:02] <oly> its not just flash i have had problems with most packages
[10:03] <oly> usually its the --quiet parameter
[10:03] <oly> which i can easily fix
[10:03] <mastermolch> dr_willis i changed the number of speakers in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to 6
[10:03] <dli> oly, you have to find the specific command which fails
[10:03] <mastermolch> after this it is crashing down all the time
[10:04] <oly> by doing a find and replace in all .prerm and .postinst files to stip out --quiet
[10:04] <oly> they run through file
[10:04] <mastermolch> @ dr_willis
[10:04] <cypherdelic> got it myself
[10:04] <oly> obviously i am not fussed about update-alternatives running quiet
[10:04] <oly> so thats a quick / simple fix
[10:04] <dli> oly,  update-alternatives --quiet --list editor
[10:04] <dli> oly, can you run that? with sudo as usual
[10:05] <oly> update-alternatives: unknown argument `--quiet'
[10:05] <oly> is the responce
[10:05] <oly> i have just fixed flash manually but i would still like to resolve this problem for the next time i upgrade
[10:06] <oly> its like i have an old version of update-alternatives where these arguments did not exist or something
[10:06] <dli> oly, then, your update-alternatives is faulty
[10:06] <dli> oly, update-alternatives --help
[10:07] <oly> that was my conclusion just dont knwo how to fix
[10:07] <oly> help works
[10:08] <dli> oly, is --quiet listed in --help?
[10:08] <oly> nope
[10:08] <dli> oly, dpkg --version
[10:08] <oly> 3 options --install --remove --help
[10:08] <dli> oly, are you running ubuntu at all?
[10:08] <oly> 1.14.20ubuntu1 (i386)
[10:09] <oly> yes i am running intrepid, it was an upgrade from hardy
[10:09] <ByteJuggler>  /whois ByteJuggler
[10:09] <dli> oly, sudo which update-alternatives
[10:09] <dli> oly: sudo ls -l $(which update-alternatives)
[10:09] <oly> /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[10:10] <oly> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4248 2008-07-05 10:23 /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[10:10] <dli> oly, several things
[10:10] <dli> oly, remove "/usr/local/bin" for root
[10:10] <oly> there is also an update-alternatives in /usr/sbin
[10:10] <dli> oly, rm /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[10:11] <dli> oly, /usr/local/bin should not be for root at all, that's most important
[10:11] <dli> oly, I don't understand how it got in
[10:11] <oly> okay removed
[10:11] <atle_> Has anyone experienced that the fan is constantly running after upgrading to Intrepid??
[10:13] <dli> oly, for the time being, I suggest you to move away /usr/local/*, sounds very dangerous to me
[10:13] <oly> okay, not sure what you mean by move away from /usr/local/* though
[10:13] <oly> going to try another update
[10:14] <oly> got 251 updates to come down
[10:14] <dli> oly, sudo mv /usr/local /usr/local_old;sudo mkdir -p /usr/local
[10:14] <oly> so will see if they go through smotthly
[10:14] <user_> atle_: not here, but you might check launchpad for similar reports
[10:15] <dli> oly, if you don't understand how /usr/local/bin got in, do what I suggested. :(
[10:15] <oly> okay done