[07:58] <Lhademmo1> gnome-power-manager is acting all weird on my ThinkPad R51 laptop.
[07:58] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: in the meantime, try Exaile.
[07:58] <rothchild> lol ok forget that suggestion!
[07:58] <Lhademmo1> If I'm inactive for ~10 seconds it lowers the screenlight to minimum
[07:59] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Is exaile a gnome app?
[07:59] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: its a gtk clone of amarok.
[07:59] <nosrednaekim> without the content browser
[07:59] <threethirty> Lhademmo1: thats a productivity feature :-)
[07:59] <VousDeux> threethirty, the only way I have had any success with changing resolution is by manually editing the xorg.conf Modes
[08:00] <VousDeux> threethirty, however, in my case that has only had an effect when I run a generic vesa driver
[08:00] <VousDeux> threethirty, when I run the development nvidia driver I cannot change it no matter what I try
[08:01] <threethirty> VousDeux: i have the nvidia driver installed, and i haven't edited xorg.conf  in a while (im lazy) can you point the path or a walk through
[08:02] <VousDeux> threethirty, the path is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:02] <threethirty> ty
[08:02] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Well, exaile crashes when I try to play a song... so that's a no-go ;)
[08:02] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: heh.... try mpg123 (command line ;)
[08:02] <VousDeux> threethirty, you will have to edit with root access
[08:02] <Lhademmo1> threethirty, yeah maybe normally, but how can I extend the time 'limit'?
[08:03] <Lhademmo1> Also, the on-screen "light-meter" is broken, and stays at 0 all the time
[08:03] <threethirty> Lhademmo1: i have no clue i havent tried to run gutsy on my laptop yet
[08:03] <robinson> dang. Seems like my laptop fan runs all the time on Gutsy
[08:04] <pbx> No heavy fan usage here...
[08:04] <robinson> nevermind, it just quit :)
[08:04] <Lhademmo1> threethirty, because it's a "production pc" ?
[08:04] <robinson> must be just paranoid
[08:04] <bazhang> no problems here either.
[08:04] <robinson> probably because i had the exhaust port resting on my thigh. I lifted it up for a minute and it stopped
[08:05] <pbx> but these .25 second hangs are killing me.
[08:05] <threethirty> Lhademmo1:hehe yeah
[08:05] <frank_> pbx: you mean from compiz?
[08:05] <pbx> No
[08:05] <pbx> Anytime I'm running X
[08:05] <pbx> I'm in wmii right now :)
[08:07] <VousDeux> does anyone have any idea how long it usually takes for someone to review a bug report?
[08:07] <pbx> I'm at a loss for how to remedy this. What are some nuclear options?
[08:08] <VousDeux> I submitted a report several weeks ago, but I cannot tell that anything has been done with it.
[08:08] <frank_> KnetworkManager says I have no active device in gusty kubuntu. I disabled encryption on my network and connected with kde configuration menu. I have no idea how to get knetworkmanager working.  I tried the gutsy ubuntu network-manager and that one works.
[08:08] <robinson> in Kubuntu Gutssy, still having issues with the volume control seemingly not working on my laptop. It works visually, and even changes the mixer, but seems like the mixer channels are incorrect
[08:08] <minuoh> ok i guess it's not only my problem: http://www.chuffle.com/20070929/ubuntu-gutsy-beta/
[08:09] <VousDeux> Actually, I appended an existing report that said it was assigned, but incomplete. I submitted the information to complete the status, but the status has not changed
[08:09] <pbx> whe i typeit come out like ts beausemy compute gruns for one secondand then stalls  a qrter sec.
[08:09] <pbx> :\
[08:11] <VousDeux> it's just a little frustrating that I have been trying for several weeks to resolve the same issues. I have researched every resource imaginable, but I'm getting nowhere.
[08:11] <robinson> anyone else experiencin the "mixer" issue?
[08:11] <VousDeux> and then I submit bug reports that do not seem to get any attention whatsoever
[08:12] <VousDeux> I guess I'm just not sure what else I should be doing
[08:12] <rothchild> VousDeux I know the feeling I had a bugreport logged for a while and no-one said anything until I reported back that it had been fixed and all of a sudden the channel came alive!
[08:13] <VousDeux> Maybe someday, Linux will be user friendly, but I have been looking at it for years and it seems to still only be developer friendly
[08:15] <robinson> is there a way to map my volume buttons on my laptop to affect the PCM channel instead of the master channel? thant would fix my problem
[08:15] <VousDeux> In all the years I have been looking at Linux, I have never actually been able to use it for anything because I have never reached a point where I wasn't just trying to figure out how to make my hardware work properly.
[08:16] <robinson> wow, been using it for about 4 years or more now.
[08:16] <robinson> Hard to go back to Windows
[08:16] <bazhang> VousDeux: it's a good idea to do a bit of research before buying new hardware--some companies are notably unfriendly to open source.
[08:16] <robinson> Yeah, there are some apps that i miss, but for the most part, Linux just works for me
[08:16] <bazhang> me too
[08:16] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason i don't seem to have a splash screen or login/out sounds?
[08:16] <frank_> VousDeux: The easiest way is to buy hardware that is known to work well with linux rather than try to make linux run whatever you have.
[08:17] <robinson> you are correct, sir
[08:17] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: it's a beta?
[08:17] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: i didn't know that :|
[08:18] <ConstyXIV> anyways, does anyone else have splash screens or login sounds?
[08:18] <robinson> i have them on mine
[08:18] <robinson> Kubuntu
[08:18] <Dr_willis> i always disable that stuff. :)
[08:18] <pbx> VousDeux: I recommend the Mark Pilgrim approach, as frank_ et al.  are saying.
[08:20] <VousDeux> to me, that's a little like saying these tires will work on a Ford, but not a GM, when really the tires are supposed to be universal...unless the hardware is Windows specific (like a winmodem) I should be able to expect it to be supported by Linux
[08:20] <pbx> Why ?
[08:20] <bazhang> VousDeux: sounds like why are there so many distros, why not just one?
[08:20] <robinson> i understand what you mean, I have had some frustration with some hardware before too.
[08:21] <bazhang> ie the baskin-robbins defense
[08:21] <robinson> But, it ends up being like trying to play an Xbox game in a Gamecube and being mad at nintendo
[08:21] <bazhang> haha
[08:21] <VousDeux> hehe
[08:21] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: it's more like putting parts in a toyota when everyone is primarily making ford parts
[08:21] <bazhang> Ford +Vista = lemon
[08:22] <robinson> both systems play games, but quite frankly, there are some exclusive Nintendo titles that wont make it to Xbox, and vice-versa
[08:22] <VousDeux> I have always used popular main-stream hardware
[08:22] <robinson> when you own a Gamecube, you go buy stuff that works on the gamecube
[08:22] <ConstyXIV> everyone had gotten used to having the one OS (Windows) and then Linux popped up out of nowhere, and not everyone has adjusted yet (or refuses to adjust)
[08:22] <robinson> sorry, i just love analogies
[08:23] <bazhang> !bug#1
[08:23] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[08:23] <robinson> on a side note, do Mac users have a hard time with dial up?
[08:23] <ConstyXIV> robinson: mac users don't use dialup, they all use FiOS broadband :)
[08:24] <bazhang> hahaha
[08:24] <VousDeux> selecting hardware for Linux shouldn't be that hard...If I search for the most popular video card, it should be supported
[08:24] <pbx> VousDeux: "popular" and "main stream" are not technical attributes.
[08:24] <robinson> VousDeux: i think i missed your original complaint. what hardware is giving your trouble?
[08:24] <bazhang> MS shouldn't be a monopoly, with garbage like vista, but there you go.
[08:24] <VousDeux> doesn't it make sense that if Linux wants to appeal to main-stream, they should support the most popular hardware?
[08:24] <ConstyXIV> and anyways, i don't think macs have modems anymore
[08:25] <bazhang> you have it reversed.
[08:25] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: it takes quite a bit of work to support hardware
[08:25] <ConstyXIV> just look at some of the docs AMD put out for the radeon recently
[08:26] <bazhang> hiya squidy
[08:26] <ConstyXIV> and linux devs don't always have the advantage of having docs (or any sort of backing) from the manufacturer
[08:26] <pbx> !stages
[08:26] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:26] <ConstyXIV> a big example is the broadcom wifi cards
[08:26] <VousDeux> in my current situation, eg: this notebook, I expected to have some difficulties with hardware support at first, but the general hardware, like the touch pad, I never expected to have any problems with
[08:27] <bazhang> which notebook VousDeux?
[08:27] <ConstyXIV> what exactly is wrong with your touchpad?
[08:27] <VousDeux> MS-1719
[08:27] <bazhang> brand name?
[08:27] <VousDeux> the touchpad works, but is too sensitive and cannot be configured or disabled
[08:27] <VousDeux> Microstar
[08:28] <bazhang> how old?
[08:28] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: go to System->Prefs->Mouse and see if there's a "Touchpad" tab
[08:28] <VousDeux> August
[08:28] <bazhang> TheRepacker: can help!
[08:29] <TheRepacker> What?
[08:29] <bazhang> TheRepacker: touchpad too sensitive!
[08:29] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: does the touchpad tab show up?
[08:29] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, the tab is there, but when I click it, it says it cannot access shared memory...I have added the appropriate info to my xorg.conf, but the xorg.0.log says that the hardware cannot be detected and the driver is unloaded. The shared memory cannot be accessed because the device is not loaded.
[08:30] <TheRepacker> sorry, desktop box here
[08:30] <bazhang> oops.
[08:30] <TheRepacker> nice try through,,,LOL
[08:31] <bazhang> TheRepacker: sorry! couldn't resist..
[08:31] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: first off, why were you mucking around in the xorg.conf in the first place?
[08:31] <viator> i have desktop effects running now how can i configure them to work differently
[08:31] <bazhang> TheRepacker: are you a dev?
[08:31] <viator> when i click custom it does nothing or seems to
[08:31] <TheRepacker> no, just a noob
[08:31] <ConstyXIV> viator: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:31] <bazhang> viator: #ubuntu-effects
[08:31] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, because that is what the warning and the supporting documentation I have found has said to do.
[08:31] <viator> o ty
[08:32] <Dr_willis>  compizconfig-settings-manager - is going to be the answer to a top 10 FAQ. in a week or so... :)
[08:32] <bazhang> no problem
[08:32] <viator> haha
[08:32] <bazhang> that should be the topic on every channel!
[08:32] <squidy> hey.. i've installed compiz from cannonical repository.. but when i try to run that i receive a segmentation fault error as you can see here: http://pastebin.ca/728123
[08:32] <squidy> could anyone help me?
[08:33] <VousDeux> the warning says I need to add Option "SHMConfig" "on" to the xorg.conf, I did that, but it did not help.
[08:33] <squidy> i'm using kubuntu gutsy
[08:33] <ConstyXIV> squidy: in gutsy?  compiz comes by default
[08:33] <bazhang> not kubuntu
[08:33] <ConstyXIV> oh
[08:33] <squidy> kubuntu
[08:33] <Dr_willis> Thats going to be a Faq also in a few weeks. :) i bet...
[08:33] <Dr_willis> Faq #1 - how to get extra Compiz settings = Install  compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:34] <frank_> Knetworkmanager says: No active device.    Anyone else have this in kubuntu beta?
[08:34] <bazhang> haha
[08:34] <Dr_willis> Faq #2 - how to enable it in Kubuntu = No idea yet.
[08:34] <TheRepacker> I seem to have lost  libglx.so, anyone know how to get it back?
[08:34] <bazhang> I've got it going!
[08:34] <Dr_willis> Faq#3 - how to make Konqueror the default file manager under Kubuntu = No idea either. :)
[08:34] <squidy> frank_, i'm receive the same message here
[08:34] <robinson> frank: beta running fine here. Sitting on my couch using Wifi
[08:34] <bazhang> I'll write the FAQ, for a price!
[08:34] <ConstyXIV> ubuntu really should have built a more detailed (but still easier) compizconfig
[08:34] <squidy> *receiving
[08:35] <Dr_willis> #4 - how to install all the extra codec/java/flash/otehr things  = Install 'ubuntu-Somthing-somthing'  (i forget the name)
[08:35] <Dr_willis> Heh heh/
[08:35] <squidy> weird.. anyone here is using kubuntu gutsy with compiz successfully?
[08:35] <bazhang> faq #5 the key bindings
[08:35] <Dr_willis> squidy,  got Kubutnu Gutsy. but not using COmpiz
[08:35] <ConstyXIV> Dr_willis: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:35] <frank_> squidy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/149869    there is this bug here. I know very little about networkmanager. not sure what to do
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149869 in knetworkmanager "Gutsy Beta Kubuntu could not connect" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:35] <Dr_willis> I with the compiz control thing had a 'show all used key shortcuts' plugin.
[08:36] <bazhang> compiz-fusion
[08:36] <Dr_willis> i wish it had.. :)
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> myself, i remapped the "menu" key to invoke scale
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> and ctrl-menu for expo
[08:36] <bazhang> ring switcher
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> since my touchpad only has 2 buttons
[08:37] <squidy> bazhang, you've said compiz works perfectly in kubuntu gutsy.. are you using it?
[08:37] <bazhang> compiz-fusion; I don't know about 'perfectly'
[08:37] <VousDeux> I am really grateful to all of the friendly people who have tried to help in here, but none of them have been able to help me resolve the issue because none of them have been experts. I tried contacting experts by submitting bug reports, but that didn't seem to get any attention. How can I get expert help?
[08:37] <squidy> bazhang, not perfectly.. but very very well.. heh
[08:38] <bazhang> yessss very very well. hehe
[08:38] <bazhang> no paint fire, though scared to try it
[08:38] <bazhang> VousDeux: have you considered using a mouse until this bug is fixed?
[08:39] <rothchild> I'm an expert just not in computing ;-)
[08:39] <highvoltage> Hi, how can I try Ubiquity's unatended install in Gutsy?
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: not really a fix on a laptop
[08:39] <bazhang> hi voltage!
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> but you can just turn down the sensitivity in the mouse prefs app
[08:39] <VousDeux> I am using a mouse, but typing is very difficult when you have a sensitive touch pad always getting in the way
[08:40] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: a workaround perhaps.
[08:40] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: if your laptop has a touchpad button (either it's own button or fn+some button), have you tried that?
[08:40] <VousDeux> I can't even breathe near this touch pad without it goofing me up
[08:40] <bazhang> does ubuntu have voice recognition software?
[08:40] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, no such luck...my wife's HP has such a button, but those seem to be rare
[08:40] <robinson> sorry to break in again, but can anyone tell me how to map my laptop volume keys to the PCM channel in Kubnutu?
[08:41] <terragna> Hello. I have been doing a lot of searching, but I can't seem to find any help on this problem. I've done a fresh install of Gusty and enabled Compiz. Everything runs and looks great.. My first question is.. how can I get themes like I used to have using Beryl? I installed emerald theme manager, downloaded the non gpl themes and they work, BUT they arent changing the fonts on the menus, is this normal?
[08:41] <pqnet> i have a problem with gnome menu: no entries are shown, and I don't know what is that about. I think it has happened with last updates
[08:41] <usser> VousDeux: wow i think u might be able to conduct some elaborate scientific experiments with that thouchpad, such as weighing molecules atoms and stuff like that :)))
[08:41] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: have you checked along the F keys?  it usually hides in there (fn-f7 on my old one)
[08:41] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, oh...haha...thanks for making me look again
[08:41] <bazhang> compizconfig settings manager, terragna
[08:42] <terragna> i have that
[08:42] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, I just discovered which button to use with the fn combo to disable the touch pad
[08:42] <bazhang> alt + f2 compiz --replace &
[08:42] <VousDeux> I looked at that button dozens of times and never made the connection :)
[08:42] <bazhang> VousDeux: yessssss!
[08:43] <bazhang> thanks for sticking with it!
[08:43] <VousDeux> that is certainly helpful, but I would still like to know how to fix the problem
[08:43] <bazhang> terragna: ?
[08:43] <terragna> hmm i have the compiz settings manager -- my question is how to get themes for it the correct way.. ive installed emerald theme manager and have themes working, but they dont seem to theme the system's fonts
[08:44] <pqnet> vousdeux the problem is your touchpad is too sensitive or similar?
[08:44] <ConstyXIV> with compiz, is there any way to keep video from lagging behind moving windows?
[08:44] <bazhang> terragna: sudo apt-get install emerald-themes
[08:44] <terragna> that doesn't work
[08:44] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, and I cannot configure it because the device is not detected when X loads
[08:44] <terragna> but i dont want the themes, thats not the problem
[08:44] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: compiz-fusion?
[08:44] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: you can change the sensitivity in the mouse app, but i think that affects your mouse as well (not a problem if you don't always need a mouse)
[08:45] <VousDeux> pqnet, when I try to configure it, it says that shared memory is inaccessible
[08:45] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: yeah, the one in gutsy
[08:45] <terragna> the problem is when i select the theme, the window borders change and it looks great, but the menu colors and fonts do not
[08:45] <terragna> they stay human themed
[08:45] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: have a good video card?
[08:45] <ConstyXIV> terragna: you need to go into appearance and change them there
[08:45] <robinson> VousDeux: sorry, are you using Kubunu or Ubuntu? Just remembered, i had a friend with the same problem. He resolved it by installed KSynaptics to configure the touchpad
[08:45] <pqnet> vousdeux: I used to have such similar problems, it's a synaptic touchpad?
[08:45] <terragna> that's how it works?
[08:45] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: mobility radeon 9100
[08:46] <terragna> so emerald themes dont change font?
[08:46] <TheRepacker> terragna: those changes are made in the apperance>theme> customize
[08:46] <bazhang> wowza
[08:46] <VousDeux> Kubuntu, I have KSynaptics installed
[08:46] <ConstyXIV> robinson: and GSynaptics is the equivalent in gnome
[08:47] <rexy_> hmm is it possible to configure networkmanager so that it will try to autoconnect without running nm-applet?
[08:47] <VousDeux> I called the vendor, and they contacted the manufacturer. They are telling me that it is definitely a Synaptics touch pad
[08:47] <rexy_> atm it appears to be waiting with connecting till i start nm-applet
[08:47] <robinson> rexy: if you are having major issues with nm, remove it and try using wicd instead
[08:48] <robinson> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[08:48] <rexy_> i tried wicd, i didnt like it, plus according to what i've read NM is going to be with ubuntu for awhile as the default way to connect to the networks, so that is what i want to use
[08:48] <bazhang> wicd is wicked
[08:48] <rexy_> also, wicd doesnt autoconnect for me either
[08:48] <ConstyXIV> rexy_: there's always the old-fashioned network-admin
[08:49] <robinson> wicd should autoconnect to a network on all subsequent connections. Like in Windows, you must manually ocnnect the first time so it becomes a trusted source
[08:49] <rexy_> i'll have a peek at it, my goal is to configure nm and only use the applet if i need to configure a new network
[08:49] <robinson> or you could just use dhclient in console
[08:49] <VousDeux> Is there another support resource that I may be missing that would allow me to get some expert help?
[08:49] <rexy_> robinson: i configured a network, but it didnt autoconnect when the wicd daemons tarted
[08:50] <ConstyXIV> rexy_: once you configure network-admin, it autoconnects until you tell it otherwise
[08:50] <rexy_> robinson: dhclient requires me to first setup the wireless parameters?
[08:50] <rexy_> ConstyXIV: doesnt that always connect to the same AP then?
[08:50] <rexy_> or tries to anyway
[08:50] <pqnet> vousdeux when does this problem with touchpad has started?
[08:50] <ConstyXIV> rexy_: yeah, isin't that what youre trying to do?
[08:51] <VousDeux> pqnet, since I took the computer out of the box and installed Kubuntu (x86_64)
[08:51] <rexy_> ConstyXIV: i want a setup that autoconnects to known or open AP's, and where i can add configurations through a point & click interface i can run when and if i need it
[08:51] <robinson> for me, dhclient eth1 will usually connect to the strongest unsecured network available
[08:51] <robinson> you can manually configure using iwconfig
[08:52] <rexy_> NM seems to do that, only have to convince it to do it at boot, rather then wait for the applet to start
[08:52] <rexy_> robinson: doesnt that rely on a configured wpa_supplicant then?
[08:52] <robinson> Gutsy has been the first distro that allowed network-manager to work with ndiswrapper for me nad my BCM4319
[08:52] <robinson> not sure, i dont have any wpa encrypted networks.
[08:52] <robinson> I have on public and one WEP in my home
[08:52] <robinson> sorry, ONE public
[08:53] <rexy_> i use wpa at home, most uni's use wep in enterprise mode, and the AP's on the way use a plethora of different settings
[08:53] <robinson> i used to just use a MAC filter...
[08:54] <robinson> d@mn secure, not passwords or additional "software" to worry about
[08:54] <robinson> eliminates a lot of compatibility problems with connection soctware like NW or wicd
[08:54] <rexy_> yeah, takes one packet from you to A bump you of the network and B collect my own ip on your mac?
[08:55] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: about your problem--is it when you spin the transparent cube that the video lags, or when?
[08:55] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: pretty much anytime I move the video window.  cube, dragging, switchers, etc.
[08:56] <frank_> robinson: did you say WEP was secure?
[08:56] <rexy_> the whole spinning cube broke for me from tribe4 to beta :/, and the radeon driver is now unstable for me agian too, hope they manage to fix that before release
[08:57] <pqnet> vousdeux there is an entry about your synaptic touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:57] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: I think that's an issue for all distros--I've heard similar complaints in #suse, #mandriva, and so on. probably the best place to ask is the "experts" in #compiz-fusion
[08:57] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, I'll create a nopaste...
[08:58] <robinson> frank: no
[08:58] <pqnet> vousdeux nopaste??
[08:58] <robinson> it works okay enough, but anyone who realy wants in can collect enough packets and "construct" your WEP key
[08:58] <usser> wep is a joke
[08:59] <frank_> robinson: I know that's why I asked...
[08:59] <Leonekl> hello folks
[08:59] <rexy_> it's in use still, but they cycle the keys very often
[08:59] <Leonekl> anyone here having issues with the LOGoff icon
[08:59] <robinson> guess it depends on where you live. I dont have any ultra-secure info here, plus no one in this area knows how to do anything anyway
[08:59] <rexy_> well they should anywa
[08:59] <VousDeux> pqnet, http://nopaste.com/p/aRRpIG2Cab
[08:59] <Leonekl> not bringing up the option to restart or shutdown the os
[08:59] <Leonekl> it just freezes the pc
[08:59] <robinson> rexy, what was your comment about MAC filtering?
[08:59] <pqnet> oh funny!
[09:00] <robinson> is one able to pull a users MAC id from packets and clone it from his/her machine?
[09:00] <rexy_> that MAC filtering is trivial to get around, since anyone can bump anyone of a open/wep access point, and assume your mac
[09:00] <void^> robinson: yes
[09:00] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: ?
[09:00] <rexy_> robinson: as i said, i can tell the AP you are leaving, it will disconnect you, and i can get on
[09:01] <robinson> oh. I know very little about network security, obviosly. So, what is the best encrytion method to use?
[09:01] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: ??
[09:01] <rexy_> robinson: wpa or better
[09:01] <bazhang> did you see my comment above?
[09:01] <robinson> does NM support WPA?
[09:01] <rexy_> depends on your card
[09:01] <robinson> also, i wonder if my Nintendo Wii does...
[09:01] <pqnet> vousdeux you sure your touchpad is connected to /dev/psaux ?
[09:01] <robinson> using a bcm43xx with ndiswrapper
[09:01] <rexy_> yeah it should
[09:01] <bazhang> wii supports wpa
[09:01] <nosrednaekim> robinson: yeah.. it supports WPA
[09:01] <rexy_> dunno about broadcoms, i'd guess they would with ndiswrapper
[09:01] <VousDeux> pqnet, how can I answer that question?
[09:01] <bazhang> I have it going now.
[09:02] <rexy_> i dtiched my acx111 for a atheros card to get rid of ndiswrapper though
[09:02] <robinson> you got me curious.... how does one configure WPA in linux? I have read a lot abotu wpa supplicant, but guess i dont understand
[09:02] <rexy_> !wireless
[09:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:02] <pqnet> vousdeux go to console (no x: ctrl+alt+f2) and login
[09:02] <bazhang> it's all a dropdown menu now, used to be all console.
[09:02] <robinson> gotta go potty, be right back
[09:03] <rexy_> tmfi
[09:03] <pqnet> then as root do "cat /dev/psaux" and try move your touchpad
[09:03] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I'm logged in on tty2
[09:03] <pqnet> if funny characters come out then it's ok
[09:04] <bazhang> expert help arrives...
[09:04] <pqnet> press ctrl+c to exit from cat and "reset" to restore readable characters in terminal
[09:04] <bazhang> thanks pqnet!
[09:05] <robinson> appreciate the wpa docs, reading now
[09:06] <rexy_> there's a few good sticky's in the network+wireless section on ubuntuforums too robinson , they were a great help for me
[09:06] <frank_> robinson: did you tru network manager?
[09:06] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I did that
[09:06] <robinson> network manager is working for me
[09:06] <robinson> you mean to set up wpa?
[09:07] <frank_> robinson: yeah for wpa
[09:07] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: found it
[09:07] <speart> Is there any report on Gutsy stability right now?
[09:07] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=507332&highlight=mplayer+compiz
[09:07] <robinson> not yet. This will be my first adventure into WPA
[09:07] <ConstyXIV> speart: stable enough
[09:07] <VousDeux> pqnet, I did not see any funny characters
[09:08] <speart> k thx
[09:08] <ConstyXIV> speart: still, be careful with your data
[09:08] <robinson> my router offers WPA and WPA2 with personal and enterprise on both
[09:08] <pqnet> vousdeux so your touchpad is not connected to /dev/psaux
[09:08] <robinson> it is a Linksys WRT54G
[09:08] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: thanks! and thanks for helping out!
[09:08] <VousDeux> pqnet, sorry for the delay in response...I'm having trouble finding your comments because you did not mention my name in them
[09:09] <rexy_> you just need personal robinson
[09:09] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay so how do I figure out where it is connected?
[09:09] <steven_> why does the sound come through so bad?
[09:09] <pqnet> vousdeux do 'ls -l /dev/input/'
[09:09] <robinson> tkip or aes?
[09:10] <steven_> robinson, was that to me?
[09:10] <speart> Should I download Kde or Gnome?
[09:10] <bazhang> steven_: which sound?
[09:10] <steven_> speart, what do you want
[09:10] <robinson> to rexy
[09:10] <VousDeux> pqnet, there are about a dozen lines in the results
[09:10] <pqnet> vousdeux you should be seeing some mouseN entries
[09:10] <steven_> bazhang, Alsa, it worked fine in Feisty
[09:10] <speart> I want to install 64bit Gutsy
[09:10] <VousDeux> pqnet, I see three such entries
[09:10] <ConstyXIV> speart: i'm a gnome guy myself (and ubuntu is usally more gnome focused), but kde's fine too
[09:10] <speart> Tried Gnome 2.20 with latest oSuse
[09:11] <steven_> speart, they both are fine it depends what you want
[09:11] <VousDeux> pqnet, should I just try each of them until I see funny characters?
[09:11] <bazhang> steven_: this is a beta; if it's a bug I'm sure they will fix it
[09:11] <speart> NM. I'll install both
[09:11] <nosrednaekim> speart: KDE is OK in gutsy... doesn't have bullet proof X though.
[09:11] <nosrednaekim> speart: ;)
[09:12] <speart> What version of Kde Gutsy got?
[09:12] <steven_> bazhang, Seems to be the same alsa, I lowered PCM to 0 then muted then raised it, it seems a bit fixed
[09:12] <nosrednaekim> speart: just use GDM.
[09:12] <nosrednaekim> speart: 3.5.7
[09:12] <nosrednaekim> speart: and KDE4 is in the repositories
[09:12] <bazhang> steven_: I had the same issue when I did the last update, and tried the same workaround. Cheers!
[09:12] <pqnet> vousdeux yes, but usually they are set in random order so setting one of them to your touchpad could work not all times
[09:12] <speart> stable or bleeding edge?
[09:12] <steven_> bazhang, does it work
[09:13] <steven_> it half works for me
[09:13] <speart> KDE4..
[09:13] <VousDeux> pqnet, oh, bummer....better solution?
[09:13] <usser> speart: 3.5.7 is stable kde4 is beta
[09:13] <pqnet> vousdeux you have windows installed too, and it works in there?
[09:13] <nosrednaekim> speart: just the releases, no SVN
[09:13] <VousDeux> pqnet, I do not have windows installed
[09:13] <speart> thx
[09:13] <pqnet> vousdeux good!
[09:13] <bazhang> steven_: now it does, the last update reset it to zero, I just went in and manually adjusted it,a nd now it is ok.
[09:13] <bazhang> and
[09:13] <pqnet> vousdeux i'm thinking about a solution
[09:14] <VousDeux> pqnet, awesome...I appreciate your time!
[09:14] <pqnet> vousdeux which laptop brand and model are you using?
[09:15] <VousDeux> pqnet, it is Microstart MS-1719
[09:15] <VousDeux> oops
[09:15] <VousDeux> pqnet, Microstar even
[09:15] <robinson> gotta put it out there again.. Is there a way to map my volume keys to the PCM channel instead of master?
[09:15] <rexy_> hotkeys
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> robinson: sure, set PCM to be the default master
[09:16] <rexy_> aka keyboard shortcuts?
[09:16] <rexy_> not sure if volume pcm is inthere though
[09:16] <pqnet> vousdeux try 'dmesg | grep mouse'
[09:16] <robinson> i have set PCM to default through kmix. If i use kmix, all is well, but if i use the volume keys on the laptop, it affects master, which is not doing anything
[09:17] <steven_> bazhang, yeah its half working
[09:17] <bazhang> steven_: half?
[09:17] <rexy_> robinson: yeah same problem here, i think they are mapped through gnome-keybinding-properties
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> robinson: I am having problems with hotkeys myself..
[09:17] <VousDeux> [   18.219047]  input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0
[09:17] <VousDeux> [   18.219599]  mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[09:17] <steven_> bazhang, it still scratches a lot
[09:17] <bascule> robinson: I too have the volume prob in kde, goes from 11% to nothing and back ... no use :)
[09:18] <bazhang> steven_: I had that issue during the second round of updates (90 some or so), then it just went away--sounds fine now.
[09:18] <robinson> worked just fine in Feisty
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> bascule: same thing happened to me.... but now its gone!!
[09:18] <steven_> bazhang, we'll see
[09:18] <bascule> nosrednaekim: it works, or you have nothing at all?
[09:18] <robinson> if i could just remap the dang keys, that would at least be a workaround. Wonder if this only affects intel_hda sound
[09:18] <bazhang> steven_: by the way, I just did a fresh install of Gutsy, and there were 294 updates!
[09:18] <steven_> it only happens in rythmbox with music bazhang
[09:18] <bascule> robinson: I am intel_hda
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> bascule: robinson: I think you have to set your hotkeys in the mixer global shortcuts
[09:19] <steven_> yeah I had a lot of update
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. its all working good
[09:19] <VousDeux> pqnet, I just thought of something...I had my touch pad disabled when I did the cat /dev/psaux/ command
[09:19] <bazhang> steven_: get amarok! just kidding....
[09:19] <rexy_> whats this registry like gnome thing called again? i added hotkeys and assigned functions in there, you could use that to change the pcm volume
[09:19] <VousDeux> pqnet, I'm going to try it again
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> rexy_: gconf?
[09:19] <robinson> global shortcuts are only present for Master channel.
[09:19] <steven_> bazhang, wouldn't fix the problem I don't think. KDE is mean anywho.
[09:19] <bascule> rexy_: gconf2-editor
[09:20] <robinson> the Master channel, if i adjust it, does not adjust the sound at all
[09:20] <VousDeux> pqnet, I did see funny characters
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> steven_: do try amarok... it might be a gstreamer issue
[09:20] <bazhang> steven_: I know; I was kidding....sorry.
[09:20] <pqnet> vousdeux ok
[09:21] <pqnet> vousdeux this is a very good news
[09:21] <VousDeux> pqnet, sorry about that
[09:21] <bascule> nosrednaekim: tried that in kmix, no joy
[09:21] <nosrednaekim> bascule: yeah... it didn't work right away for me either... I think it took a reboot or relogin.
[09:22] <rexy_> if you set the main mixer thing to use pcm instead of master, doesnt gnome map it right for you?
[09:22] <bascule> ah OK
[09:22] <robinson> using kde
[09:22] <robinson> is this an alsa issue?
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> robinson: no... I think its a KDE problem
[09:23] <bascule> nosrednaekim: it said XF86{Raise,Lower}Volume when i hit the key combos, so need X restart seems reasonable
[09:23] <rexy_> i'd say it's a keybinding issue, your sliders work fine i suppose, it's the mapping of the keys to the right function that's wrong
[09:23] <bazhang> pqnet: the voodoo that you do is great!
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> bascule: indeed....
[09:24] <robinson> rexy: not quite. If i am playing music and move the Master slider all the way down, the volume remains unchanged. It is only affected if i move the PCM slider
[09:24] <pqnet> bazhang you tried it?
[09:25] <robinson> just tried it using alsamixer in the konsole while amarok is playing. Same thing, Must use PCM instead of Master
[09:25] <bazhang> yes..pqnet; had the same trouble, but was with configuring a usb game controller--I could never have done what you just did. serious kudos. Thanks.
[09:25] <pqnet> vousdeux so if you try to configure your mousepad you get an error?
[09:25] <rexy_> robinson: ah like that, i have the same i think
[09:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> does anybody know if gutsy will have the CFS?
[09:26] <robinson> it used to be that both sliders have an affect on the actual volume.
[09:26] <rexy_> altough the master does affect the pcm if the pcm is way up i still get some sound
[09:26] <bascule> nah, now I got no hotkeys :)
[09:26] <bazhang> picard_pwns_kirk: no
[09:26] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, it will say that shared memory is inaccessible, and the xorg.0.log says the device was not detected so the synaptics driver was unloaded
[09:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> dang
[09:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> thanks
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> bascule: NONE?
[09:27] <bascule> well no sound
[09:27] <bascule> I have sound no volume hotkeys .. I'll get there in the end
[09:27] <pqnet> vousdeux you restarted X server after adding  Option "SHMConfig" "on"
[09:27] <rexy_> hah you have internet, so 90% of the problem is already solved :)
[09:27] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, many times
[09:28] <VousDeux> pqnet, I suspect that she shared memory is inaccessible because the driver was unloaded
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> bascule: hummm my hot key is called XF86RaiseVolume for the increase key and <the same>Lower<the same> for the lower key
[09:29] <bascule> yeah thats them
[09:29] <VousDeux> pqnet, would you like to see a nopaste of the xorg.0.log?
[09:29] <pqnet> vousdeux if the driver was unloaded there's no way the shared memory is useful
[09:29] <pqnet> vousdeux it would be useful
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> bascule: ah... I was confused by your notation
[09:30] <bascule> it wasn't accurate :)
[09:32] <VousDeux> pqnet, http://nopaste.com/p/arWr0KHxt
[09:43] <rfcompte> hi
[09:43] <veresch> Folks, I just installed Ubuntu 7.04 and i am getting thousands of messages like this in my syslog: Oct  6 15:38:53 ubuntu2 kernel: [  450.118335]  scsi(0): [R|Z] IO update completion., does anyone know what might be causing it and if ther eis a way for me to turn this logging off?
[09:44] <rfcompte> i'm running gutsy beta, I upgraded the kernel and the gnome brightness applet suddenly stopped working. I have a vaio laptop
[09:44] <rfcompte> any ideas?
[09:45] <rfcompte> veresch: you want #ubuntu
[09:45] <rfcompte> this one is for gutsy
[09:45] <SoulChild> hey all, doesn't the vga parameter work anymore with new kernel 2.6.22-13 ????
[09:46] <veresch> ok thanks
[09:46] <kRush> !stages
[09:46] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:46] <kRush> grml
[09:47] <Suurorca> someone tell me how in the hell is ref to restricted-modules an answer to a question about grub vga-mode option ;P
[09:47] <kRush> Suurorca, sorry that was totally for my own information
[09:48] <rfcompte> so how do i make my brightness applet work again with the kernel upgrade?
[09:48] <majnoon> ok tried to install nvidia's driver and it says it can't find version.h
[09:48] <bascule> kernel sources
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux you still here?
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes
[09:55] <majnoon> in vesa now :(
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux try cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep Syn -B1 -A7
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, nothing was output to the screen
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux so the kernel didn't recognize your touchpad as Synaptic
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, that sounds reasonable to me
[09:55] <kRush> Upgradeable (upstream) in Synaptic means what exactly?
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux try nopasting the output of cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, I called the vendor, and they contacted the manufacturer, they assure me that it is a Synaptics
[09:55] <VousDeux> okay
[09:55] <kyja> so where do I go to tell developers that my hp's hyper threading still over clocks my cpu and shuts my power off?
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, http://nopaste.com/p/angX0GPfk
[09:55] <pwnguin> hp.com?
[09:55] <mahrellon> Is it just me who end up with Non working NV-glx and a broken Compiz after the latest updates for GG?
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, I wanted to try the ALPS driver, but I couldn't figure out how
[09:55] <kRush> kyja, file a bug if there is none already
[09:55] <kyja> but whrere kRush ?
[09:55] <kRush> !stages | mahrellon
[09:55] <ubotu> mahrellon: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux you have no other mouse connected now?
[09:55] <kRush> !bug | kyja
[09:55] <ubotu> kyja: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, I have a Logitech connected to the USB
[09:56] <kyja> thx
[09:57] <guardian_> hi
[09:57] <mahrellon> kRush, Thanks for clearing that up. I'd better go back to Feisty Fawn instead since I'm a former Windows User (who refuses to go back to the evil clutches of Microsoft) and I've only been using Ubuntu for a month or two so I don't know how to compile drivers :(
[09:58] <guardian_> i installed gcc 4.2 on my gutsy, however i'm surprised there is no update-alternatives for it
[09:58] <guardian_> what's an easy way to update the symlinks ?
[09:58] <bazhang> hi mahrellon
[09:58] <mahrellon> Hey bazhang =)
[09:58] <mahrellon> How's it going m8?
[09:58] <bazhang> mahrellon: good and you? How's your gutsy?
[09:59] <pqnet> vousdeux try "sudo rmmod psmouse" and then "sudo modprobe -v psmouse"
[09:59] <savvas> ah bazhang i remembered, you wanted a restricted drivers manager for kde right?
[09:59] <pqnet> vousdeux and tell me which output do you get
[09:59] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay
[09:59] <savvas> bazhang: restricted-manager-kde should be in kubuntu
[09:59] <mahrellon> It's gutted! I'm rolling back to Feisty for a few more days untill the real deal is out. I just hope I can manage to snag the new DC++ packages from Gutsy and install them on my FF =)
[09:59] <bazhang> savvas: you can install it.
[10:00] <savvas> bazhang: I think you were the one who asked
[10:00] <kRush> mahrellon, I'm already seeing the necessary updates. but if something driver related happens there's always an easy temporary fix, just change "nividia" to "nv" in xorg.conf to get back into your desktop (but without 3d)
[10:00] <VousDeux> pqnet, insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko
[10:00] <bazhang> savvas: was I? this whole Gutsy thing has my head spinning.
[10:01] <mahrellon> kRush, that's the problem. I'm currently quite addicted to World of Warcraft (slap self) so I really need the 3d. :)
[10:01] <VousDeux> pqnet, man...I wish I knew about half of what you have probably forgotten :)
[10:01] <kRush> mahrellon, hehe. runs nicely for you? my wow performance is the sh*t under linux =(
[10:02] <rfcompte_> hi, i'm having trouble with the kernel upgrade, can any one give me a hand?
[10:02] <savvas> 11:36:07< bazhang> savvas: all I see is choosing the card; where can I get the drivers?
[10:02] <savvas> :p
[10:02] <pqnet> vousdeux your mouse is detected as "ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse". The problem could be a compatibility setting in BIOS
[10:02] <mahrellon> kRush, mine works like a charm. I don't even suffer from any fps-drop at all when using latest wine+compiz fusion. Did you start your wow with "wine /yada/yada/WoW.exe -OpenGL"?
[10:02] <VousDeux> pqnet, maybe I should have mentioned that there were also a number of line feeds after the result
[10:03] <pqnet> vousdeux you should search for such compatibility option in bios
[10:03] <kRush> mahrellon, yeah. dunno if it's my card (7800gt) or something else. but 30 cherky fps on hellfire peninsula =/
[10:03] <bazhang> savvas: restricted-manager-kde - manage non-free hardware drivers - KDE frontend
[10:03] <bazhang> doh!
[10:04] <pqnet> vousdeux 2 last tries: first, try again "cat /proc/bus/input/devices  | grep Syn -B1 -A7" now
[10:04] <VousDeux> pqnet, the BIOS on this thing is very simple and I have read through it multiple times...I have never seen such an option in there
[10:05] <VousDeux> pqnet, no response from that command
[10:06] <mahrellon> kRush, hmm only 30? I have a 7950GT (Not much faster than a 7800gt) and I get a stable 50fps. Try to disable "World glow" and add "SET weatherDensity "0"" in your config.wtf. That's what made my Wow really rub some funk on the fps =D
[10:06] <pqnet> vousdeux second, try to reboot without wireless keyboard/mouse plugged in, and try again that command. If it has response it can be a conflict between the two drivers
[10:06] <pqnet> vousdeux other things I cannot think about now
[10:07] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I'll give it a try...I have tried rebooting without wireless mouse before, but it still did not change the performance of the touch pad
[10:07] <pqnet> vousdeux all your settings seems to be correct, this is a kernel/hardware problem
[10:07] <kRush> mahrellon, thx will try that once my 3d is back ^^
[10:08] <mahrellon> kRush, hehe. Good luck m8. Be sure to google for "config.wtf settings" to find even more funky stuff. (Like mouselagFix) =)
[10:08] <VousDeux> pqnet, how can I get someone to look at it from the kernel perspective?
[10:08] <rexy_> whats the purpose of the gnome-settings-daemon?
[10:08] <pqnet> you should get some output from "cat /proc/bus/input/devices  | grep Syn -B1 -A7". It could be it's a new model of touchpad not yet implemented from driver
[10:08] <pqnet> vousdeux forgot adding your name to message
[10:09] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I'll try rebooting without the wireless now...brb
[10:09] <pqnet> vousdeux or it could be an issue related to 64bit. Try get a live cd of a 32-bit version, and try "cat /proc/bus/input/devices  | grep Syn -B1 -A7" on that one
[10:09] <pqnet> vousdeux wait!
[10:09] <savvas> is the restricted modules resolved?
[10:09] <VousDeux> pqnet, waiting...
[10:10] <savvas> ah anyway, restarting
[10:10] <VousDeux> pqnet, I tried the 32-bit live cd, but I did not try that command on it
[10:10] <majnoon> ok tried to install nvidia's driver and it says it can't find version.h
[10:10] <savvas> majnoon: are you trying to install a driver from nvidia.com ?
[10:10] <frostburn> looks like your kernel headers are missing
[10:11] <guardian> please, i installed gcc 4.2 on my gutsy, however i'm surprised there is no update-alternatives for it, is there an easy way to update all the symlinks ?
[10:11] <pqnet> vousdeux I have to go now, it's dinner time. See you later, or in next days in this channel, I'm looking for a solution of my problem too, so i'll be there in those days. You'll tell me if you're successful with your trials.
[10:11] <VousDeux> pqnet, I will also check the BIOS again while I'm rebooting, but I'm fairly certain there is nothing there
[10:12] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay...thanks so much for your time and effort
[10:12] <VousDeux> pqnet, you have helped me to verify what I suspected was true
[10:12] <pqnet> vousdeux most probably the driver for this touchpad is not in the kernel yet, so you'll have to wait for kernel devs to add it
[10:12] <pqnet> vousdeux see you!
[10:13] <VousDeux> pqnet, cya
[10:14] <Hammy> Hi
[10:14] <Hammy> how long does the update take??!!
[10:15] <Hammy> im at 625/1015
[10:15] <Hammy> its at fetching the upgrades
[10:15] <rexy_> depends on your connection
[10:15] <Hammy> DSL
[10:15] <Hammy> 100Mbps???
[10:16] <rexy_> did you select a proper mirror?
[10:16] <Hammy> it been on for about 20mins and not it says 27min left
[10:16] <Hammy> no i used the one that they gave me
[10:16] <rexy_> Hammy seems fine, it can take up to an hour
[10:16] <Hammy> on the offical website
[10:16] <Hammy> oh ok then
[10:16] <Hammy> thats all i need to know lolz
[10:16] <Hammy> bye
[10:17] <rexy_> bye
[10:17] <ppj> i want my nvidia
[10:21] <ffixxx> hi is there an easy way to enable compiz(-fusion) in kubuntu gutsy?
[10:21] <bazhang> yes!
[10:21] <stdin> ffixxx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion follow that, ignoring the repositories section
[10:22] <ffixxx> thabnks
[10:22] <bazhang> stdin: I found that less than complete.
[10:22] <stdin> bazhang: then update it, it is a wiki after all
[10:22] <bazhang> stdin: really? anyone can do it?
[10:23] <stdin> bazhang: as long as you have a launchpad account
[10:23] <bazhang> stdin: I thought it was only members/devs?
[10:23] <stdin> (which you should)
[10:23] <bazhang> stdin: thanks!
[10:23] <bazhang> ffixx
[10:23] <bazhang> ffixxx: you still here?
[10:23] <ffixxx> yeah
[10:23] <bazhang> stdin: thanks again!
[10:24] <bazhang> have you installed compizconfig settings manager?
[10:24] <bazhang> hi VousDeux!
[10:24] <VousDeux> hello
[10:24] <stdin> "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[10:25] <tokorona> I havea quick question, then I'll go back to what I was doing. Does anyone know where KDE Keeps it's menu file?
[10:25] <bazhang> stdin: thanks again.
[10:25] <ffixxx> yeah
[10:25] <ffixxx> though is nt there something like beryl manager?
[10:25] <bazhang> ffixxx: do you know how to install software?
[10:25] <stdin> tokorona: couple places, /usr/share/applications/kde and /usr/share/applnk
[10:25] <tokorona> Thank you
[10:25] <ffixxx> yup
[10:26] <bazhang> using the console, or synaptic/adept?
[10:26] <ffixxx> whichever....
[10:26] <bazhang> both?
[10:26] <ffixxx> both
[10:26] <bazhang> cool.
[10:27] <rhalff> hi, I just changed to gutsy, and I'm trying the xen kernel, however it hangs complaining about ATA3 timing out, I have no problem with the normal kernel.
[10:27] <tokorona> .. weird. (I'm trying to figure out why my KMenu no longer renders correctly.)
[10:28] <tokorona> (As in, every entry is ":_ Entries in K-Menu..." it's relatively minor, but ..)
[10:28] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald emerald-themes
[10:28] <bazhang> paste that into a terminal window and enter your password when prompted.
[10:29] <bazhang> ffixxx: still there?
[10:29] <ffixxx> okay
[10:29] <bazhang> did you do it?
[10:30] <ffixxx> yup they were already installed
[10:30] <bazhang> ffixxx: you're using kde?
[10:30] <ffixxx> yeah and sometimes xfce
[10:30] <bazhang> best do this in kde;
[10:31] <bazhang> hit alt + f2 keys at the same time, then in the window that appears, type compiz --replace &
[10:31] <stdin> you'll want compiz-kde too
[10:31] <ffixxx> i m using kde right now
[10:31] <bazhang> stdin: that's included in the dependencies.
[10:32] <stdin> bazhang: you sure?
[10:32] <bazhang> or maybe not. no, you're right.
[10:32] <bazhang> sorry.
[10:32] <riotkittie> sweet. screen resolution changer is suddenly not changing my resolutions. <3
[10:32] <bazhang> just suggested. stdin my bad.
[10:33] <bazhang> ffixxx: after that, hit alt & f2 again, then type in the window that appears emerald --replace &
[10:35] <bazhang> then go to kmenu, settings, and there will be only two entries, one for compizconfig settings manager and the other for emerald--choose ccsm and then scroll down and check the box window decoration (if you don't have any that is).
[10:36] <ffixxx> advanced desktop effects setting ?
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> ffixxx: yeah
[10:36] <bazhang> ffixxx: yup
[10:36] <bazhang> then go to town!
[10:37] <luca> hi everyone
[10:37] <ffixxx> how do i make it start every session? and btw wobbly is not working eventhough I enabled it...
[10:37] <luca> does someone have still problems with dual-core/Nvidia?
[10:37] <bazhang> you'll need to check the key bindings for each one, by clicking on the effect you want (don't choose paint fire!) and then hitting the tab marked key bindings--the super key is the former (ha!) Windows key.
[10:38] <bazhang> ffixxx: it will start every session, or it will when its up to date...
[10:39] <ffixxx> okay thanks
[10:39] <bazhang> ffixxx: my favorites are the ring switcher, and the group tab and windows. rotating cube is so five minutes ago..yawn.
[10:39] <bazhang> luca: what's wrong?
[10:40] <bazhang> no problem.
[10:40] <luca> bazhang: after upgrade today (kernel upgrade) I do not have dual-core or nvidia functioning
[10:40] <luca> I still have a graphic interface, but the thing buggers me
[10:41] <bazhang> luca: how high do you have the resolution cranked to?
[10:41] <luca> bazhang: still 1440x900, that at least is okay :)
[10:42] <bazhang> luca: I don't know; you're pushing the envelope of technologies here...sometimes beta stuff breaks...haha
[10:43] <luca> bazhang I know :P the problem is, I guess, they still have to update the mirrors...I hope...
[10:43] <bazhang> luca: do you have the rotating cube sharing the two heads (I'm guessing)?
[10:43] <luca> I would if I had a functioning nvidia driver :)
[10:44] <bazhang> luca: guaranteed breakage city!
[10:44] <rhalff> Kenny3, vmware
[10:44] <riot_le> hi  @all, anyone get a Segmentation Fault by starting totem (xine)?
[10:45] <bazhang> hi ffixxx!
[10:45] <riot_le> same problem with gedit
[10:46] <luca> and tracker-search-tool
[10:46] <rhalff> hm, I thought i've upgraded to gutsy, but only did an apt-get upgrade after changing the sources, in what state is the system then ? I'm now running apt-get dist-upgrade..
[10:47] <luca> that one should fix it
[10:47] <riot_le> tracker-search-tool works fine, but gedit and totem crash immediatly after start
[10:47] <bazhang> rhalff: that only works after 10/18
[10:47] <tokorona> so. hmm. I'm getting a weird "_:Entry" error when nothing I'm looking at has something like that..
[10:48] <rhalff> bazhang, what only works ? dist-upgrade will fail ?
[10:48] <VousDeux> if the compizconfig settings manager is not on my menu, what do I have to do?
[10:48] <bazhang> rhalff: gutsy is development, not final.
[10:48] <bazhang> so yes.
[10:49] <riot_le> yes its still in dev but in beta-stat a system should work
[10:49] <rhalff> bazhang, yes ok, I know that.
[10:49] <luca> ah! tell that to KDE4...and I am a KDE-strict huy :-/
[10:49] <riot_le> not everything fine but it should work
[10:50] <bazhang> riot_le: not too many worries here; they fixed a broken cupsys and GIMP and uploaded it servers around the globe in just a few hours...haha
[10:50] <bazhang> to servers.
[10:51] <riot_le> yes i saw it, but i search launchpad and internet to find a Solution for my probs but found nothing
[10:54] <bascule> ok, what causes right click -> properties to show pretty much exactly 2*usage that du -h does?
[11:04] <riotkittie> sweet. 171 updates.
[11:05] <bascule> ;)
[11:05] <arnath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39801/ <- getting this when installing amarok
[11:06] <bascule> arnath: gotta try a different mirror
[11:08] <void^> it's looking for old versions, run an update
[11:10] <arnath> its fixed, i set it to main server
[11:10] <arnath> ran fine now
[11:10] <bazhang> yay!
[11:11] <arnath> :)
[11:11] <arnath> o while im here, two tiny problems
[11:11] <arnath> pidgin -> the text field to type in is like 1 or 2 pixels too small and when typing in it, the text "wobbles" up & down (very annoying)
[11:12] <arnath> so i have to change the input field size with the mouse everytime (since it doesnt seem to remember previous size)
[11:12] <arnath> can i fix this?
[11:12] <redheat> everyone..does anyone of you use trillian for chatting?
[11:12] <Dr_willis> heh - not heard of trillian in ages
[11:13] <arnath> too cumbersome for my needs
[11:13] <arnath> pidgin is kickass
[11:13] <sinX_> trillian Astra is pretty slick!
[11:13] <redheat> yeah, I know Dr-Willis, I had to use it instead of Mirc since it went commercial, and its the only chat client I use when trying to connect from windows
[11:13] <redheat> absolutely its cool
[11:14] <arnath> well, my other problem: the fontsize of the "title" of the windows is way too small (by title i mean the bar above the window which you can use to drag etc)
[11:14] <arnath> its almost unreadable
[11:14] <bascule> redheat: hydra is quite a nice wndows client
[11:14] <arnath> and the buttons are tiny as well
[11:14] <redheat> well thank you all folks, take care and have a nice day
[11:14] <Dr_willis> redheat,  xchat is avilable for WIndows  (several versions of xchat even )
[11:14] <bascule> of course they are all rubbish compared to irssi
[11:15] <sinX_> arnath: system/prefs/appearance/font
[11:15] <Dr_willis> of if ya got a machine in the basement with linux. ya can open up other ways to get to irc. :)
[11:15] <arnath> sinX_: they are all set to the same :|
[11:15] <arnath> and yet every other font is visible
[11:15] <arnath> just the title bar one isnt
[11:15] <sinX_> arnath: set window title font bigger
[11:15] <masura> hi all
[11:15] <bazhang> hi masura!
[11:15] <masura> Some (possibly silly) questions:
[11:16] <arnath> sinX_: seems to have done the trick, thanks
[11:16] <masura> I'm running Gutsy on a Dell Inspiron 6400, which has a Radeon Mobility X1400
[11:16] <riotkittie> trillian was cool way back before  i became a virtual hermit.
[11:16] <sinX_> np
[11:16] <masura> in failsafe mode, I can get resolutions up to 1400x1050
[11:17] <masura> but using fglrx, all I can get is 640x480
[11:17] <masura> is this a known problem?
[11:17] <arnath> *suddenly all ears*
[11:17] <arnath> i have a 1400 myself and have been considering switchin my laptop to linux as well :D
[11:17] <arnath> did you get the correct ati drivers?
[11:17] <masura> well, its a PITA
[11:17] <arnath> pita?
[11:18] <masura> pain in the *ss
[11:18] <arnath> o
[11:18] <rexy_> preemptive !lanuge
[11:18] <arnath> damn :<
[11:18] <bazhang> pain in the ###
[11:18] <rexy_> to late :P
[11:18] <masura> :p
[11:18] <Dr_willis> Pita - that bread they put Gyros's in! its yummy
[11:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:18] <masura> yummy idd
[11:18] <VousDeux> so many annoying little issues, I don't know if I can stand waiting 6-months for a new release, and then not even knowing if it will work then either
[11:18] <masura> but a X1400 isnt
[11:18] <arnath> masura: is only the 3D card annoying of you mean in general?
[11:19] <Dr_willis> i still see compiz as very much a work in progreess.. :) even if its said to be 'useable'
[11:19] <masura> Everything seems to work, except for graphics
[11:19] <arnath> ah
[11:19] <arnath> Dr_willis: compiz is working absolutely ace here
[11:19] <Dr_willis> you never are sure if the 'quirk' you are seeing is a compiz issue.. or some other issue.. so step #1 is to always disalbe compiz
[11:19] <masura> arnath: even the keyboard keys for volume up/down work
[11:20] <arnath> nice :o
[11:20] <ffixxx> i have another question, i want to install the latest nvidia driver nvidia-glx-new but xorg won't start
[11:20] <masura> heh
[11:20] <ffixxx> it copmplains about a kernel module mismatch
[11:20] <arnath> i think ill wait till gutsy goes stable
[11:20] <arnath> then maybe switch :p
[11:20] <masura> this is my brothers laptop
[11:20] <Dr_willis> arnath,  ive had issues with the 'vncclient' dialog not taking the input to enter the password. and some how  when some compiz settings are enabled.. using the 'tab' key in a gnome-terminal window. will 'dim' the window on the laptop. :)
[11:20] <sinX_> ffixxx: try using the restricted driver
[11:20] <masura> and I'm trying to move him over to Linux
[11:20] <Dr_willis> arnath,  just annoyances. :) well the vnc thing is a big annoyance
[11:20] <bazhang> laters folks...
[11:20] <arnath> :D
[11:21] <arnath> well i am safe...for now :|
[11:21] <masura> bye bazhang
[11:21] <arnath> though ive had my fair share of gutsy problems
[11:21] <Dr_willis> si i imagine theres dozens of other little issues here and there.
[11:21] <arnath> the most annoying being -> my network card just up & died
[11:21] <ffixxx> the one the restricted manager offers me is too old
[11:21] <VousDeux> ffixxx, I saw that last week, I had just updated the kernel and had to download the current nvidia driver
[11:21] <bascule> it's a computer running software,loads of issues :)
[11:21] <arnath> it was on eth1 and (though i got immense help from people on #ubuntu and here) it just wouldnt budge
[11:21] <arnath> i had to put in another lan card to get online :|
[11:21] <ffixxx> it has that annoying black window bug
[11:21] <Dr_willis> arnath,  ive had samba issues with gutsy on and off also.. ;(
[11:22] <arnath> samba has (so far) worked amazingly well
[11:22] <Dr_willis> You mean the actual card died eh? :)
[11:22] <arnath> Dr_willis: the card still works ok, cause its a dual boot windows and win has no problems
[11:22] <Dr_willis> samba 'worked' but would timeout when trying to access some of the shares on the lan.
[11:22] <arnath> :s
[11:22] <Dr_willis> it would time out instantly..
[11:22] <arnath> i actually had a very slow connection to my usb drive the other day, though i dnno if it was samba
[11:22] <arnath> didnt think so at the time, but now youre making me wonder
[11:23] <bastid_raZor> after entering gksu "update-manager -c -d" i get warning :could not initiate dbus .. is this an error worthy of waiting till the official release is out?
[11:23] <atlfalcons866> is it normal to have 120 updates a day
[11:23] <Dr_willis> the forums implied ti was a samba config setting.. but i was using the default config, and how could the samba config affect the fuse-samba stuff, and kde, and gnomes samba browsers. and the samba client command...
[11:24] <Dr_willis> atlfalcons866,  for beta software - yes. :)
[11:24] <atlfalcons866> ok
[11:24] <satafterh> did they fix the install issue with 8800 nvidia cards
[11:24] <Dr_willis> Its bug-squishing week.
[11:24] <Dr_willis> satafterh,  it installed fine with my 8800gtsXXX
[11:24] <bascule> is the relese the 17th?
[11:24] <Dr_willis> bascule,  thats the target i think. Not heard of any delays
[11:24] <bascule> thanks
[11:25] <bascule> !schedule
[11:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:26] <arnath> so far, its been a v good beta imho
[11:26] <bascule> that top link is 12 months out of date :)
[11:26] <arnath> i had waaaay more trouble with feisty on the release day then i did wiv gutsy in beta :D
[11:27] <tokorona> I'm having fun with gutsy, yes. I had to reinstall ndiswrapper to get it work fine and beyond that, just the KDE menu goofup is bothering me.
[11:27] <tokorona> (granted, ndiswrapperi s always picky.)
[11:27] <bascule> tokorona: what menu goof?
[11:27] <bastid_raZor> i've heard the error :warning could not initiate dbus" affected mainly  cups .. preventing it from updating
[11:28] <tokorona> It's displaying "_:Entries in KMenu: Stirgi.." for anything that's default or KDE based
[11:28] <bascule> in gnome?
[11:28] <tokorona> IT's nto doing it for Add/Remove Programs, xchat, gimp, emacs, maelstron, lincity, firefox, xchat, etc..
[11:28] <tokorona> no, KDE.
[11:29] <tokorona> I run Kubuntu
[11:29] <bascule> me too, not seeing it
[11:29] <tokorona> yeah, that's what's irking me. I ran KMenuedit..
[11:29] <tokorona> .. and it's showing nothing wrong.
[11:29] <bascule> icon/theme issue?
[11:30] <tokorona> hmm. It could be, although I didn't alter my theme or anything.. let me look at the theme display
[11:30] <bascule> I've had annoyances like that with incomplete icon sets
[11:30] <arnath> something strange, when i have an app on workspace 2 or 3 and i wanna move it to 4, it always goes to 1 :|
[11:31] <arnath> and only once its in one, can i move it to 4
[11:31] <Dr_willis> that sounds like a compiz thang.
[11:31] <arnath> ah :p
[11:31] <bascule> arnath: I believe there is some workspac bug in compiz, tell it in general that you want 5 workspaces
[11:32] <Dr_willis> compiz has settings for the # of workspaces.. but i think that kdes own workspace settings.. can sort of cause conflicts
[11:32] <arnath> amarok shows a popup saying what song its playing ay? although this is nice generally speaking, can i turn it off when workin/playing?
[11:32] <arnath> ah wel, its no biggy
[11:32] <Dr_willis> check the amarok settings yet?
[11:32] <bascule> ccsm - general - desktop size
[11:32] <Dr_willis> the OSD feature i think has a check box somewher and other settings
[11:32] <arnath> Dr_willis: i was taking the lame road :<
[11:33] <dennda> err "xrandr -o left" doesn't work with latest updates...
[11:33] <dennda> worked quite fine up to now
 http://www.mixupload.com  loads of free electronica and dance music </offtopic>
[11:35] <bascule> there is just so much top-quality stuff there I had to say something :)
[11:35] <arnath> what a plot...Two young teens' real selves are invisible to others, one due to his untimely death and the other due to the neglect she's endured since the death of her mother.
[11:36] <arnath> hmm, ww it seems :|
[11:36] <Dr_willis> arnath,  sounds chearfull.
[11:36] <bascule> lol
[11:36] <arnath> sounds horrid no? :D
[11:37] <ffixxx> argh i still can't get nvidia-glx-new to work
[11:38] <ffixxx> where are those kernel modules?
[11:39] <bascule> running an update, the battery has been removed pops up, it hasn't ..
[11:39] <Dr_willis> bascule,  cant seem to get the site to play muzak. :(
[11:40] <dennda> err forget what i said. this was due to my stupidity
[11:40] <wsjunior> wireless with bcm43xx doesnt work here anymore after latest update, is this a know problem?
[11:40] <DM|> Figured id try again..
[11:40] <DM|> Anyone here use 1680x1050 resolution running gutsy?
[11:40] <bascule> Dr_willis: well ther is a cool trick I will share with you, in the second box it says flashvars file=http://some.url , copy that infront of wget, hit return, sit back, wait for the music .. :)
[11:41] <vmlinuz`> is it better to keep gutsy updated by the X Update Manager, or by apt-get?
[11:41] <vmlinuz`> or both are the same?
[11:41] <DM|> wsjunior there was a kernel update, try booting through grub to -12 kernel
[11:41] <DM|> wsjunior that should do the trick for now
[11:41] <Dr_willis> i hear the update-manager is best for some reason..
[11:41] <wsjunior> DM|: thanks :)
[11:41] <vmlinuz`> Dr_willis: okay
[11:41] <wsjunior> i noticed the new kernel but didnt know that it had problems with bcm43xx
[11:43] <DM|> wsjunior restriced modules, try looking in synaptic and install the new restricted modules
[11:43] <DM|> bah he quit
[11:46] <DM|> sigh
[11:46] <DM|> Anyone here use 1680x1050 resolution running gutsy?
[11:46] <VousDeux> that is the only resolution that works for me
[11:47] <Dr_willis> bascule,  there we go.. needed to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:47] <bascule> Dr_willis: I see, but that grab the file trick is nice for adding to the collection
[11:48] <bascule> i like the lounge a downtempo stuff mostly, if you like kenny G check out Mister Fabio, *awesome*
[11:48] <pbx> I just wanted to follow up on my earlier question, in case anybody cares, where my machine was running for 1 sec and then freezing for .25 seconds. I had put some bad code in my wmiirc for the status bar, which refreshes once per second... :)
[11:48] <Dr_willis> bascule,  what second box? heh :)
[11:48] <bascule> hang on
[11:50] <bascule> under the track lists some thing that looks like this http://www.1clickcd.com/upload_files/mixupload/file-52963-1191600313.mp3
[11:50] <bascule> flash vars file= bit
[11:50] <Dr_willis> ok.. Not in the player....
[11:50] <bascule> no
[11:51] <bascule> i don't play them on the site, just grab them, I limit myself to a few a week to not annoy them, but it is very nice :)
[11:51] <vmlinuz`> does ubuntu needs a swap partition
[11:51] <Dr_willis> in the    Suport and promote this media and .... 'html' code area eh?
[11:51] <ffixxx> argh noone nows how to get the latest nvidia drivers running?
[11:52] <Dr_willis> vmlinuz`,  its a good idea to have a small swap Part . Yes.
[11:52] <vmlinuz`> Dr_willis: I checked my partitions, looks like i don't have one.
[11:53] <Dr_willis> its not NEEDED.. but its a good idea
[11:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:53] <vmlinuz`> i have 2gb of ram tho
[11:53] <Dr_willis> i tend to just put a 512mb swap partition on every hd i got . On every machine..
[11:53] <Dr_willis> vmlinuz`,  so. :) its still a good idea.
[11:54] <Dr_willis> live cd's can use the swap partitions also.
[11:54] <vmlinuz`> my partitioning is horrible
[11:54] <Dr_willis> this gets debated every so often in the various linux foruims/mailing lists.
[11:54] <arnath> ffixxx: i just enabled it in the restricted thingy
[11:54] <bascule> Dr_willis: yeah that bit promote the DJ thingy, scroll carefully down and highlight from http:// to the .mp3 at the end, usually before &lightcolour
[11:54] <arnath> ffixxx: worked great
[11:54] <Dr_willis> Even if linux isent using the swap. its benficial for it to have it.
[11:54] <arnath> ffixxx: other option is downloading them from nvidia site
[11:54] <Dr_willis> bascule,  yea.. looks like a job for GREP! :)
[11:54] <Dr_willis> file=http://www.1clickcd.com/upload_files/mixupload/file-53110-1191528814.mp3
[11:55] <alecwh> I'm trying to get my sound working on ALSA, so I found a guide here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131133/comments/61 . After I cd to the directory, and type  ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel, I get this: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. Can someone help?
[11:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in dell "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [High,Confirmed]
[11:55] <ffixxx> the restricted thngy installed the wrong version
[11:55] <arnath> ffixxx: download from the site then
[11:55] <bascule> Dr_willis: say in a shell wget then drop the URL in front, all good :)
[11:56] <Dr_willis> bascule,  now if i could find somthing worth listening to. :)
[11:56] <Dr_willis> bascule,  will the RIAA come after me for this? ;0
[11:56] <arnath> these days, the RIAA will come after you for buying a legit cd even :|
[11:56] <bascule> i will recommend something, no RIAA all dance labels love the promotion, it is a self-promoting industry, sites like this are it's life-blood
[11:57] <arnath> not the brightest of people running that show :p
[11:58] <DM|_> .
[11:58] <DM|> haha two instances, woopsie
[12:00] <bascule> Dr_willis: anything by this guy http://www.mixupload.com/index.php?showuser=3495
[12:00] <bascule> Dr_willis: given you mentioned Kenny G, seriously, the guy is world class
[12:01] <Dr_willis> music for sensitive people (Deep House)
[12:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:01] <Dr_willis> I did find some "starwars techo remix's" the other day that were cool.
[12:02] <Dr_willis> Kenny G. and Weird Al.
[12:03] <Dr_willis> Been listing to some Celtic type groups lately.
[12:03] <Dr_willis> My dad though they were 'bluegrass' Heh.. with an accent.
[12:05] <erichj> !stages
[12:05] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[12:05] <bascule> Dr_willis: check out the waterboys
[12:06] <Dr_willis> hmm cant seem to find them in the search dialogs
[12:07] <bascule> Dr_willis: not on mixupload, you mentioned celtic stuff, they are very good
[12:07] <Dr_willis> Ok. :) heh
[12:08] <bascule> The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues
[12:08] <Dr_willis> Gotta love Lovely Ladies with  cute accents singging..
[12:08] <bascule> all guys in that band :(
[12:09] <Dr_willis> bummer. :)
[12:09] <neh> I just installed the gutsy beta (64-bit server) on a new machine, and the network hardware isn't working at all. The hardware is the nforce 570, it's detected and forcedeth gets loaded, but it doesn't create a device entry. Any ideas?
[12:09] <Dr_willis> wife gets mad when i have lovely-lady-wallpapers.. but i can listen to them singing.
[12:09] <erichj> i used to think the mars volta had a female lead singer. imagine my suprise when i saw them in concert
[12:09] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[12:09] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[12:09] <bascule> Dr_willis: lol
[12:11] <DM|> ok... no matter what i do my resolution STILL reverts to 640xXXX when i reboot, ive even removed the option for that resolution from xorg.conf and it still does it.
[12:11] <DM|> or restart X
[12:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. having issues with Frostwire cant enter text into the text entry fields...
[12:12] <Dr_willis> wonder if affects other java apps also
[12:22] <dennda> am I the only one who has no sound with -13 kernel? (login sound worked, but nothing else)
[12:23] <uga> dennda: works fine here
[12:24] <uga> dennda: if the login sound worked, I'd doubt it's a kernel issue though
[12:24] <uga> try rebooting with the older kernel...
[12:25] <vmlinuz`> is wmv a file extension for windows?
[12:26] <uga> vmlinuz`: it's a microsoft's proprietary format
[12:26] <uga> you can still play those in windows though
[12:27] <uga> s/windows/linux
[12:27] <dennda> err
[12:27] <dennda> for some unkown reason the cable was uplugged
[12:27] <dennda> maybe i kicked it out
[12:27] <uga> dennda: lol
[12:28] <Assid> err
[12:28] <Assid> im having some issues
[12:28] <Assid> i cant get the network manager to connect to my network
[12:28] <Assid> im using a WEP 128 hex
[12:28] <Assid> howeever, it only tries a 104bit hex
[12:29] <vmlinuz`> uga: how
[12:30] <uga> vmlinuz`: you need to install w32codecs (or w64codecs, if you are on 64bit os)
[12:31] <Assid> how do i get this to connect to a 128bit hex?
[12:31] <bascule> doesn't the drop down let you select what encryption type?
[12:32] <DM|> mwahaha found a work around for my resolution problem ,
[12:33] <Assid> DM|:  resolution problem?
[12:33] <uga> Assid: I don't have a wifi network here to tell you about, sorry. But I'd really suggest you to use WPA instead of WEP
[12:33] <DM|> assid aye, after last nights kernel upgrade it didnt give me restricted modules, had to install those this morning, and for some reason x wouldnt display my native resolution , i had to add a whole bunch of stuff to xorg.conf,
[12:33] <uga> unless you love doing charity for your neighbours offering them free wifi access
[12:34] <DM|> Assid you know its safer to use Mac address filtering + WEP
[12:34] <bascule> wep isn't that insecure
[12:34] <uga> there's lots of tools out there to break them
[12:34] <DM|> Assid they can crack WEP , but its MUCH harder to get passed MAC address filtering
[12:34] <uga> iwcrack was it?
[12:35] <uga> sorry no, aircrack ;)
[12:35] <bascule> DM|: can sniff all devices in range, hi-jack a mac, very easy
[12:35] <DM|> uga aircrack is spotty
[12:35] <Inox> how can i customize visual effects in gutzy?
[12:35] <DM|> bascule but at the same time.. whats the chances someone in your area can do that or knows how
[12:35] <DM|> inox terminal- ccsm
[12:35] <bascule> in my area, me ..... :)
[12:35] <mzuverink> Are all the plugins avail for mp3 support and such like in feisty - restricted extras or whatever?
[12:35] <DM|> bascule well there u go
[12:36] <bascule> There won't be many thiugh granted
[12:36] <DM|> bascule personally ive never gotten aircrack to work. there isnt a howto thats worked for me
[12:36] <Inox> DM: ccsm?
[12:36] <DM|> bascule ive come to the determination that i have the wrong hardware
[12:36] <bascule> airodump-ng
[12:36] <Inox> DM, it doesn't work
[12:36] <Assid> DM|: yeah.. but first i want it to connect to my network
[12:37] <DM|> inox u running compiz, or basic desktop effects?
[12:37] <bascule> well with out packet injectio it takes forever, jst a senseless amount of time
[12:37] <Assid> it doesnt connect to a simple 128bit hex
[12:37] <DM|> assid what router?
[12:37] <Assid> dlink - di-524
[12:37] <Inox> visual effects -> extra
[12:37] <Assid> DM|: shouldnt matter on the router
[12:37] <Assid> there is NO option to choose 128bit hex
[12:37] <Assid> only 104bit
[12:38] <mzuverink> Is there restricted extras package like in feisty for mp3 support and the like?
[12:38] <DM|> Assid in network manager?
[12:38] <DM|> assid or your router
[12:38] <bascule> !restricted | mzuverink
[12:38] <ubotu> mzuverink: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:38] <Inox> DM, visual effects -> extra
[12:38] <Assid> network manager
[12:38] <DM|> assid the reason i ask what router is because some routers just plain are a piece of feldercarb, and Ive had problems with hex/ascii or WEP for that matter,
[12:38] <Nookie^> mzuverink: search for gstreamer package in synapic
[12:38] <bascule> mzuverink: sorry, yes they are in gutsy too
[12:38] <DM|> inox go to.....
[12:39] <Assid> DM|: nah.. i got a mac and windows connecting to it no problems
[12:39] <Assid> i even have a router bridging to it
[12:39] <DM|> inox System>preferences>Appereance PReferences>Visual effects tab, click custom, and then the button to the right, "Preferences"
[12:39] <DM|> Assid hmm tricky, what wifi card?
[12:40] <mzuverink> Ok, I just noticed no medibuntu repos for gusty and wanted to be sure I could listen to my collection.  Any Idea when the repo for Canonical commercial will be available?
[12:40] <Assid> err i gtta go check its a dell d600
[12:40] <Assid> some intel 2100 or something like that
[12:40] <DM|> prolly either a broadcom or a intell 2200
[12:40] <Assid> yeah
[12:40] <DM|> wow 2100 is  a little older, hm m, have you installed restricted modules?
[12:40] <Assid> its in live cd mode atm.. its installing as we speak
[12:40] <Assid> 50% done
[12:41] <Inox> DM| preferences not shown
[12:41] <DM|> Inox do a "sudo apt-cache search effects" and paste it in pastbin for me
[12:41] <Assid> DM|: either which way.. it should allow me 128bit hex
[12:41] <DM|> !pastebin | Inox
[12:41] <ubotu> Inox: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:41] <Assid> why is it stuck to 104bit?
[12:42] <DM|> Assid its prolly a driver thing, have you tried using the "manual mode" to connect instead of network manager applet
[12:42] <Inox> !pastebin?
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <Inox> don't understand
[12:42] <DM|> !pastebin
[12:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:42] <DM|> Inox paste the output of the code i told u to plug in at that link
[12:43] <Assid> DM|: only has 40/104bit
[12:43] <Assid> i tried manual mode.. didnt help
[12:43] <VousDeux> Assid, could it be an international restriction maybe?
[12:43] <Inox> !pastebin
[12:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <DM|> Assid at this point im at a loss, have u checked out Ubuntu forums?
[12:44] <Inox> i'm trying to use it, but don't know how
[12:44] <DM|> assid for anyone with the same problem?
[12:44] <DM|> inox see that big white box at that page?
[12:44] <DM|> inox when you copy the output from the terminal, paste it in that big white box and hit submit
[12:44] <DM|> inox then send me the URL that you copy from your browser
[12:45] <Inox> Ok, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39809/
[12:45] <Inox> is that it?
[12:46] <DM|> inox i think thats a result of all packages try this
[12:46] <DM|> inox "sudo apt-cache search desktop-effects"
[12:47] <vmlinuz`> anything similir to amule but better?
[12:47] <uga> mldonkey?
[12:47] <Inox> I tried that and got nothing
[12:47] <Assid> nah
[12:47] <Inox> DM| got nothing
[12:47] <uga> vmlinuz`: you could use kmldonkey with mldonkey
[12:47] <vmlinuz`> uga: mldonkey is different than kmldonkey?
[12:48] <DM|> inox kk go to synaptics for me, and do a search for compiz, tell  me whats installed
[12:48] <uga> vmlinuz`: no, kmldonkey is a frontend for mlnet (part of mldonkey)
[12:48] <vmlinuz`> uga: should i just install package mldonkey-gui or do i have to install mldonkey-server too?
[12:48] <bascule> aren't they shut-down?
[12:49] <uga> vmlinuz`: you should only need mldonkey-server, but possibly if you apt-get kmldonkey, it should get installed automagically
[12:49] <vmlinuz`> uga: so should i just install package kmldonkey? Or is it rquired to get mldonkey-gui too?
[12:49] <uga> you shouldn't need mldonkey-gui
[12:49] <vmlinuz`> why tho, im using X. i like gui
[12:49] <uga> vmlinuz`: kmldonkey is a gui =)
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> cool does kmldonkey share files of mldonkey users?
[12:50] <uga> you either use kmldonkey or mldonkey-gui, not both =)
[12:50] <Assid> seriously
[12:50] <Assid> i need some help
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> uga: ok, cause i dont like amule, all videos in amule are .wmv :-/
[12:50] <uga> vmlinuz`: heh, kmldonkey is a frontend for mldonkey
[12:50] <uga> it's just a graphical interface for it
[12:50] <uga> so yes, it shares with mldonkey users =)
[12:51] <ppj> i want my nvidia
[12:51] <Inox> DM| compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-compcomm-plugins-main, compizconfig-settings-manager, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main,  compiz-gnome, compiz-kde, compiz-plugins
[12:51] <DM|> inox thats what is installed?
[12:51] <VousDeux> Assid, from what I can tell, that 104-bit key is by design and is what you should expect: http://www.crazylinux.net/downloads/projects/wireless.pdf
[12:51] <DM|> inox or option to install
[12:51] <Inox> options
[12:52] <kravlin> does bittorrent work in Gusty in the 64 bit version?
[12:52] <DM|> inox so none are installed?
[12:52] <DM|> kravlin u usuing the default bittorrent or azuerus?
[12:52] <VousDeux> Assid, the part you would be interested in is almost all the way at the bottom of that document
[12:53] <uga> kravlin: if you send me a nice torrent, I may test for you =)
[12:53] <kravlin> DMJ: the default bittorent. It wasn't working
[12:53] <kravlin> DMJ: I was just wondering.
[12:53] <DM|> inox well i dont have much exp with the basic desktop effects, but if im not mistaken you have to have the compiz-fusion packages installed.
[12:53] <lordhelmet> hey all...running gutsy kubuntu with gdd instead of kdm. standby works but when i come out of standby, it restarts gdm and i have to log in again, losing anything i had open. this happened before i upgraded to gutsy too (yes i know gutsty is still beta)
[12:53] <DM|> Kravlin DM| :P
[12:53] <vmlinuz`> uga: i'm in the setup. it says "locate your core" where that should be? I install it via synaptic
[12:54] <DM|> kravlin hmm no reports here from 64 bit not working, i work on a 32 bit dual core so. :(
[12:54] <uga> vmlinuz`: not sure what that means, it may mean where mlnet is?
[12:54] <kRush> is there a workaround for rhythmbox using ~15-20% cpu?
[12:54] <DM|> brb
[12:54] <vmlinuz`> uga: yea
[12:54] <vmlinuz`> uga: where is it the mlnet
[12:54] <uga> vmlinuz`: /usr/bin/mlnet for mldonkey
[12:54] <DM|> kRush i cant even get rhythmbox working for my ipod, cant load the plugin, i think the file is corrupt, but the thing is.. you cant download the plugin anywhere
[12:55] <VousDeux> Assid, the only thing I can suggest is that you make certain that you have selected the proper key type in the wireless settings
[12:55] <DM|> kRush Im just waiting for an update, using exaile for now
[12:56] <vmlinuz`> uga: its not there :/
[12:56] <uga> vmlinuz`: did it install mldonkey-server?
[12:56] <uga> when installing kmldonkey
[12:56] <Assid> VousDeux:  i did.. still cant get it :(
[12:56] <vmlinuz`> uga: nop
[12:56] <Assid> this sucks
[12:56] <uga> vmlinuz`: then you need to install it manually. Strange.
[12:56] <uga> root@dpcuga:/home/uga# dpkg -S /usr/bin/mlnet
[12:56] <uga> mldonkey-server: /usr/bin/mlnet
[12:57] <kRush> DM|, since it is also gstreamer based I don't think exaile would change anything on the cpu usage for me
[12:57] <vmlinuz`> uga: doing it now
[12:57] <vmlinuz`> uga: should i run mldonkey-server?
[12:58] <uga> vmlinuz`: heh, hard question. I used to get it working nicely, and kmldonkey used to start mlnet automatically, but in my last run, I had to run mlnet manually
[12:58] <uga> vmlinuz`: first time you run, you'll possibly get a message saying "connect to core was refused" or similar
[12:58] <uga> then try File-> connect to core->Mldonkey
[12:59] <uga> usually it works
[12:59] <uga> if it doesn't, you'll need to manually run mlnet, but you shouldn't need to
[12:59] <uga> vmlinuz`: I tried again this time, it auto-started mlnet
[01:00] <vmlinuz`> org@nawaf:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:00] <vmlinuz`> mldonkey-server: /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:01] <uga> vmlinuz`: that's a query to check what package installed /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:02] <vmlinuz`> uga: i'm getting that its confused now hehe
[01:02] <uga> no, it's me who is confused =)
[01:02] <uga> vmlinuz`: just run kmldonkey
[01:03] <uga> then go File->connect to core-> and select MLDonkey
[01:03] <vmlinuz`> uga: I did
[01:03] <uga> you should be up and running now
[01:03] <vmlinuz`> Connection to the core was refused.  Some others keep running if you run the process in bg with &
[01:05] <uga> vmlinuz`: there's an option to set "path to mlnet"
[01:05] <vmlinuz`> uga: yea thats done
[01:05] <vmlinuz`> uga: i setup the path to /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:06] <uga> okay... and there was an option to autostart mlnet somewhere, I believe... a second
[01:06] <vmlinuz`> uga: ok
[01:07] <vmlinuz`> uga: cool i see 3 servers now
[01:07] <uga> good
[01:07] <uga> you should see hundreds though =)
[01:08] <wooza> !stages
[01:08] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[01:08] <vmlinuz`> uga: how
[01:08] <vmlinuz`> uga: what is the best server
[01:08] <uga> vmlinuz`: I guess it'll get more servers with time, but not sure
[01:08] <jrib> vmlinuz`: you can "disown" a job after starting it so it won't close with the terminal
[01:08] <uga> vmlinuz`: about best servers... heh, depends on what you're looking for, but that's OT =)
[01:09] <Assid> nah
[01:09] <Assid> it dont work
[01:09] <uga> jrib: oh? I'm interested on that
[01:09] <uga> how?
[01:10] <uga> jrib: imagine you do "foo.sh &" to make it run on background. Can I still tell that app that it's not supposed to be running on this stdout?
[01:10] <vmlinuz`> anybody here use Banshee?
[01:11] <uga> jrib: or do you mean through screen
[01:11] <uga> vmlinuz`: I forgot, another option is to run it on a screen. Do you have konsole installed? ie, kde
[01:11] <jrib> uga: ah that I am not sure, but "disown" will make it so that the job you have in the background will not terminate when you close the terminal
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: no kde.
[01:12] <uga> uhm...
[01:12] <jrib> you can do "disown JOB" as well if you have more than one job
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: I use gnome. but i got screen installed
[01:12] <lordhelmet> hey all...running gutsy kubuntu with gdd instead of kdm. standby works but when i come out of standby, it restarts gdm and i have to log in again, losing anything i had open. this happened before i upgraded to gutsy too (yes i know gutsty is still beta)
[01:12] <uga> vmlinuz`: I don't know if gterm can work as a screen session
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> hey, what are these processes. http://pastebin.com/m4a829a19
[01:12] <uga> vmlinuz`: konsole makes it so easy to maneuver
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: I'm running irssi now as a screen
[01:12] <slackern> I could be misstaken but foo.sh &>/dev/nil or something similar will make it not make any output, maybe someone can correct it not sure if it's correct.
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: in terminal
[01:12] <uga> vmlinuz`: oh well, you know how to use it then
[01:12] <filthpig> does anyone know how wine works on gutsy?
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> yeah, screen is nice
[01:13] <vmlinuz`> then deattach and "screen -r"
[01:13] <vmlinuz`> right?
[01:13] <usser> filthpig: fabulous )))
[01:13] <uga> vmlinuz`: yeah, I just hate remembering those every time, and konsole does nicely.
[01:13] <filthpig> usser, great :) Using the winehq repos?
[01:13] <usser> filthpig: what do u mean how, lol it works period ))
[01:13] <vmlinuz`> uga: what do you usually manage screen with konsole, you don't do "screen -r" or what?
[01:14] <usser> filthpig: yea
[01:14] <filthpig> usser, there are a few feisty apps that don't play nice with gutsy
[01:14] <jrib> slackern: yes, but do you know how to redirect it after you run the command?
[01:14] <filthpig> i.e. Azureus
[01:14] <uga> vmlinuz`: there's a new tab button. If you press and hold, you can select if you want to create a new normal session, or a screen session
[01:14] <Mykelyk> Hi, could someone help me with my first installation of ubuntu?
[01:14] <vmlinuz`> uga: ah ic, I got what you mean now
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: oh yea? hm strange, are u sure its gutsy related and not just wine update regression
[01:15] <jrib> Mykelyk: hi, if this is your first installation, you should not be installing the beta version
[01:15] <vmlinuz`> uga: do you know anything about Banshee?
[01:15] <filthpig> Mykelyk, if it's your first experience with ubuntu you should really use feisty
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: cause 0.9.46 errors out in warcraft 3 when playing in the lan
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: for me at least
[01:15] <filthpig> k
[01:15] <Mykelyk> I'm installing the 7.04
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: so i still use 0.9.45
[01:15] <VousDeux> Assid, okay...sorry it took so long, I had access to my router restricted to another machine and I forgot...what you should be entering into the HEX key field is a 26-character HEX string
[01:15] <filthpig> Mykelyk, ok, then #ubuntu is the channel for you :)
[01:16] <Mykelyk> Sorry
[01:16] <bascule> uga: is there a way of getting kmldonkey to recuse through atop-level dir to share?
[01:16] <bascule> recurse*
[01:16] <filthpig> this chan is dedicated to the development and testing of the next ubuntu release :)
[01:16] <Assid> VousDeux:  thats what i did
[01:16] <Assid> also i think theres a major issue
[01:16] <xtknight> linux-image-rt uses 1000 hz, or CONFIG_NO_HZ?
[01:16] <Assid> apparently .. the live cd in the live cd mode  catches my wifi
[01:17] <Assid> i dont think the installed version does.. cause knetwork manager doesnt let me do anything
[01:17] <Assid> it only lets me modify wired connection
[01:17] <Assid> doesnt even show the wireless
[01:18] <VousDeux> Assid, oh, I didn't realize you were trying it from the live cd
[01:18] <Assid> i have it installed now tho
[01:18] <Assid> but now knetwork manager is awasy in wired mode
[01:18] <Assid> doesnt let me do wireless
[01:19] <VousDeux> Assid, I had problems like that before I found a good driver for my wifi
[01:19] <Assid> its an old one..ipw2100 i think
[01:19] <Assid> and still problems???
[01:20] <VousDeux> Assid, come to think of it, that was on Feisty, when I installed Gutsy it finally started working
[01:20] <Assid> VousDeux:  live cd catches the wifi card flawlessly
[01:20] <Assid> installed version doesnt


[00:39] <jrwren> hrm... anyone know about bash ambiguous redirect?
[00:39] <jrwren> I am using jq, extracting some values, piping to while read url fname ; do echo $url $fname.strm ; done
[00:39] <jrwren> and that works, but as soon as I add a > between $url and $fname, it all fails with ambiguous redirect and I don't know why.
[00:43] <jrwren> durp.  fname has spaces. I want files with spaces. quote the $fname in double quotes.
[01:36] <Scary_Guy> I will say it did work in emacs


[08:03] <Laney> mwhudson: yeh
[10:02] <juliank> I just synced apt 1.5~alpha1 to artful, with HTTPS support in the http method, but note that ~alpha1 loads the system CA store even if specified a custom one. ~alpha2 tried to fix that but had a regression that is fixed in ~alpha3 (which I'll sync later today)
[10:10] <infinity> juliank: What dependencies does this introduce to the base system?
[10:11] <juliank> infinity: It  adds a dependency on libgnutls
[10:12] <infinity> juliank: Yeah, just found that.
[10:12] <infinity> juliank: libgnutls30 was already prio:important for other reasons, so that seems pleasantly alright by me.
[10:12] <juliank> Apparently, we don't have gnutls in the base system yet (compared to Debian, where wget uses gnutls, we use openssl )
[10:13] <juliank> ignore that
[10:13] <juliank> I was looking at my build chroot, and that does not even have wget
[10:15] <infinity> juliank: Anyhow, +1 for gnutls instead of curl-gnutls.  I think this'll shrink some annoying cruft from the LP buildd chroots when we can switch.
[10:17] <infinity> juliank: How do I select one over the other?
[10:17] <juliank> infinity: Currently you have to set Dir::Bin::Methods::https to http (and the same for tor+https for people who use that...)
[10:17] <juliank> Although, tor actually only works in alpha 3
[10:18] <juliank> infinity: Eventually it will become the default, but support for CONNECT proxies (and HTTPS proxies) is not there yet
[10:18] <infinity> juliank: So, I'm not against us doing that in the artful chroot configs if/when you think we're ready to hammer on it a bit.
[10:18] <infinity> juliank: Then all private PPAs building for artful would use the new method.
[10:19] <juliank> As long as the PPAs don't use proxies, you can switch them as soon as it landed (if you set a CaInfo file, you might want to wait until alpha 3)
[10:19] <cjwatson> PPA building doesn't use proxies; snap building does
[10:19] <cjwatson> (in LP)
[10:19] <infinity> cjwatson: For apt?
[10:19] <juliank> proxies for https, that is
[10:20] <cjwatson> not specifically for apt, but snap builds set up a proxy in order that they can fetch stuff from non-DC sources
[10:20] <cjwatson> so apt will (IIRC) end up using that
[10:20] <infinity> Ahh, but I can configure apt to skip proxies.
[10:21] <juliank> I'll try to write CONNECT support (and the https proxy support) soon.
[10:21] <cjwatson> sure, but we have a thing that works at the moment :)
[10:21] <infinity> Which maybe we should for that very scenario.  Unless you think it's sane to cache our own stuff in squid.internal.
[10:21] <cjwatson> I'm mostly disinclined to fiddle much with the config since it's been a time-sink
[10:22] <juliank> It's just Acquire::https::Proxy "DIRECT" that needs to be set, really
[10:22] <cjwatson> and this isn't squid.internal
[10:22] <infinity> squid.whatever. :P
[10:24] <cjwatson> https::proxy direct is the wrong fix for snap builds, because it's quite possible that they'll want to use https archives outside of the datacentre, which can only possibly work through the proxy
[10:24] <cjwatson> private PPAs are really not my primary concern there, because private snap builds in LP aren't yet a thing
[10:24] <cjwatson> (BTW, I'm not intending to give juliank a hard time for not having done this yet - sounds like great work so far)
[10:24] <infinity> Kay, we can just wait for the support to be complete.
[10:25] <infinity> I'm just excited to see apt-transport-https, and half of its deps, go away. :P
[10:25] <cjwatson> definitely
[10:25] <juliank> OK, I'm reading now :)
[10:26] <juliank> And luckily for us, I do have a proxy here, so I really need this
[10:26] <infinity> "luckily".
[10:29] <juliank> infinity: Yeah, otherwise it might take longer. But if I don't do this soon, I end up exceeding my data limit at some point (and the proxy works around the data limit ...)
[10:44] <elopio> Trevinho: ping, check your email.
[11:15] <juliank> infinity: Seems to be working now
[11:15] <juliank> But the code is a bit hacky so far
[11:49] <Trevinho> elopio: is the video already live on youtube or what?
[11:54] <juliank> infinity: Have a look at it and tell me if you see something scary https://github.com/Debian/apt/compare/master...julian-klode:feature/https-proxy?expand=1
[11:58] <infinity> juliank: I'd recommend sarnold, if you want a "is it scary" code review.
[11:58] <juliank> infinity: well, then tell me if you see something odd :)
[11:59] <juliank> Did I say that I like that C++ has lambdas now?
[12:02] <juliank> infinity: I tested: anonymous HTTP proxy, and an HTTPS proxy with Basic auth, BTW :)
[12:04] <juliank> infinity: I think the transition to http being the default https will start later today, now that it's feature complete.
[12:05] <juliank> Exciting times :)
[12:06] <juliank> Oh, maybe I should probably talk to the proxy in HTTP/1.0 CONNECT, instead of HTTP/1.1 CONNECT
[12:06] <juliank> or read the spec for it
[12:08] <juliank> The RFC says I'm doing everything right :)
[12:44] <xnox> juliank, not using HTTP/2.0 and push the relevant metadata and packages from the server in parallel?
[12:45] <juliank> xnox: No HTTP/2 yet
[12:45] <juliank> xnox: But we do pipeline
[12:46] <juliank> I think HTTP/2 is really hard actually, if you want to fully do parallel streams
[12:46] <juliank> Our code only handles receiving one file at a time
[12:47] <juliank> Anyway, pipelining works well for apt, as we can integrity check everything :)
[12:55] <xnox> juliank, not sure we want parallel downloads. i believe mirrors complained when people do that
[12:55] <juliank> xnox: I meant the parallel stream thingy that http2 does
[12:55] <juliank> Where it multiplexes multiple responses
[12:56] <ricotz> infinity, hi, is there some eta to update builder-choots for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/1699772 ?
[13:46] <cjwatson> ricotz: Kernels aren't in the chroots.
[13:49] <cjwatson> ricotz: The builder VM images are updated automatically from cloud images on cloud-images.ubuntu.com, so they should pick it up once it turns up in cloud images.
[13:54] <ricotz> cjwatson, ok, you know what I mean ;), so I am hoping this happens soon