[08:07] <Creedence> is there a way to gain all netowrk resources with ssh without patching each port?
[08:07] <trombine> is someone can help me to install some soft please ,
[08:07] <trappist> Creedence: for a vpn server?  sure, lots.  allow me to recommend openvpn.
[08:07] <Creedence> Woohoo
[08:07] <Creedence> k
[08:08] <Creedence> I have a Clarkconnect box
[08:08] <trombine> es-ce que quelqu'un pourrai m'aider  isntaller qq programmes svp ?
[08:08] <Creedence> now I have to try and install it on that
[08:08] <trappist> I've read about clarkconnect but I forget what it's all about.
[08:08] <jan_> ook nederlanders hier??
[08:08] <trappist> trombine: #ubuntu-fr
[08:08] <trombine> thanks trappist see ya
[08:08] <luca_b> Creedence: OpenVPN rocks, it's the solution I use at work
[08:08] <trappist> jan_: #ubuntu-nl
[08:08] <Creedence> Clarkconnect is a linux (I beleive deb ditro based) firewall
[08:09] <Creedence> luca_b, brb I am going to look :)
[08:09] <luca_b> Creedence: if I recall, Clarkconnect is RPM-based
[08:09] <jan_> i want to know how i use my soundcard instead of my onboard soundchip
[08:09] <luca_b> (tried to use it in the past for my custom home-made router)
[08:09] <trappist> jan_: the easiest solution is to disable the onboard card in the BIOS
[08:09] <jan_> okay, bus i need the other one in wind*ws, it's a dual boot
[08:10] <trappist> jan_: I knew you'd say that :)
[08:10] <trappist> jan_: what does 'asoundconf list' say?
[08:10] <judibet> Tip : A firewall in graphic mode : sudo apt-get install guarddog
[08:10] <jan_> Names of available sound cards:
[08:10] <jan_> V8237
[08:10] <jan_> CMI8738MC6
[08:11] <trappist> jan_: try this: asoundconf set-default-card CMI8738MC6
[08:11] <trappist> jan_: I assume that V8237 is your onboard card
[08:11] <Knifa> hay
[08:11] <jan_> okay, i tried
[08:12] <Knifa> does the "saving language" bit on the installer usually take a long time? D:
[08:12] <jan_> thanx a lot
[08:12] <trappist> jan_: it worked?
[08:12] <jan_> trappist, you are my hero!!
[08:12] <trappist> woohoo!
[08:12] <trappist> jan_: the 'list' function is my patch to asoundconf - glad it worked!
[08:12] <luca_b> trappist: never knew such a thing existed, you never stop learning with linux
[08:13] <trappist> luca_b: it didn't until recently
[08:13] <AlexNicol> trappist:  Installed all the packages - and still have the same issue
[08:13] <AlexNicol> although this time its telling me the xserver is not correctly configured
[08:13] <arunkale> anyone here used JuK?
[08:13] <trappist> AlexNicol: it won't use the new drivers until you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and configure it to do so
[08:13] <AlexNicol> yeah
[08:13] <AlexNicol> did that
[08:13] <AlexNicol> chose the flgrx one
[08:13] <AlexNicol> and now its complaining
[08:14] <AlexNicol> is this a generic linux issue, or specific to ubuntu?
[08:14] <luca_b> AlexNicol: you may want to try using ATI's own tool, try using aticonfig --initial
[08:14] <trappist> AlexNicol: I'm always encouraged to see a *different* problem
[08:14] <AlexNicol> I like to test people :)
[08:14] <trappist> AlexNicol: ati's linux drivers kinda suck, but I can't really answer that question until we track down the cause
[08:14] <AlexNicol> lol
[08:15] <judibet> I left !
[08:15] <luca_b> trappist: they suck also on windows, actually
[08:15] <AlexNicol> trying luca_b's idea now
[08:15] <judibet> See you all!
[08:15] <trappist> luca_b: true that
[08:15] <AlexNicol> Luca_b, just type that in as a command?
[08:15] <trappist> AlexNicol: if that doesn't work, next step is to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:15] <luca_b> AlexNicol: one sec, checking if it's there by default
[08:15] <AlexNicol> right
[08:15] <AlexNicol> log open
[08:16] <AlexNicol> says - *from far away*
[08:16] <trappist> AlexNicol: look for lines beginning with (EE)
[08:16] <luca_b> AlexNicol: should be there, it's in the xorg-driver-fglrx package that you should have
[08:16] <AlexNicol> EE - No Devices Detected
[08:16] <luca_b> AlexNicol: ok, you may want to try aticonfig
[08:16] <trappist> AlexNicol: well that's no good :)  if you say lspci, do you see your card?
[08:17] <AlexNicol> WW - No matching device section for instance (BUSID PCT:1:10:0) found
[08:17] <luca_b> AlexNicol: been there, saw that error
[08:17] <trappist> that busid doesn't look right
[08:17] <luca_b> brb, dinnner
[08:17] <trappist> but I can't be sure about that
[08:17] <trappist> AlexNicol: is this a vga card, or pci express?  or ye olde pci? or onboard?
[08:17] <AlexNicol> trappist
[08:17] <AlexNicol> hang on
[08:18] <scott_w|lappy> yo, i got a problem using configure scripts
[08:18] <scott_w|lappy> i've already installed gcc
[08:18] <AlexNicol> 0000:01:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Fac
[08:18] <AlexNicol> ffs
[08:18] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:19] <AlexNicol> [Radeon 7000/VE]
[08:19] <scott_w|lappy> trappist: i'll see if that works, thanks
[08:19] <AlexNicol> so put in that bus ide?
[08:19] <trappist> AlexNicol: ok so it's vga and it *is* detected.  I think your problem is likely that pci id.  did you try luca_b's suggestion yet?
[08:19] <AlexNicol> no
[08:19] <trappist> AlexNicol: I'm not sure that translates... lemme check...
[08:19] <AlexNicol> was waiting on a command
[08:20] <trappist> AlexNicol: no, it's not quite the same syntax, apparently, and I don't know how to translate it
[08:20] <trappist> AlexNicol: my lspci says 01:00.0 and my xorg.conf says PCI:1:0:0
[08:20] <trappist> so I don't know what your 0a should look like
[08:21] <AlexNicol> hmm
[08:21] <AlexNicol> Luca_b's suggestion returned...
[08:21] <AlexNicol> Found fglrx primary device section
[08:21] <AlexNicol> Noting to do, terminating
[08:22] <trappist> you could try commenting out the Device section to *give* it something to do
[08:22] <Knifa> my install is stuck at Select and Install Software, Configuring language-pack-en-base at 1%
[08:22] <Knifa> does it usually take a while :[
[08:22] <Knifa> the HDD light is going atleast
[08:23] <trappist> I think there's a pretty good chance the problem is in that BusID parameter, but I can't tell you what it should be
[08:23] <trappist> Knifa: I'd say give it some time
[08:23] <AlexNicol> trappist - aticonfig --initial --force returns.....
[08:23] <AlexNicol> Unitialised file found, configuring.
[08:23] <Knifa> kay
[08:23] <trappist> oh, --force.  good one.
[08:24] <AlexNicol> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:24] <AlexNicol> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx.0
[08:24] <AlexNicol> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad File Descriptor
[08:25] <Knifa> trappist: it's been at it for a good 5 minutes now
[08:25] <trappist> AlexNicol: you ran it with sudo, right?
[08:25] <Knifa> although it took the same amount of time on saving language
[08:25] <AlexNicol> errrr...
[08:25] <AlexNicol> yes :$
[08:25] <Knifa> and it's a p3 500mhz with 64mb of ram <_<
[08:25] <trappist> Knifa: if you've got hard drive activity, it's still working
[08:25] <Knifa> kay
[08:25] <scott_w|lappy> trappist: yeah, it worked, cheers ^_^
[08:25] <trappist> Knifa: ah.  yeah, expect it to take a while :)  it should run fine, but installation will be slow
[08:25] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: what worked?
[08:26] <AlexNicol> the essential-build thing
[08:26] <scott_w|lappy> out of curiosity: why doesn't kubuntu install development tools by default?
[08:26] <AlexNicol> scott - thats the same question I asked when I first came accross it
[08:26] <AlexNicol> Trappist - Sudo ati(etc) worked I think
[08:26] <trappist> AlexNicol: ossum
[08:27] <AlexNicol> Pardon?
[08:27] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: your average user doesn't usually need them.  pretty much everything you'd ever want is available in the repos.
[08:27] <scott_w|lappy> oh, and does anyone know when gcc 4.1 is going in the repositories?
[08:27] <trappist> AlexNicol: means awesome :)
[08:27] <AlexNicol> ahh
[08:27] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: when edgy is released
[08:27] <scott_w|lappy> ok
[08:27] <Knifa> kay, thanks trappist :D
[08:27] <AlexNicol> not up on abbreviations
[08:27] <AlexNicol> Right - whats the command to boot into GUI?
[08:28] <scott_w|lappy> but still, you average user may find themselves needing to compile source code
[08:28] <trappist> AlexNicol: it's my own invention.  it's phoenetically identical.
[08:28] <scott_w|lappy> a guy i know had to to get his modem working
[08:28] <trappist> AlexNicol: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:28] <AlexNicol> yeah, it made sense when I re-read it
[08:28] <AlexNicol> using xubuntu
[08:28] <AlexNicol> is it xdm?
[08:29] <trappist> AlexNicol: whatever your *dm is
[08:29] <lebifteksauvage> Hello ;)
[08:29] <trappist> AlexNicol: if you pick the wrong one, it'll just tell you
[08:29] <AlexNicol> command not found
[08:29] <AlexNicol> is there a way of finding it?
[08:30] <trappist> scott_w|lappy: a long and interesting discussion over whether to install them by default happened on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, and that very argument was brought up more than once in favor of doing it.
[08:30] <trappist> AlexNicol: ls /etc/init.d/*dm
[08:30] <trappist> AlexNicol: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:30] <AlexNicol> I cheated and rebooted :P
[08:30] <trappist> that'll work :)
[08:31] <AlexNicol> computer says
[08:31] <AlexNicol> no
[08:32] <AlexNicol> failed to start x server
[08:32] <AlexNicol> no devices detected
[08:32] <AlexNicol> no screens found
[08:32] <trappist> suck
[08:33] <trappist> AlexNicol: what kind of (EE)s do you have in /var/log/Xorg.0.log now?
[08:33] <trappist> and, what's the BusID option in your new Device stanza?
[08:34] <trappist> bbiaf - ima go grab a burger
[08:35] <AlexNicol> EE - No screens found
[08:35] <AlexNicol> and where do I look for the other bit?
[08:37] <Knifa> trappist: still going :(
[08:38] <AlexNicol> knifa - Still on 1%?
[08:39] <Knifa> yeah
[08:39] <Knifa> the hard drive is still going though
[08:39] <AlexNicol> as in going like mad or ticking over?
[08:40] <Knifa> actually it doesn't sound like it's doing much
[08:40] <Knifa> the light is on though
[08:40] <Knifa> mabye it's dead too :/
[08:40] <luluza> Hi
[08:40] <Knifa> it's making generic hard drive noises thoug
[08:40] <AlexNicol> my first thought would be to restart it and run the MEMTEST thing on the CD
[08:41] <AlexNicol> have you got something like Eurosofts PC Check
[08:41] <AlexNicol> or some other HDD checking tool?
[08:41] <Knifa> nah it's not worth it
[08:41] <Knifa> it's a spare computer
[08:41] <Knifa> i was only going to install it on it to mess around
[08:41] <luluza> anybody help me???
[08:41] <AlexNicol> its always worth it for that
[08:41] <[GuS] > HD regenerator AlexNicol
[08:41] <AlexNicol> luluza - whats the problem
[08:41] <AlexNicol> Gus - Is that a freebie?
[08:42] <luluza> I can't configuret  the micro
[08:42] <[GuS] > dont think so
[08:42] <[GuS] > but is very good
[08:42] <Knifa> i don't have any hdd checking stuffs
[08:42] <AlexNicol> cool - its one I've not come across, but I've only really used manufacturer stuff for warranty repairs
[08:42] <AlexNicol> i.e. SEAGATEs own for seagate hdd's etc
[08:43] <AlexNicol> Knifa - Just a thought.... ermmmm... Prolly just try installing it afresh
[08:43] <AlexNicol> are you sure the cd is good?
[08:43] <luluza> ?
[08:43] <Knifa> actually
[08:43] <Knifa> it is going bad
[08:43] <Knifa> mad
[08:43] <Knifa> i just couldn't hear it
[08:43] <Knifa> :p
[08:43] <arunkale> heh
[08:44] <AlexNicol> lol
[08:44] <AlexNicol> Luluza - can you be more specifivc
[08:44] <Knifa> i blame it's lack of ram
[08:44] <AlexNicol> what cant you configure?
[08:44] <arunkale> Knifa, when you insert the cd, there's an option to check the integrity of the cd or something
[08:44] <AlexNicol> How much Ram has it got?
[08:44] <luluza> I can'y use the microphone
[08:44] <AlexNicol> arunkale - is it still part of the install process?
[08:45] <Knifa> 64mb :|
[08:45] <AlexNicol> Arunkale - No, its got its own option now hasnt it
[08:45] <AlexNicol> Dude
[08:45] <AlexNicol> my PHONE has more memory than that LD
[08:45] <AlexNicol> :D
[08:45] <Knifa> XD
[08:45] <arunkale> AlexNicol: I installed Dapper Drake recently, and when you insert the cd, it gives you a few options
[08:45] <AlexNicol> yeah I just remembered
[08:45] <arunkale> one of those options is to check the integrity of the cd
[08:45] <AlexNicol> strange though it sounds
[08:45] <AlexNicol> another is to run Memtest
[08:45] <arunkale> isn't 64mb kinda less
[08:45] <cango> help
[08:45] <cango> help
[08:45] <cango> help
[08:46] <AlexNicol> and Knifa - I would prolly suggest that memory would be an issue
[08:46] <Knifa> aye
[08:46] <cango> i can't listen my mp3s
[08:46] <AlexNicol> is there not a minimum listed?
[08:46] <arunkale> cango: could you listen to them earlier?
[08:46] <Knifa> actually it has 86mb
[08:46] <cango> no
[08:46] <Knifa> but that's still crap
[08:46] <Knifa> D:
[08:46] <AlexNicol> Cango - see ubuntuguide.org and follow through the information about installing multimedia codecs
[08:46] <arunkale> !mp3
[08:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:46] <cango> thanks
[08:46] <arunkale> cango check out those links ^^
[08:46] <AlexNicol> arunkale - smart arse :P
[08:46] <arunkale> hahahah
[08:47] <AlexNicol> Is there a list of those kinda commands for future reference?
[08:47] <arunkale> what commands?
[08:47] <AlexNicol> !ones
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ones - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <luluza> I can't lisent to mp3 with Amarok
[08:47] <arunkale> ones?
[08:47] <AlexNicol> oooohhh its a search
[08:47] <cango> i installed kubuntus 1 hour ago
[08:48] <AlexNicol> cango http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:48] <scott_w|lappy> cango: same here :)
[08:48] <arunkale> cango, check those links, it will tell you everything you need to know. start with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[08:48] <AlexNicol> start from the top, and miss out the bits you DONT want
[08:48] <cango> but i say
[08:48] <arunkale> ?
[08:49] <scott_w|lappy> well that explains why lilo isn't around
[08:49] <scott_w|lappy> RIP dude
[08:49] <cango> this is my first time linux
[08:49] <AlexNicol> innit
[08:49] <AlexNicol> Cango - You've made a good choice
[08:49] <cango> and i can't install codecs and programs
[08:49] <AlexNicol> http://ubuntuguide.org gives you step my step instructions
[08:49] <AlexNicol> including the use of SUDO
[08:49] <arunkale> cango - just copy paste those commands
[08:49] <cango> i don't know that i said
[08:49] <AlexNicol> which will become your new best friend :)
[08:50] <AlexNicol> Cango - You from a Windows Background?
[08:50] <cango> yes
[08:51] <luluza> ?
[08:51] <arunkale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats <- check this out cango
[08:51] <arunkale> it's really simple, dont worry
[08:51] <cango> ok
[08:52] <luluza> anybody speak spanish?????
[08:52] <cango> codes are very hard to me
[08:52] <arunkale> !es
[08:52] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:52] <AlexNicol> Cango - OK
[08:52] <arunkale> cango: just copy paste the codes in Konsole
[08:52] <AlexNicol> You know how you have different levels of user in Windows
[08:52] <luluza> ok...I leave
[08:52] <arunkale> AlexNicol: is there any way he can install codecs using Adept?
[08:53] <luluza> !es
[08:53] <AlexNicol> erm erm
[08:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:53] <arunkale> cango: wait, i have something that will make it really easy for you
[08:53] <cango> how can i enter console alt + F2 or others...
[08:53] <AlexNicol> I dont know, because I come from DOS, so I prefer consoles
[08:53] <cango> i wait
[08:53] <luluza> thanks..for
[08:53] <AlexNicol> are you at the linux desktop?
[08:53] <cango> yeah
[08:53] <AlexNicol> Luluza - Sorry, I dont know about microphones, wait for trappist to return
[08:53] <AlexNicol> ok
[08:54] <trappist> back
[08:54] <AlexNicol> APPLICATIONS - SYSTEM - TERMINAL
[08:54] <trappist> but I don't know about mics either
[08:54] <arunkale> cango: check this out -- http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[08:54] <AlexNicol> lol you made me jump :)
[08:54] <AlexNicol> oh yeah
[08:54] <arunkale> this will make it really easy for you
[08:54] <AlexNicol> easyubuntu
[08:55] <Homer> amaroK is hot
[08:55] <arunkale> cango: you there?
[08:55] <arunkale> Homer: Yes it is :D
[08:55] <MasterEvilAce> my sound is REALLY glitchy, and a bit staticy at times. Like i can't play two sound streams at once, or two sounds really close together (like GAIM receiving 2 IMs at the same time)
[08:55] <mattikoo> I have Kubuntu Dapper installed. I have installed the NVidia's newest driver for it. Dapper freezes many often, but Windows XP don't freeze with same hardware. I have tried glx driver for ubuntu, too. And Dapper freeze it, too.
[08:56] <cango> yeah
[08:56] <cango> i m here
[08:56] <cango> arunkale
[08:56] <arunkale> did you see that link cango?
[08:56] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: ps aux | grep arts
[08:56] <arunkale> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[08:56] <cango> yes
[08:57] <bledy> hhhi
[08:57] <cango> what must
[08:57] <arunkale> cango: download and install that script, it will set up everything for you
[08:57] <cango> what can i do
[08:57] <bledy> can i ask some one for how to install installing mozilla?
[08:58] <arunkale> ???
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> trappist: okay
[08:58] <bledy> can i ask some one for how to install mozilla?
[08:58] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: that won't fix anything.  I just want to know what it says.
[08:58] <heiner> is there a way to make the grub-boot-this-now feature of kdm available in dapper?
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> 1000      4342  0.0  1.9  39108  4908 ?        S    Sep21   0:14 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -d -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> 1000     13885  0.0  0.2   2804   748 pts/5    R+   14:57   0:00 grep arts
[08:58] <mattikoo> Do I send bug report to NVidia or Ubuntu-Community?
[08:58] <bledy> i'm a beginner on linux
[08:58] <arunkale> cango: http://tinyurl.com/gwrdf  <- click this, it will download the package on your computer, and then you can double click it to install all the necessary codecs, etc
[08:59] <arunkale> bledy: you want to install firefox?
[08:59] <bledy> so i don't know any thing
[08:59] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: it's the job of artsd to do your sound mixing so you can play multiple sounds at once.  it's running, but apparently kde isn't using it.  or maybe it's just that gaim doesn't know how to use it, what with it not being a kde app and all.
[08:59] <trappist> mattikoo: http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[08:59] <inam> !firefox
[08:59] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:59] <MasterEvilAce> trappist: i'm not sure it's only Gaim, but Gaim is the most annoying. amarok gets glitchy sometimes as well
[08:59] <bledy> yes i want
[09:00] <bledy> arunkale thnx
[09:00] <P4ck3t> do i need to have w32codecs installed to play mp3 files????
[09:00] <inam> bledy... your installation already has a browser
[09:00] <bledy> y
[09:00] <mattikoo> trappist: Thank you
[09:00] <trappist> MasterEvilAce: ah, well, amarok is a kde app, so that definitely shouldn't happen.  I don't recall where it is, but try running kcontrol and finding where to config your audio, and make sure it's set up to use a sound daemon (arts)
[09:00] <bledy> is konqueror
[09:00] <trappist> P4ck3t: no
[09:00] <MasterEvilAce> trappist: roger that
[09:01] <P4ck3t> trappist:  then why w32codecs is necessary???
[09:01] <trappist> P4ck3t: it contains codecs that are only available for windows, like wmv9
[09:01] <inam> !firefox > bledy
[09:01] <arunkale> P4ck3t: to play windows media files and stuff
[09:01] <bledy> ca you write me in privat becouse here i'll be confused and dont lnoww what to do
[09:01] <bledy> thanx
[09:01] <bledy> y inam
[09:01] <P4ck3t> trappist: okie..
[09:02] <arunkale> okay, people
[09:02] <arunkale> i'm going to sleep now
[09:02] <heiner> so, is there a way to make the grub-boot-this-now feature of kdm available in dapper?
[09:03] <inam> bledy, which version of kubuntu are you using?
[09:03] <heiner> cause it doesnt work for me right now...
[09:03] <Knifa> still 1% -_-
[09:03] <bledy> inam i dont know
[09:03] <arunkale> cango: are you downloading/running that package?
[09:05] <arunkale> ok 'night people
[09:06] <bledy> ok night arunkale thnx
[09:06] <inam> bledy, can you click k-menu -> system -> adept
[09:07] <goku> this blows kopete has a bug
[09:09] <bledy> ook inam
[09:09] <bledy> than inam?
[09:11] <inam> bledy, in the search box, type "firefox" and click enter
[09:11] <draik> Anyone here know the name of the app that lets you read Linux partitions on NTFS?
[09:11] <heiner> draik: mount
[09:11] <draik> heiner, that's the name of the app?
[09:12] <heiner> forget it, im an idiot
[09:12] <DaSkreech> draik: Can you explain what you mean?
[09:12] <inam> draik: you are looking for a win32 app
[09:12] <bledy> ok inam
[09:12] <draik> win32 app, yes
[09:12] <coreymon77> draik: ive used captain nemo
[09:12] <draik> coreymon77, I will look that up right now, thank you
[09:12] <heiner> exit
[09:12] <inam> bledy, do you see an entry title "firefox"... is the staus of that "installed" or "not installed"
[09:14] <bledy> not installed
[09:14] <bledy> inam
[09:15] <inam> bledy, you can right click on firefox and choose "request install". after that you have to click on "apply" on the toolbar
[09:15] <bledy> i did right click -> install -> apply
[09:15] <bledy> and is installing now
[09:15] <inam> bledy, great :)  have fun using firefox
[09:15] <bledy> thanks
[09:15] <bledy> thanx inam
[09:15] <bledy> have a nice night
[09:16] <inam> bledy, you can use adept to search for and install any application that you might want
[09:16] <coreymon77> couldnt he just type apt-get install mozilla-firefox into a terminal
[09:16] <bledy> inam, thnx very much for your hekp
[09:17] <bledy> for ur help
[09:17] <bledy> thnx
[09:17] <jessica_> ??
[09:17] <jessica_> ?
[09:17] <inam> coreymon77, he could have... but im kinda to new to linux myself :)
[09:17] <Knifa> good news!
[09:17] <Knifa> the language-base-en thing finished
[09:17] <Knifa> -_-
[09:17] <Knifa> after about an hour
[09:18] <jessica_> i dont understood
[09:18] <jessica_> ;)
[09:18] <Knifa> you what now
[09:18] <jessica_> ich bin deutsch...
[09:18] <jessica_> lol
[09:18] <Knifa> ah
[09:18] <jessica_> und du?
[09:19] <Knifa> i am scottish.
[09:19] <jessica_> but you can speak german...
[09:19] <ryanakca> What directories do I delete to return to default kubuntu settings. $HOME/.kde/share/what?
[09:19] <zorglu_> !de
[09:19] <socres> hi @ all
[09:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:20] <zorglu_> ok i think i did this one without reading :)
[09:20] <inam> !ta
[09:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <inam> never mind ubotu :)
[09:20] <Kiongku> lol..
[09:21] <jessica_> Knifa?
[09:21] <Knifa> hello
[09:21] <Knifa> oh
[09:21] <Knifa> i can't
[09:21] <Knifa> but
[09:21] <Knifa> i understand what that means
[09:21] <jessica_> ah...
[09:21] <ryanakca> What directories do I delete to return to default kubuntu settings. $HOME/.kde/share/what?
[09:21] <jessica_> wie alt bist denn du?
[09:21] <Knifa> i dunno any more than what you said the first time :(
[09:21] <ryanakca> jessica_: pleawe see what ubotu said
[09:22] <Knifa> yeh.
[09:22] <jessica_> ???
[09:22] <ryanakca> !de
[09:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:23] <inam> people... i need help with choosing the version of gcc to download... im just playing around with the code for "cal" and "banner"... now i need to compile it... so...
[09:23] <ryanakca> inam: gcc is in the repositories
[09:23] <jessica_> i dont no what you have said...
[09:23] <inam> ryanakca, but which verison of gcc should i use... 3.3 or 4.0 ?
[09:24] <Kiongku> inam.. read the manual with the cal or banner
[09:24] <Kiongku> it should say what it requires
[09:24] <ryanakca> jessica_: this is the channel for english help. please join #kubuntu-(twoletterlanguagecode) for help in that language.
[09:24] <DaSkreech> !de > jessica_
[09:24] <ryanakca> jessica_: example: #kubuntu-fr for help in french, #kubuntu-it for italian help, etc
[09:25] <Kiongku> there is no help for mauritius :P
[09:25] <ryanakca> inam: install both
[09:25] <ryanakca> inam: but I'd go with 4.0
[09:25] <Kiongku> ryanakca: its a radical solution..
[09:26] <ryanakca> Kiongku: I have no clue about the fine details between the two... and I believe that I currently have both installed... so... :D
[09:26] <cango> please
[09:26] <luca_b> hmmm, longer dinner and associated talks than I expected
[09:27] <ryanakca> What directories do I delete to return to default kubuntu settings. $HOME/.kde/share/what?
[09:27] <cango> the mp3s opened and closed
[09:27] <cango> i can't listen
[09:27] <luca_b> ryanakca: .kde as whole
[09:27] <Kiongku> cango
[09:27] <Kiongku> !mp3
[09:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <Kiongku> hmm never tried delete everything in .kde.. i wonder
[09:28] <TheGateKeeper> cango: if you are using the xine engine then install libxine-extracodecs
[09:29] <cango> where can i find
[09:29] <fdoving> Kiongku: you could just try to move it away. in case you want it back :)
[09:29] <Kiongku> in repositories.
[09:29] <jessica_> ist hier jemand deutschsprachig?
[09:29] <fdoving> !de
[09:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:29] <Kiongku> fdoving: hmm indeed.. but my distro running very well for now. :) dunt need it
[09:30] <fdoving> Kiongku: ok, just wanted you to know that moving .kde might be a better solution, than deleting. :)
[09:31] <scion> hello all
[09:31] <Kiongku> fdoving: yeah just in case
[09:31] <Kiongku> scion: hmm u make me think of a game..
[09:32] <scion> i got a package problem, is there anyone who can spare a few min?
[09:32] <scion> Kiongku: what game is this?
[09:33] <TheGateKeeper> scion: so what is the problem?
[09:33] <inam> jessica_, bitte schreiben Sie, '/join #kubuntu-de '
[09:33] <scion> TheGateKeeper: cannot load Disks and Filesystems from the control panel
[09:34] <scion> TheGateKeeper: since my last update
[09:34] <scion> possible reasons - orphaned control module or old third party modules
[09:35] <jessica_> ,/join #kubuntu-de
[09:35] <scion> wtf? it worked fine yesterday when i was trying to fix my usb hdd problem!
[09:35] <scion> one problem swiftly followed by another!
[09:36] <jessica_> i dont understand this here...
[09:36] <scion> jessica_: what do you not understand?
[09:36] <inam> jessica_,  bitte schreiben Sie, /join #kubuntu-de
[09:36] <P4ck3t> i dont have resolv.conf in /etc .......... how i will get it?? do i have to install bind?
[09:37] <ryanakca> jessica_: this place is for help in ENGLISH. if you want help in GERMAN, please type: /join #kubuntu-de
[09:37] <ryanakca> jessica_: click on #kubuntu-de
[09:37] <scion> that the german channel!!
[09:38] <jessica_> thx
[09:38] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: can you ascertain someone's client?
[09:39] <P4ck3t>  i dont have resolv.conf in /etc .......... how i will get it?? do i have to install bind?
[09:39] <inam> she finally went to the german channel... i went there to see if she reached fine and she did :)
[09:39] <Kiongku> scion: battlzone 2
[09:40] <scion> de = Deutschland
[09:40] <scion> Kiongku: classic game
[09:40] <scion> TheGateKeeper: any joy
[09:40] <TheGateKeeper> scion: don't know what to suggest really
[09:41] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: no, but I'm judging that by the fact that they have a hard time understanding how to use IRC and that they're using Kubuntu, that Konversation is their client... educated guess
[09:41] <TheGateKeeper> scion: I know they messed up the flash plugin for firefox
[09:42] <TheGateKeeper> scion: has automount just stop working?
[09:42] <fdoving> P4ck3t: create one.
[09:43] <scion> TheGateKeeper: this is so annoying
[09:43] <scion> TheGateKeeper: i really don't want to do a fresh install
[09:43] <TheGateKeeper> scion: can you mount manually using the cli?
[09:44] <fdoving> what automounting? usb?
[09:54] <karim_> hello pretty linux gurls out there
[09:54] <healingdread> indeed...deepest sympathy and so on. anyone care to bring me up to speed?
[09:54] <Tm_T> karim_: talking to me?
[09:54] <karim_> if ur a girl?
[09:54] <healingdread> you know lilo
[09:55] <healingdread> not a girl in this lifetime
[09:55] <karim_> lol
[09:55] <DaSkreech> healingdread: Check freenode's website
[09:55] <Tm_T> karim_: no, I'm not girl nor pretty, so stop that
[09:55] <DaSkreech> !women
[09:55] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:55] <fdoving> healingdread: http://freenode.net/news.shtml
[09:56] <healingdread> thanks brb
[09:57] <healingdread> once again symathy to all who knew him.
[09:57] <DaSkreech> healingdread: Yeah it's horrible news
[09:58] <omega> Hello.
[09:58] <healingdread> obviously a popular guy. we must remember to celebrate the lives of those who leave us
[09:58] <healingdread> and remember the lessons they teach
[09:59] <omega> I have a SATA drive and an IDE one. Windows is installed on the SATA one and the IDE is empty. Can I install kubuntu on the IDE one and still dual boot properly? No problems with booting SATA drives or anything?
[09:59] <healingdread> the name is unfamiliar to me. i just installed linux this week
[10:00] <healingdread> dont know. i have 2 ide. one on each for now
[10:00] <healingdread> no obvious problems there tho
[10:00] <ge2x> could som1 plz help me i installed the nvidia-glx drivers but sometimes my computer just freezes and the only thing left for me to do is push reset
[10:00] <omega> used to be like that for me too, but I bought some new hardware, so I'm not sure.
[10:01] <healingdread> whats the differencew betwwen ide and sata?
[10:02] <cango_> help i can't play my mp3's
[10:03] <ge2x> i believe that linux isn't meant to be a desktop but just a server
[10:03] <scion> healingdread: ide is slower then SATA and SATA uses different power molex and connector
[10:03] <scion> healingdread: SATA does not use a standard ribbon IDE cable
[10:04] <luca_b> ge2x: I disagree as I use it for work, on non-programming related tasks
[10:04] <inam> !easyubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[10:04] <inam> !easyubuntu > cango_
[10:05] <healingdread> so sata would require a different motherboard?
[10:05] <scion> cango_: what media player are you using?
[10:05] <cango_> mp3s
[10:05] <cango_> amarok
[10:05] <scion> healingdread: the connectors come on most new motherboards
[10:06] <TheGateKeeper> scion: I am told that you can  use: 'mountconfig' program
[10:06] <scion> healingdread: however you can buy a PCI adapter card
[10:06] <inam> cango_, check out http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html
[10:06] <scion> TheGateKeeper: thanks for the advice, i will investigate
[10:06] <Creedence> hey dudes, anyone having problems installing flashplayer-nonfree
[10:06] <cango_> what can i do
[10:06] <TheGateKeeper> scion: you using edge?
[10:06] <cango_> i am rookie for linux
[10:07] <inam> !restricted formats
[10:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:07] <scion> cango_: i am currently setting up this now myself... bear with me
[10:07] <scion> TheGateKeeper: Dapper Drake
[10:07] <TheGateKeeper> Creedence: yes hang on...
[10:07] <Creedence> TheGateKeeper, gotta restart X, brb :)
[10:07] <inam> cango_, kubuntu does not support mp3 out of the box. please read the links on RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <ep> In Firefox, I can select File | New Window and a new instance of Firefox will pop up quickly.  However, If I do the same thing from the K-Menu or from the icon on the panel, I get a busy-cursor for a minute or so, eventually failing. Why the difference?  The command on the menu is "firefox %u"
[10:08] <healingdread> thanks scion
[10:08] <healingdread> maybe one day
[10:08] <cango_> now i must converse mp3 to ogg
[10:08] <inam> cango_, if you still want to install mp3 codecs, please go to http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html and run the four commands
[10:08] <cango_> didn'T it
[10:09] <DaSkreech> can I refresh a users login?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> set it all back to default?
[10:09] <scion> DaSkreech: easier making a new user
[10:09] <healingdread> scion. ok. on that topic...
[10:10] <healingdread> how would i add a user to this os
[10:10] <healingdread> its not obvious to me
[10:10] <DaSkreech> scion: So  back up the old user and  recreate it?
[10:11] <cango_> how to how to how to
[10:11] <healingdread> only way to learn my friend
[10:11] <cango_> i don't listen my mp3 %
[10:11] <cango_> & midis
[10:12] <scion> DaSkreech: create new user and with sudo copy from old user folder into new user folder... then delete old user folder from your /home/
[10:12] <ep> Also, If I can launch new windows quickly in a terminal by just typing 'firefox'... I think I'll try editing k-menu and just ditching the '%u' in the command field
[10:12] <DaSkreech> cango_: did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[10:12] <cango_> i don't know
[10:12] <DaSkreech> scion: huh?
[10:12] <jmichaelx> has there been any fix for the faulty flash-plugin update from a few days to go?
[10:12] <Creedence> TheGreatOne
[10:12] <Creedence> sorry I am back
[10:12] <DaSkreech> scion: I want a clean user with the same name
[10:12] <cango_> i am a new yuser for linux
[10:13] <healingdread> cango me also. installed this week
[10:13] <scion> DaSkreech: Then the backup option, then delete then create is what you need to do
[10:13] <healingdread> welcome i think
[10:13] <inam> cango_, can you open konsole ?
[10:13] <healingdread> glad to be aboard i must say
[10:13] <ge2x> cango_ well i recommend u to go back to windows or any other operating system cause kubuntu is UNSTABLE for me
[10:13] <Creedence> I guess he left
[10:13] <cango_> how can i open console
[10:13] <Creedence> anyone else having problems installing flashplayer-nonfree?
[10:13] <MasterEvilAce> these were kept-back in upgrading....  linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[10:13] <MasterEvilAce> how can i find out why?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> scion: backup option being an actual --backup to some command or the copy thing you said above :)
[10:14] <inam> cango_, go to k-menu -> system -> konsole
[10:15] <ge2x> when i enable nvidia drivers my computer keeps crashing and then the only thingi can do is to push reset cause it wont listen to anything else
[10:15] <ge2x> now where is your so called stable linux now?
[10:15] <MasterEvilAce> ge2x: don't blame linux for other package's problems :P
[10:15] <scion> DaSkreech: just copy existing files into a temp directory using sudo
[10:16] <MasterEvilAce> ge2x: but how is it "crashing" ?? pure black screen, nothing else, at a certain point?
[10:16] <ge2x> oh so its nvidias fault is it? then why do i need an os that doesnt have the most important drivers
[10:16] <ep> ge2x linux didn't crash, it's stable
[10:16] <healingdread> ge2x i have a thing called kaffeine which seems to play dvd etc or am i missing your problem?
[10:16] <ge2x> it just freezes
[10:16] <ge2x> the screen just freezes
[10:17] <ep> linux didn't freeze
[10:17] <ge2x> and then nothing works: num lock wont even turn off
[10:18] <ge2x> i press ctrl+alt+backspace the screen goes black and when i press another key nothing happens
[10:18] <ge2x> ep ok ok smart guy linux didnt freeze kubuntu or kde did
[10:19] <MasterEvilAce> How can i find out WHY packages were kept-back from upgrading?
[10:19] <scion> cango_: console is in start>system>konsole
[10:20] <ge2x> for me at least windows is much stable: at least the main drivers work
[10:21] <Creedence> ge2x, I can understand you being frustrated that you can't get things exactly as you want them, you have to admit that out of the box it ran really smoothly didn't it?
[10:21] <scion> ge2x: bad driver!
[10:22] <fdoving> MasterEvilAce: apt-get -s install 'packagenames'
[10:22] <ge2x> scion but i installed from synaptis
[10:22] <fdoving> MasterEvilAce: that -s is for 'simulate'
[10:23] <Creedence> ge2x, can I ask why exactly you want to run the new NVidia drivers? Were you trying to do something that you weren't able to without them?
[10:23] <scion> ge2x: exactly thats the problem
[10:23] <ge2x> i am trying to play quake3
[10:23] <Creedence> ge2x, ahhh.
[10:23] <scion> ahh i got that running, and castle wolfenstein
[10:24] <MasterEvilAce> linux-headers-generic: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.17-9-generic but it is not installable............ how in the WORLD are these packages trying to install headers that aren't on the REPO, yet??? 2.6.17-8 is the newest
[10:24] <scion> ge2x: what card do you have?? ati?
[10:24] <Creedence> ge2x, what can do you have?
[10:24] <ge2x> nvidia ti4200
[10:25] <ge2x> scion do u think im stupid - trying to install nvidia drivers on an ati card?
[10:25] <scion> cango_: in adept search for libxine-extracodecs, just got mp3 setup there
[10:26] <Creedence> ge2x, I think you should try the more up to date ones from Nvidia.com. If I remember right your card is pretty new and Nvidia has instructions how to install.
[10:26] <scion> ge2x: no, i asked a basic/standard question
[10:26] <MasterEvilAce> Is it recommended FrameBuffer be on or off?
[10:26] <Creedence> ge2x: I think they are here - http://www.nvidia.com/page/partner_certified_drivers.html
[10:26] <scion> ge2x: its rude to ask for help and then come out with comments like that
[10:27] <ge2x> ok ok im sorry im just very upset
[10:28] <Creedence> ge2x, please understand if you aren't used to linux then it will take some time. Of and on I played around with Linux for a couple of years until I made the 'switch'
[10:28] <ge2x> i also tried to install those drivers from nvidia.com but then the konsole told me that i should shutdown the x server to install or somethin
[10:28] <Creedence> ge2x, if you have more time it might be quicker for you
[10:29] <Creedence> ge2x, okay... I don't know how but I think if you ask here some would help you do that.
[10:29] <ge2x> ok if i tell u what errors the installation spits out will u help me?
[10:30] <ge2x> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
[10:30] <ge2x> could som1 plz help me what should i do now?
[10:31] <scion> ge2x: all ya gotta do is print off the docs, quit x server then follow the docs
[10:31] <Creedence> ge2x, it looks like you are installing from within konsole
[10:31] <ge2x> yep
[10:31] <ge2x> where do i get the docs?
[10:32] <Creedence> scion, how do you quit X without shutting down? I can't rememnber
[10:32] <scion> ge2x: did you happen to come accross a .run file
[10:32] <scion> Creedence: i think it is stop x
[10:32] <Creedence> ge2x, look here http://www.nvidia.com/object/driver_installation_hints.html
[10:32] <scion> the opposite to start x... lol
[10:32] <scion> ge2x: ok reading now
[10:32] <ge2x> yep
[10:32] <Creedence> scion - hahaha, stupid logic!!!
[10:33] <Creedence> ge2x, so print those off
[10:33] <scion> Creedence: lol
[10:33] <Creedence> ge2x, do what scion asked to stop X, you may need to access anothe terminal, you can do that by pressing ctrl-alt F6 and logging on
[10:33] <healingdread> i feel that linux is gonna be a trip
[10:34] <Creedence> remember unless you have 2 pcs you lose us in the process :)
[10:34] <Creedence> healingdread - what do u mean?
[10:34] <scion> ge2x: "Windows Control Panel"
[10:34] <sangeli> Hi, I just finished installing kubuntu and am working on customizations. Can someone please help me with setting up proper video card? I have a nVidia 6600 GT
[10:34] <healingdread> creedence i just got a good feeling is all
[10:34] <scion> ge2x: whats the exact model of card
[10:35] <Creedence> sangeli - hehe, kinda funny we just are in the middle with ge2x
[10:35] <ge2x> geforce titanium 4200 (ti4200)
[10:35] <scion> okok
[10:35] <Creedence> sangeli - can I ask why you wanna update?
[10:35] <Creedence> did you try something that didn't work?
[10:35] <ge2x> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[10:35] <ge2x>          installing.
[10:35] <ge2x> oh sorry about that :)
[10:35] <ge2x> http://www.nvidia.com/object/driver_installation_hints.html these are for windows
[10:35] <sangeli> Creedence, sure: because I wish to switch from "nv" to "nvidia"
[10:36] <Creedence> healingdread - it's good for people who want something different... who like to play, you know.... us geeks :)
[10:36] <sangeli> Creedence, so I can use propretary nvidia drivers
[10:36] <Creedence> sangeli - why though? do you want to run something specific that doesn't work with nv?
[10:36] <healingdread> creedence i got that
[10:37] <luluza> who using team speak??
[10:37] <healingdread> it's all greek to me
[10:37] <sangeli> Creedence, nv is drivers that are shipped with kernel. nvidia are drivers provided by nvidia and usually are more updated too
[10:37] <ironfroggy> is it possible to have firefox plugins play sound through arts? i tried setting arts in the firefoxrc, but it doesnt seem to work.
[10:37] <sangeli> now, anybody know how to upgrade drivers?
[10:37] <ironfroggy> that is, it cant play sound if any KDE apps are playing something.
[10:37] <Creedence> sangeli - i agree but I figure if it ain't broke.... hehehe
[10:37] <Creedence> sangeli - i used the automatix, some people in here aren't fans but it worked for me
[10:38] <sangeli> I see
[10:38] <Creedence> http://www.getautomatix.com/
[10:38] <ge2x> omg so did everybody forget about me what should i do to install those drivers
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> nvidia has just released beta drivers with aiglx support (I would use those with xorg 7.1 and edgy - if I had an nvidia)
[10:38] <Creedence> ge2x, like I was telling sangeli - maybe instead of using nvidia.com drivers you should try using automatix at the site I wrote above
[10:39] <Creedence> it's a script
[10:39] <Creedence> VERY NICE
[10:40] <scion> ge2x: 32bit or 64bit system
[10:40] <inam> i know this sounds silly, but im trying to compile banner.c and it says it cant find stdio.h... now which package has stdio.h?
[10:40] <sangeli> is glx working, transparencies too?
[10:40] <ge2x> 32bit
[10:40] <sangeli> yes
[10:41] <scion> ge2x: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0310.html
[10:42] <scion> ge2x: this is the .run file... similar to the ati installer
[10:43] <scion> ge2x: a graphical installer that is
[10:43] <scion> ge2x: STEP 2 - instead of sh its sudo
[10:43] <Creedence> gotta jet guys
[10:43] <ge2x> but that is nforce driver
[10:44] <Creedence> see you later
[10:44] <fdoving> inam: that's not a silly question.
[10:44] <scion> ge2x: excuse me - http://www.nvidia.com/object/nzone_downloads_linux_display_x86_1.0-9625.html
[10:44] <MadRabbit> !sudo
[10:44] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:44] <zorglu_> scion: yep, be sorry :)
[10:45] <scion> the search came with 100% related :P - http://www.nvidia.com/page/search.html?page=1&keywords=ti4200+linux&booleanMode=0
[10:45] <fdoving> inam: it's in the 'libc6-dev' package.
[10:45] <scion> ge2x: i'm not really sorry - I have my card pumping out quake 3
[10:45] <scion> ge2x: lmao
[10:46] <ge2x> oh and why the beta driver?
[10:46] <inam> thanks fdoving... im installing... :)
[10:47] <scion> ge2x: because from other results google spat out it appears to work just fine
[10:47] <fdoving> inam: in the future you can go to http://packages.ubuntu.com to find out what package has what files.
[10:50] <luca_b> For those apt with the command line, there is a nifty command for that
[10:50] <sangeli> what about firefox plugins? How to install them all?
[10:57] <Homer> !tribler
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tribler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Homer> !info tribler
[10:57] <ubotu> Package tribler does not exist in any distro I know
[10:57] <Homer> :\
[11:03] <scion> Homer: looks like compiling the source is your only option!
[11:08] <luca_b> !info kile
[11:08] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.8.1-3.2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1242 kB, installed size 5512 kB
[11:09] <ge2x> hey how to exit the x server plz help me im trying to install the nvidia drivers
[11:10] <mluser-work> how stable/unstable is edgy in general?
[11:10] <scott_w|lappy> it makes windows look stable >.>
[11:10] <scott_w|lappy> :p
[11:10] <mluser-work> :)
[11:11] <Assassin5> !scanner
[11:11] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[11:12] <ge2x> !x
[11:12] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:13] <scott_w|lappy> !kde
[11:13] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[11:13] <scott_w|lappy> cool
[11:13] <host-one> what program can burn .bin image?
[11:14] <ge2x> omg could som1 plzz tell me how to stop the dammned x server
[11:15] <mrbrdo> is making mp3\wma (restricted types) the same as with Ubuntu?
[11:15] <fdoving> ge2x: stop? 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop'
[11:15] <fdoving> mrbrdo: not mp3,if you want to use amarok. it's all explained on the wiki pages.
[11:15] <fdoving> !mp3
[11:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:15] <mrbrdo> aha so it's the same
[11:15] <mrbrdo> oh
[11:16] <mrbrdo> ok well thanks :)
[11:17] <mrbrdo> amarok updates are broken right?
[11:17] <mrbrdo> on dapper
[11:18] <host-one> what program can burn .bin image?
[11:18] <Assassin5> host-one, pretty sure k3b can.
[11:19] <mrbrdo> btw, can adept manage packages like gstreamer etc., or u must install such by aptitude?
[11:19] <mrbrdo> since it was possible in synaptics but adapt doesn't find packages like this
[11:19] <fdoving> host-one: as assassin5 says, k3b can.
[11:19] <mrbrdo> only kde\gnome packages
[11:19] <host-one> whit k3b I burn iso or cue image
[11:19] <fdoving> mrbrdo: you can use adept for that, it's the same list of packages.
[11:20] <mrbrdo> fdoving: when i search for gstreamer, nothing shows up but some "multimedia selector" package
[11:20] <fdoving> mrbrdo: make sure you're not in 'add/remove programs mode".
[11:20] <mrbrdo> oooh
[11:20] <mrbrdo> ok :)
[11:20] <mrbrdo> i thought it was the same thing
[11:20] <fdoving> mrbrdo: start adept from 'kmenu -> system -> adept manager'
[11:20] <host-one> but when I click with right mouse on file.bine he didn't say burn image whit k3b
[11:20] <mrbrdo> yep got it
[11:20] <mrbrdo> thanks a bunch
[11:21] <mrbrdo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats says i need gstreamer0.8-mad.. can i use the 0.10 version? (for mp3 support)
[11:22] <mrbrdo> hm is there one anyway?
[11:22] <mrbrdo> or only 0.8 has mad
[11:25] <fdoving> mrbrdo: i belive you're looking at the ubuntu spesific section. find the kubuntu one.
[11:25] <fdoving> s/c
[11:27] <mrbrdo> nope
[11:27] <mrbrdo> it's for both..
[11:27] <mrbrdo> anyway, which package for mp3 and wma.. gstreamer0.8-mad didn't work, i think it's using gstreamer 0.10
[11:29] <Assassin5> which package can i get the scanner kernel module from?
[11:29] <mrbrdo> hm it actually seems to be using xine (amarok)
[11:30] <cronen> anyone runnin' NoMachine's Free NX server?  not FreeNX
[11:33] <mrbrdo> how to put mp3 support into amarok? the wiki entry is either wrong or old
[11:34] <fdoving> mrbrdo: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s might be helpfull.
[11:35] <P4ck3t> well /dev/ttyS0 is for serial devices.... if it will be usb devices then what path i have to give ???
[11:35] <mrbrdo> better, thanks
[11:35] <mrbrdo> hm
[11:35] <mrbrdo> fdoving: i already did install libxine-extracodecs though, and amarok still won't play mp3s
[11:36] <mrbrdo> do i need to reboot? :O
[11:36] <mrbrdo> nvm works now
[11:36] <fdoving> mrbrdo: no, that shouldn't be neccessary.. did you restart amarok? select the xine engine?
[11:36] <fdoving> good :)
[11:37] <kyaneos> has someone problems updating flashplugin-nonfree?? please
[11:37] <mrbrdo> how to make a window (kopete contact list) remember where it was so it places itself there every time it's restarted
[11:38] <kyaneos> mrbrdo: i think in kcontrol --> windows specific settings
[11:39] <fdoving> mrbrdo: rightclick on the tittlebar -> advanced -> special window settings.. or something like that.
[11:39] <mrbrdo> fdoving: any other way? i have xgl\compiz and i don't have those menus anymore
[11:39] <mrbrdo> kyaneos: let me see
[11:39] <loverboy> hello
[11:40] <loverboy> can somebody help me about fglrx drivers?
[11:41] <mrbrdo> yeah loverboy
[11:41] <mrbrdo> i just installed them on my kubuntu dapper
[11:41] <mrbrdo> working pretty nice for now :)
[11:41] <loverboy> things is like this
[11:41] <loverboy> i have onley piece of driver not full
[11:42] <loverboy> works on suse 10 fine
[11:42] <loverboy> convert from rpm to deb
[11:42] <loverboy> now driver are loaded bud in lsmod is zero ( 0 ) by fglrx
[11:43] <mrbrdo> hm
[11:43] <mrbrdo> well
[11:43] <mrbrdo> i suggest u follow a ubuntu\kubuntu howto, that will be the easiest way for you
[11:43] <loverboy> when i try dpkg reconfigure with fglrx cant log in x server
[11:43] <mrbrdo> !ati
[11:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:43] <mrbrdo> try this
[11:43] <kyaneos> loverboy: what is fglrx??
[11:43] <mrbrdo> kyaneos: ATI binary driver
[11:43] <loverboy> name of the driver
[11:43] <kyaneos> oh okis, thanks
[11:44] <loverboy> brdo da nisi neki balkanac?
[11:44] <mrbrdo> slovenac :)
[11:44] <loverboy> xex
[11:44] <loverboy> jos tipkamo engleski :)
[11:44] <fdoving> mrbrdo: for your placement issue, you can try this command: kwin_rules_dialog --wid `dcop kopete mainWindow getWinID`
[11:44] <mrbrdo> lol ok :)
[11:44] <mrbrdo> fdoving: i'm using cgwd not kwin
[11:44] <loverboy> e nemogu skidati punu verziju .run imam dial up :(((
[11:45] <sybux> I've got some problem with the installation of a 686 kernel. When I start X, it stop on the Kubutnu picture. any idea ?
[11:45] <fdoving> mrbrdo: ah.. then you're out of luck.
[11:45] <mrbrdo> loverboy: i still recommend following the wiki anyway :) it may be that your suse package isn't even compatible with kubuntu
[11:45] <mrbrdo> fdoving: :)
[11:46] <loverboy> thats package from ati
[11:46] <loverboy> converted by alien
[11:46] <socres__> ES GEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT
[11:46] <mrbrdo> loverboy: oh!
[11:46] <cronen> speaking of suse.. any converts from suse to kubuntu?
[11:46] <mrbrdo> loverboy: sec plz
[11:47] <mrbrdo> loverboy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI scroll down to section 4. Using the drivers from ati.com
[11:47] <mrbrdo> loverboy: if that's something that you did, then just start from where u ended
[11:47] <loverboy> mrbrdo thnks hope this works!
[11:47] <mrbrdo> hope so too :)
[11:47] <loverboy> ziv bio brate :)
[11:48] <loverboy> cheers...
[11:48] <mrbrdo> :P
[11:48] <mrbrdo> neighbour country :)
[11:49] <mrbrdo> what's "wacom" for?
[11:49] <mrbrdo> i get errors about it in xorg log, can i remove it from xorg.conf?
[11:49] <fdoving> tablets
[11:49] <fdoving> you sure can.
[11:49] <mrbrdo> i don't need that then
[11:49] <LeeJunFan> mrbrdo: yeah, but it doesn't hurt to leave there.
[11:49] <mrbrdo> LeeJunFan: don't like errors :P
[11:50] <LeeJunFan> it's just telling you it didn't find it.
[11:50] <mrbrdo> i don't own a tablet so i guess i'll never need that
[11:51] <mrbrdo> hm i gotta say kubuntu works great
[11:52] <mrbrdo> had many problems in ubuntu but not here.. maybe it's because of a clean install though :)
[11:52] <pcastro> anyone install ant-optional in kubuntu?
[11:52] <cronen> hehe
[11:52] <cronen> mrbrdo - you using synaptic or adept to install stuff?
[11:52] <cronen> I'm new to kubuntu
[11:52] <cronen> never used ubuntu
[11:52] <pcastro> i try apt-get install ant-optional but says package is not available
[11:52] <cronen> or any debian based release :P
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: i use adept now
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: or aptitude
[11:53] <cronen> any reason?
[11:53] <pcastro> tried synaptic but no ant-optional
[11:53] <cronen> ok.. what's ant-optional?
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: cause it's made for kubuntu and synaptics is made for ubuntu :)
[11:53] <mrbrdo> cronen: it's pretty nice tho, looks even better than synaptics (adept that is)
[11:54] <cronen> hrrmm.. I kinda like how synaptic arranges things
[11:54] <mrbrdo> only started using it now but i like it
[11:54] <pcastro> ant-optional is optional packages for ANT :-)
[11:54] <mrbrdo> cronen: for example?
[11:54] <cronen> hehe .. ahh pcastro
[11:54] <ryanakca> !restricted
[11:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:54] <cronen> there's that left pane.. I can easily select sections
[11:54] <mattikoo> What is right NVAgp value in xorg.conf  for geforce MX400?
[11:54] <pcastro> contains things like replaceregexp and other optional ant tasks
[11:54] <cronen> and I seem to like the search tool better
[11:55] <mrbrdo> cronen: oh well, i guess u'll get used to it :P i'd recommend using it over synaptics, because u need gnome libs for synaptics
[11:55] <cronen> the only thing that's weird is that sometimes... when I install an app.. the terminal window is waiting for a response
[11:55] <cronen> and I dont' know it.. so it seems like it's hanging
[11:55] <cronen> this could be the issue I'm having :P
[11:56] <mrbrdo> terminal window?
[11:56] <cronen> yeah
[11:56] <mrbrdo> what does it have to do with adept?
[11:56] <cronen> nothing.. but when I run synaptic I've had this problem
[11:56] <cronen> it's like an ncurses app
[11:56] <mrbrdo> synaptic is a gnome app afaik
[11:56] <cronen> for example on the postfix install
[11:57] <mrbrdo> if you mean synaptic from ubuntu
[11:57] <cronen> I'll stick with adept then
[11:57] <cronen> yeah that one
[11:57] <swatgoss> re all
[11:57] <mrbrdo> cronen: if u want a ncurses (or something like it, not sure) packet manager, try aptitude
[11:58] <mrbrdo> cronen: i'm sure we'll get used to adept :) it's not all that bad, we just need to adapt :P
[11:58] <cronen> nod... I'll play with adept some more
[11:58] <mrbrdo> anyway, i've got a question
[11:58] <cronen> woot.. got firefox updated :)
[11:58] <mattikoo> cronen: I have synaptic in kubuntu
[11:58] <mrbrdo> i've got 2 cards, but i'd like an easy way to switch between them when i want
[11:58] <mrbrdo> how can i do that
[11:58] <cronen> dunno much about multicard stuff
[11:59] <mrbrdo> cronen: u can install synaptics ofc, but it's a gnome app in essence :)
[11:59] <cronen> oh yeah mattikoo?
[11:59] <mattikoo> cronen: I had problems when I installed it
[11:59] <cronen> mattikoo: it's ok for the most part but sometimes it attempts to launch a ghome window
[11:59] <cronen> mattikoo: and I only saw that when I expanded the 'terminal' option
[12:00] <mrbrdo> ;P
[12:00] <cronen> so... going with adept :P
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> when it comes to GUI I like synaptic better, but 99.9% of the time I use apt-get and apt-cache on the command line anyway...
[12:00] <cronen> alright everyone .. have fun kubuntuing... kubuntu rocks btw :)
[12:06] <klerfayt> I can't eject dvd - "umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy"
[12:08] <fdoving> klerfayt: try 'sudo umount -l /media/cdrom0' (the -l is for lazy)
[12:08] <fdoving> i'm going to bed. nite.
[12:08] <knithx> I am having problems with xgl compiz
[12:08] <Mortice> !xgl
[12:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:09] <klerfayt> fdoving: it worked; any idea why it was busy?
[12:10] <knithx> I have ATI
[12:10] <knithx> :S
[12:10] <fdoving> klerfayt: something used it. don't know what, it's too late to find out now. :)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> btw guys dappers compiz is broken (trying to install) just letting you know
[12:10] <gnomefreak> and the warning was placed on the page :) good


[03:33] <Namor> rrr
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> rrr?
[09:47] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: form of greeting, obviously
[10:11] <Myrtti> urrur
[10:17] <dw4tkins> ug
[10:33] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[10:39] <popey> yo
[10:41] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:47] <popey> who was it here who was playing with one of those eco buttons?
[10:47] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ecobutton-PC-Energy-Saving-Device/dp/B001FA6TR2/
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> isn't that just a "keyboard" with just one key: suspend?
[10:53] <popey> yeah
[10:53] <popey> marxjohn1on, was looking for a usb button which could be mapped to acpi shutdown
[10:53] <popey> i figured you could map that to anything
[10:59] <dwatkins> I've been looking into X10 power controllers, perhaps I should also setup some kind of remote shutdown system to go with it, popey.
[11:00] <brobostigon> question, how do i power a raspberry pi, from a normal power socket?
[11:00] <dwatkins> brobostigon: I use a Tomtom power supply or a dedicated 5V to MicroUSB adapter.
[11:01] <dwatkins> My TV seems to put out enough current, but when it goes into power save mode, the USB power gets switched off unfortunately. Similar trouble with a 7-port Belkin USB port.
[11:01] <dwatkins> s/port/hub/
[11:02] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, ok. i will have to look at an adaptor i think, something similer.
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: the latest Arduinos can do USB-HID easily
[11:02] <dwatkins> brobostigon: there's a site which sells them fairly cheaply in the uk...
[11:03] <popey> brobostigon, i just use any old usb PSU
[11:03] <popey> i have a few old ones
[11:03] <brobostigon> popey: ah, another interesting idea.
[11:04] <popey> there's got to be a market for a little usb switch
[11:04] <popey> just a usb connector with a button on it, like a yubikey but smaller
[11:11] <dwatkins> brobostigon: this is where I got mine: http://thepihut.com/products/micro-usb-power-supply-for-the-raspberry-pi
[11:12] <dwatkins> I think it's rated at 1 Amp, which should be plenty for the Pi and a couple directly-attached USB devices, so long as they don't draw too much current. Should include wifi adapters.
[11:15] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i am just trying to calculate that. thank you.
[11:16] <dwatkins> I didn't know there was a way to calculate it.
[11:18] <brobostigon> dwatkins: no, how much power things like wifi adaptors, might need.
[11:18] <dwatkins> ahh yes, my Pi takes 3 Watts according to my mains power measuring device, but that's so low it may be inaccurate.
[11:19] <brobostigon> ah.
[11:20] <dwatkins> I've been looking into solar power using Adafruit's charging circuit and a LiPoly battery not sure we get enough sun here in Edinburgh.
[11:21] <brobostigon> cool idea.
[11:22] <dwatkins> oh something like this: http://cgi.cottonpickers.plus.com/~cottonpickers/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7#p7
[11:22] <dwatkins> s/oh/or/
[11:23] <dwatkins> Next step is to make a USB power measurement device with analog panel meters, just to show it nice and visually.
[11:23] <brobostigon> :)
[12:05] <popey> hmm, i broke lighttpd on ubuntu-uk.org
[12:06] <brobostigon> :(
[12:07]  * popey unbreaks
[12:08] <brobostigon> :D
[12:48] <ali1234> what's the law on circumvention devices in the UK these days?
[12:50] <AlanBell> if they are sold by a multinational then it is completely fine
[12:51] <ali1234> such as?
[12:52] <AlanBell> such as using itunes to copy a CD to your idevice
[12:52] <ali1234> ok, that's a rather grey area though
[12:53] <ali1234> i'm talking about hardware, eg modchips, dongle clones etc
[12:56] <AlanBell> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/298 is what we have
[12:57] <AlanBell> there is an EU directive about anti-circumvention, but we didn't add a law to implement it because section 298 of the copyright act was considered sufficient as I understand it
[12:57] <ali1234> no, not transmissions
[12:57] <AlanBell> 1(b)
[12:57] <AlanBell> 2(b) rather
[12:57] <dwatkins> Game consoles?
[12:58] <ali1234> game consoles and software protection dongles
[12:58] <dwatkins> 'Section 296ZB of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA) makes it a criminal offence to sell or distribute "any device, product or component which is primarily designed, produce, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of effective technological measures"'
[12:58] <AlanBell> http://www.out-law.com/page-8701
[12:58] <dwatkins> source: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/JasPurewal/20100111/4075/Are_Modchips_Illegal.php
[12:58] <ali1234> like keylok
[12:59] <AlanBell> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296 then
[13:00] <ali1234> hmm
[13:01] <ali1234> so my reading of that is that if i own a piece of software protected by a hardware dongle, and i circumvent that protection for the purpose of convenience (not needing the dongle) then that's not illegal
[13:01] <ali1234> at least not under that law
[13:02] <AlanBell> indeed, but the person who sold the dongle may be liable for something
[13:02] <AlanBell> if he/she expected you to use it illegally
[13:02] <ali1234> not if i make it myself
[13:03] <AlanBell> that looks fine, as long as you don't publish instructions for others to follow
[13:03] <dwatkins> the manufacturer may try to take you to court, but if they don't know their dongle has been cloned, I can't see how.
[13:03] <ali1234> section 4 may make it illegal actually
[13:05] <ali1234> i know the EU directive does make this illegal since there's no requirement for distribution or commercial purposes
[13:05] <AlanBell> no because it doesn't apply
[13:05] <ali1234> s/does/would/
[13:05] <AlanBell> the EU directive applies to our government
[13:06] <AlanBell> they tell us that we need to make a law that implements a set of rules
[13:06] <AlanBell> the government then makes a law or says "done it already" and that law applies to people in the member state
[13:15] <ali1234> on a related note, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1073089
[14:19] <cliftonts> hi guys
[14:20] <cliftonts> I spoke to someone on here some time ago about bitcoin but I can't remember who it was. Anyone know anything about it?
[14:41] <popey> cliftonts, probably Azelphur or ali1234
[14:43]  * Azelphur knows about bitcoin :p
[14:43] <cliftonts> Cool, I'm rather confused about this whole anonymity thing
[14:43] <Azelphur> thinking of buying this tv btw, thoughts? http://www.ebuyer.com/389620-furrion-55-full-hd-1080p-led-tv-freeview-black-fefs55l1d#product-description :)
[14:44] <Azelphur> cliftonts: anything specific?
[14:44] <cliftonts> if bitcoin has no idea who I am and I wipe my hard disk how do I access any cash I've been sent again?
[14:45] <Azelphur> you make a backup of your wallet.dat, or you don't access your cash again :P
[14:45] <cliftonts> that doesn't sound like a very sturdy system to me
[14:46] <Azelphur> think of it like a physical wallet
[14:46] <Azelphur> if you loose your wallet, it's gone
[14:46] <Azelphur> you should make safeguards to be sure you don't loose it (backups)
[14:46] <cliftonts> I'm thinking about all the idiots in the world who have a hard time not losing a word document let alone a wallet file!!
[14:47] <Azelphur> yep
[14:47] <Azelphur> same people can't keep passwords, email addresses, etc
[14:47] <Azelphur> can't fix stupid :P
[14:47] <cliftonts> I'm intrigued though
[14:48] <cliftonts> very true
[14:49] <cliftonts> I've tried to use it but it's been syncing with the network for about an eon now
[14:49] <Azelphur> cliftonts: might not wanna use the standard client, it has a number of shortfalls :)
[14:50] <Azelphur> I prefer electrum
[14:50] <cliftonts> I wasn't aware there were any others
[14:50] <Azelphur> http://electrum.ecdsa.org/
[14:52] <Azelphur> I like it because it's fast and lightweight, no sync time at all
[14:52] <Azelphur> and it uses a special way of generating addresses such that you only have to take note of a special passphrase to restore your wallet
[14:53] <cliftonts> I'll take a peek
[14:54] <cliftonts> I tried installing the ubuntu version and got wget: unable to resolve host address `apt.bitcoins.sk'
[14:54] <Azelphur> yea, their repo has never worked, use the pip install
[14:55] <cliftonts> ok
[14:56] <cliftonts> actually it seems to have worked second time around
[14:56] <cliftonts> My internet connection is very iffy
[14:56] <Azelphur> haha fun
[14:56] <Azelphur> what version is packaged?
[14:57] <cliftonts> Is I don't know the right answer? lol
[14:57] <cliftonts> I haven't got as far as installing yet, just setting up the PPA
[14:57] <Azelphur> ah
[14:59] <cliftonts> and apt-get update is now taking forever
[14:59] <cliftonts> I'm borrowing fire optic from a friend who lives across the road. I get an amazing 1mb which cuts out often
[14:59] <Azelphur> you need a cantenna :P
[15:00] <cliftonts> I know. I'm not sure how I'd rig one up to a laptop though
[15:01] <Azelphur> http://www.instructables.com/id/Fast-Cheap-and-Easy-Wifi-Cantenna/
[15:01] <Azelphur> if you've got a pringles or similar can, it's even better (the longer, the more directional and thus better signal)
[15:02] <cliftonts> Now that is genius! All the designs I've seen are so complicated
[15:02] <Azelphur> :)
[15:04] <cliftonts> Ok, it's failed to find electrum even after all that. Pip install it is!
[15:04] <Azelphur> yep haha
[15:05] <cliftonts> If I build one of those cantennas I should be able to download the entire internet in no time! The connection is lightning fast
[15:06] <cliftonts> Shame I don't actually have a usb wifi card really
[15:06] <Azelphur> :D
[15:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:06] <Azelphur> ebay has em dirt cheap
[15:06] <cliftonts> I am poor
[15:06] <cliftonts> my car ate all my money when it broke down and now I have £7 to pay for £3.60 a day bus fare and food for the week
[15:07] <Azelphur> :(
[15:08] <cliftonts> exactly
[15:10] <dogmatic69> cliftonts: time to put those two poles extending from the torso to good use?
[15:10] <cliftonts> All set up and running. Anyone care to donate a few bitcoins so I can build a cantenna? lol
[15:11] <cliftonts> dogmatic69: to get to work on Monday on time I'd have to start walking now!!
[15:11] <dogmatic69> off you go :P
[15:11] <cliftonts> Luckily I get the car back on Monday evening
[15:11] <Azelphur> cliftonts: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-150Mbps-Mini-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Adapter-150M-Network-LAN-Card-802-11n-g-b-/140843453891?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item20caec8dc3
[15:12] <Azelphur> I wasn't kidding when I said ebay has them cheap :P
[15:12] <Azelphur> (note that'll take like a month to get to UK most likely)
[15:12] <cliftonts> most likely. But there are enough flooding the second hand market. I can probably get one off freecycle
[15:13] <Azelphur> true :P
[15:13] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: cliftonts: few pennies more, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-150Mbps-Mini-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Adapter-150M-Network-LAN-Card-802-11n-g-b-UK-/370569077102?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item5647a3616e
[15:13] <dogmatic69> second class, less than a week I would guess
[15:13] <Azelphur> oO
[15:14] <dogmatic69> before xmas delivery atm
[15:14] <cliftonts> I'm not too fussed anyway. It does work and I can get my emails. So speeding it up isn't exactly a priority.
[15:14] <cliftonts> I'll treat myself on payday probably (Friday)
[15:23] <cliftonts> Anyway I should get back to work. Thanks for clearing things up for me
[15:39] <ali1234> i've got one of those mini N150 usb dongles they are rubbish
[15:39] <ali1234> it can't even get a signal through 1 wall
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that's physics for you
[15:42] <ali1234> yeah tiny antenna
[15:42] <ali1234> if you put it inside a wave guide it would probably be about as good as just getting a normal sized usb wifi
[15:47] <Neoti_Desktop>  Hi All, hows people... i have a question about releasing software under GPL... i have writen some software to ping telephone numbers and tell you if the number is live or not, my inital testing code i want to release as open source code which is version 1.0.1, im now on version 1.2.1 and would like to release the inital code as open source under GPL... can i do this ?
[15:47] <Neoti_Desktop> from version 1.0.5 i made the software paid for....
[15:50] <ali1234> Neoti_Desktop: if you hold the copyright on all the code then you can do whatever you want with it basically
[16:01] <Neoti_Desktop> excellent.... so i can release the early code i used, which is totally differant to the paid version as open source and have a paid for version ?
[16:02] <Neoti_Desktop> if so thats my contribution back to the open source community handled... :) my software runs on ubuntu 12.04LTS server with asterisk... so if i can release "my" code under GPL thats excellent!!!!!
[16:21] <ali1234> http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/7/846939854148090292/
[16:22] <ali1234> does Unity do something special with the GenericName field that caused valve to think that would be a good idea?
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it shows the GenericName if it exists, probably?
[16:26] <ali1234> not in place of the Name though, or else you;d just see "steam game" "steam game" ...
[16:26] <ali1234> which is exactly what happens on xfce
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, then they _don't_ use it
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> except as a search key in the dash
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> maybe?
[16:29] <ali1234> maybe, but then there's the comment field for that
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> maybe they didn't think and just did what worked?
[16:29] <ali1234> just wondering what the downside would be
[16:29] <ali1234> if any
[17:36] <popey> why am I seeing far eat characters on ali1234's post?
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> because you're hungry?
[17:36] <popey> *east
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> because you're hungry for Chinese food?
[17:37] <popey> http://imgur.com/XoHNo
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: is your browser (or locale) set to Chinese?
[17:41] <popey> no
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> then valve/steampowered.com is confused.
[17:55] <shauno> irrelevant, but it looks korean
[17:56] <ali1234> that is weird
[18:25] <roht> buona sera
[18:26] <roht> oggi stavo usando sul mio travelmate la 12.04 ed al login mi è apparso questo messaggio:"Could not update ICEauthority file /home/missiria/.ICEauthority"
[18:26] <roht> qualche idea?
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> did you run "sudo some-graphical-program" earlier?
[19:08] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm think i know why indicator-weather crashes...
[19:08] <penguin42> ice?
[19:08] <ali1234> it's a race condition with the gobject threading
[19:09] <ali1234> i thought it might be unexpected result from the weather server at first but it seems not
[19:11] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:17] <popey> yo
[19:19] <bigcalm> A random popey appears
[19:27] <solarcloud_3scrn> popy, You Extreme Ironboard-ist you !
[21:56] <solarcloud_3scrn> Vimto is my Elixia tonight !
[22:00] <popey> hmm
[22:00]  * popey desires a cheeky vimto now
[22:16] <directhex> oops. late dinner.
[22:35] <popey> late snack, cheese on toast!
[22:37] <directhex> just had dinner. meatball baguette.
[22:37] <popey> ooh yum!
[22:38] <popey> in fact so yum, that's on the cards for this week one evening
[22:43] <directhex> Tesco have got some nice meatballs back in. They stopped doing interesting ones for a while
[22:44] <directhex> you can fit exactly 7 Tesco meatballs in one Tesco part-bake baguette (the ones that come in packs of 4 for, like, a quid)
[22:45] <dwatkins> I used to have those for my lunch, I'd do the remaining baking first thing in the morning.
[22:49] <mgdm> I have on occasion made bread and left it in the fridge overnight prior to its final rising
[22:49] <mgdm> so I can bake it in the morning
[22:50] <mgdm> it's good, but requires effort
[22:50]  * popey logs into wifeys tesco account and adds meatballs to the order
[22:51] <popey> which ones directhex ?
[22:54] <Azelphur> hehe, I just did a big shop on tesco, they have princes orange/apple juice at half price atm
[22:54] <Azelphur> bought like 40 boxes of the stuff :p
[22:55] <popey> hehe
[22:55] <mgdm> my brother did that once and made cider out of it :)
[22:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:55]  * popey modifies wifeys tesco order
[22:55] <popey> (not a euphemism)
[22:57] <popey> Azelphur, thanks for that tip, that's only 10p more per carton than the cheapo tesco stuff
[22:57] <Azelphur> popey: welcome, yea it's good stuff :)
[23:00]  * popey is looking for interesting meatballs now
[23:05] <directhex> popey, http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=254682966 ?
[23:06] <popey> yah, found them :)
[23:06] <directhex> popey, and all the Finest meatballs on http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294770969+4294770986&Ne=4294793660 are on 2-for-£6
[23:06] <directhex> those are what we use
[23:14] <solarcloud_3scrn> Well , it's late and my teddy bear isn't going to get huggs on her own (!), bye for now.
[23:15] <neuro> euphemism alert
[23:17]  * solarcloud_3scrn is amazed about how many LoCo's there are on G+ communities ... https://plus.google.com/u/0/s/ubuntu%20LoCo/communities   ..and that's just the start !
[23:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> beddie-bys.
[23:40] <haqe17> can anyone help me with a java problem?