[12:20] <LaserJock> mdke: do you know if there has been any progress on the wiki.ubuntu.com licensing?
[12:26] <nixternal> LaserJock: we are going to license it under the GPLv3
[12:26] <robotgeek> !topic
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[12:26] <nixternal> now go back into hibernation! :)
[12:26] <LaserJock> nixternal: are you serious!?!
[12:26] <nixternal> no
[12:26] <LaserJock> phew
[12:26] <robotgeek> lol
[12:26] <nixternal> figured you would have caught that one :)
[12:26] <LaserJock> I was about to freak
[12:26] <nixternal> phew? are you out of your mind!
[12:26] <nixternal> haha
[12:27] <nixternal> GPL > CC-by-garbage any day of the week!
[12:27] <LaserJock> sure, expect no docs that I'm aware of use GPLV3 yet
[12:27] <LaserJock> *except
[12:27] <crimsun> bad, public dom it.
[12:27] <nixternal> that CC stuff has gotten out of hand...there is like CC-by-A-B-C-D-E-F...
[12:27] <robotgeek> is there a list of tasks pending for Kubuntu ?
[12:27] <crimsun> I'll be sure to license all help for alsa under gplv3
[12:27] <LaserJock> nixternal: bah, there is not, it's really simple
[12:27] <nixternal> robotgeek: not really, just work on whatever you feel like
[12:28] <nixternal> crimsun: you rock!
[12:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: docs *we* would use ;-)
[12:28] <nixternal> ouch
[12:28] <robotgeek> nixternal: just wanted to make sure that i did not duplicate work
[12:28] <crimsun> that's true.  That's why I left Ubuntu anyhow.
[12:28] <nixternal> that was a low blow
[12:28] <nixternal> robotgeek: nah, we are flying by the seat of our pants as usual
[12:28] <LaserJock> nixternal: who in the doc team is going to use alsa docs?
[12:28] <nixternal> jjesse is working on the add-applications stuff, and I am working on the index, other than that, everything else is open
[12:29] <jjesse> correct
[12:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: cause nobody looks after alsa?
[12:29] <nixternal> jjesse: you see the new index btw?
[12:29] <jjesse> not yet
[12:29] <crimsun> no, because I don't have a pink pony.
[12:29] <nixternal> crimsun: can I join you in leaving too? maybe we can meet up on Debian Lane :)
[12:29] <robotgeek> when is string freeze?
[12:29] <nixternal> 2 months
[12:29] <nixternal> less than 2 months
[12:29] <crimsun> GutsyReleaseSchedule
[12:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: but you've got 2 Golden ones I think :-)
[12:29] <robotgeek> crimsun: ty!
[12:32] <LaserJock> I'm concerned about the wiki licensing because of the packaging guide
[12:32] <nixternal> ooh, didn't even think about that
[12:32] <LaserJock> with the new doc effort going on in MOTU, there's lots of good material
[12:33] <nixternal> LaserJock: isn't the PG dual licensed?
[12:33] <LaserJock> no
[12:33] <LaserJock> just GPL
[12:33] <nixternal> oh, I thought it was
[12:33] <nixternal> dual license the PG for the time being until the wiki license gets straightened out
[12:33] <LaserJock> I can't exactly
[12:34] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure if I can
[12:34] <nixternal> you can if you get the contributors say so on it
[12:34] <LaserJock> I have an amount of Debian docs in there
[12:34] <nixternal> oh ya
[12:34] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it would count as fair use or not
[12:34] <nixternal> hrmm, well don't they allow double licensing?
[12:34] <LaserJock> I use Debian Policy
[12:34] <nixternal> ya
[12:34] <nixternal> I don't blame you :)
[12:34] <crimsun> err, actual Debian docs or references to Debian docs?
[12:34] <LaserJock> actual Debian Policy material
[12:35] <LaserJock> well, or at least close enough
[12:35] <crimsun> werbatim?
[12:35] <crimsun> verbatim , even
[12:35] <LaserJock> well, I'd have to go back and look
[12:35] <LaserJock> it's not exactly verbatim I don't think
[12:35] <crimsun> if it's not verbatim,then at the very least you can further parphrase and provide an in-place URL
[12:35] <crimsun> paraphrase
[12:36] <LaserJock> Maybe what should be done is to quote the Debian Policy where needed
[12:36] <LaserJock> then it's just a reference, not a derivative work, right?
[12:36] <crimsun> right, what I said.
[12:36] <LaserJock> right
[12:36] <nixternal> how difficult would it be to dual license the Kubuntu docs? we change stuff from KDE, and I need to pull some KDE documentation and integrate it with Kubuntu documentation..for KDE we use GFDL
[12:36] <nixternal> this dual licensing stuff is nuts
[12:37] <LaserJock> I don't think you can just dual license stuff
[12:37] <nixternal> ya...we had it dual licensed once
[12:37] <LaserJock> if it's a derivative work then you have to ask KDE if its ok
[12:37] <LaserJock> because you are in essence relicensing their work
[12:38] <nixternal> true
[12:38] <nixternal> unless we do like crimsun said and paraphrase..will that work?
[12:38] <LaserJock> well, this is something *I'm* not clear on at all
[12:38] <LaserJock> what constitutes a derivative work?
[12:39] <LaserJock> I assume that if you quote or fall under "fair use" a link works without it being a derivative work
[12:42] <nixternal> what was the main reason for switching to CC-by-SA for our docs?
[12:42] <nixternal> was it for the book?
[12:42] <LaserJock> no
[12:42] <LaserJock> well, I'm sure that's part of it
[12:42] <LaserJock> you mean switching from GFDL/CC-by-SA to just CC-by-SA?
[12:43] <nixternal> ya, that sucks for Kubuntu seeing we only have 1 chapter in the book
[12:43] <nixternal> yes
[12:43] <LaserJock> it's basically, IMO, because dual licensing sucks for getting material
[12:43] <LaserJock> the forums are CC-by-SA
[12:43] <LaserJock> the book is
[12:44] <nixternal> help.ubuntu.com/community is as well
[12:44] <LaserJock> yes
[12:44] <LaserJock> the problem with the dual licensing was basically that we weren't compatible with anybody
[12:44] <nixternal> ya, I now understand that after thinking a whole 2 seconds about it
[12:45] <LaserJock> doc licensing really stinks, especially as I haven't seen a clear "leader" like GPL is for software
[12:46] <nixternal> well GFDL is clear, but people made a stink about invariant sections
[12:46] <nixternal> you shouldn't have invariant sections in documentation honestly
[12:46] <LaserJock> why not?
[12:46] <LaserJock> it makes perfect sense to me
[12:47] <nixternal> having stuff that says something like "I think or I believe that Gnome shouldn't or should...."
[12:47] <nixternal> that makes a section invariant correct?
[12:47] <nixternal> you shouldn't have opinions in official/system documentation
[12:47] <LaserJock> no
[12:48] <LaserJock> an invariant section can *only* be in secondary matter
[12:48] <nixternal> i.e. the index?
[12:48] <LaserJock> yes
[12:48] <LaserJock> basically it is for the license of the doc
[12:48] <LaserJock> as you shouldn't be able to change the license right?
[12:49] <nixternal> well I read it as the "opinions" of the author or what not when going through the Debian review of the GFDL
[12:50] <LaserJock> no, I actually read the GFDL
[12:50] <nixternal> I have too, and I will be honest, I was confused a bit by the invariant section part
[12:51] <LaserJock> "The "Invariant Sections" are certain Secondary Sections whose titles are designated"
[12:51] <LaserJock> so it has to be a secondary section
[12:52] <LaserJock> ""Secondary Section" is a named appendix or a front-matter section of the Document"
[12:52] <nixternal> hrmm..what happens if you don't add an "invariant section"?
[12:52] <nixternal> does it then make it free in Debian's eyes?
[12:52] <LaserJock> yes
[12:53] <LaserJock> but RMS likes to make the License section of a doc Invariant
[12:53] <LaserJock> so like Debian took out all the emacs documentation and put it in non-free
[12:54] <nixternal> I was told by Peter Brown this is supposed to change for GFDLv3..how true that is I don't know
[12:54] <LaserJock> well, I understand Debian's position, I just think it's kinda stupid
[12:56] <nixternal> ditto
[12:57] <LaserJock> I thought you could make anything invariant, and that did sound pretty bad
[12:57] <nixternal> actually, I did to
[12:58] <LaserJock> but if you read the details of what a secondary section is it's pretty restriced
[12:58] <nixternal> the Attribution condition for the CC-by-SA is what Debian doesn't view as free right?
[12:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not really sure
[12:58] <LaserJock> I think it's mainly some wording
[12:58] <LaserJock> not really the concept
[01:20] <nixternal> I GET IT NOW
[01:21] <LaserJock> oh?
[01:21] <nixternal> dual licensing doesn't help you with using others work, it only helps downstream in a way...so whoever takes my work, can choose which license they wish to use
[01:21] <LaserJock> exactly
[01:21] <nixternal> OK, now it makes better sense now
[01:21] <nixternal> exactly? why couldn't you stop me from looking like an idiot sooner? :)
[01:21] <LaserJock> so I think initially it was "we'll be nice and let other people do what they want with the Ubuntu docs, like derivs"
[01:22] <nixternal> ya
[01:22] <nixternal> which I think is kind of nice
[01:22] <LaserJock> but now it's like "oh, we'd like to pull material from X and Y, oh darn, our license doesn't work well for that"
[01:23] <nixternal> see, for Kubuntu docs, our main source of course (Dr. Seuss) is KDE which is GFDL
[01:23] <nixternal> so in all honestly, it is kind of silly for us to use CC-by-SA...it would be nice to dual license the wiki truthfully
[01:24] <nixternal> there is quite a bit of documentation on h.u.c/community that was pulled from GPL/GFDL sources
[01:24] <nixternal> hehe, Reno 911 movie is nuts
[01:25] <nixternal> you wanna see a great movie, Hot Fuzz...great British humor in it
[01:25] <LaserJock> heh
[01:34] <nixternal> Hello nixternal,
[01:34] <nixternal> We at Ubuntu Forums would like to wish you a happy birthday today!
[01:34] <nixternal> heh, it must be midnight where ever that server is
[01:35] <nixternal> I had forgotten about that
[01:37] <LaserJock> it's your BIRTHDAY?
[01:38] <nixternal> tomorrow for us
[01:39] <LaserJock> wow, you must be ancient by now ;-)
[01:39] <nixternal> 17
[01:41] <nixternal> lol
[01:45] <crimsun> yous guys are fogeys.
[01:46] <nixternal> hah
[01:49] <LaserJock> crimsun: you're still older than me
[01:49] <LaserJock> and I'm still the youngest person in my lab, except for the summer undergrad guy
[01:50] <LaserJock> but I feel ancient :/
[01:50] <crimsun> I'm younger than nixternal.
[01:50] <crimsun> somewhere between 10 and 16.
[01:51] <nixternal> heh
[01:55] <LaserJock> and they let you work in D.C.?
[01:56] <LaserJock> surely they have child-labor laws
[01:56] <crimsun> I _write_ the child labour laws.  I'm obviously exempt.
[01:56] <LaserJock> ahhhh
[01:58] <LaserJock> crimsun: so are you going to have any time for Debian/other FLOSS even?
[02:01] <crimsun> I guess that depends how badly I want to drive myself to an early grave.
[02:02] <LaserJock> understandable
[02:03] <crimsun> unlike you fogeys, I have to get rest to grow strong, healthy bones.
[02:03] <nixternal> haha
[02:04] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh geeze, you seem to sleep the least of any person I know
[02:04] <LaserJock> I've got to get 8hrs/day
[03:18] <LaserJock> hi jjesse
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #129032 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Switching guide only covers Internet Explorer favorites" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129032
[02:19] <mdke> ok, surely the largest commit ever
[02:19] <mdke> let's see how long it takes
[02:25] <mdke> no, disappointingly fast
[02:29] <fijam> hello
[02:29] <fijam> where do I find &legalnotice?
[02:35] <mdke> fijam: trunk/libs/cdo-C.ent
[02:35] <fijam> thanks.
[02:59] <topaspv> hi! a short question: how can i include a link to a picture without having the picture itself included in the wiki page?
[03:07] <mdke> topaspv: I'm not sure there is a good way to do it (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnActions/AttachFile). You'll probably have to use the "get" link which you see under the attachments page
[03:08] <topaspv> ok, i'll have a try
[03:17] <topaspv> no difference.
[03:23] <mdke> hmm?
[03:23] <mdke> topaspv: what's the page, and where is your link?
[03:23] <topaspv> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SimplyStunningLinuxDesktop
[03:24] <mdke> you tried [link text] ?
[03:24] <topaspv> no
[03:24] <topaspv> i'll do
[03:24] <mdke> ok
[03:25] <topaspv> no, doesn't make a difference
[03:27] <mdke> lemme try
[03:27] <mdke> topaspv: can you come out of the page?
[03:28] <topaspv> out of the page?
[03:28] <mdke> stop editing
[03:28] <topaspv> done
[03:28] <mdke> no, you still have a lock on it
[03:28] <mdke> save or cancel
[03:29] <topaspv> done
[03:30] <mdke> topaspv: ok, it works now. have a look at the format used
[03:30] <topaspv> looks pretty simple
[03:30] <topaspv> thanks :)
[03:31] <topaspv> i'm gonna ask myself why i didn't have this idea myself..
[03:31] <mdke> np
[03:32] <topaspv> bye
[06:03] <jjesse> wow i'm aamazed at how active the mailing list has become
[06:03] <jjesse> that's awesome
[10:29] <techII> ok, does some type of self help "wizard" exist?
[11:27] <mpt> techII, M-x doctor?
[11:27] <mpt> or perhaps you could be more specific?


[00:43] <marion> how do i reinstall java
[01:03] <jon__high9000> i am having problems with the kernel on both lucid and Maverick. i am a newbie at this. the kernel prevents loading (Booting) the system properly.
[01:07] <jon__high9000> Can anyone help?
[01:11] <zebastianortis> http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/28810/221573.aspx#221573
[01:31] <sx> dont happy be worry
[01:42] <Nismine> Hey guys. I just installed kmplayer through kpackagekit but it is not playing any of my videos. Do I need to install something else?
[01:43] <James147> Nismine: do you have the codecs?
[01:44] <Nismine> I'm not sure. New to Kubuntu. How do I check?
[01:44] <James147> Nismine: install "kubuntu-restricted-extras" that should install everything you need
[01:45] <Nismine> James147: I did install that.
[01:45] <James147> Nismine: do oterh video players work? (dragon or kaffeine?)
[01:45] <Nismine> James147: Dragon does.
[01:46] <Nismine> James147: Do I need to install mplayer before kmplayer?
[01:46] <James147> Nismine: then its probally kmplayer :) have you checked the settings for kmplayer? sorry, dont know much about that player so cant really help much more
[01:47] <James147> Nismine: not sure, but if you did then I would have thourght that kpackagekit would have installed it as well
[01:47] <Nismine> James147: Well it didn't, but I guess I will try it manually.
[01:48] <James147> Nismine: then I would think its not required :)
[01:48] <James147> but it wont hurt to install it :)
[01:50] <Nismine> James147: It worked!
[02:07] <Nismine> It would be nice if there was a way to permanently hide the bar on the left on Kaffeine.
[02:08] <James147> Nismine: you can move it :p
[02:09] <Nismine> James147: Yeah, but it still takes some space...
[02:10] <James147> Nismine: you can put it on the bottom with the other bar, and give it as little space as possible :)
[02:10] <Nismine> James147: That is actually much better! Thanks!
[03:22] <coplas> how does one configure default action for when a DVD is inserted?
[03:28] <James147> coplas: system settings > device actions
[03:30] <coplas> James147: any idea what I'd put in there?
[03:30] <James147> coplas: depends what you qwant to do..
[03:31] <coplas> say for a video DVD, for SMPlayer to open it
[03:33] <James147> coplas: copy the one for dragon player/kaffeine
[03:34] <coplas> all it has is parameter type: content disjunction
[03:34] <coplas> is that really enough?
[03:35] <James147> coplas: mine has two elements as well, (the list is a tree, make sure you expand the element
[03:36] <coplas> aaahhh
[03:36] <coplas> okay is this stored in a file somewhere so I can easily copy it? :p
[03:36] <James147> coplas: my guess would be yes :) but I do not know where (somewhere in ~/.kde/share/config is likly though)
[03:36]  * coplas checks
[03:40] <coplas> k
[03:40] <coplas>  /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions/ and ~/.kde/share/apps/solid/actions/, presumably
[03:41] <James147> coplas: probally
[03:49] <coplas> James147: so these are supposed to be offered in a notification when the DVD is inserted?
[03:49] <coplas> what if there is no notification
[03:49] <James147> coplas: i belave they are offered in the device notifier widget
[03:51] <coplas> ah well that's something
[03:51] <coplas> thanks
[03:53] <coplas> still not sure how to have it alwnays use such an actio
[03:53] <coplas> action
[03:54] <James147> coplas: not sure it can trigger then automatically
[03:54] <coplas> I am, just not how
[03:54] <coplas> not all that familiar with KDE
[03:55] <coplas> I suppose I could double up with some hal/udev magick
[03:55] <James147> coplas: as far as i know, kde is only able to automount device, no run actions on them
[03:55] <James147> coplas: yeah, you will probally need to go to a lower level to do that
[03:57] <coplas> just hard to believe, I think GNOME has stuff in place for this
[03:59] <James147> O-o.. its rare taht gnome and do something kde cant :S
[04:03] <coplas> yeah which is why I think I'm just ignorant :p
[04:05] <coplas> anyways, thanks, that was wicked helpful
[04:11] <tomd> Hi, im tying to use fuse and have installed flickrfs and sshfs. when i grep lsmod for fuse, nothing is shown. I also have tried to manually load with sudo modprobe fuse. Using 10.10 with 2.6.32-27-generic 2.6.32-27-generic. Any brilliant insights?
[04:13] <gr8m8> tomd:  any return from trying to modprobe fuse?
[04:14] <tomd> hi gr8m8: no error, should i recive a confrimation?
[04:15] <gr8m8> if you use the -v switch you would get some but if it errors it normally mentions it
[04:16] <tomd> even "sudo modprobe -v fuse" produces no output :|
[04:19] <gr8m8> that's strange - does fuse show in a grep of lsmod now?
[04:20] <tomd> no gr8m8, nothing "lsmod | grep -i fuse"
[04:22] <gr8m8> maybe try   ls -R /lib/modules | grep -i fuse   to see if the module exists
[04:23] <tomd> sweet. thanks gr8m8
[04:23] <tomd> wait, so it exsist, but its still not loaded?
[04:25] <gr8m8> does it exist in the modules for a different kernel you have and not the kernel you are using?
[04:26] <tomd> four diff kernels, including the one that is running
[04:28] <gr8m8> I've no idea why there is no return or succes with modprobe then - maybe fuse has to be started as a service I wouldn't know
[04:29] <gr8m8> !info fuse
[04:29] <gr8m8> !fuse
[04:29] <gr8m8> wasn't much help
[04:30] <tomd> :) thanks for getting me to making sure the mod exsist... that was new to me.
[04:35] <gr8m8> np :-)
[04:59] <tomd> FYI Fuse is complied in rather than a loadable mod... i think... "grep FUSE_FS /boot/config-2.6.32-27-generic
[04:59] <tomd> CONFIG_FUSE_FS=y"
[05:07] <gr8m8> oh
[05:07] <gr8m8> I've never bothered with it... but handy to know
[05:45] <rjwiii> cool ...
[05:50] <rjwiii> is there a gkrellm like utility for kubuntu?
[06:05] <jepong> dragon player is crashing when playing wmv... any suggestion?
[06:08] <rjwiii> jepong: xine
[06:09] <jepong> i tried vlc and it seems work but i do like dragon player
[06:12] <Snowhog> rjwiii: gkrellm is in the *buntu repositories. Just install gkrellm.
[06:13] <rjwiii> Snowhog: I was looking for something a little more up-to-date ... :) I've heard some stuff doesn't work in KDE 4 ...
[06:14] <rjwiii> there may have been some recent updates, but it's still hasn't had much devel activity since 2007 ...
[06:14] <rjwiii> also looking for something KDE related ...
[06:21] <Snowhog> rjwiii: You could go with conky. Light-weight and active.
[06:21] <rjwiii> I'll look  into it ... ty ...
[06:29] <rjwiii> Holy <explitive deleted> does Kubuntu boot fast ... :)
[06:30] <jepong> is it wise to upgrade to kde 4.6 rc1?
[06:30] <rjwiii> rc releases are BETA ... really only for developers and testers ...
[06:31] <rjwiii> I'd wait for the official release or even wait for 4.6.2 or so ... that way they work the bugs out ...
[06:34] <James147> jepong: it mostly depeds on what you want... if you want to help test it and are prepared for anything and everything breaking then go ahead, if you need a stable system then wait at least a week or two after the final release
[06:34] <rjwiii> I just installed the propriatary drivers for my video card and things just got MUCH faster ...
[06:35] <James147> rjwiii: :D
[06:36] <rjwiii> I am amazed how fast Kubuntu boots ... 15 seconds and I'm ready to go ...
[06:47] <DouglasK> Is it possible to change the mouseover delay for the taskbar in KDE 4.5?
[06:50] <James147> DouglasK: til the tool tips show?
[06:50] <James147> DouglasK: system settings > workspace > informational tips...
[06:50] <DouglasK> In this case till till the image of the window(s) show, but yes.  I'll try that.
[06:51] <DouglasK> Ah, that did it.  Much better. :)
[06:51] <DouglasK> Thanks a bunch!
[06:56] <luis_> hello good nite everyone i like to ask you how do i install a x.86.package ono terminal can somebody help me please
[06:57] <DouglasK> luis ... I could be wrong, but as I recall, it
[06:58] <DouglasK> it's dpkg --install <packagename.deb>
[06:58] <DouglasK> Or, if you want it to download from the archive and install, aptitude --install <package name>
[07:00] <luis_> ok
[07:00] <luis_> let me see
[07:05] <James147> DouglasK: its "sudo aptitude install <package>"  ... or "sudo apt-get install <package>" ... you should also note that aptitude isent installed on maverick by default, so best to tell people to use apt-get, it will case less confusion :)
[07:06] <DouglasK> Ah, thanks for that James147.  I add sudo as needed by habit, thanks for the reminder.   I didn't know it's not installed by default.  I sorta toggle between Gnome and KDE a couple times a year.
[07:08] <Daskreech> I think aptitude isn't installed on either
[07:09] <James147> (as of 10.10 anyway ^^)
[07:10] <DouglasK> James147: huh, good to know.
[07:10] <DouglasK> This box was upgraded.
[09:22] <surunveri> hi
[09:22] <surunveri> some of the system updates has apparently slowd down the system so that certain programs dont work very well. any idea howe to fix that?
[09:23] <surunveri> also the mouse sensitivity is too high and cannot be reduced sufficiently from system settings any idea how to work around that?
[09:55] <ubuntu> anyone know how to connect to hidden wireless networks with the kde connection manager?
[10:21] <samuel> hey guys, i have the lenovo g530, and everytime i boot my laptop, it will disable the desktop effects
[11:41] <Sting> tach
[12:18] <m477> #ubuntu-pl
[13:20] <shallwe> hi guys :D
[13:20] <shallwe> someone here uses iphone?
[13:21] <shallwe> i cant pass music from kubuntu for my iphone :(
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> i wrongly deleted all the contents in the fstab. should the swap drive entry be present in fstab?
[14:30] <tsimpson> yes
[14:31] <tsimpson> something like "UUID=..... none swap sw 0 0"
[14:33] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: you mean if the swap drive is not mounted OS wont be able to use it?
[14:34] <tsimpson> I'm not sure if it will auto-detect it or not
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: ok
[14:35] <tsimpson> you can try without, and then use "cat /proc/swaps" to see if it's detected
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: ok i will try that
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: successfully configured to fstab to mount swap.  "cat /proc/swaps" shows the partition
[14:43] <tsimpson> good :)
[14:43] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: thank you
[14:59] <teemu> I'd like to install KDE SC 4.6 RC1 but the instructions are, imho, a bit vague. What's the correct apt source for it?
[15:08] <yofel> teemu: for maverick? add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[15:12] <shane4ubuntu> Happy New Year all!
[15:13] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I have a question, seems like when I leave my desktop for a while (usually over night) I have a crash error, plasma desktop crashed.  Sometimes it happens on boot.  It is real random, and I don't see any effects, everything is running afterwards???  Any ideas?
[15:14] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: the backtrace from drkonqi would help in finding out what exactly crashes - and which KDE version?
[15:15] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: is drkonqi a package or a person?
[15:15] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: drkonqi is the application that tells you something crashed
[15:15] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: kde that the current ubuntu 10.10 has
[15:16] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: all up to date, no special ppa's to upgrade kde or nothing
[15:16] <yofel> ah, try adding the updates ppa then first (ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa)
[15:16] <yofel> maverick has 4.5.1 by default, ppa has 4.5.4
[15:17] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: is that stable?
[15:17] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: 4.5.1 -> 4.5.4 are bugfix releases
[15:17] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: how do I tell what kde I'm running?
[15:18] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: open a kde app -> help -> about KDE
[15:18] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, ok, it is indeede 4.5.1
[15:19] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks! yofel added the ppa, and will start upgrading
[15:19] <shane4ubuntu> wow, 241mb of updates. :)  That is one heavy bug fix. :D
[15:20] <yofel> well, that's all of KDE, since bugfix releases come bundled
[15:20] <shane4ubuntu> y
[15:20] <shane4ubuntu> wrong window :P
[15:21] <yofel> ^^
[15:21] <shane4ubuntu> right, understood, kde is a package, hopefully this will fix it.  It wasn't bad just annoying and random crashes while I'm not around seem odd
[15:22] <shane4ubuntu> I'm used to things crashing when I'm around, I have that effect on computers.
[15:23] <yofel> heh, problem with plasma crashes is that we need the crash stacktrace to identify what component or widget actually crashed, since the whole desktop is loaded as 'plasma-desktop'
[15:23] <shane4ubuntu> right, I try to send in the reports and it always asks, do you remember what you were doing when it crashed (lol)  and then it never sends because there isn't enough info.
[15:24] <yofel> yeah, you need a useful stacktrace for crashes, if you don't have one, the report is useless
[15:24] <shane4ubuntu> what do I need to install to report those?
[15:24] <shane4ubuntu> I'm always glad to report bugs
[15:25] <shane4ubuntu> funny cause with Microsoft I was always paranoid to report bugs, just didn't trust them.
[15:27] <shane4ubuntu> do I need kde-dbg?  or something plasma-dbg?
[15:27] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: when the crash notification comes up - go to the advanced tab (I think it's called so) - it will try to generate the trace, if it fails, click on 'install debug symbols'
[15:28] <yofel> that'll try to install what you need - if it's still incomplete try adding the ddebs repositories from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[15:28] <shane4ubuntu> I did that once, the "install debug symbols"  but for some reason something happened, and I don't know if it installed, I will check next time it pops up.
[15:30] <yofel> yeah, well, if it's still incomplete after that come here to ask ;)
[15:30] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: thanks!
[15:30] <shane4ubuntu> no that link looks pretty complete
[15:31] <shane4ubuntu> very nice article has steps to remove after too, I always love a how to that show how to and has undo . :)
[15:32] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks, gotta run
[15:40] <BigGreenCanoe> Good Morning.  I recently moved from ubuntu 10.10 to kubuntu, 10.10, and seemed to have lost some of the functions that I had.
[15:40] <BigGreenCanoe> Specifically ubuntuone connectivity.  Any help?
[16:03] <tt> Is there any Chinese chatroom
[16:04] <ulysses> hello guys
[16:06] <tt> how to use ibus to input Chinese?
[16:06] <tt> Anyone answer my ques
[16:07] <ulysses> I read a topic on the Hungarian Ubuntu forum, the user installed the latest updates on his Kubuntu 10.04, and the update requestes a reboot. After that the system language was switched to English, and cannot be switched to Hungarian.
[16:08] <ulysses> Also the folder names that contained Hungarian characters can't be open due to invalid character encoding. Do you have any idea?
[16:08] <rork> !cn | tt
[16:39] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: after all those upgrades, is a reboot in order, or is there another way?  tty2 sudo service kdm restart?
[16:39] <yofel> latter, but just logging out would be the same :P
[16:40] <shane4ubuntu> thanks
[16:40] <shane4ubuntu> I didn't realize that logging out reset kdm?
[16:40] <shane4ubuntu> or just the significant desktop stuff.
[16:41] <yofel> hm, not sure, but it does start a new X session, so I assume it restarts kdm too
[16:41] <shane4ubuntu> ok, brb
[16:45] <shane4ubuntu> ok, what is the kde upgrade thing that I need to run to upgrade the rest?  in command line I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it upgraded, howere now it tells me some packages were kept back, I usually go to gui and they upgrade fine
[16:45] <shane4ubuntu> kpackage?
[16:46] <shane4ubuntu> kpackagekit, got it.
[16:47] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: it is wanting to remove kdeartwork, kdm and several other seeming important things, I assume it will replace them?
[16:49] <yofel> erm, wait
[16:49] <kleopatra>  i just installed 10.10 64bit on my system. now my windows will not start anymore no menu from which i could choose appears at startup. What should i do?
[16:49] <omniuni> do you have multiple entries for windows?
[16:50] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: no it shouldn't, can you go to konsole and pastebin what 'apt-get dist-upgrade' says?
[16:50] <izinucs> shane4ubuntu: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will probably catch those last packages
[16:50] <omniuni> for example "windows vista  loader" or something like that, as well as the "normal" entries?
[16:50] <kleopatra> omniuni: for the fact i kiled grub several times in the past i say: i don not have a clue. there is only one windows installed on my computer
[16:50] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549316/
[16:51] <sithlord48> omniuni, do you have a live disk?
[16:51] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: I think I remember seeing you walk someone else through this once,
[16:51] <omniuni> kleopatra: what version of windows do you have installed?
[16:51] <kleopatra> win vista
[16:51] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: let me try something
[16:51] <sithlord48> or you can just hold shift when booting grub and use the recovery options
[16:52] <sithlord48> from there you can fix grub's vista entry (hopefully, by simply updating it)
[16:53] <sithlord48> kleopatra: does windows show up in your grub list at all ?
[16:53] <kleopatra> i dont have any list at all by now
[16:53] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: actually, can you pastebin the output of 'sudo aptitude full-upgrade' ? (install aptitude if it's not there)
[16:53] <sithlord48> hold shift right before grub loads
[16:53] <omniuni> kleopatra: can you try running "sudo parted -l" and tell me the result?
[16:53] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: even if I loose kdm it isn't a big deal, I would still have cli and could install it after the fact, then dpkg-reconfigure x or something like that
[16:53] <sithlord48> should put you to a menu
[16:54] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: installing kdm should already be fine, but do you have a few mins so we can find out what's the problem?
[16:54] <kleopatra> http://pastebin.com/0eyZ8sr8
[16:54] <izinucs> kleopatra: the list just flys by to fast.. on boot after post, I think you hold the Shift key to get grub to show the menu.. if that's not it then Esc may do the same
[16:55] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: yep
[16:55] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  do you recall where you installed grub  ?
[16:55] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: wow, that was exciting:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/549320/  check that out.
[16:55] <kleopatra> i did not change the standard grub installation location
[16:56] <yofel> . . .
[16:56] <yofel> I've already seen that once..
[16:56] <omniuni> oh, shane4ubuntu... i am sorry! (i am sadly familiar with your problem)
[16:56] <sithlord48> kleopatra: try using "sudo os-prober"  then "update-grub" see if it makes a win entry
[16:57] <omniuni> kleopatra: did you by any chance happen to use the resize-windows option when installing?
[16:57] <sithlord48> kleopatra: or just paste bin that output
[16:57] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: I should tell you upfront, I started with Ubuntu install, converted to Kubuntu install.
[16:57] <kleopatra> ls: Zugriff auf /media/2262053D62051767/boot
[16:57] <kleopatra> Boot nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[16:57] <kleopatra> os-prober gives me some error
[16:57] <sithlord48> you need sudo w/ both commands
[16:58] <kleopatra> was run as sudo
[16:58] <omniuni> what was the error?
[16:58] <kleopatra> bott not possible, file not found
[16:58] <kleopatra> access to /media/blabla denied
[16:58] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: and what did you do for that?
[16:59] <omniuni> that almost sounds like grub is not installed.
[16:59] <kleopatra> how could i check this?
[16:59] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: I ended up using aptitude instead of apt-get
[16:59] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: to upgrade then?
[16:59] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: can you say 'n' until the list of stuff to remove get's pretty small?
[16:59] <sithlord48> you should have a look at the grub2 guide .. let me see if i can find you a link quick
[17:00] <izinucs> !grub2
[17:00] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: install one of the top-level packages, like libkdecore5, and aptitude should present a solution... sudo aptitude install libkdecore5
[17:00] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ok, I'm not terrible concerned, if I loose gui, I can work my way around the terminal and get gui back, so that isn't too bad.
[17:00] <kleopatra> do not leave me alone with the manuals again^^, its the third time i try to get things running and for me as noob i always reinstalled all my systems
[17:00] <sithlord48> well there you do ..
[17:00] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: ok, thanks!
[17:00] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: sure, but this shouldn't happen in the first place, and it would like to know why it happens
[17:01] <yofel> try omniunis suggestion though
[17:01] <omniuni> kleopatra: let's try to install grub from the command line, and see what happens
[17:01] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: is there any other info I can get for you before I start fixing
[17:01] <kleopatra> grub-install -v
[17:01] <kleopatra> grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3
[17:01] <sithlord48> ok kleopatra: you can check for install grub w/ .... grub-install -v
[17:01] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: sec
[17:01] <kleopatra> seems like grub2 is there
[17:02] <yofel> shane4ubuntu:  aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' | pastebinit
[17:02] <sithlord48> that it does
[17:02] <sithlord48> ok then next part..
[17:02] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: you might have to install pastebinit first
[17:04] <omniuni> kleopatra: try using these directions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[17:04] <lucidfox> I installed Kubuntu 10.10 on an Asus Eee PC 1000H, and I can't log in via KDM - it just pushes me back to KDM. startx works normally and gives me a KDE desktop
[17:04] <lucidfox> Any ideas?
[17:04] <omniuni> i know the title does not necessarily match your problem, but the symptoms are similar
[17:04] <kleopatra> omniuni: hmm i want to recover windows not ubuntu, ubuntu works fine
[17:05] <omniuni> kleopatra: yes, but if you install windows after ubuntu, it kills the bootloader. i am thinking your grub is installed, but either to a wrong location or something like that
[17:05] <yofel> lucidfox: works fine here, can you get us the /var/log/kdm.log (.1 maybe) from a failed login attempt?
[17:05] <sithlord48> lucidfox:  did you fill the partition
[17:05] <omniuni> unfortunately, Vista is by far the least reliable OS you can deal with
[17:06] <yofel> lucidfox: you can pastebin from commandline using pastebinit
[17:06] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  im working on an alt way to check if windows is reconized
[17:06] <izinucs> omniuni: if kleopatra had done that then windows would be booting not kubuntu
[17:07] <lucidfox> sithlord48> What partition?
[17:07] <sithlord48> home
[17:07] <sithlord48> or root
[17:07] <sithlord48> prolly home
[17:07] <sithlord48> df -h
[17:07] <omniuni> izinucs: right, but if grub was installed or failed to install in some way, the directions for restoring grub should lead it to re-probe the hard drive
[17:08] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  it looks like grub-probe does baisly the same as os-prober but i can't get it to work
[17:08] <kleopatra> the problem seems to be that there is no windows entry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:08] <izinucs> omniuni: absolutely..
[17:08] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  i was just gonna say look in your grub.cfg.
[17:08] <sithlord48> you can manually add one.
[17:09] <izinucs> omniuni: kleopatra have you tried .. sudo update-grub .. ?
[17:09] <sithlord48> if you do afterwards, do the command "sudo gurb-update"
[17:09] <izinucs> or sithlord48 's method
[17:10] <omniuni> izinucs: hooray for grub2! oh, so much better than the old grub 1....
[17:10] <sithlord48> try "sudo grub-update"  im just sure it you need to run os-prober first, or it probes by it self.
[17:10] <kleopatra> update-grub throws an error: it says it cant read the partition or something like that
[17:10] <izinucs> I think it's actually update-grub not grub-update .. but you'll find out soon enough
[17:10] <omniuni> kleopatra: install gparted if it is not installed, then run it, and right-click the windows partition, and check for errors/ repair it
[17:10] <sithlord48> sorry update-grub  is correct
[17:11] <lucidfox> yofel> Looks like ibus errors. inotify_add_watch failed, IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[17:11] <omniuni> then try "update-grub" again
[17:12] <yofel> lucidfox: that should be non-fatal though - anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (.old) ?
[17:12] <omniuni> by the way, does anyone here have problems with kwin crashing constantly?
[17:12] <sithlord48> naw kwin works nicely here..
[17:13] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ok, sorry got disconnected, last thing I got was sec. :)
[17:13] <yofel> nope, only plasma, but I'm running 4.6
[17:13] <sithlord48> some machines i find i have to reset the black list for effects for them to work again
[17:13] <omniuni> darn. it seems that for some strange reason kwin does not work with the ATI Radeon x1250
[17:13] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: can you run 'aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' | pastebinit' and get me the link? (if you didn't upgrade yet)
[17:13] <omniuni> *that is a "d a r n" not anything more profane
[17:14] <sithlord48> working w/ my newer radeion 4830HD
[17:14] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: http://pastebin.com/RNx9SAsD
[17:14] <shane4ubuntu> love pastebinit
[17:14] <sithlord48> and the 4200HD  series as well as the 3200HD seams gooda lso
[17:15] <lucidfox> yofel> Hmm. Xorg.0.log.old has a segmentation fault, but I see no obvious reason for it
[17:15] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  ne luck?
[17:15] <kleopatra> no luck ...
[17:16] <kleopatra> gparted finishes after 3 secs and os-proper does not work nor update-grub... reading error
[17:16] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  lets manully add an entry for windows..
[17:16] <omniuni> sithlord48: yeah, my desktop has a radeon hd and it works great (thank you AMD for putting some developers on the radeonhd driver!)
[17:16] <kleopatra> i found that   blkid says this: ls: Zugriff auf /var/lib/os-prober/mount/boot
[17:16] <sithlord48> omniuni: yea i have a friend w/ an older X series mobile chip its touchy at best
[17:16] <kleopatra> sry ..
[17:16] <omniuni> kleopatra: does gparted say that the windows partition is good?
[17:16] <kleopatra> it says nothing at all ^^,   /dev/sda1: UUID="2262053D62051767" TYPE="ntfs"
[17:17] <omniuni> sithlord48: it worked great on 10.04.... it's only since the upgrade to 10.10 that it crashes, even though compositing is beautiful and FAST for the first minute or so before it crashes X
[17:17] <izinucs> testdisk can help recover a bad partition/disk .. but it doesn't look like that is needed
[17:18] <omniuni> it doesn't crash when I run the updates from xorg-updates PPA, but then it gets slow
[17:18] <yofel> lucidfox: really odd, esp. since I have a 1000H that works fine... fresh installation ?
[17:18] <sithlord48> omniuni:  maybe its a bug
[17:18] <omniuni> kleopatra: what about the little vista boot partition?
[17:18] <lucidfox> yes, fresh installation
[17:19] <omniuni> sithlord48: I'm afraid it probably is, i just wish I knew WHAT. compiz works, and openGL works, it's just kwin
[17:19] <sithlord48> omniuni:  install them -dbg packs and make a report :(
[17:20] <kleopatra> i cant get anything to run...
[17:20] <omniuni> sithlord48: i opened a bug a week after 10.10 came out... no results yet :(
[17:21] <omniuni> kleopatra: what do you mean "anything"?
[17:21] <kleopatra> omniuni: trying to write my own menu entry now ...
[17:22] <omniuni> kleopatra: DID you check the little Vista boot partition?
[17:22] <omniuni> it should be around 150 megabytes
[17:23] <kleopatra> omniunui: where is this partition?
[17:23] <sithlord48> looking at your map i don't see it
[17:25] <omniuni> kleopatra: er, it is in theory the little partition that holds the windows boot loader, which is what grub looks for to detect windows... it chain-loads into ndldr, the windows boot loader, since windows will not boot from grub directly...
[17:26] <omniuni> kleopatra: it should look something like this:
[17:26] <omniuni> Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags
[17:26] <omniuni>  1      1049kB  106MB   105MB   primary   ntfs            boot
[17:26] <omniuni>  2      106MB   27.3GB  27.2GB  primary   ntfs
[17:26] <FloodBotK1> omniuni: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:26] <omniuni> oops, i did not realize that would make separate lines, aplogies
[17:27] <kleopatra> where can i search for these entries fdsik downs mention multiple windows entries
[17:28] <izinucs> omniuni: he used parted -l to get a list of partitions earlier http://pastebin.com/0eyZ8sr8...  he should run sudo fdisk -l to get a better idea
[17:28] <omniuni> kleopatra: I hesitate to say this, but that may be the problem
[17:28] <omniuni> izinucs: thanks, I missed that
[17:28] <omniuni> izinucs: that link did not work
[17:29] <yofel> omniuni: it does (the ... don't belong to the link)
[17:29] <izinucs> omniuni: worked for me from the post a few lines ago
[17:29] <omniuni> izinucs: never mind, it was just pidgin adding the dots to it, i did not realize it was not smart enough to figure it out
[17:29] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: yofel:  I see what you mean that is quite a problem.  I didn't get it fixed, switched back to gdm, removed all kde stuff, well, actually aptitude did for me.
[17:30] <izinucs> omniuni: pidgin? xchat or quassel for gui.. I'm ssh'd into my server running irssi :)
[17:30] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: exactly what was your problem? (the error you showed can have several things that lead to it)
[17:30] <omniuni> izinucs: in some ways, I am a n00b myself. :D
[17:30] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: sadly I can't really reproduce your setup, you have quite a few 3rd party apps installed that aren't in the archive, probably it's one of them that's linked against KDE 4.5.1
[17:30] <izinucs> aren't we all :)
[17:30] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: my understanding of it is that I enabled, kubuntu-ppa and was going to upgrade to 4.5.6?  or something like that, didn't go well at all.
[17:30] <omniuni> oh, ouch
[17:31] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: do you by any chance have your mirror set to something other than the default?
[17:31] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: right, I probably need to do a clean install of kubuntu then do that.
[17:31] <shane4ubuntu> mirror?
[17:31] <shane4ubuntu> oh, for the sources?  I only use the US mirrors, I tried these South American mirrors before and found them behind times.
[17:32] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: well, aptitude can give you more than one resolution for a problem, you could try to install kubuntu-desktop again and see what the resolution with the smallest amount of packages to be removed is
[17:32] <kleopatra> Also hier mal eine grobe Zusammenfassung von allem was ich glaube das relevant ist in erster linie  :  http://pastebin.com/gpRff34y
[17:32] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: I did that, it was ugly, all ugly, and after the second no it just kept repeating itself.
[17:33] <yofel> :S
[17:33] <kleopatra> sry in english. some conclusion   on http://pastebin.com/gpRff34y
[17:33] <omniuni> hpfs/ntfs!? oh dear something is quite wrong.
[17:33] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  you doing it wrong i think you need to use chainload
[17:33] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: probably my nvidia card with drivers is the prob
[17:33] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: most definitely not (I'm using nvidia too)
[17:33] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: nvidia drivers? why do you think that?
[17:34] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: shot in the dark?  I'm not sure, oh, I don't have OO.o default installed either, I have vanilla
[17:34] <shane4ubuntu> perhaps that?
[17:34] <kleopatra> im not doing anything ^^
[17:34] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: do you have the openoffice.org-kde (or comparable) installed?
[17:34] <lucidfox> yofel> Oh right... *facepalm* What worked was "sudo startx", and it logged me into KDE as root :(
[17:35] <lucidfox> simply typing startx brings up a black screen
[17:35] <shane4ubuntu> really I don't have that much else that would really conflict
[17:35] <lucidfox> and the terminal is spammed with "No protocol specified"
[17:35] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: No OO.o straight from their web site, all the *Buntu OO.o have a bug that affects me, been that way for over a year now
[17:36] <yofel> shane4ubuntu, omniuni: here's what I got trying to reproduce the system setup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549331/ java isn't the problem though
[17:36] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: can you run "sudo apt-cache search kde | grep integration"
[17:36] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: I tried reporting it and all I got was a bunch of smart remarks against *Buntu, and it is on launchpad for Ubuntu, but doesn't affect enough people to matter.
[17:36] <sithlord48> kleopatra:  "in windows you prolly would use: chanloader (hdX,Y),+1" (x,y are partitions try 1,1 or 1,0
[17:37] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: what was the bug?
[17:37] <shane4ubuntu> I can't open a large spreadsheet that I use regularly
[17:38] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: ..... wha.... what? that is just strange. i don't suppose you tried it minus the kde integration?
[17:38] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: ooo people say it is because the interfaces are looking for a network connection and Ubuntu has to fix their network interfaces, or freedesktop.org or something, they were real hhmmm, not friendly.
[17:39] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: got the bug numbers?
[17:40] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549332/  here is the pastebin
[17:40] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: let me dig it up
[17:40] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: i'm sorry they were not so friendly, let me take a look at that pastebin
[17:40] <omniuni> ah, yep
[17:40] <omniuni> try removing "openoffice.org-kde"
[17:41] <omniuni> that package has so many problems it should just be removed
[17:41] <omniuni> install openoffice.org-gnome instead
[17:41] <shane4ubuntu> Package openoffice.org-kde is not installed, so not removed
[17:41] <omniuni> (yes, i use the gnome integration while running kde)
[17:41] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: oh, i'm sorry
[17:41] <shane4ubuntu> but, that may have been removed in the aptitude war
[17:42] <yofel> sithlord48: here's how my windows entry looks like if you need a reference: http://pastebin.com/7ksZEtby
[17:42] <yofel> (in grub.cfg)
[17:43] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: here is the bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/584220
[17:43] <beppe> hi, I need to resize an ext-something partition, what program should I use?
[17:44] <beppe> I only have that one ext partition
[17:44] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: OO.o only opens slowly for that one document for me, not all documents
[17:45] <yofel> well, I'll vouch for the competence of chris, but I guess nobody had time to look at this yet :/
[17:45] <izinucs> beppe: is it being used for anything .. that is.. is it mounted as part of your system.. if not then use kpartitionmanager or gparted
[17:46] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: no, on the bug report everyone was fine, no problems, the problems were when I wondered out of Ubuntu realm and tried to report the problem else where someone recommened. it was a waste.
[17:46] <beppe> izinucs: yeah its my / partition
[17:47] <izinucs> beppe: then you have to use a live cd to do it.. your milage may vary .. are you trying to create a separate /home partition?
[17:47] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: yeah, upstreams don't like to be bugged about distribution modifications of their software, same for most
[17:48] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: have you tried libreoffice?
[17:48] <shane4ubuntu> libreoffice?  omniuni I don't remember
[17:49] <izinucs> libeoffice is in RC1 now.. reports say it's working pretty good but there are features that are not active yet.
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> I may have, I guess it was only 6 months, I don't mind running vanilla OOo really, so to me it isn't a big deal
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> I need stability more than anything as I use OOo on a very regular basis.
[17:50] <omniuni> right! back to your current predicament. what happens if you try to "aptitude install libplasma3"?
[17:51] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[17:51] <omniuni> hm. where are you at right now?
[17:51] <shane4ubuntu> in gnome
[17:51] <omniuni> lol, ah
[17:51] <shane4ubuntu> apt-get reports libplasma3 already installed
[17:51] <omniuni> um, what ppa's do you have enabled?
[17:52] <beppe> izinucs: well I need to put some 20gb of data somewhere (on an 80gb disk) to update the system, its kubuntu 9.4. separate /home would be an option
[17:52] <shane4ubuntu> ha ha, I have played with pinning omniuni so I have a few ppa's enabled, but most are low numbered.
[17:52] <shane4ubuntu> I know there is a command to show all that, but I forget what it is.
[17:53] <omniuni> uh, pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:53] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: here is my preferences:  http://pastebin.com/QZQGrr8U
[17:54] <beppe> izinucs: so if I use the kubuntu live cd I should be able to do everything during installation right? install 10.10 in parallel with 9.4 then move the data to 10.10 and remove 9.4...
[17:54] <shane4ubuntu> here is my sources.list:  http://pastebin.com/6C9P9wP2  omniuni
[17:54] <izinucs> beppe: well if you're looking to make space for the data then it's prime time to create a separate /home and use it for the data.. ultimately the / partition only needs to be between 8-15 gigs depending on what you install.
[17:54] <omniuni> lol, x-swat
[17:55] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: that was I think some ppa for a xorg, or graphics stuff.
[17:55] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: oh, i know. it is extremely unstable for the most part
[17:56] <yofel> x-updates has stable graphics driver updates, usually good to have enabled
[17:56] <yofel> omniuni: please don't confuse edgers with updates ;)
[17:56] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: the prob is not all the ppa are listed there, didn't they move them to /etc/apt/source.list.d/
[17:56] <izinucs> I haven't had any issues with x-swat drivers at all.
[17:56] <beppe> izinucs: ok thanks
[17:56] <omniuni> yofel: maybe i should try it again.... neither was particularly stable last time i tried
[17:56] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: if you add them with software-properties it'll land in sources.list.d/*
[17:56] <omniuni> yofel: then again, my current sock x is not very stable either
[17:57] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: some I probably added that way, although I use add-apt-repository mostly, and I noticed that too puts them in there
[17:58] <omniuni> the software-properties dialogue is essentially a front-end to add-apt-repo
[17:59] <shane4ubuntu> I love the add-apt-repo, that is usually what I use, just quick and easy
[17:59] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: just tell us what files you have in sources.list.d, they're properly named
[17:59] <shane4ubuntu> http://pastebin.com/Aa0E4Y5w
[17:59] <shane4ubuntu> I was just doing that, figured it was probably relevant
[18:00] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: are some of those your own packages?
[18:00] <shane4ubuntu> some of those I need to remove,
[18:00] <shane4ubuntu> yep
[18:00] <shane4ubuntu> just one
[18:00] <shane4ubuntu> the other is old, first failed attempt
[18:00] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: have you checked the dependencies?
[18:00] <shane4ubuntu> is it fine just to delete those out of there?
[18:01] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: it is a simple python package, not really any deps
[18:01] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: i think so, but you should probably just comment them to be safe
[18:01] <shane4ubuntu> I'm not a programmer, or the author, but the author only dabbles with Linux
[18:02] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: does it use wxpython?
[18:02] <shane4ubuntu> yes
[18:03] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: i don't suppose that could be part of the problem?
[18:03] <shane4ubuntu> I would highly doubt it, enable the repo and give it a try. :)
[18:04] <shane4ubuntu> but I'm not a programmer, just a computer user, so I really don't know.
[18:04] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: i feel for you, unfortunately we seem to have a problem that goes down several layers
[18:05] <shane4ubuntu> well, re-installing the system is a snap, since I have /home on a separate partition, it is no big deal at all
[18:06] <shane4ubuntu> however I'm not doing it today, to much else to do, perhaps Monday.
[18:07] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: yep, i started making separate /home a few years ago.... best decision EVER.
[18:07] <shane4ubuntu> I thought about installing Kubuntu from scratch to get the full feel, I have used Ubuntu for years, and installed kde for the xteenth time and this time really started to like it, perhaps I actually have a computer that can run kde. :)
[18:08] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: oh yes, best way to go, I recommend it for everyone I install for, if they are doing a full install.
[18:08] <omniuni> kde has also gotten much more efficient since the early 4.x days
[18:08] <yofel> better yes, but efficient...
[18:08] <shane4ubuntu> yes, it runs much more smoothly, but even in the kde3 days, I don't think my computer had the guts to run it.
[18:08] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: yep. first thing I taught my room mate "you may not know about this "command line" thing, or "kde vs. gnome" but you will know how to partition your hard drive
[18:09] <shane4ubuntu> lol, everything else is secondary
[18:09] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: yofel are you guys kubuntu devs or just indepth users?
[18:10] <yofel> indepth user, though I do some kubuntu packaging from time to time (hang out in #kubuntu-devel, very informative)
[18:10] <omniuni> i'm just a user, but I have gotten pretty good at troubleshooting. I read a reddit post about a not-so-nice linux community, and decided to come here and show that there are some of us who try not to be rude.
[18:11] <omniuni> in my experience, this channel is usually pretty nice though, so that speaks well for the *buntu community
[18:11] <shane4ubuntu> ahh ok, I'm a tech hobbyist. :)  Actually a missionary that works in Peru, but love technology and use it, also love the *buntu community.
[18:12] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: that's pretty cool. have you worked with the olpc?
[18:12] <shane4ubuntu> well, the whole ubuntu community code is a good thing, I have been turned off by many other distros just by very rude sarcastic help.
[18:12] <shane4ubuntu> olpc?  omniuni
[18:12] <shane4ubuntu> not familiar with it.
[18:13] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: one-laptop-per-child
[18:13] <omniuni> http://laptop.org/en/
[18:13] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: no, actually I heard something about it, but wasn't envolved with it, but I push Linux here a lot
[18:13] <sithlord48> i wanted to get one of those but i sadly don't have the cash for one.. , figured it would  be nice to work on sugar or someother part of the system
[18:14] <shane4ubuntu> man I live in an area that kids wouldn't know what to do with a laptop, and don't have power to charge them.
[18:14] <omniuni> sithlord48: yep, same. the Geode is really cool. when Intel came out with the Atom, I wondered why AMD didn't just start making Geode laptops
[18:15] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: that's the idea behind the OLPC... hand crank!
[18:15] <shane4ubuntu> that is cool, I didn't know that.
[18:15] <omniuni> shane4ubuntu: then, they use mesh networking to piggyback internet into the middle of nowhere
[18:15] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu:  they have solar pannels and hand crank . all kinds of wireless stuff.. for networking and power
[18:15] <fredy> Hello
[18:15] <shane4ubuntu> looking at some of the pics they seem like tough laptops, not the kind I'm used to.
[18:15] <sithlord48> i would love to have one if not for camping
[18:15] <fredy> Hello alll
[18:15] <fredy> Happy new to you all
[18:16] <omniuni> hello, happy new year to you too!
[18:16] <shane4ubuntu> ok guys, I gotta get busy, thanks for the help,
[18:16] <shane4ubuntu> happy New Year fredy
[18:16] <omniuni> good luck, shane4ubuntu, and hny
[18:16] <fredy> Thank's
[18:16] <sithlord48> later shane4ubuntu
[18:17] <sithlord48> and happy new year fredy
[18:17] <fredy> Thank's man
[18:17] <fredy> What's up with u guys
[18:18] <sithlord48> not much here relaxing for now
[18:20] <fredy> Really
[18:20] <fredy> That's good for you
[18:20] <sithlord48> that it is.
[18:21] <Wat_Nu> Hi there!
[18:21] <fredy> So how was ur christmas celebration!
[18:21] <fredy> Hi
[18:22] <sithlord48> it was good and yours
[18:22] <Wat_Nu> Ehemmm.... Is this an english chat?
[18:22] <sithlord48> Wat_Nu: yes, basicly what lang are you looking for ?
[18:22] <fredy> Not all that good for me, because i was working by then
[18:23] <sithlord48> fredy: lame.
[18:23] <fredy> What!
[18:23] <Wat_Nu> English would be okay for me. I actually expexted a german chat.
[18:24] <sithlord48> think you can join #kubuntu-de for german
[18:24] <Wat_Nu> I am a Kubuntu user since yesterday....
[18:25] <fredy> Really
[18:25] <Wat_Nu> yep
[18:25] <sithlord48> in that case welcome :) , how are you finding it so far ?
[18:25] <Wat_Nu> Okay.
[18:26] <fredy> I've been using kubumtu operating system for a year now, but i never knew there was such a chat on my laptop.
[18:26] <fredy> I discorvered it a month now
[18:27] <Wat_Nu> I just installed konversation.
[18:27] <fredy> Then u are warmly welcome to the family of kubuntu
[18:27] <sithlord48> idk i've been a kde user for a long time, and been an on and off linux user since ~94, but i have been using kubuntu only for about maybe 2-3 years now
[18:28] <sithlord48> yes, we welcome out new family member Wat_Nu
[18:28] <Wat_Nu> Thanks
[18:28] <fredy> How do u feel the environment!
[18:28] <fredy> Wat_Nu: u are welcome once again..
[18:29] <Wat_Nu> fredy: How do u feel the environment!  What exactly do you mean by that?
[18:30] <fredy> I mean mean using this chat room.
[18:30] <Wat_Nu> I have no problems! ;)
[18:30] <sithlord48> fredy btw kubuntu comes w/  quassel (irc client) by default.
[18:31] <Wat_Nu> I know but I was not sure how to configure it.
[18:32] <fredy> I don't really understand what u are explaining here.
[18:32] <fredy> Can u brief me!
[18:32] <Wat_Nu> I have been using Konversation for some time and am familiar with it.
[18:35] <fredy> I'm using Ubuntu 10.10 inconjuction with Kubuntu and xubuntu. Mine was already configured.
[18:36] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: happy new year :)
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> :)
[18:37] <sithlord48> quassel is a irc client like conversation, you don't have to configure anything since this is its default channel and server to join
[18:37] <Wat_Nu> After I installed konversation it was also configured. That is why I am here! ;)  quassel was not confugured, funnly enough...
[18:37] <sithlord48> sorry you need to configure you chat name . for sure
[18:37] <Wat_Nu> configured
[18:38] <sithlord48> thats odd i  was pretty sure that quassel comes set up for this channel..
[18:38] <Wat_Nu> That is the only thing that I configured, there was another nick.
[18:38] <shane4ubuntu> omniuni: thanks for the heads up on LibreOffice, I didn't know about that.
[18:39] <Wat_Nu> For konversation, that is.
[18:39] <sithlord48> thats just odd.. maybe im mistaken
[18:39] <Wat_Nu> Or me!
[18:40] <sithlord48> lol
[18:41] <Wat_Nu> I just looked. Iwas mistaken! Sorry! But Iwanted to join another chat room. I did not know how to go about it.
[18:42] <Wat_Nu> A german chat room that I usually visit....
[18:43] <fredy> HI
[18:43] <fredy> How are u doing!
[18:44] <yofel> Wat_Nu: type: /join #chatroom    (replacing chatroom with the name of the room you want to join)
[18:45] <Wat_Nu> Now I am here, that is also nice. I was just curious. That is why. The german chat room I already visited and left it again.
[18:46] <Wat_Nu> No problem on my side... ;)
[18:50] <Wat_Nu> I guess there are folks here from all over the world?
[18:50] <sithlord48> basicly
[18:50] <fredy> Yes
[18:51] <fredy> That's really true
[18:51] <Wat_Nu> That is nice!
[18:51] <fredy> I figure out a whole lot of people here....
[18:52] <fredy> And feeling good with it
[18:59] <karuru> ich HASS kubuntuuu!!11
[19:00] <DarthFrog> karuru: Congratulations!  You are indeed a lucky man.
[19:01] <Guest58991> is there  a prob with the 10.10 network - tried kubuntu and ubuntu  and a distro based on it and can't connect eth0 or wlan0
[19:04] <Guest92389> dhclient wlan0 or eth0
[19:04] <Snowhog> karuru: Saying you hate kubuntu isn't helpful. This is a Kubuntu Support IRC Channel. If you have problems, please allow us the opportunity to assist.
[19:09] <Wat_Nu> Well, good bye everyone! I might pop in again sometime....
[19:09] <fredy> ok
[19:10] <fredy> Have a nice day Wa_Nu
[19:13] <Guest58991> Guest92389: both
[19:13] <psykatog> dumb question - what konsole command do I use to run a shell script
[19:13] <Guest58991> Guest92389: works on all other distros
[19:13] <psykatog> `(trying to install slax onto a usb - already navigated to the folder containing the script
[19:14] <Guest58991> Guest92389: i think it network-manager  but it still does not go after i remove it and add /etc/network/interfaces
[20:20] <pixie__> Dustin i know you are in here......
[21:18] <fabio> feliz ano novo
[21:21] <Tm_T> !br
[21:58] <rtdos> how do i reset file association settings? everytime i click on a link inside the quick access browser (html file for example) i keep getting a prompt to open with what application?
[21:58] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: apparently it was kdm that was the prob?  it is fixed now, I tinkered here and there, well, I haven't got kde installed, but that should be easy now.
[21:59] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: in either dolphin or settings, dolphin is probably easiest
[22:00] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: click on properties, then look for the wrench and set what app you want to open that file type
[22:01] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: I take that back, not fixed.
[22:06] <rtdos> it keeps asking me, shane4ubuntu
[22:08] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: even after that is set?
[22:08] <rtdos> yes. it's already set to chromium.
[22:08] <rtdos> it only prompts me when i use the quick browser.
[22:09] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: hmm, not sure, sorry, I'm not in kde right now, got locked out, working in gnome.
[22:19] <James147> rtdos: try default application in system settings, if not you can try reset the file association by deleting ~/.kde/share/config/filetyperc  (at least I think thats the file)
[22:22] <rtdos> will do james, thanks.
[22:34] <rtdos> how do i force fschk on the next reboot?
[22:58] <JeroenDeDauw> I'd like to be able to access my laptop account via ssh. Got everything working, but would like to restrict ssh access to public key auth. I know how to do this, but not how to still be able to login locally. How can I do this?
[23:01] <yofel> there was a setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config for that, can't remember which one though..
[23:01] <yofel> JeroenDeDauw: try step 2 on http://thinkhole.org/wp/2006/10/30/five-steps-to-a-more-secure-ssh/
[23:10] <JeroenDeDauw> yofel: Thanks! That worked :)
[23:13] <rtdos> how do i force fsck on the next reboot?
[23:14] <Sentynel> Just installed the KDE 4.6RC1 packages, and everything seems to be working fine, except for kpackagekit, which segfaults on startup (backtrace: http://pastebin.com/mpB508ph ). Is this a known issue?
[23:17] <yofel> Sentynel: it is, use muon instead until we get the new kpk version
[23:18] <fredy> Helloo friends
[23:18] <yofel> rtdos: sudo touch /forcefsck
[23:18] <Sentynel> yofel: I'm okay just with apt-get, was just checking this was a known issue
[23:25] <rtdos> thanks yofel
[23:29] <JeroenDeDauw> Something with my network config got messed up I think - I cannot connect to the interwebs anymore (with another device obviously). How to reset all network settings?


[18:20] <CcxWrk> bzr shell was too fiddly last time I tried to use it. Mercurial actually has fully functional background program for this.
[18:21] <CcxWrk> Or rather, bzr shell really really isn't designed for non-interactive/scripting use.
[18:27] <CcxWrk> https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/CommandServer
[18:32] <CcxWrk> FWIW on POSIX platforms you can just send CWD and stdio file descriptors over unix socket, so it can work pretty seamlessly. I wish there was a generic Python module for that, as the start up time for a lot of software is really bad.
[18:34] <LeoNerd> Yah; it's a common thought. It's basically just "do FastCGI"
[18:34] <LeoNerd> The "Fast" part of FastCGI is really just a UNIX process server system, it has verylittle to do with CGI or webserving or anything else
[18:35] <LeoNerd> Connect to a socket, send initial environment, stream stdin in, stream stdout / stderr back out, accept exit code at the end
[18:37] <CcxWrk> It's a hack ultimately. Workaround for slow startup time. But there is only so much you can do with Python to speed it up.
[18:47] <LeoNerd> It's a nice idea regardless of the language though. It means programs can open database connections, precache things,.. whatever they need..
[19:08] <CcxWrk> Idea is nice, how many edge cases you will run into depends on how you use it. But with shoveling all of env/cwd/stdio into it the rest is pretty much inherent issues of preloading libraries.
[19:20] <CcxWrk> And signals, which also need special handling. Oh well, operating systems are messy. :-]
[19:41] <jelmer> CcxWck: are you sure you're talking about 'bzr shell' and not 'bzr service'?
[19:41] <jelmer> The latter is a background service
[19:42] <jelmer> The former is just a way of not paying for cache load/import time repeatedly


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[15:10] <RikMills> vorlon: can these binaries be clear up? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libplacebo
[15:10] <RikMills> cleared
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[23:28] <Beldar> dudemelo, depends on who you ask, not really a ubuntu support question as is.
[23:29] <Beldar> olivier__, Identify the hardware to the channel, if internal lspci if external lsusb in the terminal.
[23:31] <olivier__> l<Beldar> internal i got a Dell latitude D510
[23:31] <Beldar> olivier__,  Identify the hardware to the channel, if internal lspci
[23:31] <Beldar> in the terminal
[23:32] <Bray90820_> Owen: Thank you that worked
[23:32] <Beldar> olivier__, The computer is not enough the exacvt hardware foir wifi is needed
[23:32] <Beldar> exact*
[23:32] <TJ-> astropirate: What you're seeing is a Unity webapp wanting to install
[23:32] <buckeatstoast> Hey Guys! I need some help
[23:33] <Beldar> buckeatstoast, don't we all, state it please
[23:33] <olivier__> Beldar Network Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)
[23:33] <TJ-> astropirate: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/tutorial/
[23:33] <Beldar> !broadcom | olivier__
[23:33] <buckeatstoast> Well Im trying to install vsftpd and its not working
[23:33] <astropirate> TJ-, what were they thinking making it pop up on every site I visit?
[23:33] <astropirate> and how do I disable it
[23:34] <TJ-> astropirate: It only should show for sites that have webapps
[23:34] <astropirate> hmm that explains it
[23:34] <astropirate> i went to reddit, facebook, youtube and it showed up on all of them
[23:34] <TJ-> Yes, there've all got webapps
[23:35] <buckeatstoast> Ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/6973763/ is what it tells me when I try sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[23:35] <olivier__> Beldar yes but most of the command don't work
[23:36] <Beldar> olivier__, Broadcom is out of my area of knowledge, is this ubuntu?
[23:37] <olivier__> Beldar Xubuntu
[23:37] <TJ-> astropirate: If you want to stop it you can uninstall the webapp service. Check what's installed with "dpkg-query -l unity-webapps-*"
[23:37] <Beldar> olivier__, Most of the commands not working means nothing, you have to give details and errors in a pastebin is the best, all to the channel not me.
[23:37] <astropirate> TJ-, thank you good sir/ma'am
[23:38] <cypher-neo> olivier__, Open your Terminal and type: "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter"
[23:38] <Beldar> olivier__, Make sure you read the wiki carefully it seems quite straight forward, address what is confusing if so.
[23:39] <cypher-neo> olivier__, That is the correct command for your Broadcom modem
[23:39] <Bray90820_> Owen: Now that i play around with it a little bit i can see that it helped but there is still WAY to much white
[23:40] <glitsj16> Bray90820_: do you already have an ICC profile for your monitor?
 i wish
[23:40] <Bray90820_> Its like there is a white overlay on the screen
[23:40] <Bray90820_> And yes i do have a profile
[23:41] <glitsj16> Bray90820_: than you can load the .icc file at startup using xcalib
[23:42] <Bray90820_> glitsj16: what i am saying is that there is to much white in that profile and i can't seem to fix it
[23:42] <buckeatstoast> Can anyone help me with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6973763/
[23:45] <glitsj16> Bray90820_: without colorimeter it's always going to be an approximation .. have you tried agryll or any other software tool yet?
[23:45] <glitsj16> s/egryll/argyll
[23:45] <Bray90820_> I have not
[23:46] <Beldar> buckeatstoast, What is with the 113 not upgraded are these broken, or did you do a partial update?
[23:47] <wxl> hey folks. i seem to get to the point where i'm about to get a display manager (i see the mouse pointer) and the screen blanks. repeats over and over. get issues about acpid in syslog. couldn't find useful settings in bios. acpi=off on boot didn't help. i'm thinking i might have a video driver issue. i've got a VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter. i have xserver-xorg-video-sis inst
[23:48] <Beldar> buckeatstoast, Run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and pastebin all of it before running the install with y=yes or n=no
[23:48] <Bray90820_> glitsj16: what i am trying to tell you is that xrandr is not at all what i need
[23:48] <Bray90820_> I need to fix the contrast
[23:50] <Jordan_U> wxl: If there is any way to replace that SiS card with anything else, do so.
[23:51] <high_fiver> can anyone recommend a better power management package to laptop-mode-tools
[23:52] <wxl> Jordan_U: i can't entirely say that's useful. would you care to elaborate on your experience and possible solutions assuming it must stay?
[23:53] <glitsj16> Bray90820_: i never mentioned xrandr, xcalib is a program to load ICC profiles, dispcalGUI http://dispcalgui.hoech.net/ is a very nice tool but it assumes you have access to a colorimeter iirc, and there's gnome-color-manager to produce an ICC profile
[23:53] <z1haze> can someone please help me out? i dont know the proper term for what im trying to do, but i have virtual host files, and im trying to set one of them to work with my servers ip currently, until im ready to switch my domain over
[23:54] <Bray90820_> glitsj16: sotty my mistake
[23:54] <cypher-neo> olivier,
[23:55] <high_fiver> or just the best (in ur exp) power management tool for laptops
[23:55] <z1haze> for a virtual host if i want to use the ip of my server, what do i ender for the Sername and alias?
[23:56] <Beldar> high_fiver, Best is an opinion, there is not much really except for on board, and whats in the kernel, battery controls are mostly reverse engineered due to no vendor support in linux.
[23:56] <Beldar> high_fiver, the highest use in general I think is the backlight as well.
[23:57] <Beldar> depends on what you're doing really for the highset use
[23:57] <Beldar> highest*
[23:57] <high_fiver> Beldar, ok, cool that does help, i guess its a case of conserving ie lightum
[23:58] <Bray90820_> glitsj16: how would i make the profile active
[23:58] <Beldar> high_fiver, It is a tough area, when I have needed to use a battery I just buy one that has the highest use support.
[23:59] <z1haze> mmm
[23:59] <Jordan_U> wxl: My experience is that SiS drivers are orders of magnitude worse than any other drivers I've encountered, I was able to get full resolution on one once because I was lucky enough that my native resolution was avaialble via VESA. No acceleration (2D or 3D). I wouldn't wich my experience on anyone else.


[03:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: See the weather update?
[05:59] <Unit193> xenial still. :3
[07:49] <pjotr> Thanks for a job well done: Xubuntu 16.04 is great! Xenial Xerus at its best. :-)
[07:50] <pjotr> Incredible what you guys have been able to achieve with such a small dev crew. Hats off!
[15:05] <slickymaster> !team | Yakkety Yak new docs branch created and the development focus changed to the new branch
[15:13] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193, krytarik, dkessel, just as a heads up I've also set the vivid series as obsolete as vivid is EOL since February
[15:53] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-docs had 19 updates, showing the latest 3
[16:15] <flocculant> slickymaster: acketty ack
[16:15] <slickymaster> what, no 'yyy's ?!
[16:15] <slickymaster> ;)
[16:15] <flocculant> not when just acking :p
[16:16] <slickymaster> heh
[16:16]  * flocculant must have been tired after the hard work of doing nothing this morning - dropped off to sleep at ~1
[16:23] <flocculant> knome: something's up at docs.x.org > http://i.imgur.com/fvIqrq4.png
[16:32] <pleia2> flocculant: fixed
[16:32] <flocculant> pleia2: awesome :)
[16:32] <flocculant> thanks :)
[16:33] <pleia2> just a mixup with the symlinks (docroot libs-common was pointing at itself)
[16:34] <flocculant> I can understand - I do that :)
[17:18] <knome> slickymaster, there was a y-series branch already
[17:18] <knome> slickymaster, now you need to merge that to your branch :P
[17:18] <slickymaster> hi knome
[17:18] <flocculant> evening knome
[17:18] <knome> ..as you noticed i see
[17:18] <knome> hello slickymaster flocculant
[17:18] <slickymaster> yes, but I just saw the y-series after
[17:19]  * knome tries to remember slickymaster works with the "do first, think then" philosophy
[17:19] <knome> ;)=
[17:21] <slickymaster> that wasn't quite the issue here knome
[17:21] <slickymaster> tbh I wasn't aware of the existence of the y-series branch
[17:23] <knome> :)
[18:44] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: don't forget to dig into http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntuqa-y-cycle
[18:52] <akxwi-dave> will do bud
[19:15] <pleia2> knome: updated /producs with the new usb drive, but I can't figure out how to do the front page
[19:15] <pleia2> (fortunately they redirect on their end, but it still would be nice to update it)
[19:18] <knome> want a walkthrough or just me to do it?
[19:19] <knome> well basically, apperance -> widgets -> in this case the widget is under "front page 1"
[19:19] <knome> but i updated
[19:20] <pleia2> knome: now I know! thank you :)
[19:20] <knome> np