[01:36] <wilee-nilee> I can't really say for sure, but it is that type that I see people working on in the #ubuntu channel. generally you can look with the hardware info for problems or certification. If there is a site that gives a full list that would be great, but some times stuff that works is not listed.
[01:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Only certificated hardware is listed somewhere in the wiki
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> not everything is officially certified is all
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport has supported hardware btw
[01:37] <kraut2001> i hear everyone say that "most" hardware is compatible with linux now, but Ubuntu has always been super unstable every time I have installed it (on two different laptops, through 4 different versions) so I have never been able to use it for more than a couple of days, even though I love it for those couple of days. is this typical or have I just had weird hardware? (both toshiba laptops). I don't even know where to start with th
[01:40] <kraut2001> the hardware support site appears to only have active programs for SYSTEMS not for individual hardware
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> Tough one to answer in that we could assume that you had every tool possible in knowledge, help and or google foo, and that these were problematic hardware setups. Or that you just are not familiar enough, and or could not find the answers to get stuff working. Personally I have not ever had a problem on a multilple amount od computers.
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> of*
[01:41] <wilee-nilee> the simplest problem say a graphic driver will give some a bricked computer, and that is it for them.
[01:42] <kraut2001> well
[01:42] <kraut2001> i'm reasonably savvy
[01:42] <kraut2001> i have done a dual boot
[01:46] <kraut2001> partitioning a separate boot sector for ubuntu
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> Not saying you aren't it is the question that is impossible to answer without a list of the hardware on those 4 computers.
[01:46] <kraut2001> ok, that makes sense, but I guess thats why I ask whether it is "typical", let me be more specific-- is it "typical" to have a computer brick on a fresh install after two days, when all the hardware appears to work fine and all you have done is install a couple of programs through the software center?
[01:46] <kraut2001> i guess I'm trying to get a sense about whether this will be a constant struggle to get hardware to work, or whether my current predicament is an aberration of the usual low-hassle experience
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> I can't really answer that myself, sounds like a situation I have never encountered is all to me, but a number of the computers I have and do use are a few years old, so drivers are all available with standard installs.
[01:48] <kraut2001> ya, my laptop is almost three years old
[01:49] <wilee-nilee> I have no nvidia for example
[01:49] <kraut2001> i know there is a known issue that has not been completely resolved with the REALTEK wifi chipset in it
[01:49] <wilee-nilee> I'm using a toshiba a205 right now a laptop.
[01:49] <kraut2001> but also it just randomly freaked out on the last install and now its unbootable on the ubuntu size
[01:49] <kraut2001> side*
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> but the other OS works?
[01:50] <kraut2001> i'm on an a505
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> is the ubuntu a wubi install?
[01:50] <kraut2001> no
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> you using grub to boot into the other OS if there is one?
[01:51] <kraut2001> nope
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> is there another OS
[01:51] <kraut2001> i manually partitioned separate boot sector for ubuntu
[01:51] <kraut2001> and i used a utulity to modify windows boot sector
[01:51] <kraut2001> so that i boot to grub from the windows booter
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> so you have a windows setup cool were you using grub or easybcd
[01:51] <kraut2001> then boot to ubuntu
[01:52] <kraut2001> easybcd yes
[01:52] <kraut2001> and its really odd because the install always works great, and I work really productive and responsive for a few days
[01:52] <kraut2001> and then always without fail something happens out of the blue
[01:52] <kraut2001> like the wifi starts cutting out
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> ahh I would look there on any errors, grub2 is an excellent bootloader if you get a kernel update I believe you have top reload the easybcd to get the ubuntu boot not sure though, personally I just use grub.
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> to*
[01:53] <kraut2001> or this last time it won't boot normally and gives me some error about unrecognized devices but I have never added devices
[01:53] <kraut2001> i was using grub before
[01:54] <kraut2001> but then i realized if it was on my boot sector i couldn't completely wipe ubuntu
[01:54] <kraut2001> without losting my boot sector
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> kraut2001, I would just instal grub to the mbr with a chroot, purge the original grub and reinstall as well, this is all rather easy.
[01:55] <wilee-nilee> purge grub first from the ubuntu and then reload it then stick grub in the mbr and see if it works fine. the os-prober in grub2 will find windows and boot it.
[01:56] <kraut2001> well anyway, I don't know that that would solve the problem
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> you could download supergrub and see if you can boot into ubuntu first
[01:57] <kraut2001> because last time I reinstalled with the same setup i have now, it worked fine
[01:57] <kraut2001> for a few days
[01:57] <kraut2001> well i can boot ubuntu in safe mode
[01:57] <kraut2001> i just don't know what the heck to do with it
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> IT may be that using easybcd and getting a kernel update messed with the easybcd
[01:57] <kraut2001> hmm
[01:58] <kraut2001> i don't see how
[01:58] <kraut2001> because
[01:58] <kraut2001> it ran fine after reboots
[01:58] <kraut2001> after updats
[01:58] <kraut2001> i only did one update, and it booted fine after that
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> O wopuld not bother with easybcd it is a waste of time to be honest grub works fine, and the MS bootloader can be loaded to the mbr with one command as well from a recovery or install disc
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> I*
[01:58] <kraut2001> well I have already done that, actually
[01:59] <kraut2001> it may be "easy" but it is also quite a waste of time, no disrespect for grub but that was how my first installation was set up and it crashed too
[01:59] <kraut2001> anyway, i guess I'm getting a little off topic here, because really I just want to build a new computer
[02:00] <kraut2001> and i want to be sure that I won't have any major hardware issues
[02:04] <kraut2001> ok, i found the certified component catalog, i will probably pick stuff from there, if they aren't all old
[07:20] <EcoTort> Hi, I am trying to install ubuntu using the windows installer, getting an error message after 6 tries always the same message:
[07:21] <EcoTort> the message is IMAGE NOT FOUND
[20:08] <ubuntujube> i am havin trouble wrappin my head around installing a package, using ubuntu 12.04 lts and the package is java 7, i down loaded the tar and used 7zip, but the instructions that come with arent working?
[21:43] <Wenchie> Hello! I want to stop the password reqirement when my computer wakes up.  How do I do this?
[21:50] <Unit193> I have it in the power manager settings under Xfce, shouldn't be too different in Unity.
[21:59] <Wenchie> I found where to set the timers for suspend and dim and such, but I can't find where to deactivate the password
[22:00] <geirha> system settings -> brightness and lock
[22:01] <geirha> -> [ ] Require my password when waking from suspend
[22:03] <Wenchie> I don't have a brightness and lock option, but I found something that may help in the screensaver section.  I disabled the "lock when screensaver is active"
[22:03] <geirha> Older Ubuntu release?
[22:04] <Wenchie> ummmm
[22:04] <Wenchie> 11 something
[22:04] <Wenchie> I just installed it yesterday
[22:05] <geirha> So either 11.04 Natty Narwhal or 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot
[22:06] <Wenchie> I started with 10 - a friend gave me the disk - and it immediately prompted me to upgrade to 11
[22:06] <Wenchie> where do I look?
[22:06] <geirha> 11.04 then, released april 2011. It'll be supported until october 2012
[22:07] <geirha> the version is yy.mm
[22:07] <Wenchie> wait!  There was a prompt to upgrade to Oneiric Ocelot when I logged in a little while ago.
[22:08] <Wenchie> so each version is supported for 18 months?
[22:09] <geirha> Yes, except LTS (Long Term Support) releases, which are supported for 3 years. 5 years for the server edition
[22:09] <geirha> 6.06, 8.04, 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS releases
[22:09] <Wenchie> ok thanks
[22:10] <geirha> You can upgrade from one LTS release to another
[22:10] <geirha> next LTS release will be 14.04
[22:10] <Wenchie> Are the LTS releases free too?
[22:11] <geirha> yes
[22:11] <Wenchie> wow that's really nice to know thanks!
[22:11] <geirha> every fourth release is an LTS. If you don't want to bother with upgrading that often, stick with LTS releases
[22:12] <Wenchie> so when I am prompted to upgrade, I can skip it?
[22:14] <Wenchie> thank you so much :)  I am downloading 12.04


[03:00] <wachin> Hi to all UbuntuStudio Support
[03:00] <holstein> o/
[03:00] <wachin> Hi to all UbuntuStudio Supporti need a help, I buy a logitech K400r keyboard
[03:01] <wachin> God Bless holstein
[03:01] <wachin> I am happy to see you :)
[03:01] <holstein> i have one of those
[03:01] <wachin> But not working the command: synclient LockedDrags=1
[03:02] <holstein> handy.. i use it at my LUG meetings mostly, so i can leave a machine by the projector, and move to a table with it
[03:03] <wachin> Hi to all UbuntuStudio Support Inspiron 1750 working fine, and my external keyboard iogear working(but now is broken, for this reason I buy the Logitech K400r)
[03:04] <wachin> My model is this http://www.logitech.com/es-es/product/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400r
[03:04] <holstein> right.. i have that model wachin
[03:05] <wachin> Ohhhh, you have that model, great
[03:05] <holstein> the black one
[03:05] <wachin> I don't understant why if I put on a terminal  synclient LockedDrags=1
[03:05] <wachin> no working this commad
[03:06] <holstein> what are you trying to accomplish?
[03:06] <wachin> (yes, the black)
[03:06] <holstein> you can ask in #ubuntu , since its not related to ubuntustudio
[03:06] <holstein> i just plug it in and use it
[03:07] <holstein> you can elaboarate as to what you are trying to accomplish
[03:08] <wachin> Ok, go now
[03:08] <wachin> see you later great holstein
[03:08] <holstein> o/
[12:41] <ghg> hi
[12:41] <ghg> any body theRe?!


[03:06] <delinquentme> hey all .. is there a bzr command something akin to gitk?
[03:06] <delinquentme> like a way I can graphically view the commit history?
[04:59] <lifeless> delinquentme: bzr viz
[07:59] <mgz> morning all!
[08:59] <christiank> Hi! Our development team uses Bazaar in combination with Launchpad. I have filed a bug report on Sept. 11th and haven't had any replies. Is this the correct avenue to get help with it?
[08:59] <christiank> It is bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1049124
[09:00] <bob2> how old is the repo
[09:00] <christiank> Good question, let me check
[09:01] <christiank> It got created on May 30th, 2009
[09:26] <christiank> bob2: Have you got any ideas as to why this bug might happen?
[10:19] <pled76> hello all
[10:21]  * christiank is away: Lunch
[10:22] <pled76> failed to enable bzr via ssh
[10:22] <pled76> server: ubuntu 10.04
[10:22] <pled76> clients: Windows (putty and pageant)
[10:22] <pled76> error:
[10:22] <pled76> Connected (version 2.0, client OpenSSH_5.3p1)
[10:22] <pled76> Authentication (publickey) failed.
[10:22] <pled76> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xcf in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
[10:22] <pled76> putty ssh logins working ok
[10:22] <pled76> server encoding utf-8
[10:23] <pled76> clients are cp1251
[10:23] <pled76> pls, help to troubleshoot
[10:24] <mgz> pled76: please pastebin the corresponding section of your .bzr.log (running `bzr version` will tell you where to find that)
[10:24] <pled76> can provide full error message -- seems as python stack
[10:24] <mgz> !pastebin
[10:24] <pled76> mgz: log from client or from server?
[10:25] <mgz> client, but both wouldn't hurt
[10:26] <mgz> it looks like you've just not got your keys configured correctly, but have a knock-on problem trying to print a localised error message
[10:27] <pled76> keys are working -- putty can login from client
[10:27] <mgz> you probably haven't told bzr to use putty
[10:28] <mgz> by, eg setting envvar BZR_SSH to the path to your putty executable
[10:29] <pled76> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1253636/
[10:29] <pled76> thanks, will try to set BZR_SSH on client
[10:29] <mgz> heh: "0.078  looking for plugins in C:/Documents and Settings/P◈P◈PjPëPSPëC◈C‚C◈P°C‚PsC◈/Application Data/bazaar/2.0/plugins"
[10:29] <mgz> that's pretty mangled
[10:30] <pled76> thats Russian in ibm866 converted to cp1251
[10:30] <pled76> the word there is "/Администратор/"
[10:32] <mgz> so, your problem is just that it's falling back to calling 'ssh' as you haven't configured it to use putty
[10:32] <mgz> but the locale mangling is also confusing things
[10:33] <pled76> will try setting BZR_SSH to "plink"
[10:33] <mgz> because it's trying to prompt for a password, but can't encode the tranlated prompt in whatever it thinks your locale is
[10:34] <mgz> pled76: what does the locale bits at the bottom of that error in the terminal say?
[10:34] <mgz> fs_enc and so on.
[10:38] <pled76> encoding: 'cp1251', fsenc: 'mbcs', lang: None
[10:39] <pled76> on client I get:
[10:39] <pled76> D:\Temp\3>set BZR_SSH=D:\Tools\plink.exe
[10:39] <pled76> D:\Temp\3>bzr co bzr+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/grp/bazaar/TandemUni/module_ramecox/ ramecox
[10:39] <pled76> D:\Temp\3>bzr co bzr+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/grp/bazaar/TandemUni/module_ramecox/ ramecox
[10:39] <pled76> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[10:39] <pled76> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[10:41] <mgz> but `plink <IP_ADDRESS>` works?
[10:44] <pled76> plink <IP_ADDRESS> -l mikmer
[10:44] <pled76> works correctly -- does not prompt for password and logins to linux shell
[10:45] <mgz> you need to tell bzr about `-l mikmer` too.
[10:46] <pled76> but how?
[10:46] <mgz> can either stick it in the url, or in authentication.conf
[10:46] <mgz> read `bzr help authentication`
[10:46] <pled76> mgz: will try now, thanks
[10:56] <pled76> mgz: thanks a lot -- now it works!   :)
[10:58] <mgz> pled76: ace! did you add the details in authentication.conf or in the url?
[11:15] <pled76> mgz: I added section with host and user to authentication.conf
[11:16] <pled76> mgz: seems that adding user to url wiil do the trick also -- will try lately
[11:18] <mgz> right, the conf option is generally best, otherwise it's easy to forget :)
[12:01]  * christiank is back (gone 01:40:09)
[12:05] <bob2> probably want to turn that off
[12:28] <jelmer> hi jam, mgz
[12:29] <jam> hi jelmer, I just mentioned you in the other channel :)
[12:29]  * w7z is eating lunch
[12:29] <jelmer> jam: :-) I was first though; have just caught up on email
[12:29] <jam> w7z: still focused on sampledata, right?
[12:30] <w7z> yeah, though I left juju trying to deploy folsom when I went to put the pasta on
[12:31] <w7z> so I might have a cloud in a cloud by now (though more likely, a bunch of errors)
[13:01] <mgz> was an install error...
[13:38] <christiank> bob2: Hi, you have responded to my question from 11:02 Central European Time this morning (regarding a bug) with another question, but haven't come back to me since I provided the answer. Have you had an opportunity to look into that issue?
[13:38] <bob2> nope
[13:38] <bob2> <- not a bzr dev
[13:39] <christiank> Ah, OK
[13:39] <christiank> Is there somebody on the chat who might be able to have a look then?
[13:42] <mgz> christiank: you need to talk to the launchpad maintence squad, who can be found in #launchpad on mostly AUS/US timezones
[13:42] <christiank> OK, thanks!
[13:43] <christiank> Will do
[13:43] <mgz> was the branch derived from an SVN repo, or was it always bzr?
[13:59] <christiank> The code was originally in a git repository and got then into a Bazaar repository
[14:00] <mgz> jelmer: were there git ghost bugs, or is this a stacking issue?
[14:01] <jelmer> mgz: ghosts shouldn't occur with git imports; bugs could cause them to appear though
[14:02] <mgz> but, unlike svn there's not a well-known previously reported bug that causes ghost issues?
[14:02] <mgz> because otherwise it's probably from branches moving around and breaking a stacking relationship or something
[14:03] <jelmer> mgz: for svn ghosts aren't a well known bug; they are intentional behaviour
[14:05] <christiank> The thing is that we don't get problems when we use Bazaar Clients of Version 2.4.2. The problem exists for Bazaar Clients V 2.5.0 and V 2.5.1.
[14:05] <christiank> We find 2.4.2 quite buggy, it leaves a lot of 'dead' processes in memory all the time and would like to use 2.5.1, but then we get the issues I reported in the bug report
[14:06] <christiank> That is all on Windows
[14:06] <mgz> christiank: the bug you reported has two different issues
[14:06] <mgz> one of them (the binary junk from the smart server) is a seperate issue and has been fixed on trunk and 2.5 branch
[14:06] <christiank> Aha
[14:07] <mgz> having ghosts on an branch is still something that needs fixing though, most likely in the launchpad hosted repos
[14:07] <mgz> s/an/a/
[14:10] <christiank> We think that we were using Bazaar 2.5.x clients and didn't run into the issues reported until two or three days before I reported the bug, but aren't 100% sure about that. Could a Bazaar Server upgrade on Launchpad have caused the problem?
[14:10] <mgz> christiank: it caused at least the second issue
[14:11] <christiank> You mean the 'binary junt from the smart server'?
[14:11] <christiank> junt -> junk
[14:12] <mgz> yes, that's bug 1046265
[14:14] <christiank> Do you think a 'brz reconcile' on trunk might help with the 'ghost' problem that 'brz log' reports in recently created branches when we use 2.5.x Clients?
[14:16] <mgz> probably not, but creating a fresh repo might, but that's involved and affects all stacked branches
[14:20] <christiank> I'm just wondering the bug doesn't surface when using Version 2.4.2, and hence if there really is a problem with our repo, or if it's rather a problem of Bazaar 2.5.x Clients
[14:21] <mgz> christiank: so, as I understand it, you work in checkouts from launchpad rather than local branches
[14:22] <christiank> Correct
[14:22] <mgz> in 2.4 this was massively inefficient, because most actions end up fetching large chunks of the repository pack files when doing anything involving hitory
[14:22] <maxb> Out of curiosity, I ran bzr check -v on a local branch of lp:openpetraorg - am I misremembering that bzr check reports ghosts? This run did not
[14:22] <christiank> We use Bazaar Explorer to create the Branches, not the Launchpad web interface for that, though
[14:23] <mgz> maxb: there are no ghosts on trunk
[14:23] <mgz> the rev reported as a ghost exists on trunk
[14:23] <mgz> 2.5 added some optimsations that use specific smart server verbs that do the work server side and send just a small ammount of data back
[14:24] <christiank> I realised that 2.4.2 is slower when I stepped back from 2.5.2
[14:24] <mgz> but deploying the smart server code to launchpad revealed a few issues
[14:24] <mgz> this seems like something specific wrong with how launchpad is doing branches/stacking/?
[14:25] <christiank> I'm sorry, I need to take part in a meeting now. Are you available in let's say two or three hours or so?
[14:25] <mgz> but if you make a local branch and push back up to that ghost-reporting branch in your bug, that might affect things
[14:25] <mgz> christiank: I'll be around.
[14:25] <christiank> OK, great
[14:25] <christiank> Will come back later to you then
[14:25] <christiank> Thanks for helping
[14:27] <mgz> ...or not, a copy of that branch in my namespace is similarly borked
[15:09] <christiank> mgz: Hi, I am back from the meeting.
[15:10] <christiank> mgz: You write '...or not, a copy of that branch in my namespace is similarly borked'. Do I understand it correctly that you did a local checkout of one of our branches and can reproduce the issue I reported?
[15:38] <mgz> christiank: I branched the one from your bug report, and pushed it back up as lp:~gz/openpetraorg/dev_branching_OK_test1
[15:39] <mgz> which has the same issue
[15:40] <mgz> running `bzr log -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the local branch is fine though, obviously
[15:40] <mgz> so it's checkout/stacking related
[15:40] <christiank> Aha
[15:41] <christiank> mgz: And you are running Bazaar 2.5.1?
[15:41] <mgz> that was 2.6b2 but yes basically
[15:41] <christiank> OK.
[15:42] <mgz> basically, using lightweight checkouts of remote branches was never really recommended
[15:42] <mgz> so has not been as well tested or debugged in general
[15:43] <christiank> mgz: Maybe you could try to a fresh branch from our trunk and try to push it back up as you did with the branch from my branch. That way we could see if you could create a 'healthy' branch from our trunk, or not
[15:43] <christiank> mgz: I see
[15:43] <mgz> your trunk seems healthy anyway
[15:44] <mgz> it's the branches created stacked on top that are unwell
[15:44] <christiank> mgz: I see. And the '51223 inconsistent parents' that bzr check reports on trunk - should we not worry about those, or is that report wrong?
[15:44] <mgz> how did you create them exactly? modify your local trunk then push back to a new location?
[15:47] <mgz> the inconsistent parents are probably just a side effect of the code import, and may or may not be related
[15:48] <christiank> mgz: We create new branches from within Bazaar Explorer, using the 'Bazaar' -> 'Start' -> 'Branch...' facility, giving 'lp:openpetraorg' as the 'From' and e.g. 'lp:~christian-k/openpetraorg/dev_branching_OK_test1' as the To Locations. After that we do a checkout of the new branch to a local directory of our Windows machine, using the 'Bazaar' -> 'Start' -> 'Checkout..' facility.
[15:50] <christiank> mgz: then we do modifications to the source files on the branch and check them in regularly, occasionally doing a merge from trunk to keep things up-to-date in the branch. Finally we merge that branch into trunk once we are done with development. We do all operations with Bazaar Explorer.
[15:50] <mgz> okay, that first step is a little funky, I'll see if I can reproduce
[15:50] <christiank> mgz: Thanks
[15:59] <mgz> hm, nope, trivial case works fine.
[16:00] <mgz> if there's anything else in common broken branches have, it may be worth looking at .bzr.log to see what the exact operations you did were (`bzr version` will tell you where to find that)
[16:05] <christiank> mgz: The problem is that I have now V 2.4.2 installed and not V 2.5.x so I can't do that
[16:10] <christiank> mgz: You write: 'hm, nope, trivial case works fine.' --- So did you create branch 'lp:~gz/openpetraorg/testborkedness' in the way you described with V 2.6b2 on Windows using Bazaar Explorer and you don't see any 'ghost' issues?
[16:11] <christiank> mgz: sorry - 'in the way you described' should have been ' in the way I described'
[16:21] <mgz> christiank: using the underlying bzr commands that explorer uses, yes
[16:21] <christiank> mgz: OK, that's good to know. Is there a release date for 2.6 yet?
[16:29] <mgz> christiank: to be clear, I suspect it's my steps to reproduce the problem are incomplete, rather than an issue fixed in 2.6
[16:29] <christiank> mgz: I'm having a break but will be back later
[16:29]  * christiank is away: Break
[17:30] <trashbird1240> hello
[17:33]  * christiank is back (gone 01:03:40)
[17:33] <christiank> mgz: I am back again
[17:36] <mgz> I'm nearly gone (well, I'm on downstairs as well)
[17:37] <christiank> mgz: Could you perhaps try to do the steps I outlined earlier really with Bazaar Explorer rather than the commands that Bazaar Explorer would use to create a new Branch in the way that I described? We hardly ever use the commandline commands but Bazaar Explorer. I did use the steps I outlined earlier to create the branch that I mention in the bug, lp:~christian-k/openpetraorg/dev_branching_OK_test1
[17:37] <mgz> christiank: for the first two steps, which were the most specific, I'm pretty confident they're entirely equivalent
[17:38] <mgz> explorer does just call into the bzr commandline for that underneath
[17:39] <christiank> OK
[17:40] <mgz> do other people also branches that also exhibit this problem?
[17:41] <mgz> I'm not clear if it's all branches made after a period, or just some of them
[17:41] <christiank> mgz: For Branch lp:~christian-k/openpetraorg/dev_branching_OK_test1 I did ONLY the first two steps and can produce the problem described in the bug
[17:42] <christiank> mgz: Yes, all developers who used V 2.5.x had the problems in branches that were created from a certain point in time on. Working on branches they had created earlier caused no problems.
[17:42] <trashbird1240> mgz: can you show a link to the bug? (I'm also having a problem)
[17:42] <mgz> christiank: okay, I'll try with the exact steps, and not from within the datacenter
[17:43] <mgz> trashbird1240: bug 1049124
[17:43] <christiank> trashbrid1240: Sure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1049124
[17:43]  * mgz won! :)
[17:43] <trashbird1240> I think I"m having a different problem
[17:44] <mgz> trashbird1240: what's the error message you're getting?
[17:44] <christiank> mgz: One developer who was still on v2.4.2 had no problems whatsoever, also not with newer branches he created after the time the other developers who were on 2.5.x had created branches that exhibet the problem
[17:44] <trashbird1240> I'm getting "bzr: out of memory" when trying to pull to my laptop
[17:44] <trashbird1240> I have narrowed it down to one particular revision
[17:44] <christiank> mgz: Thanks for trying the exact steps.
[17:45] <mgz> ah, you have the good ol' bloated repo problem
[17:45] <trashbird1240> mgz: that appears to be the problem ;)
[17:45] <mgz> if you know which rev it is, and are an admin of the branch,
[17:45] <trashbird1240> which I am...
[17:46]  * trashbird1240 is waiting with baited breath
[17:46] <mgz> you can pull till just that rev, then rewrite the subsequent commits, then push up a new unbloated branch, and retarget trunk at that
[17:46] <trashbird1240> okay
[17:46] <mgz> so, `bzr branch -rLAST_GOOD lp:PROJ`
[17:46] <trashbird1240> is there any other way that would not require reversioning?
[17:47] <trashbird1240> I know that's my real problem, but is there any way to dump the branch to a file or something like that?
[17:47] <mgz> trashbird1240: depends, if it's in your history, nope.
[17:47] <trashbird1240> okay
[17:47] <trashbird1240> I really appreciate the help
[17:47] <trashbird1240> the annoying thing is that it's only this one machine
[17:47] <trashbird1240> and it didn't happen until I upgraded the operating system
[17:48] <trashbird1240> I therefore think the problem is somewhere outside bzr
[17:48] <trashbird1240> firefox keeps crashing too
[17:48] <trashbird1240> e.g. this same problem doesn't happen on Debian (on the same machine)
[17:48] <trashbird1240> it happens on Arch
[17:49] <w7z> ...that does sound like an issue just with that machine that bzr is tickling then
[17:51] <w7z> perhaps something else is sucking up memory and leaving scraps for everyone else?
[17:51] <w7z> try the normal nixy diagnostic things, top and so on
[18:06] <trashbird1240> w7z: thanks; I'm currently trying to get firefox to crash ;)
[18:06] <trashbird1240> I appreciate the help y'all!
[18:10] <trashbird1240> okay, this is weird
[18:10] <trashbird1240> it appears the pull actually worked this time
[18:11] <trashbird1240> that's strange, since it errored out
[19:07] <christiank> mgz: Have you had a chance to try the exact steps out?
[19:11] <w7z> just considering how exact I need to be... I don't have Qt on this box yet
[19:14] <w7z> okay, branch from lp->lp did it, using 2.5.1 from command line
[19:19] <w7z> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1254594/
[19:23] <christiank> w7z: Thanks. So what exactly does this prove - that 2.5.1 creates a broken branch from our trunk, I suppose?
[19:25] <w7z> that just the doing that operation is broken, probably server side. I'll try a few other things.
[19:25] <christiank> w7z: Thanks
[20:04] <christiank> w7z: Need to go for today. Please add any findings to the bug report. Will be on bzr the IRC channel tomorrow.
[20:05] <mgz> christiank: so, it's not specific to your project, and log against any cross-pushed stacked branch fails
[20:05] <christiank> mgz: Ah!
[20:06] <mgz> so, probably just a bug in the smart server log code
[20:06] <mgz> `bzr log -r6567 lp:~gz/bzr/tmptest` also fails
[20:07] <christiank> OK, so we found a wider problem
[20:07] <mgz> the simple workaround is not to use lightweight checkouts from launchpad
[20:07] <mgz> have a shared repo locally, and a real branch of trunk (perhaps without a tree)
[20:07] <mgz> then other branches for your feature work that you push back up to launchpad
[20:08] <christiank> Not sure what other consequences that has - we always used lightweight checkouts so far, I think
[20:09] <christiank> Will check with a colleague of mine if we want to go that way, or not (and wait for the bug to be fixed)
[20:10] <mgz> a few changed commands, easier merges, and faster responses :)
[20:10] <mgz> and backups on everyone's machines
[20:10] <christiank> Not to bad, then ;-)
[20:10] <christiank> And what about administration overhead on each developer's machines?
[20:12] <SamB_MacG5> christiank: that would be the aforementioned backups
[20:12] <christiank> OK, really need to go now. Thanks for your efforts, mgz and w7z!
[20:12] <mgz> probably a few extra commands to setup, and some additional initial data transfer
[20:12] <mgz> later!
[20:12]  * christiank is away: I'm busy
[20:16] <mgz> okay, this isn't perfect but I can mostly repo
[20:17] <mgz> have a local copy of lp:bzr, bzr serve --port 0 --allow-writes, bzr branch --stacked bzr://localhost:PORT/bzr bzr://localhost:PORT/bzr-stacked, bzr log -r1 bzr://localhost:PORT/bzr-stacked
[20:19] <mgz> server side traceback: <http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1254742/>
[21:47] <mgz> jam: if you have any ideas on lp:~gz/bzr/hpss_log_stacked_ghost_1049124/ shout, I need to get some sleep
[21:47] <mgz> basically the code isn't looking up stacked on revs, but I don't know the right magic incantation to fix


[15:12] <kg_> bregma, hey, so hexchat working nice, but won't save settings...always warns "you don't have write access to /home/kg/.config/hexcat"
[15:12] <kg_> i presume that's due to it being in the container ?
[15:13]  * kg_ is now one-of-those-people
[15:13] <kg_> bregma, so is there anyway to let the container access that?
[15:20] <bregma> kg_, I believe you should have write access to a container-unique .config directory, ChrisTownsend can confirm
[15:21] <bregma> I mean, there should be a container-unqiue home directory in which you can create a writable .config
[15:21] <bregma> there were some problems with file ownership in containers that has cropped up from time time to time
[15:21] <anpok> greyback: qtmir..
[15:22] <anpok> qtmir does not replace the focus controller, right?
[15:22] <anpok> so qtmir and unity8 keep mirserver informed about the focused surface/session?
[15:24] <greyback> anpok: correct
[15:25] <anpok> great.. so no problem there..
[15:37] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: kg_: Yeah, for reasons I have yet to determine, some directories in the mappep home have user 100000/100000 as the owner, even when inside the container.
[15:37] <ChrisTownsend> So the easiest thing to do is change .config to be your user and it should work.
[15:42] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, how does one "change .config to be your user"
[15:43] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Oh, right, go to .local/share/libertine-container/user-data/xenial and change it there (assuming the id of your container is xenial).
[15:43] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Then sudo chown it.
[15:52] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, interesting, there's no .config under /xenial/
[15:52] <kg_> there's actually nothing
[15:52] <kg_> oh wait...maybe that's old
[15:53] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Is that the id of your container?
[15:53] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, l-c-m says yes, that's my only container...
[15:54] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, and actually, there's nothing under /xenial/
[15:54] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Hmm, what are the permissions of the xenial directory itself?
[15:55] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: There should be stuff in that directory.  I don't understand why there isn't.
[15:55] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, drwxrwxr-x
[15:56] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Who owns it?
[15:56] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, me..kg
[15:56] <kg_> kg kg
[15:56] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Strange
[15:57] <ChrisTownsend> kg_: Well, try creating a .config directory in there and see what happens.
[16:19] <kg_> ChrisTownsend, sorry got distracted ;) will try


[02:52] <lotuspsychje> morning
[20:45] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue835 now available to our reading public: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835/44021 :D


[00:35] <phil42> hello lubuntu
[19:25] <eipi10> startup disk creator IS the same thing as usb-creator-gtk
[23:41] <eipi10> am I here?


 I use signal
 Lol @Ivoriesablaze
 It does not matter what sort of encryption you use when you use the benjamin.backdoor exploit.
 In hindsight that did sound a bit dirty
 :/
 https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/a0vydu/piece_of_paper_runs_debian/?utm_source=reddit-android
[14:10] <maxolasersquad> Nice.
[14:10] <maxolasersquad> I bet the refresh rate is awful.
 The comments are priceless
 "quality sheetpost" xD
 @RazPi - did you make it back?
 I did! Thank you, are you back yet as well?
 No, some unexpected car repairs delayed me. I will be heading back sometime in the next 12 hours (Should be back by Friday)
 cool
 Oh excellent! Sorry to hear about the repairs :/
 What I though was going to be a sub $100 repair (Fuel Line Sensor) turned into a $1500 repair as the mechanic found some other major problems
 as they always do
 Ahhhhh D:
 I do have to admit that my car is much quieter now
 I started listening to ready player one in the car
 Exhaust leak?
 Oh yeah what were the other problems
 @AdamOutler, Coolant, my radiator had a major crack
 @RazPi, Front wheel berrings
 @RazPi, What do you think of it so far?
 Oh, I would have stopped for wheel bearings.
 And the radiator too.
 @AdamOutler, Yes, that is something that can be fatal if they fail
 Those wheel bearings are serious.  They can lock up suddenly, and then you are skidding at 90mph or however fast you are driving.
 Well, they are fixed now
 Good!  Time to add more electronics to the car now.  :D
 I'm not used to contemporary writing styles but I do find it very engaging
 After I pay that bill
 Ooh.
 The nerdy argument in H's basement was funny
 The book is far better than the movie
 You know there's a VR demo of the basement and the garage
 interesting
 oh, you got your vive?
 On  what platform?
 Yeah I considered listening to it during work
 It's on Sansar
 social media on vr.... it was bound to happen
 https://www.google.com/amp/s/ryanschultz.com/2018/04/02/sansar-pick-of-the-day-ready-player-one-aechs-basement-a-brand-new-experience-by-sansar-studios/amp/
 I'm having a programmers block lately :/
 I had this serene feeling of fun and tinker while in NC
 But been stress-paralyzed since I got back
 I had that moment while fixing up my emacs config and looking through the plug-in source code
 Grab your rubber ducky and say 20 hail Stallmans and ye shall be relieved.
 Haha, it wasn't about emacs really, it was about how slow things move up there
 There's no rush or pressure at all when you drive through the winding roads
 Rubber duck debugging - Wikipedia … https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
 you turned him from rubber to plush.... something you wanna tell us?
 You were there when I bought him :P
 He's my plush support duck
 Ooh your Google pixel?
 @RazPi, The upgraded one
 512 GB of NVMe Storage, 16 GB of RAM and a i7 PRocessor (7th gen)
 NIce!
 that thing is a beast in a small form factor
 Just installing some of my developer tools. I was going to do it when I got back to Miami but due to the delay, I am doing it now
 Which tools?
 Various but right now it is some python libraries, a few compilers, build-essentials and some kernel headers
 It is painful on this slow connection
 Averaging 5 mbps at best
 I actually really like this script, I have been using it for a while. It takes care of most of my needs
 https://github.com/andrewbrg/deb9-dev-machine
 I can be a bit overkill
 Ooh
 um.... ouch
 @KMyers Usually at that point I'd consider going to starbucks, mcdonalds, and buffalo wild wings
 Well not sure about mdcondalds but the other two tend to have good internet
 @RazPi, And the nearest McDonalds is 15 miles away. The nearest starbucks is over 45 minutes
 https://www.t-mobilemoney.com/en/home.html
 @KMyers
 Yes, I just signed up a few minutes ago
 Why?
 Honestly I have been wanting to move away from Chase for a while (the customer service is pitiful).
 I am going to test the waters to see if this is any better
 I have to say I do like Allpoint ATM's. This is kinda how Simple works with a larger bank backing them.
 I rarely visit the ATMs, I use credit for %99 of my prucases
 purchases
 Well you can use Debit for 99% of your purchases as well lol.
 @KMyers, Not if you like rewards, perks and the safety that most credit cards offer
 I know myself too well.
 @ahoneybun, What he said
 How do you think I went to Japan lol.


[22:05] <tsoporan1> Hello, I have this strange problem ... don't know if anyone else has had it, but whenever I try to open a secondary hard drive attached to my computer via Places or double clicking the desktop drive all my desktop icons dissapear. Trying to access it again after that from Places doesn't respond, it looks like its loading but nothing happens. Any ideas? I know thi is pretty vague ...
[22:05] <datz> Anyone know shortcut to drop gui and go to shell screen?
[22:05] <syrius> how to I keep the metadata with mp3 files when I convert them to a lower bitrate in winff?
[22:05] <Slart> mobi-sheep: samba4? new version?
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> datz:  dont want to try 'sudo service gdm stop' ?
[22:06] <jimcooncat> D9, you might as well get ssh set up. Then sshfs is easy.
[22:06] <irc_newb> guntbert: can i paste a piece of it?
[22:06] <mobi-sheep> Slart: I don't know. I haven't messed around with it but from the looks of it, it's for *nix.
[22:06] <Slart> datz: Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, F3 and so on
[22:06] <Slart> datz: Alt+F7 to get back
[22:06] <datz> humm
[22:06] <soio> QAH: I just made my modifications starting from desktop edition installed in a virtual machine, and after that I used remastersys and now I have the file customdist.iso in which I get all my modifications. I used this iso to create a usb installation, but you're free to install it like it's a new iso ...
[22:06] <guntbert> !pastebin | irc_newb
[22:06] <mdt> Anybody know why X might fail to start when startx is run by a normal user, but starts OK when startx is run by root?
[22:07] <D9> D9 is there an easy way for a non computer expert.  A windows user.  someone who is unfamiliar with the command line.  Some one who has been messign around with samba for 3 days because i was told it is easy and could work between two linux systems.  EASY EASY, I am not a linux professional and do not want to be. I just need to move some data files from one system to another.
[22:07] <QAH> Ok thanks for the help guys
[22:07] <datz> thanks Slart
[22:07] <QAH> I am going to try everything
[22:07] <radioman-lt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ
[22:07] <QAH> Bye
[22:07] <Slart> mobi-sheep: hmm... well.. I think I'll stick to nfs for now.. perhaps in Ubuntu 14.04 Asthmatic Aardwaark =)
[22:07] <mordof> is there a shortcut key for launching a terminal?
[22:07] <Slart> datz: you're welcome
[22:08] <frankely> hey guys what is better install from synaptic or install a .deb package?
[22:08] <irc_newb> guntbert: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d45bab1ab
[22:08] <Slart> mordof: Alt+F2 will get you a run-dialog.. I don't think there is a shortcut to start a terminal directly
[22:08] <mdt> D9 how 'bout rsync?
[22:08] <D9> jimcooncat: can that be done in a gui?
[22:08] <guntbert> mdt: you'll have to look into the logs /var/log/Xorg.....
[22:08] <frankely> hey guys what is better (recomended) install from synaptic or install a .deb package?
[22:08] <mobi-sheep> mordof: I use Gnome-Do -- I bring it up and type "terminal'
[22:08] <Slart> mordof: you could of course create one in the compiz configuration thingy
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> mordof:   you Can make one if you are using compiz fairly easially.. or i recall normal gnome has a way to do it also
[22:08] <mordof> Slart: k, ty. disabling gnome-panel.. just trying to make sure i can still access stuff
[22:08] <D9> mdt, i have no idea, I dont know what that is or how easy it is.
[22:08] <mordof> compiz is disabled
[22:08] <mdt> guntbert: no errors at all in the logs :(
[22:08] <Slart> frankely: synaptic with the standard repos would be the easiest, I think
[22:08] <datz> Slart: know about adjusting shell text size at all?
[22:09] <jimcooncat> D9 -- I'm not sure, you could try installing openssh-server from synaptic
[22:09] <frankely> im gonna install oracle 10g, what will be the best way?
[22:09] <Slart> mordof: I'm not sure if Alt+F2 depends on the gnome-panel..
[22:09] <mdt> D9: try man rsync from a terminal window ... there are some examples in the man file ... it's very easy
[22:09] <chun> Can anyone help with the following error with apt-get update in a new karmic install? W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[22:09] <D9> mdt does that requier a sever?
[22:10] <Slart> datz: mm.. with the old grub you added a resolution code.. something like VGA=81 (the codes are available on the net).. but with the new grub I'm not sure any more.. there's probably a way to change it somewhere
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 has a way yiou can change the initial screen 'res' see the files /etc/default/grub  I belive
[22:10] <karma_police> i'm afraid to mess with grub.. at least grub2 anyways.. its fragile
[22:11] <datz> Slart: ok, I'm on old grub here
[22:11] <D9> slart will ssh allow me to see both drives in the file manager?
[22:11] <mdt> D9: if the 2 boxes are both on the same LAN (ie connected via a router as you say) then no ... peer to peer
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> D9:  sshfs lets you 'mount' the remote machine via ssh to a local directory.
[22:11] <guntbert> irc_newb: what I see: are you working as root (with a different name)?
[22:12] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMzJleg | :D:D:D:D finally got it to work
[22:12] <Slart> D9: sshfs will let you mount a remote folder on your own filesystem.. so you see something like /media/removedrive  that contains all the files from the remote computer
[22:12] <Slart> D9: then you can use nautilus as normal
[22:12] <Ubuntu_User> Ummm How do I find out what Graphics Card I have?
[22:12] <irc_newb> guntbert: i am using "tristan"
[22:12] <cellofellow> I just got emailed a .pmd file, which is Adobe Pagemaker. Anybody know anything that can open that?
[22:12] <Slart> Ubuntu_User: lshw -C display  might work
[22:12] <D9> slart, so I have to use the terminal to set it up?
[22:12] <dabaR> irc_newb: that is when you log in locally too?
[22:12] <nellmathew> hey guys anyone know how to find out the "recommends" of a package? not the missing recommends, just the ones that might be offered alongside a package (the package is already installed btw, i want to know what recommends were installed alongside).
[22:13] <karma_police> how do you mount a folder from your local machine so that it can be seen over a mixed(linux/windows) network?
[22:13] <irc_newb> guntbert: yes
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  you 'share' a directory or some how create a share. that the other machines then can access
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> !samba | karma_police
[22:13] <cellofellow> karma_police: Samba (windows networking) is best for that.
[22:13] <Slart> D9: that's the way I did it the last time.. there might be a gui way .. perhaps some kind of "connect to another computer"-wizard somewhere
[22:13] <D9> thanks Dr_Willis
[22:13] <D9> thanks slart...
[22:14] <Slart> D9: you're welcome
[22:14] <D9> will give it a try
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> D9:  the gnome connect-to-server wizard uses sftp i think.    sshfs is similer in how it works
[22:14] <karma_police> the folder i am wanting to share is about 500gb. is that still logical using samba?
[22:14] <jarray52> I believe I have a problem with gdmsetup
[22:14] <jarray52> Does anyone have experience with this file?
[22:14] <guntbert> irc_newb: you last line was probably directed at dabaR
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  size dosent matter.
[22:14] <karma_police> cool
[22:15] <Ubuntu_User> Ok...
[22:15] <dabaR> irc_newb: did you try with just a username and password instead of keys?
[22:15] <irc_newb> oh whoops
[22:15] <dabaR> Dr_Willis: is that what they tell you?
[22:15] <irc_newb> not yet..
[22:15] <karma_police> is there a samba gui yet? or is it all still command based?
[22:15] <dabaR> irc_newb: sounds like a problem with the key almost.
[22:15] <dabaR> But anyway, try that if you run out of ideas.
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  the gui'd ive seen are rather annoying.. and 'swat' has been  a gui for it for years..
[22:15] <irc_newb> dabaR: i'll try that now...
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  but its best to learn how to config it by hand.
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> !info samba-doc | karma_police
[22:16] <mobi-sheep> !info gadmin-samba | karma_police :(
[22:16] <karma_police> ty
[22:16] <da65> hi all
[22:16] <da65> happy holidays
[22:17] <da65> if I install bunt sever do I GET ROOT?
[22:17] <da65> opps sry for caps
[22:17] <guntbert> !enter | da65
[22:18] <guntbert> !root | da65
[22:18] <dabaR> !root | da65
[22:18] <da65> geez
[22:18] <mdt> Anybody know why X might fail to start when startx is run by a normal user, but starts OK when startx is run by root?
[22:18] <da65> lighten up
[22:18] <dabaR> mdt: permissions.
[22:18] <irc_newb> dabaR: it works fine with just using the password...
[22:18] <dabaR> irc_newb: you have to revisit your key setup, I think.
[22:18] <karma_police> matrix.. hehe
[22:18] <dabaR> irc_newb: did you follow a tutorial, or how did you set that up?
[22:18] <da65> guntbert:  go away for a bit plz
[22:19] <commodore256> 
[22:19] <guntbert> da65: ?
[22:19] <da65> deb etchserver end of life is soo
[22:19] <D9> Dr_Willis: I down loaded open ssh server and client... can't find it in the menu
[22:19] <da65> soon
[22:19] <mdt> dabaR: what permissions?  .Xauthority files removed and still does not work ... no errors in logs
[22:19] <irc_newb> dabaR: i did, sort of.. but it works when i'm logged in locally. could it be a permission issue?
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> D9:  thats because they are cli tools.
[22:19] <da65> can I get root on bunt server?
[22:19] <dabaR> mdt: well, that sounds like the kind of thing that would be caused by permissions, don't you think?
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> !ssh | D9
[22:20] <dabaR> irc_newb: dunno, what are the steps you took?
[22:20] <brody_> does someone know why when i try to edit the grub boot loader via menu.lst (/boot/grub), there is nothing in the document?  I need to clear up the boot loader after my recent install.
[22:20] <dabaR> !grub | brody_
[22:20] <dabaR> brody_: seems pretty informative.
[22:20] <irc_newb> dabaR: installed openssh-server, configured it to work only with keys....
[22:21] <da65> merry xmas all btw
[22:21] <Ubuntu_User> how do I configure my graphics...do I need to download a driver or can python do it?
[22:21] <dabaR> Heh
[22:21] <mdt> dabaR: absolutely ... I just can't find anything wrong with the permissions :(
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> brody_:  if you just did a clean install of 9.10  - you are using grub2. not grub1. there is no need for a menu.lst with grub2
[22:21] <hidalgo> hello
[22:21] <dabaR> mdt: there may be more things than just that .XAuthority
[22:21] <dabaR> like .gdm
[22:21] <dabaR> or something like that.
[22:21] <da65> guys, do I get root on server installation?
[22:22] <brody_> dabaR - thanks, i'll check that out
[22:22] <dabaR> da65: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:22] <da65> used deb for years
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> da65:  login as your admin user and use 'sudo' properly
[22:22] <karma_police> i did a clean install not too long ago and it didn't prompt to update grub2 till i ran the updates
[22:22] <brody_> Dr_Willis- i guess this is grub2, but it's still cluttered with other versions
[22:22] <da65> but do I get root?
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> a clean install would install grub2....
[22:22] <irc_newb> dabaR: when i setup up the server, i set it to automatically encrypt my home dir, could that be why? it can't compare the keys because they;re encrypted?
[22:22] <chun> Can anyone help with the following error with apt-get update in a new karmic install? W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> brody_:  remove the kernels you dont want. (be carefull)
[22:23] <LeChacal> dabaR: manually editing my /boot/grub/grub.cfg file worked, ill just have to read more about the new grub and figure out why it doesn't auto update its self, thank you for helping
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> brody_:  using the package manager, or that computer-janitor tool
[22:23] <da65> ty dabar
[22:23] <Slart> da65: the default install doesn't set a password for root.. you get sudo instead.. so no.. you don't get root
[22:23] <dabaR> LeChacal: yw
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> LeChacal:  any changes to grub.cfg will get overwritten next time you run update-grub
[22:23] <da65> ok
[22:23] <mdt> dabaR: prolly ... but I can't figure out what.  And I would expect some errors in the logs indicating such.
[22:23] <dabaR> chun: what is the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? put it on pastebin, please.
[22:23] <dabaR> mdt: do you have gdm installed?
[22:24] <Ubuntu_User> ummm did I ask a stupid question?
[22:24] <dabaR> Ubuntu_User: what exact graphics are you talking about?
[22:24] <LeChacal> Dr_Willis: i know that, and ill just have to remake the grub.cfg file if i havent found a solution by the next time a new kernel patch comes out'
[22:24] <dabaR> Ubuntu_User: not so much stupid as unclear.
[22:24] <pteague> anybody know why amarok2 can't play mp2s?
[22:24] <Ubuntu_User> overall better graphics...flip...buffering...the works
[22:24] <Slart> Ubuntu_User: perhaps you didn't give us all the details .. what version of ubuntu.. what graphics card?
[22:25] <karma_police> when i did a fresh install it prompted some grub2 menu and asked if i wanted to use grub or grub2. i know it was a fresh install also.. maybe it was just an update to grub2
[22:25] <da65> pteague: maybe your speakers not plugged in
[22:25] <dabaR> Dr_Willis: looks like they won't on his system...his update-grub is the old version that overwrites menu.lst, and yet his grub reads grub.cfg
[22:25] <dabaR> Dr_Willis: seen that before?
[22:25] <Ubuntu_User> Ubuntu 9.10 I don't have a graphics driver for my intel card...I'm relying on python
[22:25] <Slart> pteague: can you play mp2's with totem? or any other media player?
[22:25] <D9> Slart, I appreciate the help, but is there anything simple like in windows... that takes like 3 minutes.
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> dabaR:  only when someone does somtning odd like instgalls grub1 some how.
[22:25] <Slart> Ubuntu_User: python? .. now I'm confused.. how does python help?
[22:25] <da65> is bunt server ok for webserving?
[22:25] <mdt> dabaR: yeah (either that or Xdm ... whatever the Xubuntu default is)
[22:26] <dabaR> mdt: does that start?
[22:26] <dabaR> the login screen
[22:26] <pteague> da65: no, mp2s don't show up in playlist... amarok 1.4 played mp2s just fine, amarok2 doesn't seem to know what they are
[22:26] <brody_> Dr_Willis - alright, thank you, I appreciate it
[22:26] <dabaR> da65: great.
[22:26] <irc_newb> dabaR: when i setup up the server, i set it to automatically encrypt my home dir, could that be why? it can't compare the keys because they;re encrypted?
[22:26] <Slart> D9: not that I know of, sorry
[22:26] <da65> dabaR: ty
[22:26] <Ubuntu_User> well it lets me play some games and look at stuff...but is python enough?
[22:26] <dabaR> irc_newb: could be, I suppose.
[22:26] <Ubuntu_User> Do I need a driver for my graphics chip?
[22:26] <da65> pteague: make sure you have all the requires
[22:26] <mdt> dabaR: yes ... but when i try to log on as my regular user, it just goes back to the display manager logon screen after blanking for a few secs
[22:26] <karma_police> i made the mistake of trying to install win7 after ubuntu.. ofcourse my grub was deleted.. then when i re dl it it wouldn't recognize the win7
[22:26] <pteague> Slart: just uninstalled amarok14 today to try amarok2 again... amarok14 plays mp2 just fine
[22:26] <irc_newb> dabaR: so how would i fix that?
[22:27] <dabaR> mdt: so it is not X that is not starting, but rather you can't log in.
[22:27] <dabaR> X has to start for the login screen to show up.
[22:27] <pteague> da65: wouldn't aptitude/apt-get install all the requires or complain?
[22:27] <Slart> pteague: it's probably a problem with whatever back end engine amarok uses
[22:27] <mdt> dabaR: hmmm... lemme think about that
[22:27] <dabaR> irc_newb: It is beyond my experience.
[22:27] <da65> crap, deb etch ends soon and I have to change os on my servers
[22:27] <Slart> mdt: that sounds like X crashing.. it restarts and you end up at the login prompt again
[22:28] <mdt> Slart: yup that's what I think
[22:28] <dabaR> mdt: what are the permissions and ownership like on .dmrc?
[22:28] <da65> leeny does not work with Plask
[22:28] <da65> lenny
[22:28] <mdt> dabaR: sec
[22:28] <irc_newb> dabaR: ty for the insight, ill surf a little
[22:28] <mdt> dabaR: sry in middle of a reboot atm
[22:28] <karma_police> i love firefox but it seems to be luggy lately. i don't know if its flash issues or what. What browsers do u all recommend?
[22:28] <Slart> da65: this is the ubuntu support channel.. there is an offtopic channel for other stuff, #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:28] <guntbert> da65: maybe #ubuntu-server is the channel for you?
[22:28] <da65> pteague:  no, some r special Ithink
[22:29] <da65> guntbert: ty
[22:29] <Ubuntu_User> Still not clear?
[22:29] <VirusTB> whats the safest way to set up a Wifi router so none can see it but me?
[22:29] <dabaR> guntbert: :-)
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  go try the beta of google chrome.
[22:29] <VirusTB> how do I hide my wifi router??  something With MAC asddresses?
[22:29] <pteague> Slart: hmm... any idea how to tell which engine it uses? i'm not seeing xine or arts in the depend tree
[22:29] <VirusTB> addresses*
[22:29] <billybigrigger> anyone else have a problem launching the run dialog with alt-f2?
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> VirusTB:  most routers can hide the ssid i belive,
[22:29] <karma_police> google dpy too much.. lol
[22:29] <dabaR> VirusTB: for people not to see it in the list of avail networks?
[22:29] <karma_police> spy*
[22:29] <Slart> pteague: it's been a while since I used amarok.. I'm not really sure what it looks like these days.. sorry
[22:29] <superdump> hello, back again
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  whatever then.. good luck
[22:30] <karma_police> ty
[22:30] <karma_police> do you use chrome? and if so do u like it?
[22:30] <pteague> Slart: oh, what are you using?
[22:30] <guntbert> dabaR: I admit to feeling a bit mean though :-)
[22:30] <Slart> pteague: I use quod libet
[22:30] <chun> dabaR: sorry, missed your message, I've copied sources.list along with the error to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8549967#post8549967
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  it works very well here. It has a great many extenesions.. and i can basically replace  my firefox setup with it now.
[22:30] <mdt> dabaR: -rw-r--r--
[22:30] <dabaR> guntbert: I am still on the fence about whether he is serious.
[22:30] <VirusTB> Dr_Willis<<  dabaR  well I  got a house with 6 housemates, and I dont want em all to use my internet ( I specially bought my own internet connection becaaue I DL and Upload alot)
[22:30] <dabaR> mdt: your user the owner?
[22:30] <mdt> dabaR: chmod 77 -> same prob
[22:31] <mdt> dabaR: y
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> VirusTB:  password protect your router/SSID and hide the ssie.
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> VirusTB:  password protect your router/SSID and hide the ssid
[22:31] <Ubuntu_User> Is my problem unanswerable or something?
[22:31] <D9> is there a lap link program for linux?
[22:31] <VirusTB> Dr_Willis<<  so whats the SSID ?
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> D9:  a crossover cable (network cable) can normally work
[22:31] <superdump> http://pastebin.com/m7ad57edf     the lines between<PHONE_NUMBER>18 kernel uptime are when i echo -n 3 to /proc/acpi/sleep  and the lines that follow are when i select suspend from the menu in karmic
[22:31] <Slart> VirusTB: get a router what does some good encryption.. use a good password/passphrase.. then it won't matter if it doesn't advertise itself
[22:31] <mdt> Ubuntu_User: sry ... what was the Q?
[22:31] <guntbert> dabaR: I decide twice *not* to report him as troll
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> VirusTB:  time to read up and learn about wireelss.. thates the 'network name'
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> !wireless
[22:31] <guntbert> *decided
[22:32] <D9> Dr_Willis: that is the physical connection, what about the software to make it work?
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> D9:  ssh can transfer, or other ways.. no need for special softare
[22:32] <VirusTB> Dr_Willis<<  sorry I know what SSid is (the name you see when you scan for wifi access points)
[22:32] <heoa> ewook: How can I configure the settings in Ubuntu, similarly as in Archlinux, just /etc/rc.conf? grawity:
[22:32] <Ubuntu_User> Is python enough or do I need the Driver for my Chip?
[22:32] <VirusTB> Dr_Willis<<  but if I hide it/ how will my PC connect to it?
[22:32] <superdump> it seems like suspend from the menu isn't issuing the right signals or something
[22:33] <D9> Dr_Willis: I looked at the directions... it is very complex for someone that does not know linux, and has never used the terminal.
[22:33] <VirusTB> Slart<< Well I  just got a old crappy $20 wifi router :S
[22:33] <Alacard> alright, if anyone wants to help a noobie w/ an install, I would greatly appreciate it
[22:33] <VirusTB> Alacard<<  whats you installing
[22:33] <RanyAlbeg> Hi all , suddenly im not able to see all the high resultions in Preferences->Display. i just see a grey rectangle that covers them. i plugged my laptop to with hdmi to LG screen and played with the resultions to see what is best and suddenly i can see only low resolutions. can tyou help? thanks
[22:33] <karma_police> you have to specify
[22:33] <dabaR> chun: your problem is likely temporary.
[22:33] <Alacard> 8.04.3, I have 2 phystical drives
[22:34] <Slart> VirusTB: ouch.. hiding your SSID won't help you much then.. it's like locking your door with piece of string and then remove the name plate on the door..
[22:34] <bluesign> hi, i need some help on setting jabber server on ubuntu
[22:34] <lampliter> I installed unattended-upgrades as documented in https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html
[22:34] <Alacard> I am putting / on one and /home on the other, GRUB begins to load then errors out
[22:34] <Ubuntu_User> Ummm Can Python completely take the place of  a Graphics Driver or do you still need a Graphics driver?
[22:35] <dabaR> chun: although I am not experiencing it.
[22:35] <Slart> Ubuntu_User: no, yes
[22:35] <dabaR> chun: try again.
[22:35] <D9> Dr_Willis: ubuntu looks so good, I am shocked there is not a GUI for this kind of thing.  I know you linux guys love the technical stuff, but if your going to put out a great program like ubuntu, that is basically an excellent point and click os, why not finish the job. I guess there will be more GUI's for all the tools in a few years.
[22:35] <lampliter> but it's not automatically installing packages
[22:35] <VirusTB> Dr_Willis<<  ok  question wheny I plug my LAN cable in I always get two options "Auto eth0" and "Auto Ethernet"
[22:35] <Iowan> Ubuntu_User: You are not ignored... I suspect you will need a driver, but Can't say I'm familiar with a Python driver
[22:35] <VirusTB> Slart<<   I think its WEP :S  should I get a router that WPA2 ?? or WPA ???
[22:35] <Slart> D9: they are adding gui stuff for all kinds of stuff.. but lately it seems they are focusing more on having spinning cubes and animated backgrounds
[22:36] <chun> dabaR: no luck. Been trying for the past 2 days, and it works fine on my laptop. Just not on this machine...
[22:36] <Slart> VirusTB: yes.. WEP will take minutes to crack with a modern computer
[22:36] <Alacard> 2 physical drives, one has / & swap while other has /home, any thoughts?  Errors on grub
[22:36] <RanyAlbeg> Hi all , suddenly im not able to see all the high resultions in Preferences->Display. i just see a grey rectangle that covers them. i plugged my laptop to with hdmi to LG screen and played with the resultions to see what is best and suddenly i can see only low resolutions. can tyou help? thanks
[22:36] <mdt> dabaR: I've been thinking about what u said re: logging on -vs- starting server.  I think the problem is that a non-root user cannot start X.  gdm is run with root priv's is it not?
[22:36] <D9> Slart... LOL  yea, thats all cool, but Give me the functionality.
[22:37] <Slart> D9: =)
[22:37] <VirusTB> slart ok  question wheny I plug my LAN cable in I always get two options "Auto eth0" and "Auto Ethernet"
[22:37] <Frizzix> Hello i'm from Italy
[22:38] <VirusTB> Frizzix<<  hello Im from Africa :P
[22:38] <Ubuntu_User> Ummm isn't Python there by default when you install ubuntu?
[22:38] <Frizzix> may i use web cam on my asus eee pc 1000 with xubuntu
[22:38] <Frizzix> ?????????
[22:38] <Slart> VirusTB: hmm..I only get auto eth0.. not sure what auto ethernet is about
[22:38] <Ubuntu_User> Isn't Python there by default when you install ubuntu?
[22:38] <Alacard> Ubuntu 8.04.3, Won't boot after full install, it's like GRUB can't point to the file system.  Any thoughts?
[22:39] <Maletor> Does anybody have any idea why I have to go to Preferences -> NVIDIA X Server Settings every time I restart my computer to refresh my overscan settings?
[22:39] <VirusTB> @ when  I plug my LAN cable in I always get two options "Auto eth0" and "Auto Ethernet"
[22:39] <mdt> Ubuntu_User: Python is a programming language.  A python interpreter is installed by default when u install ubuntu.
[22:39] <Maletor> It is getting annoying. Actually the overscan issue as a whole is annoying. How do I fix this without using overscan compensation?
[22:39] <dtownhero> Maletor: use gksudo nvidia-settings apply your changes and that should work
[22:39] <Iowan> Ubuntu_User: Python seems to be  necessary, yes.
[22:40] <hkwhat> teach me python
[22:40] <VirusTB> Slart<<  question... when you plug in a LAN cable and you get a green light , that means it has internet cnnectivity right??
[22:40] <YouMust> how do i unbind/unmount a directory?
[22:40] <Slart> VirusTB: the green light on the network card itself?
[22:41] <dtownhero> VirusTB: it means you have connectivity to whatever the other side of the cable is plugged in
[22:41] <mdt> YouMust: umount <dir>
[22:41] <VirusTB> Slart<<  I just moved into a new student room, and I see a ethernet cable, anbd pluggged it itn, but no signs of connecttity
[22:41] <mdt> YouMust: see man umount for details
[22:41] <VirusTB> dtownhero<<  thnks
[22:41] <Slart> VirusTB: I think that just means your cable is connected properly.. I doubt it checks anything more sophisticated than that
[22:41] <YouMust> mdt: thx doh xD
[22:41] <Maletor> dtownhero, ok i did that. It seemed to have just launched the NVIDIA X Server Settings GUI
[22:41] <dtownhero> Maletor: yes, this will allow you to apply the changes as root, then reboot and it should have kept the settings.
[22:42] <koen_> greetings ppl :) , i have a question for you guys  you have locations where u can add various places.. so.. i added my whole music list accidentaly.. and i can just remove them seperatly .. and its alot of music..:/ how can i delete the list in the mass ? Shift button doesnt work
[22:42] <VirusTB> Slart<<  thanks got the answer from dtownhero  :P  I guess I need to check where the cable leads to and what its connected to
[22:42] <Maletor> dtownhero, thank you
[22:42] <dtownhero> np
[22:43] <hkwhat> what room helps me learn code
[22:43] <Maletor> dtownhero, that did not work
[22:44] <dtownhero> Maletor: ok, let's take a step back then. What is overscanning and why do you have to keep doing it?
[22:44] <mdt> dabaR: Maybe not ... perhaps the server starts OK, then crashes when trying to authenticate a non-root client.  If it crashes bad enough maybe it dies before it can log anything.
[22:45] <VirusTB> Slart<<   128 bit  passprase is 10 characters right?
[22:45] <farhad> hello!i have installed ubuntu 9.10 netbook remix on my eeepc 900. i found an annoying bug: when i shift to terminal (ctrl+alt+f[1-6]) and return again on X, keyboard doesn't work anymore. how can i suggest this bug to developers?is it a know bug?thank you
[22:46] <Ubuntu_User> Ok...But I can't configure graphics unless I get a Driver?
[22:46] <koen_> someone have an idea for my problem?
[22:46] <Slart> VirusTB: ahm..  I would guess something like 8 bits per character.. but I'm not sure you can count like that
[22:46] <Alacard> Ubuntu 8.04.3, Won't boot after full install, it's like GRUB can't point to the file system.  Any thoughts?
[22:47] <Maletor> overscanning is when i plug my computer into my vizio 37" a border of about 100px is blocked out from visible
[22:47] <VirusTB> Slart<<  ok hold up,  I got a little issue connecting with my ubuntu wifi... on this PC the wifi connnects( this pc is windows)
[22:47] <Maletor> so i can't see task bar etc.
[22:47] <VirusTB> Slart<<  whats LEAP /Dynmic WEP ?
[22:48] <dtownhero> Maletor: ahh it sounds like your monitor has a video resolution that your card is not supporting?
[22:48] <dtownhero> perhaps that is why you need it, when you saved the changes in the gksudo nvidia-settings can you see them writing to xorg.conf?
[22:48] <BluesKaj> Ubuntu_User, do you know what graphics card , if not , lspci | grep VGA
[22:48] <Maletor> sort of..... i mean it's a vx37l
[22:49] <Maletor> it should be able to handle it...
[22:49] <Juzzy> I'm trying to setup my own repo, and for some reason apt-ftparchive generate /etc/apt/apt-ftparchive.conf is saying i have a corrupt package (which it's not) must be a checkup error somewhere, any ideas where to start on something like this?
[22:49] <mazda01> how do i unfreeze cairo-dock?
[22:49] <dtownhero> depends on the video card honestly
[22:49] <Juzzy> erm checksum
[22:49] <Slart> VirusTB: I have no idea.. you might want to look that up on wikipedia or similar
[22:49] <dtownhero> here is what you'll want to do
[22:49] <nellmathew> hey anyone who uses aptitude and has done a minimal iso / netinst : should sudo aptitude keep-all be my very first command on a bare system? or does it not matter?
[22:50] <mazda01> all animation has seised and when I try to add xchat app from gnome menu, it doesn't add it. i know i can pgrep cairo-dock, kill it, then restart it but hoping for smoother solution
[22:50] <Alacard> Ubuntu 8.04.3, Won't boot after full install, it's like GRUB can't point to the file system.  Any thoughts?
[22:50] <BluesKaj> nellmathew,  aptitude is broken atm , use apt-get instead
[22:50] <nellmathew> BluesKaj, thanks
[22:50] <gaby_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:50] <dtownhero> Maletor: do this, sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.txt
[22:51] <dtownhero> the txt file will be your base to see if changes are taking place
[22:51] <VirusTB> how do I delet an WIFI that I created :S
[22:51] <dtownhero> then run the gksudo nvidia-settings again
[22:51] <dtownhero> save and apply your changes to xorg.conf
[22:51] <VirusTB>  I turned my ubuntu laptop Wifi into a access point( so my iphone cant connect to the internet) how do I remove this Wifi access pointi created ?
[22:51] <dtownhero> go back and compare the two files line by line and make sure the changes took place, in theory anything you do with gksudo nvidia-settings should write to the file, but you may have to delete it if they are not changing
[22:52] <dtownhero> does that make sense?
[22:52] <VirusTB> n/m found it
[22:52] <dtownhero> hopefully it does because I'm getting ready to head out
[22:53] <hkwhat> any one know how to get into control panel for chrome os
[22:54] <BluesKaj> depending on xorg to save your settings is iffy , dtownhero the kernel source driver is more important
[22:54] <Maletor> dtownhero, they are exactly the same
[22:55] <Maletor> however, the xorg.conf file does not mention anything about overscan compensation
[22:56] <Lenin_Cat> firefox is segment faulting and yes I tryed reinstalling
[22:56] <BluesKaj> Maletor, make sure you have the correct driver installed for your graphics card.
[22:56] <Maletor> BluesKaj, i'm positive - i just updated to the latest yesterday
[22:56] <Maletor> it's version 190.53 for my nvidia 9 series (9800gtx+)
[22:57] <dtownhero> Maletor: I think your best bet then is backing up xorg.conf to xorg.conf.back
[22:57] <dtownhero> and then deleting it
[22:57] <dtownhero> deleting xorg.conf
[22:57] <JAMD456> Can someone help me fix the boot up screen to the default Ubuntu one? I installed Kubuntu desktop and my boot up splash screen changed also
[22:57] <Maletor> i already have a file called xorg.conf.backup
[22:57] <dtownhero> then running gksudo nvidia-settings again
[22:57] <BluesKaj> Maletor, are you running a large fancy screen ?
[22:57] <Maletor> BluesKaj, it's a vizio 37" vx37l
[22:57] <mazda01> i am running nvidia 185.18.36 with a nvidia 6200, i have extra composting enabled and my cairo-dock keeps freezing. is there anything in my xorg.conf i should have to make cairo-dock run smoother
[22:58] <Lenin_Cat> firefox is segment faulting and yes I tryed reinstalling
[22:59] <VirusTB> IS THERE  away ro encrypt the data my browser uses ( im on a public wifi network and I want to do some bank transactions)  ??
[22:59] <BluesKaj> Maletor, try this in the terminal , nvidia-xconfig
[23:00] <antlarr> anybody has experience with bluetooth & hci devices ?
[23:00] <Maletor> running gksudo nvidia-settings did not replace my xorg.conf
[23:00] <Maletor> should i cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf ??
[23:00] <antlarr> hciconfig hci0 up doesn't get it up
[23:01] <mazda01> Maletor, run, sudo nvidia-config or something like that
[23:01] <BluesKaj> Maletor, not necessary
[23:01] <mazda01> Maletor, nevermind, wasn't sure what you were trying
[23:01] <marcules> Frohe Weihnachten!
[23:01] <Maletor> what's the init.d to restart X
[23:01] <Maletor> so i don't have to restart
[23:02] <bastid_raZor> Maletor: if you're using gdm .. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[23:02] <VirusTB> IS THERE  away ro encrypt the data my browser uses ( im on a public wifi network and I want to do some bank transactions)  ??
[23:02] <halvor> bye
[23:03] <goedecke> Hi any body pleas help me i have a problem whit the share internet in my server
[23:03] <Maletor> it is still overscanning
[23:03] <Alacard> Ubuntu 8.04.3, Won't boot after full install, it's like GRUB can't point to the file system.  Any thoughts?
[23:03] <Maletor> but! as soon as i go to prefs -> nvidia x server settings it fixes things and i don't have to touch anything
[23:03] <JAMD456>  Can someone help me fix the boot up screen to the default Ubuntu one? I installed Kubuntu desktop alongside Gnome and my boot up splash screen changed to Kubuntu rather then leaving the Ubuntu splash screen in place
[23:03] <goedecke> because 1 have 2 ethernet cards an if i conect the lan card i can't have internet in the server or in the lan
[23:03] <Maletor> it's as if overscan compensation isn't being written anywhere
[23:03] <VirusTB> ok.....
[23:03] <mobi-sheep> VirusTB: If you're using https protocol for bank transactions, you are okay. https == HTTP SECURE.
[23:04] <halvor> hello
[23:04] <mobi-sheep> VirusTB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTPS
[23:05] <manbra> Someone was walking me through a problem
[23:05] <manbra> But my xorg is blank
[23:05] <manbra> http://i46.tinypic.com/2ro6bzc.png
[23:05] <halvor> does anyone use dockey?
[23:05] <Guest37536> happy christmas everyone! is here somebody who could help me with my skype video problem?
[23:05] <halvor> *docky
[23:05] <Otacon22> Is it possibile to use on Gnome a multi monitor set using one monitor for each workspace?
[23:06] <Guest37536> it show green video from my webcam
[23:06] <No> server irc.efnet.pl
[23:06] <Guest37536> i have a ubuntu 9.04
[23:06] <koshari> Otacon22 you can just use gnome twinview and a split workspace.
[23:07] <Otacon22> i've already seen
[23:07] <Otacon22> but it is not what i want to do
[23:07] <obiwan_> hi guys, please, could anybody type ctrl-s ls in terminal? it's supposed to run forward-i-search but it doesn't. ctrl-r works though, idk why but this happened me at any linux computer i tried
[23:07] <Otacon22> i want to use one workspace for monitor
[23:07] <Otacon22> it is possibile with awesome and fluxbox..
[23:07] <Otacon22> not with gnome.
[23:08] <eboyjr> Hello :) I have Ubuntu Desktop and I want a window to come up at a certain time (10:00 PM) saying that the computer will shutdown in 60 seconds. The same window that comes up when you click on your username in the top right and select Shut Down. Does anyone have any solutions?
[23:08] <Maletor> anybody?
[23:08] <koshari> Otacon22 so whats the diff othr than having the panel available on both screens?
[23:09] <tsoporan1> Hello, I have this strange problem ... don't know if anyone else has had it, but whenever I try to open a secondary hard drive attached to my computer via Places or double clicking the desktop drive all my desktop icons dissapear. Trying to access it again after that from Places doesn't respond, it looks like its loading but nothing happens. Any ideas? I know thi is pretty vague ...
[23:10] <Guest37536> iwho could help me with my skype video problem?i have a ubuntu 9.04. It is very important for me, cose i can't get in touch with my mother cose she would like to see my kids
[23:11] <VirusTB> mobi-sheep<<   so once I use HTTPS im 100% safe even if on the WIFI and a locak Starbucks ??
[23:11] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: looks like nautilus is crashing
[23:11] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: what kind of drive is it?
[23:11] <mobi-sheep> VirusTB: All banks should be using https by default.
[23:11] <tsoporan1> cellofellow: its a hard drive ... or did you mean brand?
[23:12] <VirusTB> mobi-sheep<<  yes all banks do use it, but what about  email?  I just set my gmail to always use HTTPS .. and facebook??
[23:12] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: is it an internal drive or a USB drive? What format is it?
[23:12] <tsoporan1> cellofellow: Its a Western Digital 1TB drive, internal, EXT4
[23:12] <tsoporan1> It's been working fine until about 3 days ago.
[23:12] <ivy> how do I stop nm-applet from asking for my password every time I log in!?
[23:13] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: probably better to mount it with /etc/fstab than with the gnome volume manager.
[23:13] <ivy> it is doing my head in
[23:13] <tsoporan1> cellofellow: it is mounted by fstab
[23:13] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: oh
[23:13] <tsoporan1> cellofellow: my entry is: /dev/sdb1 /media/Secondary ext4 defaults 0 2  -- I think that is right? It's been a while.
[23:13] <mobi-sheep> VirusTB: Okay. If it is using https, then everything will be encrypted. The other side of the party have a certificate.   Any thoughts would be appreciated
[23:15] <cellofellow> Segmentation faults aren't fun.
[23:16] <VirusTB> uhm question.. does BlackBerry pin require your phone to have internet (3g) ??
[23:17] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: that's not good, though I'm not sure what that extension does mine loads it just fine.
[23:17] <Zeelot> hey guys, my pages are taking really long to resolve, this is what my network/interfaces file looks like http://pastebin.com/m6da7106a , what could be wrong?
[23:17] <Zeelot> anyone know?
[23:18] <Taim> Zeelot: you have comcast?
[23:18] <Zeelot> no
[23:18] <Zeelot> dsl here at work
[23:18] <Zeelot> not sure what it is
[23:18] <mobi-sheep> Zeelot: Could be the DNS or you have too many Firefox extensions (firefox-bugs)
[23:19] <Zeelot> I'm using chrome
[23:19] <cellofellow> DNS resolving is /etc/resolv.conf, doesn't have much to do with your interfaces.
[23:19] <tsoporan1> cellofellow: I found a fix, which worked.
[23:19] <Zeelot> ok let me check the file 1 sec
[23:19] <Maletor> is there any way to install windows 7 from Ubuntu. I want to do this because my biggest flash drive is 2gb (Windows install = 3gb) and I don't have optical drive.
[23:19] <cellofellow> tsoporan1: oh, good
[23:19] <jagjr> hi
[23:19] <mordof> looked up a wiki guide for installing fglrx.. it no longer has the info for 9.04, anyone know a link for it?
[23:19] <jagjr> does anyone speak german here?
[23:20] <cellofellow> !de
[23:20] <Zeelot> should I edit that file if it's wrong? cellofellow?
[23:20] <jagjr> not for help
[23:20] <cellofellow> Zeelot: no
[23:20] <tsoporan1> cellofellow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8353530&postcount=6 -- if you're intrested.
[23:20] <Zeelot> how should I fix it?
[23:20] <nellmathew> anyone know how to add the new "ppa:" sources using terminal/cli?
[23:20] <cellofellow> Zeelot: how is your NIC configured?
[23:20] <Zeelot> what do you mean? I'm not sure
[23:20] <mobi-sheep> nellmathew: add-apt-repository <ppa>
[23:20] <Zeelot> I never edited anything
[23:20] <nellmathew> thanks mobi-sheep!
[23:21] <cellofellow> Zeelot: do you use network manager or ifupdown?
[23:21] <jas72z> fglrx is easy to install through the terminal
[23:21] <Zeelot> whatever is used by default
[23:21] <cellofellow> Zeelot: that's network manager. So, it's a dynamic IP address?
[23:21] <Zeelot> yea it's a cheap router in the office
[23:22] <Zeelot> the dsl line is a static IP though
[23:22] <cellofellow> Zeelot: cheap router might be overloaded.
[23:22] <Zeelot> the other computers are fine
[23:22] <Zeelot> it's just this linux pc
[23:22] <cellofellow> Zeelot: what does `time host google.com` show? how slow is it really?
[23:22] <NManoogian> Is it possible to get Mac's Garageband on Ubuntu? Had tried OS x 86 but it appears that I'm out of primary partitions.
[23:22] <empemp> i have an egalax touchscreen.   but in normal mode it won't click, any ideas? it should register a click on touch and a click on release
[23:23] <cellofellow> Zeelot: how's its speed compare to just pinging your router?
[23:23] <Zeelot> real	0m1.747s
[23:23] <Maletor> Is there any way to install windows 7 from Ubuntu. I want to do this because my biggest flash drive is 2gb (Windows install = 3gb) and I don't have optical drive.
[23:24] <Zeelot> going to local pages (local dev server) it's really fast
[23:24] <Zeelot> like 10 times faster
[23:24] <cellofellow> Zeelot: is your DNS server the same box as your gateway?
[23:24] <sync3times> Zeelot, do you have primary and secondary nameservers defined?
[23:24] <Zeelot> sync3times: where?
[23:24] <rw> Maletor: check out Virtualbox
[23:24] <cellofellow> Zeelot: can you pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf?
[23:24] <sync3times> /etc/resolv.conf
[23:24] <rw> it will allow you to install Windows inside Ubuntu
[23:24] <manbra> What does section "serverlayout" do
[23:24] <Zeelot> cellofellow: yea I suppose
[23:24] <rw> don't try it on a low end pc
[23:24] <manbra> in the xorg
[23:25] <aliendude5300> Hi, I managed to break my Xorg.conf file, and I have no backup. I'm stuck in Failsafe VESA mode, and I was wondering how I can fix the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver
[23:25] <Zeelot> http://pastebin.com/m325cb208
[23:25] <Zeelot> cellofellow sync3times the nameserver is wrong I think
[23:25] <Zeelot> it should be 1.1
[23:25] <sync3times> aliendude5300,  X -configure will generate a new xorg
[23:25] <cellofellow> Zeelot: that's odd
[23:25]  * aliendude5300 tried to follow a guide on the internet to upgrade mesa to get OpenGL 2, but he broke everything... :(
[23:26] <coldman9> hello
[23:26] <empemp> i have an egalax touchscreen.   but in normal mode it won't click, any ideas? it should register a click on touch and a click on release
[23:26] <cellofellow> Zeelot: this resolv.conf file is generated by network-manager according to data it receives from the DHCP server (most likely the router).
[23:26] <Zeelot> hmm
[23:26] <aliendude5300> sync3times, http://pastebay.com/78275
[23:26] <cellofellow> Zeelot: the router seems to be misconfigured to give <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>.
[23:26] <aliendude5300> Thats the error I get when running that command
[23:26] <sync3times> Zeelot, but you can change it and the results are in realtime without rebooting
[23:26] <aliendude5300> It was run as root by the way.
[23:26] <Zeelot> alright I will try
[23:26] <Zeelot> thanks
[23:27] <mobi-sheep> cellofellow: Depends on the router. Some router are <IP_ADDRESS> -- The others are <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:27] <cellofellow> Zeelot: so what happens is your system waits for <IP_ADDRESS> to time out before going to the backup internet server.
[23:27] <Maletor> When I try to format my 250gb harddrive as NTFS i get an error: cannot spawn 'mkntfs -f /dev/sdb1': Failed to execute child process mkntfs no such file or directory
[23:27] <cellofellow> mobi-sheep: he said it should be 1.1
[23:27] <mobi-sheep> cellofellow: Oh I didn't see that.
[23:28] <sync3times> aliendude5300,  its becuase you are already running X.   can you boot up just to text mode?
[23:28] <aliendude5300> I'll try, do I have to do a full reboot, or can I kill X with Alt-SysRq-K?
[23:29] <sync3times> aliendude5300, dunno.  on fedora i would tell you to just type init 3,  but ubuntu has different runlevels
[23:29] <sryque> aliendude5300: switch runlevels and kill X
[23:29] <sync3times> which sucks by the way
[23:30] <Maletor> When I try to format my 250gb harddrive as NTFS from disk utility, I get an error: cannot spawn 'mkntfs -f /dev/sdb1': Failed to execute child process mkntfs no such file or directory
[23:30] <rw> sync3times: true
[23:30] <BluesKaj> aliendude5300, find the right driver for your ati card , then do this: http://pastebin.ca/1725422
[23:30] <sepidev> hi everybody
[23:30] <jeff1140> I need help\
[23:30] <sepidev> i have a question about perl language
[23:30] <sepidev> ?
[23:31] <sepidev> can anybody help me'
[23:31] <sync3times> sepidev, maybe
[23:31] <tafsen> Hi :) I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop and I wanted to try KDE. So I did a 'sudo apt-get install kde-desktop from my terminal. Everything went ok except that I can't connect to my wireless in kde. It works fine in gnome.  Any idea on how I can fix this? My wireless is encrypted with wpa.
[23:31] <robin__> i am having a sound issue, sounds works fine in rhythmbox and movie player, but i can not get it to work in audacious or xm player anyone know why that would be?
[23:31] <iceroot> sepidev: #perl
[23:32] <sepidev> do know about perl6, is it a scripting language like its predec... or it is going to be a compiled language
[23:32] <sync3times> sepidev, dunno
[23:32] <sepidev> thanx ...
[23:33] <iceroot> sepidev: #perl   its like python, using an interpreter
[23:34] <sepidev> i know. but there is a uncomplete version of perl that is going to change it in various aspcets.
[23:34] <sepidev> i mean version 6
[23:34] <iceroot> sepidev: #perl
[23:34] <sepidev> perl 6
[23:34] <sync3times> sepidev, what do you do with perl that you are so ... committed to it if I may ask
[23:35] <sepidev> i want to embed it in my c++ apps.
[23:35] <sync3times> sepidev,  gah
[23:35] <sync3times> ptew
[23:35] <sync3times> toooy
[23:36] <sync3times> sepidev, good luck with that
[23:36] <sepidev> it is the link for perl 6 site: http://www.perl6.org/compilers/
[23:37] <Hilikus> what kernel module do i need to be able to use a hauppauge pvr-150 IR Blaster?
[23:37] <LjL> !tv
[23:38] <sync3times> ubottu, you are such a know it all
[23:38] <sync3times> ubottu, don't call me Dave
[23:38] <sepidev> hey, by the way... i have a big problem with my ubuntu 9.10
[23:39] <sepidev> it is the ugly font rendering
[23:39] <sync3times> sepidev, you have fonts?  Cool!
[23:39] <sepidev> no,no. i mean font rendering in my ubu9.10 is ugly
[23:40] <sepidev> but is was great when i used ubu9.04
[23:40] <VirusTB> how do I install Pidign themes on Windows ??
[23:40] <sync3times> sepidev, maybe its falling back to default fonts.  Maybe you dont have the ones you need installed?
[23:40] <eboyjr> When my system gets a shutdown message (For example to shutdown in X seconds) how can Ubuntu alert me when I am logged into a GNOME session?
[23:40] <VirusTB> how do I install Pidign themes on Windows ?? <, guifications **
[23:40] <sepidev> so, what should i do?
[23:40] <Alacard> I am running Ubuntu 8.04.3 & it won't boot after full install, it's like GRUB can't point to the file system.  Any thoughts would be appreciated
[23:40] <iceroot> VirusTB: ##windows
[23:41] <sepidev> sync ..., do u know the solution?
[23:41] <somebodyelse> I configured this computer running Ubuntu to auto mount a 2nd internal hard drive.  I see in /etc/fstab that the line for the second hard drive does not have UUID= information associated with it.  I am assuming not having this information is why in the desktop gui environment I am unable to access the drive via gui (e.g. in Computer file browser).  Would specifying the UUID value make this available in gui?   If so, how can I determin
[23:41] <somebodyelse> e or find the UUID value for the particular hard drive device?
[23:42] <erUSUL> !uuid
[23:42] <sepidev> urggggg....
[23:42] <sync3times> somebodyelse, But its mounted and you can see it in the output of the mount command?
[23:43] <sepidev> hey sync... can you give me a hint about that
[23:43] <sepidev> ?
[23:44] <BlueDog> some brazilian here??
[23:44] <sync3times> sepidev, Its hard.   What application looks bad, what font are you trying to use.  If its firefox, you may not know what font its trying to use.... its a hard question to work on remotely
[23:45] <sepidev> ok ,....
[23:45] <VirusTB> how do I install Pidign themes on Windows ?? <, guifications **
[23:45] <sepidev> it is a global problem
[23:45] <sepidev> i mean all fonts look bad
[23:46] <somebodyelse> sync3times, I would like to confirm something.  `blkid` indicates a partition is ext3, but I am able to mount it successfully as ext4.  This is not my computer, but I believe the partition is ext4.  Is `blkid` simply not showing ext4 because it doesn't know or did it calculate the partition to be ext3?
[23:46] <sepidev> most particularly when i use firefox
[23:46] <sepidev> but my desktop looks bad too
[23:46] <sepidev> i changed the font, but to success
[23:47] <sync3times> somebodyelse, blkid is new for me.   I asked if your drive was mounted, and you did not answer
[23:47] <rw> sepidev:  gnome-look.org (but beware of the malware on that site)
[23:47] <sepidev> malware ...?
[23:48] <rw> yup
[23:48] <rw> read the scripts, check the deb files before installing
[23:48] <sepidev> ok
[23:48] <VirusTB> how do I install Pidign themes on Windows ?? <, guifications **
[23:48] <somebodyelse> sync3times, Yes, I can see the output of the 2nd drive from `mount`
[23:48] <rw> better yet, avoid the deb files
[23:48] <sepidev> i'll do it
[23:48] <BlueDog> some brazilian here??
[23:49] <sepidev> is there any issue with deb files?
[23:49] <rw> BlueDog: #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:49] <sync3times> somebodyelse, But it does not show up in the gui?
[23:49] <somebodyelse> sync3times, It does not show up in gui
[23:49] <ipatrol> How can I print text and graphics from a program?
[23:49] <rw> sepidevl: a few days ago it was discovered that a deb file on gnome-look containted malware for Ubuntu
[23:49] <aintaer> Guys I have a problem, when I came home today my wifi suddenly became unavailable
[23:49] <rw> loads of people were infected
[23:50] <aintaer> Network Manager says Wireless is disabled
[23:50] <somebodyelse> sync3times, http://pastebin.com/de2b0e0c /dev/sdb is 2nd hard drive
[23:50] <sepidev> oh.
[23:50] <aintaer> with no rhyme or reason why it should be, since it was just working at my workplace
[23:50] <BlueDog> [rw]: ok.. only wld like support in portuguese
[23:50] <sepidev> what if i use a virus scanner?
[23:50] <ipatrol> !print
[23:50] <sepidev> would it work?
[23:50] <rw> sepidev: I doubt it
[23:50] <aintaer> What would cause my wireless to become unavailable?
[23:51] <sync3times> somebodyelse, does anything get listed in that blkid command?
[23:51] <sepidev> so lets dismiss it
[23:51] <ipatrol> what's cups?
[23:51] <somebodyelse> sync3times, yep http://pastebin.com/d182e6b7c
[23:51] <rw> aintaer: check if the wifi switch on the laptop isn't turned off, my god I had that happen before and spend hours trying to trouble shoot
[23:51] <rw> ipatrol: printing software
[23:51] <aintaer> I did several times, rw
[23:51] <aintaer> The wifi switch is on
[23:51] <somebodyelse> hmm, maybe it is an issue with ext3/ext4
[23:51] <aintaer> I rebooted and checked the bios
[23:51] <sepidev> i've never ever dreamed of malware in linux?
[23:52] <aintaer> the bios said the wifi is enabled
[23:52] <ipatrol> rw: elaborate/link?
[23:52] <sync3times> somebodyelse, so why dont you put the UUID into fstab and see if it will mount that way
[23:52] <somebodyelse> sync3times, I did
[23:52] <rw> sepidev: it's not that hard. When you install a deb file you give it root access. If the guy who made the deb file put nasty code in it, you're screwed
[23:52] <somebodyelse> sync3times, I then unmounted and remounted it successfully and still nada
[23:52] <Ben64> i have a text file that is one line, 1000003 characters. How can I insert an <enter> every (n)th character?
[23:52] <sync3times> somebodyelse, reboot after the change?
[23:53] <rw> ipartol: google
[23:53] <somebodyelse> sync3times, O_O reboot?  Are you sure?
[23:53] <kensanata> Is there a successor to xfontsel that I should be using?
[23:53] <obiwan_> hi guys, please, could anybody type ctrl-s ls in terminal? it's supposed to run forward-i-search but it doesn't. ctrl-r works though, idk why but this happened me at any linux computer i tried
[23:53] <manbra> I am dealing with the touchpad problem with eeepc's.  I have SHM config to true, and gsynaptics installed.  The touchpad works in the prefs.  But, when I do sudo gsynaptics in terminal
[23:53] <sepidev> :(
[23:53] <manbra> ** (gsynaptics:5027): WARNING **: Using synclient
[23:53] <manbra> comes up
[23:53] <sync3times> somebodyelse, no.  But if it mounts correctly with a  mount -a   command, then you should be good to reboot.
[23:53] <ipatrol> Where is the man for python-cups?
[23:54] <manbra> any ideas what to do next?
[23:54] <shashike> hello  all!!!!
[23:54] <somebodyelse> sync3times, I meant to imply questioningly if it was necessary to reboot.  Perhaps it is just as feasible to restart X or simply log out and back into Gnome?
[23:54] <rw> sepidev: that's why it's adviced to use trusted repositories. Anything you install from synaptic, software center is trusted and checked for malware by Ubuntu itself.
[23:54] <shashike> will  norton antivirus 2009 work under wine??
[23:54] <sync3times> obiwan_, ctrl-s in a terminal is supposed to apply flow control and stop output.
[23:54] <aintaer> This is really maddening
[23:54] <aintaer> The wireless device seems to be present
[23:54] <aintaer> it loads the drivers
[23:55] <aintaer> except the interfaces are not brought up
[23:55] <obiwan_> sync3times: that's now what man bash and many webs say, but anyway it doesn't stop flow either
[23:55] <somebodyelse> sync3times, I will experiment a bit and see what I can come up with.  I will be back.  Thanks for assistance
[23:55] <sepidev> ok. hey i install some of my app from this wesite: Appnr.
[23:55] <sepidev> is it trusted or not?
[23:55] <aintaer> Also now that I look at it, there's a new vboxnet0 device that I've not seen before
[23:55] <sync3times> obiwan_, works for me
[23:56] <aintaer> oh that's just virtualbox
[23:56] <Slart> !info couchdb
[23:57] <obiwan_> sync3times: line 2969 man bash: forward-search-history (C-s)
[23:57] <obiwan_> it's supposed to do that, i'm using bash at my term
[23:57] <diskin> Ben64, something like perl -pne 's/(.{3})/\n$1/g;' file
[23:58] <obiwan_> and what do you mean with stop flow, prevent info from entering my terminal?
[23:58] <Ben64> diskin: cool
[23:58] <karma_police> quick question: is there a way to use google chrome incognito as default?
[23:58] <sync3times> obiwan_,   ctrl-s will stop the terminal from streaming output
[23:58] <karma_police> i know how to do it in windows but can't figure it out in ubuntu
[23:58] <diskin> Ben64, it leaves some unprocessed at the end, needs more debugging
[23:59] <BoriTori> is there a command line tool to watermark videos ? i need to run this on my server, so no gui.
[23:59] <sync3times> obiwan_, its a  software flow control  special character that is interpreted by the pty device driver.   The pty device driver should then put the terminal to sleep
[23:59] <Ben64> BoriTori: mencoder can do it
[23:59] <obiwan_> ok sync3times thanks, and could you tell me where i can get a man explaining such things?
[23:59] <BoriTori> Ben64: doesn't mencoder convert the video ? i want to leave the video as it is. just add watermark to it.