 @TartanSpartan [Shame AIDA64 isn't open source and thus not so available for most devices these …], Can still find the amhf version around
 But yeah...
 @TotalSonic M10 HD.
 @mateosalta Will it be compatible with the newer Android 9 devices?
 not if they are arm64
 which i think all the new ones are
 @PiecerEdd [I definitely would like to see the morph browsers tab list displaying 160 tabs], i'll screenshot when i get there then xD
 @Shakendo [is 160 the max?], maybe, maybe not :p
 lol
 @TartanSpartan [Go for as big internal storage as possible even if the device supports micro SD …], tbh i dunno if you'd want to if it did 🤔
 @TotalSonic [Fun with the Terminal - you can install screenfetch in Libertine and get a nice …], sounds a tad high to me hmmm
 @Fuseteam [sounds a tad high to me hmmm], Yup, maybe I should try a restart to see if something was filling it up in an unterminated background process
 @Shakendo [lol], i mean the last time it did crash around 160 but that was also after the qt upgrade, after i had problems with the browser :p … but being a rw'er i did a root refresh and the browser became responsive again xD … now i'm not sure if it was the number of tabs or my messing with the rootfs that caused that xP
 sounds like a perfect test case ;)
 exactly xD
 curious to see what the max is lol
 @mateosalta [do you have any info on testing nfc on the xperia x, i want to start working on …], It's not there yet, there seems to be a firmware loading issue. Will take a look at it soon.
 ah, ok
 @Fuseteam [tbh i dunno if you'd want to if it did 🤔], Why not? it's nice to take pressure off the internal storage. I was pleasantly surprised that the M10 was later reintroduced in a 32GB version; more room to breathe. Likewise, I was quite disgruntled when after flashing my older 16GB M10 to Android, I I discovered that BQ had op
[07:16] <ubptgbot> ted to prevent installing apps to the SD card.
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 @Shakendo [curious to see what the max is lol], me too lol
 @TartanSpartan [Why not? it's nice to take pressure off the internal storage. I was pleasantly s …], i mean on android i kinda get it, as system apps grow unpredictably but on ut it isn't really an issue so far
 and well sd cards are read slower than internal storage
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 Hi
 hey
 @fredldotme [Not that I know of, the HID device drivers should be in the kernel. You could se …], it looks like any keyboard I tried, connects and disconnects after a few seconds … speakers and mouse worked fine … How and where do I get the dmesg and syslog?
[12:27] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Hi, its possible to write apps for UT in java ?
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi, its possible to write apps for UT in java ?], I don't know of a Java based graphics platform that supports a mirclient backend. So you'll probably be limited to command-line apps. Which is likely not what you want.
[12:43] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @alan_griffiths [I don't know of a Java based graphics platform that supports a mirclient backend …], yeah, command-line apps is not what i want, thanks.
[12:49] <ubptgbot> R0x0bin was added by: R0x0bin
 I'm getting a vendor image checksum mismatch error
 Though downloaded the file from link mentioned in the installer
 Target device is a Redmi Note 7 (lavender)
 I'm unable to install ubuntu-touch using the installer, where can I find the instructions?
 @Javacookies [it looks like any keyboard I tried, connects and disconnects after a few seconds …], `dmesg` and `tail -f /var/log/syslog` :p
 @ajyotirmay [I'm unable to install ubuntu-touch using the installer, where can I find the ins …], uh did you try tge devel channel?
 @ajyotirmay [I'm getting a vendor image checksum mismatch error], did you unpack the archive?
 @NotKit [did you unpack the archive?], Yeah
 @Fuseteam [uh did you try tge devel channel?], Idk where it is :(
 @Fuseteam [uh did you try tge devel channel?], Oh! Got it, let me see
 lavender should have stable since OTA 15
 Is there any guide to CLI installation?
 I'm using the AppImage btw
 @ajyotirmay [Is there any guide to CLI installation?], cli is way more complicated fwiw so much no there no actual guide for it
 @NotKit [lavender should have stable since OTA 15], oh cool
 @Fuseteam [cli is way more complicated fwiw so much no there no actual guide for it], Oh okay
 @ajyotirmay [Is there any guide to CLI installation?], [Edit] cli is way more complicated fwiw so much so there no actual guide for it
 @ajyotirmay [Yeah], so you select extracted vendor.img? I tried it myself just recently also with AppImage version on Manjaro
 @NotKit [so you select extracted vendor.img? I tried it myself just recently also with Ap …], yeah
 ```Error: fastboot:format: Error: formatting failed: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot format system"},"stderr":"< waiting for any device >\nFAILED (Write to device failed (No such device))\nfastboot: error: Command failed"}```
 This is the error I'm getting
 Oh wait 😐
 check if `fastboot getvar all` works properly when device is in bootloader mode, otherwise you may need to try different port/cable/etc
 if looking for a CLI install option, you may flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/xiaomi-redmi-note-7/xiaomi-lavender/-/jobs/993639666/artifacts/browse/out/ + vendor.img + format userdata through fastboot, but images are autogenerated and not tested
 So earlier I was able to detect my device in fastboot, now it's not there. How? :/
 [Edit] if looking for a CLI install option, you may flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/xiaomi-redmi-note-7/xiaomi-lavender/-/jobs/993639666/artifacts/browse/out/ + vendor.img + format userdata through fastboot, but images are autogenerated from latest devel and not tested
 @ajyotirmay [So earlier I was able to detect my device in fastboot, now it's not there. How? …], reboot and try again, it can be flaky
 @ajyotirmay [So earlier I was able to detect my device in fastboot, now it's not there. How? …], [Edit] reboot the device and try again, it can be flaky
 ```Error: fastboot:format: Error: formatting failed: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot format system"},"stderr":"FAILED (remote: 'unknown command')\nfastboot: error: Command failed"}```
 had to manually boot my phone into fastboot and now it's not recognizing the ocmmand
 [Edit] had to manually boot my phone into fastboot and now it's not recognizing the command
[14:10] <ubptgbot> H was added by: H
 Hi
 I am trying to install ubuntu touch on my oneplus 2 using ubports
 When the app says that it is sending files to device, my phone keeps rebooting into recovery mid-process
 And the install keeps on failing
 Is this a known issue
 ?
 @ajyotirmay [Error: fastboot:format: Error: formatting failed: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd …], fastboot glitches, try again
 @H [When the app says that it is sending files to device, my phone keeps rebooting i …], it is suppose to boot into recovery during the process yes, but it shouldn't be failing
 could be cahe or wrong partitioning
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/0x0mBhjC.png And this message is displayed. But i know its not a cable issue bcz i can see my phone rebooting in the middle of the process
 I had lineage os installed
 I booted into fastboot mode
 Then started the process
 After a while it rebooted into recovery and sending files thing started
 Then while the files were being sent to my phone
 It reboots
 And sendind fails
 I have tried different cables
 Sending*
 have you tried different ports?
 Yes i have
 The issue is not with my cable
 But rather with the device
 if connection is lost is likely is.....
 Wait i will record a video of my phone
 but anyway try restoring stock android and try again from there
 also please join https://t.me/WelcomePlus we have more tips that could help you in the history there
 (Video, 33s) https://irc.ubports.com/kDtfWIn7.mp4
 Its a boot loop
 its a bootloop because it wasn't installed correctly
 I guess i now have to download stock os and flash it.
 yes and please join the welcome group
 we have had similar cases in there
 Do i need to do anything else after i flash oxygen os and before i start the process in ubports installer?
 Ok i will
 Uhh guys
 Where can i download latest oxygen os from?
 uh isn't it available on oneplus's website?
 Found it sorry
[15:47] <ubptgbot> Vincent was added by: Vincent
 Hi. I posted this on the forum but haven't had any replies yet.
 installed UT on a Google Pixel 3A using the installer and it worked fine and installed UT fine. But I ran into an issue when I tried to power down the device. It brings me to the Android recovery screen then moves into the Google screen and then finally reboots back into UT. There's no way to power down the device. … I then thought that I
[15:48] <ubptgbot>  must have messed something up so I re-flashed the device back to Android 9 and performed the task again with the same results. I did this multiple times over the weekend but I can't seem to get rid of Google remnants of the phone and also the obvious issues of never being able to power down the phone. … Has anyone else ever run into this issue? Do
[15:48] <ubptgbot> es anyone have any ideas on how to resolve it? I googled everything I could and I'm out of ideas. Thanks.
 uhhh where did you post on the forums?
 Under Support
 can you link it?
 It's only been a couple hours
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5713/google-pixel-3a-install-issue-using-the-installer
 oh i'm sure you'll get an answer, adding the link so bring some attention to it
 Thanks!
 Does it take a lot of time on "Flashing firmware"?
 No. It's fairly quick
 Should it take a lot of time?
 Hmm, so it goes smoothly till about 70%, then freezes. Can't see my device in `fastboot`. But if I disconnect my phone, installed throws an error
 it shouldn't no
 [Edit] Hmm, so it goes smoothly till about 70%, then freezes. Can't see my device in `fastboot`. But if I disconnect my phone, installer throws an error
 @ajyotirmay [Hmm, so it goes smoothly till about 70%, then freezes. Can't see my device in fa …], oh right you're installing the oneplus 2, how long did you let it sit?
 @Fuseteam [oh right you're installing the oneplus 2, how long did you let it sit?], No, I'm on lavender
 as "a lot of time" and "Fairly quick" are a bit vague to work with
 @ajyotirmay [No, I'm on lavender], uh right, sorry got :<
 @ajyotirmay [No, I'm on lavender], [Edit] uh right, sorry got it mixed up :<
 @ajyotirmay can you try to flash the files I linked manually?
 @Fuseteam [as "a lot of time" and "Fairly quick" are a bit vague to work with], I know, just that there's no feedback from the installed and it seems to get stuck (also no fastboot devices in console). However disconnecting it throws an error, which means installer is somehow connected to the device. I'm confused here
 @ajyotirmay [I know, just that there's no feedback from the installed and it seems to get stu …], i mean i think you should disconnect it yet, but it depends on long you let it sit?
 It is probably trying to fastboot flash and that gets stuck
 Maybe you can try to flash those manually so you can do it one by one at least
 We can't do much about fastboot though
 @NotKit [Maybe you can try to flash those manually so you can do it one by one at least], Which file do I flash, and on which partition?
 I've got a vendor.img
 @NotKit [if looking for a CLI install option, you may flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/co …], this
 Checking
 i mean if fastboot is not available is it maybe connected over adb?
 so vendor.img goes to vendor, system.img to system and so on
 @Fuseteam [i mean if fastboot is not available is it maybe connected over adb?], Hmm, I sure should check that as well
 @NotKit [so vendor.img goes to vendor, system.img to system and so on], dtbo to dtbo?
 @NotKit [so vendor.img goes to vendor, system.img to system and so on], The order of flash shouldn't matter, right?
 yes
 [Edit] yes for both
 Okay
 lol
 I mean, that isn't really difficult (like you said earlier :/)
 this is... shortcut
 BTW, can I use any recovery or shall I stick with Halium?
 @NotKit [this is... shortcut], I see!
 thekit pulled some strings :p
 @ajyotirmay [BTW, can I use any recovery or shall I stick with Halium?], you need UT recovery for OTA upgrades
 @NotKit [you need UT recovery for OTA upgrades], Gotcha! I'll flash that one then
 @Fuseteam [thekit pulled some strings :p], haha
 also, if you flash recovery + vendor, you can skip flashing firmware partitions, boot into recovery and continue with installer from there
 @NotKit [also, if you flash recovery + vendor, you can skip flashing firmware partitions, …], How do I skip that? Installer doesn't ask
 I thought it was an option called like bootstrap
 Oh okay, let me check
 Installer is stuck at "rebooting system" now
 Which it would never be able to do, since device isn't accessible in that sense
 Flashed recovery and vendor
 Okay, it had to be in fastboot
 Whoa! It's done 🥳
 @NotKit Thanks a lot!
 how far did you get?
 All the way through!
 System booted up perfectly
 However, few issues I faced: … Couldn't get it done from Linux (will need to try it again to confirm) … Faced some weird bug with flashing
 I have seen/heard from friends that it will 4 out of 5 times be just a little wonkey, get stuck somewhere, needs to be tried three times. And it has always worked in the end. It's just almost never completelt smooth.
 [Edit] I have seen/heard from friends that it will 4 out of 5 times be just a little wonkey, get stuck somewhere, needs to be tried three times. And it has always worked in the end. It's just almost never completely smooth.
 After I installed qualcomm drivers in Windows, it recognized fastboot every single time (just the installer freezing problem)
 I had one wonky install (took several tries), and one that was *almost* smooth as silk. Everything in between happens too. Thinking you have bricked it is common halfway through, it's almost a rite of passage. It's generally not actually bricked.
 that isn't my experience with the installer
 it may depend on the actual device
 Sending this from Ubuntu touch
 Teleports
 How do I go to home screen
 there is no homescreen
 Whoa
 you can swipe from the left edge to launch applications
 Shocker, but okay
 @Fuseteam [you can swipe from the left edge to launch applications], Yeah, just that I'd have loved to see my wallpaper
 it's different from android yeah, you can launch into any app without going back to the home screen
 @ajyotirmay [Yeah, just that I'd have loved to see my wallpaper], there's a way to do that, from an app xD
 Haha yeah
 Anyhow, how are paps developed for this?
 Yeah, every time you feel lost and have no idea what to do, try a swipe. It's strongly swipe based. From the edge, to the edge, slow or fast.
 *apps
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wy6Fw2Kp.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/R2uv2g8O.null
 @klaartje_b [Yeah, every time you feel lost and have no idea what to do, try a swipe. It's st …], *short or long
 @klaartje_b [Yeah, every time you feel lost and have no idea what to do, try a swipe. It's st …], Figured out most of it :P
 @Fuseteam [*short or long], There's that.
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], this app is made solely displaying your wallpaper xD
 @Fuseteam [this app is made solely displaying your wallpaper xD], Wow!
 I miss emojis, just Linux things
 @ajyotirmay [I miss emojis, just Linux things], emojis? you mean to input emojis?
 Yeah, on keyboard
 😍😍😍
 Found it
 try holding the globe icon on the keyboa— there ya go lol
 It's pretty cool!!!
 The entire non-android thing
 *excuse my hype*
 we hype it ourselves /o/
 @ajyotirmay [It's pretty cool!!!], It really is!
 not using Android is pretty awesome 😆
 And then there's YouTube as well 😍
 Terminal is pretty cool as well!
 terminal 101: swipes are arrow keys and taps are tabs
 Nice!
 @ajyotirmay [And then there's YouTube as well 😍], But not accelerated it will burn off charge pretty fast ^
 Haha the price for privacy :P
 Anyhow, where is the development happening?
 Found it!
 You amazing folks making ddg the default search engine!
 heh
 All of it is on Qt, right?
 pretty much
[16:59] <ubptgbot> Golden Monk was added by: Golden Monk
 Cool
[17:02] <ubptgbot> Krisudsen was added by: Krisudsen
 How does the docs translations works? There is some English content in the French landing page (https://docs.ubports.com/fr/latest/).  I wanted to translate it but it is already done there https://translate.ubports.com/translate/ubports-docs/documentation-index/fr/ 3 years ago...
 BTW, how are UBports, ubuntu-touch and lomiri related to one another?
 @Oliv4945 [How does the docs translations works? There is some English content in the Frenc …], @Flohack maybe able to help with that
 @ajyotirmay [BTW, how are UBports, ubuntu-touch and lomiri related to one another?], ubports is the community/Foundation, Ubuntu Touch is the operating system and lomiri is the "desktop" environment
 so, UT is running lomiri on phone (the same code that's for desktops)?
 yes pretty much
 lomiri isn't usable on the desktop yet tho
 @Flohack [But not accelerated it will burn off charge pretty fast ^], It says "hardware accelerated video playback" for my device
 @Fuseteam [lomiri isn't usable on the desktop yet tho], Okay
 @ajyotirmay [It says "hardware accelerated video playback" for my device], Not for videos in the browser
 @Fuseteam [lomiri isn't usable on the desktop yet tho], Hopefully I'm able to understand and participate in the code 🤞
 @ajyotirmay [Hopefully I'm able to understand and participate in the code 🤞], when i doubt just ask :3
 @fredldotme [Not for videos in the browser], I see (not a concern for my use case though)
 @Fuseteam [when i doubt just ask :3], Sure!
 tho personally i have a lot to learn myself but there are many who will be able to answer xD
 Anyhow folks, gotta make my dinner. Really excited about the software and how far it has come!
 @Fuseteam [tho personally i have a lot to learn myself but there are many who will be able …], Aye aye captain 🏴☠
 oho~ i'm but a lacky mate!
 😂 :P
 I'll excuse myself now, have a good day y'all
[17:27] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> hi guys, … I am running ubuntu touch on mido (redmi note 4) using alpha 1 image which is based on halium 7.  … Can I run apt upgrade to get latest version of ubuntu touch?
 apt upgrade is not used in ubuntu touch to upgrade
 UT uses an image based system, sadly mido has not reach that state yet
 [Edit] UT uses an image based system, sadly mido has not reached a point to get updates yet
 it also appears to lack a maintainer based on the list at devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 if you wish you could help finish the port, maybe?
[17:31] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> @Fuseteam [it also appears to lack a maintainer based on the list at devices.ubuntu-touch.i …], I would like to support this device. I am a newbie to UT development.
 @Golden Monk [I would like to support this device. I am a newbie to UT development.], i suppose you could join https://t.me/ubports_porting to find resources you need to help with that
[17:33] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> @Fuseteam [i suppose you could join https://t.me/ubports_porting to find resources you need …], Thanks. Do I need to ceate a halium 9 image first?
 @Golden Monk [Thanks. Do I need to ceate a halium 9 image first?], i think you can find that out in that groups history, all i can say is good luck :)
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> @Fuseteam [i think you can find that out in that groups history, all i can say is good luck …], thanks
 @Oliv4945 [How does the docs translations works? There is some English content in the Frenc …], Please check the files in ubports/docs.ubports.com on Github, if the translation is missing there. Could be a merge error. Its in the locale subdir I think
 Github seems fine, there is the French translation: https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/blob/master/locales/fr/LC_MESSAGES/index.po#L48
 That pofile hasn't been updated from the pot
 https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/blob/master/locales/pot/index.pot#L78
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[19:51] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Hii ...will there be an official gsi release....
 @Oliv4945 [Github seems fine, there is the French translation: https://github.com/ubports/d …], Please try again now...
 @Mathew Dennis [Hii ...will there be an official gsi release....], Hi. What is your device?
 I don't think there are plans for that yet
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Redmi note 3.
 I don't think that supports Treble?
 @NotKit [I don't think that supports Treble?], it shipped with android 5 it seems
[20:05] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> There is a vendor image for it... And  gsi s work...but erfans gsis dont.... His port of ubuntu touch gsi also dont work...
 you probably need to port for that device and debug it
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Is there any way to fix that
 @Mathew Dennis [There is a vendor image for it... And  gsi s work...but erfans gsis dont.... His …], erfan'd gsi is based on android 9
 @Mathew Dennis [There is a vendor image for it... And  gsi s work...but erfans gsis dont.... His …], [Edit] erfan'd gsi is based on android 9 and treble
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Ys the vendor image is based on 8m1
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> 8.1
 you can reallistically compile Halium 7 or 9 for that, just do not bother with GSIs
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @NotKit [you probably need to port for that device and debug it], I cant seem to find a noobs guide for porting...
 docs.ubports.com/porting isn't noob friendly?
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @Mathew Dennis [8.1], Is it possible to convert this 9 vendor
 https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/ + https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/index.html
 there are parts that obsolete, but we have Porting channels that usually answer lot of questions
[20:11] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @Fuseteam [docs.ubports.com/porting isn't noob friendly?], I follow it for abit and dropped off after a while..
[20:12] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @NotKit [there are parts that obsolete, but we have Porting channels that usually answer …], Ok i will try again...
 @Mathew Dennis [I follow it for abit and dropped off after a while..], if you get stuck that means it needs to be improved, and we'll need your feedback on what is unclear or what hurdles you encountered
 for port specific questions we have @halium and @ubports_porting
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> I watched the live porting video
 [Edit] for specific questions surrounding porting we have @halium and @ubports_porting
 @Mathew Dennis [I watched the live porting video], Unfortunately a bit outdated already
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Will there be a new one .with a bit more detail.thanks.
 honestly I don't even know how you can make a useful porting video
 @Mathew Dennis [Will there be a new one .with a bit more detail.thanks.], but what details are unclear?
 i honestly wonder if github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com is a possible place to keep track of questions about details in the docs 🤔
 @Flohack [Please try again now...], The translation disappeared from Github 🤔
 @Fuseteam [i mean on android i kinda get it, as system apps grow unpredictably but on ut it …], A few apps are quite sizeable. And this may be a slightly different issue, but just the way UT makes file copies for the content hub can be exasperating at times. It would be nice to get fine-grained control of where apps and files get wr
[20:19] <ubptgbot> itten but this is probably a ways off.
 @Oliv4945 [The translation disappeared from Github 🤔], I unblocked a conflict and pushed latest changes I had.
 @Fuseteam [tbh i dunno if you'd want to if it did 🤔], [Edit] Why not? It's nice to take pressure off the internal storage. I was pleasantly surprised that the M10 was later reintroduced in a 32GB version; more room to breathe. Likewise, I was quite disgruntled when after flashing my older 16GB M10 to Android, I I discovered that BQ
[20:20] <ubptgbot>  had opted to prevent installing apps to the SD card.
[20:20] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> How much data will i need..for the downlods...
 around 50 GB is a safe bet
 @TartanSpartan [A few apps are quite sizeable. And this may be a slightly different issue, but j …], but where content hub copies files is separate from where apps are installed..........
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @NotKit [around 50 GB is a safe bet], Oke..i will be back..
 @Fuseteam [but where content hub copies files is separate from where apps are installed.... …], they are both on `/data` so it doesn't matter
 @dohbee [they are both on /data so it doesn't matter], yes but the argument is in favor on moving the install location of applications
 @dohbee [they are both on /data so it doesn't matter], [Edit] yes but the argument is in favor of a feature of moving the install location of applications
 what argument?
 all Seumas said was that he wishes that UT utilized SD cards better when they exist
 @dohbee [they are both on /data so it doesn't matter], [Edit] yes but his argument is supposed to be in favor of a feature of moving the install location of applications to external storage
 which is fine. the way external storage works is a bit weird. and the way content-hub works also compounds that weirdness
 Not quite @Fuseteam I granted that installing apps is different from content hub's copying behaviour.
 @dohbee [all Seumas said was that he wishes that UT utilized SD cards better when they ex …], specifically about install apps into the sd card rather than internal
 @TartanSpartan [Not quite @Fuseteam I granted that installing apps is different from content hub …], eh?
 And glad @dohbee is on board.
 Check how I said "And this may be a slightly different issue..."
 @TartanSpartan [Check how I said "And this may be a slightly different issue..."], hmm fair enough
 @Fuseteam [eh?], he said he was disgruntled that the BQ version of android on the M10 prevented installing apps to the SD card
 while generally, i think Android allows them to be installed there
 I didn't say it was the same thing, just that both are aided by a fix of allowing more granular control over storage (that's a very broad umbrella fix granted).
 however, UT never has had app install on SD card (though, it very well could allow it, given the way click works)
 @dohbee [he said he was disgruntled that the BQ version of android on the M10 prevented i …], that's what i thought we were talking about yes
 but installing apps there won't do anything about the data they create under `$HOME`
 right
 @dohbee [while generally, i think Android allows them to be installed there], Indeed. But another issue with that is my little burner Android seems to forget you indicating a preference for external storage and nearly chokes every time you update. And chokes in general because it seems even pulling up the OSK strains it's tiny memor
[20:35] <ubptgbot> y. But I digress.
 @dohbee [but installing apps there won't do anything about the data they create under $HO …], and generally that's the data that actually grow iiuc
 @dohbee [but installing apps there won't do anything about the data they create under $HO …], [Edit] and generally that's the data that actually grows iiuc
 too many big things going on right now, but in practice it really wouldn't be too hard to allow apps to be installed to SD card
 @dohbee [while generally, i think Android allows them to be installed there], [Edit] Indeed. But another issue with that is my little burner Android seems to forget you indicating a preference for external storage and nearly chokes every time you update, sometimes forcing you to manually move them under system settings. And chokes i
[20:36] <ubptgbot> n general because it seems even pulling up the OSK strains it's tiny memory. But I digress.
 guess tis something that we could save for after the 20.04 migration
 or someone else could work on it
 Right, and if a click app generated a big cache like Thunderbird does (Dekko does pretty much the same way IINM) it's better to write that to an SD card. Same with torrent files.
 click's code is generally pretty straightforward, and it's vala and python
 if that someone knows what to do yeah
 hence the generally pretty straightforward part
 Anything important is in the Vala, you probably won't need to touch the Python at all
 what would need to be done? :p
 The Python shouldn't exist any more
 @UniversalSuperBox [Anything important is in the Vala, you probably won't need to touch the Python a …], oh my
 well the python is where all the unit tests are
 where is this vala btw?
 The lib folder, I think
 but for someone that can understand C# or C-like syntax well enough already, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out what's going on in click
 also should seumas file a feature request somewhere?
 probably
 @dohbee [but for someone that can understand C# or C-like syntax well enough already, it …], oh interesting
 another "easy" thing that can be done, is extending the list of writable locations for apps to store config/cache/data, so they can write to their own directories on SD card or in their own subdirectories of Documents/Downloads/etc… dirs
 @Fuseteam [also should seumas file a feature request somewhere?], Not 100% certain but I believe I may have way way back.
 @Fuseteam [also should seumas file a feature request somewhere?], [Edit] Not 100% certain but I believe I may have way way back. Or someone else did.
 I'll fact check that soon though.
 [Edit] I'll fact check that soon though. And file it if not.
 @TartanSpartan [I'll fact check that soon though. And file it if not.], cool!
 @dohbee [another "easy" thing that can be done, is extending the list of writable locatio …], that's also in vala?
 @Fuseteam [that's also in vala?], no, just apparmor rules in `apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu` would be needed
 oh hmmm
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 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], yeah, I was the same way - especially since there was over a month when there were zero updates on the tracking sites between the handoff from DHL to USPS.
 I don't know why CANUSA border agencies need many weeks to pass a smartphone- just how many tests do they wish to run? Also, I believe in charging the device before you first use it to enhance battery life (maybe someone will offer different wisdom but eh), so customs playing with them first isn't the greatest.


[12:27] <maddash> tonyyarusso: try 8.28...that's the one available in the debian repo....
[12:27] <LjL> perhaps move to -offtopic or -xgl hm?
[12:27] <maddash> tonyyarusso: it's supposedly more stable
[12:27] <DBO> LjL, and actually use the proper channel? =P
[12:27] <tonyyarusso> DBO: I've tried both.  'ati' atm, although I hear that might be an alias for radeon now...
[12:27] <LjL> yeah that would be the idea :P
[12:28] <DBO> tonyyarusso, it is yes, move over to offtopic and I will support you =)
[12:28] <tonyyarusso> DBO: Sure
[12:28] <tonyyarusso> (As IF I'm not already in offtopic)
[12:28] <DBO> also, just to make ljl happy
[12:28] <DBO> spam spam spam spam spam
[12:29] <tonyyarusso> (Ever been to the museum?)
[12:32] <LjL> DBO: actually it was mc44's suggestion originally, and since this channel is public, you're giving a bad PR image. /me slaps you :P
[12:33] <mc44> LjL: dont blame me!
[12:33] <Seeker``> where are the ops from?
[12:34] <LjL> wonderland
[12:34] <mc44> neverland
[12:34] <Seeker``> wow
[12:34] <mc44> ranch
[12:34] <LjL> mc44: i was *praising* you, there is a difference. then if people see it as blame, hey, not my fault for sure :P
[12:34] <Seeker``> 2nd star to the right, straight on till morning?
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> Seeker``: all over, really.  You could check our wiki pages :)
[12:35] <LjL> not sure mine mentions anything...
[12:35] <LjL> unless it's been changed again
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Yeah, well your page is unspeakably lame ;)
[12:36] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i didn't write it
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> exactly
[12:43] <LjL> tonyyarusso: here, it's worse now. or better. or the objective man would just says it takes up more bytes.
[12:47] <mc44> LjL: AutoDeb? oooh thats nasty
[12:47] <LjL> quite
[12:47] <LjL> fortunately i don't think anyone uses it
[12:48] <LjL> i don't use it at any rate, i care for my system :)
[12:49] <LjL> hahah i didn't see that a new "known problem" had been added... "The script uses sh when it really needs Bash ( on Edgy, sh != bash )" <- booo to me


[06:53] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[06:58] <dholbach> davidcalle, yo yo yo
[06:59] <dholbach> I didn't play around with staging too much yet
[06:59] <dholbach> and haven't figured out the hero tour
[06:59] <dholbach> I'm still going through the examples and making sure that stuff works or almost works with the new snapd/series 16
[07:02] <davidcalle> Yep, btw, youtube-dl works for me
[07:03] <dholbach> built from the newest trunk with the newest snapd and snapcraft?
[07:03] <davidcalle> A fresh build worked yesterday morning, but let me update and try again
[07:03] <davidcalle> *evening
[07:04] <dholbach> thanks
[07:05] <dholbach> oh, and install squid-deb-proxy{,-client} before :)
[07:06] <davidcalle> Oh no wait, I haven't tried a fresh build actually, I just took dpm's word
[07:07] <dholbach> big mistake :-P
[07:07] <davidcalle> dholbach: how do you start webdm? I used to do it with snappy service webdm start
[07:07] <dholbach> I have no idea
[07:30] <davidcalle> dholbach: do you still have ubuntu-core-config installed?
[07:30] <dholbach> I managed to fix a number of issues in lp:snappy-playpen, unfortunately this didn't give us more working snaps
[07:30] <dholbach> davidcalle, yes... should I delete it? :)
[07:30] <davidcalle> No, just checking if I should :)
[07:31] <dholbach> You should not need to
[07:31] <dholbach>  install this package manually.
[07:31] <dholbach> Not sure what that's supposed to mean... :)
[07:33] <davidcalle> :)
[08:04] <davidcalle> dholbach: youtube-dl works perfectly for me :)
[08:05] <dholbach> ok... maybe you can follow up on the bug report then?
[08:12] <davidcalle> ok
[09:25] <dholbach> davidcalle, the caching on staging (or whatever it is) is driving me nuts
[09:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, I feel your pain!
[09:29] <davidcalle> dholbach, will you mind if I wipe the staging db later today? (around 15)
[09:30] <dholbach> no, not at all
[09:30] <dholbach> I should be done with my tests before
[09:30] <davidcalle> ok
[09:30] <dholbach> during the import:
[09:30] <dholbach> 502 Bad Gateway
[09:30] <dholbach> The server returned an invalid or incomplete response.
[09:30] <dholbach> do we have a way to access logs?
[09:30] <dholbach> or do we need to ask IS/webops?
[09:30] <dholbach> it's a bit hard to debug without logs
[09:31] <davidcalle> we have, I'll send them to you in 2 min
[09:32] <dholbach> <3
[09:39] <davidcalle> dholbach: any specific log file?
[09:39] <davidcalle> import_md.log is empty
[09:39] <dholbach> sure, that's probably only used for the management command
[09:39] <dholbach> is there a log of the main thread?
[09:43] <davidcalle> https://pastebin.canonical.com/154786/
[09:44] <dholbach> gracias
[09:44] <dholbach> did you find the log?
[09:44] <davidcalle> https://pastebin.canonical.com/154788/
[09:45] <davidcalle> dholbach: lol -> https://pastebin.canonical.com/154789/
[09:46] <davidcalle> dholbach: I need to run, I'll add the dep as soon as I'm back. python-yaml? python3-yaml?
[09:47] <davidcalle> (not doing it now as it needs a redeploy)
[09:47] <dholbach> I don't even know where that's coming from
[09:47] <davidcalle> dholbach: the generate command
[09:47] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:48] <dholbach> python3
[09:48] <davidcalle> ok
[09:48]  * davidcalle runs, bbiab
[09:48] <dholbach> sorry about that
[09:48] <dholbach> thanks davidcalle
[09:49] <dholbach> I guess it's this:
[09:49] <dholbach> 2016-04-20 09:31:16 [17467] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:17479)
[09:49] <dholbach> 2016-04-20 09:31:16 [17467] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:17479)
[09:49] <dholbach> 2016-04-20 09:31:16 [30091] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 30091
[09:49] <dholbach> can we define what a suitable worker timeout is?
[09:50] <dholbach> ok... maybe the issue here is that I'm using the admin interface
[09:50] <dholbach> and that it's going to work if we wait for the cronjob
[09:50] <dholbach> in that case we should increase the frequency
[09:50] <dholbach> and maybe go for hourly?
[09:50] <dholbach> or something
[09:50] <dholbach> let's discuss later on
[09:51] <dholbach> I'm going to meet somebody for lunch later on, so will take a longer break, but will let you know once I'm back
[12:43] <davidcalle> dholbach: back o/
[12:45] <davidcalle> dholbach: about to redeploy for the new dep... any objection?
[12:46]  * davidcalle presses button
[13:44] <dholbach> davidcalle, no, please go ahead
[13:49] <davidcalle> :)
[13:50] <dholbach> davidcalle, what do you think about what I said earlier?
[13:52] <davidcalle> dholbach: how would that solve the timeout issue, more trials per day => more chances for it to pass?
[13:52] <dholbach> no
[13:52] <dholbach> it's a different process
[13:53] <dholbach> I believe that "[CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT" is a wsgi or whatever else requirement
[13:53] <dholbach> if a slightly related, but also unrelated cronjob times out that's something separate
[13:53] <dholbach> or maybe I'm wrong, I don't know
[13:54] <dholbach> mhall119's api importer takes MUCH longer to complete
[13:54] <dholbach> and it's also a cronjob
[13:54] <dholbach> not sure if I explained myself well
[13:54] <davidcalle> dholbach: I see your point about workers, but not whywe should change the cronjob (I'm not against it, though)
[13:55] <dholbach> davidcalle, using the worker through the admin interface makes no sense right no
[13:55] <dholbach> it times out and gets killed
[13:55] <davidcalle> yep
[13:55] <dholbach> this provides no easy way to test
[13:55] <dholbach> and having to wait 1 day to see results is not really practical
[13:55] <davidcalle> Oh right, for testing pruposes, gotcha
[13:55] <davidcalle> purposes*
[13:55] <dholbach> and to make sure that stuff works
[13:56] <dholbach> in normal conditions when everything works, daily is good enough for me :)
[13:57] <davidcalle> dholbach: if you make a branch running it every 30min, I can plug that in :) (currently fighting with the db dump :/, asking IS for help)
[13:57] <dholbach> shit :-/
[13:57] <dholbach> I can't believe there's no easy way to do this
[13:57] <dholbach> how are the other teams dealing with staging/prod data?
[13:59] <davidcalle> dholbach: maybe you would know? What I'm doing is dropping the db, creating it, and "psql devportal-app < dbfile", it loads fine until http://paste.ubuntu.com/15948848/
[13:59] <dholbach> maybe we can ask the U1 guys?
[13:59] <dholbach> they must have experience with this
[14:00] <davidcalle> dholbach: lol, deployment done, it worked
[14:01] <davidcalle> dholbach: somehow, after 45min of fighting, the new db is in
[14:01] <dholbach> wow
[14:01]  * davidcalle stops touching with postgre
[14:01] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/hourly-md-imports/+merge/292384
[14:01] <davidcalle> touch postgre*
[14:02] <dholbach> there must be a way to exclude certain tables from a pg dump
[14:03] <dholbach> I remember I wrote a very hacky script to exclude certain bits from a pg dump ages ago, but I could imagine that somebody did a clean job of this somewhere
[14:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: yeah, there must be one :) Sooo... Testing a few things related to the db and pushing your branch
[14:04] <davidcalle> (pushing on staging)
[14:16] <dholbach> thanks!
[14:48] <davidcalle> dholbach: mhall119 db corruption fixed on staging \o/
[14:48] <davidcalle> dpm: ^
[14:49] <dholbach> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:49] <dholbach> __   _______ ____  _
[14:49] <dholbach> \ \ / / ____/ ___|| |
[14:49] <dholbach>  \ V /|  _| \___ \| |
[14:49] <dholbach>   | | | |___ ___) |_|
[14:49] <dholbach>   |_| |_____|____/(_)
[14:49] <dholbach>
[14:51] <dpm> oh wow, NICE WORK davidcalle and dholbach!
[14:51] <dholbach> ship it
[14:53] <davidcalle> dholbach: branch pushing in progress
[14:54]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[15:17] <davidcalle> dholbach: pushed. You need to re-add import directives, though.
[15:19] <dholbach> awesome
[15:40] <dholbach> davidcalle, I added snappy and snapcraft docs to staging
[15:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, was python3-yaml added?
[16:01] <davidcalle> dholbach: yep
[16:01] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok... I'll take a look at it tomorrow
[16:02] <dholbach> let's see if the main imports work later on
[16:02] <dholbach> I need to run after this call
[16:27] <davidcalle> dpm: I need further confirmation from daniel, but it looks like the importer is working
[16:28] <dpm> nice!
[16:28] <davidcalle> Have a nice eod dpm o/
[16:28] <dpm> you too!


[11:51] <mamarley> Looks like they just uploaded OpenSSL 3 to Jammy.  Just as a heads-up, Qt will need a patch something along the lines of https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2210637 to make it fully compatible.  It will compile without that, but certain things (what I noticed was server certificate verification in Quassel) will not work.
[12:19] <RikMills> mamarley: forwarded to #ubuntu-qt
[12:24] <mamarley> Thanks :)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[17:11] <RikMills> daily ISO is now using the Firefox snap for the time being to test how that goes
[20:39] <valorie> FF seems pretty crap lately
[20:46] <mamarley> It has been working OK for me.  (I use the packages from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+packages.)
[21:29] <valorie> maybe I should try that
[21:30] <valorie> or the snap? I think I have most snap stuff off this computer -- but I wonder if it will return when I finally upgrade
[21:33] <genii> hm
[21:33] <genii> So now both Chromium and Firefox apt packages install the snap versions?
[21:41] <RikMills> genii: not yet, but sometime during this cycle
[21:41] <genii> ok
[23:56]  * mamarley doesn't have snapd installed in his PCs and doesn't plan to install it unless he has to.


[01:26] <mr_steve> heh I just accidently fork-bombed my own computer. Maybe I should *learn* bash scripting before I try to *use* bash scripting
[01:30] <kermit> no, thats the way to learn.  you'll remember better.
[01:35] <mr_steve> true enough. heh, that was the first time my netbook has ever touched it's swap partition. Used 1.3GB of RAM with 5 lines of shell script.
[04:05] <Takyoji> Anyone know of a reasonable Wordpress theme framework or a basic theme to work from?
[04:30] <h00k> Takyoji: there are a ton of them
[04:32] <Takyoji> I mean; anything in specific though?
[04:34] <h00k> Not really, you could go off the basic theme and expand/change from there
[04:35] <jenkinbr> weee
[04:35] <jenkinbr> ssl
[04:35] <jenkinbr> xD
[04:35] <Takyoji> alright
[04:35] <h00k> I'm unnecessarily using SSL/SASL
[04:36] <Takyoji> So apparently Freenode doesn't have SSL support, or is it just at a different port?
[04:36] <mr_steve> Takyoji: SSL got broken
[04:36] <h00k> Sure it does!
[04:36] <Takyoji> or TLS, to be more accurate
[04:36] <mr_steve> They're trying to fix it yet, something got screwed when they migrated to their new IRCd
[04:36] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:40] <mr_steve> actually I might be lying, I was in hurry when I read the gnotices about it. The final word is here: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[06:12] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Are we having a LoCo meeting on Monday?


[00:48] <xubuntu682> Does anyone have experience installing a CANON laser printer CUPS driver on lubuntu v 14.04?
[01:03] <wxl> xubuntu682: it should be the same for every other *buntu afaik, so you might want to try #ubuntu
[11:43] <noobboob> Should a backup strategy always involve local and cloud storage?
[11:49] <hateball> Depends what your SLA is
[11:49] <hateball> My own backup strategy involves no backups at all
[11:49] <noobboob> SLA? (service level agreement)
[11:50] <hateball> yes
[11:50] <noobboob> that's mine at the moment too hateball
[11:50] <noobboob> it's the best way
[11:50] <hateball> I mean, it's highly dependent on what you need/want :)
[11:50] <noobboob> no stress of worrying if you can recover or not. You have an instant answer. No you can't it's gone forever
[11:51] <noobboob> I'm talking about how sensible people who always preach proper backups do it.
[11:51] <noobboob> when they say "Proper backups" wtf do they mean.
[11:52] <hateball> :D
[11:52] <hateball> well some sort of offsite or detached backup is a good start
[11:52] <hateball> are you backing up a datacenter or just your own family photos?
[11:53] <noobboob> I like your line of thinking.
[11:54] <hateball> if you just have some personal data to backup, do that to some removable media that you keep removed while not backing up
[11:54] <noobboob> backing up files for the house hold about 5 of us on various devices
[11:54] <hateball> for that purpose you could set up a server/nas running Nextcloud or something
[11:55] <noobboob> so i use office 365
[11:55] <hateball> that's got storage you could backup to I guess. just like I myself do to google
[11:55] <noobboob> I originally was going to have a nas and back it up/sync it with that but someone told me i could just keep it all on 365 and don't need to do anything else.
[11:56] <noobboob> that didn't seem right to me.
[11:56] <hateball> sure, it all depends how much trust you are willing to put into things
[11:56] <hateball> I rsync my machine to a removable drive now and then, but primarily my data is in my google account
[11:56] <hateball> it's all about tradeoff
[11:58] <noobboob> tradeoff? what between doing something and nothing?
[11:58] <RogerPeartree> Hello people can someone please tell me what's the Live Session username and password for Lubuntu Next (build 2017-12-27 from daily images bionic-desktop-amd64.iso? I've tried the Internet answer which is Lubuntu/(blank password and a dozen other option but nothing works many thanks in advance
[11:59] <noobboob> try admin and blank
[11:59] <noobboob> you no blank you just don't type anything right.
[11:59] <noobboob> know*
[12:00] <RogerPeartree> ok I'll try that many thanks noobboob
[12:01] <hateball> noobboob: yes, I mean you could run ZFS and snapshot your filesystem every 10 minutes, or you could be happy by syncing some stuff daily, etc
[12:13] <noobboob> yeah so i've heard of this snap shot thing. how does that work accross multiple devices? Does that eat up tons of storage?
[12:14] <noobboob> I guess like snapshots everyhour kind of does the job it means you would never have to do more than an hours work to recover.
[22:06] <jk^> hi all
[22:07] <jk^> i have to download and install "RAR". Have i to install it by lubuntu software center or by packages manager? :\
[22:13] <genii> rar is a compression format, like for instance, zip. Anything could be inside once you uncompress it. If it's something you are supposed to install it would not likely be something you can open with software center or a package manager, it would likely have it's own instructions inside with a README file or something similar.
[22:53] <jk^> genii, i don't undestand very well, but my problem is that i can't extract .rar files. If i remember well, there are - unrar - unrar-free and rar which make me able to extract .rar files
[22:53] <jk^> unrar and unrar free maybe let me just extract
[22:54] <jk^> unrar-free supports only old formats
[22:54] <jk^> old .rar files versions
[22:54] <jk^> rar let me extract and create...
[22:54] <jk^> correct me if i said something wrong
[22:57] <genii> If you want to install unrar, enable multiverse repository in package manager, you should be able to install it after that.
[23:26] <jk^> genii, unrar is just to extract, i need also add/remove files to various archives
[23:33] <jk^> i think i need rar because it let me both create archives, add/remove files to an archive and extract files from archives
[23:33] <jk^> unrar doesn't let me do all these things
[23:33] <jk^> genii,


[00:11] <faint545> http://i51.tinypic.com/2qwzaf8.jpg -- how woould i modify the current theme so that the white area matches with the background?
[00:54] <stlsaint> faint545: try posting to the mailing list
[10:57] <Pip_> oneiric alpha 3 hangs after starting bluetooth at boot, any ideas anyone?
[13:41] <gnuvince> Is it possible to tell bash to ignore the global bashrc file and consider only my own?
[16:22] <speckmade> I had this computer here running fine on the native resolution of the TFT monitor that is connected to it (that is 1280*1024) - but now it suddenly recognises the screen as being only capable of up to 856*600 or 800*600. Where does that come from?.. o.O
[16:31] <itsmeagain> hello! could someone please tell me how to increase audacious or alsa priority? I installed Lubuntu on an old computer and audacious's audio playback works well only if I run it through nice -10 audacious2. I need to make this permanent. Is there a way to make audio and/or video priority higher?
[16:34] <phillw> !nice
[16:37] <itsmeagain> phillw, Yes, I know about nice. But I was wondering if there is a way to automate this for a non-root account. I want to make audacious start with a nice lvl of -10 without asking for password. It's for my mom, so she doesn't have to enter a password every time she wants to listen to audio without hiccups.
[16:39] <phillw> itsmeagain: maybe a start up script? - let me go have a dig whilst the devs are sleeping in their dungeon... speckmade I'll have a look for you on resolution, I *think* we may have to revert to good old x-config if your monitor is not being detected.
[16:46] <phillw> itsmeagain: I've asked the 'gods' about it, we are held in queue :)
[16:46] <jmarsden> itsmeagain: I'd set up your/her shortcut to run sudo nice -10 audacious   and then edit /etc/sudoers to allow her user to run that command with no password
[16:49] <itsmeagain> phillw, jmarsden thanks! I will try that!
[16:51] <phillw> jmarsden: do you want ibu in to explain (17:45:29) phillw: hiyas ibuclaw, is there a way to invoke nice for a program on boot up, instead of having to manually set it each time?
[16:51] <phillw> (17:49:16) ibuclaw: phillw, /etc/init
[16:51] <phillw> (17:50:12) ibuclaw: /etc/rc.local is called when switching to runlevel 2,3,4,5
[16:51] <phillw> or are you in your comfort zone?
[16:52] <jmarsden> phillw: I'm comfortable scripting that, but it sounds like itsmeagain has the idea and is off trying it right now anyway :)
[16:53] <jmarsden> Why "on boot up"?  I though it was "when the program is started" not "has to autostart at boot" ??
[16:53] <phillw> jmarsden: cheers, as it was an issue I know little of, I saught help....
[16:54] <phillw> jmarsden: while you are here, could you also have a look at speckmade: I had this computer here running fine on the native resolution of the TFT monitor that is connected to it (that is 1280*1024) - but now it suddenly recognises the screen as being only capable of up to 856*600 or 800*600. Where does that come from?.. o.O
[16:54] <phillw> I'm just moving our little dragon to a new home :)
[16:55] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, phillw this solution is just fine! although, I initially wanted to increase all audio/video priority, but I think that would be harder. Would a real time audio configuration as for -rt kernels help? or is it better using nice?
[16:55] <phillw> itsmeagain: myth have a tuned kernel
[16:56] <speckmade> phillw: you know - it was detected at first - everything fine then!.. :-/
[16:56] <jmarsden> itsmeagain: That depends partly on what the problem with your audio is (or was)... Using rt is preferable if it helps out on your machine, because then it is in place for all audio not just for one program (audacious).
[16:56] <jmarsden> speckmade: What changed between when it worked OK, and now?
[16:57] <jmarsden> Ah... wife says breakfast is ready... I'll be back later once I have eaten :)
[16:57] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, exactly. well, being a 766Mhz 640Mb Ram old thing, browsing chrome would make audio suffer. could this be fixed globally by rt?
[16:58] <itsmeagain> ps i don't care if my mom waits for an hour to load her homepage as long as the background music doesn't suffer.
[17:14] <jmarsden> itsmeagain: I'd say RT it is worth trying, but no guarantees how well it will work for you.  Try it and see.
[17:15] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, thanks. I will.
[17:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> itsmeagain, IAmNotThatGuy :D
[17:17] <jmarsden> I was thinking of doing /nick IAmTheOtherGuy  :)
[17:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol :P
[17:51] <hosoka_> hello, is there anyone who can advise me how to play streaming media via Chromium using the Gnome Mplayer ?
[17:53] <Pisagor> hello
[17:53] <Pisagor> when i try to open some link in folder (for instance, when i click on browse c: drive on wine menu) my lubuntu doesn't really open it in a file browser like pcman or nautilus. It does open it in web browser
[18:08] <jmarsden> Pisagor: Which version of Lubuntu are you running?  This is a bug in one of the xdg utilities that has been fixed recently, I think.
[18:09] <Pisagor> i think i am using the recent version
[18:09] <Pisagor> i am not sure, i have downloaded it aproximately 1 month before
[18:10] <jmarsden> Pisagor: Open a terminal, and tell me what     lsb_release -d    outputs
[18:10] <Pisagor> ubuntu 11.04
[18:11] <Pisagor> it says
[18:11] <jmarsden> OK, fine.
[18:11] <Pisagor> am i hopeless ?
[18:11] <jmarsden> Can you cause the problem without using Wine?  (I am running Lubuntu in a virtual machine and do not want to install wine to test it)
[18:11] <Pisagor> how can i test the same problem without using Wine ?
[18:12] <jmarsden> No, first I need to duplicate the problem, then I can hopefully find a way to fix it for you...
[18:12] <jmarsden> Well, if you open folders in pcmanfm do they always open OK?
[18:12] <Pisagor> yes they do
[18:12] <jmarsden> ah.  If this is Wine-specific, it is not the problem I was thinking of.
[18:12] <Pisagor> when i start browsing in my hdd with pcmanfm or nautilus - it never leads to somewhere wrong
[18:13] <jmarsden> OK.  I suggest you open a bug report in Launchpad and describe exactly how to duplicate the problem, step by step.  Then hopefully someone (maybe even me) can look at it.
[18:14] <Pisagor> okay
[18:53] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, could you please tell me why audacious2 works at high priority if I run "sudo nice -10 audacious2" from a terminal, but works the same crappy way if I changed the shortcut to run the same command.
[18:54] <jmarsden> itsmeagain: I'm not sure... if you run it from the .desktop file and then use top to look at the process, is it actually running with the raised priority you expect?
[18:57] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, if ran from .desktop it has 20 in top, while if ran from terminal it has 30.
[18:58] <jmarsden> So it didn't really do the nice -10, it seems.  Are you sure you are running it from the changed .desktop file and that you changed the right part of the .desktop file??
[19:00] <itsmeagain> /usr/share/applications/audacious.desktop   and changed the Exec= part
[19:03] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, oh, sorry, the values were jumping around. both times they are 30, BUT when ran from .desktop it breaks audio if I do anything else. When ran from lxterminal, it keeps playing flawlessly no matter what I do.
[19:06] <jmarsden> That doesn't seem to make sense, but OK... time to try using an RT kernel instead, perhaps :)  I can help increase audacious priority... seems like that is working... why it sometimes stutters your audio is a different thing :)
[19:08] <itsmeagain> I just don't get why when ran from terminal, leaving the terminal window open, it works perfectly.
[19:16] <stlsaint> jmarsden: fail again on lubuntu A3
[19:17] <stlsaint> jmarsden: had to redownload for third time, am trying now
[19:18] <jmarsden> itsmeagain: I can't explain what you are seeing, but you are running in a different environment when running from shell as opposed to a .desktop file.  from the shell you have already run your .bashrc and so on, so tyour set of environment variables is different, for instance.
[19:18] <jmarsden> itsmeagain: WHy that matters to audacious2 is... a different question.
[19:19] <jmarsden> stlsaint: It "just works" here for me.  Did you verify the md5sum of the downloaded ISO?
[19:19] <itsmeagain> jmarsden, thanks for the help. have a nice day/evening/morning! :)
[19:20] <Algot> Just downloaded lubuntu for testing on old laptops. Noted that the heading link at the top of right nav at lubuntu.net is broken. Link in paragraph does work.
[19:21] <jmarsden> Algot: I know... I tried changing it and the CMS for lubuntu.net doesn't want to keep my change to that link... I don't know why!
[19:22] <jmarsden> Algot: BTW the standard place to go for Lubuntu is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  see the /topic of this channel
[19:24] <Algot> Bye
[19:24] <stlsaint> jmarsden: i checked first one but not last one
[19:25] <jmarsden> stlsaint: It's usually quicker to check an md5sum than to redownload a 700+ MByte file :)
[19:25] <stlsaint> yea yea
[20:11] <phillw> jmarsden: I did really try to update lubuntu.net, but even with help, I have not managed to alter the link :(
[21:56] <ma5t3rw1tt> I have a quick question that could possibly be answered rather quickly. I have searched on how you restart X. Lubuntu is not letting me restart X with the CTRL+ATL+BACKSPACE, is there something I need to change?
[22:23] <jmarsden> ma5t3rw1tt: Yes but you didn't stay around long enough for me to find it for you ...
[22:32] <KM0201> jmarsden: do ynou know how i would make a shortcut to my NAS on my desktop?
[22:33] <phillw> jmarsden: some we win, some just wander off.... very annoying :)
[22:34] <jmarsden> KM0201: Not off the top of my head, but it shouldn't be hard.  You want a shortcut to a mounted filesystem, I assume.  So (once the filesystem is mounted) you just need a shortcut to /media/mynasfilesystem/ (or wheterever it was that you mounted it).  Right?
[22:35] <KM0201> yes
[22:35] <KM0201> but i can't figure out how to make a shortcut.
[22:36] <jmarsden> I don't use them, but I think that would be a .desktop file that opens pcmanfm on the relevant directory... let me play a bit...
[22:37] <KM0201> jmarsden: hmm.
[22:38] <jmarsden> Yes, if you run   pcmanfm /media/mynasfilesystem      it opens pcmanfm at that directory... so just create a mynasfilesystem.desktop file that does that.
[22:38] <jmarsden> It's easier to just use a bookmark inside pcmanfm, but that assumes you know to open pcmanfm first :)
[22:39] <KM0201> well lol, yeah i know how to use pcmanfm
[22:40] <KM0201> lemme try that
[22:41] <jmarsden> KM0201: So open pcmanfm, navigate to the relevant place and click Bookmark and then Add ... job done :)
[22:46] <KM0201> well crap, nw my nas drive isn;t wanting to mount
[23:32] <Numn> i got a problem with the mouse thing their you edit the speed of the mouse
[23:35] <Numn> anyone?


[00:20] <DPic> boredandblogging: would it be worth digging it or would it be better to wait until it's finalized?


[02:42] <mup> Issue operator#920 opened: Solidify approach to type annotations <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/920>


[03:11] <Joscha> Is this a good Chanel to ask things about FFado, Jack, Pulseaudio and so on? I have no experiance and try to connect my Saffire pro 40 .
[03:17] <holstein> Joscha: sure
[03:17] <holstein> Joscha: you can also try #opensourcemusicians
[03:18] <holstein> it *should be as simple as, open qjackctl, or jack control.. have the firewire device plugged in, and i would have *only* that one firewire device plugged in.. open "setup" and select the "Firewire" driver.. save and hit "start" and see that jack starts without fail
[03:18] <holstein> if not, then, you go from there, troubleshooting
[03:22] <J0scha> Ok. So my Plan is to use my Saffire pro40 as normal audio output for the System and with a daw for musikrecording. I've got the Ffado-mixer to work. I can set levels for all the Faders (testet it with an SPDIF Input, but i wasn't able to get Anything out of my Computer to the Interface. I heard the "normal" Programms are going to Output into a pulseaudio-server? and I need and bridge to get these Signals into Jack and then routing
[03:23] <holstein> i can tell you how i do it, and how otherwise do it
[03:23] <J0scha> o Idea how to do that.
[03:23] <holstein> what do i do? i dont do "casual" audio on my production machine
[03:24] <holstein> i actually disable the pulse audio dbus in jack, and i dont do any flash or "normal" audio from the system on my firewire device
[03:24] <holstein> what do others do? just launch jack, and route the pulse audio sources using the dbus that is running by default out of the box
[03:24] <holstein> you'll see it in "qjackctl" in "connect".. the pulse audio sources can be routed there to your firewire device
[03:28] <J0scha> in qjackctl in the Connect dialog there are 2 Outputs (System) and 6 Inputs (System) But these numbers don't refer to my Interface.So i think the System output is the Thing i want to rout into my Interface?
[03:29] <holstein> J0scha: nope.. i really dont think so, but, it literally wont hurt to try it
[03:29] <holstein> J0scha: are you using 14.04?
[03:29] <velho> holstein, good night my friend :D
[03:30] <J0scha> using Ubuntu mate 14.10. Should have said that at first. Found This IRC in a Forum.
[03:32] <J0scha> But it's a fresh install, so if there are good reasons for a change on ubuntu studio i could do it without loosing configuration, becouse there is no yet
[03:33] <holstein> J0scha: i suggest 14.04 for firewire
[03:33] <holstein> J0scha: mate doesnt matter.. should work fine in mate
[03:33] <holstein> J0scha: but, the 14.04 base might
[03:34] <holstein> J0scha: i wouldnt bother changing now.. just try and set it up
[03:34] <holstein> J0scha: you are in the audio group?
[03:35] <J0scha> I think so. I did sudo usermod -a -G audio  with no errorsusername]
[03:36] <holstein> J0scha: is jack running without error?
[03:36] <J0scha> whoops, writeing is hard...   "sudo usermod -a -G audio [username]"
[03:36] <holstein> if it is, then, you are probably setup just fine
[03:36] <holstein> look in "qjackctl" under setup in the misc tab for the jack dbus make sure that is turned on
[03:39] <J0scha> Dbus is activated and i didn t notice any errors? Is there an error log or something? Or would there errors be visibil in a pop up?
[03:39] <holstein> J0scha: just try jack, friend
[03:39] <holstein> dont overthink it.. route something like yoshimi, and use the virtualkeyboard in the menu to make sound
[03:41] <J0scha> wait... typing jack in the terminal resultis in a "The Programm Jack isn't installd...", but my qjackctl is running... Maybe i missd installing Jack.
[03:41] <holstein> J0scha: qjackctl is just the gui
[03:41] <holstein> when you hit "start" it'll start jackd
[03:42] <holstein> "jack" really is not a package
[03:43] <J0scha> qjackctl tells me itś working t 48Khz and since 49 minutes and there was no error. Does this mean qjackctl startet a Jack, wich in not installd on the System...? I'm getting confused.
[03:44] <holstein> J0scha: JACK is installed, and running
[03:44] <holstein> J0scha: you dont need to type jack in a terminal.. ;)
[03:44] <J0scha> just tought about some help page and maybe an errorlog.
[03:44] <holstein> J0scha: so anyways, you should see, in "connnect" the firewire sources,a nd the pulse system soures.. route them together, and test your sytem audio
[03:45] <holstein> J0scha: you dont have any errors, yet, friend
[03:45] <holstein> J0scha: you dont need to troubleshoot errors yet :)
[03:45] <J0scha> So my Problem is that my Interface obviously doesn't show up in qjackctl
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: why?
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: you state you see it.. route *something*
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: open yoshimi, and try it
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: im assuming you are using the firewire driver, as i said to do before. are you?
[03:49] <J0scha> yes. It told me to restart the jackserver. in qjackctl the buttons in the left top corner are the correct ones to restart the server?
[03:50] <holstein> there is a "stop" button
[03:51] <holstein> you stop it, see that it is configured for the firewire driver, and not the alsa internal audio device, which, is what it seems you were setup for
[03:52] <J0scha> Ok, I did this and there is still not 1 in-/output from my interface
[03:53] <holstein> J0scha: what makes you say that?
[03:54] <holstein> it wont say "the well supported focusrite ins and outs here"
[03:54] <holstein> they could be labeled anything..
[03:54] <J0scha> becouse the count doesent fit and the a labeled System
[03:55] <holstein> J0scha: please read that sentence, and try again..
[04:00] <J0scha> So i took Yoshimi, connected the apprering Yoshimi Outputs in Jack to all 6 Outputs of the System and turnd all Chaneles up in the FFado Mixer but i still do not hear a sound.
[04:01] <J0scha> Is a Reboot needed while installing all these Audiodrivers?
[04:02] <cfhowlett> J0scha, shouldn't be but it's possible
[04:02] <J0scha> gonna try it
[04:02] <holstein> J0scha: you are not installing any drivers
[04:02] <holstein> they are baked into the kernel.. its modular
[04:03] <holstein> J0scha: i *dont* use the ffado mixer with my firewire hardware
[04:03] <holstein> J0scha: you can also try the ubuntustudio 14.04 live iso and see if everything "just magically works" out of the box
[04:04] <holstein> J0scha: if it does, you can just insatll ubuntustudio, and add mate to it.. that would be much easier.. assuming the hard part of setting up the audio is already done for you
[04:04] <J0scha> Well, i have to lern much more about Linux in general.   The Download will take at least 40 mins  The Feature is calld like that even if this is not possible.
[04:07] <holstein> lol
[04:08] <holstein> J0scha: on my unit, i have a knob that fades beteen the system audio from the computer, and what is "live" in the inputs.. *before* the computer
[04:08] <holstein> you *can* call that "zero latency" if you want.. but, its not
[04:08] <J0scha> I used Linux on my only mashine for 2 Years but it is a few years ago and i was pretty young. (like 12 or so)
[04:09] <holstein> i mean, it even takes time for the sound to travel through the air to your ears
[04:09] <J0scha> It's near enough for not hearing it while playing drums. Thats enough for me :D
[04:10] <holstein> not hearing what?
[04:10] <J0scha> Now reboot. Bye
[04:10] <J0scha> the latency
[04:10] <holstein> J0scha: its analog, thats why
[04:10] <holstein> which *still* has latency..
[04:19] <J0scha_> yes, the reboot made everything is working. Now I just have to get this  pulseaudio sound into jack.
[04:20] <J0scha_> also got this working. That you very much for your time! holstein!
[11:26] <studio_> have sorted most of the sound problems with midi....but now after using jack or qsynth i lose all sound in my browser and spotify..anyone know why
[16:33] <LightAce> Hello?
[17:06] <deak> ive sorted most of the probs with my midi sound output now and have been able to start using midi with audio...
[20:15] <LightAce> anyone not afk?
[20:18] <holstein> yes...