[07:30] <mup> PR snapd#11048 opened: o/snapstate/handlers: propagate read errors on "copy-snap-data" <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11048>
[08:31] <mup> PR snapd#11049 opened: tests: skip `snap advise-command` test if the store is overloaded <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11049>
[09:01] <mup> PR snapd#11050 opened: tests: the `lxd` test is failing right now on 21.10 <Flaky Test> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11050>
[09:41] <mup> PR snapd#11037 closed: interfaces/apparmor/template.go: allow udevadm from merged usr systems <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11037>
[10:50] <miguelpires> mvo: hi, can you merge this https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10992 please?
[10:50] <mup> PR #10992: cmd: create ~/snap dir with 0700 perms <Needs Samuele review> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10992>
[11:45] <mup> Issue core18#182 closed: Removal of expired Let's Encrypt certificate <Created by SandJ> <Closed by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/issues/182>
[12:52] <mup> PR snapd#11051 opened: tests: ensure machine clock is ntp synced during prepare <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11051>
[14:22] <mup> PR snapd#10992 closed: cmd: create ~/snap dir with 0700 perms <Needs Samuele review> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10992>
[14:22] <mup> PR snapd#11052 opened: tests: ensure snapd can be downloaded as a module <Created by atesburak> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11052>
[14:52] <mup> PR snapd#11049 closed: tests: skip `snap advise-command` test if the store is overloaded <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11049>
[15:12] <mup> PR snapd#11053 opened: daemon: write formdata file parts to snaps dir <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11053>


[00:00] <jdwwatts> Ok here goes
[00:02] <Bashing-om> jdwwatts: Working example: rsync -aiv --exclude=".*" --exclude uwn /home/sysop/ /media/sysop/store/ for my use case.
[00:11] <jdwwatts> I just want to back up my home files to a usb device now im back in School lol
[00:17] <Bashing-om> jdwwatts: ^ will do that - where sysop is my username and /media/sysop/store/ is the target mount point. You may want to refine to your use case - see: ' man rsync ' :D
[00:19] <jdwwatts> when i named my home file and tried to send it i got the permision denied error
[00:25] <Bashing-om> jdwwatts: Do you "own" the target directory ? with the USB mounted - what shows ' ls -al /media ' ? One step at a time :D
[00:26] <Bashing-om> !paste | jdwwatts
[00:37] <jdwwatts> ok
[00:42] <jdwwatts> i formatted the usb with gparted does that matter ?
[01:57] <exit70[m]> would "install third party software software for graphics and ..." automatically install nvidia driver? if so would it be able to skip nvidia driver installation if the gpu is too old for current driver series to support?
[01:59] <tomreyn> exit70[m]: i would think the installer will not install a proprietary nvidia driver if the hardware detected on your system is not on the lists of hardware compatible with each of the drivers.
[01:59] <exit70[m]> i see, sounds good
[02:00] <tomreyn> you could also not tick the box and just install those later
[05:15] <Akash17> anyone have problems with the mouse and keyboard not responding after 10 minutes of no use? I'm running Ubuntu 18 for the RP 4b and Logitech wireless combo. The image performs the sam on two separate boards.
[16:18] <Celso> boa tarde!
[17:27] <frad> 20.04, screen turns black every 30 minutes. I have tweaked every energy configuration and screensaver setting I can think ofbut apparently I am doing something worng. What?
[18:51] <John31> Hello, I'm reinstalling a machine, and would like to know if there's any tool to investigate possible problems with CPU, GPU or Ram inside xubuntu
[20:11] <ali1234> frad: open terminal and run 'xset s off'
[20:15] <frad> ali1234, nowthat I think of it, this happened also after upgrading to 19.10 and solved itself after a 19.10.1 was released...
[20:15] <ali1234> frad: i dont know why it keeps happening
[20:16] <frad> ali1234, do you suffer this too?
[20:16] <ali1234> yes
[20:16] <frad> oh, then it's a bug
[20:16] <ali1234> well, yes


[00:00] <trothigar> bdmurray, so even if the bug status is new I should leave it?
[00:01] <bdmurray> well, I changed it to Triaged.  In Progress or Triaged would be fine.
[02:55] <hggdh> dtchen, ping
[02:57] <dtchen> hggdh: pong
[02:58] <hggdh> hi dtchen, two questions, (1) I have been trying to report a PA bug (high CPU utilisation), but ubuntu-bug/apport refused to deal with it
[02:58] <hggdh> (2) there are some bugs, seemingly similar, on PA on malloc/free issues; should I leave them open/new, or can I dup them to the oldest?
[02:59] <hggdh> oh, and thank you for the class
[03:00] <dtchen> hggdh: they should all be fixed with the snapshot that's currently building in the ppa
[03:00] <dtchen> hggdh: however, i'm not at a dev machine, so i can't verify whether the one malloc issue i've been able to trigger is fixed
[03:01] <dtchen> hggdh: so, please leave them open; i have them all tagged locally
[03:01] <hggdh> will do, thanks
[03:01] <dtchen> hggdh: and, np
[04:12] <micahg1> ugh, I really wish there was a way to remove comments sometimes
[04:13] <hggdh> so do I, so do I...
[04:21] <micahg> I just e-mailed a bug a comment I meant for a triager
[04:21] <micahg> :(
[04:21] <hggdh> heh
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[08:35] <blackest_knight> hi i've got a weird audio issue i get audio out from the audio in jack and nothing from audio out jack
[09:06] <ccm> somebody of you using the hug-tools?
[09:11] <thekorn> ccm, soory, which hug-tools? or do you mean the hugday-tools
[09:13] <ccm> thekorn: yes, i mean "hugday"
[09:13] <ccm> I just tried to set it up (the version from karmic with the wiki documentation)
[09:13] <thekorn> ccm, ok, so yes, I'm using them
[09:13] <ccm> I ran into the problem that it seems I don't have a cookie named MOIN*
[09:14] <thekorn> hmm ok
[09:14] <thekorn> let me check
[09:14] <ccm> maybe that is related to the now openid stuff?
[09:14] <thekorn> no, once you logged in into the wiki there should be a MOIN cookie
[09:15] <thekorn> that's at least how it worked in the past
[09:15] <ccm> thekorn: okay, i will check that again
[09:17] <thekorn> ccm, hugday init --user thekorn --cookie ~/.mozilla/firefox/anwhxcak.default/cookies.sqlite   works for me
[09:20] <ccm> thekorn: now it works
[09:20] <ccm> thekorn: i will update the wiki documentation
[09:25] <thekorn> ccm, super, thanks
[09:28] <ccm> thekorn: done. you can review if you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=5
[09:29] <ccm> hi bdrung_ :)
[09:29] <thekorn> ccm, aha, sounds good, good point
[09:30] <ccm> thekorn: yeah, you get a crappy error message "cannot handle format" which does help you otherwise
[09:30] <ccm> nice tool, by the way
[09:31]  * thekorn adds "improving this error message" to his TODO
[09:32] <thekorn> glad you like it
[09:35] <bdrung_> hi ccm
[10:07] <matti> :)
[11:00] <Vorik> Im running an updated version of karmic on a MSI wind u100. Most of the times in GDM, the display brightness bounces around between 2 levels. (like twice a second)
[11:01] <Vorik> When logged in, it sometimes happens also (spontaniously)
[15:37] <bddebian> Boo
[16:15] <hggdh> baBOO
[16:35] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week will start in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:07] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone help with this bug LP 414795 ?
[17:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414795 in pulseaudio "PC beep no longer works in Karmic alpha4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414795
[17:40] <bdmurray> seb128: Should the desktop bugs team be subscribed to gnome-disk-utility bugs?
[17:40] <seb128> doesn't make a difference I would say
[17:40] <seb128> I doubt anybody manage to read all the desktop-bugs emails anyway
[17:41] <seb128> pedro_, ^ opinion?
[17:43] <pedro_> seb128, bdmurray that's ok for me
[17:46] <pedro_> bdmurray, could you subscribe the team to libgweather and gtksourceview2  as well?
[17:47] <pedro_> most of the time we reassign bugs to those products, there's not a lot of people filing the bugs directly there, but anyways just in case
[17:50] <bdmurray> pedro_: done
[17:50] <pedro_> bdmurray, thanks!
[17:58] <mac_v> bdmurray: hi... a few ayatana bugs have been lost in a black hole :( , this was due to recent naming change of ayatana > the ayatana project... bugs which existed in ayatana alone are now inaccessible , any way we could recover them?
[17:59] <mac_v> the bugs were invalidated to facilitate the name change
[18:02] <bdmurray> mac_v: I'm not really following.  Can you give me an example bug or the exact names of the projects?
[18:03] <mac_v> bug #397724
[18:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397724 in dead-ayatana "clipboard uses both selection and traditional clipboard (might be misleading)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397724
[18:04] <bdmurray> wouldn't also affects project + new project name add a task where you want it?
[18:04] <mac_v> i dint follow?
[18:05] <bdmurray> click "+ Also affects project".  type in mane of the new ayatana project and you should be good to go
[18:05] <bdmurray> s/mane/name/
[18:05] <mac_v> bdmurray: the thing is , bugs which existed in ayatana alone , are now *not* accessible , since it points to DEAD-ayatana
[18:06] <mac_v> bdmurray: just click on the lp link above , you'll see what i mean
[18:06] <bdmurray> mac_v: what's the name of the right project?
[18:07] <mac_v> bdmurray: hmm... now , i dont think ayatana is accepting bugs , but they can be changed back to papercuts
[18:08] <bdmurray> mac_v: see this for what I mean https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/397724
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397724 in dead-ayatana "clipboard uses both selection and traditional clipboard (might be misleading)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:08] <bdmurray> on stagigng
[18:09] <mac_v> bdmurray: \o/ how did you do that?
[18:10] <mac_v> did you add the papercuts?
[18:13] <mac_v> bdmurray: so basically such dead projects can be accessed from the .staging. site?
[18:13] <bdmurray> I clicked also affects project beneath the tasks on the bug page and then chose the right project name
[18:13] <bdmurray> I don't understand how the project is "dead"
[18:14] <bdmurray> the initial bug link you gave me was fine, I was just using staging as an example to show how to do it w/o really modifying the bug report
[18:14] <mac_v> bdmurray: "Launchpad bug --- in dead-ayatana" , see the ubottu response
[18:14] <bdmurray> they just renamed the project to dead-ayatana it doesn't mean anything
[18:14] <mac_v> oh!
[18:15] <mac_v> bdmurray: i thought that since the "ayatana" was closed and started again as the "The Ayatana project" , the old one was named dead ;p
[18:16] <mac_v> s/was named/got auto named
[18:18] <AnAnt> Hello, is the bug LP 328080 linked to upstream properly ?
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328080 in verilog "Cryptic error message when passing events to functions." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328080
[18:19] <AnAnt> I ask because I was not able to add an upstream bug URL via "Affects project" button
[18:19] <bdmurray> AnAnt: looking
[18:19] <AnAnt> thanks
[18:22] <bdmurray> AnAnt: the problem here is there is no upstream project info
[18:23] <AnAnt> bdmurray: and ?
[18:23] <bdmurray> AnAnt: I'm looking into it
[18:23] <AnAnt> oh
[18:24] <mac_v> !logs
[18:24] <ubot4> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[18:32] <AnAnt> bdmurray: well, sorry, I have to run now, I'll try to be back after a couple of hours
[18:33] <bdmurray> AnAnt: okay, its been a bit since I've done this
[18:37] <mac_v> bdmurray: why is it not allowing to just change the project? is says > Not Found Object: , name: u'dead-ayatana'
[18:37] <bdmurray> mac_v: how are you changing it?
[18:38] <mac_v> i'm just trying to switch the project , instead of using the "Also affects"
[18:38] <mac_v> wont that work now?
[18:39] <bdmurray> I don't believe changing projects works.  I'm pretty sure there is a bug about that.  That's why I said also affects project.
[18:40] <mac_v> changing projects , doesnt work only for this , i just change a few other normal bugs , using that :( ,its just not allowing ayatana :(
[18:40] <bdmurray> are you sure it was changing projects and not changing packages?
[18:41] <mac_v> bdmurray: hmm... i change the hundred papercuts , to NULL , those are projects or packages?
[18:42] <bdmurray> mac_v: hmm, that is a project
[18:42] <mac_v> yeah
[18:42] <bdmurray> jcastro: someone was trying to add a bug watch to bug 328080 and I don't recall how to setup the upstream project.
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328080 in verilog "Cryptic error message when passing events to functions." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328080
[18:43] <mac_v> bdmurray: as i said earlier , i believe the "dead" was not due to renaming , but rather since the bug was closed
[18:43] <mac_v> s/bug/project
[18:43] <jcastro> looking!
[18:43] <mac_v> bdmurray: i'll use also affects for now , and ask you for help for those which dont allow :)
[18:44] <jcastro> ugh
[18:44] <jcastro> series
[18:46] <mac_v> bdmurray: or could you look at this > error ID  OOPS-1342F1736    , pls :)
[18:46] <ubot4> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1342F1736
[18:47] <greg-g> neat, bugzilla.gnome automagically collapses backtraces in the webview
[18:47] <jcastro> bdmurray: created and linked
[18:48] <bdmurray> mac_v: you'd be better off asking about OOPSes in #launchpad
[18:48] <mac_v> hehe , ok ;)
[18:48] <bdmurray> jcastro: right but how did you do it?
[18:51] <jcastro> oh, you have to create an entirely new project
[18:51] <jcastro> so from the lp front page, create new project
[18:51] <jcastro> then you have to go find the upstream home page, get the license right, etc.
[18:53] <jcastro> after it's in lp then it allows you to link bugs to it
[18:53] <bdmurray> so its still quite some work then
[18:54] <jcastro> yes, but we've got the major ones
[18:54] <jcastro> usually when I do it now is when an upstream breaks up into things, so from like "foo" to "foo-data" "foo-frontend" or something
[18:56] <bdmurray> jcastro: okay, thanks for the help!
[18:57] <jcastro> no worries!
[18:57] <jcastro> I haven't had to make one in a while!
[19:01] <greg-g> jcastro: those can't be auto-created based off of the packaging information? :) But I suppose we've already passed the point where not many new projects need to be created in LP
[19:02] <jcastro> I /think/ maybe the first time they did it
[19:02] <jcastro> at the beginning I spent alot of time making them
[19:03] <jcastro> IMO it should let you link to any bug tracker and make a watch, but it's designed to not let you do that.
[19:03] <jcastro> it makes you fill in all this stuff for some kind of meta-launchpad take-over-the-world reason
[19:04] <jcastro> *shrug*
[19:09] <bdmurray> jcastro: Ideally this should be part of the adding a package to Ubuntu process too
[19:10] <micahg> bdmurray: can we get the ls-duplicate script into the package ubuntu-qa-tools?
[19:11] <bdmurray> see the attachment in bug 225588 for an easter egg of sorts
[19:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 225588 in qcomicbook "qcomicbook hangs when opening zip archives" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225588
[19:31] <bdmurray> hggdh: okay I think there is something wrong with gmane - http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.general looking around there it stops around 30 Mar 2009
[19:46] <hggdh> bdmurray, sometimes it does, sometimes it does not.
[19:46] <hggdh> I cannot -- yet -- understand why
[19:46] <hggdh> but if you search for a specific author, it goes beyond March
[19:47] <hggdh> this is why I am considering hosting the archive
[19:51] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah, one LP to rule them all and all that
[19:54] <bdmurray> hggdh: the ones that do show up past 20090330 are universe bugs
[19:54] <bdmurray> gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.universe:122878 <- notice the universe there
[19:56] <bdmurray> there is ubuntu.bugs.general and ubuntu.bugs.universe which are different mailing lists
[19:56] <hggdh> oh bloody hell. Only Universe, then. Let me try to contact gmane
[19:57] <bdmurray> hggdh: great thanks, and please cc me as I'm the mailing list admin
[20:03] <hggdh> bdmurray, will do
[20:03] <bdmurray> hggdh: awesome thanks!
[20:11] <hggdh> bdmurray, done. I guess we will have to wait for tomorrow, since it is already night there.
[20:27] <^arky^> hi, question why so many unlinked bugs get assigned to yelp?
[20:28] <^arky^> Is it coz report bug using help system or something ?
[20:29] <bdmurray> ^arky^: yes a lot of people use help report a problem from yelp, but I think pedro_ is working on a patch for that
[20:29] <^arky^> good to hear
[20:29] <bdmurray> hggdh: do you know when the people.ubuntu to people.canonical change happened?
[20:29] <^arky^> jcastro: you around man?
[20:30] <jcastro> ^arky^: yo
[20:30] <hggdh> bdmurray, no I do not. I *know* it happened, but not when
[20:30] <hggdh> 2 years ago?
[20:30] <^arky^> yesterday I volunteered to be upstream contact for gnome-orca
[20:31] <pedro_> ^arky^, right, i've created a small apport hook for that case ; bug 418156
[20:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418156 in yelp "Yelp Apport Hook" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418156
[20:31] <pedro_> ^arky^, most of the reporters on yelp think that the app is for asking for help rather than search it by yourself on the docs
[20:31] <pedro_> so i hope that those small set of questions will help to solve that
[20:32] <^arky^> yeah, perhaps you should merge it with apport if the patch is complete, it would really bring the volume of 'assignment-needed' bugs
[20:33] <pedro_> i don't have the rights to merge it ;-)
[20:33] <pedro_> it should be reviewed and applied to yelp instead though
[20:33] <jcastro> ^arky^: there's no seperate field for upstream contacts yet, so subscribing to the bugs should be sufficient for now
[20:33] <^arky^> yup you are right
[20:34] <^arky^> thanks jcastro , is there way that I subscribe to all the bugs in a package by default
[20:34] <jcastro> yeah, one sec
[20:35] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnome-orca
[20:35] <jcastro> click on "Subscribe to bug mail"
[20:35] <jcastro> (that works for any project)
[20:36] <jcastro> warning: you'll want to make sure your filtering in your mailer is set up
[20:36] <jcastro> on some projects that can totally demolish your inbox
[20:41] <^arky^> thanks for the warning jcastro
[20:41] <^arky^> pedro_: the hooks works fine to me, just one suggest perhaps we need to rephrase the return message for request for help
[20:47] <^arky^> jcastro: Thanks I am following gnome-orca, speech-dispatcher and accerciser
[20:48] <jcastro> rock and roll!
[20:48] <^arky^> Perhaps it would be really wonderful if someone from bugsquad wants to take me under their wing and mentor me
[20:48] <jcastro> just ask here, that's what I do
[20:49] <jcastro> and attend a hug day, that should be enough
[20:49] <^arky^> :)
[20:50] <^arky^> yeah, that I do
[20:51] <^arky^> bug 328946 : Trying to build a package without ubuntu patches to zero in on the problem. The ubuntu sounds defeated me so far
[20:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328946 in gnome-power-manager "Improve Audio Notification When Plugged In" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328946
[21:02] <AnAnt> Hello, how did you guys do the bug watch ?
[21:04] <blackest_knight> how to get rid of something on a gnome panel when you cant right click it?
[21:04] <LordMetroid> I just file bugs, I do not watch them
[21:04] <blackest_knight> wrong window
[21:04] <LordMetroid> Except at times when I am playing zoologist
[21:05] <AnAnt> ah, create a project in LP
[21:07] <AnAnt> jcastro: so for every upstream software, there must be an LP project page for it ?
[21:07] <jcastro> to link a bug to it, yeah
[21:07] <jcastro> because lp needs to know where the bug tracker is and all that
[21:07] <jcastro> but we have pages for most of them
[21:09] <AnAnt> ok
[21:11] <AnAnt> thanks
[21:11] <^arky^> Where should bug 423938 reassigned to? gnome-desktop ?
[21:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423938 in ubuntu "gnome window should work with keyboard." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423938
[21:21] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:24] <pedro_> ^arky^, don't think so, seems he's referring to the window manager, not sure which one though, could you ask him?
[21:25] <pedro_> ^arky^, i don't know what he's requesting there either, since you can do that with both window managers, so a better description is needed as well ;-)
[21:27] <^arky^> sure, doing that
[22:32] <Tumie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/423875
[22:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423875 in ubuntu "About Ubuntu says something about Pidgin, but Empathy is installed." [Undecided,New]
[22:32] <Tumie> can somebody take a look at that?
[22:32] <Tumie> i think somebody didn't understand it right
[22:33] <Tumie> i'm also going to make a screenshot right now
[22:35] <micahg> Tumie: thank you for reporting this, the screenshot will be helpful to see where to assign this
[22:36] <Tumie> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/Screenshot.png << here is the screenshot
[22:37] <micahg> Tumie: can you attach it to the bug please
[22:37] <Tumie> ok
[22:38] <micahg> bdmurray: what's the ubuntu installer called? ubiquity?
[22:38] <bdmurray> micahg: yes, that is the gui version of the installer
[22:38] <micahg> so the screenshot above is of ubiquity?
[22:39] <Tumie> so.. the package is ubiquity ?
[22:40] <bdmurray> well, actually it is likely ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[22:40] <BUGabundo> wow
[22:40] <micahg> cool
[22:40] <BUGabundo> the installer looks kewl
[22:40] <micahg> thanks bdmurray
[22:40] <bdmurray> I'd double check though
[22:40] <micahg> they can reassign if it's wrong
[22:41] <Tumie> where can i add the package to it?
[22:41] <bdmurray> its likely a dup of bug 423640
[22:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423640 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "pidgin promoted in slideshow while not being in the livefs or resulting install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423640
[22:41] <Tumie> ow
[22:41] <micahg> got it
[22:41] <Tumie> somebody already did it :)
[22:42] <micahg> thanks
[22:42] <Tumie> yes, i think it's a duplicate :)
[22:42]  * micahg marked it as such
[22:43] <Tumie> can somebody add my screenshot to the older bug?
[22:44] <Tumie> never mind
[22:44] <micahg> The other bug is descriptive enough.  Thank you for reporting this and please let us know if you see anything else.
[22:45] <bdmurray> it should be fairly trivial to fix if someone wants to give it a shot
[23:00] <billybigrigger> anyone know the bug number for the missing Applications icons?
[23:02] <micahg> billybigrigger: are you referring to bug 408361?
[23:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 408361 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox needs to use "gtk_image_menu_item_set_always_show_image" for essential icons." [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408361
[23:02] <billybigrigger> no
[23:02] <billybigrigger> in karmic, all the icons from Applications/Places/System are gone
[23:02] <billybigrigger> but they appear in System/Preferences and Administration
[23:02] <billybigrigger> just not the root menus
[23:03] <seb128> right, same bug
[23:03] <seb128> or design decision
[23:04] <billybigrigger> so there's a fix from mozilla, just not for ubuntu?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I got OOo fixed to
[23:13] <seb128> billybigrigger, not sure what you are asking
[23:13] <seb128> billybigrigger, removing icons from most menus was a design decision from GNOME
[23:13] <billybigrigger> im reading
[23:13] <billybigrigger> i see that it was a gnome development decision
[23:13] <komputes> Since today is Network Manager Hug Day, can someone in BugControl assign this bug to an individual https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/284596
[23:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 284596 in network-manager "nm-applet fail when another user is logged in (intrepid)" [Unknown,In progress]
[23:13] <billybigrigger> well they should enable all icons, or disable all icons
[23:13] <billybigrigger> having them half and half looks bloody stupid
[23:14] <seb128> they show icons for object
[23:14] <seb128> drives, files, bookmarks
[23:16] <billybigrigger> oh geez
[23:16] <billybigrigger> who decides these things
[23:16] <billybigrigger> ALL icons in the root menus, Apps/Places/System should be disable
[23:16] <billybigrigger> Apps has all but Add remove
[23:16] <billybigrigger> Places has 1 icon here, 1 there
[23:16] <billybigrigger> System has NONE
[23:17] <billybigrigger> it looks like a freakin' mess :)
[23:18] <Flare183> .....
[23:20] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:40] <micahg> komputes: we don't assign bugs to people
[23:41] <komputes> micahg: any tips on moving this bug forward?
[23:41] <micahg> nope
[23:41] <micahg> it's an upstream issue
[23:41] <micahg> you can go upstream if you want to help fix it
[23:41] <hggdh> which would help
[23:42] <micahg> otherwise, we generally wait for upstream to fix since we have so much Ubuntu stuff to do
[23:43] <micahg> komputes: once a bug is at the triaged state, our job (bug control) generally ends and the Ubuntu developers take over
[23:44] <komputes> micahg: thanks for your help
[23:44] <micahg> np komputes, thank you for your help triaging


[06:08] <logiczero> logout
[07:48] <scorpix> hi
[08:19] <xtracto> hi!
[08:19] <xtracto> hello, could anyone help me mounting an external hard drive
[08:19] <xtracto> I have almost everything allright
[08:19] <xtracto> I can mount it in the console via mount /dev/sda1
[08:20] <xtracto> but only with root
[08:20] <xtracto> after I mount it, i can not see it with normal user (no read rights)
[08:20] <xtracto> any help?
[08:21] <scorpix> chmod 777 maybe?
[08:21] <xtracto> well, I have it mounted in /mnt/disc
[08:21] <xtracto> and when unmounted it is 777
[08:21] <xtracto> (the directory)
[08:21] <xtracto> but, after mounting it is r-x------
[08:21] <xtracto> dr-x
[08:21] <xtracto> and tried to chmod 777 but
[08:22] <xtracto> but it tells "read only file system"
[08:22] <xtracto> I also tried with fstab "user" option
[08:22] <xtracto> and then mounting it in user mode
[08:22] <xtracto> but, i still cant get in
[08:22] <scorpix> hmmm
[08:23] <scorpix> try asking in #ubuntu
[08:23] <xtracto> oks
[08:23] <xtracto> thnks!
[08:40] <abelli> Kinnison: ciao
[08:41] <abelli> ChrisH: ciao ciao ciao ciao
[08:41] <abelli> everybody ciao...
[08:41] <abelli> exams are over
[09:02] <enrico> Hello.  Anyone to love to do some OMF scrollkeeper files for me?


[02:47] <arun> hi
[14:19] <metron> hi
[14:20] <metron> Iam new to Lubuntu, looking for pitfalls ;)
[14:23] <metron> ...nothing found atm :)
[14:24] <metron> 21.04 feels very robust
[16:27] <tomreyn> metron: good. :) let us know if you run into something that doesn't seem to work. ;)
[16:28] <tomreyn> (and where you seek help with fixing it)
[16:32] <metron> @tomreyn: there is no sound atm
[16:33] <metron> @tomreyn: let me check yt
[16:35] <metron> @tomreyn: audio works for browser
[16:35] <metron> but i cant hear ogg files
[16:35] <tomreyn> well if it works there, then it seems to work generally
[16:35] <tomreyn> maybe you're lacking some software to handle ogg files
[16:36] <tomreyn> which player are you using?
[16:37] <metron> I use qaussel irc and have no audio work support
[16:37] <tomreyn> what's "audio work support"?
[16:38] <tomreyn> is quassel supposedly playing ogg files?
[16:38] <metron> @tomreyn: It seems that quassel irc support ogg files
[16:38] <metron> @tomreyn: or somthng is missing
[16:38] <tomreyn> try playing those ogg files with an actual audio player first of all
[16:40] <metron> @tomreyn: ok, let me look for some
[16:40] <tomreyn> libogg0 will need to be installed, but probably that's just part of what you're missing
[16:43] <tomreyn> likely also gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
[16:44] <tomreyn> and gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-libav
[16:47] <metron> @tomreyn: ok, vlc player supports oga files hmm
[16:55] <metron> @tomreyn: the problem I guess, is that quassel use message files that cannot be found atm
[16:55] <tomreyn> i see
[16:56] <metron> @tomreyn: I've changed message signal to oga file at /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo
[16:56] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar enough with quassel that i'd know how to fix this, though
[16:57] <metron> @tomreyn: no prob, can you send me plz a private message to check that konfig for quassel ?
[17:24] <metron> why where can I find my vim default config after installation?
[17:24] <metron> -why
 It should be ~/.vimrc (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <metron> why where can I find my vim default config after installation?)
[18:04] <metron> @lubot_: I wrote my own .vimrc but arrow-keys want work ... :( is there a vimrc  in /etc ?
 There is but it should use the one in your $HOME directory. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <metron> @lubot_: I wrote my own .vimrc but arrow-keys want work ... :( is there a vimrc  in /etc ?)
[18:16] <metron> @lubot_: I still can't use arrow-keys in Insert mode
[18:17] <metron> @lubot_: I guess thats an old vi config in background
[18:23] <metron> The reason for this beaviour: vim.basic was installed by default :(
[18:23] <metron> vim.basic = no arrow-keys while Insert mode
 Hmm, my arrow keys work and I didn't do anything to enable it.
[18:29] <metron> ok, get the solution: "set nocompatible" in my .vimrc will work. :)
[18:44] <metron> have to leave, brb


[05:01] <Guest8210> hello. is there a way to view the commands a snap is using to install a snap? I am trying to install something, but I would love to see what is going on behind the scenes so I know exactly what libraries are being installed. is that possible?


[07:25] <nomego> Hi, I'm debugging a kernel driver and is trying to make it device core dump, but udevadm monitor shows that it's getting deleted instantly. Any tips? I've tried enabling apport, setting ulimit -c, even overriding the core_pattern to avoid using apport but nothing seems to work. Something fundamental I've missed?
[07:30] <apw> nomego, kernel drivers do not produce userspace core dumps
[11:21] <tjaalton> klebers: turns out that pciid patch does not fix the bug after all, test results were confusing :/
[11:22] <tjaalton> i'd swlf-nack it if i could reply to it
[11:28] <klebers> tjaalton, I can send the nack
[13:15] <tjaalton> thx
[16:08] <dsd> hi, just curious if any efforts have started to prepare an official ubuntu 4.12 kernel for artful (which i presume is the plan?)
[16:23] <apw> dsd, yes, the are in fact already 4.12 and 4.13 branches in preparation
[16:51] <dsd> apw: cool thanks, are they public?
[16:52] <apw> dsd, i am sure they are somewhere ... /me defers to sforshee
[16:54] <dsd> apw: thanks, i spotted ubuntu/unstable.git
[16:55] <apw> dsd, they may well both be in there, that would be logical
[18:03] <sforshee> dsd: they are both in unstable, unstable/master is 4.12. I've pushed tags for 4.13 but haven't actually pushed that to a branch yet.
[19:51] <nomego> Hi, I'm debugging a kernel driver and is trying to make it device core dump, but udevadm monitor shows that it's getting deleted instantly. Any tips? I've tried enabling apport, setting ulimit -c, even overriding the core_pattern to avoid using apport but nothing seems to work. Something fundamental I've missed?
[19:51] <nomego> apw, I'm trying to follow https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi/debugging#firmware_debugging to fix https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196411


[21:41] <Unit193> Mirv: Oh hey, did you want to look into assaultcube/-data?
[22:17] <Unit193> Also, for anyone that's worked with me.  I sent in my application for Xubuntu's packageset, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193/XubuntuPackageset if you wanted to add a last minute endorsement! ;)


[13:30] <GridCube> i got a mail from the qa tracker saying that there is an alternate iso to test
[13:30] <smartboyhw> GridCube, 12.04 still has alternates
[13:30] <GridCube> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37218/testcases
[13:30] <GridCube> oh
[13:30] <GridCube> right
[13:30] <GridCube> i dont see 12.04 there though
[13:30] <smartboyhw> I remember testing 12.04.1 alternates for Xubuntu at the final moment before release:P
[13:31] <GridCube> ok
[13:31] <GridCube> :)
[17:53] <pleia2> knome: screenshots for site? if there is a way I can help nudge it along, please let me know :)
[17:53] <knome> no.
[17:53] <knome> :P
[17:54] <knome> i should work on the theme to change a thing and make it configurable in the future
[17:54] <knome> (and ask to install one more plugin)
[17:55] <pleia2> hehe
[17:55] <knome> i'll try to get it done later today
[17:55] <knome> ping me again at, uh, probably 22utc ?
[17:56] <knome> i need a fitpc or sth similar to have a simple homeserver for syncing
[17:57] <pleia2> okies
[19:22] <pleia2> btw, our friend tion_ changed his nick so he could ban evade in #ubuntu-women
[19:22] <pleia2> my tolerance for him is at -10 now :)
[19:36] <knome> did you miss a zero from the end?
[19:36] <pleia2> hehe
[19:37] <knome> my next action towards tion is ban
[19:38]  * pleia2 nods
[19:53] <knome> sent email to -devel
[19:55] <pleia2> how are we testing encouragement-wise?
[19:56] <knome> we're still working to get the testcases done on the sandbox to be able to move them to the ISO tracker
[19:56] <knome> it's pending on me and bluesabre, and if you want to help us, i can get you admin access to the trackers
[19:56] <pleia2> ok
[19:57] <pleia2> trying to gather the energy to say ok
[19:57] <pleia2> :)
[19:57] <knome> we definitely should get this done before B1 to make sure we don't have critical bugs
[19:57] <knome> you don't have to by any means
[19:57] <knome> i seriously should get that done and get bluesabre cooperating to get the details right
[19:57] <knome> tweeted about the meeting
[19:57] <pleia2> then we can get blog post out too
[19:58] <knome> yup.
[20:15] <bluesabre> I updated a little bit
[20:15] <bluesabre> How specific/long-winded do I need to be with the details on that
[20:15] <bluesabre> knome ^
[20:16] <knome> bluesabre, anything that you think testers need
[20:16] <knome> bluesabre, if they don't understand it, they won't run the tests
[20:17] <bluesabre> ok, I'll review that again and get them up-to-date sometime today/tonight
[20:17] <knome> great
[20:18] <knome> we only have two testcases for now, right?
[20:18] <knome> ...but you listed more to test
[20:18] <knome> we should have one for each item
[20:19] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll get those added tonight as well
[20:19] <knome> ok, awesome
[20:19] <bluesabre> would it be helpful to have catfish be python3 in raring?
[20:20] <knome> hmm, if that's the only thing that would be in python2, then i guess yes
[20:20] <knome> but i'm not confident that it is so
[20:21] <knome> micahg looked at it earlier, follow up with him
[20:21] <bluesabre> Sure thing
[20:21] <knome> thanks
[20:21] <knome> (and sorry micahg!)
[20:24] <bluesabre> holy crap
[20:24] <bluesabre> at some point, translators got busy with catfish
[20:24] <bluesabre> last time I checked, there were 6
[20:24] <bluesabre> now there are 18
[20:24] <knome> heh
[20:24] <knome> well that's good
[20:24] <bluesabre> yeah
[20:25] <bluesabre> they're not going to like that fact that several strings changed in the experimental/0.6 branch
[20:25] <bluesabre> :D
[20:25] <knome> ;)
[20:27] <bluesabre> alrighty, heading out.  bbl!
[20:27] <knome> hf
[21:43] <knome> pleia2, you around?
[22:21] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/?p=1577&preview=true for your consideration in the upcoming meeting, additions/corrections greatly accepted.  Title needs changed, and I'm up for making it better (only thing I'm not so much for is junking the idea. ;) )
[22:23] <Unit193> I figured I was supposed to ignore "Please notify the site administrator." ;)
[22:23] <knome> heh
[22:33] <pleia2> knome: I am supposed to remind you to do the screenshots!
[23:09] <Glitchd> hello everyone
[23:10] <Glitchd> got a quesiton..
[23:10] <Glitchd> is anyone alive in here?
[23:10] <pleia2> Glitchd: you can just ask :)
[23:10] <pleia2> if someone can help, they'll respond
[23:11] <knome> most of us are living dead, though
[23:11] <knome> :)
[23:11] <Glitchd> rightly so
[23:11] <pleia2> mmmbrains
[23:11] <Glitchd> wondering how to add a script to the startup so it gets executed whenever the system boots
[23:12] <pleia2> I think you want the support channel at #xubuntu :)
[23:12] <knome> yes, definitely :)
[23:12] <pleia2> (this is the project development channel)
[23:12] <knome> (with lousy jokes)
[23:12] <Glitchd> i tried in there and no one ever responds
[23:13] <pleia2> I don't see your question there
[23:13] <pleia2> and there aren't different people here, there are just more in #xubuntu :)
[23:14] <Glitchd> mmk
[23:14] <Glitchd> mmk
[23:17] <Glitchd> so then, no helps?
[23:18] <pleia2> Glitchd: please, can you ask in #xubuntu? this really isn't the place
[23:18] <pleia2> I can answer there, but people read these logs to catch up on development, not for support stuff :)
[23:19] <Glitchd> pleia2, ok then
[23:22] <Glitchd> ok so i asked in there and no one has said anything, about anything, even anything not pertaining to me. its jsut silent in there..
[23:22] <pleia2> Glitchd: maybe your client isn't working? I'm answering
[23:23] <Glitchd> right after i entered this i seen that u had responded to me
[23:23] <Glitchd> lol


 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1952977
 breakage confirmed
 @mitya
 This is probably caused by building against new OpenSSL.
 I still have it on my list, but not sure if I will be able to look before the weekend.
 I am testing whether building against the release pocket with openssl 1.1.1 does indeed fix it. If it does, I might land that with bileto as a temp fix
 Thanks!
 Doing that. Giving it a ubuntu1 to be safe


[16:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Is avldrums on the list for being packaged for debian?
[16:45] <OvenWerks> AVLdrums is just fluidsynth with with preloaded sound fonts
[16:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It is, and I meant to get it packaged for eoan, but it slipped through the cracks as I ran out of time before Feature Freeze & my vacation back in August.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> cool
[16:46] <OvenWerks> It is one of the easiest to use drum kits to use, just load the LV2 and play, no SF to load or anything else.
 ... I do believe 19.10 Carla is FTBFS something fierce :/
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: I'm working with the upstream developer. Something in WINE apparently broke it.
 ah heh
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> I think he worked around it in the upcoming 2.1 release, but I need that to actually release before I do anything with it.
 I forgot to put it here but release post is mirrored on mastodon. Also commented on the new website layout. overall with the last nitpicks that this looks great. I hope all is well with you guys, grats on the release! :)
[19:46] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: what was the really small monitor size we were trying to get controls to fit in?
[19:48] <OvenWerks> 880x627 (wxh) right now.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> my screen is 3200x900 so tyhat is what size I have been working with
[19:51] <OvenWerks> I am running with my buffer size set to 16 so I can see xruns often enough to count
[19:54] <OvenWerks> I will say this machine, with this kernel does not seem as stable as my old P4 was. I used to be able to run at 16/2 for 24hours with no xruns...
[19:54] <OvenWerks> not possible right now. I think I will try liquroix to see if there really is much of a difference
[19:57] <OvenWerks> Playing a session on Ardour is like playing an old record with all the clicks and pops
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Probably 1200x800.
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> Thanks, @azbulutlu!


[08:55] <YoBoY> cjohnston: hi, but I can't, I'm not admin or owner of this team ;)
[12:14] <locodir-user> Are there any discussions happening in here tonight?


[10:19] <dsoft> there is any chance of getting "normal" debian througth ubuntu cd install?
[10:19] <geppy> oly:  Works fine for me.  You're probably using the drive, if that doesn't work.
[10:19] <Echylo> does it sounds logic to anyone that you talk more with your girlfriend after you broke yp
[10:19] <geppy> Echylo: Yes.
[10:19] <Jerub> dsoft: you could just install ubuntu, then put in the debian sources.list
[10:19] <oly> yeah, thats what it says
[10:19] <oly> but i am not
[10:19] <dsoft> install, chaging the source.list to debian, and apt-get upgrade world?
[10:19] <Jerub> dsoft: then dist-upgrade and hope nothing breaks too bad.
[10:19] <sihen> gfxstyler,  ta. last question why when i try run synaptic or the updater and i put in the root passwd it tells me its incorrect?
[10:19] <geppy> oly:  If it says that you are, then you are. =)
[10:19] <Echylo> damn
[10:19] <oly> i need away to force it
[10:19] <Echylo> not really a ubuntu question
[10:20] <tizen> second question... Sometimes when I'm using gaim, I click around the outside of the window and it changes to the size modifying cursor, but then i'm stuck and it won't take any commands... I can move the cursor around but i can't alt+tab or anything... Suggestions? Usually I just ctrl+alt+bksp but something must be more elegant
[10:20] <Echylo> but I'm in the middle of that problem now
[10:20] <spiral> re
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  Perhaps you ran something from a terminal where you were in /media/cdrom0, or something?
[10:20] <oly> well i dont knwo whats using it, and i just want to change cd
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  There is a 'force' option.
[10:20] <back_east> Echylo: I bet I could top you.  What's her number?
[10:20] <farruinn> oly: you neeed to unmount the device first...
[10:20] <Jerub> oly: you can find out what's using it using lsof
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  Change CDs... are you installing a multi-CD program through WINE?
[10:20] <gfxstyler> sihen: try to type in the user password, maybe that helps
[10:20] <oly> yeah i am using wine
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  Jerub is right;  use 'lsof /dev/cdrom/*
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  You'll either need a second CD-ROM drive, or Cedega.
[10:20] <Jerub> no.
[10:21] <geppy> oly: Sorry.
[10:21] <Jerub> lsof /media/cdrom
[10:21] <Jerub> whereever you've mounted it.
[10:21] <plex0r> how can i get linkysys wireless b to work with ubuntu
[10:21] <sihen> ta
[10:21] <geppy> Jerub: oops, my bad
[10:21] <gfxstyler> sihen: but normally you have to type in the root/sudo password
[10:21] <Echylo> back_east Iwont/tell.you.so.
[10:21] <Jerub> another option with wine is to mount the cd images loopback.
[10:21] <Jerub> i.e.
[10:21] <oly> okay ta
[10:21] <back_east> Echylo: It was worth a shot.
[10:21] <oly> it cuz i was in the path on terminal
[10:21] <oly> how annoying :p
[10:21] <Jerub> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/myuser/cdimage-1.iso
[10:21] <Echylo> I ain't gonna talk about my personal life, just a question
[10:21] <geppy> oly:  =)
[10:22] <Jerub> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/myuser/cdimage-1.iso /media/cdrom-1
[10:22] <geppy> Jerub:  If he's installing something with WINE, odds are that it's a copy-protected CD, and dd will choke and die on that.
[10:22] <sihen> gfxstyler,  thanks for all the help
[10:22] <oly> i wish it would just eject regardless when i press the cd button
[10:22] <gfxstyler> sihen: no problem :)
[10:22] <poSca> evening.. some1 know what to do with this little problem http://euroloser.dk/apt-error ?
[10:22] <geppy> oly:  That's a good way to get a BSOD in Windows.
[10:22] <geppy> oly:  There's a reason that you can't do that.
[10:23] <oly> yeah, but its anoying :p
[10:23] <sihen> gfxstyler,  does ubuntu mount my other hd's auto?
[10:23] <geppy> oly:  Less annoying than a complete system crash, I should think. =)
[10:23] <oly> well it coudl just kill the app thats using the cd drive
[10:23] <oly> :p
[10:23] <gfxstyler> sihen: i dont know, if you open nautilus you should see if they are mounted or not
[10:23] <geppy> sihen:  It depends on whether or not you installed them with the installer.  You can check /etc/fstab to see if they are auto-mounted on boot.
[10:23] <Fator_Dee> oly: that could crash the system too :-p
[10:23] <gfxstyler> sihen: but i guess yes
[10:23] <geppy> oly:  heh =)
[10:23] <Jerub> oly: its really really really complicated.
[10:24] <sihen> root@Enigma:~ # apt-get install amsn
[10:24] <sihen> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:24] <sihen> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:24] <Jerub> sihen: sudo apt-get install imsn
[10:24] <Jerub> er whateever. use sudo
[10:24] <farruinn> sihen: close synaptic
[10:24] <gfxstyler> sihen: do you have synaptics open?
[10:24] <Jerub> oh,you're logged in as root. nevermind.
[10:24] <sihen> ok its working
[10:24] <sihen> ta ta
[10:25] <sihen> brb
[10:25] <queuetue> WhenI run a "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -msinfo", I get a bout a bushel and a half of nastiness about lack of DVD support, suggesting I buy a professional package, and complaining about kernel 2.5.  What gives?
[10:25] <airox> Nice, I got suspend to ram working. But hibernation doesn't want to work yet. But I did set the /etc/default/acpi-support to yes :(
[10:26] <bryan> does anyone know why they took that beautiful blue ximen window skin out of horay?
[10:26] <gfxstyler> bryan: why dont you add it if you like it so much ? :)
[10:27] <bryan> can't find it
[10:28] <gfxstyler> bryan: did you look at http://www.gnome-look.org ?
[10:28] <back_east> airox: Did you try swsusp or the kernel suspend to disk?
[10:28] <bryan> nope, thanks for the link though!
[10:28] <airox> back_east: I have a toshiba that supports hibernation.
[10:28] <gfxstyler> bryan: np
[10:29] <back_east> airox: in the BIOS?
[10:29] <airox> back_east: But I guess I forget to set the hibernation lba :/
[10:29] <back_east> airox: Oh
[10:29] <airox> back_east: There was some line that I had to add a 'kopt' section to grub
[10:29] <airox> Should it have a # at the beginning of the line ?
[10:30] <back_east> airox: Yes
[10:30] <airox> Sounds weird, mostly it's used as commmenting out :/
[10:30] <back_east> airox: kopts are added to each kernel listing when you run "grub-install"
[10:31] <back_east> airox: Yeah, it breaks all kinds of conventions
[10:31] <seacyd> Hi! The latest hoary update had brought the weather report gnome applet to release 2.10. There is a night feature installed which though does not take into account if this city still has daylight. Can this be changed?
[10:32] <airox> update-grub would install grub to the lba would it ?
[10:33] <airox> damnit, never mind
[10:33] <mcphail> queuetue: Linus and the cdrecord author have indulged in a little mutual flaming over time. Not helpful.
[10:33] <airox> i ran update-grub the previous time :/
[10:34] <back_east> airox: That's the one I meant
[10:34] <airox> back_east: Yeah, it did add a line with kopt, but I forget to add suspend=/dev/hda4 :/
[10:34] <back_east> airox: yeah, update grub installs a new MBR
[10:35] <geppy> Where can I learn QT?  I'm looking to port a KDE app to GTK.
[10:36] <Chipzz> geppy: wrong channel
[10:36] <geppy> Chipzz:  Righto, thanks.
[10:36] <Chipzz> geppy: EXTREMELY wrong channel
[10:36] <airox> :P
[10:36] <geppy> Chipzz:  haha, yeah. =)
[10:36] <Chipzz> ubuntu almost only has gtk+/gnome apps
[10:36] <geppy> Yeah.
[10:37] <HiddenWolf> Chipzz: there is kubuntu :)
[10:38] <mcphail> geppy: http://www.trolltech.com/
[10:38] <geppy> mcphail: Danke!
[10:38] <mcphail> np
[10:39] <geppy> Agh, there's a reason I don't use that stuff.
[10:39] <tt> hi
[10:39] <bryan> link?
[10:39] <geppy> bryan:  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=271&slide=01
[10:39] <tck> sorry 'bout this paste
[10:40] <tck> but mplayer is driving me mad
[10:40] <geppy> tck:  Use PasteBin
[10:40] <bryan> ugly
[10:40] <geppy> bryan:  Agreed.
[10:40] <JStrike> configure seems to think that I don't have gcc 3.2 or above. Is this an issue with Ubuntu's configure or with the apps configure script?
[10:41] <tck> http://www.pastebin.com/251110
[10:41] <bryan> do you know you have gcc installed?
[10:41] <geppy> JStrike: Have you installed 'build-essential'?
[10:41] <back_east> bryan: if "which gcc" gives you a path
[10:42] <snoop_> eh...does anyone use wireless intenet? got problems with that here.....
[10:42] <plex0r> gah i dont think i cang et online on my ubuntu systtem
[10:42] <JStrike> geppy : No. Will install it. Thanks
[10:42] <geppy> JStrike: No problem.
[10:42] <JStrike> I had just install gcc 4.0
[10:43] <error_29> hello all.  I've decided to take the plunge and upgrade warty to hoary -- just don't want to wait till April! -- and I'm not clear about some things
[10:44] <error_29> Should I remove backports, multiverse, etc from synaptic before upgrading to the hoary versions of my packages?
[10:44] <error_29> I'm worried about conflicts
[10:44] <error_29> and clueless...
[10:44] <snoop_> anyone have any trouble installing ndiswrapper? giving me errors ..
[10:45] <gfxstyler> snoop_; i have it installed, works without probs
[10:45] <farruinn> error_29: backports yes, multiverse I don't know about
[10:46] <farruinn> error_29: some people have had problems upgrading with backports installed
[10:46] <snoop_> gives me this error :
[10:46] <snoop_> make -C driver install
[10:46] <snoop_> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/anoop/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[10:46] <snoop_> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build;
[10:46] <snoop_>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[10:46] <snoop_> make[1] : *** [prereq_check]  Error 1
[10:46] <snoop_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/anoop/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[10:46] <snoop_> make: *** [install]  Error 2
[10:46] <plex0r> how am i supposed to set up wireless network card, when i cant get on the internet on the nix system?
[10:47] <aeolist> hello ubuntuers
[10:47] <error_29> thanks farruinn --
[10:47] <aeolist> is there a jigdo file for the weekly dvd?
[10:47] <gfxstyler> snoop_; did you install the kernel sources?
[10:47] <gfxstyler> snoop_: search for linux-source in synaptic
[10:47] <snoop_> i am new at this..how would i go about doing that?
[10:47] <snoop_> ok
[10:47] <plex0r> no one knows..
[10:48] <snoop_> is there a specific repository? cause it says nothing when i search for it
[10:49] <Symbiot> johnni bruger ikke gummistvler
[10:49] <yaaar> does ubuntu not make use of the full debian apt library? in particular, I'm looking for a package for asterisk....my asterisk howto suggests debian as a distro with excellent support, and i've got this ubuntu box that was just sort of lying around......but apt-cache search asterisk doesn't turn anything up?
[10:49] <andreas> Rdgrd med flde
[10:49] <Xappe> hmm, i'm planning to install Hoary on my ibook, what do you recommend; upgrade from clean warty install or a Hoary snapshot (array 6 or so)?
[10:50] <Symbiot> haha
[10:50] <andreas> Hejsa! du har et lille problem emd dit charset s pas p de ikke bliver sure p dig...
[10:50] <error_29> snoop, it's in there
[10:50] <aeolist> xappe: hoary snapshot
[10:50] <Xappe> i've always experienced easy upgrades on x86 pc:s
[10:50] <farruinn> yaaar: universe is enabled?
[10:50] <Symbiot> woopsie
[10:50] <error_29> search  "linux-source" -- search "description and name"
[10:50] <error_29> er,sorry
[10:50] <andreas> Hvad er det for nogle alger du lider under?
[10:50] <yaaar> farruinn: my sources file looks the same as that suggested at ubuntuguide.org
[10:50] <snoop_> okay i think i am downloading the source now..
[10:51] <farruinn> yaaar: you could add a deb-src line for sid and do it that I suppose
[10:51] <error_29> I'm an idiot snoop, 'cause i don't know which repositories you've got --anyway, mine has it marked as "supported" by ubuntu
[10:51] <Xappe> aeolist, why?
[10:51] <Symbiot> det er vist mest penselalger...
[10:51] <Symbiot> tror jeg
[10:52] <aeolist> xappe: easier, safer, quicker
[10:52] <snoop_> alright...i just put in the main and unuverse and i got the sources..
[10:52] <andreas> Hi guys... I`m having trouble persuading Symbiot that Ubuntu really is better than XP. Would anyone like to help me in this task?
[10:52] <Symbiot> hehe
[10:52] <yaaar> farruinn: will that interfere with my existing sources? Like, if they have different versions of the same packages? And does it cause any problems to mix in normal debian packages in ubuntu?
[10:52] <aeolist> xappe: ppl have had probs changing xfree86 for xorg etc... why go into all that trouble?
[10:52] <djp> does anyone know if there is a working app to create vcd/svcds with ubuntu yet?
[10:52] <andreas> Hmm... Tager dvrg sugemaller ikke dem?
[10:52] <Symbiot> hmm
[10:52] <Symbiot> ved jeg ikke
[10:53] <Xappe> aeolist, because i have my pile of warty cd:s right here on my desk
[10:53] <Symbiot> jeg ved at SAE gr..
[10:53] <andreas> Det er jeg alts ret sikker p
[10:53] <Symbiot> s dem skal jeg have fingre i
[10:53] <brenton> I'm a linux newbie, how do I change my monitor type
[10:53] <snoop_> error_29: i believe the source has successfully installed
[10:53] <andreas> *s* Jeg skal ogs have sparket kresten til staden for  at kbe en hndfuld til mig
[10:53] <gfxstyler> andreas & symbiot: i had to stop talking german, so you now stop talking ..whatever language you use :)
[10:53] <Symbiot> hahaha
[10:53] <aeolist> xappe: that's not a good excuse :)
[10:53] <Symbiot> n, jeg vil i seng..... snork godt...
[10:53] <error_29> not to be difficult, andreas, but better at what?  It's apples and oranges, as far as I'm concerned.  So far xp is a hell of a lot better at booting up fast, not draining my battery, and not running my cpu at full throttle for no reason
[10:53] <andreas> gfx: please?
[10:53] <andreas> Pretty please?
[10:54] <error_29> but in general, I do think ubuntu is better
[10:54] <orospakr> What is the ID of the key that signed the packages in hoary? I don't want to see the "cannot very packages" message from apt.
[10:54] <gfxstyler> andreas: what? i dont understand what you mean,sorry
[10:54] <orospakr> s/very/verify/
[10:54] <aeolist> xappe: whatever you do remember to install a cpu - specific kernel
[10:54] <Xappe> aeolist, of course
[10:54] <snoop_> error_29: after the install, i tried to install it again...still gave me the same error
[10:55] <andreas> gfx: Can` t we just have a conversation? A quick one? We`ll dump the silly letter () if they`re bothering you
[10:55] <djp> anyone know of an app to create vcd/svcd's under ubuntu?
[10:55] <gfxstyler> snoop_: you have to install the sources of the kernel you use at the moment
[10:55] <geppy|away> djp: k3B
[10:56] <gfxstyler> andreas: not that you are bothering me, but maybe others have problems, because they told me to stop speaking german too. so feel free to continue :)
[10:57] <error_29> All I want to know is what the hell "snork godt" means, or if you made it up!  Snork godt!
[10:57] <andreas> gfx: I`m actually a bit hurt that you cannot recognize the language. We are neighbours you know..*lol*
[10:57] <djp> geppy|away: what i am looking for is a program that will allow me to convert .mov, .avi files into mpeg2 files. k3b would allow me to burn the final .cue/.bin files, but i can do that with cdrecord anyway.
[10:57] <snoop_> gfxstyler: silly querstion but how do i know? i installed the 386 install disk last night..
[10:57] <geppy|away> gjp: transcode
[10:58] <andreas> error: LOL "Snork godt" means sweat dreams.
[10:58] <Xappe> we should hold the danish people short, or they will take over the whole channel :) (hehe, yes, i'm a swede)
[10:58] <gfxstyler> andreas: sorry for hurting you, i simply dont know
[10:58] <djp> geppy|away: yeah, i know, had that working wonderfully using the tovid script under fc3 but transcode is bust in ubuntu at present
[10:59] <gfxstyler> snoop_: i guess you use the 2.6.8 kernel
[10:59] <andreas> Hehe! Xappe: At least we can hold our booze ;-)
[10:59] <Xappe> andreas, ahahaha...no you can't. i've seen you at the roskilde festival ;)
[10:59] <geppy|away> djp:  Compile from source? I don't know what to say.
[10:59] <snoop_> gfxstyler: i downloaded the <IP_ADDRESS> source
[10:59] <andreas> Xappe: Weren`t you passed out?? LOL
[10:59] <Xappe> andreas, :)
[11:00] <gfxstyler> snoop_: why dont you install ndiswrapper out of synaptic? its available as package there
[11:00] <error_29> thanks for the translation, Andreas.  "Snork" is sweet?
[11:00] <andreas> comhem.se - another Swede?
[11:00] <Xappe> yes
[11:00] <andreas> error: "Snork" is "dream". To be frank it means "snorring"
[11:00] <error_29> that's about the least onomatopoeic word I've ever heard... ;)
[11:01] <farruinn> is there a way to convince apt that package A doesn't need to depend on package B? (because the developers are silly and A actually needs C)?
[11:01] <Xappe> andreas, comhem = telia cable
[11:01] <snoop_> wow...cant believe i didnt try synaptic and using the mainrepositories...it is installed now..
[11:01] <djp> geppy|away: no probs. i think it is apparant that i will have to wait for a later ubuntu release and then give my vcd/svcd creation urges a feed! love ubuntu too much to change just because of that one issue
[11:01] <error_29> I wonder if English "snore" could be derived from something like "snork" !
[11:01] <andreas> Both of you guys: I see
[11:01] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Get the source and change the dependencies? =P
[11:01] <geppy|away> djp:  Yeah, same here. =)
[11:01] <gfxstyler> farruinn: maybe you can use --force or something like that?
[11:02] <error_29> oops, sorry andreas, I'm not reading well here
[11:02] <snoop_> gfxstyler: what do i have to do now to get my linksys card going?
[11:02] <andreas> error: I think it works the other way around
[11:02] <error_29> you did say snoring..
[11:02] <andreas> yes
[11:02] <windows-farhan> i saw in the package lists that ubuntu has speakup support..for the blind is this true?
[11:02] <andreas> Well.... Let`s get down to business
[11:02] <gfxstyler> snoop_: if you have installed ndiswrapper, you have to get the windows drivers for your card
[11:02] <snoop_> gfxstyler: got them on a cd..
[11:03] <andreas> What`s all this about a "Kubuntu" distro? It kinda destroys Ubuntus role on the market
[11:03] <windows-farhan> wait. ndswaper. i've hurd of that
[11:03] <windows-farhan> or something\]
[11:03] <windows-farhan> yah i hurd about the new kde thingy
[11:03] <gfxstyler> snoop_: if you have them, open a console, go to the directory and then use "ndiswrapper -i yourinifile.ini". the yourinifile.ini is the ini file of your card drivers
[11:03] <farruinn> geppy|away: yeah... too bad I don't know how
[11:03] <Riddell> andreas: it's top secret, if you've heard about it we will have to kill you (or bribe you, one or the other)
[11:03] <snoop_> gfxstyler: alright will try now...
[11:04] <windows-farhan> wait. can anyone tell me if speakup support is in the ubuntu iso?
[11:04] <andreas> riddell: I prefer taking the bribe
[11:04] <error_29> andreas, I like the idea of ubuntuizing kde, but i don't think they should call it "kubuntu"
[11:04] <windows-farhan> i have debian currently on this box
[11:04] <snoop_> gfxstyler: got one called wlan.ini...
[11:04] <andreas> error: What is tyhere to gain by doing it?
[11:04] <andreas> there
[11:05] <error_29> what I really wish is for some genius to somehow merge gnome and kde, just the best parts, and get rid of the crap
[11:05] <error_29> I like the kde kicker a lot better than the gnome panels, and I prefer konqueror to nautilus
[11:05] <andreas> Hmm... I would hate to see Hoary ship with KDE as default
[11:05] <boxemall> hi folks!
[11:06] <error_29> but kde as it stands is overkill
[11:06] <geppy|away> farruinn: 'sudo apt-get source foo'
[11:06] <[DRWN] Atheist> knoq is very nice
[11:06] <[DRWN] Atheist> konq
[11:06] <geppy|away> farruinn: Then just edit the debian/control file
[11:06] <boxemall> got one problem! just installed warty array 6 and got no sound with terratex dmx 6 fire (was no problem under suse so far)
[11:06] <windows-farhan> hoary and wordy whats the differents?
[11:06] <windows-farhan> ?
[11:06] <mcphail> k3b would be lovely in GTK clothing
[11:06] <gfxstyler> snoop_: then you have to open a terminal/console, go to the drivers directory and use "ndiswrapper -i wlan.ini", then watch if its installed with "ndiswrapper -l" and if its present, use "ndiswrapper -m" to make an wlan0 alias to your card. if you have made the alias, you can config your card with "iwconfig" (e.g. iwconfig wlan0 - to get a list of the commands use iwconfig --help)
[11:06] <andreas> farhan: auto update and other nifty features
[11:06] <dazed> hey can =anyone help me with burning a cd?
[11:07] <error_29> I agree andreas, shouldn't be a default, but a nicely configured ubuntu styled, stripped down version of kde as an option would be cool
[11:07] <windows-farhan> does horry have support for the blind yet?
[11:07] <geppy|away> mcphail:  That's what I'm looking at. =/
[11:07] <Xappe> dazed, what's your problem?
[11:07] <Tomcat_> [23:05:53]  [error_29]  what I really wish is for some genius to somehow merge gnome and kde, just the best parts, and get rid of the crap <--- xfce? /me ducks :D
[11:07] <boxemall> does anyone here know how to fix my sound problem?
[11:07] <windows-farhan> hmm
[11:07] <andreas> error: I disagree. Gnome ber alles!
[11:07] <error_29> Tomcat?
[11:07] <gfxstyler> Tomcat_: xfce rocks
[11:07] <farruinn> geppy|away: ok, do I need to run debian/rules build again or can I just run debian/rules binary?
[11:07] <mcphail> geppy|away: You planning on using the C++ wrappers for GTK? Or rewriting in C?
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> hey, what was the thingy in kde called from where you could browse directories like "start menu -> apps ->" ? and is there a similar thingy for gnome?
[11:08] <Tomcat_> gfxstyler: Yeah, it's good. :)
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> sorry, but I can't explain it properly :-\
[11:08] <geppy|away> farruinn: You should just need to run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' from the main dir
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> and directories as in from the hard drive
[11:08] <geppy|away> mcphail:  Not sure, I've never used QT before, so this would be a learning experience if I got off of the ground
[11:09] <geppy|away> Fator_Dee: Konqueror?
[11:09] <farruinn> geppy|away: I've already built the source once, I'm wondering if I can skip the build step... (I don't see why not)
[11:09] <error_29> Fator_Dee, I think you mean the kde "quick browser"
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> error_29: yes
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> thats it
[11:09] <geppy|away> farruinn: I don't know, try it. =)
[11:09] <error_29> I hate the current gnome menus.
[11:09] <farruinn> geppy|away: ok, that's all I needed :)
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> is there similar one for gnome?
[11:09] <geppy|away> =)
[11:09] <boxemall> anyone knows how to fix sound problem on warty?
[11:09] <Pakal> Is possible to use Expos on Ubuntu hoarty?
[11:10] <omirix> http://awib.ablenet.org:6928 - DJ Omirix broadcasting or Ablenet - THANKYOU
[11:10] <snoop_>  i did "ndiswrapper -l it said :    Installed ndis drivers:
[11:10] <gfxstyler> boxemall: what for sound problems?
[11:10] <snoop_> wlan.ini        hardware NOT present
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> I mean, thats the only thing I miss from kde
[11:10] <WillCooke> any mplayer / mencoder experts in?
[11:10] <dazed> i dunno how to even start to burn a cd
[11:10] <gfxstyler> snoop_: then its the wrong .ini file or your hardware is not supported
[11:10] <andreas> fator: Do you mean something like "Run"?
[11:10] <boxemall> gfxstyler: just installed (finished a few secs ago, so it's a fresh system) warty array 6
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> andreas: quick browser, like error_29 said
[11:11] <snoop_> gfxstyler: how about the autorun.inf ?
[11:11] <Xappe> dazed, install a decent cd burning app first. I use graveman on Hoary...
[11:11] <boxemall> gfxstyler: my soundcard (terratec dmx 6fire) does not work
[11:11] <mcphail> omirix: stop spamming the channels
[11:11] <andreas> Fator: Epipahny?
[11:11] <gfxstyler> snoop_: no thats a totally wrong file :)
[11:11] <dazed> im on warty...
[11:11] <dazed> do they have graveman?
[11:11] <error_29> Well, Fator_Dee, I installed kde just so i could use the kicker, which includes that quick browser, in gnome.  I never log into kde itself.  Wasting a lot os space like this, but it works
[11:11] <snoop_> gfxstyler: ok...dound it ...
[11:11] <snoop_> * found..
[11:12] <Xappe> dazed, hmm, search for it with synaptic
[11:12] <gfxstyler> snoop_: if "ndiswrapper -l" returns a "hardware present" , dont forget to do "ndiswrapper -m"
[11:12] <farruinn> geppy: it worked, thanks!
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> error_29: well, I don't want to waste my space so :-/
[11:12] <andreas> We really should have a hoary and a warty channel
[11:12] <dazed> graveman?
[11:13] <R0bNyc> anyone has gnomad2
[11:13] <R0bNyc> it doesnt work for me
[11:13] <error_29> there are some very cool little applets in kde though
[11:13] <geppy> farruinn: Glad to hear it! =)
[11:13] <dazed> Xappe: is it called graveman?
[11:13] <Xappe> yes
[11:13] <dazed> NO FIND
[11:13] <dazed> whoops
[11:13] <dazed> soprry
[11:13] <geppy> graveman is practically useless
[11:13] <geppy> pretty, though
[11:13] <Xappe> geppy, why useless?
[11:14] <dazed> geppy whats a good burning app
[11:14] <Xappe> I like it
[11:14] <andreas> dazed: k3b
[11:14] <geppy> Xappe:  It lacks the features of KDE that I need, like audio/video/dvd
[11:14] <geppy> dazed: K3B, like andreas said =)
[11:14] <Xappe> geppy, mine has mp3 and ogg --> audio cd support
[11:15] <Xappe> and I don't need to burn dvd:s
[11:15] <geppy> Xappe:  Well, I mostly only burn DVDs =)
[11:15] <gfxstyler> see you guys :)
[11:15] <andreas> Bye
[11:15] <socomm> I wonder what gfxstyler is doing.
[11:15] <dazed> well im just trying to burn some cds
[11:15] <dazed> no dvd burner yet
[11:15] <Xappe> geppy, hard to do that if don't have a dvd burner
[11:15] <socomm> dazed: cdrecord.
[11:15] <djp> i use cdrecord to do my burning
[11:16] <erik_> hello
[11:16] <andreas> Cut!
[11:16] <geppy> Xappe:  understood. =)
[11:16] <andreas> Now it`s my turn to ask
[11:16] <socomm> If I'm not mistaken cdrecord is also compatible with DVD burners.
[11:16] <andreas> Where do Is et the default splash screen in Hoary?
[11:16] <andreas> I set
[11:16] <Xappe> andreas, gnome splash?
[11:16] <andreas> yes
[11:17] <socomm> andreas: gconf
[11:17] <socomm> andreas: gconf-editor
[11:17] <Xbe> I'm trying to read files from a windows share
[11:17] <andreas> socom: So i save the damn thing somewhere and edit gconf?
[11:17] <JStrike> What provides xerces-c? It doesn't seem to be libxerces23. Is it libxerces23-dev?
[11:17] <Xbe> but it wont't work
[11:17] <Xbe> Gnome doesn't ask for a password
[11:17] <socomm> JStrike: libxerces-dev
[11:17] <Xbe> wat can i do?
[11:18] <socomm> Xbe: Pray.
[11:18] <Xbe> Come on! I'm new here :-)
[11:18] <socomm> andreas: Point gconf-editor to your splash screen.
[11:18] <Xbe> Surely somebody can help me
[11:18] <andreas> Xbe: Did you set one while installing?
[11:18] <andreas> socom: Will try.. Thanks!
[11:19] <socomm> andreas: Good luck.
[11:19] <Xbe> andreas: how do you mean?
[11:19] <snoop_> anyone, hardware problem too...i have a linksys wireless card in the computer and the devide manager picks it up, BUT it is not given a name line eth0 or anything....any ideas?
[11:19] <Xbe> I just need to connect to a win2000 server
[11:19] <Xappe> i've never installed linux on a ppc before. anything that I need to bare in mind?
[11:20] <farruinn> Xappe: what model?
[11:20] <Anubis> I was wonder why all the updates
[11:20] <Albacker> guys, I've just installed beatrix. a debian-like distro. but I cant get my modem working. I've configured the /etc/ppp/peers files and the /etc/ configs like wvdial.conf. but when i do wvdial ppp0. it sais that no dial phone, even thought I can connect to the internet using WinXP. any idea about this ?
[11:20] <Anubis> thne i thought
[11:20] <Xappe> farruinn, ibook g3
[11:20] <Anubis> has Gnome gone final?
[11:20] <Anubis> 2.10 right?
[11:20] <farruinn> Xappe: as long as it doesn't have airport extreme (which I don't think those came with) you should be golden
[11:21] <tizen> dammit... i just crashed OpenOffice by asking for help
[11:21] <tizen> lol
[11:21] <socomm> Albacker: You're in the wrong channel.
[11:21] <kent> Albacker, there is no irc channel for Beatrix? most of the time its better to ask the ones who has responsibel for it,
[11:21] <Xappe> farruinn, no airport at all I think. i've never used it, I can't stand osx 10.1.4 that's now installed and will be erased
[11:22] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[11:22] <Albacker> socomm, kent, I asked here because beatrix, and ubuntu are very similar with each other. anyway thank you.
[11:22] <Thanateremesis> hi
[11:22] <Thanateremesis> what are more new? hoary or warty ?
[11:22] <Xappe> farruinn, is it easy to revert to osx if I need to (the ibook is leased by my fathers company)
[11:22] <socomm> Albacker: Try #debian.
[11:22] <kent> Thanateremesis, Hoary  - but is the unstable branch. Soon to be stable..
[11:23] <geppy> I think that I should probably reboot.  After a week's worth of Hoary upgrades, my computer is starting to do funny things
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> ok...
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> and warty are "minimalment stable" ?
[11:23] <geppy> Like with the new volume manager, I'm getting two different kinds of icons for mounted CDs/DVDs
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> SID from debian are "very stable", runs all good,
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> the warty runs good ?
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> in equivalence..
[11:23] <tizen> Thanateremesis: I've been running hoary for the last week or so, only a couple minor bugs so far
[11:24] <kent> Thanateremesis, Is not SID the unstable branch of Debian?
[11:24] <tizen> similar to when i used Debian Unstable
[11:24] <dampjam> what bugs are in hoary?
[11:24] <dazed> hey all im trying to mount a windows folder to transfer some files and i get an error i never seen before
[11:24] <Xbe> dazed: same problem here
[11:24] <socomm> dampjam: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[11:24] <dampjam> thanks
[11:24] <Thanateremesis> yes kent, SID are the unestable branch... and are good works...
[11:24] <Xbe> I keep getting a login failure
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> ok, hoary are a unstable "runs good" Im use..
[11:25] <farruinn> Xappe: as long as you have the install discs, yes, quite easy
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> is for use the XORG packages from the ubuntu
[11:25] <dampjam> thanateremesis: runs well
[11:25] <socomm> Thanateremesis: Not on warty.
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> oh
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> good
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> thx
[11:25] <Xappe> farruinn, just erase partitions and install?
[11:25] <dazed> 19214: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[11:26] <farruinn> Xappe: yup, if the 10.1 installer is anything like 10.2 it should be easy
[11:26] <socomm> Thanateremesis: Xorg was brought into after hoary.
[11:26] <snoop_> everybody: got a wireless card that is in the computer but is not being given a name(like eth0) but it is detected in the device manager... Any ideas ??
[11:26] <pestilence> has anyone installed vim-gtk in warty successfully?  i get broken dependencies.
[11:26] <dampjam> damn here is a bug, I go to buzilla.ubuntulinux.org, and when I press accept permanently firefox crashes
[11:26] <pestilence> vim-gtk: Depends: vim (= 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2) but 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2.2 is to be installed
[11:26] <Xbe> snoop_: type of portable?
[11:27] <error_29> folks, I'm doing a "smart upgrade" in synaptic, from warty to hoary, and I noticed that synaptic itself is marked for removal-- is there a different app in hoary that functions the same way?
[11:27] <snoop_> i got a linksys wireless card (wmp54g) Broadcom..
[11:27] <socomm> snoop_: What's the problem?
[11:28] <mcphail> pestilence: no such problems here
[11:28] <Xappe> farruinn, fair enough :) I'm sure my father will find ubuntu more easy to use than osx when i've managed to get it all set up (and that should not be a big problem, have used Hoary for over four months now)
[11:28] <socomm> I don't think wirless cards will be picked up as eth0 :^/
[11:28] <mdz> socomm: they are when there is a driver for them
[11:28] <mdz> unfortunately the broadcom doesn't fall into that category
[11:28] <pestilence> mcphail: i think i have screwed up my system by having hoary and warty repositories in my sources.list
[11:28] <mcphail> pestilence: sounds like it
[11:28] <mdz> snoop_: I think ndiswrapper is the only option for that device
[11:28] <Xbe> I need Nautilus to ask for windows share password. How can I force Nautilus to do this?
[11:28] <WillCooke> I thought wireless cards presented themselves as wnic0 instead of eth0
[11:28] <socomm> Interesting. I'll keep that in mind, if ever I buy a wireless card.
[11:29] <pestilence> but i have hoary pinned to 50, and i really don't think i have much of anything installed from it
[11:29] <snoop_> Xbe: it is in the computer and IS detected by the device manager, but it is not given a name and when i use ndiswrapper, it says hardware not detected...
[11:29] <windows-farhan> should i try to install it and install haury?
[11:29] <windows-farhan> hmm
[11:29] <snoop_> mdz: i was trying to use it when it says hardware not found..
[11:29] <windows-farhan> mdz the new haury has the speakup support right?
[11:29] <Xbe> snoop_: I had the same problem and it turned out to be a irq conflict
[11:30] <mdz> windows-farhan: no, not as such
[11:30] <snoop_> Xbe: irq??
[11:30] <WillCooke> snoop, how many ".inf" files are there included with the driver.  I had three with a linksys card, and only one of the worked, and it wasn't the one I thought it would be
[11:30] <socomm> Can't one use festival. :^/
[11:30] <windows-farhan> then why do i see the curnel in the package list? ...
[11:30] <windows-farhan> i see the speakup 2.4 currnel
[11:30] <gino4466> haury...curnel...
[11:30] <gino4466> :(
[11:30] <windows-farhan> so
[11:30] <Scognito> hi all
[11:30] <socomm> gino4466: It's hoary not "huary".
[11:31] <Scognito> where i can get mono repository for ubuntu?
[11:31] <gino4466> .....i know
[11:31] <windows-farhan> if i probly wanted to install it ith speakup its either linux speakupsynth=txprt or something
[11:31] <jk> hurray? :)
[11:31] <windows-farhan> or is it speakup speakup_synth=txprt
[11:31] <windows-farhan> i don'tno
[11:31] <gino4466> *points at windows-farhan* he started it
[11:31] <snoop_> WillCooke: I have tried to use the setup.ini , wlan.ini, and bcmwlf.inf.......none of them work...cause it says hardware not detected..
[11:31] <JStrike> Scognito : There are old versions in universe or multiverse
[11:32] <windows-farhan> it was in the universe
[11:32] <Scognito> why don't getsweaaa works anymore?
[11:32] <WillCooke> snoop, Hmm - looking at that list I would have expected it to be bcmwlf.inf
[11:32] <windows-farhan> i just wanted to install speakup
[11:32] <WillCooke> snoop, sorry, what card is it?
[11:32] <windows-farhan> with ubuntu
[11:32] <snoop_> wmp54g linksys card (broadcom)
[11:32] <JStrike> I would really love a daily build of mono and relevant apps for Ubuntu
[11:32] <JStrike> Would make life so much easier
[11:33] <windows-farhan> so i guss i'm wasty bandwith
[11:33] <windows-farhan> i guess i'm wastying bandwithlol
[11:33] <socomm> JStrike: Why don't you start said project?
[11:33] <Scognito> JStrike, cannot install muine anymore
[11:33] <WillCooke> snoop, can you do a "lspci" and tell me the number at the end that corresponds to your card (hex number in the format xxxx:xxxx)
[11:34] <JStrike> socomm : Dont know anything about debian or .debs
[11:34] <snoop_> here it is :0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller]  (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x]  (rev c1)
[11:34] <Scognito> ah ok removing getsweaaa it works
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0e.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00b0 (rev c1)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:10.0 Communication controller: Conexant HCF 56k Data/Fax/Voice/Spkp Modem (rev 08)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:11.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> whoops : its that last one there..
[11:34] <socomm> JStrike: No better time then the present to learn.
[11:34] <gino4466> dear god help us all
[11:34] <windows-farhan> so yeh i tryed to downloaded that new thing with gnome thing that that guy put up
[11:35] <socomm> snoop_: Don't paste more than 4 lines.
[11:35] <WillCooke> sorry, 'lspci -n' - just show the one for your wireless card
[11:35] <JStrike> socomm : And building all the stuff takes quite a few hours on my pc, which wont really do
[11:35] <snoop_> socomm: sorry...wont happen again..
[11:35] <socomm> JStrike: You could have it build over night. :^/
[11:35] <WillCooke> snoop, sorry, 'lspci -n' - just show the one for your wireless card
[11:36] <JStrike> socomm : And uploading via 56k modem is also a problem :-)
[11:36] <gino4466> JStrike: i feel for you
[11:36] <socomm> JStrike: Excuses, excuses.
[11:36] <snoop_> willlcooke, 0000:00:11.0 Class 0280: 14e4:4320 (rev 03)
[11:37] <snoop_> i think thats it anyways...came up with a bunch of stuff..
[11:37] <gino4466> brb, you ossholes
[11:38] <tizen> You guys think gino's having sound problems?
[11:38] <tizen> lol
[11:38] <danny666> is there anybody who has nvu running on ubuntu
[11:38] <WillCooke> snoop, OK, well the good news is that it does work with ndiswrapper.  Are you using this driver > ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/WMP54GS_20040423.exe
[11:38] <knucks> anyone else have problems ripping a CD in k3b?
[11:38] <WillCooke> danny666, Yup
[11:39] <danny666> was there any problems installing it?
[11:39] <Xappe> danny666, yes
[11:39] <snoop_> willcooke, i was using the cd that came with it...
[11:39] <Xappe> danny666, but i've yet to use it :)
[11:39] <knucks> anyone?
[11:40] <danny666> i want to install it on my system to try if i can throw away dreamweaver
[11:40] <WillCooke> danny666, No, it works fine.
[11:40] <Xappe> danny666, there's an installation guide on the wiki I think
[11:40] <knucks> help me
[11:41] <WillCooke> snoop, OK, I think you *have* to use the one from that link.  I'm guessing that .exe is actually a zip.  Download and try and unzip it
[11:41] <mdke_laptop> quick question. I edited /etc/hdparm.conf yesterday and I used the template for a non-devfs system, as instructed by some people in the chan. This works fine if I restart hdparm after booting, but not at the boot stage, as it can't find the device (/dev/hdc). What should I do? I could 1) change the hdparm settings (I'm not sure how to do this) or 2) get the hdparm service to start later in the boot process. Any suggestions welcome!! thanks
[11:42] <danny666> is there a way somebody can do a prot for apt
[11:42] <danny666> sorry port
[11:42] <WillCooke> danny666, I think I downloaded the "linspire" one
[11:42] <kent> what program should i use to play .swf files in Ubuntu  (Hoary)?
[11:42] <mdke_laptop> kent, firefox should do it
[11:42] <WillCooke> kent, mplayer or the flash plugin for firefox
[11:43] <danny666> linspire?
[11:43] <snoop_> willcooke, it says exe file, want me to rename to zip and try and unzip?
[11:43] <geppy> run KDE =/
[11:43] <danny666> never heard of that
[11:43] <kent> WillCooke, are you sure mplayer should do it? I have mplayer and the w32codecs, but it wont play it :(
[11:43] <geppy> *runs
[11:43] <WillCooke> kent, Hmm, works for me.
[11:43] <geppy> danny666:  Linspire runs KDE
[11:43] <WillCooke> snoop, no need to rename, just try unzip <filename.exe>
[11:43] <geppy> WillCooke: I think it might need access to them at compile time
[11:43] <dstevens> hi all, im running a laptop sony pcg-z1rmp  uname-a "Linux ghost 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Wed Mar 2 06:11:58 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linu" Should i really be running a 686 kernel ? is there one with ubuntu.
[11:44] <WillCooke> geppy, Ahh, could be, I compiled from source.  (major P I T A)
[11:44] <geppy> WillCooke:  Yeah.
[11:44] <geppy> Does 2.6.11 work for anybody here?  I tried booting to it, but it hung when I got to my desktop.
[11:44] <WillCooke> danny666, http://cvs.nvu.com/download/nvu-0.81-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2
[11:44] <snoop_> willcooke, alright, got it..
[11:44] <WillCooke> snoop, sweet, how many .inf files there?
[11:45] <kent> WillCooke, when i run mplayer from gnome terminal, it writes about xmms before it exits.  That seems very strange to me..  I started mplayer, not xmms, and why should mplayer use xmms, i have never heard of that before.. :(
[11:45] <knucks> come on guys. PLEASE. I havent been able to get it working
[11:45] <knucks> Im ripping a cd right now and its takin FOREVER
[11:45] <knucks> going at likr .04x
[11:45] <mako> hey folks.. anyone want to help me test the new shipit before the preview announcement tomorrow?
[11:45] <mcphail> dstevens: The 686 kernel is very good. Much better performance on my laptop.
[11:45] <geppy> knucks: Ripping a CD is pretty intensive.
[11:45] <Xappe> dstevens, you can use apt-get to get a -686 kernel
[11:45] <WillCooke> kent, Odd!
[11:45] <snoop_> willcooke, two inf files.
[11:45] <knucks> geppy: seriously?
[11:45] <WillCooke> snoop, ok, one called autorun.inf?
[11:46] <mako> if you create a new test account, tell me when you're done so i can delete it
[11:46] <geppy> knucks: Yes, seriously.
[11:46] <knucks> its never taken this long on winxp
[11:46] <knucks> not even CLOSE to this
[11:46] <geppy> knucks: What're you using?
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> knucks: and depends what kind of quality you are going to get
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Then use WinXP.
[11:46] <snoop_> willcooke, yup
[11:46] <knucks> i tried the one that came w/ ubuntu..
[11:46] <WillCooke> snoop, ok ignore that one
[11:46] <knucks> but that was slow
[11:46] <knucks> so itried k3b
[11:46] <knucks> and its still really slow..
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Give grip a shot.
[11:46] <snoop_> willcooke, ok
[11:46] <danny666> willCooke: thx
[11:46] <knucks> and its not in mp3 format
[11:46] <holy_cow> hey guys
[11:46] <knucks> grip?
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> grip is good
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Yes.
[11:46] <HcE> knucks: dma error or something? bad CD? copy-protected "CD"
[11:46] <kent> WillCooke, but it works in the epiphany browser. :)
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Perhaps you need to enable DMA on your drives.
[11:46] <holy_cow> i installed gnome cups manager ... would anyone know how to give a user access to it so they can add printers or delete print jobs?
[11:46] <Alinux> gip is the best.
[11:47] <dstevens> *, cheers will check apt out
[11:47] <holy_cow> root can manage print jobs fine, but when users are prompted for a root pass it doesn't accept it.  ideally no pass would be require
[11:47] <Alinux> grip I mean :D
[11:47] <holy_cow> d
[11:47] <knucks> How do i enable DMA?
[11:47] <geppy> Is it 'hdaparm -ld /dev/hdx' to enable DMA?
[11:47] <holy_cow> any ideas?
[11:47] <knucks> or check if it is or now
[11:47] <geppy> knucks:  run 'hdparm' on your cd-rom
[11:47] <WillCooke> snoop, Right, hold on........
[11:47] <HcE> knucks: hdparm -d <device>
 ?
[11:47] <gilles> Why kernels in Ubuntu don't take into account high resolution and large screen ?
[11:48] <windows-farhan> question.
[11:48] <holy_cow> gilles, what does a kernel haveto do with monitor resolution?
[11:48] <windows-farhan> whats up with the ubuntu package list?
[11:48] <WillCooke> snoop, Right, the machine I was using with the wireless card is in bits at the moment, so all the following is from memory, correct commands as needed.....
[11:48] <windows-farhan> i see a screenreader in the haurry package list
[11:48] <snoop_> willcooke, ok thats cool..
[11:48] <geppy> windows-farhan: First:  Don't say "question"; thats _why_ people are here. Second:  Be specific.
[11:48] <knucks> what do i put for <device> ?
[11:49] <WillCooke> snoop, sudo ndis-wrapper -i <the other inf file.inf>
[11:49] <geppy> knucks:  /dev/hdx, where x is the device identifier.
[11:49] <WillCooke> snoop, brb
[11:49] <windows-farhan> i saw a speakup package in the universe package list its a kurrnel. ...
[11:49] <TomAraya> If I go from Warty to Hoary with that effect my NDISwrapper?
[11:49] <windows-farhan> a linux kurnel
[11:49] <knucks> how do i check?
[11:49] <knucks> I know that hdc is my hd..
[11:49] <geppy> knucks:  read /etc/fstab, and see what hdx is mapped to /media/cdrom
[11:49] <windows-farhan> and i was wondering if i could boot in to it
[11:49] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Install it, and boot into it.
[11:50] <WillCooke> tomaraya, shouldn't do
[11:50] <windows-farhan> no i ment at boot
[11:50] <WillCooke> snoop, ok back.  Did that work?
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  What?
[11:50] <knucks> dpoesnt wanna work..
[11:50] <windows-farhan> if i typed linux speakup_synth=keyword or speakup speakup_synth=keyword
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  When else would you boot into something?
[11:50] <TomAraya> WillCooke, when I upgraded my Kernel I had to reinstall NDISwrapper, I was wondering if Warty <-> Hoary would have same impact.
[11:50] <windows-farhan> in boot
[11:50] <windows-farhan> at the cd boot prompt
[11:50] <windows-farhan> i want to install with speech
[11:50] <TomAraya> Will I still be able to boot into Warty via grub?
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Why not just download kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup and boot that?
[11:50] <windows-farhan> and i see the kurnel ..
[11:50] <knucks> geppy what do i type in terminal to find it out?
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  First off, it's
[11:51] <windows-farhan> but is it in the cd by defalt?
[11:51] <dstevens> aptgetting linux-image-2.6.10-4-686 reboot back soon X
[11:51] <windows-farhan> or no
[11:51] <snoop_> it said its already installed (from the other set that i used i guess)..
[11:51] <WillCooke> tomaraya, If you use *stock* kernel's all the goodies should already be there.
[11:51] <geppy> windows-farhan:  "kernel";  please don't deliberately mispell things;  it's confusing, and annoying as hell
[11:51] <windows-farhan> is it in the cd?
[11:51] <windows-farhan> sorry
[11:51] <WillCooke> tomaraya, But I don't know for certain
[11:51] <geppy> knucks:  gedit /etc/fstab
[11:51] <geppy> knucks: you can read which line has /media/cdrom on it
[11:51] <windows-farhan> but is the speaup 2.4 in the cd by default
[11:51] <windows-farhan> speakup
[11:51] <WillCooke> snoop, still with us?
[11:51] <windows-farhan> i need that to install ubuntu
[11:51] <knucks> ok
[11:51] <snoop_> yup
[11:51] <windows-farhan> thats why i was wondering
[11:52] <TomAraya> WillCooke, well, I'll check it out.
[11:52] <knucks> ok its hdd
[11:52] <WillCooke> snoop, sorry missed your comment.
[11:52] <knucks> now what
[11:52] <snoop_> willcooke, said its already installed (from the other batch i used i guess)
[11:52] <geppy> knucks:  alright, run this: 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdd'
[11:52] <windows-farhan> cause i don't want to waste  cd
[11:52] <TomAraya> WillCooke, I'm mainly upgrading just because my Gaim isn't changing my name and I can't get Mplayer to work.
[11:52] <snoop_> willcooke, no prob
[11:52] <knucks> its off
[11:52] <WillCooke> snoop, is the ndis-wrapper module loaded?
[11:52] <geppy> TomAraya:  Try running '/name newname'?
[11:52] <knucks> =0 (0ff)
[11:52] <knucks> = 0
[11:52] <snoop_> willcooke, yea i installed it...
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, if so, sudo rmmod ndis-wrapper (is it with a '-'?)
[11:53] <snoop_> willcooke, no i dont think there is a '-'
[11:53] <geppy> knucks: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, ok sorry
[11:53] <TomAraya> geppy, it reflects on my end but others don't see it.
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, sudo ndiswrapper -l
[11:53] <windows-farhan> geppy is the speakup 2.4 included on the wordy or haury cds? so i can boot in to it in the install?
[11:53] <geppy> TomAraya: Are you talking about IRC, or something else?
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, what's it say?
[11:53] <TomAraya> geppy, Gaim.
[11:53] <gilles> holy_cow: the kernel runs the system, isn't it ? But during the running process it displays a lot of informations in a resolution that is not adapted to large screen that can also accept a better resolution
[11:53] <knucks> geppy: thansk
[11:53] <knucks> so should i try grip?
[11:53] <geppy> TomAraya:  If you're aliasing yourself, only you will see it;  if you're typing '/name whatever', it should be universal
[11:53] <knucks> can i get it on synaptic?
[11:54] <TomAraya2> geppy, I've always used /nick in IRC.
[11:54] <geppy> TomAraya2: Alright, cool
[11:54] <holy_cow> gilles, close but no banana, xserver runs the display
[11:54] <windows-farhan> should i burn this or not
[11:54] <windows-farhan> ..hmm
[11:54] <geppy> windows-farhan:  No.
[11:54] <holy_cow> gilles, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or reconfigure your x11 config file in /etc/X11
[11:54] <windows-farhan> so your saying not one of the ubuntu isos has speakup built in to it...
[11:54] <drspin> why do I only get sound from one channel??
[11:54] <geppy> windows-farhan: Yes, that's what I said.
[11:54] <drspin> only the left side works
[11:54] <kent> Has any one reported a bug against Hoary about files downloaded to Desktop is not shown directly? They only show up if i open Desktop as a folder from the Places menu and hit refresh from the menu :(
[11:55] <windows-farhan> hmmm
[11:55] <snoop_> tried to remove and it gave me some messg, i tried ndiswrapper -l ,and it gave this: bcmwl5  hardware NOT present
[11:55] <snoop_> setup.ini       hardware NOT present
[11:55] <WillCooke> soh - I've been trying to work out why this other machine won't boot from CD for about 5 mins now, it turns out I'd forgotten to bu the cd in.  Ooops
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i wonder why its in the package list then...
[11:55] <snoop_>  lan.ini  hardware NOT present
[11:55] <snoop_> woops..
[11:55] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Why not just install Hoary, and then install the speakup package?
[11:55] <drspin> kent: I believe this is fixed in Hoary
[11:55] <knucks> geppy: its going at .2 now
[11:55] <geppy> windows-farhan:  'tisn't exactly difficult
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i can't install haory with out speakup
[11:55] <windows-farhan> haury
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i'm blind here...
[11:55] <geppy> knucks: make sure that you aren't running all kinds of other stuff
[11:55] <windows-farhan> thats why i asked in the first place. lol
[11:55] <Alinux> Hi people, ATI Mobility Radeon X600 - is it works with new Ubuntu Hoary? Thank you for answer.
[11:55] <knucks> k..
[11:55] <|M0rph|> hello! i'm having troube installing the grub boot loader using the woary live cd, i need help ..
[11:55] <WillCooke> snoop, OK.  (do me a favour, if you're talking to me put "WillCooke, " at the start, then I can see your comments easily
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i got a debian enabled iso  speakup thing...
[11:55] <windows-farhan> and it talks...
[11:56] <Xappe> kent, oh it's a bug? i thought it was a way to piss off osx users once and for all :)
[11:56] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Understood;   I hadn't thought of not being able to install.
[11:56] <snoop_> willcooke, alright
[11:56] <windows-farhan> and i was wondering about that whole package list universe thing...
[11:56] <windows-farhan> so  yeh
[11:56] <WillCooke> snoop, sudo ndiswrapper -e lan.ini
[11:56] <Alinux> Hi people, ATI Mobility Radeon X600 - is it works with new Ubuntu Hoary? Thank you for answer.
[11:56] <Alinux> sorry fo repeating.
[11:56] <windows-farhan> it wouldn't be hard to include it in speakup though its just patches...
[11:56] <geppy> windows-farhan:  it's possible to build your own CD, but it's kind of a pain in the ass
[11:56] <gilles> holy_cow: I use xorg with hoary... the resolution has no problem once the desktop in ran, but from the start to the desktop, the system loading process has a bad resolution
[11:56] <geppy> windows-farhan: As far as I know, speakup is for 2.4;  Ubuntu uses 2.6
[11:56] <windows-farhan> its in  the package list though...
[11:57] <TomAraya> How do I go about installing Hoary from Warty, just go to the website and download an ISO?
[11:57] <snoop_> willcooke, says lan.ini is not installed...
[11:57] <windows-farhan> i don't get it i mean you could have a choice. right?
[11:57] <holy_cow> gilles, that has nothing to do with the kernel
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan: Right, but it's for 2.4
[11:57] <windows-farhan> hmm
[11:57] <snoop_> willcooke, the other one?
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan:  I'm confused.
[11:57] <windows-farhan> debian gave me a choice
[11:57] <windows-farhan> wait
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan: Perhaps you could have someone help you to install it?
[11:57] <schasi> TomAraya: You only have to change the sources.list
[11:57] <holy_cow> gilles, i forget where the settings for that are, but its got to do with framebuffer ... you can adjust that
[11:57] <windows-farhan> man i booted in to debian  install with speakup 2.4.  i had 3 ones...
[11:57] <holy_cow> i hope that gives you enough to google
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan:  After finishing the install, it'd be simple enough to install speakup
[11:57] <WillCooke> snoop, yeah, basically "sudo -e <whatever> until there's none loaded ( you can check by sudo ndiswrapper -l)
[11:57] <LTk> my ubuntu wobn't start up
[11:57] <windows-farhan> 3 of them. .6 2.4 speakup and 2.4 regular
[11:57] <LTk> when I log in
[11:57] <snoop_> willcooke, will do
[11:58] <LTk> the screen stays the caramel colour
[11:58] <dazed> k3b says unable to decode audio tracks
[11:58] <windows-farhan> maybe i should just stick to debian but i would really like that nice xautoconfig
[11:58] <windows-farhan> x autoconfig
[11:58] <knucks> still really slow
[11:58] <andreas> Can anyone please help me with gconf-editor?
[11:58] <|M0rph|> my grub boot loader stopped working after i created a new partition in windows. i've removed it and i'm trying to install it from ubuntu live cd ...
[11:58] <knucks> .3x
[11:58] <schasi> TomAraya: Did you search the web for ist?
[11:58] <snoop_> willcooke, aalright done..
[11:59] <TomAraya> schasi, 'ist'?
[11:59] <schasi> TomAraya: it
[11:59] <windows-farhan> i tryed to download that gnome enabled speaking live cd but the torrent or trakcer is broken...
[11:59] <schasi> ;-)
[11:59] <LTk> my ubuntu wont work. I have used it for a week, but all of the sudden it doesnt log in. I type in user and password then it stays on the sign on screen (caramel colour default) and doesn't load, what an I do?
[11:59] <windows-farhan> tracker
[11:59] <schasi> LTk: Try to log in via konsole
[11:59] <schasi> And look for errormessages
[11:59] <TomAraya> Schasi: I was doing a search at ubuntuforums.org for 'hoary upgrade' and couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking to find out.
[11:59] <LTk> schasi, how do i do that
[11:59] <andreas> LTK: LiveCD
[11:59] <schasi> press alt, ctrl and F1 at the same time
[12:00] <LTk> schasi, there are no error messagses
[12:00] <LTk> aight