[23:02] <mindos> chmod: 'linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run''e erişilemedi: No such file or directory
[23:02] <r00to33> is it bad to install all updates everytime i run update manager?
[23:02] <vonnick> Make sure you're in the right folder
[23:02] <gimbli> dataviruset: but you put all the files into "/etc/init" without the ".d" at the end (sorry, just to make things sure ;) )
[23:02] <vonnick> And check the name
[23:02] <LetsGo67> Please someone help!  It happens too much!
[23:02] <faryshta_> jongbergs, sorry, done and failed.
[23:02] <vonnick> also make sure the dashes aren't supposed to be underscores
[23:03] <dataviruset> gimbli: yes
[23:03] <vonnick> I do that alot
[23:03] <fcuk112> taofd: i don't see how it would interfere.
[23:03] <taofd> fcuk112, i tried setting it to another key combination... but it doesn't seem tow ork
[23:03] <irnmn> Does the distro you run have anything to do with game performance in Wine
[23:03] <r00to33> LetsGo67, Could be hardware related, check your temperatures
[23:03] <mindos> vonnick, name is true and it is in desktop. terminal is in desktop too
[23:03] <taofd> fcuk112, when you are selecting files/folders using your keyboard, you use space to select ... if I am selecting multiple files .. i hold down contrl
[23:03] <jak> sfdf
[23:03] <LetsGo67> r00to33 how?
[23:03] <gimbli> dataviruset: sorry, then i really have to pass and i am clueless :/
[23:03] <r00to33> LetsGo67, BIOS
[23:03] <taofd> fcuk112, it would interfere, because IBUS would keep popping up
[23:04] <vonnick> Hm
[23:04] <MK13> i have noticed that on this site it says broadcom cards support master mode, but i do not understand what it say about getting it to work (or of any alternatives) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/MasterMode
[23:04] <dataviruset> gimbli: well, no problem, hehe. i could always start the interfaces with crontab ;D
[23:04] <vonnick> Are you doing the command as root?
[23:04] <jongbergs> faryshta_: i felt sorry for it, we need some time to get it fixed : )
[23:04] <dataviruset> gimbli: not cool, but it works :P
[23:04] <mindos> not root. as admin
[23:04] <mindos> how can i do it as root. i m newbie in linux
[23:05] <vonnick> sudo chmod +x
[23:05] <gimbli> dataviruset: of course. but this might also get interessting later on because i think a lot of distributions will switch if they havent by now
[23:05] <fcuk112> taofd: ok i just tried that in nautilus and it doesn't interfere.  ibus only pops up in apps that support it i guess.
[23:05] <vonnick> sudo gives root privileges to whatever command you run it with
[23:05] <vonnick> it's temporary
[23:05] <gimbli> dataviruset: but could you do me a last favor and paste to the dump what "initctl list" displays ?
[23:05] <taofd> fcuk112, okay let me give it a try...
[23:05] <mindos> oh thanks vonnick
[23:05] <dataviruset> gimbli: hmm, maybe... but i think i'll do a clean install of 9.10 soon on this machine, it's all buggy after the upgrade, not good. or perhaps it's better to wait for 10.04 LTS
[23:06] <woble> dataviruset, never, never upgrade
[23:06] <esde> woble why dont upgrade
[23:06] <mgv2> how do i disable google at the a-b?
[23:06] <slayton> has anybody else had problems with the WindowList applet not letting you select an application in Karmic?
[23:06] <dataviruset> why not? you mean, never upgrade, just fresh install?
[23:06] <woble> esde, I've seen nothing but additional problems that disappear on a fresh install
[23:06] <dataviruset> i see, woble
[23:06] <dataviruset> i agree
[23:06] <dataviruset> now
[23:06] <faryshta_> jongbergs, don't worry. At least I will try it in my laptop.
[23:07] <esde> true. and i find myself woriking out tons of bugs
[23:07] <woble> esde, Alsa drivers, Grub, Gnome power manager, wifi
[23:07] <faryshta_> jongbergs, if I use the synaptic update to get karmic... you think will have the same issue?
[23:07] <woble> biggest ones in 9.04 -> 9.10
[23:07] <dataviruset> gimbli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/321137/
[23:07] <esde> exactly, i upgraded once and took hours to restore wireless
[23:07] <woble> I first upgraded, to check if it would work.. didnt.. clean install *bang* good system
[23:07] <pr> i had windows and ubuntu installed, but i had to format-uninstall windows and after that  my pc did not see any system though i had my ubunttu installed on the other disk, now im writing from CD ubuntu , any idea how to bring back my ubuntu to boot loader?
[23:08] <woble> also took the time to sepereat emy home partition
[23:08] <taofd> fcuk112, oh wow... you can't even multiselect using the keyboard / ctrl+shift, space anymore... wut the
[23:08] <gimbli> woble: these are not those kinds of problems you face on most of the servers. and if a fresh install forces you to have a downtime of several hours for thousands of customers, you would prefer an upgrade (tested before of course ;) )
[23:08] <esde> exactly., lots of clean up on an upgrade to make it all compatible
[23:08] <taofd> fcuk112, serious regression... seriously -__-;
[23:08] <LetsGo67> r00to33 no it happens when I'm in Ubuntu.  Isn't there a way to check from Ubuntu?
[23:08] <woble> gimbli several hours of downtime on reinstall? and if you have thousands of customers you should have backup servers
[23:09] <fcuk112> taofd: i usually just use ctrl/shift with the mouse to multi-select.
[23:09] <longtime> Anyone have an idea why running a program through Wine would cause a program I'm running with root privileges to close?
[23:09] <r00to33> LetsGo67, It still can be a hardware issue, when did this start?
[23:09] <gimbli> woble: yes, if you have additional software that creates its own structure and you cant just copy and paste the files from your backup
[23:09] <taofd> yeah, but not everyone uses that... sometimes its faster to use the keyboard... they shouldnt disable that feature :/ (its found in every other OS)
[23:09] <vonnick> Upgrades are bad chi, doesn't matter what operating system :(
[23:09] <LetsGo67> After update to 9.10
[23:09] <LetsGo67> r00to33
[23:09] <jongbergs> faryshta_: you can do so, however an alternate install cd  does the same thing and saves you extra time, still i don't know if it works out.
[23:09] <LetsGo67> Says 0 degrees?
[23:09] <taofd> fcuk112, and it doesn't work in gtk-tree view (ctrl+2)
[23:10] <LetsGo67> !temperatur
[23:10] <MK13> does anyone know hwo to enable Master mode on a broadcom BCM4311?
[23:10] <LetsGo67> !temperature
[23:10] <irnmn> I haven't been able to use my iPod since my move to Linux.
[23:10] <woble> gimbli, hmmz.. i wouldnt like software doing that! nevertheless I run my webshops x2.. it helps if you have more than 1 though, just 1 backup server for 3 shops which is as fast as 1 normal
[23:10] <ricdanger> hi there
[23:10] <r00to33> LetsGo67, Hardware goes out when you least expect it
[23:10] <fcuk112> taofd: using the keyboard works for me actually.  use cursor keys to move around, ctrl/shift/space to select etc.
[23:10] <fcuk112> taofd: are you using gnome nautilus?
[23:10] <tLoFP> I have tried to set a keyboard shortcut to "amixer set Headphone 1-" but it won't execute, any ideas?
[23:10] <ricdanger> anybody know how to lock entries on grub2, and how to setdefault?
[23:10] <LetsGo67> r00to33 why?
[23:10] <taofd> yes
[23:10] <th0r> irnmn: have you tried gtkpod?
[23:10] <irnmn> Got gtkpod, got rhythmbox..  I'm still clueless.  Must've got spoiled to Itunes.
[23:10] <r00to33> LetsGo67, Did you google?
[23:11] <taofd> fcuk112, wait try multiple selecting... so shift select, than press ctrl, try single selecting again, then multi select again
[23:11] <woble> irnmn, tried amarok?
[23:11] <taofd> fcuk112, this is a known problem that has plagued gnome for forever
[23:11] <chriscreasy> Does anyone know a good website, to build the perfect ubuntu machine, hardware wise
[23:11] <irnmn> I haven't really, really sat down and spent a few hours google diving and trying at it though.
[23:11] <jongbergs> MK13: did you try exploring the iwconfig command?
[23:11] <irnmn> I did the try and give up after 10 minutes approach.. lol
[23:11] <rww> !hcl | chriscreasy
[23:11] <rooth> vonnick: sorry, Hotel WLAN died =).
[23:11] <aaron1> hey everyone, can somebody help me with my soundcard on ubuntu?
[23:11] <rooth> vonnick: Update: You do not need to use the setpci instructions in this article if your kernel is 2.6.25 or newer
[23:11] <woble> irnmn, I like it.. but its personal. also try Banshee
[23:12] <chriscreasy> thanks
[23:12] <tLoFP> chriscreasy: anything i7  based with lots of ram and multiple gigabit eth connections atleast 2
[23:12] <MK13> jongbergs,the is nothing to get from the iwconfig... the card supports master mode however the driver doesn't
[23:12] <vonnick> If you're getting a sound make sure you blacklist the onboard sound
[23:12] <rooth> vonnick: so it seems there is other problems. But thank you anyway!
[23:12] <vonnick> Millions of headaches if you don't
[23:12] <irnmn> Rhythmbox has worked better for me, but Banshee had some nice features.
[23:12] <slayton> +1 for Banshee!
[23:12] <vonnick> soundcard*
[23:12] <arand> !grub2 | ricdanger this page has info:
[23:12] <taofd> fcuk112, did it work?
[23:12] <faryshta_> jongbergs, the bug is in the kernel as far as Launchpad says. So will be the same and I will have to avoid Karmic in the job.
[23:12] <fcuk112> taofd: first time you press ctrl to select, then cursor keys to move to another one, press space to select while holding ctrl.  initial space press would launch the file - i honestly don't see what the problem is.
[23:12] <tLoFP> how do I set keyboard shortcuts?
[23:13] <|underdog7|> hello!  can anyone tell me how i can share a partition with my dual boot OSs -- Windows 7 and Ubuntu?  I already have a third partition, however, b/c it is ext3 i cannot access it via Wndows 7.  I have also tried an EXT3 driver for Windows, but it doesn't seem to recognize the third partitions format for some reason.  any ideas anyone?
[23:13] <taofd> fcuk112, like i said, try using shift to select... shift is used for multi-select you hold it down when you need to select everything between file A and file Z
[23:13] <huezo> hola ç"·$%W"ES·"$"
[23:13] <jongbergs> MK13: are you using the open source driver or ndiswrapper?
[23:13] <slayton> |underdog7|, reformatt using a filesystem that windows can recognize
[23:13] <vonnick> System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[23:13] <vonnick> Just click each command to set a new one
[23:13] <slayton> |underdog7|, its what I had to do
[23:13] <vonnick> Then press the key
[23:13] <|underdog7|> slayton: such as?
[23:13] <slayton> |underdog7|, fat32 ntfs
[23:13] <MK13> jongbergs,i am using b43-fwcutter
[23:13] <MK13> jongbergs,if that helps
[23:14] <vonnick> ndswrapper ftw
[23:14] <|underdog7|> slayton: does ubuntu work fine (both read/write) w/ ntfs?
[23:14] <vonnick> Yeah
[23:14] <slayton> |underdog7|, you can't be as specific with permission in linux as you can with ext3 but other than that it works just fine in linux
[23:14] <slayton> |underdog7|, yes
[23:14] <jongbergs> MK13: afaik, b43-fwcutter cannot use iwconfig
[23:14] <lordbah2> Anyone using the webcam on the Dell SX2210 monitor with Ubuntu?
[23:15] <MK13> jongbergs, it works for me O.o
[23:15] <irnmn> Got an error trying to mount /media/ipod on my 8GB 4th gen Nano
[23:15] <|underdog7|> slayton: this must be a new feature?  b/c i think maybe a year ago, Ubuntu did not have write access?
[23:15] <gimbli> sorry, gotta be off now. got to get up early tomorrow. good night @ all
[23:15] <|underdog7|> slayton: (or at least reliable write access)
[23:15] <MK13> jongbergs, but it causes a wmaster0 to appear then a wlan0
[23:15] <slayton> |underdog7|, its had write feature for a while
[23:15] <ricdanger> ubottu, thanks. but it doesn0t have the information I need :(
[23:16] <vonnick> irnmn: What error?
[23:16] <ricdanger> can I at least revert to grub-legacy?
[23:16] <slayton> |underdog7|, if you're that concerned you can use fat32
[23:16] <Lostinspace_46> Is anyone here well versed in Gizmod??
[23:16] <slayton> |underdog7|, although I'm not sure what the max file or file-system size is for fat 32
[23:16] <|underdog7|> slayton: unfortunately, fat32 does not handle file sizes larger than 4gig
[23:16] <jongbergs> :)
[23:16] <|underdog7|> slayton: exactly :)
[23:16] <aaron1> are there any other chats where i can get support with my soundcard on ubuntu
[23:17] <vonnick> What's the problem?
[23:17] <|underdog7|> slayton: okay, thanks for your perspective.  :)
[23:17] <irnmn> Error mounting ipod, problem creating directory.....
[23:17] <jongbergs> !sound | aaron1
[23:17] <vonnick> What command did you use, imnm?
[23:17] <taofd> fcuk112, heres one thread on it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299125
[23:18] <arand> ricdanger: You can specify both number and title name for defualt boot, according to that, is that not what you're after?
[23:18] <mdaum> Anybody point me to instructions on running Vuze 4.3 in karmic?
[23:18] <vonnick> If alsa doesn't work try blacklisting the onboard audio if you have it
[23:18] <vonnick> Ubuntu will fallback to your real soundcard
[23:19] <MsTegan> OMG people who know how to work something other than windows
[23:19] <MsTegan> please help me
[23:19] <irnmn> I was running gtkpod and clicked "load ipod" and followed the steps, selecting my particular ipod.
[23:19] <fcuk112> taofd: if it really bothers you, you should raise a bug to gnome.
[23:19] <ricdanger> arand, nope. I want to boot the last entry a user selects. If it boots kernel X, it should boot automatically yhat entry on the next boot
[23:19] <vonnick> Oh, I've never used gtkpod
[23:19] <taofd> fcuk112, i have, and so have a lot of others :( its in limbo right now
[23:19] <gizmobay> I'm trying to get the grub reboot options to work again. I can't remember what to change in the menu.lst for default and for savedefault.   I download a gui to do everything on my system.
[23:20] <irnmn> I'm trying to get away from that, but its easier with some things.
[23:20] <woble> mdaum, is there a *real* reason you want to use Vuze, since it isnt the most p2p pirate friendly tool if your in MPAA country
[23:20] <taofd> fcuk112, although this new ctrl+shift+space select is a new issue... it used to work in previous versions
[23:20] <vonnick> Well, open a terminal and type fdisk -l
[23:20] <vonnick> sudo fdisk -l*
[23:20] <MsTegan> My webcam stopped working after I updated to 9.10
[23:20] <fcuk112> taofd: it's not something that i'd consider moving back to windoze for... :)
[23:20] <vonnick> and then unplug your ipod and repeat the command
[23:20] <taofd> fcuk112, of course not :D its just annoying
[23:20] <aaron1> ubottu, where is volume control? i see a volume icon at the top but when i double click it, i just get a volume changer
[23:20] <mdaum> woble: what client do you use?
[23:20] <vonnick> And tell me if a line disappeared
[23:20] <taofd> fcuk112, (and i secretly use windows 7 on the side)
[23:21] <woble> mdaum, torrentflux.. but that might be a bit over the top
[23:21] <maco> aaron1: ubottu is a bot
[23:21] <fcuk112> taofd: i have win7 running on my lappy too.  don't use it much though.
[23:21] <aaron1> thank you, hahaha
[23:21] <arand> ricdanger: use GRUB_DEFAULT=saved, it's all on the linked wiki
[23:21] <mdaum> woble, never tried it
[23:22] <mdaum> woble, tried transmission once.  V. slow.
[23:22] <taofd> fcuk112, i use it for outlook for company stuff... all our stuff needs 2007, so evolution doesn't work with it :(
[23:22] <aaron1> vonnick, ubuntu is using my real soundcard
[23:22] <woble> mdaum, slowness depends on peers, port forwarding and your TCP/IP setup
[23:22] <aaron1> how do i make it use the one i installed
[23:22] <irnmn> Doesnt seem to change anything but when I plug the ipod back in, it mounts and pops up its folder.
[23:22] <slayton> has anybody else had problems with the WindowList applet not letting you select an application in Karmic?
[23:22] <mdaum> woble, well it was an old transmission, but didn't compete side by side with azureus
[23:23] <Bam_Bam> How do I disable the lighttpd from starting up on boot?
[23:23] <mdaum> woble, but now azureus doesn't handle the tpb magnet links
[23:23] <woble> mdaum, side by side, you mean two at once?
[23:23] <mdaum> woble, well...alternating, but on the same box
[23:23] <mdaum> woble, as a test to see which was faster
[23:24] <woble> mdaum, hmmz.. well I have good experience with flux and if you have a box you're going to like the web GUI
[23:24] <irnmn> Yeah despite the folder showing up theres no change in fdisk -l
[23:24] <Bam_Bam> How do I disable the lighttpd from starting up on boot?
[23:24] <woble> mdaum most of the linux guys at your place use transmission / ktorrent on their pc and flux on the box
[23:25] <mdaum> woble, my place?
[23:25] <npxx> my tv card Avermedia A707 PCIe dual Hybrid analog/dvb-t/dvb-s  not work  help me plsss
[23:26] <woble> mdaum meant our :P
[23:26] <MsTegan> How do I make my compiz run at start? I get an error when AWN tries to start.
[23:26] <mdaum> woble, I just have my laptop, see.  So I'd run  a server on it?
[23:26] <robotno> ...
[23:26] <woble> mdaum, no, stick to transmission, ktorrent, etc. unless you plan to do some webeditting :). but you were talking about a box see :)
[23:26] <VCoolio> MsTegan: doesn't compiz start at all or does awn start too soon when compiz isn't up yet?
[23:26] <cichlasoma> hi. trying to follow this http://linuxologist.com/linuxhowto/howto-fresh-ubuntu-install-without-losing-your-current-settings/ tutorial, i get "dpkg: --set-selections takes no arguments" any ideas?
[23:27] <mdaum> woble, someday I'll have one.
[23:27] <R0b0t1> Hello, for some reason when I press a key, my mouse lags, and then "jumps" to where it should be. This causes me to be unable to play all games, even native. Any solutions?
[23:27] <woble> :)
[23:27] <MsTegan> VCoolio I need to manually start it from terminal (the only way I know how) I get an error when AWN tries to start saying I need to run compiz
[23:27] <R0b0t1> I have an apple keyboard/hub, but I have this problem even when the mouse is not plugged in through it.
[23:27] <shoeman22> hello, I have a quick question...how can ssh into my htpc server from my laptop and then fire commands that will affect the htpc's x session connected to the htpc?
[23:28] <shoeman22> connected to my plasma rather
[23:28] <soreau> MsTegan: Sys>Prefs>Appearance>Visual Effects <-- set to Extra
[23:28] <MsTegan> it already is
[23:28] <MsTegan> I still get the error :(
[23:28] <ctmjr> !doesntwork | npxx
[23:29] <PaperBoy> Has any one ever had problems with filezilla in firefox where it coudlnt retrieve directory of the server you are connecting to?
[23:29] <ScabbyMadman> say MsTegan you hang around #SA  sometimes?
[23:29] <Guest69227> hello
[23:29] <MsTegan> nope, this is my first time in IRC, Im here out of Karmic Koala desperation
[23:30] <mdaum> woble, transmission seems to choke completely on the magnet link!
[23:30] <woble> hmmz, tahts weird
[23:30] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, Ive had issues  with Karmic myself
[23:31] <zimba_guy> any one in the UK
[23:31] <LjL> !ot
[23:31] <LjL> !uk
[23:31] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman it's not working like my old 8.12.  My webcam worked  then
[23:31] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, which machine type?
[23:32] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman Sony Vaio laptop
[23:32] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, built in webcam?
[23:32] <pcjamga> upuntu servers
[23:32] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman unfortunatly
[23:33] <graingert> !question | Alexandros
[23:33] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan have you enabled backports?
[23:33] <MsTegan> MsTegan ...I only speak windows (N00b)
[23:34] <whiten0ise> anybody an arduino fanatic?
[23:34] <arand> MsTegan: is post #5 here relevant?: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=968381
[23:34] <whiten0ise> the guys in #arduino aren't talking
[23:34] <Um_cara_qualquer> how can i install a .tar.bz2 archive?
[23:35] <MsTegan> arrand I'll let you know thx
[23:35] <ScabbyMadman> MtTegan not certain but if you  search the forms with a few terms like Sony Viao webcam Linux-backports and see what  comes up
[23:35] <mdaum> woble, seems like transmission doesn't support magnet
[23:35] <yanzc> join
[23:35] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan not certain but if you  search the forms with a few terms like Sony Viao webcam Linux-backports and see what  comes up
[23:35] <archet45> hi everyone
[23:35] <yanzc> hello
[23:35] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: you don't, you extract it; what are you installing?
[23:36] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman how do I enable backports?  I can do most things if I'm told how
[23:36] <Um_cara_qualquer> python-support... but i'm not sure if it is python-support archive anymore
[23:36] <archet45> im a noob with a quick question wondering if anyone could help me out or point me in the right direction :)
[23:36] <ScabbyMadman> well before you do that  Id suggest a search of the forums with the  terms  stated above
[23:36] <arand> Um_cara_qualquer: What application, what version, does a debian package not exist?
[23:36] <archet45> i'm getting this error message when i try to unmount my drive/partition: Error unmounting: umount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
[23:36] <archet45> umount: only root can unmount /dev/sdb1 from /media/sdb
[23:36] <Bam_Bam> How do I stop lighttpd from starting on boot?
[23:37] <sebsebseb> archet45: unmount what?
[23:37] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: isn't that in the repos? run "apt-cache search python-support" in a terminal
[23:37] <ScabbyMadman> Bam_Bam, do you  know how to use grep?
[23:37] <yanzc> Is chrome OS avaliable and relesed now?
[23:37] <archet45> its a partition on my second hard disk
[23:37] <sebsebseb> yanzc: no
[23:37] <PaperBoy> Has any one ever had problems with filezilla in firefox where it coudlnt retrieve directory of the server you are connecting to?
[23:37] <Um_cara_qualquer> the thing is... i wanna install Emesene 1.5... but the package says i need a python-support with a version 0.90 or higher
[23:37] <sebsebseb> yanzc: altough I guess Google  have some sort of internal version
[23:37] <shoeman22> archet45: you need to be root to do that...run sudo umount /media/sdb
[23:37] <Um_cara_qualquer> k
[23:37] <archet45> sebsebseb, i use it for my virtual machines via vbox
[23:37] <sebsebseb> archet45: oh you done a shared folder with the host?
[23:38] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: in karmic the version is high enough, 1.0.3, so just "apt-get install python-support"
[23:38] <yanzc> i think it maybe easy to use
[23:38] <PaperBoy> please someone?
[23:38] <archet45> not yet, just trying to figure out why vbox can't "access" the vdi file
[23:38] <archet45> as well as why i can't unmount the drive either
[23:38] <Um_cara_qualquer> i already tried that... i don't think i have the repositories needed
[23:38] <archet45> the two issues seem to share the same solution :)
[23:38] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: it's in the main repos; do you have karmic?
[23:38] <Um_cara_qualquer> ah O_o sorry man... i'm not sure
[23:38] <yanzc> quit
[23:39] <Um_cara_qualquer> i'm a beginner :P
[23:39] <Um_cara_qualquer> on linux
[23:39] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: what does "lsb_release -a" tell you?
[23:39] <arand> Um_cara_qualquer: are you using 9.04 or 9.10?
[23:39] <zimba_guy> pamhata penyu mese vanhu vari muno
[23:40] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: hi
[23:40] <Um_cara_qualquer> it says: i'm a complex code line that you can't understand
[23:40] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman alright, Ill try it.
[23:40] <Um_cara_qualquer> 9.04
[23:40] <MsTegan> sebsebseb ho
[23:40] <MsTegan> er...hi
[23:40] <MsTegan> sry
[23:40] <archet45> sebsebseb, would the reason why i'm having this issue be because i created a new user on my system?
[23:40] <archet45> i'm using 9.10 x64
[23:40] <zimba_guy> ver?
[23:40] <Bam_Bam> Hello, how can I stop a program like lighttpd from starting on boot?
[23:40] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, afetr that if you  believe the backports wil work you enable them in synaptic
[23:40] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: just went through stuff you put,  seems your getting some sort of help, but  things that worked before can sometimes stop working on an upgrade to a later version of Ubuntu
[23:40] <zimba_guy> quit
[23:40] <loldmaway> hi
[23:41] <ScabbyMadman> Bam_Bam, you need to disable it via  the /etc/init folder
[23:41] <archet45> Bam_Bam, try checking System>>preferences>>startup applications
[23:41] <MsTegan> sebsebseb evidently
[23:41] <arand> Um_cara_qualquer: okay, the easiest way would probably be to add this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra
[23:41] <Bam_Bam> thanks ScabbyMadman
[23:41] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: ah, yes, in 9.04 the version is 0.8.7, so you'll need something else; maybe there is a repo on launchpad, let me check
[23:41] <ScabbyMadman> or look in the start-up utility in the syste> asministration
[23:41] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: ah, arand beat me
[23:41] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: also your first message here was rather attention seeking :D :)
[23:41] <Um_cara_qualquer> humm
[23:42] <archet45> anyone know why i would need root permissions now to mount/umount drives?
[23:42] <Um_cara_qualquer> is that a repository?
[23:42] <Bam_Bam> ScabbyMadman: I didn't see that utility showing it
[23:42] <archet45> is it possible for me to give my user permissions for this action?
[23:42] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: you know how to add one?
[23:42] <MsTegan> sebsebseb lol its because nobody I know can do anything other than windows
[23:42] <Um_cara_qualquer> yes
[23:42] <arand> !ppa | Um_cara_qualquer
[23:42] <ScabbyMadman> Bam_Bam, are you comfortable with the bash shell?
[23:42] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: So you got backports enabled now or whatever they were saying to do?
[23:43] <MsTegan> sebsebseb not yet...
[23:43] <Bam_Bam> ScabbyMadman: comfortable enough
[23:43] <Bam_Bam> I've been using it the past week on my Ubuntu server
[23:43] <mindos> anybody playing quake 3 in ubuntu?
[23:43] <arand> Um_cara_qualquer: hmm, yea, so it works like a repository. (that factoid was not particulary informative in this case)
[23:44] <archet45> anyone know why I would only be able to mount/umount drives via root?
[23:44] <Um_cara_qualquer> heh alright
[23:44] <arand> mindos: probably a few, it should be supported.
[23:45] <mindos> arand, how can i get console in q3?
[23:45] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: ok do that then since ScabbyMadman suggested it
[23:45] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: system > administration > software sources
[23:45] <Um_cara_qualquer> sorry but i thought i could add a repository... but it doesn't show the add button when i try to add
[23:45] <Um_cara_qualquer> =/
[23:45] <MsTegan> sebsebseb Im there
[23:45] <ScabbyMadman> sebsebseb, Id hope MsTegan would have searched the forums for alittle  more  bg but...
[23:46] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: find it and  get it  ticked/checked
[23:46] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: also it seems you got two issues?  web cam and compiz?
[23:46] <Skvlop> Invenst
[23:46] <ScabbyMadman> Bam_Bam, which ubuntu distro you using
[23:46] <Bam_Bam> 9.10
[23:46] <arand> mindos: I have not used it in GNU, but isn't it normally invoked by the ~ key (or whatever it is there above the tab key?)
[23:46] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman Im doing both.  I've been trying to solve this issue on the forums for 3 days.  Yeah but im more concerned with my webcam since AWN is really optional
[23:47] <sebsebseb> archet45: permissions
[23:47] <VCoolio> Um_cara_qualquer: I'm not sure if python-support is in that repo in the first place
[23:47] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, whatever works for you  is cool
[23:47] <MsTegan> sebsebseb im more concerned with webcam, I get an error in terminal when i run compiz but AWN will start
[23:47] <sebsebseb> archet45: for security reasons,  you can't just do whatever you want to all folders
[23:47] <MsTegan> scabbymadman i'd gladly try anything :D
[23:47] <Um_cara_qualquer> hmm
[23:47] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, other things to check: does amodule get loaded...? for the webcam
[23:48] <loldmaway> can anyone tell me if i have sth connected to an usb port (bus 003 - lsusb said it) then where is it's port located in /dev ?
[23:48] <sebsebseb> arand: most stuff  like that in Ubuntu is owned by root, since it's part of the operating system, but sometimes,  you might need root for your own partition
[23:48] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, might be a simple  gstreamer issue too
[23:48] <sldfrk> hey every one. one question who here has been having very slow internet in ubuntu 9.10? i cannot figure it out.
[23:48] <sebsebseb> arand: I mean sudo access or  whatever
[23:48] <archet45> sebsebseb, where are permissions edited at?
[23:48] <Um_cara_qualquer> oh i just got it...
[23:49] <Um_cara_qualquer> let me try add
[23:49] <MsTegan> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7D2C7A23BF810CD5 when I enabled backports
[23:49] <sebsebseb> arand: uhmm I just started messaging you instead of archet45
[23:49] <MsTegan> :(
[23:49] <sebsebseb> arand: by mistake
[23:49] <sebsebseb> !permissions |  archet45
[23:49] <arand> sebsebseb: np :)
[23:49] <pcjamga> upuntu servers
[23:50] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: as for Compiz,  which graphics card do you have?
[23:50] <archet45> sebsebseb, why would I have lost the ability to simply mount through the file explorer though?
[23:50] <Sememmon> bleh.. ubuntu hates my touchpad.
[23:50] <archet45> before i simply had to just elevate the privilages via my password
[23:50] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: web cam uhmmm  I don't do web cams, but  you can  use a program called cheese to help you configure it or whatever.
[23:50] <sebsebseb> !webcam | MsTegan
[23:50] <MsTegan> sebsebseb no it won't even find it, I know HOW to use it
[23:51] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: you may need to configure the web cam so  Ubuntu finds it, which won't be that easy for you I expect, also depending on your web cam, it might not even be possible
[23:51] <archet45> !permissions
[23:51] <MsTegan> sebsebseb it used to work, with my old version.
[23:51] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: I mean the settings for the web cam in Ubuntu configure those some how, so  the web cam is found and works
[23:52] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, did you enable backports in the Updates tab from the repositories menu?
[23:52] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: Which was your old version?  8.10?
[23:52] <MsTegan> sebsebseb yep
[23:52] <Um_cara_qualquer> VCoolio, arand  thx for the help
[23:52] <sldfrk> its a netgear wg111v3 wifi usb
[23:52] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman I used software sources and checked the little box but I got an error
[23:53] <ScabbyMadman> MsTegan, hang on  running a simulation just for you
[23:53] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: Since 8.04,  overall 8.10 has been my favourite release...
[23:53] <archet45> so no one has any idea on maybe why i just out of no where can mount/unmount drives anymore without using the terminal?
[23:53] <sebsebseb> ScabbyMadman: a simulation aye?
[23:53] <example6> I have the same problem as archet45
[23:54] <sebsebseb> archet45: you can try something graphical to change it
[23:54] <archet45> it was working fine until i added another user,
[23:54] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman when I try and update now it tells me the "public key is not available"  There are a lot of bugs so far with 9.10
[23:54] <MsTegan> ScabbyMadman and I really liked 8.10
[23:54] <sebsebseb> archet45: to change the owner, but...
[23:54] <example6> For me it changed randomly
[23:54] <archet45> i dont understand why i cant just choose the drive from "places" type in my password and then have it mounted, like Ubuntu did initially
[23:54] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: yeah 8.10 :)
[23:55] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: unfortunatly it will  stop being supported on the desktop  this April  I think or around then, but  at the end of April   10.04 comes out which is the next LTS
[23:55] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: you could try 9.04
[23:55] <archet45> i've had to re-install Ubuntu twice now because thats the only way i can get it to revert back to not having to use the terminal simply to mount the drives
[23:56] <MsTegan> Well if they fix the bugs then i wont need to revert lol
[23:56] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: overall I find 9.04 better than 9.10
[23:56] <mesenga> hi!! .. how can i run the php on ubuntu 9.10?
[23:56] <MsTegan> sebsebseb I updated them both the same day because I hadn't noticed the new version in update manager
[23:56] <sebsebseb> mesenga: You want to do a LAMP set up?  Linux Apache MySQL, and PHP/Perl/Python ?
[23:56] <ScabbyMadman> never got MsTegan I had no problem pulling any backport pkg
[23:56] <Mike_lifeguard> mesenga: you install it, then to 'php file.php'
[23:56] <davidl_> Hello everyone,  Quick question.  I need to rebuild a failed Gentoo box that had a mysql database on it.  I'm going to use Ubuntu on the rebuild.  (In fact I have 9.10 up and running).  My problem is the old system was running an old version of mysql (v4.0.26).  I need to install this same version to recover my databases.  But using apt-get I can't find an old version.  I've turned on backports in our sources.list and #apt-cache search mysql-server returns
[23:57] <davidl_> version 5.0 and 5.1 for mysql.   I have an older 6.10 box running and it shows mysql-server 4.1 available (havn't run a apt-get update on it in a long time)    Does anyone know how I should proceed?
[23:57] <example6> To anyone who could help: I've had repeated problems with pulseaudio so I decided to remove it and alsa, then I tried to install OSS4 but it was being very fussy. Now I have almost-installed versions of alsa and oss4 on here and I just want to know how I can get a good sound system that works well...
[23:57] <Mike_lifeguard> davidl_: Are you sure you need an old version of mysql?
[23:57] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: well 10.04 should be pretty good,  I wonder if  a lot of the common issues will be fixed for it though, as in most of the wireless and sound issues and  web cam even,   I guess  most of those issues won't be fixed for 10.04 though for various reasons, which is also ashame
[23:57] <mesenga> sebsebseb, i installed using this: apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5
[23:57] <wavez> I have installed Back In Time, but I can't tell if it's working. I have it set to backup every hour, but I don't see it taking any snapshots, other than when I click the button to take one manually
[23:58] <sebsebseb> MsTegan: 10.04 has to be rather good basically,  because it's the next Long Term Support release
[23:58] <wavez> Do I have to leave it running in the background for it to work?
[23:58] <sebsebseb> !lamp | mesenga
[23:58] <archet45> sebsebseb, when i right click the drive and navigate to the permissions tab it says "the permissions of "sdb2" could not be determined"
[23:58] <davidl_> Mike_lifeguard: I don't have good msql dumps of my tables.  Apparently I need to restore the /var/lib/mysql files to the same version of the database engine to have a chance at getting anything back
[23:58] <mesenga> when i try to access localhost on browser, i can see the "It works!" page.. but when i create the php file (with phpinfo function) the php file is downloaded
[23:58] <archet45> sebsebseb, would this mean there is an underlying problem?
[23:59] <RaXOR> HI 2 all  guys !!!
[23:59] <RaXOR> who can help me ... there is a litle problem with ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala
[23:59] <Cuddles> How do I view my Ip address on my system
[23:59] <erail1213> i need help
[23:59] <RaXOR> ?
[23:59] <sebsebseb> archet45: not sure, but  I think a few people have had issues with  mounting and unmounting partitions in 9.10,  I think there might be something in the release notes for that even
[23:59] <RaXOR> i also =)
[23:59] <sebsebseb> !notes |  archet45


[12:47] <vonk> hi
[04:23] <Baelrun> Anyone have any luck with the Dell TrueMobil 1400?  Fiesty recognizes it, it's shown in iwconfig, yet it is flagged as disabled in lshw
[04:23] <Baelrun> Laptop is an Inspiron XPS Gen 1
[04:24] <Baelrun> Ack, not a support channel, sorry :P
[06:18] <kensho> hi


[06:55] <eric_the_idiot> Unit193: can you verify this branch https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-session/tree/shadow fixes those issues?
[07:33] <Unit193> eric_the_idiot: Yep!  Though man, Werror is a killer.
[07:35] <eric_the_idiot> Yeah, it is. Pretty sure I didn't put it there :)
[07:35] <eric_the_idiot> Thanks for verifying
[07:37] <Unit193> If you really feel like it: main.c:91:16: error: unused variable 'lang' [-Werror=unused-variable]
[07:37] <Unit193>    const gchar *lang;
[07:37] <Unit193>                 ^
[07:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: Your turn, https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-session_4.12.1+git01242c6-0ppa1+gtk3.dsc
[07:56] <eric_the_idiot> lang is used on line 112-115
[07:58] <Unit193> Pawning off on Sean, hit some more after that one.  Don't know why I hit it then, but it's 4am soo..
[15:06] <flocculant> Unit193: still none the wiser about this experimental session :)
[20:04] <flocculant> evening
[20:17] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:20] <flocculant> hi Unit193
[20:31] <flocculant> Unit193: so then this experimental xfce4 session - that you named then ignored :p
[20:32] <flocculant> what's that all about and how :)
[20:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Ah, right.  Ran into a few issues, so tried to pawn it off on Sean. :P
[20:33] <Unit193> (Because he can submit patches if needed.)
[20:33] <flocculant> aah ok :)
[20:33] <flocculant> obviously when something shows up I'll give it a go
[20:34] <ochosi> evening all!
[20:34] <ochosi> Unit193: just out of curiosity what were the problems?
[20:34] <flocculant> hey ochosi - how's things
[20:34] <ochosi> flocculant: good good
[20:35] <flocculant> good :)
[20:35] <ochosi> and you?
[20:36] <flocculant> yep - all good here
[20:39] <Unit193> ochosi: Last one was about a missing file for a rule, more minor ones before.
[20:40] <Unit193> ochosi: If you know anything about packaging, linked the dsc.
[20:41] <ochosi> ah right, i'll try to stay out of it then ;)
[20:41] <flocculant> I can save you a seat for that ochosi :p
[20:41] <Unit193> ...Well it has a tarball too!
[20:52] <ochosi> well if it's a packaging problem a tarball still won't pull me in ;)
[20:57] <Unit193> You sure it is?
[21:02] <ochosi> i thought that was what you tried to say
[21:21] <Unit193> Uploading those translation updates.
[22:50] <Unit193> flocculant: As a heads-up, you'll have a new whisker tomorrow (and weather, cpufreq, -dict if you have 'em installed.)


[03:07] <studio-user557> hola estoy instalando ubuntu studio alguna informacion??
[03:07] <holstein> !es
[03:08] <studio-user557> pero si el español es mas bonito
[03:09] <cfhowlett> !es | studio-user557
[03:09] <studio-user557> #ubuntu-es
[03:09] <ObrienDave>  /join #ubuntu-es
[22:04] <mothi> Can I download the soundfonts included with US somewhere?
[22:29] <mothi> Got them by mounting the squashfs from the iso and looking there
[22:36] <Unit193> Sould be able to find them on LP as well.


[00:05] <xorg_is_a_pain> hey guys... anyone here?
[00:14] <popey> yes
[00:16] <xorg_is_a_pain> hey popey... can you spare a minute to help me with Xorg? I followed this guide: http://ubuntuxtreme.com/howto/nvidia-drivers-installer-script/ for my GTX 650, it all went well and rebooted, but now I don't seem to have unity... my windows are just "there" - I have to launch them via ctrl+alt+t
[00:16] <xorg_is_a_pain> I've got the xorg log... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393199/
[00:17] <xorg_is_a_pain> and I've got the newest nvidia-current on the machine
[00:17] <xorg_is_a_pain> but for some reason it isn't doing jack..
[00:18] <popey> what is this script madness?
[00:19] <popey> [    20.712] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[00:19] <popey> that doesn't look too clever
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> well... I originally tried via "Additional Drivers"
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> getting the same problem
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> had to reinstall and try it the script way
[00:19] <popey> do you have a terminal up?
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> yeah
[00:19] <popey> dpkg -l unity
[00:19] <popey> is it installed?
[00:20] <popey> i.e. first two characters are "ii"
[00:20] <xorg_is_a_pain> yeah it's installed
[00:20] <xorg_is_a_pain> ii  unity          6.10.0-0ubun amd64        Interface designed for efficiency
[00:21] <xorg_is_a_pain> (compiz crashed when I logged in - I suspect that's where the issue is?)
[00:21] <popey> probably
[00:21] <popey> pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[00:22] <xorg_is_a_pain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393225/
[00:22] <xorg_is_a_pain> that doesn't look healthy...
[00:22] <xorg_is_a_pain> :)
[00:22] <popey> i suspect the nvidia driver didn't build properly
[00:23] <popey> hence NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[00:23] <popey> which is your first problem
[00:23] <popey> compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow).
[00:23] <popey> thats as a result of not having the nvidia driver loaded
[00:23] <xorg_is_a_pain> alright... but it did the same when I tried from Additional Drivers too... strange
[00:24] <popey> you're running with the VESA driver
[00:24] <xorg_is_a_pain> it worked in 12.04 - this is a new install
[00:24] <popey> dpkg -l nvidia-*
[00:25] <xorg_is_a_pain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393230/
[00:25] <popey> apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[00:26] <xorg_is_a_pain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393234/
[00:27] <popey> pretty sure my card is a GTX 650
[00:27]  * popey checks
[00:28] <xorg_is_a_pain> Asus GEForce GTX 650 I believe
[00:28] <xorg_is_a_pain> I can drop back to 12.04 without a problem... I just thought I'd bring it up because this is beyond me, and a bug may need filing
[00:29] <xorg_is_a_pain> there was a comment on that script page from someone else using 12.10 with the same issue
[00:30] <popey> oh no, mine's a 460
[00:31] <popey> if you fancy reinstalling 12.10 maybe we can debug from there
[00:31] <popey> but not right now :D
[00:31] <xorg_is_a_pain> sure... can do, and aye it's a bit late :P
[00:32] <popey> maybe pop back tomorrow?
[00:32] <xorg_is_a_pain> yeah sure... any particualar time?
[00:32] <popey> before midnight
[00:32] <xorg_is_a_pain> :P
[00:32] <popey> but tbh there's plenty of people around who can help tomorrow
[00:32] <popey> daytime is good?
[00:33] <xorg_is_a_pain> alright... gonna go back to Windows and watch something on netflix before bed XD I shall see you guys tomorrow
[00:33] <xorg_is_a_pain> thank you for the help
[00:33] <popey> ttfn
[00:33] <popey> np
[00:52] <troll`> AYO
[00:52] <troll`> FELLERS
[00:52] <troll`> UBUNTU IS GR8!
[00:52] <troll`> IT ROCKS
[01:37] <directhex> for those who fear the securest of boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PyOYsQmetQ
[06:59] <AlanBell> choo choo
[08:03] <diplo> Morning
[08:31] <hoover> morning all
[08:39] <dwatkins> wotcher
[08:41] <BigRedS> Hm. I want to file a bug report about docking my laptop, but every time I try it it breaks slightly differently....
[08:41] <theopensourcerer> This is rather disturbing (but a bit understandable) - I like building PCs... http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/
[08:45] <BigRedS> yeah, I despise building PCs but really think it's something that ought to be possible
[08:46] <theopensourcerer> At home the three desktops we have (me, wife and kids) are all custom builds by me.
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> And my home server too.
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> :-(
[08:47] <BigRedS> yeah, I completely get the benefits, I just don't have the patience to work out what I want...
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> But that one is an embedded VIA anyway
[08:47] <BigRedS> Actually, my last several PCs have been custom-builds, just by somebody else
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> I reckon this will be the end of Custom PC magazine then too.
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> End of an era.
[08:48] <danfish> morning
[08:48]  * theopensourcerer already asked wifey to cancel his subscription next cycle.
[08:48] <diplo> AMD theopensourcerer ?
[08:48] <danfish> the nagios site is down "Server error - server <IP_ADDRESS> is unreachable at this moment."
 Must have been a glitch in the matrix :)
[08:50] <diplo> :)
[08:50] <BigRedS> Oh! Nagios.org?
[08:50]  * BigRedS demands coffee
[08:59] <Myrtti> meh
[09:06] <dwatkins> I thoroughly agree, Myrtti.
[09:14] <BigRedS> 'thoroughly agree' seems a bit antithetical to 'meh'...
[09:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[09:16] <dwatkins> BigRedS: true, I was agreeing with the sentiment behind the statement, I suppose.
[10:14] <danfish> xmas soon - what to by the geek in your life?
[10:16] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/29FWHGD2GAECA  # something from their wishlist? :D
[10:16] <AlanBell> subtle
[10:17] <popey> :)
[10:17] <danfish> agreed - wtf is that first book about sharpening pencils? Is the companion book the history of cement?
[10:18] <AlanBell> someone pointed me at a reddit interview of the pencil sharpening chap the other day
[10:18] <AlanBell> probably popey
[10:19] <popey> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2012/05/david-rees-how-to-sharpen-pencils.html
[10:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> Anybody here using a trackball?
[10:24] <Azelphur> bigcalm: I am
[10:24] <popey> if by trackball you mean trackpoint, yes :)
[10:24] <bigcalm> Azelphur: finger or thumb operated?
[10:25] <bigcalm> popey: that's a nipple, so no :)
[10:25] <popey> \o/ nipples
[10:25] <bigcalm> :D
[10:25] <Azelphur> bigcalm: thumb
[10:26] <bigcalm> Azelphur: have you used both? Do you use it all the time, every day? Do you get any pain from using it?
[10:27] <Azelphur> bigcalm: I havn't used anything but thumb for a long time, no I don't, I imagine I would do from a mouse considering the amount of time I spend using it :
[10:28] <bigcalm> Azelphur: that's all good to know, thanks :)
[10:28] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I have bad RSI from years of mouse usage, so now I'm looking for an alternative
[10:28] <bigcalm> Azelphur: just trying to work out if I should get a thumb or fingers operated one
[10:29] <Azelphur> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/wireless-trackball-m570
[10:29] <Azelphur> that's what I have
[10:29]  * theopensourcerer has just taken delivery of some new computer h/w :-) Lappy, monitors, hub, cables...
[10:29] <bigcalm> Yeah, been looking at the M570
[10:29] <bigcalm> theopensourcerer: for your new lacky?
[10:29] <AlanBell> theopensourcerer: woot
[10:29] <Azelphur> I also have one of these http://www.dansdata.com/images/ltcontrollers/tmw440.jpg if you want it I'll do it for £5 + pnp :p
[10:30] <Azelphur> it's the predecessor to the M570
[10:30] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I'll keep that in mind, ta :)
[10:30] <Azelphur> :)
[10:32] <bigcalm> Though I'm used to having extra buttons for navigation
[10:38] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I've been using a thumb-operated trackball for about ten years now
[10:38] <BigRedS> with no known issues
[10:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: hello chap
[10:40] <theopensourcerer> Lappy is rather nice... And sans Windows Tax \o/
[10:42] <theopensourcerer> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/647hTvNJtsp
[10:43] <einonm> theopensourcerer: cool, what's the plastic case on it like?
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> It isn't plastic.
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> It's metal
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> Feels good and sturdy. Thin too.
[10:44] <einonm> even better.
[10:46] <AlanBell> no secure boot efi stuff presumeably
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> Dunno - gone back to work now.
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> Will take it home tonight and plug a UDB stick in
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> or USB even
[10:49] <JamesTait> theopensourcerer, what's the model number? I'm pre-emptively looking at laptops ready for when I turn this thing in.
[10:50] <bigcalm> BigRedS: that's another plus for thumbs :)
[10:50] <JamesTait> And I'm all for supporting companies who sell OS-free hardware.
[10:51] <theopensourcerer> JamesTait: Think it was this one to which we added another 4G of RAM http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html
[10:52] <JamesTait> theopensourcerer, excellent, thanks! I'll take a look and add it to the shortlist!
[10:53] <theopensourcerer> The 4 to 8G RAM upgrade cost £9.60
[10:53] <JamesTait> Wow, £90 extra for Windows 7!
[10:53] <JamesTait> Windows 7 Home as well.
[10:53] <theopensourcerer> Windows is between £91 and £163 depending on version
[10:54] <theopensourcerer> It came with a carry case (rucksack)
[10:54] <JamesTait> I'm so completely out of touch with Windows these days.
[10:54] <theopensourcerer> Me too.
[10:55] <AlanBell> wish all computers asked for an operating system on first boot
[10:55] <JamesTait> +1
[10:56] <JamesTait> Although I can imagine my dad being incredibly annoyed if they did.
[10:56] <theopensourcerer> JamesTait: Some piccies of the "unboxing" https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/B1fLCcVCfsJ
[10:57] <JamesTait> Ooh, that case does look nice.
[10:57] <JamesTait> And it's nice and thin too.
[10:58] <JamesTait> If I had one of those, I might not nearly give myself a hernia every time I travelled with my computer.
[11:03] <BigRedS> wot no nipple?
[11:03] <dwatkins> My laptop is 13", and I much prefer taking the netbook instead as it`s a lot smaller.
[11:04] <popey> heh
[11:05] <popey> thats now my benchmark for a laptop, does it have a touchpoint nipple
[11:05] <popey> if not, -> bin
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo
[11:05] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:06] <davmor2> hello bigcalm
[11:06] <diplo> You're one of the only people I know that likes the touchpoint nipple popey
[11:06] <bigcalm> I think I'd like a nipple if I had one
[11:06] <diplo> Guy next to me has never used his, nor anyone else in the office.. they actually get more annoyed with it being there
[11:06] <bigcalm> You can remove it (ymmv)
[11:06] <popey> oddballs
[11:07] <popey> you can buy an external keyboard with one in :)
[11:07] <popey> (see my wishlist) :D
[11:07] <popey> also http://www.pckeyboard.com/
[11:07] <BigRedS> it makes it way easier to pick laptops
[11:07] <BigRedS> when I was looking I only had to pick between about three
[11:07] <BigRedS> and I think two of them were Lenovo
[11:08] <popey> who else does them?
[11:08] <BigRedS> Dell used to do them on their Latitudes, and HP did a longer time ago
[11:08] <BigRedS> I don't think either do any more
[11:08] <dwatkins> I rarely open my laptop ;) it sits on my desk at work closed and connected to a monitor, mouse and keyboard.
[11:08] <bigcalm> Toshiba used to
[11:11] <BigRedS> Hm. Dell's website seems too broken to tell me if they still do
[11:19] <mgdm> My first laptop was a Toshiba, it only had the nipple, so that's how I got used to them
[11:19] <mgdm> prefer it above anyting else apart from maybe a Mac trackpad with all the gestures
[11:21] <popey> yeah
[11:25] <AlanBell> are there any generic alternatives to the apple magic touchpad?
[11:26] <popey> yes
[11:26] <davmor2> AlanBell: well there might of been till apple sued them all for making a touchpad :D
[11:27] <popey> dunno if they're multitouch tho
[11:27] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cirque-Easy-Cat-Glidepoint-Touchpad/dp/B000V5IFQA
[11:28] <AlanBell> that looks a bit rubbish
[11:28] <AlanBell> laptop touchpad on a wire
[11:29] <mgdm> I have a magic trackpad, but I took it to work for now
[11:29] <mgdm> it is very nice, and sort-of works with Ubuntu, but the weighting in the gesture config needs some work
[11:29] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/282973-logitech-wireless-touchpad-910-002442 looks a bit more like it
[12:26] <AlanBell> schwuk: can you stop the away script please
[12:26] <directhex> moo
[12:27] <popey> directhex, you may also want to do a video showing what happens with secure boot on and booting a live cd
[12:27] <popey> also, moo
[12:28] <directhex> popey, a bit more awkward, no CD drive on the x230 :D
[12:28] <directhex> i could use the T530 for that tho
[12:28] <dwatkins> strange, I thought I'd gotten irssi to ignore nickspam
[12:30] <popey> oh, or usb, sorry
[12:31] <directhex> i *do* have a USB CD drive
[12:31] <directhex> well, dvd burner
[12:31] <directhex> but the T530 might be easier
[12:35] <davmor2> popey: do you have ATI on any of your quantal boxes and did the binary driver ever install and display unity?
[12:38] <popey> no
[12:38] <popey> I only answered one of your questions, I do not feel it necessary to continue with the questioning :)
[12:40] <BigRedS> Which one's quantal? My home PC is 12.10 and I'm going to need to install a binary driver to get steam working on it
[12:40] <BigRedS> ah, 12.10 I guess. I know the alphabet, honest!
[12:42] <popey> !quantal
[12:43] <popey> Time passes..
[12:43] <Laney> no bot
[12:43] <popey> AlanBell, we're missing a bot here
[12:44] <Daviey> and mootbot is stuffed in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:44] <dogmatic69> memory usage 6.5GB -> sudo killall -9 chrome -> 1.2GB :/
[12:47] <BigRedS> I used to graph firefox memory usage, but that just scared me
[12:48] <popey> anyone here live in Leeds?
[12:49] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: I think they have some code that goes, while(memory) { fillit(); }
[12:50] <BigRedS> haha
[12:52] <popey> same happens with roads and kitchen bins
[12:52] <popey> tis human nature
[12:56] <BigRedS> moving to leeds?
[12:56] <BigRedS> :)
[13:01] <popey> no, come dine with me are looking for people in various places including leeds
[13:01] <popey> https://www.facebook.com/comedinewithme/posts/10151282375899204
[13:05] <BigRedS> ahhh
[13:11] <AlanBell> popey: Daviey: I am very aware of this . . .
[13:12] <BigRedS> popey: a while ago you asked for recommendations for people learning vi, what did you settle on, and was it vi or vim?
[13:12] <popey> BigRedS, vimtutor
[13:12] <popey> and a printed cheatsheet
[13:12] <n1md4> BigRedS: tsk tsk, you should have asked me :P
[13:12] <n1md4> vi
[13:12] <n1md4> vi
[13:12] <n1md4> vi
[13:12] <n1md4> :P
[13:31] <BigRedS> popey: ta!
[15:23] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/13xpq4/game_performance_improvement_for_ubuntu_available/
[15:27] <czajkowski> https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2012-11-28-extended-deadlines/ may be of interest to some
[15:51] <balor> czajkowski, Is your twitter account haxor3d?
[15:51] <czajkowski> no.
[15:51] <czajkowski> why ?
[15:52] <balor> czajkowski, ah, just all the debit card stuff seemed strange
[15:52] <czajkowski> balor: yeah read the last one it's about security
[15:52] <czajkowski> people actually tweet their CC which has their name long number and exp date
[15:53] <balor> czajkowski, AH
[15:53] <balor> strange people
[15:54] <BigRedS> there used to be a robot that retweeted CC info
[15:56] <directhex> wiiu preordered
[16:13] <gord> forgot the wiiu wasn't out here yet
[16:15] <directhex> friday here.
[16:29] <BigRedS> I want my grub to automatically boot the first option out of that 'advanced options' submenu. Is that an easy thing to make it do?
[16:31] <BigRedS> oh, it's documented!
[16:57] <mungojerry> gord , did you go to hyper japan?
[16:58] <mungojerry> http://www.hyperjapan.co.uk/whats-on/foodanddrink/food-zone.html
[16:58] <gord> nope
[17:00] <gord> all looks so good
[17:00] <gord> i came back with half a suit case full of treats from korea, lots of tasty pocky ripoffs
[17:02] <mungojerry> this was in earls court though ...bit closer :D
[18:10] <bootinfdsds> Just posted a present to AlanBell :)
[18:15] <Myrtti> oh my, how far ahead do they record EggHeads...
[18:22] <bootinfdsds> dunno.. i thought that show was redundant by now.
[19:01] <jacobw> evening
[19:33] <popey> heh, got a phone call from a friend asking what tablet to buy for her husband
[19:35] <Azelphur> when in doubt nexus 7
[19:35] <Azelphur> :p
[19:41]  * dw4tkins agrees with Azelphur
[19:42]  * brobostigon also agres.
[19:42] <directhex> depends on budget, and odd requirements. for the average grunt on the street, any ipad is best, assuming they can afford the apple tax
[19:43] <directhex> nexus 7 is a cheap alternative which is in the same ball park for usability, though. see also kindle fire hd
[19:44] <mgdm> we have a Fire HD and a 7 at work
[19:44] <mgdm> IIRC the screen on the 7 is higher resolution, despite the Fire being physically bigger
[19:47] <dw4tkins> I like the mini size of the Nexus, not sure how it compares to the iPad mini
[19:47] <dw4tkins> s/Nexus/Nexus 7/
[19:48] <mgdm> I played with an iPad mini yesterday, briefly
[19:48] <mgdm> belongs to our designer chap who works one week a month
[19:49] <mgdm> I was mildly surprised to discover it hasn't got a Retina display
[21:07] <Azelphur> Anyone recommend a nice current account with some nice perks / introductory offers? :)
[21:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno about perks but we've been pretty happy with First Direct (HSBC) since it started...
[21:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> If I was looking now I think I would have Virgin on my list to check out.
[21:12]  * AlanBell is also happy with first direct
[21:15] <AlanBell> First Direct was formed on 1 October 1989
[21:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sounds about right. I was 24.
[21:20] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: how is the laptop?
[21:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> It boots from a stick
[21:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Other than that I haven't done much.
[21:21] <AlanBell> ok, generally nice bit of kit?
[21:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's very nicely built. Feels solid and stursy yeah.
[21:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> sturdy
[21:22] <Azelphur> my parents had lots of problems with my local hsbc branch, I hear good things about hsbc often, but our local branch is a bit fail I think
[21:22] <AlanBell> first direct really isn't much to do with HSBC branches
[21:22] <AlanBell> all telephone and internet based
[21:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> With First Direct you really don't need to use a branch. Everything by Internet/phone
[21:23] <Azelphur> that's fun
[21:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> But if you need to pay in a cheque for example - then you can use HSBC branches
[21:23] <AlanBell> branches are just for depositing cheques from strange customers
[21:23] <Azelphur> ah
[21:24] <Azelphur> first direct are offering £100 for when I switch, but then they'd prolly want me to close my santander too
[21:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Astronomers find biggest black hole, 17 BILLION times the size of Sun
[21:24] <Azelphur> which from experience is rather difficult :p
[21:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/biggest_black_hole/
[21:24] <AlanBell> gosh, don't drop things in that
[21:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think it would be hard not too.


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[09:12] <bdrung> ubuntu-archive: regarding tzdata 2022g update (LP: #1998321): There is now a ICU data update available. Should I wait for the SRU to finish or upload another version to update the ICU data to 2022g?
[09:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1998321 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "tzdata 2022g release" [Critical, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1998321
[09:26] <seb128> bdrung, that's a question for SRU team rather than archive team I think
[09:27] <bdrung> seb128, is there a separate channel for the SRU team?
[09:28] <seb128> no, I don't think they have an official contact point or alias, which is a problem imho but I haven't see interested from them in getting that resolved
[09:28] <seb128> I would recommending to nag the person on duty today which according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates is Lukasz (but he's not online atm)
[09:29] <bdrung> thanks. I'll poke him.
[09:45] <rbasak> bdrung: either is fine in principle. It just affects latency in getting updates out, or forcing users to update twice, and risking regression (eg. a mistake during review or verification) twice. We usually leave it up to the uploader to lead on that decision.
[09:48] <rbasak> bdrung: the autopkgtest failures need looking at though?
[09:58] <bdrung> rbasak, IIRC those autopkgtest failures happened in the last tzdata update as well and are false positives
[10:00] <rbasak> bdrung: that's fine, but please explain in the bug. Feel free to link to old comments to save typing!
[10:01] <rbasak> The key is that we aren't experts in every package. We expect the uploader or sponsor to know all the details and tell us, since that's way quicker than trying to figure it out ourselves on every single SRU.
[10:03] <rbasak> Oh, and if you do want to upload on top of the existing proposed upload without releasing it, please upload but do tell us in the bug, so we are sure that's your intention and that will save us asking :)
[10:04] <rbasak> seb128: official contact point is this channel or #ubuntu-devel. I'm not sure that having a keyword will help - we're all swamped already. Sorry about that, but we are working on it!
[10:11] <seb128> rbasak, right, I'm not convinced that's an efficient way or that most of the SRU team members will keep up with the channel activity and backlog. Like I asked a question yesterday which might be not trivial and which I would really like to get an answer to but I didn't, maybe I should just use the devel mailing list
[10:12] <seb128> but same, it's unclear to me that every SRU team members is actively watching devel.u.c
[10:13] <seb128> rbasak, I'm ready to bet that nobody from SRU is going to dig the channel history to go back and answer my question (or would have without the current discussion)
[10:14] <seb128> not to mention that I was disconnected by the time some of the members could have reply or that some members like Lukasz aren't even connected atm so will probably have no chance to see the conversation
[10:15] <rbasak> seb128: I thought you meant on IRC. The MLs should also be fine to ask questions. What change do you think would help?
[10:18] <seb128> rbasak, if ubuntu-devel@ is the recommended way to reach out to the SRU group in a way which is less flaky than IRC (for the reasons mentioned before) maybe documenting that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and ensuring SRU teams members do watch the list at least (which I've no idea if they all do)
[10:19] <seb128> rbasak, or having a contact-this-team enabled on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru (which might need a mailing list to be defined for the team?)
[10:20] <rbasak> seb128: I think ubuntu-devel@ or ubuntu-release@ would be fine, and IMHO it's a problem if SRU team members aren't reading it. I thought they all were, but if not, I'd be in favour of making it mandatory.
[10:21] <seb128> rbasak, k, let me post there and see I have more luck than by asking on IRC :)
[10:21] <seb128> thanks
[10:21] <rbasak> seb128: I think other SRU team members probably expect ubuntu-release@ to be the "official" ML contact point for the SRU team, and I'm happy to document that right now.
[10:21] <seb128> rbasak, should I pick release instead of devel for my email then?
[10:23] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates needs a major refactor and cleanup, which is on my TODO (but fixing the current backlog issues comes first!). Should I just add a new top level heading at the bottom for now? "Contacting the SRU team"? I suppose I could move the current bit embedded into Publishing down there as well. Will that be acceptable do you think?
[10:23] <seb128> yes, that would be acceptable
[10:23] <rbasak> seb128: I suggest ubuntu-release@, but I don't think it should make much of a difference!
[10:31] <seb128> rbasak, ack, sent now
[10:38] <rbasak> seb128: wiki updated. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Contacting_the_SRU_team is new, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing has info moved to the new section with a hyperlink from the old place. I hope that's helpful.
[10:40] <rbasak> seb128: on your question, I've seen it done, but I don't know the details. I think it's between the MIR team and AAs - the SRU team aren't really involved. But ubuntu-release@ is still the right place to ask, and hopefully one of those people will respond :)
[10:40] <seb128> rbasak, thanks for the wiki edit, that's a welcome improvement imho
[10:43] <rbasak> seb128: np. It wasn't at all obvious to me that relevant people didn't know how to contact us. So it was good feedback and good to get it documented :)
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[12:10] <juliank> Getting around to doing python-apt releases a proper upstream way for this bug
[12:11] <juliank> Things will be a bit awkward in jammy as that'll move from 2.3.0 to 2.4.0 as that's the stable release series versioning, just forgot to close the 2.3 development branch
[12:23] <juliank> It's a bit annoying because of those mirror lists being updated at each point release which really shouldn't be in there
[12:42] <juliank> I think we accidentally end up with binutils installed in our autopkgtest images when tests should be depending on that
[12:43] <juliank> Because I see that now that I'm using autopkgtest ... -- podman ubuntu:<release> - running tests in those minimal images they fail because binutils are missing
[12:43] <juliank> same if I manually bootstrap a container with essential + apt
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-apt (focal-proposed/main) [2.0.0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.0.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-apt (bionic-proposed/main) [1.6.5ubuntu0.7 => 1.6.6] (core)
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-apt [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.6.6]
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-apt [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.6.6]
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[12:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (jammy-proposed/main) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (focal-proposed/main) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-apt (bionic-proposed/main) [1.6.5ubuntu0.7 => 1.6.6] (core)
[13:02] <juliank> I guess jammy gets 2.4.0 and kinetic gets 2.4.0+22.10
[13:02] <juliank> should make sure it builds in kinetic
[13:02] <juliank> We never built python-apt in kinetic, it was copied from lunar release at archive opening and received 0 updates :(
[13:03] <juliank> might as well upload 2.4.0 and binary copy it up to kinetic-proposed after it built in jammy-proposed
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cargo (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.62.0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2 => 0.64.0ubuntu0.libgit2-0ubuntu0.22.10] (i386-whitelist)
[13:44] <schopin> Could someone drop this cargo upload ^ ? I momentarily forgot that I'm supposed to go through the security PPA for those -_-
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cargo [source] (kinetic-proposed) [0.64.0ubuntu0.libgit2-0ubuntu0.22.10]
[14:01] <seb128> schopin, ^
[14:01] <schopin> thx :)
[14:01] <seb128> ahasenack, hey. I'm unsure if someone replied to your question yesterday, but checking https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/gnss-sdr/lunar/s390x your retry had version =  0.0.17-1ubuntu2 , despite the trigger, I'm unsure why but that's the reason the status was still on failed
[14:02] <ahasenack> yeah, I was just checking on that
[14:02] <ahasenack> and see that when using ubuntu3, it's indeed failing
[14:02] <ahasenack> core dump
[14:02] <seb128> ahasenack, also I did retry and it picked the right version but it's failing to feels there is probably a real issue there
[14:02] <ahasenack> agreed
[14:02] <seb128> correct
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tmux [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.2a-4ubuntu0.1]
[15:10] <fnordahl> Anyone have a moment for openvswitch jammy 2.17.3-0ubuntu1? Now that the point release update to kinetic has been released it would be good to continue the process for jammy
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-criterion [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.3.6-2] (no packageset)
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.18 [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[16:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.18 [source] (focal-proposed) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (lunar-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu15 => 2.06-2ubuntu15] (core, i386-whitelist)
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (jammy-proposed) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (lunar-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu15 => 2.06-2ubuntu15] (core, i386-whitelist)
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-criterion [s390x] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.3.6-2] (no packageset)
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [i386] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-criterion [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.3.6-2] (no packageset)
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-criterion [armhf] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.3.6-2] (no packageset)
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [s390x] (bionic-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [s390x] (focal-proposed/none) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:24] <juliank> sil2100: If you can accept the grub2-unsigned upload in lunar, that'd be great. It's a bit annoying as we only need it because grub2 declares >= ${binary:Version} dependencies, but oh well. We'll resign everything with the new 2022 keys when they become available.
[16:25] <juliank> This does include all the CVE fixes which is nice
[16:26] <juliank> And some more fixes in the -unsigned bits we inherit from ubutnu14
[16:28] <sil2100> o/
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (focal-proposed) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:29] <ricotz> I have cancelled the retried libreoffice/kinetic builds for amd64/arm64, they require https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiff/4.4.0-4ubuntu3.2
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu15]
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [arm64] (lunar-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu15]
[16:33] <juliank> sil2100: thanks!
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [arm64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [armhf] (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[17:18] <falcojr> ahasenack: cloud-init has an SRU for Bionic, Focal, Jammy, and Kinetic per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1996645 . We have completed testing and would like to get a final review on it. We're aware that the current upload has not been through the full aging time, but we would like an exception to the normal aging process because this SRU contains a crucial fix to a regression preventing MAAS from updating to latest...
[17:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1996645 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "sru cloud-init (22.3.4 to 22.4.2) Bionic, Focal, Jammy, Kinetic" [Undecided, New]
[17:18] <falcojr> ... images. Prior to the current upload, the previous upload aged appropriated and passed all tests. The current upload only has two additional commits that are targeted to specific scenarios that have been verified by their submitters.
[17:42] <ahasenack> falcojr: I'll look into it
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-zstd [amd64] (lunar-proposed/none) [0.11.2-1] (no packageset)
[17:44] <ahasenack> falcojr: it's one day young?
[17:47] <falcojr> ahasenack: it was uploaded Tuesday, but there's only two additional commits that haven't aged
[17:47] <ahasenack> I thought it would be like just below the limit, like 5 or 6 days
[17:47] <ahasenack> but one day :)
[17:47] <ahasenack> I'll look at it, but I don't know if I have enough senioriry in the SRU team to tweak the rules like that
[17:48] <falcojr> thanks, we thought that since the original went through the aging, this wouldn't be a problem, but maybe it is
[17:49] <ahasenack> I can still count in my hand the number of SRU packages I have released into updates ;)
[17:50] <falcojr> I'm just trying to keep things interesting :)
[17:50] <ahasenack> I want to avoid the "Andreas pressed the button that broke the clouds" scenario ;)
[17:51] <ahasenack> "he died so young"
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted swtpm [source] (kinetic-proposed) [0.6.3-0ubuntu4.1]
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-zstd [riscv64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.2-1] (no packageset)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-zstd [s390x] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.2-1] (no packageset)
[18:26] <ahasenack> falcojr: is that regression that affects maas from 22.4.0, or earlier? And which bug is it specifically?
[18:26] <ahasenack> is it the cloud-init status --wait one?
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2.23.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[18:28] <bdmurray> falcojr: What's the pressing reason for releasing it today as opposed to Monday?
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [i386] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[18:30] <falcojr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1993836 is the one that affects maas...part of the original upload
[18:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1993836 in maas-images "Libvirt VM host provisioning never completes with image revision 20221018" [Critical, Triaged]
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.23.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.23.0-0ubuntu1.1] (core)
[18:31] <ahasenack> falcojr: at some point you decided to step on the breaks of the original 22.4.0 SRU (which aged properly) and fix two more bugs
[18:31] <ahasenack> and the MAAS bug is fixed in the original 22.4.0 upload
[18:32] <ahasenack> ("you decided": cloud-init team, not you you :)
[18:32] <ahasenack> so you made a choice to have the maas bug fix on hold because of the two new bugs you wanted to fix?
[18:33] <falcojr> Yes, we thought it'd be easier to roll our new fixes into the current SRU rather than start a new one. The Azure one (https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1844191) came as a high priority customer request, so we thought we could move things along faster this way...but...maybe that was wrong
[18:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1844191 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "azure advanced networking sometimes triggers duplicate mac detection" [Undecided, In Progress]
[18:34] <blackboxsw> ahasenack: the cloud-init status --wait bug was a regression discovered during  our SRU verification of 22.4.0 which meant we couldn't release 22.4.0.  Since we needed the fix for cloud-init status --wait we also folded in the high-priority fix for duplicate mac address failures for Azure.
[18:35] <bdmurray> So you discovered the regression when the package was still in -proposed? If that's correct I guess that speaks to your level of testing of things in -proposed.
[18:37] <blackboxsw> bdmurray,  this bug was discovered  by subiquity integration test runners on lunar for the same release we published to lunar before starting the SRU verification process. So it as an accolade for their test coverage that happened to give us a signal during our -proposed validation window
[18:37] <blackboxsw> so thanks ogayot for the bug during SRU verification^
[18:37] <bdmurray> And everything is passing now?
[18:38] <blackboxsw> yes, ogayot confirmed we are clear on that early boot status --wait race condition yesterday
[18:38] <bdmurray> and they didn't find anything else wrong? ;-)
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-zstd [armhf] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.2-1] (no packageset)
[18:39] <dbungert> I'm sure we could take another look
[18:39] <bdmurray> bug 1993836 has been open for months so I'm not clear on why its a rush job now
[18:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 1993836 in maas-images "Libvirt VM host provisioning never completes with image revision 20221018" [Critical, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993836
[18:39] <blackboxsw> and I added his context to the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1997559/comments/9
[18:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1997559 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Kinetic) "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'partition'" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-zstd [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.2-1] (no packageset)
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-zstd [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.2-1] (no packageset)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools-signed [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2.23.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [s390x] (kinetic-proposed) [2.23.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[18:44] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: it doesn't really have to be a rush job, but we would like to at least expedite by Monday if we could. MAAS team has pinned their images at an old cloud image version to prevent regression of deployments due to 1993836. Because those images are pinned they can't release new updates for customers or any critical bug fixes.... so there is time-sensitivity there in general.
[18:45] <blackboxsw> MAAS currently has a customer looking for such an update in image streams , but that update is blocked by the pin protecting MAAS deployments from being exposed to the provisioning bug in cloud-init fixed in 22.4.0/2
[18:51] <bdmurray> Let's play it safe and wait for Monday. If you can't find a European to do it early feel free to ping me.
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [amd64] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[18:57] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: ahasenack thanks. that makes sense. This was a proposal to see if we are comfortable with the supplemental changeset with lack of aging given the confined nature of the supplemnetal bugs fixed and the manual validation performed. We'll bring this up next week. thanks gents
[18:58] <ahasenack> there is lack of aging, and there is 1 day :)
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.18 [riscv64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[19:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-manager (jammy-proposed/main) [1:22.04.9 => 1:22.04.10] (core)
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [s390x] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [arm64] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-manager (focal-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[19:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sddm (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.19.0-3ubuntu1 => 0.19.0-3ubuntu1.1] (kubuntu)
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sddm (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.19.0-2ubuntu2 => 0.19.0-2ubuntu2.1] (kubuntu)
[20:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tomcat9 [source] (focal-proposed) [9.0.31-1ubuntu0.4]
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-desktop (jammy-proposed/universe) [10.6.1-1ubuntu2 => 10.6.1-1ubuntu3] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-desktop (kinetic-proposed/universe) [10.6.4+git20220830-2 => 10.6.4+git20220830-2ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [armhf] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.63.0+dfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: age [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
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[00:37]  * MarkDude feels sorrry for Mr Spector
[00:38] <MarkDude> How many ways can you say, Im sorry is broken?
[00:52] <bkerensa> LOL
[00:52] <bkerensa> Why?
[00:52] <bkerensa> He has a good job now
[00:52] <bkerensa> ;)
[00:52] <bkerensa> he doesnt have to be at the same company as Robert Scoble
[00:53] <MarkDude> LP  sucks
[00:53] <MarkDude> Scoble is just fine
[00:53]  * MarkDude hopes to work with that nice douchbag at  some point
[00:54] <MarkDude> Sry mr D=bag Scoble
[00:54] <MarkDude> They hire asshats that are attention whores
[00:54] <MarkDude> Sounds like it was made for ME
[01:54] <bkerensa> +1
[01:57] <MarkDude>  can i be called the Terrblizer?
[02:02] <c_smith> and I'm back, using 32-bit now.
[02:41] <c_smith> people is idling..... well, time to do this.
[02:41]  * c_smith leaves
[15:15]  * bkerensa goes to install a module to apache on a CentOS server
[15:15] <bkerensa> yay
[19:49] <c_smith> heyloa
[22:57] <Guest47991> nick TRAVISg
[23:12] <c_smith> hyello