[10:31] <rmg51> Morning
[10:55] <jackson> morning o/
[13:13] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[14:53]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[18:17] <ChinnoDog> So.. Ubuntu for Android.... why aren't I using it yet?
[18:18] <pleia2> because it hasn't been released
[18:18] <pleia2> ask lamalex about it
[18:22] <ChinnoDog> I can't blame lamalex because he isn't here.
[18:23] <pleia2> s/blame/ask
[18:23] <ChinnoDog> blaming is more fun though because it is lamalex
[18:23] <pleia2> I don't think he's in charge of product release, but he should know something
[18:23] <ChinnoDog> k.
[18:43]  * waltman is holding out for Xubuntu for Android
[18:43]  * waltman just sighted a MutantTurkey
[18:56] <ssweeny> you know too much already
[21:37] <jedijf> waltman: did the turkey have a resume for tailfeathers?
[21:43] <waltman> I discretely didn't bring up his resume, seeing as how we were chatting with his boss at a different job at Drexel at the time. :)
[21:51] <jedijf> ahh, very good
[22:22] <IdleOne> jedijf: You still the person to talk to about LoCo stuff getting done?
[22:22] <roasted_> hello!
[22:23] <IdleOne> heya roasted_ I belive you want to talk to jedijf about your project, not sure he is here right now though
[22:23] <IdleOne> believe*
[22:23] <roasted_> sounds good
[22:23] <roasted_> thanks for the insight bro
[22:23] <IdleOne> no problem
[22:23] <roasted_> I gotta switch clients tho - need to work on my server hosting irssi
[23:17] <jedijf> IdleOne: yeah
[23:17] <jedijf> roasted___: wassup?
[23:18] <ChinnoDog> hi jedijf
[23:18] <jedijf> hello ChinnoDog
[23:36] <ChinnoDog> I am trying to fix my desktop computer.. finally. RAID bios hangs after BIOS update. Looks like one particular drive causes it to hang
[23:38] <roasted___> hey there jedijf
[23:39] <ChinnoDog> howdy roasted___. I haven't seen you here before.
[23:39] <roasted___> jedijf: I was just bangin around some ideas when I was in the ubuntu-offtopic chat. I work for a public school district in the IT department. I heard some numbers that suggested a higher number (than I thought) of students have no computer at home. That kind of got the ball rolling for an idea... about repurposing older P4 (and newer) machines that people might otherwise throw out in favor of something like, say, Ubuntu wit
[23:40] <roasted___> need accordingly based on what the principals and guidance counselors think since they would have a better idea of financial situations with certain families.
[23:40] <roasted___> ChinnoDog: haven't been here before. This channel was recommended to me.
[23:40] <roasted___> Then it was brought to my attention that some other people might already be doing this, so here I am. :D
[23:44] <ChinnoDog> roasted___: who recommended?
[23:45] <pleia2> IdleOne, seems like
[23:45] <roasted___> ChinnoDog: come to think of it, I may have gotten two groups mixed up.
[23:45] <roasted___> I think the point of coming here was, hey, I'm an Ubuntu user from Lancaster PA. :D
[23:45] <ChinnoDog> Oh yea? I am from Ephrata.
[23:45] <roasted___> nice, nice
[23:47]  * IdleOne wonders how pleia2 is liking her new employer
[23:47]  * pleia2 happy dance
[23:48] <waltman> pleia2: wow, it's already been a week, hasn't it?
[23:48] <jedijf> that's the week one anywhere dance
[23:48] <pleia2> waltman: yep!
[23:49] <pleia2> flying to Seattle on Sunday to actually meet some of my team for real
[23:49]  * IdleOne dances with pleia2
[23:49] <pleia2> :)
[23:52] <IdleOne> So, anyway. roasted___ had an idea about helping kids get computers and I sorta remembered ubuntu-pa doing something like that at some point and I also mentioned Partimus to him, who I know are in SF but they might have insight to offer.
[23:52] <IdleOne> Now he just needs to start emailing people and get something going I guess.
[23:53] <waltman> pleia2: How are you adjusting to having coworkers in the same time zone as you?
[23:53] <roasted___> I want to take some initial baby steps because I'm pretty confident I can dig up a ton of gear considering I have several hundred co-workers who are all about helping kids.
[23:53] <pleia2> waltman: my boss has been in europe all week and the team is actually quite scattered, so... not :)
[23:54] <waltman> hah
[23:54] <waltman> but...but...Seattle!
[23:54] <IdleOne> pleia2: Like the old job, but better!
[23:54] <pleia2> yeah, there are a couple people there, so I do have some coworkers in my timezon!
[23:54] <pleia2> +e
[23:54] <pleia2> it's also nice to not have a phone
[23:54] <pleia2> everyone just uses IRC <3
[23:54] <IdleOne> nice
[23:55] <pleia2> roasted___: IdleOne mentioned Partimus.org, we're doing this in San Francisco, so far we've only really been able to get into public charter schools, school districts are terribly bureaucratic and near impossible to get into
[23:56] <pleia2> ubuntu pennsylvania did work with a recycling program, an adult learning center and girlsinc.org
[23:56] <waltman> Yesterday morning I emailed someone who I thought was 2 blocks away about doing a talk next month. He didn't reply until last night. Turned out he had to fly home to China for a funeral, and now he's stuck there until he gets a new visa.
[23:56] <roasted___> pleia2: I hear ya. I work for a school district, so I know what hoops it takes in order to get district-purchased equipment the "ok" to recycle and/or donate.
[23:56] <roasted___> pleia2: this idea though is being driven from personal gear that teachers may own... have laying around in their basement, garage, etc.
[23:57] <roasted___> that makes it exponentially easier since the gear is being donated from individuals, and not necessarily from a district who purchased it with tax payer dollars (which is where it gets hairy)
[23:58] <pleia2> roasted___: the barrier we've run into is district-mandated "standards" for hardware and software that specifically exempt things that aren't approved in triplicate by some committee
[23:58] <roasted___> this is still in its infancy stages yet. I only got the okay to talk to staff at an upcoming meeting a few hours ago.
[23:58] <pleia2> one of our teachers even had to go to bat to protect the linux lab he built for his students from one of the district higher ups, it was pretty sad
[23:59] <roasted___> yeah, that's pretty bad
[23:59] <pleia2> (he had allies so it worked out, but it shouldn't have happened)


[00:44] <oerheks> bug #1
[01:08] <tripleb> has anyone here ever had some experience making new swap for an installation whee to swap was just too small. (Somehow I made 16M instead of 16G. I have lots of unassigned partitions - but I did all the partitions with the windows formatter. (I forgot my windows password.)
[01:08] <tripleb> Then I have to inform "something" to reassign the swap partition.
[01:08] <sarnold> tripleb: just make a new swap file, one or two gigs should be fine
[01:09] <tripleb> I have 8G of RAM. My problem is the computer freezes (hard reboot) when I use chrome.
[01:10] <tripleb> How do I "make a new swap file. Can I make my 18.04 partition smaller. (now I am using 10.04. sarnold
[01:11] <tripleb> whoa "Heart And Chops" has spaces in her nick!
[01:12] <tripleb> sarnold -- CORRECTION: I am now using 20.04
[01:12] <tripleb> My eyes faded out there.
[01:12] <sarnold> tripleb: dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/filesystem/swapfile bs=$((1024*1024)) count=1024  -- whichever filesystem has enough space for one..
[01:13] <sarnold> tripleb: then mkswap /path/to/filesystem/swapfile ; then swapon /path/to/filesystem/swapfile , the run swapon again to make sure it worked
[01:13] <tripleb> OK now I have to learn what that statement does. -- Dont I have to use gparted to carve off the gigs?
[01:13] <tripleb> dd and swapon
[01:14] <sarnold> tripleb: using a swap file means not needing to mess with partitions
[01:16] <tripleb> I have a swap partition now. You are suggesting something called a swap file. Right?
[01:16] <sarnold> yes
[01:16] <tripleb> Which means if I ever overwrite that partion then I have to make sure I take care of the swapfile.
[01:16] <sarnold> what?
[01:17] <tripleb> So I better use the 20.04 partition.
[01:17] <tripleb> I have a set of partitions so I can try different flavors.
[01:17] <tripleb> Maybe I will overwrite it now with manjaro.
[01:21] <Bashing-om> tripleb: Now-a-days a swap file is prefered over a swap partition.
[01:21] <sarnold> I think the installer switched to creating swap files rather than partitions
[01:22] <tripelb> OhKay. I will go look that up. Making partitions has always been a stress for me. It's the most stressful part of an installation.
[01:22] <sarnold> you can of course create a swap partition if you'd rather for some reason -- multiple OSes that trust each other might be a pretty good reason for that, tbh
[01:22] <sarnold> but swap files are pretty easy
[01:22] <tripelb> I don't see how I have any preference except for reliability and ease.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> tripleb: sarnold But me thinks if a swap partition exists - the partition will be used.
[01:23] <oerheks> depends what grub says ..
[01:24] <sarnold> Bashing-om: you can configure them both :) just add the swap device and swap file to /etc/fstab
[01:24] <willhslade> hi. I have Ubuntu LTS 16.04 and I can't get Anki to work. I've installed it from both apt and source and both times it fails to connect to the internet. any ideas
[01:24] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Noted ^ :D
[01:25] <sarnold> willhslade: what error does it give you?
[01:25] <willhslade> Syncing failed:Error establishing a secure connection. This is usually caused by antivirus, firewall or VPN software, or problems with your ISP.
[01:27] <sarnold> wow that's vague :( I hate software that doesn't give you an actual error message
[01:27] <sarnold> are there better errors in a log file somewhere?
[01:27] <oerheks> seems a lot of isssues with anki, try the snap version ?https://snapcraft.io/install/anki-woodrow/ubuntu
[01:28] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1135747/anki-doesnt-start-in-ubuntu-19-04 and gets stuck with debian upstream
[01:34] <willhslade> argh. ok. so my ubuntu is 32 bit, and even if I install the latest 32 bit it still gives me an error
[01:35] <sarnold> bummer. my usual debugging route is (a) try to find a better error message in log files (b) run the thing through strace
[01:35] <sarnold> strace is painful
[01:35] <sarnold> but you can get an actual error message sometimes
[01:58] <pavlos> Bashing-om: fstab dictates which swap to use (partition/swapfile) as I remember.
[02:01] <Bashing-om> pavlos: Yup - fstab is the sensible thing.
[02:35] <faekjarz> Hi! Which tool do you use to schedule stand-by/sleep/power-saving mode, on 20.04 Gnome? I intend to set a 1 - 2h countdown, once completed executes a "put the box to sleep" routine. (I want to play soothing music while i enter Dreamland, but i don't want my box running for the rest of the night.)
[02:39] <grant_> where would I get local documentation for lxd?
[02:39] <grant_> no man pages in the snap
[03:10] <faekjarz> Are there ANY snaps to provide man pages? …i'm still not convinced snaps/flatpacks/appimages are a desirable idea …e.g. the Nextcloud snap; super easy and fun to install - unless you really need to tweak a few config files …I'd rather spin up a full-blown VM
[04:39] <circuitbone> faekjarz: `lynx http://man.he.net/`
[05:15] <faekjarz> btw, someone in #gnome-shell mentioned a keyword/search term, that led me to https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1152/shutdowntimer/ …that seems to be exactly what i want …we'll see, after my next sleep cycle
[06:16] <gebbione> anyone knows an ubuntu mp3 auto organiser app based on ID3 tgs?
[06:45] <Peppi> gry_, hey you online?
[06:45] <Peppi> I'm having an issue with my network card
[06:46] <Peppi> I'mu sing a HP Pavillion dv4-2154ca with Ubuntu 20. The wireless card looks to be working "ok" but the wired card doesn't connect past 100 Mb
[06:46] <Peppi> how would I go about debuging this?
[06:47] <Peppi> how do I find out what hardware this laptop has?
[06:48] <edgars> lspci
[06:51] <Peppi> edgars, ok so realtek RTL810xE
[06:52] <Peppi> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1195475/ethernet-controllers-not-working-realtek-rtl810xe-realtek-rtl8111
[06:53] <Peppi> think that should do it
[06:53] <Peppi> edgars, thanks
[06:54] <edgars> lsmod
[06:54] <edgars> look for driver
[06:54] <edgars> ahh, you already found something, ok, thats good
[06:55] <Peppi> ya looks like it
[06:55] <Peppi> can you take a look at the website, are the instructions doable you think?
[06:56] <Peppi> how can I tell what driver I'm using right now?
[06:57] <edgars> lsmod
[06:58] <Peppi> edgars, that list a bunch of things I'm not sure what I'm looking at
[06:59] <edgars> https://github.com/ghostrider-reborn/realtek-r8101-linux-driver
[06:59] <edgars> follow the instructions
[06:59] <Peppi> ya I found that
[07:00] <Peppi> ok I'll try
[07:13] <Peppi> think it worked
[07:14] <Peppi> thanks again edgars
[07:58] <alazy> I use apt-btrfs-snapshot. I just reverted to a snapshot, and apt no longer works because of an apt-btrfs-snapshot error. I get "ERROR: Could not statfs: No such file or directory". the --debug option gives no further information, so I don't even know what file is missing. I also can't reinstall apt-btrfs-snapshot because apt is dead. How can I tell apt to ignore apt-btrfs-snapshot so I can try
[07:58] <alazy> reinstalling it?
[08:17] <gillzone> is there any way to create a empty text file without open terminal in ubuntu 20.04?
[08:18] <gillzone> like in windows right click in folder and add empty text file
[08:19] <konrados> gillzone, depends, in dolphin you just do it like you described it
[08:20] <gillzone> alright but I think I'm using nautilus
[08:21] <konrados> and it doesn't have it? I really suggest dolphin, `sudo apt install dolphin` - it's much better imo :)
[08:26] <gillzone> alright I will give it a try, thx :)
[08:39] <k_sze> If I want to fix my laptop's inability to suspend, what steps should I take to debug? I remember there was a tool to test the power management subsystem or the firmware or something like that, but I can't remember its name.
[08:42] <akem> k_sze, Maybe your laptop is not supported. But in any case be sure to have at least as much swap as the total RAM in your machine.
[08:43] <alazy> Could anyone take a look at https://gugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-btrfs-snapshot/+bug/1870482 ?
[08:44] <k_sze> akem, my swap is tiny. And I'm not even talking about hibernation (hibernation kinda breaks WiFi anyway). I'm talking about suspend to RAM.
[08:44] <akem> k_sze, Nm, i thought about hibernation.
[08:51] <k_sze> Basically what happens is that, if i close the lid of my laptop, it *attempts* to suspend. The fans would go spin down, but then after a second they spin right back up and the laptop isn't actually suspended; it will still drain battery and remain warm to the touch after an hour.
[08:52] <k_sze> There was a utility that will automatically perform suspend-resume cycles of the computer and collect diagnostics info. I forget the name.
[09:09] <k_sze> So I have a USB DAC that supports up to 192kHz @ 24-bit per sample.
[09:10] <k_sze> When I connect it to my laptop (running Ubuntu 18.04), the USB DAC says it's doing 48 kHz @ 24-bit per sample.
[09:10] <k_sze> How do I control the sampling frequency the Ubuntu requests?
[09:29] <juanonymous> hi guys, i just wanted to ask on how can i restrict other users from accessing the \home dir
[09:29] <EriC^> juanonymous: your home dir or the /home dir?
[09:29] <juanonymous> let's say for example only users will be granted permission to access that dir.
[09:29] <juanonymous> yep the /home
[09:30] <juanonymous> i have two 3 users. so i want them to only access their own /home dir
[09:32] <DocMors> is there a some app on Ubuntu that stitches photographs into 3d images like STLs
[09:32] <juanonymous> chmod -R username:username 0700 /home
[09:32] <juanonymous> is that correct?
[09:34] <DocMors> I had a look not all apps set only owner persmissions so not sure it will be fully sufficient
[09:35] <DocMors> but if you are asking wether this will give read, write and execute to the owner then yes it will
[09:50] <edgars> so can anyone  help with openssh-server install on ubuntu with preseed?
[10:27] <DocMors> edgars, probably but it requires you to tell us what ails you
[10:40] <Dunams> I've switched from xfce4 to kde and can't see snap or any of the snap installed software in the kde launcher
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: is snapd installed?
[10:41] <Dunams> even opening a .deb file is opening it as an archive instead of the software installer
[10:42] <Dunams> lotuspsychje, yes
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: opening deb files, that could be a known bug already on 20.04
[10:42] <Dunams> "snapd is already the newest version (2.45.1+20.04)."
[10:44] <Dunams> for example, from the start menu when I search for Slack, it shows me folders of it under ~/snap/slack
[10:44] <Dunams> but they're all empty
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: on gnome its the snap-store now handling both apt & snap packages, not sure wich kde uses now
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: you still got the /dev/loop dirs on df -h ?
[10:47] <Dunams> yes
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: snap-store among those dirs?
[10:48] <Dunams> pm'ed you
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: so snap-store is installed, what happens when you launch it?
[10:49] <Dunams> what's the binary name? i'll try running it from terminal
[10:49] <Dunams> don't see it from the menu either
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> snap-store should launch it
[10:49] <Dunams> zsh: command not found: snap-store
[10:50] <Dunams> perhaps something with the path is messed up?
[10:51] <Dunams> maybe while changing from xfce4 to kde desktop something was broken
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: that could be yeah, i also see gnome 3.34 in your snap list did you install gnome too?
[10:52] <Dunams> snap command does work though, just not snap-store
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: try to sudo snap remove snap-store perhaps then reinstall?
[10:52] <Dunams> I believe I initially installed ubuntu, then xfce desktop and then kde
[10:53] <Dunams> It was a few weeks ago so I'm not fresh on that
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: ok, well we mostly reccomend, if you like a !flavour of ubuntu to clean install it, to avoid frankenbuntu mixes like this afterwards
[10:54] <Dunams> yeah, that makes sense, it was some time since I used linux (currently on osx), so I was trying to see what works for me
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> its good for testing purposes to check several DE's
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> but if you start purging things, you keep behind with a mixed system
[10:55] <freebds> why can't i play live youtube streams on firefox 78 on ubuntu
[10:57] <Dunams> lotuspsychje: is it possible to purge all DEs (have a pure CLI) and only install kde?
[10:57] <Dunams> or would I have to do a clean install?
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: its posible to purge the de's sure, but as i said mixing too many things will always leave you a messed system, i would go for a clean install kde, if thats what you really like
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: but if you have backups, you can try purge gnome & xfce
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> maybe kde will still dominate your system
[10:59] <coconut> freebds, weird, i can play live streams just fine on firefox 78
[10:59] <Dunams> I like the old gnome (2 was it?), but kde is nice, I believe i'll stick with it
[10:59] <dust> CRITICAL: zsys: installed zsys package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[10:59] <freebds> coconut i just installed ubuntu
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: gnome2 can still be installed from the repos
[11:00] <freebds> i didnot install 3rd party drivers
[11:00] <coconut> freebds, ubuntu mate here... should be the same
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> Dunams: aka gnome-flashback
[11:04] <freebds> Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available.Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video.
[11:05] <Dunams> lotuspsychje: yeah I saw, nice
[11:07] <coconut> freebds, did that error message tell you anything?
[11:07] <coconut> url i mean?
[11:07] <Dunams> I'm trying to purge all the gnome tools and snapd and reinstall snapd again
[11:07] <Dunams> perhaps it'll work
[11:17] <quadrathoch2> freebds you would need the specific codec for that (idk which yt live uses)
[11:19] <freebds> installing ffmpeg
[11:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:33] <mindbyte> Hello, World.
[11:36] <Dunams> lotuspsychje: looks like it was a path issue because I'm using zsh
[12:04] <hashworks> Hi! Is there an API for https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ ? Or a way to regularily download the database behind it?
[12:04] <hashworks> Something like https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/data/json would be enough
[12:06] <mindbyte> hashworks: Alternatively Ubuntu's USN has RSS: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/rss.xml
[12:07] <hashworks> Hm, that would only handle new vulnerabilities. My situation is that I have a list of installed packages and their versions and would like to check if there are existing vulnerabilities for them
[12:08] <KOLANICH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cryptography/+bug/1886952
[12:08] <KOLANICH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-nacl/+bug/1886950
[12:09] <mindbyte> hashworks: My last idea would be mitre directly, but they won't list ubuntu packages specifically: https://cve.mitre.org/data/downloads/index.html
[12:26] <coconut> Is SFTP seen as safe when used from a public wifi spot(shared password)?
[12:32] <amuro> coconut: whats the odd of having a hacker sitting at the coffee shop? highly unlikely
[12:35] <coconut> amuro, i do want to assume that
[12:39] <tatertots> coconut: what's your alternative to SFTP?...if you don't have one..does it really matter
[12:44] <coconut> tatertots, just want to know about it, not actually using it
[13:20] <ajnr> Hi I have tried to upgrade my ubuntu system from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS through command prompt but after giving the command do-release-upgrade it shows Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading. Eventhough I have updated my system through sudo apt-get update. So how to solve the issue.https://pastebin.com/gksyMkYL
[13:23] <quadrathoch2> ajnr upgrading your system is apt upgrade, update only updates the repositories
[13:23] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, yes I did, but it's not showing any effect
[13:24] <quadrathoch2> ajnr, hm, I did the upgrade just 1-2 weeks ago.
[13:24] <quadrathoch2> ajnr can you make sure if your sources.list is up to date?
[13:24] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, https://pastebin.com/dCpY1jrv
[13:25] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, what to do to make sure  sources.list is uptodate or not
[13:26] <quadrathoch2> as in, if the repositories are correct. sorry uptodate was probably the wrong word.
[13:27] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, any command to check?
[13:28] <quadrathoch2> not really, but you could paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:28] <quadrathoch2> (pastebin)
[13:29] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, please have a look https://pastebin.com/ZwmeKM4e
[13:32] <quadrathoch2> ajnr hm, I guess he was complaining about your third party repos, but not sure.
[13:32] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, but i dont think it will be a problem to upgrade distro
[13:33] <quadrathoch2> what happens if you do 'sudo apt full-upgrade'?
[13:35] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, it is showing https://pastebin.com/9EBUqgLT
[13:36] <quadrathoch2> ajnr that's probably your issue, so I would first fix that. what happens if you 'sudo apt -f install'
[13:36] <quadrathoch2> ajnr I guess you installed cuda through the repositories?
[13:37] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, what is the issue actually? https://pastebin.com/rsy4Ea8v
[13:37] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, yes
[13:37] <leftyfb> ajnr: remove "cuda-drivers". Preferably use ppa-purge to purge the ppa you installed it from
[13:38] <ajnr> leftyfb, are you sure ?
[13:38] <leftyfb> ajnr: packages installed from external repo's is not supported during the upgrade process
[13:39] <ajnr> leftyfb, ok
[13:39] <quadrathoch2> so there would also be wine ajnr
[13:39] <quadrathoch2> and maybe docker? as it is commented
[13:39] <ajnr> leftyfb, so should i give sudo apt-get remove nvidia-cuda-toolkit command ?
[13:39] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, yes
[13:41] <leftyfb> ajnr: it's complaining about cuda-drivers, not nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[13:41] <ajnr> leftyfb, ok, what command should i give
[13:42] <leftyfb> ajnr: personally, I use ppa-purge to purge all ppa's and the packaged installed from them. Of course I keep a list of these ppa's and the packages to be installed later if still needed
[13:44] <ajnr> leftyfb, so you mean i should keep backup of sources.list content
[13:48] <quadrathoch2> ppas, are normally in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. I would just remove those (plus packages you installed) (and probably write it down somewhere so you remember) and then after upgrade reinstall those
[13:48] <quadrathoch2> ajnr ^
[13:49] <ajnr> quadrathoch2,
[13:49] <ajnr> ok
[13:49] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, ok
[13:50] <leftyfb> the proper method is to use ppa-purge
[13:50] <leftyfb> just removing the repo's does nothing
[13:50] <quadrathoch2> that's why I said removing also the packages
[13:50] <leftyfb> ppa-purge will remove the repo and all the packages installed from it and potentially roll back packages that were upgraded from it
[13:51] <ajnr> leftyfb, so which commands whould i run now?
[13:51] <AlexMax> I'm running into some hard freezes that I think are because of my graphics card.  Apparently, my card is kind of notorious for having unstable drivers.  Would you folks recommend I try a newer kernel, like a 5.7, something like https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.7.8/ ?
[13:52] <AlexMax> If newer drivers are back-ported into LTS kernels maybe that's not a great idea.
[13:52] <leftyfb> ajnr: https://www.tecmint.com/add-remove-purge-ppa-in-ubuntu/ scroll down to "Purge PPA from Terminal"
[13:52] <AlexMax> But that's why I'm asking
[13:53] <quadrathoch2> AlexMax gpu?
[13:53] <AlexMax> Radeon 5700XT
[13:53] <quadrathoch2> oof, yeah you would need kernel+mesa
[13:55] <AlexMax> Where's a good PPA to get mesa from?
[13:56] <quadrathoch2> AlexMax updated daily, so it could mess up stuff https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[13:56] <AlexMax> Thanks
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> AlexMax: before trying graphics ppa's it might be interesting to investigate why you having these freezes first
[14:05] <AlexMax> I can replicate the freezes pretty consistently
[14:05] <AlexMax> By loading up firefox, visiting google maps, and just clicking around
[14:05] <AlexMax> Sooner or later, I'll always freeze.
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> AlexMax: how do you notice they are caused from your radeon card?
[14:05] <AlexMax> I presume it's because firefox draws the vectors that google maps passes it in hardware.
[14:06] <AlexMax> If it was something else the freezes would be random and have no obvious link.
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> AlexMax: could you share your dmesg please so volunteers can see whats going on?
[14:06] <AlexMax> If it was my graphics card being broken it would be worse when I would be playing games.
[14:08] <AlexMax> the fact that it happens consistently on something innocuous signal to me that google maps is doing some series of operations that the driver chokes on, and because the driver is in kernel space it freezes instead of merely crashing the browser.
[14:08] <ajnr> quadrathoch2, leftyfb -yes its working now. Thanks a lot
[14:15] <martin__> I have  unattended-upgrades to install security updates automatically, when I got to work this morning one of our servers were shutdown. It was terminated at 04 which is the same time I run my automatic updates on... can anyone explain what the heck happened?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> martin__: are you on ubuntu-server?
[14:16] <martin__> lotuspsychje: yes... I looked in the logs and I did not see it actually installed anything at 04 so am wondering if someone was pending from aa previous upgrade.
[14:16] <ajnr> quasineutral, leftyfb while upgrading one distro to another distro through terminal, if there is a internet issue will there be a problem to resume?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> martin__: try asking in #ubuntu-server if you like, for likeminded volunteers
[14:32] <tuxmania> Hi all. I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu 20.04 and since then I experience some issues with openvpn. I can connect with openvpn through Network-Manager but all my internet traffic goes through the VPN, even if I check the box "Use this connection only for resources on its network" in routes VPN config.
[14:33] <tuxmania> How can I force the use of VPN only for specific addresses related to this connection?
[14:36] <ajnr> my ubuntu system 16.04 freezes randomly. any solution please
[14:41] <oerheks> tuxmania, not easy to do, that is why openvpn is so good..
[14:41] <oerheks> old post https://secure1hosting.com/configure-openvpn-to-restrict-access-to-users-servers-and-services/
[14:42] <oerheks> ajnr, do a memtest86 run?
[14:43] <tuxmania> oerheks, thank you for the link. Actually, the openvpn server I connect to already does that. Sorry if I did not explain well.
[14:44] <ace_me> Hi all. I am wondering why is so strange implemented: Press Alt+~ in a dual monitor is displaying tab thumbnails in the main monitor and not in the monitor where the "APP instances switch" is called
[14:44] <oerheks> Configuring OpenVPN to route only selected traffic. https://forums.openvpn.net/viewtopic.php?t=26889
[14:44] <tuxmania> oerheks, When I connect to the openvpn server, as it authorizes only access to certain websites, I cannot access to the "rest" of internet, as all my internet traffic is redirected to the VPN connection.
[14:46] <oerheks> 'only access to certain websites' sounds like an vpn settingtoo?
[14:46] <tuxmania> oerheks, yes, on the server side
[14:47] <tuxmania> oerheks, I am not able to split my internet traffic: 10.X.X.X to the openvpn connection, and the rest to the global connection
[14:52] <tuxmania> oerheks, btw thank you for the links. I just don't understand why checking the box "Use this connection only for resources on its network" did split my network traffic as expected on Fedora, and does not do it anymore on Ubuntu
[14:57] <Jackneill> hey
[14:57] <Jackneill> anyone using zram?
[14:57] <Jackneill> does it noticably slow the system?
[15:12] <tuxmania> oerheks, sorry. After investigating a little bit more, it appears the problem is not related to the routes, but to the DNS
[15:12] <oerheks> oh, good spot
[15:13] <tuxmania> oerheks, apparently, network-manager does not manage to add the DNS servers related to the VPN connection on my system. And as I'm lost with systemd-resolved... it's gonna be fun...
[15:19] <Ratel> tuxmania: what about setting the vpn dns into the router?
[15:25] <tuxmania> Ratel, indeed, I can also do that. Editing manually (not a good idea, just for test purpose) "/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf" allows the DNS resolution
[15:26] <tuxmania> Ratel, the downside with the router approach is that I will be stuck again next time I will connect outside from home.
[15:27] <tuxmania> Ratel, but for now, it can be a good work around until I find a final solution. Thank you for the suggestion.
[15:44] <Ratel> tuxmania: good luck. I had the same issues with the network manager
[15:45] <dodocrypto_> hey guys
[15:45] <dodocrypto_> how to trouble shoot wifi ?
[15:45] <matsaman> dodocrypto_: what about it
[15:45] <dodocrypto_> my wifi sometime is not working but connected
[15:45] <dodocrypto_> just like no packet in and out
[15:45] <dodocrypto_> dmesg won't help
[15:46] <Ratel> probably dns settings
[15:46] <matsaman> if you log in to your router, does it say your connection is working?
[15:46] <dodocrypto_> i try too
[15:46] <dodocrypto_> ping <IP_ADDRESS> sometime not working
[15:46] <matsaman> wifi on your computer, that really only means it can find your wireless router, it doesn't mean the router is connected to the internet
[15:46] <dodocrypto_> i know
[15:46] <matsaman> ok
[15:47] <dodocrypto_> aww i don't know what happen to this eee pc
[15:47] <dodocrypto_> is an old one
[15:47] <matsaman> so sometimes you can't ping your router?
[15:47] <dodocrypto_> yeah
[15:47] <matsaman> how long does that last?
[15:47] <dodocrypto_> but even reconnecting too
[15:47] <dodocrypto_> it won't stop until you reconnect
[15:47] <dodocrypto_> and reconnect again
[15:48] <dodocrypto_> until the ping is working
[15:48] <matsaman> and did it used to work better with some older system/configuration/OS?
[15:48] <br3ad> Hey! I'm fairly new to ubuntu, and I can't get my internal hard drive to work. I mounted it as read-write, and in properties it shows that. Also, i ran chmod 777 on the entire drive, and it seems that I have read-write except whenever I try to make a file either using mkdir or through the gui, it gives me an error: "no such file or directory".
[15:49] <dodocrypto_> i don't have problem with other pc though
[15:49] <dodocrypto_> only this eee pc
[15:49] <dodocrypto_> running lubuntu
[15:49] <matsaman> dodocrypto_: both laptops?
[15:49] <dodocrypto_> nope only this one
[15:49] <matsaman> dodocrypto_: the other is a desktop?
[15:50] <dodocrypto_> laptop
[15:50] <matsaman> okay so both computers are laptops
[15:50] <dodocrypto_> yeah
[15:50] <matsaman> dodocrypto_: you use them wirelessly from the same place in the building?
[15:50] <dodocrypto_> yeah almost
[15:51] <matsaman> you might try using the Eee much closer to the router for a little while and see if it improves
[15:51] <dodocrypto_> how do you know which wireless card do you have
[15:51] <dodocrypto_> lspci -v ?
[15:51] <matsaman> that could just indicate a difference in signal reception between the two
[15:51] <matsaman> lspci | grep -i net might say, yes
[15:52] <dodocrypto_> BCM4313 802.11bgn
[15:52] <dodocrypto_> is this broadcom
[15:52] <matsaman> mmm, broadcom
[15:52] <matsaman> yup
[15:52] <dodocrypto_> let me try to fine may be driver problem
[15:53] <dodocrypto_> i heard some exploit
[15:53] <matsaman> always a possibility, especially with broadcom
[15:53] <matsaman> driver problems, that is
[15:56] <br3ad> yo
[15:56] <matsaman> yoyo
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> welcome br3ad
[15:57] <br3ad> are you good with linux filesystems by any chance?
[15:57] <matsaman> we're pretty decent with them
[15:58] <br3ad> ok so I can't figure out how to get read-write on my internal hdd. Like I've remounted it as rw, the properties shows I have permissions, I've run chmod 777, yet whenever I try to make a folder using the gui or mkdir, it just saying error: no such file or directory
[15:58] <br3ad> also I can't unmount the drive its like stuck
[15:58] <quadrathoch2> br3ad you would need to give us more info. as in which fs, how did you mount
[15:58] <br3ad> through the gui originally
[15:59] <br3ad> then sudo mount -o remount,rw
[15:59] <matsaman> seems like I just saw this msg in some channel...
[15:59] <br3ad> i sent it earlier lol
[15:59] <matsaman> here?
[15:59] <quadrathoch2> gui as in file manager, or gnome disk utility? br3ad there are many options
[15:59] <matsaman> man it's early
[15:59] <br3ad> yeah. file manager
[15:59] <br3ad> like default
[16:00] <matsaman> br3ad: what if you open a terminal, cd to the path, and run 'mkdir test'
[16:00] <quadrathoch2> br3ad filesystem?
[16:00] <br3ad> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘test’: No such file or directory
[16:01] <matsaman> br3ad: what does 'pwd' say?
[16:01] <br3ad> media/username/Data
[16:01] <matsaman> br3ad: what does 'file ../Data' say?
[16:02] <br3ad> directory
[16:02] <matsaman> mount | grep Data
[16:02] <Amaranth> Is this an ntfs filesystem?
[16:02] <br3ad> i believe so i formatted it in windows previously
[16:02] <br3ad> before the linux install
[16:02] <oerheks> crucial info.. and what ubuntu version?
[16:03] <br3ad> oh wait nvm
[16:03] <br3ad> its fuse
[16:03] <br3ad> also latest ubuntu
[16:03] <matsaman> br3ad: what does mount | grep Data say?
[16:04] <br3ad> Data type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[16:04] <matsaman> br3ad: are you a regular user or root?
[16:05] <br3ad> regular
[16:05] <matsaman> br3ad: try unmounting it, and as root mounting it with 'ntfs-3g /dev/whatever# path/to/an/empty/mount/point'
[16:07] <br3ad> like for the empty mount point just put like dev/non existing mount?
[16:08] <br3ad> sorry im like brand new to linux
[16:08] <pymagic> I have two cloud machines with hard drives on both. What is a good and reliable way to mount one hard drive into another ? Preferably encrypted.
[16:11] <matsaman> br3ad: just any empty directory
[16:11] <oerheks> pymagic, perhaps sshfs ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[16:11] <matsaman> br3ad: sudo mkdir -p /mnt/testmount; sudo ntfs-3g /dev/whatever# /mnt/testmount
[16:12] <matsaman> br3ad: you can get the /dev/whatever# from 'lsblk -f'
[16:12] <pymagic> oerheks, is sshfs reliable enough?
[16:12] <karstenk> I currently registered that my peek is not working anymore. kernel 5.4.0-40-generic      the peek window is starting and the service running fine, but I cannot click the recording button cause its greyed out. Any idea what could happen? ffmpeg codec missing or something like that?
[16:12] <br3ad> The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.Falling back to read-only mount because the NTFS partition is in anunsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernationor fast restarting.)Could not mount read-write, trying read-only
[16:13] <br3ad> The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.Falling back to read-only mount because the NTFS partition is in anunsafe state.  Ubuntu 18.04, wasn't responding to ssh, but ping was working. Looked at desktop, hard frozen and would not respond. Rebooted, and post-Grub would only display a purpleish screen. This is with "quiet splash" removed from boot option. Any suggestions?
[16:23] <inthane> (I've been able to boot to the live USB image of Ubuntu 18.04, and have recovered all relevant files - just want to avoid having to reinstall from scratch.)
[16:26] <pavlos> inthane: can you add "nomodeset" where "quiet splash" was, and reboot?
[16:28] <inthane> @pavlos - I'll try that, give me five.
[16:36] <karstenk> when running peek with sudo, it works but not as expected with my normal user
[16:37] <oerheks> why run peek as root?
[16:37] <matsaman> how's it not run as expected as your normal user?
[16:38] <karstenk> the debug output is completly same, but I cannot push the button to record or the x to close the window
[16:39] <karstenk> no command is working, when not using sudo
[16:39] <karstenk> strange, cause iam using peek for more then 10 years and never needed sudo.  I also checked that my homedirectory is completly owned by myself
[16:39] <inthane> @pavlos - Booted to grub, hit e with the default boot option selected, replaced "quiet splash" with "nomodeset" and still got the blank screen.
[16:40] <oerheks> karstenk, how did you install peek? stable ppa?
[16:40] <Munsko> Hello, im having problems with my touchpad(it doesnt move the mouse cursor, but i can scroll and click with both buttons)
[16:41] <pavlos> inthane: last time you got purple screen, now you got blank screen?
[16:41] <karstenk> I tryed from source and compiled with ninja, I installed from ppa and I also installed a old 1.3 version from deb package, that seems more depending by last kernel updates
[16:41] <Munsko> I was looking for some hint of a driver problem or an option to lock/unlock the mouse scroll
[16:41] <oerheks> https://code.launchpad.net/~peek-developers/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[16:41] <Munsko> My mouse works well, and my pc detects the touchpad
[16:41] <inthane> pavlos: Both times I got a blank purple screen. Hitting the esc key doesn't toggle it either.
[16:42] <pavlos> inthane: I think there is a issue with the video driver
[16:43] <inthane> pavlos: This is integrated video, no NVidia/AMD special driver installed, just the default of whatever ubuntu stuck in there in the first place.
[16:43] <karstenk> oerheks  its the same, it doesnt matter which version I install, every starts and the service is up and fine, but I cannot use any control at window.  no record button, no dropdown and no closing. But all works when using sudo
[16:43] <inthane> pavlos: Not disagreeing with you, mind you, but there's nothing fancy.
[16:44] <karstenk> recording is also working when sudo peek
[16:44] <karstenk> but I not want to use a simple gif recorder with root permissions :-)
[16:44] <matsaman> karstenk: try running it from a terminal and looking for error output
[16:45] <karstenk> have done that, mom I posed the output to pastbin
[16:47] <NetTerminalGene> debian got ffmpeg update after a vulnerability. did ubuntu get it too?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !info ffmpeg
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> compare versions NetTerminalGene ^
[16:48] <karstenk> matsaman https://pastebin.com/BZxfgz8H
[16:48] <karstenk> that are both outputs
[16:49] <pavlos> inthane: can you try boot-repair from a live usb? ... https://linuxhint.com/ubuntu_boot_repair_tutorial/
[16:50] <inthane> pavlos: I'll give that a shot.
[17:02] <inthane> pavlos: Tried the boot repair, no dice. It made a pastebin @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hMK4cYfsKK
[17:04] <Munsko> i need the toggle command for the touchpad
[17:04] <EriC^> inthane: reading..
[17:04] <Munsko> someone knows it?
[17:07] <pavlos> inthane: I dont see any issue in the pastebin but EriC^ is checking ... that's good.
[17:08] <EriC^> yeah
[17:08] <EriC^> inthane: i think you need to install the right graphics driver
[17:08] <EriC^> inthane: maybe 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' will list the recommended one
[17:09] <inthane> EriC: Not sure how to do that when the system isn't currently bootable. :P
[17:10] <inthane> (Also not sure how it would have gotten changed in the first place)
[17:11] <EriC^> inthane: you could try booting using nomodeset, or using a live usb + chrooting into the install
[17:11] <EriC^> !nomodeset | inthane
[17:11] <inthane> Already tried nomodeset and it made no difference. This was a system that was working properly for a couple years up until today.
[17:12] <EriC^> inthane: try an older kernel from the grub menu
[17:12] <EriC^> advanced > then choose an older kernel
[17:12] <inthane> I'll look at that.
[17:12] <EriC^> have you rebooted it in a while or ages?
[17:14] <EriC^> cause if it's been just running + updating, it would have racked up many kernels that potentially wont work, so you maybe want to try an older known-working one in the list
[17:15] <inthane> System has been rebooted a few times recently; up until the last week I'd been having it automatically update everything regularly and reboot as needed using unattended-upgrades.
[17:16] <inthane> This last week I was doing a major restore so I temporarily turned off updates.
[17:17] <inthane> I just tried advanced boot into 5.3.0-62, 5.3.0-61, and 4.15.0-109, all of which failed with the text "Loading Linux $KERNELVER ... Loading initial ramdisk ..."
[17:17] <inthane> Then just sat there.
[17:17] <karstenk> ffmpeg version 4.2.2-1ubuntu1 Copyright (c) 2000-2019 the FFmpeg developers
[17:17] <karstenk>   built with gcc 9 (Ubuntu 9.3.0-3ubuntu1)
[17:19] <EriC^> inthane: try removing quiet splash and put instead "debug ignore_loglevel" and also make sure you're booting the correct kernel, not a upstart one etc
[17:20] <inthane> Will try. By the way, thanks EriC & pavlos for your help - appreciated even if it doesn't fix the system.
[17:20] <speeder39_> Hi
[17:20] <EriC^> inthane: np
[17:20] <EriC^> hello speeder39_
[17:21] <speeder39_> Hi EriC^ are you in the USA
[17:21] <EriC^> speeder39_: no, why?
[17:23] <g3poandlsl> How do I go about removing a package without removing the parent meta package?
[17:23] <g3poandlsl> For example, if I want to remove update-notifier, the meta package ubuntu-desktop will also be removed.
[17:24] <karstenk> matsaman ok I need a static version of ffmpeg, the sudo problem relies to
[17:25] <inthane> Eric: No dice, same blank purple screen with debug ignore_loglevel. As far as I know, I've never loaded an upstart kernel on the system.
[17:25] <oerheks> g3poandlsl, updfate-notifier is an important package, so don't remove it, disable in update settings
[17:25] <EriC^> g3poandlsl: i dont think you can do that easily, and what oerheks said
[17:26] <inthane> Probably just going to pave it at this point, the reinstall procedure is documented and all data & configs are backed up.
[17:27] <pavlos> inthane: I think you may need to boot off the liveusb, mount sda and other things, chroot, and update the video driver ... just a thought
[17:27] <EriC^> g3poandlsl: if you absolutely must, you could modify the /var/lib/dpkg/status file and remove the "update-notifier" from ubuntu-desktop's depends list
[17:27] <g3poandlsl> oerheks, the goal is to permanently disable the update notification popups.  I have already disabled everything in update settings, yet everytime I run apt update, the popup appears
[17:27] <inthane> pavlos: I'll try that as a last ditch. Thanks again.
[17:28] <oerheks> best way to permanently do that; install thoise updates, and dont run updates ofcourse
[17:28] <g3poandlsl> to be fair, there may have been a setting that I missed.  I set everything to 0 in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades and 10periodic
[17:30] <EriC^> g3poandlsl: https://askubuntu.com/questions/218755/how-to-disable-the-update-manager-popup
[17:31] <EriC^> g3poandlsl: https://askubuntu.com/questions/218755/how-to-disable-the-update-manager-popup    2nd answer seems kind of nice
[17:34] <g3poandlsl> EriC^, thanks, that seems to do it
[17:34] <EriC^> g3poandlsl: great, no problem
[17:53] <dakksh> Wireless not working after waking from sleep (doesn't happen always). RTL8822BE card. at last online after rebooting thrice, tried a few things found online before rebooting. Could someone help me sort this so it doesn't happen next time onwards.
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: wich ubuntu version and kernel version are you on please?
[17:55] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: 20.04 and kernel is 5.4.0-40-generic
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: did you notice it on previous kernel versions too?
[17:56] <dakksh> yes
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: ok tnx, could you pastebin your dmesg please
[18:01] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: http://ix.io/2rhV
[18:01] <br3ad> whats the best filesystem for linux? my crap nfts drive is just being annoying, so imma just format it. Is ext4 good?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: your secureboot is enabled, this 'could' influence your hardware, try to disable secureboot in bios, and compare please
[18:02] <dakksh> Will disable secure boot, it got re-enabled due to an update a few days back, otherwise I had it disabled since I wasn't able to install Ubuntu without it
[18:03] <matsaman> br3ad: yes
[18:03] <br3ad> ok cool
[18:04] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: One error that I had constantly, since ip a was showing state down, I kept trying to put my interface up, but o/p was "RTNETLINK answers: Operation in progress", and networkmanager and wpa_supplicant gave an error of not being able to get the interface or something, don't remember exactly
[18:05] <jeremy31> dakksh: have you disabled wifi power management?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: you also have a lot of amdgpu issues in your dmesg
[18:06] <dust> E: zsys: installed zsys package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[18:07] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: I don't know what wifi power management is. Haven't done much, but today this got to me, so at last tried doing something, and about the amdgpu, I wouldn't know. sorry, still relatively new
[18:07] <nbusrone> hi , why does nautilus list view doesn't show .png icon ?
[18:08] <matsaman> nbusrone: what does it show?
[18:09] <nbusrone> matsaman : on ubuntu 18.04 .Just black imge with png and jpeg
[18:09] <nbusrone> *image
[18:10] <oerheks> maybe missing libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1118166/nautilus-not-showing-thumbnails-for-png-files
[18:11] <oerheks> or when it exceeds 10MB https://jonathanmh.com/nautilus-nemo-missing-image-previews-linux-solved/
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: check systemsettings/energy to see the wifi power settings
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: and also try to boot with secureboot=OFF as a test
[18:13] <nbusrone> oerheks , it's install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QbFjb4b5gb/ something similar https://imgur.com/vxr5ule
[18:17] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: can you tell me how can I check systemsettings in i3?
[18:18] <dakksh> And will just reboot with secureboot off after this
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: oh, youre on i3 sorry not very familliar, perhaps ducasse ^
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: or #i3
[18:19] <dakksh> could you tell for gnome only then? Will logout and login to gnome
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: systemsettings/power
[18:19] <nbusrone> oerheks : i am using nautilus
[18:20] <dakksh> WiFi power settings are on
[18:20] <nbusrone> it's not working too with nemo
[18:22] <nbusrone> oerheks : thumb nail working while list view does not show preview.
[18:23] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: another thing I can say related to the wifi issue is that when I run `ip a`, the wifi interface (wlp4s0), does not contain inet values, only link/ether, and comes unavailable in nmcli d status, or I do not have wlp4s0, just lo, and enp2s0, no other interfaces
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: try secureboot first, we can check things after we have ruled out its related
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> or not
[18:24] <dakksh> ok
[18:28] <nbusrone> Having another problem , anyone running chromium-browser_83.0.4103.61 ? I am not able to load https://imgur.com , but it works on firefox
[18:28] <matsaman> nbusrone: what happens instead of loading?
[18:29] <nbusrone> matsaman : blank page
[18:30] <nbusrone> matsaman : I tried using incognito but still blank page
[18:30] <matsaman> nbusrone: what's view source say?
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: wb
[18:31] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: booted with secureboot off, I can not say anything about the wifi issue, since it happens only at times, after I wake from suspend
[18:32] <nbusrone> matsaman : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8xcYNxQrF4/
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: ok, can you share your new dmesg please, and open a journalctl -f in case you want to try a realtime suspend error logging
[18:32] <kk4ewt> dakksh;  so your card isnt waking up from suspend sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager work?
[18:33] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: http://ix.io/2ri3
[18:33] <dakksh> kk4ewt: the most recent time this happened, it didn't, it gave a wpa_supplicant error or something to me
[18:33] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: and started journalctl -f
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: well, your dmesg surely looks much calmer now :p
[18:34] <nbusrone> matsaman : the console https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wTyHHDqYkn/
[18:36] <dakksh> lotuspsychje: will ensure secureboot stays off now onwards
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> dakksh: im off for today, if you encounter still issues after suspend, ask here again with your new dmesg, good luck!
[18:37] <knstn> What the state of the art now days with 20.04 LTS? Wayland or X?
[18:37] <matsaman> nbusrone: yeah probably just a hinky version, try another
[18:37] <knstn> is*
[18:37] <coconut> bye lotuspsychje
[18:37] <dakksh> Ok, thank you lotuspsychje _/\_
[18:38] <matsaman> knstn: Wayland will completely replace X as a distro default at some point, but X won't be going anywhere for a long time
[18:38] <matsaman> knstn: try Wayland, don't try Wayland, it's your time
[18:38] <nbusrone> matsaman : is there another ?
[18:39] <knstn> I don't mind. I just wanted to know if Ubuntu "suggests" Wayland with 20.04, or it is still "experimental".
[18:42] <gurki> is there a reasonable way to do x forwarding with wayland in 2020?
[18:42] <gurki> (no. starting an xserver does not count as "reasonable")
[18:52] <matsaman> gurki: not last I heard
[19:03] <nbusrone> get disconnected , anyone using latest chromium able to load  https://imgur.com or reddit 'view entire discussion  drop down blue bar ?
[19:05] <matsaman> nbusrone: 'latest' is meaningless
[19:05] <amunra> hy how can i disable login keyring
[19:07] <matsaman> nbusrone: the actual latest for 20 is 83.0.4103.97, for example, not .61
[19:07] <matsaman> nbusrone: are you on Ubuntu 18?
[19:08] <nbusrone> matsaman : can you help me to test ? are you actually reading my reply ? i am using Version 84.0.4147.38 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 18.04 (64-bit)
[19:09] <leftyfb> nbusrone: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[19:10] <leftyfb> nbusrone: wait, "built on". You mean you built it? As in, it's not installed from the official Ubuntu repo's?
[19:10] <matsaman> nbusrone: sorry I can't just now, perhaps someone else
[19:11] <nbusrone> leftyfb : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HfBvGPswQD/
[19:12] <leftyfb> nbusrone: you instaled it from a PPA. I would recommend removing the package and the PPA and installing from the official Ubuntu repo and test
[19:13] <leftyfb> nbusrone: the PPA version you'll have to seek support from the PPA maintainers
[19:15] <nbusrone> leftyfb : before installing PPA , i install using officical repo sudo apt-get install chromium-browser but the version is still not working chromium-browser_83.0.4103.61.Then i try latest on ppa but still not working.
[19:16] <leftyfb> nbusrone: why not install chrome? That works fine for me
[19:19] <nbusrone> leftyfb : i install back chromium-browser_83.0.4103.61 , same issue , i will try chrome and report back
[19:43] <oerheks> chromium 84 is available as snap https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[19:50] <albech> am I missing something?? libnns-mysql-bg cannot be found in 20.04???
[19:51] <nbusrone> oerheks : sudo snap install chromium Version 83.0.4103.116 (Official Build) snap (64-bit) .Still the same , maybe chromium need restart pc ?
[19:51] <albech> libnss-mysql-bg obviously
[19:51] <amunra> hy how can i disable login keyring
[19:53] <oerheks> nbusrone, that page gives a menu, - beta
[19:59] <nbusrone> leftyfb : It looks like some setting I did on chromium happen to conflict with the web.I reset everything works fine.I will try and test which setting that disable viewing imgur
[20:00] <matsaman> nbusrone: most likely you could mv ~/.config/chromium and ~/.cache/chromium elsewhere and try again
[20:03] <nbusrone> matsaman : I works now after reset to default , i really don't know which setting mess up.
[20:04] <matsaman> nbusrone: something to do with plugins/js/security perhaps, not sure it matters if it's working now, though
[20:04] <sarnold> albech: you can find the reason why packages were deleted on their launchpad page, eg https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-mysql-bg/+publishinghistory
[20:05] <sarnold> albech: click the little triangle on the 'deleted' line to see the message -- note that's a debian bug number, but launchpad doesn't know that, here's the debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860760
[20:05] <nbusrone> matsaman : thanks will look at it when got time .
[20:06] <albech> sarnold: dang.. thats a deal breaker for me.. thanks for the info
[20:07] <nbusrone> matsaman : I still have issue with unable to view jpg images on list view nautilus.The image size is smaller than 1mb or screenshot png doesn't not show in list view
[20:08] <sarnold> albech: is that just for hosts? or users, groups, etc too?
[20:08] <sarnold> albech: if you're looking for data-base backed dns, https://doc.powerdns.com/authoritative/backends/generic-mysql.html may be able to help
[20:08] <albech> sarnold: for users, groups too
[20:08] <sarnold> albech: ah. dang.
[20:08] <matsaman> nbusrone: probably nautilus specific
[20:08] <nbusrone> matsaman :I found the reason , but can i fix it ? https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/e52wbr/nautilus_does_not_show_thumbnails_in_list_view/
[20:09] <albech> sarnold: just hate to have to compile or bring in 3rd party stuff on a production system
[20:09] <nbusrone> matsaman : yep , nautilus need to zoom to 150% but could it get fix by not zooming ?
[20:10] <sarnold> albech: yeah, makes sense; and switching to eg sssd or whatever isn't something you just do on a whim..
[20:10] <albech> sarnold: ohhh no.. wont be going down that route
[20:11] <albech> sarnold: thanks again.. will dig some more information on this
[20:11] <peter22222> hi folks... i have problems running firejail on ubuntu 20.04
[20:11] <peter22222> cant launch firefox, libreoffice and so on
[20:14] <sarnold> peter22222: I saw a bug report the other day that said the firejail rules needed updating for something new in firefox, I don't know if anyone ever fixed it though
[20:14] <peter22222> sarnold obviously not yet, thank you for your information... gonna wait for a while and try again
[20:16] <sarnold> peter22222: note that *you* might be the person that needs to update the rules..
[20:17] <peter22222> sarnold... hehe unfortunately i am too noob for that yet...
[20:25] <PudgyPoppins> Does anyone know how I can fix "dummy output" on my device?
[20:26] <PudgyPoppins> My computer's sound broke just out of nowhere, and I've already restarted alsa and pulseaudio
[20:27] <matsaman> PudgyPoppins: rebooted?
[20:27] <PudgyPoppins> Yes, I have
[20:28] <oerheks> terminal: alsamixer # f6 select sound device ..
[20:30] <PudgyPoppins> pacmd list-cards yields "0 card(s) available"
[20:30] <PudgyPoppins> and running aplay -l comes up with "no soundcards found"
[21:06] <guntbert> !nickspam > skookum
[21:10] <nbusrone> matsaman : how do I set permanent nvidia brightness ? it auto reset after logout and restart
[21:11] <matsaman> nbusrone: on a laptop?
[21:15] <nbusrone> matsaman : desktop on dedicated GPU pascal
[21:16] <nbusrone> matsaman : I had add     Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1" on 10-nvidia.conf still it reset back to 0.00
[21:20] <nbusrone> matsaman : This is a long fix and test , it may take time so , would ask again tomorrow , thanks for the help :)
[21:23] <Dunams> I'm trying i3, it's probably a stupid question but here goes. when I press mod+d and start typing it just closes on the first keypress
[21:23] <Dunams> what am i doing wrong?
[21:27] <sarnold> Dunams: do you have anything in ~/.xsession-errors or similar files that might record stdout, stderr of your environment?
[21:27] <sarnold> Dunams: oh, hmm, how about if you run dmenu_run directly from a terminal? that might be easier
[21:28] <sarnold> (it's not quite the same -- it might be more or less useful :)
[21:28] <Dunams> sarnold, warning: no locale support
[21:28] <Dunams> hm, but I don't need any locale support :(
[21:29] <sarnold> I'd hope 'warning' there was reliable enough, but it's kind of hard to know when different things interact... it's *probably* not related
[21:29] <alphactl> Hey all, first message on IRC. Also a beginner sysadmin so don't know much about the kernel yet. I'm getting a "general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP PTI" panic on 5.3.0-62-generic #56~18.04.1-Ubuntu - Crashed about 5 times over the past couple of days. [exception RIP: __cgroup_bpf_run_filter_skb+224] - Can anyone provide any help with this. I can paste the dmesg output if needed? Think it might be related to a
[21:29] <alphactl> recent kernel update but not 100% sure.
[21:30] <sarnold> alphactl: welcome :) hold on
[21:30] <sarnold> alphactl: my guess is you've hit this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1886668
[21:32] <sarnold> alphactl: you could try the test kernel given in one of the comments or reboot into -107
[21:33] <alphactl> Well that looks very similar to what I'm seeing but I'm running on kernel 5.3.0-62 - Is it straight forward for me to downgrade?
[21:33] <sarnold> alphactl: oh, bugger, sorry I missed that detail
[21:34] <Dunams> sarnold, looks like that warning is the issue behind it - https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=DMenu
[21:34] <sarnold> alphactl: same thing though, downgrading to the previous working kernel should do the trick; you'll probably need to hold down the left shift key when rebooting to get to the grub prompt, then select the thing that probably says something like "recovery", and select one of the older kernels
[21:35] <sarnold> Dunams: HEY! awesome. I mean, it's *stupid*, but nice find :)
[21:38] <alphactl> Thanks sarnold. I'll downgrade the kernel now and remove 5.3.0-62. Looks like I've got a couple to still installed play around with: 5.3.0-61 5.3.0-59 4.4.0-141 4.4.0-139
[21:39] <sarnold> alphactl: -61 is probably your best bet at the moment
[21:41] <alphactl> If I downgrade and the issue goes away, can I pin the kernel version? Should I leave it at -61 or will it be safe to upgrade again the future? Is it worth raising a bug report?
[21:43] <oerheks> one could also reinstall that kernel and parts
[21:44] <alphactl> Heres a copy of the dmesg so you guys can tell me if its the same issue as the bug above: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bx4k3sRg4x/
[21:46] <sarnold> alphactl: thanks, the rest of that dump really does look like the same bug
[21:46] <sarnold> alphactl: the kernel team appears to be working on fixes for all of 4.15/5.0/5.3/5.4 kernels, probably no need for a new bug
[21:46] <alphactl> No worries then, I'll drop the kernel version and wait a couple of months :D Thanks for the help!
[21:47] <sarnold> alphactl: hopefully it's just a day or two :)
[22:45] <jrgilman> hey guys, I'm having 2 audio related issues. I have a focusrite scarlett solo which I'm using for input and output on my computer. When my computer wakes up from sleep about 80% of the time I need to unplug and replug the usb cable on the interface to get sound working again. After that, I also have audio dropping issues where sound will for no apparent reason just completely cut out on my computer (which the
[22:45] <jrgilman> same replugging fixes). What's the best way to go about diagnosing these issues?
[22:45] <jrgilman> I should say, I'm on 20.04 which I've upgraded all the way from 16.04 over time.
[23:22] <slyjester> Has anyone here tried running wine using linux containers on ubuntu?
[23:31] <oerheks> no, next most interesting one was windows WSL in virtualbox
[23:41] <AppAraat[m]> hi, during Ubuntu Server installation I can put my Github SSH pubkey inside the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys by specifying my GH username and connect to that machine that way. I was wondering how the ubiquity installer retreives those keys, since I accidentally entered the wrong username.
[23:44] <sarnold> AppAraat[m]: it uses ssh-import-id
[23:46] <AppAraat[m]> that is a seriously cool command, thanks!
[23:47] <sarnold> AppAraat[m]: yeah :D


[07:54] <azend> BobJonkman1: Thanks for the reminders
[07:54] <azend> I keep trying to go to bed but every time I do somebody reminds me of something I need to do / check on
[07:54] <BobJonkman1> 3am, and spamming everybody three different ways
[07:55] <azend> BobJonkman1: coolio
[07:55] <BobJonkman1> You going to make it for the meeting?
[23:04] <BobJonkman1> Prep work for the meeting in less than an hour
[23:09] <BobJonkman1> #link Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2014/2014-02-27
[23:09] <BobJonkman1> #link Participate in the Video Chat: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cmj49r3pl7fn0sbce1i5bv8513s
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[23:45] <BobJonkman1> Hi Cranky, glad you could make it
[23:45] <BobJonkman1> Very glad.
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[23:48] <Cranky_> Back again..
[23:48] <Cranky_> good to see you too, Bob
[23:48] <Cranky_> and everyone else in here...
[23:51] <BobJonkman1> Cranky_: Can you have a quick look a the Agenda page to see if my instructions are correct? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2014/2014-02-27
[23:52] <Cranky_> looking...
[23:53] <Cranky_> the links look ok to me.  we'll know for sure in 6 minutes..
[23:58] <Cranky_> (I really have no idea how this is supposed to work....)


[02:55] <leonel> hello
[02:55] <leonel> any plans to include jdk6 in ubuntu ?
[02:55] <leonel> or update dapper's jdk to 6 ?


[00:28] <psusi> how does nautilus decide what to open a given file with and the other menu options?  I thought there was a gconf key that listed that sort of thing for each mime type, but I can't find it
[00:29] <psusi> I could have sworn that you used to be able to right click on a cd-rw and choose blank, but it looks like that doesn't work now because nautilus thinks it is a "folder" instead of a cd-rw...
[01:42] <c2tarun> An application epdview. Debian has its new version, I tried to build the native new Debian version for natty but it failed. So sync cannot be possible. I need to merge it. Can anyone please help.
[01:47] <persia> Why does it need to be merged?
[01:47] <persia> Does it include a cool new feature?  Does it fix a useful bug?
[01:49] <c2tarun> persia: well there should be something that made debian included the newer version.
[01:51] <persia> Sure, but after DebianImportFreeze, there needs to be a reason to do a merge or sync.
[01:52] <persia> Reasons vary: could be fixing a bug, could be a new cool feature, could be beause you really, really want to merge it.
[01:52] <persia> Doesn't matter what the reason is, but there needs to be *some* reason.
[01:52] <persia> So, either find a reason to do this merge, or find something else that needs doing.
[01:54] <c2tarun> persia: well I am new so I dont know much :( but they applied all the patches that somehow needed a change in the build-dependencies.
[01:54]  * c2tarun (But I was wondering patches are also there in previous version, they are just applied by upstream, why we didn't added the new build-dependency requirement in previous version?)
[01:55] <persia> Being new only means you have a greater opportunity to learn :)
[01:56] <persia> My recommendation would be to start by looking at the upstream changelog and the Debian changelog.  Then compare these to the diff in the code.
[01:56] <persia> See if any of that looks interesting to you, or like a good reason to merge it.
[01:56] <artfwo> c2tarun: I see there have been a number of "hardening" changes, debian version is more secure, and that's good for a PDF viewer
[01:57] <c2tarun> artfwo: this security reason is enough? and there was no change in the source code, can just by importing one library make the application more secure?
[01:59] <artfwo> building against hardening-includes is supposed to make things harder to break. is this reason enough for you? :)
[01:59] <micahg> yes, I'd say that's worth pulling in if the FTBFS can be fixed
[01:59] <micahg> c2tarun: it needs a merge anyways since there's an UBuntu change
[02:00] <c2tarun> micahg: cool :) so can you help me a bit please in merging?
[02:01] <micahg> c2tarun: would you like to fix blobwars for me :)
[02:01] <c2tarun> micahg: sure :)
[02:02] <micahg> c2tarun: I was half joking, but that one we can fix after feature freeze as well
[02:03] <c2tarun> micahg: feature freeze means? debian has a newer version and can you please tell me where to find the PTS page for blobwar?
[02:03] <micahg> c2tarun: just make sure there's a bug filed and I'll milestone it for 11.04 beta
[02:04] <micahg> c2tarun: I've already started working on blobwars, so don't worry about it, I was just saying, I have my own FTBFS to fix ATM :)
[02:04] <c2tarun> micahg: what kind of bug I should be? sync or merge?
[02:04] <micahg> c2tarun: merge since there's an Ubuntu change
[02:04] <c2tarun> micahg: oh.. :)
[02:05] <c2tarun> micahg: ok :) i'll file the bug? do I hv to subscribe any team to that bug?
[02:05] <persia> c2tarun, No, just assign yourself
[02:06] <c2tarun> persia: myself? but micahg already started working on blobwars.
[02:07] <persia> c2tarun, for epdview (unless you decided not to do it)
[02:07] <c2tarun> persia: i'll merge epdfview :)
[02:08] <micahg> c2tarun: I was suggesting filing a bug for epdfview
[02:08] <c2tarun> micahg: yeah :) sorry I got it wrong. I am doing that
[02:11] <c2tarun> micahg: bug 721054
[02:13] <micahg> c2tarun: milestoned, thanks
[02:22] <c2tarun> In uploading the package for a merge bug on LP what files should be attached one is the latest ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz, any other files that might help in reviewing?
[02:23] <micahg> c2tarun: debdiff from Debian version to Ubuntu version
[02:23] <persia> I usually request a debdiff between latest Debian revision and the candidate revision.
[02:24] <c2tarun> ok i'll get the debdiff from current debian version to ubuntu version, persia: what do you mean by candidate revision?
[02:25] <persia> The revision that you've prepared, which you are presenting as a candidate to be included in Ubuntu.
[02:27] <c2tarun> persia: ok, done :)
[02:29] <micahg> c2tarun: no, you're still removing all the patches and adding them back as one big one
[02:30] <c2tarun> micahg: ya those are already applied. did i miss something?
[02:31] <micahg> c2tarun: idk, seems something funny about merging with source format 3
[02:32] <c2tarun> micahg: so what can i do?
[02:32] <c2tarun> micahg: I mean to fix this?
[02:33] <persia> c2tarun, Do you understand the nature of the issue?
[02:33] <micahg> c2tarun: I don't know offhand, I'm having a weird issue myself trying to merge eclipse
[02:33] <c2tarun> micahg: ok, no prob :) I'll ask it on channel someone will reply thanks :)
[02:35] <c2tarun> I can fix the indentation problem of changelog + i'll add an entry of dropping all the patches. But I dont know how to remove that big patch, can anyone please help. bug 721054
[02:35] <micahg> c2tarun: no, the patches shouldn't be dropped
[02:36] <c2tarun> micahg: but they are already applied. I checked.
[02:37] <persia> c2tarun, You may want to read more about Format: 3.0 (quilt).
[02:37] <persia> In the dpkg documentation.
[02:37] <persia> The patches are not applied upstream: they're just applied in the unpacked Debian source.
[02:38] <c2tarun> persia: I also thought that may be one condition, but I tried to remove all of them first by quilt pop :(
[02:39] <c2tarun> persia: ping
[02:41] <persia> Why do you ping me?
[02:42] <c2tarun> persia: I am not getting, I checked by removing all the patches, and none of them were applied at the time I checked that are they applied or not. Then  why shouldn't I remove those patches?
[02:43] <persia> c2tarun, So, if you look at your debdiff, you may notice debian/patches/debian-changes-0.1.7-5ubuntu1
[02:44] <persia> That is produced because of differences between the unpacked source and the source in the original upstream artifact.
[02:44] <persia> Precisely how you reached that state is something I don't know, but I presume you can reproduce by experimentation.
[02:47] <c2tarun> persia: ya somehow it didn't makes sense. the patches are included in the new debian version. How can they be applied? If they are applied already than they should have been removed from the debian version as well. And since they are included it means that they are not applied. Can you please explain me one last thing please, how is the patch applied in the version I am working on?
[02:48] <persia> Which patch?
[02:48] <c2tarun> persia: all of them
[02:49] <persia> Are you asking why the patches in debian/patches are applied when you unpack the source?
[02:50] <c2tarun> persia: No I am asking how to remove the patches that get applied automatically when we unpack the source.
[02:50] <persia> assuming bash: `export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches; quilt pop -a`.  Why would you wish to do this?
[02:51] <persia> Note that the above line is specific to this type of package.  There are many other sorts of packages that require different treatment.
[02:51] <c2tarun> persia: quilt pop -a is not working, and unless I dont pop the applied patches how can i build the source package?
[02:53]  * c2tarun by not working I mean getting the message no patches applied
[02:53] <persia> That sort of package presumes the patches have been applied when you build the source package.  Unapplying them will result either in them being reapplied or unexpected behaviours, depending on other changes to the package at the same time.
[02:53] <persia> Did you export QUILT_PATCHES first?
[02:53] <c2tarun> persia: nope, let me do that
[02:54] <c2tarun> persia: can I include it in my .bashrc, I think I gonna need it very often
[02:54] <persia> No.
[02:54] <persia> If you want to include something to work by default, read the docs on the quilt package, which has some suggested ways to handle it.
[02:54] <c2tarun> persia: ok sure
[02:56] <c2tarun> persia: I just checked that export* line is already in my .bashrc. still I was not ablt to pop that patch.
[02:56] <c2tarun> *pop any patch
[02:57] <persia> That export line won't work unless used in the right context.
[03:04] <persia> I believe the correct solution is to modify .quiltrc in specified ways, not .bashrc
[03:10] <c2tarun> persia: I uploaded a new debdiff, can you please take a look.
[03:12] <persia> You don't need to upload the debian.tar.gz.  Only the debdiff.
[03:12] <c2tarun> persia: ok :) from next time i'll get the debdiff only
[03:13] <persia> That looks well-formed.  Do you see the difference between this and your other debdiff?  Do you understand how it got each way?
[03:13] <c2tarun> persia: yup :) finally ;)
[03:14] <persia> So, tell me :)
[03:15] <c2tarun> persia: can you please sponser it? :)
[03:16] <udienz> micahg, i try to merge conkeror in bug 720069. seems like its is mozilla seed
[03:16] <persia> c2tarun, If you tell me about the difference between this debdiff and the other one
[03:20] <c2tarun> persia: this is a clean diff containing only the info of one poppler patch. This is the actual differece because earlier patches are not applied, somehow I did something that applied them. Since those patches are also in the ubuntu version so they are not the difference ;) hence not in this debdiff :)
[03:21] <persia> Excellent, and do you know what you did before that applied them?
[03:21] <c2tarun> persia: all other things are legitimate, as changes for ubuntu releases in changelog.
[03:22] <c2tarun> persia: sorry not getting what you are asking ?
[03:22] <persia> Do you know what went wrong the first time?
[03:24] <c2tarun> persia: yup, everything started with the changes made by mom in series, while fixing that may be somehow I applied those patches, that quilt pop was exectued by me before fixing that series file. so I checked that they are applied and that was wrong.
[03:25] <c2tarun> *series=> debian/patches/series
[03:25] <persia> Cool.  Now you know.   But not getting the right way to start with. I checked the bug squad but it was confusing. i am confused.
[08:49] <novicedeveloper> please help
[08:51] <novicedeveloper>  hi. i want to start developing for ubuntu. But not getting the right way to start with. I checked the bug squad but it was confusing. i am confused. please suggest something.
[08:51] <artfwo> novicedeveloper, I'd suggest you start by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Maintaining Ubuntu
[08:52] <novicedeveloper> artfwo: thank you. but i hav queries also.
[08:52] <artfwo> if you have them, ask :)
[08:53] <novicedeveloper> artfwo:  cant i start wuth coding directly instead of entering into  correcting bugs and then strart coding?
[08:53] <novicedeveloper> :)
[08:53] <artfwo> of course
[08:53] <novicedeveloper> artfwo:  so how can i do that?..:P
[08:53] <artfwo> but I think, it's easier to start by fixing bugs
[08:54] <artfwo> that's described in the same page as above: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Writing%20Code
[08:55] <novicedeveloper> artfwo: ok.. :) .. now in bug fixing i would like to go with something related to kernel.
[08:55] <novicedeveloper> artfwo: so can u please suggest something related to this?.. :)
[08:56] <artfwo> I am not much into kernel development :)
[08:56] <mok0> Why would the buildd not be able to find gcc?? See this build: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/collectd/4.10.1-2.1/+buildjob/2101835
[08:57] <artfwo> novicedeveloper, but there's a dedicated wiki page as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev
[08:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <mok0> goodmorning dholbach
[08:57] <novicedeveloper> artfwo: ok. i may find something good there.. :).. thnakyou
[08:57] <novicedeveloper> dholbach: good morning
[08:57] <novicedeveloper> artfwo: *thank you
[08:58] <dholbach> hi mok0
[08:59] <novicedeveloper> artfwo: thankyou for help.. there is lot given in  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev.. i will read it.. :)
[09:01] <novicedeveloper> dholbach: hi. i have read your class of "Getting started with ubuntu development".. it was teally informative.. hope to look forward help from you... :)
[09:01] <dholbach> novicedeveloper, that's great
[09:01] <novicedeveloper> dholbach: *really
[09:01] <dholbach> if you have any questions, just ask in here - there's always somebody around who can try to help you
[09:02] <novicedeveloper> dholbach: ok. thanks.. :)
[09:02] <dholbach> ROCK ON! :)
[09:03] <novicedeveloper> dholbach: yooo.... \o/...
[09:03] <dholbach> :-D
[09:12] <mok0> dholbach: what was the idea re: the ubuntu-packaging guide? It still seems to be a stub
[09:13] <dholbach> mok0, did you check out lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide?
[09:13] <dholbach> that's where it happens :)
[09:14] <mok0> dholbach: I did, but I don't see any action
[09:14] <dholbach> mok0, I contributed 3 guides to it and barry is working on getting UDD docs merged in
[09:15] <dholbach> some other bugs are assigned and work is in progress
[09:15] <dholbach> it's not a fast moving target (yet), but there's actually people working on it
[09:15] <mok0> dholbach: Any coordination going on? I'd like to contribute, but not sure what is needed
[09:16] <dholbach> mok0, we filed bugs for articles that we'd like to see - we use merge proposals to peer-review stuff that goes in
[09:16] <mok0> dholbach: Is the idea that it should replace what's on the Wiki?
[09:16] <mok0> dholbach: I'll go check out the LP project I guess
[09:17] <dholbach> mok0, in the long run, yes probably - for now we want to create useful articles that are task-based (as opposed to one huge guide) and additional knowledge base articles that deal with more general topics
[09:17] <dholbach> there's also a spec that explains which old content we could merge in, but what might need updating
[09:17] <dholbach> let me get the link
[09:18] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ImprovePackagingGuide
[09:18] <mok0> dholbach: I'll grab bug #704845
[09:19] <mok0> dholbach: I drafted something on the wiki for that
[09:19] <dholbach> sweet
[09:19] <dholbach> thanks a bunch mok0
[09:19] <dholbach> Laney, ^
[09:19] <dholbach> yoohoo! :)
[09:19] <Laney> :-)
[09:20] <mok0> Laney, dholbach actually, come to think of it, what I drafted was the reverse: a guide for upstreams on how to work with Ubuntu
[09:21] <mok0> Laney: dholbach, but perhaps it makes sense to put in the same guide?
[09:21] <dholbach> that might be interesting as well
[09:21] <dholbach> yeah, if not in the "task-based" section, it would be an excellent "knowledge-base" article
[09:21] <dholbach> I'll work with barry to get his huge branch in, then I'll juggle pieces around a little bit
[09:21] <dholbach> but if you make it a separate article for now, we'll have no problems integrating it
[09:22] <mok0> dholbach: I might as well start there
[09:23] <dholbach> thanks a lot mok0
[09:23] <mok0> dholbach: I guess I should join the team
[09:23] <dholbach> you already are
[09:23] <dholbach> ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-doc are in there
[09:23] <mok0> dholbach: heh, indeed
[09:23] <dholbach> :-D
[09:24] <mok0> dholbach: so work-flow is to work in a branch ?
[09:24] <dholbach> yes, branch from lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide, commit, push to a separate branch, propose merge
[09:25] <dholbach> I'll do my best to review as quickly as possible and get more other folks involved in reviewing stuff as well
[09:25] <dholbach> Laney, ^ :)
[09:25] <mok0> dholbach: great
[09:29] <slomo> hi, is anybody updating gst-plugins-bad0.10, gst-plugins-ugly0.10 and their multiverse variants?
[09:37] <mok0> dholbach: I also wrote this draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GettingStartedDraft
[09:37] <mok0> dholbach: but I ran out of ideas and time
[09:38] <dholbach> mok0, I wrote three articles "Very general introduction to Ubuntu Development", "Getting set up" and "how to fix a bug" - I could imagine that some of the info in your article would be very helpful to get merged in there - what do you think?
[09:39] <mok0> dholbach: perhaps, but this is more like a self-paced course, with exercises etc
[09:40] <dholbach> I like the idea of exercises
[09:41] <mok0> dholbach: yes, it's a good way to get people started
[09:41] <dholbach> I'm not sure what's the best way of integrating them
[09:41] <dholbach> if you have a good suggestion, I'm all ears :)
[09:45] <mok0> dholbach: The three articles you mentioned ^ , where are they?
[09:45] <dholbach> in the root directory?
[09:45] <dholbach> err root of the source tree :)
[09:45] <dholbach> the .rst files
[09:45] <mok0> dholbach: ah, they are already in the branch, I see
[09:45] <dholbach> rock!
[09:46] <mok0> dholbach: I will reformat to rst and add my gettingstarteddraft, then we can work on it together
[09:46] <mok0> dholbach: perhaps merge etc
[09:47] <mok0> dholbach: I can't find my upstream guide on the wiki.
[09:47] <mok0> dholbach: It's lost in the jungle
[09:48] <mok0> dholbach: and I can't see that I have a link to it... :-/
[09:48] <mok0> The problem with wikis...
[09:48] <dholbach> ok, let's start with the gettingstarteddraft
[09:49] <dholbach> I hope that once we have a lot of content in the branch we can sit together and think of a good structure for it
[09:50] <dholbach> the way I see it right now, it'd be good to have some kind of simple landing page that links you to the knowledge base articles (common problems to avoid when packaging, DEP-3, how to triple-check your new package, etc.) and lists tasks that people who like to do (fix a simple bug, update a package to a new version, propose a change for sponsorship, etc.) - I realiase that this might not be the perfect recipe for everything, but I feel it's a
[09:50] <dholbach>  good start
[09:51] <mok0> dholbach: sounds good
[09:52] <mok0> dholbach: is there another way to search the wiki? The search field only searches titles.
[09:53] <dholbach> there should be a link to "full text search" no?
[09:54] <mok0> dholbach: ah. Google :-)
[09:54] <mok0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstreamGuide
[09:54] <dholbach> yeehaw
[09:57] <dholbach> so who apart from mok0 is interested in helping out with the packaging guide?
[09:57] <dholbach> it'd be really nice if you all signed up for the team mailing list
[09:57] <dholbach> and checked https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+activereviews every now and then
[10:03] <mok0> dholbach: on the mL now. Can you give me a hint how to render .rst text?
[10:03] <mok0> dholbach: format seems simple enough
[10:03] <dholbach> run "make html"
[10:04] <dholbach> and open the file in _build/html/ in a browser
[10:04] <mok0> dholbach: ah :-)
[10:04] <dholbach> there might be an immediate "rst viewer", but I don't know
[10:04] <dholbach> that's what I did :)
[10:04] <mok0> dholbach: didn't notice the Makefile in there...
[10:05] <dholbach> if you prefer pdf, you can run "make pdf" too (and lots of other things)
[10:05] <dholbach> for .pdf you might need all the build-deps of the package though
[10:41] <mok0> dholbach: is this packaging-guide meant to go online as HTML sometime?
[11:12] <dholbach> mok0, yes
[14:02] <hggdh> what replaces multilib in karmic? gcc-multilib and gcc-4.4-multilib are both phantom packages
[14:24] <hggdh> bah, just an amazingly restricted sources.list
[14:51] <Laney> debfx: cheers for the haskell help \o
[16:08] <c2tarun> what is revision control?
[16:09] <micahg> c2tarun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control
[17:22] <debfx> Laney: you're welcome :)
[17:40] <c2tarun> I was trying to grab a package for merging or sync ( as needed) I got this warning http://paste.ubuntu.com/568832/ What does it mean?
[17:41] <micahg> it means the Debian source is maintained in svn
[17:42] <c2tarun> micahg: so what is so special with it? I mean why a warning?
[17:43] <micahg> c2tarun: it points people to where the packaging code lives if they want to work on it,
[17:43] <c2tarun> micahg: ok.
[17:48] <c2tarun> micahg: whenever we grab a package using the grab script, it unpacks the tarball and applies all the patches. but when I try to remove those patches by quilt pop -a then I always get the message no patches removed. Why so?
[17:49] <c2tarun> ls
[17:49] <c2tarun> oops :(
[17:49] <micahg> c2tarun: no, it doesn't necessarily apply all the patches
[17:49] <micahg> c2tarun: you probably need to set up .quiltrc
[17:50] <c2tarun> micahg: do you mean export QUILT_PATCH=debian/patches line in .quiltrc?
[17:51] <micahg> QUILT_PATCHES
[17:51] <c2tarun> micahg: yup my bad sorry :( ok i'll do it.
[23:44] <grunthus> Hi, I have been working on a bugfix, need a little help with commit and push commands
[23:46] <grunthus> First, after bzr ci, in the text editor, should I describe changes in same fashion as with changelog files?
[23:50] <lifeless> install bzr builddeb
[23:50] <lifeless> then you can just use debcommit
[23:53] <grunthus> Hi lifeless, AFAIK, because its the trunk, there is no deb
[23:54] <grunthus> bug 715820


[05:08] <guiverc> My primary desktop has been ejecting the dvd tray on unlock the last few days; I just booted Lubuntu's daily (different box) and during boot the dvd tray gets ejected.... anyone else notice this?  (or no-one else still has cd/dvd's in their box)
[05:08] <guiverc> referring to impish for both ^


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