 @glpzzz [./pcmanfm-qt: symbol lookup error: ./pcmanfm-qt: undefined symbol: _ZN2Fm16Proxy …], which version 19.10? it doesn't work on my 19.10 but it work in my 20.04
 @HMollerCl [which version 19.10? it doesn't work on my 19.10 but it work in my 20.04], Yes, 19.10
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 @HMollerCl [Who was looking ci? @aptghetto @guiverc?], There is noone. … I didn't have time the last weeks and won't have time the next weeks or months.
 @HMollerCl [Who was looking ci? @aptghetto @guiverc?], Actually, @tsimonq2 asked me if I could look at CI and its working. I have been waiting for him to point me to the docs.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Actually, @tsimonq2 asked me if I could look at CI and its working. I have been …], If we look in our wiki (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/) we will see a page called "Continuous Integration" => https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/ … Thankfully, Jenkins does also have a user documentation => https://jenkins.io/do
 Noted.
 I will add them to read list.
 I had actually read a part of https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/ and visited ci.lubuntu.me but couldn't understand what's happening so thought I'd read it later nicely.
 @The_LoudSpeaker in case you haven't seen it https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/657
 We can use that xorg conf file and for enabling tap to click by default.
 It's that what you wanted me to notice?
[23:53] <wxl> go away no one needs that
[23:54] <wxl>  * if you expect tap to click and it's NOT enabled, nothing happens
 Are you sure wxl?
[23:54] <wxl>  * if you DO NOT expect tap to click and it's NOT enabled, happiness
 Well.. people asked for it.
[23:54] <wxl>  * if you DO NOT expect tap to click and it's enabled, something happens you DON'T want
 @wxl [<wxl> * if you DO NOT expect tap to click and it's enabled, something happens yo …], So you just disable it.
 You don't cry
[23:55] <wxl> same logic to disable it
 people will want to use the GUI interface to turn it on and off. they will be confused when it doesn't work.
[23:56] <wxl> i'm saying it's more confusing to people that don't want it when it's enabled by default
 @wxl [<wxl> i'm saying it's more confusing to people that don't want it when it's enab …], Those are very few
[23:57] <wxl> if you want it and it's not enabled: nothing happens
[23:57] <wxl> if you don't want it and it's enabled: something you DON'T want happens
[23:57] <wxl> either way, we will make a choice that doesn't serve SOMEONE well
 I agree with that too.
[23:57] <wxl> in which case, i'd rather choose the path which results in the least amount of pain
[23:58] <wxl> which i'd argue is the case where nothing happens rather than something you don't want
 Only a small thing happens, one or two clicks that's it. People who don't want it will know how to disable it.
 They will disable it on first boot.
[23:59] <wxl> people who want it will know how to enable it by the same logic
 and I think along with the path of least resistance. the method we have to enable it is also easy, I would hate to take that away.


[10:12] <TomTom> hmm since a couple of days I have problems with pipewire/wireplumber. wireplumber is using up 100% and sometimes also the plasma audio widget hangs and locks the whole taskbar. then setting the volume does not work, inc/dec is triggered but jumps back in the UI to the original value. I have no idea to which this is connected. Could be the external screen (USBC) with speakers or the bluetooth headphones too...
[10:12] <TomTom> any idea about this. I've found bug reports which sound similar but it seems a fixes version is not released yet.
 Hi, what's the path of panels apps?I want configure it via console( delete or add them ) : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/d8b49434/file_72814.jpg
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:15] <skramer> Hi. I have an USB-printer connected to an old desktop and used to print via WLAN connection (IPP protocol). Now I noticed that printing from my laptop does not work anymore. Files on USB-stick directly at the desktop does work, though. Any idea where I could look at? Thanks in advance.
[17:23] <linuxalex> Hi, i have a question....
[17:26] <linuxalex> I want to install a new Kubuntu on my laptop (i currently have Kubuntu 23.10). I really need a clean install (because I have a loot of useless software). What is better to install: Kubuntu LTS (22.04), Kubuntu 23.10 (latest finished version) or Kubuntu 24.04 (beta)? Please help (it's my mainly used computer, i use it for work and school. Please give me your opinions. Thanks in advance 😄
[17:32] <oerheks> that is up to you, LTS or 23.10 ..
[17:43] <linuxalex> thx for the anwser oerheks 😄
[17:44] <linuxalex> i wasn't really sure, if i want to go with the 24.04 beta... but i will definitly update to it, when we get the official release
[17:46] <linuxalex> i think i will get 23.10 (because i don't really need the LTS version jet)... i'm currently not using any nVdidia Cuda or other staff, that has restrictions on the version for drivers, the the next LTS version is almost there
[17:47] <linuxalex> so in a short time, I will have a Cuda compatible os
[21:59] <CrapoidMan> hey


[10:13] <lool> apw: Hey there; for LP #732046 I had requested inclusion of nls_cp437 in the virtual kernel, but unfortunately it isn't enough and iso8859-1 is needed as well; I've confirmed that it is the only missing bit though; would you mind adding fs/nls/nls_iso8859-1.ko to debian.master/control.d/virtual.inclusion-list?
[10:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732046 in linux "Missing filesystem modules in -virtual package" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732046
[10:14] <smb> lool, You won't be very successful in reaching apw today. They got a royal wedding going on over there and got the day off
[10:14] <smb> I will have a look
[10:15] <lool> ah right
[10:15] <lool> How could I forget about the royal wedding
[10:15] <smb> Still better than to forget you own one (or any anniversary of it) :)
[10:15] <lool> haha
[10:16] <lool> smb: The above likely affects oneiric, natty and maverick   :-/
[10:16] <lool> I'm testing natty at the moment
[10:17] <smb> lool, Ok, let me know any results, I'd start with Maverick patches
[10:18] <jjohansen> smb: at this rate we should just get rid of the inclusion list
[10:19] <smb> jjohansen, Well, I think it is still better than to include everything
[10:19] <jjohansen> smb: well until we slowly have every driver asked for anyways
[10:19] <jjohansen> smb: I almost think its should be an exclusion list
[10:20] <smb> I at least believe there was still enough of missing ones.
[10:21] <smb> Though its true that at least filesystems might be on a "could be needed" list in general
[10:23] <jjohansen> smb: yeah, I think a hybrid approach some parts inclusion, some parts exclusion would work better
[10:24] <smb> jjohansen, Do we have some place to externalize/save that though for UDS-O?
[10:24] <smb> thought I meant
[10:24] <jjohansen> hrmm, we could drop it in misc blueprint
[10:26] <smb> jjohansen, I really should look by now, would we have a session between us and the server-team discussing any feature / idea / needs they got for us?
[10:27] <jjohansen> smb: I don't think we do yet, though we should
[10:27] <jjohansen> smb: updated the misc blueprint
[10:29] <smb> Ok. Thanks. Hm, yeah. I check to open that server-kernel blueprint. Though before I try to find out whether something possibly exists.
[10:31] <jjohansen> smb: yeah lets ping the server team and see what they have first
[10:31] <lool> smb: Right, same issue on natty
[10:32] <smb> lool, ok, I check whether the same patch applies to both or whether I need slightly different ones
[14:20] <hallyn> I'd like to see commit 332ab16f830f59e7621ae8eb2c353dc135a316f6 (add refcounting for lower inodes for ecryptfs) go into natty-updates.  Should I open a bug?
[14:21] <hallyn> or just beg and promise a beer at dublin sprint?
[14:21] <smb> hallyn, A bug is better (though nobody will turn down any beers)
[14:22] <hallyn> heh, maybe i'll do both
[14:22] <hallyn> ok i'll submit, thanks
[14:22] <smb> hallyn, If you got the report, a quick mail about patch and report to team-ml increases the chances of not being overlooked
[14:23] <hallyn> smb: thanks, will do
[15:06] <smb> jjohansen, Ok, so I just opened up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements
[15:07] <jjohansen> smb: thanks
[15:11] <smb> hggdh, smoser Daviey ^ Idea would be to add any loose/open ends to the whiteboard.
[15:12] <hggdh> smb: roj
[15:15] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: ping
[15:15] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, pong
[15:15] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: hi Eric
[15:15] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: in the past, didn't you use jtag on the dove board?
[15:16] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, yep
[15:16] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, which you need their xdb thing
[15:16] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: cool, which hw/sw did you use?
[15:16] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, it's called XDB or Extreme blah blah blah, cannot remember exactly
[15:16] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, you have to ask Marvell for the software and a usable license
[15:16] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, it's commercial :-/
[15:17] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: i've a flyswatter with ARM TI 14 and 20 pins interface
[15:17] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: uhm, i hoped someone tried openocd on it
[15:17] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, that possibly won't work - a DIY-ed wiggler?
[15:17] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, I had
[15:17] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, didn't work very well
[15:17] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: which profile did you test?
[15:18] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, couldn't stop the cpu
[15:18] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, I cannot remember
[15:18] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: ok, if suddenly you remeber it, please let me know
[15:18] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, there were 2 or 3 - all tried but failed
[15:18] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: ah ok
[15:18] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, the only way is to use their XDB, and even so - it didn't work very well
[15:19] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: no, it's ok
[15:19] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: i;m tracking down a bug on ARM v7
[15:19] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, ok
[15:19] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, and it's dove related?
[15:19] <ericm|ubuntu> specific?
[15:19] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: and i can reproduce it on every kernel and hw platform we have (ti-omap3/4)
[15:19] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: in my opinion it's a stack corruption so i wanted to test how that code path worked on another arm platform
[15:20] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: to double check my findigs
[15:20] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, ah ok
[15:20] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, cool - good luck then :-)
[15:20] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: unfortuntely it's an asm routine that is first relocated before the new kernel is kexeced
[15:20] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: so plain printk won't help here
[15:20] <ppisati> that's it
[15:21] <ppisati> trying to narrow the window :)
[15:21] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, so it's kexec related?
[15:21] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: kexec
[15:21] <ppisati> yep
[15:21] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, I'm having trouble with kexec on this imx53 board as well
[15:21] <ppisati> arm v7?
[15:21] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, yet do not have time to look into that further
[15:21] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, it would be good if you could find something
[15:21] <ppisati> wait
[15:21] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, so kexec doesn't work on TI omap3/4?
[15:21] <ppisati> yep
[15:22] <ppisati> broken in every release since...
[15:22] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, there were some issues but I believe they were addressed
[15:22] <ppisati> lucid? but lucid was a tech showcase
[15:22] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, kexec should be ok on marvell dove
[15:22] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: yep, works well there
[15:22] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, we had it fixed years ago
[15:22] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: but IIRC it's v6 over there
[15:22] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: yeah yeah, that's why i'm tryiong to debug the code there
[15:23] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, not really sure if v7 was enabled
[15:23] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, there was an issue that L2 wasn't flushed before disabled
[15:23] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, so the memory content is corrupted for the 2nd kernel
[15:23] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: anyway, read here for omap 3/4:
[15:23] <ppisati> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/768249
[15:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 768249 in linux-ti-omap4 "kexec panic: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1008) at 0x03510000" [Undecided,New]
[15:24] <ppisati> actually there are at least 2 bugs here
[15:24] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, I'm having exactly the same bug on this i.mx53 board
[15:24] <ppisati> first, when we are to juno to the relocation code, the memory location we end up is wrong
[15:24] <ppisati> second, if i force a jump to the correct location, it panics later
[15:25] <ppisati> i dind't dig into the second one, since first i would like to know what's wrong the machine_kexec()
[15:25] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, let me look into that bug
[15:25] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, interestingly enough - though I propose to flush L2 before kexec, the existing code doesn't seem to address this issue yet
[15:26] <ppisati> another thing that i didn't add to that bug report is that if i interleave a flush_cache_all() in the second part of machine kexec() (after 121 and before 124)
[15:26] <ppisati> the memory location where we jump is the correct one
[15:26] <ppisati> so, IMO there's something rotten in:
[15:26] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, so on my i.mx53 board, kexec was actually able to jump to the 0x70008000 which is the place where the 2nd kernel starts
[15:26] <ericm|ubuntu> and panic somewhere at 0x7000800c or so
[15:26] <ppisati> uhm
[15:27] <ppisati> and the relocation code is there, right?
[15:27] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, be aware that flush_cache_all() doesn't necessarily mean flush L2
[15:27] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, what do you mean by relocation code?
[15:27] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, that small block of code who moves the kernel to the memory start?
[15:27] <ericm|ubuntu> before the real jump?
[15:28] <ppisati> in machine kexec() first we copy the routine arch/arm/kernel/relocate_kernel.S::relocate_new_kernel() to reboot_code_buffer
[15:28] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, that's one thing I have concern, not really sure if the relocation code did it right, I just need a debugger to examine the memory content
[15:29] <ppisati> then we jumop to that routine that it actually load/move the new kernel
[15:29] <ppisati> add a printk
[15:29] <ppisati> ah no
[15:29] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, that won't work
[15:29] <ppisati> you can't check the last part...
[15:29] <ppisati> right
[15:29] <ppisati> yes, you need a jtag too
[15:29] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, the only reliable way to check that is to use jtag
[15:29] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, exactly
[15:29] <ppisati> yep
[15:29] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, but I believe the issue has the same root cause as the omap one
[15:30] <ppisati> if it's arm v7, i think so
[15:30] <ppisati> now i just took a break from this bug beacseu i was wasting too much time on it
[15:30] <ppisati> but i'll be back shortly
[15:30] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, yeah - go outside and have some fresh air
[15:30] <ppisati> and having another arm target working (jtag-wise) would be a huge help
[15:31] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, does your omap come with a debugger/software?
[15:31] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: i'm applying CVEs, is it the same as a walk outside? :)
[15:31] <ppisati> ericm|ubuntu: nope, i have my own jtag stuff
[15:31] <ppisati> wait
[15:32] <ppisati> http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16134&cat=251&page=1
[15:32] <ppisati> 50 bucks
[15:32] <ppisati> and then you can get cables/adapters for ARM and MIPS target
[15:32] <ppisati> and it's natively supported by openocd
[15:32] <ppisati> it's really nice
[15:32] <ppisati> if you compare it to a Lauterbach
[15:32] <ppisati> that costs thousands
[15:33] <ericm|ubuntu> ppisati, nice
[16:01] <herton> tgardner: something strange, there is a notification on bug 764758 that it got fixed on oneiric, but the patch is relevant for natty only
[16:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764758 in linux "Revert now uneeded "x86, hibernate: Initialize mmu_cr4_features during boot" on Natty" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764758
[16:03] <herton> ah now I see, patch was wrongly applied on oneiric
[16:04] <herton> sorry, didn't noticed this earlier
[16:04] <herton> the revert is only for stable (natty)
[16:04] <tgardner> herton, it shold have both the patch and the revert, right?
[16:04] <defiantredpill> Does anyone know where i can find the list of patches in the ubuntu kernel?
[16:04] <tgardner> herton, nm, not the revert.
[16:05] <herton> tgardner: yep, the revert is because the troublesome commit was reverted on stable, but kept on 2.6.39-rc + the fix
[16:06] <tgardner> defiantredpill, git is your friend. You can start here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[16:06] <herton> so 2.6.39 needs the fix, while the fix is not needed anymore on 2.6.38.x series
[16:06] <tgardner> herton, so I think I hear you saying Oneiric is OK ?
[16:06] <defiantredpill> thx
[16:06] <herton> tgardner: yes, we shouldn't apply the revert on it
[16:08] <herton> just explaining better: a fix for another long standing bug was made and applied on 2.6.39, with cc stable, and was applied to 2.6.38.x too
[16:09] <herton> but this fix introduce the hibernate regression
[16:09] <herton> *introduced
[16:09] <herton> a fix was made to 2.6.39, but stable guys decided to revert the commit on 2.6.38.x
[16:10] <herton> so 2.6.38.x doesn't need the fix anymore (so the revert I posted)
[16:10] <herton> while we don't need to do anything for 2.6.39
[16:10] <tgardner> herton, right, so I think we're OK.
[16:12] <herton> yes, but we shouldn't revert the fix on oneiric, so we need to revert the revert on it :)
[16:13] <tgardner> herton, how about if I just make it disappear?
[16:13]  * smb 's mind boggles
[16:13] <smb> I know it is a rebase tree anyway
[16:13] <tgardner> This one, right: UBUNTU: SAUCE: Revert "x86, hibernate: Initialize mmu_cr4_features during boot"
[16:14] <tgardner> smb, shit disappears from master-next dev trees all the time
[16:16] <smb> tgardner, well as I understand herton it got pushed out in a oneiric upload but meh
[16:16] <herton_> tgardner: yep, this one (in case the reply didn't went, connection dropped here)
[16:17] <tgardner> herton: its as if it never existed.
[16:17] <tgardner> you gotta love rebase :)
[16:18] <herton_> tgardner: yeah, saw here now on a new fetch it's ok, thanks
[16:38] <smb> tgardner, bjf Updated the cve-tracker with a mass rename update from jdstrand. Before changing things, be sure to pull
[16:40] <bjf> smb, wonder if this will bust apw's report
[16:41] <smb> bjf, Hm, dunno. I probably write a note to him (and probably myself to remind him of the note on Tuesday)
[16:42] <bjf> smb, well know as soon as the report cron runs again, top of the hour i think
[16:42] <bjf> s/well/we'll/
[16:43] <smb> Oh, wait maybe I get confused. Was that a report _for_ apw or one generated _by_ him?
[16:44] <smb> And what report exactly anyway... *sigh*
[16:45]  * smb looks longing towards the nice cool can of cider in the fridge...
[16:47] <bjf> jcastro, there is a uds-o conflict on monday at 10 with "Improve Suspend and Hibernate Kernel Debug" and the "Kernel Monday Roundtable" one is "hardware" the other is "other"
[16:48] <bjf> jcastro, is there a "simple" way the summit system can figure out the conflict?
[16:49] <jcastro> bjf: yeah manually scheduled roundtables don't get resolved, you can just click edit and drag it out of that slot
[16:49] <jcastro> bjf: I check those a bunch so if it starts to do that I move them, but if you run into that you can just fix it
[16:49] <bjf> jcastro, i don't want to change the roundtable, i want to have the other session autoscheduled to another slot
[16:50] <jcastro> right
[16:50] <jcastro> I just moved it
[16:50] <jcastro> you're good
[16:50] <bjf> jcastro, thanks
[16:51] <bjf> jcastro, if there were a way to say that we were "required" to be at the roundtable, would that help?
[16:55] <bjf> jcastro, is there somewhere else besides this channel that you'd like me to bring these to your attention ?
[16:56] <jcastro> bjf: yeah but the thing is the required thing needs a blueprint, so all I do is kick out sessions for tracks that are running roundtables
[16:56] <jcastro> it ends up being less work
[16:56] <jcastro> bjf: how you're doing it is fine.
[16:57] <bjf> jcastro, ok, same issue with Tuesday 9:00 with the "Ubuntu support for Intel UEFI firmware"
[17:03] <JFo> <-lunch, bbiab
[17:09] <jcastro> bjf: fixed
[17:09] <bjf> jcastro, thanks
[17:49] <Kano> hi jjohansen , didnt you want to fix the 32 bit daily builds?
[17:50] <jjohansen> Kano: ah yes, sorry I haven't gotten to looking at those yet
[17:50] <Kano> the last 32 bit kernel is rc4...
[17:51] <Kano> also did somebody notice that dvb-c has a much worse signal with .39 compared to .38?
[17:51] <jjohansen> Kano: unlikely .39 hasn't been the focus for the last few weeks
[17:52] <Kano> well all my scripts work with .39 kernel. every nv/fglrx
[18:45] <kees> bjf: I'm confused about CVE-2011-1182. it's marked as "released" (without versions) and "ignored" (without a reason). what's up with that CVE?
[18:45] <ubot2> kees: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1182)
[18:47] <bjf> kees, for Lucid, Maverick and Natty the patches have already been applied via stable upstream releases
[18:47] <kees> bjf: ah-ha, okay. I'll have to find out which -security version they appear in.
[18:48] <bjf> kees. for Hardy, let me go back and look
[18:48] <tgardner> kees, apw has been working on a script to match stable updates and CVE commits.
[18:48] <kees> bjf: for hardy, if the code isn't vulnerable, "not-affected" is fine. "ignored" implies it's vulnerable, but for some reason we're not patching it.
[18:48] <kees> tgardner: excellent!
[18:48] <bjf> kees, bug 772543 shows when the patches came in
[18:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 772543 in linux-mvl-dove "CVE-2011-1182" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772543
[18:49] <bjf> kees, that may have been the case that i tagged it incorrectly, but i need to go back and look again
[18:50] <kees> bjf: okay, I see the upstream/stable version notes. I'll have to figure out where those are with respect to our published -security versions, update the old USNs, etc.
[18:50] <bjf> kees, some of those are probably in -proposed right now
[18:50] <bjf> kees, so "released" may have too strong a term
[18:50] <kees> ah! in that case, it should be "pending" (since they're not released)
[18:50] <kees> yeah :)
[18:51] <kees> this way I can examine the "pending" CVEs when writing up the USN (in the case of the CVE not showing up in the changelog, etc)
[18:51] <kees> anyway, this is part of the grey area to discuss at UDS :) thanks!
[18:52] <kees> oh! also, I've just EOL'd karmic, so you might want to pull in our u-c-t tree to see those changes so you can ignore karmic from now on. :)
[18:52] <bjf> kees, ok, those signals didn't exist in hardy, so that should have been "not-affected" i'll fix that up
[18:52] <kees> bjf: perfecto, thanks!
[18:58]  * bjf -> lunch / errand
[18:59]  * tgardner --> lunch
[20:01]  * jj-afk -> lunch
[20:34] <lool> smb: Just a note that I tested a rebuilt natty kernel with the iso8859-1 module added under a natty ec2 instance and it solved the problem
[20:49] <serge_> two xfs snafus on natty in one day.  I'm getting suspicious
[21:11] <cwilson_> So I have a long running copy of a file that is just over 4TB from one internal drive to a firewire drive mounted on the same system, transfer speeds start out in the 20-30 MB/s range but then after 24 hours it drops down to 5-8MB/s and then after another day or so the transfer drops down again to around 50KB/s.  The big difference I see process wise after the first drop is the kernel flush process for the target drive being in D state all the time a
[21:11] <cwilson_> rsync process that I'm using for the copy being in 'S+' state.
[21:12] <ohsix> what filesystems are involved?
[21:12] <cwilson_> At the begining of the process when the speeds are high I am seeing both the flush process in D state but also the rsync process in D state, could this be related to how the kernel is flushing the file out?
[21:12] <cwilson_> I am reading from an XFS filesystem and writing to an XFS filesystem
[21:13] <ohsix> ah, i don't have anything to add; i've just seen something like that but highly exaggerated with ntfs-3g as a destination
[21:13] <cwilson_> cool, thanks


[12:29] <sid> RxDx: It's best to wait until October when it releases as stable.   Just making sure you know a dist-upgrade doesn't necessarily require a reboot
[12:33] <gnomefreak> sid: no kernel changes
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i had to install kernel by hand the other day
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the meta being released
[12:34] <gnomefreak> udev changes will cause you to need to reboot
[12:34] <gnomefreak> hal and stuff liek that
[12:34] <gnomefreak> like
[12:36] <sid> It did a generating initramfs-tools...
[12:36] <sid> So I figured I'd reboot. I needed to restart X anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone.
[12:37] <sid> now let's see if DRI is enabled with dual monitors on this ATI 9100 card
[12:37] <sid> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[12:37] <sid> heh, it's still not enabled, but at least the latest xorg gives me more clues.
[12:39] <cps1966> if you want eyecandy buy a ps3
[12:40] <sid> no, my goal isn't eye candy
[12:40] <sid> some ati bug with dual monitors, and you need to use mergefb and other stuff, but it still won't work right.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> sid: the ati drivers havent changed
[12:40] <sid> But there are fixes in the latest xorg trunk.
[12:40] <sid> (which hasn't changed in gutsy)
[12:41] <sid> 7.3 will release in august
[12:41] <cps1966> you should be shot for using ati
[12:41] <tritium> uh, no
[12:42] <sid> cps1966: I'm using the "ati" driver from xorg(radeon)
[12:42] <sid> I'm not using fglrx.
[12:42] <cps1966> so you should get a real card
[12:42] <tritium> cps1966: give it a rest
[12:43] <gnomefreak> cps1966: please stop now
[12:43] <gnomefreak> tritium: beat me to it
[12:43] <sid> cps1966: What is a real card?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> sid: please dont
[12:43] <sid> You mean open graphics project?(I plan on buying one of those)
[12:43] <gnomefreak> opinions mean nothing in here and shouldnt show up in here
[12:44] <cps1966> facts are facts and you cant change that
[12:44] <gnomefreak> cps1966: give it a rest now please
[12:44] <tritium> cps1966: you haven't stated _any_ facts.   I don't buy ATI or Nvidia. new machines I get Intel 950 graphics chipset
[12:48] <sid> This ATI card is 5 years old, before I knew they were selling me a card and not telling me how it works.(memory registers etc0
[12:48] <sid> While Intel doesn't tell you how it works either, they at least provide free/libre drivers.
[12:48] <sid> Although my particular card, they did give most documentation for it and how it works.
[12:48] <cps1966> you buy a linux certified machine
[12:48] <sid> But this is only because it's an older ATI card, the new ones they obviously don't give out docs.
[12:50] <cps1966> that is if you intend to use linux
[12:50] <tritium> You can buy whatever you choose to.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> cps1966: stop with the opinions now
[12:50] <sid> So really.. my card is probably the most free card on the market.
[12:50] <sid> I don't think you could buy a better graphic chipset than a 9100.
[12:51] <sid> if your goal is freedom that is
[12:51] <crdlb> the 9250 :)
[12:51] <sid> My chipset is more free than all the Intel chipsets, since there is full hardware documentation for it.
[12:52] <pwnguin> speaking of freedom
[12:52] <crdlb> sid, are you trying to get it working?
[12:52] <cps1966> gnomefreak:  what the hell is the difference noone saying anything anyway
[12:52] <pwnguin> what happened to the gnewsense in ubuntu thing?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> cps1966: you are muted for ignoring the warnings that were given to you.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> cps1966: it will last for 10 minutes please take this time to get it out of your system.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: its not officially a ubuntu derivitive speak to ompaul about it he should know more
[12:54] <pwnguin> gnomefreak: i spoke with paul
[12:54] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: he is founder he would know about it. it doesnt belong in this channel
[12:54] <pwnguin> what i meant was, the gutsy announcement talked about an official ubuntu thing
[12:54] <sid> crdlb: yea, I'll have to use mergedfgb
[12:55] <sid> pwnguin: They are being folded into official Ubuntu I believe. iirc
[12:55] <pwnguin> sid: ompaul doesnt seem to think so
[12:55] <pwnguin> which is why i asked him about it
[12:55] <sid> pwnguin: There will be a 100% free version of Ubuntu made in part from the Gnewsense guys.
[12:55] <sid> pwnguin: Well according to Mark Shuttleworth's blog this is how it will be. iirc
[12:56] <pwnguin> sid: right, well, i didnt see a gutsy target so i followd up on the blog article
[12:56] <gnomefreak> !offtopic | sid pwnguin
[12:56] <ubotu> sid pwnguin: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:56] <pwnguin> what?
[12:56] <pwnguin> how is an announced goal of gutsy offtopic?
[12:56] <sid> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/date/2007/02/ "we have restarted the effort to produce a flavour of Ubuntu that includes no proprietary drivers or firmware at all. In fact, this flavour will take an ultra-conservative approach to all forms of content on the .iso, whether that be artistic or code."
[12:57] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: what does it have to do with gutsy support at all?
[12:59] <pwnguin> gnomefreak: its hard to file bug reports if you dont know where to get it from
[12:59] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: you file a bug against it out side of official ubuntu bug tracker. where ever they set thier bug tracker up
[01:00] <gnomefreak> or if a spec or a wish list file it under ubuntu in LP
[01:00] <pwnguin> thats the thing, i havent seen a spec or blueprint for it. i was wondering who and how it was being done
[01:01] <gnomefreak> than talk to ompaul about it or make one but it does not belong in here
[01:01] <pwnguin> ompaul suggested he talked with the ubuntu people, and that's the extent of his involvement
[01:01] <pwnguin> fine
[01:02] <pwnguin> its clearly not being supported by ubuntu officially. thats good enough information for the moment to me.
[03:47] <r00tintheb0x> wow @ http://www.getdeb.net/
[04:33] <Dana1> I figured something out:
[04:34] <Hobbsee> oh?
[04:34] <Dana1> The 2.6.22 kernels have broken suspend for me, but suspend still works with the 2.6.20 kernel.
[04:34] <Dana1> So the bug there must be in the kernel.
[04:34] <DanaG> In about 2 weeks, I will be done with this quarter; so then I'll pay more attention to reporting the bugs.
[04:37] <crimsun> wonder which suspend method is being used.
[04:39] <DanaG> I think I have gone back to the default (i.e. not uswsusp or hibernate or powersaved).
[04:39] <DanaG> Though I disabled the 3 video-related things in /etc/default/acpi-support -- save vbe state, post video, save video PCI state.
[04:42] <DanaG> Another bug I need to file is  about and brightness control: gnome-power-manager tries to fade the screen, but instead it makes the screen go bright-off-medium-off-dim (and it went off again until I manually fixed the gconf setting).
[04:43] <DanaG> It seems like it's trying to set brightness in increments of 1, while my BIOS only allows discrete steps of 12 or 13.
[04:49] <DanaG> Oh, for some reason my iAudio6 shows up as a USB Mass Storage device even when I have it in MTP mode.
[05:07] <DanaG> Hmm, unknown symbol in libhunspell.
[05:08] <DanaG> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libspell680li.so: undefined symbol:_ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc
[05:08] <DanaG> I'll have to boot Windows to work on the document, then.  Fine by me -- such is the nature of an alpha OS.
[07:07] <jibberish> how does one copy text with keyboard? ctrl v pastes fine, ctrl +shift+c doesnt copy for me or ctrl +c, i have to use mouse
[07:11] <jibberish> how does one copy text with keyboard? ctrl v pastes fine, ctrl +shift+c doesnt copy for me or ctrl +c, i have to use mouse
[07:16] <jibberish> does anyone know the command to copy just text? i know cp is copy file
[10:28] <edgy> Hi, I am reading in Accelerated C++ and it uses #include <string> but if I omit it still I can define std::string so the header is not needed?
[10:28] <crimsun> you should include it if you use it.
[10:29] <crimsun> don't count on non-conformant (or "less"-conformant) compilers fudging for you
[10:32] <edgy> crimsun: so there is nothing like string is already include in another header (iostream e.g) already?
[10:32] <crimsun> iostream definitely does not include string, no.
[10:35] <edgy> crimsun: so g++ is not conformant to standard in this aspect? won't this be  a bold claim?
[10:36] <crimsun> edgy: huh?
[10:36] <crimsun> edgy: no, the point is that you _should_ include string if you use it.
[10:37] <crimsun> don't count on things like Visual Studio or Visual C++
[10:38] <edgy> crimsun: ok thx a lot. btw do you believe that I though I am on #c++? ;) It's just strange that you replied to me in #ubuntu+1 and didn't send me away
[10:39] <crimsun> well it's certainly off-topic, true.
[10:42] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:49] <spheard> hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction, refreshing the page has no effect
[11:50] <sivaji> spheard try run u r browser from console and see what error u get
[11:50] <sivaji> to
[11:51] <spheard> sivaji:kdesu?
[11:51] <mikkael> spheard: getswiftfox.com :)
[11:51] <mikkael> nope, just run "firefox"
[11:51] <mikkael> from a terminal
[11:52] <spheard> mikkael that works
[11:52] <spheard> no error
[11:52] <sivaji> open some web page
[11:53] <spheard> yep, http://getswiftfox.com/ looks nice
[11:55] <spheard> http://www.moonet.co.uk/
[11:55] <spheard> is this page serving properly
[11:56] <sivaji> ya
[11:56] <spheard> okay, this is odd. www.moonet.co.uk is the page that Im currently writing causes problems but google works fine
[11:57] <sivaji> spheard what is u r problem
[11:57] <spheard> (10:49:12) spheard: hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction, refreshing the page has no effect
[11:58] <spheard> its a really odd intermittant error
[11:59] <gnomefreak> what page is giving you issues?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> 3 if you have 3
[12:00] <gnomefreak> also what version of ubuntu and firefox are you using?
[12:03] <spheard> gnomefreak: ubuntu 6.10, firefox <IP_ADDRESS>. www.moonet.co.uk, www.akiratech.com and various other sites. Everything works fine in konqueror.
[12:03] <gnomefreak> spheard: please join #ubuntu-mozillateam and ill look at these sites in the mean time
[12:04] <spheard> gnomefreak: thanks!!
[12:04] <sivaji> spheard better u reinstall it
[12:04] <gnomefreak> sivaji: not accurate
[12:05] <spheard> I have done in the past, Ive had this problem on and off for ages
[12:05] <spheard> a reboot usually fixes it
[12:05] <sivaji> gnomefreak what else can be done tell me
[12:05] <spheard> usually
[12:06] <gnomefreak> sivaji: as soon as i have something to test it against i will let you know but im one of the devels for ubuntu mozilla
[12:06] <spheard> gnomefreak: oh thank god
[04:09] <pgoodall> Anyone seen kwii?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> kwwii?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> pgoodall: kwwii (kubuntu devel)?
[04:12] <_4str1> !seen kwwii
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen kwwii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <pgoodall> gnomefreak: yea, kwii from kubuntu
[04:13] <gnomefreak> pgoodall: kwii or kwwii?
[04:14] <pgoodall> Might have his nick wrong... Ken Wimer
[04:14] <pgoodall> artist
[04:14] <gnomefreak> pgoodall: hes in #kubuntu-devel not talking atm
[04:14] <pgoodall> thx!
[04:14] <gnomefreak> yw
[06:40] <MacSlow> Can somebody tell me how to create a core dump one can load with gdb under Ubuntu?
[06:40] <MacSlow> I only seem to find this (seemingly) uuencoded .crash files in /var/crash
[06:41] <MacSlow> but that's not directly usable by gdb
[08:39] <luis_lopez> what version of ALSA is included in gutsy?
[08:45] <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc4 (Wed May 09 09:51:39 2007 UTC).
[08:45] <DanaG> Though I haven't booted the newer kernel.
[11:44] <macogw> any chance of gutsy's installer being "smarter" about what it installs? its kind of ridiculous that it installs 30 graphics drivers when you lack that many graphics cards and that it sets it to start services (like bluetooth, in my case) for which you don't have hardware, by default.  changing it might require creating something that notices new hardware though
[11:50] <llol> hello folks
[11:51] <llol> anyone in here today
[11:55] <llol> is there anyway to shorten the password sizes


[00:37] <Riddell> oneiric packages still need to compile away and probably need retries in kubuntu-ninjas
[00:37] <Riddell> then testing
[00:37] <Riddell> then copy over
[00:37] <Riddell> and upload to precise
[00:37] <Riddell> then release
[00:37] <Riddell> upstream will release about midday so I guess we won't be quite on time but not too far off
[00:52] <ScottK> Way better than we've been doing.
[08:41] <apachepanda> ScottK: maybe it is time to switch to pyside :P
[09:49] <Riddell> apachepanda: just when Nokia is going to stop development of it?
[09:50] <apachepanda> oh, we do? good stuff
[09:50] <apachepanda> let's drop python altogehter and use js then
[09:50] <Tm_T> I thought we were moving to perl
[09:51] <apachepanda> no perl is getting the boot
[09:51] <apachepanda> cdwise
[09:51] <apachepanda> do we even use cds?
[10:04] <apachepanda> Riddell: do you happen to know what the particular compatibility problem with suse's bzip2 is?
[10:12] <Riddell> apachepanda: yes it's a patch they sadd
[10:12] <Riddell> ..add
[10:12] <Riddell> don't remember what but we have a bug about it somewhere
[10:13] <Riddell> probably on prictine-source
[10:14] <apachepanda> well, I see a patch about compressing with a 20 bit huffman, whereas upstream bz2 uses 17 bits
[10:14] <apachepanda> however!
[10:15] <apachepanda> upstream bz2 decodes up to 20 bits (for compatibility reasons), so I don't imagine that would be the cause
[10:23] <apachepanda> ah
[10:23] <apachepanda> Riddell: the problem is that we cannot recreate the tars?
[10:23] <apachepanda> bit compatible
[10:23] <Riddell> apachepanda: yes
[10:24] <Riddell> which screws up UDD
[10:24] <apachepanda> well, we don't do UDD :P
[10:24] <Riddell> which is fine as long as UDD still has issues but one day it may be the grand solution we all want
[10:24] <debfx> there is a new version of pristine-tar in debian that claims to fix this
[10:24] <apachepanda> to be perfectly honest, I think the issue is with the pristine stuff though
[10:25] <apachepanda> before bz2 1.0.3 upstream was using 20 bit huffman too
[10:25] <Riddell> bug 845625
[10:25] <apachepanda> so essentially the pristine thing did not support tars prior to 1.0.3
[10:25] <apachepanda> which is a bug in itself
[10:25] <apachepanda> IMHO
[10:25] <Riddell> debian bug 641019
[10:25] <Riddell> debfx: that's very promising then
[10:33] <apachepanda> I love how one cannot close rekonq by doing ctrlw with one tab
[11:05] <Riddell> all right, all compiled, time to test
[11:05] <Riddell> ** KDE SC 4.8 testing needed, message me to find out how
[11:05] <Riddell> except you all know :)
[11:06] <Tm_T> refresh my memory?
[11:27] <Tm_T> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-dataengines-addons_4%3a4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-engine-kdeobservatory.desktop', which is also in package plasma-widget-kdeobservatory 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1
[11:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: mm, that's just why we need it tested
[11:29] <Tm_T> I know, and that's why I'm testing it (:
[11:30] <Tm_T> especially as I tend to install quite a lot, sometimes a bit weird collection of packages
[11:32] <Daviey> ah, try now (please)
[11:34] <Riddell> Daviey: pardon?
[11:47] <Daviey> Gah, sorry - wrong window Riddell
[11:47] <mikecb> least it wasn't a password
[11:48] <Tm_T> (:
[11:48] <mikecb> kwallet has caused me to do that twice
[11:48] <Riddell> maybe it is, let me try launchpad login >:)
[11:48] <Riddell> mikecb: really?  because the password window loses focus?
[11:49] <mikecb> kwallet is up, and then quassel opens right before I type it in
[11:49] <mikecb> I suppose it's more the auto-launch previous session thing lol
[11:49] <Riddell> mm session restore
[11:49] <mikecb> so useful, yet so dangerous
[11:49] <Riddell> well it would make sense for kwin to have a way for windows that are certain to always retain focus and for kwallet to use it
[11:50] <Riddell> maybe kwin already does, I suspect gnome password thing uses it
[11:50] <mikecb> like the windows secure desktop...that would be nice
[11:56] <Tm_T> one can create such rule trivially I believe
[11:56] <Riddell> mikecb: I'm never going to have time to look into this but if you want to it takes asking kwin guys what kwin offers and filing bugs to make it happen if it doesn't, then talking to kwallet/secret sevice/kdesudo coders to implement using it
[11:57] <mikecb> seems so...I contemplated making a quassel plugin to parse inputs and ask "This looks like a password, do you really want to send it?"
[11:57] <mikecb> Riddell: that sounds like a good project
[11:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: mikecb: kwin rules offers required functionality, I can create the rule and share it if need be
[11:58] <Riddell> that's never going to work reliably, it depends on people using what is expected to be passwords when good practice encourages passphrases which won't be recognisable by a programme
[11:58] <mikecb> yeah I know, that was more joke than reality ;)
[11:59] <Riddell> Tm_T: it doesn't need a config rule, it needs the programmes that have password dialogues to set them to the right kwin rules on creating the dialog
[11:59] <mikecb> how does kde prefer to be contacted?  mailinglist or individual devs?
[11:59] <Riddell> well maybe a config rule could work as a distro workaround
[12:00] <Tm_Tr> hmmm, you mean all password dialogues?
[12:00] <Riddell> mikecb: depends on the project, kwin is mgraessin who is on irc sometimes, the probably also have their own mailing list
[12:00] <Riddell> Tm_T: sure
[12:01] <Tm_Tr> hmmm, I wonder if in general, password request windows have some combinative factor
[12:01] <Tm_Tr> ...or what's the correct word
[12:01] <mikecb> okay, I'll take that on
[12:01] <Riddell> mikecb: let us know how you get on
[12:01] <Tm_Tr> Tm_T: you're not answering to ping
[12:02] <mikecb> k
[12:10] <Riddell> I think my dist-upgrade is taking ages because of libreoffice not the 4.8 I want to test
[12:12] <Riddell> I'm going to put networkmanager rc 4 along with the KDE SC packages for oneiric since the maintainer is pointing out that he's getting too many old bug reports
[12:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: have you tested the upgraded networkmanager
[12:12] <Riddell> ?
[12:19] <Riddell> "KDE Telepathy 0.3 "Ninja" Released - First Beta!"  who's out telepathy ninja?
[12:20] <Riddell> "KDE Telepathy 0.3 "Ninja" Released - First Beta!"  who's our telepathy ninja?
[12:34] <Riddell> Tm_T: are you able to test kontact?
[12:35] <Riddell> I /think/ it's working but I'm not sure
[12:36] <Riddell> oh good new mail arrived, seems to be working then
[12:37] <Riddell> sending works too, I declaire akonadi good enough
[13:12] <Riddell> ok I want to move SC 4.8 to kubuntu-ppa backports now
[13:12] <Riddell> but it might run out of space
[13:12] <Riddell> should I remove lucid packages or natty or both?
[13:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: we have currently network issues (ISP has broken connection) so I cannot download stuff properly
[13:30] <Tm_T> including I have no access to google (:
[13:31] <ts2> no google!? how are you surviving?
[13:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: but you did get most of 4.8 installed and tested?
[13:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: uh, not yet tested, as the network issue employed me (:
[13:40] <Tm_T> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-dataengines-addons_4%3a4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-engine-kdeobservatory.desktop', which is also in package plasma-widget-kdeobservatory 4:4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1
[13:40] <Tm_T> now both packages are 4.8.0 but the same conflict
[13:41] <Tm_T> we got the network back (:
[13:41] <Tm_T> https://fortn.net/ficixstats/#/page?name=_FICIX1_FICIX1Telekarelia_InterfaceStatistics
[13:41] <Riddell> ok so I need to wait for you or someone to test before relasing
[13:41] <Riddell> since I never trust my own testing alone
[13:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: ye, what's with that conflict? should be fixed before release?
[13:41] <Riddell> that plasma-addons issue I fixed, you'll need to use --force-overwrite
[13:42] <Riddell> will be fixed in the kubuntu-ppa/backports version
[13:43] <Tm_T> roger (:
[13:44] <Riddell> Tm_T: let me know when you get it installed and you've tested a few programmes for sanity
[13:44] <Riddell> plasma still has the annoying issue of freezing for 20 seconds on bootup for me
[13:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: as soon as I get rebooted, I can tell if networkmanager and Kontact works (:
[13:49] <Tm_T>  akonadi-backend-mysql : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.5 but it is not installable
[13:49] <Tm_T>                          Depends: mysql-client-core-5.5 but it is not installable
[13:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: ^
[13:49] <Riddell> aah
[13:49] <Riddell> why didn't I come across that?
[13:49] <Tm_T> this is 11.10 btw
[13:50] <Riddell> me too, it was held back for me
[13:50] <Riddell> ok this is why we test
[13:51] <Riddell> it's also why upstream shouldn't make test tars available the evening before release
[13:52] <Tm_T> there should be full 24 hours for testing
[13:54] <Riddell> exactly
[13:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: will the private ppa have the fix for this, or should I ignore it for now?
[13:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes I'll upload in a sec
[13:56] <Tm_T> great (:
[13:57] <Riddell> Tm_T: ok look out for 1.7.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 being available from kubuntu-ninjas then carry on installing and testing
[14:00] <Riddell> hmm no
[14:02] <Riddell> akonadi_1.7.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa2
[14:02] <Riddell> not ~ppa1
[14:04]  * Riddell uploads kde4libs to precise and starts preparing the other ones
[14:07] <Tm_T> it's still not offering ~ppa2
[14:08] <Tm_T> hmmmmmh
[14:08] <Riddell> it's still waiting to compile "Start in 1 minute "
[14:08] <Tm_T> ah, right
[14:08] <Tm_T> on which builder it is in line?
[14:09] <Tm_T> or how this did work anyway (:
[14:11] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/3120610 has details but I doubt you have access
[14:11] <Riddell> can give you access if wanted
[14:11] <Riddell> or maybe that's not secret
[14:12] <Tm_T> ye, I have no access
[14:12] <Riddell> give me your lp name if you want it
[14:12] <Tm_T> https://launchpad.net/~tmt
[14:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: try now
[14:16] <Tm_T> thanks (:
[14:16] <Tm_T> it could be I have to jump to bus in a moment, which means I will try do the same upgrade at home, but that would mean more than one hour from now until I could get to it
[14:17] <Tm_T> but that would mean 2 systems tested then, so not entirely bad (;
[14:18] <Riddell> Tm_T: thanks
[14:19] <Riddell> did we ever get that irc bot testers call added?
[14:19] <Tm_T> ubottu or kubotu?
[14:19] <Riddell> any
[14:20] <Riddell> we were discussing it the other day
[14:20] <Riddell> like !ninjas to ping people but for testing
[14:20] <Tm_T> ah, couldn't find it from ubottu's brains, so prolly not added yet
[14:21] <Tm_T> ...I wan't my ibook back to work so I could use it for testing too
[14:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: if you want you can add it and ask (here and mailing list) for people willing to be added
[14:21] <Tm_T> rogery
[14:29] <Riddell> Quintasan_: you're the kde telepathy ninja?  up for packaging 0.3 and getting it in the archive?
[14:30] <Tm_T> yay, built
[14:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: installed without further issues, restarting
[14:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: all looks ok except display settings didn't come over
[14:37] <Tm_T> 23" widescreen is now using 1280x1024 apparently
[14:44] <Riddell> Tm_T: but you can change it manually again?
[14:44] <Riddell> that sounds like an X issue
[14:44] <Riddell> from your reboot
[14:47] <Tm_T> yeh
[14:47] <Tm_T> other than that, all seemed to be ok
[14:47] <Tm_T> on a bus now, so can test more in 45 mins
[14:49] <yofel> feel free to add me to !testers btw.
[14:49]  * yofel will test 4.8-O when he's home (~1h)
[14:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: I had manually set display settings, so it should have come over
[14:50] <Tm_T> set & saved, it doesn't change them automatically when I add or remove displays
[14:50] <Tm_T> so hummm
[14:50] <Tm_T> two displays btw
[14:51] <Riddell> just what KDE has always been not very good at
[14:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, just interesting it fails at upgrade when it's been just fine when I
[14:52] <yofel> well, I was at least able to attach a beamer 2 days ago to my netbook, which didn't work at all like 3 releases ago. So there's some progress
[14:52] <Tm_T> 've been plugging screens in and out
[14:53] <Tm_T> yofel: ye, have had zero issues lately
[14:53] <Tm_T> zero or nearly
[14:56] <Riddell> I've always been able to use my projector without problems, there's loads of improvements that should be made but never a case of it doesn't work for years
[14:59] <ScottK> For Hardy (KDE3) mine would lock up X and completely freeze.
[15:00] <ScottK> For KDE 4.1 - 4.3 I had to set things up very carefully.
[15:00] <ScottK> Since 4.4 it's ~just worked for me.
[15:19] <Riddell> how do I make sed apply to only the first line of a file?
[15:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: at what time the kde sc upstream release is planned?
[15:23] <apachepanda> Riddell: first line or first occurance?
[15:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: three hours ago
[15:24] <Riddell> apachepanda: first line
[15:24] <apachepanda> that might be tricky with in-place
[15:24] <apachepanda> something like sed q ...
[15:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh so it's late, nice (:
[15:24] <Riddell> 15:20 < pitti> Riddell: sed '1 s/foo/bar/'
[15:24] <Riddell> apachepanda: pitti got it
[15:24] <apachepanda> that is first occurance IIRC
[15:26] <Tm_T> take the first line to stdout, do sed, direct it back to its place?
[15:27] <Tm_T> if nothing else works (:
[15:27] <apachepanda> yeah
[15:27]  * apachepanda would head it
[15:28] <Tm_T> apachepanda: for example, yes
[15:40] <ScottK> Riddell: It's released.
[15:40] <ScottK> 18 minutes ago
[15:41] <Riddell> ScottK: "it" being KDE SC?
[15:42] <Riddell> not on kde.org yet
[15:42] <Riddell> that's how I judge it
[15:42] <Riddell> well normally I judge it by sebas talking about doing it but I don't see that today
[15:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, based on what Dirk sent to packagers.
[15:44] <Tm_T> same problem, haven't seen release messages of any kind
[15:45] <Riddell> ScottK: oh he means it's syncing to mirrors, some hours after that is time for announcements usually
[15:46] <ScottK> Right, but I think it's safe to put out our packages.
[15:46] <Tm_T> upgrading at home
[15:46] <Tm_T> will have results in 15 mins perhaps
[15:46] <Riddell> ScottK: kde4libs uploaded, waiting on tm_t to test oneiric to move that over
[15:46] <ScottK> OK.
[15:46] <Riddell> BluesKaj said he's test precise
[15:47] <ScottK> Did you see the kde-baseapps mail on packagers?
[15:47] <ScottK> Sounds like something we ought to patch.
[15:47] <Riddell> ScottK: I did that yesterday I think
[15:47] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.
[15:47] <Riddell> I know I added that patch
[15:52] <Tm_T> uh, right http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2012-January/005476.html
[15:52] <Tm_T> so it really was last-minute release (:
[15:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: looks like downloading takes good time, so more than 15 minutes (;
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  all looks fine so far , just running thru the apps looking for anomolies
[15:57] <Riddell> BluesKaj: excellent
[15:58] <Riddell> BluesKaj: check kontact and whatever else you want
[15:58] <Riddell> anyone going to fosdem? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Fosdem/2012
[15:58] <Riddell> (as well as KDE wiki pages)
[16:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: where has your testing got to?
[16:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: installing
[16:15] <Tm_T> only 462 packages to install
[16:23] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  unfortunately I don't use kmail/kontact since My email provider contracted my email server out to hotmail , which i find ridiculous so I just switched to web email services like gmail and my bell ISP email.
[16:24] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ok but test kontact for calendaring for example
[16:24] <Riddell> question is "is akonadi working"
[16:24] <BluesKaj> ok will try
[16:26] <BluesKaj> errr ...don't use akonadi either, it's disabled :) ...but everything else works so far
[16:26] <Riddell> BluesKaj: how is it disabled?
[16:27] <ScottK> Non-working Akonadi or Kontact isn't a release blocker anyway.  SC 4.7 clearly established that.
[16:27] <yofel> you can barely use anything in *pim these days without akonadi
[16:27] <BluesKaj> guess , i'm not gonna be much help
[16:27] <ScottK> Riddell: It doesn't start until something uses it, so if nothing is using it, it won't come on.
[16:27]  * yofel updates
[16:28]  * Riddell uploading bits to precise
[16:28] <Tm_T> I'll have test results soon if I'm reading install log correctly
[16:30] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  I have it as anon starter in startup & shutdown>session management >"applications to be excluded from sessions", I have akonadi listed along with nepomuk and timidity
[16:31] <Riddell> BluesKaj: but you can still use it, it'll start when kontact starts
[16:33]  * BluesKaj has to reinstall kontact/kmail
[16:35] <BluesKaj> the kmail wizard can't find my ISP's email server and hasb't been able to since it was contracted to hotmail , pophm and smtphm are the incoming and outgoing settings which work on thunderbird but not kmail
[16:37] <Tm_T> I thought you can use hotmail with imap too
[16:37] <Tm_T> relogin ->
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Tm_T,  yes i tried the imap settings as well
[16:40] <BluesKaj> brb , reboot
[16:42] <Tm_T> Kopete (akonadi) works
[16:43] <Riddell> Tm_T: great
[16:43] <Tm_T> testing kontact (kmail)
[16:44] <Tm_T> blargh, one moment
[16:44] <Tm_T> forgot I'm at home and on my own account (;
[16:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: so you say it's ok so I can copy to oneiric I guess
[16:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: currently testing on a non-gitbuild environment (my home account is that instead of kubuntu packages, my bad)
[16:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: akonadi doesn't run
[16:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: so kontact doesn't work?
[16:56] <Tm_T> ye
[16:56] <Tm_T> I'll try make sure it's not old cruft messing things
[16:56] <Riddell> I'll test too
[16:58] <Tm_T> yeah, some old cruft on an account who has never used akonadi on anything ends up having non-functioning akonadi
[16:58] <Tm_T> ~/.local/share/akonadi (re)moved, and things works
[16:59] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:00] <Tm_T> after that, akonadi stops and starts just fine
[17:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: how did it go?
[17:00] <Riddell> working nicely for me after install akonadi 1.7 and reboot
[17:00] <soee> Riddell, hi
[17:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: Better than expected
[17:01] <soee> is it ok to upgrade from ninja ppa ?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:01] <yofel> :)
[17:01] <Riddell> hi soee, no, but what are you trying to achieve?
[17:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: so are you able to add a testers ping to a bot?
[17:01] <Tm_T> ye
[17:01] <soee> Riddell, on my list i have ninja ppa with 4.8.0 i guess
[17:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add !kubuntu-test as "Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, tm_t, shadeslayer, BluesKaj" ?
[17:02] <Tm_T> ubottu: testers-#kubuntu is Tm_T yofel and other testers, ping pong ding dong we have tests to do! Report to Riddell immediately!
[17:02] <Tm_T> whops, I was too quick (;
[17:03] <Riddell> oh whatever is better
[17:03] <Riddell> soee: ok can you wait
[17:03] <shadeslayer> need testers?
[17:03] <Riddell> soee: it's being copied to a real ppa and I'd like it tested there
[17:03] <soee> Riddell, crap already started :/
[17:03] <Riddell> soee: ok carry on then
[17:04] <Tm_T> ubottu: testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj
[17:04] <shadeslayer> And what about precise?
[17:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: maybe, what are you running?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: precise
[17:04] <Tm_T> I first added to wrong channel too (:
[17:04] <yofel> !testers
[17:04] <yofel> :D
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: <3
[17:04] <Riddell> Tm_T: well we want it on #kubuntu as well
[17:05] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, testers-#kubuntu is <alias> testers-#kubuntu-devel
[17:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: then watch out for it appearing in archive and install it and test when it does
[17:05] <Tm_T> now it should be the same on both channels
[17:05] <shadeslayer> lets see
[17:05] <yofel> meh, still downloading :/
[17:05] <soee> ;]
[17:06] <Riddell> yofel: what are you testing to and on what distro?
[17:06] <yofel> 4.8 on oneiric
[17:06] <Riddell> !testers
[17:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmmm, I cannot get newly set imap account retrieve mails, interesting
[17:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: nice thanks :)
[17:06] <Riddell> ok who wants to be on the testing ping?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upgrading on precise
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ~20 minutes
[17:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from a PPA?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I'm just setting up akonadi here and trying to configure kmail and kontact , so I'll report back in less then 30 mins
[17:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, imap issue seemed to be my mistake
[17:10] <Tm_T> so yeh, it alls seems to work just fine
[17:11] <Tm_T> silly Kontact bugging
[17:13] <Tm_T> ye, all is ok
[17:13] <soee> ok, reboot now
[17:17] <James147> Riddell: I can test the upgrade in my vm if you want
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from archives
[17:20] <soee> back
[17:22] <soee> all works fine, i just had to remove and connect again my mouse because i couldnt move cursor :)
[17:22] <Riddell> Tm_T: great
[17:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what did you test again?
[17:22] <Riddell> soee: not shadeslayer
[17:22] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:22] <soee> Riddell, upgrade to 4.8 oneiric
[17:23] <Riddell> soee: from what source, on what distro version..
[17:24] <soee> Riddell, ninja ppa, Kubuntu 11.10, kde 4.8 RC2 -> 4.8.0
[17:24] <Riddell> great thanks soee
[17:24] <soee> no problems during download or updates
[17:24] <Riddell> soee: tested kontact?
[17:25] <Riddell> James147: now we need the kubuntu-ppa/backports copy tested for oneiric, are you able?
[17:25] <soee> Riddell, well im using Thunderbird but have also contact, looks liek works fine
[17:25] <soee> *kontact
[17:26] <James147> sure
[17:26] <James147> Riddell: ^^
[17:27] <Riddell> soee: great thanks
[17:31] <Riddell> James147: great, that's the last step before we announce so let me know when it's done
[17:31] <James147> Riddell: what do you need me to do?
[17:32] <Riddell> James147: get a vm with oneiric kubuntu running, add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, dist-upgrade and install kde-full, reboot and check the programmes work
[17:33] <James147> kk
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Who is our in house PPC expert?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/4:4.2.81-0ubuntu1/+build/3105726
[17:37] <yofel> hm, kwin compositing got disabled after reboot on my eeePC
[17:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: There was an error on powerpc in the last cycle, I can't remember which package, maybe kdeutils that looked similar.
[17:38] <yofel> akonadi still talks nonsense about failing to fetch a resource collection
[17:38] <ScottK> You might hunt it up and see if the solution to it helps.
[17:39] <shadeslayer> looking
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I don't quite understand why it doesn't find that particular reference to the function
[17:40] <ScottK> The code is generated at build time and something is missed.
[17:40] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know but PPC isn't supported so ignore it
[17:42] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:42] <micahg> umm, it's community supported :P
[17:42] <Riddell> well right
[17:43] <shadeslayer> nothing in kdeutils
[17:44] <micahg> shadeslayer: try kdesdk
[17:44] <ScottK> Yeah, that's it.
[17:50] <yofel> Riddell: my kdepim summary: works fine if you use a fresh setup. If you have kde bug 259355 kmail (and kontact) doesn't work at all and ktimetracker still doesn't work standalone
[17:50] <Riddell> "Start in 21 hours" not looking good for new akonadi in kubuntu-ppa/updates
[17:51] <Riddell> yofel: ok we can mention that on our website release page I guess
[17:51] <Riddell> wgrant: can you pimp a PPA build?
[17:51] <yofel> well, that's nothing new
[17:51] <yofel> broken since 4.6
[17:53] <Riddell> right
[17:56] <James147> Riddell: has some problems with a previous failed upgrade :S but everything seems to be upgrading now
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  no luck with kmail setup , ISP email account not recognized due akonadi not responding quickly enough and the email server request times out ...tried different approaches but it's no use to me any . direct access with a web browser works for me . akonadi is defintely the encumberance there in my situation , and that terrible kwalletmanager contantly intereferes because my settings there won't stick. All else is working , checked all
[18:02] <BluesKaj> apps and kde 4.8 seems stable here.
[18:02] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:03] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ok thanks for helping, I think we have enough testers of akonadi so that's fine
[18:03] <koolhead17> hey Riddell
[18:03] <Riddell> all: koolhead17 here is offering to package owncloud but hasn't packaged before so needs guidance
[18:04] <Riddell> koolhead17: I'm busy with KDE just now so no time for me, you might have to wait until it's convenient for someone to help you
[18:04] <Riddell> koolhead17: but the first step is of course just to get the programme working as you normally would
[18:04] <koolhead17> Riddell: sounds perfect!!
[18:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Everything looks good on precise
[18:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from kubuntu-ninjas?
[18:05] <shadeslayer> from archive ...
[18:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh ok, there must be lots of it still to compile so keep upgrading
[18:06] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  good , iknow akonadi is important for some who require secure and flexible email , but being retired and merely a home user , fancy email and kontact etc isn't needed on my setup ,...any other problems will be reported
[18:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and looking out for things to click retry on would be good too
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we have a handy script for that iirc
[18:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which one?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> lemme see, one sec
[18:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-sc-build-status
[18:07] <yofel> that's totally outdated
[18:07] <shadeslayer> but ... it works?
[18:08] <yofel> its package list I mean
[18:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:08] <shadeslayer> I'll update it then
[18:09] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer
[18:21] <Riddell> ok akonadi compiled in kubuntu-ppa/backports, waiting for it to be published then I think I'll announce
[18:21] <Riddell> James147: where is your testing at?
[18:23] <James147> installing kubuntu-desktop/kde-full
[18:33] <Riddell> akonadi-backend-mysql is updated, we can publish!
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel could either of you run this : http://paste.kde.org/192770 : I'm on a very slow connection
[18:35] <yofel> just run it from my server?
[18:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: needs authentatication from launchpad
[18:36] <yofel> -.-
[18:36] <shadeslayer> I'mtrying to figure out why though
[18:36] <shadeslayer> launchpad = Launchpad.login_with('kubuntu-dev-tools KDE SC build watch', 'production', cachedir)
[18:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ask me to set up an ec2 for you?
[18:39] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesn't need a EC2 machine to run that :P
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Would probably be a epic waste of CPU Cycles
[18:42] <Riddell> well yeah but that's the nice thing about ec2,  it's ok to do that on it, you just shut it down when you're done
[18:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: anyway running
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel kubuntu-developers is the team that has upload rights to the archive right?
[18:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kubuntu-dev
[18:43] <shadeslayer> and where does one define the packageset to be associated with kubuntu-dev ?
[18:43] <Riddell> that I've no idea, it's cjwatsons speciality
[18:44] <shadeslayer> okay, I'll ask him, because if I can extract that list, I can just query the list from launchpad for kde-sc-build-status
[18:44] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.0 published
[18:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm it's not just kde-sc the package set includes
[18:45] <Riddell> better to get the list off ftp.kde.org
[18:45] <shadeslayer> hmm .. rename the script then?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-dev-packageset-build-status
[18:47] <yofel> there's some script to get that list on the kubuntu-dev wiki page
[18:47] <yofel> (bottom)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu Dev wiki page?
[18:49] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers
[18:49] <debfx> shadeslayer: there is already http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/#kubuntu
[18:50] <debfx> and http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm
[18:51] <shadeslayer> debfx: did you hand generate that list?
[18:51] <Riddell> James147: if you find problems do shout loudly because I've announced it now
[18:52] <debfx> shadeslayer: yes
[18:52] <James147> Riddell: sorry it took so long,
[18:52] <shadeslayer> debfx: ah, I wanted a way to just query launchpad for a list of packages under the kubuntu-dev team
[18:53] <James147> Inital boot and login seem fine
[18:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: meh, my list is shorter and better than the one that script returns
[18:54] <debfx> shadeslayer: well qa.ubuntuwrie.org lists all packages from the kubuntu packageset that ftbfs
[18:54] <yofel> well yeah, also that script doesn't catch the part in universe
[18:54] <yofel> *parts
[18:54] <shadeslayer> hmm .. good point ... should we remove kde-sc-build-status then?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> or should I just update it, and let it be
[18:55] <yofel> let it be, it has it's rare use cases
[18:55] <yofel> *its
[18:55] <shadeslayer> and update it with the new list?
[18:55] <yofel> yeah
[18:55] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:56] <yofel> ah, also don't forget to update the architectures, iirc it's missing armhf so it always drops one build
[18:57] <shadeslayer> fixored
[19:01] <CIA-114> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Rohan Garg * 134 * bin/kde-sc-build-status Update with new package set and new architecture armhf
[19:04] <James147> Riddell: cant see any problems here
[19:04] <soee> how does 12.04 works at current developement stage ?
[19:05] <Riddell> James147: awesome thanks so much
[19:06] <Riddell> James147: the whole packaging and testing an SC release is a slow process for sure
[19:06] <Riddell> soee: in general?  I've no idea not tried it
[19:06] <soee> :)
[19:07] <yofel> precise works fine on my T510 - there's no telling if it'll do that tomorrow too though
[19:07] <yofel> typical alpha
[19:07] <Riddell> afiestas tried a daily build yesterday and liked it
[19:07] <Riddell> soee: more daily build testers would be good so we know what's needed for alpha 2
[19:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where can I get your script?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> anyone testing HUD ?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: huh? kde-sc-build-status?
[19:08] <Riddell> BluesKaj: with KDE Software?
[19:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but where
[19:08] <shadeslayer> its in kubuntu-dev-tools/bin
[19:08] <Riddell> ok thanks
[19:08] <Riddell> I knew that
[19:08] <BluesKaj> apparently it's Qt compatible
[19:09] <shadeslayer> Then I don't understand  the question :P
[19:09] <Riddell> yes thank agateau_ for that, testers would be interesting
[19:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I mean I needed reminded, you have to be patient with my poor concust brain :)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah, still healing? what do the doctors say
[19:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: doctors can't do anything, it's just a long slow recovery I need, I feel I'm 95% there on the brain
[19:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so another 3 - 4 months?
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: totally impossible to say, it's an unpredictable thing, doctors said "give it 6 months" two months ago
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've been taking homeopathic tablets because the placaebo effect will help me as much as anything :)
[19:14] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Because placaebo's are much better than real medicine :P
[19:14] <micahg> homeopathy is more than placebo, but I guess that's getting way offtopic :)
[19:14] <Riddell> micahg: that'll give us a topic to discuss over beer at UDS :)
[19:15] <micahg> heh, sounds good to me :)
[19:17] <yofel> thanks X, get yourself killed when running out of mem even though there's 3G of swap left...
[19:17]  * micahg wonders if they added a trigger for when it gets to a certain amuont
[19:17] <micahg> *amouont
[19:17] <micahg> *amount :P
[19:18] <yofel> *shrug* (Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting)
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Conspiracy theorists unite!
[19:19] <Riddell> my computer did spontaniously reboot today, I wonder if it was the thing yofel has
[19:19] <yofel> and ofc apport didn't catch a thing - interetingly useless piece of software lately
[19:20] <micahg> yofel: do you have xdiagnose installeD?
[19:20] <yofel> yes
[19:22] <yofel> hm, I'm starting to like that unity-style task manager. If only the transparency effect wouldn't suck...
[19:23] <shadeslayer> uh oh, yofel's going over to the dark side
[19:24] <yofel> blame jussi :P
[19:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: got a working HUD?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: haven't had the time to try it out
[19:24] <shadeslayer> I'm behind on my RSS feeds and videos
[19:24]  * shadeslayer looks
[19:26] <Riddell> brave move at UI change, I'm curious if it's a) any good and b) works well with KDE apps
[19:26] <Riddell> a) will be an opinion only of course :)
[19:26]  * Riddell out
[19:27]  * yofel back to reading gtk3 docs
[19:27] <jussi> yofel: :D
[19:27] <yofel> s/reading/trying to read/
[19:28] <jussi> I love the icon only task manager - not only is it nice to use, it makes the desktop look better also
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: don't trust them, they break shit ever so often : http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/glib/gmacros.h?id=3fe710c0b59b881c7b4090601f8c1a33876af78d
[19:28] <Riddell> l10n uploading to backports PPA
[19:28] <jussi> shadeslayer: and we dont?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> jussi: just not as often as them
[19:28] <jussi> hehe
[19:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: me is working/trying to work on oxygen-gtk3. works fine, but finding out the supported ways to use it is a PITA
[19:29] <yofel> setting oxygen-gtk in ~/$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/gtk-3.0/settings.ini isn't very kde-only
[19:30] <yofel> s/~\// /
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yay, using dragon and playing a m4v makes X crash
[19:32] <shadeslayer> reproducable
[19:32] <m4v> I always do that.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> also, VLC crashes while trying to play as well
[19:33] <shadeslayer> gi._glib.GError: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/xdiagnose/icons/microscope.svg'
[19:33] <shadeslayer> yay
[19:37] <shadeslayer> okay, I'm off to sleep, nighters
[19:37] <yofel> gn
[19:42] <jussi> yofel: so apart fromthe transparency thing that I dont understand what it is, are there any other bugs youve come across?
[19:43] <jussi> Riddell: did you see my suggestion about icon only task manager by default?
[19:48] <apachepanda> jussi: is the icon only task manager not a fail of UX yet?
[19:48] <apachepanda> sheytan: you once pingged me
[19:48] <jussi> apachepanda: how was it a fail previously?
[19:48] <apachepanda> also I think I needed something from you at some point
[19:48] <sheytan> apachepanda: true, what was that thing to put on phonon site again?
[19:48] <apachepanda> jussi: it was a ripoff of windows' which is fail
[19:49] <apachepanda> sheytan: versions with links to download
[19:49] <apachepanda> like a box that like
[19:49] <apachepanda> phonon 4.6.0
[19:49] <apachepanda> phonon-gstreamer 4.5.blubb
[19:49] <sheytan> ok, got the idea :)
[19:49] <apachepanda> phonon-vlc zomg.0
[19:56] <jussi> apachepanda: I havent used windows for ages, so I dunno. I dont caare if its a ripoff if it works excellently
[19:58]  * sheytan has birthday today :)
[20:00] <apachepanda> jussi: it is about sanity of usage paradigms and the windows icon thing does not provide that, consequentially a direct ripoff also doesn't
[20:00] <apachepanda> and where is the bot
[20:01] <apachepanda> bot!
[20:01] <apachepanda> botty botty!
[20:01] <jussi> wot bot?
[20:01] <apachepanda> ah
[20:01] <apachepanda> kubotu: hi
[20:02] <apachepanda> sleepy bot went to bed early today, now I woke him up again
[20:02] <apachepanda> eval(me)
[20:02] <kubotu> hola apachepanda!
[20:02] <apachepanda> kubotu: u so nice
[20:02] <apachepanda> kubotu: order birthday package for sheytan
[20:02]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[20:02]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to sheytan and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[20:02] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday sheytan, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[20:02] <kubotu> Happy Birthday sheytan :D
[20:02] <kubotu> To your health!
[20:02] <apachepanda> score!
[20:03] <sheytan> Thank you very much :D
[20:03] <sheytan> apachepanda: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5710/base2g.png
[20:03]  * apachepanda has unbirthday today
[20:03] <sheytan> smthng like this?
[20:03] <sheytan> but you get a present too :D
[20:06] <sheytan> wait, got another idea, will show you soon
[20:07] <apachepanda> \o/ prn
[20:07] <apachepanda> kubotu: order unbirthday package
[20:07]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get an unbirthday present.
[20:07]  * kubotu slides an unbirthday cake and a present down the bar to apachepanda and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[20:07] <kubotu> Happy unbirthday to you, happy unbirthday to you, happy unbirthday apachepanda, happy unbirthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[20:07] <kubotu> Happy Unbirthday apachepanda :D
[20:07] <kubotu> To your unhealth!
[20:07] <apachepanda> win
[20:14] <yofel> happy birthday sheytan :)
[20:14] <sheytan> yofel thank you :)
[20:14] <yofel> and I actually *like* the win7 task manager
[20:15] <sheytan> who doesn't? ;d
[20:15] <yofel> even if the rest of the OS behaves wrong ^^
[20:16] <sheytan> means? ; d
[20:16] <yofel> has no bash, no xclipboard, ships IE, isn't buggy, ...
[20:19] <apachepanda> yofel: what is wrong with IE? :O
[20:20] <yofel> junk software, or did it get better lately?
[20:20] <yofel> not that I have access to a windows installation that actually has it installed
[20:21] <apachepanda> you can uninstall IE? :O
[20:21] <apachepanda> u wicked
[20:44] <debfx> Riddell: I think kdepim 4.8.0 is still missing in the archive
[20:48] <debfx> is this a BIC change? http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=marble.git&a=commitdiff&h=47e416ef6c98683af9e27d80d9ea547459d908a6
[20:50] <sheytan> hey
[20:50] <sheytan> just upgraded to 4.8
[20:50] <sheytan> taskbar is still the old one
[20:51] <sheytan> stuff behaves wired
[20:51] <sheytan> cant open folder view from panel ;/
[20:59] <BluesKaj> folderview also hides folders below the screenedge and behind the panel without a scroller to access
[21:01] <sheytan> confirmed
[21:04] <yofel> hm
[21:04] <sheytan> and fix deps issues please
[21:04] <yofel> with the kdm background now being grey-ish, should be make our plymouth theme a bit lighter?
[21:05] <sheytan> i had to uninstall icontasks to upgrade
[21:05] <yofel> sheytan: that's not a package provided by us, what's the package name?
[21:05] <sheytan> i know, but it wasn't the only deps problem ;)
[21:06]  * yofel does another test upgrade
[21:08] <sheytan> thank you
[21:08] <sheytan> can i hide other arch pkgs than mine?
[21:08] <yofel> where?
[21:09] <sheytan> apper lists all which makes it unreadable ;/
[21:09] <yofel> no idea about apper
[21:13] <sheytan> yofel did you build icon tasks?
[21:13] <sheytan> or someone else
[21:13] <sheytan> i'm looking for it, should be a part of kde workspace
[21:13] <yofel> we never made a package for it
[21:13] <yofel> it's now part of kde
[21:13] <sheytan> yep
[21:13] <sheytan> can someone make it?
[21:14] <sheytan> i thought it will replace the default taskmeneger in 4.8 ;/
[21:14] <sheytan> crap ;(
[21:14] <yofel> sheytan: if you tell me what the other package name is I can add a conflict
[21:14] <yofel> but I can't do that without knowing how the other package is called
[21:15] <sheytan> the old package was build by myself, i can maybe send it to you?
[21:15] <yofel> well, we can't do anything about locally built stuff
[21:16] <yofel> I know that someone had a popular package in a PPA
[21:16] <sheytan> i build it couse no one had it before. didnt know about ppa with it
[21:16] <yofel> sheytan: ah wait, you can't find it in 4.8? It's in plasma-widgets-addons
[21:17] <sheytan> installing now :)
[21:17] <sheytan> #kde helped
[21:19] <yofel> sheytan: hm, can't see any obvious dep issues in backports, got logs?
[21:20] <apachepanda> sheytan, yofel: I actually have a revised boot color stuffs here
[21:20] <apachepanda> also slow interwebs access for some reason
[21:20] <yofel> ah, nice
[21:21] <sheytan> yofel, not mine but same  issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/816984/
[21:21] <apachepanda> debfx: what change would be bic there?
[21:29] <apachepanda> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4
[21:29] <apachepanda> this one I think
[21:29] <apachepanda> though it might be prn
[21:31] <yofel> fine with me
[21:32] <apachepanda> plz be telling me if it is the right movie
[21:36] <yofel> looks right ^^
[21:37] <yofel> (seriously)
[21:48] <sheytan> apachepanda: me loves that plymouth, nice dell, ued to use one ;D
[22:00] <Blizzz> oh hay irc long time no see
[22:02] <Blizzz> tried to upgrade to kde 4.8 on oneiric, but there is a conflict with kdepim-kresources / kdepim-groupware. is it known already?
[22:28] <debfx> apachepanda: removed virtual methods I guess
[22:33] <apachepanda> I dont see where that happened?
[22:33] <apachepanda> private methods you mean?
[22:37] <apachepanda> debfx:
[22:46] <Blizzz> looks like removing  kdepim-groupware kdepim-wizards kdepim-kresources make it upgradable
[23:04] <Riddell> evening
[23:04] <Riddell> jussi: no what is icon only task manager?
[23:04] <Riddell> windows 7 style?
[23:09] <yofel> Riddell: unity style (plasma applet icontasks)
[23:09] <Riddell> what's the advantage?
[23:10] <yofel> dunno, behaves like unity
[23:11] <yofel> feels very much like sweet tasks or how that was called actually
[23:11] <Riddell> mm well I don't see an advantage I like having text to see what the button represents
[23:12] <Riddell> and icon, best of both worlds
[23:12] <Riddell> Blizzz: what's up?
[23:13] <Riddell> debfx: kdepim 4.8 uploaded to precise thanks
[23:13]  * yofel has that panel vertically and has icons only anyway
[23:13] <yofel> which makes it feel even more like unity
[23:13] <Blizzz> Riddell: i have had kdepim-groupware kdepim-wizards kdepim-kresources installed which blocked a clean upgrade to KDE 4.8. Obviosuly they are not needed any longer, since e.g. groupware calendars in korganizer work
[23:14] <Riddell> Blizzz: yes those are old, I wouldn't expect the upgrade to be blocked by it, how did you upgrade
[23:14] <Blizzz> Riddell: i removed them manually
[23:15] <Blizzz> there was an dependency issue with some libs
[23:15] <yofel> I think people are using 'upgrade' instead of 'dist-upgrade'
[23:15] <Blizzz> libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.4+git111222-0ubuntu0.1)
[23:16] <Blizzz> yofel: i did dist-upgrade ;)
[23:16] <yofel> hm, shouldn't block then
[23:16] <Riddell> yofel: hmm I guess the only answer to that is improve https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[23:16] <Blizzz> that was what was shown: kdepim-groupware: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.4+git111222-0ubuntu0.1) but 4:4.8.0a-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 is to be installed.
[23:16] <Riddell> which does need improving a lot
[23:16] <yofel> but then again, apt is weird
[23:17] <Riddell> maybe we need a replaces kdepim-groupware on something to tell apt it's not important any more
[23:19]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[23:19] <Blizzz> gn8 yofel
[23:20] <Blizzz> Riddell: isn't it a case that happens from time to time? that dependencies or packages goes obsolete?
[23:21] <Riddell> Blizzz: yes, but I'm not sure of the exact behaviour of apt in such a case
[23:21] <Riddell> and our testing didn't come across this
[23:24] <Blizzz> k. so at least we can document it somewhere? i guess it's possible that such constellations can appear again
[23:25] <Riddell> we can just put it on the web page
[23:29] <Riddell> Blizzz: how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.0
[23:31] <Blizzz> Riddell: good, maybe add "Possibly you need to remove them by hand." to make it more clear?
[23:32] <Riddell> hmm did oyu explicitly install one of the packages at some point maybe?
[23:32] <Riddell> that might explain why apt was reluctant to remove it
[23:34] <wgrant> Riddell: Which build?
[23:35] <Blizzz> Riddell: i do not remember that i did it
[23:35] <Blizzz> though my memory is not so well sometimes ;)
[23:36] <Riddell> wgrant: thanks but bigjools sorted it first :)
[23:36] <wgrant> Ah, k


[02:10] <Guest3010> hello!
[02:10] <Guest3010> I'm having a question trying to install Lubuntu 20.04 on Virtual Machine...
[02:10] <Guest3010> how much space should i reserve for lubuntu itself?
[02:13] <Guest3010> i connected by heips now...
[07:47] <freiheitsgrad> For completeness I answer my own question from yesterday regarding root folder access for a snap app (Freecad in my case). I needed to adjust the confinement level of the snap. Not sp linux-like, I deinstalled freecad and reinstalled it in devmode <$ sudo snap install freecad --devmode>. After that I could acces my NAS via /mnt. Have a great day!
[08:59] <guiverc> thanks freiheitsgrad for providing answer
[11:00] <Aison> hello, how do I disable the userlist on the login screen? I have many users (>100) and a list with thumbnail of each user is bad.
[11:05] <guiverc> what release?  https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.1/3.1.9/sddm_configuration.html is the lubuntu page for sddm configuration or the latest (20.10) release; if it doesn't do exactly what you want, using another DM maybe an option
[11:05] <guiverc> Aison, ^
[11:06] <Aison> 20.04
[11:06] <Aison> sorry
[11:06] <Aison> I already create a /etc/sddm.conf, but this file seems to be ignored
[11:11] <Aison> guiverc, is lightdm still supported?
[11:14] <guiverc> I believe xubuntu still use it; we don't test with it.  I recall testing a couple but only recall xdm as a suggested fix for one issue (I forget specifics as to my reason - actually I must have tested lightdm; https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/login-screen-flashes/1634/22 as I recommended it too)
[11:18] <Aison> Oh, I also had these screen login flashes, but I fixed this with changing some options for the intel graphics driver
[11:19] <guiverc> sorry, the flashes had nothing to do with it; it was pasted as I suggested replacing sddm with xdm or lightdm due to a nvidia bug that was problematic with sddm
[11:20] <guiverc> as I suggested lightdm; I would have tested it; being my point
[11:33] <Aison> it works with lightdm ;)
[12:31] <Newb101> Hi, is there a way to install will less than 8gb of memory, around 3gb
[12:31] <Newb101> ?
[12:31] <Newb101> *with
 Disk space or RAM?
[12:33] <Newb101> disk space
 I don't think it is posaible
[12:34] <Newb101> ok, what is the reason it needs 8gb?
[12:34] <apt-ghetto> All the packages, that will be installed: kernel, desktop environment, services
[12:35] <Newb101> so it's pretty much the same size as stock ubuntu then
[12:35] <Newb101> was light meant to refer to the RAM usage
[12:35] <Newb101> rather than disk space
[12:35] <apt-ghetto> Yes, Lubuntu is Ubuntu with a different desktop environment
[12:36] <apt-ghetto> Exactly, and it does not need 3D acceleration
[12:36] <Newb101> ah ok
[12:40] <Maik> pretty sure 3 GB of RAM will do, recommended is 4 GB of RAM
[12:45] <Newb101> 3gb  of disk space not RAM
[13:11] <tomreyn> Newb101: it's uncommon to be so limite din disk space, do you want to elaborate on your situation?
[13:13] <Maik> Newb101: default recommendation for disk space is 10 to 20 GB
[13:14] <Maik> 25 GB even at main Ubuntu
[13:14] <Maik> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[13:15] <kryten> I've always gotten away with <10 GB so far, but 3 GB.. wasn't even possible 15 years ago..
[13:17] <Maik> i think Newb101 is confusing things, first it's memory, then disk space, then RAm again and again disk space. I'm not sure anymore what to make of it
[13:19] <Maik> Simply put recommended is 20 to 25 GB disk space and 4GB of RAM. You can't get away with 8 or 3 GB of disk space or RAm these days.
[13:20] <Maik> *or less RAM these days
[13:25] <kryten> The 5.1 GB system plus 1.5 personal files I got right now would seem to disagree a little with you there.. >_>
 do you mean memory as RAM or memory as in disk storage space?  Minimum you'll need for on disk storage space is 10GB for room to work for updates, etc.  You can get by with 8 but you won't be able to do much in terms of extra packages or files.  Minimum RAM you'll need is 1GB of RAM for Lubuntu 20.04 to behave 'semi-decently' - but don't push it too hard.  2-4GB of RAM is my recommended minimum range of RAM nowadays for any DE (re @lu
 just to clarify things :P
 Bare Minumum RAM*
 16GB is as small as I'd recommend because that's what the RPi images require minimum for disk space to behave (and I'm working on them) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Maik> 25 GB even at main Ubuntu)
 Hi
 how can i download itunes?
 I see it done with this program but I can not download PlayOnLinux
 Can you help me
 please because I have an iPhone
[22:14] <Maik> @spiros554 itunes on linux is not possible
 https://youtu.be/sMawOPZVV0Q
 but i could not download it PlayOnLinux
 @lubuntu_bot
 how do i download this i want you to tell me PlayOnLinux ?
[22:20] <Maik> @spiros554 i never use playonlinux or wine for that matter. You have a video, follow that guide or search the web for other tutorials.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/c9628351/file_2317.jpg
 do you know why I get this?
[22:27] <kc2bez[m]> @spiros554 Something got interrupted during an update or install. You should follow the prompt.


[17:09] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[17:09] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[17:09] <pavlushka> zaki: how are you?
[17:10] <zaki> pavlushka, I'm good.
[17:11] <zaki> how about you?
[17:16] <pavlushka> i am having supper (not eligible for a dinner, not even on a dining table)
[17:16] <zaki> trying to design a logo
[17:17] <pavlushka> cool
[17:19] <zaki> pavlushka, not eligible !!
[17:22] <pavlushka> zaki: a dinner you have on a dining table with a course of food, like appetizer/starter, drinks, main dish and dessert.
[17:24] <zaki> lol. :D I'm a slow Lerner :3
[17:25] <pavlushka> I am both slow learner and slow eater
[17:57] <zaki> :D
[18:33] <pavlushka> zaki: are you trying to prove that you are slower?
[18:33] <zaki> he he
[18:36] <zaki> pavlushka, done anything with your new tools
[18:37] <pavlushka> zaki: waiting for some connectors that I ordered online to complete the builds.
[18:41] <pavlushka> zaki: check this out, https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%80:PavelSayekat
[19:01] <zaki> pavlushka, wow
[19:01] <pavlushka> heh
[19:02] <zaki> pavlushka, he he
[19:02] <zaki> really great :D
[19:02] <zaki> and
[19:02] <zaki> enjoy this
[19:02] <zaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk
[19:02] <u-la-la> [ Earth, Wind & Fire - September (Official Music Video) - YouTube ] - https://www.youtube.com
[19:11] <zaki> :D
[20:01] <zaki> good night pavlushka