[14:58] <Dimitree> i think jpatrick wants to ban me :)
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks : )
[14:58] <tekteen> hi
[14:59] <wily_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56217/
[14:59] <wily_> this is my problem with konqueror flas
[14:59] <wily_> this is my problem with konqueror flasflash*
[14:59] <Artimus> I'm looking for some examples of *good* but simple GUI firewalls.  I'm looking for ideas for a GUI mockup.
[14:59] <Dimitree> o well :) maby ill just go back to windows and stop dealing with such treatment :)
[14:59] <tekteen> wily_: konqueror + flash = bad
[15:00] <Artimus> Where'd the line in the topic go?
[15:00] <tekteen> wily_: I have not seen it working in a long time
[15:00] <Edulix> Artimus: have looked at windows firewalls? :P
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !flash | wily_
[15:00] <ubotu> wily_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[15:00] <Artimus> Edulix: That's horrible.
[15:00] <wily_> thanx
[15:01] <Edulix> Artimus: I mean, there are a lot of firwalls for windows hehe I'm sure you can copy one or two ideas from a bunch of horrible apps
[15:01] <tekteen> there is only one good firewall
[15:01] <llutz> Artimus: so called "hostbased firewalls" are pointless, so why wasting time with gui etc.?
[15:01] <tekteen> iptables
[15:01] <Artimus> Edulix: ZoneAlarm or anything like it is the completely wrong direction.
[15:01] <jpatrick> Artimus: I thought the fix was upload
[15:01] <jpatrick> !flashissue
[15:01] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If the update fails to install Flash, try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[15:02] <tekteen> WOW
[15:02] <tekteen> flash works!
[15:02] <Artimus> jpatrick: I'll try it, but I'm not hopeful...
[15:02] <tekteen> jpatrick: thanks
[15:02] <Artimus> tekteen: You just jynxed it
[15:02] <tekteen> sorry :-D
[15:02] <jpatrick> Artimus: feel free to add Summer of code ideas tho
[15:03] <Artimus> llutz: Well, Ubuntu thought it was worthwhile to create ufw for hardy (iptables frontend).
[15:03] <tekteen> That does not mean it is a good idea
[15:03] <llutz> Artimus: a lot of guys make that mistake :)
[15:04] <tekteen> firewall is a buzz word
[15:04] <Artimus> llutz: My box got hacked one time (my fault) and turned into a shoutcast server.  Default Deny is a good policy, imo.
[15:04] <llutz> building iptables-rulesets needs a lot of knowledge, not GUIs
[15:04] <tekteen> Ubuntu has to have an "easy to use" one
[15:04] <Artimus> Yes, but look at what 95% of the people use it for.
[15:05] <Artimus> NAT, ACCEPTED,RELATED -j ACCEPT, default block everything else, open up a port or two
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: it's security by obscurity, because they don't know what that piece of software does
[15:05] <tekteen> llutz: I agree. gui's make problems
[15:05] <Artimus> llutz: do you disagree with default deny?
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: they even cannot read/understand the logs
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: yes
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: my preferred way: configure services right, so no deny is needed
[15:06] <tekteen> Artimus: it is not needed on a desktop
[15:06]  * tekteen is a paranoid security geek
[15:06] <llutz> "to stop all services"
[15:06] <tekteen> I have one. but that was because I wanted to learn iptables
[15:06] <llutz> if possible
[15:07] <Artimus> And flash is still dead...  Darn
[15:08] <twosouls82> and when flash isn't dead it eats your cpu
[15:08] <Artimus> No, wait
[15:08] <Artimus> "Load Plugins On Demand" is dead
[15:08] <Artimus> If that's on, Flash applets will be a gray box
[15:08] <Artimus> I saw a bug about that somewhere...
[15:08] <tekteen> use lynx and you will not have a flash issue
[15:09] <Artimus> tekteen: Not helpful.
[15:09] <Artimus> (and I like elinks better...)
[15:09] <llutz> lynx bah, need more comfort, elinks
[15:09] <tekteen> sorry
[15:09] <tekteen> true
[15:09] <Artimus> I could just as easily use Konqueror with flash disabled
[15:09] <tekteen> but that is like me saying htop over top
[15:10] <tekteen> no one knows what it is
[15:10] <tekteen> more people know lynx
[15:10] <Artimus> Someone want to add that to the topic?  Load Plugins on Demand will break flash.  I'm not sure if that option is turned on by default
[15:10] <llutz> and ip instead of ifconfig/route etc.pp., things changes
[15:10] <tekteen> really?
[15:11] <tekteen> I need to look at that
[15:11] <tekteen> ipchains rules
[15:11] <llutz> in 2.6?
[15:11] <tekteen> joke :-D
[15:11] <tekteen> things change
[15:11] <Artimus> "Settings -> Konqueror -> Load Plugins On Demand Only" should be unchecked for now...  Darn.
[15:14] <CJari> hey
[15:15] <CJari> I'm running the kubuntu live CD inorder to use th qtparted but the program says my HD is busy, should it be unmounted or something?
[15:15] <tekteen> CJari: use the gparted live cd
[15:15] <tekteen> it is much better
[15:18] <Dimitree> !fag jpatrick
[15:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fag jpatrick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:18] <Dimitree> too bad :)
[15:18] <fena> dimitre
[15:18] <jpatrick> !coc > Dimitree
[15:18] <vlt> Hello. Since the recent big update for kde programs (example line from /var/log/aptitude: [UPGRADE] konqueror-nsplugins 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.3 -> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.4) nspluginviewer crashes every time. Any known solution?
[15:18] <CJari> tekteen : ok thanks but for now, this is the only CD i have
[15:19] <tekteen> CJari: is the drive mounted?
[15:19] <CJari> tekteen well umount says its not according to mtab
[15:19] <tekteen> pastebin the output of mount in the konsole
[15:19] <CJari> tekteen sorry I cannot because its on other PC
[15:19] <tekteen> ok
[15:20] <tekteen> try restarting the pc
[15:20] <ignoramus> hi all, I've got a stupid question: When I compile a program from sources, do I need to keep the source folder once the program's been installed, or can i delete it?
[15:20] <tekteen> then see if you have the some prob
[15:20] <tekteen> delete it
[15:20] <ignoramus> not needed at all?
[15:20] <tekteen> ignoramus: nope
[15:21] <ignoramus> thanks. easy enough :)
[15:21] <CJari> tekteen : ok thanks, I'll try that next
[15:24] <tdn> How do I list files inside an ISO cd image?
[15:24] <selckin> mount it?
[15:24] <_Angelus_> guys
[15:24] <_Angelus_> i installed ia32-java
[15:24] <tekteen> tdn: iso magic is a good gui
[15:24] <_Angelus_> to run frostwire
[15:25] <_Angelus_> but its still trying to use the 64bit version of java
[15:25] <_Angelus_> what can i do?
[15:25] <selckin> update-java-alternative
[15:25] <tdn> tekteen, ok. Thanks.
[15:25] <llutz> _Angelus_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[15:25] <sigma_1234> u need to change it manually
[15:25] <tdn> tekteen, hmm... What package? apt-cache search iso magic does not give anything.
[15:26] <sigma_1234> iso magic must be a script at kde-apps.org
[15:26] <tekteen> sudo apt-get install isomaster
[15:26] <tekteen> wrong name
[15:27] <tekteen> mixed it up with "image magik"
[15:27] <tdn> tekteen, ok.
[15:29] <_Angelus_> ok it worked now
[15:29] <_Angelus_> but i cannot type in frost wire
[15:29] <_Angelus_> i this a problem with java?
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> frostwire is a joke
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> so it's probably more a problem with it
[15:30] <ForgeAus> that in itself is funny
[15:31] <ForgeAus> um you can try either appollon and/or mldonkey
[15:31] <ForgeAus> (well kmldonkey)
[15:31] <ForgeAus> for p2p they're about my fav's
[15:31] <ForgeAus> since I still can't seem to get bittorrents at all
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Amule works ok ..mldonkey is bit of achore to set up portwise etc
[15:31] <Daisuke_Ido> soulseek
[15:32] <Daisuke_Ido> (nicotine)
[15:33] <senane> #kubuntu-fr
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> and of course there's bittorrent, and i can't understand people who, after a couple years now, still refuse to touch it
[15:34] <_Angelus_> Daisuke_Ido: why frostwire is a joke?
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> same reason limewire is
[15:34] <tekteen> Daisuke_Ido: I am still seeding the linuxmce. I have uploaded 20GB
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it's useless unless you have no desire for good quality
[15:35] <Daisuke_Ido> tekteen: then you're not in that list :P
[15:35]  * aleksanteri wonders why frostwire and limewire are jokes (well he doesn't use bittorrent but he has used limewire in the past)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> the donkey network has more sources than the torrentsites , but torrents tend to be much faster to DL
[15:35] <tekteen> BluesKaj: yep
[15:35] <aleksanteri> well anything that uses java is a joke, but don't know about limewire
[15:36] <tekteen> limewire is on over 30% of computers
[15:36] <hydrogen> It's likely faster for you to drive to the nearest store and buy what you are after
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> after waiting on several occasions for *more than a week* for something that should have had plenty of sources to download, i decided i didn't have the time to deal with it
[15:36] <hydrogen> to be honest
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> its users are selfish twits
[15:36] <hydrogen> heh
[15:37] <Daisuke_Ido> tekteen: let's see some BT client figures, i'm willing to bet it dwarfs 30%
[15:37] <BluesKaj> I use AMule as a backup if the torrent sites don't have what i'm looking for
[15:37] <tekteen> hydrogen: linuxmce can not be bought in a store
[15:37] <aleksanteri> oh well, i have ktorrent and i'm happy with it ;)
[15:37] <Daisuke_Ido> tekteen: but that's a torrent :)
[15:37] <tekteen> hydrogen: it has to be ordered online
[15:37] <tekteen> hydrogen: or torrent! which is faster
[15:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i think hydrogen was referring to the donkey network with his speed comment
[15:38] <tekteen> ok
[15:38] <tekteen> I have to agree
[15:38] <tekteen> torrent is the only good p2p when it comes to big files and speed
[15:41] <hydrogen> I was making a general statement with reguards to the common use of any p2p software
[15:41] <tekteen> hydrogen: you are wrong when it comes to bittorrent
[15:41] <hydrogen> nope
[15:41] <hydrogen> sure its used for good things
[15:41] <Daisuke_Ido> *potentially wrong
[15:48] <BluesKaj> tekteen, my only comment is : ahhh, the absolutism of youth :)
[15:54] <MsK`> hi
[15:55] <MsK`> is there a minimal install CD for kubuntu ? (like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD)
[15:55] <tekteen> what do you mean minimal?
[15:55] <tekteen> cli only?
[15:55] <tekteen> A non-live cd
[15:55] <tekteen> ?
[15:56] <MsK`> a <20MB cd, dunno what's on it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> minimal still involves a cd of somekind , even debian does :)
[15:57] <MsK`> "The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible."
[15:57] <Artimus> tekteen: Network install
[15:57] <Artimus> "The Minimal CD downloads packages from online archives at installation time instead of providing them on the install CD itself."
[15:57] <tekteen> I think it is called the mini.iso
[15:57] <MsK`> yup, but is there one for kubuntu ? I can't find it
[15:59] <tekteen> My guess is no
[15:59] <tekteen> you could get the mini.iso
[15:59] <tekteen> then change the preseed file
[15:59] <MsK`> the preseed file ?
[16:00] <tekteen> it is a file on the cd that tells it what to do
[16:00] <tekteen> it is a little complex
[16:00] <MsK`> hmm, ok so I have to modify the mini.iso then burn it right ?
[16:00] <tekteen> yeah
[16:00] <tekteen> but I do not think it is something most people can do
[16:01] <tekteen> the answer is no
[16:01] <tekteen> is the a reason you need it
[16:01] <tekteen> ?
[16:01] <MsK`> I have only one cdrw and it's 650MB, standard image doesn't fit in it...
[16:02] <MsK`> and a network install is so much better (direct upgrades...)
[16:02] <tekteen> ok
[16:02] <pag> MsK`, iirc you could install cli system from mini.iso and the apt-get kubuntu-dekstop
[16:02] <BluesKaj> MsK`, kubuntu contains the kde desktop.If you can find a minimal ubuntu cd then you could install kubuntu-desktop afterwards
[16:08] <MsK`> pag, i'll try it
[16:14] <alesan> hi... a friend of mine tryied to instal compiz-fusion and now... when you login the screen goes black foa a second and then return to kdm.
[16:14] <alesan> how can I colve this? I already uninstalled compiz from a failsafe session
[16:14] <alesan> solve
[16:19] <TH2O> salut
[16:22] <TH2O> >Salut
[16:23] <TH2O> Hello
[16:23] <slackl> hellop
[16:23] <slackl> lol hello
[16:23] <TH2O> lol
[16:23] <slackl> yeah i suck
[16:24] <slackl> cant even type hello right
[16:24] <slackl> anyone want to help me with cd dvd burning issues
[16:25] <slackl> ahh professional idlers
[16:25] <slackl> sorry to interrupt
[16:25] <ForgeAus> I'm not a professional
[16:25] <ForgeAus> hehe but I do idle at times
[16:25] <slackl> lol :)
[16:25] <ForgeAus> still I'm unlikely the person to ask about burning
[16:25] <ForgeAus> especially with *nix
[16:26] <slackl> at least i know there are real people in here
[16:26] <slackl> ForgeAus, good room to be idling in .. maybe you will learn by osmosis :)
[16:26] <TH2O> Sorry, I'm french, I don't speak good english
[16:27] <pag> slackl, it's hard to help you, if you don't tell the details...
[16:27] <slackl> np TH20 i speak bad french
[16:27] <slackl> the problem I am having is that i am getting permission errors on burning dvds and cds on 2 different boxes
[16:28] <slackl> one is gutsy ubuntu  and one is fiesty kubuntu
[16:28] <slackl> i have verified (as much as i know how) the permissions and they all look good
[16:28] <slackl> however when i try to burn it give me a sorry bout cho luck no burn for you one year
[16:29] <slackl> and i really want to burn something This Year!
[16:29] <slackl> 08 is feeling pretty good for me
[16:29] <LeeJunFan> slackl: is this the main user you created at startup time trying to burn?
[16:29] <slackl> LeeJunFan, yes it is
[16:30] <armoth> IDRINKYOURMILKSHAKE
[16:30] <slackl> and from the 777 permissions on the drive i figured i should be able to
[16:30] <slackl> I have some *nix experience but man this is driving me nuts
[16:31] <slackl> like the guy who walked into a bar with a steering wheel on his crotch :)
[16:31]  * ethan961 devours a thick chocolatey milkshake
[16:31] <slackl> ethan961, thanks .. that helps
[16:31] <slackl> :)
[16:32] <LeeJunFan> man that's odd, I've installed kubuntu on well over 80 machines and haven't seen that yet. You have it on 2 machines - first suggestion, don't bother with lotto tickets. :)
[16:32] <slackl> pag, any ideas>
[16:32] <slackl> ?
[16:33]  * ethan961 gives slackl a chocolate milkshake
[16:33] <slackl> LeeJunFan, .. thanks ill remember that
[16:33] <pag> slackl, the only one I have is related to groups, which otoh should be fine in Kubuntu..
[16:33] <slackl> ethan961, well that does make it better now :)
[16:33] <slackl> pag, yeah the groups look good
[16:34] <LeeJunFan> slackl: I take it this is a problem you've had for some time?
[16:34] <slackl> LeeJunFan, yes it is ever since the install
[16:34] <slackl> do you guys want output from something
[16:35] <pag> slackl, check Settings ->configure k3b -> devices
[16:35] <LeeJunFan> yeah, output form k3b when you try to burn, at the summary you should be able to have it show debug info.
[16:35] <slackl> LeeJunFan, on second
[16:36] <BluesKaj> slackl, I have to ask the obvious , did you install libdvdcss2, libk3b2-mp3,libxine1-ffmpeg, kubuntu-restricted-extras on the boxes ?
[16:36] <LeeJunFan> slackl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[16:36] <slackl> BluesKaj, i believe so
[16:37] <slackl> ok posted
[16:37] <LeeJunFan> slackl: also - this is with a data CD or music?
[16:37] <slackl> music cd and dvd copies
[16:37] <LeeJunFan> slackl: link?
[16:37] <slackl> BluesKaj, how can i check
[16:37] <slackl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56227/
[16:38] <cbr> my boot stalls for 5 seconds when initializing the kernel.. and dmesg also says exactly before setting the VT resolution there's a 9 second pause
[16:38] <cbr> the 5sec stall is when the cdrom/dvd drivers are loaded
[16:38] <BluesKaj> slackl,  use adept to check the installed pkges
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> cbr » probably detecting if there is a CD in the drive..
[16:39] <cbr> nosrednaekim: why should that stall the init process?
[16:39] <LeeJunFan> slackl: I see something that concerns me that I've never seen before in a drive descriptor: HP CD-Writer+ 9300 1.0b (/dev/hdc, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM] [Error] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96R, RAW/R96R]
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> cbr » dunno :) did you try booting with an without a CD?
[16:39] <slackl> BluesKaj, yeah they are there
[16:39] <LeeJunFan> [Error]
[16:40] <slackl> LeeJunFan, lol yeah i saw that too
[16:40] <LeeJunFan> maybe that's just error checking capability - but I just haven't ever seen it before. The other thing is /usr/bin/wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.
[16:40] <cbr> nosrednaekim: nope, the tray has always been empty.. it happened in debian too but some recent kernel cured it imo
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> cbr » ah... hmm, odd
[16:41] <LeeJunFan> slackl: I wonder - try ls -l /usr/bin/wodim and see what it tells you for permissions on that.
[16:41] <cbr> nosrednaekim: is there any way to see the raw output behind the kubuntu splash screen?
[16:41] <slackl> LeeJunFan, i will check
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> cbr » yeah, press e on the boot menu, erase "splash" and "quiet"
[16:42] <slackl> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-16 18:17 wodim
[16:42] <slackl> LeeJunFan -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-16 18:17 wodim
[16:42] <LeeJunFan> slackl: try this to suid root on wodim: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/wodim - then try to burn.
[16:43] <slackl> LeeJunFan, ok thanks give me a one sec
[16:45] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, what does "wodim" stand for ?
[16:46] <LeeJunFan>  write data to optical disk media
[16:46] <BluesKaj> thx
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> wodim is the burning program
[16:46] <swimmerino88> I have installed my kubuntu on my laptop...when I press the buttons for the volume,the max volume that I can reach is the 11%...why?
[16:46] <LeeJunFan> some screwed up abbreviation there.
[16:46] <slackl> LeeJunFan, cdrecord has returned an unknown error (254) sometimes using TAO resolves this issues.
[16:46] <slackl> i will try with TAO
[16:47] <LeeJunFan> slackl: burning audio cd's can introduce an entirely different set of problems, your best bet would be to try to get cd recording working first with data - then move on to audio.
[16:47] <slackl> LeeJunFan, ok i will try
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> swimmerino88 » that is a known bug, search launchpad for it, I think there is a fix
[16:48] <LeeJunFan> but since the error message changed I think we made progress :)
[16:48] <BluesKaj> swimmerino88, open alsamixer in the terminal and set your vol ctrls there.If they're muted (M) then use the mkey to unmute (00(
[16:49] <swimmerino88> BluesKaj the volume works...the only problem is that when i press the bottom i see only 11%
[16:50] <BluesKaj> bottom?
[16:50] <Jonty> what could be causing kde to quit back to kdm on 7.10? I'm using an imported .kde, could that be this issue?
[16:50] <slackl> LeeJunFan, looking good so far
[16:50] <slackl> LeeJunFan, and i spoke to soon :(
[16:50] <LeeJunFan> crap
[16:50] <LeeJunFan> owell, pastebin the output again I guess.
[16:51] <LeeJunFan> Are both of your machines the same? or at least do they have the same DVD drive?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » possibly, try moving your .kde to .kde-old
[16:51] <BluesKaj> swimmerino88, on some pcs/laptops the KB vol ctrls are pretty coarse, they step at 11% intervals , up or down
[16:51] <slackl> one more second trying different media
[16:51] <Powerking89670> is there a menu to modify what apps start at login or where is the config file(s) that handle this in KDE?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> !autostart
[16:51] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[16:51] <swimmerino88> BluesKaj ok!
[16:52] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I've just realised the copy of my home folder doesn't actually include hidden files. Whoops. Thanks anyway.
[16:52] <Powerking89670> yes, but adding them is not the issue, its stoping apps like kopete from doing it...and they dont have an entry...at least not that I can see
[16:52] <slackl> LeeJunFan, nope unable to fixate the disk...
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » so you do have a fresh .kde?
[16:52] <slackl> i will post output
[16:52] <LeeJunFan> slackl: hrm, that's different.
[16:53] <BluesKaj> swimmerino88, mine are like that too. Im afraid that's the best we can get on kubuntu unless you use you cursor
[16:53] <slackl> LeeJunFan, yeah it is
[16:53] <BluesKaj> err your cursor
[16:53] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: it would of course also help if /home/jadh wasn't owned by root :P
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> ah... there ya go...do you know the command to fix that?
[16:54] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: yes, cheers
[16:54] <slackl> LeeJunFan, pasted http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56230/
[16:54] <slackl> LeeJunFan, thanks for the help i have to roll my boy is calling
[16:54] <slackl> LeeJunFan, thanks for all the help
[16:54] <LeeJunFan> okay, good luck.
[16:56] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: and..it's working. Thanks
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » sweet, have fun.
[17:04] <BUGabundo> hy...
[17:04] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble with lattest update in hardy?
[17:04] <mario> hi
[17:04] <BUGabundo> on kmail or kontact?
[17:04] <LjL> !hardy | BUGabundo
[17:04] <ubotu> BUGabundo: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[17:04] <BUGabundo> don't you start that too, LjL
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I'm on #ubuntu+1, and they say the samethinbg
[17:05] <BUGabundo> plus me, there's hyper_ch having trouble with the latest updates...
[17:05] <BUGabundo> just want to check for common probs before going to LP
[17:06] <LjL> they say the same thing...?
[17:06] <Jonty> hmm. I'm using an imported .kde/ and pretty much the only thing that's come across is the icons. What can I do to use the rest?
[17:06] <LjL> i.e. they tell you to join #ubuntu+1 when you're already in #ubuntu+1?
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> you're on the channel for hardy, yet you come here to ask for help because they can't help you.
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that is absolutely ridiculous
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> as it says, this is PRE-BETA, you use it at your own risk
[17:07] <BUGabundo> Daisuke_ldo I came here, because it happens on kmail and kontact!!!!!!
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » how old was the version you were last using?
[17:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and not to mention: [If you] do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY
[17:08] <Jonty> I was using 3.5.7 and am now on... 3.5.8
[17:08] <Proud> hi guys. Is there any *easy* way to install drivers for Cannon LBP2900, perhaps some command from konsole?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I have everying uptodate and no depency prob, Daisuke_
[17:09] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: there can't have been a change from those two versions, can there?
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> it's still not a problem for here, i don't care if they are KDE apps
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> running hardy, the support chan is #ubuntu+1
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> that's it
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » shouldn't have been, were you previously using a different distro?
[17:11] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: yes
[17:11] <Jonty> gentoo
[17:12] <BUGabundo> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/192432
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> that could be it, I've found that sometimes settings don't travel well between distros, what settings are you missing?
[17:12] <catunda> hi
[17:13] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: everything in the taskbar, my desktop, my theme, pretty much everything bar what the icons are (they aren't even in the same place)
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> hey catunda
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » what about other apps settings? like Kmail accounts.
[17:13] <Jonty> well I know my firefox config hasn't travelled, but I'll check kde apps
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> BUGabundo: that's a bug in hardy
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> rather a bug in kmail under hardy
[17:14] <catunda> I want to switch to ISO-8859-1 in only one kconsole, just for edit one document by vim. I use locale-gen, unicode_stop and set LANG environment, but the characters of this document doesn't show correctly... :(
[17:14] <BUGabundo> I know Daisuke_Ido
[17:14] <BUGabundo> I'm using hardy
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> so...  why point it out here?
[17:15] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: amarok doesn't remember my devices
[17:15] <BUGabundo> but also using kontact/kmail
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> this is not the channel for hardy, period
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu+1 covers ubuntu amd kubuntu
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » thats odd, are you sure the whole home travelled across complete?
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> and*
[17:15] <BUGabundo> trrying to see if anyone else here is having trouble with it too, and if they use hardy
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> if they use hardy, they're probable getting support in #ubuntu+1 like they're supposed to
[17:15] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I'll retransfer it and make sure
[17:16] <BUGabundo> good buy Daisuke_Ido.... thanks so much for the lack of help and support!! your atitude is a shame....
[17:17] <BUGabundo>  case
[17:17] <Daisuke_Ido> nice attempt at trying to troll me, i'm trying to direct you to the proper support channel and explain that there is no support for hardy here, you're being a...
[17:17] <Daisuke_Ido> GAH!
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> Bleh, and he complains about YOUR attitude
[17:18] <bmk789> is there a file in /proc/acpi that can tell me how long my laptop has been running on battery?
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> bmk789 » not that I am aware of
[17:19] <bmk789> :\
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> you could write a script though...
[17:21] <Daisuke_Ido> just time elapsed from removal from ac power
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> where is that?
[17:21] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: ah yes, looks like it didn't copy enough last time, I thought it didn't take very long
[17:21] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, if you shut down while on battery power, charge while it's off, then reboot on battery power, it's going to be wrong
[17:21] <Daisuke_Ido> an unlikely scenario though
[17:22] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: no, i haven't seen that, that's just what the script would have to do
[17:22] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I'll have to remember to make sure they're not root owned as well...
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido » ah ok,
[17:26] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I've been wondering why only the icons transferred but of course that's Desktop, isn't it?
[17:26] <Jonty> not .kde
[17:30] <el_taco> what file do I modify to have an app load at startup
[17:30] <el_taco> start of xorg that is.
[17:31] <tremby> what might be grabbing keystrokes before keytouch gets its hands on them? kmail is opening when i press my "email" button, but i want to change this. i verified that it isn't khotkeys, and i've checked the shortcuts list in kcontrol
[17:31] <jhutchins> tremby: what does it open?
[17:32] <jhutchins> tremby: I mean, what does kmail say it's shortcut is?
[17:32] <tremby> kmail isn't even on the shortcuts list
[17:32] <tremby> but the kcontrol shortcuts list seems to be a frontend to khotkeys, which i've killed but the shortcut remains
[17:33] <tremby> there are some others too -- the volume buttons for example call kmix
[17:36] <Jonty> how would I do .* in bash without including .  and ..
[17:37] <steveire> anyone using kde4 stable?
[17:39] <jhutchins> steveire: No such thing from what I hear.
[17:39] <tremby> Jonty: try .[^\.]*
[17:40] <Jonty> cheers
[17:49] <beer> hello. I've enabled the driver for my ati radeon card in system settings > advanced > restricted drivers. all went well, installed etc. when i reboot though my system doesn't load. i'm running here off the live cd. my question is, how can i remove/disable the driver from here?
[17:50] <tremby> beer -- you shouldn't have to remove the driver from there. instead you can edit your xorg.conf file to start up using a simpler driver, such as vesa. then you should be able to get x started and do any fixing without need of the livecd
[17:52] <beer> tremby: ok. thanks.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> beer, tremby..there's another option most ppl don't think of . Instead of removing the graphics card driver or installing a proprietary one, take a look at the monitor driver , sometimes that's the culprit
[17:53] <PolitikerALT> does kubuntu hardy work fine on amd64?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> not all plugins are available for 64bit
[17:54] <PolitikerALT> is there a list which plugins are not availible?
[17:55] <BluesKaj> PolitikerALT, personally I reverted to 32 bit on my amd 64 pc due to those probs
[17:57] <PolitikerALT> mom - do you mean that plugins are missing compared to 32bit or compared to 64bit gutsy? The latter wouldn't be a problem because gutsy works rather fine for me
[17:57] <Seren> hi got a quick question
[17:57] <Seren> I can't unlock "kicker"
[17:57] <Seren> I tried dpkg-reconfigure
[17:57] <Seren> and removing kickerrc without success
[17:58] <Seren> anyone got an idea ?
[17:58] <Seren> ( if I right click on kicker and select "unlock panel" nothing happens )
[17:58] <Daisuke_Ido> PolitikerALT: unless you're running better than 4gb ram, 32-bit will work fine for yu
[17:58] <Daisuke_Ido> you*
[18:00] <PolitikerALT> sure - but: why having a 64-bit CPU and a 32-bit OS?
[18:01] <Daisuke_Ido> because 64-bit just isn't needed for 90% of home users yet
[18:02] <BluesKaj> PolitikerALT, it's an unfortunate reality that 64 bit in linux generally has little advantage over 32 speedwise and support in terms of apps that can take advantage of it
[18:02] <Daisuke_Ido> cpus went to 64 bit, but that doesn't mean that you have to jump straight to the new OS...  there are still issues, and while you CAN use the 64-bit OS, if you weigh the headache of getting common things working to the minimal (if any) performance increase, you'll likely find you're better off with the 32 bit version
[18:03] <beer> i'm trying to access my kubuntu hard drive while running off this live cd, i'm getting 'hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999' though. how do i mount it. i believe its /dev/sda6.
[18:04] <PolitikerALT> Currently I have no issues except not being able to hibernate - I just want to know if I should wait for upgrading my gutsy to 64-bit or not (because there was an 64-bit bug - you could not boot)
[18:05] <jhutchins> beer: How are you trying to mount it?
[18:05] <Daisuke_Ido> PolitikerALT: as i said.  it's a pain getting flash, java, etc etc working.  if you don't use those things or don't mind a little frustrated screaming while you're trying to get them all working properly, go ahead and upgrade.  if you would prefer to keep your sanity and your hair, stick with 32-bit
[18:06] <jhutchins> Basically if you actually need 64b you'll know.
[18:06]  * BluesKaj has "some" hair left
[18:06] <NickPresta> PolitikerALT, make a chart. Compare the benefits and the drawbacks of a 64-bit system.
[18:07] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[18:08] <beer> jhutchins right click on its icon and mount
[18:09] <beer> is there a command i could use ?
[18:10] <nick_> one of the biggest benefits if 64 is more memory........... so if you want 8 gigs of memory go 64...........
[18:10] <slow-motion> hi
[18:11] <Daisuke_Ido> -biggest +only
[18:12] <PolitikerNEU> I'm sure I won't need more than 2 GB of ram and I know 32-bit may be better. But all I want to know is if the 64-bit bug in Hardy is fixed or not because 64-bit Gutsy works fine for me (Don't need flash; had no problems with java)
[18:13] <ubuntu_> Kakogo hera y menya Konqueror v Live-sessii v set, ne vuhodit a???
[18:15] <beer> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/ yay
[18:17] <BluesKaj> !ua | ubuntu_
[18:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ua - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:17] <BluesKaj> !ru | ubuntu_
[18:17] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[18:18] <ubuntu_> Niche sebe...
[18:18] <ubuntu_> A na rysskom spet, magesh??
[18:19] <Seren> (no one got an idea on resetting kicker ? )
[18:20] <Jahromeo> i need help my installer is stuck
[18:20] <prince_jammys> Seren: alt-f2 and:   killall kicker;kicker
[18:21] <Seren> already tried that I still can't unlock it
[18:21] <Jahromeo> stuck on 82% on "Scanning the mirror..." - but no net connection on that pc - its been like that for almost and hour now - any advice - installing off cd kubuntu sent me
[18:21] <Seren> I think something is corrupted in the configuration file but I already remove the kickerrc
[18:22] <Jahromeo> im stuck with install - its on 82% on "Scanning the mirror..." - but no net connection on that pc - its been like that for almost and hour now - any advice - installing off cd kubuntu sent me
[18:23] <Seren> jahromeo > you can try to install with the alternate Live CD
[18:23] <rufus_> what do I have to download to add themes from kde-look.org to my computer?
[18:23] <Jahromeo> its not the install thats broken
[18:23] <Jahromeo> it seems to keep trying to connect to the net
[18:24] <rufus_> dekorator or something?
[18:24] <ForgeAus> rufus not much just don't use konqueror to grab them (afaik)
[18:24] <ForgeAus> wait compiz themes?
[18:24] <Jahromeo> it is networked to this machine so i can probably try set it up
[18:24] <rufus_> how do I apply gtk themes
[18:24] <Jahromeo> what can i do to open network settings as root?
[18:24] <Jahromeo> what would command be to run?
[18:24] <ForgeAus> gtk themes you should already have um I forgot how to get the gtk+ theme icon in kcontrol tho
[18:24] <Seren> Jahromea > I don't know but I have a vague recollection that some people have already reported this problem somewhere ( not very helpful I know )
[18:25] <rufus_> compiz themes need compiz and emerald
[18:25] <Jahromeo> seren what would command be to run network in root
[18:25] <Jahromeo> i want to setup a new network connection without killed install
[18:25] <Seren> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:25] <Jahromeo> will it kill my install? or just open networking box?
[18:25] <Seren> it might work but I am not 100% sure
[18:26] <Seren> no idea
[18:26] <unagi> muahaha
[18:26] <unagi> yea so anyone have kopete crash alot?
[18:28] <Jahromeo> hehe disabling my network connection stopped the installer hanging at trying to find net access
[18:28] <Jahromeo> nice
[18:28] <BluesKaj> unagi, for IMs or IRC  ?
[18:28] <unagi> ims, but it crashes when trying to set up msn or devices
[18:29] <Jahromeo> if i was do to an apt-get update - and im using 7.10 would there actually be anything to update?
[18:29] <BluesKaj> for IMs I noticed it's a bit unstable
[18:29] <unagi> im just trying to find a way to use my webcam
[18:29] <rufus_> what do i use dekorator for?
[18:30] <ForgeAus> isn't dekorator a compiz plugin for themes?
[18:30] <Jahromeo> can someone give me the restricted repo for kubuntu please
[18:30] <ForgeAus> like beryl
[18:30] <rufus_> !compiz
[18:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:30] <Jahromeo> !restricted
[18:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:30] <ForgeAus> erm I mean like aquamarine was for beryl
[18:31] <ForgeAus> no its a kwin style apparently
[18:31] <rufus_> !dekorator
[18:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dekorator - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:32] <ForgeAus> like plastik and baghira, etc
[18:33] <ForgeAus> mods the boarders of windows and title bars and prolly taskbar, perhaps some icons and stuff
[18:33] <rufus_> how do I get it?
[18:33] <jussi01> Jahromeo: what are you after in particular?
[18:33] <ForgeAus> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31447
[18:33] <Jahromeo> skype etc
[18:33] <Jahromeo> which would me medibuntu right?
[18:33] <ForgeAus> there will have a link
[18:33] <ForgeAus> wait bad link
[18:33] <jussi01> Jahromeo: yeah
[18:34] <rufus_> how do i install dekorator? its not in a repository
[18:34] <jussi01> !medibuntu > Jahromeo
[18:34] <Jahromeo> thanks
[18:34] <ForgeAus> yes rufus but if you can get a .deb for it you can use dpkg
[18:34] <ForgeAus> or rightclick install action in konqueror
[18:35] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, open your sources'list and uncomment the repos with # at the beginning by deleting the # and saving the file , afterwards do a sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[18:35] <ForgeAus> just that using konqeror to link to a download directly from kde-look.org may not work (unless they've fixed it)
[18:35] <jussi01> !find dekorator
[18:35] <ubotu> Found: kwin-style-dekorator
[18:35] <jussi01> rufus_: ^ is that it?
[18:35] <ForgeAus> yup that's it
[18:35] <rufus_> ill try
[18:35] <Jahromeo> blues gimme a sec just setup linux box to share internet
[18:35] <Jahromeo> logging on that
[18:36] <Jahromeo> ok blues im here
[18:36] <Jahromeo> can you repeat that please
[18:36] <rufus_> how do I add a window decoration while im running compiz? i installed and ran it, now I have no titlebars
[18:36] <Jahromeo> about changing list to include medibuntu
[18:37] <Jahromeo> where the heck is synaptic on thjis box
[18:37] <hitmanWilly> rufus_, alt-f2, then run emerald --replace
[18:38] <Jahromeo> any reason why adept takes so long to open?
[18:38] <Jahromeo> turning and turning
[18:38] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, you can go to the medibuntu site and copy the repos to your sources list
[18:38] <hitmanWilly> rufus_, that should enable window decoration
[18:38] <ibou> i don't want to have korganizer deamon launched each time i start kontakt. Is it possible ?
[18:38] <rufus_> k
[18:38] <Jahromeo> if i got get adept to open it would be cool - just hourglass shows loading does nothing and quits
[18:39] <sigma_1234> ibou i dnt tink dats possible
[18:39] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, try running sudo apt-get update in a terminal and see what it does
[18:39] <sui> nabend
[18:39] <Jahromeo> yeah i was just bout to do that
[18:40] <sui> oh, i mean "hi":)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, alt+F2 , kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list ...add the medibuntu deb repos address if you wish but , uncommenting the existing debs might do the trick as well
[18:40] <Jahromeo> trying to read from cdrom
[18:40] <ibou> sigma_1234: ok
[18:40] <Jahromeo> blue/hitman adept is trying to read off cdrom
[18:40] <Jahromeo> hence it wont open
[18:40] <Jahromeo> how do i change path?
[18:40] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, ah, ok, pull the cdrom out of sources.list
[18:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:40] <Jahromeo> path?
[18:41] <Jahromeo> path for sources.list?
[18:41] <hitmanWilly> /etc/ap/sources.list
[18:41] <BluesKaj> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in the runbox
[18:41] <hitmanWilly> /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:42] <BluesKaj> BBL, errands to do
[18:42] <Jahromeo> ta
[18:42] <Jahromeo>  Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[18:42] <Jahromeo> #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted
[18:42] <Jahromeo> ewww
[18:43] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, yeah, you will want to uncomment that one
[18:43] <Jahromeo> theyre all like thaT?
[18:43] <hitmanWilly> security is kind of important :)
[18:43] <Jahromeo> can i just delete em?
[18:43] <Jahromeo> its caus install bombd with sources then i disabled network and it continued
[18:44] <Jahromeo> can i maybe do a pastebin.com and you can show me what i have to delete?
[18:44] <Jahromeo> caus im really not sured
[18:44] <sigma_1234> commenting out is kinda the same as deleting
[18:44] <hitmanWilly> sure, I'll take a look
[18:45] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[18:46] <Jahromeo> k sticking file on pastebin
[18:46] <hitmanWilly> usually make uninstall will do the trick with compiled apps
[18:46] <Jahromeo> k back got dc
[18:46] <hitmanWilly> cool
[18:47] <Jahromeo> is this irc.freenode.net?
[18:47] <hitmanWilly> yup
[18:47] <mefisto__> hitmanWilly: usually?
[18:48] <Jahromeo> http://pastebin.com/m48f0a6db - hitmanwilly/sigma
[18:48] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, it depends on how the make script is set up.
[18:48] <Jahromeo> my sources.lst
[18:48] <sigma_1234> in linux theres always more than one way to do something
[18:49] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, ok, looking at it now
[18:49] <Jahromeo> thanks could you edit it and put link up on pastebin for me
[18:50] <Jahromeo> so i can just ctrl c into file and resave
[18:50] <Jahromeo> just got off pclinux so this is a bit diff
[18:51] <Jahromeo> is there any diff between ubuntu/kubuntu other than gnome/kde?
[18:51] <mefisto__> would reinstalling the ati driver from repos take me back to my current driver?
[18:51] <Jahromeo> like anything that runs on ubuntu must run on kubuntu - barring diff de ofcourse
[18:52] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, http://rafb.net/p/jJht1U49.html
[18:53] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, set it up like that, and it should fix the problem
[18:53] <Jahromeo> thanks hitman
[18:53] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, every one of your repos was commented out, except the CD
[18:53] <Jahromeo> explain how the commenting / uncomennting works plz
[18:54] <Jahromeo> not quite sure what i was allowed to edit
[18:54] <hitmanWilly> any line with # in front of it will be ignored by the system
[18:54] <Jonty> how do I stop apt tryint to use the cd?
[18:54] <Jonty> oh it's ok got it
[18:55] <hitmanWilly> so you can put human readable text, or remove lines without deleting them
[18:55] <Jahromeo> ahh thanks hitman
[18:55] <Jahromeo> get it now
[18:55] <Jahromeo> hmmm its still not starting let me see what apt-get update does
[18:55] <hitmanWilly> its a good tecnique for troubleshooting config files
[18:56] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, can you pastebin the output of apt-get update, please?
[18:56] <Jahromeo>  Type 'Pasted' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:56] <Jahromeo> rofl
[18:56] <hitmanWilly> lol, hold on
[18:56] <Jahromeo> ctrl A is bad
[18:56] <Jahromeo> nevermind
[18:56] <Jahromeo>  i did ctrl a and it took the url page header too
[18:57] <hitmanWilly> lol
[18:57] <hitmanWilly> yeah, you have to watch when pulling stuff from pastebins
[18:57] <Jahromeo> is add/remove programs same as adept?
[18:58] <hitmanWilly> its actually part of it
[18:58] <Jahromeo> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[18:58] <Jahromeo> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[18:58] <hitmanWilly> did you sudo?
[18:58] <Jahromeo> nope nm
[18:59] <mefisto__> so for "make uninstall" to work, there should be a file named uninstall?
[18:59] <Jahromeo> fixed
[18:59] <Jahromeo> thanks
[18:59] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, not necessarily
[19:00] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, what I would suggest, if you want to go the compiling route, is to uninstall the current drivers before compiling
[19:00] <Jahromeo> apt get-update
[19:00] <Jahromeo> how much could that be dling?
[19:00] <rufus_> !find dekorator
[19:00] <ubotu> Found: kwin-style-dekorator
[19:00] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, then, you SHOULD be able to just reinstall the regular ones over the compiled ones
[19:01] <sigma_1234> depends on how out of date your stuff is
[19:01] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, just the package lists
[19:01] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, apt-get dist-upgrade is what will download the actual packages
[19:01] <Jahromeo> taking a while
[19:01] <sigma_1234> my bad
[19:01] <Jahromeo> ahh k in pclinux apt-get update updates full system
[19:01] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, not in buntu
[19:02] <Jahromeo> will i need to do apt-get dist-upgrade only when 7.1x comes out?
[19:02] <sigma_1234> how fast is your internet connection?
[19:02] <Jahromeo> or before?
[19:02] <Jahromeo> 384kbs :(
[19:02] <mefisto__> hitmanWilly: why uninstall first? would not reinstalling the regular ati driver just overwrite the patched one anyway?
[19:02] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, it probably has to download the full pkg lists, since your system hasn't been updated in a while
[19:03] <sigma_1234> you mean when 8.04 comes out :)
[19:03] <Jahromeo> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[19:03] <Jahromeo> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[19:03] <Jahromeo> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[19:03] <Jahromeo>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[19:03] <Jahromeo> It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
[19:03] <Jahromeo> You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files.
[19:03] <Jahromeo> You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover
[19:03] <Jahromeo> data from undamaged sections of corrupted files.
[19:03] <Jahromeo> Err http://za.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[19:03] <Jahromeo>   Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:03] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, woah...
[19:04] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, that was with sudo?
[19:04] <sigma_1234> are you in south africa?
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Fetched 7696kB in 4m52s (26.3kB/s)
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Reading package lists... Done
[19:04] <Jahromeo> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[19:04] <Jahromeo> yeah
[19:04] <Jahromeo> i am in south africa - cape town
[19:04] <Jahromeo> failed on 2 packages
[19:04] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, you may just want to completely regen your sources.list
[19:05] <Jahromeo> how do i do that?
[19:05] <hitmanWilly> !sources.list
[19:05] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:05] <sigma_1234> well theres the problem right there. telkoms service is so crap its probably timing out and corrupting the files
[19:05] <hitmanWilly> crap, what's the link for easy source
[19:05] <Jahromeo> heh sigma in za?
[19:06] <Jahromeo> im going to need to hit up local repos like leg.uct.ac.za and such
[19:06] <Jahromeo> int bandwidth expensive :(
[19:06] <hitmanWilly> lol
[19:06] <sigma_1234> yup. im also from sa - durban
[19:06] <hitmanWilly> yeah, sounds like corrupted files on download
[19:06] <Jahromeo> my adept wont even open tho
[19:06] <Jahromeo> hourglass spins a few times
[19:06] <Jahromeo> then it just quits no error anything
[19:07] <mefisto__> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[19:07] <Jahromeo> sigma care to give me your sources list?
[19:07] <sigma_1234> i ran that update on a clients adsl a while back. worked fine but his line didnt time out
[19:07] <hitmanWilly> yeah, that's the link I was looking for
[19:07] <hitmanWilly> don't know if it generates for specific locales, tho
[19:08] <Jahromeo> Helaas, de door U gevraagde pagina kon niet worden gevonden.
[19:08] <Jahromeo>  Sorry, the page you requested could not be found.
[19:08] <sigma_1234> im not on my pc. using my phone. but i dont use sources.lst. i install everyting manually
[19:08] <Jahromeo> snore too much foir a noob that is
[19:08] <Jahromeo> i struggled myt ass off just to compile kiba-dock
[19:08] <hitmanWilly> hmm, same here...page might be down
[19:09] <Jahromeo> least i can read dutch
[19:09] <Jahromeo> so thats ok:P
[19:09] <sigma_1234> you should get the dvd repo set from the uct freedom toaster
[19:09] <Jahromeo> thats a mission i wanna play with my box now :P
[19:09] <hitmanWilly> yeah, probably a better idea
[19:10] <hitmanWilly> depending on how crappy your connection is
[19:10] <Jahromeo> can someone share their sources.list
[19:10] <Jahromeo> so i can atleast get into adept
[19:10] <Jahromeo> so that i can force it to use za repos
[19:10] <Lynoure> !source-o-matic
[19:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[19:10] <Lynoure> oh, pity.
[19:10] <hitmanWilly> wow, when did that change...
[19:11] <Jahromeo> where is that?
[19:12] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, well, i'm posting from my gentoo box, and the sources.list on my buntu one is all set up for us archives
[19:12] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: sure, http://pastebin.com/m3901501f
[19:12] <sigma_1234> that info is wrong. software sources is in adept
[19:12] <Jahromeo> i just need to force synaptic to boot
[19:12] <Jahromeo> so i can do something
[19:12] <Jahromeo> if i can get in adept i can make it dl new list
[19:12] <timmy> hey how fo i open pdf on kubuntu
[19:13] <hitmanWilly> !info kpdf
[19:13] <ubotu> kpdf (source: kdegraphics): PDF viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 336 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[19:13] <hitmanWilly> timmy, that ^^
[19:13] <Jahromeo> thanks lynoure
[19:13] <timmy> hitmanWilly: what, its my second day on kubuntu se me as i dont now a shit
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yeah Jahromeo , just 'x" all the sources listed in the manage repositories tab
[19:14] <Jahromeo> adept still doesnt start
[19:14] <Jahromeo> this is bloody weird
[19:14] <BluesKaj> and 3rd party software too
[19:14] <Jahromeo> even with lynoures source list
[19:14] <Jahromeo> it wont go
[19:14] <hitmanWilly> timmy, i wasn't trying to insult you, do you need help installing it?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, install synaptic in the konsole
[19:14] <snarkster> hey you could watch the language tho
[19:15] <sigma_1234> isnt kpdf installed by default?
[19:15] <Jahromeo> im trying apt-get update again
[19:15] <hitmanWilly> nope, optional repo IIRC
[19:15] <Jahromeo> if not ill try that hitman
[19:15] <Jahromeo> is compiz install by default or?
[19:15] <sigma_1234> Jahromeo: perhaps you should try reinstalling kubuntu
[19:15] <Jahromeo> compiz fusion
[19:15] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, no
[19:15] <Jahromeo> pffft im not reinstalling for 1 thing
[19:16] <sigma_1234> !compiz
[19:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:16] <Jahromeo> half the fun is pulling me hair out , cussing and fixing it myself so i learn :P
[19:16] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, and it can be a pain to set up
[19:16] <Jahromeo> i got compiz to work on my pclinux box
[19:16] <Jahromeo> ./j #compiz-fusion so far theyve been the most helpful channel on freenode
[19:16] <hitmanWilly> cool
[19:16] <sigma_1234> compiz aint that grand in kde
[19:17] <Jahromeo> ghostcube is good with ubuntu as well so any queries even if its not compiz and trhey help :)
[19:17] <hitmanWilly> nice in XFCE tho :)
[19:17] <Jahromeo> you guys are still better than pclinux for helping :)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> well, maybe gnome being kinda ugly makes ppl want to install eyecandy
[19:17] <Jahromeo> its dling 7mb again, after that if no go ill restart - if no go - rebuild synaptic
[19:18] <Jahromeo> i saw neotel laying cable in claremont in cpt the other day  - sigma :)
[19:18] <Jahromeo> never used xcfe
[19:18] <Jahromeo> only gnome and kde for me
[19:19] <Alex135> Anyone know how to get my mic working properly? I have a SupremeFX Sound Card
[19:19] <sigma_1234> yeah i heard about their call rates. looks pretty good. wonder how much the net access will cost
[19:19] <hitmanWilly> meh, I play around with new and different stuff a lot
[19:19] <hitmanWilly> window maker is still my favorite WM so far, tho
[19:19] <Jahromeo> probably too much and its cdma
[19:20] <whabo>  i need help please .. how to you scan for existing wireless networks around you .. instead of typing everything manually??? thank you ( in xubuntu) because i cant seem to find my network) can anyone shed some light?
[19:20] <Jahromeo> It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
[19:20] <Jahromeo> You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files.
[19:20] <Jahromeo> You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover
[19:20] <Jahromeo> data from undamaged sections of corrupted files.
[19:20] <sigma_1234> they'll be using that new undersea cable
[19:20] <Jahromeo> same eror with his repos grrr :(
[19:21] <Alex135> How do i get my Microphone input to work?
[19:21] <Jahromeo> www.myadsl.co.za <3
[19:21] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: my "his" you meant mine?
[19:22] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: try  sudo apt-get clean  between, just in case
[19:22] <sigma_1234> alex: fiddle with kmix
[19:22] <sigma_1234> that worked for me
[19:22] <Alex135> sigma_1234: ben there, done that, i have a SupremeFX Sound card, and from what i have been reading that thing doesn't work right with linux  yet
[19:23] <hitmanWilly> well, I'm out, need to go pick up some blank CDs
[19:23] <Jahromeo> ok how do i remove synaptic/adept whatecer its calld
[19:23] <Jahromeo> and reinstall
[19:23] <hitmanWilly> later folks
[19:23] <Jahromeo> yeah lynoure yours :P
[19:24] <sigma_1234> alex: if its not supported moving to linux aint the best idea. how new is the card model?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Alex135, alsamixer in the konsole and unmute the vol ctrls with the M key
[19:25] <Alex135> sigma_1234: dunno, it came with my Asus Crosshair MB
[19:25] <Alex135> BluesKaj: 1 sec
[19:25] <Jahromeo> how do i uninstall/install synaptic via console in kubuntu?
[19:26] <Jahromeo> or adept if they are diff packages
[19:26] <Alex135> BluesKaj: which one... there are 2 for my mic
[19:26] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, sudo apt-get install filename
[19:26] <ForgeAus> jah apt-get install (or remove) packagename
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Alex135, unmute both, it won't hurt anything :)
[19:27] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: I get confused easily, especially when called "he" :)
[19:27] <Jahromeo> so you're a she then :P ?
[19:27] <Jahromeo> how do i remove adept
[19:27] <Jahromeo> @bluesky
[19:27] <Jahromeo> blueskaj even
[19:27] <ubuntu_> hi all ppl
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, yes she is
[19:27] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get remove adept
[19:27] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: Yes :)
[19:27] <ForgeAus> although I think adept comes in several parts)
[19:28] <Alex135> BluesKaj: how do i tell if its muted or not???
[19:28] <Alex135> BluesKaj: if there is a mm by it?
[19:28] <ForgeAus> you may need to check what the package name of the parts are
[19:28] <ForgeAus> !adept
[19:28] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[19:28] <BluesKaj> Alex135, yes
[19:28] <ubuntu_> how to change nickaname :P?
[19:28] <Jahromeo> one of few i suppose lynoure
[19:28] <BluesKaj> unmuted  has 00
[19:28] <Lynoure> ubuntu_: just type /nick yournewnickhere
[19:29] <mefisto__> uninstall these: adept-manager, adept-installer, adept-updater, adept-notifier, adept-batch
[19:29] <Alex135> k... ill see if it works..
[19:29] <Jahromeo> that link is hardly useful if i cant get into adept forgeaus
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Alex135, the vol ctrls are best set at about 71%
[19:29] <Jahromeo> it wont open
[19:30] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: If you try to start adept with   kdesu adept   on the command line, any errors?
[19:30] <Alex135> BluesKaj: which capture device would i have it set to use?
[19:30] <Jahromeo> how do you remove via console?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, it's not adviseable to remove adept ,it's the default GUI pkg manager in kubuntu
[19:30] <Jahromeo> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 17 20:30:18 2008
[19:31] <Jahromeo> if i do kdesu adept - lyn
[19:31] <Jahromeo> well i cant get into it blueskaj
[19:31] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: ah, that could be the cause then.
[19:31] <Jahromeo> my date according to system tray is correct
[19:31] <Jahromeo> how is adept picking up 1 day ahead of schedule eh
[19:31] <Jahromeo> and how can i change it
[19:31] <Alex135> BluesKaj, which capture device would i have it set to use?
[19:31] <mefisto__> Jahromeo: does it not start at all, or you get an error message?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> Alex135, there should be a vol ctrl for mic
[19:32] <Jahromeo> does not start at all , hourglass turns - then it just dissapears from taskbar - if i do kdesu adept - i get - sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 17 20:30:18 2008
  PCM      Front   Front Li Front Mi  Front Mi Surround  Center
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Alex135, keep going to the right with arrow keys
[19:33] <vlt> Hello. Since the recent big update for kde programs (example line from /var/log/aptitude: [UPGRADE] konqueror-nsplugins 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.3 -> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.4) nspluginviewer crashes every time. Any known solution?
[19:33] <sigma_1234> check bios time and date
[19:33] <Alex135> BluesKaj, I unmuted Front Mi
[19:33] <mefisto__> Jahromeo: try ctrl-esc, and search for adept. if it's in the list, kill it, then try "adept_manager" from command line and see if there are error messages
[19:34] <Alex135> BluesKaj, I want to try recording and i have several input devices to choose from...
[19:34] <Jahromeo> that works mefisto
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Alex135, unmute all that are relavent ..if you don't have surrounds don't unmute them
[19:34] <Jahromeo> what was the issue?
[19:34] <mefisto__> Jahromeo: sorry, that should be "kdesu adept_manager"
[19:34] <Jahromeo> well it works
[19:35] <Jahromeo> mefisto ctrl esc - kill and run from prompt works
[19:35] <Jahromeo> still wont run from the menu tho
[19:35] <Alex135> BluesKaj, I have surounds, i have several input choices for recording though... i have Front Mic Boost, Mic Boost, Capture, Capture 1, Capture 2, Digital
[19:35] <Jahromeo> seems adept notifier stays open
[19:36] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: timestamp...   try  sudo -K  in a konsole
[19:36] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, that's cuz you have "updates" since you edited your sources.list
[19:37] <Jahromeo> hmmm ive got something here - when i do kdesu adept etc it gives timestamp issuie if i just do adept_manager it boots
[19:37] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: if that does not help, next easy chance is a restart.  other ways of fixing sudo timestamp issues are more work
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Alex135, do you have just MIC ?
[19:37] <Alex135> no
[19:38] <sourcemaker> how can I unzip files... with files inside "ÄÖÜ" names
[19:38] <Jahromeo> would a restart fix the time stamp issue?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Alex135, then you'll ahve to experiment to see which mic inputs sound best
[19:38] <Jahromeo> meh im going to try brb
[19:38] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: did you try sudo -K ?
[19:38] <Alex135> BluesKaj, non of them sound at all...
[19:38] <Jahromeo> yes i did
[19:39] <Jahromeo> didndt work
[19:39] <Jahromeo> restarting then we can see
[19:39] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: what did it say?
[19:39] <Jahromeo> nothing
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Alex135, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture,click apply
[19:39] <Jahromeo> jerome@AbadonwareLinux:~$ sudo -K
[19:39] <Jahromeo> jerome@AbadonwareLinux:~$
[19:39] <Jahromeo> restarting
[19:39] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: often that's a good sign, but not if kdesu adept still gave same error
[19:40] <Alex135> still non...
[19:41] <JordanC> Yo dudes, I've got kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386 -- if I install from CD, can I dual-boot?
[19:41] <Liono> my kubuntu os is like some one raped it. some apps dont run some times. i open them and they make me wait for 10 hours. i see the perfomrance monitor and there are 4 or 5 or apps of same name e.g kopate. are "sleeping"      the os is slow and with errors. whats wrong
[19:42] <Jahromeo> k im back
[19:42] <Jahromeo> checking
[19:42] <Jahromeo> ok adept works now
[19:42] <Jahromeo> thanks guys
[19:42] <Lynoure> Liono: funny.
[19:42] <Jahromeo> i know a liono that plays a mud called medievia
[19:42] <JordanC> Liono: Since when did a rape victim make you wait 10 hours?
[19:43] <Liono> :)
[19:43] <Lynoure> Liono: but if we just look at the technical aspects of it, when did it start? Anything changed then? Has this persisted over a boot?
[19:43] <Alex135> brb
[19:43] <sourcemaker> how can I enable german umlauts in kubuntu?
[19:44] <Shrek> I am trying to set up a printer on my system and I am getting an error "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'server-error-internal-error'." can anyone tell me what would cause such an error?
[19:44] <sourcemaker> unzip is not working
[19:44] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: easiest way probably is to set the region and layout to german
[19:44] <Liono> Lynoure No. i just use it. and yes it some times dont boot too. it gives a black screeen before lauching kde.
[19:44] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: how can I do that?
[19:44] <JordanC> Yo dudes, I've got kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386 -- if I install from CD, can I dual-boot through a GUI or do I have to manually  partition things myself?
[19:45] <Liono> are there any apps or ways to make messed up kubuntu os good?
[19:45] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: K -> System Setting -> Region & Language
[19:45] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: I have done this...
[19:45] <BluesKaj> !cups
[19:45] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[19:46] <mefisto__> sourcemaker: look in keyboard layout, in the same section
[19:46] <SlimGary> salut
[19:46] <Jahromeo> !medibuntu
[19:46] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[19:46] <Alex135> nvm not working.... i give up for now
[19:47] <Lynoure> Liono: plenty, if you install them, or otherwise leave your system exposed. You could start with  chkrootkit, but could be something non-rootkit too, of course.
[19:47] <sourcemaker> mefisto__: Is configured right
[19:48] <BluesKaj> JordanC, I recommend that you DL and install GParted Partition Editor Live bootable cd to do you r partitoning befrehand , then when you boot the live Kubuntu cd the partitions will be ready for use
[19:48] <sourcemaker> mefisto__: when I open the zip file with ark... the filename is wrong
[19:48] <sourcemaker> mefisto__: using the command line is also not working fine
[19:49] <Jahromeo> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list - once i do that will medubuntu automatically always be in my sources.lst?
[19:49] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: depending on where you got the zip, it could have it's name in different encoding, or something.
[19:49] <JordanC> Hmm
[19:49] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: it's compressed from winrar in windows XP
[19:49] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: simple workaround,  mv foobar.zip bettername.zip    :)
[19:50] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: well... the filename of the zip is ok.... but the content files contains filenames with umlauts
[19:50] <Jahromeo> yay adept is crashing again
[19:50] <Jahromeo> how awesome
[19:50] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: Windows does not normally use utf8, I think (but not so up-to-date with MS anymore)
[19:51] <BluesKaj> JordanC, formatting the ext3 partition for linux with GParted is simple and easy , especially if you want to dual boot with windows
[19:51] <JordanC> BluesKaj: It's okay, I'm aware of how to partition, just wondered if it was in-built similar to in Fedora
[19:52] <Jahromeo> holy crap this adept is so unstableeee
[19:52] <ibou> how to open torrent hyperlink from firefox to ktorrent ?
[19:52] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: if the symptom is exactly same, that's a bit weird.. but you could try   sudo -v  instead of reboot.
[19:52] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: anything Adept offers can easily be done on commandline as well.
[19:52] <Jahromeo> its crashing every 2-3 in 5 times i open it
[19:52] <BluesKaj> ibou , do it from ktorrent config
[19:53] <Liono> Lynoure ok. any other?
[19:53] <sourcemaker> Can I use unicode instead of UTF-8?
[19:53] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: I forgot, did you do  sudo apt-get clean  ?
[19:53] <mefisto__> ibou: does firefox ask you what you want to do, when you click the link?
[19:53] <default_op> d3ce1t: it's really down to the repositories you put in it.  some sources conlict with others.
[19:53] <Jahromeo> will apt-clean clear my repo list or what?
[19:53] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: utf8 is unicode...
[19:53] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: hhm.... ok :-)
[19:54] <ibou> mefisto__: yes
[19:54] <Jahromeo> is there anyway i can get synaptic to give me a prompt before i choose to dl?
[19:54] <Jahromeo> like you are choosing to dl 200mb do you wish to continue?
[19:54] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: for more detail (just info, really): http://codesnipers.com/?q=node/80
[19:54] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: thanks
[19:55] <mefisto__> ibou: choose open with... and select "/usr/bin/ktorrent" and if you like tick the box to always open with ktorrent
[19:55] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: it will clean the apt cache of downloaded packages... it's mildly possible that something wonky there could cause adept to crash
[19:55] <default_op> Jahromeo: I've cleaned mine as still retained the list
[19:55] <ibou> mefisto__: ok. How to know that ktorrent is in /usr/bin but not in /bin ?
[19:56] <CaptainFlemingo> whos the project leader of Kubuntu?
[19:56] <ForgeAus> probably same guy that leads ubuntu???
[19:56] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: if your Adept is closed,  does   sudo apt-get update    (which just scans the repositories for their current contents, does not install or upgrade packages)  work ok?
[19:57] <CaptainFlemingo> mark shuttleworth?
[19:57] <default_op> Lamer question.  Can you name KDE menu panels?  ... and where?  they aare being named 'panel' and I can't customise them is they are all set the same name in the control panel
[19:57] <mefisto__> ibou: I think /bin is for system binaries, /usr/bin is for use by users
[19:57] <ForgeAus> or gal as the case may be
[19:57] <ForgeAus> CF I have no idea personally I'm just guessing
[19:57] <Lynoure> default_op: I haven't noticed any way to name them. So I have Main Panel and two Panels
[19:58] <default_op> d3ce1t: untick pre-release if you have it on as that will push beta content into your machine
[19:58] <ibou> mefisto__: thanks it works
[19:58] <default_op> Lynoure: but you then can't customise the the panels without them all being affected
[19:59] <BluesKaj> !mark shuttleworth
[19:59] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[19:59] <Lynoure> default_op: you can!
[19:59] <Lynoure> default_op: just you'll need to keep track of them and not rely on the names
[19:59] <Lynoure> default_op: Don't think I'd have one Main Panel and two _identical_ Panels, do you? :)
[20:01] <default_op> Lynoure: so you're limited to two all up
[20:01] <Lynoure> default_op: if you choose Configure Panel from the panel in question, you'll get settings for that panel
[20:01] <default_op> k
[20:01] <Lynoure> default_op: no, I told you, twice now, that I have three
[20:01] <default_op> k
[20:01] <Lynoure> default_op: Main Panel, and two called Panel
[20:02] <Lynoure> default_op: I think you can easily have 9, if you really really want, haven't needed more that 3 myself.
[20:02] <afrol> Hello - I'm in the process of reverting back to packages from kde 4 svn since it was taking up too much space with the new qt-copy. Do I want the kde4* packages that have versions like 3.94... or the kdebase / kdeworkspace packages that have versions like 4:4.0.1?
[20:03] <emilsedgh> !aptoncd
[20:03] <ubotu> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[20:03] <default_op> Lynoure: the problem is when I goto edit the manu in properties, it defaults toMain panel.  So when I pick panel it's defining the second not the new third.
[20:03] <BluesKaj> break time
[20:03] <emilsedgh> !aptoncd > Linux-lover
[20:03] <romeo1> what do you do when people send you mixed messages?
[20:03] <Lynoure> default_op: simple solution, always go through the panel in question
[20:04] <Lynoure> default_op: sure, could be better UI, but is not, maybe in KDE4 eventually it will.
[20:05] <default_op> Lynoure: ok thanks.  I actually think it's fantastic so far.  in Vista or XP I didn't like having panels here and there, but I find the applets in these panesl very useful
[20:05] <Lynoure> default_op: if you just tried adding panels, and they don't seem to exist, try restarting kicker  dcop kicker kicker restart
[20:05] <vlt> Hello. When a user logs in via XDMCP I want to store the source IP somewhere for further usage. Any idea? Some grepping on `last`? And where to put such command?
[20:05] <default_op> ok thanks
[20:06] <Lynoure> default_op: I had that problem when I added these first time, but I suppose things might have gotton improved meanwhile :)
[20:06] <Lynoure> vlt: it's not in your /var/log/auth.log ?
[20:07] <vlt> Lynoure: I'll check ...
[20:09] <default_op> Lynoure: I hope KDE4 will finially get the full features and more of KDE3.
[20:09] <Lynoure> default_op: I'm sure it eventually will. Just patience (or contribution) meanwhile.
[20:09] <default_op> Lynoure: If I'm correct in saying, K4 doesn't yet allow you t add parts tot he panel?
[20:11] <Lynoure> default_op: I've only tried the beta briefly... I have the current kubuntu kde4, but I rarely play with it (it makes me feel quilty for not being active in Basket)
[20:12] <vlt> Lynoure: auth.log contains many many lines. Maybe I get a more accurate result from `last`. But where to put a command that should be run when the user logs in?
[20:13] <snarkster> wth cant i paste files in dolphin?
[20:13] <mefisto__> snarkster: do you have write permission in the dir you are pasting?
[20:13] <weedar> I just installed Gutsy, but want to try Hardy Heron, can I just change all references to gutsy into hardy in my sources.list ?
[20:14] <snarkster> mefisto__: yah my home folder.
[20:14] <default_op> Lynoure: Thanks, the restart worked and now I can adjust the panel in particular.  thx.
[20:15] <Lynoure> vlt: it could be in any multiple places. Too tired to think much... For my own using I'd probably be lazy and just grep the logs
[20:16] <romeo1> i feel like breaking glass why can't i?
[20:17] <vlt> Lynoure: Yes, but when? How to trigger a log analyzing?
[20:18] <vlt> I don't want to run it as a minute cronjob ;)
[20:18] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[20:19] <mefisto__> can I just reinstall the standard ati driver to revert?
[20:19] <Lynoure> vlt: I stand by my "too tired to think much", still.
[20:19] <vlt> Lynoure: ok
[20:19] <vlt> :)
[20:20] <sourcemaker> is there a kubuntu update for openoffice 2.3.1?
[20:21] <romeo1> i was rude and bad mouthed others and was paranoid when i went out and i think people are calling police on me or will if i come out again what to do? :D thank you
[20:21] <Lynoure> vlt: auth.log should have the ip and something like pam_unix(xdm:session): session opened for user foobar   , you can grep that log to be a separate log whenever you want, cron, at, manually, make a little daemon to do it, anything :)
[20:22] <Lynoure> vlt: Depends all on your needs, like how realtime you need it.
[20:23] <Lynoure> romeo1: that joke is getting old. Seriously, try ##offtopic or something
[20:23] <hydrogen> try ##/dev/null
[20:23] <vlt> Lynoure: The most obvious solution for me was to grep it once, right when the user logs in. Isn't there a start script where I could insert such a command?
[20:24] <Lynoure> vlt: If you have checked and found out there is, that's a good place :) But where would it tell that, realtime?
[20:26] <weedar> Anyone know how I can upgrade my gutsy to hardy heron? :)
[20:26] <vlt> Lynoure: The "start script" could run a curl command to the http server (that is the one that later needs this information) ...
[20:28] <Lynoure> vlt: Sounds like a plan.
[20:28] <arcticpenguin380> !games
[20:28] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[20:30] <vlt> Lynoure: The only thing I need to know is: Where to put such an autostart command that is executed when a user logs in?
[20:30] <Lynoure> vlt: I'd still be lazier... just syslog the auth.log also to the remote machine, grep it there with a script, cgi or whatever, at displaytime.
[20:30] <DasDoo> Silly question - Is there a restricted driver manager in Kubuntu 7.10
[20:30] <weedar> DasDoo: There is
[20:31] <DasDoo> where?
[20:31] <snarkster> ttyl
[20:31] <Lynoure> vlt: What steps have you taken to find your start command? I bet that if your wakeful google-fu has not found any, mine will not either.
[20:32] <hydrogen> vit: .kde/Autostart
[20:32] <hydrogen> or .kde3/AutoStart
[20:32] <hydrogen> or .kde4/Autostart
[20:32] <DasDoo> weedar, ?
[20:32] <weedar> DasDoo: Hm, I can't find it in the K-menu, but it did start on my first boot so I know it's there. somewhere...
[20:33] <DasDoo> Anyone know if there is a restricted driver manager
[20:33] <weedar> DasDoo: There is, I told you. Just run "restricted-manager-kde" from a console window
[20:33] <hydrogen> or from alt-f2
[20:33] <hydrogen> or from alt-space
[20:33] <hydrogen> or from the k menu...
[20:34] <hydrogen> konsoles are so ten years ago
[20:35] <mefisto__> DasDoo: it should be in system settings, advanced tab
[20:35] <Lynoure> hydrogen: but that's for each user, not really very usable if there is loads of them... and permissions can be a problem. If one decides to use that location, then  w  is a better command that giving just about any user right to auth.log
[20:36] <Lynoure> hydrogen: sorry, just thought, vlt's problem, not mine
[20:36] <lorddemon666> hi, i'm moving my kubuntu 6.10 linux from desktop linux to laptop. main difference betweeen those machines is that desktop pc has nvidia graphics, while laptop has intel x3100 graphics. xorg works on laptop only with 'vesa' driver. i've only done 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel'. what driver should i use in xorg.conf?
[20:36] <DasDoo> weedar, its actually jockey-kde
[20:37] <hydrogen> Lynoure: $KDEDIR (/usr/share/kde/Autostart)
[20:37] <DasDoo> weedar, thanks very much though
[20:37] <DasDoo> =)
[20:37] <weedar> DasDoo: np ;-)
[20:37] <Lynoure> hydrogen: oh, yes, there is that.
[20:40] <vlt> hydrogen, Lynoure: I'll try, thanks.
[20:42] <mefisto__> can I create a .deb to install a patched video driver, instead of installing with make install? I want to be able to uninstall it if it doesn't work
[20:47] <Paradigm_Shift> Hello
[20:48] <Paradigm_Shift> I have a quick question regarding some RAM I added that my BIOS sees but kubuntu does not
[20:49] <Paradigm_Shift> I had 2GB and added 2 GB more. Bios shows total RAM of 4096 but kubuntu still only refelcts 2 GB
[20:50] <Paradigm_Shift> not sure what I can do to get kubuntu to see the added RAM or even if there is anything I can do
[20:50] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: There used to be a kernel limit... I think it's just a switch now...
[20:51] <Paradigm_Shift> oh
[20:51] <Paradigm_Shift> how can I set the switch???
[20:51] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, do I need to compile the kernel by hand?
[20:52] <jhutchins> Don't think so.
[20:52] <jhutchins> It's either an optional kernel or a kernel option...
[20:52] <Paradigm_Shift> ok. Not sure how to set the options. Do you know?
[20:52] <Paradigm_Shift> or where to find the optional kernel
[20:53] <Paradigm_Shift> ???
[20:53] <jhutchins> Looking..
[20:53] <jhutchins> Where do you _not_ see the ram?
[20:54] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, if I run the kubuntu device database tool from the system menu and from superkaramba applets that show system resources
[20:54] <shadowhywind> how would one upgrade from fiesty to gutsy from the console?
[20:55] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: How much does it show?
[20:55] <Paradigm_Shift> the 2GB I already had
[20:55] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, http://www.skolelinux.org/~klaus/sarge/x2003.html - might give a clue
[20:55] <jhutchins> shadowhywind: This may tell you : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:55] <Paradigm_Shift> thanks ere4si
[20:56] <shadowhywind> thanks
[20:56] <ere4si> k
[20:57] <Paradigm_Shift> hmmmmm
[20:58] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: See what kernels are available.
[20:58] <Paradigm_Shift> in Adept?
 d3ce1t: untick pre-release if you have it on as that will push beta content into your machine ¿?¿? what??
[21:00] <d3ce1t> default_op:  ping
[21:00] <jhutchins> Hey, I just installed 2 512's and I only show 512!
[21:00] <jhutchins> Oh, no, that's an ssh session.
[21:00] <jussi01> hehe
[21:00] <jhutchins> No, local shows 512, ssh is 128 (should upgrade that too...
[21:01] <jhutchins> is there a way to tell if a NIC is in 10 or 100M mode?
[21:02] <patrick__> !adeptfix
[21:02] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:02] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, I am not sure where I need to look for the kenel or even what I am looking for exactly
[21:02] <scjp_> hello, everybody
[21:02] <mefisto__> Paradigm_Shift: I think adding mem=4g might work. try putting it in grub menu at boot, and if it works, edit menu.lst to make it permanent (add mem=4g to # defoptions line)
[21:02] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: what does uname -h tell you?
[21:03] <scjp_> i just installed the oracle-xe but i want to uninstall completely from the system, so when i install it again,  it will not find any previous installations on pc
[21:03] <scjp_> ?
[21:03] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins uname -h tells me that -h is an invalid option
[21:03] <jhutchins> Well, I gotta reboot and figure this out...
[21:03] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: Sorry, -m for machine
[21:03] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, np and thanks!
[21:04] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins the result is i686
[21:04] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: what cpu do you have?
[21:04] <arcticpenguin380> what is kubuntu packages optimized for?
[21:04] <Paradigm_Shift> I have a dual core AMD 3800 X2 (939 socket)
[21:04] <Paradigm_Shift> the system identifies that correctly - even the dual core part
[21:05] <jhutchins> the 2.4 kernel had a limit, and reserved 1GB for the kernel even in large memory mode...
[21:05] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: ok, you should probably be running an smp kernel then.  Does uname -a say anythnig about smp?
[21:06] <jhutchins> arcticpenguin380: Pretty much everything's cross-compiled these days.
[21:06] <jhutchins> arcticpenguin380: So it doesn't matter, the software will adapt itself to the system.
[21:06] <jhutchins> Ok, power down now.
[21:06] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins uname -a = 2.6.22-14-386 #1 Tue Feb 12 07:12:19 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:07] <arcticpenguin380> ok
[21:08] <Ouranos999> can someone help me to go on kubuntu-fr??
[21:09] <aleksanteri> /join #kubuntu-fr
[21:11] <lorddemon666> scjp_: try removing /etc/oratab
[21:12] <scjp_> lorddemon666, what is inside oratab, if i will remove that file then it will not pick up the same installation again when i install it
[21:12] <lorddemon666> scjp_: it tells oracle what database instances has been installed on this unix device
[21:13] <Paradigm_Shift> does anyone know which kernel image listed in Adept supports SMP?
[21:13] <default_op> d3ce1t: well the pre-release means that yoiu maybe offered updates to software that haven't been rated release to public status, other words they could be bugged..  Bugs may include not installing properly and compatibility with other software in general
[21:13] <romunov> if i create a file.txt, i keep getting a file called samefilename.txt~ in the directory. this latter file never disappears. what's up?
[21:14] <lorddemon666> scjp_: it is text file. if you don't have any other oracle instances (ie. oracle 9i) on the same machine it is safe to delete it after uninstall
[21:14] <mefisto__> romunov: it's just a backup when you edit and save the .txt file
[21:14] <scjp_> lorddemon666, so i will do that sudo apt-get remove oracle-xe and then i will remove the oratab, Next time when i will install the oracle it will not pick the files and do the new installation
[21:15] <scjp_> lorddemon666, is that rite becoz i removed oracle and then installed it again but it just picked up the old files and there is no oracle-xe file so that i can configure it
[21:15] <mefisto__> romunov: you can tell the text editor to not make the backups if you want, in settings
[21:16] <lorddemon666> scjp_: i think so, i've done some reinstallations of oracle-xe, and i remeber that /etc/oratab had to be removed every time
[21:16] <patrick__> !adeptfix
[21:16] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:16] <d3ce1t> default_op: yes, i know that but why do you tell me? xD
[21:17] <default_op> d3ce1t: arr becuase you said earlier that you thought Apedt was too buggy
[21:17] <d3ce1t> default_op: I think you was talking with other person :)
[21:17] <default_op> Adept
[21:17] <romunov> mefisto__: thanks, i'll try that
[21:17] <default_op> well it went public
[21:17] <patrick__> Is there a way to get updates?
[21:17] <patrick__> like force it to check?
[21:17] <default_op> hehe
[21:18] <d3ce1t> but not a problem haha :P
[21:18] <lorddemon666> anyone here using intel graphics?
[21:18] <mefisto__> patrick__: "sudo apt-get update" will refresh the sources, then "sudo apt-get upgrade" to install any updates found
[21:19] <patrick__> thanks
[21:19] <lorddemon666> i have a new laptop with intel, and i'm having trouble with running accelerated graphics in X
[21:20] <Paradigm_Shift> wouldn't that be "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for all updates????
[21:21] <tekteen> Paradigm_Shift: no
[21:21] <Paradigm_Shift> ok
[21:21] <tekteen> that is to upgrade to a new version of ubuntu
[21:21] <mefisto__> yes, if you see a message saying packages have been held back, you need dist-upgrade
[21:21] <tekteen> really?
[21:21] <scjp_> lorddemon666, i installed the oracle but i cannot run the /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure becoz oracle-xe file doesnt exist
[21:21] <Liono> what are admin tools for kubuntu?
[21:22] <scjp_> lorddemon666, what should i do ?
[21:22] <nick_> what
[21:22] <mefisto__> tekteen: man apt-get explains
[21:22] <tekteen> ok
[21:23] <nick_> lorddemon666: please change your name... it isn't cool, it is just stupid
[21:23] <Paradigm_Shift> is the server kernal image the right one to get smp????
[21:23] <arcticpenguin380> is JFS better than ext3 with lots of files in a directory?
[21:25] <Paradigm_Shift> I am SOOOOOO confused  :-[
[21:25] <mefisto__> nick_: what are you talking about?
[21:25] <nick_> i am talking about his stupid name
[21:25] <nick_> thanks
[21:25] <nick_> much better
[21:26] <mefisto__> ?
[21:27] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, try this for a guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel
[21:27] <jimmy_> I'm using kde 3.5 on ubuntu 7.10 but want to try out kde4, is there a simple way of installing it as I'm a bit of a newbie?
[21:27] <ld> scjp_: did you encounter any message during installation of oracle-xe package? /etc/init.d/oracle* was always there when i reinstalled the package
[21:27] <Paradigm_Shift> thanks ere4si!
[21:27] <ere4si> k
[21:27] <ld> scjp_: any error message i meant
[21:27] <scjp_> lorddemon666, ??
[21:28] <scjp_> ld, no error messages at all
[21:28] <ld> scjp_: and /etc/init.d/oracle* is missing?
[21:28] <scjp_> ld, just successfully installed and run /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure  to configure it
[21:28] <scjp_> ld, yep oracle-xe is missing
[21:29] <Liono> at where can i see screen lock and unlock logs?
[21:29] <ld> scjp_: can you do: su - oracle; sqlplus /nolog;    ?
[21:30] <markit> is there a dedicated channle for Hardy?
[21:30] <scjp_> ld, when i enter su - oracle, ask me for a password
[21:30] <_charlie> I am back
[21:30] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, not sure if custom compiling is going to work, or even which modules I need to enable 4GB of RAM being recognised
[21:31] <ld> scjp_: during installation you should create oracle account, now you should know the password
[21:31] <ld> scjp_: if you don't remember, you can change the password as root
[21:31] <scjp_> ld, but that you do it when you enter the command oracle-xe configure
[21:32] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, it's something that has come up several times lately and haven't seen a proper fix yet but don't loose hope
[21:32] <Paradigm_Shift> :)
[21:32] <markit> I've upgraded Hardy some days ago, and seems is unable to stop services, so shoutdown fails (last forever), is it known bug? how to fix it?
[21:33] <scjp_> ld, there is no oracle-xe  command so that i can configure it and enter the ports, that kind of thing
[21:33] <scjp_> ~pastebin
[21:33] <jpatrick> !pastebin
[21:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:33] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, thanks. I just added 2GB of RAM and I am dying to see if kubuntu goes from a pup to a greyhound!
[21:33] <mefisto__> Paradigm_Shift: did you try adding mem=4G at boot in the grub menu?
[21:33] <Paradigm_Shift> mefisto, not yet
[21:34] <ld> scjp_: does the linux account 'oracle' exist?
[21:34] <Paradigm_Shift> mefisto, so at GRUB menu I hit "e" to edit and just type mem=4g and hit enter?
[21:34] <Paradigm_Shift> "mem=4g"
[21:34] <scjp_> ld,  http://rifers.org/paste/show/6690 <-------------
[21:34] <mefisto__> Paradigm_Shift: yes, in the kernel line
[21:35] <Paradigm_Shift> I will try
[21:35] <sigve> Hi, can anyone help me getting sound to work in rdesktop?
[21:35] <Paradigm_Shift> <arnold voice>I'll be back</arnold voice>
[21:36] <scjp_> ld, ???
[21:36] <ld> scjp_: just a sec
[21:38] <Liono> at where can i see screen lock and unlock logs?
[21:40] <ld> scjp_: i personally haven't experienced the issue you're having now (missing /etc/init.d/ora*). i've experienced some similiar situations, ie scripts don't work. in many of these situation internal oracle tools do work.
[21:41] <ld> scjp_: i'm trying to tell you how to use these internal tool to startup your database
[21:41] <scjp_> ld, yes ofcourse but before starting up database, i need to configure the ports, password
[21:42] <scjp_> ld, without that i will not be able to do anything at all
[21:42] <ld> scjp_: port for listener is in $ORA_HOME/network/admin/listener.ora
[21:43] <ld> scjp_: passwords for unix accounts can be changed by root (i assume you have root access)
[21:44] <ld> scjp_: if you follow my commands and give me any error messages that you see, maybe we will be able to start your database
[21:45] <Paradigm_Shift> :( mem=4g is not giving me the love
[21:45] <romeo1> bonsaikitten have you ever gone through the where people come out in grocery store or shops on purpose or to just break rules and show off? what if you were a minority and did that? just because you don't like them
[21:45] <scjp_> ld, okei that will be good
[21:45] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, found this - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/only-2gb-our-of-4gb-ram-detected-614801/
[21:45] <ld> scjp_: first of all you should login to linux oracle account, do it by 'su - oracle'
[21:45] <scjp_> ld, great thing is that there is no listener.ora as welll
[21:46] <midvalley> How do you find a SATA windows second HD with Kubuntu on your master?
[21:46] <scjp_> ld, then
[21:46] <scjp_> ?
[21:47] <midvalley> I'm reasonably familiar with Grub. I'm having trouble finding the drive itself.
[21:47] <scjp_> ld, i am in the oracle now,
[21:48] <ld> scjp_: i was telling you pathnames from memory, i could make a mistake. we will adress this if some error messag will push us to it
[21:48] <ld> scjp_: try 'sqlplus /nolog'
[21:49] <scjp_> ld, sqlplus:  command not found
[21:49] <ere4si> midvalley, it should be listed in /dev if it was connected at boot
[21:50] <Liono> any body knows at where can i see screen lock and unlock logs? in kubuntu
[21:50] <mefisto__> midvalley: does "sudo fdisk -l" show it?
[21:50] <midvalley> nah
[21:51] <midvalley> Liono: was that you who said that? :P
[21:51] <ld> scjp_: do you have ORACLE_HOME evironment variable set?
[21:51] <midvalley> sudo fdisk -l does not show anything
[21:51] <scjp_> ld, yes i do
[21:51] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, thank you for that link. It looks like I will have to re-install a 64bit version. Oy! 8.04 is a few weeks away, as so I guess I will just reinstall then.
[21:52] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, some have probs with the 64bit because apps are mostly 32bit
[21:52] <ld> try '$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog'
[21:52] <mefisto__> midvalley: not even your linux partition?
[21:53] <ld> scjp_: try '$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog'
[21:53] <luxon> jenny
[21:53] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, WAH!!!!!
[21:53] <scjp_> ld, okie i am in the sql plus
[21:53] <ere4si> :)
[21:53] <scjp_> now
[21:54] <midvalley> mefisto__: It shows my linux partion but that's it, I meant negative on showing the ntfs partition.
[21:54] <ld> scjp_: type in: 'startup;' and hit enter
[21:55] <scjp_> ld, ORA-01031: insufficient privileges ?
[21:55] <luxon> ubuntu
[21:55] <frustrated> guys this is too much! shift and backspace kills my entire X session
[21:55] <frustrated> ive lost work twice like this
[21:55] <frustrated> !!!!
[21:56] <frustrated> excuse me very much for pressing shift and backspace by accident
[21:56] <ld> scjp_: sorry, you firstly have to log in as sysdba, try 'conn sys/SYS_PASSWD as sysdba'
[21:56] <ld> scjp_: SYS_PASSWD is password for 'sys' oracle user
[21:57] <frustrated> unbeliveable for a product that wants to compete win M$
[21:57] <prince_jammys> frustrated: did you look in the keyboard shortcut options?
[21:57] <frustrated> alright someone tell me how to disable shift and backspace from killing my x session?
[21:59] <prince_jammys> frustrated: what happens if you do shift f1
[21:59] <frustrated2> i dont know
[21:59] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: if it makes you disappear, try shift f7
[21:59] <frustrated2> guess what i just pressed shift backspace again and got booted and LOST MORE WORK
[22:00] <Liono> how can i log all  "screen lockings" + "unlocking events"
[22:00] <scjp_> ld, ORA-12705: Cannot access NLS data files or invalid environment specified ?
[22:01] <Liono> can some one tell some system admin tools?
[22:01] <ld> scjp_: after you do 'su - oracle', what does the command 'env | grep ORA' return?
[22:02] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: what happened
[22:02] <frustrated2> again pressed shift and backspace
[22:02] <frustrated2> its unbeleviable
[22:02] <frustrated2> who is the moron that thought this was ok
[22:02] <frustrated2> ???
[22:02] <scjp_> ld, nothing
[22:03] <frustrated2> and why the hack does vmware stop all the virtual machines
[22:03] <frustrated2> when X dies
[22:03] <frustrated2> i thought vmware supposed to run them as a deamon
[22:03] <frustrated2> damn crap
[22:03] <romeo1> can people call the police on you for giving them silent treatment or ignoring them or doing my own thing? and is it illegal or threatening to suddenly change your forehead to close together? how to not? :D thank you
[22:03] <jussi01> frustrated2: ok, dont press shift backspace, then
[22:03] <frustrated2> yea not so easy dude when you type fast
[22:03] <frustrated2> how about a warning before killing the X session
[22:03] <frustrated2> before all the work you have is lost
[22:03] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: do shift + F1, and then shift + F7 or ctrl -alt f7 if you disappear
[22:04] <midvalley> frustrated2: that would upset hard core users
[22:04] <anon32> Is it possible to use more than 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit system?
[22:04] <anon32> I know you can in Windows.
[22:04] <midvalley> frustrated2: most people never ever encounter the problem you do.
[22:04] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: shift+f1
[22:04] <midvalley> 3~3~3~3~3~
[22:04] <jussi01> frustrated2: system settings, keyboard and mouse, keyboard shortcuts, then go change the logout without confirmation shortcut
[22:04] <frustrated2> whats shift + f1 do ... will i get logged out again
[22:04] <ld> scjp_: it is inconsistent with what previously happened. i asked you to run $ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus and you could do it, now you're telling me that there is no variable with ORA in its name
[22:04] <frustrated2> ok jussie01 ill try that
[22:04] <prince_jammys> try it
[22:04] <ld> scjp_: it is inconsistent with what previously happened. i asked you to run $ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus and you could do it, now you're telling me that there is no variable with ORA in its name
[22:05] <jussi01> !tab > frustrated2
[22:05] <frustrated2> no thanks prince_jammy im restarting all my VMs here and dont need them to stop
[22:05] <ld> scjp_: first 'su - oracle', then 'env | grep ORA'
[22:05] <scjp_> ld, yep thats what happened ! http://rifers.org/paste/show/6691 <----- this is the way i setup the path
[22:05] <mefisto__> midvalley: does ls /dev/sd?? show you more than your linux partitions?
[22:06] <frustrated2> guess what i dont even have shift bkspace defined
[22:07] <frustrated2> and it is still doing that
[22:07] <frustrated2> damn nvidia probably their bug in their damn driver
[22:07] <jussi01> !ohmy | frustrated2:
[22:07] <ubotu> frustrated2:: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:07] <ld> scjp_: ok. after you do 'su - oracle', what result is given by command 'echo $ORACLE_HOME'?
[22:07] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: it seems to be acting like ctrl+alt+backspace
[22:07] <scjp_> ld, i cannot do su - oracle,  i can use sudo su - oracle, ok then i can do anything
[22:08] <Paradigm_Shift> :| man, I don't think I am ready to try and build my own kernel. It feels like swimming over the Marianas trench wearing a lead wet suit
[22:08] <Paradigm_Shift> the sinking will last a looooooooooooooooooooong time
[22:08] <midvalley> frustrated2: probably some kind of backdoor so that they could get out.
[22:08] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: which is why i wanted to see if shift +f1 acts like ctrl alt f1, which would give you a terminal
[22:08] <frustrated2> auughh so much for expecting this OS to be better then windows... oh well ill have to live with this for now... ahhhhhahhh
[22:08] <midvalley> frustrated2: .. >>
[22:09] <midvalley> midvalley: one shortcut you don't like and it's sub winblows?
[22:09] <scjp_> ld, okie after i login as oracle@localhost: i enter the command echo $ORACLE_HOME and i am geting nothing in return
[22:09] <ld> scjp_: 'sudo su - oracle' is the same as 'su - oracle' done by root. that is ok.
[22:09] <frustrated2> shift f2 does nothing
[22:09] <frustrated2> i mean shift f1
[22:09] <prince_jammys> ok
[22:09] <prince_jammys> that settles that
[22:10] <scjp_> ld, okie after i login as oracle@localhost: i enter the command echo $ORACLE_HOME and i am geting nothing in return
[22:10] <ld> scjp_: that is bad... oracle internal tools require some environment variables set. one of them is ORACLE_HOME
[22:10] <midvalley> how can I detect my second drive? it's sata ntfs.
[22:10] <frustrated2> ok anyone know how to make vmware run the vms regardless of X
[22:10] <frustrated2> i want the vms to stay running even if X quite all of the sudne
[22:10] <frustrated2> sudne
[22:11] <frustrated2> suden damn cant use backspace
[22:11] <scjp_> ld, i setup in the .bashrc file long time ago it was like "ORACLE_HOME=/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server
[22:11] <scjp_> "
[22:11] <ld> scjp_: if it is not by default then try setting it to your oracle installation directory
[22:11] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-202654.html
[22:12] <frustrated2> thanks prince_jammys that seems like the solution
[22:12] <ld> scjp_: it sounds good
[22:12] <frustrated2> although it should never have happend in the first place
[22:12] <prince_jammys> now we can go back to being better than windows
[22:12] <anon32> Is it possible to use more than 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit system?
[22:12] <anon32> I know you can in Windows.
[22:12] <frustrated2> and this is annoying
[22:12] <frustrated2> and i lost my vms
[22:12] <midvalley> anon32: I know you can't in vista
[22:12] <ere4si> anon32, read this - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/only-2gb-our-of-4gb-ram-detected-614801/
[22:13] <scjp_> ld, i mean when i am login as a normal user to computer not like "sudo -su oracle " then i enter the $ORACLE_HOME and get message with proper path where oracle_home is installed
[22:13] <mefisto__> frustrated2: if you don't want/need the shortcut at all, you can add this to xorg.conf in serverflags section: Option "DontZap" "on"
[22:13] <ld> scjp_: but when 'env | grep ORA' is run as oracle, it should print some variables
[22:13] <midvalley> Is there any simple way or program that I can use to detect an NTFS drive?
[22:13] <anon32> ere4si, I said more than
[22:14] <mefisto__> midvalley: qtparted or gparted might show it
[22:14] <midvalley> I don't need to write to it, or even read it, I just need it so I can add it to the bootloader
[22:14] <midvalley> mefisto__: Thanks :D
[22:14] <ere4si> anon32: if it won't work with 4 than for "more than"...
[22:14] <anon32> I never said it doesn't work with 4... I want to use 8
[22:15] <ld> scjp_: ok i see. proper oracle installation requires that at least oracle account has environment properly set. in your case the normal user has the envinronment set, but oracle account does not.
[22:15] <ere4si> anon32: read it again
[22:15] <scjp_> ld, yes true it doesnot print anything, actually i am not 100% sure that oracle is completely installed properly on the machine, this is why i want to completely remove everything which includes oracle from the pc and want to do a fresh installation if it's possible
[22:15] <anon32> ere4si, what about it?
[22:16] <midvalley> mefisto__: Unfortunately qtparted didn't show it :(.
[22:16] <mefisto__> midvalley: ls /dev/sd*
[22:17] <midvalley> mefisto__: I'll try that :)
[22:17] <ld> scjp_: if oracle-xe package was installed successfully then i think oracle should be usable. in my experience there are only problems with environment variables and some configuration files.
[22:18] <scjp_> ld, okie boss then you are rite
[22:18] <scjp_> ld, how should i setup the envoirment variables for oracle user
[22:18] <ld> scjp_: try to make oracle account have set ORACLE_HOME=/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server and ORACLE_SID=XE
[22:19] <scjp_> ld, what do you mean by oracle account, means adding him as a new user ?
[22:20] <midvalley> mefisto__: I got /dev/sda /"/sda1 /"/sd /"/sdaa
[22:20] <midvalley> sorry lol
[22:20] <ld> scjp_: oracle account should be linux account named 'oracle'
[22:20] <scjp_> ld, okie
[22:20] <midvalley> /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5
[22:20] <Liono> how can i do scripting in linux?
[22:20] <midvalley> mefisto__: which was the same readout as my fdisk -l
[22:20] <scjp_> ld, how should i do that ?
[22:21] <ld> scjp_: setup of env vars is done by editing /home/oracle/.bash_profile
[22:21] <anon32> Liono, write a text file with each line containing a valid shell command
[22:21] <mefisto__> midvalley: and the ntfs partition is on a separate physical disk?
[22:21] <midvalley> mefisto__: Yeah, they're both SATA
[22:22] <mefisto__> midvalley: could it have been disconnected accidentally? does bios detect it?
[22:22] <ld> scjp_: if you want every user having access to oracle-xe then you should edit /etc/profile
[22:22] <scjp_> ld, how should i add the newuser addnew something like ?
[22:22] <midvalley> mefisto__: I don't think so it looked pretty secure, I could try that though.
[22:22] <midvalley> mefisto__: If it is secure what would you suggest I try next?
[22:23] <rufus> how can I run "Plasmoids"?
[22:23] <mefisto__> midvalley: see if bios can find it to confirm it's connected ok. other than that, I don't know
[22:23] <ld> scjp_: you told me that you could do 'su - oracle', so there is no need to add account 'oracle'
[22:23] <midvalley> mefisto__: Alright thanks :)
[22:23] <ld> scjp_: only thing left is setting evn vars
[22:24] <rufus> anyone know?
[22:24] <scjp_> ld, boss in this machine there is no user called oracle added it,
[22:26] <ld> scjp_: so you manually created 'oracle' linux account?
[22:26] <scjp_> ld, okie tried to create and it say user already exist
[22:26] <frustrated4> anyway after being booted from X
[22:26] <frustrated4> so many times
[22:26] <scjp_> ld, that is fine by me but
[22:26] <frustrated4> the solution is actually this:
[22:26] <frustrated4> xmodmap -e ‘keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server’
[22:26] <scjp_> ld, now cannot find the /home/oracle/.bashrc
[22:27] <frustrated4> and if i find the developer who thought this was a good feature... ill give him or her a good kick in the butt
[22:27] <ld> scjp_: that user should have existed after installing oracle. it is good.
[22:27] <frustrated4> more info here:
[22:27] <frustrated4> http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/11/13/disable-shift-backspace-restarting-xgl/
[22:28] <scjp_> ld, okie but there is no file called /home/oracle/.bashrc file
[22:28] <ld> scjp_: you should add to profile (the file is /home/oracle/.bash_profile) lines like those: 'export ORACLE_HOME='/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server'
[22:28] <rufus> !plasmoids
[22:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plasmoids - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:28] <rufus> !find plasmoid
[22:29] <ubotu> Package/file plasmoid does not exist in gutsy
[22:29] <ld> scjp_: give me a sec, i want those paths and filenames accurate for you and i need to do same checks
[22:29] <scjp_> ld, but there is no profile file, i cannot even see the oracle user folder,i can see the other users folder
[22:30] <ld> scjp_: you mean that there is no /home/oracle folder?
[22:30] <scjp_> ld, yes
[22:32] <ld> scjp_: maybe oracle account has been assingned different folder, not one of /home/ descendands
[22:32] <scjp_> ld, anyway to locate the oracle user then ?
[22:33] <ld> try as root 'cat /etc/passwd | grep oracle'. DO NOT PASTE RESULTS HERE
[22:34] <hydrogen> err
[22:34] <hydrogen> grep oracle /etc/passwd
[22:34] <ld> scjp_: it should print a line of records separated by colon (:)
[22:34] <hydrogen> extra pipes make the hydrogen cry
[22:35] <ld> scjp_: the one but last is the home directory
[22:35] <scjp_> ld, okie the command you gave it doesnt work but "grep oracle /etc/passwd" works
[22:36] <rufus> everytime I try to compile something, I get an error
[22:36] <rufus> C compiler can not make executables
[22:36] <rufus> how can I fix this?
[22:36] <crimsun_> rufus: sudo apt-get --reinstall install build-essential
[22:36] <scjp_> ld, okie now i got the results  ?
[22:36] <ld> scjp_: results should look like: jekyll:x:1001:1001::/home/jekyll:/bin/sh
[22:37] <scjp_> ld, yep it is
[22:37] <ld> scjp_:  /home/jekyll is the home directory for jekyll account
[22:38] <ld> scjp_: do you know oracle home directory now?
[22:38] <scjp_> ld, but here it say   "       oracle:x:1000:1000::/usr/lib/oracle/xe:/bin/bash "
[22:38] <hydrogen>  /usr/lib/oracle/xe
[22:38] <hydrogen> is the home
[22:39] <scjp_> hydrogen, okie
[22:39] <scjp_> ld, now ?
[22:39] <ld> btw hydrogen: why cat /etc/passwd | grep ACCOUNT_NAME doesn't work?
[22:40] <hydrogen> no clue
[22:40] <hydrogen> well
[22:40] <hydrogen> probably
[22:40] <prince_jammys> ld no idea but to make shorter in the future   cat blah | grep pattern  [22:41] <ld> scjp_: now we know the home dir for oracle user. to not to mess it longer i propose editing your oracle profile files without changing any paths
[22:43] <prince_jammys> if the user name has funky chars, that may affect the grep match
[22:43] <scjp_> ld, okie so the profile will be .bash_history or .bash_profile
[22:43] <ld> scjp_: you should add to profile (the file is /usr/lib/oracle/xe/.bash_profile) lines like those: 'export ORACLE_HOME='/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server'
[22:44] <ld> scjp_: and another line 'export ORACLE_SID=XE'
[22:44] <scjp_> ld, okie but if there is no file called .bash_profile can i create one
[22:44] <rufus> how can I run "Plasmoids"?
[22:44] <ld> scjp_: of course
[22:45] <ld> scjp_: it will be read and executed by bash as the first thing ofter logon (or su - XXX)
[22:45] <scjp_> ld, so it will be just only these two lines in the file nothing else,
[22:46] <ld> scjp_: those should do by now
[22:46] <scjp_> ld,  do you think that it will be like .bashrc file not .bash_profile
[22:46] <prince_jammys> .bashrcis the ubuntu way
[22:46] <prince_jammys> .bashrc
[22:47] <scjp_> okjie
[22:47] <ld> scjp_: my way is not ubuntu only like, my way is linux general like
[22:47] <prince_jammys> .bash_profile may work (other distros use it)
[22:47] <hydrogen> err
[22:47] <ld> scjp_: what prince_jammys sais should work for you
[22:47] <hydrogen> you are confusing two entirely different files
[22:48] <prince_jammys> hydrogen: yes, but are not things that are normally done in .bash_profile ,, done in .bashrc in ubuntu?
[22:48] <hydrogen> .profile is sourced by a login shell.  Bash also sources .bash_profile if it exists.   .bashrc is sourced by a non-logon shell.  Putting it in .bashrc would only affect a terminal
[22:48] <hydrogen> prince_jammys: no
[22:49] <prince_jammys> ah
[22:49] <hydrogen> man bash
[22:49] <prince_jammys> thx
[22:50] <prince_jammys> asked that once here, got the wrong answer apparently
[22:50] <scjp_> ld, its done
[22:51] <ld> scjp_: after you login as oracle by 'su - oracle', what does the command 'env | grep ORA' returns?
[22:52] <ld> scjp_: in your case 'sudo su - oracle'
[22:52] <scjp_> ld, ORACLE_SID=XE
[22:52] <scjp_> ORACLE_HOME=/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server
[22:53] <scjp_> ld,  that whats print out !
[22:53] <ld> scjp_: ok
[22:54] <ld> scjp_: now try 'sqlplus /nolog' as oracle user
[22:55] <scjp_> ld, command not found
[22:55] <ld> scjp_: '$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog'
[22:56] <scjp_> ld, sql shell now ?
[22:56] <ld> scjp_: type 'conn sys/SYS_PASSWORD as sysdba'
[22:57] <ld> scjp_: i think you know what SYS_PASSWORD should be
[22:58] <scjp_> ld, oh my god connected to an idle instance;
[22:58] <ld> scjp_: it is very good
[22:58] <ld> scjp_: now type 'startup;'
[22:59] <rufus> if I want to access a shell on this computer from a different computer, do I need an SSH server?
[22:59] <scjp_> ld,  error "ORA-01078: failure in processing system parameters
[22:59] <scjp_> LRM-00109: could not open parameter file '/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server/dbs/initXE.ora'"
[22:59] <ld> scjp_: more details?
[22:59] <frustrated4> how do i get a neat looking skin for this kwin desktop
[22:59] <scjp_> ld, no more thats it
[22:59] <frustrated4> ?
[22:59] <unagi> anyone know why alt f4 doesnt close my window sanymore?
[23:00] <frustrated4> i want something like
[23:00] <frustrated4> http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1237/desktop2007100303xi1.png
[23:00] <frustrated4> for example
[23:01] <scjp_> ld, okie this file "initXE.orac" doesnt exist i checked the directory
[23:03] <ld> scjp_: in sqlplus logged to idle instance try executing command 'create pfile from spfile'
[23:04] <scjp_> ld, http://rifers.org/paste/show/6692
[23:05] <unagi> my alt f4 doesnt close windows anymore how do i fix this
[23:06] <ld> scjp_: did you log into database as oracle linux user using sqlplus?
[23:06] <scjp_> ld, yes
[23:06] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? Do I just reinstall the standard ati driver from repos? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[23:08] <scjp_> ld, and i got the error message after entering that command which i pasted it
[23:08] <ld> scjp_: now i can confirm there is some fatal problem with your oracle installation. in most cases if standard tools fails, internal tools work like a charm.
[23:09] <scjp_> ld, okie now what should i do ?
[23:12] <ld> scjp_: i never experienced such a problem. there is not much left but trying to reinstall oracle-xe. this time if you will pass any warning or error messages during installation, maybe we will succseed
[23:12] <scjp_> ld, okie boss but the problem is that i cannot be able to completely remove the whole installation of oracle-xe from the system,
[23:13] <ld> scjp_: what idicates that oracle is not beeing completely removed?
[23:15] <scjp_> ld, okie when i enter the command sudo apt-get install oracle-xe and its start reading the database, instead of installing it and use the previous version of installation
[23:16] <unagi> is there a command to close the current window?
[23:17] <unagi> like alt+f4?
[23:17] <ld> scjp_: try removing previous installation by: 'apt-get remove XXXXXXXX'
[23:17] <scjp_> ld, after complete installation  i should have a file called oracle-xe in the folder "/etc/init.d/ " so that i can configure it
[23:17] <scjp_> ld, yep doing that now
[23:17] <joe_> why the hell would anyone upload a video to the internet that can only be played in IE? is there a way to make these videos work in Ubuntu? will IE work with Ubuntu?
[23:18] <ld> scjp_: if there are any error message please pass them to me...
[23:18] <scjp_> ld, yes ofcourse
[23:19] <mefisto__> joe_: what's the video? is it the page that is preventing it, or do you not have the right codecs and browser plugins?
[23:19] <joe_> mefisto__: its on muchmusic.com and it says "this video can only be viewed using Internet Explorer"
[23:20] <mefisto__> joe_: what's the url?
[23:21] <joe_> mefisto__: should I post it here or in a pm?
[23:21] <mefisto__> here is fine, I think
[23:22] <rufus> okay, is there a good dock to use with KDE?
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> rufus » kooldock?
[23:22] <anon32> ick, docks...
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> AWN works as well
[23:22] <joe_> http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/ <-- under "watch shows online" click on America's best dance crew
[23:22] <scjp_> ld, http://rifers.org/paste/show/6693
[23:23] <rufus> thanks
[23:23] <unagi> !kooldock
[23:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kooldock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <sub[t]rnl> greetings
[23:23] <rufus> im sure you have to set it up yourself
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> !find kooldock
[23:24] <ubotu> Found: kooldock
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> rufus » what do you mean "set it up"
[23:24] <mefisto__> joe_: I get "Some of our content is restricted to users in Canada only." I'm not in Canada. But I don't see the internet explorer message.
[23:24] <unagi> no matter what i put in close windows in keyboard shortcuts i cant close my windows with a shortcut anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> afternoon/evening/morning sub[t]rnl
[23:24] <sub[t]rnl> heyo :>
[23:24] <ld> scjp_: installation failed because terminal wasn'nt big enough
[23:25] <rufus> nosrednaekim, either add your own repo or compile it
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> rufus » ah yeas, you have to add a repo
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> !AWN
[23:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> for awn, kooldock is in the repositories
[23:26] <rufus> i have the awn repo right here
[23:26] <rufus> deb http://repo.freecreations.info/ubuntu gutsy freeverse
[23:26] <ld> scjp_: try running it within bigger size terminal or terminal window with smaller font size
[23:27] <joe_> mefisto__: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/monctonjoe/Screenshot.png
[23:27] <Liono> i need a script that runs on boot. and soon after kde lauches and desktop is visible, it locks screen. then after the screen is unlocked, it locks screen 'after 30 minuts of unlock' and keeps this behaviour onwards. locks screen after every 30 minuts of unlocking.     any help?
[23:27] <scjp_> ld, okie
[23:28] <scjp_> ld, Executing Post-install steps...
[23:28] <scjp_> -e You must run '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure' as the root user to configure the database.
[23:28] <scjp_>  """
[23:28] <unagi> would reinstalling kubuntu desktop fix my broken alt+f4?
[23:29] <ld> scjp_: try executing '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure'
[23:29] <scjp_> ld, "/etc/init.d/oracle-xe: command not found"
[23:29] <deepfreez> Hi, i running kubuntu desktop and i install apache+php+mysql and when  i try http://localhost i get a file (open/save a file with name w65w670e.phtml or another name.phtml ) how i can resolve this error?
[23:30] <scjp_> ld, oracle-xe file is not there in the /etc/init.d/ directory
[23:30] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: you have to tell apache to execute CGI scripts in that directory.
[23:30] <deepfreez> SlimeyPete: how? i need remove the line?
[23:30] <mefisto__> joe_: looks like it's playing video on yours
[23:31] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: you need to put "options +execCGI" in the section of your apache2.conf (or sistes-enabled script) which refers to the directory
[23:31] <SlimeyPete> there will be something like "<directory /var/www>...</directory>"
[23:31] <deepfreez> i put :|
[23:31] <deepfreez> wait
[23:31] <joe_> mefisto__: yeah but its not showing the video of the show thats its suppose to, its playing a video of a "splash" screen that says the video can not be viewed unless you use IE
[23:32] <mefisto__> ok, I just saw the message, sorry joe_
[23:32] <joe_> no worries :D
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ what browser are you using?
[23:32] <joe_> any way to emulate IE ?
[23:32] <joe_> sub[t]rnl:  I use FF
[23:33] <unagi> i guess i have to reformat
[23:33] <unagi> yay!
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> not sure in ff, you can emulate in konqueror.  tools -> change browser identification
[23:33] <ld> scjp_: what is the installation command for oracle-xe
[23:33] <joe_> unagi: I dont know how to do it, but there MUST be a better way to fix it then reformat
[23:33] <unagi> i dunno how
[23:34] <unagi> no one seems to know what it could be
[23:34] <joe_> sub[t]rnl: I dont have "change browser id" under tools :(
[23:34] <deepfreez> <Directory /var/www>

[23:34] <deepfreez> whits?
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> that bit, yes
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> put "options +execCGI" in there
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> between the two.
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ put in about:config
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> then do "sudo apache2ctl restart"
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ look for general.useragent.override
[23:35] <scjp_> ld, sudo apt-get install oracle-xe and then you have to run it by using /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure to configure it
[23:35] <Liono> sub[t]rnl can you do scripting
[23:36] <deepfreez> don't understand SlimeyPete :| where can you give me a example?
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> Liono➜ what kind?
[23:36] <unagi> i guess i better burn a live cd to reformat with
[23:36] <mefisto__> joe_: do you have konqueror installed?
[23:36] <joe_> mefisto__: yep, trying to figure out the change id thing now
[23:37] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: just put "options +execCGI" on the line after "<directory /var/www>"
[23:37] <deepfreez> ah k
[23:37] <SlimeyPete> then run "apache2ctl restart"
[23:37] <mefisto__> unagi: are you running compiz?
[23:39] <deepfreez> SlimeyPete: don't work :|
[23:39] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: you did the restart?
[23:39] <scjp_> ld, so ?
[23:39] <deepfreez> * Restarting web server apache2                                                                                [ OK ]
[23:40] <SlimeyPete> if it still doesn't work then perhaps you need to tell apache to use php. I can't remember how to do that,sorry - someone in #apache might be able to help.
[23:41] <deepfreez> <Directory /var/www/>
[23:41] <deepfreez> Options +ExecCGI

[23:41] <SlimeyPete> erk
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> sorry
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> option
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> no 's'
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> so "Option +ExecCGI"
[23:42] <deepfreez> ah ok
[23:42] <joe_> sub[t]rnl and mefisto__ in konquerer, nothing loads at all in the video player
[23:42] <sub[t]rnl> what video player?
[23:43] <deepfreez> don't work SlimeyPete pfff
[23:43] <sub[t]rnl> oh, flash on some website?
[23:43] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: no? OK, sorry. Obviously there's another problem then. You might get better advice from somewhere in #apache or #php.
[23:44] <deepfreez> k tnx
[23:48] <ld> ld, sorry just one sec
[23:49] <scjp_> ld, u still there     ?
[23:49] <ld> scjp_: sorry one sec
[23:52] <CrazyArcher> hello
[23:53] <mefisto__> joe_: It might work if you install IE. :(  Don't know if flash will work though.      http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[23:54] <joe_> mefisto__: but I hate bill and all his software, cant I make it work in linux :(
[23:55] <scjp_> ld, boss whats happening?
[23:56] <ld> scjp_: i'm having talk with my wife
[23:56] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ whats the webpage?
[23:56] <mefisto__> joe_: maybe a flash movie extension for firefox might be able to d/l the .flv so you can watch them in standalone player
[23:56] <joe_> http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/ <-- under "watch shows online" click on America's best dance crew sub[t]rnl amd try to play one of the episodes
[23:56] <joe_> mefisto__: good thinkin :D
[23:58] <mefisto__> joe_: videodownloadhelper works well for me. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006
[23:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm  Shall i point out that that video has a big 'Sorry You are not in Cannada' item. :)
[23:58] <Dr_Willis> it wont let me watch it.
[23:58] <joe_> mefisto__: sweet thanx :D
[23:59] <mefisto__> Dr_Willis: I got that too. maybe we should move
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> The video sare using Flash Player - so they should work under linux. If your flash is working