[19:59] <gordonjcp> maui: in nautilus?
[19:59] <kvothetech> maui: ls?
[19:59] <neekz0r> everestt: that's just an example, but usually compiling your own kernel is when you have something very specific in mind; or you just want to screw around :)
[19:59] <maui> any file that contains pdf, images etc
[19:59] <maui> i see contents only as images:/
[19:59] <maui> as icons
[19:59] <maui> i want to see content as list
[19:59] <gordonjcp> maui: <ctrl-2>
[19:59] <mdfe> maui,  ther's a giant button for that in the top right of nautilis
[19:59] <neekz0r> although, to be honest, i see it coming back with cloud computing
[19:59] <maui> what is nautiflus\
[19:59] <upomoc> kvothetech:  i dont want to go this road again i try evryting listed on forums i asked here 10 times and try zilion things , so what good range wifi card works out the box so i go buy it?
[19:59] <neekz0r> when your enviroment is virtual, you don't need all the drivers as modules
[19:59] <maui> forget it, i found it
[20:00] <maui> sorry, stupid question:P
[20:00] <mdfe> maui, nautilus is the 'file explorer' program
[20:00] <samuraibsd> Has anyone using 13.04 with Chrome or Chromium noticed that every time you type in the Unity menu to search, it opens a new about:blank tab?
[20:00] <kvothetech> upomoc: look for an hcl then theres a lot that work fine.
[20:00] <everestt> llutz, kvothetech, neekz0r, mdfe ...I think I get it now :) ...is there a website where I can find news about customized kernels with significant performance gain?
[20:01] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: idid:  mount -o remount,rw /media/USB-HDD
[20:01] <mdfe> everdred, i thik webupda8 just did an article on custom kernels for performance
[20:01] <aeLiXihr> is that ok?
[20:01] <upomoc> kvothetech:  hc1 what is thet
[20:01] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: kk
[20:01] <llutz> everestt: on an average pc there is no kernel "with significant performance gain?"
[20:01] <aeLiXihr> kk?
[20:01] <kvothetech> upomoc: hardware compatibility list...
[20:01] <mdfe> everestt, sorry, see http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/get-better-linux-desktop-performance.html
[20:02] <everestt> llutz, mdfe ok :)
[20:02] <mdfe> everestt, if that breaks your system, i'm invisible, ok?
[20:02] <kvothetech> llutz: depends what you're doin on it... neekz0r good example llutz it doesn't take more than 3 minutes to learn how to do one ...what takes a while is getting it how you want it /right...again a one time thing though for the most part.
[20:02] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: mount|grep USB says: (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks)
[20:03] <upomoc> kvothetech:  do you meybe know how to enable  wifi card to use its wpa nativly
[20:03] <kvothetech> upomoc: wpa_supplicant?
[20:04] <llutz> kvothetech: i'm doing this for a while, i guess i can say that a custom kernel for a "normal pc" is wasted time in most cases (except education)
[20:04] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: kk uhm odd umask but other than that it looks riht
[20:04] <everestt> mdfe, I just need to know how to revert to the previous working kernel from a bootable pendrive
[20:04] <Vooloo> my ubuntu keeps nagging me about a partial upgrade, if I do this, will I get the useless sidebar that I don't want?
[20:04] <everestt> mdfe, and I don't know how to do that... yet.
[20:04] <kvothetech> llutz: probably personally i just have fun doing it :)
[20:04] <mdfe> everestt, the kernel will be in /boot and in /lib/modules
[20:04] <neekz0r> everestt: if you are really curious about linux, i suggest LFS (linux from scratch), it'll show you how to make your own distrobution :)
[20:05] <kvothetech> everestt: just edit your grub
[20:05] <upomoc> kvothetech:  so what is wpa_supplicant comand to set it too use nativ card suplicant
[20:05] <jkeiper> can i temporarily stop a daily cron script from running by just moving it out of /etc/cron.daily/ to my home until i'm ready to let it run again?
[20:05] <mdfe> everestt, you need those files, and then you need to run update-grub to rebuild the boot loader
[20:05] <jkeiper> or do i have to follow up by restarting smoething?
[20:05] <llutz> jkeiper: just move the file
[20:06] <kvothetech> jkeiper: crontab -e and comment it?
[20:06] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: so i am f#ckt?
[20:06] <jkeiper> thanks
[20:06] <everestt> neekz0r, I think I'll give it a try someday... last time I tried (a couple of years ago) I gave up.
[20:06] <thecodeischaos> if i disconnect from a wifi network... after a while, that network is not visible from the taskbar icon... i can see it in "hidden networks" though. why does it go there?
[20:06] <llutz> jkeiper: or add "exit 0" at the beginning of the script, until you're done
[20:06] <everestt> kvothetech, yep.
[20:06] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: no.
[20:06] <jkeiper> llutz: ooh, i like that better
[20:07] <aeLiXihr> :) than what do i do next ?
[20:07] <thecodeischaos> the network isnt hidden though, because my other computers can see it
[20:07] <everestt> kvothetech, neekz0r, llutz, mdfe ...thank you all :) ...I'll go put 3.9.2-pf again and hope the sound doesn't break this time.
[20:07] <jkeiper> thx llutz
[20:08] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: well it's mounted rw...it's saying read only..so stupid question...does your user have perms to access the folder (execute permissions on the dir) you're trying to delete
[20:08] <thecodeischaos> but ubuntu thinks it is hidden because i disconnected from it manually
[20:08] <aeLiXihr> yes that too, but i did a sudo
[20:08] <kvothetech> thecodeischaos: ?
[20:09] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: kk....i'm missing something stupid...someone else will point it out in about 10 seconds
[20:09] <aeLiXihr> i dunno
[20:09] <thecodeischaos> i was connected to my wifi network on my other pc, and manually disconnected from it.... then after a while on that machine i couldnt see the network anymore... but i can see it in "hidden networks"
[20:09] <aeLiXihr> i have been fighting the thing for 3 days by now
[20:10] <thecodeischaos> it dosnt show up normally again until i reboot the machine
[20:10] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: ok just unmount it completely for a sec
[20:10] <aeLiXihr> shall i shut it off?
[20:10] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: aeLiXihr no just unmount it
[20:10] <everestt> (brb)
[20:11] <aeLiXihr> mount -o rw /media/USB-HDD ?
[20:12] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr:  as root yeah do that in /media or somewhere
[20:12] <kvothetech> thecodeischaos: put your card in promiscuous mode and tcpdump
[20:13] <kvothetech> thecodeischaos: do you see your ssid being broadcasted....if you want you can use airomon and airodump
[20:13] <samuraibsd> Guys, this problem is really weird and I'm kind of desperate to find a fix for it
[20:13] <llutz> "iwlist s" does
[20:13] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: sudo unmount -o rw /media/USB-HDD ?
[20:13] <AleXa> od prelaska na 13.04 grafika mi mnogo secka
[20:14] <AleXa> brat se žali na igrice
[20:14] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: sudo umount /media/USB-HDD
[20:14] <aeLiXihr> tnx
[20:14] <AleXa> a ja  primetim da mi kod video player-a embedovanog na web stranici takođe secka - a nije net u pitanju
[20:14] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: then sudo mount -o rw /dev/<device><partition> /media
[20:14] <aeLiXihr> done
[20:15] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr:  sudo rm -rf yourfilehere
[20:15] <AleXa> Sorry, mistake.
[20:15] <kvothetech> AleXa: english?
[20:15] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: eh?
[20:15] <kvothetech> llutz: huh?
[20:16] <AleXa> Having problem with graphics since moving to 13.04. Brother says graphic in games is pitty, and I've noticed glitches when watching some video online
[20:16] <kvothetech> samuraibsd: what problem
[20:16] <ozux> I'm trying to restart network with /etc/init.d/networking but there is no effect, can't find any bug report, any body have idea what has been changed?
[20:16] <AleXa> What shall I do?
[20:17] <kvothetech> ozux: ?? do stop then start if that works then restart should work fine just does it faster than youre wathing
[20:17] <kvothetech> AleXa: give us useful infromation would be a good start.
[20:17] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: did that work
[20:18] <ozux> kvothetech: tried to stop, and start , no effect
[20:18] <aeLiXihr> i do not understand what to do
[20:18] <desperateinstall> Hello all!  Fourth time around for an install of ringtail.  Installs just fine, but the first reboot hangs on the bootloader.  X64 samsung laptop.  What am I doing wrong?
[20:18] <ozux> kvothetech: it's server, no network manager
[20:18] <AleXa> I'm using X.org X server - ATI AMD driver
[20:18] <aeLiXihr> i unmounted
[20:18] <ozux> kvothetech: and no silly configs, pretty standard
[20:18] <AleXa> **open-source
[20:19] <kvothetech> ozux: so then stop should be pretty obvious if it works...
[20:19] <AleXa> What other infos can I provide you?
[20:19] <m0nk3yjoe> I'm trying to install Ubuntu LTS 12.04.2 on a dell Dimension e310 and it installs but just crashes after Grub menu
[20:19] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: follow the 2 commands after that
[20:19] <ozux> kvothetech: Yep, but after start, i get same configs before stop.
[20:19] <m0nk3yjoe> I have tried to go to recovery options but it crashes and says compression error
[20:19] <m0nk3yjoe> Any ideas
[20:19] <aeLiXihr> i do not get that: sudo mount -o rw /dev/<device><partition> /media sudo rm -rf yourfilehere
[20:20] <kvothetech> AleXa: X info exact games, video mech used that didn't work which amd driver and chipset...framerates..
[20:20] <aeLiXihr> i do not know what to fill in
[20:20] <ozux> m0nk3yjoe: error 26?  This error is returned if the file header for a supposedly compressed file is bad.
[20:20] <kvothetech> ozux: so did you change the config
[20:20] <ozux> m0nk3yjoe: most likely, you should try re-installing grub
[20:21] <m0nk3yjoe> ozux, Off CD right?
[20:21] <ozux> kvothetech: yes, indeed, that's the reason I need to restart networking.
[20:21] <g-maurizi> #ubuntu, solved my problem. I was testing my NAT rule from the console of the router, and did not have an OUTPUT rule in iptables for the NAT. ty
[20:22] <ozux> m0nk3yjoe: to be honest, it's a while I did not use CD. Normally I re-install grub by booting a live disk and issue grub install
[20:22] <AleXa> games are run over wine: WoW and Counter Strike. But the whole system is somehow slowed down. When I scroll down through the page in Firefox, it's slicing
[20:22] <ozux> m0nk3yjoe: you may try super grub disk
[20:22] <AleXa> btw, OpenGL is used for both games
[20:22] <ozux> m0nk3yjoe: you installed grub 0n MBR isn't? Does it show the grub menu? and options?
[20:22] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: uhm you should have gotten it earlier from your mount command if you dont know otherwise /dev/sd(b,c,d)(1,2,3) are common depending on drive count/partitions
[20:23] <kvothetech> AleXa: turn off vsync
[20:23] <aeLiXihr> sdb it is
[20:23] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: so sdb1 then
[20:23] <aeLiXihr> ok
[20:23] <ozux> kvothetech: every time I have to restart, or try ifconfig eth0 down, then eth1 and eth2
[20:23] <llutz> ozux: sudo nohup sh -c "invoke-rc.d networking stop; sleep 2; invoke-rc.d networking start"
[20:24] <castedo> hi all, how can i know what type of cipher is being used on a drive?
[20:24] <ozux> kvothetech:  the point is, I get to the new config, but the fact /etc/.../networking restart is not working is quite strange for me
[20:24] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 ?
[20:24] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: yes
[20:24] <aeLiXihr> tnx
[20:24] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: you need a /media after it
[20:24] <kvothetech> so it knows where to put it
[20:24] <aeLiXihr> ok
[20:25] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: done
[20:26] <urgodfather> chiluk: clean install, up to date, still no connect. just prompts for the key again, then trys to connect
[20:26] <ozux> llutz: nope. I have still my old eth0 IP address
[20:26] <AleXa> kvothetech, I'm not able to google how to turn off the vsync in xubuntu (xfce)
[20:26] <llutz> ozux: then check your config
[20:26] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: what is: sudo rm -rf yourfilehere ?
[20:27] <kvothetech> AleXa: i use xmonad (and i don't use wine) so no idea then if you already did that
[20:27] <aeLiXihr> it is a folder i wish to get rid of
[20:27] <lulz0r> Can someone help me reading the cpu temperatures over ssh? (Have root access, machine is right next to me.) I installed lm-sensors, but they only show this https://ideone.com/oV1gYq and it's always exactly the same, even if I put load on the cpu. I have a 3770k and a msi z77a-g43 board. I already tried sensors-detect and modprobe lm78, but that didn't change anything. What should I do?
[20:27] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: thatll work for a folder...the -r is recursive the -f is dont ask
[20:27] <kvothetech> lulz0r: get worse cooling :)
[20:28] <kvothetech> lulz0r: i did'nt actually click the link :)
[20:29] <lulz0r> kvothetech I doubt my cooling is so good that the temperature doesn't change one bit :D
[20:29] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: sudo rm -rf /media/USB-HDD/.Trash-1000 ?
[20:30] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: you should just have to type /media unless you remounted it to /media/USB-HDD
[20:30] <dev__> I want to launch 3 basic servers on boot and keep them running in gnome-terminal tabs. I've written up a bash script to do this but the windows all return "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal". Any idea how to do this?
[20:30] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: er /media/.Trash-1000
[20:30] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: or you had it right if you mounted it back to the exact same spot
[20:30] <urgodfather> anyone else got experience in troubleshooting wifi? clean install 13.04, up to date, intel advanced-n 6235. can see networks, just not connect. chip is new, works fine in winblows.
[20:31] <Biomechd> how do i clear my java cache?
[20:31] <kvothetech> lulz0r: hey i was being optimistic :)
[20:31] <aeLiXihr> ah, something is happening
[20:31] <kvothetech> urgodfather: use iwl
[20:31] <lulz0r> kvothetech: I just don't get how such an easy thing can be that hard, it's like 5 clicks on windows. :(
[20:32] <urgodfather> kvothetech: how to? what commands? never used it before
[20:32] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: hmmm, the same long list of: rm: cannot remove `/media/USB-HDD/.Trash-1000/files/Recycled/Df30.me/Thumbs.db': Read-only file system
[20:32] <kvothetech> urgodfather: the centrino n cards almost always work better with iwl
[20:33] <kvothetech> urgodfather: uhm i compiled it into my kernel but you should be able to modprobe it too
[20:33] <urgodfather> kvothetech: how?
[20:33] <kvothetech> urgodfather: then rmmod the one you have /are using now
[20:33] <niel> hello im thinking about ditching my iphone and going to android I have an Ubuntu computer any suggestion of what phone or what to do?
[20:33] <kvothetech> niel: note 2 or nexus 4
[20:33] <llutz> niel: wrong channel
[20:34] <niel> ?
[20:34] <niel> how so?
[20:34] <aeLiXihr> thank you anyway!
[20:34] <niel> what channel should I be in?
[20:34] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: i am going of, thanks again!
[20:34] <guntbert_> niel: this channel is for ubuntu support *only*
[20:34] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: ....ls -Zal that folder
[20:35] <niel> guntbert_, well I was asking for support for a question
[20:35] <urgodfather> kvothetech: woudl this be a suitable tutorial? http://askubuntu.com/questions/287369/how-install-iwlwifi-driver-in-ubuntu-13-04
[20:35] <kvothetech> niel: note2 best specs ....nexus 4 ...better community
[20:35] <Biomechd> does anyone know how to clear my java cache? a program i'm trying to use isn't working, and before i got a thing about clearing my java cache.
[20:35] <kvothetech> urgodfather: idk i'm not on ubuntu...judging from link title yeah sounds right
[20:36] <niel> now is ubuntu hard to install once I get the phone google is not helping
[20:36] <kvothetech> niel: you want ubuntu on the phone? or android...
[20:36] <kvothetech> niel: you just changed your question
[20:36] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675239/
[20:36] <guntbert_> niel: we are providing technical ubuntu support here - discussions and polls happen elsewhere please
[20:36] <llutz> niel: ubuntu has mtp support, so android phones can be accessed in general. what phone you have to buy is offtopic here
[20:36] <baba> does ubuntu supports qemu ?
[20:37] <urgodfather> kvothetech: or something from here? http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi#Download
[20:37] <niel> kvothetech, can I pm you?
[20:37] <llutz> baba: yes
[20:37] <kvothetech> niel: no
[20:38] <baba> llutz: cool
[20:38] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> what is the best way to have hotmail integration or under the mail icon in the top right?
[20:38] <urgodfather> kvothetech: ok, so different driver but how to install?
[20:38] <kvothetech> urgodfather: iwlwifi is what you want how you get it is up to you...like i said...compile it into your kernel (it should come with the sources) or modprobe it if you already have it as a module.
[20:38] <baba> llutz: should i choose ubuntu server or desktop edition ?
[20:39] <kvothetech> baba: depends what you want?
[20:39] <llutz> baba: how would i know?
[20:39] <aeLiXihr> kvothetech: goodnight, thank you! :)
[20:39] <urgodfather> kvothetech: its a tarball
[20:39] <kvothetech> aeLiXihr: sorry didn't get it to work
[20:39] <kvothetech> urgodfather: extract it
[20:39] <muculus>  http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/42464/packages-that-php-need-to-connect-to-mysql
[20:39] <kvothetech> ae Likihr that last test was to see if selinux or something was in the way
[20:39] <baba> from stability and support point of view which one i should select, i need to emulate sparc and arm platforms.
[20:40] <baba> kvothetech: ^^
[20:40] <urgodfather> kvothetech: i know that much, I'm transferring to laptop now.
[20:41] <upomoc>  kvothetech:  i figur what is my problem  it is drivers newer drivers dont work good does somone know how to downgrade drivers from driver=rt2800usb driverversion=3.8.0-19-generic TO driver=rt2800usb driverversion=3.2.0-41-generic-pae
[20:42] <Elements_of_inst> Hello all! how i can decide what hosting to hire for website i am currently running website with 5000+ hosts a day, but it is a shared virtual hosting and website most of the time is down, how to determine if i need VPS, VDS or dedicated server?
[20:42] <upomoc> and i remeber on older ubuntu it worked normal
[20:42] <kvothetech> upomoc: by removing the new ones and putting in the old ones
[20:43] <kvothetech> Elements_of_inst: a vps is a vds they're the same thing first off
[20:43] <Biomechd> i have an online class soon and blackboard apparently can't connect until i clear my java cache. how do i do this in ubuntu?
[20:43] <Elements_of_inst> kvothetech, yes thats true, you are right!
[20:43] <kvothetech> Elements_of_inst: budget, scalability, locaiton, hardware availability, experience, etc all are factors...
[20:44] <urgodfather> kvothetech: says to cp into /lib/firmware and then it can be loaded. how to load?
[20:44] <kvothetech> urgodfather: modprobe?
[20:44] <Elements_of_inst> kvothetech, not sure what you mean by that, i thought that the server parameters are more important that my phisical location:)
[20:45] <urgodfather> kvothetech: modprobe .... what?
[20:45] <kvothetech> Elements_of_inst: if it's a dedicated or a colo...it matters where it is....whether you want a vps or a dedicated should depend on your budget scalability ou want and whether you know what you're doing or not
[20:45] <kvothetech> urgodfather: modprobe iwlwifi
[20:46] <Elements_of_inst> kvothetech, how is that? :)) IF it is a virtual shared server then it doesnt metter where it is?"
[20:46] <kvothetech> Elements_of_inst: if you go that route it might not but you probably want to stay in your country.....
[20:47] <Elements_of_inst> kvothetech, no not in my country my website has internatial traffic
[20:47] <kvothetech> Elements_of_inst: i was listing things to consider...if you live across the street from a datacenter and have hardware to colo it'd be stupid to vps in a country on the other side of the world for example
[20:47] <urgodfather> kvothetech: shouldnt i rkill or something first?
[20:47] <kvothetech> urgodfather: modprobe -r <module it's using now>
[20:48] <upomoc> kvothetech:  f my wifi buged i hed to rebot to ZorinOS anywey how to remove new driver and install old i know i can modprobe -r rt2800usb but dont know  any more
[20:49] <Tarso> #analizo
[20:49] <Biomechd> guys, i have a virtual class in 10 minutes and i need to clear my java cache so i can use blackboard collaborate. how do i do that?
[20:49] <Tarso> ops
[20:49] <Tarso> sry
[20:49] <urgodfather> kvothetech: i rebooted
[20:49] <kvothetech> urgodfather: ok
[20:49] <upomoc>         how to downgred drivers
[20:50] <kvothetech> urgodfather: lsmod grep to see if it's loaded
[20:51] <Biomechd> kvothetech: can you help, perhaps?
[20:52] <urgodfather> kvothetech: lsmod | grep didnt work
[20:52] <kvothetech> urgodfather: ?
[20:53] <kvothetech> Biomechd: uhm .java or /tmp would be my guess
[20:53] <musca> ls ~/.icedteaplugin/cache
[20:53] <bekks> urgodfather: lsmod | grep whattogrepfor
[20:53] <urgodfather> kvothetech: did i use the command right?
[20:53] <upomoc> how to downgrade rt2800 driver older
[20:53] <urgodfather> bekks: so... lsmod | grep intel??
[20:54] <OerHeks> Biomechd, last item:> https://confluence.hatsize.com/display/SUPPORTKBASE/Clearing+JAVA+Plug-in+Cache+(Java+1.5,+1.6)   > should work for oracle java, for openJDK > rm -rf ~/.icedteaplugin/cache
[20:54] <kvothetech> urgodfather: iwlwifi is what you're grepping for
[20:54] <bekks> urgodfather: If the module is named intel or contains the string intel - yes.
[20:54] <uroyanme> is the Msn dashboard for a microsoft browser and not Chrome?
[20:55] <urgodfather> ok now i have something
[20:55] <kvothetech> urgodfather: ok now test your card
[20:55] <urgodfather> iwlwifi 1 dvm and cfg80211 3 iwlwifi
[20:56] <kvothetech> urgodfather: i think you're supposed to have a mac80211 but maybe not...try it
[20:56] <kvothetech> uroyanme: what?
[20:57] <urgodfather> kvothetech: yeah cfg80211.... 3.... iwlwifi, mac80211, and iwldvm
[20:57] <kvothetech> urgodfather: and does it work?
[20:58] <urgodfather> kvothetech: negative ghost rider
[20:58] <kvothetech> urgodfather: error is?
[20:58] <uroyanme> Can is use the msn browser or dashboard on Ubuntu? My dad was asking me this.
[20:59] <kvothetech> uroyanme: i'm not sure what you mean by msn browser because last i checked there is no such thing ....
[20:59] <Biomechd> OerHeks: could i perhaps just delete everything in the .icedtea/cache/ folder?
[20:59] <kvothetech> Biomechd: yes
[20:59] <OerHeks> Biomechd, sure
[20:59] <urgodfather> kvothetech: same problem.. trys to connect then just prompts for pw again
[20:59] <uroyanme> Ok, I am trying to look up msn dashboard... ick
[20:59] <Biomechd> alright, just wanted to make sure i wouldn't be messing anything up.
[20:59] <kvothetech> urgodfather: hmm does your wpa supplicant work?
[20:59] <OerHeks> Biomechd, after that, restart your browser
[21:00] <uroyanme> Oh, will MSN explorer work on Ubuntu?
[21:00] <urgodfather> kvothetech: i dunno but the network is wep anyways
[21:00] <OerHeks> uroyanme, maybe with wine
[21:01] <uroyanme> Ick, that will be very slow.
[21:01] <kvothetech> urgodfather: kk so we can rule out wpasupp..
[21:02] <urgodfather> kvothetech: i had this same problem when i installed the same card in a different pc. was a clean load of 12.10 on it. it took a few reboots and many connect attempts, but once it got connected the first time, did not have anymore issues
[21:04] <uroyanme> Can anyone suggest a browser for Ubuntu that I can customize?
[21:05] <urgodfather> kvothetech: its certified hardware, should i be having this much trouble?
[21:05] <Biomechd> thanks OerHeks and kvothetech. the blackboard java file's downloading stuff now.
[21:06] <akurilin2> Is there an appropriate folder where I could have the www-data user save temporary files?
[21:07] <kvothetech> akurilin2: /tmp seems a bit obvious
[21:07] <akurilin2> Is it awful if I create something like /var/nginx and chown www-data to it?
[21:07] <kvothetech> akurilin2: that works too
[21:08] <akurilin2> kvothetech, the question is, am I breaking some kind of smart best practice here as far permissions to low-privilege users are concerned?
[21:08] <llutz>  /tmp is a bad idea, if its not on its own filesystem. no webserver should be able to fill /
[21:08] <akurilin2> if I do the above.
[21:10] <vlad_starkov> Question: can anyone explain me how it is possible that after I changed faulty HDD in my RAID1 and launched recovery process, after system boot I have clear system with no software and my data like?????
[21:11] <urgodfather> kvothetech: am i supposed to re-compile the kernel after i copied that ucode into /lib/firmware?
[21:11] <urgodfather> kvothetech: if so, how?
[21:13] <baibu> manu 51
[21:13] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: Did you allow the system to run in degraded mode or was it configured to fail to boot when degraded?
[21:14] <baibu> <IP_ADDRESS>) Quit.2.7.69) bla bla bla
[21:15] <Tony> Is there a way to set umask for all the files created by a user, having a issue with a user, he wants all is file to be 755 upon creation but befault  ubuntu appears to be using 644
[21:16] <Tony> I tried setting umaek 022 under the .profile and .bashrc but that doesn't appear to work, any clues
[21:16] <groovehunter> hi, i wanted to install a .deb manually, did not work, now want to deselect it again?
[21:16] <bekks> the umask 022 is the default.
[21:16] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how can i grab all the out put from htop to a file ... there is a certin presss running that has lots of pharms, and the gui front end is limited so i want to  modify it for a terminal
[21:16] <baibu> bla bla bla
[21:17] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: it run in degraded mode
[21:18] <Tony> bekks: do you know how to set this persmissions o the user files are coming with 755
[21:18] <bekks> Tony: They are set like that by default.
[21:18] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: Is it possible that it has been running in degraded mode for a very long time?
[21:18] <Tony> bekks: it appears that that only applis to directories
[21:18] <Tony> applied to direcotries, whent the use creates a file, they are showing as 644
[21:19] <bekks> Tony: 755 applies to directories, due to the execution flag, which is not needed for files, thus they are 644 by default.
[21:19] <bekks> Tony: You dont want to set 755 on _all_ files, since thats not needed.
[21:19] <llutz> Tony: umask 0022 makes dirs (base permission 777) 755 and files (666) 644
[21:19] <Tony> bekks: but I want the users files to have 755 by default
[21:19] <bekks> Tony: Why?
[21:19] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: no
[21:19] <Tony> the users wants it that way
[21:19] <bekks> Tony: Why do you want a stock text file to be executable?
[21:20] <llutz> Tony: you cannot use umask for that
[21:20] <Tony> most of the files are web pages and they have to have the rx bits set
[21:20] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> what was that one way you can list a running process, i think i had 'ps' or 'eq' in it
[21:20] <bekks> llutz: You have to use ACL then.
[21:20] <Tony> otherwise the webserver can read them
[21:20] <llutz> bekks: tony has to
[21:20] <Tony> the user doesn't want to chmod the files, he wants it automatically done
[21:20] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: I started repairing system 2 hours after it failed
[21:20] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: the system contain web servers, database....
[21:20] <bekks> Tony: And the webserver can read them, but cant execute them. If it is configured like that, reconfigure the webserver.
[21:21]  * baibu slaps [deXter] around a bit with a large trout
[21:21] <Tony> bekks: pointer on using acl for this purpose
[21:21] <baibu> cade seu cowboy?
[21:21] <llutz> can any op please show baibu the door, thanks
[21:21] <dev__> I want to launch 3 basic servers on boot and keep them running in gnome-terminal tabs. I've written up a bash script to do this but the windows all return "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal". Any idea how to do this?
[21:21] <vlad_starkov> with all users data
[21:21] <bekks> Tony: It is nonsense to force a .html/.php/.whatever file to have execution permissions, when the file is just read and then interpreted/executed by the webserver/some API.
[21:21] <bekks> Tony: Its a pretty bad design.
[21:22] <bekks> !acl
[21:22] <Jordan_U> baibu: Please stay on topic and productive.
[21:22] <Tony> bekks: the user is mainly using .css
[21:23] <bekks> Tony: Which do not have to be executed. They do not contain anything executable.
[21:23] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: I can't understand why it look like a virgin if I have 1 of 2 HDD in 100% health. Another one is in recovery process for the moment.
[21:25] <holy-one_tpi-usa> how do i connect to tpb on here?
[21:25] <Jordan_U> holy-one_tpi-usa: What is "tpb"?
[21:26] <llutz> The Pirate Bay (tpb)
[21:26] <holy-one_tpi-usa> the pirate bay? they have an irc sever ppi
[21:27] <giulio> hi
[21:27] <holy-one_tpi-usa> not sure how to connect
[21:27] <giulio> !list
[21:27] <llutz> holy-one_tpi-usa: ask in #freenode
[21:27] <Jordan_U> holy-one_tpi-usa: This is Freenode, not the pirate bay's servers.
[21:27] <holy-one_tpi-usa> kk thanks
[21:28] <bfig> hello, i'm wondering, what is the easiest way to connect to a l2tp vpn?
[21:29] <bfig> (with shared secret)
[21:31] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: The only explanation that I can think of for the symptoms you're seeing is this, where "drive A" is the drive you've removed, "drive B" is the other drive that was in the RAID originally, and "drive C" is the new drive: Shortly after installing your system (while it still didn't have much software installed or data created) drive B failed to be added to the array for some reason (maybe hardware, maybe software) and ...
[21:31] <Jordan_U> ... since then you've been running in degraded mode using only drive A. After seeing that drive A was having hardware issues, you replaced it with drive C and tried to sync C with A, but A hasn't been part of the RAID for a long time. Hence you are brought back to the very early state before A was (somehow) removed from the array.
[21:31] <sscorrea> bfig, have you already installed l2tp vpn client?
[21:32] <bfig> i tried, but it didn't let me put the shared secret anywhere
[21:32] <chiluk> urgodfather, how's it going missed your last update.
[21:32] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: Make that last sentence "before B was somehow removed from the array."
[21:32] <bfig> sscorrea, ^
[21:33] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: I see your point. I'll check data availablity on removed drive.
[21:33] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: In other words, most of your data exists only on drive A, which is unfortunate given that drive A is having hardware problems.
[21:33] <sscorrea> l2tp-ipset vpn?
[21:33] <sscorrea> bfig, did you install l2tp ipset vpn?
[21:34] <nyc-h0st> guys, odd problem ,grub keeps trying to install to sda during installation, is there a way to change it to install to sdc? i cant change the order the drives are reported
[21:34] <bfig> sscorrea, yes... the gui doesn't let me input the shared secret anywhere
[21:34] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: so you mean that drive B and drive C are healthy?
[21:35] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: and drive A is faulty and now I sync drive B with new drive C?
[21:35] <sscorrea> bfig, go to the PPP tab, check ms-chap and ms-chapv
[21:35] <sscorrea> add your user and password
[21:35] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: Only because you seemed to be assuming they were. It may be that at least drive B is unhealthy as that would explain it not being a part of the array for so long.
[21:36] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: And I'm also assuming that by "healthy" you're reffering only to the hardware itself, not the data contained therein.
[21:36] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: so is there a chance that I removed the wrong drive – drive A and I should put it back and remove drive B
[21:37] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: healthy – only hardware sure
[21:37] <nyc-h0st> anyone? is there a way to update the MBR on a drive other than the first during install?
[21:37] <llutz> nyc-h0st: sudo grub-install /dev/sdX
[21:38] <nyc-h0st> llutz, i assume i'd have to boot using the cd post-installation to do that?
[21:38] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: Yes, there is that chance. I haven't worked much with mdraid so I don't know how likely it is that this could happen, but probably the worst thing that could happen right now would be for the data on drive C or B to be mirrored onto drive A, overwriting all your actual data, so be careful to avoid that.
[21:39] <llutz> nyc-h0st: i'd guess so. you also could try to open a terminal while installing and issue the command there
[21:39] <nyc-h0st> tried that already :)
[21:39] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: before I put back drive A I'll clone it.
[21:39] <nyc-h0st> ok, thx
[21:39] <llutz> nyc-h0st: sry i'm not familiar with the live-cd/installation
[21:39] <vlad_starkov> to external drive
[21:40] <Jordan_U> nyc-h0st: llutz: You need to at least add a --boot-directory argument to grub-install when installing from a LiveCD.
[21:40] <nyc-h0st> ok, i found a way, kind of lame, but if you hit 'No' to the MBR installer it prompts which drive you'd like to use
[21:40] <p014k> So I am no longer in the sudoers file for my computer....I don't know what I did, but I was trying to change permissions for a directory yesterday via various commands, but at no point did I pess with my username (but only with a guest's username). When I try to do sudo, It says I'm no longer in the sudoers list. I tried doing su, to login as root, but it gives me an authentication error. What is the default su password?
[21:40] <nyc-h0st> i could swear i tried that already
[21:41] <nyc-h0st> anyway, thx guys
[21:41] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: Might as well clone it using GNU ddrescue. If the drive is fine, it will be just as fast as dd, and if it is damaged then GNU ddrescue will likely recover more data.
[21:41] <llutz> p014k: there is no default password, su needs roots password, which isn't set
[21:42] <p014k> so what do I do?
[21:42] <llutz> p014k: boot in recovery mode or from live-cd and fix sudoers file
[21:42] <phuff> I'm getting Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release when running lxc-create and I'm guessing that I need to redirect lxc-create to the right place to get maverick, but I can't see the proper way to do so in the help for the ubuntu template I've got...
[21:42] <llutz> or your users groups p014k
[21:43] <Jordan_U> p014k: It's most likely that your /etc/sudoers is fine but that you removed yourself from the "sudo" or "admin" group.
[21:43] <p014k> that's probably true, I did change my group...
[21:43] <p014k> I thought I was adding myself to a new group i created
[21:43] <Jordan_U> phuff: Maverick is EOL, please use a supported version of Ubuntu.
[21:43] <sscorrea> just add that group to sudoers
[21:44] <llutz> p014k: let me guess, using "usermod -G group ...."?
[21:44] <sscorrea> through recovery
[21:44] <p014k> ya, lol
[21:44] <phuff> Jordan_U I'd love to, but I need to build for a 10.10 host that is in production :(
[21:44] <vith> i'm trying to set up a ubuntu vm as a vpn gateway for another device on my lan to use. i have the vpn connected and ip forwarding works, but it forwards to my router instead of to the vpn even though traffic generated on ubuntu goes to the vpn. any ideas?
[21:44] <llutz> p014k: usermod -aG   or better adduser user group    next time
[21:44] <phuff> Well, that I have no ability to upgrade, it's technically not in production production.
[21:44] <p014k> So recovery mode then. In that be su?
[21:44] <Jordan_U> p014k: You didn't just add yourself to that group, you set that as the *only* group you were a member of :)
[21:44] <p014k> I'll be*
[21:44] <p014k> Jordan_U: right..:/
[21:45] <sscorrea> yes there you may login as root
[21:45] <Jordan_U> p014k: If you boot into recovery mode you will be able to get to a root shell, yes.
[21:45] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: I'm on Mac. What do you recommend then?
[21:45] <p014k> ok, thx. I'll be back if I don't figure it out :) Thanks
[21:45] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: I'have dd
[21:46] <mah454> Hello
[21:46] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: I would personally boot from an Ubuntu LiveCD/USB and install and use GNU ddrescue, but if you are confidant that the drive is fine dd should work just fine.
[21:47] <Sniperm4n> hey everyone, I have what I hope is a quick question regarding the failover feature of DHCPD in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. can anyone assist? =)
[21:47] <Jordan_U> vlad_starkov: If the drive does have bad sectors then dd will stop at the first error, leaving you with an incomplete image and will will be difficult (though not impossible) to create the rest of the image from blocks that can be read.
[21:48] <mah454> laptop-mode-tools Or tlp ?
[21:49] <bekks> mah454: And whats the full question?
[21:49] <mah454> bekks: for power saving in Laptop
[21:49] <mah454> I want to install some packages ...
[21:50] <bekks> mah454: And whats the full question...?
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> great! Install those packages! that will teach them!
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[21:50] <mah454> now i dont know , what is different laptop-mode-tools and tlp ?
[21:50] <mah454> what package is better ?
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> tlp is a recent 'creation'
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> try tlp and see if it works well for you.
[21:51] <Sniperm4n> I'm replacing a single dying DHCP server with 2 new servers configured with failover. my question is: Do dhcpd.leases and dhcpd.leases~ need to be copied to BOTH the primary and secondary failover peer, or does the protocol sync the file from the primary to secondary?
[21:51] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i made a sh file, it does work when in teminal i do ./Virus_Scan.sh ... How can i make it so when i use "Files" from the launcher, find the file and doubble click it and it will open in a terminal.. Cant even get that far... and now close the terminal when the process is done?
[21:51] <Sniperm4n> and, in turn, automatically keep the files in sync?
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:   best way would be to make a .desktop launcher file for the script that way you get a proper icon.
[21:52] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> this is for a friend who is command line uneducated
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  and have the laucnher run somthing like 'xterm -e /path/to/the/Virusscan.sh'
[21:52] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how do i do the .desktop  Dr_Willis
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  look for an example one such as gedit.desktop and copy/rename/modify it as needed.
[21:52] <vlad_starkov> Jordan_U: OK. I'll start one more attempt.
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> locate gedit.desktop          will show where gedit.desktop is at.
[21:53] <Carter2> So I have a quick question about Ubuntu Server 12.03 -> 13.04
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  how often is he even needing to scan for viruses?  and what av app is the script using?
[21:53] <urgodfather> chiluk: i reinstalled 13.04, didnt need any data. touchpad is working again, as is everything else... EXCEPT that 6235 wifi card. i obtained the ucode from http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi#Download for the card and cp'd into the firmware folder
[21:53] <urgodfather> chiluk: but dont know what to do next
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  http://askubuntu.com/search?q=create+launcher
[21:54] <chiluk> urgodfather, one sec... before I steal your nic...
[21:54] <Carter2> I ran a sudo do-release-upgrade, and went through everything
[21:54] <Carter2> but then after a reboot, it says "new release '13.04' is available.
[21:55] <chiluk> urgodfather,  and anyone else know the name of the package that includes backported wifi drivers?
[21:55] <LuckySMack> im on a fresh install or raring on my laptop, and i have no battery icon in my unity panel. ive tried a few things to try and get it to show but nothing works. changing the power settings does nothing.
[21:55] <chiluk> urgodfather, have you run apt-get upgrade yet?
[21:55] <urgodfather> chiluk: yes, im fully up to date
[21:55] <chiluk> urgodfather, nuts.
[21:55] <chiluk> urgodfather, one sec.
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  askubuntu has some better answers if you sort by 'votes
[21:56] <Dr_Willis>  Roy_Newbie_13-04  http://askubuntu.com/search?tab=votes&q=create%20launcher
[21:56] <Carter2> anyone have any insight on what went wrong with my upgrade?
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> Carter2:  what does lsb_release -a say about your system?
[21:57] <Carter2> hmm, says 13.04
[21:57] <khert> hi all
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> that points to the update-tool being a bit confused..
[21:58] <khert> i have fedora installed and want to dual boot ubuntu. Can i install it directly from the ISO or do i have to burn it to CD first?
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> sounds to me like you are on 13.04 , and the update tool message checks like once a week.. and hassent rechecked
[21:59] <chiluk> urgodfather, check for a firmware update to your router before going any further.
[21:59] <Carter2> ahh, that's re-assuring. Is there a way to force a check?
[21:59] <chiluk> urgodfather, you should be working by now.
[21:59] <Carter2> or remove the update tool even
[21:59] <Dr_Willis> khert:   you can set up grub2 to boot an ISO file if you wanted to. may be easier to just make a bootable USB flash drive however.
[21:59] <urgodfather> chiluk: router is ok... we keep it up to date.
[21:59] <urgodfather> chiluk: bluetooth works fine, just cant connect to wifi
[22:00] <chiluk> urgodfather, can you list any access points?
[22:00] <khert> Dr_Willis, cool, i'll try that
[22:01] <urgodfather> chiluk: yes, i can see all the networks around me that should be there.. and even a few more, just cant connect. just times out and prompts for pw again
[22:01] <chiluk> urgodfather, alright do yourself a favor and check to see if you can connect to any other access point.
[22:01] <Akuma> hello, how can I turn off the dhcp server at startup?
[22:01] <urgodfather> chiluk: tried that lol
[22:02] <urgodfather> chiluk: got it!!!
[22:02] <uroyanme> How do I update java in Ubuntu? thanks
[22:02] <chiluk> urgodfather, because frankly I'm guessing you either have an incompatible router, you are typing the password wrong, or the security settings on your router are somehow not compatible/not new enough to work.
[22:02] <bekks> !java | uroyanme
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> uroyanme:  depends on how you installed java and what one you are using
[22:02] <urgodfather> chiluk: i remember when i purchased the card for myself, i paired bluetooth and then all of a sudden it worked.
[22:03] <urgodfather> chiluk: its connected now :D
[22:03] <chiluk> urgodfather, sounds like a bios/firmware issue with that particular laptop.
[22:03] <chiluk> urgodfather, you shall be ignored henceforth... there really needs to be some kind of karma system in place on this channel... and why don't we have any admins?
[22:04] <urgodfather> chiluk: nah, different laptop, same type of card.
[22:04] <urgodfather> chiluk: ignored? karma?
[22:05] <chiluk> urgodfather, alright whatever man glad you could finally figure it out... I still bet it has something to do with your bios not being 100% compatible with it.
[22:05] <chiluk> urgodfather, also you shouldn't have to use that downloaded firmware...
[22:06] <urgodfather> chiluk: thank you for your patience and help. im gonna do a bios update to cover that too.
[22:06] <urgodfather> chiluk: i shouldnt?
[22:06] <chiluk> urgodfather, it shouldn't be necessary,
[22:06] <chiluk> but you are welcome to test and prove me wrong.
[22:06] <p014k> So I went into the root command line in recovery and tried 'sudo usermod -aG sudo p014k' but it says it cannot lock to /etc/passwd. I then tried echo 'p014k ALL=(ALL) ALL' >> /etc/sudoers' and it said 'read-only filesystem'
[22:06] <p014k> Jordan_U:
[22:06] <urgodfather> chiluk: i dont know if its even being used. all i did is copy it into the firmware folder
[22:06] <chiluk> there should already be firmware for it in /lib/firmware
[22:07] <urgodfather> chiluk: the one i used was specific to that card, from kernel.org
[22:07] <chiluk> urgodfather, ubuntu already ships with firmware for that card.
[22:08] <urgodfather> chiluk: so all i should do is just remove it from the firmware folder?\
[22:08] <chiluk> urgodfather, you might consider reverting by moving out of the way the firmware you just placed in and running apt-get install --reinstall linux-firmware.
[22:09] <chiluk> then rebooting , and checking to see if it still works.
[22:09] <chiluk> urgodfather, I say that because you want to know if updates to linux-firmware are going to break your wifi driver.
[22:09] <chiluk> urgodfather, make sense?
[22:10] <chiluk> urgodfather you have to reboot after replacing firmware fyi..
[22:11] <chiluk> urgodfather, basically you don't want your customer coming back in a month telling you his wifi stopped working after he did an update.
[22:11] <Sniperm4n> anyone have any input? =/
[22:12] <chiluk> Sniperm4n, you might have better luck by just asking your question instead of asking if it's ok to ask.
[22:12] <Learningg> need help http://pastebin.com/B1XGfiRZ
[22:13] <th0r> Learningg, you might try #python or #bash
[22:13] <urgodfather> chiluk: good point. ok so remove that ucode then apt-get install --reinstall linux-firmware
[22:13] <mdfe> Learningg, try #python and paste your code
[22:13] <chiluk> urgodfather, or just move it to your home directory temporarilly.
[22:14] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i copied a .desktop and modify it, but i cant fint it in dash to work with
[22:14] <otak_> p014k: sorry if this has been mentioned before but normally visudo is used to alter /etc/sudoers and also the root device is mounted read-only in recovery mode so you'd need to remount it
[22:14] <urgodfather> chiluk: thats where the original is
[22:15] <chiluk> urgodfather, oh then just move the original back..
[22:15] <LuckySMack> anyone in here familiar with a bug in raring where the battery icon does not show up on a laptop?
[22:15] <chiluk> LuckySMack, no.
[22:16] <urgodfather> chiluk: whats the command to delete it?
[22:16] <LuckySMack> hrmm. i have tried a handful of things but i cannot get my battery icon to show.
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  put it in --> ~/.local/share/applications/      see     http://askubuntu.com/questions/13758/how-can-i-edit-create-new-launcher-items-in-unity-by-hand
[22:17] <chiluk> urgodfather just run the apt-get install --reinstall linux-firmware it will put it back to defaults.
[22:18] <urgodfather> chiluk: ok
[22:18] <chiluk> urgodfather, and seriously man... haven't I helped enough... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=remove+file+linux
[22:18] <chiluk> urgodfather, ;)
[22:19] <urgodfather> chiluk: interesting link
[22:20] <Sniperm4n> Does anyone have knowledge of the failover peer capability in ISC-DHCP-SERVER v3.0?
[22:20] <urgodfather> chiluk: id send ya a beer if i could
[22:21] <urgodfather> chiluk: btw after reboot, does the same thing as before... it connected just that one time.
[22:21] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> ok i found it in the dash, it had no label, i worked, but it open 2 terminals, one was blank, smaller black one did the work then automaticly closed
[22:22] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i want it to stay open ehwn its done
[22:23] <Learningg> need help: http://pastebin.com/efy8FSSx
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Roy_Newbie_13-04: Then it's already creating a terminal window for you. Just have it run your script without the "xterm -e ...".
[22:24] <Learningg> any1?
[22:25] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> in the .desktop file should i set terminal true, default was false
[22:25] <Jordan_U> Roy_Newbie_13-04: And if the terminal it automatically creates goes away at the end of your script as well, then just add a "read" at the end of the script (to have it not exit until the user presses enter), or a "sleep 99999" to have it not exit until the user presses ctrl+c / closes the window / otherwise kills the script.
[22:26] <Jordan_U> Roy_Newbie_13-04: Setting it to true will work, just make sure that if you do that you're not also manually creating a terminal window (with xterm -e).
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  make your script do a 'read foo' at the end..
[22:30] <OerHeks> Learningg, you might want to try  the #python channel here on #freenode too
[22:31] <th0r> OerHeks, I tried that already...he isn't llistening
[22:31] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> what is the icon for the terminal .desktop
[22:33] <mojtaba> Hi, does anybody know any pdf viewer which has highlighting ability?
[22:33] <chiluk> urgodfather, so it continues to work afterwards though right?
[22:33] <mojtaba> I have tried Xournal, but it is not the one I am interested
[22:33] <chiluk> urgodfather, you just have to connect to bluetooth first..
[22:33] <mojtaba> I want something like the one in MAC OS X
[22:35] <mojtaba> hello?
[22:35] <mojtaba> anyone?
[22:36] <Learningg> yes
[22:36] <AcidUk> hi All
[22:36] <chiluk> mojtaba, I think the one in chrome does... never used os x
[22:37] <chiluk> urgodfather, if you are still having issues you need to start googling for solutions to 6235 + 13.04
[22:37] <misterx> hi there
[22:37] <misterx> is it possible to change the *buntu distribution without a re-install?
[22:39] <misterx> i have a computer with an ancient ubuntu (10.* i think) and want to change to an up-to-day xubuntu
[22:39] <Ben64> misterx: you can go between ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, and ubuntu-gnome very easily
[22:39] <Ben64> misterx: 10.what ?
[22:40] <misterx> Ben64: lucid
[22:40] <Ben64> ok, thats 10.04 so you could upgrade straight to 12.04
[22:41] <misterx> Ben64: yeah, but i want to upgrade from ubuntu 10.4 to Xubuntu 12.04
[22:41] <chiluk> urgodfather, you might also consider a post on ubuntuforums..
[22:41] <Ben64> misterx: then install xubuntu-desktop after you get to 12.04
[22:42] <misterx> Ben64: does that also change the repositories in sources.list ?
[22:43] <Ben64> well upgrading them changes the repos to 12.04 ones
[22:43] <th0r> misterx, xubuntu and ubuntu use the same repos
[22:45] <misterx> th0r: is there any package-list so that i can set up a "vanilla" xubuntu without a complete re-install? ;)
[22:45] <th0r> misterx, no, if you really want a clean xubuntu install you will have to start from scratch
[22:46] <th0r> misterx, but to be honest, I never upgrade...always install from scratch. If you have a separate partition for /home a fresh install is fairly easy
[22:46] <urgodfather> chiluk: i always google first, also, i noticed that the linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, and linux-image-generic are not being updated... could that be the problem?
[22:46] <misterx> th0r: same here…
[22:46] <chiluk> how did you notice this?
[22:47] <misterx> just too lazy to go through the whole installation-process
[22:47] <th0r> misterx, and I use xubuntu myself, btw
[22:48] <misterx> working at a friend's. installed her lucid when it was brand-new but the hardware's too old for unity
[22:48] <misterx> so i have to change
[22:48] <misterx> and since she didn't use the computer at all, i could easily do an installation from-scratch
[22:48] <misterx> …but not via ssh ;)
[22:49] <th0r> misterx, I have used xfce for ages, even on new systems. I would rather reserve the system resources for real work than a pretty interface
[22:49] <nyRednek> ok, how do i migrate a non-encrypted home dir to an encrypted one?
[22:49] <chiluk> urgodfather, that could be a problem...
[22:49] <misterx> th0r: using xfce since the stopped working on gnome2
[22:49] <urgodfather> chiluk: it's a clean install, why wouldn't those update?
[22:50] <misterx> loved it, ever since
[22:50] <misterx> have to admit that lxde/lubuntu is also very nice ;)
[22:50] <chiluk> urgodfather, they wouldn't update if they are at the latest version.. urgodfather what does uname -a print out for you now.
[22:51] <th0r> misterx, I have lxde installed and have played with it. But I have a theme (23oz glass) that is old as the hills, came from E16, and I would really miss it <smile>
[22:51] <urgodfather> chiluk: i manually told it to upgrade those b/c they were in the "not upgraded" category
[22:52] <chiluk> urgodfather, um ok... must have been something you did.
[22:53] <chiluk> urgodfather, what are you using to do the upgrade? ubuntu software center? upgrade manager?
[22:53] <th0r> misterx, http://imgur.com/evAkstX
[22:54] <urgodfather> chiluk: it finished, did a uname -a and it says that its still on 3.8.0-19, but when it did the upgrade (through terminal) it said 3.8.0-21
[22:54] <chiluk> urgodfather don't forget to reboot.
[22:54] <chiluk> th0r are you keeping tabs on me?
[22:54] <urgodfather> chiluk: just did it ;)
[22:54] <th0r> chiluk, no, should I?
[22:54] <chiluk> th0r, maybe you should read backscroll and realize that I've spent almost 5 hours with this guy this afternoon
[22:55] <urgodfather> chiluk: after reboot it says -21 like it should
[22:56] <chiluk> yeah kernel upgrades are one of the few things that requires reboots
[22:56] <chiluk> th0r have anything to add to this technical discussion ?
[22:57] <urgodfather> chiluk: i hate that it only connected that one time
[22:57] <th0r> chiluk, haven't really kept up with it. Been in and out all day, though I did leave the laptop running
[22:57] <chiluk> urgodfather, yeah that's not right..... try using your wifi on off fn-key combo to see if you can get it on ..
[22:58] <chiluk> urgodfather, afaik bios sometimes gets in the way by selectively turning off the wifi card when you think it's on...
[22:59] <th0r> chiluk, I tend not to get into deep techie discussions any longer. I have lived and sailed on my sailboat for 12 years now, frustrations quickly go over the side...would hate to lose my computer
[22:59] <chiluk> th0r++ hilarious...
[23:00] <chiluk> th0r are you posting that to reddit?
[23:00] <Sniperm4n> does anyone here have DHCP failover knowledge? trying to figure out something that relates to the dhcpd.leases file
[23:01] <th0r> chiluk, never gave it any thought to be honest
[23:02] <urgodfather> chiluk: im gonna call it a night. thanks again for your help. im still gonna try that bios update (need to do through windows)
[23:02] <chiluk> urgodfather, you haven't done that yet... shame on you... that was like 4 hours ago.
[23:02] <chiluk> urgodfather, good luck...
[23:03] <chiluk> urgodfather, so I take it this wireless card did not ship with the laptop right?
[23:03] <urgodfather> chiluk: fn key works fine. yeah i know.. havent been on the winblows side plus ive been fixing like 6 other pc's (im a repair tech)
[23:04] <chiluk> urgodfather, so did it ship with the machine or is it aftermarket?
[23:04] <urgodfather> chiluk: no it came with a 6150 that the customer was having problems with on both sides
[23:05] <urgodfather> chiluk: so, we're replacing it with an ubuntu certified wifi card
[23:05] <chiluk> urgodfather, that's what I thought... you might have to add some acpi table entry stuff for grub to amke it play nice.
[23:05] <chiluk> urgodfather, I'm 90% certain this is a bios problem at this point...
[23:05] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how can i make an icon do this, was kind of working now im just lost
[23:05] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> xterm -e encfs ~/.encrypted ~/Private
[23:06] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> working on a different one now
[23:06] <chiluk> urgodfather, night man. wifey just got home.
[23:06] <urgodfather> chiluk: well, if you want, ill be on tomorrow with a status update
[23:06] <chiluk> urgodfather, let me know... although I probably won't be around most of the weekend... still drop me a private message
[23:08] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> would it matter if root or roy ownership of the .desktop
[23:08] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> has*
[23:08] <troko> hello
[23:08] <baal> hello
[23:11] <Guest88887> anyone used qtfm?
[23:12] <goddard> has anyone used qtfm or marlin?
[23:14] <troko> proby
[23:14] <fbdystang> Hi, working with iptables. Trying to do port redirects on a bridged network for virtualbox guests. The only command I can find is for "-nat" networked modes. Please advise. Can this even be done?
[23:15] <satonio> hola, tengo un ubuntu server al que solo puedo acceder por ssh. quiero redimensionar dos particiones (una hacerla mas pequeña y otra más grande). puedo acceder a el sin que ninguna de las particiones involucradas este montada.. alguna idea?
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> !es
[23:16] <satonio> ouch sorry
[23:17] <satonio> i have a ubuntu server and i have only access through ssh. i want to resize two partitions (enlarge one and shrink another). i can access it without neither partitions mounted
[23:17] <satonio> any idea?
[23:17] <th0r> satonio, is there any data on the partitions or are they empty?
[23:18] <satonio> it's not empty
[23:18] <satonio> there isn't any valuable data but it will take time to recover if something fails
[23:18] <satonio> from backup
[23:19] <th0r> satonio, if they aren't empty I don't think fdisk will work...I don't think it will preserve the data.
[23:19] <th0r> satonio, is X installed on the server?
[23:21] <fbdystang> Hi, working with iptables. Trying to do port redirects on a bridged network for virtualbox guests. The only command I can find is for "-nat" networked modes. Please advise. Can this even be done?
[23:22] <troko> fbdystang
[23:23] <proby> fbdystang, #networking
[23:23] <proby> fbdystang, ##networking
[23:23] <satonio> th0r, no it isn't
[23:24] <th0r> satonio, that leaves out X-forwarding and gparted <smile>. I can think of no other options.
[23:24] <satonio> what if i install a x server and then use x-forwarding and then i remove the x-server?
[23:25] <satonio> do you think it will cause problems in the future?
[23:25] <fbdystang> Meaning I should post it in the #networking forum?
[23:26] <th0r> satonio, first, I am not sure gparted would be able to preserve the data, you would have to verify that with maybe someone else here. There is no guarantee that you could even get X running remotely....it isn't the easiest thing to do <smile>
[23:27] <satonio> another idea is to forget about resizing and create a symlink to the other filesystem and place the data in the big partition, did you ever see a huge mysql database in the home partition?
[23:29] <th0r> satonio, haven't worked much with mysql...but am amazed that the present day databases are even usable. I know how much trouble I had keeping a db of 200-300M intact in the old days <smile>
[23:31] <mojtaba> Hi, I have downloaded this file but I do not know how can I install it?! AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.bin
[23:31] <mojtaba> Does anybody know what should I do?
[23:31] <clcto> mojtaba: why not use the repositories
[23:32] <clcto> mojtaba: and you have to make it executable (chmod +x) and then run it ./AdbeRdr...
[23:32] <mojtaba> clcto: I want a pdf viewer which can highlight a pdf
[23:32] <mojtaba> I tried xournal, but I did not like it.
[23:33] <clcto> mojtaba: what about the one built into FF
[23:33] <mojtaba> clcto: what is that? (I am newbie. :-P)
[23:33] <clcto> firefox
[23:34] <mojtaba> clcto: Can I highlight and annotate with it?
[23:34] <mojtaba> how can I open the PDF with it?
[23:34] <clcto> mojtaba: menu>open file
[23:34] <clcto> mojtaba: slash ctrl-o
[23:35] <mojtaba> clcto: It gives warning. This pdf document might not display correctly
[23:35] <mojtaba> Open with different viewer!
[23:35] <clcto> mojtaba: hmm well i told you how to run that file
[23:36] <mojtaba> clcto: I can run it, but I want to be able to highlight and annotate it.
[23:36] <clcto> mojtaba: the adberdr file i mean
[23:36] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, I have used ocular
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> okular
[23:37] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee: I will check it
[23:37] <clcto> mojtaba: http://www.noobslab.com/2013/04/adobe-reader-for-ubuntu.html
[23:37] <mojtaba> clcto: Thanks
[23:37] <sector_> Hallo
[23:39] <ssokolow> My brother's computer is on 12.04 LTS but a recent update broke his nVidia proprietary drivers and now jockey-gtk errors out when I try to reinstall them. The one time I got a meaningful error out of it, it seemed to be saying "can't install nvidia-settings for 310 (experimental) because files in it conflict with the already-installed nvidia-settings for 304 (experimental)" but reinstalling 304 doesn't work either.
[23:39] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee: okular does not have highlighting !
[23:39] <clcto> mojtaba: and its kde, meh
[23:40] <mojtaba> clcto: I am checking your link.
[23:40] <mojtaba> thanks
[23:40] <th0r> clcto, now now, we should be charitable to the performance challenged
[23:41] <clcto> th0r: what?
[23:41] <th0r> clcto, kde.....
[23:41] <xyz_cursor> hi guys.. I already checked google from bottom to top without finding anything to help me... my problem is with WebcamStudio.. it crashes when loading... this is the output: http://pastebin.com/651TXN5s
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, It does, I don't use kde, however found okular to be usable.
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdegraphics/okular/okular.pdf
[23:42] <mojtaba> th0r: What do you mean by that to clcto?
[23:42] <clcto> mojtaba: kde is bad is what he means
[23:42] <th0r> mojtaba, it was a small joke...that apparently only I got <smile>
[23:43] <clcto> lol
[23:43] <mojtaba> th0r: lol
[23:43] <xyz_cursor> can someone take a look at this output to see what is going on? http://pastebin.com/651TXN5s
[23:43] <clcto> dont use pastebin
[23:43] <xyz_cursor> why?
[23:43] <clcto> .com
[23:44] <xyz_cursor> what do you want me to use then?
[23:44] <clcto> ads suck
[23:44] <clcto> gist.github.com is one :)
[23:44] <subman> I have many different desktop environments installed and I don't seem to be able to see them all at my login screen.  There doesn't seem to be a way to scroll through them all.  Is there an alternative that will?
[23:44] <neytiri> hi ima getting a dpkg error when i try to install some software
[23:44] <OerHeks> paste.ubuntu.com is nice
[23:45] <clcto> subman: need to add it to gdm i believe
[23:45] <subman> clcto, I don't know what that means
[23:45] <xyz_cursor> clakes_, there u go https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5602650
[23:46] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: The issue reported is that jnidispatch can't be found in the path.
[23:46] <clcto> subman: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=13466
[23:46] <xyz_cursor> computa_mike, but how can I fix it?
[23:46] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: I founf this on google : http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/12.3/x86_64/libjnidispatch-3.4.0-4.1.1.x86_64.html
[23:46] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: are you on 32 or 64 bit?
[23:46] <subman> clcto, No, that is not the problem.  They are all listed.    You cannot scroll them.
[23:47] <xyz_cursor> 32 bit
[23:47] <xyz_cursor> computa_mike, 32
[23:47] <clcto> subman: ah, dk then
[23:48] <harris> who knows what a makey makey is
[23:48] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: I'll have a look around and see where that file could / should be
[23:48] <xyz_cursor> ok
[23:48] <xyz_cursor> :)
[23:48] <xyz_cursor> thank you
[23:48] <th0r> subman, you can install as many display managers as you like (kdm, gdm, lightdm, etc) and just change /etc/X11/default-display-manager (unless the church of ubuntu has changed that)
[23:50] <OerHeks> harris is it a ubuntu program or what?
[23:50] <thecodeischaos> seems like window managers are basically like themes/skins.... but change physics instead of colors
[23:51] <somsip> OerHeks: seems to be an arduino-type thingy
[23:52] <subman> thanks th0r
[23:53] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: how did you install webcam studio?
[23:54] <xyz_cursor> it comes in a tar file... you decompress it and then do a java -jar webcamstudio.jar
[23:54] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: so - where did you get it from?
[23:54] <xyz_cursor> from the official website :(
[23:54] <xyz_cursor> let me paste the address
[23:55] <computa_mike> http://code.google.com/p/webcamstudio/ ??
[23:55] <xyz_cursor> https://code.google.com/p/webcamstudio/downloads/list
[23:55] <xyz_cursor> yeah computa_mike
[23:56] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: I'l just trying the deb file - but I'm not sure I'll be able to run it - i don't have a webcam
[23:56] <xyz_cursor> I see :( probably it will run
[23:56] <xyz_cursor> but the deb is the old pckg
[23:59] <computa_mike> xyz_cursor: Hi - I just installed the deb file here, and launched it - I get a start menu
[23:59] <ohnonotagain> Whenever I attempt to mount my partition, I get an error saying *unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'* .  If I mount it with *-t ext4* it works.  I think I accidentally changed the header to Linux LVM with sfdisk, but even after setting it back to 83 from 8e, I get this error.  Any help/suggestions?
[23:59] <xyz_cursor> computa_mike, yeah I can get it too.. that is the one I used previously... but the 0.61 version is not working somehow
[23:59] <computa_mike> but the 0.61 is an alpha?