[20:33] <CaptainQuirk> Bashing-om, I actually don't know where to find which chip and release
[20:33] <howarth> okay making progress with the reinstallion of cups which dragged in must of the stuff that was deinstalled
[20:33] <howarth> does ubuntu have the equivalent to Fedora's package groups?
[20:33] <howarth> to that a virtual package would reinstall the destop
[20:33] <howarth> desktop
[20:33] <ioria> CaptainQuirk, lspci -k | grep VGA -A 3
[20:36] <CaptainQuirk> ioria, Bashing-om, I get a line with Kernel modules: i915_bpo
[20:37] <yenclgj5nlw> is it possible to downgrade xorg to get fglrx on 16.10?
[20:37] <ioria> CaptainQuirk, maybe you can pste it ?
[20:37] <howarth> okay
[20:37] <ioria> CaptainQuirk,  i bet SkyLake, btw
[20:37] <howarth> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop looks hopeful
[20:38] <ioria> CaptainQuirk,  _bpo i think is backported
[20:39] <Bashing-om> yenclgj5nlw: no .. is the short answer . IF ya gottsa have FGLRX then release 14.04.(1) has the supported X-server .
[20:39] <CaptainQuirk> http://pastebin.com/0aarGtGb
[20:40] <Bashing-om> CaptainQuirk: pastenin ' lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga ' to see what the chip set is .
[20:41] <CaptainQuirk> is a pastebin link not satisfactory ?
[20:42] <kur1j> Where would I start debugging an issue like this? https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/957757/gtx-1080-amp-kvm-pci-passthrough-to-guest/?offset=2#5033118
[20:43] <Bashing-om> CaptainQuirk: "Yeah works . Now where did you get the driver " As " Regarding i915 vs i915_bpo, I think "bpo" stands for "backported". It contains some fixes found in newer versions of i915 that get backported to ubuntu kernel to fix known issues/add new hardware support." .
[20:45] <CaptainQuirk> The driver must have been installed automatically
[20:49] <Bashing-om> CaptainQuirk: Well yeah, I can accept that .. and on that basis I would think ya doing the best you can do with that chipset .
[20:57] <kur1j> Damn! I think I'm running into a driver bug for this GTX 1080
[20:57] <kur1j> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/957757/gtx-1080-amp-kvm-pci-passthrough-to-guest/?offset=2#5033118 same...exact...issue
[21:00] <energizer> I have a book scan pdf. Can I add pdf metadata table of contents to it?
[21:05] <Xaseron> how can i enable ensurepip for pypy?
[21:08] <Pici> Xaseron: I think you're looking for #python, not #ubuntu
[21:08] <Xaseron> ensurepip is disabled in Debian/Ubuntu for the system python.
[21:09] <Xaseron> the lts upgrade broke my pypy pip setup :-/
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> Xaseron  type   /j #python
[21:14] <mankeletor> hey
[21:15] <mankeletor> how can i mount a second ext4 partition for user?
[21:34] <ruby32_> is there a filemanager like PCManFM that shows a nested directory structure, but with files also? (like in the command-line tree command)
[21:40] <Elion> Hi, I have some trouble with my wifi card, when I start a big download on my lan, it starts at 30M/s and after a few MB it stop downloading and I loose all network capabilities (ping, http, ...) until I disable and enable the wifi again. Here is a gist with more infos : https://gist.github.com/Nox-404/7645b3b7d6eadac64862fccf14551f31
[21:41] <maedox> Ubuntu 16.10; is there some magic in Unity to select icon and exec for an application on the launcher? I have a pycharm.desktop that has worked flawlessly, but in a new version of the app the launcher isn't recognized as belonging to the launched app. It lauches PyCharm, but then adds a new icon to the launcher row.
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> maedox  is there a 'icon= ' line?
[21:50] <maedox> MonkeyDust: yes. https://paste.ubuntu.com/23590609/
[21:52] <maedox> MonkeyDust: the weird thing is that the title for the launcher that was auto-created by Ubuntu is named after one of the projects opened in PyCharm. Even if the app is closed the title remains. Which leads me to believe there is some cache somewhere, but I'm not sure where to look.
[21:53] <Bashing-om> maedox: MonkeyDust We do not want this space " Exec=env XMODIFIERS= /home/paal " before /home do we ?
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> maedox  maybe the icon line needs the full path
[21:54] <blackflow> maedox: this is mine: https://dpaste.de/XXQv
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> Bashing-om  yes, i noticed the space too
[21:56] <ohemdevin> What's a program that you install immediately on a fresh Ubuntu/Debian install? I can't seem to live without Redshift, heh.
[21:57] <ruby32_> xclip, arandr, wmctrl-switch-by-application
[21:57] <blackflow> ohemdevin: vim :)
[21:57] <maedox> the space is there to set XMODIFIERS to nothing. It works though. It launches correctly, it just adds another icon and makes that the active one for the app.
[21:57] <ruby32_> synapse
[21:57] <ericx2x> hey is there a tool like autohotkey that is for ubuntu?
[21:58] <ohemdevin> Yep, I've got vim installed as soon as I got Xubuntu on this computer.
[21:58] <maedox> MonkeyDust: Bashing-om blackflow it has worked before though, so I wonder what changed. I tried the previous pycharm without change. I'll try removing the env stuff from exec...
[21:59] <ericx2x> anyone know how i can automate pressing keyboard buttons and delays for ubuntu?
[21:59] <ruby32_> ohemdevin: also, shutter for screenshots
[21:59] <maedox> ericx2x: xdotool
[21:59] <ericx2x> alright cool, that is what i figured but i failed to find good documentation online. I'll give it another look
[22:04] <Elion> Hi, how can I troubleshoot my wifi card, downloads drop at 0b/s after a few sec and I loose all network capabilities for a few minutes : https://gist.github.com/Nox-404/7645b3b7d6eadac64862fccf14551f31
[22:06] <maedox> oh my bleeping bleep! I found the "cache". A .desktop with X-UnityGenerated=true in it. The bastards! I get that they are trying to be helpful, but still. It exec's the whole long ugly java command instead of the pycharm.sh script. That's why my searching failed. Meh.
[22:12] <Bashing-om> maedox: Good sluething !
[22:13] <MTecknology> Is there such thing as a backport of jabberd2 2.4.0 for ubuntu 12.04? I'm asking because, uhm... for a friend?..
[22:16] <Bashing-om> !info jabberd2
[22:18] <tekeli-li> I just opened a brand new USB flash memory stick. I want to test it for bad blocks and verify its reliability. How may I do so without wearing it out?
[22:19] <Bashing-om> MTecknology: Do not se that there is : http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=jabberd2&searchon=names&suite=precise-backports&section=all >> Sorry, your search gave no results .
[22:20] <MTecknology> Bashing-om: I was aware it wasn't an available backport... was just hoping someone in here might know something beyond. :(
[22:22] <jacekplacek> ppa by ondrej, php 5.6, the current package is 5.6.28-1+deb.sury.org~trusty+1, how can I get previous versions like 5.6.23-2+deb.sury.org~trusty+1 ?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> MTecknology: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jabberd2 says might be possible when the zesty HWE is available in precise ??
[22:25] <jacekplacek> I read here that I should keep my own repo for php packages versioning purposes - http://serverfault.com/questions/677850/ubuntu-14-04-ppa-previous-minor-version-of-php-5-6
[22:28] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: A default run of badblocks will write to every block of the drive exactly once, and that is the minimum for determining that all of the blocks are good. Another option though is to use a filesystem like btrfs that stores checksums of data, which will ensure that you will never read corrupt data (if the drive changes some bits in a file you will get a read error at the filesystem level).
[22:30] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, Will badblocks destroy the existing fileysystem? Thank you for informing me about brtfs.
[22:30] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Yes it will.
[22:32] <tekeli-li> hmm
[22:32] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: You're welcome. You should know if you don't already that btrfs is still a pretty new filesystem, so that may count against it if your goal is reliability.
[22:35] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, Can fsck verify the existing filesystem non-destructively? If so, would that be more or less effective than badblocks?
[22:38] <tekeli-li> Here's the partition table of the device: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23590776/
[22:38] <adamg> so i seem to have run out of space on /boot, but apt-get autoremove doesn't want to get rid of old kernel versions
[22:39] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Are you familiar with the difference between data and metada? What is your end goal here? What are you going to use the USB drive for?
[22:40] <adamg> it's only 230-something mb. So now i'm precariously nuking the initrds of old versions... including the one that's currently running. This is sure to end well.
[22:42] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, I think metadata is "data about data", or in this case pointers to units of data on the disk. The filesystem contains metadata about files which contain actual data.
[22:43] <tekeli-li> I guess
[22:43] <Jordan_U> adamg: I would strongly recommend having a LiveUSB available. I would also recommend (but not as strongly) that you eliminate your separate /boot/ and just allow it to be part of your root filesystem.
[22:43] <adamg> i'm using FDE, i'm not sure if that's why i have a separate boot
[22:43] <adamg> in any case, after the rm, and an apt-get install -f, then autoremove picked up the old ones and I'm back to happy land. I think.
[22:43] <adamg> as long as the new kernel boots :)
[22:44] <adamg> (16.04, originally 14.04, dist-upgraded a few months ago)
[22:44] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, My end goal is to fill the disk with family photos and personal files which will be accessed from Windows and Mac computers.
[22:44] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Correct. A successful fsck run will tell you that the blocks containing the metadata for the files on a given filesystem are probably good. It will tell you nothing about the data blocks, or the free space, or about blocks that are outside that partition.
[22:45] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U,  Before that, I want some assurance that the disk is not defective right out of the box, and that it will store the data reliably.
[22:48] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Will you only have one round of photos? One thing you could do is make checksums of all of the images, copy the images to the drive, then eject the drive and re-insert it (to be sure you're not just reading from cache) and re-check the checksums. Then you can copy the files to 10 other machines and maybe even bring it back to your machine and verify the checksums one last time and be pretty
[22:48] <Jordan_U> sure that all of the data was read properly the other 10 times as well (or you'll know that the drive went bad at some point, and you'll have a good guess as to which files are not properly copied to the other machines).
[22:49] <kur1j> anyone have an idea on how I can debug this error from my NVidia drivers?
[22:49] <kur1j> https://paste.linux.community/view/2e2120f8
[22:51] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, I have about 25 billion bytes (25 GB) of photos and personal files accumulated from multiple machines across years of usage.
[22:51] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Other options are to use badblocks on the entire drive then re-make the partition / filesystem or to just trust that the USB drive is probably good. If using badblocks once on the drive makes the drive meaningfully less reliable then it wasn't very good to start with. It could very well make a cheap drive perform less well (compared to a drive that has never been "filled") especially if the
[22:51] <Jordan_U> drive doesn't support TRIM (which most thumb drives don't).
[22:51] <MTecknology> Bashing-om: I'm confused, where does it say the jabberd2 backport requires something else being backported?
[22:52] <_28Kb> hi, i have problem with NVIDIA drivers on new 16.04 install. Is it possible that there are no drivers for my old GeForce 7300 LE GPU? can anyone help?
[22:53] <ohemdevin> The legacy Nvidia drivers aren't supported?
[22:54] <ohemdevin> Have you checked "Additional Drivers" yet?
[22:54] <CaptainQuirk> Hey guys ! When I set a keyboard shortcut for, say, move from one workspace to another, where is it saved ?
[22:54] <_28Kb> it seems
[22:54] <_28Kb> additional drivers stuck in login loop
[22:54] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, If I must remake the partition table and filesystem, which format and filesystem is well suited for use on both Windows and Mac computers? What can I do about the "trim" problem?
[22:55] <ohemdevin> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia-304
[22:55] <ohemdevin> I have this driver installed on my computer right now.
[22:56] <ohemdevin> I also have an older GPU than you, if the model number is anything to go by.
[22:56] <ohemdevin> Maybe you have the 'restricted' repo disabled?
[22:56] <ohemdevin> GPU: GeForce 6150 LE
[22:56] <_28Kb> no
[22:57] <_28Kb> system offers me drivers, but they are not working
[22:57] <_28Kb> 304 package
[22:57] <_28Kb> and 173 is no longer supported
[22:57] <Rochvellon> _28Kb: 304 should be good for you
[22:58] <_28Kb> i tried many ways
[22:58] <ohemdevin> Maybe you'll be able to install the 304 driver via the command line?
[22:58] <_28Kb> i did that
[22:58] <_28Kb> 304 is current
[22:58] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Not much that you can really do about the drive slowing down after being filled up, and if it's a drive that will do that from badblocks then it will also do so with normal copying of files onto the drive eventually.
[22:59] <_28Kb> i even installed 304 from nvidia site
[22:59] <_28Kb> blacklisted nouveau
[22:59] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: What size is the drive? Will any of the files be larger than 4 GiB?
[22:59] <_28Kb> did things that i dont even understand... and nothing :)
[23:00] <_28Kb> now i have fresh os install
[23:00] <_28Kb> and i want drivers
[23:00] <Elion> Hi, how can I troubleshoot my wifi card, downloads drop at 0b/s after a few sec and I loose all network capabilities for a few minutes. Some infos : https://gist.github.com/Nox-404/7645b3b7d6eadac64862fccf14551f31
[23:03] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, As shown in the partition table linked above, the disk is approximately 32.1 GB.  I don't think any files are more than 4 GiB. Would a file copy operation fail for files over 4 GiB?
[23:05] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: It would if you decided to go with Fat32 for the filesystem, which is the best in terms of compatability.
[23:07] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, As long as an informative error message is given upon failure of the file copy operation, I will be capable of deciding how to proceed from there.
[23:09] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: You'll definitely get an error message, though I don't remember what is is (in nautilus or when using a cli tool like cp or rsync) but I'm guessing it will be pretty clear, espcecially since you are now aware of the problem.
[23:10] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, The manpage says `-n     Use non-destructive read-write mode.` Will that be good?
[23:13] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, I mean to ask if I should type `badblocks -n /dev/sdc`. The manpage seems to imply that the test is read-only unless other options are given at the command line.
[23:15] <kossae> Trying to debug an ath9k driver wireless card. I've tried most all of the fixes I could find, but it appears that on wake from suspending it is never able to send or receive traffic from my home wifi. A neighbor's open xfinity hotspot works just fine, and I've even played around with different channels on the router with no luck. Ethernet connection works fine anywhere. Here's some info https://gist.github.com/mattdavenport/3c14ef10adb4ff33b264e836de1ff778
[23:19] <Bashing-om> MTecknology: Sorry for the delay . dinner . In the link is the top item : The Zesty Zapus (active development) >> 2.4.0-2 . I would expect in precise IF HardWare Enablement is active .. that shortly after the relese of zesty that this version  "might" be available on precise .
[23:19] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: I would be very surprised if the read only test failed, but you can try it. I think you're probably overthinking this though :)
[23:20] <MTecknology> Bashing-om: but this package is in universe and doesn't get backported
[23:20] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, Not sure how I might be "overthinking", but I'll gladly read any information you wish to share.  :)'
[23:23] <Bashing-om> MTecknology: Ouch ! so true .. universe I do tend to agree, is not backported . Sorry for getting the hopes up .
[23:23] <MTecknology> agree?
[23:24] <Bashing-om> MTecknology: " this package is in universe and doesn't get backported " is what I also think .
[23:24] <MTecknology> ah, I was confused because it's just fact; universe isn't backported
[23:25] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Well, most people would just copy their files to a new flash drive, copy from there to their other machines, and just assume everything worked correctly. I would probably do that, then follow up with rsync on all machines afterward to check that there was no corruption. If you want to just have a reasonably good idea that the drive is good, beyond what you get from the general expectation that
[23:25] <Jordan_U> a new product works, then run destructive badblocks and if the performance of the drive afterward is bad then return the drive.
[23:27] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, The generally poor reliability I've experienced with flash memory devices has given me reason to question whether a "new product works".
[23:29] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, As I understand the badblocks manpage, `badblocks` without options is read-only testing. One must supply either the `-w` or `-n` options to do write testing. Is that correct?
[23:30] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: Understood, and I do agree that this is one area where what "most people would do" is not really a good idea for important files. But for example rather than worrying about wearing out or slowing down the drive by testing it, you should just test it and return the drive if either problem happens.
[23:32] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, Very well. Shall I test the drive with `badblocks -n /dev/sdc`, `badblocks -w /dev/sdc` followed by remaking the partition table and filesystem, or some other command?
[23:36] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone.  I would like to buy a laptop to run Ubuntu on natively.  Here is a description of my needs: http://ideone.com/J3OO5H  Looking for recommendations.
[23:36] <Jordan_U> tekeli-li: It looks like yes, a read only test is done if no other parameters are passed. No sense doing a test with -n if you're only going to follow it with a test with -w. Note that -n *does* write to every block of the drive, it just tries to ensure that the bits on the drive before running badblocks and after running badblocks are the same (barring hardware failure).
[23:38] <sjLonghorn72> Hi all, running YY with a self-built 4.9 kernel on a Dell XPS 15.  I've been having sporadic problem with suspend on lid-shut not working, and getting home to find a scorching hot laptop in my backpack.   I thought there was supposed to be something in ACPI that automatically forced shutdown in this case...
[23:38] <sjLonghorn72> Any suggestions on how to proceed?
[23:39] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, `badblocks -n /dev/sdc` it is then. I'll be doing a little more research on my own before I proceed. Thank you very much.   :)
[23:39] <sjLonghorn72> Logs seem to indicate it's an issue with brc wifi -- Dec  6 18:18:05 migdol-dell kernel: [32944.450300] brcmfmac: brcmf_pcie_pm_enter_D3: Timeout on response for entering D3 substate
[23:40] <sjLonghorn72> I do get several ACPI warnings on boot
[23:44] <engpy> I have some program files I can't get rid off. sude apt-get remove(or purge) filenames wont remove them. And there is easier way to get rid of all related files even they are in diffferent dirs?
[23:44] <engpy> sudo*
[23:50] <Bashing-om> engpy: --purge will not remove config files in the /home directory .. where and what are these files that are not removed ?
[23:56] <engpy> Bashing-om; they are in usr/share/
[23:57] <Ben64> "and what are these files that are not removed ?"
[23:58] <Jordan_U> engpy: apt doesn't support providing a file name as a way to do something with the package that file is from. So you can't "sudo apt remove /usr/bin/firefox" (though that is a feature of yum/dnf that you might remember using in an RPM based distro). You can "dpkg -S /usr/bin/firefox", which will tell you that the "firefox" package is what contains that file, then you can "sudo apt remove firefox".
[23:59] <engpy> actually it is from xchat-gnome - I did remove the client with sudo apt-get remove xchat-gnome, but that file is still there and I can't touch it.


[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #21552 in xfonts-core (main) "core fonts aren't registered with defoma" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/21552
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #133481 in compiz (main) "Videoclips don't play with the Desktop Effects enabled (dup-of: 111257)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133481
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #133503 in xorg (main) "[Gutsy]  Screens And Graphics on ATI" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133503


[08:26] <ronny> hi
[08:27] <ronny> anyone got an idea on how to set up netbeans6.1 from intrepid to work with tomcat6 - everything seems to be messed up (as netbeans expects the catalina stuff to be in a conf subdir, but ubuntu doesnt seem to have those in /usr/share/tomcat6 or /etc/tomcat6


[00:39] <valorie> akgraner: jono might have some good input
[00:40] <valorie> because of http://opensourcebridge.org/
[00:40] <valorie> just a thought
[07:13] <nigelb> why does my troll alarms ring about now :/
[08:03] <AlanBell> indeed
[10:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:14] <issyl0> Pendulum: I'll get the questions to you within two hours of now.  And a photo.  :)
[19:14] <issyl0> Pendulum: sorry for the delay :/
[20:15] <Pendulum> issyl0: no worries
[20:26] <issyl0> Pendulum: PM?
[20:27] <issyl0> Pendulum: please?
[20:29] <Pendulum> issyl0: yep go for it
[22:30] <czajkowski> hypatia: happy belated canada day
[22:36] <IdleOne> As official representative of the Canadas I thank you.
[22:36] <IdleOne> :)
[22:48] <valorie> lol
[22:48] <valorie> oh, Canada....
[22:48] <valorie> I love the Canadian national anthem
[22:48] <valorie> it's actually singable


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[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[12:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:57] <lazyPower> o/


[02:00] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Word of caution: Latest frameworks breaks ubiquity mid-install. We know this because when I was updating for the oem-install for kfocus the latest frameworks upload to kubuntu backports caused ubiquity to reproducibly crash when installing.
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> This could be an issue with Kinetic.
[02:05] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Will test Kinetic ASAP and file a bug if needed.
[02:06] <arraybolt3> I don't have any Kinetic Kubuntu image yet, so it will take quite a while to download.
[02:16] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I don't think Kinetic has it yet, but it will.
[02:17] <Eickmeyer> Created a headache for me today with the focus jammy OEM images.
[02:18] <arraybolt3> OK. I'll keep an eye out. (BTW, for anyone who's stuck without a Kinetic image but has a Jammy one, looks like zsync can morph the one into the other! Gonna find out how well it works.) Is there a way to make it happen in Jammy easily so we can get a bug report out ahead of time? Is that OK to do?
[02:18] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: ^ Yeah, that's how I get my Kinetic images when the new cycle starts. Pretty handy.
[02:19] <arraybolt3> Image was over halfway complete! Woot!
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: As for getting a bug report ahead of time in Jammy, no. Needs to be done in Kinetic.
[02:20] <arraybolt3> If it's not in Kinetic yet, maybe I should wait. I'm fighting with a security vulnerability in Ubuntu, and almost have the bug report ready. (And yes, I am marking it as a vuln, so it's not going to go public until it's fixed or is determined to be not that big a deal by people more knowledgable than me.)
[02:21] <arraybolt3> OK, will be monitoring Kinetic and making a report once it's time.
[02:26] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Basically, my goal is to figure out how frameworks 5.94 breaks ubiquity, figure out how it's fixed in ubiquity (because good luck fixing it in frameworks) and backporting that fix to jammy via SRU because then kfocus would benefit as the oem ISO image stays updated.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Maybe a silly question, but how would one install the bad frameworks version into a live ISO and then get it to stick so that ubiquity can be run with the broken setup?
[02:30] <arraybolt3> Or is there a way to build an installer? Like, maybe install Kubuntu, install the bad frameworks version, then install ubiquity and put the necessary configs and image where it wants so the installer can be run from within a fully installed system?
[02:35] <Eickmeyer> Well, the frameworks isn't bad, per se, it's just ubiquity-kde is making a qt call that has been revised or something in kf5.
[02:35] <Eickmeyer> We'll figure it out eventually, it's just not urgent.
[02:36] <Eickmeyer> The new kf5 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and ubiquity is... ubiquity.
[02:36] <Eickmeyer> Not useful for diagnosis unless it's installing a system though.
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Right, but don't you have to reboot in order to get the frameworks to kick in? And if you do that on a live ISO, doesn't that flush everything you just did?
[02:37] <arraybolt3> (I just want to reproduce the bug so I can help figure out why it's messing up Ubiquity.)
[02:38] <keithzg[m]> Wouldn't think a reboot would be necessary, absolute worst-case scenario I'd imagine restarting the display manager would do the trick
[02:38] <arraybolt3> keithzg[m]: Nice, didn't know that! Should be easy to reproduce the bug then.
[02:42] <keithzg[m]> Yeah, nearly only the kernel should ever *need* a restart for updates to take effect (and even then there are some ways to avoid needing to reboot), people tend to just restart because it's easier to do and remember than restarting specific components! Many a time I have `sudo service sddm stop` 'd and `start` 'd (or the system's equivalent) for one reason or another, out of stubbornness on my part or a problem's ;)
[02:44] <arraybolt3> keithzg[m]: Man, I usually reboot after every upgrade unless it's obviously not gonna need it. Is there some way to make systemctl restart everything that needs it? (OK, this is becoming support, so feel free to answer me in #kubuntu if that's better.)
[05:46] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: arraybolt3: kinetic has latest frameworks 5.94
[05:48] <RikMills> latest kinetic iso test installing.....
[05:51] <RikMills> successful intsall on kinetic. no crash
[06:02] <RikMills> keithzg[m]: easiest way is to change the iso boot line to boot to the rescue prompt. use systemctrl to enable networking. install ot make whatever change you want. then resume boot
[06:02] <RikMills> then you start graphical things as if the iso had the changes you made
[06:15] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Hmm. So maybe it's something specific to Jammy. I'm about to find out.
[06:19] <arraybolt3> (Just for anyone else here who's doing a lot of VM stuff, try gnome-boxes. I've been fighting with virt-manager for LONG, just gave Boxes a try and am instantly loving it.)
[06:42] <RikMills> packaging for the 5.25 beta tomorrow nearly done :D
[07:05] <arraybolt3> Confirmed - Kubuntu Kinetic works.
[07:47] <arraybolt3> RikMills: Eickmeyer: Crud. I can't even get the latest frameworks installed into Jammy to test it in a live session. It gets to something about kio (I don't remember if it was unpacking or setting up), then the desktop vanishes and I get a lot of interesting error messages on the console that appears.
[07:48] <RikMills> maybe not enough space
[07:49] <arraybolt3> It has like 1.5 GB free, and only wanted ~800 MB.
[07:49] <arraybolt3> (In the live session. I gave the VM 4 GB RAM.)
[07:49] <arraybolt3> I can read the error messages if that would be helpful.
[14:00] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. I wonder what broke it then.
[14:00] <Eickmeyer> Might be good news though, because that means it'll have to be fixed for 22.04.1 since it's independent of frameworks.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all