[03:59] <malamsu> hi all
[04:01] <malamsu> i want to share some files with windows xp using ad-hoc. does any one know?
[20:33] <wwwojcieh> hello, any teacher here ??
[22:26] <markvandenborre> anyone around here with basic gtk and gstreamer skills?
[22:26] <pygi> just ask
[23:15] <markvandenborre> pygi: http://blog.markvdb.be/2008/01/oh-flying-spaghetti-monster-music.html
[23:15] <markvandenborre> don't be distracted by the url, it's actually on topic
[23:16] <pygi> haha :)


[13:43] <mulbs> hey, i don;t really run ubuntu, but for some reason i have decided openbox needs an ambience theme, however, i'm a little confused by exactly what i should be working off
[13:43] <mulbs> i can't run unity, so i'm basing it on a slightly hacked metacity theme (the one from bzr does not seem to work with debian)
[13:45] <mulbs> http://david.chalkskeletons.com/files/themes/obambiance_u.png is where i am at


[01:19] <mhall119> czajkowski: pleia2: emails sent, if one of you could approve the one to community-announce
[01:21] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1byjjd/uds_1305_dates_and_changes_announced/ could use some upvotes too, if anybody is around to do so
[01:24] <pleia2> mhall119: done
[01:26] <SergioMeneses> mhall119, done
[01:26] <SergioMeneses> btw hi everyone!
[01:26] <SergioMeneses> everybody
[01:26] <SergioMeneses> lol
[01:26] <mhall119> thanks guys
[01:30] <SergioMeneses> mhall119, no worries
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <benonsoftware> Evening dholbach
[07:30] <dholbach> hey benonsoftware
[07:30] <benonsoftware> How's it going?
[07:31] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[07:32] <benonsoftware> Good also, on holidays currently.
[07:32] <dholbach> sweet :)
[09:33] <dholbach> dpm, around? :)
[09:33] <dpm> hey dholbach, yes
[09:33] <dholbach> do you have time for a call?
[09:35] <dholbach> dpm, ^?
[09:36] <dpm> dholbach, sure!
[09:36] <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/46b56e5938f70d0f56c32ea33d2f1d18969475dd?authuser=0&hl=de
[09:37] <dpm> dholbach, actually, just a sec, now my camera does not work
[09:38] <dholbach> dpm, take your time :)
[09:39] <dpm> I can't believe it, laptop broken and now the camera won't work on the desktop :/
[09:39] <dholbach> and the mic doesn't work either?
[09:39] <dpm> yeah, that's the issue
[09:39] <dpm> I'm using the camera's mike
[09:39] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:39] <dpm> rebooting to see if that sorts it out, brb
[09:40] <dholbach> *cross fingers*
[09:40] <smartboyhw> dholbach: How's your morning?
[09:40] <dholbach> smartboyhw, going all right - how's your day? :)
[09:41] <dholbach> I'm working with friends this morning which is nice - I might move in with them into a small office next month
[09:41] <dholbach> we'll talk about it in the lunch break later on
[09:42] <dpm> dholbach, ok, I'm back, didn't even need to reboot. Let's try again
[09:42] <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/46b56e5938f70d0f56c32ea33d2f1d18969475dd?authuser=0&hl=de
[13:24] <dholbach> bkerensa, lfaraone: did you hear back from Google?
[13:24] <lfaraone> dholbach: Unfortunately Ubuntu was not accepted this year.
[13:24] <dholbach> did they give a reason?
[13:24] <smartboyhw> dholbach, you said we will hear something after your lunch break?
[13:24] <smartboyhw> lfaraone, :(
[13:25] <dholbach> lfaraone, might be good to document it maybe on the wiki page in case people ask and so we can improve things next time
[13:25] <dholbach> smartboyhw, ah no - that was me talking about the office I might move in to
[13:25] <smartboyhw> dholbach, LOL
[13:26] <dholbach> and maybe a heads-up on the soc mailing list would be good too
[13:26] <dholbach> the ubuntu-soc list I mean
[13:27] <czajkowski> dholbach: bkerensa mentioned there was a follow up meeting in the future so they can get feedback on the application
[13:27] <czajkowski> 20:18 < bkerensa> czajkowski: thanks... There is a meeting on the 19th in #gsoc so declined orgs can get a better understanding of the reasons as  to why they were declined... So I might attend that so we have a better understanding and can improve our application next year
[13:27] <dholbach> I'll inform Jane, Katherine and Rick
[13:27] <dholbach> thanks
[13:28] <czajkowski> np
[14:14] <dholbach> dpm, are you free to have another call?
[14:14] <dpm> dholbach, yes, just finished lunch
[14:14] <dholbach> great
[14:15] <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/fcc214ded40b2f85190665445f7d35fc66444c48?authuser=0&hl=de
[14:16] <dpm> dholbach, I'm there in a sec
[14:20] <dpm> now for real
[14:20] <dholbach> I don't believe it :)
[14:21] <dpm> my computers hate me
[14:22] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/fcc214ded40b2f85190665445f7d35fc66444c48?authuser=0&hl=de
[14:33] <mhall119> upvotes please: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1bzobg/building_an_ubuntu_sdk_app_rev_2/
[14:35] <dpm> dholbach, argh, sorry
[14:35] <dpm> dholbach, anyway, we were just wrapping up, thanks for the update and let's talk tomorrow morning again
[14:36] <dholbach> dpm: I'll never take the time to ever say good bye to you again! outrageous!
[14:36]  * dholbach storms out
[14:36]  * dpm hides
[14:37] <dholbach> :)
[14:37]  * smartboyhw gives dholbach a cup of German beer (since dholbach comes from Germany)
[14:38] <dholbach> smartboyhw, not yet - still at work ;-)
[14:38] <smartboyhw> dholbach, I mean that to calm ya down:P
[14:38] <balloons> jcastro, here's another cat picture for yourself and jono..  http://24.media.tumblr.com/7fc46e5c834f951340b7a55c9f41ff35/tumblr_mi2mpaefSv1s221yco1_500.jpg
[14:38] <balloons> have you seen that one?
[14:38] <dholbach> smartboyhw, it's fine :)
[14:38] <jcastro> nice!
[14:38] <jcastro> http://exitlightsign.ytmnd.com/
[14:39] <balloons> lol.. my poor speakers exploded :-)
[14:39]  * mhall119 closed that tab just in time then
[14:40]  * balloons notes he now has to go listen to the rest of the song or that phrase will be stuck all day
[14:45] <dpm> upvoted, nice work mhall119
[14:46] <mhall119> thanks dpm
[14:58] <popey> anyone (dpm?) know someone who has themed doxygen docs? http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/ needs "Ubuntu-ifying"..
[14:58] <popey> basically style sheet fiddling
[15:00] <dpm> popey, we don't have any ubuntu-doxygen-themed docs unfortunately. The theme we've got on d.u.c for the SDK is for qdoc only :/
[15:05] <smartboyhw> dholbach and balloons when is the time span (i.e. from xx:00 to yy:00 UTC) for vUDS-13.05?
[15:10] <balloons> smartboyhw, ?
[15:10] <balloons> I'm UTC-4
[15:10] <smartboyhw> balloons, no I mean when will it start and end
[15:11] <smartboyhw> I want to set up an Doodle poll for the Ubuntu Studio team session.
[15:11] <balloons> probably similar timeframe smartboyhw
[15:11] <balloons> I don't know atm
[15:11] <smartboyhw> balloons, i.e.?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Oh:(
[15:11] <chilicuil> smartboyhw: 1400 UTC to 2000 UTC acording to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/09/uds-13-05-ubuntus-second-online-developer-summit/
[15:11] <smartboyhw> chilicuil, thanks for info:)
[15:11] <balloons> chilicuil, :-)
[15:12] <chilicuil> np
[15:12] <elfy> good day balloons
[15:14] <balloons> howdy elfy
[15:14] <balloons> it's exciting times for QA.. this is the big finish!
[15:15] <elfy> I've been completely out of the race this time around
[15:18] <smartboyhw> elfy, you have work. Work is more important than this after all.
[15:19] <dholbach> dpm: woah... did you ever look at the graph down at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-security-application-isolation? :)
[15:20] <dpm> dholbach, I had looked at the individual blueprints, I didn't know about the overall topic in LP, no. Looks ...
[15:20] <dpm> ... daunting
[15:20] <dholbach> yes
[15:20] <dpm> :)
[15:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: when creating BP's for 13.05 vUDS what are we targeting for series since we do not have a name yet
[15:28] <smartboyhw> bkerensa, wasn't there an s-series milestone?
[15:33] <mhall119> I think there is
[15:33] <jcastro> Is there a way to reuse a Hangout URL?
[15:33] <jcastro> like if I wanted /weekly-team-meeting non changing url or something to put on a webpage
[15:34] <mhall119> bkerensa: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/s-series
[15:34] <mhall119> jcastro: you can have named hangout urls, but I don't know if they can be on-air
[15:35] <jcastro> okey
[15:35] <bkerensa> mhall119: who will be approving BP's for Community?
[15:36] <mhall119> bkerensa: jono most likely
[15:36] <smartboyhw> bkerensa, jono + balloons + dholbach
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Three of them
[15:36] <smartboyhw> XD
[15:41] <IdleOne> in the opposite order
[15:41]  * IdleOne reads mhall119's blogybits
[15:43] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, come on.
[15:43]  * IdleOne gets on
[15:44] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, it doesn't matter for the order I think
[15:44] <dholbach> all right my friends - I'll see you all tomorrow
[15:44] <dholbach> hugs!
[15:44] <IdleOne> night
[15:56] <jcastro> bah
[15:56] <jcastro> stupid ACLs
[15:56] <jcastro> who has write access to the fridge calendar?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> jcastro, /me points at pleia2
[15:57] <czajkowski> pleia2: doesn't scale
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Or akgraner
[15:57] <smartboyhw> ?
[15:57] <czajkowski> just mail the news team and they can fix it
[15:58] <akgraner> jcastro, what's up
[15:58] <akgraner> how can I help
[15:58] <czajkowski> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/submit-news/
[15:58] <czajkowski> is the correct way to do it
[15:58] <jcastro> akgraner: heya, I keep losing my fridge calendar right priviledges
[15:58]  * smartboyhw only does summaries for UWN but not fridge:(
[15:58] <akgraner> jcastro that is weird - one sec
[15:58] <pleia2> smartboyhw: please don't tell people to ask me
[15:58] <pleia2> thanks czajkowski :)
[15:58] <jcastro> czajkowski: I know news, events, not so much
[15:58] <czajkowski> pleia2: I am trying people dont seem to get it though :/
[15:58] <jcastro> jcastro: pleia2 does it.
[15:58] <smartboyhw> pleia2, I thought you are:P
[15:59] <czajkowski> same things happesn to me and I come back to pointless pings
[15:59] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[15:59] <pleia2> you can join #ubuntu-news
[15:59] <mhall119> pleia2: the community is very likely to grind to a halt while you're away
[15:59] <pleia2> mhall119: haha
[15:59] <czajkowski> mhall119: exactly so book mark the frige how to submit news :)
[15:59] <jcastro> I hear pleia2 is buying everyone lunch today
[15:59] <pleia2> anything having to do with fridge/news/etc - all #ubuntu-news :)
[15:59] <mhall119> czajkowski: I've done it once now, so I know
[16:00] <mhall119> pleia2: you gonna drive over to get it?
[16:00] <mhall119> jcastro: I meran
[16:00] <mhall119> mean
[16:00] <mhall119> ok, more coffee...
[16:00]  * pleia2 needs *some* coffee
[16:02] <akgraner> jcastro, fixed - you need to remember what email address to use ;-)
[16:02] <jcastro> thanks. :)
[16:02] <jcastro> pleia2: hey look, you didn't need to do anything!
[16:04] <bkerensa> oh akgraner is alive on irc
[16:05] <akgraner> bkerensa, I am always around IRC - I have just learned the art of silence :-)
[16:05] <bkerensa> akgraner: znc-push + pushover app ftw!
[16:06]  * akgraner has to look that up :-)
[16:07] <bkerensa> akgraner: it basically is a module for the znc irc bouncer that sends push notifications whenever another user says your name and then delivers them to the pushover app
[16:08] <akgraner> yeah - just googled it - and reading about it   - thanks - bkerensa
[16:41] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1bzy4c/looking_to_deploy_openstack_ubuntu_has_you_covered/
[16:44] <bkerensa> jcastro: I really think your team should submit to r/linux sometimes :)
[16:44] <jcastro> why?
[16:44] <bkerensa> r/ubuntu is mostly users where r/linux is huge and has devs
[16:44] <jcastro> I don't do kernel stuff
[16:44] <bkerensa> r/linux also is 5x the audience
[16:44] <bkerensa> jcastro: devops
[16:45] <jcastro> r/linux people don't like ubuntu
[16:45] <bkerensa> not all of them
[16:45] <bkerensa> but thats true anywhere you go
[16:45] <bkerensa> :)
[16:45] <bkerensa> just saying the devops will see it in /r/linux not in r/ubuntu much and if devops do see it there they probably already use juju and ubuntu
[16:46] <jcastro> I'll post it on /r/openstack
[16:48] <jcastro> I don't believe your assertion that devops people read r/linux
[16:50] <jcastro> I mean, if you want to submit it, feel free to do so
[19:18] <jcastro> marcoceppi: hey
[19:22] <marcoceppi> jcastro: hey
[19:22] <jcastro> is your office all set up now?
[19:22] <jcastro> like with speakers, etc?
[19:23] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah
[19:23] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTosgp5kjas
[19:23] <jcastro> CRANK THIS
[19:24] <marcoceppi> HA, love the video that accompanies this
[20:45] <bkerensa> jcastro: https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/charms/precise/subway/trunk/+merge/115188
[20:45] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/subway/+bug/1166989
[20:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1166989 in subway (Juju Charms Collection) "Subway charm doesn't deploy" [Undecided,New]
[20:45] <bkerensa> =o
[20:45] <bkerensa> we need that nodejs hook in
[20:47] <jcastro> marcoceppi: SKRHGFEJHRTREJHQRF#$%%@#$QFDGFG
[20:47] <jcastro> 17 leafs
[20:47] <jcastro> 8 _fewer_ than february
[20:48] <jcastro> bkerensa: can you attach the branch to the bug?
[20:48] <jcastro> I can then put it in the queue
[20:49] <jcastro> huh, I wonder why it's not in any queue
[20:49] <bkerensa> jcastro: its now linked... I think what happened is depends changed somewhere if I remember correctly at OSCON last year you guys actually used my branch instead of the one in the charm store
[20:50] <bkerensa> so the MP should fix
[20:50]  * jcastro nods
[20:51] <jcastro> added it to the review queue
[20:51] <jcastro> \o/ ta
[21:10] <marcoceppi> jcastro: Do you even want to know what I scored :)
[21:10] <marcoceppi> jcastro: 4 more than february, 30 for the month, 87 for the year :D


[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[11:51] <icey> ahoy
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> morning
[17:07] <lazyPower> o/


[01:25] <FAJ> hi, i am trying to set up a ppa, but am having difficulties with signing the ubuntu code of conduct...  it says that there is no public key?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> again, try #launchpad
[01:25] <FAJ> lol ;) ok thanks
[01:25] <Hobbsee> oh, and patience, and cross-posting is bad
[01:26] <FAJ> Hobbsee:  i read the topic of devel and thought that it would be more appropriate to ask in here.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> FAJ: ahhh.
[01:26] <FAJ> ya...
[01:26] <FAJ> i was like o you want me in here?  ok i'll go there and post
[01:40] <psusi> anyone else notice a rash of updated packages today that don't look like they should have been ( not security fixes or other high priority big fixes )?
[01:41] <psusi> in Intrepid that is
[01:41] <psusi> I thought only high priority bug fixes were supposed to get into -updates as an SRU?
[01:42] <james_w> psusi: have an example?
[01:42] <persia> psusi, Everything should have been approved by one of the SRU teams.  Check the bugs in the changelogs.
[01:42] <james_w> they should all be approved by the appropriate SRU team
[01:42] <james_w> hello persia
[01:43] <psusi> I'm looking at some.... right now I'm looking at the splix package, which fixed bug #292690, which is not a high priority bug
[01:43] <persia> james_w, Hey.
[01:44] <james_w> persia: how was your holiday?
[01:44] <psusi> hrm... maybe it just never had its priority field set properly but was supposed to be high priority now that I read into it a bit
[01:44] <persia> james_w, It's been good so far.  I've a bit left, but with bandwidth now find that I'm not really as away as I was previously.
[01:44] <james_w> persia: well then, close IRC :-)
[01:45] <james_w> persia: are you in SF now?
[01:45]  * psusi needs to read up more on the SRU process I guess
[01:46] <persia> james_w, heh.  Well, as long as I've bandwidth, I may as well be around.  I am in SF now.
[01:46] <james_w> persia: excellent, I will see you in...some hours then
[01:46] <james_w> tomorrow I guess
[01:47] <persia> Cool.
[03:05] <ScottK> Note that regressions need not be high severity to merit SRU.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> Say, is the "404: Not found" error in flashplugin-nonfree in 8.04 new, or has it been like that for a while?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> have adobe updated their stuff again, then?
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> It would appear so.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> needs another SRU, then!
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> aroo?
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> They offer a .deb for Ubuntu 8.04+ on the web site.  Didn't know that.
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> Oh, I think I know why it's broken.
[03:24] <ScottK-laptop> tonyyarusso: Because it's flash?
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> The url is get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, but Flash 9 is no longer current.  Flash 10 is.
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> ScottK-laptop: that too :)
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: For an SRU, would we need to find where they hid 9, or would 8.04 get upgraded to 10?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: not sure.
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Shall I just file a genericish bug against the package and let someone else figure it out then?
[03:27] <ScottK-laptop> Dapper still has Flash 7 or 8, IIRC.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: well, the obvious answer is "find who usually uploads the package, and if it's the same person all the time, ask them what they want done"
[03:27] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: try fta / crimsun, as they've uploaded the last few
[03:28] <Hobbsee> but if you don't get an answer that way, and there's no existing bug, file one
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> stupid adobe
[04:28] <AnAnt> superm1: Hello
[04:28] <superm1> hi AnAnt
[04:29] <superm1> i believe you've pinged me a bunch during my holiday
[04:29] <AnAnt> superm1: yeah
[04:29] <superm1> i recall sponsoring your package shortly before i left though?
[04:29] <superm1> did something else come up with it?
[04:29] <AnAnt> superm1: I didn't know that it got sponsored (because I forgot to put an LP: #nnnn) !
[04:29] <AnAnt> silly me
[04:30] <superm1> AnAnt, oh and silly me for not catching that! :)
[04:30] <AnAnt> superm1: anyways, I saw dkms today on mentors.debian.net
[04:30] <AnAnt> superm1: I wonder if you know anything about it
[04:30] <AnAnt> superm1: I saw your replies on the ITP too
[04:30] <superm1> AnAnt, ah that's spectacular to hear. there was a discussion that got stirred up on debian devel a few months ago to bring it in
[04:31] <superm1> but i fizzled out and i'm not sure the end result
[04:31] <superm1> do you have a link to the upload to mentors?  i'm hoping it was the same fellow that uploaded it there.  dont want to start seeing things pulled in different directions
[04:32] <AnAnt> superm1: yeah, same guy who filed the ITP that you replied at
[04:32] <AnAnt> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=dkms
[04:32] <superm1> okay very good
[04:32] <superm1> wonder why it took so long for him to put it on mentors though
[04:34] <AnAnt> seems that he based it on Ubuntu package
[04:34] <AnAnt> and you are set as one of the uploaders
[04:36] <AnAnt> can someone help me with this debian bug 507340 ?
[04:36] <AnAnt> although I'm not sure wether it is a bug or not that the Slmodemd user has home dir /, I did decide to fix it, and set the home dir to  /var/log/slmodemd/
[04:39] <AnAnt> yet, when I put this code (http://pastebin.com/m4ebf61d3) in postinst to fix the issue for those who are upgrading sl-modem package, and tried to install the package, I get a seg. fault from postinst
[04:39] <AnAnt> can someone advise me with this ?
[04:44] <RAOF> AnAnt: Is the daemon running at that point?
[04:45] <AnAnt> RAOF: nope
[04:45] <RAOF> Because man usermod says that it'll be most displeased if the user is logged in or running any programs.
[04:46] <AnAnt> there's nothing being run by Slmodemd
[04:59] <superm1> AnAnt, it's based off an old package though...
[04:59] <superm1> hum
[05:00] <mase_work> hey guys, is this the channel where i can get help packaging ?
[05:00] <mdomsch> superm1, re dkms in debian: the manpage patch could be merged upstream
[05:00] <mdomsch> it just s/-/\-/
[05:01] <AnAnt> mase_work: yup
[05:01] <mdomsch> why did David check it into svn.debian.org instead of continuing to point at the upstream git tree?
[05:01] <mdomsch> vcs-svn and vcs-browser
[05:02] <superm1> i'm going to have to send him an email tomorrow about this
[05:02] <superm1> does debian not have a git tree server that would be able to clone to and then just do direct pulls?
[05:04] <mdomsch> alioth says it's in cvs; the package says it's in svn
[05:04] <mdomsch> weird
[05:04] <mdomsch> and set up new mailing lists
[05:04] <mase_work> AnAnt:cool. I have a package which is in hardy and i would like to be able to add a patch to it,  and have apt use that package instead of the one in the hardy repository. I am aware this can be done, but there are alot of other packages which depend on this package so do i need to do repackage all of those as well ?
[05:06] <AnAnt> why repacakge them ?
[05:11] <mase_work> AnAnt: well the package i want to add a patch to is dovecot-common and dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop depend on dovecot. what i would like to do is just add the patch and make the package without having to touch the others
[05:11] <mase_work> but i don't want apt to then clobber the installed dovecot-common package if a security update is released
[05:11] <ScottK-laptop> mdomsch: Generally svn.debian.org just has the Debian packaging, not the upstream source.
[05:12] <mdomsch> ScottK, ah ok
[05:12] <AnAnt> mase_work: sorry, I dunno
[05:26] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I fixed the issues detected by mok0's review of dvdstyler package (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dvdstyler). could someone have a quick review, to check if I still miss something? Thanks!
[05:32] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: what's debian.patch
[05:33] <AnAnt> superm1: I have a question , you asked me to add linux-headers-generic | linux-headers in sl-modem-source Recommends field
[05:33] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: why shall you mention Build dependency on libwxsvg-dev (>= 1:1.0) in changelog?
[05:33] <superm1> AnAnt, yes
[05:34] <AnAnt> superm1: what should I do for Debian ? there is no linux-headers-generic there
[05:34] <superm1> AnAnt, in debian what is the linux headers package called?
[05:34] <AnAnt> AnAnt: there are many packages that provide linux-headers virtual package
[05:34] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: it comes from upstream: they are building the packages with builddebian command, and apply debian.patch before
[05:34] <superm1> AnAnt, what's the most common case though
[05:34] <AnAnt> superm1: dunno
[05:35] <slytherin> persia: howdy
[05:35] <fabrice_sp> and about mentioning explicit dependency: it has been requested by siretart
[05:35] <freeflying> superm1: there has a lot flavours in debian, like 486 686 k7 etc
[05:35] <fabrice_sp> (comment of the 15th of November)
[05:35] <AnAnt> superm1: linux-headers-2.6-486 maybe, since it's description is: Header files for Linux 2.6 on x86
[05:35] <superm1> AnAnt, well so the intention of that is so that you get the most common case
[05:36] <superm1> so you should probably make it $(DEBIAN_MOST_COMMON_LINUX_HEADERS_PACKAGE) | linux-headers-generic | linux-headers
[05:36] <superm1> and that would allow it to work on both debian and ubuntu
[05:36] <AnAnt> would debian approve that ?
[05:36] <AnAnt> I mean approve " | linux-headers-generic " part ?
[05:37] <AnAnt> superm1: is $(DEBIAN_MOST_COMMON_LINUX_HEADERS_PACKAGE), a variable that you just made up ?
[05:38] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: you can document it in an README
[05:38] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: and is this belong to graphics?
[05:39] <superm1> AnAnt, it's a variable i just made up yes :)
[05:39] <superm1> AnAnt, you can ask your sponsor in debian if they would be willing to add the | linux-headers-generic.  i've seen packages where they'll add in a small thing like that if it's the only delta to ubuntu.  it keeps maintenance easiest for all parties then
[05:40] <AnAnt> ok
[05:41] <superm1> AnAnt, so if you were to grab the i386 installer for debian, does it choose the kernel during install time, or it has a basic kernel it installs for everyone and you pick the more appropriate one later?
[05:41] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: will change my comment to README, then, and about graphics: it's the only section for 'multimedia' app (afaik)
[05:41] <AnAnt> superm1: I dont use debian
[05:41] <superm1> AnAnt, if the former, then i'd say you are probably best with a 486 or 686 headers package by default, if the latter, then you should go with what gets installed by default
[05:42] <superm1> AnAnt, then making an educated decision is exponentially more difficult :)
[05:43] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: you mean README.source, right?
[05:44] <AnAnt> superm1: ook
[05:44] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: yes
[05:45] <fabrice_sp> ok
[05:46] <superm1> freeflying, perhaps do you know?
[05:46] <freeflying> AnAnt: you'd better have a look of those modules in debian, to see how do they solve it
[05:46] <AnAnt> freeflying: no package in debian uses dkms yet
[05:47] <freeflying> superm1: I haven't packaged anything relate to kernel :)
[05:47] <superm1> freeflying, but do you use debian? do you know what the default kernel that gets installed is for x86?  or is it selected at install time?
[05:47] <freeflying> AnAnt: you'd better go to debian-mentors @ oftc for help
[05:48] <freeflying> superm1: for me, I selected it manually :)
[05:49] <AnAnt> superm1: I think that a virtual package is enough
[05:49] <AnAnt> superm1: I just looked at openswan-modules-source Recommends: field
[05:50] <superm1> AnAnt, no it's not.  you need to have a default or the alternative virtual package
[05:50] <superm1> if something is depending on virtual package only, that's an error
[05:50] <AnAnt> superm1: kernel-package (>= 7.04), linux-source
[05:50] <superm1> i believe even lintian tells you
[05:50] <AnAnt> superm1: linux-source is a virtual package
[05:51] <freeflying> AnAnt: btw, the way for maintain kernel is different in debian and ubuntu
[05:51] <freeflying> s/kernel/kernel package
[05:51] <superm1> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/virtual-package-depends-without-real-package-depends.html
[05:52] <AnAnt> superm1: openswan is not one of them
[05:52] <AnAnt> superm1: btw, only one package provides linux-source though !
[05:53] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: where is the Homepage in debian/control
[05:54] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: you're right. I lost it in my multiples upgrades of the package.
[05:54] <AnAnt> superm1: probably openswan is not listed in the URL you mentioned, because the virtual package is in Recommends not Depends field
[05:55] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: you really need to hardcode in Depends?
[05:55] <superm1> AnAnt, probably, but it's the same principle.
[05:55] <AnAnt> ok
[05:56] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: yes. this are tools that are used by DVDStyler to generate the DVD.
[05:57] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: perhaps ffmpeg could be deleted because of libavcodec-unstripped being there. I'll try.
[05:59] <fabrice_sp> and I'll move xine-ui to Recommends (but it will be installed by default in Intrepid)
[06:00] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: and do remember document why don't u use the original one
[06:00] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: and do remember document why don't u use the original source tarbal
[06:01] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: just have done it in the README.source :-)
[06:15] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: usr/share/dvdstyler/data/empty_ntsc_ac3.mpg what's this for?
[06:15] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: for generating the default empty menu for NTSC format
[06:15] <fabrice_sp> it's a kind of template
[06:16] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: so dvdstyler can work without it?
[06:17] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: hmm, I don't think so, but I'll try deleting it, to check if it works. Why? Is there copyright issue with this file?
[06:18] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: no, if its not necessary, you can split the package into two
[06:19] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: lack of manpage
[06:19] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: I think it's mandatory, because I remember seeing that file in the generation log
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> manpage is in docs/dvdstyler.1
[06:20] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: ok
[06:22] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: are u sure u have make it installed?
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: In the resulting deb, it's in /usr/share/man/man1, so yes
[06:32] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: ok
[06:37] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: why is data/dvdstyler.desktop changed
[06:41] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: to remove warnings given by desktop-file-validate (last comments of mok0)
[06:45] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: my fault, its a patch :) sorry
[07:01] <fabrice_sp> freeflying: np. Thanks for taking time to review dvdstyler. I've updated REVU with your comments, and will upload a new version to take them into account. thanks again!
[07:03] <freeflying> fabrice_sp: u r welcome
[08:38] <RAOF> Any MOTU/DD crossovers feel like sponsoring a Debian upload?
[08:59] <directhex> any suggestions on how to package batguano-insane upstream which requires a snapshot of openjdk and gnu classpath sources?
[08:59] <directhex> a really big diff.gz, with the extra crap in debian/ ?
[09:00] <Michele> hello ppl :]
[09:00] <Michele> i should change my dput.cf for configure PORT, someone can help me ?
[09:01] <Michele> ho can i set port ?
[09:01] <Michele> *HOW*
[09:02] <directhex> Michele, as in TCP port number?
[09:02] <Michele> yes
[09:02] <Michele> scp method
[09:03] <directhex> don't quote me on this.........
[09:03] <directhex> but consider setting Port for that host in ~/.ssh/config ?
[09:03] <Michele> fqdn = <IP_ADDRESS>     method = scp incoming = ~debomatic/big/ login = debomatic allow_unsigned_uploads = 0
[09:03] <Michele> (my .dput.cf)
[09:04] <Michele> but sshd running in 222 TCP port
[09:04] <Michele> how can i fix it ?
 don't quote me on this.........
 but consider setting Port for that host in ~/.ssh/config ?
[09:05] <Michele> yes i read it :-]
[09:05] <Michele> but i dont know how to really configure it
[09:05] <_ruben> why would you run ssh on a non-standard port?
[09:06] <Michele> _ruben: VM, anyway the problem is other
[09:06] <directhex> ssh config is easy
[09:06] <directhex> Host <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:06] <directhex> Port 222
[09:07] <Michele> ok work
[09:07] <Michele> Thanks directhex
[09:08] <_ruben> why would a vm have its ssh on a diff port? oh well
[09:10] <verwilst> i run ssh on non-standard ports too
[09:10] <verwilst> well, at least on public ip's
[09:15] <_ruben> security through obscurity? rather useless imo
[09:16] <verwilst> nah not really
[09:16] <verwilst> if it was only that, sure
[09:16] <verwilst> but using it on a different port gets rid of any scans
[09:16] <verwilst> which are constant :)
[09:16] <_ruben> only allowing pubkey auth pretty much is all you need for a secure ssh setup
[09:17] <verwilst> you never know there is an ssh flaw that isnt patched or sth
[09:17] <verwilst> :)
[09:17] <verwilst> _ruben: sure, running on another port is just a small step for a secure(d) server :)
[09:18] <_ruben> yeah .. a step back imo .. it breaks more than it 'fixes' .. like with the example which started this discussion :)
[09:18] <_ruben> for production/mission critical stuff, you dont want ssh open to the whole world anyways
[09:48] <slytherin> directhex: why would a package need snapshot of openjdk?
[09:49] <directhex> slytherin, insanity
[09:49] <slytherin> directhex: which project is it?
[09:49] <directhex> slytherin, ikvm
[09:51] <slytherin> directhex: any pointers to the statement that it needs snapshots? And have you already tried building it with the openjdk in jaunty?
[09:55] <directhex> slytherin, ikvm-<IP_ADDRESS>/HOWTO
[10:23] <eMerzh> Hi everyone... if someone is bored ... he could review my waiting package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman thanks a lot :D
[10:24] <directhex> been at it a while, eMerzh :|
[10:24] <directhex> funny thing, it seems REVU is slower than debian NEW at times o_o
[11:04] <Hobbsee> slytherin: contentless repong?
[11:04] <slytherin> Hobbsee: Are you free enough to clear 2 more packages from 'NEW'?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> slytherin: sources or binaries?
[11:05] <slytherin> Hobbsee: binaries.
[11:06] <slytherin> Hobbsee: libhibernate-validator-java and libhibernate-annotations-java
[11:19] <Hobbsee> slytherin: waved
[11:22] <slytherin> Hobbsee: Thanks
[11:22] <Hobbsee> slytherin: you're welcome
[11:22] <nxvl> airports are SO boring
[11:23] <directhex> nxvl, wifi helps
[11:24] <directhex> nxvl, and IME, airports vary wildly in boringness
[11:25] <nxvl> directhex: yup
[11:25] <nxvl> directhex: that's true
[11:26] <nxvl> directhex: and the boriness is direct relative to the wifi conection
[11:26] <nxvl> directhex: worst conection, more boring
[11:38] <directhex> slytherin, what are the chances of the java team offering an openjdk-source package of some kind for handy build-depitude?
[11:40] <slytherin> directhex: 100%, there is already a package, openjdk-6-source. Check if it serves the purpose.
[11:42] <directhex> if i (well, hanska) need to go further, is openjdk-6-source-files likely to stick around for long, or is it an ephemeral entry on experimental that'll disappear in the future?
[12:25] <AnAnt> Hello, regarding this merge request ( bug 305124 ) , is there something to do or someone to subscribe ?
[12:36] <AnAnt> Hello, regarding this merge request ( bug 305124 ) , is there something to do or someone to subscribe ?
[12:46] <AnAnt> Hello, regarding this merge request ( bug 305124 ) , is there something to do or someone to subscribe ?
[12:46] <AnAnt> sorry, I get disconnected a lot
[12:47] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: dude, spam?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[12:48] <Hobbsee> note the sponsorship queue stuff mentioned on ^
[12:53] <directhex> afternoon Hobbsee!
[12:53] <Hobbsee> hey directhex!
[12:54] <Hobbsee> well, late evening, but... :)
[12:54] <directhex> Hobbsee, i'm awaiting a flame war :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> directhex: where?
[12:56] <directhex> Hobbsee, debian-devel, probably. look who turned up in NEW last night: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/moon_1.0~beta1-1.html
[12:57] <Hobbsee> directhex: oh, fun.
[12:57]  * Hobbsee hands you a flame-proof vest
[12:57] <directhex> Hobbsee, i look forward to it ^_^
[12:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:57] <directhex> hm, am i a sociopath? o_o
[12:58] <laga> are you already being called names?
[12:59] <azeem> I must have missed all those mono flamewars directhex is talking about
[12:59] <Hobbsee> azeem: there was a great post on ubuntu-motu a while ago about it
[12:59] <azeem> ah
[13:00] <Hobbsee> and various people who have decided to flame #ubuntu-devel about mono
[13:00] <azeem> I thought they were related to Debian not Ubuntu
[13:00] <Hobbsee> well, they're both :)
[13:00] <directhex> laga, over moon? yes. huge flame war on debian-devel;
[13:01] <directhex> laga, starting with http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/10/msg00063.html
[13:02] <azeem> that thread was mostly about mpeg encoders I thought
[13:03] <directhex> azeem, people got sidetracked, certainly. but robert doesn't half have a go on the itp bug itself
[13:03] <directhex> azeem, i reached the decision "i don't care about robert millan" between the ITP and yesterday's upload
[13:03] <azeem> everybody mostly ignores Robert these days
[13:04] <azeem> and even then, I don't see how your conversation with im is a "huge flame war"
[13:04] <azeem> him*
[13:04] <directhex> azeem, i was mostly offended that a former Gnash maintainer was using "it won't be 100% compatible with what it's a clone of" as a reason to reject
[13:04] <azeem> I was amused, but yes :)
[13:04] <directhex> oh, and boycottnovell picked up on it, and moaned about how i must be thick or something
[13:05] <azeem> ok
[13:05] <azeem> you just make it sounds like you have to battle/fight half of Debian every day about mono/moonlight, while in practise at most a couple of vocal people are speaking up against it
[13:06] <directhex> and their groupies are just the kind of ill-informed loudmouths who really help promote free software to the masses
[13:09] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: not spam, bad net connection
[13:11] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: anyways, thanks
[13:17] <slytherin> AnAnt: the bug description is misleading. There is one Ubuntu change still not merged and hence you have a merge bug. Otherwise it would be a sync.
[13:19] <directhex> smerge!
[13:22] <AnAnt> slytherin: what change is not merged ?
[13:22] <slytherin> AnAnt: the one for which you submitted the diff, related to ipv6 module loading
[13:25] <AnAnt> slytherin: sorry, disconnected again, what's not merged ?
[13:26] <slytherin> AnAnt: the one for which you submitted the diff, related to ipv6 module loading
[13:26] <AnAnt> slytherin: yes, that's what I found in previous debdiff
[13:26] <AnAnt> slytherin: in addition to debian/control changes (Maintainer field)
[13:27] <slytherin> AnAnt: yes, that is why I said that "All ubuntu changes have been merged" is a wrong description.
[13:27] <AnAnt> slytherin: those are all what I found
[13:31] <AnAnt> slytherin: well ?
[13:32] <slytherin> AnAnt: Please tell me what meaning did you intend to convey with "All Ubuntu changes have been merged".
[13:33] <AnAnt> slytherin: I meant that all changes (that I found in the last debdiff from 2.1.1-6.1 to  2.1.1-6.1ubuntu1) were merged
[13:36] <slytherin> AnAnt: So that is what I couldn't understand. Usually when you file a merge bug, you should mention what ubuntu changes still need to be maintained or what changes have been already merged in Debian and can be dropped.
[13:37] <slytherin> AnAnt: So when you say "all changes have been merged" the usual meaning is that the changes have been merged in Debian and we don't need to maintain Ubuntu diff.
[13:38] <AnAnt> ah, I meant that I merged the changes in the debdiff I put
[13:39] <persia> Better to use language like "Merge from ${source}, Remaining Ubuntu changes:" and then list anything left over below.
[13:39]  * directhex merges persia from ${source}
[13:39] <sebner> persia: \o/
[13:42] <AnAnt> source ?
[13:43] <AnAnt> you mean main
[13:44] <persia> Something like "Debian unstable" or "Debian experimental" or "Joe's nifty deb repo"
[13:44] <AnAnt> ok changed
[13:46] <AnAnt> got to reboot
[13:53] <slytherin> Hobbsee: One more package please, so that I can go home and try building jboss. :-D - libhibernate-entitymanager-java
[14:01] <Koon> slytherin: joining the Java meeting ?
[14:01] <slytherin> Koon: there
[14:04] <slytherin> Koon: persia is available.
[14:05] <Koon> persia: if you want to chair let me know
[14:05] <persia> Not really :)
[15:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:22] <sebner> hi bddebian
[15:23] <bddebian> Hi sebner
[15:23] <rjune> hi bddebian
[15:24] <bddebian> Hello rjune
[15:38] <geser> Hi bddebian
[15:46] <bddebian> Heya geser
[15:57] <nixternal> boo
[16:00] <bddebian> ahhh :)
[16:04] <nixternal> bddebian: you going to UDS?
[16:04] <bddebian> Nah, I am gymnastics poor :(
[16:14] <StevenK> bddebian: What does gymnastics have to do with being poor?
[16:15] <bddebian> StevenK: My daughters' gymnastics classes cost us a buttload of money :(
[16:15] <jdong> StevenK: it means he has to bend over backwards for money?
[16:15] <jdong> oh. that works too.
[16:24]  * StevenK smirks, and goes to breakfast.
[16:32] <ScottK> jdong: I'm not so sure about the backwards part.
[16:44] <leonel> scottK so  after looking at the disabled modules  in our case  chm   roll the diff  without that patch ??
[16:54] <ScottK> leonel: No.  We should include it.  My point is that your test doesn't mean the code isn't vulnerable, since the module is disabled.
[16:54] <ScottK> leonel: I'm talking with upstream about how we can arrange to get stuff re-enabled after patching.
[16:55] <leonel> scottK ok I'll wait since I cant find where to put the 2nd part
[16:55] <ScottK> leonel: If it's a question of waiting, let's go ahead without it and then do another update once it's sorted out.
[16:56] <leonel> scottK  I'll push what I got and  fix that latter
[16:56] <ScottK> leonel: Sounds good.
[16:57] <leonel> scottK I'm preparing another for   squirrelmail
[17:16] <eMerzh> Oyé Oyé (in old french in the text) if You want to review a package, mine is waiting for you : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman ... feel free to comment or advocate this! ;)
[17:35] <TheMuso> Does anybody know off the top of their head the best and most up to date wiki page about chroots?
[17:36] <laga> TheMuso: that's like asking for the best and most up to date wiki page about kittens. can you be a bit specific?
[17:37] <TheMuso> Right, I need to give someone a link to explain about chroots, and how we use them in Ubuntu, and the tools available.
[17:39] <laga> hum. the pbuilder documentation might be useful.. maybe also the other builders.
[17:39] <TheMuso> I might start with DebootstrapChroot, but I'll have a look around.
[17:39] <laga> see, chroot is a system call. you can do a lot of things with it, and a lot of tools like ltsp-build-client and probably ubiquity etc use it
[17:40] <laga> yeah, debootstrap is important as well.
[17:40] <laga> of course, my list is nowhere near completeness :)
[17:42] <TheMuso> Anyway, we will see if they write back with more questions.
[18:00] <crevette> hello
[18:02] <crevette> If someone could be kind enough to validate a sponsoring request and do it if he can (lp 305229)
[18:10] <TheMuso> c
[18:11] <RainCT> ++   :)
[18:12]  * StevenK stuffs RainCT out an airlock
[18:14] <RainCT> StevenK: why? :(
[18:14] <StevenK> Because C++ needs to DIAF
[18:15] <RainCT> StevenK: replaced by what?
[18:16] <StevenK> I don't care, anything that isn
[18:16] <StevenK> 't C++
[18:17] <laga> java \o/
[18:17] <RainCT> StevenK: as long as it isn't #, that's fine for me :P
[18:19] <RainCT> s/for/by
[18:35] <psusi> is there any reason for debian/rules to require root for a clean?
[18:35] <azeem_> it requires fakeroot
[18:36] <psusi> well, it requires root, whether it be real or fake... my question is why ;)
[18:36] <psusi> root should only be needed for make install
[18:36] <psusi> which debian/rules clean should not be running
[18:37] <azeem_> it needs to undo the effects of make install
[18:38] <psusi> hrm.... so if you really ran debian/build as root, instead of with fakeroot, it would not be able to rm the files in the build directory?
[18:39] <azeem> yes
[18:52] <morgs> I need help with an SRU for bug 263173, any motu-srus around?
[19:08] <leonel> scottK bug #271546
[19:09] <leonel> scottK hardy debdiff  done   working with dapper and  gutsy   remains open for the cve-2008-1389
[19:09] <ScottK> leonel: Sounds good.
[19:15] <ScottK> leonel: You should add LP: #304017 to your references.
[19:17] <leonel> redo the diff ??
[19:17] <leonel> or some magic by the security team can do the magic ?
[19:18] <ScottK> leonel: You can just edit the diff and reupload it to LP since you aren't changing the number of lines.
[19:20] <leonel> scottK ok , didn't know that I can  edit the   debdiff by hand  ..
[19:20] <ScottK> leonel: As long as you don't change the number of lines, you can.
[19:20] <ScottK> ... and you're careful.
[19:21] <leonel> done
[19:22] <ScottK> Building here.
[19:43] <logari81> hi, which is the process to bring a new application in Ubuntu repos?
[19:47] <hyperair> logari81: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[19:51] <ScottK> leonel: Looks good here.
[19:55] <leonel> scottK great ..   building for dapper   and test
[20:08] <frostburn> there's a manpage missing for a package, what would be the first step in remedying it?
[20:10] <Laney> writing the manpage
[20:11] <frostburn> it's written, just not provided by the package
[20:22] <logari81> hyperair: thank you
[20:26] <Laney> frostburn: Does the package use debhelper?
[20:27] <frostburn> unsure
[20:32] <psusi> so I uploaded a bad package to my ppa... I deleted it... now when I try to upload the fixed version launchpad rejects it saying it was already uploaded... but I deleted it?
[20:32] <Laney> psusi: Increase the version number
[20:33] <jdong> psusi: deletion isn't instant
[20:33] <jdong> just bump the package
[20:33] <psusi> jdong: I waited a while and verified that it is no longer in the pool
[20:33] <directhex> wait longer!
[20:34] <jdong> that's what she said?
[20:34] <directhex> can take a few hours to really go
[20:34] <jdong> *ducks*
[20:34] <psusi> for what?  the pool is empty :)
[20:34] <jdong> ok now you guys are just trying to tempt me.
[20:34] <directhex> pool's closed!
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> gotta remove the .upload file, or else dput won't let you re-upload
[20:37] <Philip5> don't know how offtopic this is but does anyone here know if it's possible to make pbuilder to halt if the the build breaks and if so i would like to login to the pbuilder session and look around.
[20:38] <Philip5> can it be done?
[20:38] <Nafallo> can definately be done. looked at the example hooks yet? :-)
[20:38]  * JontheEchidna has a hook for that
[20:39] <Philip5> nope
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> Philip5: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> lotsa useful hooks there
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> though rtfm is recommended too :P
[20:40] <azeem> if $FTBFS == yes; then mail Ncommander < buildlog; fi
[20:40] <Nafallo> Philip5: now stay in the channel :-)
[20:40] <Nafallo> azeem: LOL
[20:40] <Philip5> Nafallo: maybe... ;)
[20:40] <directhex> azeem, that's not very nice
[20:40] <NCommander> ....
[20:41] <directhex> azeem, if $FTBFS == yes && $ARCH != i386; then mail Ncommander < buildlog; fi
[20:41] <directhex> azeem, that's better!
[20:41] <Nafallo> ey. exclude x86_64 as well :-)
[20:41] <NCommander> thank you
[20:41] <directhex> Nafallo, true. who uses ancient arches like m68k and i386 in this day & age?
[20:41] <NCommander> directhex, uh ....
[20:41] <NCommander> ...
[20:41]  * NCommander is a m68k and hurd porter
[20:41] <Nafallo> directhex: my EeePC?
[20:42] <NCommander> of course, we're going to see a "bug_ncommander" script added to ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:42] <Nafallo> not both of them, but anyway...
[20:42] <directhex> NCommander, feel like fixing the asx parser in moonlight to work on big-endian arches?
[20:42] <NCommander> Wait
[20:43] <NCommander> we have a C# app that is platform specific?
[20:43] <directhex> NCommander, moon is c++ right now
[20:43] <NCommander> I could look into it
[20:43] <NCommander> but there is nothing really worth it that is using moonlight?
[20:43] <directhex> right now? dunno, possibly not
[20:44] <NCommander> Bug me about it closer to feature freeze and once the ARM port is more stable
[20:44] <directhex> problem is upstream have no big endian boxes, so can't readily test that little issue
[20:44] <NCommander> I can give them a box
[20:44] <NCommander> if there is a test suite, I'll consider it sooner
[20:46] <directhex> shower time.
[21:02] <directhex> NCommander, do you have an "unconventional" little endian system (e.g. armel) locally, which you could try a test-build of moon 1.0~beta1-1 on? in theory it should be as functional as on i386, if a fair bit slower at the whole "media" thing
[21:02] <NCommander> a bunch
[21:02] <NCommander> powerpc, sparc, hppa, armel
[21:04] <directhex> hm, i thought ppc was big endian. shows what i know
[21:13] <leonel> scottK bug #271546  done  Just  the  cve-2008-1389   is pending  ..
[21:14] <directhex> NCommander, if bored, give http://retro.apebox.org/moon/moon_1.0~beta1-1.dsc a punt on one of those (ppc and armel probably the most likely to matter)
[21:14] <NCommander> how big is it?
[21:15] <directhex> NCommander, source? about 12 meg, due to the huge test harness
[21:15] <NCommander> my ARM box would slowly grind itself to death compiling that
[21:15] <NCommander> I'll run it on the POwerPC when I plug it back in
[21:16] <directhex> actual debs produced add up to less than 700k
[21:17] <directhex> http://miguelmoreno.net/sandbox/Silverlight_0/ is a nice simple example. http://videoshow.vertigo.com/ is more flashy
[22:49] <eike_> I maintain the source package for "osmo" in Debian and just fixed a bug that occures in Intrepid (see LP: #296243). I attached a debdiff against the version currently in Intrepid and tested the resulting .deb. Could anyone comment on this, please?  I CLICKED THE TRAY ICON AND RHYTHMBOX *DISAPPEARED!!!!*
[22:53] <azeem> something which should be in the context menu as well IMO
[22:53] <laga> jdong: have you recently switched from kde?
[22:53] <jdong> laga: nope
[22:54] <jdong> if we use balloons to hint users to look for an app in the system tray we should at least use a balloon to hint users where their menu has just gone.
[22:54] <persia> !sru
[22:55] <persia> bug #296243
[22:55] <jdong> eike_: distribution should be intrepid-proposed, not intrepid
[23:03] <eike_> jdong: thanks for the hint, just uploaded the updated debdiff
[23:06] <jdong> eike_: alright, while you have me here I'll sponsor it :)
[23:07] <eike_> jdong: great, thanks a lot for your quick help!
[23:08] <jdong> eike_: sure thing; uploaded, awaiting approval


[17:22] <SmallwoodDR82> did recent backend updates break livetv with XBMC as a frontend for anyone else?
[19:35] <SmallwoodDR82> nevermind, mythtv just pushed out new fix.  Which resolved the issue.


[00:00] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, preparing the ubiquity and grub2-signed uploads now
[00:06] <stgraber> hmm, what? why did that land in New?
[00:08] <stgraber> slangasek: oh, please make sure to accept the grub2 UEFI binary in Unapproved and let it publish before accepting that grub2-signed, otherwise it'll be useless
[00:08] <slangasek> stgraber: yep :)
[00:08] <stgraber> (still very confused as to why LP thinks it's a New source...)
[00:11] <stgraber> and there goes ubiquity, that should be all for that bug. I can test that the fix works next week, just a matter of running a VM install on OVMF
[00:12] <slangasek> stgraber: great, thanks :)
[00:23] <infinity> Oh look, it's the Mir MIR.  We've been waiting for that to happen.
[00:40] <slangasek> mir mir mir mir mir
[00:41] <jbicha> the Unity stack needs an ffe package


[11:53] <dileks> hmm, looks like my rebuilt ext4 was not loaded after changing CONFIG_EXT4_FS from "=y" to "=m"
[11:53]  * dileks rebuilt only ext4 and depending jbd2
[11:55] <dileks> MINI-HOWTO: Rebuild EXT4 as a module: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1140918/
[11:55] <dileks> what do I have to do in addition?


[14:09] <mterry_> dednick, rm -f debian/*.debhelper.log; dh_autoreconf_clean; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt nocheck" debuild --no-tgz-check -i -I -us -uc -nc
[14:15] <mterry_> kenvandine, I have filed several u-s-s branches the past few days btw.  Some of them are attached to Criticals.  Some are just high but still pretty important in my mind
[14:18] <kenvandine> mterry_, yeah, saw them
[14:18] <kenvandine> i'll look at them
[14:23] <kenvandine> mterry_, there's no bug attached to your location-three-options branch, can you either link an existing bug of file a new one?
[14:32] <paulliu> 23
[14:41] <mterry_> kenvandine, yeah...  let me see after this meeting
[14:42] <kenvandine> mterry_, thx
[14:42] <kenvandine> mterry_, we'll need to get them on olli's list to land them, but i'll start reviewing them in a few
[14:43] <mterry_> kenvandine, one is marked High but should really be Critical -- you can't see HERE terms at all right now (link doesn't work)
[14:43] <mterry_> kenvandine, I assume that is a legal requirement
[14:43] <kenvandine> mterry_, yeah, i'd agree with that
[14:43] <kenvandine> poke pat about it or someone
[14:44] <mterry_> kenvandine, I commented in bug...
[14:44] <mterry_> that always gets to the right parties, right?  :)
[14:45] <mzanetti> rpadovani: did you push that branch somewhere?
[14:46] <mzanetti> the one with accounts stuff
[16:03] <seb128> Cimi, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity8/drop-workaround-empty-pwd-login/+merge/239401 since you are the one who put the workaround in there?
[16:03] <seb128> mterry_, ^
[16:04] <Saviq> seb128, just FYI, this won't land until we open the floodgates again post-rtm
[16:04] <Saviq> seb128, unless it's deemed needed for rtm, that is
[16:04] <seb128> Saviq, not even in v-serie?
[16:04] <Saviq> seb128, no, I can't manage two branches
[16:04] <seb128> Saviq, k, that qml is not even used on the phone
[16:05] <Saviq> seb128, yeah, so this'll have to wait post-rtm then
[16:05] <seb128> Saviq, but at the same time it's not like the desktop image was very useful atm
[16:05] <Saviq> mhm
[16:06] <seb128> Saviq, you can't log-in unity8-desktop-next atm, need to go to a vt to see a password to the user then go back to the live session
[16:06] <seb128> but anyway, rtm first
[16:28] <mterry_> dednick, gdbus call --session --dest com.canonical.UnityGreeter --object-path / --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get com.canonical.UnityGreeter IsActive
[19:10] <lpotter> is there anything preventing .cache/upstart from getting too large and out of control?
[19:12] <Zhenech> .o0 systemd? *hide*
[19:17] <greyback> lpotter: I think there's a cleanup thingy somewhere that runs occasionally
[21:14] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ping
[21:14] <Cimi> tsdgeos, pong
[21:14] <tsdgeos> Cimi: where are thou?
[23:47]  * lpotter wonders why the battery indicator adds his bluetooth keyboard's level to the battery level shown...
[23:50] <lpotter> (14.10 desktop)


[07:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: Happy birthday
[11:59] <sick_rimmit> Hey
[11:59] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Thank you so much, that really great to remember me !!
[12:00] <ovidiu-florin> Nice cake you got there
[12:05] <ahoneybun> happy birthday sick_rimmit
[12:05] <ahoneybun> weird how it was not on my calendar
[12:09] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: lovin github
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2015/05/29#no-github
[12:10] <ahoneybun> I saw that, thats why I said it lol
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:23] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[12:57] <sick_rimmit> Sorry folks, just got back to my desk
[12:58] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Yes awesome Cake, been rapidly eaten by the office staff :-)
[12:58] <soee> so why sorry ? :D
[12:58] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Thanks for the wishes
[12:59] <sick_rimmit> soee: ;-) I missed reponding to some nice well wishers \o/
[13:19] <yofel> sick_rimmit: happy birthday :)
[13:20] <sick_rimmit> yofel: Bless you, thanks very much. Today I have a fun day :-)
 ahoneybun: your setup looks awesome..kde plasma 5..which ubuntu version are you running this on?
[19:34] <frecel> hello
[19:35] <frecel> is there any truth to the rumors about some of the kubuntu devs leaving to form another distro?
[19:38] <BluesKaj_> frecel: none
[19:42] <soee> there is no better distro so why to move anywhere :D
[19:44] <frecel> soee: that's what worries me
[19:44] <soee> what exactly ? :)
[19:49] <frecel> soee: that there is no good distro to move to if Kubuntu falls apart due to the whole UCC debacle
[19:52] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339536
[19:52] <murthy> could someone verify the 4th comment in the bug report
[19:55] <BluesKaj_> frecel, kubuntu will carry on, there's no truth to the rumours. Just leave it at that.
[19:57] <frecel> BluesKaj_: I'm glad to hear that
[19:58] <frecel> BluesKaj_: It would make some sense to move to a debian base if UCC/Canonical policies are unclear, but I'm glad the project will continue
[20:18] <murthy> Found it, its an upstream bug. https://github.com/libarchive/libarchive/issues/554
[20:35] <debfx> I'm not particularly fond of that ark patch. it basically trades one set of deficiencies of a zip implementation with those of another.
[20:39] <murthy> From some of the comments that I read in the bug reports, it was probably done to avoid some dependencies
[20:42] <debfx> https://bugs.debian.org/723963 says it was added because of encoding issues with unzip
[21:29] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: I REALLY recommend DigitalOcean if we are supposed to migrate anywhere.
[21:29] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: I was about to suggest that I would be able to provide a droplet for some time but now that we got an offer directly for them I think it would be good to make use of it.
[21:29] <Quintasan> If anything I can admin that.
[21:55] <micahg> I need to rebuild krdc and krfb, but I don't see any Vcs-* packaging branches that are up to date, any suggestions or can I just upload the rebuild?
[21:55] <micahg> oh, and hi :)
[22:11] <yofel> micahg: hey! They're on alioth, but I see that the URL is wrong: s/kde-applications/applications/
[22:11] <yofel> e.g. http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/krdc.git/tree/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[22:13] <micahg> yofel: is it possible for me to get access?
[22:14] <yofel> micahg: best poke maxy or svuorela in #debian-qt-kde on OFTC
[22:16] <micahg> yofel: thanks, I'll do that


[13:19] <popey> tsimonq2: I'm not sure. Should the content go in there (that seems like extra work) Or just a link? I'm not sure of the value of just posting a link there, as we'll just end up with a load of empty topics with one link in?
[13:20] <popey> What do you think?
[13:20] <popey> Be nice to have the entire thing posted as markdown :)
[13:20] <popey> In other news:- Google Code-In! https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-participation-in-google-code-in/271
[14:25] <balloons> popey, et la the new site looks wonderful!
[14:25] <popey> yay, thanks
[16:33] <popey> nhaines: you about for ubucon call?
[20:46] <tsimonq2> popey: I tried
[20:46] <tsimonq2> popey: It was too large
[20:46] <wxl> um
[20:46] <tsimonq2> (too many chars)
[20:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: um don't :)
[20:46] <popey> Ah
[20:46] <popey> I wonder if it might do to just have the summary and a link?
[20:46] <popey> I'm not sure what's best here, what do you think?
[20:47] <popey> I would love for the content to appear on the hub in a pretty way
[20:47] <tsimonq2> Summary of a UWN featuring summaries, pretty meta :)
[20:47] <tsimonq2> popey: I can post the same text that I post on the Fridge?
[20:48] <popey> The problem is it will be formatted for moin
[20:48] <popey> wheras hub is markdown
[20:48] <popey> (would be nice if those were easily converted)
[20:49] <popey> I'm keen to get wider audience, but not make more work for the UWN team


[03:21] <Kobe_Lee> @happyaron,优客助手和优客天气麻烦check下代码入库,谢谢
[05:33] <happyaron> Kobe_Lee: 好的
[05:49] <ypwong> Kobe_Lee, there is a merge request pending : https://code.launchpad.net/~anthonywong/indicator-china-weather/ui-fixes/+merge/234780
[05:54] <Kobe_Lee> @ypwong, OK
[06:24] <FJKong> happyaron: 我push了一个commit 智能提示的 有空看看merge下
[06:25] <FJKong> happyaron: 暂时未测试哦
[06:46] <happyaron> FJKong: ok
[13:21] <ypwong> JackYu, http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/popcorn-time-033-released-with-support.html
[13:21] <ypwong> 这个 app 很赞
[13:22] <JackYu> let me see:)
[15:23] <JackYu> ypwong, 要翻墙。确实不错～
[15:24] <ypwong> JackYu, 他现在内置 vpn，有没有试过？
[15:30] <ypwong> JackYu, 没找到 vpn option, 看来 linux 版没有
[15:40] <JackYu> 呵呵
[15:45] <JackYu> ypwong, 能不能找人传一下这个？ #1371165
[15:45] <JackYu> bug #1371165
[16:06] <ypwong> JackYu, happyaron 说他会弄的 :\
[16:07] <JackYu> ypwong, 好啊。主要是下周一freeze，这个要尽快入库，否则UKSC没时间QA。
[16:08] <ypwong> JackYu, assign the bug to him?
[16:08] <JackYu> 好:)
[16:09] <ypwong> JackYu, 应该是 FFe 吧
[16:09] <JackYu> 恩。。。


[05:11] <amithkk> msg NickSerb
[05:15] <amithkk> gf
[14:58] <ogra_> ♪♬♪♬♪♬♪♬♪♬
[14:58] <ogra_> ^^--- hold music :)
[14:58] <charlie-tca> neat!
[14:59]  * charlie-tca waves
[14:59] <pitti> hello
[14:59]  * stgraber waves
[14:59] <jibel> o/
[15:00] <josimba_> hi
[15:01] <skaet> hiya
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology`> Meeting started Fri Sep 30 15:01:49 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:02] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-30
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> We're now in Final Freeze for Main and the Seeded Universe.  Thank you for all the fixes that have been submitted over this last week!  :)   Only high/critical fixes necessary to release the images will be accepted now.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Based on discussions last week in this meeting the archive is remaining frozen now for the remainder of the cycle.   Please ping a release team member on #ubuntu-release if a high/critical bug fix for main or one of the seeded universe packages needs shepherding through if its been sitting there for more than 12 hours.
[15:02] <skaet> Key dates:
[15:02] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[15:02] <skaet> 11.10 Final Freeze:  Sept 29 at 2100 UTC.
[15:02] <skaet> 11.10 Non Language Pack Translation Deadline:  Sept 29 at 2100 UTC
[15:02] <skaet> 11.10 Language Pack Translation Deadline:  Oct 6 at 1200 UTC
[15:02] <skaet> 11.10 Unseeded Universe Freeze Oct 11 at 1200 UTC  (more discussion at end of meeting )
[15:02] <skaet> 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> For those who want to see what bugs are showing up on the release list during the upcoming weeks,  we'll be focusing on resolving or documenting:
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-o-tracking-bugs.html
[15:02] <skaet> If you see a package being looked at against the wrong team,  let me or one of the defect analysts know, and we'll adjust,  also,  some won't fix bugs are still showing up with the status of the package rather than the oneiric specific task, these will be moved off the list shortly.
[15:03] <skaet> Would also like to request all the flavor product leads take a pass through
[15:03] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseManifest
[15:03] <skaet> and confirm the details are accurate for their images.
[15:03] <skaet> questions?
[15:03] <skaet> ..
[15:03]  * skaet thanks ogra for playing hold music ;)
[15:04] <pitti> sorry, I'm not sure that I'm connected, do you read me?
[15:04] <skaet> yes pitti,  we see you.
[15:04] <skaet> or at least I do ;)
[15:05]  * skaet doesn't see questions
[15:05] <skaet> on to round table.
[15:06] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:06] <mlegris> [Week 39 Testing Report]
[15:06] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week39_2011.html
[15:06] <mlegris> .
[15:06] <mlegris> Beta 2 Testing
[15:06] <mlegris> * Testing went well, the majority of systems passed.
[15:06] <mlegris> Bugs:
[15:06] <mlegris> *  Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes
[15:06] <mlegris> Any questions?
[15:07] <mlegris> ..
[15:07] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!   glad there doesn't seem to be any blockers from the Cert side to worry about.
[15:07] <mlegris> np skaet!
[15:07] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:07] <jibel> = Weekly QA Activity =
[15:07] <jibel> This week was dedicated to testing, troubleshooting and finding test cases for populars crashes.
[15:07] <jibel> We spent time on testing Wubi disk image installation too.
[15:07] <jibel> Major issues identified have been added to the release manager bug tracking report.
[15:08] <jibel> = Bug Activity =
[15:08] <jibel> * New bugs opened during last week (no dups): 1758(+22.00 % over previous week)
[15:08] <jibel>  Top 5 packages with bugs opened during the week:
[15:08] <jibel>   * unity: 89 (5.06%)
[15:08] <jibel>   * linux: 48 (2.73%)
[15:08] <jibel>   * software-center: 43 (2.45%)
[15:08] <jibel>   * nautilus: 37 (2.10%)
[15:08] <jibel>   * banshee: 30 (1.71%)
[15:08] <jibel> * 26 reports are regressions. Top 3:
[15:08] <jibel>   * software-center: 3
[15:08] <jibel>   * unity: 2
[15:08] <jibel>   * nautilus: 1
[15:08] <jibel> The following are in status 'New':
[15:08] <jibel> 62970	abiword crashed with SIGABRT in PD_Document::areListUpdatesAllowed()
[15:08] <jibel> 858684	aptd crashed with TypeError in _on_status_update(): not all arguments converted during string formatting
[15:08] <jibel> 862677	Can no longer create IMAP folders
[15:08] <jibel> 861339	compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::WindowCompositor::RenderTopViews()
[15:08] <jibel> 863093	Function keys for volume not working as expected
[15:08] <jibel> 862662	No busy cursor when opening files
[15:08] <jibel> 862609	seahorse-plugins gone in Oneiric
[15:08] <jibel> 858543	software-center crashed with DBusException in _medium_required(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Cancel" with signature "" on interface "org.debian.apt.transaction" doesn't exist
[15:08] <jibel> 862686	software-center crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _show_transaction_failed_dialog(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc4 in position 14: ordinal not in range(128)
[15:09] <jibel> * Top 3 packages with High/Critical bugs opened and reported this week:
[15:09] <jibel>   * unity: 4
[15:09] <jibel>   * compiz: 4
[15:09] <jibel>   * lightdm: 2
[15:09] <jibel> * Top 3 crashers of the week:
[15:09] <jibel>   * software-center: 34 (79.07 %)
[15:09] <jibel>   * unity: 28 (31.46 %)
[15:09] <jibel>   * unity-2d: 20 (86.96 %)
[15:09] <jibel> * Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)
[15:09] <jibel> * Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)
[15:09] <jibel>   * unity: 34 (38.20 %)
[15:09] <jibel>   * software-center: 27 (62.79 %)
[15:09] <jibel>   * banshee: 11 (36.67 %)
[15:09] <josimba_> He said he was reporting it for another coworker and couldn't give any details
[15:09] <jibel> = Boot speed =
[15:09] <josimba_> He then said he had to go but could be reached in 20 mins for more details
[15:09] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/
[15:10] <jibel> (should be updated the todays data really soon)
[15:10] <skaet> :)
[15:10] <jibel> any question ?
[15:10] <jibel> ..
[15:10] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[15:11] <skaet> I was seeing software-center showing up a bit on more than usual on the high/critical bugs this week too.   Will do some extra follow up there.
[15:12] <jibel> I looked at it, and clearly there are quite a lot of bugs that need triage in software-center
[15:12] <skaet> jibel,  the bugs that are in New state, are the respective team's defect analysts and project leads aware directly,  or only through this meeting?
[15:13]  * skaet trying to figure out how to get those New ones sorted quickly.
[15:13] <Ursinha> bdmurray, ^
[15:13] <jibel> skaet, that's on defect analyst's plate
[15:14] <jibel> I'll see we pedro for software center.
[15:14] <skaet> jibel,  looks like Ursinha, bdmurray are aware now ;)
[15:14] <skaet> Thanks!
[15:15] <skaet> :)
[15:15] <skaet> any other questions for jibel?
[15:15] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:15] <jdstrand> hi
[15:15] <skaet> :)
[15:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:16] <jdstrand> Burn down is below the trend line. The remaining work items are not tied to the release schedule. I have only one MIR left requiring a security team audit.
[15:16] <jdstrand> One bug worth highlighting is bug #849027, but I see today that pitti is looking at it (thanks!). Bug #851986 has been deferred to SRU. Looking at the other oneiric bugs, there aren't any others worth highlighting.
[15:16] <jdstrand> ..
[15:16] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand! :)  questions?
[15:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:17] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Final is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10.html
[15:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:17] <ogasawara> We uploaded linux-3.0.0-12.19 last week to resolve some outstanding bugs prior to release.  We do not foresee any further uploads prior to release.  We are currently below both of our final milestone and overall burndown charts.  The remaining 2 work items are not release critical.
[15:17] <ogasawara> Of the remaining bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:17] <ogasawara> #480444 - Needs further investigation.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #542660 - Looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #557261 - Not a kernel issue, was closed Invalid.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #710733 - Universe package for debug purposes, not release critical.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #714862 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #746133 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #754711 - On a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  further invetigation required.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #758486 - Told that TI will push a fix with the next BSP.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #761082 - Confirmed against Oneiric, investigation ongoing.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #786952 - Patch needs review for SRU possibility.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #790712 - The order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #814325 - Issue confirmed upstream, further investigation required.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #818177 - Comments and investigation indicate this is a udev issue, not kernel. investigation ongoing.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #820466 - Fix Released in alsa-utils.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #836250 - Assigned to kernel dev, performance tests indicate environmental factors.
[15:17] <ogasawara> #760131 - Fix Released Oneiric, SRU Fix Committed for Natty.
[15:18] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:18] <ogasawara> ..
[15:18] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[15:18] <skaet> Can all kernel bugs on the list be considered oneiric-updates now?  or is there anything on the must fix for release list?
[15:19] <ogasawara> I don't think anything on the list is release critical so would agree they could be considered for oneiric-updates now
[15:19] <skaet> thanks
[15:20] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:20] <cjwatson> We've wontfixed a number of bugs which aren't showstoppers and have no chance of being fixed for 11.10.  Shout if you disagree with one of these changes.
[15:20] <cjwatson> The important ones that remain:
[15:20] <cjwatson> Bug 553745 / bug 849414: We are getting moderately desperate here for somebody who is experiencing this and who can actually help us debug it.  If you're hitting this, please contact Steve!
[15:21] <cjwatson> Bug 745960: stgraber has handed this back to me for further investigation.  Will have another go next week ...
[15:21] <cjwatson> Bug 779382: Code written and nearly works, although this may end up being an SRU.
[15:21] <cjwatson> Bug 818177: Slow progress; now actually seeing a firehose of relevant data.
[15:21] <cjwatson> Bug 833783: Ball currently in the server team's court for debugging.
[15:21] <cjwatson> ..
[15:21] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson!
[15:22] <pitti> has been ages since I've seen a plymouth crash; are we still getting new reports for this?
[15:22] <cjwatson> yes, the odd one
[15:22] <cjwatson> it's definitely a lot better than it was; but the nature of the crash is that it is racy
[15:23] <cjwatson> unfortunately most of the bug comments are from people who turn up with "me too" reports but don't actually give us the information we need
[15:25]  * skaet adds plymouth to list with software-center for some follow up. :/
[15:25] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:26] <Daviey> hello!
[15:27] <Daviey> Burndown:
[15:27] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[15:27] <Daviey> It seems we made it!
[15:27] <Daviey> Overview of bugs being tracked which are pertinent to release:
[15:27] <Daviey>  - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[15:27] <Daviey> If there are any not present, please let me know as soon as possible.  Thanks
[15:27] <Daviey> Detail:
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 861260 nova-common upgrade fails with runing lxc instances
[15:27] <Daviey>   # Fix attached, to be including in the next nova upload
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 832159	lxc: get-console-output does not work
[15:27] <Daviey>   # Fix attached, pending scrutiny from upstream trunk.  Should be included in the next upload.
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 801494	Multi part LVM layout: system fails to boot due to missing volumes
[15:27] <Daviey>   # Possibly a duplicate of bug 818177
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 832507	console.log grows indefinitely
[15:27] <Daviey>   # (Security Bug) Fix attached, pending scruitiny from upstream trunk before including in next upload
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 842845	problems starting multiple lxc instances concurrently
[15:27] <Daviey>   # Possible resolution in libvirt, awaiting approval from libvirt
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 850880	cobbler-ubuntu-import does not pull from -updates
[15:27] <Daviey>   # Universe package, fix soon avaliable.
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 861547	/usr/sbin/ietadm is missing in /etc/sudoers.d/nova_sudoer
[15:27] <Daviey>   # Fix merged, awaiting upload
[15:27] <Daviey> bug 862816	/var/log/nova/* is world-readable
[15:28] <Daviey>   # Security issue, fix avaliable soon.
[15:28] <Daviey> bug 862844	Glance config files and logs are world-readable
[15:28] <Daviey>   # As above
[15:28] <Daviey> bug 836922	swift-ring-builder exit status confusing
[15:28] <Daviey>   # Pending cherry pick from upstream trunk
[15:28] <Daviey> bug 818177, is causing us great concern.
[15:28] <Daviey> The ISO should now be shipping Orchestra enlistment support, and requires testing.
[15:28] <Daviey> I belive that is EOM.
[15:28] <Daviey> ..
[15:28] <Daviey> Any questions?
[15:28] <skaet> Thanks Daviey. :)
[15:29] <Daviey> Oh, someone please ask me a question.
[15:29] <skaet> I thought libvirt was already submitted by jdstrand?
[15:29] <Daviey> skaet: This is /another/ issue.
[15:29] <Daviey> jdstrands fix is Fix Released
[15:29] <skaet> ah,  ok.  :)
[15:29] <Daviey> hallyn is working on the other fix.
[15:30]  * skaet will study list in more detail after meeting.
[15:30] <Daviey> We Are trying to get fixes upstreamed before including them, where pratical.
[15:30]  * skaet doesn't see any other questions.... moving on.
[15:30] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update
[15:31] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra_
[15:31] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:31] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:31] <ogra_> --
[15:31] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:31] <ogra_>  - Plenty of arm desktop image bugs were identified over the last week and got fixed
[15:31] <ogra_>  - Banshee (or mono overall) sadly stopped working, bug 857299 is being researched by NCommander currently, but if we cant fix it in time consensus is to switch back to rhythmbox.
[15:31] <ogra_>  - mx5 images could finally get tested, the install and booting are very slow, the regular system works fine though.
[15:31] <ogra_>  - OMAP 4460 support in kernel and bootloader landed this week (thanks linaro !).
[15:31] <ogra_>  - work is still going on on partman-uboot but it is not clar it will make it in time, worst case we will have to release-note it.
[15:31] <ogra_> --
[15:31] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:31] <ogra_>  - Desktop images suffer from archive skew (as expected around freeze time)
[15:31] <ogra_>  - Server images (same status)
[15:31] <ogra_>  - Netboot images (suffer from 806751)
[15:31] <ogra_> --
[15:31] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:31] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:31] <ogra_> --
[15:31] <ogra_> = Critical Bugs =
[15:31] <ogra_>  - 806751 Boot partition on SD is too small on omap/omap4 with guided install
[15:31] <ogra_>  - 857299 Banshee does not start
[15:32] <ogra_> thats all :)
[15:32] <ogra_> ..
[15:33] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ ! :)   when do you expect to start getting usable images from the archive?
[15:33] <ogra_> well, infinity was optimistic and fired just off a build :)
[15:33] <ogra_> before he went to bed
[15:33] <ogra_> so with luck, later tonight
[15:33] <ogra_> ..
[15:33] <skaet> ogra_, goodness.  :)
[15:34] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalveti
[15:34] <fabo> :)
[15:35] <rsalveti> hey
[15:35] <rsalveti> fabo knows it all
[15:35] <skaet> :)
[15:35] <fabo> I'll take it from here ;)
[15:35] <skaet> sorry,  meant to have an "or" in there
[15:35] <fabo> = Developer Platform =
[15:35] <rsalveti> first, and most important, our release is out! \o/
[15:35] <fabo>  - Linaro 11.09 released - https://wiki.linaro.org/Cycles/1109/Release
[15:36] <fabo> - work on the TI LT tree to make it work with OMAP 4460
[15:36] <fabo>  - u-boot-linaro 2011.09.5 released, fixing OMAP 4430 ES2.0 and bringing support for OMAP 4460
[15:36] <fabo>  - libjpeg-turbo is now at the archive - Thanks to ScottK and pitti
[15:36] <fabo>  - plan to switch to Oneiric based images
[15:36] <fabo> --
[15:36] <fabo> = Infrastructure =
[15:36] <fabo>  -  linaro-image tools updated to 2011.09 in the archive - Thanks to ogra_
[15:36] <fabo> ..
[15:36] <fabo> that's all :)
[15:36] <ogra_> me ?
[15:36] <skaet> Thanks fabo!  :)
[15:37]  * ogra_ cant remember uploading that ... i must be getting old ...
[15:37] <skaet> any questions for linaro?
[15:37] <ogra_> (i uploaded libjpeg-turbo though, i think you got that mixed up)
[15:37] <fabo> ogra_: oups was for ljt :)
[15:37] <ogra_> ..
[15:37] <fabo> too much people involved in libjpeg-turbo ;)
[15:37] <fabo> ..
[15:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update  - pitti
[15:38] <pitti> Packaged final GNOME 3.2 release. Mostly translation updates, but a few really good bug fixes, too.
[15:38] <pitti> Lots of bug fixing, RC and otherwise.
[15:38] <pitti> Unfortunately the stream of UIF/FF exception requests from DX/design does not really cease, we got the music search scope, new font, launcher rearrangements etc. in after much discussion. Unfortunately some of the unity changes are buggy, so we'll most likely need another upload.
[15:38] <pitti> As usual, RC bug status is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs
[15:39] <pitti> and for jdstrand's and my own mental sanity, I just uploaded a fix for bug 849027
[15:39] <pitti> ..
[15:39] <jdstrand> \o/
[15:39] <skaet> Thanks pitti!
[15:39]  * jdstrand hugs pitti
[15:39] <pitti> fix is rather large, but the profile has been tested thoroughly through gdm-guest-session already
[15:40] <skaet> any ETA on the next unity drop?
[15:40] <dbarth_> we're lining up fixes
[15:40] <pitti> I don't know, I'm afraid
[15:40] <dbarth_> we can release either beginning of next week or at the next weekly upload window
[15:40] <pitti> beginning of next weeks sounds good, to get it into the RC
[15:40] <skaet> dbarth_, beginning of next week please.
[15:41] <dbarth_> ok
[15:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_
[15:42] <dbarth_> tuesday latest? we already have 5 bugs in progress, 1 fix
[15:42] <dbarth_> ok, so for the report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:42] <dbarth_> it mentions the last releases we made and the bug fix counter
[15:42] <pitti> Tue is fine, I think
[15:42] <dbarth_> other than that
[15:43] <dbarth_> the main change was the integration of the compiz stack mgmt code to fix the stacking problems
[15:43] <dbarth_> music lens with scope support (thanks again)
[15:43] <dbarth_> multi-monitor issues plugged gradually, in particular also with the patch limiting resolution selection
[15:44] <dbarth_> we're facing a massive increase in bug reports and have lined up more engineers to deal with triaging tasks
[15:44] <dbarth_> ..
[15:44] <pitti> o/
[15:44] <skaet> Thanks dbarth_!  go pitti
[15:44] <dbarth_> the bug radar list is still being updated as i speak
[15:44] <pitti> dbarth: do you know if a fix for bug 849732 is planned? It breaks keybindings rather badly. It's inconvenient enough for normal users, but a real disaster for a11y, I figure
[15:45] <dbarth_> pitti: not yet
[15:46] <dbarth_> we know where it happens at least, but ted needs to look into that fix next
[15:46] <skaet> dbarth_, as you update the bugs,  could you please indicate the ones that have no chance of making the tuesday drop, and we'll want to SRU by marking them as oneiric-updates?   would like to get the must watch list pruned down to reasonable level.
[15:47] <dbarth_> it's the highest on his priority list now; but i'm concerned about the eds issue taking 100% of the cpu and that might need his attention as well
[15:48] <dbarth_> ok
[15:49] <skaet> thanks
[15:49] <dbarth_> we'd have to split that sru0 list or so; i think i'll add a tag instead; but yes
[15:50] <skaet> ok,  will get with you on monday then to discuss a bit further.
[15:50]  * skaet looks around for any other questions?
[15:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:51]  * skaet not seeing ScottK in channel,  moving on.
[15:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber
[15:52] <ScottK> \o
[15:52] <stgraber> Hi everyone!
[15:52] <stgraber> Edubuntu looks pretty good, all the remaining bits have been uploaded yesterday and hopefully we won't have to do much last minute fixing.
[15:52] <stgraber> I'm now working on getting WebLive running on Oneiric so we can have it online on release day, quite a few issues to work around but should be ready by Monday.
[15:52] <stgraber> We also still need to update our install documentation, our screenshots and prepare the release anouncement, will do so next week.
[15:52] <stgraber> And that's it!
[15:52] <stgraber> ..
[15:52] <stgraber> Questions?
[15:52] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!   :)  will coord about the announces, etc. next week.
[15:53]  * skaet goes back to Kubuntu now..
[15:53] <ScottK> In general, we are in good shape for release.  The switch to kmail2 this cycle is not going well.  Lot's of upgrade issues and user unhappiness.
[15:53] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:54] <ScottK> We've been pushing bugfix updates of akonadi/kdepimlibs/kdepim/kdepim-runtime to try and make the best of it.
[15:54] <ScottK> We'll almost certainly want a zero day SRU too.
[15:54] <ScottK> (and more after that)
[15:55] <ScottK> We kind of got stuck by upstream on this, but hopefully getting it in the hands of users will get upstream enough feedback 4.8 will be better for "P".
[15:55] <ScottK> ..
[15:55] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!   and ack about the 0-day SRU. :/
[15:56] <skaet> please milestone any bugs not able to make it in now, as oneiric-updates, so we can track them.
[15:57] <skaet> (or rather,  not worry about chasing them down next week)
[15:57] <ScottK> Also expect the world's longest release note.
[15:57] <ScottK> They may not all be in LP as we try to push users to bugs.kde.org to file these bugs as much as possible.
[15:57] <skaet> Ok,  I'll be posting the framework either this afternoon or monday, so you can compose as you go.
[15:58] <ScottK> We're still using the ubuntu-release-notes project for release note material, right?
[15:59] <skaet> ScottK,  yes, its one of the mechanisms.    But there is overlap with prior releases so its not the only one.
[15:59] <ScottK> OK
[15:59]  * skaet will try to prune out the cruft from past releases early next week.
[16:00] <skaet> any questions for ScottK?
[16:00] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:00] <charlie-tca> We would like to think we are in pretty good shape now
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I see the Alternate amd64 image is slightly oversize, but that is not an issue. We can remove a language pack to get it sized
[16:01] <charlie-tca> We have done many bug fixes this week, and also wrote a patch for lightdm.
[16:01] <charlie-tca> lightdm now works for all flavors
[16:01] <czajkowski> c
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I don't have any significant issues at this time.
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> ..
[16:02] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca.    glad to hear that lightdm concern have gotten sorted.  :)
[16:02]  * charlie-tca nods
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[16:02] <gilir> hi :)
[16:02] <skaet> :)
[16:02] <gilir> Last week, we had several fixes for very old issues (apt-xapian-index, boot menu not translated, headers not installed properly), thanks to people who help on them :)
[16:02] <gilir> Also, with the beta 2, we had several testing reports, very complete.
[16:03] <gilir> With them, we found several bugs which was out of our radar.
[16:03] <gilir> The most annoying one is a random boot failure of the desktop ISO (bug 854837)
[16:03] <gilir> I'll greatly appreciate if an expert of casper/ISO boot process can have a look at it, to see what information is needed to debug this.
[16:03] <gilir> Also, bug 820080 is still here, but a fix seems available, it would be very nice if it can be pushed for the final release :)
[16:03] <gilir> ..
[16:04] <skaet> Thanks gilir!
[16:04] <skaet> if the fix for 820080 can be uploaded, we can see about getting it reviewed.
[16:04] <skaet> I'll also make a note of the casper bug in my lists.
[16:05] <skaet> any questions for gilir?
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team update - tumbleweed
[16:05] <skaet> or Laney?
[16:06]  * skaet notices that both seem to be marked away today.
[16:06] <skaet> not sure we have quorum for the next topic then either.
[16:06] <skaet> which would have been the Unseeded Universe Freeze
[16:07] <skaet> Will keep the discussion on the list, and try to get the summary mailed out shortly to the wider development lists.  (and process pages updated)
[16:07] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[16:08] <ScottK> \o
[16:08] <skaet> go ScottK
[16:09] <ScottK> I hope you know you're signed up to hit the release timing to the second: http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[16:09] <ScottK> ..
[16:09] <skaet> ???
[16:09]  * skaet goes to look
[16:09] <ScottK> Not sure who did that.
[16:09] <charlie-tca> to the second?
[16:10] <skaet> Thanks for flagging ScottK...   appreciate knowing about it now, and plan to do some digging.  :P
[16:10] <ScottK> It at least isn't obviously a Canonical domain, so no idea who's behind it.
[16:11]  * skaet has another task on her list for the afternoon it seems.
[16:12]  * skaet looks around for other questions?
[16:12] <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jibel, jdstrand, ogaswara, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra_, fabo, pitti, dbarth_ ScottK, stgraber, charlie-tca, gilir!
[16:12] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:12] <meetingology`> Meeting ended Fri Sep 30 16:12:47 2011 UTC.
[16:12] <meetingology`> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-30-15.01.moin.txt
[16:13] <charlie-tca> skaet: thank you.
[16:16] <stgraber> thanks


[20:50] <pleia2> haven't been able to make time to add links to the doc yet this week, if anyone else is around and has things to add, please do :)
[20:50] <pleia2> otherwise I'll work to make sure it's done by sundown pacific


[15:10] <rickspencer3> o. all
[15:11] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, ChinnoDog what do you guys think about if I had an event at my coworking space ...
[15:11] <rickspencer3> and demo Ubuntu on phones and tablets
[15:11] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: I'm down
[15:11] <rickspencer3> and talk about how we build it
[15:11] <marcoceppi> as long as you have phones and tablets
[15:11] <rickspencer3> and maybe go over how to write apps?
[15:11] <marcoceppi> because I don't
[15:11] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, I have one phone and one tablet ;)
[15:11] <marcoceppi> that's the minimum requirement! :P
[15:11] <marcoceppi> sounds like fun, just maybe when it's not dropping buckets of snow
[15:14] <ChinnoDog> I'd go to that. I don't have an Ubuntu phone or tablet. :-( I have a non-Ubuntu tablet. I wish there was an Ubuntu for Android I could install on it.
[15:16] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: you can dualboot now
[15:17] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, yeah, and next week is vUDS, so maybe week after next?
[15:19] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: sure
[15:28] <ChinnoDog> Dual boot as in one or the other? Ubuntu doesn't work on my tablet as far as I know so I don't think that will help me yet.
[15:29] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: you should mail the list when you figure out a time/day
[15:29] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, will do
[16:46] <adom> marcoceppi: you can dual-boot Android and Ubuntu on my nexus 7? i wasnt aware of that...
[16:47] <marcoceppi> adom: pretty sure you can dual boot now
[16:47] <marcoceppi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[17:00] <adom> thx