[00:06] <Mjwitter> Is anyone able to create an email account in Evolution since yesterday? When I fill in the settings it just loops back to the beginning..
[00:10]  * cwillu wonders if that means they're fixing the bug where you have to fill in the email account before you can get to the preferences page to turn off the indicator applet that is useless if you don't use evolution for email
[00:17] <philip> audio died on me today. Anyone knows the cause?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> philip: killall -9 pulseaudio
[00:23] <BUGabundo> install and open pavucontrol
[00:23] <BUGabundo> and see if it is working
[00:46] <Michalxo> anyone alive here?
[00:46] <Michalxo> I'd like to test something
[00:46] <Michalxo> gajim no sound issue
[00:46] <philip> BUGabundo: still no audio. Just pops
[00:46] <BUGabundo> pops?
[00:47] <BUGabundo> are we back to that?
[00:47] <Michalxo> BUGabundo, have you got 3 mins?
[00:47]  * BUGabundo looks at clock
[00:47] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gajim/+bug/428172
[00:47]  * BUGabundo clocks says 1am
[00:47] <Michalxo> almost 2 here.. ;)
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: I don't use gajim
[00:48] <Michalxo> can you jsut install it for a while if you have PAudio + koala?
[00:48] <philip> BUGabundo: yes. Back in 9.04 I could just change to ALSA or OSS and it would work. Now there's no options
[00:48] <Michalxo> i hear no sound at all...
[00:50] <BUGabundo> philip: don't do that :(
[00:51] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: you have to wait for some one of the audio team to pick it up
[00:51] <Michalxo> oh, ok then
[00:52] <philip> BUGabundo: so any ideas? or shall I revert back to alpha 5?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> philip: Michalxo: try audio team PPA
[00:52] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[00:54] <Michalxo> btw, it is normal to ask root/sudo pw for nm-applet to connect to wifi?!
[00:54] <BUGabundo> no
[00:54] <Michalxo> it always asks me to type it, it refuses to connect any wifi at all
[00:55] <BUGabundo> but its normal for it to ask your *keychain* pass
[00:55] <Michalxo> happens only when bypassing login = autologin
[00:55] <Michalxo> keychain = user pw?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> I didn't used to be
[00:55] <BUGabundo> but now it is
[00:56] <vlada> hi
[00:56] <BUGabundo> it even FORCES is on upgrades to Karmic
[00:56] <BUGabundo> hey vlada
[00:56] <vlada> anyone willing to help with kubuntu install
[00:56] <vlada> 9.10 of course
[00:56] <BUGabundo> vlada: what do you need?
[00:57] <Michalxo> well.. kubuntu was/is really messed up on my wifi... refuses to join any network at all! (on kde arch-livecd it worked nice!)
[00:57] <vlada> since theres no terminal install Ive tried installing using default frontend
[00:57] <vlada> ubiquity I believe
[00:58] <vlada> problem is with manually specifying partitions... it just wont work
[00:58] <BUGabundo> vlada: there's an alternate installer
[00:58] <vlada> no visual representation of disks
[00:58] <Michalxo> vlada, what about using hirens cd to prepare partitions?
[00:58] <Michalxo> *hirens boot manager
[00:58] <vlada> on first try on second it complaints about missing root partition
[00:59] <Michalxo> or any disk partitioner
[00:59] <vlada> Michalxo: Ive thought about that
[00:59] <vlada> but there is one tiny problem
[00:59] <vlada> I cant specify partition on which I want to install anyway
[01:00] <vlada> so pre-install partitioning wont help
[01:00] <BUGabundo> could be a bun on installer
[01:00] <BUGabundo> are you using daily images?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> *bug
[01:00] <vlada> BUGabundo: yes
[01:00] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:00] <BUGabundo> take a quick look at LP
[01:01] <BUGabundo> if you don't find one, please file
[01:01] <philip> there is an interesting new way to add repos: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev"
[01:01]  * BUGabundo MUST sleep now! tomorrow : Barcamp :)
[01:01] <Michalxo> wow!
[01:01] <vlada> LP?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> philip: yes
[01:01] <BUGabundo> vlada: Launchpad.net
[01:01] <vlada> oh
[01:02] <vlada> BUGabundo: what is alternative installer?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> !daily
[01:02] <BUGabundo> vlada: see the 1st link
[01:02] <BUGabundo> now I need to get to bed
[01:02] <BUGabundo> bye guys
[01:02] <Michalxo> gn
[01:02] <philip> bye BUGabundo
[01:02] <vlada> bye
[01:03] <cwillu> later BUGabundo
[01:03] <BUGabundo> bye my dear friend
[01:03] <vlada> anyoone else?
[01:03] <BUGabundo> miss you
[01:03] <Michalxo> vlada, they are a bit safer taht alternates :)
[01:03] <Michalxo> vlada, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ as BUGabundo posted above
[01:03] <vlada> Michalxo: I missed that
[01:04] <Mulder> anyone had the chance to test ati kms for performance gains lately?
[01:07] <vlada> can someone post me AT so I can login LP
[01:07] <vlada> cant type it
[01:07] <Michalxo> AT?
[01:07] <vlada> :)
[01:07] <vlada> as in email
[01:07] <vlada> something AT something.com
[01:07] <vlada> I need at sign
[01:07] <albert23> @
[01:07] <Michalxo> @@@@@@@@@@@
[01:08] <vlada> my keyoard is screwed :)
[01:08] <vlada> thanx
[01:08] <Michalxo> save it on desktop then :)
[01:08] <philip> where's charmap when you need one? :)
[01:09] <vlada> heh
[01:09] <vlada> missing from live disk :)
[01:09] <Michalxo> just philip alt+f2 charmap :D
[01:09] <Michalxo> it works ;)
[01:09] <Michalxo> well.. i have it on my liveCD :)
[01:10] <philip> attack of the :) s
[01:10] <Michalxo> :))
[01:12] <nzmm> mac_v: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/out-1.ogv :)
[01:13] <AirBender> vlada: is a hardware problem, or just the keyboard layout?
[01:13] <vlada> keyboard layout
[01:13] <vlada> but I have bigger problems now then to reboot
[01:14] <Michalxo> nzmm, ;) very nice
[01:14] <AirBender> the layout is probably in english
[01:14] <philip> yep, pulseaudio is once again hosed
[01:14] <nzmm> Michalxo:  thnx :D
[01:14] <vlada> AirBender: I am struggling to make installer works
[01:14] <AirBender> ok
[01:14] <Michalxo> pls, PM me more.. I think I heard some weird noise from PA using xchat!
[01:15] <vlada> BTW, I have downloaded live cd from posted address
[01:15] <nzmm> philip: pa seems ok here, in fact seems saner now, imho
[01:16] <Michalxo> has xchat ever got a sounds??
[01:24] <AirBender> why none of the music players in gnome have graphic equalizer?
[01:24] <AirBender> I think I saw one in amarok in the past...
[01:26] <nzmm> banshee does, doesnt it?
[01:27] <nzmm> well banshee 1.5.1 which is in a ppa on launchad def has equalizer
[01:33] <AirBender> nzmm: interesting...
[01:33]  * cwillu hopes something comes of this:  bug #428195
[01:34] <NoelJB> Michalxo, have you tried the NetworkManager PPA?
[01:35] <Michalxo> NoelJB, i hadn't internet connecion at all.. so it was impossible to me
[01:36] <Michalxo> anyway.. i don't use kde/kubuntu and it happened to me more then once.. K9.04 did the same to me when I was trying it
[01:36] <Michalxo> time to sleep
[01:36] <Michalxo> gn guys!
[01:36] <AirBender> bye
[01:36] <Michalxo> btw NoelJB 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
[01:37] <NoelJB>  same as mine
[02:07] <neonflx> ne1 knows how to control screen sensor brightness on an asus laptop, there is a fix for intrepid but it does not work on karmic
[02:14] <JanC> AirBender: isn't having a graphic equalizer in each music player like having an equalizer in every player component of your HiFi installation instead of in the amplifier or in its own component...?  ;)
[02:16] <JanC> BTW, I know that somebody is working on a graphic equalizer as a PulseAudio plugin
[02:50] <milan> ok, I've finally managed to install karmic
[02:51] <milan> how can I repartition disk now?
[02:51] <milan> basicly I want to add home partition (separate)
[02:56] <darkham> how many possibilities i've to find some of the new themes in karmic daily live-cd ?
[03:20] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[03:30] <dto> hi ShapeShifter499
[03:30] <ShapeShifter499> so I got another question, I have a Ipod nano 2gb 2gen and I tried to run iloader( http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/ILoader ) on it and messed up, I did restore my ipod through a Mac desktop computer at my high school during a graphics class and now I'm trying to restore my ipod music and can't, its because nautilus is saying my ipod is in read-only mode, how do I fix that, and make the file...
[03:30] <ShapeShifter499> ...system on my ipod writable again?
[03:30] <ShapeShifter499> *note: I do type rather slow*
[03:33] <Pici>  !offtopic
[03:34] <ShapeShifter499> this is on karmic
[03:35] <ShapeShifter499> my computer where my music is has karmic alpha 5 on it
[03:35] <darkham> how many possibilities i've to find some of the new themes in karmic daily live-cd ?
[03:37] <bucky> darkham how about apt-cache search gnome |grep themes  and installing some
[03:39] <ShapeShifter499> ?
[03:41] <darkham> bucky, i mean "Kin theme" "Night Impression theme" "Impression theme" "Hanso theme" "Turrican theme" "Breathe icon theme"
[03:47] <Nattgew> community-
[03:47] <Nattgew> themes?
[03:50] <bucky> darkham, http://www.simplehelp.net/2009/05/26/how-to-install-ubuntu-themes/
[04:41] <philip> I'm having trouble with audio (pops only). Anyone with a fix?
[04:50] <billybigrigger> quite tonight
[04:53] <test34> ubuntu-one is broken ?
[04:54] <billybigrigger> dunno quit using it awhile ago
[04:54] <test34> I get a "application problem" when I try to connect
[04:54] <test34> first time I try using it
[05:03] <arvind_khadri> hi, the laptop version of karmic is really very conked up, text vanishes all of a sudden
[05:04] <arvind_khadri> anyone else expriencing this?
[05:05] <komputes> Can anyone using karmic open a terminal and try the following command and let me know if you get an error: "sudo cd /home"
[05:07] <billybigrigger> i think that's normal
[05:07] <billybigrigger> what are you trying to do?
[05:08] <komputes> billybigrigger: you think what is normal?
[05:08] <billybigrigger> sudo cd not found
[05:09] <komputes> is that normal?
[05:09] <billybigrigger> like i said what are you trying to do
[05:09] <komputes> move to another dir using udo
[05:09] <komputes> sudo*
[05:09] <komputes> trying it in jaunty now
[05:09] <billybigrigger> can't as a normal user?
[05:10] <billybigrigger> *CAUTION* :)
[05:10] <komputes> i can do sudo -s ; cd /home
[05:10] <billybigrigger> you could also try this, but i take no responsibility for what you do to YOUR system :P
[05:10] <billybigrigger> $ sudo /bin/bash
[05:10] <komputes> yep, same thing in jaunty
[05:10] <komputes> no thats fine
[05:11] <komputes> i just wanted to know if it was unexpected behaviour
[05:11] <komputes> anyhow, have a good night billybigrigger
[05:11] <billybigrigger> ahh
[05:11] <billybigrigger> g'nite
[05:25] <ikey> Ok yeah everything can break yada yada.. but is there any date for when the release is?
[05:26] <shadeslayer> ikey: october
[05:26] <ikey> ah thanks
[05:26] <ikey> Yeah last time I installed it I broke my grub lol...
[05:26] <shadeslayer> ikey: thats why its 9.10 :P
[05:26] <ikey> that would make sense...
[05:26] <ikey> why did i never work that out...
[05:27] <shadeslayer> year.month :)
[05:27] <ikey> lolz
[05:27] <ikey> I'm using #! atm, but i de-crunched it xD
[05:27] <ikey> System:    Host silver Kernel 2.6.31-rc9-ikey i686 (32 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.04 jaunty
[05:29] <sparr> X is using the 'nv' driver instead of 'nvidia', what could cause that?
[05:30] <ikey> Not configuring the xorg.conf ?
[05:30] <bjsnider> xorg.conf not correct or missing
[05:30] <ikey> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:31] <ikey> Swap the   Driver   "nv" for   Driver    "nvidia"
[05:31] <sparr> ikey: i don't have specific settings in my xorg.conf
[05:31] <ikey> Doesn't matter in reference to Nvidia
[05:31] <ikey> Just set the driver :)
[05:31] <sparr> no.
[05:31] <bjsnider> orjust use jockey, since it's there for inexperienced users
[05:31] <sparr> it worked for years without adding that line to xorg.conf
[05:31] <sparr> why isn't autodetection working now?
[05:32] <bjsnider> no it did not
[05:32] <bjsnider> xorg.conf has always had to have the nvidia driver in it
[05:32] <sparr> ubuntu comes with a bare bones xorg.conf, with virtually no settings in it.  everything is autodetected, and has worked fine for years
[05:33] <bjsnider> not with the nvidia driver it hasn't
[05:33] <sparr> i haven't played any games in the last few months, so i dont know when it stopped using nvidia and started using nv
[05:37]  * DanaG cues a jab at nvidia:
[05:37] <DanaG> *segfault*
[05:38] <DanaG> (on nvidia 96 on gf4mx.)
[05:38] <bjsnider> DanaG, i tested nouveau using the fedora image yesterday and it worked great. also they said it should work on old junk like you're using
[05:39] <DanaG> yeah, that's what I'm using on the thing.
[05:39] <DanaG> (It's on a spare laptop, by the way.)
[05:40] <DanaG> oh yeah, and at least nouveau works way better than it did in Intrepid, where it hammered the CPU and hard drive.
[05:41] <bjsnider> it will have 3d whent hey gett he gallium driver done
[05:47] <socratees> Hello everyone, I'm using karmic koala and did some s/w upgrades .. and my desktop panels have disappeared completely. any directions?
[05:47] <shadeslayer> socratees: can you do alt+F2?
[05:48] <billybigrigger> socratees, $ killall gnome-panel
[05:48] <billybigrigger> gnome-panel should restart itself
[05:48] <socratees> shadeslayer: alt+F2nope doesn't work
[05:48] <shadeslayer> yep
[05:48] <socratees> let me try that
[05:48] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: seems to be a bigger problem
[05:50] <socratees> shadeslayer: i'm facing this problem since i did an upgrade few minutes back..
[05:50] <philip> to anyone else with sound problems (pops) after updating, use alsamixer to turn up the volume
[05:50] <shadeslayer> socratees: can you remember what you upgraded?
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> sound pops all the time here philip
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> been doing it since rc4
[05:51] <philip> you mean alpha4 :)
[05:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> whatever
[05:51] <socratees> certain parts of xserver and some packages starting in a* .. i used synaptic and upgraded all packages starting with a
[05:51] <arvind_k> socratees, if you are using compiz, shut it off, in appearences set visual effects to none.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> i thought i had a head cold for 2 weeks.. from the poping. :)
[05:52] <billybigrigger> $ killall pulseaudio seems to stop the pops for me here that i've recently noticed in the last few days
[05:52] <shadeslayer> ah.... pulseaudio XD
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> every time somthing does a beep/sound it will do the pop but only once every few mins.
[05:52] <philip> killall PA didn't do it for me, I had to reconfigure it in alsamixer
[05:52] <socratees> shadeslayer: the upgrade wasn't successful. Failed to fetch from ubuntu servers. got an 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> like the cards are going into sleep mode, or somhow 'restarting up'
[05:53] <socratees> arvind_k: thanks. let me check. i'm not sure if i'm using compiz. i'm new to linux
[05:53] <shadeslayer> socratees: switch servers,and update and upgrade again
[05:53] <socratees> shadeslayer: where can i get the new server list? should i update the sources.list file?
[05:54] <arvind_k> socratees, just replace the first two letters in the uri, with another country code say us for united states,or in for india ,likewise
[05:55] <arvind_k> !mirrors | socratees
[05:55] <socratees> arvind_k: okay let me try that
[05:55] <socratees> ubottu: thanks
[05:55] <ikey> lol!
[05:55] <shadeslayer> socratees: you are using?
[05:56] <shadeslayer> thats new
[05:56] <shadeslayer> socratees: i meant what DE are you using?
[05:57] <socratees> shadeslayer: sorry, but what does a DE mean?
[05:57] <shadeslayer> socratees: gnome or KDE?
[05:58] <socratees> shadeslayer: gnome
[05:58] <arvind_k> socratees, desktop environment.
[05:58] <shadeslayer> socratees: then thats your DE (Desktop Env)
[05:58] <bjsnider> even if he can't launch any apps, he can get to a vt
[05:58] <shadeslayer> socratees: you can change servers from synaptic
[06:01] <socratees> shadeslayer: i just updated my sources.list now as per arvind_k's suggestion. now they all point to http://en.ubuntu.*.
[06:02] <arvind_k> socratees, sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:02] <DanaG> hmm, sometimes, even if gnome-terminal won't work, xterm will.
[06:02] <socratees> shadeslayer: i tried to run gnome-panel and it said it wasn't available. so i tried to install it using apt install, and it says gnome-control-center: Depends * not going to be installed.
[06:04] <socratees> arvind_k: let me try that
[06:06] <socratees> arvind_k: your trick seemed to work. thanks :)
[06:07] <socratees> shadeslayer: i pointed my sources.list and installed gnome-panel again. the desktop panel looks good now. it reported some crashes, i'll send them to launchpad.
[06:08] <shadeslayer> socratees: sure thing
[06:08] <billybigrigger> hmm...don't understand why copy/paste a 7.3GB image in nautilus actually copies...i just moved the file up one directory, one the same disk
[06:09] <billybigrigger> i could see disk to another disk, but not up a directory
[06:09] <billybigrigger> ahhh that's why i love CLI :) mv wouldn't have done something so stupid :P
[06:10] <James147> billybigrigger: doesnt nautilus have a move command?
[06:12] <billybigrigger> dunno, don't use it a bunch
[06:12] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, why not cut/paste then?
[06:12] <billybigrigger> i did cut/paste
[06:12] <billybigrigger> and it copied
[06:12] <bjsnider> you said copy/paste
[06:13] <billybigrigger> ctrl-x-ctrl-v
[06:13] <billybigrigger> i meant cut my bad
[06:13] <bjsnider> wel, doesn't do that here
[06:13] <billybigrigger> maybe my fat finger hit ctrl-c-ctrl-v?
[06:13] <James147> billybigrigger: possibally
[06:13] <bjsnider> it could be
[06:13] <billybigrigger> hmmmmm........
[06:13]  * billybigrigger ponders
[06:13] <bjsnider> c is beside v
[06:13] <James147> billybigrigger: could test it again see what it does
[06:13] <freaks> hi there, i have a problem with pulse audio, it often uses 100% of the cpu ..
[06:13] <billybigrigger> very true
[06:14] <billybigrigger> freaks, try the audio dev's PPA for pulseaudio
[06:14] <bjsnider> freaks, you and all other linux users
[06:14] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[06:14]  * billybigrigger just figured out he could patch and burn x360 backups in linux today :)
[06:15] <freaks> thanks billybigrigger i'll try the ppa version
[06:15] <billybigrigger> have to wait until tomorrow for some DL DVDR's
[06:15] <billybigrigger> :(
[06:15] <billybigrigger> freaks, give er a go, *might* make it better :) make sure to cross your fingers haha
[06:15] <gsoerjono> test
[06:15] <billybigrigger> test
[06:19] <ikey> fail.
[07:03] <peepsalot> i have an issue where i am playing some audio, and when i open a terminal or something, and press backspace(for example), it silences the background audio for a second, like it's trying to play a system bell but failing.  i can hear a pop in the audio when it goes silent
[07:08] <mpontillo> peepsalot: shot in the dark suggestion: try "sudo rmmod pcspkr" and see if it still happens?
[07:10] <peepsalot> mpontillo, ERROR: Module pcspkr does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:11] <mpontillo> ah, maybe that was made the default in Karmic. I remember having to do that manually in Jaunty. now there are two blacklist entries for it in /etc/modprobe.d
[07:11] <genii> mpontillo: sudo modprobe -r modulename is preferable, it will also try to unload any sub-dependent modules whereas rmmod does not
[07:12] <mpontillo> genii: good point, but wouldn't rmmod just fail to remove it? I doubt anything would depend on that module anyway.
[07:12] <mpontillo> peepsalot: the other thing I can think to try is adjusting System > Preferences > Sound, under "Sound Effects" you can mute the "Alert volume" - see if that helps?
[07:13] <peepsalot> mpontillo, does not make a difference
[07:14] <peepsalot> did an update recently, gonna restart. brb
[07:23] <peepsalot> restarted, still same issue.  I just realized that it's not going completely silent, but it is making the overall volume very low, barely audible.
[07:24] <mpontillo> peepsalot: odd. have you tried the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA? FWIW, I can't recreate after enabling alert sounds and trying the same thing.  I usually have my sound theme set to "no sounds".
[07:24] <mpontillo> (I am using the PPA though.)
[07:26] <peepsalot> hmm, so far i can only reproduce this if the background audio is from flash video (youtube).  if i open totem it negates the effect somehow
[07:33] <mpontillo> still can not recreate on youtube with pulseaudio version 1:0.9.16-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev1, flashplugin-installer version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1
[07:51] <philip> is there anyway to wipe out all changes to the system and revert back to the original (just installed) state?
[07:53] <billybigrigger> not unless you made a backup at that point
[07:53]  * genii thinks about !downgrade
[07:54] <James147> philip: any reason you cant just reinstall, if you dont need the changes anymore?
[07:57] <philip> James147: reinstallation would take around 30 min, while I think a way to keep track of the changes (uninstalling manually installed packages) would be faster
[07:58] <philip> not to mention I'd have to download the daily image
[08:09] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: can anyone give me the link how to mount partitions manually?
[08:10] <Dr_Willis_Arch> !mount
[08:37] <mostafa_> I wanna write the command that copy the current address to other place what should I do?
[08:41] <hellues> hey
[08:41] <hellues> someone there
[08:47] <Blinkiz> Hi there. I want to find out the UUID of a volume. How can I do this in karmic? Seems like to command "vol_id" is gone?
[08:49] <genii> Blinkiz: sudo blkid
[08:49] <Blinkiz> genii, thanks
[08:49] <genii> np
[08:54] <hellues> how can i lear capacity of dvd
[09:36] <mostafa_> I wanna write this command "sudo shutdown -r now" and ofcourse before doing that I want to ask the user to do this or not how could I do that?
[10:01] <Dr_Willis_Arch> hmm
[10:02] <Dr_Willis_Arch> You want the user to run that command and ask theirself if they really ment it?
[10:07] <ManDay> Hello, is there a minimal installer of Karmic?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis_Arch> ive never noticed.
[10:08] <ManDay> is that something like a reply?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis_Arch> look at the download images and see i guess.
[10:09] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I thinki saw some 'JEOS' Image files for karmic
[10:11] <ManDay> sorry i dont have much of a clue
[10:11] <ManDay> thats why im asking here
[10:11] <ManDay> is there or is there not?
[10:13] <S33K3R> does anyone know any reason why i should not upgrade from jaunty to karmic?
[10:13] <ManDay> if you have no reason
[10:13] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Because Karmic can have some very annoying bugs and brekage
[10:13] <ManDay> you shouldnt
[10:14] <S33K3R> awwww
[10:14] <S33K3R> thats very sad
[10:14] <Dr_Willis_Arch> You would expect us to say 'Yes  Upgrade to alpha software - for no reason!' ?
[10:17] <S33K3R> not at all...its just that october seems so far away!
[10:19] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Given the amount of things that need fixed... id rather see things delayed then rushed.
[10:20] <Dr_Willis_Arch> But the last month befor a relesae is always a rush
[10:20] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Go use it now - if you want to. But there can be problems.
[10:23] <ubuntu> is there a suggested approach to fixing grub2 from a karmic livecd?
[10:24] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Ive read up on the 'grub2 basics' wiki page.  and learn about grub2. but i imagien the approach would depend on the problem you are having.,
[10:24] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I need to read/learn more grub2 - some day.
[10:35] <ubuntu> im trying to reinstall grub 2 with "sudo update-grub2" but i get a "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /." error.  is there a better way to reinstall grub?
[10:45] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Hmm.. THis isent on an Apple Machine is it?
[10:45] <ManDay> Is there a way to update only specific parts in 9.04 to 9.10? For instance only the kernel, x11and intel-graphics drivers?
[10:47] <skyjumper> ManDay: open /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jaunty" to "karmic" and then only upgrade a few packages
[10:47] <ubuntu> Dr_Willis_Arch: nope
[10:56] <ripps> Hmmm... ever since I updated libc, things have acting wonky... I can't download imap, I can't access the keyserver, and mplayer won't play with the coreavc codec I compiled in... I've even tried rebooting
[11:07] <richardcavell> ManDay: it is possible.
[11:08] <richardcavell> ManDay: look at some of the PPAs.  xorg-edgers
[11:08] <ManDay> hm yeah
[11:08] <richardcavell> ManDay: However, be careful because you take a risk that the bleeding-edge builds will not be compatible with each other
[11:08] <ManDay> what is PPA?
[11:08] <richardcavell> ManDay: Personal Package Archive, on launchpad.net
[11:08] <ManDay> ah yeah i see
[11:09] <ManDay> why cant i use the karmic ones?
[11:09] <ManDay> i thought they have their things updated?
[11:09] <richardcavell> ManDay: bad idea
[11:09] <ManDay> why so?
[11:09] <richardcavell> ManDay: you either upgrade your whole distro or not at all
[11:09] <richardcavell> you'll break dependencies all over the place if you upgrade some parts and not others
[11:09] <ManDay> mind to explain? why can i not just update kernel and take the xorg things from karmic for jaunty?
[11:10] <ManDay> wouldnt i also break deps with the PPAs?
[11:10] <richardcavell> Xorg, X11, GNOME, GDM, the kernel, the drivers, etc, they're all tied in too closely to other packages.
[11:10] <ManDay> whats the difference?
[11:11] <richardcavell> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[11:11] <richardcavell> start with that
[11:11] <richardcavell> You won't break deps with the PPAs
[11:11] <richardcavell> dude seriously, don't install karmic packages on Jaunty unless you know what you're doing
[11:13] <krushia> and if you DO know what you're doing, you'll realize you should be using something like gentoo if you want the flex "mix and match" you desire
[11:15] <Tallken> hum, dontzap isn't in Karmic repos?
[11:15] <richardcavell> ManDay: listen, add that PPA to your sources.list and upgrade xorg to the latest version
[11:15] <Tallken> I know how-to edit xorg.conf, but got curious with it not available
[11:16] <richardcavell> ManDay: it will automatically pull in all the appropriate dependencies, built against each other
[11:18] <ripps> Tallken: you can enable ctrl-alt-bksp by going into System->Keyboard->Layout->Layout Options->Key Sequence to kill the X Server
[11:19] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Is that where they moved it to?
[11:19] <richardcavell> Tallken: I installed dontzap and it didn't work
[11:19] <richardcavell> Tallken: but my MacBook had a bit of custom stuff on it so I'm not sure if that's true for everyone in karmic
[11:19] <Dr_Willis_Arch> yea - i noticed dontzap dont work any more either. :)
[11:20] <Twigathy> w 23
[11:20] <ripps> No need to install any app or add special conf options, it's built into gnome as an optional config
[11:20] <Twigathy> no.
[11:20] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Getting where theres so many little settings all over the place in dioffernt locations that keep changeing..
[11:20] <Dr_Willis_Arch> ripps:  what if im not using gnome. :)
[11:20] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I always found it amuseing we had to have a little tool just to 'tweak' a single line in the xorg.conf.. but i,m not even sure that line is in the xorg.conf any more
[11:20] <ripps> Dr_Willis_Arch: a similar option should be available in the latest KDE for karmic
[11:21] <ripps> otherwise, you need to add an entry to some file in your home directory. Google it.
[11:21] <arvind_khadri> hi, how can i share files across 2 ubuntu machines, they are in the same network..
[11:21] <Dr_Willis_Arch> no more just ediing my xorg.conf to add the proper line eh?
[11:22] <Dr_Willis_Arch> arvind_khadri:  samba or nfs, or sshfs can do that.
[11:22] <Dr_Willis_Arch> arvind_khadri:  sshfs is fairly easy to get going  if you just need to get it done for now. and dont want to mess with configring samba or nfs.
[11:22] <ripps> samba is probably the most user-friendly, but it has it's problems, just like any network share protocal
[11:23] <Dr_Willis_Arch> actually the gnome file manager can connect to a remote machine i recall. But not sure if ssh needs to be isntalled on it or not.
[11:23] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis_Arch, i have configured samba :)
[11:23] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I always set up samba to share the users 'home' dirs -  that makes it a bit easier to get stuff around.
[11:23] <ripps> I think sharing options can be configre straight from the right-click menu in nautilus
[11:23] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis_Arch, let me check that then, thanks ripps
[11:24] <Dr_Willis_Arch> dozen ways to do it in linux. :)
[11:25] <Tallken> ripps: I'm on KDE but thx anyway :)
[11:25] <Tallken> richardcavell: but I can't even find it at the repos :p
[11:25] <richardcavell> Tallken: yeah it's not in there
[11:26] <Tallken> :p
[11:26] <richardcavell> You can get it from the Jaunty repo
[11:26] <richardcavell> but it doesn't work (for me)
[11:27] <mac_v> how about " Alt+SysRq+K " ?
[11:28] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Im so used to alt-ctrl-backspace :)
[11:28] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Tell most people to use the 'sysreq' key and they look at you like... HUH@!?
[11:29] <mac_v> hehe , then tell "PrtSc" .... ;p
[11:32] <ManDay> richardcavell, so PPA for bleeding edge is as current as Karmic but with dependencies configured for jaunty, do i get this right?
[11:32] <richardcavell> yeah
[11:32] <richardcavell> although the PPA isn't necessarily in lockstep with karmic
[11:33] <Dr_Willis_Arch> So err.. i heed to hit SHIFT-PrintScreen to get Sysreq? :)
[11:33] <richardcavell> the dependencies are configured for Jaunty, though, that's the crucial difference
[11:33] <Dr_Willis_Arch> 'linux - letting you use those keys  that  You never relized even exist - for over 20 year!'
[11:33] <richardcavell> ManDay: go to that PPA and add it to your sources
[11:34] <richardcavell> ManDay: then install xorg and all its dependencies
[11:34] <ripps> Alt+Printscreen isn't it?
[11:34] <richardcavell> ManDay: trust me, don't do this any other way
[11:36] <ManDay> ok, ill heed it
[11:38] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[11:38] <eagles0513875> :(
[11:43] <Tallken> SysRq here is Fn+delete
[11:44] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Tallken:  so you need to hit  alt-sysreq-k-fn-delete ?
[11:44] <Dr_Willis_Arch> :)
[11:46] <Tallken> and supposedly Alt+SysRq+K killed X11 as well
[11:46] <Tallken> Dr_Willis_Arch: yes :p
[11:47] <Tallken> no
[11:47] <Dr_Willis_Arch> I see a trip to the emergancy room in store for Tallken  if he tries that too fast.
[11:47] <Tallken> Alt+Fn+Delete+K for example
[11:47] <Tallken> ?
[11:47]  * Dr_Willis_Arch pictures fingers tied in knots like in the cartoons.
[11:48] <Dr_Willis_Arch> ask the wife to come over and hit the K key while you hold down all the other modifier keys. :)
[11:50] <Tallken> ah lol
[11:50] <Tallken> :p
[11:50] <Tallken> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[11:50] <Tallken> KDE, Gnome, HAL & generic Xorg howto enable Zappiing
[11:51] <Tallken> [previous link]
[11:51] <Tallken> and found a bug report saying the xorg.conf way was not working
[11:51] <Dr_Willis_Arch> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[11:51] <Tallken> [ubuntu karmic] no zapping although enabled in xorg:  #407001
[11:51] <Tallken> hum no ubottu here?
[11:52] <Tallken> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/407001
[11:52]  * Dr_Willis_Arch bookmarks http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[11:52] <Dr_Willis_Arch> that will be SUCH a faq i bet..
[11:52] <Tallken> ubottu: you're late! :D
[11:53] <Tallken> and still waiting for libmsn for Kopete to be packaged... switched to Pidgin in the meanwhile. #424925
[11:54] <Tallken> does anyone here uses a GTK app which uses a tray icon on KDE? Pidgin's trayicon if enabled on start on KDE gets like it was zoomed and trimmed to fit; however if I enable it after Pidgin is fully loaded it will display properly
[12:01] <fuzzybunny> Does anyone have any experience getting the following webcam working on Ubuntu? Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05ca:1839 Ricoh Co., Ltd Visual Communication Camera VGP-VCC6 [R5U870]
[12:11] <tilgovi> any way I can get the boot sequence (no quiet/splash) to display the modules udev loads *BEFORE* it loads them. I can't figure out where this is hanging....
[12:14] <tilgovi> ahh...maybe /etc/udev/udev.conf->udev_log?
[12:18] <lennart_> Hello anyone, i'm having some problems with a bug, what happens is; when i remove the power cable from my laptop, the computer goes to sleep. Im running karmic alpha5 with latest upgrades on a hp dv1667
[12:18] <Tallken> #407001 is duplicate of #391129
[12:19] <acicula> how can i disable ipv6 in karmic or change it so ipv4 is preferred?
[12:30] <eagles0513875> acicula: i have seen a number of articles if you search for disabling ipv6 on google
[12:30] <eagles0513875> that explain  how
[12:34] <arvind_khadri> when i try to share, i get this: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. Memory allocation error...any idea how can i solve it
[12:37] <junkY_San> hey, what are the space requirements for karmic netbook?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis_Arch> arvind_khadri:   check that the samba package is isntalled? ( ive had issues where it ddient get installed automatifally when it should have)
[12:38] <Dr_Willis_Arch> junkY_San:  well it comes on an iso file/cd - so i would guess its about the same as a normal uvbuntu install. around 3 gb min.
[12:48] <junkY_San> mh :/ i wanted to install it on a netbook with 2gb ssd
[12:48] <junkY_San> during the installation it stopped
[12:52] <nztal-> my rv620 graphics chipset card has not worked on a daily build live cd for some time now.  i would assmue i'm not the only one with that video card.  any way to check for bugs. safe to assume it will work when its released ?  i wish i could run karmic now
[12:53] <test34>  nztal- why can't you?
[12:54] <nztal-> because support for rv620 doesn't work the last time i've tried the live daily build
[12:55] <nztal-> last few times in fact
[12:55] <test34> ahh ok I misread
[12:56] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis_Arch, smbd is failing, and apport is not able to report it
[12:56] <Dr_Willis_Arch> Hmm.. thats .. odd.
[12:57] <Dr_Willis_Arch> ive not rebooted since i updated a while ago.
[12:58] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis_Arch, got it, i had samba 4 too, removed it
[12:58] <Dr_Willis_Arch> and i had 200+mb of updates. SO there may be somthing recently broken.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis_Arch> :)
[12:59] <Dr_Willis_Arch> i wonder when samba4 will become the default..
[13:03] <lucas_> hey
[13:03] <lucas_> i wrpte data to cd
[13:03] <lucas_> i took this message from brasero
[13:03] <lucas_> what does it mean http://paste.org/pastebin/view/10398
[13:08] <penguin42> hmm fun error
[13:09] <penguin42> wikipedia says rockridge is supposed to be able to do 255 char names
[13:12] <lucas_> honk
[13:12] <lucas_> this errror is about name of files ?
[13:14] <penguin42> looks like it to me
[13:15] <penguin42> the thing about 'has same rockridge name'
[13:15] <penguin42> I think it's trying to limit the length of the name to some lengthbut given they are quite long getting confused - but there again the way I read it it shouldn't need to be any shorter than 255
[13:17] <lucas_> thiss wastes my dvd
[13:17] <lucas_> because of character length problem !
[13:17] <penguin42> that's the way I read the error
[13:17] <lucas_> fuck
[13:17] <lucas_> my three dvd two cd is wasted
[13:18] <lucas_> what can i do for fixing that
[13:19] <penguin42> not sure; I'd try seeing if any of the CD burners have a test mode to see if it's OK before burning, and I'd look at another burner but also see what the name limit really is
[13:20] <arvind_khadri> do both the machines need to have samba for file sharing?
[13:21] <jadams_> if I try to play a flash video with rhythmbox playing, there's no sound in flash and rhythmbox's sound is frozen until I manually kill the flashplugin
[13:21] <penguin42> arvind_khadri: There's a server and a client - you need to have at least a server on the machine you are sharing from, and a client on where you want to get to it from
[13:22] <arvind_khadri> penguin42, i have the client and server, but the client says that its unable to get the file list, whereas on the server its been successfully shared.what more do i need to do?
[13:22] <penguin42> jadams_: Yeh not an unusual problem - I get the same thing
[13:22] <jadams_> penguin42, :(  No fix then?
[13:22] <penguin42> arvind_khadri: Not sure - I'm no particular samba expert
[13:22] <jadams_> I assume that, when it happens, you can't click anything inside a flash video either.  correct?  like, you can't fullscreen youtube for instance
[13:23] <penguin42> jadams_: In theory the flash is supposed to get it's sound wired through pulseaudio so it should all work at the same time - but it doesn't for me
[13:23] <penguin42> jadams_: I don't seem to have that problem - although I do use nspluginwrapper rather than the straight flash player
[13:23] <jadams_> penguin42, I use nspluginwrapper too
[13:24] <penguin42> jadams_: I'm using exaile rather than nspluginwrapper; but I don't think that makes much difference - as long as I pause it before I play flash and don't restart it until I've stoppped flash I seem OK
[13:24] <jadams_> ahh
[13:25] <penguin42> I've also switched to chromium from firefox - flash seems a LOT more stable
[13:25] <MenZa> aye
[13:25] <MenZa> I still use Firefox for the extensions
[13:25] <MenZa> But Chromium is very, very solid these days
[13:40] <darkham> where i can look changes between karmic daily live cds?
[13:54] <Wistful> darkham: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview , http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[13:59] <S33K3R> anybody home?
[14:01] <S33K3R> what are the major bugs in karmic?
[14:01] <penguin42> S33K3R: It's not being too bad for me
[14:02] <S33K3R> penguin42: so wld u advice me to try?
[14:02] <penguin42> S33K3R: For me it's OK, but remember it's still in Alpha so it could do very nasty things; I'd only try it either on a non-main machine, or if you really know how to undo screwups
[14:05] <mac_v> S33K3R: the most common problems are audio , but hei there is always a chance you can catch a new bug ;p
[14:06] <S33K3R> penguin42: then i guess i'd have to wait for the final coz i run a triple boot and won't want anything to mess with my workstation.
[14:07] <S33K3R> and October seems so far away!!! i wish i had more than 1 PC
[14:07] <penguin42> S33K3R: Get a 2nd hard drive
[14:07] <tilgovi> S33K3R: fwiw I really enjoy my experience with karmic, but I've pretty much been filing and/or commenting on bugs non stop
[14:08] <tilgovi> btw...I'm debugging something nasty right now. If I start up with a kernel init=/bin/bash is there a way to get from bash to a regular init process?
[14:08] <tilgovi> can I just `exec init` or something?
[14:08] <penguin42> I think so - but the problem is you might miss a lot of what was done in initrd?
[14:08] <S33K3R> but have the bugs been given any attention?
[14:08] <tilgovi> I'd like sometimes to be able to say "continue as normal" and not get a kernel panic from killing init
[14:08] <tilgovi> S33K3R: Yeah. Good response from what I see. People are really active on Karmic bugs right now.
[14:09] <tilgovi> S33K3R: More often than not the problem is over-activity, and too many duplicate reports.
[14:09] <S33K3R> true
[14:09] <tilgovi> if you do install it, make sure to search launchpad a lot before filing a new report
[14:09] <tilgovi> searching google isn't enough, because it doesn't index launchpad fast enough to keep up :)
[14:10] <S33K3R> tilgovi: ok
[14:10] <S33K3R> i'll just take the dive and see what happens...wish me luck!!!
[14:11] <tilgovi> S33K3R: good luck! chances are you won't b0rk your triple boot. so you'll still have some working partitions :-P
[14:11] <S33K3R> tilgovi: thanks and i hope so
[14:12] <kei> hey, what's the module to blacklist to disable the annoying pc speaker in karmic?
[14:12] <S33K3R> see y'all after the upgrade...i'll be back to share my experience
[14:13] <mac_v> S33K3R: i boot into quadruple boot and have been using karmic since alpha 3 no huge prbs here :)
[14:13]  * tilgovi sighs
[14:13] <tilgovi> Damn udev is hanging on *something* and I've been up all night trying to figure out what
[14:13] <tilgovi> how do people debug this junk?
[14:13] <mac_v> tilgovi: whats the udev prob?
[14:14] <tilgovi> mac_v: well...I feel guilty asking about it specifically because it's on a jaunty system using a ppa with the karmic kernel and supporting deps
[14:14] <tilgovi> so it's a frankenstein box
[14:14]  * mac_v  o.0 , is scared :s
[14:15] <tilgovi> but on boot, udev starts and then waits for devices to settle. the settle times out after 180 seconds.
[14:15] <tilgovi> I can't figure out what device is causing it.
[14:15] <mac_v> laptop or desktop?
[14:15] <tilgovi> laptop
[14:15] <mac_v> does it have a built in webcam?
[14:15] <tilgovi> mac_v: nope
[14:15] <tilgovi> it's olddd. inspiron 2600
[14:15] <mac_v> hrm...
[14:16] <mac_v> nope... no ideas :(
[14:16] <tilgovi> mac_v: I'm just annoyed that the debug output isn't more useful
[14:17] <tilgovi> I turned on debug logging for udev and I can see where there's a 180 second delay in the timestamps
[14:17] <tilgovi> but no amount of blacklisting modules around that delay seems to help...before or after
[14:17] <tilgovi> not sure what's causing the queue to lock up
[14:20] <tilgovi> mac_v: the last thing in my udev log before it appears truncated is (according to lspci) the ISA bridge.
[14:20] <tilgovi> ?
[14:23] <mac_v> tilgovi: could you pastebin the udev log and the syslog?
[14:23] <tilgovi> mac_v: sure...one moment
[14:27] <tilgovi> mac_v: actually...uh...this is non-trivial, but give me a second
[14:29] <tilgovi> i probably should have just installed the kernel from mainline
[14:30] <mac_v> tilgovi: what other peripherals do you have?
[14:30] <tilgovi> absolutely none
[14:30] <mac_v> some card bus might not have the proper driver... hence might be causing this
[14:31] <tilgovi> mac_v: fwiw it boots in the jaunty kernel
[14:31] <tilgovi> even with my frakenstein udev
[14:31] <mac_v> tilgovi: where did you install karmic kernel from?
[14:32] <tilgovi> mac_v: here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~a7x/+archive/kbp
[14:32] <tilgovi> like I said...I maybe should have used the mainline kernel instead.
[14:32] <tilgovi> but, not sure really, tbh
[14:32] <tilgovi> this was a bit of an experiment
[14:33] <mac_v> tilgovi: yeah , its better you download from > https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[14:36] <tilgovi> mac_v: well. karmic is not quite stable enough, and this is a box I wanted to construct for a relative.
[14:37] <tilgovi> mac_v: but there's a nasty font rendering bug in jaunty that causes the fonts in X to corrupt after a while. new kernel fixes it.
[14:37] <tilgovi> so, this was what I decided to try :)
[14:37] <tilgovi> I appreciate your help...it's totally above and beyond.
[14:37] <tgpraveen>  can someone using karmic tell whether notifications are shown in fullscreen apps or not? and notifications are  type  like pidgin someone comes online or gives a im msg
[14:37] <tilgovi> I'm trying to trim down the logs now, to only the most recent boot
[14:40] <tilgovi> mac_v: syslog: http://www.friendpaste.com/5KX8zWt9mhOesM1ItFvQXu
[14:41] <tilgovi> and udev: http://www.friendpaste.com/6oLjdlwo62iqw4tyGVlFHI
[14:44] <penguin42> hmm
[14:44] <mac_v> tgpraveen: i think they are suppressed
[14:44] <mac_v> i havent seen a notification while watching a video
[14:45] <tgpraveen> mac_v: hmm. is there a do not disturb mode iavailable?
[14:45] <twright> mac_v, they are as far as I know apart from volume control etc.
[14:46] <mac_v> tgpraveen: no
[14:46] <mac_v> twright: huh?
[14:46] <alteregoa> high
[14:46] <tgpraveen> mac_v: hmm then it is probably not a good decision
[14:46] <alteregoa> i made a smoking diet
[14:46] <mac_v> tgpraveen: yeah
[14:47] <alteregoa> because smokin makes thin
[14:47] <mac_v> !offtopic | alteregoa
[14:47] <alteregoa> ah sorry i thought im on #dog-diet
[14:47] <alteregoa> i still got  a lilo crap
[14:48] <alteregoa> erase lilo from the repo plz
[14:48] <twright> mac_v, the notifications
[14:48] <tilgovi> mac_v: not sure I would trust the udev log...it appears not to be updating...strangely
[14:48] <alteregoa> those old crap is unusual irrational and not logical
[14:48] <mac_v> tilgovi: yeah , i'm stumped too
[14:49] <mac_v> tgpraveen: are you writing a mail the ayatana?
[14:50] <tgpraveen> mac_v: no. I have already written 2 with no response
[14:50] <tgpraveen> mac_v: maybe you should
[14:50] <alteregoa> how can i unselect lilo from the upgrade?
[14:50] <alteregoa> it wants to install lilo but i got grub2 installed
[14:51] <tgpraveen> mac_v: lemme check
[14:52] <tgpraveen> mac_v: 2 days ago
[14:52] <mac_v> i'm no it ;)
[14:52] <mac_v> on*
[14:53] <tgpraveen> mac_v: gr8!
[15:05] <SLXmnT> HELLO help me - i have a 8GB pendrive. and i want to use it permanent HDD in UBUNTU 9.10. it is  possible?
[15:06] <tgpraveen> in karmic what is the keyboard shortcut for shutdown /restart?
[15:06] <Dr-Willis> SLXmnT:  clarify what you mean by that.
[15:07] <SLXmnT> Dr-Willis
[15:07] <SLXmnT> i have a PEN DRIVE 8 GB
[15:07] <SLXmnT> i want ti PERMANENT HDD
[15:08] <SLXmnT> 4GB install full OS
[15:08] <SLXmnT> ubuntu / LXmint
[15:08] <SLXmnT> i like Ubuntu
[15:09] <penguin42> SLXmnT: I think 'make usb startup disk' on the administrator menu can do it
[15:09] <penguin42> but I'm not sure if that does a full install?
[15:09] <SLXmnT> wht need SPACE for full install?
[15:09] <SLXmnT> i knw 4GB enough.
[15:10] <SLXmnT> ok 5GB?
[15:10] <DarKnighT`> plz help
[15:11] <villewitt> SLXmnt: This could do it aswell I guess: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/installing-ubuntu-to-a-usb-hard-drive/
[15:11] <DarKnighT`> thnx
[15:11] <DarKnighT`> visit now
[15:11]  * penguin42 wonders why his indicator icon is a little grey square rather an a nice happy green blob
[15:11] <Dr-Willis> SLXmnT:   your use of the term 'perment' is basically meaning less. :) theres several ways to install to a pendrive. Unetbootin can do it. or the ubuntu usb-disk maker tool can (the best way i suggest)
[15:12] <DarKnighT`> Dear all
[15:12] <DarKnighT`> already i use UNETBOOTIN
[15:13] <DarKnighT`> but
[15:13] <Dr-Willis> Unetbootin works very well. but does not make a 'peristant save file'
[15:13] <DarKnighT`> its only LIVE
[15:13] <Dr-Willis> The ubuntu usb-creatore tool can
[15:13] <ubuntu> Where I can edit the message that appears BEBFORE you type the password if somebody wants to access my server ?
[15:13] <DarKnighT`> but i want make a PERMANENT :) plz help
[15:13] <Dr-Willis> The scripts at pendrivelinux.com also discuss making a 'peristant' save file
[15:14] <Dr-Willis> DarKnighT`:  you are wanting to make a 'persistant' installed save file system..  'Permenet' means nothing. Its PERSISTANT
[15:14] <DarKnighT`> hmm
[15:14] <DarKnighT`> like HDD
[15:14] <DarKnighT`> :)
[15:15] <Dr-Willis> its Not quite the same as an isntall to a normal Hard drive. Its  a Livecd+persistant data storage
[15:15] <DarKnighT`> :(
[15:15] <DarKnighT`> how can i possible it.
[15:15] <Dr-Willis> Theres no need to do a 'normal' install to a flash drive - in fact it can wear it out
[15:16] <villewitt> ...and it's more hardware bound -> will not boot on the same amount of hardware
[15:16] <Dr-Willis> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/what-is-persistent-linux/
[15:16] <Dr-Willis> read up on it.
[15:16] <DarKnighT`> ok brother
[15:16] <Dr-Willis> For USB Linux users, a persistent Linux install is one that allows it's user to save data changes back to the USB storage device instead of leaving the information in system RAM. This data can then be recovered and used again on subsequent boots
[15:17] <Dr-Willis> even when booting from different machines. Typically a separate Persistent storage space is used in conjunction with a compressed Live Linux OS.
[15:17] <DarKnighT`> hmm
[15:17] <DarKnighT`> u r right
[15:17] <Dr-Willis> I use the feature all the time.
[15:17] <Dr-Willis> I make a 'rescue flash drive' for  most pc's i build
[15:17] <DarKnighT`> i am use UBUNTU
[15:18] <DarKnighT`> in my 8 GB
[15:18] <DarKnighT`> when i every time shutdown my PC i lost my every DATA :(
[15:18] <DarKnighT`> no i think
[15:19] <DarKnighT`> use Gparted Partition my Pendrive
[15:19] <Dr-Willis> You have totally missed why we keep using the termn 'persistent' Linux Install then...
[15:19] <Dr-Willis> You do a persistant install.. and you WONT lose data
[15:19] <DarKnighT`> when i install
[15:20] <DarKnighT`> i give UBUNTU 2GB
[15:20] <DarKnighT`> already i partition my PEN DRIVE
[15:24] <tgpraveen1> #join #grind,#ubuntu-desktop,#ubuntu-devel,##linux-india,#nm
[15:25]  * penguin42 hands tgpraveena /
[15:25] <Dr-Willis> hes was going to  join #join ! :)
[15:26] <DarKnighT`> lol
[15:26] <DarKnighT`> LOL
[15:26] <DarKnighT`> :))
[15:26] <DarKnighT`> Dr-Willis r u know about Ubuntu server?
[15:27] <Dr-Willis> thats a rather big topic.
[15:27] <Dr-Willis> Ubuntu can work as a server.. yes.
[15:27] <DarKnighT`> great
[15:28] <DarKnighT`> but ubuntu server edition run64BIT machine
[15:28] <Dr-Willis> I think one can say that every linux distro can work as a 'server'
[15:28] <eagles0513875> DarKnighT`: all have a 64bit or 32 bit option wether it be the server or desktop
[15:28] <DarKnighT`> u r right
[15:28] <DarKnighT`> hmm
[15:28] <eagles0513875> i have 64bit server version running on an old laptop of mine
[15:29] <eagles0513875> if you do go 64bit there is the ia32libs to allow for backwards compatibility with 32bit libs
[15:29] <eagles0513875> !ia32libs
[15:29] <DarKnighT`> i am new Linux. please dont mind for my faul question
[15:29] <Dr-Willis> use 64bit versiion if you can.
[15:29] <tgpraveen1> hehe
[15:29] <tgpraveen1> made a typo
[15:29] <Dr-Willis> if you are 'new' then you proberly shouldnet be using the Alpha Version of Ubuntu.
[15:29] <eagles0513875> its ok dude but this channel would be ill advised for you then DarKnighT` as this is for the new version due out in october
[15:29] <eagles0513875> Dr-Willis: ya exactly
[15:30] <Dr-Willis> !training
[15:33] <tilgovi> mac_v: I just added the karmic repository and pinned it so I can pull in just the kernel and deps.
[15:33] <tilgovi> I don't have a lot of confidence it will end well, but it's worth a shot.
[15:34] <mac_v> ;)
[15:34] <tilgovi> I can't give this laptop to my mother with the font corruption in jaunty and I can't leave for the other coast and leave her an alpha box :)
[15:36] <penguin42> tilgovi: An alpha box that works may be better than a release one that doesn't
[15:37] <tilgovi> penguin42: truth...we'll soon find out which it's going to be.
[15:37] <tilgovi> although, it's a quite old laptop, so I was installing xubuntu and the latest alpha 5 livecd for xubuntu is garbage. I had all sorts of problems with it yesterday when I tried.
[15:40] <tilgovi> wouldn't even install cleanly after I md5sum'd the image and verify the burn.
[15:41] <penguin42> how did it fail?
[15:41] <Dr-Willis> !find wally
[15:41] <eagles0513875> tilgovi: i kinda haaving issues with alpha 5 and boot camp
[15:42] <eagles0513875> on 10.5.8 havent tried with bootcamp on 10.6.1
[15:42] <eagles0513875> was having issues getting grub installed right wiht the alternate cd
[15:42] <tilgovi> penguin42: errors configuring packages during the install. I remember openoffice-bin-filter (sp?), but possibly others too
[15:42] <penguin42> tilgovi: Weird, that shouldn't be hardware specific
[15:43] <eagles0513875> penguin42: im thinking my issue is hardware specific
[15:43] <eagles0513875> or not
[15:43] <tilgovi> penguin42: yeah, I agree. But I do recall running the md5sum and a verify on the cd.
[15:43] <eagles0513875> grub 2 doesnt like the location i was specifiying it on the hard drive or the partition for some reason
[15:44] <tilgovi> penguin42: One problem I did notice though (I should check lp) is that it doesn't take your default kernel parameters from the livecd boot when creating your grub config file
[15:44] <eagles0513875> tilgovi: i think my issue has to do with grub2 cuz jaunty duel boots just fine
[15:45] <tilgovi> eagles0513875: what's your problem, exactly?
[15:45] <eagles0513875> i am not sure what big changes there have been from the original grub to grub 2
[15:45] <eagles0513875> hell i have a macbook pro and for some reason i couldnt get grub installed using the alternate cd
[15:45] <eagles0513875> and the regular cd wouldnt boot x at all
[15:46] <eagles0513875> drops me to a tty
[15:46] <Dr-Willis> grub2 is a radically differant beast then grub1 :)
[15:46] <tilgovi> penguin42: huh...look at that. updated jaunty with a pinned karmic pulling the newest kernel and deps just booted into xubuntu no problem on this old dell. hurray!
[15:47] <eagles0513875> Dr-Willis: that explains the issue im probably having
[15:48] <eagles0513875> Dr-Willis: the installation concepts are the same as to where it is installed no?
[15:49] <eagles0513875> in the mbr or at the beginning of the partition where the installation is
[15:49] <Dr-Willis> eagles0513875:  it still goes to the mbr or the boot record of the drive - yes
[15:50] <Dr-Willis> but other then that.. :) everything else is different
[15:50] <eagles0513875> in my case of using boot camp it would go in the mbr of the partition i designated for it or the partition of osx
[15:51] <Dr-Willis> I cant really say.  Never tried any of the new apple machines. And ive heard of many others in here with Issues with them and  the Alpha releases
[15:52] <eagles0513875> thing is with grub 1 in jaunty it works and installs no headaches
[15:52] <eagles0513875> but for some reason wiht grub 2 and karmic
[15:52] <eagles0513875> nothing
[15:53] <penguin42> well no surprise that grub2 will break some things; as long as the bug is there I'm sure it will get fixed
[15:53] <eagles0513875> penguin42: you would hope
[15:53] <eagles0513875> hope its not a bug like that intel bug floating around this release
[15:53] <Dr-Willis> I think one of the goals of grub2 was to be 'more compaitable' witn a broader range of hardware
[15:54] <eagles0513875> omg that was a nightmare and it seems to occasinaly surface with karmic as well from what i have seen
[15:54] <Dr-Willis> which intel bug? :)
[15:55] <eagles0513875> the graphics bug
[15:55] <eagles0513875> with the 965 chips
[15:55] <penguin42> which intel graphics bug :-)
[15:55] <Dr-Willis> Yep. :) i had to tweak both my laptops
[15:55] <Dr-Willis> but once i learned how to do it on the first one.. the 2nd took about 4 min.
[15:55] <eagles0513875> ya well seems from a bug report i got yesterday it surfaced on karmic so be warned
[15:59] <eagles0513875> karmic i like though
[16:00] <eagles0513875> wish we could choose when installing what browser we want as well as which office suite
[16:00] <Dr-Willis> id be happy if we could just say 'no thank you' i dont want an office suit :)
[16:00] <Dr-Willis> I tend to just use abiword
[16:01] <eagles0513875> exactly
[16:01] <Dr-Willis> (yes i have very minimal needs)
[16:01] <eagles0513875> well this idea came to me from seeing what the courts made msft do in regards to browser
[16:01] <eagles0513875> in win 7 you dont have to keep ie
[16:01] <eagles0513875> you can choose between safari opera chrome and firefox
[16:01] <Dr-Willis> i'll belive that when i see it.
[16:01] <eagles0513875> heheh 22nd october
[16:02] <Dr-Willis> so many of these ms sites require activeX to do things...
[16:02] <eagles0513875> active x is so insecure
[16:02] <Dr-Willis> I finally found a site that let you get MS updates with firefox.
[16:02] <eagles0513875> my school has come to its senses
[16:07] <eagles0513875> Dr-Willis: thing is in vista and 7 u dont use a website its a program that runs in a regular so you dont need ie
[16:07] <eagles0513875> with xp that was when it was first released and it required ie
[16:30] <penguin42> is X still supposed to be running as root? I thought with kms and firends it shouldn't be necessary?
[16:31] <eagles0513875> not sure
[16:34] <cwillu> it still runs as root for now, yes
[16:35] <cwillu> don't think that's changing this release
[16:35] <eagles0513875> hi cwillu
[16:35] <cwillu> poke poke
[16:35] <eagles0513875> O_o
[16:35] <cwillu> it's what I do
[16:35] <eagles0513875> hehe
[16:35] <eagles0513875> how goes it m8
[16:36] <eagles0513875> i hope the issue i was having with alpha 5 duel booting with bootcamp on a macbook pro gets resolved
[16:36] <eagles0513875> both my issues one wiht regular install and the other with grub on the alternate cd
[16:41] <genii> The term "duel booting" seems... apt here
[16:43] <eagles0513875> genii: O_O i know but for some reason karmic alpha 5 doesnt work
[16:43] <eagles0513875> with the alternate cd i cant get grub 2 installed
[16:43] <eagles0513875> this is using boot camp to partition my drive
[16:43] <joni> anyone have info on intel 915GL video and compiz effects in 9.10?
[16:44] <eagles0513875> and 2ndly on the regular cd it drops me down to a tty prompt and no gui no nothing
[16:46] <edgy> Hi, I have ATI M96 4650 card and glxgears: IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 16
[16:46] <edgy> no rrb
[16:46] <edgy> drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -22
[16:46] <edgy> should I load the radeonhd driver somehow or what?
[16:51] <S33K3R> i'm trying to upgrade from jaunty to karmic. i use a 1mbps DSL connect andmy download is running at a maximum of 57kbps. anyone know why?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> S33K3R: slow server?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> S33K3R: try switching servers and try again
[16:51] <S33K3R> how do i do that please?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> S33K3R: in ubuntu its via synaptic,in kubuntu via kpackagekit
[16:52] <S33K3R> thnx
[16:52] <joni> S33K3R, if on the east side US, use georgia tech. my friends use them far out as houston and still faster.
[16:52] <S33K3R> i'm not in the US
[16:53] <andresmh> Where should I report the fact that the LED on my thinkpad that indicates muted sound doesn't turn on/off anymore? It used to work until this week's updates.
[16:53] <joni> eh, thats cool, getone closer to you
[16:53] <andresmh> (with where I mean, which package)
[16:53] <shadeslayer> andresmh: are you sure it didnt blow out or something?
[16:53] <joni> anyone have info on intel 915GL video and compiz effects in 9.10?
[16:54] <andresmh> shadeslayer, i am not sure, but i guess it would be too much of a coincidence that it started happening after the latest updates.
[16:54] <andresmh> plus haven't there been changes about those features on HAL
[16:54] <shadeslayer> andresmh: yeah but you can check with xset
[16:54] <andresmh> shadeslayer, interesting, tell me more about xset
[16:55] <shadeslayer> andresmh: xset led 1-32 sets the led on,xset -led 1-32 sets the led off
[16:55] <shadeslayer> where 1-32 is a no. b/w 1 and 32,each no. represents a led
[16:56] <andresmh> shadeslayer, cool. didn't know about that command. i tried for 1 to 6  but nothing seems to turn off/on
[16:57] <shadeslayer> andresmh: 8-0
[16:58] <shadeslayer> andresmh: try all the nos. every keyboard has different nos.
[16:59] <MisterN> does karmic improve the bluetooth audio situation?
[17:03] <andresmh> shadeslayer, ok, i tried this perl script: foreach(0..32){ $cmd = "set led $_; sleep 2; xset -led $_"; print "$cmd\n"; system($cmd); print "\n"; }
[17:03] <andresmh> it ran but i didn't see anything flash
[17:05] <shadeslayer> andresmh: no idea then....
[17:05] <shadeslayer> andresmh: btw its xset led
[17:05] <shadeslayer> not set led.....
[17:06] <andresmh> doh
[17:06] <andresmh> let me try again
[17:07] <andresmh> nope didn't work shadeslayer
[17:07] <edgy> shadeslayer, andresmh:  I tried for in in `seq 0 32`; do xset led $i; done also didn't see any changes
[17:08] <edgy> s/in/i
[17:08]  * shadeslayer wonders if there should be sudo before xset
[17:08] <shadeslayer> dont think so..
[17:08] <andresmh> running as sudo now
[17:09] <andresmh> nah
[17:09] <andresmh> not doing anything
[17:09] <shadeslayer> bah... no idea then
[17:10] <edgy> shadeslayer: for me it's giving me a message to enable activation keys, don't know what's that!
[17:10] <shadeslayer> edgy: never heard of that before
[17:11] <edgy> shadeslayer: it's KDE accessibility tool to activate "Mouse keys" and Deactivate all AccessX features and gestures! how is this related to leds!!
[17:13] <andresmh> where would i report this bug though? edgy, shadeslayer
[17:13] <eagles0513875> andresmh: www.launchpad.net
[17:13] <edgy> andresmh: btw it's 1..32 not 0
[17:14] <andresmh> i know it's launchapd  eagles0513875, i just don't know which package
[17:14] <eagles0513875> ahhhh
[17:14] <andresmh> ubuntu-bug _____ ?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> howdy
[17:14] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[17:14] <eagles0513875> im not much heal andresmh
[17:15] <BluesKaj> hi eagles0513875
[17:15] <shadeslayer> andresmh: well you have ubuntu-bug <package_name> and you have launchpad.net
[17:15] <edgy> andresmh: actually xset -led 14 would generate that dialog box here
[17:16] <eagles0513875> shadeslayer: wouldnt launchpad be the best place to go to report it
[17:16] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: um,ubuntu-bug gathers more info
[17:17] <shadeslayer> that way the bug gets tagged and confirmed faster
[17:17] <eagles0513875> shadeslayer: if he has the proper dbg package installed he coudl run it through gdb
[17:17] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: and the probability of that happening is?
[17:18] <eagles0513875> dunnoo im j/w
[17:18] <edgy> andresmh: give me the bug id so I can subscribe or comment
[17:18] <eagles0513875> shadeslayer: ill shut up and let ya do what ya need to do
[17:19] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: oh no no,suggestions are always welcome :)
[17:19] <eagles0513875> ubuntu-bug is like you have the dbg package and ur running it through the gdb
[17:19] <eagles0513875> *youre
[17:21] <cwillu> eagles0513875, ubuntu-bug is just a frontend to launchpad
[17:21] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[17:21] <eagles0513875> just learned something new
[17:21] <eagles0513875> didnt know
[17:21] <cwillu> it grabs a bunch of information according to the package you've selected, and attaches it to a new bug report
[17:21] <eagles0513875> thats what i get for being a kde user
[17:21] <eagles0513875> does this also exist for kde
[17:21] <cwillu> kde uses it too
[17:21] <cwillu> it's command line
[17:22] <eagles0513875> kool
[17:23] <eagles0513875> gonna give alpha5 another shot on my mac try with boot camp
[17:25] <malnilion> I hated boot camp.  Living in the same room as 80 other guys...
[17:26] <eagles0513875> malnilion: wrong bootcamp
[17:26] <malnilion> I know, lol, I just think Apple has funny names for things.  Like "airport"...
[17:27] <eagles0513875> hahah true that to be honest but that is offtopic for here
[17:28] <malnilion> Right, I apologize, good luck with your install :)
[17:30] <eagles0513875> strangeness
[17:30] <eagles0513875> now x is working to an extent
[17:30] <eagles0513875> but i get half my screen in red
[17:30] <eagles0513875> starting in safe graphics mode
[17:31] <eagles0513875> this is starting to look promising actually
[17:32]  * penguin42 isn't sure a screen half red is that safe
[17:32] <eagles0513875> heheh
[17:32] <eagles0513875> ya karmic is still dropping me down to tty1
[17:33] <eagles0513875> gonna install jaunty
[17:33] <eagles0513875> since i know it works
[17:34] <malnilion> Is it a graphics driver issue?
[17:35] <penguin42> eagles0513875: What graphics card have you got?
[17:35] <eagles0513875> nvidia
[17:36] <eagles0513875> penguin42: with the alternate cd it gets up to grub installation then i have issues installing grub2
[17:36] <eagles0513875> jaunty grub1 works no problems what so ever
[17:36] <penguin42> eagles0513875: What type of machine?
[17:36] <malnilion> eagles0513875, did you have proprietary drivers installed?
[17:36] <eagles0513875> malnilion: i cant install anything this is a clean install on a clean install of the new snow leopard
[17:36] <eagles0513875> but prior to snow leopard still had issues
[17:37] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Ah this is on a Mac?
[17:37] <eagles0513875> ya
[17:37] <eagles0513875> jaunty works just fine
[17:37] <eagles0513875> grub is the issue
[17:37] <eagles0513875> on karmic
[17:37] <eagles0513875> which is starting to worry me if this is gonna be an issue for people who duel boot
[17:38] <penguin42> ah ok; because on a PC you'd expect it to fall back to VESA if it has graphics problems - but I don't think you can do that on a Mac with only efi - or it wouldn't surprise me if you can't
[17:38] <eagles0513875> ok now this isnt good O_O
[17:38] <malnilion> Oh, you should be able to drop back to grub 1 shouldn't you?
[17:38] <eagles0513875> dunno grub2 is default on karmic
[17:38] <penguin42> eagles0513875: I'd make sure grub-efi is installed
[17:39] <eagles0513875> O_O
[17:39] <eagles0513875> after installation or prior to installing
[17:39] <penguin42> eagles0513875: After installing with the alternate cd
[17:40] <eagles0513875> well i cant get grub installed at all though
[17:41] <eagles0513875> regardless if i specifiy to put the boot loader on the partition its on or even on the osx partition
[17:41] <socratees> I upgraded to alpha5 karmic yesterday, and since then i'm not able to access my local windows file system. I get an error which says "org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount-system-internal auth_admin". any directions?
[17:41] <eagles0513875> socratees: i think that is an issue atm with the alpha someone else had this issue earlier this week
[17:42] <penguin42> eagles0513875: I'd wonder if grub-efi will do something better
[17:42] <eagles0513875> thing is i have no choice
[17:42] <eagles0513875> there has to be a way though that the live cd can determine what hardware its running on
[17:42] <eagles0513875> and if need be install grub-efi instead of the normal grub
[17:43] <penguin42> you would think so
[17:43] <socratees> eagles0513875: thanks
[17:43] <eagles0513875> no prob socratees
[17:43] <eagles0513875> penguin42: you would think but it doesnt
[17:44] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Well first question is doees installing grub-efi fix it? If it does then it's a simple install time test I would have thought?
[17:44] <eagles0513875> i dunno
[17:44] <eagles0513875> i dunno right now im tempted to upgrade form jaunty to karmic once i get jaunty installed and try it out
[17:45] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Yeh, that will actually keep grub1 probably
[17:45] <eagles0513875> well i have installed grub 2 before after upgrading
[17:45] <eagles0513875> at least though this way i can install grub2-efi
[17:45] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875:  if you do a clean install of karmic rather than upgrading after jaunty ,grub2 will auto install , it could solve your problem
[17:46] <eagles0513875> grub 2 wont install on doing a clean isntall that is my problem
[17:46] <BluesKaj> oh
[17:47] <eagles0513875> ahhh ha
[17:47] <eagles0513875> i might have stumbled upon something
[17:47] <eagles0513875> which i have found the solution
[17:47] <eagles0513875> which i didnt know of before
[17:47] <eagles0513875> there is an efi partition
[17:47] <eagles0513875> i need to install grub to that
[17:47] <eagles0513875> duh
[17:47] <BluesKaj> grub 2 is defaultr with karmic , i think the legacy grub will install with jaunty
[17:48] <duffydack> sound in karmic is pure craziness
[17:48] <eagles0513875> heheh duffydack
[17:48] <penguin42> duffydack: It's less broken for me than on Jaunty
[17:48] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: ya grub1 is default on jaunty 2 on karmic
[17:48] <duffydack> I have to use gnome-alsamixer to get it sounding somewhat near to what I enjoy on jaunty
[17:50] <duffydack> the standard volume control doesnt control my master mono channel (subwoofer) very well, and controlling the volume adjusts the master mono and pcm randomly..  very bad if this is a preview of what karmic is.
[17:51] <duffydack> and the audible volume is just too loud... mainly because I have to set the outputs to "amplifier"  as the output profiles without the "amplifier" dont work.  I dont need the amplifier on.
[17:52] <duffydack> and the audible volume is just too loud... mainly because I have to set the outputs to "amplifier"
[17:53] <duffydack> shame as I like it for most of the other stuff.
[17:59] <eagles0513875> im such an idiot penguin42
[17:59] <eagles0513875> boot camp seems to be really smart and creats an efi partition
[17:59] <eagles0513875> so i just need to throw grub on there
[18:01] <malnilion> eagles0513875, I've had issues where I was trying to be too smart for a mac, too
[18:01] <eagles0513875> hehe
[18:02] <eagles0513875> well know i know which partition i need to install grub on
[18:02] <eagles0513875> its sda1
[18:02] <eagles0513875> which is the 200mb efi partition
[18:02] <malnilion> Damn, that's huge...
[18:03] <BluesKaj> I'm still trying to edit fstab so that the ntfs partition will auto mount in user mode, rather than root.
[18:04] <malnilion> BluesKaj, true, I'm getting annoyed at that too.
[18:19] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: you there?
[18:19] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: yeah
[18:19] <tgpraveen1> wassup?
[18:20] <Michalxo> one notification question.. is it supposed to show only 1 or 2 max at the same time?
[18:20] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: Bug #428509 , could you confirm it ;)
[18:20] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: sure
[18:20] <tgpraveen1> anybody can confirma bug right?
[18:20] <mac_v> yup
[18:20] <Michalxo> haha, that notify-osd is the most "bugged" sw :)
[18:21] <Michalxo> mac_v, fullscreen = ?
[18:21] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: if possible add some flame too! crappy decision!
[18:21] <mac_v> Michalxo: even while watching videos!
[18:21] <Michalxo> yeah
[18:22] <Michalxo> mac_v, do you WANT notifications while watching movie?
[18:22] <mac_v> i want to be notified
[18:22] <Michalxo> it's very distrubing imo..
[18:22] <tgpraveen1> Michalxo: there is supposed to be a DND mode
[18:22] <Michalxo> I would burn them if they make it by default :)
[18:22] <tgpraveen1> for if you want to disable it
[18:22] <Michalxo> I agree with DND :)
[18:22] <Michalxo> default is fine by me...
[18:22] <mac_v> Michalxo: if i get an IM , i dont want to escape from the video to know who has sent IM!
[18:22] <Michalxo> and I believe no one wants to be distrubed while watching movie.. :)
[18:23] <Michalxo> mac_v, so we are on the same boat :)
[18:23] <Michalxo> so it DOES while fullscreen or not?
[18:23] <mac_v> if the notification shows who has sent it , i wouldnt care ;p
[18:23] <Michalxo> "Do not suppress sync = ? :)
[18:23] <Leftmost> Why are there still no translations for firefox-3.5 in the language packs?
[18:24] <mac_v> yeah the notifications are classified as sync and async
[18:24] <mac_v> Michalxo: ^
[18:24] <Michalxo> mac_v, but if you did not know about IM, you wouldn't bother at all :)
[18:24] <Michalxo> I agree with notifications now.. no distrubing while fullscreen :P   make it optionable :)
[18:24] <mac_v> Michalxo: i *want* to be bothered about any one i want to reply immediately
[18:25] <mac_v> Michalxo: how would you differentiate?
[18:25] <Michalxo> heh, then go ahead, but I wouldn't want be :)
[18:25] <Michalxo> well.. movies, games etc, fullscreeen = no distrubance for me..  :-/
[18:26] <mac_v> Michalxo: its every users choice , hence the need for a DND
[18:26] <cwillu> you turn off your cellphone while playing fullscreen video games?
[18:26] <Michalxo> mac_v, agree ;)
[18:26] <Michalxo> cwillu, that's something different :)
[18:26] <cwillu> no, it's exactly the same
[18:26] <mac_v> Michalxo: all are similar ;p
[18:26] <Michalxo> if it's important, then call/diall is ok as a sign, respond now! :)
[18:27] <Michalxo> :)
[18:27] <mac_v> Michalxo: then whats the use of you being online ;p
[18:27] <Michalxo> well.. in movie.... cinema = no cell phone at all :P
[18:27] <Michalxo> online = available
[18:27] <cwillu> Michalxo, many people simply put their phones on vibrate
[18:27] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: done
[18:27] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: thanks :)
[18:27] <cwillu> and leave the theatre if necessary
[18:27] <Michalxo> away/dnd by messengers by default when mouse/keyb inactivity for X mins
[18:27] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: also made comment. please also on the mailing list
[18:28] <Michalxo> cwillu, no way! :D
[18:28] <tgpraveen1> send a mail on that topic with regard to this bug #
[18:28] <mac_v> Michalxo: we are not in the movies , and also the phone are switched to not disturb *others*
[18:29] <Michalxo> well.. default should be off, but I agree, optional DND is great :)
[18:29] <tgpraveen1> Michalxo: this issue has been discussed in detail
[18:29] <mac_v> Michalxo: default should not be off! , even your wireless connection is lost you wouldnt know
[18:29] <tgpraveen1> on the mailing list and many rationale for it was offered
[18:29] <tgpraveen1> read it to understand
[18:30] <darkham> how chan i whatch daily changes in karmic daily cd?
[18:30] <darkham> can
[18:31] <Michalxo> tgpraveen1, can you post me some link to it please? :)
[18:31] <mac_v> Michalxo: it was a discussion which spanned 2 months , so 1 link wont do ;p
[18:32] <Michalxo> that long ago?  hm... hopefully that middle position was "removed" :)
[18:33] <Michalxo> as far as everything will be adjustable, then they did a very good job, until then.. all hardcoded is not good :)
[18:35] <Michalxo> btw is karmic supposed to have that new gdm screens now or am I the only one using that "old/testing" gdm logins?
[18:36] <Michalxo> mac_v, imagine this situation: got maany people in contact list, and you have turned on notification of users going online/offline.. while watching movie, you'll see everyone going up'n'down.. you'll get crazy till movie ends! :)
[18:39] <darkham> no changes document for daily karmic cd
[18:39] <darkham> ?
[18:39] <mac_v> Michalxo: thats because you have the notifications set to show when a friend comes online ... which is your pref... thats fine , but for me its a disturbance .... like now i was watching a movie and i got your ping but i had to leave it to know you sent it... if i had seen the notification i could have ignored it ;p
[18:39] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: the notifications on middle of screen are still there?
[18:39] <tgpraveen1> by default?
[18:39] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: thats changed to top
[18:40] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: so reverted to jaunty like situatuion
[18:40] <tgpraveen1> ?
[18:40] <Michalxo> mac_v, wasn't planned that you'll see the message too? like that spreading bubble in presentation video?
[18:40] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: its now i two rows , async> 1 row and sync >2nd row
[18:41] <mac_v> in*
[18:41] <mac_v> Michalxo: thats is why , we need DND :)
[18:42] <tgpraveen1> hmm mac_v even that for async there should have been atleast 2 rows
[18:42] <tgpraveen1> like if 2 people I am chatting with
[18:42] <Michalxo> tgpraveen1, mac_v agree with both :)
[18:42] <tgpraveen1> or chatting with one and battery status gives notification
[18:42] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: i think the sync goes from 2nd row and down
[18:43] <Michalxo> 1 row for asyns is not enough.. while logging into xchat-freenode server I get like 10 messages, all in 1 :)
[18:43] <mac_v> Michalxo: thats sync
[18:43] <Michalxo> all in 1 bubble
[18:43] <tgpraveen1> and if currently no sync notification then 2 rows for async is practical
[18:43] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: sync is for volume or brightness right
[18:43] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: the other way around
[18:43] <tgpraveen1> no.
[18:44] <tgpraveen1> its called sync as when you increase/dec volume
[18:44] <tgpraveen1> then the notification
[18:44] <tgpraveen1> the volume inc/dec in sync with you are keyboard opressing
[18:45] <mac_v> oh i got it confused!
[18:46] <mac_v> hehe... corrected the bug report ;p
[18:49] <Michalxo> guys, where can I find some info about gnome 3?
[18:49] <mac_v> Michalxo: its in the repos
[18:49] <mac_v> oh info!
[18:55] <darthanubis> google
[18:55] <Michalxo> got google.. found something.. :)
[18:55] <darthanubis> where else?
[18:55] <Michalxo> anyway.. new gdm... am I supposed to see that nice flashy gdm or no?
[18:55] <Michalxo> I am updated but I still see the old one..(old for karmic)
[18:59] <MindVirus> My pulseaudio CPU usage runs up to 100% and turns into a zombie after about 10 minutes of music listening.
[18:59] <MindVirus> It isn't gradual.
[18:59] <MindVirus> Any suggestions?
[19:00] <penguin42> MindVirus: look in /var/log/user.log to see if there are any errors
[19:00] <MindVirus> penguin42: got some.
[19:01] <MindVirus> Whoops, there it is again.
[19:01] <penguin42> MindVirus: I can't suggest any fixes I'm afraid - I've had that happen lots, but on Karmic it's been better for me
[19:01] <MisterN> will this thing actually go into karmic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/BluetoothStack
[19:01] <MisterN> ?
[19:02] <MindVirus> "Sep 12 14:01:11 mindvirus-laptop pulseaudio[21561]: pid.c: Daemon already running."
[19:02] <MindVirus> This gets flooded.
[19:02] <penguin42> oh that's a bit odd - never seen that before
[19:03] <MindVirus> penguin42: every single line, the number between the brackets increases.
[19:03] <penguin42> MindVirus: Yeh the number is just the process id
[19:03] <MindVirus> I know.
[19:03] <MindVirus> (Surprisingly.)
[19:05] <eagles0513875> yay i got karmic installed penguin42
[19:05] <eagles0513875> needed to put grub 2 in the eif partition
[19:05] <penguin42> yeh makes sense
[19:06] <MindVirus> penguin42: still no suggestions?
[19:06] <tgpraveen1> in karmic what is the keyboard shortcut for shutdown /restart?
[19:07] <tgpraveen1> anyways I read about karmic having in nautilius the ability to format and label drives
[19:07] <penguin42> MindVirus: I'm no pa expert - but I suggest you look for the ;autospawn = yes line in /etc/pulse/client.conf  remove the ; and change it to no; kill off all pulse and then restart it - and see if it behaves - that should force it not to create more
[19:07] <tgpraveen1> which software is being used for this?
[19:07] <tgpraveen1> is it plaimpest
[19:07] <eagles0513875> penguin42: new to macs so i didnt know what that was for
[19:07] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Still, the install should sort it out for you
[19:08] <penguin42> time for food
[19:09] <eagles0513875> now it doesnt boot at all for me penguin42
[19:09] <Michalxo> heh,, that's funny, I have online/offline notifications, but I don't see any notification when I get a message ;)
[19:09] <eagles0513875> this is super strange
[19:10] <MindVirus> penguin42: I'll tell you if it works.
[19:27] <S33K3R> i'm back running karmic...doesn't look bad afterall.
[19:28] <NoelJB> S33K3R, Karmic is starting to look downright stable.
[19:28] <S33K3R> NoelJB: i think i'll agree...
[19:30] <NoelJB> tgpraveen1, you are probably referring to devicekit-disks
[19:30] <S33K3R> is there a way i can defragment a disk in karmic?
[19:30] <eagles0513875> im an idiot
[19:30] <NoelJB> S33K3R, depends on which file system.
[19:30] <eagles0513875> forgot to sett bootable flag
[19:30] <NoelJB> for example, I use ext3 and xfs.  for XFS, we have tools for defrag.
[19:32] <NoelJB> for ext3 there are also tools.
[19:32] <S33K3R> NoelJB: not the disk holding my OS...my second HDD (this houses all my music, videos and other stuff). Its NTFS
[19:33] <NoelJB> S33K3R, LOL http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsdefrag
[19:43] <NoelJB> S33K3R, any reason why you are using NTFS?  Are you sharing with something else?
[19:44] <eagles0513875> i know 2 ways it can be mounted
[19:46] <eagles0513875> penguin42: ping
[19:46] <penguin42> ack ack!
[19:55] <penguin42> eagles0513875: pong?
[19:56] <eagles0513875> this is strange penguin42 :(
[19:56] <eagles0513875> snow leopard isnt picking up my partition at all for some reason
[19:56] <penguin42> the Mac one or the linux one?
[19:57] <eagles0513875> mac boot camp isnt picking it up
[19:57] <eagles0513875> picking up the karmic one
[19:57] <eagles0513875> and now its not even picking up my cd
[19:57] <penguin42> hmm I don't know that much mac foo; and I really don't know what boot camp does to the world
[19:58] <eagles0513875> booting on the regular karmic cd i have not the alternate
[19:59] <DanaG> hmm, do you need gptsync?
[19:59] <eagles0513875> DanaG: ??
[19:59] <DanaG> !info gptsync
[20:00] <eagles0513875> does anyone know a way how i can install karmic via tty screen
[20:01] <Nattgew> eagles0513875 you mean upgrade?
[20:01] <eagles0513875> DanaG: then can u explaine to me how jaunty works just fine no problems
[20:01] <eagles0513875> no Nattgew i have no gui based install on the normal cd
[20:02] <eagles0513875> i know how to upgrade
[20:02] <Nattgew> so you want to install a gui?
[20:02] <eagles0513875> thing is a clean install doesnt work and for some reason karmic with grub2 doesnt wanna keep a bootable flag on my partition
[20:02] <eagles0513875> Nattgew: no
[20:02] <eagles0513875> install from a tty prompt since its booting onto the tty from the live cd
[20:02] <Nattgew> oh, right, sorry
[20:03] <penguin42> eagles0513875: If you don't have gui I'd expect to need the alternate CD - but I'd file a bug stating that you don't get a gui on that setup
[20:03] <eagles0513875> ya im also tempted to download a newer live cd
[20:03] <eagles0513875> newer image
[20:06] <duffydack> is there a way to get the old mixer program back in karmic?  the one there is completely useless
[20:06] <duffydack> i mean, the one from jaunty
[20:06] <eagles0513875> kmix
[20:06] <duffydack> "ubuntu".
[20:07] <eagles0513875> ahhh im not sure
[20:07] <eagles0513875> penguin42: installing jaunty and gonna try upgrade and install grub 2 that way
[20:09] <penguin42> eagles0513875: it's an interesting question what Karmic expects to use on a Mac; older stuff used rEFIt I think, grub2-efi should work in principal, but if you have boot camp I thought it could cope with normal pc boot loaders
[20:09] <eagles0513875> well it does
[20:09] <eagles0513875> with the normal grub
[20:09] <eagles0513875> the problem is karmic by default comes with grub2
[20:10] <eagles0513875> the question is who to ask about this cuz no dev's are in here
[20:10] <DanaG> duffydack: try gamix
[20:10] <eagles0513875> im really worried about karmic having grub 2 as default
[20:10] <penguin42> eagles0513875: I think there is a #grub somewhere you could try
[20:11] <DanaG> I've used grub-efi on my own (non-Apple UEFI) system, and it seems to work, except for the fact that the 2.6.31 kernel refuses to acknowledge my initramfs image when UEFI-booted.
[20:12] <eagles0513875> DanaG:  my issue is it wont keep the bootable flag
[20:12] <DanaG> Why does it need to be marked bootable?
[20:12] <eagles0513875> not the efi partition
[20:13] <eagles0513875> the 14gb partition i have for kubuntu that is ext4
[20:13] <DanaG> It shouldn't need to be bootable.
[20:13] <eagles0513875> O_O i dont need to set it to be bootable O_o
[20:13] <DanaG> At least, Linux doesn't need it like Windows does.
[20:13] <eagles0513875> O_o ok
[20:13] <eagles0513875> it just needs the mount point right
[20:14] <penguin42> shouldn't even need that; by the wonders of UUIDs it should find it
[20:14] <eagles0513875> ya
[20:14] <eagles0513875> but for some reason it doesnt find karmic
[20:14] <eagles0513875> here i go with jaunty
[20:15] <DanaG> "it doesn't find" -- what doesn't find karmic?
[20:17] <eagles0513875> when i boot DanaG and i hold down options to boot into the partition all that is see is the mac osx partition
[20:17] <eagles0513875> its like my linux one is not even there
[20:17] <DanaG> ah, perhaps you need the rEFIT booadloader thingy.
[20:17] <eagles0513875> i put grub2 in the efi partition
[20:18] <DanaG> !refit
[20:18] <DanaG> !info refit
[20:18] <eagles0513875> DanaG: what im installing is the 64bit version of jaunty atm and trying 64bit karmic
[20:18] <DanaG> the Apple bootloader by default, only lets you choose "blessed" things.
[20:18] <eagles0513875> on 64bit snow leopard
[20:19] <S33K3R> eagles0513875: try bootx bootloader...it should see karmic
[20:19] <eagles0513875> !info bootx
[20:19] <eagles0513875> S33K3R: doesnt exist
[20:19] <eagles0513875> !bootx
[20:20] <DanaG> !mac
[20:20] <DanaG> !apple
[20:20] <DanaG> er.
[20:20] <eagles0513875> dana mine isnt a ppc its an intel mac
[20:20] <DanaG> http://refit.sourceforge.net/
[20:20] <DanaG> yeah, I was poking around for factoids.
[20:21] <S33K3R> eagles0513875: i thought you said its your snow leopard that doesn't see your karmic
[20:21] <eagles0513875> it is my snow leopard
[20:21] <eagles0513875> but the funny thing is jaunty seems to be working
[20:21] <eagles0513875> so i dont think its osx
[20:21] <eagles0513875> even prior to me installing snow leopard it was able to install and see jaunty just fine
[20:22] <S33K3R> but u said earlier that all you see is os x when you hold down options
[20:22] <DanaG> That's Apple's loader.
[20:22] <DanaG> Try installing rEFIt.
[20:22] <eagles0513875> well ill see what happens with jaunty
[20:29] <duffydack> I could set the master mono seperately with gamix, and the playback volume to acceptable level, but using the media buttons on the laptop or the volume app in the tray even slightly totally blows my head off.  its not good for my speakers to be amplified like that, but theres no sound otherwise.  sound is a basic requirement to me, and anything less than what I have now is useless..  maybe i`ll be buyin a new laptop in a month or 2 an
[20:29] <duffydack> yway.. till then its jaunty...
[20:30] <DanaG> "no sound otherwise" ... hmm, what does alsamixer do (in console) if you watch it while using the media keys?
[20:34] <duffydack> well its hard to explain it all now as i`m in jaunty now... Im listenin to music..  using the media keys/volume control sends the volumes up and down as I expect but at a certain point, the master channel stops going up and the pcm channel starts moving.  also a slight movement of the volume control / media keys sometimes drops them all to 0
[20:34] <duffydack> afaic, sound is broken.. I cant use it like it is.
[20:37] <duffydack> there are a few outputs to choose from, output LFE, output headphones, output mono and just plai output, and all have an equivalent / amplifier version.  only the amplifier ones produce sound, but poorly.
[20:38] <duffydack> choosing LFE ( i think)  uses  master mono (subwoofer) as the main control..  another controls 2 channels at the same time, but not with equal amounts.. its a mess
[20:40] <duffydack> I wish it was using the same method as jaunty, I know where I am with that, I can select a default mixer (pcm) for volume control and I can set sub to a decent level and not have it movie.
[20:40] <duffydack> move*
[20:44] <eagles0513875> the problem DanaG seems to be with grub 2
[20:44] <eagles0513875> grub1 boots just fine
[20:44] <AirBender> Hello guys
[20:44] <AirBender> is there a known issue regarding wuby install with grub2?
[20:45] <AirBender> a friend has already done this kind of install and grub complains about an indefined kernel
[20:45] <AirBender> comething like "you must load the kernel first"
[20:46] <AirBender> I'm looking at my virtual version of karmic, and can't find something like menu.lst
[20:46] <AirBender> whats the equivalent in grub2?
[20:46] <elops> I am trying to build transcode trunk, ./configure ... --with-libmpeg2-prefix=./libmpeg2   (where it is) gives me configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-libmpeg2-prefix
[20:46] <elops> --with-libmpeg2-prefix is in INSTALL.txt, but not ./configure --help
[20:46] <elops> but I don't see anything in --help about specifying where it is
[20:47] <eagles0513875> grub 2 isnt ready for prime time i dont think yet
[20:47] <AirBender> elops: I think you misspelled the options
[20:47] <AirBender> prefix is a separate option
[20:48] <elops> are you sure?
[20:48] <AirBender> yes
[20:48] <AirBender> I think this should be something like: //with-libmpeg2 --prefix=./libmpeg2
[20:48] <AirBender> sorry replace the first two // with --
[20:49] <AirBender> eagles0513875: but karmic is using grub2 isn't it?
[20:50] <eagles0513875> ya it is
[20:50] <elops> I don't think it matters AirBender
[20:50] <eagles0513875> its new default
[20:50] <eagles0513875> ext4 and grub2 are the new defaults in karmic
[20:50] <eagles0513875> need to run some tests on jaunty knowing that it works
[20:50] <AirBender> ok
[20:50] <elops> I don't think it matters AirBender
[20:50] <AirBender> and do you know where does it store the menu.lst equivalent?
[20:51] <eagles0513875> !grub2
[20:51] <eagles0513875> AirBender: check the wiki
[20:51] <AirBender> ok, thanks
[20:52] <elops> AirBender ?
[20:53] <elops> eagles0513875
[20:53] <elops> what am I doing wrong?
[20:53] <AirBender> elops: I still think there are two options merged in your call to configure
[20:54] <elops> is the space the problem between libmpeg2  and    --prefix   ?
[20:54] <AirBender> I think --with-libmpg2 is a dependency alternative, and prefix tells the toolchain where to store the built system
[20:54] <AirBender> I think so...
[20:59] <elops> isn't prefix used to specify where to install files, rather than where to look for existing files?
[20:59] <AirBender> that's right
[21:00] <AirBender> usually /usr/local
[21:03] <roscoe> has anyone using Rythmbox find that it will play toonz, but will not play radio stations???
[21:14] <paddy2k> hi where can I submit a bug report for Karmic?
[21:14] <penguin42> paddy2k: launchpad.net
[21:15] <penguin42> paddy2k: or use the ubuntu-bug script
[21:15] <paddy2k> penguin42: i would use the bug script, if it would boot, thats my issue.
[21:16] <penguin42> paddy2k: Ah OK, definitely launchpad.net then
[21:16] <paddy2k> penguin42: but thanks, i;ll look at launchpad,
[21:18] <penguin42> paddy2k: Make sure you include as much info as possible about the machine your trying to install on and the way it failed
[21:20] <paddy2k> penguin42: thats one thing you might be able to help me with. Karmic fails while booting and there's a load of errors that scrol up the screen and I can't read that fast, is there someway to pipe to a text file?
[21:20] <penguin42> paddy2k: It depends how early - what's the last thing you see?
[21:23] <paddy2k> penguin42: it fails about 75% of the way through the loading graphic. Then it throws an error and then a cascade of errors then the last thing is somthing about HAL
[21:23] <penguin42> paddy2k: Have you got a digital camera?
[21:23] <paddy2k> penguin42: it boots no problem when using the acpi=off
[21:24] <paddy2k> penguin42: yup, got a camera, are you suggesting a video or photos?
[21:24] <penguin42> paddy2k: OK, I'd add a bug to launchpad saying it fails to boot - put something like [Karmic] Machine type fails to boot as title
[21:24] <penguin42> paddy2k: Just a photo of the last screen of text if there's too much to be useful - but if you can get it to boot with acpi=off then I'd add dmesg and output of lspci -v -v -v   from a boot with acpi=off
[21:26] <paddy2k> penguin42: cool, thanks I'll submit all the details I can
[21:26] <penguin42> paddy2k: I'd put near the start that it boots with acpi=off - it's a good lead for someone I guess
[21:43] <hosoka> hello all
[21:43] <penguin42> hi
[21:44] <hosoka> I have just upgraded 9.10 and my sound breaks off
[21:44] <hosoka> how are you penguin2
[21:44] <penguin42> good
[21:44] <hosoka> penguin42 it is.
[21:44] <penguin42> hosoka: Lots of people seem to have this problem on here
[21:44] <hosoka> I have got the room info from the general Ubuntu room.
[21:44] <hosoka> aha ok.
[21:44] <hosoka> so a new patch will be provided soon.
[21:45] <hosoka> desktop looks like the netbook remix one.
[21:45] <penguin42> I seem to be OK for some reason; make sure you find a suitable bug and subscribe to it giving the details of your hardware
[21:45] <hosoka> how to remove one of the tabs on the leftside ?
[21:47] <peepsalot> what is this weird icon that shows in my tray when my computer is idle.  it looks like an icon of a window, with arrows going in all four directions.  the icon goes away when i start to move my mouse.  my screensaver never turns on anymore.
[21:52]  * penguin42 hasn't seen that
[22:09] <xmnt> will empathy have more options at ubuntu final release ... seems a little bare at the moment
[22:10] <duffydack> it is quite lacking to me too.
[22:10] <duffydack> its funny how the installer for karmic advertises pidgin as the IM :)
[22:10] <duffydack> I dont need voice/video so I`m happy with pidgin
[22:10] <guntbert> xmnt: "a little bare" is stretching the word "little"....
[22:11] <xmnt> guntbert, yeah maybe a little
[22:11] <XiXaQ> I just created a bootable usb from the ubuntu karmic alpha5 image. I booted, and everything seemed fine, except that I can't connect to the internet using my nokia n95 8gb via usb anymore. That works perfectly in jaunty. Is this known, or can someone confirm?
[22:12] <guntbert> but as someone argued here: I didn't stay with pidgin, so I need not stay with empathy :-)
[22:13] <penguin42> XiXaQ: I have seen other people say they were having problems with mobile broadband
[22:14] <xmnt> guntbert, seems like they're trading to evils there
[22:15]  * guntbert has no idea what xmnt is referring to
[22:15] <XiXaQ> penguin42, never with jaunty though. This is new. Should NetworkManager ask me to create a new 3g connection if it doesn't detect my phone? I'm not entirely sure about that.
[22:15] <penguin42> XiXaQ: I don't know - I don't use 3g stuff, I just remember seeing other people saying they were having problems on Karmic
[22:18] <xmnt> guntbert, same here ... that argument doesn't make much sense to me ...
[22:20] <blackest_knight> i use 3g modem on karmic early kernel versions didnt work with it but its been fine for a while
[22:21] <guntbert> xmnt: sorry, maybe a language problem on my side (english is only my 2nd language) - what does "trade to evils" mean?
[22:22] <blackest_knight> trade two evils
[22:22] <blackest_knight> swop one bad thing for another
[22:26] <guntbert> blackest_knight: ahh  "to" vs "two" - now I get it - thx
[22:27] <blackest_knight> guntbert:  i had to look at the context to be honest
[22:27] <ernstp> anyone with a modern Radeon card can log in to gnome on Karmic?
[22:28] <guntbert> blackest_knight: :-)
[22:29] <blackest_knight> speaking of evil does anyone know if there is a bug with pulseaudio hogging the cpu when it doesnt know what to do with a second sound card (part of a tv card)
[22:34] <penguin42> blackest_knight: There was someone before having a pa hogging CPU problem - I don't currently; he didn't mention if he had a 2nd sound card
[22:34] <LrdMtrod> I got no sound
[22:34] <LrdMtrod> Not in firefox, not in vlc nor in rythmbox
[22:34] <LrdMtrod> I tried to restart but that didn't help
[22:34] <raindog> Something has been writing huge amounts of data to my / partition.  It has now taken all of it.  In /proc there are folders name 1, 2, 3 ....4350.  Is that right?  I could use some help diagnosing the problem.
[22:35] <blackest_knight> timing :) eh penguin42
[22:35] <penguin42> raindog: Forget about the folders in proc - they aren't real
[22:35] <blackest_knight> LrdMtrod:  do you have a tv card or 2nd soundcard ?
[22:36] <raindog> penguin42: Just figured that out.  But thanks.
[22:36] <penguin42> raindog: Clean out /var/cache/apt/archives and then see how that goes
[22:36] <LrdMtrod> no
[22:36] <raindog> penguin42: Did that yesterday and something still ate back up all that space.  My user.0.log is 4.5GB alone.
[22:36] <LrdMtrod> it worked a few days ago
[22:37] <raindog> will do again though
[22:37] <LrdMtrod> There is nothing muted
[22:37] <penguin42> raindog: Ah - you have a pulseaudio problem then I guess
[22:37] <LrdMtrod> I think so
[22:37] <penguin42> raindog: Is it full of messages about the daemon restarting ?
[22:37] <LrdMtrod> how do I know?
[22:37] <raindog> penguin42: Yes.
[22:38] <penguin42> raindog: Sounds very similar to the pa problem someone had earlier
[22:38] <blackest_knight> pulseaudio seems to be the major issue of karmic
[22:38] <raindog> penguin42: I'll look into it further.  I forgot about the pulse issue.
[22:39] <penguin42> raindog: Most pa debug ends up in user.log
[22:39] <blackest_knight> removing pulseaudio makes sound work with alsa but as testers of the alpha we should do better i guess
[22:39] <penguin42> pa and audio is so random - for me it's doing better than jaunty ever did
[22:39] <duffydack> pa has been a bugbear since 8.04.
[22:40] <penguin42> before then
[22:41] <duffydack> whenever it was introduced then lol
[22:41] <raindog> What's the best way to deal with an out of control user.log?  Simply delete it?
[22:41] <blackest_knight> i think its something to do with pa not knowing what to do with some sound devices, i got it working and then put my tvcards back in and broke it again
[22:42] <guntbert> raindog: what is an "out of control user.log" ?
[22:42] <blackest_knight> one which pulseaudio writes to every second
[22:42] <raindog> guntbert: Pulseaudio constantly writing messages about can't start the daemon to it several times per second.
[22:42] <raindog> up to 5.6GB
[22:43] <blackest_knight> the userlog isn't the problem its pulse
[22:43] <crimsun> can i see a few representative lines from said log file?
[22:43] <crimsun> pastebin will do nicely
[22:43] <blackest_knight> raindog how is cpu usage
[22:43] <raindog> blackest_knight: cpu usage is fine, it's just taken all the space left on my / partition.
[22:43] <penguin42> crimsun: I can't remember the exact message the guy posted earlier but it was something like daemon already running
[22:44] <crimsun> hmm, i would need the precise error spew
[22:44] <LrdMtrod> I can hear some scraping sound, that is all
[22:44] <crimsun> is this a standard pulse config, i.e., no modifications to /etc/pulse/* (or ~/.pulse/*)?
[22:45] <penguin42> raindog: Can you post a single line from your user.log here (I assume they're all mostly the same)
[22:45] <raindog> Sep  6 13:21:16 blackbox pulseaudio[16048]: rtp.c: sendmsg() failed: Operation n
[22:45] <raindog> ot permitted
[22:46] <raindog> is deleting user.log an appropriate action in this instance?
[22:46] <crimsun> raindog: you should unload module-rtp*
[22:46] <raindog> I can't open anything that wants to write to /.  I lost a great nethack game to this PA issue.
[22:46] <MisterN> raindog: now THAT'S a serious problem :P
[22:46] <penguin42> crimsun: (07:02:04 PM) MindVirus: "Sep 12 14:01:11 mindvirus-laptop pulseaudio[21561]: pid.c: Daemon already running."  was the one from earlier
[22:47] <crimsun> most likely it's being loaded by paprefs or some modification made to stream music over the network
[22:47] <crimsun> penguin42: pretty innocuous, though, since it's rate-limited
[22:47] <crimsun> the rtp one isn't, however
[22:48] <penguin42> crimsun: Ah OK, that guy was complaining of 100% cpu from pulse and a stream of those messages in the user.log - so this sounds like a separate one
[22:48] <raindog> crimsun:   Stupid question, but what do you mean "unload"?  Do you mean end or kill the process?
[22:52]  * penguin42 looks at launchpad on newest bugs - does seem to have been a lot of pa segfaulting in last few days
[22:54] <______Twigathy> 22:42 < raindog> up to 5.6GB <-- ouuuch... I'd consider spamming logs so hard it fills a disk a bug :>
[22:55] <dtchen> thanks teredo disappearing, i have no idea what was said in the past five minutes
[22:55] <raindog> ______Twigathy: Yeah.  I am looking into it.
[22:56] <Twigathy> Personally I use pulse in a bit of a broken way. Killed off the init script and start it using an xfce login script. Customised config files for the high CPU use / better sounding sampler...
[22:57] <dtchen> Twigathy: the initscript isn't used by default
[22:58] <Twigathy> oh :o
[22:58] <Twigathy> didn't know that :)
[22:58] <dtchen> in fact, i added info to the initscript explicitly explaining that
[22:59] <Twigathy> I do have some odd issues with mpd sometimes starting pulse instead of the xfce script...
[22:59]  * Twigathy should really revert all his changes :)
[22:59] <dtchen> it's also in /etc/default/pulseaudio
[22:59] <Twigathy> ahh, yes. I see... :)
[23:00] <Twigathy> cool, that makes sense
[23:03] <jeromel> hi
[23:04] <jeromel> I had a problem with my ATI Card on 9.04. Then I would try on 9.10 alpha5 but I do not find the xorg.conf ?
[23:05] <jeromel> How can I do to use fglrx ?
[23:05] <jeromel> ( I am on live cd )
[23:05] <HowardTheDuck> hey
[23:05] <HowardTheDuck> tell me about krafty koala
[23:07] <maxb> There's no such thing.
[23:08] <MisterN> HowardTheDuck: karmic koala.
[23:10] <HowardTheDuck> are there any new features to be excited about
[23:10] <HowardTheDuck> i enjoy using jackelope
[23:12] <maxb> HowardTheDuck: this sort of question is not suited to irc. No one person is likely to be carrying around a "highlights of karmic" list in their head. I suggest you look on www.ubuntu.com
[23:13] <mneptok> HowardTheDuck: Karmic is in Alpha. this means you can expect things to break, and many bugs. caveat emptor.
[23:13] <MisterN> HowardTheDuck: i hope it will improve sound support.
[23:13] <maxb> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ to be specific
[23:13] <MisterN> but that's just my hope
[23:13] <MisterN> :)
[23:13] <HowardTheDuck> well im fine with waiting for the official release
[23:13] <HowardTheDuck> just wondering whats new
[23:15] <MisterN> HowardTheDuck: you can try it out in VirtualBox
[23:16] <maxb> HowardTheDuck: go to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[23:17] <jeromel> maxb, did you test ATI on alpha 5 ?
[23:18] <jeromel> or someone else?
[23:19] <maxb> Not specifically, but my Mobility FireGL V5200 based laptop has been quite happy running karmic
[23:19] <jeromel> can i test fglrx on livecd?
[23:20] <maxb> dunno, last livecd I touched was hardy, and my hardware isn't even supported by modern fglrx because ATI are lazy
[23:20] <jeromel> ok
[23:20] <jeromel> i succeed to install fglrx but
[23:20] <jeromel> I can not find xorg.conf to change the driver
[23:21] <jeromel> is this because I use livecd or karmic ?
[23:21] <maxb> I would have expected it to be in the usual place
[23:22] <jeromel> I just have Xwrapper.config