[01:23] <Outlander> hi, im using gutsy, how do i set my window manager? xfce4 is loading for some reason, i have compiz so want that to be default
[01:23] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: can't help then, sry
[01:23] <^Ocean^> ratpoison, if i run emerald-theme-manager, there is only Untitled Theme for my options. ..
[01:23] <ratpoison> well, try alt+f2 emerald --replace
[01:23] <ratpoison> does it work?
[01:23] <^Ocean^> No chaneg
[01:24] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: by it not installing that .. does that mean i am doomed to do a fresh install from the iso
[01:24] <Outlander> what config file would store the preferred wm?
[01:24] <jburris> anyone know if there is a thread on getting visual effects working with ATI cards?
[01:24] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: don't know, can't help! I only said that because I know that you can't have both packages
[01:24] <ratpoison> and I thought maybe you had it
[01:25] <bastid_raZor> oh, okay. :)
[01:26] <^Ocean^> is there a package for the emerald themes ?
[01:26] <bastid_raZor> i'm not wanting to do a fresh install but if all else fails i don't have much of a choice
[01:26] <ximal> w00t
[01:26] <ximal> i'm back on top ! woot !
[01:27] <ximal> sup vuen !
[01:27] <ratpoison> bastid_raZor: try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:27] <ximal> hmm
[01:27] <ximal> what's wrong raZor ?
[01:27] <ratpoison> or sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[01:28] <Vuen> hey guys. compiz does this really irritating thing where it automatically gives focus to a window whenever i hover the mouse over it. how do i get rid of that?
[01:28] <ximal> special effects settings
[01:28] <ximal> try that vuen ;)
[01:28] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: similiar errors..
[01:29] <bastid_raZor> ratpoison: i probably should have tried aptitude before doing the apt-get way..
[01:29] <zerwas> Is it still possible to have a package bugfix update integrated into Gutsy until this point?
[01:29] <ximal> bastid_raZor : what's the issue ?
[01:29] <ratpoison>  man dpkg-reconfigure and work your way through there
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> ximal: E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> ximal: E: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:30] <ximal> do this
[01:30] <ximal>  sudo apt-get install update
[01:30] <ximal> try it..
[01:30] <ximal> see if it will force it to check some of the broken items your having trouble with
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> coudln't finde package update..
[01:31] <Vuen> yeah, that's not correct ximal
[01:31] <ximal> it said that ?
[01:31] <bastid_raZor> should i have install in there?
[01:31] <ratpoison> omit install I guess
[01:31] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: doesn't matter, apt-get update won't do a thing
[01:31] <ximal> hmm
[01:31] <ximal> it should ?
[01:31] <ratpoison> but it's the same as aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:31] <^Ocean^> okay, compiz starts just fine, but there are no window Deccorations,   ( Border around my windows, titlebar,  Min/Max/Close Buttons )
[01:31] <ratpoison> ximal: I've had broken dependency issues and nothing seemed to work
[01:32] <bastid_raZor> Vuen: i agree, i get errors when trying to do any aptitude or apt-get or synaptic.. now
[01:32] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: gnome or kde?
[01:32] <dn> anyone using numlockx with gutsy?
[01:32] <ximal> hmm
[01:32] <^Ocean^> Vuen, Gnome
[01:32] <ximal> what version you guys running ?
[01:32] <ximal> gutsy -14 ?
[01:32] <tanath> what's the best way to scan a page into a new text/word document? preferrably with formatting intact
[01:32] <ratpoison> ^Ocean^: try alt+f2 gtk-window-decorator --replace
[01:32] <ratpoison> if emerald --replace didn't work
[01:32] <ratpoison> otherwise
[01:32] <bastid_raZor> ximal: i did gksu apt-get update-manager -c -d ..
[01:32] <ratpoison>  !compiz > ^Ocean^
[01:32] <bastid_raZor> and now i'm where i'm at.. broken like a bm
[01:33] <bastid_raZor> bum.. rather
[01:33] <^Ocean^> hmm,  Ran that,  and it just hangs, ( Ran it in a terminal
[01:33] <tanath> i don't see a way to do it from openoffice
[01:33] <tanath> anyone know?
[01:33] <sayers> Uhm did this update just break a ton of things?
[01:33] <^Ocean^> Also, another note,  When I run a gnome-terminal, the window Opens, but its All white,  cant read any text or anything
[01:33] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: sounds like your xorg.conf is missing ARGBVisuals. pastebin it
[01:33] <ximal> try doing a fresh reinstalll m8 if u r having issues.. redownload and burn the image at 1x
[01:33] <ximal> might help bastid :
[01:34] <bastid_raZor> i have the cd iso of 7.10 .. was just trying to avoid a fresh install
[01:34] <ximal> well
[01:34] <ximal> they did a kernel update recently and some other package updates
[01:34] <bastid_raZor> heh, i worked hard on tweakings
[01:34] <ximal> i did a fresh install of the -12 kernel am64 bit and then immediately used updater to get everything working
[01:35] <ximal> me too.. but the more you work on them the easier they come to you
[01:35] <bastid_raZor> i agree.. thanks. i'll do the fresh install and wave bye bye to all my pretty settings
[01:35] <^Ocean^> Vuen, http://pastebin.com/m352d544
[01:35] <bastid_raZor> thanks for the kick while i was down.. my back now aches
[01:35] <ximal> hey
[01:36] <ximal> bastid
[01:36] <bastid_raZor> heh
[01:36] <bastid_raZor> yeah?
[01:36] <ximal> when you get back .. come in here and stuff... tomorrow morning i'll be on
[01:36] <ximal> i'll share my tweaks with you that savvas and other devs have helped me with
[01:36] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: yep. at the bottom of Section "Screen" add this:        Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:36] <ximal> get you all the codecs etc
[01:36] <ximal> ok ?
[01:36] <bastid_raZor> okay, it'll be around 7am EST
[01:36] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: then save all your work, ctrl+alt+backspace and try again
[01:37] <bastid_raZor> ximal awesome. thanks. i'll be sure to look for you then.
[01:37] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: you definitely shouldn't need to fresh install...
[01:37] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: if an upgrade is broken you could file a bug report.
[01:37] <^Ocean^>        Modes      "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:37] <^Ocean^>     EndSubSection
[01:37] <^Ocean^> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:37] <^Ocean^> EndSection
[01:37] <^Ocean^> like that ?
[01:37] <Vuen> yep
[01:37] <ximal> ok m8
[01:37] <timUR> hi
[01:37] <^Ocean^> okay gonna give it a shot
[01:37] <ximal> i can't help with much but i'll pass what i get done and can pass on ;)
[01:38] <timUR> How do i enable Nvidia Legacy acceleration ????
[01:38] <ximal> go to system
[01:38] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: also, you shouldn't need to re-tweak anything, just don't wipe your home partition
[01:38] <Vuen> bastid_raZor: you can keep all your settings if you keep home
[01:38] <ximal> system > administration/ resitricted drivers
[01:38] <ximal> for nvidia
[01:38] <bastid_raZor> Vuen: home won't be touched.. plus i have moved several scripts that i use ..
[01:39] <ximal> yeah m8..
[01:39] <ximal> you can always re-import
[01:39] <ximal> ;)
[01:39] <^Ocean^> Vuen, hmm, okay didnt seem too make any differance..
[01:39] <bastid_raZor> children need fatherly influences.. thanks will be around in the a.m.
 ^Ocean^: try alt+f2 gtk-window-decorator --replace
[01:40] <Vuen> do that again
[01:40] <^Ocean^> Vuen, I ran it in a terminal,  it runs ,  but nothing
[01:40] <ximal> u gonna freak him out m8
[01:40] <^Ocean^> uss@Aqualung:~$ gtk-window-decorator --replace
[01:40] <ximal> making him switch to text mode
[01:40] <ximal> lol
[01:40] <^Ocean^> and thats it, just hangs there i guess..
[01:40] <Vuen> ^Ocean^: you sure you restarted X?
[01:40] <ximal> heh
[01:40] <^Ocean^> well i did ctrl+alt+backspace and re-logged in..
[01:41] <Vuen> ah. that would do it.
[01:41] <Vuen> hmm...
[01:41] <Vuen> try asking in #compiz-fusion
[01:41] <ximal> going full mode guys to watch me movie.. yall have a good one ;)
[01:43] <Stevethepirate> Hi. Get a "Failed to fetch http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch"
[01:43] <Stevethepirate> when trying to update to gutsy
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> also get a dbus error when running gksu update-manager -c -d
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> but followed online guide on "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades" and still get problems..
[01:44] <Stevethepirate> anyone help me?
[01:45] <magicrobotmonkey> im gonna install gutsy on a mac mini with rEFIt and feisty, anyone know how to do that without grub replacing rEFIt?
[01:49] <moonlite> Does 7.10 use noatime by default?
[01:54] <moonlite> second time i manage to part while writing a message. Pressing ctrl+w isn't the same as ctrl+e :/
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> Hi. Get a "Failed to fetch http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch"
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> also get a dbus error when running gksu update-manager -c -d
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> but followed online guide on "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades" and still get problems..
[01:55] <Stevethepirate> any help?
[01:56] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: 3rd part link?
[01:57] <MTecknology> how do I get my mic to work?
[01:57] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: sorry what?
[01:57] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: is it a 3rd party link?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> the updating?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> *updating server?
[01:58] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: the link
[01:58] <AmyRose> Do you guys like breaking support for Ralink USB wifi dongles every release?
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> -which- link
[01:58] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> oh.
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> its a local mirror
[01:58] <Stevethepirate> [i get 10meg/sec off it]
[01:59] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: ....
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> has anyone else had problems with their atheros wireless with recent updates?
[01:59] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: well it might not be updated...
[01:59] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: No
[01:59] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: I would suggest you try again in a bit
[01:59] <AmyRose> I'm just having problems with my Ralink wireless!
[02:00] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: i can try another mirror..
[02:00] <AmyRose> but my laptop (with Atheros) is working great
[02:00] <Stevethepirate> how large is all the updates?
[02:00] <Stevethepirate> +/-
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: huh... my atheros driver is giving errors on modprobe..
[02:00] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I don't even have to modprobe it because HAL detects it automagically
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> scizzo-: .. /ping
[02:01] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: what?
[02:01] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: I am not sure how much it is
[02:01] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: a lot...I guess
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> like.
[02:01] <Stevethepirate> > 300 megs?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: well neither did I, on back in all the alphas, it was automagically detected, but recently, it stopped being so, so I tried modprobing and got some erros
[02:02] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: yes
[02:02] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[02:02] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: maybe
[02:02] <Stevethepirate> then it will phail for me..
[02:02] <Stevethepirate> capped internet ftl.
[02:02] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: What sort of errors?
[02:02] <scizzo-> Stevethepirate: jesus...run apt-get -u dist-upgrade and see....I am not sure...
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: [  435.178399]  ath_pci: Unknown symbol _ath_hal_attach
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> and tons more like that, but with different symbols
[02:03] <AmyRose> wow
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> do not use teh lords name in vain
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> (thats from dmesg
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> :P
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> +1 Stevethepirate
[02:03] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Have you made sure you're using the latest restricted modules?
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: yalp.
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> luls
[02:03] <Stevethepirate> i'm atheist :P
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: just a sec... let me try a reboot real fast.
[02:04] <Stevethepirate> is there a way to ignore md5 checksums?
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> jesus
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> christ
[02:06] <Stevethepirate> superstar
[02:08] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: How did it work?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: no modprobe errors... automatically loads the modules.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> but still no wireless.
[02:09] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: How are you getting on the Internet then?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> wired
[02:10] <AmyRose> Oh
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> I have been violated!! ;)
[02:11] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I thought this channel was for GNOME lovers =P
[02:11] <AmyRose> (I'm kidding, of course)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: XD
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> there is a HIGH percentage of kubuntu users here..
[02:12] <Stevethepirate> ubuntu > *
[02:12] <AmyRose> ok, I better stop now
[02:13] <AmyRose> Stevethepirate: Yeah, wait for it to finish!
[02:13] <AmyRose> :P
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> okay
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> update manager rates it can download all the files now
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> wish me luck
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> i may never return here :P
[02:14] <Stevethepirate> luls
[02:14] <buntunu1> localhost on?
[02:15] <AmyRose> I do want to ask about why most things seem to only be fixed if GNOME users see the problem too
[02:15] <AmyRose> >.>
[02:15] <macogw> hi amy
[02:16] <scizzo-> AmyRose: then why not use XFCE which is smaller and also has loads of stuff in it?
[02:16] <AmyRose> I've reported a handful of things on the bug tracker (and subscribed to many more) and the only ones that got any attention from the devs seem to be related to GNOME
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: yeah... well GNOME is sadly where the focus is.
[02:16] <AmyRose> scizzo-: What does that have to do with anything?
[02:17] <scizzo-> AmyRose: well you said KDE was more interesting then GNOME
[02:17] <scizzo-> AmyRose: just making a statement that it might depend a bit on the choice of the person...
[02:17] <scizzo-> AmyRose: some even just use TWM
[02:18] <AmyRose> scizzo-: That has nothing to do with the bug tracker.
[02:18] <macogw> i like E17
[02:18] <macogw> no NM-applet though :(
[02:18] <macogw> that's my wm when there's no wifi around
[02:18] <|neon|> question when going into yahoo games firefox freezes  now opera works fine java is installed any suggestions
[02:19] <AmyRose> It would make things easier when X won't start
[02:19] <AmyRose> |neon|: Use Opera!
[02:19] <AmyRose> :D
[02:19] <macogw> fluxbox is also fun
[02:19] <macogw> AmyRose: but that's little-f "free"
[02:19] <|neon|> i like ff better
[02:19] <AmyRose> |neon|: Have you tried Konqueror?
[02:20] <macogw> if you dont like kde you wont like konqueror
[02:20] <AmyRose> macogw: But Java isn't Free Software yet either
[02:20] <macogw> true
[02:20] <|neon|> AmyRose: yahoo tells me to update to a more recent browser
[02:20] <macogw> haha
[02:21] <AmyRose> |neon|: Like IE6? :P
[02:21] <|neon|> :)
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> IE7..
[02:21] <AmyRose> If IE6 is their idea of a recent browser, they're dumb
[02:21] <macogw> |neon|: yahoo told me to update my firefox to firefox 2 when i tried to login to my email with firefox 3
[02:21] <|neon|> i like firefox the best tho i could use opera to play yahoo games
[02:21] <AmyRose> |neon|: Seriously, though, try going to about:plugins and seeing which Java plug-ins are installed. If it's not using the
[02:21] <AmyRose> Sun plug-in, that's the problem
[02:22] <|neon|> AmyRose: will try that thx
[02:22] <AmyRose> |neon|: ywm
[02:22] <AmyRose> macogw: |neon| is using KVirc, which is why I asked about Konqueror =3
[02:22] <macogw> oh did you ctcp him?
[02:22] <AmyRose> yeah
[02:23] <macogw> er...i think thats how--ok that answers that
[02:23] <macogw> how do you do a ctcp? like this?
[02:23] <AmyRose> If they're using a KDE/Qt IRC client, I suggest KDE versions
[02:23] <AmyRose> macogw: Yeah, like that
[02:23] <macogw> ah the bot explains when you screw up
[02:24] <macogw> ctcp userinfo on you didnt do anything
[02:24] <AmyRose> macogw: Yeah, I know. Konversation doesn't reply to them
[02:24] <macogw> oh ok
[02:24] <macogw> whats userinfo usually tell you?
[02:25] <AmyRose> macogw: Nothing, actually.
[02:25] <macogw> oh
[02:25] <macogw> well then that's a silly thing to list as "common messages"
[02:25] <AmyRose> macogw: I can CTCP-VERSION people by right-clicking on their name in the chat window and clicking Version
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: heh.. thats what I was trying to do ;)
[02:27] <AmyRose> Konversation > *
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:29] <RoC_MasterMind> What day of the week does 7.10 release?
[02:29] <macogw> thursday
[02:29] <macogw> RoC_MasterMind:  ^
[02:32] <RoC_MasterMind> I saw.
[02:32] <RoC_MasterMind> thanks
[02:33] <mrj> What package is the GL desktop a part of
[02:33] <mrj> Does it come with kubuntu desktop?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> compiz?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> mrj: no.
[02:33] <mrj> Its a part of compiz?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> kubuntu does not include the compiz stuff
[02:33] <mrj> I didnt see it until I installed kubuntu desktop
[02:34] <mrj> weird
[02:34] <sow1> where do you file a bug report?  I'm running gutsy and having issues setting up dual monitor extended support with ati 9700 card
[02:34] <mrj> maybe it was an update
[02:34] <Dr_willis> ubuntu does include compiz
[02:34] <mrj> i know
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> KAmyRose: went patriotic?
[02:34] <mrj> I didnt know GL desktop was a part of compiz
[02:34] <bazhang> Don't know if anyone else has experienced this but after latest updates in Gutsy (full up to date now) K3b and Konversation refuse to work with Compiz-Fusion in Kubuntu Gutsy, and I will certainly mention this in #compiz-fusion as well, just wondering if this only my issue, or if others had the same problem. Or GNOME users, for that matter. Cheers!
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> mrj: do you mean XGL?
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Not sure what 'gl desktop' even is...
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: not that they would be using those apps ;)
[02:34] <mrj> no, under system>prefs i have a "GL Desktop" icon now
[02:35] <mrj> with a foot
[02:35] <mrj> a gnome foot
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Thats the old preferance icon name for the compiz stuff
[02:35] <Dr_willis> I think. :)
[02:35] <macogw> Dr_willis: "GL Desktop" is the menu's name for the old GNOME Compiz Config
[02:35] <mrj> My desktop is really annoying to use right now and I cant get it customized
[02:35] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: haha, I would guess not..
[02:36] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: gnomebaker, and uh, Gonversation?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: and no...i'm not using compiz right now.but they did just update to compiz .6.0
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: Xchat or pidgin.
[02:37] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: should I wait it out? or try it in GNOME and see what happens--no issues with those programs for you?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: like I said... i'm not using compiz.
[02:38] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: specifically CD/DVD burning in K3b, oh right, sorry.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> i'll get around to testing it out though..
[02:38] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: thanks again, appreciate it.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: i'm waiting for the new ATI drivers.
[02:39] <mrj> I dont know what I did but all of my settings done in the compizconfig manager dont do anything, but if i use the GL desktop and disable GL desktop it stops the compiz effects
[02:39] <mrj> blah i might just reinstall
[02:39] <AmyRose> mrj: Huh?
[02:40] <Dr_willis>   mrj  i had some oddity yesterday where the settings were ignored. then compiz crashed.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> a logout/back in may kick it in the head
[02:41] <mrj> it seems like i have the old compiz running next to the new compiz
[02:41] <mrj> or something
[02:41] <mrj> i just went through the new compiz and disabled everything
[02:41] <mrj> pretty sure its because i installed kubuntu desktop
[02:42] <DanaG> Argh, Pidgin exited when I closed the buddy list.
[02:43] <DanaG> Yet, I have it set to always show in systray.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: I've had that happen to me... its a crash.
[02:43] <DanaG> It happened twice in a row.
[02:43] <DanaG> Also, when Compiz starts with my session, all window shadows are white rectangles.
[02:45] <pestilence> ugh.  why can't my card keep a WPA connection in gutsy
[02:45] <pestilence> it is constantly disconnecting/reconnecting
[02:47] <macogw> pestilence: i dont know but gutsy release day torrenting will be the test for my wired connection.  supposedly the upstream sky2 has had some repairs. we'll see.
[02:49] <macogw> what's a nice gtk torrent client?
[02:50] <RAOF> macogw: I like deluge.  It seems to work :)
[02:50] <sainzeo> i'm trying to setup an external monitor with gutsy but haven't been able to do it correctly - any suggestions?
[02:52] <Demize> How would I install the beta on my computer? I have Ubuntu already, I just need to know.
[02:53] <Demize> Anyone?
[02:54] <Dr_willis> Wow.. you have no patience.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:55] <scizzo-> Demize: you mean a simple command?
[02:55] <Demize> True.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> You want to install.. or UPGRADE.
[02:55] <Demize> Upgrade.
[02:55] <Demize> What do you mean by a simple command?
[02:56] <scizzo-> well in 7 days is the release
[02:56] <scizzo-> but if you really want it now..... gksu update-manager -c -d
[02:57] <Demize> That'll do it?
[02:57] <scizzo-> Demize: try it and see?
[02:58] <DanaG> My bug: bug 121833
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: the kubuntu guys were just working on that I think..(or something like that)
[02:59] <jojo4u> btw, is the RC on it's way?
[03:00] <scizzo-> jojo4u: RC?
[03:00] <Pici> DanaG: You probably should mark it as new/confirmed not incomplete so someone looks at it
[03:00] <scizzo-> jojo4u: gutsy is released as stable in 7 days
[03:01] <jojo4u> I mean the release candidate due today (UTC time)
[03:04] <frostburn> anyone familiar with this error? http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=a1d544e6c6390ef75eb774ea409788d9&t=92252
[03:04] <jo1> anyone help me add the universe/multiverse repositories to gutsy?
[03:05] <bazhang> jo1: via the command line or adept/synaptic?
[03:05] <pestilence> why has firefox all of a sudden started stealing focus when a new tab opens?
[03:05] <pestilence> and how do i prevent that?
[03:06] <jojo4u> pestilence: preferences -> tabs -> "when I open..."
[03:07] <pestilence> jojo4u: yea, that's not checked.
[03:07] <jo1> bazhang: dont mind, i was trying to add via sysytem>admin>software sources but any way that is easy learn so that i can do it in the future by myself
[03:08] <fevel> can someone please help me upgrade to gutsy?
[03:08] <fevel> I am on feisty
[03:08] <fevel> and using a pavillion dv 2210us laptop
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> fevel: do you have a problem?
[03:08] <bazhang> jo1: well in KDE it's Adept, and in GNOME it's Synaptic; which are you using?
[03:09] <RAdams> my mic is not working in any application, yet I can hear myself. suggestions?
[03:09] <jo1> gnome, im using ubuntu 7.10
[03:09] <fevel> nosrednaekim,  actually no, I would like to now the procedure since it hasnt launched yet
[03:09] <fevel> but I just cant wait
[03:10] <jo1> bazhang: gnome, im using ubuntu 7.10
[03:10] <Demize> Thanks for the help. I'll still be aroud, I have homework to do. I'm also on Windows right now, so I can't try that out yet, but I will within an hour.
[03:10] <RAdams> fevel: Are you familiar with using dpkg?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> fevel: oh....you want to know HOW to upgrade?
[03:10] <fevel> yes
[03:10] <fevel> how to upgrade
[03:10] <fevel> im pretty fmilliar with dpkg
[03:10] <fevel> not a guru though
[03:10] <RAdams> fevel: and manually repairing xorg?
[03:11] <RAdams> Because the beta still breaks packages and X now and then
[03:11] <fevel> RAdams, not really
[03:11] <fevel> I have the nvidia drivers installed
[03:11] <RAdams> just wanted you to know what you're getting into
[03:11] <RAdams> yes, and sometimes x still breaks, and you have to dpkg-reconfigure it
[03:11] <bazhang> jo1: then go to synaptic, and bear with me on this (I'm on KDE), but there should be a drop down menu with something like 'manage repositories'; there you choose which ones to enable/disable, and then you have get the new updates, and new upgrades (if any).
[03:11] <fevel> will these issues happen when it launches?
[03:11] <RAdams> not likely
[03:11] <fevel> ok
[03:11] <RAdams> there are bugs up until the final moment...
[03:12] <fevel> then I guess ill wait a couple of days
[03:12] <RAdams> then they MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR!
[03:12] <fevel> since this laptop is really important
[03:12] <RAdams> *poof*
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> we wish
[03:12] <RAdams> :P
[03:12] <fevel> thanks for the advice
[03:12] <bazhang> haha
[03:12] <RAdams> anyway, any idea on my sound? I can't even think of where to test this issue
[03:12] <RAdams> "my mic is not working in any application, yet I can hear myself. suggestions?"
[03:12] <pestilence> RAdams: what's wrong with your sound
[03:12] <pestilence> oh
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> jo1: the repository config is in settings->repositories
[03:13] <crimsun> RAdams: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it
[03:14] <jo1> bazhang: settings>repositories takes me to software sources same as from the system>admin menu which i found but i dont know how to add more. the basic partner and source code repos are there but when I click to add more it asks for complete APT line?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> jo1: ah... and waht repository do you want to add?
[03:14] <jo1> nosrednaekim: thanks i found it, dont know how to add more to it?
[03:15] <jo1> nosrednaekim: universe and multiverse? basically i want to have everything available from synaptic
[03:15] <bazhang> jo1: not sure about that one, my apologies.
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> jo1: they are all enabled b default.
[03:16] <Dr_willis> then ya got the 'other' repos like Seveas  and Mediabuntu and perhaps some others.. :)
[03:16] <crimsun> RAdam2: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it
[03:16] <RAdam2> k
[03:17] <jo1> nosrednaekim: oh are there any others that are useful to add?
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> not really....
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> excpet for very speciallized things.
[03:18] <jo1> nosrednaekim: ok great. how does automatix run with gutsy?
[03:18] <RAdams> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/732490
[03:18] <Dr_willis> I see no need for automatix with gutsy.
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> jo1: don't... use.... it
[03:18] <RAdams> thats a slick script btw
[03:18] <Dr_willis> I see no need for automatix with feisty, or any of the others either.. :)
[03:18] <RAdams> automatix is horrid
[03:18] <Pici> !automatix | jo1
[03:18] <ubotu> jo1: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[03:19] <Dr_willis> each ubuntu release makes automatix more and more useless then it was befor. :)
[03:19] <crimsun> RAdams: looks at lines 257-258
[03:19] <crimsun> look, even
[03:19] <aLeSD> hi all
[03:20] <jo1> oh ok, i am newly transitioning from windows to linux and want to set up the system so i can do everything as before, read it online as a good option? if not is there a better way of doing it?
[03:20] <RAdams> oh
[03:20] <RAdams> how do i fix that?
[03:20] <aLeSD> ok triend another time : compiz take me too much memory
[03:20] <aLeSD> I mena during the time it takes always more memory
[03:20] <crimsun> RAdams: use the volume control.
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> jo1: read what?
[03:20] <aLeSD> and I can't recognize it by top
[03:21] <aLeSD> I mean I can't see the process that occupates the memory by top
[03:21] <RAdams> crimsun: ty sir :)
[03:21] <jo1> nosrednaekim: some article - http://www.pcmech.com/article/windows-to-ubuntu-transition-guide/3/
[03:21] <aLeSD> but if I change to metacity : more than 20% of my memory is freeded
[03:21] <aLeSD> so ?
[03:21] <aLeSD> who have the expirience to tell me who is tacking it ?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> aLeSD: there must be a gnome task manager
[03:22] <macogw> aLeSD: xorg has the memory most likely
[03:22] <RoC_MasterMind> What is the difference between like deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates and deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> jo1: ah...well, this is gutsy, so alot of guides are going to be outadted.
[03:22] <aLeSD> nosrednaekim: I peomise I can't see it by top runned in a root session
[03:22] <aLeSD> I promise
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> aLeSD: I believe you ;) are you on kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[03:23] <aLeSD> I mean I sort by memory and 15% is for evolution
[03:23] <aLeSD> ubuntu
[03:23] <aLeSD> I'm using nvidia driver
[03:23] <aLeSD> maybe the memory used by the graphic card ... I mean the shared memory
[03:24] <jo1> ok so can i get some advice to install all the bits and pieces i need to make my linux capable of dealing with anything i did in Windows?
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> aLeSD: ah.... sorry I use kubuntu so I don't know what ubuntu hasby way of performance monitoring apps
[03:24] <aLeSD> I mean I can see the memory freeded by the counter of the memory in gnome monitor
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> jo1: mostly thats all done.
[03:24] <aLeSD> but I can't see the process
[03:25] <aLeSD> in the end I can use compiz only for a short time
[03:25] <aLeSD> bad bad bug
[03:26] <Demize> I have a sugestion for Gusty:
[03:27] <Demize> For the Live CD, it should be bootable off a DVD.
[03:27] <riotkittie> uh. it is bootable off a dvd.
[03:27] <Demize> Gusty is?
[03:27] <riotkittie> yes.
[03:27] <Demize> I tried it with Fiesty, and it didn't work.
[03:28] <riotkittie> maybe your burn was bad? maybe your disc was bad? maybe your drive is wonky?
[03:28] <Demize> Hmm...
[03:28] <Pici> Demize: Did you burn the cd iso to a dvd? or did you use the dvd iso?
[03:28] <branstrom> Yo guys, how do I make screen go into certain directories for the different windows set up by default in screenrc?
[03:28] <Demize> Ah. I didn't know there were CD and DVD iso.
[03:28] <Demize> *isos
[03:28] <riotkittie> :)
[03:29] <Demize> I got the CD one.
[03:29] <jo1> nosrednaekim: what about audio video codecs, mp3 playback, pdf viewing and firefox plugins?
[03:29] <riotkittie> i burn the cd iso to dvds.
[03:29] <Demize> Okay, time to switch to Ubuntu. No reason for me to be on Windows now.
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> jo1: audio-video, mp3 should be taken care of pretty much automatically, pdf and firefox as well.
[03:31] <bazhang> Gutsy/Compiz-Fusion/Kubuntu issues go away with K3b and Konversation by a simple shutdown and restart of C-F, at least to this point.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: for good?
[03:32] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: well for the last five minutes--does that count? :}
[03:32] <yipe> umm, has anyone noticed that in gutsy, the download page on the official ubuntu site doesn't render correctly with firefox?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: thats not its half-life... compiz is HIGHLY radioacive ;)
[03:33] <bazhang> ;}
[03:33] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: will 0.60 of c-f make it into Gutsy, or should I start installing Hardy Heron now? '}
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: I have .6.0...or maybe that was from another repository..
[03:34] <RAOF> bazhang: 0.6.0 + fixes from git is already in gutsy.
[03:34] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: okay... :]
[03:35] <bdelacey> gksu update-manager -c -d ?
[03:35] <bdelacey> I tried to do this but it gave me a Gtk-WARNING
[03:35] <bazhang> RAOF: so any issues I have been having may have been related to the updated version, perhaps--unusable K3b, Konversation, etc.
[03:35] <andre_> !bug
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[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bdelacey: are you on kubuntu?
[03:36] <bazhang> RAOF: thanks for the info. Cheers!
[03:36] <bdelacey> whhooops, no ubuntu
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bdelacey: oh.. ok
[03:36] <bdelacey> I had reported a bug ...
[03:36] <bdelacey> not wasn't recognizing the video
[03:36] <bdelacey> So I thought I'd try to just do another clean update.
[03:37] <bdelacey> Does update pick up the daily build?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> bdelacey: no need to use the upgrade manager when you are already on gutsy.
[03:37] <bdelacey> I never could get my gutsy install to complete - it got hung up (on an earlier build) with video
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> oh... ok
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah it goes to the newest build
[03:38] <bdelacey> But since the existing version of Ubuntu works fine, I thought I'd try to do an update rather than a complete reinstall - maybe the video drivers would be left hanging around :)
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:41] <bdelacey> Since "sudo gksu update-manager -c -d" doesn't do the upgrade for me, is there something else I can try from a 7.04 base install?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[03:42] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:42] <bdelacey> Thanks!
[03:43] <|neon|> i using kubuntu gutsy and java is installed however when i try to play yahoo games firefox freezes   about:plugins shows that java is installed and enabled any suggestios
[03:43] <yipe> umm, has anyone noticed that in gutsy, the download page on the official ubuntu site doesn't render correctly with firefox? Here's a screencap of what it looks like http://i21.tinypic.com/2luc5ex.png
[03:44] <yipe> notice the mashed together bit in the middle
[03:44] <ximal> how is it not rendered right ?
[03:45] <andre_> bug report filing... mmm good fun
[03:45] <ximal> mine runs fine bro
[03:46] <yipe> please view my screencap
[03:46] <{Zeus}> yipe, mine has that a little
[03:46] <{Zeus}> I think it has to do with the minimum font size
[03:47] <yipe> do you notice that where it says "Which release do you want?" and whatever it says above that are smashed together?
[03:48] <ximal> anyone mind telling me what shrink factor in k9 copy does ?
[03:48] <ximal> if anyone here uses it ?>
[03:49] <riotkittie> i notice. hm. not relevant, but what font are you using?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> never used it. sorry.
[03:49] <ximal> yipe : try using ctrlleft+ plus - or + to change font sizes.. u may have accidentally mashed it with font size change..
[03:49] <yipe> riotkittie uhhh... should be whatever the default is
[03:49] <ximal> yipe : i find that the issue sometimes bro
[03:50] <ximal> hey kittie !
[03:50] <yipe> ximal no, that just makes them get larger and smaller, still on top of each other
[03:50] <ximal> hmm
[03:51] <yipe> I think it might be a bug in either firefox's rendering or more likely the page itself
[03:51] <ximal> i'm betting you need to reinstall firefox .. make sure you have all proper flash and java plugins.. and it might fix it..
[03:51] <ximal> try checking your plugins..
[03:51] <yipe> either way... it'd be nice to have that fixed
[03:51] <yipe> I've got the default gutsy install dude
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> yipe: maybe try adjusting your font sizes
[03:51] <ximal> alot of time it can be how the plugins are working to render the page's code in the proper place..
[03:51] <ximal> default gutsy doesn't include flash or java
[03:51] <yipe> nosrednaekim tried that, no good
[03:52] <ximal> did you install the restricted extras and plugins yet ?
[03:52] <ximal> go to add remove and search for SWF
[03:52] <yipe> I'm sorry, I'm not thinking, yes I did install flash and sunjava
[03:52] <ximal> oh ok
[03:52] <ximal> well
[03:52] <yipe> I know how install things :P
[03:52] <ximal> hmm
[03:52] <yipe> how to*
[03:52] <ximal> maybe it's the theme you're using..
[03:52] <yipe> that's a good idea, lemme try changing that
[03:53] <ximal> sometimes the theme changes how things work ... sounds funny.. but true
[03:53] <ximal> or even your desk settings .. like monitor ... size of screen from 1024 to 10xx by xx
[03:53] <ximal> all irrellevant until it makes things work if you know what i mean.. heh
[03:54] <ximal> well.. i gotta go hit the restroom and dress for work.. gonna head in early to start on food prep... gotta love the grind of fast food.. especially ARBYS..
[03:54] <yipe> no dice, I changed back to human, turned off firefox, reopened it and loaded the page... still nothing, just to be sure I played with the font sizes again, nothing
[03:54] <ximal> good luck yipe !
[03:54] <ximal> sorry m8
[03:54] <yipe> I think I'm just gonna report a bug
[03:54] <ximal> it was a good thought..
[03:54] <ximal> go for it..
[03:54] <jo1> whats the best vnc software to use between ubuntu gutsy and windows xp for remote desktop control?
[03:54] <yipe> it's not a big deal, just kind of embarrassing for us
[03:54] <ximal> good luck m8.. on getting it fixed..
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> !vnc
[03:55] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:55] <AmyRose> jo1: Using VNC on Windows is technically illegal
[03:55] <ximal> how so rose ?
[03:55] <AmyRose> ximal: Windows XP's EULA specifically states that you may only use Microsoft Remote Desktop to project it.
[03:56] <ximal> so no remote admin etc etc ? lol
[03:56] <AmyRose> ximal: If you don't believe me, read the EULA
[03:56] <AmyRose> Well, they say you can only use Microsoft software to do it.
[03:56] <ximal> haha microshaft can blow pc parts for all i care...
[03:56] <jburris> you just have to use Microsoft's RDP
[03:56] <ximal> saying and doing amy.. two different things.. anyhow.. yall have a good night .. i'mgonna get going ;)
[03:56] <Dr_willis> jo1,  for a xp vncserver. i like 'ultravnc'
[03:57] <AmyRose> Dr_willis: Yeah, help jo1 violate XP's EULA
[03:57] <{Zeus}> yay!
[03:57] <Dr_willis> its proberly against thir EULA to have linux on the same machine...
[03:57] <AmyRose> Dr_willis: No, it's not. http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2001-October/025660.html
[03:58] <Dr_willis> First Rule of the EULA, no one discusses the EULA..
[03:58] <bsnider> why isn't linux-restricted-modules-generic being upgraded when the kernel is upgraded?
[03:58] <{Zeus}> that link says you need a microsoft license on the PC
[03:58] <{Zeus}> so if you have a dual-boot...
[03:59] <Dr_willis> or a copy of windows 2.1 in the closet...
[03:59] <AmyRose> This is EXACTLY why I wanted to avoid Windows. I don't want to have to find legal loopholes just to use my computer legally.
[03:59] <secret901> gutsy was recently updated last night and now whenever I restart my alptop it's telling me that it can't detect the video card
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> bsnider: its not? did for me.
[04:00] <secret901> does anyone know what's changed in the most recent update?
[04:01] <bsnider> nosrednaekim: you upgraded from the 2.6.22-13-generic kernel to -14-generic and the restricted package was upgraded too?
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> bsnider: actually I upgraded from -12 to -14
[04:02] <bsnider> fine, but the package was also upgraded?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[04:03] <secret901> how do I file a bug report?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> !bugs
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[04:03] <bsnider> nosrednaekim: can you describe how you upgrade?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> update?
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> I use synaptic and press the "mark all updates" button and hit apply
[04:04] <bsnider> nosrednaekim: in other words, what is the procedure you're using?
[04:04] <bsnider> i see
[04:06] <secret901> Gutsy keeps not recognizing my graphics card even though it's the i810
[04:09] <Gun_Smoke> Any ideas when Gutsy will be "supported"?
[04:10] <RAOF> Gun_Smoke: After it's released, in a week or so.  And then for 18 months after that (on the desktop, at least)
[04:10] <Gun_Smoke> RAOF: week or so.. Okay thanks.
[04:10] <Gun_Smoke> I knew the rest
[04:10] <RAOF> 18th is the official release date target.
[04:12] <Gun_Smoke> Good to know..  Unfortunatly I'm don't have a machine worth leaving 6.06 :(
[04:12] <Gun_Smoke> Man I can't type tonight....
[04:12] <Gun_Smoke> I*
[04:13] <secret901> does the  Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller use the i810 driver?
[04:14] <RAOF> secret901: It probably can, although the -intel driver is what's supported upstream.
[04:14] <IdleOne> I have a nexxteck NX2 5 button usb wireless mouse here. when I plug it in the scroll wheel and the two buttons on the left hand side work but the left and right click buttons dont work. how do I get them working? is there a driver I need to install or something?
[04:15] <RAOF> secret901: intel is meant to replace i810 for everything.  It's only because there are some cards better supported by i810 at the moment that i810 is even in Gutsy.
[04:15] <secret901> the newest update of Gutsy keeps not recognizing my card
[04:15] <secret901> when I restart the laptop
[04:15] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne:  It worked before?
[04:16] <secret901> RAOF: it says that Intel is experimental
[04:16] <IdleOne> first time trying it
[04:16] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: ^^
[04:16] <RAOF> secret901: Where?  That's probably a packaging bug :)
[04:17] <Gun_Smoke> gnome kde?
[04:17] <secret901> RAOF: in System->Admin->Screens and Graphics
[04:17] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: gnome
[04:17] <wsjunior> how do i disable compiz fusin inside kubuntu?
[04:18] <wsjunior> after installing xserver-xgl it seems it runs forever
[04:18] <wsjunior> i've already changed the session but it doesnt went away :/
[04:18] <RAOF> secret901: Oooh, yeah.  File a bug, that's not experimental :)
[04:18] <RAOF> wsjunior: You can create a file called ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable to stop Xgl from starting.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> touch ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[04:19] <Dr_willis> would do it?
[04:19] <wsjunior> Dr_willis: whats the content of this file?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> i dont have one. :)
[04:19] <Dr_willis> he said just MAKE one. :)
[04:20] <Dr_willis> touch would make an empty one
[04:20] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne: Only thing that comes to mind is an article I read a while back why Linus thinks everyone should use kde instead of gnome, and a major complaint he had was changing what mouse buttons did.  Having that in mind, I would imagine your config file is confusing the two that do work for the defult right and left that should work.  I would be you would have better luck with kde.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> oh wait - i got comiz disabled now anyway heh
[04:20] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Yes, although you might need to "mkdir -p ~/.config/xserver-xgl" first
[04:20] <wsjunior> RAOF: the xserver-xgl dir doesnt exist show i create it?
[04:20] <wsjunior> uh
[04:20] <wsjunior> right :D
[04:21] <wsjunior> ready
[04:21] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[04:21] <Dr_willis> i wasent sure if touch made dirs or not
[04:21] <wsjunior> so i just need to restart the session?!
[04:21] <Dr_willis> one way to find out. :)
[04:21] <RAOF> wsjunior: Yes.  Logout, and when you log in again Xgl will not be running.
[04:21] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne: Aside from that, I have never used anything other than a standard 2 button mouse with the occasional  scroll wheel.  Have you googled it?
[04:21] <wsjunior> cross fingers
[04:21] <wsjunior> :)
[04:22] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: kde is not an option on this machine as it just runs way to slow so I need a gnome solution. is there a config file I can look at to maybe change the config
[04:22] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto right now and going to google to see if anyone has used this mouse with ubuntu
[04:26] <secret901> Everytime I restart my laptop, it keeps telling me that it couldn't detect my graphics card.  Is there a way to stop it from asking me?
[04:27] <secret901> even when I select the correct card, it doesn't stick.
[04:27] <IdleOne> !info imwheel
[04:27] <ubotu> imwheel: program to support non-standard buttons on new mice. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0pre12-7 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 268 kB
[04:27] <secret901> is there a way to revert back to feisty?
[04:27] <IdleOne> are repos down?
[04:28] <IdleOne> secret901: only fresh install. some ppl have chaged sources.list back to fiesty and said it worked for them but I wouldnt risk it. best bet is to !backup or !clone and do a fresh install
[04:30] <IdleOne> btw if you add a E to imwheeEl apt wont find the package :)
[04:30] <secret901> I've been having nothing but problems with Gutsy
[04:30] <IdleOne> secret901: it is beta
[04:30] <secret901> mainly graphics
[04:30] <IdleOne> what card?
[04:30] <secret901> Intel 945
[04:31] <secret901> IdleOne: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/Inspiron_1505n
[04:32] <secret901> Beryl used to work in Feisty, but Compiz never worked
[04:32] <jewbilee> Can anyone tell me how I make a custom shell script or application?
[04:34] <IdleOne> secret901: sorry i really dont know how to help you
[04:34] <IdleOne> jewbilee: ask in #ubuntu someone there might be able to help
[04:34] <secret901> IdleOne: know how to get rid of the annoying "Graphic card not found" message whenever I boot up?
[04:35] <IdleOne> does the card work?
[04:35] <secret901> IdleOne: It seems to default to vesa
[04:35] <IdleOne> I mean do you get that message and the card is working?
[04:35] <secret901> IdleOne: and working adequately
[04:36] <secret901> IdleOne: it appears to be working, I can see the screen fine
[04:36] <IdleOne> sound slike a bug then
[04:37] <secret901> IdleOne: it didn't have that problem prior to the update last night
[04:37] <secret901> IdleOne: last night it downloaded a ton of updates
[04:37] <IdleOne> report it on launchpad.net give as much detail as you can about the card and when the issue started
[04:39] <Gun_Smoke> secret901: Hang on.... It will all be pulling together sooner than you think.. And next time wait for the official release.. If you can't give yourself a partition for "beta" releases.
[04:40] <secret901> Gun_Smoke: I hope so
[04:40] <Gun_Smoke> secret901: From RAOF "18th is the official release date target."
[04:40] <Gun_Smoke> about a week to go.. Keep updating and will only get better.
[04:41] <secret901> Gun_Smoke: I can update from beta to official without having to download the whole thing again right?
[04:41] <RAOF> The release schedule in the /topic can always be consulted for details :)
[04:41] <Gun_Smoke> secret901: YUP
[04:41] <Gun_Smoke> keep them going.. it will fix it's self as it moves along.
[04:42] <secret901> Gun_Smoke: I hope so...I'll bear with it for the time being.
[04:42] <secret901> I can't even set it to suspend or hibernate properly
[04:42] <Calicoo> Where are internet settings saved?
[04:43] <Gun_Smoke> Good time to read man pages... do  "man bash" and learn your heart out.. I never stop with those pages...
[04:43] <Gun_Smoke> Calicoo: On the internet of course. :)
[04:43] <MaxLogic> ok so got a question I can see flash like ie: Youtube video but I have no sound is there anything I have to install to get sound. I've never had this problems so I don't even know where to start but I do have sound when it comes to videos, music and what not
[04:43] <secret901> shouldn't have touched what's not broken
[04:43] <Calicoo> >.>
[04:43] <secret901> :-(
[04:43] <Calicoo> I mean in ubuntu.
[04:43] <secret901> doesn't look like Gutsy have anything interesting anyway
[04:43] <Gun_Smoke> Calicoo:  Oh... ummm...  lemmee.. I've got a call..
[04:44] <secret901> turning on Compiz by default is a horrible idea
[04:46] <IdleOne> Gun_Smoke: after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf do I need to restart it ?
[04:48] <Gun_Smoke> IdleOne: No clue pal.. I doubt it.. Most would be log out log on..
[04:48] <IdleOne> ok thanks
[04:49] <Calicoo> No one?
[04:50] <Gun_Smoke> Calicoo: I'd ask that at #ubuntu not +1...........  There is much more traffic there.
[04:50] <Calicoo> Alright. Thanks.
[04:56] <jmg_> hi all
[04:56] <jmg_> how do i enable compiz on my i910?
[04:58] <secret901> jmb_: isn't it enabled by default?
[04:59] <jmg_> secret901: i have plain old fashioned boring desktop
[04:59] <jmg_> do i need to reconfigure xorg?
[05:00] <secret901> jmg_: System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[05:01] <jmg_> secret901: that worked thanks
[05:04] <chris_> hey, is there some weird firewall rules enabled for wireless? All sorts of website are getting blocked on the wireless in linux, but not in windows on the same laptop on the same wireless connection.
[05:04] <secret901> jmg_: np
[05:04] <secret901> chris_ like what site?
[05:04] <chris_> irc.ubuntu.com
[05:04] <chris_> for example
[05:05] <chris_> the website true combat elite connects to to get it's server list.
[05:05] <roe_> where is the link for bandwidth reqs for becoming a mirror
[05:05] <chris_> https://ulearn.ualberta.ca/
[05:05] <chris_> I could go on I suppose.
[05:06] <secret901> chris_: what sort of error do you get?
[05:06] <secret901> chris_: can you ping them?
[05:06] <chris_> it times out.
[05:06] <chris_> in konversation i get this:
[05:06] <chris_> [20:59]  [Info]  Looking for server irc.ubuntu.com:8001...
[05:06] <chris_> [20:59]  [Info]  Server found, connecting...
[05:06] <chris_> [20:59]  [Error]  Connection to Server irc.ubuntu.com lost: connection actively refused. Trying to reconnect.
[05:06] <secret901> how about ulearn.ualberta.ca?
[05:07] <Starcraftmazter> has anyone had issues with bluefish lagging badly?
[05:07] <secret901> chris_: can you ping them?
[05:07] <chris_> I can ping them, that's why it's weird
[05:07] <secret901> have you tried a different browser?
[05:08] <chris_> seems to hate stuff on ports beginning with 80 because it won't let me connect to ktorrent on 8080 at home either.
[05:08] <chris_> this is in firefox and konqueror
[05:08] <chris_> and also in true combat: elite
[05:09] <gaminggeek> anyone here know how to get a wacom tablet to work with gimp?
[05:09] <chris_> hey, is anything on the internal network start with 192? the website true combat uses resolves to <IP_ADDRESS>:27951
[05:10] <secret901> chris_:yes
[05:10] <secret901> chris_: actually, no
[05:10] <chris_> ok, just brainstorming.
[05:11] <jimmygoon> All of my videos that I playback in totem seem to be stretched - too tall-ishly
[05:11] <secret901> chris_: pretty much all of 192 are reserved
[05:11] <jimmygoon> This happens with (all?) video filetypes
[05:12] <jmg_> emerald is too slow, can i disable it and still have compiz?
[05:12] <secret901> jmg_: where's the emerald setting?
[05:13] <jmg_> secret901: it's running emerald
[05:13] <jmg_> secret901: if i turn off window decoration in the compiz settings i get no decorator
[05:14] <secret901> jmg_: I'm having similar problems with compiz
[05:14] <secret901> jmg_: beryl seems to work, but compiz is trouble-prone
[05:14] <Adlai> how can I disable xgl by default on gutsy?
[05:15] <jimmygoon> surely there isn't xgl by default?
[05:15] <Adlai> I don't want effects, but since I have a newer radeon, it's starting xgl
[05:15] <jimmygoon> yucky
[05:15] <Adlai> yup
[05:15] <jimmygoon> does selecting "none" under effects on the appearance pane do it?
[05:16] <Adlai> well, it turns off compiz
[05:16] <Adlai> but doesn't switch back to X
[05:16] <Adlai> and restarting with this new setting changes nothing
[05:16] <Adlai> hmmmmmm
[05:16] <Adlai> actually, it may be because I installed xgl manually a while ago
[05:16] <Adlai> this is my "testing" box
[05:16] <Adlai> let's see if uninstalling that helps
[05:19] <vmlinuz`> how to install identd and enable it. it's already forwarded in my router the port 113. anything else i have to do?
[05:19] <TehUni> is gutsy on schedule for it's RC tomorrow ?
[05:19] <TehUni> vmlinuz`: sudo apt-get install ident2
[05:19] <vmlinuz`> TehUni: thanks
[05:19] <TehUni> np
[05:21] <jmg_> anyone know how to change the decorator away from emerald?
[05:23] <vmlinuz`> * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled.
[05:23] <vmlinuz`> do i need to enable it from somewhere?
[05:24] <wims> have they released an iso of the beta or do we have to upgrade through feisty ?
[05:24] <vmlinuz`> wims: both can work
[05:24] <vmlinuz`> i upgraded to gutsy from feisty
[05:25] <jaebird> any empathy users here?
[05:25] <wims> yeah, but my gutsy install is a mess
[05:25] <wims> i just want to clear it out and start from scratch
[05:25] <IdleOne> ok now I got a new error. need to kill bonobo-activation-server and restart nautilus
[05:25] <wims> but i cant find an .iso of gutsy
[05:25] <jaebird> wims: gutsy beta
[05:26] <IdleOne> wims: www.ubuntu.com has it
[05:26] <jaebird> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[05:26] <wims> cheers
[05:26] <wims> oh
[05:26] <wims> its a dvd now
[05:26] <wims> hm
[05:26] <jaebird> ok, so empathy (jabber client) is not connecting now after the gutsy update today
[05:27] <vmlinuz`> TehUni: I installed ident2 .. but still
[05:27] <jaebird> was working grand yesterday and before
[05:27] <IdleOne> how do I restart nautilus?
[05:27] <jaebird> there are a boatload of dependencies for it...so any one of them could have honked it i suppose
[05:27] <TehUni> vmlinuz`: ...?
[05:28] <DanaG> onefish twofish redfish bluefish.
[05:28] <vmlinuz`> TehUni: do i need to switch the service on from somewhere? because it's still not working
[05:28] <TehUni> vmlinuz`: you'll need to run "sudo ident2" to start it
[05:29] <vmlinuz`> and I did TehUni. still not working :/
[05:29] <Adlai> blowfish
[05:30] <IdleOne> ident should not need sudo privs to run
[05:30] <IdleOne> but maybe it does
[05:30] <TehUni> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Permission denied
[05:30] <TehUni> so i run it w/ sudo
[05:31] <vmlinuz`> how to stop the service?
[05:31] <IdleOne> I need a reboot
[05:31] <IdleOne> :/
[05:31] <wims> wow there's full ntfs write support now
[05:31] <wims> that rocks
[05:34] <gnomefreak> guess it doesnt :(
[05:43] <DanaG> Gaah, I hate that double blink on idle, especially when it happens when I'm not really idle.
[05:43] <DanaG> For example, try using SSH with X.  You'll find that you'll seem to be idle.
[05:49] <branstrom> Double blink?
[05:51] <DanaG> Yeah, it blinks off twice during the "fade".
[05:55] <branstrom> Okay, let me be more specific: blinks? What blinks?
[05:55] <DanaG> The LCD backlight.
[05:56] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:57] <branstrom> Ah. Can that be seen with a CRT too? I think I've experienced something similar... but it's probably some but with the nvidia driver or whatever.
[05:57] <naught101> anyone here know much about cpu scaling governors?
[05:57] <branstrom> Like, the screensaver, when it starts fading
[05:59] <naught101> I have some in my /etc/modules, cpufreq_powersave, etc, but I want to install the userspace one too. I've read a number of things on the net, some say it's cpufreq-userspace, some say it's cpufreq_userspace...
[05:59] <naught101> which is it?
[05:59] <naught101> and does the same rule apply to all the others as well?
[06:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, underscore and dash are interchangeable.
[06:04] <DanaG> Sometimes tab-complete will give one, and sometimes it will give the other.
[06:04] <TQuid> Ah, someone else with a borked gdm?
[06:05] <TQuid> Mine is griping that no server is defined in its config file--did a sudo aptitude reinstall gdm after nuking /etc/gdm and no joy.
[06:05] <TQuid> And the server damned well IS defined in there.
[06:06] <naught101> DanaG: for all modules?
[06:06] <TQuid> Oh, wait,t hat's history from aeons ago.
[06:06] <naught101> cool
[06:06] <TQuid> So, yeah, gdm is griping; I don't see a bug about it.
[06:06] <TQuid> Anyone else seen this?
[06:06] <TQuid> Oh, and gdmsetup segfaults.
[06:08] <Nuked> anyone know how to prevent xgl from starting up aside from uninstalling it
[06:09] <Nuked> ?
[06:11] <TQuid> I think that'll be in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, Nuked.
[06:17] <TQuid> Looks like gdm-custom.conf became gdm.conf-custom
[06:17] <Nuked> a message popped up when I had installed xgl.. in my zeal to get it to work... I never took down what was in the message
[06:18] <hydrogen> xgl is mostly unnecessary at this point
[06:18] <Nuked> hydrogen: I was told that it is for ati cards
[06:18] <Nuked> TQuid: I see no xgl entry in my xorg.conf
[06:18] <hydrogen> Nuked: depends on the drivers I think
[06:19] <TQuid> And clicking "configure x server" segfaults it too.
[06:19] <hydrogen> but check /usr/bin/startx
[06:19] <hydrogen> for defaultserver
[06:19] <Nuked> hydrogen: any way that I can get it to stop starting?
[06:19] <Nuked> Jordan_U: I HATE fglrx
[06:19] <Nuked> but the driver has made progress
[06:20] <hydrogen> Nuked: I havn't used it in a long time.. check /usr/bin/startx for the defaultserver entry however
[06:20] <TQuid> bloody hell, why is gdm so fucked?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> havent noticed...
[06:20] <Jordan_U> Nuked, And the next version will have AIGLX! ...  That was a real WTF moment :)
[06:23] <Jordan_U> Nuked, So it is not possible to have direct rendering on top of XGL
[06:29] <macogw> based on TQuid's question i must ask
[06:30] <linoleum> hello
[06:30] <macogw> has anyone else had lately where they log in to GDM and then wait...and wait....and wait...and wait...and GNOME never actually loads?
[06:30] <macogw> or GNOME loads...kind of....just the background and panel (with no applets, icons or menus)
[06:30] <macogw> ???
[06:30] <linoleum> do you know how can I activate dmix in gusty , because it seem dmix is not enable by default in gusty : if I run Jackd and try to play music after that, there is no sound
[06:31] <mzuverink> macogw, you have to kill bonobo-activation-server then log back in
[06:31] <macogw> what's bonobo?
[06:32] <macogw> and if you can't alt+f2 or open an xterm because gnome doesn't finish loading and you cant use the tty's because framebuffer is broken...how do you do that?
[06:32] <macogw> i restarted X with ctrl+alt+backspace over and over til it just stopped and wouldnt restart (if it took that many tries) then rebooted if it got to that point and was still not working, then tried some more
[06:33] <macogw> eventually, i'd get lucky and it'd work
[06:35] <mzuverink> macogw, its a known bug, so you know that it only happens if you login then logout.  before you log back in, go to a term, log in and kill the process, simple really
[06:37] <macogw> eh?
[06:38] <macogw> it happens when i first log in after boot
[06:38] <macogw> and once ive logged out, where am i to find a term? framebuffer's yet to be fixed
[06:38] <macogw> who do i blame for the new ability to grab things from firefox and drop them on the desktop to "download" them like on osx? is that gran paradiso or is that gutsy?
[06:41] <sid> I just wrote 3 documents in oo.o, saved them etc. but they're gone now
[06:42] <sid> and the backup files are 0 bytes
[06:45] <Dr_willis> grab what things?  (I think it's when the screen turns off)
[06:56] <stdin> bintut: /etc/iftab is the way
[06:56] <bintut> stdin: i'll check on that file.. thanks..
[06:56] <stdin> naught101: you do know the language rules, don't you?
[06:56] <naught101> like the screen filling up with broken console spaces
[06:56] <bintut> stdin: i don't have that file.. :(
[06:56] <naught101> stdin: no, I didn't. I can guess one of them now though.
[06:57] <bintut> stdin: normally, i change it inside the /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net*
[06:58] <stdin> bintut: I guess you can make it, it goes like "eth0 mac THE:MAC:ADDRESS:HERE arp 1" change "THE:MAC:ADDRESS:HERE" to the MAC address of the interface
[06:58] <bintut> stdin: ok
[06:58] <bintut> stdin: but, do you know how the ubuntu gutsy named it as eth2 and eth3?
[06:59] <bintut> instead of eth0 and eth1 or wlan0 respectively?
[06:59] <stdin> no idea, my interfaces were the same in feisty
[06:59] <bintut> ok
[07:00] <Davy_Jones> when 7.1 is released, what will happen to ubuntustudio?
[07:01] <Davy_Jones> will it have the upgrades too?
[07:01] <mahrellon> Morning everyone
[07:02] <mahrellon> Do you guys know if it's safe to install the latest updates for GG (with xorg updates and all) or is anything broken?
[07:02] <bintut> brb
[07:02] <mzuverink> why wont it sound preview even though I have it set to do so and have installed mpg123?
[07:04] <dystopianray> is kopete still broken?
[07:06] <friend2GNU> I haven't had a chance to try kubuntu gutsy, but is compiz layed out in kubuntu like in ubuntu
[07:07] <dystopianray> kubuntu will not have compiz by default, if that's what you mean
[07:07] <friend2GNU> thanks you answered my question =)
[07:30] <jewbilee> my friend just installed ubuntu on an external HDD and now when he went to reboot to into Ubuntu, he gets a grub error 21.  He has a RAID setup with vista as his main OS but now he cant even boot into that
[07:30] <jewbilee> can anyone help?
[07:30] <DanaG> Argh, Amarok freezes sometimes when I hit play or pause.
[07:37] <hydrogen> so don't hit play or pause, make up your mind so it can make up its
[07:45] <DanaG> Well, how can I play music if I don't start it?
[07:45] <DanaG> eeh, your answer was a joke, right?
[07:57] <ryan8403> I hope someone might be able to help. I need to use vpnc to connect to a cisco vpn server, but its not connecting to the server. I get an error message, unable to bind to <IP_ADDRESS>:500
[07:58] <ryan8403> netstat -a doesn't show anything waiting for a connection though
[08:02] <macogw> who says granparadiso's bonus is less mem leakage? top:
[08:02] <macogw>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[08:02] <macogw>  8747 maco      25   0  374m 180m  37m R   97 18.0  51:03.58 firefox-3.0
[08:03] <macogw> well i guess that's more cpu hogging than mem leakage
[08:03] <macogw> but 180MB of mem is certainly too much
[08:11] <oem> any one ehre
[08:15] <oem> hello
[08:15] <oem> wow soem oens here
[08:16] <oem> say have you enterd into the oem portion of the disk at all?
[08:16] <oem> Hi Pici
[08:16] <oem> its me lee
[08:17] <DanaG> WTF?  gnome-user-share shares my whole home dir, not just ~/Public.
[08:17] <oem> Iam confused and not sure waht to do atm
[08:17] <oem> hu?
[08:18] <oem> when you give soem access via the acess my pc you give them full access to everything even in windows, taht is how del trouble shots everyhting
[08:20] <oem> eh can some give me some adive on waht to do with  the button called...preare for shippining to end user?
[08:20] <oem> hi eMaX
[08:21] <sleepynate> oem: don't click that one. it starts a war with china
[08:21] <oem> emax, iam in oem mode and not sure waht to do
[08:21] <oem> oh lol
[08:21] <Hobbsee> oh dear, you are on gutsy.
[08:21] <oem> no i cant go there either lol
[08:21] <Hobbsee> why?
[08:21] <sleepynate> could wreck the whole economy. that would be awful, no?
[08:21] <oem> thesaid cause i am gusty I go here lol
[08:21] <oem> here's the story
[08:21] <oem> ready
[08:22] <Hobbsee> yes, but you clearly shouldnt be on gutsy, if you dont know what you're doing.
[08:23] <oem> I was bard 3 days ago and decided to hunt and kinda see waht linux was all about, seeign that dell is starting to load it on tp there systems now, so I found ubuntu because it was displayed all nice and neat on the web sight at dell
[08:23] <oem> So I googled it, and said wow a beta..I love betas cause there all fun and you'll never know waht you will find
[08:24] <oem> so, I burnd the beta to disk and low and behold waht should come up.....a tasty delight full scrambled screen so I restatred and changed it to a different res and then hit OEM....I love oems..there fun..but..I go more then waht I bargaind for
[08:25] <oem> I did not realise taht I became a distrubieter lol
[08:26] <oem> eh so, was this a mistake that Ubuntu made? or are they wanting everyone to test this thing
[08:27] <oem> eh I don't have fiesty fawn...this was the only oem that burnd right after all 8 attempts of buring a cd rom
[08:28] <frostburn> burn slower cds
[08:28] <oem> Thats how i wound up with this one
[08:28] <oem> well, I am going to poke taht button and see waht happens
[08:29] <oem> whats the worse taht can happen
[08:29] <gnomefreak> screen res issue using desktop cd i suggest you eith burn feisty or if you are that hell bent for a broken system download and burn the alternative cd. this si normally some weird hardware that the installer can find info on it
[08:29] <frostburn> you accidentally write 1's to your bios
[08:30] <oem> any how, ok ia may be new but I don't go messign with my bios lol
[08:30] <oem> I don't even falsh the thing
[08:30] <frostburn> lol
[08:30] <frostburn> you asked what's the worst
[08:30] <oem> oh lol
[08:30] <frostburn> i don't even know how to do that on purpose
[08:31] <oem> well I heard horor storeis of bios flashing stories
[08:31] <oem> and seen a few
[08:32] <oem> hmm fine print says I have limmitted abillites as an oem user
[08:32] <oem> ok buggy report time lol
[08:33] <oem> holy cow it comes with power histry
[08:33] <frostburn> what's that?
[08:34] <oem> no idea some kind of thing taht does a power search
[08:34] <oem> hmm it disapeared
[08:36] <oem> its also saying something aobut editing  the sign in screen
[08:36] <oem> its like its on steroids
[08:36] <oem> well I need to restart lol
[08:36] <wabiD> is the website down?
[08:36] <macogw> oem: OEM mode means a normal installation but without the first user's username and password set yet.  just do a regular install
[08:37] <oem> ok going to do taht
[08:37] <macogw> power history shows what charge level you're battery's been at over time
[08:39] <Gabz^laptop> can you install gusty kubuntu without using the cd ?
[08:40] <frostburn> yes add $update-manager -d
[08:40] <Gabz^laptop> nah i need to do it to a clean hard drive
[08:41] <Gabz^laptop> my laptop doesn't like booting off burnt cd for some reason
[08:41] <Gabz^laptop> it booted madrivia which came with the linux magazine but not kubuntu 7.10 beta
[08:42] <frostburn> you can do a network boot if your mobo supports it
[08:43] <Gabz^laptop> yeah it supports PXE network boots
[08:50] <murlidhar> if i upgrade to gutsy then can i again install the whole gutsy after releasing ? is it better to upgrage using alternate cd (offline installation)
[08:51] <Seeker`> murlidhar: (current gutsy) + (all updates to gutsy before release) = (release gutsy)
[08:52] <murlidhar> Seeker`: so do i install it using alternate cd?
[08:52] <macogw> you can just upgrade to it
[08:52] <macogw> gksu "update-manager -d"
[08:53] <macogw> if you dont have feisty running already though, then yes, use a gutsy beta cd
[08:54] <murlidhar> i do not have a stable internet connection i think it is better to install using alternate cd since i have feisty already installed
[08:54] <murlidhar> what do u guys recommend?
[08:55] <macogw> if you're afraid your internets will *poof* mid-upgrade, burn an alternate cd and add that as your only repository, then upgrade from it
[08:56] <Caelum> anyone know how to debug a freeze on boot with "Loading please wait..." I don't see anything useful in the logs
[08:56] <murlidhar> macogw: thnks i will do that right on just a question after adding it as repository what should i do?
[08:57] <macogw> murlidhar: same thing: gksu "update-manager -d"
[08:57] <macogw> make it the first repo in the list
[08:57] <macogw> so itll be the one it defaults to
[08:57] <macogw> or disable the network repos first
[08:57] <lee__> eh ok i am back if any one is here
[08:57] <murlidhar> macogw: won't it then go to the internet then ?
 gksu "update-manager -d"       why gksu? why not just "update-manager -d"?
[08:58] <murlidhar> apt-get dist-upgrade is somebody said
[08:58] <lee__> ok I was brave and poked that button
[08:58] <macogw> hit: it has a gui
[08:58] <macogw> if you leave them enabled itll grab from the repos if there's a newer version on repos than on cd but from cd if it matches the rep
[08:59] <macogw> update-manager -d runs the regular update manager with a button to upgrade to the development version. it does more checks on what repos are disabled.  i suppose if you know you've disabled all network repos it doesnt matter though
[08:59] <lee__> eh in case your wondering it is me the one taht was called OEM
[08:59] <hit> macogw: update-manager -d also shows a gui
[08:59] <macogw> just cant have 3rd party repos enabled during upgrades
[08:59] <mzuverink> anyone else getting a redirect error at ubuntu.com?
[08:59] <hit> oh
[09:00] <macogw> hit: yes.  because update-manager -d has a gui, you use gksu
[09:00] <jmg_> macogw: you wrote -d didnt you?
[09:00] <jmg_> :)
[09:00] <macogw> yes
[09:00] <jmg_> hehe
[09:01] <macogw> what?
[09:01] <hit> i still don't get it, both are showing gui
[09:01] <jmg_> nothing
[09:01] <murlidhar> do i have to completely upgrade the feisty before moving out to gutsy
[09:01] <jmg_> thanks for your contribution to ubuntu :)
[09:01] <macogw> jmg_: wait what?
[09:01] <hit> ah gksu displays a warning tho      warning: could not initiate dbus
[09:01] <macogw> jmg_: not the code for it. i thought you meant in-channel
[09:01] <jmg> macogw: oh
[09:01] <jmg> macogw: sorry i thought you implemented the feature
[09:02] <macogw> hit: you're not supposed to use plain sudo on gui apps because it does something different than gksu does.  gksu has some special error checking magic
[09:02] <macogw> jmg: oh no no
[09:02] <macogw> i dont code well enough :P
[09:02] <jmg> :p okay
[09:02] <jmg> you should learn python :) its fun
[09:02] <hit> macogw: ok, thanks
[09:03] <jmg> gksu makes sure you dont badly chown stuff
[09:03] <lee__> so has any here encountered the OEM thing on there disks?
[09:03] <frostburn> afaik gksu is just a graphical frontend
[09:03] <jmg> lee__: huh?
[09:03] <macogw> jmg: i know some, but we have so much java, c, c++, and xul in school that i have little time for other languages
[09:03] <lee__> eh i signed in as an oem about 5 minuts ago
[09:03] <jmg> macogw: ah - xul - cool, you will be able to write mozilla plugins
[09:03] <lee__> its was the only thing that would run
[09:04] <macogw> lee__: it makes it so there's just the stuff installed and no user accounts set up yet.  if you do a normal install, itll be identical except that it asks what username and password you want during installation
[09:04] <macogw> jmg: that was the first assignment in my dev of oss class
[09:04] <jmg> macogw: oh wow an oss course? thats nice
[09:04] <lee__> i did the install...and eh you only get a partial install
[09:04] <macogw> frostburn: someone on #ubuntuforums said it does some extra checks / protects you from yourself a bit
[09:04] <lee__> eh at least thats what the message said lol
[09:05] <macogw> lee__: thats not right then.  you got a bad disk if oem's all that would work
[09:05] <macogw> and if it didnt even finish that
[09:05] <lee__> it comleted everything
[09:05] <lee__> i even have something called
[09:05] <lee__> show search entry
[09:06] <lee__> systems stable
[09:06] <lee__> all8 are working
[09:06] <macogw> jmg: the prof is the head dev for camino (ff that fits with mac's aqua) so thats why we do xul and c++.  i have to write a ff component in c++ for monday.  that's tomorrow evening's task to start hammering out
[09:07] <lee__> and the partial containd over 4,000 files erg
[09:07] <lee__> I am guessing that it was the message thatwas off lol
[09:07] <lee__> its fast that is for sure
[09:07] <jmg> macogw: what university?
[09:08] <macogw> jmg: george washington
[09:09] <lee__> well its faster then what fiesty was
[09:10] <lee__> i am able to dl at 55kb
[09:10] <lee__> eh 555kb where i was only dl 45-100
[09:10] <macogw> dl isnt anything to do with distro, AFAIK
[09:10] <macogw> thats your ISP
[09:11] <lee__> eh i have commycast
[09:11] <frostburn> it is if you're running windows, they limit the max number of tcp connections
[09:11] <lee__> but somethings not right i an supose to have 8mps
[09:11] <hit> anyone knows why gksu "update-manager -d" produces a 'warning: could not initate dbus'?
[09:12] <skinnypuppy34> ftp is generally faster than http on most isp's
[09:12] <lee__> eh i got that to
[09:12] <lee__> what is debus?
[09:13] <macogw> hit: because gksu always does that
[09:13] <lee__> windows or ubuntu
[09:13] <hit> so it's kind of 'freature' to display that warning? :p
[09:14] <avatar_> Anyone here who has experience with landscape? http://www.canonical.com/landscape
[09:15] <macogw> hit: there's probably some dbus binding available that's not in use
[09:15] <hit> ko
[09:15] <hit> ok
[09:17] <lee__> well i just tried to update and it said system fully updated
[09:19] <m1r> morning
[09:19] <lee__> hmm that search tool..searches for both commands used as well as searhing for folders and files
[09:19] <macogw> deskbar?
[09:20] <m1r> why install wants to go online in alternate cd at 85% configuring tomboy ?
[09:22] <lee__> well i found a link..or a book marked page and it said it couldnt redirect lol
[09:22] <m1r> finally it continued , after checking all sources.list, too about 1h
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> hey guys
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> which plugin in compiz does transparency
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> and how do you use it?
[09:28] <Starcraftmazter> I kind of need it atm
[09:29] <Starcraftmazter> O_o
[09:29] <AnRkey> Hi
[09:30] <ddt_7th>  i upgrade my system to gutsy,but there is a problem
[09:30] <nanonyme> Starcraftmazter, you need eye candy? now that's an interesting concept ;)
[09:30] <ddt_7th> i click quit,and it's very slow to show the shutdown,restart,logoff dialog box
[09:30] <MrStein> is there no beta cd ? just dvd ?
[09:30] <sbucatino> hi i have this problem : gutsy tribe 3 extra keys work; gutsy tribe 5 exstra keys don t want work :(
[09:30] <nanonyme> then again, i've visioned embedding a terminal to my desktop background so i guess i shouldn't say anything...
[09:31] <lee__> i have a beta cd that i burned 3 days ago
[09:31] <Starcraftmazter> nanonyme: yes I have to copy a large amount of stuff between two screens
[09:32] <nanonyme> lee__, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ which of these did you download?
[09:32] <lee__> yeah i got that , an more then i bargaind for as i have an oem option
[09:33] <sbucatino> for who want know i have solved a problem with alc861 vd with pached driver (realtek) based on alsa driver 1.0.15rc3
[09:33] <nanonyme> i mean, those are dvd images
[09:33] <AnRkey> can some1 help me with what looks like a bug in the intel graphics drivers >> http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png
[09:33] <lee__> Iam not joking on taht on one nanonyme
[09:33] <nanonyme> which MD5SUMS.gpg <3
[09:33] <lee__> eh don't know just a sec
[09:34] <nanonyme> that's the way things should be done
[09:34] <nanonyme> s/which //
[09:34] <sbucatino> noone knows about exstra keys problem ?
[09:35] <lee__> naonyme that isn't even close to what i downloaded....I burned an actaul cd not dvd
[09:36] <nanonyme> hmyeah
[09:36] <nanonyme> i guess what you downloaded isn't available anymore?
[09:36] <lee__> I burned it from Ubuntu while searching I came across the link by accident
[09:37] <nanonyme> but that's another issue
[09:37] <lee__> you can say that again, I got around the mess my 1 cahngignt he graphics taht corrected the messy screen and crashes and then 2 I just went straight for the OEM mode
[09:37] <nanonyme> heh
[09:38] <lee__> eh are there version s of gutst?
[09:38] <lee__> eh gutsy
[09:38] <natsume> uhhhh
[09:38] <nanonyme> versions as in what?
[09:38] <natsume> how to fix this all things
[09:39] <lee__> as ones with OEM ones with out OEm ones tah you up grade from fiesty, stuff like that
[09:39] <nanonyme> heh, you don't need a cd to upgrade from feisty
[09:39] <lee__> and is so then how do we tell waht version we got?
[09:39] <nanonyme> just wait till 18th till it's released and it should be trivial to just tell your system to update
[09:39] <lee__> eh oh, eh I kinda wiped out fiesty then used the cd
[09:40] <nanonyme> hrmh
[09:41] <lee__> Hopefully they give the propper ati drivers erg
[09:41] <lee__> Ihad to load the ones that I have to keep form my sceeen looking like an hour galss
[09:41] <lee__> erg I must be itred lol
[09:41] <lee__> can't type
[09:42] <nanonyme> well, afaik the good ATI drivers will get to hardy
[09:42] <lee__> eh i am curently running the ones that i got from ati its self.. i really don't need eye kandy lol
[09:44] <nanonyme> lee__, gutsy will have eye candy on by default
[09:44] <nanonyme> the lead developers chose popularity over stability
[09:44] <lee__> well i knoticed that but i killed weeble woble by using my ati drivers lol
[09:45] <lee__> eh the ones from atui
[09:45] <nanonyme> as the announcement quite clearly said
[09:45] <lee__> only because my monitor  had an hour glass shape to it
[09:45] <nanonyme> then again, gutsy final is supposed to have some failsafe x
[09:45] <nanonyme> that you can use to turn compiz off
[09:46] <lee__> oh coolio
[09:46] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, Bulletproof X does more than that
[09:46] <AnRkey> can some1 take a look and this and help me out http://www.tiehab.com/problem.png
[09:46] <nanonyme> "This specification describes a new failsafe mode that will be used if X fails to start up. It will be in a reduced (VESA 800x600/256 or VGA 640x480/16) graphics environment running a single application (displayconfig-gtk) for configuring the graphics devices."
[09:46] <lee__> eh is that what i did then? turnd off the compiz? it now saying that tere is no cmposite availiasble
[09:47] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, You can basically butcher your xorg.conf any way you want and X will still start ( with a program to reconfigure your xorg.conf if it's screwed up )
[09:47] <lee__> thats nice lol
[09:47] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, Does that only happen in Gutsy?
[09:48] <nanonyme> Jordan_U, so it's mostly an always-working replacement for apt-get text mode reconfigure
[09:48] <lee__> i think that came in an up date
[09:48] <nanonyme> graphical one, that is
[09:48] <nanonyme> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX
[09:48] <Jordan_U> lee__, fglrx doesn't work with AIGLX
[09:48] <nanonyme> yet
[09:48] <lee__> well i am not gong to go buthchering it lol
[09:48] <nanonyme> the new driver will
[09:48] <lee__> i know and understand that
[09:49] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, I know, I hacked a bit on it :)
[09:49] <lee__> i just didnt want to kill the only monitor i have atm
[09:49] <nanonyme> so waiting till hardy before putting compiz in would have been quite justified
[09:49] <awalton__> dear goodness I can't wait for the new ATi driver, so us r(s)4xx users can get out of the stone-age
[09:49] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, Then they would be in uncharted territory with an LTS version
[09:49] <lee__> lol
[09:50] <lee__> what are you taking about lol, i have 16x enabled
[09:50] <nanonyme> display adapter chip
[09:50] <lee__> and 6x too
[09:50] <Jordan_U> nanonyme, If they hadn't done it with Gutsy they wouldn't have done it until 8.04 ( at least I doubt they would have enabled composite by default first time on an LTS )
[09:50] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, yes
[09:50] <nanonyme> hmm
[09:51] <nanonyme> Jordan_U, then i guess it's just damn bad timing with releases
[09:51] <nanonyme> sorry for the curse
[09:51] <awalton__> well, didn't they want to do composite by default in feisty?
[09:51] <awalton__> and deferred it due to its.. well.. lack of working-ness
[09:51] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, this is on a shiny new dell vostro 200 pc
[09:52] <lee__> eh mines a dell dimension 5150
[09:52] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have another pc with intel graphics behind me, trying to reproduce
[09:52] <lee__> with the x300 radeon
[09:52] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have another Vostro that I am going to try on too
[09:53] <AnRkey> It's pretty close to release date, will they be able to fix this n time?
[09:53] <lee__> pcie and pcie x16
[09:53] <lee__> I hope so
[09:54] <lee__> hmm another thing i noticed right off that bat is i have fast swich
[09:54] <Jordan_U> awalton__, Sabdfl has wanted composite by default since Dapper :)
[09:54] <lee__> for users
[09:54] <awalton__> hah, for that matter, so did I -_-
[09:55] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have my doubts about it being ready for gutsy
[09:55] <awalton__> ready or not, here it comes.
[09:55] <Jordan_U> I don't think it will be "ready" until we have redirected direct rendering, but that isn't popular :)
[09:55] <lee__> well after the crash that i had when i enabled the graphics adapter...hmm
[09:56] <lee__> enabled it and got blk screen of death
[09:56] <lee__> bsd not fun
[09:56] <AnRkey>  redirected direct rendering? what the?
[09:57] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, for my display, any ideas?
[09:57] <awalton__> idk either >_<
[09:57] <lee__> hu wahtare you talking about?
[09:57] <awalton__> unless he meant AIGLX
[09:57] <lee__> eh i am running the catylyst
[09:58] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, No idea
[09:58] <scapor> When will the RC be online ?
[09:58] <scapor> seems like part of the Ubuntu website is offline atm :|
[09:59] <avatar_> scapor: i suppose today
[09:59] <lee__> eh i have messaglx
[09:59] <lee__> eh messa glx
[09:59] <Jordan_U> AnRkey, http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html Compiz Fusion may "beat" OS X and Vista's aero, but AIGLX does not, and won't until this is solved IMHO
[09:59] <awalton__> ah that's what you meant.
[10:00] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, thanks, i will give that  read
[10:00] <AnRkey> a read
[10:00] <RAOF> Of course, Xgl provides that already :P
[10:00] <awalton__> yeah that's why I was confused.. I'd never had that problem with Xgl
[10:00] <Jordan_U> RAOF, But the point is to be able to display 3D content correctly AND at > 3 FPS :)
[10:00] <scapor> Doesn't Xgl use more resources ?
[10:00] <awalton__> yes, yes it does.
[10:01] <awalton__> but, it works
[10:01] <lee__> ah heck wi that cuby looking thing it looks like you aught to bwe able to spin it to different selections lol
[10:01] <scapor> I think I'll use it on my new laptop as it has an ATI radeon card
[10:02] <frostburn> lee__, you can
[10:02] <scapor> which is not supported by the open source radeon driver
[10:02] <awalton__> composite-by-default uses xgl on ati machines anyways I'm pretty sure, it setup and configured itself on my machine that way.
[10:02] <lee__> erg.. i can see some bennifits to that
[10:03] <lee__> but hen i see programing difficulties to
[10:03] <scapor> I guess it would be the same to download the daily build of the desktop CD then the RC of todays .. no ?
[10:03] <Jordan_U> awalton__, Nope, no XGL, no Compiz for fglrx users :(
[10:04] <awalton__> sucks for them
[10:04] <scapor> installing xgl on a ati machine makes compiz-by-default work
[10:04] <lee__> THATS WHERE I heard of it...my freind who has vista..and he not happy with it lol...
[10:04] <lee__> eh where can i get xgl?
[10:04] <awalton__> well, at least hardy will be much more.. hardy.. in terms of graphics
[10:05] <RAOF> Jordan_U: My Xgl works on my nvidia card, and planetpenguin racer doesn't suffer much of a performance penalty.
[10:05] <Jordan_U> awalton__, Still won't have redirected direct rendering :(
[10:05] <lee__> actuly at fisrt load my widows were fading and such
[10:05] <scapor> lee_: install package xserver-xgl
[10:05] <awalton__> haha.
[10:06] <lee__> ok this is only a test to see what happens
[10:06] <scapor> lee__: means you had the open source driver in use
[10:06] <lee__> yeah
[10:06] <scapor> lee__: the oss driver can do compiz but is not enough to do games etc
[10:07] <lee__> yeat it was reaking havoc on mysytem..128 meg card and they cut it to 32 megs
[10:07] <Jordan_U> scapor, Depends on the card, for some it's better than fglrx
[10:07] <awalton__> *tear* why can't C have lambda functions
[10:07] <RAOF> awalton__: Eh, it's not so bad.
[10:07] <scapor> Jordan_U: but in lee's case it seems not ;)
[10:07] <awalton__> raof, it's just annoying is all.
[10:07] <RAOF> awalton__: Anonymous functions are overrated
[10:08] <RAOF> awalton__: That's certainly not the *first* thing I'd be complaining about it C :)
[10:08] <lee__> eh whats the propper command line for that lol
[10:08] <awalton__> I loves my C, I just hate building up boilerplate again and again
[10:08] <awalton__> and I'm too lazy to script it all out
[10:08] <scapor> lee__: to install the driver ?
[10:08] <lee__> eh yeah or the xgl
[10:09] <scapor> lee__: apt-get install xserver-xgl
[10:09] <scapor> lee__: but really, it seems like you'd better first learn a bit more before trying such things maybe :)
[10:09] <lee__> 13 permissions denied lol
[10:10] <lee__> eh wait i suduod it
[10:11] <lee__> to ate initiated the string
[10:11] <lee__> eh its ok..iam toying with things see what breaks an what dont
[10:12] <lee__> oooooooooo
[10:12] <lee__> i got a notice...not sure if its good or bad
[10:13] <lee__> eh can i cut and paste the notice i got?
[10:13] <scapor> If it's not more then 2 lines
[10:13] <scapor> otherwise you should use a pastebin
[10:14] <lee__> eh ok
[10:14] <lee__> The Xgl server will now be started automatically next time you login.  It is no longer necessary to use any special X session to start Xgl,
[10:14] <lee__> ok there 2 lines
[10:14] <penguincentral> hi
[10:15] <awalton__> sounds good to me.
[10:15] <awalton__> log out, log back in, see if it works.
[10:15] <lee__> yeppers if you don't se mee i broke lol
[10:15] <scapor> that's normal
[10:15] <scapor> should work now
[10:16] <lee__> but fisrt how do i make sure i come back here lol
[10:16] <lee__> eh ill figure it out lol
[10:19] <tech0007> hi all
[10:20] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty?
[10:20] <flo> Hi! I'm since today's update nautilus uses 100% CPU, killing it or reboot doesn't help... any suggestions ?
[10:21] <tech0007> flo...that's normal...that happens almost everyday...it should last only for a few minutes
[10:22] <scapor> tech0007: how come this can be normal ?
[10:22] <flo> tech0007: ok we'll see also my uptime is 30 min now...
[10:22] <awalton__> that doesn't sound anything close to normal
[10:22] <awalton__> anything weird in your Desktop directory?
[10:22] <tech0007> scapor....when i open gnome-monitor...its gnome-update or somethin
[10:23] <scapor> The filemanager is something a user is firstly confronted with so this is some showstopper imho
[10:23] <flo> tech0007: nono, it's nautilus itself
[10:24] <scapor> flo: is it on a specific directory opening ?
[10:24] <scapor> or just on your desktop ?
[10:24] <scapor> (I had a bug with a dir full of videos that never got fixed I think)
[10:24] <flo> scapor: it's at 100% from initial login
[10:24] <awalton__> could be nautilus's thumbnailer, I've seen it do screwy things and eat up a bunch of cycles before.. my immediate thing to jump to is something in your desktop directory that's causing the thumbnailer to crash or act silly.
[10:24] <scapor> it could be a problem with a faulty thumbnailer
[10:25] <scapor> flo: did you add some files to your home or desktop directory of a specific type ?
[10:25] <awalton__> try this as an experiment, move you Desktop to Desktop-backup or something and make a new desktop folder
[10:25] <awalton__> and then restart nautilus
[10:25] <scapor> like a movie or a picture or st ?
[10:26] <flo> scapor: Wow you're the man ! I had a rather large svg file on my desktop, deleted it via cmd line, killed nautilus an dall is fine ;)
[10:26] <awalton__> tada.
[10:26] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.  any idea?
[10:26] <scapor> flo: you better create a bugreport for it
[10:26] <flo> However this should not happen no matter what files you put anywhere
[10:27] <flo> jep
[10:27] <awalton__> this is true
[10:27] <scapor> if you still know where to get a copy from that svg file, send it along with the report
[10:27] <awalton__> the whole nautilus-thumbnailer code could really use a good reworking
[10:27] <kidalabama> hello
[10:27] <flo> i will, i still have it inside a zip file
[10:27] <kidalabama> i have got problem
[10:27] <kidalabama> with movie player
[10:27] <scapor> flo: great! attach it to the bugreport :)
[10:27] <Seeker`> kidalabama: what problem do you have?
[10:28] <rafael__> hello. i wanted to know if i install the ubuntu gutsy the final version everything on my laptop will work... because it works very well on the ubuntu feisty
[10:28] <kidalabama> videos viewing very black
[10:28] <tech0007> flo...there's an option to set max size of file for thumbnail..i think it's 5mb default
[10:28] <scapor> rafael__: normally it should if there are no regressions
[10:28] <kidalabama> Seeker`: videos viewing very black
[10:28] <scapor> rafael__: but noone can say this for sure I guess
[10:28] <Seeker`> have you checked the contrast / brightness
[10:29] <rafael__> scapor, i just ask, because i tried the beta version before, and i have problems with sound and Internet...
[10:29] <lee__> ok Iam back lol
[10:29] <rafael__> scapor, didnt work :(
[10:29] <lee__> its doing soething funky lol
[10:29] <scapor> rafael__: that's bad :|
[10:29] <lee__> I have undlerlined words
[10:30] <lee__> and he double toothpics bad lettering
[10:30] <lee__> lol
[10:30] <rafael__> yes
[10:30] <rafael__> scapor, im worried because i tried the beta and didnt work right
[10:30] <rafael__> =\
[10:30] <scapor> rafael__: I'm gonna try the beta right now
[10:30] <scapor> rafael__: did you report these problems ?
[10:30] <rafael__> scapor, good luck
[10:30] <AnRkey> i am having problems on more than one box running intel graphics
[10:30] <lee__> eh evry other line in hypertext is kinda faded
[10:30] <kidalabama> Seeker`: with totem movie player
[10:30] <wubunt2> can i download the rc even now?
[10:31] <rafael__> scapor, i dont think its necessary, i will wait the final version, possible they fixed it already
[10:31] <scapor> wubunt2: not yet
[10:31] <scapor> rafael__: or not if they didn't know about it :|
[10:31] <scapor> rafael__: let's hope for the best ;)
[10:31] <lee__> Me I am jsut toying with things
[10:31] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.  any idea?
[10:31] <Seeker`> kidalabama: preferences->display
[10:31] <rafael__> scapor, i couldnt report on my gutsy since i didnt have internet. but i will if i find some next time
[10:31] <lee__> ok now for the tset
[10:31] <rafael__> scapor, i hope so
[10:31] <rafael__> :)
[10:31] <Seeker`> kidalabama: then change the brightness / contrast, see if it makes a difference
[10:31] <kidalabama> Seeker`:  very thank you
[10:32] <lee__> ati catlyst has been dissabled
[10:32] <kidalabama> Seeker`:  yes now very good
[10:32] <wubunt2> thanx - i'm trying to get it later. when?
[10:32] <hazelkid> why no ati catlyst?
[10:32] <Seeker`> kidalabama: cool :)
[10:32] <kidalabama> Seeker`:  what is deinterlace ?
[10:32] <lee__> woa
[10:33] <scapor> kidalabama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing
[10:33] <scapor> :)
[10:33] <lee__> I treid to cahnge form the screen and got a bulgy looking thingy
[10:33] <scapor> lee__: you seem like .. impressed or something ?
[10:33] <scapor> haha
[10:33] <tech0007> !deinterlace
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deinterlace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <scapor> lee__: not really ;)
[10:33] <awalton__> haha, that's a cool bot.
[10:33] <lee__> lol well I toying around lol iam surpiresd
[10:34] <lee__> last tiem i got black screen of death
[10:34] <lee__> this time i didnt
[10:35] <lee__> ok I got it into 1024by 68
[10:35] <kidalabama> Seeker`: very thank yo
[10:35] <lee__> eh make taht 768\
[10:36] <lee__> its really slow to respond though
[10:37] <lee__> hmm i need 85 mhz
[10:37] <lee__> ok going for death now
[10:38] <lee__> going to enable the ati drivers
[10:38] <lee__> death or nt i hitting the hay lol
[10:38] <lee__> night
[10:39] <chx> so, today is RC :) ?
[10:40] <scapor> it's today but not yet there
[10:40] <tech0007> i compiled drm and openchrome xserver for my X...will I have problems upgrading to gutsy? i'm on feisty.. any idea?
[10:40] <scapor> I'm right now installing the daily of yesterday as I couldn't wait :p
[10:41] <Seeker`> what needs to be done before it is RC?
[10:41] <scapor> uploading it I guess ;)
[10:41] <Seeker`> fair enough
[10:42] <chx> I think i will get, well, gutsy and install it on my laptop :)
[10:43] <avatar_> RC is already uploaded
[10:43] <avatar_> it has just to appear in the rigth place :)
[10:45] <Seeker`> how many people here are actually involved in the release etc?
[10:45] <MikeDX> cant wait to try it
[10:45] <Seeker`> i suspect everyone running gutsy already has the RC from updates this morning
[10:45] <chx> avatar_: so if i aptitude dist-upgrade now i will get an RC?
[10:46] <jmg> chx: yes
[10:46] <avatar_> RC iso's were generated yesterday
[10:46] <chx> ah
[10:46] <TheInfinity> hmm
[10:47] <avatar_> so if you apt-get update today you are more current than RC :)
[10:47] <TheInfinity> has somebody an idea why intel hda does not work here?
[10:47] <Seeker`> TheInfinity: I had a problem with that - was missing a package (can't remember which one though)
[10:49] <macogw> are the RC .iso's out yet?
[10:50] <tech0007> what's RC?
[10:50] <awalton__> release candidate
[10:50] <Eq|work> release candidate
[10:50] <awalton__> Eq|work jynx
[10:50] <Eq|work> TheInfinity : what sound chipset? (intel hda has a number of different ones)
[10:50] <Eq|work> awalton__ : pfft :P
[10:51] <awalton__> :D
[10:51] <tech0007> so its not beta anymore?
 RC iso's were generated yesterday
[10:51] <Eq|work> that would tend to imply not
[10:51] <Seeker`> TheInfinity: what do you get if you do "lsmod | grep snd"
[10:51] <MikeDX> well, i suppose technically an rc is a beta
[10:51] <Eq|work> no
[10:51] <tech0007> what?
[10:51] <TheInfinity> Eq|work: the one in mbp rev3
[10:52] <MikeDX> since its for people to find the last bugs before it goes final
[10:52] <MikeDX> rc1 is almost never the final
[10:52] <tech0007> yeah,..i thought it's not due til 17th?
[10:52] <ratpoison> but it's pretty close, unless something drastic happens
[10:54] <macogw> Eq|work: well how long after the iso is made does it take for them to put online
[10:55] <macogw> so does this mean framebuffer won't be working at time of release?
[10:56] <macogw> tech0007: there's nothing going on on the 17th.  today (the 11th) is marked as RC Day in the schedule
[10:57] <MikeDX> oooh does gutsy have the x-server framebuffer project?
[10:58] <macogw> i dont know but the framebuffer modules are not loaded in initrd so there's no working framebuffer, just blank tty
[10:59] <tech0007> macogw...thanks for the info
[10:59] <awalton__> ..that sounds pretty seriously messed.
[10:59] <macogw>  its an easy fix too
[10:59] <macogw> just hasn't been applied
[10:59] <macogw> i think it's along the lines of 1 or 2 lines in an initramfs or initrd config file
[10:59] <awalton__> maybe it's just an oversight?
[11:00] <macogw> there's a bug filed on it
[11:00] <tech0007> macogw...i compiled drm and openchrome xserver...will i have problems upgrading to gutsy...i'm thinking it will overwrite the binaries for my xserver.
[11:00] <macogw> it shows how to turn framebuffer back on
[11:00] <macogw> yours should be in /usr/local
[11:00] <awalton__> well hopefully it should be fixed
[11:00] <macogw> gutsy's would go in /usr/
[11:00] <macogw> as of today it's not
[11:01] <awalton__> when does the RC officially ship today?
[11:01] <macogw> dunno
[11:01] <awalton__> hmph
[11:01] <macogw> as soon as it does though i'm grabbing the torrent and downloading it so i can seed
[11:02] <macogw> oh this apt-get upgrade is going to take all night
[11:02] <macogw> its measuring download speed in bytes again :(
[11:02] <awalton__> :'(
[11:03] <tech0007> :(
[11:03] <macogw> maybe i should go wired :-/
[11:03] <macogw> ive seen the fiber optics here get like 50k/s before though too
[11:03] <awalton__> only 50k/s?
[11:03] <macogw> and with wired i run the risk of disconnecting if the download speed is too high (sky2 module dies)
[11:03] <macogw> yeah
[11:03] <awalton__> wow, where are you?
[11:04] <macogw> sometimes id get 1500k/s
[11:04] <macogw> and sometimes id get 50k/s
[11:04] <macogw> washington, dc
[11:04] <macogw> at the most expensive school in the country
[11:04] <awalton__> scary..
[11:04] <tech0007> can i request for a CD? i did it for feisty? O:-)
[11:04] <macogw> 3 blocks from the IMF and 5 blocks from the White House
[11:04] <awalton__> maybe they just have some weird throttling rules in place?
[11:04] <macogw> idk
[11:05] <awalton__> tech0007 shipit.ubuntu.com they won't send you an RC, but you can get the release gutsy when it's ready.
[11:05] <macogw> they monitor your bandwidth usage, but you have to use like 250GB of bandwidth before they do anything
[11:05] <macogw> there's a known bug on my wired driver where it just dies if you have high throughput
[11:05] <macogw> tech0007: shipit takes about a month to 6 wks
[11:07] <tech0007> i got feisty after a week..i'm requesting one right now..it says they will send me once its released
[11:08] <tech0007> what do i need to install 64-bit ed? 64-bit cpu? board?
[11:08] <awalton__> if you have an AMD64-compatible processor you can install the 64-bit version
[11:08] <pvandewyngaerde> then you wont have easy flash
[11:09] <tech0007> awalton...ok
[11:09] <sbucatino> macogw: mm i am in italy and mmm 4000ks :D always
[11:09] <macogw> pvandewyngaerde: there's a wrapper to make flash work with 64bit firefox
[11:09] <sbucatino> macogw: mm i am in italy and mmm 4000k/s :D always
[11:09] <pvandewyngaerde> i know, but i use gnash
[11:10] <macogw> sbucatino: yeah interwebs in the us are overpricedly slow as compared to parts of europe and asia
[11:10] <macogw> pvandewyngaerde: is that 32bit only? if so, that's silly since it's FOSS
[11:11] <sbucatino> macogw: wifi or what?
[11:12] <macogw> sbucatino: it's $20 a month for *dialup* and like $60 i think for cable internet which is usually like...idk 600kb/s?
[11:12] <macogw> im using wireless right now, yes, but that's because there isn't a good linux driver for wired
[11:13] <macogw> i can't stay connected with a wired connection if i'm downloading anything.  i have to use wireless to download
[11:13] <chx> I have fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr can I use 64 bits?
[11:14] <tech0007> chx...what's all that?
[11:14] <awalton__> that's the CPUs feature flags
[11:15] <sbucatino> macogw: i pay 33-34 for telephone and adsl then i i have bought a wifirouter..and so
[11:15] <tech0007> :-$
[11:15] <awalton__> what does the model: line say tech0007
[11:15] <awalton__> *model name:
[11:16] <chx> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU      L2500  @ 1.83GHz
[11:16] <tech0007> how will i know?
[11:16] <awalton__> oh my bad
[11:16] <awalton__> sorry.
[11:16] <chx> tech0007: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:16] <awalton__> yeah, the core duo doesn't support 64-bit
[11:16] <chx> it's a very awkward CPU that's why I listed the cpuflags instead of model name
[11:16] <awalton__> I thought that was a pentium-m based proc.
[11:17] <tech0007> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm up
[11:17] <chx> my googling says i want "lm" in flags
[11:17] <chx> so no for me and no for tech0007
[11:17] <awalton__> tech's is probably a pentium 4?
[11:17] <tech0007> :-/
[11:17] <tech0007> yup
[11:17] <chx> someone should wizz up a simple app that makes sense of this line
[11:17] <macogw> you need a "core 2" not just "core" for 64bit
[11:18] <awalton__> chx: cpuid
[11:18] <macogw> dont know *why* anyone wants 64bit unless it's their graphical rendering powerhouse workstation
[11:18] <chx> we are restless and want to squeeze out the last drop of juice of the CPU :P
[11:18] <awalton__> *shrug* some people just love the bleeding edge
[11:19] <chx> ahhh cpuid is useful
[11:19] <chx> yes.
[11:19] <macogw> what the heck takes advantage of that many bits?
[11:19] <tech0007> macogw...can i skip xserver update when i do the gutsy upgrade?
[11:19] <awalton__> indeed it is chx
[11:19] <awalton__> macogw long number libraries
[11:19] <tech0007> coz i think i installed the openchrome binaries in /usr...i jst followed the directions
[11:19] <chx> thouigh I bought a backwards laptop, just a CF-Y5 when the Y7 is out exactly because the Y7 uses Core 2 Duo which eats more battery and no thanks I do not need that.
[11:19] <awalton__> that's off the top of my head
[11:20] <macogw> for insane graphics rendering or extraordinarily precise scientific and mathematical computations, 64bits of precision could be used.  what normal person does math involving numbers in the range of 2^8x10^56?
[11:20] <awalton__> eh, I would have went with the core 2 for the 40% performance jump for a 20% battery reduction.
[11:21] <awalton__> haha.. well I did last year on a daily basis..
[11:21] <macogw> O_o are you a physicist?
[11:21] <awalton__> cryptology.
[11:21] <macogw> ah
[11:21] <awalton__> fun stuff.
[11:21] <macogw> are you *sure* you're normal?
[11:21] <chx> I am a PHP developer and *surely*  I need 64 precision for my CMS work :P
[11:22] <awalton__> I think so
[11:22] <chx> the only reason is I need an FPU is, I believe, compiz :)
[11:22] <jmg> haha
[11:22] <macogw> my knowledge of encryption: if you use too good of it, like 4096+ bit, the government comes knocking
[11:22] <macogw> chx: what's fpu?
[11:22] <chx> and the occasional HD movie...
[11:23] <awalton__> floating point unit
[11:23] <jmg> macogw: where?
[11:23] <macogw> jmg: usa
[11:23] <jmg> awalton__: i also work on crypto
[11:23] <chx> macogw: come on, even in the USA they stopped that many years ago
[11:23] <macogw> 4096bit?
[11:23] <jmg> yeah, clinton did
[11:23] <jmg> removed all restrictions on crypto
[11:23] <macogw> i know you can now export very high encryption levels
[11:23] <awalton__> thank goodness
[11:24] <chx> I do remember the time when PGP was exported ... on printed paper if I remember correctly
[11:24] <macogw> but if your communications are in the form of NSA-style-encrypted packets and you don't work for the NSA, they get suspicious
[11:24] <macogw> chx: yes, bound in a book
[11:25] <jmg> macogw: oh sure, if you were making suite a calls im sure they would send out the unmarked helicopters
[11:25] <chx> I was laughing so hard when the PGPi project came around
[11:25] <jmg> but maybe you forget the NSA provided suite B so americans could secure their private communications
[11:25] <jmg> :)
[11:26] <jmg> (thats probably because they can break it all in realtime)
[11:26] <macogw> heh
[11:26] <jmg> seriously
[11:26] <jmg> you can see the amount of heat put out by the puzzle palace
[11:26] <awalton__> I dunno about realtime, but I'm sure they can break it
[11:26] <jmg> in the weather system
[11:26] <jmg> :)
[11:27] <reverseblade> I am getting frequent freezes
[11:27] <macogw> well if you use normal levels of encryption like 128, 256, 512, 1024.....theyre not *that* high and so theyd just assume you're a private person and ignore it
[11:27] <chx> moev to the south
[11:27] <chx> I did that , I am in Malaga currently and planningto go to Eilat in Nov or Dec
[11:27] <reverseblade> When I am using nvidia drivers I am getting frequent freezes does anyone know why ?
[11:27] <chx> I can't stand freezes
[11:27] <jmg> macogw: it takes cryptanalysis to even tell the key length.
[11:27] <macogw> there is a point though, where you just look at someone and say "you HAVE to be hiding something"
[11:27] <macogw> oh really?
[11:27] <jmg> yeah
[11:28] <awalton__> yeah it does.
[11:28] <jmg> if thats all your varyung
[11:28] <jmg> and its a symmetric cipher
[11:28] <awalton__> its not like you can just look at some data and say it's encrypted..
[11:28] <awalton__> that's the idea
[11:28] <jmg> the key length is secret
[11:28] <macogw> ok then im dumb and so is whoever told me that
[11:28] <jmg> macogw: marijuana?
[11:28] <jmg> :)
[11:28] <awalton__> hahaha
[11:28] <awalton__> the ganja told me
[11:28] <jmg> :p
[11:28] <tech0007> been great talkin w/ u guyz..gtg
[11:28] <JimQode> Gutsy test reporting page iso.qa.stgraber.org does not work!
[11:29] <macogw> i *think* Spec told me that
[11:29] <jmg> JimQode: its overloaded and crashed
[11:29] <macogw> and he's at Open Minds in Indiana
[11:30] <JimQode> jmg, wow that means it's not very important to enter my test results. there must be thousands :)
[11:30] <jmg> macogw: what is known, is pretty much every single communication can be intercepted point and click now. but first they have to have a reason to snoop
[11:30] <awalton__> or so we hope
[11:30] <jmg> keyword filters cant detect crypto
[11:31] <jmg> those Narus things are scary
[11:31] <macogw> keyword filters?
[11:31] <macogw> narus?
[11:31] <Stevethepirate> y0
[11:32] <jmg> macogw: well we pretty much think they filter for keywords like
[11:32] <awalton__> narus is the company that built those router-room deep-packet-inspectors
[11:32] <Stevethepirate> gutsy crashed for me whil update.... now i tried a dpkg --configure -a
[11:32] <jmg> bomb, terrorist etc
[11:32] <macogw> jmg: oh like in the bourne ultimatum
[11:32] <macogw> when they're on the phone
[11:32] <jmg> or ones that terrorists would actually use
[11:32] <jmg> yeah
[11:32] <awalton__> very similar yearh
[11:32] <Stevethepirate> since all the packages were downloaded, and it gives me a acpid dependancy error
[11:32] <macogw> supposedly some phone companies really do that
[11:32] <jmg> yes its filmed as a documentary
[11:32] <awalton__> at&t really does
[11:32] <jmg> that is a known known
[11:32] <macogw> if so, i wouldnt be surprised if verizon does
[11:32] <jmg> as1 is tapped
[11:33] <jmg> uunet is tapped
[11:33] <jmg> worldcom
[11:33] <jmg> all have dcsnet routers
[11:33] <awalton__> your world. tapped. AT&T.
[11:33] <jmg> cisco
[11:33] <MikeDX> you americans...
[11:34] <MikeDX> first you vote for george bush, then you say you didnt
[11:34] <awalton__> pfft, it doesn't matter what us americans vote
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> sighs.. is this #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu+offtopic ?
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> !offtopic
[11:34] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> thought so
[11:34] <Stevethepirate> so, can someone help me fix my rather urgent problem
[11:34] <MikeDX> not now, no
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[11:35] <macogw> MikeDX: i wasnt old enough at the time, so i swear i didn't
[11:35] <jmg> MikeDX: dont you mean
[11:35] <jmg> first you vote for al gore
[11:35] <jmg> then diebold changes your vote to bush
[11:35] <jmg> ?
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> Watch the documentary "Hacking Democracy"
[11:35] <awalton__> hahaha, so sad, so true.
[11:35] <MikeDX> im not saying anything as this isnt #ubuntu+offtopic......
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> yeah.. diebold <<
[11:35] <Stevethepirate> luls
[11:36] <jmg> you know
[11:36] <jmg> theres not much the national guard could do about a million people with hammers
[11:36] <jmg> if you all went to washington
[11:36] <jmg> you could knock the place down
[11:36] <Stevethepirate> one nuke
[11:36] <Stevethepirate> all gone
[11:36] <awalton__> sure there is, haven't you seen that new pain-wave weapon?
[11:36] <MikeDX> death ray
[11:36] <awalton__> ready, aim, fire.
[11:37] <Stevethepirate> americans < *, since they chose Bush
[11:37] <jmg> oh yeah like they're going to davy crockett washington
[11:37] <awalton__> million people hit the ground screaming in agony
[11:37] <jmg> as funny as that would be
[11:37] <Stevethepirate> I mean.. did you guys see that digg article .. about one of his speeches
[11:37] <jmg> awalton__: millimeter wave guns?
[11:37] <chx> indeed i can't really understand why people are not in masses on the streets of Washington from day to day
[11:37] <Stevethepirate> it was uploaded to the UN
[11:37] <jmg> awalton__: i think you can reflect the beams
[11:37] <sbucatino> ehm ehm who can see this and would tell if it is understandble?
[11:37] <sbucatino> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIa3xw2s3w
[11:37] <jmg> chx: apathy
[11:37] <jmg> chx: and the fact they'd en masse be declared enemy combatants
[11:37] <awalton__> with what? everyone's going to have to walk around in 3 inch armor, or a mm of lead..
[11:38] <Stevethepirate> it still had "Written by ...." and all the long words were written out phoenitcaly
[11:38] <awalton__> it'd still take a lot more in the way of preparation...
[11:38] <jmg> awalton__: also those weapons are prototypes
[11:38] <Stevethepirate> lol.. www.sickipedia.org >>
[11:38] <Stevethepirate> some of the bush jokes are imba
[11:38] <awalton__> jmg: the only reason they're prototypes is we haven't found a good reason to use them yet.
[11:39] <jmg> awalton__: that category of crowd control has been around for ages, but no dictator has used it
[11:39] <jmg> ever heard of a subsonic driver?
[11:39] <Stevethepirate> Yes, they do work..
[11:39] <Stevethepirate> you can simulate the effect with lots of speakers
[11:39] <Stevethepirate> that operate in the > 20khz range
[11:40] <jmg> yup
[11:40] <awalton__> I just hope it never comes to needing to do that..
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> outside human hearing as a single frequncy..
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> but rapes you.
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> jmg: we simulated some at my dads work..
[11:40] <jmg> awalton__: i imagine if it did come to that
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> got 19.2 kW of sound equipment
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> and tried it out
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> one dude vomitted
[11:40] <awalton__> and loosened your bowels.
[11:40] <jmg> the rebels would get some antirad RPGs gifted by their friend hugo chavez
[11:40] <Stevethepirate> was awesomeness
[11:41] <awalton__> hah, I don't even want to think about another us revolution -_-
[11:41] <jmg> awalton__: hopefully it wont come to that, if al gore wins the nobel prize
[11:42] <awalton__> hahaha...
[11:42] <macogw> chx: are you french?
[11:42] <jmg> i cant wait to read condi's book when this is over
[11:42] <Stevethepirate> sighs..
[11:42] <macogw> jmg: ...for inventing the internet
[11:42] <Stevethepirate> anyone here read Trudi Canavan?
[11:43] <awalton__> I want to read Powell's book: "Why I was a Scapegoat"
[11:43] <jmg> awalton__: have you heard of Fortunate Son?
[11:43] <awalton__> nope
[11:43] <macogw> as in CCR?
[11:43] <jmg> it was a book that got banned
[11:43] <jmg> and all copies destroye
[11:43] <jmg> d
[11:43] <jmg> about george bush
[11:43] <Stevethepirate> I think i have an ebook of that..
[11:43] <Stevethepirate> seriously..
[11:44] <macogw> like that ever happens
[11:44] <awalton__> oh wonderful, we're burning books.
[11:44] <macogw> *someone* always saves a copy
[11:44] <Stevethepirate> Nazi regime 1010
[11:44] <macogw> it's like...a rule
[11:44] <sbucatino> plz could someone tell me if this video is understandble http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIa3xw2s3w
[11:44] <jmg> macogw: it got leaked to the administration before it got published and they got a court order to prevent publication
[11:44] <Stevethepirate> I would.. but my X has phailed due to gutsy fucking out...
[11:44] <awalton__> it's a rule of the internet: rule #106, put something on the internet, google will always have it.
[11:45] <macogw> heh yes
[11:45] <macogw> and if google doesnt, the internet archive does
[11:45] <jmg> macogw: try and find Salmon Days, the internet tv series from 2002
[11:46] <Axiom> Any good Game Developer's in here?
[11:46] <Tm_T> er?
[11:46] <chx> macogw: Currently I consider myself without a nationality. I am originally from Hungary, I travel Europe while waiting from my Canadian PR visa.
[11:46] <awalton__> developers. not posessive. /grammar-nazi
[11:46] <Axiom> Private Message me, if you are a good GGame Developer please.
[11:46] <AnRkey> Jordan_U, I have fixed my problem with my intel graphics by booting the previous kernel
[11:46] <jmg> developers developers developers
[11:47] <jmg> developers developers developers developers
[11:47] <AnRkey> shut up balmer
[11:47] <Tm_T> jmg: you can stop now
[11:48] <AnRkey> :P
[11:48] <macogw> chx: oh ok.  we were studying french gov in class last week and the prof said the distrust of their gov is what leads the french to protest so much.  they figure that going through the proper channels wont work because of corruptsion
[11:48] <awalton__> at least the french are willing to protest
[11:48] <AnRkey> macogw, much like our south african gov
[11:49] <AnRkey> our president thinks hiv has nothing to do with aids
[11:49] <chx> macogw: corruption is one of the reasons I am leaving the country i was unfortunately born in
[11:49] <awalton__> that's funny, so does ours.
[11:49] <AnRkey> rofl
[11:49] <AnRkey> rock on is what i say
[11:50] <sbucatino> !ot
[11:50] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:50] <bazhang> Previous problems for K3b and Konversation not working after a short period with Compiz-Fusion are resolved with turning c-f off and then on again.
[12:00] <Arafangion> Hey, does Upstart come with its dependencies by default? Because I downloaded it and checked the various INSTALL/README/etc files, then did the ./configure && make && make install dance (with a few other flags).
[12:14] <sirrus> How can I make audacious play .ogg and .mp3 internet radios? It keeps complaining that either codecs aren't present, or aren't enabled. I installed both the bad and ugly variants of gstreamer
[12:15] <awalton__> do you not have libmad installed?
[12:15] <awalton__> audacious doesn't use gstreamer
[12:16] <sirrus> It should play .ogg files fine, shouldn't it?
[12:16] <sirrus> because it complains even when using an .ogg stream
[12:17] <sirrus> btw libmad is installed
[12:17] <awalton__> hmph
[12:18] <awalton__> do any other players stream correctly or is it just audacious?
[12:18] <sirrus> it's just audacious - both amarok and rhytmbox play the streams fine
[12:19] <awalton__> weird, but at least that narrows the field..
[12:19] <sirrus> this might be a gutsy-related bug, as I had no problem playing these streams on feisty
[12:20] <bazhang> streaming radio works fine here too--maybe an Audacious problem
[12:20] <sirrus> probably
[12:20] <awalton__> you should probably file a bug with them on launchpad
[12:21] <sirrus> anyway, thanks a lot for your input
[12:21] <awalton__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacious/
[12:21] <sirrus> awalton__: Yeah, I'll do that
[12:21] <awalton__> sorry I'm not much help other than that
[12:23] <sirrus> no problem - as long as I can play the streams, I'm fine. :) Thanks for your time anyway.
[12:23] <awalton__> always welcome.
[12:31] <jo1> whenever i leave my pc alone for a while or manually 'suspend' the session, when i try to log back in i get a yellow msg at the top "   Linu" and cannot get back in without a hard reboot - any help?
[12:33] <jscinoz> Hey guys, have any of you guys ever used an application callled Falcon Repository builder
[12:40] <compwiz18> jscinoz, yes
[12:41] <jo1> whenever i leave my pc alone for a while or manually 'suspend' the session, when i try to log back in i get a yellow msg at the top "   Linu" and cannot get back in without a hard reboot - any help?
[12:41] <compwiz18> is anyone else having issues with random programs not taking keyboard input? like they work for a while, and then they suddenly stop responding to keyboard input, even though mouse input works fine...
[12:41] <jscinoz> compwiz, can you run "falcon scan" correctly? mine throws a bunch of errors, i'll paste bin them just now
[12:41] <sbucatino> jo1: your bios are not so much supported
[12:42] <bazhang> compwiz18 yes, using compiz-fusion K3b.
[12:42] <sbucatino> jo1: is not supported :D
[12:42] <compwiz18> bazhang, I'm using gnome with metacity
[12:42] <jo1> sbucatino: lol not good, how can i fix it?
[12:42] <jscinoz> my laptop does a similar thing to jo1, the yellow Linux message, but it then resumes corectly, alibeit with super slow hardware accel
[12:42] <bazhang> totally unrelated then
[12:43] <compwiz18> jscinoz, ok, give me the link
[12:43] <jscinoz> compwiz18, heres the error "falcon scan" throws http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40244/
[12:43] <jo1> jscinoz: how do you get back in? mine just does nothing after that black screen yellow msg?
[12:43] <Tominator> hi
[12:43] <bazhang> hi
[12:43] <Tominator> does somebody know when the rc comes out? :)
[12:43] <jscinoz> jo1, mine just continues resuming after the Yellow linux message,
[12:43] <jscinoz> jo1, but hardware accel is very slow after resuming
[12:44] <compwiz18> jscinoz, weird error, I have no idea what the problem is, sorry
[12:44] <jscinoz> like unusably slow
[12:44] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:44] <jo1> jscinoz: how are you managing it? do you just end up rebooting anyway or just carry on as is?
[12:45] <sbucatino> jo1: EH it's not so easy have you a laptop?
[12:45] <bazhang> RC should be today 10/11
[12:45] <jo1> sbucatino: yes a compaq? big problem?
[12:45] <sbucatino> jo1: i have a solution maybe (maybe) but i need of sometime to find out
[12:46] <jscinoz> jo1, i end up rebooting, as my system is running compiz the whole thing is too slow to use after a resume
[12:46] <sbucatino> jo1: and you think is in italian so i must translate...you must be patient
[12:46] <jo1> sbucatino: erm i need to pop out for a little while, how can i get back in touch with you?
[12:46] <cyrano> Hi. I'm having touble with Open Office... is this a known bug of the last update?
[12:46] <cyrano> or is it me or something i have done...
[12:46] <jo1> sbucatino: i dont mind waiting or giving you an email address?
[12:47] <compwiz18> cyrano, what is your problem exactly?
[12:47] <sbucatino> jo1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:47] <cyrano> the splash screen shows up and then it just hangs
[12:47] <cyrano> i get the titlebar only and have to forcequit
[12:48] <jo1> i will email you now, please send me the solution by reply, many thanks to you
[12:48] <sbucatino> jo1: i repeat maybe it will work i am not sure !
[12:49] <jo1> no problem, still worth trying to learn
[12:49] <cyrano> I tried to run openoffice in terminal and this is my output:
[12:49] <jscinoz> hey guys, im trying to create a repository using falcon, however when i run "falcon scan" it crashes, here is the output http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/40244/ any idea how i can fix this?
[12:49] <cyrano> X-Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[12:49] <cyrano>         Major opcode: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)
[12:49] <cyrano>         Resource ID:  0x4c00538
[12:49] <cyrano>         Serial No:    8558 (8558)
[12:49] <cyrano> These errors are reported asynchronously,
[12:49] <cyrano> set environment variable SAL_SYNCHRONIZE to 1 to help debugging
[12:49] <cyrano> sorry for posting in channel. forgot the pastebin
[12:50] <compwiz18> jscinoz, btw you might try posting the bug report at that url
[12:50] <jscinoz> I will
[12:51] <compwiz18> this keyboard thing is annoying me though
[12:51] <compwiz18> the weird thing is, in pidgin, the animated keyboard icons animates when I type, stops when I don't, even though no text goes in the box (this is using the custom status box)
[12:54] <jscinoz> compwiz18, im quite sure that icon is shown when the other person is typing, not you.
[12:55] <cyrano> compwiz18: can you help me? I'm at work and need office to work (using abiword as an replacement right now
[12:55] <jscinoz> compiz18, found a fix for the bug i had at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/falcon/+bug/124154
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124154 in falcon "falcon failed when doing a scan" [Undecided,Fix released]
[12:59] <stefg> Do we have a release candidate iso to test yet ?
[01:00] <compwiz18> jscinoz, good
[01:00] <compwiz18> cyrano, I can't help you, sorry :( I don't know much about open office
[01:01] <darkzero> morning all
[01:02] <bazhang> morning
[01:02] <Demize> Hi
[01:02] <jscinoz> compwiz, argh it worked the first time, but the error came back and the same fix doesnt work now >_<
[01:03] <darkzero> So anyone here have problems with sound while play a cd or playing a video file?
[01:04] <darkzero> when playing mp3, it sounded like a bass in the background
[01:06] <bazhang> darkzero have you checked the mixer controls?
[01:06] <darkzero> sound problem also appear when playing mkv and ogn video file which the sound work on the left side
[01:07] <darkzero> yeah
[01:07] <bazhang> darkzero in kde it's called kmix; not sure about gnome--you can adjust speaker balance, pcm and so on.
[01:08] <bastid_raZor> speaking of sound.. i just noticed my sound card now claims to be unconfigured after gutsy upgrade
[01:08] <darkzero> any subjection on mkv and ogn video sound
[01:12] <Demize> I'm upgrading now!
[01:12] <Demize> Bye.
[01:13] <bazhang> darkzero I don't know if those problems precisely, but a large number of folks have been reporting issues from very faint sound, no sound, and no sound card recognized--which driver are you using? alsa/oss/other?
[01:14] <bazhang> darkzero I had the no sound issue until the latest kernel upgrade, and then they went away--don't know the precise reason; sorry can't be of more assistance..
[01:14] <darkzero> well, the mix didn't help
[01:15] <jscinoz> gah are there any programs similar to falcon for building a repository, falcon just wont work
[01:16] <maxb_> Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what else happens in the magic upgrader tool, compared to an "apt-get dist-upgrade", or is it just a case of "use the source" ?
[01:16] <bazhang> darkzero you'll likely have better luck if you come back in awhile--when the couple of sound experts show up. Cheers!
[01:16] <darkzero> lol
[01:17] <bazhang> and one arrives as I speak..
[01:18] <darkzero> so, gutsy rc1 releasing today
[01:18] <compwiz18> really?
[01:18] <bazhang> supposed to be
[01:19] <compwiz18> cool
[01:19] <maxb_> Does the absence of manual upgrade instructions from the "GutsyUpgrades" wiki page mean upgrading with apt-get is even less recommended that it was for previous releases?
[01:20] <darkzero> they have a week left and hope they fix all the bug before release next week
[01:20] <bazhang> ;}
[01:21] <darkzero> unless the they will delay the release for November
[01:21] <compwiz18> I should go file a bug report for my typing problem I guess
[01:24] <bushwakko> my sound doesn't work on my macbook pro c2d... modprobe snd_hda_intel says: [  808.102471]  HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -16
[01:27] <sbucatino> bushwakko: lspci
[01:27] <sbucatino> !paste
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[01:27] <darkzero> seem like develope got their hands full
[01:27] <bazhang> bushwakko  check out www.ubuntu-tutorials.com  the guy there is installing k/ubuntu on his mac notebook, and will definitely know about it. Cheers!
[01:27] <cyclonut> any tips on random kernel panics?
[01:27] <bazhang> gotta go. bye!
[01:28] <bushwakko> it worked with the 22 kernel when i followed this thing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[01:28] <bushwakko> but that doesn't work on my 2.6.23 kernel
[01:28] <compwiz18> I found something in my syslog related to an iwconfig bug:
[01:29] <compwiz18> Oct 11 10:04:05 linux kernel: [ 4909.813152]  Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at<PHONE_NUMBER>000018 RIP:
[01:29] <compwiz18> does that look like something I should file a bug report on?
[01:30] <bastid_raZor> how does one downgrade back from gutsy?
[01:30] <compwiz18> go to cdimage.ubuntu.com and click feisty :)
[01:31] <compwiz18> there isn't a trick to it as far as I know
[01:31] <bastid_raZor> i guess that wasn't the answer i was looking for
[01:31] <compwiz18> yeah...
[01:31] <compwiz18> I figured
[01:31] <compwiz18> but afaik that is the answer :S
[01:31] <darkzero> you know, I think they should use feisty hardware code and transfer it to gutsy so many people don't have any problem except for bugs that is
[01:33] <cyclonut> darkzero: "you know, I think they should just throw out any improvements they made while working on gutsy the past six months"
or just forcous on new engine or design
[01:39] <Whoopie> allbert: hi, did you try uswsusp again?
[01:46] <bas> i have a problem with my wifi config
[01:47] <bas> i'm using the rt61pci drivers with wpa_supplicant
[01:47] <bas> this setup works, just not when i boot the machine
[01:47] <bas> somehow i get a list of authentications and deauthentications in the syslog
[01:48] <bas> and not until i manually restart networking (via the init.d script)
[01:48] <bas> networking is working again
[01:48] <bas> so, why is my card authenticating an deauthenticating with my AP?
[01:51] <MattJ> Hi, I'm trying to set up a network printer in Gutsy
[01:52] <bastid_raZor> Hi, i'm trying to set up gutsy in gutsy
[01:52] <MattJ> As far as I know it is set up right, but when I print, the job status changes to "Held"
[01:52] <MattJ> Right-click->Release changes it to "Processing" and then a second later it changes back to "Held"
[02:01] <effie_jayx> does anybody know how the new Screen and Graphics menu works...
[02:01] <effie_jayx> I Can't use my laptop on video beams anymore
[02:01] <effie_jayx> :S
[02:01] <effie_jayx> I plug it in.
[02:02] <effie_jayx> and One I activate the second screen
[02:02] <effie_jayx> the resolution on the main screen becomes
[02:02] <effie_jayx> 640 X 480
[02:04] <effie_jayx> and I can't give talks like that :S
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> then come here? helpful
[02:06] <Almindor> hey guys, how do you properly add new partition to fstab? I guess manual editing isn't the way of today?
[02:07] <sbucatino> #ubuntu-it-chat
[02:07] <savvas> Almindor: you have the pysdm package
[02:07] <friend2GNU> anyone get 80-100 percent cpu usage on xorg during video playback while compiz is on
[02:07] <friend2GNU> it only occurs when the video is not in fullscreen mode
[02:08] <savvas> Almindor: logically, you have that ability while doing an installation of ubuntu
[02:08] <Almindor> savvas, aha ok, thanks, btw what are those odd "identifier strings" in fstab?
[02:08] <Almindor> sacater, disks/partitions can change runtime too :)
[02:08] <Almindor> hups
[02:08] <Almindor> @savvas
[02:09] <friend2GNU> i've tested totem,vlc,mplayer,and xine. the issue can be reproduced everytime
[02:11] <savvas> Almindor: it's best that you read the manual, man fstab :)
[02:12] <Almindor> savvas, the first field is supposed to be the device
[02:12] <Almindor> savvas, UUID is new to me, udev thingy?
[02:13] <savvas> Almindor: those are unique identifiers
[02:13] <savvas> e.g. to be certain it's the same device on /dev/sda
[02:14] <Almindor> ah ok, that's nice
[02:14] <savvas> Almindor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[02:14] <Almindor> it wasn't in some older distroes
[02:14] <savvas> ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -alh
[02:15] <Almindor> yeah, thanks for the info :)
[02:15] <savvas> n/p ;)
[02:24] <ximal> HELP ! lol
[02:24] <ximal> anyone noticed how to make a mouse click... my touchpad on my laptop is not working now