[06:51] <desp> noneus: ahh. thanks
[06:51] <crimsun> stuNNed: I use IBM's 1.4.2
[06:51] <noneus> crimsun, hmm i like ibm. are they good at java?
[06:51] <crimsun> stuNNed: (jdk, because I do globus development)
[06:51] <Rene_S> Dunno but Maxwell House is ok at it :)
[06:51] <desp> can someone point me to a good, concise web resource on developing my own theme for Ubuntu's whatever (Gnome 2.8?)
[06:52] <crimsun> noneus: the IBM port runs on more platforms and has jvm tuning in addition to security extensions
[06:52] <stuNNed> crimsun, ah ok then, i'll give it a try, does IBM have a standard jre with plugin?
[06:52] <crimsun> stuNNed: yes
[06:52] <agsansoo> noneus
[06:52] <desp> I've just finished making my own color scheme for vim, and I love it
[06:52] <noneus> agsansoo, ???
[06:52] <stuNNed> crimsun, thanks, i'll try that, screwed up and tried to upgrade firefox/java on my own now java takes real long time to load
[06:53] <noneus> crimsun, thanks. i'll try it when i'm bored by sun's.
[06:53] <neighborlee> bob2, wouldn't there have been upgrades for someone going from warty preview though to warty-release ? ( or were there any significant fixes/changes)
[06:53] <crimsun> noneus: for most users, 1.5 is the way to go
[06:53] <crimsun> granted if you're ppc, it's moot
[06:54] <agsansoo> noneus, oops
[06:55] <noneus> crimsun, especially for me. i use it for a mldonkey gui and as a browser plugin. sun should be good enough
[06:55] <DeviantDog> is there any service control for ubuntu?
[06:55] <crimsun> DeviantDog: man update-rc.d
[06:55] <crimsun> DeviantDog: to control services, man invoke-rc.d
[06:56] <DeviantDog> does anyone know if ppc version supports airport extreme?
[06:57] <bob2> DeviantDog: no linux system supprted that
[06:57] <bob2> neighborlee: yes, mainly bug fixes, tho
[06:57] <stuNNed> crimsun, can't seem to find an ibm jre package, would you happen to have a url?
[06:57] <DeviantDog> how bout pcmcia linksys card?
[06:58] <brdweb> anybody having problems with hotplug after switching to hoary?
[06:58] <neighborlee> bob2, oh ok..which I can get I take it in the patch repository..or should I be upgrading via a direct download of the new release I wonder...
[06:59] <crimsun> stuNNed: https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/lxdk/lxdk-p
[06:59] <crimsun> stuNNed: you have to create a login.
[06:59] <DeviantDog> ok new to this versioning system of ubuntu, hoary is? next version?
[06:59] <crimsun> DeviantDog: yes.
[06:59] <stuNNed> crimsun, much appreciated
[06:59] <DeviantDog> not available yet?
[07:00] <crimsun> it's being tested right now.
[07:00] <bob2> neighborlee: I don't know what you mean
[07:00] <crimsun> you can help test it.
[07:00] <DeviantDog> how bout ppc version?
[07:00] <neighborlee> bob2, well I mean for the 'fixex' you mentioned
[07:00] <neighborlee> fixes < grrr
[07:01] <crimsun> DeviantDog: what about it?
[07:01] <neighborlee> sounds like m$ is in denail LOL >>> ie: firefox not threat to IE...hahahah
[07:01] <DeviantDog> where to find info on hoary on ppc?
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> hahaha
[07:01] <neighborlee> denial sorry ( damn fingers)
[07:02] <crimsun> DeviantDog: same as hoary on i386 ;-)
[07:02] <brdweb> DeviantDog: if you want to test, just replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary' in your /etc/apt/sources.list file and then to apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:03] <DeviantDog> I see ok thanks
[07:03] <bob2> neighborlee: between the preview and release, it was mainly only buxfixes that were uploaded
[07:06] <neighborlee> bob2, ok..which I get where though..;-)
[07:07] <DigDug> So I installed Ubuntu... is it ok to grab packages from Debian sarge if they aren't in ubuntu?
[07:07] <DigDug> I mean, is it safe as far as stability and whatnot
[07:07] <neighborlee> doubtful anyway would install
[07:07] <aokaze> Hello everyone
[07:07] <neighborlee> hi
[07:07] <crimsun> DigDug: sure, but it'd be "better" to use packages from universe or multiverse.
[07:07] <noneus> i installed torcs debian packages successfully
[07:07] <crimsun> DigDug: but they're all unsupported
[07:08] <crimsun> when things break, you keep all the pieces.
[07:08] <neighborlee> noneus, ;-)
[07:08] <DigDug> universe or multiverse??
[07:08] <brakrl> hey all, just installed ubuntu 8oP
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> DigDug: I would recommend *not* using deb packages
[07:08] <neighborlee> noneus, is there a editor yet for linux for torcs ? ( or i'm thinking of wrong racing game )
[07:08] <neighborlee> brakrl, kewl ;-)
[07:08] <brakrl> how do i exit to cli mode
[07:08] <DigDug> HrdwarBob: yeah? I should plan on compiling stuff that isn't in Ubuntu?
[07:09] <brakrl> i tried telinit 3, killall -9 gdm, killall -9 X
[07:09] <aokaze> I have ordered the free Ubuntu CDs and I am waiting for them to come.  Anyone can tell me how different it is from Debian Sarge?
[07:09] <noneus> neighborlee, no idea. i just play the game.
[07:09] <crimsun> brakrl: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[07:09] <neighborlee> brakrl, Ctrl-Alt F1 will also do it
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> DigDug: no, universe is a lot of packages :)
[07:09] <neighborlee> noneus, oh ok no biggir
[07:09] <neighborlee> ie
[07:09] <DigDug> aokaze: seems to be the same installer as sarge but it doesn't ask as many questions.
[07:09] <brakrl> crimsun: thanks
[07:09] <noneus> mainly in university if my professor talks shit again.
[07:09] <brakrl> neighborlee: thanks
[07:09] <neighborlee> np
[07:09] <stuNNed> crimsun, 1.42 is latest IBM java?
[07:09] <DigDug> HwdwrBob: hehe
[07:10] <crimsun> stuNNed: yes.
[07:10] <neighborlee> DigDug, yup..much easier
[07:10] <crimsun> stuNNed: for certain arches
[07:10] <brakrl> thanks again, peace
[07:10] <aokaze> It will run the same packages as Sarge right?
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> DigDug: are you digdug of qdb fame
[07:10] <stuNNed> crimsun, do you have j2se-common installed in ubuntu as well is ibm's java?
[07:11] <DigDug> aokazae: seems to. I installed the PAN newsreader out of sarge and it pulled its dependancies from ubuntu
[07:11] <DigDug> Nrdwr: no.
[07:11] <crimsun> stuNNed: I do not.
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[07:11] <stuNNed> crimsun, ok, got it
[07:12] <DigDug> Right now I am trying to figure out why I don't just run Debian. ;-)
[07:12] <aokaze> I currently have Sarge installed here so I am just wondering if there is anything I should know before switching
[07:12] <DeviantDog> huh?
[07:12] <neighborlee> we're #13 at distrowatch ;-00
[07:12] <crimsun> DigDug: are you looking for reasons to run Ubuntu (Warty|Hoary) instead of Debian Sarge?
[07:13] <deFrysk> pan is in universe
[07:13] <DigDug> crimsun: well, i hadn't planned on asking so directly, but yeah, I guess.
[07:13] <aokaze> I am just wanting to know what to expect and how to transfer over if I decide to go over
[07:13] <erik> DigDug: I'm totally a ubuntu convert from debian ... not a gnome/desktoppy fan but it's a more stable sid :p
[07:13] <crimsun> DigDug: Ubuntu is focused on a streamlined GNOME 2.8+-based desktop distribution; its base is from Debian Sid.
[07:14] <neighborlee> aokaze, well for starters most things you'll be doing everyday just 'work' ..if that helps <G>
[07:14] <DigDug> aokaze: Transfer.. like move data? I keep 3 OS partitions on my computer and one data partition. That way I can play with all the distribtuions I want and have all my data in one place.
[07:14] <DigDug> crimsun: I'm used to XFCE4, myself.
[07:14] <cef_work> ubuntu has a smaller focus than debian.. it helps in all manner of ways
[07:14] <crimsun> DigDug: the menu structure for Ubuntu's GNOME is much more sane.
[07:14] <seek187> yeah it is!
[07:15] <neighborlee> yup ;-)indeed
[07:15] <aokaze> hmmm I dont use GNOME
[07:15] <erik> I like how ubuntu separates the ssh-server and ssh-client packages too.
[07:15] <erik> that was always a debian pet peeve
[07:15] <crimsun> DigDug: that's fine; I use Benny's xfce4.2beta2+cvs debs on a Ubuntu Hoary+Debian Sid/experimental mix.
[07:15] <erik> aokaze: don't have to
[07:15] <neighborlee> I think kde was to be added to universe but not sure when...?
[07:15] <rodney_> I am new to Linux and Ubuntu.
[07:15] <erik> it would have been *CRAZY COOL* if ubuntu had gone with runit as its init system
[07:15] <crimsun> rodney_: welcome.
[07:15] <neighborlee> rodney_, hi there ;-)
[07:15] <erik> but that would be too much to ask I guess :(
[07:15] <DigDug> crimsun: thats xfce4 from sid?
[07:15] <rodney_> Only used it for a few hours.
[07:15] <brdweb> one thing that bugs me is when package maintainers don't add menu entries.. happens quite often with ubuntu packages. No huge deal as I just add them myself but still.....
[07:16] <crimsun> DigDug: no, Sid only has 4.0.6
[07:16] <neighborlee> brdweb, yeah I agree with that..but hey I bet in time they will
[07:16] <DigDug> Ahh, crimsun do you have apt source list for that package?
[07:16] <aokaze> hmmm so Ubuntu is from Sid and not Sarge?
[07:16] <erik> aokaze: yes
[07:16] <DigDug> packages
[07:16] <crimsun> aokaze: it's based on a Sid snapshot
[07:16] <rodney_> It was a pain to figure out how to connect to my cable internet connection. Really hard. Besides that, everything is great!
[07:16] <crimsun> heavily stabilized/tweaked
[07:17] <aokaze> oh...  I was told it was Sarge from someone who was installing it before
[07:17] <cef_work> aokaze: sort of.. some packages are from sid, some from sarge.. depends how broken things are at the time of choice
[07:17] <neighborlee> rodney_, odd it should have detected it straight away ;(
[07:17] <crimsun> aokaze: well...packages migrate from Sid->Sarge, so...
[07:17] <neighborlee> rodney_, but kewl on the other fronts ;-)
[07:17] <stuNNed> crimsun, i don't know what's up, no matter what java plugin i use, it takes a really long time to load a java applet
[07:17] <crimsun> DigDug: careful, you can break stuff.
[07:17] <brakrl> thanks for the help all
[07:17] <aokaze> it will use Sarge packages fine then?
[07:18] <brakrl> does ubuntu solely use apt-get or does it have its own package manager?
[07:18] <cef_work> ie: if say there is a severe problem in sid with a particular package, then usually it's the sarge version that gets chosen, unless it's deemed important to fix the problem (because of other dependencies)
[07:18] <neighborlee> brakrl, apt-get/synaptic
[07:18] <deFrysk> very dissapointing
[07:18] <erik> brakrl: apt-get.  there are other frontends but it's all debian package management
[07:18] <brakrl> neighborlee: whats synaptic?
[07:18] <crimsun> DigDug: http://www.os-cillation.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=deb-news
[07:18] <Se7h> remind me
[07:18] <neighborlee> brakrl, just a front-end to apt-get ;-)
[07:18] <neighborlee> brakrl, nicely integrated ;-)
[07:18] <Se7h> what/where's the partitions file ?
[07:18] <brakrl> neighborlee: ah okay, im a total ubuntu/debian virgin
[07:19] <neighborlee> brakrl, np
[07:19] <mgoose> hello all
[07:19] <rodney_> While looking through the programs in Synaptic, I noticed something called pppoeconf so I ran it in the admin terminal and got it going.
[07:19] <mgoose> is there a quick way to login and reset my passwd
[07:19] <hypa7ia> evenin' mgoose
[07:19] <cef_work> aokaze: depends on the dependancies.. especially since sarge is a moving target still
[07:19] <brakrl> has anyone else tried fc3?
[07:19] <mgoose> being the idiot that i am i somehow set it during the install but cant login in gdm
[07:19] <mgoose> lol
[07:19] <DA-MAN> i tried fc3 and thought it was a piece of shit
[07:20] <neighborlee> brakrl, ;-) I think many of us have in search for that one distro <wink>...
[07:20] <deFrysk> brakrl, I did but went straight back to ubuntu
[07:20] <DA-MAN> slow, bloated and cluttered
[07:20] <aokaze> hmmm....  I think I might just experiment with it but I only have 5gb HD
[07:20] <crimsun> DA-MAN: no need to trash-talk other distros ;-)
[07:20] <deFrysk> DA-MAN, in a nutshell :)
[07:20] <DA-MAN> crimsun, not trash talking, just giving my opinion
[07:20] <mgoose> arch, try arch linux
[07:20] <mgoose> no extra bs installed
[07:21] <rodney_> can the file extractor on ubuntu extract .sit files?
[07:21] <cef_work> erm, no distro wars please.. we've chosen a distro for the channel..;
[07:21] <mgoose> agreed
[07:21] <DA-MAN> cef_work, it's not a distro war. it's an opinion
[07:21] <mgoose> which brings me back to my question, how do i reset the passwd
[07:22] <mgoose> any ideas plz?
[07:22] <DA-MAN> mgoose, single user mode
[07:22] <cef_work> DA-MAN: I could comment about opinions.. but lets just drop things here.. *grin*
[07:22] <Xenguy> bob2, greetings from the Net, via Ubuntu :-)
[07:22] <DA-MAN> cef_work, ok
[07:23] <rodney_> when is firefox 1.0 going to added to synaptic?
[07:23] <mgoose> never!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:23] <seek187> lol
[07:23] <mgoose> haha jk
[07:23] <seek187> I just downloaded mine and ran the installer
[07:23] <DA-MAN> lookslike it was reverted, who knows when
[07:23] <crimsun> rodney_: probably within the next couple days
[07:23] <rodney_> it installs cleanly seek197?
[07:23] <mgoose> its probably in experimental, no?
[07:23] <crimsun> rodney_: it just went into Sid yesterday
[07:23] <seek187> rodney_, yeah
[07:23] <brakrl> how do i get the libs for rhtyhmbox to play mp3's?
[07:24] <deFrysk> apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[07:24] <rodney_> scuse me, im stupid, what's Sid?
[07:24] <deFrysk> to get them all
[07:24] <brakrl> deFrysk: thanks
[07:24] <Xenguy> rodney_, debian 'unstable'
[07:24] <mgoose> oh btw DA-MAN how do i login to single user mode?
[07:24] <crimsun> rodney_: Debian Sid. That's where the majority of Ubuntu packages are culled from (unless they're GNOME-related)
[07:24] <mgoose> or anybody, for that matter
[07:25] <Xenguy> bob2, it was a stupid 'username' mistake on my part - duh
[07:25] <rodney_> Since I'm new I'll play it safe and wait for Firefox 1.0 to appear on Synaptic.
[07:26] <deFrysk> rodney_, in warty ?
[07:26] <mgoose> be brave, man
[07:26] <Xenguy> rodney_, warty's default version works just fine AFAIK
[07:26] <mgoose> its fun
[07:26] <mgoose> lol
[07:26] <seek187> lol
[07:26] <neighborlee> heh
[07:26] <seek187> yeah it will come to hoary not warty... I think anyway
[07:26] <rodney_> Yeah deFrysk
[07:26] <deFrysk> hoary runs pretty good here
[07:26] <seek187> yup runs fine for me too
[07:26] <deFrysk> rodney_, it will not appear in warty
[07:27] <rodney_> Xenguy, warty's firefox displays some websites strangely then in 1.0.
[07:27] <crimsun> I like the stability of 0.9.3
[07:27] <brakrl> deFrysk: i tried gsteramer-plugins and it wasnt a package so i searched and found libgstreamer-plugins, but it says i have it, and i dont have mp3 support for rhythmbox
[07:27] <Gmail> warty is frozzen no update at all!!!
[07:27] <Se7h> i cant run .run files
[07:27] <Se7h> :|
[07:28] <Xenguy> rodney_, avoid such (stupid) web sites ;-)
[07:28] <Se7h> im stuck
[07:28] <crimsun> brakrl: it's a faq, but you need to enable universe and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:28] <deFrysk> brakrl,  not sure why it does not work
[07:28] <rodney_> Ok. Guess I'll be waiting until April 2005. lol
[07:28] <Gmail> hoary will be frozzen in 4?months
[07:28] <deFrysk> brakrl, what crimsun said
[07:28] <Se7h> brakrl use xine
[07:28] <Gmail> Se7h: gxine
[07:28] <brakrl> crimsun: how do i enable universe?
[07:29] <deFrysk> brakrl, add it to /etc/sources.list
[07:29] <Gmail> rodney_: hoary is already open
[07:29] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup2349: Permission denied
[07:29] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[07:29] <deFrysk> uncomment the line wich includer universe
[07:29] <Se7h> :(
[07:29] <crimsun> brakrl: select it in Synaptic, then update
[07:29] <deFrysk> or what crimsun  said
[07:29] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:29] <crimsun> brakrl: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually as deFrysk said. ;-)
[07:29] <deFrysk> :D
[07:30] <crimsun> (I'm a conffile guy; it's a Debian holdover)
[07:30] <brakrl> crimsun: thanks
[07:30] <crimsun> np
[07:31] <stuNNed> crimsun, are you using warty or hoary?  and firefox .9 or 1.0?
[07:31] <brakrl> crimsun: if i edit the /etc/apt.sources.list to have universe will it automatically search there?
[07:31] <crimsun> stuNNed: Hoary (kernel from Warty) mixed with Debian Sid+experimental. mozilla-firefox 1.0-2 from Sid.
[07:31] <deFrysk> hoary runst 1.0rc1
[07:31] <stuNNed> crimsun, eh, i dare not to go there :)
[07:32] <seek187> lol
[07:32] <rodney_> I need to make sure I'm using a stable release because my Powerbook with Ubuntu is gonna be a 'mission critical' computer. i.e. I need to make sure my sermons don't go missing.
[07:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, where'd you get that mozilla-firefox from sid? ;)
[07:32] <crimsun> rodney_: Warty is perfect
[07:32] <crimsun> stuNNed: it's in Sid's pool
[07:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, i can get the .deb on the web?
[07:32] <deFrysk> should be in hoary soon then
[07:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: sure, but I'd wait a couple days. It'll probably be in Hoary within days.
[07:33] <crimsun> Hoary syncs with Sid very often.
[07:33] <stuNNed> crimsun, but...Hoary...isn't that unstable?
[07:33] <deFrysk> unstable as in untested
[07:33] <crimsun> it's stable in my experience.
[07:33] <deFrysk> not as in unusable
[07:34] <Xenguy> ahhh, irssi  :-)
[07:34] <wm_eddie> I must get firefox 1.0
[07:34] <deFrysk> why must ?
[07:34] <wm_eddie> because 0.9 is broken!
[07:34] <deFrysk> where ?
[07:34] <crimsun> wm_eddie: you're still using 0.9?
[07:34] <Xenguy> wm_eddie: define broken
[07:34] <crimsun> 0.9.3 seems "ok" here.
[07:35] <wm_eddie> crimsun: http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/stilldisabled.png
[07:35] <stuNNed> crimsun, how did you hold back and keep Warty kernel?
[07:35] <wm_eddie> That happens to me all the time and it's really pissing me off.
[07:35] <wm_eddie> the OK button is always disabled.
[07:36] <crimsun> stuNNed: I use apt-pinning to keep the linux-* (well, kernel-related) packages pinned to warty-security
[07:37] <crimsun> my configuration is complicated, because I pin between warty-security, hoary, sid, and experimental
[07:37] <KingShawn> im diggin it
[07:37] <Gmail> why am i banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:37] <KingShawn> i liked it before i ever even saw the interface
[07:38] <deFrysk> Gmail, ask there
[07:38] <rodney_> On my powerbook I've lost the ability to 'right click.' In OS X I just had to hold the command button. Now that doesn't work.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Gmail: heh - that's quite an achievement
[07:38] <wm_eddie> Actually I think maybe it's a problem with the real player plug in now that I think about it.
[07:38] <Gmail> deFrysk: i am banned from there?
[07:38] <deFrysk> Gmail, no clue
[07:38] <KingShawn> aww dood
[07:38] <KingShawn> Ubunut is awesome
[07:38] <KingShawn> ubuntu
[07:38] <crimsun> Gmail: were you flooding in privmsg?
[07:38] <Gmail> is bob2 here?
[07:39] <deFrysk> Ubunut , lol
[07:39] <crimsun> Gmail: or otherwise being obnoxious?
[07:39] <KingShawn> im liking this better then any distro
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Gmail: /whois bob2
[07:39] <Gmail> crimsun: one guy in #freenode i pm and figlet looped it self hence flooding him
[07:39] <seek187> Gmail, you're the only one on the ban list there lol
[07:40] <rodney_> Ever notice how on the Ubuntu website the login screen has pretty people, but on the os itself the login screen is plain?
[07:40] <seek187> rodney_, you can change it
[07:40] <crimsun> rodney_: yes. The splash screen was reverted/changed at the last moment.
[07:40] <seek187> its included
[07:40] <Gmail> rodney_: NOOOO DON'T GIVE THEM IDEA OF PUTTING THE GAY PEOPLE ON THE DISTRO IT SELF NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:40] <neighborlee> so...guys where again do I get the fixes ?
[07:40] <Gmail> sorry for caps
[07:40] <seek187> lol
[07:40] <deFrysk> gay ?
[07:41] <deFrysk> who?
[07:41] <Gmail> the happy people
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Gmail: get over your homophobia
[07:41] <deFrysk> :D
[07:41] <crimsun> all right, let's kill this discussion about the older splash right now, thanks :-)
[07:41] <neighborlee> yeah its like so old school
[07:41] <rodney_> where can I put the older splash screen back?
[07:42] <rodney_> haha
[07:42] <KingShawn> man
[07:42] <KingShawn> this is nice
[07:42] <KingShawn> as heck
[07:42] <crimsun> rodney_: HumanCircle GDM theme, I believe?
[07:42] <deFrysk> gdmsetup
[07:42] <seek187> rodney_, Computer > System Config > Logon Screen Setup
[07:43] <deFrysk> and what seek187 said
[07:43] <stuNNed> crimsun, ok so far IBM's java is pretty clean, fast, and seems stable (so far) :D
[07:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: indeed.
[07:43] <erik> is there any JRE/JDK in ubuntu universe/multiverse/main?
[07:44] <deFrysk> nope
[07:44] <erik> tux.org work?
[07:44] <rodney_> That's the trick seek187. Thanks.
[07:44] <deFrysk> flashplugin-nonfree is there though
[07:44] <erik> neat
[07:44] <crimsun> erik: yes. The ones from Sun and IBM work, too.
[07:44] <brakrl> does anyone know how i can update a specific package through apt-get
[07:44] <erik> crimsun: cool
[07:44] <seek187> erik, might want to read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[07:45] <seek187> robertj, n/p
[07:45] <seek187> er rodney
[07:45] <seek187> IBMs java works better than suns?
[07:46] <rodney_> what can we use for p2p on this thing?
[07:47] <mercurus> xmule or amule ... both work
[07:48] <erik> thanks seek187
[07:48] <seek187> np
[07:49] <Xenguy>  /q
[07:49] <rodney_> i see xmule or amule is not in synaptic. looks like i get to 'try' my first linux program install
[07:50] <hypa7ia> rodney_: they're in universe
[07:50] <hypa7ia> both of em
[07:50] <hypa7ia> :-)
[07:50] <tuxakka> I wonder what cause ubuntu gnome-2.8 to display large X in the middle?  I'm new.
[07:51] <rodney_> how do i access 'universe
[07:51] <crimsun> rodney_: there's no need to apologize.
[07:51] <seek187> rodney_, in synaptic go to Settings > Repositories and check universe then Reload button
[07:52] <hypa7ia> they're the greyed out entried in synaptics
[07:52] <hypa7ia> and don't worry rodney_, i only learned that last week :-)
[07:52] <seek187> me to :P
[07:52] <JDahl> speaking of universe: whoever moved xemacs there should be punished - badly
[07:53] <crimsun> tuxakka: are you able to switch to a console to more the X server output?
[07:53] <rodney_> got it. thanks!
[07:53] <tuxakka> crimsun yes what should I check?
[07:54] <JIMC> hi i have installed ubuntu in a software raid is it possible to boot the system any suggestions?
[07:54] <crimsun> tuxakka: where does the logfile end?
[07:54] <neighborlee> crimsun, I'm feeling rather dumbbutt atm myself LOL..where do I get 'fixes' for ubuntu if not through synaptic ?
[07:54] <Gmail> JDahl: universe means its from debian sid
[07:54] <tuxakka> crimsun which log, x log?
[07:54] <JDahl> Gmail, doesnt it also mean that ubuntu wont support it?
[07:55] <mdz> tuxakka: regarding the "large X", the answer is in the FAQ
[07:55] <tuxakka> mdz thanks
[07:56] <crimsun> mdz: ah, thanks.
[07:56] <crimsun> neighborlee: you can get them through Synaptic.
[07:56] <Gmail> JDahl: it means if there is a problem we don't support but debian does
[07:57] <bob2> Gmail: ?
[07:57] <stuNNed> so to upgrade to Hoary just change names 'warty' in sources.list to 'horay' ?
[07:58] <deFrysk> stuNNed, yup
[07:58] <deFrysk> stuNNed, but i would keep the warty lines in also
[07:58] <Gmail> bob2: why i am banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:58] <stuNNed> deFrysk, and watch the breakage in real action? ;)
[07:58] <deFrysk> stuNNed, :D
[07:58] <stuNNed> real time even :|
[07:58] <neighborlee> crimsun, well
[07:58] <mdz> stuNNed: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog has instructions
[07:59] <Gmail> deFrysk: why leave them edited out?
[07:59] <neighborlee> crimsun, i tried but mark upgrades doesn't seem to be pulling anything in..that or i have themall..which I doubt but...
[07:59] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: if you *really* put 'horay', you'd break it before you started ;)
[07:59] <mdz> there are a couple of additional steps at this time
[07:59] <stuNNed> mdz, got it, muchos gracias
[07:59] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, ;)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: :)
[07:59] <deFrysk> Gmail, I kept the warty lines in not commented out
[07:59] <neighborlee> crimsun, i've been out of linux for a week or two and figured surely there were updates i'd missed but maybe NOT
[08:00] <Gmail> deFrysk: did you also pin hoary? or you might have some problems
[08:00] <crimsun> neighborlee: updates to Warty or Hoary?
[08:00] <deFrysk> Gmail, no probs whatsoever
[08:00] <neighborlee> crimsun, warty
[08:01] <crimsun> neighborlee: Warty doesn't receive updates, only warty-security and hoary do presently.
[08:01] <seek187> where the heck do you download IBMs javavm at anyway I cant find it
[08:01] <neighborlee> crimsun, hmm odd...whats the reasoning behind that
[08:02] <crimsun> neighborlee: it's stable. The only updates are security fixes.
[08:02] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: stable= not changing
[08:02] <neighborlee> crimsun, hmmm well ..LOL I should have known it was that simple...
[08:02] <neighborlee> sigh
[08:03] <crimsun> seek187: https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/lxdk/lxdk-p
[08:04] <seek187> thanks
[08:04] <rodney_> well a mule sucks! it always crashes on me
[08:04] <acecase-win> what should i add to /etc/apt/sources.list to get new packages then universe?
[08:04] <seek187> rodney_, I know I just tried installing both of them and they both crashed on me :/
[08:04] <Gmail> deFrysk: do you know what pin is??? please edit out warty
[08:04] <deFrysk> Gmail, ?
[08:05] <rodney_> seek187, guess that's why ubuntu didn't include them on the official downloads
[08:05] <stuNNed> bash:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales <-do i run this after hoary upgrade or before?
[08:06] <Gmail> deFrysk: is warty there still is xfree in haory there is only xorg now you will couse problem if you don't know what you are doing but you have another option and that is to pin hoary
[08:06] <deFrysk> stuNNed, after ,
[08:06] <stuNNed> deFrysk, thanks
[08:06] <deFrysk> also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:06] <deFrysk> to set xorg up
[08:06] <deFrysk> Gmail, ;)
[08:07] <rodney_> Well I have been using Ubuntu for about 5 hours now and I have to say it's really cool.
[08:08] <stuNNed> deFrysk, crimsun, thoreauputic: here goes, upgrading to hoary!
[08:08] <deFrysk> stuNNed, good-luck
[08:08] <stuNNed> deFrysk, i see xorg is held back, well guess with install that later :)
[08:08] <deFrysk> stuNNed, use dist-upgrade
[08:09] <stuNNed> deFrysk, yep :)
[08:09] <punkass> dist-upgrade didnt work for me with xorg...after that i had to do a apt-get install xserver-xorg
[08:09] <punkass> that removed xfree and put in xorg
[08:09] <bob2> punkass: yes, because you removed ubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <deFrysk> punkass, nut sure if it is still like that with the 3rd update of xorg
[08:10] <punkass> yes correct
[08:10] <deFrysk> oic
[08:10] <punkass> when i changed to totem-xine it removed it
[08:10] <deFrysk> punkass, yup , me too
[08:11] <stuNNed> bob2, is there a way to have totem-xine and not have evolution but have ubuntu-desktop? ;)
[08:11] <KingShawn> can anyone help me with ubuntu?
[08:11] <bob2> if you want a custom system, you get a custom system
[08:12] <stuNNed> bob2, so a custom system is w/out ubuntu-desktop?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> but evolution is so cool
[08:12] <Xenguy> bob2: did I remember to thank you for all your help?  :-)
[08:12] <bob2> stuNNed: if you remove it, you're saying "I don't want the defaults anymore and I know what that means"
[08:13] <Xenguy> KingShawn: that is the purpose of this channel
[08:13] <bob2> Xenguy: heh, cool
[08:13] <Xenguy> bob2: finally - joy :-)
[08:15] <JDahl> just curious... roughly how many people were involved in making Warty?
[08:15] <Xenguy> JDahl: 42
[08:15] <Xenguy> ;-)
[08:16] <Xenguy> j/k - I don't actually know
[08:16] <punkass> 42...hehe
[08:16] <KingShawn> ok
[08:16] <KingShawn> well it seems
[08:16] <KingShawn> i can sudo to root
[08:16] <KingShawn> but if i try to acces synaptic
[08:16] <KingShawn> it wont let me
[08:16] <bob2> KingShawn: please try to put a complete sentence on one line
[08:16] <KingShawn> like the pword is different or soemthing
[08:16] <KingShawn> ?
[08:16] <bob2> if you run synaptic from the menu, it will ask for your user password
[08:17] <punkass> what happens if you try: sudo synaptic
[08:17] <Xenguy> KingShawn: there should be only one password AFAIK
[08:17] <Xenguy> KingShawn: unless you have done custom setup for a root user
[08:18] <KingShawn> thank you
[08:18] <KingShawn> ya synaptic is nice
[08:19] <KingShawn> i like this distro better then any others so far
[08:19] <neighborlee> KingShawn, my feelings too ;-)
[08:19] <acecase-win> ima ubuntu newb so I don't know how to say this but, what is the word for the newer package set then universe?
[08:20] <Xenguy> acecase-win: your question is a bit unclear
[08:20] <seek187> multiverse?
[08:20] <KingShawn> thats alot of packages
[08:21] <acecase-win> i have ( deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe ) in /etc/apt/sources.list but i want new packages then what i get with that
[08:21] <daniels> sjoerd: see benh's comments in #freedesktop
[08:21] <seek187> oh
[08:21] <acecase-win> yeah sorry im a total apt newb :)
[08:21] <seek187> That's about as new as that get
[08:22] <acecase-win> been using gentoo for a couple years now
[08:22] <corbob> if i have updated to hoary, to go back to warty would i just change my sources.list file back?
[08:22] <bob2> corbob: you can't go back
[08:22] <sjoerd> daniels: hmm nice :)
[08:22] <Xenguy> mwuhaha
[08:22] <bob2> acecase-win: universe has nothing to do with the newness of software
[08:22] <corbob> :(
[08:22] <bob2> acecase-win: if you're using hoary main and universe, you have the newest of everything
[08:23] <deFrysk> hoary=unstable (newer)
[08:23] <seek187> horay is newest
[08:23] <seek187> er hoary
[08:23] <acecase-win> it allows the "unstable" packages dosn't it?
[08:23] <KingShawn> so are all the packages listed in synaptic what come on the install + update?
[08:23] <deFrysk> hoary allowes that
[08:23] <KingShawn> ?
[08:23] <bob2> acecase-win: what are you really trying to do?
[08:23] <KingShawn> oh i see
[08:23] <KingShawn> i found some that i dont have
[08:23] <acecase-win> i want a newer webmin at the moment
[08:24] <acecase-win> i can't install any of the modules cause it sais i have an old version
[08:24] <bob2> acecase-win: 1.160 is the newest version in ubuntu
[08:24] <acecase-win> thats the one i want but thats not what im getting
[08:25] <bob2> well, I don't know what you did to your sources.list then
[08:25] <bob2> well, I do, but I don't know how  you want to fix it
[08:25] <bob2> you want to run the most unstable version of ubuntu?
[08:25] <acecase-win> of everything :)
[08:26] <acecase-win> i want the equiv. of useing ~x86 for gentoo
[08:26] <stuNNed> acecase-win, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:26] <bob2> well, this isn't #gentoo, so I can only guess ~x86 means "I want to submit patches to fix bugs"
[08:27] <bob2> oh, a wiki page, neat
[08:27] <bob2> I hope it has a big fat warning
[08:27] <corbob> ~x86 basically says use expirimental ebuilds
[08:30] <acecase-win> yeah sorry ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" allows portage (emerge's apt-get) to install the newest possible packages "expiremental packages"
[08:30] <|^JaMeS^|> is there an LDAP package for ubuntu?
[08:31] <JDahl> I cant seem to find latex2html... anyone happens to know what package it is in? (apt-cache search didnt show anything)
[08:31] <kremlyn> apt-cach search ldap
[08:31] <bob2> JDahl: it's non-free
[08:31] <acecase-win> thank you stuNNed. multiverse is the word i was looking for :)
[08:31] <|^JaMeS^|> thanks
[08:31] <Xenguy> JDahl: what about -> dpkg -S latex2html
[08:31] <bob2> Xenguy: that tells you which package it's in if you have it installed
[08:32] <bob2> multiverse does not contain newer software
[08:32] <stuNNed> acecase-win, np yw :)
[08:32] <Xenguy> bob2: ahh, OK so it is apt-file then?
[08:32] <stuNNed> bob2, i'm excited about using a distro so close to debian
[08:32] <bob2> Xenguy: yes
[08:33] <frog1298> this is a newbie question: just installed ubuntu and I am having a really hard time adding to the PATH env variable.  I have changed the .bash_profile and still nothing.  Any suggestions?
[08:33] <Xenguy> JDahl: if you can find the 'apt-file' package, install that -- it will enable you to track which package contains latex2html even if you don't have the package installed
[08:33] <|^JaMeS^|> source .bash_profile
[08:34] <Xenguy> stuNNed: me too
[08:34] <corbob> will firefox 1.0 be making it into the hoary repository any time soon?
[08:34] <Xenguy> stuNNed: basically it is debian (but a desktop, user-friendly Debian :-)
[08:34] <frog1298> ~/.bash_profile
[08:35] <stuNNed> Xenguy, :D
[08:38] <JDahl> isnt it called "non-free", e.g., deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe non-free ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> frog1298: do `less /etc/profile` - you will see the PATH for "system wide". You can add to that, although there are other ways
[08:39] <stuNNed> bob2, to get P4 HT support i need to be running an SMP kernel?
[08:39] <frog1298> thoreauptic thanks!
[08:41] <lrn> Morning all.
[08:42] <lrn> I just installed apache2 at my box
[08:42] <lrn> Where i can see the files of it?
[08:42] <lrn> i mean the index.html etc..
[08:42] <ironwolf> how does one turn on SHMConfig in xorg?
[08:42] <stuNNed> lrn, dpkg -L apache2
[08:43] <daniels> ironwolf: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the section with 'Driver "synaptics"', add 'Option "SHMConfig"'
[08:43] <lrn> stuNNed nop
[08:43] <lrn> can`t find the good one
[08:44] <tewny> anyone running a athlon64 system with ubuntu ?
[08:44] <stuNNed> lrn, `find / -name index.html` ?
[08:44] <lrn> ok
[08:44] <lrn> found it here /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf
[08:45] <KingShawn> im just loving the doc debs
[08:46] <tewny> there is no hcl for ubuntu ?
[08:46] <ironwolf> 'Driver "synaptics" isn't a part of the xorg.conf  How do I get xorg to rediscover stuff?
[08:48] <ironwolf> daniels: should I change the Driver "mouse" to Driver "synaptics" ?
[08:50] <bluewheel> a quick query, how does one get usb audio to work, My stock speakers are being picked up and used. Any ideas ?
[08:51] <stuNNed> which locale should i use if in u.s. english ?
[08:51] <lamont_r> damn that was a cool noise.
[08:52] <stuNNed> n/m figured it out
[08:52] <stuNNed> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[08:53] <lamont_r> daniels: why does restarting X on ironwolf's laptop make sounds like an aborted drum beat?
[08:53] <daniels> lamont_r: ...
[08:53] <lamont_r> and how did you compress the entire screen down to just that cursor in the top left? :-)
[08:53] <daniels> lamont_r: have you just come back from a long night? :
[08:53] <daniels> :P, even
[08:53] <daniels> um, what's the aborted drum beat sound coming from?  the monitor?
[08:54] <lamont_r> well, laptop.. so it's hard to tell if it's from the speakers, or somethign else...
[08:54] <lamont_r> ah, now (after killing more gnome crap), it's bitching about a bad config... guess that's progress
[08:57] <daniels> weeeiiirrrrd ...
[08:58] <lamont_r> and vt switching is either slow or non-existant
[09:01] <stuNNed> do enable p4 ht support do i need an smp kernel?
[09:02] <Witigonen> Having trouble with my grub.
[09:04] <Witigonen> So, the line should read, 'kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ((where Ubuntu is installed))?  What am I missing, what's wrong?
[09:10] <deFrysk> man does the mplayerplugin ever Rock!!
[09:11] <Treenaks> deFrysk: if you like that, try mozplugger ;)
[09:13] <deFrysk> k
[09:14] <seek187> is there a command line way of turning the volume up and down??
[09:15] <Xenguy> seek187: aumix ?
[09:15] <seek187> mmm don't think that will work
[09:15] <seek187> well maybe it will
[09:15] <seek187> I'm trying to map the volume wheel on my keyboard
[09:15] <deFrysk> gnome-volume-control
[09:15] <deFrysk> its in the panel
[09:15] <daniels> great.  every time I try to post something with Pan, it hangs, and the stack trace is EIGHYT-EIGHT FUNCTIONS DEEP
[09:16] <seek187> hmm
[09:16] <Xenguy> daniels: excellent :-)
[09:16] <Xenguy> daniels: is that universe?
[09:17] <Treenaks> seek187: alsamixer
[09:17] <Treenaks> daniels: use evolution ;)
[09:17] <seek187> yeah aumix isnt going to work
[09:17] <seek187> ok ill try that now
[09:17] <wm_eddie> seek187: Have you tried Computer > Desktop Preferences > Keyboard shortcuts?
[09:18] <wm_eddie> it should have Sound: Volume Up and Volume Down
[09:18] <seek187> wm_eddie, no im using lineakd the keys are all mapped just need to figure out the command for up one notch and down one notch
[09:19] <seek187> hmm
[09:19] <wm_eddie> lineakd?
[09:19] <seek187> good idea
[09:19] <Treenaks> seek187: lineakd? why not just use the gnome shortcut key thingy?
[09:19] <ironwolf> daniels: What exactly should I change in Driver "mouse" to make it synaptics and happy?
[09:19] <seek187> cause I wanted my volume wheel on my keyboard to work lol
[09:19] <Treenaks> ironwolf: "synaptics" :)
[09:20] <wm_eddie> It doesn't work with gnome Keyboard shortcuts?
[09:20] <seek187> I dunno let me see
[09:20] <stuNNed> ironwolf, might need to install xorg-driver-synaptics
[09:20] <Treenaks> seek187: what kind of keyboard do you have?
[09:20] <seek187> Ohhhh!
[09:20] <seek187> Well that was a waste of time
[09:20] <Treenaks> seek187: what kind of keyboard do you have?
[09:20] <wm_eddie> GNOME: sometimes too simple.
[09:20] <seek187> HP2506
[09:21] <seek187> it works with the gnome thing
[09:21] <seek187> cool didnt know I could do that
[09:21] <Treenaks> seek187: is it like the 2505 ?
[09:21] <ironwolf> stuNNed: xorg-driver-synaptics is installed.
[09:21] <seek187> Treenaks, not sure
[09:21] <seek187> 23 key
[09:21] <stuNNed> ironwolf, ok, n/m then
[09:21] <ironwolf> Treenaks: here goes everything... might be back.
[09:22] <Treenaks> seek187: change "pc104" or "pc105" in your xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 to "hp5105"
[09:22] <labanux> is someone cna help me how to turn off the ubuntu
[09:22] <labanux> my ubuntu can't turned off..
[09:22] <seek187> Treenaks, what for?
[09:22] <wm_eddie> like as in power button turn off?
[09:22] <Treenaks> seek187: that way X will recognise your "special" keys by name (the "WWW" button will be XF86WWW, etc.)
[09:22] <labanux> it's all stalled when getting the message acpi_module_called
[09:22] <seek187> ohhh
[09:23] <Treenaks> seek187: so if you assign them in the gnome shortcut manager, you'll see the name of the key instead of some code
[09:23] <labanux> wm_eddie: even using power button .., it still doesn't work..
[09:23] <seek187> let me look at the config for the 5105
[09:23] <wm_eddie> Hows that possible....
[09:23] <Treenaks> seek187: /etc/X11/skb/symbols/inet
[09:23] <Xenguy> labanux: pull the plug, man :-)
[09:23] <labanux> can anyone give me the solutions for this..?
[09:24] <seek187> Mines the SK-2506
[09:24] <labanux> Xenguy: pull the plug..??? What this mean?? i don't understand..., explain please
[09:24] <Treenaks> seek187: oh wait
[09:24] <Xenguy> labanux: unplug your computer :-)
[09:25] <Xenguy> labanux: that should turn things off
[09:25] <labanux> Xenguy: Weeekkkkkkkkkssssssssss..................
[09:25] <Xenguy> hehe
[09:25] <deFrysk> new firofox in hoary
[09:25] <labanux> Xenguy: then i'm turned off myself.. too
[09:25] <seek187> is it?
[09:25] <wm_eddie> labanux: The actual solution is to either fix ACPI or try APM, or APIC...
[09:25] <deFrysk> yes
[09:25] <seek187> yay
[09:26] <deFrysk> its not 1 ;p
[09:26] <seek187> lol oh
[09:26] <punkass> on a dell laptop i had to use   nolapic  on the grub kernel boot line
[09:26] <seek187> well i'll keep my 1.0 then :P
[09:27] <w0t> why i can`t see movies?
[09:27] <w0t> i installed the w32codecs
[09:27] <punkass> are you using totem-xine?
[09:27] <w0t> can`t install totem-xine
[09:28] <w0t> look
[09:28] <w0t> punkass http://pastebin.com/119136
[09:29] <punkass> whoa...never seen that before
[09:29] <chemaja> i cant find the doco for a floppy boot + ftp install of ubuntu... please help!
[09:29] <w0t> help me in this!
[09:30] <Treenaks> w0t: are you getting totem-xine from ubuntu, or do you have debian repositories in your sources.list?
[09:30] <ironwolf> chemaja: not currently available that I'm aware of.
[09:30] <w0t> Treenaks i followd by the wiki guide about it
[09:31] <ironwolf> chemaja: it's better this way.... :)
[09:32] <thoreauputic> w0t: you have all the required repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list , uncommented?
[09:32] <w0t> yes
[09:32] <deFrysk> does anyone know why realplayer does not work ? (nvidia-driver? )
[09:32] <BugS> why is the firefox version so old? havent somebody packaged 1.0 ?
[09:33] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: the nvidia-driver shouldn't have anything to do with realplayer...
[09:33] <thoreauputic> w0t: because it looks like some of the repositories are out of synch (wrong versions)
[09:33] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, so why does it not startup then ?
[09:33] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: What's it printing?
[09:33] <ironwolf> hurray! bug 2153 is fixed in hoary. :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> BugS: if you want 1.0, it's easily installed with the mozilla.org installer
[09:34] <deFrysk> realplay
[09:34] <deFrysk> (realplay.bin:12457): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[09:34] <deFrysk> (realplay.bin:12457): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[09:34] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, that where it ends
[09:34] <thoreauputic> BugS: and it's only been out for a few days!
[09:34] <fabbione> deFrysk: that's a harmless warning
[09:34] <BugS> which means that i should remove the ubuntu version?
[09:34] <wm_eddie> LANG=C realplay try that.
[09:34] <deFrysk> fabbione, thats what i thought
[09:35] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, get no autput but also no realplayer
[09:35] <deFrysk> it just hangs
[09:35] <wm_eddie> hmm...
[09:36] <wm_eddie> I can't remember the name of the program that tells you what system calls a program is making...
[09:37] <thoreauputic> wm_eddie: strace?
[09:37] <ironwolf> I'm seeing a non-functional battery monitor in hoary with xorg.  What do I check?
[09:37] <wm_eddie> yup
[09:37] <deFrysk> yes
[09:37] <seek187> Treenaks, is there a list somewhere for keyboards for xorg.conf?
[09:38] <ironwolf> sorry, by non-functional I mean it's sitting at 0% all the time. even when on battery
[09:38] <b_e_n_z> ironwolf, in your kernel, is the ACPI battery module present?
[09:38] <b_e_n_z> ironwolf, is that module loaded if it's present in the kernel?
[09:38] <Treenaks> seek187: uh yes, but I usually look around in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/inet (if it's an internet keyboard, otherwise just stick with pc104 or pc105)
[09:38] <seek187> ok
[09:40] <ironwolf> b_e_n_z: standard hoary kernel, I don't see it in lsmod.  How would I check?
[09:41] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, http://www.pastebin.com/119138
[09:42] <punkass> deFrysk: i just installed realplayer and it seems fine
[09:42] <punkass> i am watching a vid with audio
[09:42] <deFrysk> stange
[09:42] <deFrysk> +r even
[09:42] <punkass> ?
[09:43] <deFrysk> must be hoary then
[09:43] <punkass> i am using hoary
[09:43] <seek187> hmm my keyboard isnt in there... oh well most of the buttons work and the only ones I really care about work
[09:44] <deFrysk> could it be my utf8 setting ?
[09:44] <punkass> sweet even the firefox real plugin works
[09:44] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: I see waitpid(-1, and then the window shows up.
[09:44] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: I'm using UTF-8
[09:44] <deFrysk> @euro ?
[09:44] <deFrysk>  ?
[09:44] <wm_eddie> punkass: untill you need to open or save a .ram file...
[09:45] <punkass> then i just use realplayer and paste in the url
[09:48] <deFrysk> it even shows up in my menu
[09:48] <deFrysk> silly realplayer
[09:54] <ironwolf> anybody?  If the battery indicator doesn't work by default, what do I check before filing a bug?
[09:55] <wm_eddie> ironwolf: For my laptop, I switched to a 2.4 kernel and APM.  but it's really old...
[09:55] <wm_eddie> pre 1999
[09:56] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: don't switch to 2.4 and APM
[09:57] <_axel> hi, im setting up a laptop for my mom, i cant seem to find the way to set firefox to show menus and dialogs in spanish...
[09:57] <_axel> is that some language pack i must install myself or can it be done via ffox options?
[09:57] <b_e_n_z> _axel, you need to install a language pack like you do in mozilla
[09:58] <_axel> cool
[09:58] <_axel> thanks
[09:58] <wm_eddie> Treenaks: Well you see, it's a laptop with no ACPI support.
[09:58] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: you can disable ACPI, and ACPI can disable itself if it detects your PC is too old
[09:58] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: in 2.6
[09:59] <_axel> and also, i noticed warty has ffox 0.93 or something, should i install 1.0 myself from the mozilla.org packages or the ubuntu one is ok?
[09:59] <seek187> how do you "clean" your old debs thats taking up space?
[09:59] <Treenaks> spt-get clean
[09:59] <bluewheel> apt-get clean
[09:59] <Treenaks> apt-get
[10:00] <wm_eddie> Treenaks: I tried that.  2.6s APM doesn't work.
[10:00] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: file a bug..
[10:00] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: 2.4 is not supported at all for ubuntu
[10:00] <seek187> ohhh I kept thinking it was apt-cache clean
[10:00] <seek187> ok thanks
[10:00] <bob2> _axel: the one in ubuntu works fine
[10:01] <wm_eddie> Other than sound (which is another monster of a problem) 2.4 works fine.
[10:01] <_axel> hmm, hwere are those damn language packs
[10:02] <ironwolf> Treenaks: how do I verify ACPI is running?
[10:02] <Treenaks> ironwolf: dmesg | less
[10:03] <Treenaks> ironwolf: it tells you "ACPI Disabled" if it's disabled
[10:03] <Treenaks> (or something like that)
[10:04] <wm_eddie> > I found that there were power management issues with my
[10:04] <wm_eddie> > ThinkPad 600e and Debian <IP_ADDRESS>-686. In my case, APM was dead, dead,
[10:04] <wm_eddie> > dead. <IP_ADDRESS> is the fix for that.
[10:04] <wm_eddie> hmmm
[10:04] <bob2> .4?
[10:04] <Treenaks> <IP_ADDRESS> does not exist, it must be debian-specific patching
[10:04] <bob2> -4, perhaps
[10:05] <wm_eddie> well I must go to bed.
[10:05] <wm_eddie> it's 4am...
[10:05] <ironwolf> treenaks: if ACPI is disabled is it reasonable to assume the battery monitor won't work?
[10:06] <wm_eddie> "I don't see such a thing. Perhaps you mean 2.6.9-rc4?"
[10:06] <wm_eddie> probably if I upgrade to that kernel it might work.
[10:07] <wm_eddie> also I need to get the thinkpad control program working.
[10:07] <wm_eddie> I think the sound problem I'm having is because of something in the bios.  and I can't enter the bios because of a keyboard error.
[10:09] <wm_eddie> http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/
[10:10] <wm_eddie> interesting
[10:10] <bitserf> argghhhhh
[10:11] <Treenaks> ooh.. IBM acpi "specials"
[10:11] <bitserf> anyone else here have an ipod that occasionally just stops working with the ubuntu kernels? works fine with win32/freebsd
[10:11] <bitserf> :(
[10:11] <bitserf> ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[000a270002762d57]
[10:11] <bitserf> ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting...ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
[10:11] <bitserf> thats all i get when i plug it in, no matter how many times i reset, or reformat the ipod. but sometimes it works.
[10:14] <Lowry> Anyone with a powerbook/ibook?
[10:14] <bluewheel> Lowry, Yep
[10:14] <Lowry> Could you try turning on subpixels in fonts
[10:15] <bluewheel> yea ...
[10:15] <Lowry> Do you get a blue problem around your text?
[10:15] <bob2> yes
[10:16] <Lowry> I get a very thin blue blur around all text
[10:16] <Lowry> Is this a reported bug?
[10:16] <NanoTek> hey everybody
[10:16] <bluewheel> yea same problem for me, interresting, i've never tried this before
[10:17] <Lowry> I sent it in a a png file - no feedback yet
[10:18] <Mr_Smiley> i'm just wondering.. if there's a new release of ubuntu can i just use apt-get to bring me up to date or do i have to reinstall?
[10:19] <bob2> apt-get, of course
[10:19] <ironwolf> Mr_Smiley: my understanding is that when hoary goes live apt-get will do the job.
[10:19] <bob2> this isn't some half-arses redhat derivative ;-)
[10:20] <bob2> even now apt-get will do the job
[10:20] <Lowry> Anyone know if ubuntu supports firewire booting?
[10:20] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[10:21] <bob2> does your bios?
[10:21] <Mr_Smiley> yeah just making sure :)
[10:21] <Lowry> Mac user
[10:21] <Lowry> Open firmware
[10:29] <the_grey_ghost> OK can I post a newbie question here. I have vague linux familiarity but am Largely Windows Based.
[10:30] <the_grey_ghost> Can Ubuntu Read NTFS drives?
[10:30] <b_e_n_z> the_grey_ghost, yes
[10:30] <subterrific> the_grey_ghost: yes, but not write to them
[10:30] <the_grey_ghost> Okay, What about fat 32
[10:30] <NanoTek> you have to create your own kernel to write on it
[10:30] <NanoTek> the_grey_ghost, no problem
[10:30] <subterrific> the_grey_ghost: fat32 yes, and read/write works
[10:31] <NanoTek> you can xrite on ntfs but it is expermimental and you have to compile your kernel
[10:31] <the_grey_ghost> Okay so if I wanted to transfer data between NTFS and Ubuntu then all I would need would be a FAT 32 buffer
[10:31] <NanoTek> it is the best choice
[10:31] <the_grey_ghost> or is there a problem there?
[10:31] <subterrific> NanoTek: the NTFS write support is really sketchy. last time i tried it a few months ago, you could only modify files, not create any new ones and you couldn't mkae files any bigger
[10:32] <NanoTek> subterrific, that's why i said it is experimental :D (very exp.)
[10:33] <tweek_> hello?
[10:34] <the_grey_ghost> ok, my next question is worse. can ubuntu communicate with other windows machines ranging from XP onwards.
[10:34] <bob2> communicate?
[10:34] <bob2> how do you mean?
[10:35] <the_grey_ghost> over a tcp/ip network. Ie could an internet connection be shared easily enough providing I told it a gateway
[10:35] <the_grey_ghost> or could it print to a Windows Print server?
[10:35] <trukulo> yep
[10:35] <trukulo> yep, with samba
[10:35] <the_grey_ghost> Cool I know samba
[10:35] <trukulo> first one, proxy or masquerade
[10:36] <tweek_> my freind recomended me ubuntu linux can anyone giveme a rundown on burning the .iso?
[10:36] <the_grey_ghost> proxy
[10:36] <Lowry> Mac or pc burn?
[10:36] <bob2> tweek_: from linux?
[10:36] <tweek_> pc
[10:36] <tweek_> from windows
[10:36] <the_grey_ghost> u got nero?
[10:36] <tweek_> no
[10:36] <Elwood> aloha
[10:37] <Lowry> Try the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=5
[10:37] <Lowry> They have apps and burn reports from many users
[10:37] <tweek_> wow im so blind thanks alot
[10:41] <the_grey_ghost> does ubuntu come with any windows emulators, I have heard that they are reasonable as far as emulators go
[10:41] <bob2> wine.
[10:42] <bob2> tho it's not an emulatore ;-)
[10:42] <trukulo> jdub, hei, i'vew found your trousers, come to #ubuntu-offtopic jdub
[10:43] <the_grey_ghost> ok I vaguely remember Wine or Winlix or something. They don;t support direct X 9 do they
[10:43] <bob2> Cedega does (www.trangaming.com), but it costs money
[10:43] <trukulo> the_grey_ghost, i don't know
[10:44] <the_grey_ghost> ok, getting too far in. thanks guys i will have to try wine.
[10:48] <tweek_> would nero burn the ubuntu .iso corectly?
[10:48] <bob2> yes
[10:48] <bob2> if it burns it as an iso
[10:48] <tweek_> ok
[10:49] <the_grey_ghost> yea Nero burns ISO's good
[10:49] <the_grey_ghost> I burnt about 1,000 of them that way
[10:49] <tweek_> so just download the i386.iso and burn with nero?
[10:49] <NanoTek> yes
[10:49] <NanoTek> but as an image
[10:49] <the_grey_ghost> yea load it as an image just don't add it to the compilation
[10:50] <NanoTek> before check your iso file with md5sum
[10:50] <tweek_> ok il try brb
[10:50] <Lowry> have the cdr verified
[10:51] <tweek_> i love fast mirrors
[10:51] <the_grey_ghost> does Ubuntu come with mono the .net emulator. I have a few VB.net programs that I want to run (yes I hate VB as a language, but thats what they are written in )
[10:52] <seek187> the_grey_ghost, it's in my package list
[10:52] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: it's available for warty
[10:52] <skelll> hello
[10:52] <the_grey_ghost> thanks seek187
[10:52] <the_grey_ghost> thanks guys
[10:53] <bob2> I don't know hos usable winforms is
[10:53] <skelll> after the installation the boot hangup when it try too load the e100 module
[10:54] <skelll> pci.agent seem segfault :/
[10:55] <skelll> any tips ?
[10:55] <Treenaks> skelll: are you overclocking?
[10:55] <skelll> no
[10:55] <bob2> skelll: does "dmesg" show an oops?
[10:56] <skelll> bob i can't dmesg the comp is freezed
[10:56] <bob2> erm, wow
[10:57] <skelll> i had debian sid on this computer so it should work (my HD just crashed)
[10:58] <tweek_> md5sum.exe crashes after start what could  cause this?
[10:59] <bob2> you'd need to find a windows support channel
[10:59] <Lowry> Try a different app mb?
[11:00] <the_grey_ghost> ok one more question, but a relevant one (slap me if there is an explanation on the site but I can;t find it) What is the difference between warty-install-i386 and Warty-live-i386
[11:00] <tweek_> would missing dlls cause it?
[11:00] <Treenaks> dlls?
[11:00] <Treenaks> in linux?
[11:01] <tweek_> im on windows
[11:01] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: do you want to install ubuntu?
[11:01] <skelll> tweek go ask in windows channel
[11:01] <Lowry> End user reply - boot and run vs install?
[11:01] <tweek_> want to check the iso before burning
[11:01] <skelll> most people here don't know windows
[11:01] <bob2> Lowry: right
[11:01] <skelll> (i don't)
[11:01] <deFrysk> windows crashes on anything
[11:02] <Treenaks> tweek_: maybe there are other md5 programs?
[11:02] <seek187> lol
[11:02] <the_grey_ghost> bob2- Yes. I am currently downloading both warty-install-i386 and warty-live-i386
[11:02] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: the -install one is what you use to install ubuntu
[11:02] <deFrysk> does warty cd have a media-check ?
[11:02] <the_grey_ghost> ok what is the live one then?
[11:02] <Lowry> live will run from the cdr
[11:02] <the_grey_ghost> okay. Thanks heaps
[11:02] <Lowry> install will only install from the cdr
[11:03] <schnizzle> anyone need help with a pxe install??
[11:03] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: you boot the cd and can get a taste of ubuntu
[11:03] <the_grey_ghost> cool\
[11:03] <Mr_Smiley> I can get xsane to work when i run it as root, why doesnt it work as a user? I suspect it is something to do with permissions..
[11:03] <skelll> ok i try to reinstall then , what is the prefered file system on ubuntu ? (i installed reiserfs)
[11:03] <Lowry> live will let you look and try but might be slow if on a cdr
[11:03] <schnizzle> and.. how do i get rid of the x in the middle of my screen??
[11:04] <bob2> schnizzle: what sort of video card do you have?
[11:04] <schnizzle> bob2: its a savage on a toshiba laptop
[11:05] <bob2> heh, it's always a savage
[11:05] <schnizzle> i see an x cursor...
[11:05] <schnizzle> but my arrow or whatever moves around fine
[11:05] <bob2> you need to enable SWcursor
[11:06] <schnizzle> bob2: how
[11:06] <schnizzle> ?
[11:07] <Mr_Smiley> wow everything works in ubuntu i have gotten scannner :O and printer working fine..
[11:08] <tweek_> does ubuntu come with a media player?
[11:09] <schnizzle> bob2: SWcursor??? wheres it at?? how do i enable...??
[11:10] <elwood> schnizzle,  in your xconfig
[11:10] <tweek_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[11:10] <Lowry> My powerbook went to sleep and will not wake up
[11:10] <tweek_> that it?
[11:11] <spacey`ki> RIP
[11:11] <Lowry> had to reset
[11:11] <Lowry> Would there be a log ?
[11:11] <ryan> daniels: are you in?
[11:13] <bob2> Lowry: is it a g4 with nvidia/
[11:13] <bob2> ?
[11:14] <Lowry> ati 8 meg pro lt
[11:15] <Lowry> g3
[11:16] <tweek_> is installing ubuntu harder or easier than redhat?
[11:16] <b_e_n_z> tweek_, much easier
[11:16] <Lowry> Like os x
[11:17] <Lowry> Just a few questions
[11:17] <tweek_> wow thats awesome
[11:17] <bob2> Lowry: it should work
[11:17] <tweek_> im burning now :)
[11:18] <tweek_> under nero data>make data cd?
[11:18] <Lowry> Do you have an iso option?
[11:19] <tweek_> no i dont : /
[11:19] <the_grey_ghost> NO not through make data
[11:19] <the_grey_ghost> Tweek_ are u using express or the full version?
[11:19] <tweek_> demo >.<
[11:20] <Lowry> Burn image mb?
[11:20] <the_grey_ghost> ok run nero express and go disk image or saved project
[11:20] <the_grey_ghost> or
[11:21] <tweek_> burn image to disc refers to iso image?
[11:21] <the_grey_ghost> From full go CD, Create CD, Other cd formats and then Create a cd from an image file
[11:21] <Adrenal> how do i enable a root account?
[11:22] <Adrenal> anyone, help a brother out?
[11:22] <bob2> Adrenal: please read the FAQ
[11:22] <Adrenal> oh sorry
[11:22] <Adrenal> whats the site?
[11:22] <Chibi> ...
[11:22] <bob2> Adrenal: please read the /topic
[11:22] <Chibi> Topic
[11:23] <Adrenal> again, sorry
[11:23] <Adrenal> cheerio
[11:23] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[11:24] <the_grey_ghost> tweek_ if that dosen't work go file>burn image>  then just open the iso
[11:25] <tweek_> i dont have nero express and ive hade nero 5 mins and my demo has expired  : /
[11:25] <tweek_> so im looking for a fullversion
[11:25] <the_grey_ghost> ok
[11:26] <the_grey_ghost> that is just weird. Do you have any of the CD's that came with your CD burner?
[11:26] <Lowry> Is there no open or shareware option for win?
[11:27] <tweek_> im just looking for a torrent but i hate when suprnova dies everyonce and a while
[11:31] <letheus> I have just ripped a cd with 'Grip'. But i have no idea where it stored the tracks? Can anyone help me? Probably a stupid question :)
[11:31] <NanoTek> maybe in .grip
[11:31] <NanoTek> in your HOME
[11:31] <letheus> Where is Grip?
[11:31] <letheus> It?s not in HOME
[11:31] <NanoTek> cd ~/.grip
[11:32] <tweek_> LOL
[11:32] <tweek_> nero has no keygen protection
[11:32] <NanoTek> nautilus --browser ~/;grip
[11:32] <NanoTek> oups
[11:32] <NanoTek> nautilus --browser ~/.grip
[11:33] <NanoTek> or you can make an updatedb & locate xxxx if the name of the file is xxxxx
[11:34] <tweek_> winrar displays the iso as aziped folder should i unzip or burn as is
[11:35] <letheus> i tried nautilus --browser ~/.grip, but it just opens Abiword snd shows alot of weird code.
[11:35] <letheus> snd = and
[11:36] <NanoTek> log in root
[11:36] <NanoTek> make updatedb
[11:36] <NanoTek> and then locate your file with the name as an arg
[11:36] <letheus> NanoTek, ok
[11:38] <Lowry> CDRDAO for xp?
[11:38] <NanoTek> ??
[11:44] <letheus> NanoTek, okay, i have found the tracks. Thank you :)
[11:45] <NanoTek> you're welcome
[11:47] <tweek_> i jsut tried boting my ubuntu disc it said press enter or press f1 for help
[11:47] <tweek_> but it just kept loadibng 2 files and rebooting
[11:47] <tweek_> what might cause this
[11:48] <Treenaks> lots of things
[11:48] <Treenaks> what kind of PC is it?
[11:48] <tweek_> compaq
[11:48] <trukulo> tweek_, try append nolapic
[11:48] <tweek_> whats that?
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: read the help (F1, F2, etc.)
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: it'll have a short explanation
[11:49] <tweek_>  i did
[11:49] <trukulo> yep
[11:49] <tweek_> f1 linux enter
[11:49] <tweek_> and it looped
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: nonono
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: read the help there
[11:49] <tweek_> ok
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: and act accordingly
[11:49] <trukulo> try: linux nolapic (then enter)
[11:49] <tweek_> ok
[11:49] <tweek_>  thanks
[11:50] <tweek_> ill return if it doesnt work :p
[11:57] <tweek_> ok the message i got when i tried noapic is kernel image not found
[11:58] <Treenaks> tweek_: put it after linux
[11:58] <Treenaks> tweek_: so linux noapic
[11:59] <Treenaks> tweek_: not just noapic
[11:59] <tweek_> tried that also
[11:59] <tweek_> it just did the same thing as before
[11:59] <Treenaks> maybe it isn't called "linux", the name is on the first page
[12:06] <tweek_> is that the error you think the kernel image is missing?
[12:43] <Hikaru79> If I have a CD I want to burn, how can I make an image of the whole CD's contents so that I can burn that?
[12:44] <jdub> Hikaru79: on the command line, or with a gui?
[12:44] <Hikaru79> jdub, either
[12:44] <stvn> Hikaru79: do you need it to be bootable, or is it just a data cd?
[12:44] <Hikaru79> Just a data cd
[12:44] <stvn> Hikaru79: why not use the nauilus-CD burner facility?
[12:44] <jdub> Hikaru79: on your nautilus window, click Places > CD Creator
[12:45] <jind> To burn iso: cdrecord -v -dev 0,0,0 -speed 24 -driveropts=burnproof fil.iso - Find right device with cdrecord -scanbus
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: that will pop up a window you can copy files to
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: then do File > Write to CD...
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: it's really easy :)
[12:45] <stvn> :)
[12:45] <Hikaru79> Well, I know i can just copy the files to the new CD and then burn
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: that window should pop up if you insert a blank disc, too
[12:45] <Hikaru79> But if it's a software that has to be installed, etc., is that enough?
[12:45] <mark__> Does anyone know how to add the debian menu to the bottom of the gnome menu?
[12:46] <stvn> Hikaru79: how do you mean software to be installed, like packagers and executables or like linux install CDs
[12:47] <Hikaru79> Windows software, actually
[12:47] <Hikaru79> Just two CD's with a Windows program'
[12:47] <stvn> Hikaru79: normally you can just put the .exe on the CD via nautilus, unless you need it to be installed before windows is started
[12:47] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK
[12:47] <Hikaru79> =) Then that's enough
[12:56] <svenl> jind: what is the benefit of -driveropts=burnproof ?
[12:56] <challange> re
[12:56] <challange> can anybody help me
[12:56] <Lowry> hi
[12:56] <challange> I have a partition
[12:57] <challange> where windows xp is located
[12:57] <challange> and I want to make a boot menu or sth
[12:57] <challange> to use xp too
[12:57] <jind> svenl,  You enable the burnproof function so the burning does not get buffer underruns - if your burner supports it
[12:57] <svenl> jind: ah, thanks.
[12:58] <challange> and when I installed windows
[12:58] <challange> then I had to install ubuntu again cause there is no chance to install the grub only
[12:58] <challange> i dont know WHY
[12:58] <challange> i have to install the hole system
[12:59] <svenl> challange: don't install windows then.
[12:59] <challange> windows overwrites the boot record
[12:59] <challange> yeah well that can be a solution:D
[12:59] <challange> but I need to
[12:59] <svenl> challange: you just have to rerun grub, so it installs itself in the boot record.
[01:00] <challange> how?
[01:00] <challange> when I boot from install cd
[01:00] <challange> ?
[01:00] <challange> or when I boot from windows?:D
[01:00] <svenl> no idea, i never installed ubuntu, but it is based on the debian-installer, so probably you could install the grub .udeb in the initrd, and call it from there.
[01:00] <svenl> not sure though.
[01:00] <challange> cause win can't see linux partition
[01:01] <challange> there is no chance
[01:01] <svenl> challange: best idea is to create the partition table, reboot, install windows, and then install linux (ubuntu or debian or whatever).
[01:01] <NanoTek> challange, exp2fs
[01:02] <challange> svenl, yeah I did that but when I wanted to install ubuntu it halted and said it can't install grub
[01:02] <challange> d installer asked me
[01:02] <fords> my profound apologies for asking such a stupid question, but i'm sure other people have had this same problem.  i'd gladly look it up if i could, but i've spent the last half hour trying to find TFM.
[01:02] <fords> that said, is there a forum/bbs/newsgroup for users?
[01:02] <challange> if I want to use windows as well
[01:02] <challange> i said yes
[01:02] <challange> and installation has failed
[01:03] <challange> i dont really understand
[01:03] <challange> :D
[01:07] <svenl> challange: fill a bug report, it should work.
[01:08] <svenl> challange: at least debian-installer works for this kind of stuff, so ...
[01:14] <plfiorini> hello
[01:15] <plfiorini> do you plan to hack debian-installer adding a gnome gui?
[01:15] <fabbione> plfiorini: no
[01:15] <Kamion> fabbione: ?
[01:15] <fabbione> there will be a GUI but it will be gtk based
[01:16] <fabbione> oh well
[01:16] <jordi> fabbione: not even as a medium term goal?
[01:16] <Kamion> that's not clear
[01:16] <fabbione> if you want to consider gnome = gtk
[01:16] <fabbione> than yws
[01:16] <fabbione> yes
[01:16] <Kamion> fabbione: it's entirely possible that it will have at least some GNOME components
[01:16] <jordi> ok, I guess we all understood gnome=gtk in this case :)
[01:16] <fabbione> Kamion: ah
[01:16] <jordi> Kamion: like what?
[01:16] <Kamion> well, certainly glade
[01:16] <jdub> fabbione: same thing these days :)
[01:16] <fabbione> jordi: heh
[01:16] <fabbione> jdub: i am purist :P
[01:16] <Kamion> I could imagine that HIGgy dialogs would be valuable too
[01:17] <jdub> soon, there will not be a libgnome(ui)
[01:17] <jdub> hoorah!
[01:17] <xukun> did anybody updated to Hoary?
[01:17] <jdub> Kamion: (all gtk+ level)
[01:17] <daniels> x is fine, just not in the installer :P
[01:17] <fabbione> xukun: yes..
[01:17] <Kamion> jdub: ah, ok
[01:17] <jdub> daniels: what about tinyx and friends?
[01:17] <fabbione> daniels: let's all go back to ConsoleFB!
[01:17] <NanoTek> fabbione, you can use the framebuffer if ou wnat
[01:18] <fabbione> NanoTek: yes i am aware of that ;)
[01:18] <jdub> daniels: would be much nicer to be able to use X :)
[01:18] <daniels> jdub: i dunno, just seems more sensible to use gtk's native framebuffer stuff
[01:18] <jordi> Is gtkfb usable at all?
[01:18] <jdub> jordi: not these days
[01:18] <daniels> if we're only going to use x for like one window to wrap the framebuffer anyway ;)
[01:18] <jdub> daniels: can't do a11y and friends
[01:18] <jordi> too bad :|
[01:18] <daniels> jdub: problem is that framebuffer detection fails once every never
[01:18] <daniels> jdub: hm
[01:18] <jdub> daniels: and all the X stuff is very easily retargetable, etc.
[01:18] <hw-tPh> Soo...will I be flamed if I ask something about Hoary? :-o
[01:18] <daniels> i suppose if we could beat the resolution and crap out of the fb, we could wrap x around the framebuffer
[01:18] <jordi> hw-tPh: why would you?
[01:19] <fabbione> hw-tPh: well.. it depends..
[01:19] <daniels> for a11y
[01:19] <NanoTek> fabbione, but if you use it and it crash evetything is crashed
[01:19] <NanoTek> kernel too
[01:19] <jdub> daniels: that'd be ideal.
[01:19] <daniels> jdub: mmm
[01:19] <xukun> fabbione:  I,m asking becouse I just installed Warty on my system I,m not wondering if I should update to Hoary
[01:19] <jdub> daniels: of course, we can always just fail for stupid hardware and make users use the text-based one
[01:19] <hw-tPh> I was just wondering if XFT has changed significantly? I can't use my Proggy fonts anymore.
[01:19] <daniels> jdub: hmm, true
[01:20] <fabbione> xukun: hoary is the unstable branch. if you can deal with random breakage, yes.. you can update.. otherwise wait
[01:20] <jdub> Kamion: is it possible to use normal debs in the installer?
[01:21] <fabbione> NanoTek: my "rant" was a joke..
[01:21] <xukun> fabbione: thanks I will take a chance. any tips before I hit the road?
[01:21] <hw-tPh> I can deal with it, and I'm not complaining - just asking a little question.
[01:21] <fabbione> NanoTek: zless /usr/share/xorg-common/changelog.Debian.gz and scroll a bunch of lines down ;)
[01:21] <fabbione> xukun: apt-get dist-upgrade or use dselect or synaptic
[01:21] <fabbione> xukun: don't do partial upgrade
[01:22] <fabbione> hw-tPh: it should still be there and working...
[01:22] <xukun> fabbione: what about the sources.list, no changes needed in there?
[01:23] <hw-tPh> fabbione: Yes, it appears to be working for most fonts but just not these ones. Perhaps they are screwed. I'll have to look that up.
[01:24] <seek187> xukun, just change "warty" to "hoary" in all the lines in sources.list and apt-get update
[01:24] <xukun> seek187: thanks
[01:25] <seek187> np
[01:25] <Lowry> then apt-get upgrade
[01:25] <seek187> apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:25] <Lowry> I have a font question
[01:26] <Lowry> What is needed to get smooth fonts on the ppc?
[01:27] <Kamion> jdub: no
[01:27] <Kamion> jdub: what do you need to do?
[01:27] <Lowry> Is there more to download or is it set up?
[01:27] <Kamion> jordi: gtk/directfb works fine
[01:28] <jdub> Kamion: just thinking about the a11y stuff and depends, and fearing the number of udeb recipes required :)
[01:29] <Kamion> the majority of them are done already
[01:29] <jdub> bonobo...
[01:29] <Kamion> normal .debs aren't an option :)
[01:29] <Kamion> apart from anything else you generally want to build them differently for the installer: -Os, that sort of thing
[01:29] <jdub> yeah
[01:31] <eazel7> hi
[01:31] <eazel7> isn't there a basedebs.tar for warty?
[01:31] <Kamion> no
[01:31] <eazel7> :(
[01:31] <Kamion> use debootstrap
[01:32] <eazel7> I have debootstrap
[01:32] <eazel7> I'm on gentoo
[01:32] <Treenaks> eazel7: why not just install using the CD?
[01:32] <Kamion> oh, you want to do the "download just one file and stick it on a disk somewhere" thing?
[01:32] <eazel7> can't burn it
[01:32] <eazel7> kinda
[01:32] <Kamion> you should be able to cross-install using a localish mirror nonetheless
[01:33] <eazel7> 'install&configure in a chroot jail'
[01:33] <Kamion> there's documentation for that
[01:33] <eazel7> that's what I'm searching now
[01:34] <Kamion> eazel7: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html
[01:34] <Kamion> it's a bit rough, but should give you the idea
[01:35] <eazel7> thanks
[01:36] <xukun> which gcc version is there in warty?
[01:37] <Elwood> 3.3.4
[01:39] <eazel7> if I have downloaded the warty cd, should I download the 'basedebs' from web again?
[01:40] <eazel7> I mean, are they differents?
[01:40] <Treenaks> eazel7: they're not different, and if they are, it'll be fixed by the aptitude step later on
[01:40] <ermo> I'm currently sampling warty. How's the progress with integrating X.Org coming along in hoary?
[01:40] <eazel7> Treenaks: thanks
[01:41] <jdub> ermo: done. it's great.
[01:41] <ermo> jdub, really? Kewl!
[01:41] <jdub> ermo: (well, there are always things to do in a devel branch...)
[01:41] <ermo> jdub, hehe
[01:41] <hw-tPh> ermo: I just upgraded to Hoary. It works very well for me.
[01:41] <mjr> yep, X.org in hoary works fine; I upgraded my gaming ubuntu install to it ;)
[01:41] <ermo> mjr, say again 'your gaming ubuntu install'? Could you elaborate a bit?
[01:42] <ermo> (if it's okay in here, I mean)
[01:42] <eazel7> is the i8xx issue solved in horay?
[01:42] <Treenaks> eazel7: i8xxs issue?
[01:42] <eazel7> (well, the problem is with X.org 6.8.x)
[01:42] <mjr> well, my main system is Warty/amd64, but I have a small Hoary/x86 partition for 32-bit DRI games
[01:42] <eazel7> Treenaks: some crashes
[01:42] <mjr> DRI didn't support 32-bit clients on the 64-bit kernel at least out of the box
[01:42] <ermo> jdub, is the X.Org integration running 'in parallel' with debian unstable? Or are you going seperate ways for now?
[01:43] <eazel7> Treenaks: you must disable some accel to make it work better
[01:43] <ermo> mjr, I'm totally n00b when it comes to linux gaming. I'm one of those play it safe types who has an xp box just for gaming.
[01:44] <ermo> mjr, could you perhpas point me to a ressource, where I might learn more about the current state of gaming on linux?
[01:45] <Treenaks> ermo: linuxgames.org ?
[01:45] <ermo> btw, great job on warty, folks! Like I said, I've only sampled it, but it seems to be great :D
[01:45] <Treenaks> no that's a spammer
[01:45] <mjr> ermo, ok; To put it more simply, basically, 3d acceleration only works for 64 bit apps on the stock 64-bit kernel. This is being corrected, but I don't know about the progress really. Meanwhile, I need that 32-bit partition for mostly Neverwinter Nights.
[01:45] <Treenaks> ermo: linuxgames.com
[01:45] <ermo> Treenaks, thx.  I'll scamper off and read up on it and ask smarter questions from now on...
[01:48] <Treenaks> ermo: :)
[01:49] <xukun> if gcc is installed in warty, then way is this? sudo dpkg -s gcc Package `gcc' is not installed and no info is available.
[01:49] <xukun> I must be doing something wrong
[01:49] <Treenaks> xukun: it's not installed by default
[01:49] <Treenaks> xukun: you should install build-essential
[01:49] <Treenaks> xukun: it could also be that the package is called gcc-3.3 or something
[01:50] <ermo> One more q: How does Fedora Core and Ubuntu compare technically (not philosophically)? Anyone here who have experience w/both?
[01:50] <Kamion> xukun: gcc isn't installed by default
[01:50] <ermo> (I've never tried fedora)
[01:50] <seek187> I've tried it for about 10 minutes :P
[01:51] <ermo> seek187, heh
[01:51] <hw-tPh> Comparing Redhat and Debian, eh? Apples and oranges...
[01:51] <xukun> Treenaks: apt-get install build-essential?
[01:51] <Treenaks> ermo: most rpm-based distributions have a problem with trying to decide what's best for you.. I want to edit the config and be done.. not edit the config, then edit the default config and then hope it isn't stored elsewhere
[01:52] <Treenaks> xukun: yes
[01:52] <ermo> Treenaks, that's a good point.
[01:53] <ermo> Treenaks, do you mind if I quote you on that?
[01:53] <plfiorini> ermo, fc 3 doesn't even install here
[01:53] <Treenaks> ermo: where?
[01:54] <jdub> ermo: ubuntu branches from debian sid
[01:54] <jdub> ermo: sometimes ahead, sometimes behind :)
[01:54] <plfiorini> ermo, and ubuntu is more polished
[01:54] <ermo> Treenaks, eh, in my local danish AAUUG. I found that it somehow 'rings true'?
[01:54] <seek187> and faster
[01:54] <Treenaks> ermo: ok :)
[01:54] <ermo> so much for a biased opinion ;)
[01:55] <xukun> what is the story about ati cards and hoary?
[01:55] <plfiorini> seek187, yep - redhat/fedora always loaded too much in their init scripts and i don't want to know how many patches they do for gcc and glibc
[01:55] <xukun> or should I say X.org and ati
[01:56] <ermo> Don't the open source drivers (for <R300) work well with X.Org? *holds breath*
[01:56] <plfiorini> seek187, hoary has also xrender 0.9 which is better - my r250 works better with shadows now although it still suck with translucent windows
[01:56] <hw-tPh> It's not so much the ATI cards but the drivers ATI supply.
[01:56] <ryan> daniels: are you in?
[01:56] <plfiorini> ermo, afaik fglrx doesn't run with xorg so you have to use the OSS drivers that are not the same :-/
[01:56] <seek187> Yeah my shadows work well too but I took them off cause after awhile it started getting boggy
[01:57] <seek187> Yeah ATI needs to build a new driver
[01:57] <xukun> so as long as I use the the open source driver I would be save?
[01:57] <plfiorini> seek187, hehe xcomposite is still not stable
[01:57] <ryan> rats, missed him by about half an hour :/
[01:57] <seek187> I can barly play ET
[01:57] <seek187> plfiorini, heh nope
[01:57] <plfiorini> seek187, but it's good to see that xfree is dead
[01:57] <ryan> heh
[01:58] <seek187> I know
[01:58] <ryan> xcomp is kindof annoying
[01:58] <ryan> each setting has its share of bugs
[01:58] <ermo> plfiorini, you sound like the guy to ask: I bought a <$100 radeon RV280 card specifically for use with the OSS drivers for my ubuntu box. How do well do the OSS drivers work (I assume you've tried them)
[01:58] <ermo> ?
[01:58] <plfiorini> ermo, is rv280 the radeon 9200 just like the ibook g4 1.1 onboard?
[01:58] <ryan> server side only has weird issues when i scroll with the mouse wheel, it leaves garbage in gaim im windows and the nautilus desktop wallpaper selector
[01:59] <ryan> and with -c, for example, resizing the nautilus windows leaves LOTS of garbage
[01:59] <ryan> but the other bugs don't appear
[01:59] <ryan> heh
[01:59] <plfiorini> ryan, luminocity should be good, using opengl but i haven't tried it yet
[01:59] <ronalde> goodday, anybody any clues on how to get my Plextor SATA DVD-writer working?
[01:59] <plfiorini> it's owen's WM
[02:00] <ermo> plfiorini, it's a 9250. I believe it's an 'improvement' (die shrink? consolidation/integration)?
[02:00] <ryan> i find it funny that with the 6111 nvidia drivers i was able to use both xcomposite and gl apps at the same time
[02:00] <ryan> i just upgraded to the 6629 drivers
[02:00] <ryan> and now i can't use gl with the xcomposite extension loaded
[02:00] <Mithrandir> ronalde: I don't think SATA DVD burners are supported by the kernel yet. :/
[02:00] <hw-tPh> ryan: The 6229 drivers are crap. They don't work with most widescreen LCD's.
[02:01] <hw-tPh> ryan: I'm sticking with 6111.
[02:01] <plfiorini> ermo, i installed warty rc on my ibook (it's the only decent distro out ther for PPC, maybe gentoo is good too but i haven't tried)
[02:01] <ronalde> Mithrandir: ic ;(
[02:01] <ermo> plfiorini, oh ok. Would you care to relate your experience?
[02:01] <plfiorini> ermo, the OSS drivers work good anyway i had problems with xcomposite (i compiled xorg 6.8.1 by hand)
[02:02] <Mithrandir> ronalde: if somebody gets me one, I can surely test. ;)
[02:02] <plfiorini> ermo, i had problems with metacity that caused a xserver crash and using xfwm i managed to get xorg running with shadows but it was really slow
[02:03] <plfiorini> ermo, anyway radeons work good using the xorg drivers, but i want to try them playing quake 3 :)
[02:03] <ermo> plfiorini, :D
[02:03] <ronalde> Mithrandir: well maybe this output from dmesg makes sense to you (3 lines):
[02:03] <seek187> plfiorini, I tried on my 9200 its so choppy I couldn't play it
[02:03] <ronalde> ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000 88:0407
[02:03] <ronalde> ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33
[02:03] <ronalde> ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/33
[02:03] <plfiorini> ermo, glxgears give me 5329 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1065.800 FPS
[02:03] <Kamion> plfiorini: why the rc?
[02:04] <plfiorini> ermo, it's glxgears running on my rv250 (radeon 9000) using hoary
[02:04] <ermo> plfiorini, ok.
[02:05] <plfiorini> ermo, have you got some glxgears output to compare?
[02:05] <xukun> ronalde: S-ATA is common kernel subsystem now, so it is supposed to work - but I don't have any first
[02:05] <ermo> plfiorini, no. Not yet.
[02:05] <plfiorini> ermo, k
[02:05] <ermo> plfiorini, sorry :/
[02:05] <ronalde> xukun: where to post a bug, debian, ubuntu or kernel
[02:06] <plfiorini> gotta study something, i have an exam :(
[02:06] <xukun> ronalde: I,m not sure
[02:09] <ermo> pl_study, but thx for your input.
[02:10] <eazel7> could someone paste the sources.list for me, please?
[02:10] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[02:10] <Kamion> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[02:11] <eazel7> thx
[02:19] <mwh_> hi
[02:20] <seek187> hi
[02:20] <mwh_> umh im having trouble getting sound on my laptop, its an Acer TravelMate 2000
[02:20] <mwh_> I read somewhere that it uses the sound module atiixp and I can load it but still get no sound
[02:21] <mwh_> what can I do?
[02:21] <daniels> this may sound like a stupid question, but is there a hardware mute button on there?
[02:23] <ermo^away> daniels: I recently heard someone jokingly comment: 'There are no stupid questions, only idiots who don't know how to shut up!' (btw, your question was quite sound, IMHO)
[02:23] <mwh_> umh I cant change the volumen with the gnome volume applet
[02:23] <ermo^away> daniels, ;)
[02:23] <mwh_> and I cant change the settings, its says no mixer is available
[02:24] <daniels> mwh_: ok
[02:26] <xukun> how can I choose a different resolution than 800x600?
[02:27] <xukun> by Screen Resolution there is only 800x600 and 640x480
[02:27] <mwh_> xukun, you will have to change the XF86Config file
[02:27] <mwh_> im not sure if there is a tool for it
[02:28] <mwh_> you can search the file its in /etc/X11
[02:28] <mwh_> for 800x600
[02:28] <mwh_> then just put some other resolution in there
[02:28] <mwh_> 1024x768 for example
[02:28] <xukun> mwh_: I see thanks
[02:35] <MitchXbox> hello
[02:35] <seek187> hi
[02:37] <SMut> Hello! Great distro so far - the first one which worked fine with my JVC MP XV-941 laptop neatly together!
[02:38] <SMut> Unfortunately I'm a KDE user normally so I'd like to know if it will be possible to get KDE running?
[02:39] <mjr> SMut, it is possible; kde is available in the (unsupported) universe repository
[02:39] <mjr> ...or you can see if you'll get used to gnome ;)
[02:39] <Riddell> SMut: I have some KDE 3.3 packages
[02:40] <SMut> mjr, THX - Gnome isn't that bad, really :-)
[02:40] <Riddell> SMut: "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main
[02:40] <Riddell> SMut: requried hoary
[02:43] <SMut> Riddell, THX I'll check it out!
[02:46] <_axel> hi, im trying to setup sound on a laptop, alsamixer shows a detected device 'Via 8235 Realtek ALC202 Rev 0' but the gnome mixer shows no sound devices found
[02:46] <linux_mafia> omfg, the banner ads at www.linuxsecurity.com are those "get the facts" microsoft ones that say linux is more expensive than MS server, lol
[02:47] <daniels> linux_mafia: yes, and also at linuxtoday.com
[02:47] <_axel> and i cant get any sound, and alsaconf does not seem to be installed... any hints?
[02:47] <linux_mafia> haha
[02:47] <mjr> _axel, hmm, might you not have snd-mixer-oss loaded?
[02:47] <mjr> (and snd-pcm-oss)
[02:48] <_axel> mjr: they seem to be loaded
[02:48] <_axel> i have snd-
[02:48] <mjr> ok, well, I'm out of guesses
[02:48] <_axel> snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
[02:48] <xukun> !nis
[02:48] <_axel> and snd_pcm
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> just like sex, software is better when it's free - it just has a higher TCO
[02:49] <ermo> lol
[02:50] <ninehrcoma> _axel: you have a problem with sound?
[02:50] <_axel> ninehrcoma, yup
[02:51] <ninehrcoma> what is the prob
[02:51] <_axel> ninehrcoma, alsamixer shows it found the card but the gnome mixer cant find any
[02:51] <ninehrcoma> no tabs in the mixer?
[02:51] <_axel> yup
[02:51] <_axel> rather, an error popup
[02:51] <Lowry> later
[02:52] <_axel> no mixer devices found when clicking on 'open volume control'
[02:52] <ninehrcoma> what do you have in /etc/modutils/alsa
[02:53] <_axel> ninehrcoma, i have /etc/modutils/alsa-base which contains 'above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss'
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> try this
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> vi /etc/discover.conf
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> add a line that says
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> wait
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> what audio card do you have
[02:54] <_axel> i think the card IS detected actually
[02:54] <Treenaks> ninehrcoma: not /etc/modules and/or /etc/hotplug/blacklist ?
[02:55] <_axel> via 8235 realtek alc202 or so
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> is this a 2.6 kernel?
[02:55] <_axel> thats a question for me?
[02:55] <Xenguy> ninehrcoma: yes
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> i added to discover.conf
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> skip i810_audio
[02:55] <Xenguy> ninehrcoma: er, by default
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> that is the oss driver for my card
[02:56] <ninehrcoma> Xenguy: exactly, so I don't ever use /etc/modules
[02:56] <ninehrcoma> then I add a file in /etc/modutils called alsa
[02:56] <ninehrcoma> should I paste what i have in mine?
[02:57] <ninehrcoma> keeping in mind it is for an intel i810 card, you simply replace the module specific stuff with the alsa modules for the via card
[02:57] <xukun> Hmm after upgrading to hoary, I get this error every time I restart X. "No volume control elements and/or deveces found
[02:57] <xukun> anybody know what this means
[02:57] <_axel> i wish
[02:58] <Treenaks> ninehrcoma: never load oss drivers
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> i dont, but initially it did
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> and i had to stop it so that alsa would work properly
[02:58] <_axel> so the prob is oss getting in the way?
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> _axel: would you like me to email you what i did?
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> not sure that people want me cutting and pasting into the chat here
[02:59] <_axel> ninehrcoma, please
[03:01] <mwh_> Hi, im having problem getting sound on my laptop, I updated ubuntu and now it seems to load the correct module, im getting a click-sound from the speaker at least, umh but when alsactl wants to restore its soundsettings it says no soundcard was found
[03:01] <mwh_> can it be that the chipset is only supported by OSS and not by Alsa?
[03:02] <mwh_> how can I use oss instead of alsa?
[03:05] <xukun> How can I bring old onboard sound card and network to life in ubuntu?
[03:07] <vincent> hi! I have a problem compiling gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:07] <jdub> why are you compiling it?
[03:08] <BugS> hi
[03:08] <vincent> cannot exec cc1plus : No such file....
[03:08] <vincent> to get mp3 working!
[03:08] <BugS> i cant start openoffice on my fresh installed ubuntu
[03:08] <jdub> vincent: install it
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: you can just install it..
[03:08] <vincent> is it in synaptic?
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:08] <vincent> ooh
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: always look for packages first
[03:08] <BugS>  $ openoffice
[03:08] <BugS> OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz
[03:08] <BugS> running openoffice.org setup...
[03:08] <BugS> setup failed (code 0).. abort
[03:08] <BugS> ---- Please read /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz for known problems -----
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: you might need to enable the 'universe' repository
[03:09] <vincent> I'm not used with apt-get
[03:09] <vincent> ok
[03:09] <vincent> where?
[03:09] <BugS> i saw the readme, and i couldnt find a sollution
[03:09] <Treenaks> vincent: apt-get is the same as synaptic, but for command line people
[03:09] <Treenaks> vincent: you can also search for it in synaptic
[03:09] <vincent> I understood
[03:09] <xukun> I even can see my onboard sound and network card in lspci(old system)
[03:09] <vincent> conflict error when running both! ;)
[03:09] <xukun> any idea's?
[03:10] <Treenaks> vincent: no conflict.. it's just that some people prefer one, and some the other
[03:10] <vincent> when you run apt-get, if synaptic is opened, there's a error message!
[03:10] <vincent> ;)
[03:11] <mvo_> you can't run both at the same time :)
[03:11] <vincent> yep
[03:11] <mvo_> but otherwise they mix fine
[03:11] <vincent> :)
[03:11] <vincent> yep
[03:11] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[03:12] <xukun> I think I need isapnptools, but apt-get does not show, where can I find this?
[03:13] <vincent> how to enable 'universe'?
[03:13] <BugS> can anyone help me?
[03:14] <vincent> not me... i'm so noob
[03:14] <vincent> :)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> BugS: you installed with synaptic or apt-get?
[03:15] <seek187> vincent, in synapic go to  Settings > Repositories and check both the greyed out entries
[03:15] <seek187> then hit the reload button
[03:15] <BugS> thoreauputic: installed it by default, from the cdrom.. then it didnt worked and i tried to dpkg-reconfigure it
[03:16] <BugS> but still the same problem
[03:17] <xukun> seek187: do you how I can install my isa sound card?
[03:17] <seek187> mmm, not sure sorry
[03:17] <TrasMontano> Hello evby !!
[03:17] <thoreauputic> what happens if you run    oowriter  ?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> BugS: ^^^^
[03:18] <BugS> same:
[03:18] <BugS> $ oowriter
[03:18] <BugS> OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz
[03:18] <BugS> running openoffice.org setup...
[03:18] <BugS> setup failed (code 0).. abort
[03:18] <BugS> ---- Please read /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz for known problems -----
[03:18] <TrasMontano> anybody as compiled his kernel succefully ???????
[03:18] <TrasMontano> I386 !
[03:18] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: one question mark is enough, and please don't shout
[03:18] <xukun> seek187: I need isapnptools I think but apt-get cant find it, this is becouse of the sources.list I think
[03:18] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: and yes, poeple have successfully compiled their kernels
[03:19] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: please take the time to read up on "kernel-package" (the Debian and Ubuntu way of building kernels)
[03:19] <seek187> xukun, , yes thats why just do what I had vincent do
[03:19] <mwh_> hi, its me again, im still having trouble with my sound
[03:20] <thoreauputic> BugS: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org
[03:20] <mwh_> I dont have an /dev/dsp
[03:20] <BugS> thoreauputic: did that, twice
[03:20] <thoreauputic> BugS: :(
[03:20] <Treenaks> mwh_: /dev/dsp is OSS, ubuntu uses ALSA and ESD
[03:21] <wu_ming> hi anyone know how to get chinese inputing to work?
[03:21] <mwh_> Treenaks, okay, alsa cant find my soundcard
[03:21] <TrasMontano> Treenaks: thx it's the emocion...Sorry.  I read the kernel-package, i configured and compiled, but after reboot "kernel panic VFS unable to mount"
[03:21] <jdub> although generally via the oss compat interface, rather than alsa directly
[03:21] <Treenaks> mwh_: tried to figure out?
[03:21] <mwh_> Treenaks, do you know how to enable oss instead of alsa?
[03:21] <xukun> mwh_: which sound card do you have
[03:21] <mwh_> Treenaks, I get a click-sound when the driver for my soundcard is loaded
[03:21] <Treenaks> mwh_: you don't want  that
[03:22] <mwh_> xukun, two secs
[03:22] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: did you select the driver for your root device to be compiled in? if not, did you build the initrd?
[03:22] <mwh_> IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[03:22] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: (and, what's wrong with the stock kernels?)
[03:22] <mwh_> snd_atiixp sound driver loaded
[03:23] <mrjive> when i do a dpkg-reconfigure xsever-xfree86 questions about monitor and resolution are not asked anymore, anybody knows why?
[03:23] <TrasMontano> Treenaks: i compiled the driver and i tryied with a initrd, same problem
[03:23] <mwh_> Treenaks, but if oss works with the card?
[03:23] <tseng> mrjive: because ubuntu is modified to probe the monitor instead where possible
[03:23] <TrasMontano> unregonized block (0,0)
[03:23] <mrjive> tseng: is there a way to re-probe monitor?
[03:23] <Treenaks> mwh_: you want alsa, really
[03:24] <mrjive> since i moved this pc to another place with a better monitor...
[03:24] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: well, don't know
[03:24] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: just use a stock kernel then
[03:24] <tseng> mrjive: xresprobe
[03:24] <mwh_> Treenaks, how to get it to recognize my snd-card then?
[03:24] <mrjive> tseng: ok thx
[03:25] <TrasMontano> Treenaks: what is a stock kernel ?? precompiled?
[03:25] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: yes the one ubuntu came with
[03:25] <Treenaks> mwh_: well, the driver loaded, so it is recognised
[03:25] <Treenaks> mwh_: maybe you're having an interrupt problem? (cat /proc/interrupts, look for your sound card)
[03:25] <TrasMontano> ok i want High memory support and ntfs writing
[03:26] <xukun> mwh_: what does cat /proc/asound/cards show?
[03:26] <mwh_> --- no soundcards ---
[03:27] <mwh_> Treenaks, cant seem to find my snd-card there
[03:28] <mrjive> tseng: where can i find doc about xresprobe? if i launch it: Driver must be specified.
[03:28] <xukun> mwh_: try alsaconf
[03:28] <jdub> mrjive: what kind of card do you have?
[03:29] <Treenaks> mwh_: what does dmesg say? /proc/interrupts?
[03:29] <vincent> Thank you Seek187 !!!!
[03:29] <Treenaks> mwh_: what kind of motherboard?
[03:29] <vincent> ;)
[03:29] <seek187> vincent, np :)
[03:29] <mrjive> jdub: i'm trying it on another machine now... i was just testing how it works
[03:29] <vincent> MUSIC!!!!
[03:29] <vincent> :D
[03:29] <jdub> mrjive: what's your video card?
[03:30] <mrjive> jdub: anyway the videocard i have to use it is a ati 9200
[03:30] <jdub> mrjive: ok, type 'xresprobe radeon'
[03:30] <jdub> if you have the proprietary driver installed,
[03:30] <daniels> 'sudo xresprobe radeon'
[03:30] <jdub> 'xresprobe fglrx'
[03:30] <daniels> jdub: ... even if he does
[03:30] <jdub> yeah, sudo helps )
[03:30] <jdub> ;)
[03:30] <daniels> jdub: sudo xresprobe radeon is still good
[03:30] <jdub> daniels: oh? handy
[03:30] <mrjive> jdub: do you know ati radeon 9200 to work fine with ati video drivers?
[03:31] <jdub> they do
[03:31] <mrjive> jdub: i did not find radeon among modules, only ati or vesa ,,,
[03:31] <mrjive> i mean proprietary drivers
[03:33] <daniels> jdub: yeah
[03:34] <daniels> jdub: it's just used if you need to do a panel probe or something equally non-ddc that involves starting x
[03:34] <daniels> jdub: something you can do without 3d ;)
[03:34] <daniels> mrjive: yeah, it works fine with the proprietary drivers, but also works fine with the free driver called 'ati'
[03:35] <mrjive> daniels: but with ati it has no 3d...?!
[03:35] <mrjive> ehi mako :)
[03:35] <daniels> mrjive: should work fine
[03:36] <mwh_> xukun, I dont have alsaconf installed it seems
[03:36] <mrjive> another thing: my HD seems to go to sleep very very often... can i disable this?
[03:36] <Treenaks> mwh_: alsaconf is deprecated, hotplug should load everything
[03:36] <Treenaks> mwh_: try booting with noapic
[03:36] <mwh_> Treenaks, I will
[03:37] <mwh_> Treenaks, how can I find out what motherboard im using .. is it the chipset you want?
[03:37] <mwh_> Treenaks, its from ati thats for sure
[03:38] <xukun> I can see a lot of info after doing pnpdump but I dont know which modules to use for my sound and network cad
[03:38] <Treenaks> mwh_: paste the output of lspci -v on pastebin.com
[03:38] <Treenaks> xukun: those shuold have loaded automatically
[03:39] <Zimpee_t> so
[03:39] <mrjive> Elwood: :P
[03:39] <Elwood> yes
[03:39] <Elwood> me
[03:39] <xukun> Treenaks: I have no sound and my second 3com network card is not there?
[03:39] <mwh_> Treenaks, it should be posted now
[03:40] <Treenaks> xukun: IRQ problems?
[03:40] <Treenaks> mwh: it seems to be on irq 169
[03:40] <mwh_> pci -v Fri 12th Nov 14:39
[03:40] <mwh_> aha
[03:40] <Treenaks> mwh_: so maybe the ati driver is broken for those APIC-interrupt-stuff things
[03:41] <xukun> Treenaks: cat /proc/interrupts does not show anything
[03:41] <mwh_> Treenaks, same as cardbus
[03:41] <xukun> is reboot reeded after installing isapnptools
[03:41] <Treenaks> mwh_: ah it's a laptop?
[03:41] <mwh_> Treenaks, yes
[03:41] <Treenaks> xukun: you don't need isapnptools anymore, that's 2.2 kernel work
[03:41] <Treenaks> xukun: new drivers should just hotplug
[03:42] <Treenaks> mwh_: ah.. ok
[03:42] <Treenaks> mwh_: those are notoriously harder.. don't know :(
[03:42] <Zimpee_t> i have tried to install mplayer with Gui, ./configure --enable-gui says:  ... Checking for GUI ... yes Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages... But they are installed. but have different versions. i tried to install each, it said, that it will remove 450mb, the whole system i think. I can do nothing. help
[03:42] <mwh_> Treenaks, is there something I should take care of then?
[03:42] <xukun> Treenaks: that is what everybody is saying but then where is my sound card and network which are onboard?
[03:43] <Treenaks> mwh_: try booting with noapic
[03:43] <mwh_> ok bbl
[03:43] <xukun> Treenaks: its an old p3 system
[03:43] <Treenaks> xukun: what does 'lspnp' tell you?
[03:43] <Treenaks> xukun: does it show the cards?
[03:43] <xukun> Treenaks: sec
[03:44] <Treenaks> uh
[03:46] <Zimpee_t> somebody? mplayer?
[03:48] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:49] <ironwolf> Zipmpee_t: I hear mplayer is in multiverse, though I haven't apt-get'd it yet.
[03:49] <Zimpee_t> apt-get doesn't work i think
[03:50] <Zimpee_t> ironwolf, synaptic can't see it
[03:51] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, i can't see help for this problem
[03:51] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: it explains how to install mplayer.
[03:51] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: really, reat it.
[03:53] <ironwolf> In Hoary if I don't have ACPI does it mean I can't get the battery monitor (laptop)?
[03:53] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[03:53] <Treenaks> ironwolf: yes
[03:54] <stodge> Anyone aware of an Ubuntu package for wxGlade?
[03:54] <ironwolf> treenaks: thanks.
[03:54] <mwh_> umh pci=noacpi did not help?
[03:54] <mwh_> neither did noacpi
[03:54] <Treenaks> acpi != apic
[03:55] <Treenaks> it's noapic or pci=noacpi
[03:55] <stodge> noapic nolapic?
[03:55] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, can you show me, where they solve my problem?
[03:56] <mwh_> Treenaks, eh I did a pci=noacpi I think
[03:56] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: "How do I install DVDCSS/etc. or other legally questionable packages?"
[03:56] <mwh_> Treenaks, and one just with noacpi
[03:56] <Treenaks> mwh_: pci=noacpi is not the same as noapic.. try booting with noapic nolapic
[03:56] <Treenaks> mwh_: "a p i c" vs "a c p i"
[03:57] <mwh_> nolapic?
[03:57] <spiritz> I messed up with synaptic and hoary updates. Grub do not find my kernel anymore. How can I go back in my system to reinstall the kernel properly? I tried to type 'rescue' with warty's cd but nothing happens. What would u do?
[03:58] <stodge> noapic disables "buggy APIC" code apparently, and is sometimes recommended when trying to install with older or fussier hardware. THat's what I read anyway!
[03:58] <Treenaks> mwh_: it disables the local apic as well
[03:58] <Treenaks> mwh_: wikipedia has definitions if you want them
[03:59] <mwh_> Treenaks, okay so its liek this noapic nolapic
[03:59] <mwh_> not pci=noapic
[03:59] <Treenaks> mwh_: yes
[03:59] <mwh_> ok ill try
[03:59] <clee> mako_: so the CDs are here
[03:59] <clee> mako_: and they are indeed sexy
[04:00] <jujimufu> hey
[04:00] <jujimufu> i have a problem with ubuntu.
[04:00] <Treenaks> clee: they've arrived? where on the planet are you? :)
[04:00] <clee> Treenaks: Westford, MA, USA
[04:00] <Treenaks> clee: USA would've been enough :)
[04:00] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, it doesn't mean any in connection with gui and libpng. and the trouble is that i have different versions of libpng and libpng-dev
[04:00] <Treenaks> clee: anyway.. I hope my CDs will be there as well (.nl)
[04:00] <jujimufu> I can't install it.
[04:00] <jujimufu> I can't install ubuntu linux 4.10
[04:00] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: you wanted mplayer right?
[04:00] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, yes
[04:00] <Treenaks> jujimufu: please be more specific
[04:01] <jujimufu> it stops at 40%
[04:01] <jujimufu> It didn't actually stop, but it wouldn't continue.
[04:01] <spiritz> None of you is able to help me with my kernel? I'm clueless
[04:01] <jujimufu> It was still, at 40% for about 3 hours...
[04:01] <stodge> CAn anyone view the Ubuntuforums site properly? All I see is HTML code and not the site contents.
[04:01] <spiritz> jujimufu : you should check the cdrom integrity with md5 files
[04:02] <daniels> stodge: works for me
[04:02] <jujimufu> i got the cdrom from a magazine.
[04:02] <xukun> ok this are my network card and sound card: Crystal WDM Audio
[04:02] <stodge> Hmmm odd
[04:02] <spiritz> swith to the console with ctrl+alt+f1/2/3/4/... and look what's being installed
[04:02] <spiritz> and what's the error
[04:03] <spiritz> Is there no "rescue" mode in Ubuntu?
[04:03] <mwh_> nolapic and noapic, did not make a difference :(
[04:03] <jujimufu> i dunno.
[04:03] <mwh_> alsa still cant find my snd-card
[04:03] <Kamion> jujimufu: 40% of what?
[04:03] <Kamion> jujimufu: i.e. what dialog?
[04:03] <mwh_> spiritz, yes I think there is
[04:03] <jujimufu> So, after I find the exact error ,what should I do?
[04:03] <mwh_> spiritz, linux single
[04:03] <spiritz> mwh_ : how do you get use it?
[04:03] <Kamion> jujimufu: tell me what it is
[04:03] <stodge> Damn I must have screwed up my file associations in Konq
[04:04] <mwh_> spiritz, when yoiu but up you can boot into single mode
[04:04] <Kamion> spiritz: not really unfortunately
[04:04] <spiritz> mwh_ : then I should type linux single in grub configuration ?
[04:04] <George^Deka> Hi all
[04:05] <Kamion> spiritz: as said, there's a recovery mode once you have an installed system (press Escape, you'll see it on the menu); using the CD as a rescue disk is *possible* but really requires you to be an installer part-expert
[04:05] <mwh_> Treenaks, do you have some good ideas I could try out?
[04:05] <jujimufu> 40% of the installation.
[04:05] <jujimufu> the one called "installing the ubuntu base"
[04:05] <jujimufu> or something like that.
[04:05] <Kamion> you mean "Installing the Ubuntu base system"
[04:06] <Kamion> jujimufu: alt-f3 should show you what it's currently doing
[04:06] <erik> hey, is the warty X server capable of non-cloned dualhead?
[04:06] <Kamion> and what's the text below the progress bar? it should say "unpacking <package name>" or something similar
[04:06] <erik> I'm having a bitch of a time getting it going
[04:06] <erik> on a dual-head matrox g400
[04:06] <spiritz> Kamion : ok thanks for ur answer. I saw the Recovery Mode in the grub list but since I broke the kernel it won't start neither (it says it can't find the kernel file). Is there a tutorial somewhere to get in the rescue mode with the CD?
[04:07] <mjr> erik, it is
[04:07] <spiritz> erik : sure, it's XFREE.
[04:07] <erik> hm
[04:07] <mwh_> spiritz, I think ubuntu should have added a rescue target to grub
[04:07] <erik> I'm using a config file from a debian box that had dualhead working :/
[04:07] <mjr> erik, if you're still around in an hour or two, I can send you my old dual-head G450 config for reference
[04:07] <erik> mjr: that'd be pretty sweet
[04:07] <George^Deka> trying to install warty when i am booting into the second step i get the following errors:   modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (path to pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted   - modprobe: FATAL: error inserting shpchp (path to shpchp.ko) Operation not permitted
[04:08] <erik> I'll probably clobber it into working before then but if not I'll be desperate :)
[04:08] <mwh_> spiritz, try knoppix
[04:08] <mjr> or well, just gimme an e-mail address and I'll send it when I get where the box is
[04:08] <mjr> yea, can't hurt to have a backup ;)
[04:08] <spiritz> mwh_ : as a rescue boot disk?
[04:08] <erik> msg sent
[04:08] <Kamion> spiritz: approximately: run through the installer UI up to the *beginning* of the partitioning stage (at which point nothing has yet been written to the disk), switch to tty2, create whatever mount points you want, mount the partitions you want, chroot into them
[04:09] <spiritz> Kamion : awesome, thank you I'll that
[04:10] <spiritz> do that
[04:10] <George^Deka> Can anyone please shead any light on my issue
[04:10] <George^Deka> trying to install warty when i am booting into the second step i get the following errors:   modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (path to pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted   - modprobe: FATAL: error inserting shpchp (path to shpchp.ko) Operation not permitted
[04:10] <stvn> George^Deka: nothing to worry about
[04:11] <George^Deka> well it wont boot past that
[04:11] <stvn> odd
[04:11] <Treenaks> George^Deka: it could take some time to go past that
[04:12] <George^Deka> its been sitting there for like 5 minutes
[04:12] <Kamion> George^Deka: boot in the way I mentioned to spiritz above, add those two modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist in the filesystem you just installed
[04:12] <George^Deka> ill reboot it, this time may have been in recovery mode hoping that might get it
[04:13] <Kamion> oh, you can boot with init=/bin/sh too
[04:13] <mwh_> spiritz, yes
[04:13] <mwh_> bbl
[04:18] <George^Deka> Kamion: how do i boot with init=/bin/sh
[04:21] <spiritz> press E when you see grub
[04:21] <Kamion> George^Deka: get to the grub menu (press Escape to do that if necessary), move the cursor to the Ubuntu option, press e, follow the on-screen instructions to edit the kernel command line, add " init=/bin/sh" to the end, press b to boot
[04:21] <George^Deka> so i edit the kernel line
[04:22] <spiritz> ye
[04:22] <spiritz> s
[04:22] <spiritz> Kamion : I made it and mounted the partition. Now you told me 'chroot' into them, I didn't get that, what does that mean?
[04:26] <George^Deka> Kamion: how do i get the permisions to edit the blacklist file ?
[04:28] <spiritz> sudo vi blacklist?
[04:29] <George^Deka> did not seem to work spiritz cause i have not got passed the 2nd stage
[04:30] <xukun> why cant I do alsaconf in ubuntu?
[04:31] <Gwildor> anyone here today?
[04:36] <Kamion> George^Deka: you're root, you should have them already. make sure the partition is mounted read-write ('mount -n -o remount,rw /')
[04:36] <Kamion> spiritz: well, it kinda depends what kind of rescue task you're trying to perform ...
[04:36] <dewey> Gwildor: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx we all sleeping
[04:40] <George^Deka> Kamion: thanks for that but it still gets no where - now the last thing i see is hotplug
[04:41] <lemsx1> hello all
[04:41] <George^Deka> Now when booting i get nothing after starting hotplug
[04:43] <mirak> I just realised that the ati drivers where removed because they depends of Xfree86
[04:43] <mirak> can this drivers work with xorg ? or is it just a dependcies problem ?
[04:46] <mjr> probably a dep problem
[04:48] <mirak> mjr: you mean I can fix the deps from the source package ?
[04:49] <mrjive> is there a way to know if cds i ordered have already been shipped?
[04:50] <eclipse> anyone knows the password to su?
[04:50] <mirak> eclipse: sudo -s
[04:51] <mirak> eclipse: or sudo passwd root
[04:51] <eclipse> i know but i'm trying to run k3bsetup and it wants the password to su
[04:51] <Kamion> eclipse: it'd be pretty silly of us to ship a distribution with a default root password that everyone knew, wouldn't it? :)
[04:51] <daniels> eclipse: so run 'sudo k3bsetup'
[04:51] <Kamion> eclipse: there isn't one unless you set it yourself.
[04:51] <daniels> eclipse: but run 'touch ~/.ICEauthority' first
[04:52] <eclipse> ok thnx
[04:53] <eclipse> daniels, what does "touch ~/.ICEauthority" do?
[04:53] <mirak> is someone good in autmount ?
[04:53] <deFrysk> man touch
[04:53] <daniels> eclipse: it will make your desktop actually work and let you log in after you've run sudo k3bsetup
[04:54] <daniels> provided you run it before you run sudo k3bsetup
[04:57] <eclipse> by the way, anyone knows if there's a patch for Flash?
[04:59] <spacey`ki> eclipse, what kind of patch?
[05:00] <eclipse> well, flash is jerky when i try to run a game
[05:02] <eclipse> try this game and see what happens http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[05:04] <George^Deka> i stuffed up installing the packages, does anyone know what packages get installed on the standard system - is there a meta-package to install
[05:04] <noda> I installed xcompmgr from http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr. Now my X (on an ATI Radeon mobility 9000) runs very slowly. Is there anything I can do?
[05:05] <noda> Oh, and how do I get drop-shadows? :)
[05:06] <ironwolf> for irda support, I modprobe irda ircomm ircomm-tty, then I was trying to irdadummp to find my palm and it's not finding anything. hints/howto?
[05:06] <daniels> noda: um, you can rewrite X's acceleration architecture to make it quick
[05:06] <daniels> short of that, nothing
[05:07] <eclipse> how come i can't install kcontrol?
[05:08] <noda> daniels: Damn :(. Would it be better if ATI's binary drivers worked with x.org?
[05:10] <supos> uhm, anyone know what's the deal with Gnoppix and the Ubuntu live cd?
[05:11] <ironwolf> supos: huh?
[05:13] <supos> ironwolf: yeah, on the gnoppix page it says that gnoppix is based on ubuntu lcd, and that gnoppix and ubuntu is working together
[05:16] <eclipse> how do u disable some of the start-up processes?
[05:17] <ironwolf> ubuntu live cd = gnoppix currently for all intents and purposes.
[05:17] <agenteo> is there a translation tool (or plugin) in Ubuntu? Like a babelfish... but on my desktop
[05:17] <xuzo> hi
[05:17] <xuzo> there is any ubuntu live cd for ppc arch?
[05:17] <daniels> noda: nope
[05:18] <lamont_r> xuzo: patches welcome. :-)
[05:18] <lamont_r> xuzo: seriously though, I understand that's a feature goal for hoary
[05:18] <daniels> noda: aside from the fact the 9200 isn't a screamingly quick card, using Composite guarantees you the slowest possible path through X's acceleration architecture
[05:19] <xuzo> lamont: i have access to some g3/g4/g5 ppc machines
[05:19] <xuzo> lamont_r: some to "tool" to build it?
[05:19] <lamont_r> xuzo: that'd be the part that needs to be hashed out, I believe.
[05:19] <VoodooTux> sorry in advance for lowering the level of discussion in here, but does Ubuntu install with a default root password, or have I just entered a root password at some point and then forgotten about it?
[05:19] <lamont_r> the actual packages are the same as the ones on the install CD
[05:20] <ironwolf> VoodooTux: ubuntu disables root by default, it uses sudu.
[05:20] <xuzo> lamont_r: are you on development team?
[05:20] <VoodooTux> how do i make use of sudu?
[05:21] <lamont_r> xuzo: yes
[05:21] <lamont_r> ironwolf: sudo, dammit
[05:21] <eclipse> how do u disable some of the start-up processes?
[05:21] <ironwolf> VoodooTux "sudo command to be run" or "sudo -s"
[05:21] <noda> daniels: Oh, I was under the impression Composite was meant to make things fast and pretty :)
[05:21] <xuzo> lamont_r: then if I can build some CD, can I contact you?
[05:21] <spiritz> is there an ATI video card owner using X.org around?
[05:21] <VoodooTux> ok, thanks guys
[05:21] <noda> spiritz: Aye. Works great except when xcompmgr is installed :)
[05:21] <lamont_r> I'm not actually the liveCD guy, but I am the buildd guy...
[05:22] <spiritz> noda : which ati driver driver are u using?
[05:22] <lamont_r> so the liveCD build process will eventually run on "my" machines.
[05:22] <noda> spiritz: Whatever the default is
[05:22] <arthurr> X.org crashed on my 9200
[05:22] <ironwolf> shouldn't buildd generate the LiveCD? ;)
[05:22] <xuzo> lamont_r: ok, next week I will try to do some tests
[05:22] <spiritz> noda : well, I tried to get one from ATI.com but it seems that they only support XFREE
[05:23] <noda> spiritz: I don't use hardware acceleration. X.org's 2d drivers are fine
[05:23] <spiritz> hehe ok, since I paid for a nice video card I'd like to use it a little bit
[05:23] <xuzo> noda: I have an ati card, and new features like shadows seems to be very slow without 3d accel
[05:24] <lamont_r> ironwolf: that's why I build it... :-)
[05:24] <noda> xuzo: How do you make shadows show up? :)
[05:24] <xuzo> noda: xcompmng
[05:24] <xuzo> xcompmgr sorry
[05:24] <noda> xuzo: I installed it but I see now shadows (and it's very slow)
[05:24] <spiritz> xuzo : so you've been unable to install ATI drivers too?
[05:25] <noda> spiritz: Those won't work until ATI releases them.
[05:25] <xuzo> spiritz: yes, drives compile, but X.org crashes
[05:25] <xuzo> they say something like: incompatible module
[05:25] <sanitario> *whine* when is the ubuntu-calendar-november due?
[05:26] <spiritz> damn Ati sucks, because of their stupid policy I must stick to Xfree or get a slow xwindow with X.org
[05:26] <hussein> hello
[05:26] <Despair> ATI claims they'll have xorg support in their next release.
[05:26] <hussein> is anyone around?
[05:26] <spiritz> Despair : how long ago did they claim that?
[05:26] <hussein> I have a comment about ubuntu's installation process...
[05:26] <Despair> spiritz: yesterday.
[05:26] <spiritz> sounds good
[05:27] <hussein> I was wondering if any developers were here...
[05:27] <spiritz> Does ati release new drivers every week or so like nvidia detonators?
[05:27] <hussein> and...uhm....
[05:27] <wasabi> ubuntu is awesome. period.
[05:27] <hussein> but...
[05:27] <Despair> spiritz: They've not done a great job of living up to claims, particularly about their OpenGL support. So as usual, it's a wait and see.
[05:27] <Despair> spiritz: no, about every 1-2 months.
[05:27] <stvn> hussein: there are, but if you really want you comment to be heard it's better to file a bug
[05:27] <Kamion> hussein: yes?
[05:28] <hussein> well, I was installing ubuntu on a pc on my uni LAN
[05:28] <hussein> and I only have a 10.x.x.x IP
[05:28] <hussein> when asking whether I wanted to download stuff from the internet
[05:28] <hussein> It didn't ask me whether I wanted to use a proxy for apt
[05:28] <hussein> debian doesn't do this
[05:29] <hussein> so it just hung
[05:29] <xuzo> lamont_r: packages in x86 liveCD have any tweak for... laptop support ?
[05:29] <hussein> I guess it tried to do an apt download
[05:29] <Kamion> hussein: yeah, there are some proxy glitches, there are some bug filed about it
[05:29] <Kamion> bugs
[05:29] <lamont_r> hussein: if you cannot talk to archive.ubuntu.com, then it asks for a proxy, or should
[05:30] <hussein> well it was taking an awfully long time to timeout...
[05:30] <Kamion> hussein: I suggest running at a lower debconf priority level
[05:30] <lamont_r> xuzo: don't think they do
[05:30] <hussein> Kamion, uhm, how?
[05:30] <Kamion> backing up to the second stage main menu should do it, I imagine
[05:30] <eclipse> can u install .rpm files under ubuntu?
[05:30] <Kamion> eclipse: not directly; use alien
[05:30] <eclipse> alien?
[05:31] <lamont_r> apt-get install alien
[05:31] <Kamion> hussein: I think the problem is that whoever configured your network made things timeout rather than just rejecting them, which basically sucks
[05:31] <eclipse> how come there's no mplayer in ubuntu?
[05:31] <Kamion> lamont_r: it's installed by default
[05:31] <lamont_r> eclipse: hoary multiverse
[05:31] <Kamion> eclipse: we prefer not to get sued
[05:31] <lamont_r> Kamion: ah, even better
[05:32] <xuzo> last question :P, can ubuntu install directly on a firewire disk?
[05:32] <hussein> Kamion : my whole network sucks, as do my sysadmins, though there is little I can do with either
[05:32] <eclipse> lol...thanx lamont_r
[05:32] <Kamion> hussein: unfortunately we lost the proxy battle to the "thou shalt have fewer installer questions" rule :)
[05:33] <Kamion> xuzo: not on powerpc, because yaboot's ofpath program doesn't understand them; not sure about other architectures
[05:34] <xuzo> ok
[05:34] <hussein> sigh
[05:34] <hussein> it sucks to have third-world internet
[05:34] <arthurr> Is there an way to integrate the computer menu into the applications menu? I have a small screen and it takes up a unnecessary big part of my only panel
[05:34] <hussein> debian pretty much dies on sucky internet
[05:34] <Kamion> we'll try to fix that proxy bug for hoary, it's an annoying one
[05:35] <scumle1> does anybody know how to setup an aztech1008 sound card?
[05:36] <scumle1> any guide? help? advice?
[05:36] <sanitario> Kamion: do you know anything about when ubuntu-calender-november will appear?
[05:36] <Kamion> sanitario: I thought it already had
[05:37] <sanitario> Kamion: hm... weirdness...
[05:37] <Kamion> sanitario: note that addressing individual developers about stuff you don't know to be in their sphere of interest is generally a bad idea, though :)
[05:37] <Kamion> sanitario: I think it's in warty-updates, which may not be in your sources.list by default
[05:37] <sanitario> Kamion: yeah, I know, sorry
[05:38] <sanitario> Kamion: oh, thanks for the tip
[05:39] <eclipse> anyone in here knows a lot about mplayer?
[05:39] <hussein> eclipse, I do
[05:40] <eclipse> great
[05:40] <hussein> (hehe, well, not "a lot")
[05:40] <hussein> but I'll try to help
[05:40] <eclipse> ok, i have amd cpu and when i run mplayer it says 3DNow is supported but disabled
[05:40] <eclipse> how to i enable it?
[05:40] <hussein> how'd you compile it
[05:41] <eclipse> ok, how do i do it?
[05:41] <hussein> did you get the binary from someone?
[05:41] <hussein> or did you compile it yourself?
[05:41] <eclipse> no i got the binary thru apt-ge
[05:41] <hussein> oh
[05:41] <eclipse> apt-get
[05:41] <hussein> then it won't optimize for your cpu
[05:42] <eclipse> cause i want full performance out of mplayer
[05:42] <eclipse> so i should download the source and compile it?
[05:42] <lamont_r> eclipse: actually, if you have a P4 machine, warty multiverse has an mplayer that'll work.  any other i386 cpu, and well, life sucks
[05:43] <maz1977> hi all
[05:43] <eclipse> damn...that suc
[05:43] <eclipse> sucks
[05:43] <maz1977> shuld I post some questions?
[05:43] <eclipse> well, can u enable it in the conf file?
[05:43] <lamont_r> eclipse: that was what got fixed in hoary. :-(
[05:43] <hussein> well eclipse, you can compile it yourself
[05:44] <eclipse> ok
[05:44] <eclipse> maybe i should do that
[05:44] <lamont_r> probably best
[05:44] <eclipse> can u give the command to compile it for amd cpu?
[05:44] <hussein> uhmmmmm
[05:44] <hussein> unpack the source
[05:44] <eclipse> ok
[05:44] <hussein> ./configure --help should show you the options available
[05:44] <WW> maz1977: Just ask
[05:45] <hussein> usually you'll want --enable-gui
[05:45] <eclipse> ok
[05:45] <hussein> ./configure --enable-gui
[05:45] <hussein> there are others too, you might want to look at
[05:45] <hussein> after that it's just make and make install
[05:46] <Gavrila> hi there
[05:46] <maz1977> It's the first time I use a debian dist, I work with redhat normally
[05:46] <Chewie> Hi
[05:46] <maz1977> I have some question about debian packages
[05:46] <scumle1> maz1977: and how do you feel?
[05:47] <scumle1> maz1977: I mean, how are you managing it?
[05:47] <Gavrila> how would you set up your home email system having many accounts to deal with, and only one pc for everyday use?
[05:47] <Chewie> Do you know if the X.org packages work on a Debian sid?
[05:48] <maz1977> I'm try to find where files are
[05:48] <scumle1> maz1977: for example?
[05:49] <aitrus> will the nVidia drivers be updated for Warty?
[05:49] <Kamion> nothing will be updated for warty apart from security fixes
[05:49] <maz1977> list of installed packages?
[05:50] <scumle1> maz1977: I think you should install Aptitude package, it will help you
[05:51] <maz1977> ok. right. Install aptitude. mmm how? apt-get install aptitude?
[05:51] <mustang03> Hello all...quick ubuntu question: With the default apache2 install, what config file has the redirect to /apache2-default?
[05:51] <scumle1> obviously :-)
[05:51] <Kamion> maz1977: aptitude is installed by default.
[05:51] <scumle1> marvellous
[05:51] <scumle1> maz1977: just run aptitude, then
[05:52] <mustang03> I want to access the root of my server at http://localhost/ but it redirects to http://localhost/apache2-default/ and I can't find the config file that points to that
[05:52] <maz1977> ok find
[05:52] <WW> In gFTP, is the "FTP" protocol actually secure FTP?  I.e. like running sftp from the command line?
[05:52] <bratsche> We keep getting all these non-1.0 updates for Firefox.
[05:52] <Kamion> it's in Debian, so shouldn't take long now
[05:53] <scumle1> mustang03: I think it was in httpd.conf, if I'm not wrong
[05:53] <bratsche> All these 0.99+PR1.0 versions are really broken on amd64.  That's why I want the 1.0 release.
[05:53] <Kamion> they've been working fine for me on amd64
[05:53] <maz1977> scumle1: I have download a .deb file. How can I install it?
[05:53] <Kamion> is there a particular fix in 1.0 you know about?
[05:54] <mustang03> scum...I checked there....in apache2, httpd.conf is only a placeholder
[05:54] <mustang03> any other thoughts?
[05:54] <bratsche> I've been told that 1.0 doesn't have all these amd64 crashers.
[05:54] <scumle1> maz1977: dpkg -i package.deb
[05:54] <bratsche> I guess I could just install from tarball and find out.
[05:54] <tmp> anybody having problems listening to radio on rhythmbox?
[05:54] <bratsche> tmp: Yes.
[05:55] <maz1977> scumle1: thanks
[05:55] <scumle1> ;-)
[05:55] <bratsche> tmp: Rhythmbox just freezes, yes?
[05:55] <tmp> bratsche: yeah m8
[05:55] <WW> Anybody?  gFTP = secure FTP?
[05:55] <tmp> bratsche: is there any fix for that?
[05:56] <bratsche> tmp: I don't know yet.
[05:56] <xuzo> WW: with secure FTP are you telling sftp?
[05:56] <bratsche> tmp: Are you on x86 or amd64?
[05:56] <maz1977> ALL: why root is disabled?
[05:56] <Kamion> bratsche: we support three architectures, not just two ... :)
[05:56] <Kamion> maz1977: see the FAQ
[05:56] <tmp> bratsche: ubuntu-ppc
[05:56] <WW> xuzo: I'm using gFTP, and it has an FTP option. I'd like to know if that is "secure" FTP, like running sftp from the command line.
[05:57] <bratsche> Sorry.
[05:57] <mustang03> Has anyone managed to remove the redirect to /apache2-default?
[05:57] <Kamion> sftp really doesn't have much to do with FTP
[05:57] <xuzo> WW: nautilus can use sftp protocol
[05:57] <tmp> bratsche: thx anyways, atleast i'm not just me
[05:58] <WW> I guess my question is about gFTP.  Is the FTP protocol in gFTP secure?
[05:58] <bratsche> tmp: I'll try to ask around.
[05:59] <Xenguy> WW: AFAIK gftp has a secure 'sftp' option - but you should get a 2nd opinion on this to make sure :-)
[06:00] <bratsche> tmp: Someone told me there was an issue with this, but they thought it turned out to be gnome-vfs related.
[06:01] <tmp> bratsche: cheers m8. is there beep, the xmms gtk2, available? i don't know its pkg name
[06:01] <Kamion> beep-media-player I think
[06:02] <tmp> aha, cheers buddy.
[06:04] <bratsche> I'm getting debugging information to the rhythmbox guys to see if they can help us out here.
[06:04] <[Miles] > hi
[06:05] <Telep> I'm trying to install Monkey Journal (from source), and the configure script complains that it cannot find "pygtk-2.0"... what can I do? I checked that the python-gtk stuff should be installed
[06:05] <tmp> bratsche: nice, can i help in anyway?
[06:06] <bratsche> I got a gdb bt now and I'm trying to figure out what to do with it.
[06:07] <bratsche> Like who to send it to or whatever.
[06:08] <scumle1> Telep: and it's the right version? the one that your source package is looking for?
[06:10] <tmp> bratsche: i 'm looking through the bugzilla now ...
[06:10] <bratsche> Anything interesting?
[06:11] <tmp>  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140355
[06:13] <maz1977> who needs help to apache2 default?
[06:14] <NanoTek> re
[06:16] <tmp> bratsche: i think its a gstreamer related problem , rhythmbox has problems syncing with an online radio playlist
[06:17] <bratsche> tmp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156789 might be the same bug we are experiencing.
[06:17] <tmp> bratsche: i would look into the code if i could , but ... :P all those C programs scare the hell outta me :P
[06:17] <bratsche> No, that's not the same bug we have.
[06:17] <wasabi> I'm having a problem with my clcok applet.The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet". Details: Failed to resolve, or exten ... continued
[06:19] <tmp> bratsche: nope , its not the smae
[06:21] <cocaxx> hi
[06:21] <bohrbug> Does anyone have experience using ubuntu as server only? I consider upgrading from Debian Woody
[06:21] <cocaxx> does ubuntu use x.org as the default X?
[06:22] <wasabi> cocaxx: not yet.
[06:22] <cocaxx> wah
[06:22] <cocaxx> okay
[06:22] <wasabi> cocaxx: it is available in Hoary. It's apt-get installable.
[06:22] <wasabi> But, it's not part of Warty.
[06:22] <cocaxx> hmm
[06:22] <tmp> bratsche: i installed streamtuner and beep-media-player, now i can listen to radio , yay
[06:23] <tmp> streamtuner uses xmms by default, but just replace that in preferences
[06:23] <JDahl> bohrbug, I would stick with kernel 2.4 for a server
[06:24] <JDahl> bohrbug, and ubuntu is a great desktop distro - but (in my opinion) debian/testing is better for a server
[06:24] <bohrbug> JDahl: I see, but I have been waiting and waiting for Sarge to come out
[06:24] <scumle1> has anybody been able to setup a aztech1008 sound card?
[06:25] <maz1977> some great software to burn dvd?
[06:25] <bohrbug> JDahl: I could do that of course, just use Testing
[06:25] <Kamion> wasabi: X.org is the default in Hoary, mind you.
[06:25] <tmp> bratsche6666666666666666666666666666666: i installed streamtuner and beep-media-player, now i can listen to radio , yay
[06:26] <tmp> shit , sry
[06:26] <bratsche> tmp: Cool.
[06:26] <bratsche> I'll try it out.
[06:26] <bratsche> I still want to see rhythmbox get fixed, of course.
[06:26] <tmp> bratsche: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153393 . "Bug 153393: Rythmbox crashes when trying to play any radio station"
[06:27] <bratsche> tmp: That is not our bug though.
[06:27] <tmp> yeah??
[06:27] <bratsche> No.
[06:27] <mbb> I noticed that my laptop does a hard disk access every few seconds, even when it's been just sitting for a while. Why, and how do I stop that?
[06:28] <bratsche> tmp: Ours doesn't crash, it freezes.  That's why I thought that other bug (the one that says infinite loop) was ours.
[06:28] <tmp> bratsche: yeah, u r right!
[06:28] <bratsche> tmp: But if you run "rhythmbox -d" then we get different output from the infinite loop bug I posted earlier.  That's how I knew it wasn't ours.
[06:28] <Zugwrack> Guys I used synaptic to install the smp kernel for my G4...dmesg now has this message...device-mapper: error adding target to table
[06:28] <Zugwrack> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:29] <eclipse> damn it's so easy to compile mplayer under ubuntu
[06:30] <tmp> bratsche: i tried it, it stops here ... "[0x100d8788]  [rb_player_sync_pipeline]  rb-player-gst.c:627 (17:13:50): syncing pipeline, [0x100d8788]  [rb_player_sync_pipeline]  rb-player-gst.c:669 (17:13:50): PAUSING pipeline"
[06:32] <bratsche> tmp: It doesn't actually crash though.  The program is still running, and if you get the PID from ps then you can use gdb to attach to the process.
[06:33] <lamont_r> daniels: hehe - ironwolf wants to have your love child... :-)
[06:33] <Protege6181984> I need help installing Nvidia Nforce drivers
[06:34] <NanoTek> you have a howto on ubuntuforums.org
[06:34] <zez> hello
[06:34] <Protege6181984> ty
[06:35] <NanoTek> Protege6181984, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:35] <NanoTek> Section 2
[06:35] <zez> I'm trying to install xcdroast and I can't seem to find it with apt-get.  what is the package called or what is another way to burn a cd?
[06:36] <mbb> has anyone here played with 'gparted' on ubuntu?
[06:38] <Bader> hi
[06:38] <Mirv> any idea if this's a known problem: hda=120GB, hdc=DVD-ROM, hdd=80GB.. hdd gives 30 seconds of errors while booting and mounting /dev/hdd1 hangs. booting from SUSE boot disk (kernel 2.6.5) works fine, as it worked with the SUSE 9.1 over which I installed Ubuntu?
[06:38] <Protege6181984> I need help installing Nvidia NFORCE drivers, the motherboard drivers NOT the video drivers. Can anyone help?
[06:38] <Bader> how to specify to the instal program to use my actual partitions, and only formatting them?
[06:39] <zez> Bader, just delect the partition and it willgive you options as to what you want to do.  It confused me too
[06:39] <zez> select
[06:39] <Mirv> I mean, accessing /dev/hdd(1) works fine with others in non-Ubuntu. Anyway, disconnecting the DVD and placing the 80GB drive to /dev/hdc (master) gets the hdd working again.
[06:40] <Bader> zez: but he says me to delete them...
[06:40] <skar> hi, is there any good rss reader software with minimize to tray feature?
[06:40] <Mirv> it's a bit scary that a hard disk stops working after installing Ubuntu
[06:41] <Mirv> (i'm searching the forums etc. at the same time here)
[06:41] <tmp> zez, apt-get install xcdroast
[06:41] <Bader> zez: thx, I'll try it..
[06:41] <zez> tmp:  I did and it said it doesn't exist
[06:41] <skar> and after changing /etc/environment, how do i apply it without restarting?
[06:41] <zez> Package xcdroast is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:42] <Zugwrack> How do I go about finding out what is causing this output from dmesg? device-mapper: error adding target to table
[06:42] <Zugwrack> zez: Do you have the repository that the file comes from enabled?
[06:42] <Mirv> the errors were things like this: kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x7f { DriveReady DeviceFault SeekComplete DataRequest CorrectedError Index Error }
[06:45] <eclipse> where do i go to get <libpng>?