[06:05] <thegreatone2176> daniel i installed waht you said and i get the same error message
[06:05] <spikeb> Poprocks, yes it is
[06:05] <crimsun> Poprocks: it is a compressed format
[06:05] <spikeb> Poprocks, larger files
[06:05] <thegreatone2176> daniels read what i said 3 lines above
[06:06] <crimsun> Poprocks: on the default setting, it's about 60-70% of the size of wav files
[06:06] <crimsun> Poprocks: certain types of files compress more easily
[06:06] <ubuntu> <IP_ADDRESS> does anybody know who this belongs to & why it's in my logs
[06:06] <Poprocks> I see
[06:06] <buu> Now next question: how do I change the ctrl-alt-f1 hot key to switch to my virtual terminal 1 out of the x server to alt-f1 ?
[06:07] <scoon> thanks crimsun
[06:08] <ubuntu> has anybody else notice this IP address in there logs <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:08] <ubuntu> I just installed?
[06:08] <spikeb> i need to get myself a rio karma :)
[06:09] <crimsun> scoon: np
[06:09] <spikeb> hmm, they only seem to have one size
[06:09] <thegreatone2176> im getting this erro
[06:09] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: The X toolkit library '-lXt' could not be found.
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   Please use the configure options '--x-includes=DIR'
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   and '--x-libraries=DIR' to specify the X location.
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   See the files 'config.log' and 'ddd/config.log'
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   for further diagnostics.
[06:10] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: libxt-dev
[06:10] <ubuntu> my computer has just been hacked I've only had ubuntu loaded for half an hour
[06:10] <thegreatone2176> dude
[06:10] <thegreatone2176> an extra ip isnt a hack
[06:10] <thegreatone2176> just whois the ip
[06:10] <ubuntu> what is it?
[06:10] <crimsun> ubuntu: what logfile is this from?
[06:10] <ubuntu> last -i
[06:10] <ubuntu> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:11] <ubuntu> it's from the states
[06:11] <crimsun> ubuntu: as what user?
[06:11] <buu> ubuntu: Dude, you totally got pwned. You should pull all of the cables out of the back of the machine and run away immediately.
[06:11] <ubuntu> leafless
[06:11] <crimsun> ubuntu: please tell me leafless's passwd is not "leafless".
[06:11] <ubuntu> it's my default login name
[06:12] <ubuntu> no it's not
[06:12] <ubuntu> should I reinstall
[06:12] <crimsun> if you're absolutely sure you've been compromised, sure
[06:12] <ubuntu> or just give up on ubuntu
[06:13] <crimsun> though your first step should be analysis
[06:13] <crimsun> you should think of all the places from which you've logged in
[06:13] <thegreatone2176> hmm unbuntu didnt get you "hacked"
[06:13] <thegreatone2176> your non-firewall non-secure system didnt
[06:13] <thegreatone2176> and its probally someone scanning you
[06:13] <crimsun> did someone log in remotely to help you with something?
[06:14] <ubuntu> nothing
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> another error
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: The Motif include file 'Xm/Xm.h' could not be found.
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   Please use the configure options '--with-motif-includes=DIR'
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   and '--with-motif-libraries=DIR' to specify the Xm location.
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   See the files 'config.log' and 'ddd/config.log'
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   for further diagnostics.
[06:14] <ubuntu> I did the usual security updates during install
[06:14] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: lesstif-dev
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> your great crimsum
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> thanks man
[06:14] <crimsun> np
[06:16] <ubuntu> maybe I should use the bug report
[06:16] <broodster> hey
[06:16] <stuNNed> is mplayer still broken in hoary?
[06:16] <broodster> for apache
[06:16] <crimsun> what sort of bug would you file, and against what package?
[06:16] <broodster> how do i change my port?
[06:16] <ubuntu> last
[06:16] <broodster> cuz my isp blocked port :80
[06:17] <crimsun> ubuntu: you mean against 'sysvinit'?
[06:17] <broodster> me?
[06:17] <phyberoptix> change your port in apache?
[06:18] <ubuntu> I would file it against last sysvinit, saying it is giving false remote logins
[06:18] <buu> I got to Computer -> system config -> resolution, and it's only displaying 3 resolutions, 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, at some crap refresh rate. How do I get it to recognize the better modes my monitor is capable of?
[06:19] <crimsun> ubuntu: that's a very serious bug report
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> ddd finally installed :)
[06:19] <crimsun> ubuntu: I would first make sure I have a solid iptables configuration activated
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> now crisum wahts the easiet way to make it run\
[06:19] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: to make 'ddd' run?
[06:19] <ubuntu> did that
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> well any app
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> whats the quickest way
[06:20] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: ...just execute an app
[06:20] <buu> Anyone have any ideas?
[06:20] <crimsun> ubuntu: are you positive? it doesn't sound like you've done sufficient analysis
[06:21] <crimsun> ubuntu: for instance, /var/log/auth.log should corroborate that
[06:21] <ubuntu> what else should I check?
[06:21] <crimsun> buu: those are the modes and refresh rates reported as supported by your monitor and agreed by your video chipset
[06:21] <ubuntu> crimsun: I will just check that
[06:21] <crimsun> buu: are you using warty or hoary?
[06:22] <thegreatone2176> almost done just want to get the firewall installed but heres an error
[06:22] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnome-2.0 >= 2.0.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.0.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.6.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   libglade-2.0 >= 2.3.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CON
[06:22] <buu> crimsun: Warty, and those definately aren't all the modes supported.
[06:22] <crimsun> buu: what graphics chipset and driver?
[06:22] <buu> crimsun: Maybe it's a video card issue?
[06:23] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: what precisely are you attempting to build?
[06:23] <thegreatone2176> umm i just got unbutu last night and im just want  a few things installed
[06:23] <buu> crimsun: I've got a gf4ti4400 in there, I'm not sure if it's been installd properly or not.
[06:23] <thegreatone2176> and there is alot of extra libraries
[06:23] <thegreatone2176> and i paste iin here what i cant find on google
[06:23] <buu> er, s/installed/proper drivers from ubuntu/
[06:23] <crimsun> buu: are you using 'nvidia'?
[06:24] <thegreatone2176> all ive asked about is ddd and now firestarter
[06:24] <thegreatone2176> and thats all i need
[06:24] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: do you have 'universe' repo enabled?
[06:24] <thegreatone2176> hmm i was told to make it main
[06:25] <buu> crimsun: The "Module" section doesn't list either nv or nvidia, the section Driver says: Driver "nv"
[06:25] <thegreatone2176> but why would that matter .... i still need to know what to install
[06:25] <vladster> finally a live body
[06:25] <crimsun> buu: Section "Module" is irrelevant. Change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[06:25] <buu> Ok.
[06:25] <crimsun> buu: you'll want to familiarize yourself with the IgnoreEDID option.
[06:26] <vladster> what fool logged in as root to access the net?
[06:26] <buu> "Failed to load modula nvidia (module does not exist)"
[06:26] <crimsun> buu: read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[06:26] <crimsun> buu: did you install nvidia-kernel-common, linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`, and nvidia-glx?
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           <IP_ADDRESS>      Tue Dec 28 22:41   still logged in
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           <IP_ADDRESS>      Tue Dec 28 22:20 - 22:41  (00:21)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           <IP_ADDRESS>      Tue Dec 28 22:18 - 22:19  (00:01)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           <IP_ADDRESS>      Tue Dec 28 22:06 - 22:15  (00:08)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           <IP_ADDRESS>      Tue Dec 28 21:53 - down   (00:11)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           <IP_ADDRESS>      Tue Dec 28 21:43 - down   (00:07)
[06:27] <buu> crimsun: Doing so now.
[06:27] <crimsun> root_: please use pastebin.com for floods, not the channel itself.
[06:27] <buu> Done and done.
[06:27] <crimsun> root_: thank you.
[06:27] <root_> sorry
[06:28] <buu> And resolution is still only saying 1024x768 =/
[06:28] <root_> I just was trying to show the channel my logs
[06:28] <crimsun> buu: read about the option I just told you about
[06:28] <vladster> root_: I suggest you log in as user than leave you box open as a root user
[06:28] <crimsun> root_: please /msg crimsun with the output of `who'
[06:29] <vladster> accessing the net as a root user leaves you open to an attack
[06:29] <vladster> finally got streamripper running properly
[06:30] <buu> crimsun: Er, do I need to run the nvidia-installer? I thought the apt-get took care of that.
[06:30] <vladster> I don't think it installs it
[06:30] <buu> Really?
[06:31] <crimsun> buu: you just need to able glx
[06:31] <vladster> that may have to be run when xserver is shutdown
[06:31] <crimsun> buu: read the BinaryDriver howto on the wiki
[06:31] <buu> eh
[06:31] <crimsun> ubunt1: and you've not been hacked.
[06:31] <buu> Wiki is at...?
[06:31] <crimsun> ubunt1: my last(1) output shows something similar for logins from :0
[06:32] <ubunt1> it's a bug then?
[06:32] <crimsun> yes
[06:32] <crimsun> but I don't believe it's against 'sysvinit'
[06:32] <ubunt1> I should report it
[06:32] <crimsun> have you checked bugzilla for the 'login' package?
[06:33] <ubunt1> I should worry about it, no I haven't
[06:33] <vladster> streamripper is doing a nice log
[06:33] <buu> "No search results were found for BinaryDriver"
[06:33] <crimsun> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:33] <vladster> I am right now getting the linux show so I can review it from the archives
[06:34] <buu> Simle enough
[06:34] <buu> IT's giving me a 404..
[06:34] <method55-laptop> are there any graphic designers/ web designers here?
[06:35] <method55-laptop> semi-professional/professional
[06:35] <crimsun> buu: umm...I'm looking at it right this instant...
[06:35] <buu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[06:35] <thegreatone2176> why method
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> i know html php sql
[06:36] <vladster> http://www.legaltorrents.com/ this is a link to where you can download music that is licensed under the creative commons
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> but
[06:36] <buu> "Our apologies, the item you requested does not exist"
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> this isnt the place
[06:36] <method55-laptop> i mean involving grpahic design etc
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> dont spam their channel
[06:36] <method55-laptop> i have a question about being a webdesigner using linux
[06:36] <method55-laptop> its relavent
[06:36] <buu> Weird..
[06:37] <thegreatone2176> hmmmm ive downloaded like 25 extra libraries today is it always supposed to be like this?
[06:37] <buu> ....
[06:37] <buu> crimsun: Lower case t.
[06:37] <snerfu> yes
[06:38] <crimsun> buu: we both pasted lowercase 't'
[06:38] <crimsun> ;)
[06:39] <buu> crimsun: I can't paste, I was typing an uppercase T =/
[06:40] <buu> crimsun: Yes, I've got nvidia working, I get the splash screen when I start X, but still only showing 3 resolutions.
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> ok since firestarter wont start i tryed this ftp i was recommended and got this error
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: You have GLIB 2.0 installed but I cannot find GTK+ 2.0. Run configure with --disable-gtk20 or install GTK+ 2.0
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> and i ran with disabl
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> then it said i needed a higher level glib
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> so it was pointless
[06:41] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: did you check to see if firestarter is available for you?
[06:41] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: paste the output of `apt-cache policy firestarter' on pastebin.com
[06:41] <crimsun> meh, I'll just build a warty chroot
[06:42] <buu> crimsun: No joy.
[06:43] <crimsun> buu: what resolution do you want?
[06:43] <buu> crimsun: 1940 or 1600
[06:43] <thegreatone2176> http://pastebin.com/134366
[06:43] <crimsun> then create a modeline for it using `gtf'
[06:44] <thegreatone2176> me?
[06:44] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: you could have saved yourself the trouble by just using `sudo apt-get install firestarter'
[06:44] <LinuxNIT> i have a fresh install of ubuntu and i was wondering if i can get the root user and su working like it does in other debian distros?
[06:44] <buu> crimsun: Erm, where do I put it?
[06:44] <crimsun> buu: the generated modeline goes in Section "Monitor"
[06:44] <buu> crimsun: Danke.
[06:45] <buu> LinuxNIT: sudo passwd root
[06:45] <LinuxNIT> ok thanks
[06:45] <buu> crimsun: I don't suppose theres a good way to stick it in there?
[06:46] <crimsun> buu: come again?
[06:46] <buu> crimsun: Well, it just prints the modeline to stdout, I need to insert it in the middle of my XF86 config file right?
[06:46] <crimsun> buu: just generate the modeline(s) you want and place them in /etc/X11/XFree86.0.log (Warty) [or in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Hoary)]
[06:46] <crimsun> err
[06:47] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for Warty
[06:47] <crimsun> then restart gdm, of course
[06:47] <buu> Ok
[06:47] <buu> Option "DPMS"
[06:47] <buu> modeline blah blah
[06:48] <crimsun> as long as it/they is/are in your Section "Monitor"
[06:48] <buu> Ok.
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> ok i apt-get firestarter and it installed
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> but
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> i get this when i run it
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter as user root:
[06:48] <thegreatone2176>  Child terminated with 1 status
[06:48] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: did you read /usr/share/doc/firestarter/* ?
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> nope i will now .. id dint even know to read taht
[06:49] <broodster> anyone know how i can configure the port of apache?
[06:49] <crimsun> broodster: check the system-wide httpd.conf?
[06:49] <drspin> could anyone tell me why sound on quake3 doesn't work?? it's always just worked for me... I can play sound for everything else...
[06:49] <crimsun> drspin: what sound chipset?
[06:49] <broodster> how do i check it ?
[06:50] <crimsun> broodster: best to google; I'm not an apache guru, sorry.
[06:50] <buu> broodster: It's in etc/apache/httpd.conf
[06:50] <broodster> o
[06:50] <broodster> thx
[06:50] <buu> The line looks like" port 80"
[06:50] <buu> It's heavily documented.
[06:50] <buu> crimsun: No joy I'm afraid.
[06:51] <crimsun> buu: did you add the IgnoreEDID option?
[06:51] <crimsun> buu: did you prepend your generated modelines to the Modes list?
[06:51] <buu> crimsun: I did not do anything invovling IgnoreEDID, where might I read about this?
[06:52] <crimsun> buu: in the file I mentioned above.
[06:52] <buu> And I just put the output of gtf below the last line in the Section "Monitor"
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[06:52] <crimsun> I really, really did mention that file for a reason.
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> i get "ped_filesystem_call" error in qtparted.
[06:52] <shambal1> somebody speak spanish
[06:53] <buu> You are referring to the nvidia-glx/README.gz yes?
[06:53] <crimsun> yes.
[06:53] <drspin> crimsun EMU10K1 driver... SB Live! Digital
[06:53] <crimsun> drspin: is snd-pcm-oss loaded?
[06:54] <nicedreams> how can i open quake in another virtual desktop?  I know about 'xinit -- :1' but i want to launch quake3 app
[06:54] <drspin> OSS?? I thought ubuntu used ALSA
[06:54] <drspin> ------- sound initialization -------
[06:54] <drspin> /dev/dsp: No such device
[06:54] <drspin> Could not open /dev/dsp
[06:54] <drspin> ------------------------------------
[06:54] <nicedreams> drspin: it does use alsa
[06:54] <crimsun> drspin: quake3 uses OSS
[06:54] <crimsun> drspin: it has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[06:54] <drspin> but I have /dev/dsp
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone here use QtParted ?
[06:54] <nicedreams> ?
[06:54] <nicedreams> quake3 ?
[06:54] <crimsun> drspin: um, either you or quake3 is lying
[06:55] <nicedreams> lol
[06:55] <gen> da_bon_bon, yeah
[06:55] <drspin> LOL
[06:55] <nicedreams> how to i launch quake3
[06:55] <nicedreams> in another desktop
[06:55] <buu> crimsun: I read the document and added: IgnoreEDID "0"; to the "Section Device'
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> gen: u get somne "ped_filesystem_call" error ?
[06:55] <gen> no
[06:55] <crimsun> buu: wrong, you need to use "1" or "true"
[06:55] <buu> Oh.
[06:55] <buu> Duh, sorry.
[06:55] <gen> da_bon_bon, what are you trying to do, and when do you get the error
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> gen: it works without data damage or loss ?
[06:56] <buu> It still errors with "IgnoreEDID is not a valid keyword in this section"
[06:56] <drspin> %ls /dev |grep dsp   // "adsp; adsp1; dsp; dsp1;"
[06:56] <broodster> is there a command
[06:56] <thegreatone2176> crisum the docs of firestarter didnt ahve anythingimp that i saw
[06:56] <broodster> to see my ip?
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> gen: i just repartition - dont even commit just change to see.. and it gives the error
[06:56] <thegreatone2176> what did i miss
[06:56] <buu> It's the last line in Section "Device"
[06:56] <crimsun> buu: I don't think you read it closely
[06:56] <crimsun> broodster: for which interface?
[06:56] <buu> crimsun: It said put it in the Device section..
[06:56] <gen> repartition what
[06:56] <broodster> terminal
[06:57] <crimsun> buu: Option      "IgnoreEDID" "true" ?
[06:57] <gen> being a little more specific would be nice bon
[06:57] <crimsun> buu: that's in my Section "Device"
[06:57] <crimsun> broodster: that's not a network interface
[06:57] <broodster> o
[06:57] <broodster> well how do i see my ip?
[06:57] <buu> crimsun: Oh. I didn't realize the "Option" was required.
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> gen: i repartition my vfat on /dev/hdc using knoppix. just change, i donot commit too. after i decrease the size, it gives the error
[06:58] <crimsun> buu: please read more closely next time :)
[06:58] <crimsun> broodster: ip addr show dev eth0
[06:58] <buu> crimsun: It doesn't say it is =/
[06:58] <crimsun> buu: um...
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> gen: getting the latest version
[06:59] <crimsun> buu: Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean"  <-- clearly stated in README.gz
[06:59] <broodster> broodster@broodster:/etc $ ip addr show dev eth0
[06:59] <broodster> 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000
[06:59] <broodster>     link/ether 00:0f:ea:44:ae:1e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[06:59] <broodster>     inet6 fe80::20f:eaff:fe44:ae1e/64 scope link
[06:59] <broodster>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[06:59] <buu> crimsun: Yes, it does say that. However, I was interpreting "option" as just a generic description, not a piece of syntax.
[06:59] <gen> da_bon_bon, i still don't understand what you're trying to do, resize? add a partition?
[06:59] <broodster> i use a pppoe connection
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> gen: i just _try_ to resize and it gives the error.
[07:00] <gen> did you google the error
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> gen: no. i downloaded latest and am trying out.
[07:00] <drspin> I loaded snd_pcm_oss and still get no response
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> gen: why does qtparted does not fit on my screen even on 1024x768 ?
[07:01] <buu> crimsun: I modified it, started X, the resolution changer is only showing three resolutions. I pasted my XF86Config at http://pastebin.com/134370
[07:01] <gen> bon, it should be just the yellow bars that make it that way, showing disk space, it is a bit of a bug because it doesn't resize itself
[07:02] <crimsun> drspin: did you load snd-pcm-oss?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> gen: ok. does it happen to u too ?
[07:02] <gen> da_bon_bon, on bigger drives yes
[07:02] <drspin> crimsun : %modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[07:02] <crimsun> buu: you did not do the second part of what I said
[07:02] <drspin> crimsun: if that's how you do it ;)
[07:02] <gen> menus are still fine and you don't need to see anything past the screen
[07:02] <gen> it's just the disk meter
[07:02] <crimsun> buu: note that your Modes lines lack the modeline definition you generated
[07:03] <buu> crimsun: I'm sorry, which mode list are you referring to?
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> gen: ok. thanks. i am trying now.
[07:03] <crimsun> buu: look in Section "Screen"
[07:03] <buu> I see.
[07:03] <gen> be careful messing with it if you aren't sure what you're doing
[07:03] <crimsun> buu: you should preface each list of Modes with the one you generated
[07:03] <gen> it can be dangerous :)
[07:03] <crimsun> drspin: and does it quake3 work now?
[07:03] <buu> crimsun: So Modeline foo \n Depth 1 \n Modes "etc"; ?
[07:04] <drspin> quake 3 will launch but sound does not work - same as it was before...
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> gen: i have used it before. dont i need to unmount disks before changing ?
[07:04] <crimsun> drspin: sudo echo quake3.x86 0 0 disable > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[07:04] <Lathiat2> drspin: yeh that happens, its much better in hoary tho
[07:05] <gen> da_bon_bon, it won't let you do anything to mounted disks anyhow, you said you're doing it off knoppix so they shouldnt be mounted anyway
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> gen: no, currently i am on ubuntu
[07:05] <broodster> how do i find out my ip address?
[07:05] <crimsun> broodster: I just told you above.
[07:05] <drspin> crimsun: "Permission denied"
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> broodster: www.whatismyip.com
[07:05] <crimsun> drspin: sudo?
[07:06] <broodster> yah
[07:06] <drspin> Lathiat2: I'm so confused which one to use -- EMU10K1 has 5000 different sliders :/
[07:06] <crimsun> buu: Modes "1600x1200_60.00" "1024x768" ...
[07:06] <broodster> and i typed out the output
[07:06] <drspin> crimsun: yes, I copied and pasted
[07:06] <metrix> on the install, during the apt-get update process, my network hickuped causing apt-get to die, I hit ctrl-c and now i'm at a prompt
[07:06] <buu> crimsun: Oh.
[07:06] <metrix> how do I start the install process again?
[07:06] <Lathiat2> drspin: heh yeh you'll want to use the "Master" and "PCM" sliders
[07:06] <metrix> or atleast the apt-get update
[07:06] <crimsun> metrix: sudo apt-get update
[07:06] <drspin> Lathiat2: how can I reset them all do their default settings and star tover?
[07:07] <Lathiat2> drspin: uh, you can't really, your sound not working?
[07:07] <calc> what does PCM mean? :)
[07:07] <nicedreams> how do i start a program in a second desktop?  like if i wanted to run a game in a second desktop (ie. ctrl+f)
[07:07] <nicedreams> ctrl + f8
[07:07] <calc> and why do i want to increase that, sounds like something evil
[07:07] <crimsun> drspin: modprobe -r snd_emu10k1 && rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && modprobe snd-emu10k1
[07:07] <crimsun> calc: I'll emerge -funroll-loops you!
[07:08] <drspin> a/asound.state && modprobe snd-emu10k1
[07:08] <drspin> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use.
[07:08] <crimsun> drspin: so close any applications using it.
[07:08] <calc> crimsun: muhahaha
[07:08] <Lathiat2> crimsun: nah you gotta log out of gnome
[07:08] <calc> http://www.funroll-loops.org/ :)
[07:08] <Lathiat2> crimsun: cus gnome-settings-daemon keeps the mixer open
[07:08] <crimsun> Lathiat2: (I know)
[07:08] <drspin> crimsun - no audio is playing
[07:08] <Lathiat2> drspin: you'll have to log out an ddo it from a console
[07:09] <[dksuiko] > how can i recompile my kernel to support fat=32? i tried mounting my fat32 partition with vfat, it displays the root directors, but doesnt know what they are other than the name. I'd like to try with fat=32 (as stated by man mount), but the kernel doesnt support it.
[07:09] <drspin> K brb
[07:09] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : are you moutning it as user?
[07:09] <crimsun> [dksuiko] : use 'vfat'. There is no 'fat=32' mount type.
[07:09] <calc> [dksuiko] : you sure it just didn't let you in the dirs do to permission problem?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> gen: again, "An error happen during ped_file_system_open_call"
[07:09] <buu> crimsun: No go I'm afraid.
[07:09] <crimsun> buu: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin
[07:09] <calc> er s/do/due/
[07:09] <crimsun> brb
[07:09] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : if you mount it as root then try to open it as a user you wont be able to open the directories (depend son the FS, but sounds like thats the problem for you)
[07:10] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : so make an fstab entry and put user in the options then double click it in computer to mount and open it
[07:10] <buu> Oh god this open file dialog is awful.
[07:10] <calc> Lathiat2: or he can just set the make so the dirs get +x
[07:10] <drspin> crimsun: please explain to me what this command will do please
[07:10] <calc> gah i typo lots
[07:10] <calc> Lathiat2: i meant to say mask
[07:10] <broodster> how do i see my ip?
[07:10] <Lathiat2> calc: yer but moutning as user is generally the proper solution
[07:10] <Lathiat2> calc: shows up in computer then as well
[07:11] <drspin> broodster: ifconfig
[07:11] <[dksuiko] > lathiat2: when I mount it, a window opens up showing the folder. all of the root directories are shown, but the type/date modified/octal permissions and all that say unknown
[07:11] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : as user?
[07:11] <buu> crimsun: "Not using mode 1600x1200_60.00" (hsync out of range
[07:11] <broodster> thanks
[07:11] <[dksuiko] > hmm.. i think, it just popped up. heh
[07:12] <[dksuiko] > i mounted it with "Root Terminal"
[07:12] <[dksuiko] > maybe i should try mounting with just the normal terminal
[07:12] <[dksuiko] > if thatll help any
[07:12] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : make a line in /etc/fstab
[07:12] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : /dev/xxx /mnt/blah vfat user 0 0
[07:12] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : save that, then open computer, it'l be in there
[07:13] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : and make sure you unmount the one thats open first
[07:13] <[dksuiko] > k
[07:13] <buu> Ok. Honestly people.  What is this point and click crap
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > k, its in
[07:14] <calc> buu: they want it to be a mac clone
[07:14] <crimsun> buu: ctrl+l
[07:14] <calc> though i've heard rumors 2.10 might get it
[07:14] <crimsun> buu: then type.
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > mount it with "mount /dev/hda5"?
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > wow
[07:14] <buu> crimsun: I love you.
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > it works
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > thanks a lot man
[07:15] <Quenyar> anyone here have experience in configuring ubuntu/debian as network gateway for LAN with DSL on eth0 and LAN on Eth1?
[07:15] <crimsun> Quenyar: plenty.
[07:15] <crimsun> Quenyar: what do you need?
[07:15] <buu> crimsun: pastebin.com/134372
[07:16] <Quenyar> crimsun: when installing, does it automatically detect both ethernet cards and thus install masquerading etc?
[07:16] <crimsun> buu: welp, X isn't lying
[07:16] <crimsun> buu: you just can't use that mode
[07:16] <buu> crimsun: Something is wrong with nvidia or x =/
[07:17] <buu> crimsun: Well, with ubuntu really.
[07:17] <drspin> HAPPY BIRTHDAY CALC!!!
[07:18] <calc> drspin: thanks :)
[07:18] <crimsun> buu: you mean there's something wrong with your conffile
[07:18] <drspin> heh np ;)
[07:18] <crimsun> woo, KDE defector's birthday!
[07:18] <drspin> brb
[07:18] <buu> crimsun: Well, theres something wrong someplace, because I was doing 16x12 on every other OS I ever put on this box.
[07:19] <crimsun> buu: there most certainly is. Look at your HorizSync line.
[07:19] <crimsun> buu: then look at your modeline.
[07:19] <buu> crimsun: Yes?
[07:19] <crimsun> buu: and then kick yourself in the teeth.
[07:19] <Quenyar> crimsun: I'm uncomfortable with configuring iptables by hand and am less than a confident master of the routing commands
[07:20] <crimsun> buu: obviously your modeline's requested hysnc of 74.52 kHz is greater than the >>> 49 <<< max
[07:20] <buu> yeah.
[07:20] <crimsun> so...who inserted the 28-49?
[07:21] <buu> ubuntu
[07:21] <crimsun> file a bug if necessary
[07:21] <calc> my 16x12 is running at 106khz
[07:21] <crimsun> my 1920x1440 is running at -1 kHz!
[07:21] <calc> 49 sounds really low
[07:21] <buu> Yeah.
[07:21] <Quenyar> sounds painfully slow
[07:22] <calc> crimsun: backwards in time?
[07:22] <broodster> is php supported by amd64?
[07:22] <crimsun> Quenyar: there are a variety of iptables tools you can use: there are 'firestarter', 'shorewall', etc.
[07:22] <crimsun> broodster: it's $ARCH-independent
[07:22] <calc> broodster: i see a lot of php packages available on my amd64 arch
[07:22] <buu> crimsun: It is?
[07:23] <crimsun> buu: it is what?
[07:23] <buu> PHP is architecture independent
[07:23] <calc> php is arch: all
[07:23] <buu> interesting
[07:23] <calc> which means indep
[07:23] <buu> ok 49 is ridiculous
[07:23] <buu> I finally got it to go to 16x12 though!
[07:23] <calc> buu: perhaps your nvidia driver lied to the installer
[07:24] <buu> Whats a decent refresh rate?
[07:24] <calc> 85Hz
[07:24] <crimsun> >72 Hz
[07:24] <drspin> ok I'm in a root terminal
[07:24] <drspin> Crimsun: it wouldn't let me remove the file
[07:24] <calc> my poor monitor doesn't do over 85Hz, crimsun's probably does
[07:25] <buu> And we're back to 1024 =/
[07:25] <calc> buu: xfree automatically sets it to the highest available
[07:25] <Quenyar> firestarter looks nice and easy
[07:25] <crimsun> calc: only for <= 1600x1200 :/
[07:25] <calc> at least wrt built in modelines
[07:25] <calc> crimsun: ah
[07:25] <drspin> crimsun
[07:25] <LinuxNIT> can anyone tell me how to get the icons on the descktop smaller. i used the stretch function but they are still like a inch wide. they started out huge
[07:25] <crimsun> drspin: sorry, what file?
[07:25] <drspin> Crimsun: rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/alsa/asound.state': Permission denied
[07:25] <calc> buu: assuming you set the v/h ranges properly it will set it to the best rate by default
[07:25] <broodster> Hmmm, i think somethings wrong iwth my php installation
[07:26] <broodster> everytime i look at testphp.php
[07:26] <drspin> wait...
[07:26] <broodster> it makes me download it
[07:26] <crimsun> drspin: you need root permissions.
[07:26] <drspin> I see the problem hang on
[07:26] <buu> calc: I'm not sure I set it properly.
[07:26] <crimsun> drspin: so use sudo
[07:26] <calc> buu: oh
[07:26] <buu> calc: What's a decent HorizSync?
[07:26] <calc> i can tell you what my ranges are, not sure if yours will be the same
[07:26] <buu> Well
[07:26] <buu> Hopefully I won't blow anything up
[07:27] <calc> actually i don't have set it in xorg.conf at all it detects it at run time
[07:27] <calc> but they are:
[07:27] <broodster> hmm
[07:27] <calc> V 50-160 H 30-121
[07:27] <buu> hrm
[07:27] <broodster> maybe it's cuz the chmod of testphp.php is 644
[07:27] <broodster> could that be the issue?
[07:27] <buu> broodster: It's probably because jesus hates php ^^
[07:27] <calc> buu: hit ctrl-alt-backspace if it doesn't sync
[07:28] <broodster> =p
[07:28] <drspin> crimsun: yes still no sound...
[07:28] <buu> calc: Yeah yeah
[07:28] <broodster> php is revolution =P
[07:28] <crimsun> drspin: does sound work for other apps?
[07:28] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[07:28] <calc> i think only the old fixed frequency monitors can actually get damaged though, anything made in the past 10-15yrs should be ok
[07:28] <drspin> crimsun: all that I have tried
[07:28] <buu> broodster: haha. PHP is de-evolution
[07:29] <buu> calc: Yeah, thats what I'm hoping too =]
[07:29] <broodster> okay well
[07:29] <buu> hRm.
[07:29] <broodster> doesnt change the fact that i wanna get it to work
[07:29] <calc> i remember fighting with my 15" monitor in 1995 and never fried it :)
[07:29] <crimsun> drspin: can you `strace -o foo.txt -f -F quake3'?
[07:29] <buu> I'm getting a bit of a flicker
[07:29] <Quenyar> crimsun:  thanks
[07:29] <calc> since then i let it autodetect or type in the numbers out of the monitor book
[07:29] <buu> 106.7 khz / 85 hz
[07:30] <calc> buu: yep that is what i have
[07:30] <buu> hrm
[07:30] <rituraj> i am getting error Xlib: extension GLX missing on display 0:0 cannot open blender window
[07:30] <rituraj> i am using debian
[07:30] <buu> Do you notice a flicker, particurarly on the default X background?
[07:30] <crimsun> rituraj: ...Debian?
[07:30] <buu> crimsun: Btw, thanks for all the help getting it to work.
[07:30] <rituraj> yep
[07:30] <crimsun> rituraj: why ask in here? :)
[07:30] <calc> buu: the ubuntu background or the grey x background?
[07:30] <rituraj> hmmmm
[07:30] <drspin> crimsun, OK now what?
[07:30] <buu> calc: The grey x one.
[07:30] <rituraj> sorry
[07:30] <calc> dunno haven't seen it in a long time
[07:30] <rituraj> wrong room
[07:30] <buu> heh
[07:30] <calc> may just be moire though
[07:31] <crimsun> rituraj: are you using XFree86 or X.Org?
[07:31] <odyssey> hello ubuntu
[07:31] <crimsun> hi
[07:31] <crimsun> drspin: bzip2 foo.txt
[07:31] <crimsun> drspin: then make it available on a web site for us to inspect
[07:31] <rituraj> actually i am using Ubuntu...
[07:31] <crimsun> rituraj: ...
[07:31] <buu> woah
[07:31] <rituraj> i am talking in blender room too
[07:31] <calc> my monitor in gnome doesn't flicker but it may have higher specs
[07:31] <buu> My monitor *told* me it was "out of scan range"
[07:31] <buu> cool.
[07:31] <drspin> crimsun: no webspace ATM
[07:31] <rituraj> i clicked wrong window
[07:32] <buu> ish
[07:32] <rituraj> sorry
[07:32] <phyberoptix> drspin
[07:32] <phyberoptix> sup
[07:32] <odyssey> im new to .deb system and i wish to remove firefox without removing ubuntu-desktop how do i achieve this. I wish to do this because i have installed firefox 1.0
[07:32] <calc> buu: that means you can probably change the numbers until you find the limit
[07:32] <drspin> phyberoptix, what up
[07:32] <phyberoptix> chilln
[07:32] <buu> calc: Yep =]
[07:32] <drspin> word
[07:32] <crimsun> rituraj: are you or are you not using Ubuntu? If you are, which release?
[07:32] <drspin> any luck with cedega?
[07:32] <buu> crimsun: I don't think he is =]
[07:33] <crimsun> drspin: then paste the uncompressed foo.txt to pastebin.com
[07:33] <buu> odyssey: try: apt-get remove firefox
[07:33] <rituraj> crimson: i AM using ubuntu warty under vmware
[07:34] <crimsun> rituraj: did you follow the BinaryDriverHowto?
[07:34] <rituraj> i said debian becuase i feel ubuntu IS debian
[07:34] <rituraj> no
[07:34] <crimsun> Ubuntu is sourced in Debian, but Ubuntu is most definitely NOT Debian
[07:34] <rituraj> maybe ...but i feel its the same
[07:35] <calc> is ubuntu gentoo?
[07:35] <rituraj> technically
[07:35] <odyssey> buu:But then i get "The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:35] <odyssey>   mozilla-firefox ubuntu-desktop"
[07:35] <gen> calc, stop smoking crack
[07:35] <crimsun> calc: you bet.
[07:35] <phyberoptix> erm
[07:35] <drspin> crimsun: I just had a thought - lemme check it out
[07:35] <phyberoptix> drspin there is a folder on the ftp server with your name on it i added 12more
[07:35] <odyssey> does ubuntu-desktop matter?
[07:36] <buu> Who knows! Remove it and find out!
[07:36] <odyssey> shit does anybody know anything in here...
[07:36] <spikeb> odyssey, it doesn't appear to.
[07:36] <crimsun> odyssey: it's a 'safe' package that's removed when one installs non-supported packages
[07:36] <crimsun> odyssey: it's safe to remove.
[07:36] <spikeb> odyssey, i've removed that package many times with no harmful effects yet.
[07:37] <buu> Ahh. Flux at 16x12
[07:37] <odyssey> cool thanks spikeb crimsun.
[07:37] <buu> Happiness.
[07:37] <crimsun> odyssey: np
[07:37] <Quenyar> anyone a samba expert?
[07:37] <Quenyar> how about a simple command that will show me the status of services?
[07:38] <phyberoptix> drspin ?
[07:38] <broodster> how come azureus doesnt do anything
[07:38] <broodster> it just freezes on the load screen
[07:38] <crimsun> broodster: did you install a jre as mentioned on the RestrictedFormats page?
[07:39] <siimo> is hoary currently broken? it fails while install python2.4/debconf
[07:39] <gen> isn't hoary always broken? :)
[07:39] <spikeb> it was working last week, besides some python stuff
[07:39] <calc> hoary works fine for me
[07:39] <spikeb> heh
[07:39] <broodster> yes
[07:39] <crimsun> let me dist-upgrade, sec.
[07:39] <nicedreams> when i 'xinit -- :1' i don't get a console window or anything to type in.  Just a backgroud.  How do i fix this?
[07:40] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: where are you using xinit?
[07:40] <siimo> how do i install if that python stuff just exits the installer
[07:40] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: why arent you just logging into gdm?
[07:40] <siimo> isnt debconf a must have package
[07:40] <broodster> broodster@broodster:/etc $  java -version
[07:40] <broodster> java version "1.5.0_01"
[07:40] <broodster> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[07:40] <broodster> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode)
[07:40] <broodster> broodster@broodster:/etc $
[07:40] <nicedreams> to test stuff out in a second desktop and run games in it
[07:40] <crimsun> siimo: seems to work fine here.
[07:40] <crimsun> broodster: PLEASE use pastebin.com for pastes.
[07:40] <Lathiat2> broodster: please dont flood more than a couple lines, see the pastbin
[07:40] <siimo> crimsun, well its broken here
[07:40] <gen> broodster, did you point the azureus config file to java
[07:40] <siimo> as of 1 min ago
[07:41] <broodster> hmm
[07:41] <spikeb> there were only  four lines there
[07:41] <zenrox> still that quilfies as a flood
[07:41] <nicedreams> when i 'xinit -- :1' i don't get a console window or anything to type in.  Just a backgroud.  How do i fix this?
[07:41] <gen> zenrox, yeah thanks for the info, we weren't quite sure
[07:41] <spikeb> yeah one less line and you'd still be bitching, but have no grounds eh?
[07:41] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: i repeat, why are you using xinit?
[07:42] <zenrox> gen,  n/p
[07:42] <zenrox> hehehe
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: why are you not logging into gdm, or at least using startx?
[07:42] <drspin> phyber - thanks --- sorry working on getting my sound working for Q3A
[07:42] <nicedreams> i am using gdm
[07:42] <nicedreams> i want a second desktop
[07:42] <nicedreams> for other apps
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: tried the virtual desktops?
[07:42] <nicedreams> like games or if i want to try another desktop
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: otherwise, you want to start -- :1
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: not xinit
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: but gnome breaks if your logged in twice (i think)
[07:42] <nicedreams> i just want X with a terminal
[07:42] <siimo> crimsun, did you distupgrade or clean install
[07:43] <nicedreams> it doesn't show the terminal like normal
[07:43] <Gaaruto> hi
[07:43] <crimsun> siimo: dist-upgraded
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: its not normal for xinit to display a terminal
[07:43] <nicedreams> oh
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: xinit is what it says, intializes X
[07:43] <crimsun> siimo: keep in mind that I already had Hoary running
[07:43] <nicedreams> how can i get it to do that so i can launch quake3 in it
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: you'ld have to make a .xsession that starts a terminal
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: but then your normal session will get overrun by that
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: could just do startx -- :1 & and then DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[07:43] <siimo> crimsun, i tried a clean install but it failed while installing python2.4
[07:44] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: how can i start 'quake3' in a second virtual desktop then
[07:44] <drspin> crimsun: s it possible that GNOME is locking /dev/dsp access?
[07:44] <siimo> using archive.ubuntulinux.com
[07:44] <siimo> latest
[07:44] <siimo> net install
[07:44] <Gaaruto> i dont remember how to config xorg to 1024*768, someone to help me please ?
[07:44] <siimo> ill try going from watry to hoary now if that will work
[07:44] <nicedreams> xorgconfigure
[07:45] <broodster> man
[07:46] <broodster> how come my real player doesnt load?
[07:46] <spikeb> hmm
[07:46] <spikeb> mine does
[07:46] <spikeb> heh
[07:46] <broodster> do i have a broken installation or something
[07:46] <broodster> nothing seems to work
[07:46] <crimsun> drspin: lsof /dev/dsp*
[07:46] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: well you cant really switch back and forward from quake3
[07:46] <crimsun> drspin: lsof /dev/snd/*
[07:46] <nicedreams> broodster: probably do then...  it's happened to me before
[07:46] <nicedreams> i do to change volume
[07:47] <broodster> realplayer doesnt work
[07:47] <broodster> php doesnt work
[07:47] <nicedreams> i use ctrl+alt+f1
[07:47] <nicedreams> and alsamixer
[07:47] <broodster> none of my java apps seem to work
[07:47] <phyberoptix> can someone do me a favor?
[07:47] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: i have fluxbox running in it now
[07:47] <nicedreams> that will do i guess
[07:47] <phyberoptix> goto http://phynet.sytes.net:82
[07:47] <drspin> crimsun: nothing for /dev/DSP
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: for /dev/snd/* you can see the results in #flood
[07:48] <nicedreams> how do i find out how much ram a program is taking?  like i want to see how much ram fluxbox is using.
[07:49] <crimsun> drspin: those are just for the mixer, which is normal and does not affect quake3.
[07:49] <nicedreams> drspin?
[07:49] <nicedreams> alsamixer works fine for me
[07:50] <stuNNed> damn, anyone running gnomad2 on ubuntu unstable?
[07:50] <broodster> yah i didnt insstall my java properly
[07:50] <broodster> grgrgrgrgrgrgr
[07:50] <broodster> lol
[07:50] <broodster> might as well format
[07:51] <crimsun> huh?
[07:51] <crimsun> why would you format over a java issue?
[07:51] <stuNNed> yeah
[07:52] <spikeb> phyberoptix, it timed out for you
[07:52] <phyberoptix> =\
[07:52] <phyberoptix> i was trying to get my webserver on the nix box up
[07:52] <spikeb> \er
[07:52] <spikeb> timed out for ME
[07:52] <phyberoptix> i got my main one up for www.phyberoptix.com
[07:52] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: I switch back and forth from Quake3 and other programs and games with no problem at all
[07:52] <phyberoptix> but its on my winbox
[07:53] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: I just want to switch back to the GUI sometimes to message someone in the middle of a game
[07:53] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: k
[07:53] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: LIke doing ctrl+esc in windows
[07:53] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: cept with quake3 on windows it makes your gamma all fscked when you do that :p
[07:54] <neighborlee> hi peeps....how do I burn from command line ? ( dev=/dev/blah isn't working)
[07:54] <nicedreams> yea
[07:54] <nicedreams> lol
[07:54] <Lathiat2> neighborlee: cdrecord -dev ATAPI:0,0,0 <iso>
[07:54] <phyberoptix> nyte
[07:54] <crimsun> neighborlee: sudo cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdfoo ...
[07:54] <Lathiat2> neighborlee: why not just use cd burner in nautilus, easier?
[07:54] <neighborlee> Lathiat2, I just was curious is all..thx
[07:54] <Lathiat2> neighborlee: ah cool
[07:54] <neighborlee> Lathiat2, but yeah I use nautilus
[07:55] <Lathiat2> crimsuns solution works too i assume
[07:55] <Lathiat2> also if you have more than one cdrom, might need to be 0,1,0 or something (-scanbus) -- or just use what crimsun said :)
[07:55] <crimsun> if it's an ATAPI drive, the /dev syntax is easier
[07:56] <JayeAeotiv> I can't access any partitions on my other hd.  I dont' know what to mount.
[07:56] <stuNNed> is usb support broken in any way in unstable?
[07:56] <crimsun> stuNNed: any more broken than normal? no.
[07:56] <JayeAeotiv> Hi cloudchaser, how are you?
[07:56] <drspin> crimsun: when I start Quake 3... as root or user... I get this... ------- sound initialization -------
[07:56] <drspin> /dev/dsp: No such device
[07:56] <drspin> Could not open /dev/dsp
[07:56] <drspin> ------------------------------------
[07:56] <drspin> eeek - sorry about that :/
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[07:57] <drspin> it's loaded ;)
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: ls -l /dev/dsp
[07:57] <drspin> crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-12-28 17:31 /dev/dsp
[07:57] <stuNNed> crimsun, can't get my usb mp3 player to fire up with gnomad2, it just hangs, and latest isn't in SID yet, which i need as it's a new player
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: as your normal user, execute `groups'
[07:58] <drspin> cole adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[07:58] <Cloudchaser> heya jaye..everyone
[07:59] <crimsun> drspin: did you ever paste that strace output onto pastebin.com?
[07:59] <drspin> I forgot... what is the command?
[07:59] <crimsun> strace -o foo.txt -fF quake3
[08:00] <stuNNed> crimsun, what is the command to make a dep out of a source package?  'make dist' ?
[08:00] <stuNNed> crimsun, dep/deb
[08:00] <jeff2> does Ubuntu support mice in the text-mode console?
[08:01] <crimsun> jeff2: if you have 'universe' repo enabled, install the 'gpm' package.
[08:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: no, it's more complicated than that for some packages.
[08:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: for what application are you attempting this?
[08:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, libnjb
[08:02] <jeff2> crimsun: thanks
[08:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, there is 'debian' subdir
[08:02] <drspin> my com pis crawling - I think fireFTP has a memory leak
[08:02] <drspin> *comp is
[08:02] <siimo> anyone know if statically compiled binaries on a glibc 2.3.4 gcc 3.4.3 system work on a system with glibc 2.3.2 (ubuntu) ?
[08:03] <crimsun> siimo: yes.
[08:03] <crimsun> though I can think of exceptions
[08:03] <drspin> crimsun: ok - it's on pastebin
[08:03] <drspin> well... almost
[08:03] <drspin> :/
[08:04] <drspin> crimsun: no it's not... server error - my paste is too long... h an gon
[08:04] <Gaaruto> hi
[08:05] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:05] <Gaaruto> i cant change xorg, it blocked at 640
[08:05] <Gaaruto> xorgcfg dont work
[08:06] <Gaaruto> i can get 1024
[08:06] <Gaaruto> and i dont remember how to resolv this pb
[08:06] <Gaaruto> :(
[08:07] <Gaaruto> someone here has tell me how to this
[08:07] <crimsun> what graphics chipset?
[08:07] <Gaaruto> someone to help me please ?
[08:07] <Gaaruto> nvidia
[08:08] <Gaaruto> i am under hoary
[08:11] <drspin> Crimsun: http://channels.debian.net/paste/131
[08:11] <drspin> Crimsun - the results of my strace on quake 3
[08:11] <Lathiat2> drspin: whats the problem/
[08:12] <Lathiat2> drspin: sound doesnt play or it freezes at start?
[08:12] <drspin> Lathiat: when quake loads it says it can't access /dev/dsp -- permissions are right and nthing except the mixers are using the audio channels
[08:13] <spikeb> happy birthday to me
[08:13] <drspin> Lathiat2: Oh the game runs fine - just no sound...
[08:13] <Gaaruto> happy birthday spikeb :)
[08:13] <spikeb> t6hanks :)
[08:13] <drspin> Lathiat2: /dev/dsp is chmod 0660
[08:14] <crimsun> drspin: how much RAM is in this box?
[08:14] <drspin> crimsun: 512M
[08:15] <Gaaruto> reboot
[08:15] <warty> cna someone tell me howto play a dvd with totem? I keep gettign an error about plugins
[08:16] <Delta-t> use xine-ui
[08:18] <calc> warty: install totem-xine then libdvdcss
[08:18] <calc> warty: see restricted formats entry on the wiki
[08:18] <warty> ok
[08:18] <warty> using the package manager?
[08:18] <calc> yea
[08:18] <crimsun> drspin: what model sblive?
[08:18] <warty> hum don't see it there
[08:19] <calc> warty: you have to enable universe to get totem-xine
[08:19] <drspin> SB Live! Digital (OEM in my dell)
[08:19] <warty> ahh
[08:19] <calc> warty: and you have to read the wiki to get the libdvdcss package
[08:19] <drspin> it worked fine in my Gentoo and SuSE installs...
[08:19] <Delta-t> tried that, didn't work for me. went to xine-ui and all is well
[08:19] <crimsun> drspin: aren't you using snd-emu10k1x?
[08:19] <drspin> on this same box
[08:19] <calc> Delta-t: works great on the several boxes i installed here
[08:19] <drspin> crimsum: I'm using whatever the kernel detected...
[08:19] <Delta-t> ymmv
[08:20] <drspin> which I assume is just snd-emu10k1
[08:20] <calc> Delta-t: what did it do when it failed?
[08:20] <crimsun> drspin: lsmod |grep ^snd_emu10k1
[08:20] <Delta-t> never started a DVD, kept asking for a file to start with
[08:20] <Delta-t> xine just got it right
[08:20] <calc> Delta-t: when you clicked play disc?
[08:20] <drspin> snd_emu10k1            80776  5
[08:21] <Delta-t> I've used xine on gentoo as well and like it
[08:21] <crimsun> drspin: interesting. This is in a Dell?
[08:21] <Delta-t> yup
[08:21] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[08:21] <calc> totem uses xine so it is odd that totem-xine didn't work
[08:21] <crimsun> drspin: log out of gnome, modprobe -r snd_emu10k1 && modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[08:21] <Gaaruto> good, it work for me
[08:21] <drspin> K brb
[08:22] <Delta-t> didn't have time to troubleshoot
[08:22] <Delta-t> xine-ui worked so I'm sticking with it
[08:24] <drspin> Crimsun: FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found
[08:24] <warty> I cannot get to the archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu repository is there another one?
[08:24] <crimsun> drspin: you need a newer version of ALSA.
[08:24] <drspin> crimsun: I'm using what came with ubuntu --
[08:24] <crimsun> drspin: do you have 'universe' repo enabled?
[08:24] <drspin> yes
[08:24] <crimsun> drspin: install 'alsa-source'
[08:25] <drspin> what's the command for synaptic?
[08:25] <crimsun> drspin: then read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[08:25] <drspin> or should I return to my normal session for this?
[08:26] <drspin> or I'll just use "apt-get install alsa-source"
[08:27] <Delta-t> later
[08:31] <drspin> Crimsun: what was that doc?
[08:31] <crimsun> /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[08:31] <crimsun> I personally recommend the ./debian/rules binary_modules .... method
[08:32] <drspin> thanks
[08:32] <crimsun> np
[08:32] <crimsun> off work, bbl.
[08:33] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, hi there cloud howz it going
[08:34] <Cloudchaser> hiya neighborlee
[08:34] <neighborlee> :)
[08:34] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, how is ubuntu going for you
[08:34] <Cloudchaser> its going pretty good so far..few little wrinkles
[08:34] <neighborlee> exellent..hope nothing major
[08:42] <Cloudchaser> i think my cordless mouse batteries are dead again and i have no spares ;(
[08:42] <Cloudchaser> had t plug in a regular mouse but the scrollie wheel isn't working
[08:47] <Cloudchaser> there's no way to tweak mouse settings in ubuntu?
[08:51] <maps73> hy
[08:52] <housetier> Cloudchaser tweak in which way?
[08:52] <Cloudchaser> well my scroll wheel isn't working
[08:53] <maps73> hy housetier, are you reading me? thanks
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> thought i'd see if ther was some sort of setting for it
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> or say i wanted it faster or slower
[08:53] <housetier> Cloudchaser there is (should be) when you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86"
[08:53] <housetier> -xfree86
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> that will have mouse stuff in there?
[08:54] <housetier> maps73 you are on irc, chances are somebody will "hear" you
[08:55] <housetier> Cloudchaser that should ask about scrollwheel stuff
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> ah ok..on my cordless mouse it "just worked"
[08:55] <housetier> Cloudchaser acceleration and so can be set in the desktop settings
[08:55] <maps73> housetier, thank you
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> oh duh
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> mouse is in there too housetier
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> i was looking in the wrong spot ;)
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[08:56] <gorth> Where can i define which application firefox should use as an external player? Currently totem is used, but I want to use mplayer instead
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> no scrollie wheell
[08:57] <housetier> gorth I think firefox has a setting for it
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> i'll leave it for now..i'll get batteries tomorrow for my wireless mouse ;)
[08:57] <housetier> gorth edit -> preferences -> downloads
[08:58] <maps73> Cloudchaser, try to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> last time i tried that i messed up my video ;)
[08:59] <housetier> Cloudchaser you mean you werent asked about scroll wheel events or something similar?
[08:59] <Cloudchaser> yes i was
[09:00] <gorth> housetier,  thanks, i'll try it..
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> i'm looking in that file now, don't see anything about scrollwheel
[09:01] <Lathiat> Cloudchaser: its be something like ZAxis i forget exactly
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> ah it says  "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[09:01] <spikeb> Option "ZAxismapping" "4 5"
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> so its ok already..hmmm
[09:03] <drspin> wget
[09:03] <drspin> LOL
[09:03] <drspin> oops
[09:03] <spikeb> hio
[09:03] <gorth> housetier,  it seems like i can't add an extension to that list..hmm..
[09:03] <spikeb> heh
[09:03] <Cloudchaser> well i guess i have to get ready for work..i'll fuss with it later after work/sleep
[09:04] <kleedrac> Anyone know why my Ubuntu system shuts down to Alt+z?
[09:04] <housetier> gorth you can change an action, for unknown filetype firefox will ask you what to do with them
[09:04] <drspin> what is the best way to reinstall alsa?
[09:06] <drspin> ??
[09:07] <gorth> housetier,  hmm ok. The problem is that it automatically opens totem without asking and totem isnt displayed in the list in (Downloads)
[09:08] <ChumaM> Heya.
[09:09] <kleedrac> Does anyone else's system shut down/sleep to alt+z?
[09:10] <Lathiat> err no
[09:10] <Lathiat> did you set a shortcut in shortcuts accidentally?
[09:10] <ChumaM> What was the command to running Ubuntu's setup? The configuration thingie that runs after installation.
[09:11] <kleedrac> Not that I remember ... where would I check that shortcut Lathiat?
[09:15] <ChumaM> Mh. I was thinking that it'd be the easiest way to configure X after changing a graphics card.
[09:24] <Emanuelez> hello * :)
[09:25] <abelli> buongiorno a tu le monde
[09:25] <Emanuelez> abelli: italian or french LOL
[09:25] <LinuxNIT> can i use a different list of sources for apt than the one provided with ubuntu
[09:26] <Emanuelez> abelli: italian ;)
[09:26] <Gaaruto> bonjourno a toi abelli :)
[09:26] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: sure, but it's not recommended. You could royally screw your system.
[09:26] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:26] <LinuxNIT> thanks
[09:26] <Emanuelez> LinuxNIT: well... the ones u can find in ubuntuguide.org i guess
[09:27] <LinuxNIT> how come i can use my user password to login to things like synaptic manager?
[09:27] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: that's what `sudo' allows you to do.
[09:27] <Prasatko> hello. I have upgraded from debian kernel 2.2 to ubuntu 2.6.9-1-386, but now my mouse does not work in Xfree86. i tried to change XF86Config. but without any suucess (i tried /dev/mouse  /dev/input/mice /dev/mouse0 and so on) I have one ps2 mouse and one serial connected to com1. does anyone know what to do?
[09:28] <LinuxNIT> i am ue to using straight debian whre the user and su are completely separate. i put ubuntu on my dads laptop
[09:28] <crimsun> Prasatko: search the debian-x mailing list archive for the psaux input option for 2.6 kernels.
[09:29] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: Ubuntu adopts the much saner use of sudo(8) by default.
[09:29] <LinuxNIT> so is ubuntu just as secure from things like viruses, trojans etc as
[09:29] <rituraj> i have problem with windows drive mounting in Uuntu
[09:29] <spikeb> i really shouldnt be reading trotsky if i want to go to bed
[09:29] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: it's more secure by default than Debian Woody or Sarge or Sid.
[09:30] <rituraj> the drives get mounted but i cannot access the dirs in it
[09:30] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:30] <crimsun> rituraj: look at the umask mount option for vfat
[09:30] <crimsun> rituraj: more than likely you need -o umask=000
[09:30] <rituraj> oh ok
[09:31] <rituraj> thanks
[09:31] <rituraj> will try at home
[09:31] <LinuxNIT> i've got a fstab question. i have a vfat partition that is mounting automatically but it mounts as root can i get it to mount so the user can accsess it?
[09:32] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: see what I just typed to rituraj.
[09:33] <Mestapheles> anyone install onto a 800mhz iMac?
[09:33] <LinuxNIT> ok i see it but it dosent make sense to me ( i am still very new to linux)
[09:34] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: is it a removable device
[09:34] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: or a device in yoru computer
[09:34] <LinuxNIT> its a partition on hda
[09:34] <LinuxNIT> it is hda1
[09:35] <LinuxNIT> or should i say /dev/hda1
[09:35] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: become root, edit the /etc/fstab file
[09:35] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: (nano -w /etc/fstab)
[09:35] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: look for the line starting /dev/hda1, theres a list of options (probably says defaults right now)
[09:35] <Lathiat> put ,user after the defaults bit (no space)
[09:35] <LinuxNIT> ok i have the fstab open
[09:36] <LinuxNIT> it dosent say default cause i am the one who put the line there
[09:36] <Lathiat> ah ok
[09:36] <Lathiat> whats it say atm?
[09:36] <LinuxNIT> /dev/hda1       /C:             vfat   rw,user,auto  0       0
[09:36] <Lathiat> ah take the auto off
[09:36] <Lathiat> then umount /C: in the shell
[09:36] <Lathiat> then go into computer and double click it
[09:36] <Lathiat> it mounts it as your user, and will work fine then
[09:37] <LinuxNIT> ah i see
[09:37] <LinuxNIT> thanks man
[09:37] <Lathiat> if you mount it as root, then root 'owns' it
[09:37] <Lathiat> and when you logout/login again
[09:37] <Lathiat> first time you access that it'l mount it
[09:38] <LinuxNIT> so can it get mounted automatically for the user or not
[09:38] <Lathiat> dont even have to do it from computer, if you open it in any proper GNOME app with the file selecter and just select the option in the left hand list of places
[09:38] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: well you could add a startup command to mount /C:
[09:38] <Lathiat> you can also take out user and put ,uid=1000,auto
[09:38] <Lathiat> and it'l automount to your user
[09:38] <LinuxNIT> thats what i'll do
[09:38] <Lathiat> but it wont show up in the file selector...
[09:39] <Lathiat> well actually if you put user,uid=1000,rw - it might.
[09:39] <LinuxNIT> trying to make it as simple for my dad
[09:40] <Lathiat> well if he just double clicks on it in computer, it mounts it automagically anyway
[09:40] <Lathiat> or in any application wit a gnome file selector
[09:40] <Lathiat> which is most of them now
[09:40] <Lathiat> that you'll probabky use
[09:40] <LinuxNIT> ok well now i know my options so i can fiddle with it
[09:40] <LinuxNIT> i really appreciate it
[09:40] <Lathiat> no problems
[09:40] <Lathiat> anytime for someone who appreciates it :)
[09:41] <LinuxNIT> like this for the user,uid=1000,rw?
[09:41] <LinuxNIT> /dev/hda1       /C:             vfat   user,uid=1000,rw 0       0
[09:42] <Lathiat> should do the trick
[09:42] <LinuxNIT> cool
[09:43] <LinuxNIT> can you tell me where you can add programs to the applicatinos menu?
[09:43] <spikeb> LinuxNIT, you can do it via a right click - go to the submenu you want and right click
[09:43] <spikeb> there's an entry
[09:44] <LinuxNIT> ok cool so simple you'd think i would have figured it out
[09:44] <LinuxNIT> i guess i am just slow sometimes
[09:45] <spikeb> lol
[09:45] <spikeb> LinuxNIT, well, it's not obvious at first glance
[09:45] <spikeb> not like the right click menu is there all the time
[09:45] <LinuxNIT> true
[09:45] <spikeb> :)
[09:45] <LinuxNIT> is there a command that tells the menu to update itself
[09:46] <spikeb> it should do it automatically
[09:46] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:46] <Lathiat> it should, it doesnt seem to on warty sometimes, might have to logout/login
[09:46] <spikeb> i usually wait a couple seconds
[09:46] <spikeb> then it does
[09:47] <LinuxNIT> does it not add all pragrams that you install to the menu?
[09:47] <spikeb> it adds some of them (mostly gnome apps) but not many compiled or unsupported apps
[09:48] <LinuxNIT> well i used apt-get to install several and only one showed up
[09:48] <spikeb> stupid apps
[09:48] <spikeb> or stupid menu, whichever
[09:48] <spikeb> heh
[09:50] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:50] <LinuxNIT> well i guess ill do it manually then
[09:50] <e-Jah> lu
[09:50] <spikeb> yeah, i hope more packages have entries in hoary.
[09:51] <LinuxNIT> another question about the menu
[09:52] <LinuxNIT> i can right click to ad a luancher in the bottom of the so called directories (for lack of knowing their true name) can i add a new so called directory
[09:52] <LinuxNIT> does that make sense?
[09:52] <Lathiat> no ;p
[09:53] <Lathiat> what do you mean directories
[09:53] <Lathiat> the panel?
[09:53] <spikeb> i know what you mean
[09:53] <spikeb> Lathiat, he wants to add submenus
[09:53] <LinuxNIT> yeah those
[09:53] <spikeb> LinuxNIT, im not sure, to be honest
[09:53] <Lathiat> so you want to create a new submenu in the menu?
[09:53] <LinuxNIT> exactly
[09:53] <Lathiat> ditto to spikeb then
[09:54] <LinuxNIT> ok well i thought id ask
[09:54] <spikeb> i think you might be able to, but i've no idea how
[10:06] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[10:21] <LinuxNIT> dontknow if your interested but i found out how to add the submenus
[10:22] <LinuxNIT> its on here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[10:22] <Lathiat> ah cool
[10:30] <teuf> hi
[10:31] <crimsun> competenCe: don't try that.
[10:31] <competenCe> what are you talking about sir?
[10:31] <funky> crimsun: what is he trying ?
[10:31] <vinic_> hi! what do you use to unrar .rar files. unrar is not available in apt-get....
[10:31] <Lathiat> competenCe: heh dipshit this is a linux channel like thats gonna work
[10:31] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[10:32] <crimsun> I just got a dcc send request from his client that looks eerily like a mirc exploit.
[10:32] <Lathiat> it is a mirc exploit
[10:32] <funky> crimsun: me too, but what means that ?
[10:32] <daniels> competenCe: please upgrade your version of mIRC.
[10:32] <competenCe> neg
[10:32] <competenCe> stfu bitches i know what im doing
[10:33] <competenCe> if you dont want a ddos to your line your home shush.
[10:33] <competenCe> been waiting for bitches to talk shit
[10:33] <Agrajag> ahahahah what
[10:33] <Lathiat> heh
[10:33] <Agrajag> more like incompetence
[10:33] <Lathiat> Agrajag: yar
[10:34] <fabbione> now it will start entering the chan with different nicks
[10:34] <daniels> yep.
[10:34] <Agrajag> possibly
[10:34] <fabbione> wanna bet?
[10:34] <Lathiat> fun
[10:34] <Lathiat> i'll put 3 million on that
[10:34] <daniels> fabbione: fo'sho.  stupid people have no life, news at 11.
[10:34] <fabbione> daniels: drive trough.. kthxbye
[10:34] <Agrajag> I like the fact that the moron is using a mirc exploit in a linux channel
[10:35] <Lathiat> Agrajag: yeh, like i said :)
[10:35] <Lathiat> 17:31 < Lathiat> competenCe: heh dipshit this is a linux channel like thats
[10:35] <Lathiat>           gonna work
[10:35] <Agrajag> oh
[10:35] <Agrajag> didn't see that
[10:35] <Lathiat> ;p
[10:35] <daniels> fabbione: funny you should say that -- i've just been playing gta san andreas, doing a drive-by (and a drive-through) mission
[10:35] <fabbione> daniels: ahaha
[10:35] <GoneBoB> daniels: haha! make sure you grab the dildo from the police station
[10:35] <Agrajag> what, kill the guy in the drive-through?
[10:35] <GoneBoB> and give it to your girlfriend
[10:36] <fabbione> daniels: i saw GTSA yesterday in the shops but it's way too expensive
[10:36] <GoneBoB> or use it to beat old ladies to death
[10:36] <GoneBoB> fabbione: I don't think so
[10:36] <Agrajag> man I can't wait for the windows version, I don't have a PS2
[10:36] <GoneBoB> it's got 50+ hours of playing minimum
[10:36] <daniels> GoneBoB: heh, haven't got to that yet.  just did the drive-by on the ballas where you go through the park, then respray your car for free.
[10:36] <GoneBoB> ah yep
[10:36] <hartbrkr> what are the hardware requirements for ubuntu (PC) ??
[10:37] <fabbione> GoneBoB: what do you mean, you don't think so?
[10:37] <e-Jah> is it possible to get the gnome configuration menu ?
[10:37] <GoneBoB> fabbione: that it's too expensive
[10:37] <GoneBoB> hartbrkr: depends, what do you want to do
[10:37] <fabbione> GoneBoB: well send me one than.. here in dk is expensive
[10:37] <GoneBoB> well it's $90AUD
[10:37] <fabbione> it's 550 DKK
[10:38] <daniels> GoneBoB: it's about 70 or something at kmart
[10:38] <daniels> fabbione: dude, that's way cheaper than here, I think
[10:38] <GoneBoB> daniels: yea but that's RRP
[10:38] <GoneBoB> ok, I'm out, got to work :(
[10:38] <hartbrkr> GoneBoB: just for internet, email, chat, word processing kinda stuff. I've got a Pentium 166/96MB RAM that I want to try it out on, would that be fast enough to do the simple tasks? Does it support lexmark usb scanners?
[10:38] <GoneBoB> catch
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: that's like 75 Euros
[10:38] <daniels> hm, no, that's $129.
[10:38] <daniels> wow, expensive.
[10:38] <daniels> GoneBoB: have fun
[10:38] <daniels> hartbrkr: it won't always be the fastest but it should work.
[10:39] <hartbrkr> daniels: faster than windows 98 though?
[10:39] <daniels> hartbrkr: should be
[10:39] <hartbrkr> daniels: I'm trying to decide whether to put win98 or linux on the computer.
[10:39] <daniels> ubuntu should be fine for your needs
[10:40] <calc> win98 isn't supported anymore
[10:40] <calc> so stay away from it for network connected systems
[10:41] <hartbrkr> what about for general up-keep? the person who owns the computer isn't the most computer savvy person. it's just a standalone computer connected the internet. once I get everything set up for him, am I going to have to fix it for him all the time?
[10:42] <daniels> hartbrkr: well, things won't spontaneously break :)
[10:42] <hartbrkr> cause with windows he gets it so full of spyware and crap that I have to reinstall everything every couple months or so
[10:42] <Lathiat> hartbrkr: yeh well linux is generally not vulnerable to spyware, adware, etc, so it should keep chugging for quite a while
[10:42] <nevyn> hartbrkr: all systems require maintainence
[10:42] <Lathiat> in that respect
[10:42] <lifeless> daniels: so, composite is enable, what things use it ?
[10:42] <nevyn> Lathiat: it is however vunerable to worms and cracking.
[10:43] <Lathiat> nevyn: indeed
[10:43] <hartbrkr> and what about a P2P filesharing app? i've tried gtk-gnutella on my computer, but it doesn't seem to run as well as bearshare or anything else for windows
[10:43] <hartbrkr> nevyn: what kind of mainainence are you talking about? like can I schedule it to do automatic maintainence?
[10:44] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[10:45] <nevyn> hartbrkr: you really should do it manually
[10:46] <daniels> lifeless: xcompmgr
[10:46] <daniels> lifeless: but your x will be slow and possibly a bit crashy
[10:46] <hartbrkr> nevyn: what kind of maintenance are you talking about and how often does it need to be done?
[10:47] <nevyn> hartbrkr: installing updates
[10:47] <nevyn> hartbrkr: keeping up with bugtraq and cert notifications.
[10:47] <hartbrkr> nevyn, with ext2 or 3 or whatever filesystem, do I need to defrag or anything like that?
[10:48] <calc> grrr once i put my keypad into mouse mode ff doesn't recognize my arrows to scroll
[10:48] <calc> even when i turn keypad mouse off
[10:48] <lifeless> daniels: I won't be able to tell the difference you mean
[10:48] <Agrajag> hartbrkr: no
[10:48] <Agrajag> And I suggest reiserfs over ext
[10:48] <nevyn> hartbrkr: no.
[10:49] <hartbrkr> Agrajag: howcome you recommend reiserfs?
[10:49] <daniels> lifeless: your fault for using fglrx :P
[10:49] <nevyn> and I'll go with what Agrajag said
[10:49] <lifeless> daniels: I'm not anymore :)
[10:49] <Agrajag> hartbrkr: I've had too many problems with ext2 and ext3
[10:49] <Agrajag> lost filesystems
[10:49] <Agrajag> no problems with reiser, seems faster to me as well
[10:50] <hartbrkr> could you recommend any file sharing app to get music with?
[10:50] <calc> ftp <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:51] <crimsun> connection refused :<
[10:51] <calc> :)
[10:51] <Agrajag> calc: I tried that, I already have all that stuff
[10:51] <calc> Agrajag: thats good you won't be breaking any more laws :)
[10:51] <Agrajag> well actually
[10:52] <Agrajag> I found out they use the same root password as me
[10:52] <Agrajag> so I totally owned them
[10:52] <Agrajag> man whoever owns that box will be so mad in the morning
[10:52] <calc> run rm -rf / that will teach them :)
[10:52] <calc> or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda  that will fix em better :)
[10:54] <darmou> Can anyone suggest a good laptop to use with ubuntu?
[10:54] <spikeb> careful. i get angry at the whim of a hat
[10:54] <calc> darmou: thinkpads
[10:54] <lifeless> lamont: does ubuntu postfix come with the ability to authenticate via digest to a smart host ?
[10:54] <daniels> darmou: ibm thinkpad x40
[10:55] <spikeb> also the thinkpad T21
[10:55] <calc> all other laptops wish they were a thinkpad :)
[10:55] <calc> of course only ibm could manage to set their prices even higher than apple :\
[10:55] <spikeb> heh
[10:55] <spikeb> that chinese corp owns that stuff now
[10:58] <darmou> well I wonder if ibm are selling their laptops cheaply now they have sold out
[10:58] <spikeb> no
[10:58] <spikeb> they have an agreement to still have IBM branded stuff for a while
[11:01] <darmou> http://search.ebay.com.au/+thinkpad+T21_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQcatrefZC6QQampq3bfromZR8QQfromZR10QQampq3bsokeywordredirectZ1QQampq3bsatitleZ+thinkpad+T21QQsacategoryZ-1Q26catrefQ3DC6QQsoloctogZ9QQsotrtypeZ1QQsotrvalueZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1Q26sosortorderQ3D1QQcoactionZcompareQQcopagenumZ1QQcoentrypageZsearch
[11:01] <hartbrkr> can anyone recommend a good file sharing app for linux? it seems like gtk-gnutella never finds as many files as bearshare or kazaa
[11:01] <calc> hartbrkr: bittorrent
[11:01] <darmou> Some pretty decent prices with ebay, shame it is a pIII but that would hopefully be ok for mono development.
[11:02] <lifeless> daniels: it claims no composite extension, though I've installed xcompmgr and restarted X.
[11:02] <lifeless> :[
[11:02] <hartbrkr> calc: what about for single .mp3's and stuff like that? btw do you know a good bittorrent tracker? I used to use suprnova but it's shut down
[11:02] <daniels> lifeless: and put the magic I directed you to in #g-h to?
[11:02] <calc> darmou: use ccache and it will help a lot
[11:02] <lifeless> daniels: yah
[11:02] <daniels> lifeless: in xorg.conf, not XF86Config-4?
[11:02] <calc> hartbrkr: there are lots of them around most require you to login to see the stuff though
[11:02] <lifeless> wtf is xorg.conf ?
[11:03] <lifeless> :)
[11:03] <daniels> lifeless: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:03] <hartbrkr> calc what do you use?
[11:03] <lifeless> garh
[11:03] <daniels> lifeless: if it's totally screwed, bounce me your Xorg.0.log
[11:03] <calc> hartbrkr: i dont download music
[11:03] <lifeless> bbs
[11:04] <hartbrkr> calc no, what bittorrent tracker do you usually use?
[11:04] <calc> haven't downloaded anything in several months, so none right now
[11:04] <hartbrkr> ok, what did you use before?
[11:05] <daniels> i just walk into jb hi-fi, and i receive cds in exchange for some form of financial compensation
[11:05] <calc> suprnova since it didn't require a login
[11:05] <darmou> I have been thinking about a HP Pavilion  zv5213AP notebook looks very nice but not sure how linux compatiable it is
[11:05] <hartbrkr> it seems like suprnova was the most used eh? on these other trackers I can never find anything
[11:05] <biezt> does ubuntu have a firewall with it ?
[11:05] <Agrajag> I have an HP...something-or-other, an old one
[11:06] <Agrajag> works great
[11:06] <tacobell> will ubuntu find my nforce3 NIC?
[11:06] <darmou> So HP are reasonably good with linux compatibility?
[11:06] <daniels> biezt: yes, but not activated, because no ports are open by default.  so there's nothing to block off with a firewall.
[11:06] <daniels> tacobell: yes
[11:06] <Agrajag> tacobell: don't you need nvidia's binary drivers for that?
[11:06] <Agrajag> oh
[11:06] <lifeless> daniels: is xcompmgr meant to make everything except the mouse stop working ?
[11:06] <Agrajag> guess not
[11:06] <biezt> is it difficult to open ports or is it with a gui ?
[11:06] <daniels> lifeless: don't ctrl-z it
[11:06] <lifeless> oh :[
[11:06] <Agrajag> biezt: you don't have to open anything
[11:07] <biezt> y, cause i want an ftp server :P
[11:07] <Agrajag> then run one
[11:07] <lifeless> so it doesn't have a ui ?
[11:07] <daniels> lifeless: think about it.  'hey, you can take all of my rendering requests.  now STOP.'
[11:07] <daniels> lifeless: nope, just background it.
[11:07] <daniels> lifeless: run with -h for various options
[11:07] <lifeless> K
[11:08] <lifeless> so, thats running, how can I tell its working ?
[11:08] <lifeless> (other than things overlapping the panel now)
[11:08] <daniels> things get slower
[11:08] <daniels> and yeah
[11:08] <lifeless> lol
[11:08] <daniels> so run transset
[11:08] <daniels> and then click on a window you want to make transparent
[11:08] <daniels> and it should become transparent
[11:09] <lifeless> what package is transset in ?
[11:09] <calc> so once it becomes fast gnome might use it for stuff?
[11:09] <calc> or is it just considered a toy in general?
[11:09] <lifeless> ah, tansset :]
[11:09] <Agrajag> metacity already has a compositor
[11:09] <Agrajag> it's just not really used yet
[11:09] <daniels> lifeless: transset
[11:09] <daniels> calc: no-one's really come up with a compelling interface, though
[11:10] <lifeless> yeah, searched for it.
[11:10] <calc> ok
[11:10] <daniels> calc: transparency isn't compelling enough
[11:10] <daniels> something expos-like would be
[11:10] <calc> i'm pretty sure i am set in unicode mode
[11:10] <lifeless> oh thats cute.
[11:10] <lifeless> any other tricks available ?
[11:10] <calc> anything special i have to do to irssi to make it render unicode?
[11:11] <paulproteus> calc: Yeah, me too.
[11:11] <paulproteus> I saw an a tilde-A and a (C).
[11:11] <paulproteus> I'm using gaim, fwiw.
[11:11] <lifeless> set term_type=utf8
[11:11] <daniels> utf-8, yo
[11:11] <lifeless> and re running uxterm
[11:11] <daniels> lifeless: if xdesktopwaves was a composite manager, that would be cool
[11:12] <calc> daniels: show a unicode char again :)
[11:12] <lifeless>
[11:12] <calc> registered trademark?
[11:12] <lifeless> yep
[11:12] <calc> ok its working :)
[11:12] <daniels> lifeless:
[11:12] <daniels> s/lifeless/calc/, rather
[11:13] <lifeless> daniels: garh, I don't see that properly.
[11:13] <lifeless> mind you, uxterm + ssh + screen
[11:13] <lifeless> + irssi
[11:13] <calc> daniels: an A(something) and upsidedown questionmark?
[11:13] <lifeless> B
[11:13] <calc> lifeless: that almost looked like an escape sequence
[11:13] <daniels>
[11:13] <lifeless> hmm, I hope that came out as the escB upside-quesion.
[11:13] <daniels> hm
[11:14] <lifeless> calc: thats what daniels text loks like for me
[11:14] <daniels>
[11:14] <calc> lifeless: showed as tiny triangle question 'B' upsidedown question
[11:14] <daniels> hm, bizzare.  i blame the freebsd machine I'm IRCing from.
[11:14] <daniels> thom clearly can't administer machines.
[11:14] <calc> i think the tiny triangle question means missing glyph
[11:15] <daniels> in my status line, it appears as a single glyph, but in the main window, it renders as ?, then ^B, then a square
[11:16] <calc> here what you type renders as A-hat and the upsidedown question
[11:16] <calc> i think thats a hat, not sure its too small here :)
[11:16] <daniels> yeah, that's broken encoding
[11:16] <calc> ok
[11:16] <JD> I get the same as calc
[11:16] <JD> I think daniels is broken :P
[11:17] <biezt> is it difficult to open a port on ubuntu ?
[11:18] <Agrajag> biezt: you don't open ports, I said so
[11:18] <Agrajag> there is no firewall
[11:18] <biezt> so everything is open :S
[11:18] <Agrajag> no
[11:18] <Agrajag> nothing is open
[11:18] <biezt> or is automatically closed :P
[11:18] <biezt> k tnx
[11:18] <smo> ports are "open" when there's a service listening on them.  You don't install those services, nothing's open
[11:18] <lifeless> daniels: garh you were not kidding about slow.
[11:18] <Agrajag> you have to have a service listening on a port for it to be open
[11:18] <lifeless> is it cause I have an ati 9600 ?
[11:18] <PsyDeViL> hi every1
[11:18] <lifeless> ot does composite just suck ?
[11:19] <Agrajag> lifeless: bingo
[11:19] <Agrajag> well
[11:19] <Agrajag> the compose/damage extension are actually pretty nice
[11:19] <Agrajag> using xcompmgr for drop shadows/transparency sucks
[11:19] <Agrajag> I just used it to make things like moving windows acriss each other smoother and faster
[11:19] <Agrajag> turn off all the eye candy
[11:19] <ironwolf> Any word on when the bottom bar program windows will either A) return to normal size or B) have an option to do so in hoary?
[11:20] <calc> ironwolf: its a bug known upstream
[11:20] <calc> ironwolf: probably will be fixed in the next gnome point release
[11:20] <JD> calc: ooi are you using gnome these days?
[11:20] <calc> they fixed libwnck and in the process broke the taskbar
[11:21] <calc> JD: yea for right now anyway
[11:21] <ironwolf> calc: I knew it was probably known.. was wondering if we knew eta on returning to previous behavior
[11:21] <JD> calc: same here :)
[11:22] <daniels> lifeless: yeah, we don't have proper DMA acceleration for the r3xx series
[11:22] <daniels> lifeless: but it's there in an experimental branch, might make debs if I'm feeling generous and/or bribed with Coopers at DebSIG in February
[11:23] <lifeless> bugger feb, I'll bribe you with coopers now.
[11:23] <PsyDeViL> any1 care to help... :P
[11:23] <lifeless> come around, I've got some ready.
[11:24] <PsyDeViL> im tryng to install warty ppc on lombard (powerbook g3)  it gets stuck at copying remaining packages after ubuntu base.
[11:24] <spikeb> heh
[11:25] <JD> daniels: what about i810?
[11:28] <daniels> JD: accelerated to the best that i8xx can do, which is really shit all
[11:29] <JD> daniels: hahahah well it is my X30 so I wasn't expecting miracles :)
[11:29] <remix_tj> hi!
[11:29] <PsyDeViL> hi
[11:30] <daniels> JD: the x31 has a radeon mobility (r1xx)
[11:31] <dud> is apt.cerkinfo.be unreachable for anyone else?
[11:31] <JD> daniels: okay okay I picked a shit laptop
[11:32] <calc> new p-m will be using 915 soon
[11:32] <fabbione> the X40 sucks hard anyway
[11:32] <calc> so should be a bit faster than 855
[11:32] <martxel> hi
[11:32] <fabbione> just because everybody has it
[11:32] <martxel> does anyone have problems with hoary?
[11:32] <martxel> since yesterday
[11:33] <dud> apt.cerkinfo.be is unreachable isnt it?
[11:33] <Gaaruto> hi martxel
[11:33] <martxel> hi Gaaruto
[11:33] <Gaaruto> no pb since this morning
[11:33] <dud> pb?
[11:34] <remix_tj> dud: i can reach apt.cerkinfo.be
[11:34] <Gaaruto> martxel, what is the pb ?
[11:34] <PsyDeViL> pb?
[11:34] <martxel> gnome
[11:34] <dud> remix_tj, i see, thanks
[11:34] <martxel> it doesnt charge the panels
[11:34] <Gaaruto> pb -> problem
[11:34] <martxel> yesterday i did an apt-get update anda an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:35] <martxel> and know i have problems
[11:35] <PsyDeViL> i thot pb = powerbook
[11:35] <PsyDeViL> :P
[11:35] <remix_tj> PsyDeViL: yeah
[11:35] <Gaaruto> ok (sorry i m french, and pb = problem :p
[11:35] <dud> i was thinking penguinballs
[11:35] <smo> and here's me thinking "peanut butter".  for a while there I actually thought I was a geek.  guess not :/
[11:35] <PsyDeViL> lol
[11:36] <martxel> Gaaruto: do you know how to fix my problem?
[11:36] <Gaaruto> what problem with gnome martxel ?
[11:36] <martxel> the menus
[11:36] <martxel> they dont appear
[11:36] <Gaaruto> no taskbar ?
[11:36] <dud> its a know but they are x...
[11:36] <martxel> no
[11:36] <dud> if thats what you mean
[11:36] <dud> known bug even
[11:37] <Gaaruto> martxel, could you explain your problem please ?
[11:37] <spikeb> pb does mean powerbook!
[11:38] <Gaaruto> ok ok spikeb ! shame on me !
[11:38] <Gaaruto> :)
[11:38] <dud> ffs, now my darn cdrom drive wont open again...
[11:38] <dud> arg
[11:38] <remix_tj> spikeb: ps means also Pay a Beer :-)
[11:39] <martxel> when i begin the session
[11:39] <HeMan> Hi! Is there any web-page like packages.debian.org but for Ubuntu?
[11:39] <Gaaruto> remix_tj, maybe :)
[11:39] <PsyDeViL> yippo :P
[11:39] <PsyDeViL> the install worked this time
[11:39] <martxel> Gaaruto i dont speak english very much, thats the problem
[11:39] <martxel> :P
[11:39] <PsyDeViL> guess the old hd had some problem
[11:39] <Gaaruto> martxel, where do you come from ?
[11:40] <Gaaruto> france ?
[11:40] <martxel> spain
[11:40] <Gaaruto> ok
[11:40] <dud> #ubuntu-es is pretty active is it?
[11:41] <martxel> anyone answers me
[11:41] <Gaaruto> you dont have spain forum for ubuntu ?
[11:41] <martxel> yes
[11:41] <Gaaruto> ok
[11:41] <dud> damn it, ive been using linux for more than 4 years now, and STILL the fucking cdrom drive is giving me crap
[11:41] <martxel> but i dont know how to surf the net without x
[11:42] <PsyDeViL> whod want to surf net without x
[11:42] <dud> it wont eject, its not in mtab, it doesnt show in df, and 'lsof | grep cdrom' returns nothing
[11:42] <dud> martxel, use links or lynx
[11:42] <Agrajag> or w3m\
[11:42] <crimsun> dud: what device is your cdrom?
[11:42] <martxel> dud ok
[11:42] <PsyDeViL> dud eject it manualy by the cdrom pinhole
[11:43] <calc> PsyDeViL: er thats not a good idea
[11:43] <e-Jah> why haven't got the system configuration menu with synaptic inside ? (synaptic is installed)
[11:43] <dud> PsyDeViL, thats not smart
[11:43] <spikeb> night folks
[11:43] <crimsun> dud: /dev/hd??
[11:43] <Gaaruto> martxel, if your pb appear after an upgrade, wait, the pb will be resolv with an other upgrade
[11:43] <PsyDeViL> night spike
[11:43] <dud> crimsun, a liteon dvdrom located at /dev/hdc
[11:43] <dud> eject /dev/hdc ive tried btw
[11:43] <calc> dud: tried lsof | grep hdc ?
[11:43] <crimsun> dud: what does `lsof /dev/hdc' reveal?
[11:43] <dud> nothing at all
[11:44] <dud> tried that as well ;/
[11:44] <Gaaruto> martxel, or try to explain the problem you have
[11:44] <calc> hmm it not showing in df is interesting as well
[11:44] <martxel> i get to the session start screen
[11:44] <martxel> I log perfectly
[11:44] <calc> crimsun: actually the lsof probably need to be to the path of where its mounted not the device
[11:44] <smo> dud: I'm not sure it helps, but I had the same problem (with a similar drive .. " LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S").  I'm not sure what "cured" it, but it disappeared after a few days (with reboots and apt-get'n in that time)
[11:44] <martxel> and it seems to charge everything, nautilus...
[11:45] <dud> ive had so many different cdroms and so many different linux distrobutions
[11:45] <martxel> but it doesnt
[11:45] <dud> and somehow i always manage to get in this situation
[11:45] <dud> again and again
[11:45] <PsyDeViL> im getting this upon ubuntu base system configuration. -> mm/memoty.c:110: bad pmd 00000020.
[11:45] <martxel> It doesnt charge the taskbars
[11:45] <Gaaruto> martxel, pv
[11:45] <PsyDeViL> -> mm/memory.c:110: bad pmd 00000020.
[11:46] <PsyDeViL> is it somthing to do with swap file ?
[11:46] <calc> dud: what was happening right before it stopped working?
[11:46] <dud> calc, nothing really, was just using it
[11:46] <calc> burning something, or just reading?
[11:46] <dud> it generally happens, when an application changes drive status
[11:46] <dud> prolly without "telling" gnome that it did
[11:47] <calc> well gnome definitely can get confused about the drive
[11:47] <dud> then it gets out of sync, and hell is loose
[11:47] <dud> and eject wont work
[11:47] <calc> i had to use eject at console to get it to eject my cdrom earlier tonight
[11:48] <dud> and mount /dev/hdc gives the standard wrong fs, bad option or bad super block error
[11:48] <calc> also for some reason gnome doesn't show any mounted volumes on my desktop anymore, it used to with warty
[11:49] <dud> calc, gnome is like everything else concerning linux/bsd, it works wonderfully when it works, but if it doesnt work, its fucking hell
[11:49] <calc> well it is to be expected that things are broken considering hoary is running beta gnome :)
[11:49] <dud> an english tutor would kill me for that punctuation, or lack of...
[11:50] <dud> on another note...
[11:50] <dud> ive been trying to probe this apt-get problem with liblame0/libmp3lame0...
[11:51] <dud> and ive noticed that mandrake PLF also supplies these packages, only in rpm format of course
[11:51] <dud> and there too, the packages has the same file usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
[11:51] <lifeless> lastlog daniels
[11:51] <dud> but i assume its not a problem for them
[11:51] <dud> but somehow, its broken here on debian
[11:52] <dud> package management isnt my strongest side, but perhaps someone who has a bit more clue can look at it?
[11:52] <calc> heh
[11:53] <crimsun> dud: what seems to be the issue with it?
[11:53] <dud> so... apt-get, or dpkg rather wont install liblame0 or libmp3lame on hoary
[11:54] <dud> liblame0 comes from multiverse, and libmp3lame from cerkinfo.be
[11:54] <dud> the error has to do with the file usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
[11:54] <dud> which both provides
[11:55] <calc> so don't install libmp3lame0
[11:55] <dud> this is natural, as liblame0 provides the entire libmp3lame0 lib
[11:55] <dud> calc, ahhh... but there's the bug
[11:55] <crimsun> dud: both are unofficial packages, but I'd choose Christian's version.
[11:55] <dud> apt-get thinks it has to install both
[11:55] <calc> ah something on his site needs it
[11:56] <calc> and he provides both but split out(?)
[11:56] <crimsun> dud: what does the cerkinfo.be archive provide?
[11:56] <calc> but liblame0 is older version than in ubuntu(?)
[11:56] <calc> that would be one scenario where it would break, haven't looked into it though
[11:56] <dud> or, more accurately, it wont allow you to install just liblame0, because that it sees that usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 will conflict with the file in libmp3lame0
[11:57] <dud> yet again, im not packet wizard, so i cant seem to make sense of it all
[11:57] <dud> but thats as far as i can understand...
[11:57] <calc> so something depends on both i would guess?
[11:57] <crimsun> libmp3lame0 should not exist
[11:58] <crimsun> whatever depends on its dev version needs to be recompiled against Christian's 'liblame-dev'
[11:58] <dud> crimsun, yeah... i think so as well, because if i removed cerkinfo.be, and tried to install mythtv, which lists liblame0 as depencencies... it worked
[11:58] <dud> well, it gave other errors than those related to liblame0, but thats beside the point ;)
[11:59] <dud> perhaps cerkinfo.be could remove the libmp3lame0 package?
[12:00] <dud> ehhh, i still cant reach apt.cerkinfo.be...
[12:00] <dud> talking about the devil and all
[12:00] <crimsun> whatever's in the cerkinfo.be archive that's linked against 'libmp3lame0/libmp3lame{0}-dev' needs to be recompiled against Christian Marillat's 'liblame0/liblame-dev'
[12:01] <crimsun> then libmp3lame* can go away
[12:01] <crimsun> it's not a dpkg issue
[12:01] <dud> crimsun, how would we(you?/canonical inc?/who??) go about that?
[12:01] <crimsun> it's an archive issue.
[12:01] <crimsun> whoever maintains cerkinfo.be needs to correct the package(s)
[12:02] <dud> not very convenient that i cant reach it...
[12:02] <dud> cant see who's the maintainer...
[12:02] <crimsun> apt-cache show libmp3lame0
[12:04] <dud><EMAIL_ADDRESS>i guess then...
[12:04] <dud> ill drop him an email
[12:04] <crimsun> sounds good.
[12:04] <martxel> all goes fine now
[12:04] <dud> just let me get this straight
[12:04] <Gaaruto> ok martxel :)
[12:04] <dud> the problem is that libmp3lame0 shouldnt exist? as it conflicts with liblame0...
[12:05] <Gaaruto> martxel, read this for install k3b without problem : http://gfabio.blog.free.fr/?2004/11/12/75-ubuntu-installer-et-configurer-k3b
[12:05] <dud> and every package that links to it should link to liblame0-dev instead?
[12:05] <martxel> oks
[12:05] <Gaaruto> martxel, no
[12:05] <Gaaruto> it is in french sorry
[12:05] <martxel> it doesnt mind
[12:05] <martxel> i speak a little bit
[12:05] <martxel> i think ill understand
[12:06] <Gaaruto> watch the commands and screens
[12:06] <dud> i just did apt-get install k3b to get it working...
[12:06] <martxel> i also did it
[12:06] <martxel> and it works, but only when i execute it as root
[12:06] <crimsun> dud: here're the basics: most of the packages use Christian Marillat's scheme, which is liblame0 and liblame-dev. Therefore, the packages in cerkinfo.be need to be recompiled against liblame-dev (Build-Depends in debian/control needs to be updated), which means shlibs will pull in liblame0. Then the libmp3lame* packages can be removed from the cerkinfo.be archive.
[12:06] <dud> hmm, works for me...
[12:06] <martxel> i tried first gtoaster
[12:07] <martxel> but it doesnt detect my devices
[12:07] <Gaaruto> martxel, execute gksudo k3b
[12:07] <Gaaruto> to launch k3b
[12:08] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[12:09] <pusling> from where do I get the key to verify the release.gpg-file in the ubuntu-archives
[12:10] <mvo> pusling: apt should have installed the ubuntu archive key automatically
[12:10] <Gaaruto> martxel, good luck, it work now, if you have problem, do what i have tell you
[12:11] <Gaaruto> bye all
[12:11] <martxel> bye Gaaruto
[12:11] <pusling> mvo: I am using the debmirror-script for partial mirrors (it might only be in debian)
[12:12] <dud> i dont suppose anyone of you nice souls, could just buy me a new monitor?
[12:12] <mvo> pusling: apt-get install the ubuntu-keyring package then
[12:12] <dud> this is so old, that it has the standard gamma darkness fault that old CRTs get... :(
[12:14] <watchtower> hi guys
[12:14] <watchtower> i got a weird  question
[12:14] <pusling> mvo: but I am on a debian server
[12:14] <tsw> dud: if you have any elecktronic skills (so that you know that you DONT put your screwdriver on parts that have electricity) you can take the monitor open and locate the transformer (not shure about the name) and boost the gamma from there
[12:14] <tsw> :)
[12:15] <mvo> pusling: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/misc/daily_signing_key.asc :)
[12:16] <dud> tsw, i have a formal electronics degree
[12:17] <rituraj> whats the q watchtower
[12:17] <pusling> mvo: I am not a gpg-expert so how do I use it ?
[12:17] <dud> but id rather not open a CRT monitor without having a prober electronics workbench
[12:17] <dud> a CRT is something you should mess around with in your home
[12:17] <dud> isnt
[12:17] <tsw> dud: thats true also :) and it was just an suggestion
[12:17] <dud> but thanks anyhow :)
[12:17] <watchtower> now
[12:18] <watchtower> rituraj, i am running ubuntu at work and at home-basically everywhere
[12:18] <rituraj> ok
[12:18] <tsw> dud: I have repaired dosens of crts at home and even on the road.. (but then I have done it so many times :)
[12:18] <mvo> pusling: do you have the apt from debian/experimental on your debian server? or do you want to download the Release and Release.gpg file by hand and verifiy the signature?
[12:18] <dud> heh
[12:19] <watchtower> rituraj, so today i had a conversation with a friend of mine, sysadmin in a local university,and he told me that ubuntu was a kind of security black hole, like the worst possible distro, concerning security issues. He claimed it was all over the security forums etc.
[12:19] <watchtower> rituraj, is there anything like this really?
[12:20] <rituraj> i dont beleive it
[12:20] <pusling> mvo: the debmirror-script does it - so it is automaticly by the hand ;)
[12:20] <watchtower> rituraj, me neither, but he was so convinced
[12:20] <rituraj> maybe some hard core fans of debian wrote things like that
[12:20] <rituraj> :)
[12:20] <rituraj> brb
[12:20] <dud> any suggestions?
[12:20] <watchtower> rituraj, he said something about spoiled debian kernel:)
[12:21] <smo> I'm partial to glenfiddich.  not so good at sharing tho
[12:21] <rituraj> ask him what _EXACTLY_ is SPILED
[12:21] <raghu>  how to set up crontab for 1) file1 2) file2  i want file1 should get backup and after one hour i want file2 to backup and after one hr file3 etc how?
[12:21] <rituraj> and what he mean by SPOILED????
[12:21] <dud> im thinking Glenfiddich Single Malt 12 Years Old or  Laphroaig Single Malt 10 Years Old
[12:22] <watchtower> rituraj, well, tweaked in a way to make it working better, yet lacking the debian security
[12:22] <watchtower> you know, basically he stated ubuntu was a spoiled debian
[12:22] <watchtower> rituraj, i couldnever know, i have never used debian
[12:22] <mvo> pusling: you have to add the key to the right gpg keyring. but I don't know anything about debmirror, so I can't really help you here. to add a key to a keyring use: "gpg --import <filename>"
[12:23] <mvo> (but I don't know if debmirror will use the users default keyring or it's own)
[12:25] <dud> isnt debmirror a perl script of some sort basically?
[12:26] <pusling> mvo: debmirror uses the users keyring
[12:26] <mvo__> pusling: great, so gpg --import <keyfile> should work :)
[12:27] <pusling> mvo__: it did
[12:27] <pusling> thx
[12:27] <pef> hello
[12:30] <CraHan_> in hoary, inserting a usb memory stick doesn't always show an icon on the desktop
[12:30] <zeenix> hello
[12:30] <CraHan_> it gets mounted fine, but no icon appears
[12:30] <CraHan_> a bug in pmount?
[12:31] <zeenix> i just installed ubuntu at a box but it didnt' ask me what should be the root password
[12:31] <zeenix> is there a default value for that?
[12:31] <CraHan_> there's no root account active in ubuntu zeenix
[12:31] <pusling> zeenix: use sudo
[12:31] <martxel> zeenix you have sudo
[12:31] <CraHan_> you should use sudo
[12:31] <martxel> to use it with your user pass
[12:32] <zeenix> cool
[12:32] <zeenix> never heard of such a unix before :)
[12:32] <CraHan_> hehe
[12:33] <pusling> zeenix: it is quite cool - you only have to remember one password
[12:33] <CraHan_> I love it myself
[12:33] <CraHan_> I have to think twice before I do stupid stuff :)
[12:33] <CraHan_> since it asks for a pass when I need to do something 'as root'
[12:34] <CraHan_> when I had debian on the laptop I ended up su'ing to root and just working for a while
[12:36] <lunatik> hi
[12:37] <lunatik> I've got an amd64 ubuntu installed, do you think if there is a way to have a ati 9200 work in 1280 with it ? :)
[12:37] <lunatik> because 1204 is a bit ... disapointable :)
[12:37] <liquidboy> i thought linux was supposed to be really good at multitasking, i was running synaptic, and updating stuff (and browsing too) and the comptuer started going *really* slow and eventually stopped :|
[12:37] <liquidboy> i felt like i was using windows :|
[12:37] <zeenix> CraHan_: what password? would i have to give it password each time i do something as root?
[12:38] <HcE> liquidboy: did you check what processes that were running?
[12:38] <HcE> liquidboy: top will give you some info
[12:38] <CraHan_> zeenix: yes
[12:38] <CraHan_> well no
[12:38] <liquidboy> well, i would have, but the curser wouldnt move much, besides i dont know how, is ther a way to do it from the keyboard? (i instinctively pushed "ctrl alt del)
[12:38] <zeenix> CraHan_: not so cool then :(
[12:39] <CraHan_> it'll remember the pass for a while
[12:39] <HcE> lunatik: ATI dosn't have AMD64 support yet, so you have to use the open source Radeon driver
[12:39] <CraHan_> but after a certain period it'll ask for it again
[12:39] <CraHan_> I'm not sure how long though, I think it's a couple of minutes
[12:39] <pusling> zeenix: sudo su gives you a root-shell
[12:39] <CraHan_> ah cool pusling
[12:41] <lunatik> HcE is it include in the ubuntu distro ?
[12:41] <mojo> hello.
[12:41] <HcE> lunatik: Radeon driver is in the current kernel
[12:41] <lunatik> ok
[12:41] <lunatik> :)
[12:41] <HcE> and it should be present in X too
[12:42] <liquidboy> HcE: how do i bring up a list of the processes?
[12:42] <dud> ps aux
[12:42] <HcE> liquidboy: type "top" in a console
[12:42] <lunatik> HcE, do you know is there is an howto for it or the usage of the radeon driver is too simple please ? :)
[12:42] <liquidboy> aaahhh
[12:42] <liquidboy> thats what you meant :p
[12:43] <HcE> lunatik: really straight forward, standard X driver
[12:43] <liquidboy> HcE - ive got a bunch of stuff that doesnt realy mean much to me...
[12:43] <lunatik> ok, I juste have to change the Driver in Device section of my xf86 config file ?
[12:43] <mojo> i'm having some probs with x after upgrade from warty to hoary.  had probs w/ gdm starting until i removed both xfree86 and xorg xservers and reinstalled/reconfig'd xorg xserver.  now it runs but the resolution is stuck at 640x480.  can't change in gnome w/ screen resolution control pnl.  any ideas?
[12:44] <dud> mojo, exact thing happened to me
[12:44] <mojo> dud: you get it fixed?
[12:44] <dud> i had to reinstall xorg, and run xorgconfig
[12:44] <martxel> yes
[12:44] <martxel> i did the same
[12:44] <martxel> reinstall xorg
[12:44] <dud> there i could set my correct resolutions
[12:45] <mojo> xorgconfig?  i already reinstalled xorg...  i did dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg but it didn't help.  so i should run xorgconfig instead?
[12:45] <lunatik> thx a lot, it work
[12:45] <dud> yeah, the reconfigure doesnt work
[12:45] <dud> for this xorg
[12:45] <martxel> I configured it manually
[12:46] <mojo> thanks.  i will go try that now.
[12:46] <HcE> liquidboy: look for processes useing CPU or RAM
[12:46] <HcE> liquidboy: it could also be a DMA issue, or havy diskload at some time
[12:46] <revoxx> Hi folks, anybody there who can help with internet connection through a router? if I connect to a internet suite through firefox is takes a long time saying: resolving host www.xxxxx. have I to update resolf.conf or hosts? what are the required entries?
[12:47] <liquidboy> DMA = ?
[12:47] <HcE> Direct Memory Access (DMA)
[12:47] <dud> revoxx, dhcp?
[12:47] <liquidboy> oh right
[12:48] <liquidboy> "root" is using about 10%
[12:48] <liquidboy> that's the biggest one
[12:49] <mojo> hey is the mouse /dev/mouse or /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 ??
[12:49] <dud> look at COMMAND not USERS liquidboy
[12:49] <HcE> liquidboy: sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda (or whatever is your drive)
[12:49] <revoxx> dud, yes. I use the computer-system config.-networkiing to look at the entries. under dns it founds the ip of my router; in the resolv.conf there is an entriy names 192.168.xxx.xxx
[12:49] <dud> /dev/input/mouse isnt it?
[12:49] <mojo> dud: will try. thx.
[12:50] <dud> revoxx, you shouldnt have to mess with resolv.conf normally, that ip range is for internal NAT use...
[12:50] <dud> just run the network settings config tool in gnome?
[12:50] <revoxx> dud: ok...
[12:51] <revoxx> dud: yes there is an entry for my ethernet card
[12:53] <SteveA> anyone else having problems with sound on hoary?
[12:53] <dud> goes ifconfig look good then revoxx ?
[12:53] <dud> mojo, its prolly /dev/input/mouse0 btw
[12:54] <dud> unless you have an usb mouse, then i dont know
[12:54] <HcE> usb uses /dev/input/mice
[12:54] <HcE> usually
[12:54] <dud> okay
[12:54] <HcE> converted from /dev/input/event<#>
[12:54] <HcE> IIRC
[12:56] <rituraj> i am back
[12:57] <revoxx> dud: for eth0 it has an IP address (which is above the router's IP) and I assume the submask is correct. It is always this "Resolving host www.xxx" thing. when I look at the router no packages are transfereed so far but when it starts it gets the pages loaded very fast ... any ideas?
[12:58] <biezt> which version of ubuntu should i down for an amd 1.3 ghz ?
[12:58] <dud> revoxx, sounds like your DNS servers are slow
[12:59] <dud> biezt, its not a 64bit amd is it?
[12:59] <biezt> i don't know
[12:59] <dud> i dont think such a slow amd is 64 bit
[12:59] <biezt> i know nothing of amd, but i thought 64 was above 2 ghz
[12:59] <dud> but the normal i386 iso will do in such case
[12:59] <dud> that its not a 64bit cpu i mean...
[01:00] <biezt> k tnx
[01:00] <revoxx> dud: where are my DNS servers? my router? @ my provider? when I use M$-XP I get fast responses and do not wait ;-(
[01:00] <biezt> so dud u think ubuntu is a great place to start with linux ?
[01:00] <dud> i guess you can use apt to install a 64bit kernel afterwards if it prooves to be wrong..
[01:00] <dud> yeah, it is
[01:01] <dud> revoxx, normally, they are at your isp yes
[01:01] <biezt> well i'm gonna run an glftpd server but i know nothing of linux, so i need a easy one 2 start ^^
[01:01] <biezt> i want to know how to run those things :P
[01:01] <dud> im just about to leave, so todays free support is done, on my behalf
[01:02] <dud> ubuntu is prolly the easiest and most newbie friendly distro out there now
[01:02] <dud> ubuntu and yoper id say...
[01:02] <rituraj> and mepis
[01:02] <biezt> does a live cd mean auto boot or running from cd ?
[01:02] <dud> but yoper has a screwed up package system
[01:02] <rituraj> but Ubuntu has a stronger comunity support
[01:02] <dud> running from cd
[01:02] <biezt> k tnx
[01:03] <revoxx> dud: so why do I have a dns entry in the networking section with the IP of my router?
[01:03] <dud> *poof*
[01:05] <rituraj> revoxx which file you are referring to
[01:06] <revoxx> rituraj: I am looking at computer-system conf.-networking
[01:09] <martxel> bye
[01:09] <nicolade> Hi, currently I'm a debian user. I'm thinking about buying and amd64 box and trying to install ubuntu on it. My newbie question is: Is it probably that I could use the debs from debian archives after I did the ubuntu-installation?
[01:11] <smo> it'd appear to be a "yes if you know what you're doing, and keep an eye on it".  If you let things pull in dependencies, you can quickly end up in a mess tho  (from experience)
[01:12] <nicolade> smo: ok, thanks
[01:13] <nicolade> "Ubuntu contains essentially all of the packages available in the Debian repositories, as well as many packages from third-party sources."
[01:13] <smo> in my case, something pulled in a library which conflicted with the -dev package in ubuntu .. I didn't realise anything was up until other -dev packages started refusing too.   It really is best avoided as much as possible
[01:14] <nicolade> Do I understand that right? Doesn that mean that there shouldn't be any need for using debian packages at all?
[01:15] <biezt> is the .iso file enough to make install cd cuz i dont know the other files extensions :P
[01:15] <mojo> hey guys thanks i got my xorg.conf working now
[01:15] <nicolade> If Ubuntu provides all packages Debian does why do use something from the debian archives at all?
[01:16] <daniels> nicolade: you don't need to, it's all there, and all up-to-date
[01:16] <odyssey> Hi, im unsure where im supposed to add java to my path
[01:16] <odyssey> could anyone help please?
[01:17] <nicolade> daniels: cool
[01:17] <scoon> oddyssey, how did you install it ?
[01:17] <biezt> allow ? is the .iso enough to down to make a cd ?
[01:17] <biezt> plz help !!
[01:18] <mojo> the iso is an image of the cd.  you should d/l the md5sums to verify and if all is okay, you can burn the cd with the iso
[01:18] <odyssey> biezt, an iso is an image of a install cd
[01:18] <biezt> y i know but the word template confuses me :P
[01:19] <biezt> and is there a webbrowser included in ubuntu ? or do i need to make an cd with mozilla before starting ?
[01:19] <mojo> you do something like $ md5sum -c MD5SUMS and it will check the files listed in MD5SUMS and tell you if they check okay
[01:19] <smo> biezt: the template & jigdo files are useful for building your own iso .. if you already have the iso, you're already past that stage
[01:19] <mojo> Ubuntu comes with Firefox
[01:19] <biezt> good enough :P
[01:20] <biezt> and can i install it on my current connection and add a hub later ?
[01:20] <biezt> will it auto detect ?
[01:20] <nicolade> daniels: I'm not sure if I get the ubuntu website right: is it possible to update an ubuntu installation on a daily basis like debian? apt-get update & apt-get upgrade? Or just every six months?
[01:22] <smo> nicolade: same idea as debian stable (but s/years/months/) day-to-day, will pull in security updates .. every 6 months are the actual releases
[01:23] <stvn> nicolade: there is also the development version (currently hoary) withdaily updates/breakage ;)
[01:23] <nicolade> smo: thanks!
[01:23] <biezt> what's the best irc client for linux ?
[01:23] <nicolade> stvn: thanks too! :-)
[01:23] <nicolade> biezt: irssi ;-)
[01:23] <smo> biezt: a whole kettle of opinion ;)
[01:24] <mojo> i use xchat 'cuz thats the first one i tried :p
[01:24] <watchtower> guys, anyone know how do i send files through gaim?
[01:24] <watchtower> the button is currently inactive:(
[01:25] <odyssey> watchtower, email?
[01:26] <watchtower> odyssey, not an option:(
[01:26] <scoon> is there a CHANGELOG for hoary anywhere ?
[01:27] <lexhider> scoon: hoary-changes list is kind of like that.
[01:28] <smo> watchtower: It'd appear to be implemented for some protocols and not others.  The option appears inactive for msn contacts, for works for jabber contacts
[01:28] <scoon> lexhider, thx but i was looking for something more like a list that I can skim thru to see if moving to hoary is a good idea.
[01:30] <watchtower> smo, it is an icq contact on the other side
[01:31] <watchtower> smo, that is why i can't see why it is not working
[01:36] <nicolade> stvn: Is the breakage level within ubuntu sid/hoary in your opinion comparable to that of debian-unstable?
[01:37] <stvn> yeah
[01:38] <stvn> nicolade: haven't had very serious problems, some annoying ones, but nothing a reasonable experienced linuxuser can't handle
[01:38] <murtaza> need help ab ubuntu
[01:38] <murtaza> koi hai jo madad karay
[01:38] <stvn> murtaza: english please
[01:39] <murtaza> ok
[01:39] <nicolade> stvn: thanks!
[01:39] <liquidboy> hey, how can i mount my windows partition?
[01:39] <stvn> np
[01:39] <murtaza> well i want to add windows network printer
[01:40] <murtaza> printer has added succesfuly and it shows the status ready...but didn't print the page
[01:40] <stvn> liquidboy: do you know the filesystem and the partition?
[01:41] <stvn> murtaza: do you have the right to print at the printer?
[01:41] <liquidboy> well, its on the first partition, adn its win98 (fat32)
[01:41] <murtaza> stvn, ya i have admin rights on windows pc
[01:41] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt
[01:42] <stvn> liquidboy: you can change /mnt for any location you prefer and /dev/hda1 is the first partition on the master of the first ide controller (aka C-drive)
[01:43] <stvn> murtaza: ok, did you give you linux PC access to the printer?
[01:43] <murtaza> stvn, how can this be done
[01:43] <liquidboy> oh right thanks, how can i make ubuntu do this automatically on startup?
[01:43] <stvn> murtaza: er. somewhere in windows printer settings i think
[01:43] <liquidboy> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[01:44] <liquidboy> :|
[01:44] <stvn> liquidboy: add '/dev/hda1 /mnt vfat defaults 0 0' to /etc/fstab
[01:44] <liquidboy> um, you've lost me
[01:44] <liquidboy> :P
[01:45] <stvn> heh
[01:46] <stvn> liquidboy: do sudo cfdisk /dev/hda and check for the proper partition
[01:46] <murtaza> stvn, ya sharing is allowed in windows pc
[01:46] <liquidboy> k
[01:46] <Deschanel> Can I run 2 OS's at the same time. Ubuntu + MS XP?
[01:46] <stvn> liquidboy: the one that says FAT32
[01:46] <liquidboy>   FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[01:46] <liquidboy>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[01:47] <liquidboy> that's not encouraging :P
[01:47] <stvn> liquidboy: er.. what kind of setup do you have?
[01:47] <liquidboy> (that's what i get when i enter "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda"
[01:47] <liquidboy> um, well, ive got 2 partitions. windows 98 on the firstr, and linux on the second
[01:48] <liquidboy> kind of regular i would have thought
[01:48] <liquidboy> if it makes any difference, i used the mandrake 9.0 cd to do the partitioning (it's got a nice easy graphical partitioner)
[01:48] <stvn> shouldn't matter
[01:48] <Deschanel> had experience with MDK, I want Ubuntu now
[01:49] <stvn> liquidboy: check what partitions are named in less /etc/fstab
[01:49] <stvn> liquidboy: the first one is the one i want to know
[01:49] <stvn> Deschanel: how do you mean at the same time?
[01:49] <liquidboy> less?
[01:49] <stvn> liquidboy: yep
[01:50] <liquidboy> oh yep, its a terminal command
[01:50] <stvn> yep
[01:50] <Deschanel> Ok, not in the SAME time, I meant in the same machine
[01:50] <stvn> q gets you out of it
[01:50] <stvn> Deschanel: it is possible
[01:50] <liquidboy> proc            /proc           proc    defaults
[01:50] <stvn> liquidboy: heh, sorry i meant the one underneath
[01:50] <liquidboy> /dev/hdb5       /               reiserfs defaults
[01:50] <liquidboy> but this is my second partition...
[01:51] <liquidboy> and its got the cdrom and the floppy drive, but that's it
[01:51] <stvn> liquidboy: ah ok, apperently you have installed linux on your slave drive
[01:51] <Deschanel> I have a Laptop Gateway m305. What distro would run the best on it.. I mean if there is one
[01:51] <stvn> liquidboy: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb
[01:51] <stvn> Deschanel: try the ubuntu livecd and see if it works
[01:51] <liquidboy> is that bad?
[01:51] <stvn> liquidboy: not really, just not standard
[01:52] <liquidboy> oh right, i didn't really know what i was doing
[01:52] <olimar> Hi all I am upgrading my warty releas to hoary but it asks me about which Xserver to use: Xfree Xorg or Xorg-dbg
[01:52] <ACIDnet> morning all
[01:52] <Deschanel> I don't have the live cd, and I cannot download it cos I am on dial up:/
[01:52] <murtaza> stvn, i m waiting for ur reply
[01:52] <liquidboy> how would i do it to make it not the slave drive?
[01:52] <olimar> what is Xorg-dbg? And isn't Xorg the "standard"?
[01:52] <stvn> murtaza: oh sorry
[01:52] <liquidboy>  hdb1        Boot        Primary   W95 FAT32 (LBA)                  20999.14*
[01:52] <stvn> murtaza: i'm not entirely sure about windows printer sharing
[01:52] <liquidboy> that looks a bit better eh?
[01:53] <stvn> liquidboy: yep, so it's sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt for one time mount
[01:53] <liquidboy> yep, sweet how bout perminent mount?
[01:53] <stvn> Deschanel: i think ubuntu will work, but better checkat the wiki if your laptop is listed
[01:53] <murtaza> stvn, what abt using samba
[01:54] <Deschanel> wiki? ... The link in ubuntu.com ?
[01:54] <stvn> liquidboy: you need to edit the /etc/fstab file
[01:54] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:54] <stvn> Deschanel: yep
[01:54] <liquidboy> hmm how come i cant open folders... ubuntu doesnt know what kindo f files they are
[01:55] <stvn> liquidboy: permission problem, we come to that
[01:55] <liquidboy> ok
[01:55] <liquidboy> so im editing this file...
[01:55] <ACIDnet> i hate courseework :'( i cant do it
[01:55] <stvn> murtaza: here i needed to add a username and password and set the samba workgroup right before i could print at the printer
[01:55] <stvn> murtaza: so if there's no password required, it could be the wrong workgroup
[01:55] <liquidboy> what do i edit?
[01:56] <murtaza> stvn, how can i set samba workgroup right
[01:56] <stvn> liquidboy: add the line: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows vfat ro,defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[01:56] <liquidboy> stvn: do i just add a line like the ones in there, but with hdb1?
[01:56] <stvn> murtaza: system settings network
[01:57] <lamont> lifeless: I expect that the sasl stuff does - postfix just uses what the library provides, iirc
[01:57] <stvn> liquidboy: you need to create the directory /mnt/windows in that casse
[01:57] <liquidboy> yeah
[01:57] <liquidboy> i'll need to unmount windows to do that eh? how do i do that? same thing as mount but with "unmount"?
[01:57] <Deschanel> OK I am in Wiki now.  thing do, ?
[02:01] <liquidboy> isthat just so only i can get into it>
[02:01] <liquidboy> and other users dont automatically mount it?
[02:01] <stvn> liquidboy: tell linux that /mnt/windows is owned by <user> from group users
[02:01] <Deschanel> none Gateway computer listed :(
[02:02] <stvn> liquidboy: it is readable by other users, as long as they are part of the users group
[02:02] <liquidboy> oh right, i copied that it said no such file or dir...
[02:02] <stvn> oh sorry, typo
[02:03] <liquidboy> yeah
[02:03] <liquidboy> it seems to exist now...
[02:03] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && sudo chown <user>:users /mnt/windows
[02:03] <stvn> you need to specify which dir to chown ;)
[02:03] <liquidboy> oh right
[02:04] <stvn> Deschanel: you could try ubuntu forums or google to see if your laptop has linux support
[02:04] <liquidboy> it wont let me cos i already created a /mnt/windows folder, and i cant delete it... do i need to "sudo" delete it?
[02:04] <stvn> Deschanel: but ubuntu generally has as good laptop support as any distro, so ubuntu is a safe bet
[02:05] <stvn> liquidboy: heh, just do the chown command then
[02:05] <stvn> eeverything after the &&
[02:05] <liquidboy> the first one you gave me?
[02:05] <stvn> 2nd
[02:05] <liquidboy> so not hte &&?
[02:05] <stvn> nope
[02:05] <stvn> && just means do this command and after that that command
[02:05] <liquidboy> no such file / dir
[02:06] <liquidboy> but i tried to do the whole command, and it tells me the file exists
[02:07] <stvn> liquidboy: hm, sudo chown -R <user>:users /mnt/windows
[02:07] <liquidboy> same, no such file or dir
[02:08] <stvn> huh
[02:08] <miausX> hi :)
[02:08] <liquidboy> it's probably somethig really obvious :P
[02:08] <stvn> liquidboy: give me the result of ls -l /mnt (unless it's a longlist)
[02:09] <liquidboy> k
[02:09] <liquidboy> total 0
[02:09] <liquidboy> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root           48 2004-12-30 02:02 windows
[02:10] <remix_tj> liquidboy: sudo chmod 777 /dev/hd*
[02:10] <miausX> remix_tj: hum... I think that is a bad idea
[02:10] <liquidboy> um, its too late now... :P
[02:10] <stvn> remix_tj: that's no solution, since udev will change it next reboot
[02:10] <miausX> ouch
[02:10] <liquidboy> miausX, did i mess things up bigtime?
[02:11] <stvn> nah
[02:11] <miausX> liquidboy: no, but listen to stvn, in next reboot you will have the same problem
[02:11] <stvn> liquidboy: cd /mnt
[02:11] <liquidboy> yeah
[02:11] <remix_tj> stvn: if you make a script to launch at boot to set evry time 777 hd*
[02:11] <miausX> but it's a ba idea give 777 perms, a better solution is to play with groups :)
[02:12] <liquidboy> the windows folder is in /mnt
[02:12] <liquidboy> (its there when i "dir")
[02:12] <liquidboy> if thats what you want to know
[02:12] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo chown -R matthew:users windows
[02:13] <liquidboy> lolol, i was entering in ",matthew." not just "matthew"
[02:13] <stvn> heh
[02:13] <liquidboy> i knew it was somethign really obvious
[02:13] <stvn> :)
[02:13] <liquidboy> oops i meant "<matthew>"
[02:14] <liquidboy> but you knew what i meant  eh>
[02:14] <liquidboy> duh, i did it again
[02:14] <stvn> yep, i told you to replace <user> with your username, not user :p
[02:15] <liquidboy> *blush*
[02:15] <liquidboy> so i should probably try the origional command then, which one was it again?
[02:15] <stvn> liquidboy: did you add the line i told you to /etc/fstab
[02:16] <liquidboy> stvn: yes i did
[02:16] <stvn> than try sudo mount /mnt/windows
[02:17] <liquidboy> works
[02:17] <liquidboy> and i can open folders too
[02:17] <stvn> liquidboy: ok next time you reboot it will be mounted automatically
[02:18] <liquidboy> oh right
[02:18] <liquidboy> sweet thanks stvn :)
[02:18] <miausX> rebooting :)
[02:19] <stvn> np
[02:20] <duncanm> hola
[02:20] <duncanm> i'm having trouble installing Mono on ubuntu
[02:20] <duncanm> this is a hoary installation
[02:20] <duncanm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:20] <duncanm>   mono: Depends: mono-jit (= 1.0.4-1) but 1.0.2-1 is to be installed or
[02:20] <duncanm>                  mono-mint (= 1.0.4-1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:21] <stvn> duncanm: you don't need the mono package
[02:21] <duncanm> what should i use?
[02:22] <duncanm> i just want to quickly setup a mono 1.0 installation to run a test
[02:22] <stvn> duncanm: mono is a metapackage, check its dependecies and install those
[02:22] <duncanm> how do i do that?
[02:22] <duncanm> i'm new to Debian/Ubuntu
[02:23] <stvn> duncanm: i'd say easiest way is to install a mono app ;)
[02:23] <duncanm> i have a CVS install on that machine already
[02:24] <duncanm> what's a fast way to remove the mono package?
[02:24] <duncanm> my CVS install is made to /usr as well, so it overlaps
[02:24] <stvn> duncanm: you just want to install the runtime environment?
[02:24] <duncanm> stvn: if i could remove all of mono, that'd be great
[02:25] <stvn> duncanm: if you have it installed by CVS, it'll be tricky i guess
[02:25] <stvn> duncanm: don't know how to uninstall CVS software
[02:25] <duncanm> no no
[02:25] <duncanm> i want to uninstall all of the mono deb packages
[02:26] <stvn> oh ok
[02:26] <stvn> duncanm: open up synaptic or aptitude, search for mono and remove all packages you come across
[02:27] <duncanm> stvn: is there no way to do it from the commandline?
[02:27] <stvn> duncanm: aptitude is commandline
[02:27] <stvn> duncanm: otherwise apt-get remove <list of debs you want to remove>
[02:36] <occy> any idea when hoary will be released as a final version and not in testing?
[02:37] <Kamion> occy: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:37] <Kamion> d'oh
[02:37] <Kamion> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:37] <Kamion> one of those days I'm going to FIX that paste bug
[02:37] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[02:38] <fabbione> Kamion: since daniles changed the topic again
[02:38] <fabbione> Kamion: i have problems compiling the emu10k1 driver on ppc for 2.6.10
[02:38] <fabbione> Kamion: do you think you can look at it after i upload the kernel?
[02:38] <occy> Kamion heh
[02:38] <fabbione> i guess we can live 2/3 days without
[02:39] <occy> morning
[02:40] <occy> ahhh, so mid april
[02:40] <Kamion> fabbione: possibly I guess, but I doubt I'm going to have any special knowledge here :)
[02:40] <occy> mid-late rather.
[02:42] <vIkSiT> is anyone using 2.6.10?
[02:42] <Kamion> occy: looks like 6 April to me
[02:44] <occy> It's not today, is what I'm saying. :)
[02:45] <Kamion> sure ...
[02:46] <pmfp> I get a lot of dependancy problems after switching warty to hoary in sources.list, and doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:46] <pmfp> first thing that goes no-no is python...
[02:47] <fabbione> Kamion: the point is that the error looks like very gcc/kernel/arch specific
[02:47] <fabbione> and i can't upgrade the chroot on davis to test
[02:47] <fabbione> but you can test locally with another gcc or perhaps with a newer version
[02:47] <Kamion> pmfp: try 'apt-get --dry-run install python2.4', tell us what gets removed
[02:48] <Kamion> fabbione: ah, ok, true
[02:48] <pmfp> Kamion: it says it's already the newest versions
[02:48] <pmfp> check this weird one out:
[02:48] <Kamion> pmfp: ok, 'apt-get --dry-run install python' then
[02:48] <pmfp>  python-apt: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:48] <Kamion> apt-get -f install
[02:49] <olimar> Hi all just upgraded to hoary but my laptop creen is only showing in 640x480 screen resolution
[02:49] <Kamion> that's apt making the wrong decision; there's something that breaks with the new python and would have to be removed, so it's choosing to hold back a zillion packages rather than remove some
[02:49] <pmfp> Kamion:  apt-get -f dist-upgrade?
[02:49] <Kamion> apt-get dist-upgrade is a crap UI for trying to diagnose this sort of thing, though
[02:49] <olimar> and I can't change the resolution to 1024!!!
[02:49] <Kamion> no, apt-get -f install
[02:49] <olimar> PLEASE help =0
[02:50] <olimar> checked the xorg.config file but the 1024 is in there
[02:50] <pmfp> Kamion: apt-get -f install [python,python2.4]  still says it's the newest version, then lists the dependancy problems
[02:50] <CaPS_> Question, I just installed Ubuntu (Warty, one of them free cd's) but it never asked me for a root password.. (that, or I missed it :| )  Anyone aware of any defaults? Or do I have to boot it into single user mode and deal with it manually?
[02:50] <Kamion> I said 'apt-get -f install', no arguments
[02:50] <occy> olimar what is Default Depth?
[02:50] <olimar> now?
[02:50] <pmfp> Kamion: oh, sorry
[02:51] <pmfp> Kamion: seems to pull through, thanks!
[02:51] <occy> olimar no, tomorrow :)
[02:51] <Kamion> cool
[02:51] <tsw> CaPS_: no password for root its disabled.. use sudo <command>
[02:51] <olimar> it's 640x480 normally it should be 1024x7something
[02:51] <tsw> CaPS_: safer that way
[02:51] <Kamion> pmfp: let us know what if anything gets removed though, it's possible there's something still depending on python (<< 2.4)
[02:51] <Kamion> especially in universe
[02:51] <occy> olimar yeah, you want to change it to 1024x768
[02:51] <olimar> yep
[02:51] <Kamion> we'll need to do a lot of upgrade tests :-/
[02:52] <pmfp> Kamion: alright
[02:53] <CaPS_> tsw
[02:53] <CaPS_> Thanks, I suppose
[02:53] <CaPS_> That'll take some getting used to
[02:53] <CaPS_> :P
[02:53] <CaPS_> tsw: Is the first user created in a group that can do root stuff through sudo?
[02:53] <tsw> CaPS_: you can issue sudo password root to change it I suppose
[02:54] <CaPS_> Because else I'm still stuck :)
[02:54] <tsw> CaPS_: yes
[02:54] <CaPS_> okidoki
[02:54] <CaPS_> thanks mate
[02:54] <tsw> have fun :)
[02:54] <pmfp> gnome-cpufreq-applet libgtop2-4 libnautilus2-2 trashapplet
[02:54] <pmfp> Kamion: that's what the apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove after the apt-get -f install
[02:54] <pmfp> x-window-system-core is held back
[02:55] <pmfp> whee, get an authentication warning too
[02:55] <CaPS_> splendid
[02:56] <ubuntu> has any have error messages on bootup: "hotplug" modules not loading permission denied etc
[02:57] <pmfp> Kamion how come so many packages are unauthenticated?
[02:58] <donpaolo> Hi guys! Anyone could help me with a Conexant AccessRunner pci adsl modem to use it with ubuntu?
[02:58] <ogra> pmfp: install ubuntu-keyring
[02:58] <pmfp> ogra: righty
[02:59] <ogra> ubuntu: you can ignore them...... its just a weird way to tell you you have no such HW
[02:59] <ubuntu> ogra: I see thanks
[03:00] <Kamion> pmfp: because you haven't yet installed ubuntu-keyring and added the Ubuntu archive key to apt-key. We'll be automating this as time goes on; the authentication feature is new.
[03:00] <ogra> ubuntu: there is a howto on the wiki, how to get rid of the errors if they annoy you
[03:00] <ubuntu> cool thanks mate
[03:00] <ogra> :)
[03:00] <ubuntu> I'll go have a look
[03:01] <ubuntu> bye for now
[03:02] <Shufla> hello :>
[03:02] <CaPS_> Another question, on a fresh install, what steps do I take to get Rhythmbox to play MP3 for me ? :)
[03:02] <ogra> CaPS_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:03] <pmfp> I always thought it was just the encoding part that was illegal to redistribute without license (or something), not the decoding
[03:03] <pmfp> for mp3 at leats
[03:04] <pmfp> s/leats/least
[03:04] <CaPS_> pmfp, afaik that's correct.
[03:04] <ogra> pmfp: you have to pay fraunhofer for distributing the decoder, its patented
[03:05] <ogra> pmfp: on a CD that is
[03:05] <CaPS_> well, I for one don't feel like recoding everything into ogg :P
[03:05] <CaPS_> ogra, thanks though, that'll get me going.
[03:05] <ogra> :)
[03:05] <zaeem> hi all
[03:05] <pmfp> CaPS_: I think you're doing right in that... personally don't think ogg is equally good, imho
[03:05] <pmfp> zaeem: hi
[03:06] <CaPS_> This is a startling experience. I join this Linux help channel and I actually get helped. I've been using Linux for years, but this is new ;P
[03:06] <ogra> pmfp: ogg is as good as mp3
[03:06] <zaeem> pmfp: used parted?
[03:06] <pmfp> zaeem: ask openly and descriptevly in the channel and you're more likely to get help
[03:06] <agenteo> I'm using jigdo-lite to download a DVD iso from a web repository, the file is sized around 4GB, the process ends when the file become 2GB sized! Someone has experienced this problem or know a solution?
[03:06] <zaeem> pmfp: righto..
[03:07] <vegai> ogg is better than mp3
[03:07] <pmfp> in my personal opinion, nah
[03:07] <vegai> but coding your existing mp3 into ogg makes a mess, off course :)
[03:07] <vegai> of*
[03:08] <zaeem> i would like to split my root partition into multiple without any data loss and preferably without unmounting it..its reiser4 and scsi...is it possible?
[03:08] <occy> is there a net install?
[03:08] <pmfp> zaeem: if you can resize the partitions, yes
[03:09] <occy> or floppy disc install?  My cd rom seems like it might be having issues.
[03:09] <zaeem> pmfp: care to explain?
[03:09] <ogra> zaeem: why do you want to do that ? ot only raises the latency.....
[03:09] <pmfp> zaeem: make a backup, resize the partition and create appropriate new ones, mount them at the right place, and move the contents
[03:09] <occy> course, where I'd get floppies, I have no idea.
[03:09] <CaPS_> Oooh synaptic
[03:09] <CaPS_> <insert more oooh ahhh sounds>
[03:10] <ogra> CaPS_: you should see the upcoming release ;)
[03:10] <zaeem> ogra: multiple partitions on the same disk increase latency??
[03:11] <zaeem> pmfp: the problem is that neither cdrom nor floppy are operational and no replacement
[03:11] <occy> FC3 failed when I tried to install  (media issues it says)
[03:11] <occy> heh
[03:11] <ogra> zaeem: sure, you force the head to start and stop all the time....there are not much reasons to split
[03:11] <occy> So I'm guessing it's the cdrom
[03:12] <CaPS_> ogra, heh :)
[03:12] <occy> hmm
[03:12] <zaeem> ogra: any links where i can get some info for my boss...:(
[03:12] <CaPS_> ogra, let me get used to this first. I'm coming from Gentoo. I'll all upset Ubuntu is doing all sorts of stuff for me
[03:12] <CaPS_> :P
[03:12] <ogra> zaeem: nope, i think google is your friend there
[03:12] <Ran> hellohello, why there are so many Python packages in Ubuntu? (I like it, but I wonder anyway)
[03:12] <CaPS_> (upset in a "god, why did I do this shit myself" way)
[03:12] <ogra> zaeem: why does he want this ?
[03:13] <pmfp> Ran: so that you can install parts of python and it's addons without forcing on you all addons
[03:13] <zaeem> ogra: long reasons..leave it
[03:13] <Kamion> Ran: the boss loves Python :)
[03:13] <ogra> zaeem: in certain setups more partitions make sense....
[03:14] <Ran> I thought that some Ubuntu only component ran on Python.
[03:14] <ogra> zaeem: they can also speed up if you put them on different disks......but on one disk it makes only sense if you plan to reinstall often or want to grow and shrink a certain part
[03:15] <ogra> all the time
[03:15] <CaPS_> Is there any way to upgrade Firefox to 1.0 through the package system at this time ? (preferably without moving forward to the unstable branche)
[03:15] <wezzer-> search at ubuntu forums
[03:15] <pmfp> CaPS_: yes, there's an unofficial source
[03:16] <ogra> CaPS_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[03:16] <wezzer-> there is a howto for upgrading firefox
[03:16] <pmfp> CaPS_: check wiki-plicki
[03:16] <CaPS_> ogra, that sounds encouraging
[03:16] <CaPS_> ;-)
[03:16] <ogra> hehe
[03:16] <Ran> whats wrong with firefox 1.0 that is not on official repository?
[03:16] <ogra> CaPS_: from last week (one of my favs):
[03:17] <ogra> [04:21:47]  <findme> this is a big crowd here
[03:17] <ogra> [04:21:53]  <findme> have all gentoo users moved here ?
[03:17] <ogra> hehe
[03:17] <odo> haha
[03:17] <CaPS_> :P
[03:17] <pmfp> Ran: A release version only recieves security updates until the next release distribution is ready
[03:17] <odo> Actually, I did use Gentoo before :)