[12:00] <Tomcat_> jdub: Intel Centrino WLAN, ipw2200... but only want to know what the installer wants to install from the net. :)
[12:00] <Gwildor> seek187, how to open a private window?.....xchat?
[12:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you need to add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules
[12:00] <Tomcat_> +I
[12:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that should work ok during install, but even if it doesn't install from the net during install, you can do that afterwards
[12:00] <seek187> a window will open when they message back
[12:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that bit is just upgrading
[12:01] <Gwildor> seek187, kk
[12:01] <gamehack> can someone help me, I've configured my CPUFreq applet but when clicking on it, it doesn't show anything...although i can change the frequency with the cpufreq-selector fromt the console ?
[12:01] <gamehack> thanks very much
[12:01] <spikeb> is usplash usable yet? :)
[12:01] <PorscheBoy> jdub, so in order to get into gnome i had to change "nvidia" to "nv" to use X
[12:01] <Tomcat_> jdub: Yeah, it did... the problem is that the installer only *searched* for access points and didn't give me a list... I got 2 neighbors with open access points here. :)
[12:01] <Tomcat_> jdub: I just don't want to be missing anything now that the system's installed. :o
[12:01] <PorscheBoy> jdub, r u sure this will fix it?
[12:01] <Tomcat_> jdub: If it's just upgrading that's okay... I just did that. Thanks. :)
[12:01] <kulaki> hi! ubuntu doesn't turn off my pc after shutdown. pls help.
[12:02] <Solkaris> so basically jdub if someone is interested in packaging for Ubuntu we have to support Debian also? even if we dont want to?
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) "if they're not particularly attractive things for support" ...
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) for ubuntu support
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) as said above
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) if it's something we definitely want to include, we'll do it
[12:03] <Gwildor> seek187, how would i locate this person, like find whatroom they are in
[12:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) there's no solid protocol for inclusion in universe independent of debian atm, so easiest thing to do is get it in debian :P)
[12:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) :)
[12:03] <seek187> try /whois nickname
[12:03] <Gwildor> thnx
[12:03] <Rene_S> If i embed Ubuntu into my microwave will my food taste better ?
[12:03] <seek187> np
[12:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: yeah, installer just tries to connect to anything it can, which is a bit silly ;)
[12:04] <zenwhen_> Rene_S, no. You need to install gentoo to get your microwave hot enough to cook food. Its the compiling that does it.
[12:04] <Gwildor> seek187, i dont think it works
[12:04] <seek187> Gwildor,  it shows up in status tab
[12:04] <Gwildor> oh...thnx
[12:04] <Solkaris> so basically scratch your own itch and dont worry about bothering until there is a protocol if you dont feel like dealing with Debian
[12:04] <Tomcat_> jdub: Well, the fact that it recognized my chipset, asked for a WEP key and then found a network (and all this in the installer!) really impressed me.  I was having trouble on my warty installation to get PHP's mail() function to work.  I've just read 'Also, the user that compiled PHP must have permission to access the sendmail binary.'  Is there a way to resolve this problem?
[12:14] <dle> apart from compiling mod_php4 for myself, which I'd prefer not to do.
[12:14] <__daniel> dle: does mailing from that host in general work for you?
[12:15] <dle> yes.
[12:15] <__daniel> dle: user www-data (running the webserver) should be able to send mails
[12:16] <dle> __daniel: yes, but it ain't. :)
[12:16] <__daniel> dle: hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:16] <dle> the logs aren't revealing either.
[12:18] <dle> I think I fixed it. :)
[12:19] <Ubuntu> anyone try todays hoary packages?
[12:19] <__daniel> ubuntu: are you too scared to try them yourself? ;-)
[12:19] <Ubuntu> daniel:  YEAH :)
[12:19] <seek187> Ubuntu, yes
[12:19] <Ubuntu> dont want to break my system
[12:19] <socks> I cant wait intil penguin
[12:19] <seek187> lol
[12:19] <Ubuntu> seek187 any differences?
[12:19] <seek187> Nope not really
[12:20] <Ubuntu> seek187:  i saw some gnome stuff
[12:20] <Ubuntu> ill reboot gnome
[12:20] <__daniel> ubuntu: try installing them yourself and use   apt-listchanges
[12:20] <seek187> yeah applets
[12:20] <Ubuntu> seek187 yep
[12:20] <Ubuntu> gonna reboot
[12:20] <Ubuntu> brb
[12:21] <Rene_S> nice, clean upgrade to Ubuntu "Hurtme".
[12:21] <aaroncuk> my server stopped responding to pings etc.. had to reboot it.. is there a log i can check to see why?
[12:21] <Ubuntu> looks the same to me
[12:22] <__daniel> aaroncuk: /var/log/syslog
[12:22] <__daniel> ubuntu: start coding and change the world :-)
[12:23] <aaroncuk> whats the view command lol
[12:23] <__daniel> aaroncuk: tail <filename> shows you the last lines (-f for "following-mode") (-n <number> shows the last n lines)
[12:24] <__daniel> aaroncuk: man tail   for more options :-)
[12:24] <the_one> hi
[12:24] <Rene_S> Hola
[12:24] <Ubuntu> daneil:  i want to fix the monitor bug
[12:25] <Ubuntu> daniel:  I mean the autodetection
[12:25] <Solkaris> jdub dh-make or debmake the prefered?
[12:25] <Ubuntu> daniel:  Im gonna take a look at the source
[12:25] <the_one> guys, my mouse' batteries died, and I swapped mice, now no mouse will work, even the original one, not even after reboot. I have 2 usb mice
[12:25] <Solkaris> jdub nm .. found that answer
[12:25] <Rene_S> ROB|MEPIS is now known as ROB|UNDECIDED|DISTRO
[12:26] <ROB|MEPIS> haha no
[12:26] <the_one> what's the solution?
[12:26] <Ubuntu> any new gnome applets or is it just bugfixes?
[12:26] <ROB|MEPIS> Right now ... I'm MEPIS, Yoper, Ubuntu, Kanotix and Libranet ... those are my only 5
[12:26] <the_one> anyone?
[12:26] <__daniel> ubuntu /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz is your friend :-)
[12:27] <ROB|MEPIS> I'm gonna be testing and going 1 by 1 to see which 1 i like and do not and which 1 im gonna stay with
[12:27] <the_one> please, I need some guidance
[12:27] <Rene_S> I had to give up on Yoper, not sure if there gonna be around too much longer
[12:27] <Solkaris> jdub .. you said to read the new maintainer guide .. trying to make sure I have all the software listed installed .. cant seem to find imake .. and ideas?
[12:27] <seek187> Rene_S, I know doesn't seem like it.. that's what I used before this
[12:27] <ROB|MEPIS> Rene_S: I hope they do because its hell nice
[12:28] <ROB|MEPIS> I have 3 partitions here so I'm gonna install Yoper and/or Ubuntu or Kanotix tonight
[12:28] <Ubuntu> daniel:  How do you do an ls by page?
[12:28] <Rene_S> Yeah its a nice distro, sure hope he can figure out how to fund it
[12:28] <Ubuntu> daniel:  ls -what?
[12:28] <ROB|MEPIS> Yea
[12:29] <__daniel> ubuntu: ls <bla> | more
[12:29] <Ubuntu> thanks daniel
[12:29] <Rene_S> ah crap i upgraded Kaffeine to the new lame version again, brb gotta downgrade
[12:30] <Ubuntu> daniel that log shows gibberish
[12:30] <__daniel> ubuntu its a .gz
[12:30] <Ubuntu> daniel:  oh
[12:30] <__daniel> ubuntu: so you have to    zmore bla.gz
[12:30] <Ubuntu> daniel:  so i have to unzip it?
[12:30] <Ubuntu> oh
[12:30] <Ubuntu> ok
[12:31] <__daniel> ubuntu: no, you dont have to
[12:31] <__daniel> ubuntu: zcat, ztail, zgrep and zmore are you friends :-)
[12:31] <Solkaris> any devs on .. have a question about the maintainers guide
[12:31] <Ubuntu> daniel:  New drivemount, new trash applet
[12:31] <Ubuntu> interesting :)
[12:31] <__daniel> ubuntu: just install apt-listchanges
[12:32] <Ubuntu> nah
[12:32] <Ubuntu> why do i have to?
[12:32] <__daniel> ubuntu: it mails you the changes of a packages upgrade
[12:32] <Ubuntu> daniel nah not necessary
[12:33] <Ubuntu> daniel is there a weather applet in gnome?
[12:33] <Ubuntu> it says weather but i dont see it
[12:34] <__daniel> apt-cache search weather applet
[12:34] <Ubuntu> daniel so its not part of gnome?
[12:34] <__daniel> apt-cache show gnome-applets :-)
[12:34] <Ubuntu> daniel no i mean where in gnome can i find it?
[12:34] <__daniel> if you try to add it, look out for "W"
[12:34] <Ubuntu> on the screen i mean
[12:34] <__daniel> "W" like weather :-)
[12:34] <__daniel> rightclick on panel -> add applet
[12:34] <Ubuntu> daniel is it installed?
[12:35] <Ubuntu> oh
[12:35] <Ubuntu> ahhhhhhhh
[12:35] <Ubuntu> i didnt know it had those
[12:35] <Ubuntu> daniel most people wouldnt realize that, should be a little better way
[12:35] <Ubuntu> not that i dont like it
[12:36] <__daniel> ubuntu: think about a better way and propose it on the gnome*-lists :-)
[12:36] <Ubuntu> daniel yeah i will
[12:36] <Ubuntu> daniel developers will prolly say no :P
[12:36] <__daniel> they wont
[12:36] <__daniel> if it's a good idea and you dig yourself into the code to at least propose changes :-)
[12:37] <Solkaris> is there a Dev in channel
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel :  One problem, weather has no way to change location
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel from the applet :P
[12:37] <Solkaris> err is there a Dev in channel that is currently paying attention to IRC?
[12:37] <__daniel> Solkaris: just ask your question
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel oops
[12:37] <__daniel> Solkaris: you'll see if they pay attention
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel everything is there, just its confusing
[12:37] <Solkaris> ok __daniel
[12:38] <__daniel> ubuntu: i didnt code it :-)
[12:38] <Ubuntu> daniel its a very nice app
[12:38] <__daniel> ubuntu: you may also have a look at gdesklets
[12:38] <Ubuntu> the applets i like alot, just kinda needs to be clearer
[12:39] <Solkaris> Im trying to learn how to build packages .. was refered to debian new maintainer manual .. question is to fold .. is there any know pdf of this material? and where is imake and xmkmf
[12:40] <Solkaris> *crickets*
[12:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show debhelper... its pretty handy...
[12:41] <__daniel> Solkaris: apt-cache search imake, apt-cache search xmkmf
[12:41] <Solkaris> yea and thats an answer to a pdf version and why there is no imake and xmkmf in ubuntu how?
[12:41] <Solkaris> there is no imake or xmkmf in the repository
[12:41] <Rene_S> Whatever happened to the service-admin tool that usually is in gnome-system-tools ?
[12:42] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: removed
[12:42] <tvon|x31> or disabled
[12:42] <tvon|x31> generally not there in some respect
[12:42] <__daniel> Solkaris: look what i told you about imake and xmkmf
[12:42] <Rene_S> aww, I miss that one, saves me from having to guess what things to remove
[12:42] <lil_anthony> question: is there a really easy to use gui prefered ftp deamon for ubuntu? i just want to setup  user/password an a directory where the user can send and receive files from
[12:43] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: the idea is that in a destkop the end user shouldnthave to screw with services
[12:43] <tvon|x31> something like that
[12:43] <Solkaris> trey' thank you for not answering my actual question .. I did what you said and it was zero help
[12:43] (trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: the only thing that comes up for both is "xutils"... this is what you want him to look at?
[12:43] <__daniel> Solkaris: looking at debhelper isnt done in "just a minute"
[12:43] <Ubuntu1> help
[12:44] <prescor> Hi.
[12:44] <__daniel> trey`: dunni...
[12:44] <Ubuntu1> i deleted the bottom bar accidentally
[12:44] <prescor> Doesn anyone have MOL running on Ubuntu?
[12:44] <Rene_S> Yeah thats fine in theory, however; I dont own a laptop or raid stuff or wireless things so I want to disable those services
[12:44] <Ubuntu1> daniel:  I added weather to the bottom bar, then somehow deleted that bar on the bottom
[12:44] <__daniel> trey`: dunno... i thought they were included in the package
[12:44] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show xutils ...
[12:44] <Ubuntu1> daniel:  How do i readd it?
[12:44] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: what are you building that requires imake/xmkmf?
[12:44] (trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: both are listed in the package... apt-cache show xutils  :)
[12:44] <__daniel> trey`: i know
[12:44] <Solkaris> yea and it didnt answer the basic question is the Debian New Maintainers guide available in PDF? and why does it said document say to install 2 programs the dont exist in the repository?
[12:45] <Ubuntu2> daniel:  I have a problem :P
[12:45] <Ubuntu2> my bar is still open and i have 2 x-chats running
[12:45] <Solkaris> Im following the bloody list of programs to have installed in the document you sent me to jdub .. it says to install .. Im trying to install
[12:45] <Ubuntu2> and i cant see the bottom bar
[12:45] <Solkaris> should I not be installing those?
[12:45] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: Why do you want it in PDF form?
[12:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you only need stuff required by what you want to build
[12:46] <Rene_S> right click on your desktop, open a terminal type gnome-panel restart
[12:46] <Solkaris> if not then why didnt someone just tell me that instead of trying to fob me off to apt-cache?
[12:46] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i think it would be better off if you did an 'apt-get source gedit' and looked at how other packages are done
[12:46] <Solkaris> trey' Oh for printing parts of  .. simply easier to read that a freaking webpage .. that kind of thing
[12:46] <__daniel> Ubuntu2: i did the same once... i guess, i just had to add a new panel
[12:46] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: will help as you read the new maintainer guide
[12:46] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because xutils contains the other packages you want...
[12:47] <Ubuntu> didnt work
[12:47] <Solkaris> trey' in the future just saying that would have helped
[12:47] <Ubuntu> it said i had a panel opened already
[12:47] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: saying that doesn't make you use the tools provided though...
[12:48] <Ubuntu> wasnt there a bar on the bottom of the screen by default?
[12:48] <__daniel> ubuntu: not if you deleted it :-/
[12:48] <Solkaris> jdub first you say read 10 chapter book on building packages and now your saying just read the gedit build?
[12:48] <Ubuntu1> hmm
[12:48] <Rene_S> ok then in a terminal type killall gnome-panel
[12:48] <Ubuntu1> still missing the bottom bar
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no, both.
[12:49] <Solkaris> trey' thanks for trying to teach me something when Im so frustrated Im ready to f'ing fdisk this drive .. so utterly helpful and assistive
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> rene:  No what i want is to readd the bottom bar
[12:49] <Rene_S> then retype the gnome-panel restart command
[12:49] <Chibi> Add a new panel, doofis. :P
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> chibi how??
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: looking at examples is very helpful. there are examples in the documentation and available in the distro.
[12:49] <Rene_S> do you have a panel already ?
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> rene:  what is a panel?
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: there is no need to be frustrated.
[12:49] <Chibi> I haven't used gnome panel in a while, but I belive you just right click the existing panel
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> rene:  All i know is im missing the bottom bar
[12:49] <Slackman> heya, are there any plans to add ppc KDE packages for either warty or hoary?
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> chibi:  I have no existing panel
[12:49] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: blah... what people have said are what everyone does to learn... read the documentation, then look at examples...
[12:49] <Slackman> and if so is there any thing i can do to help
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> i deleted it accidentally
[12:50] <__daniel> Solkaris: try to calm done... packaging projects won't work being frustrated :-/
[12:50] <Chibi> Both of them?
[12:50] <Rene_S> its the bar that you normaly have at the top and bottom of your desktop
[12:50] <Ubuntu1> chibi u mean the bottom panel?
[12:50] <Solkaris> jdub ok .. my question was about the fact that the guide said make sure you have x y z installed .. if I dont need y or z Im cool with that just needed someone to say dont need them .. not lead me on a goose chase
[12:50] <Ubuntu1> rene:  right, i have a top panel not a bottom panel
[12:50] <Chibi> The top and bottom panel are both the same program
[12:50] <cardador> Ubuntu: right click on the top panel, chose new panel,  drag it to the bottom
[12:50] <Chibi> right click the top panel and make a new panel
[12:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: if kde hasn't built on ppc, the build logs will show why -> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[12:50] <Chibi> :o
[12:50] <Ubuntu1> cardador thanks
[12:50] <Rene_S> oh then right click on the bar and choose new panel
[12:50] <zez> hello
[12:50] <Slackman> jdub, thanks...
[12:50] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I'd imagine jdub assumes you read the developer docs by now, and thus looking at a already-done package would be helpful to make what you read more clear...
[12:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: that wasn't the question you asked though
[12:50] <Rene_S> I thought you had no panel at all hehe
[12:51] <Solkaris> trey' you assume alot I can see .. stop trying to do that .. might make your comments more helpful
[12:51] <zez> what do I need to change the print command to in mozilla?  I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install
[12:52] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: how about I just /ignore you, and you can continue wasting devel's time... go you...
[12:52] <Solkaris> yea the question why arent these 2 programs in the repository when the book says to install them .. if someone had said .. they arent needed that would have been all good .. or they are part of another package so check to see if its installed
[12:52] <Ubuntu> now its double the size and its empty
[12:52] <Ubuntu> how do i restore it back to default?
[12:52] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: damnit, THEY ARE... they are part of the xutils package!!!
[12:52] <__daniel> Solkaris: i can really understand trey`... try to take it slow
[12:52] <Solkaris> trey' please do asap .. since you havent dont a damn thing to help me
[12:53] <Ubuntu> is there a quick way to restore the bottom back to default?
[12:53] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I have though... you just refuse to take it... but whatever... done...
[12:53] <Solkaris> than why didnt you fucking saying that to start with assmonkey? instead of sitting ontop your throne looking down ... just fing saying it .. dont play teacher with other utils
[12:53] <__daniel> ubuntu: don't think so
[12:53] <Ubuntu> daniel dang
[12:53] <Ubuntu> daniel i bet im not the 1st to do this
[12:54] <__daniel> Solkaris: just add a new panel (somehow) and re-apply all the applets
[12:54] <Ubuntu> daniel:  How many pixels is your bottom bar?
[12:54] <Rene_S> I use 32
[12:54] <Rene_S> sometimes 36
[12:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: dude, please chill. that's inappropriate for this channel.
[12:54] <Ubuntu> rene what is the default one?
[12:54] <Slackman> jdub.some of the packages like kde-artwork don't even have entried..does that mean they aren't attempted becuase a dep failed?
[12:55] <Ubuntu> rene:  32 or 36?
[12:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: hrm, not sure.
[12:55] <Rene_S> I dunno, I always get a 24 for the bottom
[12:55] <Solkaris> I came here looking for help .. tried to follow that .. and I got contempt and attitude .. is this what I can expect in the future?
[12:55] <__daniel> ubuntu: 43
[12:55] <Ubuntu> can someone click on the bottom to see how many pixels it is
[12:55] <Ubuntu> 43? thanks
[12:55] <Rene_S> not sure what the top is
[12:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i don't think you have.
[12:55] <Ubuntu> daniel no its not 43
[12:55] <kensai> I have to hard Drives is it posible from my ubuntu installation to format the other hard drive and create partitions with it? How?
[12:55] <Ubuntu> daniel:  I dont mean when u add a new panel
[12:55] <__daniel> ubuntu: mine is 43 :-)
[12:55] <Solkaris> well jdub Im trying but Im really frustated and having someone that knows the answer then play games with me is even more annoying
[12:56] <Ubuntu> daniel:  I mean the default bottom bar size
[12:56] <Rene_S> 24
[12:56] <Slackman> jdub, is there a ppc devel team that handles that stuff or is it purely just a build script?
[12:56] <__daniel> Solkaris: nobody plays games
[12:56] <Ubuntu> thanks rene
[12:56] <Rene_S> its the smallest it can go
[12:56] <Ubuntu> rene so 24 is the default right?
[12:56] <Rene_S> yeah
[12:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: no, everyone tracks the architectures, but we don't concentrate on unsupported packages
[12:56] <Ubuntu> rene:  Ok now what was on that taskbar?
[12:56] <Ubuntu> i have to readd the stuff
[12:56] <Solkaris> no I was .. I went to the web page that you told me to go jdub. I was starting from the beginning of said document which says make sure you have this stuff installed
[12:56] <Rene_S> windows list
[12:56] <pdaoust> hey, does anyone know where MySQL stores its databases in Ubuntu or Debian?
[12:57] <Rene_S> window task switcher
[12:57] <mike998> Gentlemen: Just wanted to say thanks to whoever helped me the other night
[12:57] <Solkaris> so I was making sure I had everything listed installed .. I ran into a problem finding 2 packages
[12:57] <Rene_S> and show desktop
[12:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: so you asked where it was, and you were told that apt-cache search could help you find things.
[12:57] <__daniel> ubuntu: just add whatever you like to see ;-)
[12:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: do this: 'rm ~/.gnome*'
[12:57] <__daniel> trey`: ???
[12:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) then log out and back in, you will get a default gnome again...
[12:57] <Solkaris> and when I asked about that .. rather than say " its part of Package X" I got conflicting use apt-cache bs .. why didnt they just say the first one?
[12:57] <Ubuntu> rene:  Which one is windows task switcher?
[12:57] <Ubuntu> trey:  Its ok i got it
[12:58] <Slackman> jdub, ah fair enough..erm is there some documentation i can read to get up to scratch with how stuff works. I love ubuntu and i'd like to help, so maybe i could try to get the kde packages to build for PPC
[12:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because it's more helpful to show you how to search for things
[12:58] <Rene_S> workspace switcher
[12:58] <osiris_22> i need some help guys,.. i just installed ubuntu
[12:58] <Rene_S> sorry wrong choice of words
[12:58] <__daniel> Solkaris: re-talking talk doesnt help you now, does it? i dont want to be rude, but try to get on a bit slower with people...
[12:58] <Ubuntu> rene thanks
[12:58] <Slackman> jdub, by stuff i mean the build scripts etc..
[12:58] <Slackman> :)
[12:58] <Ubuntu> rene:  So theres just 3 things by default right?
[12:58] <Rene_S> it goes on the far right hand side
[12:58] <osiris_22> how do i access my windows partition?
[12:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: the output up there is from the build daemons, which automate building all of the packages
[12:58] <osiris_22> how do i also get java installed right to install limewire
[12:59] <Rene_S> the show destop on the left hand
[12:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: there isn't really a good map of how it all fits together yet
[12:59] <mike998> osiris_22: what did you call your windows partition when you partitioned your hard-drive?
[12:59] <Rene_S> and the other next to the show desktop
[12:59] <pdaoust> ha ha, never mind -- I don't even have MySQL server installed :)
[12:59] <Ubuntu> rene:  Its a little to the right for the show desktop
[12:59] <osiris_22> i didnt call it anything
[12:59] <Mitario> anybody knows what could be the cause that when I use evolution and imap to log on to my imap server my login failes, but when I access trough ssh i can login
[12:59] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: top bar has 7 entries... bottem has 4...
[12:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: but basically, stuff gets uploaded as source, the buildds build it (with logs), and then it gets plopped in the archive :)
[12:59] <Ubuntu> trey whats the 4th one?
[12:59] <Solkaris> if I wanted to take classes on it great .. but Im trying to do something .. I dont want to spend the next hour trying to figure out if its installed or not .. the short answer would have been far more helpful and less frustrating .. the answer I got made the situation worse
[01:00] <Solkaris> so it didnt teach me anything other than some people cant give a straight answer
[01:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: perhaps the trash applet?
[01:00] <Rene_S> Showdesktop_WindowList_Windowselector
[01:00] <Slackman> jdub, cool, well i'll have a go and see what i can do... :)
[01:00] <Ubuntu> rene which is the 4th one?
[01:00] <mike998> try sudo mkdir /share && sudo mount /dev/hdb /share
[01:00] <Rene_S> oh yeah that too
[01:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: people are tyring to help you generally, so please let it go
[01:00] <Ubuntu> oh yeah thats it
[01:00] <Ubuntu> thanks :)
[01:00] <zez> what do I need to change the print command to in mozilla?  I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install
[01:00] <mike998> i think
[01:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it would seriously be easier if you just remove the .gnome stuff, and restart though  ;)
[01:00] <Rene_S> I trash mine so i forget its there
[01:00] <Solkaris> and I never got an answer for the pdf part .. just a response of why would you want that .. that really isnt an answer thats attitude
[01:00] <Ubuntu> trey` how do i do that?
[01:00] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Ill try it :)
[01:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oi, there is a kdeartwork log :)
[01:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdeartwork/
[01:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: like I said... 'rm .gnome*'  :)
[01:01] <Ubuntu> trey`:  ok
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: ahr, but not for ppc
[01:01] <mike998> osiris_22: try checking your Synaptic Package Manager
[01:01] <osiris_22> yeah
[01:01] <osiris_22> i did mike
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oh, there is for warty though
[01:01] <osiris_22> i installed java
[01:01] <osiris_22> but it needs to be in the path
[01:01] <mike998> okay - try cd /share
[01:01] <osiris_22> for limewire
[01:01] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: the dir's will be recreated when you log in... they will be exactly how they were when you first installed Ubuntu  :)
[01:01] <osiris_22> and when i go to the java dir
[01:01] <osiris_22> there is no files there
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman:
[01:01] <Solkaris> sorry jdub but this has been the worst experience in several years of linux use .. I didnt even get that kind of response from Gentoo people .. guess Ubuntu is just Debian attitude in a new dress
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) kdebase-dev(inst 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 ! >> wanted 4:3.3.0) kdelibs4-dev(inst 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 4:3.3.0)
[01:02] (jdub/#ubuntu)
[01:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it's not.
[01:02] <osiris_22> im new to linux and i really dont know what im doing..
[01:02] <Ubuntu> trey` :  sudo right?
[01:02] <mike998> osiris_22: you have gone beyond my knowledge - I'm a newbie too
[01:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no, they are in your home dir  :)
[01:02] <Ubuntu> try`:  I ran it but now i get a < prompt
[01:02] <mike998> what documentation have you tried reading ?
[01:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: log out and back in...
[01:02] <osiris_22> there is no documentation on
[01:02] <osiris_22> it
[01:03] <osiris_22> i just wanna be able to get mp3s
[01:03] <osiris_22> and i have no way of doing this
[01:03] <osiris_22> with out java being in the right path
[01:03] <Solkaris> well I was just given the same treatment here that I got when I tried to use debian .. ask a simple question and get an answer that while it educates doesnt answer the question
[01:03] <Ubuntu> trey`:  i messed up terminal
[01:03] <osiris_22> and i have no idea what the hell that means lol
[01:03] <mxpxpod> is there a webpage for the buildd's for ubuntu?
[01:03] <Ubuntu> trey ok im back in terminal
[01:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it helped you answer your question. please let it go and get on with things. this metadiscussion is not helpful.
[01:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: well gtk-gnutella is a better program and does not need java..
[01:03] <osiris_22> wjhere do i get that gamma
[01:03] <Ubuntu> now just from there run it without sudo?
[01:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) mxpxpod: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[01:03] <mike998> heh- i have a vauge idea, but I'm afraid I don't use Limewire.  I tend to use IRC channels to get my mp3s, if I want to get them
[01:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yup...
[01:04] <__daniel> Solkaris: you didnt get a META-META-answer, so don't complain... most people are happy to get to know tools to help them
[01:04] <Ubuntu> trey:  In /desktop?
[01:04] <Gnobody> The only anwsers I ever get are "it's in the wiki" or "why do you want to do that? n00b!"
[01:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: it's in universe
[01:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: then /etc/init.d/gdm restart from terminal...
[01:04] <Slackman> jdub, heya...where are the warty logs? i just noticed that apt-requires kde-core...however the build and package dirs are kde-base
[01:04] <osiris_22> its in universe?
[01:04] <osiris_22> dude gamma
[01:04] <osiris_22> im a newb
[01:04] <osiris_22> i dont know
[01:04] <mxpxpod> jdub: thanks
[01:04] <tvon|x31> I really hate it when I ask a question and someone asks why I'm doing it
[01:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... its a hidden file... ls -a in your home dir...
[01:04] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Whats the command again?
[01:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: in synapic enable the universe respository
[01:05] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: rm -r ~/.gnome*
[01:05] <mike998> osiris_22: there is documentation on adding universe to your synaptic repositiries
[01:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I mean synaptic
[01:05] <mxpxpod> daniels: ping
[01:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then you should find it if you search
[01:05] <Ubuntu> trey`:  was there a different .gnome as root?
[01:05] <Solkaris> waste of time
[01:05] <osiris_22> hey gamma
[01:05] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Cause i did a sudo that......
[01:05] <osiris_22> how do i inable that in synaptic
[01:05] <Ubuntu> i didnt mess anything up right?
[01:05] <osiris_22> im in synaptic
[01:05] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yes... ls -a /root
[01:06] <osiris_22> but i dotn see that choice
[01:06] <Ubuntu> trey` crap
[01:06] <Ubuntu> trey`:  I removed the root one
[01:06] <mike998> osiris_22: check out http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html
[01:06] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Doesnt matter?
[01:06] <mike998> It's what I used
[01:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: doesn't really matter though, will still be recreated...
[01:06] <cardador> osiris_22: preferences -> repositories
[01:06] <Ubuntu> ok
[01:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: now do it in your home dir though  :)
[01:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: settings->repositories
[01:06] <Slackman> jdub, n/m found the warty one..but yeh its looking for package names that aren't the same
[01:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) (without sudo)
[01:07] <mike998> GammaRay:Ooooo - I learned something
[01:07] <Ubuntu> trey ok
[01:07] <Ubuntu> done
[01:07] <Ubuntu> gotta reboot gnome
[01:07] <Ubuntu> brb
[01:07] <osiris_22> ok gamma
[01:08] <osiris_22> when i start synaptic
[01:08] <osiris_22> i get errors now
[01:08] <Ubuntu> now it made it worse
[01:08] <Ubuntu> theres a bar on the right
[01:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: like what?
[01:08] <cardador> Ubuntu: drag it to where you want it
[01:08] <__daniel> ubuntu: drag it down
[01:09] <Ubuntu> i think i did something wrong
[01:09] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: wtf... blah... should have restored defaults...  :/
[01:09] <Ubuntu> trey`:  what are the procedures again?
[01:09] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: I do it whenever I fuck something up (which is quite often...)
[01:09] <osiris_22> could not stat source package list http something something something
[01:09] <Ubuntu> trey`:  and i just run em all from terminal?
[01:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: press the reload button
[01:10] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: just 'rm -r ~/.gnome*' and log out and back into gnome...
[01:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: that won't get it all
[01:10] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: this will remove .gnome .gnome2 and .gnome2_private...
[01:10] <Ubuntu> trey after i do that i get a >
[01:10] <Ubuntu> thats normal?
[01:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ~/.gconf is where most settings are stored
[01:10] <osiris_22> ok what was the name of the program
[01:11] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: That doesn't tend to keep panel info afaik?
[01:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtj-gnutella
[01:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtk-gnutella
[01:11] <Ubuntu> trey nope directories not empty
[01:12] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it shouldn't have changed your prompt at all... this only affects gnome...
[01:12] <Ubuntu> i did exactly as you said rm -r ~/.gnome*'
[01:12] <cardador> GammaRay: LimeWire is much better
[01:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: I disagree
[01:12] <Ubuntu> and after it changed my prompt to >
[01:12] <Ubuntu> i exit and the directories are still there
[01:12] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: haha... they use the same protocol... and gtk-gnutella is faster...
[01:12] <Ubuntu> maybe without the '?
[01:12] <cardador> trey`: for me is the opposite... limewire is much faster :\
[01:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: ahh... yes...
[01:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: uh huh...
[01:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: that makes no sense... java is slow for me  :/
[01:13] <Ubuntu> trey ok
[01:13] <Ubuntu> trey works :P
[01:13] <Ubuntu> gonna relog in
[01:13] <Ubuntu> brb
[01:13] <cardador> trey`: i mean the downloads. they start almost imediately
[01:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: :)   I was just quoting the commands...
[01:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) gtk-gnutella also has killer rules which coudl allow it to operate on it's own if you wanted
[01:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: should be irrelivant, its the same network  :/
[01:14] <cardador> GammaRay: ill try gtk-gnutella again..
[01:14] <Ubuntu> nope
[01:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: but we don't approve of stealing music... so you should talk about this in #ubuntu-offtopic or something  :)
[01:14] <Ubuntu> still there
[01:14] <Ubuntu> trey:  Nope no good
[01:14] <Ubuntu> trey:  maybe i have to reboot?
[01:15] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... it should have already restored defaults :/
[01:15] <Slackman> hey is there any way to get ubuntu's gnome to default to the standard menu layout etc..?
[01:15] <Slackman> i.e default gnome
[01:15] (trey`/#ubuntu) Slackman: why would you want to do that?
[01:15] <Ubuntu> trey whats the command again?
[01:15] <nosami> Please could someone here help me get my ITE8212 raid controller working on Ubuntu?
[01:16] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: 'rm -r .g*' will do it... I said 'rm -r .gnome*' though...
[01:16] <Slackman> trey`, i knew someone was going to ask that :) ...
[01:16] <Ubuntu> trey there was gstreamer in there
[01:16] <Ubuntu> trey those all get recreated?
[01:16] <Slackman> trey`, just out of curiousity, is it possible with out touching the code?
[01:17] <osiris_22> hey gamma
[01:17] <darksatanic> nosami: I've just read an email about that on the kernel mailing list.
[01:17] <osiris_22> i cant get that gtk to find anything i type in
[01:17] <nosami> darksatanic: where can I find it?
[01:17] <darksatanic> nosami: Looks like you need a 2.6.9-ac kernel.
[01:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) ubuntulog: yup, and gaim etc... the dir will be recreated though... the rm -r .g* command will give you basically a fresh new gnome...
[01:18] <darksatanic> nosami: It's not fully supported yet -- the current driver doesn't do DMA yet.
[01:18] <nosami> Will i need to compile it myself?
[01:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: imo the RIAA has been stealing the music from the commonwealth for a long time w/ their rediculiously long copyrights
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> cardator: heya!
[01:18] <darksatanic> nosami: Yes.
[01:18] <osiris_22> hey gamma
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> cardator: You get tired of Mandrake too?
[01:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: this might be a better topic for #gtk-gnutella
[01:18] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: true enough... I didn't say I don't, but its wrong to almost promote it...
[01:18] <osiris_22> lord
[01:18] <darksatanic> nosami: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110090864122536&w=2
[01:19] <Solkaris> anyone know if there is a way to cancel a free CD order?
[01:19] <jcole> why can't totem or rythmbox play mp3's with libmpg123? xmms can use libmpg123 just fine...
[01:19] <Solkaris> cant seem to get into shipit
[01:19] <nosami> darkstanic: ok thanks. At least I know what direction I'm aiming for now.. I've been going around in circles all night!
[01:19] (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: because they use gstreamer... activate universe, and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'...
[01:19] <cardador> Phr0stByte: who the hell is cardator? :)
[01:20] <Phr0stByte> cardador: sorry
[01:20] <darksatanic> nosami: Hope you get it working eventually... And good luck. :)
[01:20] <FTTP> i wiped my gnome
[01:20] <nosami> darksatanic: cheers!
[01:20] <Phr0stByte> cardador: you know who I meant
[01:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: good job?
[01:20] <FTTP> trey:  Its me ubuntu
[01:20] <FTTP> trey:  It made it worse.....
[01:21] <FTTP> trey:  the ubuntu thing in the middle of the screen comes out in the bottom right and the windows open up all wrong so u cant see the screen right
[01:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I do it on average like once a week, I don't see what could be different about your's  :/
[01:21] <FTTP> trey were u using hoary?
[01:21] <jcole> trey`: interesting, works now w/gstreamer....
[01:21] <FTTP> trey`:  Maybe cause i wiped the root one?
[01:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I've done it for warty, hoary, sid, fedora...
[01:22] <FTTP> trey`:  All i know is the ubuntu now comes out in the bottom
[01:22] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: shouldn't matter... root is just another user...
[01:22] <dafart> any chance for mplayer-plugin for mozilla in amd64 ?
[01:22] <FTTP> trey`:  And the windows come out messed up screenwise
[01:22] <FTTP> trey`:   oh well ill just reinstall hoary
[01:22] <FTTP> :P
[01:23] <Solkaris> anyone know if there is a way to cancel order for the free cds?
[01:23] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: bah... I don't get why it broke so much for you  :(
[01:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) Solkaris: log in and set your amounts to zero
[01:23] <FTTP> trey i dunno
[01:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) defendguin: I think there are problems... the win32 codecs are 32bit
[01:23] <FTTP> trey:  gnome still needs work tho
[01:23] <Solkaris> thanks sladen .. having trouble getting in .. but good to know there is a way =) thanks for response
[01:24] <FTTP> it was only hoary so...  I don't run Microsoft software, how do they control me?
[01:32] <FTTP> trey`:  i only know the usa marketplace.......... for desktop you are beholden to them
[01:33] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) I think what is hated is the verocity with which Microsoft try to be the dominant player. It's not even borderline criminal, it is criminal.
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  alot of apps are microsoft only
[01:33] <defendguin> mike998, huh?
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  thank goodness for wine tho :)
[01:33] <mike998> defendguin: apologies that was not meant for you
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  is the source code for solaris due to be released?
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  If so, can linux borrow from it?
[01:33] (trey`/#ubuntu) kremlyn: every business in the world has gone about business in an illegal manor at some point... at least the successful ones have...
[01:33] <mike998> vinic: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist
[01:33] <paspourtoi> Welcome to Earth: A wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corp
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  Or it it just the binaries?
[01:34] <FTTP> thats what i dont know
[01:34] <vinic> mike998: go to /dev/ and see what hd. exist
[01:34] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, they are planning an OpenSolaris once they get SCO to stfu about licensing issues etc...
[01:34] <vinic> mike998: hdc?
[01:34] <FTTP> trey`:  If it goes full opensource for solaris....... then linux could add some good pieces and solaris could add good pieces of linux, etc...
[01:34] <vinic> mike998: maybe
[01:34] <FTTP> trey`:  It benefits the open source community
[01:34] <mike998> vinic: this is strange
[01:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I doubt they will allow that actually...
[01:35] <mike998> vinic: hdc=cdrom drive
[01:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) We will see once they put up the terms of their license though..
[01:35] <vinic> mike998: strange indeed
[01:35] <FTTP> trey` yep
[01:35] <FTTP> trey`:  Linux has more app compatibility
[01:35] <FTTP> than solaris
[01:35] <FTTP> i think right?
[01:35] <mike998> vinic: /dev/hdb appears to have gone to hawaii without the rest of the drive
[01:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not so much... Solaris has a Linux compatibility feature...
[01:36] <FTTP> solaris should be able to run linux apps tho so it will be interesting
[01:36] <FTTP> trey yeah thats what i mean
[01:36] <FTTP> but natively not
[01:36] <vinic> mike998: :)
[01:36] <FTTP> trey:  solaris still using gnome tho
[01:36] <Solkaris> is there any way to get gstreamer to decode dixv avi files for video? all avi come out as blank screens with sound
[01:36] <vinic> mike998: were they mounted at boot?
[01:36] <FTTP> so even if we use solaris we are getting some of the same components
[01:37] <mike998> vinic: nah - I figured I could do it manually when I wanted the stuff
[01:37] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes... most software companies other then Apple and Microsoft are going to GNOME...
[01:37] <FTTP> trey:  Alot are kde
[01:38] <FTTP> trey:  Gnome and KDE.... novell uses both for example
[01:38] <vinic> mike998: did you have a look to fstab?
[01:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really actually... KDE is becoming more and more the hobbiest desktop...
[01:38] <FTTP> trey`:  nope........ u can choose from both in fedora still
[01:38] <mike998> for some reason I have always liked gnome: It's simpler IMHO
[01:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell uses both because of SUSE... they default to GNOME though...
[01:38] <FTTP> trey`:  Lindows = KDE
[01:38] <FTTP> xandros is kde i think?
[01:38] <FTTP> not sure on xandros
[01:38] <mike998> vinic: fstab!
[01:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Lindows and Xandros = crap though  :/
[01:39] <FTTP> trey lindows is big tho
[01:39] <FTTP> they have alot of capital
[01:39] <mike998> vinic: Nothing there, but I was wracking my brains trying to figure out what the name of the file was!
[01:39] <FTTP> compared to some smaller distros
[01:39] (trey`/#ubuntu) Companies trying to be more like Microsoft choose KDE, companies trying to innovate choose GNOME...
[01:39] <vinic> mike998: lets go PM
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  well yeah
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  I hate KDE
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  Thats why i like ubuntu
[01:39] (trey`/#ubuntu) I like KDE... I just like GNOME more...
[01:39] <mike998> vinic: I'm trying bitchx and am not sure how to PM
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  well i dont mean hate hate, it just too windowish
[01:40] <cardador> what about xfce? :)
[01:40] <FTTP> trey:  ITs better than windows :P
[01:40] <vinic> mike998: clic on my name
[01:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: I can't believe they are getting a start button... grrr  :(
[01:40] <cardador> trey`: maybe you can remove it...
[01:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: you can, but still  :(
[01:41] <cardador> trey`: nevertheless, it is the best option for low end pcs
[01:41] <Avestruz> I'm having problems to use Skype on Ubuntu. Someone to help me?
[01:41] (trey`/#ubuntu) I dunno, this should continue in #ubuntu-offtopic... thought I was already there...
[01:42] <cardador> Avestruz: pergunta 'a vontade ;)
[01:43] <Avestruz> cardador: instalei o Skype perfeitamente. Consigo adicionar contatos e at entrar em chats com eles mas no ouo nada e nem eles me ouvem...
[01:44] <cardador> Avestruz: better keep it in english so others can help!
[01:44] <cardador> Avestruz: i have never used skype, so cant help
[01:45] <Avestruz> cardador: so why you aswered me in Portuguese!
[01:45] <cardador> Avestruz: because ive noticed your funny nick :)
[01:45] <Avestruz> cardador: thank you anyway.
[01:46] <cardador> Avestruz: have you checked your microphone volume?
[01:46] <Avestruz> cardador: yep. I can record my voice using the sound recorder...
[01:46] <Solkaris> anyone a gstreamer guy that can tell me if its possible to watch divx/avi video using gstreamer? all Im getting now is a black screen with sound
[01:46] <SEBest> hello don't you think that nautilus should allow the user to change it's user id, when there is a "permission denied".
[01:46] <SEBest> Instead of failing with this message, nautilius should pop up a dialog asking for a user name and a password that allow him to access this folder.
[01:47] <SEBest> what do you think?
[01:47] <mike998> vinic: I used vi... I like being able to use search... Nothing.. this is annoying me now.
[01:48] <Avestruz> ALL: I have a Toshiba notebook and I'm trying to configure Skype on it. I can record my voice but when I try to use Skype, the application says there is a problem with my sound device. What can I do?
[01:50] <Solkaris> so thats a no?
[01:50] <cardador> Solkaris: gstreamer never worked for me
[01:50] <SEBest> Solkaris, i think it works
[01:50] <jpvcx> Solkaris: gst-ffmpeg (i think), however I (probably due the fact that I 'am still a newbie) haven't got it working probably yet (runs out of sync on most xvid/divx file
[01:51] <Solkaris> I have gst-ffmpeg installed .. getting sound .. just no picture =(
[01:51] <cardador> Solkaris: install totem-xine
[01:52] <vinic> hi! just a little question: are pon/poff commands runable by su only? Or can I make some kind of quick launcher for user use?
[01:52] <Solkaris> ok .. guess thats the fix =) thanks Carador
[01:53] <FTTP> sco claims linux users are using their patents
[01:53] <FTTP> we are?
[01:54] <FTTP> cause of ibm contributed code!
[01:54] <FTTP> doh
[01:54] <Solkaris> go read Grok FTTP
[01:54] <FTTP> It's that they've taken a substantial amount of our code is what creates the battleground. It's interesting to hear Red Hat speak at financial conference yesterday and their comment is, 'We're really scaling Linux up. Linux is really growing up.' If you take IBM out of the equation, Linux would not be growing up, it would not be SMP-enabled, it would not be multi processing, scaling up to hundreds of servers. It is IBM that
[01:54] <FTTP> ibm did the jfs right?
[01:55] <FTTP> solkaris:  Grok?
[01:55] <Solkaris> Groklaw
[01:55] <jpvcx> groklaw.net
[01:55] <FTTP> oh
[01:56] <FTTP> thought u meant Grok is an open source natural language processing library written in Java. It is part of the OpenNLP project, and provides implementations for most of the interfaces defined in the opennlp.common package.
[01:56] <Micksa> please just say "groklaw" :)
[01:56] <Solkaris> and be prepared for days and days of reading =)
[01:56] <FTTP> that grok
[01:56] <Micksa> "grok" can mean a few things
[01:56] <Micksa> see? :)
[01:56] <Solkaris> aye my bad .. sorry
[01:56] <paspourtoi> FTTP: you are believing the mythology - reading Groklaw will open your eyes
[01:57] <FTTP> Sun's Jonathan Schwartz Will Take Your Questions Now
[01:57] <FTTP>
[01:57] <FTTP> Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:22 AM EST
[01:57] <FTTP> doh
[01:57] <FTTP> i would have asked him questions
[01:57] <FTTP> too late?
[01:57] <FTTP> i missed it by not that many hours
[01:58] <FTTP> paspourtoi what mythology??
[01:58] <FTTP> paspourtoi:  see im confused by the whole thing actually
[01:58] <FTTP> paspourtoi:  IBM had os/2, got f0cked by microsoft
[01:58] <FTTP> os/2 and aix right?
[01:58] <mike998> smeg
[01:59] <FTTP> paspourtoi:  IBM saw the way out as making money off of service and support
[01:59] <FTTP> so they gave alot of stuff like jfs to the opensource community
[01:59] <Avestruz> FTTP: I've used OS/2 for 3 years.  It's called a "Bust-Out"
[01:59] <madsen> Hmm, is it possible to install Ubuntu in a chroot'ed environment from a Debian box?
[01:59] <madsen> And how...
[02:00] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I actually trust david boies
[02:00] <FTTP> fwtw
[02:00] <FTTP> this was the napster guy
[02:00] <Avestruz> FTTP: and I'm not saying you said it wasn't!
[02:00] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  yeah why would you do something like that ?
[02:00] <FTTP> linuxjones:  why would i say something like that?
[02:00] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Like what?
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I dont know much about the case on either side...... just know that alot of software companies got f0cked over
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I do know though that boies is a moral and honest man
[02:01] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  that you trusted David Boies ?
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Cause ive seen him in action
[02:01] <Solkaris> lol
[02:01] <paspourtoi> FTTP: he's an opportunist IMO
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  i know alot about many of the cases hes pursued
[02:01] <Solkaris> hes a lawyer .. he goes and fights for pay .. IE mercenary
[02:01] <FTTP> like tyco
[02:02] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  well explain his actions with regards to SCO vs IBM ?
[02:02] <FTTP> linuxjones i dont know cause thats one of his cases im not familiar with
[02:02] <Solkaris> 31 million .. thats why
[02:02] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I just said i trusted him in general :P
[02:02] <madsen> Noone installed Ubuntu in a chroot env?
[02:03] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Is it true that IBM developed all the technology for file systems and multicpus and the like with linux or not?
[02:03] <FTTP> see i dont kno
[02:03] <FTTP> ww
[02:03] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  SCO said that there were over a million lines of code in the Linux kernel between version 2.4 and 2.6, however there were only 850,000 lines of code added during that time of development. Meybe he is a very moral man he just can't do basic math.
[02:04] <FTTP> linuxjones:  a jury will decide that FYI
[02:04] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Which is fair
[02:04] <FTTP> linuxjones:  If its wrong, case loses :P
[02:04] <Solkaris> he can go basic math .. 31 million is a good amount to make even if the case is bs .. either way he gets paid
[02:05] <LinuxJones> FTTP, not if but when :)
[02:05] <FTTP> linuxjones we shall see
[02:05] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Boies has a habit of winning
[02:05] <FTTP> except for election 2000 :P
[02:05] <FTTP> hehe
[02:05] <FTTP> who knows i dont know much about the case
[02:05] <Solkaris> lol FTTP you need to go read Groklaw before you start talking about this case .. go read the legal documents
[02:06] <LinuxJones> FTTP, you sound like a Darl McBride type
[02:06] <FTTP> solkaris which one?
[02:06] <FTTP> solkaris too many lawsuits all over the place
[02:06] <FTTP> novell, ibm, redhat, sco, blah blah
[02:06] <FTTP> everyone is suing everyone else
[02:06] <Solkaris> no go read groklaw.net .. it has all the information about the case and all related cases
[02:06] <LinuxJones> fftp, Boies is a 3 time looser (in the words of Eric S. Raymond)
[02:07] <FTTP> solkaris which link?
[02:07] <FTTP> solkaris i just want a quick synopsis
[02:07] <ycco> jdub: you awake?
[02:07] <FTTP> of what the case involves
[02:08] <Solkaris> no you dont .. you got a quick synopsis and then said you trust Boise to be honest .. you need to go read what legal BS games they are playing .. how they are telling a judge in one courtroom one thing and then another judge the opposite
[02:08] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: Boies has lost all the major cases he has litigated in
[02:08] <Solkaris> you need to go read the history of the case .. and the on going timelines
[02:09] <FTTP> sladen he did?
[02:09] <FTTP> tyco was a loss?
[02:09] <FTTP> microsoft was a loss?
[02:09] <Solkaris> if your going to argue or understand the case .. its not something you can sum up in a single paragraph and really get understanding of the whole thing
[02:09] <paspourtoi> FTTP: have a look at SCOX stock to see what the market thinks about the case: a one year graph makes interesting viewing
[02:09] <FTTP> paspourtoi im not saying either side is right
[02:09] <FTTP> i dont know anything about the case PERIOD, just know from other cases, boies is right on the ball
[02:10] <FTTP> solkaris:  I just want a summation
[02:10] <FTTP> solkaris of the key pointsd
[02:10] <FTTP> err points
[02:10] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: http://www.groklaw.net/
[02:10] <FTTP> i dont want to read legal documents
[02:10] <FTTP> they are made for courts
[02:10] <FTTP> i just want a synopsis
[02:11] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: perhaps you'd take the time to read the analysis that Groklaw is famed for
[02:11] <FTTP> sladen on which link?
[02:11] <FTTP> sladen too many links there
[02:11] <Solkaris> all of them
[02:11] <FTTP> all of  them?
[02:11] <Solkaris> its a complex and huge case
[02:11] <FTTP> hours of reading, no thanks :P
[02:12] <FTTP> im not the lawyer or a law student
[02:12] <paspourtoi> FTTP: if you aren't willing to read groklaw, then really you shouldn't comment on Boies or the case. This has been going on since early last year
[02:12] <Solkaris> dont need to be .. Im not and I understand it fine
[02:12] <FTTP> solkaris groklaws comments are prolly biased towards the opensource community
[02:13] <FTTP> i want independent analysis :P
[02:13] <tom__> anyone running a printer on another networked pc satisfactorily?
[02:13] <paspourtoi> FTTP: of course they are! They are also based on research by thousands of people
[02:13] <paspourtoi> FTTP: if you want facts, they are all there
[02:14] <Solkaris> then read grok .. the judges are .. lawyers do .. .lawyers comment on the case there .. and PJ while being biased opensource is also a paralegal that breaks down what is being said in common english
[02:14] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: ah, independent analysis---you'll be wanting prosco
[02:14] <Solkaris> LOL
[02:14] <paspourtoi> sladen: hahah
[02:14] <FTTP> solkaris so which link on that website?
[02:14] <Solkaris> ALL OF THEM
[02:14] <FTTP> some of that stuff is for opensource legal projects
[02:15] <FTTP> i dont want open source legal project
[02:15] <Solkaris> IBM SCO timeline
[02:15] <FTTP> i just want to know what the case involves
[02:15] <FTTP> thanks solkaris
[02:15] <Solkaris> Novell vs SCO
[02:15] <Solkaris> because they are related
[02:15] <tom__> i can see the printer on another pc using http://192.etc/631 but my applications cannot see it whats happening?
[02:15] <paspourtoi> FTTP: either do the reading, or accept that you are not going to be informed in your judgements
[02:16] <FTTP> no thanks ill pass
[02:16] <FTTP> ill leave it up to the courts :)
[02:16] <FTTP> i trust em
[02:16] <FTTP> it seems like its basically a mishmosh of gpl claims vs patent claims vs claims against others
[02:17] <tom__> strewth fttp if everyone did that we would still have slavery
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  so? :P
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  Im not a lawyer
[02:17] <tom__> ;-)
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  That was different
[02:17] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: you're right, none of them actually have anything to do with Linux, they're all contract disputes
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  Lawyers will handle this and consumers like you will fight for the open source :)
[02:17] <osiris_22> how
[02:17] <osiris_22> do i make my desktop icons smaller
[02:17] <osiris_22> they look big and ugly as hell
[02:17] <FTTP> there are open source advocates, commercial advocates, blah blah
[02:18] <FTTP> sladen this explains why there should NOT be software patents IMHO
[02:18] <FTTP> sladen with software patents tho, it turns things into courts like this
[02:18] <osiris_22> come on someone has got to have an idea on how to make the icons small
[02:18] <FTTP> patents should not exist
[02:18] <osiris_22> they are big and ugly
[02:18] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: erm, why are you bringing patents into it.    But a quick read of Groklaw should bring you up to speed---indeed it has (like many people here) taught me a great deal about the US Justicial System
[02:23] <jcole> fester: put it in your mouth and hummmmm
[02:23] <FTTP> sladen :  Sco, novell, ibm, etc........ is they
[02:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) fester: limewire is a Java app
[02:23] <tom__> isn't this sco thing off tpic here?
[02:23] <jcole> fester: apt-get source java-package
[02:23] <FTTP> sladen:  Each will get their fair share back and each will have equal power
[02:24] <osiris_22> does anyone know how to make the icons smaller
[02:24] <FTTP> sladen:  The financial balance will mean each is back to square 1
[02:24] <fester> hi osiris_22
[02:24] <FTTP> that would be the ultimate outcome IMHO
[02:24] <fester> whats going on
[02:24] <osiris_22> hey bro
[02:24] <mojo> sladen: u use LimeWire?
[02:24] <osiris_22> so these peopel seem to have a problem helping me or something
[02:24] (sladen/#ubuntu) mojo: nope
[02:25] <tom__> osiris you can do it through Computer>desktop options
[02:25] <osiris_22> i cant find the option tom
[02:25] <osiris_22> thats why i asked here
[02:25] <netmonk> osiris_22, Open Nautilus, edit, preferences, default zoom level
[02:25] <jcole> osiris_22: something you may like - http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/
[02:25] <netmonk> "and there you go" ;)
[02:25] (sladen/#ubuntu) osiris_22: move future away from the screen
[02:26] (sladen/#ubuntu) osiris_22: move further away from the screen
[02:26] <netmonk> sladen, :)
[02:26] <osiris_22> yeah that link wont even open mozilla
[02:26] <osiris_22> wtf
[02:26] <osiris_22> anyway
[02:26] <madsen> Arg, anyone tried installing Ubuntu in a chroot'ed env?
[02:27] <madsen> C'mon, don't be ashamed... Just say it... ;)
[02:27] <tom__> osiris hang on i was there just a few minutes ago i will see how i got the exactly ...
[02:27] <osiris_22> ok what is nautilus
[02:27] <osiris_22> where is that at
[02:27] <netmonk> home folder, osiris_22
[02:27] <osiris_22> no its not
[02:27] <fester> how do u kill prosecces
[02:28] <osiris_22> run xkill
[02:28] <fester> my amsn crashed
[02:28] <fester> how do u do that
[02:28] <osiris_22> just use game fester
[02:28] <osiris_22> umm go to applications
[02:28] <paper> fester, killall amsn
[02:28] <osiris_22> go to run
[02:28] <osiris_22> type xkill
[02:28] <osiris_22> and it will give you a lil do hick put it over amsn and clock
[02:28] <osiris_22> click
[02:28] <osiris_22> i cant figure out this icon zoom thing
[02:28] <netmonk> osiris_22, Open Nautilus, edit, preferences, default zoom level, 75% ;)
[02:29] <osiris_22> netmonk
[02:29] <osiris_22> i cant find nautilus
[02:29] <osiris_22> its not in the home folder
[02:29] <mike998> it IS your home folder
[02:29] <netmonk> osiris_22, when you open the HOME folder go to Edit
[02:29] <mike998> nautilus = windows explorer
[02:29] <jcole> killall X
[02:30] <osiris_22> ok
[02:30] <osiris_22> i did that net monk
[02:30] <RuffianSoldier> i love doing that
[02:30] <osiris_22> but the icon size didnt change at all
[02:30] <mike998> preferences > icon view defaults
[02:30] <osiris_22> ok
[02:30] <osiris_22> i got it
[02:30] <osiris_22> im sorry
[02:30] <osiris_22> i was being a tard
[02:31] <mike998> change the default zoom level to something less than 100%
[02:31] <mike998> meh - I've done worse
[02:31] <osiris_22> now how do i install icons?
[02:31] <osiris_22> lmao
[02:31] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[02:31] <mike998> easy
[02:31] <mike998> download icons in a tar.gz or similar
[02:32] <mike998> open computer > desktop preferences > themes
[02:32] <mike998> you can figure it out from there
[02:32] <fester> now how the fuck do i get something to downlaod a mp3 with
[02:32] <mike998> did it today - it's fresh in my memory
[02:32] <osiris_22> ok
[02:32] <osiris_22> lmao
[02:32] <mike998> ahhh fester if you had been here earlier
[02:32] <osiris_22> fester
[02:32] <fester> yo
[02:32] <osiris_22> gtk-gntulla
[02:32] <osiris_22> or what ever
[02:33] <osiris_22> joing that channel
[02:33] <osiris_22> they will help you in there
[02:33] <mike998> try searching for gtk-gnutella in your synaptic
[02:33] <osiris_22> nah mike
[02:33] <mike998> ??
[02:33] <osiris_22> that verson isnt ready for use
[02:33] <osiris_22> he needs to go tot he site and dl it
[02:33] <mike998> oh
[02:33] <osiris_22> they will help him in #gtk-gnutella
[02:33] <mike998> not a worry
[02:33] <tom__> how do i print to a printer on another pc?
[02:33] <osiris_22> hes my friend lmao
[02:33] <osiris_22> i was just on the phone with him
[02:33] <osiris_22> lol
[02:34] <osiris_22> we are both frustrated
[02:34] <osiris_22> so we dicided to get off the phone lmao
[02:34] <xenonite> tom__: is the other a gnu/linux pc?
[02:34] <mike998> well, I used to try FreeBSD and would have re-formatted by now
[02:34] <tom__> xenonite yes
[02:34] <mike998> I have this feeling that Ubuntu may be the distro for me
[02:34] <tom__> its another ubuntu pc
[02:34] <fester> same her ubuntu i like
[02:34] <xenonite> tom__: so you have cups there, right?
[02:34] <osiris_22> this linux distro is handleable
[02:34] <osiris_22> lol
[02:34] <fester> aloy
[02:34] <osiris_22> i like it too
[02:35] <tom__> xenonite i can see the printer using the bropwser
[02:35] <tom__> browser
[02:35] <tom__> but my apps are ignorant of it
[02:35] <mike998> I'm a bit of a distro whore...  I've tried them all and got badly burned with a few... This is the first one I haven't hated totally
[02:35] <xenonite> oha
[02:35] <xenonite> tom__: so try to add it with the gnome printer manager
[02:36] <tom__> xenoite i thought cups took care of that
[02:36] <xenonite> did you add it?
[02:36] <tom__> i will now ... brb
[02:36] <xenonite> mom
[02:36] <xenonite> the address is a bit tricky
[02:37] <tom__> ah yes it is ....
[02:37] <xenonite> type `` ipp://remotepc/printers/LaserJet4 '' for example
[02:37] <xenonite> that worked for me
[02:38] <tom__> is the remotepc its host name? or do i just use "remotepc?
[02:38] <fester> osiris_22: join the dv
[02:38] <xenonite> insert the hostname
[02:39] <tom__> and do i then have to configure the prinetr fully as well on this pc?
[02:39] <xenonite> yes
[02:39] <xenonite> the printer driver etc
[02:40] <xenonite> and insert the name of the printer instead of LaserJet4
[02:40] <osiris_22> i will in a moment
[02:40] <mike998> can someone refresh my memory on how I can allow multiple apps access /dev/dsp ?
[02:41] <psyklops> hm, I want to know that too...
[02:41] <psyklops> I tried to use alsa and got it so at least xmms and mplayer can play sound at the same time
[02:41] <psyklops> but most everything else can't
[02:42] <mike998> If I remember rightly you create a /dev/dsp.x and link /dev/dsp to it... something along those lines
[02:42] <mike998> I think there may be something useful in the FreeBSD docs
[02:43] <tom__> oh strewth gnome cups manager aborted
[02:43] <xenonite> hmm...
[02:43] <psyklops> I need a good video editor, I thought virtualdub had a linux version, but I can't seem to find it
[02:43] <mike998> crap - it involves virtual channels
[02:44] <psyklops> and kmenc won't install in ubuntu because of kde and qt libs
[02:44] <osiris_22> hey how do you spell that guntella word
[02:44] <osiris_22> lol
[02:44] <mike998> doesn't work
[02:45] <mike998> osiris_22: GNU Gnu's Not Unix
[02:45] <xenonite> psyklops: you can install the libs
[02:45] <osiris_22> what are you talken about mike
[02:45] <psyklops> xenonite, I have UBUNTU versions of them...
[02:45] <FTTP> all of this groklaw stuff.... the truth is........... everything should be opensource :P
[02:45] <psyklops> it wants other ones
[02:45] <FTTP> computing shouldnt be about moola
[02:45] <FTTP> all these legal arguments are pathetic
[02:46] <cat_jesus> Well it should *only* be about moola
[02:46] <FTTP> there is only one which counts, us!
[02:46] <psyklops>   Depends: kdelibs4 but 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:46] <psyklops>   Depends: libqt3c102-mt but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:46] <FTTP> cat:  We get fucked no matter what usually
[02:46] <xenonite> ok i dont know
[02:47] <FTTP> cat:  Nothing wrong with a paycheck......... but when a CEO makes millions theres a BIG PROBLEM
[02:47] <FTTP> cat:  ceos should make a few hundred k max
[02:47] (sladen/#ubuntu) madsen: I tried a chroot install.  I failed and just booted the CD in qmeu instead :)
[02:47] <FTTP> the billion dollar payoffs is rediculous
[02:47] <FTTP> its all about big moola
[02:47] <mike998> FTTP: I agree
[02:47] <cat_jesus> indeed, especially when a CEO takes millions n bonuses and lays people off
[02:47] (sladen/#ubuntu) madsen: Debian debootstrap has the necessary patches
[02:47] <psyklops> the solution is either to go install the outsider libs (probably a good reason ubuntu has its own versions, something might break) or find some other video editor
[02:47] <FTTP> mike998:  YOu know david neeleman of jetblue?  only takes 200k a year
[02:47] <mike998> FTTP: happened at my company this week... bastards
[02:47] <FTTP> mike998:  And his airline makes millions
[02:48] <FTTP> mike998:  its 200k or 300k
[02:48] <FTTP> i forget which
[02:48] <FTTP> he still drives an old car , blah blah
[02:48] <FTTP> just like the rest of us
[02:48] <mike998> FTTP: best boss in the world I would liek to work for is Richard Branson back in the 90s
[02:48] <cat_jesus> The thng that really gets me is the importaton of cheap T labor because
[02:48] <FTTP> mike998: Branson:  ROFL
[02:48] <mike998> he's turned into a bit of an arse right now
[02:48] <FTTP> yah
[02:48] <cat_jesus> IT labor because "we can't find programmers here"
[02:48] <FTTP> mike998:  You watch his tv show?
[02:49] <FTTP> i saw his one episode
[02:49] <FTTP> lame
[02:49] <mike998> hell no
[02:49] (sladen/#ubuntu) mike998: *cough*, there are other good, equally rich bosses to work for...
[02:49] <mike998> he used to know ALL the names of his employees
[02:49] <FTTP> mike998:  So?
[02:49] <psyklops> no one knows of any video editing software besides virtualdub and kmenc?
[02:49] <FTTP> i know tons of people like that
[02:49] <nevyn> psyklops: cinerella
[02:49] <FTTP> remembering names is no big deal
[02:49] <psyklops> woo!
[02:49] <mike998> they tested him one time and he could name and tell you about all his employees...
[02:50] <mike998> FTTP: he knew his employees
[02:50] <mike998> now...
[02:50] <mike998> pfft
[02:50] <nevyn> psyklops: it's pretty cool but it's not that exciting.
[02:50] <FTTP> mike998:  i get your point tho.... many ceos dont give a shit and only know their chief of staff
[02:50] <FTTP> err
[02:50] <FTTP> in business your cfo, coo, etc...
[02:50] <FTTP> mike998:  It means he pays attention to what his employees are doing
[02:50] <FTTP> which is good
[02:51] <FTTP> but some use that for their own advantage too
[02:51] <mike998> FTTP: how very true...  I have worked at the same company for 6 years.. the past 4 I haven't had a pay rise.  Despite that I have an ex wife, a new kid and a girlfriend to look after on ONE wage....
[02:51] <cat_jesus> FTTP: remembering names is a big deal for me-- faces are super easy though
[02:51] <riffic> hello, anyone know why when nautilus launches, it hard locks my system?
[02:51] <mike998> FTTP: yes.  they do use that for their own advantage
[02:51] <riffic> hoary, btw
[02:51] <FTTP> mike998:  I dont know your boss so i cant judge
[02:51] <FTTP> mike998:  But thats humans for you
[02:51] <mike998> I'm the same as cat_jesus
[02:53] <cat_jesus> I ran into someone a few years ago that I definitely recognized...I started talking to her and finally we realized that we worked in the same company 5 years prior. I had seen her in the halls but never met her.
[02:53] <mike998> I tend to be very friendly and everyone knows at least OF me
[02:54] <tom__> xenonite dang every time i go to add the printer i get the gnome cups aborting and when i restart it the app can see the printer but nothing happens
[02:54] <Talliesin> Quick noob question I didn't see answered in the FAQ. I'm a windows guy about a fifth of the way into downloading the ubuntu distribution. Is this a good place to lurk and pick stuff up by osmosis, or should I be elsewhere?
[02:54] <mike998> Talliesin: stay here!  I am learning lots
[02:54] <tom__> agrees
[02:54] <Talliesin> :)
[02:55] (sladen/#ubuntu) riffic: I don't know.  Are you able to describe anything else?
[02:56] <riffic> sladen: it hard locks
[02:56] <riffic> when gnome loads
[02:56] <riffic> and when i launch nautilus from xfce, same thing
[02:56] <riffic> so I assume nautilus is doing something nauty
[02:56] <xenonite> tom__: hm i didn't get that problem... sry
[02:56] <riffic> also, hoary.
[02:56] <riffic> it started after a apt-get update/upgrade yesterday
[02:57] <riffic> i'm too scared to try it again tonight.
[02:57] <riffic> i dont like hard resets
[02:57] <tom__> xenonite do you happen to have a router running dhcp there?
[02:57] <psyklops> cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:57] <psyklops> :(
[02:57] <xenonite> tom__: yes
[02:57] <riffic> anyways if I knew how to get some sort of usefull feedback to you in the form of an error log or something I'd love to
[02:58] <xenonite> tom__: i don't think that matters
[02:58] <tom__> so maybe its the way i have that set up maybe
[02:58] <riffic> but all I know is it locks and my mouse and keyboard lock
[02:58] <psyklops> just installed xlibs-static-dev to be sure too
[02:58] <riffic> and i cant do anything other than reset the system
[02:59] <xenonite> tom__: i go to bed now, it is 3am here
[02:59] <tom__> xenonite what network setup do you have
[02:59] <tom__> xenonite oops sorry ok ... ty fir the help
[02:59] <xenonite> tom__: no problem... but its too late for good results ^^
[02:59] <tom__> hehhehe
[02:59] <xenonite> yca
[02:59] <xenonite> cya
[02:59] <tom__> bye
[03:00] <FTTP> i think open source is the true winner of all the legal suits
[03:00] <FTTP> all the code will be opened up :P
[03:00] <madsen> Hmm, can one get a list of vars available in xtemplates?
[03:01] <FTTP> hey its all opensource code, all GPL
[03:01] <FTTP> you all lose, we win
[03:01] <cat_jesus> I'm kind of surprised that terminal server client was included in the default distro
[03:01] <FTTP> cat:  Why?? microsoft has it too
[03:01] <FTTP> cat: They have their own equivalent in xp pro
[03:01] <psyklops> can anyone help me with my cinelerra problems?
[03:01] <cat_jesus> I'm glad it's there, it just seems a tad out of place
[03:01] <psyklops> I copied the error above
[03:02] <nevyn> psyklops: how did you install it?
[03:02] <FTTP> cat:  No its not..... consider ubuntu on par with xp pro but BETTER and linux based :)
[03:02] <Meshistopheles> another freeze bug,  desktop does not respond only mouse does.  Tried ssh'ing in, no go.  Tried crtl-alt-del, no go.  What to do?
[03:02] <psyklops> I got an rpm, converted with alien, and installed with dpkg
[03:02] <cat_jesus> But really how many XP users would use terminal services?
[03:02] <nevyn> FTTP: all linux distro's I've seen lack features in XP pro.
[03:02] <FTTP> heh
[03:02] <FTTP> cat:  Oh wait thats not xserver?
[03:02] <FTTP> cat:  Its for regular terminals?
[03:03] <nevyn> cat_jesus: lots. its on the start menu.. descuised as help and support
[03:03] <FTTP> i was thinking of the feature in xp pro for remote logins
[03:03] <cat_jesus> It's does VNC, I just checked it out
[03:03] <FTTP> cat:  VNC?
[03:03] <nevyn> cat_jesus: it also does rdesktop
[03:03] <FTTP> cat:  What does the terminal server do exactly?
[03:03] <FTTP> ill check it out myself
[03:03] <cat_jesus> yes VNC allows you to have a virtual session on another linux machine
[03:03] <FTTP> oh
[03:03] <FTTP> so i could be on an xterminal from your computer?
[03:04] <nevyn> psyklops: there's the problem.
[03:04] <nevyn> go find a deb.
[03:04] <nevyn> psyklops: in fact there are a few apt source you can just add.
[03:04] <cat_jesus> I've been running Suse on most of the machines in my house and using the remote desktop that is included with that distro, it's VNC
[03:04] <nevyn> remove the deb you made with alien first.
[03:04] <FTTP> i see
[03:04] <FTTP> cat:  so its remote desktop, then thats on par with what xp pro has
[03:04] <psyklops> really... I haven't heard of them
[03:04] <nevyn> FTTP: it's not nearly as efficient.
[03:04] <FTTP> cat it should be in basic distros
[03:05] <FTTP> nevyn:  No im not saying which is better or anything
[03:05] <psyklops> removed
[03:05] <FTTP> lets leave msft vs linux out :P
[03:05] <FTTP> all im saying is its a similar type of app
[03:05] <cat_jesus> I just connected to my daughter's machine from this one using the terminal server client -- it worked on the first try
[03:05] <FTTP> cat:  In xserver?
[03:05] <nevyn> FTTP: similar functionality. yes.
[03:05] <FTTP> cat:  Or just text login?
[03:06] <cat_jesus> yes, her machine is running Suse at the moment .. she insisted
[03:06] <psyklops> so... where are those apt sources?
[03:06] <FTTP> oh
[03:06] <FTTP> cat:  For me its just me myself and I
[03:06] <FTTP> just one puter
[03:06] <FTTP> over cablemodem
[03:06] <FTTP> so yeah i would never use that feature
[03:06] <cat_jesus> It's weird having an 8 year old that insists on a linux machine
[03:06] <FTTP> cat:  no its not
[03:06] <psyklops> found one of my own
[03:06] <FTTP> cat:  It means she will grow up microsoft free
[03:07] <FTTP> cat:  If we had more kids like that, then microsofts dominance will be gone
[03:07] <FTTP> cat:  linux is better :)
[03:07] <nevyn> she'll get over it when she's a teenager..
[03:07] <cat_jesus> Well she does have a dual boot machine but she hasn't booted into win2k yet
[03:07] <FTTP> rofl
[03:07] <nevyn> and can't run the "fun thing" send by her friends.
[03:07] <FTTP> heh
[03:07] <FTTP> nevyn:  WINE!
[03:07] <cat_jesus> there's always wine
[03:07] <FTTP> yeah
[03:07] <Talliesin> Yes, you have to let them have the thing you want them to disapprove of.
[03:08] <Talliesin> Otherwise they'll just get into it as a rebellion thing.
[03:08] <FTTP> for me 1 computer is fine
[03:08] <FTTP> no need for 2
[03:08] <FTTP> for the enterprise, then yeah
[03:08] <cat_jesus> the biggest selling point... killing X with ctrl-alt-bkspace
[03:08] <FTTP> hehe
[03:08] <FTTP> cat:  Actually remote login is good for kids with machines
[03:09] <cat_jesus> "Wow! that reboots fast!"
[03:09] <Qo-noS> you know folks the thing I believed that consciously or sub-consciously it is a disdain for monopolies and monopolistic practices (e.g. by MS) that's driving hordes into the arms of Linux along with MS's dubious record on security
[03:09] <FTTP> u can watch what your child is doing without em knowing :)
[03:09] <FTTP> heh
[03:09] <nevyn> cat_jesus: to you or to her?
[03:09] <cat_jesus> she said that
[03:09] <nevyn> cat_jesus: why is that important/usefull?
[03:10] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Microsoft is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Sun is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> ibm is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> sco is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> linux is not evil!
[03:10] <cat_jesus> sometimes something gets a little buggy like an xmms plugin and it's best just ot kill X
[03:10] <Qo-noS> I'm sure most here in this and other channels are a little left-wing (maybe not in other areas) in that respect i.e. anti-monoploists all
[03:10] <FTTP> :)
[03:10] <FTTP> gpl is where its at
[03:10] <nevyn> hrm
[03:10] <riffic> crap another hard lock
[03:10] <riffic> =(
[03:10] <Qo-noS> Linux is a mass-based project ;)
[03:10] <FTTP> opensource benefits everyone
[03:10] <psyklops> nevyn... new problems
[03:10] <nevyn> FTTP: is SGI evil too?
[03:10] <nevyn> psyklops: shoot.
[03:10] <riffic> and i'm in xfce  i didn't even try to run nautilus
[03:10] <riffic> it just hard locked on its own
[03:10] <psyklops> cinelerra: Depends: libopenexr2 (>= 1.2.1) but it is not installable
[03:10] <FTTP> nevyn:  sgi has its own os right ?
[03:11] <psyklops> and apt-get.org doesn't have one for that...
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  then yes :P
[03:11] <nevyn> FTTP: they're hardly using it on new deployments.
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  well commercial is good cause it breeds progress
[03:11] <nevyn> FTTP: they're mostly using linux but they have proprietary stuff for linux (CXFS)
[03:11] <riffic> anyways i'm goona try nautilus and cross my fingers it doesn't lock my system up
[03:11] (erik/#ubuntu) hey, I just switched from debian sid to ubuntu hoary - they SEEM to have the same emacs but pclcvs in ubuntu is messed up:
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  i kinda agree in what david boies said about the balance thing
[03:11] (erik/#ubuntu) when you go to 'commit' something, and the $Id:$ updates in the file, it writes the change to disk but not to the buffer
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  Linux wont go away ever
[03:11] (erik/#ubuntu) so the buffer gets "modified on disk" status and is annoying
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  Dont get me wrong
[03:12] <nevyn> FTTP: it might be replaced with the hurd or something better.
[03:12] <FTTP> nevyn:  But i think the balance is too much in microsofts court
[03:12] <psyklops> nevermind nevyn
[03:12] <FTTP> nevyn:  But if there was no capitalism, sun and sgi for example wouldnt be where they are
[03:12] <cat_jesus> "the tighter you squeeze the more systems slip through your fingers"
[03:12] <nevyn> psyklops: what was the solution?
[03:12] <nevyn> just out of interest..
[03:12] <FTTP> nevyn:  Sun used to be great.... but now due to cheaper components its not
[03:13] <psyklops> debian package that somehow wasn't in apt-get.org...
[03:13] <FTTP> i mean their competitors
[03:13] <FTTP> are beating em at price
[03:13] <nevyn> FTTP: solaris is ugly I mean seriously.
[03:13] <psyklops> or any repositories I have
[03:13] <FTTP> nevyn:  Sun was always used by engineers
[03:13] <FTTP> and the like
[03:13] <FTTP> nevyn:  It was never built for end consumers,,,, at colleges they had loads of em
[03:13] <cat_jesus> MVS is ugly too, if you are just looking at the interface
[03:13] <nevyn> FTTP: I know. but. they're slow and ugly. sparc is elegant no question..
[03:13] <nevyn> but it's ugly.
[03:13] <FTTP> nevyn:  The engineering labs had literally hundreds of em
[03:14] <FTTP> at suny buffalo for example
[03:14] <Qo-noS> FTTP: while I think the tide is beginning to turn in Free Software's/Open source's favor. strange things do happen and can be an aid e.g. it may just happened that the FSC finds some inapproriate financial practices in MS and hehe another Global Crossings, Enron dawns upon the world ;)
[03:14] <osiris_22> how do i ssh onto a server... im a network admin on an irc server.. and sometimes i need to ssh to add olines and such and like is there a putty for ubuntu or is there already a client built in?
[03:14] (xf_/#ubuntu) osiris_22: tried 'ssh' on the console?
[03:15] <FTTP> qo-nos:  The antitrust suit even tho it never broke up microsoft already worked cause it opened up the door for all these lawsuits now like SCO, IBM, novell, sun, etc........
[03:15] <mike998> ssh -l <loginname> <ipaddress>
[03:15] <huttan> something is wrong with my gnome after a basic install, sometines it wont load up after logging in, and now my gnome-control-center wont load
[03:15] <osiris_22> where do i find the console at is that the same as the termanl?
[03:15] <FTTP> qo-nos:  So microsoft wont be broken up, but they will be sued and continually sued
[03:15] <FTTP> qo-nos:  We are at a nexus now
[03:15] <mike998> osiris_22: console and terminal are usually interchangable terms
[03:15] <Talliesin> FTTP, of course one of those companies has also filed suit against one of the others about their Linux involvement.
[03:16] <nevyn> mike998: even tho they shouldn't be.
[03:16] <FTTP> talliesin:  You mean SCO ?
[03:16] <riffic> gah, nautilus still hard locks my system
[03:16] <Qo-noS> FTTP: maybe I'm inherently bad...not that I'm wishing misfortune befall the thousands of MS employees BUT Gates and his practices e.g. lies has to dealt with
[03:16] <huttan> anyone know what might be broke?
[03:16] <FTTP> qo-nos:  i agree
[03:17] <nevyn> console.. the physical manchine.. terminal (text mode user interface) virtual terminal (kernel terminal emulator (F1-F6)) x-terminal-emulator (konsole gterm etc.)
[03:17] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Microsoft will not be able to mopolize the next years and next os's
[03:17] <psyklops> whats with linux apps and opening many windows...
[03:17] <psyklops> gimp and cinelerra do the same thing
[03:17] <Talliesin> FTTP, yes (but it'll fall to pieces, unless it already has and I haven't heard about it).
[03:17] <Qo-noS> FTTP: :) This world has enough space for a multitude of OSes and opinions on doing things
[03:17] <psyklops> it kinda annoys me to have to use the other workspaces
[03:17] <FTTP> talliesin: i dont know the specifics on the sco case......
[03:18] <FTTP> talliesin:  we are definitely at a crossroads here tho........
[03:18] <Qo-noS> FTTP: it will take some time but the days of one dominant corporation dominating be it MS or IBM before is over
[03:18] <Talliesin> FTTP, they're claiming IBM introduced code to Linux that included SCO copyright and/or trade-secrets. The claim is dubious to say the elast.
[03:18] <FTTP> qo-nos:  yep...........
[03:19] <mike998> psykops: dunno if it helps, but I reduce my number of desktops and designate in my head labels for each desktop - one for work, one for browsing...one for nothing
[03:19] <Talliesin> Qo-noS, you mentioned left-wing views above.
[03:19] <FTTP> talliesin:  You mean like JFS?
[03:19] <FTTP> talliesin:  I think palmsource may go back into the business as well if the barrier to entry is cleared up :P
[03:19] <Talliesin> The funny thing is that when you look at it from a leftwing view you say "MS, screwer of the masses, die!"  But I'm pretty right-wing in other aspects
[03:20] <psyklops> mike, the problem isn't that the other desktops exist, but that some software pretty much forces you to place it on a separate desktop
[03:20] <Talliesin> It's only protectionism disguised as free-market capitalism that defends MS.
[03:21] <mike998> psyklops: yeah... I hate the spatial Nautilus... that's one of the first things to get changed
[03:21] <psyklops> sometimes my desktop gets busy enough to warrant use of 3 desktops WITHOUT such apps
[03:21] <osiris_22> well thats not worken to well i need putty
[03:21] <FTTP> talliesin:  what we need is a global and free os so that consumers can freely communicate, freely exchange with each other, blah blah
[03:21] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: what FTTP said ;)
[03:21] <FTTP> talliesin:  Multiple distributions fine :)
[03:21] <Talliesin> (Of course that's a general left-wing argument against much of modern capitalism, which probably brings us deeper into big-P Politics than we should go :)
[03:21] <mike998> osiris_22: what's up?
[03:22] <FTTP> talliesin:  Noone should control our information ie mass media style
[03:22] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: but politics and ideology is what drove RMS and many in Free software/Open Source i.e. users and devels alike
[03:22] <osiris_22> see it accepts my password if i use putty on windows
[03:22] <mike998> okay... and on linux?
[03:22] <osiris_22> but if i ssh using the termanal it wont take my password
[03:23] <FTTP> talliesin:  right now microsoft means the balance of power is in the court of corporations
[03:23] <Talliesin> It's also what stagnated them.
[03:23] <osiris_22> ill have to ask my boss about it
[03:23] <Talliesin> "Open Source" was better able to appeal to a range of wider ideologies than "Free Software".
[03:24] <FTTP> talliesin:  microsoft internet explorer still uses html which is completely free although they use their own implementation over certain features and the like forcing you sometimes into internet explorer
[03:24] <FTTP> talliesin:  if it wasnt for html which is free, we would have to pay to use it :P
[03:24] <riffic> would anyone help me figure out why nautilus is hardlocking my system and how to fix please?
[03:24] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: it is not a stagnating influence but can be interpreted in various ways. Some of the interpretations of RMS ideals found a home in Linux or in RMS's view GNU/Linux and GNU/Linux is emerging as a threat like no other MS has encountered i.e. Linux cannot be bought over
[03:24] <FTTP> is HTML an opensource concept?:
[03:25] <FTTP> or someone owns the copywrite/patent on it?
[03:25] <riffic> no but it's an open standard
[03:25] <FTTP> riffic right but who owns the license/patent?
[03:25] <Talliesin> HTML is an open standard concept.
[03:25] <FTTP> i mean where did it come from
[03:25] <riffic> its not licensed/patented
[03:25] <FTTP> who developed it :P
[03:25] <Qo-noS> FTTP: I believe it is a standard of sort
[03:25] <riffic> it came from the w3
[03:25] <FTTP> ahhh
[03:25] <FTTP> w3 with mozilla too right?
[03:25] <FTTP> err i mean mosaic
[03:25] <FTTP> was w3 mosaic?
[03:26] <Talliesin> No license, no patent. The W3C owns a trademark and technically could sue someone who claimed to be implementing it if they weren't.
[03:26] <crschmidt> mosaic came from NCSA. Specifically, UIUC.
[03:26] (jdub/#ubuntu) ycco: yeah
[03:26] <crschmidt> I think.
[03:26] <FTTP> oh
[03:26] <crschmidt> (At least, that was our claim to fame when I was there.)
[03:26] <riffic> In October 1994, Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the Web, founded the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Laboratory for Computer Science [MIT/LCS]  in collaboration with CERN, where the Web originated, with support from DARPA and the European Commission. For further information on the joint initiative and the contributions of CERN, INRIA, and MIT, please see the statement on the joint World Wide We
[03:26] <riffic> b Initiative
[03:26] <afshin> has anyone had experince setting up a WUSB11 wireless card?
[03:27] <afshin> under ubuntu that is
[03:27] <FTTP> riffic right and that was a global standad
[03:27] <riffic> mosaic was a closed source browser that implemented the open standard of html
[03:27] <Talliesin> FTTP, nope, mosaic was only ever an implementation. "Ownership" goes TimBL (private project), CERN (TimBL was full-time employee), IETF, W3C.
[03:27] <afshin> is this the "support" channel?
[03:27] <riffic> but it was freeware
[03:27] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: yes
[03:27] <riffic> just licensed under ncsa's terms
[03:27] (jdub/#ubuntu) guys, please take the off-topic stuff elsewhere
[03:27] <FTTP> hehe
[03:27] <FTTP> sorry jbud
[03:27] <FTTP> err jdub
[03:27] <riffic> and non-free license, if you go with rms's idea of 'freedom'
[03:27] <Talliesin> IETF with 2.0, W3C with 3.2 up.
[03:27] <riffic> anyways, someone help me fix my gnome plz
[03:28] <FTTP> yeah i hear ya
[03:28] <FTTP> tallisein + riffic #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:28] <Talliesin> Well, to bring it back to the topic.
[03:28] <afshin> if anyone can help me with my wireless woes please message me, or setup a chat
[03:28] <Qo-noS> riffic: freeware is not the equivalent of FREE as in e.g. RMS or Debian definition ;) provision of source code is necessary
[03:28] <riffic> i know that
[03:28] <riffic> anyways, i joined because my nautilus locks up
[03:28] <FTTP> all who want to continue this discussion #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:29] <riffic> not to nit pick on the finer merits of the word freedom
[03:29] <Qo-noS> FTTP: okie in a while...snack time ;)
[03:29] <FTTP> ok
[03:29] <FTTP> anyways
[03:29] <cat_jesus> FTTP: as the general public becomes more technically saavy they will demand that the government use open source, this will hurt proprietary vendors dramatically
[03:29] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: take it elsewhere please
[03:29] <cat_jesus> The US government is Microsoft's largest customer
[03:30] <cat_jesus> sorry
[03:30] <Talliesin> Open standards are related to open source (which is how we got there) in that open source developers (like those for ubuntu, see how deftly I sail back on-topic) can use as a solid measuring stick for their work and as for interfacing between components. But the same would also apply in a situation of rival closed-source developers, as long as there wasn't a single dominant player.
[03:30] (jdub/#ubuntu) Talliesin: dude, come on
[03:30] <FTTP> talliesin:  #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:30] <FTTP> join there
[03:31] <osiris_22> is there scripts for xchat?
[03:31] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: it doesn't matter where it goes, it's just off-topic.
[03:32] <cat_jesus> Oh my god! Offf TOPIC!!!!
[03:32] <cat_jesus> burn them!
[03:32] <Rene_S> No new memo's :(
[03:33] <afshin> so is there anyone here who can help out with wireless?
[03:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: when off-topic conversations get out of hand, it's better to ask people to take them elsewhere, otherwise no one else will be heard.
[03:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: just ask your question please, don't ask to ask
[03:33] <cat_jesus> jdub, you point out the violators and I'll burn them at the stake
[03:33] <cat_jesus> We need to be extra vigilant
[03:34] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: cool it
[03:34] <cat_jesus> Of course we don't want to get off topic by pointing out that other are off topic, that would be .. well off topic
[03:34] <afshin> I have a WUSB11 v2.5 USB wireless card and when I plug it in the prism2_usb module is automatically laoded, however when I used iwconfig it says wlan0 has "no wireless extentions"
[03:34] <afshin> has anyone seen this before?
[03:35] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: is there another interface available?
[03:35] <riffic> so would anyone here have any idea how i could go about finding out why nautilus is locking my system
[03:36] <Rene_S> try running it in a terminal window
[03:36] <afshin> i'm not sure
[03:36] <Rene_S> maybe it might generate some messages
[03:36] <riffic> it screams something about locales not being supported in xlib or something
[03:36] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: what is the output of just 'iwconfig'?
[03:36] <cat_jesus> I don't see a package manager... is there one?
[03:36] <riffic> but I dont want to try it again to get the exact message because it will lock up again
[03:36] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:~ $ iwconfig
[03:36] <afshin> lo        no wireless extensions.
[03:36] <afshin> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[03:36] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: computer > system configuration > synaptic
[03:36] <afshin> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[03:36] <riffic> and i'm getting tired of hitting the reset button
[03:37] <afshin> wlan0     no wireless extensions.
[03:37] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:~ $
[03:37] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: hrm, not sure.
[03:37] <cat_jesus> ah
[03:37] <afshin> yes strange, i might try using ndiswrapper?
[03:37] <afshin> or you have any better ideas?
[03:37] <Rene_S> hmm, odd I am not sure what that error would mean. maybe jdub might
[03:37] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: perhaps. i've never tried it myself. :)
[03:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: the xlibs stuff is unrelated
[03:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: why do you think it's nautilus?
[03:38] <riffic> because when I try launching nautilus from xfce it locks up
[03:38] <cat_jesus> Should I let someone know that the live CD didn't work for my laptop?
[03:38] <riffic> and gnome locks up when it reaches that point where nautilus comes up
[03:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) can you move your mouse, or switch to a console?
[03:39] <riffic> it could be something else
[03:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: mail ubuntu-users
[03:39] <bigtony> question: if you do a ./configure  then make then make install on say proftpd   how in the heck do you uninstall it?
[03:39] <riffic> no, the cursor and keyboard lock
[03:39] <riffic> i can't alt-ctrl-f1
[03:39] <f00f> fixed the firefox problem
[03:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: you delete it from whereever it was installed. why did you build it?
[03:39] <f00f> :)
[03:39] <riffic> or alt-ctrl-backspace either
[03:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: can you ping the machine?
[03:39] <bigtony> maybe cause i don't know what i'm doing :)
[03:39] <riffic> haven't tried that but my other computer is in my car
[03:40] <riffic> and i dont really feel like setting it up =(
[03:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: you should install packages instead of building from source whenever possible
[03:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: and you're better off using supported packages (such as vsftpd)
[03:40] <bigtony> ok i'll make a note of that
[03:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: it simple enought to do both w/ checkinstall
[03:40] <riffic> if it's pingable vs not, what would that mean?
[03:40] <riffic> some sort of kernel lock?
[03:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[03:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: that X is locked
[03:40] <bigtony> ok thanks
[03:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: you might be able to ssh in or something
[03:41] <riffic> okay i'll get my laptop
[03:41] <bigtony> and vsftpd is a better daemon?
[03:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) X might be sitting there pulling 100% cpu
[03:41] <riffic> i didn't install sshd yet
[03:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: yes, that's why we chose to support it :)
[03:41] <bigtony> very good (i'm still new so don't beat me up to bad yet :) )
[03:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: what about pure-ftpd?
[03:43] <tom__> triffic it sounds like a font issue
[03:43] <madsen> Hmm, can one set a bandwidth limit on apt-get? I never found out in Debian and I can't find out now. :(
[03:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: try trickle
[03:44] <madsen> GammaRay: trickle?
[03:44] <Rene_S> coochicoo
[03:44] <Rene_S> hehe i cant read i thought he said tickle
[03:45] <riffic> tom__: elaborate
[03:45] <madsen> Isn't there some way of just passing apt-get a parameter or something?
[03:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: Trickle is a voluntary, cooperative bandwidth shaper. it works entirely in userland and is very easy to use.
[03:46] <madsen> GammaRay: Interesting... Tell me more... :)
[03:46] <tom__> riffic i have just been googling your problem ....
[03:46] <bigtony> jdub: you and gamma thanks for the help gonna install that ftp you recommended
[03:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I didn't really help.. I just bemused a little
[03:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: trickle -d 25 apt-get install trickle
[03:47] <PorscheBoy> anyone in here using the latest nvidia driver(6629)?
[03:47] <madsen> GammaRay: I have no trickle... :(
[03:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: that would limit apt-get to 25KB per sec
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: it's in universe
[03:48] <madsen> GammaRay: apt-cache search trickle gives nothing. :( I'm probably not in universe.
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Section: universe/net
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) here
[03:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: I misread you..
[03:49] <madsen> GammaRay: Oh, just found the two lines to uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[03:50] <madsen> GammaRay: Installing trickle now. :)
[03:50] <agwibowo> hello
[03:50] <tom__> triffic i have not seen your problem before but you may want to start here.... http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/locale/
[03:50] <agwibowo> does anyone know... why mplayer does not give me full screen video....
[03:50] <riffic> okay i'm going to run nautilus, then try the ping/ssh thing
[03:51] <agwibowo> although i used full screen.. it is still a little box on the middle of the screen
[03:51] <riffic> well i'll read that first
[03:51] <zenwhen> do you ahve ssh-server installed?
[03:52] <riffic> just installed it whoa zenwhen
[03:52] <zenwhen> hi there
[03:53] <riffic> x_Q
[03:54] <riffic> okay , running nautilus. bye
[03:55] <zenwhen> oh you ungrateful cad
[03:55] <zenwhen> >:(
[03:58] <Meshistopheles> spent a few hours writing on bugs, to only have my system freeze.  That's it, its the last kernel panic for me.  You guys shoudl rethink your ppc support.  I mean warty is supposed to be stable.  te ppc defintely is NOT.  I hate to say it but jaguar been incredible more stable.  I've had to do more hard reboots with ubuntu-ppc in the last 2 days than I have with jaguar and panther in what 3 yrs?
[03:59] <stuNNed> so if i have a p4 with hyperthreading support should i be running an smp kernel?
[04:00] <tvon|x31> I've only heard good things about Ubuntu PPC support...till now of course
[04:00] <regeya> hm.
[04:00] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) stuNNed yep
[04:00] <regeya> hrm.
[04:01] <regeya> says bad things, then immediately leaves.
[04:01] <regeya> I've run warty on PPC, though it was a Gigabit Ethernet G4, not brand-new iron.  I found it to be as solid as the x86 release.
[04:01] <regeya> and as easy to install as the x86 release, happily enough.
[04:02] <WW> Hello world.
[04:02] <riffic> no ping/no ssh
[04:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) odd that he should leave a minute after he says that
[04:04] <riffic> ?
[04:04] <Electroglas> I am having trouble with a game port on an SB16 PCI. jstest does not see the device. I believe MAKEDEV may need to be performed due to an error on boot that states this must be done first. I do not know how to run MAKEDEV. Any suggestions?
[04:04] <agwibowo> helllooooo
[04:04] <agwibowo> anyone can help me
[04:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) or maybe typical of someone who does not have their facts straight
[04:04] <agwibowo> mplayer does not give me fullscreen....
[04:04] <agwibowo> only little box in the middle of the screen
[04:06] <adoyretsamon> agwibowo, did you try using the "F" key?
[04:07] <ycco> jdub: hey bud... it's me "occy" ;)   could you msg me your email.  I have an idea I want to send you.
[04:07] <WW> agwibowo: I had the same problem.  I was told to use the -vo option, something like "mplayer -vo x11", but I never got around to actually trying it myself.  I've been using ogle for videos.
[04:08] <paper> anyone feel like helping try to get my usb Logitech Quikcam  found?
[04:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: mplayer -vo help
[04:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: try another output driver
[04:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) x11 does not streach here either
[04:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stretch
[04:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maybe your video card does not support xv, so it's using x11
[04:10] <zenwhen> Oh
[04:10] <zenwhen> Mplaye doesnt stretch for me either
[04:10] <zenwhen> without the gui
[04:10] <zenwhen> So I just use gmplayer. With the industrial theme, it looks quite nice.
[04:11] <ycco> jdub: nm, I googled.
[04:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) zenwhen: when video driver do you have it set to?
[04:11] <adoyretsamon> ycco, hey man
[04:11] <adoyretsamon> nomasteryoda here
[04:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) -when +what
[04:11] <zenwhen> xv
[04:11] <zenwhen> I use xv
[04:12] <riffic> jdub: it locked again, ping didn't respond and neither did ssh
[04:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) zenwhen: what happens if you do mplayer -vo xv ?
[04:12] <stuNNed> mplayer -vo sdl scales here
[04:12] <adoyretsamon> ycco - MGALUG
[04:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I noticed that as well.. was the first I tried
[04:13] <WW> Has anybody used the Sound Recorder app in Applications->Multimedia?
[04:14] <madsen> WW: It sucks... Bad!
[04:14] <WW> I'm trying to test this new microphone, but it is not working.
[04:14] <zenwhen> works fine then
[04:14] <zenwhen> thanks
[04:14] <madsen> WW: use `rec` instead.
[04:14] <madsen> WW: ... in a terminal.
[04:14] <tom__> riffic did u fix your nautilus prob?
[04:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure who I'm helping anymore
[04:14] <ycco> adoyretsamon: heh, hey
[04:15] <afshin> so I tried using ndiswrapper to solve my wireless problems, but when I do modprobe I get an error that says "Operation not permitted"
[04:15] <adoyretsamon> cool
[04:15] <WW> madsen: I'll give it a shot...
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maybe x11 is just plain the default on ubuntu...
[04:15] <riffic> tom__: no it still locks
[04:15] <adoyretsamon> afshin, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:15] <PorscheBoy> ghgh
[04:15] <tom__> riffic try typing locale into a terminal window
[04:15] <afshin> hrm i'll give it a try
[04:15] <riffic> pastebin?
[04:16] <PorscheBoy> jj
[04:16] <afshin> ok so i don't get that error anymore, but dmesg says:
[04:16] <afshin> ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=yes)
[04:16] <afshin> ndiswrapper (check_coff_hdr:102): Alignment mismatch: secion: 0x1000, file: 0x200
[04:16] <afshin> ndiswrapper (load_driver:1829): Unable to prepare driver
[04:17] <tom__> riffic what did it say?
[04:17] <riffic> i cant copy and paste
[04:17] <riffic> =(
[04:17] <adoyretsamon> afshin, make sure version of windows inf file matches the hardware
[04:17] <riffic> okay one minute let me figure out how to copy with this stripped down dumb terminal
[04:19] <riffic> tom__: http://pastebin.com/121648
[04:19] <agwibowo> hmmm....
[04:19] <agwibowo> mplayer says that my computer supports MMX2 and SSE, but they are disabled.. how can i enable them?
[04:19] <WW> Do I have to change any settings to get a microphone to work?
[04:20] <afshin> well i'm trying to install the .inf file that came off of the cd
[04:20] <afshin> that was included with the hardware
[04:20] <afshin> I would assume that shoudl work
[04:20] <tom__> riffic i like this pastebin thing .... never seen it b4 :)
[04:20] <afshin> maybe I should look for another version online?
[04:21] <adoyretsamon> afshin, which card
[04:21] <tom__> riffic ok ... now we need to work out why nautilus does not like en_US.UTF-8
[04:21] <afshin> WUSB11 version 2.5
[04:21] <afshin> that's a linksys
[04:21] <adoyretsamon> ah
[04:21] <adoyretsamon> yea
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> let me look
[04:22] <afshin> thanks
[04:22] <zenwhen> I have a version 2.8
[04:22] <zenwhen> I wonder if its supported
[04:22] <zenwhen> ?:(
[04:22] <afshin> beats me
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> afshin,
[04:22] <afshin> i hear that 2.5 has native support
[04:22] <riffic> tom__: i'm not even sure if its a locale problem
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> in terminal
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> do a
[04:22] <riffic> it was working before I did a apt-get update/upgrade last night
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> dmesg | grep usb
[04:23] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
[04:23] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver hub
[04:23] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2
[04:23] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 0
[04:23] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 0
[04:23] <afshin> prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
[04:23] <afshin> prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
[04:23] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb
[04:23] <tom__> riffic no but its a reasonable line of enquiry given the error message u got
[04:23] <riffic> with hoary
[04:23] <afshin> i know it's loading the prism2usb drivers
[04:23] <afshin> however
[04:23] <afshin> when i do iwconfig
[04:23] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:23] <afshin> lo        no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <afshin> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <riffic> i've been running hoary for a couple weeks now, nothing major until now
[04:23] <afshin> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <afshin> wlan0     no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <afshin> so i wanted to try ndis maybe i'd have better luck
[04:23] <adoyretsamon> afshin, modprobe prism2usb ?
[04:24] <afshin> so the module is already loaded, when i do lsmod | grep prism:
[04:24] <afshin> prism2_usb             78948  0
[04:24] <afshin> p80211                 33904  1 prism2_usb
[04:24] <afshin> usbcore               119044  5 ndiswrapper,prism2_usb,uhci_hcd
[04:24] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:24] <afshin> it just doesn't register wlan0 as a wireless device?
[04:24] <afshin> if you know how to fix that it would be great
[04:24] <afshin> otherwise i could keep trying with ndis i guess
[04:25] <WW> In the OSS mixer in Volume Control, I've turned up the Microphone slider, and Rec is checked for it.  Is there anything I need to adjust in order to record?
[04:25] <adoyretsamon> alias wlan0 eth1 ?
[04:25] <agwibowo> how to enable the mmx2 and sse support in mplayer????
[04:26] <afshin> hrm, should i be seeing a eth1 device though?
[04:26] <adoyretsamon> if you alias it then maybe you can do
[04:26] <adoyretsamon> ifup eth1
[04:26] <afshin> oh i see
[04:26] <afshin> lemme try
[04:27] <afshin> where do i put "alias..."?
[04:28] <adoyretsamon> /etc/modules.conf - i'm on suse right now ... anyone here know excact loc.?
[04:28] <afshin> well there's /etc/modules.conf
[04:28] <afshin> i could try that
[04:29] <tom__> riffic does this give you any clues? ..... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=76565
[04:29] <adoyretsamon> afshin, look at ubuntuforums too
[04:30] <riffic> tom I dont really think that is my issue
[04:31] <tom__> riffic ok ... sorry i cant help :(
[04:31] <riffic> i think x locking up when nautilus loads is my issue
[04:31] <WW> Argh.  I turned up everything in OSS mixer and ALSA mixer, but I'm still not getting any recording.
[04:31] <WW> What would be the simplest way to test a microphone?
[04:32] <afshin> adoyretsamon, which forums exactly
[04:32] <afshin> ?
[04:32] <adoyretsamon> i just search for that card
[04:32] <adoyretsamon> let me see
[04:33] <Solkaris> howdy all .. anyone know a way to force a install back to the baseline packages on the CD?
[04:33] <adoyretsamon> afshin, http://ubuntuforums.org/
[04:35] <tom__> riffic from googling it does appear though that locale inconsistencies with some programs can do exactly that
[04:35] <WW> Hey, made some progress!  I had to select "Rec" under "Volume" in the mixer. I can now record.  Terrible quality, but it recorded.
[04:35] <riffic> tom__: hrm, any idea how to fix?
[04:36] <riffic> maybe if I were to reinstall packages
[04:36] <riffic> or something
[04:36] <tom__> riffic not off the top of my head but its an interesting thing to try and work through
[04:36] <riffic> I followed the guide to unset my old iso locale and set the utf8 one
[04:36] <tom__> can or can't???
[04:36] <riffic> when i moved from warty to hoary
[04:36] <tom__> oops sorry wrong window
[04:37] <Solkaris> is there a way to reinstall the base packages from the cd without doing a complete reinstall of Ubuntu?
[04:37] <adoyretsamon> afshin, look at this too
[04:37] <adoyretsamon> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/157134
[04:37] <afshin> thanks
[04:38] <tom__> riffic hmmmm sounds suss then doesn;t it iof you have been making changes in this ballpark
[04:38] <blue_owl> can anyone tell me how to get .xinitrc or .xsession to be executed on login? I've had no luck with this.
[04:39] <afshin> adoyretsamon, hah, yeah i've read that one before, i think i've seen the majority of faq's on the subject
[04:39] <afshin> haven't seen one quite like my case though
[04:39] <adoyretsamon> lol
[04:39] <afshin> where the drivers are loaded
[04:39] <afshin> i see it in lsusb
[04:39] <adoyretsamon> i have a user who had same issue
[04:39] <adoyretsamon> he just bought another card
[04:40] <afshin> hah
[04:40] <adoyretsamon> but yours should work
[04:40] <afshin> yeah well hopefully i won't have to resort to that
[04:40] <afshin> you know of a distro that might have better support?
[04:40] <afshin> i've tried mandrake
[04:40] <afshin> ubuntu was a bit better though
[04:40] <adoyretsamon> if you have it this far
[04:40] <adoyretsamon> you are very close
[04:40] <afshin> yeah i feel close
[04:41] <afshin> i might try using the drivers from linksys site
[04:41] <adoyretsamon> afshin, i was going to say
[04:41] <afshin> even though they appear to be an older version of wglanctl
[04:41] <adoyretsamon> check the dmesg
[04:41] <tom__> riffic did you check out that earlier link i gave u on locale?
[04:41] <adoyretsamon> for the actual version you need
[04:41] <riffic> yeah
[04:42] <afshin> where will it state the version?
[04:42] <adoyretsamon> i have that problem with the Intel chip i'm using
[04:42] <adoyretsamon> as part of the ident string
[04:44] <afshin> adoyretsamon, i'm sorry, but what am I looking for exactly?
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> afshin, try this
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> # lsusb
[04:44] <afshin> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 066b:2212 Linksys, Inc. WUSB11v2.5 802.11b Adapter
[04:44] <afshin> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:000
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> yea
[04:44] <afshin> yeah i was pleased to see that
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:45] <afshin> my confusion comes from, iwconfig:
[04:45] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:/etc/modutils $ iwconfig
[04:45] <afshin> lo        no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <afshin> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <afshin> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <afshin> wlan0     no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <adoyretsamon> what does lsmod show
[04:47] <s0cks> CD people need to ship every day. Not every 2 weeks :(
[04:47] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:/etc/modutils $ lsmod | grep usb
[04:47] <afshin> prism2_usb             78948  0
[04:47] <afshin> p80211                 33904  1 prism2_usb
[04:47] <afshin> usbcore               119044  5 ndiswrapper,prism2_usb,uhci_hcd
[04:48] <adoyretsamon> man if prism is loaded too
[04:48] <afshin> i know
[04:49] <afshin> what determines if something has wireless extensions or not?
[04:49] <afshin> maybe i should keep poking around with ndiswrapper?
[04:49] <afshin> although that might produce a conflict with the loaded prism module?
[04:49] <adoyretsamon> right
[04:49] <adoyretsamon> if the prism loaded by default
[04:49] <adoyretsamon> then it should work
[04:50] <afshin> yeah, that's my understanding
[04:50] <afshin> i've read thing about having to set some sort of flag
[04:50] <afshin> like "doreset =1 "
[04:50] <afshin> with this particular card
[04:50] <afshin> that is when i'm doing modprobe
[04:50] <afshin> modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1
[04:50] <afshin> to be exact
[04:51] <afshin> lemme try it real quick
[04:51] <afshin> i remember something not working with that
[04:51] <adoyretsamon> k
[04:51] <afshin> here's what i get from dmesg
[04:51] <afshin> prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
[04:51] <afshin> prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
[04:51] <afshin> hfa384x_corereset: hfa384x_corereset not supported on USB on 2.5/2.6 kernels.
[04:51] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb
[04:52] <bigtony> question: to start vsftpd is it /etc/init.d/vsftpd and also after modifying the vsftpd.conf file how do you restart it? the howto i'm reading says use    /etc/init.d/xinetd restart but when i type that it says file or directory not found
[04:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: what about /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart?
[04:54] <bigtony> i thought i tried that lett me try again
[04:54] <afshin> aadoyretsamon, pparently the reset isn't supported
[04:54] <adoyretsamon> afshin, what happens if you unplug, plug
[04:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: xinetd is a controlling deamon for servers.. but it's a terrible idea for an ftp server becasue it starts a new copy for each user
[04:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm not sure of the exactly name
[04:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) exact name
[04:55] <afshin> from dmesg
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 3
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 3, error -71
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 4, error -71
[04:55] <bigtony> when i type vsftpd restart i get can not open config file: restart
[04:55] <bigtony> best bet to just do killall -9 vsftpd and then type vsftpd again?
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hold off on the -9
[04:56] <afshin> i did it one more time
[04:56] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5
[04:56] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 0
[04:56] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 0
[04:56] <afshin> hfa384x_corereset: hfa384x_corereset not supported on USB on 2.5/2.6 kernels.
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) kill it normally
[04:56] <afshin> and now lsusb shows the device now
[04:56] <afshin> but iwconfig still makes me sad
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: tried sudo vsftpd restart?
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm assuming you're in /etc/init.d
[04:57] <bigtony> i'm in root with sudo -s
[04:57] <bigtony> and yes to the dir
[04:57] <bigtony> and when i did killall vsftpd i get no process to be killed
[04:57] <adoyretsamon> afshin, look at this - it looks like it needs the amelwlandriver
[04:57] <adoyretsamon> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1218
[04:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: is it running? ps -fC vsftpd
[04:58] <afshin> that doesn't have to do with the amtel chip does it?
[04:58] <afshin> cuase i have prism
[04:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: if you started it w/ the script.. use ./vsftpd stop to stop it
[04:58] <riffic> would it have been a problem if I had both the utf and iso english locales selected when I did my dist-upgrade a few weeks ago?
[04:59] <riffic> and had the utf one as the default
[04:59] <afshin> adoyretsamon, so i have v.25
[04:59] <afshin> v2.5
[04:59] <riffic> would that be why stuff is locking me up now?
[04:59] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:59] <bigtony> i didnt' run the script
[04:59] <bigtony> i just did a apt-get install on it
[04:59] <bigtony> and then setup the config file
[04:59] <bigtony> and ran vsftpd
[05:00] <bigtony> but when i look in the ps -fC vsftpd it shows its not running
[05:00] <WW> In the OSS mixer, why do I have to select Rec under "Volume" (and not under "Mic") to record something with the microphone?
[05:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) well you should try the script
[05:00] <bigtony> when i type vsftpd again it says 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[05:00] <bigtony> ok and the script is located where?
[05:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: /etc/init.d/
[05:01] <bigtony> oh i go it
[05:01] <bigtony> ./vstfpd start
[05:01] <afshin> adoyretsamon, btw thanks for your time
[05:01] <bigtony> typo but you get the idea :)
[05:02] <bigtony> funny thing is it doesn't list in ps
[05:02] <bigtony> it said started th ough :(
[05:02] <adoyretsamon> afshin, np
[05:02] <riffic> anyways is there a way to force apt-get to reinstall everything, even up to date stuff
[05:02] <riffic> i think that might make this go away
[05:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: is there a /var/run/vsftpd.pid?
[05:03] <bigtony> let me look
[05:04] <bigtony> there is a /var/run/vsftpd/vsftpd.pid
[05:05] <bigtony> i did a netstat -an appear to be listening on port 21
[05:05] <bigtony> i also set /etc/hosts.allow  and added vsftpd ALL to there is that correct?
[05:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure if vsftpd reads that
[05:06] <bigtony> ok
[05:06] <bigtony> i'm trying to connect to it now
[05:06] <bigtony> brb
[05:07] <WW> madsen: You weren't kidding. Sound Recorder is terrible!
[05:07] <bigtony> nope can't get in
[05:07] <bigtony> i set Local to Yes
[05:07] <bigtony> and took the annoymous and put a # on it
[05:08] <bigtony> thats all i did cause from my understanding with that i can ftp to it with my username and password for here
[05:08] <bigtony> and it will let me login to my home dir is that not right?
[05:10] <bigtony> dang i typed ftp <IP_ADDRESS> it connects ask me for user id and i typed bigtony and it said denied :(
[05:12] <afshin> adoyretsamon, if i want to uninstall the current prism driver and install the one provided by linksys
[05:12] <afshin> first of all would that be worth it, and second do you know how to remove the current prism drivers?
[05:13] <Rene_S> c:\I386\winnt.exe would fix that for sure :)
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> if they are just loaded
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> then doing rmmod prism2
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> will unload
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> just make sure they are not called in the /etc/modules.conf
[05:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm not totally sure whats up myself
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> what is the dpkg command to remove a package?
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> dpkg -rm ?
[05:16] <afshin> dpkg -r
[05:16] <afshin> i think
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> man dpkg
[05:17] <bigtony> glftpd appears to be connecting :( let me see whats up with that
[05:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: local_enable=YES
[05:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I had to uncomment that
[05:19] <adoyretsamon> will be back...rebooting due to kernel update
[05:20] <bigtony> i did its cause glftpd is running i tried it first befor vsftpd
[05:20] <bigtony> now i can't figure out how to uninstall this crap :(
[05:20] <bigtony> i hate being a noob
[05:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I also had to uncomment chroot_local_user=YES
[05:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: either by themselves do not seem to work
[05:23] <bigtony> ok
[05:23] <bigtony> well i'm having problems getting glftpd to stop running right now otherwise i could test that :(
[05:23] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) is that a server or a client?
[05:24] <binarydigit> server
[05:24] <bigtony> i ran sh install.sh on it
[05:24] <bigtony> and it setup the dir and all
[05:24] <bigtony> just don't know how to uninstall it
[05:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic.. well maybe you could msg me the contents of install.sh
[05:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I could probably figure it out
[05:40] <s0cks> Waiting for CDs sucks.
[05:44] <lemsx1> well, just finished upgrading from nvidia to radeon (ati)
[05:44] <lemsx1> flawlesss. worked like a charm
[05:44] <lemsx1> only drawback: aptitude purge nvidia-glx
[05:44] <lemsx1> and dpkg-divert for a libGL file
[05:47] <trickie> hey anyone know how i can get to the zope admin interface? in the /etc/zopectl/default.conf it says the zope server will listen on port 9673, but i can't see it in my browser
[05:47] <trickie> the log files only say that zope has started
[05:48] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) nmap localhost ?
[05:51] <mojo> Are there any Debian package for Flash plugin which is built for Firefox?
[05:51] <lemsx1> and yo are sure that zope is running? do you have apache installed... etc...
[05:51] <trickie> yeah
[05:51] <lemsx1> flash-plugin-nonfree
[05:51] <trickie> lemsx1, i can see some zope processes
[05:51] <mojo> ok
[05:52] <lemsx1> trickie, netstat -na shows some ports listening... see if there is something that you know should belong to zope
[05:52] <lemsx1> trickie, or use: sudo lsof | grep -i zope (or whatever the name)
[05:54] <jmhodges> hey, im trying to use the ubuntu live cd to fix up some partitions
[05:55] <jmhodges> but its telling me that a) that it is unable to align properly and b) that the partitions im trying to delete are in use and could therefore "lead to corruption"
[05:55] <trickie> lemsx1, sudo lsof | grep -i zope is showing me zope related stuff... netstat -na isn't
[05:55] <lemsx1> jmhodges, did you fix your ati issues?
[05:55] <jmhodges> now.. ive used parted quite a bit before, and that seems to me that it means that the hd should be mounted.. but mount turns up nothing
[05:55] <jmhodges> lemsx1, oh yeah
[05:55] <lemsx1> trickie, does it show zope listening on some port?
[05:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: to make that more specific make that lsof -i
[05:55] <jmhodges> lemsx1, dpkg-reconfigure.. im a dunce sometimes heh
[05:56] <lemsx1> jmhodges, i just finished setting up mine and playing UT2003 and other 3d games... not bad
[05:56] <jmhodges> nice :D
[05:56] <jmhodges> ah, to hell with it..
[05:56] <jmhodges> ill use another disc
[05:56] <jmhodges> later
[05:57] <_scp> I am about to pull my hair out... I just installed Ubuntu, and I am trying to share a printer with an XP machine using CUPS
[05:57] <trickie> GammaRay, sudo lsof -i | grep -i zope gives me nothing
[05:57] <_scp> I have done this before, but it is not working for some reason
[05:58] <trickie> lemsx1, i can run zopectl start default to start my default instance, and i get no errors
[05:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: maybe just sudo lsof -i
[05:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: it should not be a whole lot
[05:58] <lemsx1> trickie, i have only use zope through apache before... i'm not sure how zope is supposed to "listen"
[05:58] <_scp> can anyone help?
[05:59] <lemsx1> trickie, you might need to read /usr/share/doc/zope/* more closely
[05:59] <trickie> lemsx1, ok
[05:59] <lemsx1> trickie, especially README.Debian :-D
[05:59] <trickie> GammaRay, thanks... doesn't look zope is actually listening
[05:59] <trickie> lemsx1, ok thanks
[06:03] <agwibowo> helloo
[06:03] <agwibowo> how to enable mmx2 and sse in ubuntu
[06:05] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: come again?
[06:05] <agwibowo> how to enable mmx2 and sse support for intel chip in ubuntu
[06:05] <lemsx1> bbl
[06:05] <agwibowo> coz i run mplayer, and it says that they are disabled
[06:05] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: uname -r
[06:06] <discord> is thier a package for the linux real player?
[06:06] <agwibowo> wait..
[06:07] <agwibowo> it says:  <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) discord: available via marillat's repository.
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) discord: well, the installer for realplayer.
[06:07] <discord> ok
[06:07] <discord> hmm
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: what cpu do you have?
[06:07] <discord> maybe i should download the installer from real networks
[06:07] <zenwhen> Thats where I got realplayer 10
[06:08] <agwibowo> intel pentium 3, 500 Mhz..
[06:08] <agwibowo> well. mplayer says that they are supported, but currently disabled (the MMX2 and SSE)
[06:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: sudo apt-get install linux-image-686
[06:09] <agwibowo> what's that going to do?
[06:09] <agwibowo> is it safe to do that?
[06:09] <agwibowo> is that kernel for my chip?
[06:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: that's a more optimized kernel for your cpu
[06:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) you should no longer get those mmx/sse warnings when running mplayer
[06:12] <agwibowo> ok.. thx..
[06:12] <agwibowo> why does ubuntu not do that by default? or did i download the wrong cd?
[06:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: because not every person who installs ubuntu has a 686-class cpu
[06:13] <agwibowo> which chips belong to the 686 class?
[06:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) pentium 2+
[06:14] <Talliesin> PII up
[06:14] <agwibowo> ah i see..
[06:15] <Talliesin> Because Pentium 1 would have been called 586 but you can't trademark numbers in most countries, so 286, 386, 486, *yoink*
[06:15] <aitrus> maybe a better question would be why doesn't the installer choose a kernel based on the processor in the machine
[06:15] <agwibowo> yes
[06:15] <agwibowo> why doesn't the installer choose the correct kernel..
[06:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) aitrus: then it becomes complicated
[06:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) some cpus don't implement certain instructions
[06:17] <aitrus> crimsun: as if installing a distro isn't complicated already =)
[06:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) better to stick with a kernel for the installer that is known to work
[06:17] <arun--> ok, i installed the package bittorrent, so i do i start usingit?
[06:22] <mockingbird> hello?
[06:31] <pepsi> how can i get xchat to open a new firefox window when i click a url?
[06:32] <pepsi> instead of using the popup menu
[06:32] <binarydigit> id like to know that as well
[06:35] <Hikaru79> For the fglrx-driver is there a line you have to use after the package is installed to enable it, like there is for the nvidia driver?
[06:36] <g445> rtyrty\
[06:39] <agwibowo> hmmmmm
[06:39] <agwibowo> i've installed linux-image-686
[06:39] <agwibowo> but it still says mmx and sse support are disabled
[06:40] <agwibowo> also, how do i know what clock speed is detected by linux?
[06:40] <agwibowo> coz i saw it says Intel Pentium Celeron 2 / Coppermine 3, and it says 155 Mhz.. but my computer is 500 Mhz!!
[06:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) agwibowo: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:41] <agwibowo> ok.. that's good
[06:41] <Synnerson> anyone know if there is a way to get ride of the Desktop directory?
[06:41] <agwibowo> relief me..
[06:43] (jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: you can delete it, but nautilus will most likely create it again. why do you want to delete it?
[06:43] <agwibowo> how do i know if the dma for my dvd is enabled ?
[06:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) run hdparm -i /dev/dvd (or whatever the device is)
[06:46] <agwibowo> ok thx!
[06:47] <Hikaru79> For the fglrx-driver is there a line you have to use after the package is installed to enable it, like there is for the nvidia driver?
[06:50] <agwibowo> hey thx to the person before who told me about 686 thingy.. i think everything is a little bit faster now...hehehe.. thx a lot
[06:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) Hikaru79: the binary driver howto on the website will help you with that
[06:52] <osiris_22> i gotta question
[06:52] <osiris_22> how do i access my floppys
[06:53] <Synnerson> jdub so I can just set my home to be my desktop .. find it easier with spatial .. easier to use for me
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: computer > disks > floppy
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: that'll mount it and open it
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: yeah, quite a few people like that
[06:53] <osiris_22> how do i access my ntfs partition
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: if you do that, the desktop dir won't be created
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you have to mount it manuallu
[06:54] <osiris_22> how do i do that jdub?
[06:54] <Synnerson> ok Ill give it a quick try .. thanks jdub
[06:54] <Synnerson> well soon as my system is done updating
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: mount -t ntfs <device> <location>
[06:55] <osiris_22> lmao
[06:55] <osiris_22> how di i find out the location?
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) you choose the location
[06:55] <osiris_22> so it would be like
[06:55] <osiris_22> mount -t ntfs hd0 desktop?
[06:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) no
[06:56] <osiris_22> ok
[06:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) device == /dev/hda3 or something
[06:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) location == /mnt or somewhere similar
[06:58] <osiris_22> it says it dont exist lmao
[06:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you need to know which device
[06:59] <osiris_22> how do i go about doing that man?
[06:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) perhaps run cfdisk, see what devices your partitions are
[06:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) don't change anything
[06:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) press q to quit
[07:00] <osiris_22> its hda1
[07:00] <osiris_22> so how would i type it out?
[07:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[07:01] <osiris_22> it says the folder contents cant be displayed
[07:02] <Hikaru79> Is there a line to check the full device name that your mouse is connected to
[07:02] <Hikaru79> ?
[07:03] <osiris_22> is there a reason why i cant view the contents?
[07:05] <Hikaru79> Anyone?
[07:05] <Hikaru79> Full device name to a mouse in ubuntu?
[07:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) /dev/input/mice ?
[07:09] <Hikaru79> mice or mouse0?
[07:09] <Hikaru79> They're both in there
[07:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the former, generally
[07:20] <riffic> gah, still having lock problems
[07:20] <riffic> any way to go from hoary to warty?
[07:21] <Rene_S> reinstall
[07:21] <Rene_S> only way i know for sure
[07:22] <osiris_22> how the hell do you install a damn window border
[07:22] <osiris_22> i installed it int he themes aread
[07:22] <osiris_22> area
[07:22] <osiris_22> and i cant find it
[07:22] <osiris_22> so how do i apply a window boarder
[07:22] <Rene_S> I ask my wife to do it she is more of an interior decorator
[07:22] <Rene_S> :)
[07:22] <riffic> i'm not reinstalling
[07:23] <osiris_22> so n one has the sligtest idea on how to change window decorations
[07:23] <osiris_22> and the task bar?
[07:25] <Rene_S> in the theme box is  a place called theme detaiks
[07:25] <Rene_S> details
[07:25] <Rene_S> that will let you choose borders
[07:26] <Rene_S> not sure how the taskbar works
[07:29] <imnes> Are there openoffice-ximian packages available for ubuntu?  Looks so much nicer than regular openoffice.  I know someone made them available for Dropline Gnome on Slackware.
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) warty x86 looks Ximianey
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) warty amd64 doesn't
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) as far as I've seen
[07:30] <imnes> ok
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) are you running amd64?
[07:30] <imnes> I had 64 I'm installing 32 right now.  Juggling 32 and 64 bit apps is no fun...
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) ah
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) really?  I don't seem to have a hard time with it
[07:31] <imnes> System is an opteron so I was trying some 64 bit distributions.
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) apt-get install ia32-libs
[07:31] <imnes> Some things I can't get working under 64.
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) like what?
[07:31] <Rene_S> riffic, you sure your nautilus is locked up and not just slow ?
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) I can run *doom 3* with it
[07:31] <imnes> Zend Studio, the installer won't run for me.
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) ah
[07:31] <imnes> yeah doom3 works for me
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) well tell me if you prefer ia32 ubuntu on your opteron after :p
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) the only REALLY ANNOYING thing about ubuntu so far has been a crash in firefox's form autocompletion