[04:43] <ptidav38090> all desktop, really?
[04:43] <ptidav38090> sorry, hello :)
[04:44] <ptidav38090> very interesting
[04:46] <ptidav38090> Openstack :)
[07:37] <lhh> hi
[09:50] <stqw> sup
[10:33] <Dimmy> You've got a great beard going there Mark!
[11:32] <nino> is the ubuntu edge going to be on the market
[13:13] <xnox> "Currently no events are active in this room"
[13:13] <xnox> please note if you are watching a recording, your questions will not be answered =)
[14:18] <meghraj> hello
[14:18] <meghraj> i am not able to attend live hangout
[14:18] <meghraj> can anyone give me the live hangout link ? please
[14:19] <lool> meghraj: no plenary right now
[14:19] <lool> meghraj: if you meant the rick + olli Q&A, it's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH6dC6SeS4Y#t=305
[14:21] <meghraj> thanks
[14:23] <ksv> hello
[16:41] <tusher> hello
[16:43] <kuro_arashi101> hello also ?
[19:01] <fatah> hi


[00:00] <nathwill> tgm4883, i think libreoffice came out after lucid ?
[00:00] <tgm4883> but yea, firefox doesn't count since it only gets the backports of new features because A) it's the defacto standard for an open source web browser on linux desktops B) Mozilla doesn't fix security holes in old versions basically requiring canonical to make an MRE and backport new versions to old releases
[00:00] <nathwill> (not that that's an excuse, but i think it's complicated by it)
[00:02] <nathwill> tgm4883, yeah, looks like libreoffice first forked away from oo in 10/10
[00:02] <tgm4883> nathwill, ok, so how about banshee
[00:02] <tgm4883> it was in hardy
[00:03] <tgm4883> lucid still has 1.6
[00:03] <tgm4883> quantal has 2.4
[00:03] <tgm4883> hardy has 0.13
[00:05] <nathwill> yeah, i'll betcha the version change from 1.6 to 2.X was prompted by some kind of breakage (lib dependencies)
[00:05] <nathwill> not that i'm disagreeing with you that it sucks
[00:06] <nathwill> i just think it may involve some awkward solutions that are considered to create worse problems than they solve
[00:07] <slangasek> bkerensa: not making it tonight, you said?
[00:07] <slangasek> tgm4883: sorry, I'm not sure what the topic at hand is :)
[00:08] <tgm4883> slangasek, ideally, I'd like developers to be able to push a single source package and have it build for all distro releases that meet the requirements set in debian/control
[00:08] <tgm4883> slangasek, nathwill thinks if it was doable, then it would have been done already
[00:09] <slangasek> oh
[00:09] <tgm4883> thats the basics of the conversation
[00:09] <nathwill> tgm4883, that's a bit different than what was suggested, which is one build for all releases
[00:09] <tgm4883> nathwill, no, I said one source build
[00:10] <nathwill> aha. so i misunderstood that
[00:10] <slangasek> I think it's not been done because it's not a high priority, because it's easily scriptable and the least of people's problems when publishing third-party software on Ubuntu :)
[00:10] <tgm4883> slangasek, right, where most of the issues come from the paperwork to backport stuff, etc
[00:10] <tgm4883> which is cleared up in the extra's repo
[00:11] <slangasek> well, the backports repo isn't for "third-party software" anyway
[00:11] <tgm4883> slangasek, the convo started on how canonical/ubuntu has made it much easier to run an LTS release because of the backported kernels and extras repo
[00:11] <slangasek> ah
[00:12] <tgm4883> and then it turned to, how many third party developers are really going to continue to build for 12.04 once 12.10 gets released
[00:12] <tgm4883> I say not many
[00:12] <slangasek> ah, I heartily disagree
[00:13] <slangasek> though I guess only time will tell which of us is right :)
[00:13] <tgm4883> slangasek, is that just your hopes or is there a reason for you disagreeing?
[00:14] <slangasek> I think third-party developers who are going to build binaries for Ubuntu at all are going to ask the question of how they should build it to maximize compatibility - provided that this doesn't force them to trade off against platform features
[00:14] <tgm4883> looking back at lucid repos, history sides with me on this
[00:15] <slangasek> there was no extras repo in lucid
[00:15] <slangasek> so there's no basis for comparison, because there *was* no archive for third party software
[00:15] <tgm4883> true, but the extra repo (AFAIK) still doesn't allow multiple releases for an APP
[00:15] <tgm4883> granted, my one app is still "in review"
[00:16] <slangasek> right; there are a number of known problems with the scalability of extras at preset
[00:16] <slangasek> present
[00:17] <tgm4883> well that would need fixed in order to release to 12.04 once 12.10 is released
[00:18] <tgm4883> and even then, when I'm building stuff with quickly, it doesn't make much sense for me to need to upload multiple source packages for the different releases
[00:18] <slangasek> sorry, I was responding to the "in review" bit - AFAIK the extras policy absolutely does allow you to submit an app for multiple releases
[00:18] <tgm4883> ah ok
[00:19] <tgm4883> yea I know they got hammered with the contest applications
[00:42] <bkerensa> slangasek: I am here now
[00:42] <bkerensa> and nathwill put up a event on calagator
[00:42] <bkerensa> http://calagator.org/events/1250462771
[00:42] <bkerensa> :D
[00:43] <nathwill> like a bosh
[00:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: ah, well then
[00:52] <slangasek> a bit early, aren't you? :)
[00:52] <nathwill> bkerensa is setting up party streamers
[00:52] <bkerensa> lol
[00:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: vagrantc says he will likely be stopping to get food somewhere else then will appear here
[01:01] <nathwill> alright, headed out, see y'all there
[01:07] <bkerensa> Only on hawthorne blvd is it acceptable to wear burgundy trousers and a fuschia colored flannel shirt with a green tie :P
[02:13] <philballew> Seems really hot
[18:14] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, It's cold and grey here in CC
[18:16] <nathwill> maskilpdx, bkerensa's doing an interview atm
[18:17] <nathwill> where's cc?
[18:17] <MaskilPDX> Crescent City
[18:17] <MaskilPDX> We are both from the same small town on the California Coast
[18:18] <nathwill> ah, i know crescent city. drove through many times on my way to arcada :)
[18:51] <c_smith> hey there.
[18:52]  * c_smith is still using Bodhi Linux
[18:59] <nathwill> eeew enlightenment
[19:12] <nathwill> well, about 50% of the way through the install for our soon-to-be psu-hosted loco server :)
[19:12] <nathwill> ^blkperl
[19:25] <blkperl> nathwill: ?
[19:36] <nathwill> blkperl, picked up the server from bkerensa yesterday, getting it prepped for install today
[19:44] <bkerensa> nathwill:  :)
[19:55] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://oregontaxcredit.com/
[19:55] <bkerensa> It is $50 for individuals and $100 for couples
[19:56] <bkerensa> but I dont think it applies to Super PAC's
[19:56] <slangasek> yeah... that's fine, we've donated enough to actual candidates this year ;P
[19:57] <bkerensa> :)
[19:58] <bkerensa> slangasek: https://www.politify.com/ <-- this has some good analysis
[19:58] <bkerensa> you can type in a city in Iowa
[19:58] <bkerensa> and it gives some interesting results
[20:00] <nathwill> hey bkerensa! how'd your interview go?
[20:09] <c_smith> bwahaha! 74% of residents in my area benefit from Obama's plan versue Romney's 26% XD
[20:09] <c_smith> still interesting.
[20:09] <c_smith> anywho, back to E17
[21:09] <philballew> Crescent City is such a nice place.
[21:24] <blkperl> Guess what hates precise
[21:24] <blkperl> dropbox.....
[21:24] <blkperl> load avg of 20....
[21:33] <bkerensa> blkperl: dropbox hates linux
[21:33] <bkerensa> thefinn93 had the same issues
[21:33] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:33] <bkerensa> tell them to fix their app
[21:51] <c_smith> hmmmmm...... not exactly sure how to go about binding a key with both play and pause on it in Rhythmbox when a script is needed (as is the case in E17
[21:51] <c_smith> )
[21:56] <philballew> ive found ubuntu in general had been giving me a high load.
[21:57] <philballew> as of late at least
[21:59] <bkerensa> philballew: your laptop is ancient though right? and your running quantal?
[22:04] <c_smith> yay..... a perl script intended to fix the issue of my play button and pause button being the same button does quite literally nothing without error.
[22:08] <philballew> bkerensa, no. Only three years old
[22:08] <philballew> 4 gigs ram.
[22:09] <philballew> Though I usually run Lubuntu
[22:10] <philballew> except for my laptop


[00:02] <persia> gourneau, The Netwalker V2 might also meet your needs: 5" tablet, ships with 9.04, USB host, etc.
[00:23]  * rsalveti brb
[01:09] <cwillu_at_work> persia, link?
[01:11] <persia> http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/pct1/index.html
[01:13] <persia> http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/pct1/spec/index.html might be more useful for some folk :)
[01:14] <cwillu_at_work> no english page?
[01:14] <persia> Not from Sharp
[01:14]  * persia looks for a reseller
[01:16] <persia> http://shop.conics.net/index.php/computers/pda-mid/sharp-netwalker-pc-t1-b.html
[01:17] <persia> (also available in Silver)
[01:19] <cwillu_at_work> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm seems more useful
[01:19] <cwillu_at_work> I'm a sucker for a physical keyboard :p
[01:20] <persia> cwillu, I also, which is why I got one of http://shop.conics.net/index.php/computers/pda-mid/sharp-netwalker-white.html :)
[01:21] <persia> touchbook is too big and heavy to be exciting for me (although it works nice, and I've seen a few folk very happy with them)
[01:21] <persia> but gourneau was looking for something like the SmartQ7, and the SmartQ7 can't run modern Ubuntu.
[01:24] <persia> In the with-physical-keyboard-but-oversized-for-persia arena, there is also http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook : I know some Genesi stuff ships with Maverick, but don't know anyone who purchased one of these yet.
[01:25] <persia> (and, so, I have no special affinity for i.MX51x based designs: they just happen to be widely available with little waiting today)
[01:25] <persia> s/so/no/
[01:50] <davidm> persia, lucid not Maverick
[01:52] <persia> davidm, The Efika Smartbook ships only with Lucid?  The Maverick shipments I heard about were EfikaMXs
[01:53] <persia> Or maybe that's just stuff from the developer program.
[02:02] <davidm> I was thinking of the Genesi stuff
[02:02] <davidm> If its Maverick it's not something we have done as we do not have a kernel that works with maverick
[02:03] <persia> Nobody is shipping our kernels today, except us.  All of Touchbook / Smartbook / Netwalker require custom kernels, sadly.
[02:03] <davidm> The iMX51 kernel was already a release behind on lucid
[02:03] <persia> I think Genesi has a maverick imx51 private kernel
[02:03] <davidm> and Freescale does not have one new enough
[02:04] <lool> There's a maverick image download for the efikamxes
[02:04] <persia> Ah, hrm.  Could be old.
[02:04] <davidm> They would have had to forward port "a lot" of stuff
[02:04] <persia> lool, Do you have a link, or know the kernel version offhand?
[02:04] <lool> bottom of http://www.powerdeveloper.org/platforms/efikamx/linux
[02:04] <lool> Their kernels are on gitorious
[02:04] <lool> http://www.gitorious.org/efikamx/linux-efikamx
[02:05] <lool> there's a -kernel for the smartbooks as well
[02:05] <persia> Sorry for confusion, by "internal" I meant "specific to that board and not in Ubuntu"
[02:05] <lool> it's 2.6.31 based though
[02:05] <davidm> will be interesting what kernel they shoehorned in
[02:05] <davidm> Ah so it is a lucid kernel
[02:05] <persia> OK.  2.6.31 is a bit aging, but with enough sauce, I suspect it could work just fine.  It has the new input stuff.
[02:09] <persia> lool, Do you know if the linaro imx51 tree supports the Genesi or Sharp products?
[04:58] <rsalveti> cooloney: hey, just sent one email saying that I didn't get any issues while testing current kernel
[04:58] <rsalveti> and nice that the patch was easily merged, and we got a new version already
[04:58] <cooloney> rsalveti: thank you so much for testing.
[04:59] <rsalveti> np
[04:59] <cooloney> rsalveti: helped a lot. I am going to verify the auido patches, then send out the pull request
[04:59] <cooloney> rsalveti: so far did you meet any audio issue with the audio fix
[04:59] <rsalveti> now the next step is to activate 1gb at the pre-installed image, and let more people test it
[05:00] <cooloney> rsalveti: agree, ogra will help to activate that mem=1G in U-Boot boot args, i guess
[05:00] <rsalveti> using the kernel built from my tree (with the audio patches) and using the config files from bug 637947 I was able to listen a couple of mp3 without any issues
[05:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637947
[05:00] <rsalveti> but testing with hdmi
[05:01] <rsalveti> needs more testing, but it seems that's working at least
[05:01] <persia> rsalveti, Which config files did you use from the bug?
[05:01] <cooloney> rsalveti: i never tried auido over hdmi before. need any special cable convert?
[05:02] <rsalveti> persia: with latest tree you can use SDP4430.conf that berco added today at the bug report
[05:02] <rsalveti> and then it seems we still need to change pulse to use it
[05:02] <cooloney> rsalveti: oh i just connect a speaker to the board, then sound's out
[05:02] <cooloney> that's my plan
[05:02] <rsalveti> cooloney: cool, I don't have a speaker around, so I tested with my tv
[05:03] <rsalveti> persia: I didn't follow all the audio discussions we had last week, but how are we planning to fix the need of changing the pulse audio config file?
[05:10] <cooloney> rsalveti: you got expensive equiment, heh
[05:10]  * cooloney brb, lunch time
[05:19] <persia> rsalveti, Which pulse files did you change from default?
[05:20] <rsalveti> persia: /etc/pulse/default.pa
[05:21] <rsalveti> persia: is expected that the alsa config file be enough to get it working with pulse?
[05:21] <persia> No.
[05:21] <rsalveti> ok
[05:21] <persia> Just to confirm, the changes you made to default.pa were to disable module-udev-detect and to add some load-module calls?  Did you have to change it any other way?
[05:22] <rsalveti> did the same change ogra did at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/637947/comments/14
[05:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed]
[05:22] <rsalveti> so how are we going to proceed with the relase?
[05:23] <persia> OK.  That's not as bad as it used to be.  If you don't do this, does it just not work at all, or only partially work?
[05:23] <rsalveti> the alsa conf is fine, we can create a package for it and deploy it at the TI ppa, or even setting up at jasper in the worse case
[05:24] <rsalveti> that's what I'm going to check now
[05:25] <rsalveti> just tested following the procedure to be sure the kernel was working
[05:25] <rsalveti> as mpoirier was working at these issues
[05:25] <persia> Last I understood with the investigation of this was that we didn't have the module loading stuff we needed from udev, and udev didn't have enough information in /sys to provide it.
[05:25] <persia> No worries.  We can figure out what is missing :)
[05:27] <rsalveti> ok, I'm just installing the latest pre-installed image and will check this
[05:30] <persia> Wow!  I would have expected yo u to just revert the default.pa changes or reinstall pulse, forcing config overwrite.
[05:31] <rsalveti> nops, that sd card is invalid atm :-)
[05:31] <rsalveti> many tests and debugging happening during the day ;-)
[05:32] <rsalveti> but panda is fast, so I'm fine
[06:13] <rsalveti> persia: ok, just changed the alsa file
[06:13] <rsalveti> still got [  123.889129] asoc: no valid backend routes for PCM: SDP4430 Media
[06:13] <rsalveti> let me test aplay now
[06:14] <persia> That message is the kernel not knowing how to deal with the audio path: either the driver needs touching, or the config needs more work.  Hard to say which is correct.
[06:14] <rsalveti> hm, no hardware at audio menu
[06:14] <persia> OK.  Anything from pulse in syslog or .xsession-errors?
[06:16] <rsalveti> aplay gives main:654: audio open error
[06:16] <rsalveti> let me check
[06:17] <persia> What!
[06:17] <persia> If aplay has an error, then ALSA is broken.
[06:17] <rsalveti> could be an invalid entry at the config file
[06:17] <rsalveti> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56799615/SDP4430.conf
[06:18] <persia> You're running with a kernel with the patches applied?
[06:20] <rsalveti> hm, doesn't seems that it loaded the config file
[06:21] <rsalveti> at least alsamixer is not showing the same thing
[06:21] <rsalveti> same volumes and etc
[06:21] <rsalveti> persia: yup
[06:21] <persia> Well, that doesn't sound "fixed" :)
[06:21] <rsalveti> getting  0 [SDP4430        ]: SDP4430 - SDP4430 from /proc/asound/cards
[06:21] <persia> How was it when it worked for you?
[06:22] <rsalveti> using https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/637947/+attachment/1583666/+files/omap4_amixer_config.sh
[06:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed]
[06:22] <rsalveti> and the pulse change I said before
[06:22] <rsalveti> but I remember the changed berco|laptop did was to be able to load the config file automatically during boot
[06:22] <rsalveti> while recognizing the board name
[06:22] <persia> Which involved some kernel changes.
[06:23] <rsalveti> yup
[06:26] <rsalveti> persia: ok, removed the old alsa.state, rebooted and now I don't get this error at aplay
[06:26] <rsalveti> probably old config hanging around
[06:26] <persia> OK.
[06:26] <rsalveti> but still no sound...
[06:27] <rsalveti> still seems that it didn't load the config file
[06:27] <persia> So aplay still doesn't work?
[06:28] <rsalveti> doesn't give any error, but no sound, but probably explained by the lack of correct values at the mixer
[06:28] <rsalveti> volume and etc
[06:28] <persia> Which is supposed to be fixed by that config file
[06:28] <rsalveti> yup
[06:30] <rsalveti> persia: do you know how it should request and load the config file?
[06:30] <rsalveti> at least to have something to start the debugging
[06:34] <rsalveti> ok, alsactl should give me some hints
[06:47] <rsalveti> alsactl init gives me: Found hardware: "SDP4430" "" "" "" ""
[06:53] <rsalveti> but seems to be loading just the default alsa settings
[07:06] <persia> rsalveti, Sorry, I don't really.  Fiddling with alsactl is about the most I can do.  GrueMaster may know more.
[07:12] <rsalveti> persia: but I'm able to play with aplay -Dplughw:0,7 /usr/share/sounds/speech-dispatcher/test.wav, at the hdmi
[07:12] <rsalveti> then how to tell the routes to pulse?
[07:12] <rsalveti> without messing up with the config file
[07:14] <rsalveti> well, more testing tomorrow, time to get some sleep now
[07:14]  * rsalveti out
[07:19] <persia> Good night :)  Anyway, the way to tell pulse how to work is for udev to populate the right audio paths, and have the right stuff in /sys.  I'll dig all that up, and prepare something that lets us test that for you and Gruemaster to play with when day gets there.
[09:13] <hrw> morgen
[09:14] <persia> Feeling particularly locale-bound today? :)
[10:08] <lool> persia: No, the Sharp and Genesi products aren't supported in upstream or in Linaro trees
[10:11] <hrw> persia: no, just from time to time I change
[10:23] <amitk> persia: if you care to compile your own kernel, try the patches in my tree on git.linaro.org for genesi (and I suspect Sharp too)
[10:24] <amitk> I'm working hard to get the basics all working for the next kernel merge window
[10:39] <jo-erlend> If I wanted to install the preinstall on a harddisk, is there anything different I need to do, or would the approach be the same?
[11:30] <ogra> bug 652873
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652873 in hdparm (Ubuntu) "after installing hdparm, panda board fails to boot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652873
[15:30] <persia> amitk, I'll try on a Netwalker just after release.  That sounds extra promising.  Thanks.
[15:47] <Kamondelious> is the rtl8192su driver support ported already in 10.04 or 10.10?
[15:47] <Kamondelious> I've been googling and can't find an answer =(
[15:52] <amitk> persia: I'm not targeting it to ubuntu/linaro release. If I get it upstream in the next couple of weeks, I might ask for it to be pulled into linaro.
[15:57] <persia> amitk, It's not your target: it's my time and available hardware :)
[15:58] <persia> I'm not likely to have sufficient armel build-time to build a kernel until release, and am even more unlikely to have time to build a custom Netwalker boot SD.
[16:25] <gourneau> I am getting a SmartQ V7.  It is said to have Ubuntu on it.  Does anyone know anything about those?
[16:37] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: if possible, can you test bug 646368?
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646368 in linux (Ubuntu) "smsc911x has no module alias, does not get auto-loaded on OMAP3 EVM (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646368
[16:38] <rsalveti> I created a kernel deb that has the proper patch to make the module autoload correctly
[16:38] <rsalveti> as I don't have an igepv2 I can't test it
[16:38]  * rsalveti out for lunch
[18:33] <rsalveti> argh, using 3g now, having issues with my internet provider
[18:36] <GrueMaster> fun
[20:11] <txwikinger> is there already a good and free IDE that I can use for the lpc1343 arm chip on (K)ubuntu?
[20:18] <GrueMaster> Not something that this group really focuses on.  This forum mainly focuses on ubuntu running on Cortex A8/9 based systems.
[20:21] <ogra_ac> and why would you run an IDE on your arm device ?
[20:21] <ogra_ac> :)
[20:24] <bfarrow> txwikinger: I doubt that there is a pre-packaged IDE, but if it uses a gcc crosscompiler then you can probably use eclipse or kdevelop.
[20:25] <txwikinger> the crosscompiler is only available for maverick, correct?
[20:25] <txwikinger> kdevelop is ok
[20:25] <devilhorns> or codelite, or codeblocks
[20:25] <devilhorns> (if you don't want the java bloat of eclipse, or qt bloat of kdevelop) :)
[20:27] <bfarrow> txwikinger: and you should be able to use gdbserver if your target is running linux or gdb stubs if the target has no OS
[20:28] <txwikinger> well.. the lpc1343 is too small to run linux I would think
[20:28] <txwikinger> only has 32k flash and 8k ram
[20:29] <txwikinger> The whole thing is for a hackerspace conference
[20:29] <bfarrow> txwikinger: if the ide uses gdb then you can usually get it to use the cross gdb and debug over a serial line to gdb stubs
[20:30] <txwikinger> The name badges that are given out are special prototype pcbs
[20:30] <txwikinger> I will be giving a presentation and would like to offer in that presentation a free toolchain/IDE that works on Ubuntu
[20:30] <bfarrow> txwikinger: do you have a serial port on it ?
[20:30] <txwikinger> Yes, a usb port
[20:32] <bfarrow> txwikinger: hmm, I don't know hard it would be to get gdb stubs to use USB.  Can you get to the UART signals from the lpc1343 ?
[20:33] <txwikinger> yes.. you can do that too
[20:34] <txwikinger> we have the pins layed out to be used
[20:39] <bfarrow> txwikinger: Hmm, I will have to give codelite a go, it looks like it can use an external cross gdb.
[20:39] <devilhorns> :) it's not bad if you like IDEs
[20:40] <devilhorns> personally, I just use jed + rxvt-unicode :)
[20:41] <ogra_ac> vi FTW :)
[20:41] <devilhorns> ewwww
[20:42] <bfarrow> I tend to use vi and gdb command line due to the lack of a good and fast IDE
[20:44] <devilhorns> I'll never understand people's obsession with an editor that requires you to use a bunch of archaic and cryptic key strokes todo even the simpliest things :)
[20:44] <GrueMaster> What do you use?
[20:45] <devilhorns> personally, I just use jed + rxvt-unicode :)
[20:45] <ogra_ac> if i'd use jed my code would be scattered with :q
[20:46] <ogra_ac> :)
[20:46] <ogra_ac> like my OO.o docs are
[20:46] <devilhorns> lmao
[20:46] <devilhorns> :q some kind of weird smiley ? or one of those cryptic vi commands ?
[20:47] <bfarrow> at least I haven't configured my shell to use vi key-commands
[20:47] <ogra_ac> finger memory ;)
[20:48] <ogra_ac> devilhorns, the quit command
[20:48] <devilhorns> ogra_ac, aahhh
[20:48] <ogra_ac> :w is also one i use often
[20:49] <txwikinger> Well. I am fine with commanline and editor too
[20:49] <devilhorns> see, that's another reason I like jed ... can also use the menus, so no need to remember cryptic key strokes :)
[20:49] <txwikinger> but there are those annoying people who call themselves users :D
[20:49] <devilhorns> txwikinger, blah, losers :P
[20:49] <txwikinger> Well... I want to see some happy faces when I do my presentation
[20:50] <devilhorns> well that's easy
[20:50] <ogra_ac> give out drugs at the entrance ?
[20:50] <txwikinger> maybe I should use quickly or quick-qt and create an IDE during my presentation :)
[20:50] <devilhorns> tell them all they are gonna get laid :P
[20:51] <txwikinger> oh well.. there goes the PG rating
[20:51] <devilhorns> lol
[21:46] <robclark> rsalveti: is there some trick to make your deb-pkg trick for cross compiling kernel play nicely with dkms?
[21:47] <robclark> I ended up getting dkms to build the modules ok (for sgx and tiwlan).. by NFS mounting my original kernel srcs directory under /lib/modules/.../source
[21:47] <robclark> but somehow vermagic is wrong in the resulting modules.. still using the old kernel's vermagic
[21:49] <ndec> robclark: rsalveti i am interested in the solution too ;-)
[21:51] <rsalveti> robclark: ndec: hm, never tried this kernel with dkms
[21:51] <rsalveti> probably missing the headers package
[21:51] <rsalveti> could be that dkms is building with omap4 headers
[21:51] <rsalveti> instead of yours
[21:52] <robclark> hmm, yeah..  I had to create a symlink for the headers.. if that is where it gets vermagic, that would explain
[21:52] <robclark> any convenient way to get a headers .deb too.. or you just manually copy over?
[21:52] <ndec> rsalveti: it's a bit more than that in fact. there are some tools that are built when building the kernel. when cross compiling these tools are built for x86, and they are embedded in the .deb. when building the module natively with dkms, it fails since the tools won't work on arm
[21:53] <rsalveti> ndec: yep, saw your email at the kernel-team ml
[21:54] <rsalveti> it seems we don't have an entry for kernel-headers similar with deb-pkg
[21:54] <rsalveti> ndec: did you try cross-compiling the ubuntu kernel?
[21:55] <ndec> rsalveti: yes, we do that quite often in fact.
[21:55] <rsalveti> but using dpkg-buildpackage?
[21:55] <rsalveti> using the latest changes from rtg
[21:56]  * robclark was just trying to build the old fashioned way..
[21:56] <ndec> rsalveti: robclark: this: CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- skipabi=true skipmodule=true fakeroot debian/rules binary-omap4, would create the kernel and headers .deb files (with codesourcery)
[21:56] <ndec> that should work with the new maverick cross compiler if you change CROSS_COMPILE
[21:56] <rsalveti> ndec: yup, and did it work with dkms?
[21:57] <ndec> rsalveti: nope... that's why I sent the email to andy ;-)
[21:57] <ndec> or tim, i think.
[21:57] <robclark> ndec: No rule to make target 'fakeroot'
[21:57] <rsalveti> oh, so it's not just a theory, it's actually a proved problem
[21:58] <robclark> (this is kernel-ubuntu.git from d.oz.o)
[21:58] <rsalveti> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[21:58] <ndec> robclark: I think you added an extra make in front no?
[21:58] <ndec> robclark: just copy/paste the command above
[21:58] <robclark> ahh, yeah
[21:59] <robclark> gotcha
[21:59] <ndec> robclark: and apt-get install fakeroot, if you don't have it
[21:59] <robclark> already got it
[21:59] <ndec> robclark: we are down to a few minutes for a full cross build on 8-core machine.
[21:59] <rsalveti> ouch
[21:59] <rsalveti> :-)
[22:00] <robclark> ndec: make: *** No rule to make target `binary-omap4'.  Stop.
[22:00] <rsalveti> robclark: try cleaning it, using the command I sent
[22:00] <robclark> k
[22:01] <robclark> same
[22:01] <robclark> no worries.. it seems like it would be easier for now just to manually copy over headers
[22:02] <rsalveti> weird, works fine for me...
[22:02] <rsalveti> binary-omap for omap 3 kernel and binary-omap4 for omap 4
[22:02] <rsalveti> but the omap 3 just works if you're using our main kernel tree
[22:05] <robclark> hmm.. I'm using kernel-ubuntu.git tree on dev.omapzoom.org.. the for-ubuntu-2.6.35 branch..
[22:06] <ndec> robclark: this is the right kernel, this is our branch that gets merged in ubuntu official kernel later.
[22:06] <robclark> yeah.. so I figure it has all the appropriate magic..
[22:16] <robclark> hmm, ndec, I'm a bit confused about how your command is supposed to work...
[22:16] <robclark> grep -r binary-omap4 debian
[22:16] <robclark> nothing
[22:16] <robclark> maybe I am on wrong branch?
[22:17] <ogra_ac> robclark, how do you build ?
[22:17] <ogra_ac> is it a package ?
[22:18] <robclark> well.. in the past I never built kernel package.. I'd just build manually, copy uImage to my MMC card, and away I go
[22:18] <ogra_ac> what counts in a package is the actual dependency in the control file
[22:19] <ndec> robclark: grep -r 'binary-' debian
[22:19] <dcordes> ogra_ac: ok it really was file corruption
[22:19] <robclark> hmm.. well..  actually, I'm really just looking for the easiest way to rebuild a kernel now that I'm using the initrd stuff, and ubuntu kernel which makes a lot more stuff modules (and sgx and stuff)
[22:20] <ndec> robclark: the easiest one is native compilation ;-) so I think you are in fact looking for the fastest one ...
[22:20] <robclark> ndec: yeah.. I guess fastest is a better word..
[22:20] <robclark> ndec: http://pastebin.com/DbXyMDWy
[22:20] <robclark> (yeah, IT stopped blocking pastebin!)
[22:20] <dcordes> RC working fine now
[22:21] <ogra_ac> dcordes, ah, i was just wondering what you refer to in the above conversation :)
[22:23] <ndec> robclark: oops. you need to run this first: export $(dpkg-architecture -aarmel)
[22:23] <robclark> ahh.. ok.. let's try that
[22:23] <rsalveti> robclark: do you have a directory called debian.ti-omap4?
[22:24] <robclark> rsalveti: yup
[22:25] <rsalveti> so fakeroot debian/rules clean should work and set up your env
[22:25] <robclark> ok.. the extra export cmd that ndec gave seems to have done the trick
[22:25] <ndec> robclark: yes, we need it too
[22:26] <rsalveti> robclark: makes sense, otherwise you're going to build the kernel following your host arch
[22:26] <robclark> ahhh.. yeah, I could see how that would be a problem
[22:27] <robclark> oh.. doh.. it forces me to mrproper.. which nukes my .config..
[22:27] <rsalveti> robclark: yup, it'll get the config file from the package
[22:27] <rsalveti> you can copy yours to debian.ti-omap4/config/config.common.ubuntu
[22:27] <rsalveti> before buildint it
[22:27] <robclark> ahh.. ok.. cool
[22:31] <dcordes> tmzt_: how do you rotate the screen in rhobuntu ?
[22:32] <dcordes> tmzt_: xrandr ?
[22:34] <tmzt_> no, add Option "CW" to xorg.conf under the device
[22:34] <tmzt_> Option "Rotate" "CW"
[22:34] <tmzt_> you aren't using codeaurora driver?
[22:34] <tmzt_> you're using fbdev?
[22:36] <dcordes> tmzt_: I am using xf86-video-fbdev , yes
[22:36] <dcordes> tmzt_: I compiled xf86-video-msm from codeaurora but the msm_fb in the kernel I use does not match so I will get corruption
[22:36] <tmzt_> Section "Device" Identifier      "fbdev" Driver          "fbdev" Option  "Rotate" "CW"
[22:36] <tmzt_> EndSection
[22:37] <dcordes> xrandr does not work in rhobuntu ?
[22:37] <dcordes> btw, what is rhobuntu ? karmic ?
[22:54] <robclark> rsalveti, ndec:  well, not quite all the way.. but further.. http://pastebin.com/Q49QvW50
[22:54] <robclark> is our tree missing debian/control?
[22:55] <rsalveti> robclark: gets generated by running clean
[22:55] <robclark> hmm.. ok.. so I should have followed your instructions the first time ;-)
[22:56] <ndec> sounds like a good starting point!
[22:56]  * robclark is just impatient sometimes
[23:06] <dcordes> In the latest netbook rootfilesystems the gnome-panel is locked so that one cannot move or remove applets. I checked gconf-editor on it and there is the /apps/panel/global/locked_down bool
[23:10] <dcordes> It is not set to true so it doesn't seem to affect it
[23:11] <orbarron> hey guy I need a toll to test a touch screen on ubuntu
[23:11] <orbarron> err toll = tool
[23:15] <dcordes> orbarron: multi touch ?
[23:15] <dcordes> So the qustion is, how can I unlock the gnome-panel in netbook ?
[23:15] <orbarron> no.. thought I try touchscreen calibrate
[23:16] <dcordes> do you use evdev or tslib ?
[23:16] <dcordes> evtest or ts_test
[23:17] <prpplague> dcordes: it's an event interface
[23:17] <orbarron> no... but I need something to calibrate
[23:18] <dcordes> orbarron: ts_calibrate
[23:38] <persia> gourneau, If you want to use Ubuntu on it, I recommend against the SmartQ7: the processor in it can only run Ubuntu 9.04 (which ceases support in a couple weeks).
[23:39] <persia> gourneau, The closest I know to be available in form-factor that can run current Ubuntu is the Sharp Netwalker tablet (available widely retail in Japan, or from exporters (conics.net and others)
[23:56] <orbarron> ahh can't get ts_calibrate...


[19:53] <kyconquers> I have a user in a group who is creating and editing files. I want the default ownership of those files to be user:group and not user:user. what file should I look in for this?
[19:54] <TheLordOfTime> kyconquers, you should probably ask in #ubuntu


[00:56] <hopeless> hi. anybody an idea how to install lubuntu on harddisk ?
[00:57] <jmarsden> hopeless: Boot from the CD, and select the Install item from the menu... then click through a few GUI screens of the installer... are you having a specific issue?
[00:57] <hopeless> i installed it from cdrom to an usb stick. now i have lost the cd but still have the stick
[00:58] <hopeless> now i want it on my harddisk but this item "install" is gone.
[00:58] <jmarsden> How hard would it be to download the ISO and burn a new CD?    I think that shortcut is just to a way of running ubiquity, the Ubutnu installer... if I can find out exactly what it does, you might be able to just type in that command to start the install process...
[01:09] <hopeless> oic
[01:09] <hopeless> thanks
[01:10] <jmarsden> That incon is not there on an already installed version of Lubuntu, so people do not accidentally install over the top of an already working copy... at least, I think that's why.
[01:11] <hopeless> makes sense to me :)
[01:11] <hopeless> but the tip with "ubiquity" was good. its not even installed. so that what i do now.
[01:16] <jmarsden> Right.  The icon in the live CD is a .desktop file... I think you can just run   ubiquity gtk_ui      once you have ubiquity installed.
[01:19] <hopeless> yup thats the plan. but everything painfull slow
[01:20] <hopeless> 92%wait ... load 6 ...
[01:20] <hopeless> i will report if it worked
[01:20] <jmarsden> OK :)
[01:30] <hopeless> hmm running for 5 mins but just giving a white screen. i'l wait
[01:30] <jmarsden> Seems long... but OK.
[01:32] <hopeless> this is an old p4 with 3ghz and 1gig ram...
[01:32] <hopeless> ...but the usb stick seems to be very slow
[01:32] <hopeless> yup now i got something on the screen.
[01:33] <hopeless> ok. i think from here i can go allone.
[01:33] <hopeless> thanks  a lot for the tip "ubiquity"... if you know what u are searching for things are a lot easyer :)
[01:34] <hopeless> good night
[01:34] <jmarsden> No problem!  Have fun with Lubuntu, ask again in here if you get stuck :)
[01:34] <hopeless> i will and again thanks. (u saved me :) )
[06:34] <Ciberglo> Could someone answer some doubts mine, about lubuntu? like, is it possible to run gedit on it ?
[06:36] <Ciberglo> Is it possible to run gedit on lubuntu just doing "sudo apt-get install gedit" ?
[06:49] <Ciberglo> Could anyone tell me if lubuntu supports Gedit ?
[06:49] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: you can install gedit. yes.
[06:49] <JoeMaverickSett> i tried it just now. :D
[06:49] <Ciberglo> just doing "sudo apt-get install gedit"?
[06:50] <JoeMaverickSett> yup
[06:50] <Ciberglo> nice to hear it
[06:50] <Ciberglo> i'm very excited to try out lubuntu
[06:50] <Ciberglo> at this moment, I'm using ubuntu
[06:50] <Ciberglo> but I'm sad with the ram used
[06:50] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: yeah, it's a great one. it's on my Vbox though.
[06:50] <Ciberglo> and I use really often virtual machines on virtualbox
[06:51] <Ciberglo> So, I realized I need a "light ram" distro
[06:51] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: lubuntu is pretty light.
[06:51] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett: Have you always used Lubuntu? If not, what was your previous distro and why you changed?
[06:52] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: i'm using vanilla Ubuntu, but i test Lubuntu on Vbox every now and then
[06:52] <JoeMaverickSett> i was using Windows previously
[06:52] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett: Nice to hear you swap to linux. But , what is vanilla Ubuntu ?
[06:53] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: it's the normal Ubuntu, using GNOME
[06:53] <Ciberglo> oh, ok
[06:53] <Ciberglo> Have you heard vbox released the 4. version?
[06:53] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: i'm using it. :D
[06:53] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett nice one
[06:54] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett: thank you to pay attention on my doubt. I was looking on google, but every result I found was teaching another thing and asking to open some text on gedit
[06:54] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: you could use leafpad instead.
[06:55] <JoeMaverickSett> it's the default text editor in lubuntu
[06:55] <JoeMaverickSett> i forgot to mention. :|
[06:55] <JoeMaverickSett> sorry
[06:56] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett: nice to hear, but I'm looking for gedit because of it's plugins. That I use to program (develop)
[06:57] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: ah, okie. :)
[06:57] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett: Because of it's plugins, gedit becomes almost like TextMate (Mac text editor, nice one to develop)
[06:57] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: any other support questions you might want to ask? otherwise we could hang out in #Lubuntu-offtopic. :)
[06:57] <JoeMaverickSett> Ciberglo: ah, i've that plugin on my gedit. :D
[06:57] <Ciberglo> JoeMaverickSett: Sorry, I forgot that. I'm going there
[07:21] <Kutakizukari> Just installed Lubuntu, like how it runs on my Compaq Presario V2000. I did have Ubuntu on it but it was a ram hog. Can Lubuntu get the software manager like Ubuntu has to pick from categories?
[07:30] <jmarsden> Kutakizukari: Synaptic doesn't work for you??
[07:31] <jmarsden> Kutakizukari: click on the bird button (lower left) then Preferences -> Synaptic Package Manager
[07:32] <Kutakizukari> jmarsden, yeah its working just wondering if the other could be installed.
[07:32] <jmarsden> You can install anything you want... but Synaptic can see the packages in sections too... Click on the Sections buton.
[07:34] <jmarsden> Kutakizukari: I think the one you are thinking of is called software-center   ... but installing it may pull in other GNOME libraries etc...
[07:35] <Kutakizukari> jmarsden, thank you, is there a website that is like the software-center for looking through software?
[07:36] <jmarsden> Kutakizukari: Not exactly, but maybe http://packages.ubuntu.com is close?
[07:36] <Kutakizukari> jmarsden, based on different categories
[07:36] <Kutakizukari> jmarsden, will check it out, thanks.
[07:36] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[09:17] <Ciberglo> Hi all again.
[09:17] <Ciberglo> Is there a tutorial to build lxde from source on ubuntu ?
[18:25] <bioterror>  hi gilir
[18:27] <gilir> hi bioterror
[18:27] <bioterror> got your computer fixed? ;)
[18:28] <gilir> not yet :/
[18:53] <UndiFineD> gilir: what is broken ?
[21:19] <Kutakizukari> I accidentally deleted the icon that turns the computer on and off, how do I get it back?
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> On the bar below?
[21:25] <Kutakizukari> MrChrisDruif, yeah.
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> I would think (not sure and can't test it) but right click on the bar and go to properties (or "add to panel" if that's available) and search for it there...otherwise I wouldn't know...
[21:28]  * kristian-aalborg puts lubuntu on the "new" T40 now
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> T40?
[21:28] <kristian-aalborg> Thinkpad anno 2003
[21:29] <kristian-aalborg> it had XP on when I got it, and actually ran well... I take it it should fly with Lubuntu
[21:31] <kristian-aalborg> I took 5 gb "aside" from another livecd
[21:33] <kristian-aalborg> hi hajour
[21:38] <kristian-aalborg> so, this is embarrasing.... can't remember how to auto-partition the remaining space
[21:48] <hajour> o/ kristian-aalborg
[21:50] <kristian-aalborg> the installer got lean
[21:52] <kristian-aalborg> fixing partitions when you pick username and such... that's rad
[21:52] <MrChrisDruif> Which USB installer would you recommend to create a bootable USB?
[21:52] <kristian-aalborg> unetbootin
[21:52] <kristian-aalborg> using it right now, as a matter of fact
[21:52] <MrChrisDruif> Want to put XBMC on a ION330...but the disk drive hasn't arrived yet :P
[21:52] <kristian-aalborg> this is for lubuntu, right?
[21:52] <MrChrisDruif> On (L)ubuntu?
[21:52] <kristian-aalborg> I mean, it is lubuntu you want to install?
[21:53] <bioterror> unetbootin failed me last week many times
[21:53] <MrChrisDruif> No, I want to install XBMC
[21:53] <bioterror> I tried it with linux and windows
[21:53] <bioterror> I had to use Universal Usb Installer
[21:53] <MrChrisDruif> And I've gotten similar experiences with unetbootin on ubuntu
[21:53] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: was the pen/device formatted to fat32 first?
[21:53] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, ofcourse
[21:53] <bioterror> and ext2 and ext3
[21:54] <MrChrisDruif> And startup disk creator?
[21:54] <kristian-aalborg> hmm... I've had mostly good experiences
[21:54] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, I used to have
[21:54] <bioterror> but not this time
[21:54] <bioterror> I got "Missing operating system"
[21:54] <kristian-aalborg> what was the iso? not all things work, I hear
[21:56] <kristian-aalborg> hmm... lubuntu said my machine was a T41 when it is a T40... should not matter much, I suppose?
[21:57] <MrChrisDruif> kristian-aalborg: You've been upgraded with Lubuntu ;)
[21:58] <kristian-aalborg> probably ;)
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> But Universal USB Installer it is?
[21:58] <bioterror> that would be my choice
[21:59] <kristian-aalborg> never tried anything but unetbootin and dd
[21:59] <kristian-aalborg> the latter seems tricky to me, though
[21:59] <bioterror> I cant figure out why only Arch supports dd
[21:59] <kristian-aalborg> it's in *untu by default as well?
[22:00] <bioterror> nope
[22:00] <kristian-aalborg> it's in mint
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> Is it also for Ubuntu?
[22:00] <bioterror> good for them
[22:01] <kristian-aalborg> I'll check when I have the lubuntu install running... pretty sure I used it in ubuntu
[22:01] <jmarsden> dd is in coreutils in Ubuntu, should be in Lubuntu also.  /bin/dd
[22:02] <bioterror> but still dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb wont boot up
[22:04] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed
[22:04] <bioterror> gotta be up in ̃~5hours
[22:05] <jmarsden> bioterror: Ah, so that's not "Ubuntu doesn't support dd", that's the ISO for Ubuntu not being bootable directly from USB.  Not an issue with dd at all.
[22:06] <kristian-aalborg> ok, so this is novel... when lubuntu starts, it has the ugliest halo ever around the logo
[22:06] <bioterror> yeah, well. Arch might be the only distribution which let's users to dd iso to usb stick
[22:07] <bioterror> and even bootup :D
[22:07] <kristian-aalborg> debian does as well, at least for some versions
[22:07] <kristian-aalborg> I actually thought unetbooting was more or less a GUI for dd
[22:07] <bioterror> no its not
[22:07] <bioterror> it does some bootloader changes
[22:08] <kristian-aalborg> appeareantly
[22:08] <bioterror> and it uses 7zip for extracting
[22:08] <kristian-aalborg> I thought it uzed lzha
[22:09] <kristian-aalborg> never researched much into those dark arts, though ;)
[22:24] <kristian-aalborg> is aptitude not in lubuntu by default?!
[22:24] <bioterror> no it's not
[22:24] <kristian-aalborg> why, if I may ask?
[22:25] <bioterror> I cant find why it's better than apt
[22:26] <kristian-aalborg> I don't know... some people say so, but I don't think I got an explanation
[22:26] <bioterror> exactly :)
[22:26] <bioterror> tomato, tomeito
[22:27] <kristian-aalborg> Kadaffi ;)
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> Meh...tried unetbootin....it failed miserably :P
[22:32] <kristian-aalborg> bugger
[22:33] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, suprised are:
[22:33] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, and:
[22:33] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, and even:
[22:33] <bioterror> :D
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: No, not really :D
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> I hoped against hope :P
[22:34] <kristian-aalborg> hurm... which services should I lose on startup?
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> kristian-aalborg: All?
[22:34] <kristian-aalborg> cryptdisks? ntp?
[22:34] <kristian-aalborg> MrChrisDruif: that would probably speed things up, yes ;)
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, you'd think :D
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> Who needs the kernel anyway? ;)
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> the new grub has commands for the HURD, I think
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, grub has some kind of support for the HURD...
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> But you know what I mend, right? :P
[22:41] <kristian-aalborg> what you mend? A broken jar, perhaps? :P
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> kristian-aalborg: Spell-checker says that ment isn't good <_<"
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> Just like atleast <_<"
[22:43] <kristian-aalborg> m-e-a-n-t
[22:43] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> God :(
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> You've made my day :D
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> And "atleast"?
[22:44] <kristian-aalborg> at least
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, always thought it was one word :P
[22:49] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: got any tweaks for the T40?
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmmm...Start up disk creator made an Lubuntu start up instead of XBMC :P
[22:50] <bioterror> :D
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> I know you like it....but it's going to be a Media Center PC for my parents...I just want XMBC on it....maybe with OpenSSH etc :P
[22:53] <bioterror> install arch
[22:53] <bioterror> and put xbmc into .xinitrc
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> I was trying to use XBMC's live cd thing :P
[22:57] <kristian-aalborg> Tromboon.ogg is kind of a mean file to get
[22:58] <kristian-aalborg> it's among the first files google list for "ogg sample"
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Tromboon.ogg?
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> :-/
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> it makes a hideous sound... I dl'd it to test and had full volume by accident
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> sounds like a psychotic elephant in your room ;)
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> But I like psychotic elephant's :D They calm my soul O:-)
[23:04] <kristian-aalborg> only when you smoke them ;)
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> No, it's the sound for me :P


[17:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: do you have access to a VM or something with LXQt quick?
[17:15]  * ianorlin does tsimonq2
[17:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: I need someone to confirm a bug that I've encountered with PCManFM Qt
[17:15] <phillw> also does
[17:15] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: create a folder or file or something, go into the trash can, and right-click on an iten
[17:15] <tsimonq2> *item
[17:16] <tsimonq2> crash? because that's what I get :P
[17:16] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: if you can confirm I'll report the bug later today
[17:17] <ianorlin> yep
[17:17] <tsimonq2> :( alright I'll do that later
[17:17] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: thank you :)
[17:17] <ianorlin> there is no pure qt interface for apport though
[17:17] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: wait, one more thing, is it in regular PCManFM?
[17:17] <tsimonq2> AKA GTK PCManFM
[17:19] <ianorlin> no I do not get it to crash
[17:19] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[17:20] <phillw> no crash here
[17:21] <phillw> pcmanfm-qt v0.11.0
[17:23] <ianorlin> I think I am using the version in the xenial repos 0.10.0
[17:25] <tsimonq2> well I'm using Yakkety
[17:25] <tsimonq2> so it crashes
[17:25] <tsimonq2> but I'm not at home now
[17:25] <ianorlin> and it crashes as well
[17:26] <ianorlin> !info pcmanfm-qt yakkety
[17:26] <tsimonq2> tonight I'll get a fresh install using my metapackage and I'l lsee if it still exists
[17:27] <tsimonq2> I'm using my metapackage because that's what it says to do on the wiki page :P
[17:33] <phillw> i'm still using Julien's :P
[17:34] <wxl> !info lxqt-meta
[17:34] <wxl> boooo
[17:35] <phillw> wxl: I've done and lxqt stuff in yakkety yet.. I only have the net-boot image. I'll drag the others in tonight
[17:35] <wxl> um
[17:35] <wxl> !lxqt
[17:35] <wxl> oops
[17:35] <wxl> !info lxqt
[17:35] <phillw> *I've NOT done*
[17:35] <wxl> tsimonq2: you see that?
[17:37] <wxl> !info lxqt xenial
[17:40] <tsimonq2> O__O
[17:40] <tsimonq2> I'll investigate tonight
[17:40] <wxl> thx
[17:40] <wxl> please report to mailing list
[17:40] <tsimonq2> np
[17:41] <tsimonq2> o/ I'm off cya
[17:42] <wxl> um wow
[17:42] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[17:43] <teward> wxl: lel?
[17:44] <teward> wxl: did anyone ever test the 16.04 isos since release on VMware architecture?
[17:44] <teward> 'cause the install's not working
[17:44] <wxl> teward: not i. don't have. you do, though, right? :)
[17:44] <teward> Live is
[17:44] <teward> installed is not
[17:44] <teward> yeah i'm redownloading the ISO now
[17:44] <teward> but it's odd that Live works, but installed doesn't
[17:44] <teward> (this never happened during devel!)
[17:45] <wxl> i think ther's someone else i nthe lubuntu camp that uses vmware besides you teward
 XD
[17:46] <teward> lol
[17:46] <wxl> we might want to push this over to #ubuntu-quality. there's probably some folks there that use vmware, seriously
[17:46] <wxl> sorry, not trying to be a jerk
[17:47] <teward> no problem
[17:47] <teward> i always start here :P
[20:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: aHA, I remembered on the way home
[20:23] <tsimonq2> that metapackage belongs to the Debian LXQt team
[20:23] <tsimonq2> and is not affiliated with Lubuntu
[20:23] <tsimonq2> therefore we shouldn't support it, because Lubuntu has it's own needs
[20:23] <tsimonq2> !info lxqt yakkety
[20:24] <tsimonq2> hmm one sec
[20:24] <tsimonq2> from the control file:
[20:24] <tsimonq2> Source: lxqt-metapackages
[20:24] <tsimonq2> Maintainer: LXQt Packaging Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:25] <tsimonq2> Debian email address
[20:25] <tsimonq2> just all Debian stuff
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: so that's your answer :)
[21:35] <wxl> tsimonq2: yes yes but it'/s not at all useful?
[21:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: it probably could be used but let's not count on it


[02:46] <bazhang> heads up on Phanes
[03:09] <valorie> phanes is often on the edge in #kubuntu
[03:10] <bazhang> he was waaay past the edge on another channel prior to starting up in #u
[03:36] <hggdh> in Feb 2016 he threatened me with doxxing
[03:48] <valorie> yikes
[04:09] <elky> that sounds about right. he'll also use suicide threats if he thinks it'll get him out of trouble.
[04:09] <elky> oh wait am i confusing him with someone else?
[04:10] <elky> i think i am actually. also a p-nick
[04:13] <hggdh> i ever seen Phanes suggesting suicide. He -- on what I have seen -- has always directly threatened the ops
[04:25] <elky> yeah i think i'm confusing him with someone else
[04:26] <elky> ah, tortib is the one i'm thinking of, so not even a p
[04:27] <dax> starts with a p if you rotate/reflect it a bit
[04:27] <elky> that's probably what my brain was doing
[10:09] <bazhang> home is fbombing #u and #x
[22:39] <Phanes> hey there
[22:39] <Phanes> how do i get in touch with the founder council members?  i need to discuss one of your operators' behaviour as it's starting to cause image issues with the ubuntu project.
[22:39] <Phanes> (privately)
[22:42] <Flannel> Phanes: Hi.  This is the place, or if you'd prefer to do it in private, you can join #ubuntu-irc-council
[22:43] <Unit193> It'd be the same process as..
[22:43] <Unit193> !appeals
[22:43] <Flannel> I'm not sure what a "founder council" is, but everything else sounds like those are the answers you're looking for.
[22:45] <Phanes> Flannel, discussing as advised in the irc council channel
[23:59] <Flannel> Phanes: you can probably /part here too


[06:44] <Guest2> Bon dia, que es l'ubuntu pro? no ho coneixia i ara em demana habilitar-lo per poder actualitzar.
[06:48] <Unit193> It should just be a message offering it, not actually preventing you from updating at all.
[06:49] <Unit193> https://ubuntu.com/pro extended security support basically, free for a few systems but if you have hundreds or whatnot, then it's not free.
[07:27] <Guest2> ok


[00:00] <CarlFK> default ubuntu-oneiric-amd64-handsoff ... hit enter..
[00:00] <CarlFK> label ubuntu-oneiric-amd64-handsoff	linux ubuntu/oneiric/amd64/linux	append initrd=ubuntu/oneiric/amd64/initrd.gz root=/dev/rd/0 rw auto=true netcfg/wireless_wep= interface=auto hostname= DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 url=shaz -- 	ipappend 2
[00:00] <CarlFK> those 2 files that were wget from that honken URL above..
[00:01] <CarlFK> netcfg/wireless_wep=  hmm... I wonder why that is there ;)
[00:01] <CarlFK> oh yeah.. hostname...
[00:01] <CarlFK> hostname=
[00:02] <CarlFK> this line in dhcp config:
[00:02] <CarlFK> https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/nodes/pxe/shaz/etc/dhcp/dhcpd-hostname.conf
[00:02] <CarlFK> option host-name=concat("dhcp", binary-to-ascii(10, 8, "-", suffix(leased-address,1) ) ) ;
[00:03] <CarlFK> that just makes up a "random" hostname that I can type
[00:03] <CarlFK> like dhcp123
[00:04] <CarlFK> or you can get the node's mac and set things up here:
[00:04] <CarlFK> https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/nodes/pxe/shaz/etc/dhcp/dhcpd-macs.conf
[00:04] <CarlFK> host cw1b{ 	hardware ethernet 00:90:27:1C:C4:AC ;	option host-name "cw1b" ;	fixed-address <IP_ADDRESS> ;
[00:05] <CarlFK> the dhcp server will send hostname=cw1b and the debian installer will use it so I don't have to type it in.
[00:06] <CarlFK> the rest of it is about the same as the preseed install you were already doing
[00:06] <CarlFK> or trying to do :)
[00:08] <legogris_> CarlFK: Alll right, it doesn't sound too intimidating I guess :) I'll try it out tomorrow and maybe I can hit you up if I run into somehting?
[00:08] <CarlFK> sure
[00:08] <CarlFK> I am here most of the time
[00:09] <legogris_> Cool, thanks :)
[00:11] <CarlFK> I use my local one a few times a month.  I put all that stuff on git about 2 years ago?  and tested it enough that I could deploy it.. and then deployed it in like 2011, and again in 2012.
[00:12] <CarlFK> and a few weeks ago I organized my repo and moved the dir down a level.  should just work, right?
[00:13] <CarlFK> whatever. I think it is a good starting point.  and hopefully doesn't burn up too much time


[10:26] <mapreri> good morning everyone! can someone tell me the name of the menu in the right side of the panel? The one in which I can open system settings, change user, power off the pc,....
[15:27] <FlowRisers> Hey, i have a question :)
[15:27] <FlowRisers> I want to make a QT + cpp app that can be run in the compiz widget layer, is it possible ?
[15:31] <FlowRisers> If anybody can leave an answer, or even a thought it will be very much appreciated.
[19:45] <bobweaver> Quick and funny question , Why is there skype png in dash/previews ?
[19:50] <bobweaver> Also I can set for armel 5 ?
[19:50] <bobweaver> in cmake or just 7 ?
[22:04] <bobweaver> Have you all seen this ?  http://devxdev.com/utv
[22:04] <bobweaver> it is a 1st for me
[22:05] <bobweaver> opps wrong channel sorry


[05:34] <HolyKnight> http://mlbpark.donga.com/mlbpark/b.php?p=151&b=bullpen2&id=6923458&select=title&query=&user=&reply=
[05:34] <HolyKnight> 새해 복 많이 받으세유
[09:46] <HolyKnight> http://story369.com/m/Article/ArticleView.php?UID=10204681
[11:17] <Feren^IRCCloud> HolyKnight: 복 많이 받으세요~!
[12:06] <HolyKnight> ㅇㅂㅇ


 You have to add the jar, which contains this class to the classpath
[12:47] <cousin_ub> add with a copy/paste in  javax/media/j3d/Canvas3D
[06:49] <Brodalco> helloes, peoples!


[14:02] <magicaltrout> jaas is great
[14:02] <magicaltrout> until stuff stops responding :)
[17:04] <bdx> rick_h: looks like you can just set arbitrary key=val to the extra-info, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/25498974/
[17:04] <bdx> but can you unset it/remove it?
[17:06] <bdx> here is the output piped to jq http://paste.ubuntu.com/25498983/
[17:07] <bdx> looks like only the extra-info works with the `charm show` cmd
[17:10] <bdx> ahh nice, looks like its flushed each time the charm revs
[17:10] <bdx> nice


[02:15] <tiwake> thebwt: I grew up in oregon, and when I moved to montana for three years it was a toss up between montana and texas... back in oregon and I want to move to texas now :3


 ok, thankyou very much
[03:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Just repeating questions I asked earlier;  1> How do I set sddm resolution?  2> how do I set desktop resolution from command line under wayland (since xrandr doesnt seem to work).
[07:08] <kanego_> hi
[07:39] <alkisg> enigma9o7: just a quick pointer, google for "video=HDMI-1:1920x1080@60e" in the kernel command line
[08:01] <iomari891> greetings, is it safe to upgrade to 22.04 now or should I wait awhile?
[08:12] <iomari891> when will 22.04 be available for online update? "sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop" shows "no new release found".
[08:13] <Unit193> It's usually offered to LTS users after the first point release.
[08:38] <iomari891> Unit193:   I'm not on lts right now. I'm using 21.10.
[08:39] <Unit193> OK, then it should be offered fairly soon, I'd say.
[08:40] <iomari891> Unit193: thanks
[09:09] <Unit193> iomari891: Though, if you *really* want you can force it to jump now.
[09:14] <TheBigK> i gonna wait... i dont see a big reason to upgrade now. nothing that really excites me. but i gonna test wayland again. see the progress beeing made.
[09:19] <Unit193> Fair enough, I haven't seen wayland for quite a long time now.  Before KDE and GNOME supported it.
 HiI just upgraded to Kubuntu 22.04 (from 20.04)I added Persian Caledar widget to panel and right after that, this is the situation with texts in many places.It persists until I restart.What could be the issue? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c31fa0c2/file_55436.jpg
 HiI just upgraded to Kubuntu 22.04 (from 20.04)I added Persian Caledar widget to panel and right after that, this is the situation with texts in many places.It persists until I restart. I should remove the widget and restart to get things in place again.What could be the issue? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c31fa0c2/file_55436.jpg
 I don't know to report this for which software. (re @ahangarha: )
[10:48] <mcox> hi - running kubuntu 21.10 (and very nice it is..)  - I have seen no update to 22.04 notification and '# sudo do-release-upgrade' shows -> No new release found.
[10:48] <mcox> how do I upgrade (or are we waiting for an upgrade fix or something ?)
 From what Unit193 said earlier, "OK, then it should be offered fairly soon, I'd say.", "Though, if you *really* want you can force it to jump now."
 Wait for some more days (re @IrcsomeBot: <mcox> hi - running kubuntu 21.10 (and very nice it is..)  - I have seen no update to 22.04 notification and '# sudo do-release-upgrade' shows -> No new release found.)
[11:03] <Guest78> How much longer is kde 5.18 going to be supported for?
[11:04] <mcox> thanks - i'll wait then
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi all guys I'm downloading kubuntu.
 Is installing apps same as ubuntu on kubuntu?
 Please answer me (re @Developer_MM: Hi all guys I'm downloading kubuntu.
 Is installing apps same as ubuntu on kubuntu?)
 yes (re @Developer_MM: Hi all guys I'm downloading kubuntu.
 Is installing apps same as ubuntu on kubuntu?)
 Thank you (re @bauchhaus: yes)
 My friends are having battery issue on ubuntu on laptop.
 Is it because of driver?
 If there is drivers to download how should i download for acer
 There are 4 options to install disc
 Which one should i choose
[15:34] <daemon-420> enigma9o7[m], what if you put your xrandr in your cron?
[15:41] <enigma9o7[m]> I've never used cron, but I assumed since xrandr doesnt seem to work after boot, that its not the solution, due to wayland.   I'm trying to figure out the kernel paramater like someone suggested above right now actually
 Guys I'm having problem
 When i turn on pc it's showing kubuntu logo after that showing acer logo and it's freezing there what should I do
 It's not opening kubuntu on windows
[19:27] <zelo> hello ;) how do i use an icm color profile i installed ubuntu, then added kde/kubuntu if it makes any difference
[19:31] <cbreak> I've not seen anything in the kubuntu settings that indicate support for color profiles :(
[19:31] <cbreak> maybe it's hidden somewhere else
[19:36] <zelo> i found some info on colord-kde i tried a couple of the commands like "colormgr get-profiles" but none returned anyting
[19:38] <zelo> i did find only one straight answer, but the options it described and screen shot were not there. must have been for some other version idk
[19:39] <cbreak> I think the gnome UI has it, but I've not seen color profile support in kde.
[19:40] <cbreak> at least not easily reachable
[19:40] <zelo> meh..yea the same conclusion i am finding..im not gonna compile n all that..ill jsut try cinnamon or something
[19:41] <zelo> thank you ;)
[19:41] <zelo> hmm now i have to figure out how to remove kde
[19:42] <zelo> can i just do purge?
[19:43] <cbreak> zelo: apt remove can do it
[19:43] <cbreak> just install an other DE first
[19:43] <zelo> i still have the ubuntu purple one
[19:43] <cbreak> for example, if you want to switch to lubuntu, you could install lubuntu-desktop
[19:43] <zelo> gnome isnt it?
[19:44] <cbreak> ah, so probably "ubuntu-desktop"
[19:44] <zelo> i.c
[19:44] <zelo> brb
[19:46] <zelo> so thats gonna be apt remove plasma-desktop the rest will go automatically?
[19:46] <zelo> do i need to do data or anyting else?
[19:50] <cbreak> zelo: the kde one is "kubuntu-desktop". You'd want to remove that one, and autoremove the rest, maybe.
[19:52] <zelo> i think i got it brb again
[19:53] <zelo> meh plaxma x11 is still listed. im not gonna select it..im outta time for now anyways. thank yo for helping
[19:54] <zelo> i did remove plasma-desktop
[19:55] <cbreak> zelo: apt autoremove doesn't offer uninstalling it? It might uninstall a whole lot.
[21:11] <Yfoem> Hello
[21:12] <Yfoem> I have a problem after installing Kunbutu 21.10. I have a black screen instead of the login screen.
[21:12] <Yfoem> I installed Kunbutu 22.04 just before and had no problem.
[21:12] <Yfoem> I was able to access the login page by pressing ctrl+alt+f5 while booting kubuntu on my installation with third party software (not tried with the installation without third party software)
[21:12] <Yfoem> Does anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[21:13] <genii> Usually it's the nomodeset stuff
[21:13] <genii> !nomodeset
[21:16] <Yfoem> yes I saw that in pb on google but I can't access to grub2 by holding the shift key and the escape key allows me to access to grub but without the display seen in the wiki (empty screen like a prompt)


[01:19] <Unit193> ~backports uploaded to PPA`
[01:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did tha aforementioned, added my PPA as build requirement.
[04:21] <bluesabre> pleia2: I think your decision was good :)
[04:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: much appreciated
[04:22] <pleia2> ok, good :)
[04:23] <bluesabre> and now it's time for bed
[04:23] <bluesabre> nighty allll
[04:24] <Unit193> G'nighty.
[12:25] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/dWHboool1hPkiFjDocCw btw.
[12:29] <Unit193> (http://paste.openstack.org/show/Uo1cWwyaGCkudnACrk64/)
[12:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-sntray-plugin_0.4.8-1.dsc btw if you want to try it, but I recommend xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin much more highly. :P
[13:02] <bluesabre> good morning!
[13:03] <Unit193> Heya.
[13:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: here's the fixed ind-plugin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zbPsN4BP3K/
[13:05] <Unit193> That's what my last paste was. :P
[13:05] <bluesabre> that I was working on at the same time
[13:05] <bluesabre> I see now
[13:05] <bluesabre> :D
[13:05] <bluesabre> well, good on us for being productive
[13:06] <bluesabre> you're the nicer guy, I tossed aside the ubuntu history in mine
[13:07] <Unit193> -Recommends: ayatana-indicator-application  ← This isn't documented, but otherwise nice.
[13:07] <Unit193> Yes, but you did better with the actual changelog. :P
[13:07] <Unit193> ..Hit wrap-and-sort before uploading if you don't mind?
[13:08] <bluesabre> don't know what that means, so feel free to do that and upload yours
[13:09] <Unit193> It'll sort the build-depends, it's an actual application.
[13:09] <bluesabre> neat
[13:10] <bluesabre> but yeah, go ahead and upload
[13:10] <bluesabre> going to try to figure out the xfdesktop thing today
[13:10] <Unit193> (I really don't mind if you do.)  OK, great.  That's one I can't do!
[13:12] <bluesabre> :D
[13:12] <bluesabre> Not convinced I can either, but going to throw code at the wall and see what sticks (and works)
[13:13] <Unit193> Ouch, thanks for trying.  Simon was the last to touch that patch, fwiw.
[13:23] <bluesabre> actually, it might not be so hard
[13:23] <bluesabre> just a lot of noise in that commit
[13:24] <Unit193> BTW, in case you need to backport to Xenial you can add ppa:unit193/staging  as a PPA dep, such that it uses https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+build/14363096
[13:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: cd xfdesk*;git init;gbp import-dsc ../xfd*.dsc;gbp pq import; do the changes, ammend commit? :>
[13:39] <bluesabre> here we go, that will make this easier
[13:39] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/accountsservice-background/+merge/335431
[13:41] <Unit193> Nice!  I didn't see it.
[13:51] <ochosi> kewl, good to hear bluesabre
[13:51] <ochosi> i didn't get to it, was busy bisecting notifyd
[13:51] <ochosi> didn't want us to have something that crashes here and there in the LTS...
[13:51] <ochosi> anyway, how about including screenshooter 1.9 now that we have exo too?
[14:07] <bluesabre> ochosi, Unit193, sounds fine to me, https://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-screenshooter/tree/NEWS
[14:07] <Unit193> In PPA, been picked up by Debian, now that exo is in only a matter of time.
[14:35] <bluesabre> flocculant, ochosi, Unit193: Got a working patch for xfdesktop :) Is there a LP bug that needs to be marked fixed with this?
[15:28] <ochosi> weee
[15:28] <ochosi> nice work bluesabre
[15:29] <ochosi> possible that there's no bugreport yet
[15:30] <ochosi> couldn't find one at least
[16:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: care to test? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4VdZzK2ty7/
[16:43] <flocculant> shall see what goes on there then :)
[19:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: how many monitors do you have?
[19:13] <bluesabre> I think I have a fix for the greeter going crazy and flickering non-stop and not allowing the user to login bug... but I can't seem to determine if that's ever been reported or if it only plagues me
[19:17] <bluesabre> unless it is one of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1410406 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1410406
[19:18] <bluesabre> (or the one that is not the same number, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1509780)
[19:19] <bluesabre> in fact, knowing what it is doing now, I feel pretty confident that it is those
[19:23] <knome> :)
[20:03] <benoliver999> Hey - I am trying to upload to the photo contest but keep getting PHP filesize upload limit errors. I have 3 images, the largest is 4.8M.
[20:03] <benoliver999> The wallpaper contest I mean, sorry.
[20:32] <bluesabre> knome
[20:37] <knome> bluesabre
[20:37] <knome> right...
[20:37]  * knome checks
[20:41] <knome> we should be at 8MB
[20:41] <knome> pleia2, any insight on this?
[20:41] <knome> Unit193, or there?
[20:42] <knome> wait, no
[20:42] <knome> different setting for php7
[20:43] <knome> benoliver999, can you retry now?
[20:44] <knome> pleia2, Unit193: problem solved, resume with life
[20:57] <benoliver999> Yup looks good!
[20:57] <benoliver999> Thanks
[20:58] <knome> np
[20:58] <knome> thanks for participating
[21:02] <Unit193> More than willing to test.
[21:05] <Unit193> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/thunar_1.7.1-1.html
[21:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: Am I supposed to see if it compiles, works at all, or leaks?  Does the first two!
[22:04] <Unit193> flocculant: You had mentioned wanting a working desktop, would you be interested in me syncing thunar from experimental to the PPA, then adding the compatibility patch to xfdesktop there? (Stacked atop the background fixing upload.)
[22:06] <Unit193> I note that we won't be looking to put that version of thunar in Bionic however, it being an LTS release we'd like to put as few development builds in.
[23:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: there is a bug sometimes when the mousepointer is over the login password input field and the whole thing starts to flicker and eat CPU
[23:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: only clicking into the password field makes that stop
[23:13] <knome> i also noticed today the mouse pointer is larger on the login screen than my desktop (:
[23:13] <ochosi> yeah, the greeter uses the systemwide mouse settings
[23:14] <ochosi> not the session/user settings
[23:14] <knome> i don't know that i have changed my user settings though?
[23:15] <ochosi> maybe not, but maybe the system default deviates from what we define in xubuntu-default-settings, which may only affect the session
[23:15] <ochosi> (just guessing)
[23:15] <Unit193> We use DMZ-White.
[23:16] <knome> maybe...
[23:16] <knome> i haven't noticed before (the new monitor) though
[23:16] <knome> what's the setting for you then?
[23:16] <ochosi> haven't checked
[23:16] <ochosi> but for me there has never been a diff
[23:16] <Unit193> update-alternatives --query x-cursor-theme
[23:17] <knome> me neither - so far as far as i can see
[23:17] <ochosi> yeah, i also use DMZ-White (if that was the question)
[23:17] <knome> yep.
[23:17] <knome> me too
[23:17] <knome> my cursor size is 24
[23:17] <knome> is is off-default?
[23:18] <knome> *it
[23:18] <Unit193> (And xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/CursorThemeName)
[23:26] <ochosi> bluesabre, knome: it's about time we decide what to do with gtk-theme-config (i know, another reminder...) i can probably make it a greybird-config or i can make it less broken than it currently is, but it cannot be "fixed" in the final sense
[23:26] <ochosi> i'm happy to either drop it or at least push an improved version
[23:26] <ochosi> but the current thing cannot be part of the release imo
[23:26] <knome> i agree with the last line
[23:27] <ochosi> (not sure *that* many ppl use it, after all, almost nobody complained about it being so utterly broken already)
[23:27] <knome> do you think you have sensibly time to fix it for this LTS, or would it just eat time from other stuff?
[23:28] <Unit193> https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gtk-theme-config
[23:28] <knome> Unit193 and the link show
[23:28] <knome> ;)
[23:28] <knome> or _ink show
[23:28] <ochosi> Unit193: is that a lot compared to "other" stuff?
[23:28] <ochosi> i mean what would you compare it with?
[23:29] <ochosi> knome: as it's bugfix, we still have a bit of time
[23:29] <knome> that's not the question...
[23:29] <ochosi> the question is what you understand as "fix"
[23:29] <ochosi> you already saw how far i got until now
[23:29] <knome> whatever you consider "good enough to ship with an LTS"
[23:29] <ochosi> and i can't get that much further
[23:29] <ochosi> i.e. there are things i cant fix
[23:30] <ochosi> i also described those already
[23:30] <ochosi> (e.g. tabs)
[23:30] <knome> my question directly relates to whether we are potentially eating your time which you could use to do something more useful
[23:30] <ochosi> so it's hard to say what is "good enough to ship"
[23:30] <ochosi> of course it will :)
[23:30] <ochosi> but the question is what else we really want to get done in time for 18.04
[23:30] <Unit193> I'd learn towards rm -rf as a fix. :3
[23:30] <knome> in that case i'd probably vote for "drop it for this LTS"
[23:30] <knome> and no replacement
[23:31] <knome> we can revisit later if people start crying
[23:31] <ochosi> another power manager bugfix release? or another clipman bugfix release?
[23:31] <ochosi> or whatever
[23:31] <ochosi> dunno if we have other critical bugs to attend to
[23:31] <ochosi> bluesabre took out one that i would have considered annoying (xfdesktop)
[23:31] <ochosi> and he took care of the greeter
[23:32] <knome> maybe provide the current version - or something slightly improved - in a PPA?
[23:32] <ochosi> and there has been another thunar 1.6 release that i didn't have to do \o/
[23:32] <ochosi> so depending on where we feel we need fixes, i can spend some time
[23:32] <Unit193> But can we trust it? :3
[23:33] <ochosi> Unit193: we can test it ;)
[23:33] <ochosi> anyway, give it some thought
[23:33] <ochosi> i'll be back tomorrow or so
[23:33] <Unit193> !info thunar bionic
[23:33] <ochosi> nighty!
[23:33] <Unit193> I mean...
[23:33] <knome> nighty ochosi
[23:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: there's some critical parole bugs if you want to poke that at all
[23:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: still need to give your -theme-config code a try, probably tomorrow for that
[23:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks for testing, was really only worried about it working, so that sounds agreeable
[23:54] <Unit193> \o/
[23:58] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/2.3.3-1ubuntu1


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[07:09] <ara> good morning!
[07:55] <persia> Has anyone else looked at the Ubuntu Studio alpha 2 builds?  I can't seem to get the -rt kernel to boot post-install.
[08:03] <ara> persia: I haven't try
[08:03] <ara> tried, even
[08:03] <persia> ara, No worries.  I'll bug the team.  Might be that the images fail.
[14:00] <ara> jcollado, eeejay: people are already talking about mago in the list ;-)
[15:41] <persia> So, I'm trying to test something in a schroot.  I've used schroot -p to get access to my environment (so X works, etc.).  Unfortunately, /dev doesn't contain the device I seek.  Does anyone happen to have a strategy to work around this?
[16:52] <sbeattie> persia: did you come up with a solution? I've not used schroot, but I've bind-mounted /dev successfully into other chroots before to solve that problem.
[16:55] <persia> sbeattie, I ended up finding a way to do my test without direct device access.  I'll give bind-mounting a shot, although I worry about permissions (I tend to use schroot to run things I don't trust on my local system :) )
[16:57] <sbeattie> you could bind mount just the specific device you need access to, rather than all of /dev
[16:57] <persia> Really?  How does one do that?
[16:59] <stgraber> just like you would for a directory
[17:00] <sbeattie> yep; e.g.  mount -o bind /dev/sdb1 /tmp/sdb1 (where you've touched /tmp/sdb1 to make it exist first)
[17:02] <persia> Oh, nifty.  I'll definitely try that next time I launch, as it's minimally invasive.
[17:33] <henter> 06270627hii
[17:48] <slangasek> we could use some help testing kubuntu ISOs for alpha2, currently there are 0 test results reported in for any of the ISOs
[19:17]  * fader does some kubuntu alternate amd64 testing
[19:17] <eeejay> hey cr3
[19:18] <cr3> eeejay: yo homie
[19:18] <eeejay> cr3, it's looking good
[19:19] <eeejay> cr3, now i am at the stage where i am dealing with the test results
[19:19] <eeejay> cr3, is the launchpad_report xml format what we use?
[19:19] <cr3> eeejay: excellent, but are you still firing report-result in your MagoCommand?
[19:20] <eeejay> cr3, no, and that is another buggie
[19:20] <cr3> eeejay: ideally, you shouldn't be concerned with the resulting report and you should only have to fire a report-result event
[19:20] <eeejay> cr3, the whole "questions" concept is very manual testing
[19:20] <cr3> I'm not sure I understand
[19:21] <eeejay> cr3, right now i added a "prompt" option to the plugin's options
[19:21] <eeejay> cr3, when it is false, the tests are added as shell plugin tests
[19:21] <cr3> eeejay: can you push your latest code so that I can have a look at that?
[19:21] <eeejay> cr3, when true: "manual"
[19:21] <eeejay> cr3, it is pushed
[19:22] <cr3> eeejay: interesting...
[19:22] <eeejay> cr3, how bad is it?
[19:23] <eeejay> cr3, with prompt being true or false, I want the test results to have the same fields, namely:
[19:23] <cr3> eeejay: it's good, I really like how you can set the plugin on the fly like that :)
[19:24] <eeejay> 1. pass/fail/skip 2. duration 3. message
[19:24] <cr3> eeejay: hm, that's reasonable but I wanted to get someone else's point of view regarding #3
[19:24] <cr3> fader: yo, got a minute?
[19:25] <fader> cr3: For you I've got three!
[19:25] <eeejay> cr3, the whole "comment" field is arbitrary for these kinds of tests. it is a nice addition, but that is not where the data should be attached
[19:25] <cr3> eeejay: by the way, correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't seem like you need the mago_prompt plugin anymore, right?
[19:25] <eeejay> cr3, correct
[19:25] <eeejay> cr3, it is staying around - just in case :)
[19:25] <cr3> eeejay: so where should the data be attached then?
[19:26] <cr3> fader: so, in checkbox, when a manual test has a corresponding script which can be run from the "Test" button, would it be reasonable for the output of the command to populate the comment box?
[19:26] <eeejay> cr3, result.data is fine, but the way it is martialled in launchpad_report doesn't seem right
[19:27] <fader> cr3: From a simplicity of test creation point of view, sure.  From a user-experience point of view, I don't like it. :(
[19:27] <fader> IMO the comments box should be for the user and for the user alone.  If I start seeing stuff pop up in there I'm going to get nervous and wonder if it's safe to edit.
[19:27] <eeejay> cr3, fader, i think we might need to introduce a new UI for this. it doesn't match the manual testing experience
[19:27] <fader> Plus the cases where people will want to edit or delete the info that gets populated there... it just feels unsafe :(
[19:28] <fader> (Sorry, eejay)
[19:28] <cr3> fader: fyi, I have changed the behavior of the radio buttons to be set to pass/fail depending on the result of running the script. I thought that was reasonable though
[19:28]  * eeejay agrees
[19:28] <fader> Yeah, I saw that discussion... that's a Good Thing.
[19:28] <eeejay> cr3, akshully, that might be problematic..
[19:28] <fader> Nice little usability boost!
[19:28] <eeejay> let's say video test
[19:28] <eeejay> the gst script returns status 0
[19:29] <charlie-tca> anyone else having issues restarting the desktop cd?
[19:29] <eeejay> doesn't mean the user saw the video correctly
[19:29] <fader> eeejay: It seems to me that as long as the user can change the value to 'fail' that's not a big deal
[19:30] <cr3> eeejay: for most cases though, it seems that the behavior is at least helpful to the user, not authoritative for the user. otherwise, the test wouldn't have to be manual anyways
[19:30] <fader> We're saying "Checkbox thinks this thing worked correctly.  Did it really?"
[19:30] <eeejay> fader: cr3: i would like to see an alternative show_test() method, instead of changing the behavior of this one
[19:30] <cr3> eeejay: what you're asking for is a way to select the tests which the user may or may not want to run, right?
[19:30] <eeejay> fader: cr3: the radio button change is very subtle, not really noticeable
[19:30] <eeejay> cr3, yeah. but not upfront
[19:31] <eeejay> cr3, allow the user to watch the test
[19:31] <eeejay> cr3, and then populate a UI
[19:31] <fader> I forget.... what does the radiobutton default to now after a test?
[19:31] <eeejay> cr3, which could even be read-only, except for a comment field
[19:31] <cr3> fader: it remains in skip state
[19:31] <eeejay> .. which i think is the correct behavior for manual tests
[19:32] <cr3> eeejay: wait, are you saying you want the test to: 1. run automatically; 2. populate the ui; 3. ask for feedback from the user?
[19:32] <eeejay> cr3, 3 - give the user an _option_ for additional comments
[19:33] <cr3> eeejay: as provided by the current ui, right?
[19:33] <eeejay> cr3, just like the current manual plugin
[19:33] <eeejay> cr3, could we talk on the phone?
[19:33] <fader> Heh
[19:33] <eeejay> fader: cr3: skype conference?
[19:33] <fader> eeejay: You don't realize that cr3 has a direct brain-link to IRC :)
[19:33] <cr3> eeejay: that's what I once did but then I introduced hibernate and suspend tests, imagine the user experience then: user is running a test and then clicks the "Next" button. suddenly, his machine hibernates for no apparent reason :)
[19:34] <eeejay> cr3, brilliant :)
[19:34] <cr3> eeejay: my motivation at the time is that I found it redundant for the user to have to click on the "Test" button, so I thought it was helpful to just run the test :)
[19:35] <cr3> eeejay: ideally, I would like to solve both hibernate and mago use cases in a consistent way instead of introducing all kinds of variations
[19:35] <eeejay> cr3, i agree
[19:35] <cr3> eeejay: even in the case of mago tests, I think the user might get surprised if applications suddenly start popping up without their prior and explicit consent or, at least, some action on their part
[19:36] <eeejay> cr3, the action on their part is "run test", we could make it clearer
[19:36] <cr3> that being said, lets revisit the problems with the current manual user experience
[19:36] <eeejay> "run automated UI test"
[19:36] <eeejay> dunno
[19:37] <eeejay> cr3, the current manual experience is good, imho
[19:37] <eeejay> cr3, that is why i don't want to touch it, but create a new UI that matches mago tests
[19:37] <cr3> eeejay: I would have the description of the test be explicit but keep a consistent "Test" button which can consistently have the same shortcut (Alt-t)
[19:38] <eeejay> cr3, i am just going to come up with a patch as a proof of concept
[19:38] <eeejay> cr3, but first i will eat a sandwich
[19:39] <sbeattie> iiiinteresting, ubiquity just crashed on the kubuntu live installer.
[19:39]  * fader wishes he could click a "give sandwich" button.
[19:39] <cr3> eeejay: I really don't see a problem with the description of the test saying something like: This will test gedit functionality. Click on the Test button to run the tests automatically.
[19:39] <cr3> fader: that would have to be run by the dbus backend so that you could also run: sudo give sandwich
[19:40] <fader> cr3: Wow, I should have seen that coming.
[19:40] <cr3> fader: that was pretty predictable indeed, I will try harder next time
[19:40] <fader> :)
[19:42] <fader> http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/push%20button,%20receive%20bacon.jpg
[19:44] <cr3> fader: the problem is that the sign is probably for a dryer in the bathroom... even I can't come up with something to do with bacon in the bathroom
[19:44]  * cr3 is lacking imagination :(
[19:44] <fader> cr3: "He doesn't know how to use the three shells!"
[19:45] <cr3> what the heck am I talking about, bacon is always good wherever you are
[19:45] <cr3> fader: very good point, I spent many a sleepless nights pondering those darn three shells
[21:20] <davmor2> fader: how are you dude?
[21:20] <fader> davmor2: brilliant and stunningly good-looking.  You?
[21:21]  * davmor2 picks myself up off the floor.
[21:21] <davmor2> Dude you really need to clean that mirror from time to time ;)
[21:22] <davmor2> Fine thanks.    Off the streets and out of trouble, right?
[21:26] <davmor2> fader: I know but I could do with being paid too :)
[21:27]  * charlie-tca thinks some people want it all ;-)
[21:28] <davmor2> charlie-tca: eating helps you know it's true :)
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Once in a while, anyway
[21:28] <charlie-tca> I haven't eaten in two days, again
[21:29] <charlie-tca> I am thinking I need to, though
[21:30] <fader> I have a great idea for a company.  Busy people can pay me to eat for them.  (Naturally I'd want high-end clients who are just too busy to eat their five-star meals.)
[21:31] <charlie-tca> heh, just might work
[21:33]  * davmor2 no good looking at me then :D
[21:33] <cr3> fader: you could also offer to go to the bathroom for them as an added bonus, no charge
[21:34] <charlie-tca> ohh, I would pay for that!
[21:34] <fader> cr3: Nah, I'm going to focus on my core competency here.  I'll leave the add-ons for third parties.
[21:34]  * fader mutters something about leveraging synergies to grow the brand...
[21:34] <cr3> fader: you're missing out on two potential customers in this channel: charlie-tca and myself
[21:35] <fader> cr3: I've seen what you eat.  You couldn't pay me enough to go to the bathroom for you.
[21:35] <davmor2> cr3: he did say 5 star meals though dude ;)
[21:35] <fader> ;)
[21:36] <cr3> yeah, meow mix probably doesn't qualify as "5 start"
[21:36] <cr3> err, "star" even
[21:37] <davmor2> cr3: It might do if your a cat :D
[21:37] <fader> I'm definitely not going to the bathroom for cats.
[21:38] <charlie-tca> Seems cleaner than dogs
[21:53] <fader> Hey, does the kubuntu oem install normally have a desktop icon for 'prepare for shipping' the way the ubuntu (gnome) oem install does?
[21:53] <davmor2> fader: yes
[21:54] <fader> davmor2: Thanks, that's what I thought.
[21:54] <davmor2> it's normally in the desktop folder
[21:54]  * fader is off to Launchpad.
[21:54] <davmor2> fader: first check and see if it's in the menu
[21:55] <fader> davmor2: Yeah, I didn't see it there unfortunately.
[21:55] <fader> There's also nothing in ~oem or ~oem/Desktop
[21:55] <fader> Er, there are things there but not oem-config related :)
[22:03] <cr3> pip pip, cheerio
[22:07] <persia> Anyone bored and feel like testing UNR?
[22:09] <fader> BRB, got to switch network connections here
[22:11] <fader> What did I miss?
[22:17] <davmor2> fader: just to double check you had installed the oem part right ;)
[22:18] <fader> Hehe yeah
[22:18] <fader> I had the same thought but was reassured when I realized I was logged in as 'oem' and it said 'oem temporary user' (or whatever it says) as my username
[22:19] <davmor2> i'm just confirming it for you :)
[22:21]  * fader hugs davmor2.
[22:22] <davmor2> persia: just finished dling it
[22:22] <persia> davmor2, Then you've beaten me :)
[22:22] <persia> Apparently all the regular testers took a break for this alpha, which leaves the rest of us :)
[22:22] <davmor2> 20meg BB
[22:23] <davmor2> persia: no it's just I've been busy ;)
[22:24] <persia> Oh.  I thought plars and StevenK usually did the UNR testing.  Sorry to exclude you.
[22:32] <davmor2> Oh yes
[22:32] <davmor2> persia: I just throw my hat in the ring from time to time :)
[22:35] <davmor2> fader:  can you try a resize on kubuntu against an existing install please
[22:35] <davmor2> with the existing having ext4 for the fs
[22:35] <fader> davmor2: Roger wilco... I'm just finishing up an install now so you have good timing
[22:41] <fader> davmor2: You don't mind if it's an alternate install rather than desktop do you?
[22:42] <davmor2> My issue is on live but it might be good to see if it affects alt too
[22:43] <fader> Huh, I don't seem to have the option.
[22:44] <fader> Maybe I munged something in my last install... let me play with this a bit.
[22:46]  * sbeattie tries to reproduce as well.
[22:56] <sbeattie> davmor2: worked here.
[22:56] <davmor2> meh just me on hw then?
[23:12] <fader> Okay, resize has shown up for me this time with only a single partition.  Does it not pop up if you have too complex a partition layout for it to handle?
[23:13] <fader> My internal clock is set to EAT... back in a bit
[23:46] <eeejay> hey fader
[23:47] <eeejay> fader, have you ever edited the checkbox glade file?
[23:48] <fader> eeejay: I don't believe so... why?
[23:48] <eeejay> fader, because there are custom widgets in it
[23:48] <fader> eeejay: cr3 might snap off my fingers if I started poking around at the internals of it
[23:48] <eeejay> fader: and i think you need a glade catalog file to compliment it
[23:48] <fader> eeejay: Yeah, I can't help you with that then :(
[23:49] <eeejay> fader: darns!
[23:49] <davmor2> fader: I got prepare for shipping in my kde
[23:49] <fader> davmor2: Is this with the alt CD?
[23:49] <eeejay> davmor2: where will you ship kde to?
[23:49] <fader> Hehe
[23:50] <davmor2> eeejay: endusers
[23:50] <davmor2> fader: no live
[23:50] <eeejay> davmor2: typical
[23:50] <fader> davmor2: Hmm, I'll try it again with the alt CD next
[23:51] <davmor2> eeejay: who else would you like kde to be shipped to ;)
[23:52] <eeejay> davmor2: the world's hungry
[23:52] <davmor2> eeejay: wouldn't they still be hungry
[23:52] <davmor2> I'd of thought food would of been better :)
[23:52] <fader> o_O
[23:53] <eeejay> i think they could use all the help they could get
[23:56] <slangasek> fader: I hear there may be something missing from the kubuntu alternate OEM stuff?
[23:56] <fader> slangasek: Yeah, I didn't get the 'prepare for shipping' icon
[23:56] <fader> I filed a bug but I will retest momentarily... I can't be sure it wasn't an ID10-T error.
[23:57] <slangasek> fader: does that mean the OEM install process fails?  I'm not familiar with that icon
[23:57] <fader> slangasek: There was no way to finalize the install and prep it for the end-user to receive.  It kept the 'oem' user and didn't present the first boot stuff that the user is supposed to get at first boot.
[23:58] <fader> First boot first boot
[23:58] <slangasek> fader: ok
[23:58] <fader> slangasek: I will retest and see if it was the crack I had for lunch :)
[23:58] <slangasek> I guess I'm inclined to pass on documenting this in the errata anyway, supposing that OEM mode is not a significant use case for our early-alpha testers