[08:25] <praisethemoon> Good morning
[08:52] <Dro> bjr
[08:52] <elacheche> Morning folks
[09:00] <davlefou> Bonjour a tous!
[09:03] <davlefou> Qui va à fnl la semaine prochaine?
[09:06] <elacheche> Me.. But have nothing to present/prepare because the website was not up to date, and yesterday when I re-subscribed there was only 3 options to choose within! I'll try to join the discussion session only..
[09:07] <elacheche> Even the speakers are just mentionned in the website with no detailled plan who'll talk about what or when.. I'd like to be present during  ichihi talk, but have no idea when that will be..
[09:09] <praisethemoon> I can't, it's at week's beginning :(
[09:09] <praisethemoon> or rather midweek
[09:18] <elacheche> ichihi: Please if you have any idea about date/time of your talk just let me know.. ;)
[09:34] <elacheche> nzoueidi: https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/849908742871175168
[09:36] <nzoueidi> Morning folks
[09:37] <nzoueidi> hahaha :D
[09:46] <elacheche> praisethemoon: afaik, UNIX is designed to be a whole OS not only a kernel, all components are relaed to each others.. It's a huge pile of code.. GNU & Linux was designed to be part of other things, I don't remeber where I heard this, but the idea behind is to code something that do only one thing, but do it very well.. That's what Linux do, it serves only one purpose, the kernel, and keep other fields for
[09:46] <elacheche> other programms..
[09:47] <praisethemoon> ahh I see
[09:47] <praisethemoon> it's thanks to that we have raspberry pie's and beaglebones
[09:48] <praisethemoon> thus comes IoT
[09:48] <elacheche> Yep..
[09:52] <elacheche> praisethemoon: I know that other people will give you better answeres, when they do, ping me so I can learn :D
[09:53] <praisethemoon> surething x)
[09:53] <praisethemoon> we never stop learning
[09:53] <praisethemoon> \o/
[10:36] <elacheche> Dro: https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/63wndz/live_stream_drupal_8_theming_from_the_ground_up/
[10:40] <elacheche> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/04/06/welcoming-ubuntu-to-gnome-and-wayland/
[11:21] <nizarus> GNOME, Wayland and hopefully Flatpak ! ils veulent que ubuntu abondonne snap aussi :-p
[11:22] <elacheche> hahaha x)
[11:22] <elacheche> They'll not do that, snap is for IoT.. Canonical will focus on IoT
[11:22] <elacheche> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDBg_TqSgHE
[11:41] <ichihi> elacheche, it's not entirely clear for me either :)
[11:43] <elacheche> That's confuses me more ichihi :(
[11:43] <elacheche> s/That's/That
[11:48] <elacheche> nizarus: It's really weird how I share many ideas with the community.. I'm happy that I'm not the only one in this planet that just hope that Canonical stop pushing Snaps to the Desktop and the Servers.. Snaps are good, but only for IoT..
[11:48] <davlefou> nizarus, Cela donne quoi pour la semaine prochaine?
[11:50] <nizarus> elacheche: les bonnes idées se propagent :-)
[11:51] <nizarus> davlefou: je suis comme toi je ne sais que ce qui est envoyé par le comité d'organisation.
[11:51] <elacheche> nizarus: The next "Lunduke Hour" will host RMS.. That'll be a good hour x) :D
[11:51] <nizarus> déjà elacheche a bien résumé beaucoup de choses dans son mail
[11:52] <nizarus> elacheche: youtube est censuré ici à la faculté je n'ai pas pu voir la vidéo :-/
[11:52] <nizarus> ichihi: en Tunisie la semaine prochaine ?
[11:53] <elacheche> nizarus: There is a whole other storm in my mind that I couldn't find a way to share by writing it, I need more coffee to translate  that to a mail :(
[11:53] <elacheche> nizarus: bookmark the youtube video.. You'll like it :)
[11:54] <elacheche> ichihi: As you'll be @Sousse, I'm interested of a having a cup of coffee with you & other community members :)
[11:58] <ichihi> nizarus, inshallah, I will.  Although, not everything is fully confirmed yet.
[11:59] <ichihi> elacheche, of course, it'd be a pleasure!
[11:59] <elacheche> :D
[12:00] <elacheche> ichihi: What do you think (as a RedHat guy) about the decision of Canonical to drop the usage of Unity as default?
[12:05] <elacheche> nizarus: You like Unity.. Are you planning to switch to Gnome or you'll use an other DE?
[12:07] <elacheche> I stopped using DE's years ago.. But if you'll try something other than Gnome, I recommend using MATE.. You can even make it looks like Unity using the MUTINY hack :)
[12:27] <plof> Guys, we have a very serious problems. Installing linux for beginners.
[12:27] <plof> problem*
[12:38] <elacheche> plof: What's the problem with that (except when you get the wrong mode (efi/bios) after creating the USB)..
[12:38] <elacheche> plof: "we" who are you?
[12:38] <elacheche> x)
[12:38] <plof> It is too complicated for a person who only knows how to open firefox.
[12:39] <plof> and do some facebook
[12:39] <plof> I know someone who studies philosophy and wants to use linux and not windows.
[12:40] <elacheche> plof: Installing Ubuntu/Mint/Zorin is not that hard if you know how to read and not shy enough to ask people for help..
[12:40] <plof> elacheche: It is still to complicated.
[12:40] <plof> too*
[12:40] <plof> Reading a ton to get something like that done sucks.
[12:40] <plof> It is too much intimidating
[12:41] <plof> Are ubuntu still sending free dvds?
[12:41] <elacheche> plof: If someone manages to install any other OS, so he can install a GNU/Linux distro.. If not, he needs to get in touch with someone :) That's why WE (community guyus) offer help when someone needs us
[12:42] <elacheche> No plof, No FREE DVDs fro years.. That program was shutdown
[12:44] <elacheche> plof: If you like I can help you teaching the person you're talking about how to do it.. I can supervise that person during the installation..
[12:45] <elacheche> plof: not everyone is supposed to know how to install GNU/Linux.. Using it is enough.. People who know how to install it can help.. Even RMS don't install his GNU/Linux boxes himself x)
[12:46] <plof> elacheche: The person that you want to help is not on the same political wavelength as you.
[12:47] <plof> elacheche: Can you still help him even if he worshipes Satan, or he is a Jew or some random communist?
[12:47] <elacheche> plof: Why we talk about politics now! o_O
[12:47] <plof> I don't know, i really have this impression that the tunisian people get too much carried by emotions.
[12:47] <elacheche> I don't care plof! This is a technical channel! I offer a TECHNICAL HELP! I suppose that the chitchat with other persons will be TECHNICAL as well!
[12:48] <plof> elacheche: Awesome.
[12:48] <plof> elacheche: So i would point you to him. He is from Kairouen. So i think he is in you vicinity.
[12:49] <elacheche> plof: I'm 95% that NO ONE in this channel share the same political/religious opinions! No one cares! That's not what we do in here! We don't talk about things that we're not supposed to talk about!
[12:50] <plof> elacheche: Yes, i am with being professional!
[13:05] <elacheche> praisethemoon: This is a little bit of what we were talkign about http://blog.octo.com/5-services-que-systemd-ma-deja-rendu/
[13:09] <praisethemoon> elacheche, do you know rust?
[13:09] <ichihi> elacheche, it makes sense:  it's extremely difficult to maintain something when there's no vibrant community around it.
[13:10] <elacheche> I heard about it praisethemoon
[13:10] <praisethemoon> it's a language developed by Mozilla Research
[13:10] <praisethemoon> a system level
[13:10] <praisethemoon> currently there is only C/C++ for that level
[13:11] <praisethemoon> not to mention assembly
[13:11] <elacheche> ichihi: Yes.. On an other hand.. There is a community of USERS around it.. Not enough for FOSS projects.. A Foss project need all a good Dev community around it..
[13:11] <ichihi> elacheche, at Red Hat, we had many requests to support KDE, but all our efforts are around GNOME.  We provide only minimal support for KDE.
[13:11] <elacheche> ichihi: the new RHEL is shipped with Gnome3 or still uses Gnome2?
[13:11] <praisethemoon> a redhat server running kde? why?
[13:12] <elacheche> praisethemoon: RHEL are not only for servers! There is a Desktop subscription as well ;)
[13:15] <praisethemoon> REHL = Red Hat H? L?
[13:20] <elacheche> RHEL == Red Hat Enterprise Linux
[13:51] <nizarus> elacheche: oui, j'aime bien Unity :-)
[13:52] <nizarus> il y a quelques semaines je suis passé sous gnome shell sur mon PC à la faculté
[13:53] <elacheche> I recommend MATE too (Old good Gnome2 look).. You can even make it looks like Unity using the MUTINY hack :)
[13:53] <nizarus> j'ai pas trop aimé mate :p
[13:54] <nizarus> mais bon on verra d'ici avril 2018 ;-)
[13:57] <elacheche> :)
[14:10] <praisethemoon> +1 for mate
[14:12] <praisethemoon> i have ubuntumate on vbox @ home :3
[14:16] <elacheche> I hated Unity from the 1st month using it after the pushed ot as default and dropping the Gnome2 alternative session.. I sitched to XFCE for a while.. Then LXDE.. Then When the 1st beta/stable of MATE was released I switched to it.. And was extreamly happy :D
[14:17] <elacheche> Until I realize that I don't really need a DE anymore.. And move to AWESOME WM :D
[14:20] <nizarus> j'ai un xfce sur mon petit notebook et j'aime bien aussi :-)
[14:30] <elacheche> :)
[14:33] <nizarus> qui a crée un compte Mastodon ici ?
[14:43] <elacheche> Not yet..  :) I got yours as well :) That's no big deal :)
[16:06] <Dro> elacheche, whats mine :p
[16:08] <elacheche> Dro: You forgot that I work for the same company!   The desktop product is not a very popular product, but it's still widely used on scientific workstations.
[18:56] <ichihi> elacheche, https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/introducing-GNOME3-desktop.html


[02:13] <SergioMeneses> good evening everybody!
[02:14] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, around?
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[15:36] <SergioMeneses> hello everybody!
[15:37] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, around?
[17:29] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone - see you tomorrow!
[21:27] <philipballew> jono, hey dude, you said you wanted to have a phone call/hangout sometime. When or how is the best way to schedule that for you?
[22:31] <jose> mhall119: ping
[22:34] <mhall119> jose: pong
[22:34] <jose> mhall119: hey, in two weeks there'll be a dst correction, do we want to keep the engineering update on utc or move it?
[22:34]  * mhall119 hates dst
[22:34] <jose> :P
[22:34] <mhall119> jose: let's keep it aligned with UTC
[22:35] <jose> ok, then
[22:35] <mhall119> which, if I can do this dst math correctly, makes it an hour earlier for me
[22:35] <jose> mhm
[23:02] <czajkowski> mhall119: UTC++
[23:04] <mhall119> czajkowski: I know, but remember I'm still on inches, gallons and Ferinheight
[23:08] <czajkowski> I know I saw the weather and forgot it was Ferinheight till I looked it up in celsius and nearly cried
[23:09] <czajkowski> -7 next week


[02:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:52] <wez> .o/
[02:52] <wez> How are you today lotuspsychje ?
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> all good here and you wez
[04:30] <wez> ledeni: busy
[04:30] <wez> lol, lotuspsychje I meant
[12:16] <matt3> help about wireless ... the name ...
[12:19] <tomreyn> matt3: hmm? support would be in #ubuntu
[12:20] <matt3> no, what is a wire ?
[12:20] <matt3> wireless = wrong name ...
[12:21] <matt3> cordless ... ;)
[13:34] <matt3> hi


[02:16] <Death_Sargent> strange booting things are going on
[02:17] <Death_Sargent> for some reason changes I make from ubuntu do not effect boot
[02:17] <Death_Sargent> such as boot slpash
[02:17] <Death_Sargent> or editing my menu.lst
[03:10] <benanzo> has anyone had any trouble with the recent feisty updates and the i810 module for an intel GMA950 graphics chip?  I get no DRI anymore  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2476161#post2476161 here's a link to a post int he forums.  maybe someone can help
[02:07] <warp10> Hi!
[10:03] <Death_Sargent> ok does anyone know where I can DL feisty
[10:03] <Death_Sargent> cause the site is being really slow
[10:04] <Knightlust> Death_Sargent: better use torrent
[10:10] <Death_Sargen1> ok so the torrent sounds promissing
[10:10] <Death_Sargen1> would be great if I could get a link
[10:12] <Death_Sargen1> nvm
[10:13] <eGGstain> http://www.eggstain.com/torrents/
[10:13] <eGGstain> i downloaded them from release.ubuntu.com this am
[10:13] <eGGstain> got he iso's in about 40 minutes
[10:13] <eGGstain> vry quick


[02:36] <h00k> phew
[02:36] <h00k> mornin.
[02:36] <h00k> er, evening.
[02:41] <lostson> heh
[02:42] <h00k> It's been oneof those days.
[02:43] <lostson> its always one of those days
[02:45] <lostson> ok gonna grab the laptop and head downstairs i have to keep an eye on the baby
[02:50] <h00k> How's openSuse?
[03:25] <mikeputnam> i believe Ubuntu Server LTS releases will eventually be competition for RedHat
[03:26] <mikeputnam> the number of dev's that are running ubuntu on the desktop have exploded
[03:26] <mikeputnam> and much like history has shown, if people run it on the desktop (Windows) the culture will eventually accept and embrace it on the server side
[03:27] <mikeputnam> whether it is the best tool or not.  simply because it is familiar.
[03:34] <h00k> woooo
[03:42] <lostson_> time to install mimic on the lappy
[03:49] <h00k> good luck
[03:50] <lostson_> no luck about it
[03:50] <lostson_> i know it will have had a working copy hosted and working for weeks now lol
[04:20] <h00k> wooo
[04:30] <h00k> that was fun
[04:44] <lostson> ok custome kernel is built time to boot into it
[04:50] <h00k> lostson: how'd it go?
[04:56] <lostson> works like a charm sound back in all my games and speedy
[04:57] <lostson> i should start a ppa keep my kernels in there
[04:58] <lostson> always did like building my own kernels anyway not sure why must be cuz i used gentoo for years
[05:13] <lostson> ok time for some ut99


[00:03] <savvas> clean works now?
[00:05] <savvas> that's a huge log :P
[00:06] <AdamDH> so where do I remove the clean tag?
[00:06] <savvas> maxb: is the right one dh_clean -k there.. or?
[00:06] <savvas> AdamDH: in install
[00:07] <savvas> I think it should be dh_prep or dh_clean -k
[00:07] <savvas> (still a newbie, don't mind me :P)
[00:07] <maxb> yes, that's right
[00:10] <maxb> delete the dh_clean in the build rule too
[00:12] <AdamDH> thanks will give it a clean
[00:12] <AdamDH> *go
[00:16] <AdamDH> even after removing all that I still get that error
[00:23] <AdamDH> thanks for all the help maxb I got a working package http://paste.ubuntu.com/119875/ there is my rules is that sane?
[00:23] <AdamDH> and savvas
[00:26] <savvas> AdamDH: add dh_clean in "clean:"
[00:26] <savvas> And I think everything else looks good
[00:28] <AdamDH> would that rule once corrected be considered on the next cycle for inclusion into ubuntu?
[00:31] <AdamDH> why do some packages use dh_ tags and some do not use any just a standard make and some shell?
[00:32] <savvas> what do you mean by dh_ tags? dh_* commands?
[00:32] <AdamDH> dh_* commands sorry
[00:33] <AdamDH> looking at say binutils source there rules does not have any dh_* tags
[00:33] <AdamDH> i mean commands
[00:42] <savvas> AdamDH: I think binutils is GNU utilities, probably it is treated as a special package that doesn't use any debhelper commands
[00:44] <AdamDH> its a nice rules file tho easy to read
[00:45] <AdamDH> right one package down time to clean up my gcc rules
[00:46] <savvas> AdamDH: I like to build mine using cdbs: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~medigeek/%2Bjunk/dcsharp/files/head%3A/debian/
[00:47] <AdamDH> never really liked cdbs
[00:48] <savvas> ah, ok :)
[01:41] <maxb> savvas: every package uses dh_* commands
[01:41] <maxb> oops
[01:42] <maxb> AdamDH: ^
[01:42] <maxb> (or at least 99.9% of them, anyway)
[01:42] <ScottK> maxb: Note every one.
[01:42] <ScottK> Note/Not.
[01:43] <ScottK> It's completely and totally optional just way more trouble to avoid than to use for almost everyone.
[01:43] <maxb> ok, but the ones that don't are super-rare exceptions
[01:44] <ScottK> Unfortunately one of the Debian SE Linux maintainers is one of those exceptions.
[01:44] <savvas> heh
[01:44] <StevenK> The *vast* majority of source packages use debhelper
[01:45] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:46] <maxb> AdamDH: your indentation is a bit odd, better to be standard. you still have that wrong remove-patch logic in there. You've switched to $(PWD) - don't, I'm fairly sure $(CURDIR) is preferred.
[01:46] <StevenK> Then there's the oddballs that use debstd (isn't that dead yet?), yada (wish it was dead) or by hand
[01:47] <AdamDH> thanks maxb I will take that into account
[01:47] <ScottK> StevenK: Manoj has a very nice build system.  It's just, unique, so you have to figure it out.
[01:47] <StevenK> ScottK: Much like trying to debug kernel-package.
[01:47] <ScottK> Yes, exactly.
[01:48] <AdamDH> maxb the binutils does not use dh_* commands
[01:48] <ScottK> Although for Hardy I had to switch the dault python version in one of his packages and it was suprisingly easy to do.
[01:50] <maxb> AdamDH: Oh. Indeed it does not. How peculiar
[01:53] <AdamDH> maxb: the idea behind producing these packages was to get better support for the msp430 in linux, I started using this controller for some uni projects after been indtroduced to it at work, so I wanted debs so I could hand them to the sys admins to run them on the linux clusters they did not want to do a source install etc
[01:54] <AdamDH> i actually use a php script to build the packages as well as creating patches
[01:55] <AdamDH> hopefully after I get debs I can look at windows support using minggw
[01:57] <savvas> hm...
[01:57] <savvas> "* Rewriting copyright file in machine-interpretable format."
[01:58] <savvas> Is eebian preparing for a lintian copyright checker in the future? :)
[01:58] <savvas> *debian
[02:00] <savvas> Found this at http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vsftpd/vsftpd_2.0.7-2.diff.gz
[02:01] <savvas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119890/ - looks nice, almost like a debian/control file hehe
[02:04] <AdamDH> savvas thats how I do my copyright files
[02:04] <AdamDH> IMHO its a much nicer formatt
[02:06] <AdamDH> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/119891/ the {} are replaced using sed
[02:09] <ScottK> savvas: You noticed the topic change, right?
[02:10] <savvas> ScottK: yes 10 minutes ago
[02:10] <savvas> nice job AdamDH, now I'm jealous for not knowing about it earlier :P
[02:11] <AdamDH> savvas: more info here
[02:11] <AdamDH> http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat
[02:13] <savvas> thanks!
[02:28] <AdamDH> whats it called when I have one package but I want to create a package say msp430 that pulls in all the required packages?
[02:29] <maxb> a metapackage, but such a metapackage would be unusual and probably unnecessary
[02:29] <maxb> (typo fix)
[02:31] <AdamDH> true as msp430-gcc depends on msp430-binutils and msp430-libc and msp430-gdb and msp430-proxy are optional packages
[02:31] <AdamDH> thanks any way maxb was trying to find some information on them
[04:36] <superm1> ScottK, what does bug 320915 got to do with cdbs?
[04:37] <ScottK> superm1: I need to set --without-arts in kde.mk or a bunch of KDE 3 apps will fail configure now.
[04:38] <superm1> ScottK, ah that would do it.
[04:38] <superm1> but that begs another question.  why are there a bunch of kde3 apps still in the archive?
[04:38] <superm1> i thought things transitioned to kde4?
[04:40] <ScottK> We have a KDE4 desktop, but there's lots of stuff that hasn't transitioned/there is no KDE equivalent for.
[04:40] <ScottK> Our goal for this release (which we may or may not make) is no KDE3 on the CD.
[04:41] <superm1> ah
[04:46] <ScottK> For reference, last I checked gtk1.2 was still in the archive ....
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> If I made an extremely tiny (~20 lines of code) feature addition to Pidgin, is taht something I could get included in Ubuntu directly, or would I have to get it acceptied upstream first?
[05:34] <ScottK> You'd have to ask the Desktop Team.
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> Aha, all righty.
[05:35]  * tonyyarusso hopes I can clean it up enough by tomorrow to try
[05:40] <dholbach> good morning
[05:56] <slytherin> we are still few hours away from FF, right?
[06:06] <ScottK> slytherin: See /topic
[06:07] <slytherin> my mistake
[06:07] <ScottK> No problem.
[06:07] <ScottK> I was suprised slangasek pulled the trigger as early as he did too.
[06:11] <slytherin> I files a sync bug in about an hour ago thinking that FF was still away. And I was planning to do another merge.
[06:12] <ScottK> FFe are generally pretty liberal to start.
[06:12] <ScottK> If you have a good reason for them, perhaps you should ask.
[06:14] <slytherin> I will first check if the merge could really be a sync. And then file the bug accordingly.
[06:36] <persia> So I fell asleep 90 minutes before FF, while the test-builds were still running for three sync requests I was trying to sponsor.  What's the best way to request exceptions for these?
[06:47]  * persia realises everyone who might have an opinion is probably asleep, having been awake at FF.
[06:50] <didrocks> morning o/
[06:50] <Milyardo> Good morning
[06:54] <geser> good morning
[06:54] <dholbach> hi geser
[06:55] <geser> Hi dholbach
[07:19] <Laibsch> FF in effect?  I guess, I'll switch my main system to Jaunty one of these days.
[07:28] <slytherin> Laibsch: you haven't already? :-D
[07:28] <Laibsch> no, of course not
[07:28] <Laibsch> I need a working computer
[07:29] <Laibsch> without too much hassle
[07:30] <Laibsch> Is there a debvscript similar to dget but for locally available files that will copy the dsc, tar and diff to $PWD and optionally unpack the source?
[07:30] <Laibsch> slytherin: actually, I'm still on hardy.  I usually skip one release.
[07:50] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: Do you know if mom or dad stuff is available in xml or csv or some format?
[07:55] <persia> Laibsch, dget file:/// ...
[07:56] <Laibsch> persia: great, thank you!
[08:07]  * Laibsch is looking for feedback on the packaging quality of http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/p/pybugz/pybugz_0.6.11-1.dsc
[08:07] <Laibsch> I particularly am not too sure that two binaries in /usr/bin is the right thing to do
[08:09] <Laibsch> pybugz is just one single python script.  it can be used to interface bugzilla from the command line
[08:46] <\sh> moins
[08:51] <ziroday> Is there a way to see recently uploaded packages/updates?
[08:52] <soren> ziroday: There's a mailing list where every upload is announced.
[08:52] <soren> Search for jaunty-changes.
[08:52] <ziroday> soren: awesome, thanks!
[08:52] <soren> ziroday: Sure. :)
[08:53] <\sh> ziroday: dennis kaarsemaker is also providing some rss feeds...
[08:53] <\sh> ziroday: e.g. http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/UbuntuChanges <- consolidated rss feed for all distro release uploads/changes
[08:54] <ziroday> \sh: ooh that loos neat too, thanks!
[08:54] <soren> \sh: Ah, thanks for the link. I was searching for that a couple of days ago, but my Google-Fu wasn't strong enough.
[08:55] <\sh> soren: hehe..I just remembered that dennis is da man for rss feeds of *-changes
[08:59] <ziroday> hmm any idea why the change to xserver-xorg-video-ati says its version 1:6.11.0-1ubuntu1 but https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-February/004829.html says its 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1?
[09:00] <ziroday> err in http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/UbuntuChanges its says its at 1:6.11.0-1ubuntu1
[09:06] <slytherin> ziroday: trust the mailing list
[09:06] <ziroday> slytherin: yeah, thought as much :)
[09:41] <AndrewGee> Hey. Still looking for a MOTU to review gpxviewer :) It's an application to look at GPS tracks. Would appreciate a review :) Thanks. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gpxviewer
[10:01] <persia> AndrewGee, Be aware that FeatureFreeze for Jaunty has passed, so reviewers may be light on the ground until close to ArchiveOpen for jaunty+1
[11:20] <savvas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libboost-filesystem-dev: Depends: libboost-dev (= 1.34.1-15ubuntu1)
[11:20] <savvas> (jaunty)
[11:21] <Adri2000> stefanlsd: there is dad.dunnewind.net/tomerge-$component, and same for MoM
[11:23] <ScottK> savvas: In main we transitioned to boost1.35 and boost (1.34) and boost1.35 are not coinstallable.  Whatever is still build-dep/depends on boost needs to move to boost1.35.
[11:25] <savvas> oh ok
[11:27] <savvas> ScottK: I shouldn't file a bug about it, right?
[11:29] <directhex> DktrKranz, are you about?
[11:31] <ikonia> directhex: sorry my whole client crashed a minute ago
[11:31] <directhex> ikonia, sounds like you're enjoying pidgin
[11:32] <ikonia> it's normally fine, today it's just gone on a bender
[11:32] <ScottK> savvas: You should figure out which package needs changed.
[11:32] <ScottK> savvas: Then let a developer know about (a bug is a good way).
[11:34] <savvas> ok
[11:39] <ScottK> savvas: Even better, would be to change the build-dep/depends on the package, make a debdiff, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  Then the odds of it getting fixed go up by a couple of orders of magnitude.
[11:41] <directhex> ScottK! you're motu-release aren't you?
[11:41] <ScottK> I am.
[11:41] <savvas> on my way!
[11:42] <directhex> ScottK, if you were me, would you post merge debdiffs for packages related to 330519 (updates for the monodevelop-java and monodevelop-database packages already in the archive) via the same bug number, or open fresh bugs?
[11:42] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: thanks. thats great!
[11:43] <directhex> bah
[11:43] <directhex> BUG 330519
[11:43] <ScottK> directhex: Every time I think I understand how to use Launchpad in this case I get told I'm wrong.  I'm not the best guy to ask.  Myself, I'd use the same bug.
[11:44] <directhex> ScottK, then i think i will too. at least you made me giggle :)
[11:44] <ScottK> directhex: If you've got a limited set of packages that need FFe though, you'll want to ask for that sooner rather than later.
[11:45] <directhex> ScottK, yes, i know. hence why i was talking to DktrKranz and sistpoty about it a couple of days before FF
[11:45] <directhex> ScottK, and i decided against making bad merges last night when exhausted, in favour of missing FF & getting it right
[11:45] <directhex> so i should get that covered later today
[11:45] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[11:46] <directhex> until bug 330440 is closed, it'll suck, though. but from what i hear bug 330440 plays hell with tomboy & f-spot too
[11:48] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: is mom the authoritive source of this file? I mean does dad get it from mom?
[11:52] <Adri2000> stefanlsd: no, both MoM and DaD generate these files on their own. but I'd note that the idea comes from DaD, and that it was later implemented in MoM :)
[11:54] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: nice :)  is anyone considered more current or authoritive?
[11:56] <Adri2000> you mean, any of DaD and MoM?
[11:56] <savvas> ScottK: about boost - all metapackages in boost 1.34 should be moved to 1.35?
[11:57] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: yeah, between DaD and MoM
[11:59] <savvas> ScottK: Nevermind, I'll take a closer look between the two versions
[11:59] <Laney> directhex: sync is acked now \o/
[12:00]  * Laney chief string puller
[12:00] <directhex> Laney, sweet
[12:00] <Adri2000> stefanlsd: MoM is the official tool initially developed and still hosted by Canonical, DaD is community developed. now that MoM is free (it was not at the beginning), DaD features are being merged into MoM and DaD will disappear eventually
[12:00] <directhex> Laney, see, i don't need to become MOTU, not when i have access to several ;)
[12:00] <Laney> heh
[12:00] <Laney> I just asked super seb
[12:00] <directhex> Laney, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[12:01] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: ok. great. thanks for the info.
[12:01] <Laney> :>
[12:02] <Adri2000> stefanlsd: see https://code.launchpad.net/~adri2000/merge-o-matic/dev/+merge/572 about merging the comments feature into MoM. when MoM has comments I think we will stop DaD (as it's the main thing missing currently)
[12:37] <nhandler> dholbach: Are you going to be serving on the MC until we hold an election? Or will we just have 4 people on the council temporarily?
[12:40] <geser> nhandler: only 4 MC members
[12:57] <huats> AndrewGee: Are youa round ?
[13:06] <loic-m> I've got a FFe for xvidcore, sadly my ppa was too slow yesterday to allow me to test yesterday evening, and I didn't want to upload the diff.gz before I was sure it was ok
[13:06] <loic-m> it's at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xvidcore/+bug/306399
[13:06] <loic-m> Can motu-release or MOTU tell me if the FFe is filled ok?
[13:15] <laszlok_work> dholbach: ping
[13:16] <geser> loic-m: is the FFe documented somewhere? didn't see it mentioned in the bug nor in the new changelog
[13:22] <c_korn> need all packages that await a REVU a FFE bug report to be processed?
[13:23] <loic-m> geser: it wasn't supposed to be an FFe, it just took too long yesterday and I had trouble uploading to Launchpad ppa (which also took longer than expected to build, and just kept telling me they were going to be build in 1 min. for like one hour or more..)
[13:24] <geser> c_korn: you need a FFe when you want it finally uploaded (when it has two advocates), practically nearly nobody won't do reviews for packages without a FFe so you need to do it in parallel (find advocates and get a FFe)
[13:26] <geser> loic-m: if you have now a FFe for xvidcore please mention it in the changelog, so it can be easily checked by those who accept the uploads
[13:26] <c_korn> geser: can I just change the needs-packaging bug reports into FFe or do I have to setup special bug reports?
[13:26] <c_korn> (following this wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess)
[13:27] <loic-m> geser: I'll reupload then
[13:28] <geser> c_korn: please turn the needs-packaging bug into a FFe or add the missing info for a FFe and subscribe motu-release. That way all the infomation is in one bug and not scattered across several bugs
[13:29] <ScottK> c_korn: The answer for an FFe on a new package is virtually always no.  There needs to be a really good reason.
[13:29] <geser> loic-m: updating the diff.gz in the bug should be enough
[13:29] <geser> loic-m: no need to do a rebuild on PPA just for an additional line in the changelog
[13:29] <loic-m> Is aline like that in the changelog ok? : * FFe request : New upstream release (LP: #306399);
[13:30] <loic-m> s/aline/a line/
[13:30] <geser> yes
[13:30] <loic-m> geser: thanks a lot
[13:31] <c_korn> ScottK: so it is not worth asking for? (updated package would be scilab)
[13:32] <ScottK> c_korn: Generally not.  Part of the reason is that as we get later in the release cycle the people who are archive admins have other stuff they need to be focused on.
[13:32] <c_korn> ok, then I will wait for 9.10. thanks
[13:33] <ScottK> c_korn: Last cycle I think we said yes to reuploading packages that were rejected out of New after FF and one case where it was part of a development spec for Intrepid.
[13:33] <ScottK> c_korn: Personally, if it's a package that makes Ubuntu work on more hardware (we have some of those I think), I'd be willing to consider that also.
[13:34] <c_korn> well scilab is a numerical math application :P has nothing to do with hardware
[13:35] <loic-m> geser: done
[13:36] <geser> looks good, now you need to wait
[13:39] <ScottK> c_korn: Have you considered trying to get it into Debian?
[13:40] <RainCT> Heya
[13:40] <c_korn> there are already open bug reports for it. jeuclid is in debians new queue which has been frozen due to the new release
[13:40] <RainCT> How was the pre-FF sprint? :)
[13:41] <ScottK> c_korn: OK, well I think it might be worth considering getting it into Debian and then it would auto sync into Ubuntu for the next release.
[13:42] <ScottK> There's a Debian Science team that you could probably work with on it (you may know this already, I realize).
[13:43] <c_korn> I am member of the debian-science team
[13:43] <ScottK> Excellent.
[13:44] <c_korn> I also already ported the patches back to debian that were required for ubuntu
[13:46] <dholbach> laszlok_work: pong
[13:46] <ScottK> Personally I think it's better to maintain packages that you have an interest in in Debian as many more people will benifit.  The now generally if i do a new package it enters through Debian.
[13:47] <laszlok_work> dholbach: do you have time to upload a new jokosher? :) https://launchpad.net/jokosher/0.11/0.11
[13:48] <dholbach> laszlok_work: we're in Feature Freeze now, but I'll take a look and care of it - just not this week - I'll add it to my list, OK?
[13:48] <ScottK> laszlok_work: We're past feature freeze.
[13:48] <laszlok_work> dholbach: k thanks
[13:50] <c_korn> ScottK: ok, then I will keep the package in a PPA and wait for debian to release it. then I will push the sync bug report again. the jaunty milestone can also be removed from the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/scilab/+bug/272264
[13:51] <ScottK> c_korn: I'll take care of it.  Sorry it didn't work out better.
[13:51] <c_korn> k, thanks
[13:52] <ScottK> c_korn: Looking at the bug, this isn't a new package is it?
[13:52] <ScottK> When you were discussing REVU, I thought this was a new package.
[13:53] <c_korn> it is a new release
[13:53] <c_korn> scilab-4 is in the repositories
[13:53] <c_korn> but it is also not a sync because the package is also not in debian. it is just build in a PPA
[13:53] <ScottK> So the intent is to keep that and add scilab-5?
[13:55] <c_korn> it is an update for scilab. was it wrong to upload it to REVU? I thought all packages that do not come from debian or packages are completely new must go there first. sorry if I did it wrong
[13:56] <ScottK> It's not completely new.
[13:56] <ScottK> It's an upgrade of an existing package.
[13:56] <ScottK> Generally we don't use REVU for that.
[13:57] <ScottK> I would suggest talk to mok0 about it and see if he's interested in pursuing a feature freeze exception.
[13:57] <ScottK> For an upgrade to an existing package if it's been well tested and there's a MOTU to look after the package, that's not so hard to get.
[13:59] <c_korn> ok, but scilab-5 still depends on jeuclid also is not in ubuntu,yet. (I requested a REVU)
[13:59] <c_korn> +which
[14:00] <ScottK> Which makes it harder.
[14:01] <ScottK> Personally, if mok0 tells me this is important from a science perspective, I'd be inclined to at least consider it.
[14:03] <savvas> ScottK: boost1.35 and boost1.37 and their binary packages can co-exist installed?
[14:04] <ScottK> savvas: I haven't actually checked 1.35 and 1.37.  boost (1.34) and boost1.35 cannot.
[14:05] <savvas> ok I think I found the culprit, boost1.35 was missing a few "Provides:", testing a ppa build now
[14:09] <AndrewGee> huats_: Hi. You asked if I was around.
[14:09] <huats_> AndrewGee: I did indeed !
[14:09] <huats_> :)
[14:09] <AndrewGee> :)
[14:25] <savvas> arts is for sound right?
[14:26] <broonie> Yes, though I thought that was KDE3 only.
[14:26] <ScottK> savvas: Yes.  We are trying to remove it from the archive right now.
[14:26] <ScottK> As broonie says, it's KDE4 only.
[14:26] <ScottK> 4/3
[14:28] <savvas> hm..
[14:29] <savvas> I'm looking at bug 328932 - logically it shouldn't affect x11 and opengl of libsdl1.2
[14:30] <ScottK> IIRC whoever tried to extract the need for arts from libsdl had some unfortunate side effects.
[14:32] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts
[14:48] <savvas> ScottK: is it normal for boost1.35 to fail in PPA?
[14:48] <savvas> ...failed updating 224 targets... // ...skipped 12 targets... // ...updated 11 targets... // make: *** [build-stamp] Error 1 // dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[14:49] <ScottK> savvas: No.
[14:49] <ScottK> savvas: What PPA?
[14:49] <savvas> the only thing I've changed is debian/control, to add the 'Provides:'
[14:49] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22876525/boost1.35_1.35.0-8ubuntu3_1.35.0-8ubuntu4.diff.gz
[14:49] <savvas> warning! it's a huge log file
[14:49] <savvas> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/ppa
[14:50] <savvas> ScottK: oops sorry, wrong link: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Emedigeek/+archive/ppa/+build/875553/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.boost1.35_1.35.0-8ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:51] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:55] <ScottK> savvas: I'm not sure what to tell you.  I uploaded a boost1.35 fix yesterday and it built fine.
[14:55] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[14:55] <sistpoty|work> damn, looks like FF was announced just too early, so that I'll need a FFe now myself? *G*
[14:55] <savvas> ScottK: ok, I'll try it locally
[15:03] <sistpoty|work> ScottK, DktrKranz: bug #331583
[15:05] <kirkland> geser: Koon: are both of you guys around?
[15:05] <kirkland> geser: Koon: i'm looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oscache/+bug/252318
[15:05] <Koon> yep
[15:06] <slytherin> Does anyone know any particular reason why ubuntu-restricted-extras has direct dependency on libdvdread3 libmp3lame0?
[15:06] <Koon> kirkland: afaict it's a big mess of stuff half in universe half in multiverse
[15:06] <Koon> like with source in multiverse and binaries in universe
[15:07] <Koon> kirkland: since they tend to build-dep on each other, they need to move at the same time.
[15:07] <Koon> kirkland: geser had a look at it too, maybe he can confirm
[15:08] <kirkland> Koon: thanks.
[15:08] <geser> kirkland: yes, I'm around
[15:09] <kirkland> geser: can you confirm that all of (ehcache, libhibernate3-java, libswarmcache-java, oscache) are all ready to move to universe?
[15:09] <kirkland> geser: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oscache/+bug/252318 fyi
[15:10] <geser> kirkland: I've checked the build-dependencies and the runtime dependencies from the affected package and they're either already in main or universe (or one of the affected packages)
[15:10] <kirkland> geser: :-)
[15:10] <Koon> as for "freeness", they are all in debian main, so they should be alright
[15:10] <kirkland> Koon: right-o
[15:12] <geser> kirkland: should I add the debian version where the packages moved from contrib to main to the bug?
[15:12] <kirkland> geser: hey, that would be nice, sure
[15:18] <slytherin> Does anyone know any particular reason why ubuntu-restricted-extras has direct dependency on libdvdread3 and libmp3lame0?
[15:19] <geser> kirkland: added to the bug, anything else missing?
[15:20] <kirkland> geser: nope, i think we're good.
[15:20] <kirkland> geser: i'm processing shortly
[15:21] <geser> kirkland: could you also "fix" bug 323863?
[15:21] <kirkland> geser: sure
[15:26] <loic-m> Which files do I need to look at when provding a diff of the symbols for a new version of a library?
[15:28] <geser> I didn't use it myself yet, but probably the output of check-symbols
[15:29] <geser> it's in ubuntu-dev-tools
[15:32] <loic-m> geser: thanks
[15:34] <slytherin> what is the way to unsubscribe someone else from a bug?
[15:35] <geser> slytherin: you can't (unless it's a team you're part of)
[15:35] <slytherin> there is no way? not even possible by asking a lp admin?
[15:37] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: IIRC, a similar request was made for Intrepid. Which benefit does it provide for Jaunty?
[15:38] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: hm? there wasn't a request for intrepid in regards to faumachine, as it did have some copyright problems back then
[15:38] <geser> slytherin: opening a question against LP might work but I guess you will be faster by asking the person or team to unsubscribe themselves
[15:38] <slytherin> that is what I just did. :-)
[15:39] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: oh, I probably confused with another piece of software then
[15:39] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: well, I had the idea to use faumachine for cd testing purposes... (which I still think would be a good use of it)
[15:40] <DktrKranz> I don't know upstream project at all, could you summarize very briefly about it?
[15:41] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: sure... I'll try to be brief. FAUmachine is a virtual machine like qemu, however it comes with fault injection capabilities and a rich testing framework
[15:41] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: and lots of examples, like installing ubuntu 7.10 (provided that you've got the iso at hand)
[15:42] <DktrKranz> I see, so it could be useful for QA purposes such as stres-testing for SRUs, or similar?
[15:43] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: rather for iso testing... e.g. checking if lvm+raid still works with the newest daily
[15:43] <kirkland> geser: Bug #323863 : done ;-)
[15:43] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: sounds cool :)
[15:44] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: basically anything a user could type/click can be automated with faumachine (w.o. need to mess with the iso at all)
[15:45] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: so it is almost ready for upload, isn't it?
[15:45] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: yes, the problem that stresses me more atm is that I'm trying to dist-upgrade my office laptop to jaunty straight from hardy, which seems to be a very bad idea *g*
[15:46] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: others than that (I do want to do a final test with jaunty), it's ready for upload
[15:47] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: sounds good, I'll comment it on the bug ;)
[15:47] <DktrKranz> and good luck with hardy -> jaunty
[15:47] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: thanks! :)
[15:57] <geser> kirkland: did you also moved the libjdic-java source from multiverse to universe? (or is just LP laggy?)
[15:58] <slytherin> geser: any idea how good is openjdk-6-jre on amd64?
[16:14] <kirkland> geser: hmm
[16:15] <geser> slytherin: I don't use any java apps, so I can't tell
[16:15] <kirkland> geser: seems it's already there
[16:15] <kirkland> geser: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjdic-java/+bug/323863/comments/4
[16:15] <geser> kirkland: just saw it too
[16:16] <geser> so it was just LP a little bit behind
[16:19] <slytherin> I hope all these move to universe activities is not giving any chance to soyuz for eating packages.
[16:20] <loic-m> does anyone has Jaunty installed or in a vm?
[16:20] <loic-m> I'm trying to run : check-symbols xvidcore
[16:20] <loic-m> it works on Intrepid, but fails on Jaunty
[16:20] <loic-m> "package doesn't exit : libxvidcore"
[16:22] <slytherin> loic-m: I have jaunty installed.
[16:22] <loic-m> I think pb is on my side actually
[16:22] <loic-m> works if I don't have my ppa in source.list, doesn't work with it
[16:23] <loic-m> that's realy strange
[16:24] <slytherin> loic-m: I am getting this - No matching binary files found in «/var/cache/pbuilder/result».
[16:25] <lfaraone> Hi, would changing a new feature upstream added to be on by default when a package is installed require a FFE if implemented after FF?
[16:25] <loic-m> Which means I'd need to build it in Jaunty, not just on my ppa?
[16:27] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: maybe you'd just want readelf -s <sharedobjectinpackage> | sort?
[16:28] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: (for all shared objects contained in the package)
[16:29] <loic-m> sistpoty|work: i'm not sure I'd be able to tell which file is a sharedobject
[16:29] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: shared objects live in /usr/lib (or /lib) and end with .so ;)
[16:30] <loic-m> I've been on xvidcore since monday, my brain is going to short off soon
[16:30] <slytherin> lfaraone: imo, yes
[16:31] <loic-m> sistpoty|work: i don't really understand. Do you mean I install the new version, check what files it puts in /usr/lib and run readelf -s on them?
[16:31] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: yes, and the same for the old version... (you don't even need to install it, dpkg -x <deb> somedirectory will extract the contents to somedirectory)
[16:32] <loic-m> sistpoty|work that sound really interesting. Can I just do that from my current Intrepid?
[16:33] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: yes
[16:35] <loic-m> sistpoty|work thanks a lot
[16:35] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: no problem
[16:36] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: eventually, you'll want to modify the output of readelf -s a little bit afterwards... the interesting bits are the symbol names and symbol versions (the other stuff can be ignored)
[16:37] <lfaraone> slytherin: Ok.
[16:37] <lfaraone> slytherin: (currently the application acts oddly with the feature turned off)
[16:38] <lfaraone> slytherin: (and the feature is already in jaunty)
[16:39] <slytherin> lfaraone: then do you need new upstream version for that? Can't you just change package in jaunty to turn on the feature by default?
[16:40] <lfaraone> slytherin: currently the upstream is in a feature freeze as well, in the RC1 stage.
[16:40] <lfaraone> slytherin: so we theoretically can import all of the new upstream versions, since all changes after what's currently in jaunty should be bugfixes.
[17:02] <loic-m> sistpoty|work: do you think I just need to run readelf -s on -dev libraries only, and is doing it for one arch sufficient?
[17:04] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: the actual shared object should be in the lib* package, the -dev package only contains the link
[17:04] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: and yes, one arch is ok
[17:04] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: oh, and as I've just looked at the output of readelf -s myself, please filter out undefined symbols (those marked as UND)
[17:07] <loic-m> sistpoty|work: thanks a lot. Actually it helped me see I need to update the packaging
[17:14] <loic-m>  sistpoty|work http://paste.ubuntu.com/120195/ is that the desired output for attaching to bug 306399 ?
[17:15] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: almost... can you filter out these columns: "35:<PHONE_NUMBER>0114b0  4363"?
[17:16] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: the interesting bits are actually: did a symbol vanish which was there before
[17:16] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: if it just changed in size, but is still there, that's not a problem
[17:16] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: granted, in this case it's easy enough to spot in that output as well that no symbol disappeared ;)
[17:21] <loic-m> sistpoty|work: I'll do that
[17:21] <sistpoty|work> loic-m: thanks!
[17:21] <stefanlsd> Does anyone know where the colors for MoM are documented?  http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html     - so the red, or dark / light green?
[17:22] <sistpoty|work> stefanlsd: not too sure, but it could be Priority from debian/control
[17:23] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: just to improve my knowledge, is there something I should read about library management/symbol handling?
[17:23] <stefanlsd> sistpoty|work: aah. yeah. i think you're right. will check
[17:24]  * Laney hunts for motu-sru
[17:24] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: the library packaging guide is always a good read... also iirc there's an annotated log from the library packaging session in the wiki (but I forgot where)
[17:26] <DktrKranz> sistpoty|work: ELF internals are a good candidate too?
[17:26] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: haven't read that myself yet, so no idea
[17:26] <sistpoty|work> DktrKranz: but it sounds interesting :)
[17:26] <DktrKranz> heh
[17:29] <stefanlsd> sistpoty|work: yeah, in 0-5.  [ "unknown", "required", "important", "standard", "optional","extra" ]
[17:47] <sistpoty|work> ScottK, iulian: any opinions on bug #331583? (I'm about to leave the office, and would like to upload it once I'm home, so please, please, please *g*)
[17:52] <directhex> hello sistpoty|work. i'm gonna prepare merges for the new versions of the 2 monodevelop plugins currently in the archive, and attach to that MD2 bug. okay?
[17:53] <iulian> sistpoty|work: Accepted.
[17:57] <sistpoty|work> iulian: thanks a lot!
[17:57] <sistpoty|work> directhex: sure thing
[17:58] <iulian> No problem, I'd like to see that in Jaunty.
[17:58] <sistpoty|work> :)
[18:00]  * sistpoty|work heads home now
[18:00] <sistpoty|work> cya
[18:27] <slytherin> can any of the motu release team members take a look at bug 331392?
[18:29] <slytherin> don't bother. someone synced it already. :-)
[18:37] <geser> slytherin: on a quick look, it looks like a bugfix release, so you don't need a FFe
[18:38] <slytherin> geser: better safe than sorry. :-) anyway it was just synced when I added last comment.
[18:39] <slytherin> got to go. sleepy now.
[19:09] <savvas> hm.. mplayer is using svn now, the stable releases are marked outdated
[19:12] <hyperair> asac: bug #248705 -- you asked me to ping you if nothing happened after two weeks
[19:32] <Laibsch> Does "pbuilder-dist sid create" work successfully for anyone? http://rafb.net/p/F1VUwD66.html
[19:43] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:44] <ScottK> Laibsch: IIRC the one on Hardy is broken.  Try hardy-backports for a newer one.
[19:45] <Laibsch> ScottK: Hehe, you're assuming now.
[19:45] <Laibsch> Although not without reason
[19:45] <Laibsch> But I was trying the backports version
[19:45] <ScottK> Making an educated guess.
[19:45] <ScottK> OK, then I don't know.
[19:46] <Laibsch> I'm wondering if maybe there's something cached from a previous run
[19:46] <ScottK> The one I used that worked was the intrepid one.  The hardy-backports one is newer, so it may have been rebroken.
[19:46] <ScottK> Check your .pbuilderrc
[19:46] <Laibsch> Thanks for trying
[19:48]  * Laibsch has no .pbuilderrc
[19:49] <geser> what about /etc/pbuilderrc?
[19:49] <ScottK> directhex: If a package needs to have itself installed to build the source, I'd consider that a bug.
[19:49] <geser> as I wonder why it tries to access PPAs
[19:50] <directhex> ScottK, i'm inclined to agree. i want to better understand WHY it's the way it is
[19:50] <directhex> ScottK, it would be much easier to do it if i could pbuilder it, which means MD 1.9.2 would need to be in universe ;)
[19:51] <ScottK> directhex: I'm certainly not going to ack something that does that without a lot of convincing there is no other way.  Consider how that affects bootstrapping a new arch.
[19:51] <ScottK> directhex: Use pbuilder login and play with it in an open chroot.
[19:51] <geser> directhex: what about adding your PPA to your pbuilder?
[19:51] <directhex> ScottK, it's not a circular dep - it's a plugin needing the main app
[19:52] <ScottK> Ah.
[19:52] <ScottK> I misread your comment then.
[19:52] <directhex> ScottK, and it's arch:all too, so no bootstrap question ;)
[19:52] <ScottK> We don't do binary uploads in Ubuntu.
[19:52] <directhex> ScottK, but i'd like to remove the issue if i can, since it's a PITA to work on
[19:52] <ScottK> OK.
[19:54] <directhex> ScottK, my DSL is misbehaving today, doesn't help
[20:01] <directhex> oh... my... ***
[20:01] <directhex> ScottK, you want to hear it?
[20:01] <ScottK> OK
[20:01] <directhex> http://paste.debian.net/28773/
[20:03] <savvas> isn't that bash scripting? debian/rules accept bash?
[20:04] <directhex> savvas, debian/rules is a makefile. it understands gnu make stuffs
[20:05] <RAOF> Hurray for single-buttocked build-systems.
[20:06] <savvas> directhex: ok, but I mean that, as far as I know, this command is bash, not sh-compatible: [ ! -f Makefile ] || /usr/bin/make clean
[20:06] <savvas> I'm probably wrong though :P
[20:06] <RAOF> savvas: Each tab-indented line of a makefile is run in a shell.
[20:07] <geser> savvas: which part of the line should be not sh?
[20:08] <directhex> ScottK, so, erm... ideas? now i see why meebey swears so much about MD packaging
[20:09] <savvas> geser: nothing, my bad - I think it was "[[ ... ]]" that sh couldn't use
[20:09]  * savvas tries
[20:11] <directhex> my word, a Wulfie
[20:11] <Lucas_Smithen> directhex: Normally a Wulfie. From 3-5 on Thursdays a Lucas_Smithen
[20:13] <directhex> which one works for Transgaming?
[20:13] <Lucas_Smithen> both
[20:13] <Lucas_Smithen> :)
[20:15] <directhex> hm, 4 years since we last spoke. how time flies
[20:16] <Lucas_Smithen> has it really been that long?
[20:16] <Lucas_Smithen> wow
[20:16] <Lucas_Smithen> so how have you been?
[20:16] <Laibsch> http://rafb.net/p/KzufcV72.html is my /etc/pbuilderrc, geser, please excuse the belated response
[20:16] <Laibsch> I guess that answers the PPA question
[20:16] <directhex> busy
[20:16] <Laibsch> Anything incorrectly set?
[20:18] <Lucas_Smithen> i hear that
[20:20] <geser> Laibsch: try setting COMPONENTS="main" as Debian doesn't have the other components and try again
[20:21] <savvas> hm.. boost1.35 fails to build in PPA: https://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/ppa/+build/875552/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.boost1.35_1.35.0-8ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:21] <savvas> I've built it successfully on my machine, but not in PPA
[20:22] <ScottK> directhex: I have tried very hard and so far succeeded in avoiding knowing how this mono stuff works.
[20:23] <directhex> ScottK, it's makefile-fu, not mono-fu
[20:23] <directhex> ScottK, i have a nasty hack. i want to discuss it with meebey
[20:23] <ScottK> Ok.
[20:26] <geser> savvas: your local build was also with python3 installed?
[20:27] <savvas> hm..
[20:27] <savvas> geser: I don't think so, let me check
[20:28] <geser> savvas: the build looks for python 2.4 headers (see the gcc call before the the python errors) but only python2.{5,6}-dev is installed
[20:29] <ScottK> I wonder if this is caused by all the python uploads yesterday and today.
[20:29] <ScottK> I uploaded a revised boost1.35 yesterday morning to the archive and it worked out fine.
[20:30] <geser> ScottK: you seem to be right, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults (see the 2.5.4-0ubuntu1 upload)
[20:30] <savvas> ScottK, geser: I'll try and rebuild it now that I've upgraded
[20:31] <savvas> I mean locally
[20:31] <geser> savvas: I guess you need to patch it to build against python 2.5 instead of python2.4
[20:32] <savvas> geser: you're a life-saver :)
[20:32] <savvas> I'll try it in a couple of minutes, but it takes a while to build
[20:41] <ScottK> I just tested and libboost1.35-dev is still installable, so this isn't a crisis.
[20:41] <ScottK> It's not going to break any other builds.
[20:46] <geser> but should be fixed for jaunty anyway
[20:50] <fransman> savvas: question ... are you moving well with flumotion ?
[20:52] <davromaniak> I would like to know if anybody here knows python-apt
[20:53] <ajmitch> davromaniak: it depends on what you need to do with it
[20:53]  * ajmitch hasn't used it for awhile, but was able to use it to install some packages
[20:54] <savvas> fransman: unfortunately, no reply from the maintainer yet about it - feel free to take over the one I've created if you wish :)
[20:55] <davromaniak> ajmitch: I would like to do a thing pretty simple
[20:55] <davromaniak> a basic text export of upgradable packages
[20:57] <davromaniak> I know "apt-get upgrade -s | grep "^Inst" | awk {'print $2'}" does the trick, but I searching an other way to do it
[20:57]  * ajmitch would guess that there's something in apt.cache that would give you that info
[20:58] <davromaniak> ok
[21:01] <ajmitch> cache = apt.Cache()
[21:01] <ajmitch> you can iterate over cache as a dictionary of packages
[21:02] <davromaniak> ok
[21:04] <ajmitch> davromaniak: ah, each package in that dict has an isUpgradable property
[21:04] <davromaniak> ok
[21:21] <Laibsch> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Using%20packages%20from%20other%20distributions is great, but it kind of skips over how to actually get that .changes file.  I opened question 51583 for that.
[21:22] <Laibsch> Maybe you want to include a link to http://oss.leggewie.org/ppa-upload-hardy which does make all this a one-line operation.
[21:22] <Laibsch> cprov: I see you are the one to last edit above page, maybe you want to update it again?
[21:23] <ScottK> Laibsch: We have nothing to do with Launchpad here.  We just use it.  Try #launchpad.
[21:23] <Laibsch> ScottK: Understood and I thought which channel would be best for this
[21:24] <Laibsch> I think a large amount of the users of PPA would hang around here
[21:25] <ScottK> It's really ot
[21:29] <Laibsch> Then let's not make it worse by discussing it.  If cprov had felt motivated to make the change if I had contacted him in #launchpad, but doesn't feel an inclination to do it because I did it here, well foobar.  I'm not gonna run around offering something that makes other ppl's life easier.
[21:30] <Laibsch> OT warning duely noted
[21:38] <directhex> ScottK, i have a new debdiff which removes the need for the package deps installed before debuild works
[21:51] <ScottK> directhex: Good.  I don't have time to look at it for sponsoring just now though.
[22:00] <savvas> A lot of game packages are affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328932
[22:04] <directhex> DktrKranz, pang! monodevelop's ready for a proper look from those sexy motu-release people now
[22:05] <ScottK> superm1: Is 328932 a consequence of the upload you sponsored that got rid of arts?   ^^^
[22:19] <Laibsch> geser: It was indeed the COMPONENTS setting.  Thanks.
[22:25] <Laibsch> bug 331806
[22:26] <savvas> woohoo! lpia boost1.35 built successfully: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22888973/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.boost1.35_1.35.0-8ubuntu4~ppajaunty1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[22:27] <DktrKranz> directhex, am I sexy? brrrr :)
[22:52] <directhex> DktrKranz, had a chance to try it out from my ppa yet? i haven't uploaded the plugins there though
[22:53] <directhex> did i mention it's awesome? :p
[22:53] <DktrKranz> directhex, not yet, I'll probably have some tomorrow night
[22:56] <directhex> DktrKranz, do you want me to file any FFe request paperwork beyond what i have?
[23:00] <RAOF> Time to merge evo# and file some FFe paperwork.
[23:03] <DktrKranz> directhex, a list of changes (even if huge!) is welcome
[23:05] <savvas> what's FFe?
[23:06] <savvas> I've seen it so many times these last 2-3 days
[23:06] <directhex> the upstream changelog you mean?
[23:07] <porthose> savvas: Feature Freeze Exception
[23:07] <Hobbsee> !ff | savvas
[23:07] <Hobbsee> bah
[23:07] <directhex> poor Hobbsee
[23:07] <DktrKranz> directhex, yep
[23:07] <Hobbsee> i'm sure that used to sya feature freeze
[23:09] <directhex> !cake | Hobbsee
[23:09] <directhex> poor ubottu
[23:09] <directhex> a life without cake :(
[23:09] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[23:09] <RAOF> Oh, I'm lying.  Actually, we want to sync evo#, and file FFe paperwork.
[23:10] <directhex> RAOF, no gnome# dep?
[23:10] <directhex> or transitioned in debian?
[23:11] <RAOF> Bah.  That's right.
[23:11] <RAOF> No, has a gonme# dep.
[23:11] <RAOF> Acursed thing.
[23:12] <RAOF> Didn't notice that on the run-through.
[23:14] <directhex> RAOF, yay gnome# :)
[23:19] <directhex> DktrKranz, integrated licensecheck! http://monodevelop.com/Image:CapturaCodeMetrics.png
[23:20] <DktrKranz> :D
[23:30] <directhex> DktrKranz, i've made a changelog (upstream haven't made one from 1.0->2.0 yet, only 1.0->1.9.0,1.9.0->1.9.1,1.9.1->1.9.2). i don't think it's 100% accurate though
[23:41] <savvas> ScottK: Here's the patch for python 2.5 and 2.6 for boost1.35: http://paste.ubuntu.com/120352/ - In the meantime, I need figure out a way to fix "libboost-filesystem-dev: Depends: libboost-dev (= 1.34.1-15ubuntu1)" (Provides didn't do the trick)


[07:56] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I think it's time for a UDT upload
[07:59] <Laney> ya
[08:00]  * tumbleweed just does it
[09:34] <jtaylor> what time is it in copenhagen?
[09:34] <micahg> jtaylor: UTC+1
[09:34] <jtaylor> thx
[09:35] <jtaylor> my stupid netbook hasnT realized that its winter time yet ._.
[09:35] <micahg> jtaylor: it's not in the US
[09:35] <jtaylor> anyone know how I can force a resync of the time?
[09:36] <micahg> jtaylor: for where?
[09:36] <jtaylor> probably a login proxy confused it
[09:36] <micahg> jtaylor: when I switched my laptop to copenhagen time it DTRT
[11:04] <tumbleweed> bdrung: got a debian release exception for distro-info-data
[19:46] <jtaylor> concerning the backports b-d on backports
[19:47] <jtaylor> does that only affect dependencies which are not in the normal series
[19:48] <jtaylor> (the bug that makes that not work)
[19:49] <jtaylor> e.g. I want to backport ipython, it needs simplegeneric from quantal, but its not essential
[19:49] <jtaylor> if I backport simplegeneric to precise, will that block me from backporting ipython?
[20:30] <jtaylor> hm the dependency is not versioned so it should work
[23:45] <bkerensa> micahg: is https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa coming back still?
[23:49] <micahg> bkerensa: yes, had a chat with someone this evening about it


[02:24] <elopio> veebers: (and alesage if still around): I have a problem selecting a subset of the tests. If we want to return an error when the test doesn't exist, then the host needs to have all the test packages installed too.
[02:24] <elopio> so far, only the phone needed all the test packages.
[02:24] <elopio> do you see that as an issue?
[02:25] <veebers> elopio: hmm, that's a good point (I've come across something similar just recently where there was code in webbrowser that isn't on utopic (but is on vivid)
[02:26] <veebers> elopio: so if we want the test on the host machine too we'll have to expect that the user is running vivid.
[02:26] <elopio> oh, right, that's an additional problem. If the host is in a different distro, the check is worthless.
[02:37] <elopio> veebers: alesage: I'm now inclined to let adt-run fail when we specify non-existing tests, instead of catching the error earlier.
[02:37] <veebers> elopio: yeah, that sounds good to me. It's a good start at least. If we get user feed back we can go from there
[02:38] <veebers> (Do the min. to get a card done and iterate with the users for further enhancements)
[02:39] <elopio> veebers: do you see any problem if we put the testsuite_list in the ubuntu_sanity_tests folder?
[02:39] <veebers> elopio: where is it at the moment?
[02:40]  * veebers looks
[02:42] <veebers> elopio: I can't think of a better place off the top of my head
[02:43] <elopio> veebers: do you mean, you can't think of a better place than debian/test/ ?
[02:44] <veebers> elopio: sorry, I can't think of a better place than what you've suggested
[02:44] <elopio> ack.
[02:44] <veebers> this is for the work of separating out the code from d/t/ right? So it'll need to be in a discoverable place
[02:45] <elopio> veebers: yeah, I want to put it under test to then be able to test the subset story.
[02:45] <veebers> ack
[02:45] <veebers> +1
[02:45] <elopio> veebers: I'm thinking ubuntu_sanity_tests/external_tests/testsuite_list
[02:45] <elopio> with updates in the README, of course.
[03:03] <alesage> elopio, something funky with my phablet-network on the serial branch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9947891/
[03:04] <veebers> alesage: doc looks good, have left notes.
[03:04] <alesage> weird actually I'm getting that same return for the success case above :/
[03:04] <alesage> veebers, thx
[03:05] <veebers> alesage: hey, that looks like the error that I've had in the past (as per my comments re: flashing and starting tests)
[03:05] <elopio> alesage: I have no idea what that error code means.
[03:05] <alesage> elopio, please tell me all the answers
[03:05] <elopio> alesage: do you have the serial on the config, or not?
[03:06] <alesage> elopio I started fresh and no I didn't give the serial
[03:06] <alesage> elopio, but I think I just demonstrated that phablet-network itself does give that code for me raw
[03:07] <veebers> alesage: when you say fresh, did you delete your config file?
[03:14] <elopio> alesage: yeah, no errors here.
[03:14] <elopio> alesage: you might want to try jibel's alternative with nmcli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sanity-tests/+bug/1408720/comments/2
[03:14] <elopio> that's something we need to do anyway, I think.
[03:23] <alesage> elopio I'm being selfish with reviews ATM :( , but also need to eat, will get a couple in
[03:24] <elopio> alesage: you should also rest. I'm here only because I slept all evening :D
[03:25] <alesage> elopio, maybe I can *reserve* either the reviews or the "subset of tests" for tomw, subset would enable some pairing
[03:26] <alesage> elopio, or you're already knee-deep on that one, eh?
[03:26] <elopio> alesage: I've splitted it in two, and took the smaller task first.
[03:26] <elopio> getting the existing code into test.
[03:26] <elopio> alesage: main thing are reviews. Then, whatever is on top.
[03:27] <alesage> elopio, I'll focus on reviews and getting everything running AM
[03:28] <elopio> ok.
[03:29] <veebers> note, I added a new card in the review column re: timeout
[03:29] <alesage> maybe we can leave those in the lane, e.g. if brendand also reviews
[03:30] <veebers> well, they do need to acks to merge :-)
[03:47] <elopio> veebers: brought back your timeouts branch. It is one line, but I still think it should be tested, and we now have the helpers to make it quickly.
[03:47] <veebers> elopio: ah good point. I'll look into that shortly
[03:49] <veebers> elopio: I see that you voted for plivo, what's the main reason for that? (e.g. I see that the python lib is not python3
[03:49] <veebers> )
[03:50] <elopio> veebers: main reason, it's free.
[03:50] <elopio> the lib is small, so quickly we can make it py3. At a first glance, I didn't see any big changes required for that.
[03:50] <veebers> elopio: no it's not, the first line says it'll cost money
[03:51] <veebers> hmm, ok fair enough as long as they take that contribution back, It would suck to have to distro patch that just for our own use
[03:51] <elopio> veebers: free as in freedom. We can install our own plivo server, and it won't cost money. Well, only the cost of the call.
[03:52] <elopio> veebers: I doubt they won't accept our contribution. Since I signed in, they send me constant emails, it seems it's a company that's alive.
[03:52] <veebers> elopio: I may have missed something, why would we install our own server? We only need a webservice (for either provider) right? They have a REST api that we hit
[03:52] <elopio> but, we have to check, you are right.
[03:53] <veebers> elopio: I'm not disagreeing with you, just wanting to know the reasons and talk through them
[03:53] <elopio> veebers: I'm not saying that we need our own server. I'm saying that we can have it.
[03:53] <veebers> ack
[03:53] <elopio> for security reasons, cost reasons, or anything. But for me, just the open source code makes me feel better.
[14:58] <brendand> elopio, hey
[14:58] <elopio> brendand: hello!
[14:59] <brendand> elopio, let's try to land as much as possible today!
[14:59] <elopio> brendand: yes indeed. Are you in need or a review?
[14:59] <brendand> elopio, top approve: https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-sanity-tests/fix_wizard_test/+merge/247995
[15:00] <elopio> brendand: top approved.
[15:00] <brendand> elopio, review: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/specific_config/+merge/247841
[15:01] <elopio> brendand: yes, the same test as autopilot, I like it. Thanks.
[15:01] <brendand> elopio, oh really, what a coincidence ;)
[15:02] <elopio> brendand: approving. alesage: can you please give the second review to the specific config branch? ^
[15:04] <elopio> brendand: and one thing for discussion. I prefer to keep the imports at the module level, not the object level.
[15:04] <elopio> like import argparse, and then use it like argparse.ArgumentParser(...)
[15:04] <elopio> because when you read the code, it's easier to tell which module is it that you are calling. In this example, it's obvious that ArgumentParser comes from argparse, but there are other symbols harder to link to a module.
[15:04] <elopio> brendand: do you have any preference there?
[15:08] <brendand> elopio, i think if the only symbols you're using are obvious then it's worth importing that way since it makes the code look cleaner
[15:09] <brendand> elopio, we couldn't use the other symbols if we don't import them anyway
[15:09] <elopio> brendand: I find it cleaner if it is consistent. But that's a fair point.
[15:10] <brendand> elopio, why use 'from' at all then?
[15:10] <elopio> balloons: to only use one level of modules.
[15:11] <elopio> from ubuntu_sanity_tests import tests, instead of import ubuntu_sanity_tests.tests.
[15:11] <elopio> s/balloons/brendand
[15:11] <brendand> true
[15:11] <elopio> alesage: you left a needs fixing here: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/optional_options/+merge/247881
[15:12] <elopio> can you please check if you are happy with it now?
[15:13] <elopio> brendand: now lets talk about the coverage in https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/no_serial/+merge/247940
[15:13] <elopio> we are testing the same thing as before, the difference is that now we are not putting mocks everywhere.
[15:13] <elopio> so, I wouldn't call it a coverage drop. I would call it an increase in accuracy :)
[15:14] <elopio> to get everything under test in this module, we have the big problem that it needs subprocess execution. So we need to figure out how to do it properly.
[15:14] <brendand> elopio, run_sanity_tests is not covered at all now
[15:15] <elopio> brendand: before, it was run, but all the things that were hard were patched.
[15:15] <elopio> so it was the same as not running it.
[15:15] <elopio> this branch is about serial, so the tests only check that the serial was passed or not.
[15:16] <elopio> we need to put the other things into a test, but that's a different card. A harder one.
[15:16] <brendand> elopio, sounds like you're saying code that is trivial is not worth testing?
[15:17] <elopio> brendand: not at all. This run_sanity_tests method is not trivial at all.
[15:17] <elopio> and it needs to be tested.
[15:17] <elopio> what I'm saying is: it was untested before, this serial card was not about putting it under test.
[15:18] <brendand> elopio, it was tested before. maybe not thoroughly, but it was
[15:18] <elopio> we need a card to increase the coverage of command_line execution, and I have no idea how to do it properly. Needs discussion.
[15:18] <brendand> elopio, see: http://people.canonical.com/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-sanity-tests/trunk/htmlcov/ubuntu_sanity_tests_command_line.html
[15:20] <elopio> brendand: no, it was run, but not tested. You reviewed the tests in the original serial branch.
[15:21] <elopio> what I did there was to call run_sanity_tests, but patch the IO, patch the report generation, patch popen, and only assert that -s was passed.
[15:21] <elopio> if you look at the new tests, we are testing the same. And now it's clear that run_sanity_tests needs tests.
[15:26] <brendand> elopio, did you remove test_main_must_setup_and_run_with_serial because it would fail with the new code?
[15:27] <elopio> brendand: no. Look at rev 59: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/no_serial/revision/59
[15:28] <elopio> I first made the new code pass with the old style of tests.
[15:28] <elopio> then I followed vila's suggestion to split the commands into build and run, and test only the build, which removes the need of mocks leaving us with the same tests.
[15:29] <elopio> brendand: I can revert to rev 59, which will give us a high but deceiving coverage number, and ugly tests.
[15:30] <brendand> elopio, what i'm asking is does anything stop you from reinstating test_main_must_setup_and_run_with_serial
[15:31] <elopio> brendand: no, I can revert to rev 59.
[15:32] <brendand> elopio, but if you revert won't you lose other tests you added/changed?
[15:32] <saqman2060> I was testing the autoresize feature and was unable to continue the install. The "install" button was grayed out. I was able to resize the partition but not finish the install. I am testing daily version " 20150129" using virtualbox 4.3.20.
[15:32] <brendand> elopio, i think all the new tests you added are good and valuable
[15:33] <elopio> brendand: I would lose the cleanups I did on the tests. I didn't added new tests. I split them and removed the mocks, except the IO ooooooooone.
[15:33] <elopio> one
[15:34] <brendand> elopio, are you looking at this diff: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/no_serial/+merge/247940
[15:34] <brendand> ?
[15:34] <alesage> elopio I'll get on those reviews
[15:35] <brendand> elopio, the diff on test_command_line shows test_main_.. being removed and six new tests added
[15:35] <brendand> elopio, ah you split them
[15:35] <brendand> ok
[15:35] <elopio> brendand: I am. Compare the tests in rev 59 with the tests in rev 65.
[15:36] <elopio> alesage: thanks.
[15:38] <brendand> elopio, anyway next move is yours, reply on the MP
[15:40] <elopio> brendand: I'd say, next move: add a card to put run_sanity_tests under test. But the only thing that comes to mind is to patch Popen and check the order of popen calls.
[15:40] <elopio> which is a little better than what we had before, but not good enough.
[15:41] <elopio> brendand: do you want me to do it in order to get this branch landed? Or we put it in the backlog and decide later when to do it?
[15:42] <brendand> elopio, if you could reinstate the test (in addition to the ones you added), then put a card or a bug to do the tests 'right', if that will require a significant amount of time
[15:45] <elopio> IMO, that makes no sense. Between 59 and 66 I added no tests, so that would be testing the same thing twice, once ugly and once nice. I will just make a new branch to raise the coverage.
[15:47] <elopio> brendand: btw, I think you moved the wrong card back to doing.
[15:47] <elopio> unless I'm missing something. The one you moved has your +1.
[15:54] <brendand> elopio, ok reply in the comment what you think to do next
[15:54] <brendand> elopio, fixed the board.thanks
[15:59] <brendand> elopio, and get some feedback from alesage
[16:06] <elopio> brendand: alesage: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/run_main_tests_tests/+merge/248135
[16:07] <elopio> that excercises run_main_tests just as how it did the serial branch, but has a check that makes a little sense.
[16:26] <brendand> elopio, we don't have sudo inside the tests themselves?
[16:29] <alesage> elopio concerning this last MP, and I was studying this a bit yesterday, this feels a bit tortured to me, why don't we just fake those calls in run_sanity_tests and then test those functions separately?
[16:29] <elopio> brendand: we can, but it makes some things harder.
[16:29] <elopio> we can tell in debian/tests that we require root access.
[16:29] <brendand> elopio, not having it also makes some things harder :)
[16:29] <alesage> the patented "fails only in one place" method as Mr. Richards is always saying
[16:30] <elopio> then we will be running with the root user, and have to switch to phablet at some point.
[16:30] <alesage> also I'm not sure I understand why __enter__ is executed here instead of __init__
[16:30] <elopio> alesage: Popen is called from with, thus we need to patch enter.
[16:31] <elopio> I was trying to split things and test them separately, but brendand requested to bring back the run_tests test
[16:31] <alesage> ok it's brendand's fault
[16:32] <elopio> no, it's mine for making the ugly test to begin with.
[16:32] <knome> it has to be balloons' fault
[16:32]  * knome runs
[16:33]  * balloons desperately tries to catch a fleeing knome, but he's gone
[16:35] <alesage> elopio, I see that it works but I want to refactor it :) , can I approve and then do so in a separate MP?
[16:36] <elopio> alesage: the branch is shared. You can just make your changes and push to it.
[16:37] <elopio> just bring the card back to doing, and assign it to yourself.
[16:37]  * alesage grabs a bunch of strings from balloons floating away
[16:37] <elopio> alesage: but, please do the missing reviews first. We are only three today, so we need your reviews before brendan leaves.
[16:37] <alesage> elopio, ok thanks
[16:37] <alesage> elopio, ok shall do
[16:38]  * elopio looks at the browser branches.
[16:40] <brendand> alesage, a top approve for https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/specific_config/+merge/247841 pretty please
[16:42] <alesage> I like that everyone needs my approval
[16:51] <alesage> brendand, elopio I have a lunch invite at our standup time, maybe we could meet quickly earlier to let brendand go earlier?
[16:51] <brendand> elopio, i could write a helper which switches to root and another which switches back to phablet
[16:51] <brendand> alesage, wouldn't mind meeting something in the next 30 minutes
[16:52] <brendand> alesage, so i can EOD :)
[16:52] <elopio> alesage: good for me.
[16:52] <brendand> elopio, top of the hour?
[16:52] <elopio> brendand: sounds ok to me. We tried it some time ago, and it was easier to put the root commands in the setup. But if you make it work, seems the same to me.
[16:53] <alesage> brendand, top o' the hour to you :)
[16:53] <elopio> brendand: alesage: in 7 minutes. I'll prepare the document.
[16:54] <brendand> alesage, i had literally no idea you'd say that...
[16:54] <alesage> brendand, I'm so unpredictable!
[16:54] <alesage> also it's Friday
[17:00] <elopio> brendand: meeting time.
[17:19] <brendand> alesage, i'm not leaving until that mp is approved :)
[17:19] <alesage> going to be a loooong night
[17:19] <elopio> alesage: please top-approve anything that you see as ready, and move the cards. I'm going to take a little break.
[17:20] <alesage> elopio, ok
[17:20] <alesage> brendand, need a push there
[17:24] <alesage> brendand, poke
[17:25] <brendand> alesage, oh might have got stuck, been having problems with that today
[17:25] <brendand> alesage, repoke
[17:25] <alesage> brendand, k
[17:25] <brendand> indeed, bzr push was hanging
[17:25] <brendand> grrr
[17:26] <alesage> brendand, took the liberty of moving that card thx
[17:30] <brendand> alesage, elopio - thanks and good night!
[17:30] <brendand> email me if anything urgent
[17:31] <elopio> enjoy the weekend brendand.
[17:39] <cgoldberg> hola 0/
[17:40] <balloons> cgoldberg, hola :-)
[17:40] <elopio> cgoldberg: o/
[17:42] <cgoldberg> i'm itching for an afternoon self-project.  I might pave my desktop and start running Vivid
[17:42] <cgoldberg> im still on Trusty
[17:44] <balloons> cgoldberg, oi, that's a longer term decision, but running -devel is fun
[18:02] <alesage> cgoldberg, big snows over there?
[18:03] <cgoldberg> alesage, yea.. like 2+ feet the other night... but Boston cleared it out pretty quick.. supposed to get more soon too
[19:09] <elopio> thanks for the reviews alesage. Now we are only two, so we can't land anything else. But the queues are actually pretty decent.
[19:10] <alesage> elopio, manually testing this no_serial one and then want to pick over the main testing one a bit
[19:11] <elopio> alesage: ok. I already top approved that one as it had +2. But it's always nice to have more reviews.
[19:11] <elopio> if you find something, we'll do it in a new branch.
[19:12] <alesage> elopio, ok, sure it's fine, although this quickie needs to get in on your serial branch fwiw http://paste.ubuntu.com/9961484/
[19:13] <elopio> alesage: oh, good catch. Let me see if I can stop jenkins.
[19:14] <elopio> just in time.
[19:14] <alesage> elopio, I have to lunch, will do the rest upon return
[19:15] <elopio> now, how did it got in there? I suppose I borked one of the merges.
[19:15] <alesage> elopio, no brendand's branch introduced it
[19:15] <alesage> don't know what else it affects
[19:15] <alesage> (i.e. into what else it's merged)
[19:16] <elopio> alesage: ah, I see. I didn't run that one.
[19:16] <elopio> ok, so trunk is broken. I'll make a new branch.
[19:16] <alesage> elopio, have to assume Brendan didn't either :)
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:44] <balloons> Letozaf_, heelo
[19:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, I fixed pyflakes and pep8 on yesterdays mp
[19:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, by the way how's your wrist ?
[19:48] <elopio> we broke trunk on friday :D
[19:48] <elopio> there's a lesson there, somewhere.
[19:48] <knome> wrist? what have you done, balloons...
[19:49] <balloons> knome, I was in a soft cast for my wrist for a couple weeks at the beginning of the month
[19:49] <balloons> doing great now Letozaf_ thanks for asking
[19:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, great :)
[19:49] <davmor2> elopio: is it don't release on FRIDAYS EVA!!!!!
[19:49] <knome> aha... because? :)
[19:49] <Letozaf_> hello knome  :)
[19:49] <elopio> davmor2: we release on thursdays, every two weeks. So the problem has not been released.
[19:50] <knome> hullo Letozaf_
[19:50] <Letozaf_> :)
[19:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, approved
[19:51] <knome> did you know "hullo" was the word stephen fry and hugh laurie used when they met each other the first time?
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks
[20:12] <Letozaf_> knome, hullo sounds strange to me, I prefer hello :P
[20:13] <knome> heh
[20:13] <knome> Letozaf_, how does "hyvää päivää" sound to you then? ;)
[20:14] <elfy> rude ...
[20:14] <knome> elfy, hah :)
[20:15] <elfy> is what I'd say :p
[20:15] <elfy> if asked
[20:15] <Letozaf_> knome, ah man don't even know how to pronounce it
[20:15] <knome> one of the few non-rude things you can say in finnish
[20:15] <knome> :P
[20:15] <Letozaf_> knome, elfy what does it mean?
[20:15] <elfy> Letozaf_: I think that the h,y,v,p's and a's are all silent :)
[20:15] <knome> Letozaf_, http://www.forvo.com/word/hyv%C3%A4%C3%A4_p%C3%A4iv%C3%A4%C3%A4!/
[20:16] <elfy> Letozaf_: absolutely no idea - all dutch to me :)
[20:16] <knome> dutch.. ugh :D
[20:16] <Letozaf_> knome, OMG weired :P
[20:16] <knome> dutch is a weird language
[20:16] <elfy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me
[20:17] <Letozaf_> elfy, :) same for me
[20:17] <elfy> :)
[20:18] <knome> Letozaf_, there you go: http://www.forvo.com/word/laadunvarmistus/#fi
[20:18] <Letozaf_> knome, :S
[20:25] <knome> what :P
[20:27] <Letozaf_> knome, means "confused" :P
[20:28] <Letozaf_> knome, as elfy said sound greek to me
[20:28] <knome> do you mean hämmentynyt?
[20:28] <Letozaf_> sounds
[20:29] <Letozaf_> knome, if only I remembered Afrikaans well I could have answered you in Afrikaans, then :P
[20:29] <Letozaf_> knome, but I remember only a few words
[20:30] <knome> :)
[20:35] <knome> but afrikaans is relatively understandable
[20:35] <Letozaf_> knome, yeah compared to finnish yes :)
[20:36] <knome> ;)
[20:36] <knome> they say finnish is one of the hardest languages in the world to learn...
[20:37] <elfy> Martian would probably be easier
[20:37] <Letozaf_> knome, lekker, biltong, Droëwors
[20:37] <Letozaf_> elfy, ha ha :)
[20:38] <elfy> http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
[20:38] <Letozaf_> knome, dronkie, krimpie. toppie
[20:38] <elfy> as related to English that is
[20:39] <knome> elfy, yep..
[20:39] <Letozaf_> :D
[23:21] <alesage> elopio, I'm realizing that if two are pairing then the other two will be responsible for the reviews
[23:42] <ubuntu-plain> short feedback: when upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 with german language settings, ubuntu switched to firefox in english. firefox-locale-de was missing. ps: please make a simple feedback form, there are so many places to report or file bugs on that launchpad thingy, i dont know where to turn to
[23:45] <knome> ubuntu-plain, what would be a simple feedback form?
[23:45] <knome> ubuntu-plain, and how would the people who read it figure out what the feedback is about, if no categorization was made?
[23:53] <ubuntu-plain> one webpage with forms or a package selector. or a working ubuntu-bug without 7 windows and redirect to some webpage to register an account
[23:54] <knome> i don't understand how those forms or the package selector could be any easier, or less complex
[23:54] <knome> do you realize how many packages there are in ubuntu?
[23:54] <knome> anyway, for the registration part... without that, launchpad would be full of spam


[00:39] <xubuntu920> sup people
[00:39] <xubuntu920> proud to announce that i switched to xubuntu
[00:39] <xubuntu920> lol
[00:41] <xubuntu920> wtf ?
[00:41] <xubuntu920> everyone sleeping ?
[00:42] <xubuntu920> thought id find a bit more action going on here...
[00:43] <xubuntu920> ba artemis3
[00:43] <xubuntu920> esti ?
[00:51] <David-A> I'm awake, more or less
[02:18] <xubuntu119> Anyone using Xubuntu with LTSP?
[02:18] <holstein> xubuntu119: is set it up as a test *way* back.. like 9.10? or 9.04
[02:18] <holstein> i set*
[02:21] <xubuntu119> It boots fine....but I want to lock the desktop and other things
[02:21] <xubuntu119> The issue I have...strange....when I adduser at the server command line , it does not create a home folder
[02:21] <holstein> xubuntu119: back then, i used pesselus and other nice tricks in gnome2
[02:22] <holstein> xubuntu119: so far, i have been assured we dont need those tools anymore, and, if i were able/inclined, i would make them myself.. however, i used a few alternatives in xfce
[02:22] <xubuntu119> but the client boots OK....but any settings are lost are reboot...they do not persist
[02:22] <holstein> xubuntu119: read-only areas of the config, and filesytem were OK for my needs
[03:39] <xubuntu553> hi. i was wondering if someone can help trying to get 1920x1080 to work on my 60" lcd television, through a non-EDID VGA port
[03:45] <holstein> xubuntu553: i never made that work, after updating a driver.. an nvidia driver
[03:46] <holstein> xubuntu553: you are trying a custom xorg.conf? what issues are you seeing? have you tried just setting it in arandr?
[03:47] <xubuntu553> i've already spent hours trying to figure it out.  so far, the most progress i've made was to follow these instructions:
[03:47] <xubuntu553> http://samuelmartin.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/enabling-resolutions-in-ubuntu-12-04-lubuntu-12-04/
[03:47] <xubuntu553> but i've only been able to get 720p to work
[03:48] <holstein> xubuntu553: well, since you've only been at it hours, maybe there is still a chance
[03:49] <xubuntu553> is 10-monitor.conf same/similar to xorg.conf?
[03:49] <xubuntu553> ha
[03:49] <holstein> xubuntu553: have you tried arandr?
[03:49] <xubuntu553> no, i haven't
[03:49] <xubuntu553> (thanks for chatting, btw)
[03:49] <holstein> xubuntu553: try that first.. then,share what driver you are using
[03:51] <xubuntu553> ok, i have arandr running
[03:52] <xubuntu553> arandr doesn't seem to be any different than going to settings manager>display
[03:52] <holstein> xubuntu553: try sitting the resolution with that tool
[03:52] <holstein> xubuntu553: it could be, you are not going to be able to provide that resolution to that display
[03:52] <xubuntu553> but 1080 doesn't show as an option
[03:54] <xubuntu553> by following the link above, i was able to define 1280x720, and then subsequently select it.  i just don't know how to define 1080 so that it will show up as well
[03:54] <holstein> xubuntu553: you can do it the same, but it may not work
[03:54] <holstein> xubuntu553: you can share what driver you are using, and what xorg.conf you are using and where you got it
[03:55] <xubuntu553> do you have any possible explanations as to why it doesn't work?  okay let me get that info for you
[03:56] <holstein> xubuntu553: i have *the* explantion. the hardware is not supporting the operating system you are using.. you likely were not promised that it would.. you were likely promised windows OS support
[03:56] <holstein> so, you will need to tell the volunteers here what you are using.. what hardwrae, and what xorg.conf, and where you got it
[03:57] <xubuntu553> i'm using nvidia-304.  i have an integrated nforce 430 video card.  where can i find my xorg.conf?
[03:57] <holstein> !xorgconf
[03:58] <xubuntu553> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig:  version 304.121  (buildmeister@swio-display-x86-rhel47-06)  T ue Mar  4 20:56:42 PST 2014  Section "ServerLayout"     Identifier     "Layout0"     Screen      0  "Screen0"     InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"     InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection  Section "Files" EndSection  Section "InputDevice"     # generated from defau
[03:58] <holstein> !paste | xubuntu553
[03:59] <xubuntu553> sorry i'm new to all this
[04:02] <xubuntu553> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7192741/
[04:06] <holstein> xubuntu553: your xorg.conf has no resolutions specified.. you could try that
[04:12] <xubuntu553> i'm trying to use cvt and gtf 1920 1080.   do you know what refresh rate i should specify;  is it important?
[04:19] <xubuntu553> thank you for your help holstein.  i will rty a few more things.
[05:14] <TheX> Is there a place for system Sound's in Xubuntu? i have looked everywhere.
[05:31] <Artemis3> TheX, settings, appearance, maybe?
[05:35] <TheX> Thank you
[08:01] <xubuntu642> hello
[08:01] <cfhowlett> xubuntu642 ask your xubuntu question
[08:02] <xubuntu642> does anyone know where all the xfce4 configuration file are located
[08:02] <xubuntu642> system wide
[08:02] <xubuntu642> i want to make it work to all the new installed machines
[08:02] <cfhowlett> xubuntu642 /home   - it's a hidden folder
[08:02] <xubuntu642> also, it seems https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization this guide doesn't work to me
[08:03] <xubuntu642> i'm creating a live cd image
[08:03] <xubuntu642> so no home folder yet
[08:03] <xubuntu642> the last command using mkisofs command doesn't work to me
[08:03] <xubuntu642> i think someone should renew this article
[08:05] <xubuntu642> i have tried in xubuntu 12.04 and xubuntu 14.04 beta, all doesn't work, and googled a lot about how to build a personal xubuntu image for personal use, but all the guides are "copied" from this original one
[08:06] <xubuntu642> so anyone can help?
[08:09] <xubuntu642> then anyone know how to create the bootable xubuntu image using genisoimage?
[09:22] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/48535/how-to-customize-the-ubuntu-live-cd
[09:23] <bazhang> augh he quit
[09:23] <peewee> 'lo
[09:49] <chichov> hey, if a bug is fxed in the ubuntu installer, is it the same in the xubuntu installer?
[09:49] <chichov> I'm referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/1300072
[10:58] <martinrame> Hi, I'm trying to compile a program that links to lpthread, but I'm getting undefined references to functions of that library. Should I have to install something else? ldconfig -p shows libpthread.so.0 is installed.
[11:15] <bekks> martinrame: you need the headers of libpthread to be installed.
[11:25] <martinrame> bekks: how can I install them?
[11:25] <bekks> install libc6-dev
[11:26] <martinrame> bekks: libc6-dev is already the newest version
[12:24] <Guest12932> if you have installed the beta of the lts and keep it updated when the final is released the beta version will be equal to the final version right ?
[12:25] <cfhowlett> !final|Guest12932
[12:25] <Guest12932> ubottu, you are a bot ? thanks anyway :)
[12:26] <Guest12932> ahahaha
[12:33] <xubuntu425> Hi, I am working on xubuntu with a mac bluethooth keyboard and would like to remap the ctrl and command key. in ubuntu there is a simple gui option to do this but I was not able to figure out how this can be done in xubuntu. any ideas?
[12:42] <kiwilinuxguy> howdy
[12:42] <kiwilinuxguy> testing out xubuntu beta 2
[12:42] <cfhowlett> kiwilinuxguy until release, 14.04 support = #ubuntu+1 channel
[12:42] <kiwilinuxguy> ok  sorry didn't know
[12:43] <cfhowlett> kiwilinuxguy no worries
[12:44] <xubuntu460> --- got disconnected, hopefully nobody answered inbetween. My question was whether you can remap ctrl and command key in xubuntu somehow? the things I have found on the web didn't really work out...
[12:55] <baizon> xubuntu460: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1805795
[12:56] <baizon> xubuntu460: or this http://software.clapper.org/cheat-sheets/xfce.html
[13:28] <taruti> Is there a smaller xubuntu amd64 13.10 cd-image than the 842mb one?
[13:29] <koegs> if cd-size is the problem either use a dvd or a usb-stick :)
[13:29] <taruti> the system does not boot from a usb-stick and no dvd-burner at hand
[13:31] <cfhowlett> !mini|taruti
[13:32] <taruti> ok, we'll use that
[14:22] <user1790> Xubuntu first timer here.
[14:23] <cfhowlett> user1790 ask your ubuntu questions
[14:24] <user1790> I'm making a cutom menu that resembles ubuntu's session menu. Got stuck when adding session-action entries!
[14:25] <user1790> Shutdown, restart etc requires password if I put sudo shutdown -h now in to a script.
[14:27] <user1790> My plan was to make .desktop files, put them in /.local/share/applications, but these scripts would require password prompt. Any workaround to mimic xubuntu's action buttons?
[14:57] <craigbass1976> I have a file on a thumb drive.  A different user is logged in to xfce, so when I plug it in, that user has access to the files.  Is there a simple way through the GUI that will allow ME to have access?  I currently use ssh -Y craig@localhost thunar to get a browser up with my credentials.  I can't just drag a file over, I've found...
[15:00] <cfhowlett> craigbass1976 are you the admin?  gksudo thunar should do it.
[15:06] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett, the craig account is an admin, but the one that's logged into XFCE isn't.
[15:08] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett, and... the file once I drag it over is going to be owned by root, not craig, right?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> craigbass1976 as I understand it you can drag/drop from /user1 to /user2 but the original permissions apply.  ask in #ubuntu for more eyes on your problem.
[15:18] <craigbass1976> cfhowlett, I'm thinking I can just add myself (craig) to the other user's group.  All I need is read access anyway.
[15:20] <cfhowlett> craigbass1976 sounds do-able.
[15:21] <craigbass1976> bah... 700 permissions when I plug it in.
[15:25] <randomnomad> hello all
[15:26] <randomnomad> i am trying to figuer something out and i was wandering if some one might be able to point me in the right direction
[15:26] <cfhowlett> randomnomad details?
[15:26] <craigbass1976> -->
[15:26] <craigbass1976> ^
[15:26] <craigbass1976> Sorry, it's been a long morning.  :)
[15:27] <randomnomad> when i first install 13.10 i had problems getting hdmi audio passthrogh
[15:27] <randomnomad> i was able to fix this by adding a few lins to the asound.conf
[15:27] <randomnomad> but after updateing lastnight my hdmi out put dissapered from pusleaudio again
[15:27] <randomnomad> and cant figure out why
[15:28] <randomnomad> it still is listed by aplay -l
[15:28] <randomnomad> same device just cant get sound to play thought it
[15:30] <randomnomad> its a nvidia incase it matter
[15:35] <randomnomad> ive also checked to make sure its not muted is alsamixer reinstalled pulsaudio
[15:35] <randomnomad> i just dont know where to check now ive googled everything i can
[15:44] <chichov> is anybody aware of issues with LVM group creation during the installation of xubuntu with encryption?
[16:17] <randomnomad> i gusse not
[16:52] <junka> what is the package name of the volume icon?
[16:53] <cfhowlett> junka indicator-plugin
[17:01] <junka> thanks
[17:22] <Hxxx> ehmm what plugin to install to get an option from the right click menu on xfce to share a folder using samba?
[17:25] <fballs> plugin?
[17:25] <fballs> just define a custom action in thunar
[17:25] <fballs> like this: https://bipedu.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/add-right-click-samba-share-in-thunarxfce-file-manager/
[17:28] <randomnomad> im haveing a problem loading the alsa driver after i upgrade the kerneal
[17:28] <randomnomad> or after i upgraded
[17:29] <randomnomad> snd_hda_codec: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
[17:51] <Hxxx> fballs, thank you, at the time I read your message, I solved the issue with gadmin-samba
[18:13] <delt> Hello
[18:14] <delt> quick question, i put this in my /etc/rc.local ---> echo "performance" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[18:14] <delt> but after booting, the cpu governor is still set to "ondemand" until i manually type/paste that line in a root shell
[18:14] <delt> why is that?
[18:39] <fundies> My laptop wnt come back after I close the lid. The login screens comes up once I open it but once I enter my password screen goes black
[19:19] <msuth1> Hi there, I am having some trouble trying to install Xubuntu for the first time (me and the computer) on a USB stick on a computer that currently has no OS (brand new). I have used unetbootin to create a bootable USB stick using the 13.10 ISO that i downloaded. When I boot from the USB stick I get a blue UNETBOOTIN screen with default as the only option on the list. After the counter ticks down (or if I
[19:19] <msuth1>  click default) I get taken to a BusyBox shell. Where's the installer? What am I missing. Much thanks!
[19:22] <junka> format with fat32 filesystem and rewrite the iso on the usb
[19:26] <msuth1> Assuming junka's response was directed at me, the USB stick appears to be already formatted to "MS-DOS (FAT)". Is FAT32 different than MS-DOS (FAT)? Bear with me, this is a little out of my element.
[19:28] <junka> yes msuth1 it need FAT32
[19:28] <junka> needs*
[19:29] <msuth1> Thank you. I'm guessing the problem might have to do with me formatting the USB stick on my Mac. Does that make any sense?
[19:34] <skribblezatcha> good afternoon peoples.
[19:35] <junka> msuth1, i dont think it's os problem but a filesystem one
[19:38] <msuth1> junka, sorry, what i meant was that mac os only offers "MS-DOS (FAT)" formatting, and not FAT32 by default. I'm just researching a workaround since you implied that "MS-DOS (FAT)" and "FAT32" are not the same
[19:40] <junka> msuth1, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[19:46] <msuth1> I've confirmed through Disk Utility that I have reformatted to FAT32. Just using unetbootin to get the .iso on the USB then I will try again.
[19:47] <junka> :)
[19:52] <msuth1> @junka - it's working! I feel like a dolt for overlooking such a simple fix. I thought this was much more complicated! lol
[19:53] <msuth1> I'm sure you do this all the time, but I just want to let you know that I really appreciate that there are people like you in the world who will take their time to help a complete stranger
[19:54] <junka> come visit us anytime ;)
[19:54] <msuth1> Sappy, I know, but you should feel good about yourself sir! Thanks again, have a good one.
[20:14] <fundies> My laptop wnt come back after I close the lid. The login screens comes up once I open it but once I enter my password screen goes black
[20:14] <fundies> how2fix?
[20:14] <junka> does it suspend or hibernate?
[20:15] <fundies> hibernate i think
[20:19] <junka> i dont know how to fix this, but in the meanwhile you can set it to suspend when u close the lid
[21:50] <delt> quick question... i'm setting the cpu governor to "performance" from my /etc/rc.local but after boot it's still "ondemand" ...where should i set it from ideally?


[14:21] <cr3> hi folks, might there be a coding guideline for launchpad that describes when to use the various logging levels?
[14:23] <dobey> cr3: in launchpad code itself? #launchpad-dev might be a better place to ping re: developing in launchpad itself
[14:23] <cr3> dobey: makes sense, thanks!
[16:21] <aturnwald> Hello, I've got a Problem with Ubuntu 13.10, I Can't install any packages, because the file git-daemon-sysinit is corruped, so does anyone know to help me, please ?