[08:45] <bryan> fuck winex, developers need to start making native linux games
[08:45] <ratl3> ya, i agreee
[08:45] <ratl3> but we need to work on both
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> whats the best downlaod manager ? prozilla ? d4x ?
[08:45] <bryan> and graphics card makers need to start getting good drivers out
[08:46] <DarthFrog> bryan: Except for a few (i.e. ID) it isn't happening.
[08:46] <dash> da_bon_bon: bittorrent, obviously
[08:46] <exknoppix> I wish people would _pay_ for Free Software development of games ... but that dream won't come true for years
[08:46] <bryan> i would pay for hl2 on PC, just like i payed for it on windows
[08:46] <bryan> eerr
[08:46] <robzulah> which permission DarthFrog? (I'm a Linux newbie, bare with me please. =)
[08:46] <bryan> s/pc/linux
[08:46] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: Besides who needs another game after they've played Frozen Bubble. :-)
[08:46] <exknoppix> if Free Software could get just 10% of the money spent on games, then with code-sharing, Linux would be _the_ platform within 5 years
[08:47] <dash> DarthFrog: infidel! clearly the correct game is nethack
[08:47] <DarthFrog> dash: LOL!
[08:47] <dash> exknoppix: yeah well
[08:47] <dash> exknoppix: until we get quality video drivers, it's not going to happen
[08:47] <ratl3> ya, we need to create more places for money in free software
[08:47] <exknoppix> personally, my favorite downloader is wget ... but I like to do the micromanagement myself
[08:47] <DarthFrog> robzulah: Open a terminal and issue the command "ls -l kmud*" in the directory that the kmud binary is installed in.
[08:48] <dash> exknoppix: and i am willing to bet that we will not get quality video drivers until software 3D rendering comes back
[08:48] <robzulah> it says "-rwxr-xr-x    1 zeppelin zeppelin      399 2001-06-29 07:54 kmud"
[08:49] <DarthFrog> robzulah: What do the first 10 characters say?   I like your idea.
[08:51] <ratl3> wikipedia itself da_bon_bon
[08:51] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He's not serious.
[08:51] <dash> exknoppix: If any of the game ideas i've got on the back burner ever become practical, I think they will require wikipedia integration. :)
[08:51] <exknoppix> da_bon_bon: I'm kind of joking here
[08:51] <ratl3> hah!
[08:52] <ratl3> we should develop games
[08:52] <ratl3> and stop bitching about it
[08:52] <exknoppix> dash: I can believe it ... yes, combine real world data with a total VR game
[08:52] <dash> exknoppix: "total VR" is a myth
[08:52] <ratl3> what ideas do you have dash ?
[08:53] <bryan> i can't even get out of 60hz
[08:53] <bryan> can't even run a screensaver
[08:53] <exknoppix> we should make a computer game which makes computer games ... then feed the output back into the input
[08:53] <dash> ratl3: mostly adventure-game type stuff
[08:53] <bryan> the 3d screensavers run at like 10fps
[08:53] <ratl3> how much game dev experience do you have?
[08:53] <dash> not a whole lot.
[08:54] <dash> ratl3: anyway, i'm mostly waiting for the technology to advance enough
[08:54] <exknoppix> dash: well, let me tell you about a little thing called ... The Matrix!
[08:54] <ratl3> hah!
[08:54] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: Then you'll have a computer that plays with itself.  The Moral Majority will then have computers outlawed. :-0
[08:54] <exknoppix> dash: the wool has been pulled over your eyes
[08:54] <ratl3> DarthFrog, haha
[08:54] <dash> ratl3: fortunately, the stuff i do at my day job is moving in that direction
[08:54] <dash> exknoppix: prepare for face mashing
[08:55] <ratl3> dash, games?
[08:55] <exknoppix> DarthFrog: if voting really mattered, they'd make it illegal
[08:55] <dash> ratl3: infrastructure that will be useful for games
[08:55] <exknoppix> dash: "face mashing"??? sorry, I'm a bit behind the times
[08:55] <ratl3> exknoppix, voting does matter... to them
[08:56] <ratl3> exknoppix, a way to waste all of our time
[08:56] <DarthFrog> Just seen on Slashdot:
[08:56] <DarthFrog> Our primary concern in the short term is with being able to ship a SeaMonkey front end on
[08:56] <DarthFrog> top of a Gecko
[08:56] <DarthFrog> That doesn't sound like a developer's list, that sounds like a post on alt.sex.zoophilia.
[08:56] <ratl3> exknoppix, thinking we are changing anything
[08:56] <exknoppix> dash: are you planning on "mashing" my face?
[08:56] <Voidzero1> Hi, could anyone please help me with my installation of Ubuntu?
[08:56] <dash> exknoppix: yes, if you keep talking about dumb movies :p
[08:56] <dash> Voidzero1: hi! what's up
[08:56] <exknoppix> sure, is all about the illusion of legitimacy
[08:57] <dash> exknoppix: anyway i think that phrase came from a strongbad email :)
[08:57] <Voidzero1> Hi Dash!  How're doing?  Having trouble with my X server GUI
[08:57] <dash> ratl3: anyway here's an idea
[08:57] <exknoppix> dash: hey, I haven't even started on The Fight Club yet
[08:57] <ratl3> exknoppix, i still vote though.. heh
[08:58] <dash> ratl3: one of the problem with MMORPGs is making sure that the production of game content by the developers stays ahead of the consumption of it by players
[08:58] <ratl3> dash, ya
[08:58] <dash> ratl3: this, among other problems, has made it very hard for a community-run MMORPG to arise
[08:58] <exknoppix> I consider voting a mental exercise ... is a way to focus your attention on issues
[08:59] <exknoppix> fortunately, I live in Canada where we have more than Pepsi/Coke to choose from
[08:59] <ratl3> exknoppix, what kind of system would you prefer?
[08:59] <dash> ratl3: one of the reasons this is difficult is because there's no good way to run untrusted code in a real programming language securely and efficiently on a server
[08:59] <Voidzero1> I get the shell instead of the GUI.  I'm a newbie at Linux.  Helping out with tuxLabs installations in ZA.  Want to enter Linux enviroment full time.
[08:59] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: Yeah, we have Moosehead and Blue, too. :-)
[09:00] <dash> Voidzero1: ok, what gfx card?
[09:00] <ratl3> dash, hmm, ya
[09:00] <exknoppix> dash: need to make fractal, reusable MMORPG content ... create the illusion of vast spaces
[09:00] <ratl3> exknoppix, that gets boring in like a minute
[09:01] <Voidzero1> Old ISA card
[09:01] <exknoppix> rat13: "system would you prefer" ... you mean electoral system?
[09:01] <ratl3> exknoppix, yah
[09:01] <dash> ratl3: so right now, if you want people to contribute to your gameworld, you either give them a crippled tool, or you trust them to touch all code in your system
[09:01] <dash> ratl3: if we can change that, some interesting possibilities arise, i think
[09:01] <dash> Voidzero1: zoinks
[09:01] <exknoppix> about the "fractal" comment ... I'm just goofing
[09:01] <ratl3> dash, i thought you had an idea to change that
[09:01] <ratl3> hah
[09:02] <dash> ratl3: yeah, i do
[09:02] <ratl3> dash, how?
[09:02] <dash> ratl3: hopefully i will be giving a demo at pycon
[09:02] <ratl3> dash, cool
[09:02] <zbowling> who said gecko?
[09:02] <zbowling> hehe
[09:02] <dash> ratl3: i am hitting some snags in the code though, it's going to be tight :)
[09:02] <exknoppix> rat13: I'd say that "direct action" is more important than once-every-4-years of voting ... realize that your day-to-day life is more politically important than once-a-year vote ... as for elections, I'd like at least half the seats go to proportional representation
[09:03] <dash> isn't "direct action" a euphemism for "political assassination"?
[09:03] <ratl3> exknoppix, so you'd go more for a reform of the current system?
[09:03] <pepsi> exknoppix, hi
[09:03] <pepsi> ;)
[09:03] <zbowling> DarthFrog: you say something about gecko?
[09:03] <pepsi> you lit me up
[09:03] <DarthFrog> zbowling: Not really.
[09:03] <ratl3> pepsi, hah
[09:03] <quarupt> So i guess media stuff for AMD64 is just non existant, no realplayer nor mplayer
[09:04] <zbowling> zbowling: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 :-)
[09:04] <exknoppix> dash: what's pycon
[09:04] <dash> exknoppix: http://pycon.org/
[09:04] <dash> exknoppix: community python conference
[09:04] <dash> in 2 weeks in DC
[09:04] <zbowling> DarthFrog: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 and the gecko# wrapper for mono :-)
[09:04] <exknoppix> dash: "direct action" == "political assassination"? hmm, I'd never heard of that ... I thought that direct action was just about activism as a meaningful part of your life
[09:05] <ratl3> is python good enought to run a large mmorpg?
[09:05] <dash> ratl3: heh, what else would you use?
[09:05] <fusion88> hi
[09:05] <zbowling> use mono instead of python..
[09:05] <ratl3> well, i meant fast engouh
[09:05] <DarthFrog> zbowling: I had just read a funny comment on Slashdot and cross-posted it here.
[09:05] <exknoppix> dash: I'm 100% non-violent ... mostly because I find fighting boring and scary
[09:05] <dash> exknoppix: exactly how i feel about politics :)
[09:05] <dash> exknoppix: not surprising, given that politics is just organized violence...
[09:06] <fusion88> aussies
[09:06] <exknoppix> dash: sigh, you lucky geek, you
[09:06] <fusion88> geezz
[09:06] <jdub> guys
[09:06] <jdub> this is way off-topic
[09:06] <pastyhermit> man
[09:06] <jdub> elsewhere please :)
[09:06] <pastyhermit> Disk utility sucks
[09:06] <pastyhermit> it cant burn hoary-ppc
[09:06] <pastyhermit> whats the deal?
[09:06] <dash> jdub: good point :)
[09:06] <fusion88> ok i need help please
[09:06] <ratl3> hah
[09:06] <dash> also, it is way past my bedtime
[09:06] <pastyhermit> it couldnt do warty either
[09:06] <jdub> pastyhermit: in OS X? yes, there are known bugs with it unfortunately :|
[09:06] <fusion88> whats the best way to install a belkin usb wireless card on ubuntu its a F5D6050
[09:06] <pastyhermit> jdub: any suggestions
[09:06] <jdub> pastyhermit: there is a command line tool you can use, i'm pretty sure this is mentioned on the wiki
[09:07] <pastyhermit> jdub:
[09:07] <pastyhermit> k
[09:07] <fusion88> hi
[09:07] <Voidzero1> Dash, is the ISA GFx card too old?   I just had to give Dash some hopes about politics
[09:09] <pastyhermit> cant find in wiki
[09:10] <bryan> i heard there lots of problems burning ubuntu for mac
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> bryan: like ?
[09:12] <bryan> http://www.macgeekery.com/node/75
[09:12] <DarthFrog> Holy sheepshit, Batman.  I just thought I'd install xemacs for a looksee.  It wants 103 MB of disk space!! For an editor!!   Now that's bloat.
[09:13] <schasi> gdmorning
[09:13] <ratl3> ya, isn't that more than openoffice?
[09:13] <ratl3> DarthFrog,
[09:13] <schasi> emacs is not an editor, its an os
[09:13] <ratl3> hah
[09:14] <DarthFrog> ratl3: and emacs itself isn't available.
[09:14] <schasi> That was more or less a joke
[09:14] <ratl3> ya, vi is much better
[09:14] <DarthFrog> Well, vim actually.
[09:14] <exknoppix> emacs isn't an os, it's a lifestyle
[09:15] <exknoppix> emacs is the One Editor
[09:15] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: strange - emacs was installed by default in my warty install
[09:15] <schasi> exknoppix: Right, right after vim
[09:15] <goldfish> i had emacs too
[09:15] <schasi> yahoo editor wars
[09:15] <goldfish> in warty default
[09:15] <ratl3> hah
[09:16] <schasi> I use nano, it totally rocks
[09:16] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: I'm running Hoary.  "apt-get install emacs" says it's not available.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> not that I use it anyway ;)
[09:16] <schasi> DarthFrog: Univers and all that enabled?
[09:16] <DarthFrog> Universe & mulitverse.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: must be - your sources are incomplete ?
[09:17] <jdub> DarthFrog: emacs21
[09:17] <jdub> DarthFrog: use apt-cache search to find things
[09:17] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: never heard of a linux distro without an available emacs
[09:17] <exknoppix>     One Editor to rule them all, One Editor to find them,
[09:17] <exknoppix>          One Editor to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
[09:17] <DarthFrog> jdub: Thanks!  Yeah, emacs21 is the ticket.
[09:17] <schasi> 21 for 21st century?
[09:17] <DarthFrog> It only wants 43.6 MB of disk real estate.
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!  ;-)
[09:18] <exknoppix> the ed is dead, long live ed!
[09:18] <ratl3> screw ed, cat is all i need!
[09:18] <schasi> cat owns
[09:18] <ratl3> i have files with one character each in them
[09:18] <exknoppix> you lazy bastards ... give me a magnet any day of the week
[09:18] <schasi> editors is for wimps ;-)
[09:18] <ratl3> and do a cat a > file
[09:19] <DarthFrog> jdub: Wow, "apt-cache search" seems just the ticket.  thanks.
[09:19] <schasi> Know where getting ars-userfriendlyy
[09:19] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[09:19] <jdub> DarthFrog: ubuntu has all kinds of tickets ;-) ;-)
[09:19] <exknoppix> I just use my psionic powers to change the magnetic polarity on the harddrive
[09:19] <ratl3> haha!
[09:20] <schasi> thoreauputic: rofl
[09:21] <thoreauputic> *sigh* whatever happened to quill pens and parchment ?
[09:21] <DarthFrog> jdub: So I'm finding out.  :-)  I'm growing to like Ubuntu very much.  Especially now that KDE is available for it.
[09:21] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: They were obsoleted by buggy whips. <grinning, running and ducking>
[09:21] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: *grin*
[09:21] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: lol :D
[09:22] <Tomcat_> Well I'm an Emacs- and vi-Hater as well. :P
[09:23] <exknoppix> folks, I'm using ERC at the moment ... that's IRC on Emacs!
[09:23] <Tomcat_> omfg
[09:23] <Tomcat_> :D
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can save my chat scripts ...
[09:23] <Tomcat_> Go play Emacs-Tetris, please. :D
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can search my chat scripts ...
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can _edit_ my chat scripts ...
[09:23] <Tomcat_> Can you edit what you have said? :D
[09:23] <thor|starving> heh... nice IRC client, shame about the editor ;-)
[09:23] <ratl3> haha
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can make emacs macros to do automated thingies on my chat scripts
[09:24] <DarthFrog> Good night all.
[09:24] <Tomcat_> "The longer a piece of open source software is in development, it always evolves so it can send mail"
[09:24] <exknoppix> I am the omnipotent one!
[09:24] <Tomcat_> I guess that's more than correct for Emacs.
[09:24] <exknoppix> can _your_ editor load naughty pictures ... mine can!
[09:25] <exknoppix> my xmms playlists are triggered inside emacs
[09:25] <exknoppix> I read my mail inside emacs
[09:25] <bryan> mmm, mouse just died, time for sleep
[09:25] <bryan> nini
[09:25] <Tomcat_> Damn... all the Americans are going... :)
[09:25] <ratl3> im an american
[09:25] <ratl3> (sadly)
[09:25] <exknoppix> what nationality is left now?
[09:26] <schasi> Tomcat_: What editor are you using?
[09:26] <exknoppix> are these all auzzies?
[09:26] <Tomcat_> schasi: The mighty pico/nano :D
[09:26] <Tomcat_> I'm German.
[09:26] <Tomcat_> schasi: And something on X (Gedit, Eclipse) when it comes to developing, where the editor needs more stuff than pico/nano have.
[09:26] <bryan[a] > (I'm canadian)
[09:26] <bryan[a] > if i was american i'd probably move to canada
[09:26] <exknoppix> ah, is like 8 AM in Germany?
[09:27] <Tomcat_> 09:30 am :o
[09:27] <bryan[a] > 3:30am here :p
[09:27] <Tomcat_> :>
[09:27] <exknoppix> I'm a Canadian at 3:30 ... and am hosed out of my mind at the moment
[09:27] <goldfish> 8:30 am here
[09:27] <ratl3> yep 330am
[09:27] <bryan[a] > where you at exknoppix ?
[09:28] <bryan[a] > (ontario somewhere i assume)
[09:28] <ratl3> do you have canada border patrol yet?
[09:28] <ratl3> hah
[09:28] <exknoppix> check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland
[09:28] <azriel0184> hmmm... i installed a second NIC on my linux machine and now localhost doesnt work...
[09:28] <exknoppix> bryan[a] : Waterloo ... you?
[09:29] <azriel0184> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ ping localhost
[09:29] <azriel0184> PING localhost.localdomain (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:29] <azriel0184> --- localhost.localdomain ping statistics ---
[09:29] <azriel0184> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms
[09:29] <bryan[a] > Hamilton
[09:29] <jesuel> azriel0184: thats strange.
[09:29] <azriel0184> s/linux/ubuntu/
[09:29] <ratl3> ya, i've seen that idiotic map
[09:29] <ratl3> exknoppix,
[09:30] <schasi> There is a size limit to split? How awful
[09:30] <exknoppix> bryan[a] : ah, I grew up just outside Hamilton. went to high school in Dundas.
[09:30] <schasi> Can i split a 4.6bg file into 4.4+rest?
[09:30] <azriel0184> my /etc/hosts file is fine as well
[09:30] <schasi> seems not like it
[09:30] <exknoppix> rat13,
[09:31] <ratl3> yes exknoppix ?
[09:32] <GammaRay> can anyone think of good reason to not strip .bash_profile of most everything and put it all in .bashrc?
[09:32] <membreya> new kernel coming down? 2.6.10-6? :)
[09:32] <jesuel> azriel0184: maybe its the default route for the second nic perhaps?
[09:32] <orospakr> ogra, nice work on the hardware info submission tool. :) it hung for me at the "information gathering" stage, though. :(
[09:32] <jesuel> azriel0184: grasping at straws?
[09:32] <azriel0184> well the first one is set to the default, so it shouldnt
[09:33] <azriel0184> but it should honour /etc/hosts no matter which one it is using?
[09:33] <ratl3> ok, i'm outta here
[09:34] <jesuel> azriel0184: /j #flood and do /exec o netstat -r, maybe that will explain it :)
[09:34] <dud_> how can i get php4 to work with apache1
[09:34] <dud_> (in hoary)
[09:34] <ratl3> night
[09:35] <dud_> oh
[09:35] <dud_> think i found it
[09:35] <shock> ok . anyone else here swizched to utf-8 and having problems with other irc people not being able ti read you
[09:35] <shock> ?
[09:35] <exknoppix> rat13: I can't get my side-chat windows working ... we could go to a temp chatroom, say #ubpolitics
[09:36] <Tomcat_> shock: That's normal.
[09:36] <schasi> Is there a counterpart to split?
[09:36] <dud-> ok, nm
[09:36] <Tomcat_> shock: Other people have to switch to UTF8 to read special characters from you...
[09:37] <MyNameIsChris> Anyone here use the sound on an ich5 southbridge?
[09:37] <dud-> as I understand it libapache-mod-php4 is supposed to be php4 for apache1
[09:37] <Tomcat_> shock: The characters after "read you" look quite odd to me, for example, because I use mIRC without UTF8 patch.
[09:37] <dud-> but that package is gone or something
[09:38] <quarupt> Anyone know if theres a kaffine plugin for firefox?
[09:38] <jesuel> Tomcat_: mIRC has a linux release?
[09:38] <Tomcat_> jesuel: Not really. :D
[09:38] <jesuel> Tomcat_: oh.
[09:38] <Tomcat_> The last release of Ubuntu trashed my partition table twice, so I had no way to switch away from Windows.
[09:39] <jesuel> ouch.
[09:39] <Tomcat_> I'll try again with hoary.
[09:39] <shock> Tomcat_ - im using irssi....
[09:39] <jesuel> hoary has been beautiful for me. Warty runs on my server just fine. But wouldnt on my laptop.
[09:40] <shock> it works fine for me reading utf8 signs sent by others
[09:40] <goldfish> i am using irssi
[09:40] <shock> and I can read my own utf8 signs
[09:40] <Tomcat_> I only use Warty on my laptop.. r uns perfectly.
[09:40] <goldfish> and its still weird
[09:40] <shock> hm
[09:40] <shock> do you have utf-8 generated?
[09:40] <Tomcat_> shock: Yes but people who use ISO8859 can't read your UTF8 stuff.
[09:40] <membreya> anyone know why I keep getting the following in dmesg smb_add_request: request [00000100063280c0, mid=12824]  timed out!
[09:41] <membreya> it's only after I have my pc on for a day or two
[09:41] <Tomcat_> membreya: Do you have a Windows machine on the network?
[09:41] <membreya> Tomcat_: yup, and I've got a directory on the PC mounted via samba
[09:41] <shock> Tomcat_ - correct
[09:41] <membreya> but I can still ping the PC
[09:41] <Tomcat_> membreya: Probably has something to do with that PC... no idea what though.
[09:43] <rem> .
[09:43] <waseem> hey if you clear your cache, history, and cookies from your browser, is there any possible way you can locate a link that you have been to?
[09:43] <waseem> like are there any hidden folders that contain any of that information?
[09:45] <MyNameIsChris> Well, my sound is really poor (more so in Dvd playback) and it has sounded fine in other distros. Abit AS8 with ICH5R SB and Logitech z640 5.1ch speakers
[09:46] <MyNameIsChris> Anywhere where I can check for proper modules?
[09:46] <quarupt> anyone know what this is all about?
[09:46] <quarupt> mplayer-amd64:
[09:46] <quarupt>  Depends: libavcodec2  but it is not installable
[09:46] <azriel0184> well enabling ath0 totaly screwed over my routing table
[09:46] <azriel0184> had to disable/enable eth0 to get it back...
[09:47] <azriel0184> and still localhost does not work...
[09:48] <quarupt> so mplayer-amd64 depends on libavcodec2  which doesnt exist?
[09:49] <kzm> anybody get mplayer to install on warty on regular x86?
[09:50] <kzm> (tried the marillat archives, but the only version that woudl install gives me a illegal instruction)
[09:53] <quarupt> ANYONE plz, is there a way to get helix/real working on AMD64?
[09:54] <quarupt> I have googled and wiki'd but no luck?
[09:55] <membreya> no quarupt
[09:55] <thor|starving> quarupt: maybe you could run the standard version in a chroot (someone mentioned this - forget who)
[09:55] <thor|starving> quarupt: don't ask me how thta's done, though
[09:56] <quarupt> I have no clue how to go abot this chroot, thing maybe there is a howto i can read or something?
[09:57] <thor|starving> quarupt: maybe google chroot + linux + amd64 + howto? Dunno
[09:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:58] <ace2001ac> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[09:58] <ace2001ac> that may help
[09:58] <quarupt> thx bud
[10:02] <saciits> hello
[10:02] <saciits> i am interested to bring ubuntu into latvian, is anyone interested?
[10:03] <quarupt> might wanna talk about that in #ubuntu-dev
[10:03] <quarupt> err
[10:03] <quarupt> wait thast not it
[10:03] <quarupt> maybe #Ubuntu-devel
[10:03] <quarupt> yea that one
[10:04] <saciits> #ubuntu-dev
[10:04] <azriel0184> does anyone have any ideas about my networking prob?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> join the Translation team as well
[10:05] <quarupt> is there any wone for AMD62?
[10:06] <zenrox> quarupt, amb62??? hahahahah
[10:06] <quarupt> AMD64 even
[10:06] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:06] <membreya> i run an amd64 ;)
[10:07] <quarupt> chroot?
[10:07] <membreya> bless you
[10:07] <quarupt> lol
[10:08] <jsgotangco> gnome 2.10 is really nice
[10:09] <jsgotangco> even the wireless monitor is working on my side now
[10:09] <quarupt> Yea gnome broke after i installed AMD64
[10:09] <quarupt> im foreded to use Kubuntu
[10:09] <quarupt> but its not that bad
[10:09] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[10:10] <spacey> you installed amd64?
[10:10] <quarupt> im thinking VM x86 would be easier than doing chroot
[10:10] <quarupt> Yea array 6AMD64 Ubuntu Hoary
[10:10] <spacey> ah
[10:10] <kinsky> hi everyone!
[10:10] <spacey> works fine for me
[10:11] <quarupt> well, it also happened after i got fglrx running, just would show any open windows down in the bar
[10:11] <kinsky> folks, installing ubuntu was a success, but it made my windows turn blue! ;(
[10:11] <kinsky> i guess i messed up the partition tables, any idea how to solve the problem??
[10:11] <jsgotangco> your windows is borked?
[10:12] <kinsky> borked..  unstartable!
[10:12] <quarupt> prolly just need to fix grub
[10:12] <kinsky> ok, is there a tool for it?
[10:13] <membreya> lol
[10:13] <hayden> how can i copy files to an ssh server?
[10:13] <quarupt> yea its called vi
[10:13] <membreya> use nano :P
[10:13] <thor|starving> hayden: scp
[10:13] <kinsky> hm, for quite a linux-newby these are hard topics
[10:13] <quarupt> use gedit
[10:13] <medz> i accidently remove libpng in sypnatic then all my Gnome apps are gone how can i reinstall it back using my cd.
[10:13] <jdub> medz: install the ubuntu-desktop package
[10:13] <membreya> hayden: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sshserver
[10:14] <kinsky> well is there any detailed information or howto for fixing the grub?
[10:14] <medz> jdub: how do i do that in console?
[10:14] <jdub> medz: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get update | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <medz> okey will try it now.
[10:15] <kinsky> with my first installation of ubuntu on an other machine, everything went allright, so i didn't care enough at the second time
[10:15] <kinsky> could anyone of you introduce me to that grub-thing?
[10:16] <membreya> kinsky: sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:16] <membreya> from a terminal
[10:18] <kinsky> ok, so how can i get closer, i mean to fix windows-startup?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[10:24] <kinsky> hm, i had a closer look at that file, also read through the grup-faq on the ubuntu-site. still don't know how to find out why windows won't start (it just shows a bluescreen and reboots after a few seconds). thanks for any ideas
[10:24] <membreya> sure it's not a memory dump kinsky ?
[10:24] <kinsky> membreya, how can i get to know that?
[10:24] <MyNameIsChris> kinsky: What is the situation? I had a potentially similiar problem once
[10:25] <membreya> it will say that it's performing a memory dump....windows thang
[10:25] <kinsky> well after installing ubuntu windows won't start, just shows a bluescreen for few secs, then reboots
[10:25] <thoreauputic> kinsky: did you resize the win partition before installing? If so, with what? Is it XP / ntfs?
[10:25] <kinsky> and in that case, membreya, what to do?
[10:26] <kinsky> well no, i guess i messed it up..
[10:26] <kinsky> diddnt care much about that since an other installation without resizing was allright
[10:26] <membreya> BSODs are only caused by disk (partition) failures or hardware
[10:26] <kinsky> im sure its about my partitioning
[10:26] <kzm> *sigh* USB is nothing but trouble, it seems.
[10:26] <membreya> if you didn't resize...WHAT did you install to ?
[10:26] <MyNameIsChris> kinsky, what sp do you have?
[10:26] <kzm> Anybody get an external disk to work properly?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> kinsky: if you didn't resize, where did you fit ubuntu?
[10:27] <kinsky> i chose the main hdd
[10:27] <membreya> lol
[10:27] <membreya> ummm kinsky
[10:27] <membreya> I would say bye bye to windows :)
[10:27] <kinsky> i took 2 gigs
[10:27] <kinsky> ;(
[10:27] <kinsky> well it worked formerly
[10:28] <jms> try a repair install of xp maybe?
[10:28] <MyNameIsChris> kinsky, what service pack and hdd capacity do you have?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> kinsky: you have more than one hard drive?
[10:28] <kinsky> s40 gigs, sp2
[10:28] <kinsky> no
[10:28] <MyNameIsChris> Never mind, not the problem I had
[10:28] <kinsky> i mean 1 hdd
[10:28] <membreya> agree with me thoreauputic ?:P
[10:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: looking that way
[10:29] <kinsky> so is it really that optimistic?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> kinsky: did you let ubuntu use the drive without specifying a partition?
[10:29] <kinsky> the thing is that i'm not so sure about that
[10:29] <kinsky> ;)
[10:30] <greg_> hello ! Is that work irc ? (it's the first time I try it on my ubuntu)
[10:30] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: I decided to that after I realised I hadn't booted Windows for months.
[10:30] <thoreauputic> kinsky: well, you would know if you did
[10:30] <membreya> hmmm does anyone know if it's possible to use the side buttons on a mouse in ubuntu (ie mouse4 and mouse5) ??
[10:30] <toerli> greg: yeah
[10:30] <kinsky> im not so sure about that
[10:30] <greg_> good
[10:30] <thoreauputic> kinsky: I think you probably wiped windows out
[10:30] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: I go into windows once a week if that to transcode xvid to mpeg2 :) other than that ubuntu serves my needs
[10:30] <greg_> everebody here is Ubuntu user ?
[10:30] <toerli> membreya: yes you have to edit x config
[10:31] <Fator_Dee> membreya: you can do that with ubuntu :-p
[10:31] <membreya> toerli: and add what?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> greg_: no, i run an IBM s390 in my bathroom
[10:31] <kinsky> with the installation routine of ubuntu, it sure is possible to resize the hdd?
[10:31] <MyNameIsChris> membreya, I would imagine that there would be an open source implementation for that
[10:31] <greg_> thoreauputic, lol
[10:31] <membreya> Fator_Dee: I know you can, but I can't be bothered to sit down and read the docs for avidemux2
[10:32] <toerli> membreya: search for 5 button mouse and XFree Config on google...
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> membreya: hold on, I'll give you an url
[10:32] <membreya> plus people are always complaining that transcoding in ubuntu is lossy
[10:32] <greg_> of course... I do this every night between 3 and 5 too :p
[10:32] <prego> he, latest upgade of hoary's gnome packages is quite nice; however my Nautilus scripts are missing (execpt for two of them made in python). Am I the only one with this behaviour?
[10:32] <membreya> thanks toerli :)
[10:32] <membreya> I love my side buttons for browsing
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> membreya: http://fredrik.hubbe.net/hacks/mkdvd.html this works flawlessly for me
[10:32] <jms> i've been stuck at "starting hotplug subsystem..." for about 11 minutes now... how might i fix this little probelm? ^^:
[10:33] <toerli> membreya: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html
[10:33] <prego> jms, this happens to me sometimes when I have the usb mouse connected
[10:33] <membreya> hmmm thanks for that Fator_Dee :) been trying to use avidemux2 :)
[10:33] <MyNameIsChris> Give me a scroll wheel and I can browse
[10:33] <membreya> ooo URL's galore for me :D
[10:33] <greg_> is there a french server for ubuntu on irc ?
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> membreya: np
[10:33] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: I use the side buttons for back and forward with the pages
[10:33] <prego> MyNameIsChris, even without a browser ? ;-P
[10:34] <membreya> lol
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> prego: A browser is good to have
[10:34] <thoreauputic> greg_: /j #ubuntu-fr
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> Makes it much quicker
[10:34] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: lynx? :P
[10:34] <greg_> thanks thoreauputic
[10:34] <jms> i dont have anyhting plugged into any usb slot on this computer
[10:34] <hayden> what is the username and password for shared folders (system->admin->shared folders)
[10:34] <prego> membreya, elinks :-) you can browse your gmail account now ;-))
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: I am not sure what that is unless you really screwed up the spelling of Linux
[10:34] <kinsky> and another thing - how to look for available wlan-networks with ubuntu 4.1 standard-installation?
[10:35] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: lynx = console web browser
[10:35] <membreya> do an apt-get on it :P
[10:35] <desplesda> MyNameIsChris, lynx is a text based web dammit membreya beat me to it
[10:35] <prego> membreya elinks = better lynx, IMHO
[10:35] <desplesda> :P
[10:35] <MyNameIsChris> I'll stick to Firefox for now
[10:35] <thoreauputic> or use w3m
[10:35] <membreya> firefox? naw.. I use galeon :)
[10:36] <MyNameIsChris> Console based web browsers. What are we? Animals?
[10:36] <jms> still hanging at starting hotplug ;\
[10:36] <desplesda> i use one all the time at work MyNameIsChris
[10:36] <kzm> jms, that's probably a wise strategy.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: does the recent galeon do session-save like the older ones did?
[10:36] <membreya> hey, you were the one that said all you needed to browse the net with was a mouse
[10:36] <missmarple> hi
[10:36] <membreya> thoreauputic: yes indeed :)
[10:36] <desplesda> its an excellent way of tracking down files i need to download
[10:36] <MyNameIsChris> scroll wheel
[10:36] <membreya> only thing that irks me is it doesnt save form information like google searches
[10:37] <membreya> but it does remember passwords so it's cool :)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah - thanks - I like that feature, although thefirefox extension does it well too
[10:38] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: text-based browsers can save your life if X takes a holiday ;-)
[10:38] <membreya> exactly thoreauputic :P
[10:38] <membreya> I love galeons portal at startup :) so pretty....
[10:39] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, I prefer the irssi and frantic questions approach
[10:39] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: haha.... I see ;-)
[10:39] <membreya> oh, thoreauputic how I was saying that facetious has all vowels running consecutively? the only other word that does that is absemious
[10:40] <thoreauputic> um - abstemious ?
[10:40] <yonatan> anyway, hanging out in text mode is cool...
[10:40] <thoreauputic> :P
[10:40] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: Thanks alot. Now I am going to spend all day thinking of another one
[10:40] <membreya> typo...trying to smoke at the same time :|
[10:41] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: there IS no other one
[10:41] <thoreauputic> membreya: at least you have an excuse - I'm lucky to get through a sentence without a typo :)
[10:41] <membreya> only facetious and abstemious
[10:41] <MyNameIsChris> That won't stop me looking
[10:41] <membreya> :P
[10:42] <jms> is there any way yo fix the system hangin g at "starting hotplug sybsystem" on startup?
[10:42] <toerli> how do i disable this ugly "roll to and from the desk"-animation when i switch between windows... i use hoary
[10:43] <toerli> jms: does it hang @ hotplug or at the service under hotplug? is hotpluged marked as [ok] ?
[10:43] <jms> no its not marked as ok
[10:44] <membreya> unplug your usb devices? :P
[10:44] <jms> just says starting hotplug subsystem... nadcursor is blinking underneath
[10:44] <toerli> warty?
[10:44] <jms> i dont have anything at all plugged into usb
[10:44] <membreya> disable hotplug then :P
[10:44] <jms> thats what im asking how to do
[10:44] <yonatan> anyone know how to get gnome to only move the window frame when moving windows (but not the contents)?
[10:45] <toerli> jms: pusg strg-c :-)
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> Would hitting ctrl+c work?
[10:45] <toerli> yeah
[10:45] <jms> ...
[10:45] <toerli> it stops enabling hotplug then.... then do warty update... i think its fixed in the security repository...
[10:45] <kzm> Mmmm....I was having some problems with my USB hd.  After a while, I got a 'USB reset full-speed device 1-1' in dmesg, and then it worked.  Any idea what has happened?
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> jms: ctrl+c when it is starting hotplug
[10:46] <jms> doesnt do anything
[10:46] <jms> i just installed not long ago, downloaded latest updates during install
[10:46] <membreya> jms: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice
[10:47] <membreya> you
[10:47] <membreya> are so mean thoreauputic :P
[10:47] <membreya> killing yourself like that
[10:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: Ghost Who Talks
[10:48] <jms> yea.. where am i supposed to type these commands if i cant even boot up
[10:48] <thoreauputic> membreya: be more abstemious in your facetiousness ;)
[10:49] <prego> How do I clean the downloaded packages by apt/synaptic? (I have 2Gb at /var/cache/apt)
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> jms: Have you tried booting rescue mode?
[10:49] <membreya> lol!
[10:49] <thoreauputic> prego: apt-get clean
[10:49] <jms> just did
[10:49] <prego> thoreauputic, thanks
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> jms: I don't know then, hotplug has always worked flawlessly for me
[10:50] <jms> still hangs
[10:50] <jms> is there anyway i could edit the blacklist from say knoppix or live ubuntu cd?
[10:50] <jms> i tried with knoppix but couldnt edit the file
[10:52] <medz> i accidently remove libpng in sypnatic then all my Gnome apps are gone how can i reinstall it back using my cd.
[10:52] <medz> apt-get install ubuntu does not work.
[10:52] <medz> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop   <- does not work.
[10:52] <schasi> apt-get install gnome?
[10:53] <medz> nope.
[10:53] <medz> anyone knows how to recover X in cd.
[10:53] <hypatia> what does "does not work" mean in this case?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> medz: if you're sure it was libpng, reinstall that?
[10:54] <medz> just accidently remove the package libpng.
[10:54] <medz> when libpng was remove all the gnome-* was remove also and some X apps in sypnatic.
[10:55] <medz> now all i got is the console.
[10:55] <schasi> Why doesnt apt-get install gnome libpng work?
[10:55] <medz> when startx is gone.
[10:55] <schasi> of course do an apt-cache search libpng first
[10:55] <medz> startx is gone. on X
[10:55] <schasi> and insert the right libpng
[10:55] <schasi> and search for xorg and install that as well
[10:56] <mxr> hi everyone
[10:56] <mxr> got a problem
[10:56] <thoreauputic> hypatia: "desn't work" + linux gives 908 000 hits on google ;)
[10:56] <medz> is ther e a way to resintall all X apps.
[10:56] <thoreauputic> *doesn't
[10:56] <mxr> setup ubuntu yesterday... but do not remember setting up the root pass...
[10:56] <mxr> any ideas?
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> Your user pass
[10:56] <prego> thoreauputic, I will miss those packages  ;-P it is so long being there ...
[10:56] <lizard> hi... ibm 300gl is supported by ubuntu ?
[10:56] <hypatia> mxr: run things as "sudo PROGRAM" when logged in as you.
[10:57] <hypatia> mxr: when it asks you for a password, just put in your user password.
[10:57] <schasi> hypatia: I think thats the one he forgot ;-)
[10:57] <mxr> hmm, but I can't do su with my user pass
[10:57] <thoreauputic> prego: yeah, seems cruel to wipe them out like that ;-)
[10:57] <schasi> Ok now _I_ didnt read... sry
[10:57] <hypatia> mxr: type "sudo -s" and use your user pass.
[10:57] <schasi> medz: There would if you knew which one you had installed
[10:58] <mxr> ok, i am in root now
[10:58] <mxr> so thats the way ubuntu does it instead of su?
[10:58] <lizard> hi... ibm 300gl is supported by ubuntu ?
[10:58] <bob__> Hi folks, i need some help getting divx movies running? What packages do I need to get?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> mxr: you got it :)
[10:59] <mxr> ok, nice... next question - i see alsa runing in my ps list... does this mean ubuntu uses alsa as default?
[10:59] <mxr> I need to install drivers for my nforce2 chipset to get sound
[10:59] <thoreauputic> mxr: alsa is used with 2.6.* kernels
[11:00] <mxr> aah, ok
[11:00] <thoreauputic> but there is an oss compatibility layer
[11:00] <schasi> bob__: There should be something on the ubuntulinux.org homepage
[11:00] <schasi> Did you search there and did you try the wiki?
[11:01] <bob__> schasi:Cool, thanks dude
[11:01] <mxr> for example, to install xmms I have to uncomment some lines in sources.list and then do apt-get update? are the lines there? i remember for debian i had to add them on my own
[11:02] <schasi> bob__: Did you find something?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> mxr: lines for universe repo are there
[11:02] <schasi> mxr: They are there
[11:03] <Ad-Rock> my god, this distro rules! gnome 2.10 yeah!
[11:03] <schasi> Just uncommment them. You could have looked for yourself before asking though
[11:03] <thoreauputic> mxr: if you want "multiverse" ( similar to debian non-free) you add "multiverse" after "universe"
[11:03] <bob__> schasi:Not yet, browsing through now
[11:03] <membreya> anyone else getting slow speeds from security.ubuntu.com?
[11:03] <schasi> Is gnome 2.10 on the hoary install cd or do i have to grab the preview for it?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: no, my 56k connection is like lightning....
[11:04] <membreya> ewwww
[11:04] <thoreauputic> :P
[11:04] <membreya> im only getting like 40kB/s :(
[11:04] <Ad-Rock> schasi, i just upgraded to hoary
[11:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: my heart bleeds for you, poor chap
[11:04] <schasi> Ad-Rock: I have no internet connection here, thats the reason for the question
[11:05] <membreya> from the local mirror I get 500 - 700 kB/s :)
[11:05] <Ad-Rock> schasi: well, i dunno if its on the preview cd, but it should be
[11:06] <schasi> My question was more in the direction of "is it on the normal install cd?"
[11:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: wish I knew how to blow a raspberry on IRC....
[11:06] <Ad-Rock> schasi: nope, its not, on the install cd is 2.8
[11:06] <schasi> Nah on the install cd is 2.9.2something afaik
[11:07] <schasi> hoary
[11:07] <Ad-Rock> oh, well in warty is 2.8
[11:07] <schasi> Yup
[11:08] <Ad-Rock> hey, anyone can tell me, how to mount an ntfs partition in fstab?
[11:08] <Ad-Rock> just the umask line.. to gain access to it as a normal user
[11:08] <Agrajag> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 0
[11:08] <Agrajag> like that
[11:09] <schasi> utf8???
[11:09] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, thx
[11:09] <Agrajag> schasi: well, if you don't want lots of (invalid unicode) crap in filenames in nautilus
[11:09] <schasi> And with fat? What codepages to use there?
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> membreya: did you get that mkdvd script working?
[11:09] <Agrajag> at least, that's what fixed it for me
[11:09] <Agrajag> I don't know, I don't use fat
[11:09] <membreya> Fator_Dee: not going to try tonight, gotta go to work soon
[11:10] <schasi> Agrajag: Yep same with me but i thought that would require more codepages and som casnting and so on. Last time i mounted fat i had to do that
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> blah, work :-p
[11:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: youwork the graveyard shift?
[11:10] <membreya> tell me about it Fator_Dee but it's night shift so it's cruisy
[11:10] <schasi> How to mount a fat partition the way that the characters dont look all corrputed and wrong?
[11:10] <membreya> i work a 24x7 roster thoreauputic ...but I'm quitting in a few month
[11:10] <membreya> s
[11:10] <membreya> I figure happiness is worth more than the job I have ..it's 50k ...but depressed..so gotta leave work :)
[11:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, good move - work should not be depressing
[11:12] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, i get this mount: /media/windows not mounted already, or bad option
[11:12] <Agrajag> what
[11:12] <Agrajag> what does your fstab line say, and what did you try to do?
[11:13] <Ad-Rock> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec  0 0
[11:13] <Ad-Rock> thats my fstab line
[11:13] <Ad-Rock> and what i tried to do was mount -a -o remount
[11:13] <thoreauputic> users,ro
[11:14] <Agrajag> what if you just try mount /media/windows?
[11:14] <fusion88> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=90789#post90789
[11:15] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, well as a root it mounts, but i cant access to it as a user
[11:15] <Agrajag> oh, add the users option
[11:15] <Agrajag> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 0
[11:15] <Agrajag> like that
[11:15] <fusion88> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=90789#post90789
[11:16] <Agrajag> you should be able to mount/unmount it at will
[11:16] <Agrajag> not even as root
[11:16] <Ad-Rock> well.. same thing
[11:17] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ cd /media/windows/
[11:17] <Ad-Rock> bash: cd: /media/windows/: Permission denied
[11:17] <Agrajag> really, you can mount it as a normal user but not see its files?
[11:17] <Agrajag> what are the permissions on that directory?
[11:17] <Agrajag> ls -ld /media/windows
[11:17] <Ad-Rock> nope, i cant mount it as a user, i can mount it as a root
[11:17] <Agrajag> Even with the users option in fstab?
[11:18] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ ls -ld /media/windows/
[11:18] <Ad-Rock> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /media/windows/
[11:18] <Ad-Rock> yes
[11:18] <Agrajag> oh
[11:18] <Agrajag> sudo chmod 555 /media/windows
[11:18] <Agrajag> that should fix it
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ sudo chmod 555 /media/windows
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> Password:
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/windows': Read-only file system
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ cd /media/windows/
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> bash: cd: /media/windows/: Permission denied
[11:19] <Blackice1963> hello tester
[11:19] <Agrajag> wait what
[11:20] <Agrajag> is that mounted right now?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: even root has only r-x on that dir
[11:20] <Agrajag> that's as it should be
[11:20] <Agrajag> is it mounted right now?
[11:20] <Ad-Rock> yes
[11:20] <Agrajag> unmount it
[11:20] <Ad-Rock> ok
[11:20] <Agrajag> then change perms
[11:21] <Agrajag> though I don't see why it would say that's read-only...
[11:21] <Agrajag> wait
[11:21] <Agrajag> are you on a livecd?
[11:21] <Ad-Rock> nope
[11:21] <Agrajag> oh ok
[11:21] <linux_galor1> hai folks
[11:21] <Agrajag> well unmount it, then change perms, then mount it
[11:21] <Ad-Rock> well, i guess that maybe coz ntfs is read only on linux
[11:21] <Ad-Rock> ok
[11:21] <Agrajag> and tell me if it claims to be a read-only filesystem again
[11:21] <linux_galor1> Ad-Rock: ntfs is read and write and erase and move in Linux of you use captive
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: my /mnt/winXP has 755 perms
[11:22] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: that's nice
[11:22] <linux_galor1> if
[11:22] <thoreauputic> not 555
[11:22] <Agrajag> writing is a bad idea
[11:22] <Agrajag> so it should be 555
[11:22] <linux_galor1> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[11:22] <Agrajag> unless you're using captive
[11:22] <Ad-Rock> nothing, damn
[11:22] <Agrajag> but I trust that about as far as I could spit a rat
[11:22] <Agrajag> Ad-Rock: try changing it to something else, like /mnt/windows
[11:22] <Ad-Rock> ok
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: erm, the rwr part refers to *access* , not writing  per se , and that was the default on creation : do you see the point?
[11:23] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: no, because that has nothign to do with his problem
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: OK
[11:23] <Agrajag> the owner having write perms doesn't matter
[11:24] <Agrajag> mine is dr-xr-xr-x
[11:24] <Agrajag> as it should be, for a read-only FS
[11:24] <Ad-Rock> nothing
[11:24] <Agrajag> ok... this is weird
[11:25] <ace2001ac> is gnome help broken in hoary currently?
[11:25] <Ad-Rock> someone on this same channel told me like 2 weeks ago the line.. but i forgot it
[11:25] <Agrajag> line for what?
[11:25] <Agrajag> the fstab one?
[11:25] <Agrajag> I know for a fact the one I gave you works, because I use it myself
[11:25] <Ad-Rock> yeah, and i worked back then
[11:25] <Agrajag> on 3 filesystems
[11:25] <Agrajag> so something is screwed up
[11:26] <Ad-Rock> yeah
[11:26] <mxr> one thing i don't get. ubuntu has apt-get but when trying to install mplayer-custom i get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:26] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, are u on hoary?
[11:26] <Agrajag> yes
[11:26] <Agrajag> but it also worked in warty
[11:27] <Agrajag> and in gentoo before that
[11:27] <Agrajag> and mandrake 9 before that
[11:27] <Ad-Rock> im on hoary too
[11:27] <thoreauputic> mxr: which means you don't have the right repos for mplayer-custom
[11:27] <Ad-Rock> shit, this what i call bad luck...
[11:28] <mxr> thoreauputic, so what should i do now?
[11:28] <Agrajag> well,
[11:28] <Agrajag> I wish I could help you
[11:28] <scizzo> what is the problem?
[11:28] <linux_galor1> mxr: should be using synaptic
[11:28] <Agrajag> but it's 2:30 AM, I should be alseep
[11:28] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, dont worry thx anyway
[11:28] <thoreauputic> mxr: have you read the restricted formats page, or ubuntuguide.org?
[11:28] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: what is the problem?
[11:28] <Agrajag> well good luck anyway
[11:28] <Ad-Rock> thx
[11:29] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, i cant access my ntfs partition as a user
[11:29] <mxr> linux_galor1, ok, will try that. have not used it before. just wanted to try out something new, debian based
[11:29] <mxr> thoreauputic, nope, not yet
[11:29] <mxr> thoreauputic, i should do that
[11:29] <linux_galor1> mxr: the idea of synaptic or apt-get is you dont every download anything you just add a few servers to the sources.list file and then just get apt-get or synaptic to get the package and fix the dependencies
[11:29] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: what is the fstab mount line?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:30] <thoreauputic> mxr: ^^
[11:30] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec  0 0
[11:30] <thoreauputic> mxr: http://ubuntuguide.org is also a mine of information
[11:30] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: ummm...ok?
[11:31] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, well that's my fstab line
[11:31] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: tried to use: defaults,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec
[11:31] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, ok
[11:31] <scizzo> and are you sure about the umask?
[11:31] <linux_galor1> I usually poke around google for debian servers with the "unofficial" versions of mplayer and the codecs
[11:31] <thoreauputic> scizzo: should be right for ntfs
[11:31] <scizzo> I use 3 numbers for the umask here
[11:31] <thoreauputic> scizzo: read-only
[11:32] <scizzo> thoreauputic: hmmm....yeah
[11:32] <Agrajag> scizzo: you can use 3 or 4
[11:32] <Agrajag> 0 just means you're not using a mask on setgid or setuid or sticky
[11:32] <Agrajag> 0 at the beginning there I mean
[11:33] <Agrajag> it's assumed to be zero if you use 222 instead of 0222
[11:33] <scizzo> yes yes
[11:33] <scizzo> :P
[11:33] <Ad-Rock> nothing
[11:34] <scizzo> hehe
[11:34] <scizzo> nothing?
[11:34] <Ad-Rock> nope, permission denied
[11:34] <scizzo> ls -ld /media/windows
[11:35] <Agrajag> I never had any problems with it
[11:35] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ ls -ld /mnt/windows/
[11:35] <Ad-Rock> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/
[11:36] <Agrajag> Ad-Rock: wait, you still can't change perms on it?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: congratulations
[11:36] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: its a conspiracy heh heh
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: I mean this comes up in this channel regularly
[11:36] <Agrajag> something is very messed up if you can't change that to 555
[11:37] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: I just use captive end of problem ......captive is even good for newbies because it edits the fstab file for them
[11:37] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yeah, my tinfoil hat must be wearing out
[11:38] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic:  kde has a nice fstab editor in kcontrol something I think gnome needs
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, when the partition is not mounted its 555
[11:38] <Agrajag> hm
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # umount /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # chmod 555 /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # ls -ld /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> dr-xr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2005-03-11 06:23 /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # ls -ld /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> see?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yes, but really this should be done automagically by the installer
[11:38] <scizzo> you never ever change the permissions with chmod on a win disk....
[11:38] <azriel0184> linux_galor1, i call it gedit /etc/fstab :)
[11:38] <linux_galor1> just click on the options you want for that partition/device and of it goes
[11:39] <Agrajag> scizzo: he's not changing permson the disk
[11:39] <Agrajag> he's changing perms on the mountpoint
[11:39] <linux_galor1> azriel0184: yeah but there its very easy for new users they just click on the options box's
[11:39] <scizzo> still...be very careful with chmod on another filesystem
[11:39] <Agrajag> scizzo: he;s mounting it read-only
[11:39] <Nighteyes> Hy,
[11:40] <Ad-Rock> this is so f*cked up
[11:40] <scizzo> if I where you..I would start from the beginning...
[11:40] <dud-> why is mysql turned off by defalt in the "etc/php4/apache2/php.ini " file?
[11:40] <Nighteyes> I'd like to ask your opinion in upgrading to ubuntu hoary..
[11:40] <scizzo> 1. Umount the disk that has win mounted on it
[11:40] <azriel0184> i just copy/pasted the existing entry for the / dir and modified the mountpoint and the device and i was done for my mounts
[11:40] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, do it :p
[11:40] <linux_galor1> <-- is a long time Linux users loves CLI but also admins Linux on the desktop with real people and now is a big pusher of clicky tools for newbies
[11:40] <Nighteyes> Ad-Rock It's stable enough (i'm not bother with a little unstabillity)
[11:40] <scizzo> 2. go to fstab....remove everything from the user,blaha thingy but not... defaults, umask=0222
[11:41] <Nighteyes> * ?
[11:41] <scizzo> 3. look at the persmissions on the mountpoint ls -ld /mnt/windows
[11:41] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, yeh
[11:41] <scizzo> 4. change it to the persmissions you want with chmod and chown...
[11:41] <linux_galor1> scizzo:  think about what your just posting........then think.........can an idiot do this
[11:41] <dud-> heh, this is the first linux distro I've actually used for the desktop, I'm really not sure how to get things done in linux without a cli
[11:41] <Ad-Rock> scizzo ok
[11:42] <scizzo> 5. try to mount it again and then try to see the differences between unmounted point and mounted point
[11:42] <linux_galor1> no insult intended
[11:42] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: heh - I wouldn't want an idiot setting up mount points on *my* system ;-)
[11:42] <Ad-Rock> omfg! my hdd just ticked! 2 times
[11:42] <Nighteyes> Ad-Rock And there's no any compatibillity problems because the one thing I like in ubuntu is the organization and how everything function together well.
[11:42] <azriel0184> dud, use a cli then?
[11:42] <Nighteyes> (and again, i forgot '?')
[11:43] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yes but what often amazes me is the howto for new users for "any" distro....they are just bazaar as far as Im concerned
[11:43] <RarLukT> I have a quick question... I just installed the program, and I wanna setup a network. But it asks for a Root-password. I never made one.. And the password for my account doesn't work..
[11:43] <Haasma> does anybody know  if ubuntu will start on a 333mhz celeron with 64 mb of ram?
[11:43] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, nope dont worry just do it
[11:43] <leveldoc> hi ppl - does anyone have the same problem with hoary: mozilla-thunderbird doesn't start anymore?
[11:43] <scizzo> linux_galor1: well at least I am trying to help
[11:43] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: the problem is geeks think differently and can't see why they are misunderstood :)
[11:43] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: also makes you wonder about the "just works" motto
[11:44] <schasi> leveldoc: Do you know why?
[11:44] <azriel0184> Haasma, possibly, but it definently wont be prity
[11:44] <oz_> hi all - what's the best place for info on installing a TV tuner card (winfast tv 2000 xp)
[11:44] <schasi> leveldoc: And if you dont, why do you use hoary in the first place ;-) lets see
[11:44] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yes, *this* should "just work"
[11:44] <Nighteyes> Ad-Rock Thx :-) And all's left is just to change the apt source and quit the console and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[11:44] <leveldoc> schasi: nope. :-) This is what the output is:
[11:44] <scizzo> linux_galor1: I am working as a systemtengineer and in my work the impossible things also needs to be looked at even though you get nothing about how things work in the beginning...
[11:44] <schasi> leveldoc: Try to start it via terminal and look for the errormessages
[11:44] <leveldoc>  ***** Registering: Clean Compreg! ****
[11:44] <leveldoc> observe:
[11:44] <leveldoc> nothing here: null
[11:44] <leveldoc> observe called
[11:44] <leveldoc> FILE: [xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] *** loading the extensions datasource
[11:44] <leveldoc> this keeps repeating and repeating and ....
[11:44] <linux_galor1> scizzo: yes I know but Im trying to make people think about what there saying......to me and you this is everyday stuff for normal people its all some weird new language they dont have time to stuff around with
[11:44] <Haasma> i dried core 4.01 or something like that and it didnt start? why?
[11:45] <RarLukT> Is there a standard root-password?
[11:45] <scizzo> linux_galor1: what do you want me todo? create a script?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> could people *PLEASE* not paste more than four lines in here?
[11:45] <scizzo> linux_galor1: login and do it myself to see what happens?
[11:45] <linux_galor1> scizzo: no poke the ubuntu people ....
[11:45] <scizzo> linux_galor1: what? what do you expect of me?
[11:45] <scizzo> I will shut up now then
[11:45] <leveldoc> thoreauputic: sorry about that. Won't happen again.
[11:46] <schasi> leveldoc: Since when do you have that problem? and what did you do before it broke?
[11:46] <Haasma> bye bye
[11:46] <thoreauputic> leveldoc: OK - wasn't just for you ;)
[11:46] <linux_galor1> scizzo: Im not putting down what you are doing but what my question is ..why doesnt it work
[11:46] <hayden> what is the default username and pass for folders shared using    System->Administration->Shared Folders
[11:46] <leveldoc> schasi: that happend after dist-upgrade to hoary. I had no problems before. I tried renaming my profile directory (so that it would create a new one, which it did), but to no avail.
[11:47] <thoreauputic> scizzo: i don't think anyone is belittling your efforts to help :)
[11:47] <leveldoc> schasi: I tried re-installing it as well.
[11:47] <schasi> leveldoc: Im puzzled and confused
[11:48] <pepperpot> I'm trying to run quake2 and am getting: LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[11:48] <leveldoc> schasi: welcome in my world! :-)
[11:48] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, yes, just change where it says warty for hoary, and then sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:48] <schasi> leveldoc: Sry cant help here, waaaay to noob for it
[11:48] <cafuego> stop accusing me
[11:48] <scizzo> linux_galor1: that is what I was trying to find out by doing the steps for him....
[11:48] <leveldoc> can anyone else help me?
[11:48] <scizzo> linux_galor1: I wrote 1. do this... 2. do that.. etc...
[11:48] <schasi> leveldoc: But you upgraded to hoary which is not stable. Can happen ;-)
[11:49] <linux_galor1> I used to run around throwing all the cryptic Linux/Unix stuff around until I realised most people are too embarrassed to say they havent got a clue what your saying so go along with it then just reboot delete Linux and go back to windows
[11:49] <scizzo> linux_galor1: if he gets stuck at some point he can always ask again about the step....
[11:49] <schasi> leveldoc: Did you search for it? I dont think anyone in here can help you
[11:49] <netdur> hey people, what do you use to listen to music (mp3)?
[11:49] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, i did the four steps, the permissions change when i mount the partition, and still i cant access as a user
[11:49] <jsc> nice job on hoary guys..... installed on an amd64 laptop without a hitch
[11:49] <Ad-Rock> netdur, xmms
[11:49] <thoreauputic> scizzo: the pont we were discussing was "why is this not handled by the installer?"
[11:49] <leveldoc> schasi: sure it can. Just didn't think something like mozilla-thunderbird would fail... as it is fairly stable.
[11:49] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: what are the permissions?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> *point
[11:49] <scizzo> thoreauputic: good questions
[11:49] <leveldoc> yes, I did last night. Maybe I should try again today?
[11:49] <scizzo> thoreauputic: -s
[11:50] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: correct.....this isnt a just works thing anymore so by definition its broken
[11:50] <netdur> thanks
[11:50] <scizzo> but then again...you need to find the source of the problem don't you?
[11:50] <schasi> leveldoc: Wait until it is fiexed ;-)
[11:50] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: and appears not to have been fixed in hoary
[11:50] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, with the partition umounted: dr-xr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2005-03-11 06:23 /mnt/windows/
[11:50] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: not good
[11:50] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: ok...and mounted?
[11:50] <leveldoc> ok, another thing: how do KDE applications interface with the sound solution that has been found in hoary?
[11:50] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, with the partition mounted: dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/
[11:51] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: need to tell the ubuntu team
[11:51] <leveldoc> I guess it's esd again, isn't it?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: have you tried mounting as a user?
[11:51] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: artsd
[11:51] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: hmm..nothing changed then
[11:51] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: just install that?
[11:51] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, nope just as root
[11:51] <RarLukT> Quick question; Is there a standard root-password?
[11:51] <schasi> artsd is for kde and esd for gnome, right?
[11:51] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: for some reason it seems like the umask is not being used when mounting it...or something simular
[11:51] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: artsd should be installed when kde is installed
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: try it as a user
[11:51] <schasi> RarLukT: There is no root ;-)
[11:51] <zeedo> RarLukT: the password for root isnt set
[11:52] <zeedo> RarLukT: use sudo
[11:52] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: artsd can be managed under kcontrol or use kmix
[11:52] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: well, I don't want KDE installed, I just need two applications to run (under GNOME): kile and skype.
[11:52] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, eleazar@wombat:~ $ mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[11:52] <Ad-Rock> mount: only root can do that
[11:52] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: yeah bit of a bummer that
[11:52] <leveldoc> and especially skype needs access to microphone and speakers. Worked with Warty without any problems.
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: try just mount /mnt/windows
[11:52] <RarLukT> sudo?
[11:53] <zeedo> RarLukT: man sudo
[11:53] <schasi> sudo!
[11:53] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: kde has been integrating most of its stuff
[11:53] <thoreauputic> that error always happens if you do it with /dev
[11:53] <schasi> How comes i need some sound servers and the like to have more than one thing making noise at once for linux?
[11:53] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: try instaling the artsd sound server
[11:53] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, eleazar@wombat:~ $ mount /mnt/windows/
[11:53] <Ad-Rock> mount: can't find /mnt/windows in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:53] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: so what do I need to do in order to get it working? Disable esd for GNOME and have everything use OSS?
[11:53] <RarLukT> Zeedo: What do you mean by sudo?
[11:53] <Ad-Rock> and its on fstab
[11:54] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: ?
[11:54] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: well kde uses oss or alsa
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: weirder and weirder
[11:54] <Ad-Rock> oh wait
[11:54] <leveldoc> ok, so OSS is the way to go then. I disable ESD in the Sound Settings of GNOME, right?
[11:54] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, i removed, users,ro from fstab
[11:54] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: no i run both works fine
[11:54] <leveldoc> then I switch everything over to use OSS directly and I am done, correct?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: ls -ld /etc/fstab    ?
[11:55] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: so where do I need to look up the reason why skape fails to access my speaker and microphone?
[11:55] <johso> Hey peeps ;)
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: ah, yes I think you'll need "users" :)
[11:55] <leveldoc> or better yet, what's changed since warty regarding this?
[11:55] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: dont know
[11:55] <leveldoc> ok
[11:55] <leveldoc> thanks anyway
[11:56] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, and ro?
[11:56] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[11:56] <zeedo> RarLukT: sudo is a command for allowing you to run programs as root
[11:56] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: try that once instead of using fstab thingy
[11:56] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: won't do any harm (I have it here)
[11:56] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, as root?
[11:56] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: yes
[11:57] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: I am just trying to find answers on the NTFS page for Linux now...
[11:57] <johso> I've got my wireless working here, but I need to do a 'sudo modprobe acerhk usedritek=1 autowlan=1 force_series=290' and then 'echo 1 > /proc/drivers/acerhk/wirelessd' everytime I start up. Could I somehow get this done automatic on startup?
[11:57] <Ad-Rock> scizzo: it worked!
[11:57] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: hmmm
[11:58] <pepperpot> Does the current hoary quake2 package work for anyone here?
[11:58] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, how do i put that exact line in fstab?
[11:58] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: the fstab line should be: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,umask=0222 0 0
[11:58] <scizzo> or something like that
[11:59] <thoreauputic> johso: write it as a script, put it in /etc/init.d, then use update-rc.d to make the links
[11:59] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.1
[11:59] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: there is the info I found
[12:00] <johso> thoreauputic: - what about the password it asks for when I do a sudo first time?
[12:00] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: you can start with ro,umask=0222 then try to see if you can add other things to that line....
[12:00] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: to restrict it or change thingys... :)
[12:00] <thoreauputic> johso: although the modprobe part can be short-cicuited by putting the module in /etc/modules
[12:00] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, thx so much man, really
[12:01] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: no problem
[12:01] <thoreauputic> johso: startup scripts run as root - sudo isn't required
[12:01] <johso> thoreauputic: ahh, I see :)
[12:02] <johso> thoreauputic: however, I've not really got an idea of how to make a startup script?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> johso: essentially, you just put your commands in a file, one per line, with #!/bin/sh as the top line, save the file, make it executable
[12:04] <thoreauputic> johso: lots of begining howtos on scripting on the web
[12:04] <jesuel> hah, the punisher is a good movie
[12:05] <thoreauputic> johso: yours will be quite easy to write, since you already know the commands
[12:06] <thoreauputic> johso: use gedit or whatever editor you feel comfortable with
[12:07] <Elephantman> hi
[12:07] <Elephantman> does anyone know if hoary final will include kernel 2.6.11 ?
[12:08] <johso> thoreauputic: got it - but making it executable?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> johso: chmod +x yourscript
[12:08] <Myrtti> chmod
[12:09] <johso> oh, ofc! thanks :D
[12:09] <hayden> whats the command to see the shared folders on computers on the network
[12:09] <Ad-Rock> well guys, im gonna get some sleep, thx for all cya all
[12:10] <thoreauputic> johso: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << not a bad intro
[12:11] <johso> thx!
[12:11] <johso> Is it necessary to reboot after this, or is ctrl-alt-backspace enough?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> johso: although that will tell you *much* more than you need to know to make your startup script :D
[12:12] <thoreauputic> johso: to test the script, you would need to reboot, (easier) or after update-rc.d is finished, do /etc/init.d/myscript start
[12:13] <johso> thoreauputic: Well, as long as it's not totally unimportant information, I think I'll survive..
[12:13] <thoreauputic> johso: man update-rc.d will tell you the steps
[12:13] <Guinea> Hi!
[12:14] <thoreauputic> johso: oh, no - that tut is quite good, and useful if you want to write other scripts
[12:14] <Guinea> When I try to start a program, it says: "ImportError: No module named gtk" - What can I do?
[12:16] <Nermal> Elephantman, I expect so
[12:16] <Elephantman> you expect ?
[12:17] <johso> also, another, gnome related, problem I have, is that when I browse through folders, each folder opens in a new windows. that's just extremely annoying, so how do I disable this?
[12:18] <wezzer-> johso: press shift while you double click folder
[12:18] <Myrtti> oh btw, is there a way of setting OpenOffice to use a certain location/locales-file, keeping the whole other system in English?
[12:18] <dmouritsendk> johso, you can change the default in gconf
[12:18] <wezzer-> or then click the folder on right button and secelt "browse"
[12:18] <thoreauputic> johso: I feel your pain :/  In warty at least, you can choose "open as browser"
[12:18] <wezzer-> or then like dmouritsendk said
[12:19] <zbowling> http://polystimulus.com/Screenshot-WeatherSharp.png
[12:20] <dmouritsendk> johso,  (using gconf-editor, select /apps/nautilus/preferences/ and set always_use_browser to true)
[12:20] <johso> pressing shift is better, but it's still annoying that the height/width changes all the time ..
[12:20] <thoreauputic> johso: in the nautilus file manager, under edit >> preferences >> behaviour, there is "always open as browser'  (in warty)
[12:20] <njan> Anyone any clue why alsa in warty would just have broken such that it's totally unlistenable to because of obscene distortion? This happened to me in hoary with the same card a few weeks back :(
[12:21] <johso> Thanks guys, this is much, much, much better! :D
[12:22] <johso> But I still wonder why the default is like that, I don't think that anybody likes it.
[12:23] <johso> someone got a good link to icons? my mplayer icon has white background, which makes it stand out from the rest, looks kind of stupid..
[12:23] <thoreauputic> johso: indeed, I don't understand it either: in fact I now use a different file manager whenever possible
[12:23] <thoreauputic> rox filer
[12:23] <thoreauputic> johso: well, make one in the gimp with a transparent b'ground, and save it as .png ;-)
[12:24] <johso> is it good? maybe a bit prettier?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> rox? It's very configurable and quick
[12:24] <johso> mkai, maybe I should try it... Where to get?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> but it takes a bit of setting up
[12:25] <thoreauputic> hmm - warty or hoary?
[12:25] <johso> Warty...
[12:25] <nikls> I have an ASUS Z8GP30 laptop and I installed Ubuntu on it hoping it would automatically install the wifi but it didn't. I don't know how to install wifi, can someone help me.
[12:25] <zbowling> http://polystimulus.com/Screenshot-WeatherSharp.png mono rules.. crap app I wrote in 3 minutes to get the current weather forcast.. needs some UI love but I can do that in a few more minutes
[12:25] <dmouritsendk> johso, u could also check http://art.gnome.org/art-icons/ or http://www.gnomelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=120&PHPSESSID=da1a610f419c92b476459fa174ec5afe to find other icons if u dont wanna mess with it urself
[12:26] <thoreauputic> johso: I have a deb here, if you like I can dcc it to you
[12:26] <johso> I would appreciate that, thank you.
[12:27] <johso> dmouritsendk: thx mate :)
[12:27] <thoreauputic> offered, johso
[12:28] <thoreauputic> johso: can you accept the dcc?
[12:28] <johso> I did..?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> did you highlight it first?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> not moving here
[12:29] <johso> ehm - not sure, but I think I got it?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> no, it hasn't moved
[12:29] <johso> I'm using Opera here, maybe there is some kind of interuption between?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> ah
[12:29] <thoreauputic> do you have xchat?
[12:29] <johso> nope, haven't got the file..
[12:29] <thoreauputic> you must, since you have ubuntu :)
[12:30] <thoreauputic> OK Opera doesn't like it, I guess
[12:31] <zbowling> Opera?
[12:31] <johso> well, give it one try more, maybe I did something wrong - then I'll try xchat..
[12:31] <zbowling> no comment
[12:31] <johso> It can't be true that my beloved Opera could do such a thing ;)
[12:31] <envel> Where is the grub menu.lst located?
[12:32] <envel> help please
[12:32] <Myrtti> envel: locate menu.lst?
[12:32] <envel> aahhh...!
[12:32] <envel> not working:(
[12:32] <thoreauputic> johso: offering it again
[12:32] <johso> nah, nothing new there - I'll try xchat..
[12:32] <Myrtti> envel: without the questionmark?
[12:32] <johso_> thoreauputic, here...
[12:33] <Myrtti> :-)
[12:33] <thoreauputic> johso, BTW I'm on dialup - so it will take a few minutes to upload ;)
[12:33] <envel> Myrty: it says: could not open database
[12:33] <envel> sorry, Myrtti
[12:33] <johso> thoreauputic: dialup? hmm, may I ask why?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> johso, poverty ?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[12:34] <envel> Where is the grub config file menu.lst located?
[12:34] <thoreauputic>  /boot
[12:34] <envel> ah-ha! thanks
[12:34] <johso> thoreauputic: allrighty then ;) but dial-up would be more expensive than cabel here...
[12:35] <thoreauputic> johso, heh, not in australia
[12:35] <johso> thoreauputic: one word: scary :P
[12:36] <johso> thoreauputic: If it will take a few minutes, I think I'll just reboot to see if my script works, and then you can send it :)
[12:41] <RickX> can someone point me to docs on how to use a ram stick or removable drive for configs, settings and /home?
[12:42] <ubuseer> I've been searching through the forums about enabling scrollwheel on a synaptic touchpad on a gateway 200x laptop, does anyone have any success with that?
[12:42] <johso> And it works without a single prob. Beautiful :)
[12:42] <thoreauputic> RickX: any forum for knoppix, or damnsmall linux
[12:42] <RickX> ... that would be using the LiveCD
[12:43] <thoreauputic> johso: so, you are a bash guru now ! *grin*
[12:43] <RickX> thoreauputic: the same scan command works for Ubuntu as for Knoppix?
[12:43] <johso> thoreauputic: Yir! lol
[12:43] <thoreauputic> RickX: I don't know, sorry - have you tried?
[12:44] <johso> thoreauputic: This reboot reminded my of one thing - everytime I boot up, it's almost "stopping" at 'Configuring network interfaces' - is this a common problem or what?
[12:44] <RickX> thoreauputic: no. I just DLed the LiveCD iso.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> johso: were you online?
[12:44] <RickX> I don't supose it will hurt anyting to try it.
[12:45] <thoreauputic> RickX: yeah, you can yell at me if it doesn't ;-)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> johso: are you on xchat now?
[12:46] <RickX> thoreauputic: I will be at work then :-) ... I'll probably be playing with some LiveCDs this weekend, though.
[12:46] <RickX> thanks.
[12:47] <johso_> thoreauputic, I'm on both, this is xchat
[12:47] <ubuseer> has anyone have any success with enabling the scrollwheel on a touchpad in ubuntu?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> OK - here it comes, at a bou 3k/sec if you're lucky ;)
[12:48] <johso_> lol!
[12:48] <thoreauputic> Ok it's going..
[12:48] <johso_> I'm lucky!
[12:48] <thoreauputic> hehe
[12:49] <thoreauputic> you'll find it in ~/.xchat2/
[12:50] <thoreauputic> johso, ~/.xchat2/Downloads I believe...
[12:50] <thoreauputic> unless you changed the default
[12:50] <thoreauputic> wow, 390 kb already!
[12:50] <johso> thoreauputic: haven't been using xchat, so i haven't... (at least I don't think so) :P
[12:51] <thoreauputic> I used to use Opera, but i stopped using it last year
[12:51] <johso> Why?
[12:51] <johso> Why would anyone want to do that? :S
[12:51] <thoreauputic> firefox does all I want, with extensions
[12:51] <goldfish> lol
[12:51] <thoreauputic> haha
[12:51] <goldfish> opera is faster
[12:52] <johso> indeed gold, indeed!
[12:52] <thoreauputic> johso, also, it's "unfree" ;)
[12:52] <goldfish> firefox is quite slow on ubuntu
[12:52] <goldfish> even with the ipv6 tweek
[12:52] <goldfish> i may try some other browser
[12:52] <goldfish> s
[12:52] <schasi> ipv6 tweak?
[12:52] <goldfish> yeah
[12:52] <schasi> links?
[12:52] <schasi> link
[12:52] <thoreauputic> goldfish: if you want *fast*, try dillo
[12:52] <goldfish> ubuntuguide.org schasi
[12:52] <goldfish> in tips and tricks section
[12:52] <thoreauputic> but dillo is kind of limiting...
[12:53] <goldfish> ah right
[12:53] <johso> thoreauputic: true, but you know, but something is worth paying for :)
[12:53] <thoreauputic> johso I wasn't referring to price ;)  free as in "free speech"
[12:54] <thoreauputic> OK the send is complete, it seems
[12:54] <johso> thoreauputic: uhm - I'm so not following you :P
[12:54] <johso> like when ppl talk 'bout it?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[12:55] <thoreauputic> johso, that explains "free"
[12:56] <johso> thoreauputic: well, then it's still somehow related to the price ;)
[12:56] <thoreauputic> I think the only "non free" prog I have is Real Player ( for listening to the BBC)
[12:57] <johso> Couldn't you find a alternative for that?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> johso. so you found your rox deb?
[12:57] <johso> thoreauputic: aye - I'm just about to install
[12:57] <thoreauputic> johso, real use proprietary codecs, as far as I know
[12:58] <ritalin> hola
[12:58] <goldfish> hi
[12:58] <alejandro> hola ritalin
[12:58] <ritalin> Im getting ready to try ubuntu
[12:58] <ritalin> looks neat
[12:59] <johso> thoreauputic: any notes before I install it? ;)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> just do sudo dpkg -i
[12:59] <thoreauputic> you probably know that
[12:59] <ritalin> Will I be able to upgrade from a preview release of hoary to the official when it comes out?
[12:59] <ritalin> or will i need a reinstall?
[12:59] <johso> yea, I do ;)
[01:00] <sal002> s there a lightweight wm in ubuntu? that I can insyall via apt-get?
[01:00] <alejandro> alguno que hable espaol x la sala?
[01:00] <sal002> or how do I search debs?
[01:01] <ritalin> im guessing apt-get search "foo"
[01:01] <johso> thoreauputic: installed - now what?
[01:01] <ritalin> although ive only used fink on os x
[01:01] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search "foo"
[01:01] <minimal> hi, I have a problem with my Ubuntu linux
[01:01] <sal002> rit: nope :P
[01:01] <thoreauputic> johso: http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/
[01:02] <dmouritsendk> sal002, might wanna take a peek @ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[01:02] <thoreauputic> johso: just type rox in a terminal
[01:02] <minimal> i tried to add to the grub config another system to boot but it still doesn't want to boot anything else than ubuntu
[01:02] <johso> thoreauputic: found out - but can I make it default opener?
[01:02] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I setup multiple monitors?  I have 3 monitors, one card is an ATI9200se (AGP), and the other card is an ATI9200 (PCI).  Currently the same desktop is being displayed on both monitors on my PCI card.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> johso: not really - all of the gnome desktop is tied to nautilus
[01:03] <ritalin> So did anyone know?
[01:03] <ritalin> if you will be able to upgrade preview releases?
[01:03] <ritalin> when official comes out
[01:03] <johso> thoreauputic: okay..
[01:03] <thoreauputic> johso: in rox, right-click >> help
[01:04] <minimal> anyone here willing to help?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> the help is quite good
[01:04] <saciits> does anyone has dcgui-qt working on hoary
[01:04] <sal002> dmouritsendk: Thanks!
[01:04] <thoreauputic> ritalin: sure, just keep doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:04] <ritalin> thoreauputic: ty
[01:04] <johso> thoreauputic: But it does open in Firefox, eventhough Opera is default :P
[01:05] <dmouritsendk> sal002, no problem :)
[01:05] <ritalin> njan: you sad?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> johso: that's a gnome issue
[01:05] <ritalin> Im bouncing off the walls here
[01:05] <ritalin> big ole pot of coffee
[01:05] <njan> ritalin, I'm unhappy because alsa is screwed and I have no clue why. I think the problem which crippled my hoary has made it into warty.
[01:05] <minimal> how to add another system to boot to the grub??
[01:05] <thoreauputic> ritalin: we noticed ;-)
[01:06] <njan> ritalin, and unfortunately, alsa is one of the few things I use practically 12 hours a day
[01:06] <ritalin> njan: that sucks
[01:06] <saciits> does anyone has dcgui-qt working on hoary?
[01:06] <ritalin> Id offer help but im a OS X user
[01:06] <njan> ritalin, heh
[01:06] <ritalin> my sound just works
[01:06] <thoreauputic> minimal: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:07] <njan> ritalin, I'm seriously considering distro. Unfortunately, things seem to break for me in ubuntu more than I should, but I switched to ubuntu because it's stabler as a desktop than any other distro I've used :(
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: just out of interest, how did you do the "registered" symbol?
[01:07] <njan> s/considering distro/considering switching distro/
[01:07] <minimal> thoreauputic, i did that already but it still doesn't work :/
[01:07] <ritalin> thoreauputic: alt-r
[01:07] <Kvark> i downloaded new fonts and now i got TTF files but have no idea what to do with them, please help
[01:07] <thoreauputic> minimal: well, sounds like you got it wrong...
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: thanks
[01:07] <ritalin>
[01:07] <jesuel> njan: ubuntu has been basically perfect for me. Ive not broken it beyond fixing yet.
[01:08] <sal002> Anyone here use x2x?
[01:08] <njan> jesuel, it's been really good for me too. Alsa is the first thing to seriously break.
[01:08] <dmouritsendk> njan, what kind of work are you using you computer for (and what apps give u problems?)
[01:08] <jesuel> what did you do to it?
[01:08] <minimal> thoreauputic, would you be so kind and tell me how to do it right? :)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ritalin: doesn't do it here :(
[01:08] <ritalin> Well im getting ready to delete my os x and install ubuntu so hopefully i wont have the same issues
[01:08] <njan> dmouritsendk, nothing terribly exciting, and no apps in particular - alsa is just totally screwed; there's massive distortion irrespective of whether I'm using alsa or oss emulation and irrespective of what I use to play audio.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> minimal: maybe someone with grub experience - I used lilo until last month :)
[01:09] <njan> jesuel, nothing, it just broke.  I remember my first impression was, 'wtf no MP3 support'
[01:16] <thoreauputic> jimarko: several in Australia for example
[01:16] <Vjaz> jimarko: (joke, which probably no one got...)
[01:16] <jimarko> lol
[01:16] <jesuel> jimarko: that was easily fixed, but anyhow.
[01:17] <jimarko> yeh, i know it was, but after using Mandrake 8.3 before that, i was expecting it out of the box
[01:17] <jesuel> I actually used rh up to release 9, then migrated to debian, now its ubuntu.
[01:17] <jesuel> I started rh with 5.2
[01:17] <jimarko> Yeh, i was loving RH9, the i went to debian for my games servers, then back to Fedora c2 and c3, now i've 'come home' to Ubuntu
[01:18] <thoreauputic> jesuel: I tried rh8 - it stayed on my machine for 1 day before I installed Debian :)
[01:18] <jesuel> thoreauputic: lol. I didnt know any better.
[01:18] <thoreauputic> neither did I at the time :)
[01:18] <jimarko> I asked my question before about where the Ubuntu Team was from because i noticed a bit of a New Zealand influence :)
[01:18] <ritalin> ubuntu come with java?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> RPMs drove me nuts
[01:18] <jesuel> I came from a irix and solaris background
[01:19] <jesuel> I still have 3 sun boxes at home, and 2 sgi's
[01:19] <jesuel> did i mention, i hate solaris.... :)
[01:19] <ritalin> My only nix experince is fbsd and gentoo
[01:19] <thoreauputic> jimarko: I assume there's a bit of South African influence at the top ;)
[01:19] <ritalin> OS X if you wanna count that as a nix
[01:19] <jimarko> its cool tho, it gave me the first impression of 'hippy'
[01:19] <jesuel> osx is kinda interesting.
[01:20] <thoreauputic> ritalin: it sort of is - buried rather deep though
[01:20] <jesuel> I dont think ill ever have a computer with it though.
[01:20] <jimarko> lol, osx + LDAP + active directory + high server load = high blood pressure
[01:20] <ritalin> I just really like gnome is why im switching
[01:20] <jesuel> I really like gnome too :)
[01:20] <ritalin> gnome keeps getting better and better
[01:20] <thoreauputic> jesuel: I run it in mac-on-linux for windows media ( irony!)
[01:21] <jesuel> As long as your computer is fast enough to handle all the eyecandy.
[01:21] <jesuel> thoreauputic: ....
[01:21] <jimarko> Hey are there any Ubuntu Doom3'ers here? PM me if ya are, i wanna chat about a couple of issues (plz)
[01:21] <thoreauputic> linux is much snappier on ppc than mac OS-X
[01:21] <CosaNostra> Somebody here willing to help me with installing soundcard drivers..?
[01:21] <jimarko> thoreauputic: I whacked Yellow Dog on a mac, and it runs sweet
[01:22] <ritalin> CosaNostra: im not expert but you should just ask, not ask to ask
[01:22] <jesuel> I gotta see ubuntu-ppc one of these days
[01:22] <jesuel> ubuntu on a athlon 64 is very fast.
[01:22] <ritalin> anything on athlon 64 is
[01:22] <ritalin> uber arch
[01:22] <thoreauputic> jimarko: yes, ubuntu ppc is impressive too (haven't used yellow dog)
[01:22] <jesuel> Heck my machine feels faster than my dual sparc desktop at work.
[01:22] <jimarko> I want a fast NVidia card, cos ATI UT2004 linux is giving me hell
[01:23] <ritalin> 6800
[01:23] <jesuel> i play ati ut2004 linux
[01:23] <jesuel> shrug, works fine
[01:23] <jimarko> Yeh? really
[01:23] <jimarko> what drivers do you use?
[01:23] <jesuel> standard fglrx
[01:23] <jesuel> im in hoary.
[01:23] <jimarko> oh
[01:23] <ritalin> you hoar
[01:23] <ritalin> :P
[01:24] <jesuel> Im getting nice framerates with everything turned up max tooo
[01:24] <jesuel> mind you this is a laptop :)
[01:24] <jimarko> hrm.. i use the standard fglrx drivers, and yeh, frame-rate is good, just choppy. All my other games (NWN, q3, ET, stepmania, doom3, etc) all run sweet, but its only UT2004 that has the choppiness problem
[01:24] <ritalin> thoreauputic: did ubuntu  congif x11 for a lcd and power manage etc etc
[01:25] <ritalin> did it handle all the laptop specific issues is what im asking
[01:25] <jesuel> q3 i get no sound. Ive never played et. Dont know what stepmania is. Doom3, never played it yet.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ritalin: not suspend/sleep
[01:25] <jimarko> it used to run sweet on win32, but on linux (FC3, Ubuntu) it ran bad
[01:25] <ritalin> ahh
[01:25] <ritalin> Do your sound buttons work in linux?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ritalin: the modem is unsupported as well
[01:26] <jimarko> q3 is probably a /dev/dsp permissions problem. just add yourself to the 'audio' group using usermod
[01:26] <thoreauputic> sound buttons are fine
[01:26] <A-L-P-H-A> can someone tell me how to update firefox to version 1.01?  As it's not listed in the software updates.
[01:26] <jesuel> jimarko: have you patched ut2004?
[01:26] <jimarko> 3355?
[01:26] <jimarko> (at least i think thats the patchlevel im on)
[01:26] <jesuel> jimarko: IT freez's when i connect to a server if i have sound enabled
[01:27] <jesuel> heck if i know, its the latest patch they put out.
[01:27] <jimarko> jesuel: yeh, i updated a couple of days back
[01:27] <jesuel> not that i need sound for q3. :)
[01:27] <jimarko> lol, 1337
[01:27] <jimarko> heeh
[01:27] <jesuel> I just play instagib on q3dm17
[01:27] <jesuel> all i need to do is barely see you and youre dead
[01:28] <jimarko> my fave map ATM is Deck17 on ut2004. Ah, nostalgia
[01:28] <jesuel> Ah, i just started playing ut2004
[01:28] <jesuel> never played ut2003 or the original ut much.
[01:29] <jimarko> so with UT2004, did you install and custom updates or libraries to get it cranking well? (such as any custom openAL drivers)
[01:29] <jesuel> nope
[01:29] <jimarko> I hardly played ut, except for CTF-face.
[01:29] <jimarko> ok, could ya give us a rundown of your sys specs
[01:30] <jimarko> MSI K7N2G MB, Athlon XP 1800+, 512 DDR400 SDRAM, ATI 9800 PRO 128MB, SB LIVE! emk10k1, 120 GB Western Digital
[01:30] <jimarko> theres mine
[01:32] <jesuel> jimarko: amd64 3200+, laptop mobo, 1gb ddr 400 ram, ati radeon 9700 mobility 128mb, onboard sound via82xxx, 60gb 7200 rpn hitachi laptop drive :)
[01:32] <jimarko> ah, amd64
[01:32] <jimarko> that could have something to do with it
[01:32] <jesuel> basically, a smoking laptop
[01:32] <jimarko> yeh, its a fair beast ;)
[01:32] <jesuel> all under 6 pounds with over 3 hours battery life.
[01:33] <jimarko> hot on the legs?
[01:33] <jesuel> not at all.
[01:33] <jesuel> ive done some mod's to it though.
[01:33] <jesuel> Its where I want it for a laptop
[01:33] <jesuel> very damm fast.
[01:34] <tapia> hi
[01:34] <jimarko> yeh, laptop are known for they're suckiness, but this sounds nuts
[01:34] <jimarko> positively nuts
[01:34] <tapia> is there any chance to use nptl with ubuntu or debian?
[01:34] <jesuel> Shrug, some laptops are decent.
[01:35] <jesuel> I got more to do it though
[01:35] <jimarko> thats cool tho
[01:36] <jesuel> Im taking out the touchscreen, Adding a second hd to it. and adding one of those eraser type clickers from a ibm laptop
[01:36] <jesuel> Just barely enough room to do it. :)
[01:36] <jimarko> cool! so what kinda work do you do on it? you a dev, or a multimedia dude, or ...?
[01:37] <jesuel> network admin @ work
[01:37] <jesuel> this is just my toy :)
[01:37] <jimarko> nice :D
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:38] <jesuel> 'lo da_bon_bon
[01:38] <jimarko> yeh, i'm shooting for a multimedia/games/GFX editing box, so its been a mission to get any distro to play how i want
[01:38] <jesuel> Oh I do some audio stuff, some gfx and games
[01:38] <jesuel> but its not my primary focus.
[01:38] <jimarko> but Ubuntu has got the closest
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> jesuel: hiya
[01:38] <jesuel> just keep working at it.
[01:39] <jesuel> mmm good song.
[01:39] <jesuel> this song pisses the neighbors off when I play it loud in the truck in the mornings. :)
[01:39] <da_bon_bon> whats better ? gparted or qtparted ?
[01:39] <jimarko> yeh, i've got my primary apps going, but things like GIMP aren't at the cutting edge of the release levels, cos i'm still trying to get my mind around .debs and updating them without removing other vital components
[01:40] <jesuel> jimarko: takes time. :)
[01:40] <jimarko> yeh it does. I found it strange that if i was to update gimp, synaptic was keen to remove 'ubuntu-desktop'.. *scratches head*
[01:40] <jesuel> like i busted my head against my laptop for a day or so, trying to get the vpn client included with ubuntu to work with my work system.
[01:41] <jesuel> IT should have worked. but no..
[01:41] <jesuel> jimarko: thats mean of synaptic
[01:41] <jimarko> lol
[01:41] <jimarko> i tried a 'dpkg --force-all gimp.x.deb' but nup, no good
[01:42] <jimarko> its all good, im ok with working on an older version of gimp
[01:42] <iSuperman> is there anyway to get dvdbackup to show progress??
[01:42] <jimarko> for now ;)
[01:42] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package - removing hurts nothing
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: whats a meta package ?
[01:43] <jimarko> ah ok. I just don't wanna bork my install, as its a finely crafted beast
[01:43] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: dummy package to resolve obsolete dependancies
[01:43] <thoreauputic> it just depends on a bunch of other stuff - pulls in dependencies
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: something like kubuntu-desktop ?
[01:44] <jimarko> i think libxine is a meta
[01:44] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I guess - apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop would tell you
[01:45] <blackstar> i am sure that you guys are familiar with how some people are able to have their terminal integrated as part of their desktop - meaning that terminal is fixed to the desktop as though it were a background...how do i do this
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: no, i am telling u. acc. to ur desc. kubuntu-desktop is a meat-package
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> meta
[01:45] <jimarko> hey, what kinda burning apps do you guys use on ubuntu?
[01:45] <jesuel> mmm meat package
[01:45] <jimarko> blackstar: I dunno, but its cool :D
[01:45] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: OK ... LOL ....
[01:45] <jesuel> im hungry.
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: graveman, gnome-baker, k3b
[01:46] <jesuel> gnome-baker here
[01:46] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I have no actual interest in kubuntu, but a meat package sounds good right now ;)
[01:46] <blackstar> thnks jimarko...its really cool - i would love to get it running - i have read and found nothing - but the answer is out there somewhere
[01:46] <jimarko> *googles gnome-baker*
[01:46] <jesuel> thoreauputic: definitely a meat package sounds tasty
[01:47] <jimarko> i should be able to 'apt-get install gnome-baker' right?
[01:47] <SiRrUs> jimarko you can graveman
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: gnome-baker is not in repos
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jimarko: probably not - are you on hoary?
[01:48] <jimarko> nah, warty
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: get the deb from the home page
[01:48] <jimarko> aight
[01:48] <jimarko> thx guys :D
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jimarko: I'll give you a link for warty - hold on
[01:49] <error_29> What about the built-in cd burner in nautilus?  that seemed to work for me when graveman wouldn't
[01:49] <jimarko> got it!
[01:49] <thoreauputic> jimarko: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/
[01:49] <jimarko> :-D
[01:49] <thoreauputic> ah - too slow :)
[01:49] <jimarko> lol, thx tho
[01:49] <thoreauputic> error_29: it's fine for data
[01:49] <InitMass> which is the best burning program? many say k3b but is it the best even if you are a gnome user?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> InitMass: yes, k3b is very good
[01:50] <error_29> thoreauputic, if I want to add just one package from an outside repository, how do I do that without adding the whole repo to my list...?
[01:51] <jimarko> i used k3b in Fed c3, but as there is no KDE enviro in warty, i thought i'd try a native gnome app
[01:51] <Neil3> i'm also looking for a decent gtk cd burning app
[01:51] <thoreauputic> error_29: you can download it and use sudo dpkg -i , but be aware of the possible problems
[01:51] <Neil3> at the moment nautilus is ok but i want to do audio too
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: just do apt-get install k3b.
[01:51] <InitMass> jimarko, Neil3, which program do you use now?
[01:52] <SiRrUs> Neil3 gnomebaker or graveman
[01:52] <error_29> thanks thoreauputic
[01:52] <jimarko> InitMass: I've only just moved over to Ubuntu, so the need for burning hasn't come up yet, but i used to use k3b
[01:52] <thoreauputic> error_29: using an outside repo can break things, or be a dependency hell
[01:52] <Neil3> i have tried gnome baker it crashes when i try and browse dirs within it
[01:53] <Neil3> graveman doesnt see my cdrw drive
[01:53] <Neil3> might have to bite the bullet and go for k3b
[01:53] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: do i need to set up any extra repos for k3b?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> Neil3: graveman is foolish as in checks for device everry startup - jsut add devices manually and u r done
[01:53] <jesuel> blackstar: That feature youre talking about. I know what you speak of. Im just trying to remember what i did to make that happen
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: enabled universe / multiverse ?
[01:53] <error_29> well, thoreauputic , that's what I mean -- I was just wondering if I could snag just one app without exposing the rest of my apps to nasty "upgrades" from the wrong repos...
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Neil3: xcdroast works here, but it's a bit "old" (gtk 1.2) and rather unintuitive
[01:54] <InitMass> is gnomebaker the default app that comes with gnome?
[01:54] <blackstar> jesuel: that would be nice if you could help
[01:54] <Neil3> yeah i couldnt get xcdroast to recognise my drive either :/
[01:54] <Neil3> gonna try k3b
[01:54] <Neil3> nautilus burns stuff no problems, isos etc
[01:54] <error_29> graveman refused to burn anything in hoary for me
[01:54] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: er.. how.. :(
[01:54] <thoreauputic> error_29: it depends on whether that package is depending on stuff you can't get or don't have
[01:55] <error_29> right, thoreauputic ...thnx
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:55] <thoreauputic> error_29: dpkg will just refuse to configure it if it has unmet dependencies
[01:55] <gdh> Hm, just tried hoary for the first time - all very pleasant :) I have a small prob with trying to add a Launcher to the Applications menu (which I can do with GNOME2.8 in normal Debian)..
[01:55] <SiRrUs> and graveman seems to work great for me
[01:55] <jesuel> blackstar: it was some sort of -no-root option for rxvt i believe. You had to set the exact position on screen with x - y coordinates and size. and it would look embedded
[01:55] <gdh> Usually, I can right click on the menu group, Entire Menu -> Add a Launcher to this menu
[01:55] <gdh> but that option isn't present... is there something I can do to make it return?
[01:56] <InitMass> gnomebaker doesn't seem to be in warty
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: it is not
[01:56] <jesuel> its in hoary
[01:56] <InitMass> and not graveman either
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: graveman is in hoary
[01:57] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: OMG! U just showed me how to get at alllll this software :D w00t!! thanks dude
[01:57] <aracataca> hi to everybody!
[01:57] <jimarko> lol
[01:57] <blackstar> jesule: oh i see...ow do i go about setting this feature up...a headstart in the right direction iwould be good
[01:57] <InitMass> da_bon_bon, do you know when they release hoary as stable?
[01:57] <jimarko> aracataca: hey hey :D
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: w00t ! and then add some more - marillat for instance
[01:57] <error_29> gdh, if you find out anything about how users can get more control over those menus, a lot of people I think will be grateful!
[01:57] <aracataca> hey hey, haha
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: april. but preview is out and is more stable than my warty
[01:58] <blackstar> jesuel: in the meantime i will be reading about it
[01:58] <jesuel> marilat :)
[01:58] <thoreauputic> InitMass: if you want gnomebaker for warty, go here >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/
[01:58] <aracataca> i'm always here with high hopes....
[01:58] <gdh> error_29: Ah, I'll take that as a 'no' then :( It's weird since I can do it fine with 2.8 on sarge :(
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: apt-get update && apt-get install k3b
[01:58] <jimarko> yeh, ive got wine and marilat, but only cos of fluke
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: oh ok.
[01:58] <gdh> Might pop a Q on the mailing list...
[01:59] <aracataca> this time: the ubuntu 4.1 installation, does it enable me to search for available wlan-networks, or do i have to get any apps?
[01:59] <aracataca> *and thanks for the answers, its quite important...
[01:59] <jimarko> and my ability to follow guides :D the .deb system is very new to me, as im previously well versed in RPM-based or source-based distros
[01:59] <error_29> gdh, they call it a custom menu, but I have no idea how anyone's supposed to customize it
[01:59] <InitMass> thoreauputic, da_bon_bon, i can wait for hoary and then install it. i don't want an unstable system
[02:00] <gdh> error_29: Yeh I saw that, and I've thought of using  a drawer, but they seem like nasty hacks... I should be able to add Non-Ubuntu-Installed apps on the Applications menu :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> InitMass: not long to wait :)
[02:00] <bretzel> Wow! Hoary preview is released ... but I don't think I am gonna install the official release because my arry-5 install is quite stable and I did so much work to make it of my tastes
[02:00] <gdh> That's nearly as bad as this 'Trusted Computing' MS nonsense :)
[02:00] <Gfault> How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?
[02:01] <jimarko> hrm, it wants to install arts for K3B... that won't bork my carefully balanced ALSA/OSS system will it?
[02:01] <InitMass> thoreauputic, yes, i know :) what's the biggest changes and upgrades in hoary compared to warty?
[02:01] <error_29> yeah, gdh, I agree with you.  And adding stuff to the panels can be a tedious process.
[02:01] <ritalin> my experince with arts is evil
[02:01] <_d4vid> hi all
[02:01] <jimarko> ritalin: indeed.
[02:01] <jimarko> hey _d4vid
[02:01] <ritalin> _d4vid: hi
[02:01] <thoreauputic> InitMass: I don't really know - i'm on warty too
[02:01] <gdh> error_29: I'm mainly a KDE whore who's just looking to see if the grass is greener...
[02:02] <gdh> error_29: And I miss KMenuEdit already :)
[02:02] <error_29> kde's menus and kicker are much much better than gnome panels, in my opinion.
[02:02] <thoreauputic> gdh: you sound like a candidate for kubuntu :)
[02:02] <ggeecko> how do I change my computer's name??
[02:02] <jimarko> gdh, error_29, no automounts :D lol
[02:02] <gdh> thoreauputic: Oooh that exists as a project?
[02:02] <gdh> or just a funny pun? :)
[02:03] <goldfish> ggeecko: base-config i thnk
[02:03] <thoreauputic> gdh: sure, read the /topic :)
[02:03] <iSuperman> how do I get color syntax highlighting in gnome-terminal......all i get at the moment is green......I think it's an environment variable from memory...?
[02:03] <error_29> gdh, in warty, I had great success using the kicker as an extra menu bar, and the "windows logo" key actually worked!
[02:03] <gdh> heh
[02:03] <thoreauputic> oops, it isn't in the topic anymore!
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> error_29: it works in gnome too
[02:03] <error_29> but I think that kicker got altered so that doesn't work with hoary now...
[02:03] <thoreauputic> gdh: sorry
[02:03] <InitMass> can nautilus burn DVD too?
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: nautilus burner SUCKS!
[02:04] <InitMass> da_bon_bon, in what way?
[02:04] <error_29> da_bon_bon, , that's what I meant, in gnome
[02:04] <bretzel> gdh: I was a KDE only user, but for a reason I can't completly say, I feel better in GNOME even if I am a C++ programer and knows KDE is strongly developed from C++'sQT engine, and GNOME is GTK evil function naming prototypes convention - I hate to type a complete paragraph  just to call a function...
[02:04] <gdh> any built-in disc burner is going to suck :)
[02:04] <error_29> but kicker is really flaky now; I'm thinking this kubuntu business has messed it up for me...
[02:05] <gdh> does the nautilus one still make a temporary ISO first?
[02:05] <jimarko> hey pplz, i'm outta here, sleep calls :D but thx for your help, and i'll be back soon :D
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: no customizability, very limited
[02:05] <thoreauputic> gdh: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[02:06] <error_29> Damn, I'm late for work!  bye folks!
[02:06] <gdh> bretzel: I dunno, KDE seems to have far too many options.. GNOME has perhaps too few...
[02:06] <gdh> bretzel: As if someone who knows better than you has already picked the perfect settings. Why would you possibly want to change?
[02:06] <gdh> thoreauputic: Thanks for that :)
[02:07] <CosaNostra> Someone knows what's the problem if i get sounds, when i send a message and click something...but don't get any music from cd..when i try to play a cd..
[02:07] <thoreauputic> gdh: heh - thought I'd better find it after my mistake over /topic ;-)
[02:07] <ggeecko> goldfish: thx that was it
[02:07] <ritalin> well instrall time
[02:07] <ritalin> hopefully next time we chat im running ubuntu
[02:07] <thoreauputic> gdh: it was in the topic a day or two ago
[02:08] <gdh> ah, this is my first time here :)
[02:08] <jesuel> gluck ritalin
[02:08] <CosaNostra> Can somebody help me out with this?
[02:08] <gdh> only downloaded the installer an hour ago.  I hate symantec
[02:12] <gdh> thoreauputic: <conspiracy theory about the major AV and Anti-spam vendors running their own botnets to perpetuate their businesses>
[02:12] <bretzel> gdh, speaking GUI user , I feel better in GNOME... yet KDE has lots of options, that is why KDE-3.4 is also installed :-) :-) 8-);)
[02:12] <jesuel> yuck kde
[02:12] <thoreauputic> I think it's hilarious that there's a whole industry devoted to curing the design faults of Windows....
[02:12] <gdh> bretzel: I decided to give Ubuntu a try because I felt everything would be might tighter than just sarge and apt-get install gnome...
[02:13] <Burgundavia> CosaNostra: make that gstreamer-properties
[02:13] <gdh> Is it really that much different?
[02:13] <jesuel> gdh: imho it is
[02:13] <CosaNostra> I'm a bit of a noob in linux..
[02:13] <jesuel> gdh: ubuntu is very nicely intergrated imho
[02:13] <johso> hmm, I can't run a perl program I have - it appears that a Tk.pm is missing?
[02:13] <gdh> is it possible / advised to use sid/sarge packages in hoary?
[02:14] <gdh> johso: is there a 'libtk-perl' ?
[02:14] <thoreauputic> gdh: not hugely different, but Ubuntu made my sound "just work" on this machine, after much fiddling with Alsa on Debian
[02:14] <thoreauputic> gdh: don't use debian packages
[02:14] <missmarple> does anyone of u know what happened to ubuntuusers.de ? it seems as if their database crashed
[02:15] <gdh> thoreauputic: OKie :)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> gdh: essentially everything is available from the universe repository i Ubuntu
[02:15] <gdh> universe is 'sarge/sid compiled against Ubuntu libraries' yes?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> gdh: just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:15] <Fator_Dee> cool, ubuntu is automagically able to mount a compactflash card from my computers frontpanel slot \o/
[02:16] <CosaNostra> In Volume control everything is up..
[02:16] <johso> gdh: hmm, does not look like it...
[02:16] <olafura> gdh: plus ubuntu-patches
[02:17] <SiRrUs> CosaNostra what are you using to play the cd
[02:17] <Radu_> hello
[02:17] <thoreauputic> gdh: "multiverse" is kind of like "debian non-free"
[02:17] <CosaNostra> Standard CD Player
[02:17] <bretzel> jesuel: :)
[02:17] <SiRrUs> what software
[02:17] <gdh> johso: perl-tk is in Debian... I expect you can get it from Universe
[02:18] <Radu_> anyone have any idea why #ubuntu-ro doesnt work?
[02:18] <CosaNostra> Don't have any software installed..
[02:18] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: you almost certainly need digital output
[02:18] <gdh> thoreauputic: Interesting :) lots of new terminology to deal with...
[02:18] <SiRrUs> you will need software I think to play the cd player
[02:18] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: beep-medi-player or xmms can do digital
[02:18] <jesuel> hows it going bretzel.
[02:18] <GNAM> HOARY preview R U L E Z
[02:18] <jesuel> GNAM: that it does
[02:18] <thoreauputic> *beep-media-player
[02:18] <johso> gdh: I'm not able to apt-get it, it 'has no installation candidate'
[02:19] <CosaNostra> So...if i understand right, the cd player can't read my cd or something?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: no, more likely your machine has no connection from the CD-ROM to sound card
[02:19] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: increasingly common
[02:19] <gdh> johso: I'm really new to this, I don't know what to suggest for you :)
[02:20] <CosaNostra> Oh..
[02:20] <johso> gdh: well, fair enough ;)
[02:20] <bretzel> GNAM: are  you actually running PREVIEW ?
[02:20] <CosaNostra> So..if i install xmms...it "should" work?
[02:20] <jesuel> CosaNostra: you just need a cd audio cable from your cdrom to your sound card.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: if you configure the cd audio plugin for digital, yes
[02:20] <jesuel> or that
[02:21] <damripp> how do i  go about setting up a external modem in ubuntu?
[02:21] <CosaNostra> Oh...i think..we have a misunderstanding....i play it in the cdrom player..
[02:21] <thoreauputic> jesuel: your way is neater, but not so easy for people who don't know how :)
[02:21] <darmou> if you accidently stuff up your fstab is there a way to remount the drive to overide the fstab settings?
[02:21] <a-l-p-h-a_2> where are the binaries for Firefox installed?  I wish to replace them with the newest version.
[02:21] <missmarple> any hotpluggin experts here?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> darmou: sudo mount /dev/foo /mnt/yourdirectory
[02:22] <darmou> ahh but says /dev/hda4 is already mounted on /
[02:23] <jesuel> a-l-p-h-a_2, you can just type: which firefox in your terminal to find where the binaries are located.
[02:23] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: wrong approach
[02:23] <darmou> I do umount /devhda4
[02:23] <gdh> darmou: you might want to try -o remount
[02:23] <jesuel> but i wouldnt just replace them :)
[02:23] <spenser> I have burned hoary twice and warty twice and with all 4 cd's i get the error "debootstrap - failed to retrieve debconf" and says that it's a possible bad cd or network connection. my burner never makes coasters much less 4 in a row, so i'm thinking it must be something else with the machine. anyone else seen this?
[02:23] <a-l-p-h-a_2> jesuel, thoreauputic, how do I go about it?
[02:23] <darmou> but same problem if I try to mount it ok what is the remount command that will overide the fstab?
[02:24] <GNAM> can i use hoary-installer only to reinstall GRUB on the MBR?
[02:24] <jesuel> spenser: did you check the md5sums after you downloaded?
[02:24] <spenser> jesper_:  yes
[02:24] <spenser> jesper_:  i might try to install it in vmware on another machine tonight to test the cd's, but i think they are fine.
[02:24] <a-l-p-h-a_2> I've gone and downloaded the binary installer for Firefox 1.01, but I don't know where to install it to overwrite the old one.  Or should I just uninstall, and install the new one where I want?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you can get the binary from mozilla.org and install it in, for instance, your home directory - then link it from say /usr/local if you wish
[02:25] <jesper_> Hi.
[02:25] <CosaNostra> Seeya
[02:25] <spenser> gotta run to work.
[02:25] <spenser> bbl
[02:25] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you don't need to uninstall the old one
[02:25] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, won't the clutter my system then?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> well, a few megabytes extra, yes
[02:26] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2
[02:26] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: if you're concerned about conflicts, move the .mozilla directory
[02:27] <thoreauputic> ~/.mozilla
[02:27] <thoreauputic> eg mv .mozilla .mozilla.old
[02:27] <a-l-p-h-a_2> well, I just installed it under ~/firefox-installer... [not where I want, but fine...]  now when I start it, it still says version 0.9.3...
[02:27] <bretzel> ciao all, gotta run to work too
[02:28] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, I'll try that
[02:28] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: because it's still calling /usr/bin/firefox
[02:28] <lifeless> away
[02:29] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: either make a link in your PATH, or give the full path to the new one
[02:29] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, sorry, this is my first 1hr of using linux, in a very very long time.  I'm pretty much a newb with this.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: that's Ok
[02:29] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: BTW your nick is *very* annoying for tab completion
[02:30] <GNAM> auauau
[02:30] <a-l-p-h-a_2> I'll kill my other account...
[02:30] <olafura> a-l-p-h-a_2:Why do you want the latest one hasn't hoary a resent enough?
[02:30] <a-l-p-h-a_2> autocomplete should be easier now.
[02:30] <damripp> how do i  gp about installing  a VNC viewer?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> olafura: sounds like he's on warty
[02:31] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: thanks :)
[02:31] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, so I've sudo unlink firefox from /usr/bin now, I should probably move the firefox binaries somewhere other than ~/firefox-installer
[02:31] <thoreauputic> damripp: it's installed by default
[02:31] <gdh> damripp: You don't have Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client ?
[02:32] <gdh> damripp: (see the 'Protocol' drop-down in that...)
[02:32] <damripp> oh cheers!!!
[02:32] <gdh> I'd assumed it was rdesktop only as well until I looked :)
[02:32] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: not necessary if you make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/firefox
[02:33] <Gfault> How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?
[02:35] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, sudo link firefox /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox ? from /usr/local/bin?
[02:35] <gdh> Does anyone else find GNOME's "fonts:///" location really shit? :) It lets you drag anything in, but a) puts them in ~/.fonts even if you're root  b) gives no indication anything happened c) no facility to install them system-wide...
[02:35] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2:  ln -s /home/user/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox
[02:35] <thoreauputic> yes, sudo will be needed
[02:36] <jason> anyone know how to get the hostap kernel modules installed?
[02:36] <jdub> gdh: apart from (b), that is its intended functionality
[02:36] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, link: cannot create link `/home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox' to `firefox': No such file or directory
[02:36] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you should find ` echo $PATH` will show /usr/local/bin first in your PATH
[02:36] <jdub> gdh: there is an update problem that stops you seeing changes as they're made
[02:37] <jdub> gdh: it is not intended to manage system fonts at all
[02:37] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you need the full path
[02:37] <gdh> jdub: OK.. but it's intentional that for sys-wide you must copy .ttf to /usr/share/fonts
[02:37] <R0bNyc> Anyone here runs windows apps in LInux
[02:37] <jdub> yes
[02:37] <thoreauputic> to firefox in /usr/local/bin
[02:37] <a-l-p-h-a_2> oh
[02:37] <gdh> jdub: Ah, OK.. seems less than desirable :/
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2> link: cannot create link `/home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox' to `/usr/local/bin/firefox': No such file or directory
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2>  still that issue
[02:38] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: ah, you wer in /usr/local/bin already??
[02:38] <olafura> then sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.old sudo sed "s/warty/hoary/g" /etc/apt/sources.list > sources.list; sudo mv sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox; sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.old /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, yes
[02:38] <jdub> gdh: it handles the common case really nicely; it could provide a "install as system font" feature, but it hasn't been written yet. changesets accepted. :)
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2> I've unlinked it already I believe.
[02:38] <gdh> jdub: Hehe as per normal =)
[02:39] <jdub> gdh: yes, of course, that's how software development works
[02:39] <olafura> a-l-p-h-a_2: This should work to install firefox from hoary
[02:39] <gdh> jdub: I wasn't clear on whether it was a policy decision to simply not deal with system-wide fonts or merely that that part hadn't been implemented...
[02:40] <jdub> gdh: most sensible features are acceptable if designed well
[02:40] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: hmm... well I don't see the problem with the syntax, unless maybe your installation is in a subdirectory?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: does /usr/local/bin exist on your system?
[02:41] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, yes
[02:42] <gdh> jdub: That's very Zen of you :)
[02:42] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: hmm - well as a stopgap you could make a launcher with the full path, but linking should work
[02:42] <a-l-p-h-a_2> when I type ~/firefox-installer/firefox it loads up firefox.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: as you'd expect :)
[02:42] <jdub> gdh: heh. designing usable user interfaces is pretty zen-o-rific at the best of times. :)
[02:43] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, I'd hope so at least. :)
[02:43] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: indeed
[02:43] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:43] <a-l-p-h-a_2> this is what I typed:
[02:43] <a-l-p-h-a_2> sudo link /usr/local/bin/firefox /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox
[02:43] <thoreauputic> no
[02:44] <thoreauputic> sudo ln -s /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox
[02:44] <a-l-p-h-a_2> oh.
[02:44] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: target first
[02:44] <Slaven> I've recompiled PHP with mysql support and it still doesn't recognize the function mysql_connect! >:(
[02:44] <thoreauputic> and ln -s for a symlink
[02:44] <a-l-p-h-a_2> 'ight... I'll try that.
[02:45] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, THANK YOU!
[02:45] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[02:45] <a-l-p-h-a_2> works perfectly now. :)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> as I expected ;)
[02:46] <a-l-p-h-a_2> k, I'll give linux a few days to allow it to settle into my system, and then I'll wipe my windows drive. :)
[02:46] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: have a look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:55] <ACID|net> hey, i was just wondering what an MIS system is.....anyone know??
[02:56] <EvilSven> hi
[02:56] <_ale> why i can't make my terminal use iso-8859-1 encoding?
[02:56] <_ale> i changes it back to utf-8 everytime i open a new terminal
[02:57] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: management information services?
[02:57] <EvilSven> How do I turn off controlling the mouse with my num pad, I accidently turned it on with xf86cfg?
[02:57] <ACID|net> thoreauputic: Possibly
[02:58] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: so saith google for acronym+MIS, anyway
[02:58] <ACID|net> acronym+ <-- nice :)
[02:58] <erlend> hey
[02:59] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: or managed internet services
[02:59] <ACID|net> hmmm
[02:59] <erlend> i have problem with hoary.. why is it that i cant enable "windows networking" in hoary when it is a perfectly available option in wartt
[02:59] <erlend> warty
[02:59] <erlend> i mean through the gnome network options
[03:00] <ACID|net> To support existing MIS and operational systems (MS Access, SQL Server)
[03:00] <thoreauputic> haha - JAVA "just another vague acronym" :)
[03:00] <smo> after upgrading to hoary LVM sees no physical volumes .. they're still there if I reboot to warty.  any clues where I start looking?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> erlend: maybe you should install samba ?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> missmarple: what's the trouble?
[03:02] <missmarple>  thoreauputic: still the same as yesterday :-/ wifi firmware still doesnt load if notebook runs on battery
[03:02] <thoreauputic> ah...
[03:02] <erlend> thoreauputic, of course, i have installed it. but the option to enable windows networking in gnome, doesn't exist in hoary obviously
[03:02] <missmarple> this is really drivin me crazy
[03:04] <thoreauputic> missmarple: power management issue, maybe? I don't know much about it... apm?
[03:04] <missmarple>  thoreauputic: i think it has something to do with ACPI
[03:04] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:04] <missmarple>  thoreauputic: but i have no clue where to look for what to fix it
[03:05] <thoreauputic> missmarple: have you tried in grub's menu.lst,   noacpi ? (something like that on the kernel line, from memory)
[03:06] <missmarple> i tried it with acpi=off but that didnt help
[03:06] <thoreauputic> missmarple: I think that's where you disable it, anyway
[03:06] <missmarple> mhh let me check that noacpi thingy
[03:07] <missmarple> altough a notebook without powermanagement is not that nice ;-/
[03:07] <EndGame> hippies!
[03:07] <thoreauputic> pci=noacpi  maybe ? (just googled grub+noacpi+linux)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> missmarple: if I remember correctly, apm can substitute for some functions
[03:08] <crypticreign> desktop background properties dialog freezes
[03:08] <crypticreign> on warty
[03:08] <missmarple> my kernel doesnt have apm support - so i would have to build one my own
[03:09] <thoreauputic> missmarple: have you searched the forums? I just found something similar
[03:09] <thoreauputic> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2620.html
[03:10] <missmarple> mhh let me check
[03:11] <thoreauputic> kernel /vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash acpi=off noacpi is one line that looks promising
[03:11] <ritalin> im on ubuntu!
[03:12] <raydogg> ritalin++
[03:12] <thoreauputic> missmarple: are you sure your kernel doesn't have apm? does  sudo modprobe apm fail?
[03:12] <ritalin> its very slick
[03:12] <Myrtti> \o/
[03:12] <grunt> yo ppl. is it possible to have kde 3.2 on this distro?
[03:12] <EndGame> ritalin, yeah, untill it breaks
[03:12] <thoreauputic> grunt: it's possible to have kde 3.4 :)
[03:13] <ritalin> heh
[03:13] <EndGame> you think im kidding
[03:13] <SiRrUs> ritalin are you using hoary or warty
[03:13] <EndGame> once your pretty hippie gui goes away, you're screwed
[03:13] <ritalin> hoary
[03:13] <thoreauputic> EndGame: excuse me, that is rubbish
[03:13] <raydogg> lol
[03:14] <EndGame> oh?
[03:14] <crypticreign> fresh install of warty - desktop background properties dialog is gray and frozen
[03:14] <SiRrUs> ritalin you will like it
[03:14] <missmarple> thoreauputic: wait i'm bootinh
[03:14] <ritalin> i do so far
[03:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: the cli works fine, thank you
[03:14] <gdh> True - when GNOME breaks, it can break just as dramatically as KDE :)
[03:14] <ritalin> gnome runs alot faster then apple's aqua
[03:14] <EndGame> yeah, just su to a .... oh wait
[03:14] <SiRrUs> Its very solid now and will get even better
[03:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: sudo -s
[03:14] <missmarple> thoreauputic: modprobe apm fails
[03:14] <ritalin> my ibook buttons dont work though
[03:15] <EndGame> i could always run aptitude and play minesweeper, neh?
[03:15] <ritalin> guess ill have to manual config
[03:15] <thoreauputic> is what youare looking for
[03:15] <EndGame> :-)
[03:15] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, your kidding right?
[03:15] <missmarple> thoreauputic: it says no such device
[03:15] <thoreauputic> missmarple: hmm
[03:16] <Gfault>  How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> missmarple: have you tried rebooting with acpi=off noacpi  ?
[03:16] <missmarple> thoreauputic: yep - no change to the problem
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Gfault: I'm not sure what you mean
[03:16] <EndGame> no
[03:16] <scaroo> hi ppl  i ve just upgraded netapplet and strangely it doesn t install the netapplet binary anymore but only the netdaemon service, is it the normal behaviour ?
[03:17] <EndGame> aptitude has a minesweeper in it
[03:17] <EndGame> im not shitting you
[03:17] <ritalin> wow samba works out of the box!
[03:17] <thoreauputic> missmarple: how ghastly ! :(
[03:17] <EndGame> if you got out of your pretty gui you would know this
[03:17] <missmarple> thoreauputic: yeah absolutely
[03:17] <gdh> thoreauputic: LOL - no tea and crumpets until the case is solved, now! :)
[03:17] <missmarple> i shouldnt have made an update from warty to hoary
[03:18] <SiRrUs> EndGame are you talking about mines?
[03:18] <EndGame> yeah
[03:18] <EndGame> whatever you call it
[03:18] <EndGame> hippies
[03:18] <thoreauputic> EndGame: I just love the look of that black tty and prompt!  I use terminals to ssh into the clusters @ the uni i study, and for most of the work i do (vim+gcc+java+latex). But i do find a windows manager nice, it actually seems kinda idiotic to me not to use one.
[03:21] <EndGame> psudo-hippie-code
[03:21] <scaroo> EndGame, i use my shell all along the day but i dont claim it proudly as you do, please let everybody do wqnt they want
[03:21] <EndGame> props for the vim user
[03:21] <thoreauputic> haha
[03:21] <EndGame> ah, of course, linux is all about choices
[03:21] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!
[03:22] <EndGame> im just sayin that one cannot forget one's roots
[03:22] <SiRrUs> yep like running water and out houses
[03:22] <thoreauputic> scaroo: I think I detect a hint of humour...
[03:22] <ritalin> wow i really like linux
[03:22] <ritalin> screw OS X
[03:23] <ACID|net> :O
[03:23] <thoreauputic> ritalin: I second the motion :)
[03:23] <ACID|net> i still prefer osx i have to say...
[03:23] <EndGame> i was on a terminal on an OSX box today
[03:23] <thoreauputic> EndGame: thanks, we *never* knew that, being eye-candy hippies :)
[03:23] <scaroo> ritalin,
[03:24] <EndGame> ritalin wow i really like linux
[03:24] <EndGame> ritalin screw OS X
[03:24] <EndGame> sounded like he knew
[03:24] <thoreauputic> EndGame: so of course you know all about Fink and Darwin
[03:24] <EndGame> and that mach kernel
[03:25] <EndGame> and embraceing open source, whilest keeping all the cool gui shit closed
[03:25] <EndGame> w00t for apple
[03:26] <thoreauputic> EndGame: yup, uninstall acqua and use the cli in OS-X !  Gnome 2.10 is in portage already (i'm a gentoo user too, on my third year) :p
[03:30] <goldfish> I hate those gui irc chat clients.
[03:30] <EndGame> not down with gnome
[03:30] <EndGame> tried it
[03:30] <EndGame> way heavy
[03:31] <scizzo> TWM!
[03:31] <scizzo> :)
[03:31] <EndGame> wmi
[03:31] <EndGame> bitches
[03:31] <thoreauputic> aaargh
[03:31] <EndGame> oh man
[03:31] <EndGame> im lovin the wmi
[03:31] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, naah. u just need a few inexpensive hardware updgrades and u cant tell the difference :p
[03:31] <EndGame> hardware upgraded are propagated by the software industry
[03:31] <thoreauputic> EndGame: surprised you aren't running Ratpoison
[03:31] <EndGame> i mean
[03:31] <EndGame> think about it
[03:32] <EndGame> all this processing power
[03:32] <EndGame> and are you really more productive that 10 years ago
[03:32] <EndGame> noire, all the power is whored out to guis
[03:32] <thoreauputic> EndGame: no
[03:32] <EndGame> Solatis, why upgrade
[03:32] <Dreamer3> ok, I open a file with gedit, save it... and a few minutes later it's back to it's original... WHAT THE HECK?
[03:32] <EndGame> linux will run on a freakin toaster, all it need is a power outlet and a keyboard
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: which file?
[03:33] <Dreamer3> this was ticking me off at the office the other day, doesn't matter samba, nfs, local...
[03:33] <ritalin> I guess no java support on default install?
[03:33] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: rails application i'm working on, or website files... doesn't seem to matter
[03:33] <ritalin> probally license issues
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: you probably opened read-only files
[03:33] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: um no, they save fine... i'm looking at them in my browser
[03:34] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, it depends on what you use your box for. I agree that processing power is primarily used for visualisation purposes today. But as a science or math student you deffently can apply some processing power when doing matlab simulations and suchs
[03:34] <dmouritsendk> -s
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: and if you edit them with vi or nano or whatever, same thing happens?
[03:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i don't know, i don't use vi or nano
[03:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: you're saying gedit would remember the old file and randomly saver it later over the new one?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: then it might not be gedit
[03:35] <EndGame> oh man, my roomies 2.8ghz 64-bit any my friends 3ghz p4 fly through some shit, defintately a great use of power
[03:35] <EndGame> i just dont see the poit (especially with windows) of all these upgrades
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: choice of editor shouldn't matter, no
[03:36] <EndGame> on another tangent, i got a microsoft intellimouse explorer 2.0 in a really cool shade of red for 15 bucks yesterday
[03:36] <EndGame> i feel dirty
[03:36] <EndGame> but its a really nice mouse
[03:36] <EndGame> :-)
[03:36] <ritalin> whats the unix command to see system info
[03:36] <EndGame> uname -a
[03:36] <ritalin> I forgot ive been double clicking for so long
[03:36] <ritalin> ty
[03:36] <EndGame> sure
[03:36] <thoreauputic> ritalin: what kind of info?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> EndGame: that only tells you the kernel version...
[03:37] <thoreauputic> and a couple of other bits
[03:37] <ritalin> just general system info
[03:37] <mercurus> ah ... kernel recompilation goodness
[03:37] <EndGame> uname --help
[03:37] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, well if u got a 2ghz+ processor, there aren't really any reason for upgrading that. But i figured u where on like a 800-1300mhz , since u found gnome slow :p
[03:37] <EndGame> whatever the thing is to display everything
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ritalin: browse in /proc
[03:38] <EndGame> any why was gnome slow?
[03:38] <EndGame> because its pretty
[03:38] <mercurus> dmouritsendk: I have a Duron 700 and GNOME isn't really slow ...
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ritalin: eg  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:38] <blackfeet> hi, i've a problem about the volume controller, .. when i try to open it i get the error "registry is not present or is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register", does anybody know what to do to fix that?
[03:38] <EndGame> alright, hippies, im off to sleep, or compusa, whichever comes first
[03:38] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, is gnome slow on ur box? what gfx card u got? my gnome screams
[03:38] <EndGame> ill be aorund
[03:38] <EndGame> shit
[03:39] <EndGame> ive got some POS 32 meg card
[03:39] <EndGame> gnome runs fine
[03:39] <mercurus> aye, I've got a GeForce 2 MX w\ 32 and it is fine
[03:39] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, ever since i enabled 2d hardware accelleration in xorg everything is extremely snappy.
[03:39] <dmouritsendk> minus java apps. but thats true of any wm
[03:39] <thoreauputic> blackfeet: did you try running sudo gst-register ?
[03:39] <lupusBE> how do I compile a project with DEBUG information is there a /configure option for it?
[03:40] <blackfeet> thoreauputic: yes, i did
[03:40] <mercurus> lupusBE: usually it is an option you should pass to configure, yes ...
[03:40] <blackfeet> thoreauputic: gst-register-0.8 i think
[03:40] <thoreauputic> lupusBE: try ./configure --help
[03:40] <mercurus> ./configure --help |grep debug
[03:41] <lupusBE> noting :(
[03:41] <lupusBE> nothing
[03:41] <EndGame> dmouritsendk, 2d accelleration? howd you go about that?
[03:42] <eclipse> which one is faster for playing games: KDE or Gnome?
[03:42] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, its a option in the nvidia driver.  Just use an abacus!
[03:46] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic,  a bewolf cluster of abacus'es maybe :)