[00:33] <khoover> keysigning party? God, don't let me get near booze, I'll sign anyone's then.
[06:22] <BobJonkman> jlamothe: LinuxMonkey is planning on hosting one with the Moncton LUG.  Helluva commute...
[14:18] <genii-around> http://imagebin.org/218741
[15:14] <genii-around> dscassel: I changed my Kubuntu start button for kicks.. http://imagebin.org/218741
[15:22] <jlamothe> Nicely done.
[15:33] <genii-around> Reminds me every day to check here and mailing list
[16:13] <crond> I'm oddly hating unity a lot less of late
[17:12] <willwh> crond: I like it tbh
[17:13] <willwh> it did takes me ~6 months to feel like that though
[17:13] <crond> willwh, well, I set the icon size to minimum in the bar, slapped it on auto-hide, and enabled the top corner window switchy thing from gnome3
[17:13] <crond> helped immensely
[17:13] <willwh> :]
[17:14] <crond> though I need to figure out how to add applets to the unity whitelist
[17:14] <crond> Vidalia is supposed to have an icon up the the tray and doesn't.
[18:21] <dscassel> genii-around: Awesome. :D
[18:23] <dscassel> crond: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray
[18:25] <jlamothe> You know, when you've got Ubuntu set as a hilight word, this chanel seems to get highlighted a lot for some reason.
[18:25] <jlamothe> Can't imagine why.


[04:02] <cowpacity> i'm trying to find the default network configuration file, i don't think i'm seeing it in /etc/netplan/, am i in the wrong place?
[04:53] <swift110> hmm
[09:13] <il> hi
[09:14] <diogenes_> hi
[09:14] <il> how are you diogenes
[09:16] <il> i need update my opengl version but idont know how to done this
[09:16] <diogenes_> why would you need that?
[09:16] <lordievader> Why?
[09:17] <lordievader> What does `glxinfo |grep OpenGL version" return?
[09:17] <lordievader>  * What does `glxinfo |grep OpenGL version` return?
[09:18] <il> i install new version of blender but this need opengl 3.1 + version of opengl
[09:19] <il> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 19.2.1
[09:20] <lordievader> What is the output of `lspci -k |grep -i vga -A2`?
[09:22] <il> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[09:22] <il>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics
[09:22] <il> Controller
[09:22] <il>         Kernel driver in use: i915
[09:23] <diogenes_> il, i'd suggest trying an older version of Blender.
[09:23] <OerHeks> that intel mobile 4 surely does not support opengl 3.1 ...
 Can you run Kubuntu with Wayland?
 On intel cpu and gpu
[09:25] <il> thank @diogenes_ and @lordievader and @ircsomebot
[09:25] <il> yes i can run this on wayland
 @il, Fully supported?
[09:27] <il> sorry i mean i can run my system on wayland
 @il, 👍🏻Are there any advantages over xorg
[09:28] <il> how can reply people in irc konversation ?
[09:28] <il> i am not prefassional  user
[09:28] <lordievader> Rutvikm: Bit older comparison, but still gives some idea: https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
[09:29] <il> so i guest i have to install older version and fix my problem
[09:29] <diogenes_> I find no advantages of wayland over X.
[09:29] <lordievader> il: Or get a better machine ;)
[09:29] <il> :)
[09:31] <lordievader> The (Blender) performance on such a chip will be awful anyways.
[09:31] <lordievader> There is a reason AMD and nVidia have specific model lines targeted towards these kind of applications.
 @lordievader, Regarding the comparison, @il Wayland is potentially better, but is not mainstream mainly because lack of Nvidea support
 But its worth a try on amd or intel gpus
 I'd hope amd does some miracle in the gpu world as well, like its doing with cpus
[09:35] <diogenes_> also no remote desktop possibility with wayland which is a deal breaker for me so far.
[09:36] <lordievader> Also not through Xwayland?
 @diogenes_, Ok
[09:36] <diogenes_> lordievader, none of the current most popular ones (teamviewer, anydesk) support wayland.
 I heard Xorg is currently 10 times slower in its operations than wayland
 Is this true?
[09:40] <lordievader> diogenes_: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/04/03/1219239/remote-desktop-backend-merged-into-wayland Seems like there are some efforts to get it supported.
[09:40] <il> guys anyone have a channel about mining?
[09:41] <lordievader> il: That sounds like a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic
 Uhh, When will the non foss proprietary world get serious about linux
 Taking ages to support newer stuff
[09:42] <diogenes_> lordievader, " an independent developer submitted patches" that's far from mainstream implementation unfortunately, maybe my grandchildren will only manage to use wayland :)
[09:42] <lordievader> "Some efforts" 😋
[11:37] <user|70596> hey guys
[11:37] <user|70596> hope all is well
[11:37] <user|70596> I'm getting a budget laptop soon, would these specs be OK for Kubuntu?  (Specs are in the description if you scroll down.)
[11:37] <user|70596> https://www.takealot.com/lenovo-ideapad-330-igm-intel-celeron-500gb-15-6-notebook-platinu/PLID52129047
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:18] <vincenzo> cèe qualcuno?
[13:27] <vincenzo> a cosa serve questa chat se non parla nessuno???
[13:28] <diogenes_> !it
[13:28] <vincenzo> ok. thank you
[14:53] <krasi-georgiev-M> hi all , for some reason the network manager reports - no agents available when trying to save/connect to a network with encrypted password.
[14:54] <krasi-georgiev-M> from the online info I see that the password agent that the network manager should use is plasma-nm, but I can't find it on kubuntu cosmic 18.10
[14:55] <krasi-georgiev-M> and when I do ps aux I don;t see it running
[15:00] <BluesKaj> look in dolphin>view>hidden files>.config/plasma-nm
[15:03]  * krasi-georgiev-M sent a long message:  < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/dludELWVEdYMSEpClmxGXnsc >
[15:05] <krasi-georgiev-M> BluesKaj: ^
[15:20] <krasi-georgiev-M> reinstalling it didn't help
[15:20] <krasi-georgiev-M> what should be the name of the actuall binary that should start and registere itself with the network manager?
[18:12] <Tom-M1> I'd like to use Kubuntu in a computer lab (non-profit, predominantly an after school program). I either want to configure the guest user with some custom settings (mainly programs pinned to the task bar and the firefox home page) or set up a new user that is wiped clean, every time it's logged out. Anybody have advice on the best approach?
[21:34] <unusuario1234> hello
[23:38] <valorie> Tom-M1: there is a Kiosk deal in KDE but I'm not quite sure who to talk to
[23:38] <valorie> probably ask in #kde
[23:38] <valorie> or maybe #kde-devel
[23:39] <valorie> https://userbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Kiosk/Introduction
[23:39] <valorie> might give you more insight whether or not that would fit for you


[05:04] <hikiko> hi
[05:16] <qengho> HI
[06:09] <duflu> Hi
[06:09] <duflu> hI
[06:09] <duflu> That's all of them
[06:11] <duflu> Anyone else finding fully updated yakkety can't start Unity7 today?
[06:11] <duflu> I know at least two of us hit this
[06:19] <pitti> WFM
[06:20] <duflu> If only I had a log file that could tell me why Compiz/Unity7 never starts
[06:20] <duflu> No crashes happened
[06:21] <pitti> ~/.cache/upstart/unity7.log something?
[06:21] <seb128> do you use yakkety-proposed? (just in case)
[06:22] <duflu> Nope, just yakkety
[06:22] <duflu> no PPAs
[06:22] <duflu> nothing custom
[06:22] <duflu> Myself and Brandon can't log in today
[06:22] <seb128> does it just send you back to the greeter?
[06:22] <seb128> maybe delete .cache/upstart then try to log in and see what logs are there
[06:23] <duflu> Grr. I'm spending more than half my days triaging bugs
[06:24] <duflu> Wait, too many crash reports now.
[06:24] <duflu> Need to delete them all and restart
[06:25] <qengho> pitti: Assuming yakkety, is there anything necessary to testing the local resolver changes, other than updating nsswitch.conf?
[06:25] <pitti> qengho: nsswitch should have been updated automatically, wasn't it?
[06:25] <qengho> pitti: I don't know.
[06:26] <pitti> qengho: the "hosts" line should have "resolve dns"
[06:26] <duflu> Weirdly we're in a situation where Unity8/Mir starts more reliably than Unity7/X11
[06:26] <duflu> For some values of "we"
[06:27] <seb128> yeah
[06:27] <seb128> we didn't have much unity7 session issues for  a long time
[06:28] <duflu> OK, first thing is indicator-datetime crashes at the login screen
[06:28] <duflu> That's a new upload
[06:28] <pitti> I get that too
[06:28] <seb128> right, seems th
[06:28] <seb128> right, seems they forgot to depends on whatever new gsettings schemas they need
[06:28] <seb128> dunno how that could land
[06:29] <seb128> Mirv, ^ can we get that looked at or reverted?
[06:29] <seb128> duflu, you are right, session not starting
[06:29] <duflu> seb128: yakkety Unity7?
[06:30] <seb128> yes
[06:30] <seb128> without dbus-user-session
[06:30] <seb128> could be a fallout of the systemd user session work we started
[06:31] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[06:31] <qengho> yo.
[06:33] <duflu> seb128: dbus errors are hurting GTK/Firefox etc in Xmir too. Lots of dbus errors
[06:33] <duflu> Only simple apps free of dbus run quickly
[06:34] <ricotz> hi, is there a known *xenial* problem where lightdm looses the session-indicator after running a gnome-flashback session
[06:35] <andyrock> morning
[06:35] <seb128> ricotz, hey, not a known bug afaik
[06:35] <seb128> hey andyrock, up early!
[06:36] <andyrock> :D
[06:36] <andyrock> i've to go back to Apulia this afternoon
[06:36] <duflu> seb128: Surprisingly first bug?   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1604251
[06:36] <duflu> It's private while retracing
[06:37] <seb128> k
[06:38] <ricotz> seb128, I see, this is while using the unity-greeter which I guess still uses some upstart bits
[06:38] <seb128> it does yes
[06:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, good morning!
[06:40] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi!
[06:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, sorry to start your day with a question ... ;-)
[06:41] <Mirv> seb128: indicator-datetime? ok, I'll test the new bileto revert feature and try preparing a silo for the release from 10h ago.
[06:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, is lightdm using the Exec= value of the sessions' .desktop directly?
[06:41] <seb128> or through X11 scripts and $STARTUP?
[06:41] <seb128> Mirv, thanks
[06:42] <pitti> seb128, duflu: I'll revert the Exec= change in gnome-session for now, that gets back to working session
[06:42] <robert_ancell> seb128, it runs it through /usr/sbin/lightdm-session which runs the X11 scripts
[06:42] <pitti> yeah, that's what I thought
[06:42] <duflu> pitti: Cool, thanks. Can I test a workaround?
[06:42] <pitti> and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99upstart completely overwrites it, so I couldn't see how it would be relevant
[06:43] <pitti> duflu: downgrade ubuntu-desktop or sudo vi /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop to replace Exec=gnome-session --session=ubuntu
[06:47] <pitti> uploaded
[06:49] <Mirv> not sure if you're already uploading a fix but a revert is building at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-017/+packages
[06:50] <seb128> no, we are working on gnome-session issues
[06:50] <seb128> thanks!
[06:52] <duflu> pitti: Thanks, that works
[06:55] <Mirv> seb128: oh, maybe it's because gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas is in proposed? no? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/054 is the landing from where indicator-datetime came from
[06:55] <Mirv> hmm, I guess not if it was on desktop and touch-schemas is on touch only
[06:56] <seb128> Mirv, could be, but it should have a depends on the version it needs
[06:56] <Mirv> at least on my xenial desktop I don't have that package installed so maybe it's unrelated then
[07:01] <seb128> Mirv, well, they looks like they depends on a new key that was added to that schemas and it's missing the depends and overlooked the desktop case
[07:02] <Laney> morning!
[07:03] <Laney> ochosi: nice
[07:03] <pitti> robert_ancell: unping, I know what happened
[07:07] <ochosi> Laney: looking back, in terms of maintenance i'm sure it's the better way to go (SASS/SCSS)
[07:07] <ochosi> otherwise it's hard to impossible to go from one gtk3 version to the next
[07:07] <ochosi> it all just becomes far too unreadable
[07:07] <Laney> it's pretty mad
[07:09] <Trevinho> Morning!
[07:09] <seb128> hey Trevinho, Italy is waking up today!
[07:09] <seb128> they probably couldn't digest those big steaks
[07:12] <Trevinho> seb128: ahahah, that's the thing :-D
[07:12] <Trevinho> seb128: 1.2kg is the minimum cut you can get, so... We went for 1.6 :)
[07:13] <seb128> you are kidding right?
[07:13] <Trevinho> nope
[07:13] <seb128> each? ;-)
[07:13] <Laney> seb128 had a "Lady Steak" last night
[07:13] <Trevinho> No, no... That's to share
[07:13] <seb128> O_o
[07:13] <Laney> 175g
[07:13] <seb128> :-(
[07:13] <Trevinho> And it includes the bone.... But, still... Lots of meat.
[07:13]  * seb128 hides in shame
[07:13] <Trevinho> And the bone has the best meat... But you've to work on it
[07:14] <seb128> right
[07:14] <seb128> but 1.6k
[07:14] <seb128> man
[07:14] <qengho> Trevinho: 1.2 is a weird place to draw the line. Any idea why?
[07:14] <Trevinho> It's because Fiorentina steak has to have a certain thikness, and it can be done only in certain parts....
[07:15] <Trevinho> thus...
[07:15] <qengho> Okay, I see. I don't want to give any UKers ideasa about blaming the EU.
[07:17] <Trevinho> We can still export to them to very high prices... Although is not cheap here too... It goes from 38-45€/kg
[07:18] <Trevinho> anway... Laney did you see my patch/messages?
[07:22] <Laney> YEAH MAN
[07:22] <Laney> i'm building your nautilus right now
[07:29] <pitti> Laney: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3750
[07:30] <tedg> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-datetime/systemd-unit/+merge/300420
[07:53] <seb128> tedg, https://bloerg.net/2015/03/06/pkg-config-variables-in-cmake.html
[07:57] <willcooke> morning all
[07:57] <qengho> heyhey
[07:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:58] <willcooke> gawd, it was hot last night.
[07:58] <seb128> today is going to be the same according to L_aney
[07:59] <seb128> he showed us the bbc prevision
[07:59] <seb128> enjoy real summer!
[07:59] <willcooke> both days of it :)
[07:59] <seb128> prevision->forecast
[07:59] <seb128> well, it's most that you usually have
[07:59] <seb128> those brits never happy
[07:59] <willcooke> :)))
[07:59] <seb128> you should summer-exit
[07:59] <Laney> yeah, it goes away when I get home
[08:00] <Laney> THANKS LEAVE
[08:00] <willcooke> lol
[08:02] <qengho> EU Regulation VRQ 97.882§9 mandates July temperatures be no warmer than 306 Kelvin.
[08:20] <Sweet5hark1> when I was on vacation in Wales as a kid, they had a post with two pictures subtitled "summer in Wales" and "winter in Wales".
[08:21] <hikiko> robert_ancell: ping
[08:21] <hikiko> here?
[08:21] <robert_ancell> hikiko, hi
[08:21] <hikiko> hello :)
[08:21] <hikiko> I wanted to ask you something you might have done it
[08:21] <robert_ancell> sure
[08:22] <Sweet5hark1> Both picture showed a green field and a sheep ... in the rain. Coming from nothern germany, it felt very much like home (except for the sheep).
[08:26] <hikiko> robert_ancell: I have this "problem": my pc has 2 GPUs an nvidia and an intel. I want to test a bug in nvidia cards that occurs in multimonitor with the nouveau driver. So, I plugged 2 monitors in the nvidia and I had 2 monitors in the intel as well... So, on xfce4 I am able to choose any monitors I want (nvidia, intel share the same opengl implementation) but on unity I can't start the 2 nvidia
[08:26] <hikiko> monitors together... plus when I boot, only the monitors that are plugged in the intel are active (the intel driver works) can I somehow configure xserver and then lightdm to use the nvidia monitors with unity and the nouveau driver?
[08:27] <hikiko> :s/nvidia/nouveau/g
[08:27] <hikiko> I don't use the prop driver because it has its own gl implementation
[08:28] <robert_ancell> hikiko, you are switching between xfce/unity at the greeter? i.e. everything outside the session is the same?
[08:28] <hikiko> no
[08:29] <hikiko> robert_ancell: I use another session for xfce4, I run startx, different xserver instance
[08:29] <robert_ancell> hikiko, are you using any X configuration when using startx?
[08:30] <hikiko> no, I don't have any xorg.conf, I think the default settings are used
[08:30] <robert_ancell> hikiko, at the moment the only thing I can think of is unity-settings-daemon is doing something different to the xfce equivalent
[08:33] <hikiko> I'll compare those thanks robert_ancell :)
[08:44] <Laney> Trevinho: where do you see black corners?
[08:46] <Trevinho> Laney: in everything that is ran before unity
[08:47] <Trevinho> Laney: so for example if you open a natilus window
[08:47] <Laney> looks ok to me here
[08:47] <Laney> i guess it's racy?
[08:47] <Trevinho> Laney: run something like stop unity7 && gnome-calendar & sleep 1 && start unity7
[08:47] <Laney> ._.
[08:48] <Trevinho> Laney: no, it's because gtk doesn't reset the rgba value when a compositor arrives (this happens also with metacity and no gtk patches)
[08:48] <Trevinho> Laney: for unity7 there's another issue
[08:48] <Laney> roh
[08:49] <Trevinho> Laney: basically we include in _NET_SUPPORTED that we run in unity7, but gdk doesn't update the net supported list when it changes (but 1), plus that's delayed compared to the compositor appearance.. So we'd still need a timeout
[08:50] <Trevinho> I've some hacks around, but I've to fix gdk before, then I can fix the other part
[08:50] <Laney> oh right, so some stuff that comes up before unity doesn't notice this
[08:50] <Trevinho> some fixes can be shared with upstream too
[08:50] <Laney> thanks for looking, lookig forward to your patches ;-)
[08:51] <Trevinho> "(but 1)" ^^^ s/but/bug
[08:51] <Laney> i uploaded your nautilus to the ppa now
[08:51] <Laney> can haz wallpaper
[08:51] <Trevinho> Laney: funny is that without our gtk patches even the workaround of restarting it, wouldn't work
[08:54] <Laney> oh?
[08:56] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah... speaking of nautilus bg eh... However the patch I provided would fix it for both cases
[09:00] <Trevinho> as for gtk apps I'll see what I can do, but there's something wron in gdk about notifying the net supported changes
[09:01] <Laney> go chat to upstream :P
[09:01] <Trevinho> yeah, you're right
[09:28] <hikiko_> Laney, help :)
[09:29] <Laney> at your service
[09:29] <hikiko_> Laney, do you remember that multiple monitor bug a few days ago?
[09:29] <Laney> yeah
[09:29] <Laney> but
[09:29] <hikiko_> that you tested in your nouveau card
[09:30] <Laney> I'm not at home so I can't test stuff
[09:30]  * Laney is at seb's place
[09:30] <hikiko_> I got an nvidia myself
[09:30] <hikiko_> I just can't reproduce it
[09:30] <hikiko_> I have a 3ple monitor setup
[09:30] <Laney> using nouveau?
[09:30] <hikiko_> yes
[09:30] <Laney> it was just: open dash on second monitor
[09:30] <hikiko_> OpenGL vendor string: nouveau
[09:31] <Laney> on yakkety
[09:31] <Laney> but that change is reverted, so you need to install the old version or build from bzr or something
[09:31] <Laney> distro won't have the bug
[09:32] <hikiko_> oh I just reproduced it, I just needed to open the dash in the 3rd monitor so, it's the last monitor
[09:32] <hikiko_> thanks Laney :)
[09:32] <hikiko_> solved
[09:32] <hikiko_> "solved" :p I have to fix the bug now :p
[09:32] <hikiko_> but thank you :)
[09:33] <Laney> nice
[09:33] <Laney> good luck
[09:33] <hikiko_> thanks!
[09:48] <pitti> Laney:
[09:48] <pitti> Laney: journalctl -t gnome-keyring-daemon|cat
[10:32] <Laney> meow
[11:06] <Trevinho> hikiko|ln: I've like the impression is cased by the dash trying to get a location that is not correctly blurred because you're now passing to it some relative sizes
[11:06] <Trevinho> not sure what's the best way.. But i guess that's what happens...
[11:07] <Trevinho> Although... That wouldn't explain why this doesn't happen in non nvidia cards
[11:09] <hikiko|ln> yeah...
[11:10] <hikiko|ln> I'll look at the blur after lunch break it seems that it always starts in the 1st monitor so it can be the position
[11:11] <hikiko|ln> but why in nvidia only?
[11:29] <Trevinho> Laney: as for the greeter... Mh, which issue is there?
[11:30] <Trevinho> I also think there's something inside unity to change, since we're forcing a theme for force-quit dialogs and... that doesn't work anymore -_-
[11:42] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: when is that session about l10n and snap packages? do you have a schedule somewherE?
[12:27] <dpm> Sweet5hark1, https://trello.com/b/oMRh1Jtx/snappy-sprint-heidelberg-july-2016 - I've not yet put it on the schedule, but it'll most probably go on Thursday, as IIRC you couldn't make it on Wednesday
[12:29] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: yeah, I have visitors from RedHat on Wednesday. I also have two calls on Thursday -- I think I can skip the for once, but I'd like to know so I can tell them.
[12:56] <dpm> Sweet5hark1, we go through the schedule every evening, it's a bit dynamic and we need to make sure there is no conflict
[12:57] <Sweet5hark1> kk
[14:54] <Laney> Trevinho: get the password wrong or press escape on the password prompt
[15:09] <Laney> Trevinho/andyrock/hikiko: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2016-July/msg00017.html <- interesting for you
[15:28] <willcooke> Laney, seb128 - are you guys around for the meeting?
[15:29] <seb128> I can post my status update
[15:29] <seb128> going to be concise anyway
[15:29] <seb128> schprint
[15:29] <willcooke> :)
[15:30] <Laney> sure
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-07-19
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 19 15:31:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock (out), attente, desrt (hols),  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney (sprint), qengho (out), seb128 (sprint), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (sprint)
[15:31] <FJKong> hey
[15:32] <willcooke> I'm going to get started since I have mostly copy & paste today
[15:32] <willcooke> and we can get done quickly
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <willcooke> 1. [BUG:1506023] Unityshell sometimes is removed from active-plugins
[15:32] <willcooke> unity list - DONE
[15:32] <willcooke> 2. [BUG:1600389] Keep the screen locked if autologin is enabled - DONE
[15:32] <willcooke> 3. [BUG:1526322] Lock screen shows unnecessary warning about numlock - DONE
[15:32] <willcooke> 4. Bug Triaging
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:32] <willcooke> Hey attente if you're not ready I can come back to you later
[15:32] <willcooke> counting down from 30....
[15:32] <attente> i'm ready
[15:32] <willcooke> ah cool!
[15:33] <attente> this week was just final revisions to the menu patches, which i just merged into gtk master this morning
[15:33] <willcooke> \o/
[15:33] <attente> also did/doing some more patch review of anpok's gtk-mir fixes
[15:33] <attente> that's all
[15:33] <attente> finally
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks attente, well done :)
[15:34] <attente> just writing up some requirements for the mir team now
[15:34] <willcooke> super, thanks
[15:34] <willcooke> attente, eof?
[15:35] <attente> yup, sorry, (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> * after some non-desktop distractions I'm back to working on bug #1598183
[15:35] <dgadomski> * back to darktable snap - debugging gtk-launch wrapper
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:35] <willcooke> let us know if you need help with the gtk launcher
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:36] <FJKong>  hi
[15:36] <FJKong> 1 analyze coredump file of sogou IM, prepare for improveing stability in next version of upgrading
[15:36] <FJKong> 2 translate for Photos Scope (bug/1588640)
[15:36] <FJKong> 3 fixing libpng dependency problem of sogou IM building
[15:36] <FJKong> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:36] <willcooke> 1. network-manager SRU lands in xenial
[15:36] <willcooke> 2. libxml2/2.9.4
[15:36] <willcooke> 3. yet another dkms patch merge
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:36] <willcooke> - setup, lxc etc and merged my 1st snap (for hexchat)
[15:36] <willcooke> - spme minor fixes on nux (compile errors on other systems)
[15:36] <willcooke> - minor lowgfx u7 fixes for icon animations that won't be merged
[15:36] <willcooke> - reverted the multimonitor fix that revealed a blur related bug (only
[15:36] <willcooke> seen in nvidia cards) and started the debug (that today)
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:37] <Laney> erm
[15:37] <Laney> one second
[15:37] <willcooke> Laney, you want me to come back?
[15:37] <Laney> • Some work on the appstream staging environment, ready for me to move into next now
[15:37] <Laney> • Help with landing some unity changes and reverts, including into SRU
[15:37] <Laney> • Verify some SRUs
[15:37] <Laney> • Some small work on libpeas rdeps now that this is synced
[15:37] <Laney> • sprint on systemd --user, currently finding and fixing some issues
[15:37] <Laney> • Last theme things, merge some contributions, fix a few more issues, review some contributions from Trevinho, should be good enough to go this week or Monday now
[15:37] <Laney> 😨
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:38] <willcooke> - Chromium deb security update 51.0.2704.106
[15:38] <willcooke> -- Fixing Precise builds and libstdc link
[15:38] <willcooke> -- Maybe switching to single binary instead of 40 dynamic linked libs.
[15:38] <willcooke> -- Finished moving from GYP to GN!
[15:38] <willcooke> -- Using ~8 more dev packages from repos, instead of so many tree-bundled copies.
[15:38] <willcooke> - dekko snap almost done. Needs theme fix (halp? Qt doesn't want Humanity icons!) and real-world mailing tests.
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:38] <seb128> • thursday off for french national day
[15:38] <seb128> • helped verifying some of the .1 SRUs
[15:38] <seb128> • systemd mini sprint
[15:38] <seb128>
[15:38] <seb128> that's it for me this week
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice 5.2 rc2 now available as a snap with some basic l10n from the store
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> - blogged about that and shared: https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/07/18/libreoffice-5-2-0-2-available-in-the-snap-store/
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> - various upstream code review
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> - submitted papers for two talks at the LibreOffice conference in Brno
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> - various snap bits about channels and audiences
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1 - nicely done on the upload to the store
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:39] <willcooke> * Discussed with snappy folks about extra bits required to support a cdparanoia snap, see snapcraft ML and bug #.
[15:39] <willcooke> * Finally got Pulse 9 into yakkety.
[15:39] <willcooke> * Worked on upstreaing a patch for libao to allow easier configuration of where it finds its config file, so that libao can be snapped properly without the need for patches. Not usptreamed yet, will do so in coming days.
[15:39] <willcooke> * Further improvements to flac and vorbis-tools snaps, need to get them somewhere public, although vorbis-tools requires libao, and the above problem needs solving.
[15:39] <willcooke> no till atm
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Fixed nautilus black-background on Gtk 3.20
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Analyzed the issues causing non-rgba Gtk windows when compositor is not enabled
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Fixed regressions in Compiz CCP causing crashes
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Rewritten unity migration scripts to work with both unity profiles
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Fixed unity script to take care of the unity-lowgfx profile
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Disabled one remaining animation in switcher (when in lowgfx)
[15:39] <Trevinho> · lowgfx SRU finally landed in xenial-updates
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Some more work in the ubuntu system components menu items
[15:39] <Trevinho> · Learned how to make Orecchiette pasta
[15:39] <Trevinho> · END of Italians accidental (but actually productive) minisprint :/. Need to organize a new wider one.
[15:39] <Trevinho> ...
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho :)
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:40] <willcooke> - LightDM Unity 8 in-session greeter work
[15:40] <willcooke> - Snap sprint
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:40] <willcooke> I'm off Thursday and Friday this week.
[15:40] <willcooke> I think normal service will be resumed next week.
[15:40] <Laney> party time?
[15:41] <willcooke> Well, interesting story
[15:41] <willcooke> I'm going to Dungeness
[15:41] <willcooke> and I will tell you all about it when (if) I get back
[15:41] <seb128> good luck!
[15:42] <Laney> maybe you'll gain some extra toes
[15:42] <willcooke> :))
[15:42] <willcooke> and then on Saturday I'm going to.....
[15:42] <willcooke> Sizewell
[15:42] <willcooke> because why not
[15:42] <willcooke> that's a pretty normal thing to do, right?
[15:42] <Laney> when in the vague eastern area...
[15:43] <Laney> is this organised or just you?
[15:43] <willcooke> Me, popey and aquarius
[15:43] <Laney> suspicious
[15:43] <willcooke> and if it works out, then I'll publish the agenda and route
[15:43] <seb128> there is no way u.k is leaving
[15:43] <seb128> they prefer to blow it out of the map
[15:43]  * Laney alerts the CNC
[15:44] <seb128> sounds like a wrap for the meeting though :-)
[15:44] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 15:44:30 2016 UTC.
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-07-19-15.31.moin.txt
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:44] <seb128> you get the badge of the most efficient meeting of the year
[15:44] <willcooke> ha
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: lets just dry out the channel. then they cant leave!
[15:45] <seb128> well they are blowing the island off
[15:45] <Laney> some dutch person trolled me about brexit today
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> we just drill a hole it the roof of the eurotunnel and wait until the channel is empty
[15:46] <Sweet5hark1> Trust me, I studied physics once.
[15:47]  * ogra_ also once read a physics book and totally approves
[15:49] <seb128> lol
[15:50]  * Sweet5hark1 still loves the british humor. SkyNews just showed a Brexit teaser -- and as a background music they used the Who's "Wont get fooled again". No lyrics to be heard, but hilarious if you know the lyrics.
[16:04] <desrt> attente: congrats on the menu patch!
[16:04] <seb128> indeed, well done attente!
[16:05] <attente> desrt, seb128: thanks! ^_^
[16:05] <desrt> That is an awesome accomplishment
[16:05] <desrt> You should feel proud
[16:07] <attente> might pop open one of your coronas tonight
[16:07] <seb128> :-)
[16:46] <Laney> pitti: http://paste.debian.net/783210/
[16:48] <pitti>             dbus-update-activation-environment --systemd $v=$$(eval "echo \$$$${v}"); \
[16:48] <pitti>   yummy!
[17:44] <willcooke> quittin time
[17:45] <willcooke> night all
[17:45]  * willcooke goes to look for somewhere cool
[18:29] <pitti> bregma: hey!
[18:29] <pitti> bregma: do you happen to know any qemu -vga option that works with unity 8?
[18:29] <bregma> pitti, ho!
[18:30] <pitti> I tried vmware and qxl so far
[18:30] <bregma> pitti, no, I have never tried Unity 8 under QEMU
[18:30] <pitti> bregma: ok, thanks; I'll keep trying
[18:30] <bregma> Mir is sorely lacking proper VESA support


[00:24] <Takyoji> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2010-February/003863.html
[00:56] <Takyoji> Gah, if only SVG images could be used as backgrounds with the use of CSS
[00:56] <Takyoji> only Opera supports it currently supposed
[00:56] <Takyoji> supposedly*
[01:27] <Takyoji> I'm trying to create a FOSS-related website; but one of the things that's difficult is to think of what would be symbolic of FOSS to incorperate
[01:27] <Takyoji> or just of what type of stock imagery I should take
[02:08] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Is there a LoCo mtg in here tomorrow?
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> yes
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> Although I just noticed the Google Calendar is all screwed up :(
[02:10] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: yours or the team's?  And, the team has a Google Calendar?
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> team's, and yes
[02:12] <sparklehistory> Where?
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/pdvcqb9e4iksplcuf19imna6us%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
[02:15] <sparklehistory> Why does it want me to download it?
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> because you clicked on it.
[02:18] <sparklehistory> well, duh
[02:18] <sparklehistory> I mean why can't I just look at it online?
[02:19] <tonyyarusso> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=pdvcqb9e4iksplcuf19imna6us%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago
[02:19] <sparklehistory> thank you
[02:20] <sparklehistory> So it's not supposed to say there's a mtg on Sun. Feb. 7 @1:00?
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> no
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> That got messed up by my Nokia.
[21:44] <Takyoji> So there's a meeting today then?
[21:46] <Takyoji> For those that are interested; I found this today: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/167-amanda-mcpherson/280632-how-to-learn-linux-from-the-developers-of-linux-for-free
[22:01]  * Takyoji reposts for _diablo
 So there's a meeting today then?
[22:01] <Takyoji>  For those that are interested; I found this today: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/167-amanda-mcpherson/280632-how-to-learn-linux-from-the-developers-of-linux-for-free
[22:03] <_diablo> Takyoji, what time?
[22:04] <Takyoji> additionally I had a good idea for a topic of discussion for the meeting: anyone willing to participate would have to do like x hours of work through contributing to some form of a FOSS project. Such as writing content for the Spread Ubuntu "Make Materials", working on an IRC bot to fit all our needs on this channel, working on the Minnesota LoCo website, creating marketing material, contributing code to some project, etc
[22:05] <Takyoji> Just as a basic initiative for people to do something, and have people talking more.
[22:05] <Takyoji> otherwise I'm not entirely sure; I think it's some time after 7pm
[22:07] <_diablo> kk
[22:07] <_diablo> yeah, that's a good thing to bring up. I'd post it.
[22:09] <Takyoji> We can discuss it at the IRC meeting and work out the details, then throw it on the mailing list as well
[22:10] <Takyoji> one thing that would be nice is that if we were a little more collaborative; it just seems everyone's quietly doing their own little things
[22:12] <Takyoji> because I'd love to brainstorm/discuss/weigh ideas before executing them. I'm quite an indecisive individual
[22:15] <_diablo> agreed
[22:28] <mr_steve> I for one would love to commit to spending a certain amount of time working on FOSS, if my schedule can allow it
[22:30] <mr_steve> I like packaging software for Ubuntu, which probably means I'm masochistic, but someone's gotta do it :)
[22:31] <_diablo> I don't have any idea how to do that, but I'm interested
[22:31] <mr_steve> Some of it can be pretty easy, but it gets complicated in a hurry. Definitely a steep learning curve
[22:31] <_diablo> aight, fair enough
[22:32] <Takyoji> And that's the other thing, people could also learn how to contribute in some things, such as packaging
[22:32] <_diablo> yup
[22:32] <mr_steve> And documentation. I should be doing some of that myself. If I spend a few hours learning how to use some poorly-documented package, why shouldn't I share that knowledge?
[22:35] <Takyoji> By the way, are there "todo lists" in terms of what should be worked on? Such as with the Ubuntu wiki, etc
[22:36] <mr_steve> I think some of the various teams keep todo lists on the wiki, but otherwise it'd just be the bugs/blueprints on launchpad
[22:38] <Takyoji> otherwise out of curiosity; what packages have you maintained?
[22:39] <mr_steve> I haven't gotten any new packages into the official repos yet, but I do maintain a patched version of f-spot that doesn't screw up timestamps
[22:40] <mr_steve> that was the one that got me started. I also have a few version-bumped packages in my PPA, like the Gourmet recipe manager
[22:40] <_diablo> is that what maintained means? I thought that meant like contributing code and stuff.
[22:41] <mr_steve> Nah, package maintainers just keep the packages up-to-date within Ubuntu/Debian whatever. Although a fair number of maintainers are also the authors of the software
[22:44] <_diablo> ah, fair enough
[22:54] <mr_steve> so Takyoji, you mentioned something about getting a more useful bot in this channel; has there ever been any talk about that before?
[22:57] <Takyoji> Minimal; I can't remember what was previously suggested as potential features
[22:59] <Takyoji> I think it may have been discussed last meeting
[23:01] <mr_steve> Ah I don't recall if it was or not. Only reason I ask is because I've started using supybot in the channel for my BBS, and it's reasonably awesome.
[23:01] <Takyoji> ahh
[23:01] <Takyoji> Supybot was the primary consideration
[23:03] <mr_steve> Yeah, it's nice, and easy to write new plugins for. If we ever talk about it again in the meeting or something I can easily demo it, since it's already installed and running on my server
[23:05] <mr_steve> oh, heh, the meeting's supposed to be tonight, isn't it? Time flies
[23:08] <Takyoji> yea
[23:11] <Takyoji> Heh; World of Goo is quite interesting
[23:14] <Takyoji> I'll definitely have to buy the Linux version
[23:17] <Takyoji> Ooo, I wonder if 10.04 will actually have a non-buggy PulseAudio implementation! :P
[23:21] <mr_steve> Wouldn't that be nice
[23:22] <mr_steve> I've actually been reasonably happy with it, except that moving a playing stream between sinks gives me chipmunks-audio
[23:22] <mr_steve> That and getting mpd to work without a user logged in requires a virgin sacrifice
[23:24] <Takyoji> And so I just bought World of Goo..
[23:25] <Takyoji> All my time is going to be horridly stolen from me now. xP
[23:30] <Takyoji> Interesting; only 63MB
[23:33] <Takyoji> Although it is just 2D
[23:56] <Obsidian1723> So..question..anyone have any thoughts on the purchasing of Sun Microsystems Inc by Oracle? I use both OpenOffice.org and MySQL, not sure about the fate of either one right now. Any thoughts?


[00:01] <xubuntu788> hello
[00:01] <xubuntu788> i am installin xubuntu 12.04 :D
[00:01] <xubuntu788> no speak english :8
[00:02] <GridCube> xubuntu788, what is your language?
[00:03] <xubuntu788> spanish
[00:03] <xubuntu788> is a older pc, pentium 4, 2. 4 gz, 1.5  ram
[00:03] <GridCube> xubuntu788, :) por favor entra en #ubuntu-es
[00:03] <GridCube> :D
[00:04] <xubuntu788> allá voy
[00:04] <xubuntu788> gracias!
[00:46] <Ntemis> hi
[00:47] <Ntemis> i like the dock but i would like to remove it and install cairo dock
[00:47] <Ntemis> is it possible?
[00:48] <GridCube> Ntemis, its not a dock
[00:48] <GridCube> its just a panel
[00:48] <GridCube> you can simple delete it but it will never come back
[00:49] <Ntemis> i prefer cairo dock anw
[00:49] <GridCube> :)
[00:49] <GridCube> as said, its just a panel
[00:49] <Ntemis> great work you done here guys
[00:49] <GridCube> :D
[00:50] <Ntemis> am newbie at xubuntu
[00:50] <GridCube> glad you like it, the devs will be happy :D
[00:50] <Ntemis> but i really hate that canonical is using users as beta testers on that sh..ty unity
[00:51] <Ntemis> it sucks
[00:51] <Ntemis> i want my old gnome back
[00:51] <pleia2> Ntemis: that's really off-topic here, please don't bash other systems
[00:51] <Ntemis> but i found a new base to land ;)
[00:52] <pleia2> I've never used cairo dock, but I'd suggest doing some google searches for like: xfce cairo dock
[00:52] <Ntemis> my bad pleia2
[00:54] <gambo> Why does gmusicbrowser play music that isn't in my current filter?
[01:00] <Ntemis> thanks pleia2  i am a cairo dock user for many years
[01:02] <GridCube> gambo, because, the filter just shows you what you searched, but the playlist is still whole
[01:02] <GridCube> gambo, install another media player, you will be happier
[01:02] <gambo> hahah
[01:02]  * GridCube has really bad opinions on gmusicbrowser
[01:02] <gambo> i see
[01:03] <gambo> it definitely seems counter-intuitive so far =/
[01:03] <GridCube> but dont take them from me, please enjoy messing your brain trying to figure out how it works
[01:03] <GridCube> you will have an eureka moment, believe me
[01:04] <gambo> well, I have gripes with amarok and banshee... are there others that are as powerful?
[01:05] <gambo> (and rhythmbox)
[01:05] <GridCube> in any case, install exaile, or audacious (not a bad mediatheque actually), clementine, rhytmbox
[01:06] <GridCube> theres a new one, let me find it
[01:08] <GridCube> gambo, http://getnightingale.com/
[01:09] <gambo> hmm, will check it out, thanks!
[01:09] <GridCube> :) de nada
[03:00] <xubuntu054> There, seriously, is a working IRC client built into the (X)Ubuntu install process??  Is this real life?
[03:01] <Unit193> You need to wake up, Neo.
[03:01] <xubuntu054> That's a whole bunch of awesome, dipped in a bucket of odd.
[03:03] <xubuntu054> Wonder what happens if I start bookmarking stuff in this FF instance...
[03:04] <xubuntu054> I'll find out,after the install is complete, if those bookmarks make it into system.
[03:04] <Unit193> They won't.
[03:05] <xubuntu054> Oh.
[03:05] <xubuntu054> :)
[03:06] <xubuntu054> Still a pretty awesome time-kill while it installs.  I've not used anything except the 'alternate' install in years.
[03:06] <xubuntu054> (Habit from when the graphical install was flaky)
[06:28] <Fudge> anyone familiar with xfce accessibility
[06:38] <baizon> !ask | Fudge
[06:39] <Fudge> baizon  i actually did ask a question and I am familiar with !ask, thanks
[06:39] <baizon> but this will include a next question
[06:41] <Fudge> loL yes
[06:44] <Fudge> I want to be able to set accessibility on in xfce without using the gui to do it
[06:46] <baizon> see ;)
[06:46] <baizon> how come?
[06:50] <Fudge> baizon  because I use orca to use the desktop and without accessibility turned on orca doesnt work
[06:51] <Fudge> so unless someone can provide instructions to do it withotu seeing the screen or as I thought changing a conf file or using sed to enable accessibility. but i dont know where the setting is
[06:56] <baizon> Fudge: man orca
[06:56] <baizon> Fudge: something like "orca -t" should be what you want :)
[06:57] <Fudge> I use orca all the time, orca starts but it does not set accessibility
[06:58] <baizon> orca --enable
[06:58] <baizon> ?
[06:59] <Sysi> a sec..
[07:03] <Sysi> hrm, can't find it from xfconf
[07:04] <Fudge> apparently it can be done within xfce
[07:04] <Fudge> the only thing I get though is welcome to orca, the rest of it doesnt work until accessibility is enabled
[07:09]  * Fudge shrugs
[11:00] <recon_tv> hi all, upgrade time is here for me :)
[11:59] <recon_tv> ok, so the upgrade did not go smooth :( , being a bit to optimistic
[12:54] <aguitel> brasero
[12:54] <laite> recon_tv: you could try ripperx
[12:57] <laite> can brasero rip cd:s? I thought it was only for burning them
[12:59] <recon_tv> trying ripperx
[13:01] <recon_tv> thx, ripperx works a charm
[13:03] <aguitel> yeah ,it ripperx
[13:04] <aguitel> in firefox tabs ,the fonts are in different dark
[13:09] <recon_tv> wonder why releases nearly always mess up really simple things, like playing mp3's !!!!
[13:10] <Sysi> if you did fresh install, it's because mp3 codec is licenced and can't be bundled in cd
[13:10] <Sysi> licenced with wrong licence that is, if it was GPL/BSD/something it would be okay
[13:11] <recon_tv>  seems ripperx gave me a bunch of 2kb files
[13:13] <aquix> recon_tv  the lame lib is in the repos
[13:13] <recon_tv> no, can play mp3's, ripping them seems to be the problem
[13:16] <recon_tv> ripperx encodes mp3 files, watch the size increase in filemanager as it works, when it finishes the size drops back to 2kb, ??
[13:18] <aquix> 2kb is some sort of info text file
[13:18] <aquix> your doing something wrong
[13:19] <laite> recon_tv: did you check from ripperx's config that there is mp3-encoder selected
[13:19] <laite> install package 'lame' if you can't find any suitable encoder
[13:21] <recon_tv> lame encode was selected, trying to flac now
[13:27] <recon_tv> worked to flack, wonder if it's a bug
[13:27] <recon_tv> even worked on CD2 :)
[13:36] <aquix> recon_tv   good boy for using flac, even how unvoluntairy :p
[13:37] <recon_tv> mp3 was default, moved over to flack, but a lot of portable players do not like it
[13:38] <recon_tv> anyway, white mink black cotton is a rocking album if you into swing
[13:39] <milen8204> hello all, I can`t boot alternative Xubuntu 12.04 from USB stic
[13:39] <milen8204> stick*
[13:40] <milen8204> I have google it and made all changes written in the net but nothing happens
[13:42] <recon_tv> milen8204: could be lots of things, how does it fail to boot?
[13:43] <recon_tv> and what did you use to make the usb image
[13:50] <milen8204> no defoult or UI configuration foun
[13:50] <milen8204> or something like that
[13:51] <milen8204> Ubuntu 11.10 startin disk creator
[13:51] <milen8204> I used
[13:51] <milen8204> that to make my USB disk
[13:52] <recon_tv> milen8204 what os you using to create the usb stick?
[13:53] <milen8204> recon_tv, Ubuntu 11.10
[13:54] <recon_tv> have you tried usb-creator-gtk , that'll probably work better
[13:55] <milen8204> the USB stick boots on my laptop but does not on my PC
[13:56] <recon_tv> sounds like a conflict then, have you tried to boot to terminal?
[14:05] <recon_tv> brighttness applet not working
[14:05] <aquix> boot to terminal?
[14:09] <recon_tv> aquix: press shift as you boot to get boot menu, look for rescue mode or boot to terminal as an option.
[14:09] <recon_tv> aquix: I think, not sure of this and busy rebooting one of my boxes already
[14:10] <aquix> try     startx
[14:13] <milen8204> aquix, startx ?
[14:15] <aquix> milen8204  it's a command to start x.org and then your desktop enviroment:          startx
[14:16] <recon_tv> milen8204: when you get to a terminal if you type startx it will start the windows manager
[14:17] <recon_tv> milen8204 then you can look at the error message if there is one
[14:18] <milen8204> recon_tv, but I am trying to install Xubuntu 12.04, and does not boot trough bios
[14:18] <milen8204> have no terminal there
[14:18] <aquix> milen8204 install it how?
[14:18] <milen8204> to another PC
[14:19] <aquix> using cd or usb?
[14:19] <milen8204> I try to boot Xubuntu 12.04 installation using USB stick
[14:20] <aquix> milen8204 in older bioses you have to set the hdd boot order since the usb stick will register as a hard drive.
[14:21] <milen8204> I wrote .iso file on CD but in the middle of installation an error-massage appeared and interrupted the installation
[14:21] <milen8204> aquix, ok
[14:22] <milen8204> I will try
[14:22] <recon_tv> milen8204: did you check the CD for errors? are you booting off the CD when you get the error, or when you are installing , still unclear
[14:23] <aquix> milen8204 use unetbootin for making a live usb, btw
[14:24] <milen8204> aquix, does not work still get that massage
[14:25] <aquix> crap
[14:25] <aquix> refresh my nuggin. what is that message
[14:26] <milen8204> aquix, how to check CD ?
[14:26] <aquix> milen8204 you can check the iso you downloaded by comparing md5 hash sums
[14:27] <recon_tv> milen8204, tell us again exactly what you are doing and what is happening
[14:27] <aquix> but let's be real. doesn't happen
[14:27] <milen8204> recon_tv, I am trying to install Xubuntu 12.04 on my old PC
[14:28] <recon_tv> hope this does not turn into 20 yes/no questions
[14:28] <recon_tv> are you using a usb stick or a cd to install from?
[14:28] <aquix> hes using a usb stick
[14:28] <aquix> it fails on him
[14:28] <milen8204> I had downloaded desctop iso file
[14:28] <milen8204> first I have burn it on CD
[14:29] <milen8204> but in the middle of installation an error appeared
[14:29] <aquix> milen8204 what did you format the usb stick with? recommended i fat 32
[14:29] <aquix> oh
[14:29] <milen8204> and tried to install iso file whit USB
[14:30] <milen8204> aquix, I have formatted  FAT 32
[14:30] <aquix> good
[14:31] <recon_tv> milen8204: when you boot from cd, there should be a option to check the cd, try that first
[14:31] <aquix> milen8204 you mention both cd and usb. we need to now what happened with both methods.
[14:31] <milen8204> now I tried to install whit USB but I am getting an error no DEFAUT or UI configuration directive faund
[14:31] <aquix> milen8204 do you get to the grub menu?
[14:31] <milen8204> whit CD yes
[14:32] <aquix> and usb?
[14:32] <milen8204> USB no
[14:32] <milen8204> :D
[14:33] <recon_tv> milen8204: you bios probably not set to boot from usb
[14:33] <aquix> yezh, but still have cd issues
[14:34] <recon_tv> so let check the CD!!!!!
[14:34] <aquix> milen8204  when you get to the menu, press tab key, then replace    quiet splash         with nomodeset
[14:34] <milen8204> recon_tv, no I had installed Lubuntu 11.10 whit USB stick
[14:34] <aquix> and report the errors you get
[14:35] <aquix> those damn l folks :)
[14:36] <milen8204> I have wrote the error that appeared
[14:37] <recon_tv> true, but have you run the check on the CD, that should be easy
[14:37] <recon_tv> would give us a good starting point too
[14:38] <milen8204> The installer encountered an unrecoverablee error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try to install again
[14:38] <milen8204> recon_tv, I chaked md5sum on .iso
[14:38] <milen8204> but not to CD
[14:39] <recon_tv> ok, check cd, if it's ok, try reinstall, might just be a glitch
[14:39] <milen8204> recon_tv, how to check it ?
[14:40] <recon_tv> boot to the CD's grub menu and select "check CD"
[14:40] <milen8204> ohh :D
[14:40] <milen8204> ok
[14:43] <aquix> m60 back to mint you bastard
[14:43] <recon_tv> lol
[14:43] <m60> heh
[14:44] <m60> So you're saying Mint is superior to Ubuntu / Xubuntu, aquix ? Bold statement to make here ...-)
[14:45] <xubuntu610> anyone installing on acer ao751h?
[14:46] <recon_tv> I question you logic m60? he only implied that you are a mint user
[14:50] <recon_tv> milen8204: you find where to check the cd?
[14:52] <milen8204> recon_tv, yes thanks now I am checking it
[14:57] <aquix> and he left, bastard
[14:58] <recon_tv> spocked him lol
[14:59] <aquix> xfce will do that :)
[15:01] <recon_tv> bet i'll be crying like a baby after a i finish upgrading my primary machine
[15:02] <recon_tv> have to spend a day resetting the layout
[15:02] <aquix> meh, thats like 2 hours
[15:02] <Sysi> partitioning layout?
[15:02] <recon_tv> UI layout
[15:03] <aquix> cop on the beat :)
[15:03] <Sysi> but totally changing it takes like 15mins, 30 tops :p
[15:03] <recon_tv> but six years was a good run with the last one.
[15:04] <recon_tv> Sysi, maybe for you, but there are so many little things
[15:04] <Sysi> I think I reinstall at least six times a year
[15:04] <aquix> I have my firefox layout backed up with FEBE, but a fresh profile is always the best
[15:04] <milen8204> recon_tv, no errors found
[15:05] <recon_tv> milen8204: so, just install it again and see if you get an error.
[15:05] <aquix> six reinstalls in a year? distro hopping went to distro madness.
[15:06] <aquix> arch is nice
[15:06] <milen8204> recon_tv, it is my third install and still get the error: The installer encountered an unrecoverablee error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try to install again
[15:06] <recon_tv> I installed lots of distro after I tried unity, but only moving my main comp over now
[15:10] <recon_tv> nice gmusic opens many windows if you open many files :(
[15:13] <aquix> milen8204 that sucks balls. but I'm out of options personally. Might be hardware failure.
[15:13] <recon_tv> aggh, still closing gmusic windows
[15:14] <drc> milen8204: Is this your 3d install using 1) the same DISC; 2) the same ISO image or 3) same burning software?
[15:14] <aquix> recon_tv get clementine on that thing and forget about that junk.
[15:14] <milen8204> drc, the same CD
[15:15] <recon_tv> milen8204:  ??
[15:16] <drc> milen8204: Someone famous once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
[15:17] <aquix> drc that was Einstein
[15:17] <recon_tv> drc, this is the first time we are doing it knowing the cd is ok.
[15:17] <drc> recon_tv: ok...sorry...
[15:20] <drc> aquix: I know...but I can never remember "i before e"... :)
[15:20] <aquix> drc  :)
[15:22] <milen8204> recon_tv, I had tried two times before
[15:22] <milen8204> now i have cheked the CD
[15:22] <milen8204> and the CD is k
[15:22] <milen8204> ok*
[15:24] <recon_tv> sure, and it'll probably fail again, then we can try startx in terminal to try work out whats wrong with UI
[15:24] <aquix> milen8204 this is not normal, not sure if your new to linux'
[15:26] <milen8204> I am using Ubuntu for an year
[15:27] <milen8204> aquix, I think so that is not normal :D that why I am asking for an advice :D
[15:28] <recon_tv> well, ubuntu for 6 years and computers for 25 years, far from an expert but I have a good feel for fault finding :)
[15:28] <recon_tv> and you nearly always end up doing it one step at a time
[15:32] <recon_tv> milen8204: installing still?
[15:35] <milen8204> yes :D
[15:35] <milen8204> now I have tried onother option
[15:36] <milen8204> I have installed Lubuntu 11.10 (because I have a disk) and now whit Xubuntu 12.04 disk I have chosen the option upgrade Ubuntu 11.10 to Xubuntu 12.04
[15:37] <milen8204> and will see what will happen
[15:37] <milen8204> :D
[15:37] <recon_tv> lol, into upgrade territory, just means we will have to do it again if it fails
[15:38] <recon_tv> milen8204: you need to tell us these details
[15:38] <recon_tv> milen8204: an upgrade is very different from an install
[15:39] <milen8204> recon_tv, yes i
[15:39] <milen8204> know
[15:39] <milen8204> but install fails
[15:39] <milen8204> every time
[15:39] <milen8204> Thats why I have tried upgrade
[15:39] <milen8204> :D
[15:43] <milen8204> recon_tv, that error appeared in that option too
[15:43] <milen8204> The installer encountered an unrecoverablee error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try to install again
[15:45] <recon_tv> ok, so do you get a desktop session?
[15:47] <recon_tv> milen8204: so did you get a desktop session?
[15:48] <milen8204> yes
[15:48] <milen8204> I downloaded the desctop session
[15:48] <recon_tv> so have you got a UI or a desktop?
[15:49] <recon_tv> a terminal or a desktop i mean
[15:49] <Fowarek> Hello! I am having trouble with the Xubuntu Live CD. I'm trying to run it on an older Dell Desktop computer, but it just hangs on the loading screen. The bar is still moving back and forth, but it has been running for about 5-10 minutes now and still hasn't loaded into the desktop environment. This is true when I select "Try Without Installing" and "Install" options. Any ideas?
[15:50] <recon_tv> Fowarek: I would try the alternative installer next for a text install
[15:51] <milen8204> recon_tv, I done understand sorry
[15:51] <milen8204> I have desktop
[15:51] <recon_tv> milen8204:  do you want to try from the usb, check your bios to see if it will boot from it
[15:52] <Fowarek> Okay, I'll try the alt installer then. Thanks!
[15:52] <milen8204> recon_tv, my USB does not run at all
[15:53] <milen8204> it does not boot
[15:53] <milen8204> My CD runs but it fails to install Xubuntu
[15:53] <recon_tv> maybe it's not set in the BIOS? have you checked?
[15:55] <recon_tv> milen8204: the error you described has been reported by others, i'm looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1487937&highlight=default+ui+configuration , but it's a bit old
[15:56] <milen8204> aha
[15:56] <milen8204> I had a google search but that I made did not work
[15:57] <recon_tv> milen8204: I suggest using usb-creator-gtk  as i used it today to create a live usb, AND CHECK YOUR BIOS!!!!!!!
[15:58] <milen8204> recon_tv, I checked it I have set in BIOS USB as HDD device
[15:59] <milen8204> recon_tv, I will try alternative .iso
[16:00] <recon_tv> milen8204: I think however you created the usb and cd is bugged and would like to try with usb-creator-gtk as there are no questions other than what iso to use
[16:01] <milen8204> ok will try
[16:02] <recon_tv> milen8204: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:04] <recon_tv> sorry have to go, match just started :)
[16:05] <milen8204> recon_tv, i am using  usb-creator-gtk
[16:05] <milen8204> to create USB
[16:07] <recon_tv> milen8204: try with that, i'll be back in a bit
[16:45] <recon69_lap> milen8204: you get anywhere with the install?
[16:46] <milen8204> recon69_lap, yes I downloaded alternative version, burned on CD, now I am installing it :D
[16:46] <milen8204> so far, so good :D
[16:53] <recon69_lap> anyone know how to add a new toolbar?
[16:58] <GridCube> toolbar?
[16:58] <GridCube> you mean a panel?
[16:58] <recon69_lap> yep, panel
[16:59] <GridCube> righ click > panel > preferences > BIG GREEN +
[16:59] <Connor|Work> WHen setting up a dual boot with W7 the partition slider has two boxes showing the W7 partitoin and the future Xubuntu partition but it doesn't say which partition is the W7 partition, I presume the one on the left is W7 and the one on the right is for Xubuntu?
[16:59] <Connor|Work> Putting Xubuntu on my friend's netbook, I'm normally a Slackware/Gentoo user and haven't touched *buntu in years.
[16:59] <recon69_lap> lol, there it is >:o
[17:00] <GridCube> Connor|Work, can i see an screenshot of  gparted?
[17:01] <martinphone> can parole reproduce flac?
[17:01] <Connor|Work> Yes, hold on
[17:01] <GridCube> martian, dunno
[17:02] <Connor|Work> Also any particular reason why jwm won't work on Xubuntu? I put Xubuntu on my netbook after arriving to work and finding that my Sabayon partition was gone, I picked jwm as my window manager but no panel or anything shows up when I log in, right click doesn't even do anything
[17:02] <Connor|Work> Uploading screenshot now
[17:02] <GridCube> martinphone, it uses gstreamer so i bet it does
[17:03] <Connor|Work> http://exifdata.com/images/1337446987.99_Screenshot%20-%2005192012%20-%2005:01:33%20PM.png
[17:03] <GridCube> Connor|Work, i dont know about jwm, i just use xfwm4
[17:03] <Connor|Work> I normally use XFCE but I'm trying out different window managers and such
[17:04] <Connor|Work> Got nothing to do today
[17:04] <GridCube> ok Connor|Work thats the installer partition manager, please open gparted :)
[17:05] <Connor|Work> Aight
[17:05] <Connor|Work> GridCube: using that installer partition manager, why would it not show which OS is which partition?
[17:06] <Connor|Work> http://exifdata.com/images/1337447153.36_kdksd.png
[17:06] <GridCube> Connor|Work, i don't know it usually shows which partition will be the destiny painting it in a color with the logo
[17:06] <GridCube> ok so yea, the tiny one should end up as xubuntus
[17:06] <GridCube> maybe you have to click to select it?
[17:07] <Connor|Work> Nope
[17:07] <GridCube> i don't really know i usually just let the installer do it automagically or preset the partitions on gparted and the choose the destinys by hand
[18:06] <rarog> по русски
[18:07] <rarog> Привет всем!!!!!!
[18:07] <rarog> help
[18:08] <Unit193> !ru
[19:21] <xubuntu416> is anyone reading what i'm writing?
[19:22] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:22] <xubuntu416> nice!
[19:22] <xubuntu416> it is my first time with xubuntu
[19:22] <xubuntu416> with linux at all
[19:22] <Marzata> ofcoz it is
[19:23] <xubuntu416> i've alreay tried it before but it doesn't worked well before
[19:23] <xubuntu416> hey marzata fuck off
[19:23] <xubuntu416> i'm just starting what doesnt mean that you can mock on me
[19:23] <xubuntu416> so shut up pls ;)
[19:24] <Marzata> ofcoz it means
[19:24] <xubuntu416> what big expert you are, you should be helping me man
[19:26] <xubuntu416> well, lets go straight to the point
[19:26] <xubuntu416> i'm trying to access my files which are on windows
[19:26] <xubuntu416> do you know what should I do?
[19:26] <pleia2> xubuntu416: please don't use that kind of language in here, be nice to us
[19:26] <pleia2> xubuntu416: when you open up the file manager, does it show the windows drive?
[19:27] <Marzata> windows?
[19:27] <pleia2> Marzata: please be helpful if you're going to participate here :)
[19:28] <xubuntu416> sorry man, i didn't really want to say that
[19:28] <xubuntu416> yes, windows
[19:29] <xubuntu416> yes, it appears but says that it fails to mount the drive :S
[19:29] <Marzata> windows is in VB?
[19:30] <Unit193> Did it give any errors? And is the drive on the same disk but different partition?
[19:32] <xubuntu416> yes
[19:32] <xubuntu416> and i need to say that this system is really good, man, well usable!
[19:33] <Unit193> !ntfs-3g
[19:34] <iqman> chown to current user of mount point directory works for me
[19:35] <xubuntu416> thank you! i'll read it now
[19:37] <Unit193> Not sure if the program Gigolo would mount that or not.
[19:38] <xubuntu416> what a exclusive root operation means?
[19:39] <GridCube> means that only root can do it
[19:40] <GridCube> !root
[19:43] <xubuntu416> will read it also
[19:44] <xubuntu416> didn't understand it quite well
[19:49] <xubuntu416> someone?
[19:51] <aquix> no
[19:51] <aquix> sorry
[19:51] <aquix> what?
[19:52] <xubuntu416> ok, no problem i'll try it in another way
[19:52] <xubuntu416> i'm trying to access my files on windows
[19:52] <aquix> from linux?
[19:52] <gordonjcp> if only someone had attempted such a thing before, and extensively documented it on the Internet
[19:53] <GridCube> xubuntu416, are you using wubi?
[19:53] <aquix> screw  that ... We're helping you now
[19:53] <xubuntu416> it is my first time with this system i cant understand what i read
[19:53] <GridCube> xubuntu416, are you using a lice cd?
[19:53] <xubuntu416> no installed it
[19:53] <GridCube> xubuntu416, ok
[19:54] <GridCube> do you not have an icon on the desktop of a drive?
[19:54] <xubuntu416> yes, it says Acer
[19:54] <xubuntu416> that is the brand of my notebook
[19:54] <GridCube> thats your windows partition
[19:55] <xubuntu416> but says that it cant"mount" or something
[19:55] <GridCube> open it
[19:55] <GridCube> ookay
[19:55] <GridCube> thats different
[19:55] <GridCube> now open a terminal
[19:55] <xubuntu416> ok
[19:55] <xubuntu416> terminal emulator, right?
[19:56] <GridCube> yep
[19:56] <GridCube> xubuntu416, you know how to pastebin?
[19:57] <xubuntu416> no, what is this?
[19:57] <GridCube> !pastebin
[19:58] <GridCube> that means, go to paste.ubuntu.com, and paste the results of the things im going to ask you now
[19:58] <GridCube> so i can see what the problem ok?
[19:58] <xubuntu416> ok
[19:59] <xubuntu416> i understand, thank you
[19:59] <GridCube> now, on the terminal type this: sudo fdisk -l
[19:59] <GridCube> and pass me the results
[20:00] <xubuntu416> ok
[20:01] <GridCube> :D i found out thats faster, you can do simply: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[20:01] <GridCube> and it will upload it for you :D
[20:01] <GridCube> and will give you a link
[20:01] <GridCube> how awesome is that
[20:02] <xubuntu416> http://paste.ubuntu.com/996372/
[20:02] <xubuntu416> yes, it is nice
[20:02] <GridCube> XD
[20:02] <xubuntu416> i didnt know about it
[20:02] <GridCube> you did not put your password
[20:02] <GridCube> you need to tell your password to sudo
[20:02] <GridCube> so the command executes
[20:03] <xubuntu416> ok, i'll try again
[20:03] <GridCube> :)
[20:04] <xubuntu416> http://paste.ubuntu.com/996375/
[20:05] <GridCube> very well
[20:05] <GridCube> now on the same terminal write: sudo mkdir /media/Acer
[20:05] <GridCube> it should return nothing
[20:07] <GridCube> then do this: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/Acer
[20:07] <GridCube> and paste the results
[20:08] <xubuntu416> http://paste.ubuntu.com/996383/
[20:08] <GridCube> oh, ok
[20:09] <GridCube> now do: sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/Acer
[20:09] <GridCube> and paste the results
[20:09] <xubuntu416> ok
[20:10] <xubuntu416> http://paste.ubuntu.com/996388/
[20:11] <GridCube> :D
[20:11] <GridCube> ok
[20:11] <GridCube> there you have it
[20:11] <GridCube> can you read that?
[20:11] <xubuntu416> i should write mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile /dev/sda3 /media/Acer?
[20:12] <GridCube> you could try
[20:12] <GridCube> remember to sudo it
[20:12] <GridCube> or
[20:13] <xubuntu416> like sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile /dev/sda3 /media/Acer?
[20:13] <GridCube> you could do the safer thing thats loging back to windows and closing properly, then loging back to windows and closing properly again
[20:13] <GridCube> but yeah, you could try that
[20:14] <xubuntu416> ok, so i will shut off the windows and i will come back here, ok?
[20:14] <GridCube> :) ok
[20:14] <GridCube> things should simply work then
[20:14] <xubuntu416> ok, thank you, c you soon¹
[20:15] <GridCube> no mounting or anything
[20:15] <GridCube> i have to go for a while now :)
[20:15] <xubuntu416> ok, so if i just shut off the windows i will be able to access the "Acer" files?
[20:15] <xubuntu416> because i inted to migrate to here :)
[20:18] <satop> hello i have a problem with the mouse cursor theme in xubuntu 12.04 with xfce 4.10 i installed oxygen-icon-theme from the repositories changed the setting in xfce settings and in update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme ... so i have the same cursor everywhere ... but when i try to resize window i see another "ugly" cursor theme
[20:21] <satop> how can i make the resize cursors using  the correct theme ? if any one knows ?
[21:09] <xubuntu255> Hi, I'm trying to install xubuntu on an old acer aspire 1350 laptop(256mb memory). I'm using the alternate cd install, it boots up fine but when i select the "Install xubuntu" option the installation never starts and the system just hangs. The disc drive makes a noise every second like it is starting to read, but never does so. I'm fairly sure that the disc drive is able to read since I have previously installed puppy linux on the
[21:10] <Unit193> You could try a few https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions , and doing a "Check Disk for defects" could help too.
[21:12] <xubuntu255> It maybe so but I cannot know. All the options have the same result I mentioned above except from the memory test, which runs fine and gives me no errors.
[21:24] <GridCube> xubuntu255, do you have a pendrive? you could try creating a liveusb, maybe your disk has reading problems
[21:59] <xubuntu017> hi
[23:27] <linux_junkie> i'm back with xubuntu
[23:27] <linux_junkie> just spent the day upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 to xubuntu 11.10
[23:28] <GridCube> :D
[23:28] <GridCube> congrats
[23:28] <linux_junkie> any major differences in 12.04?
[23:29] <GridCube> not really no
[23:29] <linux_junkie> worth upgrading?
[23:29] <GridCube> i find that flash is more stable tho
[23:29] <GridCube> and you know is a lts so it has lots of stable stuff and support for longer time
[23:29] <linux_junkie> i dont watch a lot of online video
[23:29] <linux_junkie> most video i watch is on dvd's
[23:30] <GridCube> yep, well, its newer, has newer programs and stuff like that :P
[23:30] <GridCube> but there is no much difference from 11.10
[23:30] <linux_junkie> i'll leave it a while before upgrading then
[23:30] <GridCube> xfce 4.10 was released to late to be included as a major change
[23:31] <GridCube> 12.10 will ship it so things will change now
[23:32] <linux_junkie> i got xfce 4.8 so if i upgrade to 12.10 i'll be downgrading xfce! lol
[23:32] <GridCube> linux_junkie, thats not how it works, so i hope you're joking
[23:33] <linux_junkie> i know 4.10 is a newer version to 4.8 i was referring to version number
[23:34] <GridCube> :P yes, but 10 > 8
[23:34] <linux_junkie> 4.8 is higher than 4.1
[23:34] <GridCube> the dot is not a decimal dot
[23:34] <linux_junkie> .10 is not 10
[23:34] <GridCube> the dot is not a decimal dot
[23:34] <linux_junkie> it is on my screen
[23:34] <GridCube> its a version dot, its 4 and 10
[23:34] <linux_junkie> lol
[23:35] <GridCube> :P its confusing stuff from programmers
[23:35] <linux_junkie> lol
[23:36] <linux_junkie> i did read on xfce forums that they were thinking of changing version numbering system..
[23:36] <linux_junkie> .. they bring out a new version every two years or so...
[23:36] <Unit193> Since it doesn't appear to be a support question, may be better off in #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:36] <linux_junkie> so maybe they should number it based on year its released
[23:37] <linux_junkie> oh sorry I thought it was general chat
[23:37] <Unit193> Nop, just supporties here.
[23:37] <linux_junkie> oh well I'll stay and see if I can support anyone
[23:51] <GridCube> linux_junkie, :P but you can join #xubuntu-offtopic


[02:44] <kgiii> I saw the pic the other day, but the wallpaper looks even better in real life. Well, in a VM for testing. (I'm not here, really. I'm just making sure I've noted it.)
[05:04] <guiverc> arraybolt3, if you haven't been told (you may have guessed fro kgiii's comment), your image exists on the daily !  Looks great
[05:05] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> :) Thanks!
[05:05] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> (I zsync'd a daily to find out earlier.)
[05:05] <guiverc> :)
[05:06] <guiverc> sddm looks super too :)
[05:08] <arraybolt3> \o/
 Agree - wallpaper and sddm look great @arraybolt3 - well done (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> arraybolt3, if you haven't been told (you may have guessed fro kgiii's comment), your image exists on the daily !  Looks great)
[14:07] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Finally finishing the last bits of verification on the updater bug.
[14:12] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> And we're good! \o/
[21:33] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Somehow we're missing the ubuntu/focal branch from lubuntu-update-notifier in Gitea? Should I import it from the archive?
[21:33] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> (Actually, what I should probably do is checkout Lunar, find the commit that matches the archive, check it out, then branch Focal off of that.)
[22:01] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> It might very well be the first iteration.
[22:15] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Looks like it. Oddly I see a 0.2 was made in the git history, but LP tells me only 0.1 is in Focal.
[22:26] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Alright, we now have an ubuntu/focal branch. \o/
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> https://tracker.debian.org/news/1409936/accepted-zsync-062-5-source-into-unstable/
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> zsync should be force-syncable in < 6 hours
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel/1.2.1-1ubuntu1
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> ```
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-archive-tools$ ./find-proposed-cluster
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> python3-defaults 248
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> qtbase-opensource-src 77
[22:45] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> qt6-base 28
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> gnat 22
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> fenics-dolfinx 9
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> ```
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> ...I have upload permissions to zsync?
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Why?
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> (Just checked it.)
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Anyway, uh... woot, I can try to force-sync it!
[22:46] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> \o/
[22:47] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> You're waiting on Debian's dinstall + Launchpad to sync it
[22:47] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Right. I'm just confused as to why that's in Lubuntu's domain.
[22:47] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> It's installed by default on Lubuntu :)
[22:47] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Oh. Nice!
[22:48] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Yep :)
[22:48]  * lubot_ [matrix] <arraybolt3> needs to fix the lubuntu-update-notifier mess in Focal too :(
[22:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Also is there anything I can be doing with helping untangling transitions?
[22:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Last I checked it looked like others were on it and that I would just be interfering.
[22:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> (With the qt and python3 transitions.)
[22:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> Focal might need a patch. I don't know what the diff looks like there.
[22:50] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Yeah, it definitely does. A user reported that they hit the bug on Focal on Discourse.
[22:50] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> There's plenty - I can even point you to a bug I was just looking at, heh
[22:50] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Even though 20.04 is almost EOL from our perspective, it's technically something that will still be usable for another couple of years after that, so I think it's in our users' best interest that we patch it.
[22:50] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:51] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Link would be welcome :)
[22:52] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> I agree. I guess my point was I don't know how much different Focal and Jammy are as far as code. We likely don't need the whole new version to fix the SRU case.
[22:56] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basemap/1.2.2+dfsg-2build2 is an example - https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/basemap https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/python3.11-default.html
[22:58] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> Otherwise arraybolt3 https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2023/01/02/3-point-releases/ is probably bigger for Lubuntu specifically
[22:59] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> $PERSONAL_LIFE just hit hard, may be gone for a bit...
[22:59] <lubot_> [matrix] <tsimonq2> No worries Aaron
[23:01] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> Take care Aaron
[23:21] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Alright I'm ~47% back.
[23:21] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> i.e., I can type slowly.
[23:22] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> libfm-qu and pcmanfm-qt still need done, yes?
[23:22] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> libfm-qt and pcmanfm-qt still need done, yes?
[23:27] <tsimonq2> Yep :)
[23:31] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: If you care to expedite things, there's an MR for libfm-qt in Debian, though the pipeline is failing for reasons I believe are beyond my control, so you may need to use your $powers there.
[23:32] <arraybolt3> https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/libfm-qt/-/merge_requests/8
[23:32] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Merge 8 in lxqt-team/libfm-qt "Releasing version 1.2.1-2." [Opened]


[00:46] <StevenK> wgrant: The removal of self.log(self._output.output) is needed?
[00:46] <StevenK> (From lp-dev-utils)
[00:58] <wgrant> StevenK: I'm not sure what the real fix is, I just quickly deleted the line in the traceback to get ec2 to work.
[01:00] <StevenK> I have another change to make, so I'll ignore that removal for now
[01:06] <StevenK> [2013-05-08 00:58:14,724: INFO/PoolWorker-3] Job resulted in OOPS: OOPS-f707f73e2b097961847648306d155654
[01:06] <StevenK> InternalError: current transaction is aborted, commands ignored until end of transaction block
[01:07] <wgrant> There was an earlier OOPS
[01:07] <StevenK> Not that I can see in the log
[01:11] <StevenK> wgrant: So, unscan-branch or delete and repush?
[01:49] <wgrant> flacoste: Are you using Chromium to get those librarian 404s?
[02:23] <wgrant> StevenK: What's the new DB MP?
[02:26] <StevenK> I had to delete them because sync-pipeline completly lost its mind
[02:28] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, all six MPs are up, all with diffs.
[02:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Only six? I'm disappointed.
[02:28] <wgrant> Will look soon
[03:15] <wgrant> StevenK: 350	+ def findBranchMergeProposalIDs(self):
[03:15] <wgrant> 351	+ return self.store.find(
[03:15] <wgrant> 352	+ (BranchMergeProposal.id),
[03:15] <wgrant> That doesn't do what you think it does
[03:15] <wgrant> () is an empty tuple, but (foo) is just foo
[03:36] <StevenK> wgrant: The garbo job actually works, though ...
[03:38] <wgrant> StevenK: But the code still doesn't mean what you intended, so probably best to drop the parens.
[03:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Right.
[03:39] <StevenK> wgrant: Killing yui_3.3.0.zip from sourcedeps, should yui_3.5.1.zip also meet its demise?
[03:39] <wgrant> StevenK: Might as well
[03:46] <StevenK> wgrant: Fix for http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5643581/ landing/landed.
[03:55] <StevenK> wgrant: Your comment about removing merge_proposal_id is on the right MP?
[03:58] <StevenK> Oh
[03:58] <StevenK> Why?
[03:59] <wgrant> StevenK: Why not?
[03:59] <wgrant> It was added just for garbo
[03:59] <wgrant> And now garbo is gone
[03:59] <StevenK> It was not.
[03:59] <wgrant> Wasn't it?
[03:59] <StevenK> You should read switch-bmp-to-previewdiff-merge_proposal carefully.
[04:00] <wgrant> Ah, so you're leaving it for a reference that only appears in a later branch?
[04:00] <StevenK> Pretty much
[04:00] <wgrant> That's OK, then.
[04:00] <StevenK> We really can't use it in the code until it's populated
[04:00] <StevenK> 371 + @property
[04:00] <StevenK> 372 def branch_merge_proposal(self):
[04:00] <StevenK> Why does this still exist?
[04:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Because it's exported :-(
[04:01] <wgrant> StevenK: Hm, can you just call the property that, then?
[04:01] <wgrant> Rather than having merge_proposal separate
[04:01] <wgrant> Just call it branch_merge_proposal
[04:02] <StevenK> So the merge_diff madness continues
[04:02] <wgrant> Hm?
[04:02] <StevenK> merge_proposal_id / branch_merge_proposal probably isn't going to make you like me
[04:03] <wgrant> No, that's illegal.
[04:03] <StevenK> Which means we have branch_merge_proposal = Int(name='merge_proposal')
[04:03] <wgrant> Or you rename the DB column
[04:03] <wgrant> This sort of thing is why you don't land DB patches early. Makes them easy to revise in context :)
[04:04]  * StevenK twitches at having to rename it in six branches
[04:04] <StevenK> Well, five
[04:17] <wgrant> StevenK: Also, have you considered pruning?
[04:17] <wgrant> Until we have pruning, bmp.preview_diffs may grow without bound
[04:18] <StevenK> I was thinking about that yesterday, but I'm not sure about the prune condition, since PreviewDiff.branch_merge_proposal is NOT NULL
[04:18] <wgrant> We want to prune unreferenced ones. At the moment that probably just means everything except the latest.
[04:18] <wgrant> But that will change once we start tying comments to a particular diff version
[05:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Compound index?
[05:42] <wgrant> StevenK: So we can efficiently answer "what is the current diff for this merge proposal?"
[05:44] <StevenK> wgrant: Sure, I'm not sure what that index looks like, and if we need the current index in the patch
[05:44] <wgrant> StevenK: (branch_merge_proposal, date_created)
[05:45] <wgrant> (branch_merge_proposal) lets me quickly identify the diffs for the merge proposal, but without the additional sort of date_created I'd have to examine all of them to find the newest.
[05:58] <stub> wgrant: how many diffs are you expecting to be attached to a MP?
[05:59] <stub> If it is normally one or two and we never have thousands, I don't think the extra maintenance of the index is worth it.
[06:00] <wgrant> stub: date_created will never change, and the index will always be appended to, so is that significant?
[06:01] <wgrant> It should rarely be more than a dozen, but in pathological cases it may be.
[06:01] <wgrant> And I don't see the expense of the additional index column as being particularly significant.
[06:02] <stub> An extra index to keep hot, extra writes on insert, fatter index vs thin index and extra row loading...
[06:02] <stub> And the overhead of all the extra typing in the db patch ;)
[06:02] <wgrant> It's not an extra index, just a wider one.
[06:03] <stub> oh right, new column.
[06:03] <wgrant> We need one with branch_merge_proposal at the start either way
[06:04] <stub> yup. I'm not fussed one way or t'other.
[06:05] <wgrant> If it were a larger table then I would be concerned about the wider index, but I don't think it's an issue here.
[06:29] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/dont-overrideFromAncestry/+merge/162933
[06:42] <StevenK> wgrant: r=me
[06:42] <wgrant> StevenK: Thanks.
[06:55] <StevenK> wgrant: Glance at the six again?
[23:42] <StevenK> wgrant: When you're done with <redacted>, can you peer at the six MPs again?
[23:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Sure


[02:03] <bregma> next Ubuntu Global Jam is April 04 - 06, start planning now
[07:24] <BobJonkman> bregma: Earlier tonight I added UGJ as an agenda item for the next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/Next
[21:01] <azend> Hey BobJonkman, if you are going to Aruna's party in TO, can I hitch a ride?
[21:01] <azend> Wait. Is that a wednesday?
[21:01] <azend> fack
[21:01] <azend> Not another one
[21:17] <BobJonkman> azend: No date for Aruna's Toronto Ubuntu Hour yet, but yes, you can hitch a ride.
[21:18] <BobJonkman> I'm hoping it's on Saturday 14 Dec, but just about any other date (evening) works for me.
[21:18] <BobJonkman> Also, there's a Cryptoparty in Toronto tonight: https://torontocrypto.org
[21:18] <BobJonkman> I hear Aruna will be there.
[21:19] <BobJonkman> But I'm going to the Kitchener Ubuntu Hour, 6:00pm at the Williams Cafe at City Hall: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2657-ubuntu-hour-kitchener/


[05:32] <Kilos> o/
[19:57] <geochr> !lococouncil , hi all
[19:59] <geochr> i sent a request for a conference pack but i have no answer. Do you know who manage the packs?
[19:59] <geochr> !lococouncil
[20:00] <svij> geochr: hey! When did you request one?
[20:01] <geochr> svij, 2 weeks
[20:01] <geochr> before
[20:02] <geochr> i think that it was 14/3
[20:03] <svij> hm, okay. I currently don't know what happened to it. But I might can ask someone tomorrow
[20:04] <svij> oh, in which LoCo are you btw?
[20:06] <geochr> ubuntu-gr
[20:07] <geochr> we are going to participate on a conference on 16-17 April, so we haven't much time.
[20:08] <svij> oh right
[20:09] <svij> I'll ask someone from the Community-Team tomorrow, I personally don't know much about the loco packs (still pretty new to the loco council)
[20:11] <geochr> svij, do you want to sent an email at  loco-council list to reply me there?
[20:11] <svij> geochr: yep, might be a good idea
[20:12] <geochr> ok, thanks


[01:07] <mnaines> Is there any reason why I was banned from #ubuntu this morning?
[01:52] <Flannel> mnaines: None that I can see.  You do have some history a while back, so I'll just give a blanket reminder to read and follow the channel guidelines and CoC (links in topic).  I've removed your ban.  Please make sure I did it properly.
[01:53] <mnaines> Yes, it works...
[01:54] <mnaines> I don't even know what the past bans were for anymore
[01:54] <mnaines> I know one of them was something about being oto
[01:54] <mnaines> o4o, I mean
[01:55] <Flannel> mnaines: It's nothing to worry about.  Just follow the guidelines and the CoC.  That's what matters!
[01:55] <mnaines> Fair enough
[09:57] <syko> hi
[09:58] <syko> anybody ?
[10:00] <syko> i joined freenode, and did /join #ubuntu, it says "you have been banned", i never came here but i have been banned ?
[10:00] <syko> i asked a moderator at #freenode, he says there is wideban on me
 [09:55] ~~~Irssi: Ban against<EMAIL_ADDRESS>matches<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:02] <syko> ?
[10:04] <syko> !ops hi
[10:04] <syko> !ops
[10:04] <syko> please see previous msg
[10:05] <jared> syko: I'm sure someone will be along soon, apologies I don't have access to the channel you're referring to.
[10:19] <AlanBell> syko: one sec, I will sort that out
[10:20] <syko> AlanBell, a moderator on freenode told me you guys banned 119.157.x.x
[10:20] <syko> 119.157.x.x is the default ip range of PTCL
[10:20] <syko> PTCL is the biggest ISP of Pakistan
[10:20] <syko> so you banned 50/50 of Pakistan
[10:20] <syko> see https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=a898ec0b8e97eb61&psj=1&q=119.157.+ptcl
[10:21] <AlanBell> yeah, I know
[10:21] <syko> you are not a operator, alanbell
[10:21] <syko> it doesnt show ur name in emergencies
[10:21] <AlanBell> syko: try now
[10:21] <syko> yes
[10:21] <syko> now it works
[10:21] <syko> thank you
[10:22] <AlanBell> it was a temporary ban set last week for someone who was bouncing around lots of IP addresses
[10:22] <syko> i see
[10:22] <AlanBell> sorry you got caught in the crossfire :)
[10:22] <syko> its ok :)
[10:26] <AlanBell> syko: can you part from this channel now please, we like to help people one at a time
[10:31] <ikonia> AlanBell: that's the same guy the ban was there to catch
[16:34] <k1l> debian and mint support in one question. i think that is the highscore so far :)
[17:08] <IdleOne> Guest42793 is one of them conspiracy cooks
[17:08] <IdleOne> that is why I muted in #u
[17:09] <bazhang> also a fairly regular troll of multiple channels
[17:09] <bazhang> yodel-alay-eho!
[17:09] <IdleOne> -ehoooo!*
[17:10] <bazhang> never tried to write it before
[17:11] <IdleOne> I wasn't so much correcting as much as I was adding my voice to the yodel.
[17:11] <IdleOne> I thought it would be nice if we harmonized
[17:11] <IdleOne> :)
[21:58] <Guest42793> what the fuck is your problem
[21:58] <IdleOne> well first off, that sort of language
[21:58] <Guest42793> who is abusing their op privileges on the Ubuntu channel?
[21:59] <IdleOne> are you talking about the mute in #ubuntu?
[21:59] <Guest42793> yes, who muted me and why
[22:00] <Guest42793> i leave and come back and realized i was muted
[22:00] <IdleOne> I muted you because you kept cross posting off topic comments in both #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic. Seeing how you just wanted to discuss off topic subjects I figured I would just mute you and stop you from breaking channel policy in #ubuntu
[22:01] <IdleOne> if you can keep your comments in #ubuntu support related only. I'll gladly remove the mute.
[22:01] <Guest42793> what exactly did i cross post, it was only one thing and started to talk on the other channel when i was told
[22:02] <IdleOne> if you know it was only one thing why ask me what it was??
[22:02] <Guest42793> is asking about Zeitgeist not related to Ubuntu?
[22:02] <IdleOne> it isn't a ubuntu support question
[22:02] <IdleOne> and you were answered
[22:02] <Guest42793> is Zeitgeist integrated in Ubuntu install ISOs?
[22:03] <IdleOne> you asked about the company that google apparently owns that is named zeitgeist
[22:03] <Guest42793> what is wrong with asking if it Google's Zeitgeist is the same Zeitgeist that is integrated in Ubuntu?
[22:04] <IdleOne> nothing actually, what was wrong was the cross posting
[22:04] <Guest42793> so if i say hello on 2  channels is considered cross posting?
[22:04] <IdleOne> Seeing how google zeitgeist is not the same thing as the zeitgeist in ubuntu, that makes it off topic.
[22:05] <Guest42793> both channels are Ubuntu channels and not everyone is on both channels who may know the answer
[22:05] <IdleOne> Do you want to resolve this mute and have it removed or do you just want to argue about it?
[22:05] <Guest42793> bot
[22:05] <Guest42793> both
[22:06] <IdleOne> I see. I am not going to argue either or remove the mute. Have a good day.
[22:07] <Guest42793> how would i know if Google Zeitgeist is the same Zeitgeist that Ubuntu uses? which what the reason i was asking about it
[22:08] <Guest42793> was*
[22:08] <Guest42793> both are called Zeitgeist and both are logging agents
[22:08] <tsimpson> maybe you can fine the web page for the company and see if it mentions a the software
[22:10] <Guest42793> so now i am not allowed to get any Ubuntu support because an op didn't like a support question that i asked
[22:11] <tsimpson> that wasn't really a support question
[22:11] <tsimpson> and that's not even the reason for the quiet, as was explained
[22:12] <Guest42793> if you were looking for an answer to a question, would you not want multiple opinions to help you discover the answer?
[22:13] <tsimpson> sure, if there were multiple unrelated channels which could be such a source
[22:14] <tsimpson> but that's not the case, as #ubuntu is _only_ for Ubuntu technical support
[22:14] <Guest42793> i asked a Ubuntu question on Ubuntu channels, what is wrong with that?
[22:14] <IdleOne> if it was a support question (I am not saying it was) why ask it in the offtopic channel where the topic clearly says that it isn't a support channel, and if it isn't an ubuntu support question (which I believe it isn't) why ask in in the support channel
[22:14] <tsimpson> just because it has the word "Ubuntu" in it doesn't make it an Ubuntu technical support question
[22:16] <IdleOne> Would me asking where to get my Ubuntu logo/circle of friends tattoo touched up be am appropriate question for #ubuntu?
[22:16] <IdleOne> s/am/an/
[22:16] <Guest42793> first, you should put only "technical" or software related support on the ubuntu channel, which Zeitgeist happens to be software related to Ubuntu
[22:17] <tsimpson> you're still stuck on the "related to Ubuntu" thing, that's not the point
[22:17] <tsimpson> it has to be an Ubuntu technical support question
[22:18] <tsimpson> "How do I install zeitgeist" would qualify, for example
[22:18] <Guest42793> Technical is not even on the channel topic
[22:18] <Guest42793> support just means support
[22:19] <tsimpson> stop trying to find ways of saying you didn't "technically" do anything
[22:19] <tsimpson> that's not going to work for you
[22:19] <Guest42793> a Firefighter support team
[22:19] <tsimpson> either you can accept that it's against our rules, or you can't
[22:19] <Guest42793> its proper english
[22:20] <Guest42793> if you go to dell they have phones numbers for Customer Support and Technical Support, when anyone just says support it usually implies customer/user support
[22:21] <tsimpson> so you can't accept it, that means I can't help you with removing the quiet
[22:22] <Guest42793> but that is not even the point, why should an op one Ubuntu be able to dictate that someone can say or ask on another channel
[22:22] <Guest42793> on*
[22:22] <tsimpson> they are there to keep the channels on-topic
[22:22] <Guest42793> it was, apparently i was muted because i asked the same question on two different channels
[22:23] <tsimpson> yes, you cross posted
[22:23] <tsimpson> which is another thing ops look out for
[22:23] <Guest42793> if i am an op on this channel and see you ask the same question on the linux channel, why should i mute you?
[22:23] <tsimpson> the channels have unrelated topics, so any cross posting is obviously off-topic in one of the channels
[22:24] <tsimpson> if you're an op on your own channel you get to make up your own rules, we have ours and they are linked to in the topic of #ubuntu
[22:24] <Guest42793> is channels are unrelated then why should it matter?
[22:24] <Guest42793> if*
[22:24] <Guest42793> that is totally BS
[22:25] <tsimpson> they have an unrelated topic, one is for technical support and the other isn't
[22:25] <tsimpson> it's not hard to understand
[22:26] <Guest42793> so if you don't know if the question is a support or off topic question, what is wrong with asking on both channels?
[22:26] <tsimpson> support questions go one place, off-topic stuff goes to another
[22:26] <tsimpson> not both
[22:26] <Guest42793> this is just another sign of ops abusing their privileges
[22:27] <tsimpson> those are our rules
[22:27] <tsimpson> if you don't agree with our rules, that's fine, you're free to find other avenues of communication
[22:27] <Guest42793> you didn't even answer my question "so if you don't know if the question is a support or off topic question, what is wrong with asking on both channels?"
[22:28] <tsimpson> then you ask in _one_ of those channels and see if someone tells you it'd be better off asking in the other channel
[22:29] <Guest42793> if i see you say something i don't like on a channel called #computers does that mean i should mute you on the Official Ubuntu Support channel?
[22:29] <Guest42793> think about it
[22:29] <IdleOne> I didn't see you cross posting from out of the ubuntu namespace. I saw you do it from within our namespace.
[22:30] <IdleOne> what you post in other channels that have nothing to do with ubuntu don't concern me as it relates to my op duties
[22:30] <Guest42793> if had a Dell computer and complained about customer support, managers would actually do something about it because customers are important, but here it is the total opposite
[22:31] <IdleOne> you're not a customer, you haven't paid us anything.
[22:31] <Guest42793> when linux software in general there is a sense of snob
[22:31] <tsimpson> we do have an appeal process if you'd rather go through that
[22:31] <tsimpson> !appeals
[22:32] <Guest42793> exactly, which is why there is a sense of snobiness in linux
[22:32] <Guest42793> and why linux does not adopt more users from windows
[22:32] <tsimpson> now you have the link if you want to appeal
[22:32] <tsimpson> anything else we can help you with?
[22:32] <LjL-Alps> maybe we should run an Adopt A Windows User campaign
[22:33] <Guest42793> so basically it was pointless even coming here
[22:33] <IdleOne> indeed
[22:33] <tsimpson> Guest42793: if you disagree with the action, I suggest you follow the instructions in the above link
[22:34] <Guest42793> which appeal is probably just going to go to you
[22:34] <tsimpson> they go to the IRC Council
[22:35] <tsimpson> they will decide if it was right or wrong
[22:36] <Guest42793> think about it, if i muted you on a channel and you wanted the mute overturned you would have to come back to me and beg LOL
[22:36] <LjL-Alps> well if it were your channel, how would that not be reasonable? you set the rules.
[22:37] <tsimpson> depends on the process whoever runs that channel has in place
[22:37] <Guest42793> i'm glad successful companies always put their users first
[22:37] <IdleOne> We aren't a company
[22:37] <Guest42793> LjL-Alps, you do not own nor invented Ubuntu
[22:38] <tsimpson> everyone here is a volunteer
[22:38] <IdleOne> We are a community of volunteers trying to help keep a little bit of sanity in a large number of irc channels with a large number of users. Some of those users don't like the rules and they are free to not use the channels.
[22:38] <LjL-Alps> Guest42793: yet the whole infrastructure that does own and has invented Ubuntu appointed various people, among which me, to run these channels.
[22:39] <Guest42793> yeah, ops should actually be voted by Ubuntu users, anyone can volunteer that does not mean they have automatic authority over every else just because they are a volunterr
[22:39] <IdleOne> they are
[22:39] <tsimpson> Guest42793: ops are assigned by the IRC Council, the IRC Council is voted for by IRC users and assigned by the Ubuntu Community Council
[22:40] <LjL-Alps> Guest42793: i'm sure most of these companies you mention that put their users first have their users vote on their management
[22:40] <Guest42793> ops should actually be paid, so that if anyone does have issues with an op they will lose their pay
[22:40] <LjL-Alps> you're full of ideas, why don't you mail the IRC Council about them
[22:40] <IdleOne> Will you pay membership fees to be able to use our irc channels?
[22:40] <Guest42793> if it is volunteer it should be by vote, if it is by pay people vote by how they spend their money
[22:40] <IdleOne> this money you think ops should be paid needs to come from somewhere
[22:41] <Guest42793> If people do have good experience with Ubuntu they will donate
[22:41] <tsimpson> we clearly aren't going to resolve your quiet right now, is there anything else?
[22:41] <Guest42793> tsimpson, why not
[22:42] <tsimpson> because you don't agree with our rules, or how we apply them
[22:42] <tsimpson> time for you to move on in the appeals process
[22:42] <Guest42793> a portion of Ubuntu's revenues should to support to ensure better quality support to help users instead of arguing with them
[22:42] <tsimpson> so there's nothing else?
[22:43] <Guest42793> tsimpson, your rules are anything you say and do is right. period.
[22:43] <Guest42793> think about it, there is nothing wrong with asking the same question on 2 different channels when both channels are Ubuntu topic channels
[22:43] <tsimpson> well that's not true as we have them documented in the #ubuntu topic
[22:44] <tsimpson> you disagree with them, fine
[22:44] <tsimpson> but that means we can't help you in here any more
[22:55] <IdleOne> @mark Guest42793 ~superman@24-246-51-209.cable.teksavvy.com