[00:00] <[TK]D-Fender> KINGOFSWORDS: because even if you didn't have a HD at all the CD should boot
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> but only thing it can be is pc
[00:00] <codeslingercomsp> last thing I see is detecting network....   then the flash and the startup music
[00:00] <[TK]D-Fender> KINGOFSWORDS: I'd bet on "bad CD" right now...
[00:00] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Yeah, try removing the hdd
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> nope
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> it works on my hp compaq laptop ok
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> hi galeon
[00:00] <airtonix> KINGOFSWORDS: i assume you checked the iso against the md5 or shasum before and after burning to cd ?
[00:00] <[TK]D-Fender> KINGOFSWORDS: maybe a more generic problem with your optical drive
[00:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> errmmm kinda hard , its a laptop
[00:01] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Windows XP have lots of checking in hdd, which might cause a lot of problem
[00:01] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: hello
[00:01] <codeslingercomsp> @itaylor57   2011-04-20 natty live cd daily 64 bit
[00:01] <KINGOFSWORDS> ahhh perhaps.... i did have problems installing lucid..but have installed vista last nite
[00:01] <rww> codeslingercomsp: please use #ubuntu+1 for natty discussion and support. #ubuntu is for released versions of Ubuntu.
[00:01] <airtonix> codeslingercomsp: at that point you can press ctrl+alt+[1-6] to get a terminal ?
[00:01] <KINGOFSWORDS> galeon i deleted the dell recovery partition
[00:02] <KINGOFSWORDS> i thiought that would solve it
[00:02] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Did you already checked your hdd in Disk Utility? Because you said before that it's acting strange
[00:02] <mynotes> hello. i have a small problem on my empathy. why the video call are disabled
[00:03] <KINGOFSWORDS> ahh no...i do that now galeon
[00:03] <codeslingercomsp> vidoe card is VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[00:03] <airtonix> hoho
[00:03] <airtonix> codeslingercomsp: what rww said.
[00:04] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Try clicking on the SMART Data button then check if there's a bad sector, try some self-test
[00:04] <codeslingercomsp> @rww @airtonix   okay thx ubunt+1 in a few minutes....   am going to switch computers first
[00:04] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok
[00:04] <jedi-master> HI
[00:05] <KINGOFSWORDS> i just looked up a forum thread about installing xp on my model laptop
[00:05] <jedi-master> i got here from some, article on dannyubuntu.com
[00:06] <jedi-master> hello?
[00:06] <KM0201> KINGOFSWORDS: what does that have to do w/ ubuntu?
[00:06] <Byan> hey guys
[00:07] <Byan> does anyone know of intel NM10 support in ubuntu
[00:07] <Byan> I need a quick answer cause I just purchased a netbook with it
[00:07] <jedi-master> something about using IRC trough the terminal
[00:07] <disappearedng> wow I am so lucky that I can even boot into my ubuntu now. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376096/ Can someone tell me is my harddisk completely messed up? How can I go about fixing it?
[00:07] <jedi-master> and i was bored so i tagged along
[00:07] <jedi-master> and here i am
[00:07] <Sahm> hi Byan , you may get a quick answer in #ubuntu.
[00:07] <KINGOFSWORDS> KM0201  : its a dual boot... i installed ubuntu 1st and had many problems
[00:08] <luite> disappearedng: hmm, that doesn't look good
[00:08] <KM0201> KINGOFSWORDS: ok.. thats not incredibly unusual... why d id you install ubuntu first.. do you have 1 hard drive, or two?
[00:08] <KINGOFSWORDS> linux newbie since last wednesday
[00:08] <KINGOFSWORDS> 1 hdd
[00:09] <Byan> I guess I need GMA 3150 support..
[00:09] <disappearedng> luite: fsck? what are my options?
[00:09] <KINGOFSWORDS> im using gaprted on livecd to try to sort my pc out
[00:09] <luite> disappearedng: i'd download the analysis tools from the manufacturer and see what they say
[00:09] <Byan> which seems to be fine, but very new
[00:09] <disappearedng> luite: well I am using a macbookpro and what would that be
[00:09] <tash3r> would installing bastille effect running games in wine?
[00:10] <luite> disappearedng: oh, apple I guess. but if you can boot ubuntu, try to start the Disk Utility
[00:10] <luite> disappearedng: it will report the SMART status of your drive
[00:11] <KINGOFSWORDS> where is smart data button on disk utility in 9.1 karmic
[00:11] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: not sure, but select a hdd first in the left
[00:11] <KINGOFSWORDS> i did
[00:12] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: On the right of Format Drive?
[00:12] <KINGOFSWORDS> SMART data? it says disk is healthy
[00:12] <disappearedng> luite I can LITERALLY HEAR MY HARDDISK failing (the constant jerking motion of the handler)
[00:12] <KINGOFSWORDS> 9.1 is differnt to 10.04 disk utility
[00:12] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Below that is the SMART Data button
[00:13] <Silver> hi
[00:13] <luite> disappeared: better back up your data and replace it then
[00:13] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Yeah, lots of changes in the UI. But it will still show healthy if the no. of bad sectors is below 100 (?)
[00:13] <KINGOFSWORDS> galeon none of thats therre.. but SMART data reports it as disk healthy
[00:14] <KINGOFSWORDS> but didnt do a scan or anything
[00:14] <luite> disappearedng: the noise is the heads retracting and retrying the read operations, you may still get some data off that part of the disk, but it will be slow
[00:14] <KINGOFSWORDS> btw i got blue screen of death earlier in vista...1 day old install
[00:14] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: What are the buttons below the status of the hdd?
[00:14] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: It will be good if you could also check your RAM if it is not damaged, just to make sure
[00:15] <mknarr> KINGOFSWORDS,  BSOD ROFL
[00:15] <KINGOFSWORDS> ahhh self test?
[00:15] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Yes
[00:15] <KINGOFSWORDS> found that....
[00:16] <KINGOFSWORDS> was under more info
[00:16] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: I think that more info holds the the info for the no. of bad sectors
[00:16] <KINGOFSWORDS> anyway...apparently i need to set bios to Flash Cache Module: Change to "Enabled" to "Off and ata for xp to boot
[00:17] <luite> disappearedng: anyway, if it's out of warranty, go to ifixit.com   drives in macbook pro's aren't as easy to replace as those in many other brands, but it's not terribly difficult either. those things have lots of tiny screws!
[00:17] <zaksoldier> hi
[00:17] <zaksoldier> السلام عليكم
[00:18] <Sahm> وعليكم السلام
[00:18] <rww> !en
[00:18] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok ok self test done....says disk is healthy
[00:18] <mknarr> KINGOFSWORDS, try a memtest on your ram
[00:18] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok
[00:18] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Maybe its not in the hdd, try RAM
[00:18] <KINGOFSWORDS> ill look
[00:20] <KINGOFSWORDS> is memtest part of disk utilty?
[00:20] <Galeon> nope
[00:20] <mknarr> u can get a memtest off the ubuntu live cd to test your ram
[00:20] <KINGOFSWORDS> in terminal?
[00:20] <aljona> im trying to use: sdparm --set=STANDBY=1 /dev/sdb, but for some reason it doesnt get set, does anybody know why?
[00:20] <mknarr> no put the cd in the drive and let it boot off it then instead of seleceting install select memtest
[00:20] <KINGOFSWORDS> should i test my dvd drive too with self test?
[00:21] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: only hdd
[00:21] <KINGOFSWORDS> ok
[00:21] <mknarr> the memtest cycles through every bit of your ram modules
[00:21] <zaksoldier> why
[00:21] <KINGOFSWORDS> ah
[00:21] <mknarr> checking for damage
[00:21] <mknarr> or errors
[00:22] <KINGOFSWORDS> may aswell since im gonna be up all night anyway
[00:23] <codex84> what commands use,when useing wipe to wipe out data such as a folder with a video in it
[00:23] <codex84> ?
[00:24] <zaksoldier> huh ubottu is a bot
[00:25] <luite> codex84: rm -r foldername
[00:26] <luite> codex84: this deletes the complete folder including subdirs
[00:26] <codex84> so i type
[00:26] <codex84> wipe rm -r and folder name?
[00:27] <luite> codex84: you have a terminal open right?
[00:27] <codex84> now i do
[00:27] <codex84> yea
[00:27] <luite> codex84: it may be easier to delete the folder with the File Browser
[00:29] <luite> codex84: but if you want to know how to do it from the terminal/shell, say you want to delete /home/codex84/Downloads/movie
[00:29] <codex84> yea
[00:30] <luite> codex84: and you have a prompt user@host:~$, then you just type: user@host:~$ rm -r Downloads/movie
[00:30] <luite> (don't type the prompt)
[00:30] <zaksoldier> huh ubottu is a bot
[00:31] <codex84> can i rm -r than the folder name
[00:31] <codex84> ?
[00:31] <luite> codex84: don't make typo's, if you rm -r Downloads, then the whole folder is gone :)
[00:31] <commodore256> Epic Idea is Epic http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27671/
[00:31] <luite> codex84: yes it works for files and folders, -r stands for recursive, which means that if it's a folder, it will first delete the contents of that folder, and then the folder itself
[00:32] <zaksoldier> I thought he is a human
[00:32] <luite> codex84: if you just want to delete a file, type    rm filename
[00:33] <Corey> luite, codex84: Safer way to do it is to delete the files in a directory, then rmdir the directory itself.  rmdir fails if a directory isn't empty.
[00:34] <luite> I prefer the rm -r way because it teaches you not to make typo's ;)
[00:36] <nabukadnezar43> hello
[00:36] <nabukadnezar43> i want to install ubuntu
[00:36] <nabukadnezar43> shall i install 11.04 beta 2 or 10.10?
[00:37] <mknarr> nabukadnezar43,  are you new to ubuntu ?
[00:38] <nabukadnezar43> no
[00:38] <KINGOFSWORDS> galeon i think i need sata drivers installed of usb 1st
[00:38] <nabukadnezar43> i am not new to ubuntu
[00:38] <nabukadnezar43> used it many times before
[00:38] <mknarr> then get the new version
[00:39] <nabukadnezar43> ok
[00:39] <codex84> how would u use shred?
[00:39] <nabukadnezar43> it'll update to final version without any problem i guess
[00:39] <nabukadnezar43> right? mknarr?
[00:39] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Then maybe that's the problem. You may also read some articles in the web for installing that OS, I don't have any experience with that laptop
[00:40] <LAcan> big newb question: how can I tell where stuff is getting installed to? like directories...?
[00:40] <luite> codex84: you only need shred if you want to prevent others to recover the contents of your files after you have deleted them
[00:40] <nabukadnezar43> lacan: they are usually installed in bin directory
[00:40] <nabukadnezar43> or usr/bin dir
[00:40] <KINGOFSWORDS> galeon its says if its too hard i can go bios and chang from sata to ide instead
[00:41] <LAcan> nabukadnezar43, thanks! so like /bin/<program>/ type of thing?
[00:41] <nabukadnezar43> no
[00:41] <nabukadnezar43> you have an executable there
[00:41] <nabukadnezar43> configuration files generally are in your home dir
[00:41] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Yeah, I think it's good, my computer here is setup that way
[00:41] <LAcan> nabukadnezar43, o i c them now ty!
[00:41] <KINGOFSWORDS> is ide slower than sata?
[00:42] <nabukadnezar43> np
[00:42] <nabukadnezar43> to see configuration files you need to view hidden folders in your /home/<name>
[00:42] <PedroLRNeves> va pessoal ate amanha
[00:42] <disappearedng> Hey anyone here uses refit
[00:42] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: Not sure, but it seems its the same, but real ide is definitely slower
[00:43] <KINGOFSWORDS> ahh
[00:44] <KINGOFSWORDS> does it affect 64 bit ubuntu?
[00:44] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: dunno, but I used 64-bit before
[00:44] <ruan> i doubt hard drive handling's much different between 32-64
[00:45] <KINGOFSWORDS> cool
[00:45] <KINGOFSWORDS> have nothing to lose
[00:46] <mknarr> 32bit and 64 bit is mainly the amount of useable ram right ?
[00:46] <zaksoldier> ist jemand spricht Deutsch
[00:47] <nabukadnezar43> no
[00:47] <nabukadnezar43> 64-bit uses more registers
[00:47] <nabukadnezar43> means if done right, software runs faster compared to 32-bit
[00:47] <KINGOFSWORDS> but unfortualy seems to be slower
[00:48] <Galeon> 64-bit starts slower than 32-bit here
[00:48] <KINGOFSWORDS> galeon how long should i do this mem test?
[00:48] <pwrusr> would anyone here know where I would adda startup command in  kubuntu ??
[00:48] <nabukadnezar43> well depends on your pc as well
[00:48] <KINGOFSWORDS> adobe flash not very good on 64
[00:48] <nabukadnezar43> you need a good machine to get the full out of 64-bit
[00:48] <Galeon> It depends on the speed of your machine, but 1 pass might be enough
[00:48] <KINGOFSWORDS> does it just loop round?
[00:49] <Galeon> yeah
[00:49] <weedeater64> Adobe flash is crap, no matter 64, 32,
[00:49] <versuscore> hola
[00:49] <nabukadnezar43> flash is buggy
[00:49] <versuscore> como estas
[00:49] <nabukadnezar43> 64-bit flash i mean
[00:49] <Galeon> well, my machine is quite old, a Pentium D
[00:49] <versuscore> alguien me puede psar temas para xubuntu
[00:49] <nabukadnezar43> use html5 where you can
[00:49] <versuscore> hello men
[00:49] <zaksoldier> ا
[00:49] <versuscore> whats is your name
[00:49] <versuscore> jejeje
[00:50] <Galeon> KINGOFSWORDS: some do it overnight
[00:50] <nabukadnezar43> i use html5 instead of flash on youtube
[00:50] <KINGOFSWORDS> whats htm15?
[00:50] <weedeater64> get clive to download youtube crap, and mplayer to watch it.
[00:50] <titov> trying to run a pxe boot ubuntu 10.04 installation via HP's iLO but I get a blank screen after the pxe menu because i don't have the gui module in the advanced iLO paid for.  how can i pxe boot into text mode.
[00:50] <nabukadnezar43> youtube.com/html5
[00:50] <titov>   I have tried: "APPEND initrd=images/ubuntu/x_86_64/10.04/initrd.gz watchdog nosplash -s"
[00:50] <KINGOFSWORDS> ahh ok galeons....ill try this ide thing and check mem later
[00:50] <pwrusr> would anyone here know where I would adda startup command in  kubuntu ??
[00:51] <nabukadnezar43> try #kubuntu pwrusr
[00:51] <pwrusr> ty no one appears to be home
[00:52] <weedeater64> Is there nothing in preferences or administration for editing the menu ?
[00:52] <Rehan> does anyone here use truecrypt?
[00:52] <qwebirc519159> @owrusr  try /etc/rc.local
[00:52] <Galeon> System -> Preferences -> Main Menu
[00:52] <Galeon> weedeater64:
[00:52] <LinuxHack3r> With 8GB of ddr3 2133Mhz memory, is it safe to delete the swap partition and remove it from fstab?
[00:53] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: it's not unsafe, but it's not a smart thing to do
[00:53] <weedeater64> I was talking to pwrusr Galeon
[00:53] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: Why so? Isn't it sorta like disabling page file in windows?
[00:53] <pwrusr> weedeater ty i'll try that
[00:53] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: theres a nonzero amount of things that need not be stored in memory at all, for how often they're accessed; they can exist mostly untouched on swap, if there is any
[00:53] <Galeon> sorry
[00:53] <Rehan> ohsix: why does he need swap if he has 8 GB of ram?
[00:53] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: it's abad idea in windows too
[00:53] <ohsix> they are paging operating systems
[00:54] <Vardan> hi all
[00:54] <qwebirc519159> @pwrusr  if you want global startup for whole machine with root privledge then /etc/rc.local should work.  for kubuntu specifc/user specific startup you will need a different channel
[00:54] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: you can make it really small though, like 512m
[00:54] <weedeater64> No need for apologies.
[00:54] <Vardan> people does anyone know the application where I can add my ssh servers information and easily connect to my server?
[00:54] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: Well I'll take your word for it. And I'll consider that. But I begin to wonder why even bother.
[00:55] <pwrusr> ok ty
[00:55] <nabukadnezar43> linuxhack3r you wont need swap for that amount of ram but why you want to do that?
[00:55] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: you need to consider if you're ever going to hibernate the system ever, too
[00:55] <nabukadnezar43> you have small hdd?
[00:55] <rww> LinuxHack3r: I have 4GB of RAM. I have run without a swap partition for years and have never seen a kernel dev say not to.
[00:55] <ohsix> nabukadnezar43: swap is highly desirable
[00:55] <mknarr> Vardan, use putty in windows
[00:55] <Vardan> not windoes
[00:55] <nabukadnezar43> i have 4 gb ram but i use 5 gb swap as well
[00:55] <Vardan> *windows
[00:55] <ohsix> rww: no kernel developer would care if you use swap
[00:55] <Vardan> linux/ubuntu
[00:55] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: Never really thought about hibernating. Perhaps I'll actually test it.
[00:55] <mknarr> then use terminal in linux
[00:55] <LinuxHack3r> nabukadnezar43: Mainly for "file system cleanliness".
[00:55] <ohsix> rww: the software you run can exist partly in swap; as with the resources it creates during its operation
[00:56] <rww> ohsix: Considering that they're the ones that developed the code that works with swap partitions, I care about what they think :)
[00:56] <fennng> I am using ubuntu 8.04, may I upgrade my linux kenel to any version? I am compling linux 2.6.28, currently using linux 2.6.24-29
[00:56] <rww> as far as applications are concerned, it's all memory
[00:56] <qwebirc519159> @Vardan see man ssh  near the bottom it explains howto set up ssh for automatic login using public/private keys
[00:56] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: don't shoot for less than half your ram if you want it to mostly work; cuz it just stops suspending if it runs out of swap, but that depends entirely on what needs to be compressed/swapped out to do it :]
[00:56] <LinuxHack3r> fennng: I'd start fresh. It takes like 20 minutes
[00:56] <ohsix> rww: while not quite literally untrue; not a useful statement
[00:57] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: So that's for hibernating. Ok, I'll keep that in mind.
[00:57] <Vardan> ok, never mind I'll use bash's aliases for that stuff, thanks :)
[00:57] <ruffleS> hi guys. i have this problem http://img715.imageshack.us/i/screenshotkd.jpg/ how can i fix it? firefox should either show no icons at all or show the folder icons too!
[00:57] <ohsix> rww: and it would literally not be their concern, it has to do with your regular working set
[00:57] <fennng> LinuxHack3r: what do you mean?
[00:57] <LinuxHack3r> fennng: About what exactly?
[00:57] <ohsix> LinuxHack3r: anonymous pages that are allocated but not touched, and nonzero can exist on the swap; most programs that allocate memory have some of these pages
[00:58] <nabukadnezar43> i tracked swap usage for some time on heavy load
[00:58] <Mac_Weber> I was going to install ispConfig, but it requires to disable apparmor. Is it safe to do it? Is there another free WHCP I can install not disabling apparmor?
[00:58] <nabukadnezar43> it never used it
[00:58] <nabukadnezar43> no software used it
[00:58] <ohsix> that "never" wasn't that heavy then
[00:58] <weedeater64> Oh, doh! start up. right.
[00:58] <LinuxHack3r> ohsix: fennng Well basicaly I was just "assuming" it could cause "faster", but then again at these speeds (my new build) I don't know if I could ask for more snapiness.
[00:58] <fennng> LinuxHack3r: I am using ubuntu 8.04, can I upgrade to any linux kernel? or I can only upgrade to centain kernel versions?
[00:59] <nabukadnezar43> it may break some of your software
[00:59] <nabukadnezar43> i am not sure though
[00:59] <LinuxHack3r> fennng: Oh I see, you are not planning on moving to Ubuntu 10.10?
[00:59] <fennng> LinuxHack3r: no
[01:00] <fennng> LinuxHack3r: Just upgrade the kernel.
[01:00] <ohsix> fennng: whats keeping you from using newer versions?
[01:00] <LinuxHack3r> fennng: Then I really do not know much about kernels and older distros
[01:00] <fennng> ohsix: old pc
[01:00] <ohsix> fennng: hm, must be strangely old; newer versions have a lot to offer
[01:00] <nabukadnezar43> fennng: why do you want the latest kernel?
[01:00] <Vardan> here is what I have searched http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/
[01:01] <qwebirc519159> swap -- with 4gigs you almost never need it, but if you ever do and dont have any it is crash city....   however if you look in synaptic there is a dynamic swap program which uses regular disk files and allocates swap/fiel space onbly as needed.
[01:01] <ohsix> qwebirc519159: there's two even! :]
[01:01] <sire> hello to all
[01:01] <ohsix> can't hibernate to them though
[01:01] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: well, i want to install layer 7 support for iptables, I am following a tutorial, the tutorial provides a newer versions of kernel, I have not idea whether I can use it.
[01:02] <sire> has any one used a pos sytem from linux? or ubuntu?
[01:02] <nabukadnezar43> did you try to install with your current kernel fennng?
[01:02] <fennng> ohsix: not very very old, about 7 years old, lol centrino 1.6G
[01:03] <ohsix> qwebirc519159: swap = hibernate ? some : some * 8;
[01:03] <ohsix> fennng: ahh, i run the natty beta on a netbook that's only 1.6; works well
[01:03] <sire> has any one setup a ubuntu pos sytem?
[01:03] <fennng> ohsix: what's natty beta?
[01:03] <nabukadnezar43> well 10.10 ran on my intel atom netbook without a problem
[01:03] <qwebirc519159> I think hibernate uses a seperate file, not sure, since it always crashes on every cpu Ive ever had I never ever use it.
[01:04] <nabukadnezar43> centrino is better then atoms i guess :)
[01:04] <ohsix> fennng: the next version of ubuntu
[01:04] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: I am thinking about upgrading.
[01:04] <ohsix> qwebirc519159: only on windows; on linux it can use swap,  but it needs to be visible to be resumed from
[01:04] <fennng> ohsix: what X do you use?
[01:04] <ohsix> s/can/does/
[01:05] <ohsix> fennng: what do you mean? i use gnome & whatever ubuntu comes with for X and it's drivers
[01:05] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: If I upgrade, which verison if ubuntu do you recommend.
[01:05] <codex84> how u delete a folder thats in ur home folder
[01:05] <nabukadnezar43> use the latest version
[01:05] <kupesoft> oper
[01:05] <fennng> ohsix: can gnome run smoothly?
[01:05] <nabukadnezar43> *install
[01:05] <codex84> useing the terminal
[01:05] <kupesoft> woops
[01:05] <kupesoft> I can't seem to get into the GRUB 2 menu in a 10.10 install
[01:05] <kupesoft> can't find the solution
[01:06] <KujiUn> Hi there. I'm having trouble with booting my Ubuntu partition after a botched Update Manager update. Can anyone help?
[01:06] <kupesoft> just boots right away to Ubuntu
[01:06] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: latest versin? I prefer a LTS version, so that I don't need to upgrade that frequently.
[01:06] <aeon-ltd> kupesoft: press Esc
[01:06] <nabukadnezar43> fennng: install beta 2 or wait one week?
[01:06] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: I think that the latest version is ubuntu 11, but most people are taling about 10.10
[01:06] <nabukadnezar43> the next version is a lts
[01:07] <kupesoft> aeon-ltd: I keep trying
[01:07] <codex84> i dont like 11
[01:07] <codex84> that much
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> I tend to wait a week or 2 after a new release comes out - to install it. :) to give it time to mellow out a little.
[01:07] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: next versin, 1 week later?
[01:07] <nabukadnezar43> yeah
[01:07] <qwebirc519159> ubuntu 11 is still in beta  10.10 is latest published
[01:07] <fennng> codex84: what's the relation between 11 and natty?
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> !natty
[01:07] <qwebirc519159> natty is cutsy name for 11
[01:07] <kupesoft> aeon-ltd: I'll try again I guess
[01:07] <codex84> aint 11
[01:07] <codex84> is natty?
[01:07] <nabukadnezar43> fennng: natty is 11.04
[01:08] <nabukadnezar43> wihch is going to be released next week
[01:08] <codex84> extacly
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> Im sick of the cute naming allready.. it just seems sillier as time goes on. :)
[01:08] <codex84> i dont like it i stay with 10.10
[01:08] <ohsix> fennng: as smoothly as it goes; it's a little chunky with compiz, without you get regular 2d redraw trails that are noticable but not particularly bad
[01:08] <ohsix> all smooth
[01:08] <codex84> that side bar looks retarted and annoy
[01:08] <codex84> lol
[01:08] <weedeater64> Vardan: nautilus, maybe ?
[01:08] <nabukadnezar43> codex84: cant you disable that?
[01:09] <ohsix> codex84: then don't use unity; that's not a nice word either
[01:09] <weedeater64> Ok, I give
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> The 'classic' desktop is still in 11.04  but not in 11.10 i hear.
[01:09] <nabukadnezar43> you can install gnome 3 if you want, this is linux
[01:09] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: what's the version number for next LTS?
[01:09] <nabukadnezar43> use what you like
[01:09] <rww> fennng: 12.04
[01:09] <nabukadnezar43> 11.04 is lts i guess
[01:10] <Galeon> no 12.04
[01:10] <codex84> if u cant disable
[01:10] <codex84> it than thats wack
[01:10] <nabukadnezar43> lts's end with .04 as far as i know
[01:10] <codex84> or can u?
[01:10] <fennng> Galeon: 12.04 is next LTS?
[01:10] <rww> nabukadnezar43: 11.04 is not an LTS
[01:10] <Galeon> yes, 6.04, 8.04, 10.04, 12.04
[01:10] <rww> LTSes are about every two years.
[01:10] <sire> does any one have experience with pos systems with ubuntu
[01:10] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: if you mean when gnome3 is in, then lots of things won't be there, supposedly the panel; which is what's a big deal for me
[01:10] <rww> Galeon: 6.04 doesn't exist. You mean 6.06 ;)
[01:10] <codex84> and 13.and 14
[01:10] <codex84> lol
[01:10] <Galeon> ah yes :)
[01:10] <nabukadnezar43> i see, didnt know that
[01:10] <Galeon> lol
[01:11] <qwebirc519159> at the login prompt you can choose a display manager  you can install many different display managers
[01:11] <fennng> Galeon: I am confursed, nabukadnezar43 said that the next LTS will be published in 1 week, then 11 is still in beta...
[01:11] <codex84> lol
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> ohsix:  I dont think they have plans for including gnome3 by default. Its to be Unity only in the  11.10 release.
[01:11] <mcurran> What do you mean 12.04, 11.04 hasn'
[01:11] <nabukadnezar43> lol
[01:11] <mcurran> t even come out
[01:11] <codex84> just wiki
[01:11] <codex84> it
[01:11] <codex84> lol
[01:11] <Pici> mcurran: Ubuntu release numbers are the YEAR.MONTH of release.
[01:11] <Galeon> fennng: no, LTS comes every 2 years, 10.04 (April 2010) is last
[01:11] <Pici> mcurran, fennng: LTSes come out every two years.
[01:11] <nabukadnezar43> 11.04 is going to be released next week (natty narwhal)
[01:12] <sire> i need advice on an point of sale  program to use with ubuntu,or any other distro
[01:12] <nabukadnezar43> and it's not a lts
[01:12] <nabukadnezar43> sorry for confusing you
[01:12] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: unity is a plugin for compiz, it does not replace the entire stack of software, speak carefully as to not spread baseless rumor
[01:12] <mcurran> what the hell is unity, some hole in the wall desktop?
[01:12] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: oh, i c, then which version should i use? the LTS or the latest?
[01:12] <ohsix> mcurran: it's a plugin for another window manager, compiz
[01:12] <mcurran> I don't want efficiency, I want cool graphics and effects
[01:13] <mcurran> oh
[01:13] <mcurran> okay
[01:13] <nabukadnezar43> always use the latest fennng, that's what i do
[01:13] <ohsix> sire: if you find one let me know! :D
[01:13] <mcurran> yeah, unless you plan on doing lots of development and hacking, and don' twant to run into compatability issues
[01:13] <sire> i have searched but i am having issues
[01:13] <KujiUn> Where would I find boot logs?
[01:13] <ohsix> sire: chances are it will be a web type deal that can run on ubuntu but is used through the browser
[01:14] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: well, I need to state my situation, I am a mainly windows user, I am using ubuntu as a server.
[01:14] <nabukadnezar43> unity is based on gnome, it supports all gnome apps
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> Kubbur:  /var/logs/
[01:14] <nabukadnezar43> i read somewhere that 11.10 will include gnome 3
[01:14] <ohsix> nabukadnezar43: it's not based on anything, they are independent, lilke compiz is independent of gnome
[01:14] <KujiUn> Thats.
[01:14] <KujiUn> Thanks*
[01:14] <sire> ohsix-its driving me crazy wondering if lemon is good or suse, can any of them run on ubuntu?
[01:14] <ohsix> nabukadnezar43: you can run any window manager you still want, while still using gnome software like the panel and nautilus
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> nabukadnezar43:  i read it was not going to include the gnome classic desktop. but by the time it comes out.. who can tell
[01:14] <Galeon> fennng: If you're using it as server, I suggest LTS
[01:15] <sire> what do you mean web based?
[01:15] <fennng> Galeon: thanks, than 10.04. I have that image.
[01:15] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: there might not be a "classic" desktop in the gnome 3 phase; that is gnomes deal
[01:15] <fennng> Galeon: don't need to download one...hah.
[01:16] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: really theres no classic desktop now, that's what ubuntu calls a regular gnome session
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> I imagine the gnome devs will be wanting to move everyone to gnome3 as soon as possible.     and there will be mass  anguish and mad people.
[01:16] <fennng> Galeon: I have finished compling linux kernel 2.6.28.... fear to make install.....
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> classic is a vague term :)
[01:16] <nabukadnezar43> fennng: your system may broke
[01:16] <mcurran> when r they going to make a 3d desktop that actually uses 3d implementation, like navigating into cubes n' shit?
[01:16] <nabukadnezar43> be careful :)
[01:16] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: why?
[01:16] <mcurran> come on now.  I can think of many cool effects that would make ubuntu and compiz look silly
[01:16] <aroman> hey, I've got a a bunch of .rar files that look like "xyz.rar.partX", where X is a number from 1 to like 7. I assumed these files need to be "stitched together" somehow. How/can I do this?
[01:16] <Galeon> fennng: I haven't tried to install a kernel before, because the source is quite large :)
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> mcurran:  when such stuff actually makes you more productive? :)
[01:17] <nabukadnezar43> well all of your software installed with older kernel
[01:17] <fennng> As I know I can choose which kernels to use in grub.
[01:17] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: want isn't something that exists as you describe it when there's free will and choice
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> aroman:  extract the first part and the rest should follow.
[01:17] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: if i install a new kernel, can i use the old one i I wish?
[01:17] <aroman> Dr_Willis: what do you mean?
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> aroman:  no need to combine them first. if  you do it right.
[01:17] <ohsix> mcurran: well that'd mean ditching pretty much all the software that exists now to do it, stuff like wayland aim to make it easy and be different enough for experiments
[01:17] <aroman> like the extrating tool should identify that it's one of a set and take care of it for me?
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> aroman:  unrar -e foo.rar.part1  (or similer) should work.
[01:18] <mcurran> wayland aye
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> aroman:  rar should handle it.
[01:18] <mcurran> checkin' it out
[01:18] <aroman> Dr_Willis: okay, i'll be sure to try that. Still downloading some atm :)
[01:18] <nabukadnezar43> i guess you can fennng
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> aroman:  now a 'par' file is somthign differnt.
[01:18] <nabukadnezar43> grub offers it at startup
[01:18] <mcurran> this unity look isn't bad, but we need something way more advanced
[01:18] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: if that's the case, the new kernel will not break my system.
[01:18] <linuxmonkey> whats the offtopic ubuntu channel again?
[01:18] <Pici> linuxmonkey: #ubuntu-offtopic oddly enough
[01:19] <fennng> nabukadnezar43: if it has problem , i can use the old one.
[01:19] <ohsix> mcurran: the form factor is hardly there yet to actually make use of such a thing though
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> mcurran:  ones mans advanced is anothers  'cluttered interface' :)
[01:19] <linuxmonkey> pici wasnt sure if there was a dash or not so easyer to ask.lol
[01:19] <ohsix> mcurran: it's pretty much al lnetbooks for the forseeable future
[01:19] <KujiUn> Hi there. I'm having trouble with booting my Ubuntu partition after a botched Update Manager update. I am currently using the boot disc to access the drive. Can someone help, please?
[01:19] <fennng> set theme green
[01:20] <KujiUn> Fsck seems to register the disc as clean.
[01:20] <mcurran> yeah, but many of the compiz effects that exist would only need to be slightly modified, and maybe intregrated with something like xwinwrap.  I just picutre something like windows as 3d cubes and like tunneling effects when clicking on apps or terminals/etc.
[01:21] <mcurran> something that looks more like the screen/user is moving instead of the desktop (which is how it is now)
[01:21] <ohsix> mcurran: well you can have that already, mostly; but it still comes down to 2d windows and one or more mouse cursors, or touch blobs
[01:21] <lavon> can anybody tell me how to use remote desktop or teamviewer on this OS everytime i try to it logs me out of the computer
[01:21] <mcurran> true
[01:21] <Rehan> how can I move my GRUB2 to the partition that Ubuntu is on instead of the MBR?
[01:21] <mcurran> lavon, r u using teamviewer or vnc?
[01:21] <mcurran> dd
[01:21] <lavon> teamviewer
[01:21] <mcurran> Rehan dd
[01:22] <mcurran> hmm
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> Rehan:  grub has 2 parts.. the 'mbr' part and the data files in the /boot/ directory.
[01:22] <KujiUn> ...um, hello?
[01:22] <mcurran> it logs you out when you start the teamviewer connection?
[01:22] <mcurran> what to yourself?
[01:22] <lavon> yeah
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> Rehan:  booting from a specific partion  - often does not work right.
[01:22] <Rehan> mcurran: dd?
[01:22] <mcurran> So your trying to login to xserver from xserver?
[01:22] <lavon> oh
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> Rehan:  You can tell grub to install to /dev/sda1 instead of sda. but im not sure what you are gaining by wanting to do this.
[01:23] <mcurran> yes
[01:23] <Rehan> Dr_Willis: i'm trying to install truecrypt and it doesn't work with a linux bootloader installed, it needs its own
[01:23] <ohsix> Rehan: grub-install
[01:23] <ohsix> ARHOAUGHAOUGHOAUGHAOUG truecrypt
[01:23] <ohsix> you are doing something awful
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> Rehan:  s you need to chainload the grub loader then. that makes sence.
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> Never used truecrypt. so good luck
[01:23] <mcurran> Rehan, installing grub to the native linux partition is the way to go, then set it active, so then you preserver mbr n' such
[01:23] <roman24t> heyya i'm trying to set up a home server
[01:23] <mcurran> what database
[01:24] <ohsix> good luck indeed, you'd think people would know what they want, what they can get; and how to use it before they'd try encrypting some information
[01:24] <roman24t> does anyone know a good online tutorial?
[01:24] <roman24t> ubuntu 11.04 just simple ftp/ssh
[01:24] <mknarr> roman24t, what kind of server do u want
[01:24] <Rehan> mcurran: how do I move the currently MBR-installed GRUB2 to the linux partition? thank you for helping
[01:24] <ohsix> mcurran: you have to be careful, some filesystems don't leave space for it to be on the partition
[01:24] <mcurran> I just tried encryption with LM, for the first time haven't had any hiccups yet.
[01:25] <lavon_> whoa did somebody just log me out ??
[01:25] <KM0201> lol.. irc gremlins
[01:25] <lavon_> i m confused
[01:25] <mknarr> rofl
[01:25] <lavon_> ok how do i keep that from hsppening again
[01:25] <KM0201> lavon_: your connection probably hiccupped, and when it came back, you auto-reconnected
[01:26] <lavon_> ok
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> Rehan:  you dont move it.. you install it to the new location. and remove it from the old. :)
[01:26] <lavon_> so how do i get on teamviewer without it logining me out of my computer
[01:26] <KM0201> it shouldn't log you out of your computer.;
[01:26] <ohsix> don't help people use truecrypt, they have no idea what they're doing
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> Rehan:  remove it by installing the truecrypt bootloader i guess? Ive not used trurctype
[01:27] <mcurran> something like this Rehan:  dd if=/dev/sda1 (or wherever grub is) of=/dev/sda2 bs=512 count=1  SO the first is where it is, and the second is where it's going.  You can call it something better instead of sda whatever
[01:27] <kindofabuzz> Need help with passwordless ssh. got key made and copied over but still asks for password
[01:27] <lavon_> it does though i know it's not suppose to log me out of the computer
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> kindofabuzz:  i tend to just use the 'ssh-keygen' command then 'ssh-copy-id remotebox'  and tht handles it all.
[01:27] <rww> roman24t: #ubuntu is for supported versions of Ubuntu only. Please use #ubuntu+1 for natty until it's released (probably on the 28th). Thanks!
[01:27] <Rehan> ohsix: thanks for your help
[01:27] <sire> has any one tried any point of sale distros?
[01:27] <kindofabuzz> Dr_Willis: that's exactly what I did. still asks for pass
[01:27] <lavon_> no i didnt im still here
[01:28] <ohsix> Rehan: here's hoping you already have the computer under lock and key or it's all for naught!
[01:28] <KM0201> lavon_: dunno, teamviewer starts fine for me.
[01:28] <mongy> kindofabuzz, encrypted home?
[01:28] <Rehan> mcurran: thanks
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> kindofabuzz:  i do exactly that all the time. on every new install. never had it fail.   perhaps 'ssh -vv remote' will  give some clues
[01:28] <kindofabuzz> mongy: yes it is. on the server
[01:28] <mcurran> no problem
[01:28] <Rehan> brb
[01:29] <mongy> kindofabuzz, yeah.  need to edit the ssh config, set to users, hangon let me grab it
[01:29] <kindofabuzz> mongy: thanks
[01:29] <fennng> how to display the target of a symblic link?
[01:29] <ohsix> kindofabuzz: keys should already be ahead of interactive authentication; you should confirm that it is then make sure you have the keys in the right place
[01:29] <mcurran> ls -l
[01:30] <fennng> mcurran: ths, works
[01:30] <mongy> kindofabuzz, http://superuser.com/questions/61057/ssh-with-authorized-keys-to-an-ubuntu-system-with-encrypted-homedir
[01:30] <kindofabuzz> ohsix: keys are in correct places
[01:30] <kindofabuzz> mongy: thanks buddy
[01:30] <mongy> kindofabuzz, keys need to be in not encrypted place
[01:30] <ohsix> nevermind, was assuming nothing stupid was being done, my mistake
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> yea. encrypted home.. that would add a layer of issues.
[01:30] <ohsix> mongy: a great place for them :D
[01:30] <aputamkon> hi
[01:31] <mongy> I tackled this for ages.  finally found a fix
[01:31] <zaksoldier> bye every one
[01:31] <aputamkon> im trying to get the cwirc to work any 1 know how?
[01:31] <aputamkon> for morse code
[01:32] <ohsix> mongy: is your computer under lock and key?
[01:32] <mongy> ohsix, pretty much
[01:32] <ohsix> nice, you'd be the first
[01:33] <mongy> ohsix, they asked, I replied.
[01:33] <ohsix> excessively encrypting things only guarantees you'll lose something unimportant; and the actual stuff you want to secure will be mixed in with junk, people need to segregate what they actually want to keep secure and assure its physical security
[01:33] <juzzy__> hi, my ati card under ubuntu is playing up, something fierce, i have multiple drivers involved, how can i put it back to an original state?
[01:34] <mongy> ohsix, I only use a private folder personally.
[01:34] <ohsix> good deal
[01:34] <nabukadnezar43> juzzy__: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[01:35] <mcurran> yeah ohsix, I'd definitely create backup packages of your encrypted directories beforehand.  But that's just my suggestion
[01:35] <mcurran> A litte advice for anyone, don't try to change gcc version in ubuntu manually, I just toasted another install.  Last time it was perl.
[01:36] <ohsix> never a great idea to mess with infrastructure packages
[01:36] <nabukadnezar43> dependency hell :)
[01:36] <mcurran> they really should have a straightforward solution to undoing manual dpkg installs that create massive dependency messes
[01:36] <ohsix> mcurran: people don't even keep track of their authentication tokens and have a big whine when they can't access the unimportant stuff they decided to encrypt
[01:37] <ubunty> salut
[01:37] <ubunty> ya du monde?
[01:37] <zaksoldier> nee hao
[01:37] <ohsix> mcurran: well, there's apt preferences and pinning releases; allowing downgrades and the like
[01:37] <mcurran> ohsix, are you planning on running multiple services on your box?  what is the need for encryption really?
[01:37] <kindofabuzz> mongy: hmm still not working. set the correct path in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and moved authorized_keys to the dir but still no go
[01:37] <ohsix> mcurran: i'm not the guy doing it
[01:38] <ubunty> i ve lost ubuntu graphical interface, how do i get it back ?
[01:38] <ubunty> ubuntu boots into a terminal
[01:38] <mcurran> yeah, but I tried for four days trying to convince either apt or dpkg to fix that gcc mess without uninstalling 5000 (really 5000+) packages, and I didn't win
[01:38] <rileyp> startx
[01:38] <ubunty> how to get the graphical interface
[01:39] <nabukadnezar43> startx as he said
[01:39] <kindofabuzz> ubunty: startx or sudo service gdm start
[01:39] <rileyp> or sudo service gdm restart
[01:39] <nabukadnezar43> did you install graphics driver ubunty?
[01:39] <ubunty> ok i try
[01:39] <mcurran> startx should do it, unless xserver.xorg is messed up.  Not too familiar with the new interface sorry.
[01:39] <ubunty>  :)\
[01:39] <ubunty> tx
[01:39] <ohsix> mcurran: it's not going to do it with the information it has, you need to add more with pins, and tell it that it's ok to use downgrades for updates
[01:39] <phoenixsampras> mcurran: reinstall, Ubuntu fixes all problems like Windows just reinstalling
[01:39] <mcurran> :)
[01:39] <fictive> hi guys, I just dist-upgraded from 10.10 to natty, but I'm not getting natty as my window manager, isn't this supposed to be default?
[01:39] <fictive> s/natty/unity
[01:40] <mcurran> yeah, too bad I didn't have any space to backup this time, and whiped out so many custom scripts I made this past year.  I'm so pissed.
[01:40] <rww> fictive: #ubuntu is for supported versions of Ubuntu only. Please use #ubuntu+1 for natty until it's released (probably on the 28th). Thanks!
[01:40] <phoenixsampras> fictive: aint natty yet beta?
[01:40] <fictive> rww: will do, thank you =)
[01:40] <ubunty> ok
[01:40] <cane928> has anybody got any idea how to connect a remote optical drive to a virtual machine.. i'm trying to figure it out with ISCSI although it seems that ISCSI is mostly used for hard drives... and i can't find any solid info on it.
[01:40] <ubunty> did not work
[01:40] <nabukadnezar43> ubunty
[01:40] <ohsix> phoenixsampras: if you reinstall you didn't fix any problems, you replaced what you were having a problem with
[01:40] <nabukadnezar43> did you install any graphics driver?
[01:41] <mcurran> cane928, r u using virtualbox?
[01:41] <mcurran> it's pretty straightforward
[01:41] <ubunty> i installed ubuntu-sunrise and now i lost the graphical interface
[01:41] <ubunty> startx does not work
[01:41] <cane928> mcurran: yes
[01:41] <phoenixsampras> i bet 6 beers its the vga drivers
[01:42] <mcurran> change the window manager back.  If you have compiz installed, fusion-icon has a simple right click menu for changing the window manager.  Won't really help if you can't begin it though
[01:42] <hiexpo> mcurran, you can't blame anyone but yourself  i have been there done that also   and it bites so i backup everything i do as i do it now to ensure i have it   > hard work gone to waste
[01:42] <ubunty> gdm already running,
[01:42] <ubunty> it says
[01:42] <ubunty> but no desktop
[01:42] <mcurran> I know, I'm venting sorry
[01:42] <ubunty> stqrtx does not work
[01:42] <ohsix> why would installing a theme break it, you must have done something else
[01:42] <mcurran> Definitely my own fault for reinstalling before really searching and pulling everything I wanted...
[01:42] <ubunty> fata error no screen found
[01:43] <ubunty> when doing stqrtx
[01:43] <nabukadnezar43> it's "startx"
[01:43] <ubunty> yes startx
[01:43] <ohsix> ubunty: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? if so move it out of the way
[01:43] <mcurran> yeah he now has that window manager set as the default and now needs to switch back to gnome, kde whatever.
[01:43] <ohsix> mcurran: btw you could have installed gcc without doing it manually; added it as a source then pinned that pocket as a valid version
[01:44] <ohsix> mcurran: apt pinning is a very very worthwhile thing to know
[01:44] <mcurran> some splash themes allow window manager selection as well, actually ubuntu should by default right?  Not sure, since I've been using Mint ant BT4
[01:44] <ohsix> mcurran: fyi mint and bt4 aren't supported variants, so if you have a ubuntu question keep that in mind :]
[01:44] <mcurran> how do you do this ohsix (apt pinning)  never heard of it.  Do you mean the checks' wihtou installing
[01:45] <ubunty> seems i will have to reinstall :)
[01:45] <zoaz> hi can anyone tell me how to change color depth in 10.10?
[01:45] <zoaz> from 32 to 256
[01:45] <ohsix> ubunty: no, check and see if that file is there, if it is, move it to another filename
[01:45] <mcurran> ohsix I'm just saying, sorry didn't know I wasn't allowed to chat if I use anything but default ubuntu
[01:46] <ohsix> mcurran: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
[01:46] <mcurran> ubunty, why don't you just read what it says when it states that it failed to connect to xserver at bootup (use -v boot flage)
[01:47] <mcurran> it's not a good habit to just reinstall whenever you run into a new problem, because a lot of times you'll run into it again nyways.  I know, I reinstall alot too, but you learn more by actually researching
[01:48] <ohsix> if it says no screens found, you could have a garbage xorg.conf from who knows what, given the circumstances, simply move it out of the way and the automatic stuff will bring _something_ up
[01:48] <mcurran> yes definitely xorg
[01:48] <mcurran> check driver listed under display
[01:48] <mikas> hi everyone, does anyone here can help me with a problem that i have with my PSU? Please pm me, and sorry for my bad english
[01:49] <ubunty> i am lost
[01:49] <ubunty> completely
[01:49] <ubunty> :)
[01:49] <KujiUn> Hm... can anyone help me with this problem? http://pastebin.com/TGEBxuk6
[01:49] <mcurran> what's up mikas, I just mickey mouse wired up my GTX 460 in this pos emachines, so I've been playing around with my PSU
[01:50] <mcurran> use sud KujiUn
[01:50] <mcurran> sudo
[01:50] <codex84> when i type /home/codex84/downloads in ternimal
[01:50] <codex84> it says no such directory
[01:50] <codex84> ?
[01:50] <KujiUn> I'm right now chroot'ing to the drive, mcurran.
[01:51] <khir0> hi
[01:51] <KujiUn> And it's still giving me the error.
[01:51] <khir0> ola
[01:51] <khir0> are u here
[01:51] <aeon-ltd> codex84: tab complete to check
[01:51] <MaRk-I> codex84:  case sensitive how about Downloads
[01:51] <khir0> exit
[01:52] <codex84> says is a directory
[01:52] <ruan> is firefox version: 4.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~mfs~maverick1  in the repos?
[01:52] <codex84> got it thanks mann
[01:52] <Daekdroom> ruan, nope.
[01:53] <Daekdroom> Well, unless it's in backports, but I'm not sure.
[01:53] <ruan> in default. because i removed the stable ppa and updated and still have that version as latest
[01:53] <Daekdroom> ruan, you had to use ppa-purge so it'd downgrade the packages.
[01:53] <ruan> ah
[01:53] <ruan> im trying to get a daily build
[01:53] <chd> will natty narwhal support 64bit?
[01:53] <ohsix> ruan: that's not an official package version, it's something from a ppa
[01:53] <Daekdroom> ruan, try https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[01:54] <Daekdroom> !natty | chd
[01:54] <gh0st> !natty
[01:54] <hiexpo> nicejob mcurran you just got banned from backtrack
[01:54] <phoenixsampras> will Ubuntu 11.04 will cost 200 Usd as the press says?
[01:54] <nommy> hey all. dumbdumb here managed to accidentally erase /sbin/initctl. is there an easy way to make apt re-install this file?
[01:54] <ohsix> hiexpo: for offtopic chatter -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:54] <nommy> or do i need to get the iso
[01:54] <ruan> i already added the ppa
[01:54] <ohsix> phoenixsampras: trolling is offtopic on freenode
[01:55] <Daekdroom> ruan, in that PPA, firefox 4 is under firefox-4.0 package
[01:55] <Daekdroom> No clue why.
[01:55] <ruan> ah
[01:55] <ruan> i see a daily 3.6.18
[01:55] <mikas> hi everyone, does anyone here can help me with a problem that i have with my PSU? Please pm me, and sorry for my bad english
[01:55] <ruan> under versions
[01:56] <velcroshooz> does anyone know how i might reduce screen tearing while watching videos? whether it is movie player or vlc, it seems to happen constantly. I am using full desktop effects. is there a different video output mode i might use to help?
[01:56] <ohsix> ruan: i had great success with adding natty to my software sources and then pinning ff4
[01:57] <phoenixsampras> velcroshooz: use propietary drivers
[01:57] <ruan> i hope firefox-4.0 doesnt install a seperate package
[01:57] <velcroshooz> phoenixsampras, i am
[01:57] <ruan> because that'd install firefox 4 next to firefox 4.....
[01:57] <phoenixsampras> velcroshooz: then upgrade your video card
[01:57] <ohsix> velcroshooz: you can tell compiz to use vsync, and to ratelimit its drawing as well; compizconfig-settings-manager, it'll let you edit the options
[01:57] <velcroshooz> phoenixsampras, it has nothing to do with that.
[01:57] <ohsix> phoenixsampras: indeed it doesn't
[01:58] <velcroshooz> ohsix, i will look into that, thank you
[01:58] <mikas> hi everyone, does anyone here can help me with a problem that i have with my PSU? Please pm me, and sorry for my bad english
[01:58] <ohsix> velcroshooz: does your card support textured video?
[01:59] <ruan> how do i hold back a package with apt-get?
[01:59] <ohsix> velcroshooz: post the output of "xvinfo" ran in a terminal, to paste.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <ruan> apt*
[01:59] <Logan_> mikas: What is your native language?  We have a Ubuntu channel for almost every language.
[01:59] <ruan> i've tried synaptic and aptitude but apt-get doesnt hold back
[02:00] <KINGOFSWORDS> hi...does xp not install to ssd drives?
[02:00] <ohsix> KINGOFSWORDS: this isn't a windows support channel
[02:00] <velcroshooz> ohsix, http://paste.ubuntu.com/597212/
[02:00] <Logan_> !windows | KINGOFSWORDS
[02:01] <phoenixsampras> ive been many years with apt, and when is screwed IT IS screwed, no rolling back
[02:01] <ohsix> velcroshooz: looks good
[02:01] <phoenixsampras> KINGOFSWORDS: no it doesnt
[02:01] <Logan_> !el >mikas
[02:01] <ohsix> phoenixsampras: apt doesn't get screwed, dpkg's package status does
[02:01] <magicianlord> phoenixsampras: what's wrong with apt?
[02:01] <phoenixsampras> well debian apt, not ubuntu's
[02:01] <ohsix> phoenixsampras: it does, but this isn't a windows support channel, why are you telling people these things?
[02:02] <ohsix> debians apt is ubuntu's
[02:02] <phoenixsampras> i got diarrea, brb...
[02:02] <maco> uh.....
[02:02] <bastidrazor> phoenixsampras: so does debians apt
[02:02] <maco> !tmi | phoenixsampras
[02:02] <ohsix> phoenixsampras: diarrhea
[02:02] <magicianlord> phoenixsampras: please do not say things of that sort in here.
[02:03] <joelcnz_> Does any one know how to fix this problem? Like when I run games, some of them act as if I've got a joystick and the stick is in a move position.
[02:04] <magicianlord> joelcnz_: calibrate
[02:04] <ohsix> joelcnz_: depends on the joystick, a lot of usb ones will treat the resting position when you plug it in as center, so if it's held offcenter when it's plugged in, it will obviously stick in one direction when it's resting
[02:05] <mikas> hi everyone, does anyone here can help me with a problem that i have with my PSU? Please pm me, and sorry for my bad english
[02:05] <Rehan> I just updated all available packages in Update Manager and my Windows partition is no longer showing up in Grub2. Could anyone suggest a fix please? Thanks.
[02:05] <Ben64> mikas: this channel is for ubuntu support, and if you have a question, ask in here, not PM
[02:05] <ohsix> Rehan: i bet you just obliterated it with dd trying to "install" truecrypt, install testdisk ASAP and have it search and recover your partition information
[02:06] <Rehan> ohsix: I didn't do anything besides login to Ubuntu and run Update Manager.
[02:06] <joelcnz_> magicianlord, ohsix, but I don't have a joystick.
[02:06] <ohsix> then run sudo update-grub again in a terminal, it will say what labels it will find
[02:06] <Rehan> ohsix: after the updates it had me restart the system and on restart I noticed windows was gone
[02:06] <mikas> hi everyone, does anyone here can help me with a problem that i have with my PSU? Please pm me, and sorry for my bad english
[02:06] <Ben64> mikas: this channel is for ubuntu support, and if you have a question, ask in here, not PM
[02:07] <mikas> oooops sorry
[02:07] <ohsix> joelcnz_: is it every app or just one?
[02:07] <Rehan> ohsix: it only seems to find linux images and initrd images
[02:07] <velcroshooz> ohsix, is 'sync to vblank' the option im looking for in compizconfig-settings-manager?
[02:08] <flametai1> Does anyone know any good FPS's that I can download by adding a repository to Ubuntu?
[02:08] <Rehan> ohsix: one example: Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-28-generic
[02:08] <ohsix> velcroshooz: yea, or the one that autodetects framerate, you can pin it around your screens refresh rate if vsync doesn't work well; the option is in general options i believe
[02:08] <ctmjr> mikas, there is a #hardware channel you might have better luck there but I would drop the pm invite
[02:08] <flametai1> Whoops wrong channel sorry guys
[02:08] <velcroshooz> ohsix, okay
[02:09] <mikas> thnaks for the info ctmjr
[02:09] <classicc> I am using S{peed}EX-B0T v5.7 Get It At http://SpeedBot.up.co.il By Speed & Atom-Bomb
[02:09] <ohsix> velcroshooz: i have it throttle to 50fps here, on my laptop; don't need the extra fps and i sidestep the problem, bonus for saving some battery :]
[02:09] <joelcnz_> ohsix, not just one.
[02:10] <rww> classicc: Turn that off.
[02:10] <mikas> ctmjr i cant join that channel :/ sorry but i m tottaly new at irc, what i have to do
[02:10] <Superstar> Ubuntu didn't seem to install grub, can I still install it?
[02:10] <Rehan> mikas: type /join #channel where channel is the name of the channel you want to join
[02:10] <ohsix> joelcnz_: couldn't say, theres like js-utils or something that has some stuff that can list joysticks, maybe you have a synthetic device that they're finding
[02:10] <policyq> someone tell me how much space is needed for bare minimum ubuntu  install
[02:10] <rww> !requirements | policyq
[02:10] <ka9q> join #git
[02:11] <mikas> i sais  Cannot join #hardware (Channel is invite only).
[02:11] <ohsix> policyq: with no space left for user files it is about 2gigs (1,996 or something megabytes last time i checked ubuntu-desktop)
[02:11] <ctmjr> mikas type /j ##hardware in a chat window
[02:11] <Ben64> mikas: well what problem are you having with PSU? normally you just have to replace them, not fix or anything
[02:11] <Logan_> mikas: two ##
[02:12] <rww> !register
[02:12] <Rehan> ohsix: if update-grub isn't finding the windows partition anymore but I can still easily access the files on that partition what could be the problem? I have the windows drive mounted as an NTFS drive and can access all of My Docs, My Pics, etc
[02:12] <policyq> thanks guys
[02:12] <Spthysis> Why not?
[02:13] <policyq> ohsix: hm are you talking about straight from a cd install or just calculating the ubuntu-desktop packages?
[02:13] <ubunty> how can i boot the ubuntu 10.10 cdrom in rescue mode
[02:13] <mikas> still nothing, returned :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[02:13] <ohsix> policyq: calculating it from the ubuntu-desktop package, which brings in all the stuff that's on a standard ubuntu install from the cd
[02:13] <Spthysis> ubunty: Hit f6 on the keyboard screen
[02:13] <rww> !register > mikas
[02:13] <Spthysis> ubunty: Then there's a menu with some options
[02:13] <ubunty> ok
[02:14] <ubunty> i try
[02:14] <ubunty> ttx
[02:14] <ubunty> a lot
[02:14] <Spthysis> Anyone else need help?
[02:14] <FloodBot1> ubunty: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:14] <Spthysis> I'm boutta head out
[02:14] <Spthysis> Alright, I'm out of here.
[02:14] <Spthysis> Later all.
[02:15] <blind> I updated to ubuntu 10.10 recently and in Chrome and Chromium, Flash crashes instantly when trying to play, and in Fire&Swiftfox, flash crashed when I make it fullscreen.. any suggestions?
[02:15] <ctmjr> thanks rww i did not know you had to be registered to join that channel
[02:16] <velcroshooz> ohsix, sync to vblank has made a significant improvement, thanks
[02:17] <ubunty> hitting f6 gives me a menu but i dont see the rescue mode :)
[02:17] <classicc> ?...
[02:17] <cavedon> hi, jcc binary  on natty needs to be rebuilt. what is the procedure for requesting a rebuild at this stage?
[02:18] <Rehan> ohsix: still around?
[02:18] <rww> classicc: You have a script running that announces itself when you join channels. This violates Ubuntu's IRC Guidelines against talking scripts. Disable it in this channel.
[02:19] <Rehan> ohsix: a few weeks ago I got sick of having the win7 system reserved partition always showing up in nautilus so someone told me i could have it set to mount to /dev/null in fstab so that it wouldn't show up anymore. That worked, but do you think that might cause my win7 install to go missing in grub2 after doing updates?
[02:19] <classicc> rww?
[02:19] <classicc> what?
[02:20] <rww> classicc: Which part of that message did you not understand?
[02:20] <classicc> no..i not speech english good
[02:20] <ohsix> velcroshooz: np, theres lots of other fun stuff in ccsm too
[02:20] <classicc> sory..
[02:21] <rww> classicc: Your IRC client has scripts. They talk when you join channels. That is bad. Turn it off.
[02:21] <cab938_dt> I've got an application that's pretty sensitive to kernel and package changes, but need to deploy it over time to a range of machines.  Is there a way I can "snapshot" or create some automated log so that when I install on newer machines it doesn't grab the wrong updates?  I need particular versions of the kernel etc
[02:22] <ohsix> velcroshooz: i picked 50 instead of riding vsync cuz that's twice the average framerate of the content i watch; only a few percent compared to 60, but close enough
[02:23] <ohsix> cab938_dt: what application? and why is it so dependent on the kernel version (most dependencies on kernel versions are >=, not =)
[02:23] <classicc> rww..what i cant to do?
[02:24] <cab938_dt> It's a custom app that requires drivers being compiled against a particular kernel ohsix
[02:24] <cab938_dt> unfortunatly the drivers are closed source
[02:24] <phoenixsampras> but Ubuntu can open them?
[02:25] <ohsix> cab938_dt: given the circumstances you should probably package your drivers and the kernel to go with them for your deployments
[02:25] <cab938_dt> phoenixsampras, not sure if you're talkign to me, but we actually get the company to ship us new drivers each time there is a kernel change
[02:25] <ohsix> that'll obviously keep you from security updates and stuff on whatever version you need to force
[02:25] <tash3r> how do i install the wine tar.bz2?
[02:26] <cab938_dt> ohsix, so just write a script to downgrade the kernel to the right level?
[02:26] <ohsix> cab938_dt: what device is it?
[02:26] <cab938_dt> vga2usb by epiphan systems
[02:26] <cab938_dt> usb capture card for vga signals
[02:26] <ohsix> cab938_dt: no, build a debian package with the kernel you need
[02:26] <hugo> i'm using a asus eeepc 1015PE netbook with ubuntu 10.10 and the cpu is always above 50ºC, can someone help me solve this problem?
[02:26] <ohsix> hm, they don't use anything from silicon image or anything?
[02:26] <Rehan> ohsix: any tips for me? thanks
[02:26] <cab938_dt> not sure what's inside, their new stuff is all dvinci from ti
[02:27] <cab938_dt> ohsix, ok, I'll look into what it takes to build a deb file, never gone it
[02:27] <cab938_dt> done it
[02:27] <cab938_dt> ty for the advice
[02:28] <Grej> Hell
[02:28] <Grej> o
[02:28] <ohsix> cab938_dt: ahh it just uses an analog devices ADC, the rest is in software
[02:28] <Grej> Would anyone potentially be able to help me with Broadcom STA Wireless Driver ?
[02:28] <ohsix> cab938_dt: at least the pci version is :P
[02:28] <ohsix> nm it's the usb version as well
[02:28] <cab938_dt> ohsix, I imagine they're all the same, they seem to be good at repackaging for different form factors
[02:28] <ohsix> yea, you can see the adc here http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb/internal-version/
[02:29] <Grej> Anyone be able to help with driver having the dreade "This driver is active, but not in use" ??
[02:29] <cab938_dt> yup, thats the guy we use
[02:29] <ohsix> a driver for that would be no problem to make, but the software part that turns it would need to be written too
[02:29] <cab938_dt> works not bad
[02:29] <cab938_dt> yea, so they'll build us drivers on demand for different kernels
[02:29] <cab938_dt> but it's a pia
[02:30] <cab938_dt> we're trying to ship an open source project on it and every time someone wants to use another flavoured distro or kernel we need to send in a support request
[02:30] <cab938_dt> opencastproject.org
[02:30] <hugo> overheat problem with cpu temp always above 50ºC, just with ubuntu, any ideia?
[02:31] <ohsix> cab938_dt: you should see if you can get them to split it up and open source it, it's not really remarkable, the hard part is done in dumb hardware
[02:31] <Grej> ohsix ?
[02:31] <cab938_dt> ohsix, we've been asking and asking, I have a dev heading over there next week where I hope we can ask some more
[02:32] <Superstar> When I installed Ubuntu, it didn't install Grub. I've manually installed Grub to the boot sector . How do I erase the MBR?
[02:32] <jedi-master> 230
[02:32] <MattAAron> HDD Power question... If I have a cable that goes from 2 molex to 1 sata power... will that sata power have enough power to power 2 hard drives??
[02:33] <Superstar> Never mind I found the answer. I can use install-mbr
[02:33] <Grej> Would anyone be able to help with network problem ?'
[02:33] <ohsix> MattAAron: depends on the psu, but if it's at least 300w it should, figure worst case for each hd is 1amp amp at startup
[02:34] <Grej> Broadcom Wireless STA Driver is "active but not in use"
[02:34] <ohsix> MattAAron: but the datasheet for your drive should say the actual power usage, you could use those numbers to know for sure (almost certain it's fine, however)
[02:34] <MattAAron> thx ohsix... it's an 850w, so that's good?
[02:34] <MattAAron> ahhhh
[02:34] <MattAAron> true
[02:34] <MattAAron> I'm trying to power 11 hdd's here :\
[02:34] <MattAAron> 1 power supply
[02:35] <xraven> Can someone point me to some documentation that can guide me to successful building gnome3 in 10.10?
[02:35] <MattAAron> I was able to just fine before... but now i bought a new thing that's splitting the power, just hoping i dont run into problems
[02:35] <blind> I updated to ubuntu 10.10 recently and in Chrome and Chromium, Flash crashes instantly when trying to play, and in Fire&Swiftfox, flash crashed when I make it fullscreen.. any suggestions?
[02:35] <ohsix> MattAAron: each bus numbers capacity should be clearly marked somewhere, mine has 4 busses and i could weld with it :D
[02:37] <classicc> is not here color?
[02:37] <MattAAron> If I were to pay you $10 and give you the models of my hdd/power supply/setup could u find out for me lol
[02:37] <oooo_> Wondering if anyone can help me.. in Ubuntu.. Im trying to forword my ipv4.. and its not working... would this be because im on a laptop with a wireless card?
[02:37] <ohsix> MattAAron: model of psu should suffice
[02:37] <MattAAron> hold
[02:39] <MattAAron> make it 10 minutes, drawing a diagram too lol
[02:39] <ohsix> it's not really important, it will work
[02:40] <Grej> Anyone be able to help with this ?
[02:40] <Grej> Hey guys, I have this problem with the driver being enabled but not active, I do the sudo modprobe wl and I get this:
[02:40] <kevman> Hi, I recently updated via apt-get dist-upgrade. When I did this, though, /lib/firmware/rt3070.bin disappeared and now my wireless card complains about not being able to load it. Help?
[02:40] <classicc> there is a israeli peple?
[02:40] <rww> !il | classicc
[02:41] <ohsix> kevman: did linux-firmware get updated? and did you boot the newest kernel available; if yes to both, you should report a bug in linux-firmware
[02:41] <Grej> anyone able to help with driver problem ?
[02:41] <classicc> rww?what?
[02:41] <Grej> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10704302#post10704302
[02:42] <Grej> Anyone help with Broadcom STA Wireless Driver, it is shown as "Active but not in use"
[02:42] <kevman> Hm, interesting point about the kernel
[02:43] <comptekki> why is it when i install ubuntu 10.10 then use it for a bit then stick in the cd again and select erase and install from scratch again all the files are there from the first install?
[02:43] <comptekki> to reinstall 10.10
[02:44] <Polah> Comptekki: You aren't formatting it?
[02:44] <comptekki> it looks like it is formatting the ext4 partition again during the reinstall
[02:44] <Polah> Perhaps you have files stored on other partitions that aren't being formatted?
[02:44] <comptekki> home partition?
[02:44] <Polah> yes, for instance
[02:45] <comptekki> i forgot that
[02:45] <comptekki> what about /usr/local?
[02:45] <comptekki> stuff still there
[02:45] <comptekki> and some packages
[02:45] <classicc> (04:41:41) -locobot_1- #ubuntu-il: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!
[02:46] <kj4ohh> hello #ubuntu, trying to install Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 (using 10.10 now)
[02:46] <classicc> ]*=
[02:47] <kj4ohh> have an ATI video card, when I boot the live cd it comes up blank with the monitor light blinking (no signal)
[02:47] <kj4ohh> I've tried using the "nomodeset" option at boot but then I get "Screen(s) found but there was no usable configuration" error messages
[02:48] <classicc> i know what know
[02:48] <classicc> i know what cause
[02:48] <b0yce> anyone here?
[02:48] <KM0201> no
[02:48] <p1und3r> im not
[02:48] <KM0201> 1400 lurkers
[02:49] <cab938_dt> ohsix, does the package linux-image exist anymore?  This might be useful enough for me to just install it instead of a custom kernel
[02:49] <b0yce> is lubuntu supposed to work slow if you have booted off the cd instead of installing it?
[02:49] <cab938_dt> e.g. linux-image-myversiontested
[02:49] <KM0201> b0yce: that really depends more on your system, than anything else.
[02:49] <ohsix> cab938_dt: linux-image is a skeleton package that depends on others
[02:50] <b0yce> lubuntu seems ok. am i able to run windows games in it?
[02:50] <p1und3r> b0yce not easily
[02:50] <dcboratko> can anyone give me some help with installing ubuntu netbook 10.10?
[02:50] <ohsix> cab938_dt: you can crib the old debdiff to build the kernel version you want to stick with; i only suggested building your own because eventually ubuntu will stop building that version, if they haven't already; it'd just be like using the version in the archive
[02:51] <cab938_dt> ohsix, they just don't keep the old kernel version packages around?
[02:51] <b0yce> is there a program like realtek HD audio manager for lubuntu so i can configure my sound?
[02:51] <ohsix> cab938_dt: the same goes for any package really
[02:52] <MattAAron> ohsix: DIAGRAM = demonstrating what I'm trying to do
[02:52] <researcher123> does anybody here know how to save a file in ucf format?
[02:52] <cab938_dt> ohsix, yea, fair enough, I thought they might be different for kernels
[02:52] <cab938_dt> ok, ty again
[02:52] <MattAAron> http://img849.imageshack.us/i/powerrr.png/
[02:52] <classicc> somebody help me?
[02:52] <MattAAron> DIAGRAM: http://img849.imageshack.us/i/powerrr.png/
[02:52] <MattAAron> PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009
[02:52] <MattAAron> CASE: http://www.ttlevel10.com/
[02:52] <FloodBot1> MattAAron: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:53] <classicc> in private
[02:53] <dcboratko> can anybody help me understand how to install ubuntu netbook 10.10 on my eeePC 1005ha
[02:53] <UbuntuN00b> whats the problem dsboratko
[02:53] <p1und3r> anyone know how to get virtual terminals to work with nvidia-current drivers :]
[02:53] <ohsix> MattAAron: yea that's fine, it'll work
[02:53] <dcboratko> i tried using hte utility to put the iso on the flash drive and adjusted the bios for my laptop but it won't boot from teh USB
[02:54] <MattAAron> so there's 4 cables, 1 of those cables is capable of powering 2 hdd's at once?
[02:54] <dcboratko> also i can't open the autorun or anything on the netbook
[02:54] <classicc> ubuntu netbook 10.10 on my eeePC 1005ha?
[02:54] <dcboratko> yes
[02:54] <namzezam> can not use apt-get upgrade !!!! i get "dpkg: ../../src/archives.c:809: tarobject: Assertion `r == stab.st_size' failed."  on  Preparing to replace linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic 2.6.35-28.49 (using .../linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic_2.6.35-28.50_i386.deb) ...
[02:54] <namzezam> Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic ...
[02:54] <MattAAron> this is via splitter i forgot to add
[02:54] <namzezam> dpkg: ../../src/archives.c:809: tarobject: Assertion `r == stab.st_size' failed.
[02:54] <dcboratko> the netbook is currently running eeebuntu
[02:54] <codex84> some good ubuntu
[02:54] <codex84> themes sites
[02:54] <codex84> ?
[02:54] <classicc> where to bring down?
[02:54] <dcboratko> my desktop is windows 7
[02:55] <UbuntuN00b> have you booted things from your usb before?
[02:55] <dcboratko> not this particular usb, no
[02:55] <UbuntuN00b> i mean on the netbook?
[02:56] <UbuntuN00b> its a usb not an sd card correct?
[02:56] <dcboratko> yeah it came with windows xp so i used a USB to install eeebuntu on it
[02:56] <dcboratko> yes it's a flash drive
[02:56] <dcboratko> wheen i put the flash drive in my windows desktop, it acts like its formatted correctly
[02:56] <classicc> ?where to bring down?
[02:57] <dcboratko> and will let me install ubuntu 10.10
[02:57] <dcboratko> but i want it on my netbook not my desktop
[02:57] <namzezam> any one had this? it is about apt-get upgrade!!!  Is this a huge bug or what?
[02:57] <dcboratko> where to bring down what?
[02:57] <ohsix> namzezam: did you disable signature checking? you have a corrupt file but something else should have stopped it before then ....
[02:58] <namzezam> ohsix:  disable signature checking?  what is that? how could i do that ?
[02:58] <UbuntuN00b> imaybe trying downloading sardu
[02:58] <UbuntuN00b> and building the usb stick that way
[02:58] <Aiya> I want to know when I looked at the release of ubuntu 11.04 for netbook edition its stated as "starting with Ubuntu 11.04 the netbook edition has been merged into the desktop edition."
[02:58] <classicc> i downlad in google..4%
[02:59] <namzezam> it is already someday and i see also this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/03/%23ubuntu-devel.txt
[02:59] <ohsix> namzezam: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:59] <Aiya> What is that mean?
[02:59] <kkerwin> Howdy. I'm trying to get a CD mounted, and am having some difficulty. When I do a "mount /dev/cdrom", it's telling me that "/dev/sr0" is an unknown device. I have a disk in there.
[02:59] <ohsix> Aiya: it means the netbook edition is no longer a special, separate disc
[02:59] <rww> Aiya: There is no more netbook edition in natty. Instead, the desktop interface adapts to different screen sizes.
[02:59] <classicc> what is ubuntu?
[02:59] <ohsix> Aiya: unity works a lot like the old netbook setup, except it's the main focus and on the primary disk
[03:00] <rww> !ubuntu | classicc
[03:00] <namzezam> ubuntu 10.10 linux 2.6.35-28 gnom 2.32.0
[03:00] <MattAAron> thx ohsix, whats your email addy!
[03:00] <MattAAron> for paypal
[03:00] <Aiya> ohsix : That means after this users will have to install desktop version is it?
[03:01] <ohsix> Aiya: no, they are combined, and you can pick unity or the regular gnome session at login time
 Okey
[03:01] <ohsix> Aiya: not unlike how you could still pick ubuntu-desktop on the netbook edition
[03:01] <Aiya> ohsix : Thanks got it. :)
[03:01] <Adam_> hello
[03:01] <Osmodivs> How do I acces Wine C: disk? I want to run a .exe file but i do not know how to get there   osmodivs@Djiin:~$ cd /home/osmodivs/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Archivos de programa/Adobe/Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 3.3
[03:01] <Osmodivs> bash: cd: /home/osmodivs/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Archivos: No such file or directory
[03:01] <dcboratko> what is the easiest way for me to install ubuntu netbook 10.10 on my netbook if the ubuntu netbook 10.10 ISO is on my desktop on my netbook
[03:02] <classicc> ok..t..i need to downlad this?
[03:02] <Adam_> who now everythink about irc
[03:02] <Adam_> ????
[03:02] <KM0201> dcboratko: use unetbootin to put it on a usb key, and boot the usb
[03:02] <namzezam> now i get "sudo dpkg --configure -a' " after new apt-get update
[03:02] <kkerwin> Osmodivs: Have you tried browsing ~/.wine ??
[03:03] <Nahjil> Anyone well versed in troubleshooting firefox? I'm having issues with it continually accessing my hd till it freezes then I have to force quit. Any suggestions?
[03:03] <kkerwin> Osmodivs: It should be ~/.wine/drive_c I think.
[03:03] <Nahjil> pm me if you can help.
[03:03] <Nahjil> thank you
[03:04] <namzezam> ohsix : i did  "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:04] <kkerwin> Howdy. I'm trying to get a CD mounted, and am having some difficulty. When I do a "mount /dev/cdrom", it's telling me that "/dev/sr0" is an unknown device. I have a disk in there. Thanks in advance. ;-)
[03:04] <classicc> 17%...is very very slow..what is this?umdudu?
[03:05] <classicc> ubuntu?
[03:05] <kkerwin> I smell a troll ...
[03:06] <namzezam> on upgrade , i get :
[03:06] <namzezam> 50 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:06] <namzezam> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[03:06] <hiexpo> kkerwin, sudo mount /media/cdrom
[03:06] <Staticlv> if I mount a network folder ... where in the directory can I find it?
[03:06] <Osmodivs> kkerwin:  Yeah, it worked, I had to cd .wine
[03:07] <namzezam> ohsix : are you here?
[03:07] <kkerwin> hiexpo: "mount: /dev/sr0 already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[03:07] <kkerwin> "
[03:07] <classicc>  #ubuntu
[03:07] <kkerwin> hiexpo: I am not in /media/cdrom
[03:07] <classicc> #ubuntu
[03:08] <kkerwin> Osmodivs: Good. Glad to help.
[03:08] <hiexpo> kkerwin, than cnat you open it
[03:08] <classicc> what is this?speech hebrew please
[03:08] <kkerwin> hiexpo: Pardon?
[03:09] <hiexpo> kkerwin, if you say it is already mounted than open the folder is that what you are trying to do
[03:09] <rww> classicc: /join #ubuntu-il
[03:10] <kkerwin> hiexpo: The "mount" command does not list the device /dev/sr0 as being mounted somewhere, however.
[03:11] <classicc> !!!someone told me ...dowanlad ubuntu..!!!
[03:11] <hiexpo> kkerwin, yes it is telling you it is mounted open /places/computer and open the cd rom
[03:11] <classicc> ubuntu is chanells?
[03:11] <classicc> channels*
[03:12] <hiexpo> classicc, no ubuntu is a linux distro
[03:12] <kkerwin> hiexpo: I'm using KDE, but the cdrom does not show up as a device on the "places" in dolphin file manager.
[03:13] <Admin__> hi all i have ubuntu server installed and i need any tool for monitor network  my client are windows and xp
[03:13] <rumpe1> Adam_, monitor what exactly?
[03:13] <hiexpo> kkerwin, oh i am not familar with kde  sorry bout that i use gnome and enlightment
[03:13] <classicc> what is linux distro??
[03:13] <Rehan> Could someone help me with bootloader issues that I'm having with Win7 and Ubuntu dual-boot setup? Thank you.
[03:14] <hiexpo> !linux | classicc
[03:14] <kkerwin> hiexpo: Well, the disc seems to not be detected is what I'm getting at ...
[03:15] <Admin__> rumpel1 band width from my net
[03:15] <xhot> is my test
[03:16] <hiexpo> kkerwin, yes it is i know kde is wierd
[03:16] <xhot> Hello everybody can you see me?
[03:16] <namzezam> any one here can tell what is happening with linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic 2.6.35-28.49  ???
[03:16] <kkerwin> xhot: Yes.
[03:16] <classicc> evryone speech hebrew?
[03:16] <kkerwin> !hebrew
[03:17] <xhot> 有人吗？
[03:17] <kkerwin> !hebrew | classicc
[03:17] <rww> xhot: English here, please
[03:17] <Rehan> Could anyone help me with bootloader problems? This is my boot info summary: http://pastebin.com/y4jP2gfb
[03:17] <xhot> only a test
[03:17] <namzezam> what is happening with linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic 2.6.35-28.49 ??
[03:17] <classicc> yesh po misho she yodea evrit?
[03:17] <gootdude> is there seriously no way to remove evolution (literally the worst email client I've ever seen) from ubuntu without having gnome getting screwed up?
[03:18] <gootdude> at least using the simple apt-get to remove evolution causes fun gnome items to be removed so you get to login to a terminal
[03:18] <rww> gootdude: evolution-data-server is a GNOME library and not really part of evolution at all.
[03:18] <gootdude> tricky
[03:18] <Admin__> hi all i have ubuntu server installed and i need any tool for monitor network  my client are windows and xp
[03:18] <taco_the_paco> im getting extremely slow download speeds with 2.6.38-8-generic, the driver is ath9k
[03:18] <rww> gootdude: with the exception of that, anything with "evolution" in the name should be removable without any rocket science, if I remember correctly.
[03:18] <taco_the_paco> anyone care to help,?
[03:19] <phoenixsampras> Admin__:  opennms
[03:19] <namzezam> what is happening with linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic 2.6.35-28.49 ? why it fail on "dpkg: ../../src/archives.c:809: tarobject: Assertion `r == stab.st_size' failed." ?
[03:19] <Adam_> HI PEOPLE
[03:19] <rumpe1> Admin__, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/140337-command-line-bandwidth-monitoring-tools.html   ... just google
[03:19] <rileyp> hi
[03:20] <Adam_> SOME ONE HERE ARE GOOD ABOUT IRC?
[03:20] <hvgotcodes> trying to write an upstart .conf file -- how do i get the exec to occur in a directory?
[03:20] <Admin__> phoenixsampras: but with it tool i haven't problem with my client
[03:20] <rww> Admin__: lose the caps, please.
[03:20] <rileyp> adam caps off
[03:20] <hvgotcodes> in other words, how do i not have to fully reference the executable
[03:20] <Admin__> they are windows 7 and xp
[03:20] <rww> eep, mistab. sorry Admin__.
[03:20] <Adam_> ok
[03:20] <phoenixsampras> Admin__: opennms
[03:20] <Adam_> we heave problem
[03:20] <kkerwin> hiexpo: Ok. Now on my "$ sudo mount /media/cdrom", I get "no medium found". I'm wondering if there's a problem with my drive ...
[03:21] <rileyp> housten ther is a problem
[03:21] <namzezam> what is happening with linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic 2.6.35-28.49 ? why it fail on "dpkg: ../../src/archives.c:809: tarobject: Assertion `r == stab.st_size' failed." ? can  you help in  apt-get upgrade ?  on ubuntu 10.10?
[03:21] <itilious> if i can ssh into my remote machine by its public IP and not by its private IP then my system is most likely been hacked right?
[03:22] <kkerwin> hiexpo: Ya. It's clicking and making beeping noises ... dammit.
[03:22] <Adam_> no problem heave we are all people
[03:22] <rileyp> adam people put ther problem here you dont need to tell us you have problem
[03:22] <itilious> i dont see any other explanation why the WAN ip address works but not my router IP static assigned ip lol
[03:22] <Rehan> After the latest kernel update I am unable to load into Windows7 anymore.  I am trying to re-install Grub2 but am not sure which partition I need to install it on. Could anyone help please?
[03:22] <rumpe1> itilious, what do you mean with "private IP"?
[03:22] <rileyp> no! you are wrong ubottto is a bot!
[03:23] <Adam_> i looking for forum about start fighting to this people who sprayin right now sky at the night in liverpool city
[03:23] <itilious> 192.168.5.X does 'not' work and 12.24.X.X 'does'
[03:23] <Adam_> chemtrials
[03:23] <phoenixsampras> nah, Ubuttto is a sexy chick
[03:23] <namzezam> how to upgrade all other 49 programs, other then  the "linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic 2.6.35-28.49 "?
[03:23] <Rehan> rileyp: could you assist me?
[03:23] <Adam_> global warming??
[03:23] <itilious> rumpe1, 192.168.5.X has been working without any issues since the assignment of the static ip
[03:23] <rileyp> IDK
[03:23] <rileyp> ask away
[03:23] <itilious> rumpe1,  i also have had no issues with public ip from ISP working either
[03:23] <Rehan> After the latest kernel update I am unable to load into Windows7 anymore.  I am trying to re-install Grub2 but am not sure which partition I need to install it on. Could anyone help please?
[03:24] <namzezam> anyone here?
[03:24] <gootdude> omg whoever was talking about WebStorm being amazing is seriusly right
[03:24] <Adam_> but  at the night is not sun
[03:24] <itilious> rumpe1, know what i mean by private  vs public?
[03:24] <rww> !ot | Adam_
[03:24] <gootdude> it actually is code completing and searching all the fiels in my project and understands dojo/jquery 1.5 insane
[03:24] <rumpe1> itilious, yes... but no idea,what the problem could be...
[03:24] <Adam_> how to find  right channel?
[03:24] <namzezam> please help, it is about the kernal of linux!!!
[03:24] <rileyp> Rehan type sudo fdisk -l this will list your partitions
[03:24] <rww> Adam_: type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:24] <gootdude> webstorm
[03:24] <rww> !helpme | namzezam
[03:25] <coi> does ubuntu 10.10 have vmware in the repository?
[03:25] <rumpe1> itilious, firewall deactivated?
[03:25] <Adam_> i try thanks
[03:25] <edbian> coi: I think it only has virtualbox.  vmware costs $
[03:25] <Adam_>  type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:26] <Rehan> rileyp: thank you, I have /dev/sda1 which is win7 system reserve, i have /dev/sda2 which is win7 system partition, i have /dev/sda3 which is extended and /dev/sda5 which is ubuntu. When I'm installing grub2, it gives me option of either /dev/sda or /dev/sda5.
[03:26] <rileyp> dev sda
[03:27] <Rehan>  rileyp thank you
[03:27] <deathcat23> how i change my login screen background
[03:27] <Rehan> rileyp: after updating ubuntu thru update manager my Windows no longer boots and gives BOOTMGR is missing.  What could I do to fix that?
[03:27] <rileyp> Rehan you may need to run sudo update-grup for windows to be added to your grub list
[03:28] <rileyp> thats grub my bad....
[03:28] <Rehan> rileyp: windows was added automatically
[03:28] <Rehan> rileyp: the problem is when i go into windows from grub2 it says the bootmgr is missing now. Not sure why a simple ubuntu update caused that to happen
[03:28] <rileyp> so windows starts to boot them dies?
[03:29] <Rehan> rileyp: yep, this is my boot info summary: http://pastebin.com/CigFER4z
[03:30] <rileyp> Rehan to fix this you may need to start windows and go to a command line then type fixboot
[03:30] <ohsix> Rehan: it probably didn't
[03:30] <ohsix> ("
[03:31] <ohsix> "update caused that to happen", that is
[03:31] <Rehan> ohsix: oh i see
[03:31] <axisys> my disk is 750G and I am using about 550G .. if I image the system w/ partimage will it roughly be same size as the total disk size or used size ?
[03:31] <rileyp> Rehan  I think what has happened is soem of the winowds boot files have been overwritten by ytour new grub install
[03:32] <Rehan> rileyp: i see, when i tried my win7 recovery DVD it found no booting problems, i suppose i can try it again because when i first tried it win7 was simply missing from grub2, now it shows the bootmgr is missing error
[03:32] <rileyp> you need to be very clear about where to install grub before doing an upgrade of kernel else you can damage stuff
[03:32] <shane4ubuntu> does anyone know how I can run a script as root when I log in?  I was going to put it in startup inid.d, but that seems to complex, I just have a simple sudo command to start dund, and can be run upon login, how do I do that?
[03:32] <rileyp> use rc.local
[03:33] <Rehan> rileyp: will this happen everytime i install a kernel upgrade if my grub is on the MBR instead of the ubuntu partition?
[03:33] <shane4ubuntu> rileyp: rc.local?  is there an advantage?
[03:33] <shiv__> hi
[03:33] <Jygen> anyone here familiar with python
[03:33] <Jygen> im having trouble getting my .py files to run off the terminal
[03:34] <Jygen> it says error2 no files or directories detected or something like that
[03:34] <rileyp> shane4ubuntu,  I dont know I just know rc.local can be use to call a script ort simply put the script in rc.local
[03:34] <shane4ubuntu> rileyp: ahh, I just had a peek into that file, seems simple. Thanks, I think that was just what I was looking for.
[03:35] <dany>
[03:35] <classicc> I am using S{peed}EX-B0T v5.7 Get It At http://SpeedBot.up.co.il By Speed & Atom-Bomb
[03:35] <classicc> hey
[03:36] <rww> classicc: Your script did that announce thing again. The next time I see that, you get banned until you turn it off.
[03:36] <rileyp> Rehan everytime one does a kernel upgrade grub is edited and it it asks where to install it you should write it down somewhere so you know the answer.
[03:36] <Jygen> how do i create a directory
[03:37] <rileyp> mkdir
[03:37] <classicc> offffff...what to do??
[03:37] <ohsix> right click
[03:37] <edbian> Jygen: mkdir
[03:37] <classicc> rww????what i work??????/////
[03:37] <ohsix> rww: he cannot see those messages being sent
[03:37] <Jygen> what about listing a directory
[03:37] <rww> ohsix: Good thing I'm telling them they're there, then.
[03:37] <itilious> is sshfs still current for remote file transfer?
[03:37] <edbian> Jygen: really? ls
[03:38] <itilious> or is sftp a better option?
[03:38] <ohsix> classicc: the script you are using is advertising: 19:35 < classicc> I am using S{peed}EX-B0T v5.7 Get It At http://SpeedBot.up.co.il By Speed & Atom-Bomb
[03:38] <rileyp> LS
[03:38] <itilious> in terms of performance as well as security?
[03:38] <CryptKper> new gdm themes, how do i install them?
[03:38] <ohsix> rww: yea, best to say what it is though :D
[03:38] <rileyp> Jygen,  you are lazy
[03:38] <rww> ohsix: I'm not a huge fan of repeating spam, personally.
[03:38] <edbian> itilious: They're probably about the same in both is my guess
[03:38] <Jygen> its nice to have a quick response rather than have to look for it
[03:38] <classicc> ok..speedbot..is problme?....
[03:38] <edbian> itilious: equally secure and fast
[03:39] <ohsix> rww: it's repeating what he's said; shrug, he's not seen it before
[03:39] <Jygen> and im completely new to ubuntu and having actual people comunicate things to me makes me learn faster
[03:39] <edbian> Jygen: haha.  Are you coming from dos or something?
[03:39] <MjolnirOrion> whats the difference between live gnome and live kde?
[03:39] <ohsix> Jygen: sleeping makes you learn faster :]
[03:40] <MjolnirOrion> im probably on the same boat as Jygen
[03:40] <rileyp> Jygen,  yeah right read this page instaed of this page http://www.ma.utexas.edu/math-lab/linux.html
[03:40] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: The graphical user interface.  It will be a very big difference visually but lower level than the GUI there is no difference.  Google image search gnome and kde to get a good idea of what they look like
[03:40] <classicc> rww: speedbot is problme?...=@
[03:40] <rww> classicc: Yes.
[03:40] <rileyp> jy lazy
[03:40] <classicc> rww: why?
[03:40] <ohsix> classicc: only that it is advertising on the channel every time you join
[03:41] <MjolnirOrion> will do thanks edbian
[03:41] <ohsix> classicc: you can't see it, but everyone else can
[03:41] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: :)
[03:41] <rww> classicc: because it sends messages to the channel which violates Ubuntu's IRC Guidelines, as I have said to you repeatedly now.
[03:42] <classicc> i go to well? what i whont to do?
[03:42] <classicc> speedbot=mirc
[03:42] <rww> classicc: No, speedbot does not equal mIRC.
[03:42] <classicc> what??
[03:42] <rww> classicc: No, speedbot does not equal mIRC.
[03:42] <classicc> speedbot script of the mirc
[03:43] <rww> classicc: speedbot is a bad script of the mirc that you will remove if you wish to remain in this channel.
[03:43] <ohsix> rww: actually, most popular scripts bundle a copy of mirc, not quite legally
[03:43] <leapy0yo> hi
[03:43] <rww> ohsix: I am aware.
[03:43] <classicc> ok ok..i go
[03:43] <classicc> ]]=
[03:43] <leapy0yo> is there a way i can start xchat when I login to ubuntu without having to click on the icon?
[03:44] <edbian> leapy0yo: At it to the list of stuff on System -> preferences -> startup apps
[03:44] <ohsix> leapy0yo: add it to your startup programs (System -> Preferences)
[03:44] <classicc> i not make nothing
[03:44] <classicc> good by
[03:44] <edbian> ohsix: I win!
[03:44] <ohsix> edbian: i eat
[03:44] <taco_the_paco> hey guys, trying to compile compact wireless drivers for 2.6.38-8-generic,  but keep getting make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[03:44] <classicc> bye*
[03:45] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: why are you trying to build wireless drivers?
[03:45] <taco_the_paco> ohsix, these ones i get extremely slow download speeds.
[03:45] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: which one
[03:45] <taco_the_paco> the one's that are in 2.6.38-8 o_O
[03:46] <MjolnirOrion> edbian: looked em up, only got one image though of gnome where it looks like its got that apple feeling toolbar... just because its one image idk if its like that or not.. (http://mib.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2010.0/others/projects/miblive-gnome/Schermata1.png)
[03:46] <CryptKper> gdmsetup doesnt give me the option to add new gdm themes, is there an alt method?
[03:46] <hiexpo> whatwifi card
[03:46] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: ^
[03:46] <taco_the_paco> er, no idea how to check on linux, i know it uses the ath9k driver
[03:46] <clu3> my ubuntu has been getting very very slow and yet when i do a top, there's nothing interesting. Any reasons why?
[03:47] <ohsix> CryptKper: theme support was removed some time ago, at best you can change the background and move some things around with great effort
[03:47] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: ubuntu uses gnome by default.  Here is what it looks like: http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1010beta-large_001.jpg
[03:47] <classicc> rww?...now is good???no speedbot!!
[03:47] <Blue1> taco_the_paco: http://pkill-9.com/?p=152  i had a similiar issue
[03:47] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: http://apcmag.com/images/ubuntu10_625.jpg
[03:47] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: there are prebuilt backport drivers you can install, they're in the repos
[03:47] <rww> classicc: yes, now is good. thank you :)
[03:47] <CryptKper> thanks.
[03:47] <ohsix> classicc: thank you for fixing it
[03:47] <classicc> =]
[03:47] <hiexpo> sounds like an aircrack-ng build to me
[03:47] <classicc> now is ugly mirc..]=
[03:47] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: That image you found is gnome but it is heavily modified with some applet thing running and a different dock
[03:48] <classicc> i go to sleep..good mornning..
[03:49] <MjolnirOrion> i see... hhmmm idk the only reason why its a factor is because im very visual
[03:49] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: understandable
[03:49] <classicc> rww: good bye =]
[03:51] <unstable> I have dual screens, my laptop is on the right, and another monitor is on the left. So this unity vertical bar thing is very awkwardly in the middle. Any advice on how I can make this setup less clunky?
[03:54] <anthony_> hello
[03:54] <MjolnirOrion> edbian: and the winner is kde
[03:55] <edbian> MjolnirOrion: It is prettier :)
[03:55] <MjolnirOrion> now i got to "sample" kubuntu... i just downloaded opensuse kde in a rar file. im brand spankin new to linux... suggestions?
[03:56] <taco_the_paco> ohsix, i think its fixed
[03:56] <Ben64> MjolnirOrion: what are you trying to do?
[03:56] <Poisonfibre> ...follow the white rabbit
[03:56] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: class
[03:56] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: go lart the person that told you to build modules
[03:56] <MjolnirOrion> ben64: convert myself from windows to linux
[03:56] <taco_the_paco> yup its fixed :)
[03:56] <arand> MjolnirOrion: opensuse does not come as a rar file..
[03:56] <taco_the_paco> haha it was my idea
[03:57] <ohsix> 40 lashes
[03:57] <Ben64> MjolnirOrion: ok, what are you trying to do more specifically?
[03:57] <itilious> does ubuntu 10.10 come with ssh access by default? or is openssh server required to use ssh?
[03:57] <MjolnirOrion> arand: its in a rar file.. i got it from here (http://software.opensuse.org/114/en)
[03:57] <Ben64> itilious: openssh-server is required to have a ssh server running, not sure if its on 10.10 by default
[03:57] <Poisonfibre> its not
[03:58] <Poisonfibre> you need to apt-get the program
[03:58] <Poisonfibre> or openssh
[03:58] <Ben64> MjolnirOrion: this channel is for ubuntu only
[03:58] <eick> can somebody help me install google chrome?
[03:58] <MjolnirOrion> ben64: install it into this current computer
[03:58] <itilious> then can ubuntu automatically see which "port" number to use on the remote machine if i'm using certificates?
[03:58] <ohsix> itilious: i think it only came with the ssh client; i haven't ran 10.10 in a while though
[03:58] <eick> ubuntu software manger keeps on telling me to check my internet connection
[03:58] <eick> does anybody know what this means?
[03:58] <MjolnirOrion> ben64: :(
[03:58] <itilious> i changed the port by editing "etc/ssh/ssh_config" then ran "sudo service ssh restart" and its still connected just fine on default port
[03:58] <Ben64> MjolnirOrion: don't be :( ubuntu is really good
[03:59] <Usipeus> guys, I have grub installed on the mbr and accidentally also on my windows 7 partition, how would I go about removing the windows 7 one?
[03:59] <Ben64> itilious: if a connection is still open on the default port, it will stay open until all the clients leave that port
[04:00] <Ben64> Usipeus: it wouldn't hurt anything to leave it on a partition
[04:00] <Stryker> Is it possible that my computer could slow down due to installing an extra harddrive?
[04:00] <MjolnirOrion> ben64: your talking to a microsoft-brainwashee!! i want linux now... but the whole distro thing.. i feel like its a lot of trial and error
[04:00] <Ben64> MjolnirOrion: download ubuntu cd, burn, install, be :)
[04:00] <Usipeus> ben64: but when I boot windows then i just get "GRUB" in the top left corner and nothing happens
[04:00] <Ben64> Usipeus: oh...
[04:00] <itilious> Ben64, but i even ran "sudo reboot" from my local terminal and the remote machine, after restarting, is still acceping connections on that port
[04:01] <Ben64> Usipeus: you'd have to fixmbr in windows, then re-install grub onto the mbr
[04:01] <MjolnirOrion> ben64: lol and did you try other distros?
[04:01] <Ben64> itilious: then perhaps you didn't change the port correctly
[04:01] <Stryker> Is it possible that my computer could slow down due to installing an extra harddrive?
[04:01] <Ben64> MjolnirOrion: i've used redhat and fedora before coming to ubuntu
[04:02] <Delerium_> itilious: ssh_config = client.  sshd_config = serer
[04:02] <Ben64> Stryker: if the bandwidth of the hard drive interface is being saturated by the 2nd hard drive, it could
[04:02] <talinsalway> general support question: I've been getting frequent crashes of the desktop env. with 'i915_hangcheck_elapsed'. any hints on debugging, or what info to collect for a bug report?
[04:03] <Stryker> Ben64 ever since installing another hard drive on a different cable, my video playback seems to be crummy
[04:04] <taco_the_paco> ohsix i take that back, its still not fixed :'(
[04:04] <yudi1> need to change swap from a partition to a file in either home partition or / partition? how do I do this?
[04:05] <itilious> Delerium_, thats exactly what i was looking for to fix it, thanks :)
[04:05] <ohsix> taco_the_paco: ath9k is kind of iffy with some of the device, dunno if theres much you can do
[04:05] <taco_the_paco> it keeps showing it dropping down to 54 mbps then 65
[04:05] <Delerium_> itilious: welcome buddy
[04:05] <eick> Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
[04:05] <eick> What does this mean?
[04:05] <taco_the_paco> eick, 64 bit?
[04:05] <Ben64> yudi1: i don't think you can make swap a file.. why would you want to?
[04:05] <itilious> you too Ben64, thanks for the help :)
[04:06] <eick> im on 32 bit
[04:06] <eick> or im supposed to be anyway
[04:06] <taco_the_paco> most likely downloaded a 64 bit package then
[04:06] <Stryker> ever since installing another hard drive on a different cable, my video playback seems to be crummy
[04:07] <eick> ah
[04:07] <Ben64> eick: what are you trying to do? what is the output of `uname -m`
[04:07] <eick> i am trying to install google chrome
[04:07] <itilious> what does the command ssh -X actually doing? can it forward ANY application thru this?
[04:08] <eick> x86_64
[04:08] <Raikia> itilious: it is X11 forwarding
[04:08] <Raikia> you can stream a gui application through ssh that way
[04:09] <yudi1> Ben64: swap can be a file, I have it on one of the systems, i just want to know how to safely move a swap partition to a file in the install some where, sick of too many partitions, there used to be an excellent doco on this, cannot find it now!!
[04:09] <eick> Ben64 I am supposed to be on 32 bit
[04:09] <eick> is there anyway to change it
[04:09] <eick> :/
[04:09] <Ben64> eick: you're on 64 bit, why would you want to be 32?
[04:09] <itilious> so x11 forwarding is the topic i need to search to find more possibilities of this?
[04:09] <Raikia> for example, you can run firefox (gui) through X11.  Granted.....an ssh tunnel is faster in this instance, but its just an example
[04:09] <Raikia> itilious: yes
[04:09] <itilious> i love it
[04:10] <eick> because my pc is a 32 bit pc
[04:10] <Ben64> yudi1: swap is on a separate partition for a good reason
[04:10] <itilious> this = remote gedits = no vi editor = awesome :)
[04:10] <Ben64> eick: no its not :o
[04:10] <eick> it is
 x86_64
[04:10] <Ben64> its 64 bit
[04:10] <yudi1> Ben64: what would that be?
[04:10] <eick> the OS is
[04:10] <eick> not my PC
[04:10] <itilious> i'm still learning vi simply cuz i'm sure its a good skill to have, or are those days gone?
[04:10] <Stryker> ever since installing another hard drive on a different cable, my video playback seems to be crummy, is this a coincidence?
[04:10] <Delerium_> FYI: is it possible ( I think) to make a file on a filesystem part of swap ... of course, this will impact performance: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How%20do%20I%20add%20more%20swap?
[04:10] <ctmjr> itilious, add -c too it too compress it you will not be able to play vidoes or anything like that
[04:10] <Raikia> eick: You can't run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit system
[04:10] <Ben64> yudi1: stop fragmentation on a normal partition
[04:10] <eick> tell that to my PC
[04:11] <eick> :/
[04:11] <eick> 512 mbs of RMA
[04:11] <Ben64> eick: you're running 64 bit, your computer MUST be 64 bit
[04:11] <eick> RAM* lol
[04:11] <Ben64> ram doesn't matter
[04:11] <eick> nope
[04:11] <FloodBot2> eick: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:11] <Raikia> eick: 512 MB of RAM doesn't matter.
[04:11] <eick> on vista it said 32-bit
[04:11] <Ben64> cause it was 32 bit vista
[04:11] <eick> even the hardware says 32-bit :X
[04:11] <raido> eick: what does "uname -a" on the terminal say?
[04:11] <yudi1> Ben64: I have 4 gb ram, I hardly see any use for swap except for when I run couple of VMs
[04:11] <Stryker> 32 bit vista can work on 64 bit processor
[04:12] <Raikia> eick: Go to "System" -> "Administration" -> "System Moniter"
[04:12] <eick> I have a celeron D processor
[04:12] <eick> XDD
[04:12] <itilious> ctmjr, i thought -c was for the "cypher" is that -C actually?
[04:13] <Ben64> eick: a 64 bit celeron :)
[04:13] <Raikia> eick: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/celeron/index.htm
[04:13] <ctmjr> itilious, yep sorry typo should be capital "C"
[04:14] <itilious> so Capital = compression and lowercase = cypher? ie blowfish?
[04:14] <Delerium_> itililous: man ssh ;)
[04:14] <Delerium_> Sorry, I completly mess your nick
[04:15] <itilious> Delerium_, ya made it sound more fun lol
[04:15] <itilious> ctmjr,  i wasnt trying to sarcastictly rub in your face that i knew something you didnt, cuz that was luck lol
[04:15] <itilious> i never knew what -C -c meant, i thought encryption seeing 'blowfish' after it so took a guess :p
[04:16] <itilious> Delerium_, what about specifically ssh?
[04:16] <ctmjr> itilious, no prob it's good you knew that
[04:16] <itilious> is it really as secure as everyone seems to make it out to be?
[04:16] <Stryker> Delerium_, you should be able to press tab while partially spelling a nick to auto complete it
[04:16] <Ben64> ssh can be extremely secure
[04:17] <Delerium_> Stryker: yeah... I'm using X-chat on MBP and it's not by default.. I have to check
[04:17] <Delerium_> Stryker, got it ;)
[04:17] <Stryker> cool, Delerium_
[04:18] <itilious> ya i started talking on IRC quite a bit more once i learned about the tab feature
[04:18] <itilious> helped with a lot more 1on1 dialogue
[04:18] <rhizmoe> how do i change the location of the notification popups?
[04:19] <Stryker> i agree, itilious
[04:20] <itilious> so many people with such unique names lol, made it so much easier
[04:20] <KM0201> itilious: how did you ever do IRC, in a busy channel, and not know about Tab? ;)
[04:21] <Stryker> ever since installing another hard drive on a different cable, my video playback seems to be crummy, is this a coincidence?
[04:21] <KM0201> itilious: i bet you watched some folks who were dishing out messages super quick and thinking 'how on earth do they type those names so fast'...lol
[04:21] <itilious> KM0201, used to thnk that lol
[04:21] <KM0201> :)
[04:22] <itilious> KM0201, then discovered it and it all made sense, then and only then did i even attempt participating in the busy channels lol
[04:22] <KM0201> itilious: well i'm glad you found it
[04:22] <talinsalway> general support question: I've been getting frequent crashes of the desktop env. with 'i915_hangcheck_elapsed'. I opened up a bug awhile ago (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/682475). What's a good place to start for debugging, or trying to hack out a fix?
[04:23] <escoloader> hey, will one be able to update from netbook edition 10.10 to natty final release through sudo?
[04:23] <darkf34r> hi
[04:24] <darkf34r> there's anyone from Brazil?
[04:25] <itilious> why would my ftp program be asking me if i want to accept a potentially untrsted key from my server?
[04:25] <rhizmoe> talinsalway: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/761065
[04:25] <eliotn> lol
[04:25] <itilious> i already did the ssh-keygen on host and installed it to the server using ssh-copy-id
[04:25] <eliotn> 1423 users?!?!?!?
[04:25] <eliotn> so many
[04:26] <itilious> and i can cow simply type in my passphrase to have login-less ssh access, but when i try to use ftp client to the host machine it asks if i want to accept a certificate, anyone know why?
[04:26] <rhizmoe> ssh...ftp?
[04:26] <itilious> sftp
[04:27] <rhizmoe> maybe you're really connecting as sftp
[04:27] <Stryker> escoloader, try update-manager -d
[04:27] <itilious> using the same port i use for ssh access
[04:27] <itilious> its asking me if i want to "trust" the key, is it right to ask this even after i created keys via the openssh guide on ubuntu help
[04:28] <raido> itilious: ys
[04:28] <disorient>  /j #reddit
[04:28] <raido> itilious: yes
[04:28] <disorient> sorry.
[04:28] <rhizmoe> connecting clients will always ask to cache the pubkey
[04:28] <rhizmoe> same as ssh
[04:28] <itilious> raido, how can i know that i'm actually connecting to the host i want to tho?
[04:28] <itilious> or is this different that simple ssh key setup?
[04:29] <talinsalway> rhizome: I think my bug is different - I don't have the 'blt ring idle' message, and it results in a complete crash of X (and inability to restart X), instead of little graphic hangups
[04:29] <raido> your ftp client is just keeping its own known host file likely
[04:29] <talinsalway> also, I'm not using compiz
[04:30] <raido> itilious: once you accept it it should not ask again
[04:30] <escoloader> stryker, im wondering now before i install netbook 10.10 on my netbook
[04:30] <itilious> raido, so then its normal to see this with seperate applications? is the fingerprint what i'm supposed to be verifying?
[04:30] <escoloader> just wondering if that will be supported
[04:30] <HerCury> itilious: shouldn't you be using scp not sftp
[04:30] <escoloader> (i assume it will, just double checking)
[04:30] <raido> itilious: yes
[04:30] <itilious> HerCury, whats the advantage?
[04:30] <itilious> raido, sorry bout that last obvious question, it hit me as i was pressing enter lol
[04:31] <Stryker> yes you can escoloader
[04:31] <escoloader> thanks
[04:31] <raido> itilious: also, if you want real convienience then remove your passphrese from your key, then you can login in non-interactively
[04:31] <itilious> HerCury, sorry i'm completely new to linux, i dont even know what scp even is
[04:31] <itilious> raido, would that compromise my entire system tho if anyone simply gets a hold of the key files?
[04:32] <Delerium_> itilious, yup, that's why you must keep the private key... private ;)
[04:32] <raido> itilious: Yes, if you lose your private key
[04:33] <itilious> when you say private do you mean not even on the system?
[04:33] <raido> itilious: if I lose my private ssh key all I have to do is remove my pub keys from the servers that they are installed in
[04:33] <itilious> as in i should be keeping it on a jump drive some where?
[04:33] <HerCury> itilious: secure copy
[04:34] <raido> itilious: the priv key is on the client side, the pub on the server side, they both reside in ~/.ssh
[04:34] <c0dege3k> ive got a problem- im using compiz/emerald and bout a min after i log in, the compiz theme resets to the ugly gray thing.
[04:34] <raido> itilious: you copied your pub key to the server
[04:34] <c0dege3k> I know this is a well documented problem, but none of the solutions ive seen have worked so far. Any help?
[04:34] <the-erm1> When I ssh into my machine it says there are 18 packages that can be updated, I apt-get update & upgrade nothing happens I even ssh -X in and run update-manager bottom line How do you get the list of packages that need to be installed?
[04:34] <the-erm1> or a "held back" list
[04:35] <itilious> raido, doesnt the key need to stay in .ssh folder tho to be used by ubuntu tho?
[04:35] <raido> the-erm1: just issue sudo apt-get upgrade and it will give you the list to be upgraded
[04:35] <the-erm1> I probably wouldn't be so paranoid about it if it weren't for 13 of the packages being security updates.
[04:35] <the-erm1> I don't think so radio.
[04:35] <the-erm1> I'll try it though.
[04:36] <raido> the-erm1: it will
[04:36] <kindofabuzz> what are the default permissions for folders in ~?
[04:36] <the-erm1> Like I said when I update/upgrade it doesn't.
[04:36] <the-erm1> I can pastebin it if you'd like.
[04:36] <raido> the-erm1: just issue apt-get upgrade
[04:37] <the-erm1> radio take a look http://pastebin.ca/2049207
[04:37] <raido> itilious: the keys can be used on any sustem you want, they are not distro dependant
[04:37] <the-erm1> seriously.
[04:37] <the-erm1> It's weird.
[04:37] <itilious> as in does the id_rsa key need to be in the ~/.ssh/ directory so that the client can use it to authenticate with the openssh host?
[04:37] <Rehan> rileyp: I got win7 working again with easyBCD bootloader
[04:38] <the-erm1> usually I can apt-get install kernal-headers or whatever the name of the packages that are "held back" and it installs them I reboot the server and i'm good to go.
[04:39] <Rehan> rileyp: now when i boot i get the easyBCD boot menu and if I hit windows, it loads fine. However if I load ubuntu and hold down SHIFT menu to get grub, and choose Windows, I still get the bootmgr is missing error
[04:39] <raido> itilious: you have a stale /etc/motd.tail file... do"sudo cat/dev/null > /etc/motd.tail" then log out and back in agian, your all set
[04:39] <raido> the-erm1: you have a stale /etc/motd.tail file... do"sudo cat/dev/null > /etc/motd.tail" then log out and back in agian, your all set
[04:39] <raido> itilious: disregard that , it was for the...
[04:40] <itilious> lol kinda confused me there a bit for a sec raido :p
[04:40] <the-erm1> radio I bet you meant sudo cat /dev/null > /etc/motd.tail
[04:41] <raido> itilious: do a wikipedia search on public key crypto, then the ssh key situation will make a bit more sense for you
[04:41] <raido> the-erm1: yes, sorry
[04:41] <the-erm1> It's ok.
[04:41] <the-erm1> I'll update/upgrade and see what happens now.
[04:42] <raido> the-erm1: you are up to date, that file was old and showing a previous motd
[04:42] <the-erm1> ok
[04:42] <itilious> raido, i do know a little bout the basics of key crypto stuff, just trying to understand if ubuntu needs the key in that specific directory to authenticate with the ssh-server keys
[04:42] <the-erm1> I wonder why that happened.
[04:43] <Admin__> how to install openmns in ubuntu server
[04:43] <raido> itilious: by default all linux is setup to use ~/.ssh, but you can tell ssh to use a key in any location you want, i.e. usb key etc...
[04:43] <Rehan> rileyp: still around?
[04:43] <the-erm1> thanks for your help radio
[04:43] <Rehan> could anyone help me with bootloader issues?
[04:43] <raido> the-erm1: np
[04:43] <the-erm1> It's now showing 0 updates.
[04:44] <Admin__> coud any help me how to install openmns in ubuntu server
[04:45] <raido> the-erm1: so if you see motd repeat 2 different messages, you know what to do. I think this is a recent minor bug in Lucid. Ive had this happen on all my Lucid boxes in the last few days
[04:45] <the-erm1> really
[04:45] <the-erm1> bummer
[04:46] <Rehan> I have a problem where I have easyBCD and grub2 both installed as bootloaders. Could anyone help?
[04:49] <itilious> does a user created for ftp access need to be given special permissions to use ssh as well? ie sftp?
[04:49] <AegNuddel> Does anyone know what gnomeConf.sh is?
[04:50] <disappearedng> I think my fsck failed is tehre a way to check the log?
[04:50] <Guest71924> ping www.baidu.com
[04:51] <AegNuddel> checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
[04:51] <AegNuddel> configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install
[04:51] <Ben64> !root | Guest71924
[04:51] <AegNuddel> is what I get
[04:51] <Ben64> err
[04:51] <Ben64> !rootirc | Guest71924
[04:52] <Guest71924> helllo
[04:52] <velcroshooz> AegNuddel, is gnome-libs installed?
[04:52] <duece> !samba
[04:53] <CooKieMonster> using a cronjob with the command "php -q ........" what does the php -q does ?
[04:53] <AegNuddel> velcroshooz, I don't think this version was letting me
[04:53] <velcroshooz> AegNuddel, from the error it sounds like it is requiring it
[04:54] <AegNuddel> velcroshooz, no deb available... will try something else
[04:54] <disappearedng> Is there a way to manually force fsck to run on your current root partition?
[04:54] <Ben64> disappearedng: fsck --help
[04:55] <disappearedng> Ben64: well device is busy
[04:55] <itilious> would "usermod -g user" be all thats needed to make user an SFTP user?
[04:55] <Ben64> you can't fsck a mounted partition, try from a live cd
[04:56] <disappearedng> Ben64: seems like that's the only way
[04:56] <disappearedng> yeah because I am pretty sure my root partition is 100% messed up
[04:56] <Ben64> aren't you on it right now?
[04:58] <iceen> hello
[05:01] <iceen> nobody???
[05:01] <soreau> iceen: hi
[05:01] <soreau> It's quiet because we fixed all the bugs
[05:02] <iceen> ???
[05:02] <iceen> English???
[05:03] <Wolframn> iceen, yes, we speak English.
[05:03] <itilious> is it safe to add my www-data user to the "admin" group?
[05:03] <AegNuddel> so I started to install gnome-libs, but then it told me...that gtk is not installed...I know gtk is installed!  I use GIMP!
[05:04] <rww> itilious: not really. that would give apache2 (or your httpd in general) sudo permissions, which would be an issue if someone exploited a vulnerability in apache2.
[05:04] <soreau> AegNuddel: You started to install? You mean you're trying to build gnome-libs?
[05:04] <AegNuddel> soreau, yes
[05:04] <soreau> ! compile | AegNuddel
[05:04] <soreau> AegNuddel: I don't know why you'd want to compile gnome-libs, but you'll need the development packages so it can find the headers etc
[05:05] <AegNuddel> yeah no prebuilds since Ubuntu stopped using mostly
[05:05] <itilious> rww, so is that not the way to use ssh/sftp? cuz a few guides i found said to do that, but it seemed like a security risk
[05:05] <soreau> AegNuddel: ie. the gtgk -dev package
[05:05] <AegNuddel> I want to use terraform
[05:05] <soreau> gtk*
[05:05] <rww> itilious: It is a security risk. I use ssh, sftp, and apache2, and am not sure why you'd want to do that :\
[05:05] <rww> (add www-data to admin, that is)
[05:06] <AegNuddel> soreau, been trying to get a workaround for this http://terraform.sourceforge.net/
[05:06] <itilious> rww, do you not use a user specifically for /var/www access?
[05:06] <soreau> AegNuddel: That page is bogus
[05:06] <AegNuddel> soreau, it is?
[05:07] <soreau> AegNuddel: It says the project hasn't uploading anything yet (try it)
[05:07] <soreau> s/ing/ed
[05:08] <rww> itilious: I added my user account to the www-data group.
[05:08] <rww> itilious: which is probably not ideal either, but at least then you're not giving sudo access to a public-facing daemon
[05:08] <iszak> So I'm trying to configure the network however for some reason it's not honouring my static IP configuration instead it's using DHCP
[05:08] <AegNuddel> soreauhttp://terraform.sourceforge.net/tf_download_current.html, it's here
[05:08] <AegNuddel> soreau http://terraform.sourceforge.net/tf_download_current.html, it's here
[05:09] <soreau> AegNuddel: Why do you think you need to build gnome-libs?
[05:09] <JoeCoder> where is the suexec log
[05:10] <AegNuddel> Every time I try to install it, it says it needs a file generated by gnome-libs
[05:10] <soreau> AegNuddel: Which version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:11] <lumz> so i messed up my audio and need to reinstall whatever package is used by default in 10.10 for audio
[05:11] <lumz> what package is that?
[05:11] <itilious> how can i add the 'www-data' user to the permissions that would allow an ssh/sftp connection access?
[05:11] <AegNuddel> soreau, I get configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install and it's Maverick
[05:12] <itilious> i can connect with my main account ok over ssh/sftp but www-data user can't connect via ssh/sftp,
[05:12] <soreau> AegNuddel: You're probably just missing dependencies (aka development headers and such) to build terraform. Let me try to build it here and I'll tell you how to do it
[05:12] <AegNuddel> ok thanks
[05:12] <soreau> AegNuddel: It's very likely you do not need to build gnome-libs
[05:12] <lumz> how do i renable default audio?
[05:12] <AegNuddel> soreau, ok
[05:14] <raido> itilious: what are you trying to accomplish? I would not do that. By default www-data does not have login privelages, doesnt need it
[05:15] <itilious> raido, just trying to setup a secure ftp client between my computer and my ubuntu web server
[05:15] <raido> it you have that already, right
[05:16] <paintchip> does anyone know how to change the default file manager that applications open when using fluxbox as a WM?
[05:16] <lumz> what is used in 10.10 for audio?
[05:16] <itilious> i have the webserver up and running
[05:16] <lumz> i disabled it now have no audio accidently
[05:17] <itilious> raido, everything is setup and working with my webserver as i need it, i just was tryng to get the sftp sever to work along with it and do other misc file transfering
[05:17] <itilious> the only user that i can get to connect to my ftp server via ssh is my main user that is an admin group and has ssh access, but www-data does not have this access
[05:17] <raido> itilious: web server and ftp server are 2 different things though. Are you wanting to be able to FTP from your login directly to your webservers /var/www dir to upload content
[05:17] <itilious> basically yes
[05:18] <itilious> is it ok to use my primary logon user and simply set the default directory of /var/home to do this?
[05:18] <rww> itilious: SFTP is not SSH + FTP.
[05:18] <lumz> what package is used by default for audio in 10.10? pulseaudio?
[05:18] <rww> lumz: yes
[05:18] <lumz> lol finally guessed right
[05:19] <itilious> rww, when i use filezilla and choose, sftp -ssh it connects fine for my main user, and i'm guesing this is secure right?
[05:19] <rww> itilious: sftp is a protocol provided by openssh-server that has nothing to do with your FTP server.
[05:19] <rww> itilious: and yes, sftp is secure
[05:19] <itilious> raido, thats exactly what i'm tring to do, basically make edits/uploads for website content
[05:19] <dm__> hello people
[05:20] <itilious> rww, from what i've learnd ftp goes thru the ssh tunnel, hence the traffic is secure right?
[05:20] <dm__> I'm kinda in need of help with .cue files
[05:20] <rww> itilious: I just said SFTP is secure. SFTP is not FTP through an SSH tunnel, it's an entirely separate protocol from FTP.
[05:20] <itilious> when connectect via the "sftp ssh" option in my client
[05:21] <itilious> so ftp thru ssh isnt secure then?
[05:21] <rww> /that is not what SFTP Is/
[05:21] <itilious> or just simply not the same thing as sftp, cuz i always knew that lol
[05:21] <rww> So you know that SFTP exists and are trying to do FTP through an SSH tunnel anyway? Why o.O?
[05:22] <raido> itilious: Then you can chenge your apache default dir from /var/www/ to something like /home/youruser/var/www then you can do what you want
[05:22] <itilious> is it ok to just use my admin "main" accont tho to log into ftp over ssh to be editing files in the /var/www directory?
[05:22] <Ben64> itilious: you should set it up differently
[05:22] <Ben64> ~/httpdocs would be much better
[05:22] <Ben64> or something in the user's home directory
[05:22] <xxmmaann> hi
[05:22] <raido> itilious: admin is a group not a user
[05:24] <soreau> AegNuddel: Hmm. From my research, it seems that terraform is very out of date and wont build on recent versions of linux
[05:24] <soreau> AegNuddel: What do you need terraform for?
[05:25] <AegNuddel> soreau, might niot be the one I thought it was... going to try klandscape next
[05:25] <xxmmaann> can you help me i have the same problem with video driver i installed the driver from command line but not work my system starts with comand line ?
[05:25] <AegNuddel> soreau, that got further but says I need qt...do you know which is the right packace to install?
[05:25] <AegNuddel> soreau, that got further but says I need qt...do you know which is the right package to install?
[05:26] <xxmmaann> now i cant start ubuntu in safe mode
[05:26] <soreau> AegNuddel: Pastebin the output
[05:26] <soreau> AegNuddel: To pastebin.ca
[05:27] <xxmmaann> why my system cant start withowt video driver ?
[05:28] <kindofabuzz> itilious: here's what i do for my /var/www. so you can edit files as your user but still have secure permissions http://serverfault.com/questions/6895/whats-the-best-way-of-handling-permissions-for-apache2s-user-www-data-in-var-w
[05:28] <soreau> xxmmaann: What driver did you install and what card do you have?
[05:28]  * gh0stz installed ubuntu 10.10 today beside a win7 install, but after the initial reboot it went to grub menu and then monitor went to power saver and would not wake up again until a reboot
[05:28] <gh0stz> after a lot of reading I decided to just go with 10.04
[05:29] <xxmmaann> >>>sudo apt-get install nvidia-*
[05:29] <AegNuddel> soreau, http://pastebin.ca/2049223
[05:29] <gh0stz> i installed 10.04 but apparently no grub, now the machine just gets to the point where the grub menu would load and reboots...i booted into live cd and checked but my machine has no menu.lst now
[05:29] <soreau> xxmmaann: Ick. You should have used sys>admin>additional drivers applet to install the nvidia driver
[05:29] <itilious> thanks kindofabuzz some good stuff in there :)
[05:29] <gh0stz> i can't boot to either system
[05:29] <soreau> xxmmaann: Try booting to CLI then 'rm -rf /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then reboot
[05:30] <gh0stz> should i just recreate menu.lst manually or do I need to re-install boot-loader
[05:30] <gh0stz> any recommendations?
[05:30] <xxmmaann> soreau: i know bit i cant start my sistem it starts with comand line
[05:30] <kindofabuzz> itilious: np. yes it is. :)
[05:30] <xxmmaann> i cant start in grafic mode
[05:31] <soreau> AegNuddel: Qt-1.4 huh.. try installing libqt4-dev but if it needs an ancient version of qt, this package is way out of date too
[05:31] <escoloader> LINUX IS THE DEVIL'S WORK, only sinners touch it.  Windows is HEAVENLY.  Angels made Windows....greedy, greedy angels
[05:31] <soreau> xxmmaann: Try booting to CLI (CLI = Command Line Interface) then 'rm -rf /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then reboot
[05:32] <AegNuddel> soreau, ok
[05:32] <soreau> escoloader: This isn't the place for that. Please refrain from such comments
[05:32] <gnewb> gh0stz: The multiple line posts sorta slowed me down, Sounds like you have Windows? on one partition and are attempting to dual boot that with Ubuntu?
[05:33] <rww> escoloader: I... umm... *grabs notes* #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (but our IRC guidelines apply there too).
[05:33] <AegNuddel> too old
[05:33] <AegNuddel> darn
[05:33] <gh0stz> gnewb: that's correct and sorry didn't want it to be a page long paragraph in one post
[05:33] <soreau> AegNuddel: What is this package you're trying to build now?
[05:34] <soreau> rww: hhahaha
[05:34] <dm__> T_T
[05:34] <xxmmaann> this is the nvidia install log http://paste.ubuntu.com/597281/ maybe can help me
[05:34] <gnewb> gh0stz: There are many recommendations, that is all good, what Windows version?
[05:34] <soreau> xxmmaann: I already told you what to try
[05:34] <abiss27> hey guys does anyone know how to get the ICQ chat working in Pidgin all I keep getting all the time  Error Messages.
[05:35] <soreau> xxmmaann: If you can't follow any instruction, no one will be able to help you
[05:35] <gh0stz> gnewb: win 7
[05:35] <xxmmaann> ok i ll try
[05:35] <AegNuddel> soreau, a landscape/background designer
[05:35] <gnewb> gh0stz: Does Win7 still have a good MBR or boot.ini?
[05:35] <administrador_> hola a todos
[05:36] <nit-wit> ghostz, your using grub2 you may just need to reload the mbr.https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[05:36] <soreau> ! xmountains | AegNuddel
[05:36] <soreau> !info xmountains | AegNuddel
[05:36] <gh0stz> gnewb: yea seems so...still need to do more testing but had to leave machine at the office...goign to test more first thing in the morning
[05:37] <gh0stz> nit-wit: thanks! checking out now
[05:37] <RegularDave> anybody in here develop for android???
[05:37] <soreau> AegNuddel: never tried it but 'sudo apt-get install xmountains' will get that installed without building anything
[05:37] <rww> RegularDave: try #android
[05:37] <RegularDave> cool thanks
[05:37] <gnewb> gh0stz: Ok, that is good, we just skipped having to repair that, but still make a backup before you try anything.
[05:37] <itilious> is there a way to re-issue an ssl certificate for an irc ssl server?
[05:38] <gh0stz> gnewb: new install in win 7 too...nothing to backup yet
[05:38] <gh0stz> :)
[05:38] <raido> itilious: lol, im gettin the feeling your paranoid
[05:38] <AegNuddel> lol it started then shut down
[05:38] <itilious> lol na
[05:38] <itilious> just fun stuff i guess
[05:38] <gnewb> gh0stz: Sure there is, all the System and configuration files.
[05:39] <raido> itilious: is it your irc server?
[05:39] <RegularDave> trying to join a channel..... It says I cant, I need to be identified with services... ???
[05:39] <itilious> and yes, a little
[05:39] <rww> !register | RegularDave
[05:39] <soreau> AegNuddel: Works here, must be your graphics drivers. What is the output of 'lspci|grep VGA'?
[05:39] <soreau> also
[05:39] <soreau> ! who | AegNuddel
[05:39] <itilious> i made the switch to linux i had 8 clients last week alone with hijacked emails.. :/
[05:39] <itilious> raido, nope
[05:39] <gnewb> gh0stz: I am really into making backups, call it a lesson learned 25 years ago.
[05:39] <hiram> hi
[05:40] <raido> itilious: then no, its their ssl cert, you have no control over that
[05:40] <AegNuddel> soreau, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[05:40] <gnewb> gh0stz: Did you check the md5 and integrity of the install medium?
[05:40] <soreau> AegNuddel: And what is the output of 'glxinfo|grep renderer'?
[05:41] <MaRk-I> !register | RegularDave
[05:42] <ylmfos> hi
[05:42] <AegNuddel> soreau, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 (RS690 791F) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 NO-TCL DRI2
[05:42] <soreau> AegNuddel: Alright, upgrade the entire driver stack by installing xorg-edgers with this command: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:42] <gh0stz> gnewb: fully agree about the backups...just having done anything after the clean install to backup.  i did run the media check
[05:43] <rww> soreau: as the xorg-edgers PPA description says, please do not tell people to use it without pointing them to the description page first.
[05:43] <soreau> AegNuddel: This will not only upgrade your drivers, but install the gallium mesa driver which is really the best for your card
[05:43] <soreau> AegNuddel: The gallium driver will be default in natty
[05:44] <gnewb> gh0stz: You are a wise person, so the Grub went haywire or splooged on install?
[05:44] <AegNuddel> soreau, nice... this is actually my mother's computer so I have no idea what she may have removed at times
[05:44] <soreau> AegNuddel: If it doesn't work, you can use 'sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers' to undo everything it did
[05:44] <gh0stz> gnewb: everything seems intact but the installer just didn't create a menu.lst
[05:44] <AegNuddel> soreau, it asks me for a disc
[05:44] <rww> AegNuddel: Please read https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa before using xorg-edgers. It is not stable software at all.
[05:45] <soreau> AegNuddel: And rww wanted you to have this https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
[05:45] <soreau> AegNuddel: You need to fix your repos by running 'gksu software-properties-gtk' and unselecting the cdrom and selecting all the installable from internet repos
[05:46] <gnewb> gh0stz: Ah, are you familiar with editing Grub.2?
[05:46] <naba> am a ubuntu newbie..is there a torrent client that has autoshutdown and similiar features like utorrent for ubuntu?
[05:46] <drmorphias> where is a step by step for installing sun's java for firefox?
[05:47] <gnewb> !torrent | naba
[05:47] <gh0stz> gnewb: not much...been on mac now for quite a while just now coming back to ubuntu
[05:47] <raido> itilious: BTW, I have been running Linux for 10 years including public facing servers. I have never had a security breech. I keep my systems up to date, use strict firewalling and monitor my servers on a +- daily basis. Never had a problem.
[05:48] <raido> itilious: relax and enjoy
[05:48] <naba> ubottu: thanks
[05:48] <gnewb> gh0stz: Ok, so you know BSD like stuff, just change Slices to Partitions and we are at a good start.
[05:48] <naba> ubottu: nice bot
[05:48] <tripelbb> I have an ubuntu installation on a hard drive. Can I import a user from that with its directory from /home into /home on my main drive?