[00:00] <nosrednaekim> |neon|: turn on "enable on boot" in there.
[00:00] <Deepthought> |neon|: go to system settings, tab advanced, open disks & filesystems
[00:01] <Perso> hi, good evening
[00:03] <Deepthought> |neon|: then go into administrator mode, right click on the partition /disc and choose modify; tick the box "open at start" and it should be ok
[00:04] <crash_> how do I find the list of drivers that are being loaded at boot?
[00:05] <Deepthought> !spanish | xago
[00:05] <ubotu> xago: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[00:06] <frederick> hello all
[00:07] <frederick> may someone help me a little here?
[00:07] <Taladan> frederick: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
[00:07] <frederick> ok thanks
[00:08] <frederick> i am new at ubuntu, and having some troubles between su gksu and sudo....
[00:08] <Taladan> what seems to be the trouble?
[00:08] <crash_> they are all pretty much the same thing
[00:08] <frederick> sometimes when apllying  a command none of those are working
[00:09] <Taladan> A specific command or any given command?
[00:09] <crash_> sudo should give you total control
[00:09] <frederick> well if f ex i type
[00:09] <frederick> sudo apt-get remove wacom-tools xserver-xorg-input-wacom -y
[00:09] <frederick> it tells me sudo: unable to resolve host frederick-laptop
[00:10] <nekostar> WOWZORZ
[00:10] <ForzaPalermo> how can u get flash to work in firefox with 64 bit ubuntu
[00:10] <Taladan> hm...
[00:10] <ForzaPalermo> do i need a 64bit firefox?
[00:10] <crash_> thats a problem with your sources.list dude
[00:10] <crash_> not sudo
[00:10] <frederick> well, its a fresh install
[00:10] <Taladan> That's an interesting one...might reside in sources.list
[00:11] <Taladan> frederick: try grep frederick-laptop /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:11] <Taladan> and see if it gives you any feedback
[00:12] <frederick> nop
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: that is quite finicky.... did you install the flashplayer from the repositories?
[00:13] <Perso> any body knows if firefox3 is localized?
[00:13] <ForzaPalermo> nosrednaekim, yes
[00:13] <Perso> I won't come up in my language
[00:13] <Deepthought> Taladan: when I did fresh hardy install there were no sources the first time, I had to tick' m somewhere in the package manager; little release-goofup maybe ?
[00:13] <ForzaPalermo> then made sure i mad a symlink of plugins to my firefox install directory
[00:13] <ForzaPalermo> and it shows there
[00:13] <cinex> hi
[00:13] <ForzaPalermo> but its a no go when im online
[00:14] <Taladan> Deepthought: could be...I haven't futzed with hardy yet so I'm not familiar with any install intricacies of it
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: what I ended up doing(call me cheap) was run a Windows VM just for flash :P
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> I don't really use flash alot
[00:14] <Taladan> frederick: do this: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: also, try install firefox-2 which seems to work better with flash
[00:14] <Taladan> frederick: and see if it has any sources actually /in/ there
[00:15] <ForzaPalermo> is there a 64bit firefox?
[00:15] <ForzaPalermo> maybe thats what i need
[00:15] <|neon|> e-sata hd how can i auto mount it everytime i boot, instead of going thru settings/advance/disk&filesystem to enable it
[00:15] <frederick> well it seems to have some yes
[00:15] <Taladan> frederick: do all of the 'deb' lines have # in front of them?
[00:16] <frederick> not all
[00:16] <frederick> i got some deb
[00:16] <Taladan> hm...well, you could try uncommenting all of the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list...but I'm not sure that will fix your problem, tbh
[00:16] <ForzaPalermo> nosrednaekim, also, i installed java from the repos... and i cant get azureus to work
[00:16] <ForzaPalermo> azurueus 64 bit version
[00:17] <ForzaPalermo> i dont get it!
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: you already have 64bit firefox installed
[00:17] <chris32882> gaim is now pigwin?
[00:17] <ForzaPalermo> nosrednaekim, i got it mannually
[00:17] <ForzaPalermo> its 32bit
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: oh... then by all means use the one in the repositories
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: correct... and it sucks
[00:17] <chris32882> indeed
[00:18] <chris32882> it was better before
[00:18] <chris32882> lol
[00:18] <ForzaPalermo> ok ill give it a try
[00:18] <Taladan> eh, pidgin is just like everything else - a work in progress
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I know
[00:18] <ForzaPalermo> nosrednaekim, any ideas on azurueus....?
[00:18] <ForzaPalermo> and java
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> Taladan: no... they are detroying it
[00:18] <chris32882> any other messengers to use that is pretty decent? besides kopete and pigwin
[00:19] <Taladan> nosrednaekim: well, maybe that's their over-arching goal. - 1) release good product.  2) relabel and destory it. 3) ?  4) profit
[00:19] <ForzaPalermo> chris32882, i like pidgin
[00:19] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: no...
[00:19] <nosrednaekim> Taladan: heh....
[00:19] <frederick> so what can i do with this sourse.list
[00:19] <chris32882> ok
[00:20] <Taladan> seriously though, I'm okay with pidgin for right now.  Wish that it was a bit more robust, but hey, I'm not a programmer.
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: after those two, it breaks down into single-protocol apps
[00:22] <davf> Is there a utility in kde4 for setting up dual monitor on nvidia for kubuntu hardy?
[00:23] <chris32882> how can I set konversation up to use nick completer, I hate typing ppls names, takes to long lol
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> !tab
[00:23] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> davf: use nvidia-settings
[00:23] <davf> thanks
[00:23] <davf> does it need to be run sudo?
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> probably kdesudo
[00:24] <cinex> chris32882: can you not hit tab to complete names?
[00:24] <psyco> Hey, I installed Windows 2000 then Kubuntu, But I can't boot up win 2000, I choose it in grub but it gets a stop, inaccessible_boot_device,
[00:24] <davf> thanks
[00:24] <psyco> If I reinstall win2000 will it write over grub?
[00:24] <crash_> yes
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> psyco: yes
[00:24] <cinex> psyco: yeah
[00:24] <chris32882> cinex no it doesn't work
[00:24] <cinex> psyco: it can be repaired though (grub)
[00:24] <crash_> Win2k will eat your mbr for breakfast
[00:25] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: are you using konversation?
[00:25] <psyco> crash_: so I found
[00:25] <psyco> cinex: How would I repair that?
[00:25] <psyco> oh
[00:25] <psyco> wait
[00:25] <cinex> psyco: to fix the windows boot loader run a win2k recovery console and use the commands fixboot and fixmbr (I think). that will erase grub
[00:25] <cinex> psyco: grub has commands you can run to fix it from within a live cd
[00:25] <psyco> but then I can't run kubuntu?
[00:26] <psyco> oh lol ok
[00:26] <cinex> psyco: but you would have to google that
[00:26] <cinex> fixing the windows mbr would be quicker than a reinstall
[00:27] <psyco> So, I'd fix win 2000, then fix kubuntu?
[00:27] <cinex> psyco: is your grub entry for windows correct?
[00:27] <psyco> THen would win 2000 be broken again or not
[00:27] <psyco> cinex: I think so.
[00:28] <psyco> Its Windows 2000 Professional then the command is:
[00:28] <cinex> psyco: I dunno if it would be broken or not. proabbly because you wont actually be changin anything.
[00:28] <psyco> root (hd0,0)        save default       makeactive      chainloader +1
[00:28] <chris32882> anyone know the code or some way to like complete a nick without typing the name <tab> doesn't work, I am using "Konversation"
[00:29] <cinex> psyco: looks ok to me. as long as windows is the first partition of the first drive
[00:29] <cinex> you can boot windows from a floppy too
[00:29] <cinex> you need ntldr boot.ini and one other file on a floppy
[00:29] <cinex> ntdetect.com
[00:30] <cinex> you can download/create them
[00:30] <_neon_3> e-sata hd how can i auto mount it everytime i boot, instead of going thru settings/advance/disk&filesystem to enable it
[00:30] <kartik> jp;;u
[00:31] <psyco> Shit lol I need to find a floppy
[00:31] <cinex> kde4 is awful :/
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: type int he first few letters and hit tab
[00:31] <cinex> psyco: it needs to be a windows system floppy or something.
[00:31] <chris32882> ahh
[00:31] <cinex> its wierd
[00:32] <chris32882> see that worked lmao
[00:32] <cinex> chris32882: its not psycic. it cant guess the name u want
[00:32] <chris32882> well didn't know what else to do besides usie tab
[00:32] <chris32882> didn't know I was suppose to enter in a few letters
[00:32] <psyco> chris32882: Its like in console
[00:32] <chris32882> but thanks now I got it
[00:33] <chris32882> <---new
[00:33] <chris32882> :)
[00:34] <cinex> psyco: got any mates with windows 2k /xp ? they could drag and drop the files for you onto a floppy
[00:34] <cinex> you would only have to make sure the boot.ini was correct
[00:34] <cinex> which it will be
[00:34] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: that works for shell commands too
[00:35] <chris32882> nosrednaekim: alright thanks, I'll keep that in mind :)
[00:36] <CYREX> anybody know of a mp3 player like xmms for 8.04?
[00:37] <snikker> how can i fix the resolution for ksplash screen? my xorg.conf file seem to be ok...
[00:37] <Odd-rationale> In konqueror's cd feature where you can copy and paste to rip cd tracks, can it support flac? I only see ogg and wav
[00:38] <chris32882> what is the most stable firefox? 3.0 is beta right?
[00:39] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: you can get firefox-21
[00:39] <nosrednaekim> *2
[00:40] <chris32882> nosrednaekim: alright thanks, I am having some issues with 3.0 so prolly would be a good idea
[00:40] <chris32882> thanks
[00:40] <cinex> i have a question. anyone know why truecrypt isn't putting the devices into /dev/mapper/truecrypt[0-9] anymore?
[00:41] <psyco> cinex: Ok so I am going to try to fix this....
[00:41] <cinex> heh; on your won head
[00:41] <cinex> own
[00:41] <psyco> lol  thats fine, i'll consult you though :P
[00:42] <psyco> Everything is backed up anyways
[00:42] <psyco> its a 1 day old installation XD
[00:42] <cinex> if windows wont boot after you fix the mbr then its a windows prob
[00:42] <psyco> So if I repair windows 2000, the install grub?
[00:42] <psyco> lol ok
[00:42] <cinex> repair grub
[00:43] <frederick> permission help anyone
[00:43] <frederick> unable to use su sudo or gksudo
[00:43] <psyco> JUST repair grub like right now? Don't even repair windows?
[00:43] <cinex> psyco: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[00:43] <psyco> lol ty XD
[00:44] <psyco> cinex: Excellent ty ^^
[00:44] <cinex> u want a windows one ?
[00:45] <psyco> a windows what?
[00:45] <cinex> instructinos on how to fix the mbr
[00:45] <ninix> hi
[00:46] <psyco> No. I just read this. I'll reapair windows then fix grub.
[00:46] <psyco> Thanks.
[00:46] <cinex> k
[00:47] <Lupus-Angina> Hello world... quick performance question.  One is a nVidia 7600 and the other an ati x1650 - according to him, the ati card is better, but my thinking is that the drivers will be crap so the performance upgrade will be a waste. Opinions please.
[00:47] <fleebailey33> how do i mount a samba share so i can use it with amarok?
[00:47] <ninix> is it possible to install kde4, and test it without uninstall kde3 ?
[00:47] <Lupus-Angina> ninix: Yes
[00:47] <ninix> fleebailey33:  like normal ?
[00:48] <psyco> ninix: yes, just install it then run a kde4 session
[00:48] <fleebailey33> which is....
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> Lupus-Angina: go for the ati if it has better performance... the ATI drivers aren't too bad
[00:48] <ninix> fleebailey33: follow any tutorial on ubuntu.com and it will work.
[00:48] <Lupus-Angina> nosrednaekim: Well they're utter shit for this card
[00:48] <ninix> it just need to me mounted in some place
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> Lupus-Angina: which is?
[00:48] <Lupus-Angina> radeon 9800xt pro
[00:48] <ninix> psyco: i was trying the kd4 package....... is it the one i need ? cause right now i got conflict
[00:49] <Lupus-Angina> ninix: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:49] <ninix> ha, excellent. thx
[00:49] <Lupus-Angina> Maybe
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> oh.... well, if you don't like ATI's... go with the Nvidia... I personally don't mind my ATI
[00:49] <Lupus-Angina> Might be wrong
[00:49] <_neon_3> e-sata hd how can i auto mount it everytime i boot, instead of going thru settings/advance/disk&filesystem to enable it, the enable at start does not work (doesn't do it)
[00:50] <Lupus-Angina> it's not personal preference... at a clear cut choice I'd choose nvidia but I really want to know if the drivers for that card are any good.
[00:50] <Lupus-Angina> I'll ask around
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> Lupus-Angina: the nvidia drivers aren't bad... but aren't excellent either
[00:50] <ninix> emmm yeah, it wrong.
[00:50] <Lupus-Angina> ninix: Use that adept program
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> and I'd support ATI for starting to release their cards' hardware API's
[00:50] <Lupus-Angina> search for desktop or something
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> ninix: kubuntu-kde4-desktop should be available in hardy
[00:51] <Lupus-Angina> The words kubuntu, kde4 and desktop are in some way aranged for the name of that metapackage
[00:51] <ninix> kk possible, im on gutsy right now
[00:51] <Lupus-Angina> nosrednaekim: I'd be more willing if their drivers didn't so far bend me over and do me analy
[00:51] <Fujisan> !vista
[00:51] <ubotu> Vista is a recent version of Microsoft Windows. Discussion on Windows related topics is available in ##windows. General issues on moving from Windows to Ubuntu is convered in the the wiki guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[00:53] <eduard510> hi.. i already install de enlightenment Desktop but i donk know how use it.. please someone can show me a basic tutorial about it
[00:53] <_neon_3> e-sata hd how can i auto mount it everytime i boot, instead of going thru settings/advance/disk&filesystem to enable it, the enable at start does not work (doesn't do it)
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> eduard510: might want to ask in #e
[00:53] <kicco> vista
[00:54] <psyco> hd0,0 is first HD 1st partiton
[00:54] <psyco> what about 1st hd 2nd partion
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> hd0,1
[00:56] <jaime> wenas
[00:59] <joaquim_> wenas jaime
[01:00] <psyco> mm I tinhk i have a problem with windows, windows repair can't find windows 2000 XD
[01:00] <_neon_3> kbxf , when i select a theme and apply it it does not work , any suggestions
[01:01] <jaime> wenas joaquim por lo menos alguien habla esàñol
[01:01] <joaquim_> has probado en #kubuntu-es
[01:02] <jaime> es que ace poko que me e pasado a linux y no se mu bien como va esto
[01:03] <_neon_3> yo hablo espanol
[01:03] <BluesKaj> !es | jaime
[01:03] <ubotu> jaime: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:05] <psyco> FFS
[01:05] <psyco> I fixedmbr for windows and still error...
[01:05] <psyco> I'll just reinstall
[01:06] <BluesKaj> psyco, reinstall ?
[01:06] <cinex> psyco: the problem isn't grub then eh
[01:06] <cinex> what is the error ?
[01:07] <Itaku> how do you add a printer on 8.04
[01:08] <coreymon77> Itaku: depends the printer
[01:08] <BluesKaj> Itaku, run the printer wizard in system settings
[01:08] <Itaku> HP Deskjet
[01:08] <coreymon77> okay then, go to system settings, and then add printer wizard
[01:08] <coreymon77> and do it that way
[01:09] <santiago-ve> Hi guys, anyone here is experiencing system frezees for unknown reasons?
[01:09] <Itaku> i want a local printer but it wont let me
[01:09] <santiago-ve> Itaku, do you have admin rights?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> Itaku, there is a HPLIPToolbox for HP printers in Kmenu/system
[01:10] <Itaku> yes
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> santiago-ve: nope
[01:10] <Itaku> BluesKaj: that doesnt work either
[01:11] <pottythepisser> is there a kubuntu git?
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> git?
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> git repository?
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> no, we use bzr
[01:11] <santiago-ve> :S hell i've been wandering arround looking for an answer and it seems my lappy is the only one with this kind of problems...
[01:11] <BluesKaj> Itaku, did you try the printer wizard in system settings/ptinters
[01:11] <harris> heellllo
[01:11] <coreymon77> pottythepisser: ya, we are in the kubuntu channel, now git!
[01:11] <coreymon77> :p
[01:11] <Itaku> yes
[01:12] <tinin> How could I control wich application I want to open the files in the firefox donwloads window?
[01:12] <pottythepisser> ;D
[01:12] <pottythepisser> :D
[01:12] <tinin> any chance to configure firefox behaviour in kde?
[01:13] <santiago-ve> tinin, it should be in the same plase as it used to be in other distros/os
[01:13] <santiago-ve> it is most likely to be a program feature...
[01:13] <BluesKaj> tinin, you have to choose where to download apps in firefox/edit/preferences
[01:14] <level1> Hi, no matter what I do I cant change .pdf files to open in a seperate viewer
[01:14] <BluesKaj> tinin, the default DL target is the desktop
[01:14] <tinin> now each time I want to acces to a folder or a file from there, it opens the gdebi package manager
[01:15] <tinin> not konqueror kpdf or ark
[01:15] <pottythepisser> does kubuntu have support for the evil empires OOXML?
[01:15] <crweb> pottythepisser: no one has support for OOXML, not even MS
[01:15] <crweb> its a same... heh
[01:15] <tinin> how could I configure file asociations in firefox? or at least to open everything with konqueror
[01:17] <Jucato> level1: in Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations -> application/pdf -> Embedding tab -> set to "Show file in separate viewer"?
[01:17] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: hey guess what, new problem
[01:17] <BluesKaj> tinin,  access a folder or a file from where ?
[01:17] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: the patch didn't cause this i know, but now i have no sound
[01:17] <level1> Jucato: yeah, that just magically doesnt work
[01:18] <tinin> BluesKaj from the firefox downloads window
[01:18] <level1> Jucato: I do it and click apply, but it forgets
[01:18] <Jucato> weird...
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: did you do a kernel upgrade?
[01:18] <chrisrogers> no
[01:18] <BluesKaj> tinin the FF DL window doesn't access files in linux , only windows
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> chrisrogers: any updates at all?
[01:18] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: no why?
[01:18] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: no
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:18] <dwidmann_> chrisrogers: iirc, this might be of interest to you --- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/223264/?loggingout=1
[01:18] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: havn't needed any since i reinstalled
[01:19] <BluesKaj> err MS Windows
[01:19] <tinin> BluesKaj under gnome it seems to preserve file asociations or open the containing folders with its default filemanager
[01:19] <alucardromero> Wow... it's packed in here.
[01:20] <alucardromero> ...or it's been a while since I've been in here.
[01:20] <santiago-ve> tinin, gimmi a chance to boot my laptop on hardy
[01:20] <BluesKaj> tinin, look in FF preferences to choose to where the files are DL'd
[01:20] <level1> does anyone know a way to convert an image pdf to a text pdf with ocr?
[01:20] <alucardromero> Are there a number of issues for WPA encryption on Hardy?
[01:20] <tinin> BluesKaj yeah, I know that trick
[01:20] <BluesKaj> FF does that in gnome?
[01:21] <level1> perl has some technology to do it but I get too frustrated getting perl to work
[01:21] <tinin> I just wanted it to behave the way it should be. I've never been able under kde
[01:21] <BluesKaj> <---not a gnome user so I wouldn't know
[01:21] <chrisrogers> !register | chrisrogers
[01:22] <dwidmann_> alucardromero: that's dependent on your wireless card and its drivers, it isn't the same across the board
[01:22] <alucardromero> Well, yeah, I know that.   I'm just wondering if there's a general number of complaints for Hardy, period.
[01:22] <alucardromero> ...regarding WPA.
[01:22] <dwidmann_> I haven't heard any
[01:22] <alucardromero> That way if there is, I know it's not my wireless configuration.
[01:22] <alucardromero> Ah, okay.
[01:23] <tinin> BluesKaj, ff is a gnome app, so it should be integratede there. You just need to tweak some gnome config files I think
[01:23] <alucardromero> I managed to resort to WEP, so I'm cool.
[01:23] <alucardromero> WPA just doesn't like me for some reason.
[01:23] <chrisrogers> nosrednaekim: hey lemme im you, i'm finally registered
[01:23] <alucardromero> It was fine with Gutsy, but... it gave me diarrhea with Hardy.
[01:23] <BluesKaj> tinin, there may be a setting in FF preferences , but i've never bothered with it. I just open the file in download destination.
[01:24] <tinin> BluesKaj I wanted to install kubuntu to a friend, so I needed to know how to integrate the web explorer there
[01:25] <BluesKaj> Firefox is a gnome app ? , that;s news to me :)
[01:25] <alucardromero> lol
[01:25] <tinin> well
[01:25] <tinin> gtk
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> !sound | chrisrogers
[01:26] <ubotu> chrisrogers: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:26] <tinin> ff3 seems to have a preferences window called programs, but it does not let you configure anything there
[01:27] <BluesKaj> tinin, I know windows have certain expaectations , but explain to your friend to forget some of that and try to expect new ways of doing things , that's linux
[01:28] <BluesKaj> or atleast part of linux
[01:29] <tinin> well, I never used this too, because I did not know how to change it. Maybe someone knew how to manage firefox asociations on kde.
[01:29] <alucardromero> :P
[01:30] <harris> YEAH BOI
[01:31] <Jucato> tinin: configuring firefox is the same whether you're in KDE or GNOME or whatever. you might get some help in #firefox (or is it #mozilla)
[01:31] <poseidon> back
[01:31] <BluesKaj> tinin, I don't understand what you mean file associations on FF...do you mean web video and audio content ?
[01:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: file associations: which programs would open certain file types, like PDFs
[01:32] <poseidon> Where is the link to the archive?
[01:32] <Jucato> what archive?
[01:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: afaik there's a setting in Firefox to change those. not sure where
[01:32] <tinin> BluesKaj no, just in the donloads window (ctrl+y)
[01:33] <poseidon> Jucato, look up a bit, and you'll see where I was debating someone
[01:33] <BluesKaj> Jucato, tinin ,yes i understand the "file asscociations"  means but what context
[01:33] <_nix_> hello everybody :)
[01:34] <Jucato> poseidon: I got disconnected so I can't look up a bit. nvm then
[01:34] <_nix_> anyone here know how to get a broadband connection up and running on a new kubuntu install? it requires user-id/password..
[01:34] <tinin> context: I donload a pdf, the donloads window appears, I try to open the pdf from there and only gdebi will try to open the pdf, if I try to open the containing folder, gdebi will try to do so too
[01:35] <tinin> well weird
[01:35] <BluesKaj> tinin, install adobe reader for linux
[01:35] <tinin> I thought ff3 would be more smart
[01:35] <yao_ziyuan> !compiz
[01:35] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:35] <_nix_> !internet
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about internet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <_nix_> lol
[01:35] <Jucato> tinin: tried asking in #firefox ?
[01:36] <tinin> sorry
[01:36] <tinin> I was wasting your time here ;)
[01:36] <BluesKaj> tinin, or choose open with KPDF
[01:36] <tinin> thats what I'd like
[01:36] <Jucato> tinin: not really
[01:36] <Jucato> it's just that you can probably get more specialized help from there than here
[01:38] <Carutsu> my laptop was cold and fresh but since I ran powertop and accepted the "tip" of making the USB devices autosuspend my laptop is a lot hotter and my battery barely last, further investigations lead me to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powertop/+bug/136549 so, how do I correct it?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> tinin, right click on the file , openwith: kpdf
[01:38] <Jucato> BluesKaj: can you right-click in the Download dialog box?
[01:39] <tinin> I've got no openwith there
[01:39] <tinin> really
[01:39] <tinin> just open or open the folder
[01:39] <BluesKaj> what's this obsession with the download box ..look for it on the desktop or /home/user
[01:40] <tinin> and it will always launch gdebi (don't ask why)
[01:40] <BluesKaj> or whereverFF DL'd it to
[01:40] <tinin> It's just the only thing I could not integrate with kde
[01:42] <Jucato> tinin: this guide for Firefox 2 doesn't work anymore? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE
[01:43] <Fotf> Hello
[01:44] <pottytheshitter> wats da mascots name of kde?
[01:44] <santiago-ve> konky i think
[01:44] <Carutsu> pottytheshitter: Konqi
[01:44] <Jucato> Konqui or Konqi
[01:44] <Fotf> Okay, I'm about to make the switch from Windows to Kubuntu and I was wondering, when burning the ISO image, do I burn as a bootable disk in Nero or burn image to disc?
[01:45] <pottytheshitter> cool id like to see gnome have a ascot
[01:45] <poseidon> How do I kill the package manager so that I can use it?  The last session crashed
[01:45] <Jucato> pottytheshitter: suggest it in #gnome
[01:45] <tinin> Jucato I use all the tricks there, Im just lost with this issue
[01:45] <Jucato> !aptfix | poseidon
[01:45] <ubotu> poseidon: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:45] <Jucato> tinin: hm... ok... no help from #ubuntu ?
[01:45] <Carutsu> Fotf: never used Nero before, but burning the image has always worked for me
[01:45] <Jucato> or #firefox ?
[01:45] <tinin> no
[01:45] <Fotf> Okay, I'll try that first
[01:46]  * Fotf crosses fingers
[01:46] <Carutsu> how about my issue? any help?
[01:46] <Jucato> Fotf: do not burn as bootable disk or data disc.
[01:46] <BluesKaj> pottythe ,,,, , I'd like to see you change your nick ...normally that kind of language isn't acceptable
[01:46] <poseidon> when I do sudo apt-get install libxml2-dev it tells me to put in the kubuntu cd, then press enter, but it doesn't do anything
[01:46] <Jucato> !language | pottytheshitter
[01:46] <ubotu> pottytheshitter: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:47] <Jucato> that goes for the nick too
[01:47] <pottytheshitter> jucato i will change it in a min
[01:47] <tinin> Fotf you should have an option to "record disc image" that's all
[01:47] <Carutsu> how do I enable autosuspend? (i disabled them because of powertop)
[01:47] <Jucato> poseidon: go to K Menu -> System -> Adept Manager. in the Adept menu, select Manage Repositories. then in the Third party software tab, uncheck the cdrom line
[01:47] <Carutsu> *autosuspend for usb
[01:49] <Fotf> Okay, next question, will this work on an external hard drive that connects via USB? (120 gigs)
[01:49] <cpk1> Fotf: yes, my laptop HDD died once I just ran linux off it with an external hdd
[01:50] <Fotf> kk
[01:50] <chris32882> how can I stop kde wallet from popping up all the time?
[01:50] <chris32882> to use kopete
[01:50] <tinin> Fotf do you want to install it in there, or just use as storage drive?
[01:50] <Fotf> Install it there. I want a flexible OS that I can take with me
[01:50] <tinin> yes you can
[01:51] <Fotf> thanks
[01:51] <tinin> but is not so easy
[01:51] <Fotf> how so?
[01:51] <Fotf> can't I just reformat the drive as a single partition and install it there?
[01:51] <tinin> Fotf well I havent tried that yet
[01:51] <tinin> try
[01:51] <Fotf> ok
[01:52] <tinin> Fotf I mean that's not as easy as a standard installation, but it is possible
[01:53] <cpk1> tinin: its just as easy...
[01:53]  * sepeck is considering reverting to earlier kubuntu.  video just jacked up
[01:53] <Berzerker> wow
[01:53] <Berzerker> KDE4 is nice.
[01:53] <cpk1> tinin: you point the installer to the external hard drive, done
[01:54] <sepeck> I imagine it is but can't get the video to work nicely
[01:54] <sepeck> everything is shifted right and gots this big black bar on the left
[01:54] <Artriss> auto adjust uor monitor :P
[01:54] <cpk1> sepeck: maybe you just need to move the image?
[01:55] <Artriss> your*
[01:55] <sepeck> Artriss, not the monitor, more likely the video card
[01:55] <chris32882> how can I stop kde wallet from popping up all the time?
[01:55] <Artriss> could be
[01:56] <chris32882> Berzerker: its still beta tho, has bugs :(
[01:56] <Artriss> i never had much trouble with video
[01:56] <sepeck> Artriss, well, it's not three monitors :)
[01:56]  * sepeck suspects stupid intel cheapy card :)
[01:56] <Berzerker> chris32882: still pretty nice
[01:56] <sepeck> one more re-install before giving up
[01:56] <Berzerker> it's nice enough for me to use it a lot
[01:57] <cpk1> a re-install wont fix the problem automatically
[01:57] <Artriss> i have always used nvidia cards, easy to set up
[01:57] <Berzerker> how do I do run command on kde4?
[01:57] <Berzerker> alt+f2 isn't working
[01:58] <Artriss> anyone messed with berryl?
[01:58] <CYREX> in kd4?
[01:58] <cpk1> Berzerker: you can right click on the desktop and select run command
[01:58] <Artriss> in general
[01:58] <CYREX> well me
[01:58] <CYREX> didnt touch the dbus stuff
[01:58] <Artriss> tried installing it into ubuntu dapper today
[01:58] <CYREX> dapper?
[01:58] <chrisrogers> !sound
[01:58] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:59] <Artriss> couldn't find a repository for xgl that worked for 6.06
[01:59] <CYREX> why havent you updated to 7.10 or 8.04
[01:59] <cpk1> Berzerker: and maybe ctrl + alt + w?
[01:59] <CYREX> you wont loose any info doing it
[01:59] <Artriss> been running os x
[02:00] <Artriss> fresh reinstall
[02:00] <CYREX> i guess so
[02:00] <Artriss> <--- semi lazy also
[02:00] <CYREX> its better to just jump to this last one since in the .23 and .24 of the kernel you could see too many fixes for drivers and faster kernel response
[02:01] <Berzerker> how do I make kwin the default instead of compiz
[02:01] <CYREX> kwin --replace
[02:01] <Artriss> brb restarting X
[02:01] <CYREX> if you have the compiz activated on kde go to menu-->system--->desktop effects
[02:02] <DarkShinigami> I am still 7.10. How is 8.04 working out?
[02:02] <CYREX> select no effects
[02:02] <CYREX> then to make sure you have kwin default type kwin --replace
[02:02] <CYREX> for me awesome
[02:02] <CYREX> my 2 wifi cards and my audigy sound work great
[02:03] <CYREX> only thing i hate is that i cant still xmms
[02:03] <CYREX> i know is old but whatever, its a simple mp3 player that i like
[02:03] <cpk1> xmms is SO old now
[02:03] <Lupus-Angina> Hey, I'm currently expiriencing difficulty with my ATI graphics card. It's a radeon 9800xt pro, I've enabled fglrx but it won't seem to work, fglrxinfo tells me it's using the mesa opengl renderer and dmesg gave me this: [   84.627160] [fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 4824 using kernel context 0   I'm currently on a fresh install of Gutsy. What do I do oh great IRC'ers
[02:03] <Artriss> anyone in her play wow?
[02:03] <CYREX> me
[02:03] <cpk1> there are plenty of newer simple players CYREX
[02:03] <CYREX> oki tell me one
[02:03] <CYREX> exactly
[02:03] <Artriss> in kubuntu?
[02:03] <CYREX> simple and mp3 player
[02:03] <cpk1> beep
[02:04] <CYREX> yeah
[02:04] <cpk1> beep is pretty simple iirc
[02:04] <Artriss> cedega or wine
[02:04] <CYREX> well
[02:04] <chris32882> Artriss: I do!
[02:04] <CYREX> i tried cedega first
[02:04] <CYREX> and i was like wow great
[02:04] <CYREX> wow works on linux
[02:04] <chris32882> but not in kubuntu :( sorry
[02:04] <CYREX> but then wine got super powerful
[02:04] <Roey> define super powerful
[02:04] <CYREX> i recommend any of them
[02:04] <Roey> +5, Interesting
[02:05] <CYREX> on wine at least the voice chat in game works good
[02:05] <CYREX> cedega it sucks
[02:05] <Roey> I've subscribed to cedega for six months once
[02:05] <Artriss> i haven't gotten wow running in wine yet
[02:05] <Artriss> still working on it lol
[02:05] <Roey> CYREX:  can wine run max payne?
[02:05] <CYREX> what version you using
[02:05] <CYREX> yes
[02:05] <Roey> I used to play it under cedega
[02:05] <Roey> hmm ok.
[02:05] <Artriss> newest
[02:05] <Berzerker> CYREX: I meant when I log in
[02:05] <Artriss> it's a sound card issue
[02:05] <Berzerker> after I log in, it sets it to compiz
[02:05] <chris32882> I haveint instealled wow yet on here, but I have it and have a lvl 70 human warrior heh
[02:05] <chris32882> when I had vista
[02:05] <CYREX> i tried the following games: wow, hitman 1, 2, 3, 4, max payne, gta 3,4, san andreas and a lot more
[02:06] <Artriss> i have a 70 NE rogue and a 70 NE priest lol
[02:06] <CYREX> berzerker
[02:06] <Carutsu> does hardy still has the bug with the USB devices ? or can I update with no worries?
[02:06] <CYREX> let the compiz set
[02:06] <CYREX> then alt+f2
[02:06] <CYREX> type kwin --replace
[02:06] <Berzerker> I did that
[02:06] <cpk1> if you are using wine you definitely need to check wine's appdb when you try to install/play games
[02:06] <Berzerker> but it still sets to compiz after I log in again
[02:06] <CYREX> then go check in menu--->system--->desktop effects that you have NO EFFECTS selected
[02:06] <Berzerker> I just ended up uninstalling it
[02:06] <DarkShinigami> I have yet to get into those games. I tried FF XXIV and it didn't quite work out past 2 months.
[02:06] <CYREX> umm
[02:06] <CYREX> you did all that and still?
[02:06] <Berzerker> no
[02:07] <Berzerker> I mean just not
[02:07] <Berzerker> now*
[02:07] <CYREX> a oki
[02:07] <CYREX> well do all that and let me know
[02:07] <Berzerker> DarkShinigami: FF 24?
[02:07] <Berzerker> I want that game.
[02:07] <Artriss> hows the framerates in wow/wine?
[02:07] <CYREX> had the same problem yesterday and it worked for me
[02:07] <cpk1> CYREX: mpd is also supposed to be really lightweight I believe
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> Berzerker: run this "rm .kde/share/config/compizasWM"
[02:07] <CYREX> i even went checking on the kdm configure files to make sure all was good
[02:07] <Carutsu> does hardy still has the bug with the USB devices freezing the PC?
[02:07] <Berzerker> nosrednaekim: I already uninstalled it
[02:07] <Artriss> last time i tried it in cedega i was getting like 7fps in shatt lol
[02:07] <CYREX> gonna try it cpk1
[02:07] <DarkShinigami> Berzerker: Sorry, lol. XI
[02:07] <CYREX> ty
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> Berzerker: yes... but uninstalling doesn't remove things from your home DIR
[02:07] <chris32882> heh bad fps
[02:07] <sepeck> hmmm... got video working now.  Where does one configure the network settings?
[02:08] <chris32882> ok..I am stopping..this isn't a wow channel :)
[02:08] <Berzerker> what about compizrc
[02:08] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:08] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:08] <Berzerker> remove that also?
[02:08] <Artriss> lol
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> Berzerker: don't worry about that
[02:08] <Jucato> there's a #winehq channel for Wine-related questions
[02:08] <Berzerker> k done
[02:08] <Berzerker> thanks
[02:08] <Artriss> yea it's time for me to deliver this PC anyhow ,have a good night guys
[02:09] <poseidon> Do any of you guys look at any linux blogs?
[02:09] <CYREX> does mpd have a gui
[02:10] <CYREX> all i want is a simple mp3 player like xmms
[02:10] <cpk1> i know there is pympd, cant promise it will look like xmms
[02:10] <Berzerker> CYREX: why not use XMMS?
[02:10] <CYREX> thats the one i want
[02:10] <CYREX> but for some reason in 8.04 is not on the list
[02:11] <CYREX> i did a repository look in gutsy but the library that uses xmms is old and there is a new one that wont get downgrade
[02:13] <corban> has anybody here applied a patch to wine?
[02:13] <CYREX> a patch what u mean
[02:13] <cpk1> there's xmms2 CYREX
[02:14] <CYREX> xmms2 is console based
[02:14] <sepeck> Where does one configure the network settings?  I would like to set a static IP Address.
[02:14] <corban> i need to a apply a patch to wine to play a game
[02:14] <CYREX> has a daemon and all but i dont want that
[02:14] <CYREX> i want a simple, no daemon, no console bases, gui only mp3 player
[02:15] <CYREX> you could run knetworkmanager o do a ifconfig
[02:15] <CYREX> ifconfig is shell while knetworkmanager is gui
[02:15] <Jucato> I guess amarok doesn't qualify for "simple", eh? try Juk maybe
[02:15] <cpk1> most everything is console based...
[02:16] <cpk1> juk is definitely more simplified
[02:16] <Carutsu> can anybody help me,   over 30% of my interrupts are caused by USB, and I have none atached to this laptop: 31.3% ( 41.2)       <interrupt> : uhci_hcd:usb2, ahci, ipw3945
[02:16] <CYREX> hehe amarok is very powerful
[02:16] <CYREX> but i have never been able to make it handle so many songs
[02:16] <psyco> I want to dual boot 2 linux distros,
[02:16] <CYREX> for instance
[02:16] <Jucato> weird.. it's meant to handle large amounts of files...
[02:17] <psyco> do I partion a "/" a "/home" a "swap" and another "/"
[02:17] <CYREX> xmms takes about 10 seconds to read all songs, save them on a list and i can open close the xmms and just play any song in there
[02:17] <Snuggles> wO0t !!!!!
[02:17] <CYREX> amarok HAS to read all songs everytime i open it and it takes some time
[02:17] <CYREX> yes it handles many songs
[02:17] <CYREX> but it takes way too much than simple xmms
[02:18] <Jucato> has to read? hm.. I'm not sure it does that...
[02:18] <Jucato> lemme check
[02:18] <Snuggles> WHERES CHOMP???????????
[02:18] <CYREX> beside i dont care about organizing the songs, or looking for artist, etc..i want to play them thats all
[02:18] <Jucato> !caps | Snuggles
[02:18] <ubotu> Snuggles: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:18] <CYREX> love of linux at last
[02:18] <Snuggles> sorry folks  !!  caps lock
[02:18] <CYREX> put the repository from gutsy below the one from hardy in the sources
[02:19] <CYREX> did an update and at last i have xmms
[02:19] <cpk1> APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) is this a serious problem at all? seems to show up in dmesg once in a while but I dont seem to have any problems? should I just turn off apic? (not really sure what the benefits of apic is)
[02:19] <DarkShinigami> !upgrade
[02:19] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:20] <Snuggles> hey harls can u helpz me fix my computer ?
[02:20] <harley> no
[02:20] <CYREX> thins i would like change in kde that are very good in gnome are the synaptic way of getting updates and packages, firefox and not konqueror and some better vnc manager
[02:20] <luisjavier> Hi, i need help, i install ubuntu 8 and the driver for my wireless don't work
[02:20] <CYREX> cual driver luis?
[02:20] <luisjavier> bcm4310
[02:21] <CYREX> otra vez ese?
[02:21] <caveman26> my upgrade to 8.04 failed... I followed the instructions for using adept to do thw upgrade, it downloaded everything, but nothing would install, kept getting error messages then it said it was gonna stop due to errors, gave me the option to do a recovery (dpkg --configure -a), I hit ok and adept crashed, so I ran the command manually and nothing happened. what do I do now?
[02:21] <CYREX> eres de venezuela maracaibo?
[02:21] <coreymon77> CYREX: english please
[02:21] <Jucato> CYREX: English only in here please
[02:21] <CYREX> hp pavilion dv6220la
[02:21] <CYREX> wifi broadcom 4312
[02:21] <Lupus-Angina> I'm at my wits end about this ATI issue... I've tried EVERYTHING on the ati binary drivers wiki page... NOTHING seems to be able to start 3d acceleration, amost errors I've got in dmesg "
[02:21] <Lupus-Angina> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp] could not determine AGP since mode=0x05000a08
[02:21] <Lupus-Angina> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[02:21] <CYREX> sorry
[02:21] <CYREX> that the pc and wifi card?
[02:22] <chris32882> after I install kubuntu-kde4-desktop, can I uninstall kde3? or will it overwrite it?
[02:22] <luisjavier> again bcm4310?
[02:22] <CYREX> luisjavier is it this
[02:22] <CYREX> hp pavilion dv6220la
[02:22] <CYREX> wifi broadcom 4312
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: I'd keep them both, just in case
[02:22] <DarkShinigami> Is Hardy stable enough to use at this time?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> DarkShinigami: certainly
[02:22] <Carutsu> nosrednaekim: that's not true
[02:23] <DarkShinigami> Thank you nosrednaekim
[02:23] <Jucato> CYREX: as for your proposed changes, none of them except the vnc thing is KDE's problem/fault/concern. Package managers have been left for distros to take care of (Synaptic only works with APT), KDE will never make Firefox their default. have you tried kvnc or some of those remote network stuff?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> its as stable as gutsy :)
[02:23] <CYREX> yea jucato
[02:23] <CYREX> naa just saying some things that are more user friendly in gnome than in kde
[02:23] <Jucato> so it's not "KDE" but "Kubuntu"
[02:23] <luisjavier> but i have a notebook, hp v3715la
[02:23] <CYREX> for the rest of ALL the sutff in kde, kde is better
[02:24] <chris32882> nosrednaekim: why keep both? for the most part kd4 works, but buggy
[02:24] <DarkShinigami> nosrednaekim: I believe you. I will upgrade from G to H
[02:24] <CYREX> oki let me show you
[02:24] <Jucato> CYREX: you're confusing GNOME with Ubuntu-branded GNOME
[02:24] <chris32882> I'm a buggy person :)
[02:24] <CYREX> is it different?
[02:24] <Jucato> yes
[02:24] <CYREX> doesnt gnome come with synaptic?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: just keep it, trust me
[02:24] <Jucato> CYREX: GNOME doesn't have a package manager, has Epiphany as its own browser
[02:25] <CYREX> AHA! i see
[02:25] <Carutsu> Hardy is not ready to switch just yet, how about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdelibs/+bug/194474
[02:25] <CYREX> what else
[02:25] <crabsperof> i'm trying to reset my xserver in kde4.. it's only letting me reconfig the keyboard
[02:25] <chris32882> nosrednaekim: you think I aint gonna like it, and want to switch back :)
[02:25] <Carutsu> in this modern usb world you can't have such bugs
[02:25] <crabsperof> where can i get at the video driver config now?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: no... but alot of kde3 app[lications are still useful in kde4
[02:25] <CYREX> luisjavier this is the site http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990
[02:25] <CYREX> it covers all about that wifi problem
[02:25] <chris32882> I see
[02:25] <CYREX> very good and it works
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> Carutsu: there are ALWAYS open bugs....
[02:26] <Carutsu> oh come on nosrednaekim, i know there are always open bugs
[02:26] <Carutsu> but that particular bug is damn critical
[02:26] <CYREX> well not so many as a ...ndows operating system i know of
[02:26] <caveman26> my upgrade to 8.04 failed... I followed the instructions for using adept to do thw upgrade, it downloaded everything, but nothing would install, kept getting error messages then it said it was gonna stop due to errors, gave me the option to do a recovery (dpkg --configure -a), I hit ok and adept crashed, so I ran the command manually and nothing happened. what do I do now?
[02:27] <CYREX> do a dpkgp --configure -a
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> Carutsu:oh... that one... yes
[02:27] <Jucato> !aptfix | caveman26
[02:27] <ubotu> caveman26: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[02:27] <caveman26> ok
[02:28] <crabsperof> anyone? advice on how to reconfigure my video card? tried sudo dpkg xserver-xorg and it's only workin on my keyboard
[02:28] <chris32882> kde should put out some "hotfixes" lol
[02:28] <caveman26> so mutch for that
[02:28] <caveman26> dpkg: --configure --pending does not take any non-option arguments
[02:28] <caveman26> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];
[02:28] <caveman26> Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
[02:28] <caveman26> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[02:28] <caveman26> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[02:28] <caveman26> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[02:28] <caveman26> Type dpkg --license for copyright license and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*].
[02:28] <caveman26> Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[02:28] <caveman26> caveman@caveman-laptop:~$
[02:28] <caveman26> thats what I got
[02:29] <Carutsu> chris32882: is not KDE's bug but Kubuntu's
[02:29] <CYREX> hey jucato can you please tell me what programs ubuntu adds to gnome that are not in gnome default programs?
[02:29] <chris32882> ahh
[02:30] <chris32882> Carutsu: just on kde4 not kde3, correct?
[02:30] <Jucato> CYREX: not really sure, since I very rarely use Ubuntu/GNOME... but Synaptic, Add/Remove Programs, Compiz,  OpenOffice, Firefox, the GIMP etc
[02:31] <CYREX> a oki
[02:31] <CYREX> so basically all this are gtk programs
[02:31] <Jucato> CYREX: F-Spot and Tomboy are not main GNOME programs, but I think they're closely related to GNOME (just like Amarok, K3b, Digikam, Konversation, etc are in KDE)
[02:31] <CYREX> just no related directly with gnome
[02:31] <CYREX> a oki
[02:31] <CYREX> thank you
[02:31] <caveman26> guess ima just have to reformat and reinstall for hardy
[02:32] <caveman26> since nothing seems to work
[02:32] <CYREX> well take care friends
[02:32] <coreymon77> caveman26: nononoo
[02:32] <CYREX> see you all
[02:32] <Jucato> CYREX: I'm not familiar with GNOME's structure. but in KDE there's what would be "main" KDE programs, KDE extragear (extragear.kde.org) and 3rd party KDE programs (mostly found on kde-apps.org)
[02:32] <coreymon77> caveman26: no need
[02:32] <CYREX> ill copy those places
[02:32] <CYREX> thank jucato
[02:32] <CYREX> take care
[02:33] <coreymon77> caveman26: first type this
[02:33] <coreymon77> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:33] <coreymon77> copy and paste
[02:33] <caveman26> well how do I get it to install all those files it downloaded
[02:33] <caveman26> I did that
[02:34] <caveman26> then the dpkg --configure -a thing.. all it did was go back to tha cmd line
[02:34] <Carutsu> chris32882: the bug? no, it happens in 3.5.9
[02:34] <chris32882> ok just installed kde, asking which display manager I want kde or kde 4? which should I select?
[02:34] <coreymon77> caveman26: when you typed dpkg --configure -a
[02:34] <chris32882> Carutsu: oh I see
[02:34] <coreymon77> caveman26: no output?
[02:34] <caveman26> nothing
[02:34] <caveman26> not even command not found
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: do kde
[02:35] <coreymon77> caveman26: good!
[02:35] <caveman26> it just kicked me back to the command line
[02:35] <coreymon77> caveman26: heres some news, on linux, when something has no output, thats a good thing
[02:35] <caveman26> and when I did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, I got this
[02:35] <caveman26> 1481 upgraded, 197 newly installed, 86 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[02:35] <caveman26> Need to get 0B/3187MB of archives.
[02:35] <caveman26> After unpacking 623MB of additional disk space will be used.
[02:35] <caveman26> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[02:35] <caveman26> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend audacious-plugins for audacious-plugins-extra, probably a dependency cycle.
[02:35] <caveman26> caveman@caveman-laptop:~$
[02:35] <Carutsu> !pastebin > caveman26
[02:36] <coreymon77> caveman26: try sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:36] <Carutsu> !pastebin | caveman26
[02:36] <ubotu> caveman26: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:36] <chris32882> nosrednaekim: how come kde instead of kde4?
[02:37] <caveman26> now its doing something
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> chris32882: its stabler... you can give the other one a try though with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[02:37] <brhad56> Need help.  Last night I was doing the version upgrade to 8.04.  I left it running and went to bed.  Before I had a chance to get back to it, the power went out.  When I booted my PC back up two things, 1) The desktop is differnt.. showing what looks like / folders.   and 2) the internet stopped working..   Any ideas?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> brhad56: ouch... not good.
[02:39] <crabsperof> anyone? advice on how to reconfigure my video card? tried sudo dpkg xserver-xorg and it's only workin on my keyboard
[02:39] <brhad56> The upgrade should have had time to finish before power went out
[02:40] <Jucato> crabsperof: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[02:40] <dwidmann_> brhad56: maybe you could chroot in and do a dpkg --configure -a
[02:40] <Jucato> tried that? ^^^
[02:40] <crabsperof> let me see real quick jucato, thanks
[02:40] <caveman26> finally my upgrade is going
[02:40] <dwidmann_> brhad56: or skip the chroot part
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: xorg 7.3 removed the other config options
[02:40] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: oh.. didn't know that
[02:40] <Jucato> (silly...)
[02:41] <caveman26> I just hope it doesnt fail like the last2 attempts
[02:41] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: but dpkg-reconfigure is a Debian thing
[02:41] <brhad56> dwidmann_: I'm logged in as safe mode now, and trying it
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:42] <luisjavier> please help with ubuntu 8 and bcm4310
[02:46] <odinsbane> Hello, I'm considering reinstalling ubuntu, and I am wondering about kde4?
[02:47] <Dr_willis> i just used the    b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware ---- for my wireless card and it took off. :)
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> odinsbane: what about it?
[02:47] <Dr_willis> odinsbane,  kde4 is not featre complete. You can easially hafvfe kde3 and 4 on the same system
[02:47] <luisjavier> thanks
[02:48] <caveman26> I have both KDE 3 and 4.... and imo kde4 lacks a lot of features
[02:48] <crabsperof> hm
[02:48] <dwidmann_> but kde4 is oh so sexy ...
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:49] <crabsperof> yeah this ain't working.. anyone know how to reconfigure vid cards in kde4?
[02:49] <sean_> or how to use a different driver if the newest one is not supported for the video card
[02:49] <sean_> ????
[02:50] <Dr_willis> depends on the video card.
[02:50] <brhad56> dwidmann_: it finshed.. I rebooted and I have my regular desktop back.  But the internet still isn't connecting.  KNetworkManager says "No Active Device"
[02:50] <sean_> nvidia geforce go 6150
[02:51] <Dr_willis> There is the nvidia-glx , nvidia-glx-new, and i think one other.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> !find nvidia-glx
[02:51] <ubotu> Found: nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-new-dev, nvidia-glx-legacy (and 1 others)
[02:51] <dwidmann_> sean_: try using nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-glx-new
[02:51] <caveman26> sexy...lol my kde3 setup looks better... I would like to know what happened to the ability to make my task bar transparent and add my commonly used program icons to the taskbar in KDE4... I couldnt find it anywere, not to mention the mini command line in KDE3 that I just cant live without
[02:51] <Dr_willis> nvidia-glx-legacy  for older cards.
[02:51] <sean_> i cannot use the 169.*.*.*, and i need to use the 100.19.*.*
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> sean_: thats nvidia-glx
[02:51] <sean_> k thx
[02:52] <Jucato> caveman26: KDE 4.0 is just the first release of KDE 4... more features will come along the way
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> !info nvidia-glx
[02:52] <ubotu> nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34 (hardy), package size 3762 kB, installed size 12040 kB
[02:52] <Jucato> caveman26: as for the mini command line, you can still use Alt+F2
[02:52] <caveman26> true
[02:52] <odinsbane> Hmm it seems that 8.04 was supposed to be officially released by the end of april...but not quite yet?
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> odinsbane: three days ago :)
[02:52] <caveman26> i just got spoiled... im used to it being built into my taskbar/dock
[02:52] <Jucato> odinsbane: yeah.....
[02:52] <Jucato> odinsbane: few days ago
[02:54] <Fa> i don't like kde4
[02:54] <Fa> i use kde 3.5.9
[02:54] <caveman26> ima stick to kde3 for a while
[02:55] <Fa> yeah
[02:55] <Fa> til 4.2
[02:55] <Fa> comes out
[02:55] <brhad56> I ran that sudo dkpg --configure -a again and everything is working now.. Thanks for your help dwidmann_!
[02:55] <dennister> howdy channel...coming live to you from new server with hardy :-)
[02:55] <dwidmann_> brhad56: no problem :)
[02:55] <caveman26> the kmenu on KDE4 reminds me of windows vista
[02:55] <Fa> lol
[02:55] <Fa> they want to get it to windows soon
[02:56] <Fa> if people from windows use it they might switch to linux
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> caveman26: you can get the old one
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I don't think anyone likes the default KMenu in KDE4
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> dennister: hey dennister
[02:56] <dwidmann_> I don't like KDE4's kmenu, good thing it has the old one available too
[02:56] <Fa> i don't mind it bug there's still bugs in 4
[02:56] <Fa> opps
[02:56] <Fa> -bug
[02:56] <dennister> nosrednaekim: hi back...do u have hardy yet?
[02:57] <odinsbane> anybdy try 'gobuntu' yet?
[02:57] <caveman26> I think its kinda neat... but im sticking to kde3 for now... it has everything I use
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> dennister: yep, I upgraded a week before the release like I always do :)
[02:57] <Fa> noway
[02:57] <monkeybritches> KDE4's menu is unsightly, hideous, ghastly, horrible, nasty, and it's ugly too.
[02:57] <Fa> i tried xubuntu
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> I haven't tried 4.0.3 yet. I may end up just waiting until 4.1
[02:58] <monkeybritches> But still better than Gnome.
[02:58] <caveman26> I thought it loked cool, but to me it was just a pain to use
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> 4.03 is almost exactly the same as 4.02, but with fewer bugs
[02:58] <dennister> i tried it before the release, but on a test machine...and found out hardy doesn't have a crucial package that i needed for that particular machine...so it's now on gutsy, and this one is on hardy
[02:58] <Fa> yeah i don't like gnom e that much
[02:58] <odinsbane> wow the upgrades have gotten easier.
[02:58] <caveman26> I hate gnome
[02:58] <caveman26> god I cant stand it
[02:58] <dennister> one problem with hardy i haven't encountered before: how do i get hardy to enable the dma for my dvd drive?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> dennister: I think due to kernel changes, there is no need
[02:59] <monkeybritches> It should take care of it automagically.
[03:00] <Fa> i use gnome for my ipod
[03:00] <Fa> lol
[03:00] <dennister> nosrednaekim: well i beg to differ, as this is the message kaffeine gave me (no dma) and it won't play my dvd i'm using to test all the multimedia
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> well, then i'm wrong.... not the first time :P
[03:01] <dennister> oh wait...it did with totem...so it's not the kernel
[03:01] <daxweb> italiani?
[03:01] <will00> can anyone tell me if its possible to use a modem card as a way to turn your computer into a conventional telephone?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> !it
[03:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:01] <dennister> the problem with dvd movie is with kaffeine
[03:01] <halcyonCorsair> hi, my knetworkmanager doesn't seem to be able to configure my wired connection, can anyone help?
[03:02] <odinsbane> will00 it depends on your modem card
[03:02] <monkeybritches> will00: It would be easier to use a broadband connection to make calls via Skype, etc.
[03:02] <dwidmann_> halcyonCorsair: I recommend killing knetworkmanager and using "dhclient eth0" instead
[03:02] <halcyonCorsair> dwidmann_: why?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> halcyonCorsair: yes.... go into your /etc/network/interfaces and comment out the line(s) dealing with your network card
[03:02] <monkeybritches> !it | daxweb
[03:02] <ubotu> daxweb: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:03] <halcyonCorsair> nosrednaekim: there isn't one
[03:03] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: knetworkmanager just doesn't seem to want to play nicely in hardy :(
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> it never has :)
[03:03] <will00> monkeybritches: yes i know, but my college provides me local calls for free through a built in phone jack
[03:03] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: yeah, pretty much
[03:03] <halcyonCorsair> dwidmann_: i can manage it from /etc/network/interfaces no problem, but i want to manage it graphically, coz i can
[03:04] <monkeybritches> Then like odinsbane said it will depend on your hardware.
[03:04] <dwidmann_> halcyonCorsair: or so you thought?  .... it has been iffy for at least the last month or two for hardy
[03:04] <odinsbane> will00 I don't think it is a simple task, compared to buying a 10 dollar phone.
[03:04] <will00> true
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> dwidmann_: bleh >:( it worked when i was on the amd64 version....*sigh*
[03:05] <Roey> heya halcyonCorsair, long time no see :)
[03:05] <dwidmann_> halcyonCorsair: it doesn't seem to want to work for my desktop with amd64 whenst last I checked ... then again I think it's working on my laptop
[03:05] <halcyonCorsair> dwidmann_: its weird, amd64 version worked seamlessly for network and dvd playback, etc but was weird in terms of interface on kde4
[03:06] <halcyonCorsair> dwidmann_: but i386 is the opposite
[03:06] <halcyonCorsair> Roey: hey yo, sup?
[03:06] <halcyonCorsair> Roey: had a lot of work / RL going on...just finished my job though, so some free time
[03:06] <Roey> aye
[03:07] <Roey> halcyonCorsair:  well a lot of things (I'm doing an information security master's at Johns Hopkins now)
[03:07] <Roey> halcyonCorsair:  and I continue to work
[03:07] <Roey> anyway, I've gotta catch a shower and get to bed
[03:07] <Roey> have a good night! :)
[03:07] <halcyonCorsair> Roey: its weird....after 5 or so years on gentoo i switch to kubuntu
[03:07] <dennister> now i'm working to finish up samba...sbfs isn't being used anymore? in favour of cifs?
[03:07] <halcyonCorsair> Roey: catch you later
[03:08] <Fa> gentoo?
[03:08] <Fa> compile
[03:08] <Fa> and compile
[03:08] <chris32882> yeah
[03:08] <caveman26> gentoo is a compile it all from source code distro
[03:08] <chris32882> gentoo = major DIY and compile for like 2 days
[03:08] <chris32882> lol
[03:08] <hawkeyex> ok i got a dumb question - but how do I switch to terminal mode from X?
[03:08] <hawkeyex> i need to install a video driver
[03:08] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: you wouldn't happen to know why global shortcuts don't seem to want to work half the time would you?
[03:08] <Fa> gentoo is wanna be bsd
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann_: nope
[03:09] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: darn, because  it's annoying :( it has something to do with focus ... but I thought global shortcuts were umm ... global
[03:09] <caveman26> I been wanting to try gentoo because compiling optomizes everything for your spacific hardware.... but kubuntu is so easy
[03:09] <caveman26> its easyer than windows
[03:09] <caveman26> lol
[03:09] <Fa> lol
[03:09] <cpk1> hawkeyex: why not use apt instead?
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann_: you need "universal" shortcuts I think :P
[03:09] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: hehe, yup
[03:09] <hawkeyex> cpk1: cuz I downloaded the driver from nvidia, and I'm just following instructions
[03:10] <hawkeyex> and nvidia install is puking because i'm running x, and konsole isn't helping
[03:10] <halcyonCorsair> Fa: its fast and its uber customizable, and best of all it doesn't have aptitude doesn't trying to remove everything from your base install for no reason
[03:10] <cpk1> hawkeyex: are you aware though that you don't need to use the nvidia installer and can just use apt instead?
[03:10] <hawkeyex> I just want to be able to use the 3d acceleration
[03:10] <Fa> sorry but i don't want to take a week to install an os
[03:10] <BluesKaj> open a console and cd to the dir the driver DL'd to ..then ./nameofdriver.run (I think ) :)
[03:11] <cpk1> hawkeyex: then install the driver via apt if you havent tried that yet
[03:11] <halcyonCorsair> Fa: well it's not like it doesn't take a few days to get kubuntu sorted
[03:11] <hawkeyex> cpk1: looking into that - didn't think of that before <trouts self>
[03:11] <dennister> caveman26: i was thinking the same thing 6 months ago, wanting to try gentoo so everything is optimized for your hardware, so I did...and it was working fine for quite some time
[03:12] <Fa> and then?
[03:12] <caveman26> ?
[03:12] <dennister> caveman26: now i've barely touched it in months, and it's woefully out of date
[03:12] <cpk1> hawkeyex: unless you specifically want the abolute newest or what is in the repos wont work for yourself you are only making more work for yourself =). just make sure you get the right packages, i believe there are 3 different nvdia drivers in the repos
[03:12] <hawkeyex> yeah - I'm using the GT8500
[03:12] <BluesKaj> dennister, how long did you take to get it right , any idea ?
[03:12] <hawkeyex> and now I'm running into another problem
[03:12] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: which kde4 package do you think deserves the bug report for it?
[03:12] <dennister> i've probably forgotten most of what i learned, lol
[03:12] <odinsbane> crap this upgrade is going to ditch some packages.  Like 'retricted-manager-core.'  does this mean Ill have to reinstall my wireless?
[03:12] <cpk1> i dont think compiling with optimizations adds much difference to how well things run
[03:13] <hawkeyex> it says data incplete in file /etc/X11/xorg-config
[03:13] <cpk1> !nvidia
[03:13] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:13] <hawkeyex> i'll look into it
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann_: kde-workspace
[03:13] <dennister> BluesKaj: sorry i can't remember...perhaps a couple of tries, a few weeks eventually? by the 2nd or 3rd install i think i had the base process down to 2-3 days
[03:13] <sanzky> hi everyone.   The first time I installed it I didn't know what I was doing and I put the 'midnight rider' file manager.
[03:15] <dennister> yes, k/u/xubuntu work and are pretty fast...i really do prefer kde, but must admit i like the lightweight-ness of xubuntu, too, on some machines
[03:15] <chris32882> alright how do I get rid of kde 3 now that I installed kde4 I hate seeing double :(
[03:15] <sanzky> nosrednaekim, do you have problems with the smart playlists? mine doesnt work at all
[03:15] <hawkeyex> cpk1: I'm looking for the "Restricted" section but it seems not to be there
[03:15] <Fa> i have xubuntu installed to try it off then installed kde 3.5.9
[03:16] <dennister> so...hardy people:  dmbfs doesn't exist anymore? replaced by cifs?
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> sanzky: I dont use them
[03:16] <dennister> *smbfs
[03:16] <Fa> i like xfce but i don't like the command line too much
[03:16] <cpk1> hawkeyex: here on kde4 it is in applications > system > hardware drivers manager
[03:17] <caveman26> I liked vector linux... that thing was uber fast... even on a old p2, but the lack of spacific programs I use had me switching back to kubuntu
[03:17] <Fa> yeah
[03:17] <Fa> but it doesn't have enough packages
[03:17] <chris32882> how do I uninstall kde3 now that I installed kde4
[03:17] <Fa> it's too bad
[03:17] <odinsbane> sudo apt-get remove kde3-base ?
[03:18] <Fa> chris you won't like 4 for long
[03:18] <hawkeyex> ok
[03:18] <hawkeyex> i see it - but status says "not in use"
[03:18] <hawkeyex> how do I change it?
[03:18] <BluesKaj> dennister, just did a locate ...still have smbfs installed
[03:18] <cpk1> hawkeyex: for me there is a check box and I just checked it and then it automagically did everything
[03:18] <chris32882> why wont I Fa?
[03:18] <osiris> ok back to sound problems.
[03:18] <Fa> it's slower for one thing and buggy
[03:18] <caveman26> if vector had more packages, or mre spacifically my multimedia programs, I would have suck to vector... just for the 4x speed boost
[03:19] <dennister> hmmm...perhaps its being deprecated over time?
[03:19] <hawkeyex> ah. ok. i just unchecked and checked it
[03:19] <osiris> anyone else have no sound with flash in hardy ?
[03:19] <hawkeyex> it's doing everything now
[03:19] <odinsbane> kde3 is a rock, kde4 ...well everytime I install it I get something different.
[03:19] <osiris> system sounds are also broken.  all other sounds work
[03:19] <hawkeyex> ok, so it's asking for a reboot. So I'll leave
[03:19] <dennister> BluesKaj: i know you did the dist-upgrade...this is a brand new fresh install
[03:19] <Fa> caveman you can't upgrade with vector you have to do a clean install
[03:19] <hawkeyex> and thanks for your help cpk1
[03:19] <hawkeyex> it's appreciated
[03:19] <cpk1> Fa: that's funny kde4 is just as fast if not faster and the only "bugs" are konq sometimes crashes when I close it and when I log out something crashes too
[03:19] <hawkeyex> hardy isn't too bad
[03:19] <Fa> you found it as fast?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> dennister, aha , brand new model  :)
[03:20] <Fa> not me
[03:20] <cpk1> hawkeyex: no problem, hardy is actually the first release where the automagic method for my nvidia card worked
[03:20] <dennister> lol...actually, i just did a locate, too, and it is still here, even though i didn't install smbfs separately
[03:21] <cpk1> as fast if not faster Fa
[03:21] <Fa> i found it slower overall
[03:21] <Fa> maybe the bugs slow it down who knows
[03:21] <marcondes> ola
[03:21] <caveman26> kde4 ran slightly faster on my laptop
[03:21] <marcondes> algum brasileiro
[03:21] <marcondes> ?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> dennister, cuz i use smb:/ in konq to connect to wifeys pc windows shares
[03:21] <dennister> there's definitely a new system group in hardy: sambashare
[03:21] <Fa> konq ran slower
[03:22] <cpk1> cant wait for more widget support too in 4.1 where you can actually download widgets straight from kde-look and have it do the work for you
[03:22] <Fa> much slower for me
[03:22] <cpk1> konq is way better now!
[03:22] <Jucato> !br | marcondes
[03:22] <odinsbane> I found things randomly died
[03:22] <ubotu> marcondes: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[03:22] <Fa> lol
[03:22] <cpk1> it works much better with gmail now
[03:22]  * Jucato points to #kubuntu-kde4
[03:22] <marcondes> perdao
[03:22] <caveman26> konq?  is that konqueror?
[03:22] <cpk1> yes
[03:22] <caveman26> ok
[03:22] <dennister> i had to do absolutely NOTING to get the ALL the laptop's files to show up as a computer in the workgroup, and to show ALL it's files
[03:22] <marcondes> valeu to indo pra la
[03:23] <dennister> nothing to the laptop, that is
[03:23] <Fa> don't get me wrong i like kde 4 but it's just too buggy
[03:23] <caveman26> konqueror has really bad flashplayer support
[03:23] <cpk1> i guess its just a ymmv
[03:23] <caveman26> and no java
[03:23] <Fa> yes caveman
[03:23] <dennister> of course, that's probably an indication of winblows' sooooo-poor security , heheheh
[03:23] <cpk1> errr, you can get java on konqueror
[03:23] <Fa> have you tried swiftweasel?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> cpk1, I still hate the google searchbox jumping cursor ...make mistake and you can only change one letter and the cursor jumps to the last space ...I hate that cuz i make so many typos
[03:24] <Jucato> BluesKaj: turn off autocompletion
[03:24] <Jucato> er.. autosuggest
[03:24] <dennister> Fa: i agree, i did like kde4 at first, but just too buggy
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Jucato, where ?
[03:24] <dennister> brb...need some food
[03:25] <Fa> kde4 on windows will draw a big user base i think
[03:25] <Jucato> BluesKaj: right-click on the Google Search box?
[03:25] <cpk1> my only problems with konquerer is it doesnt seem able to handle youtube? and gmail still gives it trouble, and yes I use kmail with gmail but still occasionally need to use the html interface
[03:25] <caveman26> has any1 figured out a way to speed up myspace? its uber slow with some fancy profiles, but the same ones work and are responsive in windows on machines half the speed of this one
[03:25]  * Jucato sighs... -----> #kubuntu-kde4
[03:26] <odinsbane> Does gmail support pop or does kmail support gmail?
[03:26] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I personally use gg and wp in the location bar.. it's faster that way (if you're feeling lazy, you can set gg to be the default search engine so you don't have to type gg
[03:26] <cpk1> gmail supports pop
[03:26] <cpk1> so you can use kmail with it
[03:26] <Jucato> odinsbane: gmail has pop. kmail supports pop
[03:27] <cpk1> its one of the only email services that has free pop!
[03:27] <hawkeyex> hey
[03:27] <hawkeyex> cpk1: it worked. had the wrong settings, but a fix was corrected
[03:27] <cpk1> i hope it worked hawkeyex
[03:27] <cpk1> cool
[03:28] <cpk1> hardy was the first release that automagically did my video card for me, i was amazed
[03:28] <hawkeyex> yeah, well, it didn't do it right.. so I had to configure it, I guess.
[03:28] <cpk1> usually I have to fiddle around with xorg and whatnot this was a nice breath of fresh air
[03:28] <hawkeyex> it also didn't do the mouse correctly - so after a couple of readings, I got it to work
[03:29] <robotgeek> odinsbane: you have to enable it in your gmail settings
[03:29] <odinsbane> I haven't set up a gmail acct.
[03:29] <hawkeyex> now if I could get my Lifecam VX-1000 to work... (heh)
[03:29] <hawkeyex> damn M$ products
[03:29] <cpk1> I've never tried using a camera =\
[03:29] <robotgeek> odinsbane: ah, okay. there is also some imap support in gmail, i did not like it much though (too slow, too much mail for me)
[03:30] <hawkeyex> oh that reminds me - gotta set up my email.. brb
[03:30] <cpk1> look here though hawkeyex https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:30] <cpk1> see if your camera is there
[03:32] <hawkeyex> how do i check as to what they detect?
[03:32] <cpk1> is openjdk pretty much just as good as the sun one if you are just using i as a client?
[03:33] <chris32882> how do you properly remove kde3?, I just installed kde4, I don't want everything doubled up so I want to get rid of kde3
[03:33] <robotgeek> hawkeyex: a first check would be to unplug your camera, and plug it back in, then look at the output of dmesg
[03:33] <tuoinside> respect my hustle
[03:34] <cpk1> chris32882: everything isnt entirely doubled up, kde4 still uses many kde3 apps
[03:34] <chris32882> yeah but there is a lot of kde 3 apps still, I don't like how they are doubled
[03:35] <chris32882> I can still install the ones I want from adept or terminal
[03:35] <cpk1> might be better off removing them by hand
[03:35] <marcondes> hi
[03:36] <marcondes> my linux sound is not working
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !sound
[03:37] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:38] <Agent_bob> any good gps interfaces in the repos ?
[03:38] <hawkeyex> oops - hit the power button
[03:38] <dwidmann_> That arts part of the message might want to change itself ... 'specially seeing as kde4 doesn't use it.
[03:38] <hawkeyex> and nvidia didn't save my settings
[03:38] <marcondes> all players is on, but the god damn sound is not working
[03:38] <hawkeyex> quick question - if I want to have full admin control over my computer, should I change my group to root?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> hawkeyex: no... don't do that
[03:39] <hawkeyex> or do you suggest something else?
[03:39] <Agent_bob> !bug | dwidmann_ see the half of this about ubotu
[03:39] <ubotu> dwidmann_ see the half of this about ubotu: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[03:39] <cpk1> hawkeyex: you already have full admin control, use sudo
[03:39] <hawkeyex> cpk1: but X isn't saving the settings
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> hawkeyex: you can enable the root account, sure.. but don't make yourself root :)
[03:39] <hawkeyex> would admin group be a better choice?
[03:39] <cpk1> isnt saving what settings?
[03:40] <Odd-rationale> Why when I create a new session, it creates it on vt9 not vt8?
[03:40] <cpk1> hawkeyex: if you are using the account that you installed ubuntu with then you are in sudoers and that should be all you need
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: yeah.. Ubuntu made vt8 the first
[03:40] <hawkeyex> nvidia isn't not being saved
[03:40] <Agent_bob> hawkeyex if you change your group to root you will lose all admin control
[03:40] <hawkeyex> it's not saving at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:40] <hawkeyex> ok
[03:40] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: so that is normal?
[03:40] <cpk1> hawkeyex: you need to open it using sudo
[03:41] <Fa> anyone install selinux?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: I guess so :P
[03:41] <hawkeyex> ah got it
[03:41] <cpk1> hawkeyex: for instance if you use nano it would be "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" if you use a graphical app like kate use kdesu
[03:41] <hawkeyex> so I put it on the run dialog, and now it's working :P
[03:42] <BluesKaj> save the file , hawkeyex
[03:42] <hawkeyex> I did
[03:42] <hawkeyex> I couldn't earlier
[03:42] <hawkeyex> now to figure out where the hell kmail is..
[03:42] <BluesKaj> kdesudo with GUIs on hardy
[03:42] <hawkeyex> k
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> !ati
[03:43] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <BluesKaj> hawkeyex, kontact in the kmenu
[03:43] <hawkeyex> what do you guys use for mail? kmail?
[03:43] <dwidmann_> nosrednaekim: Odd-rationale: I think 7 is still the first though .... seems like vt8 being unavailable is usplash related or some such
[03:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:43] <Fa> i use webmail
[03:43] <cpk1> i use kmail
[03:44] <hawkeyex> k, found it
[03:44] <robotgeek> i use kmail
[03:44] <Fa> never used kmail
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann_: not for me..
[03:44] <Fa> lol kde folks trying to take over the browser market too?
[03:44] <dwidmann_> kmail isn't bad ... but it doesn't behave well enough with imap :(
[03:44] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann_: yeah, seems like vt7 is first.
[03:46] <Agent_bob> what ever you do; don't set a root password by using "sudo passwd root".  and never ever enable "k/g/x"dm to allow root login, by editing /etc/<kde#/kdm|gdm|xdm>/?dm.conf configuration file.     and what ever you do, DO NOT; login graphically as root.
[03:46] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:46] <cpk1> Agent_bob: how do you set the password if not using sudo passwd root?
[03:46] <Agent_bob> now don't get on to me for telling people how to do that.
[03:47] <Agent_bob> cpk1 you don't use   sudo passwd root
[03:47] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:47] <maduser> tis there is no root
[03:47] <maduser> there is root jr
[03:47] <Agent_bob> there is also root
[03:48] <Agent_bob> that's how root jr.  works.
[03:48] <maduser> ?
[03:48]  * Yoshi_Matrix listens intently
[03:48] <maduser> but you can only run as root jr
[03:48] <Agent_bob> root jr.   puts on root's shoes to walk around the system
[03:48] <Odd-rationale> is there a way to move what is on vt8 to vt6 so that i can use vt8 to start new session?
[03:48] <hawkeyex> okay
[03:48] <maduser> oh i see
[03:49] <maduser> you can log in as root
[03:49] <hawkeyex> I'm up and running... someone grab me
[03:49] <hawkeyex>  :P
[03:49] <maduser> but you can do root stuff
[03:49] <hawkeyex> do you guys use filters to clear out spam?
[03:49] <Agent_bob> maduser correct.   and if you set a root password you can even login as root
[03:50] <Yoshi_Matrix> I have been using SpamAssasin hawkeyex
[03:50] <maduser> I use the adative filter on thunderbird
[03:50] <Yoshi_Matrix> and I'm using evolution as the client, and yeah i do the same with thunderbird
[03:51] <cpk1> somehow my gmail account doesnt get spam
[03:51]  * Agent_bob sets his mailbox to /dev/null
[03:51] <Yoshi_Matrix> lol
[03:51] <Fa> yeah i don't get much spam
[03:51] <Fa> gmail rocks
[03:52] <hawkeyex> ok.
[03:52] <hawkeyex> next question: xbindkeys - I need to put that in my startup (or the mouse doesn't work right) - how do I fix that?
[03:53] <caveman26> well im running hardy now
[03:53] <caveman26> one problem... the upgrade broke my nvidia drivers
[03:53] <hawkeyex> yeah
[03:54] <hawkeyex> I had the same problem caveman - got it fixed and working now
[03:54] <hawkeyex> I have nvidia GeForce 8500GT
[03:54] <hawkeyex> oh yeah, that reminds me - gotta test something
[03:54] <caveman26> I have geforce4 mx440 go
[03:54] <caveman26> I wish it was 64MB insted of 32... I cant run compiz because of that
[03:55] <hawkeyex> extreme tux racer runs smoothly now :P
[03:55] <Yoshi_Matrix> yeah I am having a problem in finding a driver for my install of Hardy I have an ATI Mobile Radeon. My display is running fine but there are things I can't do because of the driver not being correct
[03:55] <Fa> like what?
[03:56] <caveman26> im using that stupid lil 2D only nv driver
[03:56] <caveman26> lol
[03:56] <Yoshi_Matrix> well I can't even use the Normal settings
[03:56] <Yoshi_Matrix> just the default
[03:56] <Fa> i just use default
[03:57] <Yoshi_Matrix> I did download an ati driver from a repository but i don't think it helped lol
[03:57] <caveman26> I had to make a custom edid file for it to work on my gutsy install, can I install the new driver and use my old xorg.config for that edid file?
[03:57] <odinsbane> peace out
[03:58] <Fa> i don't even bother
[03:58] <Fa> all i do is watch some movies that's about it
[03:59] <caveman26> well I do a lot of youtube... and I noticed the real nvidia drivers made for a good speed boost
[03:59] <Fa> mind you i just started using ubuntu again
[03:59] <Fa> I didn't like 7 at all
[04:00] <Agent_bob> early seven or late seven ?    or both ?
[04:00] <Fa> early 7
[04:01] <Fa> i can't stand desktopbsd anymore
[04:01] <Fa> with is based on freebsd the os is not stable enough
[04:01] <Fa> which
[04:02] <Makuseru> what do i need to install for K3B to burn MP3s as an audio CD?
[04:03] <dwidmann_> libk3b2-extracodecs
[04:03] <dwidmann_> I think
[04:03] <Agent_bob> !info libk3b2-mp3
[04:03] <ubotu> Package libk3b2-mp3 does not exist in hardy
[04:03] <Jucato> !info libk3b2-extracodecs
[04:03] <ubotu> libk3b2-extracodecs (source: k3b): The KDE cd burning application library - extra decoders. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4-2ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 28 kB, installed size 132 kB
[04:04] <Agent_bob> !info libk3b2-mp3 dapper
[04:04] <Makuseru> thanks everyonr
[04:04] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3 (source: k3b): The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 96 kB
[04:04] <Makuseru> everyone*
[04:06] <Agent_bob> !info mp32ogg
[04:06] <ubotu> mp32ogg (source: mp32ogg): Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-9 (hardy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[04:07] <hawkeyex> extreme tux racer is cool :P
[04:07] <hawkeyex> so anyone know what I can do about putting xbindkeys in startup?
[04:07] <hawkeyex> anyone?
[04:09] <Agent_bob> !startup
[04:09] <ubotu> To make programs start up automatically when you log into your KDE session, run all programs that you want to be started and close all other programs, then select 'Save Session' in the K menu. Alternatively, create a !symlink to the wanted program in ~/.kde/Autostart - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[04:15] <dsmith_> hi, I have purged and install thunderbird, three times
[04:15] <dsmith_> bbut its not showing in kmenu
[04:15] <dsmith_> am I missing something/
[04:15] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: can you add it manually?
[04:16] <Agent_bob> config kmenu to show all apps
[04:16] <dsmith_> well I do have the <IP_ADDRESS> version d/l'd but I canot get that to install or even run?
[04:16] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: kde 3 or 4?
[04:16] <dsmith_> Agent_bob: I tried that
[04:16] <dsmith_> kde3
[04:17] <dsmith_> I did move my /home directtory to its own partition
[04:17] <dsmith_> firefox worked fine...afterwards, not tbird..
[04:18] <dsmith_> when I install from the repos
[04:18] <dsmith_> it goes here.. /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird
[04:18] <dsmith_> run-mozilla.sh wont run
[04:21] <Trophyhead> hello? anyone here? =)
[04:21] <uten> yeh
[04:22] <uten> abou 308 ppl
[04:22] <uten> about
[04:22] <uten> *
[04:22] <Trophyhead> hmm k,..
[04:22] <Hawkeye-X> most of them are drunk though.
[04:23] <epimeth> I'm shooooo not drunk *hic*
[04:23] <epimeth> jusht a little tipshy
[04:24] <Trophyhead> anyone else having issues with the legacy graphics acellerator package?,
[04:24] <uten> i not sure monitor jus seem to be wobblin all day
[04:24] <uten> lol
[04:24] <uten> i joke, ahmmm not havent had any issues
[04:24] <epimeth> nope... but I'm not using it either
[04:24] <Hawkeye-X> heh. does anyone know how to tell me how to add xbindkeys on startup?
[04:25] <Hawkeye-X> pretty please with $FRUIT_OF_CHOICE on top
[04:25] <dsmith_> ./startup ?
[04:26] <Hawkeye-X> so I vi that and add xbindkeys - and that's it?
[04:26] <epimeth> assert $FRUIT_OF_CHOICE='more scotch'
[04:27] <Trophyhead> I use to like to play tremulos, with (gutsy) but the 3d acell on this reads my montier as 800x600?, tho it's a 21" sony trinatron = (
[04:27] <eddieftw> offtopic kthanksbai
[04:27] <caveman26> what does this mean?
[04:28] <caveman26> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:28] <caveman26>  /var/cache/apt/archives/konqueror-kde4_4%3a4.0.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:28] <caveman26> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:28] <caveman26> caveman@caveman-laptop:~$
[04:28] <caveman26> my upgrade isnt going too well
[04:28] <rnartos> may system tray icons are dislocated or missing everytime I start KDE with compiz
[04:28] <dsmith_> I added tbird in kmeu manually but its not working still
[04:28] <epimeth> rnartos: yea, mine too... I think its a known bug...
[04:28] <dsmith_> known bug
[04:28] <dsmith_> does it on mine
[04:29] <rnartos> no fix on it right now?
[04:29] <dsmith_> not that I know off
[04:30] <Trophyhead> oh well if I don't find any cool new things on (hardy) I'm swithching back to (gutsy), having too many problems, = (
[04:30] <uten> or jus go on helpin hardy
[04:30] <uten> troubleshoot
[04:31] <dsmith_> damn I feel like a dummy
[04:31] <dsmith_> hha
[04:31] <dsmith_> the command is "mozilla-thunderbird"
[04:31] <dsmith_> lmfao
[04:31] <Trophyhead> basically I'm not a puter geek, if it won't work with a click on a box I can't fix it haha
[04:32] <lethis> lol
[04:32] <uten> u can fix things by jus reportin the bug here or stuff
[04:32] <uten> everyone plays a part
[04:33] <lethis> Hi ppl hmmm well i dont know what part i am from because i am new here
[04:33] <lethis> lol
[04:33] <lethis> Can some one pls help
[04:33] <epimeth> !ask | lethis
[04:33] <ubotu> lethis: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[04:34] <Agent_bob> is the problem with the konq package a .postinst script error ?
[04:34] <lethis> Can Kubunto linux run serverss like Solaris OS
[04:35] <Agent_bob> remove the    set -e     and make sure it's  #!/bin/bash
[04:36] <Agent_bob> lethis can it do it like solaris does ?  no.    can it run servers   telnet ftp irc mail http and friends...
[04:37] <Agent_bob> late.   and lag.
[04:38] <monkeybritches> lethis: Theoretically, in a virtual machine, if supported
[04:38] <epimeth> lethis is gone gone gone!
[04:39] <monkeybritches> I'm slow tonight :)
[04:39]  * Hawkeye-X whips monkeybritches
[04:39] <monkeybritches> YOWCH!
[04:39] <Hawkeye-X> there. you're fast :P
[04:39] <monkeybritches> For some reason I respond well to physical pain
[04:40] <Agent_bob> -:- CTCP PING reply from Agent_bob: 60.037 seconds
[04:41] <epimeth> whats mine?
[04:41] <Agent_bob> /ping yourself   and see
[04:42] <epimeth> 0 seconds! YES!
[04:42]  * epimeth churns some butter
[04:42] <gothicd3vil> hi
[04:43] <epimeth> hi samuel :-p
[04:45] <Agent_bob> we're being invaded with andrews...
[04:46] <gothicd3vil> hi, hey can somebody can tell me a good media player?
[04:46] <gothicd3vil> music
[04:46] <Agent_bob> heh oops.
[04:46] <epimeth> ?
[04:46] <epimeth> gothicd3vil: amarok
[04:46] <epimeth> gothicd3vil: its installed by default....
[04:46] <gothicd3vil> how can i get that?
[04:46] <Agent_bob> sox   but you wont like it.
[04:47] <gothicd3vil> is that i'm using right now kubuntu but i was using ubuntu this morning
[04:47] <Agent_bob> vlc is good too.
[04:47] <epimeth> gothicd3vil: did you install kubuntu-desktop or just kde?
[04:47]  * epimeth doesn't like vlc
[04:48] <Agent_bob> !packages | gothicd3vil
[04:48] <ubotu> gothicd3vil: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[04:49] <gothicd3vil> kubuntu 6.06
[04:50] <epimeth> so amarok should be installed
[04:50] <epimeth> alt+f2 amarok
[04:51] <gothicd3vil> yeap, but the problem is that the music that i have is that the music is in the format of itunes
[04:52] <epimeth> a4c?
[04:52] <epimeth> ew
[04:52] <epimeth> install wine and iTunes then... I don't know if anything plays them....
[04:53] <Agent_bob> mp3 ?
[04:53] <gothicd3vil> mp4
[04:53] <gothicd3vil> wine?
[04:53] <epimeth> no, a4c... apple's encoding standard
[04:53] <Agent_bob> !wine
[04:53] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[04:53] <epimeth> if it was mp4 you could run it in amarok....
[04:54] <epimeth> Wine Is Not an Emulator :-)
[04:54] <Agent_bob> !info wine dapper
[04:54] <gothicd3vil> thanks
[04:54] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[04:54] <madkhen> sorry the off-topic, but anyone knows if there is a way to set up a VPN without a VPN server? I mean, 4 friends are connected through a switch and they want their connection to be secured against those others connected to the same switch
[04:54] <Agent_bob> epimeth notice the version  ^^^   he's  running dapper
[04:54] <gothicd3vil> jajaja thats what i like from linux
[04:55] <coreymon77> epimeth: doesnt itunes have a right click option to convert songs to aac
[04:55] <coreymon77> epimeth: and cant any linux player out there play aac?
[04:55] <coreymon77> or convert aac to something else?
[04:55] <gothicd3vil> ubuntu is the same as dapper?
[04:55] <Agent_bob> careful the version
[04:55] <gothicd3vil> is that kubuntu is not in the list
[04:56] <epimeth> I don't think I was able to play them in gutsy... haven't tried in hardy
[04:56] <epimeth> dapper is the 6.06 version... we are now on "hardy" which is the 8.04 version
[04:56] <Agent_bob> gothicd3vil dapper drake is the version of ubuntu you specifed
[04:56] <coreymon77> epimeth: isnt there a aac converter?
[04:57] <coreymon77> epimeth: cant LAME do it?
[04:57] <Agent_bob> !version
[04:57] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[04:57] <epimeth> not that I found.... but I haven't tried in 6 months, either....
[04:57] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  While I have figured out to get Hardy to actually load my desktop and use my graphics card the GUI just feels slow.  3D acceleration and lots of other good stuff works but maximizing windows and scrolling down are slow.  This didn't happen when I used Feisty.  Any ideas?
[04:57] <gothicd3vil> !version
[04:57] <Agent_bob> !release
[04:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:57] <gothicd3vil> !shell
[04:57] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:59] <coreymon77> epimeth: quick googling should give us an answer
[04:59] <etfb> Ertain: This is a long shot, but I noticed that different video drivers had wildly different performance.  The vesa driver was horribly slow, for example.  Can you try a different driver?
[05:00] <epimeth> Ertain: disable the desktop effects....
[05:00] <epimeth> Ertain: dunno where exactly tho...
[05:00] <Agent_bob> "<ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful."   <<<   464 terodyns
[05:00] <coreymon77> epimeth: oh hehe, itunes uses drm
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> samuel@samuel-laptop:~$ lsb_release -a
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> No LSB modules are available.
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> Release:        6.06
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> Codename:       dapper
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> samuel@samuel-laptop:~$
[05:00] <coreymon77> epimeth: you would have to go about burning your library to disc and then ripping it
[05:00] <gothicd3vil> thats what i get
[05:01] <epimeth> !paste | gothicd3vil
[05:01] <ubotu> gothicd3vil: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:01] <gothicd3vil> sorry
[05:01] <epimeth> its all right :-)
[05:02] <epimeth> coreymon77: which is why I set my iTunes to rip mp3s instead :-)
[05:02] <coreymon77> epimeth: i thought we were talking about itunes store stuff
[05:03] <Agent_bob> !drm | yuch
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <epimeth> coreymon77: buy music?  me?  only if its got a "+" by it :-)
[05:04] <Agent_bob> drm == digital restriction mechanism
[05:05] <coreymon77> Agent_bob: i believe the term is digital rights management
[05:06] <Agent_bob> coreymon77 you say potato i say...
[05:06] <epimeth> Agent_bob: I'm with you....
[05:06] <sorteal> I'm curious about other peoples opinions about Dolphin vs Konqueror
[05:07] <epimeth> Dolphin all the way
[05:07] <jonathan__> Whenever I close my laptop's lid and re-open it, the screen is black (as if it is turned off) and won't wake up. How can I fix this?
[05:07] <Odd-rationale> dolphin doesnt have tabs and you can only split in half...
[05:08] <Agent_bob> sorteal i have seen a lot of "how to i change from dolphin to konqueror" questions,   so it may not be as well recieved as some would like.
[05:08] <sorteal> My complaint is minor and maybe someone knows how to add it to Dolphin but I must say I miss the copy to and move to option
[05:08] <epimeth> why do you need either in a file manager?
[05:08] <epimeth> its not like you can copy a file to 3 places at once....
[05:09] <sorteal> It's just a nice feature and I find myself missing it
 its not like you can copy a file to 3 places at once... <<< as a cli user, i can  :)
[05:09] <haker> is there a movie editor for kubuntu?
[05:09] <gothicd3vil> which version is better hardy or remix?
[05:09] <epimeth> sorteal: I was talking to Odd-rationale
[05:09] <jonathan__> Whenever I close my laptop's lid and re-open it, the screen is black (as if it is turned off) and won't wake up. How can I fix this?
[05:10] <Y-Town> .
[05:10] <sorteal> Ha Ha oh sorry
[05:10] <epimeth> Agent_bob: how?  I thought I can specify multiple files to one target, not the other way around?
[05:10] <Odd-rationale> epimeth: I like tabs. :)
[05:10] <epimeth> sorteal: as for you, I have no idea....
[05:10] <MrJoey> jonathan__> There are a lot of suspend problems on Linux still.  What are your specs?
[05:10] <epimeth> Odd-rationale: tabs are for websites, not folders! :-p
[05:10] <jonathan__> I'm on a thinkpad x60. What specs are you looking for? I'm on Kubuntu 8.04
[05:11] <jonathan__> I have a dual-screen setup
[05:11] <MrJoey> I guess those :)
[05:11] <jonathan__> interestingly enough, when I re-open the lid, the external monitor reactivates, while the laptop LCD remains dead
[05:11] <MrJoey> Have you had suspend problems on earlier releases?
[05:11] <jonathan__> No, it used to work
[05:11] <gothicd3vil> which version of kubuntu is better Hardy or KD4 Remix?
[05:12] <sorteal> I like Hardy KDE 4 is still buggy I recommend you wait till KDE 4.1
[05:12] <Agent_bob> epimeth for q in list of places ;do cp blah $q ;done
[05:12] <epimeth> go bash scripting! :-)
[05:13] <Odd-rationale> gothicd3vil: I'd reccomend getting the rock solid kde 3 version and install kubuntu-kde4-desktop on top if you really want it.
[05:13] <epimeth> gothicd3vil: yea, definitely wait til kde4.1
[05:13] <MrJoey> jonathan> My guess is that perhaps some verification steps during X startup and virtual terminal switch were removed for speedy X startup at the cost of problems like these
[05:13] <MrJoey> If you remove the monitor, does resume work just fine?
[05:13] <MrJoey> I mean the external monitor
[05:14] <jonathan__> I don't know, I'll have to try it. It'll probably mess everything up if I remove the monitor, linux doesn't seem to be very good with keeping up on hardware changes like that
[05:14] <MrJoey> Perhaps you should shut down, remove the external monitor, then start back up to see what happens (to have a more controlled experiment)
[05:14] <jonathan__> ok
[05:14] <jonathan__> I'll be back in a bit
[05:14] <MrJoey> Okay
[05:15] <Agent_bob> or learn to use a console for emergencies
[05:16] <Agent_bob> console is "probably" still on the primary display
[05:16] <sorteal> Any idea how to get thumbnails to work in both Dolphin and the desktop (which I assume is still Konqueror based)? Got Dolphin to work with MPlayer thumbnailer but still won't thumbnail on the desktop.
[05:17] <Agent_bob> i haven't played with multi-headed pinguins much.  but what little i have the console/s staied put when you moved x around.
[05:24] <Agent_bob> !info gpsman
[05:24] <ubotu> gpsman (source: gpsman): A GPS manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.3.2-1 (hardy), package size 1161 kB, installed size 4412 kB
[05:28] <gothicd3vil> !wine
[05:28] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[05:28] <gothicd3vil> !AppDB
[05:28] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[05:29] <Agent_bob> !windows
[05:29] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[05:32] <epimeth> lol!  that was priceless
[05:32] <epimeth> but windows isn't a bug... its a virus
[05:32] <Agent_bob> ?
[05:33] <eddieftw> not true epimeth
[05:33] <Agent_bob> lol oh that     yeah
[05:33] <eddieftw> virus' don't have cures.
[05:33] <Agent_bob> or maybe it's a virus that is buggy ?
[05:33] <epimeth> the launchpad bug
[05:34] <epimeth> oh... wait... my bad.  the quote was "windows is not a virus, its a bug"
[05:34] <flaccid> is anybody else having logout hard crash, usually with ati restricted driver in hardy? i have submitted a bug and noticed at least 2 other people with this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/223445 ; wondering if there are any other bug reports to amalgamate
[05:36] <yinni> a
[05:36] <yinni> hola
[05:36] <yinni> hi
[05:37] <Agent_bob> !es
[05:37] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:45] <holyguyver> No one was helping me in Ubuntu, maybe you guys can
[05:45] <holyguyver> mplayer crashed & then after it crashed all apps in ubuntu gutsy stopped making sound, I restarted my computer but still no sound, please help me
[05:46] <sorteal> holyguyver : did you try a reinstall of your drivers?
[05:46] <flaccid> !sound | holyguyver
[05:46] <ubotu> holyguyver: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:46] <holyguyver> no
[05:46] <flaccid> also check logs like /var/log/messages
[05:46] <holyguyver> I already asked ubotu about sound
[05:46] <holyguyver> none of the troubleshoots worked
[05:47] <flaccid> holyguyver: try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
[05:47] <flaccid> what does that return, holyguyver?
[05:47] <sorteal> I had similar problems in Mandriva and a driver reinatall helped me. Never had that issue in Kubuntu though.
[05:47] <MrJoey> holyguyver> What version are you on?  Gutsy?  Hardy?
[05:47] <sorteal> install
[05:47] <flaccid> also what is in kmix, is there a soundcard?
[05:47] <holyguyver> this was the response Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
[05:47] <holyguyver> but no sound
[05:48] <flaccid> holyguyver: goto kmix and alsamixer and make sure the volume is turned up and not switched off
[05:48] <holyguyver> I said in my question that I am on Gutsy
[05:48] <Agent_bob> flaccid he said "gnome" not kde.  but wasn't getting help in #ubntu
[05:48] <MrJoey> oh, sorry
[05:48] <holyguyver> Yes the valume is up I alrewdy checked that
[05:48] <MrJoey> Gutsy uses the ALSA sound system rather than Pulse, if that points you in the right direction a bit.
[05:48] <flaccid> Agent_bob: thus why i said alsamixer..
[05:48] <MrJoey> alsamixer is nice and simple; use that :)
[05:49] <MrJoey> Make sure PCM is turned up, too
[05:49] <flaccid> well if the mixer is right and aplay returns no errors, i have no idea what else to do...
[05:49] <Agent_bob> flaccid yeah.  i'm lagging about 40 sec.
[05:49] <flaccid> np
[05:49] <flaccid> holyguyver: submit a bug
[05:49] <flaccid> that is if you are confident that the problem is not hardware..
[05:50] <holyguyver> As I said what happened was MPlayer crashed & for some reason it killed all of my sound, & even a restart of my computer did not fix it
[05:50] <sorteal> holyguyver : try a reinstall then report a bug if that doesn't work
[05:50] <holyguyver> I have had sound in Gutsy for the past 3 days
[05:50] <MrJoey> Or just stick in the Live CD and see if that has sound.
[05:50] <holyguyver> reinstall what?
[05:50] <sorteal> reinstall of alsa not Gutsy
[05:50] <holyguyver> look I already said the sound worked until 5 minutes ago
[05:50] <djdarkman_> hello can someone tell me how can I forward the ssh port trough a router?
[05:51] <flaccid> just submit a bug if you are confident its not hardware. i mean what else can you do...
[05:51] <holyguyver> I did not change anything in this tike, all that happened was mplayer crashed
[05:51] <flaccid> djdarkman: check the router's manual. use port forward usually
[05:51] <Agent_bob> reinstall alsa ?
[05:51] <flaccid> holyguyver: these things happen
[05:51] <sorteal> Go into Adept and try to reinstall also if that doesn't work then submit a bug
[05:51] <sorteal> sorry synaptic
[05:51] <MrJoey> Did you turn off your computer all the way, wait for some time, then turn it back on?  That could clear any hardware oddities.
[05:52] <MrJoey> However, I would regard this as a software bug nevertheless.
[05:52] <sorteal> yes alsa sorry
[05:52] <djdarkman_> fla
[05:52] <Agent_bob> holyguyver hmm you have been in here for five minutes,   either your chronology is bogus, or else you flatly lied about asking in #ubuntu  and not being helped...      but that's off topic i guess.
[05:53] <djdarkman_> flaccid: but what ports does shh use?
[05:53] <sorteal> Agent bob : that is a great handle
[05:53] <flaccid> djdarkman_: 22
[05:53] <holyguyver> my conology wis off :p
[05:53] <holyguyver> There I reinstalled alsa, now do I have to restart my comp?
[05:53] <flaccid> like i seriously don't know how to troubleshoot further if aplay works and mixer is fine and hardware is non-faulty
[05:54] <flaccid> holyguyver: don't, just do sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[05:54] <flaccid> then try aplay holyguyver
[05:54] <sorteal> just do ctr-alt=backspace
[05:54] <flaccid> sorteal: never advise doing that unless X has crashed!
[05:54] <sorteal> why?
[05:54] <kubuntu> my kubuntu hardy frezzes when i watch flash
[05:55] <flaccid> sorteal: because its hard kills X instead of a graceful logout to which sends the right signal so processes can close properly and save configs
[05:55] <holyguyver> what do I type in to try that noise sound again?
[05:55] <kubuntu> with compiz enabled it frezzes frequently
[05:55] <sorteal> never had any issue with it yet
[05:55] <rickey> has anyone repooorted trouble with BMPx  with 804
[05:55] <sorteal> but I don't do it with progs running
[05:55] <flaccid> sorteal: that doesn't conclude anything. there is a right way and there are wrong ways.
[05:55] <flaccid> holyguyver: aplay /sound/file.wav
[05:55] <sorteal> sorry guess I should have said that
[05:56] <flaccid> sorteal: its wrong.
[05:56] <holyguyver> nope still nothing
[05:56] <flaccid> holyguyver: ok so submit a bug.
[05:56] <flaccid> case closed.
[05:56] <Agent_bob> !worksforme | too sorteal
[05:56] <ubotu> too sorteal: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[05:56] <holyguyver> I am, I am submitting a bug right now in here as I want this problem fixed now
[05:56] <flaccid> holyguyver: we all want our problems fixed now, but in reality that is rare
[05:57] <rickey> i have installed my restrictives and my radio streams work with amaork but not bmpx
[05:57] <holyguyver> BUt it was only caused by a crash of mplayer, should that neral it down to something
[05:57] <rickey> and they broth use xine engen to play
[05:58] <Agent_bob> holyguyver it's your software.   if you want it fixed fast.  you fix it.
[05:58] <flaccid> holyguyver: you don't know that the mplayer crash caused it. something else could of caused mplayer to crash which is the problem. you have no conclusive evidence, but you can include this behaviour description in the bug
[05:58] <flaccid> lets move on
[05:58] <sorteal> to?
[05:58] <holyguyver> Yes I do know that caused it because I know what caused the mplayer crash
[05:59] <flaccid> holyguyver: prove it.
[05:59] <flaccid> holyguyver: what caused it, you didn't specify before..
[05:59] <sorteal> flaccid : what is your problem
[06:00] <flaccid> sorteal: i don't have a problem?
[06:00] <Agent_bob> !bmpx
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bmpx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <holyguyver> I tried to play a stream of a flv file from youtube, it caused a laod fuzz noise & crashed mplayer I restarted mplayer 4 times & every time I streamed it, it crashed until eventually my speakers froze with a crackaling sound & no sound since.
[06:00] <flaccid> i just don't like making assumptions
[06:00] <redaksi> ??
[06:00] <Agent_bob> oh i've stopped lagging.   way cool
[06:00] <flaccid> holyguyver: unfortunately that doesn't prove anything
[06:00] <rickey> agent bob what can you tell me about bmpx
[06:01] <sorteal> flaccid : this isn't court he's needs help if you can't help (like I can't) then shut up
[06:01] <djdarkman_> can someone give me a tip on how to set up a fast and secure VNC server?
[06:01] <holyguyver> I had a similar problem happen before in which people in Ubutnu helped me salve it, but that was about 5 months ago.
[06:01] <Agent_bob> rickey nothing.
[06:01] <flaccid> !language | sorteal
[06:01] <rickey> agent bob doosent amaork and bmpx run off of the xine engen
[06:01] <ubotu> sorteal: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:01] <Agent_bob> rickey never heard of bmpx until now
[06:01] <flaccid> sorteal: i have helped. please watch your language.
[06:02] <sorteal> what language?
[06:02] <flaccid> !vnc | djdarkman_
[06:02] <ubotu> djdarkman_: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:02] <Agent_bob> rickey i was hoping that the bot knew something so i !bmpx 'd it.
[06:02] <rickey> dose anyone know of a good room  for bmpx
[06:02] <holyguyver> my speakers are still making a crackaling sound constantly though ever since the crash
[06:02] <rickey>  no i didnt respond
[06:03] <rickey> no it didnt
[06:03] <flaccid> holyguyver: have you tried different speakers. sounds like hardware possibly..
[06:03] <holyguyver> No it is not hardware
[06:03] <sorteal> holyguyver : is it possible it's something as simple as bad speakers?
[06:03] <holyguyver> flaccid why can't you just believe me when I tell you something
[06:03] <flaccid> holyguyver: because i need real evidence, not assumptions
[06:04] <holyguyver> Guysa the speakers where fine moments ago (before this)
[06:04] <Agent_bob> holyguyver i believe you  :)
[06:04] <holyguyver> This is not assumptions
[06:04] <sorteal> flaccid : are you a lawyer?
[06:04] <flaccid> !offtopic | sorteal
[06:04] <ubotu> sorteal: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:04] <flaccid> holyguyver: they are assumptions. you don't have a POC>
[06:04] <rickey> can we play nice here now childeren
[06:04] <flaccid> can we move on?
[06:05] <holyguyver> Flaccid I have had this problem before, I have been through a fix for it already, & am have tried out all of the things you asked me to do, most of them before I even logged into irc, so I believe my assumptions are accerate
[06:06] <sorteal> flaccid : then help someone else and ignore holyguyver and the people who talk to him
[06:06] <flaccid> holyguyver: i can't help you any further sorry. if someone here could help, they probably would :(
[06:07] <Agent_bob> holyguyver i don't know what sound server you DE is using, probably esound/esd  but i sujest on looking in the 'gnome-control-center' for a way to restart/fine tune your sound server.
[06:07] <flaccid> sorteal: don't tell me what to do.
[06:07] <holyguyver> Now before I came in here I suspected that it simply was that alsa needed to be restarted, but when I restarted my computer & have now since then reinstalled alsa I see that can't be the cause, so what all else would interupt transmission of the signal to make the sounds?
[06:07] <Agent_bob> flaccid: bad day ?
[06:07] <flaccid> Agent_bob: nah i just don't like running around in circles...
[06:07] <sorteal> Agent_bob : Ha Ha
[06:08] <Agent_bob> k
[06:10] <Agent_bob> holyguyver you could test killing gdm and from a console playing a sound to see that the system is still in a usable state.  aplay will work from there.
[06:10] <holyguyver> gdm Gnome?Manager?
[06:11] <Agent_bob> assuming that it's a sound server issue (i.e. only affecting your gui) then you will have narrowed the problem greatly.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> !gdm
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <Agent_bob> !info gdm
[06:11] <ubotu> gdm (source: gdm): GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.20.5-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 1842 kB, installed size 15608 kB
[06:11] <flaccid> im not sure how thats going to help
[06:12] <Agent_bob> ummm convince you that his speakers still work   :)))
[06:12] <flaccid> i would recommend booting from a livecd and seeing if sound works out of the box there and if it still does then wait for the bug result..
[06:12] <holyguyver> How about this for you I dual boot & my speakers work with Windows
[06:12] <flaccid> Agent_bob: hmm ^^ that might be better for that imho
[06:13] <flaccid> holyguyver: ok then wait for result of bug report.
[06:13] <Agent_bob> flaccid hehhe maybe.
[06:13] <holyguyver> jbkrgureh Yes you stupid freaks sound works out of the box it worked one hour ago in ubuntu
[06:13] <flaccid> please don't expect problems to be solved immediately
[06:13] <flaccid> !language | holyguyver
[06:13] <ubotu> holyguyver: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:13] <Frederick> folks how can I have pt-br support in kile?
[06:14] <holyguyver> FLacid it is just making me angry that you keep questioning weather it works out of the box when it worked an hour ago out of the box.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> if it doesn't work from console  then a visit to #alsa might be productive.  if it does then that is not the place for this issue.  and it's likely something in ~/
[06:14] <flaccid> holyguyver: thats because you keep repeating yourself when we have tried as much as we can to help you!
[06:15] <holyguyver> I am reapeting myself because I am trying to tell you something that you keep on asking me
[06:15] <Agent_bob> !fight
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fight - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <flaccid> !repeat | holyguyver
[06:15] <ubotu> holyguyver: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:16] <holyguyver> Here I will repeate it again, my speakers work, my sound worked out of the box with ubuntu until an hour ago, it worked in ubuntu for the past 3 day, I did not update any drivers in this time.
[06:16]  * Agent_bob feels ignored...
[06:17] <flaccid> holyguyver: like ubotu said, don't repeat!
[06:17] <fvazquezp> hola
[06:17] <fvazquezp> hi
[06:17] <holyguyver> back to you as you keep repeating the questions so I am simply answering your repeates
[06:17] <fvazquezp> quien esta en linea
[06:18] <fvazquezp> sososo
[06:18] <Jucato> !es | fvazquezp
[06:18] <ubotu> fvazquezp: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[06:18] <fvazquezp> soekfoekfgorgytof
[06:18] <fvazquezp> hello
[06:18] <fvazquezp> how are you
[06:18] <fvazquezp> hi
[06:18] <flaccid> Jucato: holyguyver is becoming a problem
[06:18] <Jucato> holyguyver: calling people "stupid freaks" is not going to help you get help faster
[06:18] <fvazquezp> hi
[06:18] <fvazquezp> hi
[06:18] <sorteal> Agent_Bob : sorry been away, don't feel ignored :)
[06:19] <fvazquezp> dont worry
[06:19] <holyguyver> Jucato my dear friend, you have helped me with so many problems in the past maybe even this ones earlier incarnation 5 months ago, can you please help me :)
[06:19] <Jucato> fvazquezp: welcome. this is #kubuntu, a channel for Kubuntu user support.
[06:19] <Agent_bob> holyguyver you could test by killing gdm (sudo killall gdm) and from a console playing a sound to see that the system is still in a usable state.  aplay will work from there.   (startx) will return you to a GUI.   <Agent_bob> if it doesn't work from console  then a visit to #alsa might be productive.  if it does then that is not the place for this issue. <<< i did try...
[06:19] <Jucato> holyguyver: unfortunately, no. I suck at sound
[06:19] <Jucato> holyguyver: but please try to understand that people here are helping to the best of their abilities and knowledge
[06:20] <flaccid> ty Jucato
[06:20] <Jucato> they may or may not get it right all the time. calling them names won't help either
[06:20] <holyguyver> & thank you bob I read all of that earlier & I took it into account, I will do all of that as soon as I can
[06:20]  * Agent_bob wonders why now is not the time....
[06:20] <holyguyver> Jucato, I know & understand it is simply flaccid was making me very angry as he was calling me a lier.
[06:21] <Agent_bob> oh yeah,  it would interrupt the fight
[06:21] <sorteal> Agent_bob : He He
[06:21] <Agent_bob> sorry. my bad.
[06:21]  * Jucato glances at Agent_bob
[06:22] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:22] <Jucato> well it goes for both sides... nothing comes out of name calling...
[06:22] <flaccid> holyguyver: lol. i never said that.
[06:22]  * Jucato calls Agent_bob names
[06:22] <sorteal> *sorteal takes up for Agent_bob
[06:22] <sorteal> oops Ha Ha
[06:22] <holyguyver> Bob the reason why not right now is I am not exactly sure how to do all of that.
[06:23] <Jucato> right... leaving for a while. play nice :)
[06:23] <sorteal> we'll try
[06:23] <Jucato> coz I will be back.. and will deal spanking when necessary:)
[06:24] <holyguyver> I understand the typing of sudo killall gdm , but I keep forgetting how to test the sound
[06:24] <flaccid> [14:47] <flaccid> holyguyver: try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
[06:24] <Agent_bob> sudo killall gdm         login with your username and password.     cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp        use ctrl+C to end that.       startx
[06:25] <holyguyver> that is too confusing
[06:25] <Jucato> holyguyver, Agent_bob: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" might be a cleaner way to stop gdm
[06:25] <Jucato> (replace gdm with kdm as needed)
[06:25] <Jucato> holyguyver: hm... beggars can't be choosers really...
[06:26] <holyguyver> I am actually on xubuntu
[06:26] <Jucato> well gdm then
[06:26] <Agent_bob> Jucato ummm maybe.     oh and it's gdm he's on gnome  nothing k about it.
[06:26] <Jucato> but doesn't matter... gdm, kdm or xdm
[06:26] <Agent_bob> oh sorry   xfce not gnome.
[06:26] <Jucato> (you can use kdm to start GNOME or Xfce and gdm to start KDE)
[06:27] <Jucato> anyway... really gone now. holyguyver, it might be complicated.. but what can you do? you're asking for help, they're giving it. (you can always refuse to follow, but don't complain later :P)
[06:27] <Agent_bob> i understood from his "only comming here because they weren't helping hime in #ubuntu" that it was gnome/gdm
[06:27] <Jucato> besides, you learn that way :)
[06:28] <Jucato> what? #kubuntu is now the refuge of sinners? -_-
[06:28] <flank> i need help my kubuntu hardy locksup when playing flash
[06:28] <sorteal> If it wasn't I wouldn't be here :)
[06:28] <Jucato> (btw.. no one gave him the command to restart gdm... hint hint :)
[06:28]  * Agent_bob takes up for sorteal
[06:28] <maduser> rm -R /?
[06:28] <sorteal> thanks :P
[06:29] <Agent_bob> Jucato i gave him   startx
[06:29] <Agent_bob> hint hint
[06:29] <Jucato> Agent_bob: that's only half the story hint :P
[06:29] <maduser> flank: that was not for you
[06:29] <Jucato> anyway.. really gone
[06:29] <Jucato> maduser: please don't throw that command in here, even in a joke. thanks
[06:29] <maduser> k
[06:30] <maduser> but it will get rid of the n00bs
[06:30] <maduser> :)
[06:30] <Agent_bob> maduser and neve sudo that  :)
[06:30] <Jucato> maduser: and you, if you get caught :)
[06:30] <Agent_bob> r
[06:30] <maduser> well I didn't include sudo
[06:30] <sorteal> This is Kubuntu we want the n00bs
[06:30] <Jucato> we can't be sure how many newbies are running a root shell (someone who blindly follow advice on how to enable the root account)
[06:31] <Jucato> better to err on the safe side
[06:31] <maduser> but some of them are impatient
[06:31] <Agent_bob> /topic this is kubuntu   n00b's wanted
[06:31] <sorteal> True but that comes with being new
[06:31] <maduser> and expect us to fix their problems
[06:31] <Jucato> (also, other ops might not be as forgiving)
[06:31] <flank> dose anyone know how i can play flash without my computer freezing
[06:31] <maduser> when we don't know the answer
[06:31] <maduser> flank: what version of falsh?
[06:31] <Jucato> flank: use Firefox (fortunately or unfortunately)
[06:31] <sorteal> Then tell them to Google their prob
[06:32] <Jucato> works with any version of Flash... :(
[06:32] <maduser> I do but they don't
[06:32] <maduser> this place should be a resort when google doesn't have the anser
[06:33]  * jussio1 walks in... consider yourself lucky maduser ;)
[06:33] <Agent_bob> maduser uhh!
[06:33] <sorteal> Ha Ha then they need hand holding and that's okay because it spreads linux even if it is a pain
[06:33] <Jucato> right.. enough of that... jussio1 is here
[06:33]  * Jucato can now go in peace
[06:33]  * Agent_bob always asks here first, then last resorts google
[06:33] <holyguyver> well when I tried doing that gdm script it crashed my computer, then when  my bios came back they said that my memory had decreased in size & then when I got back up I forgot the code of how to play the sound clip.
[06:33] <flank> i am using firefox 3b5 and flash 9.0.124
[06:34] <maduser> with the apt install or a manual install?
 [14:47] <flaccid> holyguyver: try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
[06:34] <flank> add and remove programs uded extra restricted package
[06:34] <maduser> k
[06:34] <Jucato> holyguyver: stopping gdm is supposed to stop X (the GUI) and throw you at a command line prompt
[06:35] <holyguyver> But I won't be able to remember that, I need my copy (as in copy paste) of it to servive the gdm closer.
[06:35] <Jucato> (so it may look like it crashed)... but I hoped you sed "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" instead
[06:35] <holyguyver> No I mean my comp froze & I had to kill it with the fizical button
[06:35] <Jucato> holyguyver: and "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" to start it again
[06:35] <Jucato> oh
[06:35] <maduser> flank: did you try and do anthing with flash?
[06:36] <maduser> I had an issue when I had both manual and apt on my comp
[06:36] <flank> no just you tube and conan O brien on NBC.com
[06:36] <Jucato> holyguyver:  you're supposed to write commands down exactly and carefully the first time. don't rely on your memory :)
[06:36] <holyguyver> Yes I did do the sudo stop one
[06:36] <maduser> flank ok did you get the nonfree package?
[06:36] <flank> yes
[06:36] <Agent_bob> oh no.  i'm walking blind again.   i would ask for help but i couldn't read your answer anyway...  ;/
[06:36] <flank> i got the non free by installing restriced extras
[06:37] <maduser> I have no problems here.......
[06:38] <rickey> dont we all
[06:38] <maduser> when did you install it?
[06:38] <maduser> the flash plugin has been broken before
[06:38] <flank> recently
[06:39] <flank> yesterday
[06:39] <maduser> it could be broken
[06:39] <flank> is there an alternative to non free
[06:39] <jussio1> flank: which browser are you using?
[06:40] <flank> firefox 3b5
[06:40] <Agent_bob> i really should fix that some day.
[06:40] <flank> freezes and crashes on konkerer too
[06:40] <sorteal> Ha Ha What?
[06:40] <maduser> I have the same flash set up here cept I downloaded it about 3 days ago
[06:41] <flank> i thing i had the same issue 3 days ago also
[06:41] <maduser> hmmmmmm
[06:41] <jussio1> flank: curious. there was a bug sometime back, dont know if it fixes your issue.
[06:41] <Agent_bob> seems that if i have gdm running and the users gui session is in a standby state and i kill gdm from a console then "stupidly" switch to the tty where the gui was it blanks the vidio and i haven't found a way to unblank it short of hard reset.
[06:42] <jussio1> !fffc | flank, maybe this will help
[06:42] <ubotu> flank, maybe this will help: If Firefox is crashing on sites using Flash try adding "export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1" to /etc/firefox/firefoxrc (ref: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/14911 )
[06:42] <Agent_bob> i can soft reset but bios doesn't reset the vidio.    i think the simple fix for me is to stop using a dm
[06:42] <jussio1> flank: you need to change that path for firefox 3 though
[06:43] <sorteal> score one for ubotu
[06:43] <flank> k
[06:44] <Agent_bob> did anyone see my pre-exit post ?
[06:44] <maduser> yeah, were you wating for that guy to leave?
[06:44] <pingveno> I'm having a bit of trouble with Amarok. It keeps on doing a collection update every few seconds, which requires running 100% of the CPU for about 4 seconds. Any ideas on stopping it?
[06:44] <sorteal> Probably but I don't remember
[06:45] <Agent_bob> pingveno didn't i see a setting in it's config to disable automatic updates ?
[06:45] <sorteal> What did you mean walking blind  Ha Ha
[06:46] <Agent_bob> sorteal blank display.
[06:46] <sorteal> Oh man ouch
[06:46] <Agent_bob> i mean you could see me. but i couldn't see you.
[06:47] <Agent_bob> s/you/anything/
[06:47] <holyguyver> Alright I did it, it said /user/share/alsa/Noise.wav does not exist
[06:47] <sorteal> You could see me but I'm an attention freak and that would be bad if you couldn't see me he he
[06:47] <pingveno> Agent_bob: It does have an option on whether to watch directories for changes. I just upgraded to Hardy, so I think there's something going on there.
[06:47] <pingveno> I didn't have this going before.
[06:47] <holyguyver> So I guess if the sound click isn't there that explains it failing to play
[06:48] <dsmith_> how long does it take for a ditro upgrade over broadband
[06:48] <Agent_bob> that's why i said   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[06:48] <dsmith_> *distro
[06:49] <holyguyver> I just intered in cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp & my terminal seems to have froze
[06:49] <sorteal> What sevice 10MG or what?
[06:51] <Agent_bob> it's not frozen   ctrl+C   to kill that
[06:51] <sorteal> Really it varies based on bandwidth service and so on...
[06:51] <holyguyver> So no response to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[06:51] <jussio1> holyguyver: press ctrl+c ??
[06:51] <holyguyver> Yes
[06:52] <Agent_bob> holyguyver ok then does     sudo alsamixer       show anything muted on the playback ?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> hey jussio1, long time no C++
[06:53] <holyguyver> No, as I told you nothing is muted
[06:53] <holyguyver> Master is full blast master M is almost full & headphones is slightly lower then full
[06:53] <sorteal> Agent_bob : HaHa good one can I use that?
[06:54] <Agent_bob> holyguyver er no you didn't tell me. you told flaccid i guess.   i didn't read all of your argument with him.
[06:54] <jussio1> holyguyver: quick question, remind me which sound card, and which version of ubuntu?
[06:54] <Agent_bob> sorteal it's   GNU-GPL'd  :)
[06:54] <jussio1> heya Agent_bob
[06:54] <sorteal> Yeah because Flaccid was crazy
[06:54] <holyguyver> gutsy
[06:54] <holyguyver> & I don't know what soundcard
[06:54] <sorteal> Agent_bob : nice
[06:54] <jussio1> holyguyver: lspci please
[06:54] <jussio1> holyguyver: in a pastebin
[06:54] <Deepthought> why in Kopete history are all names from the last chat changed to #kubuntu; is there a way to keep the names ?
[06:55] <caveman26> I just finished upgrading to hardy.... where did xmms go?
[06:55] <Agent_bob> jussio1 let me repete him     sound was working fine until mplayer crased
[06:55] <Agent_bob> crashed
[06:55] <caveman26> its not in the repos either
[06:55] <jussio1> Deepthought: use konversation?
[06:55] <sorteal> XMMS2 maybe? Just a guess I don't use it.
[06:55] <Deepthought> jussi01: a different chatter-box ?
[06:55] <jussio1> caveman26: superseeded
[06:55] <jussio1> !info xmms2
[06:55] <ubotu> xmms2 (source: xmms2): Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2DrJekyll-4ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 10 kB, installed size 56 kB
[06:56] <caveman26> I downloaded that... its command line only for some reason
[06:56] <holyguyver> still doesn't hurt for me to give him the pastebin :p
[06:56] <Agent_bob> !find xmms
[06:56] <caveman26> audacious works but has some issues
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: gkrellxmms2, gxmms2, libaudio-xmmsclient-perl, libxmmsclient++-dev, libxmmsclient++-glib-dev (and 71 others)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> !info gxmms2
[06:56] <ubotu> gxmms2 (source: gxmms2): xmms2 client for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-1.1 (hardy), package size 56 kB, installed size 188 kB
[06:58] <holyguyver> hhmm when I am clicking the paste! button in firefox nothing is happening
[06:58] <holyguyver> it is refusing to paste
[06:59] <jussio1> holyguyver: can you give me the 1 line about your soundcard?
[06:59] <Agent_bob> elft click highlight,  middle click paste
[06:59] <holyguyver> which line would that be?
[06:59] <Agent_bob> left
[06:59] <jussio1> Agent_bob: no, the pastebin paste...
[06:59] <jussio1> holyguyver: look for one that says audio
[06:59] <holyguyver> No bob I mean the button that pastes/posts it to the server
[07:00] <holyguyver> 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08)
[07:00] <jussio1> hrm...
[07:00]  * Agent_bob hasn't used the ubuntu pastebin in so long i didn't know it had a "paste" button.    i'll be quiet now.
[07:00] <holyguyver> Was that good enough
[07:02] <Agent_bob> :~] pastebin `which pastebin`
[07:02] <Agent_bob> pasting file /usr/local/bin/pastebin
[07:02] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4af2ed
[07:02] <holyguyver> Jussiol just like Jucato you have helped me many times before in the past year or two :D
[07:03] <holyguyver> Jussiol I asked Jucato & he said he did not help me out with this same problem, 5 months ago, maybe it was you then :D
[07:03] <Deepthought> jussi01: I have to admit Konversation is quite nice, lotta options to adjust, better thankopete...  buttuhm, it does look a lot like kopete; is one derived from the other ?   And is there a way to change the text color ?  (I hate black text, want amber on dark, like the ol terminals)
[07:03] <holyguyver> 5 or so months ago we was succesful in fixing it :)
[07:04] <jussio1> Deepthought: no and yes. Personally i dont use either so I dont remember where. :/
[07:04] <holyguyver> Bob I don't think Jussio1 was reading the original problem, so maybe I should retell it to him
[07:05] <Deepthought> jussi01:   ehehehe, what do you use ?
[07:06] <jussio1> Deepthought: one that isnt yet in the repos, quassel.
[07:06] <Deepthought> jussi01: what's good about it ?
[07:06] <jussio1> Deepthought: many things, to find out more, join #quassel
[07:06] <Agent_bob> bx man!