[12:48] <Burgundavia> hayden: google the name of the card and linux
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hayden: and then dig
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hayden: you can also try the live-cd which will not touch your harddrive
[12:48] <Xirdneh> hi there, anyone know how to correct this... everytime i close the screen of my laptop the system freeze! :S, dont know what to do, Ubuntu warty, Nvidia all drivers installed correctly :p
[12:48] <hayden> i've already install ubuntu (warty)
[12:48] <psai_> is there a changelog available for gnome 2.10.0
[12:49] <Burgundavia> hayden: then just stick it in and try
[12:50] <asc__> since ubuntu is based upon debian, can i use debian repositories - or do i need to use ubuntu specific repositories?
[12:50] <hayden> Burgundavia, why
[12:51] <Burgundavia> asc__: better to use ubuntu ones, but I have tried debian ones and they *might* work
[12:51] <jesuel> Burgundavia, Thank you for that
[12:51] <Burgundavia> hayden: well the easiest way to see if something works is to try it
[12:51] <jesuel> Burgundavia, now i got all my new applications installed and menu entries created :)
[12:51] <asc__> burg: cheers :) thanks for that advice
[12:52] <jesuel> Now if i can figure out whats going on with azureus and it not working ill be happy with that application
[12:55] <error_29> Xirdneh, I hope somebody has an answer -- because I was having the same problem with my laptop...
[12:56] <Burgundavia> Xirdneh, error_29: I would try updating to hoary, and the issue may go away. Hoary becomes stable early april
[12:58] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to dissable the x server?
[01:00] <fuoco> anyone knows what cflags/ldflags are used to compile ubuntu and ubuntu packages?
[01:01] <m1lton> hey
[01:03] <m1lton> in the synaptic thing there are some kde stuff. isit posible to make kde work on ubuntu
[01:03] <Riddell> m1lton: of course http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[01:04] <m1lton> ohh
[01:04] <m1lton> thanks :)
[01:06] <djg> Hi, I ran the Ubuntu install and it detected my ethernet NIC, and also my centrino wireless processor, which is great.  However, I don't seem to be able to access eth0 (wireless) to bring it up and down.  How can I 'register' eth0?
[01:07] <lupusBE> where is the gnome-system-monitor cvs
[01:07] <lupusBE> it is not gnome.org it seems
[01:08] <djg> sudo ifconfig eth0 gives "eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found"
[01:09] <djg> sudo gnome-nettool
[01:09] <djg> Oops
[01:09] <djg> Wrong window.  Sorry.
[01:10] <error_29> Does anybody know if and how I can change the main "Applications _ Computer" menu that's installed by default with warty to the (older or newer??) "Applications _ Actions" menu that other distros use?
[01:11] <error_29> the way ubuntu divides stuff between Apps/computer makes little sense to me, and I'm tired of futzing with that damn menu applet
[01:11] <no0tic> wouldn't it be nice if nautilus-burner had more features?
[01:13] <no0tic> something like, burning audio-cds, leave the session open etc...
[01:13] <mjr> _yes_ please, it would
[01:14] <mjr> I've already pleaded for multi-session support
[01:14] <mjr> audio-cds they can leave for rhythmbox for all I care, but really, a cd burner with no multi-session?
[01:14] <mjr> that's just weak
[01:14] <no0tic> mjr: I agree
[01:15] <mjr> see bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120384 for pleading on the subject
[01:17] <quarupt> Ya know ya wanna touch me
[01:19] <quarupt> seems pretty snappy
[01:19] <quarupt> I might just have to convert
[01:20] <quarupt> Its all BAm
[01:20] <djg> Anyone know how to add a network interface?
[01:20] <quarupt> it only took like 23 minutes to install
[01:23] <quarupt> How can i mount my other Ubuntu Partition>
[01:26] <quarupt> do i need to add different repositories for AMD64?
[01:34] <quarupt> lol
[01:34] <quarupt> man this is o fast
[01:34] <quarupt> it must compile at twice the speed
[01:34] <quarupt> But now i have to transfer all my old files and reconfigure everything
[01:34] <quarupt> SUCKY
[01:36] <quarupt> lol
[01:36] <no0tic> re
[01:36] <quarupt> isnt there an easy way to mount up my other ubuntu pasrtions without using the terminal?
[01:37] <Fator_Dee> fstab?
[01:37] <quarupt> i remember using something in the GUI to do it
[01:37] <quarupt> i didnt have to define any fs types or anything
[01:38] <hayden> does anyone know how to make icons appear on the desktop when u mount an smb share?
[01:40] <quarupt> howto mount /dev/hda4?
[01:40] <no0tic> hayden: try drag-n-drop
[01:41] <hayden> ?
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:45] <quarupt> man
[01:45] <quarupt> I love this AMD64
[01:45] <quarupt> its so bloody fast
[01:45] <schasi> Which one do you havE?
[01:46] <quarupt> 3200
[01:46] <Nermal> quarupt, mount /dev/hda4 /<mountpoint> ?
[01:46] <quarupt> its the one with the dual 512 L2 cache
[01:46] <quarupt> Nermal, i got it thx
[01:46] <quarupt> i just used fstab after all
[01:46] <schasi> dual 512L2 cache? why dual?
[01:47] <schasi> And which ones have that feature?
[01:47] <quarupt> didnt mean to type dual
[01:47] <quarupt> none of them
[01:47] <quarupt> sorry
[01:47] <quarupt> lol
[01:47] <schasi> Thought for a moment...
[01:47] <quarupt> lol
[01:47] <schasi> "woa wtf did i miss?"
[01:47] <quarupt> but it does have double the registers
[01:48] <kriberg> anyone getting " Error of failed request:  GLXBadLargeRequest" before?
[01:50] <quarupt> im trying to umount a partition and its saying its busy?
[01:51] <quarupt> im not viewing its contents or anything?
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> hey, why is hoary slowing down? nowadays we dont get much updates! :(
[01:52] <quarupt> how can i see whats tying up this partition so i can umunt it?
[01:53] <Funraiser> k3b doesn't converts the mp3 format directly on an audio cd?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: umount -l PARTITI
[01:54] <Funraiser>  when I try and burn mp3 format it seems to burn ok but it wont play on anything but a computer
[01:54] <Funraiser> with k3b
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: quite right. it doesnt convert mp3 to acd format
[01:56] <quarupt> holy crap Oxycontin is close to herion in its chemical composistion
[01:56] <quarupt> no wonder i am wanting more
[01:56] <Funraiser> what?
[01:56] <Funraiser> what app does on linux?
[01:57] <quarupt> doctors will give ya anything nowadays
[01:57] <hayden> how can i find if this (http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=2&&bid=2&sid=8008) wifi card will work on linux?
[01:57] <Funraiser> do can i use to convert mp3 first?
[01:57] <Funraiser> what*
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: DONOT blame doctors!
[01:57] <sucho> hi, is there a way to install xfce 4.2 on warty?  the oscillation repository don't work for me, it says the dependencies are unsatisfied, maybe because xfce package has different minor version from others there...
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> sucho: it might be in uni/multi verse
[01:58] <quarupt> how can i clean up my lilo? it has old stuff in it
[01:58] <Funraiser> what app can i use to convert the mp3 first, before burning it with k3b
[01:58] <Funraiser> ?
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: use GRUB
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: !google
[01:58] <sucho> da_bon_bon: 4.2 isn't, only 4.1.99
[01:58] <quarupt> whatever one hoary uses
[01:58] <andreas_> grub
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: hoary uses GRUB
[01:58] <quarupt> well how can i clean it up so it doesnt show old OS's i have deleted
[01:59] <Funraiser> somebody knows an app to convert mp3?
[01:59] <quarupt> Funraiser, we just told you to google it
[01:59] <larsrohdin> any news about the official release of hoary?
[01:59] <andreas_> Funraiser: convert to or from?
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:59] <quarupt> thx
[01:59] <Funraiser> from
[01:59] <andreas_> google
[01:59] <Funraiser> ?
[02:00] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin April
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: cant u search on google!
[02:00] <Funraiser> no want to search here, u don't like that??
[02:01] <SiRrUs> Funraiser appears no one has the answer for you so google will be quicker
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: right. dont expecty spoon feeding always :P
[02:02] <remi> hello
[02:02] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:02] <Funraiser> ba_bon...fuck you..
[02:02] <remi> oohhhhhhhhhh
[02:02] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, ok nice...thanks dude!
[02:02] <Fator_Dee> but if no one knows how to help you, google is the best way
[02:02] <SiRrUs> Funraiser that really isnt needed here
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: fuck you! what will that help! ? most ppl agree that people need to search, not always expect answers to simple questions.
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> those in my favour, raise your right hanbd ;)
[02:03] <Fator_Dee> \o/
[02:03] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin yw
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> Fator_Dee: :)
[02:04] <remi> hello everybody i am a french ubuntuman
[02:05] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, yw?
[02:06] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin yw = your welcome
[02:06] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, oh...=) never heard that before=)
[02:06] <rightclicker> need some assistance, using an Acer Travelmate 230 Laptop - Ubuntu - Im getting X Server error, tried looking for answers in the internet, but im a Newbie.
[02:07] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin yeah well this is a very polite channel :)
[02:08] <quarupt> oops forgot to copy /root before i delted old partition damn it
[02:09] <quarupt> there goes all mah music
[02:10] <queuetue> Is there anything odd about apache2 under ubuntu that would prevent FollowSymLinks from working?
[02:11] <SiRrUs> well time for a coffee
[02:12] <quarupt> anyone know why an ftp would give an error of "bad IP connecting'?
[02:12] <Fator_Dee> coffee == good
[02:12] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, yeah coffee does sound good=)
[02:14] <rightclicker> need some assistance, using an Acer Travelmate 230 Laptop - Using Ubuntu - Im getting X Server error and i can view the output details or somthing, im a Newbie.
[02:16] <quarupt> why wont my FTP work, im entering valid user names and passwords?
[02:16] <SiRrUs> rightclicker what is your error
[02:17] <rightclicker> i just did an install
[02:17] <SiRrUs> and
[02:18] <rightclicker> i just did an install - upon boot i recieve an error relation to XFree86 - I cannont view much else just all text based.
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> rightclicker: warty / hoary ?
[02:18] <rightclicker> warty release
[02:18] <quarupt> SiRrUs, can ya help me with some ftpd stuff?
[02:20] <SiRrUs> quarupt what are you using
[02:20] <membreya> oh...only 30mb of updates today
[02:20] <SiRrUs> membreya why are we so much out of sync ? did you get your updates last night
[02:21] <membreya> erm yup ...but it was only about 10 mb
[02:21] <membreya> remembering that we're half a world apart SiRrUs :)
[02:22] <SiRrUs> membreya yeah last nights updates fixed the lag I was experiencing
[02:22] <membreya> what lag? :|
[02:22] <rightclicker> "I cannont start X Server (your Grpahical interface). It is likely that is it not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem
[02:22] <quarupt>  SiRrUs vsftpd
[02:23] <jesuel> Well here goes nothing, trying to install world of warcraft on this box :)
[02:24] <membreya> gl jesuel :P
[02:24] <quarupt> the probleam is SiRrUs i have created a new user for my ftp, i try to login, and it says login incorrect?
[02:24] <membreya> damn people and WoW
[02:24] <jesuel> *fingers crossed*
[02:24] <SiRrUs> quarupt not sure
[02:24] <jesuel> Well I only play q3 / cs:source / wow
[02:24] <Amaranth> how do you edit menus in hoary?
[02:24] <quarupt> i cant even login as the user I am logged into ubuntu right now
[02:25] <Fator_Dee> I have a friend who got wow a while ago, haven't seen him in a while :-)
[02:25] <quarupt> SiRrUs, wanna see my conf?
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: have a look at "/usr/share/applications"
[02:25] <jesuel> Fator_Dee,  lol yah
[02:25] <Amaranth> oh yeah
[02:25] <Amaranth> err, :P
[02:25] <membreya> lol Fator_Dee, that's my point :P
[02:26] <membreya> hmmm if squid updates...do I need to restart the daemon? :P
[02:26] <jesuel> So far, this linux (ubuntu) installation on this laptop has been completely painless. Im quite surprised. Everything has worked with a minimum of fussing.
[02:26] <SiRrUs> quarupt getting ready for work so I cant but I am sure its something to do with the info you set up for the new user
[02:26] <quarupt> SiRrUs, no user can connect?
[02:26] <membreya> quarupt: just use anon login :P
[02:26] <quarupt> membreya, yea right, anon login is disabled
[02:27] <membreya> quarupt: there's your problem :P
[02:27] <ondrej> hello there...  recently switched to hoary and I have strange problem with GNOME.  New windows don't pop-up, but are created in background and appear only in task bar.  (dunno if this behaviour is same on newly created account)
[02:28] <quarupt> membreya, no its disbaled for a reason, cause im not stupid
[02:28] <aleitner> anybody else has problems with smbfs in ubuntu?
[02:28] <quarupt> membreya, its a personal FTP for my use only why on earth would i enable anon login?
[02:28] <hayden> aleitner, i had a bit when i was on hoary
[02:28] <membreya> not me aleitner ...what's up?
[02:28] <aleitner> hayden: yeah, i am on hoary.
[02:28] <membreya> quarupt: so you don't have any problems? :P
[02:29] <quarupt> membreya, I do i cant login as a user
[02:29] <aleitner> membreya: after a while whenever i try to save a file using emacs (on a smbfs mounted filesystem) emacs crashes. i have to kill it and unmount/mount the fs to get it all working again
[02:29] <membreya> hrm :|
[02:29] <membreya> nfi on that one
[02:29] <quarupt> keeps saying the login is incorrect???
[02:29] <aleitner> nfi?
[02:30] <quarupt> i knwo its not
[02:30] <membreya> polite version aleitner is "no further information" or "no flippin idea"
[02:30] <aleitner> membreya: ahh, thanks (;
[02:31] <aleitner> hayden: did you have the same prob?
[02:31] <membreya> hmmm anyone here running squid?
[02:31] <hayden> yea
[02:31] <hayden> a couple days after i upgraded to hoary
[02:31] <hayden> no smb shares would mount
[02:31] <aleitner> hayden: ok thats even worse...
[02:31] <hayden> yea
[02:31] <hayden> whats happening to you
[02:32] <aleitner> hayden: after a while emacs freezes when trying to save a file. the first few saves work, but then i have to remount the fs and kill emacs to get back to normal
[02:32] <quarupt> WTF, it keeps saying login incorrect, but i know its not, i just created the user
[02:32] <hayden> hmm
[02:32] <aleitner> hayden: have you filed a bugreport at the time?
[02:33] <bestadvocate> do you think mono will work when hoary is release?
[02:33] <hayden> i no nothing of linux, but it seems like the smb share could be timing out?
[02:33] <Nermal> quarupt, capslock :)
[02:33] <hayden> aleitner, no i didn't
[02:33] <quarupt> i wish
[02:33] <Nermal> why use ftp ?
[02:33] <quarupt> must be something wrong in the config
[02:33] <Nermal> sftp / scp ?
[02:34] <quarupt> Nermal, we went through this remeber? its the only way i can access box from work and transfer files
[02:34] <aleitner> hayden: hmm, good idea. will check. it does work on a regular debian box however
[02:34] <hayden> hmm
[02:36] <quarupt> how hard can it be to setup ftp
[02:36] <membreya> should squid be run as user "nobody" ?
[02:36] <tritium> quarupt, did you get winetools setup last night?
[02:36] <hayden> do ppl think hoary is stable enough to change to yet?
[02:36] <quarupt> tritium, i gave up
[02:37] <tritium> quarupt, why?
[02:37] <tritium> quarupt, you didn't reply, so I figured you were off working on it
[02:37] <quarupt> tritium, i got it installed but couldnt get the install shield to install, i have reinstalled my system anyways, now im native AMD64
[02:38] <quarupt> tritium, wanna help me with my current prob setting up my ftpd?
[02:38] <tritium> quarupt, I can try for a little while, but I don't have it setup
[02:38] <quarupt> tritium, but your famillar with ftp servers?
[02:39] <tritium> quarupt, no, not in particular.  What's the problem
[02:39] <tritium> ?
[02:39] <Caesar_091> hello :)
[02:39] <quarupt> im not thinking right, i have been taking oxycodone like candy all night
[02:40] <tritium> quarupt, why?
[02:40] <quarupt> tritium, well i installed the ftpd and configured the conf, but when i try to connect with any user, it says login incorrect?
[02:40] <quarupt> i have tried creating new users
[02:40] <quarupt> why what?
[02:40] <tritium> quarupt, why are you taking that stuff?
[02:41] <quarupt> My doctor gave it to me
[02:41] <quarupt> for my back
[02:41] <quarupt> anyways thats off topic
[02:42] <tritium> quarupt, did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> ?
[02:42] <quarupt> tritium, what ya think about the ftp prob?
[02:42] <quarupt> ya
[02:42] <missmarple> hi
[02:42] <quarupt> a guy was helping me earlier and he set it up the same way and it was working fine its a simple server
[02:42] <tritium> quarupt, how is it configured?  dpkg-reconfigure?  hand-edit of a config file?
[02:42] <quarupt> tritium,  can i pm?
[02:43] <tritium> quarupt, ok
[02:43] <hayden> how do i add anonymous access to my ftpd server?
[02:45] <quarupt> hayden, what ftpd are ya running?
[02:46] <StoffBox-Steve> hi someone here using Ps7 under CrossOver office ?
[02:46] <hayden> dunno
[02:49] <gilles> i can't read audio cds with ubuntu, but the sound works, what should i do ?
[02:49] <gilles> i use hoary
[02:49] <Seveas> define "can't read"
[02:50] <Seveas> your media player doesn't recognize them?
[02:50] <Seveas> or does the CD do nothing at all?
[02:50] <danny666> i just installed the new kopete
[02:50] <Seveas> or something else...
[02:50] <gilles> totem doesn't recognize them
[02:51] <danny666> and cant go into status invisible
[02:51] <danny666> solved
[02:52] <Seveas> what does totem say if you go to the menu and sleect movie -> play disc
[02:55] <hayden> quarupt, do u know how to setup anonymous login for ftpd?
[02:55] <hayden> or any websites about it
[02:55] <Seveas> hayden, that depends on the ftp server
[02:55] <hayden> ftpd?
[02:56] <gilles> how to read dvds on ubuntu ?
[02:57] <Seveas> hayden, you installed the "ftpd" package?
[02:57] <hayden> yep
[02:57] <Burgundavia> gilles: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:57] <Seveas> gilles, go to computer -> disks or play them
[02:58] <Burgundavia> gilles: if you have the necessary codecs, they will autoplay
[02:58] <gilles> i have w32 codecs, but it still doesn't work
[02:58] <Burgundavia> gilles: need libdvdcss2
[02:59] <rightclicker> Does anyone have any solutions to solving "I cannont start X Server (your Grpahical interface). It is likely that is it not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem" Running Ubuntu - Acer Travel Mate 230. Please Help. im stuck
[02:59] <Burgundavia> rightclicker: fresh install?
[02:59] <rightclicker> just did it
[02:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:00] <rightclicker> its veryy annoyying
[03:00] <Burgundavia> rightclicker: http://utenti.quipo.it/claudioscordino/debian.html
[03:00] <Burgundavia> that is debian, but should work for ubuntu
[03:01] <Burgundavia> just remember that hoary uses xorg
[03:01] <rightclicker> wow. thanks
[03:01] <magnon> does anyone know how to use the gstreamer-jack plugin with the jack server?
[03:02] <magnon> I can't seem to get it working
[03:02] <Burgundavia> google is your friend
[03:02] <magnon> you can't just use jackbin anymore apparently
[03:02] <magnon> and google is embarrasingly silent on the subject
[03:02] <magnon> *jacksink
[03:02] <Burgundavia> magnon: try over at #gstreamer, they might be help you
[03:02] <magnon> they're pretty silent too :)
[03:03] <bretzel> Hi there, Question: Why does it takes 5 minutes to connect/mount a NFS point on my ubuntu server ?
[03:03] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, gimp can to slices or ? i cant found the funktions *grrr*
[03:03] <Philuk86> can anyone tell me where the best place is to report broken php package dependancies
[03:04] <Burgundavia> Philuk86: bugzilla
[03:04] <Burgundavia> phantomdata: provided it is not universe stuff
[03:04] <Burgundavia> Philuk86: see above comment
[03:04] <dopez> Nvxhnpo is a spambot?
[03:04] <bretzel> Philuk86:Me using XAMPP for linux ...with PHP5, MYSQL 4.1 etc ....
[03:05] <eruin> msn dead?
[03:05] <bretzel> any knows about NFS ?
[03:05] <eruin> anyone got access to a windows msn client ?
[03:05] <Seveas> bretzel, because you network is crappy?
[03:05] <Philuk86> well phpdomxl wont install, neither will the php db library
[03:05] <Seveas> please give some more info :)
[03:05] <bretzel> Seveas: ???
[03:05] <Philuk86> eruin: msn is fine
[03:06] <StoffBox-Steve> eruin, my Folks is online on MSN .. so MSn cant be dead :)
[03:06] <Seveas> bretzel, do the nfs client and server both run ubuntu? does it work with other distros? is accessing the filesystem after mounting also slow
[03:06] <eruin> StoffBox-Steve: could you try reconnecting? :P
[03:06] <StoffBox-Steve> sure
[03:06] <eruin> I just lost ability to connect via gaim :/
[03:07] <bretzel> Seveas: Yop both are ubuntu, one server ( minimal ) and this one the client.
[03:07] <StoffBox-Steve> recon done :P
[03:07] <Seveas> and is it just the mounting?
[03:07] <Seveas> do you have other services running?
[03:07] <eruin> curses
[03:07] <Seveas> what do your logs say?
[03:08] <bretzel> Seveas:  Yes it is just the nfs mounting... HTTP;sshd and co works fine tho
[03:08] <Seveas> do you get any clue by looking at client/server logs?
[03:08] <Seveas> is accessing the data slow too?
[03:09] <eruin> I can't connect to msn.com either... ohwell.. my host sucks today I guess
[03:09] <StoffBox-Steve> someone use gimp here ?
[03:09] <Seveas> StoffBox-Steve, sometimes...
[03:09] <Philuk86> bretzel: have you got GD and XML support on your LAMP setup?
[03:10] <bretzel> Seveas: i will take a look. (good idea - I thought this problem was common and generaly known ... I am AFK for the next 5 min. will be back with infos that I can't understand ...
[03:10] <Seveas> good luck bretzel
[03:10] <StoffBox-Steve> gimp support slices  Seveas, or ? i cant find the function .. and i need this... on Photoshop this ***** popup Saving for web dosent come up
[03:11] <Seveas> StoffBox-Steve, I have no idea, sorry
[03:11] <eruin> lovely. an x restart
[03:11] <StoffBox-Steve> ok, no prob, thx anyway :D
[03:11] <scizzo> StoffBox-Steve: what do you want to do?
[03:13] <StoffBox-Steve> i have a webdesign .. and need to cut them, do use the grafics for the web, normaly i work with Photoshop but the "saving for web" dialogs dosent come up .. so i have to slices the image in gimp
[03:13] <onno> does anybody know how you write a CD .iso in Ubuntu warty?
[03:13] <olivier_> novice aimerait installer amule
[03:14] <eruin> StoffBox-Steve: I've found the gimp to be horribly lacking in areas such as that
[03:14] <eruin> onno: cdrecord file.iso ?
[03:15] <StoffBox-Steve> Photoshop is better on many think .. ok  i work the last 3 years with PS .. maybe thats the reason why gimp is *argfoobar* for me :D
[03:15] <olivier_> novice comment installer firevall
[03:15] <onno> is that all eruin?
[03:15] <bretzel> Philuk86:go see http://www.apachefriends.org  (clikck little english because the site is dutch def lang.)
[03:16] <eruin> baaayh. xcompmgr makes my xchat go all weird.. lines ontop of eachother, etc
[03:17] <bretzel> Philuk86:  Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, ProFTPD, phpMyAdmin, OpenSSL, Freetype, libjpeg, libpng, gdbm, zlib, expat, ming, Sablotron, libxml2, Webalizer, pdf class, ncurses, mod_perl, FreeTDS, gettext, IMAP C-Client, OpenLDAP (client lib), eAccelerator, mcrypt, mhash, SQLite, cURL, ZZIPlib, libxslt, phpSQLiteAdmin
[03:17] <bretzel> sorry for the flood
[03:24] <bretzel> Seveas: first suspcious line: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel ...
[03:25] <hayden> whats a cd burning program i can use
[03:25] <membreya> hayden: gnomebaker
[03:25] <membreya> or k3b
[03:25] <bretzel> Seveas: other lines I think related: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out
[03:25] <bretzel> Mar  8 09:01:28 felix kernel: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5).
[03:26] <hayden> ill try gnomebaker
[03:26] <bretzel> but localhost... I doubt...
[03:26] <hayden> membreya, how do i install it
[03:27] <bretzel> The two mount point are ... mouted... after 5 minutes tho ... ?? Now I look on the server side logs ...
[03:31] <membreya> hayden: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/
[03:33] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I open the battery monitor in xfce? It opens automatically in gnome.
[03:35] <hayden> ok thanks
[03:42] <membreya> omg
[03:42] <membreya> guess what guys???
[03:42] <hayden> lol what
[03:43] <membreya> gnome volume control no longer seg faults :D
[03:43] <membreya> gotta love updates :)
[03:43] <hayden> lol
[03:43] <hayden> i got my wifi card working with ndiswrapper, yay
[03:43] <membreya> hmm mine didnt need ndis :)
[03:44] <membreya> but i hate wireless :P
[03:44] <hayden> i can now use linux at uni instead of friggin winxp
[03:44] <membreya> lol :)
[03:44] <hayden> restart brb
[03:44] <membreya> aaah another aussie i see hayden
[03:44] <membreya> :P
[03:44] <hayden> yep
[03:50] <hayden> where in aus are you membreya
[03:50] <membreya> melbourne :)
[03:50] <membreya> you ?
[03:50] <membreya> qld :P
[03:51] <membreya> obviously :P
[03:55] <GFXstyLER> hi
[03:57] <gfxstyler> since upgrading to hoary my system is terribly slow, can someone here help me with this problem?
[03:57] <hayden> yea
[03:57] <hayden> near brisbane
[03:58] <hayden> membreya, i'm quite happy that my wifi is working now
[03:58] <hayden> i am on a tpg laptop (www.tpg.com.au/online) and i have heard on forums like whirlpool that the wifi card doesn't work under linux
[04:00] <viperman> hello
[04:01] <paulproteus> hayden: Your wifi does work, right?
[04:01] <hayden> yea
[04:02] <cg_> oi
[04:02] <viperman> how can i change in firefox..the color of menu items? like FILE, EDIT, VIEW, GO.....becuase i set dark theme with black background ant white fonts...and i see nothing in firefox....
[04:02] <viperman> should i have modify firefox theme?
[04:02] <hayden> its a draytek vigor560 pcmcia card paulproteus
[04:03] <sproingie> hm i just installed a boatload of packages with aptitude and some didnt install right.  how do i go back and try to install them again?
[04:03] <sproingie> aptitude doesnt respond if i just hit + next to the package marked "u"
[04:04] <gfxstyler> after upgrading to hoary my system is terribly slow, can someone here help me with this problem?
[04:06] <sproingie> gfxstyler: what app in particular is slow?
[04:07] <gfxstyler> sproingie: all apps
[04:07] <cg_> just upgrade to hoary, but now dont have sound
[04:07] <gfxstyler> but firefox and nautilus the most
[04:08] <Burgundavia> cg_: run system --> prefs --> multimedia and make sure that esd is selected
well nautilus is working as designed</snarky>  ... as for firefox, is it browsing speed, loading time?
[04:08] <sproingie> seriously i dont know nautilus enough.  ff some
[04:09] <gfxstyler> sproingie: no its just the gui interface of all programs
[04:09] <pybe> sproingie: i thought that was down to some ipv6 settings in ubuntu not firefox....
[04:09] <sproingie> x prob maybe?  what's your DISPLAY set to?
[04:09] <gfxstyler> sproingie: you mean resolution? i set it to 1280x800
[04:10] <sproingie> no, open a term, echo $DISPLAY
[04:10] <erik_> Hi all, Am I missing a package if 'nautilus applications:///' is not working ? Using up2date hoary
[04:10] <Amaranth> no, that just doesn't work anymore
[04:10] <libpng> erik_, no
[04:10] <hayden> can anyone suggest a good looking icon theme for gnome?
[04:10] <gfxstyler> sproingie: the result is :0,0
[04:11] <sproingie> hayden: i think someone ported crystal SVG
[04:11] <gfxstyler> hayden: i really like gartoon
[04:11] <libpng> hayden, d3a icons:)
[04:11] <Guinea> Hi there!
[04:11] <hayden> i just installed d3a
[04:11] <hayden> i'll check gartoon out and crystal svg
[04:11] <sproingie> gfxstyler: well that's right.  not sure.  run top, is anything sucking up CPU?
[04:11] <Guinea> I've got two hard disks and wonder, how I can mount the second one... Can you help me?
[04:12] <cg_> Burgundavia : alsa was select just changed to ESD but no sound anyway
[04:12] <Amaranth> hayden: http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/327/
[04:12] <gfxstyler> sproingie: no only sometimes i have 20% load without reason
[04:12] <hayden> thanks for the link Amaranth
[04:12] <Burgundavia> cg_: esd is the default
[04:12] <Amaranth> erik_: see /usr/share/applications and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ for how those work, if you care
[04:13] <cg_> yes
[04:13] <sproingie> gfxstyler: there's always a reason.  top should show a process eating cpu.  could be a kernel thing, but even that should show up
[04:14] <gfxstyler> sproingie: do i have to install my graphic cards drivers? because i have an ati, i cannot get it to run right
[04:14] <erik_> libpng: So it's still disabled or not finished or whatever , I was wondering if it was my false ... Than I (we) have to wait
[04:14] <sproingie> gfxstyler: i've used both ati drivers, they work fine.  havent tried 3d of course
[04:15] <sproingie> gfxstyler: what kind of ati?
[04:15] <gfxstyler> sproingie: top says its xorg thats taking 20% cpu load sometimes
[04:15] <[m0rph] > what program is run when you click "share this folder"?
[04:15] <gfxstyler> radeon 9600 mobility
[04:15] <sproingie> gfxstyler: ooh those could be trouble.  which driver you using right now?
[04:15] <cg_> Default Sink and Defaul Source are both with ESD
[04:16] <gfxstyler> sproingie: i use the standart ubuntu driver right now
[04:16] <sproingie> gfxstyler: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg/conf
[04:16] <sproingie> gfxstyler: should see a line that says Driver "ati", right?
[04:17] <gfxstyler> yes
[04:17] <gfxstyler> keyboard, mouse, synaptics and ati
[04:17] <erik_> Amaranth: I already know that but it is so circumstantial .. Then I'll press ALT+F2 furthermore and wait for gnome Version ?.?? ;-)
[04:17] <Amaranth> erik_: err...
[04:18] <sproingie> gfxstyler: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:18] <gfxstyler> i will try to install the new ati driver, hope that will solve the problems
[04:18] <sproingie> gfxstyler: then edit xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx"
[04:18] <Amaranth> erik_: How is opening /usr/share/applications any different from applications:///?
[04:18] <GarySaved> I went to the ubuntu home page, and went to log in.  FireFox complained that it was unable to verify their identity.  Should I worry about this?
[04:18] <gfxstyler> sproingie: thanks :)
[04:18] <Amaranth> GarySaved: No, they use a self-signed cert.
[04:18] <sproingie> gfxstyler: i dont claim that won't make the problem *worse*, but it's pretty snappy for me (radeon 9800)
[04:18] <Amaranth> Firefox is complaining about that.
[04:18] <[m0rph] > why don't they let thawte sign it? ;)
[04:19] <gfxstyler> sprongie: i dont think it can get more worse than it is right now *g*
[04:19] <prego> Which are the benefits of an AMD64?
[04:20] <sproingie> prego: zoom zoom
[04:20] <GarySaved> Amaranth, How do I know that when FireFox is saying it is not sure if I am giving my password to a hijacker?
[04:20] <maswan> prego: as compared to?
[04:20] <sproingie> prego: they run a lot cooler too
[04:20] <Amaranth> GarySaved: When something like that shows up.
[04:20] <sproingie> heats up my room less, fan noise is lower
[04:20] <maswan> prego: i386 as an architecture, or amd athlon64s, or?
[04:20] <Amaranth> GarySaved: But in this case you are ok.
[04:20] <vidar_> Has anybody here had problems with the volume control not working? i have sound, but cant control the volume. I have a Realtek AC97 onboard 5.1 card.
[04:21] <gfxstyler> vidar: i have this onboard card in my other pc too, no problems with it
[04:21] <prego> maswan, In my company we want a new machine, for numerical computation and postprocessing... so has the AMD64 any benefits over i386 for such tasks?
[04:21] <sproingie> prego: you want to do numerics, you probably want a powerpc actually
[04:22] <vidar_> gfxstyler: are you using ESD or alsa on that one?
[04:22] <erik_> Amaranth: In /usr/share/applications I can't edit the Categories ... or am I missing something
[04:22] <Amaranth> erik_: That's why I gave you the link to the spec.
[04:22] <gfxstyler> vidar_: ubuntu uses ESD and all other apps use alsa i guess
[04:22] <prego> sproingie, that would be a hard change...
[04:22] <GarySaved> Amaranth, O.K.  Makes me nervous.  I assume someone knows about it and is going to fix it before the release?
[04:22] <maswan> prego: Yes. First, the amd64 isa allows to use more than 2-4 gigs of ram, if that is needed. Secondly, the AMD Opteron series is rather good at number crunching
[04:23] <sproingie> prego: otherwise an opteron is for you.  xeon with EMT64 will also do, but boy i could grill a steak on my dual xeon box
[04:23] <Amaranth> GNOME reads data from inside the XML files in there to figure out what category to place it in. There are more categories then GNOME has so it lumps several of them together.
[04:23] <Amaranth> Like Network and WebBrowser both going into Internet in GNOME
[04:23] <prego> maswan, i386 cannot handle more than 2Gb  of ram?
[04:23] <maswan> prego: of course, an intel xeon would probably work too, they run a bit hotter though, but what will get you best performance/currency depends on the specifics of your applications and what deals you can get with price
[04:24] <sproingie> prego: no, it can.  however, 64 bit means you can fit a long long in a register.  zoomzoom
[04:24] <vidar_> gfxstyler: i get the "Failed to construct test pipeline" when i test the alsa
[04:24] <prego> sproingie, but in my case precission is not an issue...
[04:24] <nikolai> wow, i just installed kde 3.4
[04:24] <sproingie> i suppose SSE2 has those 64 bit registers too, but not general purpose
[04:24] <maswan> prego: no, that's where the 32-bit adressing hits the limit. there are tricks to use more, but those come at a performance penalty.
[04:24] <nikolai> with plastik its pretty goodlooking}}}
[04:24] <gfxstyler> vidar_: what ubuntu version are you using?
[04:24] <nikolai> !!!
[04:25] <prego> maswan, that is a good point that enlightens me ;-)
[04:25] <sproingie> prego: do you have source for your numerical app?
[04:25] <gfxstyler> vidar_: i used warty
[04:25] <vidar_> gfxstyler: hoary
[04:25] <nikolai> im using hoarz
[04:25] <nikolai> y
[04:25] <erik_> Amaranth: I have read it, but when you  quickly want to reorgnize your menu items it's not a very friendly way :-)
[04:25] <prego> sproingie, it is company built-in code...
[04:25] <prego> sproingie, so I have total access
[04:25] <sproingie> prego: if you can recompile it yourself, i recommend a xeon and intel's compiler.  otherwise you'll find an opteron is generally *slightly* faster
[04:25] <sproingie> prego: and you'll find a PPC pretty much screams on numerics
[04:25] <theine> hi, has anybody set up the Java Media Framework on his/her Ubuntu box?
[04:26] <Amaranth> erik_: I'm sure there is a tool for it, I just can't remember where to find it.
[04:26] <erik_> Amaranth: Do you know when menu editing will be again part of standard gnome
[04:26] <Guinea> ich muss mal eben neustarten
[04:26] <erik_> Amaranth: A tool ... I have to google right now
[04:26] <Amaranth> erik_: From applications:/// like it used to be? Never, I hope.
[04:26] <cg_> hi, any body here to help
[04:26] <cg_> ??
[04:27] <nikolai> hey, can someone tell me how to configure dropshadows from within kde???
[04:27] <prego> sproingie, when compiling in AMD64, float still means 8*4 bits and so on?
[04:27] <nikolai> if one can at all...
[04:27] <gfxstyler> brb
[04:27] <Amaranth> The structure isn't hierarchial (sp?) anymore. One shortcut can go into more then one category.
[04:27] <sproingie> prego: i never recall what a single precision float is.  a double is 54 bits IIRC, so it gets stuffed into a 64 bit FP register
[04:28] <Amaranth> nikolai: Sounds like xcompmgr magic.
[04:28] <nikolai> thanx
[04:28] <prego> sproingie, I see... btw a single precision float in i386 is half a double, so fits into 32 bit AFAIK
[04:28] <prego> sproingie, and powerpc, are them 64bit?
[04:28] <nikolai> but i thought kcontrol could somehow do it too....on a gui level...thats the real reason I installed kde actually
[04:28] <nikolai> hahaha
[04:29] <sproingie> prego: most FP optimizations use double anyway, so you really lose nothing from using double
[04:29] <sproingie> prego: unless you're really constrained for space, i guess
[04:29] <cg_> cant figure out how to have sound from a audigy2 ZS!!!
[04:29] <nikolai> oh well, if thats the case, im switching back to gnome
[04:29] <nikolai> for now
[04:29] <nikolai> have a nice day, everyone!!!
[04:29] <nikolai> ciao
[04:30] <prego> sproingie, not really, just wondering "to do the jump" or not...
[04:30] <nikolai> long live ubuntu
[04:30] <sproingie> nikolai: i'm happy w/ kde, but it's in a state of big brokenness on hoary with the switch to 3.4.  should settle in a few days
[04:30] <erik_> Amaranth: I have now preference for that. But it should be the best if you can directly drag&drop and add/remove categories and  entries
[04:30] <sproingie> but hey i speak to shadows
[04:30] <Amaranth> sproingie: hehe
[04:31] <prego> sproingie, and, if I setup a AMD64 with 64bit OS (ubuntu, SuSE or whatever), will it run 32bit compiled apps or should I recompile everything?
[04:31] <sproingie> prego: i think you'll find there's almost no jump.  i'm happily running on amd64 and it feels identical
[04:31] <Amaranth> erik_: Well, DnD might not be the best idea but being able to add and remove categories and entries would be nice.
[04:31] <sproingie> prego: i'm told a few apps here and there won't port, but otherwise it's the same
[04:31] <prego> sproingie, but binnaries?
[04:32] <Amaranth> You could create a new category and tell GNOME what fd.o menu categories should go in it.
[04:32] <sproingie> prego: 32 bit compat is turned on, so it'll run any 32 bit linux binary
[04:32] <prego> sproingie, so you may have a mixture of 32bit and 64bit apps?
[04:33] <prego> sproingie, sorry for so much questions... just trying to make my mind into...
[04:33] <sproingie> prego: no, i imagine it's all 64 bit for me.  but if i got a 32 bit app, it would run fine
[04:33] <erik_> Amaranth: Yes that'S the most horrible thing right now, if I would be a C Guru I'll would have done this already ... ;-)
[04:33] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:33] <sproingie> prego: only 32 bit stuff that doesnt run in compatibility is device drivers, since those arent separate processes
[04:34] <Amaranth> If I wasn't sure something already existed I'd think about working on a nice PyGTK GUI for editting /usr/share/applications, at least.
[04:34] <m0rphx> what do you guys get when you select multiple folders in nautilus and view the properties?
[04:34] <prego> sproingie, maswan thanks for your help ;-))
[04:34] <Amaranth> m0rphx: Basic, Emblems, and Permissions tabs
[04:35] <sproingie> Amaranth: what's /usr/share/applications do?  I see a smattering of apps in it, but it seems to have little relation to anything on my desktop
[04:35] <m0rphx> Amaranth: oh sorry, I forgot: do you get the right size for all the folders together?
[04:35] <Amaranth> afaik it's correct
[04:36] <jordanau> When I do a smart upgrade in synaptic, it marks a version of the linux kernel I am no longer using, how do i make it look for a different kernel?
[04:36] <m0rphx> it changes for me, the one time it shows the size of all folders, the other time just one folder
[04:36] <Amaranth> sproingie: They are XML documents that gnome-menus uses to determine what the put in the Applications menu and under what category.
[04:36] <hayden> i found a nice icon theme i like called Glossed, but on the bottom panel in the bottom left there is a red x where the show desktop icon should be
[04:36] <jordanau> it wants to upgrade 386 and i am running 686
[04:37] <cg_> hoary not working with audigy2 ? nobody nows?
[04:37] <sproingie> Amaranth: hm they dont look like xml to me.  i just did a cat /usr/share/applications/emacs21.desktop and it looked like ini file format
[04:37] <sproingie> i.e. looked just like a kde desktop shortcut
[04:37] <sproingie> 'course i'm running kde ... guess they both drop them in the same place
[04:37] <Amaranth> oh, my bad
[04:37] <Amaranth> there are INI
[04:38] <Amaranth> Yeah, the whole point is that KDE and GNOME share them.
[04:38] <prego> sproingie, one more question, are there Nvidia drivers for AMD64??
[04:38] <sproingie> prego: yep, i believe so
[04:38] <prego> sproingie, (posprocessing uses OpenGL intensively)
[04:38] <sproingie> prego: ooh you probably dont want an ati in there then
[04:39] <sproingie> ive heard nothing but venom about ati's 3d drivers on linux
[04:41] <prego> sproingie, long time ago we switched to nvidia and never looked back again
[04:41] <sproingie> oh yeah i just remembered one thing that doesnt work on amd64
[04:41] <sproingie> flash
[04:43] <sproingie> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-6629.html
[04:43] <quarupt> can you upload to an ftp using a web browser?
[04:43] <sproingie> quarupt: usually, yes.  drag and drop
[04:43] <quarupt> awesome
[04:46] <Smeven> hi
[04:46] <quarupt> has anyone in here ever used the real vnc java applet from a web browser to connect to there box via vino?
[04:46] <prego> sproingie, I don't care Flash at all. However, acroread would be interesting it run. Does it?
[04:46] <Smeven> i am using ubuntu on am64 and i am trying to get cool and quiet running
[04:47] <Smeven> i tried to load the powernow module and is gives a psb bios error on dmesg
[04:48] <prego> quarupt, shouldn't be a problem
[04:49] <sproingie> prego: should, long as you have binary compatibility in the kernel (all vendor kernels do)
[04:49] <quarupt> prego, well i didnt know if it was feature of just realvnc or vino as well
[04:50] <lok> Smeven, try to use cpufreq-selector
[04:50] <sproingie> prego: flash doesnt work because it's a library.  can't link 32 bit libraries into 64 bit apps
[04:50] <lok> but it's strange that powernowd is not running
[04:50] <quarupt> prego, cause i cant seem to get it working, then again, i dont have the firefox java plugin installed yet eitther, cant remeber how
[04:51] <Smeven> lok: i tried
[04:52] <lok> you use the amd64 ubuntu not the i386 one ?
[04:52] <sproingie> bah, latest download version of acroread from adobe is still 5.x
[04:52] <sproingie> static bloatif linking and all
[04:52] <sproingie> anyone know where to get the 7.0 linux beta?
[04:52] <lok> because the x86_64 generic kernel enable the powernow
[04:52] <Smeven> lok: right
[04:52] <quarupt> prego, all i get when i try to connect is RFB 003.007
[04:52] <quarupt> ?
[04:53] <Smeven> lok: i have the gnome cpufreq applet in the panel
[04:53] <Smeven> i have the amd64 live cd (sent straight from ubuntu)
[04:53] <Smeven> and my machine is running at only 800Mhz
[04:53] <lok> aaaaah
[04:54] <mdke_laptop> anyone home who understands how the MoinMoin code of the wiki works?
[04:54] <quarupt> prego, so can ya help?
[04:54] <lok> it's semms to me that's a probleme with cpufreq then because when I use it I can't uperclock to 1800
[04:54] <lok> I launch powernowd
[04:54] <Smeven> powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b)
[04:54] <Smeven> powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB
[04:55] <lok> your bios does not support the powernow
[04:55] <lok> maybe
[04:55] <prego> quarupt, all I can say is that I've used vino with other machine vncvieiwer... and I didn't have a problem eventhough vncviewer I used is quite old (at a RH7.3 machine)
[04:55] <Smeven> lok: it says it does in the bios.
[04:56] <quarupt> prego, no im trying to use the java applet via a browser to connect, it uses something different i think
[04:56] <prego> quarupt, I tried java applet long time ago and didn't require anything special as far as I recall...
[04:57] <prego> quarupt, except of java, obviously
[04:57] <prego> quarupt, however it was slower compared to standalone vncviewer
[04:57] <quarupt> well it says ya have to connect to a different port based on your display, i dunno im having trouble understanding it
[04:58] <quarupt> http://www.realvnc.com/javavncviewer.html
[04:58] <quarupt> take a look
[05:01] <prego> quarupt, you are right, it doesn't work
[05:01] <prego> quarupt, probably vino does not offer the java applet
[05:01] <quarupt> thast what i asked in the beginning, and you said it should be fine lol
[05:02] <quarupt> guess ill have to install the actual vnc server
[05:02] <prego> quarupt, You are right again, I'm sorry
[05:02] <quarupt> damn, and of course they dont have one for AMD64 linux
[05:02] <quarupt> grr
[05:02] <prego> quarupt, "normal" vncserver should be enough
[05:03] <prego> quarupt, vncserver is not at ubuntu packages?
[05:03] <quarupt> i cant run its for x86
[05:03] <quarupt> id have to chroot it
[05:04] <tritium> does evolution-exchange-storage not crash repeatedly for anybody?
[05:04] <Pluk> vncserver is in universe
[05:04] <prego> quarupt, btw, I'm getting same message for vncserver
[05:05] <HeinrchWulfli> hi
[05:05] <quarupt> prego, ok thx
[05:05] <quarupt> i even setup port forwardinf
[05:05] <prego> quarupt, perhaps there is some configuration option for that
[05:05] <VladDrac> does anyone know a nice (iPhoto-like, but less sucky) photo view app for gnome?
[05:05] <prego> VladDrac, gthumb for me
[05:06] <VladDrac> prego: does that allow you to make albums, rotate, etc?
[05:06] <prego> VladDrac, yes
[05:06] <VladDrac> ok I'll look at it - tx
[05:06] <prego> VladDrac, and also does nice interpolation at large zoomings
[05:06] <HeinrchWulfli> i just downloaded mini.iso of Array 6 and started to install/boot from HD.. it goes well... till software choosing cames.. i get an error about archive mirror! i tried already daily array6 5 and so on.. what am i doing wrong?
[05:08] <quarupt> prego, but where, i could never find a conf for vino
[05:09] <GNAM> what's qmake?
[05:09] <fuoco> anyone knows what CFLAGS and LDFLAGS ubuntu is using for gnome and other packages?
[05:09] <GNAM> azz qt stuff
[05:10] <huami> hi! how to add a script that will be executed during system start-up ?
[05:10] <VladDrac> cool, gphoto looks nice
[05:11] <prego> quarupt, I don't know if vino depends on vncserver; if such, probably it is matter of vncserver configuration...
[05:11] <quarupt> ya prolly
[05:11] <GNAM> how can i find a file on linux? a think like "dir \nomefile /s"
[05:11] <Echylo> damn
[05:11] <GNAM> thing
[05:11] <Echylo> I think I fucked up my installation
[05:12] <schweeb> GNAM: find / -name "file"
[05:12] <schweeb> GNAM: or for case insensitive search, use -iname rather than -name
[05:12] <prego> quarupt, nope, vino seems to be independent from vncserver
[05:13] <GNAM> thanks
[05:14] <eugi83> ciao a tutti
[05:14] <eugi83> chi mi aiuta
[05:14] <eugi83> ?
[05:14] <mdke_laptop> eugi83, #ubuntu-it
[05:14] <mdke_laptop> io cmq
[05:15] <eugi83> :)
[05:15] <GNAM> auauu figo ubuntu-it
[05:15] <Smeven> i heard that gnome 2.10 is in ubuntu
[05:15] <mdke_laptop> yep
[05:15] <Smeven> do i need to run hoary?
[05:16] <mdke_laptop> yes
[05:16] <Hannes_> Smeven: yes
[05:16] <Hannes_> updating 109 pkgs :P
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> btw, when I upgrade my system to hoary, can I expect it to be a painless project, or should I prepare for the worst?
[05:17] <ICU> hmm i tried to use libpam-ssh with gdm and changed the /etc/pam.d/gdm file as suggested in README.Debian but it doesn't work. any hints what i could have done wrong?
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> I mean, can it fuck up my system?
[05:17] <mdke_laptop> Fator_Dee, it will probably not be pain-free
[05:17] <schasi> Fator_Dee: There is always a chance, but it shouldnt.
[05:17] <mdke_laptop> Fator_Dee, best to wait until it is stable
[05:18] <membreya> Smeven: gnome 2.10 was just released in ubuntu in the last few days :)
[05:18] <schasi> But there are things that are not working yet in hoary, which is why it is not stable ;-) you should prepare for _that_
[05:18] <Smeven> thats awesome :)
[05:18] <Fator_Dee> I'll wait for it to be stable, and shouldn't that be until next month?
[05:18] <schasi> Yes and best wait until it is stable
[05:18] <membreya> yup next month Fator_Dee
[05:18] <quarupt> Yes I am running gnome 2.10 and didnt even realize it
[05:18] <schasi> Fator_Dee: Why would you update?
[05:18] <Smeven> i have been hacking on gnome-terminal the last day or so
[05:19] <Fator_Dee> schasi: new versions of programs mostly
[05:19] <membreya> bout time we got a stable release of gnome :)
[05:20] <quarupt> touch me where it smells funny
[05:20] <Echylo> Fator_Dee, i'm fucking up my system right now
[05:21] <Echylo> updating to hoary
[05:21] <Echylo> :p
[05:21] <Echylo> sorry :)
[05:21] <Fator_Dee> Echylo: (^_^)_b
[05:21] <membreya> you're only just installing it now Echylo ?
[05:21] <Echylo> yup
[05:21] <Echylo> rebuilding the dabatse
[05:21] <Echylo> rebuilding the database
[05:22] <schasi> Fator_Dee: You could do backups and try it out ;-)
[05:22] <quarupt> is there a limewire> for AMD64?
[05:22] <schasi> And is your installation _that_ important?
[05:22] <membreya> well then welcome to the future Echylo :)
[05:22] <Echylo> :D
[05:22] <quarupt> i didnt think it would matter since its based on java
[05:22] <Echylo> well I think I'm stuck in the past with one leg
[05:22] <Fator_Dee> schasi: maybe not :-p, i'd go crazy if I'd have to reinstall or something
[05:22] <andrewski> so my computer's sporadically making this scratchy noise that coincides with the cursor blinking, the mouse moving, me typing, etc.  has anyone else experienced this?
[05:23] <snowblink> andrewski: HDD?
[05:23] <djp> as soon as hoary is ready for an official release, I'm there!
[05:23] <Fator_Dee> I mean, I want to actually use my computer to do something, not just try and tweak/conf/etc it
[05:23] <quarupt> WTF this deb wont install cause of arch mismatch, anyone know how to force dpkg to install something?
[05:24] <schasi> Fator_Dee: Tell me you _do_ backups
[05:24] <andrewski> snowblink: no, i can run hdparm tests and it's fine.
[05:24] <schasi> Well Fator_Dee it could even break _then_ somehow. Nothing is impossible
[05:24] <Fator_Dee> well, I bought a 100 dvd+r's a while ago, so yes :-)
[05:25] <membreya> quarupt: let me see if I can install limewire :)
[05:25] <Echylo> not that hard ^
[05:25] <Echylo> even I can handle that
[05:25] <quarupt> not on AMD64 ya cant
[05:26] <Echylo> all hope this update comes to a good end
[05:26] <Echylo> (please)
[05:26] <quarupt> its just cause its a deb i generated witb alien while i was still on i386 all i have to do is generate a new deb from the bin on the AMD64 machine
[05:26] <snowblink> *sigh* if only window focus could follow my eyes...
[05:26] <Echylo> :D
[05:27] <djp> Echylo: my upgrade from wart to hoary was as smooth as jamelia's bottom...
[05:27] <gert> hi im on an amd64 and i would like to compile wine
[05:27] <Echylo> well then my system uses another bottom
[05:27] <quarupt> then you need to get back on x86
[05:27] <gert> but it gives an error on ./configure
[05:28] <Echylo> which one gert
[05:28] <Echylo> and btw
[05:28] <gert> gcc unable to compile executables
[05:28] <Echylo> als je toch nederlands spreekt, en blijkbaar op de VUB zit :P kan je naar #ubuntu-nl
[05:28] <gert> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:28] <NecroNeo> any1 knows how to get my laptop into suspended mode when I close the lid?
[05:28] <gert> Echylo bedankt :-)
[05:28] <Echylo> ;)
[05:28] <Echylo> medebelgen helpen elkaar eh
[05:29] <Echylo> ok
[05:29] <Echylo> it's updated
[05:29] <Echylo> let's reboot
[05:29] <Echylo> hope I see y'all back :P
[05:29] <membreya> gl Echylo :)
[05:29] <Woodwizzle> Hello
[05:30] <gert> can anyone help me?
[05:30] <invitro> Has anyone managed to get gamin working properly (like fam did)?
[05:30] <invitro> I want my desktop to get updated when I download files to it.
[05:32] <gert> anyone compiled wine on amd 64?
[05:33] <quarupt> get, there is no wine for AMD64 yet
[05:33] <quarupt> you will have to read about CHROOT
[05:33] <gert> compile from source must be pssible
[05:33] <quarupt> and do it natice x86
[05:33] <gert> or isnt that possible either?
[05:33] <quarupt> native
[05:33] <gert> i know there are no binary packages for it
[05:35] <schasi> gert: wine has x86specific parts in it
[05:35] <quarupt> Im pissed that someone told me if i switched to AMD64 that i would be able to run limeire just fine cause its java based, WELL BS cause whe ya try to install it it says error: acrh mismatch no AMD64 support
[05:35] <schasi> Thats why it cant be simply recompile
[05:35] <schasi> d
[05:35] <schasi> gert: Same with ppc, there is no wine for mac
[05:36] <quarupt> read about AMD64 chroot x86 project
[05:36] <gert> ok, ill see
[05:36] <gert> thx
[05:36] <schasi> can amd64 do "on-the-fly-32bit-emulation2?
[05:36] <schasi> So that you can mix 32 and 32*2 bit programmes?
[05:37] <VladDrac> I wonder if I can hack some logic into wlan/wireless selection...
[05:37] <VladDrac> i.e. use wlan if available, else default to wireless
[05:38] <quarupt> great so with AMD64 ya get DOUBLE the registers and HALF the apps
[05:39] <soulhack> i've got a problem, when I start my computer and most of the modules (?) have loaded i get this message: Modprobe: FATAL ERROR Inserting Hw_Random, pciehp, shpchp.
[05:40] <soulhack> It's just below "loading Hotplug module" or something.
[05:40] <quarupt> type dmesg
[05:40] <membreya> quarupt: I'm running limewire on AMD64
[05:40] <quarupt> not pro
[05:40] <membreya> not pro
[05:40] <quarupt> i know
[05:40] <membreya> unless you can give me a d/l link :)
[05:40] <soulhack> quarupt, me? and then?
[05:41] <quarupt> i have the deb, yont do ya no good if yur on AMD64 ubuntu
[05:41] <quarupt> wont
[05:41] <R0bNyc> limewire s**ks
[05:42] <quarupt> yea right
[05:42] <R0bNyc> gkt-gnutella , mldonkey and apollon are good
[05:42] <membreya> R0bNyc: I prefer azureus :)
[05:42] <membreya> especially for my tv eps :)
[05:42] <soulhack> can anyone help me?
[05:42] <Montagh> phex seemed better if you had to use java
[05:42] <quarupt> you have no cue what your talking about
[05:42] <membreya> just finished getting Dead Like Me series 1
[05:42] <R0bNyc> membreya, and what bittorrent sites you use
[05:42] <quarupt> whatever ones arent shut sown by the MPAA this week
[05:43] <quarupt> crap i gotta goto work
[05:43] <quarupt> i havent even slept
[05:43] <R0bNyc> membreya, where do you d/l from
[05:43] <quarupt> damn the man
[05:43] <hedu> laptop, warty, graphic card, second monitor howto ?????????????????
[05:44] <membreya> R0bNyc: http://btefnet.net/, http://www.novatina.com/
[05:45] <quarupt> hedu type exactlu what ya just did into wii
[05:45] <quarupt> wiki
[05:45] <R0bNyc> membreya, thanks let me take a lok
[05:46] <hedu> quarupt sorry????
[05:48] <hedu> need help to get an external monitor working on my laptop running warty XFree
[05:52] <Fator_Dee> I have these on my dmesg: "acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_unregister_performance" and "acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_register_performance", what do they mean and should I try to do something?
[05:52] <gert> has anyone gotten quake2 working?
[05:53] <gert> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[05:53] <gert> this is what i get
[05:53] <gert> google return little
[05:53] <R0bNyc> membreya, whats your favorite player
[05:53] <GNAM> what's the meaning of "segmentation fault" by a program? meaning is tha's a shit program?
[05:53] <Montagh> its busted
[05:54] <membreya> for the vids R0bNyc ? I just use mplayer :)
[05:54] <membreya> GNAM: seg fault means the program is crashing
[05:54] <R0bNyc> oh
[05:54] <R0bNyc> membreya, I cant find mplayer =
[05:55] <soulhack> where can i find a tutorial on hotplugging? ubuntu dont seem to find my digital camera when i plug it in.
[05:55] <soulhack> and where do i upgrade to Hoary?
[05:55] <membreya> R0bNyc: have you updated your repos? and are you running hoary or warty?
[05:56] <larsrohdin> is there any messenger in linux that is fully compatible with msn messenger? i mean with webcams and stuff?
[05:56] <R0bNyc> membreya, hoary array 6
[05:56] <membreya> then edit your repos :)
[05:56] <R0bNyc> larsrohdin, no linux lacks messengaging stuff unlike windows
[05:56] <R0bNyc> membreya, edit to what
[05:57] <membreya> larsrohdin: you could try gaim-vv..but good luck :\
[05:57] <dmallery> hi on a supermicro 370de6 mobo (2x p3 1k) at the reboot in install it gets to "starting hotplug subsystem" hits the disk a few times and hangs.  have tried acpi=off and apm=off.. no joy.
[05:57] <R0bNyc> oh you mean add multiverse
[05:57] <membreya> ya
[05:57] <membreya> R0bNyc: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:57] <larsrohdin> membreya, ok... thats too bad, i want to see the people i talk to.
[05:57] <membreya> larsrohdin: the other option is to use gnomemeeting
[05:58] <membreya> but that uses netmeeting protocol
[05:58] <Smeven> hi
[05:59] <jrm4> hey, speaking of iming, does gaim support multiple instances? like i want my yahoos in one window and aimer's in another?
[05:59] <R0bNyc> membreya, whats that warty-backports main universe thing, i copied the debian-marillat since all the rest are warty
[05:59] <michelp> anyone know if they are going to mail out free hoarys like they did wartys?
[05:59] <membreya> R0bNyc: you just need to change the warty to hoary
[06:00] <R0bNyc> whats the backports for
[06:01] <dmallery> hi  could someone help me with a warty install hang?
[06:04] <soulhack> how do i enable sounds in ubuntu?
[06:04] <soulhack> such great question.
[06:05] <aram> ola
[06:05] <soulhack> hi
[06:05] <soulhack> do you know how i can enable sounds? :)
[06:05] <soulhack> or how to download codecs for that matter.
[06:06] <dmallery> hi  could someone help me with a warty install hang?
[06:08] <Smeven> is 2.10 that good?
[06:08] <Smeven> does it seem faster and nicer to my ram?
[06:08] <Smeven> or the opposite :)
[06:09] <membreya> Smeven: im just happy to be running a stable gnome now :P
[06:09] <Smeven> i develop though, it makes it easier not having to use a build script or compile a lot from source
[06:11] <dmallery> hi...  could someone please help me with a warty install hang?
[06:11] <Smeven> more info perhaps
[06:11] <Philuk86> dmallery: just ask your question, il help if i can
[06:11] <dmallery> hi on a supermicro 370de6 mobo (2x p3 1k) at the reboot in install it gets to "starting hotplug subsystem" hits the disk a few times and hangs.  have tried acpi=off and apm=off.. no joy.
[06:12] <Smeven> is there an option to turn off hotplug?
[06:12] <dmallery> also have repeated the install to that point.
[06:12] <Smeven> hm
[06:12] <prego> GNAM, segmentation fault means that the program has tried to access a wrong segment of memory. Probably because of an error in the program.
[06:13] <dmallery> are those boot options in a man page somewhere??
[06:13] <Seveas> dmallery, acpi=noapic and acpi=force don't work either?
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> have you waited long enough? I mean the starting hotplug thingy takes a while on my system?
[06:13] <eruin> maaaan why does polypaudio have to constantly use 10-13% of my cpu ?
[06:13] <dmallery> i will go try them now... thanks!
[06:13] <dmallery> have waited half hour...
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> oh :-|
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> maybe that counts as "long enough"
[06:14] <Echylo> yaaaay
[06:14] <Echylo> hoary is running fine now!
[06:14] <poxymox> Aloha
[06:14] <membreya> well done Echylo :)
[06:15] <Echylo> :)
[06:15] <Echylo> only my xmms hangs
[06:15] <Echylo> when I try to play
[06:16] <wasabi__> hmm, does warty's mkinitrd support lvm and evms?
[06:16] <paulproteus> Echylo: First of all, use Beep Media Player instead of XMMS.
[06:16] <paulproteus> It's Just Better.
[06:16] <paulproteus> Second, you need to configure XMMS to use the esound output plugin.
[06:16] <paulproteus> You can do that by going into the preferences screen in XMMS and selecting esound rather than OSS; OSS is the default, and will not work on an Ubuntu system.
[06:17] <wasabi__> why does it feel wrong to use hotplug and udev on a server
[06:17] <wasabi__> yet, i know every other OS does it this way
[06:17] <Echylo> thanks
[06:17] <Echylo> done
[06:17] <Echylo> and it works!
[06:17] <blizah> echylo. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[06:17] <sigglet> wasabi__: what do you mean feels wrong?
[06:17] <sigglet> udev is a wonderful thing
[06:17] <wasabi__> sigglet, it just feels wrong to use any sort of automatic hardware detection on a server.
[06:17] <wasabi__> It's always been a Linux admin thing to manage that manually.
[06:17] <sigglet> wasabi__: why? when it saves you from manually doing it
[06:17] <sigglet> time management
[06:17] <membreya> paulproteus: OSS works fine for me in XMMS
[06:17] <wasabi__> because it Might Break
[06:18] <sigglet> there is no difference other than having to waste your time to modprobe
[06:18] <wasabi__> /etc/modules
[06:18] <sigglet> wasabi__: why would it break?
[06:18] <soulhack> how do i turn on the sound support soundcore module?
[06:18] <wasabi__> sigglet, good question
[06:18] <sigglet> dork
[06:18] <blizah> oh is hoary out? :D
[06:18] <blizah> stable version?
[06:18] <membreya> blizah: next month
[06:18] <blizah> oh :(
[06:18] <blizah> hehe
[06:19] <paulproteus> membreya: It will work on a few sound cards, like Sound Blaster Live.
[06:19] <paulproteus> But for most it won't.
[06:19] <membreya> paulproteus: just using nforce3 onboard (ac97)
[06:20] <paulproteus> membreya: Interesting.
[06:20] <paulproteus> It's a driver quality issue, usually.
[06:20] <Echylo> :P
[06:20] <Echylo> free beer
[06:20] <membreya> you even old enough to drink Echylo ? :P
[06:20] <Echylo> I don't drink alco
[06:20] <Echylo> never :)
[06:20] <membreya> :| freak
[06:20] <Echylo> no
[06:21] <Echylo> personal experiences
[06:21] <Echylo> no
[06:21] <Echylo> not that
[06:21] <Echylo> just experiences
[06:22] <membreya> im banned from drinking :(
[06:22] <membreya> lol poxy
[06:23] <membreya> oo my sata drive is udma6 in ubuntu :P
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Echylo: I can handle your share of beer :-p
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> \o/
[06:25] <membreya> give me...I've been almost 2 months without a drink!
[06:25] <membreya> :D
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> hmm
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> last time I updated to hoary
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> there was an automatic update symbol
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> in system...
[06:26] <membreya> still there Echy|Shower :)
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> not here
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> nope
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> checked every meny
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> menu*
[06:27] <membreya> System > Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> not here
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> told you
[06:27] <membreya> got synaptic installed? :P
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> yes
[06:28] <membreya> do you have usr/bin/update-manager
[06:28] <hawke_> Echy|Shower: run update-notifier
[06:28] <Echy|Shower> it didn't even installed xorg
[06:29] <Echy|Shower> how does he dare
[06:29] <soulhack> where can i find my kernel?
[06:30] <linuxboy> soulhack: /boot
[06:31] <hawke_> soulhack: In your RAM chips
[06:31] <soulhack> i want to do this:
[06:31] <soulhack> You must turn on the sound support soundcore module. This is in the kernel. Look in the sound drivers directory and it should be the first option.
[06:31] <hawke_> soulhack: 'modprobe soundcore'
[06:32] <soulhack> i am still lost, i dont know how to 'edit my kernel'
[06:35] <Wiseguy> hi
[06:35] <Wiseguy> totally offtopic question (just need native english speakers"
[06:35] <Wiseguy> )
[06:35] <Wiseguy> on http://creativecommons.org/
[06:35] <soulhack> why?
[06:35] <Wiseguy> shouldnt the headline read "Creative Commons is a nonprofit ORGANIZATION that offers a flexible copyright for creative work."
[06:35] <soulhack> i use a creativecommons licence (also off topic)
[06:36] <Fator_Dee> Wiseguy: weel of course
[06:36] <Fator_Dee> *well
[06:36] <Wiseguy> ...
[06:36] <soulhack> yes
[06:36] <Wiseguy> ok, maybe I should send them a mail
[06:36] <andrewski> Wiseguy: yes, but there is much license for verbing words.  (e.g.)
[06:36] <andrewski> :P
[06:36] <timing> is it normal the powerpc version for ubuntu doesn't have a graphical installer?
[06:37] <GarySaved> A friend of mine installed Warty, and has a dialup ISP.  Where does he go to connect?
[06:37] <andrewski> timing: graphical?
[06:37] <timing> yeah with graphics
[06:37] <soulhack> really, how do i edit my kernel to enable the soundcore?
[06:37] <timing> i don't mind though
[06:37] <soulhack> i cant find this anywhere
[06:37] <andrewski> GarySaved: there are programs with ppp in the name; i think that's it, but i'm not sure.
[06:38] <andrewski> timing: when i installed warty (i386), it didn't have graphics
[06:38] <neighborlee> any opengl pros in here atm as I could use help with errors i'm getting running some opengl examples ;(
[06:38] <airox> after upgrading to ubuntu, should i restart ?
[06:38] <GarySaved> andrewski, Thanks
[06:38] <mgedmin> uh oh, random gnome file dialogs freeze until I kill gam_server
[06:38] <andrewski> airox: upgrading to hoary?
[06:38] <timing> andrewski: you had to setup x.org yourself?
[06:38] <airox> andrewski: sorry, that's what i ment :O)
[06:38] <andrewski> timing: well, no.
[06:38] <airox> -O
[06:38] <andrewski> airox: you don't need to restart, but you won't be using the updated kernel until then.
[06:38] <timing> andrewski: oke, cool. BTW why is it called warty?
[06:39] <andrewski> timing: [shrugs]
[06:39] <timing> ah too bad
[06:39] <airox> oke, rebooting then :)
[06:39] <andrewski> airox: i would at least restart X so you're using X.org/updated GDM/updated Gnome, GTK, etc. :)
[06:39] <airox> :)
[06:39] <andrewski> timing: are you making out ok?
[06:40] <timing> andrewski: yeah! just trying ubuntu on my macmini, got it on my laptop and server for two years
[06:40] <timing> debian that is
[06:40] <Wiseguy> ok, thanks
[06:40] <Wiseguy> bye
[06:40] <andrewski> timing: so you're not stuck or anything?
[06:40] <neighborlee> is hoary stable enough ( I know thats subjective but <G>) to consider upgrading ?
[06:41] <timing> andrewski: why do i receive an away message in a /query from you? very anoying
[06:41] <timing> andrewski: yeah it's gonna be allright :D
[06:41] <malte`> i got to work Hibernate on an Acer TravelMate 212TX :)
[06:41] <neighborlee> reason asking is last time I tried it from CD install I had trouble with cd automounting
[06:41] <andrewski> timing: i just went away to get some food, but i came back.
[06:41] <gilles> I have the following error msg when try to listen to a radio: There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///tmp/mandarin_0930-1030-20k.asx", you might need to install the corresponding plugins. How and what plugins to install ?
[06:41] <timing> yeah, /query away messages do suck, sinds we are not in a query
[06:42] <andrewski> timing: but if you were trying to reach me while i was away, it would let you know i wasn't here.
[06:42] <timing> andrewski: well there we have /away for
[06:42] <timing> andrewski: and i recieve it on every message i send to you
[06:42] <andrewski> timing: still?
[06:42] <timing> andrewski: i understand you are away
[06:43] <timing> yeah, i recieve it every message
[06:44] <timing> andrewski: test
[06:45] <timing> andrewski: test
[06:45] <soulhack> can anyone help me?
[06:45] <larsrohdin> hi, i have a really old macintosh... its a powerbook 230, it has only floppy, no cd... what linux can i use on it? or can i even use linux on it?
[06:47] <timing> does ubuntu for powerpc come with xfree86 or x.org?
[06:47] <larsrohdin> warty comes with xfree86...
[06:47] <andrewski> timing: i think that's a warty v. hoary question.
[06:47] <timing> larsrohdin: you can run linux on everything !
[06:47] <larsrohdin> but if its different for ppc i dont know
[06:47] <timing> warty is stable? and hoary is unstable?
[06:47] <timing> like woody and sarge in debian
[06:47] <larsrohdin> timing, thats what i thought=) but which linux-dist?
[06:48] <andrewski> timing: technically, but many (including i) are using hoary with no/few problems.
[06:48] <timing> hmm okay
[06:48] <timing> x.org is much cooler
[06:48] <larsrohdin> timing, i had problems with hoary...
[06:48] <timing> i want alpha channels!
[06:48] <timing> larsrohdin: how many memory does the 230 have?
[06:48] <andrewski> larsrohdin: i've found that only few distros support booting from floppy, but smartbootmanager (if you can get it to work) helps.  i could never get it working.
[06:48] <Echylo> I have x.org installed now what is so special about it?
[06:48] <larsrohdin> like 8mb i guess
[06:49] <andrewski> timing: then you'll need x.org :)
[06:49] <timing> debian woody got bootflops!
[06:49] <andrewski> Echylo: well, it's free; xfree changed their license which is what caused the fork.
[06:49] <Echylo> ok
[06:49] <Echylo> now the cool part?
[06:49] <timing> larsrohdin: you could try an old version of debian, those are small
[06:49] <andrewski> Echylo: but recent versions (6.8 and up) have true transparency.
[06:49] <andrewski> Echylo: "compositing manager" it's called.
[06:50] <timing> Echylo: it does alpha blending, so you can have really transparant windows
[06:50] <larsrohdin> timing, ok... but if i download it on this comp. is the disc readable on the mac?
[06:50] <Echylo> ok tell me about the transparant? how you manage that?
[06:50] <timing> larsrohdin: dunno, never tried linux on a mac with floppys
[06:50] <andrewski> Echylo: look at x.org's website.
[06:50] <Echylo> ok
[06:50] <andrewski> Echylo: i don't use it, but there are good howtos out there.
[06:50] <timing> I need to do the dishes!
[06:50] <timing> andrewski: script test
[06:50] <andrewski> Echylo: probably one on ubuntuforums.org
[06:50] <larsrohdin> timing, but in general, can a mac read a linuxdisc?
[06:51] <timing> larsrohdin: yeah
[06:51] <larsrohdin> ok...
[06:53] <timing> drat, x-windows is not working on my macmini
[06:53] <soulhack> ....
[06:54] <timing> andrewski: test
[06:55] <airox> the upgrade worked :)
[06:55] <andrewski> airox: yay.
[06:56] <airox> But the gnome menu doesn't show my own added shortcuts
[06:56] <airox> Is the previous config available ?
[06:57] <Echylo> ok no howto for alpha channel on forums :P
[06:57] <mrproper> I'm on Horay right now and pluged my thumb drive into the USB slot.  However, it wasn't mounted anywhere.  I thought this was supposed to happen automaticaly.
[06:58] <andrewski> mrproper: is hotplug running?
[06:58] <andrewski> Echylo: you want how to on compositing, x.org transparency...
[06:58] <timing> thanx, bye
[06:58] <andrewski> Echylo: something like that.  alpha channels wouldn't give you quite what you wanted.
[06:59] <mrproper> andrewski, When I run hotplug status, the process locks
[06:59] <Echylo> hmm ok
[06:59] <andrewski> mrproper: hmm, not good.
[06:59] <andrewski> mrproper: you're up-to-date?
[06:59] <mrproper> andrewski, Let me se3e.
[07:00] <mrproper> andrewski, It's always possible I need to reboot.
[07:00] <andrewski> mrproper: doubtful, but possible.
[07:01] <mrproper> andrewski, There's a new version of HAL for me.  Should I reboot once I get it?
[07:01] <Echylo> seems like it's not worth it got it gets slow anyway
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: yes, probably.  meaning: i don't know how to reload it.
[07:02] <andrewski> :)
[07:02] <mrproper> andrewski, It maybe an init script.
[07:02] <mrproper> andrewski, and no, hotplug doesn't seem to be running
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: your guess is as good as mine. :)
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: ah!
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: regardless of updating, you need to be running hotplug.
[07:02] <mrproper> andrewski, I'm surprised it wasn't started.
[07:03] <andrewski> mrproper: try dpkg-reconfigure hotplug
[07:03] <mrproper> andrewski, I can't do anything with the hotplug scripts.
[07:03] <andrewski> mrproper: it's installed?
[07:03] <mrproper> Yes it is.
[07:05] <andrewski> mrproper: hmm, maybe upgrade hal and reboot.  then we'll try again.  (i'll be here.)
[07:05] <andrewski> mrproper: and make sure you're using a current kernel?
[07:05] <mrproper> andrewski, Yeah.  Nothing was selected for the pkg-configure on hotplug
[07:05] <mrproper> andrewski, 2.6.8-1-5386
[07:06] <andrewski> mrproper: maybe upgrade that too; perhaps it has better hotplug support (since hotplug is a bit new)
[07:06] <mrproper> andrewski, Upgrade what?
[07:06] <airox> I was used to do this: nautilus applications:///Internet to edit and add the shortcuts in that menu. In hoary it doesn't seem to work anymore. Anybody know how to add / edit shortcuts ?
[07:06] <mrproper> andrewski, Okay, I'll be back in a few.
[07:07] <andrewski> mrproper: upgrade kernel, hal, hotplug if you can, then reboot into the newer kernel.
[07:11] <Echylo> netsplit?
[07:12] <goldfish> yes
[07:12] <Echylo> funky
[07:15] <vince_> gnome 2.6 had a "run script"-context menu in nautilus. can i reenable that?
[07:21] <mrproper> hot plug isn't running.
[07:21] <airox> /etc/init.d/hotplug start ? :)
[07:21] <mrproper> kbreit@kblinux:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[07:21] <mrproper> Password:
[07:21] <mrproper>  * Starting hotplug subsystem...
[07:22] <mrproper> Oh, now it started
[07:22] <mrproper> Took a reboot.
[07:22] <sic|work> greetings.  I did this to get to runlevel 3- telinit 3 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop    now when I boot up it boots up to a command prompt instead of gdm...how do I get it set to boot to the login screen?
[07:22] <mrproper> VERY cool.
[07:22] <andrewski> mrproper: so now it's working?
[07:23] <mrproper> andrewski, Yes it is.  I need to get hotplug to start by default though :/
[07:23] <andrewski> mrproper: now, you have to add hotplug to boot. :)
[07:23] <andrewski> mrproper: man update-rc.d IIRC
[07:23] <mrproper> andrewski, I hate debian's init scripts :/
[07:24] <andrewski> mrproper: me too.
[07:24] <schweeb> update-rc.d isn't that tough to learn...
[07:25] <andrewski> schweeb: but it's not very intuitive.
[07:25] <mrproper> I like making a symlink by myself and that's it.
[07:25] <Smeven> how do i disable sudo?
[07:25] <schweeb> check the wiki
[07:26] <schweeb> if you really want to do so
[07:26] <mrproper>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/hotplug already exist.
[07:26] <Smeven> yes
[07:26] <schweeb> do you know how the runlevel system works, mrproper?
[07:26] <mrproper> schweeb, Yes I do.
[07:27] <mrproper> I see it in init.d, but nowhere else. The man page says the script must exist in init.d before uptdate-rc.d is run though.
[07:27] <andrewski> mrproper: you can just add hotplug to your runlevel then...
[07:27] <mrproper> andrewski, With a simple sym link then?
[07:27] <schweeb> is this on ubuntu, mrproper ?
[07:27] <mrproper> schweeb, Yeah
[07:27] <schweeb> update-rc.d hotplug defaults
[07:27] <schweeb> try that
[07:28] <mrproper> already did
[07:28] <mrproper> Thats the error I get
[07:28] <andrewski> mrproper: man update-rc.d
[07:28] <mrproper> *Kevin glares at debian*
[07:28] <mrproper> andrewski, Yeah, what about it?
[07:28] <schweeb> paste the error plz
[07:28] <andrewski> mrproper: that will tell you how; i don't really know myself.
[07:28] <mrproper>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/hotplug already exist.
[07:28] <schweeb> ah
[07:29] <schweeb> alright, is hotplug in /etc/rcS.d ?
[07:30] <schweeb> I have it as /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug
[07:30] <mrproper> schweeb, yes it is
[07:30] <reperire> I install Ubuntu on one partition on my hard drive and it was working fine and I was able to boot into and everything. I then install Windows XP on another partition on my hard-drive and it appears that it has overwritten the master boot record since when I start my computer it launches straight into Windows without giving me the option of booting into Ubuntu. What should I do?
[07:30] <airox> Is there a way to add a submenu to gnome ?
[07:30] <airox> (the menu of gnome that is)
[07:30] <schweeb> reperire: you can use knoppix or something to reinstall grub to the MBR
[07:30] <reperire> cool, ta
[07:31] <reperire> Knoppix works on Windows, yes?
[07:31] <jnk> (even ubuntu's live cd I think)
[07:31] <schweeb> well, you can use just about any install CD even
[07:31] <jesus-> what cdburn app comes with ubuntu?
[07:31] <schweeb> but knoppix is a bit easier
[07:31] <jnk> knoppix is a linux distribution you can boot from cd, windows is not involved
[07:31] <airox> or floppy ? :)
[07:31] <reperire> oh ok
[07:31] <jnk> Jerub, cdrecord (command-line), nautilus
[07:31] <Echylo> windows isn't involved with linux at all jnk :P
[07:31] <schweeb> airox: heh, people still use those?
[07:31] <jnk> jesus-  I meant
[07:31] <Echylo> except wine
[07:31] <reperire> so there is no app i can run in windows that will reinstall grub to the MBR?
[07:31] <airox> schweeb: yep.
[07:32] <jnk> Echylo, :)
[07:32] <the_1> hello everyone!
[07:32] <airox> hi the_1
[07:32] <the_1> how are you today?
[07:32] <schweeb> reperire: you can do it with your regular ubuntu CD, but I don't have the directions necessary to tell you how (nor the time)
[07:32] <reperire> ok
[07:32] <airox> Well fine the_1, how about you ?
[07:32] <the_1> well...everything's fine, just one minor problem...
[07:32] <schweeb> reperire: basically, boot the CD, go to VT2, mount your hard drive, chroot to it, run grub-install, reboot
[07:33] <lizdeika> omg i think he's the_1
[07:33] <xadas> Does ubuntu hw manager work? I want to send some data but I'm waiting while the hardware data gets prepared about 5 minutes and nothing :-(.
[07:33] <shock> is there any app under windoze that can do anything to anything?
[07:33] <shock> O_o
[07:33] <airox> shock: I guess you should rephrase that ...
[07:33] <the_1> can't figure how to add gdesklets to autostart with ubuntu at logon..
[07:33] <sic|work> greetings.  I did this to get to runlevel 3- telinit 3 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop    now when I boot up it boots up to a command prompt instead of gdm...how do I get it set to boot to the login screen?
[07:33] <lizdeika> try preferences->sessions
[07:34] <lizdeika> the_1:
[07:34] <jnk> sic|work, resinstall gdm
[07:34] <the_1> ok...will have a look at that, tnx m8
[07:34] <jnk> sic|work, you have overwritten the gdm starting script
[07:35] <the_1> btw, what is the command to start it minimized to the tray?
[07:35] <mrproper> schweeb, So what do I do with the S40hotplug file?
[07:35] <sic|work> jnk: that won't screw up any of my settings?
[07:36] <jnk> sic|work, well I don't think so
[07:36] <jnk> you "reinstall" when you upgrade anyway, and settings should be kept
[07:36] <schweeb> mrproper: nothing, reboot...
[07:36] <schweeb> mrproper: it'll start on next reboot
[07:36] <mrproper> schweeb, Oh okay.  Thanks
[07:36] <the_1> lizdeika: thanks, I think that will do the trick!
[07:37] <sic|work> jnk: ok, I will give it a try, thanks
[07:37] <jnk> np
[07:41] <nanaem> hi... does ubuntu have any partition mangare prog? what's the name of it?
[07:41] <jnk> nanaem, fdisk, parted, and qtparted for a GUI
[07:42] <nanaem> thx alot
[07:42] <hawke_> nanaem: gparted, in addition to jnk's list
[07:42] <jnk> yeah gparted is available!
[07:45] <neighborlee> nvidia drivers working ok with xorg/hoary ??
[07:48] <jesus-> I selected a 699mb .iso in nautilus but when I want to burn it it keeps telling me to insert a blank cd while there IS a blank cd in the tray
[07:49] <Solatis> hello
[07:50] <Solatis> i would like to know... i really /really/ want to upgrade my boost libraries on my ubuntu system due to added functionality... however, i'm still using warty - is it either possible to only upgrade libboost to hoary's revision, or is it advicable to upgrade my entire system to hoary ?
[07:50] <jnk> jesus-, when you insert the CD, does nautilus cd-burner come up automatically
[07:50] <jnk> ?
[07:51] <PotajiTo> i've done that Solatis, i mena upgrading only what i need
[07:51] <PotajiTo> i upgraded xorg and gnome and i have no problems
[07:51] <Solatis> PotajiTo: ok - did you compile it from source yourself /
[07:51] <Solatis> ?
[07:51] <PotajiTo> nope
[07:51] <Solatis> because i wouldn't want to interfere (sp?) with apt for package management
[07:52] <PotajiTo> i did it from apt
[07:52] <jnk> Solatis, the right way to do that is through apt pinning ... but you know hoary is due soon
[07:52] <airox> So gnome can't handle cascaded menu's ?
[07:52] <jesus-> jnk:  yes it does
[07:52] <PotajiTo> it update what it needed
[07:52] <Solatis> jnk: i know - but it's about string processing (type classification) added to boost libraries, and I really can't wait 3 - 4 weeks for that :)
[07:52] <dampjam_> I have seen a ton of hoary updates in the past 72 hours, is this in preparation for the preview release coming up?
[07:53] <Solatis> ah you know what
[07:53] <Solatis> i'll upgrade my system to hoary
[07:53] <Solatis> it's a desktop anyway
[07:53] <jnk> airox, weird I'm sure there used to be a possibility of editing gnome menus by right-clicking in them but now I try and there is no option for that... certainly they can be edited manually in gconf or something but that's not handy
[07:53] <Solatis> any pointers to where i can find more info on how to properly upgrade ?
[07:53] <jnk> Solatis, 2 secs
[07:54] <PotajiTo> apt-dist upgrade
[07:54] <PotajiTo> or update
[07:54] <PotajiTo> cant remember
[07:54] <airox> jnk: In warty there was some editing with those menu's, it's gone in hoary :(
[07:54] <mrs> is there a channel for unix newbies please ?
[07:54] <airox> It was a gnome 'fault'
[07:54] <Solatis> PotajiTo: yeah yeah, but i asumme i also have to edit /etc/apt/source.list
[07:54] <Solatis> PotajiTo: is there anything else i need to edit ?
[07:54] <goldfish> mrs: What's up?
[07:54] <PotajiTo> yeah, change where it says warty to hoary
[07:54] <goldfish> oh right
[07:55] <PotajiTo> and do that command
[07:55] <schweeb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1100762912/view?searchterm=hoary%20upgrade
[07:55] <Solatis> PotajiTo: and that's all ?
[07:55] <Solatis> schweeb: ta
[07:55] <jnk> Solatis, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html   http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html   http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html
[07:55] <PotajiTo> tha'ts what i've done in other box
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> hey bob2 are you ar0und?
[07:56] <schweeb> jnk: that's for pinning, not for a simple dist-upgrade...
[07:56] <PotajiTo> worked nice, just that, no changing X's configs and that things
[07:56] <Solatis> jnk: thanks, i'll follow schweeb's link
[07:56] <jnk> airox, file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[07:56] <drspin> where can I find a list of all the sound modules that ship with ubuntu"
[07:56] <drspin> ?
[07:56] <schweeb> you use pinning when you're going to mix apt sources and revisions
[07:56] <jesus-> jnk:  the window comes up, but dragging an .iso inthere isn't the way to go, right? So i just right click the iso and select "burn to disc", but it keeps telling me to insert a blank cd of 700mb (and there's on in it)
[07:57] <schweeb> Solatis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[07:57] <schweeb> that too
[07:57] <virtuald> when/where is polypaudio started?
[07:57] <jnk> jesus-, are you using warty or hoary?
[07:57] <jesus-> jnk:  hoary
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu is 1337!
[07:58] <jnk> jesus-, and have you already successfully burned a disc in this confiugration?
[07:58] <jesus-> no jnk
[07:58] <jesus-> first try
[07:58] <jnk> jesus-, then we'll try with cdrecord
[07:58] <jnk> jesus-, your cdrom drive is /dev/hdc ?
[07:58] <jesus-> okelidokeli, i'll read the man
[07:58] <virtuald> jesus uses ubuntu B] ]
[07:59] <jnk> jesus-, ok so good luck and don't forget to use sudo when you invoke cdrecord
[07:59] <jnk> lol
[08:00] <dampjam_> I'm using hoary and I cannot get sound to work at all.  Hoary correctly identified the chipset but no sound comes out, any ideas?
[08:00] <andrewski> dampjam_: muted?
[08:01] <dampjam_> andrewski: I went through the entire alsa troubleshooting tutorial, volume is up and the Volume Monitor shows sound is coming out, I just don't hear anything
[08:01] <sigglet> turn the volume up?
[08:01] <andrewski> dampjam_: have you tried multiple file types?
[08:02] <dampjam_> Awesome!  I got it
[08:02] <dampjam_> It's taken 3 ays
[08:02] <dampjam_> I had to turn the external amplifier off in alsamixer
[08:02] <dampjam_> aparrently my laptop does not support it when it's on
[08:03] <Madeye> hey, how to watch all incoming connections to my box? tail -f /var/log/messages/
[08:03] <Madeye> ?
[08:04] <jesus-> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[08:04] <jesus-> hmm
[08:06] <tck> having problems playing a .avi file
[08:06] <tck> its encdoed with div-x
[08:06] <tck> :/
[08:06] <Smeven> hello
[08:06] <Ribs> you can play divx on Linux
[08:06] <larry> hello
[08:06] <Ribs> on x86 machines, anyway
[08:06] <tck> tried totem, vlc, xine, xmms
[08:06] <Smeven> what memory debugger is available on ubuntu that works on amd64?
[08:06] <[FiDO] > I have a question
[08:06] <larry> any idea where to get ip for aol?
[08:06] <Smeven> something similar to valgrind?
[08:06] <Ribs> tck: you probabily need codecs
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> w32codecs
[08:07] <[FiDO] > how do you change gnome so it doesn't open multiple windows
[08:07] <goldfish> larry: You on dsl?
[08:07] <larry> no 56k
[08:07] <tck> Ribs, i downloaded http://www.divx.com/divx/linux/ theres
[08:07] <goldfish> k
[08:07] <[FiDO] > I just want each window to open within itself
[08:07] <tck> installed codes to /usr/local/lib/ etc..
[08:07] <goldfish> [FiDO] : ubuntuguide.org
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> [FiDO] : nautilus -> edit -> preferences -> behaviour -> always open in browser window
[08:07] <goldfish> [FiDO] : It's near the end
[08:07] <goldfish> or that :)
[08:08] <[FiDO] > ok thanks
[08:08] <goldfish> larry: you just want to get your own ip?
[08:08] <neighborlee> does anyone know is hoary stable enough by now for day to day and is the cd automounting working as expected ?
[08:08] <dampjam_> I've been using hoary for about a week now, no complaints
[08:08] <Fator_Dee> neighborlee: better to wait for stable
[08:08] <larry> my 56k best data runs slow it has a serial connection, is that the reason
[08:08] <[FiDO] > wow that was simple I feel like an idiot for asking
[08:08] <[FiDO] > thanks
[08:09] <Fator_Dee> np
[08:09] <neighborlee> Fator_Dee, yeah I wondered...prob. true
[08:09] <dampjam_> My laptop has volume buttons on the side, is there anything that would make those work?
[08:09] <tck> [FiDO] , you can be an idiot for 5 mins or an idiot for life if you dont ask :)
[08:09] <Smeven> what memory debugger is available on ubuntu that works on amd64 that is similar to valgrind?
[08:09] <neighborlee> Fator_Dee, i'm having some truly odd opengl errors and I thought going to xorg might resolve them but...
[08:10] <crypticreign> anyone have a compaw a1500 printer installed with ubuntu?
[08:10] <tck> Smeven, Electric Fence
[08:10] <tck> and gcov
[08:10] <crypticreign> compaw a1500
[08:11] <crypticreign> oops
[08:11] <andrewski> neighborlee: i think upgrading is a good idea; it's mostly stable IME
[08:11] <jnk> dampjam_, launch "xev" and watch if something occurs when you press them
[08:12] <neighborlee> andrewski, worth a shot
[08:12] <dampjam_> nothing
[08:12] <tck> crypticreign, try apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[08:12] <tck> it has lots of 3rd drivers etc..
[08:13] <crypticreign> tck: sweet, thanks
[08:13] <jnk> dampjam_, what's your laptop?
[08:15] <dampjam_> it's a vaio tr5ap
[08:16] <drspin> ehere can I find the drivers for my ess sound card?
[08:16] <drspin> where?
[08:17] <JDigital> help me guys my sound recorder won't record sound
[08:17] <drspin> JDigital: unmute the microphone and turn on the boost
[08:17] <JDigital> it will, however, willingly eat 100% CPU then crash
[08:18] <JDigital> now I can hear sound
[08:18] <jnk> dampjam_, it's not the "jog dial" that you're talking about?
[08:18] <dampjam_> no, there are + and - buttons right next to the lcd screen
[08:19] <jnk> drspin, what's your sound card, and why don't you want alsa?
[08:19] <JDigital> drspin: Okay, now I can hear it, but it won't replay the sound in Sound Recorder.
[08:19] <drspin> jnk: ESS 1868 is my sound card... and after the upgrade to Hoary -- sound won't work
[08:19] <JDigital> when I try it does nothing, then I try again, and it crashes
[08:20] <drspin> JDigital: hoary or warty?
[08:20] <JDigital> warty
[08:20] <drspin> JDigital: what soundcard?
[08:20] <KingArthur> Hey everyone, I've got a Dell Inspiron 8600 with WiFi.  I have tried dabbling in Linux before about 5 yrs ago, and didn't like the results.  I hear this is a fairly striaght foreward install, but I want to know, does it support WiFi chipsets, ATI graphics, and how well does it work with NTFS?
[08:21] <JDigital> "Ensonic AudioPCI" it seems
[08:21] <drspin> KingArthur: NTFS is READ ONLY!
[08:21] <dampjam_> drspin: it isn't if you run ntfsfix after each use ;)
[08:21] <JDigital> KingArthur: It's far better than it was. NTFS is read only. Modern graphics cards/chipsets are well supported. I think it supports wifi but I've never used it
[08:21] <KingArthur> that's what I thoguht.  I was planning on converting one of my partitions to Fat32
[08:21] <drspin> KingArthur: There is a driver that supports writing if you don't change the filesize...
[08:21] <jnk> dampjam_, you can try the rsjog package anyway maybe it handles that too
[08:22] <drspin> dampjam_: after each file you edit you have to run that ?
[08:22] <vijub> you can use captive ntfs for wire support
[08:22] <andrewski> KingArthur: it does support wifi, as much as any linux distro.  is your card supported in linux?
[08:22] <dampjam_> drspin: after you umount ntfs, you can run ntfsfix
[08:22] <drspin> hmmm --
[08:22] <drspin> interesting!!
[08:22] <dampjam_> drspin: but you have to run it before booting windows or as the documentation puts in "you'll be sorry"
[08:22] <jnk> KingArthur, I've a latitude D600 and wifi works out of the box
[08:22] <drspin> what is the driver for my ESS1868 soundcard?
[08:22] <KingArthur> not sure if my card is supported.  I'll find out which one it is.  It's one of the Centrino chipsets.
[08:22] <jnk> chip ipw2200 (intel). Friends of mine have ipw2100 and it works too
[08:23] <andrewski> KingArthur: there's a good website whose link i forget that shows all supported cards....
[08:23] <jnk> KingArthur, if it's centrino it's probably one of those
[08:23] <drspin> Centrino works with NDISwrapper I believe
[08:23] <KingArthur> Intel(R) PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3A Mini PCI Adapter is what I have
[08:23] <jnk> good so ipw2100 for you
[08:24] <jnk> should work out of the box
[08:24] <JDigital> Hey guys, what can I use with Linux to record myself with such as a microphone
[08:24] <jnk> JDigital, gnome-sound-recorder
[08:25] <JDigital> that program is horribly unstable and stuffs
[08:25] <Fator_Dee> and audacity, but it does a lot more
[08:25] <KingArthur> good.  I'll be dual booting from a XP partition, so I'll be able to go back if it doesn't work, but I wanted to know befoer hand.  if it didn't support it, I'd still not use Linux.  I've seen screen shots for others with variations, and love the way they look.  I only use my computer for webbased applications and chatting.  Just a little gaming, so I can go back to the other boot for that.
[08:26] <JDigital> oh now it works
[08:26] <KingArthur> so, why is this variation of Linux so small in filesize compared to Mandrake?
[08:27] <KingArthur> several other linux flavors are three iso's, so I was curious what this one ommitted
[08:27] <Cube-ness> hmm.. whas the deal with this.. did an update of hoary and now my nvidia card gets overridden by vesafb.. the nvidia module still loads, and the xorg.conf is still set to nvidia too..
[08:28] <Fator_Dee> KingArthur: mandrake offers a lot more applications on the cd's
[08:29] <andrewski> KingArthur: you have to add online repositories to get that amount of apps on ubuntu.
[08:29] <Fator_Dee> like ubuntu only has gnome, mandrake cd's have kde and gnome
[08:29] <andrewski> KingArthur: e.g. kde is not on the cds, while mandrake has both ^^
[08:29] <andrewski> like Fator_Dee said first. :P
[08:29] <Fator_Dee> multiply that with x number of applications, and it will take up space
[08:30] <KingArthur> now, what exactly is gnome and Kde?
[08:30] <Fator_Dee> window managers
[08:30] <KingArthur> user interfaces?
[08:30] <KingArthur> ok
[08:30] <andrewski> KingArthur: desktop environments, technically.
[08:30] <Graeme_Lemming> hi people, can anyone inform me of a good ide for kava development
[08:30] <Graeme_Lemming> java*
[08:30] <andrewski> Graeme_Lemming: i've heard azureus is good for development, but i don't know about kava in specific.
[08:30] <andrewski> *java :)
[08:31] <Graeme_Lemming> :)
[08:31] <Cube-ness> Graeme_Lemming, um.. eclipse?
[08:31] <goldfish> nano
[08:31] <Graeme_Lemming> you got a url
[08:31] <goldfish> :)
[08:31] <andrewski> Graeme_Lemming: www.google.com :)
[08:32] <Graeme_Lemming> good old google
[08:32] <andrewski> Graeme_Lemming: indeed.
[08:32] <KingArthur> well, everyone.  I guess I'll be on later after getting this thing downloaded, and hope it workes correctly....I hope I will be able to boot from my external USB CD/RW drive since my internal one crapped out on me
[08:32] <kayali> eclipse.org -- hard huh?
[08:33] <Graeme_Lemming> lol.. i already googled it
[08:33] <GFXstyLER> hi
[08:33] <goldfish> hai
[08:33] <GFXstyLER> i solved the problem that hoary is so slow on my pc :)
[08:34] <KingArthur> oh, speaking of which, what kind of support does linux have for external USB drives...both flash and cd/rw
[08:34] <andrewski> KingArthur: i'm pretty sure, but maybe someone else knows for sure.
[08:35] <goldfish> well my usb hard-drive worked fine
[08:35] <Cube-ness> KingArthur, very good
[08:35] <goldfish> plug and play for that
[08:35] <GFXstyLER> anyone here got the logitech eyetoy usb cam to work with ubuntu?
[08:35] <andrewski> KingArthur: as for booting from it, i think that's up to your BIOS
[08:35] <KingArthur> yeah
[08:35] <KingArthur> I figured as much with that.
[08:35] <andrewski> KingArthur: but let's hope. ;)
[08:35] <KingArthur> well, I'm out.  be on later when it's time to try to install things.  lol.
[08:35] <andrewski> good luck!
[08:35] <KingArthur> thanks everyone
[08:36] <Albacker> anyone here uses beatrix ?
[08:36] <GFXstyLER> whats beatrix?
[08:37] <Albacker> its, a distro.
[08:38] <StoneX> hi, interessiere mich gerade dafr ubuntu und wollte deshalb noch einige fragen, htte jemand von euch bissl zeit dafr brich?
[08:38] <StoneX> *fragen fragen
[08:38] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu-de?
[08:38] <GFXstyLER> stoneX was frn zeichensatz hast du o.O
[08:39] <StoneX> um ehrlich zu sein hab ich keine ahnung, wo knnte ich nachschauen?
[08:39] <GFXstyLER> das weiss ich auch nich *lol*
[08:39] <airox> ;D
[08:40] <StoneX> haettet ihr bissl zeit fuer mich brig?
[08:40] <GFXstyLER> StoneX: hab wohl zeit aber weiss nich ob ich dir helfen kann ... bin selber noch nich so lang linuxuser
[08:40] <andrewski> StoneX: hast du zeit fuer mein schlechte deutsch? :)
[08:41] <StoneX> du benutz aber schon ubuntu?
[08:41] <GFXstyLER> ich? jo
[08:41] <StoneX> sicher, darf ich aber fragen was deine muttersprache ist
[08:41] <andrewski> StoneX: ich benutze ubuntu und wahrscheinlich dir helfen kann, aber meine muttersprache ist englisch.
[08:42] <StoneX> die erste frage war eigentlich auf GFXstyLER bezogen
[08:43] <jeff_> can anyone recommend a good console based usenet reader
[08:43] <andrewski> StoneX: frag mich wenn du mein hilfe willst. :)
[08:43] <lupe> jeff_ slrn
[08:43] <andrewski> jeff_: maybe one of the CLI mailreaders?  mutt, pine, etc?
[08:43] <GFXstyLER> StoneX: meine muttersprache? niederlndisch aber seit 10 jahren auch deutsch
[08:44] <vince^> the "scripts" menu in nautilus only shows python-scripts from ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts, but no bash scripts.. anyone seen this problem before?
[08:44] <jeff_> thanks guys
[08:45] <gfxstyler> jeff_: sorry but i dont know
[08:45] <Cube-ness> i dont get it.. for a while, my laptop (ATI gfx) was having vesafb override the ati settings, now it doesnt do it anymore and my desktop (nvidia) does..wtf?
[08:46] <StoneX> wie kann man ubuntu eigentlich administrieren, gibt es ein kontrollzentrumartiges hilfsmittel oder muss man alles von hand konfigurieren
[08:47] <GarySaved> I was looking thru the packages in base, and I see there is a seperate entry for linux-image-k7 and linux-image-2.6.10-4-k7.  Is the first one generic, and installs the second, as the most up-to-date?    After I install it, would I remove both of the former?
[08:51] <gfxstyler> peza: you have to install the kernel sources, which then can be found at /usr/src
[08:51] <peza> ok but where is the path of kernel sources ...
[08:51] <gfxstyler> andrewski: your german isnt so bad at all :)
[08:51] <marten_> hello, if i try to start an application that uses /dev/dsp it says" /dev/dsp: No such device  Could not toggle. ".
[08:51] <andrewski> StoneX: ja, seit ich ubuntu benutzt habe.
[08:52] <marten_> does anyone how to fix this?
[08:52] <peza> tanks ....
[08:52] <andrewski> gfxstyler: "rusty", wie man das auf deutsch sagt.
[08:52] <jordanau> do i need  virus scan program with ubuntu? If so what do you recommend?
[08:52] <StoneX> ist es gut? hat es schon viele probleme gemacht?
[08:52] <andrewski> StoneX: keine grosse probleme, keine "dependency" probleme :)
[08:52] <marten_> in xmms i use the alsa plugin, and thats going well
[08:52] <gfxstyler> jordanau: no, viruses and linux are not common and you dont need a virus scanner
[08:52] <andrewski> StoneX: ich habe mandrake vor benutzt und darin viele probleme hatte.
[08:53] <jordanau> gfxstyler, thanks
[08:53] <StoneX> war es schwer von mandrake auf ubuntu umzusteigen?
[08:53] <bryan> sprechen sie English!
[08:53] <gfxstyler> StoneX: synaptic lst abhngigkeiten von selbst und ist sehr einfach zu bedienen
[08:54] <gfxstyler> StoneX: mandrake benutzt standartmig KDE, deswegen ist es "anders" als ubuntu, habe es vorher auch benutzt, aber schwer war es nicht, eher leichter
[08:54] <andrewski> StoneX: es gab uengefaehr 6 monaten waehrend ich gentoo benutzte
[08:54] <StoneX> das ist gut zu hren, allerdings bezog sich meine frage eher auf die konfiguration als auf die packetverwaltung
[08:54] <StoneX> andrewski: war also schwer von mandrake auf ubuntu umzusteigen?
[08:54] <andrewski> StoneX: konfiguration ist meistigs leicht in ubuntu.
[08:55] <StoneX> kann man die normalen debian packete, also deb, benutzen?
[08:55] <snowblink> GarySaved: You can, but I'd leave them unless you really need the space
[08:55] <gfxstyler> StoneX: ja kann man
[08:55] <andrewski> StoneX: nein, ich denke nicht.  ein paar dinge sind nicht automatisch, die in mandrake sind, aber du kannst viel hilfe bekommen.
[08:55] <gfxstyler> StoneX: aber es wird offiziell nicht empfohlen
[08:56] <gfxstyler> StoneX: ich benutze sie aber auch ohne probleme
[08:56] <andrewski> StoneX: ich benutze etwa debian packete mit keinen problemen.
[08:56] <StoneX> was wird offiziel empfohlen?
[08:56] <gfxstyler> StoneX: das man die ubuntu pakete benutzt (Synaptic, apt)
[08:56] <andrewski> StoneX: nur packete von ubuntu gegeben
[08:57] <StoneX> haben die packete besondere namen?
[08:57] <andrewski> gfxstyler: aber man kann unoffiziell packete addieren
[08:57] <gfxstyler> andrewski: yes, you can add universe and multiverse
[08:58] <feclare> can someone help me with a tv card?
[08:58] <StoneX> kennt jemand linux+?
[08:58] <feclare> or at least, to know if its tuner is sopported?
[08:58] <andrewski> StoneX: in synaptic gibt es ein icon.  und sie kommen nur wenn du ein website addieren, also du wirst wissen, wenn du nonoffiziell packete addieren.
[08:58] <bryan> feclare, is it ATI?
[08:58] <feclare> no
[08:58] <andrewski> StoneX: linux+?  nicht ich
[08:59] <feclare> it's an avermedia cardbus
[08:59] <StoneX> linux+dvd? eine linuxzeitung
[08:59] <feclare> pcmcia
[08:59] <bryan> laptop?
[08:59] <feclare> it works fine for AV input
[08:59] <gfxstyler> StoneX: hab auf ubuntuusers.de gelesen das darin jetzt eine ubuntu cd sein soll oder so
[09:00] <feclare> but I cant use the tuner for tv
[09:00] <mikep> is this the english forum?
[09:00] <StoneX> das habe ich auch gelesen nur frage ich mich ob es bei diesem preis sinnvoll ist das zu kaufen
[09:00] <snowblink> mikep: yes
[09:01] <andrewski> es ist schoen, mein deutsch zu ueben, aber wie schreibt das auf der maschine?
[09:01] <gfxstyler> StoneX: die cds kann man sich umsonst zuschicken lassen oder man ld sich kostenlos das .iso file runter und brennt es auf cd, dann hat man es auch
[09:01] <mikep> snowblink: oh, i thought i was in the german forum.
[09:01] <snowblink> andrewski, Stonex, gfxstyler: #ubuntu-de
[09:01] <gfxstyler> snowblink: i just wanted to help him, sorry
[09:02] <StoneX> sorry my fault, i will go over there
[09:02] <queuetue> Is there a warty install torrent out there?
[09:02] <andrewski> snowblink: sorry, didn't even know about #ubuntu-de ;)
[09:02] <StoneX> i didn t as well, sorry
[09:02] <Fator_Dee> gah, I said that after the first line of german gibberish :-p
[09:03] <hile> no problem with german, just ... well, then I should switch to finnish as well
[09:03] <stephen_> hi everybody
[09:04] <Fator_Dee> hile: jeps, vastapainoksi suomea :-)
[09:04] <hile> and if everyone speaks their native language the channel is just a mess
[09:04] <hile> joo otetaas vhn vaihteeksi ;)
[09:04] <hile> so, not ;)
[09:04] <Fator_Dee> yep, maybe not :-)
[09:05] <selinium_> HI all, Any one runnnig apache here? I have used synaptic to get curl but it is not available. I have just changed from a windows environment. Any help here or do i need to be in apache?
[09:05] <bryan> isn't curl a PHP/pear extension
[09:06] <virtuald> http://curl.haxx.se/
[09:06] <selinium_> bryan: yep but you need to it on the server.. Sorry libcurl, same same different.
[09:06] <hile> bryan: no dependency to php really, apt-cache search curl
[09:07] <hile> there are perl and python bindings as well, and the library itself is C
[09:07] <scotth> I'm having a problem with my ubuntu hoary ppc install where it panics when it tries to mount /dev/hda4 on / it complains that /dev/hda4 doesn't exist, yet it does and I can mount it from the ubuntu live cd... anyone have any thoughts on why that would be
[09:07] <selinium_> What i mean is just because i used synaptic to get curl, i dont konw what it has done with it. Hasit installed it? or has it unpacked it somewhere? Like I said I am v new at Ubuntu and linux in general
[09:08] <Fator_Dee> selinium_: synaptic installs automagically
[09:08] <bryan> go back into synaptic
[09:08] <hile> it's just the C-library, i think.. what did you really get
[09:08] <bryan> select the package
[09:08] <bryan> look in the package properties
[09:08] <tck> right
[09:08] <bryan> it'll tell you where it installed everything
[09:08] <tck> divx .avi on ubuntu
[09:08] <hile> oops, curl is the cli client
[09:09] <tck> just cant get it playing
[09:09] <hile> if you want the php-stuff, it's probably php4-curl and then configure apache normally
[09:09] <snowblink> scotth: what is the exact error?
[09:10] <scotth> snowblink, I'm in the live cd right now, let me reboot right fast and Ill give you the exact error
[09:10] <selinium_> Yes i have got both. but then i need to configure apache? That is all i really needed to know. I didn't want to mess up anything if it had already configured itself.
[09:11] <GarySaved> There is a 2.6.11 version kernel in universe.  Are they usually safe to use?
[09:11] <hile> it most likely already is configured, never use php4-curl so can't know
[09:11] <selinium_> cheer hile the the pointers
[09:12] <virtuald> you should look through the apache config files in /etc/apache
[09:12] <virtuald> apache2*
[09:12] <quar|work> why is ssh sooo slow?
[09:13] <quar|work> how can i tell ehich end all my lag is on?
[09:13] <Solatis> because your connection i sooo slow
[09:13] <Fator_Dee> quar|work: someone is hogging up your line?
[09:13] <quar|work> which*
[09:13] <hile> selinium_: see docs in /usr/share/doc/php4-curl/ and /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4 (if you use apache2)
[09:13] <selinium_> hile: you star!
[09:13] <quar|work> how can i tell if its my works con or my homes con?
[09:14] <virtuald> try sshing to another box
[09:14] <Solatis> quar|work: try to upload something big to a connection you know is fast
[09:14] <hile> selinium_: just tested installing php4-curl, seems it configures itself to /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini automatically
[09:14] <morphhhh> hello! i.m having a problem, i cant install grub, im having problems with it ...
[09:14] <hile> and now I'll remove it, I have no use for php4-curl ;)
[09:14] <selinium_> Aargh: that was what i was worried about!
[09:14] <morphhhh> grub-install doenst work ...
[09:15] <hile> selinium_: it just includes the php4-curl automatically to config, which makes sense: if you install it, you most likely want to use it as well...
[09:16] <orospakr> is there a meta-package that defines which packages are installed during a default ubuntu install?
[09:16] <hile> only line I saw ther was extension=curl.so
[09:16] <whiprush> jdub / Mako: Can you guys point me in the general direction of some download stats or something similar? I'm working on a lug presentation and would like a best guess on the amount of downloads.
[09:16] <selinium_> That was what i figured. I dont understand why it hasn't configured. I assume you just did a phpinfo on it?
[09:16] <Solatis> hmmm
[09:16] <queuetue> Is there any way to remotely ssh-upgrade a FC3 box to ubuntu?
[09:16] <Solatis> when upgrading to hoary
[09:17] <hile> nope I didn't, but did you run apache2ctl restart
[09:17] <Solatis> i should pay attention to updating the config files neh ?
[09:17] <Solatis> or will it do a lot of stuff automatically ?
[09:17] <selinium_> hile; That was what i figured. I dont understand why it hasn't configured. I assume you just did a phpinfo on it?
[09:17] <hile> no, and as I said, did you refresh apache?
[09:18] <tritium> it's funny how many packages evolution upgrades orphan
[09:18] <vince_> anyone hab problems with amule on hoary?
[09:18] <cavediver> Is Gnome 2.10 released ?
[09:18] <bryan> tomorrow, no?
[09:18] <Solatis> cavediver: well, i know the release parties are tomorrow
[09:19] <cavediver> Alright. My gnome seems to be 2.10 now :)
[09:19] <morphhhh> this is the error i get while running grub-install
[09:19] <morphhhh> /sbin/grub-install: line 479: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:19] <morphhhh> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[09:19] <Solatis> cavediver: well perhaps you're using a release candidate ?
[09:19] <marten_> hello, if i try to start an application that uses /dev/dsp it says" /dev/dsp: No such device  Could not toggle. ".
[09:19] <marten_> does anyone how to fix this?
[09:19] <marten_> in xmms i use the alsa plugin, and thats going well
[09:19] <airox> Anybody knows how to get the hibernate function off a toshiba laptop working with the help of the toshiba utilities ???
[09:20] <cavediver> Solatis: I don't know. It doesn't tell.
[09:20] <Solatis> cavediver: try #gnome to see where you can verify that
[09:20] <Solatis> i'm sure they know
[09:20] <vince_> wow, "upgrade-system" removes tons of orphans..
[09:20] <cavediver> I'm there right now. They seem to be asleep :)
[09:20] <andrewski> vince_: where'd you get that program?
[09:21] <andrewski> is it installed by default?
[09:21] <airox> Is there a command to get the toshiba laptop to hibernate ??
[09:22] <morphhhh> anyone can help me with grub_
[09:22] <selinium_> hile: sorry, yes I refreshed apache
[09:22] <vince_> not sure if it's default.. i know it from other debian installations. handy tool
[09:22] <airox> Is there a way to enable APM on a laptop ?
[09:22] <airox> (So nu acpi)
[09:23] <hile> selinium_: well, my phpinfo has 'CURL Information 	libcurl/7.12.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7e zlib/1.2.2 libidn/0.5.2
[09:23] <hile> CURL Information 	libcurl/7.12.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7e zlib/1.2.2 libidn/0.5.2
[09:23] <hile> oops
[09:23] <tritium> airox, yes, there is
[09:23] <tritium> morphhhh, are you using sudo when you try that?
[09:24] <morphhhh> yes
[09:25] <morphhhh> im using a live a cd
[09:25] <morphhhh> and as root
[09:25] <airox> Or can I suspend my laptop with acpi ??
[09:25] <spiral> hi
[09:25] <tritium> airox, you can in Hoary
[09:25] <tritium> morphhhh, I've not tried it from a LiveCD
[09:25] <airox> how ?
[09:25] <tritium> acpi-support has to be installed, for one thing
[09:26] <airox> there is acpi support in the kernel
[09:26] <tritium> yes
[09:26] <tritium> acpi-support is a package
[09:26] <airox> ah
[09:26] <airox> I have it :)
[09:26] <scotth> snowblink, sorry for taking so long to get back to you, but it was a problem with me removing a custom kernel and it not updating the symlinks... so all is good now
[09:27] <Solatis> question
[09:27] <tritium> airox, great!
[09:27] <airox> :)
[09:27] <Solatis> on some 'upgrade to hoary' howto, it tells me to deinstall all xfree86 packages... this is 'xfree86-common' and 'xfree86-driver-synaptics', right ?
[09:27] <airox> I guess I found some wiki about acpi and suspend-to-ram :)
[09:28] <snowblink> scotth: ah so you can mount okay now?
[09:29] <farruinn> Solatis: really that shouldn't be necessary, but I think some people have had to do that
[09:29] <tck> has anyone gotten mplayer working on warty (x86)
[09:29] <andrewski> airox: where's the link to that?
[09:29] <Solatis> farruinn: hmmm okay, I *do* know that under Gentoo, xorg was unstable with me... so i don't /have/ to upgrade to xorg ?
[09:29] <jon1012> hi :)
[09:30] <jon1012> (someone knows how to fix compilation errors like "[...]  undefined reference to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?")
[09:30] <scotth> snowblink, yeah, it couldn't find the initrd and so it didn't have the proper fs drivers
[09:30] <farruinn> Solatis: that might be possible, but I haven't upgraded, so I don't know exactly what you'd have to do.
[09:31] <snowblink> scotth: yup. Cool.
[09:31] <farruinn> Solatis: I would try using Ubuntu's xorg first though unless you know for sure that there is something about xorg in general that is keeping you from using it
[09:33] <farruinn> jon1012: sounds like you need libglib2.3-dev or something, but in warty there is only 2.0
[09:33] <Solatis> farruinn: well, crashing every 20 minutes kinda keeps me from using it
[09:33] <farruinn> Solatis: what I'm saying though is that Gentoo's xorg and Ubuntu's xorg may be different
[09:33] <Solatis> and yes, i've sent numerous bug report sand stacktraces to xorg, they're aware of the problem and verified it
[09:33] <Solatis> no it's not the distribution
[09:33] <farruinn> ok, that's all I was wondering about =)
[09:33] <Solatis> :)
[09:34] <Solatis> lol wow
[09:34] <Solatis> just rebooted my workstation
[09:34] <[eDu] > hello
[09:34] <farruinn> in that case, I would start by removing ubuntu-desktop as that will depend on xorg stuff I believe
[09:34] <Solatis> hmm
[09:34] <Solatis> you know
[09:34] <Solatis> maybe it even has upgraded to xorg
[09:34] <Solatis> since it has lost my xfree config file, it seems
[09:35] <Solatis> at least it isn't using it
[09:35] <farruinn> you'll find out in 20 minutes, won't you ;)
[09:35] <sic|work> anyone know of a gui-beautiful MP3/OGG player?
[09:35] <sic|work> perhaps gui-tastic
[09:35] <farruinn> beep-media-player
[09:35] <sic|work> hehe
[09:36] <bryan> what's wrong with xmms?
[09:36] <gfxstyler> sicwork: xmms
[09:36] <sic|work> perhaps I am missing something...running xmms yields nothing
[09:37] <OrangeSlice> xmms doesn't do multibyte charsets, that's what :p
[09:37] <selinium_> hile: Got it! for some reason. The first restart didn't get it. Thanks for your help!
[09:37] <gfxstyler> if you take the right skins its looking fantastic too
[09:37] <Solatis> farruinn: :D
[09:37] <sic|work> I installed xmms through synaptic
[09:37] <Broncho> hi Im trying to login to cups but cant because there is no root. Is there a quick way around this?
[09:37] <[eDu] > sic|work: rhythymbox?
[09:37] <hile> selinium_: good ;)
[09:37] <[eDu] > sic|work: rhythmbox, i mean
[09:37] <sic|work> along with mp3 plugin
[09:37] <sic|work> and it doesn't work
[09:38] <paracelso> connect ubuntu to wxp printer
[09:38] <sic|work> try to open an MP3 with it and it just sits there...nothing happens...nothing opens...nothing at all
[09:38] <gfxstyler> sicwork: do you mean rythmbox?
[09:38] <noire> Playing: The Cure - One Hundred Years [Rock/1982]  Pornography | http://mp3.rin.ru  [0:42/6:39 (11%)]  [128Kbps]
[09:38] <sic|work> gfx: No, XMMS
[09:38] <hile> sic|work: wrong output plugin in xmms?
[09:39] <[eDu] > sic|work: are you using the correct output?
[09:39] <noire> hee hee... sorry all
[09:39] <gfxstyler> sicwork: maybe change output plugin in the xmms settings?
[09:39] <hile> it's waiting for the audio device to be free from your desktop esound or something
[09:39] <sic|work> hile: I can't even get to the point...xmms never loads
[09:39] <bryan> try the esound output
[09:39] <sic|work> hile: I grepped for xmms and found nothing
[09:39] <farruinn> sic|work: run xmms from the terminal
[09:39] <bryan> umm
[09:39] <airox> andrewski: well.. it's not working over here :(
[09:39] <bryan> apt-get install xmms
[09:40] <andrewski> airox: hmm, well, shoot. :)
[09:40] <airox> andrewski: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[09:40] <sic|work> ahhh...libmik
[09:40] <airox> shot!
[09:40] <andrewski> airox: you're on hoary now, right?
[09:41] <airox> andrewski: yep
[09:41] <bryan> is there a sample sources file to get the newest, latest stuff for hoary?
[09:41] <AndyR> lo all
[09:42] <airox> I guess I need to use apm instead of acpi ?
[09:42] <airox> Cause if that's true I can add some information to the wiki about it.
[09:42] <sic|work> it works now...thanks guys
[09:42] <mako> whiprush: i don't have the doanlod stats.. i can tell you about pressed cds
[09:43] <gfxstyler> bryan: open the /etc/apt/sources.list and change "warty" into "hoary"
[09:43] <gfxstyler> then you get the latest hoary stuff
[09:44] <bryan> i installed from a horay cd
[09:44] <andrewski> airox: did you see the first line at the top about hoary?
[09:44] <gfxstyler> bryan: then your sources.list should be fine and you should get the latest hoary stuff
[09:44] <bryan> hrmm
[09:44] <farruinn> bryan: make sure that the online repositories are uncommented...
[09:44] <bryan> no direct client :/
[09:44] <bryan> ahh
[09:44] <bryan> ty gfxstyler , farruinn
[09:44] <Solatis> ok
[09:44] <Solatis> question
[09:44] <gfxstyler> bryan: if you are looking for more packages, try adding the universe and multiverse repository
[09:45] <airox> well ... no :(
[09:45] <airox> :/
[09:45] <Solatis> if /etc/X11/X points to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg, I'm running xorg, neh ?
[09:45] <joh> hmm, how do I force a logged-in user to log out? the user is not running any applications, but is still listed in `who'.
[09:45] <airox> andrewski: Should I restart acpi or reboot ?
[09:45] <gfxstyler> bryan: if you give me your email adress i'll send you my sources.list
[09:45] <airox> acpi-support that is ..
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: follow that link and read the hoary howto, that's what you should do. :)
[09:46] <airox> ;)
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: "NOTE: Suspend support is included in the Hoary release. Hoary users should see HoaryPM"
[09:46] <whiprush> mako: that'd be a good guess
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: good luck, i have to go now.
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: but thanks for the link.
[09:47] <Solatis> wtf... i've installed hoary, and now i'm able to fsck'ing *hybernate* my computer ? what is this evil world, Windows XP ? :)
[09:47] <andrewski> Solatis: you don't have to, it's disabled by default?
[09:47] <andrewski> Solatis: but, frankly, i think it's better to have choices than not, eh?
[09:47] <Solatis> haha
[09:47] <Solatis> yes i'm kidding
[09:47] <Solatis> i'm just amazed
[09:47] <andrewski> i know. :P
[09:48] <airox> andrewski: Yeah i overread that part. No problem for the link, thanks for your info!
[09:48] <andrewski> airox: sure!  l8r
[09:48] <airox> ciao!
[09:48] <morphhhh> i cant install grub on my machine, i had it running but it messed up now i get an error < /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly >..
[09:48] <cg> Hi,  help is needed with hoary and audigy not giving sound
[09:48] <kerskine> I've got a coffee-house/wifi/dhcp issue - can anyone help?
[09:48] <mako> whiprush: we've printed up somewhere in teh order of a million. a bit less i think
[09:49] <kerskine> running warty and latest dhcp-client
[09:50] <[FiDO] > cg: I had the same problem yesterday
[09:50] <[FiDO] > just open your gnome-alsamixer
[09:51] <cg> FIDO:  is it fixed now?
[09:51] <[FiDO] > and uncheck the box Audigy analog/digital input jack
[09:51] <[FiDO] > output jack rather
[09:51] <yaaar> word
[09:51] <[FiDO] > for some reason mine was trying to use digital output
[09:52] <[FiDO] > do you have a audigy 2
[09:52] <cg> FIDO: yes
[09:52] <[FiDO] > same as me that's probably the problem
[09:52] <cg> can you explain better please?
[09:52] <yaaar> anybody know why my synaptic won't open? I run it, it asks for the root password, and when I put it in it waits a bit and comes back with this error:    "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[09:53] <Nakah> hi, I have a problem with wpa_supplicant and open wep keys
[09:53] <[FiDO] > do you have the gnome-alsamixer installed
[09:53] <[FiDO] > you should have it I think
[09:53] <cg> FIDO: going to check , dont know
[09:53] <[FiDO] > just go to run application and type gnome-alsamixer
[09:54] <[FiDO] > if it works ya have it
[09:54] <PotajiTo> how do i unistall something installed from source?
[09:54] <snowblink> PotajiTo: travel back in time, and use checkinstall
[09:54] <snowblink> yaaar: have you tried your password?
[09:55] <HiddenWolf> are there any hdd recovery tools for xfs drives?
[09:55] <cg> FIDO: i think it is not installed because it gives an error
[09:55] <yaaar> snowblink: oh.....right. i forget about all this sudo crap ubuntu does. btw....that's really jank.
[09:55] <yaaar> but thanks...i'll bet that does it
[09:55] <[FiDO] > what error
[09:56] <Nakah> can someone help me please ?
[09:56] <cg> this :Cannot display location 'file://gnome-alsamixer
[09:56] <[FiDO] > yep that's what it means just install it from synaptic
[09:56] <cg> ok
[09:56] <[FiDO] > assuming you've set up all the repositories
[09:57] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, i have a question... is ubuntu xorg or xfree86?
[09:57] <[FiDO] > xorg
[09:57] <snowblink> projectmayhem: xorg in hoary, xfree in warty
[09:57] <projectmayhem> snowblink what version of xfree?
[09:57] <gfxstyler> 4.3 i guess
[09:58] <shock> projectmayhem - seen tyler somewhere? ;)
[09:58] <[FiDO] > I'm losing my mind I can't get the damn sound working for my tv capture card
[09:58] <projectmayhem> shock yep :-D great movie
[09:58] <shock> indeed
[09:59] <snowblink> projectmayhem: According to apt 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25
[09:59] <projectmayhem> is there anything to autoinstall rpms in ubuntu like in fedora?
[09:59] <projectmayhem> thx snowblink
[09:59] <cg> FIDO:  ok, now it is installed, what should i do now?
[09:59] <[FiDO] > try running it
[09:59] <bryan> you can alien file.rpm
[09:59] <bryan> then dpkg -i file.deb
[09:59] <[FiDO] > then uncheck the analog/digital output box if its checked
[09:59] <[FiDO] > it took me forever to figure out that that was all that was wrong
[10:00] <snowblink> projectmayhem: apt-get upgrade
[10:00] <cg> just "External Amplifier" is checked
[10:00] <[FiDO] > jas
[10:01] <projectmayhem> ok... this is gonna sound sad... i just swtiched from fedora... whats the syntax to enable superuser??
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> use sudo
[10:01] <[FiDO] > sorry other way around make sure it is checked
[10:01] <farruinn> projectmayhem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:01] <[FiDO] > lol
[10:01] <bryan> sudo -s -H if you don't feel like doing it every 5 seconds
[10:02] <projectmayhem> thx
[10:02] <projectmayhem> that's actually a really nice feature...
[10:02] <R0bNyc> anyone here using xfce4.2 ?
[10:02] <R0bNyc> it has so much prbos
[10:02] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: i am using it
[10:02] <[FiDO] > cg: did that fix it
[10:03] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, I'm getting these probs
[10:03] <cg> FIDO: thanks man know i have sound
[10:03] <R0bNyc> and these updates that come up in gnome and they never go away so I had to take off xfce and remove the sources so it would stop
[10:03] <[FiDO] > np
[10:03] <cg> GREAT
[10:03] <tck> anyone get an div-x .avi playing with warty (x86) ?
[10:04] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: what updates are that? i have a systemload-plugin update that will never go away if i dont disable the xfce sources, but i dont think its a big prob :)
[10:04] <geppy> When will the Hoary task bar be fixed?
[10:04] <Solatis> for xorg... should i use module 'nv' instead of 'nvidia' ? if i use 'nvidia', it seems to crash upon loading (dark screen, nothing appearing, no crash, no logs, no nvidia logo)
[10:04] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, yea that
[10:04] <poxymox> tck: With mplayer no Prob
[10:04] <tck> poxymox, it never installs
[10:04] <R0bNyc> XFce4.2 use to be much better at first
[10:04] <tck> mplayer-586 gives deps problems :/
[10:04] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: yes i had that too, i simply disabled the xfce sources
[10:05] <poxymox> You found it in the Universe and multiverse repository
[10:05] <tck> poxymox, aye
[10:05] <tck> should i compile from source ?
[10:05] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, ah
[10:05] <R0bNyc> alrighty
[10:05] <Fator_Dee> it's hard to uninstall if you compile it from source
[10:05] <poxymox> I try it but give up (to many dependensies i must install)
[10:05] <Fator_Dee> btw, is there a howto for that?
[10:06] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: what i dont get is why it stays there forever, i already have the systemload plugin installed
[10:06] <[FiDO] > has anyone managed to get sound working for their tv card
[10:06] <poxymox> But than i get an nicesource.list with multi- and universe an it rocks already
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> or can I just delete everything that I find with "locate mplayer" :-p
[10:06] <[FiDO] > I've tried everything with no luck
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> [FiDO] : I have, didn't have to do nothing though :-p
[10:07] <projectmayhem> the debian package wouldn't install.. broken pipe or something...
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> just install and fire up tvtime
[10:07] <[FiDO] > that's what I'm using
[10:07] <InitMass> how do i unrar a .rar file?
[10:07] <[FiDO] > I'm using a wintv card
[10:07] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, same
[10:07] <geppy> InitMass:  unrar foo.rar
[10:07] <poxymox> make uninstall?
[10:07] <geppy> InitMass: get 'unrar' from multiverse, or something like that
[10:08] <sihen> hello all
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> jesus has left the building
[10:08] <sihen> can someone possible help me out, just installed ubuntu but it didnt ask me for a root passwd?
[10:08] <InitMass> geppy, never heard about multiverse
[10:08] <[FiDO] > hmm my best guess as to why its not working is its trying to use the sound capture from my webcam
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> sihen: 21:34:17 < A-Master> Mutta jos on hl m=65kg ja lautta m=165kg ja pituus 4,4m. Kaveri liikkuu tasaisella nopeudella laidasta laitaan lautalla. Paljonko
[10:08] <gfxstyler> sihen: you dont need it, you have sudo
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> sorry
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> messed p with paste :-p
[10:08] <geppy> InitMass:  Nevermind, it's just universe.
[10:08] <sihen> let me try
[10:08] <Goshawk> sihen, right
[10:08] <gfxstyler> sihen: if you still want root accsess, type in "sudo passwd root"
[10:09] <sihen> gfxstyler, doesnt seem to work as i didnt set a root passwd?
[10:09] <InitMass> geppy, now i remember that multiverse thing. could you give me a link to a multiverse repository plrease?
[10:10] <cg> I also have problems with TVtime and my ATI AIW
[10:10] <projectmayhem> cg did you get the driver installed? that's what i'm trying to do...
[10:10] <gfxstyler> sihen: no passwd is not the password, its a command
[10:10] <geppy> InitMass: '
[10:10] <sihen> ok its sorted
[10:10] <bryan> i finally just got the new ati drivers to work, now i'm cruising in 1280x1024
[10:10] <sihen> thanks gfxstyler
[10:10] <bryan> *happy*
[10:10] <gfxstyler> sihen: np
[10:10] <projectmayhem> bryan can you help me out?
[10:10] <geppy> InitMass: 'unrar' is in universe, but here's how to install multiverse: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[10:10] <sihen> first time using this distro :)
[10:10] <cg> what driver?
[10:10] <[FiDO] > wow cg we seem to be having the same problems dont we
[10:10] <Solatis> ooohhhh
[10:10] <Solatis> the new synaptic looks slick!
[10:11] <poxymox> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/sturmkind/sources.list
[10:11] <InitMass> geppy, thanx
[10:11] <geppy> InitMass: No problem.
[10:11] <cg> FIDO: you also
[10:11] <bryan> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[10:11] <[FiDO] > must be related to the audigy 2 cause that's what we have in common
[10:11] <cg> FIDO: do have ATI AIW?
[10:11] <[FiDO] > no
[10:11] <Solatis> ehhhr
[10:11] <sihen> gfxstyler, also never used apt-get before, how would i install or search for amsn for example
[10:11] <Solatis> i'm wondering
[10:12] <Solatis> if some crucial part of a library is missing
[10:12] <Solatis> in hoary
[10:12] <[FiDO] > I have a seperate card
[10:12] <gfxstyler> sihen: apt-get install amsn
[10:12] <Solatis> where should i report it ? :)
[10:12] <R0bNyc> i'm trying to get the mplayer-plugins for the browser anyone knows
[10:12] <gfxstyler> sihen: but you can look at Synaptic, there is a search function and a package list, thats much more comfortable
[10:12] <cg> my problem is I can not change the video source
[10:12] <[FiDO] > oh nevermind then
[10:13] <sihen> gfxstyler,
[10:13] <farruinn> Solatis: if it's a bug, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:13] <sihen> E: Couldn't find package amsn
[10:13] <Solatis> farruinn: mwoah... it's more that the package 'boost' is split up in sublibraries (threads, sockets, etc) ... one (recently added) part, which /should/ be in the latest version (strings), isn't there
[10:14] <sihen> i need to find the config option in x to change keyboard setup
[10:14] <gfxstyler> sihen: have you edited your sources.list to support the universe and multiverse repository?
[10:14] <sihen> nm
[10:14] <sihen> found it
[10:14] <sihen> gfxstyler,  how?
[10:15] <bryan> sihen, have you looked @ www.ubuntuguide.org yet?
[10:15] <farruinn> Solatis: hrm, don't know what boost is, have you tried 'apt-cache search boost'?
[10:15] <Solatis> :)
[10:15] <Solatis> yes ofcourse
[10:15] <Solatis> it isn't there :)
[10:15] <Solatis> ah well i'll just submit a bugzilla report
[10:15] <Solatis> and see what trails that leads
[10:15] <farruinn> Solatis: either that or report it to the developer mailing list
[10:15] <Solatis> ok thanks
[10:16] <sihen> farruinn, just installed 2 mins ago
[10:17] <gfxstyler> sihen: "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list" and then uncomment the universe repositories
[10:17] <tizen> hey guys, you know where i can define preferred applications for all filetypes? Like mp3's played by xmms?
[10:18] <geppy> tizen:  In Nautilus, right-click and go to 'Properties'.
[10:18] <oly> whats the force eject cd command ?
[10:18] <geppy> oly: eject
[10:18] <geppy> oly:  eject /media/cdrom
[10:18] <oly> does not work
[10:18] <geppy> tizen: Go to "Open With" on the Permissions menu.
[10:18] <dsoft> hiya
[10:18] <tizen> geppy:  Thank you very much
[10:18] <geppy> tizen:  No problem.