[05:46] <georgia> torpor: warty is stable, hoary is the testing one, bleeding edge kinda stuff, not guaranteed to work properly though (as far as i nunderstand it)
[05:46] <torpor> okay, thanks everyone for the help!
[05:46] <travis> gwildor_: Does it say warty or hoary in there?
[05:47] <torpor> i'm now gonna work out how to dual-boot into OSX .. fun!  ;)
[05:47] <spencer_> travis, good question
[05:47] <gwildor_> travis, idk, windows box at work, but I havent changed that so it should say warty
[05:47] <travis> spencer_: ati.com or nvidia.com
[05:47] <spencer_> it's an intel integrated card
[05:47] <travis> gwildor_: Then it won't get anything from hoary.
[05:47] <travis> spencer_: Ouch.
[05:48] <ryan> prolly one of those intel810 driver cards
[05:48] <spencer_> intel has a driver for it
[05:49] <ryan> a friend's machine needed that driver when i was setting it up for him
[05:49] <drakonim> the i810 xf86 module services all the i8xx chipset based graphics cards.  intels driver is pretty useless, it expects some old X versions
[05:49] <ryan> it ran about as well as a donkey wearing greased shoes.
[05:49] <drakonim> lol ryan
[05:50] <daniels> actually, integrated i810 cards do get stuff from hoary
[05:50] <ryan> daniels: do they work better in xorg?
[05:50] <daniels> my i855 gains the ability to start more than one X server at once (kind of handy when you're hacking X servers), and also support for both pipes -> better VGA out support
[05:50] <daniels> ryan: yes
[05:50] <ryan> any gl? ;)
[05:50] <Chibi> Ooops.
[05:51] <spencer_> this is the line in the device section 'Driver      "i810"'
[05:51] <Chibi> I broke it. :/
[05:51] <gwildor_> broke what?
[05:51] <travis> Heh, I fixed the problem by uninstalling half of GNOME. :/
[05:51] <Chibi> My main ubuntu install. :/
[05:51] <gwildor_> chibi, X broke?
[05:51] <ryan> travis: the problem?
[05:51] <gwildor_> chibi, happened to me twice
[05:51] <Chibi> No, not X.
[05:51] <Chibi> Networking.
[05:52] <travis> ryan: Problem I was having.
[05:52] <gwildor_> chibi, I had a bit of a network prob as well, dsl running at 56k
[05:52] <ryan> travis: what was it?
[05:52] <Chibi> No, a network problem that shouldn't happen.
[05:52] <Chibi> It's direct ethernet. >.>
[05:52] <ryan> travis: oh the scrollkeeper thing?
[05:53] <travis> ryan: Yeah.
[05:53] <Chibi> Anyway, I guess I'll just make some and use this for now.
[05:53] <travis> And then I appearently fixed it by reinstaling that half of GNOME.
[05:54] <Chibi> brbness.
[05:54] <travis> Folks, this is why you don't do a major upgrade like this on anything beyond a minimal system install. :)
[05:54] <ryan> heh
[05:54] <travis> You have to bounce things around to get it all working.
[05:55] <ryan> unfortunately the variables for thousands of user systems makes it hard for devs to make sure the upgrades go seamlessly
[05:56] <torpor> okay i can't figure it out .. how do i get yaboot to boot by default into OSX, not linux?
[05:56] <torpor> or is there another boot manager in PPC/Linux?
[05:56] <torpor> something i have to do in openfirmware?
[05:57] <ryan> my 'windows box' is a k6-2 300 that isn't working right now because 1. it used to be a pII 400 with usb ports and i have a nice usb mouse for it and the k6-2 doesn't have usb, 2. i don't feel liking digging up a serial mouse (stupid "SuperAT" shite) and 3. i don't feel like putting in the win98 cd while it `finds' all the different stuff on this mobo
[05:57] <ryan> all i was using it for really was powertab editor anyway
[05:58] <ryan> which even works in wine, just without midi
[05:59] <ryan> http://ryan.slipgate.org/hardware.html
[05:59] <ryan> photo evidence!
[06:04] <ftPeter008> is there any word when mozilla 1.0 will be included into the warty packages?
[06:05] <hypa7ia> hey boys and girls, i need some help tracking down a kernel header package
[06:05] <ryan> ftPeter008: you mean firefox 1.0?
[06:06] <gwildor_> soon
[06:06] <ftPeter008> ryan: yah, misspoke.
[06:06] <ftPeter008> awesome.
[06:06] <ryan> which is out today
[06:06] <ryan> btw ;)
[06:06] <ryan> the FINAL 1.0 build
[06:06] <ryan> http://www.mozilla.org/
[06:06] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: stab in the dark - substitute linux for kernel
[06:07] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: well, in synaptics, it was called kernel-headers-2.6.something
[06:07] <ryan> http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-11-09.html
[06:07] <hypa7ia> i need to find the .deb on the web in windows :-(
[06:08] <gwildor_> lol, I cant even get to mozilla.org
[06:08] <ryan> heh
[06:08] <ryan> yeah it seems to be going really slow
[06:08] <ryan> i'm guessing they're being hit with 8 million people due to the new release
[06:09] <gwildor_> kevinrose.com is advertising it as well, its gonna be busy
[06:09] <choong_> greetings all, i've been seeing an odd behavior on a laptop i've just installed ubuntu on, wondering if anyone here has seen it:
[06:09] <hypa7ia> hey, yeah, that explains why mozilla.org is down :-)
[06:09] <jpvcx> And its on slashdot
[06:09] <hypa7ia> choong_: what's it doing?
[06:09] <ryan> i'm sure slashdot has mozilla.org under attack too
[06:09] <ryan> ..and it does
[06:09] <choong_> behavior is that gnome login takes thirtyish seconds, firefox start and evolution start about the same
[06:09] <hypa7ia> moz has withstood slashdottings before
[06:10] <hypa7ia> choong_: warty or hoary?
[06:10] <gwildor_> that was before, mozilla gets bigger every day
[06:10] <choong_> i've read around on the web a bit but most people reference this behavior relating to resolver issues, which i'm pretty sure i don't have
[06:10] <ryan> hypa7ia: but slashdot is surely just one of many large sites advertising it
[06:10] <choong_> warty
[06:10] <ryan> hell
[06:10] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: do me a favor?
[06:10] <hypa7ia> ryan: true
[06:10] <ryan> news.com has firefox 1.0 as a headline
[06:10] <hypa7ia> and the ad in the NYT
[06:10] <ryan> cnet is huge
[06:10] <icu> gwildor_: Hi, i'm back. I gave those settings a try and yes dri is working except it's a lot slower than with the fglrx drivers and more problematic.
[06:10] <ryan> http://news.com.com/
[06:10] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: if possible, sure
[06:10] <hypa7ia> rawk.
[06:11] <hypa7ia> can i msg you?
[06:11] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:11] <gwildor_> OMG, I made it to mozilla
[06:11] <ftPeter008> mmm.. darn printer.
[06:11] <ftPeter008> now it's only .5 inches too tall off the top of the page.
[06:12] <gwildor_> has anyone seen the add in NYT
[06:12] <gwildor_> is there a shot of it on the web somewhere?
[06:12] <hypa7ia> gwildor_: i don't think it's out yet
[06:12] <icu> gwildor_: Have you tried tweaking your settings at all the improve performance?
[06:12] <gwildor_> icu, for what?
[06:13] <gwildor_> hypa7ia, oh, ok
[06:13] <icu> gwildor_: To improve 3d performance
[06:13] <hypa7ia> gwildor_: they're getting a deal because they were flexible on the date
[06:13] <choong_> hypa7ia: any thoughts?
[06:14] <ftPeter008> anyone know if A4 paper is longer than US Letter?
[06:14] <choong_> ftPeter008: it is
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ftPeter008: yes
[06:14] <hypa7ia> choong_: no, i've only heard of that happeneing in hoary
[06:14] <gwildor_> icu, all I did was comment out a line and change stuff that said generic to radeon
[06:14] <ftPeter008> sweet.  synaptic upgrade of cups and switching to us letter worked.
[06:14] <hypa7ia> choong_: maybe ask on the list... it's serious enough that it should be documented
[06:15] <choong_> hypa7ia: cool, i'll do that. i've used linux for a few years now and never seen this issue.
[06:16] <hypa7ia> yeah, i don't know.  linux on laptops is hard :-(
[06:16] <choong_> yep
[06:16] <gwildor_> for everyone who wants firefox, but cant get to mozilla.org          http://<IP_ADDRESS>/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/
[06:16] <icu> gwildor_: Oh ok, thanks anyways, I think i'll go back to the fglrx drivers as the frame rates are easily double that of the dri drivers.
[06:16] <gwildor_> icu, what are you getting?
[06:17] <choong_> hopefully suspend to disk will be integrated at some point
[06:17] <ftPeter008> last question, as anyone added wpa-supplicant to the wifi drivers?
[06:17] <icu> for glxgears, 900 for fglrx, 700 for dri. But the ratio is far greater in quake 3 etc...
[06:17] <gwildor_> icu, why so low, I get 4000+
[06:18] <icu> gwildor_: What kind of card is that?
[06:18] <gwildor_> icu, radeon 7000 64mb agp
[06:18] <gwildor_> 4x agp
[06:18] <gwildor_> icu, 1.2ghz 256 ram
[06:19] <icu> gwildor_: This is radeon mobility 9000 32mb so I don't know. Hmm, I gotta believe I should be getting higher. I've got a centrino 1.3, 640mb ram.
[06:20] <hypa7ia> choong_: oh, i have something for that... if i find my kernel headers and get wifi working i'll find it for you
[06:21] <ftPeter008> hypa7ia: what wifi card are you using?
[06:21] <gwildor_> who was looking for a firefox.deb earlier
[06:21] <hypa7ia> ftPeter008: internel intel pro wireless 2200
[06:22] <choong_> hypa7ia: cool, thanks
[06:22] <hypa7ia> choong_: are you on x86?
[06:23] <puzzledm> i installed ut2004 demo on ubuntu and it won't let me uninstall it using the included script saying their is no uninstaller present ... what?
[06:24] <puzzledm> does anybody know how to uninstall it
[06:24] <ryan> "We get a ton of mail from people who clearly are not technically savvy, telling us how great our browser is," said Mozilla Foundation's Baker. "And the other day I had someone at my gym get down on her knees and wave her arms at me when she found out the role I have at the Mozilla project."
[06:24] <ryan> rofl
[06:24] <hypa7ia> that's awesome
[06:25] <hypa7ia> man, i put windoze users on ff and they're pretty appreciative :-)
[06:25] <choong_> hypa7ia: yep. dell precision m50, a couple year oldish p4 laptop
[06:25] <ryan> yeah
[06:25] <hypa7ia> mwahaha... first firefox, then openoffice... then there willbe no reason for them to not go to linux!
[06:25] <hypa7ia> bwahahahaha
[06:25] <ryan> when i put ff on users computers its nice how suddenly they stop getting spyware instantly
[06:25] <choong_> linux is getting very close
[06:25] <ryan> and i don't have to go over for visits every 2 weeks for the "oh and could you have a look at my computer" discussions
[06:26] <hypa7ia> choong_: can i pick your brin for a few minutes?  i'm trying to track down a package but i don't have the net working in ubu yet
[06:26] <choong_> sure
[06:26] <hypa7ia> that it is choong_
[06:26] <choong_> i'm actually using this ubuntu machine as my primary machine at work right now, it's pretty reasonable
[06:26] <hypa7ia> me too
[06:27] <hypa7ia> except for the wifi issue
[06:27] <tritium> does lirc-modules-source compile with 2.6 kernels in ubuntu?
[06:29] <gwildor_> anyone use gain on windows?
[06:29] <gwildor_> gaim*
[06:29] <lupus_> how can I see which version of gst-plugins is installe
[06:29] <lupus_> d
[06:30] <xinel> garg
[06:30] <xinel> pc keeps freezing
[06:30] <Pluk> gwildor_, i do use gaim in windows
[06:30] <Amaranth> So is Xorg in Hoary now or is it still being worked on?
[06:30] <Pluk> beeing synced on the servers i guess Amaranth
[06:31] <Amaranth> cool
[06:31] <puzzledm> how can i speed up my boot process seems to take a long time on netwrok config part
[06:31] <Pluk> cuz i updated 30 mins ago
[06:31] <Pluk> and now there are already new packages
[06:31] <Pluk> so i guess there busy, but not for sure though
[06:32] <WebMaven_> Hi folks.
[06:32] <Pluk> hiya WebMaven
[06:32] <xinel> anybody have any idea on why my pc keeps freezing?
[06:32] <WebMaven_> I'm installing ubuntu, and have reached a screen where it is asking me which kernel to use. How do I choose?
[06:32] <kensai> XORG IS IN APT!!!!!!!!! thanks daniels ;)
[06:33] <hypa7ia> rawkin kensai!
[06:33] <hypa7ia> oh man, been waiting for that
[06:33] <bagpuss> kensai: cool.  Let me know when all the bugs are fixed and it's safe to install it :)
[06:33] <hypa7ia> WebMaven_:  whatcha running, processor-wise?
[06:34] <mxpxpod> are you guys going to upgrade firefox to 1.0 for warty?
[06:34] <WebMaven_> It's a Pentium III
[06:34] <deFrysk> erm... xorg has arrived in hoary
[06:34] <deFrysk> any comment/handhelds ?
[06:35] <Pluk> kewl upgrading now to x.org
[06:35] <yogeex> is it ok to mix warty and hoary packages? (eg use xorg from hoary but gnome etc from warty)
[06:35] <deFrysk> Pluk, good luck
[06:35] <bratsche> Joy!  Firefox 1.0 is released today.
[06:35] <Pluk> tankewol
[06:35] <bratsche> Hopefully Firefox 1.0 will make it into Ubuntu soon.
[06:35] <deFrysk> hehe Pluk
[06:35] <Pluk> :P
[06:35] <hypa7ia> WebMaven_: i686
[06:35] <WebMaven_> my choices are: linux-image-386, linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386, linux-image-2.6-386, and linux-386
[06:35] <bratsche> yogeex: That should be fine.
[06:35] <hypa7ia> WebMaven_: the 2nd one
[06:36] <WebMaven_> what are the differences?
[06:36] <MoonSweep> hello
[06:36] <MoonSweep> i don't come to ask questions this time :)
[06:36] <Pluk> ok here i go.. hope to be back in a sec....
[06:37] <RobLinux> Does the screensaver helps or no
[06:37] <WebMaven_> hypa7ia, what are the differences between the choices?
[06:38] <ryan> woo xorg 6.8@#^!%#'
[06:38] <hypa7ia> WebMaven_: the second one is the newest
[06:39] <WebMaven_> Ah. Thank you.
[06:39] <gwildor_> ryan, its ready?
[06:39] <ryan> installing now
[06:39] <gwildor_> ryan, if I tried it, is it gonna be hard??
[06:40] <gwildor_> ryan, should I just leave it alone?
[06:40] <ryan> kensai found it first
[06:40] <ryan> but he still doesn't get the prize
[06:40] <ryan> :<
[06:40] <gwildor_> hahaha
[06:40] <hypa7ia> WebMaven_: glad to help :-)
[06:40] <thoreauputic> RobLinux: Does the screensaver help for what, exactly?
[06:41] <Amaranth> err, i forget
[06:41] <gwildor_> ryan, but how hard is it gonna be fore me to use?
[06:41] <ryan> okay i'm finished upgrading
[06:41] <Amaranth> is it a good idea to update X from a term running on X? :)
[06:41] <gwildor_> ryan, should I just stick with xfree
[06:41] <ryan> i'm half expecting to restard x to find an error log
[06:41] <ryan> we shall see
[06:41] <trans_err> does evolution's spam filters actually work? I just mark things as spam and it doesn't do a thing-
[06:41] <MoonSweep> Amaranth: i never had problems with upgrades on Debian, so I think Ubuntu have the same benefits
[06:41] <Sophistication> Amaranth, no
[06:42] <Sophistication> Amaranth, & yes
[06:42] <MoonSweep> you can upgrade your whole system from an Xterm
[06:42] <MoonSweep> or from Synaptic
[06:42] <gwildor_> ryan, kk, aslong as it doesn't break x ill be fine, if x breaks, I have to re-install
[06:43] <Mitario> hmm, x.org is not starting with Option  "Composite"     "Enabled", it says "Enabled" is not a valid value, anyone knows what it should be?
[06:44] <daniels> Mitario: you put that in 'Section "Extensions"'?
[06:44] <Mitario> yep
[06:44] <Mitario> oh wait now it says 'problem when converting the configs data structures'
[06:44] <daniels> AH BUGGER
[06:44] <daniels> Mitario: change Enabled to Enable
[06:44] <Mitario> ah :)
[06:45] <Mitario> brb :)
[06:45] <tritium> daniels, are you going to have to re-send the email?
[06:45] <daniels> tritium: i doubt it, but we'll see
[06:45] <tritium> hopefully not
[06:45] <ryan> hrm
[06:45] <ryan> X -version shows that i'm still running <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:46] <Amaranth> Well, that was painless.
[06:46] <daniels> ryan: you may have to manually sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg-driver-synaptics
[06:46] <Amaranth> daniels: Are the xorg packages going to end up in Debian experimental too?
[06:46] <daniels> ryan: did you do a non-smart upgrade in synaptic, or run apt-get upgrade, rather than apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:46] <daniels> Amaranth: eventually, but they need a lot of work before that can happen (remember debian is now like 14 architectures, to our 3)
[06:46] <Mitario> daniels, ok, now it works, thanks
[06:46] <ryan> daniels: i did apt-get upgrade
[06:46] <Amaranth> Ah, yeah.
[06:47] <daniels> ryan: don't do that
[06:47] <daniels> ryan: do dist-upgrade, like the email says ;)
[06:47] <ryan> well you didn't email me!
[06:47] <ryan> hehe
[06:47] <Amaranth> I just installed xserver-xorg and a couple other things that a search brought up.
[06:47] <daniels> nah, I just emailed some random guy called 'ubuntu-announce' or something :P
[06:47] <Swifty> How can i delete a programm i installed with apt-get  and ALL files (confugration etc) too it.
[06:47] <Amaranth> Doh, I need to get on that list.
[06:47] <ryan> running apt-get dist-upgrade now
[06:48] <ryan> that'll take care of a few things that were hanging back anyway
[06:48] <deFrysk> installing without a hitch :)
[06:49] <Mitario> now I want to test the leet shadows :p or aren't they enabled in this early packages yet?
[06:49] <ryan> screw shadows i just want xcompmgr
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Swifty: apt-get remove --purge
[06:50] <will_> i get to download my updates at an average of 750KB/s :)
[06:52] <ryan> daniels: perfect.
[06:53] <beezly> I'm back
[06:53] <ryan> hooray
[06:54] <will_> whats the main difference between x and xfree86?
[06:54] <bagpuss> free86
[06:54] <MoonSweep> lol
[06:55] <will_> ha
[06:55] <will_> ha
[06:55] <mjr> latter implements former
[06:56] <Amaranth> woo
[06:56] <Amaranth> i get over 100 more fps in glxgears
[06:56] <Amaranth> and when you're only getting 501fps 100 means a lot
[06:56] <gwildor_> ryan, get it working?
[06:56] <gwildor_> ryan, X.org?
[06:56] <ryan> yeah
[06:57] <gwildor_> ryan, how is it?
[06:57] <ryan> just make sure you dist-upgrade, not just upgrade ;P
[06:57] <ryan> its the same because i haven't enabled the composite manager yet
[06:57] <ryan> not worried about trans or shadows yet
[06:57] <gwildor_> ryan, I usually upgrade from synaptic, smart upgrade, but I gotcha
[06:58] <gwildor_> ryan, composit manager, maybe ill wait to use it till I can find someone with the time to help me set it up
[06:58] <lupus_> how can I see the version of an installed package?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> lupus_: dpkg -l <packagename>
[06:59] <deFrysk> XFree86: 4.3.0 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  | Res: 1280x1024, 16-bits | X-chat: 2.4.0
[06:59] <lupus_> thx
[06:59] <Slackman> heya, how hard is Xorg to get get going under ubuntu PPC?
[06:59] <stvn> deFrysk: didn't work?
[06:59] <daniels> i'm making packages of xcompmgr to upload now
[06:59] <deFrysk> still saying xfree86 :s
[06:59] <letheus> I get no sound when playing MOV-files. I?ve used VLC and XINE. MPlayer is still broken
[07:00] <deFrysk> xorg is installled
[07:00] <ryan> mplayer rocks
[07:00] <kensai> I installed xorg already
[07:00] <deFrysk> without a hitch
[07:00] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: did you restart X ?
[07:00] <kensai> is it as default now?
[07:00] <kensai> how I check
[07:00] <kensai> ?
[07:00] <deFrysk> but sinfo says i have still xfree86 running
[07:00] <stvn> deFrysk: they promised a smooth upgrade, it is so smooth you don't even notivce it :P
[07:00] <ryan> kensai: X -version works
[07:00] <deFrysk> ist probably configfiles keeping things in check :)
[07:01] <kensai> X Window System Version 6.8.1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!
[07:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> cool
[07:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> kensai: how'd you do that?
[07:01] <thoreauputic> X -version
[07:01] <deFrysk> But xorg is installed flawlessly , ubuntu-developers, good work :)
[07:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> kensai: but how'd you install it?
[07:01] <kensai> apt-ger dist-upgrade
[07:01] <kensai> apt-get dist-upgrade*
[07:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> kensai: you on Hoary, or what?
[07:02] <kensai> yep I'm on hoary
[07:02] <daniels> deFrysk: remember you have to run apt-get dist-upgrade, or a synaptic smart upgrade
[07:02] <daniels> deFrysk: apt-get upgrade will not (repeat, not) install the x.org x server for you
[07:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> kensai: me too, I'll check it out
[07:02] <deFrysk> daniels, I did that ;)
[07:02] <kensai> daniels, can I delete Xfree86 config now?
[07:02] <daniels> kensai: yah
[07:02] <daniels> deFrysk: restart gdm?
[07:03] <deFrysk> daniels, it says here x-window-system-core is being held back with dist-upgrade
[07:03] <daniels> interesting
[07:04] <daniels> mdz: please walk him through debugging apt's problem resolution stuff ^^ if you have a minute, I can't remember the necessary crack and I think I'm going to pass out at my keyboard
[07:04] <letheus> I can?t get MPlayer working
[07:04] <bagpuss> letheus: in what way does it not work?
[07:05] <kensai> Kool glxgears is giving more FPS in Xorg great
[07:05] <ryan> heh
[07:05] <ryan> i still get ~3500fps
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> kensai: yea, X.org is nice
[07:05] <stvn> woei, a 456MB download from wart to hoary, i'll do it when I've got some more bandwidth to burn
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> kensai: also check out xcompmgr
[07:06] <letheus> bagpuss, Well, it just doesn?t start up.
[07:06] <kensai> I'm getting almost 8,000
[07:06] <Mitario> hmm, i don't have the xcompmgr binary.. is it in a seperate pkg?
[07:06] <ryan> LifesizeKenDoll: where abouts is it?
[07:06] <bagpuss> letheus: try starting it from a terminal? See what the error is?
[07:06] <letheus> bagpuss, ok
[07:06] <daniels> Mitario: yes, one which I haven't uploaded yet because my wrists are threatening to implode
[07:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> you may have to compile xcompmgr
[07:06] <kensai> LifesizeKenDoll: xcompmgr?
[07:06] <Temet> eh eh, Hi LifesizeKenDoll
[07:06] <Mitario> daniels, ah ok :)
[07:06] <Temet> ;)
[07:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey man
[07:06] <Mitario> daniels, dude, take a rest, you guys did a great job :)
[07:07] <LifesizeKenDoll> xcompmgr allows compositing engine to work, i.e. dropshadows and transparency
[07:07] <kensai> LifesizeKenDoll: Ah ok
[07:07] <bratsche> Does anyone know why I get this in Synaptic whenever I'm updating packages?
[07:07] <Mitario> wow 3500 even
[07:07] <bratsche> Generating locales...
[07:07] <bratsche>   en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[07:07] <letheus> bagpuss, Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf    Illegal instruction
[07:07] <bratsche> Then I get errors about package processing starting with package 'locales'
[07:08] <kensai> daniels: you deserve a good rest Thanks for Xorg ;)
[07:08] <Sophistication> so how are you guys liken Ubuntu?
[07:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> Sophistication: it is awesome
[07:08] <bagpuss> letheus: you get that mplayer from marillat?  I had that error with marillat's package last night.  The package in multiverse worked though
[07:08] <deFrysk> fixed :)
[07:08] <kensai> Sophistication: we are just liking it even more in this minutes ;)
[07:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> I want firefox!
[07:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> grr
[07:09] <Sophistication> Im thinking of putting it on my test system & give it a whirl but it will be the first time I ever ran debian!
[07:09] <bagpuss> Sophistication: it's okay.  I have high hopes it will be excellent in a couple more releases
[07:09] <letheus> bagpuss, Yes i used Multiverse...but what is marillat?
[07:09] <oddabe19> I can't install xbase-clients.... it won't upgrade it...
[07:09] <oddabe19> can anyone help?  For XORG in hoary
[07:09] <oddabe19> it did everything else
[07:09] <Sophistication> I have ran Slackware & Redhat for the last 5 years so this will be newish!
[07:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> Sophistication: I truly recommend it
[07:09] <bagpuss> letheus: a different repository
[07:10] <letheus> bagpuss, ok.  So, i should install MPlayer manually?
[07:10] <Sophistication> LifesizeKenDoll, Heh Well I do have 40 cds coming heh
[07:10] <Sophistication> I just might install it ;D
[07:10] <bagpuss> letheus: no, I'd perservere...I've foundf the one in multiverse to be very stable and usable
[07:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> Sophistication: alright, do that and pass out to all your friends
[07:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> getting X.org now
[07:11] <Sophistication> LifesizeKenDoll, If its decent I'll be passing it out to some of my clients
[07:11] <Unfun> whats the pkg management system for ubuntu?
[07:11] <Sophistication> Unfun, Apt
[07:11] <LifesizeKenDoll> Unfun: apt-get
[07:11] <Unfun> apt, thanks
[07:11] <Sophistication> synaptic gui front - end for apt
[07:11] <letheus> Synaptic
[07:11] <Sophistication> buy me a pepsi!
[07:11] <Unfun> synaptic is the front end?
[07:12] <oddabe19> LifesizeKenDoll, did your upgrade install xbase-clients?
[07:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: yea, went fine
[07:12] <deFrysk> X.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  | Res: 1280x1024, 16-bits | X-chat: 2.4.0
[07:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: what's yours doing?
[07:12] <oddabe19> mine didn't
[07:12] <deFrysk> gottit :D
[07:12] <oddabe19> it did everything except that
[07:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: just `sudo apt-get install xbase-clients`
[07:12] <oddabe19> i did
[07:12] <oddabe19> it won't let me
[07:12] <ryan> woo
[07:12] <ryan> (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
[07:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: *tear*
[07:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> ryan: sweet, man
[07:12] <ryan> daniels: i found your email :p
[07:12] <gwildor_> ryan, whats that mean?
[07:13] <oddabe19> LifesizeKenDoll,
[07:13] <oddabe19> I don't know
[07:13] <letheus> bagpuss, Allright. I will try that then. Thanks :)
[07:13] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll, is it possible to remove the word "application" in the launch bar... in order to get just the icon ?
[07:13] <kensai> Now I'll install project looking glass in ubuntu?
[07:13] <Kyaneos> hi
[07:13] <oddabe19> in synaptic, it says xbase-clients:
[07:13] <oddabe19>  Depends: libxkbfile1 but it is not going to be installed
[07:13] <oddabe19>  Depends: libxkbui1 but it is not going to be install
[07:13] <Kyaneos> xorg is now in unstable, is not it??
[07:13] <kensai> yeah I'll give looking glass a try
[07:14] <oddabe19> so i select libxkbui1 to be installed and it wants to remove most of my system
[07:14] <user123> hi
[07:14] <Temet> kensai, i've already try, but not a lot of succes : very slow and lots of bugs
[07:14] <kensai> Temet: In which distro you tried?
[07:14] <daniels> oddabe19: which architecture are you running?  what happens if you run 'sudo apt-get install libxkbfile1 libxkbui1'?
[07:15] <oddabe19> k7
[07:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: yea, it's easy
[07:15] <user123> hi have a problem with hoary, but i don't exactly know what it is so i'll ask here first before submitting it to bugzilla
[07:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: right-click->remove from panel
[07:15] <daniels> oddabe19: ok, I'll need the output of the apt command then
[07:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> brb - restarting X
[07:15] <Temet> erf kensai, i tried it on an old hard drive with a stupid mdk 10
[07:15] <user123> my problem is: nautilus is veeery slow because of som missing service or sth.
[07:16] <kensai> Temet: yeah I had it working on MDK 10.1
[07:16] <user123> when i start it in concole it says:
[07:16] <user123> tim@ubuntu ~ $ nautilus
[07:16] <user123> failed to find gam_server
[07:16] <user123> failed to exec (null)
[07:16] <user123> Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-tim-
[07:16] <user123> failed to find gam_server
[07:16] <user123> failed to exec (null)
[07:16] <user123> Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-tim-
[07:16] <user123> and its slow as hell
[07:16] <xuzo> user123: apt-cache search gamin
[07:16] <letheus> No flooding :)
[07:16] <user123> around 5-10 seconds to open a folder
[07:16] <xuzo> user123: install libraries and server
[07:16] <Temet> well, not to slow kensai?
[07:17] <kensai> Temet: yeah a bit slow it depends on hardware
[07:17] <lupus_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:17] <lupus_>   xbase-clients: Depends: libxkbfile1 but it is not going to be installed
[07:17] <lupus_>                  Depends: libxkbui1 but it is not going to be installed
[07:17] <lupus_> anyone fixing this?
[07:17] <user123> wha
[07:17] <Temet> ok kensai
[07:17] <user123> yeah !
[07:17] <user123> you were right :)
[07:17] <Mitario> heh, dependency troubles in hoary
[07:17] <Mitario> libxfixes-dev: Depends: libx11-dev but it is not going to be installed, libx11-dev is already the newest version
[07:18] <user123> i already thought about that but i only had _lib_gamin installed
[07:18] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[07:18] <user123> but that stuff should depend on each other ... however ... its hoary :)
[07:18] <icu> I see that xorg has just been uploaded to hoary, has anyone tried upgrading yet? Problems?
[07:19] <Mitario> icu, absolutely no problems here :)
[07:19] <FX|Laptop> is anyone else using hoary and if so are they having trouble getting upgrades?
[07:19] <daniels> ok, there are problems upgrading I see, give me ten minutes to go look at it
[07:19] <xuzo> user123: you are rigth may be we have to report this
[07:19] <FX|Laptop> I'm getting 404 errors from the repos
[07:19] <Treenaks> daniels: uh, can I buy you huys a beer next month in Mataro :)
[07:19] <icu> Mitario: You tried dri on it yet?
[07:19] <Treenaks> guys
[07:19] <user123> @icu: i didn't try it and i won't do so for some time
[07:19] <user123> just got my radeon working
[07:19] <Mitario> icu, umm, i think I have it enabled
[07:19] <xuzo> about mataro... its free? :)
[07:19] <daniels> ok, I know what the problem is
[07:20] <Treenaks> xuzo: except for the travel expenses, yeah, I think so (but I'm not an authority on that..)
[07:20] <xuzo> any type of registration?
[07:20] <Treenaks> xuzo: the wiki
[07:20] <icu> Mitario: can you give glxgears a try and get the fps?
[07:20] <Mitario> i get ~ 2000 fps sometimes ~ 3500
[07:21] <icu> Mitario: cool, what card?
[07:21] <Mitario> nvidia geforce fx 5200
[07:21] <kensai> is good idea to install xbase-clients?
[07:21] <kensai> lots of things are marked to be removed
[07:21] <icu> Mitario: lucky you got an nvidia, i'm stuck with this radeon m9000 in my laptop
[07:21] <FX|Laptop> any idea why I'm getting 404 errors from the hoary repos?
[07:22] <kensai> and it only will install libxkbfile and libxkbui
[07:22] <mirak> hi
[07:22] <daniels> ok, I know what the problem is, fixing and uploading now
[07:22] <daniels> thanks for help in debugging
[07:22] <mirak> anyone know how to select the scanner in xsane ? xsane choose bt878 instead of the scanner
[07:23] <Mojo_Jojo> hey, has anyone been able to install transcode?
[07:25] <mdz> daniels: the guy with the dist-upgrade problem seems to have left
[07:25] <Mojo_Jojo> why do I keep getting this error when the libs are there?? "  Depends: libpng12-0 but <IP_ADDRESS>-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:25] <Mojo_Jojo>   Depends: libquicktime1 but 0.9.2release-5 is to be installed"
[07:25] <mdz> daniels: it works flawlessly for me
[07:26] <pitigrilli> hi, i need help, using ubuntu for the first time. i cant find grub.conf. it isnt in /boot/grub/grub.conf
[07:26] <Treenaks> pitigrilli: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:26] <Treenaks> pitigrilli: you'll want to use update-grub to update it, read the ocmments thoroughly
[07:27] <FX|Laptop> any help on the 404 errors?
[07:27] <daniels> mdz: the problem only occurs if you have xlibs-static-dev installed
[07:27] <Dennis_k> remove the ipv6 rules
[07:27] <daniels> mdz: in the general case, upgrades are still fine
[07:27] <daniels> mdz: but I'm uploading a new version now anyway
[07:28] <pitigrilli> i just want to change the default boot. i think i can do this in menu.lst
[07:29] <FX|Laptop> Well thanks for all the help anyways.
[07:29] <daniels> ok, new version uploaded, if you have problems, either remove xlibs-static-dev and the -dev packages depending on it unless you really need them, or wait about two hours when a fixed version is in the archive
[07:29] <daniels> for the general case, upgrades are still ok
[07:29] <daniels> but, in the meantime, workrave is telling me that I should stop the day because I've been typing for 13 hours with about 20min break, and I can't disagree with it
[07:30] <mxpxpod> is there any chance of getting firefox 1.0 into warty?
[07:30] <daniels> mxpxpod: on
[07:31] <mxpxpod> daniels: ok
[07:33] <mirak> anyone know how to select the scanner in xsane ? xsane choose bt878 instead of the scanner
[07:35] <|progenic|> excuse me, is samba cannot to the windows network that have a pass ?
[07:36] <|progenic|> password i mean
[07:36] <bratsche> Hmm.. there is a newer NVIDIA driver than the one currently in Ubuntu.
[07:36] <|progenic|> i always get the message the content cannot be displayed
[07:36] <corbob> 67 files to be updated or installed in 9 hours...
[07:36] <corbob> and firefox still hasn't made it into the repos...
[07:37] <LinuxJones> bratsche, yes I think nvidia released one the other day
[07:37] <bratsche> Yeah, on Nov.5
[07:37] <bratsche> I wonder how long until Ubuntu gets the newest NVIDIA driver.
[07:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> bratsche: hardly any distro has it yet
[07:39] <bratsche> Yeah, I know.  I need to learn how to make .deb files myself so I can contribute whenever I find a package like this I'd like to update.
[07:39] <bratsche> Or I could just install it from the NVIDIA installer, but I want to avoid doing that.
[07:40] <acecase> is there anything special to mounting dvd-RW?
[07:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> brb
[07:43] <Ruffian|Q|> Hello Moto
[07:43] <acecase> i can mount a normal dvd movie with a simple mount /media/cdrom1 with fstab values but i can't mount this dvd-rw
[07:43] <Ruffian|Q|> Have any Ubuntu CDs Shipped yet?
[07:44] <mdz> daniels: what's the problem with xlibs-static-dev?
[07:49] <sabdfl> Ruffian|Q|: yes
[07:49] <Ruffian|Q|> yay!
[07:49] <sabdfl> they are rolling off the production line
[07:49] <Ruffian|Q|> neeeeeeeeeetoriffic
[07:51] <letheus> bagpuss, i downloaded MPlayer from Multiverse, but it?s the same
[07:52] <cardador> has anyone upgraded to xorg?
[07:52] <KeyserSoze> yeah
[07:52] <KeyserSoze> just now
[07:52] <KeyserSoze> on it right now
[07:53] <cardador> KeyserSoze: xorg?
[07:53] <KeyserSoze> yes
[07:53] <cardador> was it painless? :)
[07:53] <KeyserSoze> the packages that fabbione just built
[07:53] <KeyserSoze> yeah
[07:53] <KeyserSoze> no probs
[07:53] <cardador> KeyserSoze: you did a dist-upgrade,  or something else?
[07:53] <KeyserSoze> yeah dist-upgrade after changing the sources.list to hoary
[07:54] <cardador> KeyserSoze: ok i have them on hoary since the first day.
[07:54] <KeyserSoze> only prob was with the modelines I needed to add to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf because of my laptop widescreen
[07:54] <KeyserSoze> so just do the dist-upgrade
[07:55] <cardador> KeyserSoze: so it will use xorg.conf instead of XF86Config-4? what about nvidia drivers? do i have to add them to xorg.conf?
[07:55] <KeyserSoze> yeah
[07:55] <KeyserSoze> xorg.conf is what it uses
[07:55] <KeyserSoze> and gotta change the driver to nvidia
[07:56] <cardador> KeyserSoze: and comment and uncomment dri, etc?
[07:56] <Chibi> Hey, what was the dev tools metapackage again? x_X
[07:56] <WW> Chibi: build-essential
[07:56] <Chibi> Thanks.
[07:56] <KeyserSoze> also add: Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"
[07:56] <Chibi> I hate breaking things. :P
[07:56] <KeyserSoze> to the Device section
[07:56] <KeyserSoze> car: of course
[07:57] <cardador> Keybuk: thanks ill keep that in mind
[07:57] <KeyserSoze> k
[07:58] <enabl> do I need xcompmgr to enable the drop shadows with xorg
[07:58] <cardador> Keybuk: do you notice any difference from xfree?
[07:58] <Unfun> is there a way to get ubuntu to authenticate off a NT PDC?
[07:58] <KeyserSoze> cardador: real transparency
[07:58] <KeyserSoze> also need this
[07:58] <KeyserSoze> Section "Extensions"
[07:58] <KeyserSoze>         Option          "Composite"             "Enable"
[07:58] <KeyserSoze> EndSection
[07:58] <Chibi> enabl- xfwm4 has a built in compositor.
[07:58] <cardador> KeyserSoze: what about speed
[07:58] <caso> hi KeyserSoze, I've changed sources.list to hoary and I did the update, upgrade an distro-upgrade
[07:58] <Chibi> You can use that instead. :o
[07:59] <Chibi> caso - That was a mistake. :P
[07:59] <caso> I've changed XF86Config-4 for the touchpad and it keeps working
[07:59] <KeyserSoze> car: about the same I'd say
[07:59] <enabl> does it need to be enabled at compile time Chibi
[07:59] <KeyserSoze> caso: xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf not XF86Config-4
[07:59] <Unfun> whats teh sources list for hoary?
[07:59] <ti1> but you can make a link, then its no difference
[08:00] <caso> key: I didn't now it, but it works
[08:00] <Chibi> Yes, enabl. I recommend not using shadows and transparencies now though, because they're still buggy. :/
[08:00] <cardador> upp sorry Keybuk :)
[08:00] <cardador> upps*
[08:00] <ti1> ln -s XFree86Config-4 xorg.conf should work
[08:00] <enabl> I'll be using it, I love that eye candy :)
[08:00] <Chibi> Xine and OpenGL don't like them too much.
[08:00] <caso> ok, i'll look at xorg.conf tomorrow
[08:00] <caso> thanks key
[08:01] <KeyserSoze> np
[08:01] <caso> chibi, why do you say it was a mistake???
[08:01] <Chibi> Hoary likes to be broken. :P
[08:02] <caso> :)
[08:02] <Unfun> how do i change from warty to hoary  source list?
[08:02] <ti1> just replace warty with hoary
[08:02] <Chibi> Replace instances of the word warty with hoary
[08:02] <Chibi> :o
[08:02] <caso> I've tried to install from de installCD but it doesn't work, so I installed warty and update to hoary
[08:02] <Chibi> Still not smart! :O
[08:02] <cardador> Unfun: do what til and Chibi said on synaptic > repositories
[08:03] <Chibi> Don't do it unless you like fixing broken things.
[08:03] <Unfun> got it
[08:03] <Unfun> i like fixing broken things
[08:03] <cardador> ahah
[08:03] <Unfun> also wondering if hoary includes winbind
[08:03] <caso> is just to try it
[08:03] <caso> i'll reformat it tomorro late
[08:03] <caso> :)
[08:03] <Chibi> Last time I played with it, the init failed, gnome broke, X broke, networking broke, and alsa broke.
[08:04] <caso> is too soon to try it, maybe in april'05 :)
[08:04] <Unfun> hah
[08:04] <ti1> (20:03:29) Chibi: Don't do it unless you like fixing broken things. < i just added the hoary repository and updated everything available, still works find ...
[08:05] <Unfun> til did you do upgrade
[08:05] <Unfun> and distro-upgrade?
[08:05] <Unfun> then reboot?
[08:05] <Chibi> Absolute madness. :o
[08:05] <Chibi> Because I just did it an hour ago.
[08:05] <ti1> mh
[08:05] <skar> i've got an apache server and its logs are in /etc/httpd/logs and in /etc/logrotate.conf, its set "include /etc/logrotate.d"
[08:05] <ti1> i used synaptic
[08:06] <ti1> so i used whatever synaptic uses
[08:06] <Unfun> im doing it from command line
[08:06] <skar> and in /etc/logrotate.d/apache the log files are listed, but my logs are not rotated? any idea
[08:06] <ti1> yesterday i compiled gparted from source and deleted and moved some partitions
[08:06] <Chibi> We better get that in warty soon. :o
[08:07] <ti1> everything still fine
[08:07] <ti1> buggy software is the best
[08:09] <Dennis_k> hi
[08:09] <enabl> Chibi is it possible to toggle the drop shadows on/off with the xfce compositor
[08:09] <enabl> or are they on all the time
[08:10] <Chibi> Not at the moment. We're trying to get that in as a console option before the 4.2 release.
[08:10] <enabl> cool thanks
[08:10] <Chibi> We added in the compositor after the translation lock
[08:10] <Chibi> So no UI config tools. :/
[08:10] <Slackman> Chibi: are you one of the XFCE devels?
[08:11] <bur[n] er> is there a changelog regarding xffm?  i really would like a gtk alternative to nautilus
[08:11] <Chibi> Not officially, I'm on the dev lists though. :P
[08:11] <bur[n] er> one that is as powerful as konq though
[08:11] <Slackman> bur[n] er konq rocks, i love fish://
[08:11] <Chibi> XFFM is getting better, no icon view yet, but it's much more usable than it was in 4.
[08:12] <Slackman> xfce is fast
[08:12] <Slackman> =)
[08:12] <Chibi> XFCE is the best :D
[08:12] <ryan> heh
[08:12] <bigbrother0074> so....what's the story on firefox 1.0? should i go for it?
[08:12] <Chibi> It's the middleground between full desktop and simple window manager.
[08:12] <bur[n] er> Slackman: i agree ;)  fish is why i use konq
[08:12] <bur[n] er> and smb:/  actually works to windows machines
[08:13] <bur[n] er> thanks Chibi
[08:13] <Slackman> bur[n] er i just love that you can use fish,ftp,http,smb,nfs countless other protocols from within any app
[08:13] <Slackman> its just so handy
[08:13] <tim1> is Daffyd Harries here ?
[08:14] <Chibi> I love konqueror. But I hate Qt. :/
[08:14] <Slackman> Chibi, heh, i love xfce but not partial to gtk :)
[08:14] <daf> tim1: hi
[08:14] <tim1> oh, that was easy
[08:14] <tim1> hi
[08:15] <tim1> i just wanted you to ask what i have to do when i want to join the translation team as translator for the ubuntu website
[08:15] <ryan> rats
[08:15] <ryan> can't build xcompmgr
[08:15] <ryan> oh well
[08:15] <bur[n] er> gtk is kind of a pain to develop a ui in... but i like it's look & feel as opposed to qt
[08:16] <Chibi> GTK feels better. Qt looks like I'm looking into ouch. :/
[08:16] <Chibi> It doesn't matter the theme, it just always hurts my eyes.
[08:16] <hypa7ia> hey, anyone have any idea if the crypto library that WEP needs is enabled in the default ubuntu kernel?
[08:17] <Slackman> hmm see i think GTK looks better but qt feels more responsive
[08:17] <tim1> daf: ...
[08:17] <bur[n] er> x.org in hoary!!! time to dist-upgrade :)  anyone using it?
[08:17] <hypa7ia> not yet, bur[n] er... waiting a week or two :-)
[08:18] <Chibi> Yes, qt feels more responsive, but it looks fugly. :o
[08:18] <ubuntu-geek> bur[n] er: yep upgrade was smooth.. works good so far
[08:18] <|progenic|> anybody know how to use 3ddesktop ?
[08:18] <mdz_> |progenic|: there is a document in the wiki which explains it
[08:18] <Chibi> |progenic| Don't. hehe.
[08:19] <Slackman> Chibi i use gtk on my ibook, but i can't work with it...its so much easier to have fish & other protocols accessable to each app
[08:19] <bur[n] er> right on... one person is good enough for me to try it out and do some bug reporting
[08:19] <|progenic|> don't ? why?
[08:19] <daf> tim1: just as second
[08:19] <Chibi> What's fish, may I ask. :o
[08:19] <tim1> ok :)
[08:19] <bur[n] er> fish:/  ==  scp
[08:19] <Slackman> Chibi its just ssh/scp
[08:19] <Chibi> Ah.
[08:20] <Slackman> but mounted..sort of
[08:20] <lupus_> the clock applet is using 18.6mb
[08:20] <lupus_> is this normal?
[08:20] <bur[n] er> supposedly gftp can do scp, but it's a painful workaround
[08:20] <caso> see you mates
[08:20] <Slackman> i know nautilus can do sftp easily too, but its never available to other apps
[08:20] <bigbrother0074> so....what's the story on firefox 1.0? should i go for it?
[08:20] <bur[n] er> bigbrother0074: i'm using it successfully on win32 boxes
[08:20] <Slackman> i.e, under xfce if i use gimp, i dont have sftp access
[08:21] <ubuntu-geek> bur[n] er:  there is some talk on the forums about x.org too.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3790
[08:21] <Chibi> bigbrother- Wait for a bit.
[08:21] <hypa7ia> so, anyone have an where i can find out if something is enabled in th default ubuntu kernel or not?
[08:21] <tim1> i hope firefox 1.0 will be on the ubuntu repository soon
[08:21] <bigbrother0074> Chibi, how long? what for?
[08:21] <letheus> Why wait?
[08:21] <Chibi> As far as I'm concerned, 0.9.is still more stable.
[08:21] <bur[n] er> right on, thanks ubuntu-geek
[08:21] <letheus> ok
[08:21] <bigbrother0074> Chibi, i see
[08:22] <Chibi> I can't count the time 1.0RC1 has crashed on me.
[08:22] <hypa7ia> choong_: http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/
[08:22] <jordi> hypa7ia: have you tried to look for a config-* in /boot?
[08:23] <hypa7ia> jordi: no, but i wil, hadn't the slightest idea where to start
[08:24] <jordi> hypa7ia: k
[08:24] <hypa7ia> jordi: is that where it's likely to be?
[08:24] <jordi> hypa7ia: most certainly
[08:24] <jordi> /booot/config-2.6.x
[08:24] <ryan> hrm yeah nautilus is painfully slow now
[08:25] <ryan> takes like 5-10 seconds to open each directory
[08:25] <bur[n] er> pr was a lot more stable than rc's, but 1.0 is stable for me so far
[08:25] <bur[n] er> uhh... regarding firefox that is
[08:25] <hypa7ia> now is that something that i can edit, jordi?  i just need to enable ARC4 crypto.  or do i need to recompile
[08:25] <jordi> hypa7ia: recompile
[08:25] <daf> tim1: have you seen the TranslationTeam page on the wiki
[08:25] <hypa7ia> tarnation :-(
[08:25] <lupus_> is it normal that the dbus-daemon is run twice
[08:25] <jordi> config-2.6.x is just the configuration file ubuntu used to build your kernel
[08:25] <daf> hypa7ia: hi there :)
[08:25] <Slackman> ryan, not that i'm a nautilus fan, but what sys you got?
[08:25] <hypa7ia> that's what i figured jordi :-(
[08:25] <lupus_> once for the current user and once for messagebus
[08:25] <hypa7ia> hi daf
[08:26] <hypa7ia> unless ARC4 is enabled in the default kernel, in which case the fault lies elsewhere
[08:26] <daf> hypa7ia: Prague?
[08:26] <hypa7ia> daf: prague?
[08:26] <sjoerd> lupus_: it should run once for the system and once for the user
[08:27] <hypa7ia> can someone check for me if CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is on in the default kernel?  i'm in windoze :-((
[08:27] <daf> hypa7ia: whoops, mistook you for someone else
[08:27] <wasabi_> Is Ubuntu going to have an easy to use server edition?
[08:28] <hypa7ia> daf: no worries :-)
[08:28] <LinuxJones> wasabi_, who knows :)
[08:28] <tim1> daf: ah this is a good start, thanks
[08:28] <Slackman> wasabi_ why cant you use the existing one?
[08:29] <Chibi> wasabi_ - boot the install disk in server mode?
[08:29] <wasabi_> Slackman: i said "easy to use". As in, with profiles about what type of server. Wizards for standard office setups (centralized LDAP user base), etff like that.
[08:29] <wasabi_> Windows/OS X style.
[08:29] <Slackman> wasabi_ ah ok....are there any linux distro's that do that now?
[08:29] <wasabi_> Not that I know of.
[08:29] <Chibi> wasabi_ - Some debian team might be ganking fedora's apache config tools
[08:30] <ryan> Slackman: heh, sempron 2400+
[08:30] <Chibi> Fedora 3 has apache stuff. :/
[08:30] <wasabi_> I want a "install the server, set up the domain, join workstations to domain" type model that Windows and OS X have.
[08:30] <will_> when is firefox 1.0 going to be available in ubuntu?
[08:30] <ryan> Slackman: nautilus was working fine before i dist-upgraded
[08:30] <wasabi_> Configures pam, nss, and the bunch. And kerberos.
[08:30] <daf> tim1: ok, let me know if you have any more questions
[08:30] <Slackman> ryan i have a g3 800 and its actually quite fast for me...well quick for nautilus
[08:31] <Slackman> wasabi_ hmm sounds like a good idea..would prolly save a lot of time
[08:32] <tim1> daf: there is also a page on the wiki were the german website translation is being coordinated, the just translate the texts and add them as articles to the wiki
[08:32] <wasabi_> Slackman: it's such a good idea what MS has been doing it since '95
[08:32] <wasabi_> s/what/that/
[08:32] <tim1> if i want to do the same, may i just start or do i have to do sth. else before ?
[08:32] <Chibi> multiverse is the semi-approved branch, right?
[08:33] <mdz> Chibi: no
[08:33] <Chibi> :o
[08:33] <daf> tim1: for translating the wiki, you might want to talk to the docs team
[08:33] <mdz> multiverse is the absolutely least approved set of packages
[08:33] <xukun> hi @all
[08:33] <Chibi> But isn't universe just a snapshot of debian?
[08:33] <tim1> no they are translating the website and store the texts in the wiki
[08:33] <Slackman> wasabi why not submit the idea then..
[08:34] <daf> tim1: they hang out in #ubuntu-doc
[08:34] <mdz> universe is free software packaged in Debian format, much of it from Debian
[08:34] <Chibi> Ahkay then.
[08:34] <mdz> multiverse is, well, not :-)
[08:34] <daf> tim1: off the top of my head, nobody is doing German translations at the moment
[08:34] <cardador> hello again. i have just dist-upgraded. how can i tell if i have xorg running?
[08:34] <wasabi_> is Xorg out?
[08:34] <wasabi_> in ubuntu?
[08:35] <wasabi_> I didn't think it was yet.
[08:35] <cardador> wasabi: yap
[08:35] <cardador> read topic
[08:35] <Slackman> wasabi, i have only used slack before ubuntu and it doesn't really configure anything for you so i'm kinda used to doin stuff myself
[08:35] <Chibi> <3 slackware.
[08:35] <tim1> no, actually it seems like there are two guys: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GermanDocumentsUebersetzer
[08:35] <cardador> so how can one know if he is running xorg?
[08:35] <wasabi_> there is so much in the topic
[08:35] <wasabi_> which one? :0
[08:35] <zenwhen> ehy Slackman
[08:35] <zenwhen> Hey*
[08:35] <Chibi> Slack was my first distro, and the only one I liked til ubuntu.
[08:36] <zenwhen> Im a convert from Slack as well
[08:36] <mdz> cardador: if everything goes according to plan, you don't notice anything
[08:36] <bwlang> cardador: i guess you could look at /var/log/XF...
[08:36] <Chibi> awesome :D
[08:36] <Slackman> zenwhen hey
[08:36] <Chibi> Go former-slackies
[08:36] <wasabi_> oh i see
[08:36] <martink> or run xdpyinfo |head -5
[08:36] <Slackman> :)
[08:36] <wasabi_> you can use hoary before it's released.
[08:36] <zenwhen> I switched from Slack becase Pat is stubbornly dropping Gnome from Slack.
[08:36] <Chibi> Same
[08:36] <zenwhen> I cant put up with that
[08:36] <cardador> mdz: i noticed some breaks just after restarting. but now everything normal
[08:36] <mdz> dropping GNOME in favour of what?
[08:36] <ryan> Slackman: you using xorg 6.8?
[08:36] <Chibi> Just dropping it.
[08:36] <Slackman> zenwhen...i just can't use it on PPC
[08:36] <mdz> cardador: breaks?
[08:36] <zenwhen> Im the one who asked him about it and posted that link on Dropline that got Slashdotted.
[08:37] <xukun> I,m trying to install freenx but I just two unmet dependencies, I,m a bit new so help would realy nice
[08:37] <jordi> well, just having KDE
[08:37] <Slackman> ryan on slack yeh, on ubuntu no..
[08:37] <xukun> just get ..
[08:37] <Chibi> He's leaving some gnome-less compiles, probably for xfce or something.
[08:37] <Slackman> zenwhen...dropline is so much better than the default slack gnome though..i think its a good idea
[08:37] <ryan> Slackman: i think its an issue with xorg in ubuntu somehow.
[08:37] <zenwhen> I love Ubuntu because they dont include KDE and dont oficially support it. It gives them time to fucus on the DE that I use.
[08:37] <ryan> Slackman: since before i upgraded it was fine
[08:37] <Chibi> Dropline is poo :/
[08:38] <ryan> Slackman: and i only noticed because someone on the ubuntu forums said they got the same problem
[08:38] <zenwhen> Dropline is buggy.
[08:38] <Chibi> KDE is poo. :o
[08:38] <ryan> after upgrading
[08:38] <ryan> heh
[08:38] <tim1> daf: no, actually it seems like there are two guys working on it: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GermanDocumentsUebersetzer
[08:38] <xukun> I will try to past it on #flood
[08:38] <ryan> so i posted a reply
[08:38] <zenwhen> Chibi, agreed.
[08:38] <zenwhen> kde is indeed poo
[08:38] <zenwhen> lol
[08:38] <mxpxpod> daniels: ping
[08:38] <Chibi> XFCE is Good.
[08:38] <daf> tim1: oh, right
[08:38] <Chibi> XFCE over gnome is good.
[08:38] <Slackman> Chibi...each to their own
[08:38] <zenwhen> oh
[08:39] <zenwhen> KDE is too gaudy for me.
[08:39] <ryan> Slackman: http://ryan.slipgate.org/
[08:39] <ryan> Slackman: KDE screenshots ;)
[08:39] <Chibi> Anyway, I need to reboot for kernel. :P
[08:39] <will_> hi ppl how do i create a boot disk?
[08:40] <ryan> will_: dd?
[08:40] <Slackman> ryan...nice shots :)
[08:40] <esj> is there a live CD process for ubuntu?
[08:40] <zenwhen> theres an official loivecd
[08:40] <zenwhen> livecd*
[08:40] <esj> is it possible to customize?
[08:41] <esj> zenwhen: is it possible to customize the live CD?
[08:41] <will> ryan: what is DD?
[08:42] <tim1> daf: ok so  i think i will talk to the other translators in the wiki or the mailing list first, thanks for your help
[08:42] <Rene_S> Does anyone happen to know how to get the nickserv to auto id me when I join the server using Xchat ?
[08:42] <zenwhen> esj, I dont know.
[08:42] <daf> tim1: no problem
[08:42] <zenwhen> Sorry.
[08:43] <esj> zenwhen: no big deal.  I was just looking for a bootable Linux base for building an embedded service
[08:43] <esj> I like the basic philosophy of debian but I didn't like the fact that it was moldy
[08:43] <esj> gentoo is ok but is awfully raw especially if you are handicapped like I am
[08:44] <IMSoP> will:  "dd" is a raw disk writing utility (well, that's what it's used as, anyway)
[08:44] <esj> the Gentoo community also has a bit of a technology testosterone problem
[08:44] <Pizbit> heh
[08:44] <esj> I prefer to work with humans and to be humane in return
[08:44] <unperson> Rene_S, Yes, you can edit the entry for Freenode and tell it to issue the Identify command on connect.
[08:44] <daku> i just insalled ubuntu, when i try to connect to cups on localhost:631 it says "Administrative Tasks disabled"
[08:44] <bur[n] er> esj: the livecd is based on morphix... you could do anything with the morphix base... just check out morphix.org
[08:44] <daku> now can i re enable admin for cups?
[08:44] <kolektiv> hi - has anyone managed to get a speedtouch usb working under ubuntu?
[08:45] <mirak> No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[08:45] <esj> k thanks for the pointer
[08:45] <mirak> why does the mixer say this ?
[08:45] <unperson> esj, What about debian unstable?  Or is that living a bit too dangerously?
[08:45] <bur[n] er> esj: you can use the ubuntu repositories along with the morphix base for the updated packages
[08:45] <zenwhen> Hmmm
[08:45] <esj> I have blown up more machines that I care to think of with unstable
[08:45] <Rene_S> Cool thanks for the info, hate having to remember to do it manually. Ex Lazy Windows User
[08:45] <zenwhen> Is there a way to add custom hotkeys to gnome?
[08:45] <mirak> how do I select the good scanner in xsane ?
[08:46] <esj> when your hands don't work right, it's really unpleasant to keep reinstalling
[08:46] <Dennis_k> synaptic tells me some packages are broken, how can i fix these?
[08:46] <Rene_S> Hmm, I am not gonna comment on that ....
[08:46] <unperson> esj, I'd been using debian testing, which was recent enough for my taste, but ubuntu is nice because it has a good default set of apps, great config, and easy install.
[08:46] <Slackman> unperson...debian unstable is actually quite stable :)
[08:46] <mirak> I think I will reuse ubuntu when it will be more mature
[08:47] <esj> the other hat I wear (besides advanced anti-spam system design) is of co-cto for the open source speech recognition initiative
[08:47] <LinuxJones> mirak: hwat kind of scanner do you have ?
[08:47] <mirak> LinSpider: umax
[08:47] <Rene_S> You know what Mirak for a beta Hoary for instance is almost as stable as a release version of other distro's
[08:47] <esj> I hope within a few months, we will have successfully (through wine) have speech recognition running on Linux
[08:47] <mirak> umax astra 1220s
[08:47] <mirak> scsi
[08:47] <daku> anyone?
[08:47] <unperson> Slackman, So I've heard.  But I've also heard that occasionally packages break badly, so don't use if if you don't want to deal with that, which I don't.
[08:48] <mirak> it was working on debian
[08:48] <esj> and I'm hoping that we can settle on one or two distributions for disabled people to use
[08:48] <mirak> esj: isn't tux harmless ?
[08:48] <mirak> arm
[08:48] <mirak> it's pinguin
[08:48] <mirak> :)
[08:48] <Slackman> unperson yeh true...it does do that... :) ubuntu seems good to me though..hence why i run it on my ibook instead of debian now
[08:48] <esj> mostly harmless
[08:49] <Despair> esj: hmm, I take it sphinx is insufficient? how much of a difference is there between it and the one you are running through wine?
[08:49] <Rene_S> Woot, Firefox 1 is out, nifty.  Apparently I auto installed it or my wife was messing with it
[08:49] <xukun> I realy dont understand why this is happening if try to install freenx: freenx: Depends: nxagent (>= 1.4.0-4.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: nxproxy (>= 1.4.0-4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[08:49] <esj> there's approximately a five-year and $20 million development of difference between what I use now for speech recognition and Sphinx
[08:49] <mirak> xukun: there is tons of problems like this
[08:50] <mirak> esj: try to install kde
[08:50] <esj> I currently use NaturallySpeaking which does not yet run on wine
[08:50] <mirak> you can't
[08:50] <esj> it doesn't even installed properly
[08:50] <xukun> mirak: no I dont want to install kde, it should be working for gnome too
[08:50] <RageMax> ooh
[08:51] <RageMax> xorg in hoary
[08:51] <Slackman> does kde install on ubuntu PPC yet?
[08:51] <mirak> xukun: I don't say you should install kde, I say that you can't install kde because of deps problems
[08:51] <mirak> Slackman: not for me, there is unresolved deps
[08:51] <Slackman> mirak..yeh i was getting that a few weeks ago :(
[08:51] <mirak>   kde: Dpend: kdeaddons mais ne sera pas install
[08:51] <mirak>        Dpend: kdeutils mais ne sera pas install
[08:52] <xukun> mirak: I see,
[08:52] <xukun> mirak: do you have any idea?
[08:52] <mirak> actually I wonder what ubuntu have more than debian
[08:52] <mirak> xukun: no
[08:52] <xukun> mirak: thanks
[08:52] <mirak> xukun: packages are just missing
[08:52] <xukun> mirak: yeah I got that much
[08:52] <mirak> xukun: kdepasswd is missing
[08:53] <esj> seems like all of the live CDs are derivatives of knoppix
[08:53] <mirak> maybe a manual install can do it
[08:53] <mirak> if you find it in the repository
[08:53] <Amaranth> mirak: apt-get -t warty install kdepasswed
[08:53] <Rene_S> Argg, I really have to stop watching CNN, some guy just got shot on TV.   Gonna ruin my whole day
[08:53] <Amaranth> If you're talking about issues with hoary.
[08:53] <Amaranth> That might word, anyway.
[08:54] <Challange> can u please tell me where to download bluetooth software or what to do if I need to connect my phone?
[08:54] <Amaranth> gnome-phone-manager?
[08:55] <IMSoP> apt-cache search bluetooth?
[08:55] <Amaranth> No, gnome-phone-manager actually exists. :)
[08:56] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get audio working in my videos after I did apt-get install totem-xine to get video side working?
[08:56] <bur[n] er> with gstreamer, my playback of audio worked, but not video
[08:56] <bur[n] er> with xine, video works, but no audio
[08:57] <bur[n] er> nm... i think it's because i don't have gstreamer-mad
[08:57] <daku> can some please point me to a how to on adding a windows printer
[08:57] <daku> im having a bitch of a time doing it
[08:57] <daku> i've never had an issue doing it through the cups webinterface
[08:58] <adnans> "Extracting templates from packages: 100%"
[08:58] <bur[n] er> nope... i lied, i do have gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:58] <adnans> what's this?
[08:58] <daku> but by default ubuntu disables the web admin interface for cups
[08:58] <subterrific> bur[n] er: xine doesn't use gstreamer anyway
[08:58] <Challange> root@Johny:/home/challange # apt-get install bluez-utils
[08:58] <Challange> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Erforrs ideiglenesen elrhetetlen)
[08:58] <Challange> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:58] <daku> anyone know how i can enable the admin part
[08:58] <bur[n] er> in totem, it says it's using the mad decoder for audio though?
[08:58] <daku> Challange: you need to be either root or you have another apt-get; dpkg -i process running
[08:58] <subterrific> bur[n] er: its probably because esd is blocking anything else from using your sound card
[08:59] <bur[n] er> ?
[08:59] <bur[n] er> how do i fix that?
[08:59] <subterrific> bur[n] er: killall -9 esd :)
[08:59] <Challange> as you see: root@Johny
[08:59] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox works... but that uses gstreamer
[08:59] <Challange> thnx
[08:59] <Challange> byez
[09:00] <bur[n] er> good call subterrific :)  how'd you know that?
[09:00] <subterrific> bur[n] er: yeah, and if you run gstreamer-properties you probably have audio out going through esd. i don't think xine uses esd though, not sure how to make it
[09:00] <bur[n] er> or... how would i know that?  and do i need esd for anything?
[09:00] <bur[n] er> you'r right... gstreamer is using esd
[09:00] <bur[n] er> maybe i should tell it to use alsa?
[09:00] <subterrific> bur[n] er: esd is used by gnome to play system sounds, i recommend disabling that and killing esd
[09:01] <bur[n] er> aww
[09:01] <subterrific> and switching gstreamer to use alsa
[09:01] <bur[n] er> i hate system sounds anyway
[09:01] <bur[n] er> and if i have to disable esd for my snowboard videos... so be it ;)
[09:02] <mirak> Amaranth: I am on hoary
[09:02] <xukun> can I dist-upgrade ubuntu?
[09:02] <mirak> yes
[09:02] <subterrific> bur[n] er: esd is total crap anyway, i wish ubuntu hadn't shipped it. i've seen more sound problems on ubuntu than anything else. unfortunatly there isn't anything better than esd yet
[09:02] <Amaranth> My video card is messing up with bzFlag _again_.
[09:02] <Amaranth> Last time it fixed itself when I wiped my HD.
[09:03] <bur[n] er> isn't there supposed to be a new alternative to esd and artsd in the works?
[09:03] <xukun> mirak: do I need to change the source.list, becouces it finds nothing if I do that now?
[09:03] <bur[n] er> could've sworn i just read about it
[09:03] <subterrific> bur[n] er polypaudio
[09:03] <cardador> hmm upgraded to xorg and now starting gnome and nautilus are extremely slow
[09:03] <bur[n] er> yeah, that's it
[09:03] <bur[n] er> hope it's everything promised
[09:03] <mirak> xukun: don't know
[09:03] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: with jack as the backend that would kick so much ass ;)
[09:03] <Unfun> i upgraded to xorg and now my evolution exchange email doesn't work
[09:03] <mirak> xukun: you must update before
[09:03] <xukun> mirak: I know
[09:03] <bur[n] er> i thought polypaudio was the backend?
[09:04] <bur[n] er> heh... too many sound things for me to keep track of... gstreamer, arts, esd, polypaudio, oss, alsa
[09:04] <Amaranth> its more of an interface, afaik
[09:04] <cardador> Unfun: isnt your nautilus slow?
[09:04] <bur[n] er> i thought gstreamer was supposed to be the 'interface'
[09:04] <bur[n] er> even juk in kde uses gstreamer as well as amarok
[09:05] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: low level: oss, alsa   mid level (sound servers): polypaudio (sort of), jack, artsd, esd    high level (use these when creating programs): gstreamer
[09:05] <Amaranth> :)
[09:05] <Rene_S> cardado - apt-get install gami
[09:05] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: thanks :)
[09:05] <Rene_S> that might fix the speed thing
[09:06] <Despair> Rene_S: +n?
[09:06] <Unfun> cardador no
[09:06] <trans_err> does the xorg in hoary support transparency?
[09:06] <linux_mafia> anyone using a bluetooth usb dongle, or any bluetooth for that matter on hoary?
[09:06] <bur[n] er> trans_err: if you add the line to xorg.conf
[09:06] <cardador> Rene_S: ill trry that
[09:06] <Amaranth> The perfect mix of those being polpaudio with the esd interface and jack backend running on top of alsa with all of that powering gstreamer.
[09:06] <Rene_S> +n what ?
[09:06] <trans_err> bur[n] er, what line?
[09:06] <subterrific> bur[n] er: the reason you'd want that mid-level is to do things like caching and network transparency that aren't really in the scope of gstreamer
[09:07] <linux_mafia> trans_err, Section "Extensions"  Option  "Composite"   "Enabled" EndSection
[09:07] <Amaranth> Get caught writing to /dev/dsp for sound in your program and expect to see me knocking on your door holding a baseball bat.
[09:07] <cardador> Rene_S: did you meant gamin?
[09:07] <Rene_S> Yeah
[09:08] <bur[n] er> so i could potentially play smb://server/folder/myfile.mp3 with beep-media-player without copying it over or mounting it first?
[09:08] <Rene_S> sorry forgot a n
[09:08] <cardador> Rene_S: wow thank you Rene_S, that was it!
[09:08] <schwuk> are there any skype packages for ubuntu?
[09:08] <Rene_S> Your welcome, I read that on the Forums, was confused about it all night hehe
[09:09] <subterrific> bur[n] er: more like you can pick any machine on a network and pretend that is your local sound card
[09:09] <bur[n] er> schwuk: no... just get it from debian repositories
[09:09] <cardador> Rene_S: i just read the forums but aparently missed that
[09:09] <Rene_S> Its someplace in the Hoary section
[09:09] <Rene_S> I did a search for FAM
[09:09] <Amaranth> uh oh
[09:09] <Chibi> schwuk - http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=skype&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[09:09] <subterrific> bur[n] er: similar to the way X11 lets you use a remote display, a sound server lets you use a remote audio card
[09:09] <bur[n] er> subterrific: other way around?  i think i get it... thanks
[09:10] <Amaranth> If they want to move beep-media-player into main they had better get a new default skin. :)
[09:10] <ryan> cardador: i noticed the same thign
[09:10] <bur[n] er> default beep skin kinda sucks
[09:10] <ryan> cardador: as did another person in the xorg thread on the ubuntu forums
[09:10] <Amaranth> It's this plain debian thing.
[09:11] <bur[n] er> ubuntu needs a new default PS1 too ;)
[09:12] <Amaranth> PS1?
[09:12] <IMSoP> bash prompt?
[09:12] <linux_mafia> bash prompt
[09:13] <Amaranth> What's wrong with the bash prompt?
[09:13] <xuzo> i know that xorg was released today, but is fglrx going to be update in the next hours or I have to wait several days/weeks?
[09:13] <Rene_S> Beep Media Player does'nt use the system tray ?
[09:13] <adnans> linux_mafia: I did some file transfer with bluetooth the other day
[09:14] <bur[n] er> PS1="\[\033\] \u\[\033\\] @\[\033\\] \h:\[\033\] \w\$ "
[09:14] <bur[n] er> like that Amaranth ;)
[09:14] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:14] <bur[n] er> Rene_S: nope
[09:14] <Rene_S> k
[09:14] <Amaranth> oh!
[09:14] <desp> heya
[09:14] <Rene_S> just have to be carefull, I tend to get click happy
[09:14] <Amaranth> It says debian. :)
[09:15] <desp> is there a way to have a subtitles .txt file displayed alongside a movie in Totem/Xine?
[09:15] <lt_kije> has anyone had success installing a USB2.0 pci card and getting it to work with Warty?
[09:15] <Rene_S> Cool Gxine works almost as good as Kaffeine did
[09:16] <linux_mafia> adnans, ok, just ive noticed that when my dongle is plugged in, my box starts to works hard, looking at my hw monitor, cpu usage dosen't seem to go up, but the temp goes up nearly 10 degrees, and i can hear the fan on my cpu start to wind up
[09:16] <lt_kije> i've got an el-cheapo VIA PCI USB 2.0 host controller card -- it doesn't show up in lspci
[09:16] <HelmutG> hello. i was just trying to find out differences between ubuntu and debian (advantages and disadvantages), but the about page does not seem to be complete enough. could someone tell me where to find a good article without starting a flamewar?
[09:17] <adnans> linux_mafia: no such probs here..
[09:17] <adnans> linux_mafia: can you see which processes are more active?
[09:17] <bur[n] er> HelmutG: no disadvantages whatsoever as ubuntu is the best distribution around and nothing else compares ;)
[09:17] <ryan> Rene_S: thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou! :D
[09:18] <HelmutG> bur[n] er: thanks for your incompetent answer.
[09:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> HelmutG: Ubuntu isn't as configurable, but the default configuration is really good
[09:18] <Rene_S> Try this out for a review http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8754
[09:18] <linux_mafia> adnans, hmmm, nothing out of the ordinary that i could see
[09:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> HelmutG: I've used many distros, Ubuntu is my favorite - just so easy to use
[09:18] <bur[n] er> incompetent?  just my opinion
[09:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> bur[n] er: try to give a valid response, though - it helps the community
[09:18] <HelmutG> LifesizeKenDoll: i know you can tell me a lot, but i takes your time. i therefore asked for an article.
[09:18] <bur[n] er> sorry sorry
[09:19] <bur[n] er> just seemed like an attempt at a flame
[09:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> HelmutG: ah, alright
[09:19] <HelmutG> bur[n] er: i asked for objective facts not for subjective opinions.
[09:19] <Rene_S> Ouch I popped a vien from when they took blood earlier brb, gotta clean up the mess
[09:19] <bur[n] er> something i could blog about i guess
[09:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> bur[n] er: flames != good
[09:19] <linux_mafia> LifesizeKenDoll, why in your opinion is ubuntu less configurable?
[09:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> linux_mafia: compared to Gentoo
[09:19] <linux_mafia> oh god
[09:19] <HelmutG> please do not start a flamewar.
[09:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> I have a love/hate relationship with Gentoo
[09:20] <bur[n] er> objective facts... ubuntu has better gnome packages... if you like gnome, ubuntu beats debian..   if you're a kde user, debian has newer packages than the ubuntu repositories
[09:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> used to use it
[09:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> not anymore, I like Ubuntu
[09:20] <Rene_S> Damned Doctors, makes holes in ya and forget to close em up
[09:20] <subterrific> HelmutG: the biggest difference is that Ubuntu is on a 6 month release cycle and it is based on the newest versions of gnome, the kernel, etc...
[09:20] <bur[n] er> by better... i mean... more up to date with gnome 2.8 and it has HAL/DBUS/Project Utopia integrated which works really well
[09:21] <bur[n] er> and... the kernel supports a centrino and processor scaling... so unless you want to compile your own for all of this, ubuntu works better on laptops
[09:21] <LifesizeKenDoll> the integration in Ubuntu is what I like best about it
[09:21] <subterrific> HelmutG: it's like a supported version of debian's development branch. supported by a company with deep pockets no less
[09:21] <HelmutG> hmm. it seems like i didn't make myself clear. i asked for some text document, not for a number of information. it's because a text documnet most often is better structured and i don't pollute this channel by reading it.
[09:21] <Rene_S> I have been using this about a month now, its become my favorite distro.   Things just work and I can choose the stuff I want on here without too much trouble
[09:22] <bur[n] er> no idea on a text document
[09:22] <desp> is there a way to have a subtitles .txt file displayed alongside a movie in Totem/Xine?
[09:22] <bur[n] er> seems a little too specialized for a document about it... debian comparted to ubuntu... hrm
[09:22] <subterrific> HelmutG: you were clear, but there is no document like that. we're pretty much outlined the big differences, thats it
[09:22] <Rene_S> OSD titles ?
[09:22] <adnans> linux_mafia: notebook? or desktop box?
[09:22] <HelmutG> hmm. ok.
[09:22] <linux_mafia> adnans, desktop
[09:22] <ryan> aw
[09:22] <desp> Rene_S: just plain subtitles in a different language than the audio track
[09:22] <ryan> so so much better
[09:23] <ryan> Rene_S: thanks again for the gamin suggestion
[09:23] <desp> MPlayer adds subtitles automatically
[09:23] <Rene_S> Oh, no idea.  I tend to use only english
[09:23] <HelmutG> i think i'll stick to debian/gentoo/freebsd because my way of using a system contains a lot of tuning and really no kde/gnome.
[09:23] <ryan> Rene_S: now gnome starts in about 4 seconds instead of 30+
[09:23] <Rene_S> Ryan: Np
[09:23] <linux_mafia> adnans, just plugged the thing in now
[09:23] <Rene_S> Ryan: I was stumped all night by that one
[09:23] <ryan> Rene_S: hehe
[09:23] <adnans> linux_mafia: things like gnome-bluetooth-manager tend to scan for devices, this might take up some cpu..
[09:23] <ryan> Rene_S: but i've only been experiencing the issue since i upgraded this morning..
[09:24] <lt_kije> Any ideas about installing a PCI USB2.0 host controller?
[09:24] <HelmutG> thanks for trying to answer my question. it would be nice if someone knowing at least 4 different distros could write some comparison article.
[09:24] <ryan> Rene_S: so i guess that means the problem had nothing to do with xorg
[09:24] <ryan> well no it didn't
[09:24] <Rene_S> Ryan: I did an upgrade last night and i did that
[09:24] <DeanG> Install question: I have a complete RedHat dual boot setup with grub and would like to replace Redhat w/ Ubuntu....
[09:24] <ryan> it was a different thing altogether
[09:24] <acecase> hello
[09:24] <Swifty> Anyone know how to mount a empty cdrw?
[09:24] <DeanG> ..and the partition setup, will it acquire all my current settings?
[09:24] <Rene_S> Ryan: Yeah when i ran nautilus from the terminal it had all kinds of fam errors
[09:24] <Amaranth> Swifty: You don't mount it.
[09:25] <acecase> does ubuntu have anything like gentoo's rc-update?
[09:25] <ryan> Rene_S: time to edit my forum post...again hehe
[09:25] <linux_mafia> adnans, you only need to run that once to set up devices and pairs, and i dont have the gnome-obex-server running, 30 secs after plugin, box is heating up ;)
[09:25] <Swifty> Amaranth: k3b does't find my burner
[09:25] <LinuxJones> acecase: update-rc.d
[09:25] <acecase> LinuxJones, thank you
[09:25] <Amaranth> Swifty: Then it isn't setup in the kernel correctly, that isn't because it isn't mounted.
[09:25] <yann__> what is the "standard" update procedure for ubuntu? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:25] <Amaranth> Swifty: If it was mounted k3b couldn't use it.
[09:26] <Amaranth> yann__: Always upgrade before dist-upgrade
[09:26] <LinuxJones> yann__: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:26] <Amaranth> That's the Debian Way(tm) anyway.
[09:26] <subterrific> Swifty: have you tried doing gksudo k3b ?
[09:26] <bur[n] er> Swifty: if you format it to a udf first, you can mount it
[09:26] <bur[n] er> how to format to udf.. i have no idea ;)
[09:26] <subterrific> some people can't burn without being superuser, its a bug introduced in 2.6.8 kernel
[09:27] <Rene_S> I find the going to Isle of Man and asking Mr. Shuttleworth for a new CD is a good way to upgrade :)
[09:27] <yann__> where is the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade?
[09:27] <bur[n] er> yann__: dist- gets dependencies as well
[09:27] <acecase> LinuxJones, I'm getting "command not found" so i assume its a script outside my path. where is it?
[09:27] <bur[n] er> er... 'new' dependencies
[09:27] <yann__> thx
[09:27] <linux_mafia> subterrific, thats the one, i use k3b, cant do it as user with 2.6.8.x
[09:27] <LinuxJones> acase, you need to sudo -s first
[09:28] <will> how do i create a bootable floppy for ubuntu?
[09:28] <Rene_S> Beep Media player is nice.  Although the default skin does blow
[09:28] <Chibi> Why do you need one, Will?
[09:29] <will> my laptop cant boot of cd!
[09:29] <Chibi> Is it a Compaq?
[09:29] <bur[n] er> Rene_S: www.winamp.com/skins
[09:29] <will> no a toshiba tecra 8000! its a piece of history
[09:29] <bur[n] er> :)
[09:29] <DeanG> can someone point me to doc's for replacing an existing linux install, and the implications to the partition setup?
[09:29] <LinuxJones> will: look to the man page for mkboot
[09:30] <Chibi> I'm doing the same with a Compaq Armada 5300, will- Here's what I can tell ya.
[09:30] <Rene_S> Cool all i gotta know now is how to get the person's name i wanna message too to come up in Red hehe
[09:30] <will> chibi: go on
[09:30] <DeanG> I don't care about wiping out RedHat partitions, but don't want to lose grub setup and windows partition.
[09:30] <linux_mafia> will, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[09:30] <Chibi> Get Debian sarge floppies, and install debian base
[09:30] <acecase> LinuxJones, thanks but still not there. is it part of a package i should install? apt-file didnt return anything on it
[09:30] <will> Linuxjones: hi dude hope everythigs good 4 ya
[09:30] <bur[n] er> DeanG: you won't
[09:31] <DeanG> thanks bur[n] er
[09:31] <Chibi> You'll have a lot of trouble if it's not on a network
[09:31] <bur[n] er> DeanG: a new grub will be installed when you install ubuntu though
[09:31] <acecase> also did updatedb and locate updaterc.d and couldn't find it
[09:31] <mukman> hey sup
[09:31] <LinuxJones> acecase: it's installed by default
[09:32] <acecase> hmm
[09:32] <Rene_S> Anyone know a decent file sharing program other than Limewire ?
[09:32] <Rene_S> Trying to avoid Apollon for now
[09:32] <mukman> Rene_S azureus
[09:32] <mukman> torrent away!
[09:32] <LinuxJones> acecase:  it's update-rc.d
[09:32] <lt_kije> could anyone help me get my USB2.0 pci card working?
[09:33] <acecase> LinuxJones, im sorry man it's there. i was trying updaterc.d, shoulda looked back up sooner. thanks man
[09:33] <LinuxJones> acecase: :)
[09:33] <subterrific> Rene_S: mldonkey, bit of a weird interface though
[09:33] <Rene_S> I find all the Donkey apps odd
[09:34] <subterrific> Rene_S: yeah, its a bunch of crazy germans making that stuff
[09:34] <linux_mafia> acecase, you shouldnt use update-rc.d like that, the command should only be called by scripts
[09:34] <Rene_S> Im German and I cant understand there logic hehe
[09:34] <ryan> heh yeah
[09:34] <subterrific> Rene_S: the edonkey network is the best though :\
[09:34] <ryan> donkey stuff is weird
[09:34] <ryan> and the guis are slow as donkey poo
[09:35] <noorg> hi there.
[09:35] <Chibi> Hah
[09:35] <Chibi> edonkey
[09:35] <Chibi> I've never finished a file download on there.
[09:35] <subterrific> why you'd writing something like mldonkey in OCAML is beyond me
[09:35] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia: I have been using update-rc.d for 4 years :)
[09:35] <subterrific> write
[09:36] <Rene_S> I like Apollon alot but its a KDE app not sure if I wanna install the libs and devs just for one app
[09:36] <subterrific> Rene_S: Apollon is just a front end for giFT, there are gtk front-ends also
[09:36] <Chibi> apollon is worth it.
[09:37] <Rene_S> Oh cool ill look into the front ends
[09:37] <Chibi> GTK giFT ui's all run like crap.
[09:37] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, you can, but you shouldn't really, it was designed to be called by the postinst or prerm scripts, if you update a package you have removed links for, they will be reinstalled
[09:37] <subterrific> personally i think giFT runs like crap
[09:37] <noorg> can someone pls help a linuxnoob? i have a little problem with my mouse...
[09:37] <acecase> linux_mafia, thanks for the advice. i have to catch sons buss. can i holler at you in a sec?
[09:37] <Chibi> giFT runs awsome. :/
[09:37] <linux_mafia> ok
[09:37] <Chibi> It's the interfaces holding it back.
[09:37] <Rene_S> I find gift to run well for me
[09:38] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia: what is the alternative ?
[09:38] <Chibi> If you show me something else on Unix that can use FastTrack, that runs as good as giFT, I shall praise you.
[09:39] <subterrific> Chibi: i helped create the most popular gift front-end, i know a bit about how it works and it has some major issues
[09:39] <Chibi> apollon? :P
[09:39] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I was wondering how I can change my apt sources to hoary(sp?) so I can download the official x.org release :D
[09:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: easy
[09:39] <subterrific> Chibi: Poisoned, its the most popular file sharing app for the mac. it's been on techtv and shit
[09:40] <Chibi> Oh? :o
[09:40] <Rene_S> I almost don't care what I end up using as long as I can get my Slayer tunes to listen while i work i am happy :)
[09:40] <desp> so, has anyone successfully installed mplayer-g4 on Ubuntu Warty on a PPC?!
[09:40] <Mojo_Jojo> if its easy how do I do it :P
[09:40] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, sysv-rc-conf, rcconf, manually remove startup links from default runlevel (/etc/rc2.d) iirc
[09:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: `sed 's/warty/hoary/' /etc/apt/sources.list |sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list`
[09:40] <desp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1350
[09:40] <desp> this guy ended up using VLC
[09:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:41] <subterrific> Chibi: there isn't anything better than gift. the edonkey network is a lot bigger than the fasttrack network and it has fewer technical problems, no spoofing of tracks by the RIAA for example
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> ok thank you again LifesizeKenDoll :D well this change be permanet(sp?)
[09:41] <acecase> LinuxJones linux_mafia, Sorry had to catch the buss :) so I'm seeing that it can be used its just SOP to hand edit the startup scripts rite?
[09:41] <Chibi> It just runs slow for me.. And I haven't been able to find a good frontend for it. :/
[09:42] <Mojo_Jojo> deb command not found
[09:42] <linux_mafia> acecase, SOP?
[09:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: yes it will be (permanent)
[09:42] <bur[n] er> subterrific: the riaa still patrols edonkey networks
[09:42] <subterrific> Chibi: the problem is that both gift and mldonkey are crappy :( one does some things better than the other and visa versa, but they both fall way short of being good
[09:42] <acecase> linux_mafia, SOP standard operating procedure
[09:42] <Rene_S> Well for me the RIAA isn't a problem, our Supreme Court held that downloading wasnt illegal due to tarrifs on the media, however uploading was.
[09:42] <bur[n] er> Azureus works well ;)
[09:42] <Chibi> Torrents run terrific.
[09:42] <subterrific> bur[n] er: but they aren't able to spoof tracks on edonkey. fasttrack uses a stupid hashing scheme so the riaa is able to corrupt downloads
[09:43] <bur[n] er> still wish there was a gtk front-end for torrents
[09:43] <linux_mafia> acecase, yes, or use sysv-rc-conf or rcconf
[09:43] <Chibi> But we have no unified network for torrents. :/
[09:43] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia: rcconf is just a front-end to update-rc.d isn't it ?
[09:43] <ryan> i wish ctorrent was in ubuntu :p
[09:43] <bur[n] er> Chibi: this is true... but there are definately major sites
[09:43] <subterrific> bur[n] er: there is, azureus is gtk and really really well done. best java app ever
[09:43] <ryan> mind you building and installing the single binary isn't a problem
[09:43] <Mojo_Jojo> ok well I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers? via synaptic again?
[09:43] <bur[n] er> ctorrent is all curses
[09:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: naw, you'll be quite alright
[09:43] <Chibi> I'm going to need a lot of curses stuff for my laptop
[09:43] <ryan> its not even curses i don't think
[09:43] <bur[n] er> azureus just runs so slow... i agree with best java app ever... but still slow
[09:44] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, yes correct, i was just about to say that ;) yeah so manual, or sysv-rc-conf
[09:44] <Mojo_Jojo> sweet :)
[09:44] <Chibi> It only has 30 megs of ram, no way in hell I'm getting X running on that thing.
[09:44] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia: :)
[09:44] <subterrific> Rene_S: you'll still get corrupted tracks using FastTrack with mutlisourced downloading.
[09:44] <Mojo_Jojo> today is a good day :D:D:D
[09:44] <airmikey> trying to load glib and gtk....i need c compiler
[09:44] <linux_mafia> whats wrong with x/a mule for edonkey network? thats what i use, you guys dont like it?
[09:44] <Mojo_Jojo> this might also fix my gaming problem too yay:D
[09:44] <subterrific> Rene_S: haven't you ever downloaded a track that sounded fine for a few seconds and then just turned into random noise?
[09:44] <Rene_S> Yeah that much i knew, wife gets a lot of em from Kazaa
[09:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> airmikey: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:45] <Chibi> ryan - http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=ctorrent&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[09:45] <adnans> linux_mafia: out of idea's sorry.. I'm using built-in bluetooth card
[09:45] <subterrific> Rene_S: yup, that doesn't happen on edonkey network, unless someone is sharing bad files from kazaa
[09:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: today is a fantastic day as long as you see it that way
[09:45] <airmikey> what ?
[09:45] <linux_mafia> adnans, on hoary right
[09:45] <Rene_S> Cool, I look into a Donkey app and see how i Like it
[09:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> airmikey: that's how to get a c compiler and other essential building stuff
[09:46] <Mojo_Jojo> LifesizeKenDoll, true true :)
[09:46] <ryan> oh
[09:46] <ryan> pssh
[09:46] <ryan> Chibi: well aren't we mr. helpful pants!
[09:46] <ryan> Chibi: hehe thanks
[09:46] <Mojo_Jojo> does anyone here have an A+ cert?
[09:46] <acecase> thanks LinuxJones, linux_mafia. i gotta either feed this kid or shoot him so i'll see yah later :)
[09:46] <linux_mafia> later bro
[09:46] <airmikey> do i type that in the terminal
[09:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: not yet - working on it
[09:46] <Chibi> I thought I wrote this site into the wiki the other day. :P
[09:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> airmikey: yes
[09:46] <LinuxJones> acecase: cya :)
[09:46] <Rene_S> A+ no MOUS yes
[09:47] <Mojo_Jojo> icic I have an A+ exam this friday(school not actual)
[09:47] <Mojo_Jojo> MOUS???
[09:47] <Rene_S> MS Office User Specialist
[09:47] <Mojo_Jojo> ahh icic
[09:47] <Mojo_Jojo> we need a OOoUS :D
[09:47] <Chibi> Who manages the menu arangement? :/
[09:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> lol
[09:47] <Rene_S> Hehe
[09:48] <linux_mafia> so can you write a macro that makes a letter head with that MOUS qual?
[09:48] <Rene_S> Sooner I am sure there will be Staroffice Speialists
[09:48] <Rene_S> Yeah something like that
[09:48] <Rene_S> hehe
[09:48] <Mojo_Jojo> one day there well
[09:48] <mdz> Chibi: the desktop team
[09:48] <Rene_S> I ended up teaching it to others,
[09:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: it's 'will' not 'well'
[09:48] <Chibi> It's uncomfortable. :/
[09:48] <Rene_S> Used to work for an Employement agency
[09:49] <Mojo_Jojo> oops...I also make mistakes like that :(
[09:49] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks for pointing it out :D
[09:49] <Chibi> They need a link to the gnome settings manager in there instead.
[09:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: np
[09:49] <Chibi> x_x
[09:50] <Mojo_Jojo> can bad ram cause an install to stop half-way through?
[09:50] <daniels> mdz: the problem was something like this -- libraries moved from (e.g.) xlibs-static-dev to libxkbfile-dev, so libxkbfile-dev conflicted/replaced xlibs-static-dev << 6.8.1-0.4
[09:50] <daniels> mdz: and xbase-clients depended on libxkbfile1
[09:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: yes it can
[09:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: bad RAM is very bad
[09:51] <daniels> mdz: so the whole-upgrade scenario, if you had xlibs-static-dev installed, was to install xbase-clients, libxkbfile1, libxkbfile-dev, and xlibs-static-dev, from xorg
[09:51] <daniels> mdz: only problem is that I was planning for us to go with -1, and we later changed that to -0ubuntu1
[09:51] <Mojo_Jojo> humm whats the minimum(sp?) required for ubuntu?? currently I only have 98Mb :(
[09:51] <ryan> holy crikey
[09:51] <airmikey> yo  lifesize:  thx a lot
[09:51] <ryan> xcompmgr makes xorg run sloooow hehe
[09:51] <adnans> linux_mafia: yes
[09:51] <ryan> its eating up 30% cpu
[09:51] <daniels> mdz: now, -0ubuntu1 is << -0.4, so you thus had an impossible upgrade scenario if you previously had xlibs-static-dev installed
[09:51] <mdz> daniels: aha
[09:52] <Chibi> ryan- hardware acceleration on?
[09:52] <ryan> yeah
[09:52] <daniels> mdz: so I uploaded shortly after bumping the version to -1ubuntu1 and changing the c/r to << -0ubuntu1, to be doubly sure
[09:52] <subterrific> ryan: not with nvidia drivers
[09:52] <adnans> ryan: xcompmgr is only useful if you have nvidia hardware and have renderaccel on..
[09:52] <Chibi> Yeah.
[09:52] <ryan> i HAVE nvidia hardware
[09:52] <ryan> gf4 ti 4200
[09:52] <gwildor_> get loud
[09:52] <Chibi> o_O
[09:52] <ryan> and i'm using the nvidia drivers ;)
[09:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> ryan: xcompmgr is neat - but not that useful
[09:52] <subterrific> ryan: then you don't have RenderAccel on
[09:52] <Chibi> Are you SURE you have hardware accel on?
[09:52] <mdz> Chibi: the gnome settings manager is the double-pane view of all the settings capplets?
[09:52] <cypher-> daniels, "If you get errors about -dev packages, wait two hours, or just remove all the dev packages it wants you to. New fixed version uploaded."
[09:52] <ryan> i get 3500fps in glxgears
[09:52] <Rene_S> Cool, my local Walmart is looking for a 1 hour photo guy, I should apply
[09:52] <cypher-> has that passed then ?
[09:52] <mdz> Chibi: if so, there were convincing arguments for not doing that, but feel free to raise it on ubuntu-devel@
[09:53] <Zimpee> i cannot use cedega 4.01, says cannot install libpng3 ('cos of depencies), but it is a requirement. Why?
[09:53] <ryan> Rene_S: heh my friend worked there
[09:53] <adnans> on the other hand lots of things in xcompmgr are still done in software so..
[09:53] <Chibi> mdz - It's the program that just acts as a launcher for all other settings apps.
[09:53] <ryan> Rene_S: drove him nuts apparently; he quit, now he works at an independant photo place
[09:53] <Rene_S> There are some hot women who work at mine
[09:53] <mdz> Chibi: yes, I think we're talking about the same thing
[09:53] <cypher-> Zimpee, libpng3 is in the hoary depositary
[09:53] <LifesizeKenDoll> Zimpee: just search for libpng3 deb on google or whatever
[09:53] <daniels> cypher-: yes, it's safe to upgrade now
[09:53] <CoryK> /dev/hda3       /music          ext3    umask=002,user  0       2
[09:53] <CoryK> grrr
[09:53] <Chibi> It's comfy, because it doesn't close while you're trying to manage multiple settings.
[09:54] <cypher-> thanks daniels
[09:54] <daniels> adnans: a large part of the problem is that when you use compositing, you are guaranteed to hit the slowest path through XAA
[09:54] <daniels> adnans: which sucks
[09:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> cypher-: I don't recommend recommending people to switch to Hoary - it's not _that_ stable
[09:54] <Rene_S> I was hoping for a local photrapher ot need an assistant
[09:54] <adnans> daniels: ah
[09:54] <cypher-> lifesizekendoll, but they can grap the package out the depositary and then remove hoary from the list right ?
[09:55] <adnans> daniels: I'm really excited about the Xgl stuff :)
[09:55] <CoryK> if i want to mount /dev/hda3 on /media so that anyone can access it, do i use umask=002 as an option?
[09:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> cypher-: no, because sometimes it will get unstable dependencies and make things not work
[09:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> CoryK: what kind of mount is it?
[09:55] <cypher-> ok i'll remember that next time i do it
[09:55] <CoryK> ext3...
[09:56] <d4mi4n> hi
[09:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> CoryK: you probably then just want to chmod the files
[09:56] <ryan> subterrific: its an option that goes in the nvidia driver section right?
[09:56] <Rene_S> Hmm I know the lady who works at an Idependant place maybe she can put in a good word for me
[09:56] <Chibi> Yes, RenderAccel = True.
[09:56] <Rene_S> after all she borrows all my lenses
[09:56] <Chibi> Something along those lines.
[09:56] <thoreauputic> aha
[09:57] <d4mi4n> hi DanielSeuffert
[09:57] <ryan>         Option          "RenderAccel" "True"
[09:57] <ryan> i believe thats it
[09:57] <DanielSeuffert> hi d4mi4n ;)
[09:58] <Mojo_Jojo> ryan, does that work in xorg also or just xfree86?
[09:58] <CoryK> half a second too slow
[09:58] <daniels> Mojo_Jojo: xorg only
[09:58] <Mojo_Jojo> ok :)
[09:59] <CoryK> LifesizeKenDoll: chown users:users /music?
[09:59] <daniels> hope the internet cafe doesn't mind me dist-upgrading on their link
[09:59] <ryan> whoaaa
[09:59] <CoryK> i want to be able to read/write form the partition with either of the 2 users i user
[09:59] <ryan> mmmm
[09:59] <ryan> no garbage :D
[10:00] <DanielSeuffert> hi _markus
[10:00] <cardador> ryan: what did you do for that? that renderaccel thing?
[10:00] <_markus> hi DanielSeuffert :)
[10:00] <ryan> renderaccel + xcompmgr
[10:00] <d4mi4n> cu
[10:00] <d4mi4n> alle
[10:03] <CoryK> hmmm why do i have a gnome-terminal open at home:|
[10:04] <q2> someone trying to hack yoU!
[10:04] <CoryK> nah i probably just left it open
[10:05] <Zimpee> i have install libpng-1.2.7, but is says there is no libpng installed. Did I install a wrong package? thought it contains libpng3
[10:05] <stifler> send me a some pictures of naked woman.
[10:05] <q2> www.kindgirls.com
[10:06] <Rene_S> Damned Army has released the Linux ver. of America's Army yet .....
[10:06] <Rene_S> hasnt
[10:07] <q2> ya!
[10:07] <q2> I would like that
[10:07] <skullbocks> hi
[10:07] <nintendo> what the heck is ubuntu?
[10:07] <cardador> ryan: where did you get xcompmgr from?
[10:07] <nintendo> sounds to me like a german word "klickibunti"
[10:07] <stifler> FUCK YOU ALL MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!
[10:07] <stifler> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:08] <Rene_S> hahahha to you too
[10:08] <Zimpee> done. bye
[10:08] <oddabe19> daniels, would that new xbase-clients package work now?
[10:08] <daniels> oddabe19: yeah
[10:08] <oddabe19> thannks
[10:08] <daniels> no worries
[10:10] <RuffianSoldier> hey daniels, why you kick q2?
[10:10] <RuffianSoldier> i didnt see him do anything
[10:10] <nintendo> RuffianSoldier, he wasn't l33t enuff ;)
[10:11] <daniels> RuffianSoldier: 13:05 < q2> www.kindgirls.com
[10:11] <daniels> RuffianSoldier: that's a porn site
[10:11] <nintendo> his l33tsp4ak-gr4mm4RR suX0Red ;-)
[10:11] <SS5User`> Is there anyway to install ubuntu from hd?
[10:11] <Rene_S> hmmm good thing i didnt post my Free Sheep site then heheheh
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> stifler: send me a some pictures of naked woman.
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> i think he was responding to stifler
[10:12] <ryan> mmm
[10:12] <cardador> ryan: where did you get xcompmgr from?
[10:12] <adnans> ah, xorg..
[10:13] <adnans> had to manually redirect /etc/X11/X link though
[10:13] <daniels> adnans: hm, that shouldn't happen
[10:13] <adnans> daniels: it was still pointing to XFree86
[10:14] <ryan> CoryK: freedesktop.org
[10:14] <daniels> adnans: whoa
[10:14] <daniels> bong
[10:14] <ryan> oops
[10:14] <cardador> ryan: that cardador :)
[10:14] <cardador> thats*
[10:14] <ryan> cardador: freedesktop.org
[10:14] <ryan> hehe
[10:14] <ryan> cardador: nickcomplete ;)
[10:14] <adnans> daniels: other than that things seems to work well
[10:14] <ryan> cardador: you'll have to build it yourself thouhg
[10:14] <ryan> i got the latest, 1.1.1 verison
[10:14] <cardador> oh :(
[10:15] <ryan> and after a tussle i managed to get all the dev packages it wanted install
[10:15] <ryan> ed
[10:15] <cardador> for shadown and transparency i need xcompmgr?
[10:15] <ryan> and ofcourse the libs come with the dev packages when you install the dev packages first ;)
[10:15] <ryan> libxcomposite-dev libxdamage-dev and libxrender-dev i believe
[10:15] <ryan> yes
[10:15] <ryan> i just got it to speed up the display
[10:16] <ryan> but i just turned on shadows to see what the fuss was about and its pretty neat
[10:16] <daniels> adnans: weird, that should get automagically migrated
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> on the ubuntu CD shipping thing
[10:16] <ryan> albeit a little slow
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> is there a way to get live CDs?
[10:16] <grammoux> HELP ! in french if possible...
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> and is there a way to register without actually requesting CDs?  (i.e. if I set all 3 CD requests to 0 will it cause you any problems)
[10:17] <adnans> daniels: I did compile Xorg CVS earlier and fiddled with the link
[10:17] <adnans> daniels: it was pointing to /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86
[10:17] <grammoux> HI, I am new and I want to learn the shell command..
[10:18] <daniels> adnans: ah -- if you fiddle with the link, it will respect your preference and leave it alone
[10:18] <adnans> daniels: oki :)
[10:18] <adnans> daniels: sorry for the scare ;)
[10:18] <daniels> no worries, heh
[10:18] <ryan> haha
[10:19] <ryan> use the autoscroll in firefox with xcompmgr enabled
[10:19] <gwildor_> is it ugly?
[10:20] <daniels> gwildor_: no, but verrrrry sloooooow
[10:22] <wasabi_> How do you change your language from british to english or something?
[10:22] <wasabi_> I have "colour" and "centred" all over.
[10:22] <Despair> hmm, some slight problems with xorg on amd64: Xcomposite.h is in both libxext-dev & libxcomposite-dev.
[10:22] <ryan> gwildor_: heh it leaves the little autoscroll indicator as garbage as you scroll up and down, not really slow
[10:23] <ryan> daniels: its not _that_ slow, only if you turn on the fade windows in function ;)
[10:23] <oddabe19> daniels, works great... THANKS For your help
[10:24] <webmaven_> Can anyone here walk me through setting up Evolution to talk to exchange?
[10:24] <Despair> woo, more conflicts than that. lots in libxdamage-dev & libxfixes-dev, too
[10:25] <cardador> Despair: i got rid of all that dev files
[10:25] <Hikaru79> For the new Firefox that just came out today, should I uninstall the release that came with Ubuntu first, or will the installer automatically 'upgrade' the current package?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> wasabi_: haha  British to English?
[10:26] <wasabi_> yeah
[10:26] <DanielSeuffert> Hikaru79: it would be better to uninstall...
[10:26] <daniels> oddabe19: no worries -- enjoy it :)
[10:26] <wasabi_> all of my things say "colour" and "centred"
[10:26] <Hikaru79> OK, thanks Daniel =)
[10:26] <wasabi_> Gnome on Debian said Color and Centered for me. ;)
[10:26] <thoreauputic> wasabi_: English to 'merkin, perhaps?
[10:26] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[10:26] <wasabi_> Whatever.
[10:26] <wasabi_> Fog to Yank.
[10:26] <DanielSeuffert> Hikaru79: np, update feature is new in 1.0 ;)
[10:26] <daniels> Despair: libxext-dev???
[10:27] <Despair> daniels: yep.
[10:27] <Hikaru79> So I should remove the mozilla-firefox package, right?
[10:27] <Chibi> Yes,
[10:27] <DanielSeuffert> Hikaru79: yes
[10:27] <Hikaru79> OK
[10:27] <Despair> daniels: it's a dependency, it's quite unhappy if I remove it, too. :)
[10:27] <webmaven_> So, no-one here can help me set up Evolution to talk to Exchange?
[10:27] <Hikaru79> If I don't do a complete removal (just a normal removal) will I be able to import all the old preferences into the new Firefox once I install it?
[10:28] <daniels> Despair: correct you are
[10:28] <Chibi> Yes.
[10:28] <shampoo> is evolution able to show the threading in the headers view ?
[10:28] <Chibi> The settings will remain, Hikaru
[10:28] <Hikaru79> Thanks, Chibi :)
[10:28] <Hikaru79> But not plugins, right? =/
[10:28] <Chibi> Make sure you uninstall your plugins first, though
[10:28] <daniels> Despair: good catch -- thanks.  in the meantime, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libx{composite,damage,fixes}-dev_6.8.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:28] <Chibi> Or you'll have hellish ammounts of error.
[10:28] <wasabi_> Yeah libext3 in hoary has files conflicting with at least composite.
[10:28] <DanielSeuffert> shampoo: should do so
[10:29] <wasabi_> I just hit that too.
[10:29] <wasabi_> hi DanielS. ;)
[10:29] <Despair> daniels: I just whacked it with --force-overwrite, since it's just headers.
[10:29] <daniels> wasabi_: yo
[10:29] <daniels> Despair: yah, and they're the exact same headers at that
[10:29] <shampoo> DanielSeuffert any ideas how ?
[10:30] <shampoo> DanielSeuffert I can get it to group same subjects together.. not not in a threaded view
[10:30] <wasabi_> where is xcomposite.pc at?
[10:30] <wasabi_> not in libxcomposite-dev that I can see.
[10:31] <DanielSeuffert> shampoo: a quick google search will help ;)
[10:31] <wasabi_> eh it is.
[10:31] <wasabi_> pkgconfig path messed up. sorry to bug. ;)
[10:31] <skullbocks> some have an ATI video card ?
[10:32] <Hikaru79> Do I run firefox-installer of firefox-installer.bin? *blush*
[10:32] <Hikaru79> Err, *firefox-installer-bin
[10:33] <ryan> *cough*
[10:33] <ryan> i angered the xcomposite gods :x
[10:33] <Chibi> Woah.
[10:33] <ryan> and i did it without having sshd installed, too
[10:33] <Chibi> Rawkin.
[10:33] <ryan> ewps
[10:33] <ryan> hehe
[10:33] <Chibi> Firefox google. :o
[10:33] <ryan> huh?
[10:34] <Chibi> http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[10:34] <ryan> hey cool
[10:34] <ryan> is that the new homepage?
[10:34] <Chibi> Yeah
[10:34] <wasabi_> Think the xorg install process should migrate /etc/X11 to /etc/xorg?
[10:34] <ryan> neat
[10:34] <ryan> hehe
[10:35] <eim> Anyone in here is using free-java-sdk as a Java development platform?
[10:35] <ryan> Chibi: i just "backported" a new ff 1.0 feature ;)
[10:35] <Chibi> Oh?
[10:35] <ryan> yeah, now my ff 1.0rc1 release has the new startpage when it starts ;)
[10:36] <Chibi> Hehe.
[10:36] <jason_> has anybody done a dist-upgrade on hoary lately?
[10:36] <ryan> hmph
[10:37] <ryan> now autoscroll doesn't leave garbage
[10:37] <ben_> hi
[10:37] <ryan> damn things fixing themselves
[10:37] <ben_> what's a good app to listen to music streams?
[10:37] <Chibi> beep
[10:37] <jason_> rhythmbox
[10:37] <jdz`> rythembox
[10:37] <ben_> better than xmms?
[10:37] <jdz`> eh, pardon my bad spelling :)
[10:37] <jason_> absolutley
[10:37] <Chibi> Rhythmbox craps out on alot of streams. :/
[10:38] <jdz`> Hm :(  file bugs!
[10:38] <ben_> Chibi: what do u use?
[10:38] <ryan> We are currently working on the next X.Org Foundation release, which has not yet been scheduled, but hope for earl 2005.
[10:38] <Chibi> beep media player.
[10:38] <ryan> i wonder if the next xorg will make it into hoary ;)
[10:38] <Mojo_Jojo> umm, I can't boot ubuntu now :( I get an "Error 15: File not found" that happens right when a kernel loads I cant even uses the recovery kernel :(
[10:39] <wasabi_> Trying to start xcompmgr, but it's saying no composite extension. The Xorg log file says initializing extension COMPOSITE.
[10:39] <wasabi_> Am i missing something simple? :)
[10:40] <thoreauputic> wasabi_: there's some stuff here: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=379
[10:40] <ben_> Chibi, is beep light weight?
[10:41] <Chibi> beep is just xmms in GTK2
[10:41] <fsmw> where can i get xorg for ubuntu? is there a special source?
[10:41] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone?
[10:41] <Chibi> With a better menu
[10:41] <ben_> Chibi, oh
[10:41] <Chibi> It's arranged to be a lot more comfy. :o
[10:41] <ben_> ok, lol
[10:42] <lemsx1_> Chibi, it has support for id3tab a lot better than xmms does
[10:42] <Chibi> Yes, that too
[10:42] <lemsx1_> Chibi, for editing id3 tags that is :-)
[10:42] <Chibi> It's overall better.
[10:42] <ben_> k
[10:42] <lemsx1_> Chibi, and the themes from winamp classic just work (drag and drop)
[10:42] <Chibi> The older versions are a bit crash prone, I suggest getting the one from hoary.
[10:42] <skullbocks> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". -> what does that means ?
[10:43] <daniels> you haven't got DRI enabled
[10:43] <lemsx1_> skullbocks, and usually an error that you can simply ignore (for most nvidia cards)
[10:43] <skullbocks> DanielS how I enable it ?
[10:43] <cardador> skullbocks: what were you trying to do?
[10:44] <skullbocks> install ati drivers
[10:44] <daniels> wasabi: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enable"\nEndSection
[10:44] <cardador> daniels: the renderaccel option is set to "On" or "True"?
[10:44] <ben_> wonderful, i tried to use rythmbox and it crashed trying to listen to a radio station
[10:44] <ben_> :(
[10:44] <Chibi> Rhythmbox has a long way to go.
[10:44] <daniels> cardador: you shouldn't need to specify either -- just Option "RenderAccel"
[10:45] <cardador> daniels: thanks!
[10:45] <Drago> can anyone help me get my scanner working in ubuntu? it's usb and supported by sane.
[10:45] <Chibi> It crashes when I try to import my heavily structured music directory.
[10:45] <Drago> but sane doesn't find it.
[10:45] <Chibi> It'll get through about 10 folders, then crap out.
[10:46] <cardador> Chibi: probably some jpg file in there. happened to me.
[10:46] <Chibi> Lots of jpeds, cardador.
[10:46] <Chibi> Each song has an individual folder with images and track information. :P
[10:46] <adnans> PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig/ ./configure
[10:47] <lemsx1_> Chibi, rythmbox is definitely the crappiest :-)
[10:47] <gwildor_> chibi, each song?, you spent a lot of time on that
[10:47] <Chibi> I love rhythmbox, don't get me wrong. It's a great program.
[10:47] <cardador> Chibi: i use beep media player because of that rythmbox bug
[10:47] <Chibi> But until it can read through my music directory successfully, Beep is my top player.
[10:47] <lemsx1_> Chibi, me too... i like the iTunes wannabe concept... but gstreamer and the program itself are too buggy right now
[10:48] <ryan> okay whew
[10:48] <ryan> q3a still works with xcompmgr running
[10:48] <Drago> anyone.
[10:48] <gwildor_> ryan, you still messing with xorg stuff?
[10:48] <ryan> lemsx1_: rhythmbox?
[10:48] <Drago> ?
[10:48] <ryan> gwildor_: yeah
[10:48] <gwildor_> ryan, gonna help me set it up later?
[10:48] <lemsx1_> Chibi, fixing that bug in rythmbox should be simple :-) (IMHO)... but, i didn't like the fact that rythmbox is maintained with something other than cvs ;-)
[10:48] <ryan> help you set it up?
[10:49] <jason_> OMG gnome is insanely slow and unresponsive since I last did a dist-upgrade a few minutes ago
[10:49] <ryan> where do you need help?
[10:49] <ryan> heh
[10:49] <gwildor_> ryan, help me if I have any issues?
[10:49] <ryan> jason_: apt-get install gamin
[10:49] <ryan> jason_: and it'll be magically fixed.
[10:49] <jason_> k
[10:49] <ryan> i hope
[10:49] <ryan> hehe
[10:49] <cardador> jason_: yap,  it solve the problem for me
[10:49] <ryan> i fyou're talking about nautilus
[10:49] <ryan> and certain thigns
[10:49] <ryan> it works
[10:49] <Chibi> Dragor- I'd love to help, but as far as printing and scanning goes, you're better off with windows. :/
[10:49] <Matt|> how nice is it to come home and find xorg waiting for me
[10:49] <ryan> i like rhythmbox
[10:49] <gwildor_> ryan, I am a newb, so I guess I need help evereywhere, but ill try my best,
[10:50] <Matt|> is there anything I should know before updating?
[10:50] <ryan> i just dislike the current state of gstreamer
[10:50] <jason_> holycrap thanks ryan it worked
[10:50] <adnans> gotta love xcompmgr -a
[10:50] <gwildor_> ryan, when I say newb, I mean new to linux, not that im an idiot
[10:50] <Drago> I know it has to be something simple that I'm missing
[10:50] <kro> How can I use cdrecord from the commandline with ubuntu?
[10:50] <Matt|> adnans, is it working ok?
[10:50] <ryan> don't thank me, thank someone else that was in here earlier and saved _my_ ass ;)
[10:50] <Drago> because if I throw knoppix in it works right off the cd.
[10:50] <Drago> and the ubuntu kernel has all that usb support in it right?
[10:50] <adnans> Matt: yep, no fancy effects, but it completely eliminates expose events when dragging windows around..
[10:51] <will> how do i get the new version of firefox onto ubuntu?
[10:51] <kro> For intance, how do I find out the device name to use for cdrecord?  I haven't played with things in 2.6 and it appears things have changed
[10:51] <adnans> which is a huuuuuge saving for your CPU
[10:51] <lemsx1_> kro, cdrecord -v -tao file.iso ?
[10:51] <Matt|> adnans, no issues with the upgrade?
[10:51] <ben_> how do i get firefox to open .pls's in beep?
[10:51] <lemsx1_> will, get the installer and put it in /usr/local/firefox
[10:51] <ryan> adnans: heh, i'm using xcompmgr -c right now...i'm be a little spoiled ;)
[10:51] <kro> lemsx1: should it just be able to figure out the devicename to use?
[10:51] <adnans> Matt| nope
[10:52] <ryan> in fact i changed my wallpaper just so i could see the shadows better hehe
[10:52] <Matt|> adnans, have they stuck firefox on as well?
[10:52] <Matt|> i can't see it
[10:52] <Despair> Matt|: not in amd64, yet.
[10:52] <adnans> ryan: xcompmgr -c is nice, but the shadow algo in xcompmgr is really silly :)
[10:52] <ryan> hehe
[10:52] <ben_> lemsx1_: huh?
[10:52] <Matt|> Despair, what isn't?
[10:52] <adnans> MAtt| 1.0PR1 here
[10:52] <ryan> adnans: its fun to play with
[10:52] <adnans> hey Despair ;-)
[10:52] <Matt|> adnans, PR1?
[10:52] <jason_> where is 1.0 final?
[10:52] <Hikaru79> I've installed it (firefox) but now how should I link/copy it so that it can be run from /usr/bin/ (so that my desktop shortcut will still work)?
[10:52] <ryan> i'm working on finding transset
[10:52] <lemsx1_> kro, ahh, usually it does. but you might have to pass /dev/cdrom or whatever the name of your burner
[10:52] <jason_> it came out today
[10:52] <will> lemsx1_: do you mean the tarball?
[10:52] <Matt|> adnans, should be RC1 in hoary
[10:52] <Matt|> jason_, that's what i wanna know
[10:53] <Matt|> omg
[10:53] <will> lemsx1_:or should i extract it to there?
[10:53] <jason_> I got my x.org
[10:53] <jason_> finally
[10:53] <Matt|> so where is firefox huh?
[10:53] <Matt|> >_>
[10:53] <lemsx1_> jason_, get the final from mozilla.org
[10:53] <Matt|> <_<
[10:53] <adnans> ryan: xcompmgr -c is noticably slower on 1920x1200 >:)
[10:53] <kro> lemsx1: thats cool
[10:53] <Matt|> what is xcompmgr?
[10:53] <ryan> adnans: hehe
[10:53] <ryan> adnans: okay mr spoiled
[10:54] <kro> forever!
[10:54] <lemsx1_> will, i mean the linux installer firefox-installer and run the installer from that directory
[10:54] <kro> lemsx1: I also learned cdrecord has a -dao mode.
[10:54] <Matt|> lemsx1, i imagine we'll get a package soon tho huh?
[10:54] <ryan> heh
[10:54] <ryan> theres also cdrdao
[10:54] <ben_> how do i get firefox to open pls files in beep automatically?
[10:54] <lemsx1_> kro, -dao ? no, -sao :-)
[10:54] <lemsx1_> kro, for dao you should use cdrdao
[10:54] <will> lemsx1_: ok thanks!
[10:55] <lemsx1_> kro, i'm not sure if cdrecord can burn .cue or .toc files (find the binary and all)
[10:55] <adnans> MAtt| window compositer (when you have composite and damage extensions in your Xserver)
[10:56] <Drago> okay... when I try to take control of my scanner with VMware, it says that the device is claimed by the host operation system and is busy.
[10:56] <Matt|> adnans, i'll come back for info on how to set it up later on when I've installed xorg. Does it need a l33t card?
[10:56] <ryan> damage sounds so damaging ;)
[10:56] <Drago> and sane list that that would cause it not to be detected.
[10:56] <Drago> how would I find out what is using it.
[10:56] <ryan> i think when you kill a window, the window should erupt into a mushroom cloud, to stress the fact that you're killing the window
[10:56] <ryan> ;)
[10:57] <ben_> where is beep installed to?
[10:57] <ryan> /usr?
[10:57] <ryan> /usr/bin etc that is
[10:57] <ryan> i think
[10:57] <lemsx1_> ben_, $> which beep-media-player
[10:57] <lemsx1_> beep-media-player is /usr/bin/beep-media-player
[10:57] <cardador> ben_: Application > Multimedia
[10:57] <adnans> Matt| nvidia hardware will do
[10:57] <will> lemsx1_: that directory does not exist - and i have no permissions!
[10:57] <lemsx1_> :-)
[10:57] <lemsx1_> will, which directory?
[10:58] <Hikaru79> I've installed firefox in /usr/local/firefox-installer/ so now how do I link the firefox script in there so that it can be run from /usr/bin ? Or should I just add firefox-installer to my path?
[10:58] <Matt|> adnans, don't ay that
[10:58] <lemsx1_> Hikaru79, ln -s /usr/local/firefox-installer/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: it should run with an ati card
[10:58] <will>  /usr/local/firefox
[10:58] <lemsx1_> Hikaru79, that's wrong anyway, you should've install it in /usr/local/firefox-1.0 :-)
[10:58] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, even a shit one?
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> but you won't want much less than a 9600XT
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> realistically
[10:58] <kro> lemsx1: I was reading something that suggested cdrecord now had support for dao mode..  but I'm using cdrdao right now and it seems to be doing the trick
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> what card do you have?
[10:59] <kro> After I made a link from /dev/cdrecorder to /dev/cdrom
[10:59] <lemsx1_> will, unless you are part of the group staff you can't write to /usr/local :-)
[10:59] <lemsx1_> will, use sudo
[10:59] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, you might not know it: it is IGP 340M chipset
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> kro: it does
[10:59] <Hikaru79> I used sudo, yeah
[10:59] <Challange> i succeded installing bluetooth tools
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: oh ... er... heh
[10:59] <Hikaru79> I tried ln -s but I get: "Details: Failed to execute child process "firefox" (Too many levels of symbolic links)"
[10:59] <cardador> so, will xorg bring more speed even for older cards, like non hardware acellerated?
[10:59] <Hikaru79> "Too many levels of symbolic link" o_O
[10:59] <lemsx1_> kro, so it works now? good
[10:59] <Challange> but I cant coonect to my phone and i don't know where to search for the bluez-toolz
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: time to get a new video card :)
[11:00] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, well if  can't get it configured I'll come back :) at least 3d acceleration should be supported
[11:00] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, it's a laptop
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> well
[11:00] <jazzka> what to do when a package is not under main, restricted, universe and multiverse but I know it's under debian stable?
[11:00] <jazzka> pleeease
[11:00] <lemsx1_> Hikaru79, oh oh... bad
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: what package
[11:00] <kro> lemsx1: well, I'm using cdrdao right now...  I'm gonna try cdrecord again here in a second with -dao
[11:00] <jazzka> HrdwrBoB, php4-cli
[11:00] <kro> lemsx1: thanks
[11:00] <gwildor_> jazzka, get it from debian stable *not recommended by ubuntu*
[11:01] <will> lemsx1_: what is the copy command syntax i need?
[11:01] <jazzka> gwildor_, but it has dependencies
[11:01] <gwildor_> talk to you guys later, work is OVER
[11:01] <HrdwrBoB> get php4-cgi and use a command line options?
[11:01] <wasabi_> Does Ubuntu have NFSv4 support?
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> to make it run as cliu
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> cli
[11:02] <x0563511> may i ask a question?
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> x0563511: don't ask to ask, ask.
[11:02] <Matt|> anyone else have problems in hoary: after yesterdays updates gnome and nautilus both start really slowly??
[11:02] <daniels> xcompmgr debs: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[11:02] <Matt|> hi daniels
[11:02] <Matt|> cheers again for the work
[11:02] <ben_> i can't get beep to play streaming music :(
[11:02] <daniels> hey
[11:02] <daniels> no worries :)
[11:03] <Matt|> anyone else have problems in hoary: after yesterdays updates gnome and nautilus both start really slowly?? <-- solution is to install "gamin"
[11:03] <lemsx1_> brb
[11:03] <jazzka> what can I do? download every .deb file of php4-cli dependencies and dpkg -i *.deb ??
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: nono
[11:03] <ben_> has firefox 1.0 been added to the warty universe yet?
[11:03] <jazzka> then??
[11:03] <lemsx1_> will, copy command? i'll tell you in a bit
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: install php4-cgi
[11:03] <Matt|> ben_, in your dreams
[11:03] <jazzka> I really need php4-cli
[11:04] <seacyd> How can I control which pdf viewer should be default? gpdf does not work but always gets selected even after being removed
[11:04] <will> lemsx1_: cp?
[11:04] <ben_> Matt|: why, it's stable?
[11:04] <Matt|> ben_, warty isn't updating software
[11:04] <scaroo> Matt|, the same here, seems a gnomevfs issu
[11:04] <Matt|> scaroo, did you see the fix?
[11:04] <scaroo> nop
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: why
[11:04] <ben_> Matt|: ...? So warty only distributes one version of software?
[11:05] <Matt|> anyone else have problems in hoary: after yesterdays updates gnome and nautilus both start really slowly?? <-- solution is to install "gamin"
[11:05] <Matt|> ben_, yup.
[11:05] <ben_> is 1.0 in hoary?
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: the difference between php-cli and php-cgi is a trivial command line option
[11:05] <Matt|> ben_, not yet
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> ben_: no
[11:05] <jazzka> HrdwrBoB, because a simple php interpreter is what I need
[11:05] <ben_> k
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: and that's what php-cgi is
[11:05] <Matt|> ben_, you can install it by hand if you wish?
[11:05] <kalle_> re
[11:05] <trans_err> i just upgraded to hoary, but the default font seems to have either changed or to be rendered differently? Is this common? What was the old default font?
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> php-cli includes all the same stuff
[11:05] <jazzka> HrdwrBoB, php-cgi can do exactly the same?
[11:05] <jazzka> oh!
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> it just defaults to non-html output
[11:06] <cardador> daniels: how do i enable xcompmgr? just install it?
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> yes that's what I've been saying for 5-10mins now :)
[11:06] <scaroo> Matt|, my system is really unusable when dealing with files and menus since the last gnomevfs update :(
[11:07] <Matt|> scaroo, well for me "apt-get install gamin" did the trick
[11:07] <cardador> scaroo: what he said. happened to me also
[11:07] <scaroo> ok, thx you guys
[11:08] <scaroo> what are the pros of gamin vs fam ?
[11:08] <lemsx1_> will, to copy something you simply: cp /something /somewhere
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> it's notshit
[11:08] <Matt|> scaroo, not sure, but they have come down on the side of the former
[11:08] <Matt|> cardador, got it fixed too?
[11:08] <cardador> Matt|: yes
[11:09] <Matt|> ok kewl
[11:09] <seacyd> Can anybody tell me how to define the default application?
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> scaroo: http://veillard.com/Talks/2004GSummit/slide2-0.html
[11:09] <will> lemsx1_: i get error cp: omitting directory `firefox-installer'
[11:09] <ben_> wtf, since when did internet radio have ads
[11:09] <ben_> booo
[11:09] <Matt|> will, maybe add -R to the cp command
[11:09] <x0563511> can i ask something?
[11:09] <Matt|> x0563511, shoot
[11:09] <Challange> I got a question
[11:10] <Matt|> shoot too
[11:10] <Challange> :D
[11:10] <Challange> done
[11:10] <Challange> before
[11:10] <Challange> a few times
[11:10] <Challange> :D
[11:10] <airmikey> where can i get ..X11
[11:10] <seacyd> and what is it about mine ;-)
[11:10] <Challange> i have installed bluetooth stuffs
[11:10] <Challange> and i can-t connect my phone
[11:10] <Challange> cabt see the pc
[11:10] <Chibi> So, do we get a picture of the cute blonde girl next month? :P
[11:10] <Matt|> Challange, *laughs* no idea about that stuff
[11:10] <Matt|> Chibi, w00t
[11:11] <Chibi> :D
[11:11] <Challange> bluez-toolz
[11:11] <Chibi> <3 ubuntu-calendar
[11:11] <Challange> there is no tool
[11:11] <Matt|> Chibi, i need to try that
[11:11] <ben_> is there a way i can download a sound driver for my laptop
[11:11] <Matt|> ben_, sure
[11:11] <trans_err> anyone else expierencing font problems with xorg in hoary?
[11:11] <Chibi> There's only two wallpapers right now, Matt|
[11:11] <ben_> there's a whole bunch of static that comes through the speakers when using the internet :(
[11:11] <scaroo> Challange, have you tried gnome-bluetooth ?
[11:12] <ben_> Matt|: how?
[11:12] <Matt|> ben_, go to the website with your driver on, and download
[11:12] <Chibi> One with the guy, blonde girl, and black girl, and one of the black girl. :/
[11:12] <Challange> scaroo, well,no
[11:12] <scaroo> try it, you ll love it :)
[11:12] <ben_> Matt|, they don't have linux drivers
[11:12] <Matt|> trans_err, don't scare me
[11:12] <Challange> its not in the synaptic
[11:12] <Matt|> ben_, there is no open source version?
[11:12] <will> lemsx1_:thanks!! so its installed in usr/local now
[11:13] <trans_err> Matt|, my fonts are rendering like crap- be forwarned
[11:13] <will> can i safely remove firefox from apt-get now?
[11:13] <Matt|> trans_err, oh dear. downloads are nearly done
[11:13] <Matt|> trans_err, daniels is around give him a shout
[11:13] <trans_err> Matt|, is he also having font problems?
[11:14] <Matt|> trans_err, nope but he is the developer and a lovely guy so he might help you out / be interested in what your problem is to fix it
[11:14] <trans_err> I think it has something to do with xorg as I remember the same problem in gentoo
[11:14] <ben_> Matt|, lemme check
[11:14] <trans_err> It doesn't seem to affect everyone however
[11:14] <ben_> how can i see what kind of sound card i have?
[11:14] <Matt|> ben_, lspci
[11:15] <seacyd> another try: how to get rid of gpdf as default application?
[11:15] <Matt|> seacyd, uninstall it?
[11:15] <seacyd> Matt: thanks, but it is still there in the menue
[11:16] <Matt|> seacyd, you've uninstalled it and it is still in the menu?
[11:16] <seacyd> Matt: Yes - with Synaptic
[11:16] <Challange> how to download gnome-bluetooth?
[11:16] <seacyd> and I do not know how to set the default application in gnome 2.8
[11:17] <Tufek> hi everyone ..i have a question ..is Azereus work fine on ubuntu or no?
[11:17] <seacyd> the first entry now is gpdf, the second entry is xpdf
[11:18] <seacyd> when right-clicking
[11:18] <bkw-laptop> I've downloaded a64 iso,and is now waiting for my new laptop. Are there any possible issues I may have while installing ubuntu on a preinstalled XPee laptop. My idea is that it should install grub and setup dualboot...
[11:18] <will> Tufek: yes i use it !
[11:18] <scaroo> Challange, try there, but i dunno if there are still online :  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./
[11:18] <Mojo_Jojo> w00t my data is saved :D:D:D
[11:18] <Tufek> will, how can i install it ? please explain me
[11:19] <will> Tufek: download the binary from their website, stick it in the directory of your choice, and associate it with .torrent
[11:20] <lemonlysol> I'm having an issue with hoary not loading my intel firmware.  It is looking for ipw2100 1.2, though there are 3 different 1.2 files in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware it isn't seeing it.  Any ideas?
[11:20] <Tufek> will, ok thanks a lot
[11:21] <will> Tufek: of course you need java!
[11:21] <will> get it from synaptic
[11:21] <Tufek> will, ok thanks a lot agai
[11:22] <cenerentola> sorry who can suggest a good program to copy websites on the hd...
[11:22] <lemonlysol> wget
[11:22] <cardador> daniels: your xcompmgr package works very well :) how can i set it to start when X starts?
[11:24] <ploum> HEllo
[11:24] <ploum> I've update to X.org
[11:24] <seacyd> what happend to gnome-default-applications-properties, before I could change all default applications
[11:25] <ploum> but it seems that the mail from daniel Stone is wrong
[11:25] <ploum> Section "Extensions"
[11:25] <ploum>         Option  "Composite"     "Enabled"
[11:25] <ploum> EndSection
[11:25] <ploum> Isn't it : "     Option  "Composite"  "true"   ?
[11:25] <seacyd> now I cannot get rid of gpdf as the default
[11:26] <smo> seacyd: If you right-click a PDF, go to properties, and open the "Open With" tab .. can you change it there?  That should let you change the default for all files of that type
[11:26] <seacyd> smo: yes, there I can switch to xpdf
[11:26] <gen> how would i go about getting hoary packages, update sources.list?
[11:27] <cardador> gen: yes
[11:27] <gen> cardador: just change every warty string to hoary?
[11:28] <seacyd> smo: but gpdf keeps the top position
[11:28] <Matt|> i've just updated to xorg, or at least I think i have. I can find no evidence of that tho
[11:28] <Matt|> where is xorg logging to?
[11:28] <gen> cardador: just change every warty string to hoary?
[11:28] <Matt|> gen, yes
[11:28] <gen> thanks mat
[11:28] <seacyd> Matt: in my understanding to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:28] <gen> matt*
[11:28] <oddabe19> hmmm... what's the xcompmgr package called?
[11:28] <oddabe19> in apt
[11:28] <Matt|> seacyd, no can't be that *laughs*
[11:29] <rapha> Hmm
[11:29] <seacyd> Matt: sorry, you are right ;-)
[11:29] <Matt|> seacyd, although that's not there either
[11:29] <cardador> Matt|: i have shadows enabled at the moment :D
[11:29] <rapha> Has anybody already apt-get dist-upgrade'd to Hoary? Any problems?
[11:29] <Matt|> cardador, where is xorg logging?
[11:29] <cardador> Matt|: really pretty, reminds me of MacOS X
[11:29] <seacyd> Matt: well, when sh* happens it happens ...
[11:29] <gen> is it safe to go hoary, before actual release? all the packages can be updated eventually for the release without a reinstall correct?
[11:29] <Matt|> cardador, less gloating and more helping
[11:30] <cardador> Matt|: /var/log/Xorg? (smt like that)
[11:30] <Matt|> cardador, ok obviously i'm not running it then
[11:30] <smo> seacyd: I've just tried the same on mine (including removing gpdf) .. it did the same, but in that Open With tab, selecting gpdf and hitting Remove does the job
[11:30] <oddabe19> hmmm... what's the xcompmgr package called?
[11:30] <oddabe19> in apt
[11:30] <cardador> Matt|: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:30] <Matt|> cardador, i haven't got that, nor have I got an xorg.conf. Must still be running XFree?!?!
[11:30] <smo> A workaround rather than a fix, but gpdf has disappeared from right-click alltogether
[11:30] <cardador> oddabe19: xcompmgr
[11:31] <oddabe19> cardador, it's not there
[11:31] <Matt|> oddabe19, i'm not sure it is in the repos
[11:31] <cardador> Matt|: did you do the dist-upgrade?
[11:31] <cardador> Matt|: and i mean complete
[11:31] <Matt|> cardador, maybe, maybe not
[11:31] <Matt|> cardador, i did it in synaptic
[11:31] <gen> is it safe to go hoary, before actual release? all the packages can be updated eventually for the release without a reinstall of ubuntu correct?
[11:31] <oddabe19> ok, well, what a bout a .deb package
[11:31] <cardador> Matt|: on synaptic check the upgradable packages
[11:31] <cardador> Matt|: and force the upgrade
[11:32] <cardador> oddabe19: ill paste here the line for sources.list provided by daniels
[11:32] <oddabe19> cardador, thanks
[11:32] <seacyd> smo: I cannot follow: open with tab (on third position from top) I can just enter something
[11:32] <Matt|> cardador, the only package it hasn't upgraded are: The following packages have been kept back:
[11:32] <Matt|>   python-genetic x-window-system-core
[11:32] <lemonlysol> What are the difference in the ipw2100 firmware files -i -p and just .fw?
[11:32] <Matt|> cardador, guess the latter one is important
[11:32] <cardador> oddabe19: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[11:32] <seacyd> smo: there is no gpdf
[11:32] <smo> seacyd: within the Properties dialog, there's an Open With tab, which allows you to edit that list
[11:32] <cardador> Matt|: :)
[11:32] <jmhodges> ok, i seem to be getting some mixed messages on nvidia cards.. some say they support xrandr with the open drivers, some with the proprietary ones, some say not at all.. i guess im more concerned about the 2Go series of cards.. anyone have a clue on thsi?
[11:32] <Matt|> gen, it is not entirely safe, and yes they can be updated
[11:33] <seacyd> smo: if I open the open with I can no list, just a file entry box
[11:33] <seacyd> can = get
[11:33] <Zugwrack> Ok I need to disable pbutton<whatever> since I don't use a laptop...which file do I look to edit to change this?
[11:34] <airmikey> how do i open the rpm
[11:34] <Matt|> cardador, command for force upgrading?
[11:34] <gen> can i get firefox 1.0 through apt-get
[11:34] <cardador> well, im totally blown off by this... i love eye candy :D
[11:34] <Matt|> gen, no
[11:34] <smo> seacyd: Not "Open with Other Application" from the right-click menu ... "Properties" at the end of that menu.  That allows editing the list, rather than just adding to it
[11:35] <cardador> Matt|: synaptic dont want to upgrade?
[11:35] <Matt|> cardador, no it doesn't upgrade those two packages
[11:35] <Matt|> cardador, nor does apt-get upgrade
[11:35] <Temet> guys, to get Java, I must take the .deb package for Debian ?
[11:36] <cenerentola> hi there
[11:36] <cardador> Matt|: whats the output?
[11:36] <seacyd> smo: thanks! you saved my evening!
[11:36] <lemonlysol> OK.  I copied the firmware to a different name and whala it worked.
[11:36] <cenerentola> good night
[11:36] <Zugwrack> Night...
[11:36] <Matt|> cardador, have found the option in synaptic
[11:36] <seacyd> Good Night!
[11:36] <Matt|> "custom"
[11:37] <cardador> Matt|: is it downloading?
[11:38] <Matt|> cardador, yeah not long 2 go. dunno what that package was held back from the automatic upgrade
[11:38] <Matt|> Zugwrack, can you give a bit more detail?
[11:39] <cardador> Matt|: in some time youll check some amazing eye candy :)
[11:39] <^^candy^^> how can i open a .bin program?
[11:39] <djtansey_> this is pretty general but i'm hoping you can help. i have a usb key that seems to have two filesystems on it -- one small (showing up as sdb) and one large (sda1) -- how can i remove the smaller one?
[11:39] <cardador> ^^candy^^: sh file.bin
[11:39] <Matt|> cardador, don't speak too soon. If i get 3d acceleration, it will make my day
[11:39] <cardador> Matt|: whats your card?