[07:25] <jussi> does anyone have any opinions on whether canonical will fail or succeed with the phone? and can you back up these opinions?
[15:29] <IdleOne> jussi: I don't think it can be considered a success until major phone companies start selling phones with ubuntu touch preinstalled.
[15:29] <IdleOne> as long err ubuntu phone/touch
[15:30] <jussi> IdleOne: I tend to agree - Im asking for opiniions if that could happen and why do you think it might happen.
[15:30] <Calinou> firefox OS targets low end
[15:30] <Calinou> and guess what are the best sellers? nexus 4 and GS3/GS4
[15:30] <Calinou> two insanely expensive phones :P
[15:30] <IdleOne> as long as it remains a geek thing, meaning that the end user needs to flash his phone, it will stay just on the edge of success
[15:30] <Calinou> wait
[15:30] <Calinou> WTF brain
[15:30] <jussi> IdleOne: I agree
[15:30] <Calinou> well, when you said ubuntu touch I thought of firefoxc OS
[15:30] <Calinou> -c
[15:31] <jussi> IdleOne: although, I can see phones with multiple UI's being potentially shipped, and the user chooises the UI at startup....
[15:31] <jussi> err, initial startup
[15:32] <IdleOne> jussi: if the carriers see a potential for profit they will.
[15:32] <jussi> because, lets face it, underneath it is now very much the same (at a lernel level)
[15:32] <IdleOne> that might be a good idea, a dual boot phone.
[15:32] <jussi> kernel*
[15:33] <IdleOne> but the carrier needs to be able to market a reason for having dual boot which means ubuntu will need to fill a specific task that isn't already by existing phone OS.
[15:33] <Calinou> jussi: that will never happen
[15:33] <Calinou> dualbooting is so sketchy already
[15:33] <Calinou> thanks to UEFI
[15:34] <jussi> IdleOne: or they may head towards simply Galaxy S5U, S5A, S5J, S5T (Ubuntu, Android, Jolla, Tizen)
[15:35] <jussi> so same HW, choose your software
[15:35] <jussi> "best of all worlds" so to speak
[15:36] <IdleOne> I'm don't own a cell phone or tablet, for me there is no need to own one. But I do sometimes think I would like a nice tablet I can use as a "main" computing device, but I would want to be able to do pretty much everything I can on my desktop.
[15:36] <jussi> IdleOne: you need a keyboard, no matter what people tell you...
[15:37] <IdleOne> screen size is a big issue for me, I don't have problems with my vision, I just don't like looking at a small screen. 7-9-10 inches is too small IMO
[15:37] <Calinou> lol jussi
[15:37] <jussi> its frustrating though, Ubuntu touch was getting very good reviews, but I found it unuseable tbh
[15:37] <Calinou> IdleOne: desktop ftw
[15:38] <Calinou> tablet as main computing, lol
[15:38] <IdleOne> jussi: it is still very new
[15:38] <jussi> I have 8 mins till train arrives, so if I disappear...
[15:39] <IdleOne> Calinou: what I meant by main device was when I am away from my desktop I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop.
[15:39] <jussi> IdleOne: still, with the level of advertised useability, I expect bugs, not showstopper bugs.
[15:39] <jussi> IdleOne: I have the most compatible device (Nexus 4) and the experience was very poor
[15:40] <IdleOne> I can't comment on that because I haven't tried it.
[15:40] <jussi> IdleOne: the gmail app for example wouldnt load. the browser was very poor. other apps didnt load at all.
[15:40] <IdleOne> I do like the idea of being able to dock a phone or tablet and using it as a desktop.
[15:41] <IdleOne> I think I could then live with the smaller screen size when I am on the go.
[15:41] <jussi> IdleOne: that said, the system and ideas are very nice, although some of them are somewhat confusing.
[15:42] <jussi> anyway, station coming up... talk laters
[15:42] <IdleOne> That is just a question of learning to use a different UI
[15:42] <IdleOne> later dude.
[15:43] <Calinou> IdleOne: well you can't
[15:43] <Calinou> performance is very bad compared to a desktop
[15:44] <Calinou> and you don't have physical keyboard/mouse
[15:44] <IdleOne> performance on phones and tablets is improving and will soon be comparable to desktop
[15:52] <Calinou> lol no
[15:52] <Calinou> celeron G1610 = 5 times as fast as tegra 3
[15:52] <Calinou> 40 euro CPU
[15:52] <Calinou> you have now idea how slow ARM is at heavy tasks :P
[15:52] <Calinou> 20 minutes to compile a game


[00:01] <tonyyarusso> Rory: Yes, a live, production server.  Running our backups.
[00:02] <tonyyarusso> One of the previous sysadmins doesn't belive in doing updates
[00:18] <rostam> PryMar56, dpkg -l | grep xserv is not empty,  I originally installed ubuntu-server but I needed  xwindow  for our gui applications, this is exactly how I did for RH. Does xserver adds something to slownes? thx
[00:19] <rostam> PryMar56,  pkg counts is 666
[00:24] <sarnold> X does take memory and processing power. both of which might be better used on your applications instead. but the drain is usually pretty low..
[00:25] <PryMar56> rostam - any python/perl depends in your apps?
[00:26] <rostam> PryMar56,  no python/perl
[00:27] <PryMar56> rostam, pkg count looks similar to ubuntu-server.. and networkmanager is unused? all NIC configs are manual?
[00:28] <rostam> PryMar56,  we have two CPU (AMD 5000) we do configure them manually, the same we do for RH.
[00:28] <PryMar56> rostam - check locale, i18n configs in /etc/default against what shows in ENV
[00:30] <rostam> PryMar56,  Env you mean echo $Env? the output is empty
[00:31] <PryMar56> rostam, IOW - login as user, type env, and see if LANG, language, etc looks OK
[00:34] <PryMar56> rostam , also login as user, type groups <---- huge difference with RH if the user is admin
[00:34] <rostam> PryMar56, we are running our apps as root. do you see any issue there as far as performance??
[00:35] <PryMar56> rostam - no..but that is not exactly the ubuntu way
[00:36] <PryMar56> rostam, if go through steps like this.. you might find weaknesses of faults
[00:36] <PryMar56> or faults
[00:37] <PryMar56> rostam in RH you have /etc/sysconfig in deb/ubuntu there is /etc/default
[00:40] <rostam> PryMar56,  ok I will look for any differences between env and /etc/default setting, if I donot find it what else I should look for? thx
[00:42] <PryMar56> rostam - loaded modules (lsmod).. I doubt kernel differences will matter: RH is 2.6.32 and Ub is 3.0.1x
[00:42] <rostam> how about apparmor /
[00:42] <rostam> ?
[00:43] <PryMar56> rostam, apparmor is off in my server
[00:43] <rostam> PryMar56,  How could I disable it?
[00:44] <PryMar56> rostam, thats an FAQ , but memory says something with purge... google it
[00:44] <sarnold> in the most pessimistic of testing, apparmor adds less than 0.5% overhead; if you're having performance problems, apparmor is probably not involved :)
[00:46] <sarnold> rostam: if your hard drives have 4k sectors (or larger, as some ssds do) you can sometimes see a gigantic slowdown if partitions are not aligned on 4k blocks, but rather on the older 512 byte boundaries -- every write might involve then a read, modify, write cycle, which would be significantly slower
[00:46] <jjohansen> rostam: there are several ways to disable
[00:46] <jjohansen> apparmor=0 on the grub kernel command line, do it in grub, or permanently in /etc/defaults/grub and then update-grub
[00:46] <jjohansen> rostam: you can purge the apparmor package, the kernel module will still be enabled but not policy will be loaded
[00:47] <sarnold> rostam: what exactly is _slow_ in your configuration? can you narrow it down to a specific sequence of system calls or function calls?
[00:51] <rostam> opening devices (video encoder/decoder card) takes about 1 sec while in RH takes about 1 msec.
[00:53] <sarnold> rostam: oh, interesting. any chance you can try your redhat with a newer kernel or your ubuntu with an older kernel? you can't just drop one kernel onto the other :/ but similar era kernels would be a worthwhile starting point
[00:54] <sarnold> rostam: it might be that the kernel driver might have treated an open() request without checking the hardware or without allocating resources, but now it may
[00:56] <rostam> sarnold,  valid points, let me dig more into the open call. Thank you all for helping me. I got lot us of good points.
[03:34] <guzzlefry> Is there a way to test sshd settings without looking my current sessions? I'm trying to avoid getting locked out.
[03:34] <guzzlefry> s/looking/losing
[03:35] <sarnold> guzzlefry: changing ssh settings won't influence existing connections
[03:35] <sarnold> guzzlefry: now, changing _firewall_ settings is where you've got to be very careful :)
[03:35] <guzzlefry> sarnold: even when restarting the daemon?
[03:35] <guzzlefry> service sshd restart
[03:35] <sarnold> guzzlefry: yes, the daemon has spawned off children processes to handle logged in users
[03:36] <guzzlefry> ah, good to know
[03:36] <guzzlefry> thank you :)
[03:36] <sarnold> guzzlefry: have fun :)
[03:39] <guzzlefry> Oh, one more question actually. I've looked around, and it seems like the only way to lock a user to sftp and chroot them is to set root as the owner of the chroot directory. Has that situation changed at all?
[03:45] <sarnold> guzzlefry: well, that's a tricky thing. chroot was never intended as a real security mechanism
[03:46] <guzzlefry> ah, that would explain all of the breakages I've heard about it.
[03:46] <sarnold> guzzlefry: you could try using an lxc container; I haven't tried that yet myself, but I think it ought to work. another option is confining the user with apparmor, though it isn't as convenient as one might like: sec-saucy-i386
[03:46] <sarnold> guzzlefry: http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Pam_apparmor_example
[03:46] <sarnold> sorry about the mispaste, juggling too many things at once :)
[03:47] <guzzlefry> no problem, thanks again for your help
[04:05] <fishcooker> is it right that ubuntu-server 12.04 installation need internet connection?
[04:08] <guzzlefry> Well, this is interesting...
[04:08] <guzzlefry> $ sudo ssh-keygen -i -f id-rsa.pub > authorized_keys
[04:08] <guzzlefry> -bash: authorized_keys: Permission denied
[04:10] <sarnold> fishcooker: I believe it'll download and install updates while installing, if you wish
[04:10] <sarnold> guzzlefry: the > authorized_keys is handled by the shell _before_ it executes sudo
[04:10] <guzzlefry> doh
[04:10] <guzzlefry> thanks
[04:11] <guzzlefry> It might be time to call it day. ;)
[04:11] <sarnold> always a good idea to call it a day before you fat-finger something and wreck your tomorrow, hehe :)
[04:35] <fishcooker> so without internet connection ubuntu server will not be installed, sarnold?
[05:15] <Ghostx562> hello, i am trying to setup a server for local file storage, is this possible using ubuntu server?
[05:30] <pmatulis> Ghostx562: what do you mean by 'local file storage'?  every computer has local file storage
[05:32] <fishcooker> i have unregistered board .. i've tried install ubuntu server many times and failed
[05:33] <Ghostx562> pmatulis, store files on an old desktop with a 1tb drive, move files between that and my laptop
[05:33] <Ghostx562> sort of file storage
[05:33] <pmatulis> Ghostx562: laptop running what OS?
[05:34] <Ghostx562> fishcooker, installing from CD?
[05:34] <Ghostx562> pmatulis, win7/ubuntu
[05:34] <pmatulis> Ghostx562: study samba
[05:34] <pmatulis> fishcooker: what is "unregistered board"?
[05:34] <Ghostx562> pmatuils, will do thanks
[05:34] <pmatulis> !samba | Ghostx562
[05:35] <pmatulis> but it works with ubuntu too
[05:37] <fishcooker> nope i installed from usb flashdisk
[05:37] <fishcooker> this is my lshw on previous ubuntu remix 10.10
[05:37] <Ghostx562> fishcooker, try cd better results that way
[05:39] <fishcooker> http://paste.debian.net/67115/
[05:40] <fishcooker> i don't know why CD would be better than USB,  Ghostx562
[07:00] <ns5> I'm installing ubuntu server 12.04.3, I want to partition the disk manually, but I can't find fdisk.  Any idea?
[07:01] <lifeless> the installer will step you through it
[07:30] <lifeless> has anyone else had all their LXC's stop working recently? They DHCP request on the bridge, but then don't acccept the response.
[07:30] <lifeless> I can see DHCP outputting
[07:30] <lifeless> send(3, "<30>Nov 22 07:29:48 dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.", 53, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 53
[07:30] <lifeless> but I can also see dhcpd
[07:30] <lifeless> Nov 22 20:28:50 lifelesshp dnsmasq-dhcp[1688]: DHCPDISCOVER(lxcbr0) 00:16:3e:9f:6e:06
[07:31] <lifeless> Nov 22 20:28:50 lifelesshp dnsmasq-dhcp[1688]: DHCPOFFER(lxcbr0) <IP_ADDRESS> 00:16:3e:9f:6e:06
[07:31] <lifeless> in the host
[07:36] <ns5> how can I configure static IP for an interface
[07:37] <ns5> where is the configuration file?
[07:44] <Sling> ns5: /etc/network/interfaces
[07:44] <ns5> Sling: thanks
[09:01] <ns5> the python-protobuf package in my Ubuntu server 12.04.3 is too old, how can I update it?
[09:17] <Rory> ns5: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-protobuf
[09:17] <ns5> Rory: the latest version is still too old...
[09:17] <Rory> ns5: What version is installed, and what version do you need?
[09:18] <ns5> 2.4.1-1ubuntu2, I need >=2.5
[09:23] <Rory> !info python-protobuf precise
[09:24] <Rory> ns5: There is no later version packaged, even in saucy
[09:24] <Rory> ns5: You'll have to get a later version from the upstream developers and install it yourself
[09:24] <Rory> !info python-protobuf
[09:25] <ns5> Rory: thanks, I'll try to install it manually
[09:26] <Rory> i can't help you with it because I dont even know what it is :P but if you're getting errors or something when installing put them on paste.ubuntu.com and I will look
[10:58] <fishcooker> why installation of the server from usb always fail?
[10:59] <Rory> !md5sum | fishcooker
[11:00] <fishcooker> the hashes is match
[11:00] <fishcooker> Rory:
[11:00] <Rory> fishcooker: How do you know it fails? Do you get an error?
[11:00] <fishcooker> this box is minipc from china
[11:01] <fishcooker> stuck on retrieving libpcre3-udeb
[11:01] <fishcooker> btw
[11:01] <Rory> fishcooker: is it connected to the internet during installation?
[11:01] <fishcooker> yess
[11:01] <fishcooker> connected
[11:01] <fishcooker> stuck on 20%
[11:02] <Rory> fishcooker: Could you try the installation without a network connection?
[11:02] <fishcooker> it always be stop
[11:02] <fishcooker> on mirror
[11:06] <Rory> yes so there might be a problem with your connection, try installing while you are not connected to the Internet
[11:08] <fishcooker> but it always stop on mirror/ repo thing
[11:09] <Rory> fishcooker: Reboot the machine without a connection, and start the installation completely again
[11:09] <fishcooker> ok i will
[11:39] <fishcooker> how about ubuntu mirror country?
[11:39] <fishcooker> no network here
[11:42] <fishcooker> Rory there is no possibility when you are not connected to the internet
[11:42] <fishcooker> the installation will be fail
[11:42] <Rory> fishcooker: That isn't true, I installed ubuntu server on a machine with no Internet this morning
[11:43] <fishcooker> now i am facing this problem
[11:43] <fishcooker> which iso do you use?
[11:43] <fishcooker> im using 12.04.3
[11:45] <Rory> ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso
[11:50] <fishcooker> yes
[11:50] <fishcooker> the same here
[11:50] <fishcooker> with the same hashes
[11:59] <rbasak> fishcooker: are you checking the hash from the USB stick itself, or from the ISO file you downloaded?
[12:00] <rbasak> fishcooker: best to verify the boot media itself, if you're not already doing that.
[12:04] <fishcooker> i will follow your direction
[12:05] <fishcooker> which file rbasak?
[12:09] <fishcooker> my prediction that this box doesn't support ubuntu
[12:10] <fishcooker> this my cpuinfo http://paste.debian.net/67143/
[12:10] <fishcooker> the last installed os here is ubuntu remix 10.10
[12:10] <fishcooker> on this box
[12:10] <fishcooker> netbook
[12:16] <maxb> Everything that has been said above seems to just indicate there was a problem with the network or mirror, rather than any problem with the installer or system
[13:31] <aokmanga> salve
[13:31] <aokmanga> sto cercando di configurare un vps con ubuntu server ed apache ma non riesco a vederlo dall'esterno anche se ho configurato iptables in modo che DOVREI vederlo
[13:32] <aokmanga> qualcuno mi da una mano?
[13:32] <aokmanga> premetto che non ho accesso al sistema grafico
[13:33] <zul> aokmanga:  english please
[13:33] <aokmanga> ops sorry :P
[13:34] <aokmanga> i'm trying to setup a vps with ubuntu server and apache ma i can't connect to it from outside
[13:34] <aokmanga> i tried to change settings in iptables but it seems not to work, i can't access to the graphical server
[13:35] <Arrick> !php-gd
[13:35] <Arrick> ok... .ubottu doesnt know anything about php-gd... I need it for a part of my moodle install on ubuntu 12.04 LTS, server version... anyone know the package name for it?
[13:36] <Arrick> got it nevermind, php5-gd, lol
[13:36] <remix_tj> Arrick: php5-gd?
[13:36] <remix_tj> :-D
[13:37] <rbasak> aokmanga: Ubuntu Server is not graphical.
[13:38] <aokmanga> rbasak: ok does it has an X server or not?
[13:38] <aokmanga> only for curiosity because anyway i've no access to it :D
[13:38] <Pici> aokmanga: not by default.
[13:38] <aokmanga> thank you
[13:38] <rbasak> aokmanga: you could install one, but then it sounds like you really want Ubuntu Desktop.
[13:39] <aokmanga> understood
[13:39] <aokmanga> anyway i installed apache mysql and so on
[13:39] <rbasak> aokmanga: generally the access mechanism to Ubuntu Server is ssh.
[13:39] <aokmanga> configured iptables
[13:39] <aokmanga> i made everything through ssh
[13:39] <aokmanga> but i can't access to it from outside
[13:39] <aokmanga> i don't know why
[13:40] <aokmanga> i think it's a problem of the iptables settings
[13:40] <aokmanga> but i can't find it
[13:40] <Pici> Outside what?
[13:40] <aokmanga> i'm setting a vps
[13:40] <aokmanga> and i was looking to find the apache web page from my home pc
[13:40] <aokmanga> browsing the ip on the browser
[13:40] <Pici> So you can access it from inside the network where it is located? but not from outside?
[13:41] <aokmanga> i don't know if i can access from inside the network because i'ven't got the server physically :P
[13:42] <aokmanga> it's a little free vps hosting
[13:42] <Pici> Can you connect to it with ssh from where you are right now?
[13:42] <aokmanga> yes
[13:42] <aokmanga> but they gave me ssh with an ipv4
[13:43] <aokmanga> but i've only access (except for ssh) to ipv6
[13:43] <aokmanga> i set ip6tables in fact
[13:43] <Pici> For the most part, you shouldn't need to touch iptables for things to work properly.
[13:43] <aokmanga> i tried to touch it because it wasn't visible :/
[13:43] <aokmanga> maybe i made some mistakes
[13:45] <aokmanga> anyone can help me to solve this problem?
[13:46] <Pici> I'd make sure that apache2 is actually listening on port 80 locally first, and then attack iptables.
[13:46] <aokmanga> how can i do that?
[13:46] <aokmanga> netstat?
[13:47] <Pici> aokmanga: yep.
[13:48] <aokmanga> thanks for the support, i'm trying to learn :)
[13:53] <rbasak> mdeslaur: is anyone working on CVE-2013-4164 for ruby? Should I file a bug on it?
[13:54] <mdeslaur> rbasak: no need to file a bug, we track CVEs in our tracker
[13:54] <mdeslaur> rbasak: it will appear in today's tracker update
[13:55] <rbasak> mdeslaur: OK, thanks. I looked in the tracker; didn't know it updated daily.
[13:56] <mdeslaur> rbasak: adding new cves is a process we do 2-3 times a week
[13:56] <mdeslaur> usually on mon-wed-fri
[13:56] <mdeslaur> thanks for the ping
[13:56] <rbasak> I see. np, sorry for the noise.
[14:00] <mdeslaur> no need to apologize, I'm glad you told me about it in case we missed it
[14:10] <Arrick> hey all, I have php5-xmlrpc installed on my 12.04 server, but I cant figure out how to enable it... any pointers?
[15:14] <zetheroo> I moved a raid1 array (2 disks) from one server and placed them inside another .. "mdadm --detail /dev/md127" shows me the Name as the being the former server this array was in - how can I change this to the name of the new server?
[15:14] <aokmanga> hi all again
[15:15] <aokmanga> i need to make my web server apache visible outside the internal network, i checked iptables and everything seems fine... there are no rules so everything can go in and out
[15:16] <aokmanga> netstat says that httpd is working and listening on the port 80
[15:16] <aokmanga> but!!!
[15:16] <aokmanga> if i try service httpd restart it says
[15:16] <aokmanga> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
[15:17] <aokmanga> this is what i have with netstat
[15:17] <aokmanga> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:80                  <IP_ADDRESS>:*                   LISTEN      860/httpd            tcp        0      0 2a02:4780:1:1::1:b39:80     :::*                        LISTEN      860/httpd
[15:17] <pmatulis> zetheroo: maybe /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[15:18] <aokmanga> i'm trying to connect through ipv6 entering in the browser http://[2a02:4780:1:1::1:b39] but it doesn't work
[15:21] <aokmanga> is there something does i have to activate ipv6 protocol?
[15:27] <Rory> aokmanga: Can you ping that IP?
[15:27] <Rory> aokmanga: nvm i can ping it, it's up
[15:28] <aokmanga> how do you ping it?
[15:28] <Rory> aokmanga: ping6
[15:28] <aokmanga> i tried ping 2a02:4780:1:1::1:b39
[15:28] <aokmanga> ok thank you :)
[15:29] <aokmanga> does it work to you on the browser?
[15:29] <Rory> no
[15:30] <Rory> aokmanga: Can you please paste the output of this command: sudo netstat -anp | grep ":802"
[15:30] <Rory> !paste
[15:30] <Pici> aokmanga: Which release of Ubuntu are you using btw?
[15:30] <aokmanga> 12.04 Pici
[15:30] <Rory> sorry aokmanga:  netstat -anp | grep "80"
[15:30] <Rory> I have a very sticky shift key on this keyboard
[15:31] <Pici> I just don't recall us having httpd be the name of the apache2 daemon in some time (if ever)
[15:31] <Rory> Sorry aokmanga ignore me completely about netstat, I just read above
[15:31] <aokmanga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6459041/
[15:32] <Rory> aokmanga: What's the output of: cat /etc/issue
[15:35] <Pici> Rory: well, that was interesting
[15:38] <Rory> Centos 5.3 \n \l
[16:30] <psivaa> jamespage: Floodlight smoke tests fail with today's trusty images.
[16:30] <psivaa> reported bug 1254096
[16:39] <jamespage> psivaa, thanks - i think
[16:39] <jamespage> :-)
[16:41] <psivaa> np :)
[16:45] <zul> jamespage:  keystone has switched over to testr by the way
[16:45] <jamespage> \o/
[16:45] <jamespage> smooth
[17:13] <Arrick> hey all, I have php5-xmlrpc installed on my 12.04 server, but I cant figure out how to enable it... any pointers?
[17:26] <jamespage> psivaa, well this is like turning over the rock and finding the cochroaches
[18:22] <DeltaHeavy> Hey, when I run the command 'chkconfig --level 345 ssh on' it tells me '/sbin/insserv' isn't a file or directory.
[18:23] <sarnold> DeltaHeavy: ubuntu has used the 'upstart' init replacement for a while. It's quite different, even thogh there are some sysv-init compatibility efforts in place. it'd be worhtwhile to skim through the upstart cookbook: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[18:23] <DeltaHeavy> Ok, thanks!
[18:23] <ikonia> it's pointless trying to use chkconfig on run levels as ubuntu only uses run level 2
[18:23] <ikonia> and uses upstart
[18:23] <sarnold> DeltaHeavy: in general, if something is installed, upstart will try to start it. if you want to stop it, you can do that easily with an override file: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[18:24] <sarnold> s/to stop it/prevent it from starting/
[18:24] <DeltaHeavy> Didn't know Ubuntu was so different. I'll look into it. Thanks!
[18:24] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: you've been asking this sort of stuff for a while on ubuntu and keep being told it's differences, not sure why it's not sinking in
[18:25] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: Uh, this is the first time I've been in this channel. Are you getting me confused with somebody else?
[18:25] <sarnold> yes, parallelizing the init and running tasks based on when dependencies were satisfied drastically cut down on boot time, and once the override files were added, it became a -lot- easier to administrate than the old pile of a hundred symlinks. :)
[18:25] <ikonia> I've seen you in #ubuntu a few times
[18:25] <DeltaHeavy> Yeah, I've never used Ubuntu before. I don't apprichate your snippy attitude.
[18:25] <DeltaHeavy> Ubuntu server*
[18:26] <ikonia> ubuntu server works the same as ubuntu
[18:26] <DeltaHeavy> I've only used Ubuntu as a desktop, no fancy stuff. I've never been told about this so you should learn to be a little bit more sociable and understanding.
[18:26] <ikonia> so the differences that have been explained to you on ubuntu will be the same on ubuntu server
[18:26] <DeltaHeavy> No they havn't
[18:26] <DeltaHeavy> I don't even know what Upstart is
[18:26] <ikonia> i didn't say you did
[18:26] <DeltaHeavy> Learn some respect or I'm just going to /ignore you.
[18:27] <ikonia> I'm pointing out that just trying to do things the same as other distros as you have done in ubuntu before isn't working
[18:27] <ikonia> so instead of rushing in - try to look at the differences, as you've been explained before, there are some significant differences and something the same as other distros
[18:27] <sarnold> ikonia: please just drop it...
[18:28] <DeltaHeavy> Is he always like this?
[18:28] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: I'm just trying to save you from making a mistake that can cause damage,
[18:28] <sarnold> DeltaHeavy: no, most times he's quite helpful :)
[18:28] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: I apprichiate it it just comes off as confrontational when you're "not sure why it's not sinking in" when I havn't used Ubuntu in well over a year, and I'm not experianced in it or asked for much help in #ubuntu or anything of hte likes at all.
[19:11] <jrwren> remember, http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
[19:13]  * patdk-wk forgets
[19:42] <GomoX> Hello
[19:42] <GomoX> What's a good config file based alternative to ufw? ufw is a pain to use with configuration management
[19:44] <sarnold> GomoX: I've heard good things about ferm, never used it myself though
[19:45] <GomoX> sarnold: will look into that
[19:46] <aerokid240> check of csf
[19:47] <aerokid240> *out
[19:49] <GomoX> aerokid240: not packaged for Debian it seems?
[21:18] <Beatstreet> I have a 6 drive RAID 5. The RAID failed and box locked up. When I got the box back up I tried to recover but the recovery failed and now I was a failed drive and a spare drive and 4 active
[21:18] <Beatstreet> not enough to start the RAID
[21:18] <Beatstreet> any thoughts on how to get this RAID back up?
[22:09] <xkernel> surprisingly I found mysql down, how can I figure out what happened?
[22:10] <Sling> xkernel: usually it will log to /var/log/mysql/error.log
[22:40] <fishcooker> im on ubuntu server installation now im on install grub boot loader on hard disk section.. the err message is grub-pc package failed to install into target
[22:41] <fishcooker> i see that the hardisk mount properly on /target
[22:42] <fishcooker> what should i do .. skip it or?
[23:09] <CptBley> I am trying to boot ubuntu server 12.04 from a DVD - RW and I select it in the boot menu but all that happens is a blinking _  then it asks whether I want to boot from windows or Ubuntu 12.04 which I have previously installed
[23:10] <CptBley> please help
[23:10] <CptBley> anyone
[23:15] <aokmanga> hi all
[23:15] <aokmanga> i've a question for you
[23:15] <aokmanga> can i use a dns name server to use a text address on internet too or only in a private network?
[23:19] <sarnold> aokmanga: I'm sorry, I don't understand your question, can you rephrase it/
[23:20] <DeltaHeavy> aokmanga: Only in your local domain.
[23:20] <aokmanga> thank you DeltaHeavy
[23:20] <aokmanga> sarnold i asked if i set a dns name server on my machine
[23:21] <aokmanga> can i use the name that replace my ip on internet? or only in a private network? anyway DeltaHeavy replied you can only use it internally so i'll skip it
[23:22] <DeltaHeavy> aokmanga: You can edit your /etc/hosts file to have any string of text represent an IP address, in your local network or not.
[23:23] <aokmanga> in your local network or not? so if i set a string of text to replace my ip and you enter it in your browser with apache running you get my page?
[23:25] <sarnold> aokmanga: if you edit your /etc/hosts file to assign names to IPs, those names will work on that machine -- but only that machine. you can give any name and any IP address that way
[23:25] <aokmanga> sarnold: ok, this is what i thought :)
[23:26] <aokmanga> thank you
[23:26] <sarnold> aokmanga: that's sometimes useful if you want to prevent a specific annoying advertiser from blinking at you in webpages, add their name and <IP_ADDRESS> to /etc/hosts, and your browser will contact your local webserver instead :)
[23:37] <ausjke1> ls -l /var/lib/hugetlbfs pagesize-16MB or pagesize-16777216 I normally see 16MB but why is it 16777216 on ubuntu?
[23:37] <ausjke1> qemu complains no pagesize-4MB found for example
[23:38] <ausjke1> it ignores pagesize-4194304 which should be just pagesize-4MB
[23:39] <sarnold> can you make symlinks from one to the other?
[23:39] <ausjke1> hmm forgot that , Friday afternoon that is, let me try, thanks
[23:40] <sarnold> hehe, well, it's reasonable to expect it to work out of the box :) I'm just hoping some symlinks will get you moving again..
[23:41] <ausjke1> yeah that symlink 'fixed' it
[23:41] <ausjke1> :)
[23:42] <sarnold> woo :)


[02:55] <smoser> SpamapS, i think i'm ok wrt blocking
[02:55] <smoser> because we end up pinning mounted / to network up
[02:55] <smoser> at least thats how we did it before
[02:55] <smoser> maybe ned to talk tomorrow


[03:21] <micahg> bkerensa: I haven't been doing much with it for about a year now
[03:21] <micahg> I would like to, but my time is spread very thin ATM
[03:21] <micahg> if there's something pressing, I can try to take a look
[03:22] <Unit193> I'd help, but I clearly don't know enough to work on big projects.  I did a little fixing up with the nightingale packaging, though it isn't included in anywhere and even my fixes don't make it correct. :)
[03:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if there's stuff you'd like help with, let me know, if it's something I"m using on a regular basis, I can try to help keep it going