[02:33] <pleia2> request for summaries sent off :)
[02:34] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: thanks for taking care this week :) if you need any help just ping me, I'll be happy to help
[02:35] <pleia2> thanks JoseeAntonioR !


[15:55] <lotuspsychje> juergh: that git looks good you found on bug #1918715
[16:00] <juergh> @lotuspsychje, these people need to upstream their drivers if you want it in Ubuntu. Or someone needs to create and maintain a DKMS package.
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> juergh: so i contact the git owner to make him upstream apply?
[16:04] <juergh> @lotuspsychje, not sure if they have a plan: https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-keyboard/issues/17
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> juergh: i see, what about apply it upstream ourselfs, is that possible without being maintainer?
[16:09] <juergh> @lotuspsychje, Most likely not. I haven't looked at the driver(s) but they're probably ugly and no upstreamable otherwise it would have happened already.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> allrighty


[00:08] <MythbuntuGuest65> hello
[00:09] <MythbuntuGuest65> im quite new to IRC, im looking for assitance with Mythbuntu DVB-s
[00:10] <MythbuntuGuest65> is anyone here?
[00:18] <MythbuntuGuest83> how do i use this?
[00:21] <tgm4883> you just did
[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest83> i was thinking i was doing it wrong
[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest83> can you help me with mythbuntu?
[00:22] <tgm4883> what is your question?
[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest83> I upgraded from SVN .20 to the new mythbuntu, and cant seem to scan any channels.  I tried 2 cards..
[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest83> twinhan
[00:23] <MythbuntuGuest83> and nexus-s, both with same results, "no Tables"
[00:23] <tgm4883> how did you upgrade?  What cards?  What distro were you using before?
[00:24] <MythbuntuGuest83> i was using edgy 6.10 ubuntu, with myth from SVN, then i installed different HD so i didnt hork up my old install if it didnt work correctly
[00:24] <MythbuntuGuest83> installed mythbuntu from ISO
[00:24] <MythbuntuGuest83> searched up and down for information about channel scanning with myth, but couldnt find anything
[00:25] <MythbuntuGuest83> in regards to my problem/
[00:25] <tgm4883> what cards?
[00:25] <MythbuntuGuest83> Twinhan 102g, and Haupp Nexus-s FF
[00:25] <tgm4883> k
[00:26] <tgm4883> ok, what did you add them as?
[00:27] <MythbuntuGuest83> for twinhan: i use standard dvb-bttx module
[00:27] <MythbuntuGuest83> Linux found nexus and added that for me, but also tried saa7146 module with no avail
[00:28] <MythbuntuGuest83> dvb-bt8xx
[00:29] <tgm4883> ok, so is linux seeing the twinhan?
[00:29] <MythbuntuGuest83> ya, and is registering correctly in the dev list
[00:29] <tgm4883> ok
[00:29] <tgm4883> and you added them in step 2 of mythtv-setup?
[00:29] <MythbuntuGuest83> ye
[00:29] <MythbuntuGuest83> yes
[00:29] <tgm4883> what did you add them as?
[00:30] <MythbuntuGuest83> dvb-v3
[00:30] <tgm4883> ok
[00:30] <tgm4883> and you setup a channel data source?
[00:30] <MythbuntuGuest83> yes
[00:30] <tgm4883> ok, and when you go to scan what happens?
[00:31] <MythbuntuGuest83> i doing a full scan on dish birds at 1237000 looking for the NASA FTA channel, and it gets a signal, then pauses for long time, then comes back timeout, no tables
[00:32] <tgm4883> hmm
[00:32] <tgm4883> a quick search turns up this, although I'm not sure if it applies http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608514&highlight=twinhan
[00:34] <MythbuntuGuest83> that looks like over the air, but similar problem,  he didnt have any responses to his, but it looks like he was able to get a few channels
[00:34] <MythbuntuGuest83> its funny cause the twinhan will get the transports, but the nexus wont
[00:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> it wil get the list of transports that is
[00:35] <the-cyborg> here's your problem.... the version of mythtv that comes stock with mythbuntu is not patched to work with NA satellites
[00:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> O
[00:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> any ideas?
[00:36] <MythbuntuGuest83> or should i compile from source?
[00:37] <the-cyborg> hehe with mythbuntu it ain't that simple
[00:37] <MythbuntuGuest83> thats what i thought
[00:38] <MythbuntuGuest83> does the source allow you to use NA sats?
[00:39] <the-cyborg> nope it has to be patched
[00:39] <the-cyborg> get with me in pm
[00:40] <MythbuntuGuest83> says i cant cause im unreg
[00:40] <MythbuntuGuest83> how do i reg
[00:43] <MythbuntuGuest83> i found the link
[01:55] <rp_> hello
[01:56] <rp_> not new to linux but I am new to myth
[01:56] <rp_> I intstalled mythbuntu 7.1 but came up short where my dvb card was not recognized.
[01:56] <rp_> I was reading about some modprobe commands.
[01:57] <rp_> before I get ahead of myself.... any here familiar with a twinhan vp1020a for NorthAmerican use?
[01:57] <the-cyborg> v4l-dvb is your friend
[01:58] <rp_> v41-dvb is a command? package?  user?
[01:59] <the-cyborg> google v4l-dvb and mercurial
[01:59] <rp_> thanks.
[01:59] <rp_> be right back
[02:06] <rp_> I forgot how to register....(dummy me)
[02:06] <rp_> something like "/msg register nick email pass"
[02:10] <the-cyborg> it's /msg nickserv REGISTER <password>
[02:21] <defendguin> all of a sudden my computer has absolutely no free space?   i didn't think this was supposed to be able to happen?
[02:21] <defendguin> sorry my mythtv box
[02:22] <defendguin> i need to delete some videos i guess.  i am sshed in where are all the archives kept?
[02:23] <defendguin> nm  i guess i found it
[04:49] <newcoventry> i'm having a slight issue running the livecd (md5 sum is good)
[04:49] <newcoventry> my setup is using a television via nvidia svideo out, do I need to run it through a monitor for initial run of the livecd
[04:51] <newcoventry> i see the boot image (mythbuntu logo) and scroll bar, it flashes an error regarding my wireless card, then cuts to black
[05:05] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[05:06] <Dr_willis> For My systems with nvidia cards. If i have ONLY a tv plugged in at power up (boot up) then the system defaults to using the tv out.
[05:06] <Dr_willis> But that may be only with the nvidia drivers.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Actually i had one system that had a TV and monitor and it defaulted to the TV. which had me confused.. Id see the boot stuff on the pc monitor then nothing.. then hear the gnome start up sound. and a black screen.  Then the wife turned on the tv. and there was the desktop
[05:18] <newcoventry> i am running mythtv on an edgy system through the box currently and it loads through television perfectly, but it really is not happy with the mythbuntu livecd for some reason
[05:21] <Dr_willis> i never use the live cd.. other then to install.. so cant help ya much.  Its possible there is some version issues with the livecd and the mythtv server
[05:25] <newcoventry> i am going to test it through a monitor tomorrow to see if the nvidia card is the culprit
[05:26] <Dr_willis> I seem to recall my 6800 nvidia card defaulted one way.. and the 5500 (?) i think  defaulted another way..
[05:26] <Dr_willis> not sure about this 8800 i got now.
[05:35] <levander> I've got to make a decision.  I definitely want to use GNOME, not XFCE.  Do I install mythbuntu-desktop and then whatever package for the GNOME stuff.  Or, should I install ubuntu-desktop and then whatever package for the mythtv suff?
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Ive done it both ways
[05:37] <Dr_willis> what cd do you have now? mythbuntu or ubuntu?
[05:37] <levander> Dr_willis: Oddly, I have both right now.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> May as well install ubuntu, then install the mythtv packages then.
[05:38] <levander> Dr_willis: If I do it that way, will myth "auto-login" on bootup and start the front-end?
[05:38] <levander> That's what I'm afraid of if I do it that way.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> You can always enable autologin i guess.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> its not hard to enable. :)
[05:38] <levander> Dr_willis: how?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> edit the gdm configs some how. I always DISABLE autologin. :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> actually i think there was some mythubuntu tool that also enable/disabled it
[05:39] <levander> k, least I know where to get started looking now
[05:51] <Mersault> So this is just bizarre. I've installed ubuntu server 7.10, and the user created isn't in the sudoers file, and isn't part of the sudo group. So I have a user account, and no access to root?
[05:51] <Mersault> wtf?
[05:55] <levander> Mersault: boot into rescue mode, and add the users to those groups on the command prompt
[05:56] <levander> rescue mode puts you at a root prompt
[05:57] <Mersault> I know
[05:57] <Mersault> it's already fixed
[05:57] <Mersault> but really... wtf?
[05:57] <Mersault> how the hell did it happen in the first place? who let the server disc into the wild when it behaves like that?
[06:10] <yorkie> which channel is best for help on new install, mythtv-users or this one?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> yorkie,  hang out in both. :0 its also a good idea to check the homepage/docs/wiki pages. :)
[06:15] <yorkie> been doing lots of reading - can't get schedules for some reason - have set up account and paid $20 - account shows active, must be local but not sure what - I followed http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbuntu_installation.pdf
[08:05] <lwizardl> hi
[08:06] <foxbuntu> lwizardl, hi
[08:06] <foxbuntu> :)
[08:06] <foxbuntu> here is what I can tell you
[08:08] <foxbuntu> post detailed information about your card and the issues you are having in the forums for now, and we will try to answer it as quickly as we can. Most of us that support this are in a US timezone, so right now its late and no one is here..but we do check the forums often
[08:08] <lwizardl> i'm in the usa
[08:08] <lwizardl> michigan :)
[08:08] <lwizardl> i'm just a night owl
[08:08] <foxbuntu> im in IA
[08:08] <foxbuntu> as am I, however I was just headed to bed
[08:09] <foxbuntu> so forums is safeest bet, but you can also drop your question here and wait for someone to see it
[08:09] <foxbuntu> are you using Mythbuntu?
[08:09] <foxbuntu> or what is your Distro?
[08:10] <lwizardl> trying to use mythbuntu yes
[08:10] <foxbuntu> well you have come to the right place...this is the Mythbuntu support channel
[08:10] <lwizardl> but it seems to have a problem with my PVR-150 card & my ATSC 110
[08:10] <foxbuntu> and that is our support Forum
[08:10] <foxbuntu> PVR-150 should be no problem
[08:11] <foxbuntu> are they both in PCI slots next to each other?
[08:11] <lwizardl> yeah thats what I was told but for some reason the channels on the 150 overlap even when just using the one card
[08:11] <foxbuntu> overlap how?
[08:12] <lwizardl> yes they are I just got my 110 yesterday
[08:12] <foxbuntu> I would suggest seperating them (empty slot between) if you can
[08:12] <lwizardl> like a mixture of Fox & NBC blending
[08:12] <foxbuntu> im not sure what you mean by blending
[08:13] <lwizardl> take 2 pictures and overlap them
[08:13] <foxbuntu> like you end up with both channels in your recordings
[08:13] <lwizardl> yes and live
[08:14] <foxbuntu> how do you have your cable/dish set top box plugged in?
[08:14] <foxbuntu> (into the tuner)
[08:14] <lwizardl> antenna into pvr-150 and i got the overlapping
[08:14] <foxbuntu> std RCA? Coax?
[08:14] <lwizardl> antenna into atsc 110 now but I can't get the card working
[08:15] <lwizardl> yes coax
[08:15] <foxbuntu> just regular over the air stuff then?
[08:15] <lwizardl> yup
[08:15]  * foxbuntu is pondering possible causes
[08:17] <lwizardl> i figured I'd use the pvr-150 for recording SD becuase the built in hardware mpeg encoder, the atsc 110 for HD only because it doesn't have a built in hardware mpeg encoder, and then I'd add a DVB card later for the unencrypter satellite stuff
[08:17] <lwizardl> *unencrypted
[08:20] <foxbuntu> DVB cards can be tricky to make work, right now they are not supported becuase they are not 100% legal with the Sat companies
[08:20] <foxbuntu> but there is some work in progress there
[08:21] <foxbuntu> lwizardl, I am stumpped on this one right now...I would say just post in the forums with as much detail as you can and someone will see it soon
[08:22] <foxbuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[08:22] <foxbuntu> good luck...I gotta run
[08:22] <lwizardl> foxbuntu, yeah i can understand how they might not like them I heard some cards can get everything on some sats but I just plan to get the educational stuff that is free
[08:35] <directhex> dvb is perfectly legal
[08:36] <directhex> decrypting encrypted content without a vendor-permitted CAM less so
[08:37] <lwizardl> i'd just be interested in stuff listed at lyngsat
[12:07] <frink_> yo yo yo
[12:20] <winther> hi
[12:23] <winther> I live in a students hostel with 400 parties. We want to put a media pc and a beamer in our tv room. So I am currently exploring the options and found mythtv to fit quite well what I read about it. However I have some questions. Is it possible to set up the computer in a way that I will have a XServer (or whatever, if anything else is possible) only with the MythTV client application? No gnome, kde or any other application
[12:26] <directhex|bsp> yes
[12:27] <directhex|bsp> the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package will log the system into a mythtv-only account on boot by default
[12:27] <directhex|bsp> or you could hack something up by hand
[12:29] <winther> directhex: that is good news. I would like to use a VIA EPIA 5000AG as hardware. it "only" has a 500Mhz processor. Is that enough for the client? The server will run on a dedicated server.
[12:30] <winther> this would be all technical data: http://shop2.topnetworks.de/product_info.php/info/p543_VIA-EPIA-5000AG-533MHz-MiniITX.html
[12:32] <directhex|bsp> bottom-of-the-range epias? you'll need to keep an eye on the bandwidth requirements of the recordings, and probably run a very heavily optimized linux system. and on top of that, expect periodic slowdown
[12:33] <winther> directhex: ok, so I need faster Hardware :)
[12:33] <winther> what would you suggest?
[12:36] <directhex|bsp> that depends on the budget, which by the sounds of it will be limited
[12:38] <winther> we calculate 400-600€ for the beamer and about 200€ for the PC. For the beginning we plan touse only low budget sound system, but the PC should have connectors for a quality sound sysytem for later upgrade.
[12:39] <directhex|bsp> i'm not sure on your terminology here. "beamer"?
[12:41] <winther> oh, I guess it is a foreign word then. I look it up
[12:41] <winther> it is a video projector
[12:41] <directhex|bsp> ah, i see
[12:42] <directhex|bsp> what kind of tv recordings are you planning on making?
[12:43] <winther> actually tv recordings would be only a bonus, but not a requirement. And if I seperate client and server app, would not the server do the recording (the server would have the required power)?
[12:52] <directhex|bsp> yes, the server would do the recording. but the demands on the client will vary depending on the type of recording
[12:53] <directhex|bsp> as some recordings require more CPU time than others
[12:53] <winther> directhex: now I get it
[12:54] <winther> We would like to use mpeg2ts streams from a dvb-s card provided via http and varios media files like up to 800*600 divx/mp4/h264
[12:54] <directhex|bsp> the two types of tuner i'd imagine you'd be interested in germany are directly received digital TV signals (using, for example, a DVB-T card for regular antenna reception) and analog mpeg2 encoder cards, which take a feed in and turn it into an mpeg2 data stream (hauppauge pvr-series are the most popular, you'd usually use something like this if you're forced to use a satellite or cable set-top box in front of mythtv)
[12:55] <directhex|bsp> you might get away with an epia for that, but not at 500mhz, especially for h264. think faster
[12:56] <directhex|bsp> the ideal, actually, is a new board intel have released. same price or cheaper than an epia, but much faster
[12:56] <directhex|bsp> let me find it...
[12:56] <winther> that sounds great
[12:57] <directhex|bsp> http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D201GLY2/index.htm
[12:58] <directhex|bsp> stick a PCI nvidia card on that, and it'll actually play anything you throw at it with ease. except HD.
[13:01] <winther> 65€ that is awsome
[13:01] <winther> thank you very much directhex|bsp
[13:01] <directhex|bsp> it's the best i can suggest on your budget
[13:01] <samson--> neat board directhex|bsp
[13:02] <directhex|bsp> it should give you room to pick a nice case. plus essentials like ram, disk drives
[13:02] <samson--> directhex|bsp: what nvidia card are you referring to?
[13:02] <directhex|bsp> samson--, any. doesn't matter. pci nvidia will do better than onboard SiS
[13:02] <samson--> it was my understanding that nvidia tv tuners dont work well under linux
[13:03] <directhex|bsp> samson--, nvidia tv-out is fine
[13:03] <samson--> directhex|bsp: oh, you werent talking about having this as a tuner system
[13:03] <samson--> yeah, i guess it would work great as a frontend
[13:03] <directhex|bsp> samson--, i got confused myself - as far as i can tell, winther will have a separate backend with tuners in it,s o this is purely a FE budget
[13:05] <samson--> directhex|bsp: yeah, i'm already looking at this and thinking of how i could use it as a frontend for my bedroom
[13:05] <samson--> at the moment i just have a FE/BE combo in my living room
[13:05] <winther> We have already set up a server with 4 dvb-s cards who provides about 30 channels via http to the lan. Now We want to put a multimedia pc in the tv room and connect it to a video projector. Additionally to playing the mpeg2 tv streams it should be able to play a dvd and video/audio files that were put on a smb share by the users.
[13:43] <winther> see you guys. Thanks again for your Help directhex|bsp
[16:08] <tgm4883> beavis, ping
[16:08] <beavis> hi
[16:09] <tgm4883> beavis, i made a few updates to the notifier, it will now ask for user input for the ip address and port and write that to a file
[16:09] <tgm4883> I just need to get it to read from that file too
[16:09] <beavis> does it ask every time you start the notifier?
[16:09] <tgm4883> which im not too sure on
[16:10] <tgm4883> well right now it does, thats why I need to get it to read from the file
[16:10] <tgm4883> so if the file exists, it doesnt
[16:11] <beavis> so you create a file in ~/.mythtv but you can't read it?
[16:12] <tgm4883> well i don't know how to get it to read from that file yet, but yea, it creates a file there
[16:12] <tgm4883> and writes to it
[16:13] <beavis> ok give me a minute
[16:14] <beavis> f=open('/tmp/workfile', 'w') <-- something like this doesn't work?
[16:14] <beavis> print f
[16:15] <beavis> or readline()
[16:15] <tgm4883> yea that works, but I haven't tried the readline part yet.
[16:16] <tgm4883> fi = open(os.path.join(os.getenv("HOME"), '.mythtv/mythbackend-notifier.config'), 'w')
[16:16] <tgm4883> thats the first line
[16:16] <tgm4883> for opening the file
[16:16] <beavis>     fileHandle = open ( 'test.txt' )
[16:16] <beavis>     print fileHandle.read()
[16:16] <beavis>     fileHandle.close()
[16:16] <beavis> yes try to print fi after that
[16:17] <beavis> if you want to read one line only take readline()
[16:17] <tgm4883> but how do I look for the file to see if it already exists?
[16:17] <tgm4883> brb, need a cup of coffee
[16:20] <beavis> os.path.exists()
[16:20] <beavis> os.path.isfile()
[16:21] <beavis> I mean:
[16:21] <beavis>   import os.path
[16:21] <beavis>   os.path.isfile('somefile')
[16:22] <beavis> and with this code you can check every line separately:
[16:22] <beavis>     fileHandle = open ( 'test.txt' )
[16:22] <beavis>     fileList = fileHandle.readlines()
[16:22] <beavis>     for fileLine in fileList:
[16:22] <beavis>        print '>>', fileLine
[16:22] <beavis>     fileHandle.close()
[16:30] <tgm4883> back
[17:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[17:54] <MilhousePunkRock> My system wakes up both from suspend and from hibernate with ACPI alarm, but not from a real power off state...
[17:56] <MilhousePunkRock> I have edited the hwclock as suggested in the Ubuntu wiki regarding ACPI wakeup, so that the wake up time gets written again after the hw clock is set, but that does not help
[19:47] <justinh> evening all
[19:48] <justinh> Daviey: had any inkling as to where the 'mythfest' might be held yet?
[19:53] <wilberfan> morning room....
[19:55] <wilberfan> just installed 7.10...  it looks pretty awesome!  i don't know how to actually DO anything with it yet...but it looks cool....
[21:28] <wilberfan> hello, boys and girls...!
[21:29] <wilberfan> i'm a brand, spanky new mythbuntu user...wondering how complicated it is to get TV-out with my hauppauge pvr-350...
[21:29] <wilberfan> any idea where i should start?
[21:33] <wilberfan> and what does 'gargly' audio mean??
[21:33] <wilberfan> :\
[21:51] <directhex> wilberfan, best option is: don't. tv-out on 350s sucks
[21:52] <wilberfan> well, that's unfortunate.   I JUST bought the damn thing...
[21:52] <wilberfan> :(
[21:52] <wilberfan> what's a better option??
[21:53] <wilberfan> i just saw a tv-out bug listing for the 350 somewhere...
[21:53] <directhex> a better option is any graphics card with tv-out. like a $10 nvidia
[21:54] <directhex> the 350 isn't worth buying. the only things it does that a 150 doesn't, it  sucks at
[21:54] <wilberfan> well, i DO have an nvidia geforce 5200 in this box...
[22:07] <unicron> hello world
[22:07] <unicron> I am having a straing problem I hope someone can help me.
[22:12] <unicron> I just built a DVR using an ITOX System Board based on the Intel® 855GME Graphics Memory Controller Hub
[22:12] <jakemonO> wilberfan: I just got my 350 to TV out last night...
[22:15] <jakemonO> reference this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=615070 , superm1 has a mythbuntu build on his  server, if you just point apt at t and let it update mythbuntu, you should be good to go -you. I oly got mine to work after getting x-windows running on the tv as well, that's a bit of a trick, but worth it if you are using mythv as a set top box
[23:01] <levander> I'm thinking I want to install ubuntu-desktop, and then mythtv on top of it.  If I do it that way, what features of mythbuntu am I missing out on?
[23:03] <directhex> some of the tight integration stuff
[23:03] <directhex> strictly speaking, the main one is mythbuntu-control-center, which you can install later anyway
[23:05] <levander> directhex: I saw some thing about configuring tv-out when I installed the mythbuntu CD, can I still have mythbuntu auto-configure tv out for me if I install ubuntu-desktop first?
[23:06] <directhex> dunno. i use vga
[23:06] <levander> What about having mythtv-frontend auto-login for me?  How's that done if I don't install full blow mythbuntu?
[23:09] <directhex> that's done by the the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package
[23:34] <emarkd> anyone around who can help me with lirc?
[23:46] <unicron> i might be able to help you on lirc some depends
[23:47] <unicron> the mythbuntu live install dosn't apper to support my video!!!  but every other live linux cd runs perfect??? any suggestions
[23:48] <directhex> what is your video?
[23:48] <unicron> well I am running an ITX mother board made by ITOX the chip set is intel 855GME Graphics controller
[23:50] <directhex> i855 should be fine
[23:50] <unicron> the disc bootsup with the mythbuntu and the purple line going back n forth, but when it gets to the X desktop it goes black and never shows anything...
[23:50] <unicron> I know that linux is running I can hit the power button and linux goes thur the shutdown as normal..
[23:51] <unicron> if I try safe graphics mode then things go really bad!
[23:51] <directhex> must be a monitor autodetect issue
[23:52] <unicron> In safe graphics mode it goes from a scrambled x desktop running at what looks like higer than 1024X768 to text back in forth
[23:53] <unicron> then a few min later it comes up and says..
[23:54] <unicron> gnome video had detected video drop 6 times in 90 seconds, wait 2 min try again,  or something to that fact...
[23:55] <unicron> I'm not real good with linux yet, but can I force mythbuntu to loadup at a low resolution to get to the x desktop??
[23:57] <unicron> I know there are command line options you can issue at boot time but I don't know any for setting resolution....
[23:57] <directhex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[23:58] <unicron> cool, thanks
[23:58] <directhex> time for bed


[13:09] <FourDollars> Hi, I found a regression for autopkgtest on jammy. Seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopkgtest/+bug/2008026/comments/17 for details.
[13:21] <FourDollars> Sorry. It is my own problem.


[14:48] <yano> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/23/https_dday_google_chrome/
[14:48] <jenni> [ Google Chrome: HTTPS by default D-Day is tomorrow, folks • The Register ] - https://bit.ly/2O9qSMg


[06:07] <NCommander> amitk, ping
[07:30] <NCommander> How does updateconfigs work? (i.e., I don't get how the common config is generated ...)
[08:37] <amitk> NCommander: if you add a new Kconfig option, running updateconfigs will prompt you for that config option for all flavours
[08:38] <NCommander> amitk, I got that far :-)
[08:38] <NCommander> amitk, its more figuring out what the configuration options should be on the new ones :-)
[08:39]  * NCommander is already mostly done, just finishing sparc config
[08:39] <amitk> you just have to know that. updateconfigs can't read developers minds yet :)
[08:39] <NCommander> amitk, Its tedious work
[08:39]  * amitk nods
[08:40] <NCommander> Once I finish 2.6.27, I'll start doing test builds
[08:40]  * NCommander has access to all the port architectures :-)!
[08:40] <amitk> sweet
[08:41] <NCommander> amitk, find out about the kernel.u.c. account?
[08:41]  * NCommander would like a place to hang his tree
[08:45] <amitk> NCommander: will shoot off email today
[08:45] <NCommander> \o\ /o/
[08:46] <NCommander> amitk, generally, if something can be built as a module, it gets built as that. That's the rule of thumb I followed for kernel configuration updating (Linus added at least 30-40 new config options 25 -> 27 ;.;)
[08:52] <amitk> NCommander: probably fine for now, for Jaunty we might turn that rule over its head to improve on boot times.
[08:52] <NCommander> amitk, I already put a note that we need to sanity check the config files
[08:52] <NCommander> (make sure no insane options for an architecture is there)
[08:54] <NCommander> WOOOOOO
[08:54] <NCommander> finally
[08:54] <NCommander> rebased
[08:57] <NCommander> amitk, stupid question, how do I generate a new abi folder? (its pretty clear that 2.6.25 -> 2.6.27 will break an ABI)
[09:01] <abogani> Nafallo: Build process generate it automatically
[09:01] <abogani> Nafallo: Sorry
[09:01] <abogani> I meant NCommander :-)
[09:01] <NCommander> ah
[09:02] <NCommander> so now I get to see how miserable the ABI broke in two releases
[09:02] <NCommander> woow
[09:02] <abogani> ;)
[09:02] <NCommander> so whats sauce?
[09:21] <NCommander> amitk, ^
[09:27] <amitk> NCommander: any patch that isn't upstream yet (those that _should_ go upstream + those that will never go upstream)
[09:28] <NCommander> amitk, oh, that makes sense, anyway, 2.6.27 is building via debuild, so I haven't completely destoried the world yet ;-)
[10:39] <NCommander> amitk, hola
[10:55] <mdz> it looks like 263059 may have been caused by ftrace
[11:17] <NCommander> amitk, I just discovered linux-ports-meta doesn't depend on linux-firmware. Care to help fix that?
[13:39] <NCommander> hey BenC
[13:53]  * NCommander now has a building linux-port 2.6.27 kernel :-)!
[13:56] <BenC> NCommander: hey
[13:56] <NCommander> Morning BenC :-)
[13:56] <NCommander> I need some help resolving one last issue with linux-ports-meta before intrepid goes. I discovered this morning that linux-ports-meta doesn't depend on linux-firmware
[13:58] <NCommander> BenC, care to help?
[14:17] <NCommander> BenC, poke?
[14:21] <Keybuk> rtg: which ftrace options did you change?
[14:23] <rtg> Keybuk: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=67d9b90a1c844bf1c6daaffd2c60561fc8c445f7
[14:24] <BenC> NCommander: Ok
[14:24]  * NCommander has a git patch, but is somewhat confused by the current linux-ports-meta package
[14:25] <Keybuk> the explanation doesn't really make sense though
[14:25] <Keybuk> it blames a bug on module _unload_
[14:25] <Keybuk> when we're not unloading modules
[14:25] <Keybuk> (both for e1000 and iwl3945)
[14:25] <mjg59> Keybuk: also discarding of init sections
[14:25] <Keybuk> mjg59: -v ?
[14:25] <mjg59> Keybuk: The ftrace issue also arises when the __init sections of modules are discarded after module load
[14:27] <Keybuk> I guess that certainly fits the pattern of where the iwl3945 hang was occurring
[14:29] <rtg> Keybuk: can you reproduce it anymore?
[14:29] <Keybuk> nope
[14:30] <rtg> Keybuk: well, I guess that's proof positive.
[14:30] <Keybuk> something about the way iwl3945 works was causing corruption of ioremapped memory if another module's __init was discarded while it was initialising ??
[14:32] <rtg> Keybuk: got me. I didn't dig into it nearly that deep.
[14:36] <Keybuk> me neither, I don't really understand this level of stuff ;)
[14:36] <Keybuk> I could go and learn, but I'm more inclined to nod sweetly, back away, and stay in my comfort zone :p
[14:37] <rtg> Keybuk: that's pretty much my attitude. I'm buried with other issues.
[14:37] <rtg> there seems to be plenty of confirmation that this fixes it.
[14:37]  * NCommander needs someone who has no fear to help fix the -ports-meta package
[14:38] <Keybuk> obviously someone should post to lkml that disabling ftrace has fixed another issue with another Intel driver ;)
[14:39] <rtg> Keybuk: i bugged the wireless folks last week about it, so I'll at least let them know what the solution was.
[14:43] <BenC> NCommander: A Git patch?
[14:48] <NCommander> BenC, linux-ports-meta is maintained in git
[14:48] <NCommander> (aka git format-patchs)
[14:50] <BenC> NCommander: hmm...not sure why, but ok
[14:51] <Keybuk> rtg: is there a bug about the iwl3945 kill switch state not changing in userspace?
[14:51] <rtg> Keybuk: yep. hang on...
[14:52] <rtg> Keybuk: probably this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/193970
[14:52] <NCommander> BenC, I just made a realization; the ports kernel still has the firmwares compiled in as blobs so that change is unnecessary :-)
[14:52] <rtg> Keybuk: I think slangasek uploaded something in pm-utils to accommodate a sysfs change.
[14:53] <BenC> NCommander: that doesn't pull in the linux-firmware stuff
[14:53] <NCommander> BenC, I don't think its needed unless I'm mistaken
[14:54] <BenC> NCommander: probably not...what about qla or aic scsi firmware?
[14:54] <NCommander> BenC, TBH, I dunno. My powerpc doesn't have any devices that requires firmware
[14:55] <NCommander> BenC, I have the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/60124/
[15:02] <BenC> NCommander: You don't want to add it to linux
[15:02] <BenC> NCommander: It needs to be added to linux-image-* if anything
[15:02] <NCommander> BenC, that's how it was changed in linux-lpia ...
[15:03] <BenC> NCommander: then linux-lpia did it wrong :) Check linux-meta
[15:03] <NCommander> Ah
[15:03] <NCommander> I see
[15:03] <NCommander> BenC, in that case, care to sponsor two commits, and two sponsors ;-)?
[15:06] <NCommander> BenC, http://paste.ubuntu.com/60126/
[15:22] <NCommander> Woo, linux-ports 2.6.27 on PowerPC builds!
[15:44] <NCommander> BenC, is my patch ok?
[15:49] <BenC> NCommander: best to ask someone who is actually handling that tree...I don't know enough about it
[15:51]  * NCommander looks up Stefan Bader's IRC name
[15:52] <rtg> NCommander: smb, but he doesn't appear to be around this morning.
[15:53] <NCommander> argh
[15:53]  * BenC wonders where he is
[15:53]  * NCommander turns on the smb light
[15:54]  * NCommander hopes he'll see the Critical bug on linux-ports-meta
[16:04] <NCommander> BenC, out of curosity, what are the requirements of getting a kernel.u.c account
[16:34] <BenC> NCommander: Not much...I'll get your account processed today or tomorrow
[16:34] <BenC> NCommander: inbox is flooded from weekend
[17:05] <G__81> i am interested in being part of kernel team. How can i help
[17:05] <G__81> i have some linux internal knowledge on how networking subsystem works to an extent. I have one system and have installed Ibex 8.10 in Ibex
[17:13] <rtg> G__81: start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam and here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance. Also subscribe to the kernel team mailing list.
[17:14] <rtg> here are the list of bugs that need working on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/intrepid-buglist.html
[17:18] <G__81> Yeah thanks i would look into it
[21:01] <mnemo> if you cherry pick this 2.6.28 patch for intrepid you will enable users with intel G45 motherboards to boot the ibex --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/285572
[21:02] <mnemo> i've tested this patch applied to intrepid's .27 kernel and it works perfectly (instead of freeze on xorg login I get full compiz with no xorg.conf hacks)
[21:02] <mnemo> I tested it on a "Gigabyte GA-EG45M-DS2" board but I'm fairly sure it applies to all the G45 desktop motherboards
[21:03] <mnemo> the patch itself is very non-intrusive and doesn't modify any code on non-G45 code paths
[21:38] <Ng> rtg: I think my boot crash is sorted now, just did 31 reboots with 2.6.27-7.12 and it didn't happen
[21:40] <Ng> did the weird 3965 crash disappear as well?
[23:52] <doctormo> Do you guys know about the regression in 2.6.24-21-generic? involves snd_hda_intel and snd_hda_codec missing symbols.
[23:54] <doctormo> lamont: because it's a bitch to have to recompile the kernel to fix the problem.