[00:05] <awilkins_> Ok looks like my second problem was : Ubuntu wasn't installed in EFI mode because my EFI boot partition wasn't marked with the "esp" flag
[00:05] <awilkins_> Apparently you need a lot of knowledge or actual ESP to find that out
[00:05] <awilkins_> So Winders refused to share a drive with it because there was no ESP partition
[00:06] <daftykins> mmm i would think a clean EFI boot and a freshly made EFI boot partition would have had that handled by ubiquity fine
[00:06] <awilkins_> Now reinstalling Ubuntu in UEFI mode, I hope
[00:06] <daftykins> i'd put Windows on first ;x
[00:06] <awilkins_> Made the partitions in gparted
[00:06] <awilkins_> I would have done too!
[00:06] <awilkins_> But I was following an askubuntu question that advocates doing the Ubuntu bits first
[00:06] <daftykins> sorry i'm probably sounding a lot like captain hindsight this evening :(
[00:07] <awilkins_> Nah, tis OK
[00:08] <awilkins_> I'm learnign stuff
[00:08] <daftykins> guy in #ubuntu has a very modern asus gaming laptop that the M.2 Samsung PM951 SSD isn't even being detected in
[00:09] <daftykins> TJ the genius reckons it's another buggy BIOS on the ACPI bits
[00:10] <awilkins_> Tell him to turn off the RAID controller
[00:11] <awilkins_> I have an HP laptop with an m.2 card in it
[00:11] <awilkins_> Wasn't properly detected until I turned off the Intel RAID in the BIOS
[00:12] <awilkins_> Laptop came pre-configured with it as an acceleration disk in an Intel RST / Matrix RAID
[00:12] <awilkins_> I carefully unenrolled it from the RST
[00:12] <awilkins_> So I could back up the raw WIndows disk image
[00:12] <awilkins_> on the spinning rust
[00:13] <awilkins_> Then turned it off in the BIOS and used it as dm-cache volume
[00:13] <daftykins> the odd thing is both drives show up in Windows, normally those cacheing ones hide the SSD inside Windows?
[00:14] <awilkins_> I can't remember
[00:25] <awilkins_> OK, reinstalled Ubuntu in UEFI mode
[00:25] <awilkins_> Huzzah
[00:25] <awilkins_> Now the Windows 10 USB stick refuses to boot
[00:25]  * awilkins_ facepalms
[00:28] <penguin42> awilkins_: How did you back it up
[00:28]  * awilkins_ derps a bt
[00:28] <awilkins_> Wrong stick
[00:28] <penguin42> haha
[00:29] <daftykins> 8D
[00:29] <daftykins> we can't blame windows for everything ;)
[00:29] <daftykins> oof i need to be in bed for an early cabling job again
[00:29] <daftykins> working patch panel \o/
[00:30] <awilkins_> Was trying to boot my backup
[00:30] <awilkins_> stick
[00:32] <awilkins_> YES
[00:32] <awilkins_> It no longer refuses to install on my filthy Linux-infested disk
[00:33] <awilkins_> Soon I will experience the multifarious joys of finding a bazillion driver downloads!
[00:37] <awilkins_> Windows is doing some naughty things like squirting random data at my optical out
[00:37] <awilkins_> My speakers are making crackly noises
[00:40] <daftykins> o0
[00:40] <daftykins> must be probing you :>
[00:40] <daftykins> you won't have much to do at all in 10 land if your media is the 10586 build :>
[00:44] <awilkins_> No idea
[00:45] <awilkins_> Just turned off all but one of the optional settings
[00:45] <awilkins_> Like "send all my browser history to MS" and "connect to wifi hotspots automatically so random strangers can 'spoit you"
[00:46] <awilkins_> It's now on it's fourth reboot and second prolonged period of black screen that you dare not reset because it might break something
[00:47] <awilkins_> Aha, a throbber... and actual questions
[00:47] <awilkins_> "We're Happy That You're HWere"
[00:48] <awilkins_> "Lots of great features to get excited about"
[00:48] <awilkins_> The background is pulsating hypnotically
[00:48] <awilkins_> SHARE AND ENJOY
[00:50] <awilkins_> First things first
[00:50] <awilkins_> GPU drivers
[00:50] <awilkins_> Then I can use it in nonfuzzyvision
[00:51] <awilkins_> As if by magic, it's also popped up a "display driver updated" notifier
[00:51] <daftykins> does all that itself these days :>
[00:52] <awilkins_> I'll check the driver it's using..
[00:52] <awilkins_> But I'll probably still install the nvidia ones
[00:52] <awilkins_> They have a nifty utily that configures all your games for maximum pretty
[00:53] <daftykins> eww i avoid experience entirely :>
[00:53] <daftykins> but then my desktop is so old now it's not up to playing much
[00:55] <awilkins_> I have a 980Ti
[00:55] <daftykins> ooh
[00:55] <daftykins> 560Ti here :>
[00:55] <awilkins_> It allows maximum pretty at 1980x1080 for basically everything I've thrown at it
[00:55] <awilkins_> I had the 560Ti before that
[00:55] <daftykins> i should hope so, wasn't it the best part of £400 in tax land?
[00:56] <awilkins_> Yeah
[00:56] <awilkins_> Well, rahter more I think
[00:56] <awilkins_> Was going to build a new system but I saw some benchmarks that said that my CPU really only made 4fps difference
[00:57] <awilkins_> So just jammed more RAM in it and the new GPU
[00:57] <awilkins_> Woo, start page is v.pretty
[00:59] <awilkins_> Sound works
[00:59] <daftykins> how old? i'm still using a core 2 quad
[01:00] <diddledan> I'm in my thirties now, does that count?
[01:00] <awilkins_> i7-2700K
[01:01] <diddledan> I think I'm still running an old 8088 :-(
[01:02] <diddledan> I also need a memory upgrade implant
[01:04] <penguin42> diddledan: Trust me, it gets worse
[01:17] <daftykins> awilkins_: ah that's like the king of platforms that sandy generation :>
[01:24] <daftykins> wow that guy is locked to RAID mode in the BIOS and can't do a thing about that NVMe SSD - so that Asus laptop is totally suck on Windows
[01:34] <diddledan> o_O
[01:35] <diddledan> you can't turn off raid?!
[01:35] <diddledan> does that mean linux just cannot see your disks?
[01:37] <daftykins> yeah, TJ spotted that the kernel tries to enable it as an AHCI device instead of NVMe, fails, so only the 1TB mechanical and optical gets seen
[01:37] <daftykins> amazing
[01:37] <daftykins> heh i meant to say *stuck
[01:38] <penguin42> ooh NVMe, new pain and fun
[01:39] <daftykins> indeed :>
[01:39] <daftykins> someone was in with one of those Dell XPS 13 9350s a bit ago too, i think it required a 4.3 mainline kernel to even see the thing
[01:40] <penguin42> Dell tend to use standard but bleeding edge hardware
[01:40] <penguin42> which is fair enough I mean if people make new whizzy hardware then you may as well sell it
[01:40] <daftykins> mmm, the samsung NVMe M.2 SSDs in (some of) those are pretty new
[01:40] <daftykins> M.2 drives are actually so small though that they suffer from thermal throttling
[01:41] <daftykins> i read this today, they benchmark a drive with and without a heatsink: http://anandtech.com/show/9856/angelbird-wings-px1-m2-adapter-review-do-ssds-need-heatsinks
[01:41] <penguin42> wow
[01:41] <daftykins> in some modes, it doubles the speed
[01:41] <daftykins> ok i gotta sleep :) nn folks \o
[01:41] <penguin42> double wow
[01:42] <penguin42> nn
[05:39] <MartijnVdS> *reads Guardian front page* wow.. you have ginger extremists now?
[05:42] <zmoylan-pi> and all the buggers need do is wear a hat to hide in normal society!!
[05:42] <zmoylan-pi> BAN HATS!!
[05:42] <MartijnVdS> 👍
[05:43] <diddledan> what's chris evans up to now?
[05:43] <zmoylan-pi> running ginger propaganda show on tv i think
[05:50] <diddledan> it's nearly time to wake up I guess
[05:50] <zmoylan-pi> but as stupid as this story is a lot of ginger kids will get bullied more because of it :-/
[06:46] <mapps> morning
[08:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:45] <MooDoo> diddledan: : I think that was only a few eps, he's on radio 2 at the moment
[09:40] <diddledan> is it christmas yet?
[09:42] <Myrtti> I wish
[09:43] <MooDoo> not till tomorrow at 2pm, then I can start enjoying it
[10:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:36] <DJones> diddledan: Ony a day and half to go, and you know what that means......Only 2.5 days till you can start buying easter eggs
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> some shops already have them in
[12:38] <diddledan> \o/
[12:38] <diddledan> eggylicious
[12:40] <brobostigon> eggtacular
[12:40] <Myrtti> back when I was a kid, Kinder eggs were available only for Easter
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> for us that was cadbury creme eggs but they lasted on shelves for longer and longer till they were all year round
[12:42] <penguin42> there's a Spar in Manc that was still selling them a couple of months back
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> this year they changed the recipie and are supposed to be icky
[12:44] <penguin42> worse, they changed the chocolate, which was the only nice bit....
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> lets take something that people have fond memories off and change it...
[12:55] <ali1234> penguin42: you're not supposed to eat the toy
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> the toys in kinder now are terrible...  silly plastic models instead of toys you had to assemble like in 80s
[12:59] <diddledan> I remember pining after the terrapins back in the 90s
[13:00] <penguin42> ali1234: I thought we wre talking about the cadburys eggs
[14:41] <foobarry> git push
[14:41] <foobarry> and i'm done
[14:43] <MooDoo> nic
[14:43] <MooDoo> nice
[14:45] <diddledan> foobarry, finished for xmas now?
[14:50] <MooDoo> I'm not till 2pm omorrow
[21:40] <dogmatic69> hi all
[21:41] <dogmatic69> anyone got an idea how I can manually give a user sudo? Doing it via live disk so there is no useradd etc.
[21:41] <dogmatic69> need to do it with nano
[21:43] <dogmatic69> :(
[21:47] <penguin42> dogmatic69: two ways, either edit the /etc/sudoers (or /etc/sudoers.d) or add the user to wheel
[21:48] <dogmatic69> well was thinking to add the user to wheel group
[21:48] <dogmatic69> but cant find anything on where to do it, and what the format is.. I assume its /etc/group
[21:48] <penguin42> right, it's easy
[21:49] <penguin42> or it would be if there was a wheel group anymore...
[21:49] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Is there a wheel line in /etc/group ?
[21:49] <dogmatic69> its fedora btw
[21:49] <penguin42> not a problem
[21:50] <dogmatic69> and there is a wheel:x:10:otheruser
[21:50] <dogmatic69> and the wheel thing is in sudoers file
[21:50] <penguin42> ok, so add a ,youruser   to the end of that
[21:50] <dogmatic69> just :me
[21:50] <dogmatic69> ?
[21:51] <penguin42> dogmatic69: If you want to keep the other user also able to do it then make it wheel:x:10:otheruser,me     or   wheel:x:10:me
[21:51] <dogmatic69> ye need the other one
[21:51] <dogmatic69> ok, I will try that. fingers crossed...
[21:57] <dogmatic69> penguin42: thanks, worked great
[21:58] <penguin42> np
[22:01] <daftykins> kinda weird you'd come here for fedora help
[22:02] <penguin42> the even weirder question is wth the wheel group has gone on ubuntu
[22:04] <daftykins> i didn't even know one was called that
[22:04] <daftykins> isn't it admin now?
[22:05] <daftykins> ah no admin was old, 'sudo' is its own