[22:26] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:26] <Flannel> ed0n0n: Yeah, all folders.  Treat it as if they have a ssh login, whatever permissions they have when logged in.
[22:26] <eternaljoy> Roasted: whats FOG? :)
[22:26] <Daxie> What is FOG?
[22:26] <vocx> Roasted, you should probably provide more info with your questions. Anybody FOG? is not a good question.
[22:26] <eternaljoy> !FOG
[22:26] <Roasted> eternaljoy - Take Norton Ghost... but open source/free.
[22:26] <ed0n0n> port number for SSH? 22?
[22:26] <SlimeyPete> 22.
[22:26] <LjL> !fishing | eternaljoy
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: you install to an imagefile on your windows partition, you can uninstall from add/remove
[22:26] <eternaljoy> even ubottu doersnt know what FOG is :)
[22:27] <eternaljoy> ljL ok
[22:27] <Roasted> FOG is open source and based on either Fedora or Ubuntu... Ubuntu seems to be favored so I was hoping to find some users who use it.
[22:27] <eternaljoy> Roasted: does it do a boot CD?
[22:27] <howl> anyone else having trouble with firefox 3.0.7 and hulu in ubuntu?
[22:27] <DPic> i have some flac files that play in vlc but not anything that uses gstreamer (totem, rhythmbox, etc)
[22:28] <Roasted> eternaljoy - It works off of a server... I have 3 computers from work here with me. One has 8.10 running with FOG installed, the other two are XP Pro. Using FOG, I can image these computers via network boot over a localized LAN (no external access) on a 4 port 10/100 switch.
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> howl: hulu
[22:28] <Roasted> it runs great, I love it, I just ran into a very minor snag I can't seem to iron out...
[22:28] <eternaljoy> Roasted: so it cant be booted from a CD?
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> howl: whats hulu?
[22:28] <Roasted> eternaljoy - no, it's a tar.gz package you install within Ubuntu... it's recommended that you don't do anything else with it EXCEPT run it as a server.
[22:28] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: i wondered the same :P
[22:28] <eternaljoy> Roasted: ok
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> !info hulu
[22:29] <trollboy> ActionParsnip, american free tv streaming site
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> !find hulu
[22:29] <Roasted> eternaljoy - it's not like Clonezilla Live where you need a LiveCD for it. I've been down the CLonezilla path already. ;)
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> hulu.com :)
[22:29] <Z3ro3X> I just installed ubuntu 8.10 on my brothers Acer Aspire 5520 which supposedly has an Atheros wireless chipset.  The problem is it isn't working.
[22:29] <howl> ActionParsnip: hulu is a video site
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> oic
[22:29] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: man you are good at finding what yu want :)
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> hulu.com :)
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> yep - wife likes that site.
[22:29] <eternaljoy> Roasted: does Clonezilla boot from CD?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: good websearch skills (tip: dont ONLY use google)
[22:29] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: hehe
[22:30] <Z3ro3X> The network icon at the top right should give me a list of AP to connect to but it's not recognizing the wifi as far as I can tell.
[22:30] <gumbo> so do i need a firewall of some sort for ubuntu  if yes which one
[22:30] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:30] <oerter> Where in ubuntu does it tell you the amount of RAM you have?
[22:30] <Roasted> eternaljoy - Clonezilla has two versions... LiveCD for single computers and Server for imaging many computers at once, like computer labs or something. However, Clonezilla Server isn't as user friendly as FOG and I haven't even gotten it to work after 6 weeks of research, while FOG I got working in 3 hours.
[22:30] <dronix> z3ro3x: connect manually
[22:30] <LjL> oerter: try "free"
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: seriously, its really immature to only use google
[22:30] <Z3ro3X> dronix, I tried, didn't work.
[22:30] <LjL> !firewall | gumbo
[22:30] <vocx> gumbo, you don't need a firewall in general, only if you are paranoid.
[22:31] <howl> With the last update of firefox I'm not able to watch videos
[22:31] <eternaljoy> Roasted: does the LiveCD Clonezilla make images of FAT32, NTFS and EXT3 paritions?
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> !info firefox
[22:31] <howl> I'm wondering if anyone else has this problem
[22:31] <Mike94287> oerter: System -> System Monitor
[22:31] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: yeah i  hear ya
[22:31] <gumbo> yea i am because ubuntu is open source and a smart hacker would take advantage and find the holes in it
[22:31] <dronix> z3ro3x: did u install the drivers for your card?
[22:31] <gumbo> dont undermind the hackin community
[22:31] <eternaljoy> howl:  not me
[22:31] <Roasted> eternaljoy - to my knowledge, yes.
[22:31] <gerall> is it *really* possible to set a NIC to use a static IP using NetworkManager?
[22:31] <Mike94287> oerter: Oh sorry, System -> Administration -> System Monitor
[22:31] <eternaljoy> Roasted: where can I get it pleasse?
[22:32] <Z3ro3X> dronix, The proprietary hardware thingy that poped up when I installed said it has the atheros driver installed yet the network manager at the top isn't showing it.
[22:32] <Roasted> http://clonezilla.org/
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> gerall: ive always used /etc/network/interfaces file
[22:32] <vocx> gumbo, that doesn't make sense. What holes? You don't even know what you are talking about. You are paranoid simply put
[22:32] <Roasted> eternaljoy - are you looking to just back up a single computer?
[22:32] <jean99> bsoir tt le monde
[22:32] <ruairidh> jean99, anglais stp
[22:32] <jean99> kk1 qui parle francais ici
[22:33] <gumbo> damn are you serious
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> !fr
[22:33] <jean99> merci
[22:33] <Z3ro3X> dronix, On the bottom of the notebook it says it has the atheros ar5bxb63 chipset.
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> ce rien
[22:33] <eternaljoy> Roasted: yes
[22:33] <gumbo> woops sorry for language
[22:33] <gumbo> lol
[22:33] <gerall> ActionParsnip - understood, but I was trying to assess the need for mods to NM Applet...
[22:33] <loose> ciaooooooooooooooooooooooo
[22:33] <gumbo> but seriously dont under estimate the hackin community
[22:33] <Roasted> eternaljoy - I do advise you to run it on a test computer a few times just to get used to it. It's a TUI and has a lot of questions, though most of the questions you can leave default...
[22:34] <gerall> no matter what settings I change, Intrepid wakes up with DHCP
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> gerall: i believe it can be used to set static ip
[22:34] <eternaljoy> Roasted: TUI?
[22:34] <M4d3L> how I config compiz or qtcurve?
[22:34] <ed0n0n> I have sshd running in local IP. I try to connect via FTPS to it on port 22 and it Ask`s for the root password of that machine, do I need to login as root?
[22:34] <howl> okay, its a problem with the flashblock plugin
[22:34] <gumbo> jus because you cant find holes in ubuntu doesnt mean anyone else can
[22:34] <vocx> gumbo, please define "hacker" and realize this is offtopic, so you will probably be banned
[22:34] <_Whipper> gumbo, : Everything is crackable
[22:35] <Roasted> eternaljoy - Text User Interface. IT doesn't have a pretty little GUI or anything.
[22:35]  * Dr_Willis cracks a smile.
[22:35] <a2103tk> I cracked a cracker once, it tasted good
[22:35] <Z3ro3X> dronix, I'm running ubuntu on this computer I'm chatting from.  If I click on networkmanager on the top right I get "Wireless Networks" with a list of APs to connect to.  On the notebook I only get "Wired Network".
[22:35] <gumbo> how is this off topic im askin for help to try to secure ubuntu the most i can
[22:35] <eternaljoy> Roasted: ah ok
[22:35] <Myrtti> please keep the chatting someplace else and keep this for support questions ONLY, kthx
[22:35] <reginaldo> oi
[22:35] <gumbo> whipper: yes i know thats why im askin for a good firewall for linux/ubnuntu
[22:35] <Roasted> eternaljoy - sourceforge has a forum for it in case you run into snags - good luck, I'm out.
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> Z3ro3X: they you will need to driver up your wireless adapter
[22:36] <Myrtti> gumbo: iptables
[22:36] <Dr_Willis> gumbo,  dont run serviceses you dont need. and check out the various 'hardening linux' guides I guess.  it all depends on what you are doing with the thing.
[22:36] <Z3ro3X> ActionParsnip, What?
[22:36] <Dr_Willis> unplug pc from internet.. there ya go :)
[22:36] <_Whipper> gumbo, : just put a few firewalls, and a couple of NATs, and ull be safe and sound
[22:36] <ed0n0n> If I add ask for password and put a login name for FTPS it asks for the password but doesnt work. Connection established, initializing TLS... Error: Cant connect to server. What Im I doing worng?
[22:36] <lore_> I messed up my grub and now can't boot. I have vista and ubuntu. I tried following the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows but I get a grub Error 2. help please!!
[22:36] <gumbo> well i do torrent
[22:36] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> Z3ro3X: if you dont see a wifi option then your wifi will need drivers
[22:37] <_Whipper> gumbo, : not related ubuntu
[22:37] <dronix> z3ro3x: lspci
[22:37] <lbt> where do I go to chat about jaunty?
[22:37] <Dr_Willis> since torrent clients run as a user.. they shouldent be much of a security issue i imagine
[22:37] <gumbo> any anti virus recommended
[22:37] <LjL> gumbo, look, whether you want to set up a firewall is up to you. i've given you pointers to them.
[22:38] <LjL> !virus > gumbo    (gumbo, see the private message from ubottu)
[22:38] <lore_> I messed up my grub and now can't boot. I have vista and ubuntu. I tried following the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows but I get a grub Error 2. help please!!
[22:38] <vocx> lore_, use a live CD, mount your ubuntu partition and then use "grub-install" to reinstall the bootloader
[22:38] <lbt> a clean install of jaunty gives the old perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). error : http://pastebin.com/d3c65eb36
[22:39] <vocx> lbt, go to #ubuntu+1
[22:39] <lbt> ta
[22:39] <dirty> How can I change the name of my ident?
[22:39] <lore_> vocx: Could you be a bit more specific? where do I have to install grub?
[22:39] <dirty> with pidentd installed
[22:39] <dronix> dirty: use this command: /nick newnick
[22:39] <Z3ro3X> dronix, If I click on Sytem -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers is shows "Support for Atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards." as highlighted green.
[22:40] <maodun> can any regex wizards here help me? i'm trying to get sed to strip out all the nonprintable chars in a file, but i can't seem to get sed to recognize hex-represented characters within a group. e.g., sed -i 's/\xf0//g' works but sed -i 's/[\xf0]+//g' doesn't.
[22:40] <dronix> z3ro3x: activate it
[22:40] <]Prometheus[> gumbo, AV is only recomended in case you'll transfer files to Windows boxes... if don't no need
[22:40] <dirty> dronix, /nick is going to work in the terminal?
[22:40] <vocx> lore_, the "grub-install" manual page has some info.    It is something like "grub-install (hd0) --root-directory=/mountpoint/of/the/installed/ubuntu"
[22:40] <Z3ro3X> dronix, It is.
[22:40] <dirty> dronix, I want to change the name of my ident. Not my nick
[22:40] <issa> Hi, I need to install catdoc on a my hosting server to which i have ssh access but no privilege to use apt-get. Is it still possible to do a manual installation of catdoc and save it under my files and just call the command by path? I want to use it to read doc files from PHP system() .. please help
[22:40] <Z3ro3X> dronix, It only gives me the option to deactivate it.
[22:41] <vocx> lore_, that will install the bootloader to the Master Boot Record of the first hard drive (hd0) then it will setup the /boot/grub directory to the root directory
[22:42] <dirty> How do I change the name of my ident with pidentd installed?
[22:42] <lore_> vocx: What about the running grub part?
[22:42] <vocx> lore_, what?
[22:43] <dirty> how do I run a program through terminal without in running IN terminal?
[22:43] <lore_> vocx: in the various helps on the official ubuntu site it mentions opening grub doing root and setup
[22:43] <ed0n0n> I was trying to scp a file to another machine both running sshd, but I get ssh: connection to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused. How can I solve this?
[22:43] <dirty> how do I run a program through terminal without it running IN terminal?
[22:43] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  command &, then use exit command if you want to close it
[22:43] <Z3ro3X> dronix, When I typed lspci I got this. "05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR24x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)"
[22:43] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  if thats what you are wanting.. your Q. is a little vague
[22:43] <L3dPlatedLinux> ok was wondering how to clean up my ubuntu with uneeded left overs WITHOUT breaking it?
[22:43] <UBUNTUJAY123> whats the best File Manager for Gnome
[22:43] <Flare183> L3dPlatedLinux: open a terminal and type in sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:44] <vocx> lore_, those steps are more low level, while "grub-install" is more like higher level, it should be recommended more.
[22:44] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: u can try to run nmap <IP_ADDRESS> -p 22 it show u port is open or not.
[22:44] <Flare183> UBUNTUJAY123: Nautilus
[22:44] <Z3ro3X> dronix, The rest see of the output for other devices is mostly all nvidia based.
[22:44] <dronix> z3ro3x: u can't pick up any wireless network?
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> UBUNTUJAY123,  whatver one you like,
[22:44] <UBUNTUJAY123> is Thunar any good
[22:44] <L3dPlatedLinux> cool Thats it
[22:44] <jatt> hi I'm using Extra Visual Effects (Ubuntu hardy). When I take an screenshot of a window the screenshot doesn't contain the window's borders. Without Visual Effects the borders are shown why?
[22:45] <zash> UBUNTUJAY123: i like it
[22:45] <Flare183> UBUNTUJAY123: Thunar is made for xfce, but yeah it is
[22:45] <WalkTheLine> where can i go to install ipcop? i tried downloading it but can't get it to run via the terminal. is there a way by downloading a package?
[22:45] <UBUNTUJAY123> ok i want to try it how i install it
[22:45] <zash> however, thunar lacks gvfs integration
[22:45] <Flare183> jatt: Because your window decorator is not enabled or not working
[22:45] <hhr> hi iam into graphics and have been using xp for along time and i custimized it to look very great and considering to move to ubuntu but after custimizing it, it doesn't look that good. So anybody has a cool looking gui that can share a screenshot with me?
[22:45] <Z3ro3X> On this system I get "Wired Network" and "Wireless Networks" in network manager.  On the notebook it only gives me the option of "WIred Network".
[22:45] <Flare183> UBUNTUJAY123: sudo apt-get install thunar
[22:45] <Z3ro3X> dronix, On this system I get "Wired Network" and "Wireless Networks" in network manager.  On the notebook it only gives me the option of "WIred Network".
[22:46] <jatt> Flare183: the windows appear with borders in the desktop is only in the screnshot were the borders dissapear.
[22:46] <Flare183> Z3ro3X: You got a wireless card driver problem
[22:46] <hhr> you may use picpaste or other sites
[22:46] <petergent> hi guys
[22:46] <lore_> vocx: Ok I did it... it says: This is the contents of the device map /media/disk/boot/grub/device.map.
[22:46] <lore_> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[22:46] <lore_> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[22:46] <lore_> (hd0)	/dev/sda
[22:46] <petergent> I'm having more installation problems - perhaps someone can help ?
[22:46] <FloodBot3> lore_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:46] <Z3ro3X> Flare183, Is there a deb file I can download to reinstall the driver?
[22:46] <Flare183> jatt: Its supposed to do that, its because you are press the alt button when you press the print screen button
[22:46] <UBUNTUJAY123> after i install it i for a stie with a script to change the file manager
[22:46] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: thank you. 22/tcp closed. How do I open it?
[22:46] <UBUNTUJAY123> do i just download that script
[22:46] <Flare183> Z3ro3X: Maybe, can you pastebin me the output the of the command "lspci"?
[22:46] <doleyb> Z3ro3X: what I did is disable the ubuntu-provided driver and install madwifi separately...
[22:46] <vocx> lore_, seems correct
[22:47] <petergent> I've installed ubuntu and ubon trying to boot I've just a repeating set of rejecting Io to offline device errors
[22:47] <petergent> amongst other things
[22:47] <lore_> vocx: Ok thanks.. I try to reboot fingers crossded
[22:47] <Z3ro3X> Flare183, Just a sec.
[22:47] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: check if the sshd on <IP_ADDRESS> is realy running - it is check the firewall (router firewall?)
[22:47] <jatt> Actually I am using the take screenshot application (not alt+printscr)
[22:48] <doleyb> Z3ro3X, Flare183: this bug could be it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/182489
[22:48] <dirty> How do I change my ident from kuipers to something eles? please whois me to understand!
[22:48] <Flare183> dirty: Ask that question in #freenode
[22:48] <Bigshot_> i installed Kdevelop in Gnome, but i can't see the Konsole therefore i downloaded Konsole but still i can't see the embedded konsole!!
[22:48] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: I have been using ssh in between other machines trough console, and this new machine has Lenny, so it has to have some kind of soft.firewall
[22:48] <_Whipper> dirty, : old trick
[22:48] <vocx> dirty, I'm sorry that no one is able to understand you. Please don't despair. Perhaps you could browse the web while you wait.
[22:49] <Dr_Willis> !mask
[22:49] <hhr> anybody is going to share a screenshot with me?
[22:49] <abcdefhijkl> Hello.  I'm trying to create a video via cinelerra.  I'm rendering mpg videos into a final result mov (via cinelerra).  However, the video has no sound.  What should the sound format be?
[22:49] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  if you want security - get a 'cloak'
[22:49] <UBUNTUJAY123> than you all alot
[22:49] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: lenny didn't block ssh out of the box. there is no firewall as default in lenny.
[22:49] <untitled> hi. enyone had this problem, that skype won't login if started as user? works fine with sudo
[22:49] <dirty> Dr_Willis: please, give me a link or something that will explain this to me
[22:49] <zeitsofa> dirty: to change our ident tell me your irc client :)
[22:50] <untitled> skype says that multiply copys might be started and won't login
[22:50] <dirty> zeitsofa: xchat!
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  a link was given just above
[22:50] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: does it really have to be from firewall?
[22:50] <dreamy> is there any nice application to draw a web page ?
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> !mask | dirty
[22:50] <gumbo> can i get widgets like kubuntu in ubuntu
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> gumbo,  gdesklets, or opera, or google gadgets can do that..
[22:51] <LjL> Dr_Willis: actually his ident has nothing to do with hostmask cloaks...
[22:51] <gumbo> thnx
[22:51] <LjL> dirty: depends on the client you're using
[22:51] <dirty> Dr_Willis: I need it changed for a completely different server
[22:51] <dirty> LjL: it's for xchat
[22:51] <issa> Hi, is it possible to use an installed (already-compiled) files of catdoc and copy it to another machine and just use path to the command line file to have it work?
[22:51] <zeitsofa> dirty: press <strg>s and take your choise :)
[22:51] <hhr> nobody has a cool gui?
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  then you need to checkon that server. and the docs for your identd service..  thers plenty of identd servers out.. but they dont make things any  more secure
[22:52] <petergent> can anyone help me with an I/o error I'm having on boot ?
[22:52] <_Whipper> hhr, :nope
[22:52] <dirty> Dr_Willis: I have pidentd installed
[22:52] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  then read the docs for it?
[22:52] <||drake||> any ideas on where to go for questions about screen resolutions?
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> identd servers are not that complex. thers some that just spit out random ident responses also
[22:53] <LjL> dirty: *my* xchat gives me a window where i can select nick, ident and realname as soon as i start it up
[22:53] <vocx> lore_, wassup?
[22:53] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: i habe lenny to und there is no firewall as default. i think an <IP_ADDRESS> can be two things. first ssh are not runnning (ps -fs | grep may help) or there is a firewall that block the connect.
[22:53] <lore_> vocx: No luck >*
[22:53] <LjL> dirty: err if you have an identd installed, then perhaps you *want* your ident to be consistent...? or you wouldn't have it installed...?
[22:53] <imichel> hello
[22:53] <Z3ro3X> Flare183, http://pastebin.com/d490048be
[22:54] <imichel> No this dazen function
[22:54] <dirty> LjL: maybe shall I uninstall pidentd my ident server? I didn't know xchat could handle my ident
[22:54] <lore_> vocx: I still get Error 2 at stage 1.5 >*
[22:54] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen a need to use a identd server in years..
[22:54] <LjL> dirty: it will provide an ident to IRC, but it won't be validated if there is no identd server.
[22:54] <ed0n0n> I nmap the 22 port and it is closed, and 80 is opened. The firewall in the router is on, and 80 nor 22 triggered
[22:54] <Z3ro3X> doleyb, Do you have some quick instructions for installing madwifi separately?
[22:54] <LjL> Dr_Willis: not on single-users systems for sure
[22:54] <vocx> Paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:55] <ed0n0n> I have used ssh for other machines before and it was working. Dont know why no it is not
[22:55] <zeitsofa> dirty: there a two ways. first to change the setting on <strg>s windows or go to the server you would connect in the list below. there u can change it, too.
[22:55] <dirty> LjL: ok, I have changed every field possible and it still just keeps reporting my ident as my username
[22:55] <bpmarkham> hey everyone... while trying to install specific packages or run the update manager on a fresh install of ubuntu or xubuntu the install freezes at "processing triggers for man-db." Any ideas how i can fix or get around this?
[22:55] <DBeta> Hello everybody.
[22:55] <LjL> dirty: as soon as you keep pidentd running - of course it will.
[22:55] <LjL> as long
[22:55] <lore_> Can someone help me reinstall only grub from scratch on a dual/boot machine_
[22:55] <vocx> bpmarkham, what version of Ubuntu?
[22:55] <]Prometheus[> gumbo: what version of Ubuntu are you using ?
[22:55] <Flare183> Z3ro3X: I see. I know exactly what to do.
[22:55] <bpmarkham> vocx: intrepid
[22:56] <Bigshot_> LjL, i can't see embedded konsole in kdevelop on gnome!
[22:56] <sebsebseb> !grub | lore
[22:56] <Dr_Willis> dirty,  the 'realname' field i though changed that...
[22:56] <Flare183> Z3ro3X: Can PM/query you?
[22:56] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: sorry but these are the 2 options. firewall is blocking or ssh not running.
[22:56] <Z3ro3X> Flare183, Sure.
[22:56] <dirty> Dr_Willis: It doesn't seem to be changing it for me.
[22:56] <lore_> sebsebseb: I already tried those :(
[22:56] <ed0n0n> Even triggering port 22 in the firewall I get closed when nmpapping IP -p 22
[22:57] <issa> Hi, is it possible to use an installed (already-compiled) files of catdoc and copy it to another machine and just use path to the command line file to have it work?
[22:57] <DBeta> I have a problem that may require a creative solution. I would like to be able to full screen flash in one window, while working in the other(dual screen setup). The problem comes in with flash going out of full screen when it loses focus.
[22:57] <doleyb> Z3ro3X: 1. go to hardware drivers and disable Atheros item.  2. acquire madwifi-hal-<IP_ADDRESS>-current.tar.gz from madwifi.org, 3. extract it, ./configure, make, sudo make install, 4. sudo modprobe ath_pci wlan_scan_sta
[22:57] <sebsebseb> lore_: you could make a seperate /boot  or  do a small  ubuntu partition get rid of everything, but boot
[22:57] <sebsebseb> lore_: then you got grub in there
[22:57] <DBeta> So does anyone know a way to focus on two windows at once, or not let a window know it goes out of focus.
[22:57] <swamptin> hey hey all
[22:57] <infomomo> swamptin: sometin sometin swamptin :d
[22:57] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: ssh is running PID 5063 /usr/sbin/sshd
[22:57] <sebsebseb> lore_: ,but then kernel updating and it can upgrade wrong grub menulist etc
[22:58] <lore_> sebsebseb: How to do that?
[22:58] <jrib> DBeta: I can think of a creative solution: write your own window manager :)
[22:58] <untitled> enyone had this problem, that skype won't login if started as user? works fine with sudo
[22:58] <untitled> skype says that multiply copys might be started and won't login
[22:58] <Dr_Willis64> Hmm
[22:58] <DBeta> jrib:Too creative for me.
[22:58] <doleyb> DBeta: I might try running separate xservers.  One of them default, one -- :1
[22:58] <WebGuest1> How hard would it be to, instead of having /home/username/, I could have /home/symbolic-Link-Called-Username/
[22:58] <lore_> sebsebseb: I-de just like to get back to my original.. I backed up my menu/lst
[22:58] <Dr_Willis64> oh wait realname is not same as the front of the user ;) lol
[22:58] <sebsebseb> lore_: well just edit the current menu.list and problem solved?
[22:58] <Bigshot_> Dr_Willis64, i can't see embedded konsole in Kdevelop
[22:58] <DBeta> doleyb: I tried that, I had issues with the differences in resolution.
[22:58] <Bigshot_> Dr_Willis64, i can't see embedded konsole in Kdevelop in "GNOME"
[22:58] <dirty> can someone please explain to me how I can change the name of my ident without using a cloak?
[22:59] <_Whipper> offtopic?..
[22:59] <lore_> sebsebseb: No. I get a grub Error 2 .. I don't even get to the list
[22:59] <DBeta> doleyb:Also, switching between normal dual screen and dual X wasn't quick or easy.
[22:59] <vocx> WebGuest1, Never done it, but I think you can change your home directory somewhere in the users and group options, and using the symnlink as you say may be easy.
[22:59] <sebsebseb> lore_: I guess the partition idea will work,  then  the bit of grub left in the mbr, will use the partition, if set up properly
[22:59] <swamptin> I went and installed ubuntu on a sony vgn-C1S from a boot cd, loaded fine after the install, fired it up again now and it got a kernel panic "Unable to mount root fs"... should I go ahead and just reinstall?
[22:59] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: ok. did u check the firewall?
[23:00] <doleyb> DBeta: i'm afraid it might be easier than capturing that keyboard input, which is the other alternative
[23:00] <vocx> lore_, if you have a Windows CD use that to install the Windows Bootloader, then repeat the steps I provided to reinstall grub.
[23:00] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: Yes. I tried triggering the 22 port but didn't change anything
[23:00] <DBeta> doleyb: How would capturing the keyboard input help?
[23:01] <doleyb> DBeta: well prevent your flash player from noticing that another app was active... but i don't know how to approach that.
[23:01] <lore_> vocx: This is the output of my fdisk -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/131761/
[23:01] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: hmm sorry i don't know what is wrong.
[23:01] <DBeta> doleyb: Yeah, I figured the easy way would be to prevent Flash from knowing it wasn't in focus.
[23:02] <gartral> sorry _CommandeR_ went afk, you cant, you just need to manually change before launching it through the compiz icon, sorry
[23:02] <napzter> hi, anyone a metasploit user? PM me
[23:02] <vocx> lore_, might read this at least http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html
[23:02] <Flare183> !ot | napzter
[23:02] <DBeta> I'd think there was a way, but I wouldn't have a clue. I tried googling, but using the words linux and window together causes too much noise.
[23:03] <Wicked> !reiser
[23:03] <lore_> vocx: Yes it says "Selected disk doesn't exist" which is not very helpful :(
[23:03] <issa> Hi, is it possible to use an installed (already-compiled) files of catdoc and copy it to another machine and just use path to the command line file to have it work?
[23:03] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: I was ssh-ing the other machine and I was running ps aux in it, but didnt have ssh-server running on one of them. I guess I need to in order to use scp between them
[23:03] <Dr_Willis64> Hmm
[23:04] <DBeta> Perhaps I should ask in the compiz IRC or the Gnome IRC.
[23:04] <Dr_Willis> one has to forward the port throught th router to get identd to respond.. thats a bigger security issue then having a funny  name in irc.. :)
[23:05] <vocx> lore_, might be BIOS problem? Check your BIOS when the PC boots. But do that, reinstall the bootloader with Windows, then make sure it works, then reinstall grub.
[23:05] <Lighttitan> when I attempt to do "sudo regedit" I get this: "wine: /home/titan/.wine is not owned by you" How do I take ownership of the .wine folder and all files underneath?
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> Lighttitan,  you dont sudo it..
[23:05] <vocx> Lighttitan, do you need to use regedit in Wine?
[23:05] <bigrigger> ed0n0n: servers should not use port triggering, use port forwarding and insure your remote sshd daemon is listening/running.
[23:05] <zenlunatic> Lighttitan, chown
[23:05] <Lighttitan> but when I change this one registry value it just changes back
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> Lighttitan,  the .wine stuff is owned by the user.. and  thus he can regedit his own wine things.
[23:06] <Dillizar> !xpde
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> Lighttitan,  now you MIGHT of just messed that up if you accessed some files as root. they may now be owned by root - not theuser any more
[23:06] <ed0n0n> zeitsofa: Fixed it. But I just got a Write failed: Broken pipe. What is this, neve seen it
[23:06] <Lighttitan> oh I see... well I guess my problem would be more in wine than an Ubuntu question, I guess I need to go to that channel
[23:07] <bigrigger> ed0n0n: read my last post.
[23:07] <lore_> vocx: Don't thinks so, but thanks. It woas working till I messed up something in grub
[23:07] <jrib> DBeta: what card do you have?
[23:07] <zeitsofa> ed0n0n: read bigrigger's last post :)
[23:07] <DBeta> jrib:NVidia 7950
[23:07] <vocx> lore_, can you remember what you were messing?
[23:08] <jrib> DBeta: right, never mind, what I was thinking won't work anyway
[23:08] <bigrigger> port triggering does work well for identd port 113, fyi for whomever asked.
[23:08] <lore_> I just tried installing gfx grub..
[23:08] <lore_> it wasn't wise
[23:08] <ed0n0n> bigrigger: Do I need port formwarding in a LAN?? Do I have to change the port forwarding when DHCP changes IPs or new computers are connected to the LAN?
[23:08] <vocx> lore_, what's that?
[23:08] <lore_> I had made a backup of the grub dir and tried restoring it but no luck
[23:08] <gartral> lore_: in intrepid or 9?
[23:09] <lore_> gartral: in intrepid
[23:09] <gartral> i know you _MUST_ use lilo in the 9 releases
[23:09] <bigrigger> ed0n0n: if the box is on the same lan/subnet then no, just ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:09] <Stevethepirate> Hey, I have a variety of SOCKS5 proxies running on sequential ports on my PC [ports 10001->10010] .. I wanna load balance over them into a common port [lets say 10011] so I can run over them as if they are a common stream [such as "tsocks links www.google.co.za"]
[23:09] <vocx> gartral, what???
[23:09] <_Whipper> ed0n0n, : just do your homework
[23:09] <Dillizar> !XPce
[23:09] <||drake||> i try to open "Screen Resolution" or "Screens and Graphics" and both refuse to open... what's going on?
[23:09] <Dillizar> !xpde
[23:09] <Flare183> !askthebot | Dillizar
[23:10] <lorenzo> hi brasero freezes when I try to add files to my audio projects. It freezes and i have to kill it. I get this error upon launch: (brasero:6339): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_resize: assertion `width > 0' failed. Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
[23:10] <ed0n0n> bigrigger: Thank you for your help. All is fine now :D
[23:10] <ed0n0n> _Whipper: Wipe out your homework
[23:10] <gartral> vocx: what about that bit saying "you must use liloconf after this process has finished" before the installation?
[23:10] <AU-8423>
[23:11] <vocx> gartral, when did you see that?
[23:11] <_Whipper> ed0n0n, : thank you
[23:11] <gartral> it was in here, way long ago, hold on
[23:11] <bigrigger> ed0n0n: if the ip changes due to DHCP, you'll need to rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts locally and ssh to the new ip.
[23:11] <ed0n0n> _Whipper: You are wellcome
[23:11] <petergent> hi
[23:11] <bosco_>  how do i take a directory and make it so no one can view it in a web browser never done it before ?? on my server ???
[23:12] <Stevethepirate> Hey, I have a variety of SOCKS5 proxies running on sequential ports on my PC [ports 10001->10010] .. I wanna load balance over them into a common port [lets say 10011] so I can run over them as if they are a common stream [such as "tsocks links www.google.co.za"]
[23:12] <pvtpete> ?
[23:12] <ed0n0n> bigrigger: Should I put a static IP to each machine? Is it a good prociding?
[23:12] <Flare183> bosco_: Depends on the httpd server
[23:12] <bigrigger> bosco_: one way is use .htaccess file
[23:12] <Flare183> !ask | pvtpete
[23:12] <bigrigger> ed0n0n: static ip's solve that problem, answer=yes
[23:13] <bosco_> bigrigger, i know of .htaccess and i run ubuntu server????
[23:13] <||drake||> why do "Screen Resolutions" and "Screens and Graphics" refuse to open?
[23:13] <bosco_> i  just want it to say access denied ????
[23:14] <bigrigger> bosco_: if this is a http webserver,, yes thats what .htaccess is designed for, you can password protect it, forbid it lots of stuff.
[23:14] <magcius> !midi
[23:14] <_Whipper> ed0n0n, : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Security
[23:14] <ed0n0n> bigrigger: Good. I think Im starting to undestand the LAN networks. Thank you and zeitsofa
[23:14] <gartral> i have a geforce 2 MX440, and i can't get screen rotation too work, what am i missing, i'm using the restricted drivers, but it won't let me rotate my screen\
[23:14] <lore_> How to reinstall broken grub from scratch?
[23:15] <bigrigger> ed0n0n: have a good day.
[23:15] <magcius> Is there a way to make GStreamer use FluidSynth instead of Timidity++?
[23:15] <bosco_> bigrigger, i care if i view it i have seen websites like when you try to go to www.blah.com/pictures/ it says access denied i dont want them to be able to acess it but have the pics still show up on my site
[23:15] <issa> Hi, is it possible to use an installed (already-compiled) files of catdoc and copy it to another machine and just use path to the command line file to have it work?
[23:15] <dirty> What is the easiest way to get all the dependency's when complying a program?
[23:15] <_Whipper> !ot
[23:15] <siriusnova> Hello, is there any way to get evolution to store FULL messages instead of just headers offline? kind of like Thundebird's offline mode
[23:15] <ed0n0n> bigrigger: You too bigrigger.
[23:15] <magcius> dirty, apt-get build-dep
[23:15] <ed0n0n>  Thanks for the link _Whipper
[23:16] <bigrigger> bosco_: you can restrict viewing a directory list but still show content, iirc.
[23:16] <||drake||> so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:16] <||drake||> * Imaginativeone__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[23:16] <bosco_> bigrigger, is there another way to do it other than .htaccess i just dont like that method
[23:16] <bigrigger> bosco_: google .htaccess, its universal and very versatile.
[23:17] <pvtpete> I'm having a problem booting ubuntu after installing it
[23:17] <dirty> magcius: sorry for the newb question, but what do I apoint to command to? a makefile?
[23:17] <pvtpete> can anyone help ?
[23:17] <magcius> dirty, hmm? You use it like apt-get install except it installs the build dependencies.
[23:17] <Flare183> pvtpete: Yes
[23:18] <magcius> For that package.
[23:18] <Stevethepirate> Hey, I have a variety of SOCKS5 proxies running on sequential ports on my PC [ports 10001->10010] .. I wanna load balance over them into a common port [lets say 10011] so I can run over them as if they are a common stream [such as "tsocks links www.google.co.za"]
[23:18] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : whats the prblm?
[23:18] <bosco_> bigrigger, if i set a .htaccess file in my /pictures/ dir and that is where i put pictures for my server then when they load my site they will have to put a password in to view my site prop with the pics so i just want the pics to laod fine but so they cant view the dir by typing it in
[23:18] <bigrigger> bosco_: what you're asking is somewhat redundant. you want users to see it, but not see it?
[23:18] <dirty> magcius: what if it is a .tar.gz? and not a package in the repos?
[23:18] <pvtpete> I'm getting various I/O errors
[23:18] <pvtpete> let me see now
[23:18] <dirty> magcius: also not a .deb
[23:18] <Sna4x8> Hello.  I can't for the life of me burn an audio cd.  Brasero freezes when I add a song to the list, so I got gnomebaker, which crashes with an invalid pointer in free();
[23:18] <magcius> dirty, then you have to apt-get install the -dev packages manually.
[23:19] <frojnd> Hello there. Is there any other way to see output of a program than just run it from shell ?
[23:19] <pvtpete> buffer I/o error on device sda, logical block 0, sd 0:0:1:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
[23:19] <bigrigger> bosco_: you can do exactly that, quite easily with a few directives.
[23:19] <magcius> dirty, Ubuntu doesn't know what to install if all you have is a .tar.gz!
[23:19] <vocx> frojnd,
[23:19] <gartral> Sna4x8: hoave you tryed k3b?
[23:19] <magcius> dirty, read the docs for how to compile it and what dependencies it requires.
[23:19] <vocx> frojnd, no, they aoutput to standard output which is the terminal
[23:19] <pvtpete> it's being repeated over and over
[23:19] <DBeta> Ha! Figured out a cheap work around. Not perfect, but better than nothing. Compiz has a zoom feature that works per desktop, so I can just zoom in on the window.
[23:19] <DBeta> Cheap, but it will work 'till I can find something better.
[23:19] <Sna4x8> No, I haven't.  I tried ripperX, x-cd-roast, Audacity, MPlayer, brasero, and gnomebaker.
[23:19] <pvtpete> with occasional asking for cache data failed, assumeing drive cache: write through
[23:19] <frojnd> vocx: ok but the command, can be modified or just: $ program ?
[23:20] <pvtpete> I just installed it on the master HDD
[23:20] <Reidy> Anyone able to help me fix my download speed issues?
[23:20] <gartral> dirty: you might also google for a deb of what your trying to install, "tar balls/bells" are a pain in the arse to work with
[23:21] <vocx> frojnd, the program can be modified yes, so instead of outputting to a terminal it outputs to a window or text area of course, but it's easier to just run it in the terminal.
[23:21] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : did you do a clean install?
[23:21] <Stevethepirate> Hey, I have a variety of SOCKS5 proxies running on sequential ports on my PC [ports 10001->10010] .. I wanna load balance over them into a common port [lets say 10011] so I can run over them as if they are a common stream [such as "tsocks links www.google.co.za"]
[23:21] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : checked md5?
[23:21] <gartral> i have a geforce 2 MX440, and i can't get screen rotation too work, what am i missing, i'm using the restricted drivers, but it won't let me rotate my screen\
[23:21] <nael> I have a stalled booting problem with 8.10, I cannot boot without pressing the return button all the time
[23:22] <Reidy> Can someone help me with a download speed issue?
[23:22] <pvtpete> MD5?
[23:22] <pvtpete> yeah I did
[23:22] <pvtpete> wiped and all
[23:22] <gartral> Reidy: for us too help, you need to give information
[23:22] <Reidy> My download speeds wont go higher than 30kb/s....
[23:22] <pvtpete> I partitiond it in the installer via guided install
[23:23] <gartral> Reidy: are you on dialup?
[23:23] <Reidy> No, cable.
[23:23] <gartral> whos the provider?
[23:23] <Reidy> But I'm wireless. On XP & Vista, which I was running yesterday, my dl speeds were around 350kb/s. Provider is Mediacom.
[23:23] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : did you try to install it again?
[23:24] <pvtpete> I can do
[23:24] <DBeta> For those who tried to help me, thanks. I'll continue chewing on this one.
[23:24] <Sna4x8> gartral: k3b doesn't see my ntfs drive for some reason.
[23:24] <pvtpete> flare183 was saying that maybe my rive might be dead
[23:24] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : yeah it might...
[23:24] <gartral> Reidy: are you aweare you just added another variable here... so your d/l speeds peak at 30 kb/s in both windows and ubuntu?
[23:24] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : might not..
[23:25] <Reidy> No, my download speeds in Windows peaks at around 350kb/s...in Ubuntu, it peaks at about 30kb/s
[23:25] <gartral> Sna4x8: ahh, theres your problem, try copying the files to your home dir and burning from there (i know, its a pain, but NTFS is more so!)
[23:26] <pvtpete> ok well
[23:26] <pvtpete> I'll boot up to livecd again
[23:26] <pvtpete> ?
[23:26] <gartral> Reidy: ok, thank you, have you tryed a cat5 cable (networking cable) too your router to see if its the router or ubuntu?
[23:26] <Sna4x8> I did.
[23:26] <Sna4x8> And it says invalid format on my mp3s
[23:26] <pvtpete> perhaps you can tell me how I can repair the drive
[23:26] <gartral> and k3b wont see them in your home dir?
[23:27] <nael> I have a stalled booting problem with 8.10, I cannot boot without pressing the return button all the time
[23:27] <pvtpete> or guide me
[23:27] <Ethan> \join
[23:27] <pvtpete> anyway
[23:27] <nael> any suggestions?
[23:27] <gartral> last@ Sna4x8
[23:27] <Alek_> kinda need some help, I messed around in about:config in epiphany and now it wont load pages, (not even about:config) so how do I restore it the default configuration??
[23:27] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : if its broke, then its broken.. nothing to do.. but if its a software-issue.. another thing
[23:27] <Sna4x8> gartral: It sees them in my home dir, it says .mp3 is an invalid format.
[23:27] <issa> Hi, is it possible to use an installed (already-compiled) files of catdoc and copy it to another machine and just use path to the command line file to have it work?
[23:27] <Reidy> The router is completely fine. I'm betting it's something with Ubuntu...but I don't know what...and that's kind of annoying. Trying to update to 8.0.4 is pretty tenuous when it takes 8hrs to update at 30kb/s..
[23:28] <gartral> Sna4x8: then you dont have mp3 support
[23:28] <pvtpete> ok
[23:28] <Sna4x8> I can play them fine?
[23:28] <gartral> !mp3|Sna4x8
[23:28] <bosco_> bigrigger, is this what you are talking about http://www.codestyle.org/sitemanager/apache/errors-403.shtml
[23:28] <swamptin> !ubottu grub.config
[23:28] <swamptin> !ubottu grub
[23:28] <LjL> !fishing
[23:29] <gartral> right, i meant k3b doesn't have mp3 support, you need another package, i forget what, i think ffmpeg
[23:29] <Vantrax> !grub
[23:29] <gartral> last @ Sna4x8
[23:30] <gRunt> Hi all can anyone recommend an easy gui based SSH program I need to ssh into my ipod thats all
[23:30] <Vantrax> !grub | swaptin
[23:30] <gunny_17> !ubottu irssi
[23:30] <Reidy> Know what the problem might be gartral?
[23:30] <Vantrax> !irissi | gunny_17
[23:30] <Tarantulafudge> Anyone have trouble installing ubuntu server 8.10 on vmware-server 1.0.8
[23:31] <Vantrax> !irissi
[23:31] <eseven73> !info irssi
[23:31] <roja> list
[23:31] <bigrigger> bosco_: that page is for customizing error messages, but it basically explains how to do what you want. this is another good page. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/htaccess.html
[23:31] <Alek_> kinda need some help, I messed around in about:config in epiphany and now it wont load pages, (not even about:config) so how do I restore it the default configuration??
[23:32] <gRunt> Hi all can anyone recommend an easy gui based SSH program I need to ssh into my ipod thats all
[23:32] <melik> how do i add a member to a group?
[23:32] <Vantrax> Alek_, Im reasonably sure you can just delete it and it will be recreated
[23:32] <n1c0> hi to everyone
[23:32] <Vantrax> gRunt, any reason you cant ssh with the terminal?
[23:32] <n1c0> anybosy asleep?
[23:33] <bigrigger> melik: sudo adduser username groupname
[23:33] <Vantrax> Alek_ your going to end up with a terminal connection anyway
[23:33] <melik> bigrigger, wouldnt that create a new user?
[23:33] <Vantrax> err gRunt your going to end up with a terminal connection anyway
[23:33] <gartral> Reidy: not really, at least until you test lan, if lan is giving the same issues, its your routers firewall, if its ubuntu, it should be "fixed" after a network cable, but we'll have to figure out whats with that wifi card if its not the router
[23:33] <bigrigger> melik: no
[23:33] <bigrigger> melik: it adds 'username' to 'group'
[23:34] <gRunt> Vantrax, thats cool could you give me any idea on how to sssh via terminal then, im still relatively new to linux and terminal scares me a bit but ill give it a go :)
[23:34] <melik> ah allrighty thanks =)
[23:34] <melik> it worked
[23:34] <Vantrax> gRunt, use ssh username@dnsname
[23:34] <gartral> !find|gRunt
[23:34] <bigrigger> melik: theres a gui app for this if you have X
[23:34] <nael> I have a stalled booting problem with 8.10, I cannot boot without pressing the return button all the time
[23:34] <Reidy> Is there a way to access my router via my computer to maybe configure the firewall to allow Ubuntu to pass? Or maybe my router needs to be configured to allow access to Ubuntu's networking devices? I'm not good with Ubuntu...so I could be talking our my you know what
[23:34] <nael> does anybody have any ideas?
[23:35] <nael> or questions to ask?
[23:35] <gRunt> so in this case if its my ipod can I just ssh <iphere> Vantrax ?
[23:35] <vocx> nael, please explain, does it stop at grub, does it give error messages, what else?
[23:35] <n1c0> Guys I've a problem witm my ubuntu. I've recently formetted and reinstall itrepid but 've a trouble wit lan connection. I've need to reconfigure the mtu value but i forget kow do this
[23:36] <melik> bigrigger, i find CLI better =)
[23:36] <n1c0> anybody can halp me?
[23:36] <melik> and easier; im learning it little by little.
[23:36] <Vantrax> gRunt, you need to know the dns name or the IP
[23:37] <gartral> reidy does trying to visit home (http://home) or <IP_ADDRESS> from firefox bring you too the conf page of your router?
[23:37] <gRunt> yeah ive got the ip but as far as im aware it has no username is all I am saying.
[23:37] <Vantrax> gRunt, so it would be ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:37] <gRunt> Ahh okay ty
[23:37] <nael> vocx, it gets past grub and the splash screen comes up. The progress bar does not move unless I hold return and it eventually boots
[23:37] <Vantrax> gRunt, it will have a username somewhere in it
[23:37] <gRunt> I just found out filezilla is multi-platform too so will give that a look.
[23:37] <nael> vocx, there are no visible error messages
[23:37] <gartral> GAH! Reidy im sorry, the ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:38] <donkey> is there a help channel or something
[23:38] <gartral> donkey: this is ubuntu help channel
[23:38] <dhysk1> i think this is the help channel
[23:38] <vocx> nael, when you see the grub menu, edit the line, and remove the kernel lines "quiet" and "splash" that way, you won't have the splash screen, and you will see the errors if any
[23:38] <donkey> oh ok
[23:39] <gartral> donkey: i dont know if theres a general "help channel" on freenode
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> i always change splash to be 'nosplash'
[23:39] <Until_It_Sleeps> What is the OT channel?
[23:39] <nael> how do I get the grub menu up?
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> !ot | Until_It_Sleeps
[23:39] <Gnea> !ot
[23:39] <gartral> Dr_Willis: i think splash screens are too reminiscent of corporate programming ways
[23:40] <Until_It_Sleeps> thanks
[23:40] <donkey> i have a question, i'm trying to unmount my swap partition because it's currently a primary and i wanted to change it to extended
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> i want the text messages :)
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> donkey,  you may need to use the swapoff command
[23:40] <n1c0> Guys I've a problem witm my ubuntu. I've recently formetted and reinstall intrepid but i've a trouble with my lan connection. I've need to reconfigure the mtu value but i forget how do this
[23:40] <n1c0> anybody can help me?
[23:40] <donkey> yeah sorry it says cannot allocate memory
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> donkey,  you areusing sudo with that command?
[23:40] <donkey> yep
[23:40] <pvtpete> hi
[23:40] <gartral> donkey: editing the swap volume is a very very very bad idea, if it isn't broken, don't do anything too it, not unless you really really really need too
[23:41] <Flannel> !swap | donkey
[23:41] <vocx> nael, when it's booting press ESC, then when you have the menu, press "e" to edit, then remove those words "quiet" and "splash", then ESC, then "b" to boot. Those changes are only temporary, but you can make them permanent by editing, /boo/grub/menu.lst
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> donkey,  if a lot of stuff is using swap.. you may need to close them. and perhaps reboot and use a live cd   or somting that is not going to use  the swap file
[23:41] <pvtpete> back again: I'm stuck and I can't boot from livecd. It's worked before but now I'm stuck in the box thing
[23:41] <pvtpete> (CLI)
[23:41] <donkey> i dont care about the volume it's just that it's primary and i'm at the 4 primary parttition limit so i wanted to change it to extended if that's possible
[23:41] <jj_galvez> when I click in a window it neither raises or changes focus, and this continues until I logout and back any thoughts? BTW this is with Compiz on
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> donkey,  live cd + gparted I think can do tht
[23:41] <Z3ro3X> I finely got my fracking wireless working.  This is what I did.  I downloaded http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/madwifi-hal-<IP_ADDRESS>-current.tar.gz deactivated the wifi using System  - > Administration -> Hardware Drivers.  Decompressed the gz file.  Went into the folder through shell.  Typed make then sudo make install.  Rebooted then reactivated the driver in "Hardware Drivers".
[23:41] <donkey> ok
[23:41] <donkey> great
[23:42] <donkey> i will try that
[23:42] <donkey> thanks
[23:42] <gartral> donkey: i don't think ubuntu will see the swap part after you reboot once that change was made
[23:42] <android6011> is there an msn messenger besides amsn with webcam support?
[23:42] <donkey> what do you mean?
[23:42] <gartral> android6011: kopete
[23:43] <Reidy> @ Z3ro3X: What was the problem with your wireless? slow download speeds?
[23:43] <_Whipper> donkey:who?
[23:43] <donkey> gartral
[23:43] <vocx> donkey, remove or comment the line about swap in /etc/fstab so Linux doesn't try to activate it. Then you can do whatever you want with the swap partition.
[23:43] <donkey> ok
[23:43] <jeeves> how can I set up a quick/dirty VPN soulition so I can connect to our remote network to find out what goof set up IIS on a windows box and is causing problems for my Linux server
[23:43] <gartral> donkey: nvm, i was thinking older ubuntu
[23:43] <Z3ro3X> Reidy, The driver was that came on the disc was busted or something because ubuntu wasn't even recognizing my wifi hardware.
[23:43] <donkey> k
[23:43] <dronix> android6011: doesn't pidgin support cam?
[23:43] <android6011> dronix i dont think so
[23:44] <gartral> dronix: no, pidgin lacks all A/V communication abilityies, just text
[23:44] <gartral> s abilityies/abilities
[23:44] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, ppp over ssh? but if you can ssh into a box there you might not need the VPN
[23:44] <_Whipper> pvtpete, :you could not have done the things i mentioned in this time... :)
[23:44] <dronix> gartral: yeah just checked
[23:45] <gRunt> Vantrax, thanks I connected via terminal no problems but I am rather horrid with and want to do a fair bit of file copying so might see if I can get filezilla to connect.
[23:45] <gartral> dronix: i know im right, cause i use pidgin
[23:45] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, I can ssh into the box, but it keep dropping the connection.  One of the ham fisted interns decided that screwing with stuff on a Sunday was a good idea
[23:45] <pvtpete> oh I thought you went to the pub
[23:45] <pvtpete> or something
[23:45] <dronix> gatral: :)
[23:45] <gartral> i have a geforce 2 MX440, and i can't get screen rotation too work, what am i missing, i'm using the restricted drivers, but it won't let me rotate my screen\
[23:45] <Reidy> @ Gartral: It won't let me connect to that IP. And my internet speeds are pretty sluggish as well. I've heard it might have something to do with IPv6(my internet speeds)...but as far as my download speeds IDK what to do.
[23:45] <Stevethepirate> Hey, I have a variety of SOCKS5 proxies running on sequential ports on my PC [ports 10001->10010] .. I wanna load balance over them into a common port [lets say 10011] so I can run over them as if they are a common stream [such as "tsocks links www.google.co.za"]
[23:45] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/ppp-ssh.html
[23:45] <_Whipper> pvtpete, : nope, just to pick a beer and a smoke
[23:46] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, if the ssh connection keeps dropping then a VPN may not have any better luck.
[23:46] <pvtpete> oh ok
[23:46] <pvtpete> :)
[23:46] <pvtpete> why would the live cd dump me to a CLI though ?
[23:46] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, can I use nmap to isolate the windows box?  maybe remotly shut down the IIS service?
[23:46] <pvtpete> shouldn't it just run from the cd (it's worked before0
[23:47] <pvtpete> loads of times
[23:47] <vocx> gartral, if you are using the restricted drivers you should probably complain with NVidia themselves. Also, search the forum, maybe someone has already experience with it. Maybe nobody can solve the issue, which means it's a problem with the drivers.
[23:47] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, nmap shoule be able to find it. remote shutdown? possible... can you remote-desktop into it?
[23:48] <Sna4x8> gd, I'd have to be a hacker to burn a cd in this os.
[23:48] <gartral> Reidy: search therepos for IPv6, i think you might have tunneling issues, but beyond that, you might use a networking cable, also, as a side note, try knoppix or backtrack to see if its a general linux issue
[23:48] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, lol, I wish.  if that was the case, I would have killed it allready
[23:48] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, what is the problem? is it 'borrowing' the IP address of the real server?
[23:49] <afreq> hello
[23:49] <Wanderer> wonder if my bloodyisp is throttling my apt-get upgrade
[23:49] <gartral> vocx: i initially installed the restricted drivers cause someone said that would fix the issue, and i know aLOT of people who have this card, and there all running fine
[23:49] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, when I try to connect to the HTTP, it keeps going to an IIS server page.  and I don't know why it dropps the SSH connection occasionally.
[23:49] <gartral> Wanderer: take it up with them
[23:49] <vocx> gartral, oh, in that case, you should ask them.
[23:49] <afreq> Wanderer...you should talk to those people then :p
[23:49] <Wanderer> they'll just deny it, have to figure out to prove it first
[23:49] <gartral> i did, they said ask here >.<
[23:49] <Wanderer> will have to look into that switzerland thing
[23:49] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, is the HTTP connection going to the same box as the SSH connection?
[23:50] <afreq> gartral i mean
[23:50] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, yes, this is a remote office, and everything (http, ftp, IMAP, POP, ssh, smtp, etc) is going to the same box
[23:50] <gartral> afreq|vocx: i did, they said ask here, same as nvidia support
[23:51] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, then the intern decided to "move" all of the servers from the office we closed to this office, and then plugged the old office's PCs into the router that they were orignally connected to, then uplinked that into the existing network
[23:51] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, as you're asking about VPN's I'm assuming this whole mess is behind a gateway of some kind. DNAT messed up? the other thing I can think of is that the windows box is using the same IP address and every now and then it wind the ARP-wars and kicks off your real server.
[23:51] <AU-8423> /join #gentoo
[23:51] <gartral> afreq|vocx: i asked if it could be because i have a 5:4 monitor, or if the port only operates at 4x AGP, they all said that those shouldn't matter
[23:51] <Tarantulafudge> lol arp wars
[23:52] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, is there a way to put this server @ the top of the "food chain" to prevent the windows servers from fighting with it when they call an election?
[23:52] <]Prometheus[> what is the best way to kill the X server until next reboot ?
[23:52] <vocx> gartral, don't use the | symbol, separate our nicknames with spaces, that way it highlight properly
[23:52] <Reidy> @ Gartral: Check your IM's, I sent you one....that was like speaking a foreign language. Don't know what you just asaid..lol
[23:52] <Sna4x8> .    /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:52] <gartral> vocx: sorry, pidgin did that
[23:52] <afreq> to be honest i don't know i just thought i'd throw in a cheeky comment :p
[23:53] <afreq> i'm only in here cos i've got to build an IRC client for uni
[23:53] <vocx> gartral, real men use xchat to irc
[23:53] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, not an election thing (WINS), it sounds more like an ARP thing, i.e. the windows box has the same static IP address as the real server. When the gateway does an ARP request it sometimes gets the windows box (and you get an IIS page) and sometimes the real (ubuntu?) server (and you getssh, temporarily)
[23:53] <wandana> \join xml
[23:53] <ScottG489> How do i uninstall all of a packages dependencies? Like all the packages that come with another package when you install it?
[23:53] <Gnea> jeeves: do you have the http server redefined in dns or a hosts file?
[23:53] <]Prometheus[> ok, ty
[23:53] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, can you remote-admin the gateway?
[23:54] <jeeves> Gnea, yes, the DNS is external to the site though
[23:54] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, naaa, our ISP is a b**ch.  they don't allow us access to the router
[23:54] <Gnea> jeeves: is the site full of real ip's or private address ranges?
[23:54] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, any trained monkeys on-site that could unplug the windows box?
[23:55] <jeeves> Gnea, the site is behind a router.  and we don't have access to it.  (trust me, I'd LOVE to slap the ISP's admin).
[23:55] <jeeves> sprinkmeier, naaa, the monkey buggerd off and turned his phone off.  If I have to go out there, all hell is going to break loose
[23:55] <unop> ScottG489,  aptitude remove package  #should do it.
[23:55] <Gnea> jeeves: by 'site', I was referring to the IP-segment, not the web server
[23:55] <CokeNCode> k guys, how do i get my blackberry pearl to work with ubuntu ?
[23:56] <sir_yodle> does Wine have a very large footprint?
[23:56] <CokeNCode> i wanna upload some custom ringtones
[23:56] <jeeves> Gnea, oh, sorry.  it's all internal IPs behind a NAT
[23:56] <_Whipper> !ot
[23:57] <sprinkmeier> jeeves, OK... here's where it gets nasty. ssh into the server (ubuntu, right?) and then ping-flood the gateway (run the ping-flood with a time-limit, just in case). It'll keep the ARP tables full of the 'right' information and should allow you to keep your SSH session up.
[23:57] <Gnea> jeeves: ah, okay. well if they aren't running an internal DNS server then it sounds poorly setup. you could always clamp down arp addresses if you've got the access.
[23:57] <FlareDS> jeeves: you should have setup port forwarding
[23:58] <Gnea> sprinkmeier: why ping-flood when the arp command can lock it in place?
[23:58] <sprinkmeier> Gnea, it's the gateway's ARP table you're trying to fix in place, not the servers.
[23:58] <FernandoF> hello
[23:58] <afreq> arg bugs in my client
[23:58] <jeeves> Gnea, lol, trust me, if this wasn't the only high speed connection option in the area, I'd be all over it.  the network Natzi won't allow ANYTHING to run on the network (including e-mail (allthough, we have ours running) even on a business account).
[23:58] <afreq> if you type a ":" in your message everything after dissapears!
[23:59] <jeeves> FlareDS:  I'd love to, but we don't have access to the router
[23:59] <ScottG489> unop: no that just removes the single package
[23:59]  * Flare183 = FlareDS
[23:59] <Gnea> sprinkmeier: if enough servers could set the gateway...
[23:59] <Flare183> jeeves: That sucks
[23:59] <jj_galvez> compiz raise on click is broken
[23:59] <LjL> ScottG489: not when done with aptitude, no
[23:59] <LjL> ScottG489: alternatively anyway, sudo apt-get autoremove packagename
[23:59] <Flare183> !hi | FernandoF


[10:06] <fb0x> ljudi jel zna neko kako se instaliraju .pcf.gz fontovi?
[10:07] <Anpu> pogledaj ovde: http://gobase.org/dict/JIS/helponXfonts.html
[10:09] <fb0x> nasao sam vec ovo ali nije to sto meni treba
[10:39] <fb0x> jel ima neko mozda erusfont ttf?
[10:39] <fb0x> da mi okaci negde, ne mogu da se zezam sa ovim xD
[12:09] <TildaTurn> <O
[18:05] <olujicz> Githzerai: na lomaču!!!
[18:05] <maletaski> lol
[18:08] <Ddpbf> па и ви сте могли да исправите
[18:08] <Ddpbf> не да ме дозивате
[18:08] <Ddpbf> ццц
[18:11] <olujicz> baš mi se dopada novi choqok
[18:12] <Githzerai> zar je stigao novi?
[18:12] <olujicz> 1.2
[18:14] <Githzerai> eeeeeeeee, otkad to kod mene stoji.....:P
[18:15] <olujicz> nisam koristio mikro blogovanje neko vreme
[18:30] <Atlantic777> fogmaker: hajd na pvt, može?
[18:48] <fogmaker> Na sta?!
[18:51] <fogmaker> Atlantic777: Obozavam te tinejdj kratice, koje niko nerazume ko predje 25.
[18:52] <Atlantic777> pvt = private :D
[18:52] <Atlantic777> query
[18:52] <Atlantic777> kako god
[18:54] <nemysis>  /qeruy user :D
[19:21] <sladen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585
[19:21] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:21] <sladen> please could somebody check the alternatives offered in the PDF
[19:21] <sladen> "Ubuntu 2" and "Ubuntu 3"
[19:21] <sladen> (well as many people as possible!)
[19:24] <Atlantic777> sladen: the last 2 examples in each font aren't correct.
[19:24] <Atlantic777> If I understood correctly what are you asking for. :D
[19:24] <sladen> Atlantic777: right, so we're working on trying to fix that.  And I need to feedback to Dalton Maag about whether the redesigns are any better
[19:25] <Atlantic777> sladen: oh, it looks ok for me, let me check it with the lords. :D
[19:27] <sladen> Atlantic777: have you got the PDF from comment #19   "Ubuntu_DesignModif_2011-11-28_addProp.pdf
[19:29] <Atlantic777> sladen: yeah, looking at it at the moment.
[19:32] <Githzerai> sladen: AFAIC, these are just fine. I wouldn't touch anything.
[19:32] <sladen> Githzerai: "these" ?
[19:33] <sladen> Githzerai: can you be more specific?
[19:33] <Githzerai> That PDF in comment #19
[19:34] <Githzerai> ЋЂћђ look as they should
[19:34] <Githzerai> though I never had any problems with current Ubuntu font, whatever version
[19:35] <sladen> Githzerai: which do you prefer from the "Ubuntu 2" or "Ubuntu 3" sample?
[19:36] <promis> Everything looks fine to me: TtТтЋћЂђ
[19:37] <Githzerai> sladen: ubuntu3, smaller font siszes might benefit from "-" placed a bit higher
[19:38] <Githzerai> *sizes
[19:38] <promis> For me > Ubuntu 3
[19:39] <sladen> Githzerai: so the 'knee' in ЋћЂђ all at the same (lower height), but the cross-bar at the same height as the 'Т' ?
[19:40] <sladen> promis: thank you very much.  Would you be able to add that you prefer "Ubuntu 3" (and why) on the bug report at:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585
[19:40] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:41] <promis> Okay
[19:43] <Githzerai> sladen: uppercase letters both for ubuntu2 and 3 are fine. Lovercase letters for ђ & ћ are better in ubuntu3. That "crossbar" should be above second blue line (above, not on the top like in uppercase)
[19:43] <promis> sladen: It looks like Ћ is shorter in height than Ђ
[19:45] <Githzerai> sladen: that Corbel font is a good comparrison, it's about the right height for the "crossbar"
[19:56] <sladen> promis: in which example does Ћ look shorter than Ђ
[19:56] <sladen> (sorry for asking lots of questions, I need to be really clear before I can try to rely any information back)
[19:57] <promis> In both. Well, in all. But, maybe it is just an illusion.
[19:57] <sladen> btw, if neither are perfect, don't be afraid to say.  You're going to live with the result for 20 years!
[19:58] <sladen> promis: is it the bowl/knee that makes it look shorter.  Or the top bar
[19:58] <promis> the top bar
[20:00] <sladen> promis: Githzerai: is the width of the hook about right;  short it be wider, or narrower?
[20:01] <sladen> Githzerai: would you be able to post your thought/comment about prefering the Lowercase in Ubuntu3 too (basically say what you already said, but on the bug report)
[20:02] <sladen> and then when you've done that, could everyone look over the proposed improvement to nj/lj:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192
[20:02] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[20:02] <Githzerai> sladen: of course, np. Also, the "crossbar" width is just fine
[20:03] <sladen>  /topic Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте  http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите  http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | У току је надоградња форумског софтвера. | Сербиан фонта: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 http://launch
[20:03] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:07] <sladen> и #654192
[20:07] <Githzerai> OK :)
[20:08] <Githzerai> I hate topic limitations :/
[20:08] <sladen> http://pad.lv/784585 i и http://pad.lv/654192
[20:08] <maletaski> :D
[20:09] <sladen> sorry
[20:09] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:09] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[20:10] <sladen> maletaski: now we've got your attention?  "Ubuntu 2" or "Ubuntu 3" ?
[20:10] <promis> sladen: I like the change in width for hook in Corbel and Lucida for ђ ћ. When it starts more narrow. Also for Ђ I like in Lucida that it is more round. Specificly that the middle of the hook is higher than begining. (sorry it's little difficult for me to express myself in english)
[20:11] <Atlantic777> My vote goes to Ubuntu 3, too. It looks more natural.
[20:11] <sladen> (we're aiming to get "normal", for as many people as possible)
[20:11] <maletaski> yap ubuntu 3
[20:11] <sladen> maletaski: -> bug report :)
[20:12] <maletaski> ok
[20:12] <maletaski> :)
[20:12] <sladen> maletaski: if you can, could you give reasons too.  (If you know them)
[20:12] <maletaski> ok
[20:12] <sladen> and if it still needs work, we can send it back for more
[20:13] <zag_> zdravo :)sto su vam vi hieroglifi Jedva upadol:(
[20:13] <maletaski> ?
[20:13] <Atlantic777> zag_: kakvi hieroglifi? Gde?
[20:13] <maletaski> pozdrav
[20:13] <maletaski> misliš na topic
[20:14] <zag_> pa kako da udjem na kanal ? Ako ne upisem one hieroglife Nema ulaska
[20:14] <maletaski> koje bre
[20:14] <maletaski> ne razumem
[20:14] <zag_> a oci me bas ne sluze dobro
[20:14] <Atlantic777> aha, da nije captcha?   People who are more used to using Ubuntu
[21:44] <sladen> Atlantic777: if Launchpad is a blocker, we can work something out.  In this case, it's important that we get local feedback;  it affects everyone's desktop.  Now and in the future
[21:46] <Atlantic777> sladen: uhm... I'll post about this in our „admin section“ of forum. We could get really good feedback on the forum.
[21:46] <sladen> Atlantic777: +1
[21:46] <Atlantic777> sladen: how can we contact you about this?
[21:47] <Atlantic777> mail, launchpad?
[21:47] <Atlantic777> or just to tell people to write comments at that bug report?
[21:49] <Atlantic777> Many of them don't even understand nor can write in English. Could we write some global summary for our community?
[21:50] <sladen> Atlantic777: replies in Serbian (and Serbian Cyrillic are fine)
[21:51] <sladen> Atlantic777: ideally -> the bug reports.  So that it doesn't get lost
[21:51] <sladen> Atlantic777: if you really need to, then email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is fine
[21:51] <Atlantic777> sladen: ok, just to know. :)
[21:52] <sladen> Atlantic777: if you're able to phrase and *ask* other people (in Serbian) then, as you note, it's probably got a better chance of being understood
[21:54] <Atlantic777> sladen: it seems that wi have to do it that way in case we (you, them) want some useful feedback.
[21:54] <Atlantic777> s/wi/we
[21:54] <sladen> :)
[22:06] <Atlantic777> sladen: ok, I've just posted a note on forum and we'll see tomorow what can be done.
[22:06] <Atlantic777> That would be all from me for today.
[22:06] <Atlantic777> gn ;)
[22:07] <Atlantic777> ajd, ln i ostalima o/
[22:07] <sladen> Atlantic777: hvala!
[22:07] <sladen> Atlantic777: (it would be useful if you could comment on both bug reports too)
[22:08] <Atlantic777> sladen: actually I don't know what to say about nj/lj :/
[22:08] <Atlantic777> sladen: I'll read tomorow all comments and see what was the problem and what is changed.
[22:08] <sladen> Atlantic777: does that mean it's better, or worse, or you can't tell (which is allowed)
[22:08] <sladen> Atlantic777: okay.  Sleep well
[22:34] <uros1> sladen:  me too, must go to sleep, sorry for my low activity here,  tough day on work :)
[22:35] <fb0x> ljudi koliko sam se ja istripovao kad sam video eng ovde haha xD
[22:35] <fb0x> mislio sam da sam promasio kanal xD
[22:39] <sladen> uros1: okay.  If you get a chance to look in the morning, it would be greatly appreciated
[22:40] <uros1> looking just now :)
[22:41] <Githzerai> Ima li neko pritužbe na forum posle nadogradnje?
[22:41] <sladen> uros1: PDF-y comment #19   N   PDF-y comment #47
[22:41] <Githzerai> Trebalo bi da sam ga barem malo ubrzao
[22:44] <uros1> meni je sasvim dobar odziv
[22:46] <Githzerai> uros1: ma napominjao sam mu se majke
[22:47] <uros1> sladen:  comment #19 Ubuntu 2 (lowercase cross-bar at x-height, bowl very below) looks okay with me
[22:48] <uros1> as you see bowl is exact lengt like in y
[22:50] <uros1> Githzerai: sasvim živahno
[22:52] <uros1> sladen: #47 it's acceptable
[22:54] <sladen> uros1: could you post to the bug reports themselves.  That way it doesn't get lost, and everyone can read it
[22:54] <uros1> shure
[22:54] <sladen> uros1: for #47.  "Acceptable".  Does that mean that you think it could be improved further?
[22:55] <uros1> no but i`m not expert, as user i think it`s look okay, consistent with other letters
[22:56] <Githzerai> sladen: any further improvement would be a matter of a personal taste. The most important thing is that by currently proposed design noone will have any doubt which letter that is.
[22:56] <sladen> Githzerai: any chance you could say that in the bug report too?
[22:57] <Githzerai> sladen: well, I'm trying, but still have only two hands :) it'll be there asap ;)
[22:58]  * sladen smiles!
[23:00] <uros1> sladen:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192/comments/49
[23:00] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[23:11] <Githzerai> my 2bits: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192/comments/50
[23:11] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[23:13] <Githzerai> A bre ljudi, ima li neko osim admina da progovori o serveru ? :) Jel vam sada brži forum, dajte malo fidbeka?  Great job you did.
[23:18] <sladen> Githzerai: are there any other Cyrillic letters that there are issues with?
[23:19] <sladen> Githzerai: (I think we have a fix for 'Г' in the monospace too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784549)
[23:19] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784549 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu) "Mono: Style: Cyrillic Ghe Г has incorrect bottom serif and looks strange" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:20] <uros1> sladen: indeed, okay now
[23:22] <sladen> uros1: +addcomment :)
[23:22] <uros1> typing...
[23:27] <uros1> 12:30 here, must go to sleep, hard day tomorrow too
[23:27] <uros1> good night to all ili laku noć svima
[23:28] <Githzerai> sladen: sry, stupi forum is giving me a headache. I'm using ubuntu font as a standard font in KDE, but haven't seen any other problematic letters. Maybe  шШ.  Lowercase ш doesn't seem "even" on both sides... or am i blind?
[23:30] <Githzerai> well, I guess I am blind....
[23:30] <Githzerai> It's even afterall
[23:32] <sladen> Githzerai: it might not be if it's hinted.  Can you screenshot what you're actually seeing
[23:36] <Githzerai> sladen: I hope you'll see it http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2P/SC/1sPCB3ux/thing.png
[23:38] <Githzerai> When the font size is above 12, it's all even. But it seems to me that when the fonnt size is as small as on the pisture, lowercase ш doesn't have even sides, lef and right
[23:38] <Githzerai> *damn typos, sry
[23:38] <sladen> Githzerai: yes, I see it.  It's a hinting issue.  Could you copy and paste  '' and '' in there too and retake the screenshot
[23:39] <sladen> Githzerai: they give debugging information
[23:40] <sladen> Githzerai: then file it against:  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+filebug?field.title=Hinting:+Mono:+Cyrillic+lowercase+sha
[23:42] <Githzerai> sladen: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2i/O6/4isXyEhk/utf1.png
[23:42] <Githzerai> I do hope you speak utf8 :)
[23:44] <sladen> Githzerai: stick some spaces in there.  The digital read reads '12'.  Can you take it with the version number (0.800), hinting readout (12), and ш Ш ш Ш m M  all visible
[23:46] <sladen> 12 == 12 PPEM == 12 Pixels Per Em
[23:49] <sladen> Githzerai: any luck?
[23:51] <Githzerai> sladen: sry, got a phonecall, bbs