[07:20] <Somebody> he's also been to space... I don't think Bill Gates has been to space
[07:20] <intelikey> (:
[07:20] <tamacracker> Ok, I backed up the files I had on my Primary Slave drive, deleted the partition, formatted and remade it into ext3 partition again... how do I mount it so that it shows as a hard drive?   Can anyone help me?
[07:20] <intelikey> Somebody he may own it ???
[07:20] <tamacracker> Gparted is not giving me the option to mount my drive ><
[07:21] <intelikey> !info mount
[07:21] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-11ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 400 kB
[07:21] <intelikey> !fstab
[07:21] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:22] <intelikey> !Partitions
[07:22] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:22] <tamacracker> thanks intelikey
[07:22] <intelikey> !DiskMounter
[07:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[07:23] <ForgeAus> intelikey!
[07:23] <ForgeAus> I got a bit further!
[07:23] <intelikey> !intelikey
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intelikey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <ForgeAus> riofl
[07:23] <intelikey> ForgeAus oh you mean that didn't boot for you ?
[07:24] <tamacracker> ack.. it doesn't tell me how to mount ><
[07:24] <ForgeAus> it booted back to the recovery shell ash/busybox thingy
[07:24] <ForgeAus> but now I know some new things
[07:24] <intelikey> that's not recovery shell
[07:24] <ForgeAus> tama still mounting trouble?
[07:24] <intelikey> that's initramfs system
[07:24] <ForgeAus> yeah that one
[07:24] <ForgeAus> but I fixed that
[07:24] <ForgeAus> I copied some stuff missing from the LiveCD
[07:24] <ForgeAus> to the root filesystem
[07:24] <tamacracker> Forge yeah I needed to mount it just so i could back up my files, now I need to mount it as a hard drive
[07:24] <ForgeAus> now it gets 75% through the bar
[07:25] <intelikey> what exactly did you copy ?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> mount it as a hard drive? what do you mean?
[07:25] <tamacracker> so that it's known as a hard disk
[07:25] <ForgeAus> um... I got mc to do a compare and copy over things that weren't there
[07:25] <intelikey> tamacracker heh
[07:25] <ForgeAus> tama things in Linux that get mounted aren't known as a hard drive or not a hard drive
[07:25] <tamacracker> ok ok
[07:25] <ForgeAus> they're all in the /dev/ table
[07:25] <intelikey> no such critter in linux.  you mount file systems.
[07:26] <ForgeAus> if its mounted its mounted..
[07:26] <tamacracker> i see...
[07:26] <ForgeAus> its not mounted AS anything but a filesystem as intelikey just said
[07:26] <ForgeAus> so I don't know why I'm repeating myself
[07:26] <ForgeAus> erm why I'm repeating him anyway
[07:26] <tamacracker> ok forgive me but how may i remount it again?
[07:26] <ForgeAus> whatever
[07:26] <ForgeAus> use sudo mount <device> <mountdirectory>
[07:27] <intelikey> mount <device_node> <mount_point>
[07:27] <ForgeAus> before it was sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[07:27] <intelikey> yeah as root  ^
[07:27] <tamacracker> wok brb
[07:27] <ForgeAus> (but you need to add the directory if its not there...
[07:27] <ForgeAus> so sudo mkdir /media/hdb1 (if none already exists)
[07:27] <ForgeAus> if one does it probably won't let you do that
[07:28] <intelikey> tamacracker you can have it automatically mounted at boot time by adding the info into the fstab
[07:28] <tamacracker>    /media/hdb1
[07:28] <intelikey> as per all the links ubotu mentioned.
[07:28] <ForgeAus> kewl intelikey but I odn't now how to od that
[07:28] <tamacracker> but it says i have 13gb of freespace <,<
[07:28] <ForgeAus> wow awesome! you h ave freespace!
[07:28] <tamacracker> yeah that's what i want intelikey
[07:28] <ForgeAus> can I buy some off you? lol!
[07:28] <tamacracker> lol Forge
[07:29] <tamacracker> my point is... my hard drive that im gonna mount is 80gb
[07:29] <tamacracker> of free space
[07:29] <tamacracker> why is there 13gb?
[07:29] <ForgeAus> tma its only showing you the 13 gig from your root filesystem don't worry about it
[07:29] <tamacracker> intelikey, i want my storage drive to always be mounted when i log onto linux
[07:29] <tamacracker> oh ok
[07:29] <intelikey> if it's a permanant i'd use something like /storage    or /home/extra   or something.  but that's just me.  i don't like /media   i like /mnt  or /disks  as a designation for mountpoints.
[07:29] <ForgeAus> you need to view the proeprties of the DEVICE not your hdd
[07:29] <tamacracker> exactly
[07:30] <tamacracker> that's what i want to name my drive
[07:30] <tamacracker> or the folder >.>
[07:30] <tamacracker> storage
[07:30] <ForgeAus> intelikey I agree... useful names are good
[07:30] <ForgeAus> (media is just where linux likes to put it so I use that.... but you can name it something more meaningful to you)
[07:30] <[aegis] > What is the difference between the CD and DVD releases of Kubuntu? What additional packages are added?
[07:31] <intelikey> tamacracker sudo mkdir /storage && sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:31] <ForgeAus> good question aegis I have no idea! lol
[07:31] <tamacracker> ok gonna do that righ tnow
[07:31] <ForgeAus> probably koffice for one
[07:31] <[aegis] > I installed the 32bit version CD on my macbook, but I'm tempted to wipe it and install the 64bit version... I don't know what benefit I would get from the dvd though
[07:31] <tamacracker> ok
[07:32] <intelikey> add this line to the fstab file and save.   "/dev/hdb1 /storage ext3 defaults 0 0 "
[07:32] <tamacracker> fstab is now open
[07:32] <tamacracker> cool
[07:32] <tamacracker> at the bottom?
[07:32] <tamacracker> or below my hda1?
[07:33] <intelikey> [aegis]  the install should be the same.   but more of the repo'd packages are on the dvd   iirc    plus alternate installation methoods are supported on the dvd
[07:33] <tamacracker> ok i added itall the way at the bottom, do i need to add this: udf,iso9660 user,noauto
[07:33] <tamacracker> or just leave it blank
[07:33] <ForgeAus> intelikey as for what I copied mostly just files out of /bin, /sbin and their /usr/ counterparts (ie /usr/bin and /usr/sbin/) that was not on my root filesystem...
[07:34] <intelikey> why would you add "udf,iso9660 user,noauto"  that ?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> It seems like my ubuntu-minimal was somehow messed with
[07:34] <ForgeAus> which makes sense because it did show up in the autoremove list
[07:34] <tamacracker> well not that specifically
[07:34] <tamacracker> but somethin that gives me 100% permission to the drive?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> iso9660 is for CD drives mostly
[07:35] <ForgeAus> "ro" vs "rw" is what gives you access or not
[07:35] <ForgeAus> rw for readwrite and ro for read only
[07:35] <intelikey> tamacracker it's ext3   permissions is not controled by mount.
[07:35] <tamacracker> yeah rw
[07:35] <ForgeAus> oh and theres also the -o user flag on the mount command
[07:35] <tamacracker> ok
[07:35] <tamacracker> i also remember typing 700 or something lik ethat
[07:35] <ForgeAus> but intelikey seems to know more about what he's talking about
[07:36] <intelikey> only on M$ file systems does mount set a pseudo permissions bit   because M$ doesn't have permissions bits
[07:36] <ForgeAus> tama you might need sudo or kdesu to do anything toher than read from the drive
[07:36] <tamacracker> ack no no
[07:36] <tamacracker> i wanna write onto
[07:36] <tamacracker> without passwords
[07:36] <ForgeAus> also if its ntfs its best just to mount it as read-only anyway
[07:36] <tamacracker> read/write
[07:36] <tamacracker> naw it's ext3
[07:36] <ForgeAus> unless you use fuse
[07:36] <ForgeAus> !fuse
[07:36] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[07:37] <intelikey> ForgeAus no.
[07:37] <intelikey> tamacracker no.
[07:37] <tamacracker> ok
[07:37] <ForgeAus> ext3 you don't need fuse
[07:37] <tamacracker> sorry for being hard...
[07:37] <tamacracker> hard time that is.
[07:38] <intelikey> it's ext3   just put the line i posted and don't argue.    permissions are set with chown and chmod just like they are on all other "linux" file systems.
[07:38] <tamacracker> ok intelikey, after i save the fstab
[07:38] <tamacracker> understood
[07:38] <intelikey> after you safe it  sudo mount -a
[07:38] <tamacracker> ok
[07:39] <intelikey> mount      should now show it as mounted  as should  df -h
[07:39] <tamacracker> ok one last question
[07:40] <tamacracker> why is it showing only 68gb
[07:40] <tamacracker> where's my other 12gbs?
[07:40] <intelikey> tamacracker hmm i don't know.    sudo fdisk -l
[07:40] <tamacracker> ok
[07:41] <surgy> good night
[07:41] <intelikey> ForgeAus how is the system acting now ?
[07:41] <intelikey> surgy ttfn
[07:41] <tamacracker> /dev/hdb1               1        9599    77103936   83  Linux
[07:41] <tamacracker> /dev/hdb2            9600        9964     2931862+   5  Extended
[07:41] <surgy> ttfn?
[07:41] <surgy> oh well night
[07:42] <tamacracker> /dev/hdb5            9600        9964     2931831   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:43] <ForgeAus> acting?
[07:43] <ForgeAus> um like I said it gets to 75% on the startup bar before login screen
[07:44] <intelikey> tamacracker obviously only 77g were in that partition  3g allocated to swap    (over kill)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> at last attempt, and I  havn't done anything to change that since
[07:44] <intelikey> ForgeAus and then it does what ?
[07:45] <ForgeAus> (it also boots into recovery console if I choose to)
[07:45] <ForgeAus> it freezes at 75%
[07:45] <ForgeAus> does nothing
[07:45] <ForgeAus> no X (or is it KDM?)
[07:46] <ForgeAus> I tried aptitude -install ubuntu-minimal from the recov console but no network
[07:46] <ForgeAus> (also its read-only filesystem in there)
[07:46] <tamacracker> what's linux swap for?!
[07:46] <ForgeAus> space to put stuff its working on...
[07:47] <tamacracker> lol
[07:47] <intelikey> ForgeAus ok safe/recovery/single user mode   try this   """"" sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)  """"""
[07:47] <tamacracker> oh lord
[07:47] <Dasnipa`> tamacracker, its used as slower ram for low priority apps
[07:47] <intelikey> tamacracker for paging out memory if it uses it all.
[07:47] <ForgeAus> um intelikey like I said no internet thats not going to help
[07:47] <tamacracker> lol
[07:47] <tamacracker> thanks guys
[07:48] <intelikey> ForgeAus most if not all of that will be on the install/live cd
[07:48] <ForgeAus> oh so how do I get to safe/recovery/user mode from the live cd?
[07:48] <ForgeAus> ahh I get it on reboot!
[07:48] <ForgeAus> brb
[07:48] <ForgeAus> I'll try that
[07:48] <ForgeAus> um but how am I going to remember that command?
[07:48] <intelikey> apt-cdrom   if you need to setup up the cd
[07:49] <intelikey> the old fassioned text editor ?
[07:49] <ForgeAus> ok
[07:49] <ForgeAus> kate into my info file (self notes)
[07:49] <intelikey> called a pen and paper
[07:50] <intelikey> wait pin.   that's like using echo for a text editor.... it writes just fine just doesn't edit very well.
[07:51] <ForgeAus> rofl
[07:51] <ForgeAus> pin? never heard of it
[07:51] <ForgeAus> I like pico
[07:51] <ForgeAus> nice and easy
[07:51] <ForgeAus> like a console version of notepad
[07:51] <ForgeAus> anyway I used kate
[07:51] <intelikey> ink pen
[07:51] <ForgeAus> its annoying you have to kdesu it tho
[07:52] <ForgeAus> anyway see you on the other side.... wherever that may lead
[07:53] <intelikey> heh pico
[07:53] <intelikey> pico is a symlink to nano
[07:55] <underdog5004> intelikey, seriously?
[07:55] <intelikey> look and see
[07:55] <intelikey> ls -l `which pico`
[07:55] <underdog5004> too lazy...can't browse...
[07:56] <asdfg> what's the package name for vi editor?
[07:56] <asdfg> i need to get it on my unix..
[07:56] <intelikey> !vim
[07:56] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:56] <underdog5004> ls: which pico: No such file or directory
[07:56] <snowrichard> vim
[07:56] <underdog5004> lol
[07:56] <asdfg> is it vim? vi is vim?
[07:56] <intelikey> underdog5004 you used the wrong quote marks.
[07:57] <underdog5004> VIM is VI Improved
[07:57] <intelikey> vim is vi improved
[07:57] <asdfg> because my old unix.. i ssh in and use the default vi.. i can't backspace with it!
[07:58] <underdog5004> intelikey, yep...it _is_ a symlink...how bizarre...any reason why?
[07:58] <asdfg> that's why maybe need new version of vi
[07:58] <underdog5004> asdfg, I prefer vim
[07:58] <underdog5004> more intuitive
[07:58] <intelikey> cause it's the same code underdog5004
[07:58] <underdog5004> but why even have it be differentiated from nano?
[07:59] <intelikey> some know pico some know nano.
[07:59] <intelikey> even if it's the same file.
[07:59] <asdfg> i don't like nano
[07:59] <asdfg> emacs?
[07:59] <underdog5004> do they have different controls or something?
[07:59] <asdfg> anyone use emacs
[08:00] <intelikey> man nano    man pico
[08:01] <asdfg> any helps on start up scripts? everytime i power on my laptop, i have to press ctrl-alt-f7 to get into xwindows..
[08:01] <intelikey> ah underdog5004 here is some usefull info on that Q   apt-cache show nano
[08:01] <asdfg> ever since i upgrade from dapper to edgy
[08:02] <intelikey> asdfg cool can you fix mine like that ?
[08:02] <intelikey> i'm kidding.....
[08:02] <asdfg> fix what?
[08:03] <intelikey> you mean it starts kde but never switches consoles from 8 to 7    ?
[08:03] <asdfg> !startup
[08:03] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[08:03] <asdfg> yup... its at 8 i think..or 1
[08:03] <intelikey> are you using kernel frame buffering for the vidio ?
[08:04] <asdfg> forgot..maybe i shd run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[08:04] <intelikey> yeah try that.
[08:04] <mena> hi intelikey
[08:04] <mena> how are you
[08:04] <intelikey> mena shalom
[08:04] <intelikey> good,  and you.
[08:04] <intelikey> ?
[08:04] <mena> good
[08:04] <asdfg> so should i not use the kernel frame buffering?
[08:05] <intelikey> asdfg well i just thought that's one of the few things that might cause that.
[08:05] <mena> Do you have experince in Amsn ....bec i wont o add to it a fonts its not on it so Do you have any idea
[08:05] <tamacracker> Anyone know the name of that GMAIL tray icon that lets you know when you have mail?
[08:06] <intelikey> mena no.  sorry i never have used amsn
[08:06] <mena> okay
[08:06] <intelikey> !amsn
[08:06] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[08:06] <mena> juano__, Is here
[08:06] <intelikey> !fonts
[08:06] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:07] <intelikey> mena the "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse)  might help you on that.  i don't know.
[08:07] <mena> okay i will see it
[08:07] <intelikey> !Multiverse
[08:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:09] <intelikey> tamacracker gmail specific ?    no idea.   i like xbif
[08:10] <ForgeAus> back
[08:10] <intelikey> err two f's
[08:10] <intelikey> xbiff
[08:10] <ForgeAus> two f's?
[08:10] <ForgeAus> xbiff? never heard of it
[08:10] <ForgeAus> whats xbiff?
[08:10] <tamacracker> yeah there's this program that puts a G icon on your tray
[08:10] <ForgeAus> and is it related to fibbx? lol (kidding)
[08:10] <tamacracker> you click it once and it opens gmail
[08:11] <ForgeAus> yeah you can get plugins for firefox to access gmail stuff too
[08:11] <ForgeAus> can even use it as HDD space on the net!
[08:11] <tamacracker> :P
[08:11] <intelikey> ForgeAus how goes the war ?
[08:11] <underdog5004> Gmail Notifier <[08:11] <underdog5004> I love it!
[08:11] <ForgeAus> not good
[08:12] <ForgeAus> coudln't use the recov console very well
[08:12] <ForgeAus> nothing seems to work in there
[08:12] <ForgeAus> it gets into it but doesn't seem to do much
[08:12] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, what are you trying to do in there?
[08:12] <ForgeAus> and the font is god-aweful
[08:12] <intelikey> hmm  missing lib's i persume
[08:12] <ForgeAus> probably
[08:12] <ForgeAus> no network
[08:12] <ForgeAus> no nothing
[08:12] <underdog5004> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/173/
[08:12] <ForgeAus> fix my kubuntu underdog
[08:12] <underdog5004> Gmail Notifier ^^^
[08:13] <ForgeAus> it broke again
[08:13] <ForgeAus> underdog notifier? why settle for just that?
[08:13] <underdog5004> uh
[08:13] <ForgeAus> lol
[08:13] <underdog5004> what's wrong w/ it?
[08:13] <ForgeAus> this time seems to be ubuntu minimal
[08:13] <underdog5004> your box, not gmail notifier
[08:13] <intelikey> ForgeAus i hate to be the pesimistic killjoy but most likely you are in for a reload before you get that streightened out.
[08:13] <ForgeAus> awww
[08:13] <tamacracker> Intelikey... I cannot write to my drive..
[08:14] <tamacracker> ><
[08:14] <ForgeAus> intelikey yes you can
[08:14] <underdog5004> ubuntu minimal?
[08:14] <tamacracker> im tryin to create a new folder.
[08:14] <ForgeAus> just sudo or kdesu the program first
[08:14] <intelikey> tamacracker sure you can.  set the permissions
[08:14] <ForgeAus> yeah underdog the package ubuntu-minimal
[08:14] <underdog5004> tamacracker, sudo mkdir /path/to/dir
[08:14] <ForgeAus> some dud package I installed seemed to decide ubuntu-minimal was obsolete
[08:14] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, which is?
[08:14] <tamacracker> intelikey
[08:14] <ForgeAus> and added it to auto-remove
[08:14] <tamacracker> if i use right click, properties, and go to permissions
[08:14] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, let me guess...you auto-removed?
[08:14] <tamacracker> im not allowed to access them.
[08:15] <underdog5004> lol
[08:15] <intelikey> tamacracker# sudo chown -R tamacracker /storage
[08:15] <tamacracker> ok
[08:15] <ForgeAus> yeah I thought something was wrong with it at the time... I just didn't really know what I was doing nor did I really think hard enough about it before I did it
[08:15] <ForgeAus> but I was just trying to keep apt happy
[08:15] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, you can't just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal?
[08:15] <tamacracker> intelikey, will it be permanently writable?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> um i can use the command but it doesn't work
[08:16] <intelikey> changes are permanant yes.
[08:16] <ForgeAus> I mean it accepts the command but the network doesn't get the files
[08:16] <ForgeAus> because it can't resolve
[08:16] <tamacracker>  sudo chown -R tamacracker /storage <- did nothing
[08:16] <tamacracker> did you mean -rw?
[08:16] <intelikey> no
[08:16] <ForgeAus> !uae
[08:16] <ubotu> uae: The Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator: Base. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.8.22-1 (edgy), package size 584 kB, installed size 2004 kB
[08:17] <tamacracker> i am
[08:17] <tamacracker> i am owner
[08:17] <tamacracker> this is my computer
[08:17] <intelikey> then it did something.
[08:17] <tamacracker> i want to access my computer's files lol
[08:17] <intelikey> so access them.
[08:17] <tamacracker> :\
[08:17] <tamacracker> it wont let me.
[08:17] <ForgeAus> try it again
[08:17] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, can you ping google?
[08:17] <ForgeAus> after chown it should let you
[08:17] <ForgeAus> underdog probably not
[08:17] <intelikey> open konqueror and browse ^ ^ ^ /storage
[08:17] <ForgeAus> do you want me to reset just to try that?
[08:18] <tamacracker> oh wait
[08:18] <tamacracker> im on gnome
[08:18] <tamacracker> maybe that's why.
[08:18] <underdog5004> bummer
[08:18] <ForgeAus> I'm assuming no... if it could do that there doesn't seem to be any reason apt-get wouldn't resolve dns'
[08:18] <intelikey> that's not why.  permissions are the same.
[08:18] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, oooh, major bummer
[08:18] <underdog5004> I'm no good at CLI config of network stuff...sorry
[08:19] <intelikey> tamacracker ok open nautilus and browse to /storage
[08:19] <tamacracker> ok im there
[08:19] <ForgeAus> same here underdog
[08:19] <intelikey> and do things.   you now own the dir.
[08:19] <tamacracker> lol
[08:19] <intelikey> rename move copy delete things.
[08:19] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, is that your only box?
[08:19] <tamacracker> intelikey
[08:19] <tamacracker> :(
[08:19] <ForgeAus> no but the other one is XP
[08:19] <tamacracker> i fully understand that chown lets me control my folder
[08:20] <tamacracker> but it's not happening.
[08:20] <underdog5004> ah...google around...
[08:20] <underdog5004> tamacracker, sudo chown username /path/to/folder
[08:20] <ForgeAus> whats not happening?
[08:20] <ForgeAus> what do you want to do with the folder?
[08:21] <intelikey> tamacracker ok.     pastebin the output of these commands.     ls -dl /storage ;mount
[08:21] <ForgeAus> copy a file to it
[08:21] <ForgeAus> make a new one?
[08:21] <ForgeAus> what?
[08:21] <tamacracker> sudo chown tamacracker /storage
[08:21] <tamacracker> yes?
[08:21] <tamacracker> i want to read, write, copy, delete, anything with my hard drive.
[08:21] <ForgeAus> its ext3 right?
[08:21] <ForgeAus> and you chowned it...
[08:21] <ForgeAus> so try copying a file to it, what happens?
[08:21] <intelikey> yes   pastebin the output.   ls  -dl /storage ;mount
[08:22] <underdog5004>                                                  tamacracker yep
[08:22] <underdog5004> chown == CHange OWNer
[08:22] <tamacracker> ok
[08:22] <tamacracker> im gonna do that
[08:25] <tamacracker> http://pastebin.com/871025
[08:25] <tamacracker> sorry pastebin hates me for some reason, takes forever to load up after i put the code in
[08:26] <intelikey> yeah it's really slow for me too tonight.
[08:26] <tamacracker> yep
[08:26] <notech> tamacracker: use pastebin.ca next time, it's much faster
[08:26] <intelikey> in fact i'm not sure i'm going to see that post.
[08:26] <d0uglas> is there an mdetect kidna thing, but for audio? funny thing, worked fine on the live cd, now i got nothing no matter which sound system i use.. messed with modconf, lspci reveals an intel ac'97 setup...
[08:26] <intelikey> ok you own the dir.
[08:27] <notech> pastebin.com has been very slow for me for me for months now
[08:27] <underdog5004> d0uglas, lspci
[08:27] <d0uglas> if i hit a volume button on my laptop kmix starts bugging out and i have to reboot
[08:27] <underdog5004> oh wait
[08:27] <tamacracker> http://pastebin.ca/332758
[08:27] <intelikey> and it's mounted rw  there is not any reason that you can't do anything you want in there.
[08:27] <underdog5004> nvm
[08:27] <tamacracker> :(
[08:27] <intelikey> tamacracker close nautilus and reopen it
[08:28] <d0uglas> lspci says i got an Intel Corp 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (1C H^ Family) AC'97 audio controller
[08:28] <intelikey> try that.  it may not have refreshed.
[08:28] <tamacracker> ok
[08:28] <tamacracker> it has to refresh?
[08:28] <tamacracker> i didn't know that
[08:28] <tamacracker> it works now
[08:28] <d0uglas> i do get a system beep
[08:29] <ForgeAus> grr gotta go back later
[08:29] <intelikey> i assume so.  konqueror does when you externally change things it's looking at.
[08:29] <tamacracker> i see
[08:29] <intelikey> so like i said you now own it you can do anything you want in there.
[08:29] <intelikey> and stop arguing with me.
[08:29] <intelikey> :)
[08:29] <d0uglas> hmm maybe i just dont have codecs fired up
[08:31] <spud> hello?
[08:32] <intelikey> tamacracker if you want to give other users full or partial access that can be done with the group permissions  and  the "other" permissions   by chown :their_group /storage    and chmod or using nautilus to adjust the access for the group accordingly.
[08:32] <tamacracker> yeah :P
[08:32] <intelikey> enjoy   and good luck to your penguin
[08:32] <d0uglas> Ahh hah! needed to chmod uoga+rwx /dev/dsp or add the user to the audio group or whatever
[08:33] <d0uglas> nice.
[08:33] <spud> yay vista hits shelves tomorrow
[08:33] <intelikey> d0uglas normally just adding to audio fixes that.
[08:35] <spud> anyone use kdevelop?
[08:35] <tanlaan> how do you format a drive? *im using a usb drive and want to format it*
[08:35] <spud> owww what the heck was that for?
[08:35] <intelikey> tamacracker just a note; it's good to remember the need to refresh things... could apply in the strangest places later on.
[08:36] <underdog5004> spud, vista? c'mon
[08:36] <tamacracker> ha yeah ill keep that in mind intelikey, thanks for your help guy :)
[08:36] <spud> the sooner it tanks the sooner my fam will switch to ubuntu
[08:36] <underdog5004> tanlaan, cfdisk
[08:36] <intelikey> tanlaan you don't format it.   you make a file system on it.    mkfs.<type> /dev/<device>
[08:37] <intelikey> tamacracker anytime.
[08:37] <underdog5004> tanlaan, oh, wait...that's for partitions...sorry
[08:37] <tanlaan> haha
[08:37] <underdog5004> spud...I don't know...vista _seems_ pretty stable...
[08:37] <tanlaan> intelikey: and making a file system automagically formats the drive
[08:37] <tanlaan> intelikey: :D
[08:38] <intelikey> tanlaan no.  you don't format things in linux.
[08:38] <intelikey> you just make file systems
[08:38] <spud> yea, but drm will piss them off real quick
[08:38] <intelikey> drm   !
[08:38] <spud> and when they realize aero wont work on their machines...
[08:38] <spud> hehehe
[08:39] <intelikey> what's "aero" ?
[08:39] <spud> aero glass=beryl/compiz/aqua
[08:39] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[08:39] <spud> m$ playing catchup
[08:40] <tanlaan> intelikey: what is the difference?
[08:40] <intelikey> tanlaan in laymans terms there isn't any.
[08:40] <will> hey guys what's the command to copy a folder to a different directory (on a different hard drive
[08:40] <intelikey> in technitions terms one is a M$ thing the other is a *nix thing  :)
[08:41] <spud> im willing to bet aero wont be near as flexible/customizable
[08:41] <intelikey> will cp -a dir /new/location
[08:42] <kraut> moin
[08:43] <spud> i just hope my boss doesnt come into my office some day and tell me corporate wants to upgrade
[08:43] <will> gracia
[08:43] <intelikey> or in some cases cp -a /path/to/dir /new/location/to/copy/to    but you should man cp on that  you may want to cut the leading path form the copy.
[08:45] <spud> so is kde4 gonna be worth a poo?
[08:45] <intelikey> worth a poo to a poo i guess
[08:45] <spud> i see
[08:46] <spud> prolly gonna be super-resource intensive
[08:46] <Jucato> prolly? and this is based on?
[08:46] <Phlosten> spud: actually, from what I have heard it is supposed to be quite resource efficient
[08:46] <spud> whew
[08:46] <spud> i hope so
[08:47] <intelikey> well not all that glitters is gold  and as soon as the "new" wares off  (in here that takes about 3 weeks) then it's just some more trash that the developers should have never wasted their time writing...
[08:48] <Jucato> "should have never wasted"... and who's to tell them that? who should tell them what they should work on?
[08:48] <Jucato> bah
[08:48] <intelikey> but for the 6 weeks  before it releases  "it's gona be so much better than the old that if you don't upgrade you are a fool"    hehhe.
[08:48] <Phlosten> upgrade you fools!
[08:48] <spud> im just following the typical software flow... yesterday it needed 128MBRAM, now it needs 1GBRAM, ya know
[08:48] <Jucato> intelikey: on the contrary, they are not saying anything like that
[08:49] <intelikey> Jucato i'm just echoing public openion in this channel.
[08:49] <Phlosten> spud: i think you are confusing Vista with KDE
[08:49] <Jucato> your opinion is public opinion?
[08:49] <underdog5004> will, cp /path/to/source/* /mnt/device/foldername
[08:49] <spud> hey i love kde
[08:49] <Jucato> this is the first time I've heard that "public opinion"
[08:49] <underdog5004> whoa...sorry...time warp
[08:49] <intelikey> Jucato have you not watched the hipe before any thing new releases and the disapointment after ?
[08:50] <Jucato> intelikey: are you confusing the earlier discussion about Dapper/Edgy with KDE 4?
[08:50] <intelikey> Jucato no.
[08:51] <underdog5004> Aero blows compared to Beryl/Compiz
[08:51] <intelikey> i'm recalling what happened when breezy dapper and edgy released   the chatter that went through this channel.
[08:51] <Jucato> the KDE devs know it for a fact that KDE 3.5 (heck even 3.4 probably) will still be used for a long time, even after KDE 4.0. KDE 4 will only begin to settle in by KDE 4.1+
[08:51] <Jucato> intelikey: then you are confusing Ubuntu and KDE
[08:51] <spud> i have an example, i had edgy on my lappy... very slow, unbearable... installed dapper and now it flies!
[08:51] <intelikey> it may be confusing to you....
[08:51] <waylandbill> how can anything blow compared to alpha software that's not complete and not useful enough yet?
[08:52] <Jucato> it's not confusing to me. but don't apply "public opinion" of Ubuntu releases to KDE
[08:52] <spud> simma
[08:52] <underdog5004> waylandbill, maybe not useful, but very pretty
[08:52] <intelikey> it's not just *ubuntu.  it's any software.
[08:53] <intelikey> was the same when windows 95 released.
[08:53] <Jucato> "Disambiguation "KDE 4", did you mean "KDE 4.0"?" http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2600
[08:53] <intelikey> has been the same with everything that i have paid any attention to
[08:53] <underdog5004> more features == more required resources
[08:53] <spud> w3Rd
[08:53] <mena> is there an applet like forcequit wich its in ubuntu is like that for kubuntu
[08:53] <waylandbill> otherwise 640k ram would've been sufficient
[08:54] <underdog5004> mena, killall processname
[08:54] <spud> its all about that 640k
[08:54] <mena> okay thanks
[08:54] <waylandbill> there is xkill also.
[08:54] <spud> sudo killall -9 processname
[08:55] <intelikey> mena alt+ctrl+esc
[08:55] <spud> hahaha
[08:55] <spud> whered my X go?
[08:55] <spud> =(
[08:55] <underdog5004> waylandbill, I read a quote recently: Bill Gates: People will never need more than 640k RAM. Bill Gates: Windows 95 requires 64Mb of RAM. Conclusion: Nobody needs Windows.
[08:55] <intelikey> should give you a little skull and crossbones   click that on anything
[08:55] <spud> good call underdog
[08:56] <mena> intelikey, realy i will try it ......cool
[08:56] <underdog5004> thx
[08:56] <mena> intelikey, tnx man
[08:56] <waylandbill> underdog5004: see... truth is stranger than fiction. :-D
[08:56] <intelikey> mena np.
[08:56] <underdog5004> lol
[08:56] <mena> hahaha
[08:57] <mena> ^_^
[08:57] <intelikey> Windows 95 requires 64Mb of RAM ????  that's a lie.
[08:57] <spud> just got anime in here
[08:57] <spud> i thought it was 16
[08:57] <intelikey> no it's not even 8M required.
[08:57] <spud> win98 needed 64 i think
[08:58] <intelikey> and no 98 only required 16
[08:58] <spud> win98se?
[08:58] <underdog5004> well, whatever, you get the point...lol
[08:58] <spud> i wouldnt subject myself to such torture
[08:59] <spud> man windows sucks
[09:00] <intelikey> yeah same point.  but it's like saying kubuntu 6.10 requires 256m to run.   it does no such thing.  it requires 148+M to install via the gui installer  but to run 16M will run linux and 32m will run linux + kde  without swap.   (note it needs 64m if you do much of anything or some swap space one.)
[09:01] <spud> well we aint just gonna sit and stare at kde all day
[09:01] <waylandbill> that's just the OS. who needs to run software on top of that. the desktop is good enough to just look at. :-D
[09:01] <intelikey> but the required to run is the bare minimum.  not the comfort zone.
[09:01] <spud> i have 192mb dappers runnin ok
[09:01] <spud> i use opera of course
[09:02] <spud> ff just too slow
[09:02] <intelikey> spud yes i ran in 192m with no swap for a year  also on another box with 96m and no swap.
[09:02] <waylandbill> doing a bunch of compiling and 512 works for this laptop.
[09:02] <spud> i feel ya brotha
[09:02] <underdog5004> intelikey, you like to live dangerously
[09:03] <waylandbill> off to work. laters
[09:03] <intelikey> compiling is not very ram laydent    you can build the newest kernel in 32m ram  in the console.  no problemo
[09:03] <spud> anybody here use /dev/urandom to trick your boss into thinkin youre workin? =D
[09:03] <intelikey> underdog5004 danger ?
[09:04] <underdog5004> spud, lol
[09:04] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh...yeah...no memory left errors...
[09:04] <waylandbill> not with all the help documents open. :-D
[09:04] <spud> i thought i might get a laugh
[09:04] <intelikey> underdog5004 OOMK
[09:05] <underdog5004> spud, how do you do it?
[09:05] <musya> is there a way to backup your whole system?
[09:05] <spud> cat /dev/urandom
[09:05] <underdog5004> /dev/urandom...
[09:05] <underdog5004> ah, right
[09:05] <spud> then he looks at me like wtf
[09:05] <spud> and walks away
[09:05] <intelikey> spud /dev/random would be better for that.  it is not as fast.
[09:05] <intelikey> musya many ways.
[09:06] <spud> random waits for entropy, i need characters to be displayed quickly and erratically
[09:06] <intelikey> musya what is the destination of the backup ?
[09:06] <spud> gives a sense of urgency
[09:06] <musya> a way that backs up m settings, files....
[09:06] <musya> destiniation meaning directory?
[09:06] <flaccid> !backup
[09:06] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[09:06] <underdog5004> spud, I'm going to use that in the future!
[09:07] <spud> sweet
[09:07] <spud> did u try it?
[09:07] <musya> to have the bot find something you put! then the file?
[09:07] <intelikey> you do know that you may need    reset   after you cat /dev/*random   don't you.
[09:07] <underdog5004> yep...and I subsequently disabled all beeping notifications.
[09:07] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh...no
[09:07] <underdog5004> I didn't
[09:07] <spud> works fine here
[09:08] <underdog5004> why?
[09:08] <intelikey> clear wont fix the broken output.
[09:08] <flaccid> why do you need to reboot?
[09:08] <flaccid> wtf
[09:08] <intelikey> who said reboot ?
[09:08] <flaccid> what do you mean by reset
[09:08] <flaccid> reset what
[09:08] <intelikey> i mean reset
[09:08] <intelikey> the command
[09:08] <intelikey> try it.
[09:09] <flaccid> hmm why do you need to reset. i've never had to do that on unix
[09:09] <spud> im using yakuake, its workin fine
[09:09] <intelikey> you've never let   cat /dev/urandom run very long either.
[09:09] <underdog5004> hmm, ctrl + c isn't killing it...
[09:09] <spud> just long enough to make the man go away
[09:10] <intelikey> well it has a habbit of trashing the console/terminal output.    reset will normally fix it.
[09:10] <underdog5004> ok...just closed the konsole window
[09:10] <underdog5004> closed, opened, reset
[09:10] <flaccid> intelikey: i havnt. i've let it run for days :)
[09:11] <flaccid> htf can you read my mind ? hehe
[09:11] <flaccid> ok fair enough
[09:11] <flaccid> i wonder if the shell has anything to do with trashing the terminal
[09:11] <intelikey> could.
[09:11] <flaccid> or maybe its just linux
[09:11] <flaccid> :)
[09:11] <spud> hey now
[09:14] <spud> i wish there was a way to map sound thru xdmcp
[09:14] <underdog5004> hey hey hey, kde 3.5.6 is out!
[09:14] <spud> no packages for dapper tho =(
[09:14] <flaccid> isn't that the routine for lts?
[09:15] <spud> i guess... still sad
[09:15] <underdog5004> so...sudo apt-get install kde, right?
[09:15] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop i think
[09:16] <flaccid> !lts
[09:16] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[09:16] <flaccid> !support
[09:16] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[09:16] <RawSewage> is there a way to play H264 mkv files in Kubuntu
[09:16] <spud> underdog u have edgy?
[09:16] <RawSewage> it's all jerky or out of sync
[09:16] <underdog5004> bleagh, I forgot my cable service is broken...I'm downloading at dial up speeds...slow dial up at that!
[09:16] <underdog5004> spud, yep
[09:17] <flaccid> where can i read up on the LTS policy?
[09:17] <spud> didnt show up in adept updater?
[09:17] <intelikey> flaccid i think it is a lot more prone to affect the console than the terminal   xorg buffers that output pretty well.
[09:17] <underdog5004> !lts
[09:17] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[09:17] <underdog5004> hmmm, not what I wanted...
[09:17] <flaccid> intelikey: hmm ok. i know a new command now thanks hehe
[09:17] <underdog5004> bleagh, maxing out at 34 KBps...not fun!
[09:18] <underdog5004> and I pay for 4.3 Mbps
[09:18] <flaccid> thats better than dialup
[09:18] <underdog5004> Suddenlink sucks...
[09:18] <spud> kubuntu.org has the deb lines for your sources.list for kde3.5.6
[09:18] <flaccid> you talking in bits or bytes
[09:18] <spud> u might need them to get the latest kde
[09:18] <underdog5004> I've seen dial up at 50K
[09:19] <underdog5004> spud, uh...so what am I d/l'ing now?
[09:19] <underdog5004> flaccid, uh...Bytes
[09:19] <underdog5004> big B
[09:19] <flaccid> should always talk in bits
[09:19] <spud> thats faster than my dsl!
[09:19] <flaccid> for speeds
[09:19] <underdog5004> any particular reason?
[09:19] <flaccid> its the standard
[09:19] <flaccid> data rate
[09:20] <flaccid> i wouldn't complain about 34 kilobytes/sec
[09:20] <underdog5004> ah
[09:20] <spud> i will
[09:20] <underdog5004> I'm used to 500 from the repo's!
[09:20] <flaccid> when you say dialup what speed do you mean by 50K ?
[09:20] <underdog5004> 50 Kilobytes per second
[09:20] <underdog5004> I think...
[09:20] <intelikey> up / down  ?
[09:20] <flaccid> you do realise that is physically impossible
[09:20] <flaccid> even with burst
[09:20] <underdog5004> down
[09:20] <underdog5004> not sure about up...
[09:21] <underdog5004> maybe it is little b...
[09:21] <spud> sounds more like it
[09:21] <intelikey> yeah bits
[09:21] <underdog5004> flaccid, nothing's impossible with a little elbow grease...
[09:21] <underdog5004> or know-how!
[09:21] <underdog5004> yeah... 724B/s
[09:21] <intelikey> bits X 10 = bytes  ?   8 bit byte plus start and stop bit   ?
[09:21] <underdog5004> killer
[09:22] <underdog5004> bits X 8 = bytes...
[09:22] <spud> there are impossible things in this world
[09:22] <flaccid> thats incorrect. science...
[09:22] <underdog5004> I think
[09:22] <underdog5004> maybe your right...
[09:22] <flaccid> and also the protocol can't do that rate anyway...
[09:22] <flaccid> so impossible. physically yes.
[09:22] <underdog5004> v.92 can't? I know, nobody used it...but still...
[09:23] <flaccid> if you set it up modems won't be able to go at that rate
[09:23] <underdog5004> O RLY?
[09:23] <flaccid> the hardware is not rated at that rate to be able to physically de-modulate
[09:23] <spud> nice word
[09:23] <spud> de-modulate
[09:24] <flaccid> well modem does mean modulate :)
[09:24] <flaccid> afaik
[09:24] <intelikey> modem = MOdulate DEModulate
[09:24] <underdog5004> MOdulate/DEModulate
[09:24] <flaccid> oh yeah it does to
[09:24] <flaccid> there you go
[09:24] <flaccid> hehehe
[09:24] <underdog5004> lol, I win again
 afaik
 modem = MOdulate DEModulate
 MOdulate/DEModulate
[09:24] <intelikey> yep
[09:24] <flaccid> well thats true
[09:24] <flaccid> bit lame but
[09:24] <spud> an aardvark ate another apple
[09:24] <spud> whats that called?
[09:26] <spud> anybody?
[09:26] <translation> yes spud
[09:26] <flaccid> acid
[09:26] <intelikey> spud a lie ?    for $100
[09:26] <underdog5004> alliteration
[09:26] <spud> good job underdog
[09:26] <underdog5004> I win again
[09:26] <spud> woohoo
[09:26] <underdog5004> It's tough, always winning like this...oh well...
[09:27] <flaccid> irc is not about winning
[09:27] <translation> Does some oen here uses via k8m800?
[09:27] <spud> its about flaming
[09:27] <underdog5004> thank you, First of all, I'd like to thank my dad, who always supported me...
[09:27] <flaccid> indeed
[09:27] <intelikey> !botsnack
[09:27] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:27] <underdog5004> !flamer
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flamer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <spud> grrrr i hate linux im a troll grrr
[09:27] <underdog5004> Fuck you ubotu!
[09:27] <flaccid> !flaccid
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flaccid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <underdog5004> lol, now you do...
[09:28] <flaccid> heh
[09:28] <underdog5004> !life
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <AWOSLappy> hahahaha
[09:28] <underdog5004> !anything
[09:28] <intelikey> !botabuse
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:28] <underdog5004> !anything
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <AWOSLappy> hehe
[09:28] <underdog5004> I love it!
[09:28] <AWOSLappy> yeah underdog5004, /msg ubotu
[09:28] <underdog5004> ouch
[09:29] <AWOSLappy> do you really think he deserves a +b?
[09:29] <AWOSLappy> even I did that when I first discovered ubotu.
[09:30] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> what is a +b?
[09:30] <spud> bots r funny
[09:30] <flaccid> ban i guess
[09:30] <spud> underdog u had me rollin
[09:30] <Jucato> +b = ban from the channel
[09:30] <AWOSLappy> He can never join again.
[09:30] <Jucato> but actually, he was not really banned.
[09:31] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> who is he?
[09:31] <Jucato> he was just "quieted"
[09:31] <spud> whos banned?
[09:31] <AWOSLappy> underdog5004
[09:31] <spud> no way
[09:31] <spud> for?
[09:31] <flaccid> its a ban alright just hasn't been kicked
[09:32] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> how come he get a +b?
[09:32] <DBO> AWOSLappy, he didnt get a +b
[09:32] <intelikey> !language
[09:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:32] <DBO> he got a mute
[09:32] <intelikey> and
[09:32] <Jucato> it's not a real ban
[09:32] <intelikey> !botabuse
[09:32] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:32] <Jucato> This mode works like +b (ban user), but instead simply quiets the user. It is currently equivalent to a +b whose masked is prefaced by the percent sign (for example, "+b %foo" is equivalent to "+q foo").
[09:32] <spud> oh cuz he said a swear word?
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> Jucato but my client says "DBO sets a ban on ..."
[09:32] <flaccid> if he gets kicked can he re-join??
[09:32] <Jucato> AWOSLappy: "This mode works like +b (ban user)..."
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> Oh.
[09:32] <spud> what have we become
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> wow.
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> spud no...because he was playing with the bot
[09:33] <Jucato> AWOSLappy: read what I pasted
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> he was doing like !life and !anything
[09:33] <spud> oh no
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> Jucato I did.  I didn't realise that...
[09:33] <spud> cant have that
[09:33] <DBO> underdog5004, Im sure by now you've caught on, dont abuse the bot
[09:33] <underdog5004> whoa...sorry
[09:33] <Jucato> spud: he was unnecessarily playing with the bot, which is 1) flooding the channel and 2) can cause problems with the bot
[09:33] <Jucato> underdog5004: ^^^
[09:33] <underdog5004> DBO, gotcha
[09:34] <spud> keep your pinks off the bot udog
[09:34] <underdog5004> I was watching the whole time...just couldn't talk...
[09:34] <Jucato> underdog5004: yep. that's what the mute was for
[09:34] <intelikey> we know.
[09:34] <AWOSLappy> underdog5004 normally we do that in #kubuntu-offtopic though.
[09:34] <spud> very democratic in here
[09:34] <spud> i like
[09:35] <underdog5004> In soviet channel, you serve channel.
[09:35] <underdog5004> g'night
[09:35] <spud> later
[09:35] <intelikey> lol
[09:35] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> let's start a flame
[09:36] <spud> flame yay
[09:36] <spud> windoze sux @$$
[09:36] <Jucato> let's not
[09:36] <jurikkk> hello
[09:37] <spud> awwwwwwww
[09:37] <spud> dangit jucato
[09:37] <spud> can we talk about iran in here
[09:38] <intelikey> lets dont.
[09:38] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> how about the clasic gnome vs kde
[09:38] <Jucato> no
[09:38] <Jucato> !offtopic
[09:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:38] <spud> thanks ubotu
[09:38] <will> anyone want to talk about source lists and a butchered upgrade attempt by a newbie?
[09:38] <intelikey> lets dont.
[09:38] <intelikey> :)
[09:39] <will> Jucato: hey.  an old friend
[09:39] <intelikey> will what did you do to it ?
[09:39] <Jucato> will: what errors do you get now? and did you pastebin your sources.list so that we coudl check?
[09:39] <spud> changed all dappers to edgys?
[09:39] <tanlaan> umm, for some reason i cant install syslinux :\
[09:39] <tanlaan> im trying to make a bootable flash drive
[09:40] <will> Jucato: I don't know how to pastebin from the command prompt.  in fact, how do I check to make sure I'm even on the internet.  I'm concerned that could be BIT of a hang up
[09:40] <tanlaan> will i have to download and build it? instead of using adept
[09:40] <Jucato> will: oh yeah, you have no GUI right? hm....
[09:40] <will> Jucato: no gui
[09:40] <intelikey> Jucato i'm gonna leave it with you.   seeing that someone is here that can help.
[09:40] <tanlaan> *adept gives me an error saying i either cant download it or it would break other packages
[09:40] <intelikey> will gpm ?
[09:40] <Jucato> intelikey: I can't stay that long
[09:41] <will> intelikey: gpm?
[09:41] <spud> offtopic is dead
[09:41] <intelikey> well someone else can surely replace me.    this is not that hard.
[09:41] <Jucato> will: ok... what errors are you getting when you try dist-upgrade? and at which step did you stop in the upgrade guide?
[09:41] <intelikey> will gpm - General Purpose Mouse Interface
[09:41] <Jucato> spud: bring some friends over :)
[09:42] <intelikey> will  it's how we copy and paste from the console.
[09:42] <Jucato> will: GPM will allow you basic mouse functions even on a command line
[09:42] <elyon225> When locking a session, how can I prevent the screen save from coming up when another user logs in and then out again?  I'd like it to simply take them straight back to the login screen instead of prompting for a password.
[09:42] <nothlit> screen is also a great way to copy and paste
[09:42] <spud> friends? im on a computer, i have no friends =D
[09:42] <intelikey> but seeing that your installer is stuck....  or is it ?
[09:43] <Jucato> intelikey: he's trying to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy
[09:43] <intelikey> spud you also wont make many in here that way.
[09:43] <intelikey> Jucato yse i caught that much
[09:43] <topsy> I can't run any programs in kubuntu..Should i make some changes before i can do that?
[09:43] <intelikey> and has no gui now
[09:43] <spud> i think someone kill -9ed offtopic channel
[09:43] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah, typical edgy upgrade disaster
[09:43] <topsy> i have tried many different programs..but none of them runs
[09:43] <will> Jucato: when I try to update my sources it fails to download them
[09:44] <intelikey> topsy how are you trying to install them ?
[09:44] <spud> waddya mean intelikey?
[09:44] <Jucato> will: hm... you might have internet connection problems.  can you ping google? like "ping www.google.com"
[09:44] <intelikey> spud nothing.
[09:44] <topsy> i have tried to install them through command line..and throuh konqueror..
[09:44] <spud> =S
[09:45] <intelikey> topsy show me the command ?
[09:45] <will> Jucato: yeah I seem to be pinging alright
[09:45] <Jucato> will: in your sources.list? what servers are you using? us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:45] <will> Jucato: how do I get it to quit?
[09:45] <Jucato> will: Ctrl+C
[09:45] <intelikey> ^C
[09:45] <will> thank
[09:45] <will>  anoying
[09:46] <topsy> for example.../home/topsy/install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[09:46] <nothlit> !webboard | will
[09:47] <ubotu> webboard: Copy and paste to a public pastebin server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 188 kB
[09:47] <Jucato> !flash9
[09:47] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:47] <Jucato> topsy: you can install Flash 9 from the repositories ^^^
[09:47] <will> jucato: yes I've got a bunch of us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ... lines
[09:47] <intelikey> topsy ok that would be more like this.   sudo sh /home/topsy/install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[09:47] <Jucato> will: hm.. try removing all the "us."  from those lines, so that they will just be "archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[09:47] <Jucato> will: then sudo apt-get update
[09:48] <will> Jucato: what was the link to that guide again.  sorry, I had to switch support computers and can't find it now
[09:48] <Jucato> !upgrade | will
[09:48] <ubotu> will: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:48] <intelikey> so the command syntax was wrong. in the sense that permissions were probably not set executable and you were trying with non-root pribvledges.     what jucato said is the "prefered" methood.  use the package manager
[09:49] <intelikey> @ topsy ^
[09:49] <topsy> okay..
[09:50] <intelikey> will w3m  or  w3b which ever it is,  is a command line web-browser that is installed by default.
[09:50] <will> Jucato:thanks.  ok, it seemed to do more this time on the apt-get update.  however, it still failed to download or ignored some index files
[09:52] <will> jucato: ok, I'm getting new stuff now doing the same things as a few hours ago
[09:52] <will> Jucato: I don't think my computer was connecting to our wireless lan earlier.  I'm on a wired connection now
[09:53] <Jucato> will: hm... ok. try the steps again, starting from the "sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade" step
[09:53] <elyon225> Could someone tell me how to use Lock Session properly?  Right now, when I lock my session, and my roommate logs in and then out, it doesn't take her to the login screen, but prompts for MY password to unlock my session.  How can I make it take her straight to the login screen (so my session just keeps running in the background)?
[09:54] <will> Jucato: that is still giving me the same error... D:unmet dependencies (xutis-dev). try using -f
[09:55] <will> Jucato: however, now when I use -f in place of -u, it complains that I do not have enough memory space in my cache folder
[09:55] <Jucato> will: try to proceed to step 4? the one with "sudo apt-get install..."
[09:55] <Jucato> will: hm...
[09:55] <Jucato> try "sudo apt-get clean" first
[09:58] <will> Jucato: I've backed up all important info.  So I'm going to try deleting a rather large folder out of my home directory.  sound good?  if so how do I delete a folder call "My Videos"
[09:58] <will> Jucato: apt-get clean didn't work btw
[09:59] <Jucato> Jucato: hm... after running apt-get clean, you still have the "not enough memory space" error?
[09:59] <Jucato> er... will ^^^
[09:59] <will> Jucato: yes
[10:00] <Jucato> will: try this command "df -h" and see if your Linux partition is really eating up that much space
[10:00] <will> Jucato: as far as I can tell I need to get xutils-dev.  when I do apt-get -f dist-upgrade I think it might be trying to get that, but I don't have enough space to dl it
[10:00] <Jucato> er.. no
[10:00] <Jucato> sudo apt-get -f install
[10:00] <Jucato> not -f dist-upgrade
[10:00] <Jucato> will: but, first try the commands in step #4 (or is it #5?)
[10:01] <will> Jucato: I got "df: cannot read table of mounted file systems
[10:01] <Jucato> hm.. nvm df
[10:02] <Jucato> will: try step #5 first
[10:03] <tanlaan> !build
[10:03] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:04] <will> Jucato: its complaining about the same xutils-dev being absent
[10:04] <will> Jucato: (after doing step 5)
[10:05] <Jucato> will: hm... the command in #5 complains aobut xutils-dev not being present?
[10:06] <will> Jucato: yeah then the next line says "unmet dependencies.  try 'apt-get -f install' with no pachkages
[10:06] <Jucato> ok, try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:07] <will> Jucato: oh yeah!  we're doing something!
[10:07] <Jucato> nice
[10:17] <will> jucato: it did it!
[10:17] <Jucato> nice
[10:18] <Jucato> now go on with the upgrade steps
[10:18] <will> jucato: I'm going to move on down the list and see what happens.  thanks for all of your help!
[10:18] <Jucato> you're welcome
[10:18] <will> Jucato: actually which step should I go to now?
[10:20] <Jucato> will: hm... good question... not sure if #4 or #5 though...
[10:20] <Jucato> try with #4
[10:34] <tamacracker> Jucato
[10:34] <Jucato> huh?
[10:34] <tamacracker> i have a question for you
[10:34] <tamacracker> a little bit ago
[10:34] <tamacracker> i mounted my slave drive
[10:34] <tamacracker> ext3
[10:35] <tamacracker> i have another ext3 hard drive on slave setting... can i shut off my pc swap the hard drives and still be recognized?
[10:35] <tamacracker> or do i need to remount?
[10:36] <Jucato> unless you are using UUID's in your fstab for those drives, you'll hve to modify your mount, because the /dev/hd** will change
[10:36] <tamacracker> well wouldn't they both be hdba1?
[10:36] <tamacracker> since they're both gonna be primary slave?
[10:37] <Jucato> ah you're going to take out the other one? hdb would be correct
[10:37] <tamacracker> only difference between the two is the sizes
[10:37] <Jucato> and yes, you don't have to change I guess
[10:37] <tamacracker> so the size won't make a difference?
[10:37] <tamacracker> alright im doin the freezer trick
[10:37] <Jucato> nope. afaik it won't
[10:38] <tamacracker> i gotta quickly back up my files from my hard drive that's in the freezer lol
[10:38] <Jucato> O.O
[10:38] <tamacracker> yeah the hard drive decided to lock up on me
[10:38] <tamacracker> so bios doesn't recognize it
[10:38] <tamacracker> and it just wont startup.
[10:39] <tamacracker> supposedly the freezing will unlock the heads
[10:39] <Jucato> oh...
[10:39] <tamacracker> so the quicker i can access the drive the better, that's why i was askin about the whole mounting part.
[10:41] <tamacracker> gonna attempt it now :P
[10:41] <tamacracker> brb
[10:41] <Jucato> good luck
[10:42] <tamacracker> Thanks :D
[10:43] <dwidmann> Jucato, I figure there's a 50-50 chance of that ending in tears.
[10:44] <Jucato> dwidmann: probably... that's why I wished him luck :)
[10:45] <premier_> does either gaim or kopete have use aol file transfers?
[10:45] <dwidmann> reason a) Linux sometimes rearranges the drives (sdc could become sdc, etc) and I doubt he modified his menu.lst to use UUIDs. reason b) Well, this is the "duh" reason
[10:45] <dwidmann> Kopete can't do AIM(oscar) transfers
[10:45] <premier_> is gaim supperior to kopete?  I used it, but its a little buggy
[10:45] <dwidmann> can't remember if gaim can, try it and see.
[10:46] <cpk1> gaim can
[10:46] <dwidmann> I thought so
[10:47] <premier_> it seems that it can.  Thanks
[10:47] <cpk1> kopete shows alot of promise
[10:47] <cpk1> and you cant beat nice integration
[10:47] <dwidmann> I think gaim might be a little bit more mature. Still, yeah .... that's the words I was looking for, yes, Kopete shows promise
[10:48] <flaccid> no 3rd party multi-IM will be stable from maturity
[10:48] <will> jucato:ok, I'm running into the disk space problem again
[10:48] <Jucato> will: sudo apt-get clean
[10:48] <Jucato> will: there are some footnotes at the bottom of that page
[10:48] <will> can you tell me how to delete a folder named "My Videos"
[10:48] <will> Jucato: I did apt-get clean. didn't help
[10:49] <dwidmann> will: rmdir
[10:50] <Jucato> will: go to that folder (cd <folder name>) then "rm *"
[10:50] <Jucato> dwidmann: not if it's not empty
[10:50] <dwidmann> I know Jucato, there's always the somewhat evil rm -rf for that
[10:51] <Jucato> dwidmann: which I don't want to bother him with just yet...
[10:51] <Jucato> will: a simple trick if your folder name has spaces, type "cd My" then press Tab and continue typing the folder name
[10:51] <will> ok, so can I delete the whole folder (including subfolders) somehow?
[10:52] <dwidmann> "rm -rf My\ Videos"
[10:52] <Jucato> will: to delete everything, including subfolders, just "rm -rf <foldername>"
[10:52] <cpk1> there is no return from rm -rf
[10:52] <Jucato> cpk1: he has no X, that's the only way to delete
[10:53] <dwidmann> if you delete it with rm, it's gone, and there is no recovery.
[10:53] <Jucato> but I'm still not sure why apt-get clean won't work...
[10:53] <premier_> Ive used aol's proprietary software, and the 3rd party stuff is so much better, even windows users dont use the aim client
[10:53] <cpk1> Jucato: i wasnt saying it was bad to do just making sure he knew that when you delete something you better be damn sure you made up your mind
[10:54] <dwidmann> premier_: I used to use it, there were some nice themes for it floating around if you looked hard enough
[10:54] <Jucato> cpk1: yeah. he mentioned earlier that he made backups
[10:54] <Jucato> I'm presuming he did backup his My Videos directory too
[10:54] <will> ok. I'm a moron.  what's the exact command to delete the folder /home/will/My Videos
[10:54] <premier_> dwidmann: (or anyone) do you know how to force wine'd programs to run in a "sandbox" window, like full screen games and stuff?
[10:54] <dwidmann> rm -rf /home/will/My\ Videos
[10:54] <will> and yeah, I've got this backed up on two other drives
[10:56] <cpk1> premier_: try -windowed?
[10:56] <cpk1> or --windowed or -window or --window
[10:56] <premier_> hey, guys, Ive got a problem with firefox.  I try to start it, but it keeps telling me that its already running and not responding, but I try "killall firefox" (mozilla, etc) and it doesnt work
[10:56] <will> got it
[10:56] <cpk1> premier_: look for a sneaky name in ps aux killall only works for exact matches
[10:57] <dwidmann> or if it's zombying, sometimes you'll have better luck with the kill command (kill -9 pid)
[10:57] <will> damn! still having trouble with free space.  That videos folder should have cleared up about 7 gigs
[10:58] <cpk1> will: how much space does df -h say you have?
[10:58] <premier_> dwidmann: what do you mean?
[10:58] <premier_> what will "kill -9 pid" do?
[10:58] <dwidmann> premier_: ps -A to list processes, along with their PIDs (Process IDs)
[10:59] <will> cpk1: do I need to be in a particular location to do that because I keep getting "df: cannot read table of mounted file systems
[10:59] <cpk1> premier_: stop the process imeadiatly without waiting
[10:59] <dwidmann> then kill -9 PID..... and it will kill that process, hopefully. Sometimes zombie processes can be really hard to kill though.
[10:59] <kashual> help need O_o
[10:59] <cpk1> will: no... thats kind of odd, does "mount" give you an error?
[10:59] <kashual> have try to install rageircd
[10:59] <premier_> 15695 ?        00:07:10 firefox-bin
[11:00] <premier_> why is this happening?
[11:00] <dwidmann> ahah
[11:00] <kashual> but install are gets error
[11:00] <dwidmann> killall firefox-bin should kill it, and if it doesn't, try kill -9 15695
[11:00] <cpk1> premier_: so try kill 15695
[11:00] <kashual> and now i cant no force 4 fix install or remove it
[11:00] <premier_> that works
[11:00] <will> cpk1:  I typed "mount"  (and thats it) and got nothing. just another prompt
[11:00] <cpk1> you should really only need to use -9 if it defuncts premier_
[11:00] <dwidmann> premier_: buggy software?
[11:00] <premier_> firefox?
[11:01] <kashual> sudo dpkg --remove --force-overwrite rageircd
[11:01] <kashual> (Lese Datenbank ... 101595 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[11:01] <kashual> Entferne rageircd ...
[11:01] <kashual> ERR: Not starting Rage IRC Daemon: unconfigured package. Edit /etc/rageircd/rageircd.conf
[11:01] <kashual> invoke-rc.d: initscript rageircd, action "stop" failed.
[11:01] <kashual> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von rageircd (--remove):
[11:01] <dwidmann> Personally, I thought firebird 0.6 was more stable than firefox 2.0 is.
[11:01] <kashual>  Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck
[11:01] <kashual> ERR: Not starting Rage IRC Daemon: unconfigured package. Edit /etc/rageircd/rageircd.conf
[11:01] <kashual> invoke-rc.d: initscript rageircd, action "start" failed.
[11:01] <kashual> dpkg: Fehler beim Aufrumen:
[11:01] <kashual>  Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck
[11:01] <kashual> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[11:01] <kashual>  rageircd
[11:01] <kashual> what can i do 4 remove that package ?
[11:01] <cpk1> kashual: looks like you need to configure it if you want to use it
[11:02] <cpk1> kashual: possible the install didnt finish
[11:02] <cpk1> will: well that is wierd
[11:02] <kashual> :(
[11:03] <kashual> cant i just jump over an still remove this buggy install
[11:03] <dwidmann> will: lets hope that's not something you need to be really, really worried about.
[11:03] <cpk1> dwidmann: sounds pretty strange to me he cant use df and mount returns nothing?
[11:04] <will> lets hope
[11:04] <dwidmann> will: "sudo parted /dev/<device> print"
[11:05] <linopil> newest coreduo intel  onboard sound detected but  does not produce sound. Guys where to look for such issue ?
[11:05] <will> dwidmann: what do I put for device (I don't actually type device do I?)
[11:05] <ForgeAus> I'm ba-ack
[11:05] <dwidmann> will, depends which device your hard disk is
[11:05] <dwidmann> welcome back ForgeAus
[11:05] <tamacracker> Jucato... would you know why a hard drive doesn't start up, but it gets really hot?
[11:05] <ForgeAus> lol thanx dwid, sup?
[11:05] <dwidmann> for example will, mine is /dev/sdc
[11:05] <hanso> hey. my sound modules cannot load now and I get an error saying snd_intel8x0: disagrees about version of symbol ... Anyone have a clue about what's wrong?
[11:05] <cpk1> will: try hda1 for device, or if you do "cat /etc/fstab" that should list your hdd's
[11:06] <Jucato> tamacracker: sorry, no...
[11:06] <ForgeAus> tama that doesn't sound good
[11:06] <linopil> hanso me too with sound problem
[11:06] <tamacracker> Yeh Forge, I tried the freezer trick, but i only left it in there for 30 minutes
[11:06] <linopil> let us work it out together
[11:06] <dwidmann> hda, no 1 cpk1
[11:07] <tamacracker> i really don't want to lose the data in that hard drive -.-
[11:07] <ForgeAus> tama it may not be a question of that, you might already have lost it
[11:07] <will> cpk1 and dwidmann: my root is on hda1 and home is on hda2 and swap is hda3
[11:07] <dwidmann> use /dev/hda for the device
[11:07] <tamacracker> ><
[11:07] <cpk1> it works if you specify partition too, but parted wont tell you available free space
[11:08] <dwidmann> no, but we're wanting it to print the partition table ....
[11:09] <dwidmann> And the reason is to see if it will fail miserably or not, because df is going nuts.
[11:09] <linopil> any cline script to debug sound
[11:10] <dwidmann> !sound
[11:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:10] <dwidmann> might provide some resources
[11:10] <will> cpk1 and dwidmann: ok, I've got it.  what are we loooking for?
[11:10] <kashual> looooooooooool
[11:10] <kashual> have removed
[11:10] <cpk1> will: if it worked or not =P
[11:10] <kashual> 3 lil steps
[11:11] <linopil> !sound
[11:11] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:11] <kashual> need 1 remove rageircd in /etc/init.d
[11:11] <will> cpk1: it worked.  =p?
[11:11] <kashual> then 2 remove rageircd folder in /etc/
[11:12] <kashual> and at last run from bash apt-get remove -f rageircd
[11:12] <cpk1> well thats good i suppose mount and df are just deciding to be difficult
[11:12] <eeos> hi everybody! after yesterday updates the laptop is a bit of a mess. One of the users does not even connect to the broadband anymore.
[11:12] <kashual> u will seen that 1 package are shown as miss install
[11:12] <kashual> and becomes remove
[11:12] <kashual> :=)
[11:12] <ForgeAus> !WorksForMe
[11:12] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:13] <ForgeAus> good point
[11:13] <kashual> pls add this note by troubleshoot package rageircd
[11:13] <ForgeAus> thats my current problem... a dud "latest version"
[11:13] <kashual> :)
[11:14] <will> cpk1: this is what I get at the end of trying to apt-get -u dist-upgrade...
[11:15] <will> 616 upgraded, 52 newly installed, 1 to remove and 36 not upgraded.  need to get 470MB of archives. after unpacking 133MB of additional disk space will be used.  E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[11:16] <linopil> !paste
[11:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:18] <cpk1> will: how big is your / partition?
[11:19] <ForgeAus> !botsnack
[11:19] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:19] <ForgeAus> !yum
[11:19] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[11:19] <linopil> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3432/ is that ok  to play sound ? now reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:20] <linopil> did not know ubuntu had yum repos
[11:20] <tamacracker> Forge, what does it mean when a hard drive doesn't spin but gets really hot?
[11:20] <ForgeAus> tama I'm ont sure it just doesn't sound good!
[11:20] <tamacracker> lol
[11:20] <tamacracker> ok
[11:20] <ForgeAus> linopil I don't know if it does
[11:20] <ForgeAus> I'd be suprised if there was
[11:20] <ForgeAus> rpms are for other thing...
[11:20] <ForgeAus> brb
[11:23] <will> cpk1: sorry.  got a little lost.  the root is on a 10g partition
[11:23] <cpk1> that should be more than enough...
[11:23] <wahyu> hai guys
[11:24] <cpk1> i am assuming /home has plenty of space
[11:24] <will> cpk1: well it should have atleast 7g of free space after we deleted my videos folder
[11:25] <will> cpk1: it's telling me not to forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary
[11:26] <cpk1> will: what is apt-get is?
[11:26] <will> ?
[11:26] <ForgeAus> what is apt-get... advanced package manager - get (as in get a file/package)
[11:26] <ForgeAus> !apt-get
[11:26] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:27] <cpk1> will: what is telling you you might need to update your fstab? (you shouldnt have i would think though)
[11:29] <will> cpk1: do you think I should just burn some edgy CDs and do a clean install?  Have we exhausted all possibilities of upgrading?
[11:29] <wahyu> i have a question
[11:29] <waylandbill> simply put, apt-get is the backend for synaptic and adept.
[11:29] <wahyu> how to change the user image using system setting???
[11:30] <cpk1> will: ooohhh this is from an upgrade? did you botch the upgrade at some point (i ruined my upgrade when i did because I wasnt paying attention)
[11:31] <Jucato> wahyu: what/which user image?
[11:31] <KennethP> For reasons unknown to me my Kubuntu seems to half my Labtops CPU freq. Anyone knows where I will be able to control this myself? Been looking in System Settings without any luck so far.
[11:31] <will> cpk1: yeah, sorry. I should have filled you in on that.  I was working with someone else before.
[11:31] <wahyu> when i change it, it says the administrator not allowed to change it ... weird it is fresh install
[11:31] <eeos> how do I prepare a list of the packages installed on a specific machine?
[11:31] <wahyu> jucato: sistem setting =>> personal about me
[11:32] <Jucato> oh...
[11:32] <wahyu> i can not change the image
[11:32] <linopil> pls help with sound  ! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3434/
[11:32] <cpk1> well i suppose that could explain why tools like df and mount are broken, just for fun pastebin the output of your /etc/fstab will
[11:33] <Jucato> wahyu: what does it say if you try to click on the box for the image?
[11:33] <will> cpk1: I changed all of the "dapper"s to "edgy"s in my source list using Adept.  It quit at some point.  I din't think it even finished the dl. I decided to hold off on the upgrade for a while, but then discovered I couldn't access SU in the gui
[11:33] <will> cpk1: I restarted, and found I couldn't login to the gui at all.  So I'm working in recovery mode now.
[11:34] <will> cpk1: how do I do that?
[11:35] <will> cpk1: the output, not the pastebin.
[11:35] <cpk1> will: "cat /etc/fstab"
[11:35] <dwidmann> KennethP: it's a power management feature
[11:36] <dwidmann> KennethP: it bumps it up when you're under heavier loads.
[11:36] <Vitor> Hi, I'm novice on linux and I want to use kubuntu, but the problem is I can't to run it on my HP Pavilion DV6129 Laptop.
[11:36] <dwidmann> Vitor, what are the specs on that system?
[11:37] <will> cpk1: I don't know how to pastebin from the command prompt (I'm talking to you on a different computer by the way).  however I do see something scary.
[11:37] <dwidmann> will, you might be able to do it if you install a program like elinks
[11:37] <KennethP> dwidmann: tnx. Is there anyway I can control this myself?
[11:37] <cpk1> if its small (one or two lines) go ahead and type it out i guess
[11:37] <dwidmann> KennethP, you might be able to disable it, but that wouldn't be a good thing for a laptop, the battery would drain faster.
[11:38] <will> cpk1:   /dev/hda1    /    ext3    defaults, errors=remount-ro
[11:38] <Vitor> dwidmann here is specs www.gerakaina.lt/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=367856&osCsid=40a207c727109f2b85c802896b8c7637
[11:38] <cpk1> will: there isnt like a 0 1 after that?
[11:38] <crazy_bus> Has anyone had success with installing Ktoon?
[11:39] <will> cpk1: "defaults, errors=remount-ro" is under options.  there is a 0 and then a 1 after that (for dump and then pass)
[11:39] <eeos> linopil yu do not appear to have the proper modules for your card
[11:39] <KennethP> dwidmann: Ok, I can see that. Being eager to learn, Is there a GUI to the Power Management?
[11:39] <cpk1> will: ok thats all normal
[11:39] <will> k
[11:40] <dwidmann> Vitor, I see it's a laptop, try using a kernel option like "acpi=off" when booting, some laptops have trouble without that.
[11:40] <linopil> eeos right http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3435/ now still silent
[11:40] <dwidmann> KennethP: I think so, it should be in system settings
[11:40] <linopil> eeos where is modules.conf?
[11:41] <linopil> no modules.conf in my system is that normal?
[11:41] <Vitor> ok, I'll try
[11:42] <will> cpk1: could that depency (xutils-dev) be absent because I'm in recover mode?
[11:42] <cpk1> will: arent you just in tty1?
[11:43] <will> ?
[11:43] <eeos> linpil please run alsamixed and set all volumes at 80%.
[11:43] <KennethP> dwidmann: Tnx. I'll clean up my glasses once more and go look for it...:)
[11:43] <wahyu> jucato: it says that the administrator not allowed me to change the image
[11:44] <wahyu> the strange thing is that i am the only user here
[11:44] <cpk1> will: when everything is working nicely and you start in a gui you are in tty7, everything below tty7 is a text console, i was assuming thats what you are doing right now
[11:44] <Jucato> wahyu: I'm having that problem as well...
[11:44] <wahyu> hahahah
[11:45] <will> cpk1: I'm in recovery mode at that moment
[11:45] <dwidmann> Jucato, wahyu, I believe I know the fix for that
[11:45] <wahyu> i installed the system
[11:45] <wahyu> then i want to change the user image
[11:45] <Jucato> dwidmann: do tell :)
[11:45] <wahyu> dwidman: please tel us
[11:45] <Jucato> ha wait
[11:45] <dwidmann> go to systemsettings or kcontrol, login manager (under system administration in kcontrol)
[11:45] <Jucato> lol  yeah
[11:46] <wahyu> i did that
[11:46] <dwidmann> users tab
[11:46] <dwidmann> user image source
[11:46] <Jucato> set User Image source to "user"
[11:46] <Jucato> right?
[11:46] <ForgeAus> hey jucato :)
[11:46] <dwidmann> indeed.
[11:46] <ForgeAus> guess what?
[11:46] <Jucato> hi dwidmann
[11:46] <Jucato> er..
[11:46] <Jucato> hi ForgeAus
[11:46] <Jucato> what?
[11:46] <will> cpk1: should I get out of recovery mode?
[11:46] <dwidmann> hi Jucato :P
[11:46] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu broke again!
[11:46] <dwidmann> :O
[11:46] <Jucato> wahyu: you have to restart System Settings after that (at least I had to)
[11:47] <cpk1> will: so you are just running of the live cd?
[11:47] <ForgeAus> lol dwid, probably...
[11:47] <ForgeAus> although I think it was a dual effort this time lol :)
[11:47] <wahyu> okk ill try
[11:47] <will> cpk1: I restarted and hit 'esc' and booted to the kernal in (recovery mode)
[11:47] <dwidmann> play nice, now however would I do that?
[11:47] <cpk1> oh then i dont think there is an issue
[11:47] <ForgeAus> how do you use recovery mode?
[11:48] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you boot into it
[11:48] <ForgeAus> I can't even get networking in it
[11:48] <ForgeAus> Jucato I did that
[11:48] <Jucato> you are then booted into a command line as root
[11:48] <Jucato> no X
[11:48] <Jucato> anyway, really going now
[11:48] <cpk1> I will admit though that you might want to consider installing edgy from scratch since you said your /home is already on a different partition you shouldnt lose any of that data
[11:48] <wahyu> dwidmann: in my another kubuntu box, i dont have to change it to user the default is admin
[11:49] <cpk1> you will have to reinstall anything you had installed with apt-get though
[11:49] <wahyu> dwidman: i can change the user image
[11:49] <wahyu> dwidman: but not in  this computer
[11:49] <linopil> no modules.conf in my system is that normal?
[11:49] <dwidmann> wahyu: Interesting
[11:49] <vbgunz> anyone know why the icons on the desktop reorganize themselves after every reboot? is this normal?
[11:49] <Vitor> Thanks dwidmann, "acpi=off" helps
[11:49] <will> cpk1: yeah, that's what I'm thinking.  oh well, not the end of the world.
[11:49] <dwidmann> Vitor: Ahh, that's good :)
[11:49] <will> cpk1:  thanks for all of your help
[11:49] <linopil> I am at this page for troubleshooting onboard sound ttp://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2&module=hda-intel on ICH7 intel
[11:49] <wahyu> vbgunz: normal
[11:50] <linopil> is that the right way ?
[11:50] <wahyu> vbgunz: if u dont want to reorganize them self. lock them!!!!!!!!!1
[11:50] <eeos> linopil use ubuntu wiki there are instructions for HDA module. search for HDA.
[11:50] <vbgunz> wahyu: I think this even happens if I have them locked
[11:50] <wahyu> what kde version u have there?
[11:51] <dwidmann> vbgunz, disable any sort of autoarranging features
[11:51] <vbgunz> 3.5.5, I think, Kubuntu 6.10
[11:51] <dwidmann> Which I forget if any exist.
[11:51] <dwidmann> I disable icons on the desktop altogether ... seeing as the mounted cdrom drives want to have icons show up on there even if I have that feature disabled.
[11:52] <linopil> eeos ok ty
[11:52] <vbgunz> dwidmann: I had it on directories first I think, but before that I remember having it on nothing I believe. I tried that thinking if it reorganizes itself, I rather directories go first *but* icons from all over get rearranged no matter directories or not :(
[11:52] <linopil> have exact link ? wiki.ubuntu.org? eeos ?
[11:52] <eeos> linopil wait
[11:53] <linopil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto eeos ?
[11:53] <eeos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto linopil
[11:53] <eeos> linopil :)
[11:55] <dwidmann> be right back, going to log out and in again to test something
[11:56] <dwidmann> :O aboutg time I figured out how to get that to stop showing up on there ...
[11:56] <linopil> wow eeos tis hell of a task HDAintel not so a plug'n'play
[11:57] <eeos> linopil no, not at all
[11:57] <eeos> :P
[11:59] <linopil> eeos:  is this a compile kernel routine in here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto ?
[12:00] <eeos> linopil no you only compile alsa as an external module
[12:01] <linopil> did that stage eeos http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3436/  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:02] <eeos> linopil what do you want to know about this stage?
[12:02] <linopil> eeos: maybe I have latest alsa anyway >?
[12:02] <eeos> linopil no the last is 1.0.13
[12:02] <linopil> eeos: maybe some of it unneeded in my case
[12:03] <linopil> eeos: how do I check if mine is 1.0.13 ?
[12:03] <eeos> cat proc/asound/version
[12:03] <sploit> Hi, does anyone over here knows wheter the jmicron chipset issue is solved in the Feisty Herd 2 Branch ?
[12:03] <eeos> cat /proc/asound/version
[12:03] <eeos> sorry
[12:05] <sploit> anybody?
[12:05] <linopil> ok
[12:06] <linopil> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.12rc1 (Thu Jun 22 13:55:50 2006 UTC). eeos
[12:06] <eeos> linopil there you are.
[12:06] <linopil> is ALSADriver Version 1.0.12rc1  ok for HDA intel ?
[12:06] <linopil> eeos ?
[12:07] <linopil> god knows
[12:07] <eeos> linopil get a look at the changelog.
[12:07] <eeos> it depends on what version of hda you have.
[12:07] <eeos> linopil what is your card?
[12:07] <linopil> onboard coreduo ICH7
[12:08] <eeos> linopil chipset
[12:08] <linopil> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[12:09] <linopil> 945gcl 801
[12:09] <linopil> should I upgrade alsa or not ?
[12:10] <eeos> linopil now you can go on alsa-project.org and check if thy have fixed bugs in changelog
[12:10] <eeos> linopil there you can also check if your card is supported, there is a database
[12:10] <linopil> in http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/driver/ I see even 1.0.14
[12:12] <linopil> eeos:  I am looking here http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2&module=hda-intel
[12:12] <tamacracker> the gaim channel has a really big a-hole in there.
[12:13] <eeos> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Intel#matrix search here for your chipset
[12:14] <sploit> whats the kernel version in kubunut 7.04? can't find it n google
[12:14] <sploit> ?
[12:15] <sploit> kubuntu*
[12:15] <eeos> sploit maybe in distrowatch?
[12:15] <sploit> thanx
[12:15] <goodthing> spoilt: http://packages.ubuntu.com might know
[12:16] <sploit> good idea :)
[12:22] <incorrect> is there anyway to stop firefox looking so ugly?
[12:22] <snpz_> hi everybody - i have a question about Epson ink printer maintenence support in Kubuntu? The printer i printing very well, but how can i get info about ink level, how to clean heads and so on? Installed escputil, but those functions are in terminal
[12:22] <snpz_> incorrect, true type fonts?
[12:23] <incorrect> well its all gtk based
[12:23] <incorrect> sorry i just did install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu
[12:23] <incorrect> if that helps
[12:23] <ForgeAus> you can theme firefox
[12:24] <ForgeAus> or you can use konqueror.... your choice
[12:24] <goodthing> yup, https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/themes/
[12:24] <snpz_> about that Epson ink printer maintenance - nobody?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> I think theres a crystal theme for it somewhere
[12:24] <eeos> snpz_ try mtink
[12:24] <ForgeAus> still not ideal mostly looks gtkish
[12:24] <ForgeAus> but if your kde uses its own theme for gtk windows you shouldn't have too much trouble
[12:24] <snpz_> eeos, is it gui?
[12:25] <eeos> snpz_ yeppy yeo
[12:25] <eeos> snpz_ works well on our printers
[12:25] <snpz_> and does other maintanance thing also?
[12:25] <sploit> looks like they're useing 2.6.20
[12:25] <sploit> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (<IP_ADDRESS>-6)
[12:26] <ForgeAus> (set gtk preferences in system settings) under appearance
[12:26] <eeos> snpz_ yes
[12:26] <linopil> sudo ./configure  --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) --with-cards=<enter driver name here e.g. via82xx> --with-oss=yes eeos
[12:26] <snpz_> eeos, thnx
[12:27] <snpz_> will try
[12:27] <linopil> what is the name of my card  eeos ?
[12:27] <incorrect> i am not a big fan of konq
[12:27] <eeos> linopil I would not put the --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:27] <eeos> linopil I do not know, it deends on the chipset, please ./cofigure --help, you will get the list of cards with the name they have in alsa
[12:27] <linopil> I saw that here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting . why not kernel ?
[12:28] <linopil> OK eeos doing ./configure --help
[12:28] <eeos> linopil good
[12:29] <sploit> pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-5-386_2.6.20-5.7_i386.deb
[12:31] <eeos> linopil is it snd-hda-intel?
[12:32] <linopil> Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic'
[12:32] <linopil> utils/link-modules /home/user/installers/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.14rc2
[12:32] <eeos> linopil why are you installing 1.0.14rc2 and not 1.0.13?
[12:32] <linopil> yep found thanks to you ./configure --help  eeos
[12:33] <linopil> eeos very wrong eeos?
[12:33] <linopil> 1.0.14rc2 eeos?
[12:33] <eeos> linopil no, but it is less stable, it depends how good you are at fixing problems.
[12:33] <linopil> I am patient for a start eeos
[12:33] <linopil> ;-)
[12:35] <linopil> eeos do I need  restart after sudo make install ?
[12:36] <eeos> linopil you have to install all packages first. Better to restart, yes.
[12:37] <linopil> eeos what does alsamixer give me  .BTW already shows HDA intel on alsa mixer . tabs and space and enter adn arows work there ?
[12:37] <linopil> all packages ?
[12:38] <eeos> yes, you can use the arrows. yes ll pacakes recommended in the howto.
[12:38] <pedro> Hi everyone ;)
[12:39] <linopil> eeos
[12:39] <linopil> cat /proc/asound/modules
[12:39] <linopil>  0 snd_hda_intel
[12:39] <linopil> how far from finished is it now eeos ?
[12:39] <eeos> linopil have you installed all packaes in the howto?
[12:40] <pedro> I am having some problems upgrading beryl
[12:40] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=432818059
[12:40] <pedro> The text is in spanish but I think it is easy to understand
[12:41] <pedro> any sugest?
[12:41] <linopil> eeos link to howto is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto this ?
[12:42] <linopil> sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:42] <linopil>     *
[12:42] <linopil>       Add the line "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack" (change "3stack" to the model you need)
[12:43] <linopil> sorry big paste pals
[12:43] <linopil> eeos this step last one alsa-base not yet done
[12:43] <linopil> restarting bbl soon
[12:43] <eeos> linopil be careful with it, do you know what is your card?
[12:52] <linopil> eeos:
[12:52] <linopil> bk here
[12:54] <linopil> XVampireX: HI
[12:54] <linopil> Sergei ?
[12:55] <blindside_> big sex
[01:09] <linopil> howto restart alsa without restartin computer
[01:13] <linopil> how do I restart alsa after changing options /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:14] <flaccid> i'd like to know that too
[01:14] <flaccid> also isn't a service is it ?
[01:14] <flaccid> alsa i mean
[01:15] <linopil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigmaTel This page does not exist yet
[01:17] <flaccid> indeed
[01:17] <linopil> how do I restart alsa after changing options /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base apokryphos
[01:17] <flaccid> hmm same with this one
[01:17] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/flaccidHasBigBalls
[01:17] <flaccid> !ask
[01:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:17] <flaccid> oops wrong one
[01:17] <apokryphos> linopil: sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound restart? (or something similar)
[01:18] <flaccid> if someon has the answer, they will respond
[01:18] <linopil> tyvm apokryphos
[01:20] <linopil> sudo ./alsasound restart
[01:20] <linopil> Shutting down sound driver: !!!alsactl not found!!! done
[01:20] <linopil> whereis what is alsactl
[01:20] <flaccid> there is this /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[01:20] <flaccid> heh i don't even have that
[01:21] <flaccid> !alsa
[01:21] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:21] <flaccid> heh since when is ubuntu dependant on arts ffs
[01:21] <flaccid> you don't even need the kde sound system especially if you are running alsa
[01:21] <flaccid> omg. so put off ubuntu :(
[01:29] <akrus> wow amaroK <3
[01:29] <akrus> reading CUE files automatically
[01:30] <linopil> eeos: ?
[01:30] <linopil> still no joy with sound
[01:32] <eeos> linopil was away
[01:33] <eeos> linopil did you set volume to 80% with alsamixer?
[01:35] <linopil> eeos why 80%
[01:35] <eeos> linopil not too loud :)
[01:35] <linopil> formerly kmix showed with no red x now red x
[01:36] <eeos> linopil no kmix
[01:36] <eeos> linopil use alsamixer
[01:36] <linopil> eeos Iam a little exhausted and under delivery pressure
[01:36] <linopil> trying alsamixer
[01:36] <eeos> linopil "delivery pressure"?
[01:37] <linopil> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:38] <linopil> yep this PC eeos is for a customer
[01:38] <eeos> linopil ???? are you on broadband? give me the ip address, user, password
[01:38] <linopil> maybe borked with alsa-base
[01:39] <linopil> wanna play with remote desktop ? eeos ? be my guest
[01:39] <linopil> go pm PLS
[01:46] <Mightily-Oats> hey all, been here whining about a hdd ticking recently.. found a way to fix it and i was jusut wondering if this solution had any un-desirable effects?
[01:47] <flaccid> is the solution hard or soft and what is it
[01:47] <Mightily-Oats> i used hdparm to set Advanced Power Management level to disabled
[01:47] <Mightily-Oats> and also to set standby to off
[01:47] <flaccid> thats a good thing
[01:47] <flaccid> not bad
[01:47] <pedro> hey guys!
[01:47] <flaccid> sounds like your drive may of had troubles with apm so disabling fixed it
[01:48] <pedro> I am having problems with beryl and python
[01:48] <flaccid> power management whether apm or acpi is not a dependency of a hard disk
[01:48] <pedro> I use Kubuntu edgy and I have installed beryl via aptitude
[01:48] <Jucato> !beryl | pedro
[01:48] <ubotu> pedro: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:48] <pedro> now I have broken packages, having problems with python2.5-minimal
[01:49] <pedro> But I don't use xgl, I have install nvidia beta drivers
[01:49] <Jucato> pedro: #ubuntu-xgl is the channel for all xgl, aiglx, compiz, and beryl inflicted problems
[01:49] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. cool..my origional hdd had the same issues.. and when u hear a hdd ticking for no reason.. alarm bells rang.. got a second hdd and wacked it in.. different brand and still had the same problem... looking around i played with the laptop-mode config and found that running laptop-mode stopped the ticking.. and.. more specifically.. hdparm in the laptop-mode stopped it
[01:50] <Jucato> err... beryl "related" problems...
[01:51] <Mightily-Oats> so i figured id oost in here just incase anyone else is struggling with the prob.. or u guys hear of someone else having a ticking hdd issue
[01:51] <Mightily-Oats> *post
[01:53] <john-nrc> hi
[01:55] <ocb58> how do i create another user with the same rights as the current one in 5.10?
[01:59] <john-nrc> \list
[02:06] <Jucato> anyone familiar with GPG around? If I reformat/reinstall or removed my ~/.gnupg directory, do I lose my key?
[02:06] <carsten_> hi - first time ubuntu user w/ some linux experience. q: i got this Kubuntu cd from a friend. How do i know which release i'm using?
[02:07] <Jucato> carsten_: once inside, launch Konsole and type "lsb_release -a"
[02:07] <carsten_> Jucato: codename: edgy. Thanks!
[02:08] <flaccid> huh jucy
[02:08] <flaccid> if the files gone, its gone?
[02:08] <Jucato> flaccid: what do you mean? about my question? it's a "what if" question... I still have the files (luckily)
[02:08] <flaccid> oh ok
[02:09] <flaccid> um why does gpg not like the restored .gnupg ?
[02:10] <Jucato> flaccid: huh? no. it's still there. I'm just wondering... trying to learn all these GPG stuff...
[02:10] <flaccid> oh
[02:11] <flaccid> um
[02:11] <Jucato> it's still alien technology as far as I'm concerned :)
[02:11] <Jucato> sorry for bothering you :)
[02:11] <flaccid> i aint used gpg on linux, but its in your home folder so it should just use it yeah?
[02:11] <Jucato> yep, it's in ~/.gnupg
[02:11] <flaccid> gpg has been used for a very long time now. very not alien.
[02:11] <flaccid> give it a try?
[02:12] <Jucato> "as far as I'm concerned" :)
[02:12] <Jucato> yes I've tried it. I needed to make one to sign the CoC
[02:12] <flaccid> and it worked?
[02:13] <Jucato> uhuh. I just followed the guide from !gpg to the letter
[02:13] <flaccid> ok so there is no problem?
[02:13] <Jucato> no real problem...
[02:13] <Jucato> basically, I'm a moronic guy who just followed a step by step tutorial without knowing/understanding what it's all about... which I don't like... :P
[02:14] <flaccid> ah ok
[02:14] <flaccid> i guess thats linux for ya as you know
[02:14] <flaccid> um gpg is awesome
[02:15] <flaccid> but its the practical side of encrypting and decrytping that a pain
[02:15] <flaccid> i've seen some programs on windows do well at it. but never something on linux to manage it when its used with something like email
[02:15] <Jucato> so I've heard... which is why I'm curious about it... you wouldn't happen to know of a beginner's guide about it?
[02:15] <flaccid> um
[02:16] <waylandbill> I use gpg to sign email... almost noone else i know uses it tho.
[02:16] <flaccid> well its really basic the infrastructure. i havnt used it for a long time. i guess maybe tls has been used in favour, but that is still not something easily available
[02:16] <flaccid> i guess google is your best chance at trying to make it easy and not a pain in the asss
[02:20] <Jucato> !flash64
[02:20] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:20] <linopil> when was eeos ?
[02:20] <dwidmann> Jucato, but that's not Konqueror :P
[02:20] <[StingRay] > Hi all. Is somebody here using tighvnc? I have a keycode offset and I need a little help.
[02:20] <Jucato> oh yeah lol
[02:20] <dwidmann> I have to rebuild kdebase with a patch by the looks of things
[02:21] <linopil> Jucato:  ever come across firefox exiting in some pages like gmail and others
[02:21] <linopil> flsh problem in firefox or java?
[02:21] <Jucato> linopil: sorry, I so very rarely use Firefox
[02:22] <linopil> what do you use Jucato
[02:22] <Jucato> konqueror
[02:22] <flaccid> fish gives me the shits in krusader sometimes
[02:22] <linopil> OK but nice features in gmail and yahoomail wok only in firefox or IE
[02:23] <Jucato> waylandbill: heh KDE through and through :)
[02:23] <flaccid> thats not kubuntu's fault, linopil
[02:23] <flaccid> its gmail and yahoo..
[02:23] <linopil> Jucato: firefox needs to be tuned
[02:23] <Jucato> linopil: most of Gmail works in Konqueror if you set the Browser Identifcation to Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> or Safari
[02:23] <linopil> Jucato: will try that
[02:23] <flaccid> how does firefox need to be tuned?
[02:24] <Jucato> and I don'l like Yahoo's fancy new AJAX e-mail anyway...
[02:24] <Jucato> it's nice and all... but ads..
[02:24] <flaccid> roundcube is the best ajax webmail
[02:24] <dwidmann> adblock?
[02:24] <waylandbill> Jucato: even yahoo groups is overrun with ads now.
[02:24] <Jucato> waylandbill: what are those? hehehe
[02:24] <waylandbill> :)
[02:24] <Jucato> I have abandoned yahoo years ago... not because of the ads though
[02:25] <Jucato> the ads are not really *that* annoying... just a bit...
[02:25] <flaccid> i prefer opera/imap
[02:25] <Jucato> kmail solves those :)
[02:26] <Jucato> I only have to go to Gmail directly to mark mails as read or delete junk
[02:26] <waylandbill> there's some mailing lists I'm on that the admins decided to use yahoo groups.
[02:26] <dwidmann> I wish my host would use IMAP instead, but it doesn't, so I settle for pop3
[02:27] <flaccid> pop sux :)
[02:28] <dwidmann> better pop3 than webmail
[02:28] <flaccid> well for gmail. i have no choice either.
[02:29] <ocb58> how can i disable the kde login?
[02:30] <flaccid> well pop sux coz if leaves you to backup and no webmail as messages aint stored on server and when you try to it always fucks up
[02:30] <flaccid> ocb58: i wish i knew an easy way
[02:31] <dwidmann> Jucato, pop3 is your basic email with an email client, your client downloads the emails and stores them on your computer, and unless you specify otherwise also deletes them from the server. I believe IMAP keeps all on the server and you fetch from the server as neccessary, or something along those lines. Can't remember
[02:31] <Jucato> heh thanks for the crash course
[02:32] <flaccid> well thats pretty much it
[02:32] <linopil> where do I find libdvdcss
[02:32] <flaccid> leave it to your hosting to back up email. better than relying on your desktop with an arbitary network connection..
[02:32] <flaccid> !libdvdcss
[02:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:32] <pedro> I am trying to solve six hours ago a problem with dependencies, any help?
[02:33] <flaccid> pedro: install the deps
[02:33] <pedro> I have installed everything, but the system doesn't want to configure python2.5-minimal
[02:33] <flaccid> pastebin error ?
[02:33] <pedro> and so python2.5 and other packages are not configurated
[02:33] <pedro> ok, now I paste it
[02:35] <linopil> !w32codecs
[02:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:35] <pedro> http://pastebin.com/871206
[02:35] <pedro> Here it is
[02:35] <pedro> I wait someone can help me
[02:35] <flaccid> i can only understand english sorry
[02:36] <flaccid> !spanish
[02:36] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:36] <pedro> sorry
[02:36] <flaccid> um
[02:36] <flaccid> there is some stuff i can read but its not helping
[02:37] <dwidmann> oh yay, another 35mb of build deps to download :\
[02:37] <flaccid> the stuff at the top traceback could be crucial
[02:37] <dwidmann> and here I thought I had installed those months ago
[02:37] <nalioth> Jucato: you here?
[02:37] <Jucato> nalioth: yes
[02:37] <nalioth> not in #kubuntu-offtopic :(
[02:37] <dwidmann> flaccid: google translator?
[02:38] <flaccid> hmm pedro i think you need a spanish dude
[02:38] <flaccid> or point me to english version before i fall asleep as a drunk :)
[02:38] <pedro> dude?
[02:38] <pedro> what does it mean?
[02:38] <flaccid> sorry
[02:38] <flaccid> a spanish person
[02:38] <dwidmann> guy
[02:38] <pedro> ah
[02:38] <flaccid> which would be you?
[02:38] <pedro> ok
[02:39] <pedro> I still don't know some english terms
[02:39] <pedro> ;)
[02:39] <flaccid> um
[02:39] <pedro> in Kubuntu-es I cannot get help
[02:39] <linopil> funny ammoying thing in kubuntu how do I make session be forgotten (unsaved)
[02:39] <flaccid> ValueError: error parsing Python-Version attribute
[02:39] <flaccid> that aint good
[02:39] <flaccid> um
[02:39] <pedro> and I thought my english will be suficient to get help here
[02:39] <linopil> so it wont start same things on next session kubuntu edgy
[02:40] <flaccid> linopil: thats in settings somewhere . hard to remember sorry
[02:40] <linopil>  s/ammoying/annoying
[02:40] <flaccid> yeah i disabled it too linopil
[02:40] <dwidmann> linopil, easy way would be to close things you don't want and resave your session
[02:41] <tajski> dsafasdf
[02:41] <dwidmann> pedro: it is, but your konsole's spanish isn't
[02:41] <linopil> so ho do you resave dwidmann
[02:42] <dwidmann> linopil: k-menu -> save session
[02:42] <flaccid> linopil: goto kcontro -> session manager. there is the settings to change.
[02:42] <pedro> jeje
[02:42] <flaccid> sorry chico i think no luck non-comprendo
[02:43] <flaccid> i think i need whole thing english
[02:43] <pedro> I can tell you that the message most important in pastebin is that there is problems procesing python2.5-minimal
[02:43] <Jucato> Italian*
[02:43] <flaccid> it would take like an hour to ask you to translate little parts of it
[02:43] <dwidmann> pedro, I'm going to take a look at it in google translator
[02:43] <pedro> ok
[02:44] <pedro> thanks
[02:44] <flaccid> chico is man in spanish ?
[02:44] <flaccid> hang on a sec. u speak spanish, jucy ?
[02:45] <flaccid> arnt you spanish fillo or are you fillo
[02:45] <flaccid> or have i got the wrong chico here heheh
[02:46] <dwidmann> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.com%2F871206&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[02:50] <dwidmann> looks like python2.5 isn't installed correctly, what do you get when you try to do this pedro: "sudo aptitude install python2.5"
[02:50] <flaccid> heh im' still waiting for google to translate
[02:50] <dwidmann> Keep in mind, this may require you to be using edgy and not dapper, I'm not sure if the beryl repos include python2.5 or not
[02:51] <pedro> when I try to do that it says to me it cannot do it because of problem configuring python2.5-minimal
[02:51] <dwidmann> Hmm, about 25mb, I figure building this oughta take about 20-30 minutes :\
[02:51] <pedro> maybe it can be because of broken dependencies of python2.5-minimal
[02:52] <pedro> but how can I know it?
[02:52] <dwidmann> Hmm, pedro, try running "sudo aptitude install python2.5-minimal", maybe it will give a different error message
[02:52] <flaccid> heh i get server error on trying to load the translated page
[02:53] <pedro> I have tried it
[02:53] <pedro> I get the same error message
[02:53] <jkjk> Oh man i locked myself out :( The only user on this system is me (root is not activted) and i did "sudo usermod -G vboxusers me" not knowing that i had to add ALL groups.. no i can't sudo anymore to change that! What do i do ?
[02:53] <dwidmann> pedro: try "sudo aptitude remove python2.5 python2.5-minimal && sudo aptitude install python2.5"
[02:54] <algm> hi ppl
[02:54] <flaccid> jkjk: pastebin error
[02:54] <Tm_T> jkjk: :o
[02:54] <dwidmann> jkjk: reboot in recovery mode
[02:54] <dwidmann> then add yourself to the admin group
[02:54] <pedro> ok, let's do it
[02:54] <dwidmann> jkjk: "sudo adduser username admin"
[02:55] <flaccid> if you are not in the admin group boot into single user mode and add yourself
[02:55] <jkjk> ok thanks guys i'll try that now...
[02:56] <carsten_> trying to install bind -- "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[02:56] <carsten_> but where do i find out where the error occurred?
[02:56] <flaccid> probably google
[02:57] <Jucato> carsten_: that's from Adept?
[02:57] <carsten_> Jucato: yep
[02:57] <Jucato> carsten_: try installing using apt-get instead
[02:57] <Jucato> gives you more useful error messages
[02:57] <flaccid> oh
[02:58] <flaccid> so adept shows generic message not actual?
[02:58] <Jucato> flaccid: yep
[02:58] <Jucato> which reminds me...
[02:58] <flaccid> man that sux if it don't bring up console. coz linux aint ready for gui only package management
[02:58] <Jucato> actually, it doesn't really absolutely *need* to show you the error messages
[02:58] <ScarFreewill> can some one tell me how to use or show me a how-to page for mysql-admin?
[02:58] <flaccid> i dont see why not its only going to be of help and save time
[02:58] <Jucato> if your request action will break some dependencies, it will show in the Preview Changes and in the status bar
[02:59] <Jucato> the *real* problem is the workflow of Adept
[02:59] <flaccid> the real problem is algorithms to handle transparency package management :)
[02:59] <frojnd> I am trying to install configure samba for XP user, so 1. I make new UNIX user, 2. install samba, 3. tryed to make samba user but I don't understand something:
[02:59] <Jucato> flaccid: if you have great ideas about that, #kubuntu-devel is the place to go :)
[03:00] <carsten_> haha, i'm being stupid. /etc/resolv.conf was already set to <IP_ADDRESS>, but bind wasn't installed yet. no wonder adept couldn't grab the package
[03:00] <flaccid> Jucato: i have great ideas, just don't feel like wasting my time expressing them. been there done that :)
[03:00] <linopil> frojnd: google: "quick and dirty" samba
[03:00] <frojnd> sudo smbpasswd -a system_username, gksudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers ->insert the following line into the new file: system_username = "network username"
[03:01] <Jucato> flaccid: by great ideas, I mean ideas on how to "technically" implement those ideas, not just rants/whines :)
[03:01] <frojnd> I added in editor: username = "network username"
[03:01] <frojnd> is this correct?
[03:01] <flaccid> !samba > frojnd
[03:01] <frojnd> don't samba to me
[03:01] <frojnd> this is by tutorial also!
[03:01] <frojnd> I am asking for sytaxes...
[03:01] <flaccid> Jucato: both ways i have wasted my breathe in the past. not doing it again. politics are shite
[03:01] <frojnd> what is meant here system:username
[03:02] <frojnd> *system_username
[03:02] <flaccid> um go learn samba?
[03:02] <flaccid> there is shitloads of docs on the site
[03:02] <dwidmann> I find the easiest way to configure samba is with kcmsambaconf (part of the kdenetwork-filesharing package if I remember right)
[03:02] <flaccid> easiest way to manage samba is learning it + swat
[03:02] <frojnd> flaccid
[03:02] <linopil> flaccid: offer him real help or ignore him pl s do not annoy him
[03:02] <frojnd> I am learning it!
[03:02] <frojnd> for FFS
[03:03] <ScarFreewill> is there a nother gui app that i can use to long in to a mysql db execpt mysql-admin?
[03:03] <frojnd> I just don't get what is syntax and what is my username
[03:03] <flaccid> give me a real error and i'll tell you the solution...
[03:03] <dwidmann> scarfreewill, I recall there being php based mysql admin interfaces, can't recall what it would be called though.
[03:03] <flaccid> oh ok its<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:03] <frojnd> flaccid: maybe u'll understand what I am asking: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add.2Fedit.2Fdelete_network_users
[03:04] <frojnd> please check 3 lines..
[03:04] <dwidmann> phpmyadmin - set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW
[03:04] <ScarFreewill> dwidmann: i'll google for that thx...
[03:04] <flaccid> and what is the problem frojnd
[03:04] <frojnd> flaccid it's not an error, I just don't know what is "mynewusername" for samba...
[03:04] <dwidmann> It would require php to be installed though ScarFreewill, but it's an option if you don't mind the added overhead
[03:05] <flaccid> smbusers is a username map. system user to samba user.
[03:05] <linopil> frojnd: this  http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251 was very helpful to me. real time saver
[03:05] <ScarFreewill> dwidmann: i've got php, so thx will try that,,
[03:05] <dwidmann> phpmyadmin is what my host uses, works well enough anyway
[03:05] <frojnd> system_username = "network username" system_username=username? for  "network username" I leave blank?
[03:05] <linopil> cp bkp your smb.conf and make it anew with http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251
[03:06] <flaccid> no
[03:06] <flaccid> samba.org <-- have you even looked?
[03:06] <flaccid> sorry to be rude
[03:06] <linopil> samba configuring may be  very tiring job
[03:06] <frojnd> oh gosh :)
[03:06] <flaccid> flaccid = flaccid <---- if my shell username and samba username are the same
[03:06] <linopil> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251 again dont pls send frojnd to read tons flaccid
[03:07] <frojnd> flaccid:! THX !!!!!!!!! :)
[03:07] <flaccid> why not
[03:07] <frojnd> all those words just for these...
[03:07] <flaccid> don't people want to learn things these days ??
[03:07] <frojnd> I was asking for that.
[03:07] <frojnd> flaccid: I need samba just for sharing on LAN
[03:07] <flaccid> if you are editing files manually obviously you are avoiding the GUI which in this case woudl be kcontrol -> samba...
[03:07] <flaccid> use the gui then
[03:07] <frojnd> how
[03:08] <linopil> question solution is important then plp who like will study
[03:08] <flaccid> with a mouse and keyboard usually :)
[03:08] <frojnd> everytime I wanna use gui something goes wrong..
[03:08] <dwidmann> kcontrol -> internet ->samba :)
[03:08] <frojnd> flaccid :) my mouse is evil
[03:08] <flaccid> reading is not study sometimes. a lot of time its required to solve the problem.
[03:09] <eeos> re
[03:09] <flaccid> and samba.org kills http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251
[03:09] <linopil> step by step instructions can save newcomers
[03:09] <dwidmann> I can have samba configured and running for my tiny network in 60 seconds flat (per computer, of course)
[03:09] <linopil> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251 yes. good one
[03:09] <flaccid> pretty shit if you ask me
[03:10] <linopil> tyvm politeness always
[03:10] <frojnd> flaccid: not shit, but limited actions!
[03:10] <frojnd> don't be that rude
[03:10] <flaccid> i'm not being rude so please stop saying so
[03:10] <pedro> hey guys!
[03:10] <pedro> I could solve it!!
[03:10] <linopil> limited actions may be a good thing when in a hurry
[03:10] <frojnd> exactly!
[03:10] <pedro> I did what you recomended me
[03:11] <dwidmann> pedro, that's awesome :)
[03:11] <eeos> hi linopil
[03:11] <pedro> uninstall and install again python2.5
[03:11] <linopil> hi
[03:11] <pedro> now everything is all right
[03:11] <linopil> go PM pls
[03:11] <flaccid> don't expect much if you expect things to happen in a hurry in linux...
[03:11] <pedro> thanks very much
[03:11] <jkjk> Thanks! It worked perfectly! :)
[03:11] <dwidmann> jkjk: good :)
[03:12] <ForgeAus> I still need help getting my Kubuntu working
[03:12] <ForgeAus> no dice sofar
[03:13] <ForgeAus> can I mount the live CD in recovery console? if so can I install packages from there?
[03:13] <ForgeAus> read only filesystem and no network doesn't help any
[03:14] <frojnd> how can I acces sharing folders with konqueror:
[03:14] <frojnd> smb// ?
[03:14] <ForgeAus> needs a colon
[03:14] <frojnd> I mean what do I have to write in command line in konqueror?
[03:14] <ForgeAus> smb:// if you want samba shares
[03:15] <powerfox> Hi! I have a little question about localization. Does Kubuntu use kde-i18n? I find some differences between my KDE (Kubuntu) translation and kde-i18n packages.
[03:15] <frojnd> it says: Malformed url: smb//
[03:15] <flaccid> frojnd: yesh
[03:15] <flaccid> smb:/
[03:16] <flaccid> or smb://server/share
[03:16] <flaccid> etc. i think iirc
[03:16] <ForgeAus> !openbox
[03:16] <ubotu> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Replace_Metacity_with_Openbox_in_gnome
[03:16] <daftvader> can anyone help me get usplash working?
[03:16] <dwidmann> well, I'll be back in a few, I hope this patch worked ...
[03:16] <powerfox> Also I hafe found 2 different localization packages: kde-i18n and languge-pack-kde-??-base.
[03:18] <djwilcox> any one got any tips for a mac user trying to so a dual boot
[03:18] <djwilcox> have partitioned my hard drive about 15 time times trying to install kubuntu and mac osx side by side
[03:19] <flaccid> whats the problem and what arch is it
[03:20] <dwidmann> woo hoo!!!!!!! it worked!
[03:20] <djwilcox> trying to install kubuntu 610 dual boot with mac osx
[03:20] <dwidmann> adobe flash 9 running in 64-bit konqueror :)
[03:21] <djwilcox> when i partition hard drive i leave one partition for kubuntu formatted as hfs+
[03:21] <djwilcox> should i set the format to unix
[03:22] <flaccid> sweet
[03:22] <kbusrnstw> Hi ppls
[03:23] <kbusrnstw> how can i access to shared foldders from Kubuntu >WIndows and from Windows to Kubuntu??
[03:23] <dwidmann> hi kbusrnstw
[03:24] <dwidmann> kbusrnstw: go to the system menu, click on remote places
[03:24] <dwidmann> then click on samba shares
[03:25] <flaccid> !samba > kbusrnstw
[03:27] <ForgeAus> hmmm flaccid, can you help me?
[03:27] <ForgeAus> I need to know more about how to use recovery console
[03:27] <flaccid> windows?
[03:27] <ScarFreewill> dwidmann: i got into mysql thx
[03:27] <ForgeAus> it doesn't connect to the net nor does my kubuntu (qute) boot
[03:27] <ForgeAus> no well recovery mode or whatever kubuntu calls it
[03:27] <flaccid> ah ok
[03:27] <ForgeAus> (second option on the grub menu)
[03:27] <dwidmann> ScarFreewill: You're welcome
[03:28] <ForgeAus> I tried running aptitude install ubuntu-minimal
[03:28] <flaccid> like what does /etc/init.d/networking start do ?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> but the nothing resolved
[03:28] <ForgeAus> etc/init.d networking start?...
[03:28] <ForgeAus> whats that?
[03:28] <flaccid> to be honest i know not much at all with what that boot gives you
[03:28] <ForgeAus> hangon
[03:28] <flaccid> that starts networkign
[03:29] <flaccid> maybe revoery doesn't do that tbh i don't kow
[03:29] <ForgeAus> well it also opens the filesystem in read-only mode
[03:29] <ForgeAus> so that doesn't help either
[03:30] <flaccid> well then if it doesn't use ramdisk or something like that then its purely recovery
[03:30] <flaccid> but hey i can't really say
[03:30] <flaccid> any recovery mode people here?
[03:31] <djwilcox> whats the new world partition for when your are dual booting with a mac
[03:31] <ForgeAus> wait I might be able to do something here see if anything in there is missing from the live cd and copy it?
[03:31] <flaccid> new world?
[03:31] <flaccid> ForgeAus: whats the problem
[03:31] <djwilcox> new something or other
[03:32] <djwilcox> when i try to install says i need swap yaboot and new world something
[03:32] <flaccid> hmm sorry
[03:32] <flaccid> maybe google
[03:32] <flaccid> maybe they mean ufs not sure
[03:33] <djwilcox> yer have had to partirion hard drive 15 times so far
[03:33] <djwilcox> trying to do dual boot mac osx and kubuntu
[03:33] <djwilcox> doesnt linux like hfs+ formatted hard drives
[03:34] <flaccid> no thats bad
[03:34] <flaccid> surely google can help
[03:34] <flaccid> does ubuntu support ufs?
[03:35] <djwilcox> says my partition has no free space
[03:35] <djwilcox> to install kubuntu
[03:35] <djwilcox> just wondering if need to format the partition as unix instead of hfs+
[03:37] <flaccid> is this intel
[03:37] <flaccid> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=dual+boot+kubuntu+mac+os+x&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[03:37] <jthomas> sorry i don't know if it can READ, but Ubuntu surely cannot use HFS as its root partition, nor probably as its home.  the HFS may work as an extra partition for storage, not sure
[03:37] <flaccid> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=q7Y&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=dual+boot+ubuntu+mac+os+x&spell=1
[03:37] <flaccid> lots there...
[03:37] <djwilcox> right
[03:38] <frojnd> full package about 40mb, foc compyling?
[03:38] <frojnd> for*
[03:38] <frojnd> compiling?
[03:38] <frojnd> package that has tool for compile?
[03:38] <frojnd> tools*
[03:38] <frojnd> :)
[03:39] <shinigami> !chinese
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <shinigami> !chineseinput
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chineseinput - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <shinigami> !scim
[03:39] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[03:39] <jthomas> scim for ubuntu, skim for kubuntu
[03:40] <shinigami> oh ops
[03:40] <shinigami> !skim
[03:40] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1216 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[03:40] <flaccid> ni hao ma ? hehe
[03:40] <shinigami> where are the instructions to install skim?
[03:40] <shinigami> !skim-install
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim-install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <flaccid> !build-essential > frojnd
[03:41] <jthomas> anyone know if Metisse is going to be built for *ubuntu?
[03:41] <flaccid> shinigami: install the package skim with your desired package manager
[03:41] <shinigami> apt-get install skim already hmm
[03:41] <shinigami> anyone knows how to edit the startup scripts in gui?
[03:42] <flaccid> what startup scripts?
[03:42] <flaccid> use a text editor like kate
[03:42] <angasule> shinigami: gimme a minute, you have to manually edit some stuff for skim to work
[03:42] <shinigami> like what is loaded when it starts up.. like those in /etc/init.d/
[03:43] <angasule> flaccid: skim doesn't work unless you install it from the start, I think
[03:43] <shinigami> !startup
[03:43] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[03:43] <flaccid> shinigami:  that depends on what you want to start and when
[03:43] <shinigami> like i want to start skim when it boots (although there's a option in skim to do that) but would like to learn how to edit the scripts
[03:43] <ForgeAus> ok well found some other stuff missing outta there
[03:43] <ForgeAus> so fixed that
[03:43] <auser> hello
[03:43] <ForgeAus> might try rebooting
[03:43] <ForgeAus> might work now!
[03:43] <angasule> shinigami: can you get skim to work at all?
[03:44] <shinigami> angasule: no.. even after running.. i think i'm removing it and installing again
[03:44] <shinigami> doing now
[03:44] <angasule> shinigami: no, wait
[03:44] <ForgeAus> bbl
[03:44] <angasule> shinigami: you have to edit some configuration files
[03:44] <shinigami> angasule: ok..what files
[03:44] <auser> i would like to know if i can insert username and password of my kubuntu from windows
[03:45] <johny454> someone could help?
[03:45] <auser> without use the pc in which kubuntu is installed
[03:45] <johny454> how to install "DRI" on Kubuntu?
[03:45] <auser> hi yvonne
[03:45] <angasule> shinigami: http://scim.sourceforge.net/skim/doc/user/en/#using-skim  <-- you must have those environment variables set, try setting them in a console, and from that console running a GUI app, you'll see that the app will work with skim
[03:46] <flaccid> probably should read the documentation of skim
[03:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:46] <angasule> flaccid: it kind of blows ;)
[03:47] <auser> ????
[03:47] <angasule> flaccid: skim should work after it's installed with apt-get, currently the install is completely unfriendly, it gives no error, it just fails to work
[03:48] <johny454> I've got a problem, can someone help?
[03:48] <flaccid> hehe angasule sounds typical of ubuntu packages :)
[03:49] <Lynoure> johny454: only if you tell what your problem is.
[03:49] <johny454> I don't know how to install "DRI" on Kubuntu. I don't have direct rendering
[03:50] <shinigami> angasule: the skim runs..but ctrl space doesn't work..does that mean i didn't configure properly ?
[03:50] <flaccid> dri nees to be in xorg.conf
[03:51] <johny454> you mean that i have to find the line in xorg.conf?
[03:51] <angasule> shinigami: you have to 'export' the environment variables that are mentioned in that page
[03:52] <shinigami> did..created a .xsession file with executable rights
[03:52] <shinigami> i mean
[03:52] <shinigami> .xinitrc
[03:53] <johny454> shinigami: are yoy talking to me?
[03:53] <flaccid> johny454: you need         Load  "dri" in  Section "Module"
[03:53] <shinigami> johny454: no sorry
[03:54] <shinigami> hmm i can recall installing scim in office isn't that tedious..hehee..what did i do wrong..hmm
[03:54] <angasule> shinigami: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default
[03:55] <angasule> shinigami: and then add these lines:
[03:55] <angasule> XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM"
[03:55] <angasule> LC_CTYPE="en_UK.UTF-8"
[03:55] <angasule> GTK_IM_MODULE="scim"
[03:55] <angasule> QT_IM_MODULE="scim"
[03:55] <shinigami> no default file.. only scim and stuffs.. so i create default?
[03:56] <angasule> shinigami: dunno, give it a try, I guess, I had the file, I don't know why you don't
[03:56] <johny454> Does DRI come with Kubuntu?, so i i don't have to install it ...
[03:57] <shinigami> ok thanks alot hehe still can't but i try to troubleshoot
[03:57] <angasule> shinigami: you will probably have to log out and back again for it to work
[03:58] <flaccid> johny454:  pretty sure it does with xorg yes, but it needs to be enabled in xorg.conf make sure there is not a disabled directive for dri
[03:58] <shinigami> yes i'll do it now hehe
[03:58] <shinigami> brb
[03:59] <BluesKaj> johny454, try this , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:59] <linopil> guys /etc/modules.conf not always present. in fact not needed by default right ?
[04:00] <angasule> linopil: you mean /etc/modules ?
[04:01] <johny454> BluesKaj: thanks
[04:01] <BluesKaj> np
[04:02] <johny454> by terminal, how do i know which driver is loaded?
[04:02] <flaccid> there might be a command but i can't remember hey
[04:02] <flaccid> check xorg log
[04:03] <flaccid> in /var/log/X*
[04:03] <angasule> lsmod
[04:03] <johny454> lsmod|grep?
[04:03] <flaccid> angasule: i think he means xorg
[04:03] <angasule> yeap
[04:03] <angasule> graphics drivers have a kernel component which shows up in lsmod anyway, I believe
[04:04] <php-freak> does any one know why my website looks great in internet explorer, and firefox, but when i open it in konquer it don't view right?
[04:04] <flaccid> ah ok
[04:04] <flaccid> hmm is that for all *nix or just linux ?
[04:04] <flaccid> i guess in relation to xorg
[04:05] <flaccid> or X11
[04:05] <angasule> php-freak: because konqueror is very strict about web standards, so if your website doesn't respect them, it'll look wrong
[04:05] <vge> php-freak: most likely your fonts are messed up?
[04:05] <php-freak> http://www.indianawebsitedesign.net
[04:05] <php-freak> take a look
[04:05] <php-freak> click on like about me
[04:06] <flaccid> if you design in IE you are asking for non-compliance
[04:06] <vge> php-freak: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indianawebsitedesign.net%2F <-- check thease first
[04:06] <angasule> php-freak: for what it's worth, it looks ok to me in konqueror
[04:06] <johny454> does someone know a nice guide about how to compile from sources?
[04:07] <php-freak> angasule: what version you using
[04:07] <angasule> php-freak: kubuntu edgy's default, so I guess it's the same you're using
[04:09] <weedar> how can you let a user run sudo?
[04:09] <php-freak> I'm using 3.5.5
[04:09] <LjL> weedar: add them to the group "admin"
[04:09] <php-freak> konquer, but yes the edges don't look right, hopefully they look right in netscape which granted Idon't know any one that uses konquer
[04:09] <angasule> weedar: you have to add him to the admin group, I think
[04:09] <weedar> thanks LjL =)
[04:10] <linopil> angasule:  still no sound
[04:10] <johny454> wedar: chgroup (user) (admin)
[04:10] <angasule> php-freak: konqueror is very similar to safari, the Mac OS X browser
[04:10] <php-freak> hmm
[04:10] <LjL> angasule: well... it's safari that's "similar" to konqueror, but anyway :P
[04:10] <php-freak> i better get this fixed then cause there is a lot of people using mac
[04:11] <php-freak> i fixed the ending</li> tags but still looks funny
[04:11] <angasule> LjL: you're a slashdotter, aren't you? :P heh
[04:11] <weedar> most pages look much better once they validate, even for insignificant errors
[04:12] <LjL> angasule: no, i'm just annoying
[04:12] <michaelpo> i'm trying to install democracyplayer on ubuntu6.06... but got error message... "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libatk1.0-0"
[04:12] <LjL> !info libatk1.0-0 dapper
[04:12] <ubotu> libatk1.0-0: The ATK accessibility toolkit. In component main, is optional. Version 1.11.4-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 69 kB, installed size 188 kB
[04:12] <angasule> LjL: well, you're halfway there, then, that's the main requisite for being a slashdotter, I'm sure
[04:13] <LjL> it seems to be, what version would democracyplayer require?
[04:13] <johny454> this is what comes after "fglrxinfo" :
[04:13] <johny454> lib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:13] <johny454> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:13] <johny454> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[04:13] <johny454> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[04:13] <johny454> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
[04:14] <LjL> angasule: well at any rate you'll certainly appreciate the fact that Safari uses KHTML, which was and is developed primarily for Konqueror, so being on a KDE centered channel, you surely aren't too surprised that i chirp in if you somehow appear to imply that it's Konqueror the Safari clone ;P
[04:14] <michaelpo> i've libatk1.0-0 installed already....
[04:14] <LjL> Ubotu, tell johny454 about paste | johny454, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:14] <angasule> LjL: oh, I know the difference heh :D
[04:14] <johny454> sorry
[04:14] <LjL> michaelpo: that democracyplayer package, it's a binary package or what?
[04:14] <gabeg> hello
[04:15] <michaelpo> ljl: democracyplayer_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntupcf_i386.deb
[04:15] <dwidmann> funny, thought Safari forked KHTML and called the fork webkit ...
[04:16] <dwidmann> or rather, apple did >.>
[04:16] <LjL> michaelpo: i can see that problem reported in various places on the Web. what's the package's URL?
[04:16] <linopil> midi device in ubuntu
[04:17] <LjL> Ubotu, tell linopil about midi | linopil, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:17] <linopil> LjL:  ty
[04:17] <LjL> linopil: that page mainly explains how to get *software* MIDI output, however
[04:17] <LjL> hardware MIDI can be kind of a pain, depending on the card
[04:17] <michaelpo> http://www.getdemocracy.com/downloads/ubuntu.php
[04:18] <johny454> BluesKaj: I do use this driver, don't have a Direct rebdering though
[04:19] <LjL> michaelpo: right, the listed atk dependency is a newer version
[04:19] <soulrider> LjL: so safari is a konqueror clone? =/
[04:19] <LjL> michaelpo: you can patch up the package manually, though of course there's no guarantees it will work
[04:19] <michaelpo> listed?
[04:19] <michaelpo> how to patch a package manually??
[04:19] <LjL> soulrider: it uses the same rendering engine, just as, say, Epiphany uses the Gecko engine developed for Firefox
[04:20] <LjL> michaelpo, an "apt-cache show democracyplayer" will tell you that the libatk version required as a Depends is 1.12.something
[04:21] <johny454> someone could take a look on this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3458/plain/
[04:21] <ForgeAus> I'm ba-ack
[04:21] <michaelpo> W: Unable to locate package democracyplayer
[04:21] <michaelpo> E: No package found
[04:23] <johny454> michaelpo: add correct repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <Jucato> !info democracyplayer
[04:23] <ubotu> democracyplayer: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 480 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[04:23] <LjL> michaelpo: make a directory (let's say "demo"), copy the .deb to it, cd to it, do "ar x *.deb", do "tar xf control.tar.gz", do "nano control", change the version of the dependency, do "tar -cf control.tar.gz control debian-binary md5sums postinst postrm prerm", then "ar c democracy-new.deb control.tar.gz data.tar.gz"
[04:23] <LjL> that should be about it, with a mistake here or there
[04:24] <soulrider> has anyone here trie Arch Linux ?
[04:24] <LjL> of course, that could be done with proper tools as well
[04:24] <soulrider> i just wanna know if its hard to configure
[04:25] <michaelpo> ok.. will try...
[04:25] <ForgeAus> soul I tried downloading it once...
[04:25] <ForgeAus> didn't get far
[04:25] <ForgeAus> but no hav't tried the actual distro
[04:25] <soulrider> lol ForgeAus
[04:25] <johny454> please take a look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3458/plain/
[04:25] <Ace2016> Anyone know a good image editor?
[04:26] <soulrider> im a newb in linux, i know im keeping ubuntu, but i wanna try other distros, just for the fun of it
[04:26] <ForgeAus> the GIMP!
[04:26] <juano__> Ace2016: the gimp
[04:26] <ForgeAus> has to be THE GIMP
[04:26] <ForgeAus> the only image editor
[04:26] <LjL> or Krita, since we're on a Kubuntu channel
[04:26] <ForgeAus> (for linux anyway)
[04:26] <juano__> !gimp | Ace2016
[04:26] <ubotu> Ace2016: gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[04:26] <ForgeAus> lol Ljl good point
[04:26] <michaelpo> LjL: bash: ar: command not found
[04:26] <ForgeAus> theres always stuff like blender3D and lotsa other graphic packages
[04:26] <Ace2016> well i'm using it for my mplayer skin and the png file for some reason looks messed up in mplayer
[04:27] <LjL> michaelpo: it's in binutils, i'd be very surprised if you didn't have it
[04:27] <LjL> michaelpo: "ls /usr/bin/ar"