[07:06] <xubuntu30i> helloo
[08:01] <xubuntu01d> hello Xubuntu friends! I'm new in this community and I do need some help. I'm trying to change the resolution of my 22inc monitor
[08:05] <xubuntu01d> this is a philips 220cw-8fb/00, and I have installed the Nvidia property drivers, but simply It dos not give me the possibility of selecting the resolution in NVIDIA Xserver  Settings. Could anyone give me an advise how to solve the problem?.
[13:12] <sugardrunk> hello, I have two external Nvidia GPUs and Internal AMD card, When I boot, i get only a blinking cursor on black screen after the xubuntu loader rolling for a second or two, on windows everything works fine. I am not using a xorg-file.
[13:12] <sugardrunk> of, and I try to use the internal card as a default
[13:13] <sugardrunk> if I use external Nvidia, xubuntu boots and it boots with only AMD also
[13:13] <sugardrunk> *of=oh
[16:42] <opencw> hi all
[16:42] <opencw> Is it normal that the screen sometimes flickers. I have Xubuntu 16.04.1 and have no external graphics card installed.
[16:45] <opencw> maybe the panel is damaged?
[16:49] <hbx>  I have a quick question how do I set systemwide proxy settings in Xubuntu? I tried the /etc/enviornment file but that did not work...
[16:51] <opencw> dunno, but why you want to use proxy?
[16:51] <hbx> well I have a squid proxy server running on a raspberry pi and need to set the client side


[01:59] <Charles0> Hello, I'm fairly sure I want to make the switch to Linux.. today.. but I have a couple of questions first :s One is about the upcoming release (in April?) If I install an older version of linux now, will i have to redownload/install the newer version? Or will that be done automatically.. I'm most tentative though, because last time I tried Linux I spent days trying to get connected to my wireless network, but couldn't - and so I w
[02:01] <Charles0> :s alright.. I'll just try my luck :| Will be back if things go wrong :p
[02:01] <Charles0> Cya o.o
[17:19] <jester-> hi
[17:20] <Pici> jester-: Hi, anything we can help you with today?
[17:22] <jester-> Pici: i'm here as irc operator of italian locoteam, is it possible?
[17:22] <Pici> jester-: Oh, thats fine :)
[17:22] <jester-> :D
[20:02] <it_croud> hi
[20:35] <[NikO]> could someone explain why op action deop ?
[20:36] <[NikO]> i prefer have only one bot op
[20:36] <[NikO]> and just one line due to action
[20:40] <Pici> [NikO]: We prefer to know who did the action, as that will go onto the banlist and its how we've written our bantracker.
[20:40] <[NikO]> a bot can do that no ?
[20:41] <[NikO]> each kick quiet or ban made via uBOTu-fr are signed with the author
[20:41] <Pici> [NikO]: Sure, but then we'd need that bot in all of our channels, and if the bot is down it won't work.
[20:41] <[NikO]> the only thing we do urself is akick
[20:41] <stdin> it does, freenode recommends only to have +o when you need it, and we choose to follow that recommendation
[20:41] <[NikO]> stdin, i understand that
[20:42] <[NikO]> but 3 lignes each 10 seconds .. i prefer 1 ligne for that case
[20:42] <Pici> With the traffic that #ubuntu gets, those lines are pushed off the screen pretty quickly.
[20:42] <Nafallo> aliases ftw :-)
[20:43] <Pici> Indeed. All my op/deop events are all aliased.
[20:44] <[NikO]> Pici, i hope for you :)
[20:44] <stdin> most channels follow the same suggestion regarding auto-op
[20:44] <Pici> [NikO]: http://nullcortex.com/2008/06/irssi-aliases-scripts/
[20:45] <[NikO]> thanks :)
[20:45] <[NikO]> stdin, but floodbot is always op, so it the same to use floodbot as main bot, and threads of him for flood no ?
[20:47] <stdin> [NikO]: the FloodBots only preform actions that require +o
[20:47] <stdin> it makes sense for them to have it
[21:55] <[NikO]> http://www.ubuntu.de/ is it normal ?
[21:56] <jpds> [NikO]: Non.
[21:58] <Nafallo> haha. nice!


[04:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvme-cli (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.5-1 => 1.5-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[07:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-9 (eoan-proposed/main) [1:9-1ubuntu1 => 1:9-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:23] <bluesabre> The Xubuntu Eoan wallpaper is ready! Can we get a release team ack on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1846935 before proceeding with the upload?
[10:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-1020.20~18.04.1] (kernel)
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libdazzle (eoan-proposed/main) [3.34.0-2 => 3.34.1-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-games-app (eoan-proposed/universe) [3.34.0-1 => 3.34.1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glib-networking (eoan-proposed/main) [2.62.0-1 => 2.62.1-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rxtx (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.2pre2+dfsg1-1 => 2.2pre2+dfsg1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fswatch (eoan-proposed/universe) [1.14.0+repack-9ubuntu1 => 1.14.0+repack-12] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1020.20~18.04.1]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-meta (eoan-proposed/universe) [0.195 => 0.196] (ubuntustudio)
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> ^Experimental zfs support ^
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-session-manager (eoan-proposed/universe) [1.22.2-0ubuntu1 => 1.22.2-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-mate)


[00:39] <CtrlAlt> can a icon of the main menu change depending on the theme that is being used?
[00:44] <Chesamo> CtrlAlt: Yes
[00:48] <CtrlAlt> thx,;lookit's icon is always black
[00:49] <Chesamo> CtrlAlt: Typo?
[00:50] <CtrlAlt> only the comma :P
[00:51] <CtrlAlt> https://launchpad.net/lookit
[00:52] <Chesamo> CtrlAlt: Not everything changes. Usually things like GEdit, Synaptic, etc. change. Rarely do additional packages have extra icon sets.
[00:54] <CtrlAlt> so I should let it be?
[00:55] <CtrlAlt> i always had the "take screenshot" icon on the panel, and this is waaay better :)
[00:55] <Chesamo> CtrlAlt: Yes, unless you want to create your own icon. You can manually edit each Launcher and override its settings.
[00:56] <CtrlAlt> yeah i've already done that
[00:56] <CtrlAlt> it's ok :)
[00:57] <CtrlAlt> it has a bright ico which is used on the panel with dark themes, so i just changed it on the menu
[00:57] <CtrlAlt> *icon
[02:21] <paultag> hey duanedesign
[02:21] <paultag> duanedesign, sorry, let's take this to team
[05:58] <Chinta> Hi everyone, problem: I connect to internet via a router but for some reason I can only connect to the router with a wired connection, wireless fails to connect. I just moved to a different apartment, in the old one the wireless connection to the same router worked fine but using a different modem. Can anyone help me? I have no idea where to start from.
[05:59] <ddecator> so it sees the network i'm guessing?
[06:01] <Chinta> Ahmm... I can see the router's name, and it tries to connect (green balls spinning), but it just fails, if thats what you ask
[06:01] <PureEvil> hi
[06:02] <ddecator> Chinta: strange. is there a password for the network?
[06:04] <Chinta> I reset the router in case it was a router's password's issue. There shouldnt be any.
[06:04] <PureEvil> any here know how to fix some problems I'm having running dual monitors on a ATI graphic gard?
[06:04] <PureEvil> Card*
[06:04] <ddecator> PureEvil: sorry, not something i'm familiar with, hopefully someone else can help you out
[06:05] <PureEvil> yeah nobody seems to have a answer lol
[06:05] <PureEvil> ATI dont even have drivers that work on 10.04
[06:06] <ddecator> Chinta: try right-clicking the network manager applet, select edit connections, and if you see yours listed in the wireless area selecting it, click edit, then check the box to connect automatically
[06:06] <ddecator> PureEvil: yah, that's the toughest part...
[06:06] <PureEvil> well the only other problem I'm having is with the game uplink lol
[06:08] <PureEvil> for the record the problem I'm having is that the DCI monitor wants to refresh the screen alot, anytime there are high graphic items...Flash, You Tube, Screen Saver, some pics.
[06:10] <Chinta> ddecator: is there a command to try to connect to the router so that I can see what the problem is? (I cant see the wireless networks now that Im wired to the router)
[06:11] <ddecator> Chinta: there isn't really a simple one that i know of
[06:12] <Chinta> Uhmmm, so you think I should disconnect and make sure that the "connect automatically" box is ticked?
[06:15] <ddecator> well you can check that while on a wired connection
[06:15] <Chinta> uhmmm... how?
[06:15] <ddecator> right-click the network manager applet (the arrows if you're using the lucid default) and select "Edit Connections"
[06:15] <PureEvil> my labtop works wireless but not wired lol
[06:16] <PureEvil> I just gave up on that one
[06:16] <ddecator> then find the Wireless sections and see if the network you want to connect to is listed
[06:17] <Chinta> Oh, I see now, thanks. In fact, it is listed several times. Can that be a problem?
[06:18] <PureEvil> do other people near you have wifi routers lol
[06:18] <ddecator> shouldn't be, but you might as well reduce it to one
[06:19] <Chinta> Ok, I will delete all the entries of my router. And yes, there are neighbors around with routers.
[06:20] <PureEvil> I know in my apartment there are like 4 connections that say linksys lol
[06:22] <Chinta> Actually most neighbors have a similar internet connection because high-speed Internet is included in the rent (Finland freaks). Sadly, tech support doesnt support Linux and I refuse to go back to Windows.
[06:24] <Chinta> By the way, is it possible to connect to the same router twice, one using a cable and another one using the wireless?
[06:25] <ddecator> simultaneously, not that i know of
[06:26] <Chinta> Oh, then Im a shameless newbie. I must disconnect the cable and thus from Internet before I can see if I can connect to the router.
[06:27] <Chinta> Ill be back.
[15:06] <mohi2911> hobgoblin: ping
[15:11] <hobgoblin> hi mohi2911 - back in a while
[15:27] <NongA_TongE> greetings.... I'm really hoping that someone can help a little...  LAst night I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 via update manager, and now my wifi is broke.  The information on the forums was sadly inconclusive providing no workable solution that I could find.  Could anyone here point me in the right direction?
[15:28] <NongA_TongE> I should clarify that this upgrade was just an interrim upgrade so that I can then upgrade to 10/04 lts
[15:28] <NongA_TongE> 10.04LTS
[16:23] <NongA_TongE> hello?
[16:24] <hobgoblin> hellp
[16:24] <hobgoblin> and even hello
[16:24] <NongA_TongE> greetings.... I'm really hoping that someone can help a little...  LAst night I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 via update manager, and now my wifi is broke.  The information on the forums was sadly inconclusive providing no workable solution that I could find.  Could anyone here point me in the right direction?
[16:26] <hobgoblin> possibly - some more information will help, what wifi is it? if you are not sure - open a terminal and do lspci - paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com - put a name - enter and give us the new url
[16:27] <NongA_TongE> Broadcom
[16:29] <NongA_TongE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/439941/
[16:35] <hobgoblin> NongA_TongE: have you been here - solved thread with lot's of positives http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1309760
[16:35] <hobgoblin> wireless is unfortunately not something I've had much dealing with
[16:40] <NongA_TongE> hobgoblin,  thanks for the help.  I don't know why that thread didn't come up in my initial search.  there are about 5 other threads related to lost wifi with the 9.10 upgrade, and none offers nearly enough help.
[16:40] <hobgoblin> cool - well I hope it helps you
[16:40] <hobgoblin> it was actually my first result I think
[16:42] <hobgoblin> NongA_TongE: if you've not heard of googlbuntu it's not bad as a search engine
[16:45] <Akos> it's googleubuntu :P
[16:45] <Akos> at least http://googleubuntu.com exists (:
[16:49] <hobgoblin> Akos: yea :) always get that wrong - mostly because it was my second choice - my first choice appears to have died :(
[16:49] <Akos> :P
[16:49] <Akos> it's totally okay :P
[16:49] <hobgoblin> oh good :)
[16:50] <mohi2911> hobgoblin: HELP
[16:50] <hobgoblin> perhaps
[16:50] <hobgoblin> what's up mohi2911
[16:51] <mohi2911> i wrongly formatted one of my partitions and i lost everything in it :(
[16:51] <Akos> auch
[16:51] <mohi2911> is there any way to recover em?? :(
[16:51] <Chesamo> mohi2911: sudo unformat --please :P
[16:52] <hobgoblin> mohi2911: stop accessing reboot with a livecd and hope you can get the info back with testdisk
[16:52] <hobgoblin> all the time you are accessing it you can make the situation worse
[16:52] <mohi2911> ok
[16:52] <mohi2911> brb
[16:53] <hobgoblin> measure twice cut once  - works all the time ;)
[17:06] <uRock> You have a voice! Speak now or forever hold your piece!
[17:55] <Mindgamer> hi. i have trouble configuring ubuntu (9.10) to mount my RAID1 at boot correctly so that it is also shared out as a Samba share. somewhy permissions or something gets messed up so that when accessing the share over the network, i don not have adequate persmissions. can someone please point me in the right direction to solve this
[17:59] <holstein> Mindgamer: can you access the windows box from the linux box?
[17:59] <holstein> you want to pastebin your samba config file?
[17:59] <holstein> are you sure the user/pass matches?
[18:00] <Mindgamer> no.. actually i am sitting behing the windows box and remote to the linux box.. working over VNC. I do have physical access to the linux box but it has no keyboard nor screen
[18:01] <holstein> i used a GUI once too
[18:01] <holstein> samba share manager or something like that
[18:01]  * holstein stopped using samba not too long ago
[18:05] <Mindgamer> samba conf i think: http://pastebin.com/jpY8c2xm
[18:05] <Mindgamer> i think there shouldnt be a user/pass mismatch.. i think i disabled guest access.. and if there was a user mismatch i shouldnt have access at all? but i have read access
[18:06] <holstein> cool
[18:06] <holstein> thats something
[18:06] <holstein> is this going to be outside your firewall?
[18:06] <Mindgamer> yes, i have samba share manager or alike installed, but it does not detect my RAID1-LVM ... only the low level partitions
[18:06] <holstein> if its just at your house
[18:06] <Mindgamer> no - inside firewall
[18:06] <holstein> you can try just easing up on the security
[18:07] <holstein> until it works
[18:07] <holstein> and i forget the resart command
[18:07] <Mindgamer> true, but i have to make it work correctly in the end .. i want to make the share also accessible over sftp
[18:07] <holstein> but you want to restart samba after chagnes
[18:07] <Mindgamer> through a tunnel or something
[18:08] <holstein> i dont see anything leaping off the page there in that .conf
[18:08] <Mindgamer> ok, but i dont really know how to lax the security.. just try to enable guest access?
[18:08] <holstein> Mindgamer: you could try that
[18:09] <holstein> temporarily
[18:11] <Mindgamer> holstein: should i use user/share/server authentication mode?
[18:11] <Mindgamer> i do not know the difference
[18:11] <Mindgamer> looking at samba server settings atm
[18:14] <Chesamo> holstein: sftp isn't run through samba
[18:14] <holstein> ??
[18:14] <Chesamo> I mean uh,
[18:14] <Chesamo> Mindgamer
[18:14] <holstein> Chesamo: i didnt mean to imply that
[18:15] <holstein> Chesamo: OH
[18:15] <Chesamo> Sorry, I misread the lines
[18:15] <holstein> gotcha :)
[18:15] <Mindgamer> Chesamo: yeah i know.. in any case i want to expose the box later to the internet, so i would like to get the security right
[18:15] <holstein> Mindgamer: your reading /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba3-HOWTO/ServerType.html ?
[18:16] <holstein> to be honest, last time i did a samba config, it was for a printer, and there was a burnt sacrifice offered ;)
[18:16] <Chesamo> Mindgamer: I use SFTP usually (much easier to set up than FTP imho) and clients like FileZilla can natively access the server without Samba
[18:17] <Mindgamer> Chesamo: thanks, i will keep that in mind
[18:45] <Mindgamer> i am going nuts here. When i add the share manually through gnome, everything works... after i restart.. the share is available from windows. however - through gnome it is no longer possible to modify share settings... i have no obvious way of stopping sharing files...
[18:47] <holstein> why do you want to stop sharing?
[18:47] <holstein> from the server side?
[18:48] <Mindgamer> i want to rename the share.. and i want to understand how to set the share up so that only i can access it, not everyone in the workgroup...
[18:48] <Mindgamer> and i want to see my current settings for a particular share.. i have no way of seeing them..
[18:50] <Mindgamer> sigh, perhaps i should just be happy it works for now and waith for ubuntu 15.04?
[18:52] <Mindgamer> rebooting both systems to see if i then still have access.. thanks for the support holstein :) later
[22:07] <Darkness_> Is there any way to get rid of the popup that occurs when you press the Sound keys on a keyboard?
[22:09] <holstein> good question
[22:09] <Darkness_> I don't suppose that there's an answer?
[22:09] <holstein> Darkness_: do you want to get rid of only that one nitification?
[22:10] <Darkness_> Yes.
[22:10] <holstein> notification*
[22:10] <holstein> hmmm
[22:13] <Darkness_> I'll be back in a bit.
[22:13] <Darkness_> Tell me if you have an answer.
[22:45] <Zoran_> hallo?
[23:02] <lukjad86> Zoran_ Hi
[23:03] <lukjad86> Zoran_ Can we help you?
[23:04] <Zoran_> oh, hi, yes, maybe
[23:06] <Zoran_> I thought this chat was not working, so Ii have just posted in ubuntu forums
[23:07] <Chesamo> Zoran_: Link to the thread?
[23:07] <lukjad86> Zoran_ Oh, it's just that a lot of us are away from the keyboard for a while
[23:07] <Zoran_> that's ok, I am anyhow just unpationt, not really in a hurry :)
[23:22] <kermiac> hey people :) I was just asked a weird question that hopefully somone knows the answer to. What dows the small keyboard and the human figure at the boot splash mean? -- http://is.gd/cqwqD
[23:22] <Chesamo> The keyboard changes the keyboard layout
[23:23] <Chesamo> and the human is the accessibility options (if you have them installed)
[23:24] <kermiac> ok. that's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure as it was on the bootsplash. Thanks Chesamo :)
[23:24] <Chesamo> You're welcome.
[23:25] <lukjad86> stlsaint !


[14:18] <LyzardKing> Hi! I have an issue with the launchpad build. It was supposed to finish in 10 minutes, but it's been three hours...
[14:19] <LyzardKing> Is the delay only because of the build score? The time goes from 11 to 9 minutes, then back to 11
[14:28] <LyzardKing> Now it's back at 15 minutes...
[14:28] <LyzardKing> This is the repo: https://code.launchpad.net/~lyzardking/+recipe/ubuntu-make-daily
[14:44] <cjwatson> LyzardKing: Looks like a fair percentage of our build farm got stuck at some point over the weekend.  I've poked it, so it should clear the queue soon.
[14:46] <LyzardKing> cjwatson: Thanks! I couldn't figure out what the issue is... It went back up to 20 minutes...Now it seems to be back down...
[14:47] <cjwatson> You'll get that sort of effect when the build farm isn't keeping up.
[14:51] <LyzardKing> Now the build was processed, but it failed with: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sbuild-nonexistent/.profile'
[14:51] <cjwatson> The times are estimates based on guesses at how long each build job is likely to take and how many builders Launchpad thinks are running; one of the ways in which it can be grossly inaccurate is if some builders have got into a state where LP thinks they're in the process of resetting between jobs but they're actually stuck.
[14:52] <LyzardKing> It failed running a test...Do I have to do something particular to get a .profile file in the build?
[14:52] <cjwatson> That sounds like something in your build is assuming that $HOME exists.  You mustn't assume that in a build.
[14:52] <LyzardKing> cjwatson: good to know
[14:53] <cjwatson> Need to fix the code, perhaps by having the test in question create a temporary directory and temporarily set HOME to point to that.
[14:53] <cjwatson> That's a good thing to do, because it isolates your tests from whatever might happen to be in the home directory of the person running the tests.
[14:54] <cjwatson> People don't generally want the process of running some package's tests to fiddle with their dotfiles ...
[14:54] <LyzardKing> Ah, ok... It was done like this by the previous maintainer (And it hasn't been changed since)...But maybe he did something in the build recipe(?)
[14:54] <LyzardKing> I'll have to check that...
[14:57] <cjwatson> LyzardKing: It's probably always been a bug in this package, but we only changed the builders to set HOME to a nonexistent directory in late August / early September or so.
[14:58] <cjwatson> LyzardKing: ... intentionally in order to catch this kind of bug.
[14:58] <LyzardKing> Ah ok! (Is it possible to simulate a launchpad build on my system? So I can test this before triggering another build?
[14:59] <cjwatson> LyzardKing: Using sbuild will be pretty close
[14:59] <cjwatson> LyzardKing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[16:07] <LyzardKing> cjwatson: Thanks! The ubuntu-make ppa is live now!
[16:58] <cjwatson> LyzardKing: oh good
[22:08] <KeithW> Hi folks -- Imports from Git seem to be failing if the repository contains signed commits. (See https://code.launchpad.net/~keithw/mosh/trunk)
[22:08] <KeithW> Is this a known issue? Is there a mitigation we should try?
[22:09] <hloeung> importing from Git to Bzr?
[22:09] <KeithW> Yeah.
[22:09] <hloeung> yeah, it's known
[22:09] <hloeung> LP also has the ability to import from Git to Git
[22:10] <KeithW> It does now -- we haven't touched this import since 2011.
[22:10] <hloeung> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-git/+bug/1084403
[22:15] <KeithW> It looks like the best approach for us is just to move the Launchpad repository from Bzr to Git and then regenerate all of the recipes so they continue to supply the same PPAs. :-(
[22:17] <wgrant> The recipe is just a single line, isn't it?
[22:18] <wgrant> So should be nice and easy to port.
[22:18] <wgrant> The biggest issue will be the version template.
[22:18] <KeithW> Yeah, and we have two recipes (each feeding one PPA) that I don't want to screw up.
[22:19] <wgrant> Hm, I only see one recipe on that branch.
[22:19] <wgrant> Oh, a stable branch too.
[22:19] <KeithW> Right now the recipe is # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}+{revno}-0ppa
[22:20] <KeithW> I wonder if we can get that {revno} from a Git repository? Obviously I want to make sure the new version numbers are > the old version numbers.
[22:20] <hloeung> maybe something like 'git rev-list --all | wc -l' ?
[22:21] <hloeung> not sure how that'll be done in a recipe though
[22:22] <KeithW> While I'm here, is it possible to redirect a PPA? We have a lot of subscribers to ppa:keithw/mosh, and it would be nice to start hosting the packages at ppa:mosh/mosh or something like that.
[22:29] <wgrant> KeithW: There's no way to redirect a PPA. As for the version, see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes#Version_numbers_and_substitution_variables: we've implemented revno for git just like it works for bzr, but it's not really a concept that exists in git so you might want to consider changing your template.
[22:31] <wgrant> (even if redirection was allowed, it would get pretty complicated because of keys etc.)
[23:09] <KeithW> Thanks much. I'm a bit nervous about changing the template (especially for an "emergency" fix), given the consequences of a mistake, but let us think about it...


[11:32] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[11:59] <asac> chrisccoulson: ffox restart worked :)
[11:59] <asac> well done
[11:59] <asac> which file shall i touch to try a more stress way (try many times)
[15:51] <cousin_luigi> Tell me, will Chromium be able to rely on the PPAPI implementation of the flash player?
[15:56] <micahg> cousin_luigi: that's what Adobe has committed to for the future, Ubuntu will be staying with 11.2 though for its life
[15:58] <cousin_luigi> micahg: I mean Chromium instead of Chrome.
[15:59] <micahg> cousin_luigi: I would think so
[16:00] <cousin_luigi> micahg: Someone on irc.mozilla.org/#firefox said that it might not be that obvious.
[16:01] <micahg> unless it uses the native client in some way which we haven't reenabled for chromium yet
[16:01] <cousin_luigi> micahg: I can't find the link now, but it was something about the plugin being distributed only with Chrome.
[16:01] <kbrosnan> the only thing is that adobe said that they don't plan on distributing flash as a download
[16:02] <micahg> cousin_luigi: yes, but we don't distribute flash with chromium now
[16:02] <micahg> oh, right, they're not distributing binaries anymore :)
[16:02] <micahg> well, for 11.3+
[16:02] <cousin_luigi> micahg: Does google?
[16:02] <micahg> yeah, with Chrome, so I guess your point is valid
[16:02]  * micahg digs up the article
[16:03] <cousin_luigi> So, basically Chromium will have the API but not the binary blob to interface to?
[16:03] <micahg> right
[16:03] <cousin_luigi> :(
[16:04] <cousin_luigi> Do you think it would be viable (both legally and technically) extracting it from the Chrome installer?
[16:04] <micahg> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html
[16:05] <micahg> doubtful
[16:06] <cousin_luigi> What about Lightspark and Shumway then?
[16:09] <micahg> cousin_luigi: they'll continue to reverse engineer and try to keep up
[16:10] <micahg> but those projects (gnash as well) need distro and upstream people interested in driving development and rollout of these products
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> what we need is for flash to get hit by a bus and die entirely
[16:12] <cousin_luigi> My very personal hunch is that pay-per-view streaming sites will keep it alive, porn ones especially.
[16:12] <cousin_luigi> Oh yes, and dumb games.:)
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> "google chrome - for people who watch porn" :-)
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> if i were a conspiracy theorist, i would think that google would like to become the sole distributor of flash whilst it's still relevant, to give themselves a very big lever for the web, so that they can make everyone use chrome
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> but, i don't believe in conspiracy theories really ;)
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> of course, google aren't evil like that
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> so they say
[16:16] <cousin_luigi> Well, they would only have a lever on linux (2% of the desktop market) and Android.
[16:16] <cousin_luigi> I suspect Adobe wanted to get rid of the burden.
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> i mean, they did get rid of h.264 from chrome, like they said they would
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> oh, wait...
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> cousin_luigi, i'm pretty sure that adobe dropping linux is just the start ;)
[16:17]  * cousin_luigi goes fetch a tinfoil roll and passes around
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> i think it would be naive to think that they won't drop other platforms in the future
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i should put on my tinfoil hat really
[16:18] <cousin_luigi> Why would they? They're even planning to make more money from it.
[16:18] <cousin_luigi> The 9% tax or whatever is the official denomination.
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> cousin_luigi, well, i'm not sure what adobe's plans for flash are. but, they already killed mobile development, and now they've dropped linux
[16:20] <cousin_luigi> https://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/premium-features.html
[16:21] <cousin_luigi> Well, flash mobile=android pretty much.
[16:21] <cousin_luigi> And we're back at Google.:|
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> :)
[16:31]  * cousin_luigi wonders what's the legal status of https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=57249
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> not sure. it seems that they do the same with the pdf plugin too
[16:37] <cousin_luigi> chrisccoulson: Do you think a PPA based on that would be a problem?
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure
[16:39] <micahg> cousin_luigi: you have to check the licensing, if it's not distributable, then yes, it's a problem
[16:40] <cousin_luigi> micahg: Even if it's the user itself downloading and extracting it?
[16:41] <micahg> cousin_luigi: https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> someone had their PPA disabled recently for hosting the sun java packages ;)
[16:43] <cousin_luigi> micahg: I believe the script itself is GPL'd
[16:43] <cousin_luigi> micahg: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ch/chromium-pepper-flash/PKGBUILD
[16:43] <cousin_luigi> chrisccoulson: I hope it's not the webupd8 one for the oracle jdk7:/
[16:44] <micahg> cousin_luigi: IANAL and refuse to comment further :)
[16:44] <cousin_luigi> micahg: Ok:)
[16:44] <cousin_luigi> micahg: Who do you think I should ask?
[16:45] <micahg> cousin_luigi: if there's a question of licensing in PPAs, #launchpad
[16:45] <cousin_luigi> micahg: ok, thanks
[16:45] <micahg> cousin_luigi: or file a requestnchpad at answers.launchpad.net/lau
[16:45] <micahg> *answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:51] <cousin_luigi> You know what? I'll petition the webupd8 team and have them risk their $NETHER_REGIONS. :)
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> i think that the oracle downloader one is probably ok. if it wasn't, then it's likely that it would have disappeared already ;)
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> of course, IANAL either. perhaps nobody spotted that PPA before :)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> woah, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17589298
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> i bet that guy needed some new underwear after that
[17:50] <cousin_luigi> How come he had a camera following him?


[18:42] <markjones> I'm creatng a video on translating Ubuntu in Launchpad (covering the basics such as what is Launchpad), does anyone have any advice?
[18:43] <markjones> I plan on creating the video in Welsh (my second language) but I will be releasing an English version on my Youtube Channel


[08:00] <kayef> how come i can open and view http://spbo.com/live.htm with IE but i cant load it in firefox....pls help....thanks
[11:40] <vi1> doko_, man-di, can I ask a question?


[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[11:19] <czajkowski> jo-erlend: that rt is taken care of now for you
[15:24] <dholbach> regular expressions are the devil's work
[15:24] <czajkowski> sad no more marianna :(
[15:27] <mhall119> wait, what?
[15:28] <czajkowski> see loco contacts list
[15:28] <bkerensa> Ubuntu got featured last night
[15:28] <bkerensa> :)
[15:28] <czajkowski> on what ?
[15:28] <czajkowski> the ews
[15:28] <czajkowski> adio
[15:28] <czajkowski> tv
[15:28] <czajkowski> *radio
[15:29] <bkerensa> i.imgur.com/BDVds.jpg
[15:29] <bkerensa> at the Winter Coders Social :)
[15:29] <czajkowski> well nobody was going to guess that
[15:29] <mhall119> I was just about ot
[15:30] <mhall119> czajkowski: well that's sad :(
[15:30] <czajkowski> indeed
[15:31] <bkerensa> mhall119: do you know who does Ubuntu Server Support Sales?
[15:32] <mhall119> lots of people, jcastro_ would probably know the best contacts
[15:32] <bkerensa> ok good :D
[15:33] <jono> dholbach, ping?
[15:33] <dholbach> pong
[15:33] <czajkowski> bkerensa: if you have more details I can find out for you
[15:33] <czajkowski> support sales is a bit vague
[15:33] <mhall119> hey bkerensa, would you mind redditing http://mhall119.com/2012/12/quickly-reborn/ for me?
[15:33] <jono> dholbach, is it feasible to create a PPA for adk releases?
[15:34] <jono> dholbach, so when the package is installed an icon appears in the dash and the ADK is loaded in the browser
[15:34] <jono> dholbach, seems doable
[15:34] <dholbach> jono, if you want to move away from .zip files and just have stuff in /usr/share/doc/ or somewhere else?
[15:34] <jono> dholbach, I think we need both, a list of zip files that people can download and a a package they can install if they want
[15:35] <dholbach> ok
[15:35] <dholbach> I'll file bugs
[15:35] <jono> dholbach, so the package would install the content to /usr/share
[15:35] <dholbach> yes
[15:35] <jono> so installing the package has all the materials and docs installed
[15:35] <jono> and an icon in the dash people can click on
[15:35] <jono> this then makes the content really easy to access and install
[15:35] <jono> dholbach, can you assess how much work is involved?
[15:35] <dholbach> I don't know how to do the icon, but I'll file bugs for now
[15:35] <jcastro_> bkerensa: I am 2 emails from yours.
[15:35] <jono> dholbach, I presume it is just a .desktop file
[15:36] <jcastro_> bkerensa: I'll get to it in about 10, sorry, I've been in email hell today
[15:36] <jono> that executes default browser
[15:37] <dholbach> jono, it'll be a couple of hours - it gets hairy if you have multiple languages to take care of and paths to adjust, etc - I just spend a bit of time on bug 1088993 and I'm almost there (I had to adjust links with regular expressions, etc. :-))
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1088993 in Ubuntu Advocacy Development Toolkit "Change directory structure within .zip files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1088993
[15:38] <jono> dholbach, gotcha, lets discuss it more in our call
[15:38] <jono> thanks for taking the time on this dholbach
[15:38] <dholbach> no worries
[15:38] <dholbach> I'm almost done with that bug
[15:38] <jono> dholbach, you rock
[15:38] <jono> I updated the bug with a suggested dir layout
[15:38] <dholbach> I'll have to learn a bit more about Makefiles to make the work reusable though :)
[15:39] <jono> :)
[15:39] <dholbach> ok, your recent comment will make it more complex
[15:39] <dholbach> but I'll add some more bugs and reply in there
[15:39] <jono> dholbach, my comment is certainly not mandated, just to keep it simple
[15:40] <dholbach> we'll figure it out
[15:40] <jono> dholbach, tbh, the most important thing is that we provide easy access to the materials and PDF from the HTML pages
[15:40] <jono> so the dir structure is less important I think
[15:40]  * dholbach nods
[15:46] <jcastro_> bkerensa: I'll have an email for you in a few minutes
[15:46] <jcastro_> just got to find the right guy
[16:01] <jono> jcastro_, dholbach, mhall119, dpm, balloons setting it up
[16:02] <rrnwexec1> jono: i'm here
[16:02] <jono> rrnwexec1, awesome, will dial you in after I run through a few company things with the team
[16:03] <rrnwexec1> cool
[16:03] <jono> jcastro_, dholbach, mhall119, dpm, balloons invite sent
[16:25] <jono> rrnwexec1, won't be long now
[16:26] <balloons> rrnwexec1, should see an invite?
[16:41] <rrnwexec> trying to re-join the hangout
[16:53] <balloons> dropping from the hangout is getting old . . .
[17:10] <dholbach> you know why the doorbell rang? I had "ubuntu unleashed" delivered :-D
[17:21] <dholbach> all right my friends - time to call it a day - see you tomorrow
[17:21] <balloons> dholbach, lol
[17:21] <dholbach> :)
[17:22] <balloons> c u dholbach
[17:22] <dholbach> bye
[18:26] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/14qj1i/ubuntus_quickly_gets_a_reboot_ready_for_more/ upvotes welcome
[18:52] <jono> mhall119, did you talk to daker about the l.u.c changes?
[18:58] <mhall119> jono: not yet
[18:58] <jono> mhall119, ok
[18:58] <jono> if you can check into it, that would be great
[19:16] <cprofitt> jono: getting sleep at night yet?
[19:18] <jono> cprofitt, some :-)
[19:18] <cprofitt> Cool... I was lucky and my three slept through the night fairly quickly
[19:19] <jono> nice!
[19:19] <jono> Jack is doing pretty well
[19:19] <jono> he is in his own room now, sleeping and waking up only a few times in the night
[19:19] <jono> and now we just started to move to pumping and bottles
[19:20] <jono> so at least I can let Erica get some sleep and feed him a bottle
[19:20] <cprofitt> yeah we did the pumping... so Vicki and I shared feeding responsibilities at night
[19:22] <jono> :-)
[19:23] <cprofitt> it worked well... she is a morning person and I am a night person
[19:26] <jono> awesome
[19:26] <jono> it is a lot of fun, thats for sure :-)
[19:27]  * cprofitt nods in agreement with a huge smile
[19:47] <jcastro_> <--- caffeine break, bbi 15
[19:53] <cprofitt> caffeine -- that is something I get precious little of since going on my diet
[19:54] <cprofitt> new low weight this morning... 214 down 53lbs
[19:54] <cprofitt> another 34 more for my target
[20:04] <cjohnston> congrats cprofitt
[20:04] <cjohnston> jcastro_: I need caffeine!
[20:04] <cprofitt> thanks cjohnston
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: CC'd you on an email asking for RT ubuntuonair hosting request ticket
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> ^ update


[19:10] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:11] <kcj> Morning.
[20:40] <olly__> morning
[21:14] <mwhudson> sigh
[21:14] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: #equifoss unban pls
[21:14] <mwhudson> morning
[21:23] <hads> morning
[21:33] <ajmitch> morning
[22:07] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: please hold .. trying to read the scroll back to work out how to do that
[22:07] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: it's in the /topic
[22:07] <ibeardslee> oh yeah it is too
[22:08] <ibeardslee> try now
[22:21] <ajmitch> mwhudson: you get banned that often?
[22:21] <mwhudson> apparently :/
[22:23] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: not working but otp


[00:31] <bazhang> Dr_Coke> Since when did this come into effect
[00:31] <bazhang> probably since the beginning of #ubuntu
[00:34] <bazhang> at least since the compiz cube, I can recall some old time op warning me about ot
[10:13] <k1l> 2017-02-07:15:58:30<      RxMcDonald > my computer system got broked when ubuntu got inside of it and now it does not compute, it can not compute I repeat, it can not compute after ubuntu got in the system.
[10:13] <k1l> that was him the last time trolling
[10:38] <Tm_T> bazhang: no fullhd or anything modern fancy stuff


[08:06] <rickspencer3> jibel, good morning
[08:06] <jibel> rickspencer3, good morning
[08:07] <rickspencer3> jibel, hope things are well
[08:07] <rickspencer3> I noticed that the daily smoke tests don't seem to be running?
[08:08] <jibel> rickspencer3, well, that's what I'm looking. everything looks right, images are available but tests didn't start.
[08:08] <rickspencer3> k
[08:09] <jibel> jamespage, ping
[08:23] <jibel> rickspencer3, a restart fixed the problem and tests are running. Jenkins really didn't appreciate the network issue yesterday.
[08:24] <rickspencer3> heh
[08:24] <rickspencer3> coolio jibel
[08:24] <rickspencer3> thanks a million
[08:25] <jibel> rickspencer3, a citation from a former french president for this week: 'les merdes volent toujours en escadrille'
[08:25] <jibel> rickspencer3, ask your french teacher for a translation ;)
[08:25] <rickspencer3> hehe
[08:26] <rickspencer3> the flying shit always is always something?
[08:36] <jibel> rickspencer3, yeah, less vulgar translation than the french citation would be something like "troubles come in packs"
[08:36] <jibel> rickspencer3, escadrille = squadron of aircraft
[08:36] <rickspencer3> hehe
[08:36] <rickspencer3> ah
[08:37] <rickspencer3> so, I'm not too bumbed I don't know "squadron" yet :)
[08:56] <rickspencer3> jibel, speaking of squadrons of trouble ...
[08:57] <rickspencer3> it looks like software-center broke in precise some days ago
[08:59] <rickspencer3> jibel, there are a lot of software-center tests, could we had at least a basic subset to the daily desktop smoke tests?
[09:01] <jibel> rickspencer3, yes, that's something we can do. we also talked with pitti and gema to add a basic start/stop test of all the default desktop apps available from /usr/share/applications/ and installed on the system
[09:02] <rickspencer3> jibel, ok, maybe you can make some time to discuss with mvo?
[09:02] <rickspencer3> to rephrase, "when you get the time, perhaps you can discuss with mvo" ;)
[09:03] <jibel> rickspencer3, or "I'll get the time to discuss with mvo" :)
[09:04] <mvo> jibel: starting is one thing, it would also be cool to run the "make test" basicly in the s-c tree, if I can help in any way to make this happen, just let me know
[09:04] <rickspencer3> yeah, jibel there are some good tests already in there
[09:04] <rickspencer3> I think at least the ability to install and remove apps would be good for smoke testing
[09:04] <jamespage> jibel: pong
[09:04] <rickspencer3> and then running the whole test suite daily as well would be nice
[09:04] <jibel> jamespage, unping :)
[09:04] <rickspencer3> (since we have the tests)
[09:06] <jibel> jamespage, jenkins was not starting the tests automatically, I restarted it and now it's processing the queue. no more problem for the moment
[09:09] <jamespage> jibel: OK - as you state probably the network issue from yesterday
[09:09] <jibel> mvo, I didn't look at s-c's testsuite, would you have time for a call tomorrow morning, so I understand what it covers and what's useful to run as part of the daily smoke testing ?
[09:09] <mvo> jibel: sure
[09:10] <mvo> jibel: actually tomorrow morning I am not around, it will have to be the afternoon
[09:10] <rickspencer3> jibel, mvo could you both please aptdeamon to that discussion?
[09:10] <mvo> jibel: but I'm happy to help, essentially all it need is (bzr co lp:sofware-center; cd software-center/test; make)
[09:12] <jibel> mvo, ok, I'd like to make sure there's no overlap with the tool I'm writing as part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-upload-intermediary
[09:13] <mvo> jibel: aha, ok
[11:49] <jamespage> jibel: I need to up the default disk image size in ubuntu-iso-testing
[11:49] <jamespage> or make it configurable on a test-by-test basis
[11:49] <jamespage> any opinion?
[13:05] <gema> jamespage: what do you mean by up the default image size?
[13:06] <gema> jamespage: are our tests checking that atm?
[13:06] <jibel> jamespage, feel free to change the default size, it would be easy to make it configurable too using test_config
[13:06] <gema> jibel: is that code in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-iso-testing ?
[13:07] <jibel> jamespage, that's a 2 lines addition
[13:07] <jibel> gema, no it's the project page
[13:07] <jibel> gema, the code is here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk
[13:08] <jibel> gema,  nitpicking ;P
[13:08] <gema> jibel: yep, I meant if that code was in that project x) thanks mr french perfectionist guy :P
[14:10] <alourie|laptop> gema, ping
[14:17] <jamespage> jibel: OK - test_config?
[14:18] <brendand> does anyone know an easy way to get python unittest to output junit xml?
[14:19] <brendand> or, what is the easiest way?
[14:19] <brendand> preferably something that doesn't involve rewriting stuff
[14:19] <jibel> jamespage, you can put a config file in ConfigParser format in the test profile directory and it will be loaded in run test
[14:19] <jibel> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk/view/head:/run-test.py#L264
[14:19] <jibel> *run-test.py
[14:21] <jibel> so you can redefine the disk size if you want a specific value for a test. But of course, if you want change it for all the test, just change the default value
[14:21] <jamespage> jibel: that would be neater
[14:21] <jamespage> I need a bigger disk just for the multi-lvm test
[14:23] <jibel> jamespage, then create a configuration files in multi-lvm directory (config is the default name, I'm not strong at name picking)
[14:23] <jibel> add a section [vm] for example
[14:23] <jibel> and a setting disksize
[14:24] <jibel> then in run-test.py load this value with get_config_value(test_config, 'vm', 'disksize')
[14:24] <jamespage> love it
[14:24] <jamespage> I can use that for the raid test setup as well
[14:24] <jibel> yes, you can change the vm definition this way
[14:41] <alourie|laptop> I hate touchpads!!!!
[14:41] <alourie|laptop> 1 hour of wiki work just busted
[14:41] <alourie|laptop> damn
[14:42]  * jibel hates wikis
[14:42] <alourie|laptop> oh no, it didn't bust!!
[14:42] <alourie|laptop> it was in another window
[14:42] <alourie|laptop> phew
[14:43] <alourie|laptop> I still hate touchpads. No laptop brings a good one
[14:43] <patdk-wk> same here, why I use thinkpads, atleast it's optional then
[14:43] <alourie|laptop> yea, how do they call it? finger mouse?
[14:43] <alourie|laptop> I like those
[14:44]  * alourie|laptop is on friends' compaq
[14:44] <samantha-jian> isometric joystick
[14:45] <samantha-jian> I disable the touchpad on my thinkpad
[14:45] <alourie|laptop> there's no mouse on this compaq other than touchpad
[14:46] <alourie|laptop> that react on sleeves by closing tabs in the browser
[15:00] <gema> alourie: pong
[15:35] <alourie> gema: are you still here?
[15:35] <gema> alourie: indeed
[15:35] <alourie> I wanted to brainstorm couple of ideas with you
[15:35] <alourie> its about the wiki
[15:36] <gema> ok, can you give me , whilst we are at it the guideline to create test cases wiki?
[15:36] <gema> :)
[15:36] <alourie> the guidelines?
[15:36] <alourie> ah, sec
[15:36] <gema> k
[15:36] <alourie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TasksPrecise/TestCasesRewrite
[15:37] <alourie> and I'll get back in a sec
[15:39] <gema> k, ta
[15:44] <alourie> ok, I'm back
[15:45] <alourie> gema: I wanted to discuss a bit our wiki rewriting
[15:45] <alourie> first, thanks a lot for the comments
[15:48] <alourie> now, regarding the "Testing Team" - main idea there is the ISO testing activities. So I think we don't need it, as long as the content is merged into other page. And the idea of it is.
[15:49] <gema> so you think the testing team and the QA Team are the same people
[15:49] <gema> just different tasks?
[15:50] <alourie> yes
[15:50] <gema> ok, sounds like we need one or the other but not both
[15:50] <gema> do you think keeping the QATeam one is better?
[15:51] <alourie> yes, because it gathers all stuff around QA, not just ISO testing
[15:52] <gema> ok, so maybe to make it clearer we need to put the isotesting stuff on a page  called iso testing
[15:53] <alourie> there is such a page
[15:53] <gema> then the testing page would b redundant
[15:53] <alourie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[15:53] <gema> can you keep a list of the pages that are redundant/obsolete so that when we move your content we remove them?
[15:53] <alourie> sure
[15:54] <gema> thanks
[15:54] <alourie> that would mean, btw, that the page above would move to QATeam/ISO
[15:54] <gema> yep, the iso testing one also needs rewriting
[15:54] <alourie> indeed
[15:54] <gema> let's take one step at a time , a top down approach, let's get the root right (QATeam) and drill down
[15:55] <alourie> I feel that there's a dependency tree that needs rework
[15:55] <alourie> sure thing
[15:55] <gema> indeed
[15:55] <gema> maybe we should do that, think of the structure
[15:55] <alourie> ok, good point
[15:55] <gema> and then shuffle the content around or remove it as we see fit
[15:55] <alourie> agreed
[15:56] <gema> so far I have QATeam and QATeam/AutomatedTesting
[15:56] <alourie> and there's Testing
[15:56] <gema> the automatedtesting one is up to date because I have been editing it
[15:56] <gema> yep, but we said that one is redundant
[15:56] <alourie> yes, but it has subpages
[15:56] <alourie> such as ISO
[15:57] <gema> yep, we need to recover those
[15:57] <alourie> which should be moved to, say, QATeam
[15:57] <gema> yep
[15:57] <alourie> that's why I said dependency tree :-)
[15:57] <gema> ok, let's go for that
[15:57] <gema> have you an idea of what it would look like?
[15:57] <alourie> and there's Kubuntu/QA, and probably something for Xubuntu as well. Should we unite them too?
[15:57] <alourie> and join us?
[15:58] <gema> I don't see why not
[15:58] <gema> if they agree
[15:58] <alourie> not completely yet. I'm still working on the root page, so I hope it becomes clearer as I progress with it
[15:58] <gema> alourie: ack, I will let you get on with it and have a good look at the test cases page
[15:59] <gema> alourie: do you prefer that I send you comments or that I change stuff on the wiki itself?
[15:59] <alourie> I'm almost happy with it now,  btw, after incorporating your comments
[15:59] <alourie> ahm
[15:59] <alourie> I don't mind you changing things
[15:59] <alourie> just let me know if you do
[15:59] <gema> ok, will let you know when I am done , I am going to do it now
[15:59] <alourie> great
[15:59] <alourie> thanks
[15:59] <gema> np
[16:00] <alourie> so, I'll continue working on root wiki page, and let you know on list when I'd like another feedback session
[16:01] <brendand> mvo - have you and the swc developers considered instrumenting the unittests with junitxml, so that jenkins can give a detailed report?
[16:01] <brendand> mvo - slash, are you running jenkins?
[16:02]  * alourie is adding 'create dependency tree graph' to tasks
[16:03] <mvo> brendand: not yet, but we want to do both, I will take with jibel tomorrow how we can do that
[16:03] <mvo> brendand: is it easy to enable the junitxml with unitest, haven't looked into this yet
[16:07] <brendand> mvo - unfortunately it seems to require modifying the test. about 6 extra lines, including the import
[16:09] <brendand> mvo - e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/771264/
[16:09] <brendand> mvo - could be scripted probably
[16:10] <brendand> mvo - assuming unittests have been written pretty uniformly
[16:11] <jibel> mvo, "profile: profile/main-all-amd64 worked"
[16:11] <jibel> mvo, \o/
[16:11] <jibel> 5 hours to play main-all and main-all-amd64
[16:13] <gema> alourie: I am done with the guide
[16:13] <alourie> k
[16:13] <alourie> thanks
[16:26] <gema> np
[16:27] <mvo> jibel: !!!!
[16:27] <mvo> brendand: thanks, looking
[16:46] <gema> alourie: do you mind that I put you against a wiki task on the blueprints?
[16:46] <gema> alourie: that way your work shows up with the rest of our workload
[16:46] <gema> kalosaurusrex: same with your ISO testing work
[16:49] <gema> I will ask on the list
[17:05] <brendand> mvo - some screenshots for you. http://people.canonical.com/~brendan-donegan/swc-jenkins/
[17:07] <mvo> brendand: nice
[17:12] <mvo> brendand: thanks a bunch, I check it out after dinner
[17:12] <mvo> brendand: check it out futher I mean :)
[17:12] <brendand> mvo - and you can pack up the coverage reports and attach them to the build :)
[17:12] <brendand> tis awesomeness
[17:15] <mvo> yeah, that as well
[17:15] <mvo> !!!
[17:15]  * mvo is excited
[17:25] <stgraber> jibel: not sure if you spotted that today but I messed up casper a bit yesterday causing some error messages to show up on the reboot prompt (please eject the CD, ...)
[17:26] <stgraber> jibel: I'm fixing that now so next dailies should be looking good again (the error doesn't break anything, it's just ugly ;))
[17:27] <gema> brendand: that plugin looks good
[17:27] <gema> brendand: where did you get those tests from?
[17:30] <brendand> gema - in software-center
[17:30] <brendand> gema - no plugin needed. jenkins parses junit natively
[17:30] <brendand> gema - the tests need to be modified to output junit, but it's a few lines of code per test
[17:30] <gema> brendand: have you tried python unit?
[17:31] <gema> brendand: is the output any similar?
[17:31] <brendand> gema - well, pyunit is based on junit, but by default the output isn't xml
[17:31] <brendand> gema - so you just have to make it output xml
[17:32] <gema> brendand: ack, I am going to look into that
[17:32] <brendand> gema - if i could do this on a public jenkins instance then everyone could see it
[17:32] <brendand> gema - i think i need to ask my isp for public ips. what a pain
[17:32] <gema> brendand: the public instance of jenkins is managed by IS
[17:32] <brendand> gema - but i can create jobs on it, right?
[17:32] <gema> brendand: you could have a domain always informed of your ip
[17:32] <brendand> or i need a ticket for each job/change to a job :)
[17:32] <gema> brendand: we have that here and it works wonderfully
[17:33] <gema> brendand: but you need to tinker with your router
[17:33] <brendand> gema - yeah, that's the thing. i need to find the password again :)
[17:34] <gema> brendand: haha, talk to you when I have my jenkins instance running, we may be able to publish from mine
[17:34] <gema> I have all that setup
[17:34] <gema> brendand: but my router has got a problem that I have been ignoring for weeks now, need to reinstall it this weekend :)
[19:27] <patrickmw> brendand, hey do you need jenkins assistance?
[19:28] <patrickmw> brendand, the public instance is read-only and never actually runs jobs
[19:28] <patrickmw> brendand, we use a few private instances that push results to jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:29] <brendand> patrickmw - i'd just like a playground where other people can see what i'm doing
[19:29] <brendand> (weird sentence)
[19:29] <patrickmw> brendand, I gotcha though
[19:31] <patrickmw> brendand, the private instances can be used as a sandbox to test jobs.  But there are rules.  For example, depending on what type of tests you are running you will need a system to run tests on.  VMs are easiest if that will do.
[19:31] <patrickmw> brendand, the master instance does not run tests so security and as not to fubar the server
[19:32] <patrickmw> brendand, another issue is that the labs are behind IS controlled firewalls
[19:32] <patrickmw> brendand, if you need access to ports that are not open you will need to open a ticket
[19:53] <brendand> patrickmw - vm will do fine
[19:54] <brendand> patrickmw - where do i go?
[19:55] <patrickmw> brendand, this is something that will require configuration from the lab admin
[19:56] <patrickmw> brendand, for now please send and email to qa-team with your VM requirements and how you intend to use jenkins so we can get you set up as easily as possible
[19:57] <patrickmw> there is quite a backlog, but since we have a full time admin now things will pick up quickly
[19:57] <brendand> qa-team@?


[10:23] <lotuspsychje> a lil more patience for the iso alkisg_web and we can start testing :p
[10:28] <alkisg_web> lotuspsychje, I'm tempted to just manually change my apt sources to jammy, and pick up the pieces after the apt full-upgrade... :)
[10:29] <alkisg_web> I'm hoping there won't be any ext4 corruptions, and I need virtualbox; other than these, I don't have any weird requirements...
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what Blueskaj also doing every new release, but in my case, i wanna test every step of the process, aka also setup stages etc
[10:29] <alkisg_web> I do that too but later on, when betas are out
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> i follow the whole process real early
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> got this spare test laptop anyway
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> good for early bugs and make a nice good LTS release for the community and my customers
[10:30] <alkisg_web> Nah I want it in my main production system, I can find 500% more issues that way :)
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> haha
[12:05] <webchat27> Hi, are the jammy daily repositories available?
[12:13] <guiverc> jammy exists for updates.. but dailies I don't believe have started being built
[13:06] <stevenm_> how soon would a page like this... https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:06] <stevenm_> start to show alpha daily builds of 22.04 ? :D
[13:07] <stevenm_> i.e. are we talking 'next week', 'before xmas', 'jan', 'feb,' march' ?
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> im sure it will be pretty soon stevenm_
[13:12] <stevenm_> really?  how soon is normally?  I mean I know there is normally a new release every 6 months, but does that mean someone gets a 1 month rest (or however long) before starting the next one ? :D
[13:12] <stevenm_> *is it
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> stevenm_: daily iso's can be tested in pretty early stage, lets say 'week(s)'
[13:51] <alkisg> This is the date when I installed 20.04 alpha:  # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-MATE 20.04 LTS Focal Fossa - Alpha amd64 (20191114)]/ focal main multiverse restricted universe
[13:51] <alkisg> So I guess mid-November the alphas will be there, maybe even earlier...
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> cool