[00:00] <xalen> You've got your files, you've got your Win installer. Go for it!
[00:00] <pikapika> Yeah its installing right now
[00:02] <kevo> Looking for help getting mDNS lookups working on 17.10
[00:06] <jeffrey_> I have a buffalo link station.  How to permanently mount the share.
[00:07] <northivanastan> whenever i go on away, i get disconnected minutes later. that's annoying
[00:09] <jeffrey_> how to mount a smb share.
[00:10] <pikapika> Awesome!
[00:10] <pikapika> It worked
[00:10] <pikapika> Windows is working too
[00:11] <pikapika> There was a funny glitch screen though when I chose the option to boot Windows, but after it came to login screen after sometime and everything seems the same afterward
[00:14] <pikapika> Within Windows 10 I am seeing the formerly free space as two partitions now marke as "Healthy (Primary Partition)" the first 45.04 gb the second 3.78 gb. No drive appears on "This PC" however, just as before. Is this normal?
[00:14] <pikapika> *marked
[00:15] <pikapika> I hope its alright.
[00:16] <pikapika> Anyways the whole operation was really scary lol
[00:16] <pikapika> Thanks to the people who allayed my fears
[00:17] <pikapika> I am asking the partition matter on ##windows too just to be sure
[00:17] <dax> yes, Ubuntu partitions would show up in Windows' disk management but wouldn't have a drive under This PC
[00:17] <dax> that's how Windows handles partitions it doesn't understand, in general
[00:18] <pikapika> Thanks!
[00:19] <tomreyn> the first one will be / (basically, where all linux data + boot code is), the second (small one) will be swap
[00:19] <xalen> pikapika: Good to know, enjoy!
[00:19] <pikapika> :)
[00:20] <tomreyn> jeffrey_: you can place it in /etc/fstab
[00:21] <tomreyn> jeffrey_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[00:29] <Thedarkb> How do I disable .Trash-1000 on removable drives but not my main drive?
[00:36] <lordcirth> Thedarkb, just remembering to use shift-delete is probably the simplest way
[00:36] <Thedarkb> How do I disable .Trash-1000 on removable drives but not my main drive?
[00:36] <Thedarkb> A feature windows has had since 95
[00:37] <Thedarkb> don't get me wrong, I've been using Lubuntu exclusively since 2011, but .Trash-1000 is a pain in the arse.
[00:40] <lordcirth> Thedarkb, I've taken a look and I don't see a good way of disabling it partially.
[00:40] <Thedarkb> Who's idea was this?
[00:42] <lordcirth> I think Debian introduced the Trash folder for graphical file managers.
[00:42] <Mehrzad> Hi
[00:43] <Thedarkb> Is it time to change file managers?
[00:43] <lordcirth> Now, if there's only a few specific drives, you can touch a file called .Trash-1000 and it will block things being moved there
[00:43] <lordcirth> Thedarkb, I only use a graphical file manager for photos and movies, for thumbnails.  bash is quicker for most things.
[00:44] <Thedarkb> I like my drag and drop.
[00:45] <Mehrzad> I have mounted one of the drives by adding a line to /etc/fstab. But I can't rename the files or folders in that drive in nautilus. This is the line that i have added "UUID=82D06FC5D06FBDD3 /home/extra     ntfs    defaults 0       2" what is the problem?
[00:49] <rypervenche> Thedarkb: I find that holding shift while dragging to the trashcan permanently deletes a file.
[00:49] <Thedarkb> Not in that context
[00:49] <Thedarkb> I mean I like to drag files around, which is why I don't use bash.
[00:49] <Thedarkb> I'm competent with bash, I'm not fast with it though.
[01:01] <atrus> i've got an ubuntu 16.04 vm that's dying about once a day on a kernel panic, and I don't really know how to proceed. Here's what i was able to get from the virsh console when the VM died https://pastebin.ca/3951578
[01:05] <rypervenche> Thedarkb: Then maybe make a little desktop launcher that empties the trash, or just empty it whenever it has something in it?
[01:05] <Thedarkb> I want the trash can to still work on my main HDD
[01:05] <nerdyass> Freezing while shutting down
[01:06] <nerdyass> Used to boot by command acpi=off
[01:06] <nerdyass> Idk what this command does
[01:06] <nerdyass> Found it on a forum
[01:10] <Bashing-om> nerdyass: Rather then disbling ACPI - replace the table. SEE: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html .
[01:16] <Mr_Cyclops> hey guys, in Ubuntu, how may I figure out the form factor of my laptop hard disk drive? I want to know if its the thin or the thick one
[01:16] <Mr_Cyclops> just lazy to open it up and check it
[01:17] <Mr_Cyclops> I used to use a command, but then can't recall
[01:20] <anes> Dear friends when i update firefox in ubuntu i got firefix 57.0.1 version, but in that firebug extension will not work . please help to downgrade it to firefix 56 itself
[01:31] <HyperHorse> anyone here?
[01:31] <rypervenche> HyperHorse: Yep.
[01:31] <HyperHorse> i tried to install Ubuntu yesterday
[01:31] <HyperHorse> and i got a couple of error messages
[01:31] <HyperHorse> you want the whole lot with the long numbers?
[01:33] <rypervenche> Mr_Cyclops: Try lshw -C disk
[01:33] <rypervenche> Mr_Cyclops: With a sudo in front.
[01:33] <xalen> That'd be good. Use pastebin.ubuntu.com
[01:33] <HyperHorse> ...........
[01:33] <HyperHorse> ?????
[01:34] <xalen> Hyperhorse: paste the error there and share the link here
[01:34] <xalen> Hyperhorse: I'm assuming the error is quite long, not ideal for a chat message
[01:35] <rypervenche> Mr_Cyclops: Or hwinfo --disk
[01:36] <HyperHorse> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26242438/
[01:36] <HyperHorse> only 2 lines :-P
[01:37] <Mr_Cyclops> thanks rypervenche ,,, I was using smartctl -i /dev/sda and lshw commands ... letme try hwinfo as well
[01:38] <xalen> HyperHorse: did it halt the installation or you were able to finish it?
[01:38] <Mr_Cyclops> rypervenche, the output of your command, still can't figure out what I am looking for
[01:39] <HyperHorse> no i was not able to finish install
[01:40] <HyperHorse> i waited a few mins b4 deciding to flick the reset switch
[01:50] <xalen> HyperHorse: For what I've seen it's solved by adding radeon.modset=0 in the grub config file, but that's on installed systems. Not a solution since your system isn't installed, but it's a start
[01:53] <xalen> HyperHorse: and 'radeon.dpm=0'
[01:54] <HyperHorse> i'll give it a shot
[01:54] <HyperHorse> no one here uses discord/skype?
[01:55] <xalen> I'm going through the arch wiki for ATI, but I haven't deal with this issue before. Perhaps someone else have
[01:55] <Loshki> I thought everyone stopped using Skype when Microsoft bought it
[01:55] <HyperHorse> ........ lol yeah right
[01:56] <HyperHorse> i still use it from time to time for phone calls
[01:56] <Loshki> You know Microsoft is listening.  Doesn't seem to matter on irc.
[01:57] <HyperHorse> xalen, so i just add that at the end of the scrub boot options?
[01:58] <HyperHorse> i dont need to add a dash or anything?
[01:59] <EldonMcGuinness> Anyone familiar with doing incremental backups with tar?
[01:59]  * HyperHorse waves @ EldonMcGuinness
[02:00] <EldonMcGuinness> lol, were you just waiting for someone to pop in?
[02:01] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: For incremental backups, I find rsync to be the best.
[02:02] <HyperHorse> meh, be back in a bit
[02:03] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: The problem with tar is that it's hard to figure out what is different between two backups since the backups are usually compressed. I like to use rsync with hard links so that I can have many backups that don't take up a whole lot of extra space.
[02:04] <EldonMcGuinness> I was considering rsync actually, but I was not sure if that would work well with an ftp destination.
[02:04] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: There are also programs out there that can do all of that for you. Personally, I prefer a script with plain rsync.
[02:04] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: I suppose the first question is why are you using FTP instead of SSH/SFTP?
[02:04] <EldonMcGuinness> yea I was going to whip up a script with tar, but had a question about the incremental file. I'll give rsync another read.
[02:05] <rypervenche> (rsync uses SSH)
[02:06] <EldonMcGuinness> well the ftp is an in-house server. I've not looked to see if they offer an ssh connection with it. Let me check that out first.
[02:14] <EldonMcGuinness> yea they only offer a regular ftp connection to it, though that is not an issues as I just mount the ftp share when needed. It is ip limited and in the same datacenter, so I'm not really worried.
[02:14] <EldonMcGuinness> And the data is nothing sensitive so meh, just data I would rather not have to re-pull from original sources.
[02:15] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: Ahh, so this is something like a data center providing you with a backup FTP server?
[02:16] <EldonMcGuinness> indeed
[02:16] <rypervenche> Hmmm, I don't think you'll be able to have a real incremental backup system set up with FTP in the mix.
[02:17] <rypervenche> You could have one locally that you then sync via FTP to your backup. Or that you tar up and keep a certain number of backups, but that won't be incremental.
[02:17] <EldonMcGuinness> well I know I can use tar, I'm just going to have to read how the incremental file it creates is needed. Going to give it a whirl.
[02:17] <EldonMcGuinness> Yea, tar does have an incremental option, but there is an odd line about making a copy of a list file that has me a bit confused. Guess I just need to experiment to see what it needs.
[02:17] <rypervenche> Yeah, I don't have experience with the incremental options in tar. Good luck :)
[02:17] <EldonMcGuinness> :D
[02:18] <EldonMcGuinness> Differential is easy enough and I might just go that route if all else fails
[02:26] <HyperHorse> im back
[02:27] <HyperHorse> xalen, yo?
[02:32] <HyperHorse> bbs
[02:34] <xalen> HyperHorse: Sorry, I was reading and saw your message after you left
[02:34] <xalen> After editing grub config file, you should always regenerate it to take effect
[02:37] <EldonMcGuinness> got it working @rypervenche :D
[02:41] <EldonMcGuinness> Now I just need to do a bit of cleanup and argument processing to make sure it is sane enough for others to use
[02:45] <EldonMcGuinness> had to do a bit of trickery with the ftp mount, since the snapshot file does not seem to get created.
[02:46] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: Nice.
[02:50] <EldonMcGuinness> @rypervenche https://pastebin.com/iJjAnyNS in case you're interested.
[02:50] <EldonMcGuinness> using the formatted date-stamp I'll be able to make sure restores are automatically done in the right order, assuming the clock never gets screwed up on the server heh
[02:52] <rypervenche> Ah nice. I'll have to play around with this.
[02:55] <EldonMcGuinness> fun times, now to let screen run and backup this metadata. 30GB worth, this will need coffee
[02:56] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: Cool, just learned it. How many levels of backups do you plan on having?
[02:57] <rypervenche> Just level 1s?
[02:57] <rypervenche> Then occasionally a new level 0?
[02:58] <rypervenche> I suppose that's how it's done with differential backups.
[03:01] <EldonMcGuinness> Na going to do a weekly backup and likely a running 6 months
[03:01] <EldonMcGuinness> So 24 ish
[03:03] <EldonMcGuinness> Will need to build in an argument for Max number, but that is trivial
[03:09] <rypervenche> EldonMcGuinness: Nice. Always learning something new.
[03:12] <EldonMcGuinness> Yeah love nix
[03:13] <socomm> For ssh sessions is /etc/bash.bashrc supposed to read?
[03:14] <socomm> I've added a line to this file for testing and it doesnt appear to be read when I ssh, however ~/.bashrc is.
[03:16] <EldonMcGuinness> Depends on the system I believe, but .bashrc and .profile should work
[03:18] <vasp> Hey guys, could anyone tell me if the 40MB ubuntu net install ISO could be converted into a live CD ISO on chroot?
[03:21] <EldonMcGuinness> socomm:  this might help ya https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51710
[03:23] <socomm> EldonMcGuinness: Thank you.
[03:29] <fightthewalrus> I've been unable to get updates from xenial-updates, xenial-backports and xenial-security for a few days now when I run sudo apt-get update. Could it be a problem with my regional server?
[03:29] <fightthewalrus> This problem prevents me from also installing new software besides updating my current stack
[03:32] <Bashing-om> fightthewalrus: Pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' so we see the errors in context .
[03:35] <fightthewalrus> Bashing-om: ok, here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/26242920/
[03:38] <Bashing-om> fightthewalrus: look'n .
[03:42] <Bashing-om> fightthewalrus: change your mirror and try again (??) .
[05:26] <HyperHorse> im back, finally
[05:27] <EldonMcGuinness> wb
[05:35] <BuRaT1No> Privet Vsem!
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> BuRaT1No: can we help you?
[05:37] <Zensei> wut
[05:37] <Zensei> I auto logged into ubuntu
[05:37] <Zensei> was registered nick removed?
[05:37] <BuRaT1No> да все нормально... просто  поздоровался ...  i am just say HellO! )
[05:38] <HyperHorse> ......... fucking cyrllic script
[05:38] <HyperHorse> your brain will pop inside out if you use that too long
[05:38] <BuRaT1No> don`t f.... ))
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> HyperHorse: keep language family friendly here please
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> BuRaT1No: this is english ubuntu support only
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> !ru | BuRaT1No
[05:39] <BuRaT1No> thx )
[05:39] <HyperHorse> borka borka borka
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> HyperHorse: stop that please
[05:40] <BuRaT1No> cya
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> Zensei: you need to register to use #ubuntu now
[05:42] <Zensei> I know lotuspsychje, which is why im surprised im here
[05:42] <Zensei> I have it set to autologon, but I never enter here because my nick registers after the room opens
[05:42] <Zensei> but
[05:42] <Zensei> im here
[05:42] <Zensei> Im weirded out
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Zensei: you need to set the SASL method
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Zensei: then you will identify before enter
[05:49] <Zensei> Thanks :)
[05:58] <_kk22kk_> hi all, am using ubuntu 17.10 on DELL inspiron laptop with 2 GB RAM, 32 bit Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU. On the same laptop its been 5+ years of running ubuntu
[05:58] <_kk22kk_> issue: it frequently freezes... everything is standstill.. keyboard and mouse go standstill
[05:58] <_kk22kk_> any idea how to debug? i have searched UBUNTU forums and stackoverflow but couldnt find any thread which solves my issue..
[05:58] <HyperHorse> get more RAM
[05:58] <HyperHorse> when was the last time u changed the thermal compound on the cpu?
[05:59] <_kk22kk_> hmm...i havent changed it at all..
[05:59] <HyperHorse> the cpu might be overheating
[05:59] <_kk22kk_> oh
[05:59] <HyperHorse> you running any diagnostic software to keep track of internal temps?
[05:59] <_kk22kk_> but i did not have this issue until i updated to 17.10
[05:59] <HyperHorse> is your room getting noticeably warm?
[05:59] <HyperHorse> so go back to the previous version
[06:00] <_kk22kk_> no i havent..room is also not that warm because the laptop stays close to a window
[06:00] <_kk22kk_> previous version 17.04 had no such issues
[06:01] <_kk22kk_> any tips if i can fix this issue with 17.10 instead of a rollback???
[06:02] <_kk22kk_> the same laptop has a dual boot wiith windows and that has no issues. for this point i alon i feel " HW or motherboard or CPU" is perfectly fine
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> _kk22kk_: did you try the xorg session?
[06:03] <_kk22kk_> i havent tried... good suggestion
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> _kk22kk_: try and come back plz
[06:04] <_kk22kk_> ok thanks
[06:06] <Zensei> check your packages
[06:06] <_kk22kk_> like?
[06:06] <Zensei> I noticed mine had a ridiculous amount of packages I never need nor use, like all the desktop environments
[06:06] <_kk22kk_> i use bleachbit and cleared all unwanted.. but thanks for the tip!
[06:08] <hide4> test
[06:09] <_kk22kk_> test what? u mean harddisk test?
[06:13] <HyperHorse> _kk22kk_ test of your patience :-P
[06:16] <_kk22kk_> :p
[06:18] <_kk22kk_> best suggestion till date :-)
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> _kk22kk_: im bug testing 17.10 & 18.04 xorg/wayland got some open bugs on it, plz go test the xorg session
[06:18] <_kk22kk_> ok sure i am doing it rightaway
[06:18] <_kk22kk_> thanks again
[06:23] <StoneCypher> i'm able to find caffe-cuda on packages.ubuntu but i don't seem to be able to get it out of apt-get
[06:23] <StoneCypher> what am i too new to grok?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> !info caffe-cuda
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> StoneCypher: correct packagename?
[06:28] <dax> caffe-cuda is only in 17.04 onwards, so if you're on 16.04 or something it won't be in there
[06:37] <DevilsDulcimer> anyone know how an executable talks to the terminal? the bash terminal? is there some buffer or stream object that when you send a string to it, you are typing in a shell command? also, i know a process has stout, stderr, and stdin, so the output should go to stdout.
[06:49] <EriC^^> DevilsDulcimer: might want to try asking in ##linux as well
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> DevilsDulcimer: perhaps the #ubuntu-devel guys might also know this
[06:49] <DevilsDulcimer> ok
[06:59] <alkisg> Good morning everyone
[07:00] <alkisg> DevilsDulcimer: it talks using a tty, which corresponds to /dev/stdin, /dev/stdout, dev/stderr
[07:00] <alkisg> You can see the file descriptors in `ls /proc/self/fd`
[07:00] <DevilsDulcimer> thanks for the info, so its like writing to a file, just got to get the correct descriptor then .
[07:01] <alkisg> DevilsDulcimer: what are you trying to do?
[07:03] <DevilsDulcimer> just trying to see how linux works...im doing some practice runs with c++ and want to invoke some utilities but through the shell
[07:04] <alkisg> OK, google for spawn and pipes then. The child process stdio can be read/written to from C++ using a pipe.
[07:08] <pennTeller> Guys is there a way to force ubuntu to use "mysql" everytime a script tells it to use "mariadb"?
[07:08] <pennTeller> I installed mariadb but it only runs if I use it as if it were mysql though it isnt mysq
[07:27] <Nooby_One_Nooby> hello
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> Nooby_One_Nooby: welcome, what can we do for you?
[07:29] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ubuntu 14.04 here on an HP laptop (pavilion series). Just wondering... if i want to upgrade to the most recent ubuntu, how can i do that, and will that upgrade result in loss of my data (documents, foto's, etc) since i am physically somewhere where i have no access to external drives for backup
[07:29] <Nooby_One_Nooby> also taking in mind, i'm an absolute noob
[07:30] <alkisg> !upgrade
[07:30] <alkisg> Summary, you run do-release-upgrade and it gets you to 16.04 while keeping your data
[07:32] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ok, i'll be reading the links firstly
[07:32] <Nooby_One_Nooby> thanks
[07:36] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: also this, for the graphical approach: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#0
[07:40] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ok, the second link from ubottu and your link, alkisg are not loading ... screen stays blank (apart from browser - Firefox)
[07:41] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: that's strange, it works fine with firefox here
[07:41] <alkisg> If you have another browser like chromium-browser, try with that one
[07:42] <Nooby_One_Nooby> i tried reloading a few times, but stays the same ... even doesn't show a message that connection is interrupted, or something like that... just blank
[07:44] <Nooby_One_Nooby> when i open chromium, that program keeps crashing on startup
[07:45] <alkisg> Eh, sounds like a broken installation?
[07:45] <alkisg> Maybe you want to *install* 16.04 while keeping your data, instead of upgrading?
[07:45] <alkisg> The 16.04 installer does support that
[07:46] <Nooby_One_Nooby> what's the difference between upgrading and installing? And yes, i have a few broken things on my 14.04. I don't mind loosing the installed programs, only concern is my data
[07:47] <Nooby_One_Nooby> actually, i would rather have a "clean" ubuntu to start over with again
[08:08] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: you'll need some means to back up your data. What data are you talking about? Videos, pictures and songs? Or do you mean settings for applications?
[08:10] <Nooby_One_Nooby> videos, music and books and files ... however, i have no access to external physical drives at the moment. Setting sfor applications, i really don't mind, as i would prefer to start from scratch in the new ubuntu because of many issues i have
[08:11] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: in that case one thing you could do is create a new partition and move your files there. the only problem you have then is sufficient space
[08:13] <Nooby_One_Nooby> i'm ubuntu 14.04, dual boot. Is there a way to put those files in my windows partition, without creating a third partition?
[08:13] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: yes, you'll just need to mount the partition first
[08:15] <Nooby_One_Nooby> is it possible that that has happened automatic, since there is a 380gb drive visible on ubuntu ... i never thought of copying files from one part onto the other
[08:16] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: yeah, your file manager usually has a list of drives on the left that you can click to mount them
[08:22] <Nooby_One_Nooby> while i'm transferring the files, i want to uninstall and remove all traces of some programs in the terminal, what's the best way to approach that?
[08:24] <Nooby_One_Nooby> because various links give various anwsers, and also what if the name in the terminal is different that the name showing in the applications list?
[08:24] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: is there much point in doing that if you are going to fresh install anyway?
[08:25] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ah, so the install will already remove all programs?
[08:25] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: installing afresh will format the partition. nothing will be there. you'll be starting from a blank slate
[08:27] <Nooby_One_Nooby> so that's why i needed to backup my files.  Or somehow, if all goes well, those files will be intact and i just did the backup as a precaution?
[08:28] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: backing up the files is necessary because of formatting the partition for the fresh install
[08:28] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ok
[08:29] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: what i prefer to do is keep a separate storage partition for my files. that way every time i fresh install a new release of ubuntu i don't have to back up anything
[08:29] <Nooby_One_Nooby> i see
[08:30] <Nooby_One_Nooby> normally, the important files, i put on an external drive. But i'm not at home, so i don't have access to them.
[08:37] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: fresh install CAN keep your files intact if you choose it in the menu
[08:37] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: if in doubt, select "try ubuntu before installing" from the live cd/usb, and come here for guidance in the installer menus
[08:39] <Nooby_One_Nooby> when you say menu, what menu do you refer to?
[08:40] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: the installer, e.g. https://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/10/22/dd65739d-f393-40ff-a65c-25f6e6325bac/resize/770xauto/9308c67b2dbd4fce481228f62ac73cab/partitions.png
[08:40] <alkisg> If at that point you select "custom" and you select "ext4 without formatting", then it keeps your /home while reinstalling the programs
[08:40] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: you mentioned you had some issues with 14.04 and would rather have a clean 16.04 install. if you choose to go with the method of keeping files from 14.04 during your install then you'll be keeping all the cruft that has built up and most likely passing the issues onto your new install
[08:41] <alkisg> auronandace: that's not true
[08:41] <alkisg> You probably don't know it either, but ubiquity, the installer, can keep /home while reinstalling /usr etc
[08:41] <alkisg> So it's a completely clean installation, that doesn't require a backup
[08:42] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: a tutorial: https://askubuntu.com/questions/630966/keep-home-directory-when-installing-ubuntu-14-04
[08:43] <auronandace> alkisg: doesn't it still keep all your installed programs? does it remove PPAs?
[08:43] <alkisg> auronandace: it's a completely clean installation, it doesn't keep programs or ppas
[08:43] <alkisg> The only difference from formatting, is that it keeps /home
[08:45] <auronandace> alkisg: sorry, i didn't know that, thanks for the information
[08:45] <alkisg> np
[08:48] <auronandace> alkisg: if he is having issues with any application setting in /home would the best thing to do is move/delete that .whatever directory for the application in question? that would force it to create a fresh one upon launching the program again, wouldn't it?
[08:49] <Nooby_One_Nooby> and what about the start-up menu? Will it be upgraded directly, and keeping my windows dual boot ok? I have no means to backup my windows files as well
[08:49] <alkisg> auronandace: the settings for applications are stored in .directories that start with a dot. If needed, it's much easier to move those folders aside, and let them be recreated on next login, than messing up with user accounts and transferring data
[08:50] <alkisg> Nooby_One_Nooby: yes, the "boot manager menu" is automatically handled
[09:07] <Nooby_One_Nooby> since i'm taking the time to backup my files, wouldn't it  be better to do a complete new install? as i just need to put the files back from windows later on, no?
[09:08] <alkisg> It doesn't offer any benefits. But if it feels easier or safer to you, sure, go ahead.
[09:11] <Nooby_One_Nooby> it's just, i'm readingg the link that you have sent, and i'm not sure i'm be able to handle some steps that are required when keeping the data. It seems easier to just do a complete install
[09:12] <Nooby_One_Nooby> like my name says "noob"
[09:16] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: what steps are you having problems with?
[09:22] <Nooby_One_Nooby> it's not having problem with (as i did not start yet), it's the uncertainty of my capacity with any step that involves taking action instead of accepting an automated process
[09:23] <auronandace> Nooby_One_Nooby: i suppose the less steps the better for you
[09:23] <Nooby_One_Nooby> you supposed correctly lol
[09:24] <Nooby_One_Nooby> however, my first bump ... i'm missing about 50gb on my windows partition
[09:31] <anuj> test
[09:32] <alkisg> Successful :)
[09:32] <snahil_indoria> \nick obama
[10:03] <ojeakyun> Hello
[10:03] <ylwghst> Hi
[10:04] <ojeakyun> Can I ask about DE stuff here or is this channel purely for issues?
[10:05] <bazhang> ojeakyun, what sort of DE stuff
[10:05] <ojeakyun> whether Unity DE will still be available after Ubuntu switches to modded Gnome
[10:06] <ylwghst> currently is stil available
[10:08] <ylwghst> sudo apt install unity
[10:08] <akik> ojeakyun: it'll be available in 16.04 for about 3 years
[10:08] <ojeakyun> and after those 3 years?
[10:09] <akik> ojeakyun: well do you have a time machine?
[10:10] <ylwghst> will be dropped probably
[10:12] <ojeakyun> Time will have to tell I guess, thanks even though it wasn't really a support issue
[10:13] <akik> ojeakyun: i meant 16.04 will go end-of-life in 3 years
[10:15] <ojeakyun> I mainly use the Unity DE so I'm worried whether it will be available for versions after 16.04
[10:16] <akik> ojeakyun: probably not from ubuntu but there is some smaller project who might keep it alive
[10:17] <ojeakyun> Hopefully
[10:18] <FMan> hellos
[10:18] <thelinuxbox> Hi
[10:19] <thelinuxbox> Good morning
[10:20] <jeremies> How to share files between two users of the same computer with mount --bind ?
[10:22] <EriC^^> jeremies: put them in a dir both can access, no need for mount --bind
[10:23] <jeremies> EriC^^: but then I have to change the permissions on the files and this is somewhat messy
[10:24] <EriC^^> jeremies: mount --bind doesn't change that
[10:25] <jeremies> EriC^^: And bindfs ?
[10:26] <EriC^^> jeremies: do you only want the second user to have read-only access?
[10:27] <jeremies> EriC^^: No, write access too.
[10:29] <EriC^^> jeremies: i've never used bindfs, seems a little complicated
[10:32] <EriC^^> jeremies: i guess it could do the job, it does say on the site it makes stuff a little slower though
[10:32] <jeremies> EriC^^: thank you, I will try it
[10:33] <EriC^^> jeremies: no problem
[10:36] <jeremies> EriC^^: I don't know, I can do it with traditional file permissions, but then I have to change all the permissions of files inside the folders, and this I don't know if sensible files can get affected
[10:36] <EriC^^> jeremies: what kind of files are they?
[10:38] <EriC^^> jeremies: you could always save the permissions of all the files, using 'getfacl' and then 'setfacl' to set them all back the way they were if things dont work out
[10:38] <jeremies> EriC^^: They are files inside the home folder, but have a variety of permissions, some are applications, I don't know because I am not the owner of the files
[10:38] <jeremies> EriC^^: I don't know if it's a good idea to change the permissions in a massive way.
[10:40] <EriC^^> jeremies: yeah, definitely, though i think you could get by with adding an extra group to them all
[10:40] <akik> jeremies: there's a way to keep the group permissions the same. use chmod g+s dir, then put you  users in the same user group and set umask 002 for both of your users
[10:40] <EriC^^> jeremies: i dont know, bindfs is sounding a lot better right now, minus the performance loss issue
[10:41] <akik> jeremies: files/dirs created under that dir will keep the same group owner
[10:41] <EriC^^> jeremies: yeah alkisg brings a good point, just add user1 to the main user's group, i bet all the files are rwx for the group anyways
[10:42] <EriC^^> and the g+s so the groups stay the same when user1 makes something new
[10:43] <jeremies> but if some file is only user read and write, then user2 can't read that file, isn't it?
[10:43] <EriC^^> jeremies: true
[10:44] <EriC^^> sorry i meant to say akik brings up a good point :)
[10:46] <Cooler> how do you set up a vpn on ubuntu WITHOUT custom vpn client software like OpenVPN?
[11:19] <jeremies> Eric^^: How to force that all files created on a folder are owned by a particular user and group independently of the user that created it?
[11:34] <jeremies> How to share a directory like samba shares but within the same computer between two local users?
[11:39] <Mikelevel> jeremies~ im not sure but... you can make a group for this two users and give permissions for a concrete folder
[11:41] <vimart> jeremies: create a group with your user id name and add users you want to share files with to this group. Of course don't forget change the permissions of the shared folder.
[11:43] <jeremies> vimart: but then if a user2 creates a file in my shared folder, then user owner of this file is user2 not me.
[11:44] <EriC^> jeremies: if you set g+s the created file will have the same group as the parent dir
[11:44] <jeremies> EriC^: yes, but not the same user owner as the parent dir
[11:44] <EriC^> jeremies: yeah
[11:45] <EriC^> but both users can access the files
[11:51] <jeremies> Eric^: but if you have a file that has no group permissions then one user can't access the files
[11:52] <jeremies> Eric^: how to force that all new created files have the same group and user permissions
[11:52] <jeremies> ?
[11:52] <EriC^> jeremies: set the dir to g+s
[11:53] <EriC^> jeremies: when you set the setgid bit any created dirs or files will be created with the same group as the parent dir
[11:59] <jeremies> EriC^: And umask 002 what is it for?
[12:01] <momomo> anyone knows of any good list of API with access-control-allow-origin:*
[12:01] <momomo> i need to be able to search on a term (homework)
[12:01] <bonhoeffer> if i want to have multiple private vm's, is ubuntu the way to go for each vm -- not sure if i want virtualbox, kvm, qubes, etc
[12:10] <alkisg> bonhoeffer: VMs with desktops for users, or servers?
[12:14] <bonhoeffer> alkisg: i would like to have different machines each totally separated for the different work I do
[12:14] <bonhoeffer> security is important
[12:15] <EriC^> jeremies: it's for newly created files so they have permissions 770
[12:15] <EriC^> jeremies: sorry 775
[12:34] <jeremies> EriC^: is it a good idea to chmod -R g+rws /home/shared ?
[12:35] <jeremies> alkisg:  is it a good idea to chmod -R g+rws /home/shared ?
[12:36] <alkisg> jeremies: are you using ltsp-manager? do I remember well?
[12:36] <jeremies> yes
[12:36] <alkisg> It has internal sharing abilities
[12:36] <alkisg> You can create shared folders from its dialog
[12:36] <alkisg> It's using bindfs to manage permissions without having the owners etc issues
[12:37] <jeremies> alkisg: but it's in another computer the issue
[12:37] <alkisg> OK; anyway that's the best method I found and implemented for shared folders
[12:37] <alkisg> All the others have various issues
[12:38] <jeremies> alkisg: bindfs do you mean?
[12:38] <alkisg> !bindfs
[12:38] <alkisg> !info bindfs
[12:39] <jeremies> but if you use bindfs then when you umount that directory the permissions are all mixed
[12:39] <jeremies> alkisg: it's not a problem?
[12:40] <alkisg> No, because the files will be created using the owner and group that you specify in bindfs
[12:40] <alkisg> So even if another user creates the file, both the bindfs mount and the underlying dir will have correct permissions
[12:40] <alkisg> So the permissions will be constant. Not mixed at all.
[12:41] <jeremies> alkisg: I am using this command " sudo bindfs -o perms=0700,mirror-only=user1:user2:user3 /home/shared /home/shared" and the permissions are mixed
[12:42] <jeremies> alkisg: what command do you use?
[12:45] <dekatch> hi, may i get help to modify a command i found on askubuntu.com? found on this thread https://askubuntu.com/questions/397602/how-do-i-copy-top-x-files-from-a-directory-to-another-using-terminal-command?
[12:45] <dekatch> following command #find . -maxdepth 1 -type f | head -1000 | xargs cp -t foo_dir
[12:47] <FMan> Permission denied!!!
[12:47] <dekatch> what i want to modify is that it only copies the first file. changing it to [...] head -1 [...] solves this.. now how could i modify the command to do the fine in all subdirectorys?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks and Merry Christmas!
[13:01] <MonkeyDust> and to you BluesKaj
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi MonkeyDust
[13:02] <pedrocr> is there a way to blacklist UAS in usb_storage on the live cd?
[13:02] <pedrocr> I have an enclosure that doesn't work properly with UAS enabled and wanted to use the live cd to do a clone
[13:03] <HyperHorse> BluesKaj, asl?  You can put break=mount in initramfs and do it at that point
[13:07] <HyperHorse> windows 10 is not letting me format a hdd!!!!
[13:07] <pedrocr> alkisg: on the live cd?
[13:07] <alkisg> Yes
[13:07] <pedrocr> from the grub menu?
[13:07] <alkisg> grub or syslinux menu, yes
[13:08] <alkisg> What exactly do you want to do?
[13:08] <alkisg> Just add it to blacklist.conf?
[13:08] <pedrocr> alkisg: make sure usb_storage gets loaded with quirks=174c:5136:u
[13:08] <pedrocr> I can't edit blacklist.conf in the live cd
[13:08] <HyperHorse> i've tried Ubuntu
[13:08] <HyperHorse> Mint
[13:08] <HyperHorse> and KDE
[13:08] <pedrocr> well I can with some large surgery
[13:08] <alkisg> pedrocr:  Sure you can, in a live manner
[13:08] <HyperHorse> nothing wants to install
[13:09] <HyperHorse> NOTHING
[13:09] <alkisg> pedrocr: from the grub menu you can edit the kernel options
[13:09] <pedrocr> alkisg: was trying to avoid having to do this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[13:09] <MonkeyDust> HyperHorse  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[13:09] <alkisg> pedrocr: you don't need to create a new cd
[13:09] <pedrocr> alkisg: and there's a kernel option to pass an option to a module that's not yet loaded?
[13:09] <HyperHorse> windows audio service won't work
[13:09] <HyperHorse> i've tried all these "suggestions"
[13:09] <HyperHorse> and looking to install linux
[13:10] <alkisg> pedrocr: you just press "e" on grub or "tab" in syslinux, and either pass module options in the cmdline, or pass break=mount and edit blacklist.conf in initramfs
[13:10] <HyperHorse> to see if my audio issue is a hardware, or an OS issue
[13:10] <HyperHorse>  disclaimer- i am a complete linux NOOB
[13:10] <alkisg> pedrocr: yes of course the module parameters can be specified in the kernel before they're loaded
[13:10] <pedrocr> alkisg: sounds good, will do that if the 17.10 live cd doesn't have a fixed kernel
[13:10] <pedrocr> alkisg: do you have a reference for how to pass module parameters in the kernel cmd?
[13:11] <jeremies> alkisg: please help I tried with option force-user but the user in the umounted directory is mixed
[13:11] <alkisg> pedrocr: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[13:12] <alkisg> pedrocr: (kernel command line) usbcore.blinkenlights=1
[13:12] <alkisg> That's specifying a parameter to usbcore module
[13:12] <alkisg> jeremies: I made a utility for shared folders, I'm not interested in re-doing it manually... :)
[13:13] <pedrocr> alkisg: thanks, will try that
[13:13] <alkisg> np
[13:13] <pedrocr> ugh, writing a live cd to a slow pen drive makes the system half unresponsive
[13:13] <pedrocr> something is really wrong with the default IO priorities
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> HyperHorse  keep it in the channel
[13:14] <HyperHorse> how about you type a response of some kind?
[13:14] <HyperHorse> or are you too proud to say, i have no idea?
[13:14] <alkisg> HyperHorse: that attitude is certain to NOT get you any help here
[13:14] <HyperHorse> all i want back is  AUDIO
[13:14] <HyperHorse> nothing is fun without AUDIO
[13:15] <alkisg> We are volunteers, we don't need to listen to rants or swears etc
[13:15] <HyperHorse> well you think people who need help are totally happy?
[13:15] <alkisg> That's all I had to say. Better attitude => more chances to get help.
[13:15] <HyperHorse> i paid for windows 7 and then this "free upgrade" of windows 10... and this shit happens... you think i'm going to be happy???
[13:15] <jeremies> alkisg: what is the utility?
[13:16] <alkisg> jeremies: ltsp-manager
[13:16] <HyperHorse> you have no idea of all the things i have tried in the last 2 1/2- 3 days
[13:16] <alkisg> (specifically, its shared-folders service)
[13:16] <auronandace> HyperHorse: have you tried asking in ##windows regarding your audio issue? (seems a little drastic to me to completely swap your OS because audio doesn't work)
[13:17] <HyperHorse> auronandace, thanks for the channel
[13:17] <jeremies> alkisg: but in this computer i don't have installed ltsp
[13:17] <alkisg> jeremies: ok; i'm just saying I'm not interested in re-doing it manually...
[13:18] <alkisg> If you want only part of ltsp-manager, you can read its code and extract the parts you need
[13:18] <alkisg> E.g. how to use bindfs, how to call it as a service etc etc
[13:20] <BluesKaj> HyperHorse, have you tried partitoning with gparted live media?
[13:21] <HyperHorse> partitioning an ntfs drive with something i've never heard of?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> !gparted
[13:21] <BluesKaj> HyperHorse,^
[13:24] <HyperHorse> no i have not
[13:24] <HyperHorse> what does that hav eto do with anything?
[13:24] <riz0n> Good morning. I am having a really weird issue out of a couple of Ubuntu systems. When I 'apt-get update', it fails to fetch package lists, returning 404 Not Found.  I can't find it in gsettings, and I'm trying to figure out where it could be stored. Any idea?
[13:29] <pauljw> he didn't want help
[13:29] <pedrocr> should probably open a bug report to get yet another of these enclosure chips blacklisted in the kernel
[13:31] <pedrocr> at 7MB/s this will take a while, guess that's what the UAS was for
[13:32] <pos> what is the proper way of upgrading the xorg hwe stack on xenial?
[13:32] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1584557   pedrocr , see if it fits you
[13:33] <pedrocr> pos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:34] <pedrocr> ioria: that's the same issue on another device
[13:34] <ioria> pedrocr, i see
[13:41] <riz0n> Solved my problem. Misconfigured firewall traffic rule between DMZ and LAN :)
[13:53] <alkisg> pedrocr: you're welcome
[14:03] <azizLIGHT> is there a way i can use an android phone to unlock/lock my desktop at will on demand (like a widget/button/notification), instead of typing my password on the keyboard at the login screen
[14:13] <azizLIGHT> im aware of blueproximity and dont want something passive
[14:13] <maziar> I have NVIDIA Corporation GM107GL how can I install it ?
[14:17] <xixor> sup.  Just wondering about the 17.10 bios bug, is it still a concern if you're installing in a VMWare VM?  My googling wasn't conclusive.  cheers
[14:18] <akik> xixor: no it's not a problem in a vm
[14:19] <azizLIGHT> i guess if i knew how to code i could build it myself
[14:21] <azizLIGHT> i know how it should work: widget on home screen of phone (protected by pin lock screen) opens ssh connection to ubuntu desktop (only works if on the same network or vpned to network) by ssh keys, then issues some command to unlock to desktop
[14:21] <jpt9> Any idea if the 17.10 BIOS bug affects the ThinkPad X220?  (I don't believe it has an Insyde BIOS -- I don't have the machine with me, but I believe it has a Phoenix BIOS.)
[14:21] <azizLIGHT> can you actually unlock to the desktop using ssh
[14:26] <ikonia> I don't see how you could unlock the dektop with ssh
[14:26] <ikonia> it's awaiting an input to an X11 session
[14:27] <Nooby_One_Nooby> hello
[14:28] <Nooby_One_Nooby> @alkisg, still present and active?
[14:29] <azizLIGHT> ikonia: oh i see hmm
[14:29] <Nooby_One_Nooby> or @auronandance?
[14:29] <azizLIGHT> Nooby_One_Nooby: what irc client are you using
[14:29] <xixor> akik: thanks, cheers
[14:29] <Nooby_One_Nooby> uhm ... ? xchat in ubuntu 14
[14:30] <azizLIGHT> ah ok, interesting to see the @ prefix before a nick
[14:30] <azizLIGHT> in irc
[14:30] <ikonia> people often type it
[14:30] <Nooby_One_Nooby> i don't know the correct prefix, just using the @ to try to address them personally
[14:30] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: just say the name, eg: ikonia hi
[14:31] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia hi
[14:31] <ikonia> there you go, that work
[14:31] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia merry xmass ;)
[14:31] <ikonia> and to you
[14:31] <Nooby_One_Nooby> cheers
[14:31] <Nooby_One_Nooby> anyway, general question, just referred to them because they helped me out earlier today
[14:32] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ubuntu 14, dual boot ... want to upgrade
[14:32] <Nooby_One_Nooby> just finished the backup of important files
[14:32] <Nooby_One_Nooby> so, now i go to the ubuntu site and choose the option "download" (version 16)?
[14:33] <ikonia> !upgrade | Nooby_One_Nooby
[14:33] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: have a read of the URL's ubottu's just offered you
[14:33] <rommel> major difference from 16 to 17... Nooby_One_Nooby you should read up  bit
[14:34] <Nooby_One_Nooby> the second link does not work ... i receive a blank page in my browser (blank, not a "connection interupted" or things like that)
[14:34] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: second link works fine
[14:34] <ikonia> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[14:34] <azizLIGHT> it redirects to https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#0 for me
[14:34] <Nooby_One_Nooby> rommel upgrading from 14 to 16, actually what i want to do
[14:34] <rommel> ok
[14:35] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia i know that the links works fine with other people, i received the link earlier today, refresh, etc, but on my end i got nothing
[14:35] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: check the other links
[14:35] <ikonia> !upgrade
[14:35] <rommel> when did ubuntu start using systemd
[14:35] <Nooby_One_Nooby> the first link from ubottu works fine, the second not
[14:35] <ikonia> rommel: 16.04 I think
[14:35] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: ok - use the first
[14:36] <rommel> Nooby_One_Nooby, so that will be another difference, systemd that is. though as an end user it may not matter
[14:36] <Nooby_One_Nooby> the first only gives info to upgrade from 14 to 15
[14:36] <azizLIGHT> ikonia: i found this to unlock gui from ssh: https://askubuntu.com/questions/862944/how-to-unlock-screen-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts-using-command-line
[14:37] <azizLIGHT> not sure which answer is still relevant but it looks like theres some possibility
[14:37] <rommel> Nooby_One_Nooby, if you have backed up maybe clean install would be best
[14:37] <ikonia> azizLIGHT: reasonably sure that won't work, try it
[14:38] <Nooby_One_Nooby> like my name suggests, i'm a noob... the question is, suffices to use the ubuntu site, and click on the download button there?
[14:38] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: no
[14:38] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: READ the link
[14:38] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: that tells you what to do
[14:38] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 (on the metal, not virtualized) on an 11 year old iMac. How can I be sure that OpenGL is being accelerated correctly?
[14:38] <Nooby_One_Nooby> indeed Rommel, i really need a clean install, since i have many issues with many applications
[14:38] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: clean install, you'll need new media
[14:39] <ikonia> !install | Nooby_One_Nooby
[14:39] <rommel> Nooby_One_Nooby, so 16.04lts will be the last version before unity is dropped
[14:40] <rommel> personally though i liked unity i have always liked gnome so i like 17.10
[14:43] <rommel> Nooby_One_Nooby, dvd is possibly easiest so an iso or iso to usb if your hardware supports it
[14:50] <lucidguy> yay, my two linux boxes and windows10 box auto clean shutdown if there is a power out.
[14:50] <lucidguy> I can sleep better at night knowing that I will never suffer from data loss due to a power out
[14:51] <azizLIGHT> did you follow a guide lucidguy ?
[14:52] <lucidguy> azizLIGHT: Umm man files some google searches, using an ancient apc smartups1000.  Getting the Windows box to come from a linux call was cool
[14:52] <lucidguy> and once box was the nfs server, so it had to come down last or the other linux box would hang, nothing the sleep command could not solve
[14:53] <lucidguy> And I get push notifications when I'm onbattery and off.. or if the shutdown sequence is triggered
[15:01] <Nooby_One_Nooby> rommel i don't have access to dvd nor usb
[15:02] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia what do you mean with new install i need new "media"?
[15:02] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: you need media to install from
[15:02] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia "media"? do you mean dvd, usb, etc?
[15:03] <ikonia> correct
[15:03] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia, don't have access to those items
[15:03] <Nooby_One_Nooby> is there no other way?
[15:03] <ikonia> how do you expect to install a clean install without any media ?
[15:04] <Necm> hi
[15:04] <arora> Hello Necm
[15:04] <Necm> thanks
[15:04] <Necm> i have problem
[15:05] <arora> What problems do you have?
[15:06] <arora> Necm: ^^
[15:06] <Necm> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26245512/
[15:07] <Necm> how i can remove /dev/vda1        20G   19G     0 100% ???
[15:07] <Nooby_One_Nooby> ikonia i don't expect anything, i really don't know the ways. I just now that i don't have access to media
[15:08] <Necm> i cant use tabl
[15:08] <Necm>  cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[15:08] <Necm> its very absurd
[15:08] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: wait until you get some media then, a DVD, a USB, something
[15:08] <ikonia> Necm: so part of your disk is full
[15:08] <ikonia> Necm: have a look which part and house keep it
[15:09] <Nooby_One_Nooby> and if i do an upgrade, does that automatically mean that the upgrade will show the same errors i have in my ubuntu now?
[15:09] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: depends on the problems and the reasons you have those problems
[15:10] <Necm> ikonia:   ?
[15:10] <Necm> how can i clean
[15:10] <Nooby_One_Nooby> the problems, ikonia: lot's of programs crash, some don't work (certainly because my incompetence of understanding the terminal, but yet so)
[15:11] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: so a clean install seems a better way
[15:11] <ikonia> Nooby_One_Nooby: start a fresh with your data backed up (personal view)
[15:11] <ikonia> Necm: what part of the disk is full ?
[15:11] <Nooby_One_Nooby> looking at the ubuntu site, ikonia, there is also an option, according to them, to use a network installer
[15:13] <Necm> heyy
[15:14] <Necm> ikonia: i use vps
[15:14] <MonkeyDust> Nooby_One_Nooby  there's this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[15:17] <Nooby_One_Nooby> monkeydust your link, at the beginning, gives a note "... sparc machine ..." ... what's a sparc machine?
[15:22] <Rovanion> Any idea why debootstrap xenial /mnt would leave me with a system in /mnt without apt?
[15:25] <Nooby_One_Nooby> for a noob as me, the network install seems way too complicated, so i'll try to find a dvd the next few days, burn the 16 iso and install
[15:25] <Nooby_One_Nooby> there's only 2 things left to do
[15:25] <Nooby_One_Nooby> thanks to all who helped me out
[15:26] <Nooby_One_Nooby> and the second thing: a very merry xmass to all!!! (i'm on my way already to make it a very merry one indeed!)
[15:27] <Cobrax> when i want to install a repo to install latest version of certain software
[15:27] <Cobrax> what are those called?
[15:27] <Cobrax> I keep forgetting...
[15:28] <Cobrax> PPA, nevermind
[15:28] <peet> 。。。。
[15:31] <r3muxd> Hello! I'm trying to boot Lubuntu 16.04 LTS on my PowerPC iMac. However, no matter what I do, I get a kernel panic.
[15:31] <r3muxd> end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0)
[15:32] <r3muxd> If I wait a few minutes, I see a message saying "random: Nonblocking pool initalized".
[15:36] <TJ-> r3muxd: The latter message you can ignore.. The issue is the kernel cannot find the root file system (VFS = Virtual File System layer of the kernel)
[15:36] <r3muxd> It's a LiveCD though.
[15:37] <Rovanion> r3muxd: Try to validate the contents of the livecd
[15:37] <r3muxd> Checked md5sums
[15:37] <r3muxd> and burnt it twice
[15:37] <r3muxd> both give the same erro
[15:37] <r3muxd> error*
[15:37] <TJ-> r3muxd: is this on a DVD, not a USB device?
[15:38] <r3muxd> i tried both
[15:38] <r3muxd> i burned it to a usb and cd
[15:38] <Rovanion> Since you've tried multiple times its unlikely, something can go wrong when burning/flashing it. Therefore it is recommended to validate the image from the GRUB boot menu.
[15:39] <r3muxd> I checked the md5sum of the iso
[15:39] <r3muxd> but also i don't boot into grub
[15:39] <r3muxd> it boots into something called "yaboot" when i start the livecd
[15:40] <EriC^> how are you making the live usb?
[15:40] <r3muxd> rufus
[15:40] <EriC^> try linuxlive usb creator
[15:41] <Rovanion> r3muxd: Checking the md5sum of the iso is different to validating the contents of the actual storage device.
[15:41] <r3muxd> but why would the cd fail in the same way?
[15:41] <TJ-> r3muxd: when it boots have you tried holding down the 'C' key to get to the yaboot command line? Then you can boot an alterntive config
[15:41] <r3muxd> yes
[15:42] <TJ-> r3muxd: and all options fail in the same way?
[15:42] <r3muxd> i've tried "live", "live-nosplash-powerpc", "live video=ofonly", and "live-nosplash-powerpc video=ofonly"
[15:42] <r3muxd> both on cd and usb
[15:42] <r3muxd> yes
[15:43] <TJ-> I have to agree with Rovanion, first you should confirm the image in the USB/CD matches the checksum of the ISO file. It's a pain, but well worth it, if only to give you confidence
[15:43] <r3muxd> i'm using imgburn to create an iso of the cd
[15:43] <r3muxd> right now
[15:46] <TJ-> r3muxd: this is how I check a written image (on USB) which has to only read the number of bytes in the ISO: "DEV=sdX; ISO=live.iso; dd if=/dev/$DEV bs=$(stat -c %s $ISO) count=1 | md5sum -"
[15:47] <r3muxd> length of iso and cd match up
[15:47] <TuxD> Hello. I am trying to connect a headset on Ubuntu. I can't seem to get the microphone to work together with the headphones. Does anyone know how can I solve this?
[15:48] <TJ-> TuxD: what kind of headset?
[15:48] <TuxD> lifechat lx 3000
[15:49] <r3muxd> md5sums match as well
[15:49] <TuxD> I don't recall if it is 2000 or 3000, but that is the brand.
[15:49] <TJ-> TuxD: USB? Bluetooth? analogue 3.5mm audio ?
[15:49] <TuxD> 3.5mm jack
[15:50] <alkisg> r3muxd: I don't know yaboot. But, if you can edit the options, can you put "break=mount" in it, so that you get an initramfs shell, from where you could see if you can see the usb stick/cd?
[15:50] <alkisg> r3muxd: normally, I would press "e" on grub or "tab" on syslinux to add "break=mount" there
[15:50] <TuxD> I use this adapter: https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71OzToE0ojL._SY355_.jpg
[15:51] <TuxD> I have Realtek drivers on Windows 10. On Ubuntu I don't know...
[15:51] <TJ-> TuxD: does your PC have a 4-way audio socket then? One that has both stereo audio out and mono microphone in ?
[15:51] <TuxD> Yes
[15:52] <Rovanion> Does anyone know why debootstrap xenial /mnt would leave me with a system in /mnt without apt?
[15:52] <r3muxd> I added break=mount.
[15:52] <r3muxd> Same error as before, but now the unknown block error message is 1,0 instead of 2,0.
[15:53] <r3muxd> Also, it says "initrd.img (something i can't remember) -28 != (some large number)
[15:53] <TJ-> TuxD: Does the pulseaudio sound settings 'input' tab show multiple input sources? if so have you tried them all? Also, have you selected the correct profile for analogue stereo out + analogue input ?
[15:53] <TJ-> r3muxd: oooo, that's an interesting one
[15:54] <r3muxd> yeah
[15:54] <alkisg> r3muxd: so, with break=mount, you *didn't* get an initramfs> shell?
[15:54] <r3muxd> md5sums matches
[15:54] <r3muxd> nope
[15:54] <r3muxd> maybe it's just a yaboot thing
[15:54] <alkisg> That sounds like a broken loader then
[15:54] <TJ-> r3muxd: that sounds like yaboot might be telling you the initrd.img (initial ramdisk) is the wrong size (on-media vs in-memory) - this is a guess though
[15:54] <alkisg> Not inability to locate the stick/cd
[15:54] <r3muxd> a length of -28?
[15:54] <r3muxd> i have the error now
[15:55] <TJ-> r3muxd: i'd think that's a return value (we often make errors negative)
[15:55] <TuxD> TJ-, I have "Analog Stereo Duplex" on the profile. The 'input' tab shows "Internal microphone" and "Microphone". If I select "Microphone" I lose the sound.
[15:55] <alkisg> r3muxd: btw, do you have a way to upload a screenshot, e.g. from a phone?
[15:55] <alkisg> !screenshot
[15:56] <r3muxd> nope
[15:56] <alkisg> OK, that would help...
[15:57] <r3muxd> initrd.image: Incomplete write (-28 != 23042771)
[15:57] <alkisg> Try googling the exact error
[15:57] <r3muxd> \/initrd.image: Incomplete write (-28 != 23042771)
[15:57] <TJ-> r3muxd: how much RAM does the iMac have?
[15:58] <r3muxd> checking now
[15:59] <TJ-> r3muxd: something like this maybe?
[15:59] <TJ-> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[15:59] <TJ-> RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 8388608
[15:59] <TJ-> RAMDISK: ran out of compressed data
[15:59] <r3muxd> yes
[15:59] <r3muxd> but only the second error there
[15:59] <r3muxd> and replace RAMDISK with /initrd.image
[15:59] <r3muxd> 256 MB of ram
[15:59] <r3muxd> don't tell me
[15:59] <alkisg> Heh :)
[15:59] <r3muxd> i have to use the alternate image
[16:00] <alkisg> On i386, 150 MB are needed to uncompress the image, maybe yaboot is different; but 256 is too little to be something useful anyway...
[16:00] <TJ-> r3muxd: Yes, you do. The article I'm reading from 2009 says it worked once they upgraded the RAM
[16:00] <r3muxd> well
[16:00] <r3muxd> minor issue
[16:01] <r3muxd> i'm trying to boot the lubuntu livecd to use gparted
[16:01] <alkisg> Use an older version...
[16:01] <TJ-> r3muxd: might be easier and quicker to physically move the disk to a decent PC for that, then move it back :)
[16:02] <r3muxd> and the hard drive is not accessible without dismantling the machine
[16:02] <r3muxd> and i'm running osx 10.4 which won't resize partitions
[16:02] <r3muxd> and i have no rescue cd for mac os
[16:02] <TJ-> r3muxd: that's how I did a similar ppc imac install :) used the qemu ppc virtual machine to run the installer
[16:05] <r3muxd> is there any way for me to resize a hfs+ partition with 256 mb of ram
[16:06] <ikonia> I wouldn't trust HFS on linux to resize a file system
[16:06] <ikonia> I'd suggest you do it with a mac
[16:06] <ikonia> but thats just my personal opinion
[16:06] <TJ-> r3muxd: can the imac do a network boot?
[16:08] <lennykitty> Hi, I'm on linux and adb recogonizes my device but fastboot does not.
[16:08] <r3muxd> no ethernet
[16:08] <lennykitty> correct
[16:09] <ikonia> fastboot is a bios otion isn't it ?
[16:09] <ikonia> what's adb ?
[16:10] <TJ-> android debug bridge
[16:10] <ikonia> so where does ubuntu come into this ?
[16:11] <ikonia> am I missing context ?
[16:11] <TJ-> lennykitty: usually it's an issue with the USB idea the device is reporting, and the fastboot/udev rules
[16:11] <Rovanion> lennykitty: You're probably better off asking in #android.
[16:11] <TJ-> ikonia: the tools are Linux or accessing the Android device over USB
[16:11] <lennykitty> waiting for a answer there yah
[16:11] <ikonia> TJ-: fastboot ? isn't that a bios option
[16:12] <TJ-> lennykitty: which release of ubuntu are you using?
[16:12] <ikonia> or is that an android thing as well
[16:12] <Rovanion> lennykitty: But make sure you are part of the user groups, and have logged in and out once, that are needed to do device development.
[16:12] <TJ-> ikonia: no, it's a tool for Android to access the device before the OS loads; allows writing new firmware to the device
[16:12] <Rovanion> lennykitty: Make sure you are part of the group plugdev.
[16:12] <ikonia> TJ-: only ever seen the bios option, never as an "app"
[16:13] <lennykitty> Rovanion: how can I add a user to that group
[16:13] <TJ-> ikonia: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_software_development#Fastboot
[16:13] <ikonia> TJ-: thanks
[16:48] <mridu__> Hi folks. I am new to this group at have a query regarding the use of crontab
[16:48] <mridu__> I have checked askubuntu forum but I am still unable to get through
[16:49] <ikonia> what's the question
[16:51] <mridu__> I have a Python script that takes the environment variables. And after that sends a email notification to my gmail.
[16:51] <mridu__> I want this script to run daily
[16:52] <ikonia> ok?
[16:52] <malwar3hun73r> any ntop/nprobe users here?
[16:52] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: on occasion,
[16:52] <mridu__> environment variables that it takes include api key, mailto, mail account
[16:53] <ikonia> mridu__: ok
[16:53] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, i'm trying to run it locally receiving flow from my router
[16:53] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, i'm running nprobe and ntopng... nprobe receives from router and sends locally to ntopng
[16:54] <mridu__> so on bash I tried doing crontab -e and in single line wrote 00 23 * * * export mailto = "mymailid", export api_key=" "  and in the end /path/to/my/script
[16:55] <ikonia> mridu__: don't do that way
[16:55] <ikonia> mridu__: write a script and call the script from cron
[16:55] <Mathisen> use systemd Timers instead of cron
[16:55] <ikonia> you'll find it a lot lot easier
[16:55] <mridu__> thanks. how that needs to be done
[16:57] <mridu__> I tried copying my script to /etc/cron.daily but that didn't work either
[16:57] <ikonia> mridu__: do you need it executing at a specific time or any time once a day
[16:57] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, many of the ntop visualizations appear to not be working - i'm trying to determine if bug in ntop or common with my setup... i.e., i'm not getting "live" flows, rather i'm getting them from my router as it sends them
[16:58] <mridu__> either ways it's okay. I just want it to work daily. Daily 5:00 am would be good enough if possible.
[16:58] <ikonia> mridu__: then just put the script somehwere safe and set the cron to call it every day at 5 am
[16:58] <ikonia> it's one line in the crontab
[16:59] <mridu__> @ikonia how?
[16:59] <ikonia> mridu__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron the overview section is useful
[17:00] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, for example "Recently Active Flows" is always empty (even though i know i'm getting flows) and the tracker at the bottom shows "0 bps [0pps]" - when, again,  i am getting data and most other things work
[17:00] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I'm only half following (sorry) how do you know you're getting the flows ?
[17:00] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, is this just an artifact of the bursts of flow data i get from nprobe from my router rather than sniffing an interface
[17:01] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, because tcpdump shows them arriving and many other dashboards within ntop seem to function correctly
[17:01] <malwar3hun73r> i.e., i can see total bandwidth used per host
[17:01] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: so from memory you can run ntop in debug mode to see it analyise the flows, I've not got the app to hand to check the syntax
[17:02] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: is it possible it's getting them but not configured/getting the right format to actually process them
[17:02] <mridu__> ikonia: hmm... I was doing that only. But it didn't seem to work. I could not get how to export env variables. Do I need to create a bash script
[17:02] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I had ntop using pcap and it was presenting data in the wrong format until I changed the syntax and ntop came to life
[17:02] <ikonia> mridu__: yes, as I said create a script then call the script
[17:02] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, maybe that's the issue - is that a setting through the webui or in cli when launching?
[17:04] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I had it as command arguments, but I believe (I'm working from memory - sorry) you can also built it into a config file
[17:04] <mridu__> ok. I am new to writing bash script. Can you please tell me what all things should the bash script include?
[17:04] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, ntop documentation sucks - on their own website most of the articles are from 2010 and seem to no longer apply
[17:04] <ikonia> mridu__: same way you do it on the command line, a script is just a squence of commands
[17:04] <ikonia> mridu__: eg: var = something
[17:04] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, i say that so as to not have you think i'm asking something i could just google - i have been looking/researching
[17:05] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I don't doubt it, I remember having to work to get the info on it,
[17:05] <mridu__> so export MAILTO = "myemail id"
[17:05] <ikonia> mridu__: that works
[17:06] <mridu__> will try out and ping again. Thanks a lot for help :)
[17:09] <ikonia> mridu__: if you have problems or get stuck, just ask
[17:11] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, i'm using softflow to send the netflow could that be an issue?
[17:11] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I don't know softflow, but if I assume it works the same as lib pcap - you may have the same problem as me
[17:13] <mridu__> I created a script that has all the needed env variables. And have saved it in the same folder where I have my python script
[17:13] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, well, i'll be around, if you happen to remember it, please ping me
[17:13] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I will, I don't have access to the machines that have it configured, sorry
[17:16] <skinux> Can anyone explain why at times, I get DNS failure errors for a while, that later go away? Sometimes it required restarting, sometimes not.
[17:16] <skinux> This is the only machine in the network that has the issue. I also tested that while rebooting wasn't working for Ubuntu, Windows had no trouble.
[17:20] <mridu__> ikonia: now in crontab -e should I write 00 23 * * * usr/bin/sh  home/mridu/challenges/16/getenv.sh home/mridu/challenges/16/build_vocabulary.py
[17:22] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, it seems like when i get a packet of netflow from the router, the charts that are not working (which seem to be more of the real-timey stuff) work for a bit and then stop
[17:23] <malwar3hun73r> this definitely (i think) has something to do with the data not being live and rather being sent from an external source
[17:24] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: you don't need /usr/bin/sh
[17:24] <malwar3hun73r> ?
[17:24] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: you put the she bang in the script
[17:24] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: interesting
[17:24] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: sorry, that wasn't for you
[17:24] <exinta> hi, can a symlink somehow show the thumbnail as original file does?
[17:24] <malwar3hun73r> not me...
[17:24] <exinta> in thunar
[17:24] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: the intereting comment was for you
[17:24] <ikonia> mridu__: you don't need the /usr/bin/bash in the crontb, you put the shebang in the script
[17:26] <mridu__> is shebang this '#!/bin/bash'?
[17:27] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, was it possibly related to the configuration of timeouts (lifetime and idle)
[17:31] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, actually none of the "flow" related stuff seems to be working
[17:32] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, i am able to view traffic stats (bandwidth,etc), but if i click on any charge that says "flow" it just doesn't work
[17:32] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, not hounding you... just hoping maybe i jog your memory
[17:35] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I'm pondering
[17:35] <ikonia> mridu__: yes
[17:37] <exinta> why cannot foxit reader open symlinks?
[17:38] <exinta> it says file not found
[17:38] <alkisg> What is the output of ls -l /path/to/symlink?
[17:38] <realm174> Hi All. Win10 / Ubuntu 17.10 dual boot. I need to downgrade Ubuntu to 16.04. I don't care about any data/apps installed on linux partition. What's the best approach?
[17:38] <ikonia> realm174: re-install is the only approach
[17:38] <alkisg> realm174: you can't downgrade, so reinstall. typing too slow :D
[17:39] <mridu__> It isn't working still
[17:39] <mridu__> my crontab -e has 07 23 * * * home/mridu/challenges/16/getenv.sh home/mridu/challenges/16/build_vocabulary.py
[17:39] <realm174> Thanks guys. Will that mess up grub?
[17:39] <ikonia> mridu__: define "it isn't working
[17:39] <ikonia> mridu__: no
[17:39] <alkisg> realm174: no
[17:39] <realm174> great, thanks!
[17:39] <ikonia> mridu__: I told you - write a script that does the whole thing
[17:39] <alkisg> mridu__: did you forget the / before home?
[17:39] <ikonia> mridu__: you're calling two scripts that don't know anything about each other
[17:40] <mridu__> getenv.sh is the script
[17:40] <mridu__> oh no
[17:40] <ikonia> mridu__: then when why do you have a python script after it ?
[17:40] <mridu__> alkisg: yes
[17:40] <mridu__> that is the python file I have to run. Which will send an email
[17:41] <ikonia> mridu__: so write a script that sets the envs and calls the python script
[17:41] <ikonia> so you just call "do-it-all.sh"
[17:42] <mridu__> ikonia: ok
[17:42] <mridu__> so, /path/to/python/file needs to be added in the do-it-all.sh script
[17:42] <ikonia> mridu__: yes
[17:43] <mridu__> along with vairables I am exporting
[17:43] <ikonia> mridu__: pastebin your script
[17:45] <mridu__> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/z9Hh9riu
[17:46] <ikonia> mridu__: no, pastebin the full contents of the fule
[17:46] <ikonia> fule
[17:46] <ikonia> file
[17:47] <mridu__> python file or the bash one I created?
[17:47] <ikonia> the shell script that sets the environment variables and calls the python script
[17:52] <mridu__> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/6hdKZ13a
[18:01] <axisys> how do I find out how long my system is up since restored from suspend?
[18:02] <TJ-> axisys: I think you'd have to parse the kernel log messages
[18:02] <EriC^> axisys: try "grep Awake /var/log/pm-suspend.log"
[18:02] <axisys> EriC^: there is no pm-suspend.log file in xenial
[18:03] <axisys> TJ-: can you suggest a string to grep? huge log file
[18:04] <axisys> mostly filled with apparmor messages
[18:04] <mridu__> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/gazqTERb this is the bash script
[18:04] <TJ-> axisys: I've not suspended this one recently so not sure, but "resumed from suspend" should be close
[18:05] <axisys> grep -i suspend kern.log found nothing
[18:09] <axisys> got it.. need to query through compressed ones too
[18:09] <axisys> zgrep -i suspend /var/log/kern.log*
[18:09] <EriC^^> axisys: try dmesg -T | grep suspend
[18:10] <axisys> EriC^^: nawp.. guess mine rotates fast
[18:12] <axisys> grep PM: /var/log/kern.log.1 has the latest..
[18:12] <axisys> thanks all!
[18:14] <axisys> ah.. looks like syslog.2.gz has the latest wakeup also
[18:15] <ikonia> mridu__: that paste doesn't exist
[18:16] <mridu__> sorry just a minute sending it again
[18:18] <mridu__> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/qQR4DhJb
[18:19] <ikonia> mridu__: I don't think you're paying attention
[18:19] <ikonia> mridu__: where is the shebang at the start ?
[18:19] <ikonia> I also see the home directory as "challenges" and I feel this is a homework type of question ?
[18:20] <mridu__> a open source repository named challenges. That I cloned from github
[18:20] <ChunkzZ> is there a channel for ubuntu arm?
[18:20] <ikonia> ChunkzZ: #ubuntu-arm
[18:20] <ikonia> mridu__: what's the github URL ?
[18:20] <ChunkzZ> thanks ikonia :)
[18:21] <mridu__> ikonia: https://github.com/pybites/challenges/pull/172 my python script. Repo url https://github.com/pybites/challenges.git
[18:22] <ikonia> mridu__: lets see what you're trying to do here
[18:22] <mridu__> hmm
[18:22] <ikonia> mridu__: you're on 16 right ?
[18:22] <mridu__> yes
[18:23] <mridu__> I have shebang in my script it's just that I missed out copying and pasting it. And copied just the exports
[18:23] <ikonia> mridu__: so I've told you 3 times now copy the EXACT full script
[18:24] <ikonia> mridu__: it's frustrating to try to help someone who only gives you bits of the information, more so when asked multiple times to give the full information
[18:25] <mridu__> I am sorry about that. https://pastebin.com/dDBuVYTW
[18:26] <ikonia> mridu__: so is that the EXACT full shell script ?
[18:26] <mridu__> yes
[18:26] <ikonia> mridu__: what is the name of the shell script ?
[18:26] <mridu__> getenv.sh
[18:26] <ikonia> mridu__: what happens if you do ./getenv.sh
[18:27] <mridu__> shell script would get executed
[18:27] <ikonia> mridu__: what happens if you execute it using ./getenv.sh
[18:27] <ikonia> does it work ?
[18:27] <mridu__> no. permission denied
[18:28] <ikonia> mridu__: ok - so you need to fix that first,
[18:28] <ikonia> mridu__: is it your username that owns the script ?
[18:28] <ioria> mridu__, build_vocabulary.py is executable or has it the py shebang ?
[18:28] <mridu__> have not added the py shebang.
[18:29] <mridu__> to build_vocabulary.py
[18:29] <ioria> mridu__, ls -l /home/mridu/challenges/16/build_vocabulary.py   and cat it
[18:30] <mridu__> cat ls -l /home/mridu/challenges/16/build_vocabulary.py i did and -l is coming as invalid argument
[18:30] <ioria> mridu__, omg
[18:31] <ioria> mridu__, ls -l /home/mridu/challenges/16/build_vocabulary.py
[18:32] <mridu__> output on doing what you said -> -rwxrwxr-x 1 mridu mridu 3003 Dec 24 23:59 /home/mridu/challenges/16/build_vocabulary.py
[18:32] <ioria> mridu__, ok, looks like executable ... please, paste the py script
[18:33] <mridu__> https://pastebin.com/fnQ9E26N
[18:34] <ioria> mridu__, ok, no shebang, you can't call it from a shell script... add #!/usr/bin/python at top
[18:34] <EriC^^> mridu__: try ls -l ./getenv.sh , if it's not +x then chmod +x ./getenv.sh and try ./getenv.sh again
[18:36] <mridu__> ioria: https://pastebin.com/gAN8Eu7k now is it ok?
[18:37] <ioria> mridu__, it requires 3 ?
[18:37] <mridu__> yes
[18:37] <mridu__> it's using python3.6 default on ubuntu 16.04 is 2.7
[18:37] <ioria> mridu__, oky, try again
[18:37] <mridu__> sorry, I didn't get it. What I have to try again?
[18:38] <ioria> mridu__, to run it ?
[18:38] <mridu__> ok
[18:38] <ioria> mridu__, ikonia asked you to run frm cli and did you get permission denied ...
[18:39] <mridu__> doing
[18:39] <EriC^^> mridu__: try "chmod +x getenv.sh && ./getenv.sh"
[18:39] <ioria> oh, i expected that the bash script is executable... right ?
[18:52] <mridu__> Sorry, something got screwed up
[18:53] <mridu__> had to re-join. Eric I did what you said for executing the bash script. It got executed and has errors
[18:54] <mridu__> but I got a plus cursor. Because of which I wasn't able to do anything. I killed all processes and did a restart
[19:08] <HomelessSanta> Hello all, I was curious if anyone knew where the "Software Updater" file is located. I wanted to create a bash script and have it launched within the script.
[19:11] <TJ-> HomelessSanta: for scripts, 'apt-get' is the usual tool
[19:12] <HomelessSanta> TJ-, I think I found it it seemed to be under the name 'update-manager' for the GUI software updater file.
[19:13] <HomelessSanta> TJ-, Thanks for the suggestion as well. :)
[19:19] <HomelessSanta> I am off, have a Merry Christmas all. :P
[19:20] <Ubiquity4321> Afternoon all. What repo is nfs-kernal-server and nfs-client on?
[19:20] <Ubiquity4321> can't seem to find it
[19:21] <ioria> !info nfs-kernal-server
[19:21] <ioria> !info nfs-kernel-server
[19:22] <alkisg> The client is called "nfs-common"
[19:23] <Ubiquity4321> ty
[19:29] <ubone> laptop with lubuntu 1710 cant wakes up instantly from suspend since recently, it worked fine before with TLP, won't stay in sleep with or without acpi pkg, what could have changed?
[19:30] <arooni> how do i route *all* deluge traffic on ubuntu through my vpn (and only my vpn)?
[19:44] <howyoubeen> does the old Return to Castle Wolfenstein game run natively or do I need something like WINE for that?
[19:47] <ikonia> howyoubeen: I don't think there was a linux port of it, I could be wrong as a few of those games where ported
[19:47] <ikonia> unreal is the only one I can think of off the top of my head
[19:48] <howyoubeen> ok, I'll look into it. I have a huuuge back catalogue of games to play around with on limited hardware. Getting the itch to check them out
[19:49] <ikonia> howyoubeen: those sort of games probably easier to run in dosbox or something like that
[19:49] <howyoubeen> probably, same with diablo 2 I'm thinking
[19:49] <howyoubeen> I haven't sat down with a game with any real intent since the Quake 3 arena days
[19:50] <ubone> any idea how to fix systemctl suspend?
[19:50] <ikonia> "fix" systemctl suspend ?
[19:50] <ikonia> what does that mean
[19:50] <howyoubeen> ubone, what's the issue?
[19:50] <ikonia> systemcl is a kernel param command
[19:51] <ikonia> sorry systemc
[19:51] <ikonia> d
[19:51] <ubone> wont stay suspended, wakes up/powers on instantly
[19:52] <ikonia> so you're typing what exactly to suspend ?
[19:52] <ubone> i use logind so the power buttons, idont type anything but the same as systemd suspend
[19:53] <ubone> systemctl suspend i meant
[19:54] <kk4ewt> ubone so look at powertop and see what is the possible issue is
[19:54] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Hello, i got Ubuntu 17.10 installed on my computer and i'd to know if the updates are still go on.
[19:54] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Or got interrupted due the the issues found in some leonov and acer hardaware.
[19:55] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Should i go temporarily to Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS?
[19:58] <howyoubeen> should is a bit subjective maybe. If you're not having any issues I would suspect you're fine with 17.10
[19:59] <howyoubeen> I'm running 16.04 on my workstation also with no issues so...meh..do what you like, I guess?
[19:59] <howyoubeen> But again, just my opinion
[20:00] <akik> th3_g3ntl3m3n: the problem was only with the kernel package's spi functionality
[20:04] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> My doubt is if they will still launch security updates for this version and didn't delay that to primarily assist the kernel issue.
[20:06] <akik> why would they stop releasing updates to packages that have nothing to do with the uefi problem?
[20:06] <Cyris> Hey all, I am trying to decide on a practical/practice ubuntu vm to run in my machine... what would be your top 3 server types for beginners to create
[20:07] <Cyris> I am not a complete novice, I just dont have any idea on a usefull one right now
[20:08] <akik> Cyris: virtualbox is pretty easy to go with
[20:08] <akik> Cyris: if you want to use containers, use lxd
[20:09] <Cyris> @akik oh yeah i didn't specify, I have virtual box i just want an opinion on what services I should have it running so I can actually make use of it and toy with it in my house
[20:09] <ubone> thing is suspend worked fine since install a month ago - it only needed tlp, i think auto update is enabled or at least for critical updates but idk how to check
[20:11] <Cyris> I need to rule out file server unless there is a practial way of having my physical HDD's talk with the VM without making a virtual drive... I have a ton of files on them and not enough room for a Virtual drive to store them on the HDD
[20:11] <akik> Cyris: you can create a file that references your physical drive
[20:12] <akik> Cyris: i think it's just a 1 KiB file that tells virtualbox about your physical drive
[20:12] <Cyris> yeah? do you have a reference or guide to this service online?
[20:13] <akik> Cyris: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html "9.9.1. Using a raw host hard disk from a guest"
[20:14] <Cyris> awesome, thank you!
[20:20] <ubone> when is lubuntu 18.04.1 scheduled to release
[20:21] <kk4ewt> 20180401
[20:22] <ubone> nope
[20:24] <oerheks> 3 months after release, as it is LTS
[20:24] <oerheks> 16.04.1 came out jul 25
[20:25] <auronandace> ubone: the first 2 sections of the version number is based on the date (18.04 = 2018, 4th month)
[20:25] <ubone> is there a log of apt's auto update i could check
[20:25] <ubone> yes thank you auronandace i was aware of that
[20:25] <oerheks> i think he wants the point release as the main bulb goes into upgrade
[20:25] <ubone> yes
[20:26] <oerheks> there is no date on the official schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule (yet)
[20:28] <ubone> anyone familiar with the free radeon driver or opengl? is there something that should be installed additionally
[20:28] <alkisg> ...similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule :)
[20:31] <oerheks> sync your mirror in 3 weeks, and start testing
[20:38] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Can i umount the root directory? it has some risk?
[20:39] <ikonia> you can't
[20:59] <malwar3hun73r> could anyone recommend a netflow visualization package, something free and similar (but better than) ntopng
[21:00] <ikonia> still struggling
[21:01] <malwar3hun73r> yeah, it mostly works, but somethings just aren't quite right
[21:01] <malwar3hun73r> wasn't wanting to try another package to see if it was ntop or the data i'm feeding it
[21:01] <malwar3hun73r> what's a good image sharing site?
[21:01] <malwar3hun73r> i could share a screenshot if you're interested
[21:02] <akik> malwar3hun73r: imgur.com
[21:04] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, https://imgur.com/a/abV7k
[21:04] <ikonia> I see
[21:04] <malwar3hun73r> that's supposed to show a list of flows. Note the progress bar that stays in that position idefinitely and the images in bottom middle which show 0 bps
[21:05] <malwar3hun73r> but if you look bottom right, you can see 13 local hosts and 37 remote
[21:05] <malwar3hun73r> if i click on either one of those
[21:05] <mokos> Hello - is there some software that is something like a 3D model gallery ?
[21:06] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, clicking on the 13 local hosts shows this - https://imgur.com/a/bDNjg
[21:07] <malwar3hun73r> so there is some data there, just doesn't seem like all the features are working as expected
[21:07] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I'm just pondering if there is anything (I"m shooting blind here) about remote hosts not being able to write/write quick enough the temp files for the stream
[21:08] <malwar3hun73r> clicking remote hosts works as well
[21:08] <malwar3hun73r> err - remote=not private IPs
[21:11] <mokos> Any 3D model gallery ?
[21:50] <tsarompy> hi
[21:50] <tsarompy> anyone having any weird pulseaudio issues on artful?
[22:45] <blip99> hi all, I'm a bit confused about this link, is it the source code of redshift?  is it an official ubuntu repo or a PPA?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift    how come the official repos have version 1.10 but source code of 1.11?
[22:47] <brainwash> blip99: looks like the official ubuntu repository
[22:48] <brainwash> your last question is pretty confusing
[22:48] <brainwash> the linked page lists the package versions for all supported ubuntu versions
[22:50] <brainwash> blip99: you can obtain the source code from https://github.com/jonls/redshift
[22:51] <blip99> brainwash, im on 16.4 and i only see redshift 1.10 in the repos. the link shows 1.11 packages
[22:51] <blip99> brainwash, i thought the link is just to the source code package - not the compiled program
[22:52] <blip99> that's correct, right?
[22:53] <brainwash> the compiled program + packaging
[22:54] <brainwash> the link clearly shows that 1.11 is available in zesty and newer
[22:54] <brainwash> 16.04 is xenial
[22:55] <blip99> brainwash, aah. i misread the page.  got it.  thanks!
[22:55] <brainwash> the next LTS release (18.04) will have 1.11
[22:55] <blip99> apparently I'm not as zesty as i thought :D
[23:33] <Baltazar> Hiya, moron question here. I download a .deb file --> I install it wirh dpkg -i PACKAGE NAME --> where is it now? It doesn't show up in the installed softwares. How do I know where it is? Run it from terminal...?
[23:38] <akik> Baltazar: you'll find it with "dpkg -l name"
[23:38] <akik> Baltazar: or: dpkg -l | grep -i name
[23:40] <Baltazar> ahh thanks, got a list, but not the location
[23:41] <akik> Baltazar: you'll get the package contents with: dpkg -L name
[23:43] <DrGrov> Hello, is it a safe bet to download 17.10? Not sure if it can cause issues on BIOS. Tested Ubuntu Budgie 17.10 but could not write the boot partition.
[23:43] <DrGrov> Is it the same issue on Ubuntu 17.10? Any ideas on how to sort the boot partition issue out?
[23:45] <Bashing-om> DrGrov: Install the propsed kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147 .
[23:46] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: Ok, that seems a bit funky....
[23:47] <Bashing-om> DrGrov: Agreed. but the fix is in the latest kernel . Still awaiting the respin of the .iso .
[23:47] <Baltazar> Ok it works
[23:47] <Baltazar> BUT... when i type cd FOLDERNAME
[23:47] <Baltazar> it says it doesn't exists...
[23:47] <Baltazar> and the folder is listed..
[23:47] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: Not running any Lenovo though
[23:48] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: But can I safely get back on 16.04 then while waiting for 17.10?
[23:48] <akik> Baltazar: you can verify a package's contents with: dpkg -V name
[23:49] <Baltazar> akik: thanks :D got it. damn it's fun to figure shit out
[23:49] <Baltazar> works perfectly
[23:49] <akik> Baltazar: good :)
[23:49] <Baltazar> (it was not a folder but an exe file ./NAME did the trick)
[23:50] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: But when not on a Lenovo machine, can I still somehow fix the boot partition manually?
[23:50] <Baltazar> I wish I had been less of a slackjob 10 years ago... linux is amazing
[23:52] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: Can the BIOS still be recovered when changing to a different Ubuntu?
[23:52] <DrGrov> Or is it corrupted completely already?
[23:53] <akik> DrGrov: can you still change uefi settings? can you still boot off a usb stick?
[23:53] <Bashing-om> DrGrov: I do not have the comfort level to advise further about 17.10 - But given that bios is not effected in your hardware. one can always re-install grub .
[23:54] <Bashing-om> DrGrov: "< TJ->: do "grep SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM /boot/config*" - if there are no results you're safe" .
[23:55] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: The problem is that I can not get anywhere after install on that Ubuntu Budgie 17.10 flavor...
[23:56] <DrGrov> Bashing-om: So a bit suspect to test it, now not having anything to run on at all. Just the Budgie 17.10 live setup


[00:12] <diddledan> eh? cannot update snap namespace: cannot write to "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/alsa-lib" because it would affect the host in "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu"
[00:12] <diddledan> the whole point of using a layout is to not affect the host, damn you snapd
[00:19] <diddledan> thiras: mount it and look in $mountpoint/meta/snap.yaml
[00:32] <thiras> diddledan, i've found --jailmode
[07:57] <mup> PR snapd#5712 closed: overlord: make InstallMany work like UpdateMany, issuing a single request to get candidates <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5712>
[08:03] <mup> PR snapd#6308 closed: release: 2.36.3 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6308>
[08:03] <mup> PR snapd#6310 closed: interfaces: return security setup errors <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6310>
[08:16] <zyga> diddledan: hey
[08:16] <zyga> diddledan: can you show me your layout definition?
[08:16] <zyga> diddledan: the error looks fishy
[10:32] <diddledan> zyga: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eNRyBgLX/
[10:33] <diddledan> installation from a clean slate works fine. as does a second installation (x2). it only fails on the third time (x3)
[10:45] <diddledan> zyga: running /usr/lib/snapd/snap-discard-ns allows the third try to succeed, but obviously that's less than desirable
[13:00] <zyga> diddledan: thank you, looking
[13:02] <mup> PR snapd#6217 closed: tests: reset snapd state on tests restore <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6217>
[13:41] <mup> PR snapd#6071 closed: ifacestate/hotplug: updateDevice helper <Hotplug 🔌> <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6071>
[14:09] <mup> PR snapd#6114 closed: overlord/ifacestate: handler for hotplug-disconnect task <Hotplug 🔌> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6114>
[15:29] <zyga> diddledan: please report a bug on snapd. I will attack this on Monday. Do include snap version and the pastebin please


[02:32] <jono> hey
[02:32] <jono> anyone about?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> do meetings on fridge trump meetings not annouced on fridge for #ubuntu-meeting?