[13:37] <CIA-5> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1010 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.28-4 kernels.
[13:40] <CIA-5> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1011 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu6
[17:07] <CIA-5> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1012 ubuntu/ (12 files in 8 dirs):
[17:07] <CIA-5> debian-installer: Make acpi-modules and ipv6-modules optional, since they're now built in
[17:07] <CIA-5> debian-installer: on mainline architectures.
[17:10] <CIA-5> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1013 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu7


[09:36] <vlt> Hello. The universe is less than 1025 years old, according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto.  There’s a problem in https://help.ubuntu.com/moin_static193/light/css/reset.css where in line 3 the element “sup” is set to “vertical-align: baseline;” and “font-size: 100%;” which presents 1025 as 1025.  Where to file a bug?
[17:52] <daker> jose: i am having issues with LP account
[17:52] <daker> 2F issue so i can't connect to my account
[17:59] <jose> daker: have you emailed IS?
[18:05] <daker> jose: i didn't have time to do it
[18:06] <jose> no worries


[10:39] <chu> @login
[10:42] <chu> Just read his record in the btracker
[10:42] <chu> Seems like he enjoys arguing ikonia good luck
[10:42] <ikonia> chu: there will be no arguement, he's been asked nicely and said he knows the guidelines, so that's great
[16:47] <genii> Tm_T: You beat me to it by about 2 seconds :)
[16:47] <Tm_T> I was watching it for couple minutes already, thinking should I try something else first
[17:00] <hggdh> Tm_T: known idiot
[17:00] <Tm_T> I am not
[17:00] <hggdh> :-)
[17:00] <hggdh> not you, dear sir, not you
[17:01] <hggdh> and I do apologise
[17:02] <hggdh> (if it looked I was refering to you). Darn, but I am way too vague today
[17:07] <genii> heh


[00:00] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: yeah, i'd look for something smaller i think
[00:01] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: would you be around in like 5 mins. until i find something else?
[00:01] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: i'll have lunch soon, but i'm around for another 4 hours or so
[00:01] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: you could try looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.tag=trivial
[00:02]  * mwhudson has lunch now, in fact
[00:10] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: when you get back, look at this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/294048 it doesn't seem too bad
[00:10] <mup> Bug #294048: Branch name ambiguous in revision feed for a person <feeds> <trivial> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/294048>
[00:20] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: yeah, that looks more suitable
[00:22] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: and I found another one that is a typo :)
[00:22] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: even better :-)
[00:24] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: one question, its a little unrealted, I develop kernel drivers for open-solaris, and we use something called open-grok which is a pretty amazing source-code browser, it can locate almost every instance of a word,struct,function and other stuff easily, I want to use that to index launchpad code, when I do that, is it possible to deploy that to a website, opengrok needs tomcat so what do you think about that
[00:25] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: it sounds interesting, but i don't think we have tomcat anywhere so i don't think it could be on our servers
[00:26] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: in finding typos like that one, I can just type in the word, and it will find the exact file that it is in, do you want to see a sample, I can set it up locally and you can see it :)
[00:26] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: i can do that on my machine with grep easily enough...
[00:27] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: ohh, I forgot about grep, thanks that saved my 10 mins. of configuration setup :)
[00:28] <mwhudson> 'bzr ls --versioned --recursive --null --kind file | xargs -0 egrep ... ' is handy, if a little wordy
[00:32] <wgrant> mwhudson: There is, and it works. But I got distracted when that revealed a whole lot of other isues in process-upload, which make it difficult to test.
[00:33] <mwhudson> wgrant: can you link it to the bug?
[00:37] <wgrant> mwhudson: Done.
[00:37] <mwhudson> wgrant: ta
[00:47] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: someone fixed that typo before me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/415170
[00:47] <mup> Bug #415170: Typo in AJAX milestone picker class <bug-page> <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad Bugs:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/415170>
[00:47] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: I closed it :)
[00:48] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: hah
[01:26] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: have a look at this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/410331 , there's a default name but only for the first time someone activated their ppa, does it make sense to have it there every single time
[01:26] <mup> Bug #410331: PPA: should default to sensible/good name (or give example) <ppa> <trivial> <ui> <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/410331>
[01:29] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: not really my area, but i don't see why not
[01:30] <wgrant> There is no default name at all any more.
[01:30] <wgrant> Note that the bug is about the *display* name.
[01:32] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: I looked in staging and ppa shows up in the default name field, but you are right :) no display name there
[01:34] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: this will have to be edited: http://pastebin.com/d42ab475d
[01:35] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: yeah
[01:36] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: it would be good for the default to update as the name is updated but that sounds fiddly...
[01:36] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: Curtis suggested that on the bug report, so I just put that there :)
[01:46] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: so what do you say, should I go ahead and make that edit, then put add a patch to that bug report, so you can review it and push it ?
[01:46] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: i might let someone from the soyuz team review it and you should put the change in a branch, not a patch
[01:46] <mwhudson> but otherwise yes :-)
[01:47] <thumper> mwhudson: you'll be happy to know that we are killing weekly chr
[01:47] <mwhudson> thumper: i heard this rumour
[01:47] <thumper> of a sort anyway
[01:47] <mwhudson> thumper: but i thought i should do it today at least
[01:47] <thumper> some things back to daily
[01:47] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah, not sure when the "new" - old way comes back
[01:54] <thumper> Ursinha: the getBranches update is being kicked off with ec2 land now
[01:57] <dhillon-v10> thumper: hi :) I remember you from the developer week
[01:57] <thumper> dhillon-v10: which developer week?  I did one ages ago
[01:58] <dhillon-v10> thumper: it was the one with launchpad api, you were only there for a few moments someone else actually did the session
[01:58] <thumper> ah
[02:01] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: for pushing a branch, do I have to download the entire edge branch again (I already did it to setup my developmental environment) or is there another way
[02:01] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: sorry for taking a lot of your time, once I get proficient at this, I won't bother you as much :)
[02:02] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: do you have a shared repository locally?
[02:04] <Ursinha> thumper: awesome! :)
[02:04] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: I don't think so
[02:04] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: did you run rocketfuel-setup ?
[02:05] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: yes
[02:06] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: ok, so you have a ~/canonical directory and a trunk directory in there?
[02:06] <mwhudson> what does 'bzr info' say in the ~/canonical directory?
[02:07] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: just a sec.
[02:09] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: this is what i get on the top-level directory: http://pastebin.com/m3f21dc01
[02:09] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: and yes I do have a local shared repo. :)
[02:09] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: then the usual practice is to "bzr branch trunk fix-bug-$BUG_NUMBER" in the repo
[02:10] <mwhudson> make your changes in the branch you just created
[02:10] <mwhudson> then commit, push lp:~<you>/launchpad/fix-bug-$BUG_NUMBER
[02:13] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: ok will do, right now updating my branch after that will follow the steps you listed above :)  thanks a lot for your help
[02:26] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: it says not a branch Not a branch: "/home/vikram/launchpad/lp-branches/devel/trunk/".
[02:26] <mwhudson> um
[02:26] <mwhudson> oh sorry
[02:27] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: cd /home/vikram/launchpad/lp-branches/; bzr branch devel <new-branch-name>
[02:27] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: yeah I already did that and it worked :)
[02:28] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: I figured if trunk doesn't exist then I can branch devel
[02:40] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: one bug down :) i pushed the branch, now do I request a merge or does it get reviewed first
[02:40] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: request a merge
[02:41] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: alright thanks again, that was my first change :)
[02:41] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: woo
[02:42] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: just curious, how many changes have you made, give me like 2 years and i'll catch up to you :)
[02:43] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: um, not sure, must be a few hundred
[02:43] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: wow that's a lot to catch up on, but I'll do it, just wait :)
[02:44] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: it's my full time job, that gives me a bit of an advantage!
[02:45] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: oh I forgot you work for canonical :P  i go to school which is a big pain
[02:46]  * thumper is moving on
[02:51] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: last question of the day :) is it okay if I push launchpad code to google code, it has a little function search feature that makes it easy to search for functions and so on
[02:51] <mwhudson> dhillon-v10: so long as it's marked as AGPLv3, sure
[02:52] <dhillon-v10> mwhudson: yeah, all my projects are with GPL :) alright so thanks a lot, and good night
[02:56] <wgrant> mwhudson, dhillon-v10: Google Code does permit AGPLv3, AFAIK.
[02:56] <wgrant> Er, "does not" permit.
[02:58] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: http://code.google.com/p/launchpad-ubuntu/
[02:58] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: that was changed a while ago :)
[02:59] <wgrant> Ubuntu?
[02:59] <wgrant> Why Ubuntu?
[03:00] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: it just sounds good, and also because ubuntu uses launchpad, something wrong with it??
[03:01] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't need any more publicity about it being linked to Ubuntu.
[03:01] <wgrant> :/
[03:01] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: okay, I'll change it, if google code allows me to :)
[03:19] <bjf> i'd like to know if I can use searchTasks to search only the last 6 months, or to at least order the search results by date
[03:20] <bjf> i've used order_by='-id' but can't figure out how do order_by date
[03:23] <mwhudson> bjf: what do you mean by 'date' ?
[03:23] <mwhudson> bjf: date created?
[03:23] <bjf> mwhudson, date_created
[03:23] <wgrant> -datecreated
[03:24] <bjf> wgrant, that worked, thanks!  where would I have found that out on my own?
[03:25] <bjf> wgrant, is there a way to limit the search to the last 6 months?
[03:25] <wgrant> bjf: I don't know how I knew it -- maybe from looking at query strings for normal bug searches.
[03:25] <wgrant> bjf: There is no way to do that.
[03:25] <bjf> wgrant, thanks
[03:31] <bjf> if I take the resulting collection from searchTasks and try to only look at the last 500 with taskSearch(order_by='-datecreated')[:500] I get an "file too long" error
[03:31] <bjf> https://pastebin.canonical.com/27522/
[03:32] <mwhudson> that's a launchpadlib bug
[03:33] <mwhudson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpadlib/+bug/512832, at least
[03:33] <mup> Bug #512832: launchpadlib caches based on full URL <launchpadlib :New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/512832>
[03:34] <bjf> mwhudson, ack
[03:51] <bjf> mwhudson, just ran int that bug again (for a slightly different reason) the only workaround I can think of is to use taskSearch without any parameters
[03:51] <mwhudson> bjf: i don't have any great ideas sadly
[03:52] <bjf> mwhudson, thanks, thought I'd at least ask
[03:52] <mwhudson> well, apart from fixing launchpadlib to cache in directories named after the SHA1 or something
[03:53] <bjf> mwhudson, is that bug on anyone's "soon to be fixed" list? :-)
[03:53] <mwhudson> bjf: i don't know
[03:54] <mwhudson> let me push up the priority at least
[05:16] <Ursinha> mwhudson: something crossed my mind now: all branches merged to devel/db-devel are necessarily in lp?
[05:16] <mwhudson> Ursinha: i guess theoretically not, but that seems very very unlikely
[05:16] <Ursinha> mwhudson: hm
[05:17] <Ursinha> mwhudson: same way, all branches merged to db-devel/devel need a merge proposal before being merged?
[05:17] <mwhudson> Ursinha: no
[05:18] <Ursinha> mwhudson: right
[05:18] <mwhudson> testfix branches don't always have merge props for example
[05:19] <Ursinha> mwhudson: but they are in lp?
[05:19] <mwhudson> Ursinha: yeah
[05:19] <mwhudson> the branch has to be somewhere internet accessible to merge
[05:20] <mwhudson> you *could* push to devpad i guess, but it's really not very likely
[05:21] <Ursinha> mwhudson: I see
[05:22] <Ursinha> mwhudson: well, I'll work with monitoring branches that are merged to devel/db-devel in lp
[05:22] <mwhudson> Ursinha: that should be fine
[05:22] <Ursinha> mwhudson: I hope so :)
[05:22] <Ursinha> mwhudson: thanks for the thoughts
[05:23] <mwhudson> Ursinha: np
[08:31] <adeuring> good morning
[08:37] <noodles775> Morning adeuring and all.
[08:37] <adeuring> Hi noodles775!
[08:54] <jml> good morning
[08:56] <jml> noodles775, I'm going to acquaint myself with the last week of discussion of buildbranchtoarchive
[08:57] <beuno> hey jml
[08:59] <noodles775> jml: great, thanks.
[09:04] <jml> beuno, hi
[09:04] <jml> beuno, I'm working from home today & for the rest of this week, fwiw
[09:05] <beuno> jml, I expected as much. It's too cold to do anything else  :)
[09:06] <mrevell> Hello friends
[09:06] <beuno> hey mrevell
[09:06] <mrevell> Hi there beuno, congrats on your new role
[09:07] <jml> beuno, also, despite the length in calendar days, I've really only just moved in. I need to be home to receive deliveries of bookshelves and the like
[09:07] <beuno> jml, sounds exciting
[09:07] <beuno> mrevell, thanks  :)
[09:08] <jml> beuno, yeah, I'm quivering with anticipation.
[09:10] <jml> how do I tell whether an import branch is bzr-svn or cscvs svn
[09:10] <wgrant> There's a tooltip somewhere.
[09:13] <jml> somewhere.
[09:14] <wgrant> In "This branch is an import of the Subversion branch [...]", "Subversion" has a tooltip.
[09:16] <jml> subtle
[09:16] <jml> wgrant, thanks for the "tip" (get it!?!?!)
[09:16] <wgrant> Rather.
[09:16] <wgrant> Ha ha ha.
[09:47] <beuno> jml, how can I find a list of all MPs with the
[09:47] <beuno> "ui" review tag in them?
[09:51] <jml> beuno, there's no UI for that.
[09:51] <jml> beuno, probably not an API either.
[09:52] <beuno> jml, can I get all MPs against launchpad through the API?
[09:52] <jml> beuno, the 'review type' thing isn't really a tag, fwiw. perhaps it ought to be.
[09:52] <jml> beuno, hmm.
[09:52] <james_w> lp.projects['launchpad'].getMergeProposals() I believe
[09:52] <jml> beuno, I don't know. I could find out by looking at the API docs. Want me to do that?
[09:52] <jml> james_w, hello :)
[09:52] <beuno> jml,
[09:52] <james_w> status=[<list of statuses you want>]
[09:52] <james_w> hi jml
[09:53] <beuno> james_w, you should be on the code team
[09:53] <beuno> thank you
[09:54] <james_w> I'd love it if I could get these landed: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/
[09:55] <beuno> james_w, my "ec2 land" is broken, but jml was nice enough to land my branch last week, he may still have niceness in him
[09:57] <james_w> what do you mean? jml is always overflowing with niceness
[09:57] <jml> jelmer, may I encourage you to reply to Michael Hudson's "[Launchpad-dev] plan for incremental code imports" email?
[09:58] <jml> james_w, happy to do so.
[09:58] <jelmer> jml: consider me encouraged.
[09:58] <jml> jelmer, :D
[09:58] <james_w> thanks jml
[09:58] <jml> james_w, although I think I'm going to propose in future that we make this sort of thing the OCR's job.
[10:00] <james_w> for the older one I think it was submitted, perhaps twice, so I think that has more to do with the fragility of the process. Having the OCR chase up approved but not merged branches would be a good idea though.
[10:20] <noodles775> jml: will you have time for a call before lunch?
[10:21] <jml> noodles775, probably not.
[10:21] <jml> noodles775, but I'll almost certainly be ready right after
[10:21] <jml> noodles775, unless you want a call right now
[10:21] <noodles775> jml: right now is fine too.
[10:22] <jml> james_w, both branches are now being tested on ec2
[10:22] <noodles775> jml: sorry, right now as in 2 mins :/
[10:22] <jml> noodles775, np :)
[11:28] <beuno> does anyone know a way around bug 512832?
[11:28] <mup> Bug #512832: launchpadlib caches based on full URL <launchpadlib :Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/512832>
[11:29] <beuno> I can't use launchpadlib at all  :(
[11:36] <beuno> james_w, is there anyway to get all the MPs I've reviewed?
[11:38] <BjornT> beuno: if you have an encrypted home dir, a workaround can be to symlink the .launchpadlib/ dir to an unencrypted folder. that made it work for me
[11:42] <beuno> BjornT, thanks, I'll try that
[11:44] <maxb> salgado: Hi, did https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/py2.6-importfascist disappear in a puff of ec2?
[11:46] <beuno> BjornT, that totally worked, thank you
[11:47] <salgado> maxb, thanks for reminding me of it -- the test suite was hung and the instance failed to shut down
[11:47] <salgado> maxb, I'll submit it again
[11:47] <maxb> thanks
[12:01] <james_w> beuno: not that I know of. One of the branches of mine that will land shortly allows you to do me.getRequestedReviews(), but I don't know if that includes reviews you have done.
[12:03] <beuno> james_w, ended up filtering in a loop, thanks
[14:05] <bac> hi jamalta
[14:06] <jml> noodles775, hello. I'm now caught up with my reading for daily build ui.
[14:06] <jamalta> bac: hey, how's it going?
[14:07] <bac> jamalta: good.  hey have you arranged for someone to land your branch for bug 515761?  i have a branch that needs to use your new AnonymousAuthorization class so I've been waiting.
[14:07] <mup> Bug #515761: Anonymous API access to some collections returns nothing <Launchpad Foundations:Confirmed for jamalta> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/515761>
[14:07] <jamalta> bac: well, yes i thought i had
[14:07] <jamalta> but i guess they didn't get time to do so
[14:07] <bac> jamalta:  i'll be glad to do it now
[14:07] <bac> jamalta: if you'd merge from trunk and push back up to LP i'll land it for you
[14:08] <jamalta> bac: sure! if you could please, i would really appreciate it
[14:08] <jamalta> bac: sure thing
[14:09] <jamalta> bac: sorry to have kept you waiting also :\
[14:09] <bac> np
[14:09] <jml> noodles775, and I'm thus happy to have a call whenever you are ready
[14:09] <jml> (except not at 1500UTC).
[14:12] <noodles775> jml: OK, I'm justgot a scheduled call with abentley first...
[14:12] <noodles775> abentley: are you available now?
[14:12] <abentley> noodles775, sure.
[14:12] <noodles775> abentley: OK, I've added you as a contact on skype.
[14:12] <jml> noodles775, np
[14:13]  * jml seizes the opportunity to ruthlessly clean out his desktop & physical in-tray
[14:13] <abentley> noodles775, I'm on skype, but I don't see a contact request.
[14:15] <bac>  jamalta: please let me know when that is done
[14:17] <jamalta> bac: alright, it should be updated now. Thanks for that.
[14:18] <bac> jamalta: np.  i'll land it now.  please don't do any more pushes to that branch.
[14:18] <jamalta> bac: of course, thanks so much
[14:20] <jamalta> bac: oh thanks for catching that, i will start marking bugs as "In Progress" when I'm working on them
[14:38] <noodles775> jml: is now ok, or too close to your next call?
[14:39] <jml> noodles775, let's have one now and then schedule another if there's not enough time?
[14:39] <beuno> # of ui reviews ever done using MPs:
[14:39] <beuno> {u'beuno': 170, u'launchpad': 5, u'rockstar': 17, u'barry': 17, u'michael.nelson': 39, u'sinzui': 13, u'edwin-grubbs': 2, u'bac': 1, u'adeuring': 1, u'mars': 1, u'intellectronica': 12, u'matthew.revell': 4}
[14:40] <noodles775> jml: ok, when you're ready.
[14:59] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, ping, mind if I assign bug #405476 to you?
[14:59] <mup> Bug #405476: sprite class bleeds extra images in tall elements <css> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <tech-debt> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/405476>
[14:59] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: go ahead
[14:59] <mars> thanks
[15:03] <kfogel> adeuring: I have read and understood https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/518746 .  If you're working on it, I'll just make sure that is communicated to jcastro.  Is there anything else I can do to help?
[15:03] <mup> Bug #518746: Read the patch age on the +patches view directly from Bug.latest_patch_updated <oops> <patch-tracking> <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by adeuring> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/518746>
[15:05] <adeuring> kfogel: well, if you want to discuss details how to address it, I'd appreciate it
[15:06] <kfogel> adeuring: oh, I thought from this that the solution was already basically known: "The only detail we need from the query is the creation time of the bug message (retrieved in another, faster, query), and we can get this value already from the new column Bug.latest_patch_updated"
[15:07] <adeuring> kfogel: seems that wrote nonsense: We want to display the title, the URL and a few other things...
[15:07] <kfogel> adeuring: reading query more carefully now, then
[15:09] <kfogel> adeuring: you're talking about the stuff in the popup block?
[15:09] <adeuring> kfogel: yes, and about the URL we show for each patch
[15:12]  * kfogel thinks out loud... "Maybe our denormalized column should be "latest_patch" rather than "latest_patch_updated"
[15:15] <adeuring> kfogel: we need something to sort on in this column ;) But since row1.id < row2.id should imply row1.datecreated  row2.dattecreated, that should actually work quite well
[15:16] <adeuring> kfogel: so: I think I'll change my DB atch again ;)
[15:16] <adeuring> thanks for the suggestion!
[15:17] <adeuring> erm, that should have been row1.datecreated < row2.dattecreated
[15:17] <kfogel> adeuring: the only thing I worry about is, is that something we can count on always being true?  If "later IDs must be higher numbers" is going to be a constraint from now on, where do we document that?
[15:17] <kfogel> (Do we use this sort-by-ID technique elsewhere in LP already?)
[15:18] <micahg> if anyone needs a high profile bug with upstream implications to work on...bug 499113 is upsetting bugzilla.mozilla.org users... :)
[15:18] <mup> Bug #499113: Launchpad will sync comments and link back to all bug watches, even those not linked to a bug task <bugwatch> <story-reliable-bug-syncing> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/499113>
[15:18] <adeuring> kfogel: We had such a discussion a few hours ago, related to timeouts on the main LP bugs page
[15:19] <adeuring> where a SELCT * from BUG WHERE ... SORT B> datecreated, id timed out
[15:19] <adeuring> s/B>/BY/
[15:19] <kfogel> adeuring: in SQL, "SORT BY foo, bar" means sort by foo first, then by bar within that?
[15:19] <adeuring> kfogel: yes
[15:20] <kfogel> adeuring: The idea sounds solid to me.  But I'd feel more comfortable if someone with lots of DB knowledge said "Oh, sure, we sort by ID all the time, it's totally normal."
[15:21] <adeuring> kfogel: I can imagine one situation where we might get a, let's "minor deviation" from the rule "ordering by id is equvialent to ordering by date_creeated"
[15:22] <adeuring> When two attachments are created simultaneously, attachment A might get the lower ID, while attachment 2 might have its INSERT statement executed first
[15:23] <adeuring> but (a) aving two attachments field for the same bug at the same time is quite unlikely, and (2) if this happens, the fine details of which cam first are irrelevant anyway
[15:23] <kfogel> adeuring: well, they're only going to differ by a milliseconds, right, and we're just sorting for UI purposes.
[15:23] <kfogel> right
[15:23] <kfogel> having two *patch* attachments is especially unlikely
[15:24] <adeuring> kfogel: excatly
[15:24] <kfogel> adeuring: is there any UI by which someone can retroactively mark an attachment as a patch or non-patch?
[15:24] <adeuring> kfogel: es. Just follow the "edit" link in the patch/attachment poertlet of any bug page
[15:24] <adeuring> s/es/yes/
[15:27] <kfogel> adeuring: so when someone does that, we update the latest_patch_updated field, right?
[15:27] <adeuring> kfogel: yes, via a trigger.
[15:28] <kfogel> ah right, thx
[15:29] <adeuring> kfogel: IIRC, stub alreaddy suggested to sort on bugattachment.id in some +patches-related query, when we discussed the sorting
[15:31] <kfogel> ah, so this idea has an honorable provenance
[15:31] <kfogel> good :-)
[16:41] <beuno> since august last year, developers have done more UI reviews each month than I have
[16:41] <beuno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371828/
[16:41] <beuno> I got my ass kicked in september
[16:42] <beuno> (I knew I shouldn't of gone on vacations!)
[17:03] <Ursinha_> abentley: hello.
[17:04] <abentley> Ursinha_, Hi.
[17:04] <Ursinha_> abentley: that day, when you suggested me monitoring branches being merged into devel/db-devel instead of their revisions, you really meant branches or merge proposals?
[17:06] <abentley> I meant merge proposals.
[17:06] <Ursinha> abentley: so, it turns out that not all branches merged into lp have a merge proposal
[17:06] <abentley> What branches don't?
[17:07] <Ursinha> abentley: testfixes, for instance
[17:07] <Ursinha> not necessarily have mps
[17:07] <Ursinha> abentley: I did a test here in lp and could see that
[17:08] <Ursinha> abentley: getting all merged branches of launchpad-project, not all of them have mps
[17:08] <abentley> Ursinha, Sorry I didn't think of that.
[17:08] <adeuring> mbarnett: could you please run this query for me on staging: https://pastebin.canonical.com/27546/ ?
[17:09] <Ursinha> abentley: no problem, actually I'd like to know if you have another idea
[17:09] <Ursinha> abentley: ideally I'd monitor branches
[17:09] <Ursinha> abentley: thumper very kindly implemented yesterday a way of getting branches given a date
[17:10] <Ursinha> in that case, the last modified date
[17:11] <mbarnett> adeuring: ERROR:  syntax error at or near "ORDER"
[17:11] <mbarnett> LINE 6:        WHERE BugAttachment.bug = 445852 AND ORDER BY BugAtta...
[17:11] <Ursinha> abentley: but some information will be missing, case the branch doesn't have an mp, like the target_branch
[17:12] <abentley> Ursinha, without merge proposals, I don't see a cheap way to query this.
[17:12] <Ursinha> abentley: ah :/
[17:12] <adeuring> mbarnett: I'm an idiot, sorry. This one should work: https://pastebin.canonical.com/27547/
[17:12] <abentley> I'd like to bring it up in our standup.
[17:12] <Ursinha> abentley: but, is it possible to add more information to the branch? Also, I see that the merged_revno in the mp isn't filled. Is that a bug?
[17:13] <adeuring> mbarnett: also, could you please check if we have an index on bugattachment(bug), in the staging database?
[17:15] <mbarnett> https://pastebin.canonical.com/27548/
[17:15] <adeuring> mbarnett: ot my best day... I meant an "explain analyze" for https://pastebin.canonical.com/27547/ . Sorry for the confusion...
[17:15] <abentley> Ursinha, we can add more info, but I'm not sure the branch is the right place, because a merge involves two branches and may happen multiple times.
[17:15] <mbarnett> heh
[17:15] <abentley> Ursinha, yes, it's a bug that we don't include that revno.
[17:16] <mbarnett> adeuring: https://pastebin.canonical.com/27549/
[17:16] <Ursinha> abentley: I agree with your statement about branches not being the right place to put that, but I couldn't find another place considering not all branches have mps
[17:16] <adeuring> mbarnett: thanks!
[17:17] <Ursinha> abentley: ideas more than welcome :)
[17:17] <mbarnett> adeuring: np
[17:18] <abentley> Ursinha, the two ideas I have are 1. create a "merged" merge proposal when branch merges are detected, 2. create a new table to track merges.
[17:22] <beuno> abentley, hey, you may be able to answer this. I can't figure out how to, from the API, which user commented on each comment
[17:22] <beuno> I can get the content of the comment
[17:23] <beuno> but not the author
[17:23] <beuno> is it possible that it's not exposed?
[17:23] <abentley> beuno, I believe that's recorded as the creator.
[17:23] <beuno> rockstar, ^
[17:23] <beuno> abentley, there doesn't seem to be such an attribute
[17:23] <rockstar> beuno, lemme look
[17:23] <adeuring> mbarnett: so... could you run this query on staging https://pastebin.canonical.com/27550/ ? That's from a not-yet-merged branch (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/fix-broken-initialisation-of-bug-latest-patch-uploaded/+merge/18610 ); my hope is that this will improve the run time of the first query you ran
[17:24] <beuno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/371856/
[17:24] <beuno> I can get it for votes
[17:24] <beuno> not for comments
[17:25] <abentley> beuno, it is the owner of the message.
[17:25] <rockstar> beuno, huh.  ICodeReviewComment doesn't have a author attribute.
[17:26] <rockstar> abentley, I don't think message is exposed.
[17:26] <abentley> rockstar, there's an export_as_webservice_entry line in the interface file.
[17:26] <rockstar> Nope, it's not.
[17:26] <rockstar> abentley, yeah, but the ICodeReviewComment.message isn't
[17:27] <beuno> rockstar, easy fix?   I'm working on publishing a paper on Launchpad's whole UI review experience, and I need it as part the data I want to present  :)
[17:28] <rockstar> beuno, I can't imagine it would be too difficult, but the API constantly has unknowns whenever I expose something.
[17:28] <beuno> rockstar, will you have a few minutes to look into it and give me a nod?
[17:28] <beuno> I'd super appreciate it if you could
[17:29] <rockstar> beuno, can it wait a few hours.  I'd like to get a branch into review soon.
[17:29] <beuno> rockstar, of course it can. Thanks
[17:29] <rockstar> beuno, okay.  If you're lucky, it'll be on edge tomorrow.  ;o)
[17:29] <beuno> rockstar, fingers crossed
[17:29] <rockstar> Hell, if _I'm_ lucky...
[18:15] <mbarnett> adeuring: sorry, got pulled in 2*10^7 directions there... your index is now on staging
[18:16] <jamalta> bac: hey
[18:18] <rockstar> gary_poster, hello sir.
[18:18] <gary_poster> hey rockstar
[18:18] <rockstar> gary_poster, bin/jsbuild is a generated file, correct?
[18:19] <rockstar> mbarnett, hi
[18:19] <gary_poster> rockstar: yes
[18:19] <mbarnett> heya rockstar
[18:19] <rockstar> gary_poster, where is the code that generates that?  I think I'm going to have to generate a Makefile in a similar fashion.
[18:19] <rockstar> mbarnett, so, about that cherry pick...
[18:21] <mbarnett> rockstar: there was some sql business if i recall correctly
[18:22] <rockstar> mbarnett, yup.  Lemme get my ducks in a row first here.
[18:23] <gary_poster> rockstar: If the end result is a Makefile, then I think you want a slightly different mechanism than bin/jsbuild, but same idea.  Look in [LP tree]/buildout-templates.  The .in files are processed and put in the LP tree by buildout.  Processing is as per http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.recipe.filetemplate .  You might be able to get what you need just by looking at the files already in the bin dir there, though
[18:23] <gary_poster> FWIW, that is hooked up in buildout.cfg in the [filetemplates] section
[18:24] <rockstar> gary_poster, okay.  Basically, I need a make target that uses the filenames of all our js files as the dependent targets.
[18:27] <gary_poster> rockstar: ...oh.  I'd guess you want to have something sniff out out js files so you don't have to maintain the list?  Is that the idea?  If you want to know what lazr.js is building, you'd probably need to ask mars or maybe salgado about that
[18:27] <gary_poster> I don't know if there is a config file for that info anywhere, or what
[18:28] <rockstar> gary_poster, yes, I want to automate it.
[18:28] <rockstar> gary_poster, the problem currently is that the js gets combined every time you run make run.  This is no fun.
[18:29] <gary_poster> rockstar: ah, yes!  have complained about this as well.  mars/salgado did want to address as well.  thank you for tackling.  salgado has a plan for this in fact, IIRC.  salgado, am I right?
[18:30] <rockstar> gary_poster, well, it's one of the reasons I'm build manager this cycle.  Javascript needs to suck less.  :)
[18:30] <salgado> gary_poster, I had, yes, but rockstar took it over as he's the build engineer. :)
[18:30] <rockstar> salgado, if you have a better plan than mine, I'm all ears.
[18:30] <gary_poster> rockstar: yay :-)
[18:31] <salgado> rockstar, my plan is the one I described in the UI call last week
[18:31] <rockstar> salgado, I've been rather perplexed at the nastiness of Makefile generation.
[18:31] <rockstar> salgado, I don't recall you explaining it last week.
[18:31] <rockstar> Maybe two weeks ago, before I was build engineer?
[18:31] <rockstar> I remember you talking about it then, but I don't remember that there were any specifics discussed.
[18:32] <salgado> we already maintain a hard-coded list of CSS files that we want to combine as we don't want to include everything from yui/lazr-js, so I think you could easily change bin/combine-css to not do anything if combo.css is newer than all CSS files in the list
[18:34] <rockstar> salgado, ah, you're suggesting hacking it in bin/ scripts then.
[18:34] <rockstar> Okay, that makes sense.
[18:34] <rockstar> So the script still runs, but is basically a no-op.
[18:35] <salgado> yep.  not the cleanest approach, but should be easy enough
[18:37] <adeuring> mbarnett: cool, thanks!
[18:43] <bac> hi jamalta
[18:43] <jamalta> bac: any clue as to why those tests failed?
[18:43] <jamalta> i guess the ec2 test didn't like '...' being used?
[18:44] <bac> jamalta: haven't looked yet
[18:44] <jamalta> bac: alright, when you get a chance3
[18:45] <bac> jamalta: it will be easiest if i just merge in your branch into mine, fix the tests and land them together.  you'll still get credit as you're in the bzr history
[18:45] <bac> jamalta: sound good?
[18:47] <jamalta> bac: yeah that's fine too :)
[18:49] <bac> jamalta: can you run the xx-bug.txt test in your branch and see if it fails?  i don't get a failure locally
[18:50] <jamalta> bac: it doesn't fail for me either
[18:50] <bac> jamalta: :(
[18:50] <jamalta> that's mainly why i was confused
[18:50] <jamalta> i know! :(
[18:50] <jamalta> i thought it might have been after the merge, but they still worked fine
[18:51]  * jamalta checks if he forgot to commit something
[18:51] <jamalta> well, that wouldn't make sense because you'd be having the issue too
[18:51] <jpds> (I usually find that running 'make schema' helps sometimes with weird test failures).
[18:52] <jamalta> jpds: thanks, will try that
[18:54] <bac> jamalta: the reason for the failure is not the wild-carding with ellipsis. it is b/c the actual output of that test had the unexpected output for 'task_age'
[18:55] <jamalta> bac: oh
[18:57] <bac> jamalta: your MP has db-devel as a landing target, not devel.  db-devel has task_age exported but devel does not
[19:00] <jamalta> bac: wowah, how and why is it db-devel?!
[19:00] <jamalta> i'm pretty sure i asked for lp:launchpad/devel
[19:00] <jamalta> bah
[19:01] <jamalta> oh i see what i did, hmm..
[19:01] <jamalta> how can i fix thatA?
[19:02] <bac> jamalta: it won't be an issue if i land it with mine
[19:02] <jamalta> bac: ah okay
[19:02] <jamalta> thanks for figuring that out
[19:15] <mrevell> night all
[19:23] <mwhudson> good morning
[19:57] <jtv> hi mwhudson
[19:57] <mwhudson> jtv: hello
[21:27] <lifeless> jml: can I offer any assistance on your subunit branch for lp ?
[21:34] <jml> lifeless, thanks. What I'm going to do is finish up the zope.testing branch. I'd like you're input on that once I've finished off the last few bits.
[21:43] <lifeless> sure thing
[21:59] <rockstar> gary_poster, I don't see a template for bin/jsbuild - Where can I find a mapping for all of these scripts?
[22:03] <gary_poster> rockstar: all the files in bin are generated by buildout.  If they are not generated from the templates then they are generated from entry points, via the zc.recipe,egg zc.buildout recipe.  See the [scripts] section of buildout.cfg, in the entry-points key.
[22:03] <gary_poster> (I don't think this affects your needs, but I don't advise looking too closely at those scripts specifically.  I'm putting the final touches now on a branch that gets rid of the whole fragile sys.modules ugliness.)
[22:04] <gary_poster> rockstar: I'm not sure you are going to be able to get what I vaguely understand you want
[22:04] <rockstar> gary_poster, getting rid of the sys.modules stuff will be nice, as it makes the script more manageable in an editor.
[22:04] <gary_poster> but my understanding is vague, so hopefully I'm wrong
[22:05] <gary_poster> rockstar: yeah, the new scripts are < 20 lines of <80 chars each
[22:05] <rockstar> gary_poster, awesomeness.


[18:18] <hangar18> jacky: hey there!
[18:22] <hangar18> anyone wants to talk about offtopic subjects, i'll be on the offtopic version of our channel


[22:53] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, btw i dont get any notifications even when my friend is pinging me on pidgin
[22:53] <natewiebe13>  do
[22:53] <natewiebe13> *i do
[22:54] <natewiebe13> there is a plugin "libnotify popups" version 0.14
[22:54] <natewiebe13> make sure its on
[22:55] <natewiebe13> back in 5 min
[22:55] <acicula> does anyone know about a regression with GSM broadband and network manager, with karmic it wont setup the network connection anymore and i'm not really sure where to troubleshoot the problem
[22:56] <BUGabundo> acicula: asac is on vacations
[22:56] <BUGabundo> so you won't get much help
[22:57] <BUGabundo> AFAIK trunk ppa has many fixes for it
[22:57] <acicula> BUGabundo: asac?
[22:57] <acicula> BUGabundo: and who's PPA?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> daily ppa network manager
[22:58] <acicula> ah i'll have a look
[22:58] <acicula> thanx
[22:59] <BUGabundo> np
[23:01] <durt> hey folks, glxgears reports 5000 frames per 5 secs. unprivleged user, about 5300 frames per 5 secs. root. (DRI?), but googleearth is as slow as if it was using software openGL. Nvidia 6200. Any thoughts?
[23:01] <ali1234> durt: using compiz? GE doesn't like it much
[23:01] <durt> no
[23:02] <natewiebe13> what version of nvidia drivers?
[23:02] <durt> also nvidia-185
[23:02] <natewiebe13> im using 190.18 they seemed to give me better performance
[23:03] <natewiebe13> durt.. have you tried the 190 drivers?
[23:03] <durt> no, in PPA?
[23:03] <QPrime> anyone else experiencing hard lockups almost immediately after login with the latest updates (last 3 days)
[23:03] <natewiebe13> yeah
[23:03] <natewiebe13> yeah to durt.. not QPrime
[23:04] <QPrime> ;)
[23:04] <durt> I'll give it a try.
[23:04] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, this weird... now indicator-applet is running... but no notifications.i even set the plugin in pidgin
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> hey all, how do I change the default kernel loaded at startup with grub?
[23:05] <QPrime> natewiebe13: yeah had to read the backlog but I figured that out
[23:05] <natewiebe13> durt: https://launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/karmic-testing
[23:05] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: make sure that the window does not have focus
[23:05] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, it doesnt have focus
[23:05] <natewiebe13> are you running your irc in pidgin?
[23:06] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, actually notifications also come when i connect to the internet
[23:06] <natewiebe13> okay
[23:06] <durt> even so, GE shouldn't be using software GL, it's at ~80% cpu. makes me wonder why.
[23:06] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: do you get notifications then?
[23:06] <natewiebe13> or still no?
[23:07] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13, wait let me check that... be back in few mins
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> hey all, how do I change the default kernel loaded at startup with grub?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:11] <BUGabundo> me too
[23:12] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: got it.... i actually hadnt changed buuble.c :S
[23:12] <natewiebe13> okay..
[23:12] <natewiebe13> so you recompiled? or ?
[23:13] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: There's a defaults line in the /boot/grub/menu.lst   - for Grub 1 - hmm I don't know with Grub2
[23:13] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: am on pidgin now, just do a test. i just changed the value in bubble.c and recompiled
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> because my Karmic install gets preference, but since I host a website on my jaunty install i want that to load by default
[23:14] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri:  test
[23:15] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: nope... doesnt matter... anyways... it works for what it should
[23:15] <natewiebe13> good..
[23:15] <natewiebe13> all i know is im glad notifications are back at the top where they belong
[23:15] <arvind_khadri> natewiebe13: did you revert back to alsa yet?
[23:16] <natewiebe13> nope.. pa works
[23:19] <bjsnider> durt, that old card is junk
[23:19] <bjsnider> glxgears is not a reliable benchmark
[23:20] <penguin42> well, it doesn't do much with the card
[23:23] <durt> I just mentioned it to show that the hardware is working. GE is not using it for some reason.
[23:29] <durt> ok, just ran GE with sudo and it's back to it's normal speed. reg users don't get video privileges? or what ever that group is.
[23:32] <sparr> When looking at the Sound Preferences panel in Gnome, on the Applications tab, sometimes I see an app that is playing audio appear and disappear repeatedly, and the audio cuts in and out.  What might cause that?
[23:32] <penguin42> now just a matter of figuring out which group
[23:42] <Twigaathy> oo, I have a new update manager type dooberry in the system tray next to the clock ...
[23:42] <BUGabundo> I do
[23:42] <BUGabundo> what the heck is it doing thre?
[23:43] <Twigaathy> Except I can't see any way to turn it off, and the 'show updates' thing is broken...
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I don't have any updates pendign
[23:53] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: so everything is working correctly?
[23:55] <natewiebe13> arvind_khadri: and you asked if i switched to also, but pulse audio is still working fine for me
[23:55] <Neonexus> anyone had problems with firestarter in karmic?
[23:57] <connex> Hi, I have issues with pulse not starting without X.
[23:59]  * penguin42 wonders if anyone else has tried running it without X
[23:59] <Neonexus> I was very excited about the new artwork, such a let down !


[06:13] <tjaalton> hmm rotation is broken on wily -intel
[06:25] <tjaalton> not due to -intel but something else..
[11:17] <tjaalton> -intel snapshot uploaded
[11:20] <tjaalton> -amdgpu too
[12:58] <vincx> Hi, question about the Proprietary GPU Drivers PPA. Is there a way to get AMD's drivers in also? What is needed and what can I do?
[12:59] <mamarley> We would need someone to maintain them.  I don't have any AMD cards, so I wouldn't be able to do it, sorry.
[13:02] <mamarley> If you know of another PPA with the AMD drivers, perhaps we could talk to the person who maintains that.
[13:42] <Vincx> I'll check with AMD, if they could maintain a PPA
[13:42] <tjaalton> haha
[13:45] <ricotz> keeping up with xserver/kernel api/abi changes is already enough for them ;)
[19:22] <Vincx> Yes, that's already enough for AMD, but the reason for this conversation is to say "for now...".
[19:22] <Vincx> Would OBS be sufficient?


[05:46] <TheMuso> c
[05:46] <TheMuso> ugh
[09:37] <kraut> moin
[11:30] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:30] <_StefanS_> BenC: ping?
[11:33] <_StefanS_> BenC: would you consider adding the port multiplier patches to the current 2.6.22 kernel? They greatly improve the experience with controllers that take advantage of multiple sata devices on one cable. I've been testing the patch(es) for Tejun Heo.
[11:33] <BenC> _StefanS_: not likely
[11:34] <_StefanS_> BenC: I know he's submitted them to inclusion in 2.6.23
[11:34] <_StefanS_> BenC: but it would be rather cool to have that support, given that many installation might be using cheap sata arrays
[11:34] <BenC> _StefanS_: then we'll get it for gutsy+1
[11:34] <_StefanS_> BenC: yes I know..
[11:34] <_StefanS_> BenC: but would be great to have it now :D
[11:35] <BenC> _StefanS_: But we have to take the chance that it may break things considering it hasn't gotten upstream testing :)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> BenC: well, yes..
[11:36] <_StefanS_> BenC: I find it very stable, but ofcourse the stuff requires some wider testing i imagine... atleast I tried :D
[11:36] <BenC> _StefanS_: np, I love to hear about stuff like this, and if it was the case of adding a "we have to have this" type feature, then maybe, but otherwise we tend to stick with stable code
[11:37] <_StefanS_> BenC: for me I see it as a competitive advantage, since more and more people are moving away from usb devices, and on to eSata. The current libata in stock 2.6.22 isn't really working with that.
[11:37] <_StefanS_> BenC: (for multiple devices I mean)
[11:38] <BenC> isn't working, or just isn't performing well?
[11:38] <_StefanS_> BenC: port multiplier is there, but doesn't recognize more than one disk on the cable. I guess the performance is about the same with or without the patches
[11:39] <_StefanS_> BenC: I imagine it was a cool feature just out of the box on ubuntu server for instance
[11:39] <BenC> _StefanS_: hmm, slightly different than I understood...can you send the patch to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for review?
[11:39] <_StefanS_> BenC: sure
[11:44] <_StefanS_> BenC: there you go.
[11:44] <BenC> _StefanS_: thanks
[11:47] <_StefanS_> BenC: my email is waiting approval before entering the list, just so you know it
[11:47] <BenC> _StefanS_: ah, ok
[11:48] <_StefanS_> BenC: yea, I wasn't subscribing to it ;)
[11:48] <BenC> it's very low volume, if you're interested :)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> BenC: well yes, I could probably push for stuff earlier in the process hehe
[11:52] <_StefanS_> BenC: there's a little thing with ipr.c and ipr.h when compiling with the patch applied, but tejun is going to fix that very soon. He's planning to release a patchset for the final 2.6.22 kernel soon
[03:29] <RAOF_> Is it possible for someone not on the kernel team (ie: me) to help with bug 120943
[03:35] <jbailey> Heya!  I notice that -8.15 has been uploaded without the hppa ftbfs fix that I sent to malone over a week ago.
[03:38] <jbailey> Is there something more I should do to make sure that ports patches go in?
[03:38] <jbailey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/123178
[03:38] <zul> jbailey: i guess it was overlooked might want to ping amitk
[03:38] <jbailey> Right, but I'm wondering if there's something I should do to keep it from getting overlooked.
[03:38] <zul> send the patch directly to the kernel-team mailing list
[03:39] <jbailey> The ports stuff is always going to be weird, since it's targets that the kernel team isn't expected to test.
[03:40] <jbailey> You mean as well as posting the bug?  Won't that just mean more noise, and then in a place where it can't be tracked?
[03:41] <zul> good point..
[03:42] <lamont> I think I might have git-tree abilities these days, I should check on that once BenC is bored.
[03:43] <jbailey> That would be nice.
[03:43] <jbailey> Then I'll just bug you. =)
[03:52] <amitk> jbailey: I had (still don't) no knowdlege of these changes. I will talk to kylem and try to put it into the next upload
[03:52] <jbailey> amitk: kylem is not involved with the Ubuntu hppa port.
[03:53] <amitk> jbailey: then who is?
[03:53] <jbailey> LaMont and I.
[03:54] <jbailey> kyle's doing upstream hppa kernel stuff, so he's still a reasonable person to ping for these, but IIRC he prefers to stay away from it in Ubuntu to avoid any work/non-work confusion around it.
[03:54] <jbailey> amitk: But in general, if filing a bug isn't the best way to make sure the kernel team sees a patch, what is?
[03:56] <amitk> jbailey: Besides filing a bug, it definitely helps sending email + patch to kernel-team ML. Someone is then bound to review and ack the patch
[03:57] <jbailey> Okay.  Doesn't filing a bug automatically email everyone, though?
[03:57] <jbailey> I would've thought that redundant.
[03:59] <amitk> jbailey: I currently have 1046 emails from bugs.launchpad.net in my mailbox. A majority of these aren't triaged yet. We do try to go over bugs that have a patch attached, but sometimes we might miss one.
[03:59] <amitk> jbailey: kernel-team ML is directed towards any patches that we are seriously proposing to incorporate into the next release
[04:00] <jbailey> 'kay.  Is there a launchpad account I can just subscribe to it, or should I just sent the same email to the mailing list?
[04:01] <jbailey> I'd prefer not to be subscribed to yet another mailing list that goes into an unread folder.
[04:02] <lamont> ii  git-core       1.1.3-1ubuntu1 content addressable filesystem
[04:02] <lamont> well.. that explains my pain.
[04:03] <amitk> you need to subscribe to the ML AFAIK.
[04:03] <jbailey> That seems a bit excessive.
[04:03] <amitk> lamont: I share your pain
[04:03] <lamont> jbailey: send the mail, I'll add you
[04:03] <lamont> to the unsubed but allowed list
[04:03] <jbailey> lamont: Thanks.
[04:04] <jbailey> Ah, handy. =)
[04:04] <TheMuso> c
[04:04] <TheMuso> ugh
[04:04] <lamont> mind you, replies may or may not go to you, depending on whether or not the responder includes you in the recipients....
[04:04] <jbailey> I'll be sure to indicate in the message that comments should be posted in the bug or I won't see them.
[04:05] <jbailey> lamont<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[04:09] <lamont> sounds right
[04:10] <amitk> jbailey: how about cc'ing the bug id. That way reply-all would collect all comments, right?
[04:10] <jbailey> Ah, interesting thought.  I haven't tried that before.  I'll try it when I send this one.
[04:13] <lamont> jbailey: 99% of the time, I actually catch the non-spam and forward it along.  when I recognize the sender, I add them to accepts.
[04:13] <lamont> and then there's that other 1% of the time... :(
[04:13] <jbailey> lamont: What, you're not using Gusty yet?
[04:13] <jbailey> weak. =)
[04:13] <lamont> dude.  hppa box
[04:13] <lamont> overrides file is managed in git, on bld-3.
[04:28] <lamont> amitk: so is the conversation here enough to get this patch in to 8.16? or should I send mail to the ML?
[04:59] <amitk> lamont: I have added it to my list of pending patches. I will push it to 8.17.
[05:21] <maswan> hey, this came up over in -mirrors, are there any (implemented) plans to get rid of the silly dmesg stuff like "TCP: Treason uncloaked!" and so?
[05:24] <Nafallo> maswan: I think the IPv6 one was much more weird :-)
[05:30] <maswan> the "IPv6: sending pkt_too_big to self" one?
[05:31] <maswan> yeah, that's also on my list of annoying messages that makes interesting stuff harder to see
[05:38] <Mithrandir> amitk: I presume you're aware your upload FTBFS?
[05:41] <amitk> mithrandir: yes. I am uploading a fix
[05:41] <Mithrandir> yay fixxxes
[05:41] <lamont> amitk: awesome
[05:42] <amitk> mithrandir: I forgot to update modules.ignore for 'blink'
[05:43] <zul> lol "EE: Missing modules (start begging for mercy)"
[05:45] <amitk> BenC: could you re-submit the kernel to the buildd?
[05:45] <BenC> amitk: yes, getting it now
[05:48] <BenC> amitk: uploaded
[05:49] <amitk> anybody who is waiting... go get a beer or something :)


[08:28] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[08:29] <ShapeShifter499> so I have mythbuntu installed and I got a stream going. However the audio appears to be coming from my computer microphone and not the attached tv tuner, how can I change this?
[08:29] <ShapeShifter499> the only alsa option I get is 'alsa:default'


[02:35] <ddecator> not sure if anyone is here since most of you are probably on your way to UDS, but there have been quite a few bug reports saying that people cannot download add-ons for firefox. the solutions on the mozilla site haven't worked, and nobody has a firewall setup or anything. most are lucid but not all. event other browsers can't download the addons. #firefox said they haven't heard of any issues for others, so idk if it's a server issue o
[02:35] <ddecator> people have said that they can download the addons if they use a different computer on their same network..
[02:37] <ddecator> s/event/even
[02:38] <ddecator> bug 573404
[06:06] <ddecator> anyone up for testing songbird for me?
[06:07] <micahg> ddecator: when I get back from UDS we'll work on getting the daily PPA rolling again
[06:08] <ddecator> oh hey micahg, didn't think you'd be getting on, haha. i have it on my personal PPA right now, wanted to see if i could get someone to test it and make sure it works on other systems besides mine
[06:09] <ddecator> micahg: and sounds good
[10:11] <asac_> !test
[13:36] <sebner> michave you already found the TB option for me? ^^


[13:18] <ubuntu-fl> Announcement from my owner (tiemonster): ##saiku saiku
[13:53] <mhall119> !seen tiemonster
[13:53] <ubuntu-fl> mhall119: tiemonster was last seen in #ubuntu-us-fl 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <tiemonster> mhall119: are you around?
[14:00] <DammitJim> where is he?
[14:01] <mhall119> working
[14:01] <mhall119> lazy bastard
[14:08] <zoopster> wow...lot's of cruft in the user list...mootbok and mootbot-uk, ubuntulo1, ubuntulog2 and locobot_4 - what the heck
[14:09] <mhall119> we've always had locobot_4 and we've had MootBot(-uk) for a while now
[14:09] <mhall119> the ubuntulog bots are part of a new logging initiative, IIRC
[14:09] <mhall119> we probably don't need 2 each of mootbot and logbot
[14:17] <zoopster> a bit of monitoring overkill
[14:47] <tiemonster> mhall119: using SSL+SASL would provide similar protection to SOCKS5 over SSH, right?
[14:58] <DammitJim> tiemonster, is back!
[14:59] <tiemonster> lol
[15:20] <tiemonster> mhall119: everything has been transferred to the new server
[15:20] <tiemonster> !xkcd server
[15:20] <ubuntu-fl> tiemonster: http://xkcd.com/278/
[20:15] <itnet7> zoopster: really only one log bot and the mootbot-uk should be here
[20:15] <itnet7> I can try kicking the others.
[20:16] <tiemonster> itnet7: what happened?
[20:16] <itnet7> Nothing, the new ubuntulog bot was rolled out
[20:17] <itnet7> so I am not sure we need the locobot_4 or one of the ubuntulo1
[20:17] <itnet7> I was just reading what zoopster had written earlier about monitoring overkill
[20:18] <tiemonster> gotcha
[20:18] <tiemonster> thought ubuntu-fl was misbehaving
[20:19] <itnet7> Oh, no not at all!
[20:19] <itnet7> :-)
[20:21] <tiemonster> good
[20:21] <tiemonster> I'd hate to lose our little xkcd bot
[20:22] <itnet7> tiemonster: it's great!
[20:23] <tiemonster> :-)


[01:24] <DirtyEar> Hi. I have UbuntuStudio 19.10 and my mixer is the Behringer XR18 X-Air. I just update the software, then restart, and now there is no sound out of my mixer, any help?
[01:49] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Make sure Jack is running and that the XR18 is the master device.
[01:49] <Eickmeyer> And that your playback is properly routed.
[01:51] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer Hi. THanks for answer. I used to use jack just to record, but to listen to music with YouTube I never start jack
[01:51] <DirtyEar> I think I always use pulseaudio or something like that
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: When using a professional audio device such as the XR18, that's a very bad idea.
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> I'd never use pulseaudio.
[01:52] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: What do you recommended?
[01:52] <Eickmeyer> If you want to do that, you need to make sure the device is selected as your pulse output. Check pavucontrol.
[01:52] <DirtyEar> I am very novice with linux
[01:52] <Eickmeyer> Using Ubuntu Studio Controls, you can click on Pulse Control, which should open that.
[01:52] <DirtyEar> Ok, but when I turn on jack, does not sound anything from youtube
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> That's because you don't have pulse routed to a channel on your mixer.
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> You'd need to have a pulse bridge.
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise pulseaudio is going to select a ton of channels to route to.
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> I had that happen during a live performance once accidentally (on an X32), it did not go well.
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> I made it a rule to always use Jack when connecting to something that had more than two channels.
[01:55] <DirtyEar> I want to follow your advice. May you help to me to configure it in that way?
[01:55] <DirtyEar> I cannot see StudioUbuntu Controls
[01:56] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls | DirtyEar
[01:56] <Eickmeyer> How have you been starting Jack?
[01:57] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: I run qjackctl and all ins and outs I configure from here
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> We don't support using qjackctl anymore.
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio Controls was created to make it easier.
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> It's nearly impossible to get pulse and jack running at the same time. With Ubuntu Studio Controls, Pulseaudio shows up as a device recognized by Jack.
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> It does it automatically.
[01:59] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer Ok I am trying to install it
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> What version are you using?
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> Of Ubuntu Studio?
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm
[01:59] <DirtyEar> UbuntuStudio 19.10
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> Then it should already be installed.
[02:00] <DirtyEar> I found a configuration button but not the Ubuntustudio controls
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> How did you install Ubuntu Studio 19.10?
[02:01] <DirtyEar> With and USB
[02:01] <DirtyEar> With an USB
[02:01] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so clean install?
[02:02] <DirtyEar> I lost my pc and I have to buy this one. I put all my saved money on it and it has w10 already install
[02:02] <Eickmeyer> BTW, it's three words: Ubuntu Studio Controls (Ubuntu Studio is two words).
[02:02] <Eickmeyer> That doesn't answer my question.
[02:02] <Eickmeyer> Actually, it kinda does.
[02:02] <DirtyEar> Yes clean, I guess
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio Controls should be in the Whisker (start) menu.
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> Like, one of the first things.
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> If it's not, then you did something during install.
[02:03] <DirtyEar> I have 2 hard disks and I Installed ubuntu in the same I have ubuntuStudio
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that's fine.
[02:04] <Eickmeyer> During install, did you un-check any of the items? Like, did you uncheck any of the art, photography, or video packages?
[02:04] <DirtyEar> I already installed Ubuntu Studio Controls
[02:04] <Eickmeyer> Still, I need to know if you unchecked anything. Your entire installation might have issues.
[02:05] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer: I do not remember to click on something, but I have beed trying a lot of things in order to install some plugins like roomy and others. Maybe I delete it
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> Read the second bullet point here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio#Known_Problems
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that same problem has been known to uninstall theming and the entire desktop configuration.
[02:07] <DirtyEar> I have the Ubuntu Studio Controls open, and it has a bos where it put USB devide that should be master and says No Usb Master and there ir no options to choose there
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> Your installation might be incomplete.
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> You need to stop Jack before running Ubuntu Studio Controls so that it can start it. You also need to log out/in.
[02:08] <DirtyEar> But I was working normal, then only thing I did was to upgrade my Ubuntu
[02:08] <DirtyEar> Update
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> Ok, but you can't run pulse and jack at the same time without this.
[02:09] <Eickmeyer> You wanted me to walk you through that.
[02:09] <DirtyEar> Yes. I really need help
[02:10] <Eickmeyer> I'm trying to do that, but we don't support using qjackctl for anything anymore, haven't since 19.04 released.
[02:10] <Eickmeyer> So, stop Jack with qjackctl. Open Ubuntu Studio Controls. click "Fix Realtime Permissions". Log-out, log-in.
[02:10] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: so does the x32 show up with arecrod -l or aplay -l
[02:11] <Eickmeyer> You don't need that. At all.
[02:11] <Eickmeyer> Ohhhhh... Sorry, failed to see that was OvenWerks.
[02:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: DirtyEar is very novice and wouldn't know what that does.
[02:11] <Eickmeyer> And it's an XR18, but same architecture as an X32.
[02:12] <OvenWerks> If it doesn't show up in the uSB master slot, I wonder if ALSA has picked it up at all
[02:13] <Eickmeyer> If it doesn't, then it's not plugged-in. Behringer X-series consoles run Linux, and I've never had an issue with it being detcted.
[02:13] <Eickmeyer> That or the USB port is blown.
[02:14] <DirtyEar> Eickmeyer : https://ibb.co/R0jJ2W9 this is what I see. I did not founf anything like "Fix Realmtime permissions"
[02:15] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls | DirtyEar: This guide is your friend
[02:15] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: in a terminal type aplay -l |pastebinit
[02:15] <Eickmeyer> I only did that for the link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioControls
[02:16] <OvenWerks> paste the url that that leaves
[02:17] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Thanks form helping me. I just wnat to know what I have to type this?
[02:18] <OvenWerks> you can't open a terminal window? xterm ?
[02:18] <OvenWerks> under system in the menu
[02:20] <DirtyEar> This is what I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FNGtT6KtG3/
[02:20] <OvenWerks> linux has not detected your device
[02:21] <DirtyEar> I need to reboot my pc after installed Ubuntu Studio Controls?
[02:21] <OvenWerks> unplug the xr18 wait about 10 sec and plug it back in
[02:21] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: What can I do in order to be detected?
[02:21] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Ok
[02:22] <OvenWerks> then do dmesg |tail |pasebinit
[02:22] <OvenWerks> (in the xterm)
[02:23] <DirtyEar> This is what I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yf2VBBhNTw/
[02:24] <OvenWerks> That does not show a USB device being plugged in
[02:24] <OvenWerks> Does the xr18 have to be powered up before plugging in?
[02:24] <OvenWerks> (I would assume so)
[02:25] <DirtyEar> I will try again
[02:25] <DirtyEar> I will restar my pc and be back
[02:25] <OvenWerks> Is the USB cable properly plugged in to the xr18?
[02:28] <DirtyEar> Hi I'm back. Yes, the cable or wire is conected
[02:29] <OvenWerks> And the xr18 is turned on..
[02:29] <DirtyEar> I was listening to music, update the pc. Then turn it off and then I turn on and anything sound
[02:29] <DirtyEar> Yes turned on
[02:30] <DirtyEar> Now the Ubuntu Studio Controls shows me the mixer
[02:31] <DirtyEar> This is what I get
[02:31] <OvenWerks> So (hopefully)temorary HW problem.
[02:31] <DirtyEar> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mzfKrYpR2N/
[02:32] <DirtyEar> Music is back!! |m|
[02:32] <OvenWerks> cool.
[02:32] <DirtyEar> It sound normally.
[02:32] <DirtyEar> Now I am interested in UbuntuStudio Controls
[02:33] <tux-cool> hi I have a problem: jack will not start
[02:33] <OvenWerks> ya normall when  USB object is plugged in demsg shows something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X32RJysBJb/
[02:34] <OvenWerks> When you get nothing, that means it is not detecting a USB device at all.
[02:34] <OvenWerks> I am glad it is now working for you.
[02:34] <tux-cool> hi I have a problem: jack will not start
[02:34] <OvenWerks> Ok
[02:35] <OvenWerks> need more information
[02:35] <DirtyEar> ovenwerks I will try to remember this. Saved it! THanks
[02:36] <DirtyEar> I want to know how can I use UbuntuStudio Controls in order to have jack running and be able to listen to music in youtube?
[02:36] <tux-cool> OvenWerks: here is the log of qjackctl: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Drpz3Js8Xn/
[02:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> !patience | tux-cool
[02:38] <tux-cool> OvenWerks: here is the log of qjackctl: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Drpz3Js8Xn/
[02:39] <OvenWerks> tux-cool: can you paste the url from aplay -l |pastebinit
[02:39] <tux-cool> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nk7VbjybtG/
[02:40] <OvenWerks> Are you sure you wish to use the HDMI? you may have to increase your buffer size to 4096 or so to make that work
[02:40] <OvenWerks> hdmi often requires very high latency to work
[02:41] <tux-cool> I'm trying to use my front  headphones jack
[02:41] <OvenWerks> hw:0 or default will not do that
[02:41] <tux-cool> how do I change the defult
[02:42] <OvenWerks> you probably want either hw:0 or hw:Generic_1
[02:42] <OvenWerks> Have you tried using ubuntustudio_controls?
[02:42] <tux-cool> no
[02:43] <OvenWerks> It is the suggested method of starting jack in ubuntustudio
[02:43] <tux-cool> ok
[02:43] <tux-cool> I'll try
[02:43] <DirtyEar> Is there any way to be working on a session in Ardour and be able to listen to music from youtube for example?
[02:43] <OvenWerks> should be
[02:43] <OvenWerks> I do all the time. :)
[02:44] <DirtyEar> Can I do it thorugh Ubuntu Studio Controls?
[02:44] <DirtyEar> How you can do that?
[02:44] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: yes, I don't remeber which version of controls you have... hang on.
[02:44] <DirtyEar> Ok. Thanks
[02:45] <tux-cool> OvenWerks | it dose not do any thing after I set the defult pulseaudio divice to my headphone jack
[02:45] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: in controls in the Audio setup tab: you should see ports to use  as pulse audio output.
[02:46] <tux-cool> hear is the log of qjackctl : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XSpt4BMG6W/
[02:46] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: these should be set to the outputs you like to use on the xr18 (
[02:47] <OvenWerks> the default is 1-2 but the xr18 might be 17-18 or some such
[02:48] <OvenWerks> under that tab there are two more to set the number of pulse audio bridges for both input and out put
[02:50] <OvenWerks> tux-cool: I thought you were using jack, why are you setting up your haedphone in pulse?
[02:50] <tux-cool> becouse you told me to
[02:50] <OvenWerks> no
[02:50] <tux-cool> thean what suald I do
[02:50] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Yes I can see "Ports to use on Default PulseAudio output" and says 1 and 2. When I click on it shows: 1 and 2 , 3 and 4  until  9 and 10 and do not connected output
[02:51] <OvenWerks> Your setup of qjackctl shows you are using hdmi, if you want to use the headphones with jack then your device in jack needs to be the device that has head phones
[02:52] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: huh, I guess we figured 10 ought to be lots :(
[02:53] <tux-cool> thanks It worked
[02:54] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: you can use Carla or patchage to connect the pulse bridge where you need it.
[02:54] <DirtyEar> I do not know Carla
[02:55] <DirtyEar> I already have installed that software but I do not know how to use it
[02:55] <OvenWerks> DirtyEar: it seems controls needs to be fixed to have the options up to 32
[02:55] <OvenWerks> try patchage then
[02:56] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: With patchage can I routing in order to listen Ardour and youtube?
[02:56] <OvenWerks> Should be able to.
[02:56] <DirtyEar> Is there any configuration I have to do in Ardour?
[02:56] <OvenWerks> Might have to set it to use jack if you were not before
[02:57] <DirtyEar> How can I now that?
[02:57] <DirtyEar> know
[02:59] <OvenWerks> in Ardour in window->Audio/MIDI Setup change the ALSA to Jack
[03:00] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Like this https://ibb.co/M1P3MHn
[03:02] <OvenWerks> If jack is already running it should look more like: http://i.imgur.com/3ZxyqyM.png
[03:02] <OvenWerks> except the bottom button would ask if you want to connect
[03:03] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I need to cook my son some supper...
[03:03] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: It could means that I need to run Jack first?
[03:03]  * OvenWerks wanders off to do so.
[03:04] <OvenWerks> Ya.
[03:04] <DirtyEar> OvenWerks: Go ahead. Thanks for your help
[03:04] <DirtyEar> Have a great tiem!
[03:04] <DirtyEar> time!!
[23:33] <StevenJayCohen> When 20.04 comes out and I migrate from 19.10, will I be able to do the update and have the updater just respect the packages that I have chosen? Or will the update install everything again?
[23:37] <JackFrost> The upgrader likes to ensure the desktop metapackage is installed, if you removed something that also uninstalled that, it's best to re-install the desktop metapackage with --no-install-recommends, then during the upgrade note anything new that'll be installed.  You can minimize what's installed, but unless you use a more manual upgrade sometimes you get a little extra.
[23:38] <StevenJayCohen> JackFrost: Perfect! That's just what I needed to know! Thank you!
[23:39] <JackFrost> Note also, you should have ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal (IIRC?   I had just been reading up a bit on it and thought I'd pop in here and ask. I'd love to see a list of the new packages. Is there one that you know of?
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> The upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 should have minimal impact.
[23:48] <StevenJayCohen> Eickmeyer[m]: Thanks, I only just got everything set up the way I like it on my machines for 19.10. So, it was a natural next question :)
[23:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> We're recommending all new installations be 19.10 at this time for that reason. We even removed 18.04 from the website to encourage that.
[23:50] <JackFrost> StevenJayCohen: Nope.
[23:53] <StevenJayCohen> Eickmeyer[m]: That was why I installed 19.10. I had tested my studio computer using 19.10 on a USB key and got 1/2 the latency on a fully tweaked Win10 machine. That was enough to sell me. But, its been years since Linux was a daily OS for me. I was an early Fedora and SUSE user. So, new to Ububtu.


 Good!
 awsome! Is this your last year?
 Nice work on getting lubuntu all official as well with the council etc
 @docEbrown [awsome! Is this your last year?], Second to last semester
 @docEbrown [Nice work on getting lubuntu all official as well with the council etc], Thanks!
 Boom do you have plans after you are done?
 Probably TC
 TC?
 Technical College
 awesome
[07:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL396385c61fb8: Describe keyboard key shorcut better] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL396385c61fb8
[08:49] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.6] (20190222) has been added
[08:50] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.6] (20190222) has been added
 @wxl Let me know if you could respond to my email this week
 @kc2bez do you know why this "remember forever" doesn't work?
 (Photo, 354x334) https://i.imgur.com/2hqFg5d.jpg sorry the last one
 that's when I try to mount in pcmafm-qt a network shre
 I get that on 18.10 but I haven't tried it in 19.04. I will have to try it. There were some improvements in SMB with the new pcmanfm-qt.
 But the password is saved? I also had this issue in lxde and never undertook how passwords are manahed
 For me, it doesn't seem to remember anything.
 same for me
 I wonder how could we make that work
 Same thing in 19.04. I think it needs something like kwallet to remember the credentials.
 yes, I think that to. And to config it. because I had Kwallet and worked with Kate, but not with pcmanfm-qt.
 do we have kwallet installed by default?
 We need testing ASAP! More info here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004712.html
[17:53] <wxl> @SamuelBanya i hope. :/
[18:02] <lynorian> hmm lugito doesn't notify on creating new branches on phab
[18:03] <lynorian> oh I just branched off the 18.10 branch now that feature freeze has happened
[18:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1344d779399d: Reword icon theme sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1344d779399d
[18:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe05c9f0bab4a: Add summary of appearance tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe05c9f0bab4a
[18:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL91ec36a993c7: Add loimpress paragraph screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL91ec36a993c7
 @wxl gotcha cool cause I'd like to still contribute but mostly for the things I mentioned inside that email so let me know.
 Thanks
[18:50] <wxl> for what it's worth, it's been at the top of my list.. it's just i've had too much going on
[18:50] <wxl> personal life has me really stretched thin right now
[18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdc1dd3ce7906: Start of paragraph file to nlowriter] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdc1dd3ce7906
[18:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9be9d2f14e7e: Add paragraph spacing] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9be9d2f14e7e
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[19:06] <wxl> exit
[19:06] <wxl> oops
[19:06] <wxl> EWINDOW XD
 XD
[19:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa4a70c7b0a3f: Add inserting page number to lowriter] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa4a70c7b0a3f
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[10:09] <dragon2> is it possible to convert a pdf scan to a more editable format in lubuntu? I may have to add a sotware package?
[10:10] <dragon2> I have a scan of a document with a logo, pdf format. I got to store as, and I only have the pdf format option in the schroll bar?
[10:11] <dragon2> it looks like lubuntu has qpdf as sa default pdf reader
[10:21] <kc2bez> dragon2: Libreoffice Draw might be helpful for this.
[10:39] <dragon2> thanks it did open in libre draw
[10:40] <dragon2> but I am not able to edit much, cut out logo etc.
[10:40] <dragon2> hmmm
[10:40] <dragon2> I use libre a lot, but draw is pretty new to me
[10:45] <kc2bez> Some pdfs are not really editable. It all depends on how they are made. Draw usually does an ok job on them, I am not sure what else to suggest.
[12:08] <dragon2> it`s not a scan to editible word document
[12:09] <dragon2> it is a scan of a document witha few logos and some text columns. I just wanted to extract the old company logo to start with
[12:09] <dragon2> I have managed similar before, but it was a sort of draw a line around and cut out type of affair,
[12:10] <dragon2> ...a daunting task in current offices
[14:26] <somenone> has anyone ever seen something about a cheap usb keyboard ignoring the "key repeat" settings?
[14:26] <somenone> i'm likely going to grab another one later today so it doesn't matter too much but it's pretty weird
[14:27] <somenone> e.g. when holding shift and a, it doesn't come out as a consistent AAAA, but rather something like aaaAaaAAAa
 that sounds more like hardware problem than the Key Repeat settings - cheaper keyboards might not have good consistent contacts or such on their hardware end.
[15:36] <somenone> i don't believe that's the problem...the keyboard works fine on windows
[15:37] <somenone> i thought that was the issue too but it seems to be okay. there's another keyboard i briefly checked that had the same issue
[15:39] <somenone> also, bad wording on my part, i don't think the settings are the cause, it's just related
[15:40] <somenone> i mention that because they have no effect whatsoever on the faulty keyboard, but have on all others i tested
[15:42] <somenone> no idea what the issue would be honestly, drivers aside
 Hello, can we use hot corners feature at lubuntu ? like when i move my cursor to top right i want it to minimize focused window.
 or open VLC,  or show desktop, or open app menu
 or swich to other app window, or hide/unhide(togle) bottom bar
[20:30] <Robbanux> Hi friends. Old Bob here. I try to install the great Lubuntu 20 on my old Fujitsu 510 and installation did great but. When i try to restart the computer it will not reboot to Lubuntu.It is like it is no bootloader installed! Someone know the problem?
[20:33] <Robbanux> Thanks for the help. Have a nice evening.
[21:21] <somenone> grabbed another cheap one, same deal. they have the same usb vendor id for whatever that's worth: c0f4
[21:29] <somenone> one other weird thing i noticed, is that even on the fancy asus bios thing here it has the same behavior
[22:23] <somenone> speaking of the bios, that's probably more related...
[22:24] <somenone> i tested yet another keyboard on a live lubuntu install where i bought it, and it worked fine there, but back here, same thing yet again
[22:25] <somenone> updating this bios looks pretty annoying though, ugh
[23:08] <somenone> really have no clue. on a desktop + laptop with lubuntu installed, the issue shows up. on another laptop with windows, a live install doesn't show the issue