[00:00] <amichair> how do I find the backuppc config file that would have been installed when upgrading to lucid (when I chose to keep old config)?
[00:01] <draik> smokealot: For now, just on my computer. I just built my movie server that will have all of my DVDs on demand for me to watch whenever I want.
[00:09] <heath> iconmefisto: same here
[00:09] <heath> same error though :\
[00:11] <heath> awesome!
[00:11] <heath> iconmefisto: i needed @gmail.com on the username
[00:11] <heath> works just fine now!
[00:11] <heath> yay, i can finally use kmail for my email
[00:11] <amichair> how do I find a config file that would have been installed when upgrading to lucid (when I chose to keep old config)?
[00:16] <zarlord> ho
[00:16] <zarlord> *hi
[00:30] <zus> #pgp
[00:30] <zus> is there a channel for  pgp keys and encryption?
[00:31] <zus> i just installed  kgpg and  its not reading the  .gnupg folder.... i dont see any keys  in the  gui
[00:32] <jcgs> hi
[00:32] <zus> hi
[00:33] <Mamarok> zus: are you sure it is installed correctly?
[00:33] <jcgs> my network manager icon in the tray is showing the unplugged icon, and where the menu should me it only says "network management disabled" any ideas on how to fix it?
[00:33] <Mamarok> check the settings, the home folder should be $HOME/.gnupg
[00:34] <Mamarok> zus: ^
[00:34] <zus> Mamarok,  i just used kpackagekit for it
[00:35] <Mamarok> zus: also, do you store yur keyring in .gnupg/
[00:35] <Mamarok> your*
[00:36] <zus> Mamarok,  version 2.3.0 KGpg (using kde platform 4.4.3
[00:36] <Mamarok> zus: I'm not interested in the version, are you sure you have your keyring in that folder I talked about above?
[00:37] <Mamarok> also check the kgpg settings
[00:37] <zus> Mamarok,  yeah i had made a gnupg key when i was in ubuntu 9.10 and i cut and pasted everything into the  .gnupg folder wich worked in 10-4 till i reinstalled everything
[00:37] <Mamarok> wait, you reinstalled, did you export the key before that?
[00:38] <Mamarok> cut & paste is not the best way to move a key
[00:38] <zus> nope i didnt not export anything
[00:38] <zus> i had my .gnupg folder on a thumbdrive  though
[00:38] <Mamarok> right... are you sure your keyring is where it should be, including the secret key?
[00:39] <zus> yes, i did the same thing when i initially  got 10-4
[00:40] <zus> and 2 nights i go i reinstalled and  repeated the steps now its not there
[00:41] <zus> i only have the one key but the files in the .gnupg are from when i had ubuntu 9.10
[00:41] <Mamarok> and did you check the kgpg settings?
[00:42] <zus> in the kgpg settings what do i do?
[00:42] <zus> i didnt have to do this before, so im not certain
[00:42] <`Onyx> How do I change the colour of the taskbar?
[00:43] <Mamarok> see the GnuPG Settings, make it point to the right folder
[00:43] <Mamarok> also, why did you have to install kgpg? Isn't it installed by default?
[00:43] <Mamarok> acording to my info it should be part of the automatic installation of KDE
[00:44] <zus> /home/zus/.gnupg/ its seems to be correct, and  i looked everywhere and even tried alt-f2 to open the the program
[00:45] <zus> so i used kpackagekit and it was 4.4.2 and 4.4.3 neither was installed
[00:46] <Mamarok> once started it stays in the SysTray. I never had to configure anything, but maybe you need to search for the key: Go to the Keys menu -> import key and select the keyring file
[00:48] <zus> when the directory folder opens how do i find hidden files?
[00:48] <zus> heh nvm,
[00:49] <zus> brb... dinner is done.... thank you for getting me this far....mamarok
[00:49] <Luija1006> People whats your opinion about ubuntu installed in Macbook 13 inch?
[00:49] <Mamarok> you need to import the secring.gpg
[00:50] <Mamarok> Luija1006: please ask in #kubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel, not for discussions and opinions
[00:50] <Mamarok> Luija1006: and we use Kubuntu here
[00:51] <Luija1006> wrong channel... and this is INtopic
[00:51] <Luija1006> bye
[01:06] <pingveno> Does NVidia usually support their hardware for longer than ATI?
[01:07] <pingveno> I haven't been able to use some of the pretty window manager effects because ATI stopped supporting my laptop's 3d acceleration. :(
[01:07] <nerdy_kid> anyone experianced slow context menus in lucid?  (2-4 secs to pop up)
[01:08] <TN-048> I am but I also have a slow computer
[01:08] <amason__> pingveno: the free software drivers should support the card sooner or later.
[01:08] <amason__> pingveno: what card do you have ?
[01:09] <pingveno> amason__: Looking up...
[01:09] <nerdy_kid> TN-048 how slow?
[01:10] <TN-048> nerdy_kid: 1.3 ghz
[01:10] <pingveno> amason__: ATI Mobility Radeon x300, bought the computer in late 2005
[01:11] <nerdy_kid> TN-048 i have dual core 1.4 ghz.  one of my cores pins during the 2-4 sec delay, drives me crazy.  considering switching distros.
[01:11] <amason__> pingveno: erm i have a radeon x200 in one of my machines which works ok with the free drivers. Do they not work for you ?
[01:11] <pingveno> There doesn't seem to be good graphics acceleration.
[01:11] <TN-048> nerdy_kid:I have a cheap acer laptop and its laggy but none the less I like it
[01:12] <pingveno> On KDE, turning on effects takes up 10+% CPU all the time, 100% when I use an effect.
[01:12] <pingveno> Almost 0% when I turn off Composite
[01:13] <TN-048> nerdy_kid: but since the 10.04 release I've noticed that xorg is using alot more cpu
[01:14] <nerdy_kid> TN-048 yeah, ive noticed that it now eats ram -- like 100mbs of it.
[01:14] <nerdy_kid> stays at around 100 though
[01:15] <Luija1006> Kate has problems opening .js greasemonkey scripts in 10.04 because in 9.10 it opened them perfectly whats wrong?
[01:15] <TN-048> nerdy_kid: idk but I like kubuntu so i'm sticking with it
[01:16] <nerdy_kid> TN-048 i like apt :)  so im sticking debian, but not happy with ubuntus kde implimentation.  will stay kubuntu is i manage to fix the context menu issue though.
[01:17] <Typos_King> Luija1006:     what kind of 'problems'?
[01:17] <billy_> Somebody here speaks spanish?
[01:18] <Typos_King> !es | billy_
[01:23] <Mr_Sonoma> does anyone know of a command line utility i could use to delete a message off a IMAP email server? I don't want to download the message i just want to delete it
[01:24] <Mr_Sonoma> would mutt do the job without trying to download messages? anyone know?
[01:30] <Typos_King> I think mutt will do it, however it will probably be interactive
[01:31] <Mr_Sonoma> my problem is someone sent a video to me on a company email account, message is so big i keep getting time out errors about 50% through it with kmail
[01:35] <amason__> Mr_Sonoma: kmail has some issues left over from the old days. These will all be solved when they move to akonadi but the port is still in progress so it may not work for all use cases.
[01:35] <amason__> mutt or thunderbird should work fine
[01:36] <amason__> actually quite like the new version of thunderbird.
[01:36] <billy_> Some girl here to chat for a while?
[01:36] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:36] <Mr_Sonoma> i normally don't have this issue, although i occasionally get a akonadi server log error warning
[01:37] <Typos_King> billy_:    what about a hairy bearded guy, no good?
[01:37] <Mr_Sonoma> it was only WHEN this email was sent that i started seeing this
[01:39] <maco> billy_: this is a sdupport channel
[01:39] <zus> Mamarok, im back sorry i had to run for a few,... if i delete the .gnupg folder then  made a new key will it create a new folder?
[01:49] <Mamarok> zus: did yu try to import they key first?
[01:49] <Mamarok> no need to delete that folder
[01:49] <zus> Mamarok,  yes nothing was processed
[01:50] <Mamarok> how many gpg files do yu have in there?
[01:50] <Mamarok> you*
[01:50] <zus>  just my one from when i made it to sign the  ucoc
[01:50] <Mamarok> zus: you should have two files, one called keyring.gpg, the other one secring.gpg
[01:51] <Mamarok> and you need to import both
[01:51] <zus> i do not have the keyring one
[01:51] <Mamarok> ouch
[01:51] <Mamarok> do you have it elsewhere maybe?
[01:52] <zus> keyring.gpg is missing but i have the secring.gpg.  i might i'd have to look through some files
[01:52] <zus> importing both of them should fix me up?
[01:53] <Mamarok> you should, because if you have to create a new key, you will also have to make the old one expirate, did you create an expiration file?
[01:53] <Mamarok> yes, the secring.gpg is your secret key, the keyring.gpg contains all keys you downloaded and signed
[01:53] <maco> i think your keyring has ones you imported without signing too
[01:53] <zus> i dont think i set an expiredate on my key
[01:53] <Mamarok> and make sure to keep a secure copy somewhere, by exporting it to a file
[01:54] <Mamarok> maco: yes, all the downloaded keys
[01:55] <Mamarok> zus: the problem is if you have no expiration date and loose that key, it can't be deactivated, so at least an expiration file should be created to be able to deactivate the key
[01:56] <Mamarok> a revocation file I mean
[01:56] <zus> let me try to find the file brb.
[01:56] <Mamarok> zus: I need to go, already hours over bedtime
[01:56] <zus> thank you for helping me
[01:57] <Mamarok> you are welcome :)
[01:57] <zus> rest easy
[01:57] <Mamarok> thanks :)
[02:53] <Traveller_N125> Does anyone know where I can find the "Launch Feedback" settings in lucid lynx?
[03:06] <tux_> hello
[03:24] <`Onyx> How do I change the colour of the taskbar?
[03:34] <dan> im new? what is this lol
[03:35] <dan> just a chat room iguess
[03:35] <amason__> dan: yeh chat for kubuntu related goings on
[03:35] <amason__> and basic level support
[05:13] <recentdelete> dear people, I'm trying to get in #ubuntu but I can't manage to /join even after floodbot1 grants me access :( anyone know how I can help this?
[05:17] <recentdelete> anyone? (in case anyone has replied, it might be some internet or webchatclient problem, I can only see join and leave messages)
[06:29] <Rondo> hi I'm having trouble figuring out how to empty trash in inserted media. I delete .Trash-1000 but still the device is lacking the free space it should have
[06:29] <zus> anyone have issues with ktorrent and pirate bay? the page just cuts off
[06:36] <ForgeAus> I dont use thepiratebay
[06:36] <ForgeAus> try btjunkie if its still around :) I used to like that site
[06:36] <ForgeAus> no idea if its any good still tho
[06:36] <ForgeAus> (too long since I've been there)
[06:39] <eagles0513875> morning i keep getting an error with apt-authentication with one of the mirrors that im using
[06:39] <eagles0513875> the other day there was an apt update which updated the apt authentication and it seems to have messed up my repos and i cant seem to update
[06:44] <Rondo> I have tried to "safely remove" the device and still 700 megs out of 2 gigs are missing. .trash folder is empty, where is the phantom data?
[06:45] <Rondo> surely one of you must be familiar with how to work a thumbdrive...
[06:46] <eagles0513875> Rondo: you probably have a 2nd partition
[06:46] <eagles0513875> that linux cant see
[06:47] <eagles0513875> Rondo: install gparted and then run sudo gparted and it will show you your partitions and everythign deleted all the partitions then reformat the way you want
[06:51] <eagles0513875> anyone have any ideas as to http://pastebin.com/g5rsXDxn its getting really annoying and i cant run apt-get update to update the local repo list as well as upgrade any packages
[06:53] <Rondo> eagles0513875: thanks I'll look into that
[06:53] <eagles0513875> Rondo: no problem
[06:55] <Rondo> eagles0513875: as for your problem I think you can find a .deb to provide keys for the ailing repo. can you tell which repo is malfunctioning, or is it all of them?
[06:56] <eagles0513875> yes its a mirror that i use
[06:56] <eagles0513875> as the local mirror for my location is horrible
[06:56] <eagles0513875> Rondo: i googled and i only found an error like that but for a ppa which this isnt
[06:57] <Rondo> eagles0513875: but if you try to apt something else, the other repo's keys are still working?
[06:57] <zus> ForgeAus,  sorry normally this time its forever before i get an answer so i was youtubing
[06:57] <eagles0513875> the other repos of the mirror im using update just fine there is this one which isnt and it only started occuring after an apt update the other day
[06:57] <Rondo> eagles0513875: like not something in lucid-proposed but something basic you would find in the base repos
[06:58] <eagles0513875> Rondo: i dunno but this is starting to get me frustrated i dont like having an unupdated system
[06:59] <Rondo> eagles0513875: right. i think if at least your other repos are fine you could overlook the issue. possible an updated key would be provided in an update as soon as they figure out what went wrong
[06:59] <eagles0513875> Rondo: i cant even update
[07:00] <eagles0513875> let me try something
[07:02] <Rondo> eagles0513875: try disabling the one repo for now and check back on it in a day or two. gotta go good luck
[07:38] <funcrush> Hi all, ESC key doesn't work well, after press Alt+F2, the key doesn't work. And in VI, the key doesn't work too, anybody help me?
[07:44] <jussi> funcrush: now is a bit of a quiet time, so please be patient, and maybe try again a little later.
[07:44] <funcrush> jussi: ok i see
[07:45] <Lantizia> Has anyone else noticed when you view the connection info (by right clicking say Auth eth0) on KNetworkManager... the Nameservers are written BACKWARDS? :D
[07:47] <sobczyk_> hi, I'm trying to connect to irc.rizon.net with konversation, but something won't let me to connect, web client works  fine
[07:47] <sobczyk_> is there some way to troubleshoot it?
[08:29] <Kubry> Hello. Any of you use ktimetracker?
[08:29] <Kubry> And has seen he can not add/substract "times"?
[08:52] <silv3r_m00n> can I take an export of all username and passwords from this kdewallet thing ?
[09:32] <amichair> how do I set up wireless on KNR with a hidden SSID?
[09:50] <amichair> where'd everyone go?
[09:50] <thomasfuston> Mornin', i got a short question about the kde panel, i wanna add icons, for example opera-starter and wanna change the icon of the starter, but i dont know how to do that
[09:51] <amichair> thomasfuston: you can put the panel in edit mode by clicking the little yellow cashew thing at its edge, and then u can add widgets, move them around, etc.
[09:52] <thomasfuston> amichair: yah i can add an "opera starter" but with the standart opera icon, i wanna change this standart icon just for the panel
[09:53] <amichair> thomasfuston: maybe right-click the icon and edit settings? (guessing)
[09:53] <thomasfuston> amichair: thought so too, buut wrong :)
[09:54] <amichair> I see Quick Access icons settings can be used to change the icons, but I guess not every icon
[09:55] <amichair> thomasfuston: you can always try to change the icon mangually in the .desktop file
[09:56] <amichair> heh, it's funny that the menu option is called 'icon settings' but the one thing you can't change is the icon :-)
[09:59] <thomasfuston> amichair: yah to bad :)
[10:50] <pero90> Hello i`ve got problem with OpenOffice Base under kubuntu 10.04, i create tabase , tables and relations - but when i try to add for example a simple query or report I`ve got always error : access denied . Cannot get data from ... Is i must run some kind of mysl server, or create user to simply use my databes on local computer ?
[11:13] <adambaylin> Hey, all I'm new on this.
[11:13] <adambaylin> so can anyone give me some information about this?
[11:13] <adambaylin>  anyone here
[11:13] <adambaylin> h
[11:17] <GaelicGrime> information about what adambaylin    I suspect that if you ask someone may pipe up
[11:18] <adambaylin> well
[11:18] <adambaylin> is there anyother room than kubuntu
[11:18] <adambaylin> like other channels
[11:19] <GaelicGrime> plenty of other channels, you can search them by sending a message to alis or using your IRC clients list feature
[11:19] <discozohan> i have intergrated intel video chipset, what drivers should i install ?
[11:20] <gottto> it will be installed already discozohan
[11:20]  * GaelicGrime would have no clue discozohan, all of my machines and cards have been autodetected and dealt with awesomely
[11:21] <discozohan> Hmm, dragging of all of my opened windows seems to be lagging
[11:21] <discozohan> so, as i thought, it is video card problem
[11:21] <discozohan> ;<
[11:21] <GaelicGrime> I have started experiencing a slow down in the last 12 hours similar to that (thus my sitting here to see what drops by)
[11:22] <gottto> discozohan: you can check   /var/log/Xoeg.0.log   to see which one it is using
[11:22] <gottto> oops Xorg.0.log
[11:24] <discozohan> hm, ok. Btw, where can i change my resolution ?
[11:27] <gottto> no idea in kde4 but in konsole   xrandr   tells what are available and   xrandr -s 1280x1024   or whatever changes it
[11:28] <AhmedBH> hi all, WHY cant i save my resolution @ 1280x1024 and after a restart it gets back to default @_@
[11:29] <gottto> AhmedBH: using an xorg.conf?
[11:29] <AhmedBH> no no i dont have that
[11:29] <AhmedBH> its by
[11:29] <AhmedBH> xrandr
[11:29] <AhmedBH> by the way
[11:30] <gottto> it should stick afaik - tried the gui way?
[11:30] <AhmedBH> on Gnome it works fine.. only with KDE after each restat i gotta change it according to my monitor
[11:31] <srikant> Hi Room
[11:32] <GaelicGrime> I have found that I also need to edit an xorg.conf with my resolution every other release of *buntu on one of my machines, the other never fails to autorecognize
[11:32] <ForgeAus> argh LXDE stole the default from KDE!
[11:32] <srikant> I have query on Kubuntu 10.04 desktop, plasmoid Digital clock setting !
[11:33] <ForgeAus> srikant: ???
[11:33] <srikant> How can I set the default plasmoid digital clock size to large size, as in Fedora KDE 4.4. ?
[11:34] <ForgeAus> I don't know fedora 4.4 but if you mess with the height of the panel it will adjust fonts so that might be larger for you
[11:35] <ForgeAus> (ie rightclick panel and panel settings or click on the "cashew" at the end of the panel and click height then drag up / down)
[11:35] <ForgeAus> it changes configuration/size of things...
[11:36] <ForgeAus> find where you feel most comfortable with it then release and turn off the config
[11:36] <srikant> Yes, I am pretty sure about the mess up related to panel height size, but the size remains same, even If I reconfigure the panel, newly !
[11:37] <ForgeAus> oh ok
[11:37] <ForgeAus> well then I don't know
[11:37] <srikant> The same behaviour of plasmoid digital clock size setting in seen in openSUSE 11.3 M6, even newly created .kde after removing .kde creates large digital clock in the panel by default
[11:38] <srikant> s/in/is
[11:45] <ForgeAus> KDE4 sits really well on SUSE from what I heard
[11:46] <ForgeAus> (that was mostlyfrom around the time of Intrepid)
[11:46] <ForgeAus> things may have changed since
[11:46] <ForgeAus> (KDE4 wasn't so great in Kubuntu yet back then)
[11:53] <eagles0513875> ForgeAus: i have seen it evolve and its amazing imho
[11:58] <srikant> But KDE 4.4.3 plays well in Kubuntu 10.04.. Lot of things are impressive.. but few settings related to fonts must be improved yet!
[11:58] <ForgeAus> I agree
[12:00] <srikant> Is ayatana/colibri better than default notification system.. available in Kubuntu 10.04 ?
[12:03] <srikant> And also Kubuntu Lucid requires "Ubuntu Software Center" by default !!
[12:05] <srikant> The synaptic manager is ported to kde4 in Linux Mint 8 (KDE), but Kubuntu has not tried for that option
[12:07]  * GaelicGrime commits grievous sins and just loads synaptic anyway because it just work "right" for me
[12:07] <discozohan> how can i make, that every virtual desktop could have just only his own applications
[12:07] <discozohan> i don't want to share them among all virtual desktops
[12:08] <discozohan> i want the same behaviour, as default in gnome
[12:08] <GaelicGrime> right click the task manager and edit the options if I understand the question correctly
[12:10] <discozohan> hmm
[12:10] <discozohan> for example, i am currently at desktop one
[12:10] <discozohan> there are opened applications there, for example - xchat
[12:10] <discozohan> when i switch to second desktop, i also so there xchat
[12:11] <discozohan> i can't find related configuration in virtual desktop configuration
[12:11] <discozohan> i also see*
[12:12] <GaelicGrime> yes right click the task manager and select "task manager options"
[12:12] <GaelicGrime> options->settings
[12:12] <GaelicGrime> filters
[12:13] <GaelicGrime> check "only showtasks from this desktop"
[12:18] <srikant> nareshbhat: ping
[12:21] <nareshbhat> pong
, thanks ;) it worked
[12:29] <GaelicGrime> :)
[12:30] <srikant> There is difference between default fonts shown in KDE 4.4.3 on kde.org and the one provided in Kubuntu Lucid, is their any place where can find the exact fonts settings shown in http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.3.php
[12:33] <nareshbhat> I have the same query, how to set desktop fonts like in Open Suse 11.3 for Kubuntu 10.4
[12:36] <petr_> yayay
[12:36] <assdrillerreturn> allo
[12:37] <lada> sssssssssss
[12:37] <lada> tgg
[12:57] <discozohan> btw, resolution can be changed in kde control center -> screen
[12:58] <lada> brothers
[12:58] <lada> discozohan hello bro
[12:58] <discozohan> xDD
[12:58] <discozohan> hello, nigga
[12:59] <lada> discozohan  nigga?   I am snowman
[12:59] <discozohan> xDDD
[12:59] <tsimpson> !language
[12:59] <lada> discozohan   let talk in private?
[13:00] <assssssxman> discozohan go to private channel
[13:01] <assssssxman> I find frieands
[13:02] <asssbrosssxman> Let Talk about Kubuntu 10 ?
[13:02] <asssbrosssxman> I use 8 edition   and I want new ))
[13:03] <asssbrosssxman> but I do not want to reinstall ALL my applications --- so  I use old sh0t
[13:03] <asssbrosssxman> cause
[13:04] <asssbrosssxman> bye?
[13:29] <cristian_> alguem do brasil ai
[13:29] <cristian_> fiz um negocio interessante aqui no ubuntu
[14:12] <ForgeAus> interesting ubuntu-desktop includes compiz now?
[14:12] <caldera> you speak turkish
[14:12] <ForgeAus> I'm adding ubuntu-desktop to my kubuntu install
[14:14] <ForgeAus> I do want to switch defualts back to KDE tho, it wasn't (or sofar isn't ubuntu-desktop thats bothering me, its lxde that stole my defaults...)
[14:14] <ForgeAus> not that I mind the LXDE desktop I just prefer KDE to remain the default... (unless I change it explicitly)
[14:15] <Pici> !tr | caldera
[14:38] <otswim> hi i'm using kde 4.4.3 on kubuntu 10.04 and i have a one second delay when i right-click on some file icon on my desktop; could someone help me?
[14:39] <funcrush_> I set a hotkey at konsole with in KDE Menu Editor, but it doesn't work, anybody help me/
[14:41] <Hazamonzo> hmm, should the xorg process ever be consuming 25% of my quad core 2.6ghz ?
[14:41] <hafidz>  /msg ubottu !bot
[14:42] <Hazamonzo> its making my desktop pretty slow and im not even doing anything >:(
[14:43]  * Hazamonzo has not had much luck with 10.04 so far :'(
[14:44] <Hazamonzo> I think its down to this crappy ATI driver, gaaah!
[14:45] <boabsta> hi i just installed Kubuntu 10.4 on a AMD Athlon 1.2GHz with Nvidia 5200 but it hangs whenever i logout - is this a known issue or am i really unlucky?
[14:46] <boabsta> ^ thats 32bit
[14:50] <lavin> could anyone tell me why my wireless card broadcom 4312 will not show up when i'm using the b43-fwcutter ? it works ok using the bcmw-STA driver !
[14:58] <c3l> what program should I use if I want to set up a FTP-server. criterias is that I want existing users to be able to log in and get files, also that I can assign any folders to be available through the ftp (but not all! I must specify which folders that are accessible through the FTP)
[14:58] <kubuntiano> hi, I have a problem with the OpenOffice word: I had a row with underscores _ and I automatically created a complete line that now I can not remove in any way .. Who can help me? Thanks
[14:58] <boabsta> c3l: vsftp might do what you want
[14:59] <ForgeAus> kubuntiano: try #openoffice if there is one???
[14:59] <boabsta> kubuntiano: try #Openoffice.org
[15:00] <c3l> boabsta: hm okay thanks, does it have a gui for configuring it?
[15:00] <kubuntiano> ok thx
[15:14] <amichair> does KNR wifi work with hidden SSID?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> amichair: that's been a historical source of problems
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> (fwiw, the wireless stacks of KNR and the desktop editions should be identical)
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> s/should be/are
[15:26] <amichair> oh hey JontheEchidna, fancy meeting you here :-)
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[15:27] <boabsta> c3l: google KVsftpdManager for a KDE control centre plugin - i've never tried it though
[15:27] <c3l> boabsta: oh, thanks!
[15:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: so I have to unhide it, or is there a solution?
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I'm not sure of a solution, unfortunately. If it's not working it is a bug with knetworkmanager.
[15:28] <boabsta> c3l: actually that maybe only works for KDE3, not sure mate
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> amichair: you could try running the nm-applet gnome frontend
[15:29] <c3l> boabsta: oh haha, well Ill look around, thanks =)
[15:30] <amichair> JontheEchidna: if only I could get online to install it :-P
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:35] <helder_> Hi
[15:36] <helder_> i have 1 question
[15:36] <helder_> can you help me?
[15:36] <c3l> helder_: dont ask to ask
[15:36] <c3l> !ask
[15:37] <helder_> is my desktop i select a wallpaper but dosent show...
[15:38] <c3l> helder_: right click on an empty spot on your desktop and choose "Desktop Activity Settings"
[15:38] <helder_> right
[15:39] <helder_> other thing
[15:39] <c3l> in there you can choose different wallpapers, download new, or browse your filesystem for already downloaded images. select the image you want. and klick apply
[15:39] <c3l> or OK
[15:39] <rjwill> hello all
[15:39] <helder_> im using a kubuntu 64bits can i use app from 32bits?
[15:39] <c3l> helder_: yes, it's backward compatible
[15:39] <helder_> cool
[15:40] <helder_> many tanks....
[15:40] <c3l> yw
[15:41] <rjwill> just installed kubuntu 10.04. my wired network device does not come up on it's own. I've tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces and also to the "network connections" app with "connect automaticallY" checked but nothign seems to work
[15:42] <rjwill> if i login and run 'ifup eth0' it comes right up
[15:42] <rjwill> any ideas?
[15:42] <helder_> lol boot config on bios setup?
[15:44] <rjwill> im using a static network address not dhcp
[16:06] <ubuntu___> hello everyone
[16:09] <ubuntu___> i lost the grub,i am not able to boot into kubuntu. i want to update grub, i am in the live session of kubuntu lts. i tried the command "sudo update-grub" i am getting an error message "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[16:09] <ubuntu___> "
[16:09] <ubuntu___> can anyone help me
[16:11] <DarthFrog> You have a terminal open?
[16:12] <ubuntu___> ya
[16:12] <DarthFrog> OK, do you know which partition is the root partition?
[16:12] <ubuntu___> ya sda2
[16:13] <DarthFrog> OK, all the rest is done in that terminal session.  Type "sudo -i"
[16:13] <DarthFrog> "mkdir /mnt/disk"
[16:13] <DarthFrog> "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/disk"
[16:13] <DarthFrog> "chroot /mnt/disk"
[16:14] <DarthFrog> Now run your "update-grub".
[16:16] <boabsta> has anyone else had a blank screen and unresponsive keyboard after logging out of KDE? Using KUbuntu 10.4 installed from fresh. It needs a hard reboot to fix :(
[16:17] <DarthFrog> boabsta: Yah, that happens to me all the time.  Shrug.  Nuisance.
[16:17] <boabsta> DarthFrog: is there any work-arounds/fixes? and is there a bug report already filed about it?
[16:18] <boabsta> I've googled and looks like it was a big issue in 2007 too!
[16:18] <DarthFrog> boabsta: No idea.  It's an occasional nuisance to me, that's all.  I just live with it.
[16:19] <DarthFrog> Occasionally, I forget and press Alt-SysReq-K (I miss Ctl-Alt-Backspace!) and then have to reboot.
[16:21] <boabsta> DarthFrog: happens every time to me - was looking forward to KUbuntu 10.4 too :( looks like a bad one after googling around bug reports from 2007 onwards, guess gnome is the way to go sigh
[16:21] <DarthFrog> Just don't log out?  :-)
[16:22] <boabsta> i dont - my missus does though
[16:22] <DarthFrog> You can have two sessions going at the same time, you know.  From Kickoff, click on "Switch User".
[16:23] <boabsta> DarthFrog: yeah we do that, had a session each but this morning it hung when my missus tried to login
[16:23] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: i am going to restart my computer, i will be back shortly
[16:24] <DarthFrog> Faeces occurs.
[16:24] <boabsta> DarthFrog: honestly i seem to have more and more trouble with linux the more mature it gets, windows 7 is looking good to me just now lol
[16:24] <maco> nah its just tricking you
[16:24] <maco> i have to use win7 at work. its *confusing*
[16:24] <DarthFrog> Hey, if it works for you, go for it.  The OS is a tool, not a religous choice.
[16:24] <noaXess> hey hey
[16:25] <noaXess> upgrading to lucid.. now grup-pc upgrading.. i get /dev/sda with /dev/sda1 (32017MB) /dev/sda2 (0MB) and /dev/sda5 (1365MB), where to install grub? /dev/sda1?
[16:25] <iconmefisto> DarthFrog: you can enable ctrl-alt-backspace in systemsettings > keyboard layouts (enable it) > advanced tab
[16:26] <DarthFrog> iconmefisto: Thanks!  I'll go have a look.
[16:26] <boabsta> DarthFrog: yep, right now i'm using a chisel as a screwdriver and putting up with having to hard reset, its like windows 98 all over again - nightmare come true lol
[16:27] <iconmefisto> DarthFrog: look for "key sequence to kill the X server" in the advanced tab
[16:28] <DarthFrog> iconmefisto: I don't see Keyboard Layouts.
[16:29] <iconmefisto> DarthFrog: http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopf14438.jpg
[16:30] <ahmad> hi all, my postgresql8.4 refuse all connection from any application, either pgadmin3 nor any jdbc connections, any suggestions please.
[16:30] <iconmefisto> DarthFrog: sorry, it's in regional & language, keyboard layout
[16:31] <DarthFrog> iconmefisto: So it is.  Thank you.  What an ... odd location for it.
[16:31] <iconmefisto> DarthFrog: agreed
[16:32] <CartoonCat> hello. Anyone else using the DRI R300 mesa driver and google earth? ever since installing lucid ive had gfx issues with google earth (it worked fine in 9.10)
[16:33] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: i am getting this error" /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)."
[16:35] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: did the "chroot /mnt/disk" and "update-grub" work in your previous session?
[16:37] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: i wrongly mounted the sda2 in "/media/disk" insted of "/mnt/disk" but everthing else correctly. i got the same error that time, so i restarted the live session and tried exactly what you told me. i will paste my konsole texts now
[16:38] <DarthFrog>  /media/disk  or /mnt/disk makes no difference.  Just make the appropriate substitutions.
[16:39] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ok. here is my konsole texts --http://paste.ubuntu.com/435024/
[16:40] <DarthFrog> OK, this time, after the chroot command, type "grub-install /dev/sda".  What happens then?
[16:41] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: hey thats a good idea
[16:43] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: the command gives a message "Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.
[16:43] <ubuntu___> Please specify the module with the option `--modules' explicitly."
[16:44] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: sda2 is ext4
[16:45] <iconmefisto> ubuntu___: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[16:45] <DarthFrog> Aha, that's much  more detailed.
[16:46] <DarthFrog> iconmefisto: Thanks, that's very usefull.
[16:49]  * DarthFrog thinks Grub2 is a return to the old days of LILO when lilo had to be rerun to process config changes.
[16:50] <ubuntu___> iconmefisto: i tried that but i am getting this error "DarthFrog: the command gives a message "Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.
[16:50] <ubuntu___> Please specify the module with the option `--modules' explicitly.""
[16:51] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: Did you do the "mount --bind ..." commands shown in the wiki?
[16:51] <ubuntu___> no
[16:51] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: no
[16:52] <ubuntu____> qui et fr ?
[16:52] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: exit out of that chroot session and re-do it, as given in the wiki.  The "mount --bind" should cure your problem.
[16:52] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ok
[16:52] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog:  how to exit chroot session
[16:53] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: do i have to restart the computer
[16:53] <DarthFrog> No.  Just type "exit" in the terminal window that you are chroot'd in, so you exit the chroot.
[16:54] <DarthFrog> The /dev/sda2 mount should still be in effect.  Just issue the "mount --bind" commands given in the wiki, then do the chroot again and carry on.
[16:54] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ok
[16:54] <DarthFrog> BTW, chroot = "change root".
[16:55] <DarthFrog> You are changing the root directory from the Live CD to the one on your hard disk.
[17:00] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog:  what does this mean in that procedure "Now you need to edit the /etc/default/grub file to fit your system"
[17:01] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: If it was working before, don't bother.
[17:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: as it turns out, there's a simple workaround to the SSID Bug #422174 - I repeated it at the bottom of the report. In case it helps someone...
[17:01] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ok
[17:02] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: the grub has successfully updated , i will restart the computer and i will be back
[17:03] <DarthFrog> Good luck.
[17:07] <ForgeAus> argh gnome needs a 7mb package "example-content" hmmm ....
[17:13] <buckethead> So i've got a kubuntu 10.04 that won't boot after recent updates.. "AC'97 1 access is not valid [0xffffffff], removing mixer" "Unable to initialize codec #1"  Can anybody help?
[17:13] <ForgeAus> won't boot? wow thats harsh
[17:14] <buckethead> It won't do jack. Ctrl+Alt+Del will shut it down as expected, but no forward motion.
[17:14] <ForgeAus> buckethead, thats beyond my understanding of kubuntu
[17:14] <ForgeAus> can you try recovery mode?
[17:15] <buckethead> No change. I'm bringing up a Live CD now, but i'm not smart enough to know what to do from there.
[17:15] <ForgeAus> I mean all it gives you is busybox, would help if you know what to do in it
[17:15] <ForgeAus> well from liveCD you can reinstall
[17:15] <ForgeAus> but you lose anything that isn't backed up that way
[17:15] <ForgeAus> (I think you need alternative cd to upgrade)
[17:16] <DarthFrog> ForgeAus: Which is an excellent reason to have /home on a separate partition.
[17:16] <ForgeAus> DarthFrog: true
[17:16] <ForgeAus> I can't deny that one
[17:19] <ForgeAus> well I learnt that chroot doesn't change kernel and doesn't do boot/run levels, not sure if it sets env variables... (doubt it would) ...
[17:20] <buckethead> Is there a way I can apt-get from the livecd into the system and update again?
[17:21] <DarthFrog> buckethead: Yes.
[17:21] <buckethead> I'm not the smartest at all this "*nix" stuff. I'm learning by failing. Thankfully this isn't my main system, so I can afford to nuke if neccesary.
[17:22] <DarthFrog> buckethead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[17:22] <ForgeAus> I don't think tis grub thats the probem
[17:22] <ForgeAus> (its an audio error)
[17:22] <ForgeAus> that halts boot process somewhere along the line
[17:22] <DarthFrog> buckethead: Follow that up to and including the chroot statement.
[17:23] <DarthFrog> buckethead: At that point, you can apt-get your heart away.
[17:23] <ForgeAus> oh IC
[17:24] <buckethead> Aha. I appreciate it.
[17:24] <buckethead> Hopefully, someone smarter than me has retweaked whatever is failing me.
[17:29] <buckethead> DarthFrog: For whatever reason, I can't get to the internet from the chroot, but i'm browsing away on the livecd?
[17:30] <basajaun> hi need help with grub at command update grub I get /etc/grub.d/00_header: 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected
[17:32] <ForgeAus> whats the best dockbar for kde? is there one (that doesn't install half of gnome)
[17:32] <DarthFrog> buckethead: What does "netstat -r" tell you?  Put the output in a pastebin.
[17:33] <buckethead> /proc/net/route: No such file or directory   INET (IPv4) not configured on this system  <--It *used* to work, haha.
[17:34] <DarthFrog> buckethead: You did the "mount --bind" statements in that wiki article, didn't you?
[17:34] <buckethead> Yes.
[17:34] <ForgeAus> odd
[17:34] <DarthFrog> OK, please do the netstat command in another terminal (i.e. what does the Live CD session tell you).
[17:34] <ForgeAus> hmm /dev gets bound usually for chroots
[17:35] <basajaun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/ problem updating grub
[17:37] <buckethead> http://pastebin.com/AUD75M1Y  <-- Looks normal on the livecd side.
[17:38] <ForgeAus> something has corrupted/messed with your /dev? hmmm...
[17:38] <DarthFrog> Ah, you have a wireless connection.
[17:39] <buckethead> Unfortunately.
[17:39] <DarthFrog> That may be complicating matters.
[17:39] <DarthFrog> What do you get from "ifconfig" in the chroot?
[17:40] <buckethead> Okay, remounted the chroot. netstat -r now acts as expected. ping doesn't work and apt-get update doesn't work.
[17:40] <basajaun> have problem updating grub header 00 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/ can someone help?
[17:41] <buckethead> I added it to the pastebin.
[17:41] <DarthFrog> buckethead: Is the gateway output from netstat the same as it is in the LiveCD?
[17:42] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog:the grub was successfully installed but my linux installation entry was not listed
[17:42] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: So what happened?  What booted?
[17:43] <buckethead> Yes.
[17:44] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: in the grub menu list windows 7 was listed nothing else, i had windows 7 , recently removed it, i have windows xp in sda1
[17:44] <buckethead> Hm. Perhaps there is a way to just disable whatever is locking up the system (sound?) and then get it booting again.
[17:44] <buckethead> Sound isn't really a requirement on this machine. Booting, however, is slightly important.
[17:44] <DarthFrog> :-)
[17:45] <iconmefisto> buckethead: can you disable the sound hardware in bios?
[17:45] <buckethead> Ought to be. Trying.
[17:46] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: Did you try the "update-grub" command once you were properly chroot'ed?
[17:47] <buckethead> Nope. No disabling sound in bios.
[17:47] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ya it said it founf windows 7
[17:47] <ubuntu___> found
[17:47] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: But not your Kubuntu system?  Weird.
[17:47] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ya
[17:48] <DarthFrog> buckethead: In the BIOS, is sound set to AC97 or HD Audio?  Whichever one it is, try switching to the other.
[17:48] <ubuntu___> i checked the grub.cfg in the sda2 .i think it is ok
[17:48] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: should i paste the grub.cfg
[17:49] <DarthFrog> ubuntu___: No.
[17:49] <ubuntu___> DarthFrog: ok
[17:49] <iconmefisto> ubuntu___: you have just one disk, sda ?
[17:49] <ubuntu___> iconmefisto: ya
[17:49] <buckethead> Sys is too old for hd audio.. No options regarding sound in bios.
[17:49] <ubuntu___> iconmefisto: i was previously had 2
[17:51] <ubuntu___> iconmefisto: the second one contained the grub boot sector, the hard disk failed. the first one has the linux installation
[17:51] <iconmefisto> ubuntu___: see if /boot/grub/device.map has just the /dev/sda entry and no other disks
[17:51] <ubuntu___> iconmefisto: ok
[17:52] <DarthFrog> buckethead:  edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and remove the "quiet splash" options from the kernel line that boots your Kubuntu system.  Then reboot.
[17:52] <DarthFrog> That'll give you all the printk output and you can see just exactly where your system is hanging.
[17:52] <ubuntu___> iconmefisto: there is no such file
[17:55] <ForgeAus> xarchiver is kewl ark could learn alot from it
[17:57] <ozgur> slm
[17:59] <buckethead> Same errors as before.
[17:59] <DarthFrog> buckethead: Sorry, I'm out of ideas.
[18:02] <buckethead> Is there somewhere I can just comment out sound via the chroot?
[18:02] <basajaun> Question: have problem updating grub header 00 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/  can someone help?
[18:03] <iconmefisto> buckethead: you can blacklist the sound module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, if you know the name of the module
[18:03] <DarthFrog> hehe, I was just looking at that. :-)
[18:03] <buckethead> ac97* ?
[18:04] <DarthFrog> buckethead: Does sound work in the LiveCD?
[18:04] <zus> ok so i broke down and installed ccsm, that wont over ride my kwin settings untill i decide to use ccsm will it?
[18:05] <DarthFrog> If so, "lsmod | grep snd" will tell you which modules are loaded.
[18:05] <DarthFrog> Or just blacklist "snd" & "soundcore"
[18:06] <buckethead> Yes, sound functions in the livecd.
[18:09] <ForgeAus> whats ccsm?
[18:09] <maco> compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:09] <zus> yes
[18:09] <ForgeAus> ah compiz!
[18:09] <zus> i cant find it in settings though
[18:10] <zus> nor emerald
[18:10] <ForgeAus> formerly known as compiz-fusion
[18:10] <zus> ForgeAus,  aye
[18:10] <ForgeAus> formerly known as compiz and beryl separately ...
[18:11] <ForgeAus> kubuntu doesn't need compiz
[18:11] <maco> zus: emerald is dead
[18:11] <maco> emerald has been dead for years, just *finally* got it out of the ubuntu repos
[18:11] <ForgeAus> emerald is dead long live dekorator??
[18:12] <ForgeAus> or arorae engine?
[18:12] <maco> compiz can use kde-window-decorator (whichll use any kwin theme youve got) or gtk-window-decorator (ditto metacity themes)
[18:12] <zus> dekorator is default installed?
[18:12] <basajaun> Question: have problem updating grub header 00 1: Syntax error: "|" unexpected http://paste.ubuntu.com/435054/  can someone help?
[18:13] <ForgeAus> next we'll have animated decorators!
[18:13] <ForgeAus> lol
[18:13] <maco> beryl had emerald and when compiz-fusion merged, emerald was abandoned in short order, but people kept using it despite the fact there were no plans to fix its crasher bugs
[18:13] <buckethead> Just re-chrooted in and hit an aptitude safe-upgrade.. It's working this time. Lets hope it smashes whatever was broke at the same time.
[18:13] <ForgeAus> what replaced emerald?
[18:14] <maco> nothing
[18:14] <maco> they never got around to writing a replacement, and they strongly recommend people stick to the 2 decorators that are compatible with other wm's themes
[18:14] <Sonsee> hi all, is there some widget for quassel (or other irc client) so that I can put it right on my desktop?
[18:14] <ForgeAus> well dekorator and arorae are quite close
[18:15] <Sonsee> kde4.3
[18:15] <maco> i thought arorae was a theme engine for kwin themes?
[18:15] <iconmefisto> Sonsee: you mean instead of a window?
[18:15] <ForgeAus> sonsee you don't need a widget just an icon (.desktop file)
[18:15] <ForgeAus> maco that and dekorator are
 yes, like a blog-widget, but irc?
[18:16] <ForgeAus> oh uh I don't know
[18:16] <ForgeAus> I always thought konversation should have had a kpart!
[18:16] <ForgeAus> woudl be ideal for something like that... plasmersation? :)
[18:17] <zus> maco, is dekorator installed default
[18:17] <maco> dunno. i dont use kwin
[18:17] <ForgeAus> zus no
[18:17] <ForgeAus> dekorator can be added but themes? I dunno where to get dekorator themes from
[18:17] <maco> kde-look.org
 sorry, in my buffer was <Quassel>
[18:17] <ForgeAus> you can apt-get dekorator thats no problem
[18:17] <ForgeAus> ok thx maco :)
[18:17] <maco> or probably a GetHotNewStuff button somewhere around here
[18:18] <ForgeAus> PCLinuxOS has a package for them
[18:18] <maco> GHNS downloads themes from kde-look for you
[18:18] <maco> like when you see the "Get More Wallpapers..." button
[18:18] <ForgeAus> I can't find one for dekorator that has gethotnewstuff
[18:18] <ForgeAus> lots of kde has that yes
[18:18] <maco> well anyway i have to head to class
[18:18] <maco> bye
 like a blog-widget, but irc, can you advice something?
[18:19] <ForgeAus> cya maco
[18:19] <ForgeAus> hav fun
[18:19] <ForgeAus> sonsee ask in #KDE perhaps?
[18:19] <ForgeAus> or #plasma?
[18:19] <iconmefisto> Sonsee: none that I know of. maybe search http://kde-apps.org ?
[18:19] <ForgeAus> the only thing I Coudl think of that would work is if you had a web snippet thats a java applet
[18:20] <Sonsee> ok, thanks
[18:20] <ForgeAus> becasue theres a web snippet plasmoid
[18:20] <zus> once ccsm is installed where is it? i cant find it..
[18:20] <ForgeAus> and there are java applets that connect to IRC
[18:20] <ForgeAus> which would put an IRC on your desktop, not the best of ways tho
[18:21] <ForgeAus> zus try settings menu?
[18:21] <ForgeAus> or that package kappfinder? (or something like that)
[18:22] <zus> forgus im in the settings menu also 10-4 kde4.4.3 if that helps
[18:22] <ForgeAus> or try typing ccsm in cli and see what happens?
[18:22] <ForgeAus> zus no it deosn't help
[18:22] <ForgeAus> it might not be called compiz maybe "Desktop effects" or something like that
[18:22] <ForgeAus> (I know it was that in Intrepid)
[18:23] <zus> ForgeAus,  i would have thought that simple settings would still be the same through most upgrades
[18:23] <ForgeAus> some are some aren't
[18:23] <ForgeAus> depends on how things change
[18:24] <ForgeAus> the ubuntu (gnome) installs compiz by default these days..
[18:24] <ForgeAus> I don't recall it doing that way back in edgy, and fiesty, etc...
[18:25] <ForgeAus> about the only thing I like about Gnome, is aislrot the cardgames! :)
[18:25] <zus> um lol i just ran ccsm  as cli. there seems to be hardly anything to it. before in gnome there was  tons of items
[18:26] <AhmedBH> zus:Where's James
[18:26]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[18:27] <zus> it just looked different. dekorator  wouldnt overwirte my default kwin will it?, till i need it
[18:27] <ForgeAus> lol gstreamer-plugins-good, gstreamer-plugins-bad, gstream-plugins-ugly! rofl
[18:28] <ForgeAus> dekorator is a kwin theme it doesn't overwrite anything but you can change to (or from) it
[18:28] <zus> not sure where james is today
[18:28] <ForgeAus> you need to go to your system-settings to change it to begin with
[18:29] <ForgeAus> (but I don't think the ubuntu package has any themes there, just the bare shell of dekorator so if you use it you'll nly get "themeless" windows (ie as if they don't have a decorator)
[18:29] <ForgeAus> the kde-style (you widgets won't change any you just loose the close button/minimize/titlebar/etc...parts until you install some themes for dekorator)
[18:30] <ForgeAus> or chose another decorator type
[18:31] <ForgeAus> so zus what I mean is to say that I recommend getting themes for it before you try changing to dekorator
[18:32] <ForgeAus> not sure if theres an ubuntu package for them)
[18:32] <ForgeAus> !dekorator
[18:32] <phoenix__> DarthFrog: hello, i have successfully installed the grub and i have logged into my linux installation, thanks to you
[18:33] <ForgeAus> kwin-style-dekorator is the package name for dekorator itself (but I don't think that comes with any themes)
[18:33] <ForgeAus> !kwin-style-dekorator
[18:33] <phoenix__> iconmefisto: i have successfully installed the grub and i have logged into my linux installation, thank you, i have learned something from you people
[18:33] <ForgeAus> !info kwin-style-dekorator
[18:34] <ForgeAus> ahh user-supplied png files
[18:34] <iconmefisto> phoenix__: what fixed it? I'm assuming you were ubuntu___
[18:35] <phoenix__> iconmefisto: ya its me
[18:35] <phoenix__> iconmefisto: i replace the grub.cfg with the old grub.cfg file
[18:36] <swapy> hmm
[18:36] <swapy> fine
[18:36] <phoenix__> iconmefisto: i am wondering why update-grub was not able to find the linux installation
[18:38] <ForgeAus> yikes gnome even has a gnome-disk-utility package (if thats a disk paritioner? how OSX of it!)
[18:39] <zus> is there a tutorial or how-to on making dekorator skins?
[18:47] <ForgeAus> zus google is our friend
[18:47] <ForgeAus> also kde-look.org might have themes
[18:48] <zus> ForgeAus,  i got sent to kde-look-org.  but im trying to look for how to make themes,
[18:49] <ForgeAus> anther option could be to go to http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/12909475/com/kde4-dekorator-themes-1.0-2pclos2010.i586.rpm.html and extract them from the rpm there (ouch but its possible note: you can't install that package in ubuntu I don't think)
[18:50] <ForgeAus> I'm also not enirely sure of where they actually belong in the directory tree either
[18:52] <ForgeAus> (Another option would be to use the alien tool on it normally I wouldn't suggest it but that package is just a bunch of pictures, so theres no compiling or binaries to mess up your system I don't think)
[18:53] <ForgeAus> as to if dekorator is in the same place in PCLinuxOS as it is in ubuntu I don't know either
[18:56] <ForgeAus> to actually make the themes you can use something like inkscape you don't need an actual tool other than a drawing program
[18:56] <ForgeAus> you probably do need to name them correctly tho for each segment
[18:57] <ForgeAus> I would recommend using a pre-made theme as a template
[18:57] <zus> i will look in to it
[18:57] <zus> i was gonna say that
[18:57] <zus>  brb...
[19:03] <zus> im back
[19:03] <zus> what is pclinuxos based on? or is it its own distro?
[19:04] <swapy> hello guys
[19:08] <Lantizia> Has anyone else noticed when you view the connection info (by right clicking say Auth eth0) on KNetworkManager... the Nameservers are written BACKWARDS? :D
[19:11] <ForgeAus> PClinuxOS was based on Mandriva
[19:12] <ForgeAus> uses apt-get but for rpm's not .debs
[19:12] <ForgeAus> (ie apt-rpm)
[19:12] <ForgeAus> its pretty divergent from Mandriva tho
[19:12] <ForgeAus> not abad distro imho for a .rpm base
[19:13] <zus> i've got the iso for pclinux os... just need a disc to install on my gimpy pc (only 512mb)
[19:14] <zus> (ram)
[19:14] <jimmy51_> in KDE, when i click on a task in the task tray, it maximizes it.  how come clicking it again doesn't minimize it?
[19:14] <ForgeAus> hehe you could always use virtualbox or qemu
[19:14] <Pici> zus: This is not a pclinuxos support channel.
[19:14] <Lantizia> no it's a lack of kubuntu support channel.
[19:15] <Ahox> phoenix__,  can you past the url you used for that
[19:16] <phoenix__> Ahox: http://imagebin.antiyes.com/index645.html
[19:16] <Ahox> jimmy51_,  what task manager do you use?
[19:16] <ForgeAus> Lantizia: I don't really use KnetworkManager much but I did find something was written backwards somewhere else... forgot where but when I went back there it was normal
[19:16] <Ahox> phoenix__,  no I meant the precise google url you used
[19:16] <swapy> kubuntu dosent have software center toooooooo sad to know
[19:16] <Ahox> I am just way to lazy to type it manually
[19:16] <ForgeAus> I figured it was just one of those things
[19:16] <jimmy51_> Ahox: i just mean the system task bar.
[19:17] <swapy> Ahox: system monitor is task manager in kubuntu\
[19:17] <Pici> Lantizia: Do you mean the PTR records? They are supposed to be written that way.
[19:17] <Lantizia> ForgeAus, and on 10.04 is crashes allllll the time (got it crashing on more than one machine of different specs for the same reason)
[19:17] <ForgeAus> swapy Maverick will either have a better kpackagekit or something to replace it
[19:17] <Lantizia> Pici, no not PTR
[19:17] <phoenix__> Ahox: http://www.google.com
[19:17] <ForgeAus> Lantizia: thats odd, its quite stable here
[19:17] <swapy> did 9.10 had kpackage kit or software center
[19:17] <Lantizia> KNetManager I mean
[19:17] <Ahox> jimmy51_,  there are several ones, (Task Manager, Smooth Task, etc) so I assume you use the default one?
[19:17] <ForgeAus> but I"m using Wubi to run it thru
[19:17] <ForgeAus> (not sure if that makes any difference)
[19:17] <Lantizia> it's only when you change something however
[19:18] <Ahox> phoenix__,  the url in the screenshot is a bit longer than that
[19:18] <jimmy51_> Ahox: whatever is the default Task Manager in KDE 4.  When i right click on it I get a "Task Manager Settings" option
[19:18] <phoenix__> Ahox: i went into the google homepage and just searched "hello"
[19:18] <ForgeAus> isn't smoothtask the default one? (I tend to replace the menu with lancelot where possible)
[19:19] <Ahox> phoenix__,  yes, and can you please past the link you got then. Just copy it from the address bar
[19:19] <phoenix__> Ahox: the snapshot shows the search results for "hello"
[19:19] <Ahox> phoenix__,  it shows it for your system settings (language, etc)
[19:19] <ForgeAus> ok jimmy its not smoothtask then
[19:19] <phoenix__> Ahox: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=hello&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[19:20] <Ahox> thanks, thought it looks fine here. Which kde/rekonq version do you use?
[19:20] <phoenix__> Ahox: i am getting this error in konqueror and rekonq
[19:20] <Ahox> so you use the webkit plugin for konqui?
[19:21] <phoenix__> Ahox: rekonq Version 0.4.68
[19:21] <phoenix__> Ahox: i dont know about the plugin
[19:22] <Ahox> phoenix__,  is this compiled from head?
[19:22] <Ahox> Because I use the one coming with kubuntu (0.4.0) and it works fine
[19:22] <jimmy51_> so.... is that expected behavior for clicking to maximize to work, but clicking again doesn't minimize?
[19:22] <phoenix__> Ahox: it is the default one that is installed
[19:23] <phoenix__> Ahox:  i installed qt creator. does that affect
[19:23] <Ahox> phoenix__,  I don't know about that, sorry. But kubuntu comes with the 0.4.0
[19:24] <Ahox> (and this includes the kubuntu-ppa already)
[19:25] <phoenix__> Ahox: i will check that out
[19:47] <Klanticus> is there an specific channel for questions about the netbook remix?
[19:48] <Pici> Klanticus: Nope.
[19:49] <Klanticus> ok.. so I'll ask here. Shouldn't the menu bar in the netbook remix be always over the application windows?
[19:53] <Monika> Are Arora and rekonq siblings?
[19:54] <olskolirc> can someone find out for me who this is please? <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:54] <Pici> olskolirc: ns4.fdcservers.net
[19:55] <olskolirc> how did you do that Pica?
[19:56] <Pici> olskolirc: dig -x <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:56] <olskolirc> ahhhh
[19:56] <olskolirc> yeah nslookup is out
[19:57] <olskolirc> dig is in
[19:57] <Pici> dig is the new nslookup :)
[20:07] <ForgeAus> Monika if your still around rekonq is Arora-based afaik
[20:07] <ForgeAus> so they're related, yes...
[20:07] <ForgeAus> but siblings probably not
[20:07] <Monika> am still around
[20:07] <Monika> thank you
[20:07] <Monika> well, somehow closely related
[20:08] <Snarkster> i need some helping selecting several thousand files from several hundred directories. what is the best way to do this?
[20:08] <Monika> I've a forum and the layout is wrong in one way in both (and in another way in most of the other browsers except Chromium and IE)
[20:08] <ForgeAus> lol
[20:09] <ForgeAus> not sure what rendering engine chromium uses but your "most other browsers" might be becaus e they're gecko based?
[20:16] <Monika> not really
[20:16] <Monika> Firefox, Opera, Konqueror
[20:16] <Monika> three different engines I think
[20:16] <Monika> and I thought Konqueror, Arora and rekonq have the same, but not sure
[20:17] <Monika> and the strange thing is in Firefox on Windows it looks good, same release
[20:20] <ForgeAus> Konqueror uses webkit I think... not sure what arora and rekonq use possibly webkit as well (but better codebase)
[20:21] <ForgeAus> I don't know Opera's engine either...
[20:21] <Monika> I think "Opera engine" ;)
[20:22] <ForgeAus> I know IE's used to be something like Trident
[20:22] <ForgeAus> (not sure if it still is or not)
[20:23] <ForgeAus> Safari's is called nitro or someting now (I think its related to webkit too )
[20:23] <Monika> WP says, Opera's engine is called "Presto"
[20:23] <ForgeAus> ahh yesthats it :)
[20:24] <ForgeAus> I remember I saw that now
[20:24] <Monika> ah, the good old times, when Opera was not free of charge and had ads ... ;)
[20:25] <Monika> WP says, IE on Windows uses Trident, IE on Mac uses Tasman.
[20:25] <ForgeAus> ie on mac! did theymake a new one or something? if not thats far to old to be in consideration
[20:26] <ForgeAus> like pre 10.3.x old
[20:26] <ForgeAus> back in the days where netscape lived...
[20:27] <Monika> hm, it says 5.2.3 was the last IE version for Mac
[20:27] <ForgeAus> yup that'd be about it
[20:27] <Monika> so about a million years ago in internet years
[20:27] <ForgeAus> winXP is IE6
[20:27] <ForgeAus> exactly
[20:27] <ForgeAus> lightyeas ago
[20:28] <ForgeAus> interesting they have a diff name for their Mac engine to their windows one tho
[20:29] <ForgeAus> Microsoft are shareholders in Apple btw... so maybe they think its in their best interest to make mac software?
[20:29] <ForgeAus> although IE has been sorely lacking if thats in any way true
[20:30] <ForgeAus> (which is strange because if they are going to i would have thought with mac currently working on predominantly Intel hardware, it would be microsofts playground to toy with flooding Apple with software..
[20:31] <Monika> but lightyears are distances not times
[20:31] <ForgeAus> instead theres mostly just MS office, messenger and one or two other apps...
[20:31] <ForgeAus> Monika how observant of you, caught me out... wait now is the time I should be saying "just checking you were on the ball" right?
[20:32] <Monika> and were you? ^^
[20:32]  * ForgeAus smiles widely
[20:33] <Monika> last October I wanted to see how far Firefox usage has overtaken IE usage ... analyzed the access_logs to my site ... 50% Firefox, 25% IE, even better than I thought it would be
[20:33]  * ForgeAus recalls the joke about a one-armed fisherman demonstrating how long the fish he caught was... (by holding out his arm horizontally and not having another end to measure it by!)
[20:34] <Monika> hm?
[20:34] <ckpuM> maybe everything will change when IE9 comes out
[20:35] <ForgeAus> ie9 will use directx to assist with its rendering
[20:35] <ForgeAus> its about time they cottonned on to doing that
[20:35] <Monika> only 1.1% Linux users though :'( I had hoped for like 3%
[20:36] <ForgeAus> thats if you can believe those stats
[20:36] <Monika> well, just my website
[20:37] <ForgeAus> based on what user-agents?
[20:37] <ForgeAus> I can use IE in wine (ie running linux) ...
[20:38] <Monika> I did this, too, today, to check what the forum looks like
[20:38] <Monika> but nobody would do that for surfing
[20:38] <ForgeAus> lol the second ie there was i.e. as in id est not Internet explorer)
[20:38] <ForgeAus> I've surfed that way before
[20:38] <ForgeAus> back when I was new to linux I felt more comfy in that dingy little app... that looked terrible in linux! lol
[20:39] <Monika> I use this program http://de.pastebin.ca/1736857 for analyzing
[20:39] <Monika> but it's so slow, I needed like 10 minutes to get the forum to open
[20:41] <ForgeAus> kde4win doesn't seem to have made much of an impact on windows
[20:41] <BluesKaj> I tried installing lucid but gdm but can' get past plymouth , I 've heard there are probs with nvidia 6150 onboard 64 bit drivers , is that so ?
[20:42] <ForgeAus> whats plymouth?
[20:42] <BluesKaj> it's just page that comes up while OS etc loads
[20:42] <ForgeAus> BluesKaj: hehe normally your helping me uh as for drivers, being 64-bit could be the issue....
[20:43] <ForgeAus> oh you mean that formerly progress-bar screen?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> it's  2 yr old pc that I inherited , maybe <i should just install the x86 version
[20:44] <ForgeAus> well I can't guarantee that will work either but it seems more... suitable
[20:44] <ForgeAus> note I said *could* be the issue...
[20:45] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, well, it used to vista 32 bit , but the processer is 64 bit
[20:45] <BluesKaj> have
[20:45] <ForgeAus> hehe I'm using wubi with a notebook like that
[20:46] <ForgeAus> only 32-bit kubuntu
[20:46] <BluesKaj> I have lucid on this laptop , and it works great
[20:46] <ForgeAus> processor is 64-bit (aren't all core2duo's 64-bit?)
[20:46] <Monika> there no problems with 64 bit Kubuntu anymore
[20:46] <ForgeAus> same here, quite stable sofar
[20:46] <Monika> for like 2 years already
[20:47] <ForgeAus> cept for 2 occasions where it didn't boot but resetting fixed that
[20:47] <Monika> before that: no Flash, no Opera and stuff
[20:47] <ForgeAus> flash 64 bit was a big pain
[20:47] <ForgeAus> took SOO long overall for them to release it
[20:47] <ForgeAus> not just for linux either
[20:48] <Monika> 64 bit Windows has driver problems
[20:48] <Monika> if they don't recompile them, there aren't any ^^
[20:48] <Monika> all in all Linux was a bit a head with 64 bit
[20:48] <ForgeAus> good to know
[20:48] <ForgeAus> linux is pretty solid one way or another
[20:50] <Monika> but the advance in 64 bit should have brought us world leadership: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html
[20:50] <Monika> didn't work out :'(
[20:50] <ForgeAus> you should know better than to put all your trust in theory
[20:50] <ForgeAus> look at more's law!
[20:51] <ForgeAus> how silly!
[20:51] <Monika> that capacity doubles in 1.5 years?
[20:51] <Monika> isn't it still true?
[20:51] <ForgeAus> something like that
[20:51] <harjot> how do i have like virtual desktops
[20:51] <harjot> Ive got the thing
[20:52] <harjot> the normal way
[20:52] <ForgeAus> well if it is, not because of any universal law, its because hardware manufacturers are taking that as their target!
[20:52] <harjot> but i want the windows to disappear unless the virtual desktop is there
[20:52] <ForgeAus> harjot I don't understand
[20:53] <harjot> i want everything to disappear unless the virtual desktop is open
[20:53] <harjot> like a mac
[20:53] <Monika> ForgeAus do you know the article?
[20:53] <ForgeAus> no
[20:53] <Monika> he shows how everything changed from 8 to 16 and from 16 to 32 bits
[20:53] <Monika> it sounds all very logical
[20:54] <ForgeAus> but?
[20:54] <Monika> nothing but
[20:54] <Monika> we did not succeed
[20:54] <harjot> is there a way to make virtual desktops work more like a mac
[20:55] <Monika> how do they work on Mac?
[20:55] <ForgeAus> harjot spaces?
[20:55] <harjot> everytihng goes away including stuff on the taskbar
[20:55] <ForgeAus> just add desktops and switch to the desktop
[20:55] <harjot> yeah but the stuff on the taskbar doesnt go
[20:55] <ForgeAus> you can configure if taskbar shows them or not
[20:55] <harjot> really?
[20:56] <ForgeAus> rightlcikc the taskbar and select the option
[20:56] <harjot> let me check
[20:56] <ForgeAus> yes really
[20:56] <ForgeAus> (should be able to anyway)
[20:56] <ForgeAus> if not try smoothtask isntead of the normal task manager
[20:57] <ForgeAus> (kinda like a deluxe vers anyway)
[20:57] <harjot> ForgeAus: i cant hide them'
[20:57] <ForgeAus> hmmm....
[20:57] <ForgeAus> unfortunately I'm stuck in LXDE right now
[20:57] <ForgeAus> brb...
[20:58] <Monika> you just want to autohide it?
[20:58] <Monika> click on the nut symbol at the side
[20:58] <Monika> then on further settings
[20:58] <Monika> then switch to hiding automatically
[20:59] <Dyrcona> I think he wants the applications to disappear from the panel when he changes virtual desktops.
[20:59] <harjot> im trying to make them hide if their not on the current desktop
[20:59] <harjot> yeah
[20:59] <ForgeAus> Drycona theres definitely that option somewhere
[20:59] <ForgeAus> I remember seeing it
[21:00] <ForgeAus> if the normal taskbar doesn't have it, then smoothtask does or its an option somewhere else
[21:00] <ForgeAus> yes ok harjot, click the "cashew" at the end of the taskbar
[21:01] <harjot> im not on kde4
[21:01] <harjot> im on kde3
[21:01] <ForgeAus> remove your task manager plasmoid (the part of the taskbar that actually shows running apps, it should show a 4-pointed arrow over it)
[21:01] <ForgeAus> oh...
[21:01] <harjot> im on kde3
[21:01] <ForgeAus> uh, not sure how to do it in KDE3
[21:01] <CartoonCat> What is the best way to rever the graphics driver (DRI R300) back a revision or two, or even back to what is used in 9.10?
[21:01] <harjot> Its not built in it seems
[21:01] <ForgeAus> I guess not
[21:01] <ForgeAus> never really noticed that
[21:02] <Monika> KDE 3 o.o
[21:03] <Monika> but there it was possible, too
[21:03] <Monika> you could even have buttons on the right and left to hide manually
[21:03] <ForgeAus> possbily but I have no idea where
[21:03] <Monika> but auto-hide was possible, too
[21:03] <Monika> oh sorry, didn't read everything
[21:03] <ForgeAus> no Monika not autohide
[21:03] <Monika> on KDE 3, right-click on the taskbar
[21:03] <Monika> there is a checkmark for this
[21:03] <ForgeAus> that just makes the whole bar vanish
[21:03] <Monika> for either showing all apps
[21:03] <Monika> or only from current desktop
[21:03] <ForgeAus> he wasn't only the running tasks from other desktops to be hidden
[21:03] <harjot> where?
[21:04] <Monika> wait a sec, I look in my old slides
[21:04] <Monika> I used to mention this in my talks
[21:04] <ForgeAus> kewl ...
[21:04] <Monika> because I found the default setting so annoying
[21:04] <ForgeAus> smoothtask in kde4 has that very option , I wouldnt' be suprised if KDE3 has it I just didn't know where
[21:05] <Monika> it was right there
[21:05] <ForgeAus> harjot what version of kubuntu do you have?
[21:05]  * Dyrcona would like to replace panel with something more like the Mac OS X dock, but that's for another day.
[21:05] <harjot> kubuntu 8.04
[21:05] <ForgeAus> thats like hardy or something?
[21:05] <harjot> hardy
[21:06] <ForgeAus> Dyrcona, its ok for Gnome to use docky but very few kde alternatives
[21:06] <harjot> so any idea for doing what i said
[21:06] <ForgeAus> without installing lot of gnome bits
[21:06] <Monika> harjot: right-click -> "adjust control bar" -> "adjust window bar" -> remove the [x] for "show windows of all desktops"
[21:07] <Monika> might not be the exact text, I am translating this from German to English
[21:07] <ForgeAus> (more bits of gnome than the dockbar app itself takes anyway)
[21:07] <harjot> tight click wherE?
[21:07] <Monika> on the task bar
[21:07] <Monika> in a free area
[21:08] <ForgeAus> Monika its probably panel or taskmanager isntead of control bar... and window bar
[21:08] <Monika> when you have too many windows open it is hard
[21:08] <ForgeAus> uh if your showing the grippies you can click on the uparrow at the start of the taskbar to do the same as rightclicking it I think
[21:08] <ForgeAus> (in KDE3)
[21:09] <harjot> i cant find adjust control bar
[21:09] <Monika> might be panel
[21:09] <ForgeAus> it won't be called that, but what does show up in that list?
[21:09] <ForgeAus> (this is going to go to kcontrol I Can see that happening
[21:09] <ForgeAus> )
[21:10] <Hazamonzo> Folks. Why would my xorg eat 25% of my CPU from time to time for no reason at all?
[21:10] <Hazamonzo> It happens every couple of hours and lasts about 5 minutes. Very annoying
[21:10] <Hazamonzo> Is there some kind of process thats happening on kubunut 10.04?
[21:13] <ForgeAus> well Hazamonzo I'm certain it has a reason....
[21:14] <ForgeAus> I just don't know what that reason is!
[21:14] <ForgeAus> (nepomuk or akondai doing some background indexing or something perhaps?)
[21:15]  * ForgeAus shrugs I can only speculate...
[21:17] <Hazamonzo> ForgeAus: Well the thing is i check the processes and its just xorg
[21:18] <Hazamonzo> consuming the 25% that is
[21:18] <Hazamonzo> nepomuk i sstopped from running a little while back
[21:18] <ForgeAus> so what happens if you say use fluxbox instead does xorg still do that?
[21:18] <Hazamonzo> I think it has something to do with the fact my ATI drivers blow chunks
[21:18] <ForgeAus> yeah possibly
[21:19] <Hazamonzo> ForgeAus: Im afraid im not familiar with Fluxbox
[21:19] <ForgeAus> its an alternative window manager
[21:19] <Hazamonzo> oh, interesting
[21:19] <ForgeAus> very lightweight, but you don't get the functionality out of it you do KDE of course
[21:19] <Hazamonzo> i guess it choose it when i log in right?
[21:19] <ForgeAus> yeah the down arrow in the login screen for lucid
[21:20] <ForgeAus> thers usually some kdm control that gives you a menu in earlier verstions
[21:20] <Hazamonzo> yeah i think ive installed other... window managers in the past
[21:20] <Hazamonzo> a very basic looking one
[21:20] <Hazamonzo> Can't remember the name though
[21:21] <ForgeAus> they're generally a matter of preference, imho KDE (which kubuntu is based on) is the best...
[21:21] <ForgeAus> but for diagnostic purposes something life fluxbox might be useful with your particular question
[21:21] <ForgeAus> (I don't expect you to stay there btw)
[21:21] <Hazamonzo> ForgeAus: Sure i agree.  I was a silly bugger to go AIT this time
[21:22] <Hazamonzo> *ATI
[21:22] <ForgeAus> note if you wanted to use fluxbox (openbox, blackbox, LXDE or IceWM or something light, you need to apt-get it or use kpackagekit)
[21:22] <ForgeAus> Nvidia is also proprietary drivers for Linux
[21:22] <Hazamonzo> ForgeAus: Sure that isn't a problem.
[21:22] <ForgeAus> not much different
[21:23] <Hazamonzo> ForgeAus: Yeah they just seem to work ALOT better
[21:23] <Hazamonzo> Ive tried the radeon and FGLRX driver with no luck (good performance and composition)
[21:24] <Hazamonzo> But i don't think it makes a whole lot of different at the moment. I can see my screen so i can work. All i can ask for i guess :)
[21:25] <Hazamonzo> Just when this xorg starts eating my CPU for no apparent reason its a little annoying...

[21:26] <avihay_farm> xorg or ntop?
[21:26] <Hazamonzo> avihay_farm: Well looking at the system activity moniter it looks like xorg
[21:28] <Twey> But that's tricky, because lots of things can cause X.org to lots of resources when it's they that are the real problem
[21:28] <ForgeAus> gnome's software centre is also based of packagekit right?
[21:28] <Hazamonzo> Twey: I see...
[21:29] <Hazamonzo> Twey: Any way i can narrow it down?
[21:30] <Twey> Not that I know o
[21:30] <Twey> Not that I know of, other than killing things and waiting for it to stop
[21:30] <Hazamonzo> ugh... i don't mind when little things don't work with ubuntu but this is getting increasingly difficult to use at all
[21:30] <Hazamonzo> Twey: Heheh, dangerous
[21:31] <Twey> Well, it's usually something fairly obvious, like your browser or DE
[21:35] <julio-PE> my splash screen is freeze at the third icon... i can't login into KDE :( i'm here because Fluxbox... what i do that causes this problem? the only thing i remember was yesterday when i install and purge paman=PulseAudio Manager, someone can help?
[21:43] <LuisJa> Hello people can you help me make my sda3 partition than contains my home the sda1 home
[21:46] <razed1> guys, in order to log in to my work box (Windows 7), i have to specify a TS Gateway Server in the Windows RDP client... can anyone help me set up KRDC to do this so i don't have to use Windows at home?
[21:48] <LuisJa> Hello people can you help me make my sda3 partition than contains my home the sda1 home
[21:48] <LuisJa> Hello people can you help me make my sda3 partition than contains my home the sda1 home, i just make a fresh install and i dont remember the steps
[21:50] <Monika> repeating isn't all that helpful
[21:51] <Monika> but fixing the spelling errors so that it makes more sense might help
[21:51] <Monika> I can guess than is that
[21:51] <Monika> but I still don't understand the question fully
[21:51] <Monika> how are your partitions now and what do you want to achieve?
[21:51] <dErzOnk> is there a programm to minimize any programm into "info-area/Benachrichtigungsbereich" at taskbar - like in Windows?
[21:51] <razed1> i'm reading very recent posts on linux-questions.org that seem to indicate that linux has no TS Gateway support... that's disappointing...
[21:59] <Gecko> Hey, KDE seems to forget my dual monitor setup every time I reboot. Is there any way to fix this?
[22:03] <Monika> are you running KRandRTray?
[22:03] <Monika> leaving it running should store the setting
[22:03] <Monika> but since the Upgrade to Kubuntu 4.4 it's not working anymore for me -.-
[22:03] <Monika> forgets now every time anyway
[22:04] <Monika> 10.04 I mean
[22:04] <Monika> I know have a script on my desktop with this line "xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto && xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of VGA-0" (don't copy, you need to adjust it for your monitors!)
[22:04] <Monika> s/know/now
[22:04] <Monika> and click on it after reboot or restart of X server
[22:06] <gosevo> HI all
[22:08] <ForgeAus> Monika 2k3 was when IE (on Tasman) for Macintosh was discontinued
[22:08] <ForgeAus> but interestingly the Tasman engine continued on
[22:08] <Monika> what is it used for?
[22:08] <ForgeAus> it just wasn't in microsoft software I take it
[22:08] <ForgeAus> will get back to you once I know
[22:08] <gosevo> problems Opengl with Nvidia 9600 GT KUBUNTU 10.04
[22:09] <ForgeAus> oh wait I lied, didn't expect this one
[22:09] <ForgeAus> MSN for MacOSX and OFfice 2k4 also use tasman engine
[22:09] <ForgeAus> (both microsoft products)
[22:19] <Monika> gotta go to bed
[22:19] <Monika> gn8
[22:20] <Rondo> hi I'm new to kubuntu and have some dummy questions, such as: hotkey to invoke system monitor? or way to establish keyboard shortcuts?
[22:20] <Monika> Ctrl+Esc
[22:20] <Rondo> Monica: sweet thanks
[22:20] <Monika> K -> System Settings, there are also keyboard short cuts, you will see it
[22:21] <Monika> or right click on an icon or anything
[22:21] <Monika> you can always set something
[22:21] <Monika> but now I gotta go
[22:21] <Rondo> Monika: well that answers that thanks a lot
[22:35] <dErzOnk> When i use Firefox and write there  theres a spelling check in english where can i change it to german (and english) - or switch it off?
[22:41] <harjot> how do i hide everything on one virtual desktop, including the desktop itself
[23:10] <Rondo> hi can anybody tell me how to disable (permanently) screensaver?
[23:12] <Mamarok> Rondo: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Saver
[23:13] <Rondo> Mamarok: yes i did that but it won't seem to stick. I'd like to uninstall screensaver
[23:13] <Rondo> I don't need it at all, my monitor has its own
[23:17] <Mamarok> Rondo: then remove the *screensaver packages
[23:17] <Mamarok> but you might check the Power Management first, in the advanced settings of the system Settings
[23:17] <Mamarok> might be that it triggers the screensaver
[23:18] <Rondo> Mamarok: thanks i'll try that. I'm still learning the many uses of the *
[23:18] <Mamarok> I did set one that doesn't kick in
[23:22] <dErzOnk> is there a programm to minimize any programm into "info-area/Benachrichtigungsbereich" at taskbar - like in Windows?
[23:23] <Rondo> Mamarok: yes I dsabled power management from startup so it's not that. I greatly appreciate the ability to simply remove things that you don't like
[23:23] <Rondo> lighter, faster, better!
[23:24] <Luija1006> Hello people please I need help: Kate is having error opening .js greasemonkey scripts: when I click edit with greasemonkey this error windows appears http://i39.tinypic.com/24msuna.png , but in 9.10 kate opened the greasemonkey scripts perfectly, whats going on?
[23:25] <oxymoron> Hello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on
[23:29] <oxymoron> Hello guys I am on my girls computer and need help with graphics on a SiS 671MX where I cannot change resolution higher than 800x600 and plymouth shows flimmer and ant wars on bootup, the desktop effects doesnt work turning on
[23:29] <Rondo> oxymoron: a)is that an ATI or nVidia card? b)desktop effects don't do anything useful, you're better off without them IMO
[23:31] <oxymoron> Rondo: a) None of them ... its Silicon Integrated chipset on a laptop 671MX b) Maybe so, but still
[23:32] <Rondo> oxymoron: menu -> system -> hardware drivers. nice applet to diagnose what is the best driver for your hardware and fetch it for you
[23:33] <Luija1006> Hello people please I need help: Kate is having error opening .js greasemonkey scripts: when I click edit with greasemonkey this error windows appears http://i39.tinypic.com/24msuna.png , but in 9.10 kate opened the greasemonkey scripts perfectly, whats going on?
[23:33] <oxymoron> Rondo: Yeah I know, but Jockey doesnt find anything for SiS ... only proprietary drivers for nvidia and ATI *sigh* ...
[23:33] <Rondo> oxymoron: I'm guessing you're dealing with a laptop, huh?
[23:34] <xok> hello...
[23:34] <xok> I am having problems installing kubuntu over NFS..
[23:34] <dErzOnk> oxymoron: u read this? http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9280827
[23:34] <xok> does anyone know why I get message:
[23:34] <xok> "Please provide a name for this Disc, such as 'Debian 5.0.3 Disk 1' : " when I try to install kubuntu over NFS?..
[23:35] <oxymoron> Rondo: Yes and its really annoying to not being able to fix my girls computer bcause Winblows didnt wokr properly and now Linux
[23:35] <xok> and it stucks right there...
[23:35] <xok> doesn't do anything, I'm not even able to type anything...
[23:35] <Rondo> oxymoron: if an onboard laptop video chip is what you're working with I can guarantee desktop effects will not help performance
[23:35] <oxymoron> dErzOnk: Yeah probably and last time using ubuntuforums raphics crashed
[23:35] <oxymoron> *graphics
[23:35] <xok> ALT+ENTER shows the kubuntu logo loading, but it doesn't really load...
[23:36] <xok> anyone please?..
[23:36] <dErzOnk> oxymoron: sorry i ain't have a clue - i'm just fucking new into linux :(
[23:36] <Rondo> oxymoron: sorry I don't know SiS chip issues. you could google forums for "Dell 12345" for example to find particulars of that machine
[23:37] <oxymoron> Rondo: Neither do I, hats why I ask here ...
[23:38] <Rondo> oxymoron: but you can find make and model of that laptop, right?
[23:38] <dErzOnk> how do you guys always put the name to who you answer in? Or do you type it or copy/past ?
[23:38] <xok> dErzOnk, first letter then ALT..
[23:38] <xok> sorry..
[23:38] <xok> TAB.. :-D
[23:38] <Mamarok> Luija1006: try opening it with another editor like nano?
[23:39] <dErzOnk> xok, thanks!
[23:39] <xok> dErzOnk, TAB...
[23:39] <dErzOnk> ;)
[23:39] <xok> dErzOnk, yw.. ;-)
[23:39] <Mamarok> oxymoron: SiS graphic cards have very poor Linux support, don't get too many hopes on these
[23:39] <xok> has anyone tried kubuntu installation over NFS?...
[23:39] <xok> I'm stuck here.. ;-(
[23:39] <Rondo> oxymoron: try this: click on the orange yin-yang in the corner, click add widget, scroll right and get the System Monitor that looks like a green pci board with a blue "i"
[23:40] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Oh crap, I just want higher resolution than 800x600 for my girl
[23:40] <Mamarok> xok: very bad idea, you should use ext4
[23:40] <Rondo> oxymoron: that widget lays out all the particulars of you hardware. can make your googling easier
[23:40] <xok> Mamarok, thanks for response, but are you sure you know what problem I have?..
[23:40] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Then I thought suprgeeks on Linux always fix OLD things and integrate things....
[23:40] <Mamarok> oxymoron: try goolging if you can find sloething, but I have very little hopes, I even never managed to isntall a Linux distribution on an older laptop of mine because of such a card
[23:40] <dErzOnk> Anyone familiar with KTorrent? i have stuck torrent and wtf - it say 1,2 of 1,2 GB but 96,5% - is there a info about reamaining MB?
[23:41] <Mamarok> oxymoron: if they have no documented drivers and nobody reverse engeneered one, change is close to 0
[23:41] <maco> oxymoron: thing about graphics drivers is that some of the more generic ones will only do whatever resolutions the card has programmed into its firmware. when you get higher res on windows its because those drivers are overriding it
[23:41] <Mamarok> cahnce*
[23:41] <oxymoron> Mamarok: All things works except resolution
[23:41] <Mamarok> chance
[23:41] <Rondo> it is good to fix old things, but if source is not open, reverse engineering is involved. nVidia cards are best for linux because nVidia is cooperative
[23:42] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Wel and then plymouth which make m girl think its wrong on hrer computer but the deal is crappy Sis graphics support in linux. Last time I crashed the system when installing drivers manually and it didt even bot
[23:43] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I'm sorry, I can't really help with that, you could try explaining what a close source driver ist
[23:43] <Mamarok> closed*
[23:43] <oxymoron> maco: How to override it then? In windows its able to use 1280x1024
[23:43]  * maco highly recommends Intel graphics (except Poulsbo, though even they work decently despite intel ceasing development on their drivers)
[23:43] <maco> oxymoron: fix the driver?
[23:43] <Luija1006> Mamarok: luis@Acer:~/.mozilla/firefox/viyfxqf2.default/gm_scripts/lockerz_unplayd$ kate lockerz_unplayd.user.js
[23:43] <Luija1006> Mamarok: pretty pretty rare
[23:43] <Luija1006> Mamarok: it opens the .js without any problem
[23:43] <Luija1006> but the greasemonkey kate doesnt... Mamarok
[23:43] <Rondo> yeah Intel video chips are good too in my experience
[23:44] <maco> oxymoron: SiS makes drivers capable of overriding the built-in modes for windows only. so if you want that on linux, youd need to fix the driver
[23:44] <oxymoron> Rondo: nVidia isnt good on Linux, but best working though ... which is quite funny :D
[23:44] <oxymoron> maco: Fix the driver?
[23:44] <Mamarok> Luija1006: I don't understand your first two lines at all
[23:44] <maco> oxymoron: yes. as in download the sis driver for Xorg, and brush up your C programming skills, and well...have at
[23:45] <oxymoron> maco: Well it musT be any drivers out of the box out there on the net somewhere? :S
[23:45] <Mamarok> but since you can open it with nano, you can edit it with that, and please file a bug against kate
[23:45] <Rondo> oxymoron: maybe proprietary but workable.
[23:45] <xok> any kubuntu GURUs here?.. :-D
[23:45] <Mamarok> xok: several
[23:45] <xok> I'm stuck in loading kubuntu from NFS..
[23:45] <maco> oxymoron: if nobody's written the code yet theres not much to do. however, have you tried usint cvt to generate a new modeline and xrandr to set it? possibly X just isnt detecting the available resolution for the monitor? that happens sometimes...
[23:45] <Mamarok> xok: did you read what I said above?
[23:45] <oxymoron> maco: I tested googleing and found some kind of support for xorg but not working proerly
[23:45] <Mamarok> that is not matter of finding a GURU, it is a very bad idea
[23:46] <Rondo> oxymoron: what is the make and model of the lappy?
[23:46] <xok> Mamarok, yes, I did, but you've said nothing interesting to me, sorry.. ;-(
[23:46] <maco> oxymoron: obviously there's some support if you see anything at all, even 800x600
[23:46] <Mamarok> xok: I am sorry if you are not interested in learning that ntfs is not a decent filesystem to install Linux on it
[23:46] <maco> oxymoron: im saying that sometimes X doesnt detect all available resolutions in which case you can inform it of more resolutions using "cvt" and "xrandr"
[23:46] <maco> oxymoron: and it /might/ work
[23:46] <xok> Mamarok, wrong answer.. ;-)
[23:46] <oxymoron> maco: Uhm I am not a supergeek you know xD I am asking for hep here nto how to progrmming my own driver XD
[23:46] <maco> oxymoron: if it doesnt though, you need to find someone who can fix the driver
[23:47] <Mamarok> xok: not at all
[23:47] <maco> oxymoron: cvt & xrandr arent programming
[23:47] <xok> Mamarok, I've never said I want to install it on NTFS, I said I want to install it OVER NFS...
[23:47] <oxymoron> Rondo: Uhm Advent something
[23:47] <maco> oxymoron: xrandr is for configuring X
[23:47] <xok> which mean installing the kubuntu system over Network FileSystem.. :-)
[23:47] <maco> oxymoron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[23:47] <Mamarok> xok: good advice: don't, mae a boot partition in ext3 or ext4, you can still use NTFS for /home
[23:47] <xok> means*
[23:47] <maco> Mamarok: not NTFS
[23:47] <maco> Mamarok: NFS
[23:48] <xok> Mamarok, you're on the wrong side man.. :-D
[23:48] <maco> xok: woman
[23:48] <xok> oh, sorry...
[23:48] <xok> :-)
[23:48] <Mamarok> xok: yeah, misread that one, sorry
[23:48] <Rondo> oxymoron: look underneath and maybe in the battery case to find make and model for certain. likely someone else has already dealt with same issues
[23:48] <xok> my appologies...
[23:48] <xok> :-)
[23:48] <Mamarok> xok: no worries
[23:48] <xok> Mamarok, not a problem... ;-)
[23:48] <maco> Rondo: the graphics card model is a bit more useful than the computer model usually
[23:48] <xok> Mamarok, so, anything about NFS?..
[23:49] <Mamarok> xok: check that maybe? -> http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/
[23:49] <oxymoron> maco: http://pastebin.com/dP5UB0ge
[23:49] <Rondo> maco: I know what you mean, but often laptop owners do not know the model of their onboard chip and go to forums for the laptop itself. I have found answers for my inspiron 2650 this way
[23:49] <xok> Mamarok, my NFS works perfectly...
[23:49] <maco> oxymoron: read the link i posted... it tells you how to add more to that list
[23:50] <xok> it's kubuntu that has problems, not NFS actually.. :-P
[23:50] <maco> xok: are you using network manager?
[23:50] <oxymoron> maco: Thanks :) WIl look into it
[23:50] <xok> what for or where?...
[23:50] <maco> xok: because nm doesnt connect til after you login so if youre trying to load /home over NFS youre gonna have a problem
[23:51] <maco> xok: be sure to use /etc/network/interfaces instead if you want your interfaces configured before login
[23:51] <xok> maco, I'm going to load the whole system over nfs, the filesystem gets mounted as /cdrom/
[23:51] <maco> oh my O_O
[23:51] <xok> I'm going to install kubuntu over network..
[23:51] <xok> I've done everything needed...
[23:52] <Mamarok> xok: maybe this one? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1021
[23:52] <xok> the kubuntu LiveCD gets partially loaded..
[23:52] <xok> but stucks saying "Please provide a name for this Disc blahblahblah"..
[23:52] <xok> Mamarok, will try, thanks..:-)
[23:53] <xok> Mamarok, thanks, but that's not what I want...
[23:53] <Mamarok> well, it is a generic instruction, replace Slackware with Kubuntu
[23:54] <xok> Mamarok, the server (NFS is running on) is actually the slackware box...
[23:54] <xok> but it has no problems at all...
[23:54] <xok> problems I've encountered are only with kubuntu...
[23:55] <xok> ubuntu LiveCD for example loads perfectly..
[23:55] <xok> works just fine..
[23:55] <xok> have done almost the same for kubuntu, but it stucks saying we need to name the disc...
[23:55] <xok> but I can't even type anything there..
[23:56] <Mamarok> of course not, it's not writeable...
[23:56] <Mamarok> tried with an USB stick?
[23:56] <xok> pressing ALT+ENTER shows kubuntu logo trying to load something but stucks there, then ESC shows the text messages again saying "Please provide blahblahblah"...
[23:56] <xok> Mamarok, :-)
[23:57] <xok> Mamarok, I really appreciate you are trying to help me, but this is not the case you can help I guess.. ;-(
[23:57] <Mamarok> yeah, not my day
[23:58] <xok> it may turn to you, don't say it's not yours.. ;-)


[14:07] <sidi> Hi, my unity7  (on vivid, slightly modified package so the crash is probably caused by my own changes) crashes when I run it via lightdm, but *not* when I launch unity --debug or --advanced-debug via a TTY (though I seem to be missing parts of the shell). Can I make upstart create coredumps so I can investigate the issue? Also, how can I trace all the processes being launched / crashing when I start a unity session?
[14:10] <davmor2> sidi have a look in /var/crash
[14:13] <sidi> davmor2, yay! are these coredumps?
[14:14] <sidi> Ah nevermind, I see there's a backtrace included
[14:14] <davmor2> np's
[14:15] <sidi> How could I trace the processes being launched, though? Something similar to systemd-cgls.. I do have really weird stuff crashing in my session (including instances of cp and make which I cant possibly explain)
[14:15] <davmor2> sidi: that is one for the more technially advanced you might want to ask on #ubuntu-desktop though
[14:16] <sidi> Sure, thanks
[21:37] <om26er> if I restart unity8, apps won't start after that. Is there a way to workaround that ?


[15:00] <Guest25032> is there a way to install an older version of a package built in a ppa? E.g apt-get install packagename=version?
[15:01] <Guest25032> or is this functionality not available on Launchpad?
[15:02] <dobey> if the binaries are still there, yes package=version
[15:02] <dobey> same as any archive
[15:03] <dobey> i don't know how many old versions are left around in a PPA though after they are superseded
[15:04] <cjwatson> They're garbage-collected fairly quickly, typically after a day or so.  If you want to keep old versions then you should copy them somewhere else.
[15:05] <cjwatson> And once they've been superseded they won't be referenced from Packages any more, so no, apt-get install packagename=version won't work.
[15:05] <dobey> ok
[16:24] <Guest25032> thanks for the clarification!
[16:32] <bdmurray> Is there something wrong with 2 factor authentication and staging.launchpad?
[16:45] <cjwatson> I referred bdmurray to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FA#Why_doesn.27t_my_2F_login_work_on_staging.3F on #ubuntu-release