[06:46] <ep2011> if i install fiesty over my (broken) edgy install, will it fix grub (and still keep my windows entries)
[06:47] <Death_Sargent> that sounds like a really bad idea
[06:47] <shawnr> death_s, think it would be smart to do an entire reinstall once feisty is final? or not really necessary?
[06:47] <lupine_85> is it just grub that's broken in edgy?
[06:47] <Death_Sargent> well if its a driver issue
[06:47] <Death_Sargent> as long as you did not muckaround with them yourself
[06:47] <ep2011> lupine_85 Grub is FINE (How else would I be in windows right now), it locks up on boot
[06:47] <concept10> !matchbox
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about matchbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <concept10> !info matchbox
[06:48] <ep2011> lupine_85 booting to ubuntu is broken
[06:48] <shawnr> edgy is locking up on boot?
[06:48] <shawnr> wow
[06:48] <ubotu> matchbox: base environment for resource-limited systems. In component universe, is optional.   I am curious about how it's setup
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> simple
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> modem to router
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> router to computer
[06:51] <lupine_85> depends on how the modem is connected to the computer
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> if your having problems that means your service needs your mac adress for security reasons
[06:51] <lupine_85> if it's USB, then it'll be set up with a PPP link
[06:52] <lupine_85> if Ethernet, then it's actually a modem/router and will be easy to do :)
[06:52] <concept10> Im not talking specifically the hardware hookup, thats easy
[06:52] <shirish> yup with ethernet its damn lot easier
[06:52] <Death_Sargent> there is no real advantage from usb
[06:52] <concept10> the setup with NetworkManager is causing me problems
[06:52] <Death_Sargent> so get the slightly larger looking phone cord
[06:52] <shirish> that is curious
[06:52] <lupine_85> well, with USB you get a PPP link directly so you don't need hueg loads of IP addresses
[06:53] <lupine_85> (assuming you don't want to use NAT)
[06:53] <concept10> because the DSL modem has a PPP server and so does my router
[06:53] <shirish> concept10 do u know details like IP Address, Gateway Address & DNS addresess
[06:53] <shirish> concept10: which modem is it?
[06:53] <Death_Sargent> while we are on the topic of netowkrs does anyone have a solution for my wifi problem
[06:54] <concept10> shirish, yes.  I had no problems with cable modem, its this DSL PPP stuff thats giving me problems
[06:54] <shawnr> crap, i ran the update for the nvidia legacy glx driver and nothing, still the same issues
[06:54] <shawnr> wtf
[06:54] <shirish> lol, it took me some figuring out, but then again that was because I was from windows otherwise it was a cinch to setup
[06:54] <concept10> shirish, I have a Speedstream 4100 ADSL modem
[06:55] <shirish> is your DSL modem+router on <IP_ADDRESS> -100
[06:55] <concept10> no, the modem <IP_ADDRESS>, the router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:56] <shirish> concept10: and these two things are seperate, the modem & the router or are they both built into 1 unit?
[06:56] <Death_Sargent> shawnr: did you  install the direvers the easy ubuntu way or the hardway\
[06:56] <concept10> I'll figure it out.. I hate having to swap out ethernet
[06:56] <concept10> shirish, no seperate
[06:57] <shawnr> death, which drivers.. nvidia?
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> yes
[06:57] <shirish> then it will be difficult for me, both things are on the same unit, hence it was easy pickings
[06:57] <lupine_85> so the speedstream plugs into another router?
[06:57] <shawnr> package manager, just searched for nvidia legacy and installed from there
[06:57] <concept10> shirish, I should have been a regular consumer and opted for the combo package
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> if you first had them installed ubuntu way
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> then did a manual install
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> bad things happen
[06:57] <shawnr> nah
[06:58] <Death_Sargent> well thats what heppend when i tired
[06:58] <shirish> concept10: true, although many people were asking me why I needed a router when I am a single user, figured who knows when I might decide to set up a game server ;)
[06:58] <lupine_85> it's more a generic networking issue than anything else... ubuntu should get an IP address from the the DHCP server at <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:58] <concept10> lupine_85, DSL line -> Speedstream ADSL modem -> Router -> various computers
[06:58] <lupine_85> yeah, the speedstream is a modem/router incidentally
[06:59] <shirish> yup then it is DHCP, did not have go to do that
[06:59] <shirish> concept10: did u try the wiki?
[06:59] <lupine_85> in fact, assuming the network setup is sane, it should be a plug-and-play operation
[07:00] <Hidan> say, does anyone know when there'll be any updates for the kernel problems?
[07:00] <concept10> I will figure it out, I have no problem setting it up, it just will not connect to internet.. So I dont know which side to use PPP on
[07:01] <shirish> concept10: you use a dialer to dial?
[07:01] <iarwain> anyone know how to install keyboard layouts? (i haven't got any)
[07:01] <concept10> shirish, no
[07:02] <shirish> then everything is on the modem, it does the hand-shaking etc. by itself
[07:02] <lupine_85> concept10: the modem is the only bit that should worry about PPP
[07:02] <lupine_85> Everything else just uses straight Ethernet
[07:04] <ConstyXIV> has anyone managed to get democracyplayer working?
[07:04] <concept10> ConstyXIV, ive never seen it work.  It has some issues with Python 2.5
[07:05] <Death_Sargent> ok i plugged in via ethernet and figured it out
[07:05] <shirish> man updates are coming thick & fast tonight, think because of the kernel freeze soon?
[07:05] <ConstyXIV> oh, and the launchpad redesign is pretty nice.  when did that go up?
[07:05] <concept10> bbl
[07:06] <shirish> ConstyXIV: u were not around the last couple of days?
[07:06] <ConstyXIV> shirish: launch is in 2 weeks or so, got to get a lot of stuff done
[07:06] <ConstyXIV> nope
[07:06] <shirish> yup looks cool, I have already applied for being a beta-tester for launchpad, if that happens it would be really cool
[07:07] <ConstyXIV> i was just really talking about the new skin they put on it
[07:08] <ConstyXIV> hadnt really noticed anything else yet, i just checked on the democracyplayer bug and noticed
[07:08] <shirish> yup it is cool, there are few things which I would like to see improved but if they are already doing it in beta then its cool, otherwise would file a bug for it
[07:08] <shirish> !info democracyplayer
[07:08] <ubotu> democracyplayer: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 699 kB, installed size 3564 kB
[07:09] <shirish> @now Calcutta
[07:09] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 05 2007, 22:39:17 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team
[07:09] <ConstyXIV> is launchpad trying to out sourceforge or something?
[07:09] <Usher> If I burn Feisty onto a CD for my friend, will it copy all of his documents and pictures from WinXP over to the linux installation? He wants to switch from WinXP to Linux but he got scared when I told him it would erase all of his documents,pictures and music in the process
[07:09] <shirish> ConstyXIV: seems like that lol :P
[07:10] <shirish> Usher: there is supposed to be copy thing but you might want to wait a bit
[07:10] <shirish> there are some bugs filed for that process
[07:13] <Usher> shirish: Yeah, I took my friend the 6.06 LTS CD, but that same day the 7.04 Beta came out and he was a little turned off by the fact of losing his files, so I told him I thought the 7.04 Beta had that new file transferring thing built into it but I heard it was only for saving your Browser Favorites.. which is really not that useful, most people want their files - they can email their favorites to theirself pretty easily.
[07:14] <shawnr> Usher, there are plenty of file storage sites that offer free plans, like box.net
[07:14] <shirish> Usher: it is supposed to be not just browser but other things as well, hang on
[07:15] <Usher> okay
[07:16] <shirish> Usher: yup bookmarks and IM contacts and wallpapers, but this is a dual-boot option
[07:16] <shirish> Usher: did u format the whole hdd or what?
[07:16] <Usher> but no personal files
[07:16] <shirish> Usher: I mean for your friend
[07:17] <Usher> No, he hasn't installed linux yet - still using WinXP until I take him a CD
[07:17] <shirish> Usher: not yet, I am sure they are working on that
[07:17] <shirish> Usher: here is what u do, take him the CD, first defrag all his partitions, make the last partition fully empty
[07:18] <shirish> then re-format that partition in Windows only so its a clean partition
[07:18] <tgelter> amarok 1.4.5 is using all my cpu when it's open...how do I fix this?  (yes, I'm using feisty beta)
[07:18] <Usher> he only has 1 partition, WinXP
[07:19] <shirish> that is going to be pretty tricky then, he will have to save his data either on DVD or stuff or put it on net or something
[07:20] <shirish> it is never a good idea to have a single partition whatever ur OS may be
[07:20] <Usher> it came preloaded like that from the manufacturer
[07:20] <chijin> he can always get partition magic and take a chunk of the existing partition to create a new one where he can ditch all the important files
[07:20] <chijin> if there's enough space left
[07:21] <chijin> or, burn everything to dvds. dvd-r's are cheap
[07:21] <chijin> new hard drives are cheap too, plus you get the extra space
[07:21] <Usher> I assume its only 1 partition? I've never heard of manufacturers like Dell or HP separating the OS across different partitions.. they just give you the WinXP partition and that hidden system restore backup partition for when you screw up your PC, so they wont have to ship every PC with CDs anymore
[07:21] <shirish> Usher: yup the extra hard drive is a good option if ur friend can afford
[07:22] <shirish> Usher: I always assemble my own machine
[07:22] <Usher> I wish he could just take his HDD out of his PC and give it to me for a couple of days, and I could do it all for him
[07:23] <shirish> Usher: sure and have all his girlfriends photos with you also, fat chance I think lol :P
[07:24] <Usher> I wouldn't go through his stuff I've got my own pictures to look at
[07:25] <tgelter> amarok 1.4.5 is using all my cpu when it's open...how do I fix this?  (yes, I'm using feisty beta)
[07:25] <shirish> tgelter: ok first shutdown amarok
[07:26] <shirish> Usher: I was just having fun, all pun intentional
[07:26] <Usher> xdrive is a nice piece of software/service.. I just don't like that it has the AOL logo on it.. kind of makes me weary of it, but other than that it's great - I used it to back up my families documents while I reformated and setup their PC again after they trashed over the years haha
[07:26] <tgelter> shirish: I've tried to shut it down and bring it back up, change music it's playing, etc. whenever I open it again (whether I am playing music or not) it spikes to 100% cpu usage
[07:27] <shirish> tgelter: ok do u have any other players to play music or not?
[07:27] <tgelter> yes, but I much prefer to use amarok
[07:27] <Usher> have you tried Banshee
[07:27] <tgelter> nope
[07:28] <Usher> it's nice like Amarok
[07:28] <shirish> tgelter: the point to use other players is to see if its an issue with just that music player or something else
[07:28] <Usher> I used to use amarok, but it wouldn't work with my iPod Nano
[07:28] <tgelter> shirish: it's just with amarok
[07:28] <shirish> Usher: in that case I would suggest filing a bug, are u using a laptop by any chance
[07:28] <Usher> give Banshee a try
[07:29] <shawnr> i love amarok, but its no good with gnome, too much extra shit to install like all the kde libs and crap
[07:29] <shirish> shawnr: true that is what I am happy with Exaile, not much stuff to install
[07:30] <tgelter> shawnr: that's true, but not really a problem when one uses kde apps like k3b anyway...
[07:30] <shawnr> i try to stick to gnome apps, but kde apps are nice
[07:30] <shirish> tgelter: if you like KDE stuff better then you should have installed Kubuntu
[07:30] <Usher> I think Amarok only works if you put the files on the iPod in the disk use form, instead of just putting them on their like iTunes would.. and by doing that I think you lose functionality of the iPod user interface.. you have to play your songs from the disk use menu on the ipod instead of the playlist or music menu.. I could be wrong but I think thats what the 'Disk Use' feature on iTunes means?
[07:31] <tgelter> shirish: I like a couple of KDE apps. I can't stand the K desktop environment though
[07:31] <shirish> tgelter: also is not the Ipod feature an experimental one, atleast that is what I believe
[07:31] <Usher> disk use is normally meant for putting a document on your ipod or any other file but the normal iPod music files
[07:32] <tgelter> shirish: I'm not the one looking to have it control my ipod..
[07:32] <broekd_> second time feisty installs on a laptop and day doesnt pas wothout broken system and fsck clearing innodes
[07:33] <shirish> broekd_: welcome to your computing experience
[07:33] <broekd_> thanks you , i have been using linux for over 6 years , but thank you
[07:34] <shirish> tgelter: as far as I can see, the only option is to go file a bug, give your hardware info. and wait for them to ask the questions, there is a high probability though that it might be broken & that bug is known.
[07:34] <tgelter> shirish: I'll keep that in mind. thanks. I'll also give banshee a shot for now
[07:34] <tgelter> thanks all for the help
[07:35] <darich> oh noo a new kernel :(
[07:35] <shirish> darich: they will try to push as many kernels as they can without breaking everything before the kernel-freeze I think its 12th, is not that?
[07:36] <darich> nah it's just I have to recompile a kernel module
[07:36] <shirish> darich: oops it is today itself, so I guess this is the last kernel they would be pushing
[07:36] <darich> to turn my wireless on
[07:36] <darich> which is a pain
[07:36] <darich> and manually place it in the correct folder
[07:37] <darich> as I use a Acer with broadcom wireless
[07:37] <darich> and one of those buttons on the front
[07:37] <darich> to turn the wireless on....
[07:37] <darich> :S
[07:37] <broekd_> good think so many people buy broadcom wireless to support their closed drivers
[07:38] <shirish> anybody know a lean mean GTK+ bittorrent clone?
[07:38] <shirish> broekd_: lol :P
[07:38] <darich> loves Kde apps...but doesn't like KDE
[07:38] <shirish> they should buy the Linksys WRT series
[07:38] <darich> ;0
[07:39] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G
[07:39] <broekd_> Linksys and ralink
[07:39] <shirish> ralink, I have not heard that name before
[07:40] <shirish> they also make use of free/open-source drivers
[07:40] <broekd_> http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> Note that the WRT54GL (with the L at the end) is a bit friendlier for 3rd party firmware and has better hardware specs than the v5.
[07:42] <shirish> the move to VXworks for sure
[07:42] <shirish> even ralink has interesting wi-fi options
[07:43] <broekd_> and broken filesystem fixed . good thing ext3 stores superblocks on many places
[07:43] <shirish> well atleast the name is right broekd_:)
[07:44] <pari> hello
[07:44] <shirish> hi pari
[07:44] <pari> I've got a problem: I have ubuntu 7.04 beta, and I'm trying to install nvidia drivers. The card is GF4 MX 440, so, as far as I know, I need nvidia-glx-legacy package.
[07:44] <broekd_> hahaha just booted into system and got this message : The program : "apt-get" is currently not installed . You can install it by typing : apt-get install apt
[07:45] <phaidros> pari: aptitude install restriced-manager
[07:45] <lupine_85> lol. find the .deb and dpkg -i it
[07:45] <phaidros> lol
[07:45] <Death_Sargent> ok I just rebooted and my wifi does not work
[07:45] <broekd_> dpkg is not installed
[07:45] <shirish> I am just waiting for gmailfs to be fixed
[07:46] <Death_Sargent> ran an update and it was fixed until I crashed and had to reboot again
[07:46] <colbert> is it possible to remote login to a system that is in hibernate ?
[07:47] <pari> o, thanks phaidros. It says I need to reboot, be back in a minute.
[07:47] <broekd_> maby path is not set , where id dpkg stored ?
[07:47] <CarinArr> what does restricted-manager do?
[07:47] <shirish> lemme check
[07:47] <broekd_> -/usr/sbin ?
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Not that I know of, but it is possible to login to a router connected to it and wake-on-lan from the router, and then login after that.
[07:48] <shirish> usr/bin
[07:48] <broekd_> yeah it the path that is not set so i guess apt is there too
[07:48] <cwillu> what's a brownish theme for kubuntu?
[07:48] <colbert> tonyyarusso: ok, how do you login to a router?
[07:49] <shirish> broekd_: /usr/bin
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Depends how it's set up.  In my case, I go to http://my.home.ip.address:8080/
[07:49] <broekd_> ldconfig should maby help
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Some let you ssh as well
[07:50] <CarinArr> sometimes you can only log in from the local address of the router though
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Yep, all depends on the options you have set
[07:51] <shirish> or the router u have
[07:51] <CarinArr> yes
[07:51] <jarle> After upgrading to feisty the nvidia-glx-legacy driver crashes X, and it doesn't look like it is easy to recompile the driver downloaded for nvidia.com against the new kernel either?
[07:52] <colbert> tonyyarusso: ok, I am kinda noob at this.. I have at home 1 XP pc, and 1 ubuntu pc conn'd thru linksys router (have cable modem), and sometimes from here @ office I need files from machine at home, but it's set to hibernate.. how do I get into my ubuntu machine?
[07:52] <CarinArr> jarle: did you try simply reinstalling nvidia-glx-legacy?
[07:52] <jarle> Any help in getting nvidia back up would be greatly appreciated..
[07:52] <CarinArr> i assume you did;)
[07:52] <jarle> CarinArr: Many times :)
[07:52] <jonah1980> hey guys how do i use the new ubuntu proprietary drivers for nvidia from repos and not "nv" or the download from nvidia. i was using the downloaded driver from nvidia, does this need removing first?
[07:52] <CarinArr> okay just double checking;)
[07:53] <shirish> !info jigdo
[07:53] <ubotu> jigdo: GTK+ download manager (beta version). In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 187 kB, installed size 440 kB
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> colbert: While at home you'll have to set up your options to allow login like that to the router and enable WOL for the computer, then memorize/write down your public IP
[07:53] <CarinArr> jonah1980: yeah.. run the nvidia installer script with --uninstall first
[07:53] <shirish> anybody knows how to work with jigdo files?
[07:53] <jonah1980> CarinArr, where do i get this script?
[07:53] <CarinArr> jarle: i haven't had any problems with the nvidia.com drivers in feisty, but i haven't tried any repository ones so far..
[07:53] <Death_Sargent> please i need my wifi
[07:54] <pari> hm, the problem with the drivers is still here. Restricted drivers manager still has "Nvidia accelerated graphics driver (legacy cards) as "needs computer restart"
[07:54] <jarle> CarinArr: Did you have the installer recompile against your new kernel?
[07:54] <CarinArr> jarle: yes
[07:54] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok so to set up optinos to allow login, is that through router page? Like in Firefox I do <IP_ADDRESS> and it is my Linksys admin page for my router, u mean in there?? And is "enable WOL" also in that page too or is that in ubuntu somewhere??
[07:54] <shirish> ok guys back in a moment too, need to restart, gotta test the new kernel if something is broken or something
[07:55] <CarinArr> jonah1980: the file you download from nvidia.. called NVIDIAsomewhatorother.sh ;)
[07:55] <jarle> CarinArr: Which path did it use for your kernel-source?
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Correct.  WOL is a combination of an option on the router page and a small cable inside your computer being connected, assuming you have the ability in your hardware, as well as a BIOS option sometimes.
[07:55] <jarle> CarinArr: I assume you had to tell it where your kernel source was located?
[07:56] <jonah1980> CarinArr, do i need to download the whole driver for this script or can i just get the script from somewhere can't see it on nvidia website
[07:56] <CarinArr> jarle: no i didn't, actually.. it couldn't find any matching kernel configurations but i didn't have to install anything other than build-essential for the installer to run fine, and it didn't ask me any questions
[07:56] <CarinArr> jonah1980: the .sh file IS a script.. but yeah you need the .sh file, then run it like you would if you install the nvidia driver, but append --uninstall at the end
[07:57] <jarle> CarinArr: What do you have in /usr/src ?
[07:57] <CarinArr> kernel sources for 2.6.20-12/2.6.20-13 and -generic
[07:58] <CarinArr> er sorry headers
[07:58] <jarle> CarinArr: so, only headers and no complete source?
[07:59] <jonah1980> CarinArr, all i can find is the .run thing, how do i extract this to get the .sh script?
[07:59] <jarle> CarinArr: which drivers did you compile? the new one or the legacy one?
[08:00] <pari> jonah1980, try "sh therunthing.run"
[08:00] <CarinArr> jarle: new ones
[08:00] <CarinArr> sorry jonah, they're .run not .sh
[08:01] <jarle> CarinArr: I'm trying to install the legacy one, as my card is not supported in the new one...
[08:01] <CarinArr> jarle: what card do you have?
[08:01] <jarle> CarinArr: GeForce2 GTS/Pro
[08:01] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok so #1 what will the option be called in my Linkys page to enable that kind of login? #2 I think my mobo has WOL, so if it is in BIOS I just enable it and that's it?
[08:02] <jarle> CarinArr: I have tried using the new driver and it tells me that my card needs the legacy branch..
[08:02] <CarinArr> ca jarle	and your x just crashes?
[08:02] <CarinArr> jarle: and your x just crashes even
[08:02] <CarinArr> with the legacy one i mean
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Depends on your firmware
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> #2: yes
[08:03] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Firmware? I know what that is vaguely but not clear what you mean by it depending on it ?
[08:04] <jarle> CarinArr: Have been using the restricted nvidia modules installed by ubuntu without any problems until upgrading to feisty, now X get a signal 11 and crashes trying to us the driver..
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> colbert: ie, default Linksys, DD-WRT, etc. will all have different setup screens
[08:04] <CarinArr> jarle: can you !pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[08:04] <CarinArr> i don't know anyone that uses that particular card i'm afraid
[08:05] <chrisbudden14> anyone finding their TI card reader not working in feisty?
[08:05] <pari> can you tell me, do I need to download anything like "linux-restricted-modules", if I want my old gf4mx 440 (legacy drivers) to work properly, and, hopefully, get some 3d and/or effects?
[08:05] <colbert> tonyyarusso: ah ok.. so I am making some notes here for when I go home, so what generic term might the option be called so I can have a basis to look so I don't get the wrong thing??
[08:05] <CarinArr> pari: uhm.. using repository drivers or ones straight from nvidia?
[08:06] <pari> repository
[08:06] <jonah1980> CarinArr, as i remember you have to somehow extract the .run thing to run the uninstaller. if you just run the .run it will install nvidia. and if you put --uninstaller after the .run file nothing happens you just get command not found...
[08:06] <jarle> CarinArr: which pastebin should I use?
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Things involving "remote login", "graphical login", "port number"
[08:07] <shirish> ok guys my last boot went good till the login screen after that nothing, no screen at all tried all the CTRL+ALT+F series anybody any idea which logs I need to submit to file a bug
[08:07] <crdlb> pari, install nvidia-glx-legacy and linux-generic
[08:07] <shirish> jarle: !info pastebin
[08:07] <jarle> !info pastebin
[08:07] <ubotu> Package pastebin does not exist in feisty
[08:07] <CarinArr> jonah1980: you either chmod the installer with +x, or you run it using "sh filename".. e.g. sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run --uninstall
[08:07] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[08:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:08] <shirish> guys my last boot went good till the login screen after that nothing, no screen at all tried all the CTRL+ALT+F series anybody any idea which logs I need to submit to file a bug
[08:08] <pari> crdlb, i already did install nvidia-glx-legacy.
[08:08] <pari> and, uh, linux-generic.. 1 moment
[08:08] <crdlb> pari, then install linux-generic, which should pull in linux-restricted-modules-generic
[08:08] <jonah1980> CarinArr, thanks, i eventually found the command on google = NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9755-pkg2.run'  --extract-only
[08:08] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok.. now I have ubuntu and XP machines here @ office.. silly question: Not possible to login to ubuntu machine from windows right ?
[08:08] <CarinArr> uhm.. you shouldn't need to extract it if all you want to do is uninstall the driver
[08:09] <jarle> CarinArr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14056/
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Actually, it should be.  Look into PuTTY.
[08:10] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok I am searching
[08:10] <pari> crdlb, sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-generic outputs "ii  linux-generic                              <IP_ADDRESS>.8                            Complete Generic Linux kernel", do I still need to install it?
[08:11] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok uninstalled it ok, now how do install the ubuntu repository version of the proprietary driver? i want the normal one not legacy...
[08:11] <broekd_> rescue on alternate cd is usless
[08:11] <crdlb> pari, then you should also have linux-restricted-modules-generic, so no as long as you're running a generic kernel (uname -r)
[08:11] <jarle> CarinArr: I thought I might as well go back to the "old way" of compiling the nvidia drivers, this is what I get then: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14057/
[08:12] <pari> yep, 2.6.20-12-generic
[08:12] <crdlb> pari, you should be good then
[08:12] <pari> The problem is that acceleration doesn't work, so I'm trying to figure out why, and how to make it work
[08:13] <jonah1980> pari, uninstalled it, how do install the ubuntu repository version of the proprietary driver? normal one not legacy...
[08:13] <broekd_> its always there
[08:14] <pari> select without -legacy
[08:14] <pari> nvidia-glx
[08:15] <CarinArr> jarle: weird
[08:15] <pari> after I try to enable "desktop effects", i only get error box with "Desktop effects could not be enabled", and, as I said before, 'restricted drivers manager' shows Nvidia drivers' status as 'needs computer restart'
[08:15] <CarinArr> jarle: heh sorry for stating the obvious
[08:16] <jarle> CarinArr: I'm removing linux-restricted-modules and *nvidia*, and the trying to reinstall..
[08:16] <foxiness> hi, aptana need mozilla to install, apt-get install mozilla ? there are no mozilla
[08:17] <broekd_> !info mozilla-browser feisty
[08:17] <ubotu> Package mozilla-browser does not exist in feisty
[08:18] <CarinArr> jarle: i know people have legacy cards working.. but don't know if they're using the legacy package or not
[08:19] <broekd_> !info mozilla-browser edgy
[08:19] <foxiness> broekd sometime the best just to know :)
[08:19] <ubotu> mozilla-browser: The Mozilla Internet application suite - core and browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.7.13-0.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9797 kB, installed size 29720 kB
[08:20] <broekd_> i dont know , its depricated i guess
[08:21] <jonah1980> ok i uninstalled nvidia driver from their website, and installed nvidia-glx from repository, now when i click on the new restricted drivers manager in ubuntu it says "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[08:21] <jonah1980> can anyone help me get it working thanks...
[08:21] <CarinArr> jarle: having a quick look around
[08:21] <broekd_> does envy work in feisty ?
[08:21] <foxiness> its fine ,thanks for let to me know that ,then lost my time to fine out, time to go out ..bye
[08:22] <foxiness> find*
[08:23] <jarle> CarinArr: It is a bit frustrating to not being able to figure out if there is a problem with the legacy package in ubuntu, or if there is a bug in the driver when it comes to my gfx-card..
[08:23] <colbert> which cards are "legacy" cards??
[08:23] <CarinArr> jarle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402019&highlight=feisty+error+11 <- that you?
[08:25] <jarle> CarinArr: looks *very* much like the error I get trying to compile the nvidia.com drivers..
[08:25] <jarle> CarinArr: unfortunately no solution in the thread..
[08:25] <shirish> broekd_: how are u doing now, were u able to get apt or not?
[08:26] <pari> people, any ideas what to do about nvidia legacy? :/
[08:27] <jarle> pari: You have the same problem as me?
[08:27] <pari> jarle, oh yes.
[08:27] <pari> first time I installed glx, not legacy
[08:27] <pari> after that xorg.conf broke and I couldnt restore it
[08:28] <pari> (using ubuntu for 1 day now)
[08:28] <ep2011> Im on the feisty beta live disk, I can connect fine, but not with the network manager, using the command line, is that normal? does anyone else experience this
[08:28] <jonah1980> hello can anyone please help me out? ok i uninstalled nvidia driver from their website, and installed nvidia-glx from repository, now when i click on the new restricted drivers manager in ubuntu it says "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[08:28] <shirish> ep2011: I had that experience sometime back
[08:29] <ep2011> shirish, what did you do to fix it?
[08:29] <shirish> ep2011: figured out that had not filled the DNS servers IP address and they worked.
[08:29] <shirish> ep2011: mine is an ethernet connection to a modem/router
[08:30] <ep2011> ohh
[08:30] <ep2011> im using wireless
[08:30] <ep2011> which is why I guess
[08:31] <shirish> nope there are peole who are using wireless, and network-manager is supposed to work with it
[08:31] <ep2011> hmm..
[08:31] <ep2011> how do I know which setting im suppost to use?
[08:31] <ep2011> (WEP setting, theres 3 of them)
[08:33] <ep2011> I typed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14064/ to get it working in the command line
[08:34] <Suurorca> ahhhhhhh... lagging temrinal fixed :))))))
[08:35] <pari> well, jarle ?
[08:36] <ryan8403> so I've tried to install the clvm package but it exits with an error code and I can't add or remove packages now
[08:36] <AcidBurn> any word when bug 37784, will be fix, for real? been broken since 6.06
[08:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 37784 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sky2 ethernet driver is freezing on big upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37784
[08:36] <foxiness> ryan8403: this will know bug and there work around
[08:36] <jarle> pari: no luck, guess I need to try to get the nvidia.com driver compiled and see if that works, I'm guessing the *legacy driver from ubuntu is broken...
[08:37] <pari> mh
[08:37] <ryan8403> foxiness: what is/where can I find a work around?
[08:37] <pari> mine still is as "need restart"
[08:37] <jarle> CarinArr: Any idea how to fix the config.h error when compiling nvidia driver?
[08:37] <pari> jarle, did you download linux-restricted-modules?
[08:38] <jarle> pari: yeah..
[08:38] <foxiness> ryan8403: on ubuntuforum or google about it
[08:38] <pari> which ones?
[08:38] <jarle> pari: the one for the kernel I am running..
[08:38] <ryan8403> foxiness: I tried using apt-get remove, dpkg -r --force-all and synaptic
[08:38] <ryan8403> ok
[08:38] <pari> and your kernel is?
[08:39] <jarle> pari: 2.6.20-13-386
[08:39] <foxiness> ryan8403: no it need more than that i read about it coz i have similar station on the couple of week ago but not with clvm
[08:40] <ep2011> Does anyone know what settings to do in the network manager?I typed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14064/ to get it working in the command line
[08:41] <pari> so you updated your kernel at first? sorry if I sound dumb, but well.. it's just one day I'm using ubuntu, so I don't exactly know how everything works.
[08:42] <jarle> pari: do a "uname -a" to see what kernel you are running at the moment..
[08:42] <shirish> ep2011 is using wireless, anybody who has used wireless around here guys?
[08:43] <shirish> jarle: there is 2.6.20-14 which came down the tube couple of hrs. ago
[08:43] <pari> i'm running generic
[08:43] <pari> 2.6.20-12-generic
[08:44] <jarle> shirish: I saw that in adept yesterday actually and am still wondering why I am not asked to update my kernel..
[08:44] <foxiness> shirish: am using wireless with out need cli
[08:44] <ep2011> foxiness: wep?
[08:45] <foxiness> ep2011: no
[08:45] <ep2011> oh :\
[08:45] <ep2011> how do I tell what kind of wep I use? Does anyone know?
[08:45] <foxiness> ep2011: i have control over this network :)
[08:45] <shirish> jarle: that sure is strange, if its showing it should have asked u for that
[08:46] <ep2011> foxiness: do you know how I could tell what type of wep i use?
[08:46] <foxiness> ep2011: mmm there are doc on wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:46] <shirish> jarle: what about apt-get update and apt-get upgrade what do they tell?
[08:46] <ep2011> foxiness:  okay, thanks
[08:46] <shirish> jarle: I have used apt-get and aptitude till date, not adept till now
[08:46] <foxiness> ep2011: what are the option ?
[08:47] <ryan8403> anyone know how to remove a package that is stuck half way between installed and removed?
[08:47] <foxiness> ryan8403: remove --purge
[08:48] <ep2011> WEP 128 bit passphrase, WEP 64/128 Bit Hex, WEP 64/128 Bit ASCII
[08:50] <foxiness> ep2011: hex,
[08:50] <ryan8403> foxiness: I've tried that and here is the output of that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14066/
[08:51] <foxiness> ryan8403: what i told you before ;) ^^^^
[08:51] <foxiness> ryan8403: there are something 'package' stop it
[08:52] <jarle> shirish: apt-get will let me update to a new version of nvidia-glx-legacy, hopefully this will make it working!
[08:52] <foxiness> ryan8403: am sure the sol on ubuntuforum if i go there and search 'clvm remove' and see
[08:52] <lukaswayne9> Hmm, this is strange.  I can't get the volume up/down keybaord shortcuts to work with the right soundcard
[08:53] <shirish> jarle, would recommend u download the new kernel as well then u can see if the driver works with 3 kernels :)
[08:53] <jarle> shirish: but why is it holding "linux-headers-generic linux-image-386 linux-image-generic linux-image-k7" back?
[08:54] <shirish> lukaswayne9: what do u mean they do not work, the graphic does not show of up or down or what?
[08:54] <lukaswayne9> i have two soundcard; it adjusts the volume of the soundcard i'm not using
[08:55] <shirish> jarle: are u using the main mirror or one of the regional ones?
[08:55] <jarle> shirish: archive.ubuntu.com (guess that is the main one?)
[08:55] <shirish> lukaswayne9: I figured it would be something like that, I have a TV tuner card and apparently it tries to use the up/down for the TV tuner card
[08:56] <shirish> I have had no luck setting up the TV tuner card so far under linux :(
[08:56] <lukaswayne9> hmm
[08:57] <jarle> shirish: seems like new packages are just being added to the repos, I did a new apt-get update 1 minute after the first one, and new packages are ready for upgrade..
[08:57] <shirish> jarle : yup supposed to be the main one, from england
[08:58] <shirish> jarle: I had been using mine for couple of hrs. now, came from the indian servers & I do know for a fact that there is usually a 2 hrs. gap between the indian mirror and the main, a little more if I want the diffs. too.
[08:59] <jarle> shirish: If packages are hold back that might mean that they rely on packages that are in the process of being published, but has not reached the repos yet?
[08:59] <shirish> lemme check, for I also have the feisty changes mail come to me every couple of hrs.
[09:00] <jonah1980> hey guys i've got an update that wont install and hasnt for like 3 weeks or so it's been there, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14067/
[09:00] <jonah1980> can someone take a look at the error for me and help? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14067/
[09:01] <djnevs> can someone help me with my vid.card driver? im me please
[09:01] <djnevs> nvidia riva tnt2 model 64
[09:01] <pari> djnevs, wellcome to the club
[09:01] <pari> :|
[09:01] <djnevs> lol
[09:02] <djnevs> you got probs with it aswell
[09:02] <djnevs> ?
[09:02] <shirish> jarle: the latest one is actually <IP_ADDRESS>.12 which was published about couple of hrs. ago
[09:02] <pari> gf4mx 440, yes, problems all along
[09:02] <djnevs> :p i got riva tnt2
[09:02] <djnevs> oldschool
[09:02] <djnevs> dont have agp om my mainboard :p
[09:03] <shirish> pari, djnevs: have u tried looking in ubuntuforums.org there is great deal of info. on that there
[09:03] <pari> :)
[09:03] <djnevs> looked alread
[09:03] <djnevs> y
[09:03] <djnevs> didnt fould that what solved my prob
[09:03] <djnevs> i installed the nvidia kernel
[09:03] <jarle> shirish: any idea why the kernel might be held back at my place?
[09:03] <pari> shirish, eyah, I've found a 'nvidia binary driver howto' or something like that
[09:03] <djnevs> when i change nv to nvidia in xorg.conf
[09:03] <pari> unfortunatelly, didn't work well
[09:03] <djnevs> X window wont start
[09:04] <shirish> jarle: no idea, sorry :(
[09:04] <djnevs> log: No drivers avalible
[09:04] <pari> djnevs, nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[09:04] <djnevs> i did installed legacy driver, mayb wrong version?
[09:04] <djnevs> jah
[09:04] <djnevs> yea
[09:04] <jarle> shirish: I have the same problem as pari and djnews..
[09:04] <pari> i'm running dist upgrade now
[09:05] <Arwen> huh, new kernel, time for a reboot
[09:05] <pari> we'll see what happens.
[09:05] <shirish> djnevs: ok do what jarle is also doing, do an apt-get update & an apt-get upgrade, get the latest drivers
[09:05] <TomD> djnevs have you seen envy scripts? http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[09:05] <djnevs> hm k
[09:05] <djnevs> hm no, ill do that now, thanks
[09:07] <shirish> jarle: after re-booting with the new driver, if it still does not work, try using update-manager, for I use it & it works flawlessely for me to update or upgrade.
[09:07] <jarle> TomD: anvy is only for edgy and not feisty as far as I can see..
[09:07] <joumetal> jonah1980 Does "sudo /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup stop" give any errors?
[09:07] <TomD> yes i think you are right
[09:08] <jarle> shirish: update-manager? or adept-manager?
[09:09] <jarle> TomD: I have used his setup with great success earlier though..
[09:09] <shirish> jarle: usr/bin/update-manager
[09:09] <jonah1980> joumetal, yeah weird, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14068/
[09:09] <jarle> shirish: I do not have that one installed... which package?
[09:09] <shirish> jarle: are u using ubuntu feisty or something else?
[09:10] <jarle> shirish: I have mostly used adept manager wich I find to be a bit unstable sometimes..
[09:10] <jarle> shirish: ahh... kubuntu feisty....
[09:10] <jarle> shirish: apdept manager is the default in kubuntu..
[09:10] <shirish> jarle: aha.. so that might be the issue, ok just install sudo apt-get install update-manager
[09:11] <shirish> (sudo apt-get install update-manager)
[09:12] <gerv> Hi. Trying to test the Feisty beta bricked my laptop.
[09:12] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[09:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:12] <gerv> I've been taken through a few possibilities, including updating everything to the very latest, but it still won't boot.
[09:13] <gerv> I'm worried that Scott James Remnant, who is looking at the bug, won't now be working until after Easter.
[09:13] <lukaswayne9> so is there a resource somewhere for KVM?  i'd like to run win2k on this box
[09:13] <gerv> Is there any way I can opt out of using mdadm completely? After all, I only have one disk...
[09:14] <joumetal> jonah1980 maybe just removing hotkey setup. reinstalling it and (uninstalled) desktop-package(s) helps.
[09:15] <jonah1980> joumetal, how can i remove it though, when i try to synaptic wants to remove ubuntu-desktop also!
[09:15] <Ximal_> anyone here supporting feisty yet ?
[09:15] <jonah1980> Ximal, ubuntu+1
[09:16] <jarle> shirish: strange, apt-get wants to hold back the kernel update, while update manager asks me if I want to update at startup..
[09:16] <joumetal> jonah1980 ubuntu desktop is meta-package It is safe to remove if you remember to reinstall it later.
[09:17] <jonah1980> joumetal, ok will try it out
[09:17] <shirish> jarle: most probably there is a bug in apt-get , I normally do not use it to upgrade stuff, normally use update-manager and it has worked fine till now
[09:18] <shirish> Ximal_: we are all feisty users here
[09:18] <varka> is there any know bug with evolution in feisty that opened mails are shown only as an empty window though the sourcecode is shown correctly?
[09:18] <jarle> shirish: does update manager have a notifier that can run in the background and inform you about new updates?
[09:19] <jonah1980> joumetal, hotkey-setup won't uninstall, i can't get rid of it
[09:19] <shirish> jarle: would have to wait a minute as upgrading some packages as we speak, let it do its work and then I can look into it
[09:20] <jarle> shirish: no problem, you have been to great help so for..
[09:20] <shirish> jarle: I have only started using Feisty as well as ubuntu only 3-4 days back seriously
[09:21] <shirish> jarle: as far as update notifier, there is but nothing I know which checks for stuff in the background
[09:21] <SlimeyPete> yes, it informs you about new updates
[09:22] <shirish> SlimeyPete: how?
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> lil' balloon pops up on the top Gnome panel, a bit like Windows
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> it checks every 24 hours by default iirc
[09:22] <shirish> SlimeyPete: I have not seen any preferences menu for it
[09:22] <joumetal> jonah1980 bug 101918 It hasn't very much information.
[09:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 101918 in hotkey-setup "[apport]  package hotkey-setup failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101918
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> can you see a little star icon in the top-right of your screen? It'll either be orange or grey. That's it. I think if you right-click it might let you set preferences.
[09:23] <shirish> SlimeyPete: he means some kind of daemon or something which is constantly checking in the background, I need to manually
[09:24] <SlimeyPete> shirish: if you're having to check manually (and you're using Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu) then summat's up... it should be checking for you every so often.
[09:24] <dragon52225> Hey all i have an issue with Feisty
[09:24] <dragon52225> While installing
[09:24] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: shoot
[09:25] <dragon52225> Int 14: CR2  f8000000  err 00000000 EIP c020bc34  CS 00000060  flags 00100007
[09:25] <dragon52225> Stack: c00f7c60 c03f12eb c0370be4 0000002 c00f7c69 000f7c60 00000000 00000000
[09:25] <dragon52225> The error comes after initrd.gz or something when i boot up the CD for installing
[09:25] <dragon52225> Its the same for both Regular and Alternate CDs
[09:25] <Gh0sty> dragon52225: did you do an md5 check on the cd?
[09:25] <dragon52225> yes
[09:25] <dragon52225> on both
[09:26] <Gh0sty> tried a memtest also?
[09:26] <dragon52225> yeah
[09:26] <dragon52225> memtest is the only thing that works on the CDs
[09:26] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: you sure you're using CDs for the correct architecture? Just a thought.
[09:26] <dragon52225> Yes
[09:26] <jonah1980> ok thanks guys
[09:26] <dragon52225> i have an AMD64, but i'm sure i can use i386 on it......
[09:26] <SlimeyPete> yes, should be able to
[09:26] <dragon52225> because i had the 32 windows before
[09:26] <jonah1980> joumetal, thanks for the help i'l add to the bug and sit it out
[09:27] <SlimeyPete> I use i386 Ubuntu on my AMD64
[09:27] <dragon52225> So any ideas of whats going wrong?
[09:27] <dragon52225> Thats all i get, those two lines
[09:27] <joumetal> jonah great
[09:27] <SlimeyPete> seems like a very low-level issue. The kernel doesn't like you :/
[09:27] <dragon52225> So where should i ask?
[09:27] <djnevs> ok, i did update
[09:27] <dragon52225> For help
[09:27] <xerox__> hello are there another partion manager than GParted, it behaves strange mounts partions all the time and then stop the jobb since the parion is monted?
[09:27] <djnevs> but i cant install nvidia-glx-legacy from adept
[09:28] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: have you search the ubuntu launchpad?
[09:28] <dragon52225> Hm...  because i was using this windows password editor which depended on a linux liveCD... and it worked
[09:28] <jarle> djnevs: why can't you install?
[09:28] <djnevs> nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:28] <dragon52225> i haven't tried the amd64 cd, but i'm sure it'lll be the same
[09:28] <dragon52225> because i have the amd64 6.06 kubuntu cd which doesn't work either
[09:28] <shirish> xerox_: if you are using feisty then it does not use Gparted anymore
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: it's probably worth trying anyway - different kernel and all that
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> ah
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> does it fail to work in exactly the same way?
[09:29] <dragon52225> doesn't work.
[09:29] <dragon52225> yep...  i'm pretty sure
[09:29] <dragon52225> only thing thats ever worked on my system is windows
[09:29] <djnevs> I press the Request-Install button
[09:29] <djnevs> nothing happens
[09:29] <shirish> dragon52225: what he means is do u get the same exact two lines there?
[09:29] <dragon52225> i've only used ubuntu once on my older computer
[09:29] <ShackJack> BLEECH! The Linux Kernel .14 update borked my XGL and wireless!
[09:30] <dragon52225> i said "yes i'm pretty sure i get the same two lines"
[09:30] <SlimeyPete> might be worth looking for bug reports. If there isn't one, then file a bug against the kernel package in ubuntu and either it'll eventually get fixed or a dev will point out where you're going wrong.
[09:30] <shirish> ShackJack: :( to know that
[09:30] <xerox__> shirish: ok what to use insted then?
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: sorry I can't be more help, but it does sound like a bit of a showstopper
[09:31] <CarlFK> in the installers busybox shell, how would I install http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/gpm ?
[09:31] <CarlFK> anna-install something...
[09:31] <dragon52225> Awww
[09:31] <dragon52225> Do i have to sign up to file a bug?
[09:31] <ShackJack> shirish - S'O.k. booting .13 from GRUB sets it all back to normal :)
[09:31] <shirish> xerox__: no I meant tht if you are running the feisty install package it does not use Gparted anymore
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> I think so, but the process is quick.
[09:31] <jarle> shirish: going down for reboot, wish me luck!
[09:32] <shirish> ShackJack: so then its a bug in the .14 kernel although there is a slight update there-in also
[09:32] <shirish> xerox_: there is Gparted, there is also Qtparted which u can use, although where are u going wrong with the feisty partitioner?
[09:33] <shirish> ShackJack: there was an update from 2.6.20-14.11 to <IP_ADDRESS>-12 a while ago
[09:33] <djnevs> cant install nvidia-glx-legacy from adept, when i press request install, nothing happens. stays "no change"
[09:33] <xerox__> Im in fiesty but ned to do a bit partion management
[09:33] <djnevs> help?
[09:34] <dragon52225> i'm not too sure how to search if my bug exists
[09:34] <xerox__> moving fiesty to a bigger partion since it works so damn well :)
[09:34] <dragon52225> because whatever i search its either no results or too many
[09:34] <shirish> dragon52225: first of you will have to register at launchpad
[09:34] <dragon52225> i did
[09:34] <shirish> !info launchpad
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> djnevs: use apt-get. In a terminal, type "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy"
[09:34] <ubotu> Package launchpad does not exist in feisty
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> see if that works.
[09:34] <shirish> !launchpad
[09:34] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[09:34] <djnevs> doesnt work eighter
[09:35] <ShackJack> shirish - seems to be a buggie or a conflict any way... I was upgrading from .13->.14
[09:35] <CarlFK> xerox__: what does "in fiesty" mean?
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> djnevs: does apt-get give you an error message?
[09:35] <djnevs> yea sec.
[09:35] <AndyCR1> hi
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[09:35] <AndyCR1> im having an issue with fiesty
[09:36] <xerox__> shirish: im using fiesty rigth now and need an partion manager
[09:36] <shirish> dragon52225: what is the bug you are searching for?
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> AndyCR1: what's the problem?
[09:36] <AndyCR1> the networkmanager applet doesnt seem to like my intel pro/wireless 3945abg card
[09:36] <shirish> xerox__: a moment please
[09:36] <AndyCR1> it tries to connect and times out
[09:36] <AndyCR1> if i use iwconfig it works fine, but i would much prefer networkmanager
[09:36] <djnevs> the package isnt avalible, but it directs to another package, possable it doesnt exist or is a older version
[09:36] <AndyCR1> driver is ipw3945
[09:36] <djnevs> something like that
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> AndyCR1: hrm, sounds like a bug. Have you checked the launchpad for bug reports?
[09:37] <AndyCR1> no
[09:37] <xerox__> installed gpated but it behaves strange as I sad
[09:37] <shirish> xerox_: have u tried running parted, sudo parted which is already there in the system
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> djnevs: how odd.  Have you reloaded your package list recently?
[09:37] <xerox__> nope I try thx
[09:37] <djnevs> reloaded?
[09:37] <djnevs> apt-get update
[09:37] <djnevs> ?
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[09:37] <djnevs> yea just did that
[09:37] <djnevs> :p
[09:38] <joumetal> dragon 52225 search your name with advanced search.
[09:38] <dragon52225> why?
[09:38] <djnevs> but it happend since the beginning i upgraded to feisty
[09:38] <dragon52225> joumetal
[09:38] <dragon52225> and shirish: its an cd install bug
[09:38] <djnevs> i can install it from .deb (packages.ubuntu.com)
[09:38] <djnevs> but those dont work
[09:39] <shirish> dragon52225: so it most probably be under debian-installer
[09:39] <shirish> dragon52225: look for debian-installer bugs that is the package which does the installation part I guess
[09:39] <AndyCR1> SlimeyPete: nope, no bugs
[09:39] <AndyCR1> i click connect
[09:40] <AndyCR1> (it finds my network fine)
[09:40] <AndyCR1> enter my wep key
[09:40] <AndyCR1> it shows the connecting animation for awhile
[09:40] <AndyCR1> then goes back to the disconnected image, and im not connected
[09:40] <AndyCR1> key is correct
[09:40] <AndyCR1> go into terminal
[09:40] <djnevs> help?
[09:40] <shirish> AndyCR1: it seems there are issues with WEP stuff atm, there had been couple of guys who were here earlier who also told about this
[09:40] <eagles0513875> hey all
[09:40] <AndyCR1> hmm
[09:41] <Arko> hi all
[09:41] <AndyCR1> would wpa work?
[09:41] <dragon52225> ummm
[09:41] <shirish> no idea, I am on ethernet
[09:41] <dragon52225> i typed out my bug
[09:41] <AndyCR1> ah
[09:41] <dragon52225> but which package should i file it for?
[09:41] <dragon52225> i'll just choose "I don't know"
[09:42] <shirish> dragon52225: that is what I was saying look for debian-installer, they can always change if it does not fit
[09:42] <jarle> shirish: Atleast I got a different error when trying to start X with the nvidia driver... that's a start :)
[09:42] <AndyCR1> well, i would certainly prefer to not be sending packets in the open
[09:43] <shirish> jarle: lol :P
[09:43] <eagles0513875> i have a wiki used to set up open gl with my ati gpu in edgy would it work with feisty
[09:43] <djnevs> what did you do?
[09:43] <shirish> jarle: I hope u are writing all the errors down somewhere
[09:43] <djnevs> @jarle
[09:43] <gnomefreak> dragon52225: if desktop cd bug goes against ubiquity if alternate cd bug goes against debian-installer
[09:44] <gerv> How does one deal with a partially-installed package?
[09:44] <jarle> Now the nvidia driver fails to load, instead of the whole X getting a signal 11..
[09:45] <djnevs> i had same with the kernel
[09:45] <djnevs> kernel of nvidia
[09:45] <Arko> Totem is using 100% of CPU. How to reduce that CPU usage?
[09:45] <djnevs> use vlc
[09:45] <djnevs> in stead of totem
[09:46] <dragon52225> Yeah i filed a report....
[09:46] <ep2011> is feisty stable enough to install?
[09:46] <pari> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[09:46] <dragon52225> I'm not that advanced, so i can't exactly provide too much detail.
[09:46] <pari> Great.
[09:46] <pari> :/
[09:46] <dragon52225> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103435
[09:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 103435 in Ubuntu "Install CD Issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:46] <dragon52225> Someone tell me if i need more detail.
[09:46] <Ximal_> I installed ubuntu on a seperate partition.. Unfortunately I cannot get sound to work but the video works perfectly.. I am unsure if it is using my proper video drivers for my gforce card.. If not the generic..
[09:47] <Arko> djnevs: that is not the kinda solution I am looking for
[09:47] <Ximal_> The issue though is with my sound card being imbedded..
[09:47] <djnevs> ok sorry
[09:47] <Ximal_> Is there a way to use generic sound drivers on an intel motherboard ?
[09:47] <Ximal_> I am using a 3ghz processor intel pentium.. with that multi processing crap.. not the dual core stuff but the one where it fires on 2 cylinders instead of one so to speak
[09:47] <joumetal> gerv sudo dpkg --configure -a if you want to continue installation.
[09:48] <jarle> shirish: and compiling the nvidia driver from nvidia.com it still complains about missing config.h (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14075/)
[09:48] <Ximal_> Excuse my use of the word crap.. please.. But I'm wandering if there's an easier way to just have it use the sound through the motherboard instead of trying to find the drivers.. like a generic sound setup ?
[09:48] <shirish> jarle: you are asking the wrong person, using integrated graphics sorry
[09:49] <Ximal_> anyone ?>
[09:51] <eagles0513875> how do i setup apt repositories
[09:51] <shirish> !info gdesklets
[09:51] <eagles0513875> its complaining i have duplicates
[09:51] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[09:52] <jarle> djnevs: somehow linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386 wasn't installed... installing it now...
[09:52] <gerv> joumetal: Thanks!
[09:52] <djnevs> jarle: yea thats it.. ;)
[09:52] <gerv> Anything I try gives errors
[09:52] <gerv> Is there no "nuke it, no I don't care if you can't find it to stop it, nuke it anyway" option?
[09:52] <[miles] > evening guys
[09:52] <gerv> Any "rm -rf {every file in the manifest}" option?
[09:53] <shirish> gerv, u used synaptic, apt-get with the -force & --purge
[09:53] <shirish> apt-get remove autoremove --force --purge packagename
[09:53] <AndyCR1> ok, now i cant get wifi to work at all
[09:53] <[miles] > anyone got ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia working ?
[09:54] <[miles] > got no sound on my new laptop
[09:54] <AndyCR1> again, ipw3945, networkmanager times out, using iwconfig dhcp times out
[09:54] <Ximal_> noone ?
[09:54] <[miles] > Ximal_: what was your Q?
[09:54] <eagles0513875> is there a wine repository i can add
[09:55] <eagles0513875> wait nm
[09:55] <cliebow> AndyCR1, try knetworkmanager
[09:55] <remaxim> hello
[09:55] <eagles0513875> r there any 64 bit emulators
[09:55] <AndyCR1> cliebow: cant, no internet
[09:55] <eagles0513875> windows emulators
[09:56] <[miles] > knetworkmanager is a pain
[09:56] <shirish> AndyCR1: you have seen this wiki page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessNetworking
[09:56] <[miles] > I compiled the new release of wlanassistant
[09:56] <cliebow> or wifi-radar
[09:56] <cliebow> hmmm..what wireless card?
[09:56] <[miles] > cos I hate using dhcp
[09:56] <shirish> AndyCR1: also the wireless trouble-shooting guide mentioned there in
[09:56] <Ximal_> MILES : question was about soundcard issues
[09:57] <[miles] > Ximal_: what card? I also have a problem with sound card
[09:57] <[miles] > Ximal_: on my samsung R20 laptop
[09:57] <darich> new kernel hassles over with :)
[09:57] <Ximal_> MILES : How do I make the soundcard use the chipset drivers verse the drivers of sound max.. On windows I can install chipset drivers or motherboard sound card drivers to make them work..
[09:57] <cliebow> AndyCR1, what are you telepathis:how are you on xchat?
[09:57] <remaxim> i am a little bit lazy and wanted to ask if feisty is allready running quite stabil... I need to install a new ubuntu and don't want to update in 2 weeks. It's for privat use and doesn't have to be ultra stabil
[09:58] <Ximal_> MILES : Is it possible to wrap windows drivers ? does ubuntu have that installed ? where you can wrap stuff ?
[09:58] <[miles] > Ximal_: you don't wrap windows drivers
[09:58] <Ximal_> I'm thinking that since ubuntu if FULLY FUNCTIONAL other than sound.. I mean no video chopping when I move windows or play the demo video or anything..
[09:58] <Ximal_> That it's possible to..
[09:58] <[miles] > Ximal_: bbiam
[09:58] <AndyCR1> cliebow: different machine
[09:58] <Ximal_> bbiam ?
[09:58] <Ximal_> ok
[09:58] <AndyCR1> running a different distro
[09:58] <[miles] > be back in a minute
[09:58] <Ximal_> bbiam too.. bathroom break..
[09:58] <gerv> Anyone here got a machine with a single hard disk running Feisty?
[09:58] <[miles] > need a smoke
[09:59] <gerv> What do you get from cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ?
[09:59] <AndyCR1> gerv: me
[09:59] <Ximal_> lol me too... but i gotta go to bathroom t00
[09:59] <gerv> msg me if you like
[09:59] <shirish> gerv: 2 hdd but one hdd with feisty what is the issue?
[09:59] <Ximal_> I got a single hard disk
[09:59] <gerv> Trying to test the Feisty beta bricked my laptop.
[09:59] <AndyCR1> gerv: no such file or directory
[09:59] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[09:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:59] <Draconicus> brb
[09:59] <gerv> Anyone know if I can just remove mdadm and be free of this mess?
[09:59] <gerv> I only have one disk...
[10:00] <shirish> !info mdadm
[10:00] <ubotu> mdadm: tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.6-7ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 225 kB, installed size 664 kB
[10:01] <Ximal_> hey gerv..
[10:01] <gerv> Hey.
[10:01] <Ximal_> why not just set your windows partition to be the main boot and use partition magic to take the full disk back
[10:01] <shirish> gerv: add to your bug that debian-installer should become intelligent enough that it recognizes it is a single hdd & hence no RAID is necessary
[10:01] <Ximal_> It's what I used to do.. is install a lilo type boot prog and make windows primary partition
[10:01] <gerv> Ximal_: What Windows partition?
[10:01] <Ximal_> you on ubuntu now ?
[10:01] <gerv> Do I know you?
[10:02] <gerv> I've been on Linux for years.
[10:02] <jarle> no luck...
[10:02] <gerv> My primary desktop does have a Windows partition, but my laptop doesn't.
[10:02] <Ximal_> ok
[10:02] <gerv> I can boot using a LiveCD.
[10:02] <Ximal_> aye..
[10:02] <gerv> That's what I'm using (with chroot) to do what I'm doing now.
[10:02] <Ximal_> AHH
[10:02] <Ximal_> well do you have a windows 98 disk ?
[10:02] <Ximal_> a cd i mean ?
[10:02] <Ximal_> if so you can use it's fdisk tools
[10:03] <Ximal_> to fdisk /mbr
[10:03] <gerv> Oh, come on.
[10:03] <Ximal_> it will erase the hold ubuntu has on it and reinstall a different distro
[10:03] <gerv> Are you telling me that Linux can't get me out of the mess it got me in to, and I have to resort to being rescued by Win98?
[10:03] <Ximal_> well..
[10:03] <Ximal_> if ubuntu's live cd is what you are using..
[10:03] <Ximal_> google an fdisk diskette image..
[10:03] <gerv> That's like your hummer running out of petrol and being rescued by an old lady in a DeLorean.
[10:03] <Ximal_> and use the fdisk /mbr command from it
[10:03] <gerv> Why do I need to fdisk /mbr?
[10:04] <Ximal_> it will erase the master boot record allowing you to reinstall and reformatt
[10:04] <gerv> Reinstall and reformat? you must be joking.
[10:04] <Ximal_> it will make any thing you try to install think it's a brand new install.. that's all
[10:04] <Ximal_> just a suggestion..
[10:04] <gerv> Just a suggestion!
[10:04] <gerv> I bet most people's problems go away when you suggest things.
[10:04] <Ximal_> u having trouble booting etc ? or what ?
[10:05] <gerv> "Hey, the GIMP isn't working".
[10:05] <gerv> "Reformat and reinstall, that'll fix it."
[10:05] <Ximal_> all i saw is your "laptop is bricked" which i take to be a total loss
[10:05] <colbert2k7> gerv: dude we all try to help if you don't like the advice no need to ridicule
[10:05] <gerv> OK.
[10:05] <AndyCR1> bricked tends to mean "need to reinstall"...
[10:05] <hanzz> ok.. so upgrade from edgy to feisty fail... i think that i fix it, but i want to run upgrade again.. how can i do it? i'm using kubuntu
[10:05] <Ximal_> yeah man.. i'm new... but i've installed and supported my OWN self and found what works absolute.. i mean not best but absolute..
[10:05] <gerv> bricked in this case is a bit of hyperbole.
[10:05] <AndyCR1> if i brick my router, i need to reinstall the firmware...
[10:05] <gerv> There's nothing actually wrong with the hardware.
[10:05] <AndyCR1> ah
[10:06] <gerv> Maybe I should say semi-bricked.
[10:06] <Ximal_> ok
[10:06] <gerv> Effectively-bricked.
[10:06] <gerv> Pseudo-bricked.
[10:06] <Ximal_> so you can't boot INTO it ?
[10:06] <gerv> Partially bricked.
[10:06] <Ximal_> what's the symptoms / error message ? if you didn't repeat it yet..
[10:06] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[10:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:07] <gerv> I can boot to an (initramfs) prompt.
[10:07] <gerv> Or I can boot from a liveCD and modify the main disk that way.
[10:07] <Ximal_> can you boot in CHOICE mode.. you know.. ermm.. what's it called.. I don't know the proper term..
[10:07] <Ximal_> Where you choose each device that boots..
[10:07] <[miles] > Ximal_: 2 more minutes, desktop is just rebooting
[10:08] <AndyCR1> still cant get my wifi to work
[10:08] <Ximal_> It may be just something stupid hanging..
[10:08] <Ximal_> like network... sound drivers etc
[10:08] <gerv> Ximal_: what's hanging is that it isn't mounting my drive.
[10:08] <Ximal_> but it installed fine ? visual installation not druid etc ?
[10:08] <gerv> I upgraded from Edgy, and as far as I could tell it went fine.
[10:08] <Ximal_> did you try installing fully or did you use some sort of custom ?
[10:08] <gerv> Various conffile conflicts, but I told it to use the new one each time.
[10:09] <Ximal_> ok.. don't upgrade.. do a fresh install.. backup software and files setting etc.. and put them back..
[10:09] <Ximal_> unless you've done some major change to kernel etc etc.. there's no reason to fuss over a fresh install
[10:09] <gerv> Upgrading is supposed to work.
[10:09] <Ximal_> heck even a format to clear out the clutter
[10:09] <gerv> I thought Linux wasn't supposed to get "clutter"?
[10:09] <Ximal_> it can..
[10:10] <Ximal_> installing and upgrading is one of the easiest ways if you don't have a degree sometimes.. lol
[10:10] <[miles] > damn it, seems the nvidia drivers are missing out of the new 2.6.20-14 :-)
[10:10] <gerv> Look, I'm not going to reformat my disk, OK?
[10:10] <Ximal_> like you said.. it isn't WINDOWS lol
[10:10] <gerv> Any less drastic suggestions?
[10:10] <[miles] > Ximal_: ok, explain to me exactly whats up?
[10:10] <Ximal_> well miles.. i'm trying to get sound to work.. when i boot i use the x.x.x.20-14
[10:10] <Ximal_> I haven't tried X-13 yet..
[10:11] <rambo3> :P gerv  you had automatix didn't you ?
[10:11] <Ximal_> The sound drivers don't work but the dang video works awesome
[10:11] <gerv> rambo3: No.
[10:11] <gerv> I try very hard not to install non-free rubbish.
[10:11] <gerv> Hence my horror at the idea of having to be rescued by Windows.
[10:12] <[miles] > Ximal_: what hardware is it?
[10:12] <phaidros> gerv whats the prob?
[10:12] <Ximal_> dude.. i'm going to say to you gerv.. just because mister billy made a program from stolen g00ds doesn't mean using micrashafty stuff is indignable..
[10:12] <gerv> phaidros: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[10:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:12] <Ximal_> Miles I'm using the intel pentium 4 3ghz 1 gig ram chipset dell i bought..
[10:13] <Ximal_> I have a sound max embedded soundcard..
[10:13] <Ximal_> It's all integral hardware.. nothing slotted..
[10:13] <phaidros> gerv: tried to remove mdadm for a test?
[10:13] <Ximal_> cept the vid card..
[10:13] <gerv> phaidros: Yes, just tried that.
[10:13] <gerv> The boot process got even less far.
[10:13] <dragon52225> Hey anyone here have a lower end compaq PC?
[10:13] <gerv> I.e. it got the same distance, but no error message from mdadm.
[10:14] <phaidros> gerv: for some kernels during beta I had to rebuld initramfs for t41p
[10:14] <[miles] > Ximal_: pastebin me the lspci -nn
[10:14] <phaidros> gerv: initramfss /boot/bla.initrd $kernelversion
[10:15] <Ximal_> lol i'm not in linux right now brother.. i'm on my windows side of the hd
[10:15] <phaidros> gerv: maybe that help
[10:15] <Ximal_> I'm going to have to b00t into it..
[10:15] <gerv> phaidros: Thanks for the suggestion.
[10:15] <[miles] >  nod
[10:15] <Ximal_> you wanna wait till i b00t it ?
[10:15] <[miles] > Ximal_: sure
[10:15] <gerv> "b00t"?
[10:15] <EdsipeR> hi
[10:16] <Ximal_> that's right.. I am intelligible enough to use 2 partitions in case something goes wrong on one side so i don't have to use 2 different computers to find out what's up.. lol
[10:16] <EdsipeR> why my ssh ahd vsftpd services wasn't run at boot time?
[10:16] <phaidros> gerv: and for some reason I sometimes read and heared its better to use aptitude and dist-upgrade for updating expecting major changes
[10:16] <gerv> phaidros: When you say "bla.initrd", do you mean "initrd.bla"?
[10:16] <gerv> I don't have any "*.initrd" in my /boot.
[10:16] <phaidros> Ximal_: go trolling somwhere else?? ;)
[10:16] <EdsipeR> do exist any problem in ubuntu 7.04 at boot services?
[10:16] <phaidros> gerv, not??
[10:17] <gerv> I have loads of "initrd.*"
[10:17] <Ximal_> phaidros : not trying to troll.. i'm trying to get honest help . brb
[10:17] <gerv> But no "*.initrd"
[10:18] <phaidros> gerv: right, sry initrd.img-$kernelversion
[10:18] <gerv> OK.
[10:18] <gerv> Before we try and fix that problem, can we fix another one first>
[10:18] <gerv> ?
[10:19] <gerv> It seems I have two packages in a really bad state.
[10:19] <gerv> Whatever I try and do, it says "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal".
[10:19] <gerv> This happens if I try and remove, or if I try and install.
[10:20] <phaidros> gerv: try dpkg -r package and the reinstall with aptitude
[10:20] <gerv> dpkg -r fails with the same error.
[10:20] <phaidros> anyone, is there a --force for dpkg?
[10:21] <phaidros> gerv: that should maybe help if thats your kernel# mkinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19-4-generic  2.6.19-4-generic
[10:21] <gerv> OK.
[10:21] <gerv> Give me a sec to try a few things.
[10:21] <phaidros> np
[10:23] <psyke83> hi, is anyone here using a zd1211-based wireless card?
[10:24] <Ximal> ok
[10:24] <Ximal> back
[10:25] <Ximal> miles : you around m8 ?
[10:27] <rambo3> phaidros, dpkg --h
[10:28] <rambo3> -
[10:29] <AndyCR> ok, talking from my problem machine now
[10:29] <Ximal> MILES : ? You here ?
[10:29] <AndyCR> got wifi to work with iwconfig
[10:30] <AndyCR> im going to apply all updates after i get the system into a usable state and see if that fixes it
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: sorry yeah im here
[10:32] <Ximal> lol it's k m8..
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: best thing to do is grab this script http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh
[10:32] <Ximal> dang more distro upgrade ?
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: and chmod +x filename
[10:32] <Ximal> oh hey what did you want me to paste now ?
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: ./filename
[10:33] <[miles] > Ximal: nah, just do what I've said
[10:33] <Ximal> umm unfortunately i'm unable to follow all you said.. it's been about 4 years since i've ran a distro of linux.. i'm still on mandrake before it became penguin .. :S
[10:34] <[miles] > Ximal: open a console, and type wget http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh
[10:34] <[miles] > Ximal: then type chmod +x alsa-info.sh
[10:34] <[miles] > Ximal: then type ./alsa-info.sh
[10:35] <Ximal> bash: ./also-info.sh: No such file or directory
[10:35] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$
[10:35] <Ximal> i just got that
[10:36] <[miles] > sorry gotta go eat
[10:36] <[miles] > bbiam
[10:36] <pizux> wonder why nautilus-open-terminal isn't include by default ?
[10:37] <pizux> it's by default on kde no?
[10:38] <ThomasWaldmann> moin
[10:38] <ThomasWaldmann> why does ubuntu 7.04 beta call halt with -i and -h options?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> pizux: nautilus isnt used with kde
[10:39] <Ximal> hmm.. how do i find the gforce fx 3d package ? err where's the package installer ?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Ximal: is it a geforce4 card?
[10:39] <ThomasWaldmann> the man page tells that this is unnecessary
[10:39] <Ximal> yes i think so m8..
[10:39] <Ximal> i mean my vid card is working pretty g00d right now though
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Ximal: what is the model
[10:40] <Ximal> erm whats the command to find out ?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> lspic
[10:40] <gnomefreak> oops
[10:40] <gnomefreak> lspci
[10:40] <Ximal> gforce 6800
[10:40] <Ximal> wow
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Ximal: install nvidia-glx using synaptic
[10:41] <gnomefreak> !nvidia | Ximal
[10:41] <ubotu> Ximal: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:41] <michaelfavia> or sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:41] <Ximal> i just found the umm.. AC97 sound thing...  that's what i have is AC97 audio hardware it says
[10:41] <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, makes no difference. joybook s73u doesnt poweroff.
[10:42] <michaelfavia> gnomefreak, that howto is largely useless for feisty no?
[10:42] <michaelfavia> or was t update recently
[10:42] <gnomefreak> michaelfavia: no
[10:42] <gnomefreak> its fine.
[10:43] <gnomefreak> for his card it will work as it did in edgy
[10:43] <Ximal> can't do the sudo right now.. distribution package upgrade in progress
[10:45] <Askar> What do I have to install to make glchess become 3d?
[10:47] <[miles] > Ximal: back
[10:47] <[miles] > Ximal: did you run that script?
[10:47] <Ximal> aye..
[10:47] <Ximal> tried.. got an error
[10:47] <[miles] > what?
[10:47] <Ximal> i think it's because distro upgrade is running
[10:47] <[miles] > doubt it
[10:48] <Ximal> waiting for it finish up right now.. then will try again .. k ?
[10:48] <Ximal> what was the command again ? i did the wget
[10:48] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$ ./also-info.sh
[10:48] <Ximal> bash: ./also-info.sh: No such file or directory
[10:48] <[miles] > give it executable perms by doing chmod +x filename
[10:48] <Ximal> you'll have to type it out miles..
[10:48] <gerv> Ximal: Perhaps "als_a_-info"?
[10:49] <Ximal> trying it now gerv.. thanks
[10:49] <Ximal> nope
[10:49] <[miles] > chmod +x alsa-info.sh
[10:50] <Ximal> mal@ximal-tower:~$ chmod +x also-info.sh
[10:50] <Ximal> chmod: cannot access `also-info.sh': No such file or directory
[10:50] <_dennis_> hi, i installed unrar for ubuntu, so i try sudo unrar -e file.rar but this doesn't seems to work?
[10:50] <Ximal> do i need to root ?
[10:50] <gerv> Ximal: You still can't spell.
[10:50] <[miles] > no!
[10:50] <[miles] > Ximal: where are you from?
[10:51] <Ximal> :( kentucky
[10:51] <Ximal> why ?
[10:51] <[miles] > Ximal: explains the weird english
[10:51] <[miles] > lol
[10:52] <Ximal> nah i grew up loving pc's and after seeing the "zero you know who" movie I ended up falling in love with freenix.. u know.. free software open source community like minded operating system stuff..
[10:52] <Ximal> so i talk stupid after going through the script kiddie / uber leet speaker / type era of crud..  u know.. stupid influence bad habbit maker stuff..
[10:52] <Ximal> lol
[10:53] <[miles] > erm ok
[10:53] <gerv> Ximal: There's nothing wrong with being a newbie, but I might suggest that if someone appears in a support channel with a deeply technical boot-related problem to do with RAID arrays, you might refrain from suggesting that he reformat his hard disk.
[10:53] <Ximal> ermm ok a little bit much of tired speek..
[10:53] <gerv> Knowing ones own limits is a virtue :-)
[10:54] <Ximal> aye gerv i was under the impression you were running a single drive installation..
[10:54] <Ximal> never knew you had raid installed meaning you are using 2 drives as one
[10:54] <gerv> I was. That's rather part of the problem.
[10:54] <Ximal> my apologies m8
[10:54] <[miles] > Ximal: have you ran the fucking script or what?
[10:54] <Ximal> no it won't let me
[10:54] <PriceChild> !ohmy | [miles]
[10:54] <ubotu> [miles] : Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:54] <[miles] > sorry
[10:54] <gerv> !trout ubotu
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trout ubotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <Ximal> sorry miles i'm not trying to be rude..
[10:55] <[miles] > :D
[10:55] <PriceChild> !botabuse > gerv (see the pm from ubotu)
[10:55] <Ximal> or slow.. it's been a long time since i had to run command lines by line by line and on
[10:55] <[miles] > #!(/!" Ximal sort it owt
[10:55] <PriceChild> [miles]  if you get frustrated then step away from irc.
[10:55] <Ximal> the alsa command gives me the no file or directory error
[10:56] <[miles] > Ximal: ok install ssh daemon, port forward your router, and gimme your username and password ;)
[10:56] <Ximal> hmm..
[10:56] <[miles] > lol
[10:56] <Ximal> let me THINK about that one..
[10:56] <[miles] > PriceChild: chill dude
[10:56] <Ximal> ssh server.. NOPE not gonna lol..
[10:56] <Ximal> port forward.. nah.. not opening my ports..
[10:56] <[miles] > Ximal: do you know how to use the console?
[10:57] <Ximal> console as in terminal ?
[10:57] <[miles] > Ximal: open one, do the wget command, then the chmod, then the execute command
[10:57] <Ximal> errr console as in no visual ?
[10:57] <gerv> PriceChild: It's hardly abuse. :-)
[10:58] <Ximal> i did all that and i have this error..
[10:58] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$ ./also-info.sh
[10:58] <Ximal> bash: ./also-info.sh: No such file or directory
[10:58] <gerv> Ximal: You need to cure your continued inability to spell "alsa".
[10:58] <Ximal> AHH
[10:58] <Ximal> derr..
[10:58] <[miles] > Ximal: no offesnse, but running a beta distro and having limited knowledge is a little crazy
[10:59] <Ximal>  http://pastebin.ca/425983
[10:59] <Poul^Laptop> miles, so was i told, but i managed to get around :)
[10:59] <Poul^Laptop> installed fiesty as my first linux :)
[11:00] <[miles] > Ximal: I have that chipset in my desktop box at work... sound works
[11:00] <Ximal> hmm
[11:00] <Ximal> i have a 5 channel soundcard though
[11:00] <[miles] > Ximal: 110% positive
[11:00] <Ximal> wierd ?
[11:00] <darx> hi folks
[11:01] <darx> it appears that certain propreitory codecs are going to be installed by default
[11:01] <Ximal> err well i mean surround sound card
[11:01] <Ximal> what is a default file i can play to test sound then
[11:01] <Ximal> i've tried using beep etc and nothing works
[11:01] <darx> coz i just reinstalled to xubuntu and everything works
[11:01] <darx> Ximal: there are some media files in your home folder
[11:02] <darx> try those
[11:02] <darx> did you find it?
[11:02] <darx> and if you don't hear the startup tune then probably, you sound driver is not installed
[11:03] <Ximal> going to home folder now
[11:03] <Ximal> hmm no sound..
[11:04] <darx> probably driver, try lspci on the terminal
[11:04] <[miles] > darx: I've given him a script
[11:04] <Juhaz> I take it feisty is not supposed to be more sluggish than a gnat in a tar pit with xorg hogging all the cpu?
[11:04] <jarle> Ximal: Volume is often set to 0 after a fresh install...
[11:04] <darx> [miles] : oh sorry.. just came in
[11:05] <[miles] > np
[11:05] <darx> Juhaz: i moved to xubuntu.. and honesty, it rocks
[11:05] <jarle> Ximal: Make sure your volume is set correctly by checking in a mixer for example..
[11:06] <Ximal> i did
[11:07] <Ximal> more than embarrased... but script you gave me to run ?
[11:08] <[miles] > Ximal: what WM u using?
[11:08] <Ximal> ughh wm ?
[11:08] <[miles] > kde, gnome, etc
[11:08] <Ximal> gnome
[11:09] <Ximal> standard ubuntu window manager
[11:09] <Ximal> be it gnome or whatever
[11:10] <Ximal> ello ?
[11:10] <michaelfavia> why does "connect to server" not actually mount the remote location to something a user can save to in the file dialogs?
[11:11] <michaelfavia> it sure would make life alot easier for a good number of people i think.. especially considering windows xp/vista shoddy webdav support
[11:13] <darx> Ximal: whats your sound card?
[11:13] <emet> is RC1 out
[11:13] <michaelfavia> [miles] , not to be picky but you named Desktop environments (gnome, kde) not window managers (metacity, compiz, etc)
[11:14] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/425983
[11:15] <darx> Ximal: strange.. your sound card should be well supported
[11:15] <[miles] > it is
[11:15] <[miles] > lol
[11:15] <[miles] > I have one at work
[11:16] <[miles] > Ximal: dude, remove the Z80 CPU, and swap it for a 65c816 from a super nintendo
[11:16] <Ximal> possible because i'm using a dual ionstall ?
[11:17] <humbolto> I want to design a database layout. Don't need to create the DB, just need a GUI editor to produce a printable layout. Do you guys know any OSS tools for that?
[11:18] <darx> Ximal: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:18] <Ximal> ubu
[11:18] <darx> k
[11:20] <nookie^> hi! trying to install feisty but i can simply pass "Migrate Documents and Settings" nonthing is happening when its supposed to load something there
[11:20] <nookie^> anyone any ideas?
[11:20] <nookie^> had no problems to install EDGY before
[11:26] <pari> hello again, any good news regarding nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[11:28] <PriceChild> nookie^, you realise feisty isn't finished yet? What cd are you using?
[11:28] <PriceChild> pari, still waiting sorry
[11:28] <Daemonik> When Ubuntu 7 is officially released and no longer beta, those of us using the beta can simply apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade and we're good?
[11:28] <finalbeta> Yes
[11:29] <chili5555> update or dist-upgrade?
[11:29] <nookie^> PriceChild: i know that.. but how are people even supposed to install and try it if the installation cant work properly?
[11:29] <PriceChild> Daemonik, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[11:30] <chili5555> try em all!
[11:30] <PriceChild> nookie^, If you can repeat it please file a bug. Might help to know what disc you're using
[11:30] <nookie^> PriceChild: downloaded latest today... f
[11:30] <nookie^> PriceChild: i will report it since i found out on the forums that im not the only one with this problem =)
[11:31] <PriceChild> nookie^, so? developers don't read the forums
[11:31] <PriceChild> nookie^, check launchpad for bugs
[11:31] <nookie^> PriceChild: on the way =)=
[11:31] <PriceChild> nookie^, see if they are being asked for more information etc.
[11:32] <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, new kernel, still no poweroff
[11:32] <AmyRose> Let me get this straight--I have to use the 7184 drivers for OpenGL on my GeForce4?!
[11:33] <AmyRose> or do it manually?
[11:33] <AmyRose> I'd rather do it manually.
[11:33] <AmyRose> Or does nvidia-legacy include the 9631 driver?
[11:33] <PriceChild> AmyRose, Yes for now
[11:33] <PriceChild> AmyRose, If you are patient, 9631 will lbe packaged
[11:34] <PriceChild> bug 96430
[11:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96430
[11:34] <AmyRose> Sure, I was just asking.
[11:34] <PriceChild> :S wasn't meaning to sound  nasty sorry.
[11:35] <nookie^> PriceChild: saw that the bug has been reported 10 times already.. so ill just leave it as it is =)
[11:35] <ThomasWaldmann> will now halt. power down. --> nothing happens, power stays on.
[11:35] <PriceChild> nookie^, hehe :)
[11:35] <PriceChild> ThomasWaldmann, checked launchpad for bugs?
[11:35] <AmyRose> Well, I was just asking PriceChild. I am perfectly fine with blacklisting the nvidia drivers and going the manual route for now.
[11:35] <AmyRose> Someone on #ubuntu-offtopic told me how to disable the nvidia drivers without disabling my wireless
[11:36] <AmyRose> Thanks.
[11:36] <AmyRose> :)
[11:36] <PriceChild> why is 7184 not good enough for you?
[11:36] <AmyRose> Nope. It doesn't work right on my laptop >.<
[11:36] <PriceChild> You want your wobbly windows? :)
[11:36] <PriceChild> ahh ok
[11:36] <AmyRose> Heck yeah, PriceChild!
[11:37] <gerv> Anyone here know anything about mdadm?
[11:37] <PriceChild> !nvidia9
[11:37] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[11:37] <PriceChild> wait no
[11:37] <PriceChild> that's not for feisty
[11:37] <slimz> hey guys, im trying to upgrade to feisty from edgy, using update-manager -c -d, but i get an authentication error, i tried usiung gpg but it didnt help, any ideas?
[11:37] <chili5555> domo arigato, mr.ubotu
[11:37] <Ximal> ha ha ?
[11:38] <AmyRose> PriceChild: I love Beryl. And I am by no means a newbie, so I am comfortable using the nvidia manual installer for now, now that I know how to disable the Ubuntu nvidia drivers without losing my Atheros driver
[11:38] <Ximal> :( my helper dissappeared :(
[11:38] <PriceChild> you just need to add nv to your blacklist
[11:38] <PriceChild> !blacklist
[11:39] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u
[11:40] <ThomasWaldmann> PriceChild: found some discussions, but no solution
[11:41] <PriceChild> ThomasWaldmann, so the bug's reported?
[11:41] <phaidros> gerv: initrd rebuild didn't help?
[11:41] <phaidros> ah sry, gtg
[11:41] <PriceChild> !away > phaizZZz
[11:42] <gerv> phaidros: Every time I do something with apt, it reconfigures mdadm and rebuilts initrd.
[11:42] <gerv> So I must have done it a lot of times.
[11:42] <gerv> I can try again with your particular command line if you like.
[11:42] <gerv> Problem is, it takes ten minutes to boot from the liveCD, so progress is very slow.
[11:42] <gerv> What did you say you wanted me to try, again?
[11:43] <ThomasWaldmann> PriceChild: found some old stuff for 2.6.15, trying to locate new bugreports for 2.6.20
[11:43] <PriceChild> If you think its the same problem as yours then assign the bug to the current kernel
[11:44] <phaizZZz> I had once problems booting feisty kernel (not using raid, so not sure if its related to your problem), removed mdadm and rebuild initrd. see man mkinitramfs \
[11:44] <phaizZZz> hth
[11:44] <phaizZZz> now gone :)
[11:44] <gerv> Remove mdadm and rebuild initrd?
[11:44] <gerv> Sounds sensible.
[11:45] <ThomasWaldmann> PriceChild: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/102322
[11:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 102322 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty Fawn not shutting down" [Undecided,Needs info]
[11:46] <AmyRose> PriceChild: Just adding "nv" to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules fixed it
[11:46] <PriceChild> AmyRose, cool
[11:46] <gerv> I think I tried that already, but I'll try it again.
[11:48] <barktpolar> Did anyone have any trouble with the FF Alternate Installer?
[11:49] <sacater> hey guys, since i installed feisty beta, my monitor gives me an 'OUT OF RANGE' message when i do certain things, what is this and how can i fix it
[11:49] <ThomasWaldmann> there are also some other reports about that behaviour
[11:49] <sacater> i have tried reconfiguring the xserver
[11:49] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: yes, sucks
[11:49] <sacater> especially when i want to have 2 xservers
[11:49] <ThomasWaldmann> barktpolar: i used alternate installer, was ok
[11:50] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: where are these reports
[11:50] <barktpolar> Cool, I was going to use it as soon as i get it downloaded and burned
[11:50] <ThomasWaldmann> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/98790
[11:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 98790 in linux-source-2.6.20 "shutdown can't auto poweroff PC" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:50] <Daemonik> I've had some odd behavior with the FF desktop installer where it'll see my IDE hard disk which is usually seen as /dev/hda as /dev/sdb
[11:51] <barktpolar> Daemonik: Try the alternate installer
[11:51] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: erm, thats nothing to do with my problem
[11:51] <Daemonik> FF alternate sees it as /dev/sda. It could have had something to do with that my laptop is dockable and when I installed FF I did it with an external dvdrom drive instead of the one in the laptop's dock.
[11:52] <ThomasWaldmann> sacater: sorry, that was not for you
[11:52] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: any idea where i can get help for it>
[11:53] <Daemonik> Why does Feisty Fawn see IDE drives as sdx instead of hdx?
[11:53] <ThomasWaldmann> sacater: i would guess maybe the hsync vsync a too near at the limit
[11:53] <sacater> but they are perfect
[11:53] <sacater> i configured myself
[11:53] <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just try a bit less
[11:54] <ThomasWaldmann> some monitors announce more than they can stand
[11:54] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann:
[11:54] <sacater> ok
[11:54] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: no, its correct, it has ranges, not exact specs, and i entered in those ranges
[11:55] <ThomasWaldmann> did you stay well below the upper limit?
[11:55] <Daemonik> "Install in OEM mode". I've done this before and the only apparent difference at a glance was that Synaptic was missing. Are there plans to make in installer where systems ask for usernames and passwords on the first boot like Apple's system does?
[11:55] <Daemonik> I work at a small computer store and we really want something like this.
[11:55] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: lookee here http://benq.co.uk/products/LCD/?product=584&page=specifications
[11:56] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: ive configured xserver and xorg to use just those
[11:56] <ThomasWaldmann> that's the theory :)
[11:56] <barktpolar> Daemonik: FF doesn't do that?
[11:57] <Daemonik> barktpolar, Have only done this with Edgy not FF yet. FF does this?
[11:57] <barktpolar> I Don't Know, I'm not on FF right now, I'm using XP
[12:00] <sacater> exit
[12:01] <Selenolycus> Does anyone know if the latest Feisty Fawn build included any sort of firewall turned-on by default? For some reason I'm getting a no route to port 22 error when trying to SSH in or outbound.
[12:03] <Daemonik> Selenolycus, Ask in #iptables about how to check if it's on or not I guess.
[12:07] <tominglis> hi guys, i updated my installation last night, and the computer now takes an extra minute to boot? i had an error message in the install, something to do with dmsetup and there not being a config file for it?
[12:08] <tominglis> also, when the kernel thingy gets updated with updates it mentions the same file
[12:08] <Selenolycus> Daemonik: What am I going to ask them, exactly?
[12:09] <Selenolycus> Daemonik: If port 22 is enabled?
[12:09] <Selenolycus> How to check to see if it is, rather.
[12:09] <Daemonik> Yes
[12:09] <gerv> Grr.
[12:09] <Daemonik> How to check if it's on or what it's rules are set to
[12:14] <barktpolar> Also when you run FF's cd, it says something about "Driver Update CD" do you have to be online for that part?
[12:16] <wizard_> i am on feisty i just upgraded and i am having an issue with network manager disconnecting virtually every second and reconnecting
[12:16] <wizard_> it goes off comes back then goes off....
[12:17] <tominglis> hi, has anyone been having problems with slow bootup after the update last night, maybe linked to dmsetup?
[12:18] <wizard_> tominglis: no but network-manager keeps disconnecting my wifi card every 3 min
[12:18] <wizard_> well 3 seconds
[12:18] <rambo3> tominglis, alot of people
[12:18] <Blind32> hey all
[12:19] <rambo3> tominglis, /etc/network/interfaces file has some errors ?
[12:19] <rambo3> or extra data
[12:19] <wizard_> uhg every second its disconnecting!
[12:20] <tominglis> rambo3: is that the cause of the slowness?
[12:20] <tominglis> wizard: what wifi card do you have?
[12:20] <rambo3> tominglis, for most people , its trying to connect other devices that dont exist to internet
[12:21] <tominglis> rambo3: ideal, although there is no cruft in my interfaces file?
[12:21] <tominglis> rambo3: do you know what is up with the dmsetup thing?
[12:21] <wizard_> its an intel using the ipw3945 driver
[12:21] <wizard_> tominglis:
[12:22] <tominglis> rambo3: it asked me if i wanted to replace what i had but recommended no, so i didne, and then now everything seems to tell me i don't have a dmsetup config file
[12:22] <tominglis> rambo3: !? :)
[12:22] <tominglis> wizard: did that happen after you upgraded anything in particular?
[12:22] <wizard_> tominglis: its ben doing it forever but moreso today
[12:23] <rambo3> i am guessing it has something to do with new udev , but i am no expert there
[12:23] <rambo3> !uuid
[12:23] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:23] <wizard_> tominglis: however i use network-manager and now that i stopped the default gnome manager it seems to of stopped
[12:23] <wizard_> tominglis: gnome seems to launch two network managers. one looks like a default gnome one the other looks like network-manager
[12:24] <wizard_> tominglis: though i dobut that was it, it seems that network-manager disconnects it frequently.
[12:24] <wizard_> tominglis: especially though when it finds other networks
[12:25] <wizard_> tominglis: like just now it connected dis connected connected
[12:25] <Chicory> Is there any way to disable the "desktop effects" in GNOME?


[01:53] <mcsx3> Good Evening! Everyone. Can anybody here helpme with a little prob? thx. I'm trying to use a ZTE MF180 broadband G3 USB dongle on Unbuntu 12.10. I've found on the Web some solutions, but noone has worked.
[08:24] <darkxst> ricotz, I have gjs building against js188, but still rather broken, patches are here https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4zbelqognlrb2l/gjs188.patches
[08:25] <darkxst> plus you need the 3x RESOLVE_START patches and the other type changes patch from bug 690982
[08:25] <darkxst> ^gnome.bugzilla even https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690982
[08:53] <ricotz> darkxst, great!
[08:59] <darkxst> ricotz, great, might be a bit premature, but getting closer atleast.
[08:59] <darkxst> currently trying to fix a segfault in the importer, which makes no sense
[11:45] <darkxst> ricotz, can you rebuild js188 package without stripping debug symbols?
[11:46] <darkxst> obviously I can do it locally, but really at this point in time, the only people using it, are probably going to want the symbols!
[11:53] <ricotz> darkxst, i will add a *-dbg package
[11:55] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh that is fine if its not to much effort
[12:01] <ricotz> an extra package is better since it will be quite large in this case
[12:10] <darkxst> ok
[12:11] <ricotz> only symbols for the shared lib though
[12:11] <ricotz> the static libs will be stripped
[12:11] <ricotz> dbg package 25MB
[12:11] <ricotz> static debug would be +50MB
[12:13] <darkxst> that is fine, I don't think gjs uses the static libraries
[12:13] <ricotz> yes, just saying
[12:14] <ricotz> i want to avoid those additional 50MB
[12:15] <darkxst> yeh fair enough
[12:15] <ricotz> should be there in a bit
[12:15] <darkxst> ok, thanks
[20:08] <gh0st>  Again, to recap I just installed Gnome remix.  apt-get doesn't work. this is the error:http://paste.ubuntu.com/1496880/
[20:11] <jbicha> gh0st: um, did you read the error message?
[20:12] <gh0st> I'm not really sure what they mean?
[20:14] <gh0st> jbicha: I get errors even without the proxy. Will upload the error log in a minute
[20:18] <jbicha> it doesn't sound like your errors are specific to the GNOME Remix, there's a lot more people that can give support in #ubuntu
[20:30] <gh0st> jbicha:jbicha: alright. Just one more question . I've extracted the contents of the firefox tar file I downloaded online. To run the firefox executable inside, what do I do? double clicking it like vanilla ubuntu doesn't work. Using terminal produces the following error:http://paste.ubuntu.com/1496982/
[20:33] <jbicha> why are you trying to use Firefox from a tarball?


[18:22] <jdstrand> juliank: hey, whenever you get a chance would you mind taking a look at my comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ufw/+bug/1950039 ?


[21:18] <thafreak> I hate to say this, but as much as I dislike microsoft...their xbox support was exceptional...
[21:18] <thafreak> their products are still garbage...but atleast they make it easy to return them
[21:19] <paultag> because they're so error-prone
[21:25] <yano> it's like how the most useful feature that ever came out of Microsoft (System Restore) debuted on the worst version of their OS
[21:26] <yano> (Windows ME)
[21:35] <canthus13> Heh.