[04:46] <Langjan> Morning Kilos howzit
[04:50] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[04:51] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[04:51] <Langjan> OK thks just burned the midnight oil then got lost
[04:51] <Kilos> lol
[04:52] <Kilos> what do you need to know with kde
[04:52] <Kilos> took me a while to get used to it, but once you are familiar with it it works better
[04:53] <Langjan> For starters this thing says proprietary drivers might be required to enable additional features
[04:53] <Kilos> yes then just tick it
[04:53] <Kilos> and it will look for drivers for graphics cards etc
[04:53] <Langjan> refresh driver list? or just ok
[04:53] <Kilos> ok
[04:54] <Kilos> if you have nvidia graphics card then install nvidia-current
[04:55] <Langjan> Have no idea what graphics
[04:55] <Kilos> using the propriety ones you sometimes need to do a reinstall after kernel upgrades
[04:55] <Kilos> it will tell you
[04:55] <Kilos> oh maybe you should have done the refresh thing
[04:55] <Kilos> then it looks for drivers
[04:56] <Langjan> make up your mind, I dont have one here
[04:56] <Kilos> click the launcher and type in drivers
[04:57] <Langjan> I wanted to make a short cut to her documents then it tells me to enter file name and path
[04:57] <Kilos> then tick additional drivers
[04:57] <Langjan> ok one thing at a time
[04:57] <Langjan> whwres the launcher
[04:57] <Kilos> they blue K bottom left
[04:58] <Kilos> everything is found from there
[04:58] <Kilos> when you got time explore all it can do
[04:58] <Langjan> nothing there about additional drivers
[04:59] <Kilos> type in additional then
[04:59] <Kilos> mine shows it
[05:00] <Langjan> type in where
[05:00] <Kilos> when you tick the blue k type
[05:00] <Kilos> it goes in at the top of the window
[05:00] <Kilos> thing
[05:00] <Langjan> ?
[05:01] <Langjan> no place to type
[05:01] <Langjan> or search
[05:02] <Langjan> im having a nightmare
[05:03] <Kilos> nee man
[05:03] <Kilos> when you tick the blue K bottom left it opens a small window
[05:04] <Kilos> at the top is a line where you can type in
[05:04] <Kilos> maybe you need to tick it to focus
[05:04] <Langjan> it opens a menu but no type box
[05:05] <Kilos> what
[05:05] <Langjan> also it says new version available must I upgrade?
[05:05] <Kilos> doesnt it say search at the top
[05:05] <Langjan> no
[05:05] <Langjan> it says help
[05:06] <Langjan> at top and at bottom
[05:06] <Kilos> can you type in there
[05:06] <Langjan> so obviously if you use kde you need lots of help
[05:06] <Kilos> no man
[05:06] <Kilos> have you updated/upgraded
[05:07] <Langjan> no
[05:07] <Langjan> only updates installed
[05:07] <Langjan>  no upgrade
[05:07] <Langjan> no place to type there either
[05:07] <Kilos> open a terminal
[05:08] <Kilos> do you see a terminal/konsole in that launcher
[05:08] <Langjan> run command
[05:08] <Langjan> yes
[05:08] <Kilos> type in sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[05:10] <Langjan> terminal disappears when I enter
[05:12] <Langjan> it does not look like a terminal
[05:12] <Langjan> just a little box
[05:12] <Kilos> which kde have you installed
[05:13] <Langjan> 14.04
[05:13] <Kilos> open another terminal
[05:13] <Langjan> it gives E: The update command takes no arguments
[05:14] <Kilos> try just sudo apt update
[05:15] <Langjan> does not do anything
[05:15] <Kilos> huh
[05:15] <Kilos> wat maak jy daar oom
[05:16] <Langjan> probeer 'n kak installasie doen
[05:16] <Kilos> you type in update and it does nothing?
[05:16] <Langjan> yes cursor just goes to next line
[05:16] <Kilos> are you connected to the internet
[05:16] <Langjan> yes
[05:16] <Kilos> type in ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:16] <Langjan>  sudo apt-get update same result
[05:17] <Kilos> dont use apt-get any more
[05:18] <Kilos> sudo apt update
[05:18] <Kilos> then sudo apt upgrade
[05:18] <Langjan> yes I know just tried it in case
[05:18] <Langjan> ping <IP_ADDRESS> same result
[05:18] <Kilos> reboot it
[05:18] <Kilos> sudo reboot
[05:19] <Langjan> same result no result
[05:19] <Langjan> shall I reboot and try start again?
[05:20] <Kilos> yes
[05:20] <Kilos> did you reboot after the install?
[05:20] <Kilos> weird that terminal not working
[05:20] <Langjan> Yes I did, ok at least that works
[05:20] <Langjan> rebooting
[05:20] <Langjan> again
[05:20] <Kilos> lol
[05:21] <Langjan> developing an allergy
[05:21] <Kilos> then open terminal and type in sudo touch /forcefsck
[05:21] <Kilos> thats weird man, mine just work everytime
[05:22] <Kilos> first time i hear of a konsole not working
[05:22] <Kilos> kde call a terminal konsole
[05:22] <Langjan> ok done
[05:22] <Kilos> you done the fsck
[05:23] <Kilos> then reboot
[05:23] <Langjan> ja man
[05:23] <Kilos> it will do a file system check on booting
[05:23] <Langjan> ok it worked
[05:23] <Kilos> ok then open konsole
[05:24] <Langjan> quick Q on the side
[05:24] <Kilos> type in sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt upgrade'
[05:24] <Kilos> yes?
[05:24] <Kilos> nono
[05:24] <Kilos> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[05:24] <Langjan> her docs were 16 GB but when loaded it only shows 12
[05:25] <Kilos> docs from where
[05:25] <Langjan> backed up from win xp
[05:25] <Kilos> do you have the original folder
[05:25] <Langjan> terminal running on update upgrade
[05:25] <Kilos> ok so 16g on xp
[05:26] <Kilos> and 12g on ubuntu
[05:26] <Langjan> its still on ext hard driibe and backed up on my machine
[05:26] <Langjan> it shows 16 GB on my machine
[05:26] <Kilos> does it show 12g on your machine
[05:26] <Kilos> oh
[05:27] <Kilos> first get everything upgraded etc then worry about docs
[05:27] <Kilos> as long as you have the whole 16g on your machine thats good
[05:27] <Langjan> ok doing uatoremove
[05:27] <Langjan> done
[05:28] <Kilos> no wait man
[05:28] <Kilos> that auto remove you can do anytime
[05:28] <Kilos> anyway
[05:28] <Langjan> terminal said do autoremove
[05:29] <Langjan> anyway its done update and upgrade
[05:29] <Kilos> ok and now konsole works?
[05:29] <Langjan> yes
[05:30] <Kilos> ok now see if you start launcher can you type in additional drivers in the little top window
[05:30] <Langjan> no
[05:30] <Kilos> eish
[05:32] <Langjan> it says system update available and new version also available
[05:32] <Langjan> in notifications
[05:32] <Kilos> leave the new version
[05:33] <Langjan> my allergy is aggravating
[05:33] <Kilos> but update if it wants to
[05:34] <Langjan> if I go to update it wants to upgrade
[05:34] <Kilos> lolol
[05:35] <Kilos> upgrade to the new version or just upgrade 14.04
[05:35] <Kilos> look what it wants to upgrade
[05:36] <Kilos> we should just install teamviewer and i can do it for you
[05:36] <Langjan> that notification has disappreared
[05:37] <Kilos> ah
[05:37] <Kilos> thats because is just saw you upgraded
[05:37] <Langjan> maybe
[05:37] <Kilos> ok
[05:38] <Kilos> how much space have you on drive
[05:38] <Langjan> its smaal, 40 GB about 50% used
[05:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:38] <Kilos> ok do the autoremove
[05:39] <Kilos> that will save a bit
[05:39] <Kilos> gimme a few mins please
[05:39] <Langjan> already done autoremove
[05:41] <Kilos> ok
[05:42] <Kilos> right what next'
[05:42] <Langjan> I want to put a short cut to her documents on the desktop
[05:43] <Kilos> do you see the small window desktop
[05:43] <Langjan> small window desktop?
[05:43] <Langjan> I see the icon, right click gives options
[05:44] <Langjan> then create new
[05:44] <Kilos> yes on the whole screen you should see a smallish window top left
[05:44] <Langjan> then variuous link options
[05:45] <Langjan> small window top right says desktop
[05:45] <Kilos> anyway that window gets removed too easy imo
[05:45] <Langjan> ?
[05:46] <Kilos> you see the whole blue screen
[05:46] <Kilos> it should show a 3 inch by 3 inch window as desktop on the top left corner
[05:47] <Langjan> that little window gives shortcut settings etc
[05:47] <Langjan> its top right corner
[05:47] <Kilos> you can right click create new folder
[05:47] <Kilos> call it docs
[05:47] <Kilos> 3 by 3 ?
[05:48] <Langjan> no
[05:48] <Langjan> run command
[05:48] <Kilos> then its gone hiding already
[05:48] <Langjan> add widgets
[05:48] <Langjan> add panel
[05:48] <Langjan> activities
[05:48] <Langjan> those are the options
[05:48] <Langjan> and lock widgets
[05:49] <Kilos> ill try get you a screenshot when i change drives
[05:49] <Langjan> lock screen '
[05:49] <Kilos> i think you did a bad install there
[05:49] <Kilos> nee man nie daai goed nie
[05:49] <Langjan> wel daars niks links bo nie
[05:50] <Kilos> should be a small window about 1/3 the size of the screen
[05:50] <Langjan> niks nie
[05:50] <Kilos> ai!
[05:51] <Kilos> anyway if you fiddle in it and tick wrong stuff it goes into hiding
[05:51] <Kilos> ok
[05:51] <Kilos> so
[05:51] <Kilos> go to launcher
[05:51] <Kilos> then hover over computer
[05:51] <Kilos> then tick home
[05:52] <Kilos> in home you will see options
[05:52] <Kilos> one is desktop
[05:52] <Kilos> tick that
[05:52] <Langjan> no computer in menu
[05:52] <Kilos> eish
[05:53] <Kilos> lemme do screenshot
[05:53] <Langjan> now I have search term via three colored dots next to K
[05:54] <Kilos> favourites, applications, computer , recently used and leave
[05:54] <Kilos> do you see that
[05:54] <Langjan> no
[05:54] <Kilos> what have you done
[05:54] <Langjan> only favorites
[05:54] <Langjan> foloowed advice to use kde
[05:55] <Kilos> wat maak die oom
[05:55] <Kilos> ya but you doing it with bad feelings man
[05:55] <Langjan> no then I would not have done it
[05:55] <Kilos> that isnt a good install so far
[05:56] <Kilos> open terminal and type in sudo apt install aptitude
[05:56] <Langjan> I will have to leave you shortly
[05:56] <Kilos> ok ill be here on and off all day
[05:57] <Kilos> then type in sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[05:57] <Langjan> how do you open a terminal in this damn thing?
[05:57] <Kilos> when you tick the launcher do you see the search block at the top
[05:57] <Langjan> run command gives that silly little box again
[05:57] <Kilos> and konsole is there too
[05:58] <Kilos> when you get back give me a shout and we try sort it
[05:58] <Kilos> i would install from scratch'
[05:59] <Kilos> are you using whole drive for kde
[05:59] <Kilos> or running alongside
[05:59] <Langjan> aptitude installling
[05:59] <Langjan> whole drive
[06:00] <Kilos> ok
[06:00] <Langjan> now it gives new version of kubuntu option again
[06:00] <Kilos> i have no idea how it can be 50% used then
[06:01] <Kilos> i have 14.04 on an 8g stick
[06:01] <Kilos> yes it nags with that till you turn it off
[06:01] <Langjan> well 40 GB drive with 16 GB docs leaves about 20GB free almost 50%
[06:01] <Kilos> oh the docs there already?
[06:01] <Langjan> yes
[06:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:02] <Kilos> never put the cart before the horses man
[06:02] <Langjan>  but shows up as 20 GB strange
[06:02] <Kilos> you like getting everyone into the car before you put the wheels on
[06:02] <Langjan> well the thing was installed
[06:03] <Langjan> didnt know kde comes in drips and drabs
[06:03] <Kilos> no man
[06:03] <Kilos> ai!
[06:03] <Kilos> jy kan bly wees jy so ver
[06:04] <Langjan> met my allergie ja
[06:04] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <Langjan> lmga!
[06:04] <Kilos> you actually need to play on a working kde and get used to it then you will see how lekker it is
[06:05] <Kilos> and you always have hassles when installing
[06:05] <Langjan> so is upgrade not an option to try?
[06:05] <Kilos> not the one to 16.04 no
[06:05] <Langjan> ok
[06:05] <Kilos> what are the pc specs
[06:05] <Langjan> I dont have such hassles installing ubuntu
[06:06] <Kilos> if its fast you can install 16.04
[06:06] <Kilos> yes you did you just got used to it now and forgot your hassles
[06:06] <Langjan> I upgraded ram from 512 to 1 GB
[06:06] <Kilos> ai!
[06:06] <Kilos> always try have over 2g ram
[06:07] <Kilos> otherwise things are slow
[06:07] <Langjan> ja man thats all I had
[06:07] <Kilos> i have 4g and would like 8g
[06:07] <Langjan> its not running slow
[06:07] <Kilos> good then its quite a fast pc
[06:07] <Langjan> Good little Fujitsu
[06:08] <Langjan> Amilo pro
[06:08] <Kilos> have you done aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <Langjan> no it seems to be stuck on processing triggers for libc-bin
[06:09] <Kilos> patience
[06:09] <Kilos> thats where more ram works
[06:09] <Kilos> things happen quicker
[06:10] <Langjan> dont have time will let it run then contact you later today
[06:10] <Kilos> ok
[06:10] <Kilos> go well
[06:11] <Langjan> you too thkas Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> yw sir
[06:12] <Langjan> ok changed my schedule, will contact you when it has done running
[06:17] <Kilos> lol
[06:33] <Langjan> Can aptitude take that long to install?
[06:34] <Kilos> no its something not happy there
[06:34] <Kilos> but the desktop reinstall is lots
[06:35] <Kilos> basically the whole system
[06:35] <Kilos> as long as it doesnt show error messages you just leave it to run
[06:35] <Kilos> but im sure that was a bad install from scratch
[06:36] <Kilos> maybe some bad sectors in the drive
[06:36] <Langjan> Aptitude is 11 MB
[06:36] <Kilos> aptitude installs in seconds on a good drive
[06:36] <Langjan> I have not got to desktop yet
[06:36] <Langjan> only aptitude
[06:37] <Kilos> you should put the drive in your pc then use disks to format it then clean install
[06:37] <Kilos> i mean once formatted then put it back and clean install
[06:37] <Langjan> will the lappie drive fit? standard coupling?
[06:38] <Kilos> is it sata
[06:38] <Langjan> dunno
[06:38] <Kilos> if its an idea drive you will need an adapter
[06:39] <Kilos> but you can do it from your cd as well
[06:39] <Kilos> have you got 14.04 on stick or dvd
[06:39] <Langjan> boot on ubuntu cd in lappie?
[06:39] <Langjan> yes
[06:39] <Langjan> dvd
[06:39] <Kilos> yes boot from dvd
[06:39] <Kilos> then run disks
[06:40] <Kilos> disk utility, i forget what its called
[06:40] <Kilos> use a unity disk
[06:40] <Kilos> even and earlier release
[06:40] <Langjan> ok lets do that but give me a while
[06:40] <Kilos> 10.10 or something
[06:40] <Kilos> no rush
[06:40] <Langjan> can do 12.04 or 10.04
[06:41] <Kilos> a12.04
[06:41] <Kilos> you can even check for bad blocks from the dvd i think
[06:45] <Langjan> termnal died again
[06:45] <Kilos> boot from dvd
[06:46] <Langjan> will run thro your instructions and keep in touch
[06:46] <Langjan> give me a while
[06:48] <Kilos> ok
[07:04] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[07:04] <Langjan> Format to ntfs?
[07:04] <Kilos> no man
[07:04] <Kilos> ext4
[07:04] <Langjan> ahoy pavlushka
[07:04] <Langjan> ok
[07:05] <Kilos> hi pavlushka '
[07:05] <pavlushka> Hello Langjan & Kilos  :)
[07:05] <Langjan> see what blitsbokke did to nz and fiji
[07:05] <pavlushka> and morning every one.
[07:05] <Kilos> no i have no tv here by ian
[07:06] <pavlushka> Kilos: then go to neighbor's house
[07:06] <Langjan> nz 40-0, fiji in final 26-14
[07:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:06] <Langjan> green and gold monsters
[07:07] <Kilos> lol
[07:07] <Langjan> revenge for 15-man fiasco
[07:33] <Langjan> I think my dvd's are not good, none will boot, only 10.04 which does not seem to have disks available. Will try to burn new iso
[07:33] <Kilos> use 10.04
[07:33] <Kilos> and gparted
[07:34] <Kilos> delete every thing and make new drive
[07:34] <Langjan> is it called disk utility?
[07:34] <Kilos> ext4 and you can name it i think
[07:34] <Kilos> disk utility is good too
[07:35] <Langjan> its a sata disk
[07:35] <Kilos> thats ok
[07:35] <Kilos> gparted will fix it if no disk utility
[07:37] <Langjan> ok now its New Volume 39GB ext4, is that it? Now fresh install
[07:37] <Kilos> yes
[07:38] <Langjan> Going for Ubuntu 14.04
[07:38] <Kilos> new volume is a stupid name for a drive
[07:38] <Kilos> i name them according to size
[07:38] <Kilos> like 40g
[07:38] <Langjan> Whats in a name
[07:38] <Kilos> when you do paths one day to find something you will see
[07:39] <Kilos> short clear name
[07:39] <Kilos> easier to track
[07:39] <Kilos> no spaces or funny characters
[07:44] <Langjan> It refers to a required firmware update
[07:44] <Kilos> install from scratch
[07:44] <Langjan> I saw the same error in kde install but it passed on before I could get all the details
[07:45] <Kilos> firmware for where
[07:45] <Kilos> the motherboard
[07:45] <Langjan> will have to restert and get back to that message
[07:45] <Kilos> ok
[07:48] <Langjan> can nthe screen be frozen on that message?
[07:48] <Kilos> maybe with pause button
[07:48] <Kilos> i have no idea
[07:50] <Langjan> did not pause, all I got was error dev sr0 sector 107900 and then where was a weblink that I could not get
[07:51] <Kilos> ok try the install
[07:51] <Kilos> we can look for bad blocks later
[07:51] <Kilos> the bad blocks command marks them so they arent used
[07:52] <Kilos> same as scandisk in old windows and chkdsk in later ones
[07:52] <Langjan> then funny install screen with three horizontal bars, black top and bottom and red in the middle, same screen showed with kde install and disappeared afterwards, I thought it was as it should be but also shows on Ubuntu install
[07:52] <Kilos> but we will first check if there are bad blocks
[07:53] <Kilos> dont forget all linux is more sensitive to faulty or weak drives than windows is
[07:53] <Kilos> tell the tannie to save for an ssd
[07:53] <Langjan> Cursor shows inside a 20 x 20 mm red block that moves around with it
[07:54] <Langjan> window does not respond to click
[07:54] <Langjan> ok ts going now
[07:55] <Langjan> She did not even want to spend R300 on 2GB RAM
[07:56] <Kilos> lol
[07:56] <Langjan> I had two 512 modules that I donated
[07:57] <Kilos> good man
[07:57] <Kilos> store up blessings in heaven not here
[07:58] <Langjan> what about the firmware warning?
[07:59] <Kilos> lets see if it works first
[07:59] <Kilos> could be a fujitso mb upgrade
[07:59] <Kilos> thats major work
[07:59] <Langjan> error copying files, clean dvd, drive, burn at lower speed or check hard disk age
[07:59] <Kilos> ai!
[07:59] <Kilos> clean it
[08:00] <Kilos> wipe from centre outwards
[08:00] <Kilos> with soft damp cloth
[08:01] <Langjan> ok installer crashed, will do and keep in touch
[08:04] <Kilos> ok good luck
[08:05] <Kilos> i think that drive not in good nick
[08:07] <Langjan> I think you think right for a change, lmga!
[08:08] <Langjan> See my mail re paypal, does not recognise tara's id
[08:09] <Kilos> oh my
[08:10] <Kilos> see pm
[08:12] <Langjan> The link looks like this, I googled the part I could get down: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/brcm80211
[08:14] <Kilos> lemme see
[08:20] <Langjan> install screen is not clear tells me things are not kosher
[08:21] <Kilos> try this
[08:21] <Kilos> use gparted again
[08:22] <Kilos> make a 5g partition and dont use it then make a partition for the rest of the drive and install there
[08:22] <Langjan> must I abort install? It's done about 70%
[08:22] <Kilos> or install xp on 5g
[08:22] <Kilos> well see how far it goes first
[08:23] <Kilos> dont abort
[08:23] <Kilos> it will tell you if it cant complete
[08:24] <Kilos> the first 5g is where most damage occurs
[08:24] <Kilos> boot sectors and so on
[08:24] <Kilos> i have used widows to use that part of the drive and installed alongside
[08:24] <Kilos> oh no
[08:25] <Kilos> not alongside
[08:25] <Kilos> in the left over part of drive
[08:25] <Kilos> but i think then you must make partitions for / which is root and /swap and /home
[08:28] <Langjan> Seems to be installing
[08:28] <Langjan> configuring now
[08:28] <Kilos> yay
[08:40] <Kilos> thank you very much oom Langjan
[08:40] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[08:40] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos :)
[08:40] <pavlushka> I am almost done with the keyboard layout conf :)
[08:41] <pavlushka> just 1 key short
[08:45] <Kilos> well done pavlushka
[08:45] <Langjan> OK Kilos I have to go for a while, will be in touch
[08:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: thanks :)
[08:45] <Kilos> ok ty Langjan
[08:45] <Kilos> ill be here
[09:20] <pavlushka> btw, how to set pm off, someone is spamming me in private
[09:21] <pavlushka> with diff nick
[09:24] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: /block *.<ident> ?
[09:32] <Kilos> hi there frog boots
[09:36] <paddatrapper> Hey oom Kilos. Hoe gaan dit?
[09:37] <Kilos> ok dankie en jy seun?
[09:41] <paddatrapper> Goed. All quiet this side this morning
[10:20] <Langjan> Kilos, it has installed with message "Firmware not found: b43/ucodes.fw" and some more that I could not get. Chat later
[10:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:23] <Kilos> Langjan https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2243945
[10:23] <Kilos> i go lie down for a while
[13:09] <Langjan> You there Kilos ?
[13:09] <Kilos> yessir
[13:10] <Kilos> just mailed you
[13:10] <Langjan> Have a good rest?
[13:10] <Kilos> kinda
[13:10] <Kilos> how far did your installation get
[13:10] <Langjan> Not feeling well or pain or missing your ladies or combination?
[13:11] <Kilos> all of the above
[13:11] <Kilos> hehe
[13:11] <Kilos> just feel a bit weak for some reason
[13:11] <Kilos> maybe its the heat
[13:11] <Langjan> Running nicely on ubuntu 14.04 with gnome desktp, diska shows no bad sectors
[13:11] <Langjan> disks
[13:11] <Kilos> run that command in the mail
[13:11] <Langjan> it is pretty hot
[13:12] <Kilos> it will check properly
[13:12] <Langjan> ok
[13:12] <Kilos> we 39°c here atm
[13:12] <Langjan> let me check
[13:13] <Kilos> just the first command will show the state of the drive
[13:13] <Kilos> if no bad sectors then no further worries
[13:13] <Langjan> 35 in the shade but with ceiling insulation we close windows and curtains mid-morning then inside keeps cool
[13:14] <Kilos> yeah that could help
[13:14] <Kilos> they got wonderful coolers in melbourne
[13:14] <Kilos> water coolers
[13:14] <Kilos> big square thing on roof
[13:14] <Kilos> cools whole house to where i shiver
[13:17] <Langjan> invalid last block
[13:18] <Kilos> then run the next command and it will mark it
[13:18] <Langjan> my cuz reckons Steve Biko is your best bet
[13:19] <Kilos> is that here
[13:19] <Langjan> Pretoria, old H F Verwoerd
[13:20] <Langjan> I think there is an error in your badblocks command?
[13:23] <Langjan> Aussies are well-organized
[13:23] <Langjan> blanke toesig
[13:26] <Kilos> oh
[13:26] <Kilos> i had a friend pass in that hospital
[13:26] <Kilos> service and care sucked
[13:27] <Kilos> kalafong is good
[13:27] <Kilos> had my hernia done there
[13:27] <Kilos> but far from rustenburg
[13:30] <Langjan> # sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > /tmp/bad-blocks.txt
[13:30] <Kilos> that should tell you if there are any
[13:31] <Kilos> look in tmp folder and read
[13:31] <Langjan> service and care sucks in all hospitals, even private ones
[13:31] <Kilos> lol
[13:31] <Kilos> njono
[13:31] <Kilos> nono
[13:31] <Langjan> few exceptions
[13:31] <Kilos> kalafong was great when i went midyear about
[13:32] <Langjan> it looks like its checking
[13:32] <Kilos> and the hernia op was well done with no comebacks
[13:32] <Langjan> yes I remember you had good experience there well then you gotta go for it
[13:32] <Langjan> where is kalafong
[13:32] <Kilos> and
[13:32] <Kilos> proffesors do the serious work while interns watch
[13:33] <Kilos> south of pretoria along church street
[13:33] <Kilos> but thats also too far from here
[13:33] <Kilos> ian says he hears good stuff about swartruggens hospital
[13:33] <Langjan> ok I see it, its closest to you where you live?
[13:33] <Kilos> busy enquiring more
[13:33] <Kilos> yes
[13:34] <Langjan> so whats the prob?
[13:34] <Kilos> what prob?
[13:34] <Langjan> you looking for advice about where to go
[13:35] <Kilos> oh ye i was hoping to find a good one in rustenburg area
[13:35] <Kilos> time away from work costs ian money
[13:35] <Kilos> and adds to workload later
[13:36] <Langjan> swartruggens is not too far from there but seems like Rustenburg is not to be recommended, pity Jak is no longer there.
[13:36] <Kilos> yes swartruggens is 40 ks
[13:37] <Langjan> They appointed a nurse that he trained as super above him, then he upped and left
[13:37] <Kilos> eish
[13:37] <Kilos> thats whe way things are done
[13:38] <Langjan> that machine is still checking, says (read only) test - is it a long process?
[13:39] <Kilos> it checks the whole drive
[13:39] <Kilos> sector by sector
[13:39] <Langjan> 38 million sectors so I suppose it will take its time
[13:39] <Kilos> lol
[13:39] <Kilos> try it on a 1tb drive
[13:40] <Langjan> eish...I can imagine
[13:41] <Kilos> but then you know where you stand
[13:42] <Kilos> it always happens that your most critical system functions always land in bad areas
[13:44] <Kilos> ive had those invalid sector probs before and only way to get rid of it was to zero the whole drive
[13:52]  * pavlushka just added the layout and its working. yay.
[13:53] <Kilos> cool beans pavlushka
[13:53] <pavlushka> হা হা হা
[13:54] <Kilos> no one here understands gibberish
[13:54] <pavlushka> translation "ha ha ha"
[13:55] <Kilos> lol
[13:58] <Langjan> zero errors
[13:58] <Kilos> yay
[14:02] <Kilos> drive wasnt properly cleaned for the kde installation
[14:45] <Langjan> Thks a span Kilos
[14:48] <Kilos> for what lan
[14:48] <Kilos> ai!
[15:43] <magespawn> good evenng all
[15:44] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:44] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:06] <magespawn> hey Kilos you back home?
[16:10] <Kilos> yes magespawn staying by ian in rustenburg
[16:10] <Kilos> lekker beautiful farm but crappie internet
[16:15] <magespawn> ah yes, you can rarely have both
[16:20] <Kilos> wbb
[17:34] <Kilos> haha paddatrapper the ddg function works well
[17:41] <paddatrapper> Kilos: awesome :)
[17:42] <Kilos> im using the bot pavlushka has running by them
[17:42] <Kilos> or testing it that is
[18:04] <magespawn> Kilos: is that part of the new ibid project?
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:56] <magespawn> good night all
[21:02] <kulelu88> howzit okes? hows your sunday evenings?


[00:54] <SamwiseGamgee> testing, can you see this message?
[01:07] <SamwiseGamgee> msg rww I emailed the ban appeal on August 12
[01:19] <Dr_Dan> I have question,  i have Xubuntu 14.04.1 on a asus netbook.  I see problems with ACPI and xcfe-power  where if you set 'Do nothing' when lid closes it -still- seems to Suspend
[01:44] <PhoenixSTF> Dr_Dan: I have the same issue has well, but did not have the time to figure it out
[01:45] <PhoenixSTF> I think I will test it tomorow and check what can be done
[01:58] <Dr_Dan> PhoenixSTF:   this is what it shows...   http://i61.tinypic.com/254v4ms.jpg
[02:00] <Dr_Dan> But it will still suspend when you close lid  :-(
[02:12] <David-A_> Dr_Dan: 1) you are crossposting in #ubuntu. 2) I don't see your image at tinypic, see: http://ctrlv.in/411549 (maybe they require javascript)
[02:37] <Dr_Dan> David_A: sorry.  Try this:  i61.tinypic.com/254v4ms.jpg
[02:41] <David-A_> Dr_Dan: that's the same url, and the site still requires javascript
[02:44] <Dr_Dan> Ok. Sorry.  Anyways it Power Manager applet in  System Settings.  Second panel which "On AC Power".  It says 'when laptop lid is closed :  Do nothing"
[02:44] <Dr_Dan> Follow so far?
[02:57] <David-A_> Dr_Dan: ok, I dont know what the problem is, but for future reference, you could use an image site that does not require js to look at the image. (the one I used does not even require js to post an image)
[03:02] <Dr_Dan> But if i close the lid,  it immediately goes to Suspend mode.  So its like xcfe-manager is ignoring settings.
[03:07] <ToZ> Dr_Dan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1307545
[03:09] <Dr_Dan> Xfce4-power-manager has a bug then?  Ok.  Is there git build with fix?  Or wait for next update?
[03:09] <cfhowlett> Dr_Dan, read the bug report for current status
[03:10] <ToZ> It has been fixed in 1.3, but as I understand it, it won't be backported to previous versions. There is a workaround in that bug report.
[03:10] <ToZ> You'll have to wait for utopic for the official fix
[03:13] <Dr_Dan> Ok.  Looks like workaround is to to set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in logind.conf.   Does that sound right?
[03:14] <ToZ> Dr_Dan, yes. And make sure you uncomment that line (remove the hash mark).
[03:15] <Dr_Dan> Got it.  Will try that tonite.  Thank ToZ.   G'Nite
[03:16] <ToZ> Dr_Dan, you need to reboot for it to take effect.
[03:16] <Dr_Dan> Ok.  Copy that.
[03:16] <Dr_Dan> Nite
[05:45] <vrkalak> hey, baizon .... o/
[05:49] <ner0x> I have to set my keyboard shortcuts Alt+{F1..F4} to switch desktops every time I log in; any idea why that might be?
[05:52] <RedDevil_> Sorry, may be it's reserved shortcuts ... And in this case try to check, before you set it for your own, what they do by default/
[06:06] <ner0x> I have it set on my laptop with no issues. It's just odd.
[06:11] <RedDevil_> ner0x, you use Xubuntu?
[06:24] <RedDevil_> ner0x, I use Xubuntu, and in Xubuntu shortcuts Alt+(F1, F2, F3) used by default.
[06:24] <ner0x> RedDevil_: Right, I changed them.
[06:26] <RedDevil_> ok And if I right understand you, for this shortcuts you set changing desktops?
[09:52] <xubuntu224> hello
[13:26] <dethredic> I'm running Xubuntu and last night I pull down a software update (may or may not be related). This morning (after a power cycle) when I maximize windows I no longer see the titlebar.
[13:26] <dethredic> My monitor's resolution is correct, and my mouse can only go to the top of the screen
[13:26] <dethredic> I tried deleting all of my session data but that didn't help
[13:27] <RedDevil_> On your machine proprietary driver for video card installed?
[13:29] <dethredic> RedDevil_: Nope
[13:29] <dethredic> I have an integrated intel graphics
[13:31] <RedDevil_> In this case it strange ... because I have same problem, but it begins in errors in driver
[13:36] <dethredic> RedDevil_: hrmm
[13:37] <dethredic> I was told to log out and delete my session data
[13:37] <dethredic> I'm gonna try that in a bit
[13:48] <RedDevil_> Sorry, I try to find app that I connected to Mail Reader, or Browser link, don't remember, some thing like Display, or may be something else ... sorry, I really don't remember. Why I talk about it, because if you try to delete Mail Reader or may be Browser, and after it restart your PC, you can get very same action, and if you install back this deleted App, all works fine ) Sorry for randomly talking and confused things, I from Belarus, and not good i
[13:48] <RedDevil_> n English :)
[14:29] <Gatis> How to to switch Desktops with shortkey?
[14:44] <xubuntu533> i'm new to linux
[14:44] <xubuntu533> hi all
[14:45] <xubuntu533> having problems learning how to use command prompts and find drivers
[14:46] <ObrienDave> drivers for???
[14:47] <xubuntu533> an external hard drive isn't mounting
[14:47] <xubuntu533> and when i play video the laptop crashes
[14:52] <ObrienDave> do you know how to use the command line in a terminal?
[14:53] <xubuntu533> I think so, open terminal and put in the command prompt, right?
[14:53] <ObrienDave> pretty much, yes. that's a good start :)
[14:54] <xubuntu533> :)
[14:54] <ObrienDave> what video card do you have?
[14:54] <xubuntu533> how do i find that out?
[14:55] <ObrienDave> well, before that, do you know how to pastebin?
[14:55] <xubuntu533> is there a good web page with a list of command prompts?
[14:56] <xubuntu533> no
[14:56] <ObrienDave> the prompt is what shows you where you are in the directory structure. you mean command list :)
[14:57] <xubuntu533> thanks :)
[14:57] <xubuntu533> ok
[14:57] <xubuntu533> so is there an equivlent to control panel on xubuntu?
[14:58] <ObrienDave> so, in a terminal, you can enter "info" or "help" to see a synopsis of terminal commands
[14:58] <ObrienDave> yes, the settings manager is pretty much the same as control panel
[14:59] <ObrienDave> try those commands in a terminal if you like
[15:00] <ObrienDave> info will give you a longer list that you can navigate up and down with cursor keys, scroll wheel. type q to quit
[15:00] <xubuntu533> I put in info, just reading it now
[15:02] <xubuntu533> so how do I find out why the externl drive isn't mounting
[15:02] <ObrienDave> good. now if you need more info on a command, type man <command>, where <command> is the one you want. like "man ls" for example
[15:03] <ObrienDave> i assume it's a USB formatted to NTFS
[15:03] <xubuntu533> it's an old internal hard drive taken out of a netbook and put in a case
[15:03] <xubuntu533> pluged in by usb
[15:04] <holstein> xubuntu533: "old" may be broken
[15:04] <ObrienDave> ok, does it work on any other system?
[15:04] <xubuntu533> yes
[15:04] <holstein> i would test the drive.. i like gsmartcontrol
[15:04] <holstein> !mount
[15:09] <xubuntu533> I ran gsmartcontrol
[15:10] <ObrienDave> did the drive show up?
[15:10] <xubuntu533> About to execute gsmartcontrol. This command needs root privileges to be executed. Using sudo... Enter ollie password at prompt. [sudo] password for ollie:  <warn>  [hz] Warning: exit: Device open failed, or device did not return an IDENTIFY DEVICE structure. <warn>  [app] execute_smartctl(): Error while executing smartctl binary. <warn>  [app] StorageDevice::execute_device_smartctl(): Error while executing smartctl binary. <warn
[15:11] <xubuntu533> that#s what it said
[15:11] <ObrienDave> k
[15:11] <ObrienDave> do this for now, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:11] <xubuntu533> in the terminal?
[15:12] <ObrienDave> yes
[15:13] <ObrienDave> you can copy and paste to the terminal
[15:15] <ObrienDave> did it install?
[15:15] <xubuntu533> no
[15:16] <ObrienDave> do, uname -a         and paste the line here please
[15:27] <xubuntu533> 3.13.0-34-generic #60-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 13 15:45:27 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:27] <xubuntu533> there you go dave
[15:27] <xubuntu533> does that make sense in relation to the hard drive
[15:27] <xubuntu533> so on linux all hard drive are the same ?
[15:28] <ObrienDave> no, but it tells me you are on the latest 64bit system
[15:29] <ObrienDave> try this, lsblk | pastebinit
[15:29] <ObrienDave> post the URL please
[15:29] <xubuntu533> can you explain to my what pastebin is please?
[15:30] <holstein> xubuntu533: i use "gksudo gsmartcontrol" and i look for the drive... but if its mounting and working on another system..
[15:30] <holstein> !pastebinit
[15:30] <xubuntu533> I've googled it but am a bit confused how it relates to my problems
[15:30] <holstein> xubuntu533: it allows you to more easiler share information with the volunteers here assisting you
[15:31] <ObrienDave> pastebin keep you from being muted or irritating people with multiple lines of text output. for your protection LOL
[15:31] <xubuntu533> cool
[15:31] <holstein> xubuntu533: is the drive working on another operating system?
[15:32] <holstein> by "working".. read and write, and acting "normal" ?
[15:32] <xubuntu533> hang on have a person at the door, will be bac
[15:32] <xubuntu533> thanks for help so far
[15:37] <xubuntu533> the drive worked on windows vista on the same laptop
[15:37] <xubuntu533> i've open pastebin how do i use it?
[15:38] <ObrienDave> well try this first, lsblk
[15:38] <xubuntu533> in pastebin
[15:39] <ObrienDave> no in terminal
[15:39] <ObrienDave> see the tree structure?
[15:39] <ObrienDave> now do, lsblk | pastebinit
[15:39] <ObrienDave> post the URL here
[15:39] <xubuntu533> one sec
[15:41] <holstein> xubuntu533: sure. what do you  mean by "the drive worked" ? if you dont konw that it is working, then i would test it.. if you havent seen it factually working just now, test it
[15:42] <holstein> i use "gksudo gsmartcontrol" to run gsmartcontrol with root access
[15:43] <xubuntu533> dave i'm having to register to pastebin
[15:44] <holstein> xubuntu533: dont
[15:44] <xubuntu533> holstein I have run gsmartcontrol
[15:44] <holstein> xubuntu533: just use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:44] <xubuntu533> do what with it?
[15:44] <holstein> xubuntu533: paste your output there.. dont "overthink" this.. just share the data
[15:45] <holstein> xubuntu533: you open http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and paste the output of "lsblk" there.. you hit "paste!" button, and share back the link you get
[15:46] <xubuntu533> to your username/
[15:46] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:46] <xubuntu533> got it
[15:46] <ObrienDave> you get something like this; http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089925/
[15:46] <xubuntu533> that's the lsblk
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu533: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089929/
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu533: after you press "the button" you get the link to your paste that you can share
[15:48] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu533: no
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu533: see how the link you *just* pasted has no numbers in it?
[15:48] <ObrienDave> LOL copy and paster the URL at the top of the screen. should look like our examples
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu533: that link is just to the main ubuntu paste site http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089929/
[15:49] <ObrienDave> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089925/
[15:49] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:50] <xubuntu533> do i have to put my username in then?
[15:50] <ObrienDave> anything you like will do
[15:50] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089950/
[15:51] <ObrienDave> YAY! \o/
[15:51] <xubuntu533> that's the gsmart one
[15:52] <holstein> xubuntu533: you have been asked to post "lsblk"
[15:52] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8089968/
[15:52] <xubuntu533> had two requests
[15:52] <xubuntu533> that's the lsblk
[15:53] <holstein> xubuntu533: the USB drive is an 160 GB external usb drive?
[15:53] <ObrienDave> under settings, open "removable drives and media"
[15:54] <ObrienDave> storage tab, top 2 boxes checked?
[15:54] <xubuntu533> yes
[15:55] <ObrienDave> open a file browser, does the USB show in the drive list on the left?
[15:57] <xubuntu533> in the the systems manager? yes
[15:57] <ObrienDave> can you access the drive from the file manager?
[15:58] <xubuntu533> no same problem
[15:58] <ObrienDave> what does it say?
[15:58] <ObrienDave> what does it do?
[15:58] <holstein> i would issue the mount command from the terminal, and see the errors..
[15:58] <holstein> !mount
[15:58] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8090016/
[15:59] <holstein> i would use "gksudo gsmartcontrol" to run a test on the drive that would take about an hour, and read the results
[15:59] <holstein> but, that drive seems to just need exfat support
[15:59] <holstein> !exfat
[16:00] <xubuntu533> is that a command?
[16:00] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/370398/how-to-get-a-drive-formatted-with-exfat-working
[16:00] <ObrienDave> is that drive formatted NTFS or FAT32 or exFAT?
[16:00] <holstein> exfat
[16:01] <xubuntu533> fat32
[16:01] <holstein> xubuntu533: i disagree
[16:01] <holstein> xubuntu533: i read exfat
[16:01] <xubuntu533> ok it must be exfat then
[16:01] <ObrienDave> xubuntu533, no things that start with ! are ubottu info commands
[16:02] <ObrienDave> such as,
[16:02] <ObrienDave> !details
[16:04] <xubuntu533>  tag:launchpad.net:2008:redacted  More info: https://launchpad.net/~relan/+archive/ubuntu/exfat Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it  gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmpqrmmtyjp/secring.gpg' created gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmpqrmmtyjp/pubring.gpg' created gpg: "tag:launchpad.net:2008:redacted" not a key ID: skipping ollie@ollie-Presario-F500-GH835EA-ABU:~$ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:relan/exfat
[16:04] <xubuntu533> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8090043/
[16:04] <xubuntu533> that was what happened after added exfat
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu533: friend.. open just one terminal.. and do *exactly* as i type.. paste them in
[16:06] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:relan/exfat
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu533: done?
[16:07] <xubuntu533> yes, thank you all :)
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu533: actually, you dont even need those
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu533: just do..
[16:07] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install exfat-utils exfat-fuse
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu533: are you done with that?
[16:07] <xubuntu533> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[16:07] <xubuntu533> thT ONE DID IT
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu533: if so, you'll need to reboot to get them to take effect
[16:07] <xubuntu533> cheers holstien
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu533: then, you should be able to click on the drive from the left side of the file manager
[16:08] <xubuntu533> it works now
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu533: enjoy
[16:08] <xubuntu533> erm, any ideas about why my video might be crashing ?
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu533: sure
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu533: hardware support of linux
[16:08] <ObrienDave> you need to find out which card
[16:09] <xubuntu533> how do i do that?
[16:09] <holstein> i would look for and try proprietary drivers if there are any for the device
[16:09] <holstein> xubuntu533: i would start with..
[16:09] <holstein> !details | xubuntu533
[16:09] <holstein> how is what crashing when..
[16:10] <xubuntu533> ok, when i was watching an mp4 file it would keep freezing
[16:11] <holstein> xubuntu533: what would? the entire desktop? or the file? what player? where did you get what my4 you tested? did you test any other file types? what codec do you have installed?
[16:11] <holstein> !restricted
[16:12] <xubuntu533> entire desktop
[16:12] <holstein> i would test other filetypes.. i would try vlc
[16:12] <holstein> !info vlc
[16:12] <holstein> i would make sure i have the proper codecs installed.. then, i would move on to graphics driver support
[16:12] <xubuntu533> on vlc and parole
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu533: ok
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu533: as i said, i would try *other* video files.. other types.. see that i have the proper codecs installed. then, i would look at the graphics driver support
[16:13] <xubuntu533> i think it is the graphics driver, how do I get to the graphics driver from settings
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu533: the graphics driver is just included in the kernel
[16:14] <xubuntu533> on windows I used k lite codecs is there are good equivilient on linux
[16:14] <ObrienDave> you could look up the model number specs for your laptop
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu533: there are also proprietary ones for some devices
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu533: i gave a link above already to codec information
[16:14] <holstein> !restricted
[16:15] <ObrienDave> xubuntu533, do this, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:16] <xubuntu533> thanks
[16:16] <holstein> i agree ..^ that wont hurt anything, and will either give you support or not.. then, you can move on knowing that the issue is likely not the codec support
[16:17] <xubuntu533> i have googled this, but am still not clear how to get to the drivers or the hardware on settings
[16:18] <xubuntu533> I'm dyslexic and find it much easier to work things through like this
[16:18] <ObrienDave> xubuntu533, we'll get there, we are going through more common things to eliminate other possibilities
[16:19] <xubuntu533> shall i try and play a vid see if it works ok now?
[16:19] <ObrienDave> you can, if not, reboot and try
[16:20] <holstein> xubuntu533: did you install xubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[16:21] <xubuntu533> yes
[16:21] <xubuntu533> I have something playing see what happens
[16:22] <xubuntu533> so how do i get to the drivers and hardware?
[16:22] <holstein> you are sitting at the hardware.. the drivers are just in the kernel
[16:22] <holstein> xubuntu533: there may or may not be proprietary driver options.. in order to suggest some, again, we need !details
[16:23] <ObrienDave> what make and model is your laptop?
[16:23] <xubuntu533> ok how do i find out what my vid card?
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu533: i would ask the manufacturer.. or, open a terminal and run "lspci" and i would share that output in a pastebin if i needed help understanding it
[16:24] <xubuntu533> so on windows i would go to my comp and properties
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu533: sure.. this is not windows
[16:24] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/72766/how-do-i-find-out-the-model-of-my-graphics-card
[16:25] <xubuntu533> thanks
[16:26] <holstein> xubuntu533: there is no need to just install those drivers if the video seems to be playing fine now
[16:26] <holstein> xubuntu533: i suggest testing the video, and waiting for another lockup
[16:26] <xubuntu533>  NVIDIA Corporation C51 [GeForce Go 6100] (rev a2)
[16:27] <xubuntu533> so far so good
[16:27] <xubuntu533> think it was the codecs
[16:27] <holstein> sure.. so, there are proprietary options.. you can find them in the "software sources" tab.. but, again, i would wait
[16:27] <ObrienDave> xubuntu533, short answer, "If it works, DON'T try to fix it" ;P
[16:27] <xubuntu533> I'm just getting used to using commands to find out and alter stuff :0
[16:28] <holstein> xubuntu533: sure.. just dont alter things
[16:28] <xubuntu533> does anyone find that adding apps to firefow can effect linux
[16:28] <xubuntu533> and is it worth having a firewall?
[16:29] <ObrienDave> a firewall is a necessary evil
[16:31] <xubuntu533> so do i put in ufw into terminal?
[16:31] <ObrienDave> and adding apps to firefox should not affect Linux. but, you never know
[16:32] <ObrienDave> try it ;P
[16:33] <xubuntu533> cool, did the sudo ufw etc
[16:33] <xubuntu533> all good thanks guys you have been a great help
[16:34] <ObrienDave> our pleasure, come back and help when you can, and welcome to the world of Ubuntu :)
[16:35] <xubuntu533> will do
[16:35] <holstein> !firewall
[16:44] <Skutov> Hi there, I'm having a bit of trouble mounting an SD card, I had it mounted earlier, removed it, re-inserted it and it won't mount one of the partitions on the card now, whenever I try to mount the card it gives the error 'mount: File exists' Does anyone know what's up with this and/or how to fix the problem? (The other partition on the SD card mounts automatically and is fine)
[16:44] <holstein> ouch.. hope its not broken, or failing..
[16:45] <Skutov> Doesn't seem to be, it's a kingston one and I've been using it in a raspberry pi for the last few months.
[16:46] <holstein> i would try and test and be sure.. try taking it to another box if you have one handy..
[16:47] <Skutov> I'll give it a go, one sec.
[16:57] <Skutov> All seems fine, and if I do check filesystem in gparted it says no error found.
[17:08] <indrora> Skutov, Where is it trying to be mounted?
[17:09] <Skutov> indrora, in /media/username/ I believed
[17:09] <Skutov> believe*
[17:10] <indrora> Skutov, what's in /media/<username>/ ? Because if there's a directory tree that *has things in it*, mount will grumble that it doesn't like mounting over an existing filesystem.
[17:11] <indrora> Simplest case is you remove the SD card, remove anything where gvfs is mounting things, and try again
[17:29] <Skutov> The file it's trying to mount into is empty, how do I go about seeing what gvfs is mounting?
[17:36] <indrora> Is it a file or a directory?
[17:37] <indrora> @ Skutov
[17:37] <Skutov> Directory sorry.
[17:42] <indrora> Skutov, Best guess would be to remove that directory. Otherwise, I'm not sure if `dmesg | tail` would yield anything helpful here :\
[18:41] <GeoDude> I recently ran the software updater, and afterwards I started getting this https://db.tt/COXmJXIg
[18:41] <GeoDude> a few days and a few reboots later, I still get it occasionally
[18:42] <holstein> GeoDude: did you add a ppa for php?
[18:42] <GeoDude> The only ppa's I've added were the google chrome ppas
[18:43] <holstein> GeoDude: what are you running php with/for ?
[18:43] <GeoDude> I'm running php for nginx
[18:43] <GeoDude> as part of LEMP
[18:46] <holstein> GeoDude: i would confirm all my php configs, and try testing without them.. i would make sure there are no other updates, and apply them and test if so.. i would try a server channel
[18:46] <holstein> !server
[18:49] <m3n3chm0> hello, I'm issued with this dependency in Xubuntu 14.04 installing vlc
[18:49] <m3n3chm0> libavformat55 : Depende: librtmp1 (>= 2.3) que es un paquete virtual.
[18:49] <m3n3chm0> i can't install it
[18:50] <holstein> m3n3chm0: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:50] <holstein> !paste
[18:50] <holstein> ^ share error output
[18:50] <m3n3chm0> ok
[18:51] <m3n3chm0> i've already done before rebooting sudo aptitude update
[18:51] <m3n3chm0> now i'm going to paste in a link what i get as error.. wait :)
[18:52] <holstein> m3n3chm0: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:54] <m3n3chm0> here you got
[18:54] <m3n3chm0> http://dpaste.com/2CJ3WDR
[18:56] <holstein> m3n3chm0: i would.. "sudo apt-get autoremove vlc" ..then, see that "sudo apt-get update" completes without error
[18:57] <holstein> if it does.. then, i would run.. "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. then, try reinstalling vlc
[18:59] <m3n3chm0> thanks holstein
[18:59] <m3n3chm0> the issue was i had this repo enabled ppa:n-muench/vlc  so
[18:59] <holstein> m3n3chm0: thats not a repo. its an unsupported ppa
[18:59] <holstein> !ppa
[18:59] <m3n3chm0> now i'm purging it so then i hope to fix this issue
[18:59] <holstein> m3n3chm0: you can purge it, and try.. or ask the maintainer of the ppa for support
[18:59] <m3n3chm0> yes you're right
[18:59] <holstein> m3n3chm0: good luck
[19:00] <m3n3chm0> no problem, just delete it and use the offical vlc repo :)
[19:00] <m3n3chm0> thanks for your support mate, APPRECIATE
[19:00] <holstein> try ppa purge, and the one in the official repos
[19:00] <holstein> !Info ppa-purge
[19:01] <bazhang> !ppa-purge
[19:01] <holstein> bazhang: :)
[19:01] <holstein> its more than just removing the sources.. that can leave some "broken" versions behind.. ppa-purge tries to help with that
[19:03] <m3n3chm0> ok
[19:09] <m3n3chm0> holstein fixed :)
[19:10] <m3n3chm0> now i have vlc official, no dependencies anymore jaja
[19:10] <m3n3chm0> thanks
[19:10] <m3n3chm0> again
[19:42] <dethredic> I'm having an odd problem. Titlebars on my windows don't show up when the window is maxamized. I did do an update last night (may or may not be related)
[19:42] <dethredic> I tried clearing out my xfce session data but that didn't help
[20:03] <xubuntu784> Hi there! Anyone got some news about the wifi problems in the new 14.04 ? My wifi connexion is unstable and can't stay connected more than 5 minutes... I have to reconnect again every time (and it doesn't work all the time :/).
[21:11] <eatsleepsuplexre> can anyone help me with reinstalling ubuntu
[21:11] <holstein> !install
[21:12] <eatsleepsuplexre> nice
[21:12] <eatsleepsuplexre> lol
[21:12] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: it'll be just like installing was.. you'll just do it again :)
[21:12] <pjotter> Hi everyone. Just upgraded to 14.04 and noticed that automatic mounting of NAS fails at startup. It seems that my network is not ready at that time. Mounting by adding a sleep 30 and mount command in /etc/rc.mount seems to fix this. However, there might be a better sollution to this problem? Anyone?
[21:12] <holstein> i would make sure i have *any* and all data i want or need
[21:12] <eatsleepsuplexre> yeah its just, when i put in the usb... no matter what i do , (boot menu, from usb first hdd second) the grub menu always comes up first.. and theres no option to reinstall
[21:12] <pjotter> I meant /etc/rc.local
[21:12] <garandil> pjotter, what service are you using?
[21:12] <Dragon64> xubuntu784 -- what wifi chipset you using?
[21:13] <holstein> Dragon64: user is gone
[21:13] <pjotter> garandil: What do you mean by 'service'?
[21:13] <garandil> CIFS or NFS?
[21:13] <pjotter> Ah
[21:13] <Dragon64> o ha
[21:13] <garandil> or iSCSI
[21:13] <pjotter> CIFS. But I also tried NFS, same problems.
[21:13] <garandil> try to add _netdev in /etc/fstab
[21:13] <garandil> under options
[21:14] <pjotter> I also tried adding _netdev to the fstab options. But that didn't work.
[21:14] <garandil> pjotter, that's strange
[21:14] <eatsleepsuplexre> ive been through those help sites before.. my problem is not installing, its getting the usb installer to work before the grub boot menu where i can choose my os
[21:15] <garandil> eatsleepsuplexre, BIOS/EFI boot options
[21:15] <pjotter> Well, a search on the internet revelas a lot of people having the same problem. I have been having this problem for a long time now. Also in 12.04. I was hoping that it would be fixed in 14.04. But unfortunately the problem remains.
[21:15] <eatsleepsuplexre> yes, boot usb first , it doesnt change the grub loader
[21:18] <pjotter> It would be great if I could figure out how to make a script that waits for the network to come up and then mount the NAS. I could put that it in /etc/rc.local. Unfortunately, most scripts I tried sofar failed because the -e option is set in the bash of /etc/rc.local.
[21:18] <eatsleepsuplexre> this is so annoying i cant explain myself properly to people
[21:18] <eatsleepsuplexre> fucking over this bullshit
[21:19] <holstein> !langauge
[21:19] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: if you want to reinstall, its just like when you installed the first time. did you install xubuntu 14.04? from USB?
[21:20] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: why are you trying to reinstall?
[21:20] <eatsleepsuplexre> yes
[21:20] <eatsleepsuplexre> i have windows 8 , and ubuntu now, no matter what i do in bios, i cannot boot usb before the grub menu
[21:20] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: you'll just point the bios of the hardware to the USB stick again, and do the same.. and you will get the system reinstalled
[21:20] <eatsleepsuplexre> the grub = first, usb startup = non existant
[21:20] <eatsleepsuplexre> i did point it to it.. i have eufi that can boot from usb
[21:20] <eatsleepsuplexre> i also went into my bios and manually selected
[21:21] <eatsleepsuplexre> usb first
[21:21] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: most machines have a key combination that can make the USB boot
[21:21] <eatsleepsuplexre> hdd second
[21:21] <holstein> !uefi
[21:21] <eatsleepsuplexre> the install was fine , i screwed up now i want to repair the whole damn system
[21:21] <eatsleepsuplexre> or reinstall fresh
[21:21] <garandil> pjotter, I'm poking around to see, I got CIFS mounting up without problems
[21:21] <eatsleepsuplexre> but grub wont let me use my usb
[21:22] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: grub doesnt boot the usb
[21:22] <eatsleepsuplexre> i know but it boots before it
[21:22] <eatsleepsuplexre> T_T
[21:22] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: the machine will boot the bootloader on the usb
[21:23] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: sure.. stop doing it that way, and look into making the machine boot the USB as you did before..
[21:23] <eatsleepsuplexre> omg
[21:23] <eatsleepsuplexre> Yes
[21:23] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: grub, installed on the internal hard drive is not intended to boot the USB installer
[21:23] <eatsleepsuplexre> i cry
[21:23] <eatsleepsuplexre> forget it
[21:24] <eatsleepsuplexre> how can i repair a screwed up ubuntu that has no desktop
[21:24] <eatsleepsuplexre> and says low res mode
[21:25] <eatsleepsuplexre> because i installed the wrong open source amd ppa driver , now sudo aticonfig --uninstall wont work, apt-get install fglrx wont work, because it says " cannot uninstall aticonfig because files have been changed"
[21:25] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: i would look into the graphics drivers
[21:25] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: i would purge the unsupported ppa's and try getting back to stock
[21:25] <eatsleepsuplexre> so icant get any drivers for my gfx , i cant get a desktop ,  nothing just blackness
[21:25] <eatsleepsuplexre> and a console
[21:26] <garandil> eatsleepsuplexre, tried to use remove with -f on the installed package?
[21:26] <Hedgework> eatsleepsuplexre: there are very few things that can't be fixed from the console...and those can't be fixed at all.
[21:26] <eatsleepsuplexre> i dont know how ok
[21:26] <eatsleepsuplexre> im sorry but i am really new, and this is why i wanted to install fresh
[21:27] <eatsleepsuplexre> everything was going fine until i tried to install this stupid driver because my shaders 3.0 wasnt working
[21:27] <Hedgework> eatsleepsuplexre: That's okay, let's start with some basics.  You keep saying that you cannot get your machine to boot to USB...are you getting an error, or does the machine just boot to an internal drive instead?
[21:27] <eatsleepsuplexre> it just goes straight to grub
[21:27] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: you are in the low resolution safe mode, correct?
[21:27] <Hedgework> You realize that the boot USB has grub on it, too, right?
[21:27] <eatsleepsuplexre> i know the usb works, i know boot to usb works, because a few hours ago i Installed ubuntu on the same damn usb
[21:27] <eatsleepsuplexre> and i havent even taken it out of the slot..
[21:27] <Hedgework> (at least if you did it the usual way)
[21:29] <eatsleepsuplexre> what?
[21:29] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: please watch the language and attitude. i relize you are frustrated, but we are all only about volunteering assistance for you, and want to help
[21:29] <holstein> realize*
[21:29] <eatsleepsuplexre> im sorry but im confused
[21:30] <Hedgework> eatsleepsuplexre: I need to afk for a minute (I'm still at work), but I'll try to help when I get back.
[21:30] <eatsleepsuplexre> maybe il just delete the whole ubuntu partiton from my windows
[21:30] <eatsleepsuplexre> will that get rid of grub ?
[21:30] <eatsleepsuplexre> ok
[21:31] <garandil> GRUB is installed in the MBR
[21:31] <eatsleepsuplexre> this is probably why its overriding the usb boot for ubuntu
[21:31] <eatsleepsuplexre> correct?
[21:31] <eatsleepsuplexre> -_-
[21:32] <garandil> if you are to remove it from Windows you also need to run the command prompt, but you can revert installed packages
[21:33] <eatsleepsuplexre> i thought there woulda been a failsafe command in ubuntu like fdisk for windows
[21:33] <eatsleepsuplexre> that checks every package and reverts it back to original setting or something
[21:34] <eatsleepsuplexre> like a repair
[21:34] <garandil> eatsleepsuplexre, you can remove the installed driver
[21:34] <pjotter1> garandil: I might have found a sollution, but need to reboot. brb
[21:34] <eatsleepsuplexre> i cant it wont let me lol
[21:34] <eatsleepsuplexre> it says its changed
[21:34] <garandil> pjotter1, ok
[21:36] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: the internal grub is not blocking the usb from booting
[21:36] <holstein> eatsleepsuplexre: i would choose to either fix the grahpics issue, or work with the bios to make the USB stick boot again
[21:40] <pjotter> it seems to work :)
[21:40] <garandil> pjotter, what did you do?
[21:40] <pjotter> Just a small addition to the /etc/rc.local script
[21:41] <pjotter> Wait, I'll make a paste
[21:41] <pjotter> garandil: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8092443/
[21:42] <pjotter> The echo's are not really nessecary as they will not be visible during booting.
[21:44] <pjotter> The "/dev/null 2>&1" in this script is very important. If you just use "/dev/null" the script will not work as the -e option is used in the bash.
[21:44] <pjotter> But this seems to work just fine.
[21:44] <pjotter> Tried it a couple of times and the Nas was mounted very nicely.
[21:49] <pjotter> Another question: Are people aware that there is a little problem with the panel-Trash-icon in Xubuntu? The status is not displayed correctly when you log out and in again. If there is something in the trash and the icon will display an empty trash. This was also a problem in 12.04. I fixed this with a small script too.
[21:50] <pjotter> You just need to put a dummy-file in the trash and remove it from the trash. Then the status is updated and the correct status is displayed on the icon.
[22:00] <joaoso> hello
[22:01] <knome> joaoso, hello
[22:03] <joaoso> hi knome. i'm having a little problem and tried to find some solution online and nothing
[22:03] <knome> just ask the question; if somebody knows the answer, they'll most probably reply
[22:05] <joaoso> basically i login on xubuntu and the launcher doesnt appear
[22:06] <knome> do you see anything else?
[22:06] <joaoso> just the wallpaper
[22:06] <knome> joaoso, what happens if you press alt+f2?
[22:07] <joaoso> find apps
[22:07] <knome> ok, type xfce4-panel and run it
[22:09] <joaoso> cant run it. says that the file does not exist
[22:09] <knome> ok, then open a terminal, and type xfce4-panel there
[22:09] <knome> do you get some kind of error then?
[22:11] <joaoso> yes. isnt installed
[22:12] <knome> right, then you'll have to install it
[22:12] <knome> once you've done that, run the command again
[22:12] <joaoso> yeah, i already do that
[22:13] <brainwash> pjotter: people = devs?
[22:15] <brainwash> pjotter: looks like you've already commented on the launchpad report which addresses the issue
[22:16] <pjotter> Which launchpadreport?
[22:16] <brainwash> bug 880533
[22:16] <pjotter> Indeed I have.
[22:17] <brainwash> so it also affects the trash panel plugin
[22:17] <pjotter> I only noticed problems with the trash panel plugin.
[22:18] <brainwash> is the trash icon enabled on the desktop?
[22:19] <joaoso> this is awkward, i dont have a full "bar". Does the latest version of xfce working properly with nvidia drivers?
[22:19] <pjotter> brainwash: This happens whether or not the desktop trash icon is enabled or not.
[22:20] <knome> joaoso, i have no problems with that.
[22:21] <brainwash> pjotter: I suggest that you add a comment to the linked upstream report
[22:21] <pjotter> I think most users won't notice because they probably use the desktop trash icon. I like to disable that one and enabele the panel trash icon instead.
[22:21] <knome> joaoso, are you sure you haven't removed other core components or something similar?
[22:21] <pjotter> brainwash: What should I comment? I told them pretty much all I know
[22:23] <brainwash> pjotter: to bump the report, so it's more likely to be seen :)
[22:23] <joaoso> yes, this is a fresh install. i installed the nvidia drivers and reboot
[22:24] <joaoso> login and thats it
[22:24] <pjotter> brainwash: Ah, I see.
[22:24] <knome> joaoso, how come you didn't have xfce4-panel installed then?
[22:24] <joaoso> good question
[22:25] <brainwash> pjotter: other than that, I doubt that it will be fixed any time soon
[22:25] <brainwash> pjotter: moreover, it does not affect the default Xubuntu setup
[22:25] <pjotter> default Xubuntu setup?
[22:26] <brainwash> default xubuntu desktop config
[22:26] <pjotter> It's in the default installation.
[22:26] <pjotter> I just tested it yesterday with 14.04 fresh install. Same problem.
[22:26] <pjotter> 14.04.1 even
[22:27] <brainwash> but you've added the panel trash icon
[22:27] <pjotter> Ok, I see what you mean.
[22:27] <joaoso> this happend  to me  once and i installed xubuntu again. now i'm here
[22:27] <pjotter> Yes, most people won't notice untill they start using the panel icon
[22:27] <brainwash> feel free to investigate further, maybe you can manage to fix this little annoyance with a patch :)
[22:27] <pjotter> I consider that icon to be avaliable by default so...
[22:28] <pjotter> I suspect someone forgot to do a status-update somewhere in the code.
[22:28] <pjotter> I never really looked into any code really.
[22:29] <brainwash> you can join #xfce-dev and ask questions specific to the source code (if you need help)
[22:32] <FRodrigues> hi my power manager does not change
[22:32] <FRodrigues> the sattings
[22:32] <FRodrigues> settings*
[22:34] <brainwash> FRodrigues: which settings exactly? all of them?
[22:34] <FRodrigues> yeah
[22:34] <brainwash> can you give an example please?
[22:35] <FRodrigues> I only want my pc to lock when i close the lid
[22:35] <FRodrigues> so i put in the actions tab in "on ac"
[22:36] <FRodrigues> Lock screen
[22:36] <FRodrigues> after "when the lid is closed:"
[22:36] <brainwash> but it suspends the laptop instead?
[22:36] <FRodrigues> yes
[22:37] <brainwash> bug 1307545
[22:37] <brainwash> it's a known issue
[22:37] <pjotter> There seem to be more problems with the new 14.04 version and laptops. I can't toggle the wifi on my Eee anymore for example.
[22:38] <brainwash> pjotter: but that's a rather specific issue I'd guess
[22:38] <brainwash> pjotter: did you already search for a bug report on launchpad?
[22:38] <pjotter> brainwash: Still workinh on it. But from what I read on the internet, it is specific to a number of laptops. Eee is just one of many who have these kinds of problems.
[22:39] <pjotter> brainwash: I have come across some bugreports that mention these problems. But I haven't had time to look into it properly.
[22:39] <SelenaG> !ops | help channel emergency
[22:41] <FRodrigues> brainwash, thanks for the link
[22:41] <brainwash> pjotter: the new kernel version or firmware files could be the reason
[23:23] <stiv2k_> XFCE4 is still blanking my monitor even though i dont have any screensaver enabled and i disabled DMPS and all that
[23:23] <stiv2k_> how to stop it?
[23:27] <ochosi> stiv2k_: "xset -q | grep timeout" will tell you whether there's a screensaver timeout
[23:35] <stiv2k_> ochosi: ok, one sec
[23:39] <ochosi> stiv2k_: you can then set the new timeout (for the running session only) with e.g. "xset s 600" (600 being seconds, so 10mins)
[23:39] <ochosi> if you want that to persist, you have to add that command to autostart
[23:40] <stiv2k_> ochosi: i want there to be unlimited timeout
[23:41] <stiv2k_> its for a home theater PC, and while watching a movie, the screen goes blank after 5-10 minutes
[23:41] <stiv2k_> very inconvenient
[23:45] <ochosi> stiv2k_: then you want "xset s 0"
[23:51] <stiv2k_> ochosi: timeout is set to 600
[23:51] <stiv2k_> ochosi: where is the GUI option for that? i thought i disabled it in the GUI settings. Is this a bug?
[23:54] <twoofthree> why is it that I install the same xubuntu but i get different results as far as look and feel?
[23:54] <ochosi> stiv2k_: unless you're using xscreensaver, there might not be a gui option for this
[23:55] <stiv2k_> ochosi: i told xscreensaver to stop loading in my autostart
[23:55] <stiv2k_> ochosi: shouldn't there be a gui option? :)
[23:55] <ochosi> stiv2k_: there is in the latest version of xfce4-power-manager
[23:55] <ochosi> but you don't have that yet
[23:55] <stiv2k_> :(
[23:56] <ObrienDave> twoofthree, please elaborate
[23:56] <ochosi> so anyway, set it as i suggested and be happy ;)
[23:56] <stiv2k_> i will.
[23:56] <twoofthree> the apps menu for example. I installed the same OS yesterday and it had the searchable field . Now it simply does not. In fact I cant tell the difference booting from XFCE to Xubuntu
[23:56] <stiv2k_> other thing, how do i tell ubuntu to stop leaving me at the GRUB menu when it falsely thinks the computer didnt shut down properly?
[23:56] <twoofthree> i boot in Xubuntu it still shows the "About XFCE" icon
[23:56] <stiv2k_> its annoying
[23:57] <ObrienDave> twoofthree, Xubuntu also uses the XFCE desktop environment
[23:58] <twoofthree> i just dont understand how i can install from the same cd one day, and another day it sinply install differently
[23:58] <twoofthree> things are just not the same at all. Does Xubuntu do this purposefully? You never know exactly what kind of desktop gui you will get?
[23:59] <twoofthree> i used to be able to search for apps in the application menu, today i install same cd its gone. I dont understand that


[03:07] <Privacee> is there a way to easy snap windows to half the screen just like in Windows 7?
[03:07] <Privacee> easily*
[03:29] <holstein> Privacee: pepperintOS uses the xfce window manager with lxde.. and it has some snap features that do that.. but any more comples and arguably heavier window manager you want to use should do the trick
[03:29] <holstein> at some point, you might just want to use XFCE
[03:31] <ianorlin> hmm on lxde texworks starts half screen
[03:39] <Privacee> i recall reading a lightweight app that allows you to press a keyboard shortcut to snap screens the same way, do you know what it is called?
[03:40] <holstein> i mean, xfcewm isnt heavy
[03:40] <Privacee> yeah, but if i switch to xfce i might as well use Mint Mate
[03:40] <ianorlin> skippy XD in a ppa?
[03:42] <holstein> Privacee: as i said, xfce window manager can be used in lxde..
[03:43] <Privacee> that is basically making my own distro and i'm not skilled enough to fix any problems, you wouldn't support me
[03:43] <holstein> Privacee: those are all repo packages
[03:44] <Privacee> is there an easy way to revert box to openbox if i experience problems?
[03:45] <Privacee> back*
[03:48] <holstein> Privacee: AFAIK.. you will specify whichever you want.. try that peppermint live CD i mentioned and see how they are doing it, and if you like it.
[03:48] <holstein> you can learn to implement it in LXDE if its what you are looking for
[04:09] <Privacee> do sysrq commands work for you in lubuntu?
[04:15] <Privacee> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19X0gng_-qk
[04:32] <Privacee> holstein, is Xubuntu an official Ubuntu release? or do you recommend something else
[04:32] <holstein> Privacee: lubuntu is.. xubuntu is
[04:32] <holstein> Privacee: i can only recomment what will work for you
[14:00] <lokote_jones> After much googling; I am still unconfident in what I have found. Can ANYONE confirm that there is absolutely no way for me to get hardware acceleration out of my Radeon Hd3200 mobility video card in Lubuntu? Is it possible to accelerate the card using the open source driver since the proprietary dropped support for it?
[14:13] <phillw> lokote_jones: I'd suggest looking on / asking on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334
[14:22] <lokote_jones> phillw: There are lots of posts about people trying to get it to work; and it is confirmed that there are NO proprietary drivers for it. But I want to find out more about the open source driver and can't find anything on it. Do you know of a lubuntuubuntu specific site for graphics drivers or something? I just want to be able to run glxgears and see bigger numbers thna 200 lol!
[14:25] <phillw> lokote_jones: the best resource I know of the sticky on that forum I linked above.
[14:26] <lokote_jones> phillw: NP. Thanks. Appreciate the answer. =( I really like lubuntu so far; just want the extra juice from HW acceleration. Thanks again!
[15:03] <saml> hey
[15:03] <saml> i upgraded to 13
[15:04] <saml> and i type my username and password
[15:04] <saml> prmopt disappears, showing the background.. and it just hangs there
[15:04] <saml> i did Alt+F1 and connected to irc
[18:38] <hpuser4477> What's the trick to get scanner working with Brother DCP-150C
[18:38] <hpuser4477> I installed the drivers. Printer works.  Scanner doesn't.
[18:39] <hpuser4477> Xsane can't detect scanner.
[18:39] <hpuser4477> Is there a command to probe the scanner?
[18:48] <phillw> hpuser4477: I suggest grabbing the download from http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_scn.html
[19:08] <hpuser4466> I downloaded the drivers from brother and installed them (including brscan2 for scanner) but scanner still not detected.
[19:09] <hpuser4466> Yes the drivers installed without error.
[19:11] <hpuser4466> I think my lubuntu has messed up because apt-get says linux-image-generic isn't configured properly.
[19:11] <hpuser4466> System keeps upgrading/configuring the kernel.
[19:13] <melodie> hpuser4466 install the packages:
[19:13] <melodie> gutentprint, foomatic-gutenprint, and all related having this name in it
[19:13] <melodie> then reboot with the printer connected and running
[19:14] <hpuser4466> well the printers work, but not scanner. That's the problem
[19:14] <melodie> about scanner you also need sane xsane and all the kind. ok ?
[19:15] <hpuser4466> yeah i installed xsane. I'll check again to make sure everying is installed and configured properly. Thanks
[19:23] <hpuser4466> i had grub-legacy installed. that was causing the kernel config problem. Fixed by installing grub2. Now to troubleshoot scanner.
[19:28] <novato> could you help me please? There is a Brazilian community that operating system here on IRC?
[19:29] <Unit193> !br
[19:30] <hpuser4466> Has anyone tested Vuescan (scanner software) in lubuntu?  Vuescan supports over 2000 scanners but won't detect my brother scanner in lubuntu.
[19:31] <novato> I know that the ubuntu community, I would like to know the Lubuntu.
[19:32] <phillw> hpuser4466: I've never tried it, I use canon scanners and hp / epson printers. They seem better supported. But that brscan2 from brother *should* work on 11.10 and onward releases.
[19:32] <phillw> what version are you running? grub 2 was launched quite a while back!
[19:32] <Unit193> novato: There's no difference.
[19:33] <novato> Thank you then.
[19:35] <hpuser4466> phillw..lubuntu (or ubuntu-lxde-desktop) 12.04 with all updates/upgrades installed
[19:36] <phillw> hpuser4466: you should not have been on grub legacy?
[19:37] <phillw> hpuser4466: Grub version 1.99 became the default on Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)
[19:39] <hpuser4466> i installed grub-legacy to make some usb boot devices. I'm back with grub2 now.
[19:42] <hpuser4466> i know, i'll try the brother scan tool
[19:43] <phillw> hpuser4466: I thought you'd have grabbed that one as well :)
[19:43] <hpuser4466> no i didn't think i'd need it.
[19:43] <hpuser4466> i only installed the printer drives and brscan2 driver
[19:43] <phillw> motto of the story... grab everything :D
[19:43] <phillw> you can always uninstall :)
[19:47] <phillw> for usb boot devices, I've found that http://live.learnfree.eu/download still works, they're doing the work to get the updated version into the official repos.
[19:53] <hpuser4466> I was using the usb-creator-gtk. Worked ok to setup a live usb/installer.
[19:54] <hpuser4466> <back to the scanner. This might take a while to test so i'll leave you in peace. Bye
[21:18] <lokote_jones> Is there any documentation on using Lubuntu to be more private/secure? Like what software to use, how to handle things... If not; can I write something and like present it or something? Somehow get people to see Linux as something better than say Windows and explain how to use it to be better protected?
[21:19] <bioterror> well
[21:20] <bioterror> COPY \windows\system32\cmd.exe \windows\system32\sethc.exe requires admin rights, but with GNU/Linux you dont need even that, you can just init=/bin/bash