[03:06] <billenium> For some reason my quote key looks like this ¨ instead of a normal one... Whats wrong?
[03:07] <maco> billenium: you're using international keyboard with dead keys or with altgr keys then
[03:08] <maco> hit altgr (right alt) along with the quote to get the normal ones
[03:11] <maco> billenium: still here?
[03:14] <billenium> oh sorry...
[03:15] <billenium> How can i change it?
[03:15] <billenium> I think i changed it once... but it changed back after reboot
[03:18] <maco> billenium: umm...i dont use xubuntu
[03:18] <maco> wherever the keyboard settings thing is
[03:22] <billenium> yeah
[03:22] <billenium> but i have no clue what to change it to
[03:23] <crimsun> non-int'l
[03:24] <maco> normal US if that's what you use
[03:28] <billenium> Ah good i got it
[03:28] <billenium> Sometimes on restart it changes...
[03:29] <billenium> How do i stop that?
[03:29] <maco> um, it shouldn't.  perhaps from the login screen it might be different, but your settings *should* be saved
[03:29] <maco> if it's not, that'd be a bug
[03:29] <crimsun> granted, there have been issues with ~/.config and ~/.cache
[03:30] <billenium> okay
[04:18] <Gabe_G23> Could anyone seed the torrent version of xubuntu-8.0.4-desktop-i386.iso? (Not the alternative one)
[04:21] <Gabe_G23> Thanks (whoever listened to me) :)
[04:25] <Gabe_G23> Anyone else? :( I just dropped back down to 1 peer, wait now 2, but only connected to one. ;(
[04:25] <Gabe_G23> And it's only like 1 KB / s :o
[04:34] <genelyk> where  reporting  bugs of  8.10 alpha 1???
[04:36] <maco> genelyk: launchpad, where all bugs go...
[04:36] <genelyk> okzz
[05:18] <Redian> Could someone assist me with VMware player?
[05:39] <cody-somerville> Redian, just ask your question
[05:39] <cody-somerville> and then wait :)
[05:40] <Redian> lol I did :)
[05:40] <Redian> oh
[05:40] <Redian> I guess that's not really a question
[05:40] <Redian> I just figured if I didn't get a response, it probably wasn't worth it
[05:41] <Redian> Could someone help me in getting the config right for VmWare Player on an Eee_pc running xubuntu?
[05:53] <Rhorse> Redian, have you tried the #Eeepc channel?
[05:53] <Redian> o.0 Didn't know there was one.
[05:54] <Rhorse> Redian, having no familiirity with either eeepc or vmware player I couldn't help you. 8 )
[05:56] <Redian> Rhorse: thanks, I just asked over there. I don't think it'll be much help. I'm doing this for my brother. I got him a zune for his birthday, and he threw a fit because its not free as in freedom....so I'm trying to get it working, or at least figure out how. I've used vmware player before for my zune, so I was trying to get it working on his Eee pc. Problem is it just died, so I can't get on it to try anything XD
[06:03] <Rhorse> Redian, yea, you may want to ask on usenet.  alt.os.linux.ubuntu is often very helpful.  No GoogleGroups you need a newsreader.
[06:04] <Redian> Rhorse: link?
[06:05] <Rhorse> oh geez, I doubt your browsers is set up for news://alt.os.linux.ubuntu.  You need a reader.
[06:08] <Redian> Rhorse: Argh, whatever, I'ma push this to the back of my mind for now and get back to coding, thanks for letting me know about the Eee pc channel :)
[06:08] <Rhorse> take care
[08:53] <houbysoft> hi
[08:54] <zoredache> hello
[09:00] <nikolam> When I insert CD or USB drive, I get 2 Thunar winows open. Why is that?
[09:06] <TheSheep> nikolam: because you have two thunars running for some reason
[09:06] <TheSheep> nikolam: kill one and save session
[09:06] <nikolam> how to save session
[09:07] <TheSheep> check the 'save session' checkbox when logging out
[09:07] <nikolam> a-ha
[09:07] <nikolam> So kill it with kill command?
[09:07] <TheSheep> or with system monitor
[09:07] <nikolam> ok, when i do it, what then
[09:08] <TheSheep> you save session without thunar running, or with just one, then when you log in you have always only one thunar running (possibly displaying many windows)
[09:09] <nikolam> ok will do that and i will come back
[09:09] <nikolam> 10x cu
[12:05] <bobbyc> sup guys i got a problem at startup... the screen stays blank and i cant do anything at all. im now writing over an older kernel version. any suggestions how to fix it?
[12:12] <bobbyc> thanks
[12:17] <ecmicro> I would reinstall,  but that's just me
[12:19] <houbysoft> maybe your root filesystem can't be mounted or something, I would check the /etc/fstab file, and rewrite it a little if necessary
[13:22] <ecmicro> what's the best way to "clean up" an installation after switching from ubuntu to xubuntu?
[13:54] <arf`> ecmicro: what do you mean by "clean up" ?
[13:58] <ecmicro> arf`, well I followed a tutorial that walked me through switiching my ubuntu installation to xubuntu but it didn't really detail how to clean up the original ubuntu installation, ie, remove ubuntu-desktop
[13:59] <arf`> ecmicro: it may depends on the way you used to install xubuntu
[13:59] <arf`> ecmicro: anyway, "sudo aptitude purge ubuntu-desktop" may do a part of the job
[13:59] <ecmicro> ah
[14:00] <ecmicro> ok I'll try it
[14:00] <arf`> ecmicro: be careful
[14:01] <ecmicro> will be
[14:02] <arf`> ecmicro: if you used aptitude to install xubuntu, this "purge" operation could work, cause aptitude will remember the packages needed by xubuntu, and just remove the unused dependancy of ubuntu-desktop
[14:02] <arf`> uh
[14:11] <theblue> hi all.
[14:16] <houbysoft> hi
[14:22] <xTheSaintx> sudo apt-get tor, but i dont see it installed anywere...
[14:28] <xTheSaintx> sudo apt-get tor, but i dont see it installed anywere.
[14:28] <xTheSaintx> can anyone help?
[14:30] <arf`> what a patience...
[15:07] <Gabe_G23> Can someone please seed xubuntu-8.0.4-desktop-i386.iso torrent file? :( [not the alternative one]
[15:31] <Aquina> hy!
[16:41] <shane> morning all,i want to install nero for my burner but it is micro will wine install it and on start of nero will wine kick in each time?how does that work
[16:41] <Odd-rationale> there is nero for linux.
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> http://gnomefiles.org/app.php/NeroLinux
[16:42] <shane> thanks Odd-rationale havint seen yah in a while how yah been
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> not too bad...
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> make sure you download the .deb binary.
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> i think only the trial version is free...
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> btw, you might want to try native linux software like k3b or brasero... might be better...
[16:49] <shane> i have brasero but if im not corect nero will also convert,brasero is sincing the vid with aud to well
[16:50] <Odd-rationale> what do you need to convert?
[16:50] <shane> just avi
[16:51] <Odd-rationale> avi to dvd?
[16:51] <shane> i try and burn them as they come down but it wont fit on a 4.7gig dvd
[16:51] <shane> yah i have devede but im thinkin that might be were the sink probs are
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> well, you can try nerolinux as see if that helps..
[16:53] <shane> yah im just installing now, i hope its what im after but if not ill look around for a new converter
[16:58] <shane> nope nero doesnt convert either
[17:07] <shane> is devede the only converter for avi to dvd
[17:08] <TheSheep> shane: no, you can use mencoder afaik, google for examples
[17:08] <shane> k ty TheSheep
[17:39] <pubo> Hi, anybody with xubuntu spanish?
[17:58] <Odd-rationale> !es | pubo
[18:01] <pubo> Odd-rationale, I know, but in #ubuntu-es nobody uses XFCE :(
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> oh... i see...
[18:06] <MacGyverNL> If I want to resize (increase) the /home partition using gparted, I need to copy /home first to another location, comment out the /home rule from fstab, reboot, move /hometmp to /home, start X, resize the partition, deleten /home/*, uncomment the line in fstab and mount /home, correct?
[18:07] <floating> =D that sounds complicated
[18:08] <MacGyverNL> It is, but the laptop I want to do it on can't boot from CD anymore.
[18:08] <MacGyverNL> Any other sensible way?
[18:09] <floating> well, im no good to answer to that but maybe someone come comment. have you checked google
[18:09] <MacGyverNL> Every answer to the question "resize active disk" involves a live CD at some point.
[18:10] <floating> what happens if you just resize the partition from other OS
[18:11] <floating> or just resize in xubuntu.. guess that /home is in use somehow so cant do it but from windows
[18:11] <floating> but i dont take into account many things.. never resized in nix
[18:12] <MacGyverNL> It's a single boot system.
[18:12] <TheSheep> MacGyverNL: you don't have to copy the home
[18:12] <MacGyverNL> Only thing I could do is take out the hard disk, hook it up to another system, boot gparted liveCD from that system.
[18:13] <MacGyverNL> TheSheep: Won't that give me X start errors and login failures?
[18:13] <TheSheep> MacGyverNL: just unmount and create an empty home directory owned by you
[18:14] <TheSheep> MacGyverNL: but you don't even have to do that, as you don't have to reboot
[18:14] <MacGyverNL> TheSheep: umount command says the drive is busy. Can I just forcibly umount without problems?
[18:14] <TheSheep> MacGyverNL: you can boot in recovery mode and just resize the partition
[18:15] <MacGyverNL> Ah.
[18:15] <TheSheep> MacGyverNL: or create another user that has home directory outside of /home
[18:15] <MacGyverNL> Using...?
[18:16] <TheSheep> useradd -m -d /nothome
[18:16] <TheSheep> useradd -m -d /nothome someuser
[18:16] <TheSheep> then change the user's password, give him permission to use sudo, log out, log in as that user, umount home, resize it, mount it
[18:17] <TheSheep> logout and log in as your normal user
[18:17] <MacGyverNL> I'll check that.
[18:17] <MacGyverNL> Thanks :)
[18:52] <MacGyverNL> Is the gparted error Failed to mount "1G Volume".
[18:52] <MacGyverNL> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result). a bug or a configuration problem on my end?
[18:52] <MacGyverNL> Excuse the unexpected \n
[18:58] <TheSheep> MacGyverNL: can you try mounting it from terminal with mount?
[19:13] <MacGyverNL> TheSheep: I have no idea which volume it's talking about, to be honest.
[19:15] <zoredache> it almost looks like a usb device
[19:15] <MacGyverNL> The only USB device I've got hooked up is my mouse.
[19:45] <MacGyverNL> Hmm.
[19:45] <MacGyverNL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/220953 <-- That's the bug I'm experiencing.
[21:03] <nikolam> hi.
[21:03] <nikolam> How do you people search for files on your system?
[21:03] <nikolam> What tool do you use to search , for instance files changed after some date or by size or by name
[21:10] <_rogerio_> hi
[21:10] <StevenX> I just installed compiz-fusion, and it is working fine except for one thing. My application switcher, etc. is not working.
[21:10] <StevenX> for example, alt+tab does nothing, and I've already reverted to the default layout.
[21:37] <Stroganoff> nikolam: in xubuntu i use catfish
[21:38] <nikolam> Stroganoff, And What tool have GUI for that
[21:38] <Stroganoff> it is a gui
[21:38] <Stroganoff> for the common tools
[21:39] <nikolam> i use catfish gui but there is no filtering by date, size, etc
[21:39] <zoredache> nikolam: find usually is prety good if you don't need to search the entire filesystem
[21:40] <nikolam> I am horrified with those search engines like Beagle, they used to halt my machine with "indexing"
[21:40] <nikolam> zoredache, What gui you are using, catfish?
[21:41] <zoredache> no gui... I just search froma terminal
[21:43] <nikolam> a want a gui.
[21:44] <MacGyverNL> How can I browse a windows workgroup network from xubuntu?
[21:44] <MacGyverNL> "Open the Computer Menu, then click on "Network". You'll see a "Windows network" icon, open it." <-- I don't.
[21:44] <zoredache> MacGyverNL: there are several tools, but one of the more popular tools is Fusesmb
[21:45] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[21:46] <MacGyverNL> Is fusesmb what's used for the "Windows Network" browsing in Ubuntu/gnome?
[21:46] <zoredache> no...  The Nautilus filemanager has SMB support built in...  Thunar doesn't do this
[21:47] <MacGyverNL> Ah, okay.
[21:51] <nikolam> there is some plugin for thunar for that
[21:53] <rockyrock> hey guys
[21:54] <rockyrock> I'm new to xubuntu
[21:54] <rockyrock> I just want to ask how can i add the Terminal to the Panel?
[21:55] <zoredache> right click on the panel and choose add new item...  You'll get a list, choose 'launcher'.
[21:55] <nikolam> You can add qicklauncher with right-click on panel
[21:55] <zoredache> in the lanucher details set the run command to be 'xfce4-terminal'
[21:55] <nikolam> and then add xfce4-terminal comand to quicklauncher
[21:56] <nikolam> :)
[21:59] <rockyrock> thnx
[21:59] <rockyrock> guys how do u know these things?? If i want to be like u what should i read??
[22:00] <nikolam> I was just right-click on panel upon install. :)
[22:01] <rockyrock> I have another question, i have Ubuntu on another machine and there is Computer icon inside it, but why there is no Computer icon in xubuntu?
[22:01] <zoredache> rockyrock: read the docks, hang out in this channel and watch other people asking questions, read lots of howtos on the web.  Setup a system with no data where you can play around and not worry about loosing things
[22:02] <rockyrock> it's much different than Ubuntu
[22:02] <zoredache> XFCE isn't gnome.  They have different features, and work differently
[22:02] <nikolam> You can make it if you like. You can right-click on desktop, select Create launcher and add comman, like thunar / or thunar /media or so
[22:03] <rockyrock> is xfce as powerful as gnome?
[22:04] <zoredache> it would depend on how you define powerful.  But the answer is probably 'no;
[22:04] <zoredache> xfce is developed as a light-weight system.   I've only found the one for plain ubuntu so far
[22:13] <zoredache> For the most part everything you see in the ubuntu change log applies to Xubuntu
[22:14] <zoredache> I think the biggest reason they did the 8.04.1 was to release CDs that didn't have the openssl/ssh issue
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> and ff3 final I guess :)
[22:16] <zoredache> Yeah.  It is mostly just a security/bug fix release.
[22:17] <PsynoKhi0> well darn, if MS sent me a new XP cd free of charge everytime they release a service pack...
[22:17] <nikolam> MacGyverNL, : see pyNeighborhood
[22:22] <PsynoKhi0> btw have the hardware req increased since gutsy?
[22:23] <Stroganoff> due to a bug you need at least 64mb ram
[22:24] <Stroganoff> ..for installation
[22:24] <Stroganoff> but you can upgrade from gutsy with 64mb
[22:25] <PsynoKhi0> ok... asking since the homepage says "192 MB to run", and I've had issues with hardy on a system with 128MB,  gutsy works fine though
[22:31] <PsynoKhi0> basically, anything somehow taxing ends up in a system lockup
[22:33] <PsynoKhi0> well... "taxing"... as far as playing an avi file is
[22:37] <PsynoKhi0> dmesg had nothing valuable, Xorg.0.log had something about "DRIunlock called when not locked" but google failed me heh
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> only substancial lead was something under /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> gutsy has nice C1/C2 states with promote/demote... hardy showed active state C0
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> that's as far as I got prior to downgrading
[22:40] <PsynoKhi0> (rather after doing so)


[00:17]  * jml hunches
[00:49]  * jml brunches
[01:16] <jml> you know what
[01:16] <jml> I think we should combine this channel and #launchpad
[01:17] <maxb> Mhm. I'm not really convinced
[02:04] <thumper> mars: I don't suppose you are still around?
[02:09] <thumper> jml: what is your command to kill the mailman bit of make run_all?
[02:10] <jml> thumper, it doesn't work any more :(
[02:10] <thumper> :(
[02:10] <jml> thumper, ps x | grep mailmanctl; kill the appropriate process
[02:11] <thumper> spm: ping
[02:14] <azop> Does anyone have any updates on the redmine + launchpad integration?
[02:15] <azop> Bug #324387
[02:16] <mup> Bug #324387: Support Redmine Bug Tracker for bug watches <bugwatch> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/324387>
[02:17]  * thumper thrashses local lp
[02:24] <jml> thumper, why can't I specify the review type?
[02:25] <jml> oh yuck. bugs.
[02:25] <thumper> jml: I don't know, why can't you?
[02:25] <thumper> jml: you have to specify it before choosing the person right now
[02:25] <thumper> kinda blows a bit
[02:26] <jml> thumper, I'm doing a review using the new form layout that I did a review of for you recently
[02:26] <thumper> and you used the keyboard?
[02:26] <thumper> I found that this morning too :(
[02:26] <jml> thumper, I can't hit Tab, select approve and then Tab to the review type
[02:26] <thumper> yep, bug
[02:26] <jml> thumper, I have to actually click inside the comment field -- that's the only thing that seems to do it
[02:26] <jml> thumper, I guess that explains the comment from Michael Nelson.
[02:27] <thumper> clicking on the review selector works too
[02:27] <jml> about enabling etc.
[02:27] <thumper> it seems to be on click not change
[02:27] <thumper> if you file the bug, I'll fix it
[02:27] <thumper> deal?
[02:27] <jml> deal
[02:28] <jml> thumper, I'm going to file the bug as critical, since I think it's a serious regression.
[02:28] <thumper> jml: it isn't a regression
[02:29] <thumper> jml: same behaviour as before
[02:29] <thumper> yes it is a bug
[02:29] <thumper> but it isn't a new bug
[02:29] <jml> thumper, I'm pretty sure I've been able to hit tab before and have it work.
[02:29]  * thumper tries prod
[02:31] <thumper> jml: it is very weird on prod
[02:33] <jml> thumper, it's broken there too, I see.
[02:33] <jml> thumper, I think the new behaviour is still worse
[02:33] <jml> thumper, precisely because the order of UI widgets is better.
[02:33] <thumper> file the bug, I'll fix it
[02:34] <jml> thumper, anyway, I'll contend that it's an rc bug.
[02:35] <thumper> I'm not sure our windmill tests can test that level of messing around
[02:35] <jml> thumper, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/496820
[02:35] <mup> Bug #496820: "Review type" field is never enabled if you use keyboard only <code-review> <ui> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/496820>
[02:35] <thumper> but I'll add the fix
[02:35] <thumper> ta
[02:47] <thumper> jml: on the plus side it looks like a one liner
[02:47] <jml> thumper, and the down side?
[02:47] <thumper> it nees an rc
[02:47] <thumper> and I don't know how to test
[02:49] <jml> met
[02:49] <jml> meh, rather.
[02:49] <jml> release it first, clean up the bodies later.
[02:53] <thumper> jml: confirmed the one line fix
[02:53] <thumper> now...
[02:53] <thumper> a test
[03:10] <adiroiban> hi. does anyone know how to solve the "Non-english database locales are not supported with launchpad. " problem? Thanks!  http://paste.ubuntu.com/341610/
[03:12]  * jml doesn't
[03:12] <thumper> hmm
[03:12]  * thumper doesn't
[03:12] <thumper> it should be making the db with UTF-8
[03:14] <thumper> stub: do you know anything about the above pastebin?
[03:14] <wgrant_> thumper: Charset != language
[03:15] <stub> adiroiban: The postgresql database cluster needs to be in the C locale or your ordering will be locale specific and all the tests break. You need to rebuild that db cluster in the C locale.
[03:15] <adiroiban> I'm trying to install launchpad on a fresh Ubuntu 9.10 server. The strange thing is that it worked on my Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop
[03:17] <stub> If you are not using PG for anything else (this will destroy your databases), pg_dropcluster --stop 8.3 main; pg_createcluster --locale=C 8.3 main
[03:18] <adiroiban> stub: thanks. I'm using 8.4 and setting a machine for running full tests
[03:18] <adiroiban> so I can destroy it... no problem :)
[03:19] <stub> adiroiban: The Launchpad test suite triggers bugs in PostgreSQL 8.4. 8.4.2 should be out 'real soon' with the fixes.
[03:20] <adiroiban> stub: thanks for the info. I'll go with 8.3 then
[03:22] <adiroiban> right now launchpad-database-dependencies for Karmic depends on 8.4
[03:22] <jml> how do you reload a page in a page test?
[03:26] <thumper> browser.open
[03:26] <thumper> or
[03:26] <thumper> browser.reload()
[03:30] <jml> thanks.
[03:30] <jml> fwiw, I prefer IBranchCollection to the bug task search interface.
[03:31] <thumper> :)
[03:31] <thumper> me too
[03:33] <jml> thumper, btw, love the new activity stuff on the code review page
[03:34] <thumper> jml: thanks, I love it too
[03:41]  * jml afk
[04:25]  * thumper EODs
[04:25] <thumper> will check with danilos later for rc
[04:35] <mwhudson> jml: hello
[04:35] <mwhudson> jml: can you have a look at this patch and see if you think it's ok as far as it goes? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/341643/
[04:45] <jml> mwhudson, ok
[04:57] <mwhudson> jml: any thoughts?
[04:57] <jml> mwhudson, no, not really
[04:57] <jml> mwhudson, I'm not sure what the scope of the patch is
[04:57] <mwhudson> jml: i guess that's good
[04:57] <mwhudson> jml: i just wanted to get a single simple test passing
[04:57] <jml> mwhudson, ahh ok.
[04:58] <jml> mwhudson, I think that's about right.
[04:58] <mwhudson> jml: and then want to check that i'm not doing anything completely tasteless
[04:58] <mwhudson> jml: thanks
[04:58]  * mwhudson has felt like no-one else is in this particular box with him
[05:01] <jml> mwhudson, yeah, I know what you mean
[05:19] <mwhudson> i guess it's time to EOD
[08:12] <adiroiban> can I send merge proposals for LP using "bzr send" on the wiki there is only information about sending via web UI https://dev.launchpad.net/PatchSubmission
[08:20] <jtv> adiroiban: as I recall that was supposed to work, but we've gone through tons of changes since I last used it
[08:21] <jtv> adiroiban: IIRC the main thing I liked it for was the pretty-printed diffs, and nowadays the MP produces that anyway.
[08:21] <adiroiban> jtv: thanks. I'll try and if fails I will use the web ui
[08:23] <BjornT> adiroiban, jtv: using 'bzr send' works perfectly well. i think most people use --no-bundle, but i'm not sure whether it's necessary, or not.
[08:23] <BjornT> adiroiban: don't forget that you need to gpg sign the e-mail, though
[08:24] <adiroiban> BjornT: thanks for the tips. I didn't know about gpg requirement, but I can do it. that's not a problem :)
[09:15] <maxb> Anyone know off hand what python-pullparser is in lp-dev-deps for?
[09:15] <maxb> It's removed from Debian and Lucid
[09:15] <maxb> ("ROM; Unmaintained upstream")
[09:23] <stub> I would suspect parsing hardware database submissions
[09:24] <stub> Possibly for parsing remote bugtracker data
[09:33] <maxb> Shouldn't it be in lp-deps rather than lp-dev-deps for that sort of thing?
[09:35] <maxb> grep: zero hits
[09:37] <maxb> guess I'll try a testrun
[09:45] <BjornT> maxb: i got some hits for pullparser. mechanize seems to use it. mechanize is used by zope.testbrowser, which is used by our page tests
[09:48] <leonardr> i'm getting a segfault when i run the launchpad test suite. any ideas?
[09:48] <leonardr> no output, bin/test just segfaults
[09:49] <leonardr> bin/py runs fine
[09:49] <wgrant> leonardr: You were gone during the 2.5 migration, weren't you?
[09:50] <leonardr> wgrant: indeed
[09:50] <wgrant> leonardr: make clean; make
[09:50] <leonardr> are you sure that will help? this is a brand new branch
[09:50]  * leonardr is trying it
[09:50] <wgrant> The problem is in sourcecode/, IIRC.
[09:50] <leonardr> ah
[09:51] <wgrant> I think the root Makefile has been taught to clean that too, but I guess you'll find out
[09:51] <wgrant> Yeah, make clean should do it all.
[09:51] <maxb> BjornT: Oh, it's inside an egg, explains why I didn't see
[09:56] <mat_t> Hi LP people
[09:57] <mat_t> When posting a comment I often get a popup message with an error:
[09:57] <mat_t> The following errors were encountered:
[09:57] <mat_t>     * Object: , name: u'dead-ayatana'
[09:57] <mat_t> The comment is actually getting posted, but I have to refresh the page to see it
[09:58] <mat_t> This has been a case for quite a long time now... any ideas?
[10:39] <intellectronica> argh, i get a segmentation fault trying to run windmill. has anyone seen something like this recently?
[10:39] <intellectronica> BjornT: have you? ^^^
[10:39] <bigjools> mwhudson: hey how's the build job work coming along?
[10:40] <mwhudson> bigjools: slow progress really
[10:40] <bigjools> is anything blocking you that I can help with?
[10:40] <mwhudson> bigjools: not really, it's just boring typing at this stage :)
[10:41] <bigjools> yeah it's fun making new model classes :)
[10:42] <mwhudson> it's also a bit scary in some ways, you have to put so much work in before you get to something useful
[10:42] <mwhudson> but well, getting through that now
[10:42] <bigjools> it's also a bit of a nightmare testing with our buildfarm
[10:44] <mwhudson> i look forward to having that problem, in some ways :)
[10:44] <mwhudson> anyway, time for bed
[10:44] <bigjools> g'night
[10:45] <mwhudson> good night!
[10:48] <stub> intellectronica: I got a segfault earlier today but make clean and make build cleared it up. I couldn't see a cause - the only thing I'd changed was a .py file.
[10:48] <stub> (between the segfault and the previous successful invocation of that test)
[10:53] <intellectronica> stub: cool, let me try that
[11:40] <adiroiban> henninge jtv can you give me a quick hint about how can I import some templates in lp.dev ?
[11:41] <adiroiban> the defaul import queue is empty
[11:41] <henninge> adiroiban: using bzr import or upload?
[11:41] <henninge> adiroiban: oh, I see what your problem is
[11:41] <adiroiban> henninge: i don't know ...
[11:41] <adiroiban> I only want to have them there
[11:41] <adiroiban> I assume there is a script / cron-job
[11:41] <adiroiban> for that
[11:42] <jtv> adiroiban: just a manual upload is probably easiest
[11:42] <henninge> adiroiban: if you just need something in the queue, a simple upload of a tar ball is easiest locally
[11:42] <jtv> adiroiban: did you upload already?
[11:42] <jtv> once it's in the queue, you need to approve the entry/entries
[11:42] <henninge> adiroiban: you need to "make run_all" AFAIK. jtv?
[11:42] <jtv> yes, that's right
[11:42] <adiroiban> aha. I have uploaded a new POT file for a sourcepackage
[11:43] <adiroiban> but I don't know where it went
[11:43] <henninge> adiroiban: so, uploads should appear in the queue immediately
[11:43] <jtv> check translations.launchpad.dev/+imports.  once the queue entry for the pot is approved, you run
[11:43] <jtv> rosetta-poimport.py
[11:43] <jtv> from the source tree;
[11:44] <henninge> cronscripts/rosetta-poimport.py
[11:44] <jtv> right.  I normally keep my local lp running while I do that, though don't know right now if that's really needed
[11:44] <henninge> jtv: me too
[11:45] <henninge> I mean, I leave it running
[11:45] <henninge> (not my car)
[11:45] <henninge> oh, I don't have a car atm
[11:45] <henninge> ;-)
[11:46] <adiroiban> henninge, jtv thanks. I should be good to go chacking that bug :)
[11:46] <jtv> I would ask what happened to the one you were going to get, but workrave insists I'm on a break now :-)
[11:46] <adiroiban> chasing
[11:46] <jtv> adiroiban: what bug?
[11:47] <adiroiban> jtv: bug 496896
[11:47] <mup> Bug #496896: Permit distribution translation group owners to administer the import queue <ui> <Launchpad Translations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/496896>
[11:47] <jtv> ah cool
[11:47] <adiroiban> jtv: with the latest switch from launchpad.Admin to launchpad.TranslationsAdmin
[11:47] <adiroiban> we need to enable them in the template
[11:48] <adiroiban> it should be trivial
[11:48] <jtv> not sure that really should be "for distribution" and not "for Ubuntu"; we don't want just anyone to register a proprietary distro and start using Rosetta for it
[11:48] <jtv> adiroiban: "trivial" is a bit of a red-flag word for me.  heard it far too many times.  :)
[11:48] <adiroiban> :)
[11:49] <BjornT> intellectronica: what did segfault? the test runner, or the app server? (and no, i haven't seen that before)
[11:49] <jtv> lot of the circumstances have changed w bzr imports though
[11:49] <jtv> adiroiban, henninge: I'm going to try & have that typing break now :)
[11:49] <adiroiban> jtv: regarding new permission, danilo has review them
[11:50] <jtv> adiroiban: then I'm sure it's ok
[11:50] <adiroiban> i hope so. basically he wrote that code :)
[11:51] <intellectronica> BjornT: i think it's test test runner, but i'm not sure. 'Segmentation fault.' was the only output i've gotten after running bin/test. make clean and make build as per stub's advice did make it work again
[11:51] <adiroiban> i just pushed for review some stupid changes and he had to fix them
[11:52] <stub> intellectronica: That was exactly the behaviour I saw.
[13:08] <adiroiban> henninge, jtv can you please help me set up a test where a need to add translations from 2 persons to a pofile. This is what I got now http://paste.ubuntu.com/341860/
[13:08] <jtv> adiroiban: we're just having a call here, hang on!
[13:08] <adiroiban> jtv: np
[13:21] <henninge> adiroiban: in the first code you need to call makePOTMsgSet
[13:22] <henninge> adiroiban: and always use sequence=1 (or more if you have multiple)
[13:22] <henninge> as a parameter
[13:23] <henninge> adiroiban: ok, that is probably what you are doing in the second code, so nm.
[13:23] <henninge> adiroiban: no need to call setSequence, especially not twice
[13:24] <adiroiban> henninge: but in factory.makeTranslationMessage, if msgset is None, it is created...just like I did ...but that way is not working
[13:25] <henninge> adiroiban: so, are you trying to create two translations for the same msgset, or do you just want to add two English strings with a translation each?
[13:26] <adiroiban> I just want to have 2 translators for es
[13:26] <adiroiban> for a single pofile
[13:27] <henninge> adiroiban: so you don't care *what* they actually translated?
[13:27] <adiroiban> nope
[13:27] <adiroiban> i just want to have them in the list of contributors for that pofile
[13:27] <henninge> adiroiban: so the first code should be good if you add sequence=1 and sequence=2 to the two makeTranslationMessage calls.
[13:28] <henninge> and fix the "merged_translatort" typo
[13:33] <adiroiban> henninge: no luck . This is what I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/341882/
[13:35] <henninge> adiroiban: this fails when trying to open a url. What's the url you are trying to open?
[13:36] <adiroiban> http://paste.ubuntu.com/341887/
[13:36] <adiroiban> henninge: sorry. i found it.
[13:37] <adiroiban> thanks.
[14:13] <sinzui> salgado: gary_poster: Is it possible to make TestBrowser to accept a 410 HTTP status code so that I can test what the browser sees?
[14:19] <salgado> sinzui, you can try setting raiseHttpErrors to False in your browser instance, but I'm not sure it will actually work
[14:20] <sinzui> salgado: I think that is exactly what I want. thanks
[14:26] <gary_poster> MTecknology: you saw stuart metcalfe's reply on bug 496360?
[14:26] <mup> Bug #496360: Can no longer log in with OpenID modules <Canonical SSO provider:Fix Released> <Drupal OpenID module:Invalid> <Launchpad itself:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/496360>
[14:32] <gary_poster> leonardr: skype?
[14:39] <leonardr> gary: argh
[14:39] <leonardr> sorry, irc was on the other computer
[14:39] <leonardr> i'm on skype now
[14:50] <beuno> intellectronica, did you send out the noted from yesterdays' call?
[14:50] <intellectronica> beuno: sorry, not yet. will do that now
[14:51] <beuno> intellectronica, thanks, I'm trying to remember what I promised I would do  :)
[15:05] <danilos> sinzui, hi, do you have a few minutes to discuss https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/spam-eggs-bug-495250/+merge/16174?
[15:05] <sinzui> sure, since the tests fail
[15:12] <sinzui> danilos: ^
[15:13] <danilos> sinzui, right, so, even though I'd really like to see this in asap, I think it's something worth punting for the January release so we can make sure we get it nicely polished without introducing risks into this release
[15:13] <sinzui> polished?
[15:14] <sinzui> The can be CPed later this week or next
[15:14] <danilos> sinzui, well, QAd properly (i.e. more eyeballs on it on edge for a while etc.)
[15:16] <sinzui> danilos: actually. I am certain this branch will be CPed since we will not have a full staff watching LP at the end of the Month. I Can land this today, or at the end of the week.
[15:16]  * sinzui hates this branch too much to care
[15:17] <danilos> sinzui, well, can you ensure at least some QA happens? can you QA it on staging or dogfood (by cowboying it in)? otherwise, I'd rather wait for a re-roll or get it CPed later
[15:18] <sinzui> Yes, wait for a reroll. Yesterday was too stressful. I am not willing to hurt myself for scope creep
[15:20] <danilos> sinzui, ok, sure
[15:23] <sinzui> \o/ and I have a legitimate way to test 410 in admin tests! I might be able to do the work I was supposed to do on Thursday, Friday, and Monday
[15:24] <danilos> sinzui, heh, what's the trick there? can you get headers in a browser object?
[15:24] <sinzui> Well there are two tricks for two conditions
[15:24] <sinzui> To view pages that raise a 410:
[15:24] <sinzui>     >>> admin_browser.handleErrors = True
[15:24] <sinzui>     >>> admin_browser.raiseHttpErrors = False
[15:25] <danilos> sinzui, ah, nice
[15:38] <MTecknology> gary_poster: ya, thanks for everything :D
[15:39] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:43] <henninge> sinzui: ah. lights are back on here.
[15:43] <henninge> sinzui: this is the test
[15:43] <henninge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/341957/
[15:43] <henninge> sinzui: yes, it's pushed
[15:44] <henninge> sinzui: ~henninge/launchpad/bug-495126-deactivate-users
[15:46] <MTecknology> gary_poster: so - do you know when that change did happen?
[15:47] <henninge> sinzui: wait, I just saw an error in the test!
[19:22] <mwhudson_> morning
[20:18] <MTecknology> Can I get a static link to a launchpad team image? Instead of say https://launchpadlibrarian.net/19775148/g2529.png I have https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-southdakota/+image/large
[20:18] <beuno> MTecknology, there os no such URL
[20:18] <beuno> but I think it would be useful
[20:18] <beuno> not sure how much work it would be
[20:19] <MTecknology> beuno: I could really really use something like that about now :P
[20:20] <MTecknology> beuno: for the LoCo Map
[20:20] <MTecknology> I'll file a bug when I get back in ~10min - see how hard it would be
[20:20] <MTecknology> THanks
[20:23] <maxb> Such an URL would only be useful for pulling the images externally without consulting the API, though
[20:31] <lifeless> MTecknology: short answer is no, it would allow xss attacks
[20:32] <lifeless> unless its off in a different domain anyway, so you'd still not be able to just use the team url
[20:38] <MTecknology> lifeless: how so?
[20:39] <MTecknology> maxb: can I use the api to do that?
[20:41] <maxb> XSS attacks? Even though it's presumably forced to be an image?
[20:41] <MTecknology> maxb: you mean by uploading a harmful image?
[20:42] <MTecknology> wouldn't that still be vulnerable in the same way?
[20:42] <maxb> Can an image be harmful?
[20:43] <MTecknology> ya..
[20:44] <MTecknology> I was just lookin in the apidoc and I don't see an image for teams - nor do I really know how to use the api anyway
[20:44] <MTecknology> nvm - mugshot_link
[20:44] <MTecknology> Now I need to learn how to actually use the api to make use of this...
[20:51] <lifeless> maxb: there have been many bugs found in image libraries
[20:51] <lifeless> maxb: so yes
[20:52] <MTecknology> Unknown consumer (None).
[20:52] <MTecknology> I can't use it yet, can I?
[20:52] <wgrant> lifeless: Lots of files are served from URLs like that -- they just redirect to a librarian URL immediately.
[20:53] <lifeless> wgrant: gotcha
[20:55] <MTecknology> Can I use the API in this way or is it not open for me to use?
[20:56] <wgrant> You cannot yet easily use it anonymously.
[20:57] <MTecknology> wgrant: Is there any way I can become not so anonymous?
[21:06] <wgrant> MTecknology: https://help.launchpad.net/API
[21:08] <MTecknology> wgrant: I was looking at that
[21:08] <MTecknology> it's somewhat outside of my comprehension :P
[21:16] <MTecknology> ok - I'm starting to get it.. this will need to be PHP in the end though... Thanks
[21:17] <wgrant> Ew ew ew why?
[21:18] <MTecknology> wgrant: I'll try to use python
[21:19] <MTecknology> The only thing this is even doing is grabbing the image url :P
[21:20] <wgrant> MTecknology: Retrieve a URL like https://launchpad.net/api/beta/~motuscience/mugshot_link
[21:20] <wgrant> You  should be able to do that unauthenticated.
[21:21] <MTecknology> wgrant: except for the error it's giving me..
[21:21] <MTecknology> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
[21:22] <wgrant> MTecknology: That's because it not an XHTML document, but a raw URL.
[21:22] <wgrant> I don't know why the mimetype is wrong, but you should ignore that.
[21:22] <MTecknology> https://launchpad.net/api/beta/~ubuntu-southdakota/mugshot
[21:22] <MTecknology> there :)
[21:23] <wgrant> Ah, that redirects. Nice.
[21:23] <MTecknology> that's exactly what I want :D
[21:25] <MTecknology> wgrant: thanks :D
[21:25] <mars> Down to running the final spam names filter.    I'm just pointing out where the bodies are buried.
[21:29] <mars> maybe 1500 of them
[21:29] <wgrant> Ouch.
[21:30] <mars> yay for automation
[21:30] <MTecknology> mars: you should automate a tool for them to destroy them too
[21:31] <MTecknology> ie - box pops up; they glance and verify; destroy; tool moves on
[21:31] <MTecknology> 1yr later all 1.5k are gone and they have a new batch
[21:31] <mars> MTecknology, yeah, but they know the proper procedures, and I can just hand a confident list over to them.
[21:32] <mars> and there are ways to do graduated deactivation in such a way that wrongfully nixed accounts have recourse
[21:33] <MTecknology> mars: you lost me there - "graduate deactivation"
[21:33] <mars> MTecknology, erm, "graduated deactivation": deactivate, send an email stating the reason, "Go here to reactivate if we're wrong", after X days shut it down.
[21:34] <MTecknology> oh
[21:35] <mars> "christmas-trees-for-sale-72"  Huh?
[21:36] <MTecknology> mars: don't delete me; I'm legit
[21:36] <MTecknology> regardless of what google says
[21:36] <mars> edge.launchpad.net/~christmas-trees-for-sale72
[21:38] <MTecknology> mars: HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
[21:38] <MTecknology>  goes to google.com
[21:40] <mars> now how the heck did that get in there.  Was it part of the same operation that is generating the pharma-spam?


[09:06] <jamespage> xnox: morning
[09:07] <jamespage> xnox: quick q for you - which boost version are we going to default for artful?
[10:43] <jamespage> if there is an archive-admin around - please could vine be promoted to main (approved under bug 1688091)
[10:43] <jamespage> that will help with unblocking the proposed migration of openstack pike1 updates before I start on pike2 this week
[10:59] <ogra> since when is this channel +r ? thats quite annoying
[11:12] <cjwatson> ogra_: spammers ruin things for everyone, probably
[11:13] <ogra_> yeah
[11:13] <cjwatson> we had a *lot* of junk over the last few days
[11:23] <ogra_> i noticed and i guess i'll live with +r ... just annoying
[11:35] <mdeslaur> is there a way to make hexchat wait until after identification before trying to join?
[11:37] <Laney> you can authenticate during connection
[11:37] <Laney> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat
[11:51] <mdeslaur> Laney: oh! cool, thanks
[11:54] <mdeslaur> Laney: that worked, thanks
[11:54] <Laney> mdeslaur: ♥
[13:06] <juliank> OK, so I opened both bug 1694702 and bug 1694697 for tracking the issue slangasek reported yesterday. We can SRU both, but validation might get a bit complicated because the patch for apt also works around the off-by-one problem in python-apt
[13:08] <juliank> That is, you'll have to test python-apt without the coming proposed apt, otherwise you don't see the issue at all
[13:12] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: hi! think you could merge strongswan to get the security fixes?
[13:32] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: hi did they update Debian - let me check
[13:34] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: you don't mean the 5.5.2-1 in experimental but the 5.5.1-4 in unstable right?
[13:34] <mdeslaur> right, -4 in unstable has the security fixes
[13:39] <cpaelzer> yeah I can look at it mdeslaur
[13:39] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: thanks!
[13:39] <cpaelzer> next time when libvirt is compiling an hour ...
[13:40] <Laney> sword fight time
[13:42] <cpaelzer> Laney: https://xkcd.com/303/ ?
[13:43]  * Laney nod
[13:43] <Laney> :)
[13:47] <Laney> infinity: Stealing the debhelper/exp merge
[14:10] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: the cve patches are not the nicest
[14:11] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: would this cause you any headache http://paste.ubuntu.com/24726825/ ?
[14:11] <cpaelzer> I mean buildpkg is happy, yet I wanted to ask you at least
[14:13] <mdeslaur> I don't mind if that's how they are in the debian package
[14:13] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: ^
[16:23] <bmw> rbasak: I just wanted to check on the status of certbot packages
[16:23] <bmw> do you know if Peter submitted the documents you need?
[16:24] <rbasak> bmw: o/
[16:24] <rbasak> bmw: not that I know about
[16:24] <bmw> hmm okay
[16:24] <bmw> he'll be somewhat MIA for the next week or two, but I'll get a hold of him and ask him to do it or write it up myself
[16:24] <rbasak> bmw: I've started pushing SRU branches to alioth. So far I've done python-acme for all three stable Ubuntu releases, and the special python-letsencrypt to cover the rename in Xenial.
[16:24] <rbasak> bmw: thanks!
[16:27] <bmw> is the document from Peter a blocker for pushing the SRU packages live or just necessary for updates in the future?
[16:32] <rbasak> Good question.
[16:32] <rbasak> It's not technically a blocker, but it will duplicate work I think - because we'd have to lay out our justifications twice.
[16:33] <bmw> ah that makes sense
[16:34] <bmw> we'll get it written up to avoid duplicating work
[16:34] <bmw> the other thing from my end is finding someone to build the packages in the future
[16:34] <bmw> I've gotten some interest from coworkers, but no commitment yet
[16:35] <bmw> I'll keep badgering people and I'm sure we'll find someone to do it
[16:44] <rbasak> Thanks!
[17:25] <infinity> Laney: Given the changelog, I didn't have a lot of confidence in debhelper/experimental...
[18:08] <nacc> rbasak: hrm, something is wrong with the import of python-acme that you pushed, i think
[18:10] <nacc> rbasak: i think true for src:gosa as well -- it's like you weren't current to launchpad
[18:30] <nacc> rbasak: we should sync up on this, as something is funky. your gosa import is really weird. the tags exist, but the branches weren't moved for later versions
[18:35] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, python-acme is fubar. It would appear you pushed / committed the queue syncs? e.g. https://git.launchpad.net/~racb/ubuntu/+source/python-acme/commit/?id=2de942f7a60d7a04900eedacbf68d8e736fd9b1a
[18:35] <nacc> bah, nm, that's me looking in the wrong repo!
[18:36] <nacc> https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/python-acme/commit/?h=debian/experimental&id=cc8febe8e4f44e9d582fed976cace9c1d26c8358 seems odd, though, there's no tag for that version
[18:37] <nacc> which then breaks the patches-applied import
[19:36] <rbasak> nacc: got to run, but if it helps, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24729486/ is my gosa tag list in my local tree from the importer run.
[21:11] <jdstrand> tyhicks: hey, curious on your thoughts about click-apparmor and apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu in artful
[21:11] <jdstrand> tyhicks: they used to be in main and have been demoted to universe this cycle
[21:12] <jdstrand> tyhicks: the security team is listed as the maintainers. the only thing keeping them is a recommends from click. my preference would be to remove them or somehow get them off our plate
[21:13] <cjwatson> it may make sense to remove click
[21:13] <jdstrand> tyhicks: so removal or move to another owner. motu?
[21:15] <jbicha> why would anyone use click in 18.04?
[21:15] <tyhicks> jdstrand: good question - I'd think that click could go away
[21:15] <jdstrand> jbicha: precisely. I just don't know if someone is going to do a unity8 flavor or something
[21:16] <jbicha> is click needed for unity8?
[21:16] <jdstrand> aiui, there is an open click store and other projects (free phone?) are using it. but I don't know if they're built from the archive
[21:16] <jdstrand> jbicha: not strictly. but that's where the apps are
[21:17] <jdstrand> I mean, I'm fine with removing click and click-apparmor. they aren't used in Ubuntu by anything I know of and there is nothing saying that a flavor couldn't bring them back
[21:17] <jbicha> I believe unity8 stuff is being removed from Ubuntu, but they could be reintroduced if someone steps up to maintain them
[21:18] <tyhicks> that'd be my preference
[21:18] <tyhicks> remove it and then allow anyone else to jump in and restore the package
[21:18] <jdstrand> I just know that if it is in the archive, regardless of universe or main, we'll feel obligated to fix issues, but that isn't the best use of our time
[21:19] <tyhicks> agreed
[21:19] <jdstrand> cjwatson: what are your thoughts on that? ^
[21:20] <cjwatson> I agree
[21:20] <cjwatson> I guess I'd say that it can be removed together with unity8, if and when it is removed
[21:21] <jdstrand> that probably makes the most sense. I'll talk to the desktop team about their plans
[21:23] <jdstrand> tyhicks: in the meantime, I'm going to adjust LP to show the upstream projects are not active and break the link from the ubuntu project to the upstream
[21:23] <tyhicks> jdstrand: good idea
[21:24] <tyhicks> jdstrand: think we should do an upload to update the Maintainer? IMO, that's not needed unless someone else takes over maintenance and/or the package is to remain in the archive for 17.10
[21:25] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I could probably do a quick upload. I'll talk to the desktop team and get more details
[21:27] <tyhicks> thanks
[23:02] <nacc> rbasak: ah interesting -- so i was able to import gosa, but the empty directory fix makes `git ubuntu merge` not work -- let's sync up on it tmrw
[23:15] <nacc> rbasak: also, could you peek at LP: #1693954  -- is /etc/mysql/debian.cnf a generated file normally? I can't tell if it's a configuration issue (apt-file doesn't indicate it's owned by the package)


 heyy
 @AceHW
 @Alon Ganon, oh, it´s beatiful, it runs Doom, I WANT.
 @StepanSkryabin, o/
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3532.mp4
 My friday night.  .__.
 @GNU_LINUX_OS, hm?
 mine:
 @VikingRedwolf, seems good!
 I love the Nordic Noir 😍
 Jacob  Where Are You
 (Sticker, 440x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3533.webp
 Bruv Which Pdf Viewer Is Best For Linux??
 i have a ePDF viewer Soft But It Not showing Images In Pdf
 sorry I don't Have successfully Downloaded Lubuntu
 400 Mb Left To Be Downloaded
 cuz I don't Got An Unlimited Internet Connection
 Mine 1GB/DAY Connection And It's My Brother's
 And You Know What I just Cracked His WIFI
 hehe😎😎😎
 okk Thanks
 Eat Well
 cYa Later
 Heyy I downloaded Lubuntu Alternative
 But now How to Install it
 do you have a usb drive around?
 yeah i got one
 are you on windows right now?
 I booted It but It Needed Network
 can i install without internet
 I believe you can, or is anything stopping you?
 or How Much Data Would be needed
 not sure about that but if you are on a limited bandwidth probably not a good idea to do it
 thats the problem
 I think am Done
 you cant install without internet?
 No
 it doesn't have a option to install
 Only Mirror Settings Or Something like that
 maybe send some screenshots? though I'm not very sure if I could help...
 i don't know how to take screenshot
 while booting setup
 take a photo with your phone, perhaps?
 No Phone
 all i have is this pc
 ok hmm that sure is a problem
 you aren't able to find "Install now"?
 Noo
 also, this is a dev channel, perhaps you wanna move this conversation somewhere else?
 #Lubuntu
 well Then Give Me idea To Setup Mirrors
 bruv
 I'll Catch Up You Later
 But Give Some Information
 Jacob Why Aren't You Responding Me
 Where Have You Been
 Intresting!!
 Hi
[16:32] <wxl[m]> Every supported release gets security patches.
 @wxl[m], How much years or month
 @num13, o/
 @Exam_fever, \o
[16:36] <wxl[m]> Consult the release notes
 Am gonna download lubuntu
[16:38] <wxl[m]> Here's the release notes from Xenial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Support
[16:38] <wxl[m]> An actual released version is going to provide you a much better experience
[16:39] <wxl[m]> Unless your interest is in development (what this channel is about)
 Please remember that this channel is NOT for support and it's for development-type stuff about Lubuntu itself. While a little offtopic once in a while doesn't matter, I think it's gone over the top.
 but we don't develop a sh*t  ·_____·
 @VikingRedwolf, Hey, shush
 *runs*
 WHERE'S MY ABOUT THING!!
 /command !language | @VikingRedwolf
 "vikingredwolf executed" ok
 @VikingRedwolf, I'm working on it
 -____-
 are you creating a DEB and SNAP and PKG and EOPKG and ZIP?
 @VikingRedwolf, We'll see. 😉
 next thing: we need a place to "vote" for the wallpaper, but yuo maybe know the result
 or I might include both this time
 @VikingRedwolf, Do it
 with and ithout chicken
 @VikingRedwolf, WITH Chicken 😉
 *cough* @Schyken 😂
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3534.mp4
 aaaaaand packaging only in Git?
 @VikingRedwolf, Yessiree
 @julienlavergne ?
 wxl: yo, around?
 Guyys How To Fix This Error
 Hey, please read the pinned message
 This channel is not for support
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/LnYUELY.jpg
 Even Though It's Last
 Then From Where I could Get Support
 #lubuntu on IRC or askubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org/tags.php?tag=lubuntu :)
[22:38] <agaida> Aunt Google may help too
 @GNU_LINUX_OS, No problem, feel free to stick around :)
 @agaida, I like Little Cousin DuckDuckGo better
 :P
 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻


[09:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #73](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/73): `make install` puts the wlcs executables in /usr/local/lib/wlcs/ (which seems wrong)
[09:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq added wontfix to [issue #73](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/73): `make install` puts the wlcs executables in /usr/local/lib/wlcs/ (which seems wrong)
[09:20] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #620](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/620): Numlock LED does not change
[09:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2907](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2907): Option to change default Num Lock state
[09:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [issue #2907](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2907): Option to change default Num Lock state
[09:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[09:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > This is the mir-kiosk part of the bug split off from https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/620
[09:22] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #84](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/84): Should test surface enter and leave events
[09:25] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #104](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/104): Tests failing intermittently in Mir PPA builds
[09:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added RAOF review needed to [issue #885](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/885): If multiple server-mesa-x11 platforms are present, all add an "x11-output" option
[09:32] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added AlanGriffiths review needed to [issue #997](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/997): miral support for changing keymap of running applications
[09:37] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2908](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2908): Add idle notify protocol support
[09:37] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** pierreinglebert opened [issue #2908](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2908): Add idle notify protocol support... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ba177c564bc2ea534ede0f4ba4ef1c18c5bd7038>)
[09:45] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #164](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/164): FTBFS on several not so common architectures
[09:45] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq added invalid to [issue #164](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/164): FTBFS on several not so common architectures
[09:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #168](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/168): Should test subsurface visibility
[09:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #1124](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1124): Need some design for EGL context management
[09:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1124](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1124): Need some design for EGL context management
[09:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1871](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1871): Implement foreign-toplevel-management from wayland-protocols
[09:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #1831](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1831): Mir configuration system
[09:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1831](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1831): Mir configuration system
[10:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #1391](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1391): Wayland client abstraction
[10:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1391](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1391): Wayland client abstraction
[10:05] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added AlanGriffiths review needed to [issue #2023](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2023): Set _NET_CLIENT_LIST_STACKING
[10:06] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #202](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/202): ppa-upload.sh does the wrong thing on release/N.N branches
[10:08] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added Good first issue and XWayland to [issue #2060](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2060): Use XResource extension to find client PID where available
[10:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq closed [issue #5](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/5): If two providers are connected to `graphics-core20` it doesn't work
[10:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #212](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/212): Issue with test hanging despite apparent activity on connection
[10:12] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #213](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/213): Build fails with libwayland-git in separate prefix
[10:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #2233](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2233): [Mir-on-Wayland] add support for "windowed mode"
[10:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #2233](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2233): [Mir-on-Wayland] add support for "windowed mode"
[10:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #921](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/921): The MirAL API should support more options for display configuration
[10:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #921](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/921): The MirAL API should support more options for display configuration
[10:16] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame-osk]** Saviq assigned Saviq to [issue #21](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame-osk/issues/21): Log is spammed with "No such file or directory"
[10:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq locked [issue #225](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/225): Missing infrastructure to test "old" versions of protocols
[10:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [issue #225](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/225): Missing infrastructure to test "old" versions of protocols
[10:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame-osk]** Saviq assigned Saviq to [issue #34](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame-osk/issues/34): ubuntu-frame-osk.list-layouts lists "ch+de", but the name is "(null)"
[10:20] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq assigned Saviq to [issue #227](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/227): 1.4.0: LTO exposes new type of warnings
[10:20] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #2389](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2389): UdevWrapperDeathTest.DereferencingEndReturnsInvalidObject gets stuck
[10:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #2581](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2581): Throttle down occluded surfaces
[10:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #2581](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2581): Throttle down occluded surfaces
[13:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #997](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/997): Should miral support for changing keymap of running applications
[13:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths locked [issue #997](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/997): Should miral support for changing keymap of running applications
[13:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #997](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/997): Should miral support for changing keymap of running applications
[14:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned AlanGriffiths to [issue #2588](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2588): Need drag'n'drop support
[14:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned RAOF to [issue #2600](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2600): Improve error reporting when display configuration won't do
[14:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #2612](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2612): No way to set *actual* clone mode
[14:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #2612](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2612): No way to set *actual* clone mode
[14:26] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added Saviq review needed to [issue #2652](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2652): Hardware cursor seen on screen for some seconds despite `--cursor=software`
[14:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq unassigned wmww from [issue #345](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/345): The Z-order of subsurfaces can not currently be changed
[14:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added AlanGriffiths review needed to [issue #318](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/318): Wayland interfaces fail to verify `serial` parameter
[14:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added RAOF review needed to [issue #2658](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2658): Fatal signal handling is wildly unsafe
[14:31] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1368](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1368): Spinner/background not scale aware
[14:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added Good first issue to [issue #1330](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1330): Hardware cursor not scaled for HiDPI
[14:37] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added wmww review required to [issue #1517](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1517): Gnome Terminal/LXTerminal on XWayland get smaller on every workspace change
[14:37] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added Good first issue to [issue #1610](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1610): manpages & help
[14:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1615](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1615): Running `fake-mir-kiosk` doesn't work when run from "Mir Shell" login
[14:39] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #1732](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1732): Clean up Window/Surface/BufferStream abstractions
[14:39] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1732](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1732): Clean up Window/Surface/BufferStream abstractions
[14:42] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added AlanGriffiths review needed to [issue #1810](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1810): "Mir-on-X" fails intermittently when started more than once in the same process
[14:43] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added RAOF review needed to [issue #1877](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1877): Crash when attempting to use DisplayLink driver
[14:45] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added RAOF review needed to [issue #1926](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1926): VT console provider hangs VT on shutdown
[14:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added Saviq review needed to [issue #1801](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1801): glmark2-es-wayland crashes under GLMark2Wayland_fullscreen with bypass on Pi3
[14:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1870](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1870): implement wlr-output-management-unstable-v1.xml
[14:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq removed enhancement from [issue #1870](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1870): implement wlr-output-management-unstable-v1.xml
[14:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #293](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/293): [Wayland] Provide a mechanism to change screen configuration
[14:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq locked [issue #1984](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1984): When laptop lid is closed, Mir continues to use internal display
[14:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #1984](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1984): When laptop lid is closed, Mir continues to use internal display
[14:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2028](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2028): set_window_management_policy() captures arguments by reference
[15:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths added RAOF review needed to [issue #2256](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2256): More focus madness
[15:14] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2309](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2309): Nonblocking Wayland executor
[15:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths added AlanGriffiths review needed to [issue #2365](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2365): Generated docs contain blank namespaces
[15:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2401](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2401): Intermittent in CI: MultiThreadedCompositor.can_schedule_from_display_observer_when_adding_display
[15:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2403](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2403): Intermittent WLCS failure: Failed to create Wayland client socket
[15:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths added wmww review required to [issue #2425](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2425): mir_unit_tests.MultiplexingDispatchableTest unstable
[15:24] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2452](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2452): Using non-`ld` linker results in broken tests