[01:49] <lcb> hi. unetbootin asking for root password is only in my installation or is a known issue?
[02:00] <Noz3001> lcb, it has always asked me for root password
[02:00] <urlin2u> unetbootin always asks for pasword to run
[02:00] <lcb> urlin2u: root pwd...
[02:00] <urlin2u> your password
[02:01] <urlin2u> there is no root password
[02:01] <lcb> nope, tjis one is asking for root password
[02:01] <rww> gksudo unetbootin
[02:01] <Noz3001> password for "root privileges"
[02:02] <lcb> root password. indeed it says that but the triuth is i needed to assign a pass to root
[02:02] <lcb> sudo passwd root
[02:02] <lcb> truth...
[02:03] <lcb> none of sudo worked, btw
[02:03] <lcb> or even sudo -i and $ unetbootin
[02:04] <urlin2u> lcb, can you open unetbootin from menu and use our password
[02:04] <urlin2u> your
[02:04] <lcb> urlin2u: i did it. as i said, didn't accept unless you assign the root pass
[02:05] <escott> lcb, assigning a root password is something that you should really only do if you know how to do it
[02:05] <urlin2u> lcb, something is broken you would never set a root password yours is the one that works. can you run updates in the terminal with your password?
[02:05] <Noz3001> lcb, what about with: $ unetbootin rootcheck="no"
[02:06] <lcb> escott: that's why i decided to tell the issue here...
[02:06] <rww> what about with gksudo unetbootin, like I already said
[02:06] <lcb> urlin2u: all ways of running from terminal didn't work
[02:06] <lcb> rww: i put it initially in the menu and didn't work
[02:07] <urlin2u> lcb, I mean a straight sudo apt-get update  will it run with your password.
[02:07] <lcb> urlin2u: yes. it runs. however unetbootin didn't accept any sudo
[02:08] <urlin2u> lcb, hw did you install unetbootin?
[02:08] <lcb> urlin2u: the software center, apt-get install and synaptic
[02:09] <urlin2u> lcb, 3 installs?
[02:09] <lcb> something is broken, probably
[02:09] <lcb> urlin2u: no, 3 ways of trying to solve the issue
[02:10] <urlin2u> lcb, in the terminal sudo apt-get purge unetbootin && sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[02:10] <lcb> i'll remove the root pass after using it anyway
[02:11] <lcb> urlin2u: i purged it before. look, i decided to tell here what happened not because i don't know how to use the app but because i think there is an issue with it!
[02:11] <urlin2u> lcb, cool. ;)
[02:15] <MichaelDeaton> Hello! I was asking for support with 11.10 in #ubuntu and they told me to come here. So I wanted to ask, is it worth updating to now? Or wait until it's no longer beta?
[02:16] <rww> 1) it's alpha, 2) it'll probably break your Ubuntu installation
[02:16] <MichaelDeaton> I though it was Alpha 3 today?
[02:16] <rww> yes, it's alpha 3. not beta.
[02:16] <MichaelDeaton> Ohh.. why do you think it'll break my installation?
[02:16] <MichaelDeaton> =/
[02:16] <Noz3001> MichaelDeaton, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[02:17] <Noz3001> not long left!
[02:17] <rww> because Ubuntu development releases are horrendously unstable because developers are fine with pushing out crack builds to it because that's the point?
[02:18] <MichaelDeaton> Ohhh. I see now. My bad I was just wondering. =/ I thought it was working fine. I'll stick to 11.04 for now until October 13th I guess. :)) Not that long of a wait.
[05:00] <sagaci> my ctrl tab is working like alt tab
[09:17] <repete> mvo, ping
[09:18] <repete> mvo, why would the kernel be reported by software center as "Other" under "Installed software"? - http://ubuntuone.com/p/19GM
[09:18] <repete> mvo, bug?
[09:21] <mvo> repete: yes and no, so there is a new linux-headers-3.0.0-8 and the old linux-headers-3.0.0-7 is no longer in the archive so s-c does not know that its frm ubuntu actually
[09:22] <repete> mvo, huh... to me that seems odd - and to others that may be scary
[09:22] <repete> (that is if they know what the kernel is...)
[09:23] <mvo> right, I agree that it simply should not be displayed there
[09:25] <Ian_Corne> I've wondered, why aren't 2 versions of the kernel kept? the newest one and the 1 but newest one
[09:25] <Ian_Corne> that wya you can easely downgrade should something go wrong
[09:26] <mvo> Ian_Corne: there is no reason not to do that, so far update-manager will never remove anything (by policy), but we could add a exception for the kernel case
[09:27] <mvo> originally computer-janior was designed for this, but its not really popular
[09:29] <Ian_Corne> yeah computer-janitor just breaks your system...
[11:12] <diverse_izzue> is everyone's oneiric booting? mine isn't...
[11:16] <M0hi> diverse_izzue: could you please explain the issue?
[11:16] <diverse_izzue> M0hi, it starts booting fine, but i get dumped in a black screen before lightDM appears
[11:21] <Stanley00> Does anyone here try install oneiric from alternate cd? I need some helps on building my system. I had installed a command-line system via alternate cd, added unity ppa, installed unity, but unity seems not working. I have no unity pannel at all.
[11:22] <dr-willis> unity ppa?
[11:22] <dr-willis> thats in the default repos
[11:23] <Stanley00> dr-willis: I want to install unity 3d, but in cd only have unity 2d
[11:23] <dr-willis> the cd has 3d by default. i think
[11:23] <M0hi> diverse_izzue: This was an issue already reported. Check whether yours is similar to this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1770359&page=3
[11:24] <Stanley00> In live cd is unity 3d, but in alternate cd it says unity 2d?
[11:25] <dr-willis> !info unity
[11:25] <dr-willis> alt cd installs same desktop as tge desktop cd. as far as i know
[11:26] <dr-willis> there was no need for a ppa to be added.
[11:26] <Stanley00> dr-willis: hmm... thank you. I will try remove ppa, and reinstall. hope it'll help.
[11:27] <dr-willis> you must have the 3d drivers working for unitt3d to work
[11:33] <Ian_Corne> diverse_izzue: apt-get install nvidia-current --reinstall
[11:33] <Ian_Corne> from console
[11:46] <diverse_izzue> Ian_Corne, i'm on an intel system
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> oh
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> weird :)
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> then I've not seen it happen, sorry
[11:49] <lcb> anyone able to install vmware workstation on linux 3.0.0-8-generic?
[11:49] <lcb> vmware workstation 7.1.4
[12:28] <dr_willis> in gnome-shell the silly 'xchat' program does not want to appear in any of the 'applications' searchs i type in.   sort of weird..
[12:28] <dr_willis> alt-f2 xchat --> command not found..   but i can run xchat from a terminal just fine..
[12:56] <bullgard4_> '~$ w' does not produce meaningful output. Is this normal?
[12:58] <rww> bullgard4_: '~$ w' or 'w'?
[12:58] <rww> (the latter is the actual command, the former is the actual command plus prompt text from bash)
[12:59] <bullgard4_> rww: '~' designates that I isuued this command in my home directory -- '$' designates that I issued this command without root privileges.
[13:00] <rww> bullgard4_: okay, so the latter. It does produce meaningful output, it just might not be what you're looking for. Notably, it tends to include terminal emulator instances and your window manager in the output
[13:03] <bullgard4_> rww: Ok.  May be my question was not worded clearly enough: It does not produce any output except for the headline of a table. In other words, this table is empty. This is in contrast to my Lucid computer.
[13:33] <escott> apt wants to upgrade libapt-pkg4.11 and apt-transport-https but apt and apt-utils are being held back. is this a safe combination? or is this potential apt breakage from yesterdays abi change
[13:35] <BluesKaj> hello folks
[13:36] <coz_> BluesKaj,   /amsg ?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> coz_, ?
[13:37] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I noticed that you  "hello folks"  in several channels at the same time ,, I use   /amsg for that
[13:37] <coz_> like   /amsg  hey guys
[13:38] <coz_> BluesKaj,  goes to all the channels at the same time,, although I have had complaints :)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> right coz_, thanks for the tip , first I've heard of it
[13:38] <coz_> BluesKaj,  works well :)
[13:39] <BluesKaj> complaints , I'll bet I can guess who complained too :)
[13:39] <coz_> BluesKaj,  just a few who got out of bed on the wrong side mostly :)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> I call them correction trolls ..waiting to correct you when they think you've made a mistake rather than just addressing the person getting the advice
[13:41] <coz_> BluesKaj,  ok I like that :)
[13:44] <BluesKaj> there's a new one in ubuntu lately ..particularly nasty person with few social skills and high opinion of his linux chops :)
[13:45] <coz_> BluesKaj,  oh that kind of guy :)  I have seen them come and go  in the past 6 years
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> well coz_ it's generally not really accepted in the busier channels
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> regarded as spam :)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> this new alpha is much more stable than previously ...haven't seen any glitches except the leftover icon in the taskbar after an app is closed
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> it's not really workable for me tho
[13:47] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  yeah,, but it occurs ,, I consider myself low end support,, I admire most of the people on these channels and regard them as exceptionally bright,, but this kind of person really  gets to me
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> how long have you updated BluesKaj ?
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> I'm also back to 275 nvidia
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> because the bug is still there
[13:48] <Ian_Corne> ok coz_ :=)
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, well, some the ppl who are guilty of this conduct are also ops :)
[13:48] <coz_> ^^^^^^^^^^
[13:48] <Ian_Corne> ahwell
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> can't all be perfect!
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> and an op is always right, even when he's wrong
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> bad ChanServ!
[13:49] <coz_> BluesKaj,  being ops in  cairo dock and compiz ,, we set the bar early on that that kind of behavior is  out of line
[13:49] <BluesKaj> the 280 driver is ok otherwise ...a smallglitch in the taskbar is easy for me to put up with
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> i still get the bug i closed as invalid earlier...
[13:53] <coz_> so nvidia is sort of ok at this point ..yes?
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> it works but it leaves me with unclosed processes..
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> I'll reopen the bug, but don't really have time to test
[13:54] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  ok,, well it will likely brake again  at some point
[13:54] <BluesKaj> well. my setup seems ok , with nomodeset to over ride the default nouveau driver , coz_
[13:55] <coz_> BluesKaj,  yeah   ,, ok then I guess I can risk it :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> the remaining icon in the taskbar thing , coz_
[13:56] <coz_> ok
[13:56] <Ian_Corne> no1 noticed this yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/822333
[13:56] <BluesKaj> otherwise desktop effects etc work ok ...I'm on kde
[13:57] <BluesKaj> coz_, what desktop are you on? , I've forgotten
[13:58] <coz_> BluesKaj,  at the moment  gnome,,,  but after seeing kde's current  I may switch again
[13:58] <coz_> gnome 2
[14:01] <BluesKaj> coz_, yeah, I was disappointed in unity , and I've never been a gnome fan , so i went back to kde ..it's like my safe desktop , so to speak :)
[14:01] <Ian_Corne> I don't dislike unity atm
[14:01] <coz_> BluesKaj,  for me confortable meant gnome,, but  as I said  kde is beginning to interest me again
[14:05] <BluesKaj> depends ,it's a matter of taste ...when I discovered kde it was "comfortable" due to my extensive windows exposure on the job for many yrs previous
[14:06] <coz_> BluesKaj,  that actually makes sense
[14:48] <jrib> khamer: what environment are you in?  unity?
[14:49] <khamer> jrib, no, xfce/xubuntu
[14:49] <khamer> jrib, I can kill off xfce apps if you think one of those is suspect
[14:50] <jrib> khamer: well I have no clue what would do that, especially in unity, but before we start killing things, can you pastebin a list? « ps -ef | grep $USER »
[14:50] <khamer> jrib, sure
[14:50] <jrib> s/unity/xubuntu in my last
[14:51] <Ian_Corne> om26er: the bug was not fixed afterall :)
[14:51] <khamer> jrib, http://pastebin.com/uZdVLmqh
[14:52] <om26er> Ian_Corne, oh, re-opened?
[14:52] <khamer> I'll shutdown as much as I can and see if I can't correlate anything
[14:53] <jrib> khamer: xfsettingsd and xfce4-settings-helper  would be my first guesses, I'd look into those
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> yes
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> And i'll do your testing soonish
[14:53] <Ian_Corne> I only filed against unity because it looked like the most plausible thing
[14:54] <Ian_Corne> but it's weird that switching back to 275 fixes it
[14:54] <om26er> Ian_Corne, happens without compiz?
[14:54] <Ian_Corne> so it could be compiz, xserver
[14:54] <Ian_Corne> fine, i'll try it now :p
[14:54] <om26er> Ian_Corne, you might want to test if it happens with compiz but without Unity
[14:54] <khamer> jrib, hm, I'll see if I can validate that
[14:55] <Ian_Corne> om26er: i'll try that too
[14:55] <Ian_Corne> think I still have classic+compiz
[14:55] <Ian_Corne> but you know what's weird
[14:55] <Ian_Corne> it even happens to the seperate processes of chrome tabs..
[14:56] <Ian_Corne> I don't think compiz does anything special with closed tabs?
[14:56] <om26er> no it does nothing i believe
[14:57] <jrib> khamer: here's an *old* bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/97175
[14:57] <Ian_Corne> damn that diverse_izzue dude is already gone
[14:57] <Ian_Corne> there seems to be an xserver update for intel
[14:58] <om26er> Ian_Corne, that might break things
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> the xserver update?
[14:58] <om26er> Ian_Corne, someone got a broken system after that update, so i am holding off the update for now
[14:58] <om26er> yes
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> oho
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> well i'll let you knwo how it goes :)
[14:59] <Ian_Corne> I still have to apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current after each kernel update btw
[14:59] <khamer> jrib, interesting
[15:00] <Ian_Corne> first test: seeing if it still happens
[15:00] <Ian_Corne> om26er: my system is not "broken"
[15:01] <om26er> Ian_Corne, i should update too ;)
[15:01] <Ian_Corne> and yes it still happens
[15:01] <Ian_Corne> no tabs this time tho
[15:01] <om26er> Ian_Corne, which nvidia you have?
[15:01] <Ian_Corne> oh it also breaks logout
[15:01] <jrib> khamer: some interesting info here too: http://tech.barwick.de/linux/xfce-and-xmodmap.html
[15:01] <Ian_Corne> 280.13
[15:02] <om26er> Ian_Corne, I could try on my other system atm its using the free driver to run Unity in Oneiric
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> can you run unity 3D with nouveau?
[15:02] <om26er> Ian_Corne, its running out of the box in oneiric for me
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> oh nice
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> what kind of card?
[15:03] <om26er> its 9800gtx+
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> ah
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> mines 425M
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> ok unity 2D
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> om26er: also happens on unity2D
[15:04] <khamer> jrib, using system defaults was not checked on my system, so I checked that
[15:04] <om26er> Ian_Corne, then nvidia is to blame
[15:04] <khamer> jrib, that does look promising
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> or xserver!
[15:04] <khamer> jrib, thanks again
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> I'll change the package
[15:04] <om26er> Ian_Corne, maybe, should add 'nvidia-current' as affects
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> but i guess there's not much that can be done
[15:04] <jrib> khamer: good luck :D
[15:06] <om26er> Ian_Corne, there is also nvida bug tracker somewhere i think
[15:06] <om26er> or it may get fixed before Oneiric final automagically
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> yeah probably
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> oops
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> clicked wrong :p
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> shoudl I mark the unity package invalid?
[15:12] <Ian_Corne> downgrading back to 275
[15:14] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, you're doing what, now?
[15:16] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: I downgraded my nvidia driver to 275
[15:17] <khamer> jrib, it hasn't happened yet, I'm going to claim it has something to do with using the system defaults in the XFCE keyboard settings screen
[15:18] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, tell me why
[15:18] <jrib> khamer: ok
[15:23] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/822333
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: does that provide enough information for you?
[15:27] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, no, but if you think you have a bug in the 280.13 driver, read this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46678
[15:29] <Ian_Corne> aha
[15:43] <dr_willis> Hmm. Never notced the superkey in gnome-shell  does the same action as moving mouse to top left... :)
[15:43] <dr_willis> what did we do befor we had that extra key.. golly gee...
[15:46] <bjsnider> the superkey pre-dates gnome shell by many years
[15:47] <dr_willis> I have a large collection of IBM-Model-M's with no SuperKeys :) i know that.. :P
[15:47] <dr_willis> seems its a 'do-everything' key these days...
[15:47] <dr_willis> Oh for the days of when a 3 button mouse actually had 3 buttons. :)
[15:48] <khamer> a clickable scroll wheel is still a button
[15:48] <dr_willis> its just not the same.. :)
[15:48] <dr_willis> plus some mice make it a pain to actually click that wheel.
[15:48] <khamer> I wish the mit keyboard with hyper/meta/super/shift/alt had stuck around
[15:49] <khamer> I think there was six modifiers on that keyboard, though I forgot the sixth... top?
[15:49] <khamer> oh, control
[15:49] <dr_willis> Hmm.. With the size of pc parts these days.. You can get a whole useable pc into the formfactor of a PC mouse... :)
[15:49] <Ian_Corne> khamer: hyper is just altgr?
[15:49] <Ian_Corne> and super is ctrl?
[15:50] <Pici> Super is typically the 'windows' key
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> I've got 5, and one "menu" button
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> shift, ctrl, windows, alt, altgr
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> and the menu key I never use
[15:50] <khamer> Ian_Corne, I don't think so, I think super and meta got combined, control/alt/shift persisted, I don't know if there's any relation between hyper and altgr
[15:51] <khamer> Ian_Corne, I should see if I can make my (useless) menu key into the AltGr key, then I might use it once in a while
[15:51] <Ian_Corne> well the windows key just got that name, but it's still used to compose shortcuts
[15:51] <Ian_Corne> like windows+d to show desktop
[15:52] <BluesKaj> really? not on kde
[15:52] <khamer> the windows key and the command key are usually both called meta
[15:54] <BluesKaj> hmm, windows and anykey brings upo the runbox here
[15:54] <khamer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard - control, meta, hyper, super, shift, top, front
[15:57] <BluesKaj> strange behaviour, now windows plus anyket does nothing :)
[15:57] <BluesKaj> any key
[15:57] <hifi> uhm, 3.0.0 series <3.0.0-7 didn't boot for me and 3.0.0-8 doesn't boot either
[15:58] <hifi> only 3.0.0-7 boots
[15:58] <jbicha> BluesKaj: keyboard shortcuts aren't working right in Unity at the moment
[15:58] <hifi> it just hangs after grub when the kernel is loading
[15:58] <BluesKaj> jbicha, I'm on kde 4.7
[15:58] <hifi> 3.0.0-6 or something showed me a non-bootable root problem when it tried to boot form null UUID
[15:58] <jbicha> oh, nm then
[15:59] <BluesKaj> jbicha, tried unity for a day or 2 , but it wasn't for me
[16:00] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[16:11] <BluesKaj> hifi, can you get to the recovery kernel or a tty ?
[16:11] <hifi> wut? the particular kernel just won't boot
[16:12] <hifi> just wondering what changed between 3.0.0- 1-6, 7 and 8
[16:12] <BluesKaj> hifi, try holding down the shift key after the bios scrn to bring up the grub menu , then choose the recovery kernel
[16:13] <hifi> what good would that do?
[16:13] <hifi> if I remember correctly it won't load at all
[16:13] <BluesKaj> it'sprobly the grphics driver prob if you're running nvidia
[16:13] <hifi> no, I'm running open source radeon
[16:13] <hifi> the kernel won't boot at all
[16:14] <hifi> it never loads up /bin/init
[16:14] <hifi> /sbin/init
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:14] <hifi> nor I can enable any verbose mod
[16:14] <hifi> mode
[16:14] <hifi> removing "quiet" and keeping "nosplash" still just shows the blinking cursor after grub
[16:15] <BluesKaj> try nomodeset?
[16:15] <hifi> with a working kernel it says "Starting..." after loading up the kernel when init kicks in
[16:15] <hifi> I'll try that just to see if I can get anything out of it
[16:15] <hifi> would be kinda bad if the shipping kernel won't boot
[16:15] <Ian_Corne> hifi: but it doesn't happen anymore on -8?
[16:16] <hifi> it started again with -8
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> ah
[16:16] <hifi> if I remember corrently 1-5 hung
[16:16] <hifi> -6 booted in verbose mode ending up in failing to mount the root fs
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> does a live-cd boot?
[16:16] <hifi> with uuid full of zeroes
[16:16] <hifi> and -7 works just fine for me
[16:16] <hifi> -8 just shows the blinking cursor again
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> a live-cd with the -8 kernel, have you tried it?
[16:17] <hifi> I can't see how a live-cd would make any difference
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> well, if that boots, it's something in your system and not widespread
[16:17] <hifi> right, if it's a mounting problem
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> I think
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> idd
[16:17] <hifi> well, why -7 and old 2.6 series boot?
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> it could be you were just "lucky" with -7
[16:18] <Ian_Corne> I have no idea :)
[16:18] <Ian_Corne> checked your grub file?
[16:18] <hifi> any switched to get -8 to verbose mode again
[16:18] <hifi> switches*
[16:18] <hifi> or it hangs before the kernel starts to print anything
[16:18] <hifi> with -7 I see all messages from the kernel when it boots
[16:20] <hifi> though that is true my system might be a bit creaky as it has been dist-upgraded since lucid
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hifi, so you can't get to grub ?
[16:21] <hifi> god, no, just the 3.0.0 series of kernels have booting problems
[16:23] <hifi> the "recovery" kernel also hangs
[16:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, maybe a clean install might do the trick ...I did a couple after my initial disasters with oneiric alpha
[16:24] <hifi> though I yet see no reason why it would hang there if my system boots fine with other kernels
[16:24] <hifi> knowing how the system works I don't think it's the userland that is broken
[16:25] <hifi> tried nomodeset, noquiet and everything
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> does a live-cd with the -8 kernel boot?
[16:27] <hifi> taken that I don't see the kernel messages at all I don't even get the blinking panic leds on my keyboard when root mounting fails
[16:27] <hifi> does the latest netinst image have -8?
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> I don't know
[16:28] <BluesKaj> i set it up as "quiet splash nomodeset" and it worked for me but that was due to the default nouveau driver mucking up the works by over riding the nvidia current
[16:28] <hifi> -7 keeps booting fine when -6 and -8 won't
[16:28] <hifi> wait what
[16:29] <hifi> it does boot, after a very long delay
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> :d
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> eeri
[16:29] <hifi> that takes like a minute to get the kernel boot messages running
[16:29] <hifi> and then it stars hanging with the RTC and USB
[16:29] <hifi> I wonder...
[16:31] <hifi> uh
[16:31] <hifi> now it booted after the long delay just fine
[17:16] <dupondje> after last upgrade I seem to have extremely slow network speed
[17:16] <dupondje> weird
[17:18] <dr_willis> every time i update/upgrade.. it seems theres an update for 'apt'   :) scary
[17:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> dr_willis, thats a good news :P
[17:40] <Ian_Corne> as long as apt keeps working that is :p
[17:59] <bau-> hi all is there a fast way to install gnome on ubuntu server ?
[17:59] <bau-> via apt
[18:01] <charlie-tca> bau-: I don't about gnome itself, but to install ubuntu desktop on the server, you can use "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[18:01] <dr_willis> apt-get install gnome :) but you prob. want some OTHER package name...
[18:02] <charlie-tca> It will add the complete desktop environment
[18:03] <bau-> ok, i don't know yet, i'd prefer to leave command line
[18:04] <bau-> * to keep
[18:08] <Ian_Corne> you will still have commandline ;-)
[18:12] <dr_willis> Its like that person at the faimly reunions that no one talks about.....
[18:12] <dr_willis> :)
[18:15] <BluesKaj> we have more than one :)
[18:26] <ActionParsnip> Has anyone using bluetooth applet found the icon is missing?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> boas
[18:45] <BUGabundo> I'm so used to Aptitude
[18:46] <dr_willis> sNAKES! :)
[18:46] <BUGabundo> that for a moment I couldn't use apt-get
[18:46] <BUGabundo> lets see if apt is fixed today
[18:46] <BUGabundo> there's an Apitude upgrade
[18:46] <dr_willis> saw an apt update earlier..
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Good Afternoon, BUGabundo
[18:51]  * genii-around does an apt-get dist-upgrade without the -y
[18:52] <BUGabundo> YUPI
[18:52] <BUGabundo> aptitude is back
[18:52] <BUGabundo> glad I didn't have to refer to dpkg to fix this
[18:52] <BUGabundo> genii-around: $ grep apti .bashrc
[18:52] <BUGabundo> alias aptitudeupgrade='sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[18:52] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe I have to run my upgrades today
[18:53] <charlie-tca> I been waiting since yesterday
[18:53] <BluesKaj> alias ud
[18:54] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ?
[18:55] <dr_willis> well time to reboot and see if this thing explodes...
[18:56] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, just my update alias
[18:57] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:57] <BUGabundo> short :p
[18:59] <BluesKaj> it works in conjunction with my sudoers ALL=NOPASSWD: entries
[19:03] <Ian_Corne> be carefull with full upgrade BluesKaj
[19:03] <Ian_Corne> did anyoen do the the update to lightdm yet?
[19:03] <Ian_Corne> it's still being kept back
[19:05] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[19:05] <BUGabundo>   libgphoto2-l10n{a} libnl3{a} python2.6{a} python2.6-minimal{a}
[19:05] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[19:05] <BUGabundo>   apt apt-utils gawk{b} libgphoto2-2 network-manager python-apt wpasupplicant
[19:05] <BUGabundo> this is what I have left to do
[19:05] <BUGabundo> everything else has been done already Ian_Corne
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> do you still have ubuntu-desktop?
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> "update manager closed unexpectedly"
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> darn :p
[19:08] <Ian_Corne> can't deselect nvidia-current in aptitude
[19:09] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-desktop:
[19:09] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1.236
[19:09] <Ian_Corne> lets try then
[19:09] <Ian_Corne> and lightdm version?
[19:10] <BUGabundo> lightdm:
[19:10] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu1
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> lol I still have 0.4.3
[19:11] <BUGabundo> o.O
[19:11] <Ian_Corne> i've been carrying that lightdm package ever since :p
[19:15] <user82> hi. is gnome3 already in the daily build?
[19:16] <Ian_Corne> yes
[19:16] <user82> thanks4info!
[19:17] <user82> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:17] <user82> powerpc only?
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: try apt-fast ;)
[19:17] <BUGabundo> $ apt-fast
[19:17] <BUGabundo> apt-fast: command not found
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> it's from a 3rd party but kicks ass
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> downloads packages from 3 sources at the same time instead of 1
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> you could already select, automatically download in the background, no?
[19:19] <ryan_46> Is this the channel for all 11.10 versions, Unity, kubuntu etc?
[19:19] <dr_willis> wowsers.
[19:19] <dr_willis> yes ryan_46
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> ryan_46: indeed
[19:19] <ryan_46> ty dr_willis
[19:20] <ryan_46>  and ty again :)
[19:20] <charlie-tca> user82: you install ubuntu, then install gnome3 for it
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> gnome3 in natty is not stable
[19:21] <charlie-tca> It is in the repositories, but does not install everything by default
[19:21] <dr_willis> not really had any issues with the gnome-shell here this week as i was playing with it.
[19:21] <user82> i have that on my netbook..i just wanted to see if its already built-in into the alpoha
[19:21] <dr_willis> actually not a lot of crashes of anything this week for me. :)
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: afaict aptitude already downloads 2 or 3
[19:22] <dr_willis> how dull for an alpha. :)
[19:22] <BUGabundo> if they aren't all from the same repo
[19:22] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: yeah, only for those
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: nice :)
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: yeah lubuntu has been flawless except the slowness with inputs from Alpha2, which is now gone
[19:23] <ryan_46> I just installed xbuntu 11.10 alpha 2 (updating now) and do no have permissions to access mount other partitions (not in fstab or mtab) Is this a known problem?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> It was in alpha2
[19:24] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> ryan_46: are you fully updated?
[19:24] <ryan_46> Yes. They did not release a alpha 3
[19:24] <Pici> Yes 'they' did.
[19:25] <charlie-tca> There are dailies, though
[19:25] <ryan_46> Not yet
[19:25] <Pici> oh, sorry, xubuntu. I misread.
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> ryan_46: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Pici: Xubuntu did not release alpha3, but there daily images that can be used
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> alpha 3 = august 4th
[19:25] <Pici> charlie-tca: I know. I saw the conversation about that elsewhere. I missed the part about Xubuntu.
[19:25] <Ian_Corne> omg lightDM 0.9 is alot prettier then 0.4 BUGabundo :p
[19:25] <ryan_46> ActionParssnip thanks
[19:26] <Pici> ActionParsnip: Not for Xubuntu.
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> but now unity is broken :D
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: it uses the same repos so the apps in the xubuntu will be the same
[19:26] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Pici: same difference in packages due to identical repos ;)
[19:26] <Pici> ActionParsnip: But there was no Xubuntu iso for the alpha.
[19:26] <dr_willis> I noticed just now there was 2 'ubuntu' entries in the sessions menu of lightdm.. one worked.. one did not.
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> aha
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> i probably took the broken on
[19:27] <Ian_Corne> well, I hope it's that :p
[19:27] <dr_willis> take the blue pill.
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> Pici: give but if they released one on the same day, it would be the same due to identical package sources, if you see what I mean
[19:27] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:28] <charlie-tca> ActionParsnip: there was no image released on August 4 for Xubuntu
[19:28] <charlie-tca> daily or otherwise
[19:28] <Pici> charlie-tca knows these things. ;)
[19:28] <Ian_Corne> yes dr_willis It was the top one
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: as long as you are updated fully, that's what we need
[19:30] <BluesKaj> are the desktop dialog options different with kde running with gdm than they are with kde on kdm ?
[19:31] <ryan_46> Well I;m getting about 235 MB of updates to Alpha 2 now. Then I will see what I have...
[19:31] <BluesKaj> it seems to be so
[19:31] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  at one time i noticed if you used kdm and ran gnome, or gdm and ran kde, you could get differnt 'logout/poweroff/reboot' options
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> ryan_46: sweet ;)
[19:31] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  not really noticed it lately
[19:32] <ryan_46> ActionParsnip: Will see :)
[19:32] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, for example kde on gdm doesn't give any 'add panel' or 'add widgets' options
[19:33] <charlie-tca> ryan_46: to the best of my knowledge, it should be working after the updates
[19:33] <dr_willis> Hmm.. using GDM to start kde.. should give   you the same options BluesKaj ..   never noticed those not being here.. but ive been using lightdm lately
[19:34] <ryan_46> charlie-tca:  OK
[19:35] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, well it isn't me but I'm just trying help someone who lost his panel and can't get it back
[19:35] <dr_willis> Hmm.. alt-f2 in unity, try to type stuff.. nothing goes in the run command dalog...
[19:38] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, all he gets is, create new.... folder, text, html, link to device, application, URL , no add panel
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: how about if you press SuperL
[19:38] <dr_willis> that dident work.. then started ActionParsnip .. likeit was slow..
[19:39] <dr_willis> now alt-f2is working
[19:39] <dr_willis> somthing must been sleeping. :)
[19:39] <dr_willis> exiting to KDE/KDM.. brb,
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> 21:22:09 < dr_willis> how dull for an alpha. :)
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> :D:D
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> karma's a bitch
[19:43] <dr_willis> Hmm. cant get GDM to even log me into KDE.
[19:44] <dr_willis> enter name/info and it has a 'unlock' button, not a login.. i noticed..
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> why are you still on GDM?
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> it's because your user is still logged into gnome/unity.
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> err
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> that was a question
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> not a fact :p
[19:46] <dr_willis> because the  issue was mentoned that when getting to KDE via GDM there were options missing..
[19:46] <dr_willis> but i cant test that :)
[19:47] <dr_willis> Now lets see
[19:47] <dr_willis> znc is so handy for this stuff.
[19:48] <dr_willis> i got irc going on console, and same in X now. :)  i think someone was asking how to add a new panel in Kubuntu?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, yeah as long as they are running gdm ...adding a panel in kubuntu is straightforward with kdm
[19:52] <dr_willis> well lightdm let me get to kdm and its easy to add a panel.
[19:53] <dr_willis> to KDE i mean.
[19:53] <dr_willis> let me try to get gdm going again.
[19:53] <dr_willis> brb
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:54] <dr_willis> now that was weird... i logged out of KDE.. i saw the Gnome desktop for just a few moments.. then it vanished also...
[19:56] <dr_willis> somehow i seem to have an extra X session on alt-ctrl-f6
[20:00] <dr_willis> gnome seems to either think Im 'logged' in because im at this console. OR theres some sort of hung gnome sessiuon going on.  Ive noticed unity and gnome-shell both having issues just logging out over the last few days.
[20:00] <dr_willis> brb
[20:04] <carl0s-> this is driving me round the bend
[20:05] <carl0s-> windows don't seem to really know where the mouse is pointing half of the time - hyperlinks on webpages aren't clickable until I un-maximize, or reposition the window, or scroll the page.
[20:10] <BluesKaj> bbl
[20:58] <antihero> Should my DVD drive show up on lspci?
[20:59] <antihero> seeing as my HDDs dont
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> antihero: sudo lshw -C disk; sudo lshw -C drive      should show it :)
[21:02] <robin0800> antihero, they are both in the disk utility
[21:03] <antihero> yup, shows up there
[21:03] <antihero> and it's initialised in dmesg as sr0
[21:03] <antihero>  /dev/sr0 I mean
[21:03] <antihero> Quite amazing when you have been scrolling down dmesg for ages and realise you're still in the first second
[21:05] <antihero> Oops
[21:05] <antihero> turns out it actually works fine.
[21:07] <antihero> Hmm, do I need anything special installed to play DVDs? My Buffy DVD wont work in either VLC or SMPlayer
[21:08] <ikonia> antihero: you may want to use ubuntu 11.04 or 10.04 if your trying to use it for stable day to day use
[21:08] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i cant get GDM to log me into KDE at all....
[21:08] <ikonia> antihero: the dvd links on https://help.ubuntu.com will help, but the package availability/stability will differ as this is a development version
[21:09] <robin0800> antihero, you need libdvdcsss2 to decode it
[21:09] <antihero> robin0800: Ah, thanks.
[21:09] <genii-around> !medibuntu
[21:10] <antihero> ikonia: Indeed, but it's a bit late to go back now :|
[21:10] <genii-around> Although I'm not sure they have 11.10 in medibuntu yet :)
[21:10] <ikonia> antihero: maybe worth a clean install - keep a safe 10.04 system
[21:11] <robin0800> antihero, there is one on the vlc site as well
[21:13] <antihero> ikonia: Indeed, quite tempted but moving house soon, cba to do it right now
[21:13] <antihero> so is libdvdcss2 simply not available for +1?
[21:15] <antihero> ok grabbed the one on vlc site
[21:15] <charlie-tca> not normally
[21:15] <antihero> http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/libdvdcss/last/deb/
[21:16] <antihero> eff yea, works in smplayer perfectly now!
[21:17] <antihero> ok buffy time
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> buffy...in 2011   wow
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> She's still hot :)
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> shes had surgery from what I can see
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> I wouldn't
[21:25] <Ian_Corne> I don't know, i only know i found her pretty hot when it was still on tv
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> http://buffyvamps.webs.com/Buffy001.jpg
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> luckely this channel is logged :p
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> That was then, this is now
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> http://www.fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sarahmichellegellar.jpg
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> Shes in a new film this year
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: still in?
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> Yeah, but i'm forever alone
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> so...
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> haha
[21:33] <BUGabundo> evening , again! ;D
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> Hai
[21:34] <BUGabundo> seem I survive yet another reboot
[21:34] <BUGabundo> I think we should have a counter
[21:34] <BUGabundo> and that would show how good/stable a devel cycle would be :P
[21:55] <ryan_46> charlie-tca: I am going to have to give up on this Xbuntu. I have no panel and no permission to do much of anything, not even add a new user.
[23:34] <poolie> unity seems rather broken today?
[23:37] <Noz3001> how so?
[23:37] <poolie> i don't get a panel, just a nautilus desktop
[23:37] <Noz3001> ahh
[23:37] <Noz3001> log out
[23:37] <poolie> so it's a bit hard to start anything else
[23:37] <poolie> unity2d works
[23:38] <Noz3001> see if there are 2 "Ubuntu"'s in the session list
[23:38] <poolie> yes there are
[23:38] <Noz3001> one *should* work
[23:38] <Noz3001> the other will just give you nautilus menu bar
[23:39] <poolie> yes
[23:39] <poolie> that's what i got
[23:39] <poolie> ok
[23:39] <poolie> i might stick with 2d for today
[23:40] <Noz3001> i only had to choose the other Ubuntu from the list and unity worked again
[23:47] <h00k> Noz3001: I had the same thing, I just tested it after you mentioned it
[23:47] <h00k> latest updates, etc, restarted, no unity, only Nautilus
[23:47] <h00k> I switched to a tty, logged in, and ran 'unity --replce'
[23:47] <h00k> I meant 'unity --replace'
[23:48] <h00k> Noz3001: That fires up unity on screen:0, and you should be okay until it's fixed next
[23:48] <Noz3001> yeah, that didnt work for me so i thought it was fully dead
[23:48] <Noz3001> but the duplicate session in lightdm works fine
[23:58] <urlin2u> so any body seeing access to gconf-editor?
[23:59] <Noz3001> how do you mean?
[23:59] <h00k> urlin2u: I can launch it, yes
[23:59] <robin0800> urlin2u, you need to install the gui front end


[07:32] <Burglaptop> robitaille, did you have any thoughts on the Quicktour?
[07:32] <Madpilot> ah, life! hi weasel
[07:32] <Burglaptop> hey
[07:33] <robitaille> Burglaptop:  haven't looked at quicktop is a long while.  Where is the latest version?
[07:33] <robitaille> s/quicktop/quicktour
[08:06] <jsgotangco> hey all
[08:07] <Madpilot> robitaille: quicktour has been added to the svn now (is it right to call it an archive?)
[08:11] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[10:33] <Madpilot> anyone here?
[10:34] <Madpilot> this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kurdish  <-- just arrived in the wiki, it has no real content WRT Ubuntu that I can see...
[10:34] <Madpilot> a Kurdish-language version would be cool, but do we really need a huge block of sociological info and statistics about Kurds & Kurdish?
[12:53] <GranMaestro> Hi everybody
[12:54] <GranMaestro> Anybody seen matthew around?
[07:30] <robitaille> jbailey:  have you seen bug #14703 ?  "ubuntu-quickguide is missing"
[07:41] <jbailey> robitaille: ogra pointed it out to me earlier.
[07:41] <jbailey> But quickguide is gone now, right?
[08:22] <Burglaptop> aren
[08:22] <Burglaptop> t we busy today
[09:21] <Burglaptop>  robitaille, can you confirm something for me?
[09:21] <Burglaptop> robitaille, have you changed anything to do with svg's?
[09:22] <robitaille> Burglaptop:  svg?  changed?   confused...
[09:22] <robitaille> I usually use inkscape to loog at svg's
[09:22] <robitaille> s/loog/look
[09:22] <Burglaptop> robitaille, have you installed inkscape on your laptop?
[09:22] <robitaille> (still don't like that keyboard on that laptop)
[09:23] <Burglaptop> can you confirm that this bug still exists? http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8742
[09:24] <robitaille> one sec
[09:30] <robitaille> Burglaptop:  in Nautilus, if I click on a svg file, it opens firefox. So it seems the bug is still around
[09:30] <Burglaptop> robitaille, ok, reopening
[09:58] <DWoodley> Hello
[09:58] <corey_> salut
[10:00] <DWoodley> How can I start helping out with documentation?
[10:14] <jbailey> DWoodley: What are you most interested in?
[10:20] <DWoodley> Just normal userguide stuff
[10:23] <DWoodley> Just the normal parts of describing Ubuntu and the like


[16:02] <mvo> hi
[16:02] <jhunt> howdi
[16:03] <barry> o/
[16:03] <cjwatson> hi
[16:03] <ev> hi
[16:04] <doko_> hi
[16:05]  * cjwatson wonders if robbiew is around
[16:05] <psurbhi> hi
[16:06] <robbiew> o/
[16:06] <robbiew> sorry...lost track of time
[16:06] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is robbiew.
[16:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:06]  * robbiew enabled 11n speed on his Intel wireless adapter
[16:06] <robbiew> un-blacklisted it
[16:06] <robbiew> ....*pretty* good
[16:07] <robbiew> but sometimes I'm dropped...without any visible indication :/
[16:07] <robbiew> beyond no one responding to me on mumble or irc
[16:07] <robbiew> lol
[16:07] <robbiew> okie dokie
[16:08] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:08] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:08] <mvo> Slightly shorter week, took friday
[16:08] <mvo> Apt-clone: add integration with update-manager, add packaging, bootstrap first if restore dir does not exist, fixes in {save,restore}_state, better tests
[16:08] <mvo> Apt-ordering: bug triage over the dpkg issues (I don't like bug triage), able to reproduce only #571030 and only on karmic->lucid (pre-depends ordering bug with openoffice.org)
[16:08] <mvo> Apt: fix issues in the mirror method: used mirror display, InRelease file ahndl\
[16:08] <mvo> ing, per-host randomization, new upload
[16:08] <mvo> auto-upgrade-tester: got a bigger disk in pommerac! apt-clone restore python-all test-image
[16:08] <mvo> Python-apt: help backport maverick python-apt to lucid (for nxvl, lamont)
[16:08] <mvo> Rnr-server: look over aarons usefulness-by-user review
[16:08] <mvo> Software-center: debug/fix crash with new zeitgeist, fix test in pathbar-work-mvo branch, review/merge arrons review-usefulness branch, upload new version
[16:08] <mvo> unatttended-upgrades: upload new version (FFe #729214)
[16:08] <mvo> (done)
[16:09] <robbiew> wow...I'd hate to see how long that list would be if you DID work Friday
[16:09] <robbiew> lol
[16:09] <robbiew> thnx
[16:09] <mvo> barry:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/584357 <- if you are interessted in the few python releated messages from the post-upgrade test
[16:10] <mvo> lol
[16:10] <robbiew> jhunt?
[16:10] <jhunt> Worked on bug 436936. Helped out a bit on bug 737487: this needs more
[16:10] <jhunt> user input before we consider merging I think since (a) I am unable to
[16:10] <jhunt> recreate the problem (some) users are seeing and (b) we need more
[16:10] <jhunt> testers! Got the Upstart vim syntax highlighting accepted by Bram
[16:10] <jhunt> upstream. Appraisal stuff. Fixed initctl2dot (although no MP yet) which
[16:10] <jhunt> is currently broken as a result of the new "emits" Upstart syntax. Wrote
[16:10] <jhunt> as-yet unpublished blog post on visualisation which will be published
[16:10] <jhunt> when the initctl2dot fix is unleashed. Most of my time has been spent
[16:10] <jhunt> investigating chroot bug 728531 (very convoluted debugging).
[16:10] <jhunt> Making progress, but my feeling is that quite a lot needs to change.
[16:10] <jhunt> Begun work on an Upstart intro/cookbook/best-practises guide with Clint:
[16:10] <barry> mvo: thanks.  have you filed any bugs on those?
[16:10] <jhunt> https://launchpad.net/~upstart-documenters. Output is here:
[16:10] <jhunt> http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/cookbook. We are currently
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/cookbook. We are currently
[16:10] <jhunt> collecting content and at an appropriate juncture, I'll perform fix-up
[16:10] <jhunt> and convert it to docbook to gain maximum benefit. We haven't announced
[16:10] <jhunt> it yet as it is still very "raw" (and incomplete), but... err, I guess I
[16:10] <jhunt> just announced it! :-) Comments, suggestions and abuse welcome.
[16:10] <jhunt> EOT
[16:10] <mvo> barry: some old ones, haven't had the time to look prperly
[16:11] <barry> mvo: k, np
[16:11] <psurbhi> jhunt, cool! :)
[16:11] <jhunt> Oops! commen re 737487 needing more work is wrong - that comment refers to 436936.
[16:11] <psurbhi> jhunt, the cookbook looks very useful, thanks!
[16:12] <robbiew> whoohoo for Upstart documentation!!!
[16:12] <mvo> cookbook \o/
[16:12] <jhunt> please let myself + clint have comments, suggestions!! I'd like some more udev examples if you have any for example :)
[16:14] <robbiew> thnx jhunt
[16:14] <robbiew> barry?
[16:14] <barry> mostly recovering from pycon (catching up on email, administrivia, etc.); writing pep 396; looking at pycentral->dhpy2 transitions; done.
[16:15] <robbiew> heh
[16:15] <robbiew> cjwatson: ?
[16:16] <cjwatson> done: RC bug-fixing: grub Xen detection (692691), live-boot dependency tweak (724452), mklibs multiarch (737055), bootchart multiarch (737487), review/sponsoring of vesafb rearrangement (702090), console-setup in chroot (738159), d-i accessibility (739445), grub2 move-mount handling for Wubi (738345, mostly finished)
[16:16] <cjwatson> todo: more RC bug-fixing, at least: plymouth missing text display (728611); performance self-appraisal
[16:16] <cjwatson> --
[16:16] <mvo> impressive list of fixes
[16:16] <cjwatson> [I say "mostly finished" but it has just mysteriously broken; love playing whack-a-mole :-/]
[16:17] <robbiew> indeed...those are some heavy hitter bugs
[16:18] <robbiew> cjwatson: thnx!
[16:18] <robbiew> ev?
[16:18] <ev> Short week; travel from Pycon on Thursday, and then the usual catch up.  Last day of sprinting at Pycon (expanding test coverage in the standard library and fixing bugs in Python 3).  Fixing bugs in ubiquity and partman-auto, attempting to break upgrade/reinstall functionality to surface any bugs.
[16:18] <ev> Using Mock to greatly expand the test coverage in ubiquity. TODO: merge expanded tests branch, fix layout issues on the partitioning page, keep trying to break ubiquity, and write more tests (done)
[16:18] <robbiew> \o/ for expanded test coverage
[16:18] <robbiew> thnx ev
[16:18] <robbiew> doko?
[16:19] <robbiew> PyCon recovery...bootstrap...multiarch...yada yada :P
[16:19] <ev> heh
[16:20] <robbiew> will come back to him
[16:20] <robbiew> psurbhi?
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) Worked on the samba bug 526464 (traced the output logs and wireshark trace - identified where the bug lies and traced some code, before giving up on this)
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) submitted a merge proposal for a mdadm bug: #728435
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) resumed work on event driven initramfs - added support in upstart to chroot and execvp the real root. Ongoing work - rewriting code as per upstart's standards (https://code.launchpad.net/~csurbhi/upstart/upstart-add-pivot-handling) and jhunt's review
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) also wrote a script that overwrites the /etc/fstab in initramfs depending on the kernel command line argument.
[16:20] <psurbhi> (DONE)
[16:21] <cjwatson> the mdadm merge is just waiting for you to address a few small review comments, BTW - if you can still do that today, I can sponsor that fix in time for beta-1
[16:22] <psurbhi> ok
[16:22] <robbiew> thnx psurbhi
[16:22] <psurbhi> cjwatson, i will do that
[16:22] <psurbhi> thanks
[16:22] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:22] <robbiew> Beta 1 freeze tomorrow
[16:23] <robbiew> luckily we now have a Beta 2...so no worries :P
[16:23] <robbiew> heh
[16:23] <robbiew> I'm going to ratchet up my bug involvement...make sure we work on the important ones...and politely push others to updates where possible
[16:24] <cjwatson> could somebody deal with bug 690873?  I'd hoped to, but I'm not sure I'm going to get to it
[16:24] <cjwatson> it's cleaning up a mess that was created towards the end of last year
[16:24] <cjwatson> fairly ugly conffile handling
[16:25] <mvo> I meant to work on this since a couple of days but something came in between everytime, I can give it a shoot tomorrow
[16:25] <cjwatson> many thanks
[16:25] <doko_> robbiew: just for completness:
[16:25] <doko_> came back from PyCon, more porting work, final (?) toolchain updates (robbiew, read "bux fixes"), gcc-4.6 testing before the upstream release, preparing openjdk updates for beta1
[16:25] <robbiew> doko_: ack
[16:25] <robbiew> mvo: thanks sir!
[16:25] <mvo> (responsible for most of the warning in the auto-upgrader-tester currently)
[16:25] <barry> cjwatson: what's the status of that wubi bug?
[16:25] <cjwatson> barry: which one?
[16:25] <robbiew> heh
[16:26] <barry> ;)  let me find the bug number...
[16:26] <cjwatson> barry: bug 693671 you mean?
[16:26] <barry> yep
[16:26] <cjwatson> dead and gone, I'll close out the wubi task now
[16:26] <robbiew> barry: read cjwatson's blog ;)
[16:26] <barry> awesome
[16:26]  * barry will!
[16:26] <ev> (there's also a lovely blog post by cjwatson on it)
[16:27] <robbiew> is there an echo in here?
[16:27] <robbiew> lol
[16:27] <ev> oh, whoops
[16:27] <ev> whatevs
[16:27] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Oneiric
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric
[16:27] <robbiew> I'm slacking on requirements
[16:28] <robbiew> will put out a call to the Server community today...and create a FoundationsTeam wiki page for us to note features we'd like
[16:28] <robbiew> I think allison is also driving a wider Ubuntu community request for features too
[16:28] <robbiew> that will feed into the various teams
[16:28] <doko_> binNMUs ...
[16:28] <wendar> have a post about ready to go to ubuntu devel
[16:28] <robbiew> be sure to send me names of people you had sign up for sponsorship
[16:29] <robbiew> wendar: cool
[16:29] <cjwatson> doko_: we did a complete spec for that in LP a while back, AFAIK it's purely blocked on resources there :-/
[16:29]  * robbiew had to think for a second of who the hell "wendar" was
[16:29] <robbiew> lol
[16:29] <cjwatson> unless somebody wants to be an LP hacker for a couple of weeks
[16:30] <cjwatson> (oh, speaking of which, we should have data.tar.xz and orig.tar.xz support shortly, once all the bits are rolled out)
[16:31] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB/GoodNews
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB/GoodNews
[16:31] <cjwatson> should've listed that in the lightning round
[16:31] <cjwatson> please look through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs?field.milestone=33574 for anything you can help clear up
[16:32] <mvo> got some really nice fixes for squid-deb-proxy today, contributors/community is just awsome
[16:33] <robbiew> cool
[16:33] <robbiew> multiarch has arrived!!!!
[16:33] <cjwatson> heh, actually using it is tricky due to bug 740072
[16:33] <cjwatson> tends to cause postinsts to fail :-/
[16:34] <jhunt> cjwatson: if you can recreate, could you sanity check my gdm.conf fix on bug 436936?
[16:34] <mvo> *ough* I need to look into this
[16:34] <cjwatson> jhunt: ok, will try ...
[16:34] <cjwatson> (once I clear out laptop state)
[16:34] <robbiew> jhunt: if you are looking for further testers...mdz hits this one :P
[16:35] <jhunt> robbiew: thx! I'll ping him...
[16:36] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:36.
[16:36] <robbiew> thnx all!
[16:36] <barry> thanks!
[16:36] <mvo> thanks!
[16:37] <ev> thanks
[16:37] <jhunt> thx!
[16:37] <jhunt> it's that echo again :)
[16:40] <barry> cjwatson: impressive!
[16:42] <cjwatson> took way too long :-/
[16:42] <cjwatson> not an easy bug
[20:57] <james_w> hi
[20:58] <jelmer> 'evening James
[20:58] <jelmer> How's your week?
[20:58] <barry> hi guys.  hopefully usa@dst hasn't messed us up too much.  starting in 2m
[20:59] <jelmer> barry: Seems about right
[20:59] <jelmer> g'morning poolie
[20:59] <james_w> good thanks jelmer
[20:59]  * slangasek waves
[21:00] <poolie> hi all
[21:00] <CensoredBiscuit> hi all
[21:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is barry.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00] <barry> hi everybody and welcome to this week's udd meeting.  it's been a few weeks, how is everyone?
[21:00] <poolie> good
[21:01] <poolie> it feels like a long time
[21:01] <barry> indeed
[21:01] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[21:01] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110323
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110323
[21:02] <poolie> thanks for chairing, barry
[21:02] <barry> poolie: np!
[21:02] <barry> hi jelmer, james_w.  anybody know if jam is around?
[21:03] <james_w> I don't
[21:03] <barry> shall we jump right in then?
[21:03] <poolie> remember he's in europe now, so this is late at night for him
[21:03] <poolie> like 11pm
[21:03] <poolie> let's go
[21:03] <barry> ah, right
[21:03] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[21:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[21:04] <barry>    * poolie to advertise udd projects to non-staff contributors
[21:04] <barry>
[21:04] <jelmer> barry: jam was around an hour or so ago but mentioned he was heading out
[21:04] <barry> jelmer: thanks
[21:04] <poolie> i think done
[21:05] <poolie> but if other people have good ideas for how to get more help on it i would welcome them
[21:05] <poolie> or, they can just do it :)
[21:05] <barry> poolie: cool.  related: is bzr participating in gsoc this year?
[21:05] <poolie> no
[21:05] <poolie> i don't think it's a good tradeoff on the whole
[21:06] <barry> okay.  if there were interest, it could be done under the psf umbrella
[21:06] <barry>    * poolie to integrate jml's feedback into lep
[21:06] <barry>
[21:07] <poolie> yes, done
[21:07] <barry>    * poolie to meet with robbiew re lep
[21:07] <barry>
[21:08] <poolie> not yet sorry
[21:08] <poolie> carry it over
[21:08] <barry> poolie: will do
[21:08] <barry>    * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports
[21:08] <barry>
[21:09] <barry> i'm guessing that's to be carried over...
[21:09] <poolie> there was some discussion about them probably needing to be imported to looms
[21:09] <poolie> i'm not sure if jam's action is to do more than that
[21:10] <barry> i'll send him an email to get his status
[21:10] <poolie> ok, good
[21:10] <barry>    * poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling
[21:10] <barry>
[21:10] <barry> poolie: remind me what bfbip means? ;)
[21:10] <poolie> build from branch into primary
[21:11] <poolie> and i have not done it yet
[21:11] <barry> poolie: ah yes, of course, thanks
[21:11] <poolie> :(
[21:11] <poolie> but i will soon
[21:11] <barry> cool
[21:11] <barry>    * poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[21:11] <barry>
[21:12] <poolie> !
[21:12] <poolie> thanks for the reminder :)
[21:12] <poolie> jelmer could i hand that off to you?
[21:12] <barry> poolie: np.  i can help with that if you want
[21:13] <poolie> or you, barry?
[21:13] <jelmer> poolie: Yes, sure
[21:13] <barry> jelmer: why don't you and i chat about it tomorrow?
[21:13] <jelmer> barry: sure, sounds good
[21:14] <barry> [ACTION] jelmer and barry to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[21:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jelmer and barry to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[21:14] <barry> that's it for action items
[21:14] <barry> [TOPIC] LEP bfbip
[21:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  LEP bfbip
[21:14] <barry>  * LEP [[https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary]]
[21:14] <barry>
[21:14] <barry> this is a hold over from our last meeting.  is there much more to say about it?
[21:15] <poolie> the main thing with it now is to schedule a lp squad to actually do it
[21:15] <poolie> the bzr team will help but i think (as does francis) it's going to have enough ongoing work it's better done in house by lp
[21:15] <poolie> we're hopeful it will be the next feature scheduled and therefore be live by uds-o
[21:16] <barry> poolie: sounds good.  i guess in that case we don't need to keep i on the udd agenda.  we can just get updates in the normal lp way or celebrate in aob when it lands
[21:16] <poolie> good idea
[21:16] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Package importer progress
[21:16] <barry>
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Package importer progress
[21:17] <poolie> we've fixed some more bugs in the importer
[21:17] <poolie> especially in scheduling
[21:17] <poolie> and the number of failures has dipped .. a bit, but not dramatically
[21:17] <barry> [LINK] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[21:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[21:18] <poolie> we got some bug reports about failures from ubuntu devs, which is a good sign
[21:18] <slangasek> there seem to be new bugs always popping up that affect importing of precisely those branches I've touched before :-)
[21:18] <poolie> and they're pulled into our team queues
[21:18] <poolie> hm
[21:18] <poolie> any particular packages or bugs people would like to nominate for attention?
[21:18] <slangasek> gobject-introspection, for me
[21:19] <james_w> that's the one that's waiting on a new bzr being rolled out to jubany
[21:19] <james_w> #1 failure currently I think
[21:20] <poolie> ah, ok
[21:20] <poolie> [action] poolie to talk to mthaddon about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
[21:20] <barry> james_w: is that: 80 packages failed with key AssertionError:<module>:main:find_unimported_versions:check
[21:20] <poolie> i wonder if we can persuade them to deploy from a branch or something
[21:20] <james_w> no, repository.user_url
[21:20] <poolie> james_w do you have an opinion about that?
[21:20] <james_w> not really
[21:21] <barry> [ACTION] poolie to talk to mthaddon about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
[21:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie to talk to mthaddon about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
[21:21] <poolie> or maybe that's charlie
[21:21] <james_w> so perhaps not #1, but #1 growing currently I think
[21:21]  * slangasek nods
[21:21] <barry> i'll write it up as LOSA
[21:22] <barry> any other feedback on the package importer?
[21:23] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Bugs of interest:
[21:23] <barry>
[21:23] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Bugs of interest:
[21:23] <barry> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[21:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[21:23] <slangasek> I can say that I've been doing a lot of UDD branches over the past month for multiarch, and gobject-introspection was the only out-of-date branch I ran into - great job, guys :)
[21:23] <barry> slangasek: how did you find out it was out of date?
[21:24] <slangasek> barry: I'm in the habit of not trusting the branches at this point and always compare with the archive before I begin work :(
[21:25] <barry> slangasek: yeah.  i see bug 609187 is in the queued column on kanban.  that will help a lot i think
[21:25]  * slangasek nods
[21:25] <poolie> slangasek, thanks for that (both the positives and the specific negative)
[21:25] <poolie> we're all finding the kanban pretty good btw
[21:26] <poolie> it is encouraging some people (though not yet me ;-) to have smaller in progress queues
[21:26] <barry> there are an impressive number of bugs in release and needs release.  that's really awesome
[21:26] <poolie> thanks
[21:27] <poolie> it's been pretty good
[21:27] <poolie> now everybody is back from vacation it should be better :)
[21:27] <poolie> next item?
[21:27] <barry> any other bugs to discuss?
[21:27] <barry> if not...
[21:27] <barry> [TOPIC] aob
[21:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  aob
[21:28] <james_w> none from me
[21:28] <jelmer> I have a question. Now that we've done some FFe's and SRU's I was wondering if there was any guidance on how to do those with UDD?
[21:29] <poolie> oh, we have four rotation candidates; i'm hoping at least one will proceed and start working from our may sprint
[21:29] <jelmer> poolie: W00t. That'd be really nice.
[21:29] <barry> \o/
[21:30] <barry> jelmer: i've done one and iirc it wasn't much of a different workflow, after using a different url to get the code
[21:30] <barry> not much of a data point, but i don't remember any udd-specific issues
[21:31] <jelmer> barry: I guess that means there isn't a particular reason not to use UDD for SRU's at least then; I'll give it a shot next time one comes up.
[21:31] <slangasek> I was surprised to see a UDD merge request the other week for -proposed
[21:31] <jelmer> barry: thanks
[21:31] <slangasek> surprised because it worked, actually :)
[21:31] <barry> slangasek: yay! :)
[21:31] <barry> not strictly udd, but: i want to give a shout out to jam.  python finally switched to mercurial, and there have been a huge number of messages on python-dev about it.  jam's messages always have a very high signal to noise ratio, and i really appreciate his expert involvement
[21:32] <slangasek> barry: how is this supposed to work, in general?  does pushing to a new -proposed branch work yet?
[21:32] <poolie> should be fun for them too
[21:32] <poolie> thanks barry
[21:32] <poolie> barry, prod him to ask you for a 360 review thing
[21:32] <barry> oh, and it makes me *really* appreciate bzr, but more on that in a blog later :)
[21:32] <barry> poolie: i will
[21:33] <barry> slangasek: sadly it was a while ago and i don't remember exactly what i did
[21:34] <slangasek> ok; just wondering if the one that worked worked only because there'd been a previous SRU for that package, so the branch was pre-populated
[21:34] <barry> if/when folks do sru via udd, please do update the wiki with your experience
[21:35] <barry> oh, which reminds me: the udd guide was integrated with the ubuntu packaging guide, so technically the wiki is out of date.  i will take an action item to see if dholbach has published it on the web somewhere and update the wiki documentation to point to the upg as the canonical information
[21:36] <barry> [ACTION] barry to check with dholbach about publishing of upg with udd docs, and update the udd wiki pages
[21:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to check with dholbach about publishing of upg with udd docs, and update the udd wiki pages
[21:36] <barry> there was a little impedance mismatch there, but it was mostly a smooth integration, and we can clean things up as we go
[21:37] <barry> anybody have anything else?
[21:37] <barry> 5
[21:37] <barry> 4
[21:37] <barry> 3
[21:37] <barry> 2
[21:37] <barry> 1
[21:37] <barry> #endmeeting
[21:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:37.
[21:38] <barry> thanks everyone!
[21:38] <james_w> thanks
[21:38] <slangasek> thanks :)
[21:39] <poolie> thanks all