[06:35] <adbak> anir: if the abundance of choices is not pleasing, you can always accept the defaults
[06:36] <Blackwell> anir: to have choice? yes, to have choice is good. however, in the java software development field there is often too much (dubious) choice, and it actually hurts people. what you should consider perhaps it to ignore everything that is not mainstream. that helps to cut away of lot of first level choices.
[06:37] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Actually, I am busy like hell (IT Freelancer), but I know what I want, and how to get it. And I know how to obtain the software I need. Therefore, I do not really invest time, unless I think it is important.
[06:37] <Blackwell> anir: you seem to assume that all the linux distros out there are made for one particular group of users. that is however not so. if you are in a hurry, you don't have time to learn something new. so let a consultant tell you what you need or get what you already know. if you are unhappy with the stuff you already know...linux is in the box of options again.
[06:37] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Important could mean "hazzlefree in respect of malware" for John User
[06:38] <anir> guys i think lindows is a good choice for me.. but i dont want to invest some money to try it..
[06:38] <anir> now comes ELX..
[06:38] <Blackwell> anir: then don't. don't buy the cat in the sack.
[06:38] <Blackwell> (as we say in germany)
[06:39] <Blackwell> anir: besides, who will help you with lindows? lindows is by far, far, far NOT linux mainstream.
[06:39] <DoktorTomoe> anir: See, this is choice - you choose not to. now you have options left. (btw: any other germans in here?=
[06:39] <Blackwell> anir: in other words: you are about to get yourself a freak linux distro. i advise against that.
[06:39] <[Phaedrus] > guys... guys.... let it go... i'm sure the man can make his own choices
[06:39] <anir> blackwell: is lindows is not good???
[06:40] <etorix_> you should never have to pay for a linux ..
[06:40] <Blackwell> anir: do you know anyone who uses it?
[06:40] <Blackwell> etorix: bullshit
[06:40] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Lindows would be the WindowsXP of Linux if SuSE wasn't in existance.
[06:40] <bob2> chill dudes
[06:40] <adbak> anir: if you want a popular distro that does not offer much choice and is user-friendly, try Fedora (http://fedora.redhat.com) or Mandrake
[06:40] <Blackwell> if the distro is good and meets your requirements, it can be easily worth twice the price of an xp server license. :)
[06:40] <DoktorTomoe> etorix_: I really am willing to pay for a linux if it was well configured for my needs.
[06:40] <etorix_> so am i
[06:40] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: right on :)
[06:41] <Blackwell> so was i...when i decided to buy mandrake...
[06:41] <Blackwell> and then i found out they don't have any "pay on delivery" options in germany. :)
[06:41] <DoktorTomoe> etorix_: my time is valuable too, and if I save more on time than on linux, I'll get my money
[06:42] <Hutch192> Hi all. anybody know how to upgrade to Firefox 1.0 ?
[06:42] <anir> but the problem i am getting here is .. i have not been able to play mpeg4  files in UBUNTU..in other one i may not be able to run DVD
[06:42] <Tyche> You would have to use Hoary
[06:42] <etorix_> i repeat .. you should never have to pay for a linux ..
[06:42] <DoktorTomoe> Hutch192: I just downloaded it from firefox and ran the installer as root...
[06:42] <bob2> etorix_: this seems kinda off-topic
[06:42] <anir> hutch192: go to there site
[06:42] <bob2> anir: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:42] <bob2> anir: it's in the FAQ...
[06:42] <anir> bob2: i have done everything given there
[06:43] <Tyche> Anyone use a easy to use powerful CMS that would be good for a personal site?
[06:43] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Where is the problem? I got vlc installes pretty easy. It now plays virtually any file format.
[06:43] <bob2> anir: I can play mpeg-4 files fine
[06:43] <adbak> anir: what do you use to play movies?
[06:43] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: so did i. but i turned to be version 0.9.6
[06:43] <bob2> Tyche: drupal is kinda cool, but php
[06:43] <DoktorTomoe> Hutch: you might want to change the link firefox in /usr/bin
[06:44] <anir> doktortomoe: i have vlc too.. it too does not play anything.. says the pulgin needed to handle the movie is not available
[06:44] <pisuke> bye
[06:44] <adbak> anir: have you tried gxine?
[06:44] <DoktorTomoe> anir: are you sure you installed correctly?
[06:44] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: i did that too.
[06:44] <anir> yes i did
[06:44] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: i mean if there is a .deb package for ff 1.0
[06:44] <Tyche> PHP is good thing, bob2
[06:45] <anir> i tried totem-xine and vlc
[06:45] <bob2> anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[06:45] <bob2> Tyche: in insecure-land, maybe ;-)
[06:45] <DoktorTomoe> Hutch192: Which directory did you install ff 1.0 to? (I am not aware of an ff1.0-deb)
[06:45] <Tyche> bob2, and what is a good secure alternative? asp? =)
[06:45] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: /usr/local/Firefox/
[06:45] <jpvcx> Hutch192: ubuntu-backport should have it.... i think.
[06:45] <DoktorTomoe> Tyche: have you heard of PERL?
[06:45] <bob2> Tyche: perl, python, ruby
[06:45] <adbak> Hutch192: there's Ffx 1.0 in the ubuntu bakcports repo
[06:46] <bob2> erk, I really wouldn't trust the 'backports' repository
[06:46] <bob2> Hutch192: what's the killer feature 1.0 has that you want?
[06:46] <Tyche> DoktorTomoe: Yea, do I know how to use it. No. Is there a CMS that would use any of those?
[06:46] <zenwhen> they work fine on all the machines I have used them on
[06:46] <anir> bob2: how will i get the output? in the terminal?
[06:46] <bob2> anir: yes.
[06:46] <zenwhen> which would be 9 machines all running stock warty
[06:46] <thisfred> Tyche: zope uses python
[06:46] <Hutch192> bob2: RSS.
[06:47] <thisfred> Tyche: and there are a number of CMS'es built on top of Zope
[06:47] <bob2> like plone!
[06:47] <zenwhen> I don;t see the reason to bash projects that are meant to give people access to the applications they want.
[06:47] <bob2> zenwhen: I'm not bashing anything, I'm just a bit concerned about how it started
[06:47] <anir> bob2: can u type the command again plz
[06:47] <bob2> 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[06:48] <thisfred> like Plone indeed, or CPS, or Silva (disclaimer: I work for Infrae, the company that made Silva)
[06:48] <DoktorTomoe> Hm, anyone got an idea how I change a distro on a webserver remotely? (Dont want suse, want debian)
[06:48] <zenwhen> bob2, I was just stating that the backports project hosts some quality debs.
[06:48] <zenwhen> No biggie. :P
[06:48] <bob2> DoktorTomoe: you don't
[06:48] <anir> is there a space between libavcodec2 and | and tail ?? bob2
[06:48] <bob2> anir: doesn't matter
[06:49] <anir> its says command not found bob2
[06:49] <bob2> zenwhen: well, if you say so...
[06:49] <bob2> anir: er, are you sure you didn't make a typo?
[06:49] <DoktorTomoe> bob2: I thought I've seen it before. I didn't care at that point of time, however.
[06:50] <macewan> off hand does anyone know the correct sources.list for debian unstable?
[06:50] <bob2> DoktorTomoe: there's debtakeover, but I really really wouldn't do that on a machine that's actually needed
[06:50] <anir> it says bash: dpkg-l: command not found; bash:tail-nl: command not found bob2
[06:50] <bob2> anir: please read what I wrote again
[06:50] <ACID|net> when using samba, how can u view the share as a different user??
[06:50] <bob2> *carefully*
[06:51] <ACID|net> share on the windows machine
[06:51] <anir> bob2 typo?
[06:51] <bob2> anir: you made at least two typoes
[06:51] <crimsun> macewan: for what repo?
[06:51] <anir> bob2: what is typoes?
[06:51] <bob2> anir: ? just type what I wrote originally, without removing any of the space I had
[06:52] <Blackwell> "typing is smotheing i dno't konw how to do porprley"
[06:52] <Blackwell> "typo" is very related.
[06:52] <anir> bob2: whth the colons?? '  '
[06:52] <macewan> grabbing newer version of alsa - someone recommend unstable
[06:52] <bob2> anir: ? just cut and paste what I said
[06:53] <crimsun> macewan: are you running Warty or Hoary?
[06:53] <macewan> warty
[06:53] <crimsun> macewan: 1.0.6 should be new "enough". Any reason you need Sid/Hoary's 1.0.7?
[06:53] <anir> bob2: bash: dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1?: command not found
[06:53] <crimsun> (fwiw, there are a few alsa-lib problems with 1.0.7)
[06:54] <bob2> anir: I didn't type that
[06:54] <bob2> 03:47:48           bob2 | 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[06:54] <macewan> 1.0.6? I'm seeing 1.0.5
[06:55] <[Phaedrus] > Anybody have any idea how good Audacity is?
[06:55] <crimsun> macewan: are you referring to alsa-driver or alsa-lib?
[06:55] <macewan> driver
[06:55] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : I find it more than adequate for my needs
[06:55] <crimsun> macewan: apt-cache policy alsa-source
[06:55] <crimsun> macewan: sudo apt-get install alsa-source && more /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[06:56] <macewan> 1.0.5a is what I'm seeing
[06:56] <macewan> for the source
[06:56] <crimsun> macewan: for 'alsa-source'?
[06:56] <[Phaedrus] > thanks crimsun
[06:56] <macewan> yup
[06:56] <crimsun> macewan: from the 'universe' repo?
[06:56] <anir> bob2: you plz type exactly what i will type on the terminal screen..please
[06:56] <bob2> I have, 3 times
[06:57] <adbak> anir: are you in the correct directory?
[06:57] <anir> bob2: lol yea.. but i am a kinda dump
[06:57] <bob2> there is no correct directory
[06:57] <macewan> let me double
[06:57] <macewan> yes, from universe
[06:57] <anir> adbak: how will i know which one is my correct directory
[06:58] <bob2> the directory doesn't matter
[06:58] <adbak> bob2 said there isn't one
[06:58] <adbak> i was just throwing out suggestions
[06:58] <anir> :)
[06:58] <anir> bob2: please..
[06:58] <bob2> ?
[06:58] <bob2> I pasted it 3 times
[06:59] <macewan> just a sec. brb
[06:59] <anir> ok i will type... sudo dpkg-l libavcodec2|til-nl?...right?
[06:59] <anir> bob2
[07:00] <krischan> guys, an XMMS-related question: how do I enable XMMS to play back MIDI files? I heard about the 'xmms-midi' plugin, but I can't find it in Ubuntu's repos.
[07:02] <anir> bob2: can u help me?
[07:02] <andy> hi guys... i just installed Ubuntu onto my pismo powerbook and during installation I made my ethernet port the default networking port.  however it didn't seem to install support for my airport card though.  how do i go about installing that as well?
[07:03] <Blackwell> anir: you can have someone remotely look over your shoulder, too, in case this is somehow not working out.
[07:03] <Blackwell> pick someone willing to help and make sure to only allow looking, not actual controlling of your desktop.
[07:03] <bob2> andy: just load the airport module and then use iwconfig
[07:03] <Blackwell> bbl
[07:03] <anir> blackwell: will u help me?
[07:04] <bob2> 03:54:26           bob2 | 03:47:48           bob2 | 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[07:04] <bob2> run that command
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> is there an unofficial ubuntu website that people find to be helpufl?
[07:04] <adbak> krischan: i don't know what plugin is needed for xmms, but tse3play is a midi players
[07:04] <andy> bob2: how do I find the airport module? via terminal?
[07:05] <anir> bob2: when i copy and paste everything.. from 03:54...till -nl'?.. it gives command not found
[07:05] <bob2> andy: modprobe airport, yes
[07:05] <andy> thanks :)
[07:05] <bob2> andy: dude, you're not copying what I wrote
[07:05] <adbak> youre welcome
[07:05] <bob2> er, anir
[07:05] <crimsun> macewan: it is not recommended that you randomly add the Sid binary packages line to /etc/apt/sources.list. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth may ensue. Instead, you may be able to grab the package from Sid's pool manually and install it.
[07:05] <bob2> anir: please just cut and paste it carefully
[07:05] <anir> bob2: whtever i am typing it says command not found..
[07:06] <andy> bob2: huh? not copying it?
[07:06] <adbak> do you need to be superuser?
[07:06] <bob2> andy: not talking to you
[07:06] <bob2> adbak: no
[07:06] <andy> lol, k
[07:06] <adbak> bob2, you have your hands full
[07:06] <adbak> :
[07:06] <adbak> :)
[07:06] <Tyche> Thanks for your feedback.
[07:07] <Tyche> I'm going to download and do some testing on these CMS. Are any of them in warty?
[07:07] <bob2> drupal is
[07:07] <anir> thats why i dont want to use linux
[07:07] <bob2> just stayaway from the *nukes
[07:07] <anir> it makes u frastrated
[07:07] <bob2> anir: well, you're not copying what I said
[07:07] <Tyche> anir it is worth it.
[07:07] <bob2> the command I showed you to use works fine
[07:08] <anir> bob2: i am simply copying it
[07:08] <etorix_> worked here too
[07:08] <Tyche> bob2, agreed I don't like the *nukes.
[07:08] <bob2> anir: well, I'm not sure what's going on then, since it works for me and etorix_, and what you're showing me is not what I typed
[07:08] <andy> bob2: sorry to be a pain, but "modprobe airport" didn't seem to do anything
[07:08] <etorix_> un  libavcodec2    <none>         (no description available)
[07:09] <Tyche> bob2, Still learning debian. Once I install drupal, where do I find docs? Or where did it get installed to?
[07:09] <anir> bob2: do i have to use 'sudo'?
[07:09] <bob2> andy: it just loads the module, then you need to configure it...
[07:09] <bob2> andy: no
[07:09] <bob2> anir: no
[07:09] <crimsun> Tyche: /usr/share/doc/drupal/* ?
[07:10] <bob2> andy: 'iwconfig' is the command you want
[07:10] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[07:10] <CheeseMapping> I'm about to make one of those snap decisions.  should be fun
[07:10] <anir> bob2:i will paste.....03:54:26           bob2 | 03:47:48           bob2 | 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?...then i will press enter..right?
[07:11] <bob2> anir: no, just the bit I put in quotes
[07:11] <Cheese> Does ubuntu have good package management?
[07:11] <bob2> if you don't understand something someone says to you, it's much much much much easier if you just say so
[07:11] <etorix_> apt
[07:11] <crimsun> Cheese: excellent. It's based on Debian.
[07:11] <bob2> Cheese: of course, it's based on Debian
[07:11] <etorix_> i <3 apt
[07:11] <Cheese> great. I'm SO there.
[07:11] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, yea... ubuntuforums
[07:11] <Cheese> time to snag an ISO and a CD
[07:11] <anir> bob2:okay i will paste.... 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'? and  press enter...okay this time??
[07:12] <Cheese> Debian irritated me because the liveCD and actual install didn't support my 160gb hd for no apparent reason.
[07:12] <bob2> debian doesn't have a live cd
[07:12] <Cheese> the install disc is one
[07:12] <CheatersRealm> thx nomasteryoda
[07:12] <bob2> no it's not
[07:12] <etorix_> harddly
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> np
[07:12] <Tyche> crimsun: It is there, thank you. Doesn't say anything about the debian install. Does synaptic just put it on the machine and then you install it like the instructions say? moving and copying, setting up DB, etc.
[07:12] <bob2> anir: without the quotes, yes
[07:12] <Cheese> it boots into linux to install. imo, it's a livecd
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> bob2, noobs
[07:13] <etorix_> no its not
[07:13] <crimsun> Tyche: I presume so; the README*s will be more helpful.
[07:13] <bob2> nomasteryoda: 'noobs'?
[07:13] <Cheese> course, by that definition, that'd make everything a liveCD, so that probobly is wrong
[07:13] <crimsun> Cheese: a live CD is more along the lines of Knoppix or Ubuntu's livecd or MandrakeMove
[07:13] <anir> bob2:  okay i am giving you the out put..
[07:13] <anir> bob2: tail: 1?: invalid number of lines
[07:13] <anir> No packages found matching libavcodec2.
[07:13] <bob2> ok then
[07:14] <Cheese> crimsun, I present to you the following: Gentoo calls their install discs liveCDs
[07:14] <crimsun> Cheese: good thing this isn't Gentoo (the distro), eh? :)
[07:14] <Tyche> cruimsun: Thanks, I will keep searching.
[07:14] <anir> so bob2 what should i do?
[07:15] <bob2> Cheese: gentoo says lots of things that may or may not be sensible ;-)
[07:15] <Cheese> bob2: very true
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> bob2, the Debian "liveCD"
[07:16] <bob2> anir: erm, I think you should read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats again and make sure you followedthe instructions correctly
[07:16] <Cheese> crimsun: compiling everything was a learning experience.  I learned that on a 450mhz box it takes a while, and that the Gentoo_Mirrors aren't always up to date
[07:16] <Cheese> that gets REALLY old REALLY fast
[07:17] <ixane> that's better.
[07:17] <anir> bob2: do i need to install libavcodec2?
[07:17] <ixane> wow. I'm getting a fast torrent too!
[07:18] <ixane> once I installed new network modules in XP it stopped blue-screening after 20 mins
[07:18] <ixane> blah. XP.
[07:18] <anir> guys why did you say that lindows is not linux?
[07:19] <netmole> hi all
[07:19] <bob2> anir: you really followed all the instructions on that page?
[07:19] <anir> yes i did bob2
[07:19] <bob2> well, I'm not sure what to suggest...I followed them and can play mpeg-4 fine
[07:20] <anir> bob2: let me check again..
[07:21] <zenwhen> Doesn;t Lindows run as root?
[07:21] <zenwhen> Doesn't*
[07:21] <bob2> everything, yes
[07:21] <zenwhen> ha
[07:21] <zenwhen> yeah, Id say thats good enough of a reason to say its not quite Linux alone
[07:23] <Pozac> They should have named it Linux 98 instead
[07:23] <anir> under which section i will see bob2
[07:23] <bob2> anir: see what?
[07:23] <anir> for mpeg4 files.. under wiki/restricted formats
[07:24] <bob2> er, didn't you say you'd already read it?
[07:24] <netmole> i will participate as translator for Ubuntu linux in my native language czech
[07:25] <netmole> how i contact responsible preson ?
[07:25] <trukulo> netmole, look for rosetta, if you want
[07:25] <trukulo> you can translate projects there directly
[07:25] <smurfix> netmole: Are there any ubuntu-specific czech Web pages etc.?
[07:25] <anir> i want to try lindows but
[07:25] <anir> lets what this has to offer..
[07:25] <anir> its good if its windows like
[07:26] <netmole> no i didnt see nothing
[07:26] <anir> linspire..
[07:26] <bob2> netmole: the ubuntu-doc list would be a good place to talk to people about that
[07:26] <netmole> i order cd by cd shipping system
[07:27] <netmole> ok
[07:27] <netmole> i go there
[07:28] <anir> bob2: what is the meaning of there is no plugin to handle the movie??
[07:28] <bob2> anir: you need to provide waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more context
[07:28] <bob2> but if you can't play a movie generally, don't expect to be able to play it in a browser
[07:28] <scizzo> anir: you haven't read the information on the site if you don't know that
[07:28] <bob2> I'd suggesting reading the wiki page again and making sure you've understood it all
[07:28] <scizzo> anir: "These formats are patent-encumbered. If you do not require compatibility with MPEG-4 players, consider Ogg Theora."
[07:29] <anir> i have too see in " where to get other legally  questionable package" ..bob2 scizzo
 anir: "These formats are patent-encumbered
[07:29] <fhsioe> oh
[07:30] <bob2> you need to read the section on the page that explains how to install mplayer or gxine or such
[07:30] <scizzo> anir: maybe you should start to learn about patent and stuff also
[07:30] <fhsioe> i hope software patents in europe to stay as now, illegal
[07:30] <fhsioe> ;)
[07:31] <anir> do i need to install libdvdcss2??
[07:31] <fhsioe> because otherways it's a chaos
[07:31] <bob2> if you want to play dvds, yes
[07:31] <bob2> have you really read that page?
[07:31] <bob2> we can't help you unless you tell us what you're doing
[07:31] <anir> no i want to play only vcds..bob2
[07:31] <bob2> a vcd does not contain mpeg-4
[07:32] <anir> bob2: i have installed w32codecs
[07:32] <scizzo> OMG!
[07:32] <anir> i want to play mpg files.. bob2
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 1. add the sources to synaptic
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 2. reload the package information
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 3. Search for the packages mentioned on the wiki
[07:32] <bob2> anir: okease just tell us if you've read the page or not
[07:32] <eim> Anyone is running Warty on a server machine? I'm considering to replace my Woody with Warty on my main server.
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 4. Mark them and install them....and try to play things again
[07:32] <zloy> I want to install JDK. What is the better location for it. And where is it better to update environment?
[07:33] <bob2> eim: yes
[07:33] <eim> bob2: Works fine?
[07:33] <anir> scizzo: its given only for mplayer..nothing for totem
[07:33] <bob2> yes
[07:33] <bob2> anir: the page explains that, too
[07:33] <bob2> totem-xine
[07:34] <anir> i have installed totem-xine bob2
[07:34] <eim> bob2: Fine. I'm deciding between reinstalling the whole system or just upgrading to Warty.
[07:36] <anir> guys let me tell you .. i am trying to play a file with .dat extension
[07:37] <rhodan> hello thar
[07:39] <rhodan> can anybody please help me installing a new theme in ubuntu that i've downloaded from gnome-look ?
[07:39] <trukulo> anir: try in console totem file.dat
[07:39] <anir> i dont know what the heck i am doing... i am totally lost..
[07:40] <anir> trukulo: tell me how
[07:41] <trukulo> open a console
[07:41] <rhodan> anyone?
[07:41] <trukulo> terminal, if you understand it
[07:41] <anir> trukulo: how do i open a console?
[07:41] <anir> yes terminal
[07:42] <trukulo> rhodan: open System -> Desktop preferences -> theme
[07:42] <trukulo> in terminal
[07:42] <trukulo> write totem /path/to/file.dat
[07:42] <trukulo> where /path/to , is where you have .dat
[07:42] <anir> then trukulo
[07:43] <rhodan> trukulo: yes I have been there, but when I select the file i downloaded nothing happens
[07:45] <anir> trukulo nothing is working
[07:45] <martin_> help: i installed bittornado and i downloaded a quake3 torrent and it wont run
[07:46] <trukulo> rhodan, do you see: "install theme" button?
[07:46] <trukulo> anir, what error do you have?
[07:46] <ACID|net> whats the url to get new gnome themes??
[07:46] <trukulo> ACID|net, art.gnome.org is one of them
[07:47] <rhodan> truluko: yes
[07:47] <trukulo> rhodan, use it
[07:47] <anir> trukulo.. now its playing
[07:47] <anir> trukulo: but i have to tell the picture quality is not as good as XP pro
[07:47] <rhodan> trukulo: tried, does not work
[07:47] <trukulo> rhodan, what file do you have? tar.gz or tar.bz2 ?
[07:48] <rhodan> trukulo: tar.gz
[07:48] <trukulo> anir, why it's better?
[07:48] <trukulo> rhodan, look in detailed
[07:48] <trukulo> what's theme for? gtk? metacity? icons?
[07:49] <anir> trukulo: i dont know why.. i am an unbiased commentator
[07:49] <trukulo> anir, in my system i can see it very well
[07:51] <rhodan> trukulo: thank you it now loaded the theme, however the icons do not load, do they have to go anywhere specific ? it's gtk2
[07:51] <trukulo> icons are another download
[07:51] <tritium> Are the python-fixedpoint and python-mpz packages being permanently removed from Hoary?
[07:51] <trukulo> themes are separated in three, gtk, metacity and icons
[07:52] <rhodan> trukulo: ok, but in this archive file there is a directory called icons
[07:52] <trukulo> but i think it's for controls
[07:52] <trukulo> try open nautilus
[07:52] <anir> trukulo:may be i need some plugins
[07:52] <anir> ??
[07:52] <trukulo> and look control icons (open, save...)
[07:53] <trukulo> anir, if it works, it works
[07:53] <trukulo> don't know what your problems are, need more feedback if you want help
[07:53] <anir> trukulo: thank u very much
[07:54] <trukulo> you're wellcome
[07:56] <anir> its a headache that everytime i have to download  from the net
[07:57] <anir> nowif i dont have internet connection... i cant use ubuntu??
[07:57] <anir> that means ububtu is only for the net connected poeples??
[07:57] <woodysanay> hi to all
[07:58] <anir> plz comment guys
[07:58] <xelerated> ubuntu owns!
[07:58] <xelerated> finally a debian distro without the headaches
[07:58] <anir> owns??
[07:59] <anir> xelerated: think you dont have internet connection.. is it worth having Ubuntu??
[07:59] <xelerated> yes its worth it
[07:59] <anir> to an extent linux  sux
[07:59] <Amaranth> ...
[07:59] <anir> xelerated: how??
[07:59] <xelerated> and to a greater extent windows sucks
[08:00] <JStrike> No version of linux is all that great without an internet connection
[08:00] <trukulo> anir, what if you have only a windows cd a unplugged computer?
[08:00] <trukulo> do you think windows is good?
[08:00] <anir> xelerated: how will you get the softwares if you dont have net connected??
[08:00] <xelerated> anir, what do you mean how? you can do word processing, lots of games, all sorts of stuff
[08:00] <JStrike> Windows is by far a better option if you dont have an internet connection
[08:00] <xelerated> you are on line right now.... why not download it now
[08:01] <trukulo> JStrike, how? playing solitaire and writing with wordpad?
[08:01] <anir> xelerated: i can atleast play movie, play games and do all sort of things without downloading any softwares from the net in windows
[08:01] <xelerated> yea and i can play movies and play all sorts of games in linux without getting online
[08:01] <jdub> anir: now you're starting to define the issue :)
[08:02] <jdub> anir: the problem here is that, for various reasons, FOSS is locked out of a lot of multimedia formats and protocols
[08:02] <trukulo> anir, what games? solitaire and pinball? great
[08:02] <anir> but in ububtu i have to download from the net only to configure my system...
[08:02] <JStrike> trukulo : What are you on about? No. If you buy a cd, or someone gives you a program, with dependency resolution, linux is pretty useless
[08:02] <jpvcx> anir: sure, try playing .ogm files in a fresh windows xp install
[08:02] <jdub> anir: so in large part, we cannot use these things easily on linux
[08:03] <trukulo> JStrike, if anyone gives you a program for windows, that depends on directx9b , and you don't have it... what?
[08:03] <jdub> anir: for the more technically minded, there are ways around this, but it involves downloading software because none of it can be shipped with Ubuntu itself for legal reasons
[08:03] <trukulo> it's the same problem
[08:03] <anir> take for example ... i am downloading 200MB from yesterday..
[08:03] <trukulo> i agree with jdub
[08:03] <trukulo> problems you're talking about have patent and copyright problems
[08:03] <rhodan> trukulo: thanks for your help with the theme
[08:03] <JStrike> trukulo : Seems to come with almost anything that needs it
[08:04] <trukulo> in ubuntu you have alternatives, just use them
[08:04] <jdub> anir: are you using warty or hoary?
[08:04] <trukulo> JStrike, i disagree
[08:04] <anir> jdub i am using warty
[08:04] <trukulo> you are talking about windows AND a lot of software installed after installation
[08:04] <jdub> anir: ok, so those are the initial security updates available for warty
[08:04] <trukulo> software, that it's system separatedly distributed
[08:04] <anir> and belive me.. it requires a lot of time to do this..
[08:05] <tritium> JStrike, windows never has the tools I need, internet connection or not.
[08:05] <trukulo> anir, but it's only one time installation, upgrades are clean
[08:05] <anir> but see in windows.. you will get all the required software in the installing cd only
[08:06] <trukulo> jdub, he's talking about marillat repos
[08:06] <jdub> anir: you get all the required software from the CD only with ubuntu too, but you have additional needs
[08:06] <ACID|net> in samba client, i want to change a directory which has spares - how do i do it??? IMPORTANT
[08:06] <JStrike> tritium : I haven't used windows in a long time, but back then, I never came across dependency issues, such as you will have on linux without an internet connection
[08:06] <anir> thats why people hasitates to install linux.. as my rommie said
[08:07] <trukulo> JStrike, if you have repos on cd's with depends, you have no problems
[08:07] <trukulo> same as windows
[08:07] <trukulo> programs in windows come with depends
[08:07] <JStrike> trukulo : Rubish
[08:07] <tritium> JStrike, you were just less aware of the DLL hell under the hood with windows
[08:07] <trukulo> JStrike, think what you want
[08:07] <anir> i dont know.. but other than being a bit stable...i dont find any advantages in linux over windows
[08:08] <trukulo> anir, perhaps, you need to read more about linux then
[08:08] <JStrike> If someone hands you a cd with a modern game, you can be pretty sure it will run on windows. Not the same with linux
[08:08] <jdub> anir: that's ok :)
[08:08] <trukulo> what about free software advantage?
[08:08] <tritium> JStrike, try installing yahoo messenger or something similar without the latest Internet Explorer if you want dependency hell in windows
[08:08] <xelerated> i was just showing a buddy an advantage of my linux box over his windows box, my weather monitor gives me everything his does, but i dont see add's or popups
[08:08] <JStrike> And that is not even bringing in the problem with different distros using different versions of libraries
[08:08] <trukulo> JStrike, it's a problem of support in game companys
[08:08] <anir> hope we will get something better linux in the near future which will solve the problems... but till then..
[08:08] <zenwhen> You wont find the advantages if you are only using oyur computer for email web browsing and games, and dont care about security or automation.
[08:09] <JStrike> I dont have windows, but I am talking about 6-7 years ago when I did
[08:09] <|QuaD-> why is this a linx vs windows discussion? we are all in here because we experienced the fact that linux is better then windows... lets move on
[08:09] <trukulo> JStrike, then go back windows if you want, i'm really happy with linux
[08:09] <anir> now Window is coming with LongHorn... its great..
[08:09] <zenwhen> If you donlt see why Linux is a superior platform, you haven;t looked hard enough.
[08:09] <ACID|net> hmmm, " " :D
[08:09] <trukulo> anir, why is it great?
[08:09] <xelerated> yea, if i didnt care one bit about security, id use windows. But i do care about security, and wont touch windows other than to play an occasional game
[08:09] <tritium> anir, what compilers and libraries does Longhorn come with?
[08:09] <jdub> dudes, let's leave the windows vs. linux argument please
[08:10] <zenwhen> anir, longhorn will be great for people who will also never understand why it is a inferior platform.
[08:10] <trukulo> jdub, ok
[08:10] <anir> i have just tried transformation package in XP pro... looks great.. feels great.. and most of all  easy to handle.. and i found it very very stable
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[08:10] <JStrike> trukulo : Why should I go back to windows. I was merely stating that you cant tell someone new to linux that it doesn't have those issues
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[08:10] <anir> now the ball is in your court LINUX..
[08:10] <xelerated> actually i think longhorn might be halfway decent, since they are taking a more serious approch to security, but im sture they will still botch it some
[08:10] <jdub> anir: enoug thanks.
[08:10] <jdub> xelerated: enough please.
[08:10] <zenwhen> The solution to problems with linux for newbies is for them to use it long enough not to be newbies.
[08:11] <zenwhen> I dont want linux dumbed down to the point where control is taken away.
[08:11] <ACID|net> linux will only really work when OEMs start installing it
[08:11] <ACID|net> or at least offering it
[08:11] <anir> what happened guys.. say something
[08:11] <ACID|net> which will only work when microsoft become less anti-competitive
[08:11] <jdub> zenwhen: 'control' and what you're calling 'dumbed down' aren't related.
[08:11] <|QuaD-> xelerated: no version of windows will be halfway decent until it is a Windows linux distribution
[08:12] <jdub> ACID|net, |QuaD-: enough please.
[08:12] <ACID|net> ????
[08:12] <jpvcx> anir: jdub anir: enoug thanks. <- thats why
[08:12] <|QuaD-> jdub: i was trying to stop the convo
[08:12] <Simira> hm... when I plug my usb cam, where will it normally mount?
[08:12] <zenwhen> jdub, new users will complain about Linux until it is windows.
[08:12] <jdub> |QuaD-: a comment like that is not a conversation stopper.
[08:12] <|QuaD-> jdub: read above
[08:12] <tritium> Simira, look under /media
[08:13] <Simira> tritium: nope, only cdroms
[08:13] <jdub> |QuaD-: i did, thus my comment.
[08:13] <|QuaD-> read my comment before that
[08:13] <tritium> Simira, hmm, not for me...usbstick, zip, etc under media
[08:13] <anon26> hey all
[08:13] <jdub> Simira: camera? it won't mount, it's not a storage device.
[08:13] <Simira> tritium: my usb-stick mounts there
[08:13] <jdub> |QuaD-: i reacted to your last comment.
[08:13] <anon26> anyone know how to get java working in hoary?
[08:13] <Simira> jdub: it stores my pics :p
[08:13] <anir> guys its nothing about inferrior platform.. tell me why till date more people use windows??
[08:13] <Simira> jdub: how do I mount it then?
[08:14] <jdub> Simira: ah, not a webcam ;) it may not have mounted
[08:14] <tritium> Simira, not all cameras are usb-storage
[08:14] <trukulo> anir, please, stop
[08:14] <zenwhen> anir, I am pretty sure youare trolling.
[08:14] <jdub> anir: there is no need to continue this discussion.
[08:14] <Simira> jdub: no, my digital one, got a replacement for the stolen one today
[08:14] <Simira> tritium: this should be
[08:14] <zenwhen> So just stop, or leave. This isnt #defendlinux.
[08:14] <anir> i am not against linux.. i want to use it and i want it to be better..
[08:14] <anir> now why dont you listen
[08:14] <anon26> anyone know how to get java working in hoary?
[08:14] <jdub> anir: we're listening, just keep it on-topic please.
[08:14] <trukulo> anir: try another channel, please, this is for ubuntu support for users
[08:15] <Simira> anon26: installed the java packages?
[08:15] <trukulo> or open me a query if you want
[08:15] <|QuaD-> anon26: www.ubuntuguide.com
[08:15] <anir> sorry guys...
[08:15] <anon26> well there are so many i don't know which ones to go with
[08:15] <trukulo> anon26, look for java in wiki
[08:15] <jdub> Simira: is gnome-volume-manager running?
[08:15] <anir> i loved ubuntu.. and did not want to leave it.. thats why i hope that it gives me more..
[08:15] <|QuaD-> anon26: if you are using hoary, you should be able to make an educated decision on which you like the best
[08:15] <trukulo> there's a howto
[08:15] <Simira> anon26: searcj for java, and read the description. It's fairly easy
[08:15] <Simira> jdub: yes
[08:15] <|QuaD-> anir: what did you leave it for?
[08:16] <Tyche> Anyone here install and running Drupal?
[08:16] <ACID|net> whats the best way to do a complete system backup in ubuntu??  Is it ghost?
[08:16] <trukulo> Tyche, me
[08:16] <anir> coz i cant run my windows progs here..
[08:16] <tritium> anir, did you install wine?
[08:16] <|QuaD-> anir: want me to help you figure out alternative linux progs?
[08:16] <zenwhen> Anir, more people use Linux because Microsoft is a corrupt monopoly that pushes any and all competitors out of the limelight. Dell doesnt sell desktops wiht Linux because Microsoft would raise their price to Dell. It has nothing to do with quality.  Ubuntu aims to change that. There will alays be adjustment when switching platforms. You just have to
[08:16] <zenwhen> get used to the diffrences and read some guides.
[08:17] <trukulo> anir, of course you can't, the same you can't run mac or linux programs on windows
[08:17] <jdub> zenwhen: dude, seriously, enough.
[08:17] <zenwhen> I meant more people use Windows.
[08:17] <trukulo> sorry jdub
[08:17] <zenwhen> Oh ok
[08:17] <Tyche> trukulo: I just installed it from warty. Now, do I need to follow the readme? Or did it do the database and copying stuff?
[08:17] <trukulo> anir, open me a query if you want
[08:17] <zenwhen> I was simply trying to enlighten him.
[08:17] <jdub> zenwhen: after you'd been asked to stop.
[08:17] <trukulo> Tyche, particullary, i prefer to install drupal from tar.gz, not package
[08:17] <tritium> anir, I can help you install wine.  It can run many, but not all, windows applications.
[08:17] <zenwhen> Oh, I hadnt seena nything directed towards me. Sorry.
[08:17] <trukulo> it's newer version and more... control?
[08:18] <anon26> thanks guys
[08:18] <jdub> zenwhen: it was directed to the channel.
[08:18] <zenwhen> oh ok
[08:18] <|QuaD-> tritium: or we can help him find equivalent OSS linux packages
[08:18] <anir> tritium i have installed WINE
[08:18] <anir> quad: plz
[08:18] <zenwhen> jdub, is the channel support only?
[08:18] <tritium> anir, okay, just makeing sure
[08:18] <|QuaD-> anir: what programs do you need?
[08:18] <tritium> making sure
[08:18] <anir> i am missing my windows games that i used to play quad
[08:19] <jdub> zenwhen: no, but off-topic discussion is unnecessary here.
[08:19] <|QuaD-> anir: thats the only thing we really can't help you with, unless you like ut2k4 or doom3 :)
[08:19] <trukulo> jeff, perhaps you can post a channel for off-topic discussions on topic
[08:19] <anir> jdub: i beg an apology
[08:19] <trukulo> it's an idea
[08:19] <Quenyar> anyone got experience configuring ubuntu as an Internet Gateway for a bunch of Windows machines (DSL)?
[08:19] <Tyche> trukulo: So actually go out and download the drupal and go at it as if it wasn't installed in warty.
[08:19] <zenwhen> Every time anyone trues to talk about anything other than support, they are threatened. I thought discussion of Linux was on topic. I'll just stop talking unless I can help someone I suppose.
[08:19] <zenwhen> tries*
[08:19] <anir> quad: hmm..
[08:19] <trukulo> Tyche, yes, that's what i do
[08:19] <jdub> trukulo: there is the entire rest of the internet available for non-ubuntu discussion...
[08:20] <trukulo> sure jdub, but it would help things like this
[08:20] <Tyche> trukulo: Okay, thank you. Can I check out your site?
[08:20] <trukulo> i said it was only an idea
[08:20] <trukulo> Tyche, badopi.org
[08:20] <anir> trukulo thank you
[08:21] <anir> see let us come together to make ubuntu better..
[08:21] <anir> better than anyother
[08:21] <jdub> anir: so there are programs around that will help you run windows software on linux (generally not games), but these are for special cases. in general, there's no point switching to linux while continuing to use windows software.
[08:21] <Quenyar> for example, if you're installing ubuntu and it detects two NICs, does it further probe and find the DSL connection?
[08:22] <Tyche> trukulo: hehe, cannot read it, but looks good. That is what I was looking for. Thank you.
[08:22] <trukulo> anir, i know it's difficult to understand, but if you wanna help, that's not the way
[08:22] <trukulo> you can send suggests to bugzilla ubuntu
[08:22] <trukulo> Tyche, it's spanish :)
[08:22] <DaNewB> warty.iso --> 100% download complete! :)
[08:22] <tritium> anir, there are different opinions of what would be better.  I don't play video games, so the ability to play windows games wouldn't make ubuntu better for me...
[08:23] <anir> tritium: but for the rest 50% people it will be.. why only think about yourself
[08:23] <trukulo> anir, we can't do more than we do
[08:23] <tritium> anir, I'm not.  I'm thinking about those that don't care about games.
[08:23] <trukulo> if companys make games for linux, then superb
[08:23] <jdub> anir: people work on what's important to them.
[08:24] <Tyche> How do I get into MySQL if I have never used the base install from warty? Do I need to change the password for root, since the root password isn't working?
[08:24] <Quenyar> tritium, however, sometimes being able to review a document in actual MS-Word is required - Open Office is great, but MSW paginates things differently, for example
[08:24] <woodysanay> ok guys, I will see you all tomorrow
[08:24] <tritium> Quenyar, ???
[08:24] <jdub> Tyche: the root account is disabled, use sudo.
[08:24] <woodysanay> bye
[08:24] <woodysanay> take care
[08:24] <anir> tritium: suppose u work in php and i work with java.. so it will be better if it supports both..isnt it
[08:24] <trukulo> Quenyar, paginates on word dependes on printer
[08:24] <Tyche> jdub how do I sudo mysql? sudo mysql -u <myusername> -p?
[08:24] <Quenyar> tritium - a reason to run wine to run a typical windows app not related to games
[08:25] <trukulo> anir, normally, people who develop in linux don't mind about commercial games
[08:25] <tritium> Quenyar, okay...
[08:25] <|QuaD-> anir: games that you would want to play are usuall closed source, so it is more up to the developers
[08:25] <trukulo> they develop what they need/like
[08:25] <Tyche> jdub: I get and ERROR 2202: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
[08:25] <Tyche> jdub: That is when I enter in my password.
[08:25] <trukulo> Tyche, do you have mysql-server installed?
[08:26] <Quenyar> anyone on who has experience in configuring multiple NICs, iptables, routing, etc?
[08:26] <Tyche> trukulo: checking...
[08:26] <trukulo> jdub, i'll help tyche, stay working
[08:26] <trukulo> Tyche, open me a query if you want
[08:26] <tritium> anir, I'm more of a minimalist.  I'd prefer the intersection, rather than the union, of users' needs.
[08:27] <tritium> Then let users customize beyond that.
[08:27] <Tyche> trukulo: No, I don't. Installing mysql-server now. Sorry to have bother you jdub. Didn't know you were working on another thing.
[08:27] <trukulo> Tyche, don't worry, if you need help, i'm here
[08:28] <Tyche> trukulo: Okay, now I am getting access denied when logging in with my username.
[08:28] <trukulo> Tyche, ok, what command do you use exactly? post here
[08:28] <|QuaD-> Tyche: did you add the user name to the server?
[08:28] <|QuaD-> create a database?
[08:28] <|QuaD-> etc?
[08:28] <anir> rather than searching for YOUR linux.. if one linux can satisfy both of us.. then only we can say its ubuntu..i am not talking about game only.. that was only an example..if linux continues this devident procedure..i mean different distro for different user.. it can never beat windows.. coz see in a company..some 10000 people uses a computer.. so will you make 10000 linux.. because of the fact that 10000 different individual have different need and they like
[08:28] <anir> to work on different polatforms
[08:29] <Tyche> trukulo: I have done nothing, besides install mysql-server and then try to get in using: sudo mysql -u <myusername> -p
[08:29] <trukulo> tyche: in <username> , use root
[08:29] <|QuaD-> anir: as much as linux distros deviate, many factors stay the same for compatibility reasons
[08:29] <trukulo> root is default user for mysqld
[08:29] <trukulo> and there's no password
[08:29] <trukulo> so don't use -p
[08:30] <Tyche> trukulo: Nice work!
[08:30] <anir> think about it guys.. coz i am a corporate guy and handle 10000 IT pro.. i am still using windows..
[08:30] <trukulo> Tyche, add a password in mysql
[08:31] <anir> thats a 0 more its 1000
[08:31] <trukulo> sudo mysqladmin -u root password
[08:31] <|QuaD-> anir: your point?
[08:31] <trukulo> anir, you think ppl here don't know about corporate enviroments?
[08:32] <anir> quad: my point is that we have to give extensive training to any freshers that joins in linux..
[08:32] <anir> no trukulo my point was not to hurt anyone
[08:32] <[Phaedrus] > and these are the people whom you call IT Pros?
[08:32] <trukulo> anir, please, stay on topic :)
[08:33] <occy> installing ubuntu on my Mom's Inspiron 8200 (Dell)
[08:33] <occy> heh
[08:33] <|QuaD-> anir: people like what they are used to, whats your point. The university i work at (4th largest private institution in the USA) supports linux
[08:33] <trukulo> ppl please, stop arguing about this
[08:33] <etorix> does she know?
[08:33] <occy> turns out it had a bad hard drive
[08:33] <trukulo> use #ubuntu-argue or something similar
[08:33] <|QuaD-> anir... go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:33] <trukulo> or better: #ubuntu-flame
[08:33] <occy> whoa, arguing?  I missed a flame war?
[08:33] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[08:33] <Tyche> trukulo: I'
[08:33] <occy> darn.  knew I should have lurked here.
[08:33] <|QuaD-> occy: someone trying to tell us how windows is superior
[08:34] <tritium> anir, You overlook the fact that a standard windows installation does not include many of the tools that come standard in any linux distro.
[08:34] <trukulo> ppl, please: #ubuntu-flame
[08:34] <[Phaedrus] > Does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Motorola SM56 PCI modems?
[08:34] <Tyche> trukulo: Sorry, meant to say. I'm going to go download drupal now and install. See if I can get it working per the installation readme.
[08:34] <trukulo> Tyche, ok, tyche
[08:34] <anir> and the fact is that total cost of linux is more than that of windows
[08:34] <|QuaD-> anir: go to ubuntu-offtopic for this
[08:34] <anir> sorry quad
[08:35] <bob2> that's enough, guys
[08:35] <occy> go get em' bob2
[08:35] <anir> i am leaving.. seems like i become a pain in ass.. sorry all
[08:35] <tritium> anir, I'd be careful callilng that a "fact"
[08:35] <|QuaD-> haha... i guess you aren't coming to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <[Phaedrus] > Does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Motorola SM56 PCI modems?
[08:35] <tritium> calling
[08:35] <trukulo> anir, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <bob2> [Phaedrus] : try asking on the user list
[08:36] <FuMaNcHu> Hi
[08:36] <occy> bob2, still didn't get it installed on this lappie.  that odd reason I metioned.  but it's installling now on an 8200 inspiron
[08:36] <occy> seems to be going well so far.
[08:36] <[Phaedrus] > will do bob
[08:36] <occy> are there still daily builds of ubuntu?
[08:36] <occy> or was that a pre 1.0 release thing
[08:36] <|QuaD-> occy: isn't that hoary?
[08:36] <bob2> there are daily hoary cds, aiui
[08:37] <FuMaNcHu> Can i ask something ?
[08:37] <occy> |QuaD-: ahhh it is?
[08:37] <trukulo> FuMaNcHu, try
[08:37] <|QuaD-> occy: i believe... hoary is the most uptodate version
[08:37] <occy> ahh ok.
[08:37] <trukulo> hoary is development version, unstable
[08:37] <occy> bbs
[08:37] <|QuaD-> yes, and bleeding edge
[08:38] <FuMaNcHu> Ok, i have mouse problem, it works just fine on the live cd, but it doesnt work at all on the installed ubuntu
[08:38] <etorix> im on a hoary
[08:38] <|QuaD-> etorix: :)
[08:38] <etorix> fresh today
[08:38] <FuMaNcHu> How can i fix that
[08:38] <trukulo> FuMaNcHu, in X ?
[08:38] <FuMaNcHu> Yep
[08:40] <etorix> eek .. Need to get 161MB/163MB of archives.
[08:40] <trukulo> FuMaNcHu, laptop?
[08:41] <xeph> \quit
[08:41] <FuMaNcHu> Desktop
[08:41] <atlas95> hello
[08:41] <|QuaD-> hi
[08:42] <atlas95> someone can help me?
[08:42] <|QuaD-> atlas95: instead of asking that, state your question
[08:42] <atlas95> i've error message when I launch program for resolution, I'm french I donr't know the name in english
[08:43] <trukulo> fumachu: look in .xsession-errors at your home
[08:43] <occy> atlas95: mon francais et horrible
[08:43] <FuMaNcHu> Anyone had the same problem with that?
[08:43] <occy> more franglais than anything
[08:43] <atlas95> "the X server don't support the extesion XRandR"
[08:43] <|QuaD-> atlas95: i don't understand
[08:44] <atlas95> (it's my translation of my error in french)
[08:44] <atlas95> erf
[08:45] <atlas95> i have this message when I launch : gnome-display-propertie
[08:45] <FuMaNcHu> Ill check it out and get back
[08:45] <FuMaNcHu> Thanks trukulo
[08:45] <trukulo> you're wellcome fumanchu
[08:45] <FuMaNcHu> Where r u from?
[08:45] <trukulo> spain
[08:45] <atlas95> this bot is crazy
[08:47] <atlas95> He! I found the error in english :
[08:47] <atlas95> "he XServer does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution"
[08:47] <atlas95> "changes to the display size are not available."
[08:47] <atlas95> you can help me now?
[08:47] <trukulo> you can't change resolution in X
[08:47] <atlas95> and why :s ?
[08:48] <trukulo> your graphic card seems not to support it
[08:48] <trukulo> don't know, need more feedback
[08:48] <atlas95> it's a radeon 9600 pro
[08:48] <atlas95> it support
[08:48] <atlas95> before this work but since yesterday :s ?
[08:48] <trukulo> do you use warty or hoary?
[08:48] <atlas95> i don't know why...
[08:48] <atlas95> wary
[08:48] <atlas95> warty*
[08:49] <atlas95> if I try hoary this can work?
[08:49] <trukulo> don't try hoary
[08:49] <trukulo> it's problematic for newbie ppl
[08:49] <occy> installing grub...
[08:49] <|QuaD-> hoary breaks every so often
[08:49] <trukulo> do you changed anything? installed new programs? help me to help you
[08:49] <atlas95> I have installed firefox 1.0
[08:50] <atlas95> whit "depot" backport
[08:50] <|QuaD-> anyone here use bittornado?
[08:50] <atlas95> and other programs, for example I have try to install nforce driver but they don't work
[08:50] <trukulo> atlas95, that's the problem then
[08:50] <trukulo> things you've installed
[08:51] <atlas95> i have installed ati driver too but it is a big che**
[08:51] <trukulo> try to quit that backport
[08:51] <atlas95> how?
[08:51] <trukulo> and make : aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade, you know
[08:51] <trukulo> you have installed things that can break it
[08:51] <trukulo> perhaps your drivers are bad for ubuntu
[08:52] <occy> cool beans.  Got base installed.
[08:53] <occy> grabbing updates now
[08:53] <atlas95> backport is disable
[08:53] <atlas95> i have juste install last gaim and firefox whit it
[08:53] <atlas95> and they work....
[08:53] <atlas95> :o(
[08:53] <trukulo> and the drivers
[08:53] <occy> man... this stinks when I can get my Mom's laptop to work with Ubuntu but not mine.
[08:53] <occy> heh
[08:53] <billytwowilly> anyone have any idea why my loki games don't have sound under ubuntu?
[08:54] <occy> billytwowilly: do other things have sound?
[08:54] <atlas95> my other problem is ; I have once time "save my session" when I have quit my computer and now whenever I reboot my program save start :s but I don't want :(
[08:54] <billytwowilly> occy, yah, all other stuff has sound.
[08:54] <billytwowilly> I think it may have to do with esd in gnome?
[08:55] <tritium> billytwowilly, maybe you need to disable the sound server before running the games?
[08:55] <occy> billytwowilly: hmmm, perhaps, but have you checked aumix  or a mixer to make sure all levels are up and set right?
[08:55] <billytwowilly> tritium, how would I do that?
[08:55] <billytwowilly> occy, When I run mplayer I have to pass it -ao esd
[08:55] <occy> billytwowilly: yeah, tritium could be right.
[08:55] <tritium> billytwowilly, System->Preferences->Sound
[08:56] <occy> noone was answering so I was just guessing :)
[08:56] <tritium> billytwowilly, I'm using Hoary.  I hope your menu is setup the same way...
[08:56] <billytwowilly> tritium, there is an "enable sound server at startup" but no "shut down sound server"
[08:56] <billytwowilly> tritium, I'm running hoary too;)
[08:56] <tritium> billytwowilly, good deal
[08:57] <tritium> billytwowilly, right, but you can disable it.  You can kill the currently running server manually
[08:58] <atlas95> ok trukulo i try this thx :)
[08:58] <trukulo> ok
[08:58] <billytwowilly> tritium, how would I kill it?
[08:59] <tritium> billytwowilly, ps ax | grep esd
[08:59] <tritium> that will show you the process
[08:59] <tritium> then kill #
[09:01] <ixane> grrr. grub error 18
[09:01] <ixane> max cyl exceeds the max supported by bios
[09:01] <Yeahh> wassup
[09:02] <ixane> this sounds a bit like the error debian had where it couldn't figure out my 160gb hd
[09:02] <ogra> ixane: play a bit with the LBA settings of your BIOS ;)
[09:02] <ixane> this is an older computer
[09:03] <tritium> billytwowilly, did you get it?
[09:03] <trukulo> ixane, that computer support that big hds?
[09:03] <ixane> it's worked in other distros :/
[09:04] <ixane> debian is the only one that has had a problem with it.
[09:04] <ixane> the problem was that it ran into that 137 gb limit.
[09:04] <trukulo> ixane, knows nothing about it, i'm poor, my hd is 30gb
[09:05] <ixane> trukulo: this was a freebie :)
[09:05] <ixane> the old hd was 10gb
[09:05] <ixane> but in any case, it's annoying.
[09:06] <ogra> ixane: its pretty sure solvable with other LBA settings, but if your BIOS doesnt support it :(
[09:07] <ixane> perhaps I can manually enter in the geom in my bios
[09:07] <ogra> uhh
[09:07] <ixane> and LBA is supported btw
[09:08] <ogra> ixane: so try switching it if there are different options
[09:09] <ixane> the only options I see are LBA, NORMAL, and LARGE
[09:09] <ixane> for verious things
[09:09] <ixane> various*
[09:09] <ogra> ixane: what was set up ?
[09:09] <ixane> LBA
[09:10] <ixane> Normal didn't work
[09:10] <ogra> ixane: so try large
[09:10] <ixane> I'm about to try large
[09:10] <ogra> heh
[09:10] <ixane> wait for it...
[09:10] <ixane> wait for it...
[09:10] <ixane> it says 'GRUB loading, please wait...' and my floppy drive light came on, but there it sits...
[09:11] <ogra> hmm
[09:11] <ixane> and my keyboard won't respond.  Caps and Numlock won't do anything
[09:11] <ogra> quite bad
[09:11] <trukulo> ixane, try config bios in related USB things
[09:11] <trukulo> legacy USB , i think
[09:12] <ixane> trukulo, A) it's already on B) it's an IDE drive, so how would USB help?
[09:13] <ixane> and a PS/2 keyboard
[09:13] <ixane> maybe I have to reinstall
[09:14] <ixane> grub was set up with it set to LBA
[09:14] <trukulo> ixane, that's about keyboard lock
[09:14] <ixane> oh
[09:14] <ogra> ixane: shouldnt matter for the mbr
[09:14] <ixane> lets see if it'll detect the full HD size with the config set to normal
[09:15] <ogra> good idea
[09:15] <ixane> in the install I mean
[09:15] <occy> gimp 2.2 in hoary?
[09:15] <ixane> odd though.  No distro except for debian based ones has had a problem with it
[09:15] <ixane> and I've tried a few
[09:17] <bborkk> What's the digital camera situation like on Ubuntu these days?  I'm thinking about buying a Canon SD300 camera, but I haven't found any information about whether or not it plays well with Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular.
[09:20] <JStrike> bborkk : Look at gphoto.org
[09:23] <elmo> sorry
[09:23] <ixane> hell. I probobly have to make a boot partition that's before cyl 1024
[09:25] <ogra> bborkk: a400 and a75 work..... not sure about SD300, but with a little luck canon uses the same protocol eveywhere
[09:25] <occy> w00p, it installed and even X is working
[09:27] <Captain_Obvious> hows ubuntu for using it as a webserver?
[09:27] <Ribs> Captain_Obvious, fine, I'm told
[09:28] <Ribs> personally, I would rather use Debian for server duties
[09:28] <nakee> Captain_Obvious: try www.freedesktop.org :)
[09:28] <ogra> Captain_Obvious: look at www.ubuntulinux.org it seems to cope good with the userbase
[09:28] <ogra> Ribs: why that ?
[09:29] <djuuss> hey
[09:29] <Ribs> because Debian is well suited for the task. Ubuntu is more of a desktop distro.
[09:29] <Ribs> I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Ubuntu, it's great for what it is. But I personally would rather use Debian
[09:29] <djuuss> what apt mirror do i use for packages found in for instance.. the PLF?
[09:30] <mgedmin> AFAIU one reason to prefer Ubuntu to Debian on a server is that Debian woody is 2 years old, and Debian sarge does not have security updates
[09:30] <ogra> Ribs: how did you get this idea ? ubuntu is debian under the hood....with a lot improvements debian will see way later....ever tried a custom install of ubuntu ?
[09:31] <Ribs> I am aware it's based on Debian, but has a lot of extras that I would never consider on a server. And no, I haven't tried a custom installation.
[09:31] <Captain_Obvious> well, atm i have one comp and it'll be both a server and a desktop
[09:31] <|QuaD-> Ribs: supposedly the ubuntu developers use it as a server
[09:31] <ixane> that's it. I'm done playing games with the installer.  I'm going to do a custom install
[09:32] <ixane> hopefully that'll actually work
[09:32] <ogra> Ribs: you get a slim (200mb) base system, nothing else, then you can add your server stuff
[09:32] <Captain_Obvious> i should be getting a comp soon for use as a server
[09:32] <Ribs> *shrug*, like I said. It's personal preference
[09:32] <Captain_Obvious> and im going to be installing the new distro this weekend
[09:32] <|QuaD-> Captain_Obvious: the new distro?
[09:33] <Captain_Obvious> which will probably be ubuntu
[09:33] <|QuaD-> oh
[09:34] <kayali> hello there
[09:34] <Captain_Obvious> hopefully i get the computer soon
[09:34] <the--dud> hi folks
[09:34] <nakee> Rico:what's the diffrance? same version of apache and if you want to computer stable then install on it only what you need
[09:35] <EpheMeroN> Hey guys. I just did an install of Ubuntu last night. What's the easiest way to upgrade Firefox from 0.9.3 to 1.0?
[09:35] <Captain_Obvious> are there any problems installing kde on ubuntu?
[09:35] <Ribs> EpheMeroN, With the backports project
[09:36] <jordi> mako: fooooooooooooooood
[09:36] <mooch> mako!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[09:36] <EpheMeroN> what's that?
[09:36] <mooch> jordi: tio, no me envies sms's a mi, cuando se los quieres enviar a mako
[09:36] <mooch> ups
[09:36] <mooch> english
[09:36] <jordi> mooch: lol
[09:37] <ACID|net> how do i get more than 1 ip on a network card???
[09:38] <nakee> especialy since debian kernel on stable is way behind
[09:38] <EpheMeroN> there's no simple apt-get install firefox type command?
[09:38] <EpheMeroN> i already added the repositories listed on the user guide
[09:38] <billytwowilly> tritium it worked. thanks
[09:39] <Captain_Obvious> it would be apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:39] <Riddell> Captain_Obvious: no
[09:39] <EpheMeroN> ah okay
[09:39] <EpheMeroN> and will that upgrade it to 1.0 without any issues?
[09:39] <nakee> EpheMeroN: it depends if you want to keep stable or move to development
[09:40] <EpheMeroN> I just want to upgrade to 1.0 and then install Java and Flash.
[09:41] <ogra> EpheMeroN: flash is in multiverse .... for java see the wiki
[09:42] <kayali> how stable is hoary this day? any outstanding issue?
[09:42] <EpheMeroN> k
[09:42] <AMIGrAve> First time that I ask to ask, but are KDE Ubuntu questions allowed ?
[09:43] <nakee> ogra: why is that?there are packages for flash on various platforms
[09:43] <ogra> kayali: better question....how stable is hoary tommorow ;)
[09:45] <ogra> nakee: i see only flashplayer-mozilla in synaptic.....
[09:46] <kayali> ogra: I was gonna ask it just after ;)
[09:46] <ogra> *g*
[09:46] <djuuss> AMIGrAve: all questions allowed, but since not everyone uses kde, there aren't as many people who know the answers
[09:46] <bborkk> JStrike: Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[09:46] <ogra> kayali: nobody can say .....
[09:47] <ogra> AMIGrAve: since ubuntu ust gets a community based branch called kubuntu....
[09:48] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: KDE Ubuntu questions are allowed
[09:48] <kayali> ogra: kubuntu? do they have a homepage I could check?
[09:48] <Riddell> kayali: no homepage yet, there's a wiki page
[09:49] <ogra> kayali: there was a talk in mataro at the conference... i think you can find somethink on the wiki
[09:49] <nakee> what wiki does ubuntu site uses?
[09:49] <ACID|net> |-)
[09:49] <AMIGrAve> yeah I heard about kubuntu but it is hard to get information about it except the wiki page on ubuntu
[09:49] <ACID|net> hmmm, setting up apache is a lot harder than i expected
[09:50] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: what information would you like?
[09:50] <ACID|net> i want it to be setup like a production server but i dont what it should look like
[09:50] <ACID|net> i want multi-ips and multi-domains but all internal so what should i do???
[09:51] <ACID|net> <VirtualHost testlocal.localdomain>
[09:51] <ACID|net> and then edit the hosts.conf to testlocal.localdomain
[09:52] <kayali> how come I can't find 'smbmount' on my fresh warty install? I'm new to ubuntu and find it strange that it seems not to come with samba... since Nautilus fails to see the windows computer, I thought 'mount -t smbfs' would do, but it seems the kernel also comes without smbfs support...
[09:52] <occy> anything I gotta do to be able to ssh to my ubuntu box?  I do a which ssh and it is in /usr/bin
[09:52] <naibed> hi
[09:52] <djuuss> anyone tried the new debian drivers for nvidia instead of the 6111 ubuntu package?
[09:52] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: three things : 1) is it a very early project or is there already a preview running  2) is it as free as ubuntu and debian   3) If I want to help the project, what can I do, who should I contact ?
[09:53] <ogra> occy: install openssh-server, there is only the client by default
[09:53] <occy> ogra: ahh, danke
[09:53] <ACID|net> 1) warty is a proper release
[09:53] <ACID|net> 1) been out since ocoter
[09:53] <derJunior> hi@all
[09:53] <ogra> occy gern geschen
[09:53] <occy> ogra: :)
[09:53] <ogra> :)
[09:54] <ACID|net> opps sorry, misread
[09:54] <derJunior> i need some tools: lame galeon and limewire, how can i install this under ubuntu?
[09:54] <derJunior> or what do i need to put into the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:54] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: it's a very early project, the only things that's been done is some packages have been uploaded to hoary which you can see in hoary-changes
[09:54] <derJunior> ogra: ne idee?
[09:55] <naibed> derJunior, apt-get them. If they're not in the ubuntu repos, uncomment the "world" repositories (/etc/apt/sources.list)
[09:55] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: it is of course Free Software and will be available at no cost once CDs are available
[09:55] <ogra> AMIGrAve: ask haggai if he comes around
[09:55] <kayali> no one knows how to mount a windows share with ubuntu?
[09:55] <derJunior> naibed: hm i have uncomment the world repoitories
[09:55] <naibed> Kaloz, mount -t smbfs //IP/C /mnt/C -o WORKGROU=FOO,guest
[09:56] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: 3) good question, what is your experience and skills, we don't have a mailing list yet unfortunatly, you can add comments on the wiki page
[09:56] <ogra> derJunior: dunno if galeon is in hoary, limewire depends on ava i think...
[09:56] <kayali> naibed: unsupported filesystem type...
[09:56] <naibed> kayali, try with smbmount (if you don't have it, install it)
[09:56] <derJunior> ogra: hm i don't understand you
[09:56] <kayali> naibed: but doesnt smbmount come with samba?
[09:56] <calc> kayali: go to "Network Servers" click on "File" click on "Connect to Servers"
[09:56] <naibed> Kaloz, with smbfs pkg
[09:57] <ogra> derJunior: there is no java in ubuntu.... so no limewire as it is a ava program
[09:57] <ogra> java
[09:57] <naibed> ogra, what?
[09:57] <derJunior> ogra: oh okay but that is bad
[09:57] <derJunior> i need java to
[09:57] <derJunior> too
[09:57] <kayali> calc: wow, thanks... that worked ;)
[09:57] <ogra> derJunior: for java and lame: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:57] <ACID|net> anyone got a wiki for apache??
[09:58] <derJunior> oh there is a wiki
[09:58] <derJunior> gread
[09:58] <derJunior> great
[09:58] <ogra> ACID|net: www.apache.org ;)
[09:58] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: well I've not good skills in programming (just python, php, C# (yeah, I know ;-) and I did C long time ago,) as the required skills for KDE are around C++ i'm out of the game for that, but I want to learn deb packaging.
[09:59] <ogra> cenerentola: hi ;)
[09:59] <naibed> Does anyone know how can I join to rosetta project? I mean how can I register to be able to translate programs via web?
[10:00] <Riddell> what's the name of the gnome RSS reader?
[10:00] <calc> blam, or thunderbird
[10:00] <naibed> Riddell, apt-cache search gnome rss
[10:00] <calc> blam doesn't show pictures, etc
[10:01] <linux_mafia> i like liferea the best, but crashes every 2 seconds
[10:01] <linux_mafia> well it did last time i tried it
[10:01] <linux_mafia> calc, blam shows pics
[10:02] <ogra> Riddell: liferea is also a good one
[10:04] <Riddell> ogra: ah, that's the one I was thinking of, thanks
[10:07] <eim> I'm experiencing some troubles with a fresh installed Warty version on a Dell Dimension (8300): The grub boot loader hangs during the boot process: I just get some "GRUB, GRUB, ..." on the upper left corner. Any suggestions? Thanks.
[10:08] <eim> grub is installed in the MBR. Maybe I should install it on the first partition.
[10:08] <naibed> eim, have a look at grub's bugs (more than ubuntu specific..)
[10:08] <eim> naibed: I don't think it's a *real* grub bug but much more a miss-configuration.
[10:10] <linux_mafia> for those running hoary, in the newly appeared debian menu, are there duplicates of all the entries?
[10:11] <ogra> eim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:11] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, they put the Debian menu back in Hoary ?
[10:11] <eim> ogra: I'll check, thanks.
[10:11] <ogra> linux_mafia: it will surely disappear soon
[10:11] <ogra> LinuxJones: its a bug i think.....
[10:12] <LinuxJones> ogra, I hope so :D
[10:12] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, at the moment its there, i assume it will go soon
[10:12] <derJunior> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <-- this is the URL
[10:13] <derJunior> but how can i put it into the sources.list
[10:13] <ogra> derJunior: is broken
[10:13] <occy> hmmm, can't seem to get X to go into 1024x768 full screen.  It just makes the window smaller (from 1400x1050) onscreen.
[10:13] <derJunior> what i syntax do i need
[10:13] <derJunior> ogra: *grmL*
[10:13] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, there were some problems with X in Hoqry a few days ago, do you know it it has been fixed ?
[10:13] <occy> nvidia?
[10:13] <occy> isn't there a bot in here?
[10:13] <ogra> derJunior: marillat seems not to work anymore
[10:14] <derJunior> ogra: hmkay and what can i use instead of this?
[10:14] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, i never noticed any problems, so cant say if its been fixed or not
[10:14] <ftwig> updating WiFi Howtos, anyone there who wnderstands WiFi who can have a look?
[10:14] <ogra> derJunior: no idea, i personally use totem xine
[10:14] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, ok thanks
[10:14] <derJunior> totem?
[10:14] <Pozac> totem is sweet.
[10:14] <ogra> derJunior: totem-xine
[10:14] <derJunior> ogra: is this another deb?
[10:14] <ogra> derJunior: yep
[10:15] <derJunior> ogra: okay can you say me the link or the entry in the sources lsit?
[10:15] <Pozac> ogra, do you have it working in hoary?
[10:15] <ogra> derJunior: its in universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:15] <Rewop> cool. an ubuntu channel
[10:15] <derJunior> ogra: i am on console
[10:15] <derJunior> :)
[10:16] <ogra> Pozac: totem xine? nope, i dont use my hoary box, i just play with it ;)
[10:16] <Pozac> ogra, good choice :)
[10:16] <derJunior> ogra: okay sorry, but what should i do with totem?
[10:16] <ogra> Pozac: wartyis for real work :)
[10:16] <derJunior> it is a media player
[10:17] <ogra> derJunior: you showed the marillat url, so i thought you wanted mplayer
[10:17] <derJunior> i need things like galeon lame java and some like this
[10:17] <derJunior> ogra: okay mplayer is great too
[10:17] <Rewop> can anyone say why i should switch from warty to hoary? i haven't understood the difference between them..
[10:17] <nu-unxsaintaant_> derJunior, u got a dvd player or burner?
[10:17] <Pozac> ogra: but not without backports :)
[10:17] <ogra> derJunior: its all described on the restricted formats page
[10:18] <ogra> Pozac:only firefox.... ;)
[10:18] <derJunior> nu-unxsaintaant_: why you ask me?
[10:18] <derJunior> ogra: yes but the link is broaken you said
[10:18] <ogra> derJunior: not the link, the packages
[10:18] <ogra> derJunior: they dont work in ubuntu anymore
[10:19] <derJunior> okay this isn't better
[10:19] <Pozac> Rewop, you should not
[10:19] <ogra> derJunior: for hoary there is a working mplayer in multiverse
[10:19] <Pozac> Rewop, hoary will be released in april
[10:19] <derJunior> ogra: hm okay
[10:20] <Rewop> Pozac: but in the forums everyone talks like if they have switched..
[10:20] <ogra> Rewop: hoary is unstable, breaks from time to time.....and is in steady flux
[10:20] <Rewop> Pozac: aha
[10:20] <Pozac> Rewop, because they can. It's free, though still in development. There are many great things going on in the free software world now, so for many - the newer the better :)
[10:21] <Rewop> Pozac: ok
[10:21] <ogra> Rewop: its the version that is currently developed and will be the next stable release in april
[10:21] <Pozac> yeh
[10:21] <Pozac> so when you're done exploring and knowing all about warty, hoary is ready for you :)
[10:22] <the--dud> and now for something completely different: ubuntu suffers some major norwegian language confusion
[10:22] <derJunior> do i only have to change warty with hoary in my sources.list?
[10:22] <the--dud> one second its bokml, next its danish, then its suddenly nynorsk
[10:22] <ogra> Rewop: but if you want to help to track bugs and dont care about the instabilities (and know how to fix certain things) hoary is for you
[10:22] <Pozac> derJunior, yep
[10:23] <kayali> is there somewhere I can see a list of packages for ubuntu? I mean, the content of the repositories... I remember seeing that somewhere on the website
[10:24] <thenuke> synaptic
[10:24] <Rewop> ogra: i'm quite new to all this ubuntu stuff :) .. but why aren't they like upgrading the packages and stuff? in debian they did it all the time.. and for about 2 months ago they did it with ubuntu too, i think..
[10:24] <Pozac> kayali, synaptic?
[10:24] <kayali> Pozac: I'm looking for a website
[10:24] <ogra> Rewop: not on my woody machine :)
[10:24] <whatah> ubuntu, ubuntu, oi oi oi
[10:24] <Gwildor|Work> Rewop, warty is frozen....no more updates.....except for security
[10:24] <Riddell> Rewop: they are upgrading hoary which is the current "unstable" ubuntu
[10:25] <Pozac> kayali, I believe there is... somewhere..
[10:25] <ogra> Rewop: the stable release of debian only gets security updates, nohing else...as ubuntu stable does
[10:25] <Rewop> aha.. so they were uprgading warty when IT was unstable..
[10:25] <Rewop> now i get it..
[10:25] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[10:26] <Pozac> I don't get it.
[10:26] <Pozac> Chibifs?
[10:26] <the--dud> isnt localization an important goal for ubuntu?
[10:26] <the--dud> hello?
[10:27] <ogra> Pozac: its a nick
[10:27] <ogra> the--dud: yep, it is.....thats why hoary just gets switched to utf8 everywhere
[10:27] <Pozac> oh
[10:28] <the--dud> ogra, how can i help in sorting out this awful norwegian translation then?
[10:28] <the--dud> its terribly inconsistent
[10:28] <Rewop> yesterday i tried to fix two monitors with two graphic cards to my computer, but it didn't work.. how do you do that? some talked about xinerama, but i couldn't find it for ubuntu.. is there another way?
[10:28] <Pozac> the--dud, is it warty or hoary?
[10:29] <ogra> the--dud: the ubuntu-devel mailing list is the best start place i think..... and dile a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <ogra> file
[10:29] <Pozac> Rewop, its a feature in xfree86
[10:29] <the--dud> warty
[10:29] <naibed> Rewop, xinerama is (I think) an extension for XFree/Xorg
[10:29] <the--dud> i just became aware of the warty/hoary issue 5 minutes ago
[10:29] <Pozac> Rewop, you need to reconfigure your XF86Config
[10:30] <ogra> the--dud: hmm, warty wont see any updates execpt critical stuff....
[10:30] <Rewop> Pozac: ok.. how?
[10:30] <Rewop> :)
[10:30] <Pozac> I'm totally sure how except manually :(
[10:30] <the--dud> perhaps its better in hoary
[10:30] <naibed> Rewop, RTFM :)
[10:30] <Pozac> X -config
[10:30] <Pozac> perhaps
[10:30] <naibed> the--dud, It's more up-to-date :)
[10:30] <ogra> Rewop: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:30] <Pozac> thanks, ogra
[10:31] <Pozac> RuffianSoldier just spammed me
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> hey
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> pozac
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> nonono
[10:31] <Pozac> wtf is up with that?
[10:31] <kayali> damn, when I import mp3s into rhythmbox, it tells me there's no plugin to handle that filetype... how funny ;)
[10:31] <Rewop> ogra: i have done that.. but i can only configure one card.. at least what i saw..
[10:31] <the--dud> ill have to verify that later, as im still using slackware on my primary machine
[10:31] <naibed> kayali, did you miss any gstreamer plugin?
[10:32] <Rewop> you'll have to excuse my english.. i'm a foreigner :)
[10:32] <kayali> naibed: well, I just did a normal install...
[10:32] <naibed> the same to me :P
[10:32] <the--dud> been waiting for my new harddrive, then ill install ubuntu on this one as well
[10:32] <ogra> Rewop: me too ;)
[10:32] <djuuss> who isn't
[10:32] <nu-unxsaintaant_> how would I know if I had a stable version of unix?
[10:32] <naibed> kayali, apt-cache search gstreamer mp3
[10:32] <salgado> what's used in warty installation to detect the monitor and videocard?
[10:32] <ogra> djuuss: not everywhere though
[10:32] <djuuss> nu-unxsaintaant_: if it doesnt boot into windoze
[10:32] <naibed> kayali, I think you need that
[10:33] <kayali> naibed: gstreamer0.8-misc - Collection of various GStreamer plugins
[10:33] <djuuss> ogra: agreed, wether or not your a foreigner depends where "here" is
[10:33] <ogra> hehe
[10:33] <naibed> kayali, , gstreamer-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[10:34] <the--dud> btw, i see on the wiki pages that there is a bounty out for a sound theme for hoary?
[10:34] <the--dud> but i cant see it on the main bounty page
[10:34] <Blackwell> sound theme? make it not-annoying please. :>
[10:34] <ogra> the--dud: not sure if not already someone has claimed it
[10:34] <NewComer> for some reason i update the list and upgrade yet gnome/xchat and many packages aren't updated
[10:34] <NewComer> apt-get update
[10:34] <the--dud> ah, shoot
[10:34] <NewComer> apt-get upgrade
[10:35] <djuuss> specially if it should fit with "hoary warthog"
[10:35] <ogra> the--dud: also a thing for the ubuntu-devel list ;)
[10:35] <djuuss> (e.g. don't record your mom as a sound theme just because she fits the description)
[10:35] <Pozac> hoary hedgehog?
[10:35] <ogra> Pozac: right
[10:36] <the--dud> ogra, im well traversed with mailing lists thank you ;) im just chitchatting some here...
[10:37] <naibed> Why do I get an " A system error occurred. " error while trying to upload any translation with rosetta? Maybe a server problem or it' my fault?
[10:38] <djuuss> prolly your fault
[10:38] <djuuss> check your fwall and modem
[10:38] <naibed> djuuss, :? don't think it's a firewall problem..
[10:39] <djuuss> hmm
[10:39] <djuuss> why not
[10:40] <djuuss> ?
[10:40] <naibed> djuuss, because 1)I don't have any firewall (nor NAT) and 2) a problem with my fw/modem trying to send a POST ..?
[10:40] <Rewop> when i setup my Shortcut Keys to pause music when i press ctrl-shift-s, i can't use the "s"-key after that, why is that?
[10:41] <djuuss> can you send POST without rosetta?
[10:41] <naibed> djuuss, of course
[10:41] <ogra> naibed: are you logged in ?
[10:41] <djuuss> and you got rosetta through apt?
[10:41] <naibed> ogra, yes
[10:41] <Pozac> Rewop, sounds like a bug. Does it happen with other shortcut keys?
[10:41] <ogra> djuuss: rosetta is a server
[10:42] <naibed> djuuss, I mean the web..
[10:42] <Pozac> apt-get install google.com
[10:42] <djuuss> lol
[10:42] <djuuss> i get it
[10:42] <Rewop> Pozac: only with letters and numbers i think..
[10:43] <justin2> how can I disable IPv6?
[10:43] <ogra> Rewop: laptop ?
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> anyone can tell me how to update my linux, apt-get update... ^^^
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> ??
[10:43] <djuuss> then i don't know never tried
[10:43] <Rewop> ogra: no
[10:43] <Pozac> Rewop, Odd.
[10:43] <djuuss> apt-get update
[10:43] <djuuss> and then apt-get upgrade
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> thats it?
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> thanks ! :)
[10:43] <djuuss> update gets new package list, upgrade downloads the new packages
[10:43] <djuuss> np
[10:44] <crimsun> justin2: why do you want to disable IPv6? :)
[10:44] <ogra> djuuss: for rosetta: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[10:44] <justin2> I get slow dns quaries
[10:44] <Rewop> anyone else experienced the same? could someone just test if it works on their machines?
[10:44] <naibed> So anyone can confirm me that it's not my fault? :?
[10:44] <crimsun> justin2: blame your ISP
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> does that mean that there is no update available?
[10:45] <naibed> D0wnXcaST, that's it
[10:45] <crimsun> justin2: you can also use iptables to discard IPv6 packets
[10:45] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: looks like;)
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> because i juste re-install ubuntu, shouldn't have new update?
[10:45] <ogra> justin2: everywhere or only in certain apps ?
[10:46] <naibed> D0wnXcaST, you can dist-upgrade to hoary..
[10:46] <plattypus1> Hi all.
[10:46] <crimsun> 'lo plattypus1
[10:46] <plattypus1> I need help. I'm trying to get Ubuntu and a self-compiled kernel to get along.
[10:46] <ogra> plattypus1: why that ?
[10:46] <plattypus1> However, every time I try to boot it kernel panics, no root found.
[10:46] <crimsun> plattypus1: did you create the initrd image?
[10:46] <D0wnXcaST> naibed: what is this &
[10:46] <D0wnXcaST> hoary?
[10:47] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: its the unstable development branch
[10:47] <Snegec> Anyone can tell me what these 3 things mean? Assertion (heads < 256) at disk_dos.c:486 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:47] <Snegec> Assertion ((C * heads + H) * sectors + S == A) at disk_dos:495 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:47] <crimsun> plattypus1: then rebuild your kernel with support for the root filesystem in it.
[10:47] <Pozac> plattypus1, what do you need a self compiled kernel for?
[10:47] <Snegec> Assertion (heads > 0) at disk_dos.c:485 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:47] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: dont upgrade to it if you canz handle instability and breakage
[10:47] <ogra> cant
[10:47] <D0wnXcaST> ok, than i wont upgrade to it
[10:47] <crimsun> plattypus1: not as a module ("m") but directly as "y"
[10:48] <D0wnXcaST> I'm new to linux, only 2 weeks now
[10:48] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[10:48] <naibed> Snegec, an assertion is something that shouldn't happen :)
[10:48] <Pozac> I assert that naibed is wrong
[10:48] <naibed> :o
[10:48] <plattypus1> Pozac, first, I think it helps performance, and second I want to make Linuxant's DriverLoader work and it doesn't like the kernel-source package.
[10:48] <Pozac> ;)
[10:48] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: did you already enable universe and multiverse to get more software ?
[10:49] <Snegec> naibed: I reckon it's my hard drive.. but no test or anything detects it.. Windows Scandisk wont get past FAT and I get blue screens in windows at times something about VFAT(01).. but I can't install Linux cuz of this :()
[10:49] <Pozac> plattypus1, ok.. it's probably the filesystem thing crimsun said
[10:49] <ogra> plattypus1: on ubuntu you dont use the kernel-source package
[10:49] <crimsun> plattypus1: linux-source
[10:49] <D0wnXcaST> ogra: yes before i re-installed linux, i had installed universe to have WINE.
[10:49] <NewComer> guys I need help, left apt to update to hoary overnight, got errors configuring some packages, namely base-config , console-data and console-common.. yet checking most of the packages on finds that they weren't updated, although there's new versions of these packages in /var/cache/apt/archives and running apt-get upgrade again doesn't update them
[10:49] <Pozac> plattypus1, I was... mere months ago
[10:49] <D0wnXcaST> ill go an enable it
[10:49] <naibed> Snegec, make a backup and run fdisk to repair that..
[10:49] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[10:49] <plattypus1> crimsun, that might be the problem...
[10:49] <crimsun> plattypus1: the problem is more than likely related to the root filesystem's support being in the initrd, which you aren't using.
[10:49] <ogra> plattypus1: and for linuxant you only need the linux-headers package
[10:49] <Snegec> naibed: run fdsik? Like? re-partition the drive?
[10:50] <plattypus1> ogra, every time it gives me errors that it can't find autoconf.h and version.h
[10:50] <naibed> Snegec, seems like a partition problem, isn't it?
[10:50] <ogra> plattypus1: you dont even have to reboot
[10:50] <Snegec> naibed: I dont know
[10:50] <Snegec> Naibed, seems like FAT problem if I was guessing
[10:50] <punkrockguy318> is hoary okay for day-to-day use?
[10:50] <ogra> plattypus1: got the build-essential package ?
[10:50] <punkrockguy318> or is everything pretty broken?
[10:50] <Snegec> and FAT problem on primary drive..
[10:50] <plattypus1> build-essential?
[10:51] <ogra> plattypus1: autoconf, automake, gcc etc
[10:51] <naibed> in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:51] <zenwhen> build-essential is all the gcc stuff
[10:51] <plattypus1> Yeah, I have those, though I apt-got them individually.
[10:51] <Pozac> apt-sorry
[10:51] <ferris> i have a package manager question
[10:51] <ogra> plattypus1: looks like autoconf is missing according your error
[10:51] <Pozac> ferris, yeh?
[10:51] <martin_> guys what package i need in order to run *.avi files?
[10:52] <crimsun> plattypus1: version.h is only in the linux-headers-foo packages
[10:52] <ferris> i installed some programs the were all games... but I cannot find them
[10:52] <ferris> they are not under games folder
[10:52] <Pozac> martin_, did you read the website?
[10:52] <crimsun> ferris: how did you install the games?
[10:52] <ogra> ferris: look in /usr/games for the executables
[10:52] <plattypus1> It says that autoconf.h in /usr/src/linux/somethingorother is missing, then tries to use "/boot/config-2.6.8-1-3-386 on a temporary kernel tree"
[10:52] <ferris> through the synaptic package manager
[10:52] <crimsun> plattypus1: read what I typed above :)
[10:53] <martin_> Pozac, remind me please which webiste.. im sorry, i have like 10 sites bookmarked, im sitting on the computer nonstop and finding more and more things i dont know and need to learn..
[10:53] <xeph> Hey. Does anyone know how to send a file over bluetooth to another devices (eg. cellphone) ?
[10:53] <ferris> checked the progs and chose apply
[10:53] <Snegec> naibis: sigh.. oh well.. guess I'll have to reinstall all over again.. jeezus
[10:53] <ogra> plattypus1: there are plenty wiki pages how to install linuxant/slmodem drivers....look there, you only need the headers and build essential
[10:54] <naibed> Snegec, make a backup, then have a look with fdisk..
[10:54] <Crane> hello
[10:54] <Pozac> martin_, go read here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:54] <plattypus1> I have support for the root fs in my kernel.
[10:54] <Bumjubeo> Quick one for someone :) - Ive installed Ubuntu and its all succesful, its on a dell inspiron 7500 - It goes through the verbose startup no problem, and once its all done that, the screen goes black, if I turn off the laptop, I see the login screen however the computer is shutting down. Ubuntu will load up if im using the live cd, anyone have any clues for this one :)
[10:54] <Pozac> martin_, I use totem-xine :)
[10:54] <plattypus1> It's ext3, and both ext2 and 3 are y.
[10:54] <naibed> bye
[10:54] <martin_> ok ill use it too then :) thanks pozac.
[10:54] <crimsun> plattypus1: and your motherboard chipset and HD drivers?
[10:54] <Pozac> You're welcome, martin_ :)
[10:55] <ferris> how can I make a link (on the desktop) to /usr/games?
[10:55] <crimsun> plattypus1: did you also disable initrd support?
[10:55] <ferris> the gui will not allow me to make link
[10:55] <plattypus1> I'm not a linux newbie, just not good with this distro. :)
[10:55] <ogra> plattypus1: the point with this distro is....you dont compile anything....
[10:56] <Pozac> ferris, middle click and drag
[10:56] <ogra> plattypus1: ....you just use it
[10:56] <Pozac> plattypus1, ubuntu needs portage!
[10:56] <crimsun> did you start with stock kernel source from kernel.org, or are you using kernel-source-foo, or are you using linux-source-foo, or...?
[10:56] <Crane> ferris rightclick on desktop and select cfreate launcher
[10:56] <ferris> does it seem like there are more and more people switching from MS to linux?
[10:56] <crimsun> ubuntu needs portage like a fish needs a bicycle
[10:56] <plattypus1> Pozac, That's what gentoo's for. I just don't want a source-based distro on a PII 233. :)
[10:56] <ogra> Pozac ????????
[10:56] <Pozac> crimsun, yeah well the fish already has the full body water suit
[10:56] <martin_> ferris, whats ms? windows you mean?
[10:57] <Crane> then in command enter nautilus /usr/games
[10:57] <Pozac> ogra?
[10:57] <Pozac> hehe
[10:57] <Pozac> ok ok.. ubuntu, for me, perhaps could might maybe use a little subset of some of portage
[10:57] <Pozac> and maybe just one ebuild
[10:57] <ferris> yes
[10:57] <crimsun> ugh.
[10:58] <ogra> Pozac: sudo apt-get build-dep <package> && apt-get source -b <package> is waaay better
[10:58] <crimsun> portage is great, but keep it in Gentoo.
[10:58] <plattypus1> So where did you say the Linuxant wiki were?
[10:59] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not convinced. :)
[10:59] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto at the bottom for example
[10:59] <the--dud> dont suppose there are any US based ubuntu rsync servers?
[10:59] <plattypus1> ogra, thankies.
[10:59] <ogra> Pozac: tried ?
[10:59] <martin_> Pozac, can i get totem-xine from apt-get?
[10:59] <the--dud> more specifically, for the cd images
[10:59] <crimsun> the--dud: umn.edu?
[11:00] <DaNewB> Just freshly installed Warty. My serial mouse doesnt work. How can I fix this?
[11:00] <Pozac> martin_, yes.. follow these instructions https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[11:00] <ferris> thanks for the help on that
[11:00] <Pozac> I believe totem-xine is in multiverse anyways
[11:01] <Agrajag> Pozac: universe
[11:01] <Pozac> ogra, no.. don't care so much about that part, I care about it takes 3 minutes to make a new ebuild
[11:01] <the--dud> crimsun, its not listed to have rsync on the wiki... but it might have anyway...
[11:01] <ogra> Pozac: depends on what you compile i guess
[11:01] <Pozac> Agrajag, ok..
[11:01] <mh_le> How "new" are the packages in ubuntu? same as debian?
[11:02] <crimsun> 'totem-xine' is in universe
[11:02] <Pozac> ogra, apt has never been my friend, synaptic is my friend :)
[11:02] <crimsun> (as Agrajag said)
[11:02] <ogra> Pozac: synaptic cant build packages (yet)
[11:02] <martin_> Pozac, i have totem-gstreamer and it seems to run the movie but i only get the sound without a picture... does that mean i just need divx codec? or should i dl xine?
[11:02] <Agrajag> get xine
[11:02] <martin_> hi Agrajag
[11:02] <Agrajag> apt-get install totem-xine
[11:02] <martin_> ok :)
[11:02] <ogra> martin_: get totem-xine
[11:02] <Agrajag> assuming apt works for you now
[11:02] <Pozac> martin_, get totem-xine. the xine backend is better
[11:02] <ogra> martin_: from universe
[11:02] <crimsun> martin_: do you have 'w32codecs' installed?
[11:02] <martin_> yeah Agrajag, works :)
[11:03] <martin_> ogra, thanks, ive set it up already
[11:03] <Pozac> ogra, so I guess I'm not building packages then
[11:03] <martin_> crimsun, i dont know what that is
[11:03] <martin_> crimsun, should i get it from apt-get?
[11:03] <ogra> Pozac: normally there is no need for building them....
[11:03] <crimsun> martin_: dpkg -l w32codecs|grep ^ii
[11:03] <Meleis> Hi !
[11:04] <Pozac> ogra, I know. I don't necessarily want to build the whole system :)
[11:04] <martin_> crimsun, man... could you please explain to me what dpkg does and means?
[11:04] <Meleis> Does someone know the command line to create Ubuntu ISO CD when having just files and directory ?
[11:04] <ogra> Pozac: the idea that anything gets faster with self compiled binarys is a myth i think.....and what you gain through optimization is marginal regarding the work it needs
[11:04] <Bumjubeo> So here it is :) Ive installed Ubuntu and its all succesful, its on a dell inspiron 7500 - It goes through the verbose startup no problem, and once its all done that, the screen goes black, if I turn off the laptop, I see the login screen however the computer is shutting down. Ubuntu will load up if im using the live cd, anyone have any clues for this one :)
[11:04] <Pozac> ogra, I just like that if I can see on the lists that a new gnome-panel has been released, I can copy gnome-panel-1.1 to gnome-panel-1.2 and install it (presuming nothing radically has changed)
[11:05] <nash> hello guys
[11:05] <martin_> no packages found matching w32codecs|grep ^ii, crimsun
[11:05] <the--dud> at least i cant connect to umn.edu through rsync ;/
[11:05] <crimsun> Meleis: are you sure you don't want to just download an iso?
[11:05] <martin_> oh dpkg means download package?
[11:05] <Agrajag> on, dpkg handles Debian packages
[11:05] <crimsun> martin_: 'w32codecs' is in Christian Marillat's repo. See the wiki under Restricted formats
[11:05] <Pozac> ogra, I also find it a myth. Ubuntu works as fast or faster than gentoo :)
[11:05] <martin_> oh, d stands for debian?
[11:06] <Agrajag> yes
[11:06] <ogra> yep
[11:06] <tolstoy_> folks, updated to hoary, no xorg.conf.  X -configure didn't work (or do I need to be out of X).  What was that deb-something command I need to get an xorg conf to appear?
[11:06] <Meleis> crimsun, i did but the md5sum failed... so i mounted it and i did "md5sum -c md5sum.txt" he told me which files had problems, so i downloaded them again... they are ok. Now i would like to build the CD...
[11:06] <martin_> ok crimsun.. what is wiki btw?
[11:06] <nash> guys, at boot the "starting hotplug subsystem" step takes 40 sec! any tip to speed up my boot?
[11:06] <djuuss> tolstoy_: you need to be out of X :)
[11:06] <ogra> tolstoy_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:06] <crimsun> martin_: it's explained on the wiki :)
[11:07] <ogra> djuuss: nope
[11:07] <djuuss> you dont?
[11:07] <kquamme94> hows everyone doing?/
[11:07] <occy> hey... I've done apt-get install nvidia-settings linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686     What do I need to do to setup nvida on this laptop?   ( nVidia GeForce2 Go chipset )
[11:07] <martin_> ftp.nerrim.net/debian-marrilat, crimsun?
[11:07] <djuuss> occy: $ nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:07] <ogra> djuuss: nope, but i think you dont reconfigure it if it already rund....the changes take effect on next X startup then
[11:08] <martin_> i got that repository, xskoulax helped me out with that one, crimsun
[11:08] <ogra> runs
[11:08] <Agrajag> martin_: have you run apt-get update since adding it?
[11:08] <martin_> ill go run a search in synapt..
[11:08] <ogra> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:08] <nash> guys, at boot the "starting hotplug subsystem" step takes 40 sec! any tip to speed up my boot?
[11:08] <martin_> Agrajag, yi dont think i have, ill run it now
[11:08] <Pozac> (ogra: notice how many people here are having apt-related problems)
[11:08] <crimsun> Meleis: use mkisofs(8) to generate an .iso
[11:08] <siretart> perhaps you guys want to have a look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[11:08] <Agrajag> martin_: k, after that you should be able to get w32codecs
[11:08] <crimsun> Meleis: read the man page, or look for a how-to
[11:08] <zenwhen> nash, hoary's hotplug is much faster.
[11:08] <djuuss> ogra: well if i were reconfiguring X i'd want to see what it changed, so beeing out of X isn't a bad idea, though not imperative perhaps
[11:09] <gilligan_> hi
[11:09] <ogra> Pozac: this will get better in hoary
[11:09] <tolstoy_> ogra, seems like someone here did something different to get it working, but I'll try that.
[11:09] <occy> ogra: k, tx, err... danke
[11:09] <occy> heh
[11:09] <ogra> djuuss: ctrl-alt-backspace works here too ;)
[11:09] <djuuss> nash: i'tll wear out
[11:09] <Meleis> crimsun, ok i was just hoping a dev to be here and the things going easier... thanks anyway
[11:09] <zenwhen> You can get hoary's hotplug system for warty in the ubuntu backports.
[11:09] <crimsun> Meleis: devs are in here
[11:09] <martin_> Agrajag, ok its all updated, ill try to get w32codecs
[11:09] <djuuss> ogra: gotta love that combo :)
[11:09] <nash> zenwhen: point me to some links
[11:10] <crimsun> Meleis: fortunately your question can be answered with a quick Google search
[11:10] <gilligan_> i just did an apt-get upgrade ( running hoary) and my sound ceased to work.. none of the apps complain or report any errors but i dont *hear* any output ;--]  has anythnig changed recently in that regard ? any hints ? ..
[11:10] <tolstoy_> weird.  updating to hoary didn't install the xorg server.  very weird.
[11:10] <Meleis> crimsun : with xcdroad i can make some ISOs, but there are some files he resized cause of Joliet limitations
[11:10] <djuuss> has it been released???
[11:10] <djuuss> just now?
[11:10] <zenwhen> Nash: we better discuss this in #ubuntuforums ... the people in here dont like backport discussions.
[11:11] <martin_> ok, downloading :)
[11:11] <Pozac> gilligan_, are you running KDE?
[11:11] <occy> ogra: <-- rox
[11:11] <Meleis> crimsun, xcdroad > xcdroast
[11:11] <Pozac> ogra, they want their mplayers that work and new firefoxes?
[11:11] <ogra> Pozac: bah
[11:11] <Pozac> hehe
[11:11] <gilligan_> Pozac: i have some kde packages installed but dont actually use it
[11:11] <nash> ok zenwhen, thanks...
[11:11] <zenwhen> ogra, some people want improvements and dont have time to test a new distro.
[11:11] <Meleis> ok, anyway, does anybody knows how to mount read-write (not read only) an ISO ?
[11:11] <gilligan_> Pozac: why - does that break anything?
[11:11] <ogra> Pozac:  i could live with the old ff.....i would still use it
[11:11] <Pozac> gilligan_, Ok.. kmix sometimes sets the audio output to the SP/DIF channel
[11:12] <zenwhen> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntu-bp/ thats the backports project
[11:12] <gilligan_> oh.. i found some error on startup..
[11:12] <Pozac> ogra, Lets see what happens in a couple of releases :)
[11:13] <Pozac> ogra, afterall, warty is a warthog
[11:13] <ogra> zenwhen: i know, i use the ff backport too, but there is really no need....and building a complete set of ff packages takes a lot of time....which i would rather see for improvements....
[11:13] <gilligan_> starting alsa.. /etc/rc2.d/S12alsa: Error: alsactl restore failed with message: alsactl: set_control:805: warning: name mismatch (DRC Switch/DRC Range ) for control #8
[11:13] <gilligan_> aslactl : set_control:892: bad contro.8.value type
[11:13] <djuuss> i'm getting myself a dual boot of yoper, their site is back online so i'll try it out
[11:13] <gilligan_> any alsa experts around? ;-}
[11:13] <Meleis> ok... :o(
[11:13] <ogra> zenwhen: so hoary will miss things again, because the manpower was missing ....
[11:13] <zenwhen> ogra, well If things like FF 1.0 arent going to be offered fro warty, someone needs to offer it.
[11:14] <Meleis> have a nice day, bye
[11:14] <zenwhen> for*
[11:14] <Pozac> ogra, has the manpower been missing?
[11:14] <ogra> zenwhen: why, 0.9.3 worked fine
[11:14] <Pozac> people want the newest version
[11:14] <ogra> Pozac: every helping hand improves
[11:14] <zenwhen> ogra, thats not the point for most people. They want the newest version.
[11:14] <Pozac> desktop people want the newest version
[11:14] <zenwhen> And ntohing will stop them from wanting it.
[11:14] <ogra> what for ?
[11:14] <Pozac> pride
[11:14] <ogra> bah
[11:14] <Pozac> freedom
[11:14] <ogra> ok
[11:15] <zenwhen> Its better that people run warty and still file bug reports on other packahges in it than switch to another diestro to get what they want.
[11:15] <zenwhen> distro*
[11:15] <djuuss> talking about latest version.. when will OOo 1.1.3 make it into warty?
[11:15] <Pozac> never
[11:15] <Amaranth> No.
[11:15] <Amaranth> Warty is frozen, it won't change.
[11:15] <Pozac> unless you backport it
[11:15] <ogra> zenwhen: dont you think a 6 month release cycle is enough ? i can live 6 months with the current version
[11:15] <occy> ogra: much better looking
[11:15] <djuuss> arg
[11:16] <crimsun> hey occy, how's the triath training going?
[11:16] <occy> crimsun: did my first 21 miler sunday!
[11:16] <djuuss> guess i'll back up my /home and try hoary
[11:16] <occy> w00p
[11:16] <crimsun> nice!
[11:16] <ogra> wpw
[11:16] <occy> whew, it was work, that's for sure.
[11:16] <djuuss> ciao
[11:16] <occy> sites are down due to upgrade of the php bug.
[11:16] <zenwhen> ogra, many people can't. I dont see how backports hurt anyone. There are people who want a) updated software and b) stability. Backports + warty is just that.
[11:16] <naibed> gilligan_, try witch alsactl..
[11:16] <occy> otherwise I'd point you to em'
[11:16] <occy> :)
[11:16] <Bumjubeo> So here it is :) Ive installed Ubuntu and its all succesful, its on a dell inspiron 7500 - It goes through the verbose startup no problem, and once its all done that, the screen goes black, if I turn off the laptop, I see the login screen however the computer is shutting down. Ubuntu will load up if im using the live cd, anyone have any clues for this one :)
[11:17] <Pozac> portage is excellent for this task
[11:17] <saif> hello, guys, any good books on how to develop web applications using mono?!?! if that is possible?!?!
[11:17] <Amaranth> saif: whoa, slow down
[11:17] <DaNewB> How can I make my serial mouse work?
[11:17] <crimsun> saif: yes, there's an excellent one. Hold.
[11:17] <ogra> zenwhen: i didnt say they hurt anyone.....i am just a little sad that the manpower gets lost on a dead dog
[11:17] <Pozac> if you want newer than warty and not unstable - compile it yourself, using portage
[11:17] <Amaranth> crimsun: Mono: A Developer's Handbook? :)
[11:17] <naibed> or pkgsrc :P
[11:17] <occy> hmmm
[11:18] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, X error probably
[11:18] <saif> was that too fast?!?! sorry! :)
[11:18] <occy> at 1024x768 there is some wierd blurring of things
[11:18] <etorix> yeah .. if you have a week to spare
[11:18] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, can you use CTRL-ALT-F1 to jump to a console when the screen is black?
[11:18] <NewComer> darksatanic, edit ur XF86config, put /dev/tty0
[11:18] <Bumjubeo> let me just check that one
[11:18] <occy> it's crystal clear at 1400x1050
[11:18] <occy> (which I'd love to use by my almost 60 year old Mom would have issues with that res)
[11:18] <bytecoder> occy: why would you want to run X at a lower resolution then the max?
[11:19] <NewComer> DaNewB, edit ur XF86config, put /dev/tty0 as input device in mouse section
[11:19] <Amaranth> ogra: If you want up-to-the-minute packages use hoary or gentoo. The 6-month cycle is designed for have a system that doesn't change little by little so it's easier to maintain and support.
[11:19] <saif> Amaranth: thanx!! i'll chk it out!
[11:19] <occy> bytecoder: see above :)
[11:19] <zenwhen> ogra, well it is a double edged sword. People would compile the apps themseleves if they wanted them. this just makes it easier. I refuse to run hoary until there is a preview ISO.
[11:19] <NewComer> darksatanic, sorry that wasn't for u
[11:19] <ogra> Amaranth: heh, i know :)
[11:19] <martin_> Pozac, when i mark xine for installation it tells me that i need to remove gstreamer and desktop(?) and to install xine
[11:19] <Pozac> ogra, I find it weird that people who give their software away in two versions - stable and unstable - cannot give their users stable updates for 6 months
[11:19] <martin_> to install xine*
[11:19] <Pozac> martin_, Yes. Do it.
[11:19] <zenwhen> No matter how helpful it might be, I cannot be incovenienced with instability.
[11:19] <crimsun> Amaranth: of course :)
[11:19] <ogra> zenwhen: i got an extra box for hoary testing and development :)
[11:19] <Bumjubeo> Prozac: ctrl-alt-f1 took me to the console yeah
[11:19] <Amaranth> zenwhen: You can't make a preview ISO of a constantly moving target. It literally changes every hour.
[11:19] <martin_> Pozac, ok.
[11:19] <crimsun> saif: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/monoadn/
[11:20] <ogra> zenwhen: but use warty for all my work
[11:20] <Pozac> martin_, ubuntu-desktop is just a empty package to make sure you install all the stuff the ubuntu guys want you to have is there
[11:20] <crimsun> saif: in fact, look here: http://www.mono-project.com/about/books.html
[11:20] <DaNewB> NewComer, thnks, i'll try
[11:20] <Amaranth> crimsun: I talk to the author from time to time on irc.gnome.org :)
[11:20] <crimsun> Amaranth:)
[11:20] <Pozac> martin_, and totem-xine conflicts with totem-gstreamer, which is needed by ubuntu-desktop :)
[11:20] <zenwhen> ogra, I have a warty server and a warty desktop. I am thinking baout building a third box for Hoary testing.
[11:20] <saif> all righty! thanx a lot!
[11:20] <ogra> martin_: reinistall this package before you upgrade to the next stable version of ubuntu....many things will rely on it
[11:20] <Amaranth> saif: You probably want an ASP.NET book and the Mono one.
[11:21] <bytecoder> you could always install gstreamer-mad, which enables support for the "controversial" formats
[11:21] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, login and edit your XF86Config
[11:21] <Amaranth> saif: The ASP.NET one will teach you how to use that and the Mono one will show you how to setup mono to use it for web sites.
[11:21] <Bumjubeo> awesome, thanks prozac!
[11:21] <bytecoder> I think you need to enable the debian marillat repository to get it, though
[11:21] <saif> Amaranth: I don't think i need the asp.net one,
[11:21] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, do you know what to do to fix it?
[11:21] <saif> Amaranth: been developing c# for 2 years now!
[11:21] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, I think your resolution might be too high by default or something
[11:21] <Amaranth> oh
[11:22] <Bumjubeo> Not really :) But I figured google could help me out instead of bothering you guys some more :)
[11:22] <Amaranth> saif: Then just get Mono: A Developer
[11:22] <Amaranth> err, that one :P
[11:22] <saif> Amaranth: thanx for the advice though, will get the mono one!
[11:22] <eim> grub-install has just destroied the boot-sector of an NTFS partition. Any ideas on how to recover it? Thanks.
[11:22] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, I'll help you out
[11:22] <Bumjubeo> okay, sweet deal then :)
[11:22] <martin_> cool Pozac, it works :)
[11:23] <Amaranth> saif: If you want to talk to the author I believe he is edd on irc.gnome.org. He would be in #mono.
[11:23] <martin_> why does it take so much time to load though?
[11:23] <ogra> martin_: dont forget ygout the package on upgrade ;)
[11:23] <ogra> about
[11:23] <saif> really?!?!
[11:23] <Amaranth> eim: Don't, use grub to boot windows.
[11:24] <Amaranth> saif: Yeah.
[11:24] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, just open the file in your editor (nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config), find the section with the resolutions and remove the highest one on all lines
[11:24] <saif> nice nice! good to know that, i don't think i wanna bother him with stuff that i can read in books! if i run into walls or problems i'kk go there! :)
[11:24] <Pozac> unless it's the resolution you intend to use and know the monitor can do, ofcourse :)
[11:24] <Amaranth> saif: Just ask him if his book has what you need. :)
[11:24] <Pozac> martin_, np :)
[11:24] <Pozac> martin_, Does it take a long time to load?
[11:25] <Pozac> More than a couple of seconds?
[11:25] <ogra> Pozac: please dont forget to tell the people that ubuntu-desktop is very important on a stable to stable upgrade
[11:25] <saif> Amaranth: thanx a milion! i'll go there then! c ya!
[11:25] <Amaranth> saif: See you there. :)
[11:25] <saif> exit
[11:26] <saif> :)
[11:26] <ogra> Pozac: there will be important things missing if they upgrade and the package is not there
[11:26] <Pozac> martin_, the ubuntu-desktop package is very important when you upgrade to hoary in april
[11:26] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:26] <ogra> Pozac: thanks ;)
[11:26] <Pozac> ogra, ok..
[11:27] <Pozac> ogra, now, not to nag, but can't both totem's just provide a totem like portage?
[11:27] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, is that edd dumbill, you talking about?
[11:27] <Pozac> ogra, so it won't be removed when totem-xine is installed?
[11:27] <Amaranth> linux_mafia: Yeah.
[11:27] <Pozac> ogra, that is, you must admit, kinda lame...
[11:28] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, sweet, he seems like a pretty damn smart guy from what ive read
[11:28] <ogra> Pozac: nope, its a policy you have to make if you want to give professional support
[11:28] <guru> hi m8s
[11:28] <guru> does anybody know sth. about the root user?
[11:28] <the--dud> i just made a new ubuntu cd image mirror in texas usa *_*
[11:28] <ogra> Pozac: i.e. no ubuntu-desktop..... unsupported software (universe SW)
[11:28] <guru> I am new to ubuntu
[11:29] <guru> So I did not find the root user
[11:29] <scizzo> guru: did you read the thing before you created the account?
[11:29] <gilligan_> hm.noone else experiencing troubles with sound in hoary ?
[11:29] <Pozac> ogra, but im amateur.. and will gladly support as much of universe as I can
[11:29] <ogra> guru: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:29] <scizzo> guru: I mean the normal user account?
[11:29] <stvn> guru: sudo is your friend
[11:29] <scizzo> guru: ubuntu is using sudo
[11:29] <Bumjubeo> pozac: Did I need to be root to edit XF86Config?
[11:29] <naibed> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com refuses connection :S
[11:29] <ogra> Pozac: thats fine....but canonical probably once wants to live from its supported part ;)
[11:30] <guru> not really all the other distributions I tried had ther sth like normal user
[11:30] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, yes.. sudo nano sorry :(
[11:30] <Bumjubeo> ahh np :)
[11:30] <crimsun> gilligan_: nope. Sound's fine here.
[11:30] <ogra> guru: please read the wiki
[11:30] <ogra> naibed: so probably someone is working on it.....
[11:31] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not sure what my helping out supporting what I use and know about has anything to with how canonical wants to live?
[11:31] <naibed> ogra, shit! XD
[11:31] <guru> ok thx m8s
[11:31] <gilligan_> crimsun: hm.wonder what the hell happened.. it worked just fine before i did the apt-get upgrade..  whatever player I try, it doesnt complain.. but i get only silence..
[11:31] <stvn> Pozac: shh, there are a lot of canonical ppl here, they want to get paid ;)
[11:31] <ogra> Pozac: canonical made ubuntu possible..... who do you think pays for this all ?
[11:31] <Pozac> ogra, However, any advice and comments on my behaviour is gladly appreciated, don't get me wrong
[11:31] <naibed> Bad Gateway: the proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[11:31] <crimsun> gilligan_: well, what player are you using?
[11:31] <DaNewB> NewComer, after editing XF86Config, what do I do?
[11:32] <Pozac> ogra, I know I know
[11:32] <crimsun> AndyR: please no spam, thanks :)
[11:32] <gilligan_> crimsun: doesnt matter.same for whatever i try
[11:32] <Pozac> ogra, Does this mean I cannot help you support these poor noobs?
[11:32] <crimsun> Pozac: we're all "noobs"
[11:32] <scizzo> Pozac: please...stop using the work "noobs"
[11:32] <crimsun> gilligan_: what sound hardware?
[11:32] <Pozac> crimsun, I too..
[11:32] <ogra> Pozac: so let them make the policy they need for pro support and enjoy the benefit you get from the freeness of their distro ;)
[11:32] <ironwolf> what happened to apt in hoary?  I keep getting "unknown error executing gpgv" when I do an apt-get update  Anyone have an idea how to rectify this?
[11:32] <scizzo> everyone is in a learnin stage...
[11:33] <Pozac> scizzo, sorry
[11:33] <AndyR> crimsun, hardly spam, but i wont do it again
[11:33] <crimsun> AndyR: much appreciated.
[11:33] <gilligan_> crimsun: powerbook.. onboard sound.. worked fine before..
[11:33] <AMIGrAve> what's the difference between package nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server ?
[11:33] <bassinboy> Chibifs
[11:33] <ogra> Pozac: universe is not supported by canonical....and will never be i guess, so they need you for this....
[11:33] <Pozac> yes
[11:34] <Pozac> And certainly, I will make sure the .. people.. know the true implications of their actions
[11:35] <Pozac> And remind them how they must use their package manager to break their video players before they upgrade. :)
[11:35] <ogra> heh
[11:35] <occy> crimsun: thanks for asking :)
[11:35] <Pozac> sadly
[11:35] <ogra> Pozac: you must not......but it will cause much more support not telling them.....
[11:36] <crimsun> occy: np, I remember my own marathon training. :)
[11:36] <occy> crimsun: yeah?
[11:37] <occy> crimsun: how come you don't hang out in #fitgeek?
[11:37] <ogra> Pozac: ubuntu/canonical/gnome simply decided to support gstreamer (which is totem) and only one videoplayer will be in the supported stuff
[11:37] <occy> :)
[11:37] <crimsun> occy: didn't know of it til just now :)
[11:37] <occy> hehe
[11:37] <occy> check out fitgeek.org too
[11:37] <Pozac> ogra, Yeh, but ubuntu-desktop is not only supported, it's also required
[11:37] <crimsun> cool, thanks :)
[11:38] <Pozac> ogra, don't you think the package manager should take care of that?
[11:38] <ogra> Pozac: only on upgrade
[11:38] <Pozac> yeh
[11:38] <Pozac> only when needed
[11:38] <Pozac> like I don't need ubuntu when my computer is off
[11:38] <ogra> Pozac: but you would read upgrade notes bfore you upgrade ?
[11:39] <Pozac> ogra, Maybe
[11:39] <ogra> they will mention this ....
[11:40] <Pozac> well
[11:40] <Pozac> how does it create more support then?
[11:40] <the--dud> rosetta keeps giving me errors when i try to change add some translations >_<
[11:40] <Pozac> :)
[11:40] <ogra> the ppl that dont read upgrade notes ;)
[11:41] <BuckyG> Anyone got ideas on how to get an Zip250 Atapi seen in Warty?
[11:41] <calc> load ide-floppy
[11:42] <BuckyG> I'm a Wintel newbie.  How do you load ide-floppy?
[11:42] <gpled> are their any apps for ubuntu, that would let someone read their hotmail accounts?  want to use t-bird, but hotmail uses http-mail, instead of pop3.
[11:42] <Pozac> BuckyG, add it to /etc/modules
[11:42] <the--dud> " A system error occurred." so damn informative as well
[11:43] <Pozac> BuckyG, or 'modprobe ide-floppy' if you need it now
[11:44] <ogra> the--dud: they just reboot it.....
[11:44] <Bumjubeo> Pozac: well ive changed the resolutions all the way down to 800x600 which I know this monitor will support, could it be because of thsi error - PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 000 0:00:07.1 ?
[11:45] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, Gee, I'm not sure - could be, though..
[11:47] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, Here's a suggestion.. boot the livecd, copy the XF86Config to your disc
[11:47] <Bumjubeo> k, makes sense.
[11:48] <the--dud> ogra, okay, lets hope it starts working soon then...
[11:48] <mh_le> How "new" are the packages in ubuntu? same as debian?
[11:48] <xskoulax> newer
[11:48] <xskoulax> i think
[11:48] <Pozac> eh
[11:48] <Pozac> hoary tracks sid?
[11:48] <Pozac> or how is it?
[11:48] <ogra> Pozac: yep unilt the codefreeze
[11:49] <ogra> Pozac: then the testing starts.....
[11:49] <mh_le> xskoulax: how does it deal with self compiled programs?
[11:49] <ogra> Pozac: then it gets released
[11:49] <Pozac> ogra, that's going to be sweet.
[11:50] <BuckyG> Thanks, Pozac.  It's working now...
[11:50] <ogra> Pozac: a stable debian every 6 months *g*
[11:50] <Pozac> mh_le, or do you mean stable?
[11:50] <Pozac> BuckyG, np
[11:50] <mh_le> Pozac: yeah, I guess
[11:51] <D0wnXcaST> anyone could tell me exactly what a shell account?
[11:51] <D0wnXcaST> sorry ig this is newbi, I AM :)
[11:51] <ogra> mh_le: the stable packages are from august i think
[11:51] <ogra> mh_le: the majority.....some came in later
[11:52] <mh_le> I see
[11:52] <ogra> mh_le: but the newest are from october
[11:52] <mh_le> cool
[11:52] <ogra> mh_le: (not regarding the sceurity updates though)
[11:52] <Pozac> D0wnXcaST, a shell is the command line interface to the computer. An account is like what the banks use, so they can charge money for it.
[11:52] <punkrockguy318> and all the importannt updates you can get from warty-backports anyway
[11:53] <Pozac> D0wnXcaST, an account usually means you get a username
[11:53] <D0wnXcaST> whats the link between account and shell?
[11:53] <ogra> punkrockguy318: i doubt the importance
[11:53] <andy> hi, i'm having issues installing software onto the system.  I'm new at linux, so basic descriptions would be great.  Thanks! :)
[11:53] <D0wnXcaST> when i go in my console on ubuntu, is it a shell?
[11:53] <ogra> andy http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:53] <punkrockguy318> ogra, they're pretty nifty update... xchat, firefox, gaim...
[11:53] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: yep
[11:54] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[11:54] <ogra> punkrockguy318: you said important first ;)
[11:54] <Pozac> D0wnXcaST, and you are using your own user-account.
[11:54] <ogra> punkrockguy318: they are probably nice or beautiful......but i doubt the importance
[11:54] <xskoulax> mh_le, binary i think
[11:54] <D0wnXcaST> ok !
[11:55] <mh_le> xskoulax: no source?
[11:55] <xskoulax> you can get source
[11:55] <xskoulax> and compile that if you wish
[11:55] <mh_le> goodie
[11:55] <etorix> hmm .. no rcconf .. no ksysv ..
[11:56] <ogra> etorix: rather gsysv if it yould exist *g*
[11:56] <ogra> would
[11:56] <etorix> what services-controller is
[11:56] <ogra> etorix: rm
[11:56] <etorix> on here?
[11:57] <ogra> etorix: remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[11:57] <ogra> etorix: or do sudo /etc/init.d/servicename start/stop/reload
[11:59] <ogra> etorix: the gnome-system-tools part for runlevel control was buggy when warty got released... for hoary there will be a new tool
[11:59] <Pozac> ogra, will the init system change?