[01:03] <raevol> is facebook getting DDoSed or do the computer gods just hate me today
[01:04] <pleia2> I'm not having problems, but comments I've seen elsewhere on the internets do seem to indicate they're having some trouble
[01:05] <raevol> whew. that makes me feel better
[01:05] <raevol> i spent all day at work trying to get my NIC on my work computer to function
[01:05] <raevol> no success
[01:12] <raevol> facebook is lagging so hard I can't close facebook tabs...
[01:20] <MarkDude> philipballew, I tagged you in a pic on FB nfrom UDS
[01:20] <MarkDude> the official pics
[01:22]  * pleia2 tagged jyo
[01:22] <pleia2> lookin bored!
[01:23] <MarkDude> Yep a few more pics in tehre to be tagged
[01:29] <raevol> facebook completely inaccessible now
[01:31] <philipballew> wheres the photo officially located?
[01:31] <pleia2> philipballew: http://www.pixoulphotography.com/
[01:32]  * MarkDude would have been shocked if there was a pic of me in group photo- and blue shirt was visible
[01:32] <pleia2> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Quantal-Quetzal/23155798_KrM3PW has the gallery
[01:34] <akk> Wow, finding anyone in the group pic is not easy!
[01:39] <MarkDude> There are fb pics
[01:39] <MarkDude> The pics cant be tagged, until approved
[01:39] <DonkeyHotei> people all over irc are complaining that fb is down
[01:39] <philipballew> I am next to jono
[01:39] <philipballew> up for me DonkeyHotei
[01:40] <DonkeyHotei> i am prone to hyperbole
[01:40] <akk> I think I found pleia2, haven't found myself yet and I even know where I was standing.
[01:41] <pleia2> I'm in the back left
[01:41] <DonkeyHotei> by "people all over irc" i mean one person in this channel and one other person in a completely unrelated channel (in the boston area)
[01:41] <pleia2> not easy to see really
[01:41] <akk> Ah, yes, there's philipballew -- he and pleia2 both have hands in front of their faces (in the pic I'm looking at).
[01:42] <philipballew> jono's are iirc
[01:42]  * akk tries one without hands
[01:43] <philipballew> those are better imo
[02:36] <gua> hah wow, dustin kirkland was right behind me
[02:47] <philipballew_> sounds scary
[02:48] <gua> philipballew_: speaking of stalking, i think i spy a certain someone in this photo: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Quantal-Quetzal/23155798_KrM3PW#!i=1865964211&k=tW922WT&lb=1&s=A
[02:49] <gua> can't hide anywhere, not at uds
[02:52] <philipballew_> gua, I bet its fun to be a uds photographer
[03:16]  * MarkDude thinks the few pics he took there were fun to take. Being a pro would make it more fun, IMHO
[03:18] <akk> I love how facebook says "Mark has tagged two photos of you" and includes a link to the first one, and no way to find the second one.
[03:18] <akk> Such a great UI, can't imagine why the stock isn't soaring.
[03:18] <pleia2> lol
[03:19] <pleia2> I never could grok facebook, I mostly stay away from it for fear I'll click on something and spam all my friends
[03:19] <akk> heh, yeah
[03:20] <akk> I like being able to connect with non-techies I'd never hear from otherwise
[03:20] <akk> but I wish all those people would go to a site that actually works, instead :)
[03:20] <pleia2> yeah, I use it for my family mostly
[03:22] <MarkDude> Yep
[03:22] <MarkDude> Its great for tech outliers
[03:23] <MarkDude> to sorta get them involved. The other day FB locked me out of an event I created- WHILE it was happening
[03:23] <akk> It kills me how non-techies gravitate toward these things like facebook and forums that I can't figure out how to use. How do they manage to use them?
[03:23] <MarkDude> I could not add any updates or comment to TELL folks where to meet at Carnaval
[03:23] <akk> lovely!
[03:24]  * MarkDude just wishes he had some granular control, dont tell me what I want to see, let me create some filters
[03:24] <MarkDude> First would be *ville
[03:24] <MarkDude> Eff all of that
[03:25] <MarkDude> Sry for swearing, I had to spend a few days blocking apps, just so I could make my feed readable
[03:25] <akk> Agreed, email me everything (or offer an RSS feed or whatever) and let me filter.
[03:26] <akk> Showing me some randomly chosen selection of stuff in a random order, mixing in some old stuff I've already seen, just makes me decide it's not worth the effort.
[03:30] <akk> MarkDude, you were talking earlier about mjg's post about what fedora is doing re secure boot -- has Ubuntu decided what they're doing yet?
[03:32] <MarkDude> Im not sure, RH paying MS money is a bit odd-
[03:32]  * MarkDude is going to have to read up on it. I expect some more questions on this at events
[03:33] <akk> Yeah, infuriating (I'm infuriated at MS, not RH).
[03:33] <MarkDude> Yep, bad precedent
[03:34] <MarkDude> RH is really defensive, most choices they make are about avoiding lawsuits
[03:35] <MarkDude> As long as it avoids being sued, its generally ok :D
[03:35]  * MarkDude 's opinions are his own, not that of any projects he is involved with
[03:35] <akk> I don't have a problem with RH doing what they need to do -- I'm not sure there is any good solution for distro vendors.
[03:36] <MarkDude> I agree
[03:36] <akk> mjg does a good job of outlining the problem and why they chose this solution.
[03:36] <akk> (as usual -- he's always very reasonable)
[03:36] <MarkDude> Fedora will have money to cover the costs, as will RH
[03:37] <MarkDude> The idea of all the other Distros not being able to do so- bugs me on a deep level
[03:37] <akk> Yep.
[03:38] <akk> At least it sounds like people who are clueful will be able to change the BIOS to turn off signing.
[03:38] <akk> So users of Gentoo, Arch, Debian etc. (the techie distros) should be fine.
[03:38]  * scientes is bugged by UEFI in general
[03:38] <akk> And Puppy is okay for a while, it's not for new hardware anyway.
[03:39] <scientes> akk, umm no gentoo cannot possibly participate
[03:39] <MarkDude> Intel is making efforts with CoreBoot
[03:39] <scientes> cause this requires central signing off all kernel and bootloader code
[03:39] <scientes> MarkDude, errrrrr, they have attacked coreboot in the past
[03:39] <akk> scientes: Anyone who's knowledgeable enough to install gentoo is techie enough to get into BIOS menus and turn off the signing.
[03:39] <scientes> amd has been doing MUCH better than intel on coreboot
[03:39] <MarkDude> Wont that make some of this moot? At least for the hardware they are making open?
[03:40] <scientes> the big companies developing coreboot are AMD and Google
[03:40] <scientes> (they want to use it for the chromebook)
[03:40] <MarkDude> Well all of this crap may be sorted in court
[03:40] <MarkDude> in a few years

[03:40] <scientes> cause its not just about getting signing
[03:41] <scientes> will fedora have two differn't kernels?
[03:41] <scientes> in order to set these complicated policies?
[03:41] <DonkeyHotei> google beat oracle
[03:41] <MarkDude> YAY for Oracle beatdowns
[03:41] <akk> The chromebook boot is even weirder than UEFI, as far as booting other OSes.
[03:41] <scientes> or will it require selinux on the UEFI secureboot kernel in order to force this? with embedded rules inside the kernel?
[03:42] <scientes> akk, indeed, but they have been pushing coreboot so that FOSS can do what it wants regarding boot
[03:42] <akk> And more restrictive -- they have the same signing requirement but you can't turn it off.
[03:43] <MarkDude> Hmmmm
[03:43] <scientes> akk, there is documented root for chrome books
[03:43] <scientes> its just that you get a REALLY ugly boot screen, that cant be turned off, when in root mode
[03:43] <akk> scientes: You can install another distro that uses their signed kernel. You can't install a distro that needs a different kernel, or build your own kernel.
[03:43] <MarkDude> History tells me that akk is right, altho this will soon start to get over my head
[03:44] <akk> I'm actually quoting from d -- he has chromebooks (dual-boot but with google's signed kernel), I don't.
[03:44] <DonkeyHotei> signed coreboot? whiskey tango foxtrot
[03:44] <scientes> akk, also they are changing the kernel, cause the kernel allow alot of stuff via user-space (root user) that gives direct access to hardware, like user-mode-setting with X
[03:45] <scientes> akk, oh well then you might be right
[03:45]  * scientes does not like chromeos at all
[03:46] <scientes> but i the same time im not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater---Google's work on coreboot is awesome
[03:46] <scientes> AFAIK
[03:46] <scientes> DonkeyHotei, i don't think the coreboot is signed, just everything after it
[03:46] <akk> d says: in theory, you could build your own kenrel (for a chromebook) and sign it ... but in practice, nobody's actually managed it.
[03:47] <akk> (mostly because not many have bothered to try)
[03:47] <scientes> its like most of googles code: http://food.sndimg.com/img/recipes/22/78/2/large/picrIZyXg.jpg
[03:55] <philipballew_> our own epicvision has run into problems getting people to like ubuntu http://epikvision.blogspot.com/2012/05/quell-flames-shift-gears-educate-b4.html
[03:56] <DonkeyHotei> scientes: if the coreboot doesn't need anything signed, then signing doesn't matter
[03:56] <scientes> DonkeyHotei, im just saying that i think coreboot is first, and whatever is first doesn't have anything to watch the watcher
[03:58] <DonkeyHotei> exactly
[05:15] <gua> i don't see why microsoft needs to be involved in the signing, just have verisign do it
[05:18] <scientes> gua, they don't have the mozilla root certs installed
[05:18] <scientes> its not about WHO you are talking to, its about not permitting anything that can lead to arbitrary code execution
[05:18] <scientes> in kernel mode
[05:18] <scientes> but thats not really what it is about
[05:19] <gua> lots of people have a general distrust of MS though. tons of articles around about 'distros having to pay MS'
[05:19] <scientes> its really about enabling state malware to be installed
[05:19] <gua> beholden to MS isn't something people are aching to be exactly
[05:19] <scientes> gua, well, the pci signing is limited to only one signature, so you are going to have microsoft's key installed to boot a computer with UEFI secure boot
[05:19] <gua> scientes: yeah, being able to have multiple signatures would be one of the first things to change
[05:20] <gua> in UEFI 2.0
[05:20] <scientes> gua, no, no UEFI+1
[05:20] <gua> although i wonder how much last-minute changes can go in
[05:20] <scientes> just coreboot
[05:20] <gua> eh
[05:20] <scientes> UEFI needs to die
[05:20] <scientes> gua,  and you have no ideahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U
[05:20] <gua> are mfrs going to go with coreboot?
[05:20] <scientes> the signing format is so much a siemese twim to windows, that the signing format has "WIN" in the binary
[05:21] <scientes> its just moving the windows code signing system into a place where it can subvert linux and freedom
[05:21] <gua> scientes: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
[05:21] <scientes> ...even more
[05:21] <scientes> gua, yes i read
[05:21] <gua> is what i'm referring to
[05:21] <scientes> that talk i linked to is the same person who writes that blog
[05:22] <gua> yeah, i think i've watched that talk
[06:40] <gua> is mark shuttleworth in the group picture? i can't seem to find him
[06:50] <philipballew_> I did not see him
[19:04]  * MarkDude got a mention for Partimus http://www.itworld.com/node/279368
[19:04] <MarkDude> Altho , maybe not what they were hoping for
[19:12] <pleia2> MarkDude: I wish you wouldn't drag us into this :(
[19:15] <MarkDude> I did not
[19:15] <MarkDude> B Proffit listed Partimus as a Linux Distro
[19:16]  * MarkDude has also made very clear- opinions are his own
[19:23] <akk> "free Expo passes (a coveted OSCON perk)"? For some reason I thought expo passes were free (I know passes to talks very much aren't).
[19:24] <akk> It's too bad -- the dotcom area is always by far the most interesting of the OSCON expo hall.
[19:28] <bkerensa> akk: Expo Passes used to be free they started charging for them this year
[19:28] <bkerensa> akk: you mean the dot org? :P
[19:31] <akk> oops, yeah, dot org, duh
[19:42] <pleia2> I am hoping this makes it more interesting, no fedora and ubuntu booths means there are two booths which may be used by dotorgs you've never heard of and may be interesting :)
[19:42] <pleia2> there is limited space, I think the big distros can do a favor to little guys by stepping aside from time to time
[19:42] <MarkDude> Rumor has it both tables will be there for the Distros
[19:42] <bkerensa> lol
[19:43] <bkerensa> MarkDude: where do you come up with this? :P
[19:43] <MarkDude> Possibly involving the 2 sharing a booth
[19:43] <bkerensa> Im sure things would have been fine either way :)
[19:43] <MarkDude> Cue the odd Couple them song
[19:43] <MarkDude> theme
[19:43] <pleia2> it's not that odd, I really don't see this division between the ubuntu and fedora communities that you always go on about
[19:44] <pleia2> I work with plenty of fedora folks
[19:44] <MarkDude> <sarcasm font> implied
[19:44] <bkerensa> yeah and I let you take a photo with me :P
[19:44] <bkerensa> :D
[19:44]  * MarkDude made that suggestion
[19:44] <MarkDude> We are all on the same Penguin Team
[19:44]  * bkerensa has a Redhat notebook somewhere
[19:45] <bkerensa> anyways moving on
[19:45] <bkerensa> How is the weather in California?
[19:45] <MarkDude> pleia2, thats not fair- I was waering the Friends sticker at UDS for a real reason
[19:45] <MarkDude> Perfect bkerensa thats why we pay so much to live here
[19:45] <bkerensa> heh
[19:46] <MarkDude> Thats cool - you pay a fair amount to support the bike freaks
[19:46] <bkerensa> its 73 and overcast here :D
[19:46] <MarkDude> Yay- freak bikes
[19:46] <bkerensa> MarkDude: We have more bicyclists and runners than any other city ;)
[19:46] <pleia2> MarkDude: I'm sorry if you feel that way, but jokes don't come across well in IRC and I work very hard to break down barriers between communities, you do often make comments about Fedora vs Ubuntu which feels like it undermines that
[19:47] <bkerensa> And thats my cue to go run errands
[19:47] <pleia2> bkerensa: they are cleaning the windows in my building today, have to keep windows closed during this nice weather! stuffy in here :)
[19:47] <bkerensa> :D
[19:47]  * MarkDude 's Linux is a cult - directly addresses that
[19:47] <bkerensa> I really do have to go run errands :P seeya guys enjoy the sun
[19:47] <pleia2> see you
[19:47] <MarkDude> The enemy is Apple
[19:47] <pleia2> why do we need an enemy? :)
[19:47] <MarkDude> If there is an enemy that is
[19:47] <MarkDude> :D
[19:48] <pleia2> I thought you california people were all peace-loving!
[19:48] <MarkDude> Mostly
[19:48] <pleia2> hehe
[19:48] <akk> ha, you should see bay area people fight for parking spaces
[19:49] <MarkDude> For what its worth- Im still known as the Ubuntu Guy- in Fedora by many. I am given a hard time for liking Ubuntu so much
[19:49] <pleia2> at least they don't shoot each other over them (there are some things I don't miss about Philly :))
[19:49] <MarkDude> the jokes are the same
[19:49] <MarkDude> Taking me too serious is not advised, sarcasm font is implied unless other wise stated
[19:49] <pleia2> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Neighbors-Shoot-Each-Other-Over-Parking-Spot-125402973.html
[19:49] <pleia2> ah fun
[19:49] <pleia2> MarkDude: fair enough
[19:50]  * MarkDude is Man Of La Mancha- chasing windwills and such
[19:50] <MarkDude> :D
[19:50]  * MarkDude wants to go to FOSScon, heard there are Masters degrees in profanity there
[19:50] <pleia2> (amusingly, the parking spot incident I was thinking about was a different one, in 2006 or so, nice to see things don't change)
[19:50] <akk> ouch
[19:51] <akk> And in truth, I don't see much fighting over parking spots here (but OTOH I'm not in SF or Berkeley).
[19:51] <pleia2> mostly here in SF I just see people driving without paying attention (so they cut people off, don't let people in, block intersections)
[19:52] <pleia2> but I think that's mostly tourists driving and being lost
[19:52]  * MarkDude has seen old ladies flip the bird over parking spots inSF
[19:53] <raevol> so
[19:53] <raevol> when you have pidgin open with the buddy list and conversation window
[19:53] <raevol> and you alt+tab to show desktop, so both windows get minimized
[19:53] <raevol> you can't get the buddy list to restore without completely closing the conversation window
[19:53] <raevol> :(
[19:54] <akk> We get plenty of that down here, people driving while texting or talking on phones so not paying attention.
[19:55] <pleia2> philly did a funny texting while walking april fools joke
[19:56] <pleia2> the mayor proposed a texting section of the sidewalk, they did a video, during which the mayor was speaking and someone texting kept wandering by oblivious and interrupting the segment :)
[19:59] <akk> haha
[20:00] <akk> I saw two people almost walk into each other in Portland, both fixated on gmaps or something on their phones. :)


[02:19]  * thumper tries to remember menno's git trick
[06:50] <dimitern> morning all
[06:51] <dimitern> any willing reviewers around?
[06:51] <dimitern> I need a review on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/167/ (req by hazmat) and this trivial one http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/168/
[06:53] <hazmat> g'morning
[07:34] <rogpeppe2> two trivial PRs: one to update depdendencies.tsv (https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/906), the other to fix a sporadic test failure i just saw (https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/907)
[07:34] <rogpeppe2> dimitern: ^
[07:36] <dimitern> rogpeppe2, looking in a moment
[07:36] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ta
[07:44] <dimitern> rogpeppe, both LGTM, second one with a question
[07:45] <dimitern> rogpeppe, can you review those two of mine I posted earlier? ^^
[07:45] <rogpeppe> dimitern: yes, that character is produced by Duration.String
[07:45] <rogpeppe> dimitern: that's why the test was failing
[07:45] <dimitern> rogpeppe, fancy :)
[07:46] <rogpeppe> dimitern: can i still merge with $$merge$$ or do i now have to go through vapour.ws ?
[07:48] <dimitern> rogpeppe, you can *only* merge the PR, RB is only for reviewing
[07:48] <rogpeppe> dimitern: ah, cool
[07:54] <dimitern> rogpeppe, so can you? :)
[07:55] <rogpeppe> dimitern: am doing. a bit of an unequal swap, if I may say so :)
[07:55] <dimitern> rogpeppe, well, at least the trivial one, not the FwNone one if you prefer
[07:56] <dimitern> hazmat, hey
[07:56] <dimitern> hazmat, have a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/167/ if you want - it's what your asked for I think
[07:57] <hazmat> dimitern, did we decide anything last week re going back to github?
[07:57] <hazmat> for reviews
[07:58] <dimitern> hazmat, no, in fact we decided to automate the RB workflow by creating RB reviews and closing them as PRs appear
[07:58] <dimitern> ..and get merged
[07:59] <hazmat> dimitern, cool, i'm still in meetings atm. i'll take a look though
[07:59] <dimitern> hazmat, cheers
[08:02] <rogpeppe> dimitern: reviewed the trivial one
[08:03] <dimitern> rogpeppe, tyvm
[08:17] <mattyw> morning all
[08:38] <TheMue> morning btw
[08:41] <voidspace> TheMue: morning
[08:41] <voidspace> restarting computer
[08:41] <voidspace> brb :-)
[08:48] <dimitern> morning TheMue, voidspace, mattyw
[08:48] <dimitern> :)
[08:48] <voidspace> dimitern: morning
[08:48] <mattyw> dimitern, morning
[09:33] <TheMue> voidspace: done any steps regarding the installation of MAAS on gremlin? there is a controller running, but I don't know user and/or pw
[09:35] <TheMue> voidspace: looks like a fresh installation, the boot images are not yet imported (according to a message shown when trying to log in)
[09:44] <voidspace> TheMue: not me - probably elmo :-)
[09:45] <voidspace> TheMue: I think elmo talked to jam about it
[09:45] <voidspace> TheMue: jam is not around at the moment it seems
[09:45] <voidspace> TheMue: I'm going to install locally on my machine
[09:45] <TheMue> voidspace: ok, I'll try to see if the superuser is created via cli
[09:45] <voidspace> TheMue: but into a kvm image (probably bridged)
[09:45] <voidspace> TheMue: cool
[09:46] <TheMue> voidspace: kvm inside parallels? or extra machine?
[09:48] <rogpeppe> dimitern: interesting, it appears that the utf-8 microsecond symbol has appeared after go 1.3 (in tip)
[09:48] <dimitern> rogpeppe, so it fails earlier
[09:49] <voidspace> TheMue: on my desktop - which is native ubuntu
[09:49] <dimitern> rogpeppe, how about adding "u" to the [charset] in the regex?
[09:49] <rogpeppe> dimitern: i'm about to do that
[09:49] <TheMue> voidspace: ok
[09:49] <voidspace> TheMue: with plenty cpu / ram / hard drive
[09:49] <voidspace> TheMue: unlike my laptop....
[09:49] <TheMue> voidspace: ah, you are the one who took the orange box with him
[09:50] <voidspace> haha, I wish
[09:50] <TheMue> yeah, nice toy
[10:27] <voidspace> TheMue: did you create a MaaS superuser on gremlin?
[10:28] <voidspace> TheMue: ah, I see you did
[10:28] <voidspace> or someone did
[10:32] <TheMue> voidspace: someone
[10:32] <TheMue> voidspace: not me
[10:33] <voidspace> TheMue: it's the same user(name) we had before
[10:33] <voidspace> TheMue: it was probably still elmo - I told him what username and password we used
[10:33] <TheMue> voidspace: interesting
[10:33] <TheMue> aaah
[10:33] <voidspace> he wasn't impressed with our high-security password :-)
[10:33] <TheMue> hehe
[10:33] <TheMue> absolutely
[10:34] <TheMue> that's a typical superuser problem, instead of heaving administrator groupd and adding individual users to it
[10:34] <voidspace> right
[10:34] <TheMue> when it's MY machine it's no problem, but when sharing it ...
[10:37] <voidspace> TheMue: interesting - I added a new VM (kvm instance) and it has automatically shown up in the MaaS cluster
[10:37] <voidspace> I need to add power details
[10:37] <voidspace> at least when I manually started it it came up
[10:37] <TheMue> voidspace: nice
[10:38] <voidspace> TheMue: what's the format for power address and power id?
[10:38] <voidspace> I can look it up
[10:38] <TheMue> voidspace: hmm, here it maybe enough to add the maa user to the libvirt group
[10:38] <voidspace> yep, needed anyway I think
[10:39] <TheMue> voidspace: http://www.teale.de/tealeg/computing/cloud/kvm_maas_juju_openstack.html#sec-5-4
[10:39] <voidspace> done
[10:41] <voidspace> TheMue: we still need to generate a key for the maas user I think
[10:41] <TheMue> voidspace: seems so
[10:41] <voidspace> hmmm... although it's running on the host
[10:41] <voidspace> but it will still use ssh+qemu I think
[10:41] <TheMue> voidspace: btw, did you start the boot image import? otherwise I'll do it now
[10:41] <voidspace> I didn't
[10:41] <TheMue> voidspace: ok, I start it
[10:41] <voidspace> I'm downloading a utopic iso image locally
[10:42] <voidspace> my internet connection is horrible :-/
[10:43] <TheMue> voidspace: hmm, and here I've got troubles with the boot images link, I get a "not found"
[10:44] <TheMue> voidspace: ah, the link misses the "MAAS" part of the URI, interesting
[10:59] <voidspace> TheMue:  sudo -u maas virsh -c qemu+ssh://maas-admin@localhost/system list --all
[11:05] <rogpeppe> two trivial PRs for review: https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/44 and https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/62
[11:08] <rogpeppe> anyone know what can cause an "Extant directories unknown" error in the 'bot ?
[11:08] <rogpeppe> http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/920/console
[11:08] <rogpeppe> ah, i know.
[11:09] <rogpeppe> well, perhaps.
[11:09]  * rogpeppe tries something.
[11:12] <luca> ?
[11:25] <voidspace> TheMue: can you see the node?
[11:26] <voidspace> TheMue: I see one node with the status Ready
[11:26] <voidspace> and I need coffee
[11:33] <TheMue> voidspace: strange, have the headline "0 nodes in gremlin MAAS" here in the UI
[11:38] <voidspace> TheMue: how odd
[11:41] <TheMue> voidspace: I'm logged in with our admin user
[11:59] <voidspace> TheMue: I'm logged in as maas-admin
[12:00] <voidspace> maas-test-controller - 1 node in this MAAS
[12:00] <voidspace> our node is called "useless-weight"
[12:01] <voidspace> which is a pretty cool name
[12:06] <TheMue> virsh list --all shows me maas-test-controller running and maas-test-1 shut off
[12:07] <voidspace> that's correct
[12:07] <voidspace> the node is not running
[12:07] <TheMue> but I don't see any "useless-weight"
[12:08] <TheMue> only 0 nodes :,(
[12:08] <voidspace> I've logged out and back in again and I still see it
[12:08] <voidspace> that's very odd
[12:08] <jcw4> rogpeppe: I figured out what was causing that Extant directories issue
[12:09] <voidspace> TheMue: now I am home my power supply works fine...
[12:09] <voidspace> which is good, but also odd
[12:12] <TheMue> voidspace: oh, one moment, do you logged into the maas controller on gremlin or inside the image maas-test-controller?
[12:13] <voidspace> TheMue: I am logged into the maas controller (web view) on gremlin
[12:14] <voidspace> My local url being http://localhost:8080/MAAS/
[12:14] <voidspace> and I'm running ssh forwarding
[12:14] <voidspace> ssh gremlin -L 8080:<IP_ADDRESS>:80
[12:15] <dimitern> voidspace, you could run a vpn connection to access gremlin's internal ip directly - that's what I use
[12:15] <TheMue> voidspace: ah, so we're using different controllers
[12:15] <voidspace> dimitern: this is easier
[12:15] <voidspace> TheMue: ah, yes
[12:15] <voidspace> maas-controller image is a different maas
[12:16] <voidspace> maas-test-controller
[12:16] <voidspace> heh, that's why
[12:16] <voidspace> TheMue: I'm using the MaaS that's installed *on gremlin*
[12:18] <TheMue> voidspace: me too
[12:19] <TheMue> voidspace: but then you don't need port forwarding, you can use gremlin/MAAS directly
[12:19] <voidspace> TheMue: if I use the VPN ?
[12:20] <voidspace> this works and is easy enough
[12:21] <TheMue> voidspace: the forwarding was only needed for a MAAS controller inside a KVM
[12:21] <TheMue> voidspace: I start the vpn and then can talk to port 80 on gremlin directly
[12:22] <voidspace> right, I'm not using a vpn
[12:22] <voidspace> so I need the port forwarding
[12:23] <TheMue> voidspace: yeah, but you're talking to .11 (that's the KVM I installed on Friday), not to .10 (which is gremlin itself running a controller too)
[12:23] <voidspace> oh really!
[12:23] <TheMue> :D
[12:23] <voidspace> hah
[12:23] <voidspace> so the kvm image appeared there automatically
[12:23] <voidspace> I didn't manually add the node
[12:23] <voidspace> how funny
[12:24] <voidspace> I just copied the port forwarding from my laptop
[12:24] <voidspace> I didn't check the ip address
[12:24] <TheMue> *lol*
[12:25] <TheMue> so I still would like to know which node you see if only one KVM instance is running, the controller itself *stunning*
[12:28] <voidspac_> TheMue: installing MaaS locally into a KVM image has seized the keyboard / mouse
[12:28] <voidspac_> TheMue: and the key combination it wants to release it doesn't appear to exist on my keyboard (I've remapped some of the keys...)
[12:29] <voidspac_> TheMue: so even when only the controller is running the cluster knows about the other node
[12:29] <voidspac_> TheMue: it shows it as in a Ready state
[12:31] <voidspac_> TheMue: I'm going on lunch
[12:31] <voidspac_> back in a bit
[12:33] <dimitern> waigani, hey, are you around for a review?
[12:37] <dimitern> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/167/
[12:37] <waigani> hey dimitern, sure just abut to head for lunch though
[12:38] <dimitern> waigani, sure, np - when you can, have a look please :)
[12:41] <rogpeppe> jcw4: oh yes?
[12:41] <jcw4> rogpeppe: it's a godeps issue I believe
[12:42] <rogpeppe> jcw4: entirely probable...
[12:42] <alexisb> jcw4, it is before 6am for you, thats dedication
[12:42] <jcw4> (coupled with a juju-release-tools weirdness)  lol
[12:42] <jcw4> alexisb: gotta maximise overlap
[12:43] <jcw4> and right back at you alexisb
[12:43] <jcw4> :)
[12:43] <jcw4> rogpeppe: godeps seems to follow second level imports at the HEAD revision of first level imports
[12:44] <jcw4> rogpeppe: before updating the first level imports to the dependencies.tsv revision
[12:44] <rogpeppe> jcw4: when updating, godeps doesn't follow imports at all AFAIR
[12:44] <alexisb> jcw4, I am in Brussels so it is normal time for me
[12:44] <jcw4> rogpeppe: yeah, I think it does
[12:44] <jcw4> alexisb: whew
[12:44] <jcw4> :)
[12:45] <jcw4> rogpeppe: it does a go get -d ....
[12:45] <jcw4> which seems to be a little recursive
[12:45] <rogpeppe> jcw4: go get -d shouldn't follow imports
[12:45] <jcw4> hmm
[12:45] <rogpeppe> jcw4: (that's the point of the -d flag)
[12:45] <jcw4> rogpeppe: when I was testing yesterday it seemed to
[12:46] <rogpeppe> jcw4: ah, you're right
[12:46] <rogpeppe> jcw4: i misread/misremembered what that flag did
[12:47] <jcw4> rogpeppe: of course then the juju-release-tools check that no *extra* packages are downloaded, it causes that Extand directories error
[12:47] <jcw4> Extant even
[12:47] <rogpeppe> hmm, i wonder what the best way is of just fetching a repo without its dependencies
[12:48] <jcw4> rogpeppe: I can't think of a way to work around this other than to relax the juju-release-tools check
[12:48] <mgz> rogpeppe, jcw4: I should probably email the list explaining,
[12:48] <mgz> but I think we can just fix
[12:49] <jcw4> mgz: I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the rest of that comment
[12:49] <mgz> the issue is go get pulls in tip of master and all dependencies of tip of master, which somewhat conflicts with the concept of having clear and well defined deps
[12:49] <jcw4> mgz: right
[12:50] <mgz> so, can either not use go get in godeps, or make the tarball creation delete extranious things go get went and got and trust the build to blow up if they did actually matter
[12:50] <rogpeppe> mgz: yeah. i think godeps should probably avoid using go getr
[12:50] <jcw4> well I'm guessing we're more likely to 'fix' godeps than go get
[12:50] <mgz> rogpeppe: I had a brief go at that last night, it's a little annoying
[12:51] <rogpeppe> mgz: yeah, there's a fair amount of logic in the go tool that would need duplication
[12:51] <mgz> but is possible to add a Clone() to VCS and do our own mapping of how to get launchpad.net/ github.com/ etc
[12:51] <rogpeppe> jcw4: well, go get is working as advertised, so it doesn't really need fixing
[12:52] <mgz> the dep collection is at least already there and could be resused
[12:52] <rogpeppe> jcw4: except i guess to add another flag to specify that deps should not be downloaded
[12:52] <mgz> yeah, that's sort of what we want
[12:52] <jcw4> rogpeppe: I wonder if we used tags instead of head revisions in the import url
[12:53] <mgz> jcw4: we still have the problem that go get always gets master
[12:53] <rogpeppe> jcw4: go get does what it does. no way to specify tags to go get
[12:53] <mgz> not tags
[12:53] <jcw4> rogpeppe, mgz I thought if the import path ended with .something go get looked for a something tag to check out
[12:53] <rogpeppe> jcw4: i don't think so
[12:54] <jcw4> hrm - I would expect go get would want to be more deterministic too
[12:55] <mgz> rogpeppe: I think, as a fix for now, I'm going to delete unknown dirs, and trust that things will break
[12:55] <rogpeppe> mgz: i'm not sure that's quite in the spirit of that check
[12:55] <rogpeppe> mgz: isn't the point of that check to make sure that we include godeps info for all our deps?
[12:55] <mgz> yes
[12:56] <rogpeppe> mgz: ah, i see
[12:56] <rogpeppe> mgz: sgtm
[12:56] <rogpeppe> mgz: if we're really dependent on it, then it should break
[12:56] <jcw4> +1
[13:03] <mgz> ick... the script is so nice and safe at present
[13:03] <mgz> making in rmtree stuff is a little scary
[13:03] <jcw4> mgz: lol
[13:04] <jcw4> mgz, rogpeppe would using gopkg.in-like urls for dependencies avoid this issue?
[13:04] <rogpeppe> jcw4: no
[13:04] <mgz> nah
[13:04] <jcw4> :(
[13:12] <rogpeppe> mgz: please let me know when i can try to re-land that branch...
[13:12] <mgz> rogpeppe: will do
[13:20] <mgz> rogpeppe: done change, writing some tests before proposing/landing
[15:35] <rogpeppe> mgz: did you manage to get those changes in?
[16:14] <marcoceppi_> what's the configuration option to disable apt-get upgrade on add machine and is it in 1.20 ?
[16:17] <jrwren> marcoceppi_: enable-os-upgrade: false    i'm pretty sure its not in 1.20.
[16:17]  * marcoceppi_ raises fists to the sky, falls to his knees, and yells NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[16:18] <jrwren> marcoceppi_: There is master. It can be your friend.
[16:18] <marcoceppi_> sure, run a demo using tip of tip, what could go wrong
[16:19] <mbruzek> marcoceppi_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1350493
[16:19] <mup> Bug #1350493: 1.20.x local provider not running apt-get update <charms> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350493>
[19:41] <thumper> morning folks
[19:41] <jcw4> hi thumper
[19:42] <jcw4> waigani: I have a question about state localID and docID
[19:42] <waigani> jcw4: go for it
[19:42] <jcw4> :)
[19:42] <thumper> waigani: still working?
[19:42]  * thumper looks around for fwereade
[19:42] <jcw4> does it make sense to do a prefix check on docID like there is in localID?
[19:43] <waigani> thumper: i need to talk to you about the watcher and localID/docID
[19:43] <jcw4> I'd like to be able to safely pass an environment prefixed id to docID
[19:44] <waigani> oh right
[19:44] <jcw4> I could just do docID(localID(id))
[19:44] <jcw4> but ...
[19:44] <waigani> no, ugly
[19:44] <jcw4> yep
[19:45] <waigani> why do you need to docID() if it already has the prefix?
[19:45] <waigani> i'm guessing because you are not sure if it has it or not
[19:45] <jcw4> waigani: I have a method that might be called with either
[19:45] <jcw4> yep
[19:45] <waigani> i would argue that the code would be easier to read if you did the check in that method
[19:46] <jcw4> waigani: okay, that's plausible
[19:46] <thumper> waigani: did you want a hangout?
[19:46] <jcw4> tx waigani
[19:46] <waigani> that way, it is clear that the method handles an ambiguous id
[19:46] <jcw4> good point
[19:47] <waigani> which, i for one, would be glad to spot when reading your method
[19:47] <jcw4> interesting
[19:47] <jcw4> so... if the method today does docID(id)
[19:47] <waigani> then I'd assume that id is a localID
[19:47] <waigani> no further checking needed
[19:48] <jcw4> okay.  Thanks again
[19:48] <waigani> i.e. do the prefix check in your method
[19:48] <waigani> thumper: okay
[19:48] <jcw4> yeah
[19:48] <waigani> thumper: hangout channel?
[19:49] <thumper> waigani: you mean standup hangout?
[19:49] <waigani> lol - yeah, sigh
[19:49] <waigani> it's late
[20:58] <thumper> cmars: hey, you around?


[04:52] <luc37> will Mir be available on *BSDs? ;)
[05:07] <duflu> luc37: I think that will be a direct function of Mir's success on Linux first. But there's no reason why not... eventually :)
[05:10] <luc37> haha! I think Mir sounds too wonderful to be real
[05:11] <luc37> or everyone hates the x server, i guess ;)
[05:24] <luc37> duflu: well, if it's a simpler solution than wayland, let's hope the best for Mir
[07:10] <tvoss> Good morning :)
[07:12] <llstarks> why go mir instead of iss or opsek?
[07:12] <llstarks> canonical is living the past
[07:13] <llstarks> lololololololol according to slashdot et all
[07:13] <llstarks> *al
[07:43] <zAo^2_> Which license is used for Mir?
[07:44] <RAOF> GPL3 for the core; LGPL3 for the client libraries.
[07:52] <zAo^2_> Thanks RAOF
[08:10] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:10] <AlanBell> why doesn't libgl1-mesa-dri in the ppa contain libgallium.so.0?
[08:15] <tvoss> RAOF, can you help AlanBell?
[08:15] <tjaalton> likely because it's based on an older packaging
[08:15] <tjaalton> we have 9.1 on a staging ppa with the shared libgallium build sorted out, iirc
[08:20] <tjaalton> yup
[08:22] <tjaalton> that's canonical-x/x-staging ;)
[08:22] <tjaalton> without the mir bits
[08:31] <zAo^2_> Can someone explain to me how Canonical make the schedule for Mir?
[08:33] <tvoss> zAo^2_, happy to explain. What are you interested in especially?
[08:34] <zAo^2_> tvoss: well, how can such a small team complete such a huge project within a year?
[08:36] <tvoss> zAo^2_, first, the team is small in terms of numbers right now. That might change in the future. Second, number of developers is not always a good measure for efficiency
[08:37] <zAo^2_> tvoss: True, but still; it's a major task don't you think?
[08:38] <tvoss> zAo^2_, sure, I do fully agree, but we are confident about our timelines
[08:40] <zAo^2_> tvoss: I really hope you make it. X needs to be put to rest. When can we expect the first alpha that can run (any sort of) desktop apps?
[08:44] <tvoss> zAo^2_, thank you :) in between May 2013 and October 2013, we are focusing on the Ubuntu touch use-case right now, aiming for full convergence by April 2014
[09:03] <AlanBell> tjaalton: ok, so it doesn't work without that it seems
[09:09] <AlanBell> hmm, I had it complaining about the lack of libgallium.so.0 earlier, now it just segfaults
[09:53] <Cheery> I read about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec today.
[09:53] <Cheery> and this might interest anyone working with Mir: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/529486/general-graphics-programming/direct-rendering-access-on-linux/
[09:58] <Cheery> I don't know.. but it feels to me that nvidia pretty much ignores anything that's related to opening a display context through any other way than glx.
[09:59] <Cheery> I just wonder how you're going to do it.
[10:00] <RAOF> Via the magic of EGL :)
[10:01] <RAOF> More seriously, as mentioned on the MirSpec page, we're in discussion with nvidia.
[10:07] <Cheery> if you're smart, I guess you'll try to come up with an API that would work also for wayland and whatever anyone else is doing.
[10:08] <Cheery> anyway I'd hope I'll get some announcement once you get results.
[10:10] <RAOF> If all goes well, yeah.
[10:11] <AlanBell> anyone got it working on Raring?
[10:12] <RAOF> I'm using it right now; xmir-on-mir-on-ati.
[10:12] <AlanBell> ok, the client just segfaults for me
[10:13] <RAOF> But I'm not sure if I'm using the same stuff as has landed in the public PPA :)
[10:13] <AlanBell> I am using mir from trunk
[10:13] <zyga> alf_: hey :)
[10:13] <alf_> zyga: Hi!
[10:13] <AlanBell> mesa from https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/staging/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring
[10:14] <zyga> alf_: good work, to all of the team :)
[10:14] <alf_> zyga: thanks
[10:18] <Cheery> can I try out Mir on my desktop already?
[11:06] <vibhav> Is it possible to have libx11\libxcb wrappers for Mir?
[11:06] <vibhav> We could probably support more software/drivers then.
[11:07] <tjaalton> you have xmir for that
[11:09] <vibhav> tjaalton: ah, thanks
[11:16] <AlanBell> Cheery: if you are on raring you can add the PPA to get the patched mesa packages and download and build the source from trunk
[11:16] <AlanBell> it segfaults for me, but I would be interested in someone else's results from doing this
[11:17] <AlanBell> I am astonished that there are no screenshots or videos to say how wonderful it is
[11:18] <tvoss> AlanBell, working on that :)
[11:25] <vibhav> I should start contributing to this project now
[11:25] <jjardon> Hi, is the code for the GTK+ backend available somewhere?
[11:26] <tvoss> jjardon, nope, not yet
[12:45] <tvoss> AlanBell, ping
[12:50] <AlanBell> hi tvoss
[22:39] <chenxiaolong> Hi Mir developers!
[22:39] <chenxiaolong> Does anyone know when the XMir code will be released? lp:~rocket-scientists/xserver/xmir
[22:45] <RAOF> chenxiaolong: Ah. I haven't pushed that publicly yet? Whoops
[22:47] <RAOF> chenxiaolong: You should be able to get just the source, but not the branch, from the PPA though?
[22:56] <chenxiaolong> RAOF: I'm not seeing the source in the PPA yet
[22:56] <chenxiaolong> You're talking about ppa:mir-team/staging, right?
[23:00] <llstarks> RAOF, are we taking bets on whether mesa-devel accepts your proposal?
[23:05] <RAOF> I don't really expect significant pushback on that.
[23:05] <RAOF> It's self-contained, there are already 3 other platforms.
[23:17] <llstarks> cool
[23:56] <llstarks> RAOF, does mir work with edgers?
[23:57] <RAOF> No; you need some mesa patches.
[23:57] <llstarks> okay i'll downgrade


[02:06] <ubuntu-tester> Just updated to 3.5.0-22 kernel. intel video driver failed to initialize. found in Xorg.0.log: "open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory". how do i troubleshoot this further?
[03:38] <ubuntu-tester> Just updated to 3.5.0-22 kernel. intel video driver failed to initialize. found in Xorg.0.log: "open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory". how do i troubleshoot this further?
[10:50] <howefield> hi elfy :)
[16:00] <ubuntu-tester> After updating to 3.5.0-22 kernel on Quantal most drivers are not loading, including video, sound, eth, wireless etc. With 3.5.0-21 kernel everything is fine.
[16:01] <ubuntu-tester> How do i troubleshoot this?
[16:30] <ubuntu-tester> People, if this channel is not right place for such problems, please tell me where to go!
[16:56] <Kano> hi, why is CONFIG_HOTPLUG in 3.8 kenrel config when it was removed?
[18:12]  * lamont wonders who knows kvm bridge networking
[18:18] <nerdopolis> Is there a reason why on virtualbox, when I start the Kubuntu 12.10 Live CD on Virtualbox, I have no /dev/fb0, and vesafb isn't loaded? And I only get /dev/fb0 once I INSTALL the live environment CD onto VirtualBox,
[21:16] <Jef91> Where can I find package sources for these packages? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.7.3-raring/


[00:45] <xnox> teward: yeah, jcastro definately jumped the gun on the announcement. Just because a MIR is filed, doesn't mean it will be approved as is, partially, or rejected.
[00:47] <xnox> stgraber: i always thought that apache would stay default, the one and only in main, simply by sabdfl's heritage (first debian maintainer) in that package.
[01:02] <teward> xnox, that's what I told him.
[01:02] <teward> the same day he made that post
[01:02]  * teward hasn't let him forget it, yet.
[01:03] <teward> infinity, sarnold: the nginx MIR is going to be blocked by Lua, upstream has said basically they can't support 5.2.
[01:03] <teward> they *have* suggested linking against LuaJIT 2+ but... I haven't investigated that path
[01:03] <teward> infinity, so either someone who understands the module more than I needs to test this, or we drop the Lua module... :/
[01:03] <teward> unless you've had any progress on your porting?
[01:04] <teward> rbasak, in case you're curious... ^
[01:18] <debfx> Noskcaj: I don't know, those changes don't look very important to me.
[01:19] <Noskcaj> ok
[01:20] <Noskcaj> and as always, please sponsor stuff :)
[04:22] <saiarcot895> How hard would it be to create a personal port of existing packages to the i586 architecture?
[10:37] <infinity> teward: Dropping the lua stuff seems less than ideal.  I made a tiny bit of progress on porting to 5.2, but that was in the wee hours of the morning before hopping a plane.
[10:38] <infinity> teward: Sitting in the Hong Kong airport now, and not really much interest in porting random packages I don't use to new language versions while I wait for a ferry. :P
[12:23] <maxb> jamespage: Hello, you are assigned to bug 894302 since 2011, are you still involved with it?
[13:14] <jamespage> maxb, indeed
[13:15] <jamespage> I'll try to get that fixed this week
[13:20] <maxb> That would be nice :-) I had an "interesting" time with jitsi until I found the true problem
[15:27] <ktosiek> is this the right channel for questions about creating Ubuntu packages?
[15:27] <ktosiek> (I hadn't had any luck on #ubuntu, and was pointed here)
[15:28] <ktosiek> anyway, how should vim plugins be packaged?
[15:33] <ktosiek> ok, found how it's done by python-jinja2
[15:45] <cjwatson> ktosiek: http://pkg-vim.alioth.debian.org/vim-policy.html/
[15:46] <Laney> The files should be shipped as a file and directory tree isomorphic to what you want to see in a runtime Vim directory.
[15:46] <Laney> definitely written by a cs academic
[15:54] <ktosiek> thanks!
[15:55] <ktosiek> and is there any guide to make Launchpad build from git? I'd love if it could rebase my "debian" branch on external branch, and build from that
[15:55] <mitya57> You can import a git branch into a bzr branch
[15:58] <ktosiek> so, I'd do "bzr init", then import, and then push that to Launchpad?
[15:58]  * ktosiek has never used bzr before
[15:59] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[18:20] <teward> infinity, yeah, well, upstream's not going to port to 5.2
[18:20] <teward> they even said that for that module
[22:52] <ahoneybun> is their any official trusty artwork?


[00:13] <jimarvan> gn peeps :D
[00:16] <valorie> soee and ahoneybun, sorry I didn't answer your pings
 NP @Valoriez
[00:18] <jimarvan> ahoneybun, thanks for the Steam group, signed in ;)
 Oh?
[00:18] <jimarvan> Civ5 on summer sale 75% for anyone interested, promised I would notify
[00:18] <jimarvan> and I will message 3 more guys from podcast to join too :)
 Nice
 I need to find a steam gift card
[00:19] <jimarvan> indeed
 I don't think they make a $20 one anymore though
[00:19] <jimarvan> sent you a steam invite
[00:19] <jimarvan> it is 4.5GBP the main game
[00:20] <jimarvan> i am sure both expansions are 75% too
[00:20] <ahoneybun> 4.5GBP?
[00:20] <jimarvan> yeap
[00:20] <ahoneybun> I'm in US Dollar
[00:20] <jimarvan> well ye... xD
[00:21] <ahoneybun> I thought you were going to bed jimarvan?
[00:22] <jimarvan> sent a progress report to my boss
[00:22] <ahoneybun> oh?
[00:22] <jimarvan> asking for vacations :P
[00:23] <jimarvan> believe me it is SHOCKING big news
[00:23] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:23] <jimarvan> hahaha
[00:23] <jimarvan> I reached that milestone I was talking about ;) (...finally...)
[00:23] <ahoneybun> I'm installing more games
[00:23] <jimarvan> how much does CiV5 with all expansions cost in dollars?
[00:24] <jimarvan> 25 dollars?
[00:24] <ahoneybun> let me look
[00:25] <ahoneybun> wow
[00:25] <ahoneybun> $13 dollars
[00:25] <ahoneybun> around
[00:25] <jimarvan> told ya?
[00:25] <ahoneybun> never played the series
[00:25] <ahoneybun> I have PA
[00:25] <jimarvan> its an awesome opportunity
[00:25] <jimarvan> I will arrange a champioship
[00:26] <jimarvan> with small maps ofc
[00:26] <jimarvan> may the best conqueror wins
[00:26] <jimarvan> *win
[00:26] <jimarvan> (though the charm of it is coop mode, team-mode)
[00:27] <ahoneybun> I'm up for games I own ATM lol
[00:27] <jimarvan> :D
[00:28] <jimarvan> and done... see ya tomorrow :)
[00:28] <ahoneybun> I have Borderlands The Pre-Sequel, Dying Light
[00:28] <ahoneybun> Portal 2
[00:28] <jimarvan> Portal 2, but never played it xD
[00:28] <ahoneybun> L4D2
[00:28] <ahoneybun> it's fun
[00:28] <jimarvan> I played a bit portal 1
[00:28] <ahoneybun> much better when you can talk to though
[00:28] <ahoneybun> we the co op
[00:28] <jimarvan> I want to play Half-life
[00:28] <jimarvan> soooo much
[00:29] <ahoneybun> you have 4 portals lol
[00:29] <jimarvan> no spoilers!
[00:29] <jimarvan> :P
[00:29] <ahoneybun> that is not the story
[00:29] <ahoneybun> the coop is it's own thing
[00:29] <ahoneybun> right now I'm working on my own build of Mycroft
[00:30] <jimarvan> :)
[00:31] <ahoneybun> trying anyway
[00:32] <jimarvan> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/107473457673091339260
[00:32] <jimarvan> from Kereltis :)
[00:32] <jimarvan> mycroft is awesome man
[00:32] <jimarvan> I will show it to my boss on monday, it could be useful for homes with autistic children!
[00:33] <jimarvan> good night and talk to you tomorrow
[01:03] <valorie> folks, does the topic need updating?
[01:03] <valorie> I think I've read all the backlog I missed during my dental work/mid-week trip to the cabin
[01:04] <valorie> but I thought some stuff was in -landing to test?
[01:04]  * valorie can test both xx and yy
[01:07] <clivejo> any patches or merge requests for apps ( http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.2_yakkety.html ) greatly received
[01:07] <clivejo> quite a few in manual and Im too tired to fix them right now
[01:08] <clivejo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17832773/
[02:02] <clivejo> FFS
[02:02] <clivejo> Launchpad is temporarily unavailable
[02:06] <valorie> :(
[02:38] <ahoneybun> valorie: we have a big server coming our way
[02:39] <ahoneybun> just in time that Canonical IS fixed our login issue
[03:02] <valorie> I saw that!
[03:02] <valorie> great work ahoneybun!
[03:02] <valorie> I fixed a couple of typos in the response
[03:02] <valorie> maybe too late.....
[03:05] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie
[03:26] <valorie> any time
[03:26] <valorie> hopefully I'll be more responsive in future
[08:11] <abhishek> hi!
[08:12] <abhishek> any eta for kde 5.7 for kubuntu 16.04, given Qt version conflict.
[08:23] <acheronuk> abhishek: nothing firm yet. that conflict makes it tricky to do without breaking too much other stuff in the archive
[08:26] <acheronuk> clivejo: just looking at some of those apps, and seems a fair bit of difference for some between debian git and what kubuntu have now
[08:27] <acheronuk> for example: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kde-baseapps.git/log/
[08:28] <yofel> clivejo: that's what I thought too... weird
[08:29] <yofel> ahoneybun: what's the new steam group anyway? I'm only in the old one
[08:54] <acheronuk> clivejo: to add to that, I may not have a lot of time this weekend to look at those apps. maybe in the week if they are still needing it by then
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:17] <yofel> moin
[09:18] <lordievader> Hey yofel, how are you doing?
[09:19] <yofel> tired, but at least that 3 day heatwave here came to an end..
[09:24] <lordievader> :)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:44] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hwy clivejo
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hey even :-)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hi soee_
[11:57] <soee_> hiho BluesKaj
[11:57]  * soee_ hoooooottttt
[12:01] <soee_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxxHeBJmz8
[12:02] <yofel> XD
[12:07] <acheronuk> LOL! How much time do you need to source all those snippets? Impressive.
[16:19]  * clivejo sneezes
[16:22]  * BluesKaj hands clivejo a kleenex
[16:23] <clivejo> thanks
[16:24] <clivejo> I think I just blew my head off
[16:25] <BluesKaj> a cold or allergy or...?
[16:25] <clivejo> random out of nowhere
[16:28] <BluesKaj> suddenly in my old age I'm sensitized to pollen etc, never was allergic to much as a younger man, but now my eyes water, my nose runs and I sneeze a lot
[16:49] <clivejo> I cant settle my head to do these
[16:50] <clivejo> yofel: is there a script that can compare archive changelog with git before staging is run?
[17:18] <soee> \o/
[17:24] <acheronuk> would be nice to have something that summarises changes against debian or unstable git, vs what is currently 'kubuntu' stable
[17:27] <yofel> clivejo: isn't it supposed to do that itself?
[17:27] <yofel> clivejo: there is code for that in k-a, but no seperate script
[17:27] <soee> yofel: did get some feedback about this folderview form plasma devs ?
[17:28] <yofel> no, because I wasn't around most of the day and didn't ask
[17:30] <acheronuk> I tried looking at the plasma 5.6 changes relevant to folderview this morning, and came up with a blank here also
[17:31] <acheronuk> nothing in kde bugs or changelogs to indicate a 'fix' as far as I can see
[17:35] <soee> well we have to wait for plasma devs
[17:37] <acheronuk> is there urgency? next Xenial point release?
[17:38] <yofel> that's july 21st, but yeah, needed for that
[17:56] <yofel> ok, fix found
[17:56] <yofel> I'll do the paperwork later
[17:57] <soee> what was sit ?
[17:58] <soee> ah i see on #plasma
[17:58] <acheronuk> http://bugs.kde.org/358039
[17:59] <acheronuk> I searched and searched kde bugs as well. Grrrr
[17:59] <soee> :D
[18:00] <soee> btw. do we want Driver Manager KCM to be enabled by default ?
[18:00] <soee> it doesn't work
[18:00] <soee> and i see Neon has it disabled
[18:01] <acheronuk> OK. this may be a no, but is there any way of highlighting to new installer of XX that the best experience will be found by enabling backports?
[18:20] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: having a slide talking about the backports?
[18:25] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: that sounds sensible, with appropriate warnings/disclaimers
[18:26] <ahoneybun> I think that is what you mean
[18:26] <ahoneybun> I've edited the installer slides a little but nothing like adding another one
[18:33] <soee_> cool thing would be to have some package that starts after first boot and makes introduction to system
[18:33] <soee_> Mint has something like that ?
[18:33] <ahoneybun> yea there was talk about that in the G+ community
[18:33] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu MATE has something like it
[18:33] <ahoneybun> we COULD fork it
[18:33] <soee_> ah right :)
[18:34] <soee_> https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/05_ABOUT.png
[18:34] <ahoneybun> but we are a bit limited on devs
[18:34] <soee_> hmm would be nice for me to start QML stuff learning
[18:35] <soee_> but i'm time limited this month :<<<
[18:35] <ahoneybun> QML would be super fast to built on
[18:35] <ahoneybun> soee_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/ubuntu-mate-welcome
[18:40] <clivejo> +1 for  Kubuntu welcome screen
[18:41] <ahoneybun> clivejo: want to work on it?
[18:41] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:41] <ahoneybun> mm soee_ to install the MATE welcome pulls the whole MATE desktop
[18:41] <clivejo> Im _TRYING_ to get apps sorted
[18:41] <ahoneybun> I know
[18:41] <ahoneybun> your working super hard on that
[18:42] <ahoneybun> I was joking on you working on it
[18:42] <clivejo> but I would like to brand Kubuntu a bit more
[18:42]  * soee_ dont understand why each Apps new releae makes so much problems for us
[18:42] <ahoneybun> brand?
[18:42] <clivejo> the khelpcenter is not up to scratch IMO
[18:43] <ahoneybun> I thought they dropped that
[18:43] <ahoneybun> it really is bad
[18:43] <clivejo> that one knows its Kubuntu
[18:43] <clivejo> its been moved to apps
[18:43] <clivejo> seems to have been some work done on it
[18:43] <ahoneybun> oh nice
[18:44] <clivejo> but with the welcome screen we could point people to proper help sources
[18:44] <clivejo> ie your doc work
[18:44] <ahoneybun> yea
[18:44] <ahoneybun> most of that depends on Internet
[18:45] <clivejo> most people have internet these days
[18:45] <clivejo> you could install a bootstrap manual locally
[18:45] <ahoneybun> yea
[18:45] <clivejo> for the common offline help issues
[18:46] <clivejo> ie getting networking working
[18:47]  * ahoneybun wonders if the Welcome screen if something people at Akademy could do
[18:48] <clivejo> Im surprised KDE plasma team dont have something like this
[18:50] <clivejo> yofel: it does check archive against git, but it just moves the package to manual
[18:50] <clivejo> to me, it would make more sense to do the check before so that the issues could be fixed
[18:59] <yofel> well, that's currently only 1 pass, Feel free to make a separate script that can be used with do-all
[19:04] <clivejo> any way to get KCI to do it as part of the merger?
[19:05] <yofel> sure, add code at the start of the merger... but I'm not really convinced that it should be checking that
[19:06] <clivejo> its rather annoying having all these packages moved to manual due to no change rebuilds etc
[19:08] <yofel> hm, as those don't really matter.. you could dig out the diffstat SRU code so you get a prompt asking you whether the change should be thrown away
[19:13] <clivejo> although a lot of these have other misisng entries :(
[19:13] <clivejo> someone must have done a debian merge and removed entries that should have been kept
[19:14] <clivejo> misisng xenial entries :(
[19:23] <jimarvan> can it be reversed back?
[19:31] <clivejo> Im adding themback manually
[19:35] <clivejo> but I just cant be bothered right now
[19:38]  * soee_ just broke blender ...
[19:42]  * clivejo shakes head
[19:43] <jimarvan> xD
[19:43]  * jimarvan gets the vacuum cleaner...
[19:43] <clivejo> smoothie all over the kitchen?
[19:44] <jimarvan> brb :D
[19:44] <soee_> in put it inside box with metal element and it broke one plastic element responsible for spinning it
[19:45] <soee_> by  by 60 euro :/
[19:46] <clivejo> what were you blending?!?
[19:46] <soee_> fruits ;D
[19:47] <clivejo> what kind of fruits?
[19:47] <soee_> parts of severla, bananas, ananas, mango, kiwi etc.
[19:47] <clivejo> they are soft!
[19:48]  * clivejo think soee_ was blending something soee_ shouldnt have been
[19:49] <soee_> nah, something like https://greenblender.com/smoothies/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Feature-Image-low-sugar-fruits-by-green-blender-960x540.jpg
[19:50] <clivejo> use your teeth
[19:51] <soee_> no, it supposed to be drik
[19:53] <clivejo> but you broke the blender!
[19:53] <soee_> that is why i dont have my tasty rink :<
[19:53] <clivejo> LOL
[19:53] <clivejo> cant you fix it?
[19:53] <soee_> no
[19:54] <clivejo> super glue it
[19:58] <soee_> not possible, to invasive damage
[20:02] <clivejo> no tasty drink for soee_
[20:08] <clivejo> anyone suggest something good to watch on Amazon?
[20:10] <clivejo> eakk
[20:10] <clivejo> what the hell!
[20:13] <clivejo> https://s32.postimg.org/42yz3ygn7/Screenshot_20160625_211152.png
[20:14] <clivejo> is that co-incidence?!?
[20:16] <clivejo> thats too freaky
[20:40] <soee_> :)


[00:00] <WACOMalt> yeah I went into each file and nothing but trusty listed beside them
[00:01] <JanC> my guess would be you either installed a .deb not from an external repository, or you removed that repository afterwards
[00:01] <drab> can you disable all 3rd partyr repos and try an update again?
[00:01] <WACOMalt> how do I do that?
[00:01] <drab> just sudo mv /etc/apt/sourced.list.d/ /etc/apt/sourced.list.disabled/
[00:02] <drab> and re-run apt-get update
[00:02] <JanC> and then run sudo apt update
[00:02] <JanC> or apt-get
[00:02] <JanC> probably apt-get i  :)
[00:02] <drab> apt is actually nicer, I'm just too used to type apt-get still
[00:03] <drab> nicer progress bar at least :)
[00:03] <drab> also I don't think apt history is removed often if at all, its' so tiny,can't remember rotation poilcies
[00:03] <drab> so you should still have something in /var/log/apt/
[00:03] <drab> can you please check history.log?
[00:03] <OerHeks> maybe apt-get dist-upgrade is more fun .. libc update lately and kernels...
[00:04] <drab> it should tell you what you installed
[00:04] <drab> OerHeks: yeah the thing is, it shouldn't ask you to remove it, which is what is happening here
[00:04] <JanC> maybe check that log around 7-5 months ago
[00:05] <WACOMalt> argh. sorry to do this to you guys but I have to run. I'm going to have to fix this tomorrow, something came up
[00:05] <WACOMalt> I'll be back!
[00:05] <WACOMalt> thanks for the help thus far
[00:06] <JanC> the requested libc versions mentioned in the pastebins are not normal for Ubuntu 14.04
[00:08] <OerHeks> bitcoin thingy.. box can be hacked too
[00:09] <JanC> well, any of those could be rogue; like I said those are just filenames and there could be anything behind them
[00:10] <JanC> so the one named "bitcoin" is no more suspect than the other ones
[00:12] <JanC> and in any case, I would expect that scammers make sure they wouldn't be detected that easily  :P
[00:13] <JanC> usually this sort of crap is the result of stupid enterprise companies  ;)
[00:13] <JanC> at least IME
[01:25] <drab> are ppl around here running kvm on ubuntu-server by any chance? it seems overall cumbersome
[01:25] <drab> for one any documentation I found, including on the ubuntu wiki, seems outdate, referencing 8.04 and stuff
[01:25] <drab> and the default ubuntu-vm-builder breaks badly
[01:27] <drab> even the official kvm doc page references 7.04 under the ubuntu section
[01:37] <OerHeks> good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[01:46] <drab> OerHeks: that's what I've been following and had a lot of rpoblems with
[01:46] <drab> the ubuntu-vm-builder seems broken
[01:46] <drab> never complete no matter which combination of paramters I try
[01:48] <drab> and if I use virt-install that again isn't completing cleanly or it seems to require a great deal of hacking around with VNC and ssh tunnelling to do an install from CD
[01:49] <drab> I'm trying to get pxe install going, but no luck there either so far
[01:50] <drab> also --os-variant with virt-install stopped at ubuntuprecise... which looks suspicious
[02:24] <Mead> what is the best way to restart a system via SSH?
[02:27] <drab> eeer, what's that supposed to mean?
[02:27] <drab> how would you restart a local system?
[02:28] <drab> Mead: ssh isn't special, you restart it the same way you'd restart a local system
[02:28] <Mead> ok, how to I restart fromt he cli?
[02:30] <drab> Mead: https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20do%20I%20restart%20a%20system%20via%20ssh&*&rct=j
[16:37] <adrian_1908> I have a question about Nginx + PHP-FPM, but I thought I'd ask here instead of the specific channels. If the Nginx worker runs as `www-data` and the FPM pool as e.g. `cms-user`,  can I just give ownership of the website directory to `cms-user` or do I need to involve `www-data` for some reason?
[16:39] <adrian_1908> The way I see it `cms-user` would be what the CMS uses to run PHP scripts and hence to handle files, so wouldn't that user alone suffice as owner?
[19:50] <blackflow> I've got remote unlocking of encrypted root working with dropbear. None of the askubuntu or similar articles for search of "ubuntu unlock root on boot" or similar, were correct, it's far simpler today. I'd like to contrib an article to server wiki. Please let me know where do I start.
[19:51] <blackflow> I know how to edit wikis, just please point me to (official?) section/pages where I can add such content.
[19:52] <blackflow> somewhere here, if I'm not mistaken?  https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[20:31] <Mead>  why do I have a "virbr0" interface when i run ifconfig when it isn't in /etc/netowrk/interfaces file?
[20:32] <blackflow> Mead: created by libvirtd I think, you've probably got virtualization set up?
[20:33] <Mead> I'm working on it, all the packages are there
[20:34] <Mead> interesting
[20:38] <Mead> I installed ubuntu-server last night and I'm confirming I did everything  right before I stat trying to build actural VM's.  that that virbr0 was unexpected
[20:55] <blackflow> Mead: technically, it's not needed. You can shut down the daemon and run VMs through custom scripts launching qemu-system-x86_64, and have whatever networking configuration you need.
[21:01] <Mead> nice
[21:52] <dn`> is there by chance a kernel param that I can set while using the ubuntu-installer (net) via preseed to sent the output/or log at least to a remote syslog?
[22:10] <Erick3k> hello
[22:13] <Erick3k> ubuntu randomly gets stuck https://i.imgur.com/BZucMiY.png
[22:13] <Erick3k> after restart
[22:13] <Erick3k> any idea why?
[22:22] <blackflow> Erick3k: randomly but not every time? Enable journal persistence if it isn't already and check the logs on next reboot aftre it freezes like that.
[22:26] <Erick3k> blackflow i reboot and works, i turn off the vm and turn back on and that happens, extremly weird am out of ideas
[22:26] <Erick3k> check this video so you can see what am talking about https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4wHJ6nwLi9BQ0pWU2tRbVVfc2c/view?usp=sharing
[22:28] <blackflow> Erick3k: well then do exactly like I suggested.
[22:28] <Erick3k> ok how can i enable that sorry my ignorance
[22:29] <blackflow> Erick3k: "Storage" option of /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[22:29] <blackflow> check the manpage of journald.conf
[22:29] <Erick3k> k
[22:33] <DarkByD3sign> Evening all, anyone around to ask a security question.
[22:37] <blackflow> Maybe.
[22:38] <Erick3k> blackflow this should do it right https://i.imgur.com/priemZZ.png
[22:39] <blackflow> Erick3k: correct
[22:39] <Erick3k> ty
[22:40] <DarkByD3sign> I've created a VPS from a well known cloud service. I've created my ssh key in putty gen and added it to the details on the cloud service so I can log in. Do I need to edit anything on the server side like in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[22:41] <blackflow> DarkByD3sign: once you make sure it works, disable password authentication
[22:41] <Erick3k> blackflow ok now stuck, poweroff and boot on systemrescue cd to get the log?
[22:41] <blackflow> Erick3k: no, reboot again into working system and then check with journalctl
[22:42] <Erick3k> tried reboot still gets stuck https://i.imgur.com/fSg8JWa.png
[22:43] <blackflow> Erick3k: then reboot until you get in
[22:43] <Erick3k> tried power off and start same thing
[22:43] <Erick3k> ok
[22:53] <Erick3k> blackflow 20 reboots and nothing
[22:56] <blackflow> Erick3k: well then try from a systemrescue and see if there's anything in /var/log/messages
[22:57] <Erick3k> k
[23:01] <Erick3k> no messages but kern says https://i.imgur.com/tiPp325.png
[23:06] <Erick3k> blackflow any ideas?
[23:12] <Erick3k> about to give up on this, makes 0 sense
[23:16] <Erick3k> anyone around that can help me with a non booting cloud image?
[23:21] <blackflow> Erick3k: sorry, no idea.
[23:26] <blackflow> Erick3k: though that first screenshot you posted, there are no errors as has been suggested in #ubuntu, those are regular raid modules loading up messages
[23:27] <Erick3k> right but why does it gets stuck after a shutdown and not a reboot?
[23:28] <blackflow> Erick3k: wait, that's not what you originally said
[23:28] <Erick3k> did you see the video i linked?
[23:28] <blackflow> and looking a the timestamp, that's on boot?
[23:28] <Erick3k> you can do a reboot and boots up
[23:28] <Erick3k> once you power it off
[23:28] <Erick3k> it gets stuck forever
[23:29] <Erick3k> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4wHJ6nwLi9BQ0pWU2tRbVVfc2c/view?usp=sharing
[23:29] <Erick3k> check the end of the video
[23:29] <Erick3k> yes
[23:29] <Erick3k> gets stuck next time you power it on during boot
[23:30] <blackflow> and after that you can't boot into the system at all?
[23:30] <blackflow> that link doesn't load, but nevermind
[23:30] <blackflow> doesn't matter, the boot sequence should print out any errors it encounters
[23:32] <blackflow> there's that cgroup message, I don't know if that's a showstopper error or just a warning
[23:38] <Erick3k> it just doesn't go past https://i.imgur.com/BZucMiY.png
[23:38] <Erick3k> no error
[23:38] <Erick3k> no nothing
[23:38] <Erick3k> just stuck there
[23:45] <blackflow> Erick3k: I'm sorry, without an error message, I wouldn't know what could be the cause.
[23:45] <Erick3k> yea same here
[23:46] <Erick3k> yea an Unsolvable Bug i guess
[23:47] <blackflow> Erick3k: you did say that was ubuntu cloud?
[23:48] <Erick3k> yes image
[23:48] <blackflow> which image exactly?
[23:48] <Erick3k> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/20170331/
[23:48] <Erick3k> tried older ones, same thing seems to happen
[23:48] <Erick3k> ubuntu 14 works great
[23:48] <Erick3k> so is something on 16
[23:49] <blackflow> eh, afaik that's for containers
[23:50] <Erick3k> am using kvm
[23:50] <blackflow> I don't think that cloud is the right image then
[23:50] <blackflow> I could be wrong. But, why not just use the regular server image, if that's KVM
[23:51] <Erick3k> ummm
[23:51] <Erick3k> you might be right
[23:51] <Erick3k> this looks like the right one
[23:51] <Erick3k> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release-20170330/
[23:53] <blackflow> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[23:54] <blackflow> I blame all this "cloud" nonsense. Everything is called cloud these days. Easy to get confuzzled.
[23:54] <blackflow> and they're all just regular operating systems
[23:54] <blackflow> with the exception of containers not needing their own kernel
[23:55] <blackflow> so the images for containers are made smaller and simpler.
[23:55] <Erick3k> interesting
[23:56] <Erick3k> i just prefer the images save you the install / setup cloud-init time
[23:57] <blackflow> but KVM is full virtualization. containers are just namespaces. that means for KVM you'll need a full blown operating system with a kernel, init, and all that. so, go with regular server images.


[00:18] <MichaelP> Useing virtualbox with windows in vm video vlc can be chopy. So how well a video cam going to work in vm ?  I cannot use guided partition because it kills Windows. But I cannot set up an encrypted partition with the manual way. I got an error that the encrypted partition cannot be created. It does not ask for a key. Any help? Same with Kubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 alpha 2. It would be great to have a guided encrypted partition that use only the free space,
[06:41] <Graf_Westerholt>  not the whole disc.
[08:03] <Graf_Westerholt> I want to install Kubuntu on an encrypted partition on a drive with Windows. I cannot use guided partition because it kills Windows. But I cannot set up an encrypted partition with the manual way. I got an error that the encrypted partition cannot be created. It does not ask for a key. Any help? Same with Kubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 alpha 2. It would be great to have a guided encrypted partition that use only the free space,
[08:03] <Graf_Westerholt>  not the whole disc.
[08:06] <himanshu> hi everyone
[08:06] <himanshu> what is the shortcut key to open start menu kubuntu 13.04
[08:08] <himanshu> its very frustrating to everytime go to the mouse
[08:14] <Graf_Westerholt> himanshu, just hit Alt+F2 and type the name of what you want to start. ;) Or something else. *g*
[08:15] <himanshu> Graf_Westerholt: that's really cool, thanks!
[08:16] <Graf_Westerholt> Oh he is gone.  I cannot use guided partition because it kills Windows. But I cannot set up an encrypted partition with the manual way. I got an error that the encrypted partition cannot be created. It does not ask for a key. Any help? Same with Kubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 alpha 2. It would be great to have a guided encrypted partition that use only the free space,
[09:04] <Graf_Westerholt>  not the whole disc.
[09:07] <ikonia> Graf_Westerholt: you can't share the partition with windows on an encypted disk
[09:08] <Graf_Westerholt> ikonia, I do not want to share an encrypted Partition with Windows.
[09:08] <ikonia> ok, so what's the issue, not sure I've understood
[09:08] <Graf_Westerholt> Please read again. ;)
[09:09] <ikonia> no problem, I won't bother I'll do other things.
[10:08] <valar> asdf
[10:08] <valar> hi
[10:08] <valar> guys
[10:09] <valar> i am new to IRC
[10:09] <denki> hi valar
[10:10] <valar> hi denki
[11:14] <ellakappa> hello world
[11:21] <ellakappa> am i alone
[11:22] <ellakappa> hello world...
[11:22] <chiefw0tj> Hello ellakappa :)
[11:23] <ellakappa> happy...
[11:23] <ellakappa> ;)
[11:23] <ellakappa> ;)
[11:23] <FloodBotK1> ellakappa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:23] <ellakappa> this works
[11:25] <ellakappa> how
[11:25] <ellakappa> ;)
[11:25] <ellakappa> is this
[11:25] <ellakappa> ?
[11:26] <ellakappa> tnx
[11:26] <ellakappa> talk
[11:29] <ellakappa> who's online
[11:29] <ellakappa> ?
[11:29] <ellakappa> eyome?
[11:32] <ellakappa> infrid
[11:33] <infrid> yes?
[11:36] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short question:  I want to use tether with my android phone on kubuntu kubuntu does recognize the connection (when using ifconfig I have a new "usb0"  network interface)  but for some reason I still can not connect to anything (my phone is definitly connected to the internet).  And you?
[12:08] <goodtime> him and his buddies
[12:09] <goodtime> but im healing good
[12:09] <lordievader> I'm doing good actually, Graf_Westerholt
[12:09] <Graf_Westerholt> Great!
[12:27] <ellakappa> kubuntu on mobile?
[12:27] <ellakappa> i love it
[12:27] <ellakappa> i want opensuse also on mobile
[12:27] <rimdeker> Which mobike device?
[12:28] <rimdeker> Mobile*
[12:28] <ellakappa> no idea where to put linux on mobile
[12:29] <ellakappa> kraft?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:37] <ellakappa> this works infrid?
[12:38] <infrid> sorry ellakappa I'm Busy, I use thethering only via USB :)
[12:39] <vadrao> Hi, I have both ubuntu-desktop and Kubuntu-desktop installed. I primarily use KDE. Now the problem is my notifications from ktorrent etc, are using Ubuntu system. I would like to use the defaul KDE notifications. Can anybody help in this
[12:39] <ellakappa> ...
[12:39] <ellakappa> ;)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> vadrao, the only suggestion I can think of that will work is say goodbye to ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <dnivra> Hello. I'm running Kubuntu 12.04.2. I installed pyopencl 0.92 from the repositories and then all desktop effects stop working. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5918223/ are the packages that get installed. Has someone faced this issue before?
[12:43] <vadrao> BluesKaj: How can I safely remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <Graf_Westerholt> I want to install Kubuntu on an encrypted partition on a drive with Windows. I cannot use guided partition because it kills Windows. But I cannot set up an encrypted partition with the manual way. I got an error that the encrypted partition cannot be created. It does not ask for a key. Any help? Same with Kubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 alpha 2. It would be great to have a guided encrypted partition that use only the free space,
[12:43] <Graf_Westerholt>  not the whole disc.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, vadrao
[12:44] <kubuntu> ...
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, have you tried setting up with gparted ?
[12:45] <Graf_Westerholt> No, I have not.
[12:46] <vadrao> BluesKaj: I guess that command just removes the package ubuntu-desktop? All the other associated Gnome packages would still be present?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> it's worth investigating it's options vs the ubiquity installer
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt,^
[12:47] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I’ll try it.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> vadrao, coirrect , you'd have to remove whatecer apps you don't need or want
[12:47] <BluesKaj> whatever
[12:48] <vadrao> BluesKaj: Ok thanks
[12:48] <vadrao> I will try and do that
[12:48] <dnivra> vadrao: Just a thought; might work for you. You can view Kubuntu's installation history and remove the packages that were installed.
[12:49] <vadrao> dnivra: How can I review Kubuntu installation history? Any special command for that
[12:50] <dnivra> I know the GUI way - via Software Centre. not sure how to do so via CLI.
[12:51] <dnivra> probably the command "apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop" might help - it lists all packages that ubuntu-desktop depends on.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> vadrao, it's safer to remove the apps you don't need or want , removing packages can get you into dependency hell . they are different
[12:52] <vadrao> BluesKaj: currently, my only problem are the Ubuntu notications that pop on my KDE
[12:53] <dnivra> Does anyone have some ideas on the issue I'd asked about earlier?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> vadrao, then remove ubuntu-desktop or you could turn off the notifications in muon
[12:54] <vadrao> I dont have any problem with other Gnome applications that dont disturb me for the time being
[12:54] <BluesKaj> or the ubuntu software center
[12:55] <BluesKaj> then just turn the notifications off in both kubuntu and ubuntu package managers
[12:56] <BluesKaj> vadrao, I should have mentioned that earlier , but I'm old and I forget things
[12:59] <vadrao> BluesKaj: I am not sure if I have put forwarded my problem properly. My problem was with notifications that pop when my download in Ktorrent is completed or when Quassel remind me that you have addressed me a message
[12:59] <vadrao> not the update notications from the package manager
[13:00] <HighHo> Vadrao, just out of intrest do you notifications on the kde system as well as the gnome ones?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> so you don't want notifications at all ?
[13:00] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I can set up an encrypted luks-patition with gparted and install Kubuntu on it?
[13:01] <vadrao> HighHo: I only see Gnome notifications on my KDE desktop session. No KDE default notifications appear at all
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, not sure , that';s why i suggested you investigate it's encryption options
[13:02] <vadrao> BluesKaj: I want notifications to appear using the KDE system. and not the pink/purple ones which Ubuntu/Gnome uses
[13:03] <BluesKaj> vadrao, then open your ubuntu-desktop and turn off all the notifications . I'm not sure how in ubuntu , so ask there , #ubuntu
[13:04] <palasso> Hi. I was wondering if someone had a suggestion on how to do "diffs" between metapackages (dependencies). I'm mostly interested in comparing kde-full with kubuntu-full and some other metapackages and understand better the general structure of the kubuntu packages. I already read these which helped to some extend: http://askubuntu.com/questions/90130/whats-kubuntu-full http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/21/411-build-chart-and-what-else
[13:14] <HighHo> Palasso - would "apt-cache depends" help?
[13:14] <palasso> HighHo: I used that the way it was suggested on the askubuntu link
[13:17] <HighHo> Ah ok, sorry I must admit I didnt check the links :)
[13:17] <palasso> I used that for dependencies and recommendations but due to the size of the metapackages it's difficult to follow.... The thing is that although I could follow kde-full because it depends on metapackages (and so there is a hierarchy there) I couldn't follow kubuntu-full. Also "apt-cache depends" doesn't help much when one metapackage depends on a metapackage while the other metapackage depends on a subset of the same metapackage.
[13:18] <palasso> Also KDE docs helped me follow the different kde metapackages (e.g. kdegames, kdeaccessibility etc.)
[13:19] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I cannot create an encrypted partition with gparted.
[13:21] <HighHo> Palasso, try apt-rdepends (you may need to install first) it will provide a full recurrsive list
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, bummer , there must be a method or an partitioning app that can , perhaps this can help,  http://xmodulo.com/2013/01/how-to-create-encrypted-disk-partition-on-linux.html
[13:26] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I want to encrypt the partition where Kubuntu should be installed.
[13:26] <Graf_Westerholt> This link does not help with this.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> well then do some research , Graf_Westerholt , I'm sure you're capable of finding what you need , or ask in #ubuntu there a lot oif very knowledgeable ppl there
[13:27] <Graf_Westerholt> What is ppl?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> people
[13:33] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: you have many partitions with different OSes?
[13:34] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, I want to install Windows and Linux. Linux encrypted.
[13:36] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: first of all you can't encrypt the whole drive I think with a windows partition, secondly you can encrypt the home partition easily as it's an option in the installer
[13:37] <palasso> Or the home folder. You don't need to specify it as a separate partition
[13:37] <palasso> I don't know abt encrypting the root partition. But thought to tell you this about home as usually there are the most sensitive data that need to be encrypted
[13:38] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, I want a partition for Windows and one for Linux. And I want to encrypt the Linux-Partition. The Installer can do when I use „guided partition“.
[13:39] <Graf_Westerholt> But for "guided partition" there is only option for whole drive, not only free space, so it would kill Windows.
[13:40] <palasso> Yes
[13:40] <palasso> That's full disk encryption and it won't work on a dual-boot windows linux system
[13:40] <palasso> Are you sure that home encryption isn't enough for your requirements?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, whynot just encrypt  ~/home ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> as palasso suggests
[13:41] <palasso> BluesKaj: actually simply ~
[13:42] <BluesKaj> encryt it after installation ...is that possibel ?
[13:42] <palasso> ~/home is a folder named "home" inside the home folder ;)
[13:42] <Graf_Westerholt> It is not full disk encryption because the root-partition is not encrypted. Only one partition. And I cannot set up an encrypted partition with the manual installation, so I guess it is a bug in the installer.
[13:42] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, encrypt after installation is very hard.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> yeah sorry , mistake
[13:43] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: it is possibly a missing feature in the ubiquity graphical installer yes.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> palasso, I meant  ~/
[13:44] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, not missing, I can choose to set up an encryptet LVM in the installer. But it fails with an error message that it was not possible to create the encrypted partition.
[13:44] <palasso> What I am proposing now Graf_Westerholt is maybe the easiest and most sensible solution. Encrypting the whole partition doesn't help very much
[13:44] <palasso> Ohh
[13:48] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: according to this there doesn't seem to be LVM encryption support built into ubiquity https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsViaUbiquity
[13:50] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, but it encrypted my disc when I chose „guided partition“. It only fails by the manual way.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> we can't read minds , LVM is not familiar to most kubuntu users , that makes your question even more difficult , Graf_Westerholt
[13:53] <Graf_Westerholt> ok, BluesKaj. What more info do you need?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> I don't , I told you a couple of days ago , I don't know much about encryption , but you keep asking me , Graf_Westerholt :)
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, because you tried to help me. ;)
[13:57] <BluesKaj> well, Graf_Westerholt , it's obvious that i can't now ..If I had known you were running LVM then I wouldn't have responded
[13:59] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, sory, I should have mentioned taht.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, my best suggestion is to do a regular install then once your data is moved to your /home partition , then encryt that with the appropriate tools
[14:10] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, but that is a lot of work ;)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> really , why ?
[14:11] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, see here ;) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto
[14:11] <BluesKaj> is it in encrypted in your backup ?
[14:11] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, no that is not the right link
[14:11] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, my Backups are encrypted with LUKS.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> well, then just leave them there
[14:14] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry? I want to encrypt my Linux-partition.
[14:14] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso: That error occurs when trying create a crypto partition:
[14:14] <Graf_Westerholt> http://roy.5x8.de/encrypt-test0.png
[14:14] <Graf_Westerholt> http://roy.5x8.de/encrypt-test1.png
[14:16] <kdef> hello, does anyone here use bluetooth devices?
[14:16] <kdef> I was wondering if a device that worked in 12.04, will still work in 13.04?
[14:17] <kdef> I am also looking for a wifi usb adapter... wondering if the realtek chipset is okay to use
[14:18] <kdef> oh, it is 12.10 it last worked... so, 13.04 should be fine, right?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> kdef, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[14:29] <Belial`> is there a way to get kmail to use the notifications for received messages like it does when sending out a message?
[14:38] <Belial`> ah nevermind. think i found it.
[14:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Belial`, I found it, too. ;)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Belial`, return receipt ?
[14:39] <Belial`> no, it was under notifications configuration in the kmail menu
[14:40] <Belial`> by default, it isn't turned on
[14:40] <Belial`> for received mail.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> kmail segfaults after a few days here so i can't use it , and it's a pita with that akondai server
[14:50] <roasted_> what theme does Kubuntu use by default?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> roasted_, Oxygen , I think
[15:12] <roasted_> BluesKaj: I found it to be a little obnoxious to look at whne I threw 13.04 in a VM, particularly with how light my clock text was too.
[15:13] <Belial`> roasted_, that's the new air theme.
[15:13] <Belial`> and the text is a bit hard to see.
[15:13] <Belial`> i usually use ember with some parts of caledonia mixed in though.
[15:13] <Belial`> it's the first thing i change.
[15:13] <palasso> kdef: load up a liveDVD and see for yourself if the hardware works
[15:14] <roasted_> Belial`: yeah, I hear you. It's just by default it's painful to look at. Changing it is a borderline requirement.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> roasted_, we all have our own taste ...I prefer a light coloured clock text
[15:14] <roasted_> Belial`: it makes the default implementation of openSUSE look downright beautiful.
[15:14] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: this is 13.10 and is in alpha stage! if you're interested to do some testing on the feature perhaps it would be better to ask on #kubuntu-devel
[15:14] <kdef> palasso:  are you buying me the hardware? :)
[15:14] <roasted_> BluesKaj: I don't have a preference between light and dark. I just like being able to see the clock out of the box, which the default theme makes it difficult tod o.
[15:15] <kdef> how nice of you... I'll wait until it gets here and then put in the liveDVD ;-)
[15:15] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, it is the same in 13.04, so does not matter.
[15:15] <Belial`> roasted_, yeah the new theme for opensuse is really nice.
[15:15] <palasso> kdef: what hardware? you said that it worked for 12.04. Wasn't it on your PC?
[15:15] <Belial`> but kubuntu usually follows defaults as closely as possible.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> roasted_, which theme is default on your install ?
[15:15] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso http://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-62536.html
[15:15] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: ok but maybe you could consider reporting the bug so it gets fixed for 13.10 ;)
[15:15] <kdef> palasso: nope...  just on an 'ubuntu hardware list' for bluetooth devices
[15:15] <roasted_> BluesKaj: I wasn't sure what it was, as I installed like 30 of them. but I assume it's the new air theme.
[15:16] <kdef> but these dongles often have chipset changes... really annoying for keeping track
[15:16] <roasted_> Belial`: yeah, I can understand trying to be as vanilla as possible, but dang, if upstream picks something that is difficult to read, I'd change it.
[15:16] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, where to report?
[15:16] <Belial`> roasted_, i agree
[15:17] <roasted_> fortunately it's braindead easy to change.
[15:17] <roasted_> just be nice if the ootb experience didn't 'require' that
[15:17] <Belial`> yeah it is. i use ember panel with caledonia task items and panel icons.
[15:17] <palasso> Graf_Westerholt: sorry I have to leave now I don't have time to explain. Maybe someone else can help you
[15:17] <Graf_Westerholt> palasso, ok
[15:18] <BluesKaj> roasted_, try the oxygen theme , it has a black well contrasted theme making blight coloured text easy to read in the panel
[15:18] <kdef> I'll probably take a chance on it... it's $11... my bluetooth keyboard will be $20 ... a usb wifi dongle for wireless internet will be $7 but it's realtek....  :-{    risky
[15:18] <BluesKaj> light rather
[15:18] <roasted_> BluesKaj: yeah, I like the oxygen theme *a lot*
[15:24] <BluesKaj> roasted_, this what my desktop looks like with oxygen http://imagebin.org/265738
[15:25] <BluesKaj> you may need to use ctrl - to make it smaller aon a regular sized monitor
[15:25] <roasted_> BluesKaj: looks nice, but dang that's a fat panel :P
[15:26] <Belial`> http://i.imgur.com/MkZwW3M.png there's mine
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ctrl -  roasted
[15:27] <BluesKaj> roasted_, yes it is because I'm 3M  away from the screen
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL , errands to do
[15:29] <roasted_> BluesKaj: fair enough. Come to think of it, with a fat panel and using the Homerun launcher, I bet KDE could look pretty dang presentable on a TV from a distance.
[16:34] <COLAMAroro> Hi everyone
[16:36] <roasted> hi
[16:39]  * COLAMAroro a make a big cake. To have some cake, write /part
[16:43] <COLAMAroro> Nobody want cake :(
[16:52]  * COLAMAroro a make a big cake. To have some cake, write /part
[16:54] <Graf_Westerholt> Where does Konqueror and rekonq save the bookmarks? Buggy bookmark-manager killed half of my bookmarks.
[16:57] <HighHo> Graf: .~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
[17:03] <Graf_Westerholt> HighHo, thx
[17:42] <Guest85666> I have a question
[17:43] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | Guest85666
[17:46] <Guest85666> I have Ubuntu dual booting with Win7... I'd like to replace Ubuntu with with Kubuntu, have Kubuntu installed on a USB drive... Started the install but don't see an option to replace... I could use the whole disk, or install alongside Win7 and Ubuntu. Any recommendations?
[17:47] <Guest85666> I want just Win7 & Kbuntu
[17:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest85666, in terminal just install "kubuntu-desktop" with apt-get: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and you have KDE installed and can use it. No need to remove or install Ubuntu. Ubuntu and Kubuntu is the same.
[17:56] <Guest85666> Just install the KDE desktop over Ubuntu then?
[17:58] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest85666, yes.
[17:58] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest85666, at the log-in you can choose between KDE and Gnome/Unity.
[17:58] <Guest85666> What if  I still wanted to do it my way (updating to the latest version along the way)? Should I delete the ext4 partition and install Kubuntu in it's place?
[17:59] <Guest85666> My Ubuntu version is like 11
[17:59] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest85666, that stupid, because the differents between Ubundu and KUbuntu is just the different "Desktops" KDE, Gnome, Unity …
[18:01] <Guest85666> Thanks, you've been very helpful and an asshole to boot... have a great day!
[18:01] <Graf_Westerholt> What?
[18:44] <Gnjurac> hi how to istall 32lib for x64
[18:44] <Gnjurac>  ia32-libs-multiarch
[18:52] <hacktus0> I have problem I burn on USB kubuntu and I go in bios of pc ,BUT when  I run my usb on start then it doesn't work. the pc is ACER 32 bit. CAN YOU HELP ME PLZ????
[18:53] <ikonia> hacktus0: either a.) the usb was not created correctly 2.) your bios is not uspporting boot from usb
[18:54] <hacktus0> I burn my USB like http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[18:58] <hacktus0> I don't know maybe is bios but what can i do it
[18:59] <hacktus0> ?
[18:59] <hacktus0> ikonia
[18:59] <ikonia> hacktus0: check the usb on another machine, make sure that's built ok
[19:02] <hacktus0> i dont have other computer.ikonia
[19:03] <ikonia> hacktus0: try remaking the usb hen
[19:03] <ikonia> then
[19:07] <hacktus0> it 's a same result
[19:07] <hacktus0> ikonia
[19:07] <ikonia> ok, so then either you are not making it correct, or your system doesn't support boot from usb
[19:08] <hacktus0> I think at 10
[19:08] <hacktus0> I think at 100 % it 's BIOS
[19:08] <ikonia> sorry, I don't understand
[19:08] <hacktus0> I think at 100 % it 's BIOS
[19:08] <ikonia> hacktus0: ok, then you have a problem
[19:09] <hacktus0> what can i do then?????? ikonia
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[21:06] <nicolas> salut
[21:06] <nicolas> j'ai besoin d'aide s'il vous plait
[21:34] <nicolas> salut
[21:34] <nicolas> J4ai besoin d'aide pour changer de langue s'il vous plait c'est urgent
[21:35] <nicolas> J'ai besoin d'aide s'il vous plait, j'ai besoin de changer la langue de kubuntu, aidez moi .. :$ Merci
[21:35] <Unit193> !fr | nicolas
[22:16] <kubuntu> eh??
[22:16] <juancarlos> :)
[22:16] <Guest54131> hola
[22:16] <Guest54131> a ver
[22:16] <Guest54131> quien esta??
[23:26] <nikoz> hola


[07:19] <alkisg> Good morning
[09:36] <vmlintu> morning
[13:26] <highvoltage> morning vmlintu
[14:13] <Nokio> Hi all for some reasyon on a fresh install of edubuntu 10.04 xorg is taking all the cpu. Can anyone help me ?
[14:16] <alkisg> Nokio: I've seen that when both vino-server (the remote desktop server) and italc are installed at the same time, is that the case for you?
[14:19] <Nokio> dpkg -l returns me that vino/italc-client/libitalc is installed
[14:19] <Nokio> would that be a probleme ?
[14:20] <alkisg> It might be. Try killing all ica* processes and see if your problem is temporarily solved.
[14:20] <Nokio> ok brb
[14:20] <alkisg> Or, disable vino-server in the remote desktop preferences for that user
[14:20] <alkisg> system > preferences > remote desktop > disable...
[14:21] <vmlintu> highvoltage: was there a new version of ltsp-cluster under development?
[14:22] <Nokio> alkisg, interesting now that i turned remote desktop down xorg is back to normal but niso-server takes 100% of cpu now lol
[14:23] <alkisg> niso-server? what's that?
[14:23] <Nokio> oups vino-server lol sorry typo probleme :p
[14:23] <alkisg> remote desktop IS vino-server
[14:23] <alkisg> So if it's taking 100% cpu, it's still running
[14:24] <Nokio> i run an ltsp server. i disabled it for my user ill try a reboot and see how it goes
[14:24] <alkisg> Try `killall -9 vino-server`
[14:24] <alkisg> OK, or a reboot.
[14:24] <Nokio> i did kill the process and the load average went back to normal so thats why i try a reboot
[14:24] <Nokio> wont be long brb
[14:25] <highvoltage> vmlintu: yep, it still is, but it's not close to release yet
[14:27] <vmlintu> highvoltage: Is it available publicly somewhere now?
[14:28] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I think it's in a bzr branch... one moment and I'll check...
[14:28] <vmlintu> I think I once found some bzr branch, but I couldn't find anything now that I checked..
[14:29] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I'll ask vvinet about it a bit later, he has been working on it
[14:29] <vmlintu> I've been thinking of new ways to implement an ltsp load balancer and I was wondering if you've come up with some new ideas..
[14:31] <vmlintu> highvoltage: Right now I'm thinking of a dynamic masterless load balancer that wouldn't need a master server to do the load balancing..
[14:32] <Nokio> alkisg you were right it now work like a charm !
[14:32] <Nokio> thanks a lot for your time and help !
[14:32] <alkisg> You're welcome
[14:32] <Nokio> have a nice day to you !
[14:33] <highvoltage> vmlintu: poke stgraber with that :)
[14:39] <vmlintu> highvoltage: I'll write down some thoughts about it.. I was thinking of using status broadcasting so that the servers would know about each other and their status. That way any server would know what other server are available and how they are doing.
[19:10] <alkisg> Meeting in 50' ?
[19:50] <highvoltage> yep
[19:50] <highvoltage> (or about 9 from now, at least)
[19:59] <highvoltage> oh, it's time!
[19:59] <highvoltage> (time flies while bug fixing :) )
[21:00] <vmlintu> dinda: hi.. did you notice this? http://www.opinsys.fi/en/ubuntu-in-education-in-finland
[21:01] <highvoltage> vmlintu: http://dindafoss.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/ubuntu-in-education/
[21:02] <vmlintu> oh, it picked up the link to it.. good..
[21:02] <vmlintu> or trackback it is called, I think..
[21:03] <vmlintu> I was just wondering if there's something else that would be useful that I could write down..


[09:10] <do3meli> anyone else expiriencing problems running tox on local branches after 18.2 release?
[09:10] <do3meli> RuntimeError: Failed running ['/usr/bin/python3', 'tools/read-version'] [rc=1] (, git describe version (18.1-42-g2fb6008f) differs from cloudinit.version (18.2)
[13:45] <smoser> do3meli: you need to pull the tag from upstream
[13:46] <do3meli> allright, thx
[13:46] <smoser> let me know if that doesnt work
[13:46] <do3meli> it worked ;)
[13:47] <smoser> k.  that can be annoying for sure.  its just there to make sure we dont mess up.
[15:45] <blackboxsw> rharper: smoser, do we need to talk about what we want to land in bionic my EOD/tomorrow?
[15:54] <smoser> blackboxsw: ok.
[15:58] <blackboxsw> maybe just chrony?   our SRU process feels like it is getting easier and easier, so maybe it's no big deal if something misses freeze
[15:58] <blackboxsw> forgot I have a 1:1
[16:52]  * blackboxsw is working on SRU validation scripts in https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/ for the next ubuntu sru. specifically I'm changing our manual tests to include user-data test & validate some of the exception_cb changes that we know affect this release.
[18:33] <smoser> blackboxsw: around?
[18:33] <dojordan> hey folks- does anyone know how to identify the commit hash of cloud init in the daily canonical images? i see https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/daily/ but that doesn't have release notes or packages
[18:34] <smoser> dojordan: well, i would guess that mostly the serial in the Release column will line up with
[18:34] <smoser> one in http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/server/xenial/
[18:36] <smoser> i guess in an ideal world, the stream data for azure (http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.cloud:daily:azure.sjson)
[18:36] <smoser> would have manifest files
[18:36] <smoser> dojordan: which specifically were you after ?
[18:37] <Odd_Bloke> dojordan: The serial in Azure will be aligned with the serial on cloud-images.u.c, so you can use that as a reference.
[18:39] <dojordan> sorry, i guess what i was after was how do I specifically identify if com.ubuntu.cloud.daily:server:18.04 version 20180327 has the 18.2 release of cloud-init?
[18:39] <dojordan> i.e. this manifest file
[18:39] <dojordan> got it, makes sense
[18:40] <dojordan> thanks all
[18:42] <blackboxsw> smoser: back
[18:45]  * blackboxsw jumps into cloud-init hangout for the day folks want to chat about SRU or bionic release stuff
[20:19] <blackboxsw> merging do3meli's doc branches
[21:35] <blackboxsw> smoser: I know you are out of here, hogarth's branch + review comment fixes are at https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/342428
[21:36] <blackboxsw> I'm going to rebase and merge my commit into his after a bit more testing on azure/ec2. so my separate commit will disappear.
[21:36] <blackboxsw> I think I need to address rharper's comments on hogarth's branch too.
[22:17] <smoser> blackboxsw: awesome.
[22:18] <blackboxsw> smoser: I'm wrapping up rharper's and my missed review comments on it now.
[22:18] <blackboxsw> had one minor fix for lxc.
[22:42] <blackboxsw> ok rebased and pushed, testing ec2 and azure now
[23:03] <blackboxsw> smoser: net-tools drop won't make it tonight, will get it in shape for next week. I see some discrepancies on ec2 ipv6 route print info (missing route link details when using ip vs route cmd output).
[23:04] <blackboxsw> need to sort the absence of info on ec2 first so there'll be another change to the logic
[23:04] <blackboxsw> in netinfo.py
[23:09] <blackboxsw> got it, netdev_info_netstat calls netstat -A inet6 -rn  too. but netdev_info_iproute doesn't compile v6 routes
[23:09] <blackboxsw> ok will have to work it out
[23:09] <blackboxsw> I'm off til Monday. have a good easter folks