[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb hiya https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3c71b053e171414b2ca8546d398b7f1d82bb2838?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[12:09] <gary_poster> in 1 (or 2 if necessary)
[12:29] <gmb> bac`, Gah. I think we just swapped hangouts. I'll stay where I am, you come to me: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/443840122746ffd12ced54df205ab403d9ad6852?hcb=1&hii=117034961047606128906&hit=1340281662992&htp=0
[12:29] <bac`> i'm sort of there but only see your still and no audio
[12:29] <gary_poster> ooh!  at least for one brief shining moment, we are at 95% success rate for our tests!
[12:29] <gmb> bac`, Okay, weird; let me reconnect...
[12:29] <bac`> gmb: you may need to make a new one
[12:30] <gary_poster> given the usual rolling three day window approach, where the third day is today and I haven't run any tests yet :-P
[12:30] <gary_poster> but still, we are 19/20 for the last 20 tests
[12:30] <gary_poster> which is our goal statistic
[12:30] <gmb> bac`, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2a9476c4e3d0d3bfe4c77790592e40065cdbedc9?authuser=0&hl=en-GB# has me in it.
[12:33] <gmb> bac, lp:~yellow/zope.testing/fix-tests
[12:41]  * gmb lunches
[13:18]  * bac was momentarily distracted by a swarm of pileated woodpeckers.  i saw three large adults and at least two juveniles.  very cool.  http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Pileated_Woodpecker/id
[13:21] <gary_poster> cool :-)
[13:21] <gary_poster> frankban, approved EuroPython
[13:22] <frankban> thanks gary_poster
[13:33] <gary_poster> frankban, no rush but https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f4daf72d067dd6bdd9be0aa8b2c5c805abbf025a?authuser=1&hl=en-US when you are ready
[13:59] <gary_poster> benji, I just realized that we missed something in our lpsetup description: we should be able to do something like rerun init and have the command update everything to the current "best" configuration.  Your card does not need to implement this--I like keeping your card small--but it *might* influence your thinking or your approach, so I mention it now. (should have mentioned it earlier)
[14:00] <gary_poster> the spelling is up for grabs
[14:00] <gary_poster> it could be "rerun init"
[14:00] <gary_poster> or run some other command
[14:00] <benji> hmm; ok, thanks
[14:19] <gary_poster> ugh.  I don't know what we should do about this now.  Another instance of lp.services.webapp.tests.test_error.TestDatabaseErrorViews.test_disconnectionerror_view_integration failing, with "TimeoutException: Launchpad did not come up after 60 attempts." :-(  This is already with the 20 instances on a 32 core machine.
[14:23] <gmb> bac, How are we looking with that branch?
[14:26] <bac> gmb: good, but running the full suite ends oddly:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1052716/
[14:26] <bac> note it just stops, no summary
[14:27] <bac> also note that our new tests get run way at the beginning, so should not be influencing the summary output
[14:27] <bac> gmb: thoughts on what might be going on?
[14:29] <bac> gmb: changes pushed to lp:~yellow/zope.testing/fix-tests
[14:29] <gmb> grabbing...
[14:30] <gary_poster> gmb, we have our call now, but I see you are in the middle of looking at stuff, and no rush in any case.  whenever you want, come over to https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/cadff6c4e5227f872dd2392ff9ac5b51740d0d3e?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[14:30] <bac> gmb: tried to interest murphy in my 70-200.  no bite.
[14:31] <gmb> gary_poster, Okay, I'll be along when I've poked at this a bit.
[14:31] <gary_poster> cool
[14:31] <gmb> bac, Hah, unlucky :)
[14:33] <gmb> bac, So, I can confirm your results... it looks almost as though stdout is getting redirected somewhere
[14:34] <gary_poster> who would do such a thing?
[14:34] <gmb> :D
[14:35] <gmb> Ah, wait.
[14:35] <gmb> Maybe it isn't...
[14:37] <gmb> bac, Let's hang out. I'll start one.
[14:40] <gmb> bac, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ae3a1c590e25a692ca618cd9b43312bf592778ac?authuser=0&hl=en-GB#
[14:40] <bac> gmb: and i cannot tell if this is a reversion or not, since in trunk the tests are so messed up
[14:51] <gary_poster> lp.services.webapp.tests.test_error.TestDatabaseErrorViews.test_operationalerror_view_integration failure happened again, which is unusual.  If it happens a third time, I'll say it is something new and different, and maybe repeatable...
[14:59] <gmb> gary_poster, I'll just grab a drink then I'll be right with you.
[15:00] <gary_poster> gmb, heh, ok, was just called away, but will be back in just a few myself
[15:11] <benji> frankban: how does one get /usr/bin/lp-lxc-ip installed?
[15:14] <frankban> benji: python setup.py install
[15:15] <benji> frankban: I'm confused.  Since lxcinstall requires it, shouldn't it get installed by it?
[15:16] <frankban> benji: detup.py install is actually called by `apt-get install lpsetup`, so the subcommands can assume the script to be there
[15:16] <frankban> s/detup/setup
[15:45] <benji> gary_poster: do I remember that we wanted to create bugs for the lpsetup cards as we got to them?  if so, I'll create one for the one I'm working on so I can attach the MP to it.
[15:45] <gary_poster> benji, yes, sounds great, thank you
[15:50] <gary_poster> benji, I looked through the code and thought it looked good at first blush.  Maybe we want frankban to do some starter reviews as we all get familiar with the code?
[15:50] <gary_poster> starter reviews == reviews that help us all get started, since he knows the code very well
[15:51] <benji> That sounds like a good idea.  We essentially did a pre-implementation call this morning because I treated my first branch as a prototype, this branch is the result of that call.
[15:57] <bac> gmb: any progress?
[15:57] <gmb> bac, Yes. It's fun stuff this. hang on, let me fire up the hangout again...
[15:58] <bac> rt
[16:00] <gmb> bac, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/cf98abf879ccb5bcaa52dc687ba22e9fe6fbabe3?authuser=0&hl=en-GB#
[16:07] <gary_poster> benji, ok, I'll just review it since you already have a preimp, I guess.  Maybe we can ask frankban for a follow-up later.  So, my belief/impression is that a lot of this stuff I can skim over because it is just moving code.  In that vein, can you help me identify what I should look at more carefully?  I'll go through and write what I see, and then you can look (live, or after I've gotten to the end and ping you)
[16:07] <gary_poster>  and see if you think I missed anything.
[16:08] <gary_poster> tags: ok :-)
[16:08] <gary_poster> inthost registration: cool
[16:08] <gary_poster> inithost subcommand is almost all just moving stuff around, except you have a new pattern:
[16:08] <gary_poster> define the steps as class globals
[16:08] <gary_poster> so other subclass commands can use them easily
[16:09] <benji> gary_poster: the inithost and initialize __init__s are the most important part; mostly code just moved from initialize to inithost; also "fetch" was broken out of one of the functions that moved and left behind
[16:09] <gary_poster> cool
[16:12] <gary_poster> benji, you say __init__ but I think you mean the "steps" attribute that the base class __init__ works with, yeah?
[16:12] <benji> gary_poster: ah, right: initialize doesn't have an __init__
[16:13] <gary_poster> cool
[16:13] <benji> or the other way around
[16:13] <gary_poster> neither one does I think
[16:13] <gary_poster> they both use the base class I think
[16:14] <benji> right, that was the prototype branch; it did some nasty things with slicing and dicing the install.steps to generate inithost.steps
[16:15] <gmb> bac, Changes pushed to the ~yellow branch.
[16:15] <bac> thanks!
[16:19] <gary_poster> benji, I approved, mentioning I'd like to see a testing story in the next branch.  Do you have thoughts on how to do that?
[16:19] <frankban> benji, gary_poster: I have some comments, do you prefer here or in the review?
[16:20] <benji> gary_poster: frankban and I had a potentially fruitful idea of using ephemeral lxc instances to run whole-machine tests of the subcommands
[16:20] <benji> we should think of why we want to test before deciding too firmly on what and how, though
[16:20] <gary_poster> frankban, in the review definitely, and here if you think it is valuable
[16:24] <gary_poster> benji, why: thoughtful and good point.  balancing goals with test speed might or might not be interesting too
[16:25] <gary_poster> (that is, I expect the lxc instance tests will be much slower than basic "are we doing the right thing" tests, but the former is much more thorough, and I question the value of the latter beyond a Python syntax check)
[16:26] <gary_poster> but I think we need to put the workaround in for 1014916 next; and then make our testing story, before we do anything else.
[16:28] <gary_poster> The ephemeral tests, unless they install launchpad and verify that it works, which would take an hour or so, would actually not be much better than the mock-based "did we do what we expected to do" tests...
[16:36] <bac> benji or gary_poster, would one of you have a moment to review the (excellent) work gmb and i have done to zope.testing?  https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/zope.testing/fix-tests/+merge/111442
[16:37]  * bac notes with horror i'm the lead contributor now to the lp:zope.testing project.  ugh.
[16:38] <gary_poster> I currently vote for the mock approach.
[16:38] <gary_poster> bac, reviewing
[16:39] <bac> thx
[16:50] <gary_poster> ooh, look, we can fix 1013921 without changes to zope.testing!  We just have to add -vv in our call to bin/test --subunit!
[16:51] <gary_poster> cool
[16:52] <gary_poster> hey bac, where does out zope.testing for take over __stdout__ for the subunit stream?
[16:54] <bac> gary_poster: in options.  when it instantiates the subunit formatter
[16:55] <gary_poster> ah!  right, thanks
[16:57] <gary_poster> bac, __stderr__ is overridden there but not __stdout__ right?
[16:59] <gary_poster> (I'm looking at p14 while staring at the MP)
[17:00] <frankban> gary_poster, benji: I've added suggestions to the MP, and  I hope they makes sense, because it's 7pm and hot as hell here in Italy...
[17:01] <gary_poster> frankban, :-) I skimmed them and they made since to me.  Go relax.  Thank you!
[17:06] <bac> gary_poster: yes, sys.__stderr__ and sys.stdout are overridden there.  and sys.__stdout__ is used by the subunit formatter as its output stream
[17:07] <gary_poster> bac, oh, I thought we had to override __stdout__ too but I was mistaken?
[17:07] <bac> we temporarily override it in some doctests
[17:08] <gary_poster> ah, ok
[17:09] <frankban> gary_poster: :-) thanks and have a nice evening.
[17:09] <benji> thanks frankban; stay cool
[17:10] <gary_poster> you too :-)
[17:12] <gary_poster> benji, I still see some stdout in subunit. :-/  try "lp.codehosting.sshserver.tests.test_session.Test_WaitForExit.test_dataReceived_bad_data" and you'll see "Got invalid exit information: 'bogus\\n'"
[17:13] <gary_poster> I'll make a card for it.  no biggie, hopefully
[17:13] <benji> goodness
[17:16] <gary_poster> (and in a similar "ugh" vein, "lp.services.webapp.tests.test_error.TestDatabaseErrorViews.test_operationalerror_view_integration" now fails consistently :-/
[17:16] <gary_poster> )
[17:16] <gary_poster> (it was intermittent; I'm assuming the cause is different)
[17:42] <gary_poster> bac, I approved https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/zope.testing/fix-tests/+merge/111442 with some relatively small requests
[17:42] <bac> gary_poster: cool
[17:45] <bac> gary_poster: interesting suggestion.  i'm happy to make the change.
[17:48] <gary_poster> cool
[17:54] <bac> gary_poster: i'm also making this trivial change: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1053030/
[17:55] <bac> as you can see, options.module can be True even if -m is not specified so the warning gets emitted erroneously sometimes
[17:55] <gary_poster> bac, ah, thanks yeah.  I've seen that behavior.  +1
[18:00] <bac> hmm, new drobo with thunderbold/usb3.  i'll bet that will be NotCheap
[18:01] <bac> "thunderbold" -- i should trademark that
[18:03] <gary_poster> bac, naah, there's a domain squatter there already http://thunderbold.com/
[18:03] <bac> dang
[18:03] <gary_poster> benji, I haven't taken lunch yet, and I'm feeling peckish.  And like I need a break.  Do you mind if we start a bit late on our call today?
[18:04] <benji> gary_poster: sure, that's fine
[18:04] <gary_poster> thank you
[18:39] <benji> anyone know how to run the docests in lpsetup?  nose doesn't run them by default and I get ImportError: No module named pkg_resources when I use --with-doctest
[18:56] <benji> arg! the doctests were decoys!  there are equivelent unit tests that /are/ actually run
[19:19] <gary_poster> yes, I think he left them as docs
[19:19] <gary_poster> benji, hey
[19:19] <benji> hey
[19:20] <gary_poster> benji https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2f068ac30c507beee7b6527c6dd4e8e857f25c81?authuser=1&hl=en-US ?
[19:29] <bac> gary_poster: when shall we talk?
[19:29] <gary_poster> bac, would 20 min from now be ok?
[19:29] <bac> gary_poster: post review changes: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1053150/
[19:30] <bac> gary_poster: ok.  16:00 is better
[19:30] <gary_poster> cool bac, will talk then
[20:02]  * bac goes for beverage
[20:06] <bac> yo yo gary
[20:10] <bac> gary_poster: you about?
[20:10] <gary_poster> bac hey https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2f068ac30c507beee7b6527c6dd4e8e857f25c81?authuser=1&hl=en-US sorry
[20:44] <gary_poster> bac, lines 191-193 of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1053150/ maybe unnecessary?
[20:46] <bac> gary_poster: yep.  good catch
[20:47] <gary_poster> cool
[20:48] <bac> gary_poster: actually it is called at line 213
[20:56] <benji> gary_poster: if you are so inclined you can review the changes I made in response to frankban's comments (https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/lpsetup/add-hostinit/+merge/111429) or we can wait for him to do so tomorrow
[20:58] <gary_poster> benji, looking
[21:06] <gary_poster> benji, I have an incident going on again in ops.  It looks like you did what you asked but I'm pretty distracted.  I'm happy to approve if you feel comfortable, but I can't focus. :-(
[21:06] <benji> gary_poster: no worries, lets let it ride until tomorrow
[21:06] <gary_poster> cool, benji, ttyl


[12:42] <Enverex> Can anyone explain the Karma change to me at least a little more than briefly?
[12:51] <LaserJock> Enverex: probably not
[12:51] <Enverex> Ah ok then, nevermind
[12:51] <LaserJock> Enverex: have you seen the wiki page about it?
[12:51] <Enverex> No...
[12:52] <LaserJock> hmm, let me dig up the URL real quick
[12:55] <LaserJock> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation is a general one
[12:56] <LaserJock> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07 is the specific one
[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #30900 in rosetta "can't remove an unavailable language from my preferences" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30900
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87933 in launchpad "package search doesn't find binary package names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87933
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87934 in launchpad-bazaar "sftp rename dir1 dir2 will rename dir1 => dir2/dir1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87934
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87945 in launchpad-bazaar "map distro package name to branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87945
[06:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: awww, but i wanted to work on Fooix the Wonder-Toaster!
[06:05] <LaserJock> yeah, too bad
[06:16] <ajmitch> has it gone?
[06:19] <mpt> No, but it will be gone in a few hours
[06:24] <Fujitsu> Aw...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> mpt: hehe!   ReviewerMeetingAgenda still says 1000 UTC
[10:14] <spiv> lifeless promised he'd have new meeting times by this time, but I suspect he didn't factor in his laptop breaking...
[10:15] <spiv> Hmm, thought it had been moved back an hour, like the bzrlp meeting.
[10:16] <spiv> I guess I'm imagining things.
[10:16] <spiv> BjornT: sorry about that, see you in 45 mins :)
[10:17] <BjornT> that's ok :) let's some some more people show up, though. although they probably won't, since i guess everyone else (except lifeless) are in north/south america...
[10:18] <spiv> Yeah.
[10:31] <sabdfl> mpt: needed to wait for CanonicalNames to land and shake out before we could collapse the terminology if distro/product/project
[10:32] <sabdfl> mpt, thumper: it will take a while for us to shake out how best to play with views of the data through a team lens
[10:32] <sabdfl> for example
[10:33] <sabdfl> sometimes you want to see all the data to which you are connected via a team membership
[10:33] <sabdfl> as thumper has been playing with in the branch view
[10:33] <sabdfl> sometimes, you want to see all the data associated with each team member individually
[10:33] <sabdfl> for example, in the blueprint system we have a page which lets you see the workload of each person in a team
[10:34] <sabdfl> sometimes you just want to see your own data, untainted by teams
[10:34] <sabdfl> let's experiment, figure out what works and write that up as best practice
[10:34] <sabdfl> so we can then enforce consistent terminology in the ui for each of these views
[11:04] <spiv> BjornT: my wrist is hurting... I'm going to have to skip the review meeting.
[11:09] <BjornT> spiv: that's ok. i had nothing to add to the agenda anyway, and my queue is under control.
[11:10] <danilos> carlos: hi
[11:10] <carlos> hey dude!
[11:11] <carlos> how was your trip ?
[11:11] <carlos> and your holidays?
[11:11] <carlos> -P
[11:11] <carlos> :-P
[11:11] <danilos> carlos: pretty nice, except for some Rio bits :)
[11:11] <danilos> carlos: btw, I managed to smuggle nokia in :)
[11:11] <carlos> cool
[11:11] <carlos> didn't they check it?
[11:11] <danilos> yeah
[11:12] <danilos> yeah, they checked, but I lost my form for "temporarily taking out" laptop as well, so that's what they concentrated on :)
[11:12] <carlos> :-P
[11:12] <danilos> (not to be mentioned that this is the first time they have actually checked my stuff :))
[11:13] <danilos> carlos: I've seen you had some problems getting back home? :)
[11:13] <carlos> did I?
[11:14] <carlos> danilos: it depends whether being in first class is a problem for you.... :-P
[11:14] <danilos> carlos: hahaha, no waaay
[11:15] <danilos> carlos: nice one, indeed... I remember reading that you only started working on Tuesday, but guess that's because you came tired in Monday from all the champange you drank in airplane :P
[11:15] <carlos> well, even being there, I was not able to sleep at all
[11:18] <danilos> carlos: yeah, right, you probably weren't tired enough
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88003 in malone "Bad layout in Activity log page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88003
[12:46] <cprov> good morning !
[12:48] <Hobbsee> morning cprov!
[01:21] <kiko> good morning
[01:22] <Hobbsee> morning kiko!
[01:48] <danilos> hey kiko
[01:48] <kiko> danilos!
[01:48] <kiko> hi Hobbsee
[01:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:48] <danilos> kiko: it's only one of me :P
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88024 in launchpad "expire team memberships failing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88024
[03:34] <mpascual> hi
[03:34] <mpascual> could I get any help on creating a new ubuntu translation group in rosetta?
[03:39] <mpascual> mmm
[03:39] <mpascual> I'll try again later
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88044 in launchpad-bazaar "mirror branch-puller should skip sftp and bzr+ssh" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88044
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88046 in launchpad-bazaar "Mirror branches pointing to launchpad.net should not be allowed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88046
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88048 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller oops summary should separate out user errors" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88048
[05:25] <jikanter> I am struggling using launchpad via email. I use mutt and would like to sign bug edits using my gnupg(pgp) key. For some reason, when I go to send a message, it give me this "malformed user id error".  any help would be appreciated. My launchpad personal page is here: https://launchpad.net/~jikanter/
[05:26] <kiko> jikanter, are you saying that mutt is giving you that error, or launchpad is replying back to you with that error?
[05:26] <jikanter> mutt is giving me this error, I have no problem encrypting files manually from the command line
[05:26] <kiko> jikanter, have you tried #mutt?
[05:26] <jikanter> no, thanks kiko will do that right now
[05:27] <kiko> cool.
[05:38] <jordi> hey guys
[05:39] <jordi> carlos: https://translations.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-eu should be ready to be added to ubuntu translators now
[05:39] <kiko> ho
[05:40] <jordi> oi kiko
[05:40] <jordi> dude I was thinking about you the other day
[05:40] <kiko> ah?
[05:40] <jordi> while categorising pics in f-spot
[05:40] <jordi> I realise most of my pics for Canonical conferences and stuff are with you
[05:40] <LarstiQ> heh
[05:41] <jordi> hey, no!
[05:41] <jordi> just because we woke earlier than the rest to do some good running all over the places
[05:41] <kiko> early waking up rocks
[05:41] <jordi> kiko: there's a few very good in Sydney, at that small harbour
[05:41] <kiko> yeah, that was so cool
[05:42] <kiko> jordi, are you going to UDS?
[05:42] <carlos> jordi: ok, thanks!
[05:42] <carlos> jordi: how's going?
[05:43] <jordi> kiko: the Seville conf?
[05:43] <jordi> guess not if I don't get an invitation/permission etc
[05:44] <jordi> carlos: hey man
[05:44] <kiko> jordi, hmmm
[05:44] <jordi> carlos: pretty cool, just came back from vacation!
[06:06] <n8k99> can bugs be added/edited via gmane?
[06:16] <n8k99> hello
[07:02] <carlos> n8k99: what's gmane?
[07:03] <sabdfl> it's a web-based mailing list and newsgroup interface, iirc
[07:03] <kiko-fud> right
[07:03] <sabdfl> n8k99: i don't believe so, no
[07:03] <sabdfl> is lp-beta looking hot today OR WHAT?
[07:04] <sabdfl> babe took almost all my loving over the weekend
[07:04] <sabdfl> there was nothing left for the scandi's...
[07:04] <n8k99> i can read the latest bugs at news.gmane.org
[07:04] <n8k99> if i subscribe in knode
[07:06] <n8k99> i know that sending bugs via email if they are signed with my key are said to work
[07:06] <n8k99> posts to the mailing list can be signed as well
[07:08] <LarstiQ> n8k99: hmm, where does gmane think the list resides?
[07:09] <LarstiQ> n8k99: since the to address is different for each bug
[07:10] <n8k99> just looked closer and its a read only mailing list
[07:12] <n8k99> gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.kubuntu
[07:12] <n8k99> so what i was thinking won't work as it is set up
[07:13] <LarstiQ> unless I'm misunderstanding the way gmane works, it isn't ever going to work either.
[07:13] <n8k99> i see
[07:14] <LarstiQ> s/work/is designed/ even
[07:14] <n8k99> huh?
[07:18] <LarstiQ> n8k99: substituting the one for the other, so it becomes: "unless I'm misunderstanding the way gmane is designed, it isn't ever going to work either.'
[07:20] <n8k99> oh thanks LarstiQ
[07:20] <Lutin> hay there. could some launchpad people have a look to support request #3888 ?
[07:21] <n8k99> is there a standalone app that can access launchpad or is it only through a web browser?
[07:25] <carlos> Lutin: you will need an admin for that, check the list at https://launchpad.net/~admins/+members
[07:27] <Lutin> carlos: ok, thanks
[07:30] <tsmithe> kiko-fud, thanks for setting up the ubuntustudio-project :)
[07:33] <shawarma> How does one become one of the launchpad beta testers?
[07:35] <shawarma> ..apart from applying to join the appropriate team on Launchpad, which I've of course already done.
[07:36] <shawarma> LOL! I *just* got an e-mail about it. Never mind.
[07:38] <LarstiQ> n8k99: I believe so, though I can't find the tool at the moment.
[07:39] <n8k99> LarstiQ: i would think such a tool would be great- at least just for dealing with malone
[07:39] <LarstiQ> it was malone I had in mind. For dealing with bazaar.launchpad.net, bzr copes fine ;)
[07:39] <shawarma> n8k99: I believe there was a SoC project about it. IIRC it's called soleil.
[07:39] <LarstiQ> but for malone I find I'm rather happy with the webinterface/mutt
[07:40] <n8k99> i know that kde has a program called bugbuster but i don't think it will access the launchpad bugs
[07:41] <jordi> I like how you guys have set the 1.0 beta test
[07:50] <sabdfl> thanks jordi
[07:50] <sabdfl> how's life?
[07:52] <Lutin> sabdfl: if you have a minute, could you have a look at support request #3888 please ?
[07:53] <sabdfl> Lutin: url? support requests numbers are product / distro specific
[07:53] <LarstiQ> https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3888
[07:54] <Lutin> sabdfl: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3888
[07:55] <LarstiQ> Lutin: have you read https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3915 ? It may not be the same problem though
[07:56] <LarstiQ> though it looks as though it isn't solved yet
[07:57] <Lutin> LarstiQ: I can't change myself, the nick is owned
[07:57] <LarstiQ> ugh
[07:58] <LarstiQ> Lutin: can you confirm the email adress of that user is not yours?
[07:59] <Lutin> LarstiQ: sure
[08:01] <sabdfl> Lutin: are you sure the user is not active?
[08:01] <sabdfl> his email address is confirmed...
[08:01] <Lutin> sabdfl: I tried to email him, but I got a mail delivery failure as the dns seems to be dead
[08:02] <Lutin> sabdfl: I've also searched wiki / doc / etc, didn't find anything
[08:03] <sabdfl> domain is not dead
[08:03] <sabdfl> maybe mail relay isn't setup
[08:03] <sabdfl> but the domain is active
[08:04] <Lutin> oh, ok, weird
[08:06] <Lutin> sabdfl: how can you see if it's active ?
[08:06] <sabdfl> whois domain.com
[08:14] <Lutin> sabdfl: do you think my nick can be changed as requested ?
[08:14] <sabdfl> Lutin: i will mail the current owner, ping me in a week, if there's been no reply i will change it
[08:15] <kiko> Lutin, sabdfl: what nick is this?
[08:16] <Lutin> kiko: i'm lutin- and would like to switch to lutin
[08:17] <kiko> Lutin, hang on.
[08:17] <Lutin> kiko: ok
[08:32] <stgraber> Hi there, I just did 1-2 mistakes with launchpad + bazaar, is there a way someone remove two of my branchs ? (one that's simply useless and buggy and the other which is a copy because of a name change)
[08:41] <kiko> Lutin, sabdfl: I'm going to do the renames now; lutin is a pure shipit user.
[08:41] <sabdfl> kiko: i've sent mail already
[08:41] <sabdfl> will be poor form to rename before he replies
[08:41] <kiko> okay.
[08:41] <sabdfl> if you'd caught me before mailing i'd have said +1
[08:42] <kiko> yeah, you can do that research to help make that call
[08:42] <sabdfl> how do i check if someone is just a shipit user?
[08:42] <kiko> I wrote a script with salgado's help
[08:42] <kiko> called list-person-references
[08:42] <kiko> you need to run it against staging of course
[08:42] <sabdfl> where do i run it?
[08:42] <kiko> on devpad
[08:42] <kiko> if you have staging access from there
[08:42] <sabdfl> do i have access to the staging db?
[08:42] <kiko> sabdfl, if you request it from stub and stub actually does it
[08:43] <kiko> he trashed permissions when moving to carbon apparently
[08:43] <kiko> so I lost mine; salgado ran the script for us
[08:43] <sabdfl> bitchy, for a man just returned from vacation :-)
[08:43] <kiko> well..
[08:44] <sabdfl> btw, there are only 3 major things i want to clean up before i start inviting people into LP beta group
[08:46] <Lutin> kiko, sabdfl okay, thanks
[08:47] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: one being the lack of submitter/date in the default bug view? </personal-gripe>
[08:48] <sabdfl> LarstiQ: i'm surprised that's not fixed, mpt and i discussed it a while back
[08:49] <sabdfl> should on the top of every bug page: Bug #23234, first reported by Foo Bar on 2006-12-13
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23234 in ntp "Time Synchronizing During Boot Never Works (dup-of: 20960)" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23234
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 20960 in ntp "ntpdate run on boot whether or not network configured yet" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/20960 - Assigned to Scott James Remnant (keybuk)
[08:49] <sabdfl> errr thanks ubugtu
[08:50] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: I believe mpt did say he was going to fix it one or two days ago
[08:50] <sabdfl> he landed something today, i'm surprised it was not in there
[08:51] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: rest assured I'll keep asking him about till it's fixed, it's the biggest annoyance I have with the beta (and just the missing date on the non-beta)
[09:24] <weed0r> hello guys
[09:24] <weed0r> I have a question, ive made the bug report -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/87859
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87859 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize] " [High,Needs info]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[09:24] <weed0r> could you please remove my coredump.gz from the bug report ?
[09:32] <weed0r> ?
[09:43] <Fujitsu> Hm, why on earth is that bug assigned to such a team?
[09:46] <weed0r> hmm is someone here who can help my removing this file from my bug report? I have some security reasons for requesting this..
[09:56] <matsubara> weed0r: please, file a request in https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket and I'll ask our DBA to remove it.
[09:57] <matsubara> weed0r: the fact that you can't remove the attachment yourself is bug 48771 and it's likely to be fixed soon.
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48771 in malone "It should be possible to delete attachments" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48771 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[09:59] <s|g> re
[09:59] <weed0r> thank you matsubara
[09:59] <s|g> maybe any launchpad admin is here online ?
[09:59] <weed0r> I will do this
[10:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:03] <s|g> mpt: hi
[10:04] <weed0r> matsubara I made a ticket -> Launchpad ticket       #3930 thanks for your help
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #3972 in launchpad "inactive products displayed on project page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3972
[10:25] <mpt> Seveas, is that a problem with Launchpad? If so, have you reported it?
[10:25] <mdz> I see a lot of attachments which end up as text/html when they should be text/plain...is text/html the default?
[10:27] <mdz> how is the MIME type chosen?
[10:31] <mpt> BjornT, ^^^
[10:35] <LarstiQ> morning mpt
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88156 in launchpad "Karma category names aren't localizable or easily updateable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88156
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88157 in launchpad "Karma category names need updating (e.g. "Specification Tracking", ) need updating and recapitalizing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88157
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88172 in malone "Reduce dataloss by combining HTML forms on bug page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88172


[02:14] <guiverc> arraybolt3, another day & no openbox crashes... (last was @Mar 16 09:46 my local time; then I switched to other DEs... then back to LXQt but xfwm4 instead of openbox... been using openbox again since your PPA)
[02:14]  * guiverc back shortly... box complaining it wants reboot for some reason...
[02:31] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Nice! I guess I'll upload the patch to the archive then.
[02:31] <arraybolt3> My brain needs a break from what I was going anyway (Bash script headache is setting in :P)
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Fix pushed to archive, should be rolling out soon if all goes well.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> (Here's hoping I have upload access to Openbox...)
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Darn. I don't.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> OK, so...
 "guiverc: Whenever you see this..." <- I just read this....  My prior update was just I felt it time... still no crashes till now too 🙂
[04:51] <arraybolt3> \o/
[04:52] <arraybolt3> I did some edge case testing a bit ago (I lack the proper upload rights so I'm trying to get the patch sponsored and other devs aren't quite sure the patch is correct - hopefully if it's not we'll catch it, and if it is, we'll get it into further testing soon)
[04:55] <guiverc> thanks arraybolt3, yeah I read the bug report log...   I could report my testing of your PPA 'fix' on that bug report if you feel worthwhile too
[04:56] <arraybolt3> That could be helpful, thanks!
[04:59] <guiverc> ack... i just started a QA test of lunar.. i'll complete that; feed birbs & write something post-that..


[09:46] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: garcon 4.17.1 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: supported-kernels-common: add allwinner-5.17 and starfive-5.17 @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=460c394a71eebd7d2f13ff30936bdd16143066aa (by Dimitri John Ledkov)
[18:14] <nicoz> o/*
[21:42] <bluesabre>  /o\
[21:51] <Unit193> Sounds like I've got work to do. :(
[21:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: See the mail from Phillip?


[22:35] <chrimbus> i just installed ubuntu studio. i'm trying to tweak the theme. installed both unity and gnome tweak tools... changing those settings doesn't work... what am i doing wrong?
[22:35] <chrimbus> i thought it was unity but tried gnome jic
[22:37] <krytarik> chrimbus: Studio is using Xfce as its DE.
[22:38] <chrimbus> doh!
[22:38] <chrimbus> what does DE stand for?
[22:39] <krytarik> Desktop Environment.  Also, there are tools for this installed by default already.
[22:47] <chrimbus> krytarik: thanks for your help
[22:47] <krytarik> Sure.
[22:47] <chrimbus> i see, i was thrown off by the way it looked. DL'
[22:47] <chrimbus> ing themes and installing now
[22:47] <chrimbus> n00b here ;)
[22:48] <MicroMars>
[22:50] <chrimbus> ok another question.. i'm trying to move a theme dir into the themes directory
[22:50] <chrimbus> ~/.local/share/themes
[22:50] <chrimbus> per this: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[22:50] <chrimbus> but i don't have /themes
[22:50] <krytarik> Yes, then just create it.
[22:51] <chrimbus> ok


[09:58] <ngaio> I filed an freeze exception request: Bug #1566218 . Please let me know if any more details are needed.
[21:19] <roaksoax> /w/win 4


[19:32]  * grantbow phablet-flash cdimage-touch
[19:33] <grantbow> I will have it ready for the Ubuntu Hour tonight in SF if anyone wants to play with it.
[19:33] <pleia2> awesome
[20:49] <grantbow> Anyone know how to relaunch the intro tour after dismissing it?
[20:49]  * pleia2 asks around
[20:52] <grantbow> I guess #ubuntu-touch should be the right place, right?
[20:53] <pleia2> maybe, I just asked in #ubuntu-community-team but people seem to be asleeping :)
[20:53] <grantbow> it's always morning somewhere :)
[20:57] <grantbow> I can't get the ssh server installed without going through the demo first, darn it.
[20:57] <akk> That seems like a strange limitation.
[20:59] <grantbow> plars responded in #ubuntu-touch, hurray!
[20:59] <pleia2> grantbow: what's the solution?
[21:00] <grantbow> gotta test it first :)
[21:17] <grantbow> so I created ./bin/demo and put two lines it in. "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set str
[21:17] <grantbow> ing:com.canonical.unity.AccountsService string:demo-edges variant:boolean:true"
[21:17] <grantbow> and: sudo -iu phablet /sbin/restart unity8
[21:18] <akk> How intuitive!
[21:18] <grantbow> three if you count #!/bin/sh
[21:18] <grantbow> it worked
[21:19] <akk> Maybe they might want to think about making that a little easier ...
[21:20] <grantbow> I can blog it to planet for now though - I'm sure others would like to be able to do the same thing.
[21:20] <grantbow> I haven't put anything on the planet in a long time
[21:35] <grantbow> see you at ubuntu hour, I'll blog it later


[02:22] <ion> crankharder: https://github.com/ion1/workaround-upstart-snafu
[22:36] <saruman_> can you use any word value for an 'emits' stanza and then use it as an event identifier in a 'starts on' stanza ?
[22:36] <saruman_> so if i wanted to modify mysql.conf and add emits mysql, would i then be able to use that in a different .conf as starts on mysql ?


[00:35] <brousch> But 16.04 will be out any day now
[00:37] <rick_h_> 21st
[00:37] <rick_h_> coming fast
[01:04] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:05] <cmaloney> Anyone around for the meeting?
[01:05] <cmaloney> raise your hands if you are
[01:05]  * rick_h_ is around but just because vs a meeting
[01:06] <cmaloney> heh
[01:06] <cmaloney> Well, I have some good news
[01:06] <rick_h_> party time?
[01:06] <cmaloney> The Release party is on Friday at 8pm at Penguicon
[01:07] <cmaloney> I'll be adding it to our page in the next few days
[01:07] <cmaloney> so, muppet hands
[01:08] <cmaloney> additionally there will be some swag there.
[01:08] <cmaloney> We have stickers and lanyards
[01:08] <cmaloney> first come, first served
[01:10] <cmaloney> *muppet hands*
[01:10] <cmaloney> and I've picked up ribbons to hand out.
[01:10] <cmaloney> first 25 folks get a ribbon
[01:11] <cmaloney> So, if you like getting stuff, this will be something to look forward to. :)
[01:11]  * jrwren raises hand
[01:11] <cmaloney> (no CDs because it's 2016)
[01:13] <cmaloney> Any questions / comments?
[01:17] <cmaloney> That's all i have for now
[01:17] <rick_h_> go parties
[01:20] <cmaloney> woo
[01:20] <cmaloney> woo
[12:50] <ColonelPanic001> friday at eight, nice
[12:51] <ColonelPanic001> neat, I'm not volunteering at that time, so I might be there
[12:52] <ColonelPanic001> though it does overlap with the PAM: You're Doing It Wrong talk
[13:48] <cmaloney> If you've been doing ot wrong all this time why stop now? :)
[20:31] <rick_h_> dammit! it's snowing again
[20:31]  * rick_h_ is hating this dippy state more and more
[20:32] <cmaloney> Now now...
[20:32] <cmaloney> You need to lower your expectations. :)
[20:32] <cmaloney> and stop checking Portland's weather.
[20:33] <rick_h_> no, I've given up on portland
[20:33] <cmaloney> uh oh
[20:33] <rick_h_> west coast timezone sucks too much to work in
[20:33] <cmaloney> Heh
[20:33] <greg-g> don't work for a UK company :)
[20:33] <rick_h_> at least in any sort of globally distributed company
[20:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: well, it's just UK, it's EU, AU, NZ, east coast, MTN, and west
[20:33] <rick_h_> ugh
[20:34] <greg-g> yeah, we only have 1 person in AUS, and the only people in India are on the same team (sadly, it makes them really isolated :/)
[20:34] <rick_h_> wake up at 6am and so much crap waiting for you, no real overlap. "Well, I saw a subject line about that topic we're on this call about...but I've not had a chance to read it yet since it's 6am!"
[20:35] <greg-g> yeah, that's fun, it really is a problem with people not sending meeting invites in time :)
[20:35] <greg-g> but yeah
[20:35] <rick_h_> so yea, I'm done with my west coast longing. Well, I'll long, but I'll get over it easier
[20:35] <greg-g> eastern is better in that regard
[20:35] <rick_h_> well eastern is the 'middle' as it works out so you get a bit of the best of both
[20:35]  * greg-g nods
[20:36] <rick_h_> it's the one guy in dubai that kills me
[20:36] <greg-g> what offset is he?
[20:36] <rick_h_> but it's one person, I get up early once a week and call it done
[20:36] <rick_h_> +4
[20:36] <greg-g> uhhhhhhggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:36] <rick_h_> yep
[20:36] <rick_h_> so Tues mornings I get up at 5:30 to get on a call at 6am est with him and it's his EOD
[20:37] <rick_h_> but everyone else I can work out ok. AU folks get my afternoon/early evenings, EU get my mornings, etc


[02:28] <blackmoon-105> hi, i'd want to keep updated and fix bugs for the freepops package (i want to be a mantainer), i've already create a project on launchpad for this.
[02:30] <blackmoon-105> now i must only download the source code from ubuntu fix it and reupload?
[02:33] <micahg> blackmoon-105: it would actually be best if you have an interest in a single package to work with the Debian maintainer and have all the uploads go through Debian except if a fix has to get in before a deadline
[02:33] <persia> blackmoon-105, And to be clear, no we're not trying to make you run through a maze.
[02:33] <persia> The *best* way to maintain a single package is to work on it upstream and ensure it works well in Ubuntu.
[02:34] <persia> This is made easier if you work in Debian, as it eases communication with the Debian maintainer.
[02:34] <persia> This is also made easier if you have handy access to the upstream code changes, which is why you might set up a vcs-import branch on LP, so you can cherrypick.
[02:34] <persia> *but* if you just want to fix a bug, you can do that in Ubuntu ignoring all the rest of it.
[02:35] <persia> We MOTU tend to focus on the bugfixes, rather than any sort of package maintenance.  We fix the bugs in Ubuntu, and try our hardest to ensure the bugs are fixed in other places.  Because of this, we often recommend *starting* in the other places, because then the bug only has to be fixed once.
[02:39] <blackmoon-105> persia: i tought to maintain it for keep the pakage updated
[02:40] <blackmoon-105> and other minor fixes
[02:40] <persia> Yes, a package maintainer will keep the package updated and perform minor fixes.
[02:40] <blackmoon-105> because freepops from ubuntu repo doesn't work as well
[02:41] <persia> But there are no maintainers in Ubuntu.
[02:41] <persia> So, we're happy to help you with specific tasks (fixing a bug, updating the package), but we're likely to encourage you to take each change and coordinate with the Debian maintainer and the upstream developers.
[02:42] <blackmoon-105> i'ma alreandy in contact with th debian developer
[02:42] <persia> If you're working on *lots* of packages, you'll fit in fine.  If you are working only on one package, you'd probably find working directly with upstream (being their liaison into Ubuntu), and with the Debian maintainer (watching Ubuntu bugs, forwarding patches, coordinating, etc.) more satisfying.
[02:42] <persia> Excellent.
[02:43] <persia> So, easiest way to handle things from an Ubuntu perspective is to make the package perfect in Debian, and file a sync request
[02:43] <persia> !sync
[02:43] <blackmoon-105> i'm workin ganly with this package and i've got the working ones in my ppa..
[02:44] <blackmoon-105> i've already submitted all patches to the debiam mantainer but
[02:45] <blackmoon-105> the apply of the changs is not standard
[02:45] <blackmoon-105> and without a trick are not applied in ubuntu
[02:46] <blackmoon-105> wich build a debian version without the ubuntu changes
[02:46] <persia> What?
[02:46] <persia> Which package?
[02:47] <blackmoon-105> freepops
[02:49] <persia> So, the latest version I see in debian is .02.9-4.2, which is the same as the latest version I see in Ubuntu.
[02:49] <persia> Did it not build correctly?  What went wrong?
[02:50] <blackmoon-105> persia: no it's build correctly..
[02:50] <blackmoon-105> but it doest work fine
[02:50] <blackmoon-105> for example
[02:51] <blackmoon-105> freepops it's a demon wich start at boot but in ubuntu without the patch doesn't do it
[02:52] <blackmoon-105> then
[02:53] <blackmoon-105> some other minix thinng like the entries in the menu (for the plugin updater) are not shown in k/ubuntu
[02:54] <blackmoon-105> if you grab the source
[02:55] <blackmoon-105> under the buildfactory directory you'll see a  "debian-ubuntu" and "debian-ubuntu-dapper"
[02:57] <blackmoon-105> for get the pakage to work correclty con content of this directories must be copied under "debian" dir before compile it
[02:57] <blackmoon-105> once at time
[02:58] <persia> What?  Why?
[02:58] <persia> There should exist a debian/ directory that works well for both Debian and Ubuntu.  All the other packages have one.
[02:58] <blackmoon-105> persia: it should...
[02:59] <persia> Can you create one that works?
[03:00] <blackmoon-105> yes i've created a working packages for all release of ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~marco/+archive/freepops
[03:02] <persia> blackmoon-105, Does that package work also for Debian?
[03:03] <blackmoon-105> persia: i don't know
[03:04] <blackmoon-105> persia: i know only that debian work fine with the standard version of the package
[03:17] <blackmoon-105> persia: do you think the there is a way for fix it?
[03:20] <blackmoon-105> this is one of the reasons why I asked if I could be the package maintainer (or working directly with the ubuntu team)
[03:25] <persia> blackmoon-105, Sorry: got distracted by local events.
[03:26] <persia> I suspect there is a way to fix it so that it can work with one debian/ directory for both Debian and Ubuntu.
[03:26] <persia> What trick is missing?
[03:27] <blackmoon-105> the trick is to copy (with "make -C buildfactory debian-dsc-ubuntu") the contents of "debian-ubuntu" in "debian"
[03:28] <blackmoon-105> the same for "debian-ubuntu-dapper" (when build the dapper packege)
[03:28] <persia> Ah, that's not something we can do.
[03:32] <blackmoon-105> persia: the only thing maybe is to get the debian source and apply the ubuntu pathes every time before build...
[03:33] <persia> I'm looking at the differences in debian/ for your maverick version to the version we ship in maverick.
[03:33] <persia> You've removed the build-dep-indep on luadoc: does that not affect building documentation?
[03:34] <persia> You've added a dependency on the "menu" package: best to get this from ${misc:Depends} or not at all.  Note that the menu package is not used at all in the production of menus by default for any Ubuntu flavour.
[03:35] <persia> You've added some manual stuff to the postinst: are you sure this wouldn't be better handled with dh_installinit?
[03:36] <persia> Importantly, you appear to be ignoring the user feedback from debconf about whether they want freepops to run as a daemon, which seems unfriendly.
[03:36] <persia> You've removed the comments from the debconf templates: not sure why.
[03:37] <persia> You've added a .desktop file: *excellent*.  Note that you don't have to add usr/share/applications to *dirs: putting it in *install is sufficient.
[03:38] <persia> We don't generally like tools that download random code from the internet, so the freepops-updater scripts aren't very interesting.  We'd prefer to see the plugins packaged, and the updates available managed through the repository.
[03:39] <persia> There's fuzziness in the translations: this ought be fixed.
[03:41] <persia> You may find using "install -D -m 644 modules/src/winsystray/freepops-32.xpm ${CURDIR}/debian/freepops/usr/share/pixmaps/freepops.xpm" and similar more satisfying in debian/rules, but it's lots easier to use freepops.install and install with that (man dh_install)
[03:42] <persia> So, in summary, I think you can achieve your goal of getting it to show in the menu more easily by submitting the .desktop files to Debian, and installing them with dh_install.
[03:43] <persia> You may want to discuss the postinst, and what might be happening with the debian maintainer.  I suspect that the default is to not start the daemon (which is both normal and correct), and since Ubuntu doesn't show unimportant questions, the user is never asked, so it never starts.
[03:43] <blackmoon-105_> opps
[03:43] <persia> Does all that make sense?
[03:44] <blackmoon-105_> now i check..
[03:49] <blackmoon-105_> persia: but without the menu package this work again?
[03:50] <persia> The menu package has to do with the .menu files, not .desktop files.  Completely unrelated to the change you are trying to accomplish.
[03:51] <blackmoon-105_> ah ok
[03:52] <blackmoon-105_> i don't have understand this: Importantly, you appear to be ignoring the user feedback from debconf about whether they want freepops to run as a daemon, which seems unfriendly.
[03:53] <blackmoon-105_> [sorry but i'm very tired, here are 5 a.m.]
[03:53] <persia> Feel free to take a break and ask again later if you'll be more productive.
[03:53] <persia> So, you modified the postinst.
[03:53] <persia> And ou commented out the line that checked the value from db_get freepops/init
[03:54] <persia> And then you *always* run the invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d calls.
[03:54] <blackmoon-105_> i've i've modified postinit because with the standard one the demon doesn't start..
[03:54] <persia> But the user is asked by debconf "Start freepopsd automatically after each boot?" and you should only start it when they answer "yes".
[03:55] <persia> It's not starting because the user is answering no by default.
[03:55] <persia> Which is correct behaviour.
[03:55] <persia> The other way to do it is to remove the debconf question, and use dh_installinit.
[03:55] <persia> But the debconf question is there for a reason: you might ask the debian maintainer.
[03:56] <persia> Note that the user can get it to start on every subsequent boot with `dpkg-reconfigure -plow freepops` and answering the question "Yes".
[03:56] <blackmoon-105_> ah ok
[04:00] <blackmoon-105_> persia: other things?
[04:00] <persia> hrm?
[04:01] <blackmoon-105_> there are other things to report?
[04:02] <persia> Not that I see obviously.
[04:02] <blackmoon-105_> ok :)
[04:02] <persia> But if you talk with the Debian maintainer, and investigate each of your changes, I'm sure you'll get better feedback there.
[04:03] <persia> If you don't understand something, or behaviour is different in Debian and Ubuntu and you don't understand why, feel free to ask here.  We're always happy to help.
[04:03] <persia> And thanks a lot for trying to fix this package.
[04:05] <blackmoon-105_> the changes i've made are all submitted to debian developer wich have uploaded cvs and he say to me to do "make -C buildfactory debian-dsc-ubuntu"
[04:06] <blackmoon-105_> i know that he used this tecnique also for build packagese for debian etch
[04:08] <persia> blackmoon-105_, Is there a reason that the changes are not suitable for Debian directly?
[04:10] <blackmoon-105_> maybe because some libraries wiche are not present in the old releses of debian are build staticaly inside the demon
[04:10] <blackmoon-105_> and in the earlier version are used as external packeas
[04:10] <blackmoon-105_> *packages
[04:11] <blackmoon-105_> if i remember goog, this is the reason of this thing
[04:13] <persia> Where is that in your changes?  I didn't see it, or is it in 2.9.5 and new from 2.9.4?
[04:15] <blackmoon-105_> no this is on old change
[04:16] <blackmoon-105_> this thing came with one of first release..
[04:18] <blackmoon-105_> sorry but now i must to go to sleep because i'm veeery tired...
[04:18] <blackmoon-105_> thank oyu very much for help :)
[04:19] <persia> Sleep well.
[04:19] <blackmoon-105_> thank you
[04:19] <blackmoon-105_> bye :)
[07:17] <udienz> micahg, around?
[07:30] <goesspoerr> !ping
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[09:43] <kklimonda> tumbleweed: oh, btw - you did sponsor two of my hamster-applet uploads afair. Would you mind commenting on my motu application?
[09:43] <kklimonda> (I do seem to gather endorsments at a really slow pace :/)
[09:45] <tumbleweed> kklimonda: sure
[09:45] <kklimonda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KrzysztofKlimonda/MOTUApplication
[09:47] <kklimonda> if you need bug numbers I think I can dig them out - I don't keep as good track of them as ari-tczew, but I did gather what I could find.
[14:44] <tumbleweed> geser: yay, web_link was on my todo list :)
[14:58] <geser> tumbleweed: there is one occurance left: in manage-credentials before the function can be removed
[15:55] <udienz> does anyone interest to maintain poedit in Debian?
[15:56] <micahg> udienz: did you need something?
[15:56] <udienz> this packages is orphaned, see debian bug 607749
[15:56] <udienz> micahg, this packages is outdated. i'm totally care this package, because i use this package
[15:57] <udienz> for translating
[15:58] <tumbleweed> udienz: looks like there's an adopter in the wings. debian bug 543856
[15:58] <micahg> yep
[15:58] <micahg> and a new version on mentors.d.n
[15:59] <udienz> glad to hear that, so we can sync easily
[16:01] <akoskm> hi! I'm building more packages within a single rules file with two *.install files, after the build finished and the packages are getting generated dh_duilddeb is adding "all" after the version number and before .deb in the package names, how can I avoid this? The packages names are differ so I don't need that extra "all" in them.
[16:01] <udienz> micahg, sorry about bug 712918, i have problem in database, well i'm not very good in database
[16:01] <udienz> so i'm not confident to take care phpwiki
[16:02] <micahg> udienz: ok, no problem, should I file for removal then?
[16:02] <udienz> micahg, ok, and thanks
[16:03] <udienz> i will try to update other software
[16:03] <micahg> udienz: that would be great, thanks
[16:04] <udienz> micahg, anyway what your suggest about 717168, we will waiting from debian or upgrading it?
[16:05] <udienz> rrr bug 717168
[16:05] <akoskm> nevermind, that was so lame. I have to admit
[16:05] <micahg> udienz: it's on mentors, if it can get sponsored in the next 2 weeks, that would be good
[16:10] <udienz> tumbleweed, is pull-debian-source need debian-keyring package? after i do pulling from debian an packages won't extracted, and tells me to install debian-keyrings. why debian-keyrings not Suggested in d/control?
[16:13] <tumbleweed> hmm, it probably should be. or it should only check the sig when it can't get the dsc from lp
[16:14] <udienz> tumbleweed, yup. failed when check the signature
[16:16] <tumbleweed> udienz: file a bug and I'll sort it
[16:20] <udienz> tumbleweed, done. bug 717245
[18:59] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone explain this FTBFS to me: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/64059164/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.git-buildpackage_0.5.19_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:08] <ScottK> AnAnt: I'd guess something's up at gbp/git.py line 502, but I didn't look at the source.
[19:10] <AnAnt>         except ValueError, err:
[19:19] <geser> when I look at http://git.debian.org/?p=users/agx/git-buildpackage.git;a=blob;f=gbp/git.py;h=1ecab9f1767dc124bc3d77273518dbac1e60a8e3;hb=HEAD#l502 I don't see why it should fail
[19:20] <geser> barry: ^^ any idea on this?
[19:23] <AnAnt> I suspect pychecker or python2.7 (or the mix of both)
[19:24] <AnAnt> there was a problem in pychecker with python2.7 , but that got fixed upstream (& uploaded to natty)
[19:28] <AnAnt> got to sleep
[19:28] <AnAnt> bye
[19:55] <barry> geser, AnAnt: looks like a bogus pychecker warning to me
[20:26] <Rhonda> Hmm, having troubles creating a cowbuilder chroot …
[20:27] <Rhonda> sudo cowbuilder --create --basepath ./natty --distribution natty --mirror http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[20:28] <Rhonda> That gives me a lot of "ln: creating hardink `/var/cache/.../$package': File exists" messages.
[20:29]  * Rhonda tries sudo rm /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache/*.deb
[20:49] <Rhonda> humpf, now it fails with "Package 'cowdancer' has no installation candidate"


[03:45] <bittin> Is it possible to push some Swedish translations to the 23.10 installer a few days after the Beta? been sick and barely been at a computer
[04:09] <bittin> saw that the deadline is 28th September for that translation so hopefully it can be merged from weblate, and built into a daily updated Beta iso
[14:23] <guruprasad> Hi Ubuntu dev team, I found an issue with the IPython package in mantic (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipython/+bug/2037286) which is affecting its consumers like the lptools package. The issue has been reported upstream recently and a fix has been merged. What would be the process to get the fix in mantic?
[14:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2037286 in lptools (Ubuntu) "lp-shell ipython instance throws error when typing open parenthesis" [Undecided, New]
[14:24] <guruprasad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipython/+bug/2037286/comments/2 has the details of the upstream issue and the fix.
[14:25] <seb128> guruprasad, hey, try to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess to propose the fix
[14:26] <seb128> guruprasad, but basically subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug and bonus point/more chace to get it uploaded if you do the package update (add tags to the patch, update the changelog, provide a debdiff)
[14:27] <guruprasad> seb128, thanks! I will check that out. This is very helpful because I am totally new to all this. :)
[14:29] <seb128> guruprasad, subscribing ubuntu-sponsors will make it listed on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html , then doing extra work on the packaging to get it closer of being uploadable makes it easier for the sponsor
[14:32] <guruprasad> seb128, will do.
[14:33] <seb128> thanks
[15:36] <bdmurray> guruprasad: I think bug 2037134 is a duplicate of your bug. ;-)
[15:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2037134 in lptools (Ubuntu) "exception with lp-shell and ipython" [Medium, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037134


[05:42] <inetpro> goeie more
[05:54] <chesedo> dag inetpro and all others
[06:13] <Kilos> 0/
[06:14] <Kilos> evening superfly
[06:14] <Kilos> bed time for you
[06:14] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[06:21] <chesedo> hi oom Kilos
[06:21] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[06:35] <paddatrapper> \o
[06:35] <theblazehen> Morning
[06:36] <paddatrapper> morning theblazehen, chesedo, Kilos
[06:38] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper theblazehen inetpro
[06:52] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[06:52] <inetpro> you are late
[06:53] <Kilos> yeah was outside killing ants
[06:53] <Kilos> house was riddled with ants everywhere now slowly i getting rid of them
[06:54] <inetpro> cool, how are you doing it
[06:55] <Kilos> cypermethrin and sugar water poured into every nest
[06:55] <inetpro> ants are a real big problem
[06:55] <inetpro> but how do you find the nest?
[06:55] <Kilos> this way you get rid of whole nests at a time
[06:55] <MaNI> just follow the trail? lol
[06:56] <Kilos> you find an ant carrying some food back to nest and follow him and see the whole he goes into
[06:56] <Kilos> hehe
[06:56] <inetpro> ah, so that is where you spend all your time these days?
[06:57] <Kilos> when i got here you had to eat a sarmy immediately or it go cover in ants, now even a chocolate can be left open on a table
[06:57] <Kilos> im trying to clear the whole surrounding area as well
[06:58] <Kilos> the tings were in the walls and ceiling even
[06:58] <inetpro> well done!
[06:58] <Kilos> every crack in plaster and paint and every tiny hole had ants in
[06:59] <inetpro> sjoe, sounds real bad
[06:59] <Kilos> they even bore through plaster them little thing
[07:00] <Kilos> lekker inside now but they like making new colonies in paving every few days so its an ongoing battle
[07:01] <MaNI> you should try the borax/sugar thing - apparently they take it all back to the colony with them and then it kills them from the inside
[07:02] <Kilos> i gotta be away a bit
[07:02] <Kilos> ian needs teamviewer
[07:09] <Kilos> yay done
[07:09] <Kilos> ill look into the borax thing ty MaNI
[07:50] <nsnzero> morning all
[08:04] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[08:14] <inetpro> Kilos: just go after the queen
[08:15] <inetpro> the queen is the only ant that can lay eggs
[08:31] <Kilos> yes inetpro but she is deep in the hole and im not digging to hunt
[08:32] <Kilos> better just kill the whole nest
[09:20] <Langjan> Hi everybody
[09:28] <Langjan> Kilos, did you sort the welders out?
[09:29] <inetpro> goeiemore Langjan
[09:30] <inetpro> he's probably hunting ants
[09:31] <Langjan> Hello inetpro how are you doing?
[09:31] <inetpro> good and yourself?
[09:31] <Langjan> Very well thks
[09:31] <Langjan> Bosveld s pragtig na al die reën
[09:31] <inetpro> 01/12 08:52:46 <inetpro> you are late
[09:31] <inetpro> 01/12 08:53:07 <Kilos> yeah was outside killing ants
[09:32] <Langjan> you were right about the ants inetpro
[09:32] <inetpro> mooi man, hoop ons kry nog opvolg reen
[09:32] <Langjan> Ja, amen!
[09:32] <Langjan> Kilos, you must weld their burrows
[09:34] <Langjan> A q for the geeks plse re backup utility
[10:07] <Kilos> lol
[10:07] <Kilos> whats the prob Langjan
[10:07] <Kilos> there is dejadup
[10:12] <Langjan> Hi Kilos Yes its about dejadup
[10:12] <Langjan> It stores backups in a compacted format
[10:13] <Langjan> then its difficult to find anything
[10:14] <Langjan> you seem to have to restore everything - seems like an overkill in many situations
[10:14] <Langjan> gotta go have lunch quickly
[10:15] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:25] <Langjan> Seems much easier to just manually backup home folder
[10:26] <Kilos> yip
[10:26] <Kilos> i used dejadup once and it worked well i think
[10:26] <Kilos> not sure how it did the backup but i was impressed
[10:29] <Langjan> Impressed by what?
[10:32] <Kilos> it did a good job iirc but forgotten how i used it
[10:32] <Kilos> it backup up everything i think including passwords etc
[10:32] <Kilos> and settings
[10:33] <Langjan> OK well it seems to be a waste of time because all that is done when I back up home folder
[10:33] <Kilos> lol
[10:34] <Langjan> Lmga, but seriously!
[10:34] <Kilos> how do you backup /home
[10:35] <jerit_> mv -f /home /backup ?
[10:35] <jerit_> or maybe
[10:35] <Langjan> Copy and paste.
[10:35] <jerit_> sudo mv -f /home /backup
[10:36] <Kilos> i use rsync
[10:36] <Langjan> I just right- click on folder and copy
[10:36] <Langjan> then paste where I want it to be backed up, external or storage drive
[10:37] <Kilos> and next  week?
[10:37] <Kilos> same thing into same place?
[10:37] <Kilos> rsync syncs the changes
[10:38] <jerit_> who has the money to buy enough storage to backup every week
[10:38] <Kilos> rsync just adds changes to same backup
[10:38] <Langjan> Depends, if there is something I want to keep like .thunderbird, I can paste it separately the delete home and replace with new version
[10:39] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /home/ /media/miles/backup/
[10:40] <Langjan> I usually do it once a month and in between do what comes up
[10:40] <Langjan> What does that do Kilos ?
[10:40] <Kilos> it syncs whats missing into your backup
[10:41] <Langjan> OK handy gadget
[10:41] <Kilos> can be done daily even for totallly up to date backup
[10:41] <MaNI> with a dedup filesystem you could in theory backup quite frequently without it bloating completely out of proportion
[10:42] <Kilos> yeah dejadup had that function to do it automagically iirc
[10:44] <Langjan> OK guys going to charge my batteries, playing a competition this afternoon, take good care
[10:44] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:44] <Langjan> thks Kilos
[10:44] <Kilos> good luck
[10:44] <Langjan> dankie
[10:44] <Kilos> play well
[10:45] <Kilos> ain properly
[10:45] <Kilos> aim
[10:45] <Langjan> Will try but those bowls keep going skew...
[10:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:45] <Langjan> serious
[10:45] <Langjan> lmga
[10:46] <Kilos> yes man thats where you gotta member how much they turn and where
[10:46] <Langjan> Keep forgetting
[10:46] <Kilos> lol
[10:46] <Langjan> whats the name of that condition?
[10:46] <Kilos> go rest
[10:46] <Langjan> mooi loop my vriend
[10:46] <Kilos> altzies
[10:46] <Langjan> ja
[10:46] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[10:46] <Langjan> so iets
[10:46] <Langjan> wat nou weer?
[10:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:54] <Kilos> hmm... scrappy net connection
[12:01] <jerit_> Since my bitcoin investment doubled, I withdrew my initial deposit (deposit = x, value reached x*2 so I withdrew x) ... basically gave me x value invested for free and so now that I've got my initial commitment back, I find I'm not so worried anymore about how the investment is doing
[12:03] <MaNI> thats usually a good strategy for things that are similar to gambling :)
[12:07] <jerit_> Gambling would be if I'd invested with the hope that it'd become profitable after I put my money in
[12:08] <jerit_> as it is, it was already profitable when I put my money in
[12:12] <jerit_> wish I had more income so I can buy property to rent out. Easy R6k income per month
[12:31] <MaNI> I wasn't specifically saying it was gambling, bitcoin is a high risk investment, not gambling, though there are some parallels between the two.
[12:32] <MaNI> was just saying that this strategy works also in gambling situations, and isn't a bad one to employ on a high risk investment either.
[13:48] <jerit_> MaNI how weird is that then... My first ever actual investment is in a high risk vehicle haha
[13:48] <jerit_> and I even crushed it as well
[13:48] <jerit_> Didn't have a lot to invest so I haven't made a lot of money either but still, I'm up at least 200 bucks which given my cashflow situation as a whole, is not insignificant
[13:55] <MaNI> right
[13:56] <MaNI> I've made quite a bit on bitcoin myself, so it is pretty nifty
[13:58] <MaNI> but nonetheless high risk, think of the people who bought while it was up at R16500 - they definitely aren't happy right now, hehe
[13:59] <MaNI> being somewhat sensible helps a lot though
[14:22] <jerit_> if they didn't sell when they saw it drop, they deserve to lose it
[17:00] <Kilos> sigh, bad bad internet, and telkom says they are investigating it. since december already
[17:00] <Kilos> sigh
[17:00] <Kilos> more is nog n dag
[19:11] <Langjan> Hi guys, just been watching Voetspore in Madagascar on TV2, interestingly Johan Badenhorst and his team are using Ubuntu.
[19:11] <Langjan> On their laptops
[19:12] <Langjan> Also check this: https://bartongeorge.io/2017/01/09/welcome-the-new-ubuntu-based-precision-line-up-mobile-workstations-plus-a-new-all-in-one/
[19:28] <Kilos> wow
[19:29] <Kilos> clever van der merwes
[19:30] <Langjan> Hi Kilos jys seker reg vir die bed oom
[19:31] <Kilos> ja lankal maar ian is nog ie tuis nie en ek het die groot hek se remote
[19:31] <Kilos> ai!
[19:31] <Kilos> kinders
[19:31] <Langjan> ek ook, lang dag
[19:31] <Langjan> ai
[19:32] <Kilos> my internet was siek vandag
[19:32] <Kilos> ure af gewees
[19:32] <Langjan> Dis lastig
[19:32] <Kilos> ja groot pein
[19:32] <Kilos> hoekom is jy so laat wakker
[19:33] <Kilos> het jy gewen?
[19:33] <Langjan> Ek slaap nooit voor so 10:30 na 11 nie
[19:33] <Langjan> ons het altwee gewen dankie
[19:33] <Kilos> oh ja hulle se ouer mense het minder slaap nodig
[19:33] <Langjan> parespel mans en dames
[19:33] <Kilos> mooi so man
[19:33] <Langjan> jy sal weet...
[19:33] <Kilos> goed gedoen
[19:34] <Langjan> dankie
[19:34] <Langjan>  finals on tuesday
[19:34] <Kilos> sjoe dan moet jy goed uitrus
[19:34] <Kilos> seker lam in die arm
[19:34] <Langjan> Speel die naweek teen Mpumalanga in Witrivier
[19:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:35] <Langjan> ry more 09:30
[19:35] <Kilos> besig ne
[19:35] <Kilos> pc kry kans om te rus
[19:35] <Langjan> Ja hou ons uit kattekwaad. kon jy die sweisers regkry?
[19:36] <Kilos> nie eers ou weer lekker
[19:36] <Langjan> ?
[19:36] <Kilos> nie vandag gekyk nie
[19:36] <Langjan> ok
[19:37] <Kilos> was ietwat moeg
[19:37] <Langjan> ai
[19:37] <Kilos> maar nou weer lekker
[19:37] <Langjan> hoop Ian kom gou latjy kan gaan slaap
[19:37] <Kilos> ek ook ja dankie
[19:37] <Kilos> kinders dink nie
[19:37] <Langjan> Ok sterkte daar gesels weer later
[19:38] <Kilos> ok damkie oompie
[19:38] <Kilos> goed rus as jy gaan slaap
[19:38] <Langjan> my plesier seuntjie
[19:38] <Kilos> haha
[19:38] <Langjan> dankie jy ook
[19:38] <Langjan> lmga
[19:38] <Kilos> danke


[07:15] <testi> Where does unity calculate transparency? GPU or CPU? For example the transparency of the Dash-Help that appears when you keep pressing the Super-Key.
[13:10]  * Zhenech pokes tedg about https://code.launchpad.net/~sargentd/dbusmenu/multiarch-same-devheaders/+merge/107170
[13:30] <tedg> Zhenech, Heh, I approved it :-)
[13:30] <tedg> We need to get that autolander up to protect us from lazy developers ;-)
[13:30] <Zhenech> then get someone to merge it too :)
[13:31] <Zhenech> you need a merge-minion :)
[13:36] <tedg> Zhenech, We're switching to using Jenkins for that, but it's not all set up yet for all projects.
[13:37] <Zhenech> aha, jenkins is cool
[15:08] <tjaalton> hey, i've got a 3x2 desktop grid, and switching between virtual desktops 2 and 3 I sometimes seen the contents of 1 flash on the screen, as if the switch was actually wrapped the other way
[15:08] <tjaalton> so, two rows, three columns
[15:09] <tjaalton> switching within the same row means the third screen will sometimes flash on the screen
[15:43] <tjaalton> filed bug 1010068
[15:52] <seb128> tjaalton, seems like it's rather a compiz than unity session, does it happen with GNOME classic and compiz as well?
[15:53] <tjaalton> seb128: haven't tried
[15:53] <tjaalton> but yeah compiz is more likely
[16:01] <nik90> tjaalton: I think also that it is more compiz related...I think I may have this issue as well
[16:01] <nik90> shall we change the affected package to compiz?
[16:23] <tjaalton> nik90: sure
[16:23] <tjaalton> I reproduced it with gnome-classic + compiz


[22:08] <smallfoot-> Can you update libsdl from 2.0.2 to 2.0.3 ?
[22:12] <smallfoot-> Why is gedit old version 3.10 instead of 3.12 or 3.14?