[14:52] <pizzasauce> pbx: yes, enforce policy.
[14:53] <pbx> pizzasauce - well, start with that question. that's a lot more challenging. no other browsers installed on the system? user doesn't have privileges to install software? etc.
[14:54] <pizzasauce> pbx: right. no other browsers, and users' privileges are restricted.
[14:55] <pbx> pizzasauce - i can't think of a way to lock chromium to a particular set of options short of making your own custom binary. others may have better imagination on this point.
[14:56] <limgeo13> hello everyone! i run sudo apt-get remove build-essential cdbs fakeroot dh-make debhelper debconf libstdc++6 and my entire apps and docs are gone. linux unbootable and files not present through livecd! any ideas for backup?
[14:57] <pizzasauce> pbx: yeah, I was hoping that I don't need to compile my own copy.
[14:57] <pizzasauce> pbx: is it possible to remove the alt+f2 functionality entirely?
[15:00] <pbx> pizzasauce - don't know. but if the security concern is significant you should also think through what other ways they have of launching apps. e.g. terminal
[15:01] <usr13> limgeo13: Why were you removing those packages?  (Were you following some instructions for some particular goal?)
[15:01] <pizzasauce> pbx: i can use a global alias to cover the terminal. I also modified the desktop file. the only issue remaining is alt+f2
[15:02] <pbx> pizzasauce - i've got no more ideas, sorry
[15:02] <limgeo13_> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1316
[15:02] <limgeo13_> sorry restarted didnt get your nick!
[15:03] <usr13> limgeo13_: Are you using mint?
[15:03] <rgupta> Hi, I am working on ubuntu 13.04. I have an app which is crashing but core dump is not being generated. Can someone help?
[15:03] <limgeo13_> usr13:yes
[15:03] <svector> what is the definitive solution for Ubuntu 13 booting into black screen?
[15:04] <svector> work if boot is resumed from recovery mode..
[15:04] <parapan> Hi fellows > I try to run an update from a PPA - opened Update manager but I cannot select the files I want to upgrade ....is there a work around this ?
[15:05] <philinux> svector: which graphics card. make and model
[15:05] <usr13> limgeo13_: Try  #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[15:05] <usr13> limgeo13_: (They will be able to give you better advice for your particular system.)
[15:06] <limgeo13_> thanks! this forum was the only one having sth relevant to my issue
[15:06] <usr13> limgeo13_: What is "sth"?
[15:06] <usr13> !nomodeset | svector
[15:07] <limgeo13_> something :)
[15:07] <TauNeutrino> somthing I guess
[15:07] <usr13> limgeo13_: (This is not a form, it is an IRC channel.)
[15:07] <TauNeutrino> something
[15:07] <TauNeutrino> lol
[15:08] <svector> philinux, Driver: VESA: Intel®Sandybridge Mobile Graphics.
[15:08] <s_faraday> hi all
[15:08] <rgupta> Hi, I am working on ubuntu 13.04. I have an app which is crashing but core dump is not being generated. Can someone please help?
[15:08] <svector> usr13, !nomodeset? can you clarify?
[15:08] <s_faraday> making a packages got these 2 errors to me:
[15:08] <usr13> limgeo13_: Maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. You might rephrase it and try again.
[15:08] <s_faraday> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[15:08] <s_faraday> make[2]: *** [plugin/collisionperceptor/collisionperceptor.so.0.0.0] Error 1
[15:08] <s_faraday> make[1]: *** [plugin/collisionperceptor/CMakeFiles/collisionperceptor.dir/all] Error 2
[15:08] <limgeo13_> usr13: its been too long since i last used irc :) sorry for this
[15:08] <s_faraday> make: *** [all] Error 2
[15:08] <usr13> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[15:08] <pbx> rgupta - share the full details. what app, what version? anything in the logs?
[15:09] <usr13> svector: See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[15:09] <svector> usr13, looking into it.. thanks
[15:10] <usr13> limgeo13_: Ok.  Go to  #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org  #They will be able to give you better advice for your system.
[15:10] <philinux> svector: run this and pastebinit lspci | grep VGA
[15:11] <ng0n> uggg
[15:11] <svector> philinux, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[15:11] <svector> philinux, it's a one liner
[15:11] <rgupta> pbx, its a program running in the background on a server which i monitor .. the developer can't put logs as it slows down the system. so we want to check out the stack when it crashes but core dump itself is not generating
[15:12] <limgeo13_> usr13: thanks again
[15:12] <usr13> limgeo13_: NP
[15:12] <philinux> svector: check this out and specifically post #5. Looks like a royal pain.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966454
[15:13] <ix__> I made an usb with ubuntu 13.10 using dd and it doesn't boot, debian boots fine with the same method
[15:13] <limgeo13_> usr13: hahahahahahaaa you are so right!!!
[15:13] <pbx> rgupta - honestly, i'd say if you have a developer claiming that logging will slow things down, either you have a very extreme use-case or a developer who isn't basing opinions on evidence. in any case, there are the usual system logs that may hold a clue. have you looked?
[15:14] <usr13> limgeo13_: :)
[15:15] <reggie_> hey folks
[15:15] <ix__> any ideas why ubuntu doesn't boot off the live usb, when debian does?
[15:15] <reggie_> I am having issues with touchpad, using a ubuntu derivative (Deepin) can anyone help?
[15:16] <ObrienDave> ix__, have you tried unetbootin?
[15:16] <rgupta> pbx, can you give me a direction pls .. what do you mean by usual system logs?
[15:16] <olf-folks> unetbootin is the best
[15:16] <philinux> ix__: try unetbootin. Maybe it's not installing the bootloader properly
[15:16] <TauNeutrino> nope
[15:16] <TauNeutrino> use dd
[15:17] <TauNeutrino> not sure what the command was
[15:17] <ix__> ObrienDave, ok, I'm going to try that... although I don't know what's wrong with dd
[15:17] <philinux> TauNeutrino: much prefer a gui method
[15:17] <TauNeutrino> it's gui
[15:17] <TauNeutrino> command line :)
[15:17] <ObrienDave> lol
[15:17] <TauNeutrino> hehe
[15:17] <pbx> rgupta - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-gnome-system-log-viewer/
[15:17] <philinux> lol
[15:17] <ALLct> Hello. How to always use the same ip for a specific site, e.g google.com => <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:18] <TauNeutrino> that would create a blackhole
[15:18] <usr13> ALLct: What?
[15:18] <olf-folks> ix__: if its an iso for a cd/dvd then it may not boot but unetbootin uses its own bootloader thingy to start the install
[15:18] <rgupta> pbx, thanks i will look through
[15:18] <kulhas> hi afther update my ubuntu to the last version my unity app search bar stop to work properly... what can I do ?
[15:18] <pbx> ALLct - custom hosts.txt
[15:18] <ix__> olf-folks, ok, thank you
[15:18] <ObrienDave> ALLct, that is done by your ISP. static IP address
[15:19] <TauNeutrino> unity app search bar? you mean the dash thing?
[15:19] <ALLct> usr13:  yes, google has lot of other ip, but I want to use only one.
[15:19] <ALLct> pbx, could you develop, please.
[15:19] <philinux> kulhas: try a unity reset. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/reset-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-10/
[15:19] <pbx> kulhas - give more specifics. updated from what version to what version? specifically how did its behavior change? what have you tried?
[15:19] <pbx> ALLct - no
[15:19] <usr13> ALLct: Just put it in the address bar
[15:20] <usr13> ALLct: ... and hit enter.
[15:20] <Mr_Quist> pbx, hosts.txt?
[15:20] <Mr_Quist> you on windows brother?
[15:20] <Mr_Quist> ALLct, -> you should edit /etc/hosts
[15:20] <Mr_Quist> add the hostname / IP you want there
[15:20] <ALLct> usr13, I don't want to use this way
[15:20] <pbx> Mr_Quist - no, but i misspoke.  ALLct , listen to Mr_Quist :)
[15:21] <Mr_Quist> :)
[15:21] <usr13> ALLct: Well, I guess you can edit /etc/hosts
[15:21] <rgupta> pbx, though can you tell if my hunch is correct. After a bit of surfing, i found that /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern determines what happens when a system crashes. In my case it is piping to apprt, which gives the following error. ERROR: apport (pid 7262) Fri Nov  1 21:01:42 2013: executable does not belong to a package, ignoring
[15:21] <usr13> ALLct: <IP_ADDRESS>  google.com
[15:21] <rgupta> pbx, can this be the issue?
[15:22] <pbx> rgupta - dunno, you're beyond my expertise
[15:22] <s_faraday> what dose it mean guys? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltbb
[15:22] <rgupta> pbx, no worries. at least you tried. thanks
[15:22] <usr13> ALLct: Or what ever it was, (I may have typed in the wong IP).
[15:23] <usr13> ALLct: In other words, just put an entry in your /etc/hosts file for it.
[15:23] <pbx> s_faraday - what command produced that error?
[15:23] <s_faraday> pbx: make a package
[15:23] <usr13> s_faraday: make ?
[15:23] <usr13> s_faraday: (make a package is not a command)
[15:23] <s_faraday> usr13: yes
[15:24] <pbx> s_faraday - share the actual command you executed that generated the error.
[15:24] <usr13> s_faraday: He would need to see the make file.
[15:24] <s_faraday> make
[15:24] <ALLct> usr13: thanks.
[15:24] <s_faraday> just "make" I mean
[15:24] <usr13> s_faraday: Or what you are compiling.
[15:24] <usr13> ALLct: NP
[15:25] <pbx> s_faraday - right, but that's executing commands from a makefile. sounds like it may be broken  or not buildable on your system.
[15:25] <s_faraday> usr13: a source named "simspark"
[15:25] <usr13> s_faraday: simspark is not in repos?
[15:26] <s_faraday> usr13: no it isn't but I add it's repo
[15:26] <s_faraday> http://simspark.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Installation_on_Linux#Ubuntu
[15:26] <s_faraday> try to do those commands on ubuntu 12.10
[15:28] <usr13> s_faraday: What does   pwd   say?
[15:28] <s_faraday> usr13: hmm, what do u mean?
[15:29] <s_faraday> oh
[15:29] <s_faraday> usr13: /home/quantal/simpark/trunk/spark/build
[15:31] <usr13> s_faraday: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14057737/usr-bin-ld-cannot-find-lgl-nvidia-lubuntu-12-10
[15:32] <s_faraday> usr13: I don't have nvidia
[15:32] <usr13> O
[15:32] <s_faraday> my graphic card is onboard
[15:32] <ix__> didn't work with unetbootin either
[15:33] <ObrienDave> ix__, did you check the DL with MD5?
[15:33] <ix__> ObrienDave, of course I did
[15:33] <usr13> s_faraday: Did you install the dependencies?
[15:34] <s_faraday> usr13: some of them that mentiond on that wiki for simspark
[15:34] <ObrienDave> ix__, what size USB stick are you using?
[15:35] <ix__> ObrienDave, 4GB
[15:35] <usr13> s_faraday: Did you do:  cmake ..    ?
[15:35] <thnee> when I click "Connect" for the selected wifi SSID, nothing happens.. iwconfig says Access Point: Not-Associated
[15:35] <s_faraday> usr13: yes
[15:35] <thnee> how is Wifi supposed to work in ubuntu?
[15:36] <ix__> ObrienDave, the odd thing is, I had the same problem with Lubuntu, but somehow I managed to boot it, but couldn't reproduce the feat :)
[15:36] <s_faraday> usr13: and "make" got 2 errors
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> ix__: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[15:37] <usr13> s_faraday: Go back and see that you preformed all the steps prior to the one you are on now.
[15:37] <ix__> ActionParsnip, yeah, I did
[15:37] <ObrienDave> ix__, lots of people have had a similar problem with 13.10 and USB sticks. I don't get it
[15:37] <john_doe_jr> I need to find a string in a file using the find command but search for this string recursively …how would I write that command?
[15:38] <usr13> john_doe_jr: Try grep
[15:40] <usr13> john_doe_jr: grep <string> *
[15:40] <WhatElse> hi guys
[15:40] <usr13> john_doe_jr: Or:     grep <string> file-name
[15:40] <WhatElse> I've installed ubuntu 13.10 x64, but it freezes after startup (just 2 or 3 secs after unity has started) how can i get what's the problem?
[15:41] <john_doe_jr> usr13: so…grep -r "string" . ?
[15:41] <usr13> john_doe_jr: Or:     grep <string> *.txt
[15:41] <threex5> Hi, I just got a convertible notebook with an HD display. I'm running 12.04 and everything is teeny tiny. Is there a tweak or a special session or something I can use to enlarge applications and web pages?
[15:42] <usr13> john_doe_jr: I cant give you any more specific advise than I already have, (unless I know what files you have and what you are looking for).
[15:42] <john_doe_jr> usr13: well thanks for your help!
[15:43] <usr13> john_doe_jr: But yes, -r is the switch for recursive.  -r or -R or -recursive
[15:43] <s_faraday> usr13: pls have a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6376926/
[15:43] <s_faraday> am I missing something?
[15:44] <s_faraday> it was cmake output
[15:45] <usr13> s_faraday: cmake ..   Not cmake ../
[15:45] <s_faraday> usr13: cmake ../
[15:47] <TauNeutrino> make cake !
[15:48] <rooted> hello , ive updated to saucy,  and a package didnot installed [forbidden] then ive updated without completing the package, after that the Xorg crashed , then reinstalled lightdm , now it works, but cant update software center error : cannot update from 'saucy' to 'raring', other problem cant access audio menu ontop. any help ?
[15:48] <minimec> threex5: You can change the DPI settings with xrandr, like 'xrandr --dpi 160' --> http://askubuntu.com/questions/281941/ubuntu-resolution-with-ultrabook
[15:49] <minimec> threex5: Or you can change resolution in the xrandr GUI...
[15:49] <threex5> minimec, thanks for the tip. I will check it out now
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> rooted: what version did you upgraqe from?
[15:49] <usr13> s_faraday: Check to see that your system is fully updated
[15:49] <rooted> 12.03
[15:49] <acecabana> anyone know if there has been a reliable fix yet for the issue where on awaking a user no longer can use wifi
[15:49] <rooted> i guess
[15:50] <rooted> now 13.10
[15:50] <UrielVigilant> graphic test!
[15:50] <UrielVigilant> graphic-test!
[15:51] <threex5> minimec, i installed arandr but it's barely useable. is this the gui you were thinking of?
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> rooted: did you upgrade to 12.10 and 13.04 in between?
[15:51] <s_faraday> usr13: no it isn't, but i'm in ubuntu 12.10
[15:51] <rooted> no.
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> rooted: then thats why you are getting issues
[15:51] <rooted> them 13.04 to 13.10
[15:51] <s_faraday> usr13: there is not about version ? just being up to date?
[15:51] <jcromartie> I'm trying to compile a C program that uses math.h
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> rooted: you have to upgrade to the next release in turn. The only time you can leapfrog is when you upgrade LTS to LTS
[15:52] <jcromartie> gcc -Wall -lm whetstone.c -o whetstone
[15:52] <usr13> rooted: cat /etc/issue
[15:52] <rooted> ActionParsnip , what the solution , ive got this crash because didnt do the complete upgrade (because some DEB are forbidden to access)
[15:52] <minimec> threex5: xrandr should be installed. If you don't use a restricted driver, the xrandr GUI is the >Display option in the >Settings
[15:52] <jcromartie> it reports "undefined reference to `sin'" etc. in the linker stage
[15:52] <jcromartie> why?
[15:52] <usr13> rooted: (What does it say?)
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> rooted: possibly a PPA not supporting saucy
[15:52] <UrielVigilant> wich is the best graphic app to compare ubuntu 13.10 in usb persistent and xorg and ubuntu full install with standard drivers in same laptop with intel gma 950
[15:52] <jcromartie> I have libc6 installed
[15:52] <jcromartie> and the math.h headers are there
[15:53] <UrielVigilant> wich is the best becnhmark graphic app to compare ubuntu 13.10 in usb persistent and xorg and ubuntu full install with standard drivers in same laptop with intel gma 950
[15:53] <rooted> ActionPatsnip  , tried to avoid this crash by installing gdm (didnot work) && x-swat (didnot too) , then i reinstalled lightdm
[15:53] <threex5> minimec, i see. this only lets me change resolution, though -- not dpi
[15:53] <rooted> usr13 Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[15:54] <auronandace> UrielVigilant: live or installed it doesn't matter, they use the same drivers
[15:54] <usr13> rooted: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:54] <gvo> jcromartie: Move the -lm to the end o the command.
[15:54] <rooted> but ive noticed something , when i force startx it hangs alot , but when i installed gdm it became alot faster.
[15:54] <UrielVigilant> auronandace: but in live i installed xorg and in full install don´t .
[15:54] <minimec> threex5: That's where you could try the 'xrandr --dpi SOMETHING', as describrd in the 2nd askubuntu answer...
[15:55] <usr13> rooted: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:55] <rooted> usr13 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 258 not upgraded.
[15:55] <threex5> minimec, it looks from askubuntu that this: xrandr --output LVDS --scale 0.75x0.75 would yield the most consistent results
[15:55] <usr13> rooted: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:55] <UrielVigilant> Auronandace: i want a compare the results of using xorg instead normal full install drivers
[15:55] <rooted> usr13 nothing happened
[15:56] <usr13> rooted: sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:56] <minimec> threex5: I agree...
[15:56] <rooted> ActionParsnip , i cant wait for the other release because i think my software updater still raring..
[15:56] <rooted> for some reasnion
[15:56] <rooted> usr13 did that too
[15:56] <usr13> rooted: And then:  sudo apt-get clean   and then   sudo apt-get install -f
[15:56] <rooted> and reupdare/ upgrade
[15:57] <UrielVigilant> Auronandace: PLaying Onlive on playonlinux, in Rally game seems to show more detailed graphic, nut iam not sure , using xorg .
[15:57] <rooted> usr13 same thing 0 updates
[15:57] <xero73> I'm having issues installing my nvidia drivers and setting up dual monitors. I was given drivers not supported by my card by ubuntu then froze at a purple screen when attempting a different driver
[15:58] <rooted> my problem is 'software updater' cant update
[15:58] <rooted> says cant update from sauct to raring..
[15:58] <usr13> rooted: tail -1 /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades   #What does it say?
[15:58] <auronandace> UrielVigilant: i don't know how to say this any other way but: they use the same drivers
[15:58] <rooted> saucy*
[15:58] <threex5> minimec, this command didnt work
[15:59] <threex5> it just changed the resolution and made everything fuzzy
[15:59] <rooted> prompt normal
[15:59] <threex5> i'm trying to keep my native resolution and just make the interfact bigger (bigger fonts, icons, and scaled web pages)
[15:59] <minimec> threex5: Look for ubuntu users on newer Macs or MS Surface PRO. Those do have a similar problem, as these machines have very high resolutions.
[16:00] <threex5> minimec, ok thanks. how can i quicky undo this last command?
[16:00] <rooted> usr13 prompt=normal
[16:00] <usr13> rooted: So you were supposed to have upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10?
[16:00] <philinux> rooted: try this. post back any erros sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:00] <SkyCaptain> hello chan, I just duplicated my /home partition and am trying to get my bash behaviour back in working order. All of a sudden, inputrc is not allowing CTRL+Left/Right to move between words, then when trying to fix it, I disabled the enter key on terminals, not sure how
[16:00] <threex5> xrandr --output eDP1 --scale 1x1 ?
[16:00] <threex5> i guess i could try it
[16:00] <rooted> yes, now its 13.10 , but i think there is alot of crashes ive fixed and some uninstalled packeges
[16:01] <minimec> threex5: If it was not working, you don't care. If it did something, just reboot.
[16:01] <usr13> rooted: ActionParsnip is more-than-likely correct.  You need to get rid of some ppa
[16:01] <usr13> rooted: or ppa(s)
[16:01] <threex5> minimec, rebooting will undo it? ok
[16:01] <threex5> thanks
[16:01] <rooted> philinux , in shell the only error i get , is x-swat 404 , but in gui , its says cant upgrade from saucy to raring
[16:01] <minimec> threex5: in this case yes
[16:01] <UrielVigilant> Auronandace: but in live usb ubuntu 13.10 i did this comman : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y               , so what changes ?
[16:02] <rooted> means cant update from 13.10 to 13.04 witch is weird
[16:02] <usr13> rooted: As ActionParsnip suggests, ppa(s) can cause problems when doing a version upgrade.
[16:03] <rooted> philinux Err http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy/main i386 Packages
[16:03] <rooted>   404  Not Found
[16:03] <usr13> rooted: You may have to leave some packages behind.  (Uninstall them and ditch the ppa(s)
[16:03] <rooted> usr13 , ok do you suggest to remove x-swat ppa ?
[16:03] <philinux> rooted: disable all ppa's in your sources.list
[16:03] <auronandace> UrielVigilant: so you are using a ppa with a more recent version of xorg (hence more recent drivers)
[16:04] <philinux> rooted: just untick them
[16:04] <rooted> hmmm
[16:04] <rooted> but the problem happened before installing the ppa
[16:04] <usr13> rooted: As philinux suggests, dissable all ppa(s)
[16:04] <rooted> because the Xorg crashed
[16:05] <rooted> because the distro update had some files forbiden to access
[16:05] <UrielVigilant> Auronandace: and now i want to compare the 2 modes with and with out it .
[16:05] <rooted> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[16:05] <rooted> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[16:05] <pngl> I can't boot my Ubuntu VM anymore since I resized the .vdi disk, and the partition using Gparted. I get a black screen with a cross-shaped cursor.
[16:05] <minimec> threex5: Did you check how you output is called. Mine would be 'LVDS1', not 'LVDS'. You can check that with 'xrandr' in a terminal
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> rooted: as you leapfrogger release(s), i would reinstall with either Precise or Saucy then upgrade to Trusty in April
[16:05] <philinux> rooted: with ppa's disabled then first sudo apt-get install -f then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:05] <usr13> rooted: What did   sudo dpkg --configure -a    do?
[16:06] <rooted> usr13 nothing actually , no outputs
[16:06] <threex5> minimec, mine is called eDP1. The command worked --- it just didn't do what I wanted it to. It gave me that fuzzy non-native resolution, like if i just changed the res in Settings > Display
[16:06] <philinux> rooted: thats good then
[16:06] <jcromartie> gvo: thanks, but why?
[16:06] <usr13> rooted: Yes, as philinux suggests, do  apt-get update and  apt-get install -f  after disabling ppa(s)
[16:06] <pngl> What does a cross-shaped cursor usually mean?
[16:07] <isasha> Hiya, I'm having a tad of an issue with my OS X sleep after installing Ubuntu on my macbook.
[16:07] <minimec> threex5: Ok, I see.
[16:07] <isasha> Sleep works fine, but if it sleeps for more than a couple of hours on battery, it goes into hibernation.
[16:07] <isasha> After escaping hibernation, it looks like it boots into 'Low graphics memory mode' on Ubuntu, you can barely see it because the backlight doesn't turn on.
[16:07] <isasha> Any ideas?
[16:07] <rooted> cool , but i dont understand what does it has to do with x-swat  , the crash happened before ive added the ppa , ive installed x-swat because the graphics crashed
[16:07] <rooted> will try it now.
[16:07] <gvo> jcromartie: Because it doesn't know what you want from the math library until it sees the object code and you don't have the object code until later in the command.
[16:08] <rooted> my trying now the distro-upgrade , i think this will work
[16:08] <acecabana> along with iasha's problem,after I hibernate, I lose wifi capabilities. I don't have any of the graphics issues though.
[16:08] <gvo> jcromartie: gcc is a bit dumb.  It doesn't wrap the search for dependencies.
[16:08] <threex5> minimec, this computer runs windows 8, and when you go to ie from the start menu, web sites are the correct scale but the fonts are way smoother. the graphics are fuzzy if they're not 'retina ready' but other than that, it manages to use the HD display and have things display large
[16:08] <usr13> rooted: You need to solve one problem at a time.  Fix the upgrade problem before trying to fix GUI issues.
[16:08] <philinux> rooted: thats dist-upgrade
[16:08] <isasha> acecabana is this on a macbook?
[16:09] <rooted> gui fixed after reinstalling lightdm , GDM , X-SWAT didnt work
[16:09] <acecabana> isasha: no, dell laptop
[16:09] <xero73> I'm having issues installing my nvidia drivers and setting up dual monitors. I was given drivers not supported by my card by ubuntu then froze at a purple screen when attempting a different driver can anyone help?
[16:09] <rooted> GDM + X-SWAT didnt fix it , only the light dim fixed , it
[16:10] <rooted> and in the grub menu duplicated for selection..
[16:10] <isasha> ah but that's a bit different. my issue is cross-OS, sleeps in one, resumes into a different one
[16:10] <usr13> rooted: I don't even know what x-swat is.
[16:10] <acecabana> isasha: that's an almost funny problem
[16:11] <isasha> I know :P
[16:11] <rooted> usr13 , x-swat is a solution for some intel microproccesors(VGA) [sometimes] , the ghrapics usually crashes if you are youi nvidia , because they are sucks
[16:11] <isasha> But I'm guessing the issue is somewhere on the boot record? idk, I have deactivated hibernation in Ubuntu, and on OS X it just does it by itself after a few hours on battery
[16:11] <rooted> and there is nvidia/ati/etc ppa's for some ghrapic cards
[16:12] <xero73> I guess nobody can help...
[16:12] <acecabana> isasha: i'm sure you can disable it in OSX as well
[16:12] <rooted> i though the crash because the graphics card , after many tricks, found the lightdm has a crash
[16:12] <acecabana> isasha: but that's just a bandais
[16:12] <rooted> had
[16:12] <usr13> xero73: Did you install the wrong nvidia driver?
[16:12] <tonyt> is it possible to run os x on a pc ?
[16:13] <tonyt> natively that is . not in a vm
[16:13] <xero73> usr13: ubuntu gave me the wrong ones to install and I used terminal to install a correct one and froze
[16:13] <isasha> yeah that's the issue, if I don't use it for a few hours, I loose all my open tabs and stuff, I have to reboot it and work without internet
[16:13] <usr13> xero73: What did you install?  What is your display adapter?
[16:13] <DrMax_> I've upgraded to 13.10 and when an application is launched via a keyboard shortcut, it's not always on top
[16:13] <DrMax_> sometimes they open BEHIND other apps
[16:13] <xero73> usr13: it still shows no proprietary drivers in use
[16:13] <bean___> tonyt: thats a bit offtopic for here.
[16:13] <tonyt> k
[16:13] <DrMax_> is there a way of correcting this?
[16:13] <xero73> usr13: I had to reinstall ubuntu
[16:14] <usr13> xero73: Did you trun off the X server first?
[16:14] <tonyt> bean know of a channel that could answer that question ?
[16:14] <xero73> usr13: I don't know what that is, much less how to do it
[16:14] <rooted> xero73 , what your problem again ?
[16:14] <SkyCaptain> I think I need to reinstall readline/inputrc, but I'm not sure how without being able to hit enter on a terminal
[16:14] <acecabana> isasha: in the meantime though you can certainly disable hibernation in OSX and you can at least keep your work
[16:14] <usr13> xero73: Ok if you reinstalled ubuntu, just do it again, but first, turn off the X server.
[16:14] <xero73> rooted: issues installing my nvidia driver and setting up dual monitors
[16:15] <bean___> tonyt: can't say I do. I will answer your question though. Look up "hackintosh"
[16:15] <isasha> acecabana no work is fine, it reopens automatically, but I usually have 100+ tabs or so open and I can't always open them when I'm away from home
[16:15] <xero73> usr13: ok but right now I don't even know the correct driver, someone here gave me the command but ubuntu is still giving me the wrong ones
[16:15] <kermit> networkmanager brings up my ethernet, but then brings it back down 2 seconds later, over and over.. if i stop network manager while it's up, it stays up and works fine.. why would it do that?
[16:15] <isasha> but the bigger issue is that it does it in the first place
[16:15] <usr13> xero73: lspci
[16:15] <rooted> xerro73 , nvidia has alot of problems, there is some ppa for nvidia (NEVER DOWNLOAD DRIVERS FROM NVIDIA WEBASE)
[16:15] <acecabana> isasha: true...if you can't fix it right away you can always "System Preferences>Energy Saver. Adjust your settings. Set Computer to sleep to Never."
[16:16] <OerHeks> lspci |  grep -i VGA
[16:16] <rooted> ive read it , in xorg crash after updating to saucy you can find it in ask ubuntu
[16:16] <isasha> I'm reading that exact same page but that would just mean that it doesn't go to sleep
[16:16] <usr13> rooted: What do you mean, never download drivers from nvidia "webase"?
[16:16] <rooted> xero73 , your problem is xorg crashed ?
[16:17] <xero73> rooted: no the drivers just never install correctly and still show as no driver is in use
[16:17] <rooted> usr13 , never download the nvidia driver's from nvidia , there is touchpad nvidia resource
[16:17] <Guest87261> ubuntu is a spyware - rms, some of fsf people are insame - Linus
[16:17] <usr13> xero73: You should probably just download from nvidia website.
[16:17] <rooted> xero73 , does GUI works ?
[16:17] <usr13> rooted: Oh, it is a touchpad?
[16:17] <xero73> usr13: I tried that and the .run file crashes
[16:18] <rooted> usr13 yep,  read it yesterday on askubuntu
[16:18] <usr13> xero73: It is a touchpad?
[16:18] <xero73> rooted: which GUI?
[16:18] <xero73> usr13: no I'm on a desktop
[16:18] <rooted> xero73 lightdm , or gdm ?
[16:18] <rooted> i mean can you see your desktop ?
[16:18] <xero73> rooted: yes I can
[16:18] <usr13> xero73: Ok then, what display adapter is it?
[16:19] <usr13> xero73: lspci  #What does it say about the Nivia card?
[16:19] <rooted> xero73 , can you tell me what exactly , your problem , because my english is poor
[16:19] <rooted> english
[16:19] <xero73> usr13: it says VGA compatible controller NVIDIA Corp. G92 [ GeForce 9800GT]
[16:20] <xero73> rooted: ubuntu still shows no driver in use after installing them and it won't detect my 2nd monitor
[16:20] <rooted> xero73 , try to search on NVIDIA GEFORE9800GT PPA
[16:20] <rooted> hmmmm
[16:20] <rooted> let me check
[16:21] <OerHeks> xero that 9800 needs the 173-updates driver AFAIK
[16:21] <vanishing> xero73: is this a nvidia driver problem?
[16:21] <rooted> i remember i saw it yesterday
[16:21] <xero73> vanishing: yes it is
[16:21] <usr13> xero73: Are you 32bit or 64bit?
[16:21] <xero73> OerHeks: thanks yes that was what I was installing when it froze though and I had to reformat
[16:21] <vanishing> xero73: did you install the drive using apt-get?
[16:21] <xero73> usr13: 64-bit
[16:22] <xero73> vanishing: yes
[16:22] <Guest87261> ubuntu touch on Nokia 808?
[16:22] <rooted> xero73 http://askubuntu.com/questions/153915/how-to-install-drivers-for-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200-on-precise
[16:22] <DJones> !touch | Guest87261
[16:22] <usr13> xero73: Are you fully updated?
[16:22] <rooted> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173-updates/173.14.35-0ubuntu1/+build/3597638
[16:23] <xero73> usr13: I was previously but I'm not now after the reformat
[16:23] <xero73> vanishing: I am installing that driver now
[16:23] <usr13> xero73: Do that first.  What version of Ubuntu do you have installed?
[16:23] <xero73> usr13: 12.04.3 lts
[16:24] <usr13> xero73: NO,  do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade   #First
[16:24] <Ari-Yang> usr13: run lsb_rlease -a in terminal to view ubuntu version
[16:24] <xero73> usr13: doing so now
[16:25] <usr13> Ari-Yang: Good advice.  Yes.
[16:25] <vanishing> xero73: btw, you might want to do a sudo nvidia-xconfig after that
[16:25] <xero73> vanishing: sure I'll do that
[16:25] <usr13> Ari-Yang: But it's  lsb-release -a  #Spelling error.
[16:26] <usr13> Ari-Yang: lsb_release -a   #I messed up too  ;0
[16:27] <xero73> usr13: still updating..
[16:27] <usr13> vanishing: Sounds to me like he is going to do the same thing he did last time, (and expect different result).  If it were me, I'd just download from nvidia.com)
[16:27] <rooted> xero73 , did you try apt-get navidia-current-updates ?
[16:27] <xero73> rooted: no I haven't
[16:28] <rooted> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current-updates
[16:28] <xero73> usr13: the nvidia website file crashed when I used it previously
[16:28] <rooted> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-experimental-304
[16:28] <rooted> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current-updates
[16:28] <usr13> xero73: Oh, ok.  But did you trun off the X server before trying to run it?
[16:29] <rooted> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[16:29] <xero73> rooted: yes 304 and 319 are the ones ubuntu gives and they, as I was told aren't even supported by my card
[16:29] <rooted> xero 73 , thats why you have to check askubuntu
[16:30] <vanishing> xero73: nvidia-settings:  version 331.17  (buildd@rhenium)  Sun Oct 27 00:28:28 UTC 2013
[16:30] <vanishing> :D
[16:30] <xero73> rooted: ok
[16:30] <xero73> vanishing: so I need 331.17?
[16:30] <OerHeks> nvidia-current-updates does not support that 9800, nvidia 173-updates does
[16:30] <vanishing> xero73: i'm not saying you need that, just you might want that
[16:30] <vanishing> its 331
[16:30] <Lockzi> So, I've managed to get dropbox working on Ubuntu 13.04 x64 server (no gui). The dropbox process is auto started by user admin. The Dropbox folder location is /home/admin/Dropbox. This Dropbox folder in turn has a folder called watched_folder that I use to drop .torrent files in. I am running rTorrent as a user called rtorrent (that also has a home folder). What is the best way to gain access for the user rtorrent to pull in these .torrent
[16:30] <Lockzi> files and delete afterwards?
[16:31] <xero73> I just finished updating everything..now what is it I need to try?
[16:31] <gain> wut
[16:31] <gain> ?
[16:31] <vanishing> which card do you have?
[16:31] <xero73> like 3 people helping me work on this lol...9800 gt
[16:31] <Shadowandlight> hello, im running into a version error with mysql using 12.04
[16:31] <Shadowandlight> http://privatepaste.com/d077b0f9ea
[16:32] <vanishing> xero73: hmmm..should be supported
[16:32] <xero73> vanishing: I know, it's a pretty old card.
[16:32] <vanishing> xero73: whats the problem though?
[16:32] <vanishing> sorry I was glancing here and there on my screen, missed the problem part
[16:32] <xero73> vanishing: ubuntu constantly shows no proprietarty drivers in use and won't detect my 2nd monitor
[16:33] <vanishing> xero73: lsmod | grep nvidia
[16:33] <xero73> vanishing: ok...nothing happened
[16:33] <vanishing> drivers not loaded
[16:34] <rooted> i think , distro-upgrade is working , still updating
[16:34] <xero73> vanishing: so I should use the 173-updates command or...?
[16:34] <minimec> Lockzi: Add user 'rtorrent' to group 'admin' and give group 'admin' write access to that watched_folder, or create a new group for that watched_folder, add 'admin' and 'rtorrent' to that new group and assign that new group iwth write access to that watched_folder.
[16:34] <vanishing> can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:35] <minimec> Lockzi: 2nd solution seems 'nicer' to me...
[16:35] <vanishing> xero73: pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:35] <xero73> vanishing: umm.. what's the command again? I forgot after last night
[16:35] <Lockzi> minimec: What happens when a new .torrent file is added then? Does it automatically inherit the permissions?
[16:36] <vanishing> xero73: also, can you try sudo modprobe nvidia
[16:36] <vanishing> see what happens
[16:36] <xero73> vanishing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377170/
[16:36] <vanishing> xero73: do sudo nvidia-xconfig
[16:36] <xero73> vanishing: modprove gives an error
[16:36] <minimec> Lockzi: Good question.. I guess so. Otherwise, you could make a script or/and cron job to move the .torrent files with 'correct' permissions.
[16:36] <vanishing> your xorg.conf is not right..
[16:37] <xero73> vanishing: Fatal error inserting nvidia_304
[16:37] <Lockzi> minimec: So I did chown admin:rtorrent to the watched_folder that lies under /home/admin/Dropbox/ (the Dropbox folder is owned by admin:admin)
[16:37] <usr13> xero73: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/331.20/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.20.run
[16:38] <xero73> vanishing: I also got a validation error from xconfig
[16:38] <Lockzi> the user rtorrent can't even CD into the Dropbox folder...
[16:38] <usr13> xero73: Is that the file you downloaded before?
[16:38] <vanishing> xero73: I would recommend purge nvidia driver and reinstall it
[16:38] <MO_Handes> how to remove all files named Thumbs.db recursively?
[16:38] <xero73> vanishing: but usr13 said I have to shut down x-server first right?
[16:38] <usr13> MO_Handes: What?
[16:39] <vanishing> xero73: usr13: not sure whats his diagnose :)
[16:39] <usr13> xero73: If you use the file I linked to just now, yes you need to trun off the xserver first.
[16:40] <xero73> vanishing: so what do I do now? usr13: I just downloaded that but how do I shut down xserver
[16:40] <vanishing> xero73: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf; sudo nvidia-xconfig
[16:41] <xero73> vanishing: Unable to locate/open xconfig file
[16:42] <vanishing> xero73: below that there should be another line saying new X config written
[16:42] <vanishing> right?
[16:42] <xero73> vanishing: yes
[16:42] <MO_Handes> usr13, I just want to remove all files named foo in current directory and all sub directories
[16:43] <usr13> xero73: First, do as vanishing suggests and see if the one you have now works.
[16:43] <vanishing> xero73: pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:43] <vanishing> should be different now
[16:43] <usr13> MO_Handes: rm foo*
[16:43] <xero73> vanishing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377224/
[16:43] <MO_Handes> usr13, it just removes it from the current directory not subdirectories
[16:43] <usr13> MO_Handes: But you will not have any 2 files with same name.
[16:43] <xero73> usr13: the one I downloaded from you?
[16:43] <vanishing> xero73: there you go
[16:43] <vanishing> xero73: try to reboot now
[16:44] <xero73> vanishing: ok brb
[16:44] <usr13> MO_Handes: rm -r foo*
[16:44] <vanishing> xero73: original xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377170/
[16:44] <vanishing> new xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377224/
[16:44] <vanishing> :)
[16:44] <usr13> xero73: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[16:45] <MO_Handes> usr13, that does not do that
[16:45] <usr13> MO_Handes: Does not do what? (What is it exactly that you want to do?)
[16:46] <vanishing> usr13: he want to remove files with foo* in current and sub dirs
[16:46] <MO_Handes> usr13, it has been done by "find . -name foo -delete"
[16:46] <MO_Handes> thanks ;)
[16:46] <usr13> MO_Handes: Okeydokey
[16:46] <vanishing> xet7: workin'?
[16:46] <vanishing> xet7: wrong ping..sorry
[16:48] <rajmahendra> I have tried to upgrade my ubuntu with new version on my hp laptop. once it upgrade once i restart it says unsupported graphic, input etc going to low lever settings and then its coming to ubuntu background with rotating cursor and noting happening. anyone help me to rectify this please ?
[16:48] <julian-delphiki> lol MO_Handes, asking in ##linux to give someone an answer here.
[16:48] <julian-delphiki> or, cross posting
[16:49] <usr13> rajmahendra: lspci  #What does it say about your display adapter?
[16:49] <vanishing> xero73: workin'?
[16:49] <xero73> vanishing: wow this sucks, no I'm at 640x480 resolution
[16:49] <vanishing> xero73: lol..do a lsmod | grep nvidia
[16:49] <usr13> xero73: nvidia-settings
[16:49] <vanishing> see if nvidia driver is loaded
[16:50] <tripelb> hello. re wine? i want to run a program that comes on the disk with my xrays. it did not work under xp. (missing dot-net or something) -- how to run it?
[16:50] <xero73> vanishing: ok hang on I  gotta find my terminal lol
[16:50] <usr13> xero73: Alt-F2  gnome-terminal
[16:50] <pbx> tripelb - sounds like a long shot. i would start by finding out what version(s) of windows it *does* run on
[16:50] <Ubuntivity> Hello everyone
[16:51] <rajmahendra> usr13:  intel corporation model 4 series chipset
[16:51] <Ubuntivity> Can I define a different "rc.local" file for each entry in GRUB meua?
[16:51] <xero73> vanishing: nothing after lsmod | grep nvidia
[16:52] <vanishing> xero73: nvidia driver still not loaded....
[16:52] <tripelb> phx  8 and 7
[16:52] <zykotick9> tripelb: i'd suggest asking specific wine support questions in #winehq
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntivity: as far as I know there is only one, you could have it perform some logic based on the output of:    uname -a    though :)
[16:52] <rajmahendra> can't i revert back the settings to get back old ubuntu ?
[16:52] <xero73> vanishing: this is just irritating lol remind me never to reformat if we get this working
[16:52] <usr13> rajmahendra: What does lspci say about it?
[16:53] <usr13> rajmahendra: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:53] <rajmahendra> usr13:  intel corporation model 4 series chipset
[16:53] <Ubuntivity> Thanks ActionParsnip, but how uname -a will determine which entry was chosen of the GRUB menu?
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntivity: it will show the kernel version which may help run the right command
[16:53] <vanishing> xero73: yep...kept my install for 2 years now..encountered numerous problem, but eventually fixed everything*
[16:53] <usr13> xero73: Did you download the file from nvidia.com?
[16:54] <vanishing> usr13: why not the driver in repo though :|
[16:54] <Ubuntivity> ActionParsnip: I might be using the same kernel, but I want to have 2 entries: one for "quiet splash" and one for "text", and I want a particular script to start in "text" mode but not "quiet splash"
[16:54] <xero73> usr13: I downloaded from the link you gave earlier
[16:54] <usr13> vanishing: I don't know.  Why not?  (Did it not work?)
[16:55] <xero73> usr13: no
[16:55] <vanishing> usr13: just...meh..i like apt-get more..lol
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntivity: oh i see, ive seen this sort of thing but no idea how to make it happen, there is a safe mode for each kernel so you may want to poke around in grub's config to see how that extra entry is made, then add one of your own
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntivity: the guys in #grub may be able to advise too
[16:56] <usr13> xero73: First, let's see what you've installed.   ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/   #What does the last line say?
[16:56] <vanishing> xero73: what is the output of sudo modprobe nvidia?
[16:56] <Ubuntivity> Thanks ActionParsnip. I'll check #grub and also I'll keep checking this channel too in case someone knows how it is done :)
[16:57] <xero73> usr13: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    1181 Nov  7 11:35 pastebinit.list
[16:57] <usr13> vanishing: I recommend using the package manager too, (when it works).
[16:57] <usr13> xero73: Is there nvidia anything above that?
[16:57] <zykotick9> vanishing: a note about using driver from nvidia.com -- (dpkg's "why nvidia installer sucks", modified for ubuntu by me) -- 11:54 <dpkg> nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted.  Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break.  If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly.  nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management.  We recomme
[16:57] <xero73> vanishing: same error as before
[16:57] <usr13> xero73: (It's good that you installed pastebinit though.
[16:57] <Ari-Yang> !fsck
[16:58] <vanishing> zykotick9: so...repo driver :)
[16:58] <vanishing> xero73: what is the output though...
[16:58] <zykotick9> vanishing: ding ding ding ;)
[16:58] <vanishing> zykotick9: thats what i said though :)
[16:58] <tripelb> zykotick9: thanks. dnk
[16:58] <xero73> usr13: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    5134 Nov  7 11:23 nvidia-173-updates.list
[16:58] <xero73> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    5059 Nov  7 11:23 nvidia-settings-304-updates.list
[16:59] <xero73> vanishing: fatal error inserting nvidia_304
[16:59] <usr13> xero73: I do not think nvidia-173 is right for your display adapter.
[16:59] <Shadowandlight> hello, im running into a version error with mysql using 12.04 - http://privatepaste.com/d077b0f9ea
[16:59] <xero73> usr13: ok
[16:59] <vanishing> xero73: seems like somehow you installed both 173 and 304..o.o
[17:00] <usr13> xero73: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list |pastebinit
[17:00] <xero73> vanishing: lol
[17:00] <usr13> xero73: And send us resulting URL.
[17:01] <bekks> Shadowandlight: So which mysql version did you install?
[17:01] <xero73> usr13: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377306/
[17:01] <bekks> Shadowandlight: And which ubuntu version do you use?
[17:01] <zykotick9> vanishing: (sidenote) using a 310+ nvidia driver would be good, if you card supports it (and i think it should).  310+ is when steam/nvidia/ubuntu started working together for better performance.
[17:02] <vanishing> zykotick9: yep..running on 331 atm, no problem so far
[17:02] <usr13> xero73: sudo apt-get remove nvidia*
[17:02] <Shadowandlight> bekks: im not sure i just ran the install
[17:02] <vanishing> purge^
[17:02] <Shadowandlight> bekks: 12.04
[17:02] <usr13> vanishing: Was that for me?
[17:03] <usr13> xero73: sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[17:03] <usr13> ?
[17:03] <vanishing> i'm just saying purge might be better
[17:03] <xero73> usr13: I just ran the remove one..
[17:03] <usr13> vanishing: YOu are probably correct.
[17:03] <xero73> usr13: do I need to purge too?
[17:03] <bekks> Shadowandlight: could you pastebin   dpkg -l | grep mysql   please
[17:05] <xero73> usr13 & vanishing: I ran the remove command first given and it's done running should I run the purge now?
[17:05] <usr13> xero73: Ok, did you download NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.20.run ?
[17:05] <vanishing> i would purge, just to be safe
[17:05] <usr13> xero73: If so, where is it?  ~/Downloads ?
[17:05] <Shadowandlight> bekks: http://privatepaste.com/9ffe7fe99f
[17:05] <xero73> vanishing: purging now
[17:06] <Shadowandlight> bekks: maybe im on 13.04.01 now btw?
[17:06] <xero73> usr13: yes I downloaded it
[17:06] <Shadowandlight> based on that command
[17:06] <usr13> xero73: Ok it is in ~/Downloads, right?
[17:06] <bekks> Shadowandlight: huh?
[17:06] <xero73> usr13: correct
[17:06] <zykotick9> Shadowandlight: "lsb_release -a" should show you...
[17:06] <bekks> Shadowandlight: "lsb_release -a" will show you...
[17:06] <usr13> xero73: Ok. Do this:  sudo apt-get install irssi
[17:07] <vanishing> :|
[17:07] <xero73> usr13: done
[17:07] <Shadowandlight> zykotick9: bekks yes I am on 13.04 now heh
[17:08] <Shadowandlight> bekks: http://privatepaste.com/9ffe7fe99f
[17:08] <usr13> xero73: Done?  Ok... When you trun off the X server, you will have six (6) console terminals to use.  tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4 tty5 and tty6
[17:08] <marlo> <--tad confused, when i 'grep Subnet /etc/tinc/vpn/hosts/*' on one machine, I get a listing of all the files <with filenames> that contain the line 'Subnet'... when I run this on another machine, I get the same listing, but the file names aren't included... what's up with that?
[17:08] <Ubuntivity> Does ~/.bashrc is executed at startup even in 'text' mode?
[17:08] <xero73> usr13: ok..how do I turn off xserver then?
[17:09] <yeyeman> I love skype
[17:09]  * Ubuntivity apologizes for his grammatical error above.
[17:09] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: bash rc  <- hint :)
[17:09] <ceed^> I am running 13.10 but suddenly there's nothing in the dash. when I type there's nothing showing up so I cant launch programs or anything
[17:09] <xero73> usr13: and which do I use?
[17:09] <yeyeman> it does not actually quit when I tell it to quit
[17:09] <Ubuntivity> vanishing: should I take that as a 'yes'?
[17:09] <yeyeman> it crashes if someone tries to call me
[17:09] <vanishing> yes
[17:10] <yeyeman> awesome piece of software
[17:10] <usr13> xero73: Pick one and use it.  Alt-Right-Arrow will go up one and Alt-Left-Arrow will go down one.  Or Ctrl-Alt-F1 to Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc. etc.  And you can get on a free console and issue command irssi to get on IRC again.
[17:10] <usr13> Ok.  So what you want to do first is to make sure you can exicute the file.  cd Downloads
[17:10] <vanishing> hang on 1 sec
[17:10] <Ubuntivity> can I get a script to run only when I boot in 'text' mode but not when I boot in 'quiet splash'?
[17:11] <reisio> Ubuntivity: no doubt
[17:11] <xero73> usr13: but how do I shut down x server?
[17:11] <Ubuntivity> reisio: How can I do that
[17:11] <usr13> xero73: see my PM
[17:11] <reisio> xero73: sudo service lightdm stop
[17:11] <marlo> oh... it's because there's only one file
[17:11] <reisio> Ubuntivity: what's the difference between them? Why do you want to?
[17:11] <vanishing> might want to tell him how to use irssi first......
[17:11] <vanishing> just saying...
[17:11] <Ubuntivity> reisio: I need it for automated purpose
[17:12] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: I would do some search on plymouth..
[17:12] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: since that take care of the "splash" part
[17:12] <reisio> Ubuntivity: which purpose?
[17:13] <foofoobar> Hi. htop shows me that one (v)CPU is at 100%. How do I find out which process causes this?
[17:14] <foofoobar> When I sort by cpu usage the highest is at 0.7%
[17:14] <memoryleak> did someone manged to install nvidia-propretary drivers for a quadro K1000M? First thing happens is "black deskop" with the x error "No display found"
[17:14] <foofoobar> oh no, its xflux
[17:14] <foofoobar> wtf is xflux
[17:15] <Ubuntivity> reisio: I need to have 2 entries in GRUB, the first (default) for text mode (which runs a particular script after booting) and the other is the usual GRUB entry that loads the Desktop mode.
[17:15] <reisio> foofoobar: screen color adjuster?
[17:15] <reisio> poor man's compiz inverter
[17:15]  * Ubuntivity hopes reisio didn't forget him.
[17:16] <reisio> Ubuntivity: why's that
[17:16] <foofoobar> reisio, ah you are right
[17:16] <foofoobar> I killed it, cpu back to normal
[17:16] <james_> Hello
[17:16] <reisio> 'lo james
[17:17] <Ubuntivity> reisio: I want that PC to start automatically every morning to perform that particular task, and in the same time use that PC as a regular Desktop Ubuntu when it is runned manually by a user.
[17:17] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: cron?
[17:17] <Ubuntivity> reisio: not in the same 'time' of course :)
[17:18] <james__> Hello
[17:18] <Ubuntivity> vanishing: not exactly cron, since this automated starting will not be only in the morning but in various times.
[17:18] <reisio> Ubuntivity: so you want to not load the desktop for no particular reason?
[17:18] <james__> Was wondering if there is anyone that has a good understanding of Security Onion? Not Trolling here just a student looking to get some help
[17:18] <lmat> How do I install svn 1.7 client ?
[17:19] <reisio> james__: #tor
[17:19] <lmat> sudo apt-get install svn   says there is no candidate :(
[17:19] <james__> #tor
[17:19] <reisio> james__: /join #tor, read the topic
[17:19] <Ubuntivity> reisio: not 'no particular reason' but to reduce the load on the RAM
[17:19] <adamk> lmat: The program name is subversion.
[17:19] <reisio> Ubuntivity: let me read your thing again
[17:20] <lmat> adamk: thanks
[17:20] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: cron job can be run only in mornings :)
[17:20] <Ubuntivity> reisio: can you kindly help me applying my idea rather than criticizing it?
[17:20] <Ubuntivity> Thanks reisio
[17:20] <lmat> adamk: It doesn't have a version number, what version is it (more importantly, how do I tell ? ) ?
[17:20] <Ubuntivity> vanishing: I meant non-regular times (almost random)
[17:20] <reisio> if I run out of criticism I can
[17:21] <Ubuntivity> reisio: criticism will consume your energy, you know! (I used to do it, but not anymore)
[17:21] <reisio> Ubuntivity: so if a user wants to use a desktop during that specific time, they are just out of luck?
[17:21] <adamk> lmat: apt-cache show subversion
[17:21] <reisio> Ubuntivity: no it won't, overzealous criticism will
[17:21]  * reisio can criticize relaxédly
[17:21] <Ubuntivity> reisio: Yes, since that use is usually me.
[17:22] <lmat> adamk: thanks. Looks like 1.6 is the going version...
[17:22] <reisio> Ubuntivity: so you're doing wake-on-lan, or?
[17:22] <lmat> Does Ubuntu have plans to incorporate subversion 1.7 into the repository ? Seems about time, ja?
[17:22] <adamk> lmat: It's 1.7 on Ubuntu 13.10.
[17:22] <Ubuntivity> reisio: No, BIOS-timed start mostly
[17:22] <lmat> adamk: I see. Is there a way to connect to that repository or something ?
[17:22] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: hmm..so you want the script to be run at random intervals?
[17:23] <reisio> it's in >=12.10
[17:23] <adamk> lmat: Upgrade to Ubuntu 13.10.
[17:23] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: I'm a bit confused...
[17:23] <lmat> adamk: I'm in 12.04
[17:23] <reisio> 12.04 is quite old
[17:23] <lmat> reisio: it's LTS.
[17:23] <Ubuntivity> reisio: and maybe even custom electronic board to switch it on.
[17:23] <reisio> lmat: so? It's quite old
[17:23] <lmat> reisio: When another LTS comes out, I'll be there in an heartbeat.
[17:23] <Ubuntivity> vanishing: I want the script to run when the PC booted into 1st GRUB menu choice.
[17:23] <reisio> lmat: that's fine, it's still quite old
[17:23] <adamk> lmat: LTS is LTS.  It's not surprising it's going to be a bit behind the latest and greatest.
[17:23] <k1l_> lmat: 14.04 will be the next LTS
[17:24] <lmat> adamk: okay, so it can't (reasonably) be done ?
[17:24] <reisio> Ubuntivity: what would probably be the least awful way, would be
[17:24] <bekks> reisio: decide yourself, stability or bleeding edge.
[17:24] <reisio> Ubuntivity: to find the upstart "script" or whatever for starting X/lightdm/etc.
[17:24] <reisio> Ubuntivity: and put in an if [ inside time interval ]; return; fi kind of deal
[17:24] <adamk> lmat: You could create a package of 1.7 yourself, I guess. Perhaps there's a PPA that carries it for 12.04, but I'd be hesitant to do that.
[17:24] <lmat> bekks: What if you want stability and subversion 1.7 ? :-P
[17:25] <reisio> Ubuntivity: but you could also do silly things like change GRUB's order at powerdown every night
[17:25] <reisio> bekks: it's not me
[17:25] <lmat> adamk: But there's an official ubuntu repository that carries 1.7, right ? Is it inaccessible to me because my apt-get is too old or something ?
[17:25] <bekks> lmat: I bet there is a ppa for that ;)
[17:25] <usr13> Xero73: Hello?
[17:26] <siwica> I am still trying to figure out how to get a Ubuntu gui running with a GeForce GT 720M GPU (Ubuntu 13.10)
[17:26] <adamk> lmat: The repositories are specific to each Ubuntu release. subversion 1.7 is in the repositories for 13.10 (and perhaps even older Ubuntus, just not 12.04 or earlier).
[17:26] <lmat> bekks: Why would I need a personal archive when Ubuntu hosts it :'(
[17:26] <siwica> I am just seeing the console after installing, any hintes?
[17:26] <vanishing> Ubuntivity: I have to agree with reisio...
[17:26] <xero_> usr13: can you PM me?
[17:26] <lmat> adamk: I see. So my 12.04 doesn't talk to the 13.x repos...
[17:26] <siwica> *hints
[17:26] <Ubuntivity> reisio: can I pass a custom parameter/whatever through GRUB to get my idea done?
[17:26] <lmat> adamk: Perhaps there's something in a PPA to fix *that* ^_^
[17:26] <k1l_> lmat: ubuntu hosts it. just not packed for every ubuntu release.
[17:26] <reisio> Ubuntivity: yeah
[17:26] <lmat> k1l_: ah, okay :)
[17:26] <Ubuntivity> reisio: or at least modify the $PATH value through GRUB?
[17:27] <reisio> you could yes
[17:27] <lmat> guess this will have to do http://kovshenin.com/2013/subversion-1-7-on-ubuntu-12-04/  viruses, come to mama !!
[17:27] <usr13> xero_: See my PM
[17:27] <Ubuntivity> reisio: How can I do that please?
[17:27] <reisio> but I would, in the strange event I wanted this, modify the script that starts the DM
[17:27] <lmat> (jk)
[17:27] <usr13> xero_: Hello?
[17:28] <FailDrain> When I logged out of my session no gui came up instead I'm in command line
[17:28] <FailDrain> how do I fix this
[17:28] <reisio> you mean rootkits :p
[17:28] <LjL> Ubuntivity: you can check the parameters that were passed to the server by reading the pseudofile  /proc/cmdline
[17:28] <lmat> oh, wow, that was easy! Next time someone asks this, just tell them " add  'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/svn/ppa ubuntu precise main' to /etc/apt/sources.list, then upgrade and install subversion" :D
[17:28] <reisio> viruses are viruses because you don't willingly install them :p
[17:28] <LjL> Ubuntivity: s/server/kernel/
[17:29] <makara_> hi. How to increase pointer speed, when using my notebook's touchpad?
[17:29] <FailDrain> is there a way to active gui mode in command line?
[17:29] <Ubuntivity> Amazing solution, LjL! Thank you very much :)
[17:29]  * Ubuntivity has his problem solved
[17:30] <makara_> FailDrain, you need to start the X window system
[17:30] <FailDrain> how do I do that?
[17:30] <Ubuntivity> Thank you LjL, reisio, vanishing, and everyone else :)
[17:30] <FailDrain> makara_
[17:30] <makara_> FailDrain, its beyond you. What distro are you using?
[17:30] <reisio> makara_: xset m 5 1
[17:30] <FailDrain> makara_: Ubuntu 13.0
[17:30] <reisio> FailDrain: what do you want the gui for?
[17:31] <makara_> FailDrain, server or desktop? Desktop should have a gui by default
[17:31] <makara_> reisio, thx
[17:31] <FailDrain> makara: I deleted it then renistalled it by accident
[17:32] <makara_> deleted it by accident, then reinstalled it....so now it should work??
[17:32] <OerHeks> FailDrain, you should mention this right away... try to reboot to see if it is solved
[17:32] <mavsman> Has anyone seen success with dual booting ubuntu and mac osx mavericks? I just upgraded to mavericks and now I can't boot into ubuntu anymore
[17:33] <memoryleak> mavsman: proabbly https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows will help to fix the boot loader
[17:33] <mavsman> memoryleak: thanks, I'll take a look
[17:35] <DrMax_> is there a way of disabling the "this window is ready" notification ?
[17:37] <meltingw1x> hey saucy salamanders
[17:38] <OerHeks> DrMax_, when do you get that notification, never seen it before
[17:39] <HisaoNakai> lol meltingw1x
[17:39] <makara_> reisio, any idea how to make these settings stick - don't want to have to retype every time I startup
[17:40] <DrMax_> OerHeks : say I bind a keyboard short cut, windows-W to launch firefox
[17:41] <DrMax_> it pops "firefox brower | page title | URL | is ready
[17:41] <DrMax_> each time.
[17:41] <DrMax_> On gnome
[17:41] <DrMax_> And that prevents the new window from having the focus
[17:41] <DrMax_> (which is retarded)
[17:42] <DrMax_> I am not sure it's related to the notification
[17:42] <DrMax_> it's annoying and would like to get rid of it away
[17:43] <DrMax_> but gnome is inconsistent on how it gives focus to applications launched via a keyboard shortcut
[17:43] <DrMax_> terminal gets keyboard everytime
[17:43] <DrMax_> nautilus some
[17:43] <DrMax_> Firefox only if first window
[17:43] <zykotick9> !enter | DrMax_
[17:43] <DrMax_> and never after
[17:45] <DrMax_> ok
[17:47] <OerHeks> DrMax_, you could kill notifyosd to get rid of all notifications, i don't know if that could be done for one program/shortkey
[17:49] <DrMax_> is there a configuration somewhere where I can change some of the notifications? (rather than killing or uninstalling the whole notification system)
[17:49] <usr13> xero: Ok
[17:53] <lmat> DrMax_: I don't know what you mean. Which notifications ?
[17:53] <nAn00k> Anyone know how I can assemble something with ld without symbols?
[17:54] <xyzwhatever> hey guyse,   can I set two users to have the same home directory or will it break everything??
[17:54] <lmat> xyzwhatever: That's a good question :) tyas ?
[17:54] <lmat> xyzwhatever: IT should be fin.
[17:54] <xyzwhatever> kthxbye
[17:54] <lmat> doh... it should be fine.
[17:55] <nAn00k> Anyone know how I can assemble something with ld without symbols?
[17:57] <nAn00k> xyzwhatever yes you can you have to remove the sub dirs first the command is: sudo rm -rf /
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> what's ld?
[17:58] <nAn00k> An assembler
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> !find ld
[17:59] <Pumpkin-_> in case it isn't obvious, don't do what nAn00k just said.
[17:59] <nAn00k> yes deff dont do what i said lol
[17:59] <nAn00k> unless you wanna rebuild your system ;)
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> nAn00k  how is your question ubuntu related?
[17:59] <OerHeks> stop trolling nAn00k
[17:59] <nAn00k> ld is the assembler that comes with ubuntu
[18:00] <awi> hai...need help about xdman
[18:00] <Ubuntivity>  Out of pure curiosity, what does /proc/locks represent?
[18:00] <nAn00k> Im trying to get a forkbomb under 500 bytes in a system i have a shell on because im limited in disk space but the damn thing is trying to put symbols in it and that makes my exicutable >500 bytes
[18:01] <nAn00k> Its an Ubuntu rig
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> nAn00k  i guess you issue is beyond this channel
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> your*
[18:01] <LjL> Ubuntivity: files that have a POSIX "advisory lock", meaning that programs shouldn't write to them until the lock is gone, because some other program already is
[18:01] <awi> hai...need help about xdman
[18:02] <Ubuntivity> Thanks LjL.
[18:02] <awi> hai...need help about xdman
[18:02] <nAn00k> Anyone know a good low level programmingh channel?
[18:02] <doomlord_> osdev?
[18:02] <doomlord_> asm?
[18:02] <reisio> nAn00k: #C
[18:02] <nAn00k> ty ty
[18:03] <doomlord_> how low llevel
[18:03] <bekks> nAn00k: Programming fork bombs has nothing to do with "low level". The shortest fork bombs are known to be shell snippets, which take a few bytes only.
[18:03] <nAn00k> x86 assembly
[18:03] <reisio> not much point going lower than C
[18:03] <bekks> nAn00k: And even this was too much to tell, actually.
[18:04] <nAn00k> i need to write it in asm the shell is command limited and C is just too bloated to fit my space requirements
[18:04] <Trudko> Hi guys I am trying to setup appache and I have this config file: http://pastie.org/8463273 . It is RoR application(passenger apache) so I had to run ln -s /home/user/websitesfolder/myappfolder/public  /home/user/websitesfolder/myappfolder but i get error /home/user/websitesfolder/myappfolder/public': File exists
[18:04] <reisio> nAn00k: ah, travelling back in time to when you couldn't fit dozens of gigs on a fingernail-sized card?
[18:05] <nAn00k> nah im just a limited user lol
[18:05] <doomlord_> ##asm
[18:05] <doomlord_> i've only written a tiny amount of x86 asm myself
[18:05] <LjL> please let's keep in on-topic for this channel
[18:05] <awi> why i cant download using xdman when i try to dmnload from the adf.ly?????
[18:06] <nAn00k> Ljl sorry im off to #asm
[18:06] <awi> why i cant download using xdman when i try to dmnload from the adf.ly?????
[18:06] <vanishing> whats xdman?
[18:06] <LjL> awi: i don't understand what you're asking, maybe you should elaborate a bit more, instead of repeating the question multiple times
[18:07] <awi> extreme download manager...
[18:07] <awi> ermmm.ok LjL
[18:07] <vanishing> welll...you have to ask the author of xdman...
[18:08] <awi> owh....ok
[18:08] <OerHeks> awi, that  adf.ly is an url shortener, get the full url
[18:10] <Marlenee> any altrantive ncruse for cssh i usee pssh ?
[18:10] <babinlonston> Is it Linux Penguin is Open Source and can i use it in my website ? or its hav Copyright ?
[18:11] <awi> ermmmm...actually xdman nt automticallly download with xdman.dats the prob.but if use window,it automatically download with idm
[18:11] <reisio> babinlonston: most governments consider all things to have copyright
[18:11] <reisio> babinlonston: that's separate from right to use
[18:11] <babinlonston> :(
[18:12] <kostkon> babinlonston, the penguin logo?
[18:12] <babinlonston> kostkon: yessssssss
[18:12] <beandog> babinlonston: you mean Tux.  Yah you're fine
[18:12] <kostkon> babinlonston, its copyrighted obviously but under gpl or some other license. so yeah go ahead and use it
[18:12] <babinlonston> Same Tux
[18:12] <nAn00k> Found it '-s' flag :D
[18:13] <babinlonston> Wow Cool then i'm gonna  use in my site
[18:13] <babinlonston> thanks buddy
[18:13] <kostkon> babinlonston, maybe its wikipedia entry will say more about it
[18:13] <Harmageddon> Hi everyone! I'm trying to boot from an Ubuntu 13.10 Live CD (64bit). There is the Ubuntu loading screen, then it suddenly stops with an "divide error: 000 [#1] SMP"
[18:13] <babinlonston> kostkon: ok let me check
[18:14] <zykotick9> babinlonston: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux there is an acknowledgement requirement!
[18:14] <babinlonston> oh k
[18:15] <Shadowandlight> Afternoon all , having a mysql issue I cant seem to solve... Posted here http://askubuntu.com/questions/372580/issue-getting-mysql-to-work-correctly
[18:15] <VlanX> hello there, any simple way to backup an android phone to Ubuntu 12.10 ?
[18:16] <reisio> VlanX: dd, or mount & rsync/cp/tar
[18:16] <zykotick9> Shadowandlight: ahh, if you are using pip, it's not really an ubuntu issue IMO
[18:17] <VlanX> reisio: will this backup phone numbers, messages and so on?
[18:17] <Orcie> Lo
[18:17] <Orcie> I am trying a mini.iso install
[18:17] <Orcie> but as soon as I am offered to choose language my keyboard does not work anymore
[18:17] <Shadowandlight> zykotick9: is there some other method i can use to fix this?
[18:17] <Rory> Orcie: It is a known bug, is it a USB keyboard?
[18:17] <Orcie> guess the installer is broken
[18:17] <Orcie> Rory: yup
[18:17] <ENYERBETH> hola
[18:18] <ENYERBETH> cm estan
[18:18] <Orcie> Are there other options besides usb :)
[18:18] <zykotick9> Shadowandlight: sorry i don't know...  not an area i'm knowledable in... best of luck.
[18:18] <Orcie> ps/2 is old :D
[18:18] <Rory> Orcie: I know it affects the Ubuntu Server installation image, I didn't know it affected that one too
[18:18] <Orcie> Rory how to fix?
[18:19] <Orcie> it is 64bit image
[18:19] <Rory> Orcie: I don't think there's a fix at the moment, at least for the server image. I don't know if this is the same issue but here is the bug I was talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1244176
[18:19] <zykotick9> Orcie: see if your BIOS has usb legacy (or some such wording) enabled...  fyi, i'm having the usb keyboard issue right now across multiple computers (but ps/2 keeps working in my cases)
[18:20] <reisio> VlanX: not unless they're stored on the phone
[18:20] <Orcie> no offense but isn't this kinda critical?
[18:20] <reisio> VlanX: you'd probably need an on-phone app to do that, if it's even possible
[18:20] <reisio> which it should be
[18:20] <zykotick9> Orcie: fyi, it's not limited to ubuntu (i'm not using ubuntu in my case)
[18:22] <Rory> Orcie: Yeah it's kind of embarassing. It's worth trying zykotick9's suggestion though, I hadn't considered that
[18:22] <sam113101> is there a way to do grep but also print the lines around the matches?
[18:22] <reisio> sam113101: -B 2 -A 2
[18:24] <VlanX> resio: yeah i think you're probably right
[18:24] <sam113101> reisio: thanks
[18:24] <sam113101> lol this is great, I didn't know you could do that
[18:25] <reisio> :p
[18:25] <sam113101> the unix tools are so powerful
[18:25] <reisio> yarp
[18:25] <Orcie_> What is the cause of the bug?
[18:25] <Orcie_> legacy was enabled
[18:26] <Orcie_> No succes tough
[18:26] <zykotick9> Orcie_: i'm not surprised.  doesn't work for me either... but was worth a shot.  well, if you don't have a ps2 keyboard and/or port, i've got no suggestions...  best of luck.
[18:27] <wg0d> hello
[18:27] <Orcie_> anybody got a clue what the cause is?
[18:27] <Orcie_> It must be the installer right?
[18:27] <Orcie_> It is working in the bios so why not in the installer
[18:27] <Rory> Orcie_: The best info will be on that bug report really
[18:27] <wg0d> anyone kind enough to help me with an issue related to xdebug on ubuntu ?
[18:27] <tupkish> hmm, why is the ubuntu logo different form windows?
[18:28] <tupkish> aren't they both computers?
[18:28] <Rory> tupkish: Is that a serious question?
[18:28] <reisio> tupkish: neither windows nor ubuntu are computers
[18:28] <vanishing> sam113101: man's your best friend :)
[18:28] <compdoc> I wish I had a best friend
[18:28] <Rory> tupkish: The same reason the Snickers logo is different from M&Ms even though they're both sugar
[18:28] <reisio> I wish you had, too
[18:28] <tupkish> compdoc.. try doccomp!~
[18:28] <Orcie_> what a waste of time...
[18:28] <tupkish> they are great friends
[18:29] <tupkish> Rory... I htink they are both chocolate, even if they contain sugar
[18:29] <tupkish> thats like saying a woman is a man , because she has teeth!
[18:29] <tupkish> :/
[18:29] <vanishing> Orcie_: maybe because Bios controls it? I dunno
[18:30] <ZeThomas> hello, although I have set up my power management to do nothing when the laptop lid is closed, it still goes into some kind of suspend mode; how is this possible?
[18:30] <tupkish> didn't answer though why ubuntuy logo is different :(
[18:31] <reisio> ZeThomas: how'd you set it up?
[18:31] <vanishing> tupkish: why not different?
[18:31] <wg0d> no xdebug expert around here ?
[18:31] <reisio> tupkish: different from what
[18:31] <vanishing> this is like asking why 1+1 = 2
[18:32] <tupkish> why is the ubuntu logo different form the windows logo
[18:32] <tupkish> when they are both computers?
[18:32] <bazhang> !ot | tupkish
[18:32] <ZeThomas> reisio: with xfce4-power-manager; almost everything is set to 'do nothing'
[18:32] <Rory> tupkish: It's different because Ubuntu and Windows are separate products, and they have different logos because they have different brands
[18:32] <tupkish> but they are both computers!
[18:32] <vanishing> tupkish: so?
[18:33] <Pici> tupkish: This channel is for serious support queries, please stop with the nonsense.
[18:33] <Rory> ZeThomas: Are you using Xubuntu? It might be a Xubuntu-specific issue, try asking in the #xubuntu channel to see if they can help
[18:33] <DJones> tupkish: That is like asking why a Mercedes badge is different to a Skoda badge even though they're both cars.  It is however offtopic, so please don't continue the discussion
[18:34] <ZeThomas> reisio, actually I have lubuntu
[18:34] <Rory> ZeThomas: Again, it might be a Lubuntu-specific issue since I don't experience that behaviour on Ubuntu, you might try the #lubuntu channel
[18:34] <reisio> ZeThomas: doesn't answer my question
[18:35] <Pici> tupkish: if you haven't already realized it, you're currently muted because you are disrupting the channel.
[18:35] <reisio> ZeThomas: oh xfce you said, well well
[18:35] <reisio> ZeThomas: did that come with Lubuntu?
[18:36] <Rory> reisio: I think Lubuntu uses the xfce4-power-manager
[18:36] <reisio> I think many things :p
[18:37] <ZeThomas> reisio, it must, I don't recall installing any power management myself, and the install is one week old
[18:37] <reisio> ZeThomas: pastebinit xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -l -v
[18:38] <ZeThomas> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377772/
[18:39] <reisio> ZeThomas: and you want closing the lid to do nothing?
[18:40] <ZeThomas> yes (well except the screenlight)
[18:41] <reisio> ZeThomas: and instead it does what?
[18:42] <ZeThomas> it does something standby-y, the power led starts blinking, and I suspect it stops my calculations when I'm running tests for my work
[18:42] <reisio> suspect?
[18:43] <ZeThomas> reisio, let me test
[18:48] <nsaquatics1> Afternoon! I'm having a problem with a botched mysql install that refuses to be removed from the system. Ubuntu 12.01 mysql-server 5.5
[18:49] <bodhi_zazen> nsaquatics1 error message ?
[18:49] <Rory> nsaquatics1: How did you install it, and how are you trying to uninstall it? Can you put the command you ran, along with the full output on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:50] <ZeThomas> reisio: it does: stops calculations, audio/video playback, network activity, and fans
[18:51] <reisio> ZeThomas: okay, maybe you have more than one power manager running, then
[18:51] <nsaquatics1> Well it was install long ago.. I don't haqve that information. the full out of what i am getting now I can post if pastbin is not used here.
[18:52] <bodhi_zazen> nsaquatics1 use pastebin
[18:52] <nsaquatics1> Did the link not go through? I pasted the error message.
[18:52] <Rory> nsaquatics1: use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:53] <reisio> ZeThomas: run this to be sure, though: xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p '/xfce4-power-manager/lid-action-on-ac' -n -t uint -s 0 && xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p '/xfce4-power-manager/lid-action-on-battery' -n -t uint -s 0
[18:53] <GeeJee> anyone a suggestion for instruction on lib pam mount? Trying already for 2 evenings to get it working.
[18:53] <nsaquatics1> Here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6377857/
[18:54] <Guest55337> salve
[18:54] <reisio> salvete
[18:54] <Rory> nsaquatics1: Can you try: sudo apt-get remove mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server
[18:55] <nsaquatics1> Rory: SOB... that time it worked... I swear I tried that...
[18:56] <nsaquatics1> You guys rock!...
[18:57] <Rory> Glad it is working now :)
[18:58] <timini> How can I search for a package, with Fedora there's a command "yum provides xscreensaver-command"
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> timini: this is an ubuntu support channel mate
[18:58] <zykotick9> timini: "apt-cache search foo" usually works
[18:59] <timini> THanks :)
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> timini: or for individual files:  apt-file search filename
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> timini: if the file is already installed nd you want to know the package it belongs to:  dpkg -S filename
[19:00] <moondoggy> Is there a decent pdf form editor that will work on Ubuntu?  Neither Okular nor Evince will save my form fields, but both save check-box marks.
[19:00] <wg0d> anyone familiar with xdebug check this issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2186484&p=12841566
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> i recently tried to connect my ubuntu 13.04 laptop with eth cable to a wifi repeater, disabled wireless but icon was still searching for a network and i could not connect to http://192... any clues?
[19:00] <Rory> moondoggy: Take a look at pdfedit https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/lucid/pdfedit/
[19:01] <moondoggy> I have pdfedit, Rory .  That overlays text boxes, right?  It doesn't seem to recognize the actual form.
[19:01] <Ubuntivity> Hello, I have both / and /home on the same partition, but I want to move my /home directory to a new partition (that is currently FAT32), so what is the proper way of formatting it into EXT4 and assigning it to /home directory?
[19:02] <savetheinternet> hi
[19:02] <Rory> moondoggy: Do you know if the form is actually editable?
[19:02] <Rory> Ubuntivity: There's a guide on the wiki here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:02] <trirnoth> Upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 about a month ago without any issues. Today having strange problems. Certain programs (so far pidgin and firefox) show as running in ps and top, but no window. Ran from the command line with the respective debug options and not seeing any issues.
[19:03] <moondoggy> Strange--I can type in the fields, but it doesn't show up in the printout.
[19:03] <reisio> savetheinternet: hi
[19:03] <Rory> Ubuntivity: You can use the "gparted" partition editor to edit partitions and format them as ext4 and others
[19:03] <moondoggy> The creator claims we can type in it and email it back.
[19:03] <trirnoth> Any ideas appreciated. bugging the "heck" out of me.
[19:04] <Ubuntivity> Thanks Rory, but I need to do that in command line (Using Ubuntu Server).
[19:04] <Harmageddon>  I'm trying to boot from an Ubuntu 13.10 Live CD (64bit). There is the Ubuntu loading screen, then it suddenly stops with an "divide error: 000 [#1] SMP". Does anybody have an idea how to solve this?
[19:04] <Ubuntivity> Rory: That guide seems good. I'm going to read through it.
[19:04] <Rory> Ubuntivity: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdXN
[19:05] <Rory> Harmageddon: Sounds very much like either a corrupted .iso file, or a corrupted burned DVD
[19:05] <Rory> !md5sum | Harmageddon
[19:05] <Ubuntivity> Thanks Rory :)
[19:06] <Rory> Ubuntivity: I think all other instructions on that page can be followed on the server too
[19:06] <cordyceps> Harm
[19:06] <cordyceps> Harmageddon:
[19:07] <Ubuntivity> Rory: I believe so. thanks
[19:07] <cordyceps> googled that found one ref(googlewhack!).
[19:07] <cordyceps> there's an explanation in there, me, Don't know what it means. Maybe useful ;)
[19:08] <Ubuntivity> what does "lost+found" folder represent?
[19:08] <drewdrewdrew> hi
[19:09] <reisio> Ubuntivity: it is cryptically named, isn't it :p
[19:09] <reisio> Ubuntivity: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html
[19:09] <Harmageddon> ubottu: Ok, it looks pretty broken... :(
[19:09] <reisio> drewdrewdrew: hi
[19:09] <Harmageddon> sorry
[19:09] <Harmageddon> Rory: It looks pretty broken. :(
[19:10] <Harmageddon> I'll try it with a new one
[19:10] <Rory> Harmageddon: How do you mean? If the md5sum does not match you will have to re-download the image
[19:10] <Harmageddon> thank you!
[19:10] <Guest55337> http://xdcc_17
[19:10] <Rory> Harmageddon: At least it was something simple :)
[19:10] <Harmageddon> exactly
[19:11] <Harmageddon> at least I only have to use another blank DVD, but as long as I'm not out of them, it's ok :)
[19:12] <kaziqta> hi
[19:12] <kaziqta> I need some help, somebody available?
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> !ask | kaziqta
[19:13] <kaziqta> I just installed ZorinOS, but after the install all my second partition is gone, music, media, all that, how to recover it?
[19:13] <acecabana> !patience
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> kaziqta: this is an ubuntu support channel mate
[19:13] <kaziqta> nobody in the other, man :)
[19:14] <kaziqta> the thing is it should be done the same way, so here I am sure there are people that know how to help
[19:14] <nAn00k>  hi
[19:14] <kaziqta> so anyone?
[19:15] <vanishing> sorry it doesnt work like that mate...
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> kaziqta: plz dont persist, this is not the channel for ZorinOs
[19:15] <deper29> kaziqta: is the partition wiped?
[19:16] <kaziqta> not visible
[19:16] <deper29> kaziqta: have you tried to mount it?
[19:16] <kaziqta> well my HDD is 320GB, and now only one is visible with 320GB free space
[19:16] <kaziqta> I haven't formatted, haven't deleted partitions
[19:17] <deper29> kaziqta: did you install and choose to use the whole disk?
[19:17] <deper29> if so, I have bad news for you.
[19:17] <kaziqta> no
[19:17] <kaziqta> only thing I chose was to install it instead of windows 8
[19:18] <deper29> kaziqta: pastebin 'fdisk -l'
[19:18] <deper29> I want to take a peek at your partitions
[19:19] <pero> is there any way to quick preview PSD files like on a mac?
[19:19] <kermit> networkmanager brings up my ethernet, but then brings it back down 2 seconds later, over and over.. if i stop network manager while it's up, it stays up and works fine.. why would it do that?
[19:19] <reisio> pero: imagemagick's 'display'
[19:19] <tzx> I converted my hard disk from GPT to MBR
[19:20] <reisio> gj
[19:20] <tzx> The partitions are intact but it won't boot.
[19:20] <pero> reisio: is there any way to tie that to nautilus?
[19:20] <kaziqta> Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>76 bytes
[19:20] <kaziqta> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
[19:20] <kaziqta> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[19:20] <kaziqta> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[19:20] <kaziqta> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[19:20] <FloodBot1> kaziqta: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:20] <tzx> I tried reinstalling GRUB2, running Boot-Repair, reinstalling Xubuntu.
[19:20] <kaziqta> Disk identifier: 0x000e8ddf
[19:20] <reisio> pero: yup
[19:21] <tzx> None of those have had any effect.
[19:21] <pero> do tell :)
[19:21] <reisio> pero: same as any app association
[19:21] <deper29> kaziqta: based on your output, it looks like you just have one partition
[19:21] <tzx> Does anyone have any idea how I might fix this?
[19:21] <pero> reisio: i've never done that before - where can i read up?
[19:21] <deper29> kermit: pastebin dmesg
[19:21] <kaziqta> so what's up with my second one that I used for 2 years?
[19:21] <reisio> pero: historically you just right click, properties/open with/etc.
[19:22] <deper29> kaziqta: I don't know, but it's not there.
[19:22] <kaziqta> that is messed up
[19:22] <kaziqta> can I recover it?
[19:22] <deper29> kaziqta: no
[19:22] <pero> reisio: nice, got it
[19:22] <deper29> you have sda1 and sda2. sda2 is swap
[19:22] <pero> thx
[19:23] <kaziqta> nobody asked me if I want to format or delete partitions
[19:23] <deper29> kaziqta: I am not familiar with the install process of zorin
[19:23] <deper29> but I do know that you only have one partition
[19:23] <reisio> kaziqta: you can probably recover at least some of it
[19:23] <deper29> well, a swap one as well I guess
[19:24] <kaziqta> I care only about my music, my tabs and my demos
[19:24] <kaziqta> and all my pics from going around the world
[19:25] <pero> reisio: all the PSDs I want to look at are of too high resolution for my screen - any way I can zoom in/out ?
[19:25] <kaziqta> do you know if testdisk can recover it?
[19:25] <deper29> kaziqta: I don't have experience recovering stuff. I do recommend backups though. Having everything on only one computer is analagous to carrying all of your money as cash in your wallet.
[19:26] <reisio> pero: clicking gives a few options
[19:26] <kaziqta> well if that is so :) I have to recover 80GB of music
[19:26] <reisio> pero: otherwise look at man display
[19:28] <ZeThomas> reisio, I ran what you gave me, but it gave no output
[19:28] <reisio> ZeThomas: that's normal
[19:28] <reisio> ZeThomas: close your lid and see if anything's changed
[19:29] <ZeThomas> reisio, nothing changed
[19:30] <martinrame> Hi, any LVM expert out there?
[19:30] <moondoggy> Rory: I installed master-pdf-editor, pdfedit, okular and evince, but none of them properly tab through the form fields to just fill in the form.
[19:30] <moondoggy> Any other ideas?
[19:31] <moondog> moondoggy: hey! not fair.
[19:31] <moondoggy> Me????  I'll trade ya!
[19:31] <reisio> ZeThomas: k, maybe there's another power manager running, then
[19:31] <moondog> :)
[19:31] <reisio> or your laptop could be awful and have a hardware override :p
[19:31] <reisio> not actually ever heard of that, though
[19:32] <moondoggy> Funny that I tried to register "moondog" first.  Was "moondoggy" your first try?
[19:32] <moondoggy> No, I guess that would be an unlikely race condition.  :)
[19:32] <moondog> no, I've had moondog and moondoggie for about 10 years
[19:33] <ZeThomas> reisio, there is a setting in my bios to do something like that on lid close, but ofcourse I also set that to off
[19:33] <moondog> but I think we're off-topic :)
[19:33] <moondoggy> Yeah, barking up the wrong tree.  Ok, I'll stop right now.
[19:33] <deper29> ZeThomas: what are you trying to do?
[19:34] <tzx> Anyone have any clue about how to get a functional Xubuntu partition to boot when the MBR/GRUB are trashed/not working?
[19:35] <reisio> tzx: make them working
[19:35] <reisio> tzx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:35] <tzx> I ran that.
[19:35] <tzx> Twice.
[19:36] <Ycarene> I can't find any reliable fixes on google, when I log into KDE I get "Graphic Tablet Error" "Profile default does not exist"  When I use the mouse portion of my tablet (Wacom Intuos3 4x6) I can move the cursor but eventually the buttons stop working.
[19:36] <reisio> what exactly is the problem?
[19:36] <tzx> My system won't boot.
[19:36] <reisio> tzx: what's it say when it tries to boot?
[19:36] <Ubuntivity> Sorry I was disconnected due to poor network. So, what does 'lost+found' directory mean?
[19:36] <tzx> No operating system.
[19:37] <martinrame> Does anyone faced the "device-mapper: table: 252:0 sda5 too small for target..." error?
[19:37] <Ycarene> lost+found is a dumping ground for data found by fsck that it doesn't know where to put elsewhere.
[19:38]  * Ubuntivity is suffering from connection problems
[19:39] <Ycarene> Repeating for Ubuntivity - /lost+found/ is where stuff fsck find that it doesn't know what else to do with.
[19:41] <ZeThomas> deper29: closing the lid makes my laptop go standby, even though i have not configured this
[19:42] <mehdi> I'm looking to dump all the kernel threads to review, is there a particular kernel debug package i need to dig up?
[19:45] <kermit> deper29: http://pastebin.com/uUgeickD  .. i think its a loop where changing the mac, causes a carrier change, which causes networkmanager to reset the mac, etc etc.. its not a big deal really as i can work around it.
[19:47] <deper29> ZeThomas: you're using kde?
[19:47] <ZeThomas> deper29: no, lxde
[19:48] <deper29> ZeThomas: uhh, I've never played with their powermanager :)
[19:48] <deper29> kermit: you're changing yoru mac?
[19:49] <kermit> deper29: yes
[19:49] <kermit> deper29: and it doesnt seem to enter this loop when i dont
[19:50] <ZeThomas> deper29: they use the one from xdce; reisio: even if i kill and uninstall xfce4-power-manager, this behavior stays
[19:50] <Lars_G> Ok, when I have non upstart init scripts in 12.04, what is the right way to move them to/from init levels? rm ln by hand, or is there an approved tool?
[19:52] <deper29> kermit: now, I haven't changed my mac for a while, but I do remember you had to put eth0 down before you changed mac
[19:52] <deper29> ZeThomas: do you use acpi?
[19:53] <azi`> after upgrading to 13.04 wireless is not working anymore (intel Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300) is not working anymore.. in particular I cannot even press the wireless button on the laptop to turn it on
[19:53] <azi`> anyone happens to have any suggestions how to fix it? there is nothing related to this on the net that is useful for me
[19:53] <ZeThomas> deper29: yes, I have acpi_osi=Linux
[19:54] <deper29> ZeThomas: I mean, does it use acpi as a power manager?
[19:54] <ZeThomas> deper29: how do i check that?
[19:54] <deper29> is there a /etc/acpi/default.sh?
[19:55] <ZeThomas> deper29: no, only /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[19:57] <bah_humbug> quit
[19:57] <acecabana> what does it mean when firefox's window goes dark
[19:57] <bah_humbug> \quit
[19:57] <deper29> ZeThomas: I'm not sure why it would suspend then. Is there some settings that can disable that in lxde?
[19:57] <vanishing> bah_humbug: /quit
[19:58] <bah_humbug> Thanks man, going to exit in shame now
[19:58] <vanishing> lols
[19:58] <ZeThomas> deper29: no, I don't think so
[19:58] <nanlo> is there a way i can customize my live cd? with settings and programs I don't have to configure each time I boot
[19:59] <Lars_G> when I have non upstart init scripts in 12.04, what is the right way to move them to/from init levels? rm ln by hand, or is there an approved tool?
[20:00] <vanishing> nanlo: i dont think you can...
[20:01] <vanishing> nanlo: that's what install is for..
[20:01] <nanlo> vanishing: looking for a liveusb that I can take from computer to computer
[20:01] <vanishing> nanlo: well in that case you might
[20:01] <nanlo> vanishing: install wouldn't be appropriate for that use case
[20:01] <vanishing> usb :)
[20:02] <zykotick9> nanlo: you can install onto usb, and have it portable (so long as you don't want to use it as install media)
[20:03] <nanlo> zykotick9: ah, that's exactly what I want
[20:05] <ultraartlu> heya
[20:05] <irGautvol> I have a sort of working gui again with another userid. but my terminal has bad profile - wrong user. Let's start with unity or lightdm flickering when I move the mouse. pcieport driver. I think I should use radeon. How to change on 13.10?
[20:07] <deper29> ZeThomas: http://goo.gl/NcGon0
[20:08] <xeno_> Any fix known for chromedriver not working presently on selenium webdriver ruby?
[20:09] <xeno_> I got the firefox config working out of the box, but the chrome version falls flat.
[20:09] <dreamy_> does anyone knows if there is any video chat application where you can meet people?
[20:09] <dreamy_> with video
[20:09] <vanishing> dreamy_: skype? google hangout?
[20:10] <Pici> xeno_: have you considered asking in #selenium ?
[20:10] <xeno_> Ok.
[20:10] <dreamy_> but in skype theres no chat rooms
[20:10] <david38400> I've just installed Ubuntu 12 with Thunderbird email. Its been ok for the last few days, but all of a sudden my inbox is listing everything badly. Can anyone help please
[20:10] <dreamy_> is there any with chat rooms?
[20:10] <vanishing> i wouldn't know...:D
[20:10] <reisio> dreamy_: lots of web based ones
[20:10] <deper29> dreamy_: I would do Google+ mixed with Google Hangouts
[20:11] <dreamy_> i know one called camfrog
[20:11] <ZeThomas> deper29: I don't have /etc/acpi/lidbtn.sh, nor a /etc/acpi/actions folder...
[20:11] <dreamy_> theres already a project to try to make it run in linux
[20:12] <irGautvol> dreamy_ deper29's comment sounds good
[20:12] <ultraartlu> is there some people here who wants to talk about BLINK!*@ or RANCID for example??? oooor give me a link there i'll be able to do that / i'm a fcking noob here but i like IRC very much, and i'm searching some cool stuff like channels wibbbily bubbbly networks :) thank you
[20:12] <Pici> !alis | ultraartlu
[20:12] <dreamy_> irGautvol, google+ has conversation chat rooms?
[20:13] <vanishing> dreamy_: every hangout is a "chat room"
[20:13] <deper29> dreamy_: no, but if you look on google+ you can find communities
[20:13] <reisio> hangouts is the video stuff
[20:13] <deper29> and some of them do the hangouts. You can do video or just chat
[20:13] <reisio> ultraartlu: gogloom.com
[20:13] <dreamy_> so ill do a search with google hangouts?
[20:14] <dreamy_> right
[20:14] <ultraartlu> i'm joing the question 'bout video chats)) is there some stuff like chartroulette?
[20:14] <reisio> there's chatroulette
[20:14] <deper29> ultraartlu: there's one even better! there's chatroulette!
[20:15] <deper29> damn, reisio beat me to it
[20:15] <reisio> heh
[20:15] <ultraartlu> alotta masturbation there))
[20:15] <reisio> what webcams are for
[20:15] <irGautvol> dreamy_ I think communities will work good enough
[20:16] <dreamy_> camfrog has a nick list and a chatroom, like in here in this chat rom
[20:17] <ultraartlu> LSD MUSHROOMS WEED DMT 25i-Nbome
[20:17] <ultraartlu> hahah
[20:17] <ultraartlu> just cool words
[20:17] <Sickki> drugs!
[20:17] <genii> ultraartlu: This is Ubuntu support channel. Please stop with the spam or you will be booted.
[20:17] <ultraartlu> lets play some drug game?
[20:18] <ultraartlu> sorry genii
[20:19] <gines> alguien me ayuda?
[20:19] <ultraartlu> i'm really sorry
[20:19] <genii> ultraartlu: If you have some Ubuntu support question, this is the right place :)
[20:19] <Pici> !es | gines
[20:19] <ultraartlu> i just want to find the place there is a lot of fun))
[20:20] <irGautvol> Any switches for ccsm / lightdm / unity for stopping flickering or how to switch to radeon driver for 13.10?
[20:20] <mehdi> what does it take to dump the kernel threads?
[20:20] <vanishing> #alotoffun
[20:20] <dreamy_> gine: hablo Espanhol
[20:20] <ultraartlu> ow talking on #alotoffun
[20:21] <vanishing> irGautvol: can you elaborate?
[20:21] <frog__> I am trieing to run 5.1 audio over an spdif output and i am trieing to use this instruction: http://opennomad.com/content/ubuntu-1210-and-spdif-or-iec958-or-optical-audio-output . I am at the point where i must start pavucontrol. there i get the following message: http://snag.gy/X3roo.jpg . What am i doing wrong?
[20:22] <genii> ultraartlu: If you don't have a support question, #ubuntu-offtopic channel is more appropriate to just chat in.
[20:22] <ljunggren> hey, i installed drivers from amd website.. how can i remove them? i want to use either opensource or fgrlx-updates
[20:23] <vanishing> ljunggren: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-propretary-ati-drivers
[20:23] <ultraartlu> thnx genii
[20:24] <irGautvol> vanishing since upgrade to 13.10 lightdm kicks my original user out and defaults back to session=gnome-fallback - which I used to eliminate flickering. Any other users can log in but screen flickers with updates
[20:24] <ljunggren> vanishing, oh and.. what is the difference between "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" and "xserver-xorg-video-ati" ?
[20:25] <irGautvol> vanishing updates = mouse movement or windows opening
[20:25] <ljunggren> vanishing, hey, i don't have fgrlx-updates or fgrlx installed so that guide does not apply to me right? :(
[20:25] <irGautvol> vanishing I use another user id (with chown of my stuff) to get into gui.
[20:26] <adamk> ljunggren: How did you install the drivers from the AMD website?  Did you build deb packages to install or did you just run the installation program directly?
[20:27] <deper29> adamk: I believ you can just run their install directly.
[20:27] <shroomduke> I had a similar problem irGautov , installed video driver and everything went to hell
[20:27] <ljunggren> adamk, i can't really remember.. i belive i  ran it directly
[20:27] <adamk> ljunggren: Check in /usr/share/ati/ for an uninstallation script.
[20:27] <ljunggren> adamk, if i built a deb package and installed it it would turn up as installed right?
[20:27] <ljunggren> in synaptic
[20:27] <shroomduke> oops
[20:27] <adamk> ljunggren: Yes, it should.
[20:28] <irGautvol> shroomduke How did you recover?
[20:28] <shroomduke> I uninstalled the driver from recovery shell
[20:28] <ljunggren> adamk, i have one amd-uninstall.sh ?
[20:28] <glad> hi guys i'm new here and i've no sound on edubuntu 13.04 any help pls
[20:28] <ljunggren> adamk, and fgrlx-uninstall.sh
[20:29] <adamk> ljunggren: OK, so run one, and if the other still exists after, run it too.
[20:29] <adamk> ljunggren: And, in the future, don't install drivers that way :-)
[20:29] <ljunggren> adamk, just doubleclick?
[20:29] <ljunggren> adamk, i will not sorry =)
[20:29] <adamk> ljunggren: They need to be run as root.  I would run them from a terminal with sudo.
[20:29] <vanishing> irGautvol: are you running compiz?
[20:29] <shroomduke> let me think... oh yea, I had to remove the .xauthority files...
[20:29] <ljunggren> adamk, oh
[20:30] <shroomduke> and uninstall the driver, I found a few things online that pointed me in that direction
[20:30] <vanishing> shroomduke: hmm..i think if the permission of .Xauthority is messed up you will end up with a black screen right?
[20:30] <irGautvol> vanishing yes. some setting outside home folder for this user is doing it
[20:30] <ljunggren> adamk, just "sudo amd-uninstall.sh" ?
[20:30] <vanishing> irGautvol: inside you mean..
[20:31] <adamk> ljunggren: You probably need to specify the full path or change into that directory and run 'sudo ./amd-uninstall.sh'
[20:31] <ghanhass_> hello
[20:31] <ljunggren> adamk, "restore of system enviorment completet" wut
[20:31] <adamk> ljunggren: Well that's good.  Now check to see if /usr/share/amd is empty.
[20:32] <ljunggren> adamk, ah yeah its no longer there
[20:32] <irGautvol> vanishing No outside. If  I adduser and make that user my home directory in passwd and chown it still does it while the new user on my old folder can login
[20:32] <ljunggren> adamk, should i reboot before i install fgrlx-updates now?
[20:32] <frog__> I am trieing to run 5.1 audio over an spdif output and i am trieing to use this instruction: http://opennomad.com/content/ubuntu-1210-and-spdif-or-iec958-or-optical-audio-output . I am at the point where i must start pavucontrol. there i get the following message: http://snag.gy/X3roo.jpg . What am i doing wrong?
[20:32] <adamk> ljunggren: Probably not a bad idea in case the fglrx kernel module is still loaded.
[20:33] <ljunggren> adamk, ok will xserver be loaded now when i reboot?
[20:33] <ljunggren> adamk, i mean opensource drivers
[20:33] <shroomduke> i did sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-dev*
[20:33] <ljunggren> shroomduke, yeah can't do that they don't show up in synaptic either but its done now
[20:33] <adamk> ljunggren: Theoretically....  Last time I uninstalled the fglrx driver that way, it safely reverted back to the open source drivers. You should probably remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it still exists.
[20:34] <ljunggren> adamk, ok.. just deleting that folder then
[20:34] <cabuloso> Hi, after installing Ubuntu 13.10 x64 on my Windows 8 desktop I lost the ability to restart on windows, I thought Ubuntu would install grub or some equivalent but it didn't, anyone know how I can solve this problem?
[20:34] <irGautvol> vanishing I had an idea that keepass2 could be it but have removed it now. .dmrc keeps defaulting to fallback instead of session=ubuntu
[20:34] <shroomduke> arg, I need to keep better track of what I'm doing on this thing
[20:34] <ljunggren> adamk, i just have xorg.conf.fgrlx-0 and xorg.conf.orgiginal-0
[20:35] <ljunggren> just i delete any?
[20:35] <ljunggren> "just i delete any" i forgot how to english... sorry
[20:36] <ljunggren> i will just leave it as it is
[20:36] <zykotick9> shroomduke: <sidenote> you can use "apt-get purge foo" save some typing ;)
[20:36] <ljunggren> or should i...
[20:36] <glad> help!!!!no sound edubuntu 13.04
[20:37] <deper29> ljunggren: uhh, I do not believe you want to delete your xorg.conf
[20:38] <vanishing> irGautvol: any log in /var/log/lightdm?
[20:38] <irGautvol> cabuloso I have seen some sites about this how to you'll have to google if some here does not help fast enough. no windows cd... restore is not an option. but boot recovery efi...? sorry can't help more.
[20:38] <ljunggren> adamk,
[20:38] <ljunggren> adamk, how do i see which driver im using?
[20:38] <ljunggren> ohmygard my system is so much more fluid now when i deleted amd drivers
[20:39] <cabuloso> irGautvol, I tried googling but it only returns results for people who can't boot Ubuntu, in my case I can't boot Windows 8. :/
[20:40] <shroomduke> How to get default xorg.conf back?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/163471/how-to-get-default-xorg-conf-back
[20:42] <zykotick9> shroomduke: the default is NOT to have an xorg.conf...
[20:42] <shroomduke> 10-4
[20:43] <shroomduke> I am learning ...trying anyway
[20:44] <k1l> shroomduke: which ubuntu is that exactly? (lsb_release -a will tell you)
[20:44] <irGautvol> vanishing Ah yes. I remember: Greeter requests session gnome-fallback; Writing ....dmrc ; Seat: Stopping greeter; display server will be re-used for user session .. must I pastbinit?
[20:44] <shroomduke> 13.10
[20:45] <shroomduke> LSB Version:	core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch:core-4.1-ia32:core-4.1-noarch:security-4.0-ia32:security-4.0-noarch:security-4.1-ia32:security-4.1-noarch
[20:45] <shroomduke> that looks like too much information
[20:46] <k1l> shroomduke: you dont need an xorg.conf. ubuntu makes that automatically. just for some special settings you need a xorg.conf. and then you can just name a textfile xorg.conf and save it there
[20:47] <irGautvol> vanishing I had to disable compiz before (on some previous version). Now I seem to have to use it. where can I look for that old setting. maybe?
[20:47] <pankid> what does it mean if ubuntu does not detect any proprietary drivers for my Nvidia gtx 560ti? Is my card defective? I can not get the drivers to work under arch either
[20:47] <usr13> pankid: lspci |pastebinit  #And send us resulting URL
[20:49] <david38400>  I have recently switched from Linux Mint to Ubuntu 12.04 but can't play any videos...... it keeps saying a package is missing. Any help please?
[20:49] <irGautvol> cabuloso grep should be able to detect it for grub-install ? what is in grub settings?
[20:49] <shroomduke> i have an xorg.conf.failsafe
[20:52] <Pici> shroomduke: why do you think you need an xorg.conf?
[20:53] <platinov> hi)
[20:53] <usr13> david38400: What video player are you trying to use?
[20:55] <usr13> david38400: What package does "it" say it's missing?
[20:55] <nAn00k>
[20:56] <Akiyama-san> Hi, since I have upgraded from 10.04(had no problem there) to 13.04 and now 13.10 (fresh install), my laptop (1GB ram) starts swapping/thrashing my disk when I reach 600MB~700MB of RAM used, like if it is completely full. It happens even with swap tuned off, but then the disk thrashes and the pc freezes like it has no more RAM available. Could someone give me a hand here please?
[20:57] <mammuth> #ubuntu-fr
[20:57] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Ok.... well, why was swap turned off?
[20:57] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I just turned it off to test
[20:58] <Akiyama-san> to see if it was actually acting like there is no more ram
[20:58] <usr13> Akiyama-san: And why did you not stick with LTS, (if it were me, I would have upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04.  Did you do that and then move off to another version?)
[20:59] <Akiyama-san> I just downloaded the latest version, no special reason
[20:59] <usr13> Akiyama-san: How large is your swap partition?
[20:59] <Akiyama-san> usr13, 1GB swap, same size as ram
[20:59] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Ok very good.
[21:00] <usr13> Akiyama-san: But I'm not sure what this "thrashing" problem is.  Can you describe it in more detail?
[21:00] <david38400> I cant play any dvd in ubunto 12. Help please?
[21:01] <usr13> Akiyama-san: It is normal for the swap partition to be used and I am not sure what you mean about "thrashing".
[21:01] <zykotick9> !dvd | david38400
[21:01] <Akiyama-san> usr13, the disk starts to be read or written (I see it by the indication light) and takes a long time to stop
[21:01] <Akiyama-san> and when this happens the pc freezes or almost freezes
[21:02] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I know its normal to use swap, that's I deactivated it to test and discovered that the pc freezes when using more or less 65% of ram
[21:03] <Akiyama-san> like it is full
[21:03] <Akiyama-san> I have tried changing kernels and I have already messed up with /proc/sys/vm/... settings, but didn't help
[21:03] <usr13> Akiyama-san: When your PC freezes, it is normally due to system resources being over-taxed, or under-powered.  You might look into a memory upgrade.
[21:04] <maciej__> hello
[21:05] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I know, but what I mean is why it happens when my ram isn't full.It looks like it is not using it all.
[21:05] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Could also be that you have some bad RAM.  You can opt to run memtest on a reboot.  (Hold down shift key for boot options.)
[21:06] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I have already tested it, and tried to reproduce the problem on 10.04, didn't happen.
[21:06] <Akiyama-san> It just froze when I actually used all ram
[21:06] <shroomduke> when changing my touchpad settings on/off button blinks off then back on , touchpad is off even though button says on , sometimes touchpad settings disappear
[21:06] <usr13> Akiyama-san: 10.04 is EOL.  So you have 13.10 now?  Is it fully updated?
[21:07] <Akiyama-san> usr13, yep
[21:07] <usr13> Akiyama-san: You say  that you tried to reproduce it in 10.04?  Do you still have it installed?
[21:08] <Akiyama-san> usr13, not now, but I still have an live cd to test or install
[21:08] <Akiyama-san> usr13, one more thing
[21:08] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Are you using Unity?
[21:09] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I have tried to reproduce this when using 13.10 live cd, the same thing happens and my disk starts being read
[21:09] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Try xfce  ( sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop )
[21:09] <Akiyama-san> usr13, now I am using gnome. I have tried to change the desktop manger as I thought it could be unity's fault
[21:10] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I'll try it.
[21:10] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Ok, come back and let us know.  There is also lxde, (some like lxde, but I prefer xfce).
[21:12] <shroomduke> is there a way to check if video configuration is right?
[21:13] <usr13> shroomduke: xrandr will tell you your screensize resolution.
[21:13] <shroomduke> xrandr
[21:13] <usr13> yes
[21:13] <peyam> Hi, How do I show the keyboard layout on conky?
[21:15] <adamk> shroomduke: glxinfo will tell you if you have 3D acceleration.
[21:15] <shroomduke> cool adamk thanks
[21:16] <shroomduke> doh! glfxinfo not installed
[21:16] <usr13> glxinfo
[21:16] <shroomduke> typo
[21:16] <shroomduke> glxinfo not installed
[21:17] <adamk> So install it...
[21:17] <usr13> sudo apt-get install glxinfo
[21:17] <adamk> It's part of mesa-utils...
[21:17] <adamk> Shouldn't bash tell you that when you try to run the program?
[21:18] <usr13> apt-cache search glxinfo outputs:  mesa-utils - Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities
[21:19] <shroomduke> yea, it does
[21:19] <usr13> There you go  :)
[21:19] <shroomduke> i'm a little slow sometimes
[21:19] <usr13> i'm a little fast sometimes
[21:19] <shroomduke> need to put on my glasses
[21:19] <shroomduke> I gots lots to learn about linux
[21:20] <usr13> That's the fun part.
[21:20] <supNow> My server crashed, so I copied the files to a windows machine and then used the windows machine to put them back into the new shares on the server, however now there is no 'owner' to these files and folders. How can I easily change the ower & permissions of these?
[21:20] <shroomduke> LOL it would be if I knew someone else who knew anything about computers or ubuntu
[21:20] <supNow> ubuntu server 13.10
[21:21] <shroomduke> yikes
[21:21] <Smanetta> ciao
[21:22] <deezed> supNow: you could see this: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/dica/Entendento-o-comando-chown
[21:22] <supNow> shroomduke, what eveactly are you trying to check with your video? Are you trying to see if the right driver is being used or something else?
[21:22] <shroomduke> glxinfo gives me too much info
[21:22] <deezed> let me see if i find something in english
[21:23] <shroomduke> it seems sluggish
[21:23] <usr13> shroomduke: Ok, you want 755 for directories and 644 for files.
[21:23] <deezed> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/chown.1.html
[21:23] <shroomduke> upgraded to 13.10 and it's slow
[21:23] <adamk> shroomduke: Use a service like http://pastebin.com/ to show us the results of the command.
[21:23] <supNow> thank you deezed
[21:23] <usr13> supNow: Ok, you want 755 for directories and 644 for files.
[21:23] <tbx> setname
[21:24] <usr13> supNow: So you can change all to 644 and then go back and set directories to 755
[21:24] <supNow> so I use chown to assign ownership then chmod for permissions? does -R work for both commands to assign to all subdirectories?
[21:24] <deezed> supNow: you are welcome. what you want is to chown these
[21:24] <usr13> supNow: Change Permissions to directories only: "find . -type d -print | xrags chmod 755"
[21:25] <usr13> supNow: Change Permissions to files only:  "find . -type f -print | xargs chmod 644"
[21:25] <supNow> awesome thanks guys!
[21:25] <deezed> usr13: but maybe just chown would do it, right?
[21:25] <usr13> supNow: chown is for ownership, chmod is for file permissions.
[21:27] <deezed> supNow: I think what you want is to change only the ownership. Anyway, try it first and see if it works out
[21:27] <sam113101> "No manual entry for zsh"
[21:27] <sam113101> what the hell is wrong with my man pages?
[21:27] <usr13> supNow: Yes, ownership: chown -R supNow /path/to/files/directories/as/needed
[21:27] <sam113101> zsh is installed, I'm using it right now
[21:28] <deezed> sam113101: I also dont have this manual.
[21:28] <sam113101> deezed: but zsh is installed?
[21:28] <JoshuaP> How do I set chmod on all subdirectories and files in a directory?
[21:28] <usr13> supNow: Sorry, I just now realized I was answering wrong question. You wanted to change ownership.  Sorry.
[21:28] <pankid> joshhunt, it should be the -R argument?
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> sam113101: zsh-doc might have it..
[21:28] <pankid> joshhunt, for recursive
[21:28] <deezed> sam113101: there are a lot of installed softwares here that dont have it....
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> but zsh *should* have a manpage...
[21:29] <genii> JoshuaP: It begs the question of why you feel it necessary to do so
[21:29] <deezed> genii: good one
[21:29] <supNow> usr13, All good I just fixed it and used your trick for something else!
[21:29] <deezed> supNow: =)
[21:29] <usr13> JoshuaP: supNow Be careful where you do it.
[21:29] <supNow> deezed, thanks for that link I just used google translate and chown --help
[21:29] <sam113101> ;|
[21:29] <pankid> genii, fixing issues with a broadsword instead of a scalpel
[21:29] <deezed> supNow: cool!
[21:30] <sam113101> I swear I've read it on 13.04
[21:30] <JoshuaP> genii, because if a directory has subdirectories, I want to make the directory have access to the subdirectories
[21:30] <JoshuaP> Instead of going to EVERYTHING and doing it over and over
[21:30] <deezed> sam113101: you'r using 13.10?
[21:30] <sam113101> deezed: yes
[21:30] <supNow> usr13, they were just public shares for the local network and being I copied them back to the share from windows to ubuntu it had no owner so I couldn't set permissions. All is perfect now :)
[21:30] <usr13> JoshuaP: "make the directory have access to the subdirectories"?
[21:31] <shroomduke> glxinfo > glxinfo1.txt
[21:31] <sam113101> everything's broken on 13.10, seriously
[21:31] <usr13> supNow: Very good.  Glad we fixed it ;)
[21:31] <deezed> sam113101: maybe it can help you: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/zsh.1.html
[21:31] <usr13> sam113101: We are sorry you broke everything.
[21:31] <k1l> JoshuaP: chmod -R , but be aware of the results. it will  break alot if that is done on the wrong directory
[21:31] <usr13> sam113101: Maybe we can help you fix it.
[21:32] <deezed> sam113101: lol, i like the long extended support 12.04
[21:32] <yuzzi> a friend of mine got the Fibonacci sequence in a CAPTCHA: http://i.imgur.com/HdANjSV.jpg
[21:32] <usr13> JoshuaP: Take k1l's comment seriously.
[21:32] <deezed> yuzzi: what is that?
[21:32] <supNow> JoshuaP, just add -R after the path
[21:33] <deezed> which was the first thing pankid has said... =/
[21:33] <supNow> JoshuaP, for example 'chmod /home/user/folder/ -R
[21:33] <Nothing_Much> Does anybody here know how to get libhybris enabled on an arm version of Ubuntu?
[21:33] <yuzzi> Fibonacci sequence deezed.
[21:33] <supNow> JoshuaP, for example 'chmod 775 /home/user/folder/ -R'***
[21:33] <k1l> yuzzi: this channel is for technical support. i bet in #ubuntu-offtopic you will get more attention to this :)
[21:33] <sam113101> usr13: that would be great
[21:33] <shroomduke> ok i did a pastebin of my glxinfo
[21:34] <usr13> supNow: But that command won't do anything.
[21:34] <supNow> which won't?
[21:34] <photon> How can I redirect output starting with "ABC" to abc.txt, output starting with "DEF" to def.txt, etc with grep? I know how I can do it for filtering out one string, but not how to do it for multiple: program | grep "blah" > blah.txt
[21:34] <shroomduke> now do I post the url?
[21:34] <supNow> it just worked for me on both chown & chmod usr13
[21:34] <usr13> supNow: The "for example" one.  Never mind... ;)
[21:35] <supNow> -R makes it recursive so it applies to every subdirectory the same thing
[21:35] <supNow> ohh hahah I fixed it
[21:35] <shroomduke> it's so nice when things work right
[21:35] <usr13> supNow: I did not know you could use the -R switch at the end.  (Didn't know that would work.  Does it?)
[21:36] <supNow> it's so nice I got my entire office on Ubunut aside the boss and I am switching him over next week :)
[21:36] <supNow> usr13, indeed it does!!!
[21:36] <Nothing_Much> Does anybody here know how to get libhybris enabled on an arm version of Ubuntu?
[21:36] <shroomduke> how are they taking it supNow
[21:36] <supNow> just make sure the r is an R capitol
[21:36] <deezed> supNow: nice
[21:36] <shroomduke> no rebellion ?
[21:37] <supNow> shroomduke, most of them love it cause it don't break like windows and some complain at first cause it's different but when they get used to it they see the advantages
[21:37] <deezed> Nothing_Much: which arm btw?
[21:37] <pbx> photon - that's more of a shell scripting question than an ubuntu question, but since there's only one stdout i think you may need to write a script rather than using simple file redirection or piping
[21:37] <usr13> supNow: Ok, well, I've just never done it that way.  Thaks for the info.
[21:37] <Nothing_Much> deezed: exyonos5
[21:38] <supNow> shroomduke, it seems most of them prefer the gnome desktop over unity (I also find it more productive and find compiz buggy for any version past 9)
[21:38] <usr13> supNow: Good for you!
[21:38] <deezed> Nothing_Much: sorry, I dont know man.
[21:38] <usr13> supNow: I use xfce
[21:38] <ragusource> hey guys, on a ubuntu box, i have some iptables rules enabled, how do i go about switching to use ufw instead?
[21:38] <shroomduke> I can't stand using windows anymore , ack!
[21:39] <Nothing_Much> deezed: Libhybris?
[21:39] <deezed> supNow: true.
[21:39] <Nothing_Much> Oh wait
[21:39] <Nothing_Much> It's a power
[21:39] <shroomduke> I like linux but get tired of reading
[21:39] <deezed> Nothing_Much: ?
[21:39] <Nothing_Much> Powervr SGX544
[21:40] <deezed> shroomduke: lol, you look so desapointed
[21:40] <pbx> supNow - nice work. if you get any pushback you could assign this reading on the risks of running windows: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Top-Ten-Most-Destructive-Computer-Viruses.html
[21:40] <Nothing_Much> is there an ubuntu arm channel?
[21:41] <Nothing_Much> maybe I can get an answer there?
[21:41] <usr13> ragusource: I suppose you could use two different firewall scripts.  I don't see hwy not.  But you could also just append your rules to the end of ufw's script, (dont throw your old file away untill you are sure it doesn't delete them, just take away the executable bit for now.)
[21:41] <pankid> so I just did a clean install of ubuntu and my screen goes black after grub
[21:41] <pankid> any suggestions?
[21:42] <pankid> the live cd seemed to work ok
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | Pancakez
[21:42] <bodhi_zazen> pankid: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it
[21:42] <ragusource> usr13: I don't want to use two, I would like to convert my iptables rules to ufw rules.
[21:42] <Nothing_Much> does ubuntu arm exist?
[21:42] <ragusource> usr13: I'm not sure how to do it though.
[21:42] <Nothing_Much> or #ubuntu arm?
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> pankid, er see the message to Pancakez
[21:42] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I'm back. Xfce is already installed and I'm going to see if that happens there too.
[21:42] <usr13> ragusource: You have a firewall script.  Right?
[21:42] <usr13> ragusource: Just chmod -x it
[21:43] <shroomduke> bbl
[21:43] <pbx> Nothing_Much - i'd start here: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
[21:43] <bodhi_zazen> Nothing_Much: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[21:43] <ragusource> usr13: I have some rules in /etc/iptables/rules.v4
[21:43] <pbx> or there :)
[21:43] <Nothing_Much> no ubuntu-arm?
[21:44] <Nothing_Much> oh wait
[21:44] <Nothing_Much> it does exist!
[21:44] <platinov> good night)
[21:44] <usr13> ragusource: Ok, well once you get ufw doing what you want it to do, take what you need from your old firewall script and incorporate it into ufw's
[21:45] <platinov> D
[21:45] <usr13> ragusource: Or just leave it alone and do additional ones with ufw
[21:45] <ragusource> usr13: i also installed iptables-persistent
[21:45] <usr13> ragusource: supto-u
[21:45] <ragusource> just wondering if they will conflict
[21:45] <usr13> ragusource: Don't think so.
[21:46] <MeanKitty> Hey guys, I'm just wondering - imagine that you might in the future suffer a complete memory loss - what would you do to still have access to your (master)password? Is there any good method to recreate a password which doesn't rely on your memory?
[21:46] <platinov> i go sleep)
[21:46] <usr13> ragusource: Even if you have a rule duplicated, the second one just doesn't do anything.
[21:46] <ragusource> usr13: cool, let me try it
[21:46] <deezed> MeanKitty: good question
[21:47] <usr13> MeanKitty: Are you talking about use of gnome-keyring?
[21:47] <MeanKitty> usr13: I'm talking in general. I use an encrypted drive with all my other passwords, however I still need to remember one.
[21:48] <MeanKitty> When my memory is gone, I'm in a big trouble :)
[21:48] <usr13> ragusource: You can just comment out in your old firewall script as you work them in to ufw. Make sure they all work and then just dissable your old script once you've done them all.
[21:49] <MeanKitty> So that's why I want to know if there is a good way to create a password that I can recreate any time, for example
[21:49] <wilee-nilee> MeanKitty, Ask yourself do you really need encryption.
[21:49] <usr13> MeanKitty: The last 5 words in your statement sums it up.
[21:50] <supNow> pbx, the higher ups had many issues with viruses,spyware that I ended up cleaning out sometiems once a week so I switched them first and after them seeing the results it enabled me to enforce it on the rest. The boss is always the last to turn in these situations I find... lol
[21:50] <supNow> that being said he (boss) has had it on his home computer for most of the year and I havn't had to repair it since.
[21:50] <MeanKitty> wilee-nilee: Well, not really, but on the other hand I don't like the idea of other people going through my data
[21:50] <usr13> MeanKitty: "I still need to remember one"
[21:51] <wilee-nilee> MeanKitty, How are other people going to go through your data?
[21:51] <MeanKitty> I was thinking about an algorithm that would recreate the password from certain inputs that only I can know
[21:51] <MeanKitty> but that I can verify any time
[21:51] <MeanKitty> and nobody else
[21:51] <usr13> MeanKitty: Write it down and tape it to the inside of your computer, or the bottom of your desk or keyboard or kidney.
[21:52] <kostkon> MeanKitty, your password should be... "password"
[21:52] <supNow> p455w0rd
[21:52] <MeanKitty> e.g. biometric-related data, somethign like that
[21:53] <usr13> panotgonnasayrd
[21:53] <usr13> panononowd
[21:53] <MeanKitty> oh come on :P
[21:54] <MeanKitty> I'm serious here
[21:54] <MeanKitty> you all can have a car crash tomorrow and might not remember a thing
[21:54] <usr13> All work and no play makes ubuntu-user a dull boy.
[21:54] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I have reproduced the same problem on xfce. My laptop haven't froze, but there were hard lock-ups
[21:54] <MeanKitty> beter prepare for this possibility
[21:54] <kostkon> MeanKitty, the best device/storage system/algorithmic machine etc is your brain. pick a difficult to guess password and remember it
[21:54] <usr13> Akiyama-san: memtesty
[21:54] <usr13> Akiyama-san: memtest
[21:54] <MeanKitty> kostkon: but there is a potential memory loss involved
[21:54] <Akiyama-san> usr13, have done it already, no problems
[21:55] <MeanKitty> so I can't rely just on my memory
[21:55] <MeanKitty> and I can't write it down
[21:55] <MeanKitty> that would be unsafe
[21:55] <kostkon> MeanKitty, same can be said for any device you'll choose to storage or calculate your pass
[21:55] <ianorlin> safe deposit box
[21:55] <creek> why does my files from a fat32 drive give me invalid argument when trying to cp them to my utf-8 system? Is it due to the OEM encoding that old microsoft stuff use?
[21:55] <kostkon> store*
[21:55] <Dmole> anyone know how to get a VirtualBox server out of the "guru meditation" state?
[21:55] <MeanKitty> kostkon: not unless the inputs are only known by me and the device is relatively safe and secure
[21:55] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I believe that something important involving ram have changed from 10.04 to this newer versions
[21:56] <OerHeks> Dmole ping it ?
[21:56] <Akiyama-san> usr13, from all I have tested, I believe it's a ubuntu system's fault
[21:57] <kostkon> MeanKitty, ask yourself. which one is easier to remember: one password or myriads of "inputs" that will help you to calculate your pass using a algorithm that you'll also need to remember or at least write down on paper and then remember where you have put that etc
[21:57] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Don't know what to tell you.  (Many other users are doing ok, so not sure what to tell you.)  I will tell you this though.  I am an LTS user.  One that upgrades only in the last month or two before EOL and I do it because I am lazy and because I like cutting edge, (as opposed to bleeding edge), but that is just one ubuntu-user's opinion.
[21:58] <Dmole> OerHeks: nope
[21:58] <MeanKitty> kostkon: The thing is that I can't remember anything. I should be able to provide the required inputs though. Only I should know them but I can't rely on my memory.
[21:59] <MeanKitty> It's just mindblowing
[21:59] <MeanKitty> there may be no good solution
[21:59] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Do a memory upgrade. (As I said before, it will more-than-likely fix your problem.)
[21:59] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I know, that's why I have been on 10.04 so much time. I think I'll try another distribution to see if this happens, since it's the only thing makes sense to me
[21:59] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I think I may buy another laptop, this one here is far too old.
[21:59] <kostkon> MeanKitty, there isn't
[22:00] <Akiyama-san> usr13, but thanks anyway.
[22:00] <jhutchins_wk> Akiyama-san: Could you summarize the problem for those of us who have not been following it?
[22:00] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Here is the way it works;  If you look at any linux distribution from 5 years ago and compare it to now, you will see a huge difference in the amount of system resources it takes to run it.  Same with any other OS.
[22:00] <MeanKitty> kostkon: then we are all screwed :P
[22:00] <kostkon> MeanKitty, human and digital memory both are volatile, you can't really rely on them 100%
[22:00] <MeanKitty> forget your accounts
[22:01] <usr13> Akiyama-san: There is a threshold.
[22:01] <MeanKitty> you can keep backups of your drive but not of your brain....
[22:01] <OerHeks> MeanKitty, how is this related to ubuntu support?
[22:01] <Akiyama-san> usr13, yeah
[22:01] <kostkon> MeanKitty, that's true but even the backups can fail
[22:01] <Akiyama-san> jhutchins_wk, just a sec
[22:01] <usr13> Akiyama-san: Once you reach that threshold, you will have an over-taxed system, just below it you are ok, above it, you are in the mud.
[22:01] <MeanKitty> OerHeks: it's not, sorry about that :P
[22:02] <Eth0R3> heyo
[22:02] <reisio> 'lo
[22:02]  * jhutchins_wk frequently runs current Linux on older hardware with excellent results.
[22:02] <Akiyama-san> jhutchins_wk, since I have upgraded from 10.04(had no problem there) to 13.04 and now 13.10 (fresh install), my laptop (1GB ram) starts swapping/thrashing my disk when I reach 600MB~700MB of RAM used, like if it is completely full. It happens even with swap tuned off, but then the disk thrashes and the pc freezes like it has no more RAM available.
[22:03] <jhutchins_wk> Akiyama-san: Is that ram being used by the video system?
[22:03] <Akiyama-san> I believe not, my laptop have an Intel integrated one, and there is no options about shared ram on bios.
[22:04] <jhutchins_wk> Akiyama-san: If it is, it should not report the full 1G in top or free.
[22:04] <usr13> Akiyama-san: One other detail you may not be aware of.  If you trun off swap, (quit using a swap partition), what happens then is you start using a swap file.  So ..... it stands to reason you wont see much difference in performance, (and you certainly won't see better performance).
[22:04] <bekks> Akiyama-san: free -m will show you how much RAM you have.
[22:04] <jhutchins_wk> Akiyama-san: I would suggest trying 12.04 just to see if there is a difference.
[22:04] <bekks> Akiyama-san: This means: It will show you how much RAM can be used by the OS.
[22:05] <Akiyama-san> jhutchins_wk, from what I see, by using free -m and htop this rest of ram is full with filesystem cache
[22:05] <jhutchins_wk> Akiyama-san: Also, rather than installing the full system with gnome, then falling back to xfce, you could try an xfce-only system.  xfce will sometimes load large portions of gnome.
[22:05] <usr13> Akiyama-san: The simple solution is a memory upgrade.
[22:05] <bekks> Akiyama-san: And using swapiness=60 (which is the default), the system will start swapping when 60% of the usable RAM is actually used.
[22:05] <jhutchins_wk> Akiyama-san: By default that's pretty much what linux does, use anything not used by programs for cache - but that should not cause swapping.
[22:05] <Akiyama-san> usr13, I think so
[22:06] <bekks> Akiyama-san: Setting it down to 10 will lower that problem pretty much.
[22:06] <usr13> Akiyama-san: How long did you let memtest run?
[22:06] <Akiyama-san> bekks, I have changed swap to everything possible, did not help
[22:06] <bekks> Akiyama-san: I am not talkijng about swap. I am talking about the kernel value vm.swappiness
[22:06] <Akiyama-san> usr13, normal time
[22:06] <usr13> Akiyama-san: What is normal time?   I LOVE TO KILL THEM
[22:10] <MeanKitty> some people don't realize IRC isn't anonymous
[22:11] <reisio> Gadaffi: that'd be 'cowS'
[22:11] <Gadaffi> no
[22:11] <Akiyama-san> jhutchins_wk, when I was using 10.04 the same happen when I used all 1GB of ram with no swap
[22:11] <Jebus> PRAISE JEBUS!
[22:11] <Jebus> PRAISE JEBUS!
[22:11] <Jebus> PRAISE JEBUS!
[22:11] <FloodBot1> Jebus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:11] <reisio> some people don't realize you can get up and go outside
[22:12] <jubale> Is Gnome's "key ring" data safely stored?
[22:12] <ragusource> usr13: I think I got it ported over, thank you for your assistance.
[22:12] <Akiyama-san> jhutchins_wk, the problem is that this happens now while using 700MB of ram and no swap
[22:12] <Nothing_Much> Anybody know how to get libhybris to work on an Ubuntu desktop?
[22:12] <bekks> Akiyama-san: When setting swappiness - how did you activate the new value?
[22:13] <k1l> Nothing_Much: last time you asked it was on arm
[22:13] <k1l> Nothing_Much: please ask in the arm channel for arm specific questions.
[22:13] <Akiyama-san> bekks, I have done it either by changing /etc/sysctl.conf and by echo xx > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[22:13] <Nothing_Much> k1l: Yeah, I'm gonna keep asking about that until I get some response because #libhybris and #ubuntu-arm are dead :(
[22:14] <Nothing_Much> I'd ping somebody, but I'm not sure who's afk and who isn't.
[22:14] <bekks> Akiyama-san: Changning /etc/sysctl.conf will stay without effect until issueing sudo sysctl -a
[22:14] <bekks> Akiyama-san: Sorry, sysctl -p
[22:14] <Akiyama-san> bekks, yeah, i know
[22:14] <bekks> Akiyama-san: And after setting that value, you should deactivate swap, reactivate it, and flush caches before.
[22:14] <bekks> Akiyama-san: Otherwise, you wont get usable results.
[22:15] <k1l> Nothing_Much: that is not the right intention to just ask aynwhere because somewhere else no one answers. please ask in that related channels. but be aware that its not a common easy task you want to do. so keep in mind to read into that topic yourself
[22:15] <Akiyama-san> bekks, I don't think my problem is with swappiness, since it happens also when swap is disabled.
[22:16] <Nothing_Much> k1l: Alright then, sorry about that
[22:16] <Akiyama-san> bekks, either way, when like 800MB of ram is used, the system freezes until it can go back to 650MB at least
[22:17] <Akiyama-san> bekks, if there is not swap it just freezes, if there is swap, it swaps till that.
[22:19] <bekks> Akiyama-san: then you should set vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=1 too
[22:19] <bekks> Akiyama-san: That will leave your box alive, instead of killing it by swapping to death.
[22:20] <Akiyama-san> bekks, hum. I haven't tried that
[22:20] <bekks> Akiyama-san: In addition, try setting swappiness to 10 - both in /etc/sysctl.conf, deactivate swap, activate swap and runs sudo sysctl -p
[22:21] <Akiyama-san> bekks, ok