[12:00] <wfx> subterrific: i dont use it my nvidia is to slow for it (have play the demo with gentoo)
[12:00] <Lethorion> okay, lets drop bluetooth for the moment... easier question... anyone gotten gdesklets running? :)
[12:00] <subterrific> wfx: yeah, i had all this stuff working on gentoo fine. having problems with hoary though
[12:02] <wfx> GammaRay: ok it is installed :) so i will see thx! and good night!
[12:02] <Scooter> I am trying to launch a game as sudo from icon, coule someone please help me with proper syntax.. is it $sudo command:password? or something like that? TIA :)
[12:03] <subterrific> sudo command
[12:03] <randabis> Lethorion yep, I got gdesklets going just fine
[12:04] <randabis> I fixed doom3 finally too :p
[12:04] <Lethorion> randabis; I get this strange error when trying to install sensors... alot about import etc missing
[12:04] <randabis> hmm haven't tried sensors
[12:05] <Pluk> i get attribute errors in gdeslets on most desklets
[12:05] <Pluk> some desklets work though
[12:06] <Pluk> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu'
[12:06] <Lethorion> hmm
[12:07] <Lethorion> btw you know what desklets are used in this screendump? http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=32699624941d547bda3f72&m=screen
[12:07] <Scooter> sudo /usr/local/bin/etf dont work.... I think I need to add a password to it
[12:07] <Pluk> Lethorion, nice! but dont know either
[12:07] <subterrific> Scooter: no
[12:07] <subterrific> Scooter: you don't need to run etf as root
[12:07] <Lethorion> Pluk; thats kinda my goal...
[12:07] <subterrific> Scooter: what are you thinking?
[12:08] <subterrific> just run etf
[12:08] <Scooter> it wont let me write to some file
[12:08] <Scooter> crashes unless root
[12:08] <subterrific> what file?
[12:08] <Scooter> I try chmod +777 to the folder too
[12:09] <Lethorion> Pluk; know any other good page for desklets then the gnomedesktop.org one?
[12:09] <Scooter> I am not sure wich file
[12:09] <Pluk> i only know that one Lethorion
[12:10] <Lethorion> Pluk; okay, no worries mate.. I'll find them... there must be more
[12:10] <Pluk> must be!
[12:10] <subterrific> Scooter: how did you install it? cause i installed etf and i've got no problems running it
[12:10] <subterrific> as my user
[12:10] <mz2> does anybody know if beagle is available as a debian package somewhere?
[12:10] <Scooter> I had to install as root
[12:10] <Pluk> first i have to get my desklets running then ill start looking
[12:10] <mz2> or is it worth trying even just yet
[12:10] <subterrific> Scooter: yeah, me too. did you run the installer?
[12:10] <Scooter> sudo
[12:10] <Scooter> yes
[12:11] <subterrific> weird
[12:11] <subterrific> worked fine for me
[12:11] <Scooter> I am going to try to chmod the folder again perhaps I missed something
[12:11] <Lethorion> Pluk; what desklets have you gotten to work btw?
[12:11] <subterrific> Scooter: you might have messed it up...
[12:11] <Scooter> 0o
[12:11] <subterrific> Scooter: try running the installer again
[12:11] <Scooter> as user?
[12:11] <Pluk> Lethorion, clock weather and hdtemp
[12:11] <subterrific> Scooter: no, as root, you have to run it as root
[12:11] <Lethorion> Pluk; okay, then I'll start there
[12:11] <Pluk> must be many more that work
[12:11] <Scooter> et screws up too
[12:12] <Scooter> ok I try :)
[12:12] <Pluk> but all the sysinfo things refuse to work
[12:12] <subterrific> Scooter: reinstall them both then
[12:12] <senectus> I need someone to test something for me...
[12:12] <mAIJK> I installed KDE with synaptics now, why is it 3.2 and not the newsest stable 3.3 ?
[12:12] <senectus> It will only take a moment.. con someone help please?
[12:12] <subterrific> Scooter: and launch et from a console so you can figure out why it fails.
[12:13] <Pluk> brb
[12:13] <mebaran> anyone able to help with a dependency problem
[12:13] <mebaran> gnome-applets wont install because gnome-applets is uninstallable
[12:13] <Riddell> mAIJK: probably because you are using warty, 3.3.2 is in hoary
[12:13] <mAIJK> is hoary stable?
[12:13] <Riddell> mAIJK: no, but it's usually usable
[12:13] <mebaran> but gnome-applets-data wont install because gnome-applets is not installabe
[12:14] <mebaran> it appears to be a circular dependency
[12:14] <icerogue> How odo oyou create a ksymbolic link to a directory?
[12:14] <senectus> I need someone to test something for me... It will only take a moment and just involves visiting a web site..
[12:14] <mebaran> and openoffice refuses to open
[12:14] <[Phaedrus] > spit it out senectus
[12:14] <mAIJK> Riddell Why cant KDE 3.3 be installer on warty?
[12:15] <senectus> phaedrus thanks.. pm comming
[12:15] <Scooter> heh! I chmod +777 -R to the folder again and it works!!!
[12:15] <Scooter> I might have forgot to do that last time
[12:15] <Riddell> mAIJK: because warty is a stable release, it can't be changed
[12:16] <dud> you should never have the need to use 777 as an octal permission mask
[12:16] <AcidPils> gn8 all
[12:16] <icerogue> mAIJK: Just use Fluxbox, its faster anyhow
[12:16] <[Phaedrus] > aight
[12:16] <icerogue> lol
[12:16] <mAIJK> icerogue I have installed fluxbox but i dont understand it :(
[12:16] <icerogue> everything is in the right ckick menu
[12:17] <mAIJK> nothing is there :(
[12:17] <scizzo> mAIJK: what is wrong with GNOME?
[12:17] <icerogue> nothing at all?
[12:17] <heliolith> Hey all: can someone tell me what exactly the command is referenced in this Help reference on screenshots?  it says, "You can also use options on the gnome-panel-screenshot command as follows... --window Takes a screenshot of the window blah blah --delay= seconds does blah blah... i can't find the right syntax...
[12:17] <mAIJK> scizzo kde software doesn't updates in the menu and so on
[12:17] <mAIJK> icerogue no
[12:18] <scizzo> mAIJK: KDE != GNOME
[12:18] <hacim> willis_: rhythmbox seems to freeze, the gnome cd player plays but no sound happens
[12:18] <imaek> I need to burn a CD and I have never done anything with CDs on Ubuntu
[12:18] <mAIJK> xterm restart exit thats all there is icerogue
[12:18] <imaek> What program should I use?
[12:18] <hacim> hrm, sound doesn't work :(
[12:18] <Riddell> imaek: k3b
[12:18] <imaek> ok
[12:18] <imaek> I am using Gnome, btw.
[12:19] <icerogue> wow, that is weird. i am using it right now on my server i am trying to set up
[12:19] <heliolith> riddell: is k3b part of ubuntu by default?
[12:19] <mAIJK> scizzo If I install k3b cd burner software as an exampel I have to start it with the terminal, that is so enoying
[12:19] <imaek> It wasn't for me, heliolith.
[12:19] <dieman> hey
[12:19] <dieman> anyone else try the latest amd64 cd?
[12:19] <dieman> for hoary?
[12:19] <heliolith> ty imaek
[12:19] <scizzo> mAIJK: add it to the panel then
[12:20] <hacim> when ubuntu starts it doesn't run dhcp, how do I change that?
[12:20] <heliolith> so anyone familiar with the command line for screenshots?
[12:20] <mAIJK> icerogue I installed it and the menu is total emtyp. i think i have to "update-menu" or sumthing
[12:20] <scizzo> mAIJK: create a new running command and such things
[12:20] <scizzo> on the other hand there should be a menu called Ubuntu or KDE menu in the list of applications
[12:21] <mAIJK> How do I add so I can run program as root?
[12:21] <scizzo> or something like that
[12:21] <icerogue> Ok how do i create a symbolic link to a directory (cp -s dosnt work)
[12:21] <scizzo> mAIJK: just tell it to run with sudo
[12:21] <Riddell> icerogue: ln -s mytarget mylinkname
[12:21] <icerogue> mAIJK sudo su is how you get to root
[12:22] <heliolith> is there a hotkey for bringing up the app and comp menus?
[12:23] <heliolith> icerogue: another gui shortcut for creating symlinks is to click-drag with the middle mouse button!
[12:23] <mAIJK> scizzo If i start k3b with the terminal i have to have the terminal open all time, when i close it the program close too...
[12:23] <scizzo> mAIJK: k3d &
[12:23] <scizzo> or whatever the application name is
[12:24] <scizzo> k3b & even
[12:24] <icerogue> im using command line for most of it, i am only running fluxbox for a few grafical things i need to do
[12:24] <skreet> icerogue: like spellcheck?
[12:24] <icerogue> like synaptic
[12:24] <icerogue> i am talking to you all from anouther system
[12:26] <Lethorion> ls
[12:28] <hacim> when ubuntu starts networking is not up, if I run dhclient as root it comes up, and then it goes away a few minutes later, it seems I have a dual route and I have to remove the extra one
[12:29] <Lethorion> Pluk; did you install gdesklets-data ?
[12:29] <mAIJK> scizzo What did you mean? Should i typ in "k3b &" in the terminal ? :D
[12:30] <mebaran> Does anyone know how to fix some dependency issues I am having with Gnome panel and Openoffice.org-gtk
[12:30] <Pluk> yeah i did Lethorion
[12:31] <Lethorion> Pluk; okay... I just installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data after reinstalling ubuntu and now sensors work fine
[12:31] <Pluk> hmmm
[12:31] <Pluk> ill look further into it
[12:31] <Lethorion> do so
[12:31] <Pluk> strace here i come :D
[12:32] <icerogue> strace?
[12:32] <Pluk> strace - trace system calls and signals
[12:32] <hacim> is it me or does gnome suck?
[12:32] <macewan> u
[12:33] <Pluk> its prolly just u
[12:33] <hacim> so what is it about me?
[12:33] <macewan> ;)
[12:33] <Pluk> :P
[12:33] <hacim> I run the "Network Config" option and it never comes up
[12:33] <Pluk> bad karma i think
[12:33] <icerogue> hacim: it does a litte till you use flux for an extended period
[12:33] <hacim> I run openoffice and the splash screen shows up for 10 minutes and then finally opens up
[12:33] <hacim> icerogue: flux?
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > that's openoffice for you
[12:33] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : no
[12:33] <macewan> hacim: what is your power of pc?
[12:33] <icerogue> hacim: fluxbox
[12:33] <Stew2> What does the original sources.list look like?
[12:34] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : it should run right away, it does on my other system
[12:34] <hacim> macewan: its an ibm thinkpad x40, 1.2gig cpu I think
[12:34] <macewan> ram?
[12:34] <Hwolf> Can anyone please help me. I've got no gnome panels, I can't install and I can't remove them, apperantly
[12:34] <[Phaedrus] > that's strange then...
[12:34] <chue> sladen: did you get a chance to take a look at it?  is there anything I can do to help?  about the powernowd?
[12:35] <Scooter> cannot write to hunkmegs.dat... this is the message I get if I dont run ETF as root :( the
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> hi
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> I'm running Ubuntu with fluxbox
[12:35] <Scooter> nice :)
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> and is there a way to get the automounter support (which is under gnome), under fluxbox
[12:35] <Scooter> fluxbox is very fast 8)
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> ya
[12:35] <sladen> chue: hello.  Remind me, which was your bug number?  (I'm trying to remember names not numbers, but failing!)
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> I love it for the tabbing tho
[12:35] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : it is... its a fresh install too
[12:36] <Scooter> I use XFce
[12:36] <macewan> / listening to Lawrence Lessig Free Culture audio book
[12:36] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : sound works with gnome sounds, but when the CD plays nothing happens
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> cool
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> I have a plenty fast computer (amd64), but I just prefer fluxbox
[12:36] <mAIJK> icerogue What should I type in the terminal to get an real menu? (Just now i only have Xterm,Restart, Exit) (The Readme doesn't say anything about this)
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> I run gnome-volume-manager on its own
[12:36] <icerogue> CrazyNorman: you are crazy man
[12:36] <[Phaedrus] > hacim: you sure that the cable is connected between the cd drive and the soundcard?
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> and it isn't automounting my usb key
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> lo
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> lol*
[12:37] <Scooter> anyone get the new amd-64 drivers for ATI yet? I think today they get released (acording to some forum post)
[12:37] <CrazyNorman> nice
[12:37] <Pluk> they are indeed out now
[12:37] <CrazyNorman> I just played it safe and used nvidia
[12:37] <Scooter> Sweet
[12:37] <Pluk> running the new x86 drivers and x.org now
[12:37] <icerogue> mAIJK: i dont know, all of my stuff put itself there, have you tryed restarting x?
[12:37] <Scooter> hope it works with SMP, and my dual head.
[12:38] <CrazyNorman> anyone on the auto mounting?
[12:38] <Scooter> :( oh Do I need hoary for new drivers?
[12:38] <chue> sladen: no problem... the bug number is: 5361 ... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5361
[12:38] <CrazyNorman> Running nautilus and gnome-volume-manager still won't do it
[12:38] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : its a laptop with a USB cd drive
[12:38] <Hwolf> Can anyone help me resolve unmet dependencies with gnome-panel?
[12:38] <crimsun> Hwolf: what sort of issues?
[12:38] <mAIJK> icerogue Its an commando, generate menu or sumthing like that
[12:38] <CrazyNorman> gnome-volume manager is giving me "libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_d7d_100_100_-1_072912110034_0"
[12:39] <CrazyNorman> whenever I plug my drive in
[12:39] <macewan> don't plug it in
[12:39] <icerogue> mAIJK: carzynorman might know
[12:39] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: What iz the problem?
[12:39] <Hwolf> crimsun. I've got no panels now. gnome-applets-data refuses to be installed, configured or removed
[12:40] <mAIJK> I can't get an menu in fluxbox!
[12:40] <CrazyNorman> mAIJ: Are you running a gnome flux combo?
[12:40] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: And what happens when you right click?  Just nothing?
[12:40] <Hwolf> dpkg: error processing gnome-applets-data (--configure):
[12:40] <Hwolf>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[12:40] <Hwolf> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:40] <Hwolf>  gnome-applets-data
[12:40] <crimsun> Hwolf: are you running Hoary?
[12:40] <Hwolf> crimsun, just upgraded
[12:40] <mAIJK> CrazyNorman I get an menu with : xterm, Restart, Exit
[12:40] <crimsun> Hwolf: did you dist-upgrade or did you upgrade?
[12:40] <[Phaedrus] > hacim: is it even possible to listen to audio cds with a usb cd drive without connecting the audio cable?
[12:41] <Hwolf> crimsun, dist-upgrade, but it crashed a few times
[12:41] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : even playing things in rhythmbox doesn't work
[12:41] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : absolutely.
[12:41] <CrazyNorman> ok
[12:41] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : that is precisely how I listen to audio cds.
[12:41] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: Run xterm, then "fluxconf"
[12:41] <mAIJK> ok
[12:41] <hacim> it seems like gnome gets "stuck" -- I launch the network config and nothing happens.... then like 5 minutes later it pops up
[12:41] <[Phaedrus] > that's quite interesting...
[12:41] <mchasard> hi
[12:41] <[Phaedrus] > crimsun: maybe you can help hacim then
[12:41] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : its annoying
[12:41] <crimsun> Hwolf: `sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' chokes?
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: what does it say for "menu file"
[12:42] <mchasard> should i choose gnoppix warty or ubuntu warty ?
[12:42] <esher> does gnome have an simple editor like kwrite ?
[12:42] <mchasard> is it the same  ?
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> gedit
[12:42] <esher> tnx
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> esher: gnome has one editor
[12:42] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : and the load on the machine is not a problem, its obviously something goofed with gnome
[12:42] <mAIJK> CrazyNorman: /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> its not quite as good as kate for programming imo
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: hmm, same here
[12:43] <ollie> anyone know what ubuntu's schedule is for pulling stuff from debian?  I'm wondering if the recently released alsa-1.0.8 has a chance of making it into hoary.
[12:43] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: In xterm, "nano /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu"
[12:43] <crimsun> hacim: what are your issues with audio cds and usb sound card?
[12:43] <[Phaedrus] > i dont have the slightest clue hacim. I'd check if the audio drivers are installed properly and perhaps reboot
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> ollie: hoary is version frozen
[12:43] <fealuin> When I tried the live-cd, works in minimun video resolution, but now I install ubuntu 4.10 don't start X. Motherboard is pc-chips and video chip is intel845 VGA. What should I do???
[12:43] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: If its an empty menu file, I can send you mine
[12:43] <hacim> crimsun: its a laptop, no usb sound card, just a cdrom plugged in
[12:43] <mchasard> please is there a difference betwenn gnoppix and ubuntu live cd ?
[12:43] <crimsun> ollie: it will sync when the devs have time.
[12:43] <Hwolf> crimsun i'm running that now
[12:43] <crimsun> ollie: because it's a ubuntu merge, it requires manual adjustment.
[12:43] <hacim> crimsun: any sound outside of the gnome sounds, do not work
[12:43] <ollie> HrdwrBoB, bummer. oh, well. thanks
[12:43] <mchasard> what is preferable to download ?
[12:43] <[Phaedrus] > fealuin: what does it say?
[12:43] <mebaran> how do I resolve a circular dependencies
[12:43] <mebaran> concerning the gnome panel
[12:44] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: wait, I think I know what it is
[12:44] <[Phaedrus] > mchasard: yeah, knoppix is knoppix and ubuntu live cd is ubuntu
[12:44] <mebaran> and how do I get the templates for the create new file in Gnome to owrk
[12:44] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : for example, the networking just finally came up
[12:44] <ollie> supposedly, alsa 1.0.8 will provide support for my sound card
[12:44] <crimsun> ollie: which chipset?
[12:44] <mchasard> no knoppix ...i'm talking about gnoppix
[12:44] <crimsun> hacim: are these sounds from non-gnome applications set to use some output other than esd?
[12:45] <fealuin> [Phaedrus] 	fealuin: what does it say? <--- says in spanish something like "don't can start X"
[12:45] <mchasard> warty 4.1 dated from when ?
[12:45] <ollie> crimsun, it's a Sound Blaster Audigy -- I don't know the chipset (not much of a hardware guy -- just want to listen to tunes ;-))
[12:45] <mindphasr> what is command to enable root acount again?
[12:45] <hacim> crimsun: I have no idea... I just run rhythmbox and try and play a radio station and it freezes... if I put in an audio CD it automatically plays but no audio happens
[12:45] <Hwolf> ollie, you're looking for emu10k1
[12:45] <Agrajag> Why do you want to enable it?
[12:45] <crimsun> ollie: that was actually supported way back in 1.0.4
[12:46] <ollie> Hwolf, I believe the Audigy isn't supported by emu10k1 -- or if it is, that it's as of 1.0.8
[12:46] <crimsun> mindphasr: check out the sudo faq on the wiki, or: sudo -s, and then type `passwd'
[12:46] <crimsun> ollie: it is supported.
[12:46] <Hwolf> ollie, I've been running an audigy with emu10k1 for years
[12:46] <mchasard> so gnoppix is like ubuntu if i believe the gnoppix page
[12:46] <ollie> crimsun, really?  what do I have to do -- my system doesn't detect the card.
[12:47] <hacim> something is royally messed up with gnome
[12:47] <hacim> it fails to launch things without pausing for a few minutes
[12:47] <crimsun> hacim: I haven't run the rhythmbox in Warty in some time; I presume you can get streaming music to play with, say, mpg123?
[12:47] <ollie> crimsun, could it be the Audigy LS is different from some other Audigy?
[12:47] <crimsun> ollie: extremely different.
[12:47] <ollie> I guess that's my problem -- sorry, wasn't specific enough
[12:48] <crimsun> ollie: it's crippled hardware, per creative's usual marketing tactics.
[12:48] <Hwolf> crimsun: `dist-upgrade gives me: Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:48] <Hwolf>  gnome-applets-data
[12:48] <macewan> hacim: what stations?
[12:48] <ollie> crippled or not, it's certainly not doing me much good at present
[12:49] <crimsun> Hwolf: what version is it trying to install? <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3?
[12:49] <hacim> crimsun: mpg123 seems to work
[12:49] <Hwolf> crimsun: rrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.9.4-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[12:49] <mchasard> the stable version of ubuntu is the warty 4.1 ?
[12:50] <crimsun> ollie: you need 1.0.6 or newer with the ca0106 driver.
[12:51] <crimsun> ollie: but for stable functionality, you need 1.0.7 or newer.
[12:51] <tato_> gcc does not come in the default ubuntu installation right ? or Its my installation screwed ?
[12:51] <crimsun> hacim: I know there are problems with streaming in Warty's rhythmbox; have you tried the 0.8.8 backport from http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:52] <crimsun> tato_: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:52] <ollie> crimsun, perhaps a silly question, but is there any way to get ubuntu to auto detect it?
[12:52] <crimsun> mchasard: 4.10, yes. "Warty".
[12:52] <ollie> I'm running hoary
[12:53] <crimsun> ollie: no, because it's not currently enabled for Hoary.
[12:53] <ollie> crimsun, ok
[12:53] <mchasard> the iso is named warty released -live i3686 ?
[12:53] <crimsun> mchasard: that's the live cd, which differs from the install cd.
[12:53] <mchasard> hoary is not booting for me with xorg trouble
[12:53] <Hwolf> crimsun, do you have any idea how I can break my deadlock?
[12:54] <crimsun> Hwolf: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.9.4-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[12:54] <mchasard> yes i would like the live cd ...
[12:54] <crimsun> Hwolf: what error does it give? (paste in #flood if it's more than 3 lines)
[12:55] <Hwolf> crimsun, #flood
[12:55] <crimsun> Hwolf: you don't seem to have that file...
[12:55] <mchasard> the live cd has the feature to save configuration on a usb key ?
[12:56] <hacim> crimsun: yeah, I just tried it... same thing :P
[12:56] <Hwolf> crimsun, so how do I get it?
[12:56] <hacim> crimsun: more importantly there is something screwed with gnome
[12:57] <ollie> crimsun, any tips on how to go about getting it working?  will I need to compile a new kernel, etc...?
[12:57] <CrazyNorman> Has anyone gotten usb automounting with anything other than gnome?
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> no
[12:57] <crimsun> ollie: no, you need to compile a alsa-modules deb
[12:58] <crimsun> ollie: sudo aptitude install alsa-source build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r); more /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[12:58] <jdub> CrazyNorman: the thing you need to run is gnome-volume-manager
[12:58] <jdub> CrazyNorman: it does the user space policy work
[12:58] <ollie> crimsun, thanks a bunch
[12:59] <CrazyNorman> jdub: When I plug in my usb key after running gnome-volume-manager, it says "libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_d7d_100_100_-1_072912110034
[12:59] <CrazyNorman> "
[12:59] <crimsun> hacim: I doubt it's related to the kernel at all. Rhythmbox seems to be the culprit. Have you tried with a newer version of the gnome cd player (e.g., the 'gnome-media' from Hoary)?
[12:59] <crimsun> hacim: or have you tried another player, such as totem-xine or beep-media-player?
[12:59] <Hwolf> crimsun I can't install nor remove that file...
[01:00] <CrazyNorman> jdub: "Could it be that i'm running xorg?"
[01:00] <RoadGriffin> Help Anybody
[01:00] <dieman> Memory: 32852732k/33554432k available (1826k kernel code, 0k reserved, 1005k data, 184k init)
[01:00] <hacim> crimsun: I am going to try and upgrade to hoary to see if the problems go away
[01:00] <dieman> mmmmmmmmmm
[01:00] <crimsun> Hwolf: does the file even exist in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[01:00] <dieman> Total of 8 processors activated (31875.07 BogoMIPS).
[01:00] <dieman> AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 846 stepping 0a
[01:00] <dieman> mmmm
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> ooo nice
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> verynice
[01:01] <Hwolf> crimsun, yes it does
[01:01] <RoadGriffin> Help Anybody!!!
[01:01] <JConnell> dieman, surely you can spare 4 of those for your friend JConnell
[01:01] <JConnell> ;)
[01:01] <mebaran> anybody having problems with a gnome-applet dependency?
[01:01] <Hwolf> mebaran, here!
[01:02] <crimsun> Hwolf: and you can't install it using sudo dpkg -i ? That doesn't seem possible. It should at least throw an error other than not being able to find it.
[01:02] <mebaran> yeah
[01:02] <mebaran> is it circular?
[01:02] <mebaran> gnome panel depends on gnome-panel-data
[01:02] <mebaran> sorry
[01:02] <mebaran> I mean
[01:02] <mebaran> gnome-applet depends on gnome-applet data
[01:02] <Hwolf> crimsun: #flood
[01:03] <mebaran> and gnome-applet-data depends on gnome-applet
[01:03] <mebaran> and neither will resolve
[01:03] <Hwolf> mebaran, same problem here
[01:04] <nitin> are the dev team changing the panels again in hoary?
[01:04] <nitin> cause the panels right now are messed up
[01:04] <nitin> menus*
[01:04] <crimsun> nitin: they seem to work fine for me.
[01:04] <mindphasr> Can someone familiar with apache2 tell me how to open up for outside connections?
[01:04] <nitin> crimsun, do u have a other menu under applications?
[01:04] <nitin> that contains the same things as whats under Desktop
[01:05] <nitin> and Places
[01:05] <crimsun> nitin: Places & Desktop, yes.
[01:05] <nitin> yea..weird
[01:05] <ironwolf> any openoffice wizards about?
[01:05] <crimsun> nitin: may be annoying, but it's not fatal.
[01:06] <regeya> heh...I was bout to ask that sort of question, ironwolf, but I'd suggest asking your question rather than asking if they're about
[01:06] <mindphasr> nm my isp blocks port 80
[01:07] <ironwolf> regeya: I've asked a few times today.  I'm wondering the talent pool online currently.
[01:08] <Riddell> ironwolf: haggai is here, ask and you may get an answer
[01:08] <ironwolf> So, in the spirit of asking the question.  In openoffice, I'd like to create a 10-up Business card for suitable for sending to kinkos to print and cut.
[01:08] <regeya> well, what's the question, and perhaps now there'll be someone here who knows.  *shrug*
[01:08] <regeya> okay...
[01:08] <ogra> Riddell: i think he's gone to bed
[01:08] <ironwolf> I currently created 1 of them in Drawing, and exported it to a PDF, and it's pretty.  How do I make that an appropriate 10up
[01:09] <ironwolf> riddell: Haggai went to bed.
[01:09] <ironwolf> ug, yeah, what ogra said.
[01:10] <mebaran> my applets, and my openoffice-gtk-toolbar
[01:10] <mebaran> is messed up
[01:10] <ironwolf> what scribus? another app? *I'm not glued to openoffice*
[01:10] <regeya> it's a DP tool
[01:10] <mebaran> openoffice under gtk looked much nicer
[01:10] <regeya> frames-based DP tool
[01:10] <ironwolf> regeya: DP?
[01:11] <regeya> desktop publishing ... DTP I guess
[01:11] <regeya> whoops
[01:12] <regeya> you should be able to draw frames in, say, Writer, and insert your picture objects into those
[01:13] <regeya> though I wouldn't know where to begin...at this point it may be more trouble to switch to scribus (though that should involve nothing more than importing the card you have)
[01:13] <benkong2> hey all where is the documentroot located in ubuntu the docs say place test.php in /var/www but it is not working for me.
[01:14] <ironwolf> regeya: the goal is a tool I can create 10-up master for fedex/kinkos in a PDF format.  Beyond that I'm tool impartial
[01:14] <mebaran> I have never experienced as much dependency hell as I have in Ubuntu
[01:14] <mebaran> such a nice distro
[01:14] <mebaran> but sometimes bleeding edge has its problems
[01:14] <Agrajag> then don't use hoary
[01:14] <benkong2> hey all where is the documentroot for apache2  located in ubuntu the docs say place test.php in /var/www but it is not working for me.
[01:14] <mebaran> nah
[01:14] <mindphasr> mebaran: What problems you having?
[01:14] <regeya> haha
[01:14] <epsas> is the wmaker with ubuntu compiled with xinerama?
[01:14] <mebaran> I like bleeding edge
[01:14] <mebaran> oh
[01:14] <mebaran> always with gnome
[01:15] <foursti> when are the fglrx drivers going to be put into the reposotory?
[01:15] <mebaran> Gnome-applets wont install because it depends on gnome-applets-data
[01:15] <regeya> ironwolf: I'd compare Scribus to soemthing like Quark, or (I've never used this, mind) InDesign
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> they are.
[01:15] <benkong2> they are search synaptic
[01:15] <mebaran> but gnome-applets-data depends on gnome-applets
[01:15] <regeya> it's in Universe, IIRC
[01:15] <mebaran> so it is circular
[01:15] <mindphasr> I have gnome-applets installed fine...
[01:15] <mebaran> and dpkg wont install any of it
[01:15] <mebaran> yeah
[01:15] <mindphasr> in hoary
[01:15] <mebaran> this was after today I did a smart upgrade in Synaptic
[01:15] <icerogue> Ok why isnt my hostname (Ubuntu Warty)  coming up in my dhcp table(on router)
[01:16] <regeya> the newest version *may* be in Ubuntu Backports, though you shouldn't need those features if you're just importing a PDF...hang on...
[01:16] <regeya> I find that trying to do DTP with a word processor is like trying to repair a car with a spoon, but that's my personal feelings on the matter. :-)  Okay, have a new document now...
[01:17] <icerogue> who is that too iron wolf
[01:17] <benkong2> could someone tell me where you set the documentroot directive for an apache server in ubuntu
[01:17] <[euphori] > can hel me please when im try to connect whitch gnmome-ppp error ppp not enable and im can?t connect. im put im username in dip group???
[01:18] <regeya> w00t
[01:18] <regeya> it works
[01:18] <maijk> icerogue, How should I do to log in  synaptics when I use fluxbox?
[01:19] <maijk> It want my root pw and i dont have a root pw
[01:19] <ironwolf> sorry, to regeya
[01:19] <thenuke> maijk: you dont need to have root pw
[01:19] <regeya> ironwolf: if you're getting frustrated with trying to do it in OOo, you could use Scribus to import your single card.  Other than that I'd suggest sticking with Draw, set up a page-sized template, and duplicate your original page.  As far as setting up the proper template, I don't know.
[01:19] <thenuke> maijk: use sudo :)
[01:19] <icerogue> maijk:if you started with flux you will need to insall it
[01:19] <thenuke> maijk: sudo <command> .. or if you need root shell, sudo -H -s
[01:19] <mebaran> evolution also if flailing
[01:19] <icerogue> maijk: apt-get install synoptics
[01:19] <mebaran> the contacts part is completely borked
[01:20] <regeya> erm duplicate your original card...dangit
[01:20] <mebaran> wont let me add or delete or import contacts
[01:20] <maijk> I have Synaptics installed, use fluxbox. When I click om Synaptics on my fluxbox menu the program says that I should type in my root pw. I dont want to start from xterm!
[01:20] <drspin> hey all
[01:20] <mikep> Hi
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> mikep: are you sure
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> maijk: are you sure
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> it should ask you for YOUR password
[01:21] <maijk> Please enter your password it says
[01:22] <regeya> ironwolf, you know, you could also export your single Drawing object as an EPS and import them as graphics.  Or you could simply copy-and-paste the thing onto a page. :-)
[01:22] <Agrajag> maijk: so, enter your password
[01:22] <Agrajag> it doesn't say root
[01:22] <maijk> root password
[01:22] <maijk> It says
[01:22] <Agrajag> it doesn't say that.
[01:22] <maijk> I wrote wrong
[01:22] <regeya> OpenOffice does "OLE" you know.
[01:22] <Agrajag> It shouldn't say root. What does entering your own password do?
[01:22] <[euphori] > see you all :)
[01:22] <ironwolf> regeya: too many options
[01:22] <ironwolf> :)
[01:23] <mchasard> wich livecd do you use  ?
[01:23] <regeya> sucks having options ;-)
[01:23] <mebaran> Why is evolution borked?
[01:23] <mebaran> does it rely on gnome-applets
[01:23] <mebaran> it wont let me delete a bad address book without crashing
[01:23] <Agrajag> maijk: maybe you need to change that menu entry to run "gksudo synaptic" instead of just "synaptic"
[01:24] <mebaran> or add a new contact
[01:24] <mebaran> it says it did but it didint
[01:24] <regeya> seriously, select everything on your draw document, do modify->group then copy, and paste onto a wordprocessor page, then repeat 9x.
[01:24] <mebaran> I am in XFCE should that effect it?
[01:24] <regeya> simple as pie.
[01:24] <regeya> mmmm....pie...
[01:24] <mebaran> pi
[01:24] <ironwolf> regeya: scribus = pulling teeth
[01:24] <Agrajag> mmm 3.141592654532
[01:24] <regeya> okay, so I'm confused...weren't totem and sound-juicer gnome apps already?
[01:25] <mebaran> haha Agrajag
[01:25] <regeya> ironwolf: not that bad once you get used to it, but everyone's entitled to their opinions :-D
[01:25] <icerogue> if i set up my server with a static ip would that conflict at all on a dhcp network (if i dont set its ip to something that could get assigned)?
[01:25] <regeya> once you do that, you should be able to position the things as you wish.
[01:25] <ironwolf> regeya: find "import PDF".... I failed... So I'm thinking Drawing with the PDFx10
[01:26] <thenuke> icerogue: i bet it would not cause any problems
[01:26] <regeya> are you talking scribus now, ironwolf?
[01:27] <ironwolf> nah, gave up on scribus for now.  I'm going to try in Drawing OOo
[01:27] <regeya> okay...seriously, if you do something like, say, set up your 10up page in writer, you can simple copy-and-paste.
[01:27] <randabis> i found some schweet icons for firefox and thunderbird!
[01:27] <randabis> http://img11.exs.cx/img11/9598/newicons2jm.jpg
[01:27] <regeya> holy moly, I just caught myself typing backwards.  when I go dyslexic it's only when I'm at the point of exhaustion.
[01:27] <tato_> after I compile and install a engine, what do I need to do to use it ?
[01:28] <regeya> so if anything I say here doesn't make sense, my apologies.
[01:28] <fealuin> When I tried the live-cd, works in minimun video resolution, but now I install ubuntu 4.10 don't start X. Says "Cant start X server (your graphic interface). Probably is not properly setting up. Do you want to see X server output to diagnose...[truncate] ". Motherboard is pc-chips and video chip is intel845 VGA. What should I do???
[01:29] <icerogue> ok i feel noobish asking but i forgot what is the command to set up your networking
[01:29] <thenuke> icerogue: ifconfig?
[01:29] <mindphasr> fealuin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 depending on which X server you have installed
[01:30] <thenuke> icerogue: dont be afraid of asking more ;)
[01:30] <Hwolf> crimsun, thanks
[01:30] <icerogue> i thought that there was something else, more of a wizard type thing
[01:30] <fealuin> thanks mindphasr... is xfree86 (default instalation)
[01:34] <ironwolf> regeya: thanks for your insight
[01:35] <CrazyNorman> I'm running ubuntu AMD64, and every here and there, there is a program without a 64-bit version (usually not open source).  Is there a way to use apt to mix ubuntu 64 and 32, so I can easily install 32 bit versions of libraries I use to lib32?
[01:36] <randabis> does anyone know how to change the icons displayed in the window list? Like the one for firefox, I want to change the globe to something else
[01:37] <Agony> hello everybody
[01:37] <fealuin> how do i quit saving of vi???
[01:38] <Agony> I would like to connect to my ubuntu pc via network (using win2000)
[01:38] <mebaran> how do you setup up gnome
[01:38] <mebaran> to be able to do the create document menu
[01:39] <mebaran> it says it does not have any entry
[01:39] <mebaran> or template
[01:39] <Agony> the ubuntu-pc is in my networ environment but when i want to access it, it askes to enter username and password but neitehr root nor my username (anaxagoras) funktions
[01:39] <mebaran> to do it
[01:39] <Agony> how can i access the pc ?
[01:40] <crimsun> Agony: check out the wiki, particularly the pages on sharing with win2k
[01:41] <Agony> crimsun, the connection itselves is no problem, but unfortunately my user data soes not match
[01:41] <icerogue> how do i add a user to a group, like the acct webmaster to what ever group apache is a part of
[01:41] <Agony> i only use one password but it does not work
[01:41] <neighborlee> does livecd by chance have resuce functionality (or if not is it planned?)
[01:42] <dud> icerogue, edit /etc/group
[01:46] <icerogue> dud: so do i add webmaster behind www-date or the other way around
[01:47] <^majik> hi.  I'd removed my /etc/init.d/apache script earlier, and I can't seem to get it back no matter how many times or ways I reinstall apache (1.3.x).  any ideas?  :o
[01:48] <icerogue> ^majik:why dont you use apache2?
[01:49] <^majik> icerogue: I was using it before attempting to try out the server-side scripting language called BOA.  it seems the old BOA stuff relies on the old 1.3.x branch
[01:49] <icerogue> just wondering
[01:51] <^majik> yea.  that's why I'd removed the apache script..  I'd installed 'eskuel' (similar to phpMyAdmin.  wanted to try it out) and it relies on 'apache'.. and I even forced an uninstall of apache once eskuel was installed, but didn't want the init script sitting around waiting to be executed..
[01:51] <^majik> and then apt-get / dpkg was complaining at me, saying that eskuel more or less required apache  ;/
[01:51] <icerogue> thats owhy you rename stuff instead
[01:52] <mebaran> My Evolution is broken
[01:52] <^majik> well, I didn't think I'd ever be using the apache package -- only version 2.x
[01:52] <mebaran> it wont let me delete or add contacts
[01:52] <^majik> otherwise I would have  :o
[01:52] <^majik> or something
[01:52] <mebaran> or delete address books
[01:52] <mebaran> I find it rather odd that this happened as soon as gnome-applets broke
[01:53] <icerogue> do you think there would be any problems if i chownded my www folder to my webmaster acct?
[01:53] <mebaran> but I cant find a link
[01:54] <^majik> icerogue: shouldn't be.  just make sure your webmaster account doesn't have super-user privs.
[01:54] <GammaRay> how would I extract a deb in a similar fasion to rpm2cpio?
[01:54] <icerogue> nope
[01:54] <knghtbrd> There's a name I haven't seen in forever.
[01:54] <knghtbrd> hey bdale
[01:54] <arc_> mmm, now I know why iBooks are unable to suspend using pmud....
[01:54] <GammaRay> s/fasion/fashion/
[01:54] <^majik> icerogue: that's ideally why apache (or any daemon really) doesn't run as root, as it's a security hazard or what have you
[01:55] <^majik> icerogue: but yeah, should be okay
[01:55] <cdn_beaver> cool
[01:55] <cdn_beaver> can someone help with a problem?
[01:55] <icerogue> shoot
[01:56] <^majik> "don't ask to ask, just ask"  :-)  hehe
[01:56] <icerogue> yeah
[01:56] <cdn_beaver> i had WinXp Pro installed, and then installed Ubuntu... so how do i get from Ubuntu to WinXP, cause i can't seem to get that choice when booting up
[01:57] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: before bootup press escape to see the menu
[01:57] <GammaRay> I don't know if windows is added for you or not
[01:57] <cdn_beaver> and it brings me to a choice of Ubuntu bootings
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> it gives me 3 seconds to press Escape, i do, and it brings a menu of Ubuntu boots
[01:58] <GammaRay> well then you will have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to add it
[01:58] <icerogue> at the bottom it doesnt say windows?
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> ok
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> no, i dont think so
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> i'll take a look at the menu.lst
[01:59] <icerogue> yay i got my courier webadmin working
[01:59] <robertj> cdn: it might just be real quick
[02:00] <cdn_beaver> well, the boot/grub/menu.lst has no Windows listed
[02:01] <mchasard> please where is the tool to save configuration on a usb key for a live cd use ?
[02:01] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: you will have to add it..
[02:01] <cdn_beaver> do you know where i can read on how to do this? or do you know?
[02:01] <GammaRay> I'm not very good w/ grub yet
[02:01] <mchasard> im' under gnoppix warty ...but i don't see any tools for that  ?
[02:02] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-30442.html
[02:02] <cdn_beaver> thanks
[02:02] <mchasard> so for the configuration save for a live cd use ?
[02:02] <randabis> does anyone know how to change the icons displayed in the window list? Like the one for firefox, I want to change the globe to something else
[02:03] <mchasard> where can i find this tool ?
[02:03] <robertj> is there an gnome blog agregator thats better than sage?
[02:04] <Ex-Cyber> I came up with a couple wild theories, but they appear to be dead wrong, so I'm back to square one
[02:04] <daniels> Ex-Cyber: what sort of card are you using?
[02:04] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: Radeon 8500
[02:05] <daniels> Ex-Cyber: define 'slow'
[02:05] <cdn_beaver> hmmm
[02:06] <GammaRay> I must say I really like how dpkg allows you to replace packages w/ the same package instead of just complaining
[02:06] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: redraws are sluggish, dragging an xterm around spikes X's CPU usage to 50-75%
[02:06] <daniels> sounds like acceleration isn't disabled
[02:06] <Ex-Cyber> i.e. if I didn't know any better I'd say someone secretly switched vesa for my Folger's crystals
[02:06] <daniels> Option "ShadowFB" in the device section might help a bit
[02:06] <daniels> ... you aren't using vesa, are you?
[02:06] <Ex-Cyber> no
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys i need /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-k7/build dir ....i have install the ubuntu precompiled kernel bu i need the build dir to install the new ati drivers
[02:07] <Ex-Cyber> it's like this with both ati and fglrx drivers
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone knows how i can have the build dir?
[02:07] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: if you wait a couple of hours, you can have the drivers packaged
[02:07] <Ex-Cyber> blah, be back in a bit
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> daniels  i cant
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> sry
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> hours....ixxx
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone know about my problem plz?
[02:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> where can i get vorbis decoder codecs for linux?
[02:09] <GammaRay> a nautilus idea: since it already selects files when you type the first part of their name, why not show hidden files when you type a dot as the first char?
[02:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..mp3
[02:09] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: its more clever to wait for the packages from daniels some hours then spend this hours with fighting with the prob ;)
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: according to the log acceleration is enabled
[02:11] <tato_> could someone help get clearlooks gtk2 theme working please ?, I have a fresh ubuntu installation, downloaded the Clearlooks engine and installed it, but I cant see the themes on the Themes Windows, any idea why ?
[02:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to install mp3 codecs for linux.  where can i get them?
[02:11] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: try xmms-mad
[02:11] <Hwolf> Daniels, if I enable ati drivers now, and plug in an nvidia card later, would that cause me a lot of trouble?
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> GammaRay: i already have xmms.  it seems to have its own codecs.  but other apps don't play mp3, so i want to install linux codecs.
[02:12] <Hwolf> broken_ladder or gstreamer_mad if you want to use rhytmbox
[02:12] <daniels> Hwolf: you'll need to remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:12] <sri|work> okay, does anybody have this problem with gnome, not showing usb disk icon after you unmount it for the first time?
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> why do you guys keep mentioning specific apps?
[02:12] <sri|work> hi daniels :)
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want generic linux codecs.
[02:12] <sri|work> linux has codecs?
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can it not?
[02:12] <daniels> sri|work: yo
[02:12] <sri|work> goddam, there's more bloat in that kernel than I thought!
[02:12] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, there are no generic codecs. Some apps use this, some that.
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> if the os doesn't have codecs, then every app would have to have its own. that would be ridiculous.
[02:13] <GammaRay> codec just stands for encoder/decoder
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> exactly
[02:13] <Hwolf> Broken_ladder, that's exactly how it is, even under windows.
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> but if an app tries to play some sound and the linux api doesn't have codecs, it can't play that file.
[02:13] <sri|work> anyways, nobody seeing this in hoary?
[02:13] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: most apps use plugins as interfaces to libs like libmad
[02:13] <sri|work> I think cvs gnome has this problem as well.
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> not in beos.
[02:14] <daniels> linux-restricted-modules <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (yes, with new fglrx) uploaded
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't know linux was that far behind.
[02:14] <hacim> so I upgraded to hoary, and now X doesn't start
[02:14] <Hwolf> I upgraded to hoary, and now the tabs in my panel are tiny, how do I fix that?
[02:14] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: for totem you have to install the mad gstreamer plugin
[02:15] <GammaRay> far behind? or diverse?
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> far behind.
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> apps shouldn't need to know about the media they decode.
[02:15] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, it's not. windows media player uses a library of wma codecs, even for generic mp3. Realplayer uses it's own library of real codecs
[02:15] <Ex-Cyber> BROKEN_LADDER: how it works is that the codec is a shared library (.so in Linux, .dll in Windows) ... it is not a component of "Linux" or "Windows", it is its own piece of software that player apps link into
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> windows?!
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[02:16] <cdn_beaver> how do you change the grub to allow Windows boot?
[02:16] <icerogue> are any of you familiar with courier?
[02:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ex-Cyber:  that's terribly poor design.
[02:16] <hacim> so I upgraded to hoary, and now X doesn't start... any pointers?
[02:16] <Hwolf> broken_ladder: the beauty of open source. You can fix it. :-)
[02:16] <Ex-Cyber> BROKEN_LADDER: what do you suggest as the alternative?
[02:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos
[02:16] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: ah, dude, it works the same way.
[02:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> in beos you just installed system codecs so any app could be agnostic to what it was opening.
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: it is
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> see gstreamer
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what i'm hearing here is that different apps in linux need their own codecs.
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> gstreamer isn't part of the linux kernel.
[02:17] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: 'system codecs' in beos are the same thing as 'gstreamer plugins', but be could very strongly define their media and plugin APIs
[02:17] <jdub> nor should it be
[02:17] <jdub> but in ubuntu, we do consider it to be the system api for media
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: you want the linux kernel to have video codecs?
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> then that's a poor analogy to make.
[02:17] <knghtbrd> aww, too bad the pictures didn't come out well--that was horrifying.  We were looking for dinner last night and stumbled across a STRETCH HUMMER.  40' long.  Idling, of course.
[02:18] <Ex-Cyber> BROKEN_LADDER: no, different apps can use the same codecs (hence "shared library")
[02:18] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: i'm not making an analogy
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> at least X should.
[02:18] <jdub> no it shouldn't
[02:18] <jdub> there should be a defined media api
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> you said they are the same as gstreamer plugins.
[02:18] <daniels> x is not a media api
[02:18] <jdub> in ubuntu, the media api is gstreamer
[02:18] <jdub> thus, it is the equivalent of be's defined media api
[02:19] <jdub> the fact that other media apis exist in FOSS land is merelya a bonus
[02:19] <thenew> help
[02:19] <GammaRay> would someone give cdn_beaver and example of a basic windows entry in grub?
[02:19] <thenew> jejeje
[02:19] <GammaRay> I'm very new to grub
[02:19] <knghtbrd> I can do that
[02:19] <robertj> Gstreamer needs a "You do not have the required codec to view this file. Click here to purchase it from codecsalacart.com."
[02:20] <jdub> GammaRay: didn't ubuntu configure one for you on install?
[02:20] <randabis> *sigh* not even anyone in #gnome knows how to change it lol
[02:20] <knghtbrd> title Windows (gag)
[02:20] <jdub> randabis: what's the problem?
[02:20] <Hwolf> daniels, how do I tell xorg to use the ati driver? The old wiki page doesn't seem to apply
[02:20] <knghtbrd> root (hd0,0)
[02:20] <GammaRay> jdub: gonna have to ask cdn_beaver, don't even have windows here.
[02:20] <knghtbrd> chainloader +1
[02:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> so getting rhythmbox to open mp3s requires which plugin?
[02:20] <randabis> I want to change the icons listed in the ALT+TAB menu/window list
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: gstreamer-mad
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> no such package..
[02:21] <knghtbrd> note, whether or not you want makeactive depends on how you installed grub
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh..this time you spelled it with a - not a _
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> trying that
[02:21] <jdub> gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:21] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, no package in debian has ever had a _ in it's name
[02:22] <randabis> see? know one knows how to do it :p
[02:22] <knghtbrd> I put grub on a primary partition and use the standard MBR
[02:22] <daniels> Hwolf: in a couple of hours, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx (along with an apt-get upgrade), and change Driver "ati" to Driver "fglrx" in xorg.conf
[02:22] <knghtbrd> in that case, you never want makeactive
[02:22] <Hwolf> daniels, it isn't up yet?
[02:22] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: i think your experience on this channel would be improved if you asked questions and understood things before making pronouncements.
[02:22] <jdub> randabis: you can't.
[02:22] <crimsun> Hwolf: he said a couple hours. :)
[02:22] <randabis> grr
[02:22] <knghtbrd> cdn_beaver, GammaRay that help?
[02:23] <daniels> Hwolf: i uploaded it, but it will be a while before it gets noticed, built, the build gets noticed, uploaded, and then mirrored
[02:23] <randabis> I don't want that dopey looking globe for firefox :(
[02:23] <Hwolf> crimsun, he gave me the impression it was up, sorry
[02:23] <randabis> I want THESE :p
[02:23] <randabis> http://img11.exs.cx/img11/9598/newicons2jm.jpg
[02:23] <jdub> randabis: we're working with mozilla to sort it out.
[02:23] <daniels> well, it's out of my hands and into the automatic infrastructure
[02:23] <GammaRay> nice background
[02:24] <randabis> but even then, I want a custom icon, not the firefox default eithe
[02:24] <randabis> r
[02:24] <Hwolf> Do any of you know how to get the program tabs in the menu bigger? I can only see one letter of each tab right now. :-S
[02:24] <Hwolf> daniels, are the drivers significantly better?
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: the pronouncements i've made were warrented.
[02:24] <daniels> Hwolf: i don't know, i don't use them.  but they support xorg, which is a big win, and they're apparently more stable.
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> gstreamer is not part a fundamental part of linux.
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> thus not all linux programs use it.
[02:25] <Hwolf> daniels, ok, sorry
[02:25] <GammaRay> not a whole lot is (-;
[02:25] <knghtbrd> someone SO has Mac envy  ;)
[02:25] <GammaRay> there's the kernel.. and umm maybe the GNU stuff (if you want to count that.. hense GNU/linux)
[02:26] <knghtbrd> but it is a nice background
[02:26] <robertj> hehe, I have finder envy ;)
[02:26] <robertj> I'd pay $30 for a finder licence
[02:26] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: x is not a fundamental part of linux either
[02:26] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you're misusing the term "linux".
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> no i'm not.
[02:26] <robertj> X is a fundamental part of FreeDesktop
[02:26] <daniels> robertj: no it is not
[02:26] <robertj> (don't listen to those crazy direcfb people)
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux is a kernel, no?
[02:27] <daniels> x is as much a part of fd.o as gstreamer is
[02:27] <daniels> (they are our two largest, and most popular, hosted projects)
[02:27] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: are you seriously advocating putting video codecs in the kernel?
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> not in the kernel, no.
[02:27] <knghtbrd> robertj: you know, you might actually talk the guy who does Path Finder into a GNUStep port..
[02:27] <randabis> knightbrd I just like the look :p
[02:28] <mapzta> BROKEN_LADDER, Linux isnt a kernel. Linux is a operating system. The Kernel is the "central operating most important thingy" that works inside Linux as the "brain" if you may...
[02:28] <Elk_Brad> hello hello hello!
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux is not an operating system.
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is a kernel.
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> see the debian web site.
[02:28] <arc_> mapzta: erm...
[02:28] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: beos-kernel:linux::beos:ubuntu
[02:28] <cdn_beaver> how can i edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[02:28] <knghtbrd> have a look at Path Finder at the cocoatech website.  It's shiiiny.  (I use it.)
[02:28] <robertj> knght: is it an OS X finder clone or OS 9
[02:28] <cdn_beaver> it doesn't seem to let me
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: indeed.
[02:28] <bob2> cdn_beaver: with a text editor
[02:28] <arc_> mapzta: linux is the kernel, the operating system is gnu/linux or gnu/mit/x11/bsd/.../linux
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: that's precisely what i was just pointing out.
[02:28] <bob2> cdn_beaver: but it should already have an entry for windows
[02:28] <knghtbrd> OS X finder replacement
[02:28] <cdn_beaver> bob2: it doesnt
[02:29] <Hwolf> How is it that I can remove Python 2.3? Is the shift to 2.4 complete?
[02:29] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: now, when i tell you that gstreamer is the media api for ubuntu, we've solved your issue.
[02:29] <cdn_beaver> bob2: and the text editor won't edit it
[02:29] <knghtbrd> (not Dock replacement, Dock is very hard to replace on a Mac)
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: wrong
[02:29] <bob2> cdn_beaver: yes, it will
[02:29] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: try sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:29] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, you realise that jdub is the person who makes that decision, right?
[02:29] <cdn_beaver> bob2: no no, as in, i try to type in menu.lst in text editor, and nothing happens
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[02:29] <cdn_beaver> bob2: any idea why?
[02:29] <jdub> the fact that you can install other media apis in ubuntu is merely a convenience
[02:29] <Elk_Brad> ls
[02:29] <Elk_Brad> not lst
[02:30] <jdub> i use xine, for instance
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've installed the gstreamer-mad package, yet rhythmbox still will not play mp3.
[02:30] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:30] <bob2> as the FAQ and wiki say
[02:30] <robertj> Wow, that does look nice
[02:31] <GammaRay> you might have to restart rhythmbox...
[02:31] <knghtbrd> robertj: KDE has a Mac-like mode, but since it wasn't designed for it, the mode looks silly and doesn't work right
[02:31] <willis__> just wondering how often the ubuntu servers rebuild the Packages file (i'm anxious for the new restricted-modules)
[02:31] <robertj> knightbrd: really the drag targets on the left + the dock are the things I miss from Finder
[02:31] <bob2> willis__: very often, the big lag is having them built and uploaded
[02:31] <robertj> also the toolbar window management
[02:31] <robertj> click glade and all your pallets and property menus should pop to the top
[02:32] <bob2> (often = every hour, iirc)
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> anyone know why I can't edit /grub/menu.lst in text editor or why changes to it won't save in Pico?
[02:32] <willis__> bob2, thanks
[02:32] <knghtbrd> robertj: I'm considering asking the PF guys if they would do a GNUStep thing.  The standard GNUStep file viewer isn't so great really
[02:32] <bob2> cdn_beaver: sudo pico /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:32] <bob2> cdn_beaver: run that
[02:32] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: permissions dude...
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> okee
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> riiiight
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> i remember that now
[02:32] <daniels> willis__: well, it took me 45min to throw the new tarball up my DSL, then it'll probably take about 5-10 minutes for the buildds to notice and build it, 2m2s/2m10s/3m for the various buildds to build it and then upload it, and then Packages.gz gets regenerated every half hour
[02:32] <daniels> and rsynced
[02:33] <bob2> oh, half hour
[02:33] <willis__> daniels, oh wow thanks for the details, and thanks for your work
[02:33] <robertj> a Dock mode for the task list would be nice as well
[02:33] <daniels> bob2: yeah dude, days come 48x more rapidly in ubuntu land
[02:33] <daniels> willis__: no worries
[02:34] <Hwolf> Hm. Removing python 2.3 doesn't work, apperantly
[02:34] <knghtbrd> robertj: he wouldn't do it though because he doesn't want to harm sales of his shareware MacOS X program and anything ported to GNUStep could be easily backported to MacOS X.
[02:34] <cdn_beaver> bob2: thanks for the help, hopefully i won't be back asking :P
[02:34] <knghtbrd> (In fact most GNUStep stuff compiles on a mac without significant modification)
[02:34] <phuzzy> hi, i'm new to ubuntu and i'm hoping someone can help me
[02:34] <Elk_Brad> join the club phuzzy
[02:35] <phuzzy> haha i used to use Redhat WAY back in the day
[02:35] <phuzzy> i think the first distribution i had was redhat 5.0
[02:35] <phuzzy> but i'm stumped
[02:35] <Elk_Brad> prepare for a rude awakening...its way different
[02:35] <robertj> knght: it wouldn't be that hard to add the good features to finder
[02:35] <phuzzy> never used debian before
[02:35] <Hwolf> In hoary, can I safely remove fam?
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> here's a bizarre problem; whenever i start up, my arrow keys are read as xf86_audionext,prev, etc. until i make some change, any change, in keyboard settings.
[02:36] <willis__> Elk_Brad, it's far from a rude awakening : ), it's quite pleasent
[02:36] <Elk_Brad> so what exactly is the issue? most people here seem to be pretty good at ansering
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it so happens that i have mod4-arrowX set up as my audio-prev and audio-next signals.
[02:36] <Elk_Brad> willis__: as in difference
[02:36] <knghtbrd> And um, Linux people don't pay for software.  Not a point worth debating, but it would mean that any such thing needs to be free software if it is to be successful.
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux people should consider paying for some software.
[02:37] <phuzzy> well, here's my problem... i'm trying to play my MP3s right... and being a good little windows refugee, i mistankenly left the other partitions on my drive as NTFS
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> phuzzy: compile in ntfs read support.
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> phuzzy: you can mount ntfs read only fairly easily
[02:37] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[02:37] <bob2> please don't give useless advice to people
[02:37] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, in ubuntu, ntfs support is compiled in.
[02:37] <phuzzy> how do i compile NTFS write support?
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2: well if he'd like to read data from an ntfs partition, that would be helpfeul.
[02:37] <froust> Can anyone tell me how I can find out which version of xorg I am using?
[02:37] <knghtbrd> BROKEN_LADDER: that's not much of an option
[02:37] <bob2> phuzzy: you can mount it like this: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/blah /mnt/'
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> Hwolf: it depends what kernel he's using.
[02:38] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: except that ALL ubuntu kernels include it
[02:38] <Hwolf> bob2: amen
[02:38] <bob2> froust: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[02:38] <knghtbrd> phuzzy: you don't.  "write support" is so limited right now you can't use it
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you're assuming he's using a kernel that he didn't compile himself.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a very safe assumption
[02:38] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: given that he/she is asking for help with 'mount', that seems fair
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: there is next to no reason to use a kernel you compiled yourself
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> if he didn't need to compile in ntfs support, then it shouldn't be a problem.
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: that's laughable.
[02:39] <phuzzy> i can mount the file system just fine -- in read only
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> no. it's not.
[02:39] <bob2> phuzzy: right
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus.
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: why would I need to compile my own kernel?
[02:39] <froust> bob2: it says this when i do that "Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[02:39] <froust> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[02:39] <froust> "
[02:39] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, virtually nobody here compiles a kernel. It's not debian, nor  gentoo
[02:39] <bob2> phuzzy: write support doesn't work under linux, since MS doesn't document NTFS well enough
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> say a want a kernel that has what i need for my system, and doesn't have things i don't need.
[02:39] <dud> dont make a bloody fool out of yourself BROKEN_LADDER
[02:39] <bob2> froust: yes, I know, read the last line
[02:39] <froust> okay... the error message is expected then?
[02:39] <bob2> phuzzy: you can use 'captive ntfs' which loads the windows driver into the linux kernel
[02:39] <bob2> froust: er, it's not an error
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: they are called modules, everything that can be a module is a module
[02:39] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, you use gentoo
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know what a module is.
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: the drivers which aren't needed, aren't loaded
[02:40] <froust> oh... it's a legend
[02:40] <froust> got it
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've never used gentoo.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used slackware for a year or two before switching to ubuntu.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> slackware package management sucks.
[02:40] <phuzzy> ok, so i guess my only other option is to copy everything from that partion to my ext3 partion, then reformat the partition?
[02:40] <Hwolf> broken_ladder go and try gentoo :-P
[02:40] <jdub> phuzzy: you can *read* from ntfs, but not write.
[02:40] <phuzzy> i feel like such an idiot... i don't know how to reformat partitions in linux
[02:40] <Hwolf> Phuzzy, yeah, that's what I did, but then you've got very little left for windows. :-)
[02:40] <bob2> froust: right
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> phuzzy: that would be what I would do
[02:40] <JoePenguin> phuzzy: mkfs
[02:40] <phuzzy> lol to hell with windows ;)
[02:40] <froust> The new ati drivers are rpm's... Can ubuntu install rpms?
[02:41] <jdub> froust: the new drivers have just been uploaded to hoary
[02:41] <daniels> froust: no, but it doesn't have to.  you'll be able to install xorg-driver-fglrx and xfree86-driver-fglrx very soon.
[02:41] <jdub> froust: always use the drivers provided with ubuntu
[02:41] <phuzzy> ok, i have another dumb question
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: why have modules that you aren't going to use?
[02:41] <jdub> froust: (but yes, ubuntu can install rpms with alien, but it's not the best way of doing things)
[02:42] <froust> ahh... what is the package name for 64 bit xorg, do you know?
[02:42] <phuzzy> when i try to play my MP3s, it says i need a plugin to be able to play them.. have any of you ever ran into that problem before?
[02:42] <stackpopper> Does ubuntu support ppc64?
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: oh no. the ~8-10mb of wasted hard drive space is killing me.
[02:42] <jdub> stackpopper: not as yet.
[02:42] <daniels> froust: er?  it's the same
[02:42] <daniels> froust: if you're running amd64, then xserver-xorg will be 64-bit
[02:42] <stackpopper> jdub, does ubuntu include a partition resize tool?
[02:42] <zenrox> i hope this works
 compiling new gl and mesa and drivers for my vid card
 intel 845g/l card
 hoping the i915 driver will work so i can up the fps for one game
[02:42] <jdub> phuzzy: install gstreamer0.8-mad.
[02:42] <jdub> stackpopper: no
[02:42] <phuzzy> how do i install it?
[02:42] <daniels> zenrox: um, no point
[02:42] <froust> excellent... so just apt-get xserver-xorg?
[02:43] <jdub> phuzzy: in synaptic or with apt-get
[02:43] <phuzzy> like i said, i'm really new to debian
[02:43] <daniels> zenrox: i'm going to have packages of that uploaded tonight
[02:43] <stackpopper> So resize within osx then reboot and the bootloader will be happy to offer me both osx and ubuntu choices/
[02:43] <daniels> froust: yeah, except that's only in hoary (the development branch).
[02:43] <zenrox> really daniels  kewl
[02:43] <froust> i'm in hoary
[02:43] <daniels> froust: you'll almost certainly already have it if you're running hoary
[02:43] <jdub> phuzzy: if you've just installed, you'll have to enable universe (the collection of unsupported software built from debian)
[02:43] <froust> haven't updated since yesterday
[02:43] <Kotiro> is it easy enough to upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg?
[02:43] <froust> so i probably don't.
[02:43] <jdub> Kotiro: when hoary is released, it will be a simple upgrade from warty to hoary
[02:44] <daniels> froust: xorg has been in hoary for months
[02:44] <Kotiro> warty works fine now cept for a few minor things...is it worth upgrading?
[02:44] <jdub> Kotiro: if you want to test hoary, you can try the upgrade now (which works well)
[02:44] <jdub> Kotiro: no
[02:44] <mjg59> BROKEN_LADDER: Pretty much the only developers who run kernels they've compiled themselves are the ones who deal with the kernel
[02:44] <froust> daniels: i'm talking the new ati drivers that were released today, not xorg
[02:44] <jdub> Kotiro: not unless you want to help test and debug :)
[02:44] <Kotiro> ok..stay with warty
[02:44] <daniels> froust: they'll be in by 0200 UTC, I'd imagine
[02:44] <daniels> froust: they've already been uploaded
[02:45] <Kotiro> in that case..all the functionality of my sis chip, is not working in XFree86
[02:45] <Kotiro> how do i get it to work
[02:45] <phuzzy> is there anything i can read that will help me figure out how to do all of this?
[02:45] <Kotiro> or where i can read about getting it to work
[02:45] <froust> which brings me back to my original question of what is the package name to apt-get them?
[02:45] <jdub> phuzzy: both the wiki and ubuntuguide.org
[02:45] <GammaRay> phuzzy: it's pretty simple in synaptic
[02:45] <Ex-Cyber> phuzzy: http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:45] <phuzzy> how do i start synaptic?
[02:45] <jdub> phuzzy: computer > system configuration > synaptic package manager
[02:46] <froust> Has anyone installed the drivers?
[02:46] <froust> *wondering about POSIX shared memory*
[02:47] <daniels> froust: i ran them for a few minutes, went fine
[02:47] <phuzzy> you said i needed to install g-streamer what?
[02:47] <froust> did you enable POSIX first?
[02:47] <daniels> froust: (alarmingly, i test the stuff i upload ...)
[02:47] <daniels> froust: um, didn't need to, it's been present in every revision of ubuntu ever
[02:47] <GammaRay> "One of the best ways to make sure information is kept secure is to broadcast it using a published standard, and to try to make sure the signal goes as far as possible. Right?"
[02:47] <froust> okay, i didn't know that
[02:48] <jdub> phuzzy: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:48] <phuzzy> i don't see that in the list...
[02:48] <froust> so what is the package name?
[02:49] <jdub> phuzzy: you need to enable universe
[02:49] <zenrox> daniels,  waht do i get to get thoes drivers
[02:49] <jdub> phuzzy: settings > repositories, uncomment the universe deb lines
[02:49] <GammaRay> you also have to click update
[02:49] <GammaRay> (after)
[02:49] <Kotiro> Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". <-- where would i find this to get it working?
[02:49] <daniels> zenrox: it'll just come in a new revision of xserver-xorg/xlibmesa-gl/xlibmesa-dri tonight
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> mjg59: everyone i know who runs linux compiles the kernel himself to tweak it for his machine.
[02:50] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: about the only tweaking that makes sense is ripping out modules
[02:50] <phuzzy> all i see when i do that are checkboxes under enable, then type is deb....
[02:50] <phuzzy> and there's something about URI....
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> is pre-emptible kernel compiled in the ubuntu defaults?
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> GammaRay: or picking the right processor eh?
[02:51] <GammaRay> I believe so
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: yes and yes
[02:51] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: funny, I could've sworn we provided packages for -386, -686, -686-smp, -k7, and -k7-smp
[02:51] <daniels> oh well
[02:51] <phuzzy> i don't see anything about "universe" in here
[02:52] <mjg59> BROKEN_LADDER: The majority of developers of Linux distributions don't...
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> good for them.
[02:53] <lavigj> hey guys. any idea how to get my atheros card clipping along at 54Mbit? the highest I seem to get it is 12Mbit
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> whenever i start up, my arrow keys are read as xf86_audionext,prev, etc. until i make some change, any change, in keyboard settings.
[02:53] <phuzzy> wait... i think i figured it out
[02:53] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: try recompiling your kernel to fix it
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh that's funny.
[02:53] <GammaRay> phuzzy: the one that has the URL http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ add universe multiverse to the Section(s) part
[02:54] <GammaRay> phuzzy: URI rather
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone else had this problem?
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is a two week old ubuntu install.
[02:54] <froust> Can anyone tell me how to get the new ATI drivers?
[02:54] <froust> I can't find them in synaptic
[02:54] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: change back whatever it is that you changed; no default ubuntu install has ever loaded a keymap capable of generating those keysyms
[02:54] <jdub> lavigj: it's probably cycling down due to wifi quality issues
[02:54] <hidde> What is in the file /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
[02:54] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: nothing in the BTS?
[02:54] <daniels> froust: just wait like an hour
[02:54] <Pluk> froust, have a little patience :)
[02:54] <Pluk> ati just released them
[02:55] <phuzzy> well, i saw two entries for "universe" under sections... so i selected them, is that what you need to do?
[02:55] <lavigj> jdub... I don't think so. I am like, 4 feet from the router. I have read that mad-wifi doesn't support higher than 11Mbit unless you tell it to, and i am having trouble telling it to.
[02:55] <jdub> froust: dude, the package was *just* uploaded. it hasn't built  yet.
[02:55] <jdub> lavigj: not sure htne
[02:55] <yz>  i know telnet is insecure etc, but how do i enable my ubuntu to accept TELNETD connections (plz dont suggest use SSHD)
[02:55] <lavigj> jdub: I think i would at least 48Mbit with my current signal strength
[02:55] <GammaRay> phuzzy: sounds right
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: i have set my keyboard shortcuts so that mod4-right is xf86audionext, for instance.
[02:55] <froust> Okay - I thought uploaded == I can download them
[02:56] <hidde> HELP: I get an error running dpkg and I can't fix it, apperantly
[02:56] <Pluk> lavigj, madwifi does support 54mbit out of the box.. here it does
[02:56] <phuzzy> ok, well i did that and i'm still not seeing g-stream(xxxx).mad
[02:56] <GammaRay> phuzzy: it should have warned you about support
[02:56] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: ...
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: once i change something in keyboard settings, like say switch to a qwerty keymap then back, everything is fine.
[02:56] <lavigj> Pluk: .... hmmm....
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> you said no default ubuntu install loads such keymap files.
[02:56] <lavigj> Pluk: any suggestions on how to get it up there?
[02:56] <GammaRay> phuzzy: did you click update as well?
[02:56] <Pluk> lavigj, sure your AP isnt doing 11mbit?
[02:56] <hidde> Can someone tell me what /var/lib/dpkg/available does?
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2: BTS?
[02:56] <phuzzy> i clicked "ok"
[02:56] <phuzzy> i didn't see "update"
[02:57] <lavigj> Pluk: I will double check... I didn't think it was though
[02:57] <bj_> oh wow you can hit tab to finish someones name in xchat
[02:57] <GammaRay> phuzzy: reload rather
[02:57] <GammaRay> phuzzy: my mistake...
[02:57] <bob2> hidde: if you're getting errors in it, 'sudo dselect update
[02:57] <phuzzy> oh
[02:57] <phuzzy> ok lol
[02:57] <GammaRay> it's apt-get update here
[02:57] <hidde> bob2, can you explain what it does?
[02:57] <Kotiro> say, im running a pre-release version of XFree86..updates dont say anythign about needing to upgrade it to the release version..would it make a difference if i did upgrade it now?
[02:57] <bob2> hidde: it does nothing useful unless you're using dselect
[02:58] <hidde> bob2, I get errors from dpkg so I can't install anything. :-S
[02:59] <lavigj> Pluk: ok, this is wierd.... iwconfig shows it at 48Mbit....   If i was stupid I wouldn't have configured this mess for 128bit wep either :)
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> ogra ? alive?
[03:01] <zenrox> lol
[03:01] <bj_> soooo
[03:01] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: 'uninformed'
[03:02] <phuzzy> hey, thanks guys! it worked!
[03:02] <bj_> is expocity or skippy-xd ever gonna get intto the repos??
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: if I was misinformed it was other people's fault :)
[03:02] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: on my way to bed
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9500 Pro Generic
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> :))))
[03:03] <ogra> yup
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> i made it
[03:03] <ogra> i see
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> but i ahve 9700
[03:03] <Ex-Cyber> on a scale of "Warty install" to "mutually recursive blocking dependencies", roughly how painful should I expect a dist-upgrade to be? :)
[03:03] <zenrox> and another sucess storie more at 11
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> not 9500 but this is acommon error
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: closer to warty install
[03:04] <bj_> Ex-Cyber, peace of cake 4 me
[03:04] <Ex-Cyber> okay
[03:04] <zenrox> ya was a pain since i had to manuly configure xorg
[03:04] <hidde_> gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:04] <hidde_> How do I fix that one?
[03:04] <Ex-Cyber> I've been through the wringer with Debian a couple times before (my own fault mostly), but it was years ago so I wasn't sure how clearly I remembered the smoother stuff
[03:05] <|QuaD-> hey all, is hoary currently broken?
[03:05] <phuzzy> ok, now one more question.... temporarily, until i can remake my file systems, how do i change the permissions of my NTFS mount so i can access it without having to be root?
[03:05] <hidde_> bob2, can you give me that command again, dselect?
[03:05] <phuzzy> i tried chown, but that didn't seem to work
[03:06] <GammaRay> mount it w/ -o dmask=000,fmask=111
[03:07] <phuzzy> so for instance.... mount -t ntfs -o dmask=000, fmask=111 /dev/hda6 /mnt/blah
[03:07] <phuzzy> ?
[03:07] <bob2> phuzzy: I told you how to do that
[03:07] <bob2> 11:37:56           bob2 | phuzzy: you can mount it like this: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/blah /mnt/'
[03:08] <bob2> hidde_: scroll u
[03:08] <bob2> 11:57:18           bob2 | hidde: if you're getting errors in it, 'sudo dselect update
[03:08] <GammaRay> umask is sucky way, but it works
[03:08] <phuzzy> sorry, it was going too fast for me to catch heh
[03:09] <phuzzy> damn... it worked lol
[03:09] <phuzzy> thanks guys! you're great!
[03:10] <zenrox> phuzzy,  thats the mision for the chanel
[03:11] <kquamme94> so how is hoary coming along guys?
[03:11] <zenrox> slowly
[03:11] <hidde> Hoary is broken atm, at least for me
[03:11] <zenrox> i guess
[03:11] <zenrox> works just fine for me
[03:11] <kquamme94> seems to work well on my old 450 system
[03:12] <kquamme94> but the 2.6 celeron system don't like it
[03:12] <hidde> I can't get into gdm, actually
[03:12] <v_2> grub-install segfaults on amd64...
[03:12] <zenrox> my 2ghz celry love it
[03:12] <zenrox> + i have a cpu temp too boot
[03:12] <kquamme94> well i shouldn't say the celry but more the graphics
[03:12] <ahursdsdfgsdf> does anyone know why yarssr doesn't save the preferences after reboot?
[03:13] <zenrox> kquamme94,  what vid card
[03:13] <kquamme94> intel integrated on an emachines, heh
[03:13] <kquamme94> :(
[03:13] <zenrox> mine works just file
[03:13] <kquamme94> i reformated and stuck with warty
[03:13] <|QuaD-> bob2: just updated my hoary box after a month of not using it, postfix is breaking apt-get upgrade... is that a common problem? or unique to my box (so i should look to fix it)
[03:13] <zenrox> intel i845g/gl  built in vid card
[03:13] <kquamme94> and it's marvelous
[03:14] <zenrox> emachine d2046
[03:14] <punk0> hello somebody speak spanish
[03:14] <willis> daniels, just to check in, i just need to add fglrx to my /etc/modules file and use the default xorg.conf and it should work?
[03:14] <kquamme94> T2692
[03:14] <lamont> |QuaD-: what exactly is the error?
[03:14] <|QuaD-> blah
[03:14] <|QuaD-> hold
[03:14] <|QuaD-> i just lost it cuz i went to a dist-upgrade
[03:14] <|QuaD-> instead of upgrade
[03:14] <punk0> i have some problems whit nat in ubuntu when using my adsl (pppoe) link
[03:14] <|QuaD-> it will be back i am sure
[03:14] <zenrox> kquamme94,  yours is better then mine so you vid card should work with the new xorg coming out
[03:14] <kquamme94> i think it uses the i810 actually
[03:15] <kquamme94> could be 845, i don't remember
[03:15] <zenrox> ya for 2d
[03:15] <froust> I got this error updating... Any thoughts? ** (process:29576): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[03:15] <|QuaD-> lamont: is there a final consensus about whether to use upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[03:15] <kquamme94> my monitor gives me more fits than the card though
[03:15] <zenrox> i810 for 2d on any vid card i810 and up
[03:15] <lamont> |QuaD-: I tend to always use dist-upgrade
[03:15] <zenrox> i915 for 3d i840 and up
[03:15] <lamont> it's just a matter of how apt deals with new packages
[03:16] <jdub> |QuaD-: stick to upgrade unless you need to use dist-upgrade, you'll encounter fewer problems
[03:16] <kquamme94> damn eView monitor and the sync rates
[03:16] <GammaRay> ever since ctrl-H, type ahead selection, and the customizable list view, nautilus is seeming pretty nice
[03:16] <|QuaD-> hehe alright... 2 different answers... lol
[03:16] <|QuaD-> jdub: when would i NEED to?
[03:16] <jdub> |QuaD-: some people blithely dist-upgrade all the time, and then ask, "where is my X?"
[03:16] <|QuaD-> jdub: lol
[03:16] <zenrox> kquamme94,  i bought seprat montor dint need the hassels on eview montors
[03:16] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-2-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.872 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 296/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.43G Free: 42.27G Procs: 82 Uptime: 2 hrs 23 mins 50 secs Load: 2.19 1.73 1.88  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 168.73M Out: 7.99M
[03:17] <kquamme94> yea, i am serious considering getting the LCD from school and fixing it up
[03:17] <kquamme94> so i can use it
[03:17] <jdub> |QuaD-: when there are normal package add/remove requirements, and you know which packages are going to be cahnged (use -u with apt-get)
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: ctrl+h?
[03:17] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: shows hidden files
[03:17] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: even remembers them per dir
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> ah yep
[03:18] <|QuaD-> lamont: it looks like postfix is crashing because i don't have exim installed.... gotta figure out which to install
[03:19] <GammaRay> err remembers the setting per dir
[03:19] <heliolit1> who uses fluxbox? I heard about it in here, and was wondering what it replaces?  It says on its site that it has support for KDE and ltd. for Gnome but I thought it was a Desktop Environment that replaced those...
[03:19] <|QuaD-> errors were encountered while processing: postfix, popularity-contest(?? whats this??), postfix-tls,ubuntu-base(LOL)
[03:20] <|QuaD-> lamont: if i post a file with the errors, will you take a look at it?
[03:20] <GammaRay> heliolit1: they mean the standards that allow it to take the place of kwin
[03:20] <GammaRay> heliolit1: and work w/ things like the pager
[03:20] <nate5> anyone here use yarssr?
[03:20] <GammaRay> it probably works in gnome fine
[03:21] <heliolit1> GammaRay: so it doesn't replace Gnome? or it does, but it gets its preferences etc. from Gnome if that's what you were using?
[03:21] <sl4sh> alguien habla espaniol???
[03:21] <GammaRay> it can be run standalone or as a replacement for metacity
[03:21] <Agrajag> sl4sh: #ubuntu-es
[03:21] <heliolit1> si pero aqui hablan puro ingles: yeah I speak Spanish but this is an English channel
[03:21] <GammaRay> you can run metacity standalone as well
[03:21] <dud> i cant believe i just fscking deleted my entire home directory >_<
[03:22] <sl4sh> thank =)
[03:22] <|QuaD-> does apt-get log errors anywhere
[03:22] <lamont> |QuaD-: stderr
[03:22] <lamont> although you could '
[03:22] <heliolit1> GammaRay: so Gnome, Metacity, Fluxbox are all Desktop Environments, right?
[03:22] <lamont> apt-get install postfix postfix-tls and see what it says then
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: no, gnome is a DE, metacity and fluxbox are window managers
[03:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: i don't have x running
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: they control how you move windows around, and what the decorations are
[03:23] <willis> has anyone gotten the new ati drivers to work in xorg?
[03:23] <heliolit1> HrdwrBoB oh so they're like Themes managers?
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> willis: they are in the hoary repository
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: sort of yeah
[03:23] <bj_> whats the purpose of xresprobe?
[03:23] <jdub> willis: the drivers have been uploaded to hoary, wait for them to be built and use those
[03:23] <dud> fuck fuck fuck :(
[03:23] <heliolit1> HrdwrBob: do you use either of them?
[03:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: how is the easiest way for me to get you the log (having trouble getting it into a file)
[03:24] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: fluxbox can also be considered somewhat of a Desktop Environment
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: probes monitors for resolutions X can use
[03:24] <lamont> |QuaD-: apt-get install postfix postfix-tls > foo 2>&1
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: I use metacity with GNOME, which is the ubuntu defalt
[03:24] <lamont> then mail foo to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:24] <willis> jdub, i got the new ones ( I'm pretty sure, the changelog on my computer matches the accepted notice ) but i'm having trouble loading them
[03:24] <bj_> HrdwrBoB,  Itt didnt rreturn anytthin
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: what is your video card
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> you need to run xresprobe ati
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> or similar
[03:24] <GammaRay> fluxbox has a taskbar, pager, and menu. and possibly lots of addons through the bb stuff
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> why are you running xresprobe?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: ahh
[03:25] <heliolit1> HrdwrBoB: oh, so if I'm running Ubuntu off a fresh install (as of yesterday) I'm using Metacity too probably?
[03:25] <bj_> nvidia geforce2ti
[03:25] <dud> my homefolder is so empty i could die
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: yes
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: run xresprobe nvidia
[03:25] <bj_> I did xrerrsproe nvidia
[03:25] <bj_> maybbe nvv?
[03:25] <bj_> stupid keyboarrd lol
[03:25] <heliolit1> GammaRay: Do you use Fluxbox?
[03:25] <|QuaD-> lamont: can i give you a website?
[03:25] <jdub> willis: yeah, they're bulit now
[03:26] <GammaRay> heliolit1: I have.. but not now
[03:26] <jdub> willis: see the guide on the wiki
[03:26] <|QuaD-> www.slovin.us/apt.error
[03:26] <nate5> what kind of rss readers do you guys use in ubuntu?
[03:26] <GammaRay> heliolit1: I perfer the extra lightness of icewm
[03:26] <jdub> nate5: blam
[03:26] <heliolit1> nate5 bloglines =P
[03:26] <jdub> nate5: but usually i just read planets :)
[03:26] <nate5> for some reason blam forgets my feeds when I reboot
[03:26] <nate5> I added slashdot and that stayed up
[03:26] <lamont> |QuaD-: sure
[03:26] <nate5> the rest disappear
[03:26] <GammaRay> flux is kinda heavy on a k6-2 266 w/ my video card
[03:26] <heliolit1> GammaRay: so you replaced Metacity with icewm?
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: are you using sudo to run it?
[03:27] <nate5> so does yarssr
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: why do you need to run it
[03:27] <daniels> bj_: you need to use 'xresprobe nv'
[03:27] <GammaRay> heliolit1: any part of gnome would kill this computer
[03:27] <daniels> but bob's question is a good one
[03:27] <|QuaD-> lamont: did you get that address? www.slovin.us/apt.error
[03:27] <Scooter> I am installing Warty on amd-64 system... it dont see my windows OS in the grub installer... can I tweak this later? or should i abort the install?
[03:27] <Scooter> TIA :)
[03:27] <NetwrkMonkey> what program do most of you use for burning dvds?
[03:27] <GammaRay> heliolit1: however I run full gnome on an Duron 800 I also have
[03:28] <lamont> |QuaD-: did now/
[03:28] <heliolit1> GammaRay: and stick with Metacity on that box?
[03:28] <|QuaD-> lamont: thanks
[03:28] <GammaRay> heliolit1: yea
[03:28] <bj_> i wasnt sudoing
[03:28] <lamont> |QuaD-: what does ls -l /bin/sh point to?
[03:29] <heliolit1> GammaRay: ty I'm beginning to understand (=
[03:29] <|QuaD-> bash
[03:29] <|QuaD-> lamont: bash
[03:29] <lamont> and what does that line following 'Starting postfix' say??  all gibberish here
[03:29] <lamont> or is the line following it 'invoke-rc.d'?
[03:29] <dud> i had so much stuff in my home directory...
[03:29] <keyshawn> does anyone else notice that the speeds from ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net to be VERY slow ? [around .5 kb's/sec]
[03:29] <Neo_654> helio, I' glad you are cause I am also interested in this but about as lost as you can get.  Came in too late I think.
[03:30] <keyshawn> im trying to do some updates.
[03:30] <bj_> HrdwrBoB,  I found this monitor and was hoping it could go over 1024x8xx
[03:30] <lamont> |QuaD-: grep -e fatal -e error -e warn /var/log/mail.log
[03:30] <|QuaD-> lamont: i can't read it here either, can't scroll up
[03:30] <bj_> but alas
[03:30] <|QuaD-> lamont: ok, hold
[03:31] <siimo> anyone think KDE fonts look better than gnome? http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.3/snapshot9.png
[03:31] <heliolit1> Neo_654 too late in the conversation or what do you mean?
[03:31] <keyshawn> meh, i dont want the kde v. gnome flame wars.
[03:31] <Neo_654> Helio late into the coversation.
[03:32] <|QuaD-> lamont: i will summarize the errors, "fatal: the postfix mail system is already running", lots of those, if you want the full thing i can send it to you
[03:32] <Riddell> siimo: fonts are independent of desktop environment
[03:32] <heliolit1> Neo_654 it was short, basically, I asked what Fluxbox is and people told me it is a "Windows Manager" for X, but can also be considered somewhat of a Desktop environment
[03:32] <siimo> Riddell, well they seem to look a lot crisper in KDE
[03:32] <lamont> |QuaD-: oh. that.
[03:33] <lamont> sudo postfix stop; apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:33] <lamont> already in the bts
[03:33] <phuzzy> does anyone know how to install java for firefox?
[03:33] <heliolit1> Neo_654 This url helped parse it all together: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/fluxbox.html
[03:33] <|QuaD-> lamont: beautiful
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: would apt-get normally stop it?
[03:34] <Neo_654> helio, guess I didn't come into late then.  I'm just trying to figure out where to start to understand how to "tweak" the look of the desktop without destroying it as I already did once today.
[03:34] <lamont> |QuaD-: yes - that's the bug
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: no more apt-get errors at all
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: should i file a bug report?
[03:34] <lamont> yeah - the rest of them were cascading from the postfix failure
[03:34] <lamont> it's already there.
[03:34] <heliolit1> Neo_654 haha how'd you destroy it?  are you just using Metacity to change the appearance or what?
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: ok... thanks... brb... going to attempt a restart onto the new kernel...brb
[03:34] <lamont> 5580, 5586, and probably at least one more... :-(
[03:35] <jdub> Neo_654: computer > desktop preferences > theme
[03:35] <Neo_654> Started playing the with panels(?) and lost gaim and could get it straightened out for a couple of hours.
[03:35] <keyshawn> ?
[03:36] <heliolit1> Neo_654 via command line or somewhere else?
[03:36] <keyshawn> [reference to my question from above, accidently exited from here]
[03:36] <Neo_654> jdub, played with that a little just not finding anything that I like.  I like those translusant looks.
[03:37] <Neo_654> helio, it was the misclick that clicked the remove from panel that bit me in the backside.
[03:37] <|QuaD-> lamont: everything works... thanks again
[03:38] <heliolit1> Neo_654 jdub is what?
[03:39] <Neo_654> helio I was replying to jdub.
[03:39] <heliolit1> neo oops
[03:39] <jdub> heliolit1: jdub is me :)
[03:39] <kotau> So is there a way to figure out what kind of driver I'll need for this Sakar webcam?  They offer no linux driver, but if I remember correctly when this box was windows it needed no driver, it just saw it as a media device.  When I plug it in Ubuntu wants to import photos from it, even though there are none on it.  Would I be able to just specify the device (it says it is an argus DC-10 or somesuch) in a webcam app?
[03:39] <lamont> |QuaD-: sorry about the bug
[03:39] <Neo_654> And as far as I can tell a nice and knowledgeable person.
[03:40] <heliolit1> jdub: haha sorry I realize that now, I thought you were a window manager =P
[03:40] <dud> fscking pieve of crap assed brain... how could i delete my home directory..... i mean god damn it.... ill have to just install ubuntu all over :(
[03:40] <kotau> zomg dud.
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: what does lspci say
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: I use camstream for my webcam
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> er lsusb
[03:40] <|QuaD-> lamont: haha... i am so impressed with ubuntu, that I can't complain about a bug in a UNSTABLE version
[03:40] <kotau> sorry hrdwrbob, is that a command I run from terminal?
[03:40] <dud> and all the custom builds and tweaks ive been through to finally get mplayer, java, transcodde and more working on amd64
[03:41] <Neo_654> helio, did you see my message to you about the colors?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: yes
[03:41] <heliolit1> Neo: I've been looking at the Fluxbox screenshots here: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots-dev.php although I really need to get the main config more dialed in before I mess around with the bells & whistles
[03:41] <kotau> hrdwrbob oh wow thanks for that command!  how incredibly useful!
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> no problem
[03:42] <kotau> just for a follow up that lists it as **Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2770:9120 NHJ, Ltd Che-ez! Snap / iClick Tiny VGA Digital  Camera**
[03:43] <kotau> it must not need a specific driver.. off to install camstrem
[03:45] <froust> When I do an apt-cache show, it returns this: "E: No packages found"
[03:49] <v_2> what's the state of amd64 on ubuntu vs. vanilla debian-amd64?
[03:50] <linux-rulz> hey, does anyone know if it is possible to write a disc, then write more files to it at a later point in ubuntu like u can do in windows?
[03:50] <twstd3bc> any pointers or links to making an initrd for a PPC kernel (2.6.10)?  The initrd's for <IP_ADDRESS> aren't working out.
[03:51] <twstd3bc> linux-rulz: yeah do multi-session with cdrecord
[03:51] <kquamme94> linux-rulz: should be able to
[03:51] <linux-rulz> twstd3bc: preferably gui tools please....if not then i'll take command line
[03:51] <CKKnight> I heart Ubuntu
[03:52] <kquamme94> linux-rulz: you could try xcdroast
[03:52] <kquamme94> if there's a .deb for it
[03:53] <kquamme94> linux-rulz: i used it for the longest time when i ran xfce on slackware
[03:53] <dud> fsck it... ill try installing debian this time
[03:53] <dud> hrm
[03:53] <linux-rulz> kquamme94: hopefully it works better than K3B on Ubuntu...oh god, what a nightmare that was :-P
[03:53] <kquamme94> what was wrong with k3b?
[03:54] <GammaRay> xcdroat has a complicated gui but it's very reliable
[03:54] <linux-rulz> kept locking up and forcing me to reboot...would just write a bit, then read and read and read for ages
[03:54] <randabis> xcdroast is in the repos
[03:54] <kquamme94> i was just gonna mention that gamma, you know your stuff
[03:54] <linux-rulz> but nautilus burnt just fine
[03:54] <kquamme94> i've been using nautilus
[03:54] <kquamme94> so i didn't bother dl-ing and installing roast
[03:54] <randabis> I use k3b just fine
[03:55] <linux-rulz> i cant find an option in nautilus for doing multisession discs tho
[03:55] <randabis> just wish I could get it to burn faster than 30x
[03:55] <linux-rulz> does xcdroast have support for multi-session and audio cds....if not then maybe i will try k3b again
[03:55] <kquamme94> i'd try k3b again if you want ease of use
[03:55] <esac> how does one request a package to be added to apt ?
[03:56] <kquamme94> just make sure your libraries are ok
[03:56] <kquamme94> like qt
[03:56] <linux-rulz> nah, i can usually use complicated programs, i just prefer gui in certain situations
[03:56] <kquamme94> you could always get both
[03:56] <linux-rulz> in others, like manages files on my computer, the command line is much easier to use IMHO
[03:56] <kquamme94> and then get rid of the one you don't want
[03:56] <linux-rulz> yeah, thats true...but i dont want too many coasters, im running low on blank discs
[03:57] <kquamme94> :)
[03:57] <linux-rulz> so just trying to collect info before i burn anything
[03:57] <kquamme94> as for file managers, can't go wrong with MC
[03:57] <kquamme94> is that in the repositories?
[03:57] <linux-rulz> ive actually never tried it, i should
[03:58] <linux-rulz> yep, midnight commander is in the repos...apt-get install mc
[03:58] <kquamme94> i love MC, started using it on slack and can't put it down..... an absolute neccesity if x fails
[03:58] <GammaRay> mc is very nice.. great on a crappy computer. I love extrnal panelize
[03:58] <GammaRay> mc has no decent rename feature though
[03:58] <gen> you guys talking about midnight commander?
[03:58] <kquamme94> nope, but it gets the job done
[03:58] <kquamme94> yep
[03:59] <GammaRay> rigged one up w/ dialog though
[03:59] <riplakish> Let me be the 900th person to ask this question:  How do I get the new ATI drivers to work?
[03:59] <kquamme94> just have to move it to same dir with different name
[03:59] <GammaRay> but dialog sucks for function keys though
[03:59] <randabis> is openoffice.org2-core not ready yet or something?
[03:59] <GammaRay> kquamme94: but then you have to retype the name
[03:59] <linux-rulz> openoffice.org2...it hasnt been released yet
[04:00] <kquamme94> yea, but hey, what do you expect from a program that's as old as MC? heh
[04:00] <randabis> in hoary we have a package openoffice.org2-debian-files
[04:00] <riplakish> I upgraded to Hoary already, I installed the linux-retricted-modules and xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:00] <randabis> but you can't install it because openoffice.org2-core isn't there
[04:00] <GammaRay> kquamme94: I'm getting desperate enough to learn curses and add it myself
[04:00] <riplakish> it's a no go
[04:00] <linux-rulz> openoffice.org 2 just entered beta...it is still called 1.9.something, so i dont know why OOo2 would be there
[04:01] <kquamme94> i'd use ur version if you tweaked it
[04:01] <kquamme94> modernize it a litte
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone know of any good linux hardware compatibility sites?
[04:01] <riplakish> glxgears still has pathetic FPS' and glxinfo still says Mesa, what am I no doing correctly?
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> that are current
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> most stuff i've found is years old
[04:02] <knoppix_> how can i make a windows application work in ubuntu?
[04:02] <GammaRay> wine... if you put quotes around work
[04:02] <linux-rulz> Does anyone know of a place where we can suggest packages that should be moved from universe to main so that they can receive security updates?
[04:02] <riplakish> can anyone help me with my ATI driver problem?
[04:02] <linux-rulz> or vote or something?
[04:03] <kquamme94> riplakish: did you search the forums
[04:03] <kquamme94> i'm sure there is something there
[04:03] <riplakish> yes, these are the new drivers that just came out today
[04:04] <linux-rulz> riplakish: you should maybe use the old drivers for the time being
[04:04] <kquamme94> i agree
[04:04] <kquamme94> too soon to expect anyone to have support help for the new drivers
[04:04] <riplakish> i'd rather not.  it's been what - 2 years and still am waiting for decent drivers
[04:04] <linux-rulz> ATI's drivers tend to have different methods of forcing them to work on different distros
[04:04] <kquamme94> did the old ones get the job done?
[04:05] <riplakish> no, been running Mesa.  sux for games
[04:05] <billytwowilly> are the new ati drivers available in an easy to update deb yet?
[04:05] <linux-rulz> riplakish: wait a week or 2, then maybe someone will have posted a howto or something
[04:05] <froust> billy: yup
[04:05] <randabis> billy yessir, in hoary
[04:05] <riplakish> billy:  in the hoary repositories
[04:05] <billytwowilly> ok, I'll look.
[04:05] <froust> mine won't wo0rk
[04:05] <billytwowilly> see if I can figure it out;)
[04:06] <randabis> riplakish have you checked your xorg.conf?
[04:06] <kquamme94> well if your going to try and use the new drivers you best start working on stuff yourself for a few days
[04:06] <riplakish> randabis: for anything specific?
[04:06] <kquamme94> did you look at xorg logs?
[04:06] <randabis> in the device section you should have the frglx (or whatever it's called) driver in there
[04:07] <kquamme94> anyone here see the new Novell distro?
[04:07] <randabis> novell linux desktop?
[04:07] <riplakish> kquamme94:  dan said he had the package ready last week.  it should be as simple as update then upgrade from synaptic
[04:07] <froust> "trying to overwrite /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1' which is also in package ia32-libs"
[04:08] <froust> I get that when I try to update
[04:08] <froust> the drivers
[04:08] <kquamme94> so what happens when you try to start x?
[04:08] <randabis> kquamme94 novell linux desktop?
[04:08] <kquamme94> yea randabis that's the one
[04:08] <randabis> I've used it
[04:08] <riplakish> my driver says "ati"
[04:09] <randabis> it's okay, but it is pretty bare..not a lot of stuff comes with it
[04:09] <randabis> that's your problem rip
[04:09] <riplakish> in xorg.conf, that is
[04:09] <randabis> you're not using the new driver
[04:09] <kquamme94> yea, it's gotta be the name of the new driver
[04:09] <froust> I can't update the driver
[04:09] <firstknight> Hi, I have blabla.tar.gz and blabla.tar.gz.sg.... How do I verify blabla.tar.gz file????
[04:10] <kquamme94> hey, linuxformat has ubuntu ranked in the top 15!
[04:10] <gen> of course it does
[04:10] <randabis> NLD has gnome 2.8 though and it does look pretty slick, but like I said, you don't get a lot of software with it
[04:10] <randabis> and suse packages don't seem compatible
[04:10] <kquamme94> i thought they said it came with 2.6
[04:10] <randabis> hmm..looked like 2.8 to me, could be wrong
[04:10] <Elk_Brad> does mandrake packages work on Ubuntu?
[04:10] <randabis> probably is 2.6
[04:10] <Elk_Brad> do*
[04:11] <kquamme94> lemme check it agaoin
[04:11] <kquamme94> again
[04:11] <randabis> Elk most likely not
[04:11] <randabis> why you would want to install mandrake packages is beyond me
[04:11] <linux-rulz> is there anywhere i can get a list of packages that are currently in hoary without changing my sources.list?
[04:11] <gen> haha
[04:11] <kquamme94> NLD 9 ships with a version-old GNOME release, 2.6. Version 2.6 lacks some improvements we had welcomed in the latest, Version 2.8, such as a straightened-out means of configuring file types.
[04:11] <billytwowilly> any special notes I should know about for the ati drivers?
[04:11] <jdub> linux-rulz: look at archive.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <billytwowilly> anything I have to change that synaptic doesn't do for me?
[04:12] <kquamme94> came from eweek review
[04:12] <randabis> kquamme ah, well they do look pretty similar... :p I only used it a few days
[04:12] <linux-rulz> jdub: i tried, i went to for example abiword but how can i tell which are for hoary and which are for warty?
[04:12] <randabis> billy you'll probably have to change the device driver in xorg.conf
[04:13] <randabis> unless there is a command similar to nvidia-glx-enable for ati
[04:13] <jdub> linux-rulz: look at the dsc or changes files
[04:13] <linux-rulz> other than by version numbers, is there any other way to tell?
[04:13] <kquamme94> riplakish: you get it sorted out?
[04:14] <billytwowilly> did it for me. Nice
[04:14] <linux-rulz> jdub: sorry for being moronic but where are those? in each package folder?
[04:14] <punk0> hi: i have some problems with nat in ubuntu when using my adsl (pppoe) conection, I have routing but when I want load to medium or big sites I cannot do,somebody has had these problems
[04:15] <randabis> billy it isn't ati if that's what it says
[04:15] <randabis> the driver is like frglx or something
[04:15] <jdub> linux-rulz: yes
[04:15] <randabis> not an ati man so I dunno
[04:15] <billytwowilly> it says fglxr
[04:15] <randabis> okay good
[04:15] <randabis> :)
[04:16] <billytwowilly> lemme check again;)
[04:16] <kquamme94> i wonder how riplakish made out
[04:16] <randabis> you have to restart xserver for it to use the never driver
[04:16] <randabis> never = new
[04:16] <randabis> dunno, he kinda disappeared
[04:17] <kquamme94> hopefully things are working
[04:17] <billytwowilly> randabis, heh, I misread it. fglxr was commented out from previously and ati wasn't so I commented out ati and uncommented fglxr.
[04:17] <randabis> godo
[04:17] <randabis> good even
[04:17] <randabis> should just have to restart x then
[04:18] <randabis> and if there are problems you can just go back to the old driver
[04:18] <linux-rulz> jdub: there is nothing in the dsc that suggests which version of each file is for which version of Ubuntu
[04:18] <Grev> is there is easy way to upgrade warty to xorg?
[04:18] <jdub> Grev: no
[04:18] <linux-rulz> jdub: where does apt look to find this info?
[04:19] <randabis> everybody's scary of hoary ;p
[04:19] <kquamme94> lol, not me
[04:19] <randabis> guess it's that big bad UNSTABLE label :p
[04:19] <kquamme94> i use it on an older machine
[04:19] <randabis> me either, I likes it a loot
[04:19] <kquamme94> i was using it on this machine...
[04:19] <randabis> I have it on my main box and laptop
[04:19] <jdub> linux-rulz: the Packages file, you could look in it
[04:19] <jdub> linux-rulz: sorry, i was thinking of the build logs site rather than archive
[04:19] <kquamme94> i am considering using it on this one again
[04:20] <Grev> randabis: gnome was too unstable using a wireless connection
[04:20] <billytwowilly> it's nice
[04:20] <kquamme94> i agree it's nice
[04:20] <billytwowilly> actually, I'll wait till I reboot to say if it's nice or not;)
[04:20] <randabis> my wireless connection on the laptop works fine in hoary with gnome
[04:20] <jdub> Grev: there no relationship between gnome and using wifi...
[04:20] <kquamme94> but most of my time at school on the hoary machine is spent updating
[04:20] <jdub> Grev: beyond the wifi applet
[04:20] <daniels> riplakish: what's wrong with the new drivers?
[04:20] <billytwowilly> my wireless works also, with some tweaking. stupid software on switch..
[04:21] <randabis> daniels, he's disappeared... :p
[04:21] <randabis> his problem was with his xorg.conf I think
[04:21] <daniels> ajhr
[04:21] <randabis> it still had ati as the driver
[04:21] <daniels> ahr, even
[04:21] <linux-rulz> jdub: sorry for being a royal pain in the ass, but i worked all day and my brain isnt functioning at this point, could u provide a link to the file please?
[04:21] <hacim> when I run vlc the movie plays, but no sound, is there something I am missing?
[04:21] <Grev> the wifi applet kept resetting IP to static ip from dhcp
[04:22] <hacim> like a plugin for sound?
[04:22] <jdub> linux-rulz: look under dists
[04:22] <randabis> hey, I wanted to install the openoffice.org2-debian-files, but openoffice.org2-core isn't installable...I thought I got an e-mail saying it was accepted...
[04:22] <jdub> randabis: it hasn't built
[04:22] <randabis> ah
[04:22] <jdub> randabis: hoary-changes is all about uploads, not completed builds
[04:22] <randabis> k
[04:23] <randabis> is there a mailing list for completed builds as well?
[04:23] <jdub> no
[04:23] <randabis> ok
[04:24] <randabis> I like being notified by mail of changes at any rate. :)
[04:24] <randabis> hacim, I don't get sound in vlc either..never figured out why
[04:24] <gelatinouscube> yall mind if I throw a couple of basic questions out there?
[04:24] <hacim> randabis: I think it is something with gnome
[04:24] <randabis> so I just use gxine instead :p
[04:25] <randabis> gelatinouscube NO! :p go ahead
[04:25] <gelatinouscube> k :), here it goes
[04:25] <PovRayMan> I was looking around gnoppix.org and the "support" link flashes me right to ubuntu's website support.  Does that mean I can ask a Gnoppix related question here and possibly get an answer back? :-)
[04:25] <jdub> gelatinouscube: the answer to that is always "ask don't ask to ask" ;-)
[04:25] <hacim> gnome seems to keep vlc from outputting sound, what causes that?
[04:25] <gelatinouscube> one, gtk+ fonts, I have search the forums with no luck on getting them to not look like crap
[04:25] <gelatinouscube> any suggestions?
[04:25] <jdub> hacim: something else is using your sound device, probably esd. configure vlc to use esd.
[04:26] <jdub> gelatinouscube: try various settings in the Fonts dialogue
[04:26] <GammaRay> gelatinouscube: what are you comparing them to?
[04:26] <randabis> vlc's configuration editor sucks :p
[04:26] <jdub> gelatinouscube: depending on the font, whether the autohinter is on (/etc/fonts/local.conf), whether subpixel AA is on and whether it's configured for your screen correctly can all have an impact
[04:27] <gelatinouscube> I'm comparing them to what I had under gentoo where my gtk and gtk2 fonts look the same
[04:27] <hacim> jdub: not so sure how
[04:27] <GammaRay> jdub: is it just me or is the type coder interpeter for freetype shipped on?
[04:28] <PovRayMan> I just wanted to know if there was a complete Gnoppix install alongside it being a Live Cd.  I want to install a simple linux setup with gnome/fluxbox for the only purpose of web/aim/irc.  I tried to install ubuntu but the installer just hangs, the ubuntu live cd works fine though.
[04:28] <randabis> but jdub's probably right, esd causes a lot of trouble for some apps
[04:28] <billytwowilly> hmm, on glxgears inspection, the new ati drivers suck..
[04:28] <hikaru79> Xfce is cool. Anyone else tried out the new 4.2.0 yet? =)
[04:28] <randabis> I can't play doom3 unless I completely kill esd for instance
[04:28] <jdub> GammaRay: i don't believe we turn on the bytecode interpreter.
[04:28] <billytwowilly> 1375 fps? wtf?
[04:28] <jdub> randabis: no, it only causes trouble for apps that aren't configured to use it.
[04:28] <randabis> meh that's what I meant
[04:28] <randabis> :p
[04:28] <jdub> hikaru79: yeah, it's looking good. bit more confusing that i expected it to be
[04:28] <PovRayMan> hikaru79 I tried that XFCD live cd, its nice.
[04:29] <hikaru79> jdub, confusing? How so?
[04:29] <hikaru79> PovRayMan, I've just installed it, and it is nice indeed =)
[04:29] <jdub> hikaru79: lots of clicky-clicky things.
[04:29] <GammaRay> jdub: are there replacement packages in universe/multiverse? I don't remember doing it myself.
[04:29] <hikaru79> Heh
[04:29] <PovRayMan> so anyone have any idea to help me solve my situation?
[04:29] <jdub> GammaRay: of?
[04:29] <hikaru79> I'm noticing an instant improvement in Firefox loading time...
[04:30] <GammaRay> jdub: freetype2
[04:30] <jdub> GammaRay: why would there be?
[04:31] <GammaRay> jdub: to turn on the byte code interpeter
[04:31] <gelatinouscube> jdub: it looks like the autohinting is off
[04:31] <jdub> GammaRay: no way dude.
[04:33] <riplakish> sorry, I'm back now
[04:33] <shantanu> hello
[04:34] <riplakish> I ran fglrxconfig and it generated a new xorg.conf file for me.  I'll see if that does the trick.  BRB.  Hopefully ;)
[04:34] <hacim> what do people use to watch movies? I've tried totem, vlc, and xine and they all work, but none of them play sound
[04:36] <GammaRay> hmm I have the freetype package that shipped w/ warty but my ms fonst look as good as on windows
[04:36] <GammaRay> very odd
[04:36] <hikaru79> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/  <--- Will this be included in Hoary?
[04:36] <hikaru79> Or is Hoary coming out before this is released?
[04:37] <bj_> its 2.9.4 now
[04:37] <bj_> pretty close
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> gammaray: my fonts are fine in gtk2
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> just not gtk 1.2
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> you like for xmms, vlc, gnucash
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> ... etc
[04:39] <phuzzy> i have a quesiton for you guys
[04:39] <GammaRay> gelatinouscube: treid gtk-theme-switch?
[04:39] <gelatinouscube> themes for gtk 1 work fine also, i just haven't been able to change the font style or size
[04:39] <phuzzy> does anyone know how to install the java runtime for firefox?
[04:39] <hacim> what do people use to watch movies?
[04:39] <GammaRay> gelatinouscube: switch has font selection
[04:39] <GammaRay> hacim: dvd?
[04:39] <gelatinouscube> really, I didn't know that, let me take a look
[04:40] <hacim> GammaRay: no, quicktime, avi, etc.
[04:40] <kquamme94> hacim: probably totem or xine
[04:40] <GammaRay> hacim: I install totem-xine and the win32-codec
[04:40] <kquamme94> you'll probably need to dl codecs
[04:40] <hacim> kquamme94: yeah, both totem and xine-ui seem to play movies fine, but the sound doesn't play
[04:40] <kquamme94> hmm
[04:40] <hacim> GammaRay: yeah, I just installed those and totem seems to not play quicktime
[04:40] <kquamme94> sound server problem?
[04:41] <kquamme94> do you have xine using alsa or esd/
[04:41] <hacim> kquamme94: mmm, not sure, I just installed it
[04:41] <kquamme94> i think i have all my multimedia stuff using esd
[04:41] <kquamme94> i know i had to change XMMS to esd to get it to work
[04:42] <GammaRay> the files might have mp3s embedded
[04:42] <colo-jim> Has anyone got a ftp server up and running with Ubuntu?
[04:42] <GammaRay> I don't know if totem-xine needs a plugin for that...
[04:42] <kquamme94> oh, then i suppose you need the unsupported repos
[04:42] <hacim> kquamme94: the audio setup in xine only shows speaker arrangement :(*
[04:42] <kquamme94> did you go into the config?
[04:43] <kquamme94> and the "god" mode
[04:43] <kquamme94> or whatever it is
[04:43] <GammaRay> colo-jim: I have, but I used pure-ftpd
[04:43] <kquamme94> it shows a whole buch more crap then beginner
[04:43] <hacim> kquamme94: ah, I didn't know I needed to go in that mode
[04:43] <randabis> yeah xfce is pretty nice... :p I think hoary has 4.2 not sure
[04:43] <kquamme94> does it show up now?
[04:44] <kquamme94> if it's an mp3 isssue you'll need the mp3 codecs
[04:44] <colo-jim> GammaRay: Thanks, I will try that one I am having a hard time getting Proftpd to work
[04:44] <jdub> randabis: not yet
[04:44] <kquamme94> there is a howto on the forums
  ihave it in warty
[04:44] <jdub> randabis: because it's in universe, we may sync it
[04:44] <jdub> even though we're post-UVF
[04:45] <randabis> well this version is still pretty nice
[04:45] <kquamme94> howd it go rip?
[04:45] <Scooter> I just uninstalled everything XFce and used graphical installer from XFce site, works like a charm in warty so far 8) you need
[04:45] <riplakish> i'm back  :)  it didn't work :(
[04:45] <kquamme94> darn
[04:46] <riplakish> glad i backed my xorg.conf file
[04:46] <randabis> yeah this is 4.0.6
[04:46] <kquamme94> :)
[04:46] <Scooter> I am installing hoary on my SMP 0pteron, hopre it works,
[04:47] <randabis> hmm
[04:47] <kquamme94> i gotta split
[04:47] <kquamme94> cya all later
[04:47] <randabis> brb going back to gnome for now
[04:48] <linux-rulz> OK, I am in XCDRoast's page where you go to write a disc, i went to write tracks, then into the write tracks tab, now what write mode do i need to select in order to write it as a multisession disc....is it TAO???
[04:48] <riplakish> l8r kquamme94, thx 4 the help
[04:50] <randabis> ah
[04:50] <randabis> better :p
[04:52] <GammaRay> what does the left most column mean in dpkg -l?
[04:54] <yokomo_> how does one install fluxbox?
[04:54] <yokomo_> I did the apt-get install fluxbox
[04:54] <yokomo_> but it says another window manager is already running
[04:55] <yokomo_> what window manager would that be?
[04:56] <hacim> huh, xine sorta works now, but it sucks as a movie player
[04:56] <jdub> hacim: use totem-xine
[04:56] <hacim> jdub: I'll try that
[04:57] <hacim> jdub: if I install totem-xine, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop!
[04:57] <crimsun> jdub: that's fine.
[04:57] <crimsun> err
[04:57] <crimsun> sorry jdub :)
[04:57] <crimsun> hacim: that's fine.
[04:57] <hacim> it is?
[04:57] <jdub> hacim: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[04:57] <hacim> ok
[04:58] <koko775> i'm having trouble with ubuntu
[04:58] <hacim> and its fine it removes totem-gstreamer?
[04:58] <jdub> hacim: it'll annoy you a bit when doing upgrades, but just try to install u-d every now and then and see what's missing
[04:58] <jdub> hacim: yes
[04:58] <koko775> i just installed hoary, and sudo isn't working
[04:58] <randabis> maybe you aren't in the sudousers group
[04:58] <koko775> that's what it says
[04:58] <hacim> jdub: if i could get vlc to work with esd I would be happy
[04:59] <koko775> and i can't use root
[04:59] <koko775> obviously
[04:59] <koko775> how do i make myself a sudouser?
[04:59] <koko775> does it require rebooting into single user mode?
[05:00] <hacim> jdub: how do I make totem-xine use esd?
[05:00] <riplakish> it works!
[05:00] <shantanu> is there any good email client with ubuntu other than evolution?
[05:00] <riplakish> i changed the Drver from "ati" to "fglrx" in xorg.conf and that did the trick
[05:00] <crimsun> mozilla-thunderbird
[05:01] <DonL> I like thunderbird
[05:01] <hacim> crimsun: totem-xine seems to play movies, but sound doesn't work
[05:01] <shantanu> crimsun: is it in default installation?
[05:01] <crimsun> hacim: what's the sound configured as?
[05:01] <randabis> hmm I'm not getting any sound in flash movies
[05:01] <koko775> eh
[05:01] <koko775> how do i make myself a sudouser?
[05:01] <crimsun> shantanu: no.
[05:02] <randabis> rip told ya that was the problem :p
[05:02] <DonL> shantanu, I think it's in mine, but it may be from another repository
[05:02] <hacim> crimsun: in totem?
[05:02] <crimsun> hacim: totem-xine
[05:02] <shantanu> how do I install it?
[05:02] <hacim> crimsun: maybe I am running just totem
[05:03] <hacim> crimsun: I see no executable by the name of totem-xine
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> totem-xine is the package
[05:03] <crimsun> the executable is totem
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> it replaces the 'totem' executable
[05:03] <jdub> hacim: ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[05:03] <riplakish> only problem now is that my Screen Resolution is like "1280x1024" and I cant change it.  the "Screen Resoltion" app doesn't work now
[05:03] <DonL> koko775, just type sudo <command>
[05:03] <DonL> then answer with your personal password
[05:03] <koko775> DonL: i just said, I *can't*
[05:03] <koko775> it says i'm not allowed to sudo
[05:03] <jdub> #audio.driver:auto
[05:04] <jdub> hacim: ^ uncomment that, change auto to esd
[05:04] <koko775> this is a fresh install of the current hoary iso
[05:04] <DonL> koko775, sorry, I just came in here and missed the first part
[05:04] <crimsun> shantanu: just install it using synaptic or aptitude
[05:04] <Scooter> hoary has ISO?
[05:04] <yokomo_> so, can anyone help me get fluxbox to work?
[05:04] <hacim> jdub: perfect, thanks it works
[05:04] <crimsun> shantanu: the package name is 'mozilla-thunderbird'
[05:04] <koko775> Scooter: yes, through jigdo
[05:05] <Scooter> nice 8)
[05:05] <crimsun> yokomo_: what's not working?
[05:05] <DonL> Has anyone tried enemy territories?
[05:05] <Scooter> I am just getting it from warty.. i wish i had ISO... this is pain in the A$$
[05:05] <yokomo_> crimsun, I try to run fluxbox but it says there is another manager running
[05:06] <koko775> what i'm trying to do is rsync with the ubuntu servers and then transplant the HD to my school
[05:06] <koko775> of which there are a few computers running ubuntu
[05:06] <crimsun> yokomo_: are you trying to run fluxbox from within GNOME? If so, you should exit GNOME and choose Fluxbox at the login screen.
[05:07] <yokomo_> from the login screen... right
[05:07] <yokomo_> ok
[05:07] <randabis> hmm...still haven't figured out this problem yet
[05:09] <koko775> i guess nobody cares
[05:09] <koko775> sheesh
[05:09] <DonL> anyway, seems Enemy Territory installed nicely, but it reboots my machine every time I try to run it. Any ideas?
[05:11] <Sulimo> Perhaps someone can help me out here. I did an ubuntu install and it went mostly smoothly except for the ISA sound card which it didnt detect at all. Is there any way to make it work?
[05:11] <regeya> wow, an ISA sound card!
[05:11] <DonL> I used to have one of those
[05:12] <regeya> is this perhaps an old card that requires a nice DOS util to set up (in lieu of jumpers)
[05:12] <crimsun> Sulimo: which card?
[05:12] <DonL> I had to run sndconf all the time.  That's what I had
[05:13] <crimsun> Sulimo: a true sb16 clone or a crappy emulator than only does 8-bit?
[05:13] <regeya> no help here...never had a sb16 isa. :-(
[05:13] <crimsun> that^
[05:13] <crimsun> Sulimo: lspnp
[05:13] <Sulimo> a true clone
[05:13] <crimsun> don't paste here.
[05:14] <crimsun> Sulimo: if it's a true clone, then `sudo modprobe snd-sb16'
[05:14] <DonL> I remember once 2.4.3 I think it was arrived, I didn't have to re-install it all the time
[05:14] <randabis> grr wish I could get this no sound in flash problem sorted out
[05:14] <crimsun> randabis: are you using esd?
[05:14] <adoyretsamon> er StolenShoeBox will be dumped...
[05:14] <shantanu> bbl
[05:15] <pantz_> whats the difference between multiverse and universe in sources.lst
[05:15] <StolenShoeBox> adoyretsamon, huh?
[05:15] <regeya> request:  make esd optional in hoary plsthx (unless I just had random cruft in my old home dir that caused that to happen on my warty install, in which case nevermind)
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> you just logged in and out 3 times... that's all
[05:15] <crimsun> pantz_: multiverse includes non-free and contrib components
[05:15] <jivera> Ugh, I hate windows' installer... "grah, you want to create a partition to install Windows in? Surely you want all of the available free space!"
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> lol
[05:16] <crimsun> pantz_: additionally, it merges external sources
[05:16] <regeya> well, you have to admit, jivera, that most people want to take up all available free space
[05:16] <pantz_> so with multiverse I can get mplayer?
[05:16] <regeya> it's less confusing to the average user
[05:16] <Scooter> My cavorite installers for HD are KANOTIX, you can surf net, or play solitare from live CD while it iinstalls....
[05:16] <Scooter> favorite
[05:17] <pantz_> crimsun, if i enable multiverse - does that cover all of universe too then?
[05:17] <Sulimo> crimsun: Tried it. I get a 'no such device' error.
[05:17] <crimsun> pantz_: no, you need to enable multiverse _and_ universe.
[05:17] <pantz_> crimsun, is that wise?
[05:17] <Scooter> :( is current kernel 2.6.10?
[05:17] <crimsun> pantz_: depends on what _you_ want
[05:18] <crimsun> Scooter: in Hoary, yes.
[05:18] <Scooter> Thanks :)
[05:18] <regeya> guh
[05:18] <pantz_> crimsun, mplayer :)
[05:18] <Scooter> I was getting nervous there :)
[05:18] <crimsun> Sulimo: are you absolutely positive it's a true clone?
[05:18] <crimsun> pantz_: you can use marillat's repo for it.
[05:18] <pantz_> crimsun, and tuxpaint :P
[05:19] <pantz_> crimsun, and the codecs like xvid, divx?
[05:19] <crimsun> pantz_: tuxpaint is in 'universe'
[05:19] <esac> has anybody gotten debian-marillat to work recently, it wont connect for me
[05:19] <crimsun> pantz_: codecs are in marillat's repo.
[05:19] <randabis> crimsun, yes I am using esd
[05:19] <Sulimo> crimsun: I always thought it was. Is there a way to tell?
[05:19] <randabis> sorry it took so long, I've been looking for a solution
[05:19] <pantz_> crimsun, you da man - thanks heaps
[05:19] <crimsun> randabis: did you set FIREFOX_DSP in ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc?
[05:19] <randabis> no, I'll try that..do I set it to esd?
[05:19] <crimsun> randabis: please read /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian
[05:20] <randabis> ok
[05:20] <crimsun> [esddsp]
[05:20] <randabis> thx
[05:20] <themime> i just installed ubuntu but for some reason (probaby my cdrom drive or the cd itself), the GRUB loader did not load (but LILO did), is this going to effect me at all?
[05:20] <themime> did not load = did not install
[05:20] <crimsun> esac: works fine here.
[05:20] <Scooter> this new XFce is Soooo Nice!!!
[05:20] <crimsun> Sulimo: lspnp, as I stated above. :-)
[05:20] <elocal> anyone running gnomebaker?
[05:20] <regeya> what's great about the new version, Scooter?
[05:20] <crimsun> Scooter: it is nice.
[05:20] <Scooter> 4.2
[05:21] <Klementas> I just installed Ubuntu and I'm wondering what everyone uses to configure the runlevels?
[05:21] <regeya> runlevels are confusing
[05:21] <Scooter> i am installing Xorg on other system, I cant wait to see dropshadows under windows 8)
[05:21] <randabis> where is .mozilla-firefoxrc located? /home? if so, I don't have one
[05:21] <wapowell> hi
[05:21] <regeya> maybe for grumpy the system could adopt singleuser and multiuser
[05:21] <themime> thats another question i have too, what are runlevels?
[05:21] <regeya> and nothing else
[05:22] <esac> ok got it, mustve been a temporary thing
[05:22] <Klementas> I could just delete the symlinks by hand, but I'm hoping that there is a graphical prog for setting runlevels
[05:22] <Sulimo> crimsun: opening it up. It has a vibra 16 on the card.
[05:23] <Klementas> why does Ubuntu's version of gnome not have the services-admin prog?
[05:23] <crimsun> Sulimo: then it's not true PnP
[05:23] <DonL> vibra always worked well for me, Sulimo
[05:23] <crimsun> Sulimo: and you need to use `sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0'
[05:23] <Klementas> I can't find any docs on this either, can any one point me to docs on configuring runlevels?
[05:24] <themime> ditto
[05:24] <crimsun> Klementas: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play the runlevel game. 2->5 are equivalent.
[05:24] <themime> "no more processes left in this runlevel" ?
[05:24] <regeya> crimsun, I think he's meaning adding/removing services, crimsun.
[05:25] <crimsun> Klementas: update-rc.d
[05:25] <Klementas> crimsun, yes, I see that, but how do I turn on and off services?
[05:25] <regeya> unintuitive
[05:25] <crimsun> Klementas: /etc/init.d/something stop
[05:25] <randabis> crimsun, I'm still not getting any sound in flash movies after changing mozillafirefoxrc
[05:25] <regeya> someone should remove runlevel services until that's fixed
[05:26] <crimsun> regeya: what's broken?
[05:26] <randabis> I restarted firefox
[05:26] <crimsun> randabis: did you set FIREFOX_DSP=esddsp in ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc ?
[05:26] <randabis> yes
[05:26] <DonL> Well, night folks!
[05:26] <regeya> no intuitive way of adding and removing services if so desired
[05:27] <crimsun> regeya: patches are welcome.
[05:27] <Klementas> crimsun, so there's no graphical version of update-rc.d ?
[05:27] <crimsun> randabis: and if it's set to "auto" or "none"?
[05:27] <esac> has anybody installed mplayer ? synaptic is complaining about libartsc0 libfribidi0 libggi2 libpng12-0 and libungif4g .. how do i resolve those ?
[05:27] <randabis> it was set to auto already, I'll try none
[05:28] <crimsun> esac: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[05:28] <crimsun> esac: then update and install an mplayer package
[05:28] <randabis> nope
[05:28] <randabis> still no sound
[05:28] <crimsun> randabis: for either value?
[05:29] <crimsun> (or any of the three, rather)
[05:29] <randabis> any of them
[05:29] <randabis> I've tried them all
[05:29] <crimsun> Klementas: I'm not familiar with one, but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Try searching via Google.
[05:29] <crimsun> randabis: sorry, I don't know offhand then.
[05:30] <randabis> :( thanks for trying at any rate
[05:30] <crimsun> esac: what cpu do you have?
[05:30] <Klementas> crimsun, gnome comes with one, but it's not installed by ubuntu
[05:30] <randabis> esd is running, I know that much, and sound in general is working
[05:31] <esac> crimsun, p4
[05:31] <bj_> can anyone help me build something from source
[05:31] <bj_> ?
[05:31] <froust> Is there a way I can reinstall hoary overtop of my hoary install?
[05:31] <crimsun> esac: then install mplayer-686
[05:31] <froust> (I have some sort of messed up dependency problem)
[05:32] <DarkPPPP> hey, are ubuntu still having that deal where they send you out a free cd
[05:32] <esac> crimsun, mplayer-686:
[05:32] <esac>  Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[05:32] <crimsun> DarkPPPP: yes, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[05:32] <Klementas> crimsun, it usually comes with gnome-system-tools, which ubuntu has, but without the services admin part
[05:32] <esac> does that mean i need to mark 586 as well ?
[05:32] <trey3> DarkPPPP, yes afaik...
[05:32] <crimsun> esac: did you add the deb line I gave you?
[05:32] <esac> it says 686 is a transitional package that should be removed
[05:32] <esac> crimsun, i did, it fixes the errors
[05:32] <esac> should i remove marillat ?
[05:33] <crimsun> esac: no, you need to keep that.
[05:33] <crimsun> esac: mplayer-586 should suffice.
[05:33] <esac> k
[05:33] <froust> Can anyone help me?
[05:33] <crimsun> esac: please direct all questions regarding those packages on www.sh.nu to me.
[05:33] <crimsun> froust: what are you attempting to build?
[05:33] <bj_> Im trying to build expocity.I did configure, make, and make install. but i see no binaries
[05:34] <froust> crimsun: I've broken gnome somehow
[05:34] <froust> I logged in to no menu (on the panel)(
[05:34] <froust> and I had this happen before when I upgraded my kernel to a k8
[05:35] <froust> I fixed it by removing gnome-applets and gnome-panel
[05:35] <froust> but when i try to reinstall gnome-applets i get a dependency error (can't install x because it needs y, can't install y because it needs x)
[05:35] <froust> I think it requires previous versions of each though
[05:35] <froust> Which is confusing
[05:36] <crimsun> froust: have you reinstalled gnome-panel, gnome-panel-data, and gnome-applets, and gnome-applets-data?
[05:36] <froust> I can't install gnome-applets
[05:36] <froust> or gnome-applets data
[05:37] <froust> it requires x.x.x.ubuntu2 and i have x.x.x.ubuntu3
[05:37] <froust> fg
[05:37] <crimsun> froust: have you updated?
[05:37] <froust> Yup
[05:37] <crimsun> froust: recently?
[05:37] <froust> like an apt-get update? several times
[05:37] <aethera> morning
[05:38] <crimsun> froust: within the last 5 minutes?
[05:38] <froust> nope
[05:38] <crimsun> froust: it upgrades fine for me.
[05:39] <froust> crimsun - i just did an update/upgrade, and nothing new was d/l'd
[05:40] <froust> I have no idea what's wrong
[05:40] <Arkainium> is it really worth while to limit yourself to the main/restricted repositories?  my main concern is I don't want to make it any harder to upgrade to future releases.
[05:41] <froust> I'm about to reinstall I think.
[05:41] <crimsun> froust: you don't need to reinstall.
[05:41] <froust> is there any way i can completely remove everything to do with gnome and reinstall it all/
[05:41] <crimsun> froust: what errors (paste to pastebin.com) do you get when you try to install those four packages?
[05:41] <Klementas> what is causing the ton of kenel modules to be loaded on startup, and how can I configure this??
[05:41] <froust> I'm stuck in tty1
[05:42] <froust> Can't copy/paste
[05:42] <esac> /boot/grub doesnt exist, why is it missing ?
[05:42] <froust> crimsun - i'll copy it verbatim... I don't have any problems with gnome-panel stuff
[05:43] <Arkainium> Klementas, i think that's the auto loading mechanism.  the only way I know around it is to compile a custom kernel or get rid of the program and load the modules yourself
[05:43] <Klementas> Arkainium, ok
[05:44] <Klementas> Arkainium, but I've compiled a ton of kernels with modules and they never loaded up