[00:14] <shtylman> Riddell: any futher improvements you want me to make on the installer? Or just basically do a few last runthroughs to make sure it is still on par with the gtk side?
[00:24] <Riddell> hmm, ubiquity doesn't seem to run just now
[00:24] <Riddell> shtylman: does it show only one disk at a time with the paritition bars?
[00:43] <joshjtl> hey folks, trying to build something from source, need to find out what my kde installation directory is
[00:53] <joshjtl> is the raptor menu meant for the panel? or for desktop?
[00:54] <Riddell> our packages are in /usr
[01:00] <joshjtl> Riddell: talking to me?
[01:12] <Riddell> mm hmm
[01:48] <joshjtl> can anyone help me out here... Im trying to apply this patch to a plasmoid
[01:48] <joshjtl> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=98748
[03:21] <seele> la
[03:22] <seele> apachelogger: what is the most recent amarok-nightly? i did all my updates and it says march 18
[03:26] <shtylman> Riddell: yep
[03:32] <Riddell> shtylman: I don't suppose you managed tooltips on mouse over the map?
[03:33] <shtylman> Riddell: unfortunately its not all the way yet (started it but then school got in the way) ... I will finish it this weekend, depending on how it goes though...my biggest concern is the cpu usage on low end machines...
[03:34] <shtylman> Riddell: I might try point caching or something, cause otherwise every time...the location in lat/long has to be converted to screen coords
[03:34] <shtylman> and that is done for every item in the list
[03:34] <shtylman> cause they are unsorted
[03:39]  * seele pokes Riddell and reminds him about akademy submission information :P
[03:43] <Riddell> oh you always do that late at night
[03:45] <Riddell> seele: this is my usual stock photo http://jriddell.org/me4.jpg
[03:46] <Riddell> seele: how long should the bio be?
[03:58] <Riddell> seele: how's this?  http://pastebin.com/m60dcb0f5
[03:59]  * Riddell snoozes
[08:46] <Quintasan> hi
[09:45] <a|wen> Riddell: the kickoff focus problem: kde svn rev 951367 ... looks like we either have to have missing focus for kickoff or have pop-ups shown above screensaver; do we have any preferences (i would vote focus as most important=
[10:50] <Riddell> a|wen: hmm, bummer
[10:50] <Riddell> a|wen: the widgets over screensaver was a security issue though, that generally takes precedence
[10:53] <a|wen> Riddell: hmm, good point ... upstream has ended up reverting it in any case
[11:06] <jtholmes> Riddell, just woke up, but will try live cd with mem=512 within the next hour
[11:09] <agateau> Riddell: I will work on a better fix for the security issue this afternoon
[11:09] <Riddell> agateau: seems different window flags may be required for different popups?
[11:10] <agateau> Riddell: yes, but the popup has a passive mode, so the idea is to only set the Qt::tool flag in passive mode
[11:10] <agateau> Riddell: I discussed this with aaron on #plasma this morning
[11:18]  * a|wen hugs agateau
[11:18] <agateau> a|wen: better wait until the patch actually exists :)
[11:19] <a|wen> agateau: you can have a second one then ... you know, i'm the constant optimist :)
[11:19] <agateau> :)
[11:33] <seele> Riddell: late at night is reletive
[11:33] <seele> argh.. more messages from nay myo
[11:33] <seele> Riddell: that bio is quite long, i think it is longer than your abstract! ;)
[11:34] <Riddell> it's because I'm such a cool person, hard to miss out anything
[11:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's your backtrace on the scpk New Printer button?  It works here
[11:51] <Lure> Riddell: widgets over screensaver does not work for me - at least notifications get through screensaver stilll
[11:52] <a|wen> Lure: you can amuse yourself about, that what was supposed to fix it killed the kickoff focus
[11:52] <Lure> a|wen: I know
[11:53]  * Lure hates focus issue too ;-)
[11:53] <Lure> Riddell: but I use plasma on screensaver, so that may be the reason why I still get notifications through
[11:53] <Lure> agateau: ^^^
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147602/
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> Clicked "New Local Printer"
[12:48] <Riddell> I wonder whyever don't I get that
[12:50] <agateau> Lure: I just start to work on this
[12:56] <mgraesslin> agateau: you might want to have a look at kde bug 188408 as well, especially comment #9
[12:56] <seele> Riddell: do you know if mustapha is on irc?
[12:56] <agateau> mgraesslin: reading report
[14:44] <Riddell> seele: he's mni when he is, not very often
[14:45] <seele> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:06] <Tonio__> hi
[15:06] <Tonio__> Riddell: where have you seen about debian and kdesudo ?
[15:07] <Tonio__> Riddell: I can't see anything about upcoming upload
[15:08] <Riddell>  Apr 08 Didier Raboud   (  28) rev 14320 - kde-extras/kdesudo/trunk/debian
[15:08] <Riddell> Log:
[15:08] <Riddell> kdesudo - Prepare for relase.
[15:08] <Riddell> wrong svn ubottu
[15:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[15:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: also there seem to be a fix for kickoff and the focus problem
[15:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is pretty anoying, shouldn't we consider an upload for that (I know the freeze started....)
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188655
[15:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: here the patch : http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdelibs/plasma/popupapplet.cpp?r1=951367&r2=951366&pathrev=951367&view=patch
[15:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: agateau is looking to see if there's a better fix
[15:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[15:15] <Tonio_> so it'll be fixed before the release in any case, good :)
[15:16] <agateau> assuming I get it to work, not done yet :/
[15:16] <Tonio_> agateau: :)
[15:16] <Tonio_> agateau: if you need an uploader, you can ping me
[15:16] <Tonio_> hi davidbarth
[15:16] <agateau> ok
[15:16] <Tonio_> agateau: talking about that, will you have to go threw the all core-dev process to get upload permissions ?
[15:17] <agateau> Tonio_: I have no idea
[15:17] <agateau> eventually most of my work should go upstream, not sure I will become a real packager
[15:18] <agateau> but one never knows
[15:18] <Tonio_> it reminds me of the time I had to ping Riddell 3 times a day with debdiffs for main :) that was frustrating... we didn't use bzr at all...
[15:18] <Tonio_> agateau: sure
[15:23] <davidbarth> Tonio_: hi
[15:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm really frustrated we couldn't get k3b at time for jaunty
[15:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: once it gets released officially, do you think a SRU might be considered even if that's a massive change from the kde3 version ?
[15:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't think it'll get past as a SRU but backports should be fine
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: that was my concern.... too much of a big change for SRU.... fair enough with backports then..
[15:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll promote my ppa a little bit on the planet then, for people that miss it ;)
[15:33] <DaskreecH> Tonio_: Then we start shipping OO.o with no KDE integration?
[15:40] <Tonio_> DaskreecH: hum, that's another story :)
[15:40] <Tonio_> DaskreecH: I'd like to sheep without OOo if that was possible...
[15:41] <Tonio_> DaskreecH: but I have no idea if koffice will be usable enough so that we can consider shipping with it one day....
[15:43] <DaskreecH> It won't
[15:43] <DaskreecH> For right now. 2.0 and 2.1 I think can easily be compared with KDE 4.0 and 4.1
[15:44] <DaskreecH> Whereas we had fairly compelling reason to go with KDE 4.1 I think that those arguments will not hold for Koffice 2.1
[15:44] <DaskreecH> BTW there is a new Koffice Beta out isn't there?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> Release candidate, yes
[15:49] <DaskreecH> Sorry RC
[15:49] <DaskreecH> When things calm down will that get packaged?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> I think it's already been packaged
[15:53] <DaskreecH> wot? Man You sleep for 5 hours and you miss everything
[15:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesudo lacks Messages.sh
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> DaskreecH: Yeah, Riddell updated it April 2nd
[15:57] <DaskreecH> OK must have had my head in the sand
[15:57] <DaskreecH>  I hate not having a computer :(
[16:06] <agateau> Riddell: patch for kde bug #179924 http://pastebin.com/f6765929b
[16:23] <Riddell> afiestas: ooh
[16:26] <Riddell> agateau: ooh
[16:38] <davmor2> Riddell: is hitting "print screen" meant to take a screen shot?
[16:42] <Riddell> davmor2: I don't think we have anything set up to do that
[17:09] <Quintasan> Anyone noticed that Yakuake crashes when setting height by drop down menu?
[17:09] <Quintasan> bug 358415
[17:16] <davmor2> Riddell: that would explain why it did nothing then :)
[17:21] <a|wen> davmor2: normally works here to press print screen
[17:21] <davmor2> a|wen: it doesn't on the livecd :(
[17:22] <a|wen> hmm ... here ksnapshot comes up and says "hi" to me :)
[17:23] <Quintasan> here it doesn't :<
[17:24] <davmor2> a|wen: I hit print screen 4 times gave up and clicked on the menu entry instead
[17:25] <a|wen> maybe it's because my computer was upgraded from intrepifd
[17:25] <a|wen> (no f there)
[17:34] <Nightrose> Riddell: umbrello email on kde-deevel
[17:34] <Nightrose> (in case you want to reply)
[17:37] <Riddell> ooh
[17:37] <Riddell> a volunteer
[17:38] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: check out bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kcm-scpk/ and see if it fixes your crash
[17:46] <Riddell> checkout; sudo cp *py *ui /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/; kcmshell4 kcm-scpk
[17:55] <blizzz> ooh, flash works :)
[17:56] <apachelogger> jjesse-mini9: how fast is konqueror starting on the mini?
[18:00] <a|wen> apachelogger: on an eeePC (same processor) konqueror starts in 1-2 seconds or so ... around 4-5 times faster than firefox
[18:00] <apachelogger> hm
[18:00] <apachelogger> that is still tooooo slow
[18:00] <apachelogger> a|wen: how fast is arora?
[18:01] <a|wen> apachelogger: it is on intrepid (and i386) though; so might be better in jaunty with lpia ... haven't testet arora
[18:02] <apachelogger> a|wen, jjesse-mini9: if you get a chance, I'd be interested how fast arora and konqueror (with preloading) start ... and if the latter noticable decreases startup time
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: works
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> though now the button says "New network printer" rather than "new local printer"
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> and I can't figure out how to configure my printer, which is plugged in to one of those old, wide-ish printer ports
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it's giving the wizard it used to use
[18:14] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: you have a parralell printer? rofl!
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> Parallel! That's it
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> I think it's almost as old or possibly even older than me
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> but it still works great (LaserJet 4L)
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> Unlike today's printers, it had to actually go and physically break a gear before it stopped working
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> (we fixed it)
[18:22] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: yeah, I had one of those previously
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Wow, koffice2 is down to 3 bugs in LP
[18:25] <apachelogger> koffice \o/
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> upstream is a bugfixing machine
[18:25] <apachelogger> kubuntu-netbook-remix _needs_ to ship with koffice
[18:25] <apachelogger> openoffice is just too big and too far off the usecase IMHO
[18:30] <jussi01> koffice has one major thing that stops me from using it... and thats the lack of ms format support...
[18:49] <kb9vqf> Is there any way we can keep opeoffice.org KDE3.5 integration?
[18:50] <kb9vqf> I really, *really* don't want to get into maintaining openoffice.org as well
[18:52] <a|wen> apachelogger: on intrepid i386: arora ~3s; konqueror ~3s; konqueror no preload ~4,5s; firefox ~5,5s
[18:52] <a|wen> apachelogger: be aware that is on power save mode when
[18:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: no dynamic mode ... when running on battery
[18:54] <a|wen> kb9vqf: openoffice.org is still built against the old kde3.5 kdelibs ... it hasn't been ported to kde3 yet
[18:54] <a|wen> s/kde3/kde4/2
[18:54]  * kb9vqf breathes a large sigh of relief
[18:55] <a|wen> kb9vqf: but don't know how the integration is ... the kdelibs it is built against is kind of limbing
[18:56] <kb9vqf> a|wen: It seems to work fine for me...let me check again...
[18:57] <kb9vqf> a|wen: Yeah, from what I can see it is working perfectly fine
[18:58] <a|wen> kb9vqf: good for you ... bad for us getting rid of kde3 from the cd ;)
[18:59] <kb9vqf> a|wen: So why not just not have that package on the CD?  AFAIK the integration is a separate package, just built along with oo.org
[19:00]  * kb9vqf thinks he is missing something
[19:00] <a|wen> kb9vqf: we have k3b kde3 version in any case so wouldn't give us any significant space
[19:00] <kb9vqf> a|wen: that explains it.
[19:00] <a|wen> kb9vqf: and in any case; the no integration option is just ugly IIRC from last i tried
[19:01] <kb9vqf> a|wen: ugly is a huge understatement
[19:01] <kb9vqf> a|wen: looks like Linux from 1995
[19:01] <kb9vqf> ;)
[19:02] <a|wen> kb9vqf: then it hasn't changed, he ... i'm pretty sure it will be kept till a working+stable kde4 integration is ready
[19:03] <kb9vqf> a|wen: OK, then I probably have 6 months or so to find a way to build the integration separately.  Sounds good to me!
[19:03] <kb9vqf> riddell: any news on the kde3.5 livecds yet?  I'd kind of like to have them out for beta testing in a larger test pool than my vmware machines here ;)
[19:05] <a|wen> kb9vqf: depends on how fast the kde4 development gets to the point where you switch :)
[19:06] <kb9vqf> a|wen: Well, when I can make it look, act, configure, and smell like my heavily customized KDE3.5 install, then I'll switch
[19:06] <kb9vqf> a|wen: I personally think that may be a long way off or never ;)
[19:07] <a|wen> kb9vqf: mine starts coming very very close ... just looks better
[20:15] <apachelogger> a|wen: limbo limbing?
[20:16] <apachelogger> a|wen: also, I guess konqueror with preload is the way to go for kubuntu-netbook then
[20:16] <apachelogger> especially once that webkit stuff is $usable or khtml is $uberfast
[20:16] <a|wen> apachelogger: generally konqueror feels pretty snappy on it ... at least compared to firefox
[20:17] <apachelogger> actually, I would be interested how fast firefox is on ubuntu
[20:17]  * a|wen haven't tried ubuntu on it yet
[20:18] <blizzz> Riddell: when can the next meeting be envisaged? we got a potential member
[20:18] <apachelogger> also ... since netbooks ship with SSD it might make sense to do random file touching in order to speed-up app starting
[20:18] <apachelogger> possibly with an init script, IIRC most of the boot time on SSD is spent in the CPU rather than reading the files, so we could do some kdelibs touching to speed-up kdm/login and sutff
[20:20] <a|wen> apachelogger: it gets from grub to kdm in 35 seconds on battery
[20:21] <apachelogger> that is darn slow TBH
[20:21] <apachelogger> my inspiron boots in ~30 seconds
[20:22]  * a|wen goes to fetch a bootchart
[20:24] <apachelogger> 27.45 here ... with stuff like dkms, exim and icecc
[20:25] <a|wen> how was it on intrepid?
[20:25] <apachelogger> no clue
[20:26] <apachelogger> hm
[20:27]  * apachelogger just came to think of ... would touching actually make sense on SSD ... there is no diskseeking anyway
[20:27] <Lure> Riddell: are you in release team and can comment if kipi-plugins bug fix upload would be ok?
[20:28] <Lure> Riddell: it fixes PicasaWeb for apachelogger ;-)
[20:28] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: as long as you read complete blocks there is no gain by moving around stuff
[20:29] <Lure> Riddell: one concern is that crash fix has new message (warning), which breaks freeze
[20:29] <apachelogger> we need to do profiling then :P
[20:29] <apachelogger> why does starting a web browser take 3 seconds?
[20:29] <apachelogger> IMHO the system should start that fast :P
[20:29] <blizzz> +1
[20:31] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://awen.dk/temp/bootchart.tgz booting eeePC 901 (atom N270 1.6 ghz; 1 gb ram; reiserfs) with intrepid i386
[20:32] <Lure> Riddell, apachelogger: proposed debdiff is in your mailbox
[20:34] <apachelogger> a|wen: yeah, the poor CPU is at fault
[20:35]  * Lure confirms that both Riddell and Hobbsee are on ubuntu-release team
[20:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: I am wondering if it is possible to create a static list of drivers to load and just run a new detection if the hardware changed
[20:36] <a|wen> apachelogger: i've heard talking about doing stuff like that; don't know if there is any working framework for it though
[20:37] <apachelogger> need to poke foundations people I suppose
[20:37] <a|wen> apachelogger: but in any case ... how much juice can you expect from a cpu using 5W peak
[20:37] <apachelogger> would make a lot of sense, if I read that chart correctly most of the CPU time is spent in dealing with hardware
[20:38] <apachelogger> a|wen: ah well, all the foundations fault anyway :P
[20:39] <a|wen> hehe
[20:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I doubt parallel printers are implemented yet in s-c-p-k
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> It used to work just fine
[20:40] <Riddell> kb9vqf: mm, you picked a bad week for CD testing, bug fixing in jaunty is distracting me more.  I guess I could just put it on the website anyway, has anyone else tested them?
[20:41] <apachelogger> Lure: where is that error string?
[20:41] <Riddell> blizzz: meetings tend to be when someone gets round to organising them :)  set up a list of times on that site which lets us mark when we're free
[20:42] <kb9vqf> riddell: That's quite understandable.  No one else has tested them, although Daskreech had expressed some interest in doing so
[20:43] <blizzz> Riddell: ok! i pass this to mcas, he organizes all of our meetings :)
[20:44] <kb9vqf> riddell: They are only beta anyway, so maybe someone from the larger community will have more time to test if they are put up on the website now
[20:45] <apachelogger> Lure: ah :D ... that is actually worth thinking about ... is it more userfriendly to just do nothing or to output an error message in english
[20:45] <Lure> apachelogger: I could also do the - just silently ignore clicking Start Upload for now...
[20:45] <Lure> s/the/that
[20:46] <Lure> it may confuse user though
[20:46] <apachelogger> yeah ... not sure if that is better though
[20:46] <apachelogger> Lure: so may english error messages
[20:48] <apachelogger> Lure: actually ... I would think that the upload button is not enabled unless an album is selected
[20:48] <Lure> apachelogger: could be, but still confusing - we might want to auto select first album then
[20:49] <apachelogger> well, if no album has been created?
[20:49] <Lure> apachelogger: I am not sure I want to do such changes w/o maintainer review
[20:49] <apachelogger> big warning message above the album selector?
[20:49] <apachelogger> Lure: yeah, just thinking long-term
[20:49] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:49] <apachelogger> Lure: leave the messages in
[20:50] <Lure> long term I want to merge all import/export plugins to common base
[20:50]  * Lure now knows internals of 4 of them already
[20:50] <apachelogger> the no pics selected is confusing as hell without error message, so could be the english error
[20:50] <apachelogger> _but_ the error exposes a small fraction of users to at least find out what the problem is
[20:50] <Lure> apachelogger: picasa is confusing, as it does not show images, like other plugins
[20:51] <apachelogger> so in general the error is more useful as it exposes information to at least a fraction of users
[20:51] <apachelogger> Lure: picasa is weird in general ;-)
[20:51]  * kb9vqf thinks about putting a KDE3.5 under Jaunty wiki page up
[20:51] <kb9vqf> Is there a specific path structure that is followed on the Kubuntu wiki?
[20:51] <apachelogger> claydoh: pling
[20:52] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: not really
[20:52] <apachelogger> just make sure you use Kubuntu/FooBar
[20:52] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: so Kubuntu/JauntyKDE3.5 would work?
[20:52] <apachelogger> aye
[20:52] <apachelogger> though
[20:53] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: how about Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[20:53] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: I lke that better :)
[20:53]  * apachelogger too :P
[20:59]  * Lure notices I did not sent right debdiff - needs quilt do to kde4.mk :-(((
[20:59]  * Lure really hates kde4.mk assuming quilt is the way to go... :-(
[20:59] <apachelogger> QUILT!
[21:00] <Lure> apachelogger: quit ;-)
[21:00]  * apachelogger needs to visit Riddell at some point and get himself a kilt
[21:00] <Lure> apachelogger: cdbs simple patch system is enough to drop a simple patch in
[21:01] <apachelogger> we don't do simple patches, do we? :P
[21:02]  * a|wen has started liking quilt a lot after actually using it
[21:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: I believe the Sitter tartan is especially pretty
[21:07] <apachelogger> arrr :D
[21:07] <apachelogger> vorian: one still gets karma for l10n uploads
[21:07] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[21:07] <apachelogger> I am right there :P
[21:09] <kb9vqf> Riddell: If you feel like putting the KDE3.5 CD images on the main page, here is a Wiki article to go along with them: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[21:09] <Riddell> I wonder how I get karma for Translations in Rosetta
[21:10] <Riddell> kb9vqf: got a screenshot?
[21:10] <kb9vqf> Riddell: I can grab one....
[21:10]  * kb9vqf starts booting the VM
[21:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: uploading them
[21:12] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: btw, canonical likes to read remix instead of respin AFAIK
[21:13] <kb9vqf> Riddell: OK, fixed :)
[21:13] <apachelogger> oh, late it is
[21:13]  * apachelogger => going bedish
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> and here I am stuck with a pretty much entirely legit 200,000 :P
[21:15]  * JontheEchidna thinks he has 8k translation karma
[21:17] <apachelogger> ^_^
[21:18] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: btw, I like where the KDE 3 stuff is heading
[21:18] <apachelogger> great work
[21:18] <apachelogger> but now really bed ;-)
[21:18] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: Thanks! :)
[21:19] <kb9vqf> hmm....how do I send an image over IRC?
[21:20] <blizzz> kb9vqf: dcc file transfer. in konversation drop the file on the person you want to sent it to. the partner's client needs to support dcc, too.
[21:20] <tsimpson> you'd use DCC and prey no one has a firewall/router
[21:20] <a|wen> kb9vqf: upload to ftp somewhere ... or use an imagebin
[21:21] <kb9vqf> imagebin...that's what I'm looking for!
[21:21]  * kb9vqf only rembered pastebin
[21:21] <tsimpson> !imagebin
[21:22] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Here's a screenshot: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kde3_5_jaunty_livecd.png
[21:22] <a|wen> drag and drop to the pastebin plasmoid takes care of everything :)
[21:22] <kb9vqf> Would it be OK to put a few screenshots in the Wiki page?
[21:23]  * kb9vqf remembers that he has to update the artwork before rc1
[21:23] <Riddell> kb9vqf: yes please do
[21:23] <kb9vqf> OK :-)
[21:28]  * kb9vqf has to run...will finish uploading screenshots later today
[21:38] <Lure> Riddell: do we have space to get kipi-plugins on CD?
[21:39] <Riddell> nope, CDs are full up
[21:39] <Lure> oh, yes, we did not get rid of kde3...
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> plus kipi-plugins brings in libgtk...
[21:40] <Lure> JontheEchidna: really?
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it uses libgpod instead of libgpod-nogtk
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> thought it may actually require libgpod if it's doing image transfers :(
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> s/thought/though
[21:40] <Lure> JontheEchidna: are these two replacable?
[21:41]  * Lure does not have ipod, so no clue?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> almost, unless you need support for artwork transferral
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> which -nogtk can't do at the moment
[21:41]  * smarter waves
[21:42]  * a|wen waves to smarter
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> Lure: ouch, it most definitely requires the gtk version for the thing to work at all
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> (It needs GdkPixbuf)
[21:44] <Lure> JontheEchidna: :(
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> maybe for karmic we could split the package up a bit?
[21:53]  * smarter really thinks that KPackageKit needs to indicate the connection speed, just to be sure that something is actually going on
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> holy *shit*. I almost had a heart attack
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> I log on, and /home is entirely empty
[22:57] <jussi01> hehe
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> luckily I remembered that /home was on a separate partition
[22:57] <jussi01> you have home on a separate partition?
[22:57] <jussi01> heh
[22:58] <jussi01> yeah
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> yes
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> but that begs the question, why wasn't it mounted by default?
[22:58] <tsimpson> jussi01: you *don't*?! ;)
[22:58] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I dont know, but I have had that before
[22:58] <jussi01> tsimpson: shush now
[22:58] <jussi01> :P
[22:59]  * tsimpson needs to clean his $HOME
[22:59] <tsimpson> /dev/sda6              25G   23G  829M  97% /home
[23:00] <tsimpson> I (stupidly) though 25GB would be enough
[23:00] <jussi01> heheh
[23:00] <jussi01> 25G for home? no way...
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> I did a cleaning the other day. I decided my 80 GB windows HDD could be greatly reduced in size after some cleanup, then I moved all of my, ahem, videos over to the new partition
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> now windows takes up <30 GB on that drive
[23:02] <jussi01> see, I have this policy, dont clean, things get lost...
[23:02] <jussi01> :P
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> This was my first reboot after doing those partitioning changes. I wonder if that's related...
[23:02] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna: probably UUID changed
[23:02]  * kb9vqf finished adding some KDE3.5 screenshots to the Wiki
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> really? I didn't really touch sdb at all?
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> er, minus that last ?
[23:03] <tsimpson> hmm, well then it shouldn't
[23:03] <tsimpson> unless strangeness happened
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> how would I check, just to make sure?
[23:03]  * kb9vqf finished adding some KDE3.5 screenshots to the Wiki
[23:03] <tsimpson> run blkid
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> thx
[23:04] <kb9vqf> Riddell: I think I'm ready to go live with the beta, if you agree...
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> That's weird, /etc/fstab is completely and utterly empty
[23:05] <Riddell> kb9vqf: let me put something on the site
[23:05] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Sounds good :)
[23:05] <tsimpson> well, that'd be a reason...
[23:05]  * JontheEchidna wonders how the heck that happened
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> I also now know the wisdom of backing up /etc
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> too bad I didn't :(
[23:10] <Riddell> kb9vqf: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jauntu-kde3-remix-beta
[23:11] <jussi01> is there a reason thats misspelt?
[23:12] <kb9vqf> Riddell: The content looks good, but the link is misspelled
[23:12] <Riddell> doh
[23:12] <kb9vqf> ;)
[23:13] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jaunty-kde3-remix-beta
[23:13] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Do we want to put a link on the beta info page as well, or just on the front page?
[23:14] <Riddell> I'd keep it separate
[23:14] <kb9vqf> OK


[12:21] <porkpie> Hi ...I have tried to install ubuntu server on 2 compaq dl360's so far and they have both failed when detecting cdrom.  Can anyone advise please
[01:34] <toggles> anyone know why `apt-get install mon` fails when it's listed here http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/mon
[02:02] <toggles> ahhh, it's ~x86, i see..
[01:48] <J_P> hi all
[02:08] <studprog> Hi ... i don't know if this is the right channel - but a request in #ubuntu came out silent.... I'm looking for some help about preseeding an Ubuntu Dapper installation ...
[02:09] <studprog> anybody here gurus in debian-installer preseeding syntax
[02:10] <lionelp> Hi studprog
[02:10] <studprog> hi ;-)
[02:10] <lionelp> never tried myself, but there was a good article on the subject here : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394
[02:12] <studprog> lionelp: yep ... i have noticed it -- but debconf-get-selections --installer came out with the following err :debconf: DbDriver "di_questions": could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat
[02:13] <lionelp> studprog: you should sudo debconf-...
[02:13] <studprog> and just running debconf-get-selections just posts all components set with "select"  as option ...
[02:13] <studprog> lionelp: i did
[02:15] <lionelp> strange, it works here...
[02:15] <studprog> the folder /var/log/installer/cdebconf does not exsist ---i think it is removed by the installer afterwards (there was a security issue previously about the fact that the root password was readable in the questions file after installation))
[02:15] <studprog> lionelp: you run dapper ? - or have you upgraded from e.g. breezy
[02:16] <lionelp> dapper
[02:16] <lionelp> I can check on an upgraded breezy
[02:17] <studprog> ok ...thats odd ... i'm running a newly installed dapper - and there is no cdebconf dir ... only 3 files - partman, syslog and version
[02:17] <lionelp> It also works on an upgraded breezy
[02:18] <lionelp> hum... you are right !
[02:18] <lionelp> (it was not a stable dapper when it was installed on my desktop)
[02:18] <studprog> ahh...
[02:19] <studprog> so all i have from the installer files is logging by something called Ubiquity
[02:20] <studprog> anyways ... what i really would like was to have some command in the preseed file that would let me know that the file actually was read..
[02:20] <lionelp> studprog: with Ubiquity, be do not run Debian Installer
[02:20] <lionelp> so...
[02:20] <lionelp> :)
[02:21] <studprog> ??
[02:21] <lionelp> Ubiquity is not debian installer
[02:22] <lionelp> If you want to have preseed from debian installer, i think you should install with the alternate cd (which installs with Debian Installer)
[02:22] <studprog> ahh ... i though Ubiquity was some sort of logger .... so it's an installer ?? .... all pages i've seen state that ubuntu either uses debian-installer syntax or something called Kickstart...
[02:23] <lionelp> yes, it is the new graphical installer run from the desktop-cd
[02:24] <studprog> ok -- but i'm installing via PXE -- and i get the text-based installer ... is that d-i or does ubi* also have a textmode ?
[02:29] <lionelp> d-i
[02:29] <lionelp> ubi is graphical
[02:29] <studprog> ok -- so i should focus on finding the right commands for d-i
[02:30] <lionelp> I am not sure I understand what you mean
[02:44] <studprog> sorry for the delay - a coworker had some questions
[02:45] <studprog> lionelp: well -- i'll go browse the web for some example preseed files (using the d-i syntax) then
[03:44] <screeb> hi !
[03:55] <screeb> I don't have lot of feadback on the idea of packaging e-smith for ubuntu (a web based server managment interface)
[03:56] <screeb> is there anyone interested in this project here? :)
[03:58] <lionelp> Hi screeb
[03:58] <studprog> hmm ... now it seems that i got past the language selection -- but i've also noticed that my preseed file isn't read ... i use the following parameter to invoke the preseed : preseed/url=http://installserver/preseed -- but from the accesslogs i can see that it's never read during install ;-//
[03:59] <lionelp> e-mith is a Linux distribution, I do not understand your will to package. package what ?
[03:59] <lionelp> I may be missing something :)
[04:00] <screeb> I want to package all administration tools of this distribution and adapt to ubuntu
[04:01] <lionelp> screeb: e-smith is now called SME Server by the way :)
[04:01] <screeb> yes
[04:04] <screeb> dont have much time now
[04:04] <screeb> by!
[04:47] <sharms> anyone here know someone who runs security.ubuntu.com that can let them know http is down?
[05:15] <porkpie> Hi ...I have tried to install ubuntu server on 2 compaq dl360's so far and they have both failed when detecting cdrom.  Can anyone advise please
[05:17] <ivoks> hm
[05:18] <porkpie> ivoks:it a bit of a strange problem
[05:18] <ivoks> g3?
[05:18] <porkpie> let me check
[05:19] <porkpie> ivoks:dam I can't tell
[05:20] <ivoks> ok, no prob
[05:20] <ivoks> so, it boots instalation and then doesn't detect CD?
[05:20] <ivoks> cdrom
[05:20] <porkpie> yeah
[05:20] <ivoks> that's SCSI or ATAPI cdrom?
[05:20] <porkpie> scsi
[05:21] <ivoks> ad, i see
[05:21] <ivoks> sec
[05:21] <porkpie> ok
[05:22] <ivoks> support for scsi cdrom is inside module
[05:23] <ivoks> try modprobing sd_mod after boot
[05:23] <ivoks> ctrl+alt+f2
[05:23] <ivoks> modprobe sd_mod
[05:25] <porkpie> OK ..I will try it now
[05:26] <ivoks> can you do it while on IRC?
[05:27] <porkpie> yeah
[05:27] <ivoks> great
[05:34] <porkpie> ivoks:whats the best version of ubuntu to use ?
[05:34] <ivoks> 6.06
[05:35] <porkpie> where can I download it from
[05:35] <ivoks> ubuntu.com/download
[05:38] <porkpie> ivoks:is it the alternate iso
[05:39] <ivoks> it's ubuntu-server iso
[05:39] <ivoks> what processor is that?
[05:40] <ivoks> xeon with em64t?
[05:40] <porkpie> ivoksPIII
[05:40] <ivoks> then http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu-6.06-server-i386.iso
[05:41] <porkpie> OK ...I have that one ...I am just burning a new copy
[05:42] <ivoks> why/
[05:43] <porkpie> ivoks:because I have scratched the other copy
[05:43] <porkpie> nearly done
[05:44] <porkpie> Hi Ries
[05:44] <Ries> never knew there was this channel!!! ppl on #ubuntu didn't tell!!!!
[05:44] <Ries> hey porkpie
[05:44] <porkpie> ivoks:Ries is a big fan of ubuntu
[05:45] <ivoks> ok, but this isn't support channel
[05:45] <porkpie> I know
[05:46] <Ries> ivoks: well... on #ubuntu there are 800 ppl.... 750 are lurking.... and from teh 50 ppl about 1% answers questions about server :)
[05:47] <Ries> I prefere to make this a real ubuntu-server channel :) I had a question yesterday about software raid1, LVM and XFS.... noone could answer :S
[05:47] <Ries> however it works now
[05:52] <porkpie> ivoks:just booting into ubuntu now .....after the kernel has uncompressed....I use ctrl+alt+f2 ?
[05:53] <ivoks> just follow instalation and when it fails, then ctrl+alt+f2
[06:00] <porkpie> ivoks:Hmm! tried the modprobe from the console but it just return to a #prompt
[06:00] <ivoks> that's ok
[06:01] <ivoks> now run dmesg
[06:01] <ivoks> and check if it detected CDROM
[06:03] <porkpie> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[06:03] <ivoks> run lspci
[06:04] <ivoks> and report what SCSI controller you have
[06:05] <porkpie> Hmm! strange no SCSI controller
[06:05] <ivoks> take a better look
[06:06] <ivoks> it wouldn't boot from SCSI cdrom if there's no SCSI controller :)
[06:07] <porkpie> RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53C1510 (rev 02)
[06:07] <nihilocrat> 'lshw | less' might also help
[06:08] <nihilocrat> I find it handy for figuring out what's on my system
[06:08] <ivoks> symbios logic...
[06:08] <ivoks> ok
[06:09] <porkpie> nihilocrat:lshw doesn't work
[06:09] <nihilocrat> Ries: is XFS worth checking out for a LAMP server?
[06:10] <nihilocrat> 'doesn't work' as in it doesn't exist or as in it doesn't tell you anything about the cdrom?
[06:10] <Ries> nihilocrat: I didn't select LAMP from the installation menu...
[06:10] <ivoks> porkpie: try modprobe sym53c8xx
[06:10] <nihilocrat> I didn't either, i'm just saying
[06:10] <ivoks> porkpie: and sym53c416
[06:10] <nihilocrat> A server whose purpose is a LAMP setup
[06:10] <Ries> nihilocrat: I basicly did the partitioning myself for both drives... setup RAID1 on the drives... on one pertition I used EXT3, on teh other LVM and XFS... but it worked from the installer
[06:11] <Ries> nihilocrat: this is going to be a webserver... postgresql, apache, mysql, and that sort of tools..
[06:11] <nihilocrat> exactly
[06:11] <nihilocrat> oh, wait a sec, I think I might have gotten acronyms mixed up
[06:11] <nihilocrat> Yeah, I did, I thought you were talking about ZFS
[06:12] <nihilocrat> Sun's newfangled fs
[06:12] <porkpie> ivoks:I have a flashing cursor at the monent
[06:13] <ivoks> porkpie: how about now?
[06:14] <porkpie> No still flashing
[06:14] <ivoks> that means you are back in comandline or it's working?
[06:16] <Ries> nihilocrat: nope... I never heard of ZFS even :)
[06:16] <nihilocrat> ah
[06:16] <nihilocrat> It's relatively(?) new, and is supposed to be a 'next generation' FS
[06:17] <nihilocrat> Which has an extra layer of abstraction from the hardware which is supposed to make it a lot easier for people (particularly sysadmins) to manage
[06:17] <nihilocrat> I forget the details, I read about it two weeks or so ago
[06:19] <ivoks> gtg
[06:19] <porkpie> ivoks:I had to ctrl+c to get back to #
[06:19] <ivoks> bye all
[06:19] <ivoks> porkpie: check with dmesg what happend
[06:19] <ivoks> i got to go now
[06:19] <nihilocrat> bye
[06:20] <Ries> nihilocrat: Ahhh nice.... I need XFS because it suppose to handle large files better then raiser or ext3....
[06:22] <nihilocrat> I am slowly doing research in more 'enterprise'-oriented server stuff as I'm being handed higher-traffic and higher-uptime services
[06:22] <Ries> nihilocrat: I was doing to same.... hence I picked LVM and XFS
[06:22] <A-Kaser> "higher traffic" aq ?
[06:22] <A-Kaser> as ?
[06:22] <nihilocrat> Well
[06:23] <Ries> currently in a default situation XFS outperforms EXT3 at ease..... 60MB/S for a disk to disk copy.... while EXT3 does about 30-40MB/sec
[06:23] <Ries> LVM can scale nice..... but I never really did work with it on a live server
[06:23] <nihilocrat> We want to move our webserver from Windows Server 2003 to Linux, and we're also running Moodle which is going to go into production in the fall
[06:23] <nihilocrat> Both of these boxes are VMs on a VMWare machine
[06:24] <nihilocrat> I'm the "go to" linux guy after the former "go to" linux guy went off to do higher-paying things
[06:25] <Ries> Ooo.. I am looking into XEN, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[06:25] <Ries> for some of my customer needs....
[06:25] <nihilocrat> I want to use one of the old servers to run Xen and play around with it
[06:25] <nihilocrat> Then maybe put low-traffic stuff on it
[06:26] <Ries> and customers that need ssh......
[06:26] <nihilocrat> As well as a Free/Open/NetBSD install to see what it's like :P
[06:26] <Ries> for freebsd stuff then porkpie knows about it....
[06:26] <nihilocrat> really
[06:26] <nihilocrat> that's cool
[06:26] <Ries> yes.... he runs a couple of freebsd servers....
[06:30] <nihilocrat> I think one of the cooler parts of virtualization is that it lets you run testing servers without requiring more hardware
[06:30] <Ries> that is true
[06:31] <nihilocrat> It makes configuration very modular, so you get the advantages of pizzaboxing without all the waste
[06:33] <A-Kaser> and you can move virtual server from one server to another one
[06:33] <A-Kaser> juste by scp
[06:33] <A-Kaser> so if one of the virtual server become too big
[06:33] <A-Kaser> it's easy to migrate it
[07:32] <Ries> A-Kaser: do you have experiances with xen?
[07:32] <A-Kaser> very few
[07:32] <A-Kaser> more with vserver
[07:37] <A-Kaser> :)
[07:40] <Ries> A-Kaser: this one, right? http://linux-vserver.org/
[07:40] <A-Kaser> yes
[07:44] <Ries> I think I have something to play with.... A-Kaser since you know the two .... what would you currently recommend xen or vserver?
[07:44] <A-Kaser> Xen have more features
[07:45] <A-Kaser> and the network layer is more dedicated to the slave server
[07:45] <A-Kaser> but vserver is very light
[07:45] <A-Kaser> so I think it's not vserver vs xen but do you need SSH access or dedicated network layer
[07:46] <Ries> I didn't read upon them well... I am interested in it to run it....
[07:47] <A-Kaser> in a vserve you cannot change the ip address
[07:47] <A-Kaser> the iptables
[07:48] <A-Kaser> and you cannot change your kernel
[07:50] <Ries> A-Kaser: that means I can't run apache on port 80 on two different vservers, right? But it is a good solution to run postgresql, apache and maby other services in different vservers. Is that a correct conclusion?
[07:50] <A-Kaser> no you can
[07:50] <Ries> (assuming the machine has one interface and no virtual interfaces).
[07:50] <A-Kaser> it's a real virtualazing
[07:51] <A-Kaser> on my workstation I use it to test witch apache1 + php4
[07:51] <A-Kaser> and another vserver to test apache2 + php5
[07:51] <A-Kaser> and another to test jboss on port 80
[07:52] <A-Kaser> each vserver have an simple IP alias
[07:52] <A-Kaser> as you can add with "ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/32 dev eth0"
[07:52] <A-Kaser> you need to configure the master vserver to be sure if you have an apache on it
[07:53] <Ries> Ahhh yeaaa indeed... so each vserver operates on a alias..... I understand...
[07:53] <A-Kaser> it didn't take all the IP alias to it
[07:57] <Ries> got to go home cool and thanks
[07:57] <A-Kaser> bye :)
[07:57] <A-Kaser> drink time )
[07:57] <A-Kaser> :)
[11:51] <terje> hi, in fedora I use 'service iptables stop' to disable my firewall. How is this done in ubuntu?
[11:52] <terje> and in general is there a service management command?
[11:55] <uniq> if you install the package named 'debian-helper-scripts' you get the 'service' command.
[11:55] <uniq> among others.
[11:57] <uniq> terje ^^ (just to trigger hiliting)
[11:58] <terje> sweet, thanks uniq
[11:58] <uniq> you're welcome.
[11:59] <Ries> terje:just use shorewall :)


[02:08] <MetisRebel> hello?
[12:24] <halvors> Will the meeting for Asia/Oceania be here tomorrow?
[12:26] <drubin> halvors: Please read the docs on the wiki. You know it will be here since you asked this yesterday
[12:29] <halvors> OK, i only will be sure. Sorry ;)
[18:16] <halvors> The meeting tomorrow will be 1-2 hours long?
[18:18] <ari-tczew> probably just
[18:46] <halvors> only 1 hour ?
[18:51] <ari-tczew> halvors: why you ask?
[19:42] <halvors> maybe i not will come before  10.30
[19:42] <drubin> halvors: You should be there at the start of the meeting.
[20:35] <halvors> ok
[20:35] <halvors> i will try
[20:35] <halvors> but if i dont so...?
[20:35] <halvors> if i be there 11.30
[20:35] <halvors> 10.30 sry
[20:35] <halvors> so can i dont be a member :(
[20:37] <ari-tczew> halvors: in which meeting are you interested tommorow?
[20:45] <halvors> asia
[20:45] <halvors> meeting
[20:46] <ari-tczew> heh, e.g. I'm interested in DMB Agenda meeting tommorow, 15:00 UTC
[21:03] <zanzibar1982> ciao a tutti!
[21:06] <zanzibar1982> :-Dammazza, si sente l'eco, qui...


[00:41] <lifeless> jbicha: what button ?
[00:42] <stgraber> lifeless: my guess would be that jbicha was talking about the entry that most software have in their Help menu and that opens LP's answer tracker in firefox.
[00:44] <lifeless> jbicha: the target page would look different, I don't see why the button would go away
[00:46] <jbicha> I was thinking the lpi button could point to askubuntu, seeing as how we advertise that in the installer slideshow anyway...
[01:17] <cprofitt> not to speak out of turn, but I notice most people are not posting expected and actual behaviors or steps to reproduce in the bugs
[01:17] <cprofitt> I put in a blueprint about this for UDS-P so we can work to educated folks
[03:54] <sillytones> hello, is there a streamlined way of testing ubuntu with the lastest kernel
[03:54] <sillytones> to see if problems still exist
[10:32] <bil21al> what is the name of pakage in which the keyboard bugs are filed?
[15:37] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: you might want to update the bug reporting guidelines for firefox and thunderbird too
[17:30] <SwitchDK> what should I file a bug against that "resets" the theme in 11.10
[17:31] <SwitchDK> gnome-panel maybe?
[18:02] <SwitchDK> Hello, any BugControl staff on
[18:03] <yofel> yep
[18:03] <SwitchDK> Hi Yofel
[18:03] <SwitchDK> sorry yofel
[18:04] <SwitchDK> I am struggling with a bug report which is a question and for some reason it has been filed against Canonical SSO Provider and Ubuntu. I can't remove the SSO one
[18:04] <SwitchDK> bug 876209
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 876209 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Desktop Icons and Wallpaper Lost/ Disabled with Maverick Meerkat Upgrade in Xubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876209
[18:05] <SwitchDK> yofel: is that something you can change please?
[18:05] <yofel> SwitchDK: yeah, you can't remove Projects. The only thing you can do there is to change it to the 'null' project
[18:05] <SwitchDK> yofel: I wanted to change it to a question but I'm not allowed to due to the different packages that are assigned
[18:05] <yofel> which exists for that reason
[18:05] <SwitchDK> yofel: ok, thanks I will try that
[18:06] <yofel> SwitchDK: after that set the null project task to invalid. then you might be able to convert it
[18:06] <SwitchDK> yofel: actually, do you think I should turn it into a question as I have directed the submitter to the forums and askubuntu.com
[18:08] <yofel> you also mentioned answers.launchpad.net - so why not
[18:08] <SwitchDK> yofel: ok, thanks yofel. much appreciated
[18:09] <SwitchDK> yofel: still can't convert it to a question :( not sure what is wrong
[18:10] <yofel> SwitchDK: invalid - not incomplete
[18:11] <SwitchDK> yofel: ok, sorry, missed that one. The launchpad pages say that I have to use New, Incomplete, Confirmed or Won't Fix (might be a doc bug) https://help.launchpad.net/TurningABugIntoAQuestion
[18:12] <yofel> SwitchDK: that is true for bugs with ONE task. To be able to convert a bug only one bug task is allowed to be 'open' - all others need to be closed
[18:13] <yofel> and Incomplete counts as open
[18:13] <SwitchDK> youfel: aha, it all makes sense now, thanks
[18:13] <SwitchDK> yofel: aha, it all makes sense now, thanks
[18:17] <SwitchDK> sorry yofel I need some more help
[18:17] <SwitchDK> yofel with a different bug
[18:18] <SwitchDK> yofel: I assigned a problem with the sound indicator to unity-2d which apparently is not the correct package, bug 876444
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 876444 in ubuntu "[intel-hda] sound works but sound-indicator claims there is no soundcard (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876444
[18:21] <yofel> can't help there I fear. I'm familiar with neither the sound indicator nor unity
[18:22] <SwitchDK> yofel: ok, thanks, somebody just bounced it so I have no idea what to assign it to
[20:02] <sroecker> do i have to set the patch tag for bug 814911?
[20:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 814911 in arista (Ubuntu) "arista-gtk crashed with GError in setup_source(): Icon 'camera-video' not present in theme (affects: 16) (dups: 13) (heat: 138)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814911
[20:15] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287 unknown user benjamin assigned himself, should one 1) unassign immediately 2) ask first 3) allow for more time ..?
[20:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 574287 in tasksel (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "tasksel: forcefully removes packages when tasks overlap (affects: 9) (dups: 1) (heat: 41)" [Unknown,New]
[20:15] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/878571
[20:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 878571 in boinc (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "boinc-client bad signature for URL (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:30] <hggdh> arand: the user assigned himself with no comments; he does not have a history on this; so unassign & ask to please do not assign self to bugs unless working on resolveing them
[21:31] <hggdh> arand: I already unassigned, will add the comment now
[21:35] <arand> hggdh: Ok, I guessed that but was unsure.
[21:36] <hggdh> arand: thank you for asking -- better to always ask if in doubt
[21:36]  * hggdh adds one more +1 to arand's score
[21:47] <arand> :)