[00:01] <linuxman410> my is a old dell laptop with duct tape holding frame around screen and l bracket holding screen up it has bad hinges
[00:01] <KM0201> lol
[00:02] <KM0201> linuxman410: were you the one here the other night looking for RAM on ebay?
[00:02] <linuxman410> KM0201 i throw nothing away that is still usable
[00:03] <linuxman410> KM0201 that was probably me
[00:04] <KM0201> linuxman410: i know i gave someone a link to some RAM on ebay...
[00:04] <KM0201> cuz they only had lik 128mb
[00:04] <linuxman410> KM0201 i have some ddr2 but nothing that uses it bought at yardsale
[00:04] <KM0201> hmm
[00:04] <KM0201> prolly wasn't you then
[00:05] <linuxman410> KM0201 i have plenty of pc 133 and rambus
[00:05] <KM0201> rambus.. that crap was expensive.
[00:06] <KM0201> and yeah, he was looking for PC133.. only had 128mb and we found 2x512 on Ebay for under $18, including shipping..lol
[00:06] <KM0201> new
[00:06] <linuxman410> KM0201 i have 40 pieces of rambus
[00:06] <KM0201> dang.
[00:07] <linuxman410> KM0201 i have about 50 pieces 133
[00:08] <linuxman410> every time i part out a computer i keep harddrive and ram
[00:08] <KM0201> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing
[00:09] <KM0201> that was all related to RIMMs
[00:09] <linuxman410> wow
[00:11] <linuxman410> KM0201 i have computers for sale on ebay
[00:11] <linuxman410> stuff i do not need
[00:11] <KM0201> linuxman410: yeah, i'm not much of an ebayer
[00:13] <linuxman410> KM0201 i buy and sell computers on there
[00:13] <KM0201> ebay is to much hassle, i don't like it
[00:14] <linuxman410> yeah i know a guy ripped me off now i have to file claim to get  money back
[00:16] <linuxman410> be right back
[00:25] <linuxman410> i am back
[00:25] <KM0201> wb... o/
[00:27] <linuxman410> KM0201 that ram fit this junk dell i upgraded from 512 to a gig of ram
[00:27] <KM0201> well, thats good
[00:28] <linuxman410> KM0201 now i have lubuntu running with gig of ram
[02:06] <micahn> hello
[02:08] <stlsaint> phillw: hey is there somewhere where the channel guidelines are posted that we can reference in the topic?
[02:09] <phillw> stlsaint: the channel guidelines are issued by chanserv?
[02:12] <stlsaint> phillw: i dont know
[02:13] <head_victim> !hi
[02:13] <head_victim> !hi | stlsaint
[02:13] <stlsaint> head_victim: heyo
[02:13] <head_victim> hah sorry, that's deleted
[02:13] <head_victim> It's meant to be channel guidelines
[02:13] <head_victim> !guidelines
[02:14] <phillw> head_victim: who deleted it? :(
[02:14] <head_victim> phillw: no idea I just search the database
[02:14] <head_victim> !factoid
[02:14] <stlsaint> alright lemme try this
[02:15] <Unit193> Might you be looking for !ask ?
[02:16] <stlsaint> W00T DragonEyes
[02:16] <stlsaint> ;lurk
[02:16] <phillw> stlsaint: have you sorted it?
[02:17] <phillw> I'll tell DE to leave..
[02:17] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[02:17] <stlsaint> i just used chanserv its cool ;)
[02:18] <phillw> we each have our preferred methods, i like DE and am allowed him on here for admin stuff :)
[02:19] <stlsaint> yea i like de as well, just saw he wasnt in here at the time so went with CS
[02:21] <phillw> stlsaint: He is not allowed full time on here, #lubuntu is an official channel. you can ask to ;join for admin, but do need to tell him to ;part afterwards.
[02:24] <stlsaint> phillw: aye, gotcha
[02:26] <phillw> stlsaint: you will have seen him on offtopic
[03:02] <trakinas> my sister is gonna test lubuntu this night. lets hope for the best. hehe! I explained a little how to use it, including why apps may crash out of the blue (out of memory) - and that may be happening since we are running from the pendrive.
[03:08] <linuxman410> harddrive failure on duct tape dell
[03:23] <Unit193> trakinas: How much ram does it have?
[03:23] <trakinas> Unit193: 512
[03:24] <trakinas> trakinas: but running from the pendrive + some applications like Chromium/FF puts memory consumption to 400+/-
[03:24] <trakinas> according to top and free
[03:28] <Unit193> Firefox... Not so lightweight. Has she tried it yet?
[03:34] <trakinas> Unit193: not yet. if she think it is too have, I will tell her to use Chromium or Opera.
[03:37] <Unit193> trakinas: Have you taken a look at Arora?
[03:39] <trakinas> Unit193: yep. we are testing ditros before getting one for real.
[03:39] <trakinas> but I don't recall aurora being lighter than lubuntu
[03:39] <trakinas> it seems like they are now using gnome...
[03:41] <Unit193> Arora is a web browser
[03:41] <Unit193> !info arora
[03:41] <trakinas> ops
[03:41] <Unit193> With all the names, it can get mixed up
[03:42] <trakinas> I got confused with: auroraos.org
[03:43] <trakinas> I will have a look! if it has flash and a decent js engine, I think it is ok. I don't recall her using her eeepc for banking stuff (meaning: java)
[03:46] <trakinas> hmmmm... I wonder how much qtlib will consume of diskspace
[03:46] <trakinas> 40mb +/- ?
[03:47] <Unit193> That I don't know
[03:53] <trakinas> thanks
[04:48] <trakinas> gtg! cheers all
[05:04] <KM0201> Unit193: u around?
[05:04] <Unit193> KM0201: Not exactly
[05:04] <KM0201> ah, ok.
[05:04] <KM0201> no worries
[05:04] <Unit193> May as well ask...
[05:04] <KM0201> i'm having a weird problem that will probably take you a bit.. dn't want to keep you
 i changed my icon for Audacious, the same way i did for skype (and it works perfectly... however, after i change mmy icon for audacious.. i can't open the program, i get this in terminal...  http://pastebin.com/TGj7D9gT   if i change the icon back, it works perfectly
[05:05] <KM0201> i posted it earlier.
[05:07] <KM0201> maybe bioterror will be along...
[05:09] <Unit193> I have never used audacious, but you changed the file back or used a backup?
[05:09] <KM0201> Unit193: once i changed it back(and it worked) the other time, i purged audacious and reinstalle dit, and it worked
[05:10] <KM0201> but if i set it to my custom image, thats what i get.
[05:10] <KM0201> i know the path is right, cuz like i said, my skype icon is in that same folder, and when i modified skype.desktop   it works perfectly
[05:16] <bioterror> and how did you change icon? from .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[05:32] <KM0201> bioterror: yup... /usr/share/application/audacious.desktop  edited the icon path, to point at the icon i wanted.. .it works perfect for skype.. audacious, i get that error.
[05:33] <KM0201> bioterror: obviously, the error is saying something, but it is total greek to me
[05:42] <KM0201> bioterror: no ideas?
[06:25] <john_rambo> Running Lubuntu 11.04 ....Just installed gnome-screenshot ....when I press print screen key a screenshot of the entire Desktop gets saved in home ....I want to grab a specific area
[06:27] <KM0201> john_rambo: choose "grab current window"... then set the grab delay for say.. 5-6sec... click take screen shot, then immediately click the window you want to screenshot
[06:27] <KM0201> after a second, youi'll get the image of just that window, then save it
[06:28] <john_rambo> KM0201, "grab current window" but how ? Where ? I dont see those options
[06:28] <KM0201> are you sure you installed gnome-screenshot?
[06:29] <john_rambo> KM0201, when I press print screen key a screenshot of the entire Desktop gets saved in home
[06:29] <KM0201> john_rambo: oh ok.. now i see... go to menu/accessories/take screen shot
[06:29] <KM0201> then you'll ee what i'm talking about
[06:29] <KM0201> (again, assuming you installed gnome-screenshot)
[06:30] <john_rambo> KM0201, Yes, found it ...it wasn't there before installing gnome-screenshot ......Thanks
[06:30] <KM0201> john_rambo: yeah, it's not, unless you install gnome screenshot... np
[06:54] <bioterror> KM0201, not at the moment. I think I have to try myself :D
[06:54] <KM0201> bioterror: lol
[06:54] <KM0201> i'm not really sure whats wrong.. cuz it works fine w/ Skype.. so i know i did it right (the two icons are in the same folder in my home folder)
[06:55] <bioterror> poor john
[06:55] <KM0201> wy poor john?
[06:55] <bioterror> didnt get it that prntscreen is binded in openbox to scrot
[06:55] <KM0201> i was gonna tell him, but he bolted to quick.
[06:56] <bioterror> people are too fast paced nowdays
[06:56] <bioterror> always in a hurry
[06:56] <KM0201> i imagine if one were so inclined, you could change prtsc to point at gnome-screenshot (it's a better screenshot utility anyway)
[06:58] <bioterror> i can guarantee scrot fetches less gnome deps :D
[06:58] <KM0201> oh i'm sure
[07:03] <Unit193> There doesn't happen to have a space in the pic name?
[07:03] <KM0201> Unit193: negative...
[07:03] <KM0201> good thinking though
[07:04] <KM0201> Unit193: actually, the pic originally had a capital A in the title, and i thought maybe that was the prob, so i renamed it to lowercase...
[07:04] <KM0201> Unit193: tried putting the path in quotes
[07:04] <KM0201> its weird.
[07:04] <KM0201> the icon changes, like its supposed to
[07:04] <KM0201> but when i try to open the program, i get the error i pastebinned earlier
[07:08] <Unit193> Is the pic the same formet as skype? (Reaching for the stars here...)
[07:09] <KM0201> Unit193: affirmative
[07:09] <KM0201> both .pngs
[07:09] <KM0201> you know..
[07:09] <KM0201> just for grins
[07:09] <KM0201> i can try changing audacious to the skype png... and see if i still have th eproblem
[07:10] <KM0201> lemme try that real quick
[07:13] <KM0201> Unit193: its gotta be something w/ that png file
[07:13] <KM0201> cuz when i changed to my custom skyp eicon (which i know works, cuz it works w/ skype)... i get the same problem
[07:13] <KM0201> but how on earth could a png image cause that
[07:14] <KM0201> hmm, weird.. audacious for some reason, just doesn't like custom icons.
[07:14] <KM0201> cuz when i change it back to the default icon... it starts working again
[07:15] <bioterror> put that broken image to skype
[07:15] <KM0201> bioterror: ok
[07:15] <bioterror> and does skype work with it
[07:15] <KM0201> checking now..
[07:16] <KM0201> nope, skype started
[07:16] <KM0201> so its something w/ audacious
[07:16] <bioterror> make a bug raport ;)
[07:16] <KM0201> never thought of doing that.. that just confirms it's a problem w/ audacious.
[07:16] <KM0201> lol, i have no idea how on earth i'd explain it...lol
[07:17] <KM0201> i can't believe i actually found a bug, that likely nobody else has figured out.
[07:22] <KM0201> my guess is, bioterror someone would read that bug report and wonder what the heck i was doing, and flush it
[07:23] <KM0201> lol
[07:25] <Unit193> KM0201: Have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs and post the bug # when you are done
[07:28] <KM0201> Unit193: do you think that bug is specifically limited to lxde?
[07:28] <KM0201> i'm guessing it is.
[07:33] <Unit193> I would try it on my Xubuntu, but it's 3:30 and my brain is dead (I should be be getting to sleep as I've been busy)
[07:33] <KM0201> Unit193: i fell asleep earlier, so i'm wide awake
[07:35] <KM0201> Unit193: but sometimes i read launchpad and i think, who on earth would sit around to find a bug that obscure
[07:35] <KM0201> and sure enough, i think i found a pretty obscure one
[07:35] <KM0201> lol
[11:11] <jwerner> Hi, I've got an ASUS EEEPC and I'd like to use the power button to show the shutdown menu
[11:17] <bioterror> really
[11:18] <bioterror> power-manager doesnt work here
[11:18] <bioterror> I have "when power button is pressed: ask"
[11:18] <bioterror> and didnt ask anything
[13:28] <pmatulis> the calendar applet looks like the gnome 'buntu one but has less features (ex: adding other timezones).  normal?
[14:09] <john_rambo> what is causing that black area ? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30630174/lubuntu.png ... When I move the a window over it it goes away
[14:20] <gsus> in my office's computer ocurr the same, but in my home pc not. I think that is the video driver, is the only diference between my pcs.
[14:24] <myrmidette> can anyone walk me through setting up a bluetooth headset?
[14:24] <myrmidette> I just want to use it as an audio sink
[16:24] <kristian-aalborg> greetings
[16:25] <kristian-aalborg> has Lubuntu had probs with PCManFM also?
[16:25] <KM0201> kristian-aalborg: seems to work fine for me.. what probs are you referring to
[16:25] <kristian-aalborg> I've had all kinds of problems with it recently
[16:26] <kristian-aalborg> segfaults, you name it
[16:26] <KM0201> like?.. i've actually had zero issues with it.
[16:26] <kristian-aalborg> yes, me too on Lubuntu
[16:26] <kristian-aalborg> KM0201, what version?
[16:26] <KM0201> kristian-aalborg: of pcman, or of lubuntu?
[16:26] <KM0201> 11.04 on lubuntu
[16:26] <bioterror> !backtrace | kristian-aalborg
[16:26] <kristian-aalborg> and pcman?
[16:26] <KM0201> pcman looks like 0.9.9
[16:27] <kristian-aalborg> hurm
[19:06] <semitones-tea> hey everyone, I've got a problem with my lubuntu install -- it isn't usable at the moment
[19:07] <semitones-tea> here's the backstory: for as long as I remember, before the login screen I'd get an X11 message saying "Xsession: unable to launch "startlxde" session - "startled" not found; falling back to default session."
[19:07] <pmatulis> semitones-tea: take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning
[19:07] <semitones-tea> this weekend we moved the computer from one side of the room to the other. Now after that message shows up, and you click ok, you just get a blank black screen
[19:08] <semitones-tea> switching to a virtual terminal sends the monitor out of its frequency range, and then the computer has to be restarted
[19:08] <pmatulis> semitones-tea: old monitor?
[19:09] <semitones-tea> yes it's a CRT from the 90's but it has always worked
[19:09] <semitones-tea> also, s/startled/startlxde/ in the above error
[19:10] <semitones-tea> the lubuntu that's on there is 10.04
[19:11] <semitones-tea> I booted from a natty live-cd just now, but it dropped me into a terminal screen
[19:12] <pmatulis> semitones-tea: test on a different monitor?  possible?
[19:12] <semitones-tea> unfortunately that's not possible at the moment
[19:15] <pmatulis> semitones-tea: well i don't think bad m/b or p/s or ram can yield such a symptom (with a live cd).  sounds like your monitor can no longer be probed
[19:16] <semitones-tea> how can I start lxde from the commandline?
[19:16] <semitones-tea> i want to see if the live-cd can do what the hdd install cannot
[19:22] <pmatulis> semitones-tea: i guess you'll need an xorg.conf file first
[19:25] <semitones-tea> I found another monitor to test, trying that
[19:29] <semitones-tea> now grub seems to be broken
[19:30] <semitones-tea> "invalid boot drive, insert bootable floppy into drive A:"
[19:36] <semitones-tea> How do you start the gui from cli?
[19:37] <semitones-tea>  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:37] <semitones-tea> argh
 can anyone walk me through setting up a bluetooth headset?
 I just want to use it as an audio sink
[19:39] <bioterror> install blueman or something like that bluez
[19:39] <myrmidette> so far, this works: aplay -D btheadset -f s16_le ~/randomfile.wav
[19:39] <myrmidette> bioterror, that was the first thing I did
[19:40] <myrmidette> thanks for replying btw :)
[19:40] <myrmidette> aplay -l returns only my soundcard
[19:40] <bioterror> I've never used bluetooth as headset
[19:40] <bioterror> I trust in cables
[19:53] <semitones-tea> any idea how to start lubuntu from the commandline?
[19:53] <semitones-tea> on a live cd
[19:53] <bioterror> semitones-tea, startlubuntu
[19:53] <semitones-tea> ty
[19:54] <semitones-tea> bioterror, it exits without doing anything at all
[19:54] <bioterror> does it prompt anything
[19:54] <semitones-tea> no
[19:55] <semitones-tea> just gives me a blank new line
[19:55] <bioterror> check your logs
[19:55] <semitones-tea> it's a live cd
[19:55] <semitones-tea> which logs
[19:55] <bioterror> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:55] <bioterror> for example
[19:57] <semitones-tea> looks like it failed to load nv and is using nouveau
[19:57] <semitones-tea> other than that i don't see any errors
[20:00] <bioterror> nvidia <3
[20:02] <semitones-tea> so there's no hope?
[20:02] <semitones-tea> also which live cd is better, 10.04 or 10.10
[20:02] <bioterror> 11.04
[20:02] <semitones-tea> that's what I'm using now and it sucks
[20:03] <semitones-tea> can't even boot into gui
[20:03] <bioterror> what's your graphics card?
[20:05] <semitones-tea> I forget but it's an agp 4x nvidia one
[20:05] <semitones-tea> it could play Halo but not with very high graphics
[20:08] <bioterror> probably no support for it
[20:08] <bioterror> use VESA ;)
[22:26] <n-iCe> hello
[22:26] <n-iCe> will lubuntu works good in this machine?
[22:26] <n-iCe> Hostname: nice-laptop - OS: Linux 2.6.32-32-generic/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo (1000.000 MHz) - Processes: 161 - Uptime: 12m - Load Average: 0.60 - Memory Usage: 293.55MB/2004.29MB (14.65%) - Disk Usage: 35.30GB/145.96GB (24.19%)
[22:26] <n-iCe> or is it just for slow machines?
[22:26] <bioterror> should run
[22:26] <bioterror> no, it's not just for slow machines
[22:27] <bioterror> it's also for people who wants to have a sleek desktop and use resources for something useful
[22:27] <n-iCe> you use it?
[22:27] <bioterror> my wife uses atm.
[22:27] <n-iCe> I'm gonna try it right now
[22:28] <bioterror> give it a shot!
[22:28] <n-iCe> is there netinstall?
[22:28] <bioterror> you can only win ;)
[22:28] <bioterror> no
[22:28] <bioterror> or yo can take mini.iso
[22:28] <bioterror> and then do sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[22:28] <n-iCe> what is it about
[22:28] <n-iCe> oh
[22:28] <n-iCe> no I will download the whole iso
[22:28] <n-iCe> :)
[22:28] <n-iCe> I'm just going to partiotonate my disk, I want ot save 10GB of files, then I will use the other disk to lubuntu and erase ubuntu
[22:29] <bioterror> hmmm
[22:29] <bioterror> you can turn your ubuntu into lubuntu
[22:29] <bioterror> just install lubuntu-desktop
[22:29] <bioterror> and then
[22:29] <bioterror> !purelxde
[22:29] <n-iCe> but the whole files will be there
[22:29] <n-iCe> o.O
[22:29] <n-iCe> I like clean install I guess
[22:29] <Kurdistan> n-iCe, lubuntu is much faster then ubuntu.
[22:29] <Kurdistan> it is lightweighted also
[22:30] <n-iCe> I did not like ubuntu 11.04 I am in 10.04
[22:30] <n-iCe> But I want something newer kernel/drivers, etc
[22:30] <n-iCe> would lubuntu a good option, aight?
[22:30] <Kurdistan> n-iCe, lubuntu is based on ubuntu.
[22:30] <bioterror> you can run ubuntu 11.04 in gnome 2 mode
[22:30] <Kurdistan> so you will get all the kernel and drivers that are new
[22:30] <Kurdistan> in lubuntu natty
[22:31] <Kurdistan> me myself run ubuntu but have login option on lubuntu :)
[22:31] <Kurdistan> ubuntu 10.10
[22:32] <n-iCe> rebooting to the partitiong thing
[22:32] <n-iCe> thanks! brb
[22:33] <Kurdistan> n-iCe, next release of ubuntu will give users 6 month of updates (closed driver) för there nvidia and I think ati cards also.
[22:36] <n-iCe> damn, the .iso of gparted seems to not be working
[22:36] <n-iCe> the lastest .iso
[22:36] <n-iCe> gets freeze
[22:36] <n-iCe> anyone knows any other good usb partition software?
[22:37] <Kurdistan> are you trying to format your usb?
[22:37] <bioterror> use unetbootin to put your 11.04 lubuntu into your usb, boot it, apt-get gparted and you know the rest
[22:37] <n-iCe> no, I will partition my disk
[22:38] <n-iCe> first, want to save some files in a disk space
[22:38] <Kurdistan> n-iCe, you can partition during the installation.
[22:38] <n-iCe> I need to boot in the partition manager before partition my using disk
[22:38] <n-iCe> yeah, but can I move a folder to the partition space?
[22:38] <Kurdistan> if you have partition before it will be easy
[22:38] <n-iCe> while the installation?
[22:38] <Kurdistan> :) why not move after installation?
[22:39] <n-iCe> because I want to use the whole disk :)
[22:39] <Kurdistan> but yes before you format you can move files from one folder to another
[22:39] <n-iCe> only leave 10GB for my files
[22:41] <Kurdistan> I have 20 gb for / (system partition).
[22:41] <Kurdistan> 2 gb for swap
[22:41] <Kurdistan> and rest for home
[22:43] <n-iCe> I am downloading lubuntu
[22:44] <KM0201> Kurdistan: how much ram does your system have?
[22:45] <Kurdistan> I have 2 gb of ram
[22:45] <KM0201> ic
[22:45] <Kurdistan> :) I normally tweak so I dont use it
[22:45] <Kurdistan> but normally a person should have twice the ram
[22:46] <KM0201> yeah, i only use swap when i'm hibernating/sleeping... so... i always make it double my ram
[22:46] <n-iCe> what's twick
[22:46] <n-iCe> tweak
[22:46] <n-iCe> is it good hibernate?
[22:47] <KM0201> n-iCe: it doesn't bother me, some machines do not wake up like they are supposed to
[22:47] <KM0201> mine are fine
[22:47] <n-iCe> but is it better to completly shut down or not
[22:49] <Kurdistan> KM0201, my suspend work without have swap on :)
[22:50] <KM0201> your lucky
[22:53] <Kurdistan> :) yes I am
[23:20] <n-iCe> lot of forums and sites over the internet tell me to set my wireless interface to rate 5.5M fixed, but seems this slow all, but at least I can surf the web, what can I do to solve it?
[23:31] <KM0201> n-iCe: why do you need to do that?.. i've never made any adjustments like that
[23:31] <KM0201> whast your device?
[23:31] <n-iCe> AWUS036H
[23:32] <KM0201> ..
[23:32] <KM0201> what chipset?
[23:37] <n-iCe> realtek
[23:37] <n-iCe> rtl8187
[23:47] <KM0201> n-iCe: that should workw/o issue i'm pretty sure, i have one ... and it works great, no problems, configuring, etc.
[23:47] <KM0201> plug it in, it works


[10:24] <sbdj> Hi - I was suggested to try here from #ubuntu-bugs - I need to file a bug report with usg, but it can't seem to be done through conventional (apport/launchpad) means. Does anyone know how I might be able to do it?
[10:27] <rbasak> sarnold: ^
[10:37] <ebarretto> sbdj, https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-security-guide
[10:53] <sbdj> Thanks. It seems the bug is actually in the benchmark itself, which is built by Ubuntu Security Guide, so hopefully they can help - although I note the actual benchmarks aren't part of the repo so maybe not...
[11:02] <ebarretto> sbdj, no problem, that's still the place to report bugs in usg or the benchmarks
[11:04] <sbdj> Thanks :)
[11:05] <ebarretto> sbdj, could include which benchmark you are using and the lp bug you mentioned
[11:14] <sbdj> Done :)
[11:14] <ebarretto> sbdj, have you set the variable var_sshd_allow_groups_valid to aad_admins?
[11:18] <sbdj> Well that makes me an idiot then :D
[11:18] <sbdj> If I've missed that, then there's a good chance I've missed other stuff too - have I overlooked some documentation on how to set this up?
[11:19] <ebarretto> sbdj, I actually didn't work on CIS specifically, but I think that rule needs some manual steps. I will need to check the documentation and so on and will let you know in the ticket :)
[11:20] <sbdj> Thanks, appreciated. There doesn't actually seem to be much documentation at all that I can find.
[11:23] <konstruktoid> if you need to update any tests etc, the OpenScap repo is at https://github.com/ComplianceAsCode/content
[11:25] <konstruktoid> and that isn’t really a smooth experience to be honest
[11:25] <sbdj> The benchmarks in that repo are actually slightly different from the USG ones
[11:28] <ebarretto> sbdj, thanks for reporting it
[11:29] <sbdj> No problem, always happy to help out
[11:29] <sbdj> Hopefully it's user error
[11:30] <konstruktoid> "No SCAP content is provided in this repository, but scripts are available in the tools/ directory that assists with copying the SCAP content into place."
[11:30] <konstruktoid> Oh, are there (internal) USG repos?
[11:31] <sbdj> I would guess so - the bottom of my report says "Benchmark built by Ubuntu Security Guide"
[11:32] <sbdj> A previous commit mentions a ComplianceAsCode fork too
[11:33] <konstruktoid> yeah, but i thought USG just parsed and formatted it, eg https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-security-guide/blob/master/tools/extract_rule_yml.py#L19-L22
[11:39] <ebarretto> konstruktoid, sbdj we have a private fork of CaC where we store the things that are still to be upstreamed and we are stuck on a frozen version of CaC as upstream moves faster than what we want for usg
[11:39] <ebarretto> for now only stig is completely upstream
[11:43] <konstruktoid> thanks for the explanation ebarretto
[12:11] <sbdj> ebarretto thanks for the info :)
[12:47] <luis220413> How can I scan my Ubuntu systems for CVEs (including unpatched ones)?
[12:59] <ebarretto> luis220413, you can use OVAL for that: https://ubuntu.com/security/oval  download the com.ubuntu.<release>.cve.oval.xml.bz2 instead
[13:05] <luis220413> ebarretto: Thanks
[13:28] <luis220413> According to the Tracker, CVE-2022-25235 and CVE-2022-25236 are fixed in Focal and my Ubuntu systems have the fixed version. However, the OpenSCAP result in one of those systems lists that I am vulnerable.
[13:29] <luis220413> s/my Ubuntu systems/my Ubuntu systems running Focal/
[13:29] <luis220413> That (x86_64) system is also marked as being affected by CVE-2022-23960, that only affects ARM processors.
[13:32] <ebarretto> luis220413, what is openscap returning? true or false?
[13:32] <luis220413> ebarretto: true for these 3 CVEs
[13:39] <luis220413> Same for CVE-2022-0847, probably because CVEs for linux-hwe-5.15 are not being tracked (I just reported this by email).
[13:39] <luis220413> This one is Dirty Pipe
[13:40] <ebarretto> I'm trying to check here the expat cves
[13:41] <ebarretto> regarding CVE-2022-23960, we don't make distinction on architecture
[13:48] <luis220413> ebarretto: CVE-2022-23960 is another false positive for Linux.
[13:48] <luis220413> Specifically linux-hwe-5.15
[13:50] <ebarretto> luis220413, please don't send emails about things not tracked or about eol release, things will get done when we have the time. Just bear with us please. Kernel CVEs will be tracked by the kernel team, they have their own process for it
[14:02] <ebarretto> luis220413, can you run your oscap again like the following: oscap oval eval --report report.html --results result.xml --verbose INFO --verbose-log-file log.txt com.ubuntu.focal.cve.oval.xml    It is probably returning true for some other package you have installed
[14:03] <luis220413> ebarretto: What should I tell you about the run?
[14:04] <ebarretto> luis220413, can you send me the generated reports by email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[14:05] <luis220413> That is, report.html, result.xml and log.txt?
[14:05] <luis220413> ebarretto: ^
[14:06] <ebarretto> luis220413, yes, please
[14:12] <luis220413> The attachments are 160 MB combined and the largest is 100 MB. Does your email accept this?
[14:12] <luis220413> ebarretto: ^
[14:13] <luis220413> I have not sent you the email yet due to the size of the generated reports.
[14:14] <ebarretto> ouch, /me forgot how big oval files can be
[14:14] <ebarretto> luis220413, I will walk you through what you should search in your result.xml if possible
[14:14] <ebarretto> it will be easier
[14:14] <luis220413> ebarretto: Thanks!
[14:16] <ebarretto> luis220413, in the result.xml search for:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000  ... this is the CVE ID in the file, you should find it twice, the first one is the oval definition itself, the second one is what I'm looking for, if you could copy and paste that second definition. It will have results like true and false
[14:27] <luis220413> ebarretto: https://paste.gnome.org/0z5hKlpcE
[14:30] <ebarretto> luis220413, thanks! as I suspected, it is returning true for two packages: firefox and thunderbird, you can verify that by checking the first definition of<PHONE_NUMBER>000000, what the ids returning true<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 and<PHONE_NUMBER>000070) are defined there
[14:31] <ebarretto> luis220413, and indeed firefox and thunderbird were not patched still for focal
[14:33] <ebarretto> luis220413, the CVE OVAL is really noisy in that sense, as it will check a lot of things, and the reason why we usually push for usn based oval, as most people want to see what fixes they are missing. So you need to be careful and look through the logs to figure out if you are indeed affected or which package specifically is not yet patched. It might even be that it is a mistake on our side (in the tracker or in the oval file)
[15:32] <luis220413> ebarretto: I want (and package) fixes not only from Ubuntu, but from upstream projects, Debian and (possibly but rarely) other sources, as not all CVEs (primarily in Universe but also in Main) are unpatched in Ubuntu.
[15:35] <luis220413> Edit: I want to see (and package) missing fixes not only from Ubuntu, but from upstream projects, Debian and (possibly but rarely) other sources, as not all CVEs (primarily in Universe but also in Main) are unpatched in Ubuntu.
[15:37] <ebarretto> luis220413, cve oval that you are using is the way to go ... or some other vulnerability scanner, there are plenty in the market
[15:41] <ebarretto> luis220413, I appreciate you interest on helping Ubuntu, but keep in mind the patching vs packaging new versions. Patching is always more welcome than new package version as our goal is to be a stable OS
[15:41] <ebarretto> safe and stable OS
[15:50] <luis220413> ebarretto: How can I get the OVAL report to list the affected packages for each CVE'
[15:51] <luis220413> s/'/?/
[15:55] <ebarretto> luis220413, I think you would need to write some script to parse the result.xml or maybe there's some vuln scanner out there that does that for you. Maybe someone here has a better advice
[19:28] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, hope you're doing well!  I'm looking to write some automation that will report on what security updates are available for packages in our internal apt repos. OpenSCAP is very focused on host-level reporting, and I haven't found any decent OVAL parsing libraries to roll my own.  Is there any structured data about Ubuntu security updates other than OVAL?
[19:29] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: apt? Probably that's not what you mean, but in that case, what would you be missing exactly?
[19:29] <Odd_Bloke> I'd like to know what is being addressed, in terms of CVE/USN, ideally.
[19:29] <sarnold> heya Odd_Bloke :) good to see you
[19:29] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree maybe? But that might be fun to parse.
[19:30] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: one of our oval sources assumes a list of installed packages in a 'manifest' file, that might be one approach
[19:30] <rbasak> Specifically https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/active
[19:31] <sarnold> that git repo is another, but anonymous access to it can be very iffy because it's also used as a datasource for this kind of use, and those folks clone or upgrade or whatever way too often ..
[19:40] <Odd_Bloke> sarnold: That manifest approach sounds promising: how does that work?
[19:42] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: Thanks for the pointer to the git repo!  That's the sort of thing I was hoping for (though agreed on the parsing looking like Fun, haha).
[19:42] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: grab the "OCI image" version of the oval from https://ubuntu.com/security/oval  and feed in a manifest like https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/focal/release/ubuntu-20.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.manifest .. I wouldn't be surprised if we've got a handy dpkg-query command laying around somewhere
[19:44] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: oh, apparently it's got more sharp edges to it than I thought, https://github.com/canonical/sec-cvescan/issues/61  -- maybe best to do some dpkg -l | awk things instead :(
[19:45] <sarnold> (that's a different tool, one I recommend ignoring, but the discussion seems relevant to building the manifest)
[19:45] <Odd_Bloke> Aha, excellent, that's definitely a promising direction: that's `dpkg-query -W` output (though I think I'll need to generate it myself, as I'm querying apt for the package-versions, not dpkg).
[19:46] <Odd_Bloke> It sounds like generating a "manifest" containing the latest version of every package in our repos should do the trick (and, ofc, I don't need to worry about uninstalled packages etc.).
[19:48] <sarnold> yeah
[19:48] <Odd_Bloke> The other thing I was going to mention, BTW, is https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?q=&package=&priority=&version=focal&status= has 504'd for me every time I've tried to use it today.  I don't particularly need it (certainly not after this assistance), but FYI.
[19:49] <sarnold> argh :(
[19:49] <sarnold> thanks
[19:52] <Odd_Bloke> Thank you both for all the help!
[20:14] <Odd_Bloke> Hacked something together which works! \o/
[20:29] <sarnold> woot!
[20:31] <luis220413> sarnold: Can you come to #ubuntu-motu to discuss a security update for Tor?
[20:35] <sarnold> omg there's *more* irc channels I'm not already in? I didn't thikn it possible


[01:20] <jose> marcoceppi: around?
[05:51] <jamespage_> lazyPower, designated: I do have a plan to work on that this cycle - we had some work done for a customer to enable this but I was not happy it was up for general use.
[05:52] <jamespage_> I have a proposed reference network topology and approach - basically you would be able to specify which network is used for each type:
[05:52] <jamespage_> admin-network: <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[05:52] <jamespage_> for example
[05:52] <jamespage_> and the charm will figure out which configured network interface should be used for internal/admin traffic
[05:53] <jamespage_> there is already stuff in charm-helpers to discover network interfaces by cidr
[05:53] <jamespage_> I think its still up to MAAS/juju to actually configure the nics... the charms will not do that
[06:44] <Mosibi> designated lazyPower jamespage :: that's functionality we also like to have in the openstack charms. We are working with the openstack charms and for example we have a VLAN interface where we want the tenant/neutron traffic to go/flow over
[06:45] <Mosibi> Besides that, in our previous (pre-juju) deployment, we used vlan for the tenant networks. We would love to have that possibility in the charms.
[06:47] <Mosibi> As i mentioned yesterday on this channel, a colleage started working on the charms (for some other things we need) and when he has working code, he will submit it
[06:48] <jamespage> Mosibi, sounds good - I have a design in mind for a reference network architecture based on best practices I've seen
[06:49] <jamespage> Mosibi, once I have a little more polished I'll circulate it
[06:49] <jamespage> Mosibi, juju + MAAS are due to grow first class support for managing network connectivity which will help alot
[06:50] <jamespage> Mosibi, configuring the charms themselves is not actually that hard - the work done before was implemented on a deployment with bonded 10G nics, with traffic separation via VLAN
[10:52] <stub> Freshly bootstrapped local provider with 1.18.4, I get a happy machine 0, status etc. working. But I can't deploy a service. The new machine just hangs 'pending', and there are no logs.
[10:53] <stub> Any hints on diagnosing this further?
[10:53] <stub> The jujud process is regularly kicking in chewing a little CPU, but no idea what it is doing.
[10:59] <stub> Looks like the machine is created, but ssh is failing. All my keys being refused, including ~/.juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa
[11:45] <stub> machine-0: no kvm containers possible ?
[12:21] <stub> So for those reading along at home, ufw had been enabled and my lxc stuff on 10.0.3.* was unable to talk to my main lxc IP, including the log messages.
[12:50] <lazyPower> jamespage: thats awesome to hear. Thank you for the follow up
[12:51] <lazyPower> stub: ah, good catch. I haven't heard of any UFW based issues in a bit. Looks like its back to haunting around and stirring up trouble.
[13:04] <lazyPower> stub: did you see jorge's fix for rsyslog-forwarder? https://code.launchpad.net/~niedbalski/charms/precise/rsyslog-forwarder/lp-1323627/+merge/221903
[13:05] <stub> yeah. I was copying from the charm, as it seemed to be the only place the syslog interface was documented
[13:07] <stub> I'd review it but I have no idea what the double @@ or lack thereof would do
[13:08] <lazyPower> stub: i'm looking at it myself - it appears to just change the port on the destination
[13:08] <lazyPower> from 10514 to 514
[13:11] <lazyPower> niedbalski_: any light wrt the @@ in the config change proposed for rsyslog-forwarder?
[13:32] <stub> lazyPower: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ufw/+bug/573461 , fixed in utopic but trouble for me
[13:32] <_mup_> Bug #573461: UFW blocks libvirt bridged traffic <amd64> <apport-bug> <lucid> <ufw (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/573461>
[13:33] <lazyPower> bizarre. Apparently I'm running the devel release
[13:33] <lazyPower> i thought i was on 1.18.4, nope. 1.19.3
[13:34] <niedbalski__> lazyPower, ,@host is udp, @@host is TCP, now by default is forwarding to UDP  (ref: http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_examples.html)
[13:34] <lazyPower> ahhhhh ok.
[13:38] <stub> I knew that.
[14:41] <lazyPower> stub: haha :)
[14:42] <lazyPower> that's amusing. I got bit by that earlier today too. knowing something but not knowing it.
[14:44] <khuss> i am installing havana openstack on Ubuntu 12.04 using juju. How do I find the compatible ceph version
[15:14] <khuss> does a juju charm install the actual package or is it done outside the charm?
[15:17] <lazyPower> khuss: the charm is responsible for installing any packages required to run the service.
[15:18] <khuss> lazyPower:  the cs:precise/ceph is installing the very old version of ceph..
[15:19] <khuss> lazyPower:  the charm is the latest though... i;m wondering how to upgrade the ceph itself
[15:19] <khuss> lazyPower: the readme doesn;t say what version of the ceph is installed by this charm
[15:19] <lazyPower> khuss: it may be prudent to open a bug against the precise ceph charm to have the ceph version updated.
[15:19] <lazyPower> I know the openstack charmers are really responsive on the bug tracker.
[15:20] <khuss> lazyPower: is there a way to manually update the ceph version
[15:21] <lazyPower> khuss: it's recommended that you use the charm to perform any upgrades, to keep support consistent. If a newer version of ceph breaks the charm functionality, teh charm itself would need to be upgraded. I'm not that familiar with ceph, so its hard for me to say what the implications are with just cowboying an update.
[15:21] <khuss> lazyPower: are you aware about any irc channel for juju openstack charms
[15:24] <lazyPower> khuss: they are in #juju
[15:24] <khuss> lazyPower: if I can find them :)
[15:26] <lazyPower> niedbalski_: approved LP221903
[15:39] <elarson> would a charm be the correct unit to release an app? I say "app" in the sense that "services" deployed with juju might be mongo or hadoop where as the "app" would be an application that is used by the organization and is their code.
[15:40]  * elarson is just starting with juju and trying to understand where it fits
[15:44] <khuss> lazyPower: i've a charm in a weird state. there are no machines associated it with. juju destroy-service doesn't remove it so I'm not able to deploy the new charm. here is the output from juju status: ceph:     charm: cs:precise/ceph-26     exposed: false     life: dying     relations:       client:       - glance
[15:55] <lazyPower> khuss: is there a dependent service that's related to ceph in an error state?
[15:55] <lazyPower> if hook relations fail, the charm will be stuck in a dying state pending you resolving them.
[16:00] <khuss> lazyPower: well there is a broken relationship but it is almost like a deadlock. Both services can't be killed
[16:01] <lazyPower> khuss: have tried resolving on the service its related to?
[16:01] <lazyPower> juju resolved service/#
[16:01] <lazyPower> thats kind of risky if you're in ap roduction setup - as it may leave behind some traces that the charms departed hook performs. YMMV if you go this route.
[16:01] <lazyPower> it would probably be better to debug-hooks into the service and re-execute the hook to determine why its failing if its a production system.
[16:04] <khuss> lazyPower: i tried resloved but it didn't work.. may be I will do juju destroy-environment and start all over
[16:32] <designated> jamespage, That sounds awesome.  You have already figured it all out or you'll be working on it?  I'm interested in whatever information you can provide.
[16:34] <themonk> i am facing a problem with config-changed and relation-chabged, problem in i have a template in this template a variable is ip, this ip is dependent on relation-changed, when relation happen it comes from other service, but that template has other variable which are comes from config.yaml so if i change config after relation-changed ip will change to default 'localhost' and relation will bw broken, how do i fix this?
[16:35] <themonk> lazyPower: hi
[16:36] <themonk> marcoceppi: hi
[16:44] <lazyPower> themonk: you need to set some kind of a sentinel value, like touch $CHARM_DIR/relation-lock, and check for the presence of that sentinel to determine of the value should be updated.
[16:45] <lazyPower> thats one method, but this makes me pause to ask "Why are you exposing a configuration value that comes from a third party? Shouldn't this by definition be opinionated in the point its nto exposed to the user and only updated via relationship?.
[16:48] <themonk> lazyPower: my problem is elation related variables and config related variables both are in same config file template :( i cant change it
[16:49] <themonk> lazyPower: about the sentinel value method, in this way after relation happen, i cant change config values ryt
[16:51] <lazyPower> themonk: you're giving me a catch 22 that your config variable is overriding the incoming value from a remote service. You either need to unexpose teh configuration variable, or change the relationship variable. it's 'OK' to be opinionated in charm development.
[16:51] <lazyPower> we encourage it, as its spoon feeding the end user best practices with their deployments.
[16:52] <lazyPower> but without further context, i cant comment - if you have a branch to look at i'll be more than happy to review whats happening and make a proper suggestion.
[16:53] <james_w`> themonk: I think you need to store the relation variables in a file in relation-changed
[16:53] <james_w`> and then generate the template using that file and the config values
[16:54] <james_w`> and you can do that from both relation-changed and config-changed, and they both have all the values that they need
[16:54] <james_w`> unless you are talking about the relation value being for the same thing as one of the config values
[16:55] <james_w`> in which case it will be more work to get the behaviour you want
[16:55] <themonk> lazyPower: i cant show my code right now :(
[16:58] <themonk> james_w`: i concidered this option too like make a json file :)
[16:58] <Egoist> Hello
[16:59] <Egoist> i have a question, where is store information what hook is executed after start hook?
[17:04] <lazyPower> Egoist: depends on the next action that is triggered.  The typical hook flow during deployment:  install => config-changed => start -- afterwords, its dependent on the action that is taken. It could be any *-relation-joined, config-changed, or upgrade-charm hooks that are fired.
[17:04] <lazyPower> or stop, if the service is destroyed.
[17:09] <Egoist> is there any imformation stored about what happend when you deploy more than 1 instance?
[17:09] <Egoist> i mean something like this:
[17:09] <Egoist> juju deploy mysql -n 3
[17:10] <lazyPower> Egoist: after the traditional deployment hook sequence is executed, the peer-relationship hook will be triggered on all 3 instances.
[17:11] <Egoist> is it possible to make changes in peer-relationship?
[17:11] <lazyPower> can you refine that a bit more? as 'make changes' is kind of open and broad, and could mean many things.
[17:14] <Egoist> i don't want to make relationship beetween this mysql instances that I mentioned earlier
[17:14] <Egoist> I just want to have 3 separate instance
[17:15] <lazyPower> Egoist: to that end, it would be better to deploy them as juju deploy mysql "alias"
[17:15] <lazyPower> they then become independent service units, without a peering relationship.
[17:16] <Egoist> ok, i get it
[17:16] <lazyPower> and can be independently scaled/managed
[17:16] <Egoist> may I ask one more question
[17:16] <lazyPower> sure
[17:17] <Egoist> why juju sometimes don't have relation in list, even if relation-set was executed? Is it possible that relation-set is return false because few instances try to executed this command in the same time?
[17:20] <lazyPower> Egoist: do you have an example? i'm not sure what you're saying.
[17:20] <lazyPower> s/saying/asking/
[17:24] <Egoist> when i want to try make a relation beetwen two instance, and each instance execute relation-get and it's return nothing
[17:29] <gQuigs> I'm just curious and couldn't find backstory on the decision to move from lp to github, anyone know where it took place?
[17:29] <marcoceppi> gQuigs: for juju-core?
[17:30] <gQuigs> marcoceppi: yup
[17:30] <lazyPower> Egoist: relation-get returning nothing means it wasn't set on the other side. During which hook is this call being executed? It should be the relationship-changed hook and not the joined, as joined is pre-setup work like archiving an existing database provider or installing pre-req packages.
[17:30] <marcoceppi> gQuigs: it's been decided for a few months. Discussion would have happened on juju-dev mailing list
[17:31] <gQuigs> marcoceppi: yea, I've been looking over the mailing list... went back to oct 2013
[17:32] <Egoist> ohh, ok, i get it. Thank you very much
[17:32] <Egoist> :_
[17:32] <Egoist> :)
[17:32] <marcoceppi> gQuigs: ask in #juju-dev they should be able to enlighten
[17:32] <gQuigs> marcoceppi: ok, thanks!
[17:38] <jcastro> ... and all my stuff is stuck on pending today
[17:41] <lazyPower> jcastro: stub ran into an issue last night with UFW blocking his deployments.
[17:41] <lazyPower> have you disabled UFW to validate that's not the over-arching issue? his was specific to 1.18.4 i believe, as i'm on 1.19.x and haven't seen teh same behavior.
[17:41] <jcastro> my ufw is off
[17:42] <khuss> lazyPower: I've filed a bug regarding the ceph issue we are seeing - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1326466
[17:42] <_mup_> Bug #1326466: Openstack install failing because of outdated Ceph charm? <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1326466>
[17:43] <lazyPower> khuss: brilliant. thanks for the bug report!
[17:43] <lazyPower> jcastro: boo :(
[17:55] <ahasenack> $ charm get ntp
[17:55] <ahasenack> (...)
[17:55] <ahasenack> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[17:55] <ahasenack> really, no anonymous charm get?
[17:59] <jcastro> git clone https://github.com/charms/ntp.git
[17:59] <jcastro> :)
[17:59] <jcastro> ahasenack, that sucks though, can you file a bug on charm-tools?
[18:00] <ahasenack> ok
[18:02] <ahasenack> jcastro: I would need the ntp charm to be available on trusty, what are the steps to get that done?
[18:03] <jcastro> ahasenack, currently, ask marcoceppi to push it to trusty
[18:04] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: hi, are you in a position to do that? ^^^
[18:05] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: have you tested it on trusty?
[18:06] <ahasenack> about to
[18:06] <ahasenack> hitting issues with charm get, and now a overzealous firewall that doesn't allow connections to bazaar.lp.net
[18:07] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: I can give both (ntp and ntpmaster) a shot and report back, then you can promote them to trusty if no blockers are found? Is that more or less the procedure?
[18:07] <marcoceppi> writing tests for it is the fastest way to get it in to trusty
[18:07] <ahasenack> oh, that
[18:07]  * marcoceppi looks at the charm
[18:09] <ahasenack> I'd say it's a bit lacking in the unit test area
[18:28] <jcastro> ahasenack, yeah that's why we haven't mass-moved the charm store to trusty
[18:28] <ahasenack> still, it says "recommended" in the charm store ;)
[18:30] <jcastro> precise is recommended
[18:34] <nooky> Hello, I've a question about the Bundle import using charms that are local, when I try to import the bundle I'm getting errors on invalid configs. For example: An error occurred while deploying the bundle: Invalid config charm precise/true-node-app-1 app_url=https://github.com/zarffg/prototype Invalid config charm precise/true-node-app-1 app_name=prototype Invalid config charm precise/true-node-app-1 app_port=3000
[19:22] <jcastro> nooky, can you pastebin your bundle somewhere?
[19:23] <nooky> jcastro: yes, wait a minute
[19:30] <nooky> jcastro: http://pastebin.com/PPAdNe8P
[19:32] <jcastro> I have  " " around my charm: local/blah stuff
[19:33] <jcastro> I don't think that's your problem though
[19:33] <jcastro> marcoceppi, ideas? ^
[19:33] <nooky> jcastro: yes, I've tried with double quotes around the charm definition, but isn't working
[19:33] <rick_h_> nooky: what is 'bundle import'? How are you importing?
[19:34] <nooky> rick_h_: via juju gui
[19:34] <rick_h_> nooky: the gui doesn't support deploying bundles with local charms currently
[19:34] <nooky> oh
[19:35] <nooky> rick_h_: juju deployer ?
[19:35] <nooky> or quickstart ?
[19:35] <rick_h_> nooky: yep
[19:35] <nooky> fine
[19:35] <nooky> let me check
[19:35] <rick_h_> sorry, juju has an issue we need to correct for that to work properly from the GUI at the moment
[19:52] <nooky> rick_h_: I've tried to deploy via juju-deployer and didn't work, the errors are the same that importing using juju-gui
[19:53] <rick_h_> nooky: ok, well at least now have an idea that it's something that will work once the issue is worked out.
[19:53] <nooky> rick_h_:  i need to use double quotes to charm and options definition?
[19:55] <rick_h_> nooky: can try it. Not sure. It fussed about all three config options. Stuff like port shouldn't need the quotes, but it complained about that as well.
[19:56] <rick_h_> does those cross refence to the charm itself exactly?
[19:57] <nooky> rick_h_: look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1297940
[19:57] <_mup_> Bug #1297940: deployer does not support a local: prefixed charm url.  <api> <charms> <state-server> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-deployer:Confirmed for hatch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297940>
[20:00] <hazmat> nooky, its a different syntax
[20:01] <hazmat> nooky, that deployer file you pasted is wrong in a few ways
[20:01] <hazmat> nooky, s/charm: local:precise/true-varnish-0/charm: true-varnish
[20:01] <hazmat> you can also point to github repos as the charm branch
[20:03] <nooky> hazmat: ok, thanks, I'll try to replace the charm definition in the bundle file
[20:03] <hazmat> nooky, charm: <charm_name> should do the trick
[20:03] <nooky> great
[20:08] <nooky> hazmat: using the way charm: <charm_name>, I'm getting  this error, 2014-06-04 20:06:58 Invalid charm specification true-varnish
[20:16] <nooky> hazmat: Is possible that the errors are because I'm using a new environment and not the environment where I've exported the Bundle?
[20:17] <hazmat> nooky, well with local charms you have to access to them... locally there not in the bundle
[20:17] <hazmat> gui exports of local charms are not functional
[20:18] <hazmat> nooky, i'd also toss a series: precise  right under envExport
[20:19] <hazmat> you can specify branch: https://github.com/name/repo.git for the charms to pull them straight from vcs
[20:19] <nooky> hazmat: ok ok
[20:20] <nooky> so, can  i define in this way? charm:  https://github.com/name/repo.git
[20:21] <marcoceppi> nooky: not quite
[20:21] <marcoceppi> you would have to change charm to branch
[20:21] <nooky> marcoceppi: ok, thanks
[20:41]  * hazmat signs off
[21:03] <l1l> a mysql charm that sets up blank databases with no tables


[02:00]  * thumper shudders as he builds 1.25 for some testing
[04:51] <thumper> babbageclunk: next one https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8573
[04:51] <thumper> wallyworld: or you could... ^^
[04:51]  * thumper goes to make a coffee
[04:51] <babbageclunk> yeah, share the love!
[04:51]  * wallyworld gets coffee and then looks
[04:51] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: actually, wanna chat briefly?
[04:52] <wallyworld> i hear you've living the dream
[04:55] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yes please!
[04:55] <babbageclunk> in standup?
[05:00] <babbageclunk> so lonely
[05:03] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: actually I dropped out because it screws up the timing in the test
[06:06] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: thumper: PTAL   https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8574
[06:13] <babbageclunk> thumper: ok it gets weirder - it's not the manifolds, because they're never called (jujuconnsuite runs a minimal set of workers, but it doesn't run a dep engine). So it's actually something that gets imported by the worker/raft package (or worker/raft/rafttest)
[06:13] <babbageclunk> on the way to working it out now.
[06:14] <anastasiamac> thumper: also https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8575 for deprecation on the flag
[06:16] <thumper> babbageclunk: that's weird
[06:17] <thumper> anastasiamac: check failed for first PR
[06:17] <anastasiamac> thumper: yes, looking
[06:18] <anastasiamac> thumper: but doubt it's me - i changed only tests, and that should not have effected featuretets pkg at all.. mayb intermittent...
[06:19] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: oh sorry, missed ping
[06:19] <thumper> wallyworld: I also updated presence PR
[06:20] <wallyworld> looking. stupid quassel doesn't beep at me anymore
[06:22] <thumper> wallyworld: my quassel is struggling to beep too
[06:22] <wallyworld> yeah, so i miss a lot of pings :-(
[06:22] <wallyworld> especially when i'm knee deep in code etc
[06:22] <thumper> why aren't you neck deep?
[06:22] <thumper> what is wrong with you?
[06:23] <thumper> wallyworld: I haven't squished commits yet so you can review the changes more easily
[06:23] <thumper> wallyworld: I'll squish before getting the bot to merge
[06:23] <wallyworld> ty
[06:24] <wallyworld> i need to start doing that too
[06:24] <thumper> I'm done for the day
[06:25] <wallyworld> thumper: lgtm but from diff it appears there could be some newlines between methods in interface missing
[06:25] <thumper> wallyworld: I've not got newlines between every call
[06:25] <thumper> as I've grouped them
[06:26] <thumper> do we really need newlines?
[06:26] <wallyworld> i think that's the expected way to do it
[06:27] <wallyworld> IIANM
[06:27] <wallyworld> YMMV
[06:27] <thumper> FFS
[06:27] <thumper> fine
[06:29] <thumper> wallyworld: some blank lines just for you
[06:29] <wallyworld> \o/ ty, still lgtm, land that sucker
[06:30] <thumper> you didn't approve
[06:30] <thumper> oh, I see you did earlier
[06:30] <thumper> thanks
[06:30] <wallyworld> np
[06:31]  * thumper squishes and pushes
[06:31] <thumper> oh no!!!
[06:31] <thumper> I had a mouthful of coffee left in my cup
[06:31] <thumper> and it is now cold
[06:31] <thumper> :(
[09:16] <manadart> jam: As mentioned.
[09:16] <manadart> PR for supplying image metadata url and stream to containers: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8578
[10:16] <jam> manadart: reviewed
[10:19] <manadart> jam: Ta.
[11:19] <jam> manadart: I think I figured out why you can't use TearDownTest with gomock
[11:20] <jam> the gc.C that is passed into TearDownTest is not the same object as the one passed into SetUpTest
[11:20] <jam> manadart: and you probably can't assume it is the same as the one during the test itself. :(
[11:23] <jam> manadart: I'm not positive about it. but if I just put a "c.Fail" in TearDownTest then I at least get "test fixture has paniced"
[11:23] <jam> which would at least 'fail' the test
[11:24] <jam> manadart: I *definitely* see that the object passed into SetUpTest is not the same object as passed into the Test itself.
[11:25] <jam> manadart: interestingly, if the test itself fails an assertion *during* the test, then it will report whatever the SetUpTest object got as failure messages
[11:25] <jam> but it can't fail on its own during TearDown. I'm a bit surprised at that, but it is what I'm seeing :(
[11:25] <manadart> jam: That explains the behaviour I saw when testing it. If I panic'd the test I could see some of the satisfied/unsatisfied calls reporting, but not when running finish in teardown.
[11:28] <manadart> jam: One option might be to write a TestReporter implementation, instantiate as a member of the suite in SetupTest, pass it to MockController. Then in TeardownTest we always know what we are getting and can Finish.
[11:29] <jam> manadart: well potentially a TestReporter that is a thunk, and then you call "SetThunk" in each place. but I don't think it would really give the behavior you want
[11:29] <jam> manadart: specifically, failures in assertions will get "Fixture has paniced()" rather than just treating it as a failed test.
[11:30] <manadart> jam: Yes I thought "oh, but wait" after I typed that :)
[12:33] <jam> balloons: can you hear me?
[22:10] <babbageclunk> thumper or wallyworld: could you please review this? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8571 Sorted out that weird failure.
[22:10] <thumper> babbageclunk: ack
[22:10] <thumper> babbageclunk: what was it?
[22:10] <wallyworld> sure soon, otp for a bit
[22:10] <babbageclunk> thanks!
[22:11] <thumper> babbageclunk: what is your response to jam's question?
[22:12] <babbageclunk> It was the import thing - importing the FSM from rafttest meant that some test fixture stuff came in too, and something in that lot did (something I'm not sure what) at package init time that meant that the hook commands ran slower.
[22:12] <babbageclunk> Would have been easier to find if golang allowed unused imports I think.
[22:12] <babbageclunk> thumper: not sure - need to think about it more carefully.
[22:13] <thumper> babbageclunk: so the fix was what?
[22:13] <babbageclunk> move the FSM out of rafttest into worker/raft.
[22:16] <hml> short review anyone?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8582
[22:16] <hml> balloons: ^^
[22:16] <hml> :-)
[22:18] <balloons> :-) awesome heather!
[22:19] <veebers> wallyworld, thumper tiny addition to the charmrepo.v3 change
[22:19] <veebers> https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/125
[22:19]  * wallyworld still otp :-(
[22:19] <veebers> ack
[22:24] <veebers> hml: lgtm
[22:28] <hml> veebers: ty
[22:38] <babbageclunk> veebers: build's failing on yours?
[22:38] <hml> wpk: why is timing a big issue here?  with the interfaces.py?
[22:40] <hml> wpk: ifdown used to be before the interfaces.py was called
[22:42] <veebers> babbageclunk: ah as per comment, test failure as charmstore.v5 still deps on charmrepo.v2 and thus fails. I could add charmrepo.v2 to charmrepo.v3 deps but that's mucky :-) Once this lands I'll propose a PR for charmstore.v5 (my branch will currently be the only thing depping on charmrepo.v3 right now)
[22:42] <wpk> hml: the main concern is to wait with anything that's hard to revert for as long as possible, we've seen weird failure modes and IMHO it's impossible to avoid them all, but we could do as much as we can to 1. avoid them 2. make the machine boot if we f.up
[22:43] <babbageclunk> veebers: oh sorry - didn't see that!
[22:44] <veebers> hah I may have made it after you looked at the PR ^_^
[22:46] <hml> wpk, veebers, balloons: will look at changing interfaces.py instead in the AM
[22:47] <babbageclunk> that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[23:16] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: anastasiamac: standup?
[23:18] <anastasiamac> m standing m standing \o/


[00:00] <hallyn> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7205567/ does that look ok?
[00:00] <slangasek> hallyn: yeah, thought we had an already-prepared uname faker, from back when the kernel versioning scheme changed and older software needed love
[00:00] <slangasek> hallyn: um, diff please :)
[00:01] <cjwatson> slangasek: that sounds like setarch --uname-2.6
[00:01] <infinity> hallyn: Following the code, this should work.
[00:01] <cjwatson> which is fairly specific to that one case
[00:01] <infinity> cjwatson: setarch won't let you fake a uname, just set a personality bit to s/3.something/2.something/
[00:01] <cjwatson> indeed, but I think it may be what slangasek is recalling
[00:01] <slangasek> cjwatson, infinity: right, that's what I was thinking of; didn't realize it didn't take an argument
[00:01] <infinity> slangasek: I'm not concerned about this change after reading the code, I think upstream got it right this time.
[00:02] <slangasek> infinity: awesome
[00:02] <hallyn> slangasek: uh, i've overwritten the old...  but i can diff with what's in the ppa
[00:02] <slangasek> hallyn: ok.  what version were you going to use when uploading this?
[00:02] <slangasek> because Breaks: qemu-system-aarch64 (<= 2.0.0~rc1+dfsg-0ubuntu1) is only right if the version you upload is > 2.0.0~rc1+dfsg-0ubuntu1
[00:02] <cjwatson> the very existence of setarch --uname-2.6 is kind of an "oh, yeah, our userspace is made of fail" admission, but anyway
[00:03] <slangasek> cjwatson: yes, but it was our /old/ userspace that we didn't want to fix up just to enable building in chroots :)
[00:03] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7205574/
[00:03] <cjwatson> certainly :)
[00:03] <hallyn> slangasek: d'oh, yeah
[00:03] <slangasek> hallyn: so you probably just want << there instead of <=, for both the Breaks and Replaces
[00:03] <cjwatson> I just wish there were some mechanism to automatically telemock the authors of code that broke
[00:04] <infinity> cjwatson: I found the "all kernerls start with 2" hilarity less disturbing than the "all kernels have (at least) 3 version components" screwups.  Lots of those still exist.
[00:04] <cjwatson> (although I suspect I may have been responsible for one or two dodgy broken shell scripts ... at least they were dealing with things actually related to the kernel :) )
[00:04] <cjwatson> infinity: yeah, we've basically elected not to exercise that
[00:04] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7205588/
[00:06] <cjwatson> I'd actually forgotten that we use setarch --uname-2.6 in lp-buildd when building for old series
[00:06] <infinity> Forgetting a hack tends to mean it's working, so I'm okay with that.
[00:07] <slangasek> hallyn: looks good.  I'm just finding my way to debian/rules now, let me give that a quick once-over before you reupload
[00:07] <cjwatson> Yup
[00:07] <hallyn> slangasek: cool, thanks
[00:07] <slangasek> hallyn: is this build-tested on armhf?
[00:08] <hallyn> slangasek: yup, dannf built it it on armhf and arm64
[00:10] <slangasek> k, just checking; some of the diff around arm/aarch64/arm64 in debian/rules is non-obvious
[00:11] <hallyn> from ppa to archive, or from 1.7 to 2.0?
[00:11] <slangasek> hallyn: pretty sure line 95 of debian/rules is wrong, isn't that supposed to be 'echo arm aarch64'?
[00:11] <slangasek> hallyn: from 1.7 to 2.0
[00:13] <infinity> That should indeed be 'echo arm aarch64'
[00:13] <hallyn> uh
[00:13] <slangasek> hallyn: yes, quite certain that this is buggy - please to not be registering an aarch64 binfmt handler on aarch64 systems ;-)
[00:14] <hallyn> i swear the built version didn't have it, but you're obviously right.
[00:14] <hallyn> fixing that up
[00:14] <slangasek> hallyn: that's it
[00:14] <hallyn> then there's that mips one
[00:15] <slangasek> the rest looks fine
[00:15] <infinity> hallyn: Don't worry about the mips one, the Debian mips people can sort it if they care.
[00:15] <slangasek> the mips was the one we said we were punting until aurel32 cared
[00:15] <infinity> hallyn: (That is, don't worry about fixing it in Ubuntu, if you want to poke Debian people to care about it there, fine)
[00:16] <slangasek> hallyn: I'm afk for the next half hour, but drop me a ping here when you've uploaded and I'll pick it up on the rebound (unless infinity intercepts)
[00:16] <hallyn> slangasek: thanks for the review!
[00:16] <infinity> I'm about to food and TV, but can pick it up after that, if vorlon doesn't beat me to it. :P
[00:17] <hallyn> thanks - i'm ust looking over the new debdiff one more time, then i'll dput
[00:20] <hallyn> slangasek: infinity: pushed.  will bbl.
[00:52] <slangasek> hallyn, infinity: accepted
[02:10] <psusi> infinity, I've had a few people asking how util-linux is coming ;)
[02:31] <Noskcaj_> Laney, Can you finish your review of https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-xkb-plugin/lp-733563 please?
[02:55] <Logan_> Noskcaj_: hi
[03:28] <Noskcaj_> hey Logan_
[03:28] <Noskcaj_> Sorry, i had to do some mowing for dad
[03:31] <Logan_> Noskcaj_: do you still need help logging into the bouncer? :P
[03:31] <Noskcaj_> Logan_, yeah
[03:31] <Noskcaj_> I'm in hexchat
[03:32] <Noskcaj_> Setting the server to "loganrosen.com" and the password doesn't seem to work
[03:32] <Logan_> the server password, right?
[03:32] <Logan_> and your username is Noskcaj?
[03:32] <Noskcaj_> yes and yes
[03:32] <Noskcaj_> actually, no
[03:33] <Noskcaj_> What authentication method should i use, the default is password only
[03:39]  * Unit193 tries to log in to loganrosen.com, fails.
[04:07] <Logan_> Noskcaj_: the default
[04:08] <Logan_> nice try, Unit :P
[04:18] <Noskcaj> Logan_, Finally works. Thanks
[04:23] <Logan_> Noskcaj: sweet :)
[04:23] <hallyn> slangasek: thx, doing one last dist-upgrade locally to check for bad errors :)
[04:23] <Unit193> Still need SASL though.
[04:23] <Noskcaj> Is there anyone who works on haskell in ubuntu?
[04:23] <Noskcaj> haskell-llvm-base probably needs a sync to build
[04:24] <Logan_> Noskcaj: /ns identify <password>
[04:24] <Logan_> Noskcaj: also do: /msg *nickserv set <password>
[04:24] <Logan_> that's for znc
[04:25] <Logan_> (yes, the asterisk is on purpose)
[04:25] <Noskcaj> done
[04:25] <Logan_> sweet
[04:25] <hallyn> seems all right, as does cgmanager.  /me out
[04:26] <Noskcaj> It seems haskell-devscripts would need syncing too
[04:26] <Noskcaj> but i think that breaks most of haskell
[04:28] <Logan_> yeah, it looks like a sync would fix it
[04:28] <Logan_> a successful build only takes 4 minutes - I'll try it locally
[04:28] <Logan_> oh, the changelog implies that the fix was only in haskell-devscripts
[04:31] <Noskcaj> going offline to play dota
[06:24] <pitti> slangasek: thanks; I've seen suddenly failed batches of failures all over the week, so by now I'm quite used to it :)
[06:24] <slangasek> heh :)
[07:33] <infinity> pitti: Do let me know if the reboot seems to have made things more stable for your guests...
[08:15] <cjwatson> Noskcaj,Logan_: I'll have a look at haskell-llvm-base once I'm done with sorting out GHC on arm64.
[08:15] <cjwatson> (which should be this weekend)
[08:15] <Noskcaj> thanks cjwatson. It's been bothering me just how much of th ftbfs list is haskell stuff
[08:16] <cjwatson> It's not clear that we need the new haskell-devscripts.  That seemed to be for a different failure.  In any event we should be extremely careful to avoid ending up having to rebuild haskell-*.
[08:16] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: It's not that much, discounting dep-waits.
[08:17] <cjwatson> I'll grant you it ought to be empty :-)
[08:19] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: And (a) arm64 isn't going to get GHCi yet hence no Template Haskell, (b) barring miracles ppc64el isn't going to get GHC at all for 14.04, so it won't empty out in one go or anything.
[08:20] <Noskcaj> ok.
[08:25] <darkxst> cjwatson, hey, so yeh those logs were from apt-get. are you saying it should work when installed as a task?
[08:27] <infinity> darkxst: Yes.
[08:27] <infinity> darkxst: Which apt-get can do too, just add a ^ to the end.
[08:27] <darkxst> ok cool, didnt know that
[08:27] <infinity> darkxst: But Colin added ubuntu-gnome-desktop to tasksel earlier, so picking it from tasksel at the end of the install should also do the trick.
[08:28] <infinity> darkxst: The apt-get task^ syntax is what's used in livecd-rootfs to build your livefs.
[08:28] <darkxst> infinity, we still have the case of people cross-grading from ubuntu
[08:28] <infinity> darkxst: So, if youre livecd is correct, then this should be fine.
[08:28] <darkxst> infinity, livecd stuff is still a mystery to me ;)
[08:28] <cjwatson> darkxst: Right.
[08:28] <infinity> darkxst: cross-grading desktops has always been vaguely problematic (though mostly works) but yeah.  Some better way to do that wouldn't hurt. :/
[08:29] <darkxst> it used to work reasonably well, before the u/g-cc split
[08:29]  * infinity nods.
[08:29] <infinity> darkxst: Thankfully, that's a temporary situation for unity7 and should go away again for 8, AIUI.  Unfortunately, that revelation doesn't help us for 14.04
[08:32] <infinity> darkxst: If you're okay with the desktops not being coinstallable, you could perhaps make the metapackage conflict against the unity versions of those split bits.
[08:32] <infinity> darkxst: Not really ideal, but could do the trick.
[08:33] <darkxst> infinity, probably not really option, if people wanted to use any gnome2-ish desktop in addition to gnome3
[08:33] <darkxst> we do have users that switch between gnome-shell and gnome-flashback
[08:34] <infinity> darkxst: I think, realistically, we'll probably have to accept that it's not "real Ubuntu" or "real Ubuntu GNOME" unless people install from the appropriately-named media (or a fresh d-i install with the right task selected) for 14.04.
[08:35] <darkxst> infinity, right, and probably apart from the extra packages, its not like there are crazy run-time conflicts
[08:37] <infinity> Oh, I see, gnome-control-center and unity-control-center *can* coexist.  So, yeah, conflicts would be bad.
[08:37] <infinity> But then how is cross-grading not working?
[08:37] <infinity> Wouldn't you just end up with both installed?
[08:38] <cjwatson> Yeah, you should ...
[08:39] <cjwatson> The -desktop metapackages have explicit dependencies both ways round
[08:39] <infinity> Now, installing both desktops and then trying to remove unity could be a hard slog.  But having both installed looks like it should Just Work, I think.
[08:40] <darkxst> infinity, yes it just about the extra packages
[08:40] <infinity> darkxst: You might need to elaborate on that. :)
[08:41] <infinity> darkxst: "apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop^" on my unity-based machine seems to want to pull in everything that should matter.  I think.
[08:41] <darkxst> infinity, right I havent tried the ^ trick yet
[08:43] <darkxst> but without ^ it pulls in all of u-c-c/u-s-d and UOA. I guess that is irrellevant though if ^ does work
[08:43] <darkxst> I have to run and get dinner now anyway
[09:53] <darkxst> infinity, ok, ^ seems to work right
[10:12] <Laney> Noskcaj: Got a tab open, will look monday (patch piloting then) at the latest
[18:08] <elias21> Hi, anybody know where can i find the upload status for ppas?
[18:11] <zyga> elias21: what do you mean by upload status?
[18:14] <elias21> zyga: hi, i've just uploaded my package but it no appear


[19:13] <philipballew> theShirbiny,
[19:13] <philipballew> hey there
[19:14] <philipballew> wanted to ask you a few questions
[20:02] <theShirbiny> philipballew, I'm here now :)
[20:18] <philipballew> theShirbiny, hey buddy.
[20:18] <philipballew> If I find myself in Cairo sometime, would you know some good things to do there?
[20:23] <theShirbiny> philipballew: pm?, I don't like talking in this channel
[21:45] <hasanin> السلام عليكم
[21:46] <theShirbiny> philipballew, meet hasanin, philipballew meet hasanin
[21:46] <hasanin> Hi philipballew o/
[21:56] <philipballew> hasanin, hello :)
[22:00] <theShirbiny> philipballew: hasanin knows Cairo more than I do, you can ask him about the places you want to visit or any question in general
[22:01] <philipballew> theShirbiny, perfect.
[22:01] <hasanin> yep,, you are welcome, you can PM me at anytime
[22:02] <philipballew> well I will be there in 4 weeks so I have time.
[22:02] <philipballew> Is there a best way to get in contact with you, or is this the best way on freenode?
[22:04] <hasanin> fastest way is my mobile number, you can always pm  me in freenode
[22:07] <philipballew> well I probably should not pay the international charges myself.
[22:07] <philipballew> I guess I can do here in freenode
[22:08] <hasanin> you can reach me via google hangout too, I will pm you the details.
[22:09] <philipballew> perfect. If you want anything from California, let me know and i'll see what I can do.


[16:41] <BRANDON_UBUNTU-L> Need help. >> I have 2 OS on 2 different drives with GRUB Dual Boot WINDOWS ---- Ubuntu, Linux >>> I want to connect remotely to either/or vise versa doesnt matter thru which OS


[12:49] <czajkowski> no ebel
[12:49] <czajkowski> :o
[12:49] <czajkowski> slashtom: what have you done with an ebel ;(
[12:50] <slashtom> he's poorly
[12:50] <czajkowski> oh noes
[12:50] <czajkowski> :(
[12:51] <czajkowski> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-January/005179.html   could do with an Irish team answer
[12:51] <czajkowski> slashtom: tell him get well soon
[12:51] <slashtom> i will do
[13:45] <terran> 493,80
[13:45] <terran> whoops
[13:45] <terran> wrong window
[15:49] <czajkowski> terran: howdy doody
[15:49] <czajkowski> terran: is Moonpie alive?
[15:55] <terran> I have no idea, haven't heard from him in weeks
[15:56] <czajkowski> :(
[15:56] <czajkowski> terran: hows life with you anways ?
[15:58] <terran> Good, had visitors this weekend
[15:58] <terran> spent a bit more money than I intended to
[15:58] <terran> so I don't have as much to spend in Brussels
[15:59] <terran> but still
[15:59] <terran> it was enjoyable
[16:08] <czajkowski> but it will be fu
[16:08] <czajkowski> fun
[16:10] <czajkowski> terran: sign up http://l33tm33t.eventbrite.com/
[17:01] <terran> czajkowski: you going to that?
[17:05] <czajkowski> yup
[17:05] <czajkowski> could be interesting
[21:07] <kenguest> lo
[23:18] <airurando> czajkowski you about?
[23:19] <czajkowski> airurando: I am
[23:19] <airurando> wow that was quick
[23:19] <airurando> small thinh
[23:19] <czajkowski> shoot
[23:19] <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances
[23:19]  * czajkowski is just in from the pub
[23:20] <czajkowski> airurando: aye
[23:20] <airurando> hope you had a good time.
[23:20] <czajkowski> was grand
[23:20] <czajkowski> needed after long long day :D
[23:20] <airurando> should tdr112s promotional effort at the Business Value of Open Source Software seminar go on that page?
[23:21] <czajkowski> aye
[23:21] <airurando> long days are the worst.
[23:21] <airurando> good stuff.
[23:21] <airurando> I'll put it up so.
[23:21] <airurando> tdr112 is nowhere to be found.
[23:22] <czajkowski> college I suspect
[23:22] <czajkowski> or else the tog party got mad :)
[23:22] <airurando> indeed
[23:23] <airurando> it was good seeing him at Ubuntu Hour on Wednesday.


[09:10] <LikeVinyl> http://radio.nashgul.com.es/birras
[12:15] <Patero-ng> does anyone here knows what improvements of importance are un vegas 15 that are not in vegas12
[18:15] <dino> olá


 :D
[10:04] <elacheche> :)
[10:35] <nzoueidi> Nice screenshot elacheche :D
[10:36] <Chikore> haha je viens de la voir aussi
[10:36] <nzoueidi> haha awesomness \o/
[10:39] <elacheche> hahaha nzoueidi x)
[10:42] <elacheche> nzoueidi: Last night I was trying to use my cli ninja skills to shrink my / I crashed it twice before I managed to recover it and really shrink it x) Next step is installing Gentoo on the new part from inside Ubuntu not Gentoo's Live CD/USB x)
[10:43] <nzoueidi> hahaha :D cool it would be cool to share it as post in your blog :D I will be surely the 1st one to read it :D
[10:47] <elacheche> Hahaha x) Yeah why not x) It's not unusual in Gentoos world, but it'll help to document it.. I'll try to do it again after I finish it on my laptop and have aUbuntu/Gentoo dual boot.. Also, I'll try to do some LVM stuff on some VM and share it.. I'm really thinking about geting a VPS and install gentoo on it.. As most providers don't offer that, knowing how to install Gentoo from other OS and learning how
[10:47] <elacheche> to make a god LVM & RAID config will be something good
[10:51] <elacheche> praisethemoon: What did you felt when you saw your name in that blog post :p :D You're famous now :D
[10:51] <nzoueidi> That's what I am looking for; a VPS dedicated to do those stuff, but I didn't found any providers that offer that x(
[10:52] <elacheche> nzoueidi: "VPS dedicated to do those stuff" explain
[10:53] <praisethemoon> elacheche, i didn't see my name there :3 where?!
[10:54] <elacheche> I'm not telling you praisethemoon :p But it's there :p
[10:56] <nzoueidi> I mean a VPS you can install on it Gentoo, they don't accept that afaik
[10:57] <praisethemoon> search tool says it's not :(
[10:59] <elacheche> nzoueidi: I think OVH offers a Gentoo image..
[10:59] <praisethemoon> ", ainsi que plusieurs autres…"
[10:59] <elacheche> No they don't, they only offers ArchLinux
[10:59] <praisethemoon> is it there? :D
[11:00] <elacheche> nope praisethemoon, you didn't chekc the screenshot :p
[11:01] <elacheche> Saw this nzoueidi http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/01/taking-a-stand-against-unstable-risky-unofficial-ubuntu-images/ This is an other reason to not use pre-installed images x) Ubuntu or others..
[11:01] <praisethemoon> \o/
[11:01] <praisethemoon> XDD
[11:01] <praisethemoon> good one elacheche good one!
[11:02] <elacheche> :D
[11:04] <elacheche> nzoueidi: I know that you probably made some research on VPS providers for personnal VPS, when you have a name to recommand share it, and I'll share mine :p Didn't tried any so far, but based on my reasearchs I find the good one, I need only to pay for a VPS and try it..
[12:33] <elacheche> aim
[12:33] <elacheche> SalahMessaoud: Yo ! wassup!
[12:35] <SalahMessaoud> elacheche, yoo, I am good but a lil hungry :D
[12:35] <SalahMessaoud> and you ?
[12:40] <elacheche> good :) thx
[14:02] <elacheche> nzoueidi: I can't believe it! I just findout that some Tunisia Websites hosted on Gentoo x)
[14:09] <nzoueidi> back
[14:10] <nzoueidi> no way \o/
[14:10] <nzoueidi> how come? :D
[14:38] <elacheche> nzoueidi: Check https://index.woorank.com/en/reviews?country=tn&technology=gentoo
[14:43] <nzoueidi> waw :D
[14:43] <nzoueidi> they master Gentoo so?! :D
[14:46] <elacheche> That should be true.. but who knows
[14:47] <elacheche> During the last 5 years, I only knew 1 person who used Gentoo..
[15:04] <nzoueidi> That would be pretty awesome if they really master awesome, I doubt if that site give a true ingos
[15:04] <nzoueidi> s/ingos/infos


[12:06] <KaiL_> will we have KDE versions of the update-manager and update-notifyer in breezy?
[01:12] <froud> elmo: I think mailing list for ubuntu-doc has forzen
[01:12] <froud> frozen