[00:13] <halvors> is ubuntu beta released yet?
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Smedles: And the nvme / contains the focal /home - with the 18.04 /home on the SSD ?
[00:14] <Smedles> Bashing-om: if I isntall focal with /home empty, and on the nvme, all is goog
[00:15] <Smedles> if I install focal mounting the ssd/18.04 /home then all is bad
[00:15] <Bashing-om> Smedles: That ^ is understanable - them differing config files.
[00:15] <Bashing-om> understandable*
[00:20] <FurretUber> Will the 20.04 LXD containers become available only after 20.04 release?
[00:21] <Bashing-om> Smedles: I too multi-boot, but I mount targeted partitons as "on-demand" - as a safty measure to prevent file system corruptions: https://termbin.com/0n28 - with 2 drives currently active.
[00:59] <luna_> started helping with Ubuntu with the aspect i can help again today, translations
[01:00] <Bashing-om> luna_: \o/
[01:00] <luna_> first time since 2014
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:23] <luna_> morning
[03:39] <dax> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-April/040957.html
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> we will spread the word
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> (if needed)
[04:24] <Bashing-om> dax: Noted ^^ too for UWN - see if still outstanding come Monday.
[06:35] <slingamn> i'm having some issues in focal that are possibly related to hpet
[06:35] <slingamn> i got this in dmesg:
[06:35] <slingamn> [ 5571.203192] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 3d on CPU 1.
[06:35] <slingamn> [ 5571.203194] Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled?
[06:35] <slingamn> [ 5571.203195] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue
[06:35] <slingamn> also `perf top` reports excessive cpu usage in `read_hpet`
[06:36] <slingamn> allegedly this may be hpet related? https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-kernel-uhhuh-nmi-received-for-unknown-reason-30/
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 beta images are ready to test guys, ZFX fix is complete
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> report bugs & issues here or in #ubuntu-quality please
[11:13] <thebiffman> lotuspsychje: Where can I find torrent for the beta builds? Looking the the ftps but cant find anything
[11:23] <thebiffman> nvm
[12:55] <halvors> what is new in beta compared to the development release, and how do i upgrade from development release to beta?
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> halvors: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/ubuntu-20-04-beta-download
[13:05] <halvors> lotuspsychje: But do i get the same result by installing updates on top of development release?
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> !final
[13:07] <halvors> lotuspsychje: So the ZFS fix is available thru updates?
[13:55] <tugapower> hi, using kde , pressing to add widgets does nothing, no errors, nothing. Can something be missing ?
[14:03] <tugapower> interesting, further info, if press add widgets on my main display nothing happens, but if press add widgets on my second monitor, the option appear on my main monitor, wtf
[16:59] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am installing Focal via debootstrap on a UEFI system. When I install the linux kernel inside the chroot however, apt pulls in grub-pc instead of grub-efi. Can I overrule that behaviour somehow?
[17:07] <ChmEarl> irreleph4nt, add a bind mount to /boot/EFI in the chroot?
[17:08] <ChmEarl> irreleph4nt, thats what I would try, never did this
[17:10] <irreleph4nt> ChmEarl, oh, so is Ubuntu also in the business of seperating /boot from /boot/EFI? :/ I am new, actually. Switching from Arch to Ubuntu
[17:25] <irreleph4nt> ChmEarl, for future reference: manually specifying grub-efi together with linux-image at least prevent grub-pc from being pulled in. Whether that works or not as of right now is unknown - still setting my system up
[17:26] <ChmEarl> irreleph4nt, I have a test LVM with 2 partitions for EFI system: /dev/maxvm/efi1604p1   2048   227327   225280  110M EFI System
[17:26] <ChmEarl> irreleph4nt, the other partition is type linux, root
[17:27] <irreleph4nt> that's reassuring to know :)
[17:28] <irreleph4nt> Does ubuntu run a paste service that you want people to post snippets to so they don't spam IRC?
[17:28] <irreleph4nt> I am running into a setup problem which I'd like to ask for help with
[17:29] <oerheks> paste.ubuntu.com  or <command> | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:30] <irreleph4nt> oerheks, thanks
[17:31] <irreleph4nt> I am installing with debootstrap, using the following from within my chroot: "apt install linux-base linux-generic:amd64 cryptsetup lvm2 openssh-server locales net-tools language-pack-de console-setup"
[17:31] <irreleph4nt> dpkg however quits with an error due to a "not configured yet" error on linux & linux-headers
[17:31] <irreleph4nt> paste is here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mrvFH3yc6R/
[17:50] <irreleph4nt> ignore me ... this is due to Ubuntu creating symlinks in /boot, which does not work when /boot is FAT32 formatted like in my case
[20:25] <halvors> Hmm, this doesn't seem right... https://i.imgur.com/H6CYPr9.png
[20:25] <halvors> It's in Norwegian, but basically says "Start with dedicated graphics card"
[20:25] <halvors> What does that have to do with storage devices?
[22:06] <ali1234> halvors: nothing. it's asking you which GPU you want to run the software with
[22:06] <ali1234> i guess it is not specific to file manager
[22:06] <halvors> ali1234: The storage device?
[22:06] <halvors> I don't think its a normal thing to switch gpus?
[22:07] <halvors> Is this intended for Nvidia Prime or something?
[22:07] <ali1234> yeah exactly
[22:07] <halvors> I don't have that
[22:07] <halvors> So what is it doing there.
[22:07] <ali1234> neither do i, so i have no idea
[22:07] <halvors> ali1234: And it does nothing special, i'm not promted to select gpui
[22:08] <ali1234> well you wouldn't be
[22:09] <ali1234> once you pick that option you've already selected to run it on the dedicated GPU
[22:10] <ali1234> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Shell-Optimus
[22:10] <ali1234> this feature is really old. that it appears when you don't have dual GPU setup must be a bug
[22:10] <halvors> Yeah
[22:11] <halvors> Technically it's Intel iGPU integrated in my desktop computer processor, but i explicitly disable it in BIOS.
[22:14] <ali1234> seems like all the option does is launch the app with "DRI_PRIME=1" in the environment
[22:33] <halvors> ali1234: I see.


[01:02] <giovanni> hello!! there i need Help in IPTABLES rules, so i put "iptables -A INPUT -j DROP", how can i remove this rules ? :-]
[01:03] <mathiaz> giovanni: iptables -D INPUT -j DROP
[01:04] <mathiaz> giovanni: -A -> Append ; -D -> Delete
[01:04] <giovanni> danke!
[01:25] <tacone> what's the best way to detect ssh servers in the local network ?
[01:25] <mathiaz> tacone: use nmap
[01:25] <hads> nmap would be
[01:26] <tacone> server don't normally run avahi, right? :)
[01:26] <hads> nmap -p 22 <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[01:27] <tacone> ok. another quick question, may I '
[01:27] <tacone> ?
[01:27] <mathiaz> tacone: sure
[01:27] <tacone> (we're working on ssh for rapache)
[01:27] <tacone> 1 linux box may be connected to more than 1 local network at the same time, right ?
[01:28] <hads> Yup
[01:28] <tacone> I need a way to detect what the localnetworks are. I'd use ifconfig. is there a less output command ?
[01:28] <tacone> what's the best practice ?
[01:28] <hads> In a bash script or...?
[01:29] <tacone> we use python, but use shell commands very often.
[01:29] <tacone> so a shell command would be ok.
[01:30] <hads> In the shell you could use `ip`, the output may be easier to parse than ifconfig. There's probably a pythonic way to do it though.
[01:31] <mathiaz> tacone: ifconfig | grep 'inet addr' | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d\  -f1
[01:31] <tacone> ok, I'll look into ip..
[01:31] <tacone> ops
[01:31] <tacone> :)
[01:31] <tacone> thank you.
[01:31] <mathiaz> tacone: ^^ that gives a list of ip that are configured on the system
[01:32] <mathiaz> tacone: the last cut command is: cut -d\  -f1
[01:32] <tacone> right
[01:32] <mathiaz> tacone: which two spaces after \
[01:32] <tacone> right, I got it
[01:32] <tacone> copy paste never fails ;-)
[01:32] <tacone> thank you very much for your help
[01:32] <hads> Here's a snippet too; http://lists.apple.com/archives/macnetworkprog/2008/Feb/msg00071.html
[01:33] <hads> Which is just parsing output so not difference/point
[01:33] <tacone> right.
[01:33] <tacone> I'll try each :-)
[01:33] <tacone> thanks !
[06:15] <flyback> anyone tried to roll their own kernel for 6.06.2lts
[07:06] <antdedyet> testing...
[07:14] <Blaenk> hey guys why is it that when I ln -s a folder in my home directory to my htdocs folder and I access it I get a 403 forbidden error? stupid question I imagine
[07:19] <henkjan> Blaenk: access rights. apache runs as www-data. www-data has no accessrights on your home folder
[07:19] <Blaenk> henkjan: ohhh okay, how may I add them to this particular folder henkjan ?
[07:19] <Blaenk> say it's /home/me/mypictures
[07:19] <Blaenk> of course I did ln -s mypictures /path/to/htdocs but that didn't work
[07:21] <Blaenk> I would /really/ appreciate any help
[07:21] <Blaenk> mypictures is even chmod 777
[07:22] <vk5foss> Blaenk: why symlink it like that?
[07:23] <Blaenk> because I'm a noob, and that's the only way I imagined I could do it
[07:23] <vk5foss> Blaenk: read up on 'userdir' and 'public_html'
[07:23] <Blaenk> henkjan says I must give www-data access rights to the folder but I can't remember how
[07:23] <vk5foss> and *do not ever* let www-data write to your home directory
[07:23] <vk5foss> and *do not ever* set your home directory 777
[07:23] <Blaenk> it's not
[07:24]  * antdedyet wonders what the Ubuntu Server Guide looks like these days
[07:26] <Blaenk> vk5foss: where is the public_html folder?
[07:26] <Blaenk> I only see htdocs
[07:26] <Blaenk> okay so basically, all I want to do is expose a folder in my home directory to my site so that I can download things off of it (documents)
[07:26] <vk5foss> Blaenk: and basically, i'm telling you not to.
[07:27] <vk5foss> 15:53 < vk5foss> Blaenk: read up on 'userdir' and 'public_html'
[07:28] <Blaenk> ah apache2.conf
[07:28] <Blaenk> or no wait this thread's 3 years old
[07:29] <vk5foss> ~ping
[07:29] <Blaenk> where can I find the file where I put the UserDir directive?
[07:29] <vk5foss> !ping
[07:29] <vk5foss> !serverguide
[07:30] <antdedyet> Blaenk: you may prefer the apache2-doc package for reference material on userdir.
[07:30] <Blaenk> so aside from being insecure, is it just not possible to do what I mentioned?
[07:31] <vk5foss> sure, its possible
[07:31] <antdedyet> Blaenk: it's not a recommended practice that you would ever want to exhibit in a public internet environment due to various concerns, basically. :)
[07:31]  * antdedyet reiterates
[07:31] <Blaenk> well honestly this directory, this server in fact is just meant for this
[07:31] <Blaenk> it's not my home computer or anything
[07:31] <Blaenk> please, if you would be so kind, how can I do this? all security risks aside
[07:32]  * vk5foss lets antdedyet handle this - i'm about to breach the CoC i suspct ...
[07:32]  * vk5foss not here
[07:32] <antdedyet> Blaenk: We don't provide the rope for anyone... :)
[07:33]  * antdedyet heads off in search of liquid refreshment... brb
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <flyback> how do I enable root logins
[08:46] <stka> hi
[08:49] <stka> I'm looking for thomeone who can build neu pakages for bind9 and dhcpd WITH ldap-support. I have writen a workshop for LDAP, so far I use suse but I would like to switch tu ubuntu-server, but the bind9 and the dhcpd is not linked against ldap, but I like to put the infos for dhcpd and bind9 into the ldap-tree.
[09:10] <antdedyet> stka: perhaps you will be interested in the ldap2dns and ldaptor-utils to see if they provide the functionality required for your environment
[09:11] <stka> antdedyet: are these special pakages?
[09:11] <antdedyet> both packages can be found in ubuntu 8.04.1
[09:11] <stka> ok I'll take a look
[09:12] <antdedyet> just after 3am... I may be sleeping soon.
[09:15] <stka> ok
[09:16] <stka> antdedyet: but it is not what I'm looking for. I will put all the zone-infos and configuration in the ldap-tree
[09:18] <stka> the same with dhcp. All infos about reservations ans configuration for the clients should be in the ldap tree. There are patches for bind and dhcpd but I'm no programmer, I work with networks, I tried it by my self to patch bind and dhcp but I didn't get it running :-(
[09:22] <stka> with ldap2dns there ist still a ascii file withe the zone infos. The tool generates the files. With the patched bind you can use ldap diectly without any ascii file
[09:24] <antdedyet> Just a suggestive solution that happen to be available. I personally have reserverations about ldap being able to fulfill the capacity of nameservers I manage, but that's only speculative word of mouth and light experience application with ldap (read: possible FUD)
[09:28] <antdedyet> IIRC, directory reads would probably be within reasonable range of performance of the dns servers, but writes wouldn't. Which yep ... is what you want to do. However, I'm not versed in the available patches or native ldap linkage in bind9, nor do I have enough motivation to provide a patched package yet. :)
[09:30] <stka> no problem antdedyet I'm searching for someone who is interested and can help me. Ehat I can't understand is, that none of the developers od bind puts ldap support nativ into bind9. Many admins like to put all nds and dhcp infos into ldap.
[09:34]  * antdedyet guesses that someone may have not volunteered to write ldap communicating code into bind9 yet ... not an informed opinion thru, straight outta the ether. :)
[09:36] <stka> the patch is available for bind and dhcpd, I think it's not a big deal to put this in the package
[09:38] <antdedyet> stka: but you were not able to patch it?
[09:39] <stka> patch was not the problem but I didn't get it build
[09:39] <stka> as I said, I'm no programmer
[09:42] <stka> this is the old patch http://www.venaas.no/ldap/bind-sdb/old.html I can't reache the new page http://bind9-ldap.bayour.com/
[09:44] <stka> here ist the dhcpd patch http://home.ntelos.net/~masneyb/
[12:09] <penper> hi! I'm about to order a VPS solution. If I ask them to install Ubuntu Server, will I be able to ssh into it considering that all ports are blocked by default? Thanks :)
[12:11] <ghaleb_> hello, how can I know the version of a package before I install form apt ?
[12:12] <hads> penper: If all ports are blocked then all ports are blocked so, no.
[12:12] <hads> ghaleb_: aptitude show package
[12:13] <ghaleb_> hads: I'm trying to use it :D .. still can't search for a package to get description or sth
[12:14] <penper> hads: I asked because I imagined this was a common problem with Ubuntu Server, so maybe there was a solution for it? Maybe an option I need to ask them to set during the install or something
[12:15] <ghaleb_> hads: thank you I got it :)
[12:15] <hads> penper: Ubuntu won't block ports by default
[12:15] <penper> aha, ok... thanks
[12:41] <henkjan> soren: planet.ubuntu.com doesnt like the html tags in your blogpost
[12:44] <soren> henkjan: Oh, thanks for the pointer.
[12:46] <soren> henkjan: S
[12:46] <soren> henkjan: There. Should be fixed with next update. Thanks again!
[12:46] <henkjan> soren: np :)
[12:47] <henkjan> my little help to ubuntu-server :)
[14:38] <nxvl> soren: souldn't ubuntu-vm-builder be removed from the repos?
[14:41] <soren> nxvl: When vmbuilder fully replaces it, yes.
[14:41] <nxvl> oh
[14:41] <nxvl> ok
[14:41] <nxvl> :D
[14:45] <zul> soren: please add python-cheetah to the build-deps :)
[14:45] <nxvl> btw
[14:46] <nxvl> i'm quite confused about the meeting date
[14:46] <zul> which meeting date?
[14:46] <nxvl> it says Tuesday, 22nd of September
[14:46] <nxvl> zul: server team meeting
[14:46] <nxvl> we are on Tuesday and the 22nd was yesterday :S
[14:50] <zul> nxvl: mathias might have not been awake when he sent that im pretty sure its today :)
[14:51] <nxvl> :D
[15:12] <zzgvh> Hi all. I'm new here and somewhat of a ubuntu newbie too. So pls bear with me if I ask "stupid" questions. I'm struggling with kvm, trying to get a hardy server host running a number of hardy server guests. Anyone here willing/able to try help me? No use going into a long problem description if no one's listening ;-)
[15:34] <Shanix> zzgvh, try to take a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[15:35] <zzgvh> Aaanyway, I'll make a long story short. I have managed to set up a guest using ubuntu-vm-builder. It is on a static IP number using the community docs bridge setup. So my problem is that when using virt-clone I cannot connect to the clone. It would seem to me that if I can ssh to the original guest, then I should be able to ssh to the clone on the same IP, when that is the only guest running of course.
[15:37] <zzgvh> Shanix: thanks...I have been there, and it's gotten me tis far (with a lot of googling to of course) but it's HARD ;-) Lots of things seem to be much easier if you have a desktop host. I have tried that and gotten pretty far. But I really want to try run all systems as servers.
[15:40] <sommer> zzgvh: are you running the clone and the original at the same time?
[15:41] <zzgvh> Nope!
[15:42] <sommer> zzgvh: you might also check out: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[15:42] <zzgvh> It should have the same IP as the original, but when I try to ssh or ping it ther's nobody home
[15:42] <sommer> zzgvh: it may be that the nic has a different name... eth1 instead of eth0
[15:43] <sommer> zzgvh: it should be the same, but it's worth checking I guess
[15:43] <zzgvh> how do I check...I have no access to the clone guest!
[15:44] <sommer> zzgvh: virt-viewer -c qemu+ssh://hostname
[15:44] <sommer> zzgvh: you'll need to have ssh on the host machine setup
[15:45] <sommer> zzgvh: and connect from another client, if you don't have a gui on the server
[15:45] <zzgvh> ah...ya, because the host is a server too.
[15:45] <ogra> the clone will definately name it differently since eth0 in 70-persisent-net.rules will be bound to the originals MAC
[15:46] <ogra> unless you hve the same MAC in the clone :)
[15:46] <nxvl> mathiaz: here you are
[15:46] <sommer> ah, thanks ogra
[15:46] <nxvl> mathiaz: good morning
[15:46] <zzgvh> ok, I'll try and see if I can access from a desktop machime
[15:47] <nxvl> mathiaz: i was asking here for the date of the meeting, since in your e-mail it says: Tuesday, 22nd of September
[15:47] <nxvl> we are on Tuesday and the 22nd was yesterday
[15:47] <mathiaz> nxvl: right - it's today
[15:47] <nxvl> mathiaz: :D
[15:47]  * nxvl HUGS mathiaz
[16:09] <zzgvh> sommer: So I managed to get access to the clone! Thanks. I will continue looking at ogra's suggestion regarding the MACs.
[16:10] <sommer> party!
[16:35] <thefish> anyone know if there is anything like a free as in beer landscape server in the pipeline? (like spacewalk for rh)
[16:48] <hackeron> hey, I'm using basic auth in a vanilla installation of ubuntu-server and all my passwords are truncated to 8 characters. I can have a password set to<PHONE_NUMBER>0 and login with 01234567anything - any ideas?
[16:48] <hackeron> basic auth in apache2 that is
[16:55] <zzgvh> Ok, looks like I figured this out. Thanks a bunch, I might very well be back! ;-)
[16:59] <tuxcrafter> hello everybody, why is the CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SANE is not set on the 2.6.24-19-server kernel
[17:00] <tuxcrafter> compared to my debian server with kernel 2.6.22-3-686 that has the module build ...
[17:01] <tuxcrafter> is there a nice solution for this?
[17:29] <ivoks> i'm too late, right? :/
[17:31]  * tuxcrafter got to go
[17:31] <sommer> for the meeting?
[17:31] <tuxcrafter> will be back to ask again if possible
[17:31] <ivoks> sommer: yes
[17:32] <sommer> ivoks: yep, it's over :)
[17:32] <ivoks> i just can't make it at that time :/ that's still working hours here, so i'm usualy at the meetings
[17:33] <sommer> ah, meetings are awesome
[17:34] <ivoks> specially whern you are talking with someone who doesn't have a clue about what you are talking about
[17:34] <ivoks> like most of my meetings :/
[17:35] <sommer> heheh... been to a few of those meetings myself
[17:50] <nxvl> kirkland: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/23/encrypted-private-directory-in-ubuntu-810/
[17:51] <leonel> is  postgresql 8.3.4 going it's way to  Hardy ???
[17:51] <nxvl> leonel: hardy is stable release, so i think no
[17:52] <kirkland> nxvl: cool
[17:53] <leonel> nxvl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions  <-- that's why I asked  since the last postgresql  did
[17:54] <nxvl> you can always ask for an sru
[17:57] <leonel> not that I need 8.3.4   just asking  if there was a work in progress since  las time piti did it that's all
[17:58] <zul> well ask pitti then
[19:20] <jkakar> soren: Heya!  I just noticed your blog post about vm-builder.  Is there a Bazaar branch with the code somewhere?  I didn't find a vm-builder project on Launchpad.
[19:22] <zul> launcpad.net/vmbuilder
[19:29] <jkakar> zul: Thanks!
[20:23] <hubuntu> hello... I have a Hardy server and have used apt to install drupal. NOw I want several instances of drupal in my server (/server/drupal1 and /server/drupal2 let's say)
[20:23] <hubuntu> it's that possible? And if so, how?
[21:02] <psufan> how do I absolutely ensure that a kernel option is always executed on bootup
[21:02] <psufan> DO NOT ARGUE, DO NOT REMOVE WHEN DOING KERNEL UPDATE, ETC ETC, F*** OFF
[21:02] <psufan> config option :)
[21:04] <antdedyet> psufan: grub's docs will provide the information you're looking for.
[21:13] <psufan> I did check those before
[21:13] <psufan> didn't do shit for me
[21:14] <mathiaz> psufan: have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:15] <mathiaz> psufan: there is a whole section about adding kernel parameters to the grub command line
[21:17] <psufan> I do
[21:17] <psufan> and it ignores them
[21:17] <sommer> are you sure  you're placing them on the right line?
[21:19] <psufan> I placed them everyone
[21:19] <psufan> the only time it works is if I set.....
[21:19] <psufan> oh
[21:19] <psufan> damn
[21:19] <psufan> hang on
[21:19] <psufan> this might explain this and some other problems too
[21:20] <psufan> serial console bug
[21:30] <psufan> yep
[21:30] <psufan> the only time it works is if I go to the kernel line option in grub
[21:30] <psufan> and make it the first option
[21:44] <psufan> i'm just going with a stock solaris install and filesystem but thx
[21:44] <psufan> opps wrong channel
[21:45] <psufan> so anyways
[21:45] <psufan> does ubuntu use some kind of weird serial libary
[21:45] <psufan> seems to have terminal problems
[21:59] <psufan> i'm not taking ubuntu off my servers
[21:59] <psufan> the solaris is for the nas :P
[22:40] <nxvl> kirkland: ping
[22:40] <kirkland> nxvl: pong
[22:40] <nxvl> kirkland: i've just send you and e-mail
[22:40] <kirkland> nxvl: i got it
[22:41] <nxvl> ok
[22:41] <nxvl> :D
[22:41] <kirkland> nxvl: i'll take a look once i'm done with this hal issue that's been driving me crazy
[22:41] <kirkland> thanks
[22:41] <nxvl> kirkland: bug number?
[22:42] <kirkland> nxvl: not sure... just a big annoying issue.  must bin in kvm group to use kvm.
[22:44] <nxvl> i'm anoyed because i can't use the arrows on kvm
[22:44] <nxvl> so i can't install a debian system to test some stuff
[22:47] <nxvl> but i remember that soren said that it's not needed to be in the kvm group to use it anymore
[22:47] <nxvl> soren: or i was dreaming?
[22:56] <kirkland> nxvl: you can try giving kvm -k option
[22:56] <kirkland> nxvl: i use -k en-us for my keyboard
[22:56] <kirkland> nxvl: i don't know what yours would be
[22:58] <nxvl> it's en-us, it's anoying to try to develop using a spanish keyboard
[22:59] <nxvl> \o/ it worked
[22:59]  * nxvl HUGS kirkland
[23:00] <kirkland> nxvl: ;-)


[00:01] <clivejo> well FW5.23, Plasma 5.6.5 have been very stable for me
[00:01] <clivejo> Apps Ive just added so, cant comment just yet
[00:01] <clivejo> but Im very happy that korganiser isnt crashing all the time
[00:02] <valorie> I'm adding both frameworks and plasma, because I figure that they go together
[00:03] <clivejo> valorie: no need to
[00:03] <valorie> boo, still just a gray screen
[00:04] <clivejo> Phil moved them to landing
[00:04] <valorie> I see the lovely kubuntu logo pulsing, then nothing
[00:04] <clivejo> just double check in kinfo
[00:04] <valorie> all I have is terminal
[00:13] <valorie> I have a feeling this is a driver that got changed or something
[00:13] <valorie> phooey
[00:14] <valorie> I'm going to turn on the tv, eat and drink wine
[00:14] <valorie> and not think about it for a few mins
[06:09] <acheronuk> clivejo: patch on kdebaseapps is superfluous now, yes
 Anyone able to test apps 16.04.2 on yakkety yak ?
[10:12] <soee_> mamarley, acheronuk ^
[10:15] <mamarley> I have installed them.  No problems to report; everything seems fine. :)
[10:16] <soee_> clivejo: ^
[10:19] <clivejo> anyone understand this bug? LP 1505014
[10:29] <soee_> shouldnt thsi be in new app ?
[10:29] <soee_> 16.04 fixed
[10:29] <clivejo> soee_: thats what Im checking
[10:29] <clivejo> doesnt appear to be fixed
[10:29] <soee_> still requires installing ffmpegthumbnailer or somethig similar ?
[10:29] <clivejo> the forum posts seem to indicate that its a packaging bug
[10:30] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/267599703/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.ffmpegthumbs_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:32] <soee_> where is the problem exactly ? :)
[10:32] <soee_> clivejo: do you have it installed (apps 16.04.2) ?
[10:33] <clivejo> yes
[10:33] <clivejo> soee_: thats what Im trying to figure out
[10:33] <soee_> clivejo: in Dolphin settings -> Services
[10:33] <soee_> do you have an entry to enable video thumbs and it is checked ?
[10:33] <clivejo> it doesnt seem to be working in dolphin
[10:35] <soee_> uhm
[10:36] <soee_> in Neon with apps 16.04.1 it doesnt work either
[10:53] <acheronuk> apps seemed to upgrade OK in a VM
[10:55] <clivejo> indeed, Im liking apps 16.04.2
[10:55] <clivejo> no more crashes
[10:55] <soee_> clivejo: backport ? :)
[10:56] <yofel> I see what's wrong
[10:56] <clivejo> acheronuk: does your thumbs for clips in dolphin work?
[10:56] <yofel> qt-kde-team/2/dhmk.pl < find the error
[10:57] <clivejo> Im bumped it to version 3
[10:57] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/268518657/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.ffmpegthumbs_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:57] <yofel> still not working?
[10:57] <clivejo> waiting to publish
[10:57] <acheronuk> clivejo: dunno. I never use those
[10:57]  * clivejo ticks
[10:57] <soee_> be sure to check Vieo previews in Dolphin settings to test it i think
[10:58] <clivejo> soee_: I have
[10:58] <clivejo> but theres an issue with ffmpegthumbs
[10:58] <soee_> ok
[10:58] <clivejo> I think it was because it was being told to build the wrong version#
[10:59] <acheronuk> never seen the point in those thumbnails much, anyway
[10:59] <clivejo> can be useful to some
[10:59] <soee_> yup
[10:59] <clivejo> I do a bit of VHS to DVD converting and its hardy to spot clips
[10:59] <clivejo> bandy
[10:59] <clivejo> handy
[11:00] <acheronuk> lol
[11:00] <clivejo> grrr
[11:00] <clivejo> dont laugh at me!
[11:00] <clivejo> :P
[11:00] <acheronuk> I do it enough!
[11:00] <clivejo> another off day it seems!
[11:00] <acheronuk> typos, that is
[11:01] <acheronuk> I'm bad at those, so laughing at myself as well
[11:01] <clivejo> Im still recovering after yesterday
[11:11] <soee_> clivejo: final decision if we can move 5.6.5 to backports ?
[11:15] <clivejo> Ive no objections, just make sure its tested
[11:16] <soee_> yofel: ^
[11:16] <clivejo> FFS LP why are you soooooo slow!
[11:19] <davmor2> clivejo: possibly because of the millions of pages it hosts, all the code, blueprints, bugs, release frameworks oh and 1000's of users at anyone time, but other than that, possibly the connection too
[11:20] <clivejo> davmor2: it seems to be just the publishing part of it
[11:20] <sitter> everything before the connection argument is an excuse
[11:20] <soee_> clivejo: did you find time to package this communicator client you ltalked about ?
[11:21] <clivejo> soee_: nope
[11:21] <soee_> clivejo: ok
[11:21] <clivejo> I was sitting in a hospital most of the day yesterday
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hi all
[11:22] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[11:49] <soee_> BluesKaj: got Yakkety ?
[11:51] <davmor2> sitter: not an excuse just potential reasons for it going slow
[11:51] <BluesKaj> not right now ...my install totally broke and I couldn't rescue it to my satisfaction, it was a mess so i'm on xenial atm
[11:51] <BluesKaj> soee_:  ^
[11:51] <soee_> :D
[11:52] <BluesKaj> the yakkety ubiquity installer is still crashing in the dailies byw
[11:52] <BluesKaj> btw
[11:56] <BluesKaj> I'm very disappointed in the fact that ubiquity crashes is a well known problem but still exists in the daily images
[12:03] <yofel> oh right, there was that slideshow, let me remove that (assuming that'll help)
[12:03] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: the installer needs to be ported to PyQt5 to fix that properly
[12:04] <mparillo> BluesKaj: The current crash in Ubiquity is related to the slide show, right? There was a work-around posted maybe a week ago.
[12:04] <acheronuk> mparillo: yes, you can remove the slideshow package before you launch the installer
[12:05] <acheronuk> that at least allows the installer to complete
[12:05] <DarinMiller> G'Morning!
[12:05] <yofel> moin
[12:05] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: sudo apt purge ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[12:10] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  I don't know what the cause is , but it's kind of difficult to remove the slideshoe from a live dvd
[12:11] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller: ^
[12:12] <yofel> you'll have to run the installer from a live session
[12:13] <yofel> I removed the slideshow now, but I'm not sure if tomorrow's image will already have it removed
[12:14] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: the live session terminal is bit of fun also as it defaults a really nice font, but does not correctly show the cursor position.  Once updates-landing is added terminal session is usable again.
[12:16] <yofel> o.O
[12:20] <BluesKaj> well, i just sed'd my sources.list from xenial to yakkety and yakkety appears to have upgraded successfully ... so far
[12:21] <BluesKaj> we'll find out on the reboot
[12:29] <DarinMiller> oh oh, either Blueskaj  has a slow computer or his upgrade did not go well....
[12:29] <DarinMiller> oh there he is.
[12:30] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: I did not know that one could upgrade to the next release just by sed'ing the sources.list file. Good to know.
[12:33] <jimarvan> whazup peeps? :D
[12:35] <BluesKaj> odd, underscore isn't showing in the terminals but it seems be there
[12:36] <BluesKaj> ran lsb_release -a and the comand gave the correct output
[12:36] <BluesKaj> command even
[12:41] <soee_> yofel: will you push 5.6.5 to backports ?
[12:42] <yofel> might as well if nobody else has any intention of testing it
[12:51] <yofel> soee_: done
[12:55] <soee_> yofel: thank you, will you alos post some news on website ?
[12:55] <yofel> talk to the web team
[12:55] <yofel> ahoneybun: ^
[12:56] <yofel> (update contains plasma 5.6.5 and frameworks 5.23)
[13:12] <acheronuk> and wait for the LP publisher again....
[13:28] <clivejo> acheronuk: mind testing that new ffmpegthumbs package
[13:28] <clivejo> see if the thumbs are working
[13:29] <clivejo> looks like another in/out day
[13:30] <acheronuk> clivejo: I shall try if I can find a quick sample vid to DL to the VM and try it on
[13:30] <clivejo> thanks :)
[13:30] <clivejo> you're a star!
[13:30] <clivejo> I literally waiting on water to heat, to have a shower before heading out again
[13:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: not working on a couple of sample mp4s
[13:40] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/FeSxv1kGaSL
[13:40] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/yP6TrmS.png
[13:40] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.6.5 seems to be quite stable so far btw
[13:41] <BluesKaj> on Yakkety
[13:51] <ahoneybun> mm? soee_?
[13:58] <soee_> ahoneybun: please post some info on the website about Plasma 5.6.5 and Frameworks 5.23 in backports
[13:58] <ahoneybun> are they in?
[13:59] <soee_> yes https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=xenial
[14:03] <ahoneybun> soee_: I
[14:03] <ahoneybun> I'll put something together
[14:10] <ahoneybun> clivejo: holy crap they fixed the currency bug!
[14:11] <KurousagiMK2> ffmpegthumbs from Kubuntu CI Unstable work on Yakkety http://imgur.com/02uHqnn
 So KDE wants to do LTS releases
 It might be a good idea us for 16
 16.04
[14:55] <yofel> I already replied to that
[14:56] <yofel> feel free to add anything you think I missed
[14:56] <yofel> and that will only matter for us for 18.04, 16.04 is out and on Plasma 5.5
[15:01] <yofel> (just for the IRC record: I agree that it would be a good idea)
[15:19] <yofel> hm.... actually. If 5.8 becomes LTS, that would be a great point to freeze our 16.04 backports at
[15:20] <yofel> and do the same for every intermittent LTS in the future
 how can I get the list of packages that are to be installed as a dependency when I install something?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> IrcsomeBot:  install muon and use it as a depends reference
 Rofl
 I'm testing Internet LTE
 50 Mb upload and 8Mb download
 Eh 50 download and 8 upload
 I need a script to extract the dependencies that are not installed of gcc, install gcc, install some python modules, uninstall gcc and the found dependencies
[16:42] <marco-parillo> apt-cache depends PACKAGENAME
 Cheaper than weird that is mac 10
 maarco-parillo that only brings the imediate (direct) dependencies
[16:43] <marco-parillo> Surely there is an -r --recursive option ;-)
[16:45] <marco-parillo> --recurse
[16:47] <marco-parillo> apt-cache --recurse depends gcc got me a lot of output. I am not sure I could make sense of it.
[16:47] <acheronuk> or perhaps 'apt-get install gcc -s'
[16:48] <acheronuk> does a dry run, including listing all packages that would be installed and configured, but does not do it
 I can compare the apt-cache outputi with what's installed already
 but that I believe brings in more than what apt install gcc would bring, I believe
 apt install gcc -s seems better
 counting ...
[16:50] <acheronuk> messy output for what you want, but could be filtered/parsed
 final result: apt-get install gcc -s | grep "Inst " | cut -c6- | cut -f 1 -d " " | sort
 thank you
 even better: apt-get install gcc -s | grep "Inst " | cut -f 2 -d " " | sort
 removed one cut
[16:55] <BluesKaj> muon works without all the hassle :-)
[16:56] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: not that you can use for a script though
[16:57] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: think I'll make a note of that one-liner. could be handy :)
 now I wonder how can I pass it to apt remove
[16:58] <BluesKaj> it's quick enough and i prefer it to aliases or what i consider uneccessary key strokes
 apt-get install gcc -s | grep "Inst " | cut -f 2 -d " " > gcc-deps.txt
 I did that
 BluesKaj, but can you run it on a server?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> my server is just media stuff
[17:01] <BluesKaj> i'm a home user, no need for admin
 acheronuk look:
 apt remove cat gcc-deps.txt | tr "\n" " "
 apt remove $(cat gcc-deps.txt | tr "\n" " ")
[17:04] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: that works? I wanted to pass a package list a while back to apt, but ended up doing it by hand.
[17:06] <acheronuk> as it was just that once
 yes
 it works
 I've just tested it
 only that I use backticks instead of $()
 but telegram made a mess of it
 so I sent it twice
[19:28] <valorie> hmmm, kde-spectacle doesn't look safe to install still: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18120096/
[19:40] <clivejo> valorie: should be okay
[19:46] <valorie> I'm a weenie with this machine, which I probably should not have put YY on
[19:47] <valorie> because now I'm afraid to upgrade
[19:47] <valorie> if I fix my broken laptop, I'll have more confidence
[19:53] <clivejo> wait, why is it version 15.12.3-0ubuntu1
[19:53] <clivejo> should be 16.04.3
[19:54] <clivejo> is this on yakkety?
[19:55] <acheronuk> yakkety without any ppas by the sound of it
[19:57] <clivejo> !info kde-spectacle
[19:57] <clivejo> oh, 16.04.3 must be in proposed
[20:00] <acheronuk> 15.12.3-0ubuntu2 in proposed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-spectacle
[20:01] <clivejo> Im confused
[20:01] <clivejo> so very very confused
[20:04] <acheronuk> distracted sounds more like it
[20:06] <valorie> yes, YY with no PPAs
[20:06] <valorie> atm
[20:07] <yofel> valorie: that looks not fine
[20:07] <yofel> ah ok, yy
[20:08] <valorie>  which is why I did nothing
[20:08] <clivejo> kde-spectacle_16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 <= 4:16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1
[20:09] <clivejo> ah
[20:09] <clivejo> grrr
[20:09] <acheronuk> I've held back from running YY on any real machine so far, as there are some odd package probs
[20:11] <valorie> it's been good so far, but I hesitate to upgrade at this point
[20:12] <acheronuk> plus I'd quite like to keep the option to add neon repos to my Xenial machines for the time being, if only for the short term to test stuff
[20:12] <valorie> I'm assuming that my gray-screen prob on the "old" laptop running YY is because of a driver issue
[20:12] <valorie> but haven't had time to investigate how to fix it
[20:12] <acheronuk> nvidia graphics at all?
[20:13] <valorie> um
[20:13] <valorie> can't remember
[20:14] <valorie> I need to take it to #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1 I think
[20:30] <jimarvan> hey peeps :D
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> Hiya jimarvan
[20:31] <jimarvan> i see lots of updates in the backports :D
[20:31] <jimarvan> sick_rimmit: feeling awesome for tomorrow? ;0
 Cool, I think I have all my gear working now, and Yofel set me up with a build server
[20:34] <jimarvan> sounds like a plan!
[20:35] <clivejo> !info libkf5grantleetheme5
[20:43] <yofel> oh lol, got auto-synced from debian :D
[20:43] <yofel> and they have no epoch, <insert scream here>
[23:08] <soee_> clivejo: ping
[23:09] <clivejo> pong
[23:09] <soee_> clivejo: this thumbnail works now ?
[23:09] <clivejo> not on mine
[23:10] <soee_> ok, clivejothere are 2 reds in Apps 16.04.2 - this is how it should be ? (kioslave, minuet)
[23:11] <clivejo> yeah
[23:11] <clivejo> they need looked at
[23:11] <soee_> clivejo: got it, can we backport it now ?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> soee_: not at the moment
[23:14] <clivejo> soee_: sure, work away
[23:14] <clivejo> Im busy for a few days
 Ok
[23:36] <clivejo> ahoneybun: reboot reboot reboot
[23:37] <clivejo> no backsies :P


[00:13] <crashsystems> nope
[17:42] <jbander> I have a problem in ubuntu1104 my sound just quit ,it works in windows if I boot it to windows but not in ubuntu ,can someone help me
[17:49] <mhall119> jbander: did you check your volume level in Ubuntu?
[17:50] <mhall119> some cards I've seen default to either muted or very low volume after an install
[17:51] <jbander> how do i do that werte do i go
[17:52] <jbander> it has woked for the last 6 months in ubuntu
[17:53] <jbander> wheres the volume control
[17:55] <jbander> thank you it was muted somehow


[04:36] <prout> I'm looking for pointers to get touchscreen to work on a surface book.
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> prout: surface book you can install ubuntu-desktop, not ubuntu-touch
[04:41] <prout> lotuspsychje: yes, I have ubuntu installed. But really missing touch. Are there any drivers/config/HOWTOs to make it work?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> prout: what kind of ubuntu version did you install?
[04:42] <prout> Desktop 17.04
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> prout: come to #ubuntu and ask about it
[04:45] <prout> ok; thx
[10:46] <CoderEurope> PaulW2U,  g-day !
[22:05] <hwpplayer1> hi friends


[01:46] <FearNotMan> I have a weird problem, and I'm hoping you guys can help me.  When I installed, I selected the full disk encryption with LVM option.  Everything worked great for a while.  Now for some reason when I boot up I am not asked for a key to decrypt the encrypted portion, but rather Gnome tries to start up and then displays the screen in the picture on this question:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/286284/system-no-longer-boots-sus
[01:46] <FearNotMan> pected-grub-kernel-config-file-messed-up
[01:46] <FearNotMan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/286284/system-no-longer-boots-suspected-grub-kernel-config-file-messed-up
[01:47] <FearNotMan> Any ideas why it wouldn't ask me for my key?
[03:12] <stuzor> so I am probably the 100th person to ask but as I haven't been able to find any clear information here goes. Am I going to hate life if I upgrade my ubuntu gnome remix 12.10 to 13.4 via the software upgrader?
[03:28] <darkxst> stuzor, should work fine, but purge any ppa's first
[03:29] <stuzor> whoops, already started. It appears to have disabled some of the third party PPA's anyways. Good to know though, thanks
[03:29] <darkxst> stuzor, it disables them, but there can be issues if packages are not removed also!
[03:30] <stuzor> hmm, I just canceled it. I will look into doing this.
[05:07] <Bijan> Hi i have gubuntu 12.10 how can i upgrade to gubuntu 13.04
[05:17] <Bijan> tnx all of you!!!! seems no one is here
[07:14] <AdonisK> Am I the only one that doesn't have the "notifications" option in system settings?
[07:15] <darkxst> AdonisK, that is only in 3.8 (which is only in the staging ppa right now)
[07:15] <AdonisK> ohh, I see
[09:01] <darkxst> seems my mirror hasn't discovered the saucy salamander yet :(
[10:31] <ricotz> darkxst, just edit your sources.list
[10:32] <ricotz> darkxst, i recommend to add saucy lines and not remove the raring ones
[10:32] <ricotz> especially not the updates/security raring lines
[11:28] <vramana> I have recently installed gnome 3.8 but I didn't like I wanted to remove it by http://askubuntu.com/questions/65200/remove-gnome-shell-completely-after-installing-it and even this Accidentally I removed NitroTasks software I think I might have removed some other programs as well
[11:28] <vramana> Is there any way to remove all other packages other than default ones that comes with Ubuntu 13.04 ??
[11:38] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh that is what I did, had to change mirror though
[13:20] <NewUser_> Hi I need help
[13:21] <NewUser_> What is the correct way to upgrade gnome 3.6 to 3.8 in Ubuntu-Gnome 13.04?
[13:23] <tommie-lie> NewUser_: "add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3", "apt-get update" and finally "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[13:23] <NewUser_> Tnx - 1 more thing : is it safe / stable ?
[13:38] <piotr> hi
[13:39] <piotr> I was trying to fix up network problem and /etc/init.d/networking restart crashed my gnome 3, now system start up with console mode
[13:41] <piotr> Is any way to fix it ?
[16:31] <napo> when upgrading gnome from 3.6 to 3.8 is the staging ppa necessary? I have tried without it but i realise that for eg System Settings does not have icons for Privacy and a few others
[18:26] <c_smith> so, looks like my issue with HDMI not being detected in sound is a known issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1169984
[18:27] <c_smith> one solution is simply upgrading the kernel to the 3.8.8 version from mainline.
[20:33] <Rodrigo> Is someone here?
[20:38] <Rodrigo> When I change the theme by adding a folder in ~/.themes, Firfox uses ugly square buttons.
[20:39] <Rodrigo> It does not change the top of windows too like in regular Ubuntu.
[23:29] <atrus> anybody seeing an issue where you can't alt-tab past the first 2 applications running? the alt-tab selector just stops on the 2nd icon...
[23:32] <atrus> weird. "switch applications" was bound to "super-tab" alt-tab was set to "switch windows", which didn't work.
[23:34] <darkxst> atrus, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1173119


[06:34] <geochr> !lococuncil Good morning from Greece...
[06:35] <geochr> I'am trying to create a wiki page about Greek team re-verification but i can't do it that, because i receive the following message "You are not allowed to edit this page."
[06:35] <geochr> !lococouncil
[06:57] <tsimonq2> geochr: it's locked to people in a specific Launchpad group due to spamming
[06:58] <tsimonq2> geochr: apply to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[07:14] <geochr> tsimonq2, thanks for the info! is there an irc channel about?
[07:15] <tsimonq2> geochr: all of the people that could approve you are sleeping right now
[07:16] <tsimonq2> geochr: I would wait until Monday or Tuesday and then ask again
[07:18] <tsimonq2> geochr: in the meantime, I would apply and wait
[07:18] <tsimonq2> sorry
[07:18] <tsimonq2> geochr: I can also make the changes for you if you email me the page and edits you want<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <geochr> ok thnaks. i want to create new page, so i must edit many times.
[07:22] <geochr> tsimonq2, thanks for your response


[00:19]  * jdong would like to point motu-sru and those interested in SRU's in general to read pitti's comment: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/295040/comments/14
[00:20] <jdong> I agree with the message wholeheartedly; it doesn't matter if something's called 1.34-0ubuntu1.1 or 1.35-0ubuntu0.1.... it's all about what it does and how it fits with the goals of SRUs
[00:36] <ScottK-laptop> jdong: Sure thing.  Look at what clamav we released Intrepid with and what it has now ...
[00:36]  * jdong nods
[00:36] <jdong> I'd like to do the same thing for VLC, but am wading through quite a bit of unnecessary or "unnecessary" packaging changes since 0..9.4
[00:37] <jdong> the latter definition of "unnecessary" is probably 'it fixes some obscure bug I don't understand yet'
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> fixes/causes, but sure.
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> It is VLC after all.
[00:38] <jdong> meh I don't expect VLC users to find little bugs here and there to be a surprise anyway :)
[00:39] <jdong> or a security problem every other week...
[00:39] <jdong> so far thank goodness -fstack-protector has simply kept the bugs down to DoS annoyances.
[00:40] <__iron> hi
[00:40] <__iron> just a question to mailinglist
[00:43] <__iron> is it desired to introduce himself on mailinglist ?
[01:16] <jmarsden> What is the rationale for there being an application that has source packages in Universe, but apparently no binary packages according to rmadison?  Is this "normal"?  (I'm looking at argus )
[01:17]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[01:18] <ScottK-laptop> jmarsden: Try rmadison argus-server
[01:18] <jmarsden> Ah... OK.  Thanks.
[01:18] <ScottK-laptop> The rationale is rmadison only looks up the package name you give it.  If the binary is named differently, it doesn't show up.
[01:20] <jmarsden> OK.  There's no way to search on partial package names (other than apt-cache search) ?
[01:23]  * jdong curses skype
[01:23] <jdong> [   81.368501] type=1503 audit(1228608776.425:11): operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" fsuid=1000 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=6648 profile="/usr/bin/skype"
[01:23] <jdong> please don't touch that....
[01:23] <jdong> [   81.780716] type=1503 audit(1228608776.834:12): operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=1000 name="/home/jdong/Private/.mozilla/" pid=6653 profile="/usr/bin/skype"
[01:23] <jdong> or that either.
[01:23] <jdong> fortunately, it doesn't crash when I don't let it figure out what kind of CPU I have, my /proc/net/dev list, or my Mozilla profiles.
[03:00] <emgent> someone know in what package is Gtk.pm ?
[03:01] <emgent> ah found.
[03:04] <jdong> emgent: as a long-time contributor it's probably in your interest to keep apt-file around and updated on your machine :)
[03:04] <emgent> jdong: yeah found it
[03:05] <emgent> but my perl script was a little issue
[03:05] <emgent> heheh
[03:05] <emgent> now i found it. and i fixed perl script too.
[03:07] <kees> ScottK-laptop: I wonder if we could package clamav in ubuntu to take advantage of upstart so that clamd-killing-DoS vulns just cause it to restart?
[03:08] <jdong> kees: do we have a set of packaging conventions yet how to or if to use upstart event files?
[03:08] <jdong> I'd like to see more upstart work done :)
[03:08] <jdong> *pokes UDS people*
[03:09] <kees> jdong: all i have is examples from Keybuk's blog.  :P
[03:10] <jdong> haha :)
[03:10] <jdong> that's a bit out of date-ish too :)
[03:11] <jdong> the job format AFAIK is due to change soon-ish
[03:11] <jdong> hence why I wanted to know what's the big-picture roadmap for adopting Upstart
[03:11] <kees> me too.  :P
[03:11] <kees> I'll ask him at UDS
[03:11] <jdong> awesomeness
[03:11] <jdong> blame it on me if necessary, I just want to see more Upstart in jaunty!
[03:12] <kees> hehe
[03:54] <ScottK> kees: Interesting idea.
[11:30] <zerwas> I don't know if this is the right place for my question - i will try it: Would it be O.K. to have a package of a p2p system (namely http://freenetproject.org ), that has an integrated update system and let it use this update system?
[11:33] <laga> it's usually not OK
[11:33] <laga> AFAIK :)
[11:34] <zerwas> laga> the problem is that freenet always needs the latest builds to stay usable. and it's an anonymous network so every time a new build would come out, one would have to update through the package management, which is non-anonymous
[11:35] <RainCT> zerwas: how often are there updates?
[11:36] <zerwas> hm, depends. in the last time 3 times a week, sometimes a few weeks without updates
[11:37] <tombee> How would I go about actually getting involved with development?  I've read the wiki about MOTU :)
[11:37] <zerwas> it's still Freenet 0.7 though
[11:38] <laga> zerwas: and how is getting the .deb initially "anonymous"?
[11:39] <zerwas> it isn't, that's the problem
[11:39] <RainCT> tombee: look for a bug and fix it :)
[11:40] <tombee> RainCT: I'm really a beginner to development :P looking to learn
[11:41] <tombee> Struggling to find an IDE I even like, used vim mostly before, but now my projects are becoming more complex it becomes more difficult to handle the files this way
[11:41] <RainCT> tombee: do you want to contribute with packaging or coding?
[11:42] <tombee> Ideally coding, but I'm not sure my skills would be immediatly up to scratch.
[11:43] <RainCT> tombee: for coding the best would be to choose a project to which you want to contribute and get involved there. MOTU is about packaging
[11:44] <tombee> Hehe I see ok :) Was just pointed in this direction with the 'beginning to get involved', thanks anyway :)
[11:45] <zerwas> laga> so, what do you suggest in which way i should build the package?
[11:46] <laga> zerwas: well, how is the problem "i can't download the package anonymously" different from " i can't update the package anonymously"?
[11:49] <zerwas> laga> what i meant was: if one can see publicly when someone installs new build it might reduce the anonymity. But this problem is only second-tier. a package that would not use the update mechanism would be useless one week after jaunty got released
[11:51] <laga> zerwas: yeah. maybe you can get a standing exception
[11:53] <zerwas> that would be nice. i haven't found a better solution up to now
[11:56] <laga> i'd suggest asking on the MOTU mailing list, explaining the problem etc.
[11:57] <zerwas> okay. am i allowed to write on this ml without being a MOTU myself?
[11:57] <laga> yes, but you need to subscribe AFAIK
[11:57] <laga> if you don't subscribe, your mails will be moderated
[11:58] <laga> i think ;)
[11:58] <zerwas> k. thank you very much for your help so far :)
[12:02] <anakron> Hi ALL
[12:02] <anakron> Hi RainCT
[12:02] <RainCT> hi :)
[12:02] <anakron> :) i found another one
[12:02] <RainCT> yeah, I've seen
[12:05] <anakron> i have one question
[12:05] <anakron> a tool called nss-updatedb is designed to work with libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap
[12:06] <anakron> but they dont appear in suggests or depends
[12:06] <anakron> and it cant work fine without these libs
[12:06] <anakron> so, i want to make a patch for it :) changing dependencies+
[12:06] <anakron> can you help me?
[12:07] <RainCT> anakron: It's pretty much like your first patch. But I'd recommend asking in #ubuntu-server before you touch this (to be sure that the change is appropriate)
[12:07] <anakron> ok :)
[12:28] <anakron> RainCT, I can
[13:21] <DRebellion> Are there plans to backport lintian 2.0.1 from jaunty-> intrepid? Currently intrepid is using 2.0.0.
[13:57] <DRebellion> Sorry, I meant to say that the jaunty version of lintian is 2.1.0, not 2.0.1
[13:58] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[13:58] <pmjdebruijn> I'm trying to package something which uses the CC-BY-SA-3 license, but it's not included in /usr/share/common-licenses
[13:58] <pmjdebruijn> how should I handle this?
[13:59] <RainCT> pmjdebruijn: include it in debian/copyright
[13:59] <azeem> you'll have to quote the whole license in debian/copyright then
[13:59] <pmjdebruijn> verbatim?
[13:59] <RainCT> yes
[13:59] <pmjdebruijn> hmmm
[13:59] <pmjdebruijn> isn't it about time CC licenses got included in common-licenses?
[14:01] <ScottK-laptop> pmjdebruijn: No.  There isn't a huge amount of software licensed under CC.  The only real reason to add stuff is to save significant space in the archive.
[14:01] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[14:36] <DRebellion> sebner, Thanks for taking a look at cifer; I've fixed the issues you raised: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=cifer .
[14:38] <sebner> DRebellion: np, changes look good so far, in the evening I'll do a second review and then maybe advocate it
[14:45] <pmjdebruijn> hmmm, pbuilder included with intrepid, doesn't do jaunty...
[15:00] <DRebellion> pmjdebruijn, enable intrepid-backports
[15:01] <pmjdebruijn> DRebellion: I just did
[15:02] <DRebellion> pmjdebruijn, and it works now?
[15:03] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait, I need to update debootstrap as well
[15:03] <DRebellion> pmjdebruijn, yep
[15:04] <pmjdebruijn> it works now
[15:14] <pmjdebruijn> one of the copyright holders of a package I'm trying to make, does not publish his email adres... should I include a link to his "contact page/form" online?
[15:23] <rjune_> I would say ask him
[15:58] <lidaobing> help review iptux 0.4.2-0ubuntu1(new package): http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4186
[17:16] <fta_uds> hi
[17:27] <RainCT> hey
[17:27] <RainCT> has UDS already started?
[17:27] <fta_uds> nope
[17:27] <iulian> Tomorrow.
[17:28] <fta> sorry :)
[17:28] <sebner> fta: haha, one day to early :P
[17:28] <RainCT> iulian: I know.. I'm asking for the case there's some timezone weirdness :P
[17:28] <RainCT> fta: heh
[17:28] <fta> that's the one nick for all channels effect ;)
[17:29] <sebner> RainCT: well California is -9h so it's also sunday there :P
[17:31] <StevenK> It's Sunday, 9:30am currently.
[17:31] <StevenK> And California is -0800
[17:31] <RainCT> sebner: ^^
[17:32] <rjune_> fta: is ogra about?
[17:32] <sebner> StevenK: well I'm not from the UK so -9h :P
[17:32] <StevenK> sebner: It's -19h from where I live
[17:33]  * RainCT slaps sebner :P
[17:33] <fta> lol
[17:33] <RainCT> let's agree that it is "Pacific Standard Time (PST) -0800 UTC"
[17:33] <RainCT> :P
[17:33]  * sebner hides
[17:34] <sebner> RainCT: math is calling :P
[17:34] <RainCT> sebner: you can't hide from them, Google is watching you :P
[17:34] <RainCT> meh
[18:45] <sebner> NCommander: aloha, is it allowed to add license headers with a patch(-system)?
[18:45] <NCommander> sebner, w.r.t. to what?
[18:47] <sebner> NCommander: we don't accept source files with no license headers which means new upstrem release is necessary, I'm wondering if you can work around it with a patch (debian/pathes) which adds the license headers to the source files
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> I wouldn't think so unless they have been added in an upstream svn/git/whatever
[18:47] <NCommander> I would REJECT if I was an archive admin
[18:47] <NCommander> As a rule of thumb, unless there is a technical reason or a file is uncopyrightable, the headers should go in it
[18:47] <sebner> kay
[18:48] <NCommander> If upstream is allowing you to add the headers and will add it in SVN/GIT
[18:48] <NCommander> Repack the source tarball using DFSG, then note the reason iN README.source, and (optionally) in debian/changelog
[18:48] <NCommander> *DFSG versioning
[18:49] <sebner> NCommander: I see, there is a bad boy with no license headers and after my complains (revu) he added them himself -.-
[18:49] <sebner> NCommander: where bad boy = upstream too
[18:49] <Elbrus> does anybody now documentation about how to do bootstrapping for packaging? I think bug 67544 needs that, and I can look somewhat into that if I find documentation.
[18:50] <Elbrus> it works in debian
[18:50] <Elbrus> (apparently
[18:50] <sebner> Elbrus: NCommander is the FTBFS guy :P
[18:51] <sebner> anyway thx for your help NCommander and JontheEchidna
[18:51] <NCommander> fpc has issues on PowerPC last I saw
[18:52] <Elbrus> NCommander: but it looks like it works for Debian: http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=fpc
[18:53] <jdong> Amperage: -854
[18:53] <jdong> now what would it take to mae Linux do that too?
[18:54] <Elbrus> jdong: you can make money that way,
[18:55] <jdong> I am guessing the equivalent Linux solution is get a bigger battery.
[18:55] <NCommander> lol
[18:56] <jdong> AFAIK OS X isn't even a tickless kernel... I'm curious as to how it pulls off more than a 2W improvement compared to Linux
[18:56] <jdong> and that's after I've optimized my Linux setup the best i could; ASPM/ALPM
[18:57] <NCommander> jdong, OS X has a lot of the default services disabled to prevent things from paging out and thus it can spin down the HDD
[18:57] <NCommander> thus the better power usage curve
[18:57] <jdong> disk idling only results in about 0.4W savings here.
[18:57] <jdong> i.e. full spindown
[18:57] <jdong> I boot Ubuntu into casper to RAM
[18:57] <jdong> the disk is spun down 45s into initial boot
[18:58] <jdong> 11.5W wifi on, 11.2W wifi off
[18:58] <jdong> on OS X when I turn wifi off the battery meter jumps into the 6:30 arena
[18:59] <jdong> 22 minute uptime, currently at 92%
[18:59] <jdong> tat's roughly 300 minutes total runtime including the bootup flurry
[18:59] <jdong> so the battery meter isn't lying right now
[19:06] <DRebellion> sebner, hi! About the RPATH issue with cifer: neither i or my co-developer are running amd64 machines, so we can't use chrpath to test amd64 binaries from my ppa. Am I right in thinking that a simple call to chrpath like this, << chrpath --delete $(CURDIR)/debian/cifer/usr/bin/cifer >> will get rid of the RPATHs and solve the issue?
[19:07] <DRebellion> I guess I need to build-depends on chrpath as well?
[19:08] <sebner> DRebellion: right =)
[19:08] <DRebellion> sebner, great : )
[19:08] <sebner> DRebellion: you don't need an amd64 machine. you can download the amd64 binary from your ppa, unpack it and when you run chrpath on the binary it'll complain
[19:08] <DRebellion> sebner, exactly
[19:09] <DRebellion> so i can't --list them
[19:09] <sebner> DreamThief: list?
[19:09] <DRebellion> sebner, I downloaded from my ppa, extracted, and ran << chrpath --list ./usr/bin/cifer >>. It said: simrun@simrun-desktop:~/cifer-amd64/usr/bin$ chrpath --list cifer
[19:09] <DRebellion> `cifer' probably isn't a 32-bit LSB-first ELF file.
[19:09] <DRebellion> elf_open: Exec format error
[19:10] <sebner> DRebellion: that means it has a rpatch issue, if you run chrpath on an i386 binary it won't complain
[19:10] <DRebellion> sebner, oh right. Ok then.
[19:10] <sebner> DRebellion: and you don't need the --list option :)
[19:12] <DRebellion> sebner, btw, I don't need to check this build with DH_VERBOSE=1 because you already have?
[19:12] <sebner> DRebellion: yes, it was just a side note for the future
[19:13] <DRebellion> sebner, ok, fixed those issues, now building. I'll let you know when its in revu again.
[19:13] <sebner> DRebellion: ok, you maybe again want to upload it to your PPA and recheck the amd64 binary
[19:14] <DRebellion> sebner, yep, just a slight pain as i'll have to fork into two packages to bump the version number for the ppa :(
[19:35] <bluefoxicy> did somebody pull Quake from the repos?
[19:43] <DRebellion> sebner, ok, the ppa build is published. Downloaded the amd64 deb, extracted, ran chrpath:
[19:43] <DRebellion> simrun@simrun-desktop:~/cifer-amd64/usr/bin$ chrpath cifer
[19:43] <DRebellion> `cifer' probably isn't a 32-bit LSB-first ELF file.
[19:43] <DRebellion> elf_open: Exec format error
[19:43] <DRebellion> are you sure chrpath built for i386 can read amd64 binaries?
[19:57] <Aggro> I got a package in Debian called Cppcheck and I would like to package it for Ubuntu. Is there some easy way to re-using existing work, or do I need to read Ubuntu's manuals about packaging and re-do everything (possibly reusing existing files?)
[19:57] <Aggro> I'm not afraid of work, just want to make sure before I start working that I'm not doing something stupid ;)
[19:57] <nhandler> Aggro: If it is in Debian, it will get synced into Ubuntu
[19:58] <Aggro> nhandler: I don't need to do anything? It is automated process?
[19:58] <Aggro> nhandler: I am the package maintainer for it in Debian
[19:58] <nhandler> Up until DIF it is automated.
[19:58] <Elbrus> nhandler: DIF= Debian import freeze???
[19:59] <nhandler> Correct Elbrus
[19:59] <nhandler> After that, you have to manually request a sync
[19:59] <Aggro> I made a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/306042
[19:59] <Aggro> "please sync package cppcheck from debian Unstable"
[20:00] <nhandler> Aggro: When did you upload it in Debian?
[20:00] <Aggro> nhandler: It was accepted to Unstable yesterday I think
[20:00] <Aggro> nhandler: But it has been in the queue for 3 weeks or so
[20:00] <nhandler> Aggro: You don't need a bug report. The package should make its way into Ubuntu within the week
[20:01] <Aggro> I already made a bug report, should I undo it?
[20:01] <Aggro> The wiki page was a bit misleading
[20:01] <Aggro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[20:01] <nhandler> Aggro: I would just close the bug report. There is no need for it
[20:01] <Aggro> "For packages in Debian, but not in Ubuntu file a bug..."
[20:01] <nhandler> Where is that?
[20:02] <Aggro> nhandler: The url was given in my previous message
[20:02] <nhandler> Aggro: Yeah, the wiki page should probably be modified. I'll change it now
[20:03] <crimsun> Aggro: likely will be synced within the next 72 hours
[20:03] <Aggro> But the progress is automated? All are Debian packages in Ubuntu? I had a feeling that there were less in Ubuntu?
[20:04] <crimsun> Aggro: just about every source from Debian is in Ubuntu.  There are a few that are blacklisted.
[20:04] <crimsun> Aggro: yes, up until DI, the process is automated (and thus the progress, too, I suppose).
[20:04] <Aggro> nice
[20:04] <crimsun> DIF*
[20:06] <Aggro> nhandler: If I close the bug, what status should I set?
[20:06] <nhandler> Aggro: I just updated the wiki page
[20:06] <Aggro> invalid?
[20:06] <DRebellion> sebner, i'm going to go ahead and upload the updated package to revu, as i can't test if using chrpath was a success. if there is still a problem, let me know.
[20:06] <nhandler> Yeah, invalid is fine
[20:06] <Elbrus> when do packages propogate from jaunty-released to jaunty?
[20:07] <Elbrus> s/released/release
[20:07] <geser> jaunty-release?
[20:07] <nhandler> Aggro: Could you take another look at the wiki page and let me know if it is more clear now?
[20:07] <Elbrus> that's where winff is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/winff
[20:08] <Aggro> nhandler: You might want to clarify when is Debian Import Freeze (DIF), how does the person who is reading that know.
[20:08] <Aggro> E.g. I have no idea when it is
[20:08] <nhandler> Aggro: Good idea. I guess I can link to the Release Schedule for Jaunty
[20:09] <Aggro> nhandler: What about if the person is ready to wait until the freeze is over?
[20:09] <Aggro> nhandler: Then there is no need to submit a bug either?
[20:09] <crimsun> Elbrus: that is jaunty proper.
[20:09] <nhandler> Aggro: DIF is in effect until after the official release.
[20:10] <Elbrus> Aggro: right, but then it will take an extra release before it is available
[20:10] <nhandler> If they are willing to wait until the next Ubuntu release, no bug is needed
[20:10] <geser> Elbrus: I don't know if "release" has any meaning there
[20:10] <Elbrus> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=winff doesn't show anything...
[20:10] <geser> Elbrus: winff is in DEPWAIT: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/winff/+builds
[20:10] <Elbrus> aha.
[20:11] <sebner> DRebellion: ok, and yes I'm sure that chrpath built for i386 can read amd64 binaries though it seems it wasn't sucessful in your case
[20:11] <sebner> hi geser =
[20:11] <sebner> =)
[20:11] <geser> Hi sebner
[20:11] <geser> Elbrus: and the successfull builds are in the NEW queue
[20:11] <Elbrus> geser: you mean everything except  i386 and amd64?
[20:12] <geser> yes
[20:12] <DRebellion> sebner, hmm, that's strange... anyway i've fixed all the issues it seems then.
[20:12] <Elbrus> lazarus-ide doesn't (or shouldnot) exist on ppc
[20:12] <geser> if winff exist only i386 and amd64 you just need to wait till it gets NEWed
[20:12] <nhandler> Aggro: The page now mentions when DIF is for jaunty
[20:13] <Elbrus> geser: well, it will build on all systems (I hope) where lazarus-ide builds... (Arch is any)
[20:14] <Aggro> nhandler: Should the timeline (week)? be added there also?
[20:14] <Aggro> nhandler: How long it should take before it is not normal
[20:14] <nhandler> Aggro: I don't think the week will mean anything to most people
[20:15] <nhandler> I think a date is fine
[20:15] <nhandler> If they really care about it, they can click on the link to the release schedule
[20:15] <Aggro> nhandler: I mean the "it should be there within 1 week"
[20:16] <nhandler> Aggro: The one week thing isn't exact. It could be less/more than a week.
[20:17] <Aggro> nhandler: So it is not a cron script? ;)
[20:17] <Aggro> But it should be obvious enough not to fool me as it is now
[20:17] <nhandler> Aggro: It might be a cron script, I honestly cannot remember how they handle the automated syncs.
[20:18] <Aggro> nhandler: Thanks for your help, this was much simpler than I thought. I'm glad I didn't start making a package of it again ;)
[20:18] <nhandler> geser: Any idea when you will be able to review my application?
[20:18] <nhandler> Aggro: You are welcome. Glad to have helped
[23:35] <jdong> siretart: what are your opinions on simply copying VLC 0.9.8a into intrepid-security?
[23:36] <jdong> I've only briefly looked at the diff and it doesn't look too bad
[23:53] <RAOF> Hm.  Thinking of SRUs.  Any motu-sru's around?  It'd be nice to have some guidance on bug #287332
[23:55]  * jdong looks
[23:57] <jdong> jeez
[23:57] <jdong> gonna need a moment to ponder this one :)
[23:57] <RAOF> Basically, there are two options: new upstream version, breaking API and ABI, or trying to patch in support for new e-d-s without breaking either.
[23:58] <jdong> primary rdepends seem to be Beagle and Tasque?
[23:58] <RAOF> And gnome-do-plugins, and one other.
[23:59] <RAOF> gfax, that's it.
[23:59] <jdong> mmmkay and have we tested whether or not those things migrate properly, like build against the new evo-sharp?
[23:59] <RAOF> Not yet, actually.  I'll do that now.
[23:59] <jdong> I see beagle and tasque tested
[23:59] <jdong> Pedro seems to have done those
[23:59] <RAOF> Nifty.  I'll do gnome-do-plugins.
[23:59] <jdong> if the other two work, I'll be positive on the idea :)