[10:54] <sabdfl> JaneW: how do i edit that edubuntu announcement?
[10:55] <sabdfl> i don't see a login link, or an edit one
[10:55] <sabdfl> \sh: thanks a lot for your help in the delivery room!
[10:55] <infinity> Login is right above the search box.
[10:55] <\sh> sabdfl: thx :)
[10:55] <JaneW> sabdfl: there should be one, they did move the page earlier, are you looking at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement ?
[10:57] <sabdfl> JaneW: nevermindiamanidiot
[10:58] <sabdfl> oh
[10:58] <sabdfl> JaneW: why did the edubuntu wiki just lose its theme?
[10:59] <JaneW> sabdfl: JaneW hno73: I was just wondering if it is possible that the edubuntu wiki skin be triggered when accessing the edubuntu wiki through the edubuntu site? It seems to have to set the skin manually and then all ubuntu wiki pages use that skin....
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 JaneW: I think the way it works is that if you are logged in you can pick your own skin, irrespective of what URL you are surfing on
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 if you are logged out you get the edubuntu skin on wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 so new users comming in through edubuntu will get the new skin
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 try it in a browser that is not your default (like konq)
[10:59] <JaneW> hno73 and you'll see how new users see it
[10:59] <\sh> JaneW: and wow...the edubuntu new launched website..looks *great*...I'll ring my son today :) I think he will like it, too
[10:59] <JaneW> \sh: :)
[11:00] <highvoltage> \sh: i am pleased to announce that we have found the first easter egg on the edubuntu website :)
[11:00] <maswan> elmo: you sure you're not exhausting all your bandwidth?
[11:01] <hno73> It's all one big happy wiki now :)  The skin depends on your user pref if you are logged in or the URL if not
[11:01] <\sh> highvoltage: which is? :) will a child find it? ;)
[11:01] <highvoltage> i /msg'd it to you :)
[11:02] <JaneW> \sh: highvoltage and hno73 are to thank for our cool site and new wiki look :))
[11:03] <sabdfl> JaneW: ok, i've made my (small) changes
[11:04] <\sh> highvoltage / hno73: this design rocks :) nice icons and very usable design :)
[11:04] <Treenaks> have you seen all the fridges on the planet? :)
[11:05] <hno73> \sh: yepp the gartoon icons are quite cool :)
[11:05] <JaneW> sabdfl: great, thank-you. So can we send it out once ogra has confirmed that all images are fully tested and ready to roll?
[11:05] <jordi> JaneW: I love this screenshot :D
[11:05] <sabdfl> elmo: is that bandwidth topping off because of our equipment?
[11:05] <jordi> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenShots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=t_khangman.png
[11:06] <JaneW> jordi: yes it seems that's highvoltage's easter egg
[11:06] <highvoltage> accidental easter egg, but brilliant nontheless.
[11:06] <JaneW> jordi: it was unintentional though and if it is offensive we may need to remove it...
[11:06] <JaneW> :)
[11:07] <jordi> heh
[11:07] <JaneW> I think it's funny though
[11:07] <jordi> me too :)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> haha
[11:15] <moyogo> i keep getting /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context' when I try to compile something requiring ligpango
[11:15] <moyogo> libpango*
[11:16] <infinity> That's what pkgconfig is for.
[11:17] <infinity> (I'm pretty sure that was fixed months ago, anyway)
[11:17] <infinity> moyogo : Which architecture.
[11:17] <moyogo> x86
[11:19] <infinity> moyogo : Are you using pkg-config, or just doing -lpangocairo manually?
[11:19] <moyogo> i'm using what's there, pkg-config
[11:20] <moyogo> i tried compiling libwnck or marlin and i get this error
[11:21] <infinity> moyogo : Looks like you want -lpangoft2-1.0
[11:22] <infinity> moyogo : Not sure why pangocairo doesn't "require" it in pkg-config, but too late now for breezy. :/
[11:22] <moyogo> how do i fix this here?
[11:23] <seb128> infinity: why the cairo version would require ft2?
[11:23] <seb128> moyogo: what is the bug? Do you have your source example somewhere?
[11:23] <infinity> seb128 : Because pangocairo has a reference to pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context, which is provided by pangoft2-1.0
[11:23] <moyogo> seb128: marlin or libwnck from cvs
[11:23] <seb128> moyogo: do you use jhbuild or something?
[11:24] <moyogo> no
[11:24] <moyogo> just the ubuntu dev packages
[11:24] <seb128> an ./autogen.sh && make ?
[11:24] <moyogo> yes
[11:25] <seb128> lemme try
[11:26] <moyogo> thanks a lot
[11:26] <dholbach> hey seb :)
[11:26] <seb128> hi dholbach
[11:27] <dholbach> happy badger-day :)
[11:27] <infinity> seb128 :
[11:27] <seb128> you too
[11:27] <infinity> (breezy)root@cthulhu:/usr/lib # for i in libpangocairo-1.0.so libpangoft2-1.0.so; do echo $i; nm -D $i | grep pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context; done
[11:27] <infinity> libpangocairo-1.0.so
[11:27] <infinity>          U pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context
[11:27] <infinity> libpangoft2-1.0.so
[11:27] <infinity> 00004bfc T pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context
[11:27] <infinity> seb128 : It's fairly obviously a bug to me, though odd that we never tripped on it.
[11:27] <seb128> infinity: yeah, I've nm -D them too
[11:27] <seb128> infinity: pangocairo require pango
[11:27] <infinity> Yes, but pango doesn't define that symbol.
[11:28] <infinity> And pango doesn't require pangoft2
[11:28] <moyogo> sorry i didn't report this earlier
[11:28] <infinity> (And it shouldn't anyway, since pangocairo is the only other lib with an undefined reference to that symbol)
[11:28] <seb128> I'm not convinced that's a bug
[11:29] <seb128> they do some weird stuff with pango to pick the variant (x/xft/cairo/...)
[11:29] <infinity> pango doesn't need pangoft2, but pangocairo appears to.
[11:29] <infinity> No other pango lib needs it.
[11:29] <poningru> hi
[11:29] <moyogo> make on marlin also errs : /usr/local//lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0: undefined reference to `_pango_engine_shape_covers'
[11:29] <poningru> I was asked to come back after 5.10 was released with a bunch of question
[11:29] <poningru> s
[11:30] <poningru> first where in the US is the repos mirror?
[11:30] <maswan> heh, I almost flatten the gigE on the first redirect host, just from i386 install isos. :)
[11:30] <poningru> second how big is a repos mirror?
[11:30] <fabbione> maswan: ehehe
[11:30] <seb128> moyogo: pango current CVS builds fine here
[11:30] <maswan> 75M/s
[11:31] <moyogo> seb128: yes pango build alright here too
[11:31] <maswan> and I _just_ started the redirects too
[11:31] <poningru> I was thinking about asking my uni to host the repos
[11:31] <maswan> half an hour ago or so
[11:31] <maswan> now lunch. back for more hacking in a bit
[11:31] <alisher> hi, does everybody know, how to contact shipit on xchat
[11:31] <infinity> seb128 : Try libwnck CVS against breezy pango.
[11:31] <Treenaks> alisher: shipit on xchat?!
[11:31] <Treenaks> alisher: shipit is a web page..
[11:31] <seb128> infinity: it's downloading
[11:32] <moyogo> infinity, seb128: i tried with breezy pango and cvs pango, same errors for libwnck or marlin
[11:32] <alisher> somebody who knows how shipit works
[11:32] <highvoltage> alisher: you mean, you want to order cd's via irc?
[11:32] <alisher> I ordered Breezy just some days after database opened
[11:32] <poningru> anyone?
[11:33] <seb128> infinity, moyogo: libwnck built fine
[11:33] <alisher> Now me and some friend both have a message
[11:33] <highvoltage> alisher: you can order cd's at shipit.ubuntu.com, and it will be delivered for free.
[11:33] <alisher> 2005-09-22: 15 CDs (sent to shipping company)
[11:33] <alisher> is it a mistake, or they are still shipping hoary, though i ordered breezy
[11:33] <moyogo> seb128: ... my breezy is broken then...
[11:34] <seb128> moyogo: since nobody else has the issue I'm tempted to say you borked it by installing stuff by hand :p
[11:34] <alisher> it is ok to me, if i still get breezy later, but is a wasting, since what will i do with these cds
[11:35] <poningru> so no one here knows about ubuntu repos mirror?
[11:35] <moyogo> seb128: i had cleans debs for either tho'... rrr... how can i fix this?
[11:35] <fabbione> poningru: it's all on the wiki
[11:35] <poningru> ?
[11:35] <fabbione> poningru: just look there
[11:35] <fabbione> poningru: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:35] <seb128> moyogo: clean debs of what?
[11:35] <fabbione> search for mirrors
[11:35] <poningru> my searching didnt give any details apart from an email address
[11:36] <alisher> thk you highvoltage, i laready run ubuntu for a while, just wanna know is any problem with the shipit database, or they still ship hoary
[11:36] <moyogo> seb128: well, maybe not so clean, debs of pango, one with a patch and cvs stuff, and breezy's
[11:37] <poningru> fabbione: ?
[11:37] <poningru> bazlocal mirrors?
[11:38] <fabbione> poningru: hold on a sec
[11:38] <poningru> k
[11:39] <fabbione> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/mirror/view?searchterm=mirror
[11:39] <seb128> moyogo: marlin CVS builds fine here
[11:40] <seb128> jdub: around?
[11:40] <poningru> fabbione: ic
[11:41] <moyogo> seb128: thanks
[11:44] <poningru> fabbione: do you know how big the package mirror is? I can see the bandwidth usage but not how much it would take up
[11:45] <fabbione> poningru: the archive is about 80G more or less
[11:45] <fabbione> poningru: i don't know the release site
[11:51] <seb128> moyogo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318750
[11:57] <maswan> In: 2826.78kB/s   Out: 116543.31kB/s   In: 2946.15kB/s   Out: 121231.41kB/s
[11:57] <pitti> wow - that's what I call bandwidth :-)
[11:58] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[11:58] <maswan> the normal ftp cluster
[11:58] <maswan> http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[11:59] <smurf> maswan: your dfinition of "normal" doesn't quite match mine then
[11:59] <maswan> farbror (cdimage.d.o) and the offload host
[11:59] <maswan> I'm going to start spreading the load a bit to the other offload host too
[11:59] <moyogo> seb128: thanks, i'll follow the bug
[12:00] <seb128> moyogo: np
[12:06] <sabdfl> thats.... wow.
[12:07] <sabdfl> blinkenlights
[12:14] <dredg> heanet also have a status page at http://ftp.heanet.ie/status/ for anyone interested
[12:22] <Diziet> I really need to find a way to persuade jigdo not to want to md5sum the whole of my local mirror each time.
[12:30] <Diziet> I need an IRC client with timestamps, too.
[12:30] <Diziet> janew: ping
[12:31] <Diziet> The EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement uses the word `distro' which is not correct formal English :-).
[12:37] <pitti> infinity: openssl breezy-security is not built; is this a katie or buildd problem?
[12:37] <pitti> elmo: ^
[12:37] <Diziet> What on earth is jigdo doing ?  I could have downloaded half the image by now.
[12:39] <pitti> Diziet: I have used jigdo for a year now without any problem - what do you try to do?
[12:39] <fabbione> Diziet: what did you manage to break today? ;)
[12:41] <pitti> Diziet: and why do you want jigdo to md5sum your mirror? do you *create* a jigdo file, or use one to download a CD?
[12:41] <Diziet> I'm trying to get jigdo-file to build an image.
[12:41] <Diziet> I _don't_ want it to md5sum my mirror; it's just decided to do that by itself.
[12:42] <pitti> Diziet: jigdo-lite http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/breezy-install-amd64.jigdo works just fine for me
[12:42] <pitti> Diziet: I usually tell it to scan the old image and /var/cache/apt/archives to speed up downloading, but that works fast (some seconds)
[12:43] <Diziet> I don't have an old image lying around.
[12:43] <fabbione> Diziet: use jigdo-lite
[12:43] <\sh> anything new on kubuntu dvd front? riddell told me to poke around a little ;)
[12:43] <pitti> well, scanning apt's cache should still help :-)
[12:43] <Diziet> Sorry, when I said `jigdo-file' I meant `jigdo-lite'.
[12:43] <fabbione> i am off
[12:44] <fabbione> later
[12:44] <sabdfl> pitti: thanks for the langpack update
[12:44] <\sh> cu fabbione :)
[12:44] <pitti> Hi sabdfl
[12:44] <Diziet> It wants to scan my whole mirror.  Which is very annoying, as my mirror is just a bunch of hardlinks to files whose canonical name is /export/mirror/Repository/data-md5/<md5sum-in-hex>
[12:44] <pitti> sabdfl: no problem, sorry for the delay
[12:44] <pitti> Diziet: ah, sure, if you ask it to scan that directory, it will :-)
[12:45] <Kamion> \sh: I missed Riddell's comment earlier that powerpc DVDs were working; I'll start publishing them now
[12:45] <Diziet> Oh, I just need to not tell it to scan it.
[12:45] <\sh> Kamion: rock :) so he'll be lucky when he'll wake up :)
[12:45] <segfault> Morning guys.
[12:46] <sabdfl> pitti: no problem. please work with carlos to try to get it 100% asap
[12:46] <pitti> sure
[12:46] <Diziet> Kamion: I have a question about BreezyTestPlan: `Hoary updates, from CD' suggests updating to hoary-updates but not hoary-security.  Is that really right ?
[12:46] <maswan> whee, getting close to those magical 2Gbit/s now
[12:47] <Diziet> I tried doing a hoary install in Dutch but (probably because I let it download language updates) it was already updated to hoary-security by the time the install had finished.
[12:47] <maswan> ~235MByte/s now
[12:48] <\sh> hmmm...
[12:48] <\sh> 28k for updating packages list
[12:49] <Kamion> Diziet: from the look of the table it appears to be deliberate; installs constructed by hand starting with debootstrap, or installs in which you answer "no" to "Download software from the Internet?" (expert mode) or boot with 'install apt-setup/network-updates=false' should avoid that
[12:50] <Kamion> but I don't think it's a critical test case, merely nice-to-have
[12:50] <maswan> \sh: we're trying to offload the isos to other hosts, but it takes a bit of time.
[12:51] <maswan> \sh: If I had gotten an exact time for the release a couple of days ahead, it woudl have been easier. :)
[12:51] <Kamion> I think we've *probably* caught most of the problems with the other upgrade cases
[12:52] <highvoltage> chmj: JaneW said she's going to bake an edubuntu cake, please help me put some pressure on her to keep to that ;)
[12:52] <tseng> nag her to update the cakes status on the wiki
[12:52] <tseng> does she have all the ingredients?
[12:53] <highvoltage> hehe. i would hope so.
[12:53] <ogra> highvoltage, that wont happen if i dont find a amd64 tester ...
[12:53] <ogra> morning all
[12:53] <highvoltage> well, at least her cake would be under a CC license, if it's on the wiki. then we can adapt it for ubuntu and kubuntu too ;)
[12:54] <\sh> maswan: no problem for me..I know the good old times, when someone could whistle the software through the phone ,)
[12:54] <\sh> ogra: happy badger edubuntu day :) congrats friend :)
[12:54] <Kamion> the Breezy installer is more careful about trying not to upgrade from the network during installation
[12:54] <ogra> \sh, for what ? i have no release yet
[12:55] <maswan> \sh: I'd like to see the guy that would whistle a full dvd iso, without bit errors. ;)
[12:55] <ogra> i urgently need to find a amd64 tester
[12:55] <\sh> ogra: well...the edubuntu.org site is much better then a silver cd ,)
[12:55] <highvoltage> anyone here with lots of bandwidth and an amd64?
[12:55] <highvoltage> ooh, ogra beat me.
[12:55] <\sh> maswan: hehe...
[12:55] <TMM> hey! congratulations on the release!
[12:55] <Kamion> ogra: I've got the amd64 CD ready to test (at least partially), but the DVD will take longer
[12:55] <TMM> and, thanks! :)
[12:56] <Kamion> ogra: you can release the CDs first and then the DVDs later
[12:56] <ogra> Kamion, mdz said so... then i'll buy a new DVD writer today, i have the x86 image here now
[12:56] <ogra> Kamion, oh, i thought you'd do ppc...
[12:56] <chmj> highvoltage: sure
[12:57] <chmj> highvoltage: she suppose to bake it today ?
[12:57] <ogra> ok, request change: **** i ugerntly need a ppc tester for the edubuntu CD *** !!
[12:57] <ogra> *urgently
[12:57] <Kamion> ogra: can do as well; that's downloading as I speak
[12:57] <highvoltage> chmj: she said she'll do it after 3pm today.
[12:57] <ogra> Kamion, bah, when shall i ever pay you back ?
[12:57] <highvoltage> ogra: make it the topic ;)
[12:58] <Kamion> will take longer though, and I'm half-asleep; other testers would help a lot
[12:58] <highvoltage> oh, nevermind. no one ever reads the topic.
[12:58] <ogra> highvoltage, that Kamion is our best tester ?
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion, i'll ping the world...
[12:58] <highvoltage> ogra: the 'we need a tester part', cool that he's testing
[12:58] <highvoltage> Kamion++
[12:58] <ajmitch> ogra: what testing is needed?
[12:59] <ajmitch> ogra: I've got an old iMac & a slow DSL line here :)
[12:59] <ogra> ajmitch, install test, all three variants (defaut, server and workstation)
[01:01] <mvo> ogra: gosh, cdimage.u.c gives me only ~60k/s (just started to download the image)
[01:01] <ogra> ajmitch, i'd pay you any overquota ;) but i guess you get locked if you reach it, right ?
[01:02] <ajmitch> ogra: I'll end up getting shaped to 64Kbps
[01:02] <ajmitch> which will be really painful ;)
[01:02] <ogra> mvo, damned ...
[01:02] <mvo> ogra: this is going to take a bit, I usually get 240k/s
[01:03] <ajmitch> mvo: I'm getting 4K/sec
[01:03] <ogra> mvo, anything we can poke \sh to do with your line ?
[01:03] <ajmitch> no, it's up to 8K already
[01:03] <ogra> :
[01:03] <ogra> )
[01:03] <ajmitch> ogra: at this rate it'll take me 24h to download :)
[01:03] <ogra> damned
[01:04] <mvo> ogra: don't know, maybe I can be part of the 6mbit test-customers team ;)
[01:04] <maswan> Ok, the netmasters have told us that we're doing 1.93Gbit/s out of our theoretical 2Gbit/s. breezy goodness to the world!
[01:05] <ajmitch> ogra: sorry I can't help again :-/
[01:05] <ogra> ajmitch, its ok, i understand
[01:06] <\sh> mvo: what config do u have 5mbit or 2?
[01:06] <Kamion> FWIW, rsyncing the Edubuntu install CD starting from a copy of the Ubuntu install CD yields a reasonable speedup
[01:06] <mvo> \sh: 2
[01:06] <Kamion> 4.60* for amd64
[01:06] <Kamion> maswan: impressive
[01:07] <ajmitch> Kamion: rsync tend to go at about 4K/sec even on a good day for me
[01:07] <\sh> mvo: i can try to call henning to update your , or better your neighbors config
[01:07] <\sh> mvo: temporarily
[01:08] <\sh> mvo: can u get me the customer number of your neighbor?
[01:08] <ogra> hmm, 22K from here...
[01:08] <ogra> argh, dropped o 2K
[01:14] <Kamion> Riddell: Kubuntu DVDs published, mirror(ing|ed)
[01:15] <\sh> Kamion: cool :)
[01:16] <Kamion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/
[01:16] <Kamion> apologies for the slightly weird URL - I'll stick links in from releases.u.c at some point
[01:16] <maswan> load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.06
[01:16] <maswan> doing 75MByte/s sustained :)
[01:16] <maswan> and same for the other offload host
[01:25] <maswan> how is the DC bandwidth doing?
[01:26] <\sh> Kamion: the http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-rc-dvd-i386.iso is the old one?
[01:26] <Znarl> maswan : We'er sitting on 750MBits/sec
[01:27] <Kamion> \sh: yes, I purged that on the master site hours ago, but due to mirroring problems that may not have made it out to mirrors
[01:27] <\sh> Kamion: k
[01:27] <\sh> Kamion: missed the cdimages link
[01:28] <Kamion> we're not going to distribute DVDs from releases.u.c any longer - not enough disk space on mirrors
[01:32] <maswan> Znarl: ACK. This is full for you? I'm not getting anywhere near good sync bandwidth from syncproxy.u.c, so I'm only partially mirrored over here. :/
[01:33] <Znarl> maswan : Yes, we can go no faster.
[01:34] <maswan> Znarl: oh, well. I guess there will be bandwidth over once europe goes to bed. :)
[01:35] <smurf> maswan: That's going to get worse before it gets better
[01:36] <maswan> smurf: can't really get worse than currently. :)
[01:36] <smurf> Maybe releasing bittorrent a few days before FTP/HTTP would help
[01:37] <highvoltage> smurf: i don't think that's possible, i think lots of stuff were only finished less than an hour before release ;)
[01:37] <Znarl> Well, the per connection speed is dropping, and getting worse.
[01:37] <maswan> Znarl: Ah, you need more bandwidth then. Too bad we don't have much over.
[01:37] <highvoltage> ok, perhaps that's taking it a bit far.
[01:37] <maswan> Talk to ftp.heanet.ie and ask them if they are up for a nice little http-redirect for the i386-install iso?
[01:38] <\sh> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ the badger flash song for today :)
[01:39] <smurf> highvoltage: I meant delaying the HTTP release, of course
[01:39] <smurf> my BT seed has plenty of bandwidth left, and I doubt I'm the only one
[01:40] <maswan> smurf: yes, but that means limiting access, which is not as nice. :/
[01:40] <maswan> Znarl: for the future, perhaps trying to reserve 50Mbit/s or so for mirroring might be a good idea?
[01:41] <Znarl> maswan : Yes, we have plans to split our network.
[01:41] <maswan> Znarl: great
[01:42] <smurf> maswan: BT clients are available for everybody who can do HTTP/FTP these days, so I'd call that enabling, not limiting
[01:43] <maswan> smurf: installing specific software is not always an option, bt software is crap in usability compared to the simplicity of http downloads.
[01:43] <Kamion> smurf: it's really horribly fiddly on the cdimage side to release bittorrent before everything else
[01:43] <Kamion> smurf: we did it for DVDs in the past, and it was very awkward - I'd rather avoid it
[01:43] <Kamion> I nearly lost the DVD images by accident
[01:44] <Znarl> Our BT stats are pretty good as is.  Those who can are getting it from BT, it seems.
[01:44] <Robot101> mjg59, Kamion, jdub: lunch?
[01:45] <Kamion> Robot101: maybe. where?
[01:46] <Kamion> hmm, probably not actually
[01:46] <Kamion> still have to sort out edubuntu, and I promised Kirsten she could have my afternoon
[01:46] <Robot101> were pondering kingston, a late lunch wouldn't help?
[01:47] <Kamion> nah, she gets home early from work on Thursdays
[01:47] <Kamion> the idea's appealing but I think I'll pass, too tired anyway really - enjoy yourselves :)
[01:48] <mjg59> Robot101: Subscribe
[01:48] <mjg59> Though I'm not out of bed yet
[01:50] <Diziet> Bizarre.  This Dutch hoary -> breezy upgrade asked me whether I wanted British or American English as my wordlist.
[01:51] <Robot101> mjg59: only just got up myself
[01:51] <zyga> Diziet: did you have language-support-XX for your language?
[01:51] <zyga> if not you didn't have a dictionary available
[01:51] <zyga> hence - no dutch
[01:52] <Kamion> Diziet: you found that before, if you remember
[01:52] <Kamion> we never did get to the bottom of it
[01:52] <Kamion> (although maybe not in a Dutch install - but it'll depend what wordlist packages are installed, anyway)
[01:53] <Diziet> Yes, I was expecting it in an English install.  But in Dutch ?  Bizarre.
[01:53] <Kamion> a non-networked install will only have installed English dictionaries because that's all that's on the CD
[01:53] <Diziet> Ah, that'll be it.
[01:53] <zyga> Diziet: did you have the relevant language pack + support for dutch?
[01:53] <Diziet> No, I said no to getting stuff from the network.
[01:54] <Diziet> Also, this is extremely painful because hoary doesn't detect my video card properly and it's running in around 800x600.
[01:54] <zyga> Diziet: first problem solved ;-)
[01:55] <Diziet> Metacity is _hopeless_ if you don't have enough pixels.  And lots of other things break too.
[01:55] <Diziet> For example, the text on the login screen is unreadable, quite literally.
[01:55] <mvo> yeah, we work not very well in 800x600 :/
[02:00] <ogra> help ! still looking fr amd64 and powerpc testers for edubuntu !
[02:00] <ogra> *for
[02:00] <zyga> ogra: amd64 here
[02:00] <zyga> ogra: howto please
[02:00] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[02:00] <ogra> :)
[02:01] <ogra> i need a test of all 3 installs
[02:01] <zyga> ogra: I've got only one box
[02:01] <zyga> ogra: can I manage on a single one?
[02:02] <ogra> zyga, you can do them one by one ...
[02:02] <zyga> k, pullling the iso now
[02:02] <zyga> hmm web is rather sloooow
[02:02] <mvo> ogra: at 34% for i386 here :/
[02:03] <ogra> mvo, x86 is tested
[02:03] <zyga> ogra: does releases.u.c even work?
[02:03] <ogra> nope
[02:03] <ogra> not yet
[02:03] <ogra> damned...
[02:04] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[02:04] <ogra> zyga, ^^^
[02:04] <ogra> sorry
[02:04] <zyga> n/p
[02:04] <mvo> ogra: ok, canceld
[02:04] <ogra> mvo, ppc or amd64 would be helpful
[02:04] <maswan> ogra: I'm mirroring, at 20k/s, half-way through kubuntu, then edubuntu... :/
[02:04] <mvo> ogra: I don't have a ppc
[02:04] <Kamion> I'm doing amd64/workstation now
[02:04] <\sh> woooo....just got the information from the tax department....they'll pay me 1800 eur back
[02:05] <\sh> means, i could buy a new digicam for ubz
[02:05] <ajmitch> \sh: great :)
[02:05] <ogra> \sh, congrats
[02:05] <mvo> \sh: what a day, breezy relase and money back! party!
[02:05] <\sh> bad news...it's not on my account yet
[02:05] <zyga> ogra: bugreport already: the torrents/isos should have edubuntu- prefix
[02:05] <zyga> ;-)
[02:05] <\sh> mvo: yeah :)
[02:06] <ogra> zyga, they'll have once they moved to release...
[02:06] <Robot101> robtaylor, mjg59: lunch at 2pm?
[02:06] <Kamion> zyga: yep, what ogra said, they'll be edubuntu-5.10-*.iso
[02:08] <highvoltage> 1800 euro's that's very nice.
[02:08] <zyga> ogra: okay, less than one hour left
[02:08] <mjg59> Robot101: Sounds good
[02:08] <ogra> zyga, yeah :)
[02:09] <\sh> highvoltage: thats less then last years payback
[02:09] <\sh> highvoltage: but actually my taxsoftware calculated correctly
[02:10] <\sh> but last year i had more travel expenses
[02:13] <thesaltydog> \sh, please tell us how did you reached this target: to have money back from taxes!!!
[02:14] <maswan> thesaltydog: it's simple, pay more than you have to during the year. then you get the extra back, later, perhaps with nominal interest.
[02:15] <thesaltydog> maswan, :-) I usually try to pay less... if allowed
[02:19] <\sh> going back to hibernate mode....sleeping another 2 hours..
[02:20] <mvo> \sh: sleep well
[02:23] <Diziet> OK, I have some infelicities none of which I think are RC but I was wondering if people knew about:
[02:23] <Diziet> * After my hoary->breezy, I logged out.  gdm did not present a new login screen; I just got the text leftover from boot.  C-A-D fixed it.
[02:24] <Diziet> * If you, in order, launch Yelp, ooffice, `About Ubuntu', then `About Ubuntu' doesn't appear on top.
[02:24] <Diziet> * `About Ubuntu' has a logo which is too small for the default window size.
[02:25] <Kamion> Diziet: (it would be too late anyway if they were RC)
[02:26] <Diziet> Oh.
[02:26] <Kamion> that gdm thing seems like the worst
[02:27] <Kamion> hmm, well my first guess was that gdm might be using s-s-d --exec and thus not restarting properly on upgrade, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[02:27] <Diziet> I had that before with some of my earlier hoary->breezy upgrade tests but it went away.
[02:29] <Kamion> it would be interesting to know if there's anything relevant in gdm's log file
[02:29] <Kamion> it seems to keep a few versions of the log, so you may still have the information
[02:31] <Diziet> kamion: Nothing that I can see.
[02:31] <Diziet> I think it didn't even try to run the server.
[02:31] <HiddenWolf_> zyga, knoopix to breezy? what kind of move is that? :P
[02:32] <zyga> HiddenWolf_: a very convulsed one at best
[02:32] <mvo> carlos: do you have a idea about #17559 (beside the fact that markup shouldn't be in po files)?
[02:32] <Kamion> Diziet: another interesting question might be whether /etc/X11/default-display-manager still says /usr/sbin/gdm
[02:32] <Kamion> and whether the upgrade log says "Starting GNOME Display Manager..." or "Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager."
[02:32] <zyga> mvo: I may have a clue
[02:33] <zyga> mvo: some time ago there was a bug in rosetta regarding escaping various HTML like syntax
[02:33] <zyga> mvo: it might be possible that some bogus translations have been comitted
[02:34] <mvo> zyga: ok, thanks
[02:34] <HiddenWolf_> zyga, I'd imagine
[02:34] <HiddenWolf_> zyga, things messed up, or working nicely?
[02:35] <zyga> HiddenWolf_: I initially removed a whole lot of stuff from knoppix that I didn't need
[02:35] <zyga> HiddenWolf_: the rest *did* work and after remastering booted quite nicely
[02:36] <Diziet> /etc/X11/default-display-manager> /usr/sbin/gdm, yes.
[02:37] <Diziet> Strangely /var/log/installer/messages doesn't seem to mention gdm at all.
[02:38] <Diziet> Ah.
[02:39] <Kamion> /var/log/installer/messages is the log from the first stage of the installer
[02:39] <Kamion> it won't mention gdm, indeed
[02:39] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/amd64/workstation pass
[02:39] <highvoltage> whohooo!
[02:39] <ogra> yeah !
[02:39] <Diziet> `Setting up gdm ... ....    Reloading GNOME Display Manger configuration.  Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.   invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.'
[02:40] <ogra> Diziet, thats normal
[02:40] <Diziet> It's true that later gdm goes from half-configured to installed.
[02:41] <mvo> pitti: around? do you have a idea about #17646? it might be some sort of langpack problem?
[02:41] <Kamion> all it's doing is sending SIGUSR1 to the process in /var/run/gdm.pid. Why is it failing?
[02:41] <pitti> mvo: moment, please
[02:41] <mvo> pitti: sure, no rush
[02:42] <Diziet> Oh, that's from base-config.log which is the hoary install.
[02:44] <pitti> Hi Yagisan
[02:44] <Yagisan> G'day pitti
[02:44] <Diziet> daemon.log says   `localhost gdm[5701] : GDM restarting ...      localhost gdm[5701] : Failed to restart self'
[02:45] <Diziet> And the timestamp is between me logging out and rebooting.
[02:45] <Kamion> looks more promising
[02:45] <pitti> infinity, elmo: may I humbly ask again about openssl_0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1 which does not get built for breezy-security?
[02:45] <ajmitch> evening Yagisan
[02:45] <Diziet> Shame it didn't tell us _why_ it failed.
[02:45] <Kamion> perhaps gdm fails to Depend on everything it needs?
[02:45] <Diziet> No, because rebooting (and doing nothing else) fixed it.
[02:45] <Kamion> sure, but that would have been after a load of other stuff got configured
[02:45] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[02:45] <Kamion> I'm assuming that gdm was restarted in the middle of a longer upgrade run
[02:46] <BenC> any admins alive that can install a package on concordia for me?
[02:46] <Diziet> No, it seems to have tried to restart exactly when I logged out, which was a minute or two after the upgrade finished.
[02:46] <Kamion> ah
[02:47] <Kamion> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/13/124243&tid=106
[02:48] <pitti> mvo: hm, could that be a bug in the python gettext langpack support patch
[02:48] <sabdfl> Kamion: well spotted
[02:48] <Kamion> say goodbye to DC bandwidth
[02:48] <mvo> pitti: update-notifier/notification-daemon are C
[02:48] <pitti> ah, right
[02:48] <Yagisan> pitti, ajmitch - whats up ?
[02:48] <Znarl> Those are very bad links on slashdot. :(
[02:48] <pitti> hmm, no idea
[02:48] <ajmitch> Yagisan: not a lot, about ready to sleep
[02:48] <zyga> Kamion: servers - toasted ;-) ?
[02:49] <Kamion> Znarl: at least they're not direct links to the datacentre ... but yes
[02:49] <infinity> Kamion : Can you do me a favour?
[02:49] <Kamion> infinity: yeah?
[02:49] <jdub> GOOD MORNING BREEZY LOVERS!
[02:49] <mvo> pitti: ok, thanks
[02:49] <ajmitch> Kamion: I think DC bandwidth is already toast?
[02:49] <ajmitch> morning jdub
[02:49] <infinity> Kamion : Have a look in the approval queue, and see if uploads for breezy-{security,updates} are getting hung up there?
[02:49] <Kamion> ajmitch: well, latency at least to jackass is fine
[02:49] <ogra> help * edubuntu still looks for a powerpc tester *
[02:49] <Treenaks> ogra: I'll have a powerpc in a few weeks
[02:49] <Treenaks> ogra: maybe even days
[02:50] <ajmitch> Treenaks: minutes would be better
[02:50] <ogra> Treenaks, great help... :)
[02:50] <Kamion> infinity: they're in accepted, but not listed for approval
[02:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I didn't think you needed sleep :-P
[02:50] <ajmitch> ogra: 3% now :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> Yagisan: oh I do :)
[02:50] <ogra> ajmitch, 17 here
[02:50] <pitti> Kamion: the source also appears in my helena, but the debs are not built
[02:50] <Treenaks> ajmitch: sorry, the previous owner needs to wipe the disk, and he's slow :(
[02:50] <desrt> man
[02:50] <desrt> congrats on the release, guys :D
[02:50] <Kamion> pitti: which package exactly?
[02:50] <ajmitch> Treenaks: this is blocking edubuntu release :)
[02:50] <ogra> Treenaks, get it *now*
[02:50] <pitti> Kamion: openssl_0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1_source.changes
[02:51] <pitti> Kamion: the source is in accepted/, but the binaries aren't
[02:51] <Kamion> openssl_0.9.7g-1ubuntu1.1_source.changes
[02:51] <Kamion> I: IGNORING -security upload
[02:51] <pitti> Kamion: they are either not built, not not uploaded, no idea
[02:51] <infinity> pitti : That's cause they're not getting into wanna-build./
[02:51] <desrt> pitti; i have a bug that requires your attention 2 days ago :)
[02:51] <pitti> desrt: then we better hurry.. :-)
[02:51] <Kamion> one sec
[02:51] <infinity> pitti : elmo said he'd look into it in the morning, but if it's urgent, maybe Kamion can poke it with a stick.
[02:51] <sabdfl> US mirror is going to love that :-)
[02:51] <desrt> pitti; all gphoto apps crash on powerpc (including the camera import thingy that automatically loads)
[02:51] <desrt> pitti; due to your duplicate filename vendor patch :(
[02:52] <zyga> ogra: edubuntu download suddenly seems to be slow as hell... will test ASAP though
[02:52] <ogra> zyga, thanks...
[02:52] <sabdfl> zyga: slashdot
[02:53] <pitti> desrt: hm, sounds like a good candidate for -updates
[02:53] <desrt> pitti; quite.
[02:53] <Yagisan> Anyone with an 8139too based card want a fun problem ?
[02:53] <Kamion> infinity: hmm, /srv/buildd.no-name-yet.com/trigger.daily has special cases for (warty|hoary)-security but not breezy-security
[02:53] <BenC> Yagisan: I'll bite :)
[02:53] <desrt> pitti; please note: i have no idea if my patch is correct.  it fixes the issue for me but it might not match the intended logic of the original author
[02:54] <pitti> desrt: did you send it to the bug?
[02:54] <Yagisan> BenC: heh - http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 - but I think you should have it already
[02:54] <Kamion> infinity: is this FIXNOW priority? touching trigger.daily scares me
[02:54] <pitti> desrt: I neglected my bug mbox for two days now
[02:54] <desrt> pitti; i opened a new one
[02:54] <desrt> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17670
[02:54] <zyga> Yagisan: I've got a card like that but I don't want any problems as it powers my home server ;-) if it can wait a week I'll be glad to help
[02:55] <infinity> Kamion : Ask pitti.  We can certainly wait for -updates, but if he thinks his -security uploads need to go in Yesterday, then...
[02:55] <infinity> pitti : ?
[02:55] <Yagisan> BenC, Zyga - 3 separate 8139too cards (2 8139D, 1 8139C) do that on me
[02:55] <Diziet> Oh, I'm not on ubuntu-announce (!)
[02:55] <pitti> Kamion: no, that openssl issue is not very critical, a delay of one day is fine
[02:55] <Kamion> pitti: I think I see the problem, but I don't know if there are knock-on effects
[02:56] <pitti> Kamion: I can wait for elmo
[02:56] <Kamion> breezy-updates should just work AFAICS
[02:56] <Yagisan> zyga: (It's my firewall/apt-cache that is affected)
[02:56] <infinity> Kamion : But clearly doesn't (unless IT needs approval... Which would make sense)
[02:56] <infinity> Kamion : Anyhow, we'll wait on elmo if pitti's upload isn't urgent.  I just saw him bugging me up there (points) and assumed otherwise. :)
[02:57] <Kamion> elmo: jackass:~cjwatson/trigger.daily.diff seems to be the required change - not applied
[02:58] <Kamion> infinity: they need approval. that I can probably take care of
[02:59] <Kamion> elmo: a helena mode that shows breezy-updates would be nice
[02:59] <BenC> Yagisan: Have you tried those cards on another machine?
[03:01] <Yagisan> BenC: Yes - they work fine and an AMD64 box (in fact I using one now instead of the onboard Gige)
[03:01] <infinity> Yagisan : The 8139too driver should deal with losing interrupts more gracefully (and pcnet32 obviously does, hence your experience), but it's still almost certainly a hardware/firmware bug, exacerbated by a lousy driver.
[03:01] <Kamion> infinity: I've approved mozilla on its own; let's see if that works
[03:01] <Kamion>    mozilla | 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 |        breezy | source
[03:01] <Kamion>    mozilla | 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04 | hoary-security | source
[03:01] <infinity> Yagisan : And if it supports "just enough ACPI to make Windows happy", that's a pretty good indication that if we try to route the IRQs wrong, it WILL blow up.
[03:01] <Kamion>    mozilla | 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 | breezy-updates | source
[03:01] <BenC> Yagisan: then that proves it is not the driver, but a problem with the machine you are running it on
[03:02] <Yagisan> infinity: In so many cards ? and not showing up in older kernels ?
[03:02] <infinity> Yagisan : It's not the card's fault, it's the BIOS/motherboard.
[03:02] <infinity> Yagisan : And the driver makes it worse.
[03:02] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC: while I know acpi is crap on the board - it is actually disabled
[03:02] <infinity> Yagisan : Other drivers (VIA Rhine comes to mind) have similar issues with losing interrupts on lousy BIOSes.
[03:03] <infinity> Yagisan : Note that ACPI power saving != ACPI PCI routing.  Disabling one usually has no bearing on the other.
[03:03] <Yagisan> infinity - It has no acpi routing
[03:04] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/amd64/server pass
[03:04] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - later tonight I'm putting a P2 233MHz box up to replace it - that will test if it is a BIOS error
[03:04] <ogra> Kamion, yippie :)
[03:05] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - is there anything else I can try as well ?
[03:05] <infinity> BenC : Do you know, off the top of your head, all the kernel command lines to swap between the 7 billion different PCI routing impementations?
[03:05] <BenC> Yagisan: you need to tell the kernel ACPI is disabled, it is still trying to use it
[03:06] <BenC> infinity: off the top of my head, no
[03:06] <Yagisan> BenC: OK (thankfully I haven't given the pcnet32 back yet)
[03:06] <BenC> Yagisan: I thought you said that you already tested the cards on another machine
[03:06] <mjg59> infinity: documentation/kernel-parameters
[03:07] <BenC> we need a grub menu.lst generator that will allow for testing all kernel workarounds
[03:09] <Yagisan> BenC: yes I have - but still - if the machines is stuffed - I'll need something to replace it with if nothing else works
[03:09] <BenC> Yagisan: I'm just saying, the fact that the cards already work on another machine most definitely shows that the driver is not broken in relation to the cards
[03:10] <Yagisan> BenC - it doesn't seem to handle losing an interrupt well
[03:10] <Yagisan> BenC - I'd have expected the pcnet32 to fail too actually
[03:10] <BenC> that's because generally another interrupt will come along to unbork it
[03:11] <infinity> acpi=off pci=noacpi
[03:11] <Yagisan> BenC - so why doesn't that happen with 8139 ?
[03:11] <BenC> true, it's not handling it gracefully, but the bios/hardware is still broken
[03:12] <infinity> Yagisan : About half the network drivers in Linux die when they lose interrupts.  While this isn't "graceful", it's also not really their fault.
[03:12] <infinity> I spent months swearing at the via rhine driver until I figured out the real problem. :/
[03:13] <infinity> Others definitely seem more resilient (3c59x, e100/eepro100, pcnet32)
[03:13] <Yagisan> infinity - BenC - I'll test infinitys suggestion in a moment (hence I'll drop out - it is my gateway with the problem)
[03:13] <Kamion> infinity: mozilla should've appeared in w-b for you now
[03:14] <Kamion>   Package             : mozilla
[03:14] <Kamion>   Version             : 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1
[03:14] <Kamion>   Builder             : buildd+terranova
[03:14] <Kamion>   State               : Building
[03:14] <infinity> Kamion : Yup, it's building.
[03:15] <infinity> Kamion : A tbird and an enigmail to go with that would be swell.  Or do you want to wait until we do a full cycle (binaries uploaded and installed) before we call it good?
[03:15] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - I just updated grub - I'll be back soon with the results.
[03:15] <Kamion> infinity: I'd rather wait a full cycle with just the one package to make sure it all works
[03:18] <Amaranth> arg this computer doesn't have a cd burner and the library is closed
[03:25] <maswan> Znarl: You could always hack yourself out of DNS for a couple of hours to free up bandwidth. ;)
[03:26] <Znarl> maswan : Really?  Where?
[03:31] <bddebian> Hello
[03:38] <infinity> Kamion : Meh, why did you have to accept the biggest of the three packages? :)
[03:38] <infinity> (Still building)
[03:44] <Yagisan> BenC, infinity - back from torturing my gateway
[03:46] <Yagisan> BenC, infinity - the kernel parameters have worked - so how would that be autodetected in future (for similar boxes ?)
[03:48] <zyga> a solution to ./ crowd = merge canonical with AOL and get cd-pressing factories! :D
[03:48] <Treenaks> zyga: omg
[03:48] <zyga> then get merged with goooogle and dominate the world :)
[03:49] <Kamion> infinity: d'oh
[03:50] <calc> are the mirrors still not updated?
[03:50] <infinity> Kamion : Okay, uploaded on the threee primary arches.
[03:50] <calc> i don't see edubuntu/ubuntu-server/dvds on the mirrors
[03:50] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/amd64/default pass; my wife was rather interested watching me play around with it and seemed to quite like the range of educational software (she's a teaching assistant); she wants to know what our interactive whiteboard support is like
[03:50] <Kamion> calc: edubuntu/ubuntu-server aren't published yet
[03:51] <calc> ok
[03:51] <Kamion> calc: dvds are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/ - they don't fit on releases.u.c for disk space reasons
[03:51] <Kamion> calc: I'll put a link in at some point
[03:51] <ogra> Kamion, we dont have any yet... there is no good oss solution to my knowledge yet
[03:51] <zyga> ogra: amd64 keeps failing to download
[03:51] <calc> Kamion: ok
[03:51] <ogra> zyga, gah
[03:51] <Kamion> ogra: hm :(
[03:51] <seb128> calc: do you plan to fix the menu-xdg duplicate entries bug one day? The BTS has a patch for months
[03:51] <ogra> Kamion, certainly something on my dapper applist :)
[03:52] <Kamion> ogra: more a kernel/X thing, I imagine?
[03:52] <ogra> Kamion, thanks for the wiki fixes btw :)
[03:52] <Kamion> np
[03:52] <ogra> Kamion, yup
[03:52] <calc> Kamion: not trying to be annoying but the .pool dir has lots of rc files in it still they might fit once that is cleaned out ;)
[03:52] <ogra> there are proprietary linux solutions with binary kernel module
[03:52] <Kamion> calc: they're already removed on the master
[03:52] <calc> ah ok i guess i am looking at the uk mirror then
[03:52] <Kamion> calc: the mirrors are having trouble because rsync is mirroring the new files first, then deal with removals
[03:52] <ogra> but i think it should be possible on a higher layer too... like collaborative editors work
[03:53] <calc> seb128: yea, i er forgot i guess
[03:53] <infinity> Uh oh.
[03:53] <calc> seb128: i'm planning on updating theora hopefully today as well
[03:53] <infinity> Kamion : Can you REJECT those in the next 10 minutes? :0
[03:54] <maswan> we're serving about 1600-1800 downloads of i386-install right now. :)
[03:54] <luis__> congrats
[03:54] <Kamion> infinity: what's wrong with them?
[03:54] <infinity> Kamion : pkgstripstranslations wasn't in the chroot, afaict.
[03:54] <maswan> plus some kubuntu, live, adm64, etc.
[03:54] <infinity> Kamion : Which, I assume, means it will conflict with the langpacks, right?
[03:54] <seb128> calc: cool
[03:54] <infinity> Kamion : Which would be, uhh, bad.
[03:54] <Kamion> infinity: I don't see huge piles of locales in mozilla-browser?
[03:55] <infinity> Kamion : Pure fluke, then.  pkgstriptranslations definitely wasn't there and din't run.
[03:55] <infinity> Kamion : I'd feel more at ease if you reject the binaries and give me a chance to fix up all the chroots. :/
[03:55] <Kinnison> infinity: You're gonna have fun in a day or so when you have to do all new chroots for dapper :-)
[03:55] <Kamion> infinity: can't reject out of accepted, but, um, I'll see if I can temporarily disappear them or something
[03:56] <infinity> Kamion : unaccept, then.
[03:56] <infinity> Kamion : Same difference at that stage.
[03:56] <Nafallo> maswan: is that more or less load than hoary? :-)
[03:56] <infinity> Just so long as they don't hit the pool, (and the changes disappears from queu/done), all is good.
[03:57] <infinity> Kinnison : dapper chroots are easy.  It's fixing up these breezy-{security,updates} chroots that were made 6 months ago and seem a bit.. Wrong... That's the fun right now.
[03:57] <ogra> sigh, still 6h ETA for ppc...
[03:58] <pitti> infinity: no, if packages ship mo files (i. e. unstripped), they won't conflict with langpacks
[03:58] <pitti> infinity: it's just redundancy
[03:58] <pitti> Kamion: ^
[03:58] <infinity> pitti : How does that work?... Do the langpacks install to a different location?
[03:58] <pitti> infinity: /usr/share/locale-langpacks :-)
[03:58] <infinity> Clever.
[03:59] <pitti> infinity: we have a glibc patch that also looks there
[03:59] <infinity> Yeah, obviously.
[03:59] <pitti> infinity: otherwise you could never install a package that you built locally
[03:59] <infinity> Kamion : Okay, forget my panic, but do me a favour and wait for a green light before approving the other two.  I want to freshen up the world.
[03:59] <Yagisan> infinity, BenC - perhaps http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 should be reassigned to fails to disable broken acpi ?
[04:00] <pitti> infinity: yes, stripping security updates is a good idea. Thanks for looking at it
[04:00] <Kamion> infinity: I can't see how to unaccept manually, but I've moved them out of the way
[04:00] <Kamion> infinity: does your comment above mean I should move them back?
[04:00] <sabdfl> pitti: are you the postgres package guy?
[04:00] <pitti> sabdfl: yes
[04:00] <sabdfl> psycopg.ProgrammingError: ERROR:  could not open file "/usr/share/postgresql/contrib/english.stop": No such file or directory
[04:00] <infinity> Kamion : If they're moved completely out of the way, I'll rebuild and reupload with the freshened chroots.
[04:00] <sabdfl> on breezy :-/
[04:00] <infinity> Kamion : The comment was more just to save you the trouble.
[04:00] <Kamion> katie@jackass:~/queue/temp-hold/mozilla$ for x in *.deb; do dpkg -c $x | grep usr/share/locale; done
[04:01] <Kamion> katie@jackass:~/queue/temp-hold/mozilla$
[04:01] <infinity> Kamion : But if you've gone to it already, I want t odo it "right".
[04:01] <infinity> Actually, yeah.  Just move 'em back then.
[04:01] <maswan> Nafallo: more, much more. but then, the 1.2Gbit/s peak we managed at hoary was enough to double-port the computer club gigE switch to 2xgigE.
[04:01] <Kamion> infinity: pkgstriptranslations also collects stuff for rosetta, doesn't it?
[04:01] <pitti> sabdfl: that file is now in /usr/share/postgresql/8.0/
[04:01] <Kamion> infinity: although I guess nothing's changed?
[04:02] <infinity> Kamion : Yes, and right.  Nothing's changed.
[04:02] <pitti> sabdfl: (or 7.4, depending on your server version)
[04:02] <Kamion> infinity: ok, will move back
[04:02] <Nafallo> maswan: hehe, nice :-)
[04:03] <Kamion> infinity: which is good, 'cos I don't know if randomly moving stuff out of accepted breaks katie or not
[04:03] <infinity> Kamion : Alright.  I'll ping back in 10/15 mins when the chroots are all happy.
[04:04] <sabdfl> pitti: fine.... but shouldn't the software know that itself?
[04:04] <sabdfl> that's not a file I told it to use
[04:04] <pitti> sabdfl: which software do we talk about?
[04:04] <sabdfl> i'm just using psycopg
[04:04] <Kamion> infinity: I'm going to test Edubuntu/powerpc for a bit, so may well be longer than that, and I want to have most of the afternoon off
[04:04] <sabdfl> launchpad
[04:04] <pitti> sabdfl: oh, psycopg itself wants that file?
[04:04] <Kamion> infinity: might be best if you pinged elmo/mdz later
[04:05] <dieman> heh
[04:05] <infinity> Kamion : Or I can just stop all the buildds and you can approve the uploads now.
[04:05] <pitti> sabdfl: it does not even depend on postgresql-contrib*
[04:05] <dieman> my mirror is running a little slow this morning :)
[04:05] <infinity> Kamion : If you approve them now, that gives me a 30+ minute window anyway, cause we just missed cron.daily.
[04:05] <sabdfl> pitti: i have the file in 7.4 subdir
[04:05] <sabdfl> but SOMETHING is looking for it in the old place
[04:06] <sabdfl> hmm
[04:06] <sabdfl> oh... the db dump i am using came from a hoary box
[04:06] <pitti> bah, it is impossible to get something from archive.u.c
[04:06] <pitti> I wanted to look in psycopg sources
[04:06] <infinity> Kamion : I won't begrudge a man his afternoon off after a stressfuly week. :)
[04:07] <dieman> pitti: try ftp.heanet.ie, it still seems reachable from here
[04:07] <infinity> pitti : This is why we have local mirrors.
[04:07] <pitti> sabdfl: ok, confirmed; psycopg itself has nothing to do with it (and shouldn't)
[04:07] <Lathiat> pitti: heh, archive.u.c is swamped?
[04:07] <fabbione> infinity: so the only reason you are not pushing -updates is because of the chroot, right?
[04:07] <sabdfl> ok, seems like its a local config issue, not a general problem
[04:07] <pitti> infinity: I just tried apt-get source on concordia
[04:07] <sabdfl> except i guess that i hope our upgrade scripts trap this sort of thing
[04:07] <pitti> dieman: I did that in the data center
[04:07] <pitti> sabdfl: so far I wasn't even aware of that file
[04:08] <maswan> dieman: at least for now, we'll see. :)
[04:09] <ogra> NOOOO
[04:09] <ogra> my ppc download dropped.... damned
[04:09] <ajmitch> ogra: wget -c !
[04:09] <pitti> sabdfl: these directories only contain stuff that is actually server specific; clients should not use it
[04:09] <ogra> yes...
[04:09] <ogra> i'm already running that...
[04:10] <ogra> *sigh* i'll never get this release out :'(
[04:10] <maswan> ogra: that's why I'm trying to encourage the DC admins to unswamp their network. ;)
[04:11] <lifeless> mdz: congrats
[04:11] <lifeless> gnight all
[04:11] <pitti> night lifeless
[04:11] <ajmitch> night lifeless
[04:11] <ogra> and i dont even think that we'll have any powerpc users with edubuntu
[04:11] <dieman>  09:11:26 up 17:11,  2 users,  load average: 94.93, 92.84, 82.27
[04:11] <dieman> bahwhahaha
[04:12] <dieman> its all iowait too, not enough ram
[04:12] <Lathiat> heh, whats that on
[04:12] <dieman> mirror.cs.umn.edu
[04:12] <Lathiat> ah
[04:12] <Lathiat> got bandwidth graph?
[04:12] <maswan> dieman: load average: 0.03, 0.13, 0.10, Out: 85993.16kB/s
[04:12] <dieman> its doing 187mbps
[04:12] <Lathiat> i see maswan is doing about 250M/s collectively
[04:13] <dieman> its a horribly underpowered machine
[04:13] <dieman> i need to move the NIC too
[04:13] <Lathiat> maswan: whast the url for your unis whole link?
[04:13] <dieman> it got ont he same irq as the disk :)
[04:13] <dieman> which is suuper-suck
[04:13] <maswan> Lathiat: http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-10--13,raw,traffic-kbit
[04:13] <dieman> total:     5.52 Mb/s In   223.57 Mb/s Out -  10242.3 p/s In   18880.5 p/s Out
[04:13] <dieman> mmmm. happy peak
[04:13] <dieman> its only a dual 7333, 1gb rambus
[04:13] <stub> pitti: tsearch2 stores the location on the stop words list in pg_ts_dict. This looks like what bit sabdfl, because the tsearch2 config from the dump made on hoary now references non-existant files.
[04:13] <dieman> 7333 rather
[04:13] <dieman> 733 rather
[04:13] <Lathiat> maswan: eh, nice, so how far can you push it? :)
[04:14] <dieman> single disk
[04:14] <ajmitch> maswan: looking good
[04:14] <Lathiat> maswan: ooh.. looks like it pretty much hit it
[04:14] <maswan> Lathiat: that far. :/
[04:14] <Kamion> ogra: I have a powerpc workstation install in progress
[04:14] <pitti> stub: ah, bad
[04:14] <stub> pitti: It might be worth considering some symlinks? I'm not too familiar here.
[04:14] <Kamion> ogra: it'll take a while because I'm not paying it much attention, but it's running
[04:14] <maswan> dieman: borrow a temporary machine with a few gigs of ram, http-redirect the i386 install iso there?
[04:14] <ajmitch> maswan: so you finally managed to saturate your link? congrats :)
[04:14] <maswan> dieman: http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[04:14] <dieman> maswan: dont have many machines lkike that hanging out
[04:14] <maswan> dieman: that's what test[01]  is doing there
[04:14] <dieman> heh
[04:15] <Lathiat> looks like test1 dropped off
[04:15] <stub> pitti: I'm not sure though. Using tsearch2 is a pretty manual process, so maybe it isn't a requirement
[04:15] <maswan> ajmitch: thanks
[04:15] <maswan> Lathiat: there is some lag in moving the measurement data
[04:16] <Lathiat> maswan: ah ok
[04:16] <ogra> Kamion, *sigh* how shall i ever pay that back to you
[04:16] <pitti> stub: so you migrated to breezy now? how did the db upgrade go, any errors apart from this one?
[04:17] <pitti> stub: the transition script is pretty complex and there were bugs in the past
[04:18] <Lathiat> what you need is machines with 16GB of ram :)
[04:18] <Lathiat> or 48 i think debian has one like that
[04:18] <stub> pitti: I migrated to breezy a while ago, but I wouldn't have noticed how the db upgrade went - we blow away the dev databases when running the test suite.
[04:18] <pitti> ah, I see
[04:18] <maswan> Lathiat: nah, this dataset is small enough. test[01]  have 8 gigs each and hold the hot data in ram.
[04:19] <Lathiat> maswan: ah cool
[04:19] <stub> pitti: We can test on our staging server at some point though ;)
[04:19] <maswan> Lathiat: debian was harder since cd+dvd isos were >16 gigs.
[04:19] <maswan> Lathiat: for i386
[04:20] <Lathiat> maswan: ah
[04:23] <Nafallo> maswan: nice. you have peeks every 6 months ;-)
[04:24] <zyga> pitti: do you have 160 seconds?
[04:24] <pitti> zyga: exactly? :-(
[04:24] <pitti> :-)
[04:24] <pitti> even
[04:24] <zyga> pitti: a bit less I hopwe
[04:24] <pitti> zyga: sure, I also have more
[04:24] <zyga> pitti: how do you validate exports from rosetta when you build langpacks?
[04:25] <pitti> zyga: yes, I did
[04:25] <zyga> pitti: I've ran across some errors in last export tarball
[04:25] <zyga> pitti: carlos is all aware and will look into them
[04:25] <pitti> zyga: I produced a normalized diff, looked at the 30 MB diff and throwed out all obsolete and buggy files
[04:25] <zyga> ah so you dump everything that is borked
[04:25] <pitti> zyga: for the final langpacks, yes
[04:26] <zyga> cool that explains it
[04:26] <pitti> zyga: I didn't want to drop all rosetta updates, so I had to cherrypick
[04:26] <zyga> you looked at 30 megs of diff??
[04:26] <pitti> yes :-/
[04:26] <zyga> god
[04:26] <pitti> it took about 4 hours to clean it up
[04:26] <TFP> hi
[04:26] <zyga> pitti: did you set up any automated stuff that helps with this?
[04:26] <TFP> i just wondered if ubuntu fixed the HAL problem in their new release, anyone knows more?
[04:26] <pitti> zyga: of course I used some clever vim regexps
[04:27] <pitti> TFP: "the HAL problem"?
[04:27] <pitti> TFP: bug# ?
[04:27] <zyga> (I'm pretty in the same position now but I don't want to fix it - just be able to process data quickly and get nice results and reports
[04:27] <TFP> failed to initialize HAL on startup
[04:27] <pitti> zyga: no, just vim and regexps
[04:27] <pitti> zyga: but you can have the list of invalid files that I threw out
[04:27] <zyga> pitti: okay thanks :-)
[04:27] <pitti> zyga: I kept it in case I or sb else needs to do it agin
[04:28] <zyga> I don't care about differences ATM
[04:28] <pitti> zyga: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/rosetta-killed.txt
[04:28] <pitti> TFP: depends on the reason for it; there was a dbus bug maybe two months ago which caused that
[04:29] <pitti> TFP: but it generally works in more recent breeezy versions
[04:29] <TFP> pitti: and is it solved?
[04:29] <TFP> ah ok
[04:29] <TFP> that was the reason why i dumped ubuntu
[04:29] <TFP> cause it crashed randomly
[04:29] <pitti> TFP: hey, this bug was there for about *two days*
[04:29] <TFP> and i had to wait 5 minutes for gnome to startup
[04:29] <pitti> TFP: oh, wait, that bug did not cause it to crash randomly
[04:30] <pitti> TFP: can you please try the current live CD?
[04:30] <pitti> TFP: if it still crashes, can you please ping me?
[04:30] <hunger> TFP: Are you using SATA drives?
[04:30] <TFP> well i just dl the new breezy and wanted to test it
[04:30] <TFP> nope
[04:31] <OddAbe19> did dapper open tuesday as in 2 days ago or 5 days from now?
[04:31] <hunger> TFP: My system used to be very instable due to the kernel ubuntu used for a while.
[04:31] <pitti> OddAbe19: it's not yet open
[04:31] <hunger> TFP: It did not like SATA too much for me:-)
[04:31] <OddAbe19> check check
[04:31] <TFP> well i dont have sata
[04:32] <pitti> hunger: is breezy too outdated for you?
[04:33] <TFP> well we'll see if the problem was fixed for my pc ;)
[04:33] <hunger> pitti: No, but there are a couple of items that got postponed in breezy that might be cool:-)
[04:33] <bddebian> Sheesh :-)
[04:33] <pitti> hunger: right
[04:33] <hunger> pitti: And you did not get round to checking out my cryptodick script in time either...
[04:34] <Yagisan> hunger: cryptodick ?? typo perhaps
[04:34] <ivoks> cryptodick :))
[04:34] <pitti> nice name
[04:34] <hunger> pitti: Plus I would love to help getting hibernation to work with crypted swap spaces, too (even though I doubt that my current settup will work):-)
[04:34] <pitti> ivoks: so that you can't fall into  holes *duck*
[04:34] <Mithrandir> jbailey: do we support booting off USB drives?  That is, my initramfs goes boom when trying to pivot_root.
[04:34] <ivoks> pitti: ;)
[04:35] <jbailey> Mithrandir: If your initramfs is trying to pivot_root, you're seeing other problems...
[04:35] <pitti> hunger: resuming from encrypted swap really works?
[04:35] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Should be running a command called "run-init" instead.
[04:35] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Have you forced it back to mkinitrd?
[04:36] <Mithrandir> jbailey: ah, this is hoary, we're going to dist-upgrade to breezy.  I'll annoy you in a little while. :-)
[04:36] <jbailey> Mithrandir: =)  No USB booting in Hoary. =)
[04:37] <jbailey> Mithrandir: You may have timeout troubles in Breezy.  You may need to add a longer sleep in Breezy to get it to work right too, but it will work.
[04:37] <ajmitch> jbailey: so I should be able to boot off my camera with breezy? :)
[04:37] <jbailey> ajmitch: Mmmm.  If you can fit everythingo n a fat filesystem, sure.
[04:38] <jbailey> Most cameras don't do well with ext2 media. =)
[04:38] <ajmitch> I wouldn't use the card to take photos :)
[04:38] <highvoltage> have  you guys checked JaneW's edubuntu cake yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52139491/
[04:39] <jbailey> Ahahah, cool.
[04:39] <ogra> highvoltage, gah why didn you wait until release with the cacke....
[04:39] <ogra> it might curse us now ....
[04:39] <ogra> :)
[04:40] <Mithrandir> jbailey: we'll see in a little while
[04:40] <JaneW> ogra: it's a good luck charm, I wouldn;t have made it if I thought there was a risk...
[04:40] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Cool.
[04:40] <jbailey> Mithrandir: IS this one of your I2O systems?
[04:40] <highvoltage> dammit
[04:40] <Mithrandir> jbailey: no, it's a friend's laptop.
[04:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: whatever you do, don't eat any of the cake!
[04:41] <ogra> heh
[04:41] <highvoltage> ogra: i think as long as nobody eats any of it, we're safe.
[04:41] <ogra> ok
[04:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: lock your kids in their rooms tonight.
[04:41] <highvoltage> or sent them to your mother.
[04:41] <ogra> Kamion gets the first piece !
[04:41] <Mithrandir> jbailey: I'll have access to the i2o system next week or so, I hope.  It got punted a bit because of some hardware problems.
[04:41] <jbailey> Mithrandir: It's all good.
[04:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: good idea!
[04:42] <jbailey> I don't suppose there's cheap consumer grade i2o systems are there? =(
[04:42] <Mithrandir> jbailey: hahahahahha.
[04:42] <hunger> pitti: several people claim so, I have not seen it myself yet.
[04:42] <jbailey> I ought to try and acquire one for dapper if we want to support that grade of hardware.
[04:42] <hunger> pitti: My encryption scheme is a bit too ... involved ... to test this with.
[04:42] <jdub> yay
[04:43] <jdub> nokia are going to send my 770 to montreal!
[04:43] <Mithrandir> fish!
[04:47] <jbailey> jdub: Where are you having it sent to?
[04:47] <jbailey> jdub: If you want, you can use my address.
[04:47] <jdub> jbailey: the hotel, methinks
[04:47] <jdub> jbailey: NOT ON YOUR LIFE!
[04:47] <mjg59> jeff, you haven't even touched your chicken yet
[04:47] <jdub> good try though
[04:47] <jbailey> mjg59: Err, what?
[04:47] <jbailey> Oh.
[04:47] <jbailey> *him*
[04:47] <ajmitch> heh :)
[04:48] <jdub> he's hassling me for eating my vegetables first
[04:48] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Uh, what did you add? Docbook export?
[04:48] <jbailey> jdub: I think that's perfectly reasonable.
[04:48] <mjg59> jbailey: But you're a food deviant
[04:48] <dholbach> mvirkkil: erm?
[04:48] <infinity> kamion : Gone for the afternoon already?
[04:49] <Robot101> mjg59: stop IRCing and eat, you're the deviant
[04:49] <infinity> Kamion : If not, those uploads can be approved any time.
[04:49] <mjg59> Robot101: Hypocrite
[04:49] <dholbach> mvirkkil: what are you talking about?
[04:49] <Robot101> restaurants with wifi = win
[04:49] <dholbach> Robot101: i'm in a cafe with free wifi :)
[04:50] <mjg59> (Also: never drinking again)
[04:50] <jbailey> mjg59: Vegans taste better.
[04:51] <mvirkkil> dholbach: You wrote to me and said: "dude, I already did that" or something to that effect.
[04:52] <mvirkkil> 22:47:15< dholbach> mvirkkil: dude, i added that already
[04:52] <dholbach> mvirkkil: that must have been with lack of sleep, and i meant "mvo" - sorry for that
[04:52] <mvirkkil> dholbach: np
[04:52] <dholbach> :)
[04:52] <highvoltage> guys, what's going on with the wiki?
[04:53] <dholbach> highvoltage: what's wrong? is it slow?
[04:53] <highvoltage> no, all the pages were gone for a short while, now it's back. very strange.
[04:54] <highvoltage> i also got those python purple cgi error screens.
[04:54] <highvoltage> working now again too.
[05:03] <ogra> mjg59, so we wont see such funny uploads anymore ? bah...
[05:03] <mjg59> Haha
[05:03] <mjg59> I haven't actually signed the NDA yet
[05:04] <ogra> heh
[05:04] <elvirolo> hi guys
[05:05] <elvirolo> did the release go as you expected ?
[05:05] <bob2> breezy went out, mjg59 got drunk, everyone else went to sleep
[05:05] <bob2> more or less what everyone expected
[05:05] <elvirolo> great :)
[05:05] <bddebian> bob2: :-)
[05:06] <bddebian> Oh yeah we can vote on mjg59 today eh?
[05:06] <ogra> bddebian, tomorrow
[05:09] <bddebian> Tomorrow? I thought it said the 13th?
[05:09] <spayne> well done guys! i'm proud of you all :)
[05:09] <mjg59> bob2: I was drunk before Breezy released
[05:09] <mjg59> There was some champagne, though
[05:10] <Lathiat> mm, the poll page could do with some ui fixes ;p
[05:11] <bddebian> ogra: From the page: "The voting will be opened on 2005-10-13."
[05:11] <Lathiat> bddebian: says 2005-10-14 here
[05:11] <Lathiat> that might be timezone converted or something tho
[05:11] <bddebian> Hmm.  Must be a timezone thing :)
[05:20] <dieman> heh
[05:20] <dieman> that machine *still* has a load of 100
[05:20] <dieman> even after moving the nic
[05:20] <dieman> im thinking of bringing thttpd back up ;)
[05:22] <dieman> jeezus crhist
[05:22] <dieman> the box is doing 278-300 mbps
[05:24] <the--dud> grats folks, I'll be sure to update to breezy in a few weeks ;)
[05:32] <the--dud> even slashdotted the release of breezy, can't remember the last time a linux distro release was slashdotted :o
[05:33] <jbailey> I doubt if it's just /..
[05:33] <jbailey> It's not like the release date wasn't well publicised anyway.
[05:34] <highvoltage> and anticipated
[05:34] <Keybuk> slashdot like us today?
[05:35] <Keybuk> I was already weak because I'd managed to catch up with -bugs over just one cup of coffee
[05:35] <Amaranth> the--dud: every release of ubuntu has been /.ed
[05:36] <highvoltage> the top distro get's /.ed :)
[05:40] <Mirv> fi.archive.ubuntu.com seems not responding :( I guess it should be changed to point to se.archive.ubuntu.com if it can't be fixed
[05:41] <Kamion> Mirv: fi.archive == archive; it's just overloaded
[05:41] <Amaranth> us.archive is a real seperate mirror, right?
[05:41] <Mirv> Kamion: ok, thanks, tried to find out but couldn't
[05:41] <Amaranth> Mirv: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive might help
[05:42] <jdub> mdz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[05:42] <jdub> mdz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[05:42] <jdub> mdz: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
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[05:42] <Kamion> Mirv: well, compare 'host fi.archive.ubuntu.com' with 'host archive.ubuntu.com' and it should be obvious
[05:42] <Kamion> Amaranth: not atm
[05:42] <Kamion> it was, but I think it broke
[05:42] <Kinnison> jdub: have you sent me the details yet?
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[05:43] <zyga> geez
[05:43] <highvoltage>  _ __ ___   __| |___| |
[05:43] <highvoltage> | '_ ` _ \ / _` |_  / |
[05:43] <Robot101> EBLEEDINGEYES
[05:43] <highvoltage> | | | | | | (_| |/ /|_|
[05:43] <highvoltage> |_| |_| |_|\__,_/___(_)
[05:43] <highvoltage>
[05:43] <highvoltage> oops, that was a bit big.
[05:43] <highvoltage> sorry
[05:43] <Amaranth> ESTABPEOPLE
[05:43] <highvoltage> well if he doesn't see that he must be blind :P
[05:43] <jdub> highvoltage: -f small, dude
[05:44] <highvoltage> aah, /me makes mental note of that
[05:44] <zyga> jdub: banner didn't do that - what did you use?
[05:45] <jdub> figlet
[05:45] <Lathiat> figlet
[05:45] <Lathiat> eh
[05:45] <Lathiat> figlet happy bday | cowsay -n -f sodomized
[05:45] <Mirv> Kamion: true, true, I guess I'm tired as I didn't check that way
[05:46] <dieman> heh
[05:46] <dieman> ok i drank the lighhttpd kool-aide
[05:46] <dieman> and its worthless
[05:46] <dieman> back to apache we go
[05:46] <dieman> kool-aid, rather
[05:46] <juliux> pitti, ping
[05:46] <dholbach> bbiab
[05:46] <pitti> Hi juliux
[05:47] <zyga> for the first time in my life I cannot connect to nn.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <juliux> pitti, today release party in dresden?
[05:47] <the--dud> anyone tried to just switch out your sources.list from hoary to breezy yet?
[05:47] <the--dud> perhaps it wise to wait out a week or two for some bugs to go away
[05:47] <pitti> juliux: haven't heard about any, did you?
[05:47] <juliux> pitti, no but i see that you are also in dresden
[05:48] <pitti> juliux: I am, right
[05:50] <Diziet> keybuk: Why does hct depend on python (>= 2.4) rather than python2.4 ?  That makes it hard to get it to install on sarge.
[05:50] <Keybuk> dunno
[05:51] <Keybuk> I think that's what Python Policy told me to do
[05:51] <Diziet> In fact, it depends on both.
[05:51] <Diziet> Which is just bizarre.
[05:51] <Keybuk> there used to be 2.3 packages too
[05:52] <Keybuk> but I dropped support for them
[05:52] <Diziet> So you're doing `support one or several Particular Version(s)' ?  In which case the Depends: python (>= 2.4) is wrong I think.
[05:53] <infinity> Python policy says that metapackages should depend on "foo-python$(current-default)" and "python (>> foo) (<< bar)", while the packages the metapackages depend on should just depend on python-$(version they use), no?
[05:53] <Kamion> if you're using /usr/bin/python, you do need a dependency on python
[05:53] <Kamion> (so perhaps DDTT, haven't checked)
[05:53] <Diziet> There's no reason for the metapackages here, since hct only works with 2.4 and the python hct module is for hct.
[05:53] <Diziet> kamion: Indeed, it doesn't do that.
[05:54] <Kamion> ok
[05:54] <Diziet> The situation we have atm is that hct only works if the default python is 2.4 which isn't true in sarge.
[05:54] <Diziet> Err, only installs.
[05:55] <Diziet> I haven't tried forcing the dependencies.  That would probably work.
[05:55] <Kamion> 16:07 < CIA-4> debian-installer: jdthood-guest * r31356 packages/netcfg/
[05:55] <Kamion>                (debian/changelog netcfg-common.c): Eliminate
[05:55] <Kamion>                localhost.localdomain as name of <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:55] <Kamion> woo, about time
[05:55] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[05:55] <Keybuk> I care about sarge -> <- this much right now :p
[05:55] <infinity> etch, even.
[05:55] <Kamion> and unstable
[05:55] <infinity> But, we also use that default in ubuntu.
[05:56] <Diziet> kamion: *excellent*
[05:56] <Kamion> Keybuk: won't it break when we switch to python 2.5 as default, too?
[05:56] <Keybuk> Kamion: then I'll fix it :p
[05:56] <Kamion> I mean, if you're using /usr/bin/python2.4
[05:56] <Keybuk> I think I just use /usr/bin/env python
[05:56] <Diziet> keybuk: Fair enough.  I just thought I'd mention itt.  Perhaps you can fix this next time you happen to be in the general area.
[05:56] <Keybuk> Diziet: yeah, will re-read python policy again
[05:56] <Diziet> root@anarres:/work# head -1 /usr/bin/hct
[05:56] <Diziet> #!/usr/bin/python2.4
[05:56] <Keybuk> hmm, maybe the python installer does something with that then
[05:56] <Keybuk> it's #!/usr/bin/env python in arch
[05:57] <pitti> Keybuk: you should at least usr #!/usr/bin/python, otherwise you will get a bug from `anthony that hct breaks on his machine
[05:57] <Diziet> When you do, remember that you want `Support one or several Particular Version(s)' and not `Support All/Most Versions (Including Default)'
[05:57] <siretart> is hct somewhere publicy availabe?
[05:57] <infinity> Kamion : Are we going to make that same change in dapper, then?
[05:57] <Kamion> Diziet: localhost.localdomain> discussion established that nobody really knew why it had been introduced in the first place, and it seemed to kind of appear out of nowhere in the bug log with no justification
[05:57] <pitti> Keybuk: (which still has python1.5 in its $PATH)
[05:57] <Kamion> infinity: hell yeah
[05:57] <infinity> Kamion : I patched a couple of packages in breezy to deal with that oddity.
[05:57] <infinity> Kamion : But they should also deal the other way (I made sure of that)
[05:57] <Keybuk> pitti: I plan to re-do the packaging before it's released
[05:57] <trulux> heya fellows
[05:57] <Keybuk> the current stuff is iterally a 5s hack
[05:57] <Kamion> infinity: we'll have to deal with it for breezy installs anyway :-/
[05:58] <trulux> pitti: morning! found some bugs in my vsec packages, going to upload fixed ones now
[05:58] <Kamion> although possibly hoary installs too, I don't recall exactly when it was introduced
[05:58] <jdub> YAY Kamion!
[05:58] <trulux> pitti: just a typo in postinst script and also needs to update modules.conf
[05:59] <infinity> Kamion : Might have been hoary, one of the bugs I fixed was pretty old.
[05:59] <Diziet> #!/usr/bin/env python> I think that's wrong.  That'll mean that when you upgrade the default python version, hct will stop working.  Or, to look at it another way, people won't be able to change to a release with a different default python version unless you fettle hct first.
[05:59] <infinity> Using #!/usr/bin/env python means you need the (>> foo) (<< bar) dependencies.
[06:00] <infinity> Using #!/usr/bin/python2.4 means you can just depend on python2.4
[06:00] <infinity> The latter seems more desireable.
[06:00] <Diziet> Quite so.
[06:00] <infinity> (for ease of upgrades)
[06:02] <Keybuk> right, but it looks like the python setup.py thing rewrites the #! line anyway
[06:03] <Kamion> sigh, installs are annoyingly slow when archive is overloaded
[06:04] <infinity> Everything is annoyingly slow when the archive is overloaded.
[06:04] <Nafallo> Kamion: you're lucky. I'm still trying to fetch Packages, Sources and Releases :-P
[06:04] <bddebian> No shix :-(
[06:05] <Diziet> kamion: I'm considering having my firewall intercept my testbed's requests and divert them to the local mirror ...
[06:06] <Kamion> Diziet: I think I might start routinely preseeding mirror/http/proxy or whatever it is
[06:06] <\sh> did isa y 2 hours sleeping? don't trust me
[06:06] <Diziet> It doesn't seem to find a proxy or anything.
[06:06] <Kamion> I think 'install mirror/http/proxy=http://wwwcache:3128/' would work
[06:06] <Diziet> I should really RTFM, shouldn't I ? :-)
[06:07] <Diziet> mirror/http/proxy=http://mirror.relativity.greenend.org.uk/ubuntu/ or some such.
[06:07] <Kamion> oh, it's a deficiency in the installer that it doesn't ask for a proxy, really, I feel; it was one of the casualties of the "as few questions as possible" thing
[06:07] <Kamion> Diziet: if that's actually a mirror rather than an HTTP proxy, you'd have to resort to different tricks
[06:07] <Diziet> It could try to discover one by speculating in the dns.
[06:07] <infinity> Does it kick back out and ask for a proxy if the main mirror times out?
[06:08] <Kamion> oh, now, that's tempting
[06:08] <Diziet> Oh, how annoying.
[06:08] <Kamion> infinity: no
[06:08] <infinity> Yeah, that's a deficiency, then.
[06:08] <infinity> Few questions good, if we fall back.
[06:08] <Kamion> if the main mirror times out, we assume you're non-networked and leave you alone
[06:08] <Kamion> but that may not be an entirely accurate assumption
[06:08] <Diziet> Often not, if your network admin is at all paranoid.
[06:08] <Kamion> and besides, not everyone denies non-proxied requests - for some people they're just slower or, worse, more expensive
[06:09] <infinity> That wouldn't be correct at any university campus I've been on in the last 5 years.
[06:09] <Kamion> (c.f. cam.ac.uk international traffic charging)
[06:11] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/powerpc/workstation pass
[06:12] <Kamion> I do like the Edubuntu icon theme and font. Pleasingly different.
[06:12] <Keybuk> I like the edubuntu logo, it's clever
[06:13] <Keybuk> me! oh, me! missss! pick me! me! me! ohhhh miss!
[06:13] <\sh> Kamion: didn't you want sleep?
[06:13] <\sh> +to
[06:13] <Kamion> \sh: I had a couple of hours
[06:14] <dieman> crazy
[06:14] <dieman> i know tds.net has way more hw than i do
[06:14] <\sh> Kamion: good to hear
[06:14] <dieman> and their mirror box is only saying its doing 341mbps
[06:14] <dieman> im doing ~300mbps
[06:14] <dieman> and im on crap for hardware.
[06:15] <Kinnison> infinity: yeesh that's big
[06:15] <infinity> Kinnison : The ccache on the buildds is ~20 gigs per machine.
[06:15] <bddebian> OK, time to open up the Dapper repos? ;-P
[06:15] <infinity> Royal's cache corrupted horribly at some point and ccache segvs if you look at it sideways.
[06:15] <infinity> So, away it goes.
[06:16] <\sh> Rest In Peace
[06:16] <infinity> The really sad thing is that royal's been out of rotation for weeks, and I've only now found the time to debug it -- which took about 5 minutes.
[06:17] <infinity> Oh well.  The last few weeks were easy on the buildds, I don't think anyone even noticed we were missing one. :)
[06:17] <Kamion> dieman: my wife is wondering how many sides you've got
[06:17] <Kamion> "he might be a d10 or a d20 ... oh"
[06:17] <Kinnison> bddebian: Tuesday
[06:17] <infinity> Kamion : dPi, I'd assume from his domain.
[06:17] <Kamion> cute, fractal
[06:17] <infinity> I'm not sure how you can have Pi sides, but whatever. :)
[06:18] <Kinnison> infinity: a very very spethul die
[06:20] <bddebian> heh
[06:20] <Kinnison> bddebian: in all seriousness, dapper won't be open until tuesday or so, sorry
[06:21] <bddebian> Kinnison: I was only kidding.  I actually need to take a little time off to do my RL job anyway ;-)
[06:21] <dieman> heh
[06:21] <Kamion> Kinnison: any germinate stuff I can do for you? I have some spare time
[06:21] <Kamion> for once
[06:21] <Kinnison> Kamion: germinate ain't going in for now
[06:21] <Kinnison> Kamion: more useful would be for you to write a raw-installer processor
[06:21] <Kamion> how's main being determined?
[06:22] <Kinnison> Kamion: germinate + script-run-on-ftpmaster
[06:22] <Kamion> manual check?
[06:22] <Kinnison> aye
[06:22] <Kamion> ok, good
[06:22] <Kamion> raw-installer> hmm. most of it's easy enough, the mildly awkward bit is cleaning up the old images
[06:22] <Kinnison> Kamion: so yeah, a raw-installer installer, and working on getting the CD building utterly automated would be nice
[06:23] <Kamion> we can talk about this at UBZ, but I'd really like to start off dapper with CD building still happening the way it does now
[06:23] <Kinnison> okay that's fine
[06:23] <Kinnison> but the installer stuff seriously needs doing
[06:23] <Kinnison> and I simply don't have time right now
[06:23] <Kamion> this is going to be our enterprise release, and CD-build work hasn't even been properly specced yet - we need to get CDs out early in the dapper cycle or it won't weork
[06:24] <bddebian> Maybe I should shoot for main rights during Dapper.  Wouldn't that scare some people :-)
[06:24] <Kamion> Kinnison: how does your morgue-equivalent work?
[06:24] <Kinnison> Kamion: If it made it far enough to get into the archive, it's in the librarian until it's explicitly discarded
[06:25] <\sh> woa...now I see first, that infinity had the last upload for breezy...
[06:25] <Kamion> when should unpacked installer tarballs be discarded?
[06:25] <Kamion> oh, only manually, you mean?
[06:25] <infinity> Hrm, so I did.
[06:25] <Kinnison> Kamion: not sure what we're doing about installer tarballs currently
[06:25] <Kinnison> Kamion: there's nowhere in the db for them to go
[06:26] <Kamion> that makes it hard to do raw-installer processing, I'd've thought ;)
[06:26] <Kinnison> Kamion: basically assume you're given the archive root, the tarfile path, the distrorelease name, and go from there
[06:27] <Kinnison> Kamion: that way I can invoke you when it's time to be installed
[06:27] <Kamion> Kinnison: righto, I'll experiment - Friday or Monday, not sure what's on my plate tomorrow yet
[06:27] <\sh> time to get up from my bed, having a shower and going out for dinner
[06:28] <Kinnison> Kamion: okay
[06:28] <Kamion> Kinnison: ok to write just a function that does it, or something, and leave you to work out where to put it in launchpad?
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: Have a beer on me ;-)
[06:28] <Kinnison> Kamion: Either a shell script, or a nice self-contained python module is best
[06:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: I'm happy to put either into launchpad as needed
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: i think i need some food first
[06:29] <Kamion> Kinnison: do you have a dpkg version comparison routine in lp already?
[06:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: yes
[06:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: we have the one from sourcerer
[06:29] <Kamion> what does it look like to the caller?
[06:29] <Kamion> (I need it to do purging of older images)
[06:29] <Travis_Watkins_> hrm, no separator between gnome-app-install and the rest of the menu :/
[06:30] <Kinnison> You'll be given a callable which when you pass it a string will give you back an object you can use standard python comparators with
[06:30] <dholbach> re
[06:30] <Kinnison> Kamion: will that do?
[06:30] <Kamion> Kinnison: so I can pass in all the versions found in that directory, get a list of objects, and sort
[06:30] <Kamion> that'll do fine
[06:31] <Kinnison> okay sure, we can make the contract list->list
[06:31] <Amaranth> ack, oo2 menu entries are using oo1 icons
[06:31] <Kinnison> In fact, if you're gonna be like that, you can do something like: string_version_list.sort(key=DebianVersionType)
[06:32] <Kinnison> Kamion: whatever contract you decide on, we can do, or I can refactor your code afterwards
[06:32] <Kamion> ok - I mean, the versions are such that plain sort will basically work anyway, but I'd rather be correct
[06:33] <Kinnison> We'll work something out
[06:33] <Kamion> note that the last stage of d-i byhand processing is lisa'ing the .changes into the archive
[06:33] <Kamion> I trust you can take care of that bit
[06:34] <Kinnison> Remember that launchpad won't have byhand
[06:34] <Kamion> yes, I know
[06:34] <Kinnison> raw-installer is just a custom upload format :-)
[06:34] <Kamion> but I mean of the procedure we currently follow that I'll be converting
[06:34] <Kamion> I know, I (co-)invented raw-installer ;-)
[06:34] <Kinnison> so yes, your stuff will be invoked at the point that the equivalent of lisa'ing in the .changes would take place
[06:34] <Kamion> (for the purposes of lp later)
[06:34] <Kamion> all right, fine
[06:35] <Kinnison> thanks dude
[06:35] <Kinnison> sorry if I'm being obtuse or unclear
[06:35] <Kamion> not at all
[06:35] <Kamion> I'm on two hours sleep, I'm far more likely to suffer from that
[06:35] <Kinnison> dude, go rest
[06:35] <Kamion> can't sleep, clowns will eat me
[06:36] <infinity> Kinnison : Does launchpad have a way for us to add translation tarballs to a .changes in a binary upload and have them automagically imported (or, at least, stored somewhere for later import)?
[06:36] <the--dud> haha
[06:36] <Kinnison> infinity: We'll have a form for that yes
[06:36] <Kinnison> infinity: to get rid of the evil pkgstriptranslations bollocks we currently have
[06:37] <Kinnison> infinity: basically get them directly imported into rosetta :-)
[06:37] <infinity> Kinnison : Okay.  We'll need it pretty much at dapper open, unless we want to give pitti http access to the buildds to pull the tarballs by hand as we do now.
[06:37] <Kinnison> infinity: i'll sic Carlos on it tomorrow :-)
[06:37] <infinity> Kinnison : I assume pkgstriptranslations will stay, it'll just drop the tarball in dpkg-distaddfile, no?
[06:37] <Kinnison> aye
[06:37] <Kinnison> sorry, that, yes
[06:38] <infinity> The importing part is less important than the uploading part for Tuesday, I assume.
[06:38] <infinity> But the tarballs need to get off the buildds SOMEHOW, and if they're locked down, the only way is through .changes.
[06:38] <Kinnison> indeedy
[06:39] <infinity> Alright.  Just wanted to make sure you were still on that.  I'll leave you the heck alone, then. :)
[06:39] <Kinnison> thanks
[06:39] <infinity> And I'll remind pitti that the very first thing we need in dapper is a new pkgstriptranslations upload that switches to using dpkg-distaddfile.
[06:39] <pitti> infinity: I should prepare and test this a bit before it becomes urgent
[06:40] <infinity> Easy enough to make it work.
[06:40] <infinity> Kinnison will have to give you the magic section and priority, though.
[06:40] <Kinnison> pick one and tell me
[06:40] <infinity> Cause that's how it will be keyed, I assume.
[06:40] <Kinnison> the magic section is raw-installer for d-i
[06:40] <Kinnison> how about raw-translations
[06:40] <infinity> What's d-i using?
[06:40] <infinity> Kay.  And you don't care about priority, then?
[06:40] <Kamion> I originally suggested raw-* as a general "weird shit" namespacew
[06:41] <Kamion> so raw-translations sounds good
[06:41] <infinity> Yeah, that sounds fair to me.
[06:41] <Kinnison> infinity: priority should be a single hyphen
[06:41] <Kinnison> infinity: as per the installer
[06:41] <infinity> Check.
[06:41] <infinity> pitti : Got that?
[06:41] <Kinnison> infinity: MD5SUM SIZE raw-translations - some_grungy_name.tar.gz
[06:42] <pitti> Kinnison, infinity: noted in my TODO
[06:42] <infinity> Don't need md5sum and size, dpkg-distaddfile does that.
[06:42] <Kinnison> infinity: aye
[06:42] <pitti> nice to see that cleaned up finally
[06:42] <Kinnison> infinity: I'm just saying what I expect to see in the Files: section
[06:42] <infinity> pitti : dpkg-distaddfile foo.tar.gz raw-translations -
[06:42] <infinity> Kinnison : Right.
[06:42] <carlos> Kinnison hmm so we will get direct upload into Rosetta next Tuesday?
[06:43] <Kinnison> carlos: that's the aim
[06:43] <infinity> pitti : And keep the current tarball naming scheme, as the archive will blow up if you revert to having several with the same name. :)
[06:44] <carlos> cool
[06:47] <Amaranth> the forums don't allow access to -devel anymore?
[06:47] <MasterC> hi
[06:55] <mdke> elmo, Znarl, do you have an ETA for the help.ubuntu.com request?
[06:56] <Znarl> mdke : It's urgent?
[06:56] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu/powerpc/server pass
[06:58] <mdz> Kamion: I'm getting a fair amount of mail from people who can't find the DVD images
[06:58] <mdke> Znarl, fairly
[06:59] <Kamion> mdz: yeah, I'm going to stick a link in, I've just been too busy with Edubuntu testing
[06:59] <mdz> unfortunately, we didn't include a link to /download/ in the announcement
[06:59] <Kamion> (and not having an afternoon off as a result)
[06:59] <mdz> so the only place people look is releases
[07:02] <Znarl> mdke : ok, done.
[07:02] <mdke> Znarl, awesome
[07:03] <mdke> Znarl, ugh, hang on, is it pointing at the ip for that server, or something else?
[07:03] <Znarl> The IP.
[07:03] <mdke> hmm
[07:03] <mdke> ok there must be something wrong our side then
[07:04] <Znarl> Check you don't have a cached DNS entry.
[07:04] <mdz> Kamion: where is ogra?
[07:04] <mdke> Znarl, don't think so, i'll play with apache. it should be pointing it at another virtual server, but it is pointing it at doc.ubuntu.com right now
[07:05] <Znarl> ok, let me know if you need anything else.
[07:05] <mdke> Znarl, thanks
[07:13] <pvanhoof> We have an urgent need for Ubuntu cd's for professional/sales purposes in Belgium (so more urgent than the shipit.ubuntu.org can deliver it)
[07:13] <pvanhoof> who should be contact?
[07:13] <pvanhoof> s/be/we
[07:13] <pvanhoof> We have also a few questions about branding possibilities
[07:14] <pvanhoof> And like to closely work with Canonical/Ubuntu on a few topics
[07:14] <pvanhoof> +together
[07:14] <mdke> pvanhoof, you should contact your locoteam probably, they can help with expedited shipments of cd's if you can justify it
[07:14] <janimo> daniels, ping
[07:15] <pvanhoof> ok
[07:15] <pvanhoof> locoteam, do they have a phone, address, url?
[07:15] <infinity> janimo : It's 3am in Australia. :)
[07:15] <mdke> pvanhoof, belgium does not have one afaics, you can try the french one (ubuntu-fr.org)
[07:16] <janimo> infinity, ok
[07:17] <pvanhoof> ok
[07:17] <ompaul> pvanhoof, so pay for them the artwork is there and copy shops can do the job :)
[07:17] <janimo> X would not install here
[07:17] <janimo> something chaged in the last X uploads, re blacklisting of some ati cards and the noaccel option
[07:17] <pvanhoof> ompaul, yes well.. we could do the artwork/our logo for the branding stuff. That wouldn't be a problem. We can even compile the liveCD itself. It's maintly the pressing of cd's and the approval to do this etcetera
[07:18] <mdke> Znarl, it is not a redirect or anything right? It is an A record?
[07:18] <Znarl> help.ubuntu.com.        1800    IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:18] <TMM> hey, just out of curiousity, I just upgraded a hoary box to breezy with the CD, and then added breezy apt mirrors, and now it's upgrading a whole bunch of stuff from main... are the cd's outdated already?
[07:19] <mdke> Znarl, ok thanks, sorry to bother
[07:19] <Znarl> No problem.
[07:20] <Nafallo> TMM: no, but not everything from main is on the cd...
[07:20] <ompaul> pvanhoof, there _should_ be no problem with that, just drop a note to canonical if you feel uneasy, however the back of the printed copy says: You are legally entitled and encouraged to copy, share and redistribute this Cd for yourself and your friends. Share the spirit of Ubuntu.
[07:21] <pvanhoof> of course
[07:21] <pvanhoof> but .. we'd like to change for example the default background of the default theme
[07:21] <pvanhoof> stuff like that
[07:21] <TMM> Nafallo, ah, that explains it then, I thought it was, never checked, thanks a bundle!
[07:21] <pvanhoof> and change the printed image on the cds etcetera
[07:22] <TMM> Nafallo, I have at leat 20 hoary boxes to upgrade this week, so it's nice to know ;)
[07:22] <pvanhoof> well, it'd be nice if we could do that
[07:22] <pvanhoof> and also get assistance with pressing the cd's. Perhaps letting canonical press 'em
[07:22] <Nafallo> TMM: :-)
[07:22] <Nafallo> TMM: the dvd should have all of main if that's an option...
[07:22] <pvanhoof> Our story is that we will be telling our potential customers about Linux on the desktop
[07:22] <Nafallo> or rather all of ubuntu-supported :-)
[07:22] <pvanhoof> and we'd like to give 'em Ubuntu LiveCD's (and install cd's) as gadget
[07:23] <TMM> Nafallo, I've got a DVD burner, does shipit also ship DVD's these days?
[07:23] <Nafallo> nope
[07:23] <Nafallo> but cdimage.ubuntu.com does.
[07:23] <TMM> Nafallo, is the DVD image ready yet? might as well download it now, save me a lot of downloading on crap connections
[07:23] <TMM> whoops, linky :) thanks
[07:24] <ogra> mdz, was buying a new dvd writer
[07:24] <ogra> Kamion, thanks :)
[07:24] <TMM> Nafallo, my evangelism for normal users has gotten a little bit out of hand :)
[07:24] <Nafallo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/release/
[07:24] <pvanhoof> Anyway, I informed our Sales dude about ubuntu-fr.org
[07:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:24] <TMM> Nafallo, is there a mirror? it's not loading...
[07:25] <Nafallo> dunno. there should be a list of them somewhere...
[07:26] <TMM> Nafallo, I'll just dig around a bit then, thanks a bundle!
[07:26] <zyga> hmm
[07:26] <zyga> since when do we mount /lib/modues/`uname -r`/volatile over tmpfs
[07:28] <Nafallo> TMM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:29] <Nafallo> looks empty :-P
[07:29] <infinity> zyga : Since we devised volatile?
[07:30] <zyga> good answer, my question was bad
[07:30] <zyga> why do we do it? :)
[07:30] <infinity> To avoid shipping GPL-incompatible modules linked with the kernel.
[07:31] <infinity> They get linked on boot instead.
[07:31] <infinity> See /sbin/lrm-manager
[07:31] <zyga> :-)
[07:31] <Kamion> ogra: you will have to do all of the DVD testing
[07:31] <Kamion> I can't give it any more time
[07:31] <zyga> I see GPL 3 explicitly prohibiting this ;-))
[07:31] <ogra> Kamion, thast why i bought a writer...
[07:32] <Kamion> ogra: you definitely need to get more volunteers to help with testing before the next time we have to do this
[07:32] <Kamion> this has been far too drawn-out and painful
[07:32] <ogra> Kamion, or more HW, i simplyhave no amd64 and ppc around...
[07:32] <infinity> More people is better anyway.
[07:32] <Kamion> trust me, go for more people more importantly
[07:32] <infinity> Different testers test differently sand find different bugs.
[07:32] <infinity> s/sand/and/
[07:32] <ogra> ppc == GFs workplace, i'll trysh it today :/
[07:33] <ogra> Kamion, if i have to do the next release as one man show again, i'll give up on edubuntu... but i suspect we'll attract soem people soon
[07:35] <ogra> Kamion, its was never planned that you do this much testing for me, i'd have expected some help from others here too
[07:35] <bddebian> ogra: :'-(
[07:36] <Amaranth> hey jdub you scare the shit out of the KDE guys, way to go ;)
[07:37] <bddebian> hehe
[07:37] <TMM> Nafallo, thanks :)
[07:38] <TMM> all ubuntu.com stuff is rather sluggish, I wonder how THAT can be? :)
[07:38] <sivang> Happy release day everyone!!!
[07:41] <infinity> mdz : Was it you that just REJECTED all the pending universe binary builds?
[07:41] <Riddell> Amaranth: how does he do that?
[07:41] <mdz> infinity: nope
[07:41] <Amaranth> Riddell: http://www.realistanew.com/random/kde-boston2005.txt
[07:41] <infinity> Weird.  The buildds just got a mess of REJECTED for the last few universe uploads that were made at the 0-hour yesterday.
[07:42] <elmo> because I just rejected them?
[07:42] <infinity> Ah.
[07:43] <Riddell> Amaranth: who put that up?
[07:43] <Amaranth> Riddell: well, that's my website
[07:43] <Amaranth> Riddell: I
[07:43] <Amaranth> err, I'd rather not say where i got it originally
[07:43] <Riddell> Amaranth: where did you get it from?
[07:45] <infinity> elmo : I assumed you were letting binary builds trickle in for a bit, s'all.
[07:46] <infinity> (for universe, that is, obviously not for main)
[07:46] <elmo> infinity: dude, I did - for like t+12 hours
[07:46] <elmo> the REJECTs you just got were all for NEW stuff
[07:46] <fabbione> elmo: thanks a lot for all your work! you ROCK!
[07:47] <bddebian> jbailey: ;-)
[07:47] <dholbach> jbailey: i like him that way... fabbione: you ROCK too :)
[07:47] <infinity> elmo : Yeah, I know it was sitting in NEW.  No big deal.
[07:47] <infinity> (not like I much care, was more just curious)
[07:48] <sabdfl> maswan: you are a superstar for your mirror
[07:49] <maswan> about 10TB so far, it seems. some of that (probably 1-2TB) is not ubuntu though, but the rest. :)
[07:50] <maswan> lots of breezy goodness
[07:51] <Nafallo> or atleast make all of EU's CC. go to se. till we find some :-P
[07:52] <rob^^^> hrmm
[07:52] <rob^^^> I did a dist-upgrade -y and it still prompted me to restart services :(
[07:53] <ogra> Kamion, was that a pass for all three installs on ppc ?
[07:56] <maswan> sabdfl: and thanks, we do our best. I think the netadmins here will be happy for the stresstest we gave them too. :)
[07:56] <sabdfl> i dont even want to think what your internal switches must look like
[07:56] <sabdfl> black magic
[07:56] <fabbione> elmo: is http on ports.u.c down??
[07:57] <fabbione> elmo: i get connection timeout
[07:57] <fabbione> or is it just busy to death?
[07:57] <fabbione> Znarl: ^^
[07:58] <\sh> I'll think I'll ask our dc managers if it's possible to setup an ubuntu mirror at ISH...
[07:58] <HiddenWolf_> Damnit, 5.10 broke my laptop
[07:59] <blueyed> Thanks! :)
[07:59] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: no. your laptop broke 5.10
[07:59] <HiddenWolf_> fabbione, I had a laptop that could connect over ppp to the internet on 5.04, and now it won't. :P
[08:00] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: that's becasue 5.10 is too 31337 for your lappy
[08:00] <fabbione> ;)
[08:00] <\sh> ubuntu just works (TM)
[08:00] <HiddenWolf_> fabbione, and pon gives that poor laptop an ipv6 IP on a ipv4 network.
[08:01] <Znarl> fabbione : It's just terribly slow right now.
[08:01] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: nononono.. the IPv6 address you see it's probably a fe80:: something. That's normal
[08:01] <fabbione> Znarl: ok thanks! i am much more happy to know that's slow :)
[08:01] <infinity> elmo : Did you catch Kamion's patch to turn on breezy-security in backscroll?
[08:01] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: and interfaces can share more than just one protocol
[08:02] <infinity> elmo : Ahh, obviously you got it fixed, since wanna-build's now happy.  Nevermind.
[08:04] <HiddenWolf_> fabbione, running pppoeconf, ok > pon ok, > ping google not ok.
[08:04] <dredg> i can assure you that google is up :)
[08:05] <infinity> HiddenWolf_ : pppoeconf may not always upgrade terribly cleanly.  Try removing all the pppoe-related stuff from /etc/network/interfaces, then pppoeconf.
[08:05] <HiddenWolf_> dredg, yup, so my eth0 is not. :)
[08:05] <fabbione> HiddenWolf_: check the routing and see if you can actually resolve names
[08:05] <elmo> fabbione: it's busy
[08:05] <fabbione> elmo: yup.. fine with that :))
[08:08] <maswan> fabbione: just busy, I've seen a few similar reports on security.u.c too.
[08:08] <juliux> ogra, ping
[08:08] <ogra> juliux, see /msg :)
[08:09] <HiddenWolf_> infinity, I'll try that.
[08:11] <elmo> redirecting s.u.c to a less busy host
[08:11] <elmo> I'll do the same for ports in a sec
[08:14] <spayne> what is up with gb.archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:14] <spayne> DoS?
[08:15] <elmo> spayne: we released something called breezy today - maybe you heard of it?
[08:15] <speel> spayne, ubuntu = very popular + servers = overloaded
[08:15] <spayne> elmo: somehow - i must have :)
[08:15] <spayne> elmo: just wondering if there was anything particular up or just the huge load?
[08:16] <spayne> elmo: since i made a 1 in 16000 contribution, i know about it :)
[08:16] <speel> i hope the servers come back to life soon lol
[08:18] <\sh> bddebian: we love u, too :)
[08:18] <bddebian> :-)
[08:24] <\sh> JaneW: thx for the pictures of the edubuntu cake...now I'm hungry again
[08:24] <Nafallo> cake?
[08:25] <\sh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/
[08:25] <Nafallo> I want one of those! :-(
[08:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: I got rpppoe to connect, but it doesn't come up on boot.
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> infinity: any idea. ^^
[08:28] <Lathiat> haha thast awesome
[08:28] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: did you re-run pppoeconf?
[08:28] <Lathiat> and make sure you cleared interfaces first?
[08:28] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: cleared as in 'erased' ?
[08:28] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: noooo
[08:28] <Lathiat> hi	as in, delete dthe ppp related stuff out of it
[08:28] <Lathiat> gah sslag
[08:29] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: everything about ppp and dsl-provider?
[08:29] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yes
[08:29] <bddebian> Wow, not to be a pig but Jane is an attractive woman. :-)
[08:30] <Lathiat> i think bddebian wants some edubuntu cake ;p
[08:31] <jbailey> bddebian: "Not to be a pig, but I"m going to be anyway..." sort of thing? =)
[08:32] <bddebian> jbailey: Uhm, yeah apparently :-)
[08:32] <Lathiat> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-10--13,raw,traffic-kbit
[08:32] <Lathiat> wow, still running full ball
[08:32] <Lathiat> i wonder how long till it starts to fall off
[08:32] <Lathiat> and i wonder what canonicals mirrors are doing
[08:32] <jbailey> bddebian: Just so we're clear on the concept ;)
[08:33] <hidde> Lathiat I can run pppoeconf, but I have to manually run pon anyway
[08:33] <maswan> Lathiat: even worse, but with a limit of 750Mbit/s.
[08:33] <bddebian> Bah, she's away anyway.. ;-P
[08:34] <Lathiat> maswan: hrm?
[08:34] <Kamion> ogra: hmm
[08:34] <ogra> Kamion, did you run all three tests for ppc already ?
[08:34] <Kamion> ogra: so, powerpc/edubuntu/default fails at "Build LTSP chroot", because there's no 'linux' package on powerpc
[08:35] <ogra> f*ck
[08:35] <ogra> Kamion, why is that ? dont we have a kernel on ppc ?
[08:35] <maswan> Lathiat: the uk ones only have 750Mbit/s network capacity. and I think they have worse load than we have.
[08:35] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: any idea?
[08:35] <Lathiat> maswan: oh, right
[08:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: what have you done?
[08:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: removed it all and reran pppoeconf?
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: yup
[08:36] <Lathiat> if that didnt work, please pastebin me your interfaces file
[08:36] <Kamion> ogra: hardly :-P
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat: one sec
[08:36] <Kamion> ogra: linux-powerpc and linux-powerpc64 are not compatible; unlike other architectures, there's no generic kernel that fits both
[08:37] <Znarl> We're still stuck on 750Megabits.
[08:37] <ogra> Kamion, damned...
[08:37] <ogra> mdz, ping ?
[08:37] <Kamion> so, I can complete the rest of the install fine, I think
[08:38] <ogra> Kamion, does it throw you back to the menu or does it just fail and go on ?
[08:38] <Kamion> ogra: it throws me back to the menu; I have to skip the step and carry on
[08:38] <ogra> hmm, ok
[08:38] <Kamion> I assume nobody's ever tested powerpc before
[08:39] <ogra> i wonder if i can release such broken stuff...
[08:39] <Lathiat> i suppose mac minis could make ok thin clients or something :)
[08:39] <ogra> Kamion, you did iirc around preview, but there ltsp-client-builder was nonexistent
[08:41] <ogra> \sh, in the US macs are popular
[08:41] <bddebian> Nahhh :-)
[08:41] <\sh> ogra: but US != the World
[08:41] <Lathiat> \sh: but US  part of the world
[08:41] <ogra> \sh, k12ltsp is among ourtarget audience
[08:41] <Lathiat> err =
[08:41] <bddebian> Of course Mac == Intel now anyway right? :-)
[08:42] <Lathiat> altho i tend to think of it as its own world sometimes :)
[08:42] <ogra> bddebian, that doesnt save my release
[08:42] <\sh> and well...the amarok 1.3.3 crashes are annoying now
[08:42] <maswan> Lathiat: if we had enough resources to totally satisfy demand? anywhere from 4-10Gbit/s, I guess.
[08:42] <Lathiat> \sh: yes, i downgraded
[08:42] <bddebian> ogra: I know sorry.  I wish I still had a PowerPC box so I could help :-(
[08:42] <Lathiat> \sh: thank god we didnt do that
[08:42] <Lathiat> maswan: yeh thats what i was thinking
[08:42] <ogra> bddebian, nothing you can help with... the final iso is broken
[08:43] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, you need /etc/interfaces/network ?
[08:43] <\sh> Lathiat: the best decision ever..but cost a lot
[08:43] <Lathiat> maswan: bets on how long till it starts dropping noticably? :) was 24h or so last time no?
[08:43] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yes
[08:43] <Lathiat> \sh: cost what?
[08:43] <Lathiat> not driving me insane? :)
[08:43] <\sh> Lathiat: my braincells
[08:43] <maswan> Lathiat: my guess, in 2-6 hours, since by then it will be night.
[08:44] <mdz> ogra: yes?
[08:44] <ogra> mdz, any hint for me what i can do now ?
[08:44] <Lathiat> maswan: mm but this is a worldwide thing after all
[08:44] <mdz> ogra: what have you done so far?
[08:44] <Nafallo> maswan: ... and other people wake up... ;-)
[08:44] <ogra> mdz, ppc has no package called linux o_O i didnt know that
[08:44] <maswan> Lathiat: well, still, so far it has always dropped during the european night and then picked up again.
[08:44] <Lathiat> maswan: ah ok
[08:45] <ogra> mdz, all isos are tested, pc default install fails
[08:45] <Kamion> ogra: well, it's a bug in ltsp
[08:45] <Lathiat> well, i should goto bed its 2:50am and i have to leave for uni at 8 :\
[08:45] <maswan> Lathiat: for ubuntu, debian, and others.
[08:45] <Kamion> ogra: *powerpc*, not pc :)
[08:45] <ogra> Kamion, err, yes sorry
[08:45] <ogra> mdz, what Kamion said
[08:45] <mdz> ogra: ok, so powerpc is a bust
[08:46] <mdz> ogra: i386 and amd64 are all pass?
[08:46] <ogra> mdz, workstation install is fine... but thats not what you get by default
[08:46] <ogra> mdz, yup
[08:46] <Kamion> ogra: you have basically two choices: document the bug and live with the ltsp chroot being broken, or don't release the image
[08:46] <mdz> ok, then we can release with i386 and amd64
[08:46] <Kamion> I'm not sure whether the first is an option
[08:46] <ogra> Kamion, thats what i wanted to hear from mdz :)
[08:46] <Kamion> mdz: I've tested amd64 and it's fine; ogra (and others, I think) tested i386
[08:46] <ogra> yup
[08:46] <Kamion> powerpc workstation and server are fine but the default is broken
[08:46] <mdz> let's do it, then
[08:47] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3042
[08:47] <mdz> we also need to announce ubuntu-server
[08:47] <ogra> mdz, wipe ppc or note it in the install notes ?
[08:47] <Kamion> ogra: amd64 and i386 only
[08:47] <ogra> ok
[08:47] <Kamion> mdz: I've not had time to do further ubuntu-server testing
[08:47] <ogra> can we keep the ppc iso around anywhere ?
[08:47] <mdz> Kamion: you have new images with the corrected text?
[08:47] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[08:47] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: wow thats fucked up broken :(
[08:48] <mdz> Kamion: if so, I'll sanity-check them
[08:48] <Lathiat> hid	sigh
[08:48] <Kamion> mdz: ubuntu-server/amd64 passed my testing earlier today
[08:48] <mdz> Kamion: I tested the previous images x3 and they were 100%
[08:48] <Kamion> I have not tested i386 or powerpc
[08:48] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: i'll try look at fixing pppoeconf for -updates
[08:48] <mdz> i386, powerpc and amd64
[08:48] <mdz> yesterday
[08:48] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, the s on the first line is a typo, btw
[08:48] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yeh,
[08:48] <ogra> mdz, i have the DVD x86 here now, how much time do i have left for that and amd64 DVD (still need to download that one) ?
[08:48] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: well for now, move that pre-up above auto eth0
[08:48] <Kamion> ogra: I can keep it somewhere on cdimage, I suppose
[08:49] <Kamion> ogra: DVDs can be released separately later
[08:49] <mdz> ugh, rsync servers are busy
[08:49] <ogra> Kamion, great, in case someone wants it i can point him/her here with a hint
[08:49] <Nafallo> mdz: everything is buzy :-).
[08:49] <mdz> ogra: please don't
[08:49] <ogra> Kamion, yes, but i wanted to know when )
[08:49] <mdz> ogra: don't publish anything to anyone until it has been tested
[08:49] <Nafallo> except the buildds ;-)
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: as I said, downloading the amd64/i386 dvd iso..and I think tomorrow morning in the office, I'll burn at least i386 and test
[08:50] <ogra> mdz, ok, so we'll wipe it completely, fine with me ...
[08:50] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, so it's not me then? :)
[08:50] <ogra> \sh, concentrate on amd64, i already have x86 here
[08:50] <mdz> ogra: just wait until it can be tested
[08:50] <Kamion> ogra: tomorrow
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: amd64 will be a pain...but I'll ask henning
[08:50] <Kamion> >= tomorrow, anyway
[08:50] <mdz> ogra: assuming you're talking about the DVD.  the powerpc stuff should be taken down
[08:50] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: ok so, try moving that pre-up above the auto eth0 line
[08:50] <ogra> mdz, ah, you talk about the DVD
[08:50] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: let me know if that works
[08:50] <ogra> mdz, sorry, i'm slow
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: he owes me some favours
[08:51] <Lathiat> hid	that might work
[08:51] <ogra> \sh, just bring it with you tomorrow... i'll pay the beer then ;)
[08:51] <ogra> \sh, i'll wipe my laptop for the test :/
[08:51] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: can you mail lathiat at ubuntu.com if that works, im going to bed
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: k...no problem
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: but the beer is mine
[08:52] <\sh> ogra: I'll pay dude
[08:52] <ogra> ok ok
[08:52] <\sh> ogra: u'll pay the food ,-)
[08:52] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat,  let me see what a reboot does
[08:52] <ogra> \sh, fine as well
[08:52] <ogra> :)
[08:52] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, a minute or 2
[08:53] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: eh,, ok
[08:53] <ogra> Kamion, so can you publish ? i'll edit the announcement accordingly
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: and your shirt just came out of the washing machine :) so it's fresh when I return it to you :)
[08:54] <ogra> hehe
[08:55] <Kamion> ogra: in progress
[08:55] <ogra> yay
[08:55] <Lathiat> ouch, a.u.c really is getting eaten alive, 1.6K/s :\
[08:56] <ivoks> hi guys
[08:56] <maswan> Lathiat: be happy that you didn't get a timeout
[08:56] <ivoks> who's admin of lists.ubuntu.com?
[08:56] <Lathiat> maswan: heh
[08:56] <Lathiat> 480B/s, woo. :)
[08:57] <maswan> btw, elmo and Znarl: feel free to yank the other DC IP from releases.u.c, we seem to be doing fine here.
[08:59] <Kamion> meh, I hate that stupid publish-release bug
[08:59] <hidde> Lathiat: works nicely
[08:59] <maswan> Kamion: oh, we're still trying to get ubuntu-server. I think we have kubunty since 4 hours or so though.
[08:59] <Kamion> maswan: eek!
[08:59] <Lathiat> hidde: ah sweet thanks
[08:59] <Lathiat> hidde: can you mail me so i dont forget
[09:00] <hidde> Lathiat: i will when I'm back at my own pc. :)
[09:00] <maswan> Kamion: Yeah, we've been syncing all day. A good moment, we might get as much as 40k/s, but 20k/s is closer to typical rate.
[09:01] <Kamion> ouch
[09:01] <Kamion> I'd hoped the pre-publishing would sort out most of it, but evidently it just wasn't nearly enough time
[09:02] <maswan> it was fine for ubuntu, but by the time we were half-way through kubuntu, it slowed to a crawl.
[09:02] <maswan> well, almost done with kubuntu (only ppc left)
[09:02] <Kamion> ogra: syncing out to mirrors now
[09:03] <Kamion> (just symlink changes, metafiles, and removals)
[09:03] <ogra> yippie
[09:03] <HiddenWolf_> Oh my
[09:03] <Kamion> powerpc effectively disappeared, although the daily build is still there
[09:03] <maswan> Kamion: average over 100 seconds: 26214 bytes/s
[09:04] <HiddenWolf_> Oh no. :S
[09:04] <pitti> congrats ogra!
[09:05] <ogra> pitti, thanks :)
[09:05] <HiddenWolf_> Oh no^2 - I sent this guy from Tectonic.co.za an email, and he published it!
[09:05] <tankenmate> anyone had any problems with the stock amd64 install kernel? I'm have weird oops'es in memremap(). I've run memtest86 for 6 hours, and only one random glitch, but then kernel crashes everytime, a weird heisen / bohr bug combination...
[09:05] <Kamion> ogra: you'll have to wait until releases.u.c gets it throughout, though, and as above the Swedish mirror is behind
[09:06] <Kamion> maswan: if there's any way you could do a special catchup on edubuntu/ (should be quick), we'd all be very appreciative
[09:06] <ogra> Kamion, yup.. i'll wait
[09:06] <maswan> Kamion: I'll try
[09:06] <Kamion> thanks
[09:07] <tankenmate> no kernel hackers about?
[09:08] <\sh> Kamion: do u have a topo map of official ubuntu mirrors handy?
[09:08] <Kamion> \sh: no
[09:08] <Nafallo> trulux: did you grab my new-built ubuntu1 package? :-)
[09:08] <trulux> heya Nafallo !
[09:08] <trulux> Nafallo: going to do that right now
[09:08] <trulux> :)
[09:08] <trulux> good job
[09:08] <Nafallo> trulux: morning. no problem :-)
[09:08] <maswan> Kamion: probably done now, ogra should probably check though.
[09:09] <HiddenWolf_> I'm so embarrased.
[09:09] <ogra> maswan, will do, thanks
[09:09] <\sh> Kamion: k
[09:09] <tankenmate> anyone done a debian -> ubuntu cross dist-update? i don't have a working ubuntu machine (only debian), and i need to make a custom installer.
[09:09] <\sh> let's try to setup a mirror tomorrow somehow in our DC to serve at least our cable customers
[09:10] <\sh> and ask henning to upgrade mvo's mta config
[09:11] <ogra> \sh, giggle ... giving him 5Mbit for free ?
[09:11] <\sh> ogra: that's the plan...but we have as well some 10mbit configs handy...and we need some testers ;)
[09:12] <HiddenWolf_> Kamion, mdz sabdfl, sorry. :$
[09:14] <bddebian> HiddenWolf_: ??
[09:14] <ivoks> so..
[09:14] <ivoks> we have nasty bug
[09:14] <ivoks> internet is to narrow for ubuntu :)
[09:14] <bddebian> ivoks: hehe
[09:14] <HiddenWolf_> bddebian, I sent an email to a reporter for tectonic.co.za, and he published it, fairly unedited. :P
[09:14] <bddebian> HiddenWolf_: A "good" one I hope :-)
[09:15] <trulux> Nafallo: done!
[09:15] <\sh> HiddenWolf_: link? ,-)
[09:15] <HiddenWolf_> Yes, but I'm suddenly a "contributer ... wealth of information and help .. " etc
[09:15] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, http://www.tectonic.co.za/
[09:16] <HiddenWolf_> 3rd article
[09:16] <HiddenWolf_> 3 articles on ubuntu/edubuntu/breezy there
[09:16] <mdz> HiddenWolf_: I don't see anything wrong with the information you provided
[09:16] <\sh> HiddenWolf_: tell them Breezy is named Ubuntu 5.10 and not 10.5
[09:16] <HiddenWolf_> mdz, wasn't supposed to go online in raw version. I sent the guy a mail with what I thought why ubuntu rocked so he could write a good review. He made an article out of it
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, I did, twice. :P
[09:17] <ivoks> mdz: happy bday (sorry, i'm late)
[09:17] <mdz> ivoks: thanks ;-)
[09:17] <jbailey> It just makes us cooler than RH9 =)
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, Hi Jason,
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> We talked earlier, and I promised to send you an email about the
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> upcoming Ubuntu 5.10 release.
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> Just to be marginally smarter than the average review, the development
[09:17] <HiddenWolf_> nicknames are just that, and the name is 5.10 from release onward.
[09:18] <HiddenWolf_> \sh, still he gets it wrong
[09:18] <ogra> Kamion, somehow the preview image is still in the download dirs...
[09:18] <trulux> Nafallo: got time to work together with me on some pakages?
[09:20] <\sh> wow...
[09:20] <\sh> http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=645
[09:20] <\sh> "Although I'm not a big Wine user (there's very little in Windows that I use for which there isn't an equivalent open source app), other users have been impressed with the Wine support, which loads Windows apps much more reliably and without the usual large amounts of tweaking. You now can double-click on a Windows .exe file in the file manager and it just loads. "
[09:21] <\sh> i didn't even know, that wine was working ,-) I tried to test, but my tax software never worked
[09:26] <ivoks> ah, it's wonderfull to be a part of ubuntu team
[09:26] <crimsun> :-)
[09:26] <trulux> Nafallo: http://www.debian-hardened.org/doku.php/ubuntu_hardened_todo
[09:28] <trulux> is pitti around?
[09:32] <\sh> elmo: don't worry about the syncs...I knew it was late :) but thx anyways for your great help :)
[09:39] <kikidonk> congrats for breezy !
[09:41] <andred> Hmm, is it just me, or does Firefox in Breezy not remember it's window position between launches?
[09:42] <hamilton> why doesn't http://releases.ubuntu.com/breezy/ have links to the dvd torrents?
[09:43] <ompaul> andred, I to not think it is just you
[09:44] <andred> ompaul, Ok, good. I believe this behaviour started with Breezy, because in Hoary I'm pretty sure the position was remembered.
[09:47] <ompaul>  same in xfce as gnome
[09:49] <Kamion> ogra: it's not there on the master, so that means that the mirror is not completely synced yet
[09:49] <Kamion> hamilton: yes, I know - I'll fix that at some point, I've just been run off my feet today and haven't had time yet
[09:49] <Kamion> will sort it out tomorrow morning
[09:50] <ogra> Kamion, http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ isnt the master ?
[09:50] <maswan> ogra: want me to re-run the edubuntu part with --delete and hope it won't get anything else?
[09:50] <maswan> ogra: no, that's just a mirror
[09:50] <ogra> yup, that'd be nice
[09:50] <maswan> ogra: the primary mirror[s] , but still mirrors
[09:50] <ogra> i dont want to send the announcement with the preview in there :)
[09:51] <maswan> ogra: ok, gone.
[09:51] <Kamion> ogra: little is the master
[09:51] <ogra> ah, yes
[09:51] <Kinnison> Kamion: oh, you're still around
[09:51] <Kamion> about to leave, but yeah
[09:51] <maswan> oo, .ubuntu-server-5.10-install-amd64.iso is up to 400 megs soon. soon the first iso there will be over here
[09:52] <\sh> ogra: amd64 dvd iso ETA 11h
[09:52] <ogra> \sh, thanks a lot :)
[09:52] <\sh> jumping between 30 and 60k
[09:52] <ogra> \sh, does that fit in your travelling plans ?
[09:52] <\sh> same applies for i386 dvd...
[09:53] <ogra> no need for i386 ... i got it here
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: hehe...sure :) I'll have to work tomorrow morning at least till 15 or 16h
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: but I need it :)
[09:53] <ogra> heh, k
[09:53] <\sh> ogra: or, anyways...I need to trash 47h extra hours
[09:54] <\sh> ogra: so it can be that I'm even earlier at your place...
[09:55] <ogra> fine with me
[09:55] <\sh> and I have to talk to amu...to have something like "we don't include your ip in the monthly traffic calculation for provider servereyes.de"
[09:56] <\sh> so i can set up some torrent trackers ;)
[09:56] <\sh> or even provide all the isos via http/ftp
[09:58] <ogra> :)
[09:58] <\sh> ogra: and include this to your release announcement ;) http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[09:59] <mdz> Kamion: -server i386 successful, amd64 in stage 2, powerpc trying desperately to get a Packages file from us.archive
[10:01] <Kamion> mdz: ok, I'll go out now and if it's all working when I get back I'll do a release
[10:01] <Kamion> thanks for testing those
[10:01] <mdz> Kamion: sounds good, enjoy the evening
[10:01] <\sh> Kamion: have fun and relax :)
[10:02] <bddebian> Yeah Kamion, great work :-)
[10:04] <nomed> i would just say you all great work :)
[10:04] <nomed> cu
[10:08] <seb128> moyogo: around?
[10:09] <moyogo> seb128: yes
[10:09] <seb128> moyogo: I'm sorry but I'm not competent about fonts and I don't know what to do about https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17248
[10:09] <seb128> I'm not even sure to understand the issue
[10:10] <seb128> do you have some screenshoot of what's wrong and we can do to make it better?
[10:10] <seb128> better you could do a spec on the wiki for that so it can be discussed at the next conf ... ?
[10:10] <moyogo> seb128: yes, I realized it wasn't very clear
[10:11] <moyogo> seb128: but the issue is mainly that pango has no support at all for GPOS and GSUB for latin/greek/cyrillic
[10:12] <moyogo> seb128: the last patch (gzipped btw) simply allows pango to use them sometimes
[10:12] <moyogo> seb128: it works with some fonts and not with others
[10:12] <seb128> that's the same issue than the GNOME bug you pointed right?
[10:12] <seb128> according to the comments there is some bug on it upstream
[10:13] <mdz> ogra: congratulations and well done
[10:13] <seb128> we could just wait for pango to fix that?
[10:13] <moyogo> seb128: yes... there's a patch upstream too
[10:13] <seb128> mdz: Hi, happy birthday :)
[10:13] <dieman> heh
[10:14] <dieman> nearly *all* the downloads are i386 live and install right now
[10:14] <moyogo> seb128: the patch works right now, i just need to clean up the g_print calls, pango might just wait for the patch to be complete
[10:14] <seb128> moyogo: let's wait for upstream to fix it so :p
[10:14] <dieman> a ppc in there too
[10:14] <mdz> seb128: thanks :-)
[10:14] <Nafallo> dieman: no amd64? :-)
[10:14] <moyogo> seb128: i'll try to push it upstream, but they might want the whole issue to be fixed, when the patch already fixes some of it
[10:15] <dieman> Nafallo: yeah, some of that too
[10:15] <dieman> Nafallo: most of it i386 though, just a smattering of ppc and amd64
[10:15] <moyogo> seb128: with the patch I'm able to get diacritics at the right place on uppercase letters when the OpenType font defines it
[10:15] <dieman> i wish we would get java and flash for amd64 soon here
[10:15] <dieman> sun not doing 64 bit plugins for flash is isnane
[10:15] <Nafallo> sun?
[10:15] <moyogo> mdz: happy bday
[10:16] <dieman> s/flash/java/
[10:16] <Nafallo> dieman: well, we do have j2re1.4 in multiverse :-P
[10:16] <seb128> moyogo: they do that because usually when people have a 90% working patch applied they don't keep working to clean the 10 uneeded % :p
[10:16] <Nafallo> mdz: happy birthday btw! :-D
[10:17] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:17] <seb128> hi ajmitch
[10:17] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[10:18] <moyogo> seb128: the 90% would be usefull for some languages and with half of the good OpenType fonts, the 10% remain persant I am commited to, since it is necessary for the other half of the very few fonts and IPA stuff
[10:18] <moyogo> percent*
[10:19] <moyogo> seb128: but behdad is on it too, so there's more hope
[10:19] <moyogo> seb128: besides the bug is getting old, it's about time we fix it
[10:19] <seb128> cool, you guys seem to be working on it, it'll probably be fixed before 6.04 so :)
[10:20] <moyogo> definitely
[10:20] <moyogo> you should look into graphite too, some languages will require it
[10:20] <something_else> whats changed with hal in breezy?
[10:21] <moyogo> i't be nice to have some silgraphite working for 6.04
[10:21] <something_else> the real question is do some devices have to be registered with hal if not specified by breezy?
[10:26] <diamond> lo folks
[10:27] <bddebian> Hello diamond
[10:28] <ajmitch> hi
[10:28] <diamond> i have an issue with my laptop here, it keeps going to into suspend. when i bring it back, it suspends again about a minute later
[10:29] <diamond> i'm only uptodate with the rc release, didn't want to touch things if debugging is required
[10:29] <diamond> is this a known issue? (bugzilla hasn't shown up anything for me yet)
[10:30] <something_else> this must be a bug - gnome-volume-manager in breezy thinks an external usb hard disk is not removable :|
[10:30] <something_else> which is true to some extent ...
[10:32] <mdke> something_else, best to check bugzilla for gnome or Ubuntu
[10:33] <something_else> ok
[10:37] <something_else> im no good at searching bugs
[11:15] <\sh> good night gentlemen...and thanks for this wonderful release...
[11:15] <Nafallo> night \sh :-)
[11:24] <mdz> moyogo,Nafally: thank you
[11:25] <bddebian> Oh, Happy B-Day and Release mdz :-)
[11:25] <mdz> bddebian: happy bday from bddebian ;-)
[11:26] <ajmitch> hello mdz, happy birthday :)
[11:26] <bddebian> Did I say that already?
[11:28] <Nafallo> hihi
[11:29] <trulux> good night fellows
[11:30] <bddebian> Gnight trulux
[11:30] <ajmitch> night trulux
[11:30] <trulux> Nafallo: I hope to find pitti available tomorrow, I'll try to bring a working tarball of the new vsec stuff
[11:30] <trulux> ajmitch: 'nite!
[11:31] <Nafallo> trulux: I'm happy to build it on amd64 :-)
[11:31] <dieman> babahaha, the EU is saying they might break the internet next month.
[11:31] <Nafallo> where IS that info from? :-)
[11:32] <mdz> ajmitch: thanks
[11:32] <dieman> via slashdot, the guardian
[11:32] <mdz> Kamion: ubuntu-server isos are gold
[11:32] <dieman> "EU says internet could fall apart"
[11:32] <dieman> its all about dns anyhow
[11:36] <Nafallo> ah
[11:38] <dooglus> hi.  is it a bug that "shadow"'s configure.in tries to make debian/Makefile when no debian/Makefile.in exists?
[11:39] <dooglus> when I configure, I see "config.status: error: cannot find input file: debian/Makefile.in"
[11:40] <ogra> night all
[11:40] <bddebian> Gnight ogra, Congrats and Good Work! :-)
[11:40] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:41] <dooglus> I'm wondering whether to report it or not.
[11:42] <Riddell> are the DVDs released?
[11:43] <bddebian> Not last I knew
[11:43] <bddebian> But I don't know shit ;-)
[11:43] <Riddell> ok, that explains why I can't see them then
[11:44] <dooglus> there's going to be a DVD?  like "ubuntu the movie"?
[11:44] <Nafallo> dooglus: yepp :-)
[11:45] <Nafallo> dooglus: no, but live and install in one place ;-)
[11:48] <bddebian> dooglus: :-)
[11:49] <azeem> congrats for the release
[11:52] <dooglus> are all bugs going to launchpad now, rather than bugzilla?