[02:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: released, https://launchpad.net/xfpanel-switch/1.0/1.0.0
[02:35] <bluesabre> you can do the honors of announcing it if you'd like :)
[02:35]  * bluesabre doesn't look forward to the bug/hate/love mail :D
[03:17] <pleia2> ooh, unixstickers now offers a xubuntu button that I think knome would approve of :) http://www.unixstickers.com/linux-pins-buttons/linux-distributions-pins-buttons/xubuntu-linux-logo-pin-button
[03:17] <pleia2> (no icky white edges like the custom ones I ordered a while back)
[03:17] <pleia2> the xubuntu kit these days pretty nice too http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/linux_os_distribution_stickers/xubuntu-kit-stickers-and-pins
[04:14] <Noskcaj> sgt-puzzles-launcher is now functional with iconview
[06:33] <sorinb> congrats bluesabre ! :)
[06:40] <sorinb> this will be useful
[10:07] <knome> pleia2, heh!
[17:03] <knome> sorinb, connection problems?
[18:08] <flocculant> dkessel: re blueprint " current situation with automated package testing" - is that where it has been for the last 3 or so cycles?
[18:09] <flocculant> eg not really doable much at all?
[18:16] <flocculant> knome: I thought the show/hide whiteboard had disappeared - found it - and Edit spec \o/
[18:19] <dkessel> flocculant: well it is getting better. More apps are geting ported to gtk3 now
[18:20] <dkessel> So in theory it might be easier to do it now. But I haven't spent enough time on it yet and probably won't be able to for a while
[18:20] <dkessel> mousepad should be testable in autopilot, now that it has been ported to gtk3
[18:21] <flocculant> yep
[18:21] <dkessel> I only checked that it supports introspection now, though. Nothing else
[18:21] <flocculant> basically - I just want to lost stuff from the blueprint if we're not going to actually get there
[18:21] <flocculant> this cycle
[18:22] <dkessel> Well I guess then byebye item ;)
[18:22] <flocculant> and reading what I have read - this is mostly about when we get gtk3 - but MOSTLY about time and people to look :D
[18:22] <flocculant> dkessel: you got time for a quick PM?
[18:23] <dkessel> yes
[21:35] <knome> somebody from the team around?
[21:41] <Noskcaj> knome, do i count?
[21:41] <knome> Noskcaj, yes
[21:41] <knome> does http://xstatus.knome.fi/#tab-details/noskcaj+teams look like it picked up the right team memberships for you?
[21:42] <knome> for comparison, without +teams: http://xstatus.knome.fi/#tab-details/noskcaj
[21:42] <Noskcaj> looks right
[21:42] <knome> ok, thanks
[22:10] <ochosi> knome: same for me, looks good
[22:11] <knome> good good
[22:11] <knome> that was one part of the stuff that needed to be done for the email notifications ;)
[22:12] <knome> now the cronned mail looks good
[22:13] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Is there a particular icon i should use for the puzzles launcher?
[22:13] <Noskcaj> I'll put a working beta in the staging ppa later today
[22:44] <ochosi> knome: awesome sauce
[22:44] <ochosi> Noskcaj: personally i'd add a new/separate icon for it
[22:45] <ochosi> you can use some generic icon meanwhile, but i'm not sure what to suggest, there are no good games standards (apart from the gaming category icon, but that's already used for the category)
[22:46] <knome> i'd probably go for a square split to four, then a recognisable symbol (from some of the games in the pack) in each tile
[22:47] <knome> and some matching/related bg colors for the tiles
[22:47] <knome> one of them could be a tent (from tents) on a green bg
[22:48] <ochosi> +1
[22:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice! you mean i should blog or do you want an email to xfce4-devel ml?


[07:10] <ubotu> In ubotu, charlie said: what is up
[08:04] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:02] <miguelgf> 235698
[10:02] <ubotu> hwilde called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:04] <PriceChild> Its been quiet
[10:04] <Tm_T> it's always is before storm, you know
[10:06] <Daviey> PriceChild: we were having a sponsered silence; cheers for spoiling it!
[10:06] <Daviey> boo PriceChild
[10:07] <Tm_T> wheeee
[10:07] <PriceChild> Tm_T, what were you saying? ;)
[10:07] <Tm_T> I was saying that it's interesting to see how it will be here this weekend
[10:08] <nalioth> you guys are way too banhappy
[10:08] <Mez> polopolo mgot banned for calling the ops mistakenly?
[10:08] <Mez> surely shoulda been a warning ?
[10:08] <nalioth> i unbanned
[10:08] <Tm_T> err
[10:08] <Tm_T> well that's nice
[10:09] <Mez> he called the ops cause someone called him a troll for sending a factoid
[10:09] <Mez> I'm only going from what I saw
[10:11] <Tm_T> hello polopolo
[10:11] <polopolo> i'm not more banned :D, nice place here
[10:11] <Tm_T> yup, nice carpets we have
[10:12] <Tm_T> and these seats, lovely leather
[10:12] <nalioth> polopolo: please do not abuse !ops
[10:12] <Mez> and I like the fog machine best
[10:12] <polopolo> ok
[10:12] <Tm_T> Mez: it's mc44
[10:12] <Daviey> jukebox is naff tho :(
[10:12] <Tm_T> Mez: he has some problems with yesterday's meal
[10:12] <jrib> we need to upgrade to the mc45
[10:13] <Mez> Tm_T, I wasnt here for that
[10:13] <polopolo> I may not talk here?
[10:13] <Tm_T> you may
[10:13] <Tm_T> and you're well heard
[10:14] <nalioth> polopolo: this is not a social channel, #ubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-offtopic among others _are_
[10:17] <PriceChild> polopolo, please don't get too factoid happy...


[11:56]  * gmb -> lunching after  wasted morning
[12:11] <danilos> gmb, that's the spirit, start drinking Monday morning!
[12:52] <gmb> :)
[13:25] <danilos> bac, benji, gmb: I suppose we could rotate at taking the lead in the calls to keep it quicker, so I'll start today :)
[13:26] <danilos> bac, benji, gmb: with that in mind, skype in 4 mins
[13:26] <gmb> Works for me.
[13:26] <bac> danilos: ack
[13:26] <gmb> I'll take tomorrow since it's my OCR day.
[13:26] <danilos> bac, hum, I don't have you in my contacts, what's your skype ID?
[13:27] <gmb> Trying to remember to be responsive to others works better if I do it all on the same day.
[13:27] <bac> danilos: brad.crittenden
[13:28] <danilos> bac, cool, thanks
[13:36] <bac> benji: gary didn't check in his fix for the argparse dependency.  do you know what needs to be done?  i just added a line to buildout.cfg but buildout silently ignored me
[13:37] <benji> bac: you need to add it to install_requires (sp?) in setup.py and a version number in buildout.cfg; after that running bin/buildout should download and install it
[13:38] <bac> benji: ok, i missed the setup.py part
[13:38] <bac> benji: why are there so many things in buildout.cfg that aren't in install_requires?
[13:39] <benji> bac: they're dependencies of the dependencies
[13:39] <bac> ah
[13:44] <bac> benji: i did http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/625842/ and ran bin/buildout.  it did nothing.  ?
[13:44]  * benji looks
[13:45] <benji> bac: it might be because it's already installed
[13:45] <bac> nah
[13:45] <benji> you may want to build a clean, non-system python and use that with this project, that way no non-buildout-specified packages will gum things up
[13:46] <bac> maybe i'll try a different version and see if that forces an install by buildout
[13:47] <bac> hey, that worked
[13:48] <benji> I suspect the other version was the one already installed.
[14:25] <danilos> bac, btw, you have claimed (I suppose on Friday) https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772754-other-subscribers-activity/+merge/64180, should we reassign it to launchpad-reviewers again?
[14:26] <bac> danilos: yes.
[14:26] <danilos> bac, cool, done, thanks
[14:27] <bac> danilos: how'd you do that?
[14:27] <danilos> bac, I clicked on the nice little edit icon next to your name and... you can guess from there :)
[14:28] <bac> cool.  didn't remember you could do that
[15:28] <danilos> heh, did somebody do the colourful (alternating colours) rearrangement of the cards in the "Landing" lane?
[15:30] <danilos> maybe it's just leankitkanban going crazy, I was trying to group related cards together
[15:56]  * danilos out, tty all tomorrow


[13:31]  * cpaelzer is glad no one else was here either
[13:31] <cpaelzer> no recent MIR issues to share from me this week
[13:35] <didrocks> yeah, seems like it's quite quiet anyway
[18:44] <bittin> Do the Ubuntu Desktop Team, still has irc meetings at this time?
[18:50] <sarnold> bittin: I think it was five hours ago in #ubuntu-desktop http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/
[18:54] <bittin> sarnold: yep http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-07-30-13.34.moin.txt


[00:45] <ali1234> i have a problem with dynamic quicklists...
[00:46] <ali1234> basically i want to add a lot of items, but the number of items might change
[00:46] <ali1234> i tried to do it by building a whole new Dbusmenu.Menuitem
[00:46] <ali1234> but when i send it over, it doesn't reaplce the old one
[00:47] <ali1234> is that how it's supposed to work? if so, can i somehow delete all the existing items in it and start again?
[00:51] <ali1234> for item in ql.get_children(): ql.child_delete(item)
[00:51] <ali1234> this seemed like a likely way to do it, but it segfaults
[01:25] <ali1234> hmm in fact ql.get_children() segfaults even if you justtry to print the result
[01:29] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/81zEtNxN
[01:32] <ali1234> not sure what to report this against
[02:24] <coz_>  hey all
[17:48] <MaximLevitsky> Will unity support applets?
[17:52] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  I believe they are  "indicators"  now
[17:52] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  in classic gnome 11.04  they work
[17:52] <MaximLevitsky> sure
[17:53] <MaximLevitsky> but classic gnome is going to disappear right?
[17:53] <kklimonda> applets are not indicators, and it's unlikely that unity will support applets
[17:53] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  at some point,, gnome2 will diddappear
[17:53] <coz_> kklimonda,   wasnt sure of the correct terminology for them
[17:53] <coz_> on Unity
[17:53] <MaximLevitsky> then how can I see temperature status?
[17:54] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  here are a few tweaks for Unity   I believe weather is one of them
[17:54] <coz_> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[17:54] <kklimonda> someone will have to write an indicator for it (if there isn't one already)
[17:55] <coz_> ah appindicators is what I was looking for
[17:56] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  there is a weather indicator that should work
[17:56] <coz_> sudo apt-get install indicator-weather
[17:56] <MaximLevitsky> I said about CPU temperature
[17:57] <MaximLevitsky> and GPU
[17:57] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,     ah I was thinking  "temperature"   =  weather
[17:58] <kklimonda> I've had a nifty idea how to  put cpu/gpu temperature in the launcher, but API isn't here (and won't be)
[17:58] <kklimonda> MaximLevitsky: there is at least one project that provides an appindicator for cpu/gpu temperature
[17:59] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  if you read the posts below on that link ,, the fellow  found an indicator that works and will post it to Webupd8  ppa
[17:59] <MaximLevitsky> ok, that issue is solved, although usability wise, unity _needs_ add applet menu
[18:00] <MaximLevitsky> also I want to make the sidebar really small
[18:00] <MaximLevitsky> ccsm only allows 32x32 icons
[18:01] <MaximLevitsky> it still not enough to put much launchers there
[18:01] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  you are setting launcher size via ccsm/
[18:01] <MaximLevitsky> yes, but it maximum 32x32, still large
[18:01] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  you probably could edit the xml  file for that
[18:02] <coz_> let me see if I can find it
[18:04] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  looks like it can be set to a smaller size in the unitshell.xml   with ghex   find   32  that can probably be set much smaller from there
[18:05] <coz_> /usr/share/compiz
[18:05] <MaximLevitsky> here is my desktop (I use gnome2 now,just can't use unity) :http://imageshack.us/f/864/screenshotju.png/
[18:06] <MaximLevitsky> I want to have the same information on the screen without loosing or gaining screen space
[18:06] <MaximLevitsky> I want to have 'Places' menu on the panel
[18:06] <kklimonda> you can't
[18:06] <MaximLevitsky> why?
[18:06] <MaximLevitsky> unity is supposed to be more usable
[18:07] <MaximLevitsky> I want to convince myself that it is
[18:07] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  something like this...yes?   http://lifehacker.com/5794701/add-places-menu-functionality-to-ubuntus-unity-launcher
[18:07] <kklimonda> usability does not equal flexibility
[18:07] <coz_> ??
[18:09] <kklimonda> you won't be able to recreate every gnome2 experience in unity or gnome3 - it's not the goal of either of them.
[18:09] <MaximLevitsky> no, I don't want to recreate them
[18:09] <MaximLevitsky> I want to do same tasks with at least same amount of effor
[18:09] <MaximLevitsky> or less if unity is more usable
[18:10] <MaximLevitsky> for example I do like the slim scroll bars
[18:10] <MaximLevitsky> they take less space but provide same performance
[18:10] <coz_> yeah those are the most  unique idea in Unity,, my opinion
[18:10] <coz_> certainly the most creative one
[18:10] <kklimonda> you want to get the same (or comparable) experience to your heavily tweaked (at least the part I've seen, slow and unreliable connection) gnome 2 session.
[18:10] <MaximLevitsky> the only, more correctly
[18:11] <coz_> :)
[18:11] <MaximLevitsky> nope, my desktop isn't tweaked at all
[18:11] <MaximLevitsky> all I have is;
[18:11] <MaximLevitsky> a set of launchers
[18:11] <MaximLevitsky> cpu & temperature monitor
[18:12] <MaximLevitsky> and thats all
[18:12] <MaximLevitsky> the rest is standard
[18:12] <kklimonda> yes, and that's a eavy tweaking according to gnome and unity devs
[18:12] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  here is my Unity desktop   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot.png
[18:12] <kklimonda> you should see the recent discussion about control panel in gnome3
[18:13] <MaximLevitsky> kklimonda: in that case, unity devs needs their heads examined. sorry but that is the truth
[18:13] <kklimonda> (there is an appindicator for cpu temperature, but I don't know how well it works)
[18:13] <coz_> most I read about it withouth testing , seems to indicate it is not working
[18:14] <kklimonda> well, both gnome3 and unity clearly target some audience, and unfortunately old linux folks are not it.
[18:14] <coz_> I am going to give Unity some time to improve
[18:14] <kklimonda> unity folks did at least two rounds of usability testing
[18:14] <MaximLevitsky> kklimonda: nope they target an intersection between two foregein groups
[18:14] <kklimonda> so it's getting "there"
[18:15] <kklimonda> the problem is it's not there yet, and it shouldn't really be released as a stable product. but then in my opinion we should rename normal "stable" releases as technology previews.
[18:15] <coz_>  I wonder what will happen to gnome  when the netbook / tablet interface trend fades?
[18:16] <MaximLevitsky> the point it that due to shear amount of bugs, only 'pros' can use linux regardless of position of buttons on their desktops
[18:16] <kklimonda> I'm not convinced that tablets will "fade" ever.
[18:16] <MaximLevitsky> I fixed ton of bugs, and even some in the kernel
[18:16] <MaximLevitsky> and there another ton that I don't have patience to fix
[18:16] <coz_> kklimonda,  well they did go through that phase long ago... i had  several windows 95  tablets  they didnt last long at all
[18:17] <coz_> its an old idea
[18:17] <kklimonda> but they were different, new tablets are focused on consuming culture and that's it.
[18:17] <coz_> mmm
[18:17] <coz_> ok
[18:17] <coz_> sort of makes sense
[18:17] <kklimonda> MS was trying to sell tablets to business, and it did fail miserably
[18:17] <coz_> kklimonda,  for sure
[18:17] <kklimonda> but new tablets are aimed at consmers who only want to watch movies, and listen to their music
[18:18] <coz_> well there is also th e grphics community who use pen tablets for  on the move sketching
[18:18] <kklimonda> the problem I see with that is we are focusing on the group of users who won't give a damn about foss other than it being free as in beer.
[18:19] <MaximLevitsky> and, this group won't be able to use linux
[18:19] <kklimonda> there is that too
[18:19] <coz_>  i dont know.. i lie inovation,, I just dont see it here other thatn the overlay scrollbar thing
[18:19] <MaximLevitsky> because; nouveau is broken, wifi is broken, skype is broken, suspend is broken, gnome power manager is broken....
[18:19] <coz_> like  not lie
[18:19] <MaximLevitsky> thats is the usability
[18:20] <coz_> MaximLevitsky, :)  is that all ?  I was sure more was broken :)
[18:20] <MaximLevitsky> bugs are the the reason of bad linux usablity
[18:20] <MaximLevitsky> coz_: sure but I couldn't write more
[18:20] <coz_> :)
[18:20] <MaximLevitsky> that what I had on my desktop. and more
[18:20] <coz_> well at least the cube can now be had on Unity ,, that made a diffrence for me
[18:21] <MaximLevitsky> my wifi card would oops when I first installed ubuntu
[18:21] <MaximLevitsky> sure I knew where to report that
[18:21] <MaximLevitsky> but that noob will just install windows
[18:21] <coz_> this is true
[18:22] <MaximLevitsky> to target noobs there is _no_ need in unity. there is need in less bugs
[18:22] <MaximLevitsky> boy how many bugs linux has, it can't be counted
[18:22] <coz_> my clients I have switched to ubuntu,,, already dont like unity,, and if I was not around they would have reinstalled windows
[18:22] <kklimonda> I'm fairly sure that Canonical is not aiming at desktops anymore
[18:22] <MaximLevitsky> even evince often doesn't display PDFs for my homeworks
[18:22] <kklimonda> so no installing Windows for those poor folks for whom Ubuntu doesn't work ;)
[18:22] <coz_> that's a mistake
[18:23] <MaximLevitsky> I report the bugs, but that doesn't help at all
[18:23] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,   they are not being  considered>?
[18:25] <kklimonda> even if they are fixed, it doesn't help random folks who don't know how to apply the fix.
[18:25] <MaximLevitsky> and this is how I am treated when I fix a bug:
[18:25] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/616443
[18:26] <kklimonda> (not to mention that fixing bugs is booring and most foss developers have short atten.. oh, SHINEY!)
[18:26] <MaximLevitsky> btw that bug affect anyone
[18:27] <MaximLevitsky> you just need to boot without battery and insert it
[18:27] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  not here I dont use  batter appindicator
[18:27] <coz_> battery
[18:27] <MaximLevitsky> its worse
[18:28] <MaximLevitsky> if you then remove the battery g-p-m will still think you have it
[18:28] <kklimonda> well, to be honest the bug doesn't really sound like something critical to fix (at least from description)
[18:28] <MaximLevitsky> but I fixed it
[18:28] <kklimonda> g-p-m or the indicator?
[18:28] <MaximLevitsky> its in g-p-m
[18:28] <MaximLevitsky> its not an indicator bug
[18:28] <kklimonda> well, if you fixed it then you should really forward the patch to gnome bugzilla
[18:29] <kklimonda> and after months of it just lying there someone will comment on it (or faster, if you knw who to poke ;))
[18:29] <MaximLevitsky> sure
[18:29] <MaximLevitsky> I know how to push a fix for a bug
[18:30] <MaximLevitsky> its just bad that one has to put pretty much same or even more effor for pushing it that fixing it
[18:31] <MaximLevitsky> patches should be welcome and ubuntu should try to reward as much as possible the submitters. thats one of the way to make sure there are less bugs
[18:31] <MaximLevitsky> at least monitor and accept the patches
[18:31] <kklimonda> that's a nice theory, and we try to do what we can, but there are simply much more patches than ubuntu developers who can review them.
[18:32] <MaximLevitsky> nope
[18:32] <MaximLevitsky> my bugreport was reviewed
[18:32] <MaximLevitsky> and closed as duplicate, without forwarding it to other bug at least
[18:32] <MaximLevitsky> thats just an isult
[18:32] <MaximLevitsky> insult
[18:33] <MaximLevitsky> mind you I wrote 3 kernel drivers, and fixed suspend to ram to series of acer notebooks
[18:33] <MaximLevitsky> on series
[18:34] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/160763
[18:35] <kklimonda> not by a developer, but by some random person. Also, this is obviously an upstream issue, and should be fixed there (and pach tagged properly, so it's obvious that it's fixed upstream).
[18:36] <kklimonda> (when it has been marked as a duplicate of another bug it disappeared from the sponsoring list, so no one really reviewed it)
[18:38] <MaximLevitsky> look I reported a lot of g-p-m issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu/+bug/619816
[18:38] <MaximLevitsky> Mark Shuttleworth even replied to me. Yet whole version passed. no issues fixed
[18:38] <MaximLevitsky> thats is usability
[18:39] <MaximLevitsky> and ubuntu has none of it
[18:39] <MaximLevitsky> really after about 6 years of linux I seriosly consider switching to windows
[18:40] <MaximLevitsky> I tried KDE but I can't seem get used to it again
[18:40] <MaximLevitsky> And for me Unity is the tripping point
[18:41] <MaximLevitsky> If gnome2 UI disappers and unity is still what it is, I couldn't stand it anymore
[18:42] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  there is always kde :(
[18:42] <kklimonda> it's not like you really have much of a choice.
[18:42] <kklimonda> it's either gnome3 or unity
[18:42] <kklimonda> both have their issues currently.
[18:42] <coz_> whic is   sor "foreign"  an expression for linux
[18:42] <MaximLevitsky> coz_: KDE is somewhat slow, and I can't get used to it
[18:42] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  dont blame you
[18:43] <MaximLevitsky> and I still have to run many gnome apps in kde
[18:43] <MaximLevitsky> that increases memory usage
[18:43] <MaximLevitsky> I am *not* against mixing apps like I said, that just increases memory usage
[18:43] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  I use a few kde apps in gnome,, I like it ,, I havent seen much in terms of memory useage,,, the other way around maybe
[18:43] <MaximLevitsky> coz_: I mean when I use KDE
[18:44] <MaximLevitsky> I also use many gnome apps
[18:44] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  yeah  I believe that
[18:44] <MaximLevitsky> for example pidgin
[18:44] <kklimonda> I acrually am "against" mixing toolkits.
[18:44] <coz_> I was actually hooked on edubuntu for while
[18:44] <MaximLevitsky> kopete was my IRC client, but it doesn't support now it
[18:45] <MaximLevitsky> in fact none of KDE or Gnome IRC clients look nice for me. Its a taste matter probably
[18:45] <MaximLevitsky> also firefox is more or less GTK
[18:46] <MaximLevitsky> could switch to google chrome through
[18:46] <MaximLevitsky> also evolution is the fastest and the sucks the less for imap gmail access
[18:47] <MaximLevitsky> I used kmail, thunderbird, evolution, and even outlook express
[18:47] <MaximLevitsky> all suck
[18:47] <MaximLevitsky> but evolution the less
[18:47] <ali1234> meeeeeh
[18:47] <ali1234> i wouldn't agree that evolution is the best
[18:48] <kklimonda> evolution has stopped working for me recently :/
[18:48] <ali1234> but the difference is so small, none of them are usable in my opinion
[18:48] <coz_> :) what's interesting , is,, in most ubuntu related channels ,, not only is Unity overwhelmingly disliked,, but it brings up a "mood"  venting about other things that suck,, most likely because "choice" has been further dimininshed in linux
[18:48] <ali1234> i only use the web interface
[18:48] <kklimonda> coz_: linux has never been about this kind of choice.
[18:48] <MaximLevitsky> coz_: exactly
[18:48] <MaximLevitsky> uninty makes linux suck even more
[18:48] <ali1234> i've been using unity for about a month now and i am starting to come around to it
[18:48] <ali1234> but it sure is buggy
[18:48] <kklimonda> coz_: you can choose a different WM
[18:49] <ali1234> natty is the most buggy release i can remember and i've been here since 6.06
[18:49] <coz_> kklimonda,  well  that I disagree with,, withouth the ability to have contorl over the WM  ,, the interface ,, themeing ,, especially for accessibility features ,, then the  OS will fail
[18:49] <MaximLevitsky> I am somewhat a fan of linux, thats why I use it despite all that
[18:49] <kklimonda> no, Mac OS X has even less customization options by default and it's not failing
[18:50] <MaximLevitsky> but that noob you target will never use it, and will warn anybody that tries too
[18:50] <MaximLevitsky> kklimonda: MaC OS is the digital penis
[18:50] <coz_> lol
[18:51] <ali1234> someone brought up a point
[18:51] <MaximLevitsky> users buy Macs to show how cool/wealthy they are
[18:51] <kklimonda> MaximLevitsky: that comment wasn't really meaningful.
[18:51] <ali1234> they said "windows users are wannabee mac users who can't afford a mac, and natty will appeal to those people cos it's cheap"
[18:51] <ali1234> but this won't work for the reason above ^
[18:52] <coz_> ali1234,  Unityh is nothing like mac other than the outdated global menuing system
[18:52] <ali1234> and the dock
[18:52] <kklimonda> not really, Linux experience can't be compared to OSX experience, unless it has deteriorated in the last few years.
[18:52] <ali1234> and the lack of customization
[18:52] <nhaines> I gave a talk on Tuesday and I demonstated Ubuntu to a dozen university students.  The reaction to Unity was very, very positive.
[18:52] <MaximLevitsky> besides Macs (I never used it though) aren't buggy.
[18:52] <ali1234> even the way the right click menus look is identical to mac
[18:52] <kklimonda> really, it's not about how your OS looks like - it's all about applications you can use on it.
[18:52] <coz_> nhaines, did they see what it looked like before that as well?
[18:52] <MaximLevitsky> Heck even with very poor UI as long as there is no bugs users will use it
[18:53] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  agreed
[18:53] <MaximLevitsky> Look at all these MP3 players, phones, etc
[18:53] <ali1234> really saying unity is not like mac is kind of... well nobody is fooled, seriously
[18:53] <coz_> Unity is essentially still in beta
[18:53] <nhaines> coz_: I'm pretty sure it was their first time seeing Unity.
[18:53] <coz_> nhaines,  mm  ,, did you at least have the compiz cube running ..yes ? :)
[18:53] <ali1234> unity appeals to people when they first see it because it *looks* nice
[18:53] <nhaines> coz_: no, I never bother with that kind of nonsense.  :)
[18:54] <ali1234> but looking nice and being efficient and not annoying are not the same thing
[18:54] <MaximLevitsky> So Mac is public status, its is more or less bug free, and it is more or less usable. So sure peoples buy it
[18:54] <kklimonda> it looks nice, and it works prett well (compared to gnome3, but it's not far behind gnome2)
[18:54] <nhaines> I demonstrated that the launcher autohides and maximized windows get almost the entire screen and everyone seemed really intrigued.
[18:54] <coz_> mm
[18:54] <nhaines> Because I got the impression they'd try it on older computers, I did demonstrate Ubuntu Classic interface.
[18:55] <coz_> nhaines,   i would have emphasized compiz and the overlay scrollbar,, tow fine decisions made  on Unity
[18:55] <coz_> two
[18:55] <ali1234> compiz is completely invisible choice
[18:55] <MaximLevitsky> these were the good decisions
[18:55] <kklimonda> overlay scrollbar doesn't really work that well on laptops.
[18:55] <nhaines> coz_: I didn't mention compiz at all.  I talked about benefits, not features.
[18:55] <ali1234> you can't demonstrate it because all the good features of compiz are disabled under unity
[18:56] <kklimonda> or actually on any device where you have to use scrollbar to actually scroll..
[18:56] <coz_> kklimonda,   oh  thats a shame ,, I really mean that by the way
[18:56] <MaximLevitsky> that for sure
[18:56] <nhaines> The fanciest I got was the workspace switcher.
[18:56] <coz_> nhaines,   for university crowd .. probably the best approach
[18:56] <ali1234> ah... the workspace switcher
[18:56] <MaximLevitsky> and the mentality of 'eye candy' should be fought with fire
[18:56] <ali1234> so, when i switch to a new workspace, and then click say, firefox
[18:56] <MaximLevitsky> eye candy is what sells the product. period.
[18:56] <ali1234> instead of opening a new firefox window on current workspace i just switched to for this purpose
[18:56] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  well I am kind of predjudiced about eye candy ,, I like it ,,
[18:56] <ali1234> it instead just takes me back to the previous workspace
[18:57] <ali1234> incredibly annoying
[18:57] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: thats for sure
[18:57] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: you can launch a new instance by middle clicking the launcher though
[18:57] <ali1234> i know
[18:57] <coz_> the biggest issue i have with unith is the insistence on using that darn purple pimple icon for the unity plugin
[18:57] <kklimonda> coz_: it has two annoying bugs: invisible buttons are not easy to hit with the mouse, and they don't show up when your mouse is on the right side of the scroll
[18:57] <ali1234> but what if i didn't know that?
[18:57] <MaximLevitsky> but noob will never figure that out!
[18:58] <coz_> unity rather
[18:58] <nhaines> ali1234: that behavior seems logical enough to me.
[18:58] <ali1234> if you think it's logical you are crazy
[18:58] <MaximLevitsky> and launcher is very heavy in unity
[18:58] <coz_> kklimonda,  oh man,, you would think that would have been the first consideration, since most of the devs work on laptops
[18:58] <ali1234> another fun way that this mechanism is broken
[18:58] <nhaines> ali1234: if you have a program running, clicking on the launcher icon focuses the program.  That's not too crazy.
[18:58] <MaximLevitsky> to find any app you have to spend days there
[18:58] <ali1234> is when the only firefox window you have open is the "download manager" window
[18:58] <ali1234> if you don't know about middle click, there is no way to open a new ff window
[18:59] <kklimonda> coz_: I'm pretty sure most devs use external mouse with the wheel
[18:59] <coz_> MaximLevitsky,  that's why i replace the launcher with cairo dock :)
[18:59] <MaximLevitsky> unless you aren't a noob, and type app in the searth, but wait unity is for noobs. that is just illogical
[18:59] <nhaines> I'm not happy that middle-click is such an undiscoverableable feature.  But you'd be surprised how few people actually have multiple instances of things open.
[18:59] <nhaines> ali1234: Firefox menu.
[18:59] <ali1234> nhaines: download manager doesn't have a menu
[18:59] <MaximLevitsky> thats for sure
[18:59] <coz_> kklimonda,  could be ,, most I have come in contact with on projects  are using regular laptops  but ,, what do I know :)
[18:59] <kklimonda> coz_: I guess in this case those new scrollbars really shine as they are small, and unobstructive.
[18:59] <MaximLevitsky> like I said unity targets intersection of 2 foregein users; noobs and power users
[19:00] <ali1234> nhaines: you have to close download manager, wait for firefox to fully exit (or else get that "firefox is alredy running please quit" message) and then click launcher again
[19:00] <coz_> kklimonda,  I really believe that the overlay scrollbar is the most innovative feature on Unity
[19:00] <nhaines> coz_: the only thing I was excited for the overlay scrollbars was the terminal... and that didn't get it, ha.
[19:00] <MaximLevitsky> you have to be noob to like its usablity, you have to be powrr user to make it not suck that much
[19:00] <coz_> nhaines,  for sure ,,  what is that about :)
[19:00] <kklimonda> coz_: that doesn't really say much if the most innovative feature of unity has already been done by Apple a year ago or so ;)
[19:00] <ali1234> overlay scrollbar is the only turnoffable thing i haven't turned off
[19:00] <coz_> kklimonda,  oh the same on apple?
[19:00] <MaximLevitsky> it figures...
[19:01] <coz_> ok then I go back towindows,, i really dislike mac and the trend that ubunt has taken for an outdated looking system ,, my opinion
[19:01] <kklimonda> coz_: I don't know if it's the same, but they did introduce something similar.. or will introduce it with Lion.
[19:01] <nhaines> When the overlay scrollbar was first announced I thought, "This'll be annoying," but then I immediately thought "But I love this feature on Android, so actually maybe it'll be great."
[19:01] <kklimonda> meh, you can just switch to GNOME3
[19:02] <kklimonda> and anyway both unity and gnome-shell are unusable on my laptop anyway - mutter is slooow, and compiz hits some weird issue in nvidia blob tht makes both emacs and gnome-terminal display text really slowly..
[19:02] <MaximLevitsky> we need to set up a riot against removal of gnome2 interface
[19:03] <nhaines> I think GNOME Shell is pretty, but I wasn't impressed with the usability, at least from the live CD.
[19:03] <kklimonda> MaximLevitsky: no, you'd need to gather enough developers to keep it alive, port to gtk+3 and then work on it.
[19:03] <nhaines> kklimonda: +1
[19:03] <MaximLevitsky> kklimonda: that what I more or less mean
[19:03] <kklimonda> usability of gnome-shell is.. weird.
[19:04] <kklimonda> they've written a lot about how are they redesigning virtual desktops, and how easy are they going to be to use
[19:04] <nhaines> We'll see.  I'm really happy with Unity at the moment.
[19:04] <kklimonda> and then it's actually much harder to work with 4 virtal desktops without accessing overlay then it has been in gnome2
[19:04] <nhaines> I think oneiric+1 is going to be great.
[19:04] <MaximLevitsky> so just last question, 11.11 will have gnome 2 ui?
[19:05] <nhaines> MaximLevitsky: not in the default install.
[19:05] <ali1234> workspace switch in unity is unusable for me, i can't keep thing in their own workspace because whenever i click on the launcher i never know which workspace it's going to take me to
[19:05] <ali1234> i pretty much only have firefox and terminal windows open
[19:05] <kklimonda> it's buggy
[19:05] <coz_> kklimonda,  I believe there is still a memory leak   Unity + compiz + nvidia + mesa + libnux   i dont think it has been pinpointed along with the glitches  with those
[19:05] <kklimonda> the idea is sound
[19:05] <ali1234> and i never know which one i'm going to get when i click
[19:05] <MaximLevitsky> nhaines: but if I update, I won't loose it, right?
[19:05] <kklimonda> you don't switch between workspaces, but between applications
[19:05] <ali1234> but i'm only running two applications
[19:06] <kklimonda> then you don't really need virtual desktops anyway
[19:06] <ali1234> i need to switch between windows of the same app in an efficient way
[19:06] <ali1234> unity just can't do it
[19:06] <kklimonda> old good alt-tab should be enough
[19:06] <nhaines> MaximLevitsky: Hard to say.  You probably will, because GNOME3 doesn't offer those features.  But I'd be surprised if you couldn't just choose an option from Ubuntu Software Center and have something similar back.
[19:06] <ali1234> even the expose thing is annoying, cos it always moves the windows around
[19:06] <ali1234> alt tab has always been horrible
[19:07] <nhaines> I sort of miss super-tab, even though I only used it when giving talks.  :)
[19:07] <ali1234> "here's ALL your windows, they're so small you can't tell which is which, deal with it"
[19:07] <kklimonda> MaximLevitsky: I'm pretty sure that there won't be a gnome2 ui anymore in 11.10 as we are updating gnome to gnome3, and it comes with it's own gnome-panel & co
[19:07] <MaximLevitsky> and that panel is sorry for exapression, fucked-up, right?
[19:07] <nhaines> kklimonda: GNOME3 has a pretty familiar "fallback" if GNOME Shell isn't configured, so I'm sure that will be available.
[19:08] <nhaines> MaximLevitsky: Could you be a little more specific?
[19:08] <kklimonda> nhaines: gnome-panel has been redesigned to look closer to how gnome-shell looks like
[19:08] <ali1234> i heard the gnome-panel in gnome3 doesn't support applets, is basically a cut down version of gnome-shell
[19:08] <MaximLevitsky> that what I mean
[19:08] <ali1234> but that could be old information
[19:08] <kklimonda> but afair you can still add random applets to gnome-panel
[19:09] <kklimonda> just not in random positions
[19:09] <nhaines> Everyone's been planning to ditch applets for over a year now.
[19:09] <MaximLevitsky> and why, why?
[19:09] <nhaines> There comes a point where you sort of just have to put the responsibility on the developers.
[19:09] <ali1234> tbh most of those applets are rubbish
[19:09] <MaximLevitsky> these are one of features that linux has and windows doesny
[19:09] <MaximLevitsky> nope, name me one that is rubbish?
[19:09] <ali1234> windows has that applet bar thingy now
[19:10] <MaximLevitsky> even better :-(
[19:10] <ali1234> MaximLevitsky: well for one thing the hw monitoring applet in gnome is rubbish, crashes all the time...
[19:10] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: never did crash here
[19:10] <ali1234> plus there's the "oh your screen resized, we moved all your applets to random positions" thing
[19:10] <nhaines> I think any software that someone wants to run is useful to that person.  But the difference between GNOME applets and the application indicators are night and day for me.  Indicators are far superior.
[19:10] <ali1234> i agree
[19:10] <nhaines> Yeah, GNOME3 fixes that position problem.
[19:10] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: that is gnome-panel bug
[19:11] <kklimonda> nhaines: not really, you can't put text in appindicators
[19:11] <nhaines> kklimonda: they shouldn't have text.  :)
[19:11] <kklimonda> nhaines: unless they should
[19:11] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: and there is elegant solution to that
[19:11] <MaximLevitsky> http://www.sharpenviro.com/wp/
[19:11] <nhaines> kklimonda: don't get me wrong.  Indicators aren't quite as powerful because they're more restricted.  But that restriction is what makes them superior.  They're all standard.
[19:12] <kklimonda> hamster applet is a great example (probably the only good use of applets I've ever seen) of applet that can't be ported to Unity without loss of functionality.
[19:12] <MaximLevitsky> all applets are ether alighed to left or right
[19:12] <nhaines> I think the usability that results is well worth the adjustment period.
[19:12] <MaximLevitsky> works perfect
[19:12] <ali1234> speaking of indicators
[19:12] <nhaines> MaximLevitsky: that's what GNOME3 does except it also has "center" as well.
[19:12] <ali1234> xfce has an indicator applet for it's panel
[19:12] <ali1234> but i'm only allowed one. wtf?
[19:12] <kklimonda> yeah, they have finally fixed alignment issues in gnome-panel, after all these years.
[19:12] <MaximLevitsky> nhaines: but, Gnome3 doesn't have applets I think?
[19:13] <ali1234> MaximLevitsky: it has applets, just not compatible with 2.x applets
[19:13] <kklimonda> gnome-panel (which is a part of gnome-shell fallback) does have applets
[19:13] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: good to know
[19:13] <ali1234> again, that could be old information
[19:13] <kklimonda> dunno if you can add some random applets though
[19:14] <kklimonda> after unity systray whitelist I've started expecting the worst from foss ux engineers
[19:14] <MaximLevitsky> that shartenviron is really cool desktop replacement
[19:14] <MaximLevitsky> everything can be configured
[19:14] <nhaines> Ubuntu's been saying they'd remove applet support in October 2010 since 2009.
[19:14] <ali1234> sounds like KDE?
[19:14] <kklimonda> "everything can be configured" is not really the only good approach
[19:15] <kklimonda> the near-opposite is also valid.
[19:15] <MaximLevitsky> yes it is, you configure it once and forget about it
[19:15] <nhaines> They delayed it six months and made it configurable...  I'm not sure what more what could expect really.
[19:15] <MaximLevitsky> or use defaults if you are a noob
[19:15] <nhaines> The perfect GNOME interface would be just one big button labeled "Do What I Mean".  :D
[19:15] <ali1234> there's only two things i want from unity to make it decent imo
[19:16] <kklimonda> I don't really consider myself a noob, and yet I haven't changed anything in my interface.
[19:16] <kklimonda> I even use the stock wallpaper
[19:16] <ali1234> first, fix the problems with window switching i mentioned above
[19:16] <ali1234> second, make global menu only apply to maximized windows as a config option
[19:16] <ali1234> (like how it only removes the title bar on maximized windows)
[19:16] <nhaines> ali1234: I could get behind that second one.
[19:17] <ali1234> as a fix for the first, a part way fix would be to make unity only switch to an existing window if it's on current workspace
[19:17] <ali1234> no window on current workspace = open new window
[19:17] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: that for sure
[19:17] <ali1234> that could also be a config option, like it is in gnome-panel
[19:18] <ali1234> also if i could have "keep in launcher" on a per workspace basis, that would be awesome :)
[19:19] <MaximLevitsky> in sharpE its possible to have both a normal taskbar, and unity-style appbar btw
[19:19] <MaximLevitsky> thats is really cool
[19:19] <ali1234> you can do that on unity too
[19:19] <MaximLevitsky> how?
[19:19] <ali1234> you can just load up a gnome panel :)
[19:20] <MaximLevitsky> yes, but then unity will show apps from taskbar, no
[19:20] <ali1234> yeah, but you don't need to have a taskbar on the panel
[19:20] <MaximLevitsky> there apps in appbar aren't shown in taskbar
[19:20] <ali1234> you can just have a menu
[19:20] <ali1234> anyway, i don't want that :)
[19:21] <ali1234> i want fix unity, it has potential to be better
[19:21] <MaximLevitsky> if it is forked....
[19:22] <kklimonda> seriously, who would fork it?
[19:22] <MaximLevitsky> the little point is that sharpE runs on windows.... thats why I consider switching back to it
[19:23] <MaximLevitsky> the desktop and panel were for me always the things that suck in wndows
[19:23] <dcordes> hi
[19:23] <MaximLevitsky> because they have little configuration
[19:23] <MaximLevitsky> but now unity is worse and sharpE looks even better that gnome2 and KDE3
[19:24] <MaximLevitsky> KDE4
[19:24] <ali1234> port it to linux
[19:24] <ali1234> btw i doubt it does anything that kde can't do
[19:24] <ali1234> if you can figure out how to configure kde to do it
[19:24] <MaximLevitsky> KDE plasma is very powerfull
[19:25] <MaximLevitsky> Absolutely it has everything I need
[19:25] <MaximLevitsky> but it is somewhat slow
[19:25] <dcordes> I have a machine with a two-finger touchscreen and I'm using ubuntu natty arm with unity-2d . Since unity-2d is configured to only parse three to four finger gestures by default, I can't make use of gestures in unity-2d with my device. Is there a way to reconfigure it for 2-finger use? (directly, without jinn)
[19:25] <ali1234> main problem i have with kde is it just isn't pretty enough
[19:25] <MaximLevitsky> ali1234: that I say is the opposite
[19:26] <MaximLevitsky> but KDE4 is somewhat inconsistent
[19:26] <ali1234> kde font rendering has been broken since forever
[19:26] <MaximLevitsky> yep
[19:26] <ali1234> if they ever manage to get it to render fonts properly in the middle of buttons i'll be flabbergasted
[19:26] <ali1234> oddly Qt does not have this problem
[19:26] <ali1234> so i dunno what kde are up to
[19:27] <MaximLevitsky> to say the truth many KDE4 apps layout is somewhat ugly
[19:27] <ali1234> that too
[19:27] <MaximLevitsky> KDE3 really was the best of the best
[19:27] <MaximLevitsky> I used it, and it is the best of all
[19:30] <dcordes> Bug 782335
[19:33] <ali1234> dcordes: might be better as a question than a bug?
[19:33] <dcordes> ali1234: well it's not usable out of the box. so it's an improvement proposition which is ok for a bug imho.
[19:34] <ali1234> true enough
[19:34] <ali1234> quite a lot isn;t configurable out of the box with unity though
[19:34] <ali1234> so there might be a way, idk
[19:35] <dcordes> ali1234: boulabiar: proposed to make use of unity keyboard shortcuts assignments via jinn but I am worried about perforamnce lost
[19:35] <dcordes> s/lost/loss/
[19:35] <ali1234> dcordes: also, all the people who know are probably travelling home from UDS right now, so you might want to ask again after the weekend :)
[19:36] <dcordes> yeah my timing always sucks
[23:16] <IsmAvatar> Hey guys, ##java sent me to #ubuntu, and #ubuntu sent me here. I have a java program with an icon for its window. The icon, however, is appearing all blurry in Unity's dock, regardless of if I choose a 32x32, 48x48, or 128x128 image.
[23:17] <IsmAvatar> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9975312/lgm-logo48.png is what it's supposed to look like. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9975312/lgm-unity.png is what it ends up looking like.
[23:19] <IsmAvatar> anyone alive in here? lol


[05:16] <lotuspsychje> when uploading files on FF snap it seems not remember its last dir anymore, something to test


[06:34] <amason__> newz2000: bah, didn't get an interview for that job :( Next time gadget!
[23:49] <hubuntu> hei newz2000 are you the admin for the ubuntu forums site too?


[06:36] <Kilos> morning
[06:36] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Mzyf_B8rQ
[07:31] <inetpro> good mornings
[14:00] <Kilos> praat jy van daai tannie wat oom jan vir my gestuur het
[17:47] <inetpro> good evening
[17:47] <inetpro> Kilos: see my PM
[17:47] <Kilos> inetpro  when
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: that was just in reference to the message you posted above so others can see that you were talking to me :-)
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: has that video helped you yet?


[00:07] <Seeker`> @bansearch sircrazy
[00:18] <elky> ##windows trolls, it looks like.
[01:49] <Pici> !staff | /who n=opirc    appears suspicious, already had two of them ctcp version #ubuntu already
[04:03] <Flannel> Hi phix, how can we help you today?
[04:40] <Flannel> Oh, you're muted.
[04:55] <elky> here?
[04:55] <Myrtti> seems so
[04:59] <elky> phix, please explain why we should consider removing your bans.
[05:02] <elky> he's been idle for an hour and a half. i'm removing him and he can return when he's around
[05:03] <Myrtti> sounds ok
[07:47] <Flannel> time to identify on all your nicks, eh?
[07:47] <SportChick> yeah - don't want anything to get dropped tomorrow
[08:02] <elky> oh good grief...
[08:14] <Myrtti> as christel said in one of the notifys, you could have used another client or part all your channels for that ;-)
[08:14]  * Myrtti smacks mneptok
[08:16] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193268/
[08:20] <elky> Myrtti, are we short of spots again?
[08:20] <Myrtti> no, I just joined #ubuntu and I usually check that once in a while
[08:20] <elky> it's time to go through that lovely collection attributed to the network too
[08:25] <elky> especially the ip-only ones
[09:55] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[10:00] <elky> i'm opping up just incase
[10:02] <jussi01> Ive got #k #k-ot and #k-devel
[10:02] <Myrtti> ubuntu, xubuntu, offtopic, women and -fi
[10:04] <Myrtti> it's back up...
[10:04] <Myrtti> was that it?
[10:05] <jussi01> christel: is it done?
[10:08] <christel> no! i just patched services first! it shall be done in a second, i just need to fire up the snapshot of the db on testnet for reference for after!
[10:10] <elky> i was about to say, that's suspiciously quick...
[10:10] <christel> now its done :)
[10:10] <elky> yay, no flooding off
[10:55] <elky> going to start cleaning out ip bans that dont resolve anymore
[11:12] <christel> :)
[11:13] <christel> if you guys notice any oddness with the ubuntu namespaces after the clear-out, please let me know so we can restore channels to whomever now needs them
[11:14] <christel> some will have had expired founders and as such have dropped either to freenode-staff or off the face of the planet, we're running a snapshot elsewhere from pre-prune in order to easily rectify any namespace issues as a result of expiry
[11:18] <tsimpson> perhaps we should transfer #kubuntu (and -devel) to Riddell (rather than freenode-staff)
[11:18] <elky> christel, ^^
[11:18] <Myrtti> tsimpson: or add Riddell?
[11:19] <tsimpson> he's on the list, just not the "founder"
[11:19] <tsimpson> so no +F
[11:19] <Myrtti> so modify his flags then ;-)
[11:19] <tsimpson> I haz no powerz!
[11:20] <tsimpson> hmm, I don't even have "op" flags :s
[11:20] <bazhang> :0
[11:21] <christel> elky, tsimpson done (#kubuntu + devel)
[11:21] <tsimpson> only missing +iR though
[11:26] <tsimpson> the only other #k channel missing a founder is #kubuntu-hr, I don't think it's active though
[11:26] <tsimpson> ah it's +f #ubuntu-hr
[11:26] <tsimpson> along with #kubuntu-cro
[11:32] <bazhang> whoa nasty shell names
[11:32] <jrib> yeah
[11:32] <elky> um, all three floodbots are opped?
[11:33] <bazhang> only two there fb2 is mia
[11:33] <tsimpson> it's there
[11:33] <tsimpson> just been deopped by 1 and 3
[11:33] <bazhang> yep
[11:34] <Myrtti> I had a thought...
[11:34] <Myrtti> meh.
[11:36] <bazhang> he erased bash? is that even possible?
[11:37] <Myrtti> why wouldn't it be?
[11:38] <bazhang> it is required, not sure how he could run commands without it
[11:38] <Myrtti> myrtti@reipas:~$ ls -lah /bin/sh                                Exit Code: 1
[11:38] <Myrtti> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-05-18 11:15 /bin/sh -> dash
[11:39] <Myrtti> I'm *sure* you knew that...
[11:39] <bazhang> dash ? yes, but he wants to reinstall bash
[11:39] <Myrtti> yes, but the point is, why wouldn't he be able to erase bash - he most likely isn't using it...
[11:40] <bazhang> he did it by mistake he says
[11:41] <Myrtti> and aptitude reinstall doesn't work?
[11:44] <Myrtti> so he's screwed
[11:45] <bazhang> ah he hasnt even tried yet
[11:46] <elky> mmm, laksa
[11:47] <elky> is he in his system, or dropped into busybox?
[11:56] <indus_> hi
[11:57] <indus_> a tip > i think mods are too quick to classify a question as off topic
[11:57] <indus_> ok thats all for now bye
[11:59] <bazhang> discussing downgrade options should be for brainstorm or #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:59] <Myrtti> indeed
[11:59] <bazhang> indus_, ^^
[12:00]  * popey would wget the bash executable from another machine...
[12:00]  * popey had to do this once with the python executable
[12:00] <Myrtti> popey: he doesn't have zee interhwebs...
[12:00] <popey> live cd?
[12:00] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[12:00] <bazhang> other computer, probably windows
[12:00] <popey> *shrug* also
[12:01] <bazhang> has not even tried though (trying to decipher his Mandarin English)
[12:01] <indus_> bazhang: Myrtti:yes i can understand,but we are humans arent we and i think its ok to just mention a line in main channel no?
[12:01] <Myrtti> indus_: its ok as well to note that it's offtopic for it, then :-)
[12:01]  * indus_ searches for channel #human-psychology :)
[12:01] <bazhang> indus_, there is a channel for support, and one for chatting :)
[12:01] <indus_> Myrtti: hehe yes point noted
[12:02] <indus_> ok keep up the good work bye folks
[12:03] <popey> \o/ polite people articulating complaints well
[12:03] <popey> what is the world coming to
[12:03] <bazhang> haha
[12:03] <Myrtti> *snerk*
[12:03] <bazhang> that was the guy that Chatwatch was harassing earlier
[12:14] <elky> chatwatch looked like so much fun
[12:17] <Gary> I miss chatwatch
[12:17] <bazhang> hehe
[12:22] <christel> hahahaha
[12:22] <christel> he was quite amusing
[12:34] <jrib> lol...
[12:35] <jrib> so anyone know how to get apparle (using mibbit) into #kubuntu?
[12:35] <apparle> Please allow me to connect to #kubuntu via http://mibbit.com
[12:35] <Myrtti> someone with the magic wand does an +e for him
[12:36] <bazhang> bacta is unbanned in #ubuntu ??
[12:38] <apparle> bazhang: what??
[12:38] <Myrtti> apparle: nevermind
[12:39] <apparle> so who has the magic wand
[12:41] <apparle> Myrtti: what did you mean by a +e
[12:42] <Myrtti> apparle: a technical exception for you to be able to join
[12:42] <tsimpson> apparle: you should be able to join now
[12:44] <apparle> tsimpson: I am still not able to
[12:44] <tsimpson> odd, I set a +e
[12:44] <apparle> I get this on #ubuntu-proxy-users [#ubuntu-proxy-users] /!\ ATTENTION /!\ This is NOT #ubuntu. | You have been sent to this channel because you are using a proxy service such as Tor or Cgi:IRC. There are better ways to be anonymous. | CGI:IRC users, try connecting to freenode via port 8000, 8001 or 8002. This _may_ bypass your firewalls | Please type !proxy f
[12:45] <apparle> set it again
[12:46] <tsimpson> oops, I missed a 'e' off the end, try again please
[12:47] <apparle> thanks...........If I need it again where should I check
[12:47] <tsimpson> does your IP ever change?
[12:47] <apparle> yes
[12:48] <apparle> actually Iam not sure
[12:48] <apparle> how to check
[12:48] <tsimpson> it'd depend on your ISP
[12:50] <apparle> I don't know because college decides the ISP .......but I connect through a college proxy server
[12:52] <tsimpson> just ask in here when you want access to #kubuntu, for now anyway
[12:53] <tsimpson> looks like the collage only has a small range of IPs, I may just set a +e for that range
[12:55] <elky> apparle, there's no need for you to stay in this channel though
[12:56] <elky> ok, can we please stop with the vanity factoids. they're seriously obnoxious
[12:56] <Myrtti> I've never understood them
[12:57] <elky> also bazhang, we'll pretend we dont see bacta until he messes up again. he's trying to claim he's changed, let him prove himself wrong.
[13:06] <bazhang> elky, okay. he immediately started asking about release names upon entering, so don't think it will take long
[13:07] <apparle> tsimpson: could you do that again.........I by chance disconnected
[13:08] <tsimpson> apparle: try to join now
[13:09] <apparle> tsimpson: Can you do that permanantly for my username. It is registered
[13:09] <tsimpson> apparle: the +e is like a ban mode, it doesn't matter if your identified or not
[13:10] <tsimpson> I did set +e on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>though
[13:10] <tsimpson> so you should be able to connect from the collage from now on, unless there is any trouble from there ;)
[13:11] <Myrtti> tsimpson: *cough*
[13:11] <Myrtti> *!i
[13:11] <apparle> tsimpson: can't you undo the ban for a particular "username"
[13:11] <apparle> what does all that mean
[13:11] <Myrtti> no, hold on, I'll get more coffee
[13:12] <tsimpson> it's a small enough range to not matter too much able the *!
[13:13] <Myrtti> tsimpson: I was actually thinking about the i, but nevermind
[13:13] <tsimpson> apparle: it means you, and anyone on your collage IP range (and a bit more), should have unrestricted mibbit access to #kubuntu
[13:13] <Myrtti> my brain is huddling towards the coffee pot
[13:13] <apparle> k thanks
[13:14]  * tsimpson wishes we had floodbots in #k
[13:14] <elky> yeah, why cant we?
[13:15] <tsimpson> I don't know if we can/can't, afaik they only work in one channel (#ubuntu)
[13:15] <tsimpson> I think it'd require separate bots for #k
[13:15] <tsimpson> but still, /me wants
[13:16] <Pici> It would... and do we really have that much traffic in #k that we need them?
[13:16] <apparle> me too
[13:16] <Pici> I mean, I wish we did...
[13:16] <Myrtti> I thought LjL changed the bots a bit so nowadays they could connect to two channels
[13:16] <Myrtti> but I don't know
[13:16] <Myrtti> anyway
[13:16] <tsimpson> Pici: it's mostly for mibbit/floods rather than "attack protection"
[13:16] <tsimpson> not all mibbit users are Gnome/Ubuntu users
[13:17] <Pici> tsimpson: I don't assume that they are.
[13:17] <tsimpson> I wasn't suggesting that, just that to allow mibbit we'd need some automated management (ie floodbots)
[13:18] <Myrtti> apparle: did you get to #kubuntu now?
[13:18] <tsimpson> Myrtti: they did
[13:18] <apparle> y
[13:19] <Pricey> tsimpson: Why?
[13:19] <tsimpson> apparle: you can leave here now you have access to #kubuntu :)
[13:19] <apparle> tsimpson: :) ya but I'm listening to your discussion
[13:20] <tsimpson> Pricey: why do we need some automated management? because I don't want to have to manage +e-e
[13:20] <Pici> tsimpson: Or... perhaps we could just unban mibbit.
[13:20] <tsimpson> we banned it for a reason iirc
[13:20] <elky> Pici, dont make me hurt you...
[13:20] <tsimpson> even #k gets trolls
[13:20] <Pici> elky: Just throwing out ideas (/me hides)
[13:21] <Pricey> Pici: elky: that's what i was getting at. tsimpson do you know the reason it was banned there?
[13:21] <tsimpson> it was a long time ago now (a while _after_ it was set in #u though)
[13:21] <elky> apparle, we rather not let everyone who comes through here stay and watch, there's enough ops talking without random people throwing comments in
[13:22] <tsimpson> I'm not sure, but I could have been the one who banned it...
[13:23] <tsimpson> it was sometime before ubottu it seems
[13:23] <apparle> k
[13:24] <tsimpson> besides, it would be nice to have some flood protection too
[13:24] <tsimpson> I'm not suggesting we need 3 bots in #k, one would be able to handle it. just for mibbit and flood protection
[13:25] <tsimpson> think "floodbot-light" ;)
[13:27] <elky> well i'm +1 for #k getting a floodbot for those reasons
[14:06] <ikonia> howdy
[14:06] <ikonia>  /window 37
[14:06] <ikonia> oops
[14:50] <elky> Mamarok, keep an eye on floodbotk1 please, it's a trial
[14:50] <ikonia> k1 ?
[14:51] <Mamarok> ok, will do, still here for another hour
[14:52] <elky> ikonia, to differentiate for the #k channel
[14:54] <ikonia> interesting
[15:03] <elky> killing it so i can reconfig
[15:11] <elky> tsimpson, yay, it exempts!
[15:12] <tsimpson> it's still in emergency mode though
[15:13] <elky> yeah, it's not liking being alone
[15:14] <tsimpson> it's a start at least :)
[16:20] <Pici> no
[16:48] <christel> it's been a while since ChatWatch came to visit :(
[17:23] <Gary> christel: thats 'cos it got klined :'(
[17:23] <christel> :(
[17:35] <tsimpson> nalioth: ping
[17:37] <tsimpson> or any IRCC
[17:37] <Pici> tsimpson: hm?
[17:37] <tsimpson> can we get FloodBotK added to the #kubuntu access list for +o?
[17:38] <tsimpson> (no one with modify permissions in #k is around)
[17:38] <tsimpson> oh, the IRCC account isn't on the list either...
[17:38] <Pici> and neither am I :(
[17:39] <Pici> Er, not with enough access that is.
[17:39] <nalioth> floodbotk?
[17:40] <tsimpson> floodbotk is the account we're using for the floodbots in #k
[17:40] <nalioth> right.
[17:47] <Pici> jrib: were you the 'jribindisguise' from earlier today?
[17:47] <jrib> Pici: yes
[17:47] <Pici> jrib: okay, :)
[17:48] <jrib> :)
[17:48] <jussi01> tsimpson: you still need addition access for floodbotk?
[17:49]  * jussi01 hasnt looked...
[17:50] <tsimpson> yes, if you're willing
[17:50] <jussi01> tsimpson: we have  floodbots for #k now?
[17:51] <tsimpson> we will once I figure out how to make it work properly ;)
[17:51] <jussi01> hehe
[17:51] <jussi01> ok
[17:51] <jussi01> so just +o then?
[17:52] <tsimpson> yeah, it just needs to be able to op itself
[17:52] <jussi01> ikonia: see pm
[19:20] <Pici> Can someone take a look at stevecam at the 52 min of the hour in -ot.. ompaul msged me about it, but I'm in the middle of something here at work.
[19:21] <Seeker`> hasn't said anything since
[19:38] <Traveler7> hi, am i banned in #ubuntu? i can't join now
[19:38] <Traveler7> I am via java
[19:39] <Pici> Traveler7: Is it too much trouble to use a real IRC client to join #ubuntu?
[19:39] <Traveler7> Pici: now I am in another PC
[19:40] <Traveler7> I can't use irssi here, sorry
[19:40] <jussi01> Traveler7: try using mibbit ;)
[19:40] <Pici> Traveler7: What about mibbit.com ?
[19:40] <Traveler7> I can't join in freenode via mibbit
[19:41] <Traveler7> no problem, I'll join tomorrow
[19:41] <Pici> You should be able to.
[19:41] <stew> no, he shouldn't
[19:41] <Pici> stew: Did I miss something?
[19:42] <jussi01> stew: ?
[19:44] <stew> Pici: no, you didn't miss anything, but he's not able to use mibbit
[20:18] <jussi01> stew: why not? we have floodbots making exceptions for mibbit in #ubuntu? or is there some other reason?
[20:18] <Pici> I have a feeling that this specific user was banned from the mibbit service itself.
[20:18] <jussi01> oh...
[20:19] <Myrtti> why does that nick sound so familiar
[20:19] <bazhang> he was trolling -ot a while back
[20:19] <Seeker`> @bansearch traveler
[20:19] <Seeker`> @bansearch traveler*
[20:20] <Pici> I thought it was the default nick for the old freenode irc applet.
[20:20] <bazhang> insane rants about his landlord and other such stuff
[21:33] <bazhang> wonder if that was Chatwatch paying a call
[21:33] <Myrtti> hehe
[21:33] <bazhang> :)
[22:53] <popey> seems club ubuntu up to their usual fun
[22:56] <Flannel> popey: where?
[22:56] <popey> inviting people to join the channel in prv
[22:56] <Flannel> right
[23:01] <jussi01> popey: where?
[23:02] <jussi01> I mean, do we know where the inital contact with the prospects is happening.
[23:02] <jussi01> ?
[23:02] <popey> it was someone from -uk being invited to c-u
[23:03] <popey> looks like it was someone who hangs out in both
[23:05] <jussi01> hrm, right.
[23:05] <jussi01> do we know who was doing it?
[23:07] <jussi01> meh, someone else can sort it. I have an early morning and need to sleep.
[23:07] <jussi01> nini
[23:07] <Flannel> probably emmy
[23:08] <popey> eh
[23:08] <popey> sorry, heh
[23:08] <Flannel> No?   You don't have to be there.
[23:27] <ikonia> I'm not, but people do post logs
[23:28] <ikonia> this whole pm'ing people to join is very tedious and old
[23:28] <ikonia> and just seems to never go away despite multiple promises it will stop
[23:28] <ikonia> and this odd "I'm not emma - but I am" type behaviour is just....well odd
[23:29] <ikonia> can't be bothered with stupid games - if ubuntu is that bad, and the channels are that bad, just leave the channels
[23:29] <ikonia> why stick in them if the ubuntu spirit is so poor ?
[23:29] <ikonia> ooh yes, it's to advertise
[23:29] <ikonia> can't be bothered, going to bed
[23:29] <ikonia> night
[23:30] <Flannel> night ikonia
[23:30] <bazhang> night
[23:37] <elky> it does however mean that she's evading a ban in #u
[23:38] <Pricey> Which?
[23:40] <elky> the one on the cloak
[23:40] <elky> we leave those there as a visual statement as much as anything
[23:43] <Pricey> elky: on /emma ?
[23:43] <Pricey> I don't see it :S
[23:45] <elky> hmm, maybe it's just -ot that's on
[23:45] <Flannel> -ot and edubuntu, it looks like
[23:47] <elky> my local logs only have her saying 2 lines in #u. grepping bip logs now
[23:53] <elky> sebsebseb theoretical incoming
[23:54] <elky> sebsebseb, why did you do that?
[23:54] <bazhang> mrwes, how may we help you
[23:54] <mrwes> nope...I"m out
[23:55] <sebsebseb> elky:  I wasn't thinking that Sara is also Sarah,  and I didn't want to say  he/she or him/her,  so wanted  to know which was more correct she or he
[23:59] <elky> sebsebseb, it was rude and the poor thing feels humiliated now.
[23:59] <elky> sebsebseb, you should also be talking to people there, hence saying 'you, your', rather than 'his, her'


[04:00] <inetpro> good morning
[04:48] <superfly> goooooood morning! :-D
[04:56] <kbmonkey> morning!
[04:58] <superfly> yo kbmonkey
[05:04] <kbmonkey> hi superfly !
[05:05] <kbmonkey> wow I dont believe I got this network going again :)
[05:08] <superfly> well, glad you did :-)
[05:18] <kbmonkey> I like my daily fortune :)
[05:18] <kbmonkey> Q:How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift?
[05:18] <kbmonkey> A:33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the regis
[05:19] <kbmonkey> *register
[05:29] <nlsthzn> Morning all
[05:31] <kbmonkey> hi nlsthzn
[05:32] <nlsthzn> How are you kbmonkey?
[05:32] <kbmonkey> im good nlsthzn, yourself?
[05:32] <nlsthzn> Half awake and fine thx
[05:32] <kbmonkey> a little sore from training but okay :)
[05:34] <nlsthzn> sounds like hectic training
[05:41] <kbmonkey> only a little, it a good sign tho
[05:44] <kbmonkey> laters...
[06:53] <Kilos> morning superfly and all ya other peeps
[07:00] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:15]  * nlsthzn waves
[08:08] <rossouwap> anybody got experience with kvm virtualisation?
[09:21] <cocooncrash> Maaz: version
[09:21] <Maaz> cocooncrash: I am version 0.1.1
[09:22] <Symmetria> ullo
[09:23] <Symmetria> so like, I know that Im used to, crazy fast connections because of the TENET network...
[09:23] <Symmetria> but after the connection Im sitting on right now
[09:23] <Symmetria> heh, those are no longer crazy fast
[09:23]  * Symmetria is wired into a 100 gigabit internet circuit :P
[09:25] <Owkkuri> where are you Symmetria?
[09:25] <Symmetria> Hong Kong
[09:25] <Symmetria> at a conference
[09:26] <marcog> Symmetria: you realise we all hate you right now? ;)
[09:27] <Symmetria> marcog lol dont worry, I'll give you my new inflight viewing collection when I get back and you can love me again :P
[09:28] <marcog> we will only accept UHDV
[09:29] <Symmetria> marcog haha, what do you think most networking conference delegates do on a 100G internet link?
[09:31] <marcog> seed UHDV movies/series for the rest of the world?
[09:32] <Symmetria> marcog more like, download *.internet till notebook/ipad/whatever other device they have with storage is full
[09:33] <Symmetria> :P
[09:33] <Symmetria> and dont bother to seed shit :P
[09:33] <froztbyte> and then ship the HDs back
[09:33] <marcog> Symmetria: you see why we hate you guys? you need to *seed* :)
[10:06] <queery> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hardware/18647-Computer-monitor-prices-set-jump.html
[10:07] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[10:07]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[10:11] <queery> thank you maaz
[12:54] <nlsthzn> hey, imageshack has failed me yet again... and I am looking for a better alternative for sharing photos online, suggestions?
[12:59] <Owkkuri> imgur's basic, but works
[12:59] <Owkkuri> froztbyte likes smugmug
[12:59] <froztbyte> smugmug's teh pretty!
[12:59] <froztbyte> it's not really just for random images, though
[13:00] <nlsthzn> I see imgur does not keep the files, they can be deleted after time... hmmm...
[13:01] <Owkkuri> basic*
[13:02] <Owkkuri> I've got a photobucket account i think
[13:02]  * Owkkuri digs
[13:03] <nlsthzn> smugsmug looks cool... but also never heard of them...
[13:09] <Vhata> flickr
[13:16] <nlsthzn> Vhata: seems flicker and picasa the big players now... thanks
[14:19] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[14:19] <nlsthzn> Hi Mr. Kilos
[14:19] <nlsthzn> SA looking good in CWC thus far :)
[14:20] <Kilos> so far
[14:20] <Kilos> i think i have solved the bug in my P4
[14:21] <Kilos> I am sure it was in the cpu cache
[14:21] <Kilos> thats why i could only load windows on here
[14:22] <nlsthzn> cool... so now you can rock Ubuntu?
[14:23] <Kilos> yeah my karmic is working kiff now
[14:23] <Kilos> no more errors or closing apps on its own
[14:24] <nlsthzn> nice
[14:24] <Kilos> but still needed to reinstall all the python and gnome and gconfig2 from synaptic to get properly updated
[14:25] <Kilos> apt-get update and upgrade and dist-upgrade left out lots
[14:25] <Kilos> so its coffee time
[14:25] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:25]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:26] <nlsthzn> well, if it works. it works :)
[14:26] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[14:26] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[14:26] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[14:26] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[14:26] <nlsthzn> kubuntu 10.04 is so far the most stable distro I have used... and so far everything I have tried works
[14:27] <Kilos> my maverick was also lekker before the bug hit me but now data to min to install again
[14:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:29] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you kind bot
[14:29] <Maaz> Kilos: not at all
[14:31] <Kilos> i even ordered a new maverick cd in case it was the cd that was faulty
[14:32] <nlsthzn> well... I think I will stick with the Lynx for now :)
[14:33] <Kilos> they were both lekker but maverick needs more installing on your own
[14:34] <nlsthzn> meaning>
[14:34] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:34] <Kilos> im not sure anymore but gedit and aptitude and some other apps had to be installed after
[14:35] <Kilos> and it always wanted to use the software centre
[14:35] <Kilos> not gedit gdebi
[14:36] <Kilos> dunno if you get that in kubuntu
[14:38] <Kilos> anyone know how inetpro is doing. aint seen him inna while
[14:40] <nlsthzn> nope, can't say I even noticed that in ubuntu 10.10 when I was trying it
[14:44] <Kilos> you use cli mostly
[14:44] <Kilos> ?
[14:46] <nlsthzn> I do enjoy apt-get... it has super cow powers :)
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:46] <nlsthzn> but no, I am a gui type guy
[14:46] <Kilos> me too
[14:54] <nuvolari> does anyone know if it's possible to aquire a das keyboard in ZA?
[14:54] <nuvolari> mirrag oom Kilos
[14:54] <Kilos> nuvolari, hoe gaan dit seun
[14:54] <Kilos> lank laas gesels
[14:55] <nuvolari> ek oorleef oom, dis wat tel :P
[14:55] <nuvolari> en met oom?
[14:55] <Kilos> goed dankie als werk weer
[15:03] <nuvolari> Kilos: dis goed oom! Oom klets nou meer op IRC as ek! haha
[15:05] <Kilos> haha
[15:05] <Kilos> ya baie en dis sleg
[15:10] <nuvolari> whokom oom?
[15:11] <Kilos> jy was altyd bedrywig hier
[16:36] <kbmonkey> evening all
[16:43] <nlsthzn> hey kbmonkey
[16:47] <kbmonkey> I have an interesting problem
[16:48] <kbmonkey> copying files into a samba share, sets the file owner to 'nobody'
[16:48] <kbmonkey> so logged on to that local pc where the shares are hosted, my user cannot access those files
[16:50] <froztbyte> your samba server is set to use the user 'nobody'
[16:50] <froztbyte> change that and it's not a problem anymore
[16:51] <froztbyte> (or you can add your user to the same group as samba runs in as well, I guess)
[16:51] <kbmonkey> I thought so froztbyte, I can't find where though. I checked /etc/samba/smb.conf :)
[16:53] <kbmonkey> Ah it may be the inherit owner global option, let me add and see..
[16:53] <kbmonkey> no wait.. then the owner will still be the samba user.
[16:58] <Symmetria> Ullo :P
[16:58] <kbmonkey> hi!
[16:59] <Symmetria> heh, its been years since I got to have an all out argument with someone on an email list
[16:59] <Symmetria> Im having fun
[16:59] <Symmetria> :P
[17:02] <kbmonkey> good idea froztbyte, but there is no 'nobody' group.
[17:03] <kbmonkey> unless I can set the default file creation mask for samba shares...
[17:03] <Symmetria> froztbyte are you watching afrinic list?
[17:22] <Symmetria> man, honestly
[17:22] <Symmetria> americans need to get the hell off our continent and stop trying to dictate whats best for africa
[17:22] <Symmetria> cause they dont know shit
[17:22] <Symmetria> and they are only trying to enrich themselves


[00:23] <mparillo> I believe "Paul is dead" was the first conspiracy theory I ever heard.
[00:24] <mparillo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbey_Road#Abbey_Road_crossing_and_%22Paul_is_dead%22
[00:25] <mparillo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead


[12:56] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel tags d82dd65 Jonathan Carter upstream/62 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel/tags/upstream/62
[13:18] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock tags 9b81f86 Jonathan Carter upstream/91 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock/tags/upstream/91
[13:26] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-hide-activities tags 3d4022f Jonathan Carter upstream/46 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-hide-activities/tags/upstream/46
[15:10] <KGB-X> gtk4 Jeremy Bicha 483981 * commented merge request !21 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/merge_requests/21#note_483981
[15:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 21 in gnome-team/gtk4 "Draft: Take over gtk-update-icon-cache from src:gtk+3.0" [Opened]
[15:15] <KGB-X> gtk4 signed tags 74b3ec5 Jeremy Bicha upstream/4.14.3+ds * Upstream version 4.14.3+ds * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/tags/upstream/4.14.3+ds
[15:16] <KGB-X> gtk4 upstream/latest 3473083 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 48 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/compare/c9091f5...3473083
[15:16] <KGB-X> gtk4 upstream/latest 49e145b Dylan McCall gtk/gtkswitch.c * docs: Clarify state and active properties in GtkSwitch * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/49e145b
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 49e145b in gnome-team/gtk4 "docs: Clarify state and active properties in GtkSwitch"
[15:16] <KGB-X> gtk4 upstream/latest 137be79 Matthijs Velsink gtk/gtkshortcutmanager.c * shortcutmanager: Track propagation phase of added controllers * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/137be79
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 137be79 in gnome-team/gtk4 "shortcutmanager: Track propagation phase of added controllers"
[15:16] <KGB-X> gtk4 upstream/latest 497da6b Hansem Ro gdk/x11/gdkdevicemanager-xi2.c * xi2: Fix incorrect input source type in Input debug message * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/497da6b
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 497da6b in gnome-team/gtk4 "xi2: Fix incorrect input source type in Input debug message"
[15:16] <KGB-X> gtk4 upstream/latest 918b5e9 Matthias Clasen gdk/gdkdmabuftexture.c * dmabuf texture: Survive multiple disposes * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/918b5e9
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 918b5e9 in gnome-team/gtk4 "dmabuf texture: Survive multiple disposes"
[15:17] <KGB-X> gtk4 upstream/latest 7e2cb72 Matthias Clasen gdk/ (6 files in 6 dirs) * build: Add a missing dependency * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/7e2cb72
[15:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 7e2cb72 in gnome-team/gtk4 "build: Add a missing dependency"
[15:17] <KGB-X> gtk4 pristine-tar 5997486 Jeremy Bícha gtk4_4.14.3+ds.orig.tar.xz.delta gtk4_4.14.3+ds.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gtk4_4.14.3+ds.orig.tar.xz * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/5997486
[15:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 5997486 in gnome-team/gtk4 "pristine-tar data for gtk4_4.14.3+ds.orig.tar.xz"
[15:23] <KGB-X> gtk4 Simon McVittie 483988 * commented merge request !21 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/merge_requests/21#note_483988
[15:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 21 in gnome-team/gtk4 "Draft: Take over gtk-update-icon-cache from src:gtk+3.0" [Opened]
[15:29] <KGB-X> gtk4 Jeremy Bicha 483991 * commented merge request !21 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/merge_requests/21#note_483991
[15:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 21 in gnome-team/gtk4 "Draft: Take over gtk-update-icon-cache from src:gtk+3.0" [Opened]
[15:30] <KGB-X> glib Julian Andres Klode 483993 * commented merge request !34 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/glib/-/merge_requests/34#note_483993
[15:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 34 in gnome-team/glib "Draft: Revert 'd/control: Bring back libglib2.0-0 as a transitional package'" [Opened]
[15:30] <KGB-X> gtk4 Simon McVittie 483994 * commented merge request !21 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/merge_requests/21#note_483994


[10:36] <alkisg> Hi, has anyone heard of any bugs, where "AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with Radeon Vega Graphics [1002:15dd]" won't start Xorg on 18.04.4, kernel 5.3 etc,...
[10:36] <alkisg> ...but only on the 32bit kernel, while it works on 64bit?
[10:39] <tjaalton> no
[10:40] <alkisg> Thank you; I'll tell the school to install amd64 for now, and revisit this later if any other school reports it again


[16:15] <ashams> oops!, topic outdated :)
[16:15] <EgyParadox> lol
[16:15] <EgyParadox> ah sa7
[16:15] <ashams> peace ya man :D
[16:16] <ashams> EgyParadox: \o/
[16:39] <EgyParadox> 11,12d
[16:39] <EgyParadox> 11,12 3
[16:40] <EgyParadox>  3
[17:14] <ashams> EgyParadox: r u ok? :D
[17:15] <EgyParadox> yes
[17:15] <ashams> great
[17:15] <EgyParadox> I was checking whether colors are sent or not
[17:15] <EgyParadox> i mean colored text*
[17:15] <ashams> aha
[17:15] <ashams> no it doesn't
[17:15] <EgyParadox> omal eh eli zaher?
[17:16] <ashams> Just numbers
[17:16] <EgyParadox> ok
[17:16] <ashams> 11,12d
[17:16] <ashams> 11d12 3
[17:16] <ashams> 3
[17:17] <EgyParadox> no ctrl+k
[18:59] <seif> what r u guys zup 2
[19:01] <seif> ashams, what r u up 2
[19:01] <seif> :)
[19:02] <ashams> seif: just playing around with python :D
[19:13] <seif> lol
[19:13] <seif> i am waiting for a meeting
[19:13] <seif> 2a7a
[19:13] <seif> :P


[07:19] <WunderWungiel> Hi
 Hi! I'm having problems With Ubuntu/Kubuntu with my Geforce 310M... Kubunt is using NOUVEAU driver and the S.O. is very laggy when using any OPENGL as compositor. Can i share this doubt here? I've already tryed tons of command lines and read a lot on web, but nothing can solve it...
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 hey
[13:12] <pa> hi folks
[13:12] <pa> just a heads up
[13:13] <pa> Qt5.12.8 packages in 20.04 are broken
[13:13] <pa> .prl files are missing for some of the modules
[13:14] <pa> as result, using that distribution to build anything that make use of those modules fail
[14:11] <tilbricio> Olaa
[14:11] <tilbricio> Ola
[14:11] <tilbricio> Pra q serve o Konversation? É só um chat?
[14:40] <ri5h46h> RikMills: Does akonadi still have conflicts with MySQL?
 Hi! I installed Ubuntu 16.04 and I want to install cuda8. I used the .Deb file for that purpose but after dpkg it says it can't locate the package cuda ! I tried to use the run file instead but I get the error the kernel path not found expressionless
[19:26] <Gophyr> I just upgraded from kubuntu 20.10 to 21.04.  All of my icons are now black squares.  Any ideas on how to fix?
[20:08] <Gophyr> nvm, fixed via https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/78099-All-icons-missing-from-all-KDE-dialogs-applications-like-Firefox-are-fine
[20:52] <chris_warren> How's it going y'all?
 Hello guys. Dose anyone know software like scrcpy can monitor and control android phone but have option to transfare audio from phone to system
 @erfan_sta, Uhm, syncthing?