[09:24] <aris_> hi room new linux user 15.10 unfortunatelly added kubuntu weekly stable ppa s and after that vlc. vlc doesnt show all the frame in full screen only a part of it the biggest part is black and dragon player seems not be able to show subtitles any solutions
[09:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:51] <aris_> hi room new linux user 15.10 unfortunatelly added kubuntu weekly stable ppa s and after that vlc. vlc doesnt show all the frame in full screen only a part of it the biggest part is black and dragon player seems not be able to show subtitles any solutions
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:55] <lordievader> o/
[15:01] <Jim___> can I buy a USB stick with Kubunto already loaded?
[15:53] <gtr> привет всем
[15:53] <gtr> hello all's
[15:54] <lordievader> o/
[15:56] <Riste> Hello people and bots :D
[16:01] <Riste> y so silent
[16:02] <soee> hiho
[16:04] <Riste> What's up :D?
[16:05] <lordievader> Riste: It is the weekend ;)
[16:07] <Riste> lordievader: hello, oh yeah forgot it's only me working for the weekends *starts crying immensly*
[16:10] <starxx> hello
[16:10] <starxx> ребята, подскажите по регистрации своего канала
[16:11] <starxx> нужно дл скромной компании из 3х человек
[16:11] <lordievader> Riste: Do you like your work?
[16:11] <lordievader> !ru | starxx
[16:11] <starxx> shit..
[16:12] <Riste> lordievader: it's not that bad, but it's not what i love :D
[16:14] <lordievader> I see, well lets say it makes you appreciate other things more? (Trying to find a silver lining)
[16:16] <Riste> hahahaha, i appreciate my job, especially where i come from and how things are here its awesome
[16:16] <Riste> considering my age, soon hopefully though i'll be relocating starting from 0 :D
[16:57] <somekool> hello, I had a bug with kscreenlocker which I thought KDE related. but i dont have same problem under ArchLinux, its just that my monitor does not go idle/sleep after few minutes when my screen is locked. if I logout and get to sddm, its fine. archlinux, fine in both cases, sddm and screenlocker
[17:08] <lordievader> Sounds more like a config issue.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> disable the screenlock
[17:14] <lordievader> I was more hinting at System Settings -> Power management -> Energy Saving -> Screen Energy Saving
[17:43] <jubo2> I got a 1TB USB3 disk
[17:44] <jubo2> What's the best shot to make it work with GNU/Linukka, Windows and OS X ?
[17:44] <jubo2> and what is the leading intelligent backup system for Kubuntu?
[17:44] <jubo2> I mean copyleft solution
[17:45] <jubo2> Actually the disk hasn't worked in a long time.. Did something wrong at some point
[17:45] <lordievader> jubo2: For the second question, I'd say Dirvish. Not sure if it is copyleft though.
[17:45] <jubo2> I plug it in to Kubuntu and it shows as 937GB disk in the file browser but I cannot access it
[17:46] <jubo2> lordievader: ait.. I search for this Dirvish
[18:01] <jubo2> I'd wish for something where I just plug in the disk occasionally and the system takes care of synccing the files that have changed
[18:02] <jubo2> I don't currently have a machine I can dedicate to backupping
[18:04] <somekool> lordievader: thanks for the hint, it is already set to 10 minutes.
[18:05] <lordievader> jubo2: Write a udev rules which invoked dirvish/rsync when it is plugged in.
[18:08] <jubo2> I dunno what is udev
[18:11] <lordievader> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev
[18:14] <jubo2> ait..
[18:16] <lordievader> If you plug in something udev makes sure it is actually usable. You can change his behaviour slighly by rules. Thus you can set up a rule detailing that if a device with id X is inserted program/script Y should run.
[18:16] <jubo2> ok..
[18:17] <lordievader> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Writing_udev_rules
[18:18] <MichaelTun> anyone in here using Ubuntu 14.04 that would be willing to test something for me? Would take less than 2 minutes.
[18:18] <MichaelTun> Kubuntu*
[18:27] <jubo2> Can Gparted move partitions from disk to disk?
[18:27] <jubo2> I'm unable to locate my Kingston provided partition mover CD
[18:28] <jubo2> Got 6GB free on this Kubutnu15.10
[18:28] <jubo2> So really would need to move this to another bigger disk
[18:28] <lordievader> Not that I am aware of.
[18:28] <lordievader> But dd can.
[18:28] <jubo2> got one functional 2.5" 0.5TB disk here
[18:29] <MichaelTun> gparted is for managing partitions not copying and moving but like lordievader said dd can do it
[18:30] <jubo2> Maccple protections were nothing a little remount, 'sudo cp -r' and 'sudo chown username *' couldn't deal with yielding all protected files
[18:30] <jubo2> :D :D
[18:31] <jubo2> noticed on the way that 'sudo cd' will not run
[18:32] <lordievader> It does, but it is pointless.
[18:32] <jubo2> so I figured
[18:32] <lordievader> You open a new session, change the dir and close the session.
[18:33] <jubo2> Once http://maidsafe.net goes into Beta I gonna shop for good deal on 10x USB-to-SATA enclosures and hook 'em up
[18:34] <lordievader> Blegh, usb to sata.
[18:34] <jubo2> fill 'em up with really cheap used 0.25-0.32TB
[18:35] <jubo2> [Sunday, January 25, 2015] [06:37:41 PM] <jubo2>        "It's like legalized socialism." ~ jubo-jubo on MaidSafe Networks
[18:37] <jubo2> and definatelly donating this 1TB USB3 if I can get it back to working
[18:37] <jubo2> the safecoins are paid via a fair lottery system btw
[18:38] <jubo2> and by the time the 4-gigacoin ceiling is reached the system will have migrated from pure socialism to a socialist-freemarketist system
[18:38] <jubo2> so hear me. nothing drastic will happen when the 4-gigacoin ceiling is hit
[18:39] <jubo2> Services will continue to be provided to inhabitants of Planet Earth
[18:39] <jubo2> Safecoins will continue to be paid if you need anything but the free level
[18:40] <lordievader> Err, what does this have to do with Kubuntu support?
[18:40] <jubo2> MaidSafe is pure amax0ring
[18:40] <lordievader> I.e. its offtopic...
[18:41] <jubo2> id est?
[19:01] <Rok> anyone available to help me with a Kmail issue?  Upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 and it appears as though it deleted all of my Local Mail folders.  I verified that the path to my local mail storage is correct, but all it shows is empty folders
[19:03] <Rok> Anyone at all...
[19:06] <Rok> Neat. Nobody helps. Nice.   Backups that were stored in a secondary location (not the default path), so thanks for the support, douchebags!
[19:07] <Rok> exit


[18:59] <asac> @time ;)
[19:00] <asac> @time
[19:00] <asac> hi!
[19:01] <fta> hi
[19:02] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[19:02] <asac>  -> agenda
[19:02] <asac> if anyone has anything to add, go ahead
[19:04] <fta> short agenda apparently
[19:05] <asac> given that i am sick, its probably ok
[19:05] <asac> :)
[19:05] <asac> winter is coming
[19:06] <asac> lets wait for gnomefreak ;)
[19:07] <fta> ok
[19:07] <stgraber> asac: you now have a month to get better, then you'll get the UDS-flu
[19:07] <asac> oh no
[19:08] <asac> i know about that
[19:08] <asac> thought that california is hot then ;)
[19:09] <stgraber> well, yeah, that'll be good especially as I'll be flying from Montreal where it'll be likely be really cold at this time of the year (it's already -2 outside :))
[19:09] <asac> stgraber: what are you doing there?
[19:09] <stgraber> asac: living and working :)
[19:09] <asac> oh
[19:09] <stgraber> moved there 3 months ago
[19:09] <asac> from where?
[19:10] <asac> oh switzerland
[19:10] <asac> ok
[19:10] <stgraber> yeah
[19:10] <asac> cool ;)
[19:10] <asac> fta: so i guess gnomefreak bailed out ;)
[19:11] <fta> asac, or still fighting against evil wifi
[19:11] <asac> oh he is on wifi?
[19:11] <asac> i told him that drugs aint good for him ;)
[19:12]  * asac wonders if he has still 256m
[19:12] <asac> ok anyway lets get started ;) ...
[19:12] <asac> NCommander applied for team membership
[19:13] <asac> however, apparently he didnt made it here, even though he reaffirmed that he would participate
[19:13] <asac> his area of interest is helping to be more of a debian bridge ;) ... i guess
[19:14] <asac> he jumped the gun to help out on icedove ;), but from what i understood would be willing to do more.
[19:14] <fta> not sure what kind of bridge we could (re)build here.
[19:14] <asac> I dont know either. maybe he could also help communicating with debian maintainers
[19:14] <fta> maybe he should start to contribute, before applying
[19:14] <asac> trying to get patches out of them for instance
[19:15] <asac> yeah. he only did the icedove update here.
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: hi ;)
[19:16] <gnomefreak> hi
[19:16]  * gnomefreak trying to grab agenda
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: so we are currently discussing ncommanders application
[19:17] <asac> i think we are currently leaning towards asking for more contributions first ;)
[19:17] <asac> anyway, he didnt show up so the question is void
[19:17] <gnomefreak> works for me. if he can fix my network ill give him membership and 50 pounds of goldf
[19:17] <asac> lets push that back to next meeting ... there should be plenty of time to show that he wants to help out more than once
[19:18] <gnomefreak> ok we should ping him during the week about it
[19:18] <asac> i think he definitly is technically adapt enough
[19:18] <gnomefreak> push mine back as well
[19:18] <asac> gnomefreak: you have 50 pounds of gold? thats quite a lot at todays prices
[19:18] <asac> ok so thats done then i think
[19:18] <gnomefreak> no but i have 50 pounds of goldf ;)
[19:19] <asac> he
[19:19] <asac> ok lets review actions from last meeting then ;)
[19:19] <asac> i think they are there
[19:19] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-09-14
[19:20] <asac> 1st. Check for extensions and plugins that are not supported in Firefox 3, and remove them, if there are no updates for them
[19:20] <asac> i think that was done
[19:20] <asac> 2nd. Remove Firefox 2 from the archive
[19:20] <asac> is done too i think
[19:20] <gnomefreak> 3rd was done as well
[19:20] <asac> yeah
[19:20] <asac> that was "Add abrowser to all firefox rdepends and upload"
[19:21] <gnomefreak> and 4th will hit in +1?
[19:21] <asac> 4th. Try to get Firefox 3.1 alpha2 into the archive
[19:21] <fta> failed
[19:21] <asac> i am not sure when 3.1 will be out
[19:21] <asac> we certainly want it in asap
[19:21] <gnomefreak> its b1 now isnt it?
[19:21] <asac> but for a while it probably should stay in universe not being the default
[19:21] <fta> yes
[19:21] <asac> we can then decide later in cycle
[19:22] <asac> whether this is close enough to final and whether there are enough extensions compatible
[19:22] <gnomefreak> work on it for universe in next dev cycle
[19:22] <asac> but i would really prevent the pain we went through when releasing ffox 3 as b5
[19:22] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we can immediately upload it to universe once the doors open
[19:22] <gnomefreak> asac: its firefox there are always gonna be issues for people
[19:22] <asac> ok so ltest carry that action forward with s/intrepid/jaunty/
[19:22] <fta> asac, b1 or a snapshot ?
[19:22] <asac> fta: milestones
[19:23] <fta> ok
[19:23] <asac> fta: we should explicitly disable the official branding imo
[19:23] <fta> i ship snapshots as shiretoko now
[19:23] <asac> fta: even if mozilla ships them with official ... because we cannot really guarantee security support in case it doesnt go to main and thats one of the reasons
[19:23] <gnomefreak> replace Shiretoko with what?
[19:23] <asac> fta: yeah. just in case they decide to switch on official branding in b3 or something and we ship that in universe
[19:24] <asac> gnomefreak: the logo is ok
[19:24] <asac> we can just use the unofficial branding i think
[19:24] <asac> (e.g.the milestone branding)
[19:24] <asac> fta: is that ok?
[19:24] <asac> similar we should fix the .desktop file et al
[19:24] <asac> but thats clear i guess
[19:24] <fta> it's blue planet, not the bomb, nor the fox
[19:24] <asac> fta: yeah thats the "milestone branding" i think
[19:24] <fta> yes
[19:24] <asac> should be ok
[19:24] <gnomefreak> blue planet i thought was minefield
[19:25] <asac> [ACTION] fta to bring up ffox 3.1 milestones when jaunty opens
[19:25] <fta> ok
[19:25] <asac> fta: we could provide backports in -hardy-backports as well if you want. but personally i hope that we can tap MOTU community for doing those backports
[19:26] <fta> me too
[19:26] <asac> fta: we could maintain the backport branches and leave the administrative things of uploading to MOTU
[19:26] <asac> fta: i think you build for hardy anyway in your ppa right? so the backports are most likely available
[19:26] <asac> ok
[19:26] <asac> 5th. Write down how to get items into the monthly reports and send that to mailing list/wiki
[19:26] <asac> -> failed miserably
[19:26] <gnomefreak> once oked archive admins build and push
[19:26] <asac> it was me underestimating release work and pain
[19:27] <asac> ok i carry that action forward
[19:27] <asac> [ACTION] asac, to Write down how to get items into the monthly reports and send that to mailing list/wiki
[19:27] <asac> 6th. File a bug about removing libflashssupport from ia32-libs
[19:27] <asac>  -> done
[19:27] <gnomefreak> its not removed
[19:27] <gnomefreak> afaik
[19:28] <asac> 7th. Get mozilla-devscripts in Debian
[19:28] <gnomefreak> maybe from ia32-* but it should be removed from archive all together
[19:28] <asac> -> interestingly mike from debian commented on this and said that most features are not wanted for debian
[19:28] <asac> i wouldnt have expected anything different, but we should maybe review how we can make it more useful
[19:28] <fta> asac, they said parts of it was fine, but which parts?
[19:28] <gnomefreak> why not?
[19:28] <asac> gnomefreak: its also removed completeyl
[19:29] <gnomefreak> ah i see
[19:29] <asac> i think he referred to the lp- xpi export as being useless
[19:29] <asac> the extension packaging xpi.mk is probably considered useful
[19:29] <asac> then the orig stuff might be too
[19:29] <gnomefreak> well since they dont use Lp i would think so
[19:29] <asac> but i think debian folks would like to maintain the hooks in the package rules files instead of updating mozclient for lets say iceweasel
[19:30] <asac> so once thats possible (??) we could suggests them to take a look
[19:30] <fta> it is possible now, ~ 0.11
[19:30] <asac> fta: could we migrate packages to use that? i mean, shouldnt that be the default modus-of-operation?
[19:30] <fta> i'm already using it that way in xul-explorer and instantbird
[19:31] <asac> is there anthing that would hinder us to use that in firefox/xulrunner?
[19:31] <asac> or tbird?
[19:31] <fta> nothing is preventing that
[19:31] <asac> fta: ok lets ask different: why don't we do it? what do we win from shipping those hooks in the mozclient instead of in the packages?
[19:32] <asac> ( i dont suggest that we should migrate it ... just want to understand the pros and cons)
[19:32] <fta> just that in the past, it was not possible, now it is
[19:32] <fta> otherwise, it's the same
[19:33] <asac> fta: ok. we should look at how "comprehensive" that is usable and if we can polish the API a bit to make it more attractive for debian
[19:33] <asac> otherwise should be fine i think
[19:33] <asac> thanks
[19:33] <fta> it may be even better as we could have different confs for a given package, one per branch
[19:34] <asac> yeah. it definitly helps
[19:34] <asac> especially now that we do branding stuff in the orig generation
[19:34] <asac> e.g. otherwise we cannot easily rename the branding branch from awesome branding now in jaunty
[19:34] <asac> because the intrepid package needs the other ;)
[19:34] <asac> ok cool. then lets
[19:34] <fta> yes
[19:35] <asac> [ACTION] review packages and how we can make mozclient confs in the packaging itself
[19:35] <asac> ok i think thats for the review of action items ;)
[19:35] <asac> gnomefreak: your turn :)
[19:35] <gnomefreak> my turn?
[19:35] <asac> [TOPIC] " Any ideas for Jaunty eg: Firefox-3.1 added to repos along with 3.0
[19:35] <asac>
[19:35] <gnomefreak> sorry hitting self
[19:35] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[19:35] <asac> gnomefreak: your agenda item ;)
[19:35] <gnomefreak> we cant do anything with that yet
[19:36] <fta> i have a bunch of packages waiting
[19:36] <fta> fennec firefox-3.1/firefox-3.1-qt flock instantbird seamonkey-2.0 songbird thunderbird-3.0 xul-explorer xulrunner-1.9.1/xulrunner-1.9.1-qt
[19:36] <gnomefreak> i have extensions waiting and one to fix
[19:36] <asac> fta: we should really rename flock
[19:36] <fta> agreed, flock -> out
[19:36] <gnomefreak> i like flock :(
[19:36] <asac> i am scared by their tradmark policy
[19:36] <gnomefreak> flock in free
[19:36] <asac> can be shipped in multiverse ... if at all
[19:36] <gnomefreak> sortof like sunbird
[19:37] <asac> but usually folks dont liek to put work in multiverse work ;)
[19:37] <asac> ok so:
[19:37] <gnomefreak> why cant we whip it in universe?
[19:37] <gnomefreak> s/whip/ship
[19:37] <asac> gnomefreak: because trademark policy sucks
[19:37] <fta> i'm no longer interested to work on it either, it's not free in my own terms
[19:37] <asac> we have to take care that nobody touches the package except those that talk to flock devs and stuff
[19:38] <asac> fta: it could be ice* branded ;)
[19:38] <asac> (not that i am encouraging that kind of move to resolve such thins)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> we should really use something other than ice
[19:38] <asac> but i expect that nobody would do that buntil its much more popular
[19:38] <asac> ok so mozillateam jaunty roadmap has a bunch of
[19:39] <asac> NEWPACKAGES: fennec firefox-3.1/-qt, instantbird, seamonkey-2.0 songbird, thunderbird-3.0 xul-explorer, xulrunner-1.9.1
[19:39] <fta> asac, maybe (ice*). we could ask jcastro's help to be a mediator
[19:39] <asac> i also think we have to redo enigmail
[19:39] <asac> that will kill us at some point ;)
[19:39] <asac> fta: for flock? maybe
[19:40] <fta> yep, flock
[19:40] <gnomefreak> enigmail has to be fixed if we ship tbird-3.0* in any archive
[19:40] <asac> fta: we could ask ncommandor to maintain a ice-fork in debian for now and we sync from there ;)
[19:40] <asac> ice-lock ;)
[19:40] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. enigmail needs to be updated
[19:40] <fta> not sure about songbird, there's an eula and now the license in bugzilla for patches
[19:41] <Volans-> Hi all, just arrived to home
[19:41] <gnomefreak> hi Volans-
[19:41] <asac> i Volans- !
[19:41] <asac> fta: ok so
[19:41] <fta> hi Volans-
[19:41] <asac> [ACTION] decide on the fate of songbird in ubuntu
[19:41] <fta> ok
[19:42] <fta> they are close to 1.0 now
[19:42] <gnomefreak> do we really want to use ice*?
[19:42] <gnomefreak> i would rather ship songbird than another browser
[19:42] <asac> gnomefreak: thats just an example. if we maintain stuff in debian through ncommander that might make sense. but if we go ubuntu alone we shouldnt use that
[19:42] <fta> gnomefreak, not for songbird, but for flock, maybe
[19:43] <asac> so anything else important in jaunty?
[19:43] <asac> personally i think we should aggressively forward patches
[19:43] <asac> and also more aggressively forward bug
[19:43] <asac> s
[19:43] <fta> to where?
[19:43] <asac> [reed] asked us to do that multiple times i think .... but well.
[19:44] <asac> fta: to bugzilla ,)
[19:44] <fta> to moz, i agree
[19:44] <fta> most of the patches pending are yours
[19:45] <asac> true
[19:45] <asac> gnomefreak: would you be willing to subscribe to the bugs that i forward and remind me to follow up there when there are questions?
[19:45] <asac> :)
[19:46] <gnomefreak> yeah i should already be subscribed arnt i?
[19:46] <asac> gnomefreak: in bugzilla?
[19:46] <gnomefreak> on no im not there
[19:46] <asac> gnomefreak: do you have an account there?
[19:46] <gnomefreak> asac: can you work up a list?
[19:46] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[19:46] <asac> gnomefreak: i think you should be able to watch me there
[19:47] <asac> in preferences ... you could then follow conversations that i am involved in and such ;)
[19:47] <asac> gnomefreak: ok cool
[19:47] <gnomefreak> ill look
[19:47] <asac> [ACTION] asac to forward every patch that isnt really ubuntu specific
[19:47] <asac> [ACTION] asac to talk with bdmurray about forwarding ubuntu bugs again
[19:48] <fta> what should we do about the qt port in 3.1?
[19:48] <fta> i proposed something weeks ago in the wiki
[19:48] <asac> fta: does it work?
[19:49] <fta> it did, but i'm not a kde user, so i lost track
[19:49] <asac> fta: where is taht wiki thing?
[19:49] <fta> i was talking about convergence in one package
[19:49] <asac> Volans-: still there? next item would be about extension sync stuff ;) (just when you are about to bail out  because of boredom ;))
[19:49] <fta> asac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QT
[19:50] <Volans-> I'm there and sorry for being inactive in the last weeks, I have started a now job and unfortunately I'm really busy
[19:50] <Volans-> (and in the last 2 days I'm trying to reboot my laptop after the intrepid upgrade, with the new kernel it wan't boot ;))
[19:50] <asac> Volans-: no problem :) i the meeting item isjust  about reviewing state ;
[19:51]  * gnomefreak broke all kinds of crap testing update-mamager
[19:51] <gnomefreak> im not seeing a way to follow you
[19:51] <asac> fta: why are the icons and stuff in -gtk?
[19:51] <asac> don't we need a -common ... or -chrome package?
[19:52] <asac> and why does gtk need a filepicker, but qt not?
[19:52] <asac> does gtk actually need that still?
[19:52] <fta> maybe a bug upstream
[19:52] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit
[19:53] <asac> fta: ok
[19:53] <fta> asac, it sure needs more work. it was just a one time experiment
[19:54] <asac> fta: i think thats a reasonable approach. only thing i dont see is: why do we need two firefox packages?
[19:54] <asac> imo one should work just fine
[19:54] <asac> otherwise we need to file bugs upstream for sure
[19:54] <fta> asac, maybe.. but depends need tweaks then
[19:54] <asac> fta: do you have a xul branch that builds those packages somewhere?
[19:54] <asac> fta: thats ok
[19:55] <fta> i do have branches somewhere, if not on lp
[19:55] <asac> fta: even though it most likely would just depend on xulrunner-1.9.1 ...
[19:56] <fta> configure is evil and wants everything in ff, even with lib-xulsdk
[19:56] <asac> [ACTION] get qt/gtk split done on experimental 1.9.1 branches
[19:56] <asac> [ACTION] investigate how firefox can be built in gtk/qt independent fashion
[19:57] <asac> anything else for initial jaunty discussion?
[19:57] <asac> ok lets move on
[19:57] <fta> the <video> tag
[19:58] <asac> ok rewind
[19:58] <asac> fta: whats up with video tag=?
[19:58] <asac> isn't that officially supported upstrewam? if thats the case i dont see how we can not support it ;)
[19:58] <fta> i feel worried about even more pulseaudio troubles
[19:58] <fta> yes, it is on by default upstream
[19:58] <asac> fta: isnt pulseaudio ok as long as alsa isnt used to speak to it?
[19:59] <fta> for me, it comes and goes
[19:59] <fta> it's broken at the moment, while upstream said pulseaudio is now supported
[20:00] <asac> ok. anyway. i think our goal should be to have that enabled. if its possible to put that in a separate component we
[20:00] <asac> might be able to make a separate package out of it, which users can uninstall if they experience too much troubles
[20:01] <asac> ok next topic :)
[20:01] <asac> [TOPIC] Review of Auto Extension Scripts
[20:01] <asac> Volans-: ^^ :)
[20:01] <Volans-> asac:  :)
[20:01] <asac> Volans-: basically why i am so happy that you are here is:
[20:01] <asac> you can tell us what currently works and what not ... we can then see what the next steps are
[20:01] <asac> whether you can do them isnt that important then i hope
[20:01] <asac> Volans-: could you post the links of the current scripts?
[20:02] <fta> a page in the wiki would be nice
[20:02] <asac> yeah. in worst case these meeting minutes would have the minimum
[20:02] <fta> i have lost track of this :(
[20:02] <asac> lets put the bar low for now ;)
[20:02] <Volans-> sure, let me find it out, I'm not on my laptop as I have say above
[20:02] <asac> fta: right. thats why i want to look now so we are all on top again ;)
[20:03] <asac> gnomefreak: you too ;)
[20:03] <Volans-> https://code.launchpad.net/~volans/firefox-extensions/med-auto-scripts
[20:03] <Volans-> here I have uploaded some scripts, but maybe in my laptop there is some more newer versione not pushed yet
[20:03] <asac> ok so if i remember correctly Volans- implemented a bunch of low level operations
[20:03] <asac> that we could orchestrate in a higher level script (like a cron script)
[20:04] <Volans-> exacltly asac , if you want I can explain a little them
[20:04] <asac> yes ... maybe lets go script by script ;)
[20:04] <asac> i think everything starts with mirror-xpi.sh
[20:05] <Volans-> sure! all of it have a comment at the begin that explain a little what are the parameter and what the script do
[20:05] <Volans-> the only one that is not "low level" is the master-example.sh
[20:06] <asac> whats that supposed to do?
[20:06] <Volans-> that is the script I have used to test all the other script in sequence
[20:06] <asac> i think nthats the only script i havent heard of before ,)
[20:06] <asac> ok is that the order those are supposed to run?
[20:06] <asac> or just some random test order?
[20:06] <Volans-> the logical order
[20:06] <Volans-> a sort of a simple higher level script
[20:07] <Volans-> just for testing purposes at the moment
[20:07] <asac> it uses a ext.list file
[20:07] <asac> is there an example file for that?
[20:07] <asac> e.g AMO_BRANCHES_FILE="ext.list"
[20:08] <Volans-> is explained in the initial comment:
[20:08] <Volans-> # The AMO_BRANCHES_FILE should contain a list of addons to be 16
[20:08] <Volans-> # processed and must have this syntax:
[20:08] <Volans-> # BRANCH_NAME AMO_ID [SOURCE_PACKAGE_NAME]
[20:08] <asac> ok
[20:09] <asac> so i see it goes and then mirrors all xpis from the ftp i guess
[20:09] <Volans-> is just a list
[20:09]  * gnomefreak came back at wrong time
[20:09] <asac> then it branches the branches and gets the rdf version
[20:09] <asac> from the current branch
[20:09] <asac> and afterthat gets a sorted list of extensions that need to be imported now
[20:09] <asac> right?
[20:09] <Volans-> right
[20:10] <Volans-> there was the question of how to get the rdf version
[20:10] <asac> ok ... from there it should be quite simple. for each version use med-xpi-unpack to unpack it in the .usptream branch
[20:10] <asac> and commit that
[20:10] <asac> with the version gathered from the unpackaged xpi using the et-install-rdf-version.sh
[20:10] <asac> script
[20:12] <Volans-> asac: for a more in-depth description see my 2 emails (Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:13 AM and  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:42 AM)
[20:12] <asac> Volans-: did those go to mailing list too?
[20:12] <gnomefreak> to/from where?
[20:12] <gnomefreak> i never saw them
[20:13] <fta> use the wiki
[20:13] <Volans-> no, there was directly to you because in that days I have talked to you in channell and sent to you some test results
[20:13] <asac> fta: well wiki alone doesnt attract attention
[20:13] <asac> Volans-: ah ok
[20:13] <Volans-> that where only preliminary in my mind :)
[20:13] <asac> Volans-: VERSION=`bash get-install-rdf-version.sh ${BRANCHES_DIR}/${AMO_ID}/${AMO_BRANCHES[${AMO_ID}]}.ubuntu 2>> ${LOG_FILE}`
[20:13] <asac> shouldnt that check the version on the .upstream branch?
[20:13] <asac> and not .ubuntu?
[20:14] <asac> i mean we only want versions that are higher than what is alread imported in .upstream i guess
[20:14] <Volans-> sure, was for testing purposes only because most of the extension doesn't have the .ubuntu braches
[20:14] <asac> Volans-: you mean .upstream branch ;)
[20:15] <Volans-> sorry, .upstream
[20:15] <asac> ok right
[20:15] <Volans-> but many have the .ubuntu
[20:15] <asac> someone should take care that we have .upstream for all extensions that use med-xpi format
[20:15] <Volans-> exactly!
[20:15] <asac> [ACTION] ensure that all extensions have upstreawm branch
[20:16] <asac> [ACTION] asac or Volans to finish master example script to actually import things to .upstream branches
[20:16] <gnomefreak> all extensions should have both anyway
[20:16] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. but those that have med-xpi format can be supported by the auto importer for now
[20:16] <asac> gnomefreak: so they are more important in this regards
[20:16] <gnomefreak> :(
[20:16] <asac> gnomefreak: :( ?
[20:16] <gnomefreak> that means all but firgpg in my batch
[20:17] <asac> gnomefreak: haha ... well. thats good
[20:17] <asac> everything that can be auto imported will have less work in the future
[20:17] <asac> ok
[20:17] <gnomefreak> not really since firegpg is the biggest thorjn
[20:17] <gnomefreak> works for me lets se how it plays out
[20:17] <asac> i think thats it for that topic
[20:17] <asac> thanks to Volans- for his work so far ;)
[20:18] <Volans-> I want just to explain a point in the get-new-imports.sh
[20:18] <gnomefreak> Volans-: thanks ;)
[20:18] <Volans-> for the newer version in the ftp xpi
[20:18] <asac> Volans-: sure. go ahead
[20:18] <Volans-> because there are so many versioning syntax I have tried some solution and the best and quick one that I have choosed is
[20:19] <asac> Volans-: couldnt we write a proper version comparison?
[20:19] <asac> i mean the exact implementation for the upstream version scheme?
[20:19] <Volans-> i mean for the extension version
[20:19] <Volans-> every extension use a different schema
[20:19] <Volans-> as I have see in the tests
[20:19] <asac> Volans-: well ... but the order is still defined
[20:19] <asac> Volans-: everything uses the mozilla versioning scheme
[20:20] <asac> if they dont thats a big bug
[20:20] <Volans-> sure, but not always numerical or alphabetical order ;9
[20:20] <asac> Volans-: right. thats why i wondered if we couldnt come up with a real compare function for that
[20:20] <Volans-> some have changed in the time the versioning or splitted the TB and FF version or so
[20:20] <asac> most likely there is perl snippet somewhere or a cpp snippet ;)
[20:21] <asac> Volans-: ok. so what did you do about it for now?
[20:21] <Volans-> asac: you have talked about to use the FF versioning tool that recognize the extensions in the addon manager
[20:21] <Volans-> at the moment I bring the actual ubuntu .ubuntu (.upstream in future) version
[20:21] <Volans-> search in the mirrored fto
[20:21] <Volans-> *ftp
[20:22] <Volans-> for the same version, search for the datetime of the last modified file
[20:22] <asac> i really find that scary
[20:22] <Volans-> and compare it in the other xpi
[20:22] <asac> i mean when the ftp server chokes everything will fall apart
[20:22] <asac> e.g. if someone touches recursively or just uses cp -r next time things get reorganized
[20:22] <Volans-> no I search inside the XPI and not the datetime of the xpi
[20:22] <asac> hmm
[20:23] <asac> interesting approach
[20:23] <Volans-> LAST_MODIFIED=`zipinfo -T ${XPI_FILE} | sort -nr -k 7 | head -n 1 | sed s/' \+'/' '/g | cut -d " " -f7 | sed s/'\.'/''/`
[20:23] <Volans-> this is the line
[20:23] <asac> ok i think we can start that way for now
[20:23] <asac> but we should definitly try to keep this done in an abstraction layer
[20:23] <Volans-> line 116 of get-new-imports.sh
[20:23] <Volans-> sure!
[20:23] <asac> Volans-: e.g. we should put that code in a compare_xpi_version that spits out -1 0 1
[20:23] <asac> or something
[20:24] <asac> is that done in a function?
[20:24] <asac> that should be good enough
[20:24] <Volans-> with my tests this approach remove some false positive that I have found with other approcheas
[20:24] <Volans-> but surely a real comparison function should be better ;)
[20:24] <asac> Volans-: hmm. i think we should really move that somehow in a more higher level function called compare_xpi_trees
[20:24] <asac> to allow us to change that in future wihtout much refactoring
[20:25] <asac> [ACTION] refactor get-new-imports to contain a better abstraction for comparing xpi tree versions
[20:25]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[20:26] <asac> ok together with the other actions this should be a good next step ;)
[20:26] <asac> anyone still awake?
[20:26] <asac> fta: ?
[20:26] <Volans-> actual the get-new-imports search in the mirrored directory for all the xpi with a version newer than the actual ubuntu one and return the filename of the newer ones iirc
[20:26] <asac> ;)
[20:27] <fta> er..
[20:27] <asac> Volans-: yeah. but if we make an abstract function compare_xpi_tree_version <xpi-tree1> <xpi-tree2> ... that should work, shhouldnt it?
[20:27] <Volans-> what do you mean with xpi-tree?
[20:27] <asac> Volans-: well either .xpi or unpackaged xpi
[20:28] <Volans-> ok
[20:28] <Volans-> atm I never extract all the xpi, I use zipgrep and zipinfo
[20:28] <asac> fta: we can move the last agenda item to #ubuntu-mozillatem at later time i guess ("security support for universe stuff")
[20:29] <fta> ok
[20:29] <Volans-> and check for both syntax version: <em:version>.*</em:version> AND em:version=\".*\"
[20:29] <asac> Volans-: well, whatever
[20:29] <asac> sure
[20:30] <asac> Volans-: but since you dont use version here, you need more than the version for that function ;)
[20:30] <fta> Volans-, you'd be surprised, it's often multiline, or using variables, or include files, etc..
[20:31] <Volans-> multine I know when is declared also in the language blocks in the rdf files... for the inclusion, no I never see that case :)
[20:32] <Volans-> *multiline
[20:32] <fta> asac, 1h30 already
[20:32] <asac> yeh
[20:32] <asac> ok
[20:32] <asac> so any other business?
[20:33] <fta> i'm done
[20:33] <Volans-> not for me
[20:33] <asac> ok then lets finish ;)
[20:33] <asac> was long enough for the short agenda ;)
[20:34] <fta> yeah
[20:34]  * gnomefreak goes to figure out what is going wrong
[20:35] <asac> thanks!


[11:07] <biapy> Hi, does somebody have knowledge on how to use Xspice in a multiseat setup  à la Xvnc ? i'm stuck on how to connect xspice to a socket


[00:54] <JesusMcCloud-lt> i would need a quick fix: i nominated a bug for a series, how do i undo this?
[09:36] <dholbach> hiya
[09:37] <dholbach> could it be that https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html is a bit out of date? findPerson only has ws.op, created_after, created_before, text as arguments - the help text lists exclude_inactive_accounts, must_have_email too
[10:06] <dholbach> ok, seems like these arguments are not supported (any more?)
[10:25] <maxb> dholbach: A guess: Sometimes the help text refers to things in the python api which are not exported in the web service api
[10:26] <dholbach> maxb, aha
[14:31] <mvo> leonardr: hey, a quick question about launchpadlib, I see that there is gnome-keyring integration now (nice!) - is there a way for me to interact with it so that I open a embedded webkit instead of launching the users browser
[14:44] <leonardr> mvo: yes, but hold off a bit until i get the interface ready. you will be writing a RequestTokenAuthorizationEngine
[14:45] <mvo> leonardr: ok, cool. is there a bugreport to follow or a branch or somehing (so that I know when I can start hacking on this)? or a rought timeline? (no rush, just curious)
[14:46] <leonardr> mvo: https://code.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/retry-on-invalid-token/+merge/43784
[14:47] <mvo> cool, thanks
[14:47] <leonardr> it would be nice if you worked with doctormo to come up with a shared authorization engine rather than each writing your own
[14:49] <mvo> indeed, that sounds good. I have little interest in writing another one (I had to throw away my first one already ;), so I will be more than happy to join forces with doctormo (or just nick his code)
[15:39] <bigjools> deryck: are you CHR today?
[15:39] <deryck> bigjools: ah, crap.  I am.  I completely forgot.
[15:39] <deryck> bigjools: thanks for the reminder.
[15:42] <deryck> does CHR entail more than watching IRC now that we're the one great Launchpad project?
[15:43] <bigjools> deryck: np, thought you might have forgotten :)
[15:43] <deryck> bigjools: indeed, I did.  Does it involved more than watching IRC now that we've combined projects?  do you know?
[15:44] <bigjools> deryck: good question.  I think we still need to triage bugs and field questions at least
[15:44] <deryck> bigjools: ah, so I need to triage the incoming to Launchpad?  I think some might be hard for me to assess.  I can guess. ;)
[16:07] <mtaylor> I've been told this before - but how do I go about getting a UDD alias to point to my packaging branch?
[16:07] <mtaylor> do I now just file a bug on launchpad?
[16:07] <deryck> mtaylor: I think a question against launchpad is the right way to go.
[16:07] <mtaylor> deryck: thanks!
[16:07] <deryck> np!
[21:02] <RenatoSilva> what's the opposite of backport?
[21:02] <peterbrett> forwardport?
[21:02] <RenatoSilva> peterbrett: is this term actually used?
[21:03] <peterbrett> No idea, but it seems logical :-D
[21:03] <peterbrett> And if you say it people will know what you mean :)
[21:06] <RenatoSilva> peterbrett: I have a release and its updated dev version, I'm writing a patch for both, with a release-patching branch and a repo-patching branch. I write the patch in the released branch, which just accumulates my changes since the release. For the repo-patching branch, I just do merges from both upstream and release-patching branch. I find this the best possible workflow
[21:06] <peterbrett> Sure.
[21:07] <RenatoSilva> peterbrett: you may ask why not patch only the dev version? because it's a plugin and I'm using it and the dev version may become unstable/imcompatible with the app version I'm using
[21:59] <ScottK> Is LP down (or maybe just the web interface for soyuz?
[22:00] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/builders is currently unreachable for me.
[22:01] <bigjools> wfm
[22:01] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Thanks.
[22:02] <bigjools> yes, the farm is busy :)
[22:04] <ScottK> bigjools: The powerpc builder that gets listed first on that page (I don't recall the name and since I can't load the page I can't tell you) has been stuck for ~7hours.  If you could askh lamont or someone else with the power to take it out back and shoot it in the head, that would probably help with our builder backplog on power.
[22:05] <bigjools> ScottK: s
[22:05] <bigjools> ScottK: adare?
[22:05] <ScottK> Dunno, can't see the list.  It's the build that's not linux.
[22:05] <StevenK> Yes, adare
[22:05] <lamont> ScottK: I'm gonna stab that whole box in the face
[22:05] <bigjools> yeah it looks sick
[22:05] <lamont> adare
[22:06] <ScottK> lamont: How'd the maverick kernel work out on the other box?
[22:07] <ScottK> Back now, BTW.
[22:07] <lamont> so far so good it appears
[22:08] <ScottK> Cool.
[22:12] <lamont> adare rebooting now
[22:14] <lamont> ScottK: lets see how that kernel does.
[22:14] <lamont> and then ross will get upgraded next week, I expect
[22:15] <ScottK> Unfortunately the next build was private so you'll have to be the one to know how it goes.
[22:31] <ScottK> Looks like it's done in any case.


[00:16] <bobo123> no worry, I will try the ppa:ferramroberto/vlc repository mentioned at http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/install-vlc-114-in-ubuntu-via-new-ppa.html
[01:10] <yax51> anyone know how to get a mic working?
[01:12] <AndrewMC> yax51: go to System> Sound> Input and select anything there until you see the level meter move when you talk into it
[01:13] <yax51> ok
[01:14] <yax51> nothing....
[01:18] <seidos> yax51, you might try recording in audacity.  but, i don't know, i haven't got recording to work either.  but, i don't really have a mic except the built in mic on my notebook
[01:20] <yax51> well I'm trying to run skype, but I can't get the internal mic working either...
[01:26] <seidos> yax51, i'm not really sure how the internal mics work.  i assume (er, probably mistakenly) that it is just wired to an input into the sound chip.  what sound chip do you have?
[01:27] <yax51> realtek HD auido
[01:27] <yax51> audio
[01:28] <seidos> yax51, i would point out that when i used audacity i am given like 4 options to select what mic input to use
[01:28] <seidos> is that the HD Intel driver?
[01:28] <seidos> i think we use the same driver
[01:29] <yax51> I think so
[01:31] <seidos> in my lshw it says 82801H HD Audio controller, driver = HD Intel
[01:31] <yax51> how do I check and see if my comp is even detecting a mic?
[01:32] <seidos> yax51, well, try audacity, then see what you get.  i think a mic just works by plugging into an input.  unless the built in mic is a usb mic O_o.  i don't know, i am speculating.
[02:18] <johnny77> hello. are the people that helped me this afternoon still here?
[02:29] <dave_> i am new to ubuntu.  can anyone help with an error when i try to install macbuntu?
[02:29] <dave_> it says i must have root priviliges to be able to install
[04:47] <AbhiJit> hi
[04:47] <AndrewMC> !hi | AbhiJit
[04:47] <ubot2> Factoid 'hi' not found
[04:47] <AbhiJit> AndrewMC, :D
[04:47] <AndrewMC> uhh
[04:48] <AndrewMC> odd that factoid isnt there
[04:48] <AbhiJit> removed!
[04:51] <AndrewMC> ya i just learned that
[04:53] <Mohan_chml> lol AndrewMC
[05:57] <schmavis> my monitor goes to standby after booting. help.
[05:59] <AndrewMC> schmavis: please explain your issue more clearly so peole may be able to provide support
[06:01] <mR0> What app I need to be installed to get VOIP in my comp?
[06:01] <AbhiJit> skype
[06:03] <mR0> AbhiJit: as  I knew, skype is only for skype registered member.  Thnks for ur info...:)
[06:05] <b_> I just installed Pinguy OS <IP_ADDRESS>. Immediately after booting, my monitor goes into standby.
[06:06] <b_> I updated the video card drivers using the live cd, but it did not help.
[06:07] <mR0> I've searched on http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html, but there is no linux client
[06:07] <Mohan_chml> b_: you sure that your CPU is running?
[06:08] <Mohan_chml> when the monitor is in stand-by ?
[06:08] <b_> Yes, I can hear the start up sound
[06:08] <mR0> Mohan_chml: mb the screen resolution
[06:09] <Mohan_chml> mR0: yeah may be
[06:09] <Mohan_chml> b_: you are using Dual boot?
[06:09] <b_> ya
[06:10] <b_> with windows 7
[06:10] <Mohan_chml> can you see the boot screen?
[06:11] <b_> yes. the monitor goes standby after selecting ubuntu in grub
[06:12] <Mohan_chml> get into recovery mode and look for re configuring x-server
[06:12] <Mohan_chml> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  that will do I think
[06:18] <b_> monitor went into standby in recovery mode
[06:19] <Mohan_chml> pedro3005: help b_ in edot xorg screen resolution in Live CD. I will brb
[06:19] <Mohan_chml> breakfast
[06:19] <Mohan_chml> edit*
[07:48] <earthling_> Evince no longer opens PDFs, it says opening for a few seconds and then nothing, how to fix?
[08:06] <earthling_> now its working, there was an update that needed installing, apparently
[08:07] <AbhiJit> :)
[08:08] <earthling_> speaking of updates, will installing all the "recommended updates" slow down my computer?
[08:08] <earthling_> I'm trying to install just the stuff I really need
[08:13] <hobgoblin> earthling_: I've never had a recommended update slow my computer down
[08:15] <earthling_> hobgoblin, ok
[08:19] <earthling_> and what about installing programs from synaptic?
[08:20] <earthling_> there's an amazing amount of programs available :)
[08:20] <earthling_> I'm trying to preserve the nice speed of things I have now
[08:32] <hobgoblin> well I'd not install all of what is available ...
[08:37] <hobgoblin> earthling_: to be honest I'm not really sure what you mean by slowing down if you install something
[08:38] <earthling_> from my experience on a certain other operating system :)
[08:39] <earthling_> its nice and quick after a fresh install then over time, it becomes slow as molasses
[08:40] <hobgoblin> oic - well about the only thing you 'might' find is installing a kde app in gnome or a gnome app in kde etc
[08:40] <hobgoblin> I'd not worry too much - linux is not windows
[08:41] <earthling_> I'm using gnome, but I'd like to try kde and xfce
[08:41] <hobgoblin> and you can say the name here - we don't bite :)
[08:41] <earthling_> hehe ok
[08:41] <hobgoblin> earthling_: then I suggest looking at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php - left pane at the bottom(ish) Playing around
[08:42] <earthling_> thx
[08:42] <hobgoblin> I've done it - it WILL mean you get a massive menu as each app will be duplicated
[08:43] <hobgoblin> depending on your system - RAM mostly - you might find it more beneficial to install each in a virtrual machine
[08:44] <earthling_> ok, I'll look into that
[08:45] <earthling_> thx,bbl
[10:55] <mxe5> What would be the best app to use to clone my hard drive to make a backup to another hard drive - running gnome 10.4 ? ?
[11:10] <hobgoblin> mxe5: try clonezilla http://www.clonezilla.org/ also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging
[11:11] <LeAstrale> Piskie!?
[11:11] <LeAstrale> hobgoblin, Long time no see :) How are you?
[11:13] <hobgoblin> VIKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[11:13] <hobgoblin> how's things LeAstrale
[11:13] <LeAstrale> <3
[11:14] <LeAstrale> Well things are good :) Join the team channel for some chatting?
[11:14] <hobgoblin> lol - don't go there much - only just rejoined the team :)
[11:14] <LeAstrale> Well :) If I guess correctly we aren't supposed to chat regular in here :)
[11:15] <hobgoblin> this is the help channel - not like it used to be
[14:03] <Fanshawe> Evolution doesn't notify me of alarms. Can anyone tell me how I fix this?
[14:21] <Fanshawe> I guess we're dead today, but I had another question, also. How do I start a program with high priority?
[14:29] <phillw> !nice | Fanshawe
[14:29] <ubot2> Fanshawe: 'Nice' is a property of a process that determines how willing it is to give CPU time to other processes.  A higher value makes it more likely to give away time.  A negative value makes it less likely. Values are from -19 to 19, with 0 being the default.  For more information, type 'man nice' at a terminal.
[14:30] <phillw> is that what you mean?
[14:30] <Fanshawe> Yeah. I'd like to start a specific process with a lower nice value (higher priority).
[14:30] <Fanshawe> My media player stutters, so I figure that might help.
[14:32] <hobgoblin> likely to be nothing to do with it at all I would have thought
[14:33] <Fanshawe> Then what would help?
[14:34] <hobgoblin> what player is it? have you installed all the codecs? what sort of media is it? does it do it all the time?
[14:35] <Fanshawe> I use VLC. Codecs are good as far as I know. They're mp3 files, and the player always stutters for a few seconds at the beginning of each song. A bit of a frustration.
[14:36] <phillw> Fanshawe: I don't know which media player you're using, but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=883660 will give you a bit of information that should apply to them all.
[14:37] <phillw> ahh, vlc - yeah, it's quite good. if you're struggling with cpu time, you may want to give deadbeef a try; it is less resource hungry for playing mp3s
[14:37] <hobgoblin> vlc includes codecs as far as I know - so if you played 2 mp3's there'd be a stutter followed by normal then stutter again ?
[14:38] <Fanshawe> Yeah, it's at the start of each track. I've turned off all album art/tag downloading.
[14:39] <hobgoblin> is it only vlc that gives the issue?
[14:40] <Fanshawe> I'll look into deadbeef, but I do like vlc. I believe it's only vlc doing this, although I can't remember the last media player I had before that.
[14:40] <hobgoblin> lol - I can't remember the last time I used vlc :)
[14:42] <Fanshawe> I'm open to recommendations for other players, but I'd like to try and get this working first
[14:43] <hobgoblin> what does top say when vlc is running? I'd start there - but maybe it is resources.
[14:43] <hobgoblin> which is all getting away from your original query which I've noidea about - never needed to renice something
[14:56] <mR0> Hi all: what app I need to install to get gmail & yahoo on my comp for VOIP?
[15:06] <shredder12> mR0, do you mean audio calling feature of gmail chat?
[15:07] <shredder12> hi Mohan_chml
[15:07] <mR0> shredder12: yes gmail & yahoo
[15:07] <Mohan_chml> Heya shredder12
[15:08] <shredder12> mR0, you can try either empathy or Pidgin IM client.  I don't use VoIP often but I guess they work fine. Empathy is the default messaging client in Lucid btw
[15:09] <mR0> thanks shredder12, I'll try
[15:09] <shredder12> mR0, :)
[15:18] <mR0> shredder12: how to enabling voice call on empathy?
[15:20] <Fanshawe> Just checking back in to say I fixed the VLC stuttering problem.
[15:21] <Fanshawe> It was purely a software problem. Audio output module needs to be changed from autodetect to ALSA.
[15:21] <Fanshawe> thanks for the help all
[15:21] <shredder12> mR0, once you have enabled the account, right click on any icon on the buddy list. You should see the option for audio/video call
[15:24] <mR0> shredder12: yes it is, but audio & video calls is unable. What it tells about?
[15:25] <shredder12> mR0, i haven't use audio calling for a while, let me try it out
[15:26] <mR0> oke shredder12
[15:28] <shredder12> mR0, it works fine on my system. I initiated an audio call, my friend accepted it and it worked fine
[15:30] <mR0> shredder12: or mb my friends doesn't use video & audio calls. Is that posible?
[15:31] <shredder12> mR0, may be, I am not sure. If they have accepted the call, you should the the time counter at the left bottom of the window.
[15:33] <mR0> yes i think so... they doesn't use it I guess
[15:34] <shredder12> i guess so
[17:36] <johnny77> I created a ubuntu netbook usb drive, but for some reason I can't get it to boot off of it. I tried changing my boot order, putting my HDD last, but it still won't boot. any ideas?
[17:36] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: is it 10.10??
[17:37] <johnny77> no, I think the version is 10.04
[17:38] <hobgoblin> what happens exactly - easier for you to tell us than for us to guess ;)
[17:39] <johnny77> I shut down windows. insert my SD card where I installed the Ubuntu netbook usb files. then when I power back on, it boots directly to windows.
[17:40] <Mohan_chml> Heya hobgoblin (:
[17:40] <hobgoblin> johnny77: I'd guess that you have no bootloader installed
[17:40] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[17:41] <johnny77> I thought that is what I was doing when I put the ubuntu on the USb drive.
[17:41] <Mohan_chml> johnny77: try pressing f12 at startup to get boot options listed.
[17:41] <johnny77> When I do that it gives me too options: Network or my hard drive.
[17:42] <johnny77> But in my bios it has 6 boot options: IDE1, IDE0, USB FDD, USB HDD, USB CD Rom, Network.
[17:43] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: I have no clue as I never tried with an SD card
[17:44] <johnny77> when I use the Universal USB installer on the ISO it should create a bootable USB drive, right?
[17:44] <hobgoblin> me neither - but that I think is a red herring
[17:45] <hobgoblin> johnny77: have you actually installed it yet? did the bootable usb run
[17:46] <johnny77> I created the bootable USB drive, but can't get it to boot it.
[17:48] <hobgoblin> oh ok - I understand
[17:48] <hobgoblin> did you use unetbootin?
[17:48] <johnny77> no, what is that?
[17:50] <hobgoblin> how did you create the bootable usb thing then?
[17:51] <hobgoblin> johnny77: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[17:51] <johnny77> on the download instructions on the Ubuntu website give me a link to a "Universal USB Installer" I used that.
[17:53]  * hobgoblin goes to look
[17:54]  * Mohan_chml follows hobgoblin
[17:55] <hobgoblin> johnny77: ok - looks similar to unetbootin - I can only go by the graphics, never having needed to use a usb
[17:56] <hobgoblin> johnny77: can you put the usb into a windows machine and see what files there are on it?
[17:57] <johnny77> yes, windows see the USB drive.
[17:57] <johnny77> I'm now using unetbootin to create the bootable USB drive. Then I try it...
[17:58] <johnny77> I also created a CD with Ubuntu netbook I can see if I can boot from. If all else fails.
[17:59] <hobgoblin> whay did you want to use a usb to do it with if you have a cd?
[18:00] <johnny77> Well, I have a netbook so there are no CD drives. I'm using a USB CD and thought that if the USB drives wouldn't boot the CD may not... Also I was creating it as we were talking.
[18:00] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:01] <johnny77> hope I'm not causing headaches :)
[18:01] <hobgoblin> not anymore than normal :)
[18:01] <johnny77> Got the USB Drive created using unetbootin. Going to reboot, if not work try CD... See you guys again, hopefully from Ubuntu.
[18:02] <hobgoblin> hang on - open the thing up
[18:02] <johnny77> open the usb drive?
[18:02] <hobgoblin> have a look and see what files are on the thing before you try and reboot
[18:02] <hobgoblin> yes
[18:02] <hobgoblin> open it  in whatever filemanager you have
[18:03] <johnny77> it has files on it... they look the same as the other one...
[18:03] <hobgoblin> does it look sort of like http://i.imgur.com/xA5Vz.png
[18:04] <johnny77> yup.
[18:05] <hobgoblin> have a go then I guess
[18:05] <johnny77> ok, thanks
[18:06] <hobgoblin> someone else had best help if it fails - I have no idea with usb boots
[18:08] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[18:09] <Mohan_chml> Hello Silver_Fox_ =]
[18:09] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Mohan_chml , how are you ?
[18:09] <AbhiJit> hey Silver_Fox_ :)
[18:09] <hobgoblin> Silver_Fox_: o/
[18:09] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: doing good and how about you?
[18:10] <Silver_Fox_> Hello AbhiJit .  How are you ?
[18:10] <AbhiJit> Silver_Fox_, sleeping!
[18:10] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you Mohan_chml ,  just recovering after a squash match
[18:10] <AbhiJit> i mean going to sleep!!!! feeling sleepy!
[18:10] <Mohan_chml> Ah!!!
[18:10] <AbhiJit> :)
[18:10] <Mohan_chml> lol AbhiJit :P
[18:10] <AbhiJit> Mohan_chml, :D
[20:51] <harrsonk> Does anyone here know where I can get the old screensaver of an engine?
[20:51] <harrsonk> the devs took it out in ubuntu 9.10
[21:02] <harrsonk> hello?
[21:04] <AndrewMC> !patience | harrsonk
[21:04] <ubot2> harrsonk: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com
[21:41] <stlsaint> harrsonk: honestly the only way i would be able to help you is via google so i would only suggest you head there
[21:58] <johnny77> I need some major help... i tried to install dual boot ubuntu with windows and it screwed up.
[21:59] <johnny77> now i can't get windows or ubuntu... it boots up and says "grub>" in a black dos-like screen
[22:03] <johnny77> I tried to install Ubuntu netbook on a SD card, but while the instalation saw the SD card, the bootloader can not find it.
[22:08] <johnny77> I thought if I could rewrite the bootloader by reinstalling Ubuntu, but installing it on the HD with windows, but it did not give me the option any more.
[22:10] <johnny77> It showed that I had two OS already, one being only 5gb the other is where my windows is installed. I'm thinking that the 5gb is a swap partition. Since I'm dead in the water, any advice would be greating appreciated.
[22:14] <johnny77> be back on it a few minutes..
[22:25] <johnny77> I'm up and around, but leaving chat open and checking on it. If you have any suggestion just let me know. And I'll see them the next time I check. Thank you.
[23:01] <johnny77> I need some major help... i tried to install dual boot ubuntu with windows and it screwed up.
[23:01] <johnny77> now i can't get windows or ubuntu... it boots up and says "grub>" in a black dos-like screen
[23:01] <johnny77> I tried to install Ubuntu netbook on a SD card, but while the instalation saw the SD card, the bootloader can not find it.
[23:01] <johnny77> I thought if I could rewrite the bootloader by reinstalling Ubuntu, but installing it on the HD with windows, but it did not give me the option any more.
[23:01] <johnny77> It showed that I had two OS already, one being only 5gb the other is where my windows is installed. I'm thinking that the 5gb is a swap partition. Since I'm dead in the water, any advice would be greating appreciated.
[23:31] <johnny77> can anyone help me with a messed up dual boot?
[23:51] <johnny77> tried to install a dual boot, but upon booting it falls into grub rescue command line. Can anyone help?


[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[18:09] <dholbach> all right, I need to go
[18:09] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day!
[20:13] <jcastro> mhall119, holy smokes, this build is so much better than the last one
[20:13] <jcastro> my phone actually works!
[20:15] <mhall119> I'm still playing with the new stuff
[20:15] <jcastro> Like the launcher in particular is more responsive
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> o/
[20:42] <popey> hello MrChrisDruif
[20:42] <popey> jcastro: found the swipe in from right, swipe up to kill stuff?
[20:43] <jcastro> whoa
[20:43] <jcastro> man, that is awesome
[20:43] <jcastro> needs to be more discoverable though
[20:45] <popey> its the same as ios and similar to android to be fair
[20:46] <jcastro> oh, I didn't know android did that
[20:46] <jcastro> so does that kill the app or is it some kind of pretend "we'll try to be smarter than you" pseudo kill?
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> o/
[20:59] <mhall119> popey: that's been there since last promotion
[21:06] <popey> jcastro: proper kill
[21:06] <popey> jcastro: pseudo kill is what we do in the background
[21:10] <czajkowski> on a clean install what is the command to install any extras that are not in by default ?
[21:11] <popey> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras vlc mplayer    etc etc
[21:11] <czajkowski> cheers
[21:11] <czajkowski> need to report some bugs first :/
[21:11] <czajkowski> many crashes :(
[23:10] <MrChrisDruif> Argh, I keep getting email notifications about wiki.ubuntu.com pages that get changed, however they aren't in my list of subscriptions.
[23:11] <MrChrisDruif> These are from before we've had a server side change.
[23:12] <MrChrisDruif> Also changes I make on my notifications don't change on wiki.ubuntu.com