[12:15] <genii> premier_  in /etc/default do you have some file like powerd  or similar?
[12:17] <premier__> genii: no
[12:17] <genii> premier_ OK. On some systems there are specific options to be set in a file there but the exact filename I forget. Something like "powerd" or "powernowd"
[12:18] <genii> eg: default modules to load - AC, battery, and so on
[12:20] <_john_> anyone there?
[12:20] <genii> _john_ Yes, we see you :)
[12:20] <_john_> ok ! thanks
[12:21] <_john_> I'm calling for some help in setting my kubuntu to work wireless
[12:22] <_john_> I have purchased a trendnet usb module but it works on ms  drivers
[12:22] <genii> _john_ As far as I know there is not yet support for USB wifi
[12:22] <_john_> I wonder if there are drivers or something that i can do to make it wireless
[12:23] <_john_> is there support for kubuntu 6.10 ?
[12:24] <_john_> everybody is leaving?
[12:24] <genii> _john_ Odds are that there is some chipset in the adapter which a driver has been written for, but not a USB version.
[12:25] <premier__> genii: Is there a simple shell command that will hibernate my computer?
[12:25] <genii> _john_ People come and go constantly here LOL
[12:25] <jontec_> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[12:25] <_john_> oh! ok!
[12:25] <Mightily-Oats> morning all, i have a question im hoping is easy...
[12:25] <genii> premier_ For that I think you will need to install package "hibernate"
[12:26] <premier__> Id like to set it up so my computer will hibernate when its reached battery level critical, so I want my power manager to activate a script that will hiberante it
[12:26] <premier__> okay
[12:26] <_john_> so what is all the stuff on wireless in here for?
[12:26] <_john_> u think it is only for pci card?
[12:26] <premier__> done
[12:27] <Mightily-Oats> ive installed edgy recently with nolapic and noapic..... what am i missing out on by disabling these on a laptop?
[12:27] <premier__> so If I had a shell script and it had one line, "hibernate", it would hibernate my computer?
[12:28] <_john_> hello? If I bought a pci wireless card it would hook on?
[12:28] <premier__> thats strange
[12:28] <genii> _john_ Yes, most of the drivers which work well with any linux are usually PCI based standalone-type cards. Some pcmcia (laptop) cards too
 as a standard user you may have to chmod the hibernate command to allow users to run it (i had to with reboot and poweroff commands)
[12:28] <genii> Soory for lag, had to answer the phone
[12:29] <premier__> okay
[12:29] <_john_> ok then thanks very much for your help roger and out
[12:30] <premier__> Mightily-Oats: I ran the script, and then it showed my a colorful screen, did something, brought me back to my desktop, and said "/bin/echo: write error: Device or resource busy"
[12:30] <Mightily-Oats> umm.. does sudo hibernate work?
[12:30] <premier__> the colorful screen is the sameone I get when I try to access tty1-5.  Theres something wrong with my terminal
[12:30] <premier__> yeah, sudo hibernate was the command
[12:31] <Mightily-Oats> that... ok.. im not 100% on this.. but could that be the gfx card drivers?
[12:31] <premier__> yeah, the ati ones
[12:32] <premier__> I know theres something wrong with them
[12:32] <Mightily-Oats> ok... which ones have you installed?
[12:32] <premier__> wait, how do I find out?
[12:32] <Mightily-Oats> did you install the ati drivers using adept or synaptic?
[12:33] <Mightily-Oats> what model is your card?
[12:33] <premier_> apt-get i think
[12:33] <premier_> ati radeon mobility, um, X1400 i think
[12:33] <premier_> fglrx
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> ok... i have an x1600.. had colourful terminals sometimes when jumping between them... im no expert.. only speaking from what worked for me
[12:34] <premier_> thats my graphics card driver
[12:34] <genii> <-- expecting some visitors, will be afk 5-10 mins
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> edgy right?
[12:34] <premier_> yeah
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> using that guide i got my gfx working properly
[12:35] <Mightily-Oats> although.. to fix all problems i stoped kdm from starting.. so i start at console and type startx for the gui
[12:36] <Mightily-Oats> on that page.. ive done it the ubuntu way (not manually)
[12:36] <Mightily-Oats> and when i first followed the guide i almost missed the bit down the bottom
[12:37] <Hassan2a> tin a me saoule
[12:37] <Mightily-Oats> configuring the driver and finish the installation..
[12:37] <Mightily-Oats> after following that guide.. quake4 and doom3 (and all other gl games work nice :)
[12:39] <jontec_> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[12:39] <Mightily-Oats> so what im thinking is that after the gfx drivers are installed and working the hibernate should too... but i stress that im no expert.. just saying what worked for me
 firewall?
[12:41] <tuna> hey
[12:42] <tuna> for some reason, Adept wont connect to the APT database or something
[12:42] <tuna> i get an error message along those lines every time I open Adept
[12:43] <Mightily-Oats> you running adept or sudo adept?
[12:43] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: not sure if I want to disable kdm... do you think Ill do that?
[12:44] <Mightily-Oats> try without doing that first... on my x1600 it hung once.... and so i stopped it from starting (that and i like looking leet infront of others at my workplace :)
[12:45] <tuna> sudo, methinks
[12:45] <jontec_> Mightily_Oats: no firewall. I don't think the windows one has spawned itself back... I haven't run network setup wizard in ages O_o
[12:45] <Mightily-Oats> to disable it just open a terminal and kdesu kate /etc/X11/default-display manager
[12:45] <tuna> and i've tried sudo apt-get update
[12:45] <tuna> didn't work
[12:45] <Mightily-Oats> and remove the line.. and put the line back in again if you want it to start
 have you been able to connect using sudo apt-get before?
[12:46] <tuna> yes
[12:46] <tuna> but since yesterday, it stopped working :(
 can u ping using ipaddress?
[12:47] <ryantmer> Odd...
[12:47] <genii> tuna I would recommend checking the file /etc/apt/sources.list  if the cdrom entry has no # at the beginning, put one. Then all the other lines which start with "# deb" something... remove the #   ...you need to edit the file as root. Then run the sudo apt-get update
[12:47] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: umm... ping what from where?
[12:47] <ryantmer> When I try to run any programs I have installed, including Thunderbird and Gaim, they don't actually run
[12:47] <tuna> genii: how do i do that?
[12:47] <nihil_sum> This is my first day using Linux, on Kubuntu.  I love it.  It's so much better than Windows.
[12:47] <ryantmer> They just appear in the taskbar with the hourglass symbol for a bit, then disappear
[12:47] <tuna> indeed
[12:47] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I'm on the internet on the computer now... and I can read files from the computer I want to copy to.
[12:48] <genii> tuna Just by chance would you be trying to get to the ca.archive.ubuntu.com   archive?
[12:48] <slow-motion> n8
[12:48] <tuna> i dont know...
[12:48] <tuna> would the ca part stand for california?
[12:48] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I just can't send any files to it... they quit at like 32kb or 512kb, or 256kb, or 1024kb transferred.
[12:49] <genii> tuna No, Canada LOL
[12:49] <tuna> lol
[12:49] <ubuntu_> hi Todd
[12:49] <tuna> ok
 ok if you can read files then ping will work.. skip that bit..
[12:49] <genii> tuna Anyhow I will suppose not.
[12:49] <tuna> genii so how do i edit the file as root?
[12:49] <genii> Anyone remember how to run the kde graphic editor in root? I am always using nano etc but i think tuna will be better with the kde editor
[12:50] <Mightily-Oats> how are you sending files?
[12:50] <Mightily-Oats> kdesu kate
[12:50] <genii> Mightily-Oats Thanks :)
[12:50] <zehsounddude> is it "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"???
[12:50] <genii> tuna OK, so in a konsole, type kdesu kate    thern open up that file  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:50] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I am using Konqueror... smb://<computer_name>/SharedDocs
[12:51] <tuna> ok
[12:51] <ubuntu_> Todd, hello
[12:52] <Mightily-Oats> np.. learnt that on<jontec_>: ok.. do you need to authenticate for that share or are you going in as guest?
[12:52] <genii> tuna The # symbol is used as a comment. So anything after a # will not be used. If the cdrom entry has no # you need to put one, otherwise it will hang up on that before anything else
[12:52] <ubuntu_> Todd, how long have you been using Kubuntu ?
[12:52] <kogber> Any Gnome users in here?  I am writing a Howto and I use KDE - need some Gnome autostart help
[12:52] <genii> tuna Then all other entries which start with # but then have something like deb http    or whatever after need the # removed
[12:53] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: guest, no authentication needed, I'm not getting a prompt to authenticate this time (though on rare occasions I do, but there's not authentication set for the folder... so I can't get in anyway)
 u have smbfs installed?
[12:53] <tuna> genii that doesnt seem to be the problem
[12:53] <blekos> what's the difference b2n karamba& superkaramba?
[12:53] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I'm assuming so?
[12:54] <premier_> genii, Mightily-Oats:  Do you think this will fix my tvtuner problem?
[12:54] <premier_> fixing my graphics drivers, that is?
[12:54] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: nope, just looked up the package, I'll install it...
[12:54] <genii> premier_ I hope so but truthfully doubt it
[12:54] <kogber> i just realized im in the kubuntu #, doh
[12:54] <tuna> genii only things comments have #'s in front of them :(
[12:54] <premier_> hmmm...
 im not sure... i have nat had any experience with tv tuners..
[12:55] <genii> tuna Well, regardless, make sure the file looks like how I said. Cdrom entry WITH a #, all the other ones starting wiith worrd deb NO comment. Then save it
[12:56] <premier_> well, me and genii spent a long night trying to get my tv tuner working, and genii said that there was something wrong with my graphics card driver and that he had hit a brick wall
[12:56] <tuna> genii the problem may be this repo that i've added...
[12:56] <tuna> brb
[12:56] <genii> premier_ I think it's due to the tvcard being on the usb bus frankly
[12:56] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: it just finished its install
[12:56] <premier_> hmmm...
[12:57] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. after smbfs is installed.. open a terminal and run mkdir x to make a directory called x in your home directory, and then run sudo mount -t smbfs //ipaddress.or.name.of.machine/share-name /home/yourusername/x
 oh well.. if it makes the tv card work.. bonus :)
[12:58] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: is x anything I want or acutally 'x'?
[12:58] <Mightily-Oats> either x or a better name :)
[12:58] <Mightily-Oats> i just like mapping stuff to x :)
[12:58] <Mightily-Oats> this command will map your share from the other machine to your home folder/x
[12:59] <ubuntu__> hello everybody
[12:59] <ubuntu__> how are you ?
[12:59] <tuna> genii it didn't work :(
[12:59] <Mightily-Oats> although.. i do recommend smb4k (nice app for browsing networks... its the envy of everyone at work.. cause theres no windows equivalent ;)
[12:59] <genii> tuna You said you recently added a repository. What was the url?
[01:00] <tuna> genii i don't know, i deleted it hoping that that would fix it.
[01:00] <Hassan2a_> unswerr me :d
[01:00] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I don't understand? wait so I'll put stuff in folder x and it will automatically be transferred to the other computer? and it is name of the other machine?
[01:00] <n8k99> ryantmer: it should be in your kmenu, under internet
[01:00] <genii> tuna OK. Did you run    sudo apt-get update    after that?
[01:01] <tuna> yes. that's how i found out that it didn't work.
[01:01] <tuna> genii want me to pastebin the results to you?
[01:01] <genii> tuna Good. I thought perhaps you may have tried adept first or so :)
[01:01] <Mightily-Oats> ummm.. no.. what the command is doing is mapping the other machines share as a browsable directory on your machine... from my experience its a bit more reliable than the smb://
[01:01] <genii> tuna Yes, pls pastebin the sources.list as well as the errors
[01:02] <genii> tuna I may need to go from the computer for a few minutes soon but don't despair. I am at work
[01:02] <ryantmer> n8k99: It is
[01:02] <tuna> k
[01:02] <ryantmer> But it doesn't actually run
[01:02] <Mightily-Oats> so you can browse it like a cdrom or a usb stick.. the contents of the other machines share appears in that folder.. if you dont like the command line you can install smb4k
[01:02] <n8k99> ryantmer
[01:03] <ryantmer> Yes?
[01:03] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I've been wanting command line for a while... it was limiting... not being able to do that.
[01:03] <n8k99> rynatmer: erg, try mozilla-thunderbird on the command line
[01:03] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: It tells me to install a driver, but apt-get says the driver is already installed... is that okay?
[01:04] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: okay, so what next, try to copy my files?
 what tells you ti install the driver?
[01:04] <ryantmer> n8k99: Nope, same thing. Pauses for a sec, then just goes to new line, but doesn't run it
[01:04] <kai> wasup peoples
 did it map, can u use konqueror and browse the folder?
[01:04] <premier_> the instruction manual you sent me
[01:04] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: yup
[01:05] <kai> ...are there any programmer in here?
[01:05] <premier_> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:05] <jontec_> what language... lol.
[01:05] <n8k99> ryantmer: what happens if you sudo apt-get install thunderbird
 yep.. try and copy
[01:05] <kai> I want to learn a language to do some devel work in linux..anyu suggestions?
[01:05] <genii> kai C or C++
[01:05] <tuna> genii here's the source.list: http://rafb.net/p/J6KMi543.html
 which part are you up to?
[01:05] <genii> tuna OK
[01:06] <kai> or than
[01:06] <jontec_> (I was gonna say ruby... lol.)
[01:06] <kai> what ruby or python
[01:06] <kai> what are some advantages and disadvatages
[01:06] <premier_> I just finished the last part
[01:06] <kai> to ruby and python
[01:06] <ryantmer> n8k99: "Package thunderbird is not available, but it is referred to by another package. This may mean that the packaage is missing, or has been obsoleted or is only available form another source"
[01:07] <premier_> Im gonna restart x and see if it worked
[01:07] <ryantmer> Then "E: Package thunderbird has not installation candidate"
[01:07] <Mightily-Oats> hand on a sec...
[01:07] <Mightily-Oats> hang
[01:07] <tuna> genii: the errors: http://rafb.net/p/RUw8tL90.html
[01:07] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: me?
[01:07] <n8k99> ryantmer do you have all the repos open in your sources.list ?
[01:07] <jontec_> kai: ruby is easy to pick up... and you can use ruby on rails with the language (ruby on rails is web development, very awesome), but if you're making software apps... really full blown ones... I'm thinking that I'll side with genii... I don't know C* to tell you anything about it, same goes for python
[01:07] <Mightily-Oats> yeah
[01:08] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I'm gonna try to copy... I'll probably get disconnected... I'll try with command-line
[01:08] <ryantmer> n8k99: I'm going to say no, because I don't  know what that means O_o
[01:08] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. so the restricted modules are installed... the driver installed.. you sudo depmod -a
[01:08] <n8k99> ah ha!
[01:08] <Mightily-Oats> and that runs ok?
 ok.. could be because it was mounted as root.. try in the terminal sudo cp /file/you/want/to/copy /home/username/x
[01:09] <premier_> well, I havent restarted x
[01:09] <genii> tuna pls repost error url. I cannot scroll back in this command-line irc client
[01:09] <kai> I learning java as predominate
[01:09] <genii> (and no click-to url)
[01:09] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: it all seemed like I had already do everything the instruction manual said
 sudo depmod -a ran
[01:09] <kai> but I wanna do an other language for fun
[01:09] <n8k99> !sources.list
[01:09] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:09] <tuna> genii: http://rafb.net/p/RUw8tL90.html
[01:10] <genii> tuna Thanks
[01:10] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: I did that, it had no output
[01:10] <ryantmer> n8k99: Just type that in the konsole?
[01:10] <jontec_> hmm... I'm still on line... I wonder... if it will work...
[01:10] <tuna> yup
[01:10] <jontec_> online* it's working right now, I think
[01:10] <n8k99> um, no
[01:10] <tuna> genii: this didn't work either: http://rafb.net/p/MXJaj287.html
 ok.. thats good.. then you ran sudo aticonfig --initial with no prob?
[01:10] <n8k99> ryantmer check out !sources.list
[01:10] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: yeah, it said there was nothing to be done
[01:10] <n8k99> grr, nvrmnd
[01:11] <kai> any other suggestions?
[01:11] <genii> tuna Your main issue is that you have somehow inserted Debian repos in with the ubuntu ones.
[01:11] <n8k99> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <tuna> and i need to fix that?
[01:11] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: omg... it's there! that's amazing! gracias!
[01:11] <ryantmer> n8k99: What do I do with it?
[01:11] <genii> tuna Please comment out all the entries which have "debian" in them
[01:11] <n8k99> then remove # from in front of "deb http"
[01:11] <tuna> oh
[01:11] <tuna> i wish the "sudo damn you" command would work because that
[01:11] <premier_> should I try restarting X now?
[01:11] <tuna> is so much easier
[01:11] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: now if I ony had a progress bar instead of that ambiguous floating cursor...
[01:12] <GrahamA> Does Kubuntu come with any software for managing webcams?
[01:12] <Mightily-Oats> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[01:12] <Mightily-Oats>
[01:12] <Mightily-Oats> worked fine?
[01:12] <premier_> yeah
 ok.. if you want the progress bar.. use smb4k.. it will intergrate with kde and use the file transfer box kde uses
[01:13] <premier_> Warning: Option 'VideoOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[01:13] <premier_> Warning: Option 'OpenGLOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[01:13] <Mightily-Oats> oh.. is that the warning u got?
[01:13] <premier_> nothing to worry about?
[01:13] <premier_> yeah, thats the warknig
[01:13] <Mightily-Oats> i was thinking it was more serious.. yeah.. that should be fine :)
[01:13] <genii> I would say not to worry. jut it will take effect next session
[01:13] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. sry <premier_>
[01:13] <genii> ^ premier_
[01:13] <premier_> okay, so can I try it now
[01:14] <Mightily-Oats> yeah... it should work :)
[01:14] <premier_> ^ premier?
[01:14] <Mightily-Oats> although.. reboot.. works better than restarting x
[01:14] <genii> premier_ that means the line above eg: ^ was meant for you
[01:15] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: do I need to mount this everytime that I start Kubuntu?
[01:15] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: and do I need to mount with smb4k next time?
[01:15] <premier_> back
[01:15] <Mightily-Oats> yeah to both
[01:15] <premier_> problem not solved
[01:15] <tuna> genii: i think it worked...
[01:15] <genii> tuna Good :)
 no hibernate still?
[01:16] <premier_> well, the terminals are still "colorful"
[01:16] <premier_> let me try hibernate
 try a reboot
[01:16] <genii> tuna Even though ubuntu is of Debian heritage it is not normally good to mix repositories
[01:16] <tuna> genii: it was a delayed reaction to the oh-so useful "Damn You" command ;)
[01:17] <tuna> genii, thanks for helping me
[01:17] <genii> tuna No problem and have fun :)
[01:18] <premier_> okay, hibernate seems to work now
[01:18] <Mightily-Oats> yay
[01:18] <genii> premier_ It's getting there :)
 and more importantly opengl will work now (games :)
[01:19] <blekos> i have downloaded a theme for kde, i double click on the file with kth extension, and is supposed tobe installed
[01:19] <blekos> where do i find that theme"?
[01:19] <blekos> it's not on menu->settins->style...
[01:19] <genii> I suspect the usb tvcards and the usb wifi cards all have issues relating to having to use the usb subsystem
 have you tried going into kcontrol?
[01:20] <premier_> um, I still have two power managers.  One I shut down last time, but I must restart everytime I reboot.  How do I fix that?
[01:20] <Mightily-Oats> powermanagerd.. u mean the icon ones in the taskbar?
[01:21] <premier_> yeah
[01:21] <Mightily-Oats> both display the same info?
[01:21] <blekos> yes, kcontrol->system settings ->
[01:21] <premier_> pretty much, but one is a better program as far as I can tell
[01:21] <blekos> appearance
[01:21] <premier_> they're different programs
[01:22] <genii> premier_ If it's a kde specific one to remove you could take it out of Autostart dir ... I think some path like ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:22] <Mightily-Oats> ahh.. ok.. umm.. in your .kde folder there is an autostart directory.. theyre probably auto starting
[01:22] <genii> Someone will know exactly I hope
[01:22] <Mightily-Oats> what <genii> said
 yep.. appearance
[01:23] <premier_> theres nothing in ~/.kde/Autostart except a file call ".directory"
[01:24] <genii> Hmm
[01:25] <Mightily-Oats> right click on one of them )the one you dont want) and click quit... there should be an option to quit and never start again
[01:25] <genii> <-- no X on this particular box to check those things
[01:25] <premier_> yeah I dont find a "quit and never start again
[01:26] <Mightily-Oats> i think its quit and do not auto start (sry.. i havent used kde in a while... using e17 atm :)
[01:28] <premier_> no, nothing
[01:28] <premier_> what is e17 atm?  never heard of it
[01:28] <genii> heh just e17
[01:28] <premier_> and what about this Beryl?  I hear its 3D or something
[01:28] <Mightily-Oats> the next version of enlightenment..
[01:28] <n8k99> !enlightenment
[01:28] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[01:28] <premier_> at the momemnt...
[01:29] <genii> Mightily-Oats Using it with an ubuntu core? Just surious
[01:29] <genii> curious rather
[01:29] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. umm.. im not sure where the app would be running from.. but i guess.. if you dont want it you could always un-install it
 using it with kubuntu.. i like konqueror :)
[01:30] <premier_> whats its name?
[01:30] <genii> premier_ I imagine if you hover the cursor on the icon it should say the app name
[01:30] <Mightily-Oats> the power app? should say if you hold the mouse over it
[01:31] <premier_> how do I get apt-get to list all my installed packages?
[01:31] <premier_> Its just called "Power Manager"
[01:31] <premier_> nothing else
[01:31] <Mightily-Oats> so its the default kde one then?
[01:32] <Mightily-Oats> and samba with active directory.. i havent found an easier distro to get it to intergrate with :)
 ^
[01:32] <genii> :)
[01:33] <felipe__> Hello, how can I run konkeror as root?
[01:33] <Mightily-Oats> kdesu konqueror
[01:33] <premier_> hmm.. kde-power-manager?
[01:33] <genii> I would like to see an official Ebuntu dist
[01:33] <Mightily-Oats> that sounds like it
[01:34] <genii> premier_ Likely. There may be some way to set it in System Settings
 apparently thats in the works... i saw something about that the otehr day
[01:34] <genii> Mightily-Oats Cool Cool :)
[01:35] <Mightily-Oats> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[01:35] <premier_> Mightily-Oats, genii: is there anyway to search all my istalled packages?
[01:35] <Mightily-Oats> https://launchpad.net/ebuntu
 i only know using synaptic
[01:36] <genii> I think possibly   apt-get check
[01:38] <genii> premier_  apt-cache --installed
[01:41] <genii> premier_ sorry,    apt-cache pkgnames --installed
[01:41] <premier_> hey, I just unplugged my power cord and its not detecting it
[01:41] <premier_> okay, i think I uninstalled it
[01:42] <phobiac> Okay, I'm having two problems. The first is this. Whenever I start something in the command line, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/595/ or something every simmilar. Everything seems to be working fine, but I wanted to double check that this wasn't a problem.
[01:42] <genii> premier_ What, the apm icon/manager didn't do anything?
[01:42] <premier_> yeah, Its not detecting that I unplugged my power cord
[01:42] <phobiac> I got that starting up firefox, firefox started up fine but yeah.
[01:42] <premier_> yeah
[01:43] <genii> premier_ If you hover on it does it show battery level or anything diff than before?
[01:43] <blekos> is it possible for Konversation to be transparent?
 i get the same error starting apps from the terminal.. havent noticed any probs though
[01:43] <premier_> I think before it said "fully charged" and now It says "98% charge"
 sounds like its working then
[01:44] <Alumin> aplaymidi seems to be unable to play midi files (although it doesn't print an error message)  don't suppose anybody has any suggestions?
[01:44] <genii> premier_ So it's working just no graphical indication
[01:44] <premier_> the program is called kpowersave
[01:44] <premier_> hmm...
[01:44] <Mightily-Oats> you could always install gkrellm and see what its doing
[01:44] <Alumin> XMMS won't add them to the playlist, and Amarok won't even show them in its file browser
[01:44] <premier_> gkrellm?
[01:45] <genii> premier_ That was for phobiac (gkrellm)
[01:45] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: midi support takes quite a bit of work to get going
[01:45] <Mightily-Oats> montioring prog.. monitors all kinds of things, cpu, ram, disk drives, your cat (im sure theres a plugin somewhere)
[01:45] <genii> Or perhaps not LOL
[01:45] <phobiac> genii: It says "command not found"
[01:45] <Mightily-Oats> lol, umm.. gkrellm was for both... :) its a nice prog :)
[01:46] <Sgeo> What are min mem requirements for Kubuntu 6.10?
[01:46] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: would I monitor you cat with somesort of cps (cat positioning system) ?
[01:46] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: would a possible cause of that symptom be not having any patches installed?
[01:46] <phobiac> Hmm, that's interesting.
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> evening all
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> yo genni
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> genii*
[01:46] <freeride> help
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> genii the geek lol
[01:46] <genii> sgeo To install of a livecd a p2 400 with 192Mb ram and 4 Gb hd
[01:46] <freeride> help me
[01:47] <freeride> can anyone help me?
[01:47] <Sgeo> ty
[01:47] <freeride> I want to install yahoo messenger
 lol that would be cool..
[01:47] <freeride> the legit yahoo version
[01:47] <Hassan2a_> freeride:  franais ?
[01:47] <genii> freeride Use Gaim
[01:47] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: No, it's just that MIDI's not setup by default in a (K)Ubuntu install
[01:47] <freeride> not kopete
[01:47] <phobiac> freeride: I've tried, doesn't work out.
[01:47] <freeride> no, none of that stuff
[01:47] <freeride> dang
[01:47] <freeride> did you use the tar.gz file?
[01:47] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: ok...I modprobed the ALSA seq module and I already have aplaymidi (just installed pmidi and playmidi to test)
[01:48] <phobiac> Of course I didn't get really into it and try to figure how to get it to work.
[01:48] <Alumin> anything else I should try
[01:48] <NeoChaosX> i see
[01:48] <freeride> try that
[01:48] <freeride> alumni
[01:48] <Alumin> (...while the "freepats" package is downloading)
[01:48] <phobiac> freeride: I was assuming you meant using the windows version under wine, I've never tried the tar
[01:48] <freeride> if you're looking for something
[01:48] <NeoChaosX> Did you try the steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[01:48] <freeride> no, not the windows version
[01:48] <Alumin> no, thanks for the link
[01:48] <freeride> there is a linux version
[01:48] <GrahamA> Quick question: What software can I use to manage my webcam?
[01:49] <freeride> any install the actuall yahoo linux version of messneger?
[01:49] <phobiac> freeride: I never tried the linu version because it's stripped down. The only reason to bother with it is if you like how it looks better.
[01:49] <genii> I use Gaim as a sort of universal IM manager, works great for Yahoo as well as the other usual suspects (ICQ MSN, IRC and so on)
[01:49] <Mightily-Oats> freeride: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81895
[01:49] <freeride> kopete works pretty well
[01:49] <freeride> I think it even has webcam
[01:49] <snowrichard> hi
[01:49] <freeride> but I want the actual yahoo version
[01:50] <phobiac> freeride: Google is your friend http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[01:50] <freeride> dang, thanks mighty-oats!
[01:50] <NeoChaosX> XMMS needs a plugin to play MIDI and Amarok doesn't support it, period.
[01:50] <freeride> mightily-oats just sent me some info
[01:50] <Mightily-Oats> np..
[01:51] <phobiac> Okay now, second problem. I can't get the java plugin to work in firefox. The command says this whenever I visit a site that has java: VM did not start up properly
[01:51] <phobiac> Could not start JavaVM!
[01:51] <Mightily-Oats> have you installed java?
[01:51] <phobiac> Yes
[01:52] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. did you put the plugin into the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory?
[01:52] <genii> phobiac at command prompt what does command   java -version    show
[01:52] <phobiac> Although I'm not sure if it's working. Asking it for it's version works fine.
[01:52] <phobiac> Oats: Yes
[01:52] <genii> hmm
[01:52] <freeride> hey, mightily-oats, it couldnt find the needed package
[01:52] <freeride> sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.6
[01:52] <phobiac> java version "1.5.0_08"
[01:52] <phobiac> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_08-b03)
[01:52] <phobiac> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_08-b03, mixed mode, sharing)
 ill look..
[01:53] <freeride> thanks
[01:53] <Mightily-Oats> freeride: edgy or dapper?
[01:53] <freeride> dapper :-)
[01:54] <genii> perhaps the file javavm is not set with x bit
[01:55] <phobiac> genii: I have no idea what x bit is.
[01:55] <RealisticDragon> for some reason im getting a better frame rate in WoW with Dapper/KDE than I used to with Gentoo/Fluxbox :)
[01:55] <phobiac> Could you please explain?
[01:55] <RealisticDragon> same hardware
 try libssl0.9.8
[01:56] <freeride> k
[01:56] <genii> phobiac Do you know where the file is exactly? A ls -l <filename>  will show the attributes. eg: rwx  read write eXecute
[01:57] <phobiac> genii: Should I do it on the plugin?
[01:57] <genii> phobiac Yes that is the likely suspect
[01:57] <phobiac> libjavaplugin.so or libjavaplguin_oji.so?
 nice :)
[01:58] <genii> phobiac hmm try libjavaplugin.so
[01:58] <freeride> k, mightily-oats, that worked but now it wont run the very last step
[01:58] <genii> are you sure this is the file that got installed?
[01:59] <freeride> #/usr/bin/ymessenger
[01:59] <phobiac> You want the file permissions?
[01:59] <phobiac> lrwxrwxrwx
[01:59] <paranoid_android> hello, my usplash ... how to explain... it just moved over to the right and down a bit instead of being in the centre of the screen. oddly started doing this when i upgraded to Edgy. any ideas on this? cheers :)
[01:59] <phobiac> Both of them were installed.
[01:59] <freeride> it says no such file
[01:59] <genii> phobiac OK so it is not an executable bit issue
[01:59] <superb0wl> is there a program out there like gnucash that i dont have to install a bunch of gnome crap to use?
[01:59] <phobiac> What's the numbers I would use in a chmod to fix that?
[02:00] <phobiac> Err, what are*
[02:00] <freeride> you still there?
[02:00] <phobiac> 755 right?
[02:00] <genii> phobiac if it *was* an issue to fix the x bit, you would do   sudo chmod +x <filename>
 yep... hang on a sec.. ill try installing it
[02:00] <freeride> thanks man
[02:01] <phobiac> genii: I'll try that
[02:01] <Mightily-Oats> just curious.. what happens when you type ymessenger?
[02:01] <genii> phobiac It is already set to executable, also itis a symbolic link
[02:01] <freeride> can not be found
[02:01] <phobiac> Oh okay
[02:02] <phobiac> Well the other plugins permissions are -rwxr-xr--
[02:02] <genii> phobiac when   ls -l   command, it has an arrow after saying another filename?
[02:02] <phobiac> Yes, should I try checking that other file?
[02:02] <genii> yers
[02:02] <genii> yes, even
[02:02] <freeride> did you get that M-O?
 ok.. i just got a bunch of errors about missing packages when i tried to install it..
[02:03] <phobiac> lrwxrwxrwx
[02:03] <freeride> dang, hmm
[02:03] <phobiac> This is odd, it links to another file. I'll try that.
[02:03] <genii> phobiac l=link   d=directory
[02:03] <freeride> oh yea, it says it needs 9.6
[02:03] <freeride> I got that too, I didnt even notice
[02:04] <freeride> dang
[02:04] <phobiac> genii: So what should I do?
[02:04] <freeride> any way around that?
[02:05] <Mightily-Oats> for the libssl one its just downloading an older version form the looks of things.. prob is.. the xlib one.. the packahe doesnt exist
[02:05] <genii> phobiac the lrwx  and so on are just permissions/attributes. If it is l first, then the true permissions are with the file that link points to
[02:05] <genii> if you have a symlink that points to some other symlink that looks weird
[02:05] <freeride> ahh, so it's a no go then?
 any particular reason for yahoo msgr
[02:05] <BTR_> Hi, i have 2 mice, on touchpad and a usb, is there anyway i can turn of the touchpad when the usb mice is present?
[02:06] <freeride> I just like it and wanted to try the actual linux version rather rthan using kopeat
 not without alot of work i think
[02:06] <phobiac> genii: Any ideas on what I should do?
[02:06] <freeride> hmm, ok, well thanks for your help, at least you tried, thanks man
[02:07] <Mightily-Oats> np.. others here suggested gaim and a few others
[02:07] <genii> phobiac Usually with the java issues it is that whatever got d/l and installed (if not from apt-get) is executable bit and file permissions
[02:07] <genii> eg: who owns the file
[02:07] <freeride> ok, thanks
[02:08] <genii> phobiac Unfortunately I have to go away from the computer right now so can't keep working on this
[02:09] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: thanks for the link, midi is sort of working now
[02:09] <phobiac> genii it seems that everything is exectable, but let me check if I own the file and not root.
[02:09] <phobiac> Okay, thank you for your help.
[02:09] <Alumin> I can't seem to play midi files with anything other than timidity
[02:09] <genii> phobiac Good luck with it
[02:09] <genii> OK all I'll return in maybe 1/2 hr
[02:09] <Alumin> and some of the instruments are missing, but for that I just need a better patch set
[02:09] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: that's good
[02:10] <NeoChaosX> try install KMid
[02:10] <Alumin> yeah, I tried that
[02:10] <NeoChaosX> it's the only KDE midi player I know of
[02:10] <Alumin> it looks like it's playing the files, I can even see the little keys moving on the little graphical pianos
[02:10] <Alumin> but no sound
[02:10] <ryantmer> Is there any way I can edit sources.list? It appears to be read-only or something...
 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7147&page=2
[02:10] <Mightily-Oats> third post from the bottom might help
[02:11] <Mightily-Oats> uninstall the yahoo msngr you have just installed and then follow the post.. see if it works
[02:11] <phobiac> ryant: Use sudo before the command
[02:11] <makuseru> does anyone know if you can use a PSP in linux?
[02:12] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: go to Settings -> MIDI Setup
[02:12] <phobiac> ryant: If you have kate, do sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:12] <makuseru> does anyone know if you can use a PSP in kubuntu?
[02:13] <phobiac> makuseru: PSP? The handheld gaming system?
[02:13] <phobiac> Oh, Paint Shop Pro?
[02:13] <makuseru> sorry
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i finally have a problem.  no screensaver.  regardless of what screensaver i choose, i inevitably get a black screen with a white x11 logo
[02:13] <makuseru> yes, Sony PSP
 http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/linux/2005/09/28/can-i-connnect-my-sony-psp-to-my-linux-system/
[02:14] <Mightily-Oats> other than that i dont know anything about the psp
[02:14] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: I tried all the available midi ports
[02:14] <phobiac> I guess go with what Mightly-Oats said
[02:14] <Alumin> one "standard-looking" one and three timidity ones
[02:15] <phobiac> What can I use to tell what group a user is in?
[02:16] <Alumin> phobiac: id
[02:16] <luis_> alguien sabe como add un usuario
[02:16] <luis_> de windows
[02:16] <phobiac> Thank you
[02:17] <Mightily-Oats> does anyone know what im missing out on by booting my system with the noapic and nolapic options?
[02:17] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: weird
[02:17] <Alumin> I concur
[02:17] <Mightily-Oats> performance/speed/laptop wise?
[02:17] <Alumin> it must be a configuration issue though, since timidity can (mostly) play the files
[02:18] <ryantmer> What do I want to do with sources.list when I have it opened? remove the # in front of deb http or something?
[02:18] <Mightily-Oats> save the list
[02:18] <NamShub> # means the line is commente (ignored)
[02:19] <phobiac> ryant: There's comments in it. Everything with a # in front of it is commented out. ONLY comment out what you'll think you'll need repository wise.
[02:19] <Jucato> commented/disaled/ignored...
[02:19] <Alumin> you mean only _uncomment_ what you need :)
[02:19] <jontec> hey, I need help I just used: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193350. I got to the last step, however ifconfig still does not let me put eth1 (my wireless card) up.
[02:19] <freeride> uninstall the one I installed? I didnt actually install one did I? or did I?
[02:19] <phobiac> Oh oops, yes, comment out.
[02:19] <ryantmer> It already is uncommented O_o
[02:19] <Jucato> only the ones with "deb" or "deb-src" are worth enabling removing the #), but no need to enable them all
[02:19] <freeride> mightily-oats
[02:19] <ryantmer> Except for the lines of text
[02:19] <phobiac> uncomment* Damn said it twice
 it installs it.. even with the dependancy probs
[02:20] <jontec> I should note that that is a dell used in the help, and I have a gateway, I used my drivers for it though
[02:20] <Mightily-Oats> it will sit there as a broken app
[02:20] <freeride> how do I uninstall?
 sudo apt-get install synaptic then sudo synaptic
[02:21] <phobiac> jontec: What model gateway do you have?
[02:21] <Mightily-Oats> synaptic will automagically detect the broken package ask you to remove it
[02:21] <jontec> phobiac: MX6446, I have the card that they talked about, though
[02:21] <freeride> that will UN-install?
 yeah... installing apps to uninstall apps... but its the easiest way.. and synaptics a nice package managment app
[02:22] <phobiac> Hmm, alright. I was wondering if yours was by any chance the same as mine. Wlanassistant worked for me.
[02:24] <Mightily-Oats> im all of a sudden thirsty now.. and craving large doses of caffine
[02:25] <genii> Mightily-Oats Heh! <hugs his coffee tight!>
[02:25] <genii> I live on the stuff
[02:25] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. yeah.. i understand.. although... only thing i want more than coffee is the ability to have caffine on a drip
[02:27] <Mightily-Oats> brb
[02:28] <genii> If anyone here in Toronto and wants some old Sun MicroSystems boxes let me know.  I have it in modprobe... I just need to register it?
[02:33] <genii> They are pretty heavy, I think it would be a bit pricy
[02:34] <Minataku> True
[02:34] <Minataku> I just got an SS10 from Ohio, it was $18.49 to get it here
[02:35] <genii> If you guys want to check up on ship costs I'm in postal code M5G 1M6 in Toronto
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: i think we have a taker
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> got a general weight idea?
[02:35] <genii> I have no scale here but I could pick one up and guesstimate :)
[02:35] <Minataku> An SS10 is about 25lbs
[02:35] <Minataku> XD
[02:35] <ironfroggy> anyone here using OOo and print with with?
[02:36] <genii> That sounds about right
[02:36] <Minataku> What did you have again?
[02:37] <ironfroggy> i cant, for the life of me, figure out how to tell OOo where my cups server is
[02:37] <Mightily-Oats> ahh.. coffee
[02:37] <ironfroggy> anyone have an idea?
[02:37] <genii> Minataku 3 SS5 1 SS10 1 SS2 1 SSIPX
[02:37] <Minataku> Ooooh, so tempting
[02:38] <Minataku> What kind of SS5s?
[02:38] <freeride> mightily-oats: sudo: synaptic: command not found
[02:38] <genii> Minataku Plus keybaords and mice for each, also 1 monitor. Also 6 externam SCSI cases
[02:38] <genii> Minataku The pizza-box type
[02:38] <Minataku> I know that
[02:38] <Mightily-Oats> did you do sudo apt-get install synaptic?
[02:38] <Minataku> I meant what CPU
[02:38] <freeride> yes, that part worked
[02:38] <genii> Minataku I'd have to open one up and look at it
[02:38] <Minataku> I have a SPARCstation 5/170
[02:39] <freeride> wait
[02:39] <Minataku> The TurboSPARC model
[02:39] <freeride> no it didnt
[02:39] <freeride> Reading package lists... Done
[02:39] <freeride> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:39] <freeride> E: Couldn't find package then
[02:39] <genii> Minataku If you wait a few minutes I'll crack one open
[02:39] <Mightily-Oats> ok. try sudo adept
[02:39] <Minataku> Sure, if it's not too much trouble
[02:39] <Minataku> ^^
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> it's going to be expensive :\
[02:40] <jontec> hey, I need help I just used: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193350. I got to the last step, however ifconfig still does not let me put eth1 (my wireless card) up
 sry.. should be sudo adept_manager
[02:40] <freeride> wow, it did a bunch of stuff and then it opened adept
[02:40] <freeride> what do I do? I did sudo adept
[02:40] <freeride> iot'
[02:41] <freeride> it's still going
[02:41] <genii> Minataku The model # help before I open it? 544
[02:41] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. then search for ymessenger
[02:41] <Mightily-Oats> and uninstall it
[02:41] <freeride> how do I search for it?
[02:41] <Minataku> Hm... One the side by the drives
[02:41] <Mightily-Oats> there should be a search box up the top
[02:41] <Minataku> There should be a thing that says "SvCd:"
[02:42] <Minataku> What does that say?
[02:42] <freeride> ohh, in adept you mean
[02:42] <Mightily-Oats> yeah
[02:42] <genii> Minataku S5-70
[02:42] <Minataku> Ah, it's got a 70MHz MicroSPARC
[02:42] <Mightily-Oats> adept is sorta like synaptic...
[02:43] <Minataku> I forgot that was on there until I thought of it when you mentioned the model number XD
[02:43] <Mightily-Oats> so once you have found it right click on the package and click on request removal
[02:43] <Jucato> Dapper: kdesu adept or Edgy: kdesu adept_manager
[02:44] <genii> Minataku Inside.. chip sticker says microSPARC II .. sticker says 70A  All 8 ram slots full 2 HD
[02:44] <Minataku> Oooooooh
[02:44] <Minataku> This is way too good to pass up
 sry.. i didnt know there was a difference between the dapper and edgy one
[02:45] <Minataku> I was gonna buy some HyperSPARC modules but I'll take these instead :D
[02:45] <Mightily-Oats> thnx
[02:45] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: yeah... I didn't know that in the beginning either...
[02:45] <genii> Minataku What, you just want the ram?
[02:45] <freeride> I drink 48 ounces of coffee a day
[02:45] <freeride> lmao
[02:45] <Minataku> No, no, I'd like all of the stuff... lets mode to PM though
[02:45] <genii> Is 2 litres more than 48 ounces?
[02:45] <Lam_> i need a program that can spectrally analyze audio files. any suggestions?
[02:45] <freeride> I dont know
[02:45] <Minataku> So we don't clog up people needing help XD
[02:46] <genii> Minataku I am on a command-line client. Let me boot a gui machine up
[02:46] <Minataku> Okay
[02:46] <heapme> if i put /home/heapme/ on a separate partition when i mount it in linux will i have to mount it like /home/heapme/hepmemnt ? (ie i'll have TWO home directories in a sense)?
[02:46] <freeride> mightily-oats: can I just install ymessenger using adept?
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> no, /home is the mountpoint
[02:46] <Jucato> heapme: nope
[02:47] <blekos> how can i have a program (gdesklets) run when i log on?
[02:47] <Mightily-Oats> unfortunatly no.. i tried that earlier.. hoping for the easy solution
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> (at least, i THINK i understand that right)
[02:47] <freeride> haha, ok
[02:47] <Minataku> heapme: If your home is on a different partition, it depends where your home dir starts on that partition
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> why not just use one of the all-in-one clients?
[02:47] <Minataku> If all your stuff is in the root of that partition
[02:47] <Minataku> Then you'll want to have it mount to /home/username
[02:48] <heapme> Minataku i'm confused
 so is it uninstalled?
[02:48] <ryantmer> Changed the sources.list file... But now when I run the thunderbird command from a shell, it says "(thunderbird-bin:5570): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[02:48] <heapme> i have to have a home directory when i load linux right but if it's on a separate partition and not yet mounted how will it work?
[02:48] <Jucato> heapme: mount it in fstab as /home, not as /home/heapme
 ok.. im now going to try what it says on te forum.. ill let you know how it goes :)
[02:48] <freeride> sweet
[02:49] <freeride> I'm reading it now
[02:49] <Minataku> Yeah, I might not help that much, sorry, listen to Jucato instead
[02:49] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:49] <heapme> Jucato know a howto on this i'm still kinda confused about it
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still fighting to get my 360 controller working...
[02:49] <Jucato> heapme: for example, this is my fstab entry for my /home: UUID=9a1a47e7-42cc-4a8c-9757-fd7316d8af85 /home ext3 nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2
[02:49] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: What's up with it?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't want to work
[02:49] <Minataku> Did you sync both?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a 3rd party controller not explicitly defined in xpad.c
[02:50] <Minataku> Oh
[02:50] <Minataku> I thought you meant with a 360
[02:50] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> oh no
[02:50] <Jucato> heapme: um.. howto? not really, I created and mounted that during installation...
[02:50] <heapme> will it be obvious how to mount it during installation?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> heapme: you'll choose what partition you want as /home, yes
[02:51] <heapme> if i have 4 partitions and one ata harddrive with Windows on the first partition (hda) will linux be hda1, swap hda2 and /home hda3?
[02:53] <MrKimm> Hey all, this may seem like a stupid question, but I'm a KDE newbie... where do I change screen resolution?? I set it to KDE behaviour when I configured... if that makes any difference
[02:53] <Jucato> heapme: Windows will be hda1, linux will be hda2, etc.
 ok.. worked..
[02:53] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: If you're not afraid of code you could add it to xpad.c, though I'd think it would default to         { 0x0000, 0x0000, "Generic X-Box pad", MAP_DPAD_UNKNOWN }
[02:53] <heapme> mrkimm kemu->system settings->display
[02:53] <Minataku> Of course that might be WHY it's not working
[02:53] <freeride> ok, sweet
[02:53] <freeride> can you walk me through it?
[02:53] <heapme> *K Menu not kemu
[02:53] <Jucato> heapme: the first hard drive is hda. the first partition of that first hard drive is hda1
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i added it/
[02:53] <Mightily-Oats> sure... ok..
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> still nothing
 sudo apt-get install alien
[02:54] <freeride> I wish we could pm but I havent registered
[02:54] <MrKimm> heapme, I dont have a "display" menu :S
[02:54] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: That's strange
[02:54] <heapme> Jucato ok so ntfs=hda1, linux=hda2, swap=hda3, /home=hda4, cdrom=hda5?
[02:54] <MrKimm> I'm just running kdecore btw
[02:54] <Jucato> heapme: cdrom would be hdc or hdd, depending on where it is connected
[02:54] <ryantmer> "
[02:54] <ryantmer> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[02:54] <ryantmer> Xlib: No protocol specified
 once alien is installed then sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:54] <heapme> oh yeah
[02:55] <ryantmer> What does the above mean?
[02:55] <heapme> but the reest looks right? /home would be hda5?
[02:55] <Jucato> heapme: are you familiar with hard drive masters and slaves and IDE cables
[02:55] <freeride> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:55] <freeride> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:55] <heapme> yeah, i just read about them, lil new too it though
[02:55] <Mightily-Oats> do u still have adept open?
[02:55] <Jucato> heapme: no. /home would be /hda4
[02:55] <freeride> oh, yes, duh
[02:55] <heapme> i've just never partitioned anythin besides / and swap. never did a /home
[02:55] <heapme> woops meant hda4
[02:55] <heapme> ok cool thanks
[02:55] <Mightily-Oats> u can use that instead of command if u want
[02:56] <Mightily-Oats> for the first part any
[02:56] <Mightily-Oats> way
[02:56] <heapme> though i'm starting to think i dont want /home on its own partition because i dont know how big i want to to be :/
[02:56] <freeride> I'm already doing in in the console
[02:56] <heapme> but i do want it on its own partition so i can reinstall linux without having to worry about restoring the files on it
[02:57] <Jucato> heapme: it's not really that hard. in the partition, leave hda1 alone. setup hda2 to be mounted as /, setup hda3 as a swap partition, and set hda4 to mount to /home
 ok.. so installed alien?
[02:57] <freeride> it's installing
[02:57] <Jucato> "in the partitioner"
[02:57] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. after that sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:57] <freeride> k, it's doing that now
[02:57] <Jucato> heapme: usually, you decide how large you want the / and swap partitions to be, and then dump the rest into /home :)
[02:57] <blekos> how can i have a program (gdesklets) run when i log on?
[02:58] <freeride> what are alien and libgdk-pixbuf2?
[02:58] <Jucato> gdesklets?
[02:58] <heapme> Jucato true, thanks that clears it up for  me :)
[02:58] <blekos> yes pls
[02:58] <blekos> in gnome u chose session and add the relevant program
[02:58] <Jucato> blekos: not really sure using gdesklets on KDE would be the best thing to do...
[02:58] <blekos> how u do it in kde
[02:58] <freeride> mightily-0ats?
[02:58] <Mightily-Oats> alien is a package that converts rpms (one sort of package type used with redhat, mandriva etc) into deb packages (used with ubuntu, debian etc)
[02:58] <blekos> i'm running them already
[02:58] <blekos> np
[02:59] <RealisticDragon> superkaramba might be a better option :)
[02:59] <freeride> oh, sweet
[02:59] <freeride> thats very cool
[02:59] <blekos> superkaramba is not supported anymore :(
[02:59] <freeride> ok, I installled libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:59] <freeride> now waht?
[02:59] <Mightily-Oats> the other one is a graphics library for the program
[02:59] <Jucato> blekos: what do you mean it's not supported?
[02:59] <freeride> ok, whats next
[02:59] <blekos> anyhow, i also want to run firefox on startup
[02:59] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. after that got to http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php and grab the redhat9 version
[03:00] <freeride> k, got it
[03:00] <Jucato> blekos: in Kubuntu/KDE, by default, if you leave something open when you logout, they will be started when you login
[03:00] <freeride> now waht
[03:00] <Jucato> blekos: superkaramba is still very much supported and there are hundreds of superkaramba themes available
[03:00] <Jucato> and I could say that there are more superkaramba themes than gdesklet themes...
[03:01] <Rob-West> night all
[03:01] <freeride> still there?
[03:01] <blekos> "We have no ability to maintain superkaramba.com until Adam's return. "
[03:01] <heapme> Jucato one last question bout that. does /home have to be ext3? say my / partition is ext3. can /home/ be fat32 or reiserfs and still be mountable from linux?
[03:01] <Mightily-Oats> sudo alien -c rh9.ymessenger-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm
[03:01] <blekos> this is from the superkaramba site
[03:01] <Jucato> heapme: must be a Linux filesystem (ext3, xfs, reiser). no fat32
[03:01] <freeride> where do I put the rh9 file so it can find it?
[03:01] <Jucato> blekos: yes, but that doesn't mean it's not supported. we have superkaramba in our repos
[03:01] <blekos> that's true
[03:01] <Mightily-Oats> in your home directory
[03:01] <Jucato> blekos: it's just that no new code is being put into it.
[03:02] <blekos> i c
[03:02] <blekos> i can give it a try
[03:02] <Jucato> blekos: also, Superkaramba might be included by default, in some form or code, in KDE 4
[03:02] <blekos> but gdesklets run fine
[03:02] <Jucato> blekos: anyway, for your original question, KDE Session Management
[03:02] <freeride> so now that I have alien I can install redhat stuff?
[03:03] <Jucato> !alien
[03:03] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:03] <freeride> ymessenger_1.0.4-2_i386.deb generated
[03:03] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. so now that you have alien.. you can convert the package and then install it
[03:03] <Jucato> argh...
[03:03] <freeride> sweet, ymessenger_1.0.4-2_i386.deb generated
[03:03] <Minataku> Ah
[03:03] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: I think I know why
[03:03] <blekos> on session manager i just have the option of restore previous session
[03:03] <Mightily-Oats> sudo dpkg -i ymessenger-1.0.4-i386.deb
[03:03] <Minataku> It's an XBox360 pad, not an XBox1 pad
[03:04] <blekos> i dont want to rely on my of leaving an application running in order to have it again next time
[03:04] <Jucato> blekos: yes. that means that it will restore whatever app was running when you logut
[03:04] <Minataku> The HW is different, I think so the old driver probably lacks support for the new HW
[03:04] <Mightily-Oats> opps.. thats wrong.. sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[03:04] <Minataku> I noticed nothing on the list is a 360 controller
[03:04] <blekos> i'm looking 4 smg more "permanent"
[03:04] <freeride> ok, done! now what :-D
[03:04] <freeride> I'm getting happ
[03:04] <Jucato> blekos: ok. then another option would be to turn that session management off (start form blank session), and link to the themes or apps you want to autostart in ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:04] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. type ymessenger
[03:04] <freeride> *happy
[03:05] <blekos> i c
[03:05] <Jucato> blekos: alternatively, you can install the kcontrol-autostart package, which gives you a GUI interface to put apps you want to autostart (but I think you'd have to use KControl instead of System Settings)
[03:06] <freeride> man! you should write out those steps and post it on kubuntu faq! that was awesome!
[03:06] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. im not that good.. but thnaks
[03:06] <freeride> oh you're good, dont deny it
[03:06] <xenophile7x7> hey guys, im really new to linux. i just installed kubuntu yesterday, so ive got a bunch of questions. first off, the main difference between distrobutions seems to simply be drivers, support, and software package. is this correct? and can you install multiple gui's on one distro, and just select the one you want to use? i want to try a few of them out.
[03:06] <heapme> Jucato do you think i should make /home partition ext3 or reiserfs?
[03:06] <Mightily-Oats> lol. so its all working now :)
[03:06] <freeride> yes! thats freaking awesome! thanks man!
[03:07] <Jucato> freeride: actually... https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/manual-install.html
[03:07] <blekos> Kcontrol is more full than system settins
[03:07] <heapme> Jucato also how do i mount /home in the installer, will it simply ask or do i have to edit fstab in the installer?
[03:07] <blekos> i have to run it through shell though
[03:07] <Mightily-Oats> no worries.... going to have to try ymessenger myself now
[03:07] <blekos> can i add smg in my kmenu?
[03:07] <Jucato> heapme: it will ask you. and I suggest ext3 because it's the default
[03:07] <freeride> haha, sweet
[03:07] <Jucato> freeride: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RPM/AlienHowto
[03:07] <Sir_Penguin> Hi :)
[03:08] <freeride> thanks jucato
[03:08] <Sir_Penguin> I was just wondering what the difference is between the Kubuntu CD and DVD is?
[03:08] <Jucato> blekos: right-click on the K Menu icon and select Edit Menu
[03:08] <Jucato> freeride: sorry, didn't want to take the limelight from Mightily-Oats so I didn't butt in :)
[03:08] <Jucato> he was doing so well :)
[03:08] <freeride> haha, he did a good job, it was easier to follow his instruction than read all that anyway :-)
[03:10] <Jucato> freeride: just take note that it's usually not recommended to install RPM packages on Debian-based systems like Ubuntu, even converted to DEB
[03:10] <freeride> do they cause problems?
[03:11] <Jucato> they might
[03:11] <Jucato> !rpm
[03:11] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:11] <freeride> !botsnack
[03:11] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:11] <freeride> :-d
[03:12] <Jucato> btw, freeride you were trying to instasll yahoo messenger right?
[03:12] <freeride> !jucatosnack
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucatosnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 ok.. the only prob ive found so far with the app is that only the contact list works.. the other tabs down the bottom of the list cause seg faults
[03:12] <freeride> yeah
[03:12] <Jucato> freeride: were you aware that a .deb package for it is available in http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[03:13] <freeride> I think there is a reason that one doesnt work
[03:13] <freeride> either way, this one is working
[03:13] <Jucato> ah
 missing xlib and other dependancies..
[03:13] <Jucato> hmm...
[03:13] <Jucato> let me try
[03:14] <freeride> yeah, you're right mightily-oats
[03:14] <freeride> it crashed
[03:14] <freeride> twice
[03:14] <jontec> I need to setup the eth1 device... I have just setup my card with ndiswrapper
[03:14] <Mightily-Oats> yeah.. i dont know how to fix those features... but the contact list works
[03:15] <freeride> yeah
[03:15] <freeride> jucato is trying to install the deb version right now
[03:16] <Jucato> heh I'm still downloading it...
[03:16] <Jucato> there's a problem with the internet connections in most of Asia...
[03:16] <freeride> still downloading it? it took me half a second and I have less than a megabit connection
[03:17] <freeride> thats the one that doesnt work though, we tried that one first
[03:17] <Minataku> wb, genii
[03:17] <freeride> 1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[03:17] <genii> Minataku :) Thx
[03:17] <freeride> that one wouldnt work for some reason
[03:18] <freeride> thats why kubuntu.com says to use alien
[03:18] <Minataku> np ^^
[03:18] <Jucato> no harm in trying... although the internet connection is really, really fscked up!
[03:19] <Mightily-Oats> lol, brb.. going to rebuild my system
[03:19] <genii> Jucato  fsck! Goodness watch the language! ROFL
[03:19] <Minataku> lol
[03:19] <Jucato> oh shift!  didn't mean that...
[03:22] <heapme> fsck isnt a synomym for the f-word since it has a different meaning, like analyze/fix yourself
[03:22] <genii> heapme LOL I know I'm just messing around with him
[03:23] <Minataku> genii: Oh, give me the CD-ROM drives out of the SS5s, too
[03:23] <heapme> =p
[03:23] <Minataku> My SS5 has the wrong kind of CD-ROM drive XD
[03:23] <genii> Minataku Let me look what they have
[03:23] <Minataku> Sorry, I just remembered that right now... toss in their FDDs, too ^^
[03:23] <Minataku> genii: Sure
[03:24] <Jucato> freeride: was xlibs the only dependency you could not resolve?
[03:24] <genii> Minataku The SS2 has a floppy, no SS5 has a floppy OR a CD
[03:24] <Minataku> Woah
[03:24] <Minataku> Oh well
[03:24] <genii> :(
[03:25] <Minataku> But remember, the SS2 and IPX you're sending whole
[03:25] <Minataku> XD
[03:25] <genii> Yup
[03:25] <Minataku> My SS5's CD-ROM drive works, it just doesn't fit right
[03:25] <Minataku> It's the slimline version for the earlier S5-170 chassis
[03:25] <Minataku> It works, it just has holes XD
[03:25] <excitatory> so i just did a fresh install of edgy on a second machine.. i'm looking at the sources.list and everything is set to dapper?  why might that be?  (keep in mind this is a fresh install on a new machine)
[03:25] <Minataku> Sorry to make you get back up, I just remembered that all of a sudden XD
[03:26] <genii> Minataku Heh np. I just pulled out the IPX to look at, it's kinda cute. No CD in there either, just floppy
[03:26] <Minataku> Yeah, the IPX is a lunchbox chassis
[03:27] <Minataku> I was thinking about taking one and making an actual lunchbox out of it but it's a PIA to open up
[03:27] <Minataku> XD
[03:27] <genii> Yeah seems to have some weird side hinging deal
[03:28] <Minataku> Actually, it hinges in the front
[03:28] <Minataku> It opens up in the back
[03:28] <genii> Ah yes, I see it now :)
[03:28] <genii> pita is right
[03:28] <Minataku> Then the cables for the HDD and FDD hold the halves together
[03:30] <genii> Minataku Model 47B if that means anything
[03:30] <Minataku> Not really but thanks all the same XD
[03:30] <genii> service code 4/50
[03:30] <Minataku> The IPX was standardized, I believe
[03:30] <genii> Interesting
[03:30] <Minataku> Couldn't change anything in it since the CPU was soldered
[03:31] <Minataku> There's a large ceramic chip inside but that's an FPU, if it's populated
[03:31] <genii> Minataku All 3 huge chips look like in some old sockets
[03:31] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. system rebuilt
[03:31] <Minataku> Ooooh
[03:31] <Minataku> It's an old-style IPX
[03:31] <Minataku> I had an IPX that was newer
[03:31] <Minataku> But it was dead so, bleh >.<
[03:32] <genii> Mightily-Oats Successfully it seems :)
[03:32] <Mightily-Oats> lol yeah
[03:32] <Jucato> wb Mightily-Oats
[03:33] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. only took a minute..
[03:33] <Mightily-Oats> ahh.. image files
[03:33] <mcrandello> Hi I was messing around with my settings, wound up nuking the .kde dir and not firefox won't render onscreen. Any suggestions?
[03:33] <mcrandello> s/not/now
[03:34] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: was xlib the only dependency you couldn't resolve earlier
[03:34] <Minataku> Don't forget to close the script, mcrandello ;3
[03:34] <Minataku> XD
[03:34] <mcrandello> it's showing up in the process table using around 142 megs
[03:34] <excitatory>  /j #ubuntu
[03:34] <excitatory> argh
[03:34] <Minataku> Sorry, I realized when I last used sed that you need a / at the end
[03:34] <mcrandello> Minataku: sed was never my stroung point :(
[03:34] <Minataku> mcrandello: Yeah, mine either (it still isn't)
[03:34] <mcrandello> nor spelling for that manner
[03:34] <Minataku> XD
[03:35] <MagicFab> What would be the equivalent of gksudo in KDE ? Is there any ?
[03:35] <mcrandello> or usage or grammar etc ;_;
[03:35] <mcrandello> MagicFab: kdesu
[03:35] <MagicFab> mcrandello, tx
[03:35] <Minataku> Sorry also in that I can't help you with your problem as I don't use KDE >.<
[03:35] <Mightily-Oats> after installing the ymessenger deb i couldnt resolve any (it listed the ymsngr as broken.. so anything after that wouldnt install until it was removed)
[03:36] <Mightily-Oats> i didnt end up playing around with it much... i remember a while back i went through hell trying to find xlib so i could get an e17 filemanager working
[03:36] <mcrandello> I found something in a google search that suggested I turn off having KDE force non KDE apps to use KDE colors but that didn't seem to do it
[03:36] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: dependency problems are mostly resolved by installing the required dependencies :)
[03:36] <Mightily-Oats> yeah... i tried a few of the dependancies
[03:36] <Mightily-Oats> but cause the broken package was already installed it wouldnt install the ones it was missing
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> to install libpixbuf2 i had to remove the broken package
[03:37] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: hm.. simply uninstall ym first, then install the dependencies...
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> yeah.. but there is still the xlib prob..
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> from what i found a while ago
[03:37] <Jucato> yeah. I'm looking into xlib right now
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> i couldnt solve that one
[03:38] <Jucato> seems like it might have been renamed to libx
[03:38] <Mightily-Oats> ahh
[03:38] <Jucato> not really sure though
[03:38] <Mightily-Oats> my expereince with the missing xlib package mainly came from messing around with another app that needed it.. and i spent ages trying to find it
[03:39] <Jucato> ok I'll try something...
[03:39] <Mightily-Oats> cool...
[03:40] <Mightily-Oats> i got a question.. i havent found an answer yet so it must be a pretty odd one... does anyone know what noapic and nolapic do?
[03:40] <mcrandello> sort of
[03:40] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: is that in menu.lst?
[03:41] <mcrandello> I think noapic disables this thing on your computer called the apic from trying to assign irq's at boot
[03:41] <Mightily-Oats> i know it disables apic and lapic... but what are they and what am i missing out on by not having them enabled?
 : yeah
[03:41] <fowlduck> sup gangstas
[03:41] <mcrandello> well, I have to use noapic because it causes an IRQ conflict when I use the ATI proprietary drivers
[03:41] <mcrandello> and that causes the machine to hard lockup
[03:41] <Mightily-Oats> thing is.. ive booted without disabling those 2 and my cpu seems to run cooler than with them
[03:42] <mcrandello> yeah my laptop is a space heater but at least I can use it :)
[03:42] <mcrandello> now that you mention it
 yeah.. i have seen that before
[03:43] <xenophile7x7> hey guys,  i just got installed kubuntu yesterday, and ive got a few questions. first off, the main difference between linux distrobutions seems to simply be drivers, support, and software package. is this correct? and can you install multiple gui's on one distro, and just select the one you want to use? i want to try a few of them out.
[03:43] <mcrandello> it's the radeon 200m express card and later kernels and the ATI drivers and certain cheap laptops made by acer/toshiba
[03:43] <freeride> hey guys, I just scrolled up and read everything I missed
[03:43] <Mightily-Oats> before i just re-imaged my laptop... it was running at about 44 degrees constant... now its up at 54 after 10 minutes.. and im not doing anything different
[03:43] <freeride> how do I give my name a color?
[03:44] <mcrandello> xenophile7x7: sure you could do something like "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop" to try gnome, replace that with xfce, fvwm95, etc
[03:45] <Mightily-Oats> 54 is after the re-imaging... only diffference is this time i have nolapic and noapic in the boot line
[03:45] <mcrandello> xenophile7x7: then when you go to log in after installing them there should be an option to change the envirnment to whatever you've got
[03:45] <snowrichard> hi ------
[03:45] <Mightily-Oats> going to reboot now and disable them... see what happens
[03:46] <xenophile7x7> mcrandell: thanx! i think thats my next step, along with finding alternatives to some of the builtin software.
[03:46] <mcrandello> Mightily-Oats: from what I gather you don't really need those except as troubleshooting measures or if something's broke
[03:46] <freeride> how do I give my name a color so I dont get lost in all the text of the previous message
 ok.. im realy just wondering what im missing out on feature/performance/and now cooling wise
 it depends on what irc client you use i think
[03:47] <freeride> I'm using konversation
[03:47] <Mightily-Oats> umm... im not sure with that one..
[03:48] <freeride> what do you use?
[03:48] <Mightily-Oats> brb.. rebooting
[03:48] <freeride> k
[03:48] <Mightily-Oats> kvirc
[03:48] <freeride> hmm, I see
[03:48] <mcrandello> freeride: go to settings, configure konversation
[03:48] <Jucato> freeride: in Konversation, Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Highlights option -> Highlight own lines
[03:48] <mcrandello> then drill down into interface, colors
[03:48] <freeride> I wonder why he doesnt just use the one that comes with kubuntu
[03:49] <snowrichard> konversation did
[03:49] <freeride> will that highlight the lines for you to see or for me on my screen only?
[03:49] <mcrandello> freeride: only on your screen
[03:49] <Jucato> only in your screen
[03:49] <mcrandello> oh wow now I'm avacado
[03:49] <freeride> I want you guys to see my name in a color so I stand out, can I do that?
[03:50] <freeride> I see all your names in color
[03:50] <Jucato> freeride: that would terribly be annoying
[03:50] <freeride> mine is the only one thats black
[03:50] <freeride> I see all your names in color
[03:50] <mcrandello> if you use someone's nick in your text it may highlight it depending on the client
[03:50] <Jucato> and we don't color our names. the client colors our names
[03:50] <Jucato> freeride: it's in your settings
[03:50] <freeride> oh, I see, ok
[03:50] <freeride> thats cool then
[03:50] <freeride> so did you ever get it to work jucato?
thank god noone implemented a blink tag</blink>
[03:51] <freeride> the ymessenger
[03:51] <Jucato> freeride: nope.. xlibs is a bit problematic. I'll ask what's the equivalent package for it
[03:51] <freeride> wb mightily -oats
[03:52] <mcrandello> so is there an easy way for me to find out why firefox is running but not rendering on my kde screen?
[03:52] <freeride> jucato: ok
[03:52] <Mightily-Oats> back.... its official... having the noapic and nolapic options causes my machine to run 10 degrees hotter... no idea y
[03:52] <freeride> so you're saying that disabling apic and lapic makes your machine run hotter?
[03:53] <yotux> if one wanted to install fiesty to find bugs is there a place explaining how to do it?
[03:53] <freeride> or the other way around?
[03:53] <Mightily-Oats> yeah... odd... no idea why.. either that.. or apic and lapic interfere with the temp monitoring
[03:53] <freeride> yeah, that could be it but who knows
[03:54] <freeride> might have something to do with the way the irq's are handled?
[03:54] <Mightily-Oats> hmm... possible.... going to go google wacking for a bit
[03:56] <freeride> mcrandello: noapic allows you to use the propritary ati drivers? what card do you have?
[03:57] <mcrandello> freeride: the 200m express
[03:57] <mcrandello> without it you could go anywhere from 5min to a half hour until it hard locks everything
[03:58] <freeride> hmm, I have a radion 7500
[03:58] <pynsa> does anybody know a good gui svn client that supports ssh with non-standard ports?
[03:58] <mcrandello> this only appears to affect cheapy laptop owners
[03:58] <freeride> and I upgraded to edgy and the drivers conflicted
[03:58] <freeride> so I reinstalled dapper
[03:58] <freeride> I really dont know what I'm doing yet
[03:58] <freeride> just start learning
[03:59] <freeride> but I'm using generic ati drivers that came with kubuntu
[03:59] <mcrandello> the easiest thing I've found is to apt-get the build-essential(s?) package then download the ones from ATI
[03:59] <mcrandello> and just run it. It seems to work
[04:00] <mcrandello> oh god removing/reinstalling firefox after deleting all the .dirs and it still won't come up
[04:01] <freeride> I got firefox working the other night, I'm pretty proud
[04:01] <freeride> I dont remember if I had help or not
[04:01] <freeride> I dont remember how I did it even
[04:01] <mcrandello> gtk apps are running okay
[04:02] <freeride> what are gtk aps?
[04:02] <mcrandello> apps made with the gtk toolkit
[04:02] <freeride> hmm, whats that?
[04:02] <mcrandello> toolkits are the things like buttons, handles, and interface components of windowed programs
[04:03] <freeride> I'll have to google that
[04:04] <GrahamA> Question, does anybody see anything wrong with this line I have in /etc/fstab? "//server/Files /media/sf0 smbfs rw,user,noauto,uid=root,giud=root 0 0"
[04:04] <makuseru> does kxdocker work well?
[04:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> !xnest
[04:05] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[04:08] <Valmarko> I installed flasplugin-nonfree but I still cant see flash activated in Konqueror. Someone help me?
[04:09] <GrahamA> Tried any other browser?
[04:09] <Valmarko> No. I just want to use Konqueror. I know it works in firefox but i dont want to install it since I have Konqueror
[04:11] <Valmarko> Maybe it doesnt work with flashplugin-nonfree . Maybe with anohter plugin ?
[04:11] <GrahamA> Have you tried getting any other files from the repository?
[04:12] <xeen7_7> hi
[04:12] <Valmarko> Could you give me a sugestion ?
[04:12] <mcrandello> suggestion: don't take any wooden nickels
[04:13] <Valmarko> ?
[04:13] <mcrandello> Let me look I seem to remember getting it working once
[04:13] <GrahamA> One called flashplayer maybe?
[04:13] <mcrandello> and if I can't get firefox running I may be making a switch
[04:14] <GrahamA> That's not right...
[04:14] <GrahamA> I installed the same package as you and I have flash 9 (w00t) on my konquer
[04:14] <Valmarko> I dont have firefox installed. I dont want, since I have Konqueror. The question is: Is there a way to activate flash in Konqueror ?
[04:14] <GrahamA> Yes there is.
[04:15] <Valmarko> Could you help me, please?
[04:16] <xeen7_7> uf now iam interessted how to get flash on konqueror ?
[04:16] <Valmarko> yes
[04:16] <GrahamA> Go to Settings > Configure Konquer > Plugins on the side and where is says netscape plugins select plugins.
[04:17] <mcrandello> do you have the libflashplayer.so installed somewhere already?
[04:17] <GrahamA> What's displayed?
[04:17] <Valmarko> let me see
[04:17] <freeride> how do you get java on firefox?
[04:17] <GrahamA> Java what?
[04:18] <Valmarko> it displays the following:
[04:18] <xeen7_7> Oh java xD today I installed java 5 it was a long story xD
[04:18] <xeen7_7> it is a long story, sorry for my english
[04:19] <Mightily-Oats> ok... now i have found another issue... my hdd sounds like its parking the heads clicks about every 10 seconds
[04:19] <Valmarko> plugin: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:19] <freeride> idk java what. I just ran into something the other night and it didnt work on firefox but it did work in konkeror
[04:19] <Mightily-Oats> it happens occasionally...
[04:20] <Mightily-Oats> sort of just randomly starts clicking like its parking.. only way to fix is turn off and turn back on again.. any ideas?
[04:20] <mcrandello> make sure /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is listed in the konqueror plugins page under "netscape plugins"
[04:20] <Valmarko> it is
[04:20] <Jucato> java on firefox?
[04:21] <Jucato> !sun-java5-plugin | freeride
[04:21] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[04:22] <GrahamA> Have you checked the box that says Enable plugins globally?
[04:22] <mcrandello> arg
[04:22] <Valmarko> no
[04:23] <Valmarko> where is it
[04:23] <Jucato> have you clicked on Scan for new plugins button?
[04:23] <Valmarko> yes
[04:23] <GrahamA> Above the bit you were just looking at.
[04:24] <malik_> guyz how do install weather report thingy?
[04:24] <mcrandello> not showing up on the other tab titled "plugins"?
[04:25] <Valmarko> maybe some conflict?
[04:25] <GrahamA> What other plugins do you have?
[04:25] <Valmarko> on the other tab ?
[04:26] <Valmarko> lets see
[04:26] <genii> Minataku Still here?
[04:26] <Minataku> Yeah
[04:26] <mcrandello> the tab next to the "scan" tab
[04:26] <genii> Minataku I got all of em pretty much stripped now
[04:26] <malik_> guyz how do install weather report thingy?
[04:26] <Minataku> Except the SS2 and SSIPX, right? XD
[04:26] <genii> Yup
[04:26] <Minataku> Heehee (Sorry XD )
[04:26] <Valmarko> Netscape plugins
[04:27] <Minataku> Awesome :3
[04:27] <Bsdler> frn arsch :>
[04:27] <genii> Minataku You want the SCSI wiring harness etc
[04:27] <genii> ?
[04:27] <Minataku> Sure, toss in the SCSI backplanes from the SS5s
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> anyone had any luck getting a sound blaster live USB rig working
[04:27] <mcrandello> malik_: sudo apt-get install kweather?
[04:27] <genii> Minataku OK :)
[04:27] <Valmarko> theres too information regarding mime types
[04:27] <Bsdler> hey gus :> one question
[04:27] <Bsdler> whats the newest kernel ?
[04:27] <Bsdler> ver
[04:27] <Bsdler> s
[04:27] <Bsdler> ?
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> 2.6.19
[04:28] <Minataku> Bsdler: You can check at www.kernel.org
[04:28] <malik_> i have kweather buit its not working properly for my location
[04:28] <Bsdler> and ubuntu is based on ?
[04:28] <malik_> it says some packages or files missing
[04:28] <Minataku> Oh, specifically for Ubuntu
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> Bsdler: feisty is 2.6.19
[04:28] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[04:28] <genii> edgy is 2.6.17-10
[04:28] <Minataku> Debian, which Ubuntu is based on is 2.2.20
[04:28] <Minataku> j/k
[04:29] <Bsdler> h oki :>
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> ok, no howto on setting up a USB sound card with ubuntu
[04:29] <mcrandello> Valmarko: try apt-getting flashplugin-nonfree it showed up on my konqueror after installing that and rescanning
[04:29] <GrahamA> A USB sound card?
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> GrahamA: yep, sb live
[04:30] <mcrandello> I think I had downloaded the plugin from adobe before and manually dropped it into the .mozilla dir
[04:30] <Valmarko> I did it before but I will do it again
[04:30] <Rythan> Linux_Galore: My Feisty has 2.6.20-2
[04:30] <mcrandello> also I figured out my FF problem
[04:30] <Rythan> Well -4 but the nvidia-glx binaries don't work with it
[04:30] <GrahamA> Give it a few more years we wont' need PCI sockets or anything, we'll just have a cube covered in USB ports, you plug in the RAM, CPU, HDD, CDD, GFX card and everything else...
[04:30] <mcrandello> krandrtray decided I had another monitor hooked up somewhere and that's where it was going,
[04:31] <superkirbyartist> I would appreciate any help with my wireless laptop card from D-Link.  I don't see a "Wireless" option in Networking.
[04:31] <genii> Minataku The SS10 .. I have the mb out but it's so pretty I hate to rip out all the chips/dughterboards  etc LOL ... but oh well
[04:31] <Bsdler> Minataku thx.
[04:31] <Minataku> genii: Heehee
[04:32] <Minataku> Yeah, I know, give me the mainboard out of that, too
[04:32] <Minataku> I want to desolder the chips on the mainboard
[04:32] <genii> Minataku So Should I bother disassembling that one?
[04:32] <Minataku> genii: You know what, leave that one whole too, then XD
[04:32] <genii> Minataku OK :)
[04:33] <Minataku> I was thinking that perhaps the case would be really heavy and shave a lot of weight off XD
[04:33] <mcrandello> well one thing I notice is that the flash player seems to work a lot better in konqueror
[04:33] <Minataku> But whole is okay too ^^
[04:33] <Minataku> It'll just cost a bit more XD
[04:33] <genii> Minataku The PS in them seems to be like 95% of the wieght
[04:34] <Minataku> Yeah, it probably is
[04:34] <Minataku> The damn things are all steel XD
[04:35] <genii> Minataku What the hell is a PrestoServe card??
[04:35] <Minataku> I dunno but I want it
[04:35] <Minataku> XD
[04:35] <Minataku> Lemme check Google
[04:36] <genii> Legato systems
[04:36] <Minataku> Ah
[04:36] <Minataku> It's an NFS Accelerator
[04:36] <genii> Interesting
[04:36] <Minataku> Wow, 20s! I love Google :D
[04:36] <Minataku> genii: If you could just tear the PSU out of the SS10 I can dispose of the case myself
[04:37] <Minataku> I do need a replacement nameplate for an SS10, too, actually :o
[04:37] <Minataku> XD
[04:37] <GrahamA> People of the Kubuntu channel! I declare I have a small problem! I'm mounting a shamba share in /etc/fstab and when it mounts it leaves a link on my desktop, how to I get rid of the desktop link?
[04:37] <genii> Minataku I already have the entire thing apart LOL
[04:37] <mcrandello> GrahamA: hang on a sec I was just in where you do that
[04:37] <Minataku> genii: Okay, that's fine too then XD
[04:37] <linx-> does anybody know where to get ktouch lectures (other then the auto generated ones) ?
[04:38] <Minataku> If you could very carefully take the nameplate off XD
[04:38] <mcrandello> GrahamA: right click on the desktop go to "desktop properties"
[04:38] <Minataku> If it's too much trouble don't bother XD
[04:38] <mcrandello> GrahamA: then click on the behavior item on the left, then "device icons" tab
[04:38] <genii> Minataku OK I'll figure out how
[04:38] <GrahamA> You mean configure desktop?
[04:38] <Minataku> Awesome :D
[04:38] <mcrandello> GrahamA: yeah
[04:39] <GrahamA> Thank you good sir, you saved the day!
[04:41] <Minataku> genii: The one I got had this crap on it... I tried to scrape it off and scraped off the paint, too >.<
[04:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> !cubemap
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cubemap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <mcrandello> Valmarko: have you had any luck with the flash plugin?
[04:42] <GrahamA> Ok, so who has a problem?
[04:43] <Valmarko> I just installed Kubuntu 6.10 . Do you have flash videos and animations activated in Konqueror? Could you explain me how you did it? thanks
[04:43] <genii> Minataku There was a little hole inside the case. I pushed a bolt thru and the plate popped out perfect
[04:43] <Minataku> genii: Sweet :D
[04:43] <GrahamA> Yes I do, I installed the same thing you did.
[04:43] <Valmarko> mcrandello, no
[04:44] <GrahamA> What happens when you view flash?
[04:44] <Valmarko> A lot of white holes :)
[04:44] <mcrandello> Valmarko: which version of kde is currently on there?
[04:44] <Valmarko> 3.5.5
[04:45] <mcrandello> man that's wierd
[04:45] <GrahamA> Have you tried restarting your computer?
[04:45] <Valmarko> no
[04:45] <GrahamA> Well... do...
[04:45] <Valmarko> just ctrl+alt + <-
[04:45] <Valmarko> ok
[04:45] <mcrandello> I have the same versions, just installed the libflash-nonfree package, hit update in konq and then headed to youtube to verify
[04:46] <mcrandello> you have java of some sort installed, right?
[04:46] <mcrandello> that's the only other thing I can think og
[04:46] <mcrandello> of
[04:46] <Valmarko> you mean libflash-nonfree?
[04:46] <malik_> how do we purge and remove packages?
[04:46] <mcrandello> yeah the last thing on the list when you "apt-cache search flash"
[04:47] <mcrandello> malik_: either dpkg -r pkgname or sudo apt-get remove pkgname
[04:47] <Valmarko> I tried flashplugin-nonfree. Maybe I should try with libflashnonfree
[04:47] <mcrandello> wait a sec
[04:47] <Valmarko> ok
[04:47] <genii> malik_ sudo apt-get remove <packagename>   purging: sudo apt-get --purge remove <packagename>   works
[04:48] <mcrandello> Valmarko: it was the flashplayer-nonfree that I installed
[04:48] <genii> may be that remove and --purge   are reversed
[04:48] <Valmarko> oh... I installed flashplugin-nonfree
[04:48] <genii> I always forget which order they appear in LOL
[04:48] <mcrandello> gah that's the one
[04:49] <Valmarko> let's see :)
[04:49] <malik_> thanx guyz
[04:49] <mcrandello> either too much or not enough caffiene today
[04:49] <malik_> any other weather report applet besides kweather?
[04:49] <genii> mcrandello I'd give you some coffee if I could :)
[04:49] <mcrandello> I wonder if this "gnash" player is any good
[04:50] <genii> malik_ If you have firefox there is a very good weather plugin
[04:50] <genii> forecastfox-enhanced
[04:51] <Valmarko> Impossible to find flashplayer-nonfree ...
[04:51] <mcrandello> it was flashplugin
[04:51] <mcrandello> sorry
[04:51] <Jucato> flashplugin-nonfree
[04:51] <Valmarko> %(
[04:52] <mcrandello> last one on the list
[04:53] <Valmarko> I'll be right back ...
[04:53] <genii> Hey is anyone running asterisk under ubuntu-server?
[04:56] <genii> Or for that matter anything using a Digium XP100 ?
[04:57] <mcrandello> OMG someone started maintaining x3270
[04:58] <mcrandello> that thing was a pita to build from source
[04:58] <genii> I think i may have terminals that old around here :)
[04:59] <mcrandello> part of my job involves logging into one, had been using hummingbird at work
[04:59] <genii> mcrandello Geez, I had imagined the only ones using those anymore were maybe some basement boys at IBM and NASA
[05:00] <Night_Fox> hi there, i'd like to configure my tv device, but i can't find the file modules.conf... where do i change de the modules configurations??
[05:00] <mcrandello> basement boys at colleges :)
[05:00] <Valmarko> The main reason I'm giving some importance to multimedia and its plugins it's beacuse I'm using my pc as a desktop, mainly to acess internet resources. I'm not using it as a server.  I could install Firefox but, if there is a way of making konqueror do all the job, that would be great
[05:01] <HymnToLife> Valmarko, all FF plugins should work in konqueror
[05:01] <HymnToLife> at leas Flash and Java do
[05:01] <HymnToLife> so I guess it's the same for all of them
[05:01] <mcrandello> Valmarko: I would say check with #kde as well
[05:01] <Dr_willis> but not all the cool extensions. :(
[05:01] <genii> Yeah isn't there some KIO plugin system KDE uses? All plugins globally accessible etc?
[05:01] <Valmarko> thanks
[05:01] <Night_Fox> hi there, i'd like to configure my tv device, but i can't find the file modules.conf... where do i change de the modules configurations??
[05:02] <Night_Fox> at kubuntu
[05:02] <mcrandello> Valmarko: it should be working out of the box though, this is unusual
[05:02] <mcrandello> is it a 64 bit system?
[05:02] <genii> Night_Fox  /etc/modules
[05:06] <genii> Anyone do automated installs? I need some preseed file help
[05:07] <Dr_willis> "  it will be possible to run the beautiful Dashboard widgets of Mac OSX in KDE 4.0. "
[05:07] <Dr_willis> what are osx widgets written in anyway?
[05:07] <genii> Likely XML
[05:09] <genii> hmm
[05:09] <Dr_willis> reading up on kde4 stuff :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> too bad i hate desktop widgets. :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> i perfer gizmos that sit in the panel where i can see them all the time
[05:10] <genii> Dr_willis Reading up on osx widgets :) I'll let you know what they are written in shortly
[05:11] <jontec> how do I install fonts on edgy? I don't see it in system settings like dapper :(
[05:11] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:11] <Dr_willis> type in fonts:/ in konqueror, drag/drop i think :)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> or is it fonts:\
[05:11] <Minataku> genii: I think they're written in Cocoa
[05:11] <Dr_willis> or is it fonts:// ?
[05:12] <Minataku> Apple's own proprietary crap
[05:12] <Minataku> Just like the rest of OSX that isn't Darwin
[05:12] <genii> Dr_willis It's active html content apparently
[05:12] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I never have managed to figure out superkaramba enoguh to get some widgets/.desktop setup how i like it..
[05:13] <genii> And the example I see source code for on macdevcenter  has XML headers/wrapper
[05:13] <mcrandello> I saw a font installer in kcontrol under "system administration" I think
[05:14] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm anti-Apple XD
[05:14] <Minataku> I mean, I have a 68k Mac but it was bought second-hand to run A/UX because I'm a Unix addict
[05:15] <genii> Dr_willis http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/06/dashboard.html
[05:15] <Dr_willis> heh - i got an old imacdv
[05:15] <Dr_willis> in the closset.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> that make me a "Closet Mac User" ?
[05:15] <Minataku> lol
[05:15] <Minataku> Mine is a Quadra 650
[05:15] <Dr_willis> i cant find any OTHER use for it then as a door stop.
[05:15] <mcrandello> macquarium
[05:15] <genii> Minataku Heh I have some of those
[05:15] <genii> And some 603
[05:16] <Dr_willis> it can play dvd's i guess.. but it has 128mb ram. last i had linux on it.. the display was off possition by like 1 inch to the left.. and i never did get it fixed
[05:16] <Minataku> Sasuke (The Q650) had a 601 upgrade in it
[05:16] <Minataku> I took it out
[05:16] <Minataku> A/UX is 68k only
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Minix!
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <Minataku> lol
[05:17] <genii> I tried and tried to put NetBSD on those macs but eventually i had to go with Yellow Dog
[05:17] <mcrandello> There's an old 68k AT&T unix pc with system V sitting in my dining room
[05:17] <mcrandello> my mom picked it up a garage sale for me
[05:17] <Minataku> Yeah, last thing anyone'd ever want to use is Debian/anything
[05:17] <Minataku> XD
[05:18] <Minataku> Sorry, I don't like Debian, either... too many bad experiences XD
[05:19] <genii> I like debian based systems way more than any RH based. At least they have some sane packaging system
[05:19] <Minataku> I use Gentoo now
[05:19] <Minataku> I never successfully installed Debian... well, once
[05:19] <genii> Minataku Heh, thats Debian based
[05:19] <Minataku> But it broke itself shortly after
[05:19] <Minataku> genii: No it's not
[05:19] <Minataku> It's its own distro
[05:20] <Minataku> Uses Portage
[05:20] <genii> Yes, I know
[05:20] <genii> emerge etc
[05:20] <Minataku> Ah, sorry X3
[05:23] <Balsamic_Chicken> !cairo
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cairo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's looking glass, it's sort of like beryl, but it looks different, is it part of beryl?
[05:26] <genii> !libpixman1
[05:26] <ubotu> libpixman1: Cairo pixel manipulation library. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.6-1 (edgy), package size 57 kB, installed size 172 kB
[05:27] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken LookingGlass is a Sun Microsystems desktop, entirely java
[05:27] <genii> 3D Java desktop
[05:27] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  ya saw the demo livecd at disrtowatch ?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  it was a big deal a year? 2 3? a go..  and to be honest... im not impressed then.. or now.. heh heh
[05:29] <genii> I suspect nick "sales_" is a listen-bot
[05:30] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii Dr_willis cool, thx for the info
[05:30] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii Dr_willis does beryl have something like it?
[05:31] <Balsamic_Chicken> i got too much free time now on vacation just wanted to try everything out =)
[05:31] <freeride> what did I miss?
[05:31] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken I am not using beryl so I cannot tell you
[05:32] <Dr_willis> beryl has a lot of similer features  and many more.. Looking Glass was never actually useable as i rember.
[05:32] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool, thx tho, just putting it out there see if anyone might know =)
[05:32] <Balsamic_Chicken> ic
[05:32] <genii> Dr_willis actually there appears to be some d/l at sun for it
[05:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> how could i make the windows stack vertically (well line up against the sides of the cube sort of) in beryls
[05:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> sort of like how in vista u can stack the windows like vertically'ish
[05:33] <Dr_willis> genii,  theres demos of it out.. a slax lve cd is at the DisrtoWatch site.. but go use it for a while.. and all it seems to be is just show off stuff.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> I find the idea of stacking things to the side to be rather... well... pointless.
[05:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> !slax
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slax - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <Dr_willis> looks good on video/demo... but  why bother. :)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Slax - a live cd linux system - based on slackware. very handy, and easy to customize
[05:34] <genii> I like the idea of flipping say browser windows around backwards and writing notes on them LOL
[05:34] <Dr_willis> notes like "This is a browser"
[05:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:35] <genii> heh
[05:37] <reldruh> hello. I'm trying to set up a media server with kubuntu and ubuntu server and I was hoping to get some help accessing it over the internet
[05:37] <reldruh> as opposed to just my local network like it is now
[05:37] <genii> Dr_willis Bleh, they have 3 files in dir "obsolete-source-snapshot" but zilch in "release" LOL
[05:37] <Valmarko> Should I try Kubuntu feisty herd ?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  over the  open internet? the wild dangerous scary internet?
[05:38] <||arifaX> I have to echo value 1833000 into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq during boot after cpu detection but before powernowd starts. In which script do I have to write it?
[05:38] <reldruh> Dr_willis: that very one, yes :-)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  depends on what you are doing exactly.. but ssh comes in handy. :)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  or use some sort of streaming server/system.
[05:39] <genii> reldruh What, like a BlackICE server or so?
[05:39] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I've tried to use ssh but never managed to get it working.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> or set up a VPN i guess..
[05:39] <reldruh> genii: I don't know what BlackICE is. Right now I have two samba shares on a server that get mounted at startup that have all my music and pictures
[05:39] <reldruh> Dr_willis: how would I go about doing that?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of details here that dictate what would be best.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> you dont want to have samba shares over the internet. :)
[05:40] <genii> DEFINITELY not
[05:40] <genii> *perhaps* nfs
[05:40] <reldruh> what do I want to have then?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> ssh and the various sshfs (ssh filesystems) are handy
[05:40] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  you just want to remotely access the files? with what os/tools are you going to be accessing them?
[05:40] <reldruh> there's obviously more to it than just changing that part of the line in fstabb
[05:41] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  file servers over the internet - is a 'huge' topic. :P  and it all depends on the details.
[05:41] <reldruh> I'm going to be using kubuntu and whatever else I need
[05:41] <Dr_willis> so a linux to linux setup then?
[05:41] <reldruh> Dr_willis: yes
[05:42] <reldruh> they're both ubuntu. The server is straight from the ubuntu server cd and the laptop is a plain kubuntu desktop
[05:42] <Dr_willis> ssh and the fuse/sshfs stuff would be rather easy.. but you plan on playign the fles from the server? or just copy them locally then play?
[05:42] <reldruh> what kinds of details are important?
[05:42] <genii> *nix to *nix nfs over internet is not horribly insecure
[05:42] <reldruh> playing them from the server. I don't want them stored locally
[05:42] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  then your connection speeds will be a big issue.
[05:43] <lupine_85> argh :( I need a clock that does transparent backgrounds and will happily sit in the KDE taskbar. any ideas?
[05:43] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I generally have pretty good connection speeds. Anywhere from 300-600 kbps
[05:43] <Dr_willis> fuse + the various fuse tools like sshfs and so on. are soooo handy to know about - ya may want to check into those for the most secure.
[05:44] <reldruh> Dr_willis: in adept I see nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i dont use nfs enough to advise on it
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !nfs
[05:44] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[05:44] <ryantmer> How do I edit the sources.list file again?
[05:45] <ryantmer> (from the konsole)
[05:45] <Dr_willis> sudo EDITORYOULIKE /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:45] <genii> reldruh I think in this case your best bet is not to do any kind of over-the-internet filesystem mounting. Rather, some webserver based jukebox idea
[05:46] <reldruh> genii: all right, I'm open to that. Can I apache or some apache derivative for that?
[05:46] <reldruh> genii: and is it possible to have amarok use that or will I be stuck with a web interface?
[05:46] <ryantmer> And what would I add to sources.list to enable Thunderbird and Gaim?
[05:47] <genii> reldruh In the simplest case you can just put all your media files in some /var/www subdir, then use an alias entry for apache with some authentication method
[05:47] <genii> reldruh So then all you need is a stock Apache2 install
[05:47] <reldruh> genii: alias entry?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ryantmer: they're already in teh repos.  add them with "sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird gaim"
[05:48] <Hobbsee> (to your system, that is)
[05:48] <genii> reldruh Yes, there are examples in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled dir in the default file
[05:49] <ryantmer> It just says they're the newest version...
[05:49] <ryantmer> They still don't work, though
[05:49] <ryantmer> Should I try a restart? I guess this isn't Windoze, though
[05:49] <reldruh> genii: and after doing that would I be able to load all of the music into amarok or pick songs from a web interface?
[05:50] <genii> reldruh Then you make an http based auth method to force a login when ppl want to get to that page to give it some basic security. When you browse to that page, you would in simplist scenario see just a plain listing of all the media there, selecting them in browser gets them to whatever plays media files on that system
[05:51] <reldruh> genii: all right. Sounds like I have some research to do. Thanks for your help :-)
[05:51] <genii> reldruh np :)
[05:53] <stdin> anyone here tried that looking glass thing from java?
[05:53] <genii> stdin LOL we were just discussing that earlier
[05:53] <Dr_willis> egads..
[05:53] <heapme> i'm making a separate ext3 partition called 'backups' before i install linux. will the ubuntu installer auto detect it and let me tell it where to mount it (e.g., /home/backups) or do i have to mount it after linux is installed?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> i dont even think the thing has been updated.. someone just put it on a slax cd. :)
[05:54] <stdin> genii: I said I'd install it yesterday, someone was asking if it would work with beryl, and it don't :p
[05:54] <genii> stdin At any rate on the dev page for it there are 3 source code entries under dir "obsolete-source-snapshot" and zero files under "release"
[05:55] <Dr_willis> yea  - im thinking its just somehow got drug out again.. :)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> the original live cd for it was based on knoppix, the latest i see is now based on slax.
[05:55] <jaxon> hi people...could someone point me in the right direction on how i could install flashplayer plugin to the firefox folder? Thank you
[05:55] <stdin> genii: there is an apt source for it, it's at v1.0.0
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !flash9
[05:55] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[05:56] <genii> stdin No, there is NO package for it. It is almost like it's own java-based OS
[05:56] <jaxon> ok ..cheers
[05:56] <stdin> genii: https://lg3d.dev.java.net/lg3d-getting-started.html
[05:57] <genii> Hangon looking
[05:57] <stdin> heapme: you can choose where you want to mount it during the install
[05:58] <heapme> cool :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> actually from what i saw on the live cd - it seemed to run on top of fluxbox
[05:58] <heapme> stdin is that specific to just ubuntu or most modern linux distros
[05:58] <Dr_willis> let me fire it up under vmware :)
[05:59] <rexbron> hey
[05:59] <stdin> heapme: most will let you do it, you set it up during the partitioning section, just choose where you want it to mount
[05:59] <rexbron> Any files I transfer from amarok do not play
[05:59] <rexbron> it is recent
[05:59] <genii> stdin Damn, there's a deb! On the main page for the project is where I could not find even a release
[05:59] <rexbron> I found a bug report on bugs.kde.org
[05:59] <heapme> stdin and it auto creats the fstab like that?
[06:00] <rexbron> they say it is a kubuntu issue
[06:00] <stdin> genii: google is your friend, that's where I found the page
[06:00] <genii> stdin Since it is supposed to be a native java OS I dunno how well it will run in some javavm
[06:00] <stdin> heapme: yeah
[06:00] <heapme> neat
[06:00] <Dr_willis> its not really a java os. from what i recall.. it is a java program running on top of X
[06:01] <Dr_willis> too bad i deleted the .iso or i would try it undervmware to see if it runs better then on my cheap laptop. :)
[06:01] <stdin> genii: there are 3 packages, it has it's own jdk package, it runs on my system fine :)
[06:01] <genii> stdin Cool :)
[06:01] <Metz> ...can someone help me with java/flash :(
[06:01] <stdin> it's like a desktop environment, same as kde
[06:02] <Dr_willis> stdin,  it dosent even have those features. :)
[06:03] <stdin> Dr_willis: I meant you'd run it instead of KDE, it adds an entry to the sessions menu in kdm
[06:03] <xeen7_7> are u from america ?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> stdin,  heh - ok. correct.
[06:04] <Metz> whats the difference between FlashPlayer-Mozilla and Flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:04] <genii> I'm still saving my moolah for the first holographic 3D monitor/video output system
[06:05] <genii> Like Jetsons LOL
[06:05] <stdin> :p
[06:05] <stdin> Metz: help page for flash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[06:06] <stdin> Metz: and java: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[06:06] <stdin> opps
[06:06] <stdin> Metz: and java: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[06:06] <stdin> java
[06:06] <Metz> so, Firefox 2.0 keeps crashing on me
[06:06] <Metz> when it goes to load Java, i believe, how do i fix that?
[06:07] <heapme> firefox2 is stable in osx and windows but not linux :( unfair since we're the open source-iest
[06:07] <stdin> first make sure you have it installed right
[06:07] <Metz> i installed it with Adept
[06:07] <Metz> im assuming it got installed correctly?
[06:07] <heapme> did you install the updates for it?
[06:07] <heapme> kubuntu will probably notify you that there are new updates for firefox 2 awaiting installation
[06:07] <Metz> through Adept? or do i gotta dig them up somewhere else
[06:08] <heapme> did for me anyway
[06:08] <heapme> down in the panel where the kubuntu update manager icon is
[06:08] <Metz> i think i did
[06:08] <Metz> im not sure tho :-\
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i saw some firefox updates just this week
[06:09] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[06:09] <Jucato> Adept Notifier (adept_notifier) runs and update once a day, and will display an icon in the system tray if updates are available
[06:09] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 8992 kB, installed size 28580 kB
[06:09] <genii> If you don't get a little green dot there after searches for updates are done, you need to do the updates
[06:09] <premier__> why is everything in linux "lightweight"
[06:09] <Jucato> ??
[06:10] <genii> I wouldn't actually say that FF *is* lightweight
[06:10] <heapme> 4gb should be enough for a /home partition if i'm the only user of the system and i wont be installing huge media files like mp3s or movies in it right?
[06:10] <genii> heapme Yup plenty
[06:10] <heapme> lighter weight than mozilla but not lightweight overall, it's a ram hog
[06:10] <heapme> opera is a super nice browser
[06:10] <Jucato> heapme: how much / and swap?
[06:10] <Metz> ooo! 10 updates, how exciting!
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Metz,  and they are all for openoffice! :)
[06:10] <genii> I'm still liking my "elinks" :)
[06:10] <heapme> like 75gb for / and 768mb swap
[06:11] <Metz> boo! ::sobs::
[06:11] <heapme> elinks is great if you're just googling around and not youtubing
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Metz,  and i never even USE openoffice. :)
[06:11] <genii> heapme :)
[06:11] <heapme> but we all youtube
[06:11] <premier__> heapme: what are you installing?  Is 75 a bit much for / ?
[06:11] <heapme> admit it
[06:11] <Metz> so, how the hell do i get videos and such to work on.... any browser
[06:11] <premier__> elinks?
[06:11] <heapme> linux, dual boot system with win2k
[06:12] <genii> heapme Nah I have no time for things like youtube
[06:12] <Jucato> heapme: 75gb for root? too much
[06:12] <heapme> genii dont let pesky things like sleep and exercise get in the way
[06:12] <heapme> jucato? well what should i do make more partitions for like /var and /tmp?
[06:12] <premier__> yeah, esp if you have your on /home part, you only need, maybe 12g max, but Im no expert
[06:12] <heapme> i'm not gonna install untill i get the perfect partition table set up
[06:13] <heapme> so i should give most to /home?
[06:13] <Jucato> heapme: why do you need /var and /tmp to be so big?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i tend to just have a /  and a /home and swap.
[06:13] <heapme> i dont
[06:13] <Jucato>  /tmp gets cleaned after every boot
[06:13] <genii> heapme LOL I have never really seena "perfect" partition table setup
[06:13] <heapme> i plan to install a lot of packages though, so i need /bin or whatever to have a lot of allocated space
[06:13] <premier__> heapme: what consitutes perfection?
[06:13] <Minataku> Mine is very simple
[06:13] <Jucato>  /var doesn't get that big if you clean the apt cache once in a while
[06:13] <Minataku> 3 partitions
[06:13] <Minataku> One /boot, one swap, one /
[06:13] <heapme> genni well not 'perfect' but somethin i'll be happy with and not wish i had done it differently a month from now
[06:13] <Dr_willis> what no /porn ?
[06:14] <Minataku> But then Piyoko is a home system running no services
[06:14] <Jucato> heapme: I have 1082 packages installed, and I haven't gone beyond 5GB at all
[06:14] <genii> <-- one /boot one / one /home
[06:14] <Minataku> Dr_willis: That's on the external drive
[06:14] <Minataku> lol
[06:14] <heapme> i want /home on its own partition incase / file system corrupts
[06:14] <premier__> Dr_willis: very funny
[06:14] <heapme> just safer that way
[06:14] <Dr_willis> i keep /home on its own hard drive
[06:14] <Minataku> heapme: True, but that's rare
[06:14] <heapme> i onlh have one hard drive :\
[06:14] <Minataku> Worse is having the HDD fail
[06:14] <Minataku> In which case everything's gone anyway
[06:14] <genii> Dr_willis separate hd for /home is a good idea
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Only 1? how.... 1990'ish...
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:14] <heapme> Minataku not so rare since its a dual boot system and im using ext3 drivers from windows
[06:14] <Dr_willis> i got 7 in this box.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:14] <Minataku> I keep very little of importance in my home
[06:15] <Jucato> heapme: you just have to once in a while check /var/cache/apt/archives... which stores the .deb packages for what you install through apt-get/adept
[06:15] <Minataku> All that's on my external
[06:15] <heapme> Minataku where do you keep it? hmm
[06:15] <heapme> Minataku well i'm keeping most of my important stuff on a separate FAT32 partition
[06:15] <Minataku> lol
[06:15] <heapme> so i can acess it from windows and linux without worrying about corrupting the file system
[06:15] <Minataku> My external is in three partitions because of FAT32
[06:15] <genii> Since I generally untar source and so on in some subdir of my /home I like a fair bit of space there
[06:15] <Minataku> A leftover, if you will
[06:15] <jontec> Hey is there anyway that I can use the fact that my Lexmark printer is connected to a windows computer to my advantage? Any thoughts?
[06:15] <Jucato> heapme: then make 5 (but will be displayed as 6) partitions
[06:15] <heapme> genii i read its best to install source code like that in /opt/
[06:16] <heapme> genii but that might depend on what perms you have
[06:16] <Jucato> heapme: you can install source code in /opt or in /home
[06:16] <genii> heapme I generally have like a ~/tmp where I compile/dissect source
[06:16] <heapme> i know but /opt is the FHS standard though for 3rd party software. doesnt really matter i guess, though some programs might look in /opt and /etc/opt for config files
[06:17] <Jucato> hda1 = Windows; hda2 = /; hda3 = swap; hda4 = extended partition that will contain: hda5 = /home; hda6 = fat32 partition
[06:17] <Minataku> XP could only make FAT32 to 32GB
[06:17] <Jucato> heapme:
[06:17] <Minataku> So an 80 splits into three of 32/32/left
[06:17] <Minataku> XD
[06:17] <heapme> take what i say with a grain of salt, i'm still a noob
[06:17] <Minataku> BUT that made it good when I switched it to Reiser3
[06:17] <heapme> this is just stuff i read :p
[06:18] <Jucato> heapme: you can install source code in /home as well. it doesn't matter if you install in /opt or /home as long as you have permissions in those directories, and you set the correct prefixes and paths
[06:18] <premier__> heapme: you know, theres a pretty nice third party program for winXP that allows you to view Ext3 partitions
[06:18] <heapme> premier__ view yes, but not write to without fear of corrupting :(
[06:19] <lupine_85> heapme: there's a driver that lets you write to them and it works fine
[06:19] <Jucato> heapme: you can read/write from XP to Ext3 with a special program/driver. but not the other way around
[06:19] <heapme> i used one yesterday and corrupted my ext3 well not really the ext3 is fine but windows driver now refuses to read it for some reason
[06:19] <heapme> i know, but that ext3 driver/program is not stable
[06:19] <lupine_85> meh. it's running in windows, what do you expect? ;)
[06:19] <Jucato> heapme: it is. the driver to read from Ext3.
[06:20] <Jucato> err
[06:20] <heapme> trust me, mine was working fine and then all the sudden tit refuses to work. if i try to access my ext3 it wont let me anymore, it says something like 'format the drive, yes/no'? and thats it now
[06:20] <Jucato> sorry, the driver to read/write to Ext3 in Windows XP
[06:20] <genii> benefit of compiling source in ~/tmp ... you can just back that up or have it mounted on it's own hd whatever . then transplant all back in when upgrade or whatever. Also mountable same /home from any number of distros multibooting
[06:20] <genii> An no re-d/l of customised source etc etc
[06:20] <Minataku> Don't touch NTFS with Linux, MS keeps changing it to screw things up
[06:20] <Minataku> lol
[06:21] <heapme> Minataku thats why i want to just use fat32, that should be safer
[06:21] <heapme> just for backups of text/html files
[06:21] <Minataku> heapme: Yeah, MS more or less abandoned that
[06:21] <heapme> and not my first line of backups, like a 3rd backup after /home partition and usb drive
[06:22] <hagabaka> could anyone check if http://supybot.com/ is rendered correctly in Konqueror? as in whether the site stylesheet is used or is it displayed with the default fonts, colors and without borders?
[06:22] <heapme> just an extra extra safety measure and to allow me to write files from when im in windows
[06:22] <Minataku> Heh, I'm lame, I should back up but I'm lazy >.<
[06:22] <Minataku> I know
[06:23] <Minataku> Even after learning my lesson SEVERAL TIMES
[06:23] <Minataku> >.<
[06:23] <stdin> if you don't mind loosing all your data, then don't backup :p
[06:23] <heapme> Minataku i think i'm going to set up a cron job to backup to dvd at 3am once a week using growisofs or something. until i can get another computer/wireless router and use rysnc anyway
[06:23] <Minataku> I do mind, I'm just... *cries* XD
[06:23] <heapme> ive learned never to be lazy with backups, dont event reboot yer computer thinkin it'll be ok
[06:23] <heapme> i get screwed EVERY TIME i think that it'll be fine :(
[06:24] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:24] <genii> no backup folks are why data recovery labs are laughing all the way to their Swiss bank accounts
[06:24] <Minataku> Swiss, tell me about it
[06:24] <Minataku> lol
[06:24] <heapme> and sometimes i get cheap and dont want to buy dvds but they're too cheap to matter. my data is most important
[06:24] <Minataku> The cost of that s...ervice
[06:24] <Minataku> My data isn't critical in any capacity
[06:24] <Minataku> I'd like to keep it but I'm the only one affected if it's lost
[06:24] <heapme> this is why i wont even install linux until i have a good backup strategy now. i want to be using linux right now but im researchin this stuff the last few days hardcore
[06:25] <Minataku> Which is probably why I'm so complacent about it
[06:25] <heapme> no one should use a computer without an organized filesystem that is in sync with a backup strategy
[06:25] <genii> heapme I use an rsync backup method
[06:25] <heapme> or a year from now you'll be crying
[06:26] <heapme> before i had a cd burner i usd to have to intetionally lose my data to do a reinstall heh, it required crying
[06:26] <heapme> but now theres no excuse
[06:26] <genii> I have a dedicated box with raided / and double raid 1 mirrors which grabs stuff from all the machines and then i can dump it all on a removeable 750
[06:26] <heapme> nice
[06:26] <genii> And lock that up in a separate place in case of fire
[06:26] <heapme> tho i dont trust zip drives anymore
[06:27] <Dr_willis> the click of death!
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <Minataku> lol
[06:27] <Minataku> I've seen all sorts of crazy HDD failures
[06:28] <genii> Minataku What made me cry once was a raid5 with 3 drives no spare. 1 drive went kaput so running degraded. Before we got the replacement in there one of the remaining drives blew
[06:29] <Minataku> Ouch
[06:29] <genii> 4000 ppl home webpages ... kaput
[06:29] <Minataku> >.<
[06:29] <genii> So now I'm a freak for redundancy
[06:30] <heapme> i cant sleep at night without backups in place anymore, hardware failures at the worst times have consistently ruined my life
[06:31] <heapme> and software failures :|
[06:32] <Minataku> And random supernatural occurances outside the realm of both
[06:32] <heapme> my 13" no name television has been working for 10 years pefectly and cost $100. but i can't get any single peice of computer hardware to last more than a year or two
[06:32] <Minataku> Well, in defense, computers are a lot more complicated XD
[06:32] <Minataku> As for me I've got numerous old second-hand electronics
[06:32] <genii> When it's my own data lost I don't care much, like Minataku. When it's customer data at stake I spare no storage expense etc
[06:32] <Minataku> Including a Toshiba T1200 from 1987
[06:32] <Minataku> genii: Of course
[06:33] <heapme> heh
[06:33] <heapme> customers schmustomers
[06:33] <Minataku> That has a 20MB HDD that still works perfectly
[06:33] <heapme> i betta not lose my code or pics!
[06:33] <genii> Minataku Heh, i still have my Toshiba Satellite 2100 ... runs 5.10 perfectly :)
[06:33] <heapme> thankfully sourceforge uses subversion
[06:33] <Minataku> genii: lol
[06:34] <Minataku> Nice
[06:34] <genii> I like those old keyboard joysticks way better than the touchpads now
[06:34] <Minataku> Oh, definitely
[06:35] <Minataku> Eraser > Touchpad
[06:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> !akimaru
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about akimaru - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <heapme> copying files from linux to windows (using ext3 drives in windows) isnt possible to harm the ext3 partition right? since it's just reading from it
[06:37] <heapme> i think if i reinstall my ext3 drivers and they hopefully start working, then i can still copy files to windows partition so i wont have to put them on dvds to salvage
[06:37] <Minataku> Theoretically, I don't think Windows allows mount options
[06:37] <Minataku> lol
[06:37] <genii> Minataku BTW if you like Sun equipment you would love this Sunfire X2100 we use nowadays :) The only issue i have with it is it sounds like it is an F16 when you power it on
[06:37] <Minataku> genii: Heehee
[06:38] <genii> I thought I broke it the first time I hit the power switch
[06:39] <genii> We run amd64 debian on that one :)
[06:39] <wabbit> Hi all I've moved to edgy and kde3.5.5...but all of a sudden the usb drives are not being detected the camera works though and the detection services are up..any ideas as to what I must do??
[06:41] <stdin> do the devices show when you do lsusb ?
[06:41] <genii> Sounds like some dev entry not being made by udev
[06:45] <genii> Also any entries in /dev/bus/usb/001  or /dev/bus/usb/00#  (# could be any depending on how many usb adapters)
[06:45] <Balsamic_Chicken> !kvm
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: Kernel-based Virtual Machine ?
[06:46] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken You have some keyboard/video/mouse box?
[06:46] <genii> (kvm switch)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> !syngery
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about syngery - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <Dr_willis> i never can spell that right
[06:46] <genii> heh
[06:46] <Dr_willis> !find synegry
[06:46] <ubotu> Package/file synegry does not exist in edgy
[06:46] <genii> !synergy
[06:46] <ubotu> synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 1460 kB
[06:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii ah ic, thx
[06:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin thx
[06:47] <genii> Dr_willis makes housecalls ;)
[06:49] <genii> Here we used to use a shared vnc desktop as sort of whiteboard but everyone trying to control the mouse gets somewhat annoying
[06:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there bdock in beryl, if so, how do i turn it on (i asked in beryl channel, everyone wasn't sure)
[06:52] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken googling now for some kind of enlightening info :)
[06:56] <premier_> hey, does anyone here know eclipse, the ide?
[06:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii thx, hopefully u have better luck than me
[06:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii google keeps telling me i mispelt bdock and it should be block lol
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I got Konueror all messed up.. odd.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> menu items are not showing up.. no profiles.. cant change view modes..
[06:59] <Dr_willis> wonder how i did that
[06:59] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Interestingly i found some src code for bdock relating to beryl at http://bugs.beryl-project.org/browser/trunk/bdock/src
[06:59] <genii> It may or may not be enlightening for you
[07:00] <stdin> that's the only thing I found too, if you want it, you have to compile it
[07:00] <genii> Dr_willis Sounds like some messed up ~/.whatever  stuff
[07:01] <Dr_willis> yea.. i just noticed it being messed up
[07:02] <Dr_willis> lets logout and see... well night all.
[07:02] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: is what you want "a standalone clone of WindowMaker dock app" ?
[07:03] <genii> I need coffee
[07:04] <genii> :p
[07:04] <genii> :P   even
[07:04] <genii> stdin b**tard...oops lucky so n so that is
[07:04] <stdin> heh :p
[07:05] <genii> unix_infidel Heya
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin yes
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii thx for looking it up
[07:05] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: then you have to get it from svn and compile it
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin cool, i'll look it up, thx
[07:06] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken as stdin says, it looks like anything of that kind the beryl devs aren't working on, but the source is available for the ppl that don't mind getting their hands dirty
[07:06] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: you just install the 'subversion' package (and probably autoconf and automake) then run: svn co svn://svn.beryl-project.org/beryl/trunk/bdock
[07:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii stdin yay k, i'll try see if i can set it up =)
[07:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx u guys =)
[07:07] <stdin> and you'll need to know how to resolve dependencies from configure scripts :p
[07:08] <stdin> i''m gonna try and compile it, I've got nothing to do right now :)
[07:08] <genii> stdin I am making a coffeerun :)
[07:09] <stdin> run genii, run :P
[07:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin i found a site that has bdock i just had it working http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:NeLBSi0DJCYJ:3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/beryl-svn/+svn+bdock&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
[07:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin doesn't look pretty like kiba dock hehe
[07:11] <pwn4tt4ck> need help. I installed PHP5, now how do I view the file in a web browser? every time I do it just shows me source code instead of the result of the code
[07:12] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: ahh , that's the repo I was using for beryl before I went to feisty, I'm still gonna compile it, I'm in the zone now :p
[07:13] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin hehe kk, have fun with it =)
[07:13] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: I will :D
[07:14] <Balsamic_Chicken> :)
[07:15] <ryantmer> Okay, this is beyond weird.
[07:15] <ryantmer> Well, we're talking computers here, so maybe not.
[07:15] <ryantmer> But within Adept, Thunderbird is appearing as "installed"
[07:15] <ryantmer> But the program still doesn't run, no matter what, it seems.
[07:16] <stdin> ryantmer: try running it from konsole to see if you get any errors
[07:16] <ryantmer> I've tried from the konsole, from teh K menu, and I've restarted twice...
[07:16] <stdin> did you get any errors from konsole then?
[07:16] <ryantmer> No, I don't get any errors
[07:16] <ryantmer> It just pauses, then goes to a new line
[07:17] <ryantmer> (I can run it from the default directory with a reg user, right?)
[07:17] <ryantmer> Or do I have to change to the directory where the thunderbird executable is?
[07:17] <stdin> you should just be able to type 'mozilla-thunderbird' anywhere and it will work
[07:18] <ryantmer> Yeah...
[07:18] <ryantmer> It doesn't though :X
[07:19] <stdin> ok, try running it from konsole again, and after it fails type 'echo $?' and tell me the number it shows
[07:19] <bork> windows rocks!
[07:19] <stdin> bork: windoes runs like a rock maybe
[07:20] <ryantmer> stdin: It gives me 1
[07:21] <ryantmer> (Just as a learning question, what does "echo $?" do?)
[07:21] <stdin> shows the exit status of a process, 0 = success, >0 = error
[07:22] <ryantmer> Ah... well, I'm getting 1, but it doesn't list any errors :/
[07:24] <stdin> try 'mozilla-thunderbird >/dev/null 2> errors.txt' and check the size of the errors.txt file after
[07:25] <genii> For anyone who cares, if you're in Toronto and planning to go outside bring a *large* umbrella
[07:26] <genii> stdin I'm soaked now but at least have caffeine LOL
[07:26] <stdin> coffee cures everything, even wetness :p
[07:27] <genii> That and a banana muffin
[07:28] <stdin> mmm, sounds nice
[07:28] <genii> stdin Did you get that thing compiled?
[07:28] <stdin> yeah, just doin a checkinstall now
[07:29] <genii> cool
[07:31] <stdin> genii: the man page is funny "bdock - program to do something"
[07:32] <genii> Since its quiet: Anyone used preseed files for unattended installs? If so would like some values for auto-adding default user/passwd because the examples given in my sample preseed file do *not* work
[07:32] <ryantmer> stdin: Where did the errors.txt file get saved to? I can find a /dev/null directory
[07:33] <genii> stdin Heh... they must figure if you know where it is or whatever you already know what it does LOL
[07:33] <stdin> ryantmer: it'll be in the directory you ran the command from (not in /dev/null)
[07:33] <ryantmer> oh, k
[07:33] <genii> ryantmer The erros.txt file got saved in whatever directory you ran the command
[07:33] <genii> heh
[07:34] <kouran> this has probably been asked a billion times, but has anyone solved the nvidia driver issue with xserver not starting on reboot under 6.10?
[07:34] <stdin> genii: under description it says "bdock is an application that let you minimize your windows in a modular dock." but under name it's just "bdock - program to do something"
[07:35] <stdin> so 'whatis bdock' comes up with "bdock - program to do something"
[07:35] <genii> stdin LOL Well, I guess because we all need a program to "do something"
[07:35] <stdin> most (but not all) programs do something :p
[07:35] <genii> Or perhaps it's a dev note to himself..eg: I needto program this to do something"
[07:36] <stdin> heh
[07:36] <stdin> it seems to work tho, even under kwin
[07:37] <genii> stdin So it goes with beryl then I assume
[07:37] <stdin> yeah, works with beryl too
[07:37] <stdin> it's a funky little app
[07:38] <genii> How does the docking thing work in 3D ?
[07:38] <morghanphoenix> any ides why my DVD drive is seen as being empty and the light stays on when a disc I know to be good is inserted?
[07:38] <NamShub> bbdock would be a very cool name
[07:39] <stdin> genii: as far as I can see, it's just like a task bar replacement
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> I'd try to mount it CLI but it's activly reading the drive, just not doing anything else.
[07:40] <genii> morghanphoenix My first inclination is to think it has an entry in /etc/fstab which tries to mount it every boot when it should have some line like auto
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> It is set to auto
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> And I've even rebooted just in case, still the same result.
[07:41] <genii> morghanphoenix Did it work previously?
[07:41] <genii> eg: this a recent development or an issue after a new install or so
[07:42] <morghanphoenix> Just started
[07:42] <morghanphoenix> Been working perfectly for the last few dozen discs since the fresh install
[07:42] <genii> Then I'd suspect hardware failure of some type
[07:42] <stdin> genii: you have X running?
[07:42] <genii> stdin Not on this box, it's CLI only
[07:43] <stdin> ahh, was gonna show you a screenshot, but if you don't have X... :p
[07:43] <genii> stdin If you paste to like imageshack I can run over to the windoze box and look at it :)
[07:43] <BlindSide> quick question
[07:43] <BlindSide> how to get kernal versoin
[07:44] <morghanphoenix> It's done this before, I hope it's not the DVD-ROM, only three months old.
[07:44] <genii> BlindSide uname -ra
[07:44] <morghanphoenix> That'd be a bad lifespan for a drive
[07:44] <BlindSide> thx
[07:44] <stdin> genii: is already on imageshack :p
[07:44] <stdin> http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot5qh5.jpg
[07:45] <genii> morghanphoenix As a blind guess... is this some Acer or Mitsumi model?
[07:46] <morghanphoenix> Toshiba
[07:46] <genii> Ah OK. No immediate clue then
[07:46] <genii> Mitsumi = total garbageola
[07:46] <genii> brb, checking imageshack :)
[07:46] <stdin> :)
[07:46] <stdin> ryantmer: any update on it yet?
[07:46] <morghanphoenix> I'm gonna try loading a CD and see if it's both drives or just my DVD
[07:47] <Rob-West> stdin what r u trying to get rid of
[07:47] <stdin> Rob-West: huh?
[07:47] <Rob-West> nbm
[07:47] <Rob-West> nvm*
[07:47] <stdin> ok :)
[07:50] <stdin> night Rob-West
[07:50] <morghanphoenix> CDs load in the DVD drive, just won't mount a DVD
[07:50] <morghanphoenix> This is so wierd
[07:51] <genii> stdin Looks intriguing
[07:51] <ryantmer> What is the default working directory for the konsole?
[07:51] <ryantmer> I can't seem to find the errors.txt file...
[07:51] <stdin> genii: yeah, I already closed it, and removed it :p
[07:52] <genii> ryantmer /home/yourusernamehere
[07:52] <stdin> ryantmer: default is your home dir
[07:53] <ryantmer> Okay, you wanted to know what about the errors.txt file?
[07:53] <stdin> is it bigger then 0 bytes?
[07:53] <genii> morghanphoenix Hmm sounds like some iso9660 vs udffs thing
[07:53] <ryantmer> No
[07:53] <genii> cd=iso9660
[07:53] <ryantmer> It is 0 bytes
[07:53] <stdin> ryantmer: hmm, ok
[07:53] <stdin> you can delete the file if you want then
[07:54] <morghanphoenix> On the same drive, they're different?
[07:54] <ryantmer> stdin: a'ight
[07:54] <stdin> ryantmer: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[07:54] <genii> morghanphoenix DVD does not use iso9660
[07:54] <ryantmer> 6.06 LTS
[07:54] <stdin> x86 ?
[07:54] <genii> At least not that I recall... some udf thing
[07:54] <ryantmer> Oh, yeah
[07:54] <morghanphoenix> Any idea how to fix that?
[07:55] <genii> morghanphoenix Looking into it now
[07:55] <morghanphoenix> Thanks, really frustrating, we were watching a series on DVD and have one disc left.
[07:56] <morghanphoenix> My computer is the only DVD player in the house.