[06:47] <mnssk> pestilence, pls give me 2 min
[06:47] <masterloki> Hi there it seems that ubuntuguide.org is broken and I can't install mplayer and mp3 ripping
[06:47] <masterloki> where can I find a new manual
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> masterloki: ubuntuguide is always broken, please dont use it
[06:47] <mrimbert> masterloki: the wiki
[06:47] <masterloki> _
[06:47] <masterloki> Ok
[06:47] <mrimbert> see the UserDocumentation in the topic
[06:47] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[06:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[06:48] <masterloki> thanks
[06:48] <mnssk> pestilence, i think my bios is A05 only
[06:48] <mnssk> pestilence, shall I try this xorg.conf and get back to you ?
[06:49] <Madpilot> that ubuntuguide entry really should point people to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation - that's were all the useful-to-newbies stuff begins, really
[06:50] <regeya> who runs ubuntuguide, anyway
[06:50] <Madpilot> no idea
[06:50] <mnssk> pestilence, you there ?
[06:50] <haja> What do you guys use to play movie files in Linux? I used Mplayer and it works pretty good but I was looking for something a little less flashy and such...
[06:50] <Madpilot> I gather there was some co-operation with the official Ubuntu doc teams at one point, but it's stopped since... too bad
[06:51] <Madpilot> haja: Totem, no flash at all. It "just works"...
[06:51] <chibifs> Does anyone have mark's email? I have a serious question for him, and I'm afraid to call him. :P
[06:51] <mnssk> pestilence, but you can see something on the screen of inspiron 6000 is it ?
[06:51] <haja> I've had problems with Totem... maybe I need to download some plugins...?
[06:51] <chibifs> haja - totem-xine
[06:52] <haja> Download that?
[06:52] <chibifs> Xine is a much more established movie player than gstreamer.
[06:52] <haja> Ok so should I remove the totem that isbased off gstreamer?
[06:52] <chibifs> If you want to use it to play movies, yes. :P
[06:52] <Madpilot> !tell haja about restricted
[06:53] <Madpilot> haja: the URL ubotu just sent you has all the codec/plugin info you need
[06:53] <mnssk> pestilence, okay
[06:53] <mnssk> pestilence, i will reboot..try the xorg.conf and get back to you
[06:53] <mnssk> pestilence, thanx for the help...
[06:53] <haja> Ok but do you use xine or gstreamer?
[06:53] <robertbb> How can I tell what version of XOrg is running?
[06:55] <haja> When I go to remove the gstreamer it says its wants to remove ubuntu-desktop also....
[06:55] <johndarkhorse> haja: that is fine, ubuntu-desktop is just a metapkg
[06:56] <Agrajag> don't remove gstreamer
[06:56] <Agrajag> don't remove gstreamer
[06:56] <Agrajag> install totem-xine
[06:56] <haja> just install it and don't remove the other?
[06:56] <Agrajag> it'll remove totem-gstreamer for you
[06:56] <haja> ho
[06:56] <haja> ok
[06:56] <haja> oh*
[06:56] <haja> Thanks
[06:56] <Agrajag> yes, you need gstreamer for other things
[06:56] <Agrajag> like rhythmbox, if you use that
[06:56] <chibifs> haja - that's normal, just remember to re-check ubuntu-desktop between system upgrades
[06:56] <haja> no... I use BMP
[06:57] <haja> ok thanks chibifs
[06:57] <Agrajag> haja: well in any case there's no reason to remove it
[06:57] <haja> hehe
[06:57] <haja> thanks :D
[06:57] <Agrajag> just install totem-xine and it'll be done with, and you'll still have ubuntu-desktop
[07:02] <h17m4n> Whats a good download manager for linux?
[07:02] <h17m4n> having to start dls over is a pain
[07:03] <chibifs> d4x
[07:03] <Madpilot> h17m4n: doesn't Firefox's DL manager do that? (although FF's DLmngr is by FAR the worst feature of that browser...)
[07:03] <h17m4n> it doesn't
[07:04] <h17m4n> my connection went down and I had to log in again
[07:04] <h17m4n> I was dling a file on ff
[07:04] <h17m4n> 83%
[07:04] <h17m4n> and it won't resume
[07:04] <Madpilot> h17m4n: get Opera, it's got a great DL manager included... supports resumes, etc
[07:04] <johndarkhorse> h17m4n: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[07:04] <pestilence> h17m4n: firefox supports resumes too, no?
[07:04] <pestilence> h17m4n: just open the dl manager (tools...downloads) and right click...resume
[07:05] <johndarkhorse> h17m4n: i love wget, it rocks. (and resumes)
[07:05] <johndarkhorse> Madpilot: eeewww, Opera isn't FOSS
[07:05] <Madpilot> Firefox's basic DL manager is one of the major reasons I'm still an Opera user
[07:06] <Madpilot> johndarkhorse: no, but it's still a better browser than FF right now!
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> Madpilot: there is a download extenstion for firefox
[07:06] <h17m4n> but opera isnt free... or is it?
[07:06] <volvoguy> johndarkhorse, wget will even resume a download that you started via another app, right?
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> h17m4n: it's free as in beer, not free as in freedom
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: yes, unless the other app uses some weird method of d/l
[07:06] <Madpilot> johndarkhorse: I know I could extend FF to do most of what Opera does, but Opera does all that stuff right out of the box...
[07:07] <volvoguy> h17m4n, no - Opera isn't free in any sense of the word. (unfortunately)
[07:07] <h17m4n> too bad...
[07:07] <Madpilot> h17m4n: current version of Opera has a two-line text ad across the top
[07:07] <h17m4n> because FF's resume feature doesnt work at all
[07:08] <h17m4n> it doesnt work under windows, and it doesnt work under linux
[07:08] <snausages> hey all, im trying to download the latest live cd iso and would like to know what the best way is to do that. i hate trying to burn the iso and then finding out that it's corrupted or somethin'
[07:08] <h17m4n> it works if YOU pause it, but not if the connection goes down
[07:09] <pestilence> snausages: use md5sum to verify the file before you burn it
[07:09] <pestilence> snausages: man md5sum
[07:09] <chibifs> volvoguy - Well, they did do that give out lots of free opera keys thing.
[07:10] <Agrajag> they gave ou tthe same key to everyone
[07:10] <chibifs> Though I despise it's QTness.
[07:10] <Agrajag> and they're no longer valid
[07:10] <volvoguy> chibifs, yeah, but it must have been pretty short. all i do all day is surf the web and i missed it somehow. doh!
[07:10] <h17m4n> volvoguy, but those lines allow you to use all features or is it limited?
[07:10] <Madpilot> Agrajag: you talking about the Opera 10th birthday party thing? that was cool, I've got ad-free Opera now!
[07:11] <Agrajag> h17m4n: it's unlimited
[07:11] <volvoguy> h17m4n, it's unlimited if you don't mind looking at the ads.
[07:11] <chibifs> I rebooted this morning! Loving the startup screen.
[07:11] <chibifs> :D
[07:11] <h17m4n> hmm
[07:11] <h17m4n> I'll try it
[07:11] <sockpuppe1> I think I made a big mistake with openoffice
[07:11] <sockpuppe1> as we know we have 1.1.3
[07:11] <h17m4n> thx for the suggestion
[07:11] <sockpuppe1> but Im on the beta edge of life
[07:11] <snausages> pestilence, how would i use the md5sum?
[07:12] <sockpuppe1> and I wanted 2.0
[07:12] <jack-> hi
[07:12] <Madpilot> h17m4n: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser for Ubuntu-izing Opera
[07:12] <volvoguy> sockpuppe1, i think openoffice made a mistake with openoffice. :-P i had to say it. hehe.
[07:12] <jack-> little question
[07:12] <snausages> you see i'm a newb
[07:12] <jack-> Package avifile-xvid-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:12] <sockpuppe1> so I took all the rpms and made them into debs
[07:12] <jack-> anyone got an idea where to get that stuff?
[07:12] <sockpuppe1> lol volvoguy
[07:12] <volvoguy> sockpuppe1, OO.org is at version 2 in Breezy.
[07:12] <sockpuppe1> i kno
[07:12] <jack-> its suggested by "libavifile-0.7c102"
[07:13] <johndarkhorse> jack-: you'll have to have apt-get build it for you
[07:13] <Madpilot> OOo2 is in the Hoary repos, even
[07:13] <volvoguy> I prefer abiword and gnumeric personally.
[07:13] <sockpuppe1> really?
[07:13] <jack-> johndarkhorse: how
[07:13] <sockpuppe1> madpilot how do i install
[07:13] <jack-> the line i pasted is from apt-get
[07:13] <tritium> sockpuppe1, 2.0o betas are available as .deb packages in the repos
[07:13] <sockpuppe1> hello tritium
[07:13] <tritium> hi sockpuppe1
[07:13] <Madpilot> sockpuppe1: install what? OO2? it's in the repos, just search Synaptic
[07:13] <johndarkhorse> jack-: open a terminal, type "sudo apt-get build-dep <pkgname>"
[07:14] <sockpuppe1> apt-get what
[07:14] <sockpuppe1> ?
[07:14] <jack-> sounds good, thx
[07:14] <johndarkhorse> jack-: then type "sudo apt-get source -b <samepkgname>"
[07:14] <jack-> just thought i might be missing a source in apt.conf maybe
[07:14] <firebird619> Can anyone suggest a program to download so I can tune and listen to radio stations from my TV Tuner Card?
[07:14] <johndarkhorse> jack-: you do have all your repos enabled?
[07:14] <Madpilot> sockpuppe1: not sure of the exact filename for OOo2, just use Synaptic's search
[07:15] <jack-> yes
[07:15] <tritium> sockpuppe1, apt-cache search openoffice.org2
[07:15] <jack-> and i added debian/stable
[07:15] <sockpuppe1> thanks
[07:15] <johndarkhorse> jack-: using debian repos WILL KILL your box
[07:16] <jack-> i had to, because of vlc :<
[07:16] <sockpuppe1> it asks to install gcc4.0-base
[07:16] <jack-> but i can remove them if you say so
[07:16] <tritium> jack-, no
[07:16] <sockpuppe1> should I?
[07:16] <mnssk> pestilence, you there ??
[07:16] <sockpuppe1> what you think tritium
[07:17] <sockpuppe1> ?
[07:17] <mnssk> pestilence, I have tried it, and none of them worked
[07:17] <chibifs> johndarkhorse - I've mixed distro repositories before, my hardware seems to all still be in working order :P
[07:17] <jack-> i lost my worries after i saw synaptic tags debian/stable as "officially supported"
[07:17] <jack-> heh
[07:17] <tritium> sockpuppe1, what tells you that?
[07:17] <tritium> when you try to install openoffice.org2?
[07:17] <sockpuppe1> apt-get
[07:17] <penticlex> any one using ubunto 64
[07:17] <sockpuppe1> sure thing
[07:18] <penticlex> and know how to get java working
[07:18] <mnssk> I Have my Xorg.0.log, xorg.conf and ddcprobe output.... can anyone tell me why my Dell Inspiron is not showing anything up when X is started ? (console works)
[07:18] <tritium> sockpuppe1, up to you
[07:18] <sockpuppe1> will it cause a problem?
[07:18] <tritium> penticlex, install java-package, and use make-jpkg
[07:18] <mnssk> hi there : need help badly !!
[07:18] <johndarkhorse> chibifs: it's generally a bad idea to mix debian repos with ubuntu
[07:18] <tritium> sockpuppe1, are you using hoary or breezy?
[07:18] <mnssk> I Have my Xorg.0.log, xorg.conf and ddcprobe output.... can anyone tell me why my Dell Inspiron is not showing anything up when X is started ? (console works)
[07:18] <sockpuppe1> hoary
[07:19] <tritium> sockpuppe1, that sounds strange to me
[07:19] <eggdrop408> does anyone know where i can get a freeshell
[07:19] <Madpilot> penticlex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaAMD64 might help (I don't run 64 myself...)
[07:19] <mnssk> hi there
[07:19] <mnssk> anyone up for some help here..
[07:19] <sockpuppe1> what should I do tritium
[07:19] <adwait> hello all
[07:20] <tritium> sockpuppe1, it's up to you, dude
[07:20] <mnssk> dell inspirion 6000 with Ubunty Hoary
[07:20] <eggdrop408> hello adwait
[07:20] <eggdrop408> does anyone know?
[07:20] <chibifs> johndarkhorse - Well aware, but you sounded like you were trying to tell him his computer would burst into flames. :P
[07:20] <sockpuppe1> as i asked before will it screw anything up
[07:20] <eggdrop408> where i can get a shell
[07:20] <tritium> eggdrop408, please don't repeat
[07:20] <eggdrop408> sorry tritium
[07:20] <jack-> wrong place to ask, anyway
[07:21] <tritium> indeed
[07:21] <pestilence> so how do ubuntu users deal with resizing ntfs partitions?
[07:21] <johndarkhorse> chibifs: with some debian pkgs, flames are quick
[07:21] <adwait> eggdrop408: shell? which shell?
[07:21] <pestilence> backup and wipe?  is there no better way?
[07:21] <jack-> free shells for eggdrops arent available anymore
[07:21] <mnssk> pestilence, was waiting for you.... i have got all the stuff ready now
[07:21] <jack-> :~
[07:21] <dazvid> eggdrop408, you could try the beach :)
[07:21] <pestilence> mnssk: did it work?
[07:21] <eggdrop408> lol
[07:21] <adwait> hehe
[07:21] <dazvid> or just applications > system tools > terminal
[07:21] <mnssk> pestilence,  no :(
[07:21] <eggdrop408> i mean a linux shell
[07:21] <eggdrop408> who here has a linux server?
[07:21] <dazvid> eggdrop408,  or just applications > system tools > terminal
[07:21] <adwait> eggdrop408: as in bash, csh, tcsh?
[07:21] <johndarkhorse> pestilence: he wants a shell account
[07:21] <mnssk> pestilence,  i have my xorg.0.log, ddcprobe output, and xorg.conf,... can you just take a look
[07:21] <jack-> getting a free shell is a matter of trust, dude
[07:21] <adwait> eggdrop408: u can apt-get that
[07:22] <adwait> ooh
[07:22] <Milk_> Good evenin
[07:22] <tritium> eggdrop408, what are you wanting to do with a shell account?
[07:22] <Milk_> does anyone here have experiance with EXIM?
[07:22] <pestilence> johndarkhorse: i don't understand.
[07:22] <eggdrop408> i want to host a non profit organization website
[07:22] <adwait> i believe, i had found a free shell account someplace................google it
[07:22] <pestilence> mnssk: sure, put it on the ubuntu pastebin
[07:22] <jack-> exim sucks, use postfix? ;)
[07:22] <mnssk> pestilence, okay sure
[07:22] <transparentdream> Ok, why isn't Totem working?
[07:22] <eggdrop408> tritium, sorry...i want to host a nonporfit organization site
[07:22] <transparentdream> It says resource busy
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> pestilence: a shell account is an account for you on someone elses box (for development, eggdrop, etc)
[07:22] <transparentdream> never did that before
[07:23] <adwait> transparentdream: maybe u can change its output plugin to something else?
[07:23] <jack-> eggdrop408: just rent a shell, its damn cheap
[07:23] <eggdrop408> i do not have money jack
[07:23] <transparentdream> adwait: what do you mean? How do i do that?
[07:23] <jack-> get a few of your buddies to sponsor a dollar, done
[07:23] <mnssk> pestilence,  can you tell me where the paste bin is..
[07:23] <pestilence> johndarkhorse: who?
[07:23] <transparentdream> See I just installed Mplayer
[07:23] <snausages> i dont understand where i can get the md5 files to verify my iso >:\
[07:23] <pestilence> mnssk: see /topic
[07:23] <transparentdream> and NEITHER work now
[07:23] <h08817> how do i play a windows media file in linux
[07:23] <eggdrop408> no one has one that they could let me use
[07:23] <eggdrop408> totem
[07:23] <h08817> or a realplayer file
[07:23] <adwait> transparentdream: umm........i don't really run totem, but i should be there somewhere in its menun
[07:23] <johndarkhorse> pestilence: n/m someone in here just asked for one
[07:24] <Agrajag> play a realplayer file in realplayer
[07:24] <mnssk> pestilence, in www.ubuntulinux.org only right ?
[07:24] <tritium> eggdrop408, please don't be asking for free shell accounts in here
[07:24] <transparentdream> adwait: totem doesnt even load up...
[07:24] <Milk_> h08817, you need the gstreamer plugins
[07:24] <eggdrop408> tritium, go to hell
[07:24] <Madpilot> !tell h08817 about mp3
[07:24] <eggdrop408> u dont own this
[07:24] <pestilence> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:24] <pestilence> it's in the /topic
[07:24] <mnssk> pestilence, ok
[07:25] <adwait> transparentdream: try totem --disable-sound
[07:25] <mrichman> where can i find repositories with mplayer skins?
[07:25] <pestilence> mnssk: are you back in windows now?  i would suggest staying in ubuntu while you are trying to figure this out, it's easier.  a good command line client for irc is irssi
[07:25] <jack-> mrichman: you cant, just google them, unpack them manually
[07:26] <jack-> same for most other skins/themes
[07:26] <mrichman> ok
[07:26] <Madpilot> tritium: so much for eggdrop's "u don't own this"... ;)
[07:26] <jack-> some of ubuntu's theme managers work with archives, just give it a try
[07:26] <johndarkhorse> Madpilot: he just didnt see us for our sheeps clothing, heh
[07:26] <tritium> oh well...
[07:26] <jack-> drop .tgz on window, maybe it works
[07:27] <adwait> jack-: infact, many will only accept archives
[07:27] <mnssk> pestilence, okay...i will download it and try
[07:27] <Madpilot> johndarkhorse: stealth op'ing can be amusing to watch
[07:27] <mnssk> pestilence, if i get a hope that this can be solved, i am ready to do anything !!
[07:27] <mrichman> jack-++ thanks
[07:27] <Milk_> does anyone here have experiance with EXIM?
[07:27] <jack-> np :)
[07:27] <J2Dope> on ubuntu i can ping sites like google.com , but i can't browse them in firefox. any idea whats up?
[07:28] <jack-> milk_ yes, but honestly, i prefer postfix a lot meanwhile
[07:28] <mnssk> pestilence, i will download irssi and go to ubuntu
[07:28] <jack-> exim can die for all i care
[07:28] <mnssk> pestilence, i have pasted it in paste bin..
[07:28] <adwait> J2Dope: is your resolv.conf ok?
[07:28] <mnssk> pestilence, it says operation timed out :(
[07:28] <mnssk> pestilence, done
[07:29] <Milk_> jack-, have you ever encountered "Temporary Local Problem: Try again Later"
[07:29] <pestilence> mnssk: what timed out?  you should  install irssi from within ubuntu.... apt-get install irssi-text
[07:29] <jack-> might be a diskspace issue milk_
[07:29] <mnssk> pestilence, done
[07:29] <pestilence> mnssk: ok.
[07:29] <jack-> make sure all the queue dirs have space
[07:29] <Milk_> hrm...
[07:29] <mnssk> pestilence, its in paste...1882
[07:29] <Milk_> let me check
[07:30] <Georgiepoo> Could someone let me know what the process multiload-apple is and why it has so pleasantly decided to use approx 20 percent of my cpu?
[07:30] <mnssk> pestilence, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1882
[07:30] <Cashel> re howdies.... anyone happen to have the file hsfcompat_24-1.0d.tar.gz stored somewhere? Could ya send it to me?
[07:30] <mnssk> pestilence, the problem is, i could not get my wireless working in ubuntu
[07:30] <Milk_> jack-, the general disk is fine.. how can I chec the que dirs?
[07:30] <transparentdream> Totem could not start up - resource busy or not available
[07:30] <mnssk> pestilence, so..i am sticking on to windows for internet..then a fat32 partition for saving, then mounting it in ubuntu and debugging..
[07:30] <jack-> i dont remember the paths, check your conf..
[07:31] <jack-> /var/something iirc
[07:31] <jack-> make sure they have write permissions (for the exim user) and space
[07:31] <pestilence> mnssk: oh.
[07:31] <jack-> no quotas and stuff
[07:31] <pestilence> mnssk: sounds like you're on the edge :)
[07:31] <snausages> how do i use md5sum to verify the file before i burn it? i dont see any md5 to be downloaded... except one or two, but i dont know how to use them.
[07:31] <mnssk> pestilence, having a tuff time :( .. was on it since 48 hours solid
[07:31] <mnssk> pestilence, :D
[07:31] <transparentdream> can someone help me? I installed Mplayer, and not neither Mplayer OR Totem works!
[07:32] <Milk_> hrm... I dont' see it
[07:32] <Madpilot> snausages: which OS you using right now?
[07:32] <mnssk> pestilence, i dont know if anyone got it working on dell inspiron 6000 ....
[07:32] <snausages> Madpilot, xp
[07:32] <mnssk> pestilence, btw, i tried fedora core 4..did not work .. then debian .. did not work .. and then this ubuntu..not working !!
[07:32] <tritium> Madpilot, :)
[07:33] <Madpilot> snausages: ask mr. google, I'm not sure how to generate & check md5 in XP
[07:33] <transparentdream> can someone help me? I installed Mplayer, and not neither Mplayer OR Totem works!
[07:33] <mnssk> pestilence, checking it out ?
[07:33] <pestilence> mnssk: i see this:  (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
[07:33] <jack-> transparentdream: here's a workaround, just get vlc
[07:33] <pestilence> mnssk: maybe you need to change the line in xorg.conf to 0:2:1 ?
[07:33] <transparentdream> for linux? Where?
[07:33] <mnssk> pestilence, yeah yeah..thats the problem i guess..but dont know what to do..
[07:33] <snausages> Madpilot, i did. i even have a program that verifies md5's i just dont see any md5 files to be downloaded from the ubuntu website that i can use to verify the iso
[07:33] <jack-> doesnt fix mplayer or totem, but gives you a great player
[07:33] <firebird619> Can anyone suggest a program to download so I can tune and listen to radio stations from my TV Tuner Card?
[07:33] <Milk_> exit
[07:33] <jack-> in debian/stable, for example
[07:33] <transparentdream> well yea
[07:34] <mnssk> mnssk, ooooooooppsssss!!        i should have showed you my lspci output right ??
[07:34] <pestilence> mnssk: did you try editing xorg.conf?
[07:34] <transparentdream> where can I get it, and how can I get limewire to use it?
[07:34] <mnssk> pestilence, yeah i did try !! a lot !! i did almost all possible things that i knew with xorg.conf..
[07:34] <jack-> videolan.org/download
[07:34] <Madpilot> snausages: most of the U mirrors I've used have an "md5sum" directory, I think
[07:34] <mnssk> pestilence, also..i should have given you my lspci output
[07:34] <mnssk> pestilence, now i need to go back to ubuntu :)
[07:34] <pestilence> mnssk: with the change i suggested?
[07:35] <mnssk> pestilence, the bus ID change ?
[07:35] <jack-> set the default app for .avi etc to vlc using the gui
[07:35] <jack-> then limewire will know it too
[07:35] <transparentdream> kthx
[07:35] <pestilence> mnssk: and, you gave the head of the log, the tail would be much more useful (it got truncated)
[07:35] <mnssk> pestilence, thats the one thing that I did not change... cuz i did not know what to do with it..
[07:35] <pestilence> mnssk: the line that says BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
[07:35] <mnssk> pestilence, i have it..i can give you..did not know that it got truncated....
[07:35] <pestilence> change it to BusID "PCI:0:2:1"
[07:35] <snausages> Madpilot, i dont see any directories, except a file without an extension and another .gpg http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[07:36] <mnssk> pestilence, oh...would that help ?
[07:36] <pestilence> mnssk: i'm not sure, but it's worth a shot ;)
[07:36] <mnssk> pestilence, cuz i need to boot back into linux and try
[07:36] <dazvid> asl
[07:36] <mnssk> pestilence, and then come back to report u
[07:36] <pestilence> mnssk: as i pointed out, you have a warning about that in the xorg log
[07:36] <mnssk> pestilence, i have seen that...and withwhatever i do i could not get it clean
[07:36] <h17m4n> another question about opera
[07:36] <h17m4n> is it available in a 64 bit deb?
[07:36] <mnssk> pestilence, however, see.. my winodws gave me the same infor 0:2:0 about the bus
[07:37] <Madpilot> snausages: scroll down, open the file called "MD5SUMS"
[07:37] <mnssk> pestilence, sent the complete log
[07:37] <snausages> Madpilot, and then?
[07:37] <johndarkhorse> h17m4n: try galeon for your web browsing
[07:38] <jack-> firefox <3
[07:38] <mnssk> pestilence, sent the complete log at 1883
[07:38] <pestilence> mnssk: ok
[07:38] <Shorty`> mm
[07:38] <Shorty`> breezy is sexy
[07:38] <Shorty`> just a tad buggy ;)
[07:39] <Madpilot> snausages: that file has the md5sums you need to compare your download to
[07:39] <bytefoo> a tad lol ;X
[07:39] <snausages> Madpilot, yes. and how would i do that?
[07:40] <Madpilot> snausages: however it's done in XP - I can't even remember how to do it in Ubuntu right now, sorry! google should help there
[07:40] <pestilence> mnssk: it truncates the log.  you have to paste just the last 2100 lines or so
[07:40] <mnssk> pestilence, okay i will do that
[07:41] <johndarkhorse> snausages: go to www.freewarehome.com and search for md5
[07:42] <mnssk> pestilence, the last lines are there
[07:42] <firebird_619> Can anyone suggest a program for listening to the radio through a TV Tuner Card?
[07:42] <Madpilot> snausages: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html  - has XP info
[07:42] <mnssk> pestilence, please chk them out
[07:42] <pestilence> mnssk: here's how you get your wireless going
[07:42] <pestilence> mnssk: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[07:42] <jack-> firebird_619: xmms, or vlc
[07:42] <Madpilot> back later, all. need to get food.
[07:42] <pestilence> mnssk: i followed that for my ipw2200, works great (although mine also worked with the default kernel, but didn't support network scanning)
[07:43] <mnssk> pestilence, okay thats a great bit of help. but can I scan for networks and choose one of them ??
[07:43] <firebird_619> jack-, I tried the plugin for xmms to listen to radio and it says to find a .fmr file and edit it to scan for stations and then open the file. Do you know where I can find what exactly to put in the .fmr file to have it scan for the stations?
[07:43] <Cashel> hsfcompat_24-1.0d.tar.gz? Anyone?
[07:44] <pef> hi
[07:45] <pestilence> mnssk: i can, using the instructions on that page.  it's not quite as slick in linux as it is in windows, but if you are willing to tinker, kismet is good.
[07:45] <jack-> firebird_619: no idea what a .fmr file looks like :)
[07:45] <mnssk> pestilence, i will try that out... no probs
[07:45] <firebird_619> jack-, ok, thanks
[07:45] <h17m4n> when I dl a tarball, I have to tar it, make, and make install?
[07:45] <mushtaq> hi i have configured a static ip address on my pc i have provided DNS IP Gateway but still i cannot access the network
[07:45] <jack-> check it out using a texteditor
[07:45] <mnssk> pestilence, atleast this much of a pointer is good enough... but  monitor thing is quite far from reality !!
[07:45] <jack-> i bet you'll see
[07:45] <mushtaq> while the other pc that has been configured at boot is working
[07:45] <pestilence> mnssk: did you try the vesa driver?
[07:45] <mushtaq> i dont know where to add the group name ?
[07:46] <pestilence> mnssk: it sounds like that will work right away, but won't give optimal speed or 3d support
[07:46] <mushtaq> or is there any other reason ? which can effect ?
[07:46] <mnssk> pestilence, i tried it. but i am not sure if i did it corectly
[07:46] <mnssk> pestilence, i dont care about any support now :)), just want to see my gnome running !!
[07:46] <chillywilly> bah, ym cron job won't run
[07:46] <chillywilly> my*
[07:47] <mnssk> pestilence, can u just help me out with writing the vesa xorg ??
[07:47] <chillywilly> I set it to run every minute and still don't see shit in syslog
[07:47] <mushtaq> i can ping to that pc even
[07:47] <firebird_619> jack-, there isn't any .fmr files on my system to check out.
[07:47] <chillywilly> erm, anything ;)
[07:47] <pestilence> mnssk: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1885
[07:47] <pestilence> mnssk: also try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1886
[07:48] <pestilence> mnssk: and http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1887
[07:48] <mnssk> pestilence, sure i will try them
[07:48] <jack-> use google to find any radio station, check if they offer .fmr files
[07:48] <jack-> thats what i'd do, i guess
[07:48] <jack-> (thats how i found out about the simple structure of .pls btw, too..d'oh)
[07:48] <pepsi> what does the "Save current setup" checkbox do in the logout window?
[07:48] <mnssk> pestilence, so..shall I try them and then boot back ?? :)
[07:49] <pestilence> mnssk: sure.  make sure you copy over the xorg log if it fails
[07:49] <mnssk> pestilence,  i will do that..for each one of them
[07:49] <johndarkhorse> pepsi: it leaves all the programs open at the place you were at when you logged off
[07:50] <pestilence> mnssk: you can just do an "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" instead of rebooting
[07:50] <pestilence> from a command line
[07:51] <pepsi> oh... thats pretty speffy
[07:51] <pepsi> spiff even
[07:51] <pepsi> gah
[07:51] <mnssk> pestilence, what would that give me ?? like...to get out of X..i can use ctrl+alt+bsp right ?
[07:51] <kevogod> Is Evolution buggy on Exchange for anyone else besides me?
[07:52] <pestilence> mnssk: no, ctrl+alt+F1
[07:52] <alex_theosxuser> hello
[07:52] <pestilence> mnssk: ctrl+alt+bsp will try to restart X
[07:52] <mnssk> pestilence, okay..and ctrl+alt+F1 and then what ?? just close gdm ?
[07:52] <pepsi> evolution is always buggy with everything :)
[07:52] <pestilence> mnssk: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:52] <pepsi> just dont poke it too hard and it will cooperate
[07:52] <mnssk> pestilence, yeah yeah..but what would that do ?
[07:52] <pestilence> mnssk: restart gdm
[07:53] <alex_theosxuser> guys does anyone no why ubunu won't boot anymore with 2.6.13 kernel?
[07:53] <kevogod> What's a good alternative for Evolution that supports Exchange?
[07:53] <mnssk> pestilence, i understand that..but whats it gonna give us now ? you said "instead of rebooting" right ?? i need to come back to windows right ?
[07:54] <jack-> you will, just do it
[07:54] <bur[n] er> kevogod: none i've found... evolution is hte best... lately I've been using remote desktop straight to my exchang server though to use outlook :\
[07:54] <bur[n] er> aww
[07:54] <pestilence> mnssk: oh, i meant if the first xorg.conf doesn't work.  then you can try the 2nd and the 3rd without rebooting
[07:54] <mnssk> pestilence, yeah yeah..okays sure !!
[07:55] <mnssk> pestilence, that i had been doing already by killing xserver..:)
[07:55] <mnssk> pestilence, i am just doubting if i should try for wireless also now itself..but i think no! i will postpone it..
[07:55] <pestilence> mnssk: k
[07:55] <chillywilly> can anyone help? I have a file in /etc/cron.d and I have * * * * * root <command> but I don't see cron running it in /var/log/syslog...what the heck is going on?
[07:56] <alex_theosxuser> would anyone like to answer my question???
[07:56] <Bubblefly> How can I do a crc check on a file?
[07:56] <jack-> alex, if anyone would know
[07:56] <jack-> he prolly would answer :p
[07:56] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, did you compile it yourself?
[07:56] <alex_theosxuser> I guess so :)
[07:56] <alex_theosxuser> yes
[07:56] <alex_theosxuser> and it went fine
[07:56] <h17m4n> I did a apt-get install d4x, but there's not icon for it under Applications... how do I add one?
[07:57] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, and what's happening?  Did you add an entry to /boot/grub/menu.lst and run sudo update-grub ?
[07:57] <alex_theosxuser> I don't even see grub
[07:57] <tritium> on boot?
[07:57] <alex_theosxuser> but there is an entry in yaboot.conf
[07:57] <tritium> oh, you're on a mac...
[07:58] <alex_theosxuser> yes
[07:58] <jack-> :)
[07:58] <jack-> whats wrong with darwin? hehe
[07:58] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, not sure
[07:58] <alex_theosxuser> I choose 'linux' which is 2.6.13 and it then says welcome to linux but this is it
[07:58] <johndarkhorse> alex_theosxuser: i missed your question
[07:59] <Riskbreaker9> quick question, what exactly do you do wiith a *.run file? (this is probably going to end up being the stupidest question i've asked)
[07:59] <alex_theosxuser> johndarkhorse, oh the ubuntu win't boot anymore
[07:59] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, perhaps you didn't compile in a necessary option
[07:59] <alex_theosxuser> I followed the HOWTO from ubuntuforums
[07:59] <johndarkhorse> alex_theosxuser: is it a kernel from the repos?
[07:59] <alex_theosxuser> no
[07:59] <alex_theosxuser> from kernel.org
[07:59] <alex_theosxuser> I used --initrd option too
[07:59] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, why not just use an ubuntu kernel?
[08:00] <alex_theosxuser> fon't know :)
[08:00] <jack-> are there ppc repos too? wow
[08:00] <bob2> if it won't boot, it's almost certainly because you misconfigured it
[08:00] <johndarkhorse> alex_theosxuser: i recommend you get into your yaboot and point it at a kernel that runs
[08:00] <bob2> why do you need 2.6.13?
[08:00] <johndarkhorse> alex_theosxuser: and then d/l hte kernel sources and patches from the repos
[08:00] <alex_theosxuser> bob2, to get working sound
[08:00] <Riskbreaker9> like, i was trying to download the Unreal Tournament 2004 demo, for shits and giggles. i doubleclick the run file and it just brings up a large text file.
[08:00] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, is it a G5?
[08:00] <Riskbreaker9> what am i supposed to do?
[08:00] <alex_theosxuser> no, mac mini G4
[08:01] <Agrajag> Riskbreaker9: open a terminal, chmod +x whatever.run
[08:01] <johndarkhorse> alex_theosxuser: sound should work on the mini
[08:01] <bob2> Riskbreaker9: it really had no instructions at all on place you got it from?
[08:01] <alex_theosxuser> yes, with the new 2.6.13 kernel
[08:01] <alex_theosxuser> johndarkhorse
[08:01] <bob2> alex_theosxuser: use the ubuntu .config with it, and only change the one sound option you need
[08:01] <Riskbreaker9> nope, non
[08:01] <Agrajag> Riskbreaker9: what
[08:01] <bob2> 2.6.13 may or may not actualy work on hoary, tho
[08:02] <bob2> gven the whole udev thing
[08:02] <Agrajag> Riskbreaker9: run it from the terminal then, ./whatever.run
[08:02] <Riskbreaker9> no directions, in reponse to bob. sorry.
[08:02] <Agrajag> oh
[08:02] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, did you try building newer alsa modules first?
[08:02] <Riskbreaker9> i'll try what you told me
[08:02] <alex_theosxuser> no
[08:02] <alex_theosxuser> tritium
[08:02] <alex_theosxuser> tritium. I didn't
[08:02] <Riskbreaker9> okay, i typed in the chmod command. should i have gotten a message?
[08:03] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, you might consider that rather than a new kernel
[08:03] <bob2> no
[08:03] <dabaR> hi
[08:03] <Riskbreaker9> what exactly does that do then
[08:03] <Agrajag> that makes the files executable
[08:03] <bob2> it makes the file executable
[08:03] <Agrajag> er, file
[08:03] <alex_theosxuser> tritium, I have just installed alsa driver and library
[08:04] <Riskbreaker9> ohh
[08:04] <bob2> alex_theosxuser: dude
[08:04] <Riskbreaker9> i see. now should i try ./ ?
[08:04] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, what package names?
[08:04] <penticlex> got it working Sun doesnt make the 64 bit w/ the browser plugin
[08:04] <alex_theosxuser> tritium, but it throws an error when try to open alsamixer
[08:04] <bob2> installing libraries like that from source is a bad idea
[08:04] <Agrajag> Riskbreaker9: yeah
[08:04] <alex_theosxuser> why?
[08:04] <Agrajag> it should run
[08:04] <Riskbreaker9> ah
[08:04] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know of a software package for Linux that is like Dragon Talk in Windows - you know, let's you talk, and it'll input text?
[08:04] <Riskbreaker9> thanks a lot, it's running
[08:04] <Riskbreaker9> that's weird, why do you have to use a command to make something executable?
[08:04] <bob2> er, because you're overwriting core stuff that came with ubuntu?
[08:04] <bob2> and may or may not be compatible
[08:05] <alex_theosxuser> alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a.tar.bz2, alsa-lib-1.0.9rc4.tar.bz2
[08:05] <penticlex> you dont
[08:05] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: you mean voice recognition.  try freshmeat.
[08:05] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, no, that's not what I meant for you to do
[08:05] <bob2> alex_theosxuser: really not a good idea
[08:05] <alex_theosxuser> realy?
[08:05] <bob2> yes
[08:05] <bob2> also, it doesn't actally help you
[08:05] <alex_theosxuser> oh damn
[08:06] <penticlex> .0
[08:06] <Georgiepoo> Anyone know if it is possible to recover where you left off in a long apt-get install if the computer locked up during the download?
[08:06] <bob2> Georgiepoo: sure, apt does it automagically
[08:07] <Georgiepoo> bob2, ewww.  apt isn't doign it for me.  Its starting all over from the beginning
[08:07] <alex_theosxuser> tritium, so what did you mean I should do?
[08:07] <bob2> Georgiepoo: are yo usure?
[08:07] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, how is sound not working, first of all?
[08:07] <Georgiepoo> bob2, Pretty sure.  Let me check again just in case
[08:08] <johndarkhorse> Georgiepoo: apt will start from the pkg where it was interupted
[08:08] <robertbb> hmmm.. cfdisk gives me a fatal error
[08:08] <bob2> Georgiepoo: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[08:08] <alex_theosxuser> tritium, well I go to system->prefs->sound and try to play any sound and there is no sound :)
[08:08] <Riskbreaker9> so is this standard procedure whenever i get a run file?
[08:08] <dazvid> what programs does everyone use to play MP3's ?
[08:09] <dazvid> XMMS ? or something differnet?
[08:09] <bob2> Riskbreaker9: read the instructions, generally
[08:09] <bob2> dazvid: I like cplay
[08:09] <Riskbreaker9> ah
[08:09] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, can you tell me if you see any files in /proc/asound?
[08:09] <Georgiepoo> bob2, its empty except for the packages it has started redownloading from the beginning
[08:09] <bob2> Riskbreaker9: if not, trying to run it like above
[08:09] <mnssk> pestilence, i am back !!
[08:09] <dazvid> Righto, will google it. Are there any others to check out?
[08:10] <mnssk> pestilence, none of them worked :(
[08:10] <bob2> cplay's in ubuntu, of course
[08:10] <Riskbreaker9> excellent. thanks a lot
[08:10] <alex_theosxuser> tritium. yes I do, cards  devices  modules  oss  pcm  seq  timers  version
[08:10] <tritium> alex_theosxuser, did you check the mixer to make sure things aren't simply muted?
[08:11] <alex_theosxuser> tritium, I did type alsamixer, but it said 'function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device'
[08:11] <tritium> I see...
[08:11] <pestilence> mnssk: bummer.
[08:11] <bob2> why do you think you need 2.6.13?
[08:11] <alex_theosxuser> tritium, is there any othe mixers??
[08:12] <Georgiepoo> Ah well.  I'll just wait a few more days until I get cable back.  Trying to download 60+ megs on dial-up is painful
[08:12] <pestilence> mnssk: put the logs on pastebin, maybe somebody can help
[08:12] <johndarkhorse> bob2: alex_theosxuser wants sound on his ubuntuized mac mini
[08:12] <alex_theosxuser> heh yeah :)
[08:12] <bob2> yes, I know
[08:13] <bob2> why do you thin kthat requires 2.6.13?
[08:13] <alex_theosxuser> bob2, on the ubuntuforums they reckon I should install 2.6.13 and the newest alsa
[08:13] <bob2> the forums say lots of things
[08:13] <bob2> many of which are highly misleading and/or completely wrong
[08:13] <alex_theosxuser> bob2, I know :)
[08:13] <mnssk> pestilence, :)) okay..!! let me tell u one interesting thing
[08:14] <mnssk> pestilence, even if i used the conf with bus id 0:2:1, the error still says cannot find a suitable whatever for 0:2:0
[08:14] <alex_theosxuser> johndarkhorse,  bob2 what are the other mixer I could unmute?
[08:14] <pestilence> mnssk: strange.
[08:14] <mnssk> pestilence, i was using the correct file all the time
[08:14] <bob2> alex_theosxuser: have you read dmesg yet to see if there's a driver loaded for it or not?
[08:15] <pestilence> mnssk: you could try breezy's xorg...there may be better support for your laptop in breezy
[08:15] <bob2> this mixer thing is getting way ahead of yourself
[08:15] <mnssk> pestilence, one question: did anyone install ubuntu on inspiron 6000 ?
[08:15] <pestilence> mnssk: just a quick search of the forum says yes.
[08:15] <alex_theosxuser> bob2, I am not sure how to do that :)
[08:15] <mnssk> mnssk: okay surely !! just gimme the link of the breezy thing
[08:15] <bob2> put your /var/log/dmesg up somewhere then
[08:17] <pestilence> mnssk: can't really help you with breezy...should involve changing lines in /etc/apt/sources.list from hoary to breezy, then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade...but not sure if there is an official installer for breezy
[08:17] <pestilence> mnssk: search the wiki
[08:18] <bob2> there is indeed
[08:18] <robertbb> Is there a gui utility for disk management under Ubuntu?
[08:18] <pestilence> robertbb: yes, it is gqparted i believe
[08:19] <jack-> dpkg-deb: baue Paket avifile-xvid-plugin in ../avifile-xvid-plugin_<IP_ADDRESS>30710-1.2_i386.deb.
[08:19] <jack->         dpkg-deb --build debian/avifile-divx-plugin ..
[08:19] <robertbb> Not installed by default though right?
[08:19] <jack-> but how can i install it now?
[08:19] <robertbb> cfdisk cracks the shits...
[08:19] <pestilence> robertbb: no, don't think
[08:19] <robertbb> gives a fatal error
[08:19] <bob2> pasting things in english is a lot easier
[08:19] <Cashel> hsfcompat_24-1.0d.tar.gz? Anyone?
[08:19] <mnssk> okays..will try that out
[08:19] <jack-> E: Package avifile-xvid-plugin has no installation candidate
[08:19] <mnssk> pestilence, thanx alot
[08:19] <jack-> :(
[08:19] <bob2> Cashel: is that a question?
[08:19] <mnssk> pestilence, i willg et to sleep now and try that later
[08:19] <pestilence> mnssk: catch 22...you need an internet connection.
[08:20] <bob2> jack-: a) paste things in #flood, not here, b) in english
[08:20] <pestilence> mnssk: sure.  good luck
[08:20] <mnssk> pestilence, :)) so i will set up my wireless tomorrow
[08:20] <jack-> sorry bob2
[08:20] <mnssk> pestilence, and then try apt-get and breezy...let me see if life gets any better
[08:20] <mnssk> pestilence, goodnight then
[08:21] <Cashel> bob2: Yeah does anyone have that file? Need it to get online in linux...
[08:21] <jack-> anyway, to sum it up..i build-deped it, went fine, but how can i install it now? apt-get install still says doesnt exist
[08:21] <jack-> how can i let apt "know" about the pkgs i built?
[08:22] <bob2> Cashel: what did google say?
[08:22] <bob2> jack-: apt-get install is never going to work, unless you configure apt to know about it
[08:22] <bob2> jack-: just use dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:22] <Cashel> bob2: only place that had it is no longer around...
[08:22] <jack-> ok
[08:22] <jack-> how should i configure apt to know its own local db?
[08:23] <bob2> jack-: don't, just use dpkg
[08:23] <jack-> want things to work smoothly, including the gui pkg managers :/
[08:23] <gjoemmie> llo there
[08:23] <bob2> jack-: yes, install it with dpkg
[08:23] <jack-> ok
[08:23] <gjoemmie> I'm looking for a good movie/music downloading program...
[08:23] <gjoemmie> anyone has an idea?
[08:24] <bytefoo> i wonder if ubuntu will support this.. http://atomchip.com/_wsn/page4.html
[08:24] <bob2> violating copyright is off-topic here
[08:24] <gjoemmie> where is it on-topic?
[08:24] <bob2> no idea
[08:25] <bob2> bytefoo: no-name laptops tend to have broken acpi and such
[08:25] <bob2> if it does work, put a report on the wiki
[08:27] <bytefoo> it's not available yet
[08:30] <penticlex> wow my java works great now
[08:31] <penticlex> does any one know how to get the greeter to show Icons next to my name list
[08:32] <tritium> penticlex, did you choose the graphical greeter with a face browser?
[08:32] <penticlex> yup\
[08:32] <tritium> penticlex, that should do it.  Next time you restart gdm, it should work
[08:32] <dabaR> icons like what?
[08:33] <dabaR> pictures?
[08:33] <penticlex> and the only faces have ? in them
[08:33] <chibifs> penticlex - Wait for breezy
[08:33] <penticlex> ya I cons that I can customise
[08:33] <dabaR> you want real faces...no need, chibifs ...
[08:33] <dabaR> just a sec.
[08:34] <chibifs> dabaR - Just reffering to the tool for gnome-user-stuff. Not sure if it's been ported back yet.
[08:36] <dabaR> penticlex: well, in this case...you would have to run gdmphotosetup as the user you are trying to set up a picture for. if you know the password, you can su userName in the terminal. Not tested that tho.
[08:37] <kevogod> Would someone like to help me setup a VPN connection on Ubuntu or at least direct me to a good walkthrough?
[08:37] <gjoemmie> can anyone explain to me how I can download and install new programs to ubuntu?
[08:37] <gjoemmie> plz?
[08:38] <dabaR> dont send messages with no content, like plz...
[08:38] <bob2> kevogod: you need to be more specific
[08:38] <esc_ape> gjoemmie - use synaptic
[08:38] <bob2> about what sort of VPN you want
[08:38] <jack-> gjoemmie: "system" menu, system admin->synaptic
[08:38] <bob2> gjoemmie: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:38] <penticlex> cool it worked
[08:39] <dabaR> penticlex: you doubted me?!heh
[08:39] <gjoemmie> tnx Ill check it out!
[08:39] <penticlex> hehe
[08:39] <dabaR> You know, I stumbled across that when I was using debian...
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> the ubuntu homepage has some very well done docs and beginner guides
[08:40] <kevogod> For a Microsoft setup
[08:41] <spear-north> hi !
[08:41] <bob2> kevogod: PPTP?
[08:41] <kevogod> Yes
[08:41] <dryhump> Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Belkin G wireless NIC with ubuntu and/or any distro of linux?
[08:41] <kevogod> I do believe so
[08:42] <bob2> dryhump: not specific enough, you'd need an exact model number or to find out what chipset it uses
[08:42] <penticlex> it wont work if I sudo to another user
[08:42] <bob2> I'd not be surprised in he least if belkin used some moronic undocumented chipset, tho
[08:43] <spear-north> Do you know a webpage where utilities are compared with screenshots, resumes ... ie, where you can have an idea of most of the audio players available ???
[08:43] <dryhump> bob2: 811 54g
[08:43] <dryhump> bob2: where would I look?
[08:43] <dryhump> i mean 802
[08:44] <bob2> "802 54g" is the model number?
[08:44] <penticlex> belkins use the same chipset s netgear
[08:44] <penticlex> s= as
[08:44] <dryhump> penticlex, it was weird b/c ubuntu did not read it during install...
[08:44] <dryhump> I heard the belkin used the boradcom chipset so therrefore lionux wouldnt work with the 802.11 g model
[08:45] <dryhump> i wanted to make sure that was true
[08:45] <bob2> dryhump: what's the model number?
[08:45] <dryhump> bob2, one sec
[08:45] <dryhump> f5d7010
[08:46] <dabaR> penticlex: did I say sudo? i meant su
[08:46] <dryhump> 802.11 G
[08:46] <dryhump> those are the numbers that I have
[08:46] <gjoemmie> anyone knows how I can add new subtitles to movies?
[08:46] <penticlex> no you said su I just mad the typo
[08:46] <dryhump> I was hoping there was a way to get Ubuntu to recognize the NIC
[08:47] <dabaR> I know I said that...
[08:47] <bob2> dryhump: ndiswrapper might work
[08:47] <bob2> dryhump: is too late to exchange it for a better supported one., tho?
[08:47] <dryhump> yes
[08:47] <spear-north> so no idea about that kind of webpage ?
[08:47] <dryhump> :(
[08:47] <bob2> spear-north: google gave you no results?
[08:47] <dryhump> wtf is ndiswrapper
[08:47] <bob2> I doubt there's any sort of organised website for that
[08:48] <bob2> at least a useful one; it's too easy to just try them out for yourself, instead of letting someone else tell you
[08:48] <spear-north> maybe it's an idea to build such a site, no ?
[08:48] <dabaR> the newusersmultimedia talks about it a little...
[08:48] <dabaR> they all work.
[08:48] <dryhump> dabar, was that for me?
[08:49] <bob2> dryhump: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:49] <dryhump> thanks bob2
[08:49] <bob2> dryhump: but starts from "installing windows drivers"
[08:49] <spear-north> for " mr newbie " or even anyone who wonders " what exists to record cds, watch movies or listen to music "
[08:49] <dryhump> Hm...
[08:50] <dabaR> dryhump: for you...stfw:P
[08:50] <Madpilot> spear-north: you could do something like that in the Ubuntu wiki
[08:50] <dryhump> stfw?
[08:50] <Hentai^NT> laters all
[08:50] <spear-north> with a few screenshots (because design can be important), a resume of the functions ... :)
[08:51] <dabaR> dryhump: the younger brother of rtfm, search the fine web about ndiswrapper.
[08:51] <anomaly> stfw.. I would think... stop the f'ng whining perhaps. heh
[08:52] <Madpilot> spear-north: have a look around the wiki, I think something like that would be useful
[08:52] <dryhump> i didnt think i was whining
[08:52] <anomaly> ah, that too perhaps.
[08:53] <spear-north> i' ll have a look around ! like you said, it can be useful !
[08:53] <anomaly> dryhump I just saw the acronym perchance and got to thinking about it. :)
[08:53] <dryhump> oh ok
[08:53] <dryhump> :P
[08:54] <dazvid> bob2, Does cplay have a GUI? or is console based?
[08:54] <dazvid> is it*
[08:54] <Madpilot> spear-north: there's going to be a bunch of screen-shot heavy docs released along with Breezy in a month or so, some of them could probably fit into a comparision like you're talking about
[08:54] <dabaR> it is nice, tried it?
[08:55] <dabaR> dazvid: ^
[08:55] <dazvid> I have downloaded and installed.. however its not playing my songs -_-
[08:56] <dabaR> you started cplay from console?
[08:57] <spear-north> i think so ! At the final point, even if it's not the objective for now, what i understand, it would maybe be a good idea to settle screenshots in Synaptic and some more important descriptions of functionalities ... the future is probably there
[08:57] <dazvid> Yeh
[08:57] <dazvid> just cplay musicdir/
[08:57] <bob2> dazvid: it's a console application, yes
[08:57] <dazvid> ah ok
[08:57] <bob2> searching the fine web when you have no idea what you're doing can be dangerous
[08:58] <dabaR> bob2: does it need codecs? the libmad/gstreamer?
[08:58] <bob2> you might find a broken howto or something
[08:58] <bob2> dabaR: it shells out to command-line players, like ogg123 and madplay
[08:58] <dabaR> bob2: a question like what is ndiswrapper does need google, tho.
[08:58] <bob2> sure
[08:58] <bob2> but "how do I use ndiswrapper on ubuntu?" will cause problems if googled
[08:58] <bob2> because you'll find the wiki page I pointed someone at
[08:59] <bob2> and it goes through all sorts of crap about rebuilding ndiswrapper modules
[08:59] <bob2> and force-installing them
[09:00] <dabaR> right, I was reading the @ask by apt/#debian referenced page...so I thought it was a good place to use stfw....
[09:00] <bob2> heh
[09:00] <dazvid> dabaR, when in cplay, and playing a song it comes up with a message "Player not found". Does that imply the install failed?
[09:01] <dazvid> or rather, the codecs needed to play mp3's
[09:01] <dabaR> install mpg321 and mpg123
[09:01] <bob2> no codecs
[09:01] <dazvid> ah thanks
[09:02] <dabaR> bob2: why not tell him what to do, it just works here...so I dont know...
[09:02] <bob2> install madplay and ogg123
[09:03] <dazvid> Yeh, Im used to just noobing it in windows.. download 1 program that does it all
[09:03] <dazvid> ala winamp
[09:03] <dabaR> funny that shark guy, and the others talking to him... and the laoye guy swearing...
[09:04] <bob2> well
[09:04] <dabaR> xmms will do that for you...you just got an answer from an advanced user, about the command line program...
[09:04] <bob2> if you use aptitude, it will get it all for you
[09:04] <dabaR> !mp3
[09:04] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:05] <bob2> since cplay Suggests all the bits you need
[09:05] <dabaR> It installed only itself here, I guess I have the other things from before.
[09:05] <dazvid> Thats ok, I want to learn.. its just really different and hard to get used to
[09:05] <dabaR> bob2: aptitude is now the proper cl program to use.
[09:05] <bob2> I think so
[09:06] <bob2> dazvid: as dabaR said, tho, cplay perhaps isn't what you want
[09:06] <dabaR> I mean...I said that as an interesting fact I learned...it says so on the debian site somewhere.
[09:06] <bob2> I like it because I sh to my desktop and run it inside screen, so I can control the music from my laptop
[09:06] <dazvid> Ah.. I see.
[09:07] <dazvid> Well I will keep it anyways :)
[09:07] <spear-north> have a good day, see you !
[09:08] <dabaR> whats so hard about that screen thing...it screws up my irssi session if I open a new terminal tab while using it, and I have still no clue how to use it...any tips or places to look for them, bob2?
[09:08] <bob2> terminal tab?
[09:08] <bob2> in gnome-terminal or in screen?
[09:08] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: search google for "mac osx gems site:macdevcenter.com"
[09:08] <bob2> and how does it screw it up?
[09:09] <dabaR> gnome-terminal,like, ctrl+shift+t, and it just visually gets out of place.
[09:09] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: sorry, its' unix gems site:macdevcenter.com"
[09:09] <dabaR> like, loses sync, so I cant see the previous messages any more.
[09:09] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: switching 'windows' should bring them back
[09:10] <dabaR> good, Ill read that once, thank you.
[09:11] <robertbb> Why is there an rpm directory in /usr/src ?
[09:11] <Ichanz> hi...
[09:12] <Ichanz> can install rpm files on ubuntu ????
[09:12] <Ichanz> can I  install rpm files on ubuntu ????
[09:12] <maximaus> yes
[09:12] <bob2> if you have to
[09:12] <maximaus> alien -i packagename.rpm
[09:12] <bob2> it's better to avoid it if at all possible
[09:13] <Ichanz> i've tried but ... doesnt works ...
[09:13] <bob2> robertbb: the rpm package puts it there
[09:13] <maximaus> certainly don't install vital libraries and stuff like that.
[09:13] <bob2> robertbb: I guess for extracting srpms?
[09:13] <Ichanz> ic
[09:13] <bob2> Ichanz: what did you try to install?
[09:14] <Ichanz> i try to install codeweaver crossover but it comes only with rpm
[09:14] <bob2> that should work fine
[09:15] <Ichanz> hmmm
[09:16] <Ichanz> rpm -i <filenames>  <-- is that correct ????
[09:16] <dabaR> he told you above...alien, not rpm.
[09:16] <Ichanz> ok thx
[09:17] <Ichanz> brb...
[09:19] <robert-in-au> list
[09:20] <robert-in-au> how well does ndiswrapper work?
[09:21] <robert-in-au> hello?
[09:21] <dazvid> robert-in-au,  where in au?
[09:21] <dazvid> :)
[09:21] <robert-in-au> perth
[09:21] <Xanthus7> beside dvd::rip is there any other dvd shrinker
[09:21] <bob2> depends on the card
[09:21] <dazvid> ah, melb here
[09:21] <bob2> it's a horrible hack, tho
[09:21] <bob2> (canberra)
[09:21] <robert-in-au> well i have a dwl-g520+
[09:21] <dazvid> Ah, more aussies lurking
[09:21] <bob2> Xanthus7: there's lots, search using your prefered package management tool
[09:22] <robert-in-au> and the acx100 drivers dont support wpa
[09:22] <Xanthus7> never used that bob how would I do that please
[09:22] <dabaR> im going to sleep...I hope you all had a better week than me:)
[09:23] <bob2> Xanthus7: you've never used a package management tool?
[09:23] <robertbb> How do I get the matching kernel sources for the default Hoary kernel onto my system?
[09:23] <robertbb> They don't seem to appear in Synaptic..
[09:23] <Xanthus7> I have used apt-get is that what you mean
[09:24] <Xanthus7> but package management tool I an sorry not sure what you mean
[09:24] <bob2> apt-cache search dvd rip
[09:24] <johndarkhorse> Xanthus7: synaptic, aptitude, kynaptic, etc are pkg mangling tools
[09:24] <bob2> robertbb: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:24] <Ichanz> dazvid ah, melb here <-- hows chapel st ... i miss the crowd
[09:25] <robert-in-au> well go to "system"
[09:25] <Xanthus7> ok synaptic I understand
[09:25] <robert-in-au> ok
[09:25] <Xanthus7> I had never had heard it called that sorry to sound dumb
[09:25] <robert-in-au> doe ubuntu put kernel sources in different places than other distros
[09:25] <johndarkhorse> Xanthus7: pkg manglers or package managers?
[09:25] <robert-in-au> *does
[09:26] <robertbb> bob2: Is there a reason they don't appear in Synaptic?
[09:26] <antix> robertbb, apt-cache search kernel-source-2.
[09:26] <antix> robertbb, and you get the name if it's there
[09:26] <spiral> hi
[09:26] <robertbb> Will mixing the use of apt-cache / apt-get screw with synaptic though?
[09:27] <robertbb> I was told they will, which is why I am not using apt-*
[09:27] <antix> robertbb, no same thing
[09:27] <robertbb> antix: Awesome..
[09:27] <dazvid> Ichanz, dunno, im actually in Frankston to be precise :P
[09:28] <robert-in-au> is this the only ubuntu irc channel?
[09:28] <Myrtti> no
[09:28] <Ichanz> dazvid Ichanz, dunno, im actually in Frankston to be precise :P <-- i c mate... i thought u r in toorak
[09:28] <robert-in-au> wht others are ther?
[09:28] <theturtle> #kubuntu
[09:28] <robertbb> Hmm.. I still don't get the matching kernel sources to the running kernel.
[09:28] <robert-in-au> ok
[09:29] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-fi, #ubuntu-no, #ubuntu-sv, #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-es, #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-you-make-it-up
[09:29] <robert-in-au> wow!
[09:29] <robertbb> I know those places
[09:29] <robertbb> Frankston, Toorak..
[09:30] <Myrtti> you can actually make the channels up
[09:30] <robertbb> I'm from Sandy
[09:30] <robertbb> But I am in Canada right now ;-)
[09:30] <bob2> robertbb: perhaps you haven't rebooted lately
[09:30] <bob2> so you're running an old kernel
[09:31] <bob2> tho it should still have the headers available
[09:31] <robertbb> Hmm.. how would a reboot help?
[09:31] <robertbb> robertbb@thinkpad:/usr/src$ uname -a
[09:31] <robertbb> Linux thinkpad 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:31] <Xanthus7> So bob do you have a dvd ripper you like
[09:32] <theturtle> dvdbackup
[09:32] <theturtle> acidrip
[09:32] <robertbb> Trying to get the matching sources onto the machine so I can compile some ATI drivers
[09:32] <Myrtti> a propos offtopic. I have to say this because I found this great product. I whole heartedly recommend BodyShop nail colours. I do office cleaning after school and that nail polish is the only one that has lasted thru my evening job.
[09:32] <theturtle> lxdvdrip
[09:32] <theturtle> cpdvd
[09:32] <theturtle> dvddecrypter
[09:32] <Xanthus7> yea but to use dvddecrypter you have to use wine
[09:33] <bob2> Xanthus7: thoggen's nice
[09:33] <bob2> if you like theora
[09:34] <bytefoo> my dvd audio always gets out of sync in ubuntu :/
[09:34] <robert-in-au> how do i find the version of a wifi driver i am using?
[09:37] <theturtle> modinfo
[09:38] <theturtle> :/
[09:42] !lilo:*! Hi all. If you could help with the testing of a nickserv patch for SET FILTERED ON on the testnet (irc.freenode.net port 9001) it would help immensely.... please stop by the testnet and message me. Thanks.
[09:45] <brownie17> madpilot: when i try to watch lfash animations, my sound doesn't work, but it works with everything else
[09:46] <brownie17> can anyone help me? when watching flash animations, my sound doesn't work, but it works fine for everything else
[09:46] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: please dont repeat, if anyone knows your answer, they weill speak up
[09:46] <bob2> brownie17: "pkill esd"
[09:46] <dducko> There is a tutorial for sound in the Wiki
[09:47] <dducko> !sound
[09:47] <ubotu> hmm... sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[09:47] <brownie17> bob2: i put that in the terminal, what did it do
[09:47] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: killed your e sound daemon
[09:48] <bob2> brownie17: now try reloading the anmiation
[09:48] <brownie17> what is an e sound deamon?
[09:48] <brownie17> bob2: ok
[09:48] <brownie17> nope, still didn't work
[09:51] <dducko> there is a fix for it.. tyring to find it for you now...
[09:51] <dducko> Sound has not been configured correctly
[09:51] <brownie17> dducko, i havent done anything to configure sound
[09:51] <brownie17> hey, how do i find out if i have and ISA card?
[09:52] <jack-> question..is it possible to have xscreensaver act on other events besides idle time?
[09:52] <jack-> i'd like to control it with the mousepointer..like this corner = blank now, and that corner = never blank
[09:52] <jack-> is that doable?
[09:53] <Madpilot> jack-: didn't win98 (or 95??) used to do that? (vague memories here...)
[09:53] <jack-> yeah, mac os too, etc
[09:53] <gjoemmie> llo there
[09:53] <brownie17> dducko: so how do i configure sound?
[09:53] <gjoemmie> anyone knows a better movieplaying program than totem media player?
[09:53] <jack-> vlc
[09:53] <OculusAquilae> vlc
[09:54] <jack-> www.videolan.org/vlc/download, iirc
[09:54] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: what's not working in totem? (have you installed the various codecs?)
[09:54] <Madpilot> jack-: vlc is in Ubuntu repos, no need for seperate download
[09:54] <jack-> madpilot: dont say you got totem able to play xvid/divx
[09:55] <Agrajag> jack-: totem can play those just fine
[09:55] <jack-> i tried, but didnt find the approprite codecs :<
[09:55] <Agrajag> install totem-xine and w32codecs
[09:55] <jack-> thx!
[09:55] <Madpilot> jack-: think so, just a sec. w32codecs solves most problems...
[09:56] <gjoemmie> anyone wanna talk to me bout those things for a minute plz?
[09:56] <jack-> gjoemmie: apt-get vlc, problem solved
[09:56] <gjoemmie> k tnx
[09:56] <johndarkhorse> gjoemmie: what things? just d/l vlc and enjoy your movies
[09:56] <Madpilot> !tell gjoemmie about restricted
[09:57] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: the URL ubotu just sent you will get Totem (or whatever) playing all your stuff
[09:57] <gjoemmie> I dont understand sorry
[09:57] <gjoemmie> just started using ubuntu still learning
[09:58] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: go here, it's got the info you need: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <gjoemmie> jack-: apt-get vlc doesnt work in my root terminal...
[09:59] <jack-> madpilot: you sure its in ubuntu already? :p
[09:59] <youngcoder> !vfs
[09:59] <ubotu> Not a clue, youngcoder
[09:59] <jack-> i got it from debian/stable, too
[10:00] <youngcoder> has anyone compiled the 2.6.13 kernel?
[10:00] <Madpilot> gjoemmie & jack-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - vlc is in Universe repo
[10:00] <jack-> Agrajag: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[10:00] <bob2> youngcoder: lots of people have
[10:00] <Agrajag> jack-: you need the hoary-extras repository, read the above link
[10:00] <Madpilot> jack-: that's in hoary-extras (because it's quasi-legal). see the bottom of the URL above
[10:00] <jack-> ok, thx :)
[10:00] <gjoemmie> madpilot can u plz talk to me in private for a minute?
[10:01] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: better to ask here, I'm hardly an expert!
[10:01] <youngcoder> bob2, well i have a problem with kernel panic while booting it.. it involves VFS.. any clue what causes that?
[10:01] <gjoemmie> its just I dont know ANYTHING about it
[10:01] <gjoemmie> I learned how to use gtkgnutella
[10:01] <bob2> youngcoder: that's caused by you not configuring it correctly
[10:01] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: anything about what? please be specific!
[10:01] <gjoemmie> so I can download movies
[10:01] <dducko> Could someone tell me what is on www.nvidia.com that might crash firefox?
[10:01] <bob2> youngcoder: why do you want 2.6.13?
[10:01] <gjoemmie> but now  I wanna play them
[10:02] <bob2> dducko: flash?
[10:02] <gjoemmie> but the quality in Totem is very bad
[10:02] <youngcoder> bob2, it is my first kernel compile
[10:02] <johndarkhorse> gjoemmie: dont use the root-terminal, use sudo
[10:02] <Madpilot> dducko: lots of flash?
[10:02] <bob2> youngcoder: why are you compiling it?
[10:02] <youngcoder> bob2, just wanted to do it and see if it works
[10:02] <bob2> youngcoder: ok...
[10:02] <dducko> I dont know.. ive been haveing random problems since i installed the nvidia-glx drivers
[10:02] <bob2> youngcoder: that panic is because you forgot to compile support for your ide/scsi controller and root filesystem into the kernel
[10:03] <youngcoder> bob2, wow thanks i will go fix it
[10:04] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: Totem plays everything I've got, even the few high-quality vids I've got. DVDs too... please follow that RestrictedFormats wiki page, it should get you going.
[10:06] <gjoemmie> but where do i start?
[10:06] <gjoemmie> I never learned through an internet page
[10:06] <gjoemmie> I feel like getting lost all the time
[10:06] <dducko> gjoemmie also after you add the restricted Resources dont forget to update your sources
[10:06] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: start here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:06] <dducko> Just read the paget.. veru informative
[10:07] <brownie17> ARGHGHGH!!! i need help
[10:07] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: after you finish that first page, go here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:07] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: at some point, you'll want to read this, too: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:07] <brownie17> i followed what it said in a guide to type lsof /dev/dsp to check what programs were using the soundcard, but nothing happend, it just did the thing to let me type a new command
[10:07] <Madpilot> (but it's not as important)
[10:08] <bob2> brownie17: and?
[10:08] <bob2> brownie17: why do you think that is incorrect?
[10:08] <brownie17> and wasn't it supposed to show me what programs are using the soundcard>?
[10:09] <brownie17> hey, if i have ESD killed, then should Rythmbox work?
[10:09] <dducko> I couldnt find that in the Wiki which i know it is.. so I gave him the forum with it.. it isnt as precise
[10:09] <bob2> brownie17: yes, and no program is using it
[10:09] <gjoemmie> I dont know anything about ubuntu, where do I start?
[10:09] <bob2> start using it
[10:09] <Madpilot> dducko: you mean the Flash sound info? I thought it had been added to the wiki Flash page?
[10:10] <gjoemmie> I dont know anything else but windows...
[10:10] <brownie17> bob2: well rythmbox just says could not open resource for writing
[10:10] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: neither did I until four months ago!
[10:10] <gjoemmie> so how did u learn it?
[10:10] <bob2> brownie17: perhaps you have rhythmbox configured to use esd then...
[10:10] <bob2> gjoemmie: you use it and play
[10:10] <bob2> and listen to people here
[10:10] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: hanging out here, reading the wiki, and lots of books from the library - and lots and lots of messing around...
[10:10] <bob2> and read the mailing list
[10:10] <bob2> and the wiki
[10:10] <brownie17> bob2: i dont know, maybe, i didn't do it delberately though, must have been an auto setting
[10:11] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: seriously, work thru those three URLs I gave you above, they'll get you started with those videos, and introduce you to a bit of the system too
[10:11] <bob2> brownie17: ok
[10:11] <gjoemmie> ok ill try
[10:12] <gjoemmie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:12] <gjoemmie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats
[10:12] <gjoemmie> which was the third one?
[10:13] <brownie17> restart the session means log off then on again?
[10:13] <bob2> yes
[10:13] <brownie17> ok
[10:13] <johndarkhorse> madpilot is the best!
[10:13] <Madpilot> gjoemmie: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo - but it's not as important as the other two, and contains a lot of Linux-gibberish... (which can be ignored, mostly)
[10:14] <GNULinuxer> Seveas: you there?
[10:14] <Madpilot> johndarkhorse: I'm home, I'm out of beer, so I hang out here and do good... :)
[10:14] <johndarkhorse> heh
[10:14] <gjoemmie> well, thx a million times!
[10:14] <gjoemmie> lets hope I understand them all (I dont even speak good english...)
[10:14] <GNULinuxer> Seveas: I am trying to create an initrd image but mkinitrd isn't creating any. And there are no errors too
[10:15] <GNULinuxer> sudo mkinitrd -o <image_name> kernel_version
[10:15] <bob2> are you on breezy?
[10:15] <emile> is there a wifi chooser for ubuntu?
[10:15] <bob2> and why are you making an initrd?
[10:15] <GNULinuxer> bob2: i am on hoary
[10:15] <GNULinuxer> bob2: 2.6.13
[10:15] <bob2> emile: lots.  netapplet isn't too crap.
[10:15] <bob2> GNULinuxer: but why are you making an initrd at all?
[10:16] <GNULinuxer> bob2: I thought I'd need one as I am not making the fs modules built in
[10:16] <benplaut> how do i start a second Xserver in tty8?
[10:16] <bob2> why would you not build them in?
[10:16] <bob2> benplaut: startx -- :1
[10:16] <bob2> benplaut: (from a terminal)
[10:16] <benplaut> no, a second one
[10:16] <benplaut> that complains that one is already running
[10:17] <bob2> that should start another
[10:17] <benplaut> ooohh
[10:17] <brownie17> dducko, did what you said in that guide, still didn't work
[10:17] <benplaut> with the -- :1
[10:17] <GNULinuxer> bob2: just like that ... but that's not a solution to the problem with mkinitrd ... it should create an image any way right?
[10:17] <bob2> yes...
[10:17] <brownie17> bob2: followed this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567, but still sound does not work in firefox
[10:17] <bob2> GNULinuxer: indeeed, but initrds are black magic, to be avoided whenever possible
[10:18] <GNULinuxer> bob2: heh
[10:18] <bob2> forums in confused advice shocker!
[10:18] <bob2> I wish people would just stop using the forums like that
[10:18] <bob2> if you have an article to write, write it and put it somewhere useful, like on the wiki
[10:19] <brownie17> stop using them like what?
[10:19] <brownie17> is there something wrong with that guide
[10:19] <GNULinuxer> bob2: do you mean just making second extended fs support, ext3 support and reiserfs support built in work ?
[10:19] <brownie17> i'll keep trying, i think i might yet be able to fix it
[10:19] <bob2> brownie17: I wish people would use the wiki or an actual website for articles
[10:19] <bob2> hiding them on the forums is annoying
[10:19] <bob2> GNULinuxer: yes
[10:20] <GNULinuxer> bob2: hmm
[10:22] <benplaut> that's incredible!
[10:22] <johndarkhorse> the wiki is the only place i write articles
[10:22] <benplaut> beagle worked without any cajoling!
[10:22] <GNULinuxer> bob2: are there any debian builds of 2.6.13 available?
[10:22] <johndarkhorse> benplaut: that is indeed
[10:23] <bob2> do not know
[10:23] <bob2> I'm not sure that will actually work on hoary, tho
[10:24] <benplaut> GNULinuxer, if you're looking for the latest and greatest, you might as well use breezy
[10:24] <bob2> breezy does not have 2.6.13
[10:24] <benplaut> oh
[10:24] <benplaut> not even in universE?
[10:25] <GNULinuxer> bob2: hmm ... i tried building on using kpkg ... but it balied out with an error wrt generating some stupid docs
[10:25] <GNULinuxer> s/on/one
[10:25] <GNULinuxer> benplaut: i am afraid, Breezy might break something
[10:25] <benplaut> 2.6.13 might break something  ;)
[10:25] <brownie17> bob2: i made sound work!!! :)
[10:26] <benplaut> but, still, it's easy to boot into a different kernel
[10:26] <brownie17> why does esd work for firefox for some people, but not others
[10:26] <GNULinuxer> benplaut: yes
[10:26] <Madpilot> brownie17: so what's the trick?
[10:26] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about kernels
[10:26] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about kernel
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell lsuactiafner about kernel
[10:27] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: just /msg ubotu <factoid> and he'll tell you whatever you ask for
[10:27] <brownie17> madpilot: there was a another part of the guide that some people had to do, that was more advanced
[10:27] <brownie17> madpilot: and i had to do it
[10:27] <Madpilot> brownie17: ah. I'm just going to wait a month for breezy, it's supposed to have saner sound configs...
[10:27] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: thanx
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell lsuactiafner about ubotu
[10:28] <brownie17> madpilot: yeah, are there any like screenshots i can see?
[10:28] <jack-> btw, do all ubuntu binary repos exist for all supported platforms?
[10:28] <jack-> like, is there a hoary-extras for ppc, too?
[10:28] <bob2> lsuactiafner: you can talk to the bot in /msg
[10:28] <bob2> jack-: that's entirely up to whoever does hoary-extras
[10:28] <bob2> jack-: it is not part of ubuntu
[10:28] <johndarkhorse> jack-: yes there are
[10:28] <lsuactiafner> he doesnt want to cyber..
[10:28] <bob2> but it's unlikely to be complete, hoary-extras has all sorts of non-free binary-only junk
[10:28] <Madpilot> brownie17: there have been Breezy screenshots - don't have URLs handy - ask googles
[10:28] <jack-> yeah
[10:28] <Madpilot> *google, even...
[10:29] <jack-> anyway, good to know :)
[10:29] <jack-> i'll give ubuntu a go on my g3 mac
[10:29] <jack-> but all the "official" repos are complete even for ppc?
[10:29] <johndarkhorse> jack it will work well
[10:29] <jack-> thats awesome :)
[10:29] <Madpilot> brownie17: lots of pics: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=342&slide=27&title=ubuntu+linux+5.10+colony+1+breezy+badger+screenshots
[10:30] <bob2> jack-: complete as much as possible
[10:30] <jack-> i'm really afraid of building stuff myself with this slow mac :p
[10:30] <bob2> jack-: e.g. openoffice 1 is fucked on amd64
[10:30] <bob2> jack-: and lilo only works on i386, etc
[10:30] <jack-> ok
[10:30] <benplaut> !tell brownie17 about breezy
[10:30] <jack-> yeah i know, thats np
[10:30] <benplaut> there's a link in there, brownie17
[10:30] <nubbe> howto fool sites like cnn.com ito thinking I got WMP?
[10:31] <johndarkhorse> jack-: no need to build
[10:31] <johndarkhorse> jack your G3 is fully supported by ubuntu
[10:31] <johndarkhorse> nubbe: mmsclient
[10:32] <jtan325> does anyone here use breezy
[10:32] <jack-> johndarkhorse: great :)
[10:34] <benplaut> jtan325, i do
[10:34] <wickedpuppy> i do too
[10:34] <wickedpuppy> oh benplaut is your System --> log out working ?
[10:34] <jack-> does w32codecs work for anyone in here? (trying to play xvid .avi files in totem still fails)
[10:34] <benplaut> yup
[10:34] <wickedpuppy> funny
[10:34] <benplaut> no to jack-
[10:34] <wickedpuppy> mine doesn't
[10:34] !lilo:*! Hi all. Just a reminder: please help us test the latest nickserv changes.... testnet is irc.freenode.net, port 9001 .... if you can't get there, message me here for help; if you get there, stop by #freenode
[10:34] <benplaut> yes to wickedpuppy
[10:34] <bob2> jack-: works for lots of people
[10:35] <bob2> I wouldn't bother with totem, tho
[10:35] <jtan325> benplaut, what's the easiest/safest way to upgrade cairo to 1.0
[10:35] <wickedpuppy> jack-, i just played .avi naruto
[10:35] <jtan325> i mean
[10:35] <benplaut> dunno, never tried
[10:35] <jack-> maybe requires some newer gfx hw..
[10:35] <wickedpuppy> in totem
[10:35] <johndarkhorse> jack-: w32codecs dont work on ppc
[10:35] <jack-> its an old p2 box with a rage2
[10:35] <jtan325> benplaut, does breezy give you problems?
[10:35] <jack-> not ppc johndarkhorse :)
[10:35] <jack-> p2, 450mhz
[10:35] <bob2> jack-: no, graphics hardware has nothing to do with it
[10:35] <benplaut> jtan325, a few, here and there... nothing serious
[10:35] <Madpilot> jack-: totem plays all my .avi files as far as I know
[10:35] <jtan325> benplaut, what level of problems?
[10:36] <jtan325> I'm alright with unix and stuff
[10:36] <dducko> I seem to be haveing some issuesfollowintg the Unofficial guide.. for installing Flash..
[10:36] <jack-> i'll check out "naruto"
[10:36] <Madpilot> !flash
[10:36] <ubotu> well, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:36] <dducko> it says.. sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[10:36] <jtan325> but i have no idea whether i'd be able to fix up my distro myself
[10:36] <benplaut> the OO.org dictionary, can't change boot text font, some weirdness with Qt themes...
[10:36] <Madpilot> dducko: follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats instead of the ubuntuguide
[10:36] <benplaut> nothing that really effects working with it
[10:36] <bob2> jtan325: messing with libcairo is not a good idea
[10:36] <benplaut> just personal prefences
[10:36] <wickedpuppy> jtan325, the only problem i got is that i can't shut down by System --> Log out ... if i go there .. all my menu hangs
[10:36] <johndarkhorse> dducko: if you're referring to the ubuntuguide, dont follow it too closely, it can lead you into trouble in some cases
[10:36] <benplaut> ditto to bob2
[10:37] <dducko> Thanks for the warning
[10:37] <jack-> hmm doesnt exist
[10:37] <jtan325> bob2, i work on a dev team for a program that needs cairo 1.0.0
[10:37] <jack-> wickedpuppy, what did you mean?
[10:37] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[10:37] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, totally, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[10:37] <Madpilot> dducko: see above ^^^
[10:37] <jtan325> that's why i'm trying to get it working...
[10:37] <dducko> ahh cool..
[10:37] <wickedpuppy> jack-, you shut down by going to system --> log out and choose shut down right ?
[10:37] <mumbles> how do i change a network settings?
[10:37] <dducko> thought some was out of date.. wasnt too sure
[10:37] <bob2> jtan325: well, install it to /usr/local/ and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for apps that need it
[10:37] <jack-> i rarely do that at all
[10:37] <jack-> but yes
[10:37] <wickedpuppy> well ... seems if i do that i can't use any meny anymore
[10:38] <wickedpuppy> menu
[10:38] <jtan325> ugh
[10:38] <jtan325> already installed...
[10:38] <wickedpuppy> i just have to kill x and shutdown by sudo shutdown -h now
[10:38] <bob2> jtan325: where did you elaborate further on the problem?
[10:39] <jtan325> bob2, what do you mean? really, the problem traces down to when i try to compile the program i'm working on
 jack-, i just played .avi naruto
[10:39] <jack-> ?? ;)
[10:39] <wickedpuppy> haaaa
[10:39] <jtan325> bob2: it says
[10:39] <mumbles> any ideas ?
[10:39] <nubbe> johndarkhorse, Thanks for the tip, I'll check it
[10:39] <wickedpuppy> avi is fine :P
[10:39] <jtan325> /usr/lib/libcairo.so: undefined reference to `FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden`
[10:40] <jack-> well, my totem used to say "cant play, bad format"
[10:40] <jack-> now i installed w32codes, and it doesnt complain anymore
[10:40] <jack-> but hangs :P
[10:40] <bob2> jtan325: er
[10:40] <dducko> I have all of the restricted repos yet it still says that is not found flashplugin-nonfree, yes apt-get update has been ran
[10:40] <bob2> jtan325: that's because you didn't tell the configure script to use your version of cairo
[10:40] <jack-> is vlc really the only sane videoplayer? d'oh
[10:40] <bob2> mplayer's saner
[10:41] <bob2> even if the authors are not
[10:41] <jack-> for xvid/divx too?
[10:41] <jack-> need those badly
[10:41] <bob2> of course
[10:41] <jack-> ok, thx
[10:41] <jtan325> bob2, would you know how to do that?
[10:41] <Madpilot> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[10:42] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
[10:42] <jack-> damn which mplayer do i want :) -custom or -586 ?
[10:42] <jack-> bob2
[10:42] <bob2> jtan325: 18:37:53           bob2 | jtan325: well, install it to /usr/local/ and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for apps that need it
[10:42] <Madpilot> dducko: see above ^^^ , it's in Multiverse
[10:42] <bob2> jack-: 586, I suppose
[10:42] <jack-> ok
[10:42] <jtan325> bob2: arg, ok, i guess i'll have to pray that synaptic fixes these broken packages
[10:43] <jtan325> bob2: actually, that doesn't look like a good idea
[10:43] <bob2> jtan325: this does not have anything to do with synaptic
[10:43] <bob2> or ubuntu packages
[10:43] <bob2> or whatever
[10:44] <jtan325> well right now i've got 6 broken packages...
[10:44] <jtan325> among them libc6, libfontconfig, libxrender-dev
[10:44] <bob2> this is entirely unrelated to cairo
[10:44] <jtan325> well
[10:44] <bob2> unless you did something extraordinarily silly like modifying your cairo in /usr/
[10:45] <jtan325> no
[10:45] <jtan325> didn't do that
[10:45] <jtan325> but
[10:45] <bob2> or installed a broken homebrew cairo package
[10:45] <jtan325> when i tried to "dpkg -i" cairo 1.0 (official release)
[10:45] <jtan325> it complained about dependencies
[10:45] <jtan325> so i followed those, downloaded the .deb's for those
[10:45] <jtan325> mostly stable, some testing, none experimental
[10:45] <bob2> wtf
[10:46] <bob2> you're boned then
[10:46] <jtan325> installed them, and then finally libcairo worked
[10:46] <bob2> reinstall
[10:46] <bob2> and don't do such silly things in future
[10:46] <jtan325> well
[10:46] <jtan325> how else would you install libcairo
[10:46] <bob2> dude
[10:47] <bob2> I've told you how, twice
[10:47] <bob2> 18:42:21           bob2 | jtan325: 18:37:53           bob2 | jtan325: well, install it to /usr/local/ and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for apps that need it
[10:47] <jack-> bob2, is there some graphical frontend app for mplayer, too?
[10:47] <jtan325> no, i've read that
[10:47] <jtan325> so you mean install libcairo by compiling from source or something?
[10:47] <bob2> yes
[10:48] <bob2> if it has a different SONAME, you could compile the debian source package of 1.0
[10:49] <dducko> evem after verifying the multiverse is listed I still cannot access flashplugin-nonfree
[10:49] <jtan325> bob2: i'll see what i can do
[10:49] <dducko> either in apt of synaptic
[10:49] <jtan325> thanks for your help though
[10:49] <ompaul> dducko, apt-get update first
[10:49] <dducko> did that.. several times actually
[10:50] <bob2> installing .debs like you did is a terrible idea
[10:50] <bob2> even if you know exactly how apt and dpkg work, unbreaking it now would take quite a wile
[10:50] <johndarkhorse> jack-: gmplayer
[10:50] <jtan325> yea bob2 it was a true n00b mistake
[10:51] <jack-> thx :)
[10:51] <GNAM> I want 2.6.13 in breezy
[10:51] <ompaul> dducko, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl and let us progress from there
[10:51] <jack-> johndarkhorse: hmm
[10:51] <bob2> I want a pony
[10:51] <jack-> not in any of my repos
[10:51] <GNAM> pony is offtopic
[10:51] <ompaul> bob2, you can't have one
[10:51] <jack-> johndarkhorse: where to get it?
[10:52] <johndarkhorse> jack you (to my knowledge) have to recompile mplayer --with-gui  or something like that
[10:52] <jack-> ahh
[10:52] <johndarkhorse> jack-: and if you recompile mplayer, make sure you compile the kitchen sink into it
[10:53] <jack-> ok
[10:53] <bob2> GNAM: perhaps yo ucould elaborate on why you want 2.6.13?
[10:53] <dducko> ompaul done.. under dducko
[10:54] <johndarkhorse> jack-: you'll need to compile aac support and all that  into it (at least i wanted aac support)
[10:54] <GNAM> because it's latest
[10:54] <jack-> yeah, me too
[10:54] <jack-> lets see if i'll manage
[10:55] <dbzdeath> hey does anyone know why i can't use gcc? i just removed the gcc package and installed the gcc-3.4 package and it doesn't work
[10:55] <jdub> dbzdeath: install build-essential
[10:55] <johndarkhorse> dbzdeath: you can have more than one version of gcc
[10:55] <dducko> uninstalling gcc is bad.. did it have lots to take away with it?
[10:55] <ompaul> dducko, first up you duplicate the last line :) that can go
[10:56] <GNAM> i have 4/5 version of gcc
[10:56] <dbzdeath> dducko: nope
[10:56] <dducko> yeah did that trying to add multiverse again
[10:56] <jack-> gcc5 isnt out yet :p
[10:56] <ompaul> dducko, remove the cdrom with a # always better to get from the net
[10:56] <jack-> guess you mean 4.0.5 or something
[10:56] <dbzdeath> johndarkhorse: i get file not found when i try to run the command gcc ...
[10:56] <GNAM> version -> versions
[10:56] <johndarkhorse> dbzdeath: jdub suggested a possible fix
[10:57] <jdub> dbzdeath: you need the gcc package to provide the gcc symlink, otherwise you can use 'gcc-4.0' or 'gcc-3.3' etc.
[10:57] <bob2> GNAM: then go compile it yourself
[10:57] <dbzdeath> hmmm it now wants to install gcc-3.3 again
[10:57] <bob2> it sounds like a waste of time
[10:57] <bob2> dbzdeath: because you removed gcc
[10:57] <bob2> dbzdeath: all you have now is gcc-3.4
[10:58] <dbzdeath> bob2: yeah... i don't see the problem with that?
[10:58] <Madpilot> anyone here use CVS, ideally with Screem? I'm fiddling with it, and it's being... difficult
[10:58] <dducko> ompaul done and done.. (and thanks for the help)
[10:58] <bob2> dbzdeath: indeed
[10:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> I thought you meant CVS Pharmacy.
[10:58] <bob2> dbzdeath: so, cal gcc-3.4 if that's what you want
[10:58] <dbzdeath> cal?
[10:58] <bob2> call
[10:59] <bob2> this sounds like a bad idea tho
[10:59] <bob2> not least because of the ABI changes
[10:59] <jdub> dbzdeath: the 'gcc' package installs the gcc symlink
[10:59] <jdub> bob2: doesn't matter for gcc :-)
[10:59] <pepsi> bob2, vmware works :)
[10:59] <dducko> ompaul I just notice all of the rest of them have a deb-src line.. should multiver have that too?
[10:59] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: no, the Concurrent Versions System!
[11:00] <bob2> jdub: it does if you want to use any C++ libraries
[11:00] <ompaul> dducko, I am editing your existing one
[11:00] <jdub> bob2: 'gcc' != 'g++' :-)
[11:00] <dducko> ok thank you
[11:00] <dbzdeath> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-linux/3.3.5/libstdc++.a when searching for -lstdc++ anyone know what that means?
[11:00] <bob2> hah
[11:00] <bob2> indeed
[11:00] <bob2> I win!
[11:01] <jdub> dbzdeath: that means you're using out of step versions of gcc :-)
[11:01] <dbzdeath> jdub: out of step?
[11:01] <bob2> dbzdeath: why do you want g++ 3.4 so badly?
[11:01] <dbzdeath> bob2: don't really ... just trying to get this program to compile
[11:01] <jdub> dbzdeath: you have a library built with on gcc ABI, and you're trying to build against it using a different gcc
[11:02] <bob2> dbzdeath: just using the default gcc is going to be a lot simpler then
[11:02] <jdub> dbzdeath: install build-essential :-)
[11:02] <LamerX> hey all, i've read through all the forums and i've set up a few different nVidia cards before, but for some reason on my laptop, i've got no 3d acceleration. I even get the nvidia logo when X starts, does anybody know what might be the problem?
[11:02] <dbzdeath> jdub: i already did that... and no go
[11:02] <dbzdeath> same error
[11:02] <bob2> no, you removed build essential
[11:02] <bob2> by removing "gcc"
[11:02] <jdub> dbzdeath: don't build with gcc 3.4 then - use gcc
[11:02] <dbzdeath> bob2: no i installed it *after* i did that
[11:02] <lsuactiafner> LamerX : glx aint running
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> its software not hardware glx
[11:03] <bob2> dbzdeath: install build-essential, and use gcc as the compiler.  what error do you get?
[11:03] <pepsi> how do i know which of those modules to load? dri, glcore, glx, etc
[11:03] <pepsi> what does each do?
[11:03] <LamerX> lsuactiafner, how do i make sure glx is running?
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> glxinfo | grep direct
[11:03] <dbzdeath> bob2: see above ... thats the error with build-essential ... and i'm assuming its using gcc
[11:03] <Madpilot> good night, all, it's 0200 here. later...
[11:04] <LamerX> lsuactiafner: direct rendering: Yes
[11:04] <lsuactiafner> LamerX : if it aint direct then i got no idea how to fix it, i dont use the ubuntu packages, i use the drivers directly from nvidia.com
[11:04] <stonehead> ehm.. stupid question: why don't I get core files, even when ulimit -c is unlimited?
[11:04] <bob2> dbzdeath: what are you compiling? how?
[11:04] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[11:04] <bob2> pepsi: http://people.freedesktop.org/~ajax/dri-explanation.txt
[11:04] <LamerX> yeah i'm mega-confused
[11:04] <lsuactiafner> LamerX : in /etc/X11/xorg.conf see if you are using nvidia not just nv as a display driver
[11:05] <LamerX> yeah it's nvidia
[11:05] <dbzdeath> bob2: p7zip on amd64 ubuntu ... i just typed make all as the instructions said
[11:05] <HappyFool> stonehead: that doesn't sound right
[11:05] <bob2> dbzdeath: after running what?
[11:05] <LamerX> lsuactiafner: i even get the nvidia logo when X starts
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> LamerX : then no idea
[11:06] <LamerX> ok thanks for the help
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> maybe the card aint good?
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> try nvidia-settings
[11:06] <LamerX> nah the card worked under gentoo
[11:06] <LamerX> ill check the nvidia settings
[11:06] <HappyFool> stonehead: 'ulimit -c unlimited' does the right thing here
[11:06] <dbzdeath> bob2: According to your OS, copy makefile.linux, makefile.freebsd, makefile.cygwin, ...   over makefile.machine
[11:06] <dbzdeath> as it said
[11:06] <stonehead> stn@rafe:~ $ ulimit -c
[11:06] <stonehead> unlimited
[11:06] <dbzdeath> so i copied the amd64 makefile
[11:07] <ompaul> dducko, have a look at that
[11:07] <stonehead> Segmentation fault
[11:07] <stonehead> You've probably found a bug in XMMS, please visit
[11:07] <stonehead> http://bugs.xmms.org and fill out a bug report.
[11:07] <stonehead> (same shell, of course, no core.)
[11:08] <ompaul> dducko, and make a backup of what you have before you overwrite sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old
[11:08] <LamerX> anybody might know why i'm getting no 3d acceleration after installing nvidia drivers?
[11:08] <LamerX> is there anything i do in my xorg.conf besides change "nv" to "nvidia" ?
[11:08] <HappyFool> stonehead: hmm. i think it's probably an xmms thing. maybe they try to do something clever with segfaults
[11:08] <HappyFool> LamerX: have you read the nvidia wiki page?
[11:08] <ompaul> !tell LamerX about nvidia
[11:09] <LamerX> i haven't seen the wiki page, where might i find that?
[11:09] <stonehead> happyfool: I have an mp3 that repeatedly causes segfaults. does xmms have a channel?
[11:09] <ompaul> HappyFool, LamerX  has the url now :)
[11:09] <HappyFool> LamerX: ompaul has wielded the cluebat
[11:09] <HappyFool> stonehead: i think so
[11:09] <dducko> ompaul Thanks.. trying it now
[11:09] <LamerX> oh yeah thanks
[11:09] <ompaul> dducko, apt-get update first !
[11:09] <ompaul> :)
[11:09] <stonehead> happyfool: thanks, will try there.
[11:10] <dducko> ompaul... yep.. and worked perfectly thanks.
[11:10] <LamerX> ok, i've done all that, i get the nvidia logo but still no accel, any ideas?
[11:10] <LamerX> is the GeForce2Go maybe no supported?
[11:11] <dducko> darn.. still didnt fix my issue....
[11:11] <dbzdeath> bob2: any ideas??
[11:12] <dducko> is there a way to install Nvidia's drivers that they distribute?
[11:12] <HappyFool> LamerX: i can put my xorg.conf on the pastebin, if you want
[11:12] <FatDarrel> dducko, sure just make sure you have your kernel sources and use their shell script
[11:12] <dazvid> dducko, there is a forum topic on installing the latest nvidia drivers
[11:12] <HappyFool> LamerX: maybe you can compare the   Section "Module" part, but I don't know if it'll help
[11:12] <Cashel> re hi... anyone know how I can download ubuntu packages w/ out using the package manager?? 14.4kbps thanks to linuxant :(
[11:12] <dazvid> search on ubuntu forums :)
[11:12] <LamerX> HappyFool: ok that would be great, i would really appreciate it!
[11:12] <samu2> so, i was wondering if you can install ttc truetype font collections for ubuntu somehow, or maybe you can extract the ttf files from them?
[11:12] <dducko> ahh Ok thanks..  Kernel sources...... ummm.....
[11:12] <dducko> *goes to look for this stuff*
[11:13] <LamerX> HappyFool, what channel is the pastebin?
[11:13] <HappyFool> LamerX: it's a website... standby
[11:13] <thenuke> LamerX: pastebin.org
[11:13] <LamerX> oh ok
[11:13] <dducko> sad thing is I have to use links to go to the Nvidia site.. otherwise i crash firefox
[11:13] <HappyFool> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1890
[11:14] <LamerX> HappyFool, thanks for the paste!
[11:14] <LamerX> let's see how it compares
[11:15] <dbzdeath> anyone know why my system might be so unresponsive? it is pretty bad... scrolling down a web page with just text on it can make my cpu usage go to 100% or just even typing in here it will sometimes spike or opening up another tab etc. on a athlon 64 3000+
[11:15] <pepsi> top
[11:16] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: is dma enabled on your hard drives?
[11:16] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: hmmm i'm not sure
[11:16] <youngcoder> HappyFool, !! heya
[11:16] <dbzdeath> in regards to that i should have default
[11:16] <benplaut> 'night :)
[11:16] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda' (or /dev/<whatever>)
[11:16] <HappyFool> youngcoder: hi ;)
[11:16] <Cashel> what pepsi said... top .. make sure the mem total is right...
[11:18] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: hmm one hard drive reports it as off the other(the sata disk.. the one that runs the OS) reports... well nothing it just spits out /dev/sda:
[11:18] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: i've rarely used sata, but i think controller support can be a problem
[11:19] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: lets say its off... should i enable it? if so how? maybe that will help?
[11:19] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: well, you can try, but by default it should be on
[11:19] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: try 'sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/sda'
[11:20] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: it isn't for my other hard drive...
[11:20] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: so it's on for on sata drive, not for the other?
[11:20] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: are the drives connected to the same sata controller?
[11:21] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: well the sata one doesn't report... but the other well that says its off ... ummm i'm not sure if they're on the same controller
[11:21] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: is the 'other one' also sata?
[11:21] <dbzdeath> nope ide
[11:22] <dbzdeath> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device <--- i get that when trying to enable dma on the sata drive
[11:22] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: all i can suggest is googling for your motherboard model (or sata controller model) and linux or ubuntu. I would guess there's no kernel support for dma for that sata controller.
[11:23] <HappyFool> Cashel: you want to download packages without using apt ?
[11:23] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: hmmm... well since one is ide and the other sata... they have to be on different controllers... i'm pretty sure
[11:23] <HappyFool> Cashel: you can try something called apt-zip, it may be what you want
[11:23] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: presumably
[11:24] <mumbles> work time
[11:24] <pawdro> hello, on system startup I have a message 'Can't find sxt3 filesystem on hda2' (that's linux), but my native fs is reiserfs, and I have hda2 in fstab writtes as reiserfs
[11:24] <pawdro> whats wrong?
[11:25] <Cashel> soooo.... anyone know how I can manualy download packages from ubuntu?
[11:25] <mumbles-work> apt-get
[11:25] <mumbles-work> ?
[11:25] <Cashel> HappyFool, correct
[11:25] <dbzdeath> hmmm HappyFool could my problem be to do with this... i get a whole bunch of this spam when i check dmesg... smb_errno: class ERRDOS, code 21 from command 0x80
[11:25] <mumbles-work> anyways im off to work
[11:25] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: because my system WAS running fine
[11:25] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: all i can suggest is google
[11:26] <scanwinder> what sidebars like google desktop are for linux?
[11:27] <nightswim> what is a sidebar
[11:27] <Cashel> dbzdeath, restart all samba related stuff?
[11:28] !lilo:*! Services will be restarted in a moment to remove the erroneous SET UNFILTERED ON artifacts....
[11:28] <dbzdeath> Cashel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. do you know what that is?
[11:28] <scanwinder> nightswim: bars that like stay on the side with buttons and email integration and new etc etc
[11:28] <scanwinder> nightswim: desktop.google.com
[11:29] <Cashel> dbzdeath, do I know what what is? (read: no)
[11:29] <dado> hi all, i need help with cedega, i cannot run games in 1280x800 (16:10 Widescreen)!
[11:29] <nightswim> doesnt gdesklets or something do stuff like that
[11:29] <dbzdeath> hmmm
[11:29] <HappyFool> scanwinder: you can add applets to the panel (right-click on a panel, choose 'add to panel'). Panels are the bars at top and bottom of the screen.
[11:30] <Cashel> dbzdeath, whats on top of top?
[11:31] <dbzdeath> Cashel: hmmm well it seems to be running alright now ... i did restart samba and i did stop the copying via samba that i was doing
[11:31] <dbzdeath> so it has to be samba related
[11:31] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: well, if dma is disabled, all disk i/o goes through the cpu
[11:32] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: AHHHH so that would be why
[11:32] <dbzdeath> thats a lot of pressure then on the cpu
[11:32] <johndarkhorse> nightswim: gdesklets, adesklets, and superkaramba all have wonderful eyecandy
[11:32] <dbzdeath> wait a minute.... its copying not to my sata disk but to my other disk
[11:33] <HappyFool> well, it will at the very least cause context switches etc
[11:33] <HappyFool> you said dma wasn't enabled there either, iirc
[11:34] <HappyFool> not having dma on your main hdd (including swap partition) would probably cause a noticeable performance lag
[11:34] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: yes thats my point... if i enable it on the non sata disk it should fix it?
[11:34] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: it will help transfers to that disk, presumably
[11:34] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted i get that when i try hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda <--- thats the drive that repots that dma is disabled
[11:35] <johndarkhorse> dbzdeath: enabling dma on all your disks is a good idea, imho
[11:35] <dbzdeath> johndarkhorse: yeah i know... having a little trouble with that here though :(
[11:35] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: all i can guess is lack of kernel support for your ide/sata chipset
[11:36] <dbzdeath> hmmmm
[11:36] <dbzdeath> its a via chip
[11:36] <dado> guys, how can i run games on 1280x800 in cedega? please help me :)
[11:36] <HappyFool> Cashel: i'd seriously consider buying a new modem; i have a intel 536ep based winmodem and it works perfectly well
[11:36] <dbzdeath> isn't via cips supported well on linux?
[11:36] <HappyFool> dado: try #cedega
[11:37] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: ask google
[11:37] <dbzdeath> via k8t800 chipset
[11:37] <Cashel> is samba the only method available for rw on ntfs drives??
[11:37] <HappyFool> Cashel: samba is for network filesystems, not for accessing ntfs drives
[11:37] <dbzdeath> Cashel: captive ntfs is your friend
[11:37] <HappyFool> Cashel: ubuntu has read-only support for ntfs
[11:38] <HappyFool> doesn't captive require a patched kernel?
[11:38] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: hmm afaik no...?
[11:38] <dbzdeath> i've only used it on knoppix
[11:38] <Cashel> never had a sata drive, but isnt there some sort of scsi kernel modules for it?
[11:38] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: ah, they may have patched there. someone here was trying to install it on ubuntu and couldn't
[11:38] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: i may be wrong
[11:38] <dbzdeath> yeah so may i
[11:39] <Cashel> hmmm did a locate: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_promise.ko
[11:40] <HappyFool> Cashel: there are probably more; isn't there a sata.ko too?
[11:40] <Cashel> I would definetly be search for a sata howto were I you...
[11:40] <Cashel> +ing
[11:40] <dbzdeath> yup my ide controller is P_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:0f.1 <--as shown in dmesg
[11:40] <dbzdeath> seems supported
[11:41] <Cashel> HappyFool, yeah, that was for example....
[11:42] <Cashel> I have a conextant modem unfortunetly... bastards charge for drivers.. 15 USD .... for that I could buy a new modem! heh
[11:42] <Cashel> .. if I had 15 bucks atm, which I dont unfortunetly..
[11:42] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: interesting. VP_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:0f.0  (from by dmesg)
[11:42] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: by = my?
[11:42] <HappyFool> yeah
[11:42] <dbzdeath> hmmm what motherboard?
[11:43] <HappyFool> err
[11:43] <Cashel> bbl
[11:45] <HappyFool> not sure of the model anymore. gigabyte, with amd 2500XP
[11:46] <dbzdeath> ah
[11:47] <dbzdeath> i have a asus k8v se deluxe
[11:47] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: hdparm -i /dev/sda spits out some stuff
[11:50] <dbzdeath> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29443.html interesting looks like what i have
[11:52] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: well, the one guy there has some concrete suggestions (floogy)
[11:53] <dbzdeath> does anyone know the difference between dma and ultradma?
[11:54] <brownie17> hey, i am trying to use "doom legacy" a game i found in synapitic
[11:54] <brownie17> and i cannot
[11:55] <brownie17> it gives me an error about doom.wad
[11:55] <brownie17> says it doesnt exist
[11:55] <brownie17> anyone else use this game?
[11:55] <HappyFool> brownie17: i think you need the original doom .WAD file to play it
[11:55] <brownie17> happyfool: yeh i downloaded it from the internet
[11:56] <brownie17> still doesnt work
[11:56] <HappyFool> brownie17: sorry, never actually used it. read the docs (probably in /usr/share/doc/doom-legacy/ or similar)
[11:56] <brownie17> ok
[11:56] <jack-> could someone do me a huge favor, do "cat /usr/share/applications/screensaver-properties.desktop" and paste me the results in pm? :<
[11:57] <jack-> pleaseplease..
[11:57] <HappyFool> jack-: i'll try pastebinning it, though i'm not sure what's going to happen with utf8 stuff
[11:57] <jack-> ok, thx :)
[11:58] <Gnonthgol> jack-: cat: /usr/share/applications/screensaver-properties.desktop: No such file or directory
[11:58] <Gnonthgol> lol
[11:58] <HappyFool> jack-: hmm, here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1891
[11:59] <HappyFool> jack-: looks a bit dodge though; evidently the utf-8 got mangled
[11:59] <Gnonthgol> HappyFool: thanks
[11:59] <jack-> np, many thanks
[12:00] <dbzdeath> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA <-- in the troubleshooting section can anyone tell me how to read that? i can't make out what i'm meant to put for what(i know its kinda a stupid question :/)
[12:00] <dbzdeath> nm
[12:05] <osfameron> hmm, sound juicer is reading at 1.4x speed
[12:05] <osfameron> on WinXP it ran ca 10x speed
[12:05] <osfameron> any suggestions ?
[12:06] <brownie17> should this copy a file from my desktop to the games directory? "sudo cp /home/fraser/Desktop/doom1.wad /usr/games/doom1.wad
[12:06] <brownie17> "
[12:08] <dbzdeath> YAY! i got dma going on my ide drive(no more lag)... alas the sata drive doesn't have it running
[12:09] <HappyFool> brownie17: looks ok
[12:09] <HappyFool> osfameron: try changing the rip settings to be less strict
[12:09] <dbzdeath> dammit ... has anyone here got dma working on a sata drive?
[12:10] <furic> I need a stand alone version of gnome-color-picker, where would i obtain that?
[12:10] <HappyFool> osfameron: though i can't see how to do than in sound juicer
[12:11] <HappyFool> osfameron: also, try turning on dma on the drive (not sure if that affects ripping, but it might)
[12:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> Was Freenode down for a moment?
[12:11] <HappyFool> Carpe_Libertatem: not in the last 90 minutes
[12:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> If I right-click an ISO file, and select "Write to Disc" - will it burn the iso as an iso, or all the information on the ISO to disc?
[12:13] <HappyFool> Carpe_Libertatem: it should burn the contents of the iso; i.e., you won't see a CD with a single file 'foo.iso' on it, but whatever's inside the iso
[12:13] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: on cd/dvd drives?? yeah dma can make a difference
[12:14] <Alex_BO> HELLO!i would like to install mondo, but i can't find it on synaptic.of course repository problems.anybody can help me?
[12:16] <osfameron> HappyFool, dbzdeath: how do I turn on dma?  (And what is it? :-)
[12:16] <dbzdeath> umm
[12:16] <dbzdeath> direct memory access
[12:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's a good download manager?
[12:16] <Alex_BO> HELLO!i would like to install mondo, but i can't find it on synaptic.of course repository problems.anybody can help me?
[12:16] <dbzdeath> as HappyFool said it allows direct writing to and from a device instead of going through the cpu
[12:16] <bimberi> Alex_BO: it's in the universe repository (for i386 anyway)
[12:17] <Gnonthgol> Alex_BO: where can I find mondo?
[12:17] <dbzdeath> osfameron: try hdparm -d1 /dev/device
[12:17] <dbzdeath> replace device with your drive
[12:17] <Alex_BO> Gnonthgol, it's my question :-)
[12:17] <osfameron> dbzdeath: ta, I'll try that :-)
[12:17] <emile> where can is resize desktop icons?
[12:17] <sedatc> what does executable mean in ubuntu
[12:17] <HappyFool> !tell osfameron about dma
[12:17] <HappyFool> !tell Alex_BO about repos
[12:18] <Alex_BO> bimberi, how can i insert it?would you mind write me the line to add to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:18] <sedatc> which extension an exe has and can I change it
[12:18] <HappyFool> sedatc: files are 'marked' as executable
[12:18] <dbzdeath> !tell dbzdeath about dma
[12:18] <bimberi> Alex_BO: HappyFool has just made ubuto send you a link to some instructions
[12:18] <osfameron> dbzdeath, HappyFool: thanks :-)
[12:18] <tear> is there an FTP client precompiled in ubuntu? if not, any recomendations?
[12:18] <dbzdeath> osfameron: your welcome
[12:19] <bimberi> *ubotu
[12:19] <mjr> tear, you can open ftp:// locations with nautilus
[12:19] <mjr> tear, gftp is popular too
[12:19] <bimberi> uboto: sorry
[12:19] <dbzdeath> anyone here know if sata can use dma?
[12:19] <HappyFool> sedatc: you can right-click files in nautilus, choose Properties and look at the 'Permissions' tab to change read/write/execute status
[12:20] <sedatc> HappyFool: the eclipse problem still continues. I just realized that when I try to execute jar directly by not clicking exe file everything is fine.But when I try to use exe it looks for jre in current directory
[12:20] <Alex_BO> maybe i am stupid
[12:21] <Seveas> !lart bimberi
[12:21] <Seveas> :)
[12:21] <HappyFool> heh
[12:21] <bimberi> ouch! :)
[12:21] <sedatc> HappyFool, so is there a way I can change the content of it
[12:21] <Alex_BO> i have activated ALL the repositories as the inscructions said (i checked with /etc/apt/repositories.list) but it can't find anything
[12:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's a good download manager?
[12:21] <bimberi> Alex_BO: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:22] <HappyFool> Seveas: i used your pastebin to upload some utf-8 file, and this is what happened: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1891  (not a complaint, just out of interest ;)
[12:22] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: are you using synaptic?
[12:22] <tear> thanks mjr
[12:22] <Seveas> HappyFool, awesome :)
[12:23] <Seveas> (the pastebin apparently isn't utf-8 compatible )
[12:23] <Alex_BO> bimberi, HappyFool: yes, i'm sorry: i made a mistake. the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <Gnonthgol> !info mondo
[12:23] <ubotu> mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 2.04-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 461 kB, Installed size: 1356 kB
[12:23] <emile> i'm still having trouble switching between wireless lans. what would be the right approach?
[12:23] <HappyFool> Seveas: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>  (first line in pastebin .html)
[12:24] <fblade1987> how can i compile a program that has a make file?
[12:24] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: are you using synaptic or apt-get/aptitude?
[12:24] <emile> there are two wireless network, one with key (i connect to it during install) and one public without key which i want to switch to now
[12:24] <HappyFool> fblade1987: 'make' is the usual way
[12:24] <emile> i installed netapplet to help me out, but no luck
[12:24] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, either with synaptic or with apt-get i can't find it
[12:24] <emile> any help?
[12:25] <Cashel> and now I'm connected at 56k!!! And what did I change you ask?  It doesnt look like scripts or something
[12:30] <HappyFool> sedatc: what do you want to do? start eclipse from the desktop?
[12:30] <bimberi> Alex_BO: have you done a "sudo apt-get update" or "Reload" in Synaptic since updating your repositories?
[12:30] <Gnonthgol> emile: just try #iwconfig wlan0 essid "Default"
[12:31] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: there's an error on line 20
[12:31] <sedatc> I want to learn about exes how it produced.
[12:31] <sedatc> HappyFool,
[12:31] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: it should be multiverse, not 'm ultiverse'
[12:31] <HappyFool> sedatc: umm.
[12:31] <ompaul> sedatc, exes are not a natural item in linux they are a strangeness from the land of MS
[12:31] <HappyFool> sedatc: you mean what are executables in linux?
[12:31] <bimberi> Alex_BO: line 6 has something similar
[12:32] <sedatc> HappyFool, yes exactly
[12:32] <HappyFool> sedatc: any file which has the 'executable' bit set is, in principle, executable
[12:33] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, bimberi: i promise you that my file is correct
[12:33] <bimberi> Alex_BO: it's probably just a pasting issue
[12:33] <Cashel> !tell Cashel about restricted
[12:33] <HappyFool> sedatc: there are at least two types of executable, binaries and scripts. binaries have a specified format (ELF, i think), scripts start with #!<interpreter> and are usually (always?) text files
[12:34] <sedatc> HappyFool, hmm. Again I will ask the same question can I change the content of it. Because this idiot looks for jre in wrong place
[12:34] <sedatc> HappyFool, this is way I cant run eclipse directly
[12:34] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 is a sample, 'correct' sources.list
[12:34] <HappyFool> sedatc: add a launcher to the panel or desktop to run eclipse
[12:35] <HappyFool> sedatc: right-click on the panel, choose 'Add to panel' then 'Custom application launcher', and give the command you use to start eclipse on the command line
[12:35] <sedatc> HappyFool: I already did it thank you
[12:35] <HappyFool> sedatc: i don't really understand what you want to do, sorry
[12:35] <Rabih> Hi!
[12:35] <sedatc> HappyFool: my problem was about exes
[12:36] <ompaul> sedatc, if you type file infront of a file name you will see what kind of file it is
[12:36] <Rabih> I'm trying to install my wlan-card.
[12:36] <Cashel> apt and synaptic use the same package database right?
[12:36] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, is that your sources.list?
[12:36] <bimberi> Cashel: yes
[12:36] <nalioth> well folks, it's been fun
[12:36] <Cashel> thanks
[12:36] <nalioth> i'm leaving my paying job now and going home and going to sleep
[12:37] <nalioth> be back in 12 hours from the office
[12:37] <nalioth> y'all be good
[12:37] <ompaul> sedatc, for instance if you type file /etc/apt/sources.list you get one answer and if you type 'file /usr/bin/finger' you get an answer now beyond that there is a lot more
[12:38] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: no, though mine is similar (i think)
[12:38] <Rabih> Question 1: The Readme says $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules (Where /path/to/source is the path to the source directory for the (configured and built) target kernel.) So, what is the /path/to/source in Ubuntu?
[12:38] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, can you paste me yours?
[12:38] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: stand-by
[12:39] <bimberi> lol
[12:39] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, what?
[12:40] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1893
[12:40] <sedatc> ompaul, okey I got it. Thank you something new for me
[12:40] <ompaul> sedatc, for a file which has things that can be executed it can be executed in one of two ways - one is by passing it to a shell 'sh file_to_be_executed' and the other is to use the shell you are in to invoke the command so in a terminal in your home directory you type 'nano' it starts an editor, but linux is in no way like that other thing that claims to be an operating system which defines the type of file by its extention name
[12:40] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: i think the deb-src lines might be incomplete
[12:40] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: but you can probably just comment those out if you don't want to do any compiling
[12:41] <ompaul> sedatc, you need to read some stuff online I think using uncle google and the terms 'file permissions linux faq' you may get the kind of info you want
[12:41] <Cashel> Rabih, I believe that would be /usr/include/linux  ... may just want /usr/include tho
[12:41] <lsuactiafner>  /usr/src/linux
[12:42] <Cashel> oh yeah
[12:42] <Cashel> heh
[12:42] <lsuactiafner> should learn to make your own kernsl Cashel
[12:42] <sedatc> ompaul, thank you very much
[12:42] <ompaul> sedatc, and you can also just for fun learn about 'export shell variables'
[12:42] <Cashel> lsuactiafner, I have on prev distros .... kinda happy w/ ubuntu the way it is, for now at least..
[12:43] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way I can get a deb package for OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta 2?
[12:43] <Rabih> Thank you!
[12:43] <Cashel> lsuactiafner, as usual, I'll wait until I have a problem that requires it, heheh
[12:43] <Carpe_Libertatem> err..
[12:43] <sedatc> ompaul, I know some part of it 'shell variable' I used before them but I never see or use executables before
[12:43] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, can you search mondo with $ apt-cache search mondo ?
[12:43] <ompaul> sedatc, np have fun in this more obvious world as you loose the shackels of the bad mindset of other operating systems with their almost random restrictions and funny syntax
[12:43] <Alex_BO> HappyFool, with your sources.list i can find only mondo-doc
[12:44] <HappyFool> Alex_BO: mondo - powerful disaster recovery suite
[12:44] <Cashel> unimportant question but is there any reason not to use alien packages if they work? (if they dont, thats ubviously a good reason, hehe)
[12:44] <sedatc> ompaul, I mean ELF that use shared library
[12:44] <HappyFool> Cashel: one reason might be not getting updates from ubuntu repos automatically
[12:44] <bimberi> Alex_BO: are you using amd64?
[12:44] <HappyFool> Cashel: but if the software isn't in the repos, you'd need to manually do that anyway
[12:44] <Alex_BO> bimberi, yes
[12:45] <ompaul> sedatc, so look at shared library on google if you have a specific question then ask it - shared libs are exactly what they say on the tin - shared and can be called by several execuatables
[12:45] <Alex_BO> bimberi, don't say me that there isn't a version for amd64
[12:45] <bimberi> Alex_BO: alright I won't then :(
[12:45] <sedatc> when I start ubuntu I get a warning that says utf8 for fat32 is not recommended iocharset. I wonder what I should use instead
[12:46] <sedatc> ompaul, thanks I will google it
[12:46] <bimberi> Alex_BO: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/mondo
[12:46] <Rabih> I'm going to try it out now, bye.
[12:46] <sedatc> ompaul, I already solve my problem
[12:46] <Cashel> I see.. so no performance reasons? I ask because I installed several libraries that way...  (other than build, which would be the case anyways)
[12:46] <ompaul> sedatc, and you learn some too, not a bad day all around
[12:46] <Alex_BO> nooooooo!only for i386!!!!
[12:47] <Alex_BO> so, can't i use it?
[12:47] <sedatc> ompaul, yes thank a lot
[12:47] <HappyFool> Cashel: i can't see how performance would come into it
[12:47] <ompaul> sedatc, np
[12:47] <sedatc> ompaul, can you answer my other question about iocharset for fat32
[12:48] <ompaul> sedatc, no, because I have no fat32 or ntfs so I do not learn how to do anything with it
[12:48] <Cashel> good to know thanks..
[12:48] <sedatc> ompaul, okey thank you anyway
[12:49] <ompaul> sedatc, np have a great day
[12:49] <brownie17> how do i change permissions on a directory through the terminal?
[12:49] <dbzdeath> brownie17: chmod
[12:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> chmod ### <dir>
[12:49] <bimberi> Alex_BO: Have a look here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[12:50] <ompaul> brownie17, what do you want to change them to? and as a matter of interest what directory do you want to change?
[12:50] <brownie17> i unzipped a folder to my desktop, and now i want to delete the folder
[12:51] <sedatc> HappyFool, have you got any suggestion fro my question about iocharset for fat32
[12:51] <brownie17> chmod ### <dir>
[12:51] <ompaul> brownie17, so that is to delete the file
[12:51] <ompaul> brownie17, did you unzip it as root?
[12:51] <Cashel> rm -r /home/theuser/Desktop/foldername
[12:51] <brownie17> no... but i still dont hav persmissons to delete it
[12:52] <ompaul> brownie17, ls -l foldername please
[12:52] <brownie17> cashel: tried that, it said i didnt have permission to do it
[12:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> sudo rm -are <dir> maybe ?
[12:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> err
[12:52] <brownie17> the foldername is Linux
[12:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> rm -are
[12:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> Oh, I see the problem...
[12:52] <ompaul> brownie17, ls -l Linux  please
[12:53] <HappyFool> sedatc: i'm not sure. have you had any problems yet?
[12:53] <brownie17> fraser@brownie:~$ ls -l /home/fraser/Desktop/Linux
[12:53] <brownie17> total 40
[12:53] <brownie17> -r--r--r--  1 root root 34844 2001-04-03 18:27 audio1_3_tar.gz
[12:53] <brownie17> -r--r--r--  1 root root  2844 2001-04-03 18:27 ReleaseNotes.txt
[12:54] <brownie17> fraser@brownie:~$ sudo rm -are /home/fraser/Desktop/Linux
[12:54] <brownie17> Password:
[12:54] <brownie17> rm: invalid option -- a
[12:54] <brownie17> Try `rm --help' for more information.
[12:54] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[12:54] <Cashel> brownie17, rm -r is fine ... password is the same as the first user you created...
[12:55] <GranMaestro> Hi everybody, is matthew around here?
[12:55] <Cashel> matthew_w ?
[12:55] <dbzdeath> ahh gotta love gentoo users... so helpful
[12:55] <Seveas> matthew who?
[12:55] <ompaul> brownie17, 'sudo rm -rf  /home/fraser/Desktop/Linux'
[12:55] <GranMaestro> matthew east
[12:55] <Cashel> was helping him with fstab about ummmm 2 hours ago, 3 maybe...
[12:55] <Seveas> !seen mdke
[12:56] <Cashel> o
[12:56] <GranMaestro> trying to start ubuntu from an external fwdrive
[12:56] <GranMaestro> can anybody help?
[12:56] <Rabih> Ho.
[12:56] <Seveas> GranMaestro, mdke is not around right now
[12:56] <Cashel> wb Rabih
[12:56] <Rabih> WLAN-installation part 2 ;)
[12:57] <GranMaestro> Seveas, any idea where to get hold of him?
[12:57] <Rabih> So, the readme says as mentioned: $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules (Where /path/to/source is the path to the source directory for the (configured and built) target kernel.)
[12:57] <Cashel> yay! a package manager that actualy works! what a change
[12:58] <Seveas> GranMaestro, the mailing lists or #ubuntu-doc when he's there
[12:58] <Rabih> So I tried: make -C /usr/src/linux SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[12:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know what the debian package is for Deerpark?
[12:58] <Rabih> It says: make: *** /usr/src/linux: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden.  Schluss.
[12:58] <GranMaestro> Seveas, sorry to bother.. which mailing list? :)
[12:58] <Rabih> (File or directory not find. End.)
[12:59] <Seveas><EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ubuntu-doc@lists
[12:59] <GranMaestro> Seveas, OK thanks
[12:59] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ich habe ein Meerschweinchen!
[01:00] <HappyFool> sea-pig ?
[01:00] <Rabih> I also tried the same with /usr/include/linux and /usr/include. Then it says: make: Gehe in Verzeichnis /usr/include/linux
[01:00] <Rabih> make: *** Keine Regel, um "modules" zu erstellen.  Schluss.
[01:00] <Rabih> make: Verlasse Verzeichnis "/usr/include/linux"
[01:00] <Rabih> (No rule to create "modules". End.)
[01:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> Guinea Pig.
[01:00] <Seveas> Rabih, what are you compiling?
[01:00] <Rabih> Can anybody help me?
[01:00] <HappyFool> Rabih: try /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/
[01:00] <Rabih> A driver for a WLAN-card
[01:00] <Seveas> which?
[01:00] <Rabih> RT2500
[01:01] <Seveas> they have drivers in ubuntu
[01:01] <Rabih> But it doesn't work?
[01:01] <Seveas> it does for lots of people
[01:01] <Rabih> The card is not shown in the network properties
[01:01] <Rabih> only in the device manager
[01:01] <Seveas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[01:01] <Seveas> read that
[01:03] <meeep> hi. im trying to get sound with games, like tuxraces and enemyterritory, it works fine in players(esound) but not in games? what can be do
[01:03] <Rabih> That's nice, but all those wget and apt-get doesn't work without internet connection
[01:03] <Seveas> Rabih, true...
[01:03] <Seveas> (for the wget)
[01:03] <Seveas> the apt-get things are on the cd
[01:03] <Rabih> Ah
[01:03] <Rabih> Okay
[01:03] <Seveas> and the one wget thing can be downloaded manuall
[01:03] <Seveas> y
[01:04] <jack-> question: if i want to run windows on my ubuntu pc..is wine ok or should i get vmware instead?
[01:04] <Seveas> vmware
[01:04] <Rabih> Well, thank you very much.
[01:04] <Rabih> I'll try it out now.
[01:04] <Rabih> So I've got to leave.
[01:04] <Seveas> good luck!
[01:04] <Rabih> Thanks!
[01:05] <jack-> does wine suck?
[01:05] <Rabih> Bye!
[01:05] <jack-> i'll give it a try
[01:05] <HappyFool> is it true one can get windows xp going with Xen ?
[01:05] <mjr> jack-, wine doesn't run windows, it reimplements it. Thus, it is also incomplete, and may or may not run the software you want.
[01:05] <jack-> ahh ok
[01:06] <Cashel> wine = Wine Is Not an Emulator  ... gotta love circular definitions...
[01:06] <jack-> so vmware is like the only way to "emulate" a full windows inside linux, right?
[01:07] <mjr> jack-, no, not the only way, there are other similiar solutions, eg. the free qemu
[01:07] <mjr> vmware is probably the fastest though
[01:07] <jack-> nice, ok
[01:07] <brownie17> am i still banned
[01:07] <brownie17> no
[01:07] <brownie17> yay!
[01:07] <brownie17> ok
[01:08] <brownie17> i have a problem, when i got to type "apt-get update" i get the following error message http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1894
[01:08] <HappyFool> according to this http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8540 some guys have gotten windows xp sp2 running on some weird hardware
[01:08] <HappyFool> err
[01:08] <jinroh> xsane 0.9.6, ubuntu 5.0.4, Problem - xsane will not recogonize my scanner.  It only see my tv card.  If I run xsane as root the scanner is recognize; but, xsane recommends that you don't run as root.  My user is a member of the scanner group. Does anyone have any ideas how to correct this problem?
[01:08] <robert-in-au> GNU -> GNU's Not Unix
[01:09] <HappyFool> on Xen on some weird hardware, that is
[01:09] <robert-in-au> are you trying to run apt-get and synaptic at the same time?
[01:09] <HappyFool> brownie17: try 'sudo apt-get <whatever>'
[01:09] <brownie17> nope
[01:09] <robert-in-au> try sudo
[01:10] <brownie17> haha, darn sudo
[01:10] <brownie17> i always make stupid mistakes like that
[01:10] <brownie17> :)
[01:10] <dbzdeath> yeah i don't use sudo... i only find it a pain
[01:10] <brownie17> thanks
[01:11] <dbzdeath> i know what i'm doing not to fuck something up royally :P
[01:11] <brownie17> why don't people always use the root terminal?
[01:11] <robert-in-au> i cant get ndiswrapper to work - what is the driver file you need ?
[01:11] <dbzdeath> brownie17: ^^^ to do with that
[01:11] <dbzdeath> sudo has some good uses
[01:11] <brownie17> i get ya
[01:11] <dbzdeath> sudo = good for noobs
[01:11] <HappyFool> !ndiswrapper
[01:11] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:11] <dbzdeath> i much prefer su :)
[01:12] <robert-in-au> and if you don't want to keep sudo'ing then you can "sudo su"
[01:12] <HappyFool> you can use 'sudo -s' to get a root shell
[01:12] <ompaul> dbzdeath, sudo is in every security book it was developed in or about 1980 and you know better :) I love it :)
[01:12] <HappyFool> i believe 'sudo su' is not recommended, though i'm not sure why
[01:12] <dbzdeath> robert-in-au: ya or you can set a root password(my preferred method)
[01:12] <robert-in-au> i am following that guide
[01:13] <LaserLine> what's the best Emule client for Ubuntu ?
[01:13] <ompaul> !sudo
[01:13] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:13] <dbzdeath> ompaul: heh it has its disadvantages... like a user often won't put a complex password for their normal user account ... and if they are a sudoer ...
[01:13] <robert-in-au> yea but i dont bother - you can log in as a root user without that
[01:14] <thenuke> dbzdeath: if user does not have good passwords.. why on earth he would then have strong password for root
[01:14] <dbzdeath> thenuke: i'm talking in a environment with no root password(sudo only)
[01:15] <brownie17> how can i check if totem is set up to use xine
[01:15] <HappyFool> irresponsible users should not have admin rights
[01:15] <ompaul> dbzdeath, they should have good passwords from one end of their access to the other
[01:15] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: true .. but that isn't always the case
[01:15] <robert-in-au> dbzdeath: if you kill gdm then you can log in and then sudo startx"
[01:15] <dbzdeath> ompaul: ya they *SHOULD* but they don't
[01:16] <robert-in-au> brb - dinner
[01:16] <dbzdeath> robert-in-au: ... what? ... that will just run gnome as root
[01:16] <ompaul> one concurs but that is no reason to abandon the additional logging of sudo over su - yes you can give me the 'bash and trace' arguements but at the end of the day sudo beats su hands down
[01:16] <brownie17> how can i check if totem is set up to use xine
[01:17] <kemik> using sudo really isnt that hard ;)
[01:17] <ompaul> brownie17, apt-get install totem-xine
[01:17] <kemik> and there's not many tasks in every-day use that relly require root privileges
[01:17] <highvoltage> hi. which audio rippers work well under ubuntu besides sound-juicer (specifically for mp3)
[01:17] <dbzdeath> kemik: tis a pain when you gotta do a lot of work as root
[01:17] <Nalioth> highvoltage: grip
[01:17] <jack-> highvoltage: cdparanoia, cdda2wav
[01:17] <highvoltage> ok, i'll try those.
[01:18] <brownie17> ompaul: it says its going to remove gstreamer, i dont want it to do that do i?
[01:18] <kemik> dbzdeath:  there is "sudo -i" if you really dont have time to prefix with sudo ;)
[01:18] <ompaul> dbzdeath, now there is not that much work to do and sudo X works for 15 minutes after the first kick off unless you change the values
[01:18] <ompaul> brownie17, you want xine and totem so you do want to do that
[01:18] <kemik> i've even begun to use sudo on my other non-ubuntu boxes
[01:18] <highvoltage> i saw one similar to sound-juicer that was great, but can't remember what it was called.
[01:18] <kemik> instead of using su -
[01:18] <jack-> thats grp, i bet
[01:18] <ompaul> kemik, and you find administration as easy I take it
[01:18] <jack-> erm, grip
[01:19] <brownie17> ompaul: but without Gstreamer i won't be able to play mp3's and stuff nwo will i?
[01:19] <jack-> cdparanoia/cdda2wav are console things
[01:19] <kemik> ompaul:  ofcourse, if i was bugged out with sudo i wouldnt install it ;)
[01:19] <ompaul> brownie17, ehh you will use totem
[01:19] <apokryphos> brownie17: it's not removing gstreamer
[01:19] <apokryphos> brownie17: only totem-gstreamer.
[01:19] <Nalioth> apokryphos: howdy
[01:19] <apokryphos> hi there
[01:19] <brownie17> apokryphos, so in all other programs, i can play mp3's?
[01:19] <dbzdeath> i still prefer to have a root account
[01:20] <apokryphos> Nalioth: nothing quite like a siesta in the day
[01:20] <ompaul> dbzdeath, that is really very close to trolling in here, you have told us that several times
[01:20] <apokryphos> brownie17: you're not removing gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:20] <brownie17> apokryphos, aren't I? ok
[01:20] <apokryphos> brownie17: it tells you exactly what it removes
[01:20] <brownie17> apokryphos: i don't fully understand, but i think i get the gist of it
[01:21] <apokryphos> brownie17: what does it say it's giong to *remove*? Only totem-gstreamer, eh?
[01:21] <brownie17> apokryphos: yeh, only totem-gstreamer, that's all
[01:21] <dbzdeath> ompaul: hmmm ... and you keep trying to fight me on my opinion...
[01:21] <apokryphos> brownie17: then it's only removing the gstreamer-backend for *totem*
[01:21] <apokryphos> brownie17: since totem will now be using the xine engine
[01:22] <brownie17> apokryphos: will totem run mp3's through xine now?
[01:22] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:22] <brownie17> oh ok, so no worries?
[01:22] <brownie17> goodie
[01:22] <apokryphos> (well, it should -- I play mp3s with amaroK)
[01:22] <Nalioth> apokryphos: i work on weekends only, 18 to 6 sat and sun nights
[01:22] <apokryphos> (with the xine engine)
[01:22] <ompaul> dbzdeath, no I have told you in my opinion you are wrong, and that of most of the people who help in here, that is all, but I would suggest you are missing the point if you use a root account
[01:23] <ompaul> apokryphos, with super cow powers?
[01:23] <hume> hi.... i got a character set problem: i try to sync or copy files from my debian server running iso8859-1 to my ubuntu laptop (utf-8) through ssh,  and get character conversion problems. Is there a way to tell ssh to translate between iso8859-1 and utf8?
[01:23] <dbzdeath> ompaul: ... you do realise i don't STAY logged in as root...
[01:24] <queuetue> Hello. Can anyone recommend how to have a linux server that goes to sleep and wakes up on http and ssh requests?  A) is this possible?  B) Can someone show me docs?
[01:25] <ompaul> dbzdeath, not the point, I do not agree with using root except when installing that is it, not open to debate with me, I would need a thesis to convince me that I have the wrong opinion
[01:25] <codenut> who developed the "sudo" command?
[01:25] <brownie17> so what does the "su" command do? what is the difference between that and "sudo"