[00:00] <LINKSWORD2> .... That sounds like something they should add, then.
[00:01] <claydoh> you can tweak Amarok's notification a little in its settings
[00:02] <LINKSWORD2> Yes, but I'd rather that it used the system notification.... KNotify.
[00:02] <LINKSWORD2> And be able to tweak that.
[00:02] <claydoh> but doing so for each application might mean each application adding in that functioanlity
[00:03] <LINKSWORD2> Any way to work around that, possibly?
[00:03] <claydoh> dunno
[00:15] <SharkMonkey> Is Kubuntu's KDE experience close to the standard KDE?
[00:26] <Walzmyn> SharkMonkey: should be
[00:36] <Walzmyn> anybody know why the sound in Linux is so much quiter than in Windows on my Laptop?
[00:42] <SharkMonkey> Walzmyn, I'd use alsamixer or something to check if all the channel are set to as high as they ought to be
[00:43] <SharkMonkey> The master channel might be all the way up, but the speaker volume might be at 50%
[00:44] <Walzmyn> SharkMonkey: everything that possibly can be is set at maximum
[00:58] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I think I'm going to sign off...
[02:06] <Roey> hi
[02:06] <Roey> https://imgur.com/a/XulUq  <-- is this happening for anyone else?
[02:07] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure I understand...
[02:07] <Roey> LINKSWORD2:  did you look at the image?
[02:07] <LINKSWORD2> Roey: Please explain what you're seeing in those images.
[02:07] <LINKSWORD2> Yes.
[02:07] <Roey> did you see how the tasks look squished in taskmanager?
[02:07] <Roey> I don't know why.;
[02:07] <tonymc> i simply don't use multiple rows
[02:08] <tonymc> prefer windows 7-esque taskbar
[02:08] <Roey> yeah but it worked until KDE 4.7...
[02:08] <tonymc> maybe try different task manager?
[02:08] <tonymc> like smooth tasks
[02:08] <tonymc> on a side note, does anyone here know about debian packaging?
[02:09] <Roey> nein
[02:09] <tonymc> dammit
[02:09] <Roey> a different task manager.  I dunno.  I just want to know why this doesn't work as intended (I am following up on #kde)
[02:09] <Roey> hey tonymc
[02:10] <tonymc> mm?
[02:11] <Roey> ?
[02:19] <briggs> hello
[03:47] <JDCoolMan21> Hello all :-)
[03:47] <JDCoolMan21> any one here?
[03:48] <JDCoolMan21> I have a technical problem
[03:49] <JDCoolMan21> I have somehow lost the bar at the top of every page/program/window I open, and so now I dont have the ability to close any windows, or minimize anything... :-(
[04:08] <LINKSWORD2> I'm having a very odd problem with visual themes or appearances.
[04:08] <LINKSWORD2> And I'm not sure what happened.
[05:04] <jontec> I have an issue with the 10.10 livecd for ppc. I have formatted a new drive with an hfs (for yaboot), ext3, and swap partition. The installer fails at "Scanning disks... 100%" after indicating which partititions to use for what.
[05:31] <SharkMonkey> how the heck are you supposed to see anything with krunner's transparency?
[05:32] <SharkMonkey> half the time it's over a dark window and I can't read the output
[05:40] <Shirakawasuna> do you have the blur effect turned on?  It can help text visibility on transparent windows
[05:40] <Shirakawasuna> I use a dark theme anyways (no transparency), which is also an option
[05:45] <kde3ftw> anyone have any experience with servicemenus?  I'm trying to make a right click open with console here for folders but when I use it, it always sends me to the ~ directory not the directory i right clicked on.  My servicemenu .desktop file is here: http://pastebin.com/Z75CeD2f .
[06:29] <noaXess> good morning
[06:31] <noaXess> since upgraded to kde 4.7 i get a empty space in task manager: http://i.imgur.com/4MJCX.png some of you also have this problem?
[06:54] <corinth> Is there any option for exchange email in Kubuntu?
[07:05] <alvin> corinth: I have never tried it, but I think there's an Akonadi MAPI connector. Maybe it's still in development.
[07:48] <fayaz_> hi, how do i change keyboard layout of the virtual terminal?
[08:55] <SmokingCoyote> Hello I need some advice
[09:10] <nuovodna> hi, i have a little problem with kpackagekit. On the first boot i inserted the wrong password and now when i try to update my system i receive an authorization error. How can i reset the password for kpackagekit ?
[10:07] <sebalec> salut
[10:08] <sebalec> quelqu'un pourrait-il m'aider à résoudre un problème ?
[10:33] <jang> здрасти
[10:43] <systemclient> how can I rename my volume from "SEAGATE ST4651321A" to something different?
[10:47] <James147> systemclient: what filesystem dose it have?
[10:47] <systemclient> EXT4
[10:48] <alboy> OK. this is all very confusing and I haven't got a clue what I'm doing, just trying to follow the guides on Kubuntu. Can I find out here how to get the sound working on my PC?
[10:49] <systemclient> alboy: what kind of speakers do you have? Regular headphone jack, or USB?
[10:49] <systemclient> with my regular headphone jacks, the volume was just turned down to zero!
[10:49] <alboy> headphone jack
[10:50] <alboy> i've checked all the connections and volume and these are all turned up
[10:50] <James147> systemclient: then add a label to the device ^^ (see e2label)
[10:51] <systemclient> James147: e2label is a tool?
[10:51] <James147> yes
[11:14] <kalib> Hi people. When I turn on my computer and kubuntu starts to boot, I can see a kind of blue screen with "Loading Linux 2.6.35-25... etc...
[11:14] <kalib> Hos can I see a verbose mode of this boot?
[11:14] <kalib> I mean.. What's really goin on on this boot. Modules, etc.
[11:17] <tonymc> you can remove the "splash" from your boot option
[11:17] <tonymc> or, if you want to see the raw guts of linux booting, you can remove the "quiet" option too
[11:19] <kalib> Hi people. When I turn on my computer and kubuntu starts to boot, I can see a kind of blue screen with "Loading Linux 2.6.35-25... etc...
[11:19] <kalib> How can I see a verbose mode of this boot?
[11:19] <kalib> I mean.. What's really goin on on this boot.  I'm pretty sure they're already preformatted, which might be why it's failing. How do I make it stop trying?
[12:02] <lly> hi
[12:08] <_BS_> Just brought home new system, asrock z68, i7-2600k, installed lts. Anything I should be doing to make best advantage of this hardware? e.g. running 2.6.32-33-generic. Should I be running i686 or something else?
[12:08] <_BS_> i.e. It's running that, should I be running something else.
[12:08] <LogicallyDashing> i7 you say? intel core 7?
[12:08] <_BS_> Yep.
[12:09] <tsimpson> _BS_: there is no i686 version any more, -generic detects your hardware and adjusts itself accordingly (Linux is smart :)
[12:10] <_BS_> tsimpson: Um. Not. (e.g. Never used to be in the way that you describe.) But getting smarter all the time? (Cool that it does as you describe - thanks for that.)
[12:10] <LogicallyDashing> _BS_ you *might* benefit from installing the x64 version of kubuntu
[12:10] <LogicallyDashing> mainly, if you try to install more than 4 gigs of RAM
[12:10] <_BS_> D'oh. Sorry, should have said lts 64-bit.
[12:10] <LogicallyDashing> oh
[12:10] <_BS_> 8GB RAM installed and happy.
[12:10] <tsimpson> some things are more... annoying.. in 64bit still
[12:10] <LogicallyDashing> well then you're not running i686 at all :p
[12:11] <_BS_> D'oh! Didn't say I was running i686, was asking. And I take your point ... d'oh. Will work on mental translations from 32 to 64. (First 64 system, for me.)
[12:12] <LogicallyDashing> ok well. if it's multicore you could run the realtime kernel.
[12:12] <tsimpson> you don't need a real-time kernel for multi-core
[12:12] <LogicallyDashing> didn't say so
[12:12] <tsimpson> it's mostly useful for media servers
[12:12] <_BS_> Expect to be running multiple vm's, so knew 4GB wasn't going to do it, off the bat. Guess I forget to explain these minor, obviously trivial, details, when asking questions. (-:
[12:12] <LogicallyDashing> oh, well, in that case the *VMs* should probably use the RT kernel
[12:13] <LogicallyDashing> hmm you've got ia32 installed?
[12:13] <_BS_> Interesting. RT kernel designations are??? One machine will be personal workhorse, other one will be gateway / myth + 1080i TV.
[12:14] <_BS_> ia32?
[12:15] <_BS_> ia32 - doesn't look like it. I expect the system is so recently installed that such packages haven't been auto-installed for lack of need, yet.
[12:17] <_BS_> For example - monitor only doing 800x600. Then realized due to loading OS while on KVM. Boot with monitor direct attached, all is well. So, question: What do I need to do so when boot in KVM, it understands the monitor on the other side of the KVM. More ...
[12:17] <LogicallyDashing> _BS_ ia32 lets you run 32 bit apps natively
[12:17] <_BS_> Have monitor settings from old system in its xorg.conf. So, how to do new / current xrandr magic?
[12:18] <LogicallyDashing> _BS_ when you say you're booting in kvm does that mean you're running kvm on the command line? if so, you set the DISPLAY variable
[12:18] <_BS_> ia32, then, will presumably be pulled in auto-magically if/when I try to get a 32-bit app. [I take your point, I will want ia32 then. At some point.]
[12:19] <LogicallyDashing> yeah, assuming you get said app thru the repositories, which is unlikely
[12:20] <_BS_> Sorry ... I forget kvm is software as well. KVM here means my Keyboard/Video/Monitor hardware doohickey, connecting my old and new systems. From my reading, I'm guessing the monitor EBID (?) is not getting pass the KVM at boot to the kernel.
[12:20] <LogicallyDashing> this is more for running closed-source things, or things you can't compile for whatever reason
[12:20] <_BS_> ia32 - gotcha. Note to self, when non-repository 32-bit app fails, go get ia32. Thanks.
[12:20] <LogicallyDashing> yw
[12:21] <LogicallyDashing> hmm, normally I'd set up medibuntu and getdeb on a new machine
[12:21] <_BS_> Yep, soon as you said it, I clued in. Many in the local lug have run into this / mentioned it.
[12:22] <LogicallyDashing> and if you're going to be using WINE I'd recommend the PPA for that as well
[12:22] <LogicallyDashing> otherwise... not thinking of anything
[12:23] <_BS_> Yeah, well, at the moment I'm just getting going on the 'basics'. When all is well / etc., I'll clone it off to the other machine, then work on the machine specific roles.
[12:23] <_BS_> 'ppa'?
[12:24] <LogicallyDashing> Personal Package Archive, the new-ish way of setting up a third-party repository
[12:24] <_BS_> Wish lm-sensors understood the hardware. Some day. It's a little sweet to see 8 cores going in ksysguard, though.
[12:25] <_BS_> BIOS auto-overclocking to 4.8 GHz, 1600 mem CL7. Some day an SSD even ... (-:
[12:26] <LogicallyDashing> for instance, to add the WINE repo, you say 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa' and you're done
[12:26] <_BS_> So ... 'nother problem ... on board NIC no workie. lshw says Broadcom - NetLink BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe?  WINE will never be installed. If I have my druthers, windows software will never again hit any computer of mine. Sadly, I'm dreaming. My netbook usually runs Win 7, and I'll vm my old XP macine into it.
[12:28] <_BS_> Yeah, well - it be on the motherboard. At least I only have to go through the hassle once, then get on with my day for a few years.
[12:29] <_BS_> VM XP machine into new system, not netbook. ~-)
[12:44] <_BS_> bbl
[13:35] <ronnoc> Hello Kubuntu friends! I'm having an issue that I'm hoping you all can help out with: Running Kubuntu 10.10 with latest available kernel and updates. It seems that I have lost sound on my PC. In the terminal, alsamixer shows all is well and all volumes are up - appears to be a KDE issue as I no longer have a volume indicator at boot. It does show up eventually, but when it does clicking it does nothing. Ideas?
[13:36] <LogicallyDashing> Isn't 10.10 EOL?
[13:38] <James147> LogicallyDashing: not yet (April 2012)
[13:38] <ronnoc> LogicallyDashing: No support is 18 months AFAIK
[13:38] <sorush20> help, my calendar in kontact is missing..
[13:38] <sorush20> where do I import it from ..
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:52] <ronnoc> Hi BluesKaj
[13:58] <MannyNz> what did i do wrong when after the distri upgrade to 11.04 i have kde till the login and then am in genome. then i installed kubuntu-desktop and deinstalled ubuntu-desktop. didnt help. then i installed kde-full and now the partition is full and my window manager still doesn't work
[14:03] <James147> MannyNz: change the session type on teh login manager
[14:04] <MannyNz> tried that didn't help either. but why did it come up with gnome at the first place, when i ever used kde 0o
[14:04] <MannyNz> at the moment the state ist, that i get thrown back to the konsole since neither window manager can start, since the partition got written full with kde-full
[14:06] <James147> MannyNz: your / drive is full? well thats probally the problem then#
[14:06] <James147> "sudo apt-get clean" should freeup some space
[14:07] <MannyNz> yeah, but it wasn't after the distri-upgrade, at the moment i try to get some more space ( anyone knows how to undo the kde-full installation so that all the stuff gets desinstalled except the kde-standard?)
[14:08] <MannyNz> well theres about 150mb free now. lets see what works and what doesnt
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hi ronnoc , James147
[14:12] <MannyNz> now lxde started 0o ... something really got messed up
[14:13] <James147> MannyNz: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[14:13] <MannyNz> okay hold on a sec
[14:15] <MannyNz> okay did that
[14:16] <MannyNz> still starts with lxde .. somehow the kde isnt installed properly or something alike
[14:18] <MannyNz> ups sorry, did dpkg --configure -a
[14:24] <MannyNz> hmm still starts with lxde. whats the proper command to really get rid of any grafical interfaces but kde ?
[14:26] <Linkmaster> !pure-kde | MannyNz
[14:27] <Linkmaster> !kde
[14:27] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[14:27] <Linkmaster> I forgot the ubottu command for the purekde, let me find it online
[14:27] <MannyNz> okay
[14:27] <MannyNz> ill give it a try, hope that helps :)
[14:28] <Linkmaster> MannyNz: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[14:29] <Linkmaster> ah, thanks BluesKaj :D
[14:37] <_BS_> Have new system. mb net not working - lshw says 'NetLink BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe'. How to get going?
[14:40] <MannyNz> is there also a page/ command to undo the effects of kde-full, since im quite happy with the normal kde and dont need all that stuff that got installed with kde-full
[14:40] <sayakb> hi, how do i play rmvb files on kubuntu? VLC doesn't seem to render them well enough
[14:41] <BluesKaj> _BS_, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart , if that doesn't connect try , sudo dhclient eth0
[14:42] <_BS_> BluesKaj - have 2nd nic in pci slot, it's working fine. 2nd eth port not even listed.
[14:42] <sayakb> seems like dragon player handles them quite fine
[14:44] <BluesKaj> _BS_, well , seems you'll have to make one the default nic, unless you want some unusual set where you connect to the net with 2 nics, which I have no experience with
[14:46] <_BS_> BluesKaj - I'd be happy to make one a default nic, my issue is I don't even see the other one. Ultimate intent is one nic internal facing, other external facing. Thus far, this feels like a hardware detection / driver issue.
[14:48] <_BS_> Hmmm. So maybe start with logs? Since lshw shows nic, something in logs should say something about it. Which log might make such a reference, in /var/log?
[14:49] <_BS_> Hmmm. dpkg.log / jockey.log make references to bcmwl- (this is not a wi-fi nic). And I see 'status half-installed'
[14:50] <_BS_> All reference to bcmwl-modaliases or modalias
[14:52] <BluesKaj> _BS_, why not let the router handle the lan and the internet
[14:52] <BluesKaj> !bcm | _BS_
[14:53] <_BS_> BluesKaj - eventually this system will be the router.
[14:55] <_BS_> Oh, for pity's sake. I suspect the Netlink I'm seeing is the one that's working. How to connect lshw output to eth0 to prove they are one in the same? AND, how to wake up / get the one on the MB going. Question: If no cable connected to nic at boot, does nic disappear?
[14:55] <_BS_> BluesKaj - as I said, this is NOT a wi-fi nic.
[14:58] <_BS_> Never mind last comment on nic - looks like the PCI card is a 3com, so, of course, it would work out of the box. Back to the BCM problem then. lshw is detecting it, but not showing up on interface list. What do I need to do to make it happy?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yes _BS_ , isee that it's an ethernet nic , but I thought you wanted to run wifi as well , misunderstood . So you want to use the pc as the gateway interface
[15:00] <_BS_> Confirmed, daemon.log, syslog, indicate eth0 driver 3c59x, so mb bcm the problem.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> _BS_, find a driver for the BCM card ...and yes it should be connected , then the driver  will auto activate since it's an ethernet card
[15:01] <_BS_> BluesKaj - right now, I just want to see both nics showing up as interfaces.
[15:01] <_BS_> OK, how to 'find a driver'?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> _BS_, I'm not sure , but "bridge-utils"  might fit your needs
[15:04] <BluesKaj> _BS_, I think the driver is already in the kernel , no need to search
[15:11] <_BS_> BluesKaj - ok, I can see how that will ultimately be useful, but it can't work with nics not apparently present. Let me reboot and see if the nic comes up now (it shouldn't), but I may not have tried since LiveCD testing. Have installed and updated since.
[15:20] <_BS_> Nope. No nic. Sees the 3com (no address as cable on other nic). Suggestions / 'find a driver'?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> _BS_, sudo lshw -C network , pastebin the output , so we can check the hardware
[15:33] <_BS_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/661198/
[15:35] <tonymc> i have updated from Kubuntu PPA
[15:36] <tonymc> and now my network manager plasmoid is not working
[15:36] <tonymc> the connection itself is OK, but the plasmoid says it's unavailable
[15:43] <BluesKaj> there seem to be plasma panel problems , tonymc , but I guess we have to live with them ...mty clock display the 12 hr format even tho it's dialog shows the AMPM format correctly
[15:44] <tonymc> at least they fixed the grid desktop issue
[15:44] <tonymc> i can haz my grid desktop back
[15:49] <_BS_> BluesKaj - being called, must step afk, bbl.
[16:27] <sorush20> hi, before I resote to google desktop how do access the indexed search data, it has finished indexing... now I need to access the interface and search for something..
[16:57] <george_> Hello. Earlier today, I've updated some kde components that prompted by KPK. Now, the applet for Network is displaying wrongly, it shows the icon for a wired connection (I'm connect through wi-fi) and I can't enable wi-fi when I click on it. When I pass the mouse over it, it says "wi-fi disable by hardware". Help, please?
[16:58] <Linkmaster> george_: have you wired the computer, and attempted to reinstall the wireless driver?
[17:01] <george_> Linkmaster:Not at all, I"ve just powered off after the upgrade. Now, I've powered on and it's like that.
[17:03] <Linkmaster> Try that, and see what happens. I had something similar happen[in my case, my computer wouldn't connect]. If reinstalling the driver doesn't work, then we can work from there - is your wireless card proprietary, or did it 'just work'?
[17:04] <george_> Linkmaster: Proprietary (additional driver). How do I reinstall it? And if I reinstall it, is there a chance that I lost the ability to coneect?
[17:06] <Linkmaster> george_: Connect your computer through an ethernet connection, then go to the kmenu, go to 'applications' go to 'system' then click on 'additional drivers'. If it says a wireless driver is active, deactivate it, then reactivate it. And to answer your question, reinstalling it will simply fix it
[17:07] <george_> Linkmaster:I have no ethernet connection...
[17:07] <Linkmaster> george_: how did you get your wireless to work the first time?
[17:07] <george_> I HAD a ethernet connection...
[17:08] <george_> Linkmaster:I HAD a ethernet connection
[17:08] <Linkmaster> Oh. Whats your wireless card?
[17:09] <george_> Linkmaster:It says Broadcom STA
[17:09] <Linkmaster> go to a terminal, and type in 'lspci' and find the section that says what your wireless card is, and tell me what it is
[17:11] <george_> Linkmaster: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[17:12] <Linkmaster> I hate broadcom wireless cards[I have one myself]
[17:12] <Linkmaster> Now, lets see how to fix it..
[17:15] <george_> Linkmaster: Ok...
[17:17] <Linkmaster> george_: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[17:17] <Linkmaster> That is the source code for the driver, if you disable the driver from jockey, then install that, it _should_ work
[17:20] <george_> Linkmaster: Oh, thank you... but it's a binary (tar.gz).  I wonder if all dependencies are ok...
[17:21] <erinaceus> Evening, does some here have experience with creating KDM Themes?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> erinaceus, check out www.kde-look.org
[17:22] <Linkmaster> george_: they should be, and if they aren't, they'll mention so in the compiling process. Make sure to read the README.txt file, to understand exactly how it works
[17:23] <george_> Linkmaster: Ok, thank you
[17:24] <erinaceus> BluesKaj: I know that u can get themes there however i'm currently trying to write my own.
[17:25] <BluesKaj> not many here write their own ...you'll be waiting for longtime if you expect help with that , but one never knows , someone might have some knowledge
[17:26] <BluesKaj> george_, so the regular bcm on ubuntu tutorials don't work ?
[17:26] <erinaceus> Damn thanks anyway
[17:27] <george_> BluesKaj: What?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !bcm
[17:27] <BluesKaj> george_, ^
[17:32] <alex_____> Cos'è sta cosa aiutatemi! >.<
[17:32] <Pici> !it | alex_____
[17:39] <george_> BluesKaj::)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> george_, ?
[17:47] <Briareos1> I used to get the contact fotos displayed in the email header in kde 3 - can I activate that in KDE4 too? (kmail 1.13.6 )
[18:10] <jmcombatt> Hello to all! Can anybody confirm WLAN not working anymore after todays round of updates?
[18:11] <Daskreech> jmcombatt: Hello! All isn't here can we take a message?
[18:11] <Daskreech>  jmcombatt: seriously though I can't confirm that
[18:12] <Daskreech> Briareos1: What do you mean?
[18:12] <sorush20> could someone help me with my problem, I've posted it on kubuntu forum http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3117874.0
[18:14] <sorush20> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3117874.0
[18:14] <Daskreech> sorush20: did you look at the config for the calendar?
[18:15] <sorush20> Daskreech: config in kontact?
[18:16] <jmcombatt> :) oh well, the risks of running with the "kubuntu proposed" ppa
[18:17] <sorush20> Daskreech: well the config in calendar doesn't show anything relevant... what should I be looking for?
[18:17] <Daskreech> sorush20: I meant the config files in ~/.kde
[18:17] <Daskreech> jmcombatt: :-) Indeed
[18:21] <jmcombatt> Daskreech: ;) at least my wired conexion is still working...half cup full
[18:21] <sorush20> Daskreech: what should I be looking for exactly? stdrc?
[18:22] <Daskreech> jmcombatt: Did you update your kernel?
[18:22] <Daskreech> sorush20: korganizer I would expect
[18:23] <juancamaney> hello
[18:24] <jmcombatt> Daskreech: Nop, just kde and other things like libsolidcontrol4abi2 and libprocessui4a
[18:24] <sorush20> Daskreech: the korganizer config file for the calendar is ics and it is giving me this error Unable to create calendar '/media/060A8B433F2B0A36/sorush4/663681941.ics'
[18:24] <Daskreech> jmcombatt: Using NM ?
[18:24] <sorush20> when I try to import it
[18:24] <Daskreech> sorush20: maybe mount that drive?
[18:24] <Daskreech> or filesystem
[18:25] <sorush20> Daskreech: its already mounted..
[18:25] <jmcombatt> Daskreech: yes, all from 4.7.0-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa5
[18:25] <Daskreech> sorush20: and the file exists?
[18:25] <sorush20> Daskreech: yes
[18:26] <Daskreech> jmcombatt: I updated the other day and kdenetwork had an issue with NM being too old. It might not be in that ppa
[18:26] <Daskreech> sorush20: what happens if you open the file directly?
[18:26] <sorush20> Daskreech: ownership is root.. shoudl I chenge it to my user name? but the permission is 777
[18:27] <Daskreech> sorush20: permissions should be ok
[18:27] <sorush20> Daskreech: it dosn't get addedd to the calendar list.. and its empty..
[18:28] <jmcombatt> Daskreech:  thanks for the tip, will search if  a newer version is available
[18:28] <Daskreech> sorush20: how big is the file? If you open it in Kate does it have contents?
[18:29] <sorush20> Daskreech: could be the worg file.. I found it as recent files in the korganiser config file.. it only has birthdays not the to dos
[18:32] <vertago1> anyone here use ppa?
[18:33] <sorush20> Daskreech: there is another file in the kde share apps korganiser.. and that is the one that has my to dos in it when I look up the file in kate.. but when I click on it I can't open it in korganiser
[18:33] <Daskreech> vertago1: yes
[18:33] <genii-around> vertago1: Thats a fairly vague question. Are you asking if people here have their own ppa, or if they are using the kubuntu ppa, or ppa's in general?
[18:33] <Daskreech> sorush20: You get an error?
[18:33] <Daskreech> genii-around: regardless I think the answer is yes :)
[18:33] <vertago1> kubuntu ppa
[18:33] <genii-around> Daskreech: Heh
[18:34] <vertago1> I just did an update and it broke plasma-widget-networkmanager
[18:34] <vertago1> atleast for my hardware
[18:34] <sorush20> Daskreech: yes Unable to create calendar '/home/sorush2/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics'.
[18:35] <jmcombatt> vertago1: We are now 2. Daskreech's tip was "I updated the other day and kdenetwork had an issue with NM being too old. It might not be in that ppa"
[18:35] <jmichaelx> vertago1: KDE would actually be a nice DE, if it were not always SO laden with bugs
[18:35] <Daskreech> sorush20: haven't played with calendars in a while. Perhaps check in #kontact
[18:35] <jmcombatt> vertago1: I am currently looking
[18:36] <jmichaelx> speaking of calendars, what in the world did they do with the calendar that you see whan you click on the clock in the panel? they have completely trashed it
[18:38] <jmichaelx> vertago1: for me, while the network manager widget in the system tray appears to be broken, i have working wireless anyways
[18:39] <vertago1> I uninstalled the kde widget and am using nm-applet to get on right now
[18:40] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: what about it?
[18:40] <jmichaelx> i was hoping that today's upgrade would fix the problem i (and a number of others) have been having with task manager icons not going away when they should.... it didn't
[18:40] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: what about what?
[18:41] <Daskreech> thecalendar
[18:41] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: ahh
[18:41] <vertago1> well I could try adding ppa:network-manager/ppa
[18:42] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: the calendar is now smaller, more and half or more of the pop-up window that contains it is unnecessarily consumed by some sort of information dialoge
[18:42] <jmichaelx> more than*
[18:43] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Hm? Screenshot?
[18:43] <vertago1> brb testing new pages
[18:43] <vertago1> *packages
[18:43] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i can maybe get you a screenshot, but not immediately... i just wish they had left this calendar alone
[18:44] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: ok. I dont' know I'm seeing the same thing that you are
[18:44] <jmichaelx> i also wish i'd had the wisdom to stay away from 4.7.
[18:44] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Go ultra conservative and upgrade to 4.8 when 4.9 comes out
[18:45] <jmichaelx> it seems the KDE devs are all about glitz, while allowing significant bugs to live on and on, iteration after iteration
[18:45] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i am tempted to operate just as you described
[18:45] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: That would be perfectly fine :)
[18:47] <jmichaelx> things have come a LONG way since the kde 4.0 fiasco (which nearly obliterated KDE's user base), but the devs still have not much more that a loose grasp of what differentiates alpha/beta/stable software
[18:47] <jmichaelx> than*
[18:48] <jmichaelx> i love KDE, but the quality control is poor
[18:49] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: It actually grew KDE's user base but ok :)
[18:49] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: You could help out with the bugsquad
[18:50] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i am sorry, but kde4.0 did not grow the user base... good grief
[18:50] <vertago1> ok so what is crazy is when I remove the plasma widget my eternet starts working
[18:51] <Daskreech> vertago1: probably not using NM then?
[18:51] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i can believe that by 4.3 or so, the user base was gaining again, but large numbers of people had no choice but to leave KDE after the 4.0 release (even if it was just for a time)
[18:51] <Daskreech> I suppose
[18:52] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yes, i should look into the bugsquad
[18:52] <macoud-nl> Hello
[18:52] <vertago1> Daskreech: I can see the NetworkManger process and when I removed the plasma widget I saw dhclient get called
[18:52] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: #kde-bugs
[18:52] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: ty
[18:53] <Daskreech> vertago1: That's what I meant. KDE would then use base linux networking
[18:55] <macoud-nl> i`ve installed Kubuntu over wubi
[18:56] <jmcombatt> vertago1: For me ethernet is working, only wireless is not worling after the update, with plasma widget showing a "Error: Invalid state" string
[18:57] <BluesKaj> I haven't used network manager since 9.04 ... I was shown the the light and the advantages of using /etc/network/interfaces and other networking tricks , and never looked back
[18:58] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: wise man
[18:58] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, well, it's easy with ethernet ...wifi is a different story
[18:59] <jmichaelx> jmcombatt: my plasma widget also says "error: invalid state", but the wireless is actually working
[18:59]  * BluesKaj wonders what will happen once my laptop is returned , and has kubuntu installed
[19:00] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: yes, for me /etc/network/interfaces is fine even for wireless for machines i just use on my home network. it is a different story for a mobile device that has to connect  to a variety of wireless networks
[19:00] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: where did you buy it?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> jmcombatt, there are some plasma widget problems that strictly graphical in nature and don't seem to affect the hardware settings
[19:04] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, my laptop is currently being used by my daughter in another city til she gets settled in her new place
[19:04] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: ahh, ok
[19:05] <BluesKaj> probly another month or so til I get to try the wifi withj kubuntu
[19:05] <ronnoc> Repost to follow - any help appreciated!
[19:05] <ronnoc> Hello Kubuntu friends! I'm having an issue that I'm hoping you all can help out with: Running Kubuntu 10.10 with latest available kernel and updates. It seems that I have lost sound on my PC. In the terminal, alsamixer shows all is well and all volumes are up - appears to be a KDE issue as I no longer have a volume indicator at boot. It does show up eventually, but when it does clicking it does nothing. Ideas?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> are you using wpa_supplicant for your wifi , jmichaelx
[19:06] <jmcombatt> BluesKaj: Well, hardware is ok, it was working before the update and is still blinking and would most likely work using /etc/network/interfaces. However, the plasma widget is just nice ;)
[19:07] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: on this machine, i had just been using kde's network manager widget... and now, even though the widget seems to be broken, my wireless is still working
[19:07] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, thank goodness for small mercies :)
[19:08] <jmichaelx> jmcombatt: the plasma widget is actually necessary for most wireless users. some KDE devs need to be smacked for releasing crap like this without testing it well
[19:09] <jmichaelx> i simply cannot believe that in the FOSS world, there cannot be some kind of new model for quality control followed
[19:10] <jmichaelx> some projects seem to still be somewhat unaware of how serious it is to break wireless for that project's users
[19:11] <jmcombatt> jmichaelx: Well, its my fault really. Running on proposed ppa is a bumpy ride, but I'm happy to help a little ;)
[19:12] <jmichaelx> jmcombatt: my network plasma widget broke, and i am not using a proposed ppa
[19:12] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, I get the feeling that this unity and gnome3 problem is drawing resources and devs from working on fixing what are considered small potatoes like plasma widgets
[19:13] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: is this plasma widget an ubuntu project? it appears to be the same widget i am using in fedora
[19:13] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: my impression is that this widget is done by KDE, and implemented by kubuntu
[19:14] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, dunno for sure , but suddenly I see alot of little problems that weren't ocurring before ,,,coincidence ?
[19:15] <MannyNz> what can be the problem, when i boot login and then nothing happens. i just see the login background - Xorg.0.log has no errors
[19:16] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: maybe coincidence, maybe not... all i know is that with KDE, external problems like Unity/Gnome3/etc are not needed for a bunch of buggy crap to be released. they do that fine on their own... regularly
[19:16] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: did you just upgrade to 4.7?
[19:17] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: more likely the underlying structure is done by people employed to work on GNOME and Core libs and the changes they make are only tested on latest GNOME builds and not really announced before hand to the rest of the world
[19:17] <MannyNz> i upgraded yesterday to 11.04 then the window managers gut messed up and today i desinstalled everything like gnome lxde,except kde
[19:17] <Daskreech> Kernel stuff is normally talked about for ages before it's put in as default. userspace is a lot more lax
[19:18] <MannyNz> then i did a nvidia-xconfig and rebooted
[19:18] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: you might want to make sure you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed
[19:18] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: what nvidia video adapter are you using?
[19:18] <MannyNz> aptitude says so, it is
[19:19] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: ok
[19:19] <MannyNz> nvidia current is installed
[19:19] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: what specific video adapter are you using?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, you're not implying that kde devs are given time to work as an afterthought
[19:21] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: Daskreech: i can easily believe that kubuntu devs are at a disadvantage... but come on, why can't things like this network manager widget be tested before being sent into the wold?
[19:21] <jmichaelx> wild*
[19:21] <MannyNz> nvidia-173-modaliases is installed ...
[19:21] <MannyNz> or do i get your question wrong, then tell me where i can look up which adapter is used :)
[19:21] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: that is a possible problem. Telepathy and a10n work pretty closely
[19:22] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: what is the output if you enter 'lscpi | grep -i vga'?
[19:22] <Daskreech> A lot of the other projects things are discovered when they are in the repo which already has a update in gtk libraries or so on
[19:23] <MannyNz> nvidia Corporation G92 [ Geforce GTS 250] reva2
[19:26] <jmichaelx> i wonder if it would make a difference whether or not nvidia-xconfig were run as root
[19:26] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: can you try 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'?
[19:26] <MannyNz> it was, otherwise it didnt had permition to write ( it said so )
[19:26] <jmichaelx> ok, makes sense
[19:27] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: are you able to log into the other desktop environments?
[19:28] <MannyNz> i just have kde installed, since i had a meshup of gnome, kde and lxde, what i wanted to avoid
[19:28] <BluesKaj> MannyNz,  kmenu apps settings , check to see if nivdia settings shows the driver settings
[19:28] <MannyNz> how can i do that from the konsole?
[19:31] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, sorry didn't read your post properly
[19:31] <MannyNz> no problem
[19:32] <MannyNz> its weird, because it gets to the point after login, but doesnt load/show the environment, just displays the login background
[19:32] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: what is the output you get for 'aptitude show nvidia-current | grep Version'
[19:33] <MannyNz> Version: 270.41.06-0ubuntu1
[19:35] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: i *think* that could be your problem
[19:36] <MannyNz> the wrong version?
[19:36] <jmichaelx> i am still checking on that
[19:36] <MannyNz> okay thanks alot sticking with me... never thought that upgrading to 11.04 causes me that much trouble :/
[19:37] <vertago1> Daskreech: I tracked the packages down to kubuntu backports, how hard it is it to revert all the packages you get from a particular repo?
[19:37] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: unfortunately, it does appear you have the correct version
[19:37] <Daskreech> vertago1: Umm i'd just disable the repo remove them then reinstall kubuntu-desktop or the packages themselves
[19:38] <MannyNz> oh damnit that not so good then
[19:40] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: i will be leaving soon... could you pastebin the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[19:40] <MannyNz> yeah hold on a sec
[19:41] <MannyNz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/661363/
[19:42] <jmichaelx> ok, i am not seeing a "Module" section, telling it to load glx
[19:42] <jmichaelx> can anyone else tell us whether or not that is significant?
[19:43] <MannyNz> i just used the backup from before the distri-upgrade with the result of a black screen and a curser in from of a X ... so the old one doesnt work either
[19:43] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, glxinfo 3d in the terminal
[19:44] <BluesKaj> or tty
[19:44] <MannyNz> unable to open display
[19:44] <vertago1> I found out a way to do it witout removing the packages: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432636
[19:46] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: my xorg.conf looks very abbreviated when compared to yours: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661369/
[19:47] <MannyNz> i used the failsafe xorg.conf resulting in an error: "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[19:48] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: you might try backing up your xorg.conf, and trying it with mine
[19:48] <MannyNz> yeah hold on
[19:48] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: how did you do your upgarde to 11.04?
[19:48] <jmichaelx> upgrade*
[19:51]  * BluesKaj thinks the default nouveau bug is at work here
[19:51] <MannyNz> weill your xorg.conf doesnt work either. same thing as with my old one .. black scree.
[19:51] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: what is the story with that bug?
[19:52] <MannyNz> i used that systemupdater thing (grafical interface)
[19:52] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter about xorg.conf , it's being ignored by the look of nvidia not found
[19:52] <MannyNz> update manager its called
[19:53] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: is there a workaround?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, sometimes the nomodeset after quiet splash in /etc/default/grub will work
[19:55] <BluesKaj> "quietspalsh nomodeset" then save and update grub
[19:56] <BluesKaj> oops "quiet splash nomodeset"
[19:56] <MannyNz> do you mean the entry: GRUB_CMDLINE_LNUX_DEFAULT="quet splash"
[19:56] <BluesKaj> yes MannyNz , that's it
[19:56] <jmichaelx> MannyNz: yes, but you should check the spelling
[19:56] <MannyNz> okay am rebooting right now
[19:57] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, and make sure you sudo update-grub
[19:58] <MannyNz> oki getting to the interesting part
[19:59] <MannyNz> nothing changed
[20:00] <MannyNz> after logging in it stays at the background picture of the login
[20:00] <BluesKaj> sudo update-grub ?
[20:00] <MannyNz> did that
[20:01] <MannyNz> it ran through and listed some header versions then finished and i rebooted
[20:01] <MannyNz> glxinfo still says: unable to open display
[20:02] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, ok back to the tty , sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current
[20:03] <MannyNz> well it doesnt list the nvidia-current, saying its an illegal command
[20:03] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, then nvidia-xconfig
[20:04] <MannyNz> sry my mistake
[20:04] <MannyNz> missed the install before the --reinsall
[20:05] <BluesKaj> yes the config file has to be removed and reconfigured
[20:06] <MannyNz> it installs again that 270.41.06 version
[20:07] <MannyNz> okay now i got an error with "nvidia-xconfig": Validation Error: data incomplete in file /etc/X11.xorg.conf. Undefined Device "(null9" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[20:08] <MannyNz> when i ran the command a second time the error dint show up anymore
[20:08] <BluesKaj> did ti create new xconfig tho ?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> it
[20:08] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:08] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, that's probly the right driver for your card , nvidia-current is the current driver that works with your card , hence not all nvidia-current drivers are the same
[20:08] <MannyNz> yeah
[20:09] <MannyNz> but when i do "startx" now i get the black screen again
[20:09] <MannyNz> is it a problem that i have connected two screens for creating the xorg conf?
[20:12] <MannyNz> That is the current: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661392/ and that the one from before the dist-upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661393/
[20:12] <MannyNz> neither of them work tho
[20:15] <asraniel> hi. my gf had a problem where during a update everything broke. i could fix that. but now the wireless is broken. i can't activate it
[20:18] <MannyNz> i think i have to do, what i tried to avoid and reinstall kubuntu again :(
[20:23] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, there is the new 280.13 in a ppa , sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[20:23] <systemclient> my kubuntu with proprietary nvidia just froze, music stopped playing also
[20:23] <systemclient> how can I recover (I have files open …)
[20:23] <MannyNz> okay ill try it
[20:24] <systemclient> is there some log file that might help debugging this?
[20:24] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, then update , and install nvidia-current , then reboot
[20:25] <systemclient> Xorg is running in a frenzy …
[20:25] <MannyNz> okay its downloading, taking a bit of time
[20:26] <BluesKaj> syt yes /var/log
[20:26] <BluesKaj> systemclient, ^
[20:27] <systemclient> which one of them?
[20:27] <systemclient> the xorg log?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> depends what froze your system look at the apps you have open on top , what were you working on when it froze?
[20:31] <MannyNz> reboot, and same thing, i login and then nothing more happens
[20:31] <MannyNz> should i do nvidia-xconfig again?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> yes MannyNz
[20:34] <MannyNz> now startx just gives me a black scree
[20:34] <MannyNz> screen*
[20:34] <MannyNz> having the cross-cursor and thats all
[20:35] <ryan__> MannyNz, is this after you log out?
[20:36] <MannyNz> after i log in
[20:36] <MannyNz> from tty1 i do "startx"
[20:36] <ryan__> hmm
[20:36] <MannyNz> then i have a black screen and the cursor and nothing elese
[20:36] <ryan__> idk then sorry
[20:37] <BluesKaj> ryan__, he just installed the 280.13 nvidia driver xorgedgers , cuz nothing else seems to be working for him
[20:37] <MannyNz> when i do "sudo start kdm" i get to the login screen, but also stay there after entering my password and hit enter
[20:39] <BluesKaj> MannyNz, look in the the menu at the login and see if you can't get on in "safemode' or whatever that is called
[20:39] <ryan__> so ur only booting promtp/dos right now?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> tty
[20:40] <ryan__> I was going to say...
[20:40] <ryan__> although extreme
[20:41] <ryan__> u can force quit ur computer half way through boot..
[20:41] <MannyNz> oki hold on
[20:41] <ryan__> then turn it on it will go directly to safe mode
[20:42] <ryan__> then boot in x
[20:45] <MannyNz> changed that timer in grub and enterd failsafe mode now
[20:45] <MannyNz> or what it is called :)
[20:45] <BluesKaj> failsafe sounds good to me :)
[20:46] <MannyNz> okay i can choose now betweed: resume, clean, dpkg, failsafeX, fsck and grub
[20:46] <MannyNz> failsaifeX ?
[20:46] <BluesKaj> try it , yeah
[20:47] <MannyNz> okay lets c what happens
[20:47] <MannyNz> well i get thrown back to the same menu
[20:52] <ryan__> u want to start in low resx mode
[20:52] <ryan__> can't remember the name
[20:53] <ryan__> probably failsafe
[20:53] <ryan__> x
[20:53] <MannyNz> yeah its called failsafeX
[20:53] <ryan__> it will run default xorg vid frive
[20:53] <MannyNz> when i hit that option it waits a bit and then i get thrown back to the menu with the option
[20:54] <ryan__> did u try the trouble shoot option?
[20:54] <MannyNz> dont know what u mean with that, but i entered the failsafe mode and then chose the option failsafeX
[20:55] <MannyNz> and as it seems that one doesnt work as well ... but as u said it should use the defauld vid drivers ... dont know why it doesnt work
[20:55] <ryan__> sorry it's been a while since i last did this
[20:55] <Linkmaster> I'm having difficulty connecting an external to my computer; I get an odd error message, and it won't mount
[20:55] <ryan__> there is an option that will run a few tests
[20:55] <MannyNz> æ ryan__: no prob ... thats the way it should be .. dont like that to happen on a regular base
[20:56] <ryan__> :)
[20:56] <Linkmaster> "An error occurred while accessing 'BACK-UP blue-light Simple Drive', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred.: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[20:56] <MannyNz> there is dpkg which tries to fix broken packages, clean that tries to free some memory... grup ...
[20:56] <ryan__> linkmaster, sounds like ur trying to mount a locked drive
[20:57] <Linkmaster> ryan__: thats similar to what I thought, but theres no ability to lock/unlock it
[20:58] <ryan__> I found a virus that locks hdd's
[20:58] <ryan__> I am working on one no
[20:58] <ryan__> w
[20:59] <ryan__> it is the old style hdd with pins
[20:59] <Linkmaster> a virus?? would it cause the drive to disconnect every 10 seconds or so? Because this was on my moms windows computer originally, and I'm attempting to fix it
[20:59] <ryan__> hmm
[20:59] <ryan__> can u access it at all in windows?
[21:00] <ryan__> like when u are running it?
[21:00] <Linkmaster> yes, but once you attempt a file transfer, it coughs and disconnects. I can see the drive in linux, but when I attempt to mount it via dolphin, it gives that error
[21:01] <ryan__> oh
[21:01] <ryan__> u have a bad head I think
[21:01] <Linkmaster> crapppp.....any way to fix it?
[21:01] <ryan__> sounds to me like ur drive is almost toast
[21:02] <ryan__> not really, unless u know how to find another dead drive with a good head and can dismantle it to replace it
[21:02] <ryan__> try one thing for me
[21:02] <Linkmaster> sure
[21:02] <ryan__> install gnome disk utility
[21:03] <ryan__> it works on kubuntu as well
[21:03] <MannyNz> changing a head on ones own ... doenst that screw up the drive normally ?
[21:03] <ryan__> I have done it b4
[21:03] <ryan__> it is hard
[21:03] <MannyNz> jesus ... id mess it up with bringing in dust XD
[21:04] <ryan__> lol
[21:04] <ryan__> how is ur fix coming?
[21:04] <MannyNz> hmm not really: im in the recovery mode and yeah cant run the failsafeX
[21:04] <ryan__> did u try rthe dpkg?
[21:05] <MannyNz> i can give that a shot hold on
[21:05] <ryan__> hmm... there was a way in fail safe to troubleshoot...
[21:05] <Linkmaster> ryan__: I installed and pulled up Disk Utility. I'm going to turn on my drive, and see what happens
[21:05] <ryan__> then it brought u to a different set of options
[21:05] <Linkmaster> Okay, the drive is showing up. What should I do next?
[21:06] <MannyNz> is it mounted
[21:06] <ryan__> linkmaster... yea plug in drive, turn on disk   utility, click the driver u are looking at
[21:06] <Linkmaster> okay
[21:07] <ryan__> click smart data
[21:07] <Linkmaster> I see a big red "Disk failure is imminent" right above smart data
[21:07] <ryan__> make sure ur on the right drive
[21:07] <ryan__> yup
[21:07] <ryan__> dead hdd
[21:07] <ryan__> its lost my friend
[21:07] <Linkmaster> all but two things are green though
[21:08] <ryan__> don't matter
[21:08] <ryan__> the head cant read the initial..
[21:08] <MannyNz> yeah have one of those too ... it alwas made funny noises and when i looked at the smart values more and more sectors got reallocated
[21:08] <ryan__> it won't boot under any cercomstance now
[21:08] <Linkmaster> 'reallocated sector count" and "current pending sector count" are red
[21:08] <seawing> does anyone know why the wireless tab in a new kubuntu 11.04 install is greyed out? (mobile broadband tab too)
[21:09] <MannyNz> linkmaster, is there some really important data on it
[21:09] <Linkmaster> My moms businees
[21:09] <ryan__> seawing
[21:09] <Linkmaster> *business
[21:09] <ryan__> it is grey'd out when u don't have a driver installed
[21:09] <ryan__> brb
[21:10] <MannyNz> @ link any backups
[21:11] <Linkmaster> I have a drive identical to it. Should I swap out the harddrives in them so I can recover the information in it?
[21:11] <Linkmaster> MannyNz: I think, but she needs the information off of this one...she's not the most organized person concerning computers
[21:11] <MannyNz> afaik is the information on the hd so swapping wouldnt do the job
[21:12] <MannyNz> the only way to get the data is to open up the HD, but dont do that on your own, unless ur an expert
[21:13]  * Linkmaster isn't an expert, but he's good at doing things
[21:13] <MannyNz> therefore consider what the data is worth and if it is there are companies/persons ... who save the data for you, but its real expensive
[21:13] <Linkmaster> Its a massive drive, and has screws holding the casing together. Let me pop it apart
[21:14] <MannyNz> like i said unless u know what ur doing dont open it up
[21:15] <Linkmaster> I've dismantled my netbook and conducted repairs on it :P
[21:15] <MannyNz> talk to your mom and ask her if its worth rescuing the data by a professional
[21:15] <MannyNz> taking a laptop apart isnt the same then taking a HD apart
[21:16] <seawing> yyep
[21:16] <Linkmaster> want me to get some pictures of it?
[21:16] <MannyNz> i took my laptop apart twice and it still worked afterwards, but personally i wouldn't open up a HD unless i dont want to use it anymore and want to play with the disk and scratch it
[21:16] <seawing> thanks ryan,  I will look for the driver
[21:17] <Linkmaster> I just took off the top. It has a lot of circuit boards on it, more than a regular HD...Hm. :l
[21:17]  * Linkmaster puts the casing back on
[21:17]  * gomiboy opened a HD once... to turn it into an ashtray :D
[21:18] <MannyNz> :)
[21:18] <MannyNz> so you watched the ash spin around then :)
[21:19] <ryan__> seawing, broadcom ?
[21:19] <ryan__> what type of computer?
[21:20] <MannyNz> wb ryan__
[21:20] <seawing> lenovo c200
[21:21] <ryan__> hmm..  have u tries "search for missing drivers" option yet?
[21:22] <ryan__> if u know its a broad com... go to the kpackage and install "b43"  and if that don't work typ in broad and install those...  b43 first though
[21:22] <seawing> sorry, duh, I will do that right now.
[21:22] <MannyNz> @ ryan__: ah now the failsafeX says: error: screens found, but none have usable configuration
[21:23] <MannyNz> when i run "sudo X -configure" it says Failed to load modle "vmware" and later: Number of created screens does nto match number of detected devices. Configuration failed.
[21:24] <seawing> it says the broadcom STA is already installed and active
[21:25] <seawing> b43-fwcutter?
[21:26] <sstoveld> hey guys, i'm having an issue with my scroll button on my laptop, anyone able to help?
[21:26] <seawing> or firmware-b43-installer
[21:26]  * MannyNz burns a 11.04 live cd now :/
[21:26] <ryan__> yea
[21:26] <ryan__> the b43
[21:26] <ryan__> let me look
[21:27] <ryan__> yes fcutter
[21:28] <MannyNz> @ ryan__: i do a clean install now of 11.04, since i dont want to waste anymore of your time, but thanks alot for sticking with me and trying to help
[21:28] <ryan__> ur welcome
[21:28] <ryan__> :)
[21:29] <ryan__> any time
[21:29] <ryan__> no more installing vid drivers
[21:29] <ryan__> haha
[21:29] <MannyNz> fortunately in linux one can separate os and the home data :)
[21:30] <ryan__> if it don't show up on ur "Missing software search"  it probably isn't good for ur computer
[21:30] <MannyNz> but i stil wonder why the distri upgrad mad so much trouble this time ay
[21:30] <ryan__> of
[21:30] <seawing> ryan, do I need to reboot ?
[21:30] <ryan__> u upgraded from 10 10?
[21:30] <MannyNz> yep
[21:30] <ryan__> u may need a reboot
[21:30] <ryan__> ok manny
[21:31] <seawing> thanks, cya.
[21:31] <ryan__>  the transision between unity in ubuntu also affected kubuntu
[21:31] <ryan__> so this upgrade even for ubuntu sucked very badly
[21:31] <MannyNz> yeah tho the upgrade on my dads laptop (32 bit ) worked fluently
[21:31] <ryan__> fresh install is the only way
[21:31] <ryan__> but
[21:31] <MannyNz> but yeah ... clean install, linking home and hope to be happy then
[21:32] <ryan__> some computers aren't compatable
[21:32] <ryan__> so it it don't work on the install
[21:32] <ryan__> u wil need to stay with 10 10 till the next major release then try again
[21:32] <MannyNz> ill give it a try with the clean install
[21:33] <ryan__> sounds good
[21:33] <ryan__> see u later
[21:33] <ryan__> :)
[21:33] <MannyNz> otherwise back to 10.10 :)
[21:33] <ryan__>  yea
[21:33] <MannyNz> at least i tried that during term break
[21:33] <MannyNz> kk cu
[21:33] <sstoveld> having an issue with my scroll button on my laptop, anyone got some time to help?
[21:33] <Daskreech> ryan__: can You get back here if the GUI fails?
[21:34] <MannyNz> @ sstoveld: time yes, knowledge no. since its probably some driver issue (my opinion)
[21:34] <ryan__> not really... unless u have a back up and the knowlege to revert
[21:35] <sstoveld> @MannyNz ah, yeah it's strange, it was working perfectly on ubuntu before the 11.04 upgrade, worked fine 10.10, now 11.04 it only scrolls once when i hold down the button, instead of keep on scrolling
[21:36] <ryan__> daskreech, u can try it live though.. f ur vid driver isn't compatible it just won't completely boot
[21:36] <Daskreech> ryan__: I guess that's a solution
[21:36] <Daskreech> ok
[21:38] <MannyNz> @ sstoveld: like i said i lack the knowledge to go deep in on driver issues with linux, im still new to it myself and spent way to less time in getting known to it better
[21:39] <sstoveld> @MannyNz yeah i understand, thanks
[21:39] <MannyNz> you could try a 10.10 live cd and see if it works to exclude hardware failure
[21:40] <sstoveld> well it still works on my xp partition, and it does scroll, just doesn't continuously scroll when i hold it down
[21:41] <MannyNz> okay that should exclude a HD failure then :)
[21:41] <sstoveld> so i don't think it's hardware failure, but it probably does sound like a driver issue
[21:41] <MannyNz> so the movement isnt fluently?
[21:41] <sstoveld> correct, when hold it to scroll down, it will scroll down once, instead of a fluent scroll
[21:42] <MannyNz> hmm it also might be some settings
[21:42] <MannyNz> have u tried to play around with scrolling settings (system->something ... cant remember)
[21:44] <sstoveld> yeah, i didn't see any options in the touchpad settings for my issue, only for edge scrolling among other things
[21:45] <MannyNz> hmm then im really out of ideas :|
[21:45] <sstoveld> yeah im at a loss as well lol, wonder why it stopped working with 11.04
[21:46] <MannyNz> yeap
[21:47] <seawing> ryan, I installed b43 and rebooted and no change so I installed broadcom-sta-common and no joy yet.  any other ideas?
[21:48] <MannyNz> seawing: what laptop is it? acer ?
[21:49] <seawing> lenovo c200
[21:49] <seawing> this all worked in 10.10
[21:49] <MannyNz> hmm kay, my dads laptop isn acer and uses the b34 as well afaik
[21:49] <MannyNz> *smile* all things worked in 10.10 XD
[21:49] <MannyNz> b43*
[21:50] <seawing> actually, new development. I plugged in an old netgeat pci card and now the wireless tab in active
[21:53] <MannyNz> \me is afk now
[21:53] <seawing> and the netgear card seems to work.  funny thing is that when I upgraded to 10.10 I didn't have to use the pci card anymore.
[22:05] <seawing> arrrg.  it can see the network with the netgear card but it is not accepting the WPA password or something.  I am going to try shutting off security I guess and see if that works.
[22:49] <ItBlends> how do I make krunner not transparent?
[22:58] <tonymc> go to system settings
[22:58] <tonymc> then to workspace appearance
[22:58] <tonymc> then desktop theme
[22:58] <tonymc> and then go to the advanced tab
[22:58] <tonymc> and change krunner theme to something not transparent
[22:59] <tonymc> ItBlends
[22:59] <tonymc> i really like the caledonia style
[23:00] <tonymc> on all my plasma
[23:00] <tonymc> clean and simple
[23:00] <ItBlends> tonymc, thank you
[23:00] <tonymc> and not transparent :-)
[23:08] <beto> sdsdsdsd
[23:27] <Roey> hey tonymc,
[23:27] <tonymc> yep?
[23:27] <Roey> there were new packages (ppa5, previous I had was ppa3)... what's new with them?
[23:27] <Roey> KDE workspace packages
[23:27] <Roey> and others
[23:27] <tonymc> well
[23:27] <Roey> it's not from upstream, right?
[23:27] <tonymc> network manager breaks
[23:27] <tonymc> it sorta is
[23:27] <Roey> ok
[23:28] <tonymc> if you're talking Kubuntu backports PPA
[23:28] <tonymc> well, network manager itself is fine
[23:28] <Roey> well yes since I'm on kde 4.7 in Natty
[23:28] <Roey> so I am using them backports yes
[23:28] <tonymc> but the wifi integration... well, it broke for me
[23:28] <Roey> yae
[23:28] <Roey> aye
[23:28] <tonymc> wifi works fine but i can't do anything
[23:28] <tonymc> like select a new connection etc.
[23:28] <Roey> does it finally let you save it as a system setting so that it starts up independently of you logging in now?
[23:28] <tonymc> dunno
[23:28] <Roey> ah
[23:29] <Roey> the [x] System  checkbox has been grayed out as far as I can remember.
[23:29] <tonymc> on a brighter side, they fixed GridDesktop
[23:29] <tonymc> text-to-speech also seems to be fixed now
[23:29] <Roey> oh what was wrong with it?
[23:29] <tonymc> it crashed plasma
[23:29] <Roey> (with Grid)
[23:29] <Roey> grid did? uh-oh... ok
[23:29] <tonymc> yep, what a pleasant surprise on a brand new 4.7.0 release
[23:30] <tonymc> and yes, it was KDE problem, not packaging
[23:30] <Roey> crap I need to restart KDE then .
[23:30] <tonymc> what you mean?
[23:30] <Roey> I hope this stupid bug I showed you yesterday got fixed
[23:30] <Roey> will  be fixed before the next relesae.
[23:30] <Roey> *release
[23:30] <Roey> tonymc:  oh, I installed it today from work remotely
[23:30] <Roey> but I need to refresh KDE to get the changes to take.
[23:30] <tonymc> well if you don't have grid desktop
[23:31] <tonymc> you have nothing to worry about
[23:31] <tonymc> it's a shame network manager plasmoid broke
[23:31] <tonymc> otherwise KDE is almost perfect for me now
[23:43] <Roey> oh, tile desktop?
[23:43] <Roey> ok.
[23:44] <Roey> for me there is this persistent error since kde 4.whenever.  I have two rows of virtual desktops, and sliding goes in the wrong direction.  There's a bug for this but I have no idea if it's being addressed.
[23:44] <Roey> as of kde 4.7 it's still present
[23:44] <Roey> bummer.


[01:24] <cmaloney> evening and all that. :)
[01:26] <rick_h_> party
[12:50] <wolfger> Today is such a Monday, even though it's not.
[12:51] <wolfger> I think I would rather be digging ditches than working with ActiveX apps in IE8.... Anybody need a high-priced ditch digger?
[12:54] <rick_h_> ouch
[12:54] <rick_h_> morning and all that
[13:00] <brousch> wolfger: Yikes. You win the crappy old tech prize today
[13:00] <brousch> I'm working with C# 2008
[13:01] <wolfger> ...
[13:01] <wolfger> Yeah, that's rough too, but I'd switch in a heartbeat.
[13:02] <brousch> I've actually never dealt with activex
[13:03] <wolfger> The worst part was having to re-downgrade IE because MS patches today brought me back up to 10 against my will.
[13:03] <wolfger> er... against my requirements, I should say
[13:04] <brousch> heh
[13:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:18] <jrwren> brousch: C# 2008 was the last one that I used I think, or maybe 2010. Its nice :)
[13:19] <brousch> jrwren: Visual Studio is very nice. I just get frustrated every time I have to declare what type I want a variable to be. Too much Python.
[13:20] <brousch> I assigned a class to it! Use that type!
[13:20] <jrwren> brousch: var is your friend :p
[13:21] <jrwren> var x = new YesYouAssignedIt()


[12:06] <mhz> heheh
[12:07] <Nytryx> heres something funny
[12:08] <Nytryx> you peaked my intrest with the ssh thing when i try to ssh into my suse box it does'nt seem to respond why might that be?
[12:12] <Nytryx> or even still it times out
[12:12] <mhz> maybe you have no ssh running there?
[12:13] <Nytryx> mabey
[12:13] <Nytryx> oh well ill fix that later on tonight
[12:13] <Nytryx> im on the couch hehe relaxing and dont feel like moving hehe
[12:14] <mhz> no prob.
[12:15] <Nytryx> but now i wonder what else i can do with ssh
[12:16] <mhz> well, you can forward X (edubuntu LTSP does it)
[12:16] <mhz> you can turn off the box
[12:16] <Nytryx> foward x?
[12:16] <mhz> you can actuall take control of the whole box
[12:17] <mhz> yup
[12:17] <mhz> run a GUI application on the remote machine
[12:17] <Nytryx> ok so if i sshed in and ran startx would it run on my screen or his?
[12:19] <mhz> something like that
[12:19] <mhz> you have to use a different command line only
[12:20] <mhz> I guess it's like ssh -X user@ip something
[12:50] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:51] <Nytryx> hey athur
[12:51] <Lord_Athur> :D hi Nytryx
[01:25] <HuskerAce> Anyone in channel?
[01:27] <HuskerAce> Hello??????
[05:20] <bit16> hi everyone
[05:21] <irvin> hello bit16
[05:21] <bit16> wht's new
[05:23] <bit16> I'VE a question, I could do a google search to get the answer but, what's the main difference between ubuntu and edubuntu?
[10:38] <skywater> Hello. How is edubuntu is different from the original Ubuntu?
[03:49] <francoisb> Hello,
[03:49] <Pygi> hello
[04:02] <spacey> hi there
[04:03] <Pygi> hi
[05:56] <francoisb> I'm still trying to use an ubuntu as ltsp server
[05:57] <francoisb> I've installed edubuntu-server
[05:57] <francoisb> but my TX don't find tftp
[05:58] <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[05:58] <francoisb> It seem that tftpd is not running
[05:58] <francoisb> I try
[05:59] <francoisb> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[05:59] <francoisb> Is this Ok?
[05:59] <ogra> yup
[05:59] <ogra> looks fine
[06:00] <francoisb> is the ltspcfg up to date?
[06:00] <ogra> does  /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ exost and contain the kernels ?
[06:00] <ogra> ARGH
[06:00] <ogra> dont toucht the ltsp-utils package at all
[06:01] <ogra> ltspadmin and ltspconfig are incompatible with our ltsp implementation
[06:01] <francoisb> I don't install it?
[06:01] <ogra> they break everything
[06:01] <Yagisan> ogra: we need a conflicts on that package
[06:02] <ogra> Yagisan, the breezy ltsp package had a dependency bug... they get installed by default ...
[06:02] <ogra> matt missed that
[06:02] <francoisb> So I must unsinstall it and run ltspconfig
[06:02] <ogra> francoisb, no
[06:02] <Yagisan> ogra: thats why we have breezy-updates :)
[06:02] <ogra> if you touched any of ltspconfig or ltspadmin its broken ...
[06:02] <ogra> nobody found a way to fix it yet
[06:03] <ogra> Yagisan, wont help if you already broke it
[06:03] <francoisb> Could I run a config script from edubuntu to get it ok?
[06:03] <ogra> francoisb, the only thing you have to run after installing edubuntu-server is sudo ltsp-build-lient
[06:03] <ogra> nope
[06:04] <ogra> you cant fix it
[06:04] <ogra> sorry, sudo ltsp-build-client
[06:04] <francoisb> I've made it, but I can make it again
[06:04] <ogra> nope
[06:05] <ogra> your complete setup (even of the server ) was modified by the ltspadmin/config tools ...
[06:05] <ogra> Yagisan, and a conflicts is the wrong attempt
[06:06] <ogra> Yagisan, Conflicts/Replaces etc dont apply to packages, only to contents of packages ...
[06:06] <francoisb> I can't unistall ltsp-utils, it'll get edubuntu-server away...
[06:06] <ogra> as i said, there is a bug in the package, leave them where they are, just dont touch them,
[06:06] <ogra> if you already used one of the tools i know of no way to fix your server
[06:07] <francoisb> And doing again ltsp-build-client ?
[06:08] <ogra> if you already used one of the tools it will break even more
[06:08] <ogra> what did you do exactly ?
[06:08] <ogra> step by step ?
[06:08] <francoisb> I used ltspadmin
[06:09] <francoisb> ltsp-buid-client
[06:09] <ogra> ugh
[06:09] <francoisb> ltspcfg
[06:09] <francoisb> I saw tftp not running
[06:09] <francoisb> And wdmcp none
[06:10] <ogra> we dont use X transport (no xdmcp in ubuntu)
[06:10] <Yagisan> ogra: just an idea to prevent future victims. I thought Conflicts would be appropriate here, as that package breaks another.
[06:10] <Yagisan> anyway I should be in bed
[06:10] <francoisb> I undersatand but ltspcfg look at that
[06:10] <ogra> yes, but it doesnt work
[06:11] <ogra> these tools should get removed completely, they will even be dropped by ltsp.org in the near future, they switch to our implementation
[06:12] <ogra> at least hey should be demoted to universe if someone wants to use the insecure variant out of historical reasons or something ...
[06:13] <ogra> francoisb, you could try to wipe the contents of /opt/ltsp/
[06:13] <francoisb> And then?
[06:13] <ogra> as well as the contents of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/
[06:14] <ogra> then try to rerun ltsp-build-client ... make sure tftpd-hpa is installed and edit the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to your needs...
[06:14] <francoisb> and again ltsp-build client?
[06:14] <ogra> no idea if that works, my normal answer for such broken systems is a complete reinstall ...
[06:15] <francoisb> I would preserve my /home...
[06:15] <ogra> you only build the client once ...
[06:16] <ogra> make sure the following packages are installed: tftpd-hpa, openssh-server and dhcp3-server
[06:16] <ogra> (they should be dependencys of ltsp-server-stadalone anyway)
[06:17] <francoisb> I try the cleaning and tell you.
[06:17] <ogra> ok
[06:17] <francoisb> bye
[06:18] <ogra> ciao
[06:25] <ogra> Yagisan, btw, i just see ltsp-client has a Replaces and a Conflicts on ltsp-utils in dapper
[06:32] <Yagisan> ogra: really ?
[06:32] <ogra> yup
[06:32] <Yagisan> I never checked
[06:32] <ogra> but its still in main :/
[06:33] <Yagisan> IMHO it should be queued for removal anyway
[06:33] <Yagisan> even I have had issues with the old utils
[06:34] <ogra> yes, but if people want ltsp 4.1 they should be able to use it ...
[06:34] <ogra> do universe is the right place ...
[06:34] <ogra> s/do/so
[06:34] <ogra> our ltsp id on the CD anyway
[06:34] <ogra> even in ubuntu
[06:35] <Yagisan> isn't 4.1 obsolete now with the new method ?
[06:36] <ogra> if you urgently want to use 4.1 you should be able to without having to use the tarball method
[11:39] <Navire> Someone use LTSP client boot floppy? No PXE.
[11:41] <Navire> I will using Ubuntu + LTSP (package  Official Web site LSTP, no package Ubuntu)  on Client Pentium 100 32MB, booting on floppy...
[11:41] <Navire> I think is slow.


[08:04] <wgrant> Oops.
[09:40] <intellectronica> NCommander: is your change really that big, or is the diff in the MP wrong?
[09:40] <intellectronica> i see most of it is sample data changes
[10:14] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks. Can you land it?
[10:16] <intellectronica> wgrant: yup, submitting it for tests now.
[10:17] <StevenK> intellectronica: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/fixes-bug-503258/+merge/21710 is the MP
[10:20] <intellectronica> StevenK: on it
[10:24] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks.
[10:28] <intellectronica> wgrant: why is your merge target db-devel? do you depend on anything not in devel?
[10:29] <wgrant> intellectronica: All the previous work is still only in db-devel.
[10:29] <wgrant> (there was a new table required)
[10:29] <intellectronica> ok
[10:31] <intellectronica> StevenK: why the call to debug in lib/lp/soyuz/model/queue.py? is that a leftover, or something you really want merged?
[10:32] <StevenK> intellectronica: It matches the previous call -- the bit I added is just for custom files associated with the upload
[10:33] <intellectronica> StevenK: also, the import in packagecopier.py is not alphabetically sorted. if you're using emacs or vi, b.t.w, there are helpers on the wiki to make sorting easy
[10:33] <intellectronica> ok
[10:34] <StevenK> intellectronica: Right, I can re-order them
[10:35] <intellectronica> cool
[10:36] <intellectronica> StevenK: you can use assertFalse instead of assertEquals(False, ... no?
[10:37] <StevenK> intellectronica: My unit testing memory is a little rusty, I'll do that too
[10:38] <intellectronica> StevenK: great. other than these two comments the branch is all goodness. make the changes and ping me and i'll land it.
[10:39] <StevenK> intellectronica: Changes pushed.
[10:39] <intellectronica> StevenK: lovely, thanks
[10:39] <StevenK> intellectronica: Thank you :-)
[10:39] <intellectronica> StevenK: oh, can you also please set the commit message?
[10:41] <StevenK> intellectronica: Done
[10:41] <intellectronica> cheers
[10:42] <StevenK> intellectronica: I'll land it after bigjools sorts out access
[10:42] <intellectronica> StevenK: oh, even better :)
[10:42]  * StevenK coughs in bigjools's general direction ;-)
[10:43]  * bigjools nods
[10:43] <wgrant> StevenK: I wonder if you should XXX the security change? Details on hacks are handy years later.
[10:45] <intellectronica> bigjools: r=me
[10:45] <bigjools> intellectronica: easy one huh? :)
[10:45] <bigjools> thanks
[10:45] <intellectronica> nothing's easy on a monday morning
[11:33] <noodles775> intellectronica: another one for you when you've time: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/fix-buildd-slave-test/+merge/21847
[11:35] <intellectronica> noodles775: sure. also, can i bother you now for that ui review? should be pretty straightforward.
[11:36] <noodles775> intellectronica: yeah, that'd be great... I'll get mine ready for you too (a UI review).
[11:36] <intellectronica> cool
[11:47] <intellectronica> noodles775: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/bug-531963/+merge/21628 for my ui review
[11:48] <intellectronica> noodles775: and r=me on your branch
[11:49] <noodles775> Thanks intellectronica.
[12:01] <noodles775> intellectronica: why is it that if I'm logged in as cprov (celso.providelo@canonical.com:cprov) I'm unable to modify the bug status (the mouse-over tells me "Changeable only by a project maintainer or a bug supervisor"), yet I can as no-privs? Is no-privs a bug supervisor without privs in the project?
[12:02] <intellectronica> noodles775: are you sure that's status and not importance?
[12:02]  * noodles775 checks
[12:02] <intellectronica> let me see if i can get that effect locally
[12:03] <noodles775> intellectronica: right, the mouseover is from the importance icon, but I still can't change the status as Celso, but can as no-privs?
[12:04] <intellectronica> noodles775: cprov and no-priv behave the same for me. you can't change the importance, you can change the status, but asked to confirm.
[12:05] <noodles775> intellectronica: wierd... this is the bug I'm looking at: https://bugs.launchpad.dev/thunderbird/+bug/15
[12:05] <mup> Bug #15: PO file import errors should be more verbose <feature> <Launchpad Translations:Fix Released by carlos> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/15>
[12:06] <noodles775> intellectronica: on that page, clicking on the status for Mozilla Thunderbird always redirects to the +editstatus page, whereas Redfish works as expected.
[12:07] <intellectronica> noodles775: that's because that bug is assigned to a bugwatch
[12:07] <noodles775> Ah ok. Thanks. Two more things:
[12:07] <intellectronica> bugs that are tracked by a bugwatch can't have their metadata set by users
[12:08] <noodles775> First, I think the wording might be missing "whether"? eg. "If you're not certain whether changing the status of this bug is correct,..." What you you think?
[12:09] <noodles775> And second, how difficult would it be to first close the overlay before popping up the confirmation?
[12:09] <intellectronica> noodles775: as a non-native speaker i'll have to trust you on that. both some equally good to me
[12:09] <noodles775> I think that's quite important (a popup within a popup is really bad).
[12:09] <intellectronica> noodles775: very difficult
[12:09] <noodles775> :(
[12:09] <noodles775> intellectronica: couldn't in just be hidden with CSS when you bring up the confirmation?
[12:10] <noodles775> (ie. you shouldn't need to change the behaviour of the widget?)
[12:10] <intellectronica> that would be a great solution, and even better one would be to handle it within the widget itself. unfortunately both require a complete restructuring of that widget which we can't afford right now
[12:11] <intellectronica> noodles775: the problem is the way the widget interacts with the web service. it saves before closing, and changing that would require changing the widget, and quite possibly changing other widgets that use the api patch plugin
[12:40]  * intellectronica --> lunch
[15:12] <adiroiban> EdwinGrubbs: hi. I have updated my branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/launchpad/bug-540105/+merge/21552
[15:13] <adiroiban> it looks like the try/catch can still act as sandboxes
[15:13] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: I'll check it after I get off of a call.
[15:30] <jml> does someone want to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/visible-dependencies/+merge/21807 ?
[15:31] <intellectronica> jml: sure, i'll review it
[15:31] <jml> intellectronica, thanks.
[16:38] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: I'm wondering how you were able to cause some of the domready handlers to fail to run. This test page worked fine in chrome and firefox. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/399378
[16:40] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: I started looking at pofile.js to see if there was anything in there that would cause one error to affect another function. I didn't find anything conclusive, but I did find some global variables that should be made local, and that could have unexpected results.
[16:40] <adiroiban> http://paste.ubuntu.com/399381/
[16:41] <adiroiban> without try/catch, the Y.lp.pofile.initializeKeyBindings(); is not  called
[17:24] <adiroiban> EdwinGrubbs: if you think the try/catch are not needed, I can remove them :)
[17:26] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: I am able to confirm the problem you were getting, but I'm still trying to understand why this is not happening in my simple example. I'll let you know in a few minutes.
[17:27] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: while you are waiting, here are some problems in pofile.js that could lead to very hard to diagnose errors. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/399412
[17:31] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: ok, I think I've figured out why my example yielded different results. Since the html was so simple, the dom was immediately ready. Therefore, Y.on(domready) would immediately run the handler and the exception would cancel anything that was already registered, but there wasn't anything.
[17:32] <EdwinGrubbs> then, the next Y.on(domready) would get called from the html file and run the handler immediately.
[17:33] <EdwinGrubbs> adiroiban: therefore, your try/catch blocks are perfectly fine. However, there is no reason to have them in separate Y.on('domready') blocks, so you can combine them into a single Y.on(domready)
[17:36] <adiroiban> EdwinGrubbs: right. I will put them in a singly 'domready' block and will fix the errors from your previous pastebin. I'm just running the tests and then I will push the changes. Thanks!


[14:16] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, for some reason it's not letting me edit the UbuntuHashes page anymore, have the permissions changed?


[00:00] <duanedesign> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2693/4438850289_7aae964880_b.jpg
[00:00] <duanedesign> it is Firefox
[00:00] <duanedesign> beuno: yes sir i will
[00:00] <beuno> duanedesign, thanks
[00:01] <beuno> duanedesign, and if you can hint in the bug as to what is suppose to be there, it would be great
[00:01] <duanedesign> ok
[00:03] <rye> beuno,
z
 - and I definitely have the names with Z as the last name (my wife)
[00:04] <rye> beuno, I seem to have got a blank couchdb database on the server
[00:07] <duanedesign> hmm. Well it seems my Contacts are gone. Opened evoloution to document what was supposed to be there and they are not there.
[00:07] <duanedesign> can tell when that happened. Its been a couple weeks since i accessed the Contacts
[00:08] <rye> beuno, well, in my case it is all simpler - I have wrong account opened. Now I have my contacts, well, most of them
[00:08] <rye> duanedesign, check the CPU usage for e-d-s
[00:09] <duanedesign> huh, dessktopcouch isnt running
[00:10] <rye> wow
[00:11] <duanedesign> rye: how else can i start desktopcouch. org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort isnt working
[00:12] <rye> duanedesign, hm, getport trigger worked for me
[00:12] <rye> syncdaemon keeps reconnecting
[00:14] <duanedesign> rye: yep EDS is at 95+
[00:16] <rye> duanedesign, hm... something has changed but I don't know what. evolution --force-shutdown then killing beams and python service worked for me
[00:17] <rye> well, actually no
[00:17] <duanedesign> strange. Ok i quit then started evoloution again and my contacts arre there this time
[00:17] <rye> duanedesign, yes, but e-d-s might start to consume the CPU again
[00:19] <rye> beuno, what does the number in parentheses mean? In my case i have (3) for Z and only one record displayed
[00:24] <rye> duanedesign, jfyi - https://code.launchpad.net/~rye/+junk/ubuntuone-scripts
[00:24] <rye> will post nice scripts there, in one place, not @ pastebin
[00:38] <duanedesign> need to reboot to try and get desktopcouch working. Need to get a few lines of code done first. Will file any bug reports from what i find at  https://one.ubuntu.com/contacts/
[00:45] <rye> ok, can't continue, going offline, debugging the issues tomorrow (for me)
[00:46] <rye> duanedesign, good night!
[00:46] <rye> good night all!
[01:21] <waltercool> hi there, how can i remove my ubuntuone profile from my user?
[01:21] <waltercool> on ubuntu, not web
[02:11] <waltercool> noone?
[02:12] <duanedesign> hello waltercool
[02:14] <waltercool> duanedesign, hi there =P
[02:14] <waltercool> duanedesign, how can i remove my linked ubuntu-one?
[02:15] <waltercool> duanedesign, im bugged and i just can see <LOCALHOST> as user
[02:15] <waltercool> sorry... is <LOCAL MACHINE>
[02:15] <waltercool> and quota 0.0 KB
[02:17] <duanedesign> ok
[02:18] <duanedesign> so you are unable to connect to your account?
[02:18] <duanedesign> what version are you using?
[02:18] <duanedesign> dpkg -l ubuntuone-client
[02:19] <waltercool> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:19] <duanedesign> waltercool: ok. this is lucid?
[02:19] <waltercool> yup
[02:21] <duanedesign> ok so when you open System > Preferences > Ubuntu One you are not seeing your machine?
[02:21] <waltercool> ubuntu one was working fine... but i just removed my account from ubuntuone-preference and now is working with LOCAL MACHINE
[02:21] <duanedesign> ok
[02:21] <duanedesign> lets try...
[02:21] <waltercool> duanedesign, I just can see something undeleteable called LOCAL MACHINE
[02:22] <duanedesign> open a Terminal and run:    u1sync --authorize
[02:22] <duanedesign> The webpage will come up asking you to login then it
[02:22] <waltercool> i havent u1sync... i must install something?
[02:23] <duanedesign> yeah, sorry
[02:23] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client-tools
[02:23] <waltercool> my bug is reported anyways
[02:23] <duanedesign> waltercool: do oyou know the bug number?
[02:24] <waltercool> duanedesign, let me find it
[02:25] <waltercool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/539993
[02:27] <duanedesign> waltercool: its set to private. I cant see it.
[02:27] <duanedesign> waltercool: are you wanting to add yourself back to the computer?
[02:27] <waltercool> yes
[02:27] <duanedesign> ok
[02:28] <waltercool> thats weird... link is not working with epiphany
[02:29] <duanedesign> https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/
[02:30] <waltercool> duanedesign, just 1
[02:30] <duanedesign> that link will take you to the page where you can edit the machines sonnected to your account
[02:30] <waltercool> duanedesign, i just added with FF
[02:31] <duanedesign> waltercool: ok. System > Preferences > Ubuntu One > Devices. You should be able to restart it therre to see if the change shows up
[02:32] <waltercool> duanedesign, but, why when i remove a computer, i just can see Localhost?
[02:32] <waltercool> now is working fine as i can see
[02:33] <duanedesign> waltercool: i am not sure what the purpose of the <localhost> account is
[02:33] <duanedesign> waltercool: did it go away when you added your computer?
[02:34] <waltercool> yes
[02:34] <waltercool> is just a "Empty" string of computers
[02:37] <duanedesign> waltercool: interesting. All the U1 develpoers are here from roughly 12:00-20:00GMT I am sure you can get an answer for sure when the whole team is here.
[02:38] <waltercool> duanedesign, i will try tomorow, maybe i can help like an alpha testing =P
[02:39] <duanedesign> waltercool: for sure
[02:39] <duanedesign> I am curious myself
[02:39] <waltercool> uhmm... seems not syncing
[02:40] <waltercool> can i know where is syncing?
[02:41] <duanedesign> there is the u1sdtool.
[02:41] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --current-transfers
[02:42] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --waiting-content
[02:43] <duanedesign> also a good one is:  u1sdtool --status
[02:43] <duanedesign> man u1sdtool      to see them all
[02:46] <waltercool> status... idle =/
[02:47] <duanedesign> System > Preferences > Ubuntu One > Devices does the button say connect or disconnect
[02:47] <waltercool> is connected
[02:48] <waltercool> i just created a file and was created
[02:48] <waltercool> but i dont get my stored data
[02:49] <duanedesign> waltercool: ok
[02:51] <duanedesign> waltercool: is there anything in the syncdaemon-exception.log in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[02:51] <duanedesign> you might have to hit Ctrl-H to see the .cache folder in your home directory
[02:54] <waltercool> wow
[02:54] <waltercool> a lot
[02:54] <waltercool> just shell ;)
[02:54] <waltercool> thats bad... really? | Calling delete_on_server
[04:58] <sinistrad> UbuntuOne icon on my task tray doesn't seem to talk with the servers. It tries to connect, but then after several minutes, it fails. I'll have the message in a few when it fails again.
[05:01] <sinistrad> Authorization Error -> [Errno socket error] [Errno 1] _ssl.c:48...GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol
[05:07] <sinistrad> Also, I don't get the icon under System -> Preferences
[05:23] <sinistrad> Well guys, I suppose you aren't awake. Maybe dropbox will work for me.  Thanks for all your efforts.
[05:51] <defli> hi
[06:04] <duanedesign> ugh. Keep missing people
[09:13]  * rye 's main system is in completely unbootable state for some reason
[09:22] <rye> my /home is refused to be mounted by mountall and now that happens on every boot. well... #ubuntu+1
[09:41] <aquarius> rye, is "is_online" in u1sdtool -s supposed to be reliable?
[09:45] <rye> aquarius, actually I haven't seen that being false at my system
[09:45] <duanedesign> rye: i found i had to add...
[09:46] <rye> but I am now trying to recover the one atm so I can't test that right now
[09:46] <aquarius> rye, k. I shall ping lucio when he wakes up :)
[09:46]  * rye has problems with mountall & plymouth. Even w/o plymouth
[09:46] <duanedesign> the policy of mountall was changed recently to wait for all local filesystems present in /etc/fstab on boot
[09:47] <duanedesign> causes entries like the one in my /etc/fstab to leave the system boot hanging forever.
[09:47] <rye> duanedesign, well, it could at least try to mount my /home :)
[09:47] <rye> and /var
[09:47] <rye> thanks for mounting /usr though :)
[09:47] <aquarius> rye, #ubuntu+1 has "Warning: read bug 538292 for plymouth 0.8.0~-13" in the topic
[09:47] <duanedesign> i had to add a 'nobootwait' EX. /dev/sdc1 /media/usb vfat defaults,nobootwait 0 0
[09:49] <rye> aquarius, me has -14
[09:51] <rye> and in my case mountall simply hangs, w/ possibility of maintenance shell
[09:51] <duanedesign> anytime i run gwibber, evoloution, or Ubuntu One i get
[09:51] <duanedesign> desktopcouch-service crashed with RuntimeError in run_couchdb()
[09:51] <rye> i have even got strace of mountall... it looks like it select()s on some fd forever
[09:52]  * rye has no idea why my /home is suffering most
[09:52] <duanedesign> hmm
[09:52] <rye> duanedesign, can you try starting dc service from the terminal?
[09:53] <duanedesign> with the dBus getPort
[09:53] <rye> duanedesign, no, directly
[09:53] <duanedesign> kkl
[09:53] <duanedesign> ok
[09:53] <rye> with dbus getport the stacktrace will be hidden
[09:56] <duanedesign> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396618/
[09:57] <rye> wow
[09:57] <rye> could you please check the pid file of couchdb process?
[09:57] <rye> it is somewhere in ~/.cache/desktop-couch
[09:57] <rye> duanedesign, ^
[09:57] <duanedesign> yep
[09:59] <duanedesign> ~/.cache/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.pid   is empty
[09:59] <duanedesign> actually
[09:59] <rye> duanedesign, hm... could you please try stopping dc service, killing beams and trying to start it again
[10:00] <rye> if that does not work, and the pid contains only line breaks then something became really broken
[10:00] <rye> duanedesign, lucid, right?
[10:00] <duanedesign> rye: its full of end of lines
[10:00] <duanedesign> yes sir
[10:01] <rye> i wonder whether couchdb or dc is writing the pid file... should be couchdb
[10:02] <rye> ok, do I need a cdrom entry in fstab?
[10:03] <duanedesign> rye: i have one
[10:04] <duanedesign> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[10:07] <duanedesign> rye:  same result
[10:08] <rye> duanedesign, ok, give me 10 minutes, the system is now in good mood and hangs only on 1/2 of attemps
[10:08] <rye> but this is scary
[10:11] <duanedesign> rye: yes absoloutely. I am gonna run and grab a coffee :)
[10:39] <rye> buzz
[10:50] <rye> duanedesign, ok, couchdb writes the pid
[10:53] <rye> aquarius, is it ok to put ubuntuone-related scripts in ubuntuone-client project branches. Having it in +junk does not look quite well :)
[10:54] <aquarius> rye, it's OK if you plan to do the work to actually get those scripts into ubuntuone-client as proper, supported scripts.
[10:55] <aquarius> (and they won't land until after lucid)
[10:55] <rye> erm, no, those are more like fix-ups for various bits... ok. leaving in +junk :)
[11:07] <duanedesign> rye: well i renamed it and  let desktopcouch write a new one. Same error, just without the /n's
[11:08] <rye> duanedesign, so the file does not actually have PID in it, right?
[11:08] <rye> could you do ps auxww | grep couch to pastebin?
[11:11] <duanedesign> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396638/
[11:38] <rye> ok, utf-8 script is ready to provide candidate for renaming, woo-hoo. Now I need to find out how to actually do the renaming bit w/o sacrificing user data
[11:43] <rye> well, it is better not to have UbuntuOne controlling your bzr folder
[11:44] <rye> 010-03-17 13:44:09,199 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.VM - INFO - delete_volume: dbus.String(u'Projects/')
[11:44] <rye> 2010-03-17 13:44:09,200 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.EQ - DEBUG - push_event: VM_VOLUME_DELETE_ERROR, args:(dbus.String(u'Projects/'), 'DOES_NOT_EXIST'), kw:{}
[11:44] <rye> 2010-03-17 13:44:09,200 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.DBus - ERROR - Unable to handle VM_VOLUME_DELETE_ERROR for volume_id=dbus.String(u'Projects/')
[11:44] <rye> hmm
[11:47] <rye> u1sdtool hangs in this case
[12:30] <rye> duanedesign, hm
[12:30] <rye> duanedesign, you are running system-wide couchdb as well
[12:31] <rye> I wonder whether that can affect anything..
[12:33] <psyphercode> ping nessita
[12:33] <nessita> psyphercode: hey there
[12:33] <nessita> psyphercode: I saw your error
[12:34] <psyphercode> nessita
[12:34] <psyphercode> nessita: oh ok cool
[12:34] <nessita> it's caused by the version of U1 you have
[12:34] <psyphercode> ah
[12:34] <nessita> psyphercode: I'm waiting for our metadata master to give me a hand :-)
[12:34] <psyphercode> ok sweet, thx
[12:35] <nessita> psyphercode: I'd ask you another thing, if possible
[12:35] <nessita> psyphercode: could you please attach SD logs as per today's status? the logs you attached yesterday are cut off at 2010-03-16 15:26:47,050
[12:36] <nessita> psyphercode: so I'd like to read the latest messages
[12:36] <psyphercode> well would i have to let the read complete 1st?
[12:37] <nessita> psyphercode: if you can do that, it would be helpful. If not, no problem :-)
[12:37] <nessita> psyphercode: I read you're charged for the bandwidth you use, so it's ok if you prefer not to do it
[12:41] <psyphercode> well it's n0ot the badnwidth that the problem right now, the problme is the read that takes 8+ hours, i actually don't even know how long it takes, i have never had my pc on long enough (longer than a work day) to have it complete. why i mention badwidth is bacause i have already uploaded 2-4GB of stuff which i cannot afford to have to re-upload
[12:41] <psyphercode> so just want to do anything i can to avoid having to re-upload anything
[12:42] <nessita> psyphercode: I understand. Then, let me fix the script so you can run it. I'll ping you as soon as I have an answer from my side, and I'll update the ticket as well
[12:42] <psyphercode> ok sweet
[12:43] <psyphercode> i wanna leave my laptop running all night tonight to download a steam game ;-p 4GB on a 384k line not cool ;) so while it's d/l i can lave it to read the metadata
[12:43] <nessita> psyphercode: what timezone are you in?
[12:43] <psyphercode> gmt +2
[12:44] <nessita> psyphercode: ok, so you won't be long around, right?
[12:45] <psyphercode> will be here for another hour or so
[12:45] <psyphercode> can be back online again in 3-4 hrs
[12:46] <nessita> psyphercode: ok, ping me before leaving if I didn't ping you first :-)
[12:47] <psyphercode> ok
[12:49] <rye> duanedesign, btw, are your gm scripts working now in ff 3.6/Lucid ?
[13:38] <rye> couchdb service is timing out
[13:38] <rye> affects all user contacts and notes
[13:45] <duanedesign> rye: yes the laumchpad-gm scripts are working
[15:45] <Technoviking> my sync arrow has an exclamtion point in Lucid. How to re-setup my laptop to sync with Ubuntu one. Think it lost its sync settings
[16:03] <CardinalFang> "How do I re-setup?" It should prompt you if there is a problem with your authorization.
[16:03] <Technoviking> CardinalFang: not seeing that
[16:03] <CardinalFang> Technoviking, You can force a problem with your auth, by going to the one.ubuntu.com web site, finding your machine, and removing its auth token.
[16:03] <Technoviking> CardinalFang: done
[16:04] <CardinalFang> Technoviking, But, I'm answering your question, and not what you should have asked.
[16:05] <CardinalFang> 'What does the "!" mean, and how do I fix it?'  Are you running Ubuntu 9.10, Technoviking ?
[16:05] <Technoviking> Lucid
[16:05] <CardinalFang> Ah, Technoviking.  Then open a terminal and run $ u1sdtool --status
[16:07] <Technoviking> http://paste.ubuntu.com/396779/
[16:07] <CardinalFang> Technoviking, also, I think the applet has disappeared in Lucid.  Right, rye?
[16:08] <CardinalFang> Technoviking, hrm. Ready to connect.  I wonder why it hasn't, then.  Perhaps it's not set to connect?
[16:08] <CardinalFang> Technoviking, $ u1sdtool --connect
[16:09] <CardinalFang> Then "status" again.
[16:10] <Technoviking> http://paste.ubuntu.com/396781/
[16:10] <Technoviking> no auth windows or web page came up
[16:14] <CardinalFang> Technoviking, $ gnome-open http://ubuntu.com/
[16:15] <Technoviking> ok, ubuntu.com came up in a browser
[17:38] <duanedesign> rye: yes the laumchpad-gm scripts are working/5
[17:38] <duanedesign> oops
[17:38] <duanedesign> sorry rye :P
[17:52] <rye> duanedesign, I believe i need to break something for the to wort on my install
[17:53] <duanedesign> rye: thats strange. did you use the commands in the Read Me?
[17:53] <duanedesign> for Launchpad-gm scripts.
[17:57] <duanedesign> rye: also were you going to do another write up on U1 and its different components and how it behaves in the new release?
[19:07] <Technoviking> How can I re-auth my laptop to Ubuntu One?
[19:09] <dobey> Technoviking: currently... disconnect, delete the token from your keyring, and connect again
[19:09] <dobey> this will be better shortly
[19:09] <Technoviking> will try
[19:15] <Technoviking> dobey: is the sync label with exclaimation point normal now
[19:15] <dobey> sync label with exclamation point?
[19:16] <Technoviking> my Ubuntu One Folder has had a gray sync label with a little exclaimation mark on it for a couple week now
[19:17] <dobey> the folder titled "Ubuntu One"? no. that shouldn't happen.
[19:17] <dobey> that's quite weird
[19:24] <rye> Technoviking, hi, could you please take a screenshot of that?
[19:25] <Technoviking> sure, make a bug or post so it is visible to you


[07:29] <ev> lfaraone: yes, if you break into the CD boot menu and select "Try Ubuntu"
[08:47] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r4836 trunk/src/ (panel/panel.c webcam/webcam.c webcam/webcam.h): Add copyright headers
[10:25] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r4837 trunk/ubiquity/nm.py: Don't overwrite the connect method in the Network Manager widget (D'oh).
[10:51] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r4838 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Hook up to the connection spinner, now that signals are working in the network manager widget.
[13:01] <lfaraone> ev: ok, and there is not supposed to be any text to the left of the select-language menu?
[13:04] <lfaraone> ev: nevermind, I tried again and that just appeared to be a graphics glitch in virtualbox.
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r4839 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: 1.119ubuntu4, console-setup 1.57ubuntu23, flash-kernel 2.28ubuntu28,
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: netcfg 1.68ubuntu1, partman-auto-loop 0ubuntu20, partman-
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: basicfilesystems 71ubuntu1, partman-efi 24ubuntu2, partman-
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: partitioning 81ubuntu2, tzsetup 1:0.26ubuntu10, user-setup
[16:56] <CIA-18> ubiquity: 1.28ubuntu18.
[16:58] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r4840 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py): I ♥ pyflakes.