[02:25] <DarthFrog> Hi folks.  I was wondering, is there an info to be had about installing & booting Ubuntu Server from ZFS?
[02:26] <sarnold> DarthFrog: give this a look https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS
[02:26] <DarthFrog> Thanks!
[03:25] <smoser> bdmurray, shoot. i realized i never responded to you.
[03:25] <smoser> i can upload to yakkety
[03:32] <smoser> should be uploaded as soon as local sbuild finishes
[03:35] <smoser> done.
[05:09] <stgraber> barry: just uploaded a fixed autopkgtest to the archive (adds support for LXD storage API). If that resolves the failure with LXD 2.9, it'd be great if you could push that fix to Debian so we can sync again.
[09:17] <tjaalton> Laney: I've kicked several dogtag-pki autopkgtests, but looks like freeipa test on dogtag-pki/i386 is somehow in limbo and just shows "in progress" while it clearly is not
[09:18] <tjaalton> oh sorry
[09:18] <tjaalton> now it's running :P
[09:18] <tjaalton> damn. the queue was empty though
[09:22] <Laney> hehe
[09:23] <tjaalton> I'll kick the rest
[09:23] <Laney> if you wait for dogtag-pki itself to migrate you'll have an easier time getting the new ones to pick that version up
[09:24] <Laney> good work on the tests btw
[09:24] <tjaalton> yeah
[09:25] <tjaalton> I'll wait for that.. then work on freeipa which seems to have some issues still :/
[09:44] <caribou> rbasak: nut's ftbs, looking at it
[10:02] <rbasak> caribou: thanks!
[10:02] <Laney> tough nut to crack
[10:03] <caribou> rbasak: looks like it's a dh_makeshlibs issue : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24012671/
[10:06] <rbasak> caribou: yeah it seems to end up with extra symbols on ppc64el which aren't part of the ABI
[10:07] <rbasak> I'm not sure I understand why.
[10:08] <caribou> rbasak: dunno where that cruft comes from indeed
[10:08] <rbasak> I've seen it in other packages.
[10:08] <rbasak> It seems wrong to just stuff those lines in libnutclient0.symbols.
[10:08] <rbasak> doko: ^ any advice please?
[10:08] <caribou> rbasak: I get the same error in a PPA
[10:08] <caribou> rbasak: doko is out today afaik
[10:13] <caribou> rbasak: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=831725
[10:19] <caribou> rbasak: fix is in though
[10:26] <cult-> xnox: Boris hasn't yet responded on the ticket. I could only verify the base odb package. is there anything i can do?
[11:10] <tsdgeos> oh man our zesty libreoffice still crashes because the version mismatch between apps and l10n is still there
[11:10] <tsdgeos> are we going to fix that or should i just go the snap way that seems to have the newer version anyway?
[12:19] <caribou> Is there a reason why dpkg-gensymbols would behave differently on ppc64el ?
[12:20] <caribou> it appends the full version string (with the ubuntu1 suffix) on ppc64el and does not on amd64
[12:21] <caribou> here is the diff of the debian/libnutclient0/DEBIAN/symbols files b/w amd64 & ppc64el builds : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24013220/
[12:22] <caribou> rbasak: I suspect that this is why nut build is failing on ppc64el
[12:24] <infinity> caribou: That just means the symbols files in the package are wrong.
[12:24] <infinity> caribou: And don't list ppc64el where they should.
[12:31] <caribou> well, it's in the debian buildlog as well, so might not be why it fails
[12:32] <infinity> It is why it fails.
[12:33] <infinity> At least one of the symbols is obviously jumping out.  Lemme dig a bit.
[12:34] <caribou> infinity: here is the debian buildlog : https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=nut&arch=ppc64el&ver=2.7.4-5&stamp=1485336450&raw=0
[12:39] <infinity> caribou: Not sure why our toolchains differ to make that not fatal in Debian, but our behaviour is more correct. :P
[12:40] <caribou> infinity: good to know
[12:40] <infinity> caribou: Tossing a build at ppa:adconrad/staging to see if I got all the bits.
[12:41] <ginggs> infinity, caribou: new symbols aren't fatal, dropping symbols is
[12:42] <ginggs> ppc64el defaults to -O3 in Ubuntu
[12:42] <ginggs> some symbols might be being optimized away
[12:42] <infinity> Oh, indeed, I missed the MISSING line.
[12:43] <caribou> infinity: could come from here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24013303/
[12:43] <caribou> that's the bug I mentionned earlier
[12:58] <infinity> caribou: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nut/2.7.4-5ubuntu2
[12:58] <caribou> infinity: yep, got it but it faiild
[12:58] <caribou> failed
[12:59] <caribou> infinity: looking at your diff atm
[12:59] <infinity> The part where nut is leaking half of stdlib through its ABI is ridiculous.
[13:00] <infinity> So, yes, -O3 generates slightly different stdlib grossness, and ppc64el becomes a unique snowflake on Ubuntu.
[13:00] <infinity> The other option would be to drop optimisation to -O2.
[13:00] <infinity> The best option would be to fix libnutclient0 to stop leaking stdlib.
[13:01] <infinity> Anyhow, this works for now.
[13:02] <fossfreedom_> seb128: sorry to keep bothering... - beta 1 is next week.  Any chance that our gnome-menus patch (bug 1631745) could be pushed before the beta build on Tuesday? TIA
[13:03] <infinity> caribou: So, all the lines where I added ppc64el to some amd64 bits, those can be upstreamed to Debian.
[13:03] <caribou> infinity: k
[13:03] <infinity> caribou: Where we're unique is that top line with the mangled ppc64el-only stdlib thing, and near the end, with the !ppc64el added to a demangled stdlib thing. :P
[13:04]  * infinity ponders a nap.
[13:05]  * caribou ponders a meal
[13:05] <seb128> fossfreedom, not today, I've too much to do and need to call it day early but I'm not the only sponsor around
[13:05] <seb128> fossfreedom, I can have a look on monday otherwise
[13:06] <fossfreedom_> seb128: thanks - ask on motu?
[13:06] <seb128> they probably don't have upload rights for main?
[13:07] <seb128> no, the channel we are on is good
[13:07] <seb128> but it's not easy to find people wanted to do sponsoring nowadays :-/
[13:11] <fossfreedom_> thanks.  Anyone around who is able to upload to main and is willing to sponsor a very import fix for Ubuntu Budgie please? bug 1631745
[13:11] <jamespage> ratliff, hello
[13:12] <jamespage> ratliff, the python-crypto security update to 2.6.1-6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in xenial has a bit of a knockon into paramiko
[13:13] <ratliff> jamespage: ask working on it, I will release a regression fix asap
[13:14] <ratliff> jamespage: thanks for letting me know
[13:14] <jamespage> ratliff, just found the bug report for paramiko !
[13:14] <jamespage> ratliff, CTR mode needs counter parameter, not IV
[13:14] <jamespage> ratliff, no not that on
[13:14] <jamespage> ratliff, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paramiko/+bug/1665565
[13:14] <jamespage> beisner, ^^
[13:15] <beisner> ack thx jamespage
[13:43] <popey> hello! apparently http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/vmlinuz doesn't boot under Xen anymore, but the trusty and xenial ones do. Where should this be reported?
[13:55] <Odd_Bloke> popey: That file hasn't changed in ~5 years, so I'd be surprised if that specific path was the issue.
[14:18] <smb> popey, the question might be under what version of Xen. I could imagine hypervisor changes happening which might result in old kernels failing with newer hypervisor versions. tbh with precise I would be tempted to hide somewhere until April
[14:26] <popey> Odd_Bloke: smb I'm told in Xen 4.4 (which is in debian stable) is breaks.
[14:28] <popey> hm, it's possibly it's always been broken, friend said he only just discovered it.
[14:30] <smb> That I could believe. Not sure why there is a special image anyway. At least for Precise onwards I believe the normal kernel should just work
[14:33] <popey> Ok. Thanks.
[14:44] <barry> stgraber: 4.3ubuntu1?
[14:46] <Henning__> Is there any way to get this into zesty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1655782 ?
[16:40] <teward> arges: cyphermox: either of you know whether there was any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1600452 ?  Someone on Ask Ubuntu is asking if/when this fix will be available to backport into older releases.
[16:40] <teward> and I haven't seen any progress on that since Sept. in the comments.
[18:33] <cyphermox> teward: it always takes a while, this requires a new shim to be signed.
[19:10] <smoser> hey. open-iscsi at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-open-iscsi
[19:10] <smoser> is there a way to get the full log of that ?
[19:11] <smoser> or do i just have to wait till it fails (neither of those are going to finish, the hang has occurred)
[19:17] <nacc> slangasek: infinity: re perl and libembperl-perl, it's a testcase regression (I think) where if PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 is set, we get a redefinition warning from the DynaLoader module. Is it normal for DynaLoader.pm to be in both /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1/ and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/ ?
[19:18] <nacc> I guess so, nm, it's that way in yakkety (allowing for version difference) too
[19:26] <nacc> slangasek: infinity: ok, so I ran the libembperl-perl testcase against the release pocket and it also fails
[19:29] <fossfreedom> Hi all - I asked this earlier - but just in-case someone who didnt see ...  Anyone around who is able to upload to main and is willing to sponsor a very import fix for Ubuntu Budgie please? bug 1631745
[19:32] <nacc> fossfreedom: i can look
[19:32] <fossfreedom> much appreciated!
[19:35] <nacc> fossfreedom: the patch from Feb. 10, I assume
[19:36] <fossfreedom> yes - comment 19
[19:45] <nacc> fossfreedom: sponsored
[19:45] <nacc> fossfreedom: note that i think there is no actul task for budgie-desktop itself?
[19:45] <fossfreedom> nacc: \o/
[19:46] <fossfreedom> correct - nothing specifically for budgie-desktop - but its budgie-desktop that crashes due to this bug in gnome-menus
[19:46] <nacc> fossfreedom: ack, i'll mark it as fix committed there too then
[19:46] <nacc> fossfreedom: it'll need to be manually updated to fix-released when gnome-menus migrates
[19:46] <fossfreedom> no worries - I'll handle.
[19:47] <nacc> fossfreedom: thanks!
[19:48] <nacc> xnox: i saw your rebuild for liblog4ada -- I don't understand how/why it's still out of date. Do you know ada? :)
[21:09] <kyrofa> Where might I find the manifest for ubuntu server (amd64)?
[21:09] <kyrofa> Xenial, specifically
[21:09] <kyrofa> I see the ones for the desktop on http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/, but no server
[21:10] <dobey> kyrofa: the manifest of the ISO, or do you mean the bits that genrate the ubuntu-server meta-package?
[21:10] <ogra_> kyrofa, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/xenial/daily/current/
[21:10] <ogra_> they seem to not go to releases.u.c for some reason
[21:10] <dobey> yeah and desktop iso isn't on cdimage for some reason
[21:10] <dobey> no idea why
[21:11] <kyrofa> dobey, ogra_ haha, perfect, thanks guys
[21:12] <ogra_> dobey, just a bit hidden http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/
[21:12] <ogra_> or s/xenial// for zesty
[21:14] <dobey> ogra_: i mean, the release ISOs aren't in the like 16.04.1 release directory on cdimage, but the server ISOs are
[21:14] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[22:19] <infinity> dobey: Eh?
[22:20] <infinity> dobey: "the release ISOs aren't in the like 16.04.1 release directory"?
[22:20] <infinity> dobey: x86 goes to releases, ports go to cdimage.
[22:21] <infinity> dobey: The "server ISOs are on cdimage" bit you're seeing are !x86.
[22:26] <dobey> oh
[22:27] <dobey> well when looking for *desktop* i wasn't even paying attention to what archs were there, only that desktop wasn't
[22:29] <infinity> cdimage could probably do with a top-level index header with wordy explainy things, like releases but backwards.
[22:29] <dobey> or *gasp* cdimage could have all the images ;)
[22:29] <dobey> but meh
[22:29] <infinity> "Here's where we host ports arches, unsupported images, and daily builds, for Canonical-supported x86 images, go -> here"
[22:30] <infinity> It perhaps could do.  But then people might start using it as their primary download source.
[22:30] <infinity> Which would be expensive.
[22:31] <infinity> The point of releases/archive versus cdimage/ports is that the former is what 95% (99%?) of our users use, so it's a small set of bits, widely-mirrored.
[22:32] <dobey> well, could have redirects to releases. the "physical" location of the ISOs i don't care much about. just want one listing of everything :)
[22:33] <dobey> yeah, i get that. i'm not complaining (much). just confused whenever i go there and don't remember the split
[22:33] <dobey> so meh
[22:35] <dobey> anyway, time for me to fly, as it were. later :)
[23:01] <nacc> so puppet is failing in z-p (has been for some time) because (I think) `puppet cert print $(hostname --fqdn)` complains about no certificates. I'm not sure how this is supposed to work if there's no guarantee that certificates are installed/configured somewhere in the tests themselves and I can reproduce this in a Sid lxd (although ci.debian says it did pass there before)
[23:02] <nacc> I'm not entirely sure what is recommended here
[23:26] <nacc> are quote exceeded messages in autopkgtest logs a concern? e.g. the linux autopkgtest for pciutils<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:26] <nacc> ogasawara: --^ or is the RTC timeout a known issue for the kernel test?


[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[09:07] <Mirv> bzoltan1: tsdgeos: after lp:~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/no_two_qapps_same_time getting that one fixed but more test failures exist https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157570125/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1%3A0.1.46%2B14.04.20131118-0~858~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:08] <Mirv> regarding layouts
[09:08] <tsdgeos> Mirv: wrong link?
[09:08] <tsdgeos> Mirv: this one is the one with
[09:08] <tsdgeos> QFATAL : tst_UCArguments::testNoArguments(NO ARGUMENTS) ASSERT failure in QCoreApplication: "there should be only one application object", file kernel/qcoreapplication.cpp, line 699
[09:09] <tsdgeos> which is what my branch fixes
[09:09] <Mirv> sorry, yes
[09:09] <Mirv> tsdgeos: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157869464/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1%3A0.1.46%2B14.04.20131126.1-0ubuntu1~870~ubuntu14.04.1%2Bfixqt52~test1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:10] <tsdgeos> Mirv: interesting, what do you want to do, open a new bug? reopen the existing one?
[09:10] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'll open a new one, makes things less confusing
[09:10] <tsdgeos> +1
[09:11] <Mirv> bug #1256235
[09:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256235 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Layout tests failing in ui-toolkit when building against Qt 5.2" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1256235
[09:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Electronic Greetings Day! :-D
[10:19] <ogra_> popey, do you have an idea if we will ever see the docviewer app enter the store ?
[10:19]  * ogra_ is close to write his own pdf viewer
[10:19] <popey> it should.. yes.
[10:19] <popey> but hey, multiple doc viewers aren't a bad thing ☻
[10:19] <ogra_> lol
[10:20] <ogra_> i just want to be able to read my ebooks without having to convert them to html all the time
[10:21] <popey> beru is nice
[10:21] <popey> but that's epub only
[10:22] <ogra_> right, doesnt help me ... all my ebooks are pdf
[10:22] <ogra_> (and i ave a few 100)
[10:23] <ogra_> also i think beru doesnt allow rotation lock ... kind of essential if you read sideways in bed
[10:24] <popey> file bugs / patches welcome etc
[10:24] <popey> its on github
[10:26]  * ogra_ sighs ...
[10:27] <ogra_> i think my grouper battery is giving up
[12:52] <seb128> hey sdk friends, question for you
[12:52] <seb128> I've a  ListItem.ItemSelector {} I'm using with a list that goes over the screen
[12:53] <seb128> does using "containerHeight: height" seems the right thing to do?
[12:53] <seb128> shouldn't that be the default?
[12:53] <seb128> (that would make scrolling work out of the box, where it doesn't at the moment)
[13:35] <t1mp> seb128: ask nic-doffay
[13:35] <seb128> t1mp, let's see if he replies to your ping an join the channel ;-) (thanks for pinging him btw)
[14:44] <seb128> nic-doffay__, hey
[14:45] <nic-doffay__> seb128, what's up
[14:47] <seb128> nic-doffay__, I've a  ListItem.ItemSelector {} I'm using with a list that goes over the screen
[14:47] <seb128> does using "containerHeight: height" seems the right thing to do?
[14:47] <seb128> shouldn't that be the default?
[14:47] <seb128> (that would make scrolling work out of the box, where it doesn't at the moment)
[14:48] <nic-doffay__> seb128, containerHeight is the height of the ListView by default.
[14:48] <nic-doffay__> Unless you set a custom height.
[14:48] <nic-doffay__> Which then enables scrolling inside the selector.
[14:49] <seb128> wouldn't it make sense to have it being the height of the ItemSelector by default?
[14:49] <seb128> so scrolling works out of the box?
[14:49] <seb128> what's the point of making it > to the visible content?
[14:52] <nic-doffay__> seb128, by default the containerHeight is the height of all the options in the ListView.
[14:52] <nic-doffay__> The height of the ItemSelector can change.
[14:53] <seb128> nic-doffay__, right, but why? shouldn't it be the height of the visible part (so scrolling works)?
[14:53] <nic-doffay__> seb128, I'm not sure what you mean by the visible part.
[14:54] <seb128> nic-doffay__, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6494365/ doesn't work as it should
[14:54] <seb128> nic-doffay__, e.g you can scroll down the list
[14:54] <seb128> nic-doffay__, it works if you add "containerHeight: height" ... but that's not obvious/appdev friendly
[14:55] <seb128> why can't that be the default value so the example works, including scrolling?
[14:55] <seb128> sorry, I might be overlooking something obvious
[14:55] <hikiko-lpt> hello :)
[14:55] <seb128> nic-doffay__, can->can't scroll, sorry
[14:56] <hikiko-lpt> anybody with free time to help me a little with a few general qml/qtcreator questions?
[15:00] <nic-doffay__> seb128, I'll take a look in a test app quickly...
[15:00] <t1mp> hikiko-lpt: just ask, and see if someone answers :)
[15:01] <seb128> nic-doffay__, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6494365/
[15:01] <seb128> nic-doffay__, that's my test app
[15:01] <seb128> nic-doffay__, thanks ;-)
[15:02] <hikiko-lpt> well I've seen that wiki explains a lot about qml but I wonder if there's any documentation on the basics, for example :) I imported the gallery app to the qtcreator and I can't figure out how to use the qml analyzer and what is it for
[15:04] <nic-doffay__> seb128, that use case is interesting you're right, scrolling should be enabled then. A check of the parent's height would have to be made.
[15:05] <nic-doffay__> hikiko-lpt, I've never used the analyzer yet.
[15:06] <seb128> nic-doffay__, what wouldn't work if the default was containerHeight = height?
[15:06] <seb128> nic-doffay__, sorry, I'm just trying to understand why it needs to be the height of the elements
[15:06] <nic-doffay__> seb128, there was a reason, I'm just trying to recall, it's been a while.
[15:07] <nic-doffay__> seb128, I'll get back to you soon. With a  concrete response.
[15:07] <nic-doffay__> It might be I was wrong.
[15:09] <seb128> nic-doffay__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1256356
[15:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256356 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ListItem.ItemSelector, scrolling doesn't work by default" [Undecided,New]
[15:09] <nic-doffay__> seb128, ah the reason it's set to what it is, is because the height of the actual OptionSelector is set to the column
[15:09] <nic-doffay__> The column includes the label and spacing.
[15:11] <seb128> nic-doffay__, label and spacing of what?
[15:11] <nic-doffay__> seb128, the optionselector is a column.
[15:11] <nic-doffay__> Which includes the label above the ListView.
[15:11] <hikiko-lpt> mmm cool there's a qtcreator doc that has everything :D
[15:12] <nic-doffay__> There is a spacing between the label and the ListView container.
[15:13] <seb128> nic-doffay__, oh, I see
[15:13] <seb128> nic-doffay__, so it should be "heigth - label_height - spacing"?
[15:14] <nic-doffay__> seb128, that's probably preferable yeah. I just hadn't taken into consideration this use case when I was doing it!
[15:14] <seb128> nic-doffay__, anyway, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1256356, thanks for considering it ;-)
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256356 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ListItem.ItemSelector, scrolling doesn't work by default" [Undecided,New]
[15:15] <nic-doffay__> seb128, thanks for filing it!
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, ^ btw
[15:16] <Laney> seb128: decent, thanks
[15:16] <seb128> yw
[15:35] <dholbach> hey popey - so I'm slightly rearranging and adding speaker notes to the content we have for the app dev school events right now - I'm done with the talk dpm gave at Øredev and was wondering if (we split it up properly) it was something we'd also want to screencast? (http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/apps-presentations/Ubuntu,%20the%20new%20force%20in%20mobile.odp)
[15:36] <dholbach> you have more experience with screencast and suggested we should keep them down to 5 minutes each
[15:36] <dholbach> so I wasn't quite sure
[15:38] <popey> yeah, that sounds reasonable
[15:39] <dholbach> popey, ok, so I'll take a look and see how we can break it up into digestible pieces and bring it up in a mail
[15:39] <popey> awesome
[15:40] <dholbach> popey, mhall119: I noticed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-app-devel/ isn't really used much
[15:41] <popey> i didnt realise it existed
[15:41] <dholbach> I was wondering if we should use it for discussions like this, so folks could probably get involved with things like the app dev school materials and stuff
[15:41] <dholbach> as the info doesn't drown in loads of other things like on ubuntu-touch
[15:41] <dholbach> err
[15:41] <dholbach> ubuntu-phone, sorry
[15:42] <popey> do we know how many people are on that list?
[15:43] <dholbach> mhall119, ^ do you have access for ubuntu-app-devel or do we have to ask David? :)
[15:44] <mhall119> dholbach: I don't think I do
[15:44] <dholbach> I'll mail dpm then
[15:45] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[16:36] <nic-doffay__> seb128, you know that use case where you did containerHeight: height
[16:37] <nic-doffay__> that's not working for me as I suspected.
[16:37] <nic-doffay__> It's just setting the height of the selector as itself?
[16:37] <nic-doffay__> nothing happens...
[16:37] <seb128> nic-doffay__, the example I pastebined work with "containerHeight: height", you can scroll down the list
[16:37] <seb128> not for you?
[16:38] <nic-doffay__> seb128, I think the actually height calculation is a problem too.
[16:38] <nic-doffay__> It should be set to the height of the parent, what are your thoughts?
[16:39] <seb128> nic-doffay__, that wouldn't work in a column?
[16:39] <seb128> e.g
[16:39] <seb128> Standar
[16:39] <seb128> Standard
[16:39] <nic-doffay__> seb128, no it wouldn't...
[16:39] <nic-doffay__> that's the thing.
[16:39] <seb128> ItemSelector
[16:49] <nic-doffay> seb128, fixed
[16:49] <nic-doffay> I'll try get it landed on Monday.
[16:50] <seb128> nic-doffay, thanks!
[16:54] <nic-doffay> seb128, mind giving the branch a spin and leaving a comment?
[16:59] <seb128> nic-doffay, sure, I can do that
[17:00] <nic-doffay> seb128, thanks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1256356
[17:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256356 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ListItem.ItemSelector, scrolling doesn't work by default" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:00] <nic-doffay> branch is linked there.
[17:00] <seb128> great
[17:40] <seb128> nic-doffay, that branch doesn't work
[17:40] <seb128> file:///usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/ItemSelector.qml:154: ReferenceError: label is not defined
[17:59] <nic-doffay> seb128, yeah the label id was missing from the ItemSelector.
[17:59] <nic-doffay> seb128, I'd really like to merge those two classes, egh.
[18:10] <labsin> popey, Was the Falling Blocks app any good on the phone?
[18:16] <seb128> nic-doffay, still not working fine, it's buggy in the case there is no "text" (e.g no title)
[18:26] <nic-doffay> seb128, argh forgot about that use case. I'll have to look into it on monday.
[19:08] <aquarius> marcoceppi, ping about discourse and juju and azure
[20:28] <aquarius> marcoceppi, brief note: "juju add relation discourse postgresql:db-admin" in http://marcoceppi.com/2013/07/deploying-discourse-in-production-lessons-learned/ should be add-relation. I was a bit shocked at first :)


[02:53]  * DalekSec pokes the nlsthzn.
[02:58]  * nlsthzn is poked
[04:31] <Kilos> ai!
[04:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro  sorry
[04:58] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:58] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[04:58] <barrydk> Hoe gaan dit Kilos
[04:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[04:59] <Kilos> wel ek lewe so dis een goeie ding
[05:57] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[05:57] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[05:57] <nlsthzn> alo
[06:03] <MaNI> hi
[06:10] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:17] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:57] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:00] <nlsthzn> so everyone excited about the release later today?
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> new Kurt Darren CD?
[07:01] <Kilos> if i can stay up ill get it in kde flavour nlsthzn
[07:01] <Kilos> i wanna see plasma5
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> you might as well just grab the latest daily build iso, there's going to be no significant difference
[07:02] <nlsthzn> I was using it since yesterday... switched back to Gnome 3
[07:03] <nlsthzn> yup, I am pretty sure the current daily is the release
[07:03] <nlsthzn> ThatGraemeGuy, who is Kurt Darren?
[07:03] <nlsthzn> :p
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm not even using *buntu anymore, but don't tell anyone
[07:03] <nlsthzn> use what works for you
[07:04] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <nlsthzn> if my bloody windows 7 wasn't giving me an update error I would be using it right now :/
[07:04] <Kilos> what you using ThatGraemeGuy
[07:04] <Kilos> debian or arch
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> debian sid
[07:04] <Kilos> the fly also
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> I get bored avery now and then and try something different
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> next time i'll try something else again with one of these new desktop
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> desktops
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> cinnamon or mate
[07:05] <nlsthzn> ThatGraemeGuy, I couldn't get all my fonts to look nice with sid so I gave up :/
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> or whatever else
[07:06] <nlsthzn> some websites where fugly
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i must say it was a lot of manual fiddlling to get my desktop looking like i wanted
[07:07] <nlsthzn> and now that the freeze is almost over for debian be ready for more breakage with sid
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> sid doesn't freeze
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> jessie/testing froze
[07:08] <nlsthzn> as far as I can tell there is also a slow down in sid... but I could be mistaken
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't noticed any, i still keep getting updates
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't filter down to testing during the freeze though
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> so when the freeze is lifted, testing get a sudden massive influx of updates and things break sometimes
[07:09] <Kilos> ai!
[07:09] <nlsthzn> might be what I am thinking about
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be less activity in sid because of maintainers focussing more on getting jessie clean though
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> but definitely not frozen
[07:10] <nlsthzn> lets hope it stays up regardless :p
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> 12 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:10]  * nlsthzn noticed more speed copying from external hdd via usb 3 in 15.04
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's now, and i ran a dist-upgrade yesterday
[07:16] <Kilos> thats the joy of linux, freedom of choice
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[07:17] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[07:23] <pieter2627> Kilos: about that book/manual thing, they are looking for a dedicated server to have python right?
[07:23] <Kilos> yes
[07:24] <pieter2627> found this yesterday http://www.webafrica.co.za/hosting/
[07:24] <Kilos> is it free?
[07:24] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  ^^
[07:24] <pieter2627> nope, but cheaper than a dedicated host
[07:25] <Jacques_Stry> this is the dependencies required - git-core python-dev python-pip libjpeg-dev libpq-dev libxml2-dev libxslt-dev rabbitmq-server redis-server tidy
[07:25] <Kilos> actually maybe one of you clever guys can look at ec2 and see if that free for a year thing can be dedicated
[07:26] <Kilos> free is good i think for a year, one can get lots done in a year
[07:27] <Kilos> inetpro  can they do dedicated
[07:27] <pieter2627> i asked them if it is possible to install django since i see that is needed and got pointed to the vps option to install anything
[07:28] <pieter2627> Kilos: i don't thing it is dedicated, but as i understand you are in full control, someone might be able to confirm
[07:29] <Kilos> thats for you clever peeps to work out
[07:29] <Kilos> i dont even understand the need for a dedicated server
[07:30] <Kilos> magespawn says that site is super fast
[07:30] <Kilos> i think he said a 2g upgrade or install took 3 secs
[07:34] <pieter2627> since the ec2 is free for a year, one can just get one and try it?
[07:35] <Kilos> yes thats what i was thinking
[07:36] <Kilos> oh Jacques_Stry  you spoke about sql
[07:37] <pieter2627> or sqlite
[07:37] <Kilos> i have a book called mastering sql by martin gruber that you can have
[07:38] <pieter2627> Kilos: how old is it?
[07:39] <Kilos> old i think
[07:40] <Jacques_Stry> Well they designed it with PostgreSQL but others should be fine
[07:41] <Kilos> im trying to find a date
[07:41] <Kilos> was my nieces at college
[07:43] <Kilos> can you find its age if i give you the isbn number
[07:44] <pieter2627> should be able to
[07:45] <Kilos> isbn : 0-7821-2538-7
[07:46] <pieter2627> year 2000 http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-SQL-Martin-Gruber/dp/0782125387
[07:46] <Kilos> so in todays world its very old
[07:47] <Kilos> anyway anyone is welcome to it
[07:48] <Kilos> i read up to the need for a second table and gave up
[07:48] <pieter2627> probably, but it is a start if no other choice exists
[07:48] <Kilos> 841 pages and a cd
[07:53] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:53] <psyatw> hi pieter2627
[07:53] <pieter2627> morning psyatw
[07:53] <psyatw> does SQL matter in a world of NoSQL? :)
[07:54] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:55] <psyatw> I went to the Hadoop meetup yesterday
[07:55] <Kilos> we have a project that uses sql
[07:55] <psyatw> and learned about Apache Drill
[07:55] <Kilos> nice
[07:55] <psyatw> it's a cool project
[08:04] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[08:35] <Kilos> aw
[08:35] <Kilos> that was someone from our site and i was outside
[08:36] <Kilos> i need to organise a whole group of greeter bots
[09:26] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[09:26] <SilverCode> hi Kilos
[09:33] <Kilos> SilverCode  have you joined us yet at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[09:33] <Kilos> i forget who ive asked and who not
[09:33] <Kilos> ai!
[09:51] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry
[09:52] <Kilos> pieter2627  wat dink jy van daai ec2 ding
[09:54] <Kilos> im looking for more places
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> Exchange reset
[10:00] <Kilos> ah
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> Happening quite often these days
[10:00] <Kilos> no matter wb anyway
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> :) ty
[10:00] <Kilos> hehe
[10:01] <Kilos> im working on another host but could take a while, need to get to know him first
[10:02] <Kilos> i dont know how well tie the booktype thing to ubuntu work
[10:02] <Kilos> maybe ec2 can be done in the meantime
[10:03] <pieter2627> Kilos: with my limited knowledge, it does not look bad
[10:05] <Kilos> yay
[10:05] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  can jy hom help asb
[10:06] <Kilos> i will need to know the size of a dedicated server needed for it
[10:06] <Kilos> if ec2 dont work
[10:06] <Kilos> and all the links
[10:08] <Jacques_Stry> They don't have system requirements listed on the site
[10:08] <Jacques_Stry> but shouldn't be much
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz  define much
[10:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Much \Much\, n. 1. A great quantity; a great deal; also, an indefinite quantity; as, you have as much as I. [1913 Webster]  He that gathered much had nothing over. --Ex. xvi. 18. [1913 Webster]  Note: Muchin this sense can be regarded as an adjective qualifying a word unexpressed, and may, therefore, be modified by as, so, too, very. [1913 Webster]  2. A
[10:10] <Maaz> thing uncommon, wonderful, or noticeable; something considerable. [1913 Webster]  And [he] t…
[10:10] <Jacques_Stry> for installation see this page:http://goo.gl/kLgAoP
[10:10] <Kilos> ok
[10:10] <Kilos> what system does it need to install onto
[10:11] <Kilos> dont tell me windows, ill cry
[10:12] <Jacques_Stry> a VPS with a gig of ram should be enough
[10:12] <pieter2627> ubuntu, centos, debian, mac os is what it has been tested upon
[10:12] <Kilos> aha
[10:12] <Jacques_Stry> http://goo.gl/kLgAoP this is installation on debian based
[10:12] <Jacques_Stry> but other distro's supported too
[10:12]  * pieter2627 has also been thinking why a vps can't work instead
[10:13] <Jacques_Stry> - what he said
[10:15] <Kilos> will these books be for south africans only or anyone?
[10:18] <Jacques_Stry> Good question - but I guess we targeting SA first
[10:19] <Kilos> yeah what i mean is is the education the same all over or do we do different stuff here
[10:21] <Kilos> dont forget i was in school 46 years ago
[10:22] <Jacques_Stry> SA different from other countries
[10:23] <Kilos> isnt maths maths all over and so on
[10:23] <Kilos> our only diffs should be hisory
[10:23] <Kilos> english is english
[10:24] <Kilos> accounting should be same
[10:24] <Kilos> computer classes should be same
[10:25] <Kilos> i wish william was here
[10:25] <Jacques_Stry> True, but the curriculum's differ from countries and books for sa will have to be translated to different languages
[10:26] <Kilos> is this for za kids to do what they are supposed to be doing at school or what
[10:29] <Kilos> sjoe im too old to be thinking about this kinda stuff
[10:29] <Kilos> lemme mail william
[10:43] <Kilos> ok mailed him, maybe he can enlighten me
[10:44] <Kilos> im so far past all that stuff i dont even know what to ask
[10:45] <Kilos> like is the idea for homeschooling or to supply schools or what
[10:46] <Kilos> if for home study then a curriculum does mater
[10:46] <Kilos> matter either
[10:46] <Kilos> doesnt
[10:46] <Kilos> ai!
[10:50] <Kilos> inetpro  lunchtime
[10:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is booktype for?
[10:50] <Kilos> they want to make study books
[10:51] <Kilos> available online
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is they?
[10:51] <Kilos> william started it
[10:52] <Kilos> arent you on our mailing list ThatGraemeGuy  ?
[10:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't think so
[10:52] <Kilos> he has been trying for months to get things going
[10:52] <Kilos> now Jacques_Stry  is trying to help
[10:53] <Kilos> you can find the link to join our lit on our website
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's the hold up?
[10:53] <Kilos> list
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't really do mailing lists, i never look at them
[10:53] <Kilos> what they are going to use i think
[10:53] <Jacques_Stry> at the moment the biggest problem is hosting
[10:54] <Kilos> ya we need a host to host booktype
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> need lots of space? lots of cpu? lot of downloads expected?
[10:54] <Jacques_Stry> has to be VPS or Dedicated
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't decide where to host until you have some idea of those sorts of things
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> but we don't expect a lot of load for quite a while
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> dedi is expensive
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> know...
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> so we trying to do VPS
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> start with a 1GB vps and it can be grown if needed typically
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> we gonna try ec2 for now
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, so it sounds like there's no holdup...... make it happen! :P
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> Haha
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not a cloud boffin :-/
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> same
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> will figure it out as I go
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> apparently i signed up for the free level some time ago because amazxon said my free year is about to run out
[10:57] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  keep eyes open for magespawn he is using it
[10:57] <Kilos> says its super fast
[10:58] <Jacques_Stry> At the moment I have a dedicated with OVH, managing it should be similar
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> bizarro
[11:32] <Jacques_Stry> So see no reason of ec2 not to work
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> put important stuff on an EBS volume, instance storage is non-permanent
[11:33] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> assming you get EBS at the free level
[11:34] <Jacques_Stry> you do - 5gb
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> EBS = Elastic Block Storage, basically a network drive
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it has redundancy so it isn't susceptible to physical issues
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> whereas the normal storage you get with a plain instance is not redundant, and may be destroyed
[11:35] <Kilos> oh and keep notes  Jacques_Stry
[11:35] <Jacques_Stry> so when do they destroy data?
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you treat EC2 as a VPS provider you're gonna have a bad time
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure exactly
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't going to just happen, but it can
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> guess that doesn't help
[11:36] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> this stuff is all magic, I stick with a VPS, its stuff I understand
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> if I had a need I'd learn the amazon stuff
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> but meh
[11:37] <Jacques_Stry> Well it seems that root storage is on the EBS
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> Went into  EBS storage and it shows already attached to my compute instance
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> as root
[11:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[11:40] <Jacques_Stry> So should be safe
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> and there you already know more than me :-D
[11:44] <pieter2627> you get EBS on free EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ebs/
[12:02] <Jacques_Stry> testing the free ec2 out now
[12:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:08] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[12:08] <Kerbero> Middag Kilos
[12:09] <Jacques_Stry> sudo apt-get install postgresql
[12:09] <Jacques_Stry> lol wrong chat
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:09] <Kilos> ooo yay im not the only one
[12:09] <Kerbero> sudo apt-get install mysql
[12:09] <Kerbero> :P
[12:10] <Kilos> Kerbero  hulle werk hard met ec2
[12:10] <Kilos> en booktype
[12:10] <Jacques_Stry> Well they tested it with Postgre so gonna stay with it for now
[12:10] <Kerbero> imho postgre is better for production environments
[12:11] <Kerbero> But I know mysql so I use it everywhere
[12:16] <Kilos> oh Jacques_Stry  i remember something said about schools that dont get books etc
[12:16] <Kilos> maybe i dreamed that
[12:18] <Kilos> william taking long to answer
[12:18] <Jacques_Stry> must say these SSD's on ec2 is quick
[12:19] <Kilos> nice
[12:39] <Jacques_Stry> sigh - booktype isn't in the repo's provided
[12:40] <Kilos> ai!
[12:41] <pieter2627> Jacques_Stry: aren't you cloning from git?
[12:41] <Jacques_Stry> installing from their repo's so that it updates because the software is still in beta
[12:42] <pieter2627> oh
[12:44] <Kilos> keep notes
[12:45] <Kilos> easier to pastebin notes than to think it all through from scratch again
[12:46] <Kilos> and keep notes for mechanic types not geeks
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you also want to start making books?
[12:59] <Kilos> nono but maybe someone else can use  ec2 as well
[13:00] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: you still getting connected to ctwug? finally got my link up and working over the past weekend
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I struggled to find useful signal
[13:03] <Kilos> i wrote a booklet already ThatGraemeGuy  but fly had to fix it hehe
[13:03] <Jacques_Stry> I see 15.04 release is up
[13:04] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: possible because on the map it doesnt show any1 with a dish pointed in your direction
[13:04] <TinuvaMac> you may need some1 to put up a temp test kit on their site pointing to you
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'm on the back end of a hill
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> my only hope was capeflyer
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> or capeflyer3 i don't recall
[13:04]  * pieter2627 runs of to get it, points Jacques_Stry to this first https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/sourcefabric-booktype-book-collab-software#answer_19441
[13:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> but there is a double storey in the way right diagonally next to me
[13:06] <TinuvaMac> aah i see
[13:06] <TinuvaMac> you left your site height at 3m, may need quite a bit more than that
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was up on the roof scanning with the test kit, not just going on what WiND says
[13:09] <TinuvaMac> ok
[13:09] <TinuvaMac> cape flyer doesnt have anything pointing in your direction though
[13:09] <TinuvaMac> you would need someone on his side as well with a kit
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> problem there as well is that he is much lower down than me
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> plus the double-storey is easily 2m higher than i can manage with a 3m pole
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i need some pretty serious height
[13:11] <Kilos> ai!
[13:11] <Jacques_Stry> messed up the install - will try again when I get home
[13:11] <Jacques_Stry> I like ec2 - pretty nice for testing setups - test something and when finished just delete the instance
[13:11] <TinuvaMac> i added a 7.3m pole on the side of my house
[13:11] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: have you tried scanning in stellenbosch direction?
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> I scanned in all directions initially and nothing useful came up
[13:13] <TinuvaMac> LoS from you to Bott looks great actually
[13:13] <TinuvaMac> only downside is, you will have to buy kit for both sides to get connected, if that guy agrees to it
[13:13] <TinuvaMac> thats what i had to do to get connected
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, I'm just going to wait until I move somewhere else
[13:15] <MaNI> heh, don't move to helderberg, we seem to be the worst part of the wug
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wouldn't move there anyway
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have friends there and it seems whenever we go there its windy as hell
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> perhaps my bad luck but i won't test that theory :p
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> they were trying to get something up at bezweni, not sure if anything came of that
[13:19] <TinuvaMac> ah ok
[13:21] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[13:22] <Kilos> hi Langjan  gaanit?
[13:22] <Langjan> Fine thks, en jy?
[13:23] <MaNI> given the lack of replies I would guess it wasn't even followed up on
[13:23] <Kilos> ek gaan aan dankie
[13:23] <Langjan> Mooi so, Kilos what does a cross in synaptic signify?
[13:24] <Langjan> must I mark them for removal?
[13:24] <Kilos> i think that means there are upgrades
[13:25] <Kilos> just tick mark all upgrades and then apply
[13:25] <Langjan> ok lets see
[13:26] <Langjan> portfolio means you have a new job
[13:26] <Langjan> the one we all congratulated you about?
[13:26] <Kilos> ai! thats driving me nuts
[13:27] <Langjan> Sorry! Kilos its asking me if I want to remove grub 2 from boot/grub
[13:27] <Kilos> oh my ok close synaptic
[13:29] <Langjan> must I its still working...
[13:31] <Langjan> so does not react it says completely removing grub-pc(i386)
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> MaNI: seems so
[13:33] <Langjan> Kilos did I mess up?
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm going there next weekend if i remember I'll ask the guys if anyone did come chat to them about the wug stuff
[13:35] <MaNI> did the people who used to manage the helderberg section leave or something?
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure
[13:36] <Kilos> nou nou terug
[13:36] <MaNI> I'm sure when I first looked into it many years ago there were high points and active people and stuff
[13:36] <MaNI> but now that I actually want to join theres no access points or anything
[13:37] <Kilos> sorry Langjan
[13:37] <Kilos> sudo aptitude upgrade
[13:38] <Kilos> had to get gates for sis
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> asking on ctwug IRC
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure if cafsta is afk though
[13:39] <Langjan> Kilos its applying changes, currently purging config files for grub pc
[13:39] <Kilos> it will give you options
[13:40] <Langjan> completely removing grub pc i386
[13:40] <Kilos> that grub 1386 isnt needed if you on 64bit
[13:40] <Kilos> are you on 64bit
[13:40] <Langjan> im on 32 bit
[13:40] <Kilos> oh my
[13:41] <Kilos> how can grub be installed in the wrong place
[13:41] <TinuvaMac> MaNI: for me it was easier once I found someone close to me that seemed very interesting getting me up and running. It does help to find out who your area admin is, and get on to the whatsapp group for the area, that quickly sorted me out getting in touch with people
[13:42] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, yeah, thats the thing though it seems almost to me like the area has collapsed theres almost nobody to connect to and the remaining guy cafsta probably means well but I don't think he has the time/resources or something
[13:43] <Langjan> So what do I do now? Nothing is working, its busy purging grub
[13:43] <Kilos> let it go on but dont switch off
[13:43] <TinuvaMac> wow cafsta's id is low, 479 one of the 1st 500
[13:43] <Langjan> ok thks
[13:44] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, I mean if you check http://www.ctwug.za.net/forumdisplay.php?35-Helderberg-Area - there is almost no recent activity
[13:45] <TinuvaMac> well i wouldnt go by that
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> MaNI: if you have the time and skill to be an admin perhaps you can pick up on this: http://www.ctwug.za.net/showthread.php?4473-Looking-for-access-point-for-connection&p=38869&viewfull=1#post38869
[13:45] <TinuvaMac> like i say, nowadays its all on whatsapp with the new kids and even the old folks
[13:46] <MaNI> especially gordons bay side
[13:46] <MaNI> skill yeah, time no :(
[13:46] <MaNI> equipment also no :p
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> equipment is probably not an issue, for a nice high site like that i'm sure you can make a case for getting money from the WUG account
[13:49] <MaNI> I mean ladders, crimping tools etc. I don't have any networking tools :p surely an area admin needs those at a minimum, but yeah time is a huge problem for me maybe if some frees up and still nothing is going on I can have a look
[13:49] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, pretty sad if something like a wug uses primarily whatsapp to communicate thats not a very good way to include new people,   but yeah maybe thats how the world is now
[13:56] <Kilos> Langjan  whats happening
[13:58] <Langjan> still running...
[13:59] <Kilos> ok then we run another command to replace grub
[14:00] <Kilos> jy moenie goed breek nie outoppie
[14:01] <Langjan> ek probeer maar in die nuwe sa moet mens kan goed breek
[14:01] <Kilos> lol
[14:06] <Kilos> sjoe dit vat lank ne
[14:06] <Kilos> ossewa laptop
[14:07] <TinuvaMac> MaNI: I completely see your point about that. It would be great to see more people on the ctwug irc. In my area alone, irc channel has 9 people, 1 bot with 2 and area admin active. Whatsapp...30 people with 15 active
[14:07] <TinuvaMac> maybe even more on whatsapp
[14:08] <TinuvaMac> 15 active with 100 in the goup
[14:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:09] <TinuvaMac> cafsta is active on irc tho :P
[14:13] <MaNI> hehe #ctwug-helderberg is 2 :p
[14:15] <Kilos> oh my
[14:15] <Kilos> whats app killed the wug star
[14:18] <Jacques_StrY> Would be awesome if we could get a WUG in RTB
[14:20] <Kilos> ptawug goes to brits for definite, maybe gone fruther by now
[14:20] <Langjan> Kilos it does not show any movement, except to say purging configuration files, you think its still going somewhere?
[14:20] <Kilos> i looked about 2 years ago
[14:20] <Kilos> sjoe normally aptitude sorts things
[14:21] <Langjan> It does say it can take some time...
[14:21] <Kilos> let it run
[14:21] <Langjan> ok boss
[14:21] <Kilos> then use sudo aptitude install grub-pc
[14:21] <Kilos> if that says it is installed then run
[14:21] <Langjan> thks Kilos
[14:22] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[14:22] <Kilos> anytime Langjan
[14:22] <Kilos> then you should be safe
[14:23] <Langjan> OK thks Kilos
[14:24] <Kilos> maybe boot-repair messed something up
[14:32] <Kilos> oh also Langjan  in synaptic you can go edit then tick fix broken packages
[14:32] <Kilos> maybe thats why synaptic is taking so long
[14:32] <Kilos> but dont switch off
[14:42] <Kilos> Langjan  i dont think you can run two install commands same time from terminal but try in another terminal sudo apt-get -f install
[14:57] <Kilos> nou kry ek sommer skaam. ek moes eers jou pos gelees het maar was buite by die skape
[14:57] <Kilos> ai!
[15:15] <Langjan> It gives "another process is using terminal"
[15:15] <Kilos> ok lets try kill it
[15:15] <Kilos> ctrl+c
[15:16] <Kilos> then type exit
[15:17] <Kilos> hopefully that will kill it
[15:18] <Kilos> where are the clever peeps when i need them
[15:18] <Langjan> It gives option to end process, I select yes but it does not stop
[15:18] <Kilos> try a few times
[15:18] <Kilos> we have to end that process
[15:19] <Langjan> Its got 9 lives
[15:19] <Kilos> lol
[15:20] <Kilos> now we need a kill command
[15:20] <Langjan> How do you kill a cat?
[15:20] <Kilos> MaNI
[15:20] <Kilos> now everyone on their way home too
[15:22] <Kilos> elacheche  how do i kill a terminal running a config process thats stuck
[15:22] <Kilos> Langjan  rattle your cage maybe someone will hear
[15:26] <Langjan> will a run in guest session not work?
[15:26] <Kilos> im scared grub is totally messed up
[15:27] <Kilos> without grub you are messed unless you have boot=-repair on a cd or stick
[15:28] <Kilos> oh lets see
[15:28] <Kilos> try running boot-repair and see if that can get past the terminal
[15:28] <Langjan> ok
[15:29] <Kilos> with that process running synaptic wont work either
[15:30] <Langjan> boot repair running
[15:30] <Kilos> yay lets hold thumbs
[15:31] <Langjan> no luck, still same
[15:31] <Kilos> eish
[15:31] <Langjan> other options on boot repair?
[15:31] <Kilos> there must be a kill command
[15:32] <Kilos> nope
[15:32] <Langjan> Found this but dont know how it works: http://ubuntuguide.net/view-and-kill-current-processes-on-ubuntu
[15:33] <Langjan> I dont see suystem monitor anywhere
[15:33] <Kilos> look for terminal
[15:33] <Jacques_StrY> What is the process that is hanging?
[15:34] <Kilos> terminal of config
[15:34] <Langjan> ok found it
[15:34] <Kilos> i dunno
[15:34] <Langjan> found system monitor
[15:34] <Kilos> ok then use the kill for that
[15:34] <Kilos> why you looking for system monitor
[15:35] <Langjan> Compiz and gnome sytstem monitor running
[15:35] <Kilos> can you paste all the running stuff in slexy.org
[15:35] <Kilos> or in a pm
[15:36] <Langjan> Only thing running except monitor is compiz
[15:36] <Kilos> oh
[15:37] <Kilos> i dunno what compiz does
[15:37] <Jacques_StrY> what was busy configuring that is currently hanging
[15:37] <Kilos> some grub stuff
[15:38] <Jacques_StrY> compiz is part of x that handles 3d window effects
[15:38] <Langjan> Killed compiz but now system is unresponsive
[15:38] <Kilos> ai
[15:39] <elacheche> hey again.. Kilos did you killed it?
[15:39] <Kilos> nope killed compiz now system dont respond
[15:39] <Kilos> ai!
[15:40] <Kilos> jan you got a live dvd?
[15:40] <Langjan> Ubuntu? yes
[15:41] <Kilos> ok first try rebooting if it wont try booting from dvd
[15:41] <Langjan> only way to reboot is to power off
[15:41] <Kilos> ok
[15:42] <Langjan> holding thumbs, better, praying
[15:42] <Kilos> ai!
[15:43] <Kilos> all he needed was to repair broken packages first but i saw his mail late
[15:43] <Kilos> but Jacques_StrY  you will know how to mount the drive and install grub-pc hey
[15:43] <Langjan> It's booted
[15:43] <Kilos> woohoo
[15:43] <Kilos> ok now
[15:44] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[15:44] <Kilos> oh wait
[15:44] <Kilos> something broken there
[15:44] <Kilos> sudo apt-get clean
[15:45] <Kilos> sudo apt-get autoclean
[15:45] <Kilos> ai! hes done first one
[15:46] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  for some reasong grub was installed in the wrong place
[15:46] <Kilos> and there are broken packages somewhere
[15:47] <Langjan> kilos I'm trying to run xdiagnose to fix a graphics prob, its not opening for some reason
[15:48] <Kilos> has it opened to terminal?
[15:48] <Langjan> yes
[15:49] <Kilos> then lets clean out broken packages first
[15:49] <Langjan> ok sudo apt-get clean?
[15:49] <Kilos> ya
[15:49] <Langjan> or autoclean?
[15:49] <Kilos> and the other one i forget which does what
[15:50] <Langjan> so what must I run first?
[15:50] <Kilos> clean
[15:51] <Langjan> ok then?
[15:51] <Langjan> nothings happening
[15:51] <Kilos> autoclean
[15:51] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get -f install
[15:52] <Langjan> dpkg was interrupted, must run sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[15:53] <Kilos> run that
[15:53] <Kilos> thats where it was stuck
[15:53] <Langjan> now autoclean?
[15:54] <Kilos> ya
[15:54] <Kilos> did dpkg do anything
[15:54] <Langjan> running
[15:55] <Langjan> running update
[15:55] <Kilos> on its own?
[15:55] <Langjan> am getting the same duplicate resources list message
[15:55] <Kilos> thats later worry
[15:56] <Langjan> ok what next ?
[15:56] <Kilos> got duplicate entries in update thingie
[15:56] <Kilos> ok slowly now
[15:56] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[15:56] <Kilos> then
[15:57] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[15:57] <Langjan> ok running
[15:58] <Kilos> if im gone a bit im getting gates for sis
[15:58] <Kilos> just be patient
[15:58] <Kilos> ill be back
[15:59] <Langjan> ok done thks so far
[15:59] <Kilos> ubuntu-desktop as well?
[16:00] <Kilos> then it should work fine again
[16:01] <Langjan> everything seems fine except not getting xdiagnose to open
[16:01] <Kilos> installed ubuntu-desktop?
[16:01] <Langjan> yes
[16:02] <Kilos> can you remember what graphics was in there?
[16:03] <Kilos> what you mean everything seems fine? are you in  a working system
[16:03] <Kilos> gui and all?
[16:04] <Langjan> system is working fine, whats gui?
[16:04] <Kilos> graphic user interface
[16:04] <Kilos> die groot prent
[16:04] <Kilos> the ubuntu unity look
[16:05] <Langjan> only thing is fixed size of icons etc which I usually fix with xdiagnose
[16:05] <Kilos> just type additional in dash
[16:05] <Langjan> how doo I do that?
[16:05] <Kilos> see if the graphics drivers are installed
[16:06] <Kilos> the top thing in the launching panel
[16:06] <Langjan> additional in dash?
[16:06] <Kilos> where you open programs
[16:06] <Kilos> ya
[16:06] <Langjan> how do I type there?
[16:07] <Kilos> additional should then give you a choice of opening additional drivers
[16:07] <Kilos> when you tick it a window with search panel must open
[16:07] <Langjan> ok with you
[16:07] <Kilos> gates
[16:08] <Langjan> I have never had drivers in there
[16:08] <Langjan> no proprietory drivers in use, same as always
[16:09] <Langjan> Itrs my screen resolution I need to sort out, everythings huge at the moment
[16:11] <Langjan> should I try to reboot again?
[16:11] <Kilos> oh ok but you will find if you have right drivers it is a bit quicker
[16:11] <Kilos> you can
[16:11] <Kilos> it should have remembered all your setting
[16:11] <Langjan> hope so!
[16:12] <Langjan> Instead of Ubuntu, grub now shows gnu linux
[16:12] <Kilos> its working
[16:12] <Kilos> dont fix what isnt broken
[16:13] <Langjan> leave well enough alone
[16:13] <Kilos> lol ya
[16:13] <Kilos> is the icon size still messed up?
[16:14] <Langjan> yes, it has rebooted but size still huge and xdiagnose still not working, maybe try to uninstall and reinstall xdiagnoes?i
[16:15] <Langjan> or run from synaptic?
[16:15] <Kilos> open synaptic
[16:15] <Kilos> tick reload
[16:15] <Langjan> ok done
[16:16] <Kilos> then um
[16:16] <Kilos> wiat
[16:16] <Kilos> wait too
[16:16] <Langjan> running
[16:16] <Langjan> waiting
[16:16] <Kilos> mark all upgrades
[16:16] <Langjan> wiating too
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Langjan> ok downloading 3 package files
[16:17] <Kilos> what files
[16:18] <Langjan> ek het vergeet
[16:18] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <Langjan> ok done
[16:18] <Kilos> ok when done type at top graphics
[16:19] <Langjan> ok done
[16:20] <Kilos> somewhere in there must be nouveau drivers ticked
[16:21] <Kilos> but you can right click reinstall everything thats shows green in there
[16:21] <Langjan> nothing ticked
[16:21] <Kilos> go down
[16:21] <Kilos> must be lots of stuff
[16:22] <Langjan> lots but nothing ticked
[16:22] <Kilos> has it got a nvidia graphics card in
[16:22] <Langjan> no idea
[16:22] <Kilos> nvidia is easy to remember the ati i dont know
[16:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:23] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  kan jy oor neem asb soek watter graphics moet instaleer
[16:23] <Kilos> lspci
[16:23] <Kilos> ek dink
[16:25] <Kilos> Langjan  look in setting and the screen thing if you can fix settings
[16:25] <Langjan> Built-in display
[16:25] <Kilos> settings that gear thing in the launcher
[16:26] <Kilos> didnt we have to find ati drivers for this one sometime
[16:26] <Langjan> no
[16:26] <Langjan> I used xdiagnose to sort it out
[16:26] <Kilos> i hope its nvidia
[16:27] <Kilos> ok type xdiagnose in synaptic and reinstall it
[16:30] <Langjan> ok going
[16:31] <Langjan> still no luck
[16:31] <Kilos> maybe that is part og the configuration that crashed
[16:32] <Kilos> lets try something else
[16:32] <Kilos> tick xdiagnose and remove it
[16:32] <Kilos> then install again
[16:33] <Langjan> in synaptic?
[16:33] <Kilos> ya
[16:33] <Kilos> and sommer reinstall everything thats green there
[16:33] <Langjan> removal or complete removal?
[16:33] <Kilos> removal
[16:35] <Langjan> still not working. remove, reboot then reinstall?
[16:36] <Kilos> its just some config somewhere
[16:36] <Kilos> but to find it
[16:37] <Kilos> reinstalling everything in synaptic will work but thats a days job
[16:37] <pieter2627> try opening xdiagnose from terminal to see what the problem is
[16:39] <Kilos> Langjan  pieter2627  is one of the clever young breed
[16:39] <Langjan> Hi pieter2627, glad to meet you
[16:39] <Langjan> dalk kan jy die ou manne help
[16:40] <Langjan> whats the command pse?
[16:40] <Langjan> to open xdiagnose in terminal
[16:40] <Kilos> xdiagnose
[16:40] <Kilos> maybe sudo
[16:40] <pieter2627> Hi Langjan, likewise here. (i thing that is currently only Kilos's prayer)
[16:41] <pieter2627> probably just xdiagnose
[16:41] <pieter2627> else try xd then <tab>
[16:41] <pieter2627> to get suggestions
[16:42] <Langjan> Error: No /etc/default/grub present
[16:42] <pieter2627> shouldn't one update grub after install
[16:43] <pieter2627> `sudo grub update` i think
[16:43] <Kilos> sudo update-grub
[16:44] <Langjan> still nothing
[16:45] <pieter2627> what did update-grub do
[16:45] <pieter2627> *?
[16:46] <Langjan> Found linux image, initrd image, memtest image
[16:47] <Langjan> memtest86+.elf and .bin
[16:47] <Langjan> Hope that helps
[16:50] <pieter2627> i know you did this, but just retry `sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc`
[16:52] <Langjan> ok
[16:52] <pieter2627> now `ls /etc/default/grub`
[16:54] <pieter2627> does it reprint the path or output not found?
[16:54] <Langjan> aha, you got it
[16:54] <pieter2627> so xdiagnose is now opening?
[16:54] <Kilos> fixed?
[16:54] <Langjan> xdiagnose opened, now rebooting
[16:55] <Kilos> woohooo
[16:55] <Kilos> Langjan  sien jy nou hoekom boer ek hier
[16:55] <Langjan> hoowhooo!!! just checking on reboot
[16:55] <Langjan> grub menu showing correctly
[16:56] <pieter2627> Kilos: maze, corn, or ... :P
[16:56] <Kilos> brains
[16:56] <Kilos> if you mix with clever peeps you start smelling clever
[16:57] <Langjan> screen resolution now its running around in circles, not booting after grub menu shows
[16:58] <Kilos> ai!
[16:58] <Kilos> think tank
[16:59] <Langjan> ai tog
[16:59] <Kilos> reboot again and hit top recovery mode
[17:00] <Langjan> Theres no recovery mode.  Ek het nou die install en update gedoen, wat volg?
[17:52] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[17:52] <Langjan> klaar gedoen
[17:52] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[17:52] <Langjan> dit ook
[17:52] <Langjan> probeer weer
[17:52] <Kilos> dan weer sudo apt-get update
[17:53] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[17:56] <Langjan> ok boot repair running
[17:56] <Kilos> yay
[17:57] <Kilos> then we have to find something to fix config files
[17:57] <Langjan> Het jy geweet daar was 'n klompie Engelsmans by die slag van Bloedrivier?
[17:57] <Langjan> By die boere...
[17:58] <Kilos> daar is goeie engelse
[17:58] <Langjan> en bliksems vir boere
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> almal het goeies en slegtes
[17:59] <Langjan> amen
[18:00] <Langjan> same problem Kilos
[18:00] <Langjan> sorry to say
[18:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:00] <Kilos> wat is on there you want to save
[18:01] <Langjan> grub gives advanced options recovery mode, rying tht
[18:01] <Kilos> ok
[18:01] <Langjan> recovery menu - which option?
[18:01] <Kilos> what are the options
[18:02] <Kilos> fsck somewhere
[18:02] <Langjan> sorry, eskom loadshed, see you later, running on UPS
[18:02] <Kilos> ok
[18:04] <Kilos> ai! die eskom darem
[18:04] <Kilos> naand inetpro
[18:07] <pieter2627> Kilos: am now checking the site for spelling - on the join us page, how is the second paragraph (ending) suppose to read?
[18:07] <Langjan>  rebooted and working fine, many many thks to Pieter also, slaap lekker. Als nou reg hierdie kant behalwe eskom
[18:07] <Kilos> let me see
[18:08] <Kilos> kom sien ons more oompie
[18:08] <Langjan> Ne ema se net drie hoeras
[18:08] <Langjan> als werk reg
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> mooi
[18:08] <pieter2627> np Langjan, lekker slaap vir oom ook
[18:08] <Langjan> slaap lekker en baie dankies
[18:08] <Kilos> plesier
[18:08] <Langjan> dankie pieter2627 jyook
[18:08] <Kilos> kom enige tyd weer
[18:08] <Langjan> en dankie vir al die hulp.ardeer baie
[18:09] <Langjan> waardeer
[18:09] <Kilos> thats  why we are here
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:10] <pieter2627> lol
[18:11] <Kilos> a lot of meaning to your life.
[18:11] <Jacques_Stry> And i'm in the dark :)
[18:11] <Kilos> should be add a lot of meaning to your life.
[18:11] <Kilos> aw Jacques_Stry
[18:11] <Jacques_Stry> Ah well knew we were going off
[18:11] <pieter2627> thought so - just wanted to confirm, thanks
[18:12] <Kilos> i love helping others even when i do it wrong
[18:12] <Kilos> i know there are brains that will back me up and correct my mistakes
[18:12] <Jacques_Stry> Nee oom het goed gedoen daar
[18:12] <pieter2627> Luckely two falses are true :P
[18:13] <pieter2627> ja heeltemal self reg gemaak
[18:13] <Kilos> ja maar ek moes eers die broken packages  reg gemaak het
[18:13] <Kilos> ek het sy epos te laat gelees
[18:13] <pieter2627> reg is reg...
[18:15] <Kilos> ek sukkel net as ek nie unity voor my het nie
[18:21] <gremble> Good evening
[18:22]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[18:22] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:22] <pieter2627> evenong gremble
[18:22] <pieter2627> evening*
[18:22] <Kilos> you are way to scarce man you need to finish them studies
[18:23] <gremble> I do
[18:23] <pieter2627> Kilos: on the same page; list on bottom; second item. just want to check it too
[18:23] <Kilos> ok
[18:23] <gremble> I also need to find a part time job that means something more than a sales clerk at exclusive books
[18:23] <gremble> :P
[18:24] <Kilos> daai how can i help lys?
[18:25] <Kilos> whew gremble  good luck with that
[18:25] <gremble> thank you
[18:25] <gremble> how are things going here?
[18:25] <pieter2627> uh, oo ja daai een
[18:25] <Kilos> we are so busy feet dont touch the ground
[18:26] <Kilos> pieter2627  dit lyk reg vir my
[18:27] <Kilos> when last were you here gremble
[18:27] <Kilos> our africa site has launched
[18:27] <gremble> When you told inetpro to find all the old people that used to hang out here
[18:27] <gremble> and then I made my page on the ubuntu wiki
[18:27] <Kilos> sjoe when was that
[18:27] <gremble> week or so ago I think
[18:28] <Kilos> before or after site launch
[18:28] <magespawn> good evening
[18:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:28] <gremble> Hey magespawn
[18:28] <gremble> I have no idea
[18:28] <magespawn> anybody know about regualar expressions?
[18:28] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info hit refresh a few times on first page
[18:29] <Kilos> whats that magespawn
[18:29] <MaNI> sure, what about them?
[18:29] <pieter2627> 'and helping people use it` feels like it needs something like `helping people to use it` or `helping people who are using it`?
[18:29] <gremble> regular expressions are turing complete and you cannot validate a regular expression with a regular expression because of the halting problem
[18:29] <gremble> I have never used them much in a programming environment though
[18:29] <magespawn> can you use the . twice or more in a search?
[18:29] <MaNI> sure
[18:29] <magespawn> as in a..2 ?
[18:29] <pieter2627> evening magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> helping people who are having problems using it
[18:30] <magespawn> now that is cool
[18:30] <magespawn> hi pieter2627
[18:30] <magespawn> thanks MaNI
[18:30] <Kilos> in place of it put ubuntu
[18:31] <MaNI> can use it as many times as you want though you may find {m, n} better for that
[18:31] <Kilos> or even helping people who are learning to use ubuntu
[18:31] <pieter2627> magespawn: a fun site to test regex http://regexr.com/
[18:32] <magespawn> thank you pieter2627
[18:32] <MaNI> there is also a quite big dedicated channel for it here on freenode somewhere - #regex I think
[18:32] <pieter2627> Kilos: `and by helping new and old to use Ubuntu`
[18:33] <Kilos> add efficiently
[18:33] <Kilos> superfly  help
[18:33] <magespawn> MaNI: i will see what i can dig up
[18:33] <superfly> huh?
[18:34] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info/join-us.html
[18:34] <Kilos> last list
[18:34] <pieter2627> * to use ubuntu efficiently?
[18:34] <Kilos> ya that can work
[18:34] <Kilos> helping new and old to use ubuntu efficiently
[18:34] <pieter2627> will also make it a new seperate item?
[18:35] <Kilos> oh i also had another idea with the site
[18:35] <Kilos> can we somehow add a welcome in french and swahili
[18:36] <Kilos> i can get the french translated but havent found swahili peeps yet
[18:36] <pieter2627> we should be able to
[18:36] <Kilos> there are over 3000 languages in africa
[18:36] <magespawn> google translate?
[18:36] <pieter2627> can't we use google translate for now
[18:37] <Kilos> no magespawn  much better to get proper translater
[18:37] <Kilos> if we are going to make a translation lets do it right
[18:37] <Kilos> google makes mistakes
[18:38] <Kilos> maybe leave swahili out
[18:38] <Kilos> elacheche  will do the french
[18:38] <Kilos> or we can ask melodie when she appears again
[18:39] <Kilos> the translations can wait atm i think
[18:42] <Kilos> pieter2627  try good translate with i would really like to visit your domain
[18:42] <Kilos> into afrikaans
[18:43] <Kilos> now it will most likely get it right
[18:43] <Kilos> it works fine with one word
[18:44] <pieter2627> good translate?? (i should translate 'i would...' with it)
[18:45] <Kilos> nee man it messed up a german translation the other day
[18:46] <pieter2627> 'ek wil regtig graag jou domein te besoek` with google translate
[18:46] <magespawn> are you planning to load different languages based on who visits ths site?
[18:46] <Kilos> dont forget we are translating to a language we dont know so better to get peeps that speak the language to do it
[18:46] <Kilos> sien dis verkeerd
[18:46] <pieter2627> oky
[18:46] <Kilos> magespawn  maybe a link or something to language choice
[18:47] <magespawn> you can have the site autodetect it based on the os and browser, i think
[18:47] <Kilos> like the drc peeps visited but didnt join till i emailed them in french
[18:48] <Kilos> we dont want to get too involved i think'
[18:48] <Kilos> the simpler the better
[18:49] <magespawn> check with superfly, maybe it is simple to do
[18:49] <Kilos> maybe just a link to a paste somewhere with the greeting in different languages
[18:49] <Kilos> he very busy
[18:49] <superfly> people are mentioning my name and then saying nothing. what do you all want?
[18:49] <Kilos> the trick will be getting good translations
[18:50] <Kilos> superfly  we are discussing adding differnet languages to the site
[18:50] <magespawn> superfly: how difficult is it to have ubuntu-africa in mutiple languages from a programming point of view?
[18:50] <superfly> ah
[18:50] <superfly> it's possible
[18:50] <Kilos> but you havent got time to scroll back
[18:50] <superfly> nikola supports translation
[18:51]  * pieter2627 is now beginning to like nikola :)
[18:51] <Kilos> like mali joined but only understand french
[18:51] <Kilos> luckily i got elacheche  involved
[18:52] <magespawn> could you use nikola to translate the site?
[18:52] <Kilos> but i havent found other translaters other than melodie
[18:53] <Kilos> not yet anyway
[18:56] <Kilos> hi drazoro
[18:56] <superfly> I haven't looked into exactly how to do it, but I know that it's mentioned in the config file, so take a look at the documentation
[18:58] <magespawn> i will see what i can find
[18:58] <drazoro> Kilos, Greetings
[18:58] <magespawn> Kilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression more reading i know
[18:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:59] <Kilos> nono man dont give me programming stuff to read
[18:59] <Kilos> i have enought probs hiding form the boss man
[19:00] <magespawn> no this is just general bacground fyi stuff
[19:00] <pieter2627> Kilos: where is that `africa(n)` spelling issue - found a lot of others but not it
[19:00] <magespawn> and this is usful
[19:00] <Kilos> near the beginning
[19:00] <pieter2627> that s/org/sub/ is the basic of regular expressions
[19:01] <pieter2627> beginning of which page?
[19:01] <Kilos> wait man ive even lost it too
[19:01] <pieter2627> haha ok
[19:03] <magespawn> i now now what grep stands for
[19:03] <magespawn> know
[19:04] <Kilos> its somewhere where it talks about ubuntu and kubuntu a more tradition/al system
[19:04] <Kilos> ive  lost it now
[19:05] <Kilos> get ubuntu maybe
[19:05] <Kilos> no today it looks different
[19:06] <Kilos> lets start at the very beginning
[19:06] <pieter2627> get ubuntu: step 1: kubuntu
[19:06] <Kilos> a very good place to start
[19:06] <Kilos> no it was an all in one story
[19:06] <Kilos> like a paragraph
[19:07] <pieter2627> 'is a more tradition user interface' should be traditional
[19:08] <Kilos> why does the first learn more go to 15.05
[19:08] <Kilos> how did that happen
[19:08] <Kilos> yaya you got it
[19:09] <Kilos> good man
[19:09] <Kilos> where did you find that
[19:11] <Kilos> im sure the site is picking up stuff from somehwere else
[19:12] <superfly> magespawn: it's often called "i18n" - internationalization
[19:12] <superfly> an "i", 18 letters, and an "n"
[19:15] <pieter2627> Kilos: Get Ubuntu page; Step 1 section; kubuntu description
[19:16] <Kilos> oh ya ty
[19:16] <Kilos> i think the chick with the 15.04 lappy might be a mistake
[19:16] <Kilos> 15.10 it has to change
[19:17] <Kilos> then 16.04 again
[19:17] <pieter2627> ??
[19:17] <Kilos> oh i see
[19:17] <Kilos> what is ubuntu goes to another link
[19:18] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu.com
[19:18] <Kilos> or is that only mine
[19:20] <pieter2627> mine does too
[19:21] <Kilos> yay then ubuntu must keep that up to date
[19:22] <pieter2627> does edits are up at https://code.launchpad.net/~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/layout-edit_Spelling-
[19:22] <Kilos> nee man
[19:22] <Kilos> jy moet branch maak van trunk
[19:22] <pieter2627> s/does/those/
[19:23] <Kilos> ons moet so min as moontlik werk vir vlieg gee
[19:23] <pieter2627> daai is van trunk?
[19:25] <pieter2627> ek het ge `bzr branch trunk layout-edit...`
[19:25] <Kilos> o is dit nie ubuntu-africa/trunk en dan ander branch nie
[19:25] <Kilos> oi nou vloek jy my
[19:25] <pieter2627> het het cd na binne die ubuntu-africa dir
[19:26] <Kilos> ok ons sal hoor wat se vlieg
[19:26] <Kilos> anyway ek val amper van stoel af hier
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:43] <melodie> hello
[20:22] <melodie> good night
[21:09] <smile> Slaapwel :)


[07:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:08] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[07:18] <brobostigon> morning zmoylan-pi
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:22] <brobostigon> :)
[07:32] <halt2> hi all, I made a huge mess with my laptop, and working on it now, I resolved quite a lot already, but now I'm stuck a bit, so i have an encrypted lvm volumes, and I managed to delete all my kernel version, so I reinstalled the kernel and updated the grub, but the grub can't mount the root lvm volume due to the encryption, how should i edit the boot options to ask for the unencryption ?
[07:33] <halt2> btw i did the kernel re-installation with a live usb disk and chroot
[09:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:21] <bashrc> morning
[11:30] <penguin42> oh that's a fun spam, I wonder what they do with it.  It's an html attachment that's a copy of a form from BT's website with just a shange in the form action to another site
[11:49] <popey> morning
[11:50] <penguin42> hey popey
[11:51]  * popey is cooking some spicy potato wedges
[11:51]  * penguin42 has just had breakfast
[11:53] <popey> got some left over stuff in the fridge
[11:53] <popey> thinking of cooking it all up and freezing for later
[11:58] <brobostigon> :)
[12:28] <czajkowski> craack some eggs into the potatoes
[12:28] <czajkowski> yummy
[14:29] <mappps> hello;
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> hi
[16:11] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/tomdale/status/601930842726772736
[16:11] <diddledan> windows 10 seems busted today
[16:44] <directhex> diddledan: fine here. i hear it's broken on radeons
[16:44] <diddledan> directhex: build 10122 with an updated applied last night?
[16:47] <directhex> oh, just 10122
[16:48] <diddledan> I can't work out what update installed last night but when I turned-on today it said "updates were installed" and now I can't get any modern app to stay open more than one second (including the start menu and cortana)
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: nice
[16:50] <diddledan> makes a very useful brick tho
[16:50] <directhex> in fairness modern apps were super fragile for me on 8 and 8.1 too
[16:50] <directhex> just use the issue reporter! it's a nice modern app in the default start menu!
[16:50] <diddledan> err
[16:51] <diddledan> yeah. 1) no start menu. 2) the reporter app won't stay open long enough to report anything
[17:26] <brobostigon> if your in town tonight, beware, the brobostigon'ator and his gf are painting the town red, lolz 2.1.1
[17:27] <brobostigon> sorry.
[17:49] <directhex> i remember going out in the evening. before we had a toddler.
[17:55] <popey> haha
[17:55] <popey> we're just getting to the point where Sophie can babysit
[17:55] <popey> soon
[20:26] <diddledan> who's eurovisioning?
[20:27] <diddledan> I'm wondering when conchita is gonna sing
[20:27] <popey> o/
[20:27] <intrbiz_cr> o/
[20:27] <popey> she briefly did at the start
[20:27] <diddledan> yeah
[20:27] <diddledan> not the awesome song from last year tho
[21:25] <intrbiz_cr> well the interval music is the best act, can I vote for that
[21:34] <diddledan> intrbiz_cr: yeah I thought that too - it was epic
[21:34] <diddledan> I liked the russian tho
[21:34] <diddledan> sorry about the delay - we're having issues witht the internet here at my parents
[21:35] <diddledan> bt fttp
[21:37] <intrbiz_cr> hehe
[21:37] <intrbiz_cr> my internet keeps crapping out too
[21:45] <intrbiz_cr> I wonder what impact eurovision has on european internet links
[21:54] <penguin42> intrbiz_cr: You mean the sudden peak in access to everything else?
[21:54] <intrbiz_cr> hehe
[22:57] <penguin42> http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/kitchen-appliances/tefal-toast-n-egg-toaster/11074447.html      that's probably pretty good
[23:04] <intrbiz_cr> penguin42: but is it a talky toaster
[23:05]  * zmoylan-pi hands intrbiz_cr a hammer and waits for the talkie toaster to be dealt with...
[23:05] <intrbiz_cr> :)
[23:06] <penguin42> intrbiz_cr: It doesn't seem to offer the option to chop the toast into soldiers for the eggs
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> they'll try flogging robots with genuine people personalities next!!
[23:07] <intrbiz_cr> but can they master ambivelance
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> meh... :-P
[23:13] <popey> penguin42: it is not dualit therefore it is not the one true toaster
[23:14] <penguin42> popey: You've not got a dualit have you?
[23:18] <penguin42> our toaster must be about 20 years old, isn't a dualit, but still works pretty well
[23:18] <penguin42> after a repacement knob was put on since it's down lever broke


[04:27] <guiverc> repeat: can I get 2nd for fridge posts 18.04.5 & 16.04.7 ^
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[06:09] <guiverc> I'm still after ^  approval of fridge posts 18.04.5 & 16.04.7
[06:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I no Fridge - so no can 2nd :(
[06:10] <guiverc> yeah I know Bashing-om, but thanks
[06:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: But at least I do watch yer back side when I can :P
[06:43] <guiverc> :)
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[09:55] <guiverc> krytarik, can you please approve 18.04.5 & 16.04.7 fridge posts :)
[09:57] <krytarik> guiverc: Yeah, sure!  Sorry, wasn't around during the night..
[09:58] <guiverc> yep. guessed/understood that
[09:58] <guiverc> & thanks :)
[10:07] <guiverc> Sorry, am i to wait for you to look, or just go ahead krytarik
[10:10] <krytarik> No, can't look right now, just go ahead and I'll look later..
[10:11] <guiverc> thanks krytarik , appreciated & sorry for pushing..
[10:11] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/08/14/ubuntu-18-04-5-lts-released/
[10:11] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/08/14/ubuntu-16-04-7-lts-released/
[10:39] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/08/14/ubuntu-18-04-5-lts-released/
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[12:46] <krytarik> guiverc: Look good, thanks!
[12:46] <guiverc> :)   Thanks krytarik
[18:19] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS Released with Linux Kernel 5.4 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/08/ubuntu-18-04-5-lts-released-with-linux-kernel-5-4 (by Joey Sneddon)
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[23:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/08/14/ubuntu-16-04-7-lts-released/ (by guiverc)


[16:23]  * persia  will be giving a special packaging lesson on how to package scripts, webapps, and firmware installers in #ubuntu-classroom starting at 15:30 UTC today.
[16:30] <persia> Welcome to the special session on packaging scripts, webapps, firmware installers, and other things without code.
[16:31] <persia> First off, let's take a quick attendance.  Please indicate your presence.
[16:31]  * sebner hugs persia =)
[16:31]  * Iulian waves
[16:31] <mok0> here
[16:31] <albert23> +1
[16:31] <schmiedc> here
[16:32]  * ssweeny coughs
[16:32] <persia> Great.  We've passed the quorum of 5 active students :)
[16:33] <sebner> persia: what if there would be less?
[16:33] <lukehasnoname> >_>
[16:33] <persia> So, this is about packaging those special types of package that don't have any source.
[16:33] <persia> sebner: I'd reschedule.
[16:33] <sebner> persia: kk
[16:33] <persia> The important thing to consider is how the typical meanings of "source package" and "binary package" apply in these cases.
[16:34] <amikrop> Hello. I will be away, but logging.
[16:34] <persia> There typically isn't anything to compile, and you just want to put the files on the target system.
[16:34] <persia> So, at a high level, a "source" package is the set of files that is used to edit and maintain a package.
[16:34] <persia> A "binary" package is the set of files that get installed on a user system.
[16:35] <persia> Even where most of the files are the same, it is useful to maintain this distinction, because there may be some files (README, COPYING, etc.) that don't need to be installed on a user system.
[16:35] <persia> Also, there may be special configuration changes that need to be applied to a user system, but which are not required for development.
[16:36] <persia> By keeping separate source and binary packages, it becomes very easy to separate these files into the appropriate places, and improves the experience for both users and developers.
[16:36] <persia> This is true even though the binary package may not have any actual binaries.
[16:38] <persia> As an example, we're going to package the very simple script from http://paste.ubuntu.com/16605/
[16:38] <persia> Now, the first thing to notice is that upstream didn't license this script properly, so we need to ask upstream for a license.
[16:39] <mok0> so, see you next week?
[16:40] <sebner> lol
[16:40] <persia> (three months pass)
[16:40] <persia> So upstream finally provides http://paste.ubuntu.com/16607/
[16:40] <persia> This, we can package.
[16:40] <persia> as upstream just sent us the script in a pastebin, we'll need to create an orig.tar.gz ourselves.
[16:41] <persia> So we create a directory hello-host-0.1
[16:41] <persia> And we copy the script into the directory, and call it hello-host.
[16:41] <persia> We then tar and compress the directory, and get hello-host-0.1.tar.gz
[16:42] <persia> This needs to be renamed to hello-host_0.1.orig.tar.gz.
[16:42] <persia> After we have the orig.tar.gz, we can start the packaging.
[16:42] <persia> First, we'll create a debian/ directory.
[16:42] <persia> Our first target will be copyright.
[16:43] <persia> This needs to include information about the package license.
[16:43] <persia> As this package doesn't have a homepage, we can get away with something simple.
[16:46] <persia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16608/
[16:46] <persia> (Note that those preferring machine-readable debian/copyright are welcome to do it that way)
[16:46] <persia> (in fact, if someone wants to draft that, and post for the rest of the class, it would be appreciated)
[16:47] <persia> Next, we'll need a debian/control.  This is again fairly simple.  Just use the minimum information.
[16:47] <persia> I recommend using CDBS for this type of package, only because it means less typing, although those familiar with debhelper 7 may find that as easy a choice.
[16:48] <mok0> aie
[16:49] <persia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16609/ is a quick debian/control for our package.
[16:49] <persia> Note that because it's just scripts, and we're not using any special handlers, we have to set all the Dependencies manually.
[16:49] <persia> In this case, it's a bash script, so we depend on bash.
[16:50] <sebner> persia: is that necessary?
[16:51] <mok0> bash is in the minimal installation
[16:51] <persia> sebner: I'm actually not sure.  I know bash is no longer the default /bin/sh, but I don't know if it is still Priority: Essential.
[16:51] <mok0> ok
[16:51] <persia> For something like a PHP script, it is much more important.
[16:51] <sebner> ok
[16:52] <mok0> we can convert it php later :-)
[16:52] <mok0> to php
[16:52] <persia> mok0: Right :)
[16:52] <persia> So, for this example, I'm using CDBS, so debian/rules looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/16610/
[16:53] <persia> I use this mostly because I don't want to think about it, and will use the implied debhelper calls for most things.
[16:53] <persia> Now comes the important part: this needs to be installed somewhere.
[16:53] <persia> This is handled by the implied call to dh_install.
[16:54] <persia> We create a debian/install file that specifies where the files go.  Our example is http://paste.ubuntu.com/16611/
[16:54] <persia> Now this directory doesn't exist yet, so we need a debian/dirs to create it (http://paste.ubuntu.com/16612/)
[16:55] <persia> OOps.  I made a mistake with debian/install.  It should really have been http://paste.ubuntu.com/16613/
[16:55] <persia> It is important not to have the leading / to make sure that it installs in the package, instead of the developer's system.
[16:56] <persia> Now we have a package that installs the scripts into the right places, and has all the necessary bits to make a good package.
[16:57] <persia> There are still a couple pieces missing: we probably want to create a manual page, as otherwise lintian will complain, and we'll never get it past REVU.
[16:58] <persia> If we're packaging a firmware installer, or something that needs to initialise a database, we might want to do something with debconf or maintainer scripts.
[16:58] <persia> And so on.
[16:58] <persia> Now, any questions?
[16:59] <sebner> not yet =)
[17:01] <sebner> *silence*
[17:01] <persia> OK.  If there are no questions, I presume that you all are prepared to package random bash scripts, quick python bits, and so on.
[17:02] <sebner> persia: that was it?
[17:02] <persia> If you get as far as trying to package an entire Ruby-on-Rails application, don't forget to install the necessary integration hooks for the webservers, and handle the DB startup and cleanup in the maintainer scripts.
[17:02] <persia> sebner: Yep.  Packaging scripts is pretty easy.  Once the files are installed in the right place, the user is typically happy.
[17:03] <sebner> great
[17:03]  * sebner hugs persia :)
[17:03] <schmiedc> so but how do i know what i have to write in the certain scripts
[17:03] <persia> The really tricky bit is understanding the difference between a "source" package and a "binary" package when the "binary" package looks like it contains source.
[17:03] <persia> schmiedc: Which scripts?
[17:04] <schmiedc> for example the debian/control
[17:04] <persia> schmiedc: OK.  We created debian/copyright, debian/control, debian/rules, debian/changelog, and debian/install.
[17:05] <persia> debian/rules can almost always be just the two lines for script packages.
[17:05] <persia> debian/install is set up based on where the files need to end up.  This is usually available in the upstream documentation.
[17:05] <persia> Oh, and I forgot about debian/dirs.
[17:06] <persia> debian/dirs needs to include all the directories used in debian/install.
[17:06] <persia> debian/changelog is best created with dch --create
[17:07] <persia> debian/copyright is often just a quick summary of: who packaged it and when, the authors, the copyright holders, the upstream license, and the packaging license.
[17:07] <persia> debian/control is a bit trickier.  Let's look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/16609/ carefully.
[17:07] <persia> There are two stanzas, the source stanza and the binary stanza
[17:08] <persia> The source stanza describes the source package, and the binary stanza the binary package.
[17:08] <persia> For the source stanza, you need to set the Source: header to be the name of the package.
[17:08] <persia> The Section header should match one of the package sections
[17:08]  * persia digs for the URL
[17:09] <persia> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[17:09] <persia> Priority is almost always "optional" for new packages, although it can be "extra" if it breaks something (try not to do this)
[17:09] <persia> The Maintainer is the person responsible for the package.
[17:10] <persia> Build-Depends should be "cdbs": you shouldn't need anything else for a simple scripts package.
[17:10] <albert23> should debhelper be added?
[17:10] <persia> Standards-Version: should match whatever the current standards are when you package it.
[17:11] <persia> albert23: It's not required, as cdbs depends on debhelper.
[17:11] <albert23> lintian complained
[17:11] <persia> If you use a feature from a newer debhelper than the version depended upon by CDBS, you can add a versioned depends.
[17:12] <persia> albert23: You remind me, it's a good idea to add a debian/compat file containing any of "5", "6", or "7".
[17:12] <albert23> that was the other lintian complaint indeed
[17:12] <persia> In which case, you want to add "debhelper (>= 5)" (or 6 or 7) to your Build-Depends.
[17:12] <persia> albert23: Thanks for checking :)
[17:13] <persia> Now, for the binary stanza, we again have the package name
[17:13] <persia> scripts are always Architecture: all
[17:14] <persia> As mentioned previously, you need to manually set the Depends: depending on what the scripts require.  I tend to always include ${misc:Depends} just in case some of the CDBS magic requires something.
[17:14] <persia> And the Description is as normal.
[17:14] <persia> more information about writing control files is available from http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html
[17:14] <schmiedc> ok thxc
[17:14] <persia> schmiedc: Does that answer it?
[17:15] <schmiedc> but architecture would be i368 and so on or?
[17:15] <schmiedc> yes
[17:15] <schmiedc> the thing is that i concider about getting involved
[17:15] <schmiedc> and haven't done any work yet
[17:15] <persia> schmiedc: No point.  As these are just scripts, it ought be architecture: all.  That way they can work for anyone, regardless of their architecture (as long as they meet the Depends)
[17:16] <persia> Any other questions?
[17:16] <schmiedc> yes but for other packages
[17:16] <sebner> schmiedc: #ubuntu-motu ;)
[17:16] <persia> schmiedc: Oh, sure, for non-script packages, you might need to set architectures.  "any" is a good choice.
[17:16] <schmiedc> am there ..
[17:17] <schmiedc> ok
[17:18] <persia> Any other questions?  Iulian?
[17:18] <schmiedc> not yet ..
[17:18] <persia> ssweeny:?
[17:18] <mok0> I think, for consistency, it is better to name install and dirs -> <package>.install and <package>.dirs
[17:18] <schmiedc> when should the next lesson take place?
[17:19] <persia> mok0: It works either way, but sure.
[17:19] <schmiedc> or to mention in the beginning to replace debian/ with the packages name
[17:19] <persia> schmiedc: I tend to do ad-hoc lessons.  You might check the MOTU School schedule on the wiki.
[17:19] <schmiedc> ok
[17:20] <persia> schmiedc: No, you use debian/$(pacakgename).install and debian/$(packagename).dirs, etc.
[17:20] <schmiedc> ok
[17:20] <mok0> schmiedc: debian/ is sacred
[17:22] <schmiedc> where is a good place to look for simple upstreams to play with?
[17:23] <persia> schmiedc: http://bashscripts.org/ has heaps of samples, although many are not suitable for packaging
[17:23] <schmiedc> ok
[17:24] <persia> http://www.scripts.com/ has some python and perl (but be careful, some of these may be more than scripts)
[17:25] <schmiedc> ok thx
[17:25] <schmiedc> should be enought for today
[17:25] <persia> On the other hand, aside from experimentation (for which variations on hello-host work just fine), you'd do best to wait until you found something so useful you didn't know how you worked without it before packaging it for general release.
[17:25] <schmiedc> have to do something for school
[17:25]  * persia rings the 300 second bell
[17:26] <persia> Any last questions?
[17:27] <schmiedc> so you mean i should beginn straight with packaging for releases?
[17:27] <mok0> schmiedc: you can create a PPA on launchpad
[17:27] <persia> schmiedc: If you have something worthwhile to package, why not?
[17:27] <schmiedc> PPAA?
[17:28] <schmiedc> PPA*
[17:29] <persia> Thanks to everyone for attending, even with the short notice.  Good luck with your script packaging, and don't hesitate to ask in #ubuntu-motu if you have any further questions.
[17:29] <schmiedc> whats PPA?
[17:29] <albert23> thanks persia
[17:29] <schmiedc> thanks
[17:29] <mok0> schmiedc: personal package archive
[17:30] <schmiedc> where do i create one?
[17:30] <mok0> schmiedc: on Launchpad.net
[17:30] <schmiedc> have an account ..
[17:30] <schmiedc> oh here
[17:30] <schmiedc> found it :)
[17:30] <mok0> schmiedc: :-)
[17:30] <mok0> schmiedc: you upload a "source package"
[17:31] <mok0> schmiedc: it compiles and publishes it for you
[17:31] <schmiedc> nice
[17:31] <mok0> schmiedc: yes, really cool
[17:31] <persia> (or if it's a script, it organises it for user-release and publishes it for you)
[17:31] <mok0> schmiedc: so you can distribute apt-get'able software
[17:32] <sebner> persia: overtime ^^
[17:33] <persia> sebner: Yeah, well.  Give me an apple!
[17:33] <schmiedc> gg
[17:34] <mok0> sebner: give persia a Mac
[17:34] <sebner> rofl rofl rofl
[17:39] <Iulian> Ahh
[21:36] <Anon234> d