 Better to solve stuff with a few functions and variables, and keep the work to a few lines of code, rather than pages
[00:20] <zequence> Was it me who added that task? I'm thinking yes
[00:21] <zequence> Anyway, we know what the important stuff is for this release.
[00:24] <zequence> I started a new theme. Same ide, but a different pattern in the background
[00:24] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme
[00:25] <zequence> Just getting the light right is a big hazzle. Need to try make this monitor as neutral as possible
[00:31] <len-1304> Fixing wrong placement in the menu can just a easily mean fixing the source desktop file.
[00:31] <len-1304> In fact we should reword the BP item that way.
[00:32] <len-1304> We should start with the applications we ship and starting at the SW author ask to change it... with a patch they can use.
[00:33] <len-1304> I just sent email to Sean about Hexter today with regard to that.
[00:34] <len-1304> I don't think he includes one, but I want to make sure. (I couldn't find it in his source)
[00:34] <len-1304> The hexter desktop file is broken. We fix it in settings, but I want to move the fix upstream.
[00:35] <zequence> The desktop files definitely matter the most, I think
[00:36] <len-1304> Its going to be a one at a time thing, but worth it I think.
[00:37] <zequence> absolutely. After all, they don't only end up as entries in the Ubuntu Studio menu (since not everyone are using it)
[01:23] <zequence> I'm pretty happy with this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=rock-grey.png
[01:23] <zequence> Got some ideas from what Scott talked about.
[01:23] <zequence> And the light should be good now
[01:36] <len-1304> What happens 0on a small screen does the cof shrink to tiny?
[01:37]  * len-1304 shrugs,
[01:37] <len-1304> I figure most people will have high rez monitors
[01:37] <len-1304> those like me with a net book are used to small graphics already :)
[01:38] <len-1304> I would be happy with that too.
[01:38] <len-1304> Though to be honest it looks more like leather than rock.
[01:39] <len-1304> Like the stuff my amp is covered with :)
[01:39] <zequence> It's called egg shell
[01:39] <zequence> The pattern
[01:39] <len-1304> It works fine.
[01:40] <zequence> I think the image is just scaled to whatever monitor you have. And zoomed if it's not the right ratio
[01:41] <zequence> I think it works great, but the only detail I'm not sure about is the color hue.
[01:41] <len-1304> Even at half size if zoomed/shrunk to fit the netbook, it will still look good.
[01:41] <zequence> It doesn't fully work with the US desktop right now
[01:42] <zequence> It has a lot of detail, yes. Looks good even when you get really close
[01:42] <zequence> I'm using a 1920x1080 HD TV as monitor. The wallpaper is scaled down
[01:43] <zequence> The icon is better now too
[01:44] <zequence> I'll play with the hue a bit tomorrow. After that, i don't think I can do much better
[01:44] <len-1304> Mine is 1680x1050
[01:44] <len-1304> I've put it on my desktop to see how it works
[01:45] <len-1304> to be honest, most of my DT is normally covered with open Apps anyway.
[01:45] <zequence> My windows are usually always maximized
[01:46] <zequence> But, it's still important. You want it to look professional.
[01:46] <zequence> The first impression is important too
[01:46] <len-1304> All it needs is a few half pealed off stickers that say Jamaica or something.
[01:46] <len-1304> Ya it has to have a great first look
[01:46] <len-1304> The sticker is kidding BTW
[01:47] <zequence> The problem now I see is that the XFCE theme doesn't have very complicated coloring, so the wallpaper is not blending in well.
[01:47] <len-1304> In some ways that is good, it means everyhting is visible and not hidden.
[01:48] <zequence> That's if for me this night. See you tomorrow maybe
[01:49] <len-1304> Good night
[01:51] <len-1304> The panel can have the alpha channel turned way down zequence
[03:02] <len-1304> smartboyhw, good morning
[03:03] <smartboyhw> len-1304, hiyas
[03:03] <smartboyhw> len-1304, saw your bug report
[03:03] <len-1304> Take a look at <zequence> I'm pretty happy with this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=rock-grey.png
[03:03] <smartboyhw> Bug 1153032
[03:04] <len-1304> Ya, there are two. The ISO looked pretty good
[03:04] <smartboyhw> len-1304, the slideshow is knome's job I think
[03:04] <smartboyhw> len-1304, the artwork is great
[03:04] <len-1304> zequence has the source too.
[03:04] <len-1304> I put that background on this machine.
[03:05] <smartboyhw> len-1304, then give it to zequence to fix:P
[03:05] <smartboyhw> I will fix the lmms bug first I think
[03:05] <len-1304> I am not sure it still is a bug. There were two releases less than 24hr apart
[03:05] <smartboyhw> len-1304, whoa!?
[03:06] <len-1304> It may have been from getting things mixed because the package list was downloaded mid change.
[03:09] <len-1304> The depends look right to me.
[03:11] <len-1304> there was one at  Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:58:18 -0600 and one at Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:01:25 -0500
[03:12] <smartboyhw> len-1304, uh which one's version was earlier?
[04:04] <len-1304> Actually they are a week apart... my mistake
[04:41] <holstein> !proaudio
[06:14] <len-1304> zequence, and whoever else... I'm off to bed. Re bug 1153032 see my email. If no one else can fix I will do a quick one as per email.
[07:03] <smartboyhw> micahg, ping
[07:20]  * smartboyhw wonders should he fix the slideshow...
[07:20] <smartboyhw> But first of all: The LMMS bug
[07:20] <smartboyhw> Really simple fix
[08:11] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, there is a new slide show being uploaded as I type.
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, ok
[08:13] <Len-nb> it will be lp:~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[08:14] <Len-nb> if people think its ok I can do a merge request.
[08:23] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, em I can't branch it
[08:23] <Len-nb> Not yet
[08:23] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, LOL
[08:23] <Len-nb> This is a slow upload
[08:23] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, fixed the LMMS bug. Waiting for somebody to review.
[08:25] <Len-nb> Great.
[08:27] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, it turns out it is just a missing > :P
[08:27] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, tell me when it is uploaded
[08:27] <smartboyhw> it = the slideshow
[08:27] <Len-nb> Its at 16M out of 55M
[08:28] <Len-nb> best I can tell
[08:28] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, ok
[08:28] <smartboyhw> Some of the people leaving Ubuntu set up a #ubuntu-expat channel at OFTC (LOL)
[09:46] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, how much MB have you uploaded to the bzr branch?
[11:44] <zequence> len-1304: The wallpaper looked weird on your desktop. It wasn't centered or anything
[11:45] <zequence> Also, it's not 100% done yet
[11:45] <zequence> I haven't yet fixed the logo exactly in the middle
[11:45] <zequence> And I want to change the hue
[12:58] <zequence> These two work really well I think. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme
[13:09] <zequence> But I'm not sure if the ration and size is the best.
[13:16]  * smartboyhw claps for zequence
[13:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, however do we need to wait for ScottL to pick the wallpaper or?
[13:18] <smartboyhw> After all he's the one organizing the artworks
[13:38] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think we can just go ahead. We'll just be chaning the wallpaper for now. And it's only for this release
[13:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh ok
[13:39] <zequence> For the future, we need to put more effort on the artwork, and have a look at all that is included
[13:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, so do we want to do the change today?
[13:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntustudio-meta-testing what is this?
[13:40]  * smartboyhw wonders why it's bold
[13:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: That was just a temporary PPA for testing the meta when I was changing it
[13:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh
[13:43] <zequence> I think it would be good if we could have any changes in before bet1
[13:43] <zequence> beta1*
[13:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, /me is surprised that len-1304 isn't in the LP US Testing team...
[13:44]  * smartboyhw adds it in
[13:44] <smartboyhw> s/it/him/
[13:44] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "adds him in"
[13:53] <zequence> I'm looking through the web if I can find some good looking ones
[13:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Oh no our dear old astraljava went bye
[14:11] <zequence> I updated my Ubuntu development install yesterday. Icons and wallpaper management broke
[14:12] <zequence> Sorry, Ubuntu Studio dev install
[14:12] <zequence> I wouldn't recommend anyone to upgrade between releases
[14:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh hum we are supposed to test it......
[14:13] <smartboyhw> For Beta 1
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Or do we simply remove them!?
[14:27] <zequence> Perfectly alright to test
[14:27] <zequence> And it may even succeed. Doesn't mean it's something we should recommend
[14:27] <zequence> If it doesn't we should fix it of course
[14:28] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:05] <len-1304> zequence, I did this more as a backup in case no one else got to it.
[15:06] <zequence> len-1304: Ok. What kind of resolution do you have on that desktop?
[15:07] <zequence> btw, Debian is going through their annual Project Lead Elections http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/03/msg00003.html
[15:07] <zequence> The first name of that list (doesn't seem willing to become project lead) http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/platforms/algernon
[15:07] <zequence> Ah, that was 2004
[15:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL
[15:08] <zequence> Sorry :)
[15:08] <zequence> Maybe he's more willing now, 9 years later
[15:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[15:10] <len-1304> I used the same rez as the old one. I off centered the COF because I thought it was only showing the top left corner of the desk.
[15:11] <len-1304> I realized you might change the hue, but because I was only using the center of it... the whole thig looks a lot lighter
[15:11] <zequence> len-1304: No, I mean, what resolution do you have for your screen :) ?
[15:11] <len-1304> My screen? 1680x1050
[15:12] <len-1304> Or the screen on the slide? 450X410
[15:12] <zequence> I'm just wondering how the wallpaper got to be so zoomed in
[15:12] <len-1304> It is not zoomed or shrunk , I just cropped to fit.
[15:13] <len-1304> I left it that way on purpose because I felt for the slide it shows nothing else.
[15:14] <zequence> Ok, I see what you were thinking there. It looks a bit weird to me though
[15:14] <zequence> I think either just do something else, or use a normal look
[15:14] <len-1304> Scott did the same thing last time, but then the whole thing was bigger to begin with
[15:14] <zequence> I mean, a normal, default zoom/ration
[15:15] <zequence> Did we have a shot at the menu, let me look..
[15:15] <len-1304> all I did was keep the top panel and add the bottom
[15:16] <len-1304> Basically so long as the resulting image is 450x410 it'll work
[15:16] <zequence> I think we should make a shot to show the menu instead
[15:17] <zequence> The detail in the wallpaper doesn't matter IMO. It's just a shot of the desktop
[15:17] <zequence> And the menu is worth showcasing
[15:17] <len-1304> No problem. If you send the message to as an attachment I can drop it in.
[15:18] <len-1304> Add a png as an attachment I meant
[15:18]  * len-1304 was up too late last night...
[15:20] <smartboyhw> len-1304, oh
[15:20] <len-1304> Anyway the other slides are fixed. It is just the one graphic that needs to be done.
[15:23] <len-1304> zequence, how about if I do the menu and panel full size and drop the BG under it centered?
[15:25] <len-1304> zequence, got email back from Sean Bolton. He feels the desktop integration can be done by the packagers. so the Hexter desktop file has been added after somewhere.
[15:27] <len-1304> I'll have a look at the debian package later and see if it is there...
[15:34] <zequence> Let me just calm myself down after attempting to use image paste services, and the one I usually use is hacked, and the rest rely on Java, which I didn't have
[15:35] <len-1304>  :)
[15:45] <len-1304> zequence, for what it's worth, the grey BG ends up more the same shade as the theme bg.
[15:52] <len-1304> zequence, do you want the slide to be zoomed way out? or can I make it pixel for pixel?
[15:53] <len-1304> I think if we are going to ""showcase" the menu it needs to be pixel for pixel or the menu will be too small to really see.
[15:54] <len-1304> I have hovered over the graphics menu item because:
[15:54] <len-1304> I wanted something not audio.
[15:55] <len-1304> we have more graphics people hanging around than any of the others.
[15:59] <zequence> len-1304: I just took a shot of the desktop
[15:59] <zequence> I guess one could take a closeup of the menu instead
[15:59] <zequence> I'd think our main user base are audio users, but doesn't matter to me which menu is displayed
[15:59] <zequence> the audio menu is the most custom
[16:00] <zequence> I see plymoth on my machine, btw
[16:01] <zequence> I think it depends on the graphic card or something
[16:12] <len-1304> I see it too, but I have heard comments from people with band new machines who say it just flashes on and off very quick.
[16:13] <len-1304> I chose the graphics menu because I would like to see us move from being audio centred to covering all the workflows.
[16:13] <len-1304> I would like to attract more people to contribute from other areas.
[16:16] <len-1304> Looking at the menu, It is kinda plain, mostly text on grey.
[16:17] <len-1304> I think using the menu for our first screen is a bad Idea
[16:17] <zequence> Then use a pic the entire desktop
[16:17] <zequence> Was there some problem with keeping the ratio for those slides?
[16:18] <len-1304> zequence, I would like to take the COF from the centre of one of the desktops and expand it so it looks like it is a symbol.
[16:19] <zequence> If you edit the look of the desktop, it won't look like our desktop
[16:19] <zequence> So, if you want to showcase the COF, just showcase the COF
[16:22] <len-1304> That is what I meant
[16:22] <len-1304> !pastebin
[16:23] <zequence> I don't agree that the menu doesn't work though
[16:23] <zequence> It's just a slide show
[16:23] <len-1304> http://imagebin.org/249743
[16:23] <len-1304> I think some thing like this
[16:24] <len-1304> zequence, ^^
[16:24] <zequence> I could redo the wallpaper with a bigger COF.
[16:24] <zequence> It just puts a lot of focus on the wallpaper
[16:25] <zequence> But, I guess that's ok
[16:25] <zequence> That's the old wallpaper, isn't it?
[16:25] <zequence> never mind
[16:28] <len-1304> I am just talking about the first slide
[16:28] <zequence> I know you are
[16:28] <len-1304> If we want to show of the custom menu, we should do a slide that just does that.
[16:29] <len-1304> But the first slide just has to say ubuntu studio
[16:30] <len-1304> I am willing to try to make another slide to show menus
[16:32] <zequence> len-1304: http://imagebin.org/249749
[16:32] <zequence> I think that works just fine
[16:33] <zequence> The slideshow is something the user reads while installing
[16:33] <len-1304> Ok I can use that one.
[16:33] <len-1304> The size will probably work just fine
[16:34] <zequence> The width is ok, but the height shorter, so I'm guessing there should be no problems
[16:34] <len-1304> There is a background behind.
[16:35] <zequence> Are you saying there's a frame which you need to fit perfectly?
[16:35] <len-1304> No
[16:35] <len-1304> I need to try it to see
[16:36] <len-1304> Oh, I have the package on my other computer... Back in a bit
[16:38] <zequence> len-1304: You know how to do it, right? I just had a look at that: ./test-slideshow.sh ubuntustudio
[16:38] <len-1304> Ya, but it is on the other machine
[16:39] <zequence> Looks ok to me
[16:39] <zequence> I prefer the blue wallpaper
[16:39] <zequence> You just need some kind of color
[16:40] <Len-nb> I was going to use what you sent me
[16:40] <Len-nb> I agree
[16:40] <zequence> len-1304: Do you know where the default wallpaper is set up?
[16:40] <zequence> in our source, I mean
[16:41] <zequence> I'm thinking we should just go ahead and do it. If someone disagrees, we can see about changing it between the betas
[16:46] <Len-nb> It will require the change of two packages
[16:46] <Len-nb> I think the image goes in look and the setting is in settings
[16:46] <Len-nb> Do youn
[16:47] <Len-nb> want it in lightdm as well?
[16:47] <zequence> Yes
[16:47] <zequence> But, I think it should be there by default now
[16:47] <zequence> It changes when you change wallpapers
[16:48] <zequence> However, there's some sort of bug there. The default wallpaper flashes just before the new one is loaded
[16:51] <zequence> I'm working on adding the wallpaper to -look
[16:51] <Len-nb> No lightdm is separate
[16:52] <Len-nb> Ok, I can do settings later.
[16:52] <Len-nb> I have updated the slideshow, I will send the merge request later.
[16:52] <Len-nb> I have to go now though I have practice and playing
[16:53] <Len-nb> zequence, ^
[16:54] <Len-nb> zequence, BTW I think anyone can link my branch.
[17:04] <zequence> Len-nb: Have fun
[17:52] <zequence> Len-nb: I updated and prepared for a new release for both packages
[17:53] <zequence> Len-nb: Coudn't find anything related to lightgdm, so if you know something I don't, you'll need to fix that
[17:53] <zequence> I asked the Xubuntu guys, and they tell me it's done from the user account service
[17:53] <zequence> Which would mean setting the default desktop background is enough
[19:07] <zequence> ..but I know there's supposed to be some lightgdm config, just that I can't figure out where in an Ubuntu Studio installation it would be
[20:54] <len-1304> I'll find it. It needs to be set so that it works for sure the first time. I wonder what happens if there is more than one user and they have different wallpapers
[21:06] <len-1304> This might be a useful page for those wanting to do a text install: http://maketecheasier.com/install-a-minimal-ubuntu-on-old-laptop/2012/02/24 An ok tutorial for installing from mini.iso
[21:42] <zequence> micahg: To get our new default wallpaper in, we'd need to get two packages updated. I've prepared them for release, but I would also like to ask you for a quick tip on a workflow, for the future. Not sure we're doing everything right now.
[21:42] <zequence> Here's 1. lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[21:42] <zequence> and 2. lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/UbuntuStudio
[21:42] <zequence> len-1304: btw, I added both wallpapers, but made the blue version default
[21:44] <zequence> micahg: So, basically, I'd like to prepare so that we take care of all of our packages ourselves, to the point where we ask someone to upload it for us. And I'd just like to know what would be the best way to go about, in simple steps, updating the source, and then preparing the package
[21:46] <Len-nb> zequence, there will be three packages :P
[21:47] <zequence> Len-nb: Ah, right. The slides
[21:47] <Len-nb> Plus the lightdm-theme
[21:48] <Len-nb> zequence, I am thinking we should keep a copy of slides in our set of branches
[21:48] <Len-nb> Thing is it would most likey always be out of date
[21:49] <Len-nb> Maybe not such a great idea
[21:49] <zequence> micahg: So, when we make changes, we bzr commit each change separately with a wise commit msg. And when we are ready to release, we prepare the package, but how would be the best way. Really, just a few example commands for a workflow would be enough to give me the idea
[21:49] <zequence> Len-nb: Yeah, we should just have our own packages there
[21:49] <Len-nb> zequence, how do I do a merge  request slideshow?
[21:50] <zequence> Len-nb: Is there a bzr branch for it? I would merge it there. But, one can also just give someone a debdiff I think, and they can update it right away
[21:50] <Len-nb> How do I do that?
[21:51] <Len-nb> zequence, make a debdiff?
[21:51] <zequence> Len-nb: Let me write it down
[21:51] <zequence> I'll start a wiki page about it
[21:52] <Len-nb> OK, I'm busy for a bit anyway.
[22:02] <Len-nb> zequence, micahg ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme is updated to new background
[22:02]  * Len-nb wanders off to lunch
[22:11] <zequence> Len-nb: Ah, there was a package called that
[22:21] <zequence> Len-nb: I've only done this once, so I might have the wrong idea about a lot of details, but this is essentially what I did with micahg last time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DebDiff
[22:21] <zequence> However, looking at the source, it seems different people are uploading changes using bzr, I would presume
[22:22] <zequence> So, probably a bzr merge should be ok
[22:22] <zequence> I mean, looking at the changelog
[22:34] <Len-nb> zequence, I can think of some reasons not to do a debdiff in this case.
[22:36] <Len-nb> This package is universal to all flavours. Making a release ready diff might stomp over another flavour's qued change.
[22:37] <zequence> Well, you can get the source from bzr too
[22:38] <zequence> But, I'm still voting for a merge
[22:49] <Len-nb> zequence, the place i want to merge to has a merge place to merge that to but my page has no place to merge to that.
[22:55] <zequence> Len-nb: I don't remember, but it should work, as long as you created a branch off the branch you are trying to merge with
[23:04] <Len-nb> zequence, I had to change my branch to be associated with the right project.
[23:04] <Len-nb> Merge is proposed.
[23:10] <zequence> Len-nb: You could ask for a sponsor in one of the channels. don't know which one would be best suitable. Paste the merge request
[23:15] <Len-nb> zequence, I was going to ask that next :)  I think what I need is a reviewer.
[23:24] <Len-nb> Ok, the web page says "Merge proposals to package source branches will automatically subscribe the ~ubuntu-branches team, which should be enough to reach an Ubuntu developer who can review and sponsor your package change."
[23:24] <zequence> Yes, but there's no saying if someone will pick it up quickly or not
[23:25] <zequence> If you're lucky, someone will realize we'd like to have it quickly, and they see to uploading it
[23:25] <Len-nb> They were pretty quick to ask if I could fix it :)
[23:26] <Len-nb> There are a lot of channels around, release is real quiet. Moto is too.
[23:27] <zequence> It's Sunday too, and you notice that it's not a workday
[23:28] <zequence> From channel traffic, but also from a big decrease in mail traffic
[23:28] <Len-nb> Ya that was my thought too
[23:28] <zequence> The Beta 1 build I think was to start at 21:00 UTC tomorrow, so that leaves us quite a lot of time to get things uploaded
[23:29] <Len-nb> Ok, I think I will just leave things as is.
[23:32] <Len-nb> Next time I think I will add it ubuntustudio-dev. That way more than one person can work on it.
[23:37] <Len-nb> zequence, BTW http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-sponsorship.html is quite helpful.
[23:38] <Len-nb> they suggest doing the merge request first and then if a debdif is requested, it can be downloaded from the merge request.


[05:40] <scott> does someone here know who runs the kubuntu-ci IRC bot? it's been sending me private notices regarding build failures but I am entirely unaffiliated with kubuntu
[05:44] <bshah> scott: Hi, thats really unfortunate.. but I will ping relavant people about this..
[05:45] <bshah> scott: unfortunately people who admins this are offline due to christmas.. :(
[05:45] <scott> no worries, I barely notice it
[10:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:32] <shadeslayer> sgclark: JFYI : kwallet-pam lost my fix post merge ( see 4daa0350d4eba05a6907ede9bd1423352157c3af )
[15:33] <shadeslayer> CI is totally going to explode once I go on holidays on Wed
[15:33] <sgclark> kwallet-pam is a collosal pain in the arse
[15:33] <sgclark> merge it breaks it no matter what I do
[15:34] <sgclark> I don't understand the branching you got going on there.
[15:34] <sgclark> but I to go on hlidays next week so I expect a giant sea of red come the new year
[15:36] <BluesKaj> wish kwallet could be optionally deleted from the packages or not included by default. I never use it, and I'll take my chances with out it  because it is such a pita
[15:36] <sgclark> pft, I like it. when it works.
[15:37] <bshah> shadeslayer: oh btw, do you haz admin powers on kci?
[15:37] <bshah> earlier morning today here,
[15:37] <bshah> scott | does someone here know who runs the kubuntu-ci IRC bot? it's been sending me private notices regarding build failures but I am entirely
[15:37] <bshah>       | unaffiliated with kubuntu
[15:37] <bshah> bshah | scott: Hi, thats really unfortunate.. but I will ping relavant people about this..
[15:37] <bshah> bshah | scott: unfortunately people who admins this are offline due to christmas.. :(
[15:37] <bshah> scott | no worries, I barely notice it
[15:38] <bshah> he is getting mistaken for ScottK it seems
[15:46] <sgclark> doh. that was happening for sometime with someone named jr
[15:47] <sgclark> with my kde ci lol. I had to turn off notifications of culprits to rid that.
[15:47] <bshah> yep... jr guy is getting mistaken for Riddell
[15:48] <sgclark> yeah, to say the least they were getting mass spam lol
[15:51] <BluesKaj> my desktop is quite badly mucked up, hope some of the missing QML files come down the pipe soon
[15:53] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:57] <shadeslayer> bshah: yes
[15:58] <shadeslayer> bshah: why?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> you usually get pinged if you're suspected of breaking stuff
[15:58] <bshah> but it is pinging wrong people in private qurey
[15:58] <bshah> scott is nowhere related to kde/kubuntu
[15:58] <shadeslayer> what did you get pinged about?
[15:59] <bshah> not me.. but someone else
[15:59] <shadeslayer> it usually pings people it suspects
[15:59] <shadeslayer> could also be mistaking irc nicks
[15:59] <shadeslayer> not sure how it figures it out
[15:59] <shadeslayer> FWIW I'm not really around on account of it being a weekend
[15:59] <bshah> okay..
[16:03] <shadeslayer> bshah: lets talk on Monday :p
[18:07] <sgclark> aaahhh stable CI on launchpad is full... that is the cause of the failures...
[18:14] <BluesKaj> aha ! glad you caught that sgclark, maybe now there will be progress :-)
[18:17] <sgclark> yeah I hope so. I just put in a request for increase. But it is the weekend :(
[18:36] <sgclark> yofel: you copied qt551 from landing PPA 51 for wily into stable. Is that actually going to make it into archive? If not we probably need to build these packages with 5.4.2
[18:37] <sgclark> and he is out today.
[18:37] <sgclark> so I guess I am done haha
[18:37]  * sgclark out
[19:27] <clivejo> sgclark: stable PPA has been increased to 30Gb
[19:28] <soee_> BluesKaj: you use Xenial ?
[19:33] <sgclark> I saw, thanks
[19:34] <clivejo> sgclark: how could I get temp rebuild permission on KCI?
[19:35] <sgclark> I am running the scripts to rebuild all of stable.
[19:35] <sgclark> clivejo: you must become a kubuntu member
[19:36] <clivejo> no other way?>
[19:36] <sgclark> which is not that difficult. YOu should apply..
[19:36] <sgclark> no clivejo, that is how it is set up sorry
[19:36] <sgclark> he set it to use launchpad permissions. And honestly that is reasonable to ask that one become a kubuntu member
[19:40] <BluesKaj> soee_, yes I'm on Xenial
[19:41] <soee_> how is it working ?
[19:43] <clivejo> Im on xenial and its been great so far
[19:44] <soee_> no freees, dependency issues etc ?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> soee_, it was working fine until I mucked things up by adding the staging- frameworks ppa, so now I'm waiting for the missing QML files to come down the pipe
[19:44] <soee_> *freezes
[19:44] <soee_> ah ;D
[19:45] <clivejo> you added staging frameworks :O
[19:45] <clivejo> why?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I mistakenly thought that plasma 5.5 was going to that ppa
[19:46] <soee_> but Framewrosk 5.16 are ready now, no ?
[19:46] <soee_> *5.17
[19:47] <BluesKaj> it is usable tho , so i'll see what happens when 5.5 gets to the backports
[19:48] <clivejo> cant you do a PPA purge?
[19:48] <BluesKaj> clivejo, what's the point, the damage is done
[19:49] <clivejo> usually a good way to fix the damage done by adding a PPA like that :/
[19:50] <BluesKaj> well, no worries I have my 14.04.3 fallback OS
[19:50] <sgclark> no 5.17 is not ready do to networkmanager. yofel said he was just going to remove the symbols yesterday. Not sure if he got to it though. He is out today.
[19:51] <BluesKaj> this Xenial is on the "test partition"
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> hwllo world
[19:55] <clivejo> sgclark: any ideas why purpose isnt working on KCI - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_purpose/
[19:56] <clivejo> strange log entries - 22:09:00 log writing failed. can't be called from trap context
[19:56] <soee_> sgclark: status page shows nm green
[20:01] <clivejo> soee_: yofel was working on it#
[20:02] <clivejo> I think he is using an older stable version, but that might cause problems
[20:03] <sgclark> nah, just won't have new features.
[20:07] <clivejo> would it not cause problems with plasma or any apps making use of the new features?
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> jenkins website is slow
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> very slow
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> has something happened?
[20:10] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: yes, the PPA was full and failed all of stable. rebuilding it now. so it will be slow.
[20:11] <ovidiu-florin> so the machine that serves jenkins is the same that does the jobs?
[20:11] <sgclark> huh? no jenkins only feeds the source to launchpad.
[20:12] <sgclark> but then runs its own tests on the binaries and logs for each job. dunno the specs on the machine.
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> the machine that jenkins itself runs on, also does the builds?
[20:13] <clivejo> I guess all the waiting around on Launchpad might slow it slow?
[20:13] <clivejo> down
[20:13] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: nope, launchpad does the actual builds
[20:14] <ovidiu-florin> then what else does the jenkins machine do besides serving jenkins (as a website)?
[20:14] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: you will have to ask someone at blue systems sorry
[20:14] <clivejo> Its grabbing the source code from KDE git, grabbing the packaging and building the sources to send to Launchpad
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> that should be done on a separate machine
[20:15] <sgclark> right, it does do a debuild -S, but that is far from a full build
[20:16] <clivejo> sgclark: true, but for few hundred packages they all add up!
[20:16] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: we do not have the resources to be picky.
[20:16] <sgclark> clivejo: it is set to 20 max docker builds.
[20:16]  * ovidiu-florin is checking the status of the DO hosting
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand what's the current status
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> I'm sending Rick a message
[20:18] <clivejo> oh, there seems to be currently 26 building at the moment
[20:18] <clivejo> sorry 28
[20:19] <sgclark> oh snap, there is
[20:19] <sgclark> damn, well yeah that is a heavy load
[20:19] <clivejo> and 23 being queued
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> I still just see a white page
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> I can't see any content
[20:20] <sgclark> loads fine here
[20:20]  * clivejo disabled auto refresh
[20:21] <sgclark> though it is slow heh
[20:21] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to open http://kci.pangea.pub/ and it's loading for ever
[20:21] <ovidiu-florin> I still have a white page
[20:21] <sgclark> I can see it
[20:21] <ovidiu-florin> it loaded now
[20:21] <clivejo> strange I left kci status page running a few hours in firefox a few days ago and when I came back Firefox was using 4Gb of RAM
[20:21] <ovidiu-florin> who is senile?
[20:22] <clivejo> senile = sitters code name for xenial
[20:22] <sgclark> inside Munich hackfest joke
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> :)))
[20:23] <sgclark> not a good start
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: have you, or anyone FTM, compiled kross?
[20:23] <sgclark> I am going to see star wars tonight darnit. No amount of failures is stopping me.
[20:24] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: in the snese of my CI yes, but not stand alone.
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to work on kdepim, and I need that as a dependency, but it's not building on my machine, I think some library version incompatibility
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> version x.16?
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> this is all I get: /home/ovidiu/Qt/5.5/gcc_64/lib/libQt5Script.so.5.5.1: undefined refference to  `QMetaObject::Connection::isConnected_helper() const'
[20:26] <ovidiu-florin> how can I compare the list of dependencies for kross?
[20:32] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: mm dunno, I tend to google everything. If all else fails I ask the dev.
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> all else has failed
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: ^
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> including asking in #kde-devel
[20:36] <sgclark> I am not the dev of kross :)
[20:37] <clivejo> !kross
[20:37] <sgclark> try sendding a mail to kde-frameworks?
[20:37] <sgclark> or kde-core?
[20:38] <sgclark> that would be my next step
[20:38] <sgclark> after that I go to the git repo and gather names and start haunting them until they give me answers.
[20:38] <sgclark> though that only works for me cause of CI.
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> I've sent to kdepim
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> I'm going in #qt as I think this might be a qt problem
[20:39] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: what are you looking for?
[20:41] <clivejo> !kross-dev
[20:41] <sgclark> clivejo: he is trying to compile kross. This is out of scope with kubuntu I think. kde thing.
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: yes, you're right
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> I asked you, in case you build it in the CI
[20:43] <clivejo> is this it here - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kross/
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> and if you got the same error
[20:43] <clivejo> the amd64 build seems to be ok
[20:44] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/8440790
[20:44] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: green in kde ci.
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: what version ?
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> I see build failure on Kubuntu CI
[20:47] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: kross master build qt5.5.1
[20:47] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: well things are a bit broken due to full ppa
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> what do you mean when you say full ppa?
[21:12] <yofel> sgclark: wily official will not get qt5.5, neither does it get plasma 5.5. So we might want to attempt using qt 5.5 in backports. The ubuntu team took care of the most important rebuilds there already.
[21:12] <yofel> and nm is "fixed". But something else from the yellow stuff still needs fixing
[21:12] <sgclark> yofel: ah ok, was mostly a space issue, but that has been resolved.
[21:13] <sgclark> yofel: great thanks, will try to get it done today
[21:13] <sgclark> but going to see star was if it kills me
[21:13] <sgclark> star wars*
[21:13] <yofel> I'll do that next week, enjoy your evening ;)
[21:14] <sgclark> thanks ! :)
[21:15] <BluesKaj> sgclark, may the force be with you in your packaging efforts :-)
[21:15] <clivejo> hi yofel
[21:16] <BluesKaj> and enjoy the movie . I hear it's very well done
[21:21] <soee_> i hope it wont be like new Jurassic Park was ... :<
[21:21]  * clivejo wonders what distro this is based on - https://dot.kde.org/2015/12/18/first-plasma-wayland-live-image
[21:21]  * BluesKaj will probly wait til Star Wars is on bluray... no more movie theater in our little town :/
[21:24] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I put your commit bacck in and now we have new exciting failures for kwallet-pam. If you can take a look Monday. Thanks.
[21:25] <BluesKaj> clivejo, is JR working on other distros ?
[21:25] <clivejo> I dont know
[21:29] <BluesKaj> time to close up the office ...laters
[22:53] <ovidiu-florin> I've solved it
[22:54] <ovidiu-florin> apparently I've used qt 5.5.0 instead of 5.5.1


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[02:05] <PerfieM> So, how do I become an op for ubuntu?
[02:05] <IdleOne> PerfieM: you serious?
[02:05] <rww> !canibeanop | PerfieM
[02:05] <rww> I thought I'd given that factoid to you in the past, maybe I'm misremembering.
[02:05] <IdleOne> there is the info
[02:06] <PerfieM> IdleOne: weird, right? I've decided to help freenode, not destroy it.
[02:06] <PerfieM> rww: probably misremembering, but thanks
[02:06] <IdleOne> PerfieM: if you are serious about it that sounds great.
[02:06] <IdleOne> Good luck.
[02:06] <PerfieM> sounds wonderful, thanks champ
[02:10] <IdleOne> PerfieM: if you would please part this channel as per the topic. thanks.
[02:10] <PerfieM> Oh right.
[02:10] <PerfieM> lulz
[02:11] <rww> dealing with ^
[02:12] <IdleOne> woke up half of Europe for no reason
[02:12] <IdleOne> hehe
[03:07] <bazhang> blackbuntu ?
 lol noobs
[05:05] <Myrtti> alabd: hi
[05:06] <alabd> Myrtti: hi 2 you
[05:07] <Myrtti> alabd: whazzup
[05:07] <alabd> my usr has been banned from #ubuntu some months ago maybe it's time ro remove it ?
[05:09] <Myrtti> ok, could you please wait for someone else to look into it, Im not on a device I could easily check things or unban you :-\
[05:56] <alabd> Myrtti: sure thanks
[07:23] <ikonia> alabd: hello there
[07:23] <ikonia> wizardken_: hello also
[07:23] <wizardken_> ikonia, sup?
[07:24] <wizardken_> i know u?
[07:24] <ikonia> wizardken_: I was wondering if you could please change your part message
[07:24] <wizardken_> part message?
[07:24] <ikonia> wizardken_: I forwarded you to this channel instead of #ubuntu-offtopic to request you change your part message
[07:24] <ikonia> wizardken_: yes, the message your client posts as you leave the hcannel
[07:24] <ikonia> 7:41 -!- wizardken_ [~wizardken@unaffiliated/cwhizz] has quit [Quit: "If I throw this paper, yo bitch gone fetch!" -- Big Sean]
[07:24] <alabd> ikonia: hello how are you fine?
[07:25] <ikonia> alabd: yes thank you,
[07:25] <ikonia> alabd: how can we help you ?
[07:25] <ikonia> I've only just noticed you are here, so how can we help ?
[07:26] <alabd> thanks , don't you want remove ban after some months ?
[07:26] <ikonia> alabd: no, not at this time.
[07:27] <alabd> ok should humble remind you ?
[07:27] <ikonia> wizardken_: is it possible you could change that please ?
[07:27] <wizardken_> ikonia, yes i will
[07:28] <wizardken_> it's changed
[07:28] <wizardken_> thanks for telling me
[07:28] <wizardken_> I didn't think it would bother anyone
[07:28] <ikonia> wizardken_: thank you very much, one moment and I'll remove the forward for you
[07:28] <ikonia> alabd: no need, thank you
[07:29] <ikonia> wizardken_: forward removed, if you leave this channel and join #ubuntu-offtopic you should be fine
[07:29] <wizardken_> ikonia, ok thanks
[07:29] <alabd> ikonia: np , Allah bless you bye
[07:29] <wizardken_> I'm still banned ikonia
[07:29] <ikonia> wizardken_: did it not work ?
[07:30] <ikonia> I removed the forward I put on you, one moment
[07:30] <rww> 07:30 -!- 42 - #ubuntu-offtopic: ban *!*@unaffiliated/cwhizz [by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>205960 secs ago]
[07:30] <ikonia> (please)
[07:32] <ikonia> wizardken_: can you try again please
[07:33] <wizardken_> it works, ikonia , thanks
[12:06] <g30> what is this?
[12:07] <g30> get muted for what?
[12:07] <oCean> g30: hi there
[12:07] <g30> ocean mut me for no reason?
[12:07] <oCean> there was a reason
[12:07] <g30> why?
[12:07] <g30> please do tell
[12:07] <g30> ?
[12:07] <g30> ?
[12:07] <oCean> I told you to stop talking offtopic
[12:07] <g30> this is how u want users to be treated?
[12:07] <oCean> see, #ubuntu is a support channel, not a discussion channel
[12:07] <g30> topic is ubuntu is it not?
[12:08] <g30> right
[12:08] <g30> and i asked
[12:08] <oCean> we have other channels, like #ubuntu-offtopic where you can discuss such issues
[12:08] <g30> about compiz
[12:08] <g30> and ccsm
[12:08] <g30> is that not support matter?
[12:08] <oCean> indeed, and those support questions are very welcome
[12:08] <g30> then why did u mute me?
[12:08] <oCean> yes it is, but you have to drop the other offtopic talk
[12:08] <oCean> I muted you because you did not stop the offtopic
[12:08] <g30> ok i got it
[12:09] <g30> we can talk so long as ocean agrees with it
[12:09] <g30> :)
[12:09] <g30> thanks but no thanks take care
[12:09] <g30> im going to go somewhere where i can speak with friendly people
[12:09] <g30> :)
[12:09] <g30> so long
[12:09] <oCean> goodbye then
[14:01] <Myrtti> !pm > somicuthbert
[15:39] <oCean> ajbiz11: hello, how may we help you?
[15:40] <ajbiz11> oh, i was just joining to see the current ubuntu talk
[15:40] <oCean> ajbiz11: this is not the general ubuntu channel. This is for channel operators
[15:40] <ajbiz11> oh oops, i opened the wrong room
[17:04] <ikonia> hello vi
[17:04] <ikonia> vi
[17:04] <vlbhav> unmute?
[17:04] <ikonia> no
[17:04] <vlbhav> oh hi ikonia
[17:04] <vlbhav> why?
[17:04] <ikonia> changing your nickname will not help you get around the ban
[17:04] <ikonia> neither will not using your cloak
[17:04] <ikonia> freenode staff are in this channel and are not stupid
[17:05] <ikonia> watching you ask for cloaks, change your nickname and not wear your cloak sends signals
[17:05] <ikonia> vlbhav: we'll let you know when the mute will be removed
[17:05] <vlbhav> i did not change my cloak , it is juat the fact the i am chatting throught mh iphone
[17:06] <ikonia> that doesn't change your nickname
[17:06] <vlbhav> nick? it was a ghost
[17:06] <ikonia> not it's not
[17:06] <ikonia> you're using vlbhav instead of vibhav
[17:06] <ikonia> that's a manual change
[17:06] <ikonia> the sooner you grow up, the easier conversations like this will go
[17:06] <vlbhav> oops
[17:06] <vlbhav> just wait
[17:07] <ikonia> I don't need to, there isn't anything to discuss at this time
[17:07] <ikonia> we'll let you know when we unmute you, in the mean time, please leave this channel and go back to your normal IRC topics
[17:07] <vibhav> irc topics?
[17:08] <ikonia> yes, #ubuntu-offtopic for example for offtopic discussion
[17:36] <Corey> ikonia: Terr seems lovely.
[17:37] <ikonia> agreed
[17:37] <ikonia> found fredericks problem, they have linked in his network config to "epass" software
[17:38] <Jordan_U> !ooo
[17:38] <Jordan_U> Should be changed for Libre Office.
[17:38] <ikonia> make it so
[17:40] <Corey> Now he's at it in ##linux
[17:40] <Corey> ikonia: How'd you sort that one out?
[17:40] <Corey> The epass one, specifically.
[17:40] <ikonia> Corey: watching him tell lies to the people in #archlinux about the issue
[17:41] <ikonia> he was holding back in #ubuntu
[17:41] <Corey> Ooh, gotcha.  He get booted from there, ikonia?
[17:41] <ikonia> no, but he's now asking for epass help
[17:41] <ikonia> which when I looked into it is like a corperate remote login token
[17:41] <ikonia> so I'm guessing he can't authenticate properly without this token stuff working, hence no network ID
[17:43] <jrib> heh, I pmed him advising him to replicate the issue on a default install
[17:43] <jrib> he's telling me about his "real" problem now
[17:43] <Corey> Right, and I don't want the responsibility of breaking it. :-)
[17:43] <ikonia> jrib: was I close ?
[17:43] <ikonia> Corey: this is the thing we can't break his corperate build
[17:43] <jrib> "man the real issue is I need to make a vpn client work oki?"
[17:43] <ikonia> there we go
[17:44] <ikonia> I new it
[17:44] <Corey> ikonia: Tempting to give him the fix he wants. :-)
[17:44] <ikonia> jrib: if he'd just said that in the first place I'd have researched epass as I have done now, and tested to 2 main issues/solutions
[17:44] <ikonia> rather than the lies
[17:47] <Corey> Right.  Don't tell me what you think I want to hear, I can't troubleshoot based on that.
[17:47] <ikonia> it's a pretty straight forward and reasonable question
[17:48] <ikonia> I've got an ubuntu install that I'm trying to connect to a vpn using epass, I'm getting X problem, please help
[17:48] <ikonia> rather than having to dig through the obvious lies about what was going on
[17:48] <ikonia> I'm sure jrib will dig him out
[17:49] <ikonia> the guys in #archlinux certainly aren't
[17:50] <Jordan_U> !loffice is <reply> LibreOffice is a Free and open source office suite that includes word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components. To install: "sudo apt-get install libreoffice". User help available in #libreoffice.
[17:50] <Jordan_U> @login
[17:50] <Jordan_U> !loffice is <reply> LibreOffice is a Free and open source office suite that includes word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components. To install: "sudo apt-get install libreoffice". User help available in #libreoffice.
[17:51] <Jordan_U> !forget ooo
[17:51] <Jordan_U> !ooo is <alias> loffice
[17:51] <Jordan_U> !unforget ooo
[17:51] <Jordan_U> !no ooo is <alias> loffice
[17:52] <Jordan_U> !forget openoffice
[17:53] <Jordan_U> Sorry for the flood of mistakes (past and near future).
[17:53] <Jordan_U> !unforget openoffice
[17:54] <Jordan_U> !openoffice is <alias> libreoffice
[17:54] <Jordan_U> !no openoffice is <alias> libreoffice
[17:54] <Jordan_U> !no openoffice is <alias> loffice
[17:55] <Jordan_U> !libreoffice is <alias> loffice
[17:55] <jrib> ikonia: all yours if you want to help him (I have not)
[17:56] <jrib> !ooo
[17:56] <Jordan_U> !unforget libreoffice
[17:57] <Jordan_U> !no libreoffice is <alias> loffice
[17:58] <ikonia> jrib: not for me, the attitude stunk and I don't like being lied to
[17:58] <ikonia> he's gone anyway
[18:00] <Jordan_U> And after reading the old libreoffice factoid I realize now that OpenOffice is still used in older but still supported versions of Ubuntu. If #libreoffice is willing to help with pre-fork OpenOffice then I think the factoid situation can be left as-is with no OpenOffice specific factoid (assuming I have now sorted it out correctly).
[18:27] <Corey> Boom.
[18:34] <oCean> Mamarok: hello, how can we help you?
[18:35] <oCean> oh
[18:48] <Corey> That was interesting.


[07:52] <SuperMatt> sudo apt update
[07:52] <SuperMatt> ahahha
[08:46] <sailorsara> hej i need help installing ubuntu. i need to figure out if it will work with my system https://pastebin.com/cXh71cKi here is my lspci  output and the output from my  fdisk https://pastebin.com/sbRgxMe3 . i am currently using a live usb drive. its a sony vaio  model number vpcs11x9e from 2007  it has 5637 as the first value when i use free -m i NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO WINDOWS. my bank login does not support linu and the govrnment l
[08:46] <sailorsara> system requires it too.
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:20] <sailorsara> brobostigon: im not
[09:21] <brobostigon> not a boy or a girl?
[09:27] <SuperMatt> not in mourning?
[09:34] <Nafallo> morning
[10:07] <sailorsara> brobostigon: (09:21:45) brobostigon: not a boy or a girl?
[10:08] <brobostigon> yep, i did say that.
[10:08] <sailorsara> that was what i meant
[10:08] <sailorsara> im neither
[10:08] <sailorsara> hej i need help installing ubuntu. i need to figure out if it will work with my system https://pastebin.com/cXh71cKi here is my lspci  output and the output from my  fdisk https://pastebin.com/sbRgxMe3 . i am currently using a live usb drive. its a sony vaio  model number vpcs11x9e from 2007  it has 5637 as the first value when i use free -m i NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO WINDOWS. my bank login does not support linu and the govrnment l
[10:08] <sailorsara> system requires it too.
[10:09] <sailorsara> or if theres a swede here can i run bankid on a vm_
[10:09] <Nafallo> if you're currently running it off the usb stick, would you not know if it works? :-)
[10:09] <Nafallo> sailorsara: well, us Swedes generally hang out in #ubuntu-se
[10:09] <sailorsara> i mean how to image the hdd so i have a iso of the drive_
[10:10] <Nafallo> I'm here because I used to live in London and got an extra community too boost ;-)
[10:10] <brobostigon> ah i see, got you, sorry, sailorsara
[10:10] <sailorsara> Nafallo: lol no. they are everywhere
[10:10] <Nafallo> ...
[10:10] <Nafallo> right. let me re-phrase that then.
[10:10] <sailorsara> i can then use that iso as a virtual machine or to reinstall a legal copy of windows
[10:11] <sailorsara> im from the uk
[10:11] <sailorsara> but i live in sweden
[10:11] <sailorsara> they want swedish speakers only there
[10:11] <Nafallo> when you ask for help about stuff only existing in a specific country, you may have better luck asking in that countries community channel.
[10:11] <sailorsara> !languages
[10:12] <Nafallo> sure, but if you explain your circumstances I'm sure we'll be fine with it ;-)
[10:12]  * brobostigon hangs out in #ubuntu-cym, to practice his welsh, but its pretty quiet these days.
[10:13] <sailorsara> ok so, sweden and a number of baltic countries such as for example estonia MUST MUST MUST be able to use a security programme called bank id
[10:14] <sailorsara> we cant use it on linux
[10:14] <Nafallo> sailorsara: you have a requirement for bankid on your PC rather than mobile bankid?
[10:14] <sailorsara> BankID have 7,5 million active users. Many services are provided where citizens can use their BankID for digital identification as well as signing transactions and documents. The services vary from online and mobile banking, e-trade to tax declaration and are provided by government, municipality, banks and companies. BankID is used both for identification as well as signing. According to Swedish law, and within the European Union
[10:14] <sailorsara> kID is an advanced signature and a signature made with a BankID is legally binding. The customer’s identification is guaranteed by the bank issuing the BankID. Authorities, companies and other organizations must check the validity of the customer’s identity and signature. BankID is available on smart card, soft certificate as well as mobile phones, iPads and other tablet devices.
[10:15] <sailorsara> i cant transfer 300,000gbp without a cable connected
[10:15] <sailorsara> i need that
[10:15] <Nafallo> sailorsara: sorry, but explaining what it is to a country that doesn't need it is sort of not helpful ;-)
[10:15] <sailorsara> i mean its a small sum of money which is silly
[10:16] <sailorsara> Nafallo: no. 1 million swedes live in the uk
[10:16] <Nafallo> so!?
[10:16] <sailorsara> and i am sure they still use banid for savngs and stuff
[10:16] <Nafallo> I didn't
[10:16] <Seeker`> is this disucssion at all productive in its current form?
[10:16] <Nafallo> I had UK banking when I lived in the UK.
[10:17] <Nafallo> no, I don't think so :-)
[10:17] <sailorsara> well think is i need bankid on my pc
[10:17] <sailorsara> how can we make it happen_
[10:17] <sailorsara> aghhhhh my keyboard is set out in austrian
[10:17]  * Nafallo steps back from this conversation and go back to working :-)
[10:18] <Seeker`> only suggestion I've got is "try WINE"
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> very reminiscent of south koreas dependence on activex back in the day for transactions...
[10:56] <Nafallo> zmoylan-pi: I think this was java...
[10:56] <Nafallo> with a lot of dependencies to make sure the computer is "secure enough"
[10:56] <Nafallo> checking settings and stuff.
[10:57] <Nafallo> so no support for linux officially makes it very very difficult.
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> remembers that one of the first irish banking apps in java looked for files specifically in c:\windows which really helped... :-/
[11:07] <SuperMatt> geez
[11:07] <SuperMatt> That's nuts
[11:08] <SuperMatt> That's the kind of thing which stops people moving off windows xp
[11:09] <Nafallo> SuperMatt: except the official statement of the agency responsible is to use mobile bankid, not file based certificates on your computer.
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> annoyed a few mac users back then too... :-)
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> so not all bad :-D
[11:10] <Nafallo> you're allowed up to five devices as well, so that helps :-)
[11:10] <Nafallo> I've got it with different auth on 2 tablets and 3 phones ;-)
[11:11] <Nafallo> as long as you've got at least one working, there's no problem to add another :-)
[12:15] <foobarry> https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883 wowzers
[12:15] <foobarry> "This destroyed 3 production server after a single deploy!"
[12:17] <SuperMatt> What a bug!
[12:24] <SuperMatt> I've never really liked node and npm
[12:25] <SuperMatt> I remember my first job as a sys-ad when people were first talking using node on servers
[12:25] <SuperMatt> I basically said no because the stuff they were writing could simply get out of control, use too much memory, and bring the server down
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> we live in a world were people use slack for im gobbling ram likes it's free...
[12:37] <SuperMatt> It's not slack, it's electron which is the problem
[12:37] <SuperMatt> but memory on servers is different to memory on desktops
[12:38] <SuperMatt> a server is generally a single task device, so you want to be using memory in a way that gives you space to burst, but not using so little that 99% of the time you're wasting money
[12:38] <SuperMatt> but a desktop can be asked to multitask at any moment
[13:33] <ali1234> npm lol
[14:06] <diddledan> SPAAAACE http://www.spacex.com/webcast
[14:26] <SuperMatt> MOAR SPACE?
[15:00] <penguin42> meh, small rocket
[15:09] <SuperMatt> still, the amount of spacexing happening now is very heartwarming
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> all body warming if you get too close...
[15:11] <SuperMatt> nothing like immolation by space rocket
[15:13]  * penguin42 bastes SuperMatt
[15:16] <SuperMatt> ooohhh greasy
[15:24] <foobarry> does anyone have a bed table for laptop/tablet?
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> i made my own out of a piece of plywood...
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> more for using netbook on lap as it's too small to fit comfortably on my lap...
[15:25] <SuperMatt> I've got this: https://www.geek.com/gadgets/logitech-unveils-the-comfort-lapdesk-laptop-stand-642012/
[15:26] <foobarry> fancy
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> mine folds in half and wraps around the netbook when it's in my bag to add extra protection...
[15:30] <foobarry> there seem to be a lot of bamboo ones
[15:30] <foobarry> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zipom-Portable-Bamboo-Foldable-Notebook/dp/B01M68E330
[16:11] <sara_> hey
[16:11] <sara_> hdd is 289gb. freespace is 193gb
[16:11] <sara_> max partition for ubuntu?
[16:12] <SuperMatt> I always have different partitions for / and /home
[16:12] <SuperMatt> but that's just me
[16:12] <SuperMatt> I normally give about 20G to /, and the rest for /home
[16:14] <sara_> im sorry i mean max partition i can resiye windows to make space for ubuntu - i asked a stupid question
[16:26] <SuperMatt> Oh, well you don't need much space for Ubuntu. Like I said, I use 20G for /, and then the rest for /home. I would say use another 20G for home, and you'll feel very comfortable in Ubuntu
[16:26] <SuperMatt> that's about 40G in total


[01:29] <cjwatson> ev: patch for you in bug 645818
[01:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 645818 in usb-creator "Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645818
[01:29] <infinity> cjwatson: Shouldn't you be weekending.
[01:29] <infinity> ?
[01:30] <cjwatson> Exactly my plan right about now.
[01:30] <cjwatson> But this was pissing me off.
[01:30] <cjwatson> I don't like being defeated by mere build problems. :-)
[09:06] <ev> cjwatson: you're amazing. Cheers for the patch. I'll get it in after a dog walk and brekka.


[16:09] <MrChrisDruif> willcooke; ping!
[16:09] <willcooke> hi MrChrisDruif - in a meeting, should be about 20 mins
[16:09] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, ping me then =)
[16:25] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif, ping
[16:25] <MrChrisDruif> willcooke; pong
[16:25] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[16:26] <willcooke> Pretty good!  Lots of LTS work on going, but good.  You?
[16:27] <MrChrisDruif> Tired, last night about 4 hours of sleep
[16:28] <MrChrisDruif> IRC and mailing-list of TV, Tablet & Phone have been quiet the last few weeks
[16:28] <MrChrisDruif> But you planned on a setting a meeting
[16:28] <MrChrisDruif> I didn't hear anything about it since ^_^
[16:28] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif, Sure - I really haven't forgotten.
[16:29] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I couldn't ask because you weren't around ;-)
[16:29] <MrChrisDruif> But I thought you planned on previous Monday?
[16:29] <willcooke> I had hoped to
[16:30] <willcooke> Rest assured, I'm working to get an email out just as soon as I can
[16:30] <MrChrisDruif> Haha =)
[16:31]  * MrChrisDruif is curious: are you working for Canonical on this?
[16:32] <willcooke> I'm working on a lot of things.  Of course, the quality of up coming LTS is priority #1 for engineering
[16:32] <willcooke> TV is something I have a personal interest in.
[16:33] <willcooke> And Ubuntu TV is something I really want to happen
[16:33] <MrChrisDruif> Agreed, coming LTS should take priority
[16:33] <willcooke> And trying to involve the community in the best way possible is something close to my heart.
[16:33] <willcooke> What I want to do is get it right first time
[16:34] <willcooke> So, while we could sit here and talk about what colour it should be, there are much more productive ways we can work together.  And working out what those are is taking a lot of thinking about
[16:35] <willcooke> Out of interest, did you see Jono's post about forming experience teams?
[16:36] <willcooke> I think that is a great idea, and something we could adopt here, while we're still at the planning stages
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I've seen it =)
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> I'm also a bit active in the News team =)
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> I've actually summaries that post, as it seemed interesting
[16:38] <willcooke> How about then, in the short term we put a short (like 5 things) list of experiences together and see who's interested in what?
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> And long term more experiences?
[16:40] <willcooke> that sounds logical.  Let's see how we get on :)
[16:43] <MrChrisDruif> Any ideas for experiences already? ;-)
[16:43] <MrChrisDruif> I've got one =P
[16:43] <MrChrisDruif> It'll be a collab between all three new projects and maybe even normal PC
[16:43] <MrChrisDruif> Ow wait...I forgot IVI
[16:43] <willcooke> I was going to suggest the etherpad you'd already put together
[16:44] <willcooke> MrChrisDruif, sounds interesting!!  How do you think that would manifest itself?
[16:44] <MrChrisDruif> It's about taking a show you're watching along with your journey
[16:45] <MrChrisDruif> I haven't completely figured it out, but I've got a pretty amazing idea in my head
[16:45] <willcooke> How can we get it out of your head?!
[16:45] <willcooke> :)
[16:45] <willcooke> tin opener?
[16:46] <MrChrisDruif> Meh, more likely use a vice ;-)
[16:48] <MrChrisDruif> Just gently squeeze =P
[16:52] <MrChrisDruif> DINNER!!! =D
[16:54] <willcooke> XD
[16:55] <MrChrisDruif> I'm starving!! =P
[16:56] <MrChrisDruif> Haven't had a proper meal in 12 hours or something =P
[17:07] <willcooke> and it's Friday, so that can mean only one thing........ PIZZA!
[17:10] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, but close: LASAGNA!!! ='D
[17:16] <tgm4883> Pizza sounds good
[17:16]  * tgm4883 texts the wife about dinner
[17:17] <MrChrisDruif> Haha =)
[17:17] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going tgm4883 ?
[17:19] <MrChrisDruif> Phew, that was good =D *satisfied* < for now ;-)


[06:47] <soundray> Hey thepars, shall we invite ardchoille?
[06:48] <thepars> ok
[06:49] <thepars> if ardchoille wont it's fine
[06:49] <nalioth> ruh roh, it's ardchoille
[06:49] <thepars> lol
[06:49] <ardchoille> :)
[06:49] <soundray> duck and take cover!
[06:50] <ardchoille> Who's explaining sudo?
[06:50] <soundray> thepars, most unixes have a root user who's allowed to do everything.
[06:50] <soundray> So does ubuntu, but the root account is locked by default.
[06:51] <thepars> ah i see
[06:51] <nalioth> just like OSX
[06:51] <soundray> With sudo, you can temporarily assume the privileges of the root user, without actually logging in as such.
[06:51] <soundray> This has major advantages for security.
[06:52] <nalioth> yes, first among them, there is no 'root' user account to start brute forcing
[06:52] <ardchoille> I have one major advantage I'd like to explain later.
[06:52] <soundray> ardchoille: why not now?
[06:52] <ardchoille> Well, nevermind, nalioth just did it
[06:52] <thepars> lol
[06:53] <ardchoille> Also, you can't brute force the user accounts if you don't know the usernames.
[06:53] <soundray> What's more, the attacker will exhaust him- or herself... are there girl crackers anyway?
[06:54] <thepars> wouldn't be surprised :P
[06:54] <nalioth> girls usually have better things to do than brute force a system
[06:54] <ardchoille> thepars: The items in your home folder are ediable by you at any time. Most of the rest of the system requires root access for editing, and in some cases for viewing. This is where sudo comes in.
[06:55] <ardchoille> "sudo appname" runs the app "appname" as if it were launched by the root user.
[06:55] <nalioth> sudo = Super User DO
[06:55] <soundray> thepars: does this clear things up so far?
[06:55] <ardchoille> In Ubuntu, it's best to launch gui apps, if root access is needed, with gksudo rather than sudo
[06:55] <thepars> yeah i'm understanding it so far
[06:56] <nalioth> ardchoille: use the factoids (that's what they're for)
[06:56] <nalioth> !gksudo
[06:56] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[06:56] <thepars> i'm just really new to linux and have been having it handed to me on a plate with windows
[06:56] <nalioth> !kdesu
[06:56] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:56] <ardchoille> nalioth: Ah, good point
[06:57] <ardchoille> thepars: It is best to use sudo and not log in as root at all. Enabling the root account make the system less secure, as nalioth pointed out earlier.
[06:57] <nalioth> thepars: Ubuntu was designed to use the sudo model.  please don't enable the root account
[06:59] <soundray> thepars: try 'sudo -i', it gives you a shell with root privileges (dangerous, for example if you encounter a file called '-rf /' and attempt to remove it)
[07:00] <thepars> 2 secs i use ubuntu on my upstairs pc :P
[07:00] <soundray> thepars: when you have time, doesn't have to be now
[07:00] <thepars> o ok i'll write it all down and do it all later
[07:01] <nalioth> you'll rarely need 'sudo -i' as 'sudo commandname' works fine most all the time
[07:01] <ardchoille> If anyone can see how the RootSudo wiki page can be enhanced, I'd be glad to go in and make the changes.
[07:02] <thepars> all i'll be doing is allowing myself to unzip files into a folder
[07:03] <soundray> thepars: unzip them into your /home/steskel/ folder, then you won't need sudo
[07:03] <ardchoille> thepars: That should only require cd'ing to the folder and running "sudo tar <options> file"
[07:04] <ardchoille> thepars: soundray has a good point.. you can put gimp brushes in ~/.gimp-2.2/brushes and they should work.
[07:04] <nalioth> thepars: rule of thumb: don't use sudo at all (unless you are sure you need to)
[07:04] <nalioth> thepars: if you are doing stuff outside your home directory, DON'T.
[07:04] <nalioth> thepars: EVERY program on your system creates a hidden folder in your home directory with YOUR settings in it
[07:05] <thepars> ah i see
[07:05] <nalioth> there is no reason at all to modify system files/folders
[07:05] <thepars> sorry for being stupid
[07:05] <nalioth> ignorance is not stupidity
[07:05] <ardchoille> You're not being stupid, you're just learning.. which is what we all had to do at some point.
[07:05] <nalioth> ignorance is being erased with every second you are here
[07:05] <ardchoille> :)
[07:05] <soundray> thepars: unzipping brushes into the general gimp folder (/usr/share/gimp/2.0/brushes/) may be useful if you have lots of other users who also want to use the same brushes in gimp.
[07:06] <nalioth> stupidity is (unfortunately) mostly incurable
[07:06] <nalioth> soundray: how many users here on irc run multi user systems?
[07:06] <thepars> true true hopefully i can be as competent at linux as i am with windows soon-ish :P
[07:07] <soundray> nalioth: three or four? ;)
[07:07] <ardchoille> thepars: Well, you're in the right community for it. The Ubuntu community is one of the best I've ever seen.
[07:07] <thepars> definitely the best i've visited...i just need to get over the embarassment of asking
[07:07] <nalioth> thepars: the nice thing about *nix is that once you learn something, the knowledge is good forever (unlike microsoft, which changes 'how stuff works' with almost every revision)
[07:07] <ardchoille> Asking questions and reading material is the only way to learn
[07:08] <soundray> thepars: do come back and help us help other newbies when you're past that initial stage.
[07:08] <thepars> i definitely will
[07:08] <ardchoille> thepars: Indeed, the things yo learn can help others later.
[07:09] <thepars> hopefully my computer science degree will come in handy when i goto uni in a year :P
[07:11] <soundray> Bet it won't ;)
[07:11] <thepars> oh well i'm going to go and try it all now.  But on paper.
[07:12] <soundray> thepars: good luck
[07:12] <thepars> i know but if i have a better understanding than i do now i should be able to put some of it into practice...hopefully
[07:13] <thepars> well thanks anyway...great job you guys do!
[07:14] <thepars> talk to you some other time...bye! :)
[07:15] <nalioth> tag team information pushers?
[07:17] <ardchoille> hehe
[07:17] <ardchoille> I knew soundray would be able to explain it but I wanted to be here to offer any info I felt necessary
[07:18] <ardchoille> Ubuntu is the first time I ever used sudo, I had my doubts about it but Ubuntu has shown me that there are better ways to do things.
[07:22] <nalioth> i learned sudo from OSX
[07:22] <nalioth> when Ubuntu came along, i was already trained.
[07:34] <soundray> See you guys


[00:26] <V1A> euhh
[00:26] <V1A> how do i modify the GUI/desktop colors
[00:40] <sirriffsalot> V1A: system settings > colors :P
[00:41] <sirriffsalot> Or on global theme/theme settings, somewhere in those depending on what you're looking to change
[15:18] <V|A> oi
[15:18] <V|A> how can i cutsomize my theme/GUI colors ?
[15:45] <Iamahuman4> V|A: you'll find presets in the system settings ... that is on KDE at least, so if you on 20.10 system settings -> Appearance
[15:46] <V|A> 20.04 i think here and it came with KFC
[15:46] <V|A> (xf somthing..) lol
[15:47] <Iamahuman4> XFCE? LDXE?
[15:48] <V|A> yea the first sounds good
[15:48] <V|A> the one that came you know i didnt switch anyhting up i just put it on the drive as is
[16:04] <OvenWerk1> V|A: https://www.xfce-look.org/browse/cat/ might be a place to start.
[16:04] <OvenWerk1> but first look at the themes preinstalled
[16:05] <OvenWerk1> settings manager->appearance->style
[16:06] <OvenWerk1> settings manager -> window manager -> style->theme
[16:07] <OvenWerk1> I find moheli quite good, gives good contrast, focused window is more obvious
[16:08] <OvenWerk1> V|A: I just installed https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1231025/
[16:09] <OvenWerk1> I like it as it gives clear indication of what is what instead of blending everything together as is common these days
[16:11] <OvenWerk1> V|A: do be aware that many of the themes at https://www.xfce-look.org/ are out of date (gtk2 only) but each theme does show when it was last updated
[16:12] <V|A> ahhh looks good OvenWerk1
[16:12] <V|A> apperance/style
[16:12] <V|A> word i used didnt work theme/colors etc
[16:14] <V|A> think i prefer not installing anything additional cause im new
[16:14] <OvenWerk1> I can understand that
[16:14] <V|A> i prefer to just alter hexvlalues etc
[16:14] <V|A> or mebe make my own theme in the future, i always did
[16:14] <V|A> never 100% happy with whats out there
[16:15] <V|A> btwm just selected "greybord-dark" in styles and voila almost perfect
[16:15] <OvenWerk1> colours in modern themes are not very nice
[16:15] <V|A> i just wnated something neat with dark greyish blueish greenish colours .. that one is dope
[16:15] <OvenWerk1> good
[17:01] <sirriffsalot> V|A: still hacking away at the themes/colours? :D
[17:05] <V|A> well yes and no sirriffsalot
[17:05] <V|A> happy sys gui is fixed but i see apps are more individual
[17:05] <V|A> wont be a problem for browsers etc
[17:05] <V|A> hexchat fdor example is ugly af prolly can be fixed
[19:31] <V1A> hallouuuuuuu
[19:31] <V1A> is it possible for me to hide elements7devices from the audio mixer
[19:31] <V1A> i got 2 soundcards basically .. but its showing 2 more additional items that are completely useless for me
[19:36] <Iamahuman4> what are the items called V1A?
[19:39] <V1A> euhh
[19:39] <V1A> well im under "output devices" its a GUI
[19:39] <V1A> so its showing me the actual brand names
[19:40] <V1A> like "Navi 10 HDMI Audio Digi" blah..
[19:40] <Iamahuman4> V1A: Oh the HDMIs ... those can run up to 8
[19:40] <V1A> then i got starship/matisse audiocontroller anal..
[19:40] <V1A> i dont understan Iamahuman4
[19:40] <V1A> run 8 what?
[19:41] <V1A> im trying to get rid of stuff
[19:41] <V1A> its more or less cosmetic
[19:41] <Iamahuman4> 8 is because the maxed out SURROUND sound is 7 channels + subwoofer i.e. < 120 Hz
[19:41] <V1A> its just a hassle to deal with 2 items i dont need
[19:41] <V1A> i have 4 different audio outputs, i use 2
[19:41] <V1A> and i dont use hdmi at all
[19:43] <OvenWerk1> In which application are you seeing these devices?
[19:44]  * OvenWerk1 agrees HDMI is generally useless for anything other than watching movies...
[19:45] <V1A> header says "volume control"
[19:45] <V1A> let me see if i can find out
[19:45] <OvenWerk1> V1A: if by "audio mixer" you mean pavucontrol (opened from the panel icon) then got to the end tab called configuation and set their profile to "off"
[19:46] <V1A> yeeeea lovely
[19:46] <V1A> thxalot OvenWerk1
[19:47] <V1A> y didnt i see that
[19:47] <Iamahuman4> he's the best :)
[19:47] <V1A> eh ic windows even keep size afterclosing that would bbe excellent. does it remain after reboot?
[19:48] <V1A> just a general question if uu dont mind
[19:49] <V1A> to my understanding mac/osx is pretty muh linux
[19:49] <V1A> so in theory/with workarounds software intended for mac should run on ubuntu ?
[19:50]  * OvenWerk1 has never run a mac and finds windows audio utilities completly non-understandable from the very few times he has had to look at windows
[19:51] <V1A> dang i see now i can just click the arrow and didnt even need to open the mixer app to switch outputs .. loveley
[19:51] <V1A> i see how coming from here makes windows look a bit crippled
[20:09] <Iamahuman4> Btw my KlingPad (US 20.10) gives blank screens and a cursor after login, this happens in both "Ubuntu Studio" and "Plasma". I'm thinking that since I have Timeshift daily backups enabled on it, I should go backwards a couple of days
[20:11] <Iamahuman4> So I need to find my US 20.10 stick, boot that, install Timeshift from the official PPA, mount the disks and fire up Timeshift and it will know where everything should go
[20:12] <Iamahuman4> found it. gonna see if going backwards in time will help the OS
[20:15] <Iamahuman4> but if the problem is not in /-partition but in configs this will not fix it, coz the UI does not present reasonable tools to avoid backupping bunch of app caches, but to take the damn settings
[20:22] <Iamahuman4> I'm going to restore a 3 days old version of the /-partition. Here goes, and if it is broken stuff in .dotdirectories this will not help
[20:26] <Iamahuman4> looks like I'm back in ... yeah desktop opens up
[20:29] <Iamahuman4> upgrades & reboot ... just some python3 library stuff in Discover updates
[20:31] <Iamahuman4> Another installation saved by Timeshift. It is a cli, but I'm just using the gui. prlly could conf it to grab the relevant .dotdirs from homedir and disregard the massive caches. App can always rebuild its cache, who cares


[21:07] <wxl> yay silverlion
[21:07] <wxl> oops wrong channel hahahah
[21:08] <wxl> did i mention http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/2863-euglug-josh-marinacci-speaks-on-electron-ide-for-arduino-development/ ?


[09:18] <cimbakahn> Hello Everyone!
[09:18] <cimbakahn> Can i mark fcitx and gvfs-backends for complete removal, and uninstall them?  Would anything go wrong if i did this?
[15:58] <lejocelyn> Hi guys, how would you do to have a Lubuntu computer log in automatically and start firefox
[15:59] <lejocelyn> ?
[19:58] <Mitchell92> Hello. Trying to compare lubuntu or xubuntu... looking for something that'll give the machine amazing performance and battery life but not sacrificing functionality. HP Pavilion x360 13-S128NR - 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, dual core 6th gen i5
[19:59] <pleia2> it's a very personal choice, which is why both exist ;) I suggest trying them both
[20:02] <Mitchell92> I liked the look and feel of XFCE with a Mac-like dock. I just like the interface on my Mac... macbook is my go-to machine for most of my casual tasks... MSI gaming notebook for games, and I enjoy Linux for day to day activities and in this case the two in one ultrabook I want to just lounge around with and take to coffee shops
[20:02] <Mitchell92> so I want to maximize battery life
[20:02] <Mitchell92> I enjoy windows, mac, linux, I don't discriminate
[21:05] <freelancerbob> hi
[21:05] <freelancerbob> i have issue with PCmanFM, it cannot show me free space on the list below
[21:06] <freelancerbob> seems that list below is hidden or disabled. how can i enable it?
[21:07] <freelancerbob> i got it
[21:07] <freelancerbob> crtrl B
[21:07] <freelancerbob> show status bar
[21:07] <freelancerbob> :)
[22:01] <freelancerbob> i have problem with this command
[22:02] <freelancerbob> for i in *.ogg;do ffmpeg -i $i $name.mp3;done
[22:02] <freelancerbob> 9: No such file or directory
[22:02] <freelancerbob> anybody know why ?
[22:32] <Capum321> recently i have been presented with a dialog box from the system lubuntu - information available - update info - 'Failure to download extra data files' because the ttf-mscorefonts-installer requested additional data downloads after pkg installation, but the data fail to download or process. $ downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/andale32.exe error
[22:34] <krytarik> Capum321: That's LP bug 1607535.
[22:35] <Capum321> on going?
[22:36] <Capum321> yes. could simply install corefonts manually?
[22:37] <krytarik> No, should be fixed now by way of LP #1651923 - just update/upgrade.
[22:41] <Capum321> software updater missing corefonts, maybe synaptic?
[22:43] <Capum321> neither, maybe they are under other pkg or name?
[22:43] <Capum321> or, how this should work?
[22:45] <krytarik> Capum321: That'd be 'apt'.
[22:50] <Capum321> will try with synaptic before?


[02:38] <ChinnoDog> Not if access time stamps are disabled and the file size doesn't change.
[02:48] <waltman> So all you want to do is change a few bytes?
[09:13] <rmg51> Morning
[12:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[20:17] <ChinnoDog> ionice + nautilus = win


[08:15] <rickspencer3> jibel, gema cool: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/view/Daily/?
[08:24] <brendand> that is so awesome
[10:31] <alrie> hello
[16:26] <gema> rickspencer3: we are still working on it, still doesn't meet the requirements :)
[16:28] <rickspencer3> gema, thanks
[16:29] <rickspencer3> I <3 precise dashboard
[16:34] <besmirgogu> hi
[16:34] <besmirgogu> i am new to everything in here but I am very interested to get involved
[16:38] <besmirgogu> can somebody tell me with the test tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:39] <besmirgogu> what are the next steps after going to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/?
[16:43] <roignac> besmirgogu, take a look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures, however screenshot may be outdated
[16:43] <besmirgogu> thank you
[16:44] <roignac> np
[16:59] <alourie> besmirgogu: and we're now using a new version, so mind that
[17:00] <alourie> btw, meeting in 1 minute in -meeting
[17:00] <besmirgogu> i will be there
[17:00] <besmirgogu> hopefully I will understand smth :)
[17:01] <alourie> besmirgogu: you can ask questions later or here
[17:01] <alourie> we started
[17:37] <alourie> gema: wow, a proper STD document :-)
[17:37] <alourie> haven't seen those in a while
[17:37] <gema> ;)
[17:39] <besmirgogu> alourie: you mention a new version
[20:23] <alourie> gema: ping
[20:23] <gema> alourie: pong
[20:23] <alourie> gema: I don't understand something with Case Conductor
[20:23] <alourie> it seems to allow the flow control (run tests) together with tests management
[20:23]  * gema is all ears
[20:24] <gema> alourie: I think that is because we are all admins on that instance
[20:24] <gema> you can probably create another user and make it just test executioner
[20:24] <gema> and you'd get a different view
[20:24] <gema> alourie: but I haven't had time to try it out
[20:25] <alourie> hm
[20:25] <alourie> so if the user would only see the test by its ID, then it's OK I guess
[20:26] <gema> I don't know because I haven't tried
[20:26] <gema> I will try tomorrow if I have time
[20:26] <alourie> and if CC is going to have an API for fetching the test case by ID, we could talk to stgraber to directly show it on our tracker
[20:26] <alourie> CC would be Code Conductor
[20:27] <alourie> Case Conductor
[20:27] <gema> yes, I am assuming it has a database we can simply hook into
[20:27] <gema> but I will ask
[20:27] <gema> I think I missed that requirement