 Groete daar, dink aan jou.
[09:35] <Langjan> Hi pavlushka
[09:35] <Kilos> dankie baie my vriend
[09:35] <Kilos> ek voel goed,
[09:35] <pavlushka> Kilos: hello :)
[09:35] <pavlushka> Hi Langjan :)
[09:35] <Langjan> Ek is bly
[09:46] <Langjan> Kilos, jy moet groete sê vir jou meisies.  Is daar lig in die tonnel?
[09:53] <Kilos> ons kan net bid. verder is dit uit ons hande
[09:54] <Kilos> hulle sal moet 50-100 dollar n maand moet aanvaar as hulle ernstig raak
[09:54] <Kilos> so ver het hulle nog nie begin baklei nie
[10:14] <Langjan> Ja mens kan net doen wat jy kan, baie sterkte daar!
[10:15] <Langjan> Dis seker al slaaptyd, lekker slaap
[10:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[10:30] <pavlushka> night Kilos :)
[15:41] <inetpro> andrewlsd: how do you manage time synchronisation on virtual machines?
[15:41] <inetpro> surely time should just stay in sync with the host hardware that it is running on and there should be no need to configure NTP?
[15:42] <inetpro> obviously you want the host to stay in sync with a NTP source
[15:45] <inetpro> looking at output of top on a Ubuntu VM server it's kinda strange to see /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd at the top of the list of processes
[15:46] <inetpro> makes me question whether it should even be running at all
[19:48] <chesedo-> inetpro: a VM operating system does not know that it is a VM, so will use the same way to manage time as any other system... so i think atleast
[19:55] <MaNI> not entirely true, I mean these days a VM operating system does know most the time - while it's true it is possible to prevent it knowing if ou really really wnat
[20:00] <MaNI> e.g. "Linux adds the hypervisor flag to /proc/cpuinfo if the kernel detects running on some sort of a hypervisor."
[20:22] <inetpro> http://serverfault.com/questions/334698/how-to-keep-time-on-resumed-kvm-guest-with-libvirt
[20:24] <inetpro> don't think the link above really answers my question but is interesting nevertheless
[20:29] <inetpro> superfly: by the way, have you upgraded your quasseldroid yet?
[20:30] <inetpro> awesome new look and feel updates
[20:32]  * inetpro really likes it!
[20:35] <chesedo-> MaNI: interesting
[20:41] <inetpro> Quassedroid: Current Version: 0.11.7, Updated: September 25, 2016, Size: 2.9M, Requires Android: 4.0 and up
[20:41] <inetpro> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iskrembilen.quasseldroid&hl=en
[20:42] <superfly> inetpro: a long time ago
[20:42] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, kulelu88 on freenode told me "tell superfly : if you're around, please ping me. Having issues with wsgi" 1 day, 51 minutes and 33 seconds ago
[20:42] <superfly> Ai
[20:43] <superfly> I'm not around much at the moment
[20:45] <superfly> Maaz: tell kulelu88 ping me on Telegram, same user name as here
[20:45] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode
[20:46] <superfly> I need to get some sleep
[20:48] <inetpro> do people still use Telegram?
[20:49] <tumbleweed> yeah, some people do, heavily
[20:49] <tumbleweed> network effects are strange
[20:49] <tumbleweed> some groups won't use anything except it
[20:49] <tumbleweed> others, slack
[20:49] <tumbleweed> others, whatsapp
[20:49] <tumbleweed> others, fb messanger
[20:51] <inetpro> wow tumbleweed, you're still here even as well, and that on a Friday evening as well? :-)
[20:51] <inetpro> or is that morning on your side?


[08:17] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:44] <coreycb> sahid: designate is pushed/uploaded. thanks.
[13:46] <sahid> thanks coreycb
[13:53] <coreycb> cool, thanks
[13:56] <coreycb> sahid: aodh pushed and uploaded
[13:56] <coreycb> sahid: i just backported a new python-diskimage-builder so hoping that fixes up the ussuri backports
[14:00] <sahid> ack, i think we need to bump the ersion of python3-sqlalchemy-utils to >= 0.33.10
[14:43] <coreycb> sahid: ok I pushed a branch to lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/python-sqlalchemy-utils. I see upper-constraints at 0.36.0.
[16:56] <coreycb> sahid: networking-* uploaded
[17:09] <sahid> coreycb: ack thanks
[21:40] <okdana> hello, could someone help me understand how i'm meant to use pg_upgradecluster (tool for upgrading postgres databases) when the ubuntu repos don't maintain the older postgres packages it needs to work?
[21:40] <okdana> e.g. cosmic/disco/eoan only have postgresql-11
[21:42] <sdeziel> okdana: I've only used this tool when upgrading from LTS to LTS but it shouldn't matter. According to my notes, the new version will be able to upgrade the old cluster
[21:42] <sdeziel> okdana: when I upgrade from Xenial to Bionic, I do: pg_dropcluster --stop 10 main && pg_upgradecluster 9.5 main && pg_dropcluster 9.5 main
[21:43] <okdana> that's what i'm planning to do, experimenting with upgrading from bionic to focal (which does have 11 and 12, but obv i'm on 10)
[21:43] <okdana> but pg_upgradecluster returns: pg_controldata not found, please install postgresql-10
[21:43] <okdana> and it was my past experience that it needs the binaries from the current/old version
[21:44] <sdeziel> okdana: IIRC, the old PG version is letf installed after an upgrade, no?
[21:45] <okdana> for an in-place upgrade, probably, yeah
[21:45] <okdana> you reckon that's the intended use case?
[21:45] <sdeziel> okdana: right, I've only used that tool when doing in-place upgrades and thought it was your case
[21:46] <sdeziel> okdana: if you need the old version on a freshly installed machine you can probably resort to using apt.postgresql.org
[21:46] <okdana> unfortunately not, it will be a sort of 'a/b' situation, where focal is installed from scratch onto another partition and then we switch over there
[21:47] <okdana> yeah, might have to
[21:47] <okdana> i think we might have done that last time actually, but we were already using their repo anyway
[21:49] <okdana> unfortunately the postgres repo doesn't have any focal packages yet
[22:00] <Ussat> anyone have a min to look at something. My syslog-ng conf file has directives for both UDP and TCP, but I am not getting any logs via tcp, netstat shows I AM listening.  https://pastebin.com/K5HV6amj
[22:00] <Ussat> anyone have any ideas, this is latest Ubuntu 18.X
[22:00] <Ussat> UDP works fine
[22:48] <Fieldy> hello, how do i restart the network on ubuntu server 18.04.3 LTS? I would rather not reboot just to do this
[22:53] <mybalzitch> have you tried "sudo service networking restart"
[22:53] <Fieldy> ahh, i was doing sysctl not service. i'll give that a shot
[22:59] <Fieldy> er systemctl. tired.
[23:07] <mybalzitch> :)
[23:07] <mybalzitch> I'm not sure it works with netplan, might only be a ifupdown thing
[23:08] <mybalzitch> but I purged that trash from my install
[23:08] <mybalzitch> sudo service netplan restart might do something
[23:20] <Fieldy> thanks!
[23:37] <tomreyn> on 18.04, the "service" command should really be a wrapper around systemctl, like it was a wrapper around upstart and Sys V init in the past.


[16:18] <man0riaX> Hello
[16:22] <man0riaX> Is there anyone up to answer me a few questions? (:
[16:23] <czajkowski> man0riaX: just ask and if folks can help they will
[16:23] <man0riaX> I just found that article in the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xbox360Media and if I imagine I'm a new and unexperienced user it's quite hard to understand in my eyes
[16:24] <man0riaX> So I'd like to improve it if I'm allowed to do
[16:24] <man0riaX> so
[16:24] <man0riaX> So my question is: Is there anything special to take into consideration when editing pages?
[16:26] <man0riaX> I mean, some screenshots would be great there and…maybe a more simple guide of how to configure the whole thing, since there's a GUI for that now
[16:29] <man0riaX> I'm quite new on that and would appreciate every help I can get.
[16:30] <mvngu__> man0riaX: There is a style guide somewhere, but I can't find it on the community documentation site.
[16:31] <mvngu__> man0riaX: Oh, here it is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[16:32] <man0riaX> Okay so, I'm free to edit that page when I keep all points of that guide in my mind?
[16:32] <mvngu__> man0riaX: Sure. Just be careful about your edits. It's a community wiki after all.
[16:33] <man0riaX> Sure
[16:34] <man0riaX> I was thinking about contacting the two persons that have already edited it, is this a good idea at all? ^^
[16:35] <mvngu__> man0riaX: I'm not sure. Perhaps you would like their technical opinion or you want to solicit technical review...
[16:36] <man0riaX> Okay
[16:37] <man0riaX> Thanks for answering my questions. (:
[16:38] <ZachK_> man0riaX: what up
[16:39] <man0riaX> Not much. How are you?
[16:40] <ZachK_> man0riaX: Good...I noticed you asking questions about wiki?
[16:40]  * ZachK_ is the Ubuntu Beginners Wiki FG Lead....
[16:40] <ZachK_> if you want to join I'll put you on the list
[16:40] <man0riaX> Yes, I'd like to write a bit ^^
[16:41] <ZachK_> man0riaX: type /join #ubuntu-beginners-wiki
[16:41] <man0riaX> If my technical knowledge matches the requirements, sure :D
[16:57] <ZachK_> hello trijntje and antileet
[16:57] <antileet> Hey ZachK_ !
[16:58] <ZachK_> antileet: welcome to -doc!
[16:59] <antileet> ZachK_, Thanks :) I've been around here for a while!
[16:59] <ZachK_> antileet: SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:41] <man0riaX> Good night everyone