[05:54] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:54] <Tegu> all mornings
[05:55] <EriC^^> hello Tegu
[05:55] <Tegu> hi EriC^^ o/
[06:11] <ducasse> good morning
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:27] <JimBuntu> Hey there1
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[11:29] <JimBuntu> Merry Monday BluesKaj (even if Monday is simply another day of the week for you )
[11:32] <BluesKaj> well, Monday is still a weekday when the mail arrives and some businesses and gov't services etc, are open, so it is quite different than the weekend, even for retirees
[11:33] <JimBuntu> Good point.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> gonna be 21 here today, got the hoses out so think I'll hose down the old vehicle one more time to dissolve any remaining road salt ...might even wash the kitchen and bedroom windows .
[11:39] <BluesKaj> full moon last night, it was quite a sight here
[11:42] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, the family and I also observed the full moon last night, was clear and bright, quite the site (not meaning to rhyme)
[11:44] <BluesKaj> it low in the western sky this morning and quite bright even as the sun was rising
[11:45] <BluesKaj> nice to see clear skies for a change , we've had a dreary spring here so far
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[11:54] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I know the feeling with how grey the skies have been. I welcome clear nights (and days too)
[11:54] <JimBuntu> Hiya lotuspsychje
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> hey JimBuntu
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> wow it worked
[12:33] <ducasse> yay, someone has heard your prayers, lotuspsychje :)
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> thank the lord :p
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: updates dont come when you 'want' them to come out
[13:01] <en1gma> ok. ubuntu 18.04 LTS released 72hrs ago. why no apt updates avail
[13:01] <en1gma> i know all about it.
[13:01] <en1gma> why no updates
[13:01] <en1gma> major release with not one update in 72 hrs? we not stupid
[13:02] <en1gma> this is the 1st time thats ever happened i gurantee it
[13:02] <en1gma> guarantee*
[13:03] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: you dont trust the developers?
[13:04] <en1gma> what are you talking about? i trust the devs 100% what about the maintainers
[13:04] <ducasse> en1gma: there's been a weekend
[13:04] <en1gma> debian is still got updates why are updates on "HOLD"
[13:04] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: so, tell us why do you need updates now and not few hours later?
[13:05] <ducasse> en1gma: there usually are no updates in the weekends
[13:05] <en1gma> it is always a week day somewhere in the world. are you acting like this is just a normal weekend or acting like its a weekend after a major release
[13:06] <JimBuntu> " it is always a week day somewhere in the world" -> false
[13:06] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: any release gets taken serious...
[13:06] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: have you found a security flaw perhaps?
[13:06] <en1gma> i was in ubuntu+1 on day of release when they were still trying to get testers to run the LTS right b4 it was released because language translations were borked
[13:07] <en1gma> i know all about the RUSH job right b4 release. i was in ubuntu+1
[13:07] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: so now your saying the devs not working fast enough?
[13:08] <en1gma> im saying i was there and testing and i know what is going on. are you saying there is no problem and everything is normal and thats why there are no apt updates?
[13:08] <en1gma> why dont you say the truth
[13:08] <ducasse> calm down and wait, updates will appear eventually
[13:08] <en1gma> i know they will come. i want to know why they havent came already
[13:08] <Gargravarr> there are any number of reasons for no updates, in fact i'm thankful for the breathing space
[13:08] <Gargravarr> let the dust settle a little
[13:09] <en1gma> the devs have commits to mainstream. why hasnt they been released
[13:09] <Gargravarr> because packaging and testing has to happen?
[13:10] <daftykins> en1gma: don't forget you are welcome to request a refund at any time
[13:10] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: accept the fact updates come when updates come, otherwise you will be dissapointed much more in life..
[13:10] <en1gma> well yes but that happens everyday. why has it stopped
[13:10] <JimBuntu> en1gma, I can answer authoritatively, we are slacking and lazy.
[13:10] <Gargravarr> en1gma: if you want bleeding edge, you're welcome to run stuff directly from git
[13:10] <en1gma> no no no. i dont want bleeding edge... thats why im on LTS. i want to know why update releases are on HOLD
[13:10] <en1gma> its pretty clear at this point there is a hold
[13:12] <en1gma> this would be the first time after an LTS that it has been this long with out one apt update
[13:12] <ducasse> the only thing that is clear is that you see a conspiracy where none exists
[13:13] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: its not that weird few days without updates
[13:13] <JimBuntu> ducasse, Don't you dare try to take my tinfoil hat away from me!
[13:13] <en1gma> im wondering do we have some kind of malware that we installed that has stopped apt from working or did the maintainers find some malware and are on hold for updates
[13:13]  * ducasse sighs
[13:13] <en1gma> it wouldnt be that weird if it was 1 year after an lts not to have updates orver a weekend
[13:13] <lotuspsychje_> malware right..
[13:14] <Gargravarr> en1gma: here's a tinfoil hat to stop the malware reading your brainwaves through your keyboard
[13:14] <en1gma> from getting our credit card info?
[13:14] <Gargravarr> don't worry, half the world already has your credit card info
[13:14] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[13:14] <en1gma> true
[13:14] <en1gma> well im in debt anyhow
[13:15] <en1gma> bad credit*
[13:15] <en1gma> but if i was a person with good credit should i be concerned? :)
[13:15] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: so im curious, when updates come tomorrow will you come thank the devs?
[13:15] <daftykins> en1gma: that must be from similar bad decisions to running a new LTS before it hits the first point release
[13:16] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: +1
[13:16] <en1gma> after i take a look at the updates and there was no security update i will
[13:16] <en1gma> if there is a security update that talks about what im talking about will you apologize to me
[13:16] <lotuspsychje_> i surely wont
[13:16] <BluesKaj> en1gma, face facts there are mo new updates in the repos atm
[13:16] <en1gma> then i wont either
[13:16] <BluesKaj> no
[13:17] <en1gma> have the servers been hacked?
[13:17] <Gargravarr> yes
[13:17] <en1gma> lol
[13:17] <BluesKaj> en1gma, stop this silliness
[13:17] <Gargravarr> and this is all a diversion to keep you from realising it
[13:17] <Gargravarr> (where fact doesn't work, i like to try sarcasm)
[13:17] <en1gma> i like it
[13:18]  * JimBuntu haxored the shoot out of them there servers.
[13:18] <Gargravarr> all of us are actually Chinese and Russian bots putting up a front of normality
[13:18] <en1gma> just remember. i was the whistle blower. snowden lookout
[13:18] <Gargravarr> while Ubuntu machines all over the world run our malware
[13:19] <en1gma> i discovered the conspiracy first and not big Ubuntu is trying to hush me
[13:19] <en1gma> not = now
[13:19] <Gargravarr> be careful when you go to start your car
[13:19] <en1gma> it dont have a computer
[13:19] <en1gma> i have to use a crank handle
[13:19] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: ok you can stop trolling now
[13:20] <ducasse> look under it first
[13:20] <en1gma> :)
[13:20] <JimBuntu> "crank handle" <-- Now that's awesome. I sure hope it didn't break your arm, Mr. President.
[13:21] <en1gma> cant wait to see the first updates to be released for 18.04 LTS. ill come back to gloat
[13:21] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: so what will you have proven?
[13:21] <Gargravarr> lotuspsychje_: that software is imperfect
[13:21] <en1gma> that you were keeping it quiet when you probably know what im saying was correct
[13:22] <en1gma> and just saying "its a weekend"
[13:22] <en1gma> devs dont work on weekends
[13:22] <en1gma> lol
[13:22] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: that doesnt prove anything, it just means updates come out when updates come out
[13:22] <Gargravarr> the best thing about paranoid nutcases is that nothing you say to them can ever change their viewpoints
[13:22] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: if you find a real proof, you can come back
[13:22] <Gargravarr> whatever you say is taken to be confirmation of their beliefs
[13:23] <en1gma> normally thats correct but everyone knows that after this LTS release there should have been updates immediately as there was problems with language translations
[13:23] <en1gma> i wasn in ubuntu+1. you want logs?
[13:23] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: we never said devs doesnt work in weekend
[13:23] <en1gma> oh yea. i heard that like 2x at least over the last 3 days
[13:24] <en1gma> prob 3x
[13:24] <BluesKaj> en1gma, there aren't any bots or AI programs doing dev work or triaging/fixing bugs on the 'buntus. it ordinary people who like to have time off on weekwnds like the rest of us.
[13:25] <en1gma> devs are in a frenzy when there is an LTS
[13:25] <en1gma> they work like crazy to try and get there work done right up to that point of a major release
[13:25] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: i know what you need! paid canonical support
[13:25] <JimBuntu> Spring has sprung in the northern hemisphere. No doubt the servers were hacked right when the maintainers found that malware introduced as a cleverly disguised language localization fix.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> patience is the word of the day
[13:26] <en1gma> im not wanting an update im saying there isnt one update released yet? what is going on
[13:27] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: i repeat..its not that weird few days without updates
[13:27] <lotuspsychje_> it happens all the time
[13:27] <Gargravarr> probably the people who went hell for leather getting 18.04 out the door are still recovering from the all-nighters. probably still in bed
[13:27] <en1gma> its weird* only when there is a major LTS release and there is no updates a few days later
[13:27] <en1gma> you are acting like 18.04 LTS has been out for a year already
[13:28] <daftykins> you're an idiot
[13:28] <Gargravarr> no, we are acting like it is all routine
[13:28] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[13:28] <Gargravarr> which it is
[13:28] <BluesKaj> it's perfectly normal, not weird
[13:28] <en1gma> after a major release?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:28] <en1gma> i never seen it and i have had every LTS release
[13:28] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: prove it
[13:28] <en1gma> i dont have access to that data but i bet you do. you prove it
[13:29] <ducasse> lotuspsychje_: don't encourage him, or he'll never stop
[13:29] <lotuspsychje_> he wont stop anyway
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ok this is troll territory now, there's no meat left on this bone
[13:29] <ducasse> this is a dead parrot
[13:30] <Gargravarr> we'll just have to leave him pining for the fjords
[13:30] <en1gma> mad at me for pointing out the obvious? it wont be long til other people say the same thing i am. ill goto #debian and ask there
[13:30] <Gargravarr> please do
[13:31] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: be carefull not to get banned fast
[13:31] <ducasse> great idea! bye!
[13:31] <en1gma> for asking why there hasnt been any updates to ubuntu after a major release?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: we already told ya
[13:31] <Gargravarr> please. give it a rest
[13:31] <BluesKaj> you won't last long there with that attitude, believe me :-)
[13:32] <ducasse> lol
[13:32] <en1gma> and i replied with i have had ubuntu since the first time it was out. i never seen anything like that after i major release
[13:32] <Gargravarr> en1gma: we have a saying in Britain - cock-up before conspiracy
[13:33] <Gargravarr> roughly equivalent to Hanlon's Razor
[13:33] <lotuspsychje_> en1gma: we are not def..please dont repeat the same over and over
[13:33] <en1gma> ok
[14:29]  * Gargravarr raises an eyebrow
[14:30] <Gargravarr> so someone else noticed no updates
[14:32] <hggdh> Gargravarr: yes, but it is better to simply answer instead of what you first did
[14:32] <Gargravarr> hggdh: just an in-joke, i inteded to answer
[14:33] <hggdh> Gargravarr: I know. But the (casual) user might not,and might get a bit lost.
[14:33] <hggdh> Gargravarr: and yo *did* answer, later on :-)
[14:38] <Gargravarr> when viewed in the historic IRC logs, i'm sure it'll be worth the momentary confusion :)
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: one for you https://news.softpedia.com/news/system76-releases-pop-os-linux-18-04-based-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-520907.shtml
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> hi pragmaticenigma
[15:51]  * pragmaticenigma waves
[15:57] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: yes, I will try it. I still am not happy with HiDPI management on 18.04
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah we had users complaining on that aswell in main hggdh
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: you use scaling too?
[15:58] <hggdh> scaling is forced on, right now, at 200%. Every login resets it to 200% (unless you give up HiDPI)
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> i see
[16:01] <hggdh> and this is not good. The second monitor I am currently using is 1920x1080, and the primary (on the laptop) is HiDPI. So I either get readable text on the secondary, and very small text on the primary (at 100% scaling), or I get very large text on secondary, and very small on the primary
[16:01] <hggdh> which is to say, not good
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> yeah understand
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> the users that asked had 3 monitors
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: so lower res and play with less scaling isnt gonna help right
[16:03] <hggdh> no, it will not. And lowering res just loses the nice definition on the HiDPI, which sort of loses the whole idea of high resolution
[16:03] <leftyfb> gross
[16:03] <leftyfb> they use their own kernel stub boot loader as opposed to GRUB
[16:04] <hggdh> I like small text. On HiDPI, my usual 11-points text gets to be minuscule to the point of unreadability, at 100% scale.
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah same here, big screen and thin fonts & bars are nice
[16:05] <hggdh> At 200% scale, it is nice and well-defined. But, then, the secondary monitor gets this HUGE, like a 40-point type, text
[16:05] <hggdh> but scaling is per login, all terminals
[16:05] <hggdh> er, monitors
[16:06] <hggdh> so I will live-boot pop-os, and see how it goes. I have an Intel video card, so I should not suffer the slings ans arrows of nVdia
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: your screen are extended or mirror?
[16:07] <hggdh> extended
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: did you test on mirrored?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> cant find much more then this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1700085
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> i tested mirror with my samsung led tv, worked good there
[16:09] <hggdh> just did, and resolution is downgraded to 1920x1080 on the HiDPI monitor
[16:11] <hggdh> oh, not nice. After trying to extend the displays, I get bad rendering
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah i think its extended related
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> so enjoy I want this... we offer "this"... "this" isn't what I want... but I'm not going to show a visual aid
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: ah, the theme guy.. :p
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think they're after a theme... I think they might be after Classic Gnome (v2 era)... but they won't find a picture so I can confirm
[16:13] <hggdh> logging ou and in again resolved (and allowed me to use HiDPI again)
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> But their non-understanding of GTK makes it all the more confusing. Gnome is built on top of GTK, just like KDE is built on top of Qt
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: might be worth a new bug mate :p
[16:15] <Gargravarr> i was impressed by the HiDPI support on a Surface-esque Acer tablet
[16:15] <Gargravarr> out of the box, the graphics looked great
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> Gargravarr: readed article bionic installs like a charm on surface3 now
[16:15] <hggdh> yeah
[16:16] <Gargravarr> lotuspsychje: even the alpha installed great
[16:17] <hggdh> also interesting: after re-logging in, my remote desktop into Windows (current contract requires I remote-desktop in using VMWare's Horizon) now has one screen at 1920x1080 and the other at 3200x1800
[16:17] <Gargravarr> but on desktop machines, starting to think the 100%/200% options are too limited
[16:17] <hggdh> (which I did not have before)\
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: might be also interesting to test this over wayland
[16:18] <hggdh> yes, will prolly try it after the official workday is over
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> ok, lemme know if you would create a bug on it
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> ill make sure other get affected :p
[16:20] <hggdh> will do
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[16:21] <Gargravarr> lotuspsychje: i was even more impressed that the alpha set itself up correctly, using touch input, orientation, buttons etc. on a device that slightly predated the Surface (Aspire Switch 12)
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> Gargravarr: yeah i installed bionic in very early stage, performed pretty stable here aswell
[16:25] <Gargravarr> still got some nagging issues with systemd-resolve on it
[16:25] <Gargravarr> but since my main laptop has upgraded to Bionic without them, i think it's specific to the tablet
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> i have a systemd bug about speed
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> still not happy about gdm3 speed to desktop
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys
[17:15]  * nacc doesn't have time for trolls anymore
[17:20] <ducasse> nacc: MosesParts was in #u yesterday doing the same schpiel under a different nick
[17:20] <nacc> ducasse: thanks for the info
[17:20] <ducasse> np
[17:21] <oerheks> bor3 has just slow wireless..
[17:21] <oerheks> could mean anything
[17:21] <nacc> oerheks: using a third party non-ubuntu driver, afaict
[17:23] <oerheks> he did, yes, i helped him building from github, but that was no success too, so his claim is false, it was not better on 16.04
[17:23] <nacc> fun
[17:24] <oerheks> or at least questionable
[17:33] <Gargravarr> lovely humblebrag from that guy - 'i've seeded the ISO several times now... on my symmetric Gb connection' :)
[17:34] <nacc> who the hell cares.
[17:34] <Gargravarr> indeed
[17:34] <nacc> :)
[17:41] <Ben64> heh
[17:42] <Ben64> 9.4GB in over 3 days
[17:42] <Ben64> not really impressive
[17:43] <Ben64> sent 229 bytes  received 8,475,255,271 bytes  10,817,173.58 bytes/sec
[17:43] <Ben64> total size is 649,537,458,279  speedup is 76.64
[17:52] <leftyfb> I got one .....
[17:53] <leftyfb> I want an ubuntu device to boot up on a network, and use avahi/zeroconf to search for some variables it will use in it's config. Is this possible? With avahi? So far the only stuff I can find with avahi is to publish networking configs/hostnames
[17:54] <daftykins> what kind of vars?
[17:55] <leftyfb> something like DB_location=customer_site
[18:01] <hggdh> for those that wanted it... there you go security updated available on 18.04
[18:02] <oerheks> .. let me call en1gma ;-)
[18:03] <JimBuntu> hggdh, oerheks , I guess the maintainers worked around that server hack and malware ;-D
[18:03] <hggdh> prolly, yeah
[18:31] <Gargravarr> JimBuntu: nah, the package maintainers finally recovered from their all-nighters trying to get Bionic out the door :D
[18:32] <Gargravarr> can confirm, conspiracy has ended :P
[21:54] <Bashing-om> UWN published - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390629 .