[10:09] <hayden> thanks eyequeue
[10:10] <thenuke> Echelon-H: in matter of fact, you do not need to create new partition but that free space, where ubuntu can make partitions for you
[10:12] <yahalom> Echelon-H, raita et ha live-cd?
[10:13] <mynullvoid> my audio now not working properly after following guide from ubuntuguide.org
[10:13] <mynullvoid> how can I reset my audio setting? I had revert the changes I made that I followed
[10:14] <firefox> hi everyone.
[10:14] <count0nz> Hi firefox
[10:14] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  typically i find i have to run alsamixer as root (sudo alsamixer) and disable anything i don't have on the box, and increase the volume and unmute anything i do have, after i make any sound changes
[10:15] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  this is also necessary after a kernel change
[10:15] <mynullvoid> eyequeue: my volume manager don't want to start now
[10:15] <mynullvoid> eyequeue: how to tell 'have on the box'?
[10:15] <Echelon-H> yahalom, lo ma ze?
[10:15] <seth> Hey guys. I'm having a little problem with my PS/2 mouse. For some reason, every few minutes, it goes nuts and gets stuck in the top right corner. Doesn't matter how I move it, it only downs down the right side and across the top. It stops when I close the monitor, but it still happens a good 5 minutes later.
[10:15] <Echelon-H> yahalom ze keiloo poel rak al disk?
[10:16] <Echelon-H> yahalom, veshomer hagdarot?
[10:16] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  well, hardware you don't have, like say external amplifiers here
[10:16] <eyequeue> mynullvoid:  start with just the basics at first, master headphones and pcm
[10:16] <firefox> i downloaded firefox 1.04 from mozilla.org. Just wondering, how do you uninstall Firefox 1.04?  The thing is that if i set up first Hoary , windows will just screw up my MBR and loose linux boot manager, if i set up windows first and then linux, linux will boot than and windows will only give me some blue error screen while booting !
[10:19] <eyequeue> seth:  gpm (general purpose mouse) is for the mouse in console, and don't always get along with x
[10:20] <eyequeue> seth:  that can cause those symptoms, and the solution is to tell x to read the named pipe gpm creates, rather than the actual hardware device
[10:20] <snbob> is there a known problem with Hoary 5.04 64bit and windows xp?
[10:21] <seth> eyequeue,  how do I do that?
[10:21] <firefox> is uninstalling firefox 1.04 from ubuntu as simple as deleting the folder that Firefox1.04 installer (firefox-installer-bin) created? (I ask coz I'm thinking of reverting back to the Firefox that comes with ubuntu (version 1.02). your help for a newbie is appreciated.
[10:21] <yahalom> if i use alien to convert rpms to .deb packages on ubuntu will the packages work on debian or dsl?
[10:21] <Encrypted> i dual boot hoary 64bit and win32 perfectly
[10:21] <Encrypted> what boot loader you using ?
[10:22] <mynullvoid> nickrud: so how do I get my audio back?
[10:22] <nickrud> yahalom, usually, but not always
[10:22] <snbob> Encrypted GRUB
[10:22] <eyequeue> seth:  /etc/gpm.conf device=/dev/psaux repeat_type=ms3
[10:22] <Encrypted> snbob, if you keep getting the problem maybe try loading lilo.. see if it solves the issue
[10:22] <Echelon-H> yahalom, ma ze live cd?
[10:22] <Echelon-H> yahalom ze keiloo poel rak al disk?
[10:22] <Echelon-H> yahalom, veshomer hagdarot?
[10:22] <nickrud> mynullvoid, first try lsof | grep /dev/dsp   Do you get any respose?
[10:23] <snbob> Encrypted yeah but can lilo map the windows partition?
[10:23] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ken
[10:23] <liable> hmmm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[10:23] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ze mare lecha et haTochna blie ladkin ota
[10:23] <Encrypted> snbob, yip been using lilo for years
[10:23] <Echelon-H> Hmmm... And I dont need to mess with partitions and stuff right?
[10:23] <yahalom> Echelon-H,    ?
[10:23] <snbob> Encrypted so , have you maped the windows partition?
[10:23] <Echelon-H> Didnt see your last msg
[10:24] <yahalom> =
[10:24] <Echelon-H> Anyways, After I exit the ubuntu it won't save anything right?
[10:24] <eyequeue> yahalom:  oh cool, were those hebrew characters?
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> awesome hebrew
[10:24] <Encrypted> snbob, the default config has an example "other"  os, just switch to your windows partition, give it a pretty name and it should work
[10:24] <Echelon-H> I can't see your hebrew
[10:24] <yahalom> Echelon-H, u using windows?
[10:24] <yahalom> eyequeue, yes
[10:24] <Echelon-H> yeah.
[10:24] <eyequeue> yahalom:  and were they right to left?
[10:24] <yahalom> eyequeue, yes
[10:24] <Echelon-H> Yeah :p
[10:25] <eyequeue> yahalom: do you have to type backwards or does your irc client handle it?
[10:25] <Echelon-H> lol
[10:25] <johnnybe1ak> heheeh
[10:25] <yahalom> eyequeue, i use xchat and it handles it fine
[10:25] <seth> eyequeue,  gpm.conf is already set to what you said.
[10:25] <yahalom> eyequeue, except for the ? ! characters
[10:25] <liable> mynullvoid: there is a alsaconf for ubuntu, maybe install alsa-utils.
[10:25] <johnnybe1ak> do you have a hebrew keyboard
[10:25] <Echelon-H> anyways, where can I get the liveCD or stuff?
[10:25] <johnnybe1ak> or both or what?
[10:25] <transgress> the website?
[10:26] <eyequeue> yahalom:  where do you copnfigure it in xchat?
[10:26] <yahalom> johnnybe1ak, yeah
[10:26] <yahalom> eyequeue, i dont. i have my ubuntu in hebrew. so it just lets me type in all apps in hebrew.
[10:26] <eyequeue> seth:  i'm out of ideas, just remembering how the fix was in debian, a year or three ago
[10:26] <eyequeue> yahalom:  oh, that's sweet
[10:26] <firefox> Hi all. Can anybody answer my question on uninstalling Firefox 1.0.4, please? I was thinking that the way to uninstall Firefox 1.0.4 from my PC is just to  delete the folder containing the stuff, but I would like confirmation. Anyone?
[10:26] <seth> eyequeue,  I just installed gpm though...
[10:26] <yahalom> eyequeue, u go to synaptic and download all the hebrew stuff
[10:26] <factorx> oh my... I just installed win98 into my vm. can it do other things than reboot? :D
[10:27] <snbob> Encrypted ok, another thing , right now i have Hoary 5.04 with GRUB installed in MBR, how can i install windows xp , without screwing up the MBR?
[10:27] <Echelon-H> yahalaom, when I use the LiveCD it won't save anything right? and where can I get it? What options do I have there?
[10:27] <seth> eyequeue,  so, hopefully, it will work now?
[10:27] <yahalom> eyequeue, it works in irssi too
[10:27] <nickrud> firefox, probably not, but a firefox list would be a better bet for an answer
[10:27] <eyequeue> yahalom:  you're typing in english now though, is there a toggle it enables?
[10:27] <Echelon-H> you can make a toggle key
[10:27] <Echelon-H> ...
[10:27] <snbob> Encrypted , does windows xp has any option to leave the MBR instact?
[10:27] <johnnybe1ak> yathalom: do you have an english keyboard too or what
[10:28] <eyequeue> seth:  you may want  to reboot to be sure things load in the right order, i suppose
[10:28] <Encrypted> snbob, i dont think you can.. best option would be to install windows, let it break it.. boot some sort of live cd or recovery cd and rerun grub
[10:28] <Echelon-H> Yeah, there's a toggle key (at leats when I used linux)
[10:28] <Echelon-H> I mean, you can make one in the console
[10:28] <seth> I have to say, I love Ubuntu. Shit just works. I love it.
[10:28] <nickrud> s/probably/probably not/ I'm up too late )
[10:28] <eyequeue> seth:  i'm not fluent enough to know what needs to come first to walk you through it (nor can i guarantee it will make a difference)
[10:28] <someone> people, i'm having a prob with the ubuntu live cd
[10:28] <yahalom> eyequeue, in gnome u add the il layout, in kde the same, in xfce u edit your xorg.conf and add to "us" il so u get "us,il" then you use xkb options, so in my case both shift keys switch languages. xfce has a plugin which u press and also changes layouts.
[10:29] <IIIEars> seth - amazing isn't it? - how many Distros did you try before Ubuntu?
[10:29] <snbob> Encrypted with grub it wont work , it will load linux but if trying to boot up windows i'll get the blue error screen
[10:29] <eyequeue> yahalom:  majorly cool
[10:29] <yahalom> Echelon-H, try the live cd.
[10:29] <Echelon-H> k
[10:29] <eyequeue> yahalom: obviously i'm one of those monolingual morons
[10:30] <IIIEars> is "moron" French? - hehe
[10:30] <Echelon-H> But I dont know where to get it. I think I downloaded yesterday the full version..
[10:30] <seth> IIIEars,  I've tried Gentoo, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE, Red Hat, Fedora Core, Slackware, and FreeBSD.
[10:30] <yahalom> eyequeue, well u could always put ur ubuntu in spanish or german or something, and then ud have to learn another language
[10:30] <yahalom> ;)
[10:30] <eyequeue> actually, i know sign language, but there's no locale for that, heh
[10:30] <yahalom> lol
[10:30] <johnnybe1ak> hehe
[10:30] <Echelon-H> lol
[10:30] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is Refreshing
[10:30] <seth> This is over the last 4 years though. I have times when I just want to use *nix because Win32 platforms piss me off, so I go to *nix for about a month, then I have to go back to Win32 since I did VB coding in school.
[10:31] <Encrypted> snbob, thats why i suggest lilo.. see where the problem lies.. is it grub, or is it windows being really weird
[10:31] <Echelon-H> Maybe there is, they can make it a standart ASCII code or something.
[10:31] <yahalom> i  need to have xfce in hebrew. so if get the hebrew rpms and use alien and then install them t should work right?
[10:31] <yahalom> oops sorry. wrong box
[10:31] <Echelon-H> The font will be some fingers or body parts in all sorts of ways.
[10:31] <snbob> Encrypted k, will do :) thanks
[10:31] <eyequeue> seth:  a thought: learn some bash scripting, and then no need to leave linux? :)
[10:31] <seth> eyequeue,  I HAD to take VB in school...
[10:32] <Encrypted> snbob, lilo isnt complicated either, just edit the config which is pretty straight forward and then run lilo
[10:32] <eyequeue> seth:  okay, consider me your teacher:  SETH!  Learn bash scripting NOW!  you have three months until the exam!! :P
[10:32] <seth> eyequeue,  ah shit!
[10:32] <IIIEars> no pressure.. - lol
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> why do you have to learn bash
[10:33] <seth> I actually plan on learning Python and perl.
[10:33] <yahalom> Echelon-H, its all posible, but who would work on something like that. deaf people who can see can read.
[10:33] <Echelon-H> baaah, where do I get the live cd.
[10:33] <eyequeue> seth:  seriously, python is very popular with ubuntu developers
[10:33] <nickrud> seth, here's your cheat sheet: learning the bash shell, O'Rielly Books
[10:33] <seth> As for now, I'm trying to get my volume up/down keys on my laptop working.
[10:33] <yahalom> anyone here use gmailFS?
[10:33] <someone> i'm having a prob with dat live cd - i don't recommend it
[10:33] <yahalom> ?? gmailfs
[10:33] <Echelon-H> why?
[10:33] <eyequeue> seth:  sudo apt-get install diveintopython to get a whole book on it :)
[10:33] <someone> stupid thing can't find acpi-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di_2.6.10-34_i386.udeb
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> seth there is a great bash guide at the linux doc. project
[10:34] <snbob> Encrypted i used to have lilo myself , but since Ubuntu came with Grub by default and since it says it's so much better than lilo, i sticked with it , tho i'll stay with the one that gets the job done :)
[10:34] <Echelon-H> right....
[10:34] <yahalom> anyone know what gmailfs is?
[10:34] <johnnybe1ak> exactly its a boot loader, who cares
[10:34] <IIIEars> thanks eyequeue
[10:34] <Encrypted> snbob, im the same.. first sign of trouble from grub tho and it goes
[10:34] <someone> i give up
[10:34] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i've heard of it, it's some way of using the gig or two gmail gives you as an external fs
[10:34] <johnnybe1ak> someone: whats the matter
[10:35] <Echelon-H> k found the livecd.
[10:35] <MobyTurbo> yahalom, gmailfs turns a gmail email account into data storage. Very silly.
[10:35] <seth> eyequeue,  I already have it apprearently.
[10:35] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i would imagine it has to be pretty slow, more a proof-of-conecpt thing
[10:35] <Echelon-H> Can I do anything with that anyway? I mean what's the point in LiveCD if you can't acctualy save stuff.
[10:35] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  np
[10:35] <yahalom> eyequeue, yeah but id like to try it. store docs there, so when i install my os again for some reason
[10:36] <yahalom> MobyTurbo, it migth work :)
[10:36] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  *if* you have an ext2 partition already, i guess the livecd can sense it and use it
[10:36] <seth> Anyone here running *nix on a Dell Inspiron 8100?
[10:36] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  basically it's a risk-free trial if you don't
[10:36] <nickrud> Echelon-H, mount a partiition (windows or linux) and save there
[10:36] <Echelon-H> can I save linux data on NTFS filesystem?
[10:37] <Orunitia> I installed Ubuntu, and when gdm, or kdm goes to start up, everything just freezes and I have to shut down
[10:37] <Echelon-H> but anyways, ill try the live cd and then decide what do to, and if I want a full installation
[10:37] <liable> mynullvoid: did you install als-utils?
[10:37] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i think i'd tar up my /home, gpg it, and upload the new tarball there :)
[10:37] <liable> alsa even
[10:37] <mynullvoid> liable: alsa-utils
[10:37] <liable> yup
[10:37] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  ntfs reading is supported, but writing is still considered dangerous
[10:38] <Echelon-H> oh, If I am downloading Version X.YZ now, will I have to download a CD of a new one later or I can always install & update to the latest?
[10:38] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  the Captive NTFS project is intended to make writes safe
[10:38] <yahalom> eyequeue, good point
[10:38] <Echelon-H> dangerous means I can lose data / lose my hdd?
[10:39] <hayden> is php5 out?
[10:39] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  you can always upgrade, with a simple set of two commands "sudo apt-get update" && "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:39] <seth> Anyone know how to get volume up/down keys on a Dell Inspiron 8100 to work?
[10:39] <Echelon-H> k
[10:39] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  i believe so, though you can ask ms to open their specs i guess, heh
[10:40] <Gog> seth: do you get keycode messages appear in /var/log/messages when you try?
[10:40] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  btw, releases are every 6 months, so what you d/l now will be the current for about 5 more
[10:40] <Gog> (you can map extended keys easily)
[10:40] <Orunitia> I installed Ubuntu, and when gdm, or kdm goes to start up, everything just freezes and I have to shut down
[10:40] <liable> seth: there are dell kernel modules, dunno, if they will help though, something to look at but.
[10:40] <sladen> seth: they appear as normal key-presses
[10:41] <Echelon-H> thanks a lot eyequeue!
[10:41] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  sure thing
[10:41] <Echelon-H> and yahalom too
[10:41] <Echelon-H> :)
[10:41] <seth> Gog,  no, I don't, just seeing lots of shit about my mouse losing sync....
[10:41] <firefox> To any, a Quick, easy Favor: Right click the firefox icon on your panel, click properties. Could you please copy and paste here what's written in the "command" blank box, please? Coz I was playing around, and don't know which is the correct line, here.
[10:41] <seth> firefox,  mozilla-firefox
[10:42] <seth> Or, try firefox %u
[10:42] <yahalom> Echelon-H, besimcha
[10:42] <firefox> seth, doesn't the command line have slashes (/..../...)? Please just copy and paste here.
[10:42] <snbob> is changing the locales ( sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales) any reason for system instability? what i did is just that, changed the default locale from en_US.UTF-8 to en_US (LANG=en_US) in order to get proper character displaying in console ( if i did let's say man printf , the ' would not get displayed ), so now i get the ' char displayed but now gmplayer for ex just crashes after a few secs of play
[10:42] <seth> firefox,  no it isn't.
[10:42] <Gog> seth: if they're normal keypresses, like sladen says - you should just be able to map through system/prefs/keyboard shortcuts
[10:43] <snbob> its weierd
[10:43] <firefox> seth, thanks it works! (if you're wondering what I'm doing: I installed firefox 1.04 from mozilla.org, but now i uninstalled it).
[10:43] <seth> firefox,  not a problem.
[10:43] <seth> Gog,  that works. Thanks.
[10:44] <marcel_> How do I install encrypted DVD support in 5.04?
[10:44] <Gog> found it welcome myself ... never managed to get them working under fbsd ;)
[10:44] <seth> I looked in /var/log/messages and didn't see anything, but I went in and set an accecerator for the volume up/down and it works. Thank you.
[10:44] <seth> Gog, fBSD is satan. =P
[10:44] <Gog> it was 7 years of hell, it'll take a while for me to recover
[10:45] <seth> I used fBSD for about a month, and never did get X working at all.
[10:45] <Gog> :)
[10:45] <IIIEars> marcel - http://ubuntuwiki/Restrictedformats
[10:46] <Gog> btw: could someone tell me, do I still need periodic apt-get update, if I use the ubuntu package manager and install its updates as they appear?
[10:46] <lapo> hi
[10:46] <Gog> s/package/update/
[10:46] <seth> Gog,  doesn't hurt to have scheduled update searching.
[10:46] <seth> Be back in a few. Need nicotine.
[10:46] <Gog> fair enough, thanks
[10:47] <Echelon-H> does the livecd comes with x-chat / firefox / c++ / php?
[10:47] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  yes yes dunno dunno
[10:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, do u have adsl?
[10:48] <Blastur> hi! how can I get mp3 and movies going in Ubuntu? Totem movie player says it doesn't have the necessary decoders, same with mp3s.. i tried installing XMMS for mp3s, but that won't play anything either, i don't even get an error message when i hit the play button, but no sound comes out. I'm sure the system sound works, cause i (for example) here various warning sounds as i type in incorrect passwords or navigate the menues
[10:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, or cable?
[10:48] <drcodedd2> hi akk
[10:48] <drcodedd2> all
[10:48] <Echelon-H> or a machine gun :P?
[10:48] <drcodedd2> any one mybe know how I can convert in linux pdf into rtf format?
[10:48] <Echelon-H> j/k. But I just want to know,.
[10:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, with adsl i've had issues connecting with pppoe on live cds, but with cable u should be connected at startup
[10:49] <yahalom> lol
[10:49] <Echelon-H> hmmm.
[10:49] <eyequeue> Blastur:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Restrictedformats
[10:49] <eyequeue> Blastur:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:49] <Echelon-H> My aDSL ia PPPoE one, But I am using a router and a netowrk, I dont think I should have a problem.
[10:50] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  the router handles the ppoe?  so you just need ethernet support?
[10:51] <yahalom> Echelon-H, router router or ur talking about ur basic wow router?
[10:51] <Echelon-H> uuh yeah I guess
[10:51] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  and dhcp3-client heh
[10:51] <Echelon-H> no no, router router.
[10:51] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ah ok
[10:52] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  livecd has a dhcp client, but you can configure a static ip if you like too
[10:52] <Echelon-H> so will the internet work or not? because it's based on DHCP I think
[10:52] <Echelon-H> nah, ill pass.
[10:52] <eyequeue> Echelon-H: you should be fine, and probably auto-configured even
[10:52] <seth> Is there a command to do a "pretend" apt-get to see what packages will be installed? Or perhaps a way to search for a package name?
[10:53] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  i was surprised at first how simple it all was, even with my wireless-g onboard wifi in the laptop
[10:53] <eyequeue> seth:  --no-act
[10:53] <seth> Thanks eyequeue.
[10:53] <eyequeue> seth:  apt-cache search foo
[10:53] <Echelon-H> 35% of the liveCD is ready.
[10:53] <Echelon-H> :P
[10:54] <Kimppa> Hi. For some reason the text font in some software are way too big. For example in dcgui-qt the text fonts were "normal" but after an update they were awfully big. I was wondering if there is some setting in ubuntu that defines the font size
[10:54] <liable> Kimppa: get the x thing fixed?
[10:55] <yahalom> Echelon-H, most israelis seem to use kde, so u might want to look at kubuntu live cd too
[10:55] <Echelon-H> Acctualy I used gnome in my FC2 and it was fine./
[10:56] <eyequeue> yahalom:  i think he's on dialup though?
[10:56] <yahalom> Echelon-H, then again kde is available full in hebrew
[10:56] <Echelon-H> But what is more "heavy", gnome or kde?
[10:56] <seth> Does anyone know of any good VNC viewers? I don't need a server, just a viewer.
[10:56] <yahalom> eyequeue, adsl
[10:56] <yahalom> oh right
[10:56] <yahalom> Echelon-H, kde is much heavier
[10:56] <eyequeue> yahalom:  ah, i must have blurred him with someone else
[10:56] <holycow> anyone else get errors logging in to the canadian ubuntu repositories?
[10:57] <Kimppa> liable: reinstalled the entire os
[10:57] <eyequeue> yahalom:  oh duh, he was just talking about pppoe outside the router and dhcp inside, my bad
[10:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, gnome is nice and simple...very fast too. rarely crashes, if ever.
[10:57] <liable> Kimppa: :(
[10:57] <seth> Nevermind, I got it.
[10:57] <seth> xvncviewer.
[10:57] <yahalom> eyequeue, many questions flying around ;)
[10:57] <Kimppa> liable: I remove everything that was just possible and then reinstalled X, but it didn't help
[10:57] <eyequeue> it's about 0500 here, that's my excuse
[10:58] <Kimppa> so I just backuped my settings and re-installed the entire os
[10:59] <Echelon-H> k then
[10:59] <Echelon-H> the live CD comes with default of gnome or kde or what?
[10:59] <seth> Alright, the misses wants me to lay down with her for a little while, so I'll be back later guys. Thanks for the help.
[10:59] <yahalom> Echelon-H, use Gnome. If u find that gnome is too heavy too, or u just prefer lighter then get xfce4, if u want even lighter then get fluxbox. ubuntu doesnt have an xfce live cd, so if u want to see what xfce would look like try xfld http://www.xfld.org/Xfld/en/xfld.html just to get an idea, then u can get it from synaptic or apt.
[11:00] <kzm> Hi!  Anybody run ubuntu with a prism54 wifi card?
[11:00] <kzm> (or is it too early in the morning/late in the evening :-)
[11:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, for fluxbox get Damn Small Linux http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[11:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, gnome
[11:01] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ubuntu=gnome kubuntu=kde www.kubuntu.org
[11:01] <Echelon-H> lol Damn small linux
[11:01] <Echelon-H> but anyways first of all I'll try the live cd with gnome, then I'll see if it's heavy or not.
[11:01] <yahalom> Echelon-H, check out http://ubuntulinux.org.il/Wiki/
[11:02] <Echelon-H> COs my FC2 just always stuck at some point. and it kinda sucked.
[11:02] <yahalom> Echelon-H, thats where the hebrews hang out
[11:02] <Echelon-H> oooh, nice
[11:02] <yahalom> Echelon-H, although its new so u probably will find more help at the ubuntuforums.org
[11:03] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i switched to ubuntu from fc3
[11:03] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i havent had any problems with ubuntu. i had a few issues with kde, but i think that is kde related
[11:03] <Echelon-H> fc2 kidna sucked at my comp, sry.
[11:04] <Echelon-H> I think my problems were at the system itself, it had all sorts of problems.
[11:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, no offense taken
[11:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, didnt make it
[11:04] <Echelon-H> heheh
[11:04] <npiv> Where is it set up that rc2.d is loaded by default? Id like to be able to set up GRUB so I could choose between going into init 2 or init 3  , is thta feasible ?
[11:04] <IIIEars> FC# - was a large install - one CD is enough
[11:04] <yahalom> Echelon-H, there is also #ubuntu-il but its empty
[11:05] <yahalom> IIIEars, lol once i selected everything in fc3. it took hours.
[11:05] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ubuntu is by far the most impressive install
[11:06] <Echelon-H> which means? I get to see a movie while it insatlls :P?
[11:06] <yahalom> Echelon-H, at first the servers were also really fast. i used to get 300kb/s. now there are many users, which is good in another sense.
[11:06] <Echelon-H> im dling at 192kb
[11:06] <Echelon-H> Which is the max cap of my pack :)
[11:06] <IIIEars> yahalom - torrents are fast! fast! fast!
[11:07] <yahalom> Echelon-H, not it means, that if u got to the bathroom, it might  be done when u come back. then again that is relative.
[11:07] <yahalom> IIIEars, never used torrentsd
[11:07] <Echelon-H> well it depends how mcuh stuff you install
[11:07] <Echelon-H> but i've heard that it's uber-fast :P
[11:08] <yahalom> Echelon-H, its not like fedora, u dont choose things. it comes the way it is. unless u go out of ur way to use server install.
[11:08] <Echelon-H> oh...
[11:08] <Echelon-H> Well then, it depends how long you bath.
[11:08] <Echelon-H> :P
[11:09] <yahalom> Echelon-H, but once ur online, u can install tons of stuff
[11:09] <yahalom> through apt or synaptic
[11:09] <npiv> is there an advanced channel ?
[11:09] <Echelon-H> w00t X_X... 191 kb/s
[11:09] <MobyTurbo> even before you're online some packages are ready to install without downloading
[11:10] <npiv> I didnt realise this was the   recruitment channel , my bad ;)
[11:10] <yahalom> true
[11:11] <yahalom> Echelon-H, what mirror u using?
[11:11] <kestas> npiv: this is the advanced channel
[11:11] <kestas> anyway which window manager does everyone like?
[11:12] <Nermal> metacity ?
[11:12] <kestas> hahah
[11:12] <yahalom> Echelon-H, if u using the defaults its probably in the US and its about 2am if not later on a tuesday night, so it should be fast
[11:12] <count0nz> e17 :)
[11:12] <npiv> kestas - Great, can you tell me where rc2.d is defined as the default runlevel, and if its possible to set up grub to load into rc2 or rc3 ?
[11:12] <kestas> ooh npiv thats sooo complicated, youre blowing my mind
[11:12] <kestas> and I was jokings
[11:12] <kestas> *joking
[11:12] <kestas> hence why I asked what everyones favourite wm was right after
[11:13] <MobyTurbo> npiv, /etc/inittab controls the default runlevels.
[11:13] <kestas> and whats rc2?
[11:13] <npiv> MobyTurbo, sweet thanks
[11:13] <kestas> but anyway its
[11:13] <kestas> kernel = /boot/kernel-whatever 3
[11:13] <kestas> or 2
[11:13] <kestas> or whatever runlevel
[11:14] <kestas> not =
[11:14] <kestas> kernel /boot/kernel 3
[11:14] <npiv> hmm the number after, let me go chekc that kestas
[11:14] <IIIEars> Is "swappiness" worth adjusting from the default?
[11:15] <kestas> depends how much ram and how fast a hdd youve got IIIEars
[11:15] <Echelon-H> Im using germany mirror yahalom
[11:15] <IIIEars> 512/60g 7200
[11:15] <kestas> but usually no
[11:15] <Drako60> if i'm a whats supposed to be a 32bit chroot and do uname -a, would it display i386 which is the chroot or amd64 which is the system
[11:15] <npiv> kestas Theres no 2 in my grub/menu.lst :(
[11:15] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ah ok. switzerland is also fast
[11:16] <kestas> npiv: why would there be?
[11:16] <npiv> because thats what you just said
[11:17] <npiv> kernel /boot/kernel n
[11:17] <Drako60> isn't 2 the default runlevel?
[11:17] <kestas> I said if you wanted to change runlevel from the default
[11:17] <MobyTurbo> npiv, why do you want to change the run level? Run levels play a different role in Debian and its derivitives than most other distros.
[11:17] <kestas> npiv is trying to make me look like an idiot
[11:17] <kestas> dont worry just wait a while
[11:17] <kestas> I do it fine by myself
[11:17] <Drako60> or is default runlevel 5
[11:17] <Burgundavia> Drako60, 2
[11:17] <kestas> I thought it was 4
[11:17] <kestas> that must be freebsd
[11:18] <kestas> no wait
[11:18] <Burgundavia> Drako60, you can find out by typing 'runlevel'
[11:18] <npiv> MobyTurbo, I want to be able to choose from grub if I boot into X or if I just run a server conf
[11:18] <MobyTurbo> the default is 2, graphical or text boot, it's still 2.
[11:18] <npiv> if I cant do that I at least wanna have a different runlevel available with less services
[11:18] <yahalom> ok take care all
[11:18] <Drako60> npiv, there should already be a safemode boot which is single user
[11:19] <yahalom> Echelon-H, yallah bye
[11:19] <MobyTurbo> npiv, you'll need to manually change services in the run levels, though maybe just changing gdm to not run in your non-graphical runlevel will be enough.
[11:19] <npiv> Drako60, yes a singleuser server ;)
[11:19] <MobyTurbo> npiv, man update-rc.d
[11:20] <npiv> MobyTurbo - Ill give it a shot, What I really wanted to know though was if I could define the runlevel from grub
[11:20] <liable> npiv: apeend 'linux single' to kernel line
[11:21] <kestas> liable: just single
[11:21] <kestas> liable: and hes not trying to boot into single user mode
[11:21] <MobyTurbo> liable, yeah, that will change the run level, but I don't think he has single mode in mind.
[11:21] <npiv> in /grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <liable> I think both may work, but yeah
[11:21] <npiv> well I could tweak the singlemode
[11:21] <the_berzerker> hey guys i have two problems and need help
[11:21] <MobyTurbo> npiv, tweaking the single mode is a Bad Idea.
[11:21] <npiv> :) dont tempt me
[11:22] <npiv> why would it be bad you think ?
[11:22] <android> is it possible to install acroread-plugin while I have mozplugger installed?
[11:22] <the_berzerker> 1st: i have installed firestarter but when i log on it states that it can't run because i don't hae root privileges
[11:22] <kestas> sudo firestarter
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the_berzerker, it doesn't need to run in the default session
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the_berzerker, it just needs to run once to set up the firewall
[11:23] <MobyTurbo> npiv, single is the rescue mode, where the disk is mounted read-only ready for fsck and the like. Changing it into a normal runlevel means you have no way of fixing a disk that needs to be fsck'd.
[11:23] <IIIEars> does the sudoers file change if firestarter starts?
[11:23] <the_berzerker> oh so once setup i don't need to run it again?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the_berzerker, correct, it starts the firewall for you
[11:24] <npiv> MobyTurbo - fair enough, I guess Ill just set up a server then, and make startx load up gnome,
[11:24] <MobyTurbo> npiv, also it is the level I think that runs before the others - which means it will break some higher run levels.
[11:24] <ukh> any ubuntu:er that can confirm that warty supports the i915?
[11:24] <kestas> npiv: if youre running a server x isnt such a good idea
[11:24] <MobyTurbo> npiv, that's probably a good idea. :)
[11:24] <kestas> npiv: at least if youre running it in a hostile environment
[11:25] <the_berzerker> to the second problem then from time to time when i log on it takes a lot of time to start my applets on my panel (i'm using gnome) and some pop ups appear saying that there is a problem with each applet and if i want to delete it or nor
[11:25] <npiv> kestas - its relative, its a server for my purposes, and I would only run startx when Im around, I dotn have choice its server/Desktop . Its not gonna be used in any huge enviroment
[11:26] <kestas> npiv: if you dont mind the security risk of having memory directly accessible, and some extra suid stuff then its fine
[11:26] <kestas> npiv: just not good practice
[11:26] <kestas> usually
[11:26] <npiv> kestas - ok its not a huge server its for my purposes, and im very aware of the risks
[11:27] <kestas> okay
[11:27] <the_berzerker> has anyone encountered a similar problem?
[11:27] <kestas> the_berzerker: nope, you should look for a gnome panel log file
[11:27] <the_berzerker> kestas: where is it located
[11:28] <kestas> the_berzerker: not sure if it exists, let alone where its located
[11:28] <seth> I hate people who leave themselves logged onto AIM 24/7 and never put up an away message.
[11:28] <kestas> seth: but when you do that you can pretend like youre not there
[11:28] <seth> It makes you wonder if they are actually there or not, and when they don't answer an IM, if they are ignoring you or not.
[11:29] <kestas> exactly, if you let everyone know whether youre away or not youve got to respond to your friends girlfriend even though you hate her
[11:29] <kestas> much better to be online 24/7
[11:29] <seth> kestas,  you know me all to well.
[11:29] <sjmorgan> can somebody please tell me which package the "fixed" X font is contained in?
[11:30] <seth> There is this guy I know, who is really nice, and a good friend, but I can NOT stand his girlfriend. She is annoying, and talks through her nose.
[11:30] <sjmorgan> X is giving me errors that it can't find it when gdm tries to start
[11:30] <kestas> yeah and you cant block her
[11:30] <the_berzerker> another one when starting the daemons i see the following error : VFS no Ext3 partition on hda1 (or somethin like that)
[11:30] <seth> She always IMs me and I tell her I'm working on a project or was just heading out.
[11:30] <the_berzerker> how can i fix this
[11:30] <sjmorgan> i've done a search on packages.debian.org with no luck
[11:30] <seth> kestas,  of course not.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, you running Breezy?
[11:30] <sjmorgan> Burgundavia: yup
[11:31] <kestas> the_berzerker: just ignore it
[11:31] <kestas> the_berzerker: I get that one too
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, is currentlyl broken for everybody
[11:31] <sjmorgan> shit
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, there might be a fix on the forum
[11:31] <the_berzerker> kestas: k mate thanx,
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sjmorgan, don't worry, all the developers machines are broken too, so they are fixing it
[11:31] <sjmorgan> well thanks for enlightening me
[11:31] <sjmorgan> cool
[11:31] <chocoIate> hi everybody :P
[11:31] <sjmorgan> hi
[11:32] <sjmorgan> oh well
[11:32] <sjmorgan> at least it gives me a reason to boot windows and install pandora tomorrow
[11:32] <kestas> ubuntu is making me want to buy an african drum
[11:32] <seth> So, I'm guessing that everyone in here uses GNOME?
[11:32] <sjmorgan> i do
[11:33] <seth> If you guys don't mind me asking, what do you use to play MP3s?
[11:33] <kestas> xmms
[11:33] <sjmorgan> beep media player
[11:33] <Gog> kestas: improvise by skinning a cat and lashing the fur to a waste paper basket...
[11:33] <jsgotangco> mp3123
[11:33] <IIIEars> << XMMS
[11:33] <chocoIate> ok so after many days of tearing my hairs out and i'm a linux noob, atm i'm still on my winxp and still unable to get my modem working. here is a link i found to a linux driver made to work for my modem -->> http://www.sm56.tk/ however it seems its a redhat linux package or am i supposed to take the binaries and build it myself, i do not know and i cannot perform this step either since its a bit over my head, can anybody help :P
[11:33] <Burgundavia> seth, muine
[11:33] <kestas> ah I could save money doing it that way thanks Gog :)
[11:33] <kestas> now to find a cat
[11:33] <Gog> :)
[11:34] <sjmorgan> i would use rhythmbox but it's hella broken on my machine
[11:34] <kestas> chocoIate: easy way is to get a linux modem
[11:34] <sjmorgan> lots of alsa stuff is though
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i mean mpg321
[11:34] <sjmorgan> except bmp
[11:35] <chocoIate> yes, i'd still like to keep my modem temporarily and see if i can get it working, as you can see they already have a driver for linux
[11:35] <seth> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/screenshots/ross-desktop.png
[11:35] <rudi1234> moin gimpel so frh schon wach? ;)
[11:35] <seth> What window border is that?
[11:36] <chocoIate> well :o
[11:36] <kestas> gimpel?
[11:36] <kestas> a gimp question?
[11:36] <rudi1234> sry wron window ;)
[11:37] <rudi1234> +g
[11:38] <npiv> I think he said my pimple is not what it seems
[11:38] <npiv> but I could be mistaken
[11:39] <BBurger> how do I install/add TrueType fonts in Ubuntu? Got a folderful of XP refugees that I'd like to put to work!
[11:39] <npiv> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976&highlight=clear+type+font    <-- a Great HOWTO
[11:39] <mindspin> gimpel are living in zamonia
[11:40] <ukh> chocoIate: well, allthough you *might* be able to get it to work, I'd just go buy a trusty old serial 56k modem.  it's just a waste of time (and hair) getting it to work
[11:40] <npiv> BBurger - theres a specific example for verdana
[11:40] <kestas> can you use usb modems in linux and windows?
[11:40] <kestas> the same usb modem I mean
[11:41] <thenuke> kestas: depends on the modem
[11:41] <kestas> thenuke: can you recommend one?
[11:41] <thenuke> linux does not have support as good as windows has for usb modems
[11:41] <thenuke> I dont know any but I could try googling for something :P
[11:41] <chocoIate> atm i got two modems hooked up here already, one is an internal modem and this is the driver -->> http://www.sm56.tk/ and the other is an external ISDN modem and in my device manager in linux i see it as Vigor 128 ISDN TA
[11:41] <BBurger> npiv: thanks, will have a read. keep forgetting about the U Forums!
[11:41] <thenuke> kestas: do you need dialup modem or adsl-modem or what?
[11:41] <chocoIate> though i know i do not have a Vigor 128 ISDN but a PSION GOLD Port ISDN modem
[11:42] <npiv> BBurger - np I just set it up last night, looks great ;)
[11:42] <kestas> thenuke: dialup
[11:42] <thenuke> kestas: okey. Are you sure you need usb-modem?
[11:42] <chocoIate> my modems are listed properly in the device manager, both modems, though the ISDN is listed as something else
[11:42] <IIIEars> firestarter ignores the settings and closes when the terminal closes?
[11:42] <kestas> nope, I just want one that both linux and windows can use
[11:42] <IIIEars> Why is that?
[11:42] <thenuke> kestas: some internal might be better, but not all ;)
[11:42] <kestas> one that they can all use would be good
[11:42] <hayden> i followed ubuntuguide.org but apache isnt dealing with php files properly
[11:43] <hayden> any ideas
[11:43] <kestas> my logic was that usb modems would have a common protocol or something like that
[11:43] <npiv> whats not properly ?
[11:43] <npiv> whats happening  hayden
[11:43] <blastermaster> chocolate the driver is for kernels 2.4 and wont work with kernel 2.6 sorry
[11:43] <kestas> ah thats bad luck
[11:44] <BBurger> npiv: actually, all I want to do is have my TT fonts available, eg for OpenOffice. I don't really want them used as system fonts - the defaults in Hoary are OK.
[11:44] <chocoIate> he does recommend how to run on other kernels here -->> http://www.sm56.tk/
[11:45] <kestas> is there such a thing a serial-tv to av cable?
[11:45] <UnreA|L> How change screen resoliution with console
[11:45] <UnreA|L> ?
[11:45] <chocoIate> i just haven zero experience with building binaries, this is my first time on linux :P
[11:45] <briza> how can i play quick time movies in console? where to get the codecs from? mplayer -vo fbdev2 something.avi it works , but vmw doesn't play
[11:45] <kestas> UnreA|L: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:45] <herpes> hayden, do you have the apache php library installed?
[11:45] <kestas> briza: go to the mplayer website
[11:45] <kestas> briza: they will have a codec pack
[11:45] <kestas> didnt i tell you this earlier?
[11:46] <briza> kestas thanks
[11:46] <hayden> herpes: whats that?
[11:46] <hayden> npiv: firefox tries to dload the .php files
[11:47] <herpes> hayden, libapache2-mod-php4
[11:47] <UnreA|L> kestas, you from lt ?
[11:48] <hayden> herpes: it says its already installed
[11:48] <kestas> UnreA|L: two of my grandparents were lt
[11:48] <herpes> has anyone seen the new star wars? apparently r2d2 has a good line..
[11:48] <kestas> and I have an lt name
[11:48] <kestas> you?
[11:48] <npiv> yeah and queen amidala gets naked
[11:48] <kestas> lol heatxsink
[11:48] <npiv> I cant wait
[11:48] <thenuke> herpes: it's premier is tonight
[11:48] <kestas> *herpes
[11:48] <thenuke> herpes: going to see it
[11:48] <kestas> damn tab completion
[11:49] <kestas> dont thenuke
[11:49] <kestas> it will be terrible
[11:49] <herpes> not likely
[11:49] <kestas> likely
[11:49] <kestas> have you seen the first two?
[11:49] <thenuke> I have, yes
[11:49] <kestas> george lucas described it as a 'tear jerker'
[11:49] <kestas> 'tear jerker' star wars
[11:49] <kestas> nuff said
[11:49] <thenuke> regarding to imdb, it's a lot better than the first ones
[11:49] <herpes> no one got it..
[11:50] <kestas> got what?
[11:50] <kestas> got the movie? no I think a load of 12 year old kids did
[11:50] <herpes> the joke...r2d2 apparently having a good line...
[11:50] <kestas> no I got it
[11:50] <kestas> lol heatxsink
[11:50] <kestas> damn tab completion
[11:51] <kestas> *herpes
[11:51] <heatxsink_> he?
[11:51] <heatxsink_> hahaha
[11:51] <heatxsink_> heheheheh
[11:51] <heatxsink_> woohoo I finally got LIRC working
[11:51] <heatxsink_> dman!
[11:52] <eater773> need help ....
[11:52] <seth> Damn, my MP3s keep skipping every so often...
[11:52] <kestas> seth: in what?
[11:53] <seth> Like, the system kind of locks up and the sound loops, then it stops and works fine.
[11:53] <eater773> pls. i need help..
[11:53] <kestas> eater773: tell us your problem dont whinge
[11:53] <kestas> or whatever the word is for what youre doing
[11:53] <seth> kestas,  I've tried XMMS and now I'm using Rhythmbox.
[11:53] <briza> hi , got a question, what does /bin/env ? i read the man page but i dont understand much of it's function
[11:53] <kestas> seth: does it do it in xmms?
[11:53] <seth> kestas,  yeah.
[11:53] <eater773> i have two lancard ... 1st for the internet.. 2nd for network
[11:53] <seth> That was why I asked what people used to listen to MP3s.
[11:53] <kestas> seth: using the esd output plugin?
[11:54] <eater773> problem how can i browse others in the network.. internet ok..
[11:54] <kestas> briza: I think it just shows all environment variables
[11:54] <seth> kestas,  no OSS.
[11:54] <kestas> seth: does it do it when you use esd?
[11:54] <eater773> sorry guys... newbie for ubuntu...
[11:54] <kestas> eater773: you have a netmask problem
[11:54] <seth> We are about to find out kestas.
[11:55] <eater773> kindly explain in layman termrs
[11:55] <herpes> seth, could be a buggy bios power management thingee
[11:55] <seth> kestas,  yeah happens with ESD.
[11:55] <kestas> when you get info from the net your web browser says to mr kernel "which nic should I use?"
[11:55] <seth> herpes,  BIOS power management causing sound to loop?
[11:55] <kestas> it looks at the netmask to find out
[11:55] <eater773> when i install ubuntu... can't configure those two lancard... so i set it up manually...
[11:55] <kestas> eater773: show us ifconfig
[11:55] <kestas> type ifconfig
[11:56] <kestas> and show us the output
[11:56] <kestas> paste it into pastebin.com
[11:56] <kestas> seth: hmmm
[11:56] <kestas> weird problem
[11:56] <kestas> but not uncommon I dont think
[11:56] <chocoIate> fine, where do i find a list of linmodems
[11:56] <kestas> given up choc?
[11:56] <kestas> :)
[11:56] <chocoIate> what modems are supported properly under linux
[11:56] <herpes> seth, could be if it happens randomly, weird things are happening with my box and sound some times it works others it loops and the crashes everything
[11:56] <eater773> how will i do it..
[11:56] <chocoIate> what can i do :P
[11:57] <kestas> eater773: type ifconfig in a gnome terminal
[11:57] <chocoIate> i cant give up on linux simply because i purchased ms specific hardware :P
[11:57] <kestas> and copy and paste it into pastebin.com
[11:57] <eater773> looking for the gnome terminal..pls. wait..
[11:57] <kestas> seth: using the esd plugin
[11:57] <kestas> seth: go into configure
[11:57] <seth> herpes,  never thought BIOS power management would mess with sound looping. I could understand if I was running on battery, but I'm plugged into the A/C.
[11:57] <kestas> seth: and turn the buffer up
[11:57] <kestas> seth: and the % buffered
[11:58] <kestas> eater773: Applications>system tools>root terminal
[11:58] <seth> How high up should I put the buffer size? 4000?
[11:58] <kestas> hmm not sure, put it up real high
[11:58] <kestas> try 10000
[11:58] <kestas> ten seconds of buffer that should be
[11:58] <seth> I put it to 6600./
[11:58] <kestas> okay
[11:58] <kestas> put the % up to 50
[11:59] <kestas> I dunno what that does
[11:59] <kestas> but turn it up
[11:59] <kestas> and try an mp3
[11:59] <seth> Am doing right now.
[11:59] <seth> So far so good.
[11:59] <seth> I've just been letting them play.
[11:59] <seth> BT - Communicate. Good song.
[11:59] <kestas> all music is rubbish imho
[12:00] <kestas> some is just more rubbish than other
[12:00] <seth> ALL music?
[12:00] <eater773> where will i paste ....
[12:00] <eater773> where will i paste it....
[12:00] <kestas> eater773: pastebin.com
[12:00] <Seveas> ding-dong
[12:00] <Seveas> goodmorning :)
[12:00] <kestas> morning
[12:01] <seth> Top of the morning to ya.
[12:01] <kestas> seth: if it still hasnt skipped try doing some system intensive stuff
[12:01] <seth> Yeah it hasn't am I am.
[12:01] <Echelon-H> Hi, I seem to have problems with the LiveCD, can anyone help me?
[12:01] <seth> Oh, there it went!
[12:01] <kestas> seth: and check out hdparm to see if your hdd is slow
[12:02] <eater773> where can i locate pastebin.com.....
[12:02] <Echelon-H> www.rafb.net?
[12:02] <kestas> I dont know, america probably
[12:02] <eater773> pls... just need ur help guys..
[12:03] <kestas> pastebin.com
[12:03] <kestas> its a url?
[12:03] <seth> kestas,  can I send this to you in a private chat?
[12:03] <kestas> put it an a web browser
[12:03] <kestas> seth: k
[12:03] <clsk> eLLo
[12:03] <briza> got a problem, if i run #clear i get TERM enviroment variable not set
[12:03] <briza> how can i set that?
[12:03] <clsk> How good is unbut's support for wireless network card?
[12:03] <_simple> hmm why do i get this when trying to ./configure alsa? x: Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[12:03] <_simple> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[12:03] <_simple> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[12:04] <_simple> it's not so bad clsk, mad help on them
[12:04] <Seveas> briza, export TERM=xterm
[12:04] <_simple> what's your specific card?
[12:04] <Seveas> clsk, fairly good
[12:04] <clsk> I
[12:04] <briza> Seveas like in set TERM=xterm?
[12:04] <clsk> I
[12:04] <clsk> erm
[12:04] <eater773> i done it.... thanks... so what next...
[12:04] <clsk> I'll find out.
[12:04] <clsk> One sec.
[12:04] <_simple> yeah you should do that
[12:04] <Echelon-H> Hmmmm I operate the LiveCD and my Ubuntu is VERY slow, can anyone help me?
[12:04] <_simple> take two seconds if you need them
[12:04] <_simple> yeah dont' use the live cd
[12:05] <_simple> get a faster cd drive
[12:05] <edylie> ubuntu rocks!
[12:05] <lesshaste> anyone know how to copy mail from an mbox file to an IMAP account? (I only have normal IMAP access not a shell account)?
[12:05] <briza> Seveas if i do set | grep TERM i get TERM=dumb
[12:05] <Seveas> briza, export TERM=xterm is for bourne shell compatible shells (sh, bash, ksh) setenv TERM vt100 (without the =) is for csh and tcsh
[12:05] <Seveas> briza, which terminal emulator are you using?
[12:05] <briza> Seveas k thanks
[12:05] <_simple> i'm sure there are boot "cheats" Echelon-H  you can do those
[12:05] <clsk> Atheros AR5001X+
[12:05] <clsk> That's it.
[12:05] <Seveas> clsk, works like a charm
[12:05] <_simple> like if you have alot of ram atleast a gig, you can laod it all to the ram shouldnt' be too bad
[12:06] <Seveas> these words come to you via an atheros wifi card :)
[12:06] <lesshaste> or from one IMAP account to another?
[12:06] <clsk> hehe
[12:06] <Tallia1> hi guys... can you tell me what's the name of the best multimedia player in linux?!?
[12:06] <clsk> Thank you.
[12:06] <Tallia1> tnx, andrea
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, whatever is best for you
[12:06] <Seveas> Tallia1, that's a matter of opinion :)
[12:06] <_simple> yeah, linksys wrt54g here
[12:06] <Tallia1> :)
[12:06] <_simple> and linksys sucks balls
[12:06] <_simple> all together
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, by default, rhythmbox and totema re installed
[12:06] <Seveas> vlc, totem, xine, mplayer, muine
[12:06] <eater773> kestas ... u still there ??
[12:06] <kestas> hi
[12:06] <Tallia1> i don't have totem
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, also try out muine, xine, gxine, xmms
[12:06] <kestas> _simple: you need to install kernel-sources
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, movie player
[12:07] <kestas> _simple: you need to install linux-sources that is
[12:07] <Seveas> Burgundavia, s/xmms/beep-media-player/
[12:07] <Echelon-H> Dude, I got the latest NEC drive, there can't be better drive than that.
[12:07] <Seveas> :)
[12:07] <eater773> kestas... what my next move...
[12:07] <Echelon-H> Why is it so slow?
[12:07] <kestas> eater773: give us the pastebin.com url
[12:07] <_simple> because you're running and os from a cd..
[12:07] <briza> Seveas thanks , #clear works now , and where are all those variables stored, in what file(s) ?
[12:07] <Tallia1> and a music player that is compatible with the creative zen!?
[12:07] <count0nz> hes at http://pastebin.com/285999
[12:07] <_simple> obviously will be much faster installed
[12:07] <eater773> kestas.... http://pastebin.com/285999
[12:08] <Seveas> briza, depends on your terminal emulator and shell
[12:08] <Seveas> if you use a standard ubuntu setup this should work from start, dunno about kubuntu
[12:08] <briza> Seveas im using BASH
[12:08] <Seveas> briza, and which terminal emulator? gnome-terminal, xterm, konsole?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, http://www.linux.ie/articles/tutorials/zen.php
[12:09] <kestas> eater773: and what prob are you having again?
[12:09] <Seveas> Echelon-H, dma?
[12:09] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, look for gnomad in the repos
[12:09] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, it should work
[12:09] <eater773> browsing other in network ....
[12:09] <hayden> whats the easiest way to install an ftp server so i can copy files to /var/www ?
[12:09] <kestas> eater773: what happens when you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:09] <edylie> apt-get install proftpd
[12:10] <edylie> hayden you could use scp.
[12:10] <kestas> (the IP of another comp in your network)?
[12:10] <Seveas> hayden, that sounds illogical, what do you want to do?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, install that and just connect the device, ignore what the webpage tells you
[12:10] <Tallia1> tnz again andrea......:) :-*
[12:10] <lesshaste> http://migrationtool.sourceforge.net/ seems to do the trick
[12:10] <Seveas> argh
[12:10] <hayden> Seveas: how does copying files to a web server sounds illogical?
[12:10] <hayden> sound*
[12:10] <briza> Seveas xterm
[12:10] <eater773> eth1 is VIA buildin - internet ... eth0 - D-link network.... pinging <IP_ADDRESS> is for router on a linksys
[12:10] <edylie> ubuntu rocks
[12:10] <edylie> i am in love with it
[12:10] <edylie> hhahahaha
[12:10] <kestas> eater773: ping another comp on your network
[12:11] <kestas> ah wait
[12:11] <Seveas> briza, try gnome-terminal and see if you need to do that export trick too
[12:11] <kestas> no dont wiat
[12:11] <kestas> eater773: ping another comp on your network
[12:11] <hayden> Seveas?
[12:11] <eater773> ok... i will try...
[12:11] <Tallia1> i'm trying
[12:11] <Seveas> hayden, well, ftp servers are meant for transferring across a network where your question looked like you wanted to transfer files locally :)
[12:11] <Seveas> hayden, but scp / sftp is better (secure)
[12:11] <hayden> duh
[12:12] <Burgundavia> Tallia1, is it working?
[12:12] <briza> Seveas well im using BASH and the emulator is xterm
[12:12] <Tallia1> i don't know..!!
[12:12] <flodine> a guys im trying to install a package and i did force new version but when i hit apply nothing happen whats wrong?
[12:12] <Tallia1> it's happening something strange..
[12:12] <Tallia1> the gnomad and totem windows are freeze both
[12:13] <Tallia1> why!?
[12:13] <Tallia1> but it isn't fault of gnomad ........ i'm sure..!!
[12:13] <flodine> anyone try forcing a new verion of a package before
[12:13] <briza> Seveas the man pages don't say much
[12:14] <eater773> pinging <IP_ADDRESS> - no reply....
[12:14] <kestas> 169??
[12:14] <kestas> why 169?
[12:14] <Seveas> briza, does it happen with other terminal emulators too?
[12:14] <kestas> I thought your lan was on 192?
[12:14] <flodine> ding dong anyone home
[12:14] <Taliesin`> 169.254 is a private ip range, which is genrealyl an IP u get when a DHCP fails to give you an IP
[12:14] <Taliesin`> or rather
[12:14] <Taliesin`> their is no DHCP
[12:14] <kestas> flodine: man dpkg
[12:14] <eater773> 169--- network address... 192-internet router address...
[12:14] <kestas> probably has something on it
[12:14] <shinzui> hi all
[12:14] <Taliesin`> ho god
[12:15] <Taliesin`> i've never heard of anyone using 169.* for a network range before
[12:15] <Taliesin`> thats just.. evil :P
[12:15] <shinzui> i need some help ...
[12:15] <Taliesin`> 192.* mixed with 10.* yes.... but 169.* is just.. wrong! :)
[12:15] <kestas> 169 is class B Taliesin`
[12:15] <eater773> coz' some company set this thing up... so can u help me..
[12:15] <seth> On?
[12:15] <lesshaste> is it possible to script mutt or pine or something similar?
[12:15] <Taliesin`> (eater773): why dont you try changing the 169.* range to a 10.* range and see if your issue fixes up :)
[12:15] <briza> Seveas nope, now after doing the export TERM=xterm , /bin/bash clear works, but what i wanted to now i where does this export command exports things
[12:15] <kestas> Taliesin`: what??
[12:16] <kestas> eater773: if you change your network comps to 192 itll fix the problem
[12:16] <kestas> eater773: or if you change your router to 169
[12:16] <kestas> and your eth0 ip
[12:16] <Seveas> briza, only into memory :)
[12:16] <kestas> either will solve the problem
[12:16] <Seveas> briza, you can put that command in your ~/.bashrc if you want
[12:17] <Echelon-H> :(
[12:17] <briza> Seveas cool :)
[12:17] <Echelon-H> ain't it supposed to run fast?
[12:17] <flodine> kertas im trying to install a package from synaptic and it says a new version is out so now what
[12:17] <Burgundavia> flodine, which pacakge?
[12:17] <kestas> flodine: install the new version?
[12:17] <kestas> maybe?
[12:17] <flodine> fluxbox 9.13
[12:17] <Taliesin`> damnit, security.* adn backports.* are so sloow, are their any mirrors for those services?
[12:18] <kestas> Taliesin`: yeup and your encouraged to use em
[12:18] <kestas> Taliesin`: see if your isp mirrors it
[12:18] <kestas> Taliesin`: and failing that use your local countrys mirror
[12:18] <Burgundavia> flodine, currently hoary is frozen. the new version is only going to enter breezy
[12:18] <kestas> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <kestas> or something
[12:18] <Taliesin`> lol
[12:18] <Seveas> kestas, there are no mirrors for security afaik
[12:18] <Taliesin`> I am an ISP
[12:19] <Seveas> and there are none for backports for sure
[12:19] <flodine> noway
[12:19] <kestas> Seveas: my isp mirrors security
[12:19] <Seveas> backports are icky...
[12:19] <Seveas> kestas, ah :)
[12:19] <kestas> Seveas: probably a bad idea getting security from my isp
[12:19] <Taliesin`> infact i run one of the ubuntu mirrors :P i jsut didnt think security and backports were allowed to be mirrord :)
[12:19] <kestas> Seveas: but meh :)
[12:19] <flodine> then it time for ubuntu to go by by
[12:19] <Seveas> Taliesin`, backports isn't an official ubuntu project
[12:19] <Taliesin`> ahh ok
[12:19] <flodine> i cant get a new verion of a wm this sucks
[12:19] <Taliesin`> however security is, dont suppose they have a wiki entry on what server to mirror from do they? :)
[12:20] <Kimppa> Hi. When I start dcgui-qt, everything works fine. But when I restart it, it's all f*ed up, meaning all the icons are missing, font's are correct and all settings are missing. The only way to get it back to the way it was, is to delete the .dc/ folder - but that means I can never restart dc, but some options require a restart. Anyone have ideas what may be causing this - or how to fix it?
[12:20] <Seveas> Taliesin`, use the search my friend :)
[12:20] <Taliesin`> so i can set it up on the mirror I run :)
[12:20] <Burgundavia> flodine, hoary is now stable. New version might cause all kinds of bugs
[12:20] <Taliesin`> search hates me and crashes firefox (evil?)
[12:20] <flodine> omg
[12:20] <Taliesin`> even after lots of re-installs :P
[12:20] <Seveas> Taliesin`, ouch...
[12:20] <Seveas> s/lynx/links -g/ :)
[12:20] <Taliesin`> haha
[12:20] <Taliesin`> :)
[12:21] <Seveas> links -g rocks :)
[12:21] <kestas> if by rocks you mean sucks
[12:21] <kestas> then yes
[12:21] <kestas> "JavaScript error!"
[12:21] <kestas> "JavaScript error!"
[12:21] <kestas> bah
[12:21] <flodine> is there a way i can force a new verion
[12:22] <kestas> flodine: not without risking breakage
[12:22] <Seveas> flodine, you can try pinning and use the breezy package
[12:22] <Seveas> flodine, or install from source :)
[12:22] <kestas> flodine: but if youre feeling daring grab the deb
[12:22] <kestas> and man dpkg
[12:22] <flodine> ok
[12:22] <kestas> therell probably be an -f option
[12:22] <flodine> i feel risky
[12:22] <Burgundavia> flodine, breezy has .12
[12:23] <kestas> flodine: whats the latest fluxbox got?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> kestas, .13
[12:23] <Burgundavia> debian has .12
[12:23] <kestas> I mean what extra feature
[12:23] <kestas> I mean what extra features
[12:23] <Burgundavia> kestas, http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/version-0.9.php
[12:24] <kestas> thats the flashiest OSS website Ive ever seen
[12:24] <count0nz> i love how nz.archive.ubantu.org is in the uk :)
[12:25] <kestas> wow thats an ultra trendy looking fluxbox screenshot
[12:25] <kestas> too bad youve got to be 5mm from the monitor to read anything
[12:25] <seth> kestas,  sounds good so far.
[12:25] <seth> First thing I did was fire up XMMS.
[12:25] <Seveas> count0nz, a lot of $COUNTRYCODE.archive.ubuntu.com actually just point to archive.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <kestas> what did you disable?
[12:25] <kestas> in the bios?
[12:25] <Seveas> count0nz, that just means that there is no archive in that country yet
[12:25] <count0nz> Seveas, :) i go found a real ocal mirror
[12:25] <count0nz> :)
[12:26] <chocoIate> hwo do you know a modem is a linmodem, should i just buy any external modem on serial port ;-?
[12:26] <count0nz> Seveas, prob:)
[12:26] <seth> Power Management, along with docking options, since I don't have a docking station.
[12:26] <kestas> chocoIate: youll know if its a linmodem if its expensive and was hard to find
[12:26] <kestas> hmm
[12:27] <kestas> you should full gnome now
[12:27] <kestas> with power management still disable
[12:27] <kestas> then youll see if its power management
[12:27] <seth> kestas,  oh, I forgot to go into failsafe. I'm in full gnome.
[12:27] <npiv> is gnome-bittorrent any good or are there other programs that would be considerable faster ?
[12:27] <kestas> oh okay well there you go
[12:27] <count0nz> That Fluxbox is prettty tho
[12:27] <kestas> power management
[12:27] <kestas> you should now troubleshoot to find out what it is in power management thats messing it up
[12:28] <kestas> count0nz: not with those fonts
[12:28] <kestas> count0nz: too small
[12:28] <hayden> how do i change the domain of the computer e.g to WORKGROUP
[12:28] <kestas> hayden: /etc/domain
[12:28] <kestas> or something?
[12:28] <kestas> nm,
[12:28] <count0nz> :P
[12:29] <count0nz> Any repo's for gkrelm ?
[12:29] <kestas> count0nz: try gnome-system monitor first
[12:29] <kestas> for an integrated gtkrellm
[12:30] <Taliesin`> bah, even au.archive.ubuntu.com points to the main one :/
[12:30] <hayden> lol ok kestas
[12:30] <thenuke> http://www.deviantart.com/view/17908194/   made with MSPaint
[12:30] <Taliesin`> even thou i see a few repo's in australia :/
[12:30] <kestas> we need our repos
[12:30] <johnnybezak> hey hey
[12:31] <kestas> thenuke: I dont believe it
[12:31] <kestas> thenuke: that cant be paint
[12:31] <kestas> no way hosay
[12:31] <thenuke> kestas: look closely :) it's pretty clear then
[12:31] <thenuke> kestas: the details
[12:32] <kestas> hmm yeah actually
[12:32] <kestas> he just blurred it I think
[12:32] <thenuke> the one who made it has used paintshop to blur some things
[12:32] <kestas> k
[12:32] <npiv> Im dowloading a bittorrent and its slow as hell, I though this was highly praised because of its speed and all that crap ?
[12:32] <npiv> whats the deal
[12:32] <johnnybezak> npiv: its praised because its destributed
[12:32] <kestas> npiv: its fast if everyone has it
[12:33] <flodine> ok guys i really enjoyed ubuntu but if can get a simple wm thats not right
[12:33] <johnnybezak> npiv: it's only quick if lots of people have the torrent
[12:33] <kestas> npiv: but its usually damn slow :)
[12:33] <kestas> as is all p2p
[12:33] <seth> Damnit.
[12:33] <npiv> I see, well thats a shame
[12:33] <kestas> flodine: you can get it, you just ahve to compile it yourself
[12:33] <flodine> i got to wait on breezy
[12:33] <kestas> seth: skipping?
[12:33] <johnnybezak> flodine: whats the matter
[12:34] <seth> kestas,  no, not at all. My volume up/down buttons stopped working. The little applet that pops up at the bottom up the screen shows up, but it doesn't raise or lower the volume.
[12:34] <flodine> i tryed to run it with the debian package
[12:34] <johnnybezak> seth: what are you using?
[12:34] <flodine> it wont install
[12:34] <seth> johnnybezak,  what do you mean?
[12:34] <kestas> flodine: you using a --force parameter to dpkg like I said?
[12:34] <johnnybezak> seth: to use the volume buttons
[12:34] <kestas> or if not --force then whatever it says to use in man dpkg
[12:35] <seth> johnnybezak,  I set them through keyboard shortcuts. They were working about 5 minutes ago before I rebooted.
[12:35] <kestas> seth: can you change the vol in xmms?
[12:35] <johnnybezak> seth: haha my advice: if things are working don't reboot
[12:35] <flodine> how d i force install
[12:35] <seth> kestas,  using the slider, yes.
[12:35] <kestas> flodine: man dpkg for the fourth time
[12:35] <seth> Using the buttons, no.
[12:36] <_bob> is ahc_dv_0 in the process list my scsi driver?
[12:36] <kestas> seth: what about when you use the esd output plugin?
[12:36] <flodine> second time hello
[12:36] <seth> johnnybezak,  things weren't working. The buttons were, but my system was locking up for half a second every 5 seconds or so.
[12:36] <johnnybezak> seth: :P
[12:36] <seth> kestas,  nope. Still using the esd and the buttons still don't work.
[12:36] <kestas> phear
[12:36] <Tallia1> ;)
[12:36] <kestas> hmm
[12:37] <IIIEars> kestas - Newbs got you on the run? - I appreciate your help.   (hands over two aspirin)
[12:37] <kestas> Im gonna need something stronger IIIEars
[12:38] <seth> Also, for some reason, I can't add the volume control applet to the GNOME taskbar.
[12:38] <kestas> seth: okay
[12:38] <kestas> seth: hmm
[12:38] <seth> And if I do say so, that is pissing me off.
[12:38] <npiv> If I decide to stick out bittorrent for a while is there a better client than the default ?
[12:38] <kestas> so it plays using esd output?
[12:38] <kestas> but the gnome volume changer doesnt work?
[12:38] <BockBilbo> hello
[12:38] <seth> kestas,  yeah sound is working fine. Not skipping anymore at all.
[12:38] <seth> Exactly.
[12:39] <kestas> seth: try alsa output plugin
[12:39] <seth> The little window that shows the volume appears though.
[12:39] <BockBilbo> im in a hurry, ive just updated my breezy system, and it messed up my xserver configuration
[12:39] <BockBilbo> the xserver wont open now
[12:39] <BockBilbo> it says
[12:39] <kestas> seth: does the slider work or does it stay in one place?
[12:39] <kestas> seth: (for the gnome volume slider?)
[12:39] <IIIEars> npiv - open the torrent in another workspace and the client won't be in your way.
[12:39] <BockBilbo> "could not open default font "fixed" "
[12:39] <seth> kestas,  the applet that shows up?
[12:39] <we2by> fuck
[12:40] <we2by> I think some one get into my box
[12:40] <kestas> seth: the speaker thing on the gnome panel
[12:40] <kestas> seth: you click it and a slider appears, windows-style?
[12:40] <npiv> IIIEars - its not in my way It just seems limited , I have no way of seeign my total upload, somethng Id like to keep an eye on
[12:40] <BockBilbo> "Fatal server error.."
[12:40] <seth> kestas,  I just got done saying that it won't add itself to the panel.
[12:40] <BockBilbo> anyone has an idea of what happens?
[12:40] <kestas> ah right
[12:40] <kestas> hmm
[12:40] <BockBilbo> ..
[12:40] <IIIEars> 2nd tab in the small text on top
[12:41] <kestas> seth: maybe a reboot would be worth a shot?
[12:41] <we2by> does some one have this in their output when doing ps aux?
[12:41] <we2by> 101       6568  0.0  0.1   2252  1160 ?        Ss   May16   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-d
[12:41] <seth> kestas,  I just rebooted and it stopped working.
[12:41] <kestas> seth: maybe another reboot would make it start working then?
[12:41] <kestas> seth: worth a shot I guess
[12:41] <seth> kestas,  this isn't Windows, but I'll try it.
[12:41] <npiv> we2by, yes
[12:41] <kestas> seth: maybe just log in and out?
[12:42] <seth> I'll try a log out.
[12:42] <kestas> seth: I would sto-- bah
[12:42] <IIIEars> newbs like me need a windows restore partition "training wheels" - lol
[12:43] <vicks> is it just me, or is firefox leaking A LOT memory?
[12:43] <seth> There we go.
[12:43] <tarzeau2> can i learn more african words here?
[12:43] <IIIEars> wicks n here this morning had nearly 40 tabs open
[12:44] <seth> Anyone mind sharing screenshots of their desktop?
[12:44] <npiv> tarzeau2, yes, gobonto dimali' tsss kraksn popado ma' bo
[12:44] <tarzeau2> seth: www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png
[12:44] <IIIEars> "jambo" - means hello?
[12:44] <tarzeau2> seth: oh wait my isp broke
[12:44] <tarzeau2> npiv: adn that means?
[12:44] <vicks> in xp, i had these problems back in like 1.0.1, but over time the mwmoryproblems seems to have been fixed
[12:44] <seth> tarzeau2,  I see.
[12:45] <npiv> tarzeau2 - I have a big imagination :)
[12:45] <goldfish> seth: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/Screenshot-3.png
[12:45] <tarzeau2> goldfish: that's not UBUNTO!
[12:45] <vicks> with teo windoews open, and firefox running for 5 min, it eats 122 mb
[12:45] <tarzeau2> goldfish: ubunto is brown!
[12:46] <vicks> two windows that is
[12:46] <goldfish> tarzeau2: it is ubuntu
[12:46] <tarzeau2> goldfish: but yours is black
[12:46] <goldfish> i got a new wallpaper
[12:46] <kestas> ah dont you love xfces composite
[12:46] <seth> tarzeau2,  you can change things.
[12:46] <tarzeau2> goldfish: that's not gnome either
[12:46] <kestas> I wish metacity had better composite stuff
[12:46] <goldfish> it's xfce4
[12:46] <seth> goldfish,  what is that running in the bottom left corner?
[12:46] <IIIEars> << Hopes the word "Grateful" isn't lost in translation to Ubuntu team.
[12:46] <BockBilbo> hello?
[12:47] <Schattenkind> Greetings
[12:47] <goldfish> seth: torsmo
[12:47] <seth> That looks sexy.
[12:47] <Schattenkind> Ubuntu is great!
[12:47] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: why?
[12:48] <Schattenkind> I love it, great design
[12:48] <Schattenkind> And it works
[12:48] <tarzeau2> will ubuntu always be free software?
[12:48] <Schattenkind> YES!
[12:49] <tarzeau2> on the web page it only says "free of charge" which is a large difference
[12:49] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: how do you know? are you ubunto?
[12:49] <IIIEars> Ubuntu has something on their site being "Forever Free"
[12:49] <npiv> tarzeau2, it will be, its part of the linux philosophy
[12:49] <Schattenkind> Cause Linux is free software, and so ubuntu is too
[12:49] <kestas> here we go..;.
[12:49] <kestas> yeesh
[12:49] <tarzeau2> npiv: shouldn't they write it like that, so it's unmistakenly ?
[12:50] <Schattenkind> You should ask: Will Linux stay free?
[12:50] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: there's some distros that throw in non-free stuff, look at gentoo
[12:50] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: no that's not what i asked or care about
[12:50] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: linux can be replaced
[12:50] <seth> tarzeau2,  what did Gentoo add that wasn't free?
[12:50] <tarzeau2> seth: plenty
[12:51] <IIIEars> of linux philosophy say the software is free. but, you should do what you can to help improve the tools you use and share them.
[12:51] <Schattenkind> So your question is: will ubuntu always bring along free software?
[12:51] <seth> Please tell, as I used Gentoo for about a year off and on.
[12:51] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: exclusively free software
[12:51] <tarzeau2> seth: ok let me look, one moment
[12:51] <Schattenkind> Well, I don't know the answer...
[12:52] <IIIEars> "WE are each responsible for linux being a success"
[12:52] <seth> Is it safe to remove evolution?
[12:52] <kestas> Im not
[12:52] <Schattenkind> There is some non-free software I like and use
[12:52] <tarzeau2> seth: for example netscape
[12:52] <seth> Netscape is free.
[12:52] <tarzeau2> seth: it's not free software
[12:52] <kestas> seth: if you remove evolution you may have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:52] <IIIEars> Thats just it freedom
[12:52] <tarzeau2> seth: i'm talking of the definition at www.gnu.org
[12:52] <seth> The browser you can download from their site.
[12:52] <kestas> seth: which is a meta package which you shouldnt remove
[12:52] <seth> tarzeau2,  oh, ok.
[12:53] <seth> Damnit. I hate evolution.
[12:53] <Schattenkind> Maple is a great commercial programm, I will always use it
[12:53] <tarzeau2> seth: i don't care for free of charge
[12:53] <seth> tarzeau2,  I thought you meant free as in beer, not free as in speech.
[12:53] <tarzeau2> seth: now it's clear.
[12:53] <kestas> how is beer free?
[12:53] <BockBilbo> this absolutly suck
[12:53] <seth> It's not, that is the point.
[12:53] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:53] <kestas> beer aint free for me
[12:53] <tarzeau2> kestas: it isn't
[12:53] <BockBilbo> i guess i'll have to reinstall ubuntu
[12:53] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:53] <seth> Free as in speech, not free as in beer.
[12:54] <seth> BockBilbo,  yeah, don't update your breezy.
[12:54] <kestas> but why beer?
[12:54] <BockBilbo> seth, why no?
[12:54] <Schattenkind> But in my Ubuntu somethings don't work :-(
[12:54] <BockBilbo> t
[12:54] <seth> Because everyone likes beer?
[12:54] <seth> BockBilbo,  it's broken?
[12:54] <BockBilbo> ive been always using instable versions of debian and ubuntu
[12:54] <seth> Did you not read the MOTD on joining this channel?
[12:55] <kestas> thats the topic
[12:55] <kestas> :P
[12:55] <Schattenkind> xmms and mplayer don't work on my desktop
[12:55] <BockBilbo> well it seens that after the upgrade the xserver cannot find the fonts
[12:55] <seth> PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[12:55] <seth> Blah, you all knew what I meant.
[12:55] <IIIEars> lol@seth
[12:55] <kestas> Schattenkind: they dont work how?
[12:55] <tarzeau2> ubunto has lame?
[12:55] <kestas> Schattenkind: more info needed
[12:55] <Schattenkind> I don't know
[12:55] <BockBilbo> seth why do you say to not use it?
[12:55] <Schattenkind> They suddenly stop
[12:55] <kestas> Schattenkind: open them from a terminal, and tell us what the error is
[12:56] <Schattenkind> Maybe later
[12:56] <seth> If the developers say not to, then obviously something is wrong with the package...
[12:56] <Schattenkind> I need a break now
[12:56] <BockBilbo> ...
[12:56] <IIIEars> seth - would you like another aspirin buddy?
[12:56] <urb85> hello all
[12:56] <kestas> ...
[12:56] <seth> IIIEars,  I just popped like 4 of them.
[12:56] <kestas> Schattenkind: why come in here ask us for help then say you need a break?
[12:56] <IIIEars> :)
[12:57] <tarzeau2> can i get a list of multiverse packages that only exist in ubuntu, but not in debian?
[12:57] <Schattenkind> That was not the reason for my coming
[12:57] <kestas> your coming?
[12:57] <seth> kestas,  you have the link to that nice fluxbox setup you saw? The one you said you need to be 5mm from the screen for.
[12:57] <Schattenkind> Does anybody know a equalizer for Totem Player?
[12:57] <liable> tarzeau2: marrilatt has it I think
[12:57] <kestas> seth: its on the fluxbox project website
[12:57] <Schattenkind> +n
[12:57] <clsk> Is 10gb enough for an ubuntu installation?
[12:57] <BockBilbo> clsk yes
[12:57] <urb85> clsk, yes
[12:57] <seth> clsk,  yes.
[12:57] <seth> lol
[12:57] <kestas> Schattenkind: I thought you were taking a break?
[12:57] <herpes> liable, is it not universe?
[12:57] <clsk> hehe
[12:57] <clsk> Thanks.
[12:57] <tarzeau2> herpes: it is
[12:58] <Schattenkind> A break from  xmms and mplayer
[12:58] <BockBilbo> seth, so the Ubuntu developers are saying not to use breezy yet...
[12:58] <IIIEars> seth - i am a long time M$ junkie - editing the source code and compiling a program is better than sex.
[12:58] <Schattenkind> and from my scanner, which doesn't work too
[12:58] <BockBilbo> mmm when are we supposed to start using it?
[12:58] <IIIEars> okay - almost
[12:58] <seth> IIIEars,  you must not be fucking the right people then. I say people because I don't know your sexual orientation.
[12:58] <count0nz> there doing g++ 4 updates now its kinda broke
[12:59] <IIIEars> Can't do that with M4 stuff
[12:59] <seth> BockBilbo,  as soon as they say it's fixed?
[12:59] <herpes> IIIEars, there is something wrong with you if you think that.
[12:59] <IIIEars> rofl
[12:59] <Schattenkind> Sorry, my english could be better...
[12:59] <urb85> clsk, I have got a 30g hdd and after Ubuntu installation plus other lots of progs, I used only 4gig
[12:59] <BockBilbo> seth, and where do they announce all of tha stuff? in the mailing list?
[01:00] <seth> I'm on a 27GB hard drive and after I've installed lots of packages, I'm only down to 24GBs.
[01:00] <seth> BockBilbo,  that, and you can stop in here and check the title.
[01:00] <count0nz> 6.5Gig useded and thats inludeing 2gig music and a few cdimages
[01:00] <Schattenkind> Can I use divx codecs on Linux?
[01:00] <seth> Yes.
[01:00] <BockBilbo> mmm i usually check the theme of the channel... but not used to using bitchx...
[01:01] <BockBilbo> so i havent read it
[01:01] <Schattenkind> well
[01:01] <cusco> Schattenkind: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[01:01] <IIIEars> the last windows install i did was 10 CDs - (bloat?)  KDE or Gnome?
[01:03] <kestas> here we go..
[01:03] <seth> GNOME!
[01:03] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: GNUstep
[01:03] <seth> GNOME! GNOME! GNOME!
[01:03] <ahmeni> ion!
[01:03] <cusco> Schattenkind: whatever suits you better.
[01:03] <count0nz> tarzeau2, 1.9.3 and 1.4.8 plugins
[01:03] <tarzeau2> count0nz: where did you download from?
[01:03] <IIIEars> yep - trial ware - some cds were only partly filled - doesn't mean you can go away you got to be there to put in each one.
[01:03] <seth> Dear god man, for the love of god and all that is holy, DO NOT USE KDE!~
[01:03] <Schattenkind> I love the Gnome design, but some KDE progs run better on my computer
[01:03] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i don't remember having used plugins ever. what are they good for? what tv channels do you watch w/ it?
[01:03] <count0nz> tarzeau2, the plugins decode pay tv (kinda grey area) just wondered if anyone had it working)
[01:04] <tarzeau2> count0nz: is it possible the plugins were in the main tarball, earlier? because it works fine here
[01:04] <tarzeau2> count0nz: yes i have it working
[01:04] <Schattenkind> I would rather use Gnome, but... it doesn't work as well as KDE on MY comp
[01:04] <Schattenkind> :-(
[01:04] <seth> Then use KDE.
[01:04] <seth> Whatever works for you.
[01:04] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: try GNUstep
[01:04] <seth> That is the beauty of *nix: Choice.
[01:04] <Schattenkind> GNUstep?
[01:04] <clsk> another question.. what are the differences between the list, torrent and manifest versions?
[01:04] <seth> I'm going to kill myself now.
[01:04] <count0nz> tarzeau2, i can watch reg tv its just when i watch encoded tv lol... ok what version of xawdecode do you have ?
[01:04] <seth> One drag at a time.
[01:04] <clsk> of the image files
[01:04] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: yeah, should be in multiverse
[01:04] <seth> Back in a few guys.
[01:05] <Schattenkind> And what is GNUstep?
[01:05] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i can't check. my isp sucks
[01:05] <tarzeau2> Schattenkind: better than GNOME and KDE together
[01:05] <count0nz> tarzeau2, np
[01:05] <Schattenkind> Okay, I will try
[01:05] <count0nz> tarzeau2, thanks... more out of intrst cos i can't find xawdecode in reps... i got it from SF page tho...
[01:05] <count0nz> xdtv works great also
[01:06] <tarzeau2> count0nz: is it still downloadable? the plugins?
[01:06] <tarzeau2> count0nz: i keep my local copy :)
[01:07] <count0nz> yes google xawdecode-plugins
[01:07] <count0nz> source is in german but i have it working
[01:07] <BockBilbo> seth is is possible to go back to hoary by changing the apt sources and doing dist-upgrade?
[01:07] <herpes> does d4x work for anyone? it segfaults when i try and launch it
[01:07] <tarzeau2> count0nz: can you try http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ?
[01:07] <clsk> what are the differences between the list, torrent and manifest versions of the iso image files?
[01:08] <count0nz> going to port it to mythtv :)
[01:08] <count0nz> opening
[01:08] <kestas> BockBilbo: possible I expect but not advisable
[01:08] <tarzeau2> i've seen ubuntu has lame packages in their multiverse
[01:08] <count0nz> tarzeau2, got that fine
[01:08] <BockBilbo> kestas, i know... but just wondering if i could do that instead of reinstalling
[01:08] <Schattenkind> Can I uninstall KDE?
[01:08] <seth> BockBilbo,  honestly, you are asking the wrong guy that question. I've only been using Ubuntu for less then 6 hours.
[01:09] <tarzeau2> i'd like to package www.musickit.org for ubunutu, who could i harass checking my packages?
[01:09] <seth> Schattenkind,  sudo apt-get remove kde
[01:09] <Schattenkind> Oh, thank you
[01:09] <seth> No problem.
[01:09] <hhurtta> clsk: different distribution methods?
[01:09] <kestas> seth: that will only remove the meta package
[01:09] <BockBilbo> seth, that wont remove kde at all
[01:09] <kestas> all the programs will remain
[01:09] <seth> Oh?
[01:09] <seth> Well, how the hell do you remove the programs then?
[01:09] <kestas> yeah its a pita but hell have to go though and remove one by one
[01:10] <seth> I've been doing that for a few programs I wanted to try out, thinking they were gone.
[01:10] <count0nz> schasi, you just type apt-get install kubunatu-desktop (spelling)
[01:10] <kestas> seth: it works for individual programs
[01:10] <fairx> no response from #kubuntu, could some1 please help me install grub?
[01:10] <Schattenkind> Cool, it works!
[01:10] <kestas> but a meta package is just dependant on other programs
[01:10] <kestas> and dependencies arent removed
[01:11] <kestas> Schattenkind: it hasnt removed kde
[01:11] <kestas> Schattenkind: read up
[01:11] <Schattenkind> No, not that
[01:11] <seth> kestas,  for example. I did apt-get install ethereal, just to see what was flying around on my network, and then got rid of it by doing apt-get remove. Is it gone, or is it still there?
[01:11] <BockBilbo> seth, but ethereal its just a program
[01:11] <kestas> seth: ethereal will be gone, but any dependencies it has will remain
[01:11] <seth> kestas,  ok.
[01:11] <hhurtta> clsk: list is just a file list, iso is the real image and torrent is file you need to use when downloading via bittorrent
[01:12] <BockBilbo> kde is a metapackage that includes lots of dependences...
[01:12] <Schattenkind> Okay, now I am happy. My browser works correctly
[01:12] <seth> So, if there are massive deps, then you have to apt-get remove each one?
[01:12] <kestas> yeup
[01:12] <BockBilbo> kestas, but
[01:12] <seth> Eh, whatever.
[01:12] <kestas> seth: my sentiments exactly :)
[01:12] <BockBilbo> i think that if you remove the top dependence package, youll remove the whole kde
[01:12] <kestas> they dont take up much space
[01:12] <BockBilbo> i think there was a package called libkde smthing
[01:12] <seth> That is one thing *nix needs, is an add/remove programs kind of thing.
[01:13] <kestas> BockBilbo: nope fraid not
[01:13] <hyperion> something like debforster?
[01:13] <seth> I believe that is one thing keeping a lot of people from coming to *nix, is the package management.
[01:13] <kestas> BockBilbo: how would it know which are dependencies it should remove and which arent?
[01:14] <kestas> seth: yup theres room for improvement, but therell always be dependencies in an open source os
[01:15] <BockBilbo> kestas, isnt there a dependency tree? i guess that if you remove the package in the root of the tree it will remove the whole tree
[01:15] <kestas> seth: its because everyone likes to have their own little project, instead of working on someone elses
[01:15] <hhurtta> seth: no. the thing that keeps people koming to *nix is that they really believe it works like windows and are not willing to learn anything else
[01:15] <BockBilbo> perhaps i tried that when i was using debian to remove kde
[01:15] <kestas> BockBilbo: the tree goes all the way down to libc
[01:15] <kestas> BockBilbo: and libc is needed by everything
[01:15] <BockBilbo> mm
[01:15] <BockBilbo> yeah
[01:15] <BockBilbo> but in the way there are some packages in which others are deppendant
[01:15] <Hoxzer> Bock: have you ever been in love?
[01:16] <BockBilbo> Hoxzer, wtf=
[01:16] <BockBilbo> ?
[01:16] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:16] <Hoxzer> I dont hope so ...
[01:16] <BockBilbo> why do you say that?
[01:16] <kestas> who care?
[01:16] <kestas> *cares
[01:17] <Schattenkind> Are there no MS trolls here today?
[01:17] <BockBilbo> kestas, i remember removing kde when i used debian, and someone told me in the kde channel to remove an specific packages... i did the apt-get remove kdepkg and asked me if i wanted to remove like 200 packages
[01:17] <kestas> BockBilbo: what gentoo does is keeps a list of all the packages you installed yourself
[01:17] <BockBilbo> mm thats interesting
[01:17] <kestas> BockBilbo: then you can remove a package you installed, and it will remove all the dependencies which you didnt explicitly install
[01:18] <Taliesin`> heh, the mirror bandwidth graph has stopped updating on the ubuntu site :)
[01:18] <kestas> BockBilbo: debian could use something like that ,but it has a few drawbacks
[01:18] <kestas> BockBilbo: but what if you were using k3b, which uses qt and possibly other kde packages?
[01:18] <BockBilbo> as seth said, it would be good to improve that area in ubuntu
[01:19] <BockBilbo> kestas, true...
[01:19] <jpfarias> hi!
[01:19] <Choubaka> kestas: debian does have something like that.
[01:19] <eskaypey> lo
[01:19] <kestas> Choubaka: whats it called?
[01:19] <Choubaka> it's called debfoster
[01:19] <kestas> k thanks
[01:19] <herpes> count0nz, where in nz you from?
[01:19] <Choubaka> or hmm
[01:19] <Choubaka> deborphan too
[01:19] <count0nz> herpes, Auckland
[01:19] <Choubaka> either one of those :p
[01:19] <kestas> ah that rings a bell
[01:19] <jpfarias> does someone know if gnome gdl library is available for ubuntu?
[01:20] <twogood> hi, i'm having problems with evolution-alarm-notify and I want to debug it, but there are no debug symbols and no evolution-dbg package... need I compile it myself to get debug symbols?
[01:20] <eskaypey> can i save files to ntfs from ubuntu live cd?
[01:20] <kestas> Choubaka: hmm thats not quite the same
[01:20] <holycow> no
[01:20] <kestas> Choubaka: its more like pkg_cutleaves in freebsd
[01:20] <kestas> Choubaka: but still handy :)
[01:20] <holycow> eskaypey, there was some preliminary support for saving to ntfs using a windows dll but its no longer supported
[01:20] <Choubaka> kestas: hmm.
[01:20] <Choubaka> I'm new to freebsd.
[01:21] <Choubaka> Just installed it the other day
[01:21] <kestas> its great, like gentoo but more stable
[01:21] <Choubaka> I like it too.
[01:21] <herpes> freebsd is like gentoo?
[01:21] <kestas> learnt unix on freebsd, very good os
[01:21] <Choubaka> though I don't really compile stuff .P
[01:22] <kestas> herpes: in package management anyway
[01:22] <^vir^> hi
[01:22] <herpes> right...
[01:22] <kestas> herpes: why the 'right...'
[01:22] <kestas> phear the dots
[01:22] <kestas> you know portage ports
[01:22] <^vir^> i've just recently brought a geforce card & i'm trying to swap over my ati whats the best way to go about this?
[01:22] <Choubaka> herpes: portage was copied from ports :P
[01:22] <BockBilbo> well
[01:23] <BockBilbo> im going to reinstall hoary
[01:23] <briza> is there some channel about bash scripting?
[01:23] <BockBilbo> and i'll go back to breezy once the problems are fixed and the devs say its ok to switch
[01:23] <BockBilbo> briza,
[01:23] <BockBilbo> #bash
[01:23] <hhurtta> whats wrong with breezy?
[01:23] <kestas> ^vir^: use the nv driver
[01:23] <briza> BockBilbo thanks dude
[01:24] <BockBilbo> hhurtta, well... ive been using it since the week it started
[01:24] <count0nz> hhurtta, G++ 4 being used to compile everythign major brakage
[01:24] <BockBilbo> and... it happens that today, after doing and upgrade
[01:24] <BockBilbo> the xserver stopped working
[01:24] <elcuco> hi, can anyone tell me how to setup a boot splash?
[01:24] <hhurtta> ok. then i just keep my fingers away :)
[01:25] <kestas> elcuco: check the wikis
[01:25] <^vir^> kestas: this is my first time changing a gfx card i don't know exactly how to edit files if i need to
[01:25] <kestas> elcuco: and the forum
[01:25] <BockBilbo> well
[01:25] <BockBilbo> thanks for everything
[01:25] <BockBilbo> cyall
[01:25] <kestas> ^vir^: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf change Driver "ati" or whatever to Driver "nv"
[01:25] <kestas> ^vir^: then switch cards
[01:25] <elcuco> the forums are hard, since i have not found a search option. but the wiki, is a WIP, still looking
[01:26] <BockBilbo> byee
[01:26] <count0nz> going to write some docs on wiki later
[01:26] <^vir^> thanks kestas
[01:26] <kestas> np
[01:27] <teknomaniac> hi i would like to associate file with programs eg when i click avi file ,mplayer run,i know that in KDe is manage center but i have gnome and i couldn't find anything like this
[01:27] <zz> has anyone successfully installed adobe photoshop with crossover office on ubuntu?
[01:27] <jelkner>   can someone tell me the email address to send my hardware info to?
[01:27] <seth> kestas, what do you use to view movies? I mean, DivX videos.
[01:28] <^vir^> zz photoshop 7 is meant to work with crossover office i believe
[01:28] <Riddell> jelkner: use hwdb
[01:28] <eskaypey> does ubuntu livecd comes with captiveNTFS
[01:28] <jelkner> riddle<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[01:28] <ogra> jelkner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>yes
[01:29] <ogra> oops
[01:29] <jelkner> thanks!
[01:29] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>indeed :)
[01:29] <teknomaniac> anyone can help me ??
[01:30] <zz> it installed but it has a bad lag with the paint tools you have to click each time to paint
[01:30] <^vir^> o :(
[01:30] <^vir^> you tried gimpshop?
[01:30] <jaggi> if I modify /etc/network/interfaces (trying to get my wireless working), what do I do to re-activate the connection (reload the settings from the file)?
[01:30] <hhurtta> teknomaniac: try reading gnome manual
[01:31] <^vir^> makes gimp look like photoshop
[01:31] <akudewan> Does Ubuntu 5.04 have xorg or XFree86 ?
[01:31] <seth> xorg
[01:31] <eskaypey> what about me ? :)
[01:31] <^vir^> which is better xorg or xfree86?
[01:31] <akudewan> thanks
[01:32] <seth> What video viewer can handle subtitles? I know MPlayer can, but when I try to load the subtitles, it crashes on me.
[01:32] <hhurtta> seth: totem works for me
[01:33] <jaggi> totem locked up on my dvd playing attempt
[01:33] <seth> hhurtta, totem can load subtitles? When I went to load them, it said no subtitles available. The subtitle srt is named the same as the divx file.
[01:33] <zz> yea i tried gimpshop but if i have to use gimp im more comfortable with the regular gimp
[01:33] <seth> And they are obviously in the same directory.
[01:33] <teknomaniac> ok,but maybe someone know where is a file in which i could change associate file with program ??
[01:33] <jaggi> anyone know how to reload the network after editing /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:33] <karim> hi
[01:33] <jaggi> (like activate/deactivate in the network config window)
[01:34] <hhurtta> jaggi: /etc/init.d/network restart
[01:34] <hhurtta> i guess
[01:34] <akudewan> Does ubuntu have alien?
[01:34] <karim> is it possible to export devices ? I mean for exemple if I have a TV video card on the box A, make appear /dev/video0 as if it's on box B.
[01:35] <tarzeau2> karim: no
[01:35] <jaggi> hhurtta, was hoping to avoid a full network restart.. just wanted to try the interface itself...
[01:36] <Schattenkind> IT WORKS!
[01:36] <^vir^> modules-2.6.10-5-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb:  error creating directory `./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied
[01:36] <^vir^>  <-- what would cause an error like this i used synaptic to download the geforce drivers......
[01:36] <tarzeau2> akudewan: yes
[01:36] <hhurtta> jaggi: can't help then :(
[01:36] <Echelon-H> hmmm, how slow is the LiveCD version supposed to be? cos mine aint moving :(
[01:36] <Schattenkind> Maybe not the mplayer and xmms, cause I didn't test them, but xine works! Cool!
[01:36] <akudewan> tarzeau2: thanks
[01:36] <tarzeau2> Echelon-H: it's very damn slow for me
[01:36] <karim> tarzeau2: ah to bad
[01:36] <tarzeau2> Echelon-H: on a 2+ ghz machine
[01:36] <Echelon-H> yeah, same here.
[01:36] <karim> tarzeau2: it would be nice
[01:36] <tarzeau2> karim: what you can do is stream the input
[01:36] <Echelon-H> When Im trying to run FF it won't work.
[01:36] <tarzeau2> krischan: or even broadcast it
[01:37] <Echelon-H> I hope the HDD version is working better..?
[01:37] <karim> tarzeau2: yes
[01:37] <IIIEars> Echelon -Are you sure you burned an iso disk image and not an image file to a cd?
[01:38] <jaggi> karim, video has a lot of requirements for efficiency.  In fact, many computers don't actually display the tv video themselves... that is, on cards which are the tuner and computer's video display the computer might just display a single color, and the video card handles the display of the video in this location
[01:38] <jaggi> I'm speaking primarily from my experience with various ATI cards...
[01:38] <Schattenkind> So, let's try mplayer...
[01:39] <omV0> i am having a problem.. for some reason when i do RewriteRule ^$ supersiteengine/index.php i get an error saying "The requested URL /home/omer/public_html/lastbase/supersiteengine/index.php was not found on this server." but the file is clearly there...
[01:39] <omV0> in fact, when i copy+paste the folder from the error into the browser address it finds the file..
[01:39] <Echelon-H> IIIEars I am not that dumb
[01:39] <Echelon-H> it works, but it's hell slow.
[01:40] <Schattenkind> Fuck!
[01:40] <IIIEars> What did you mean that you machine had stoped?
[01:40] <Echelon-H> Schattenkind..?
[01:40] <Schattenkind> No, this piece of shit doesn't work!
[01:40] <Echelon-H> Well, in some point yes.
[01:40] <Schattenkind> >:o
[01:40] <Echelon-H> But it worked VERY slow.
[01:40] <jaggi> okay, well, I might have to restart my network, so I'll leave irc now :)
[01:40] <Schattenkind> And now I can't close this programm
[01:40] <Schattenkind> -m
[01:41] <Schattenkind> argh..
[01:41] <Schattenkind> Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!!!!!!!
[01:41] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: relax a bit, i can almost see a ven pulsing on your forehead :)
[01:41] <jelkner> there seems to be no one (except me, since i just joined ;-) on ubuntu-dev
[01:42] <Schattenkind> Okay... no panic...
[01:42] <IIIEars> your machine will run a lot faster than mine. - this one IRC + muted DVD + streamtuner/xmms + bittorrent - all thaT ON AN OLD CELERON.
[01:42] <jelkner> where should i go for breezy questions?
[01:42] <Schattenkind> How can I close a program?
[01:42] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: try killall mplayer on commandline
[01:42] <seth> How the hell do I add plugins for Totem?
[01:42] <eater773> kastas ... thanks....
[01:42] <hhurtta> mplayer seems to have some issues
[01:42] <Schattenkind> Thank you, it worked
[01:42] <Schattenkind> Puh
[01:42] <akudewan> Can anyone tell me if this hardware configuration has known issues in ubuntu: Pentium 4 1.6GHz. Intel i845 chipset. TNT2 Riva M64 graphics card.  That and you have to tell them to use esd
[01:44] <Schattenkind> esd?
[01:44] <ubuntu> seth, that's exactly what I was going to ask.
[01:44] <hhurtta> sound server
[01:44] <hhurtta> esd
[01:44] <hhurtta> there are instruction in wiki
[01:44] <Schattenkind> I don't understand, now I tried to play a music video on mplayer, which worked on xine and totem
[01:45] <Schattenkind> But on mplayer it doesn't work... :-(
[01:45] <ubuntu> I just booted from the live CD, and was surprised how much it figured out for itself.  but when I try to play a .avi movie it tells me 'you might need to install the corresponding plugins', but doesn't give any suggestions as to how I might do that.
[01:45] <ubuntu> I see 'add/remove programs', but nothing about plugins
[01:45] <IIIEars> akudawan - your intel integrated vidoe is only supported in vga 640x480 - though your add on video is well supported. - can't answer about the rest
[01:46] <Schattenkind> Is there no equalizer-plugin for totem or xine?
[01:46] <akudewan> IIIEars: ok, thanks for the info.
[01:47] <IIIEars> ubuntu - the live CD is really just a demo - browse the net etc - not too sure you can ad apps to the live cd install easily.
[01:47] <IIIEars> er *can't
[01:47] <robertj> III you can install apps while its running
[01:47] <robertj> and with a lot of work you can remaster the CD, but i've got a shell script I use at work I run that installs everything I need
[01:48] <robertj> and i just run it off a usb keychain drive
[01:48] <robertj> it configures the network interface, downloads some packages, clones the machine, and reboots the machine
[01:48] <IIIEars> linux power :) - mkisof
[01:48] <Schattenkind> Is there nobody who can tell me something about plugins for totem or xine ?
[01:49] <robertj> sure, I could spend a whole lot of time making a custom livecd and remaster it any time I want to make a change, but I'd rather just edit my shell script to apt-get install anything thats needed
[01:49] <ubuntu> robertj, where does it install them to?  A RAMdisk or something?
[01:49] <herpes> this is a test
[01:49] <IIIEars> robertj - clones the install to disk? - how is that done?
[01:49] <robertj> ubunut: yeah, it takes care of all the mounting behind your back, you don't have to worry about it
[01:49] <robertj> III: no, it doesn't clone the installer ot the disk
[01:49] <IIIEars> ah - okay
[01:49] <robertj> it downloads an image from the LAN and clones it onto the hard drive
[01:49] <robertj> That's how i've been imaging my windows boxen
[01:49] <robertj> although I need to find a better way because its slooow
[01:50] <ubuntu> so what package do I need to install to play .avi movies?
[01:50] <IIIEars> I was hooked when it found all hardware. - installed it in less than 3o mins
[01:50] <Schattenkind> sh
[01:50] <jaggi> I found the config area takes from the edited interface file... I said, "I'll leave irc now" though, so should I stick with that?
[01:52] <crimsun_> ubuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:52] <seth> Hello again eyequeue.
[01:52] <eyequeue> hi seth
[01:52] <IIIEars> robertj - how do you pull the image to the machine you want to install on?
[01:53] <eyequeue> i wish i understood why sometimes the alsamixer settings reset themselves to things that don't work here
[01:54] <^vir^> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb:  error creating directory `./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied <-- what would throw an error like this is anyone aware of such a problem?
[01:54] <crimsun_> eyequeue: under what sort of usage?
[01:54] <IIIEars> robertj - How do you pull the image from your server?
[01:54] <crimsun_> ^vir^: make sure you have enough room in /var
[01:54] <crimsun_> ^vir^: and that you're using sudo
[01:54] <eyequeue> crimsun_:  nothing that i can think of, though i did reboot
[01:54] <Schattenkind> How can I start xmms from the console?
[01:54] <seth> xmms
[01:54] <IIIEars> Good Morning crimsun
[01:54] <crimsun_> IIIEars: 'morning
[01:55] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  "xmms"<enter>
[01:55] <Schattenkind> Okay, and what now?
[01:55] <^vir^> crimsome doesn't synaptic run as root?
[01:55] <KongenBX> Howto make my ubuntu not run X automatic when startup?
[01:55] <^vir^> Schattenkind, run beep-media player :D
[01:55] <eyequeue> crimsun_:  i do have gkrellmms installed and was playing with it, but that doesn't appear to be it, since it survived a reboot earlier without incident
[01:56] <eyequeue> KongenBX:  permanently?  sudo dpkg --purge gdm
[01:56] <KongenBX> forever, not just 1 time.
[01:57] <mynullvoid> how do I run passive server
[01:57] <urb85> guys how do I change port 80 to be externally accessible
[01:58] <Schattenkind> and how start playing in console?
[01:58] <count0nz> urb85, edit /etc/default/apache2
[01:58] <KongenBX> How do i apt-get install xvid driver?
[01:58] <crimsun_> ^vir^: if you access Synaptic "normally," yes
[01:58] <eyequeue> crimsun_:  it's only a minor annoyance at my end, though the unpredictable nature is what's annoying.  i can appreciate your interst in it though; if i determine more i'll try to pass it on
[01:59] <crimsun_> KongenBX: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <urb85> count0nz, I have got that far but I am having trouble with no-ip
[01:59] <Schattenkind> Fuck, it doesn't work
[01:59] <count0nz> urb85, oh lol somewhere else
[01:59] <eyequeue> urb85:  install a listener on it (sudo apt-get install apache2)
[01:59] <crimsun_> eyequeue: great, thanks
[01:59] <Schattenkind> xmms hangs up
[01:59] <crimsun_> Schattenkind: where is it appearing to hang?
[01:59] <IIIEars> urb85 - firestarter and bastille are graphical interfaces for net filter
[02:00] <^vir^> crimsun_,  would selinux be affecting it?
[02:00] <Schattenkind> When I start playing something, xmms hangs up
[02:00] <urb85> IIIEars, the prob is when I try to access my website via browser, it shows me my router settings instead of my localhost
[02:00] <Schattenkind> And then nothing happens
[02:01] <urb85> IIIEars, I am usin no-ip utility prog
[02:01] <othernoob> hi, how does ubuntu compare to fedora core 3 in ease of use and noob-friendliness ?
[02:01] <crimsun_> ^vir^: quite possibly. Try disabling it.
[02:01] <urb85> othernoob, its easier then fedora in some way
[02:01] <eyequeue> urb85:  one, it sounds like your router is configured to listen to the outside, which is a security risk.  two, you may need to tell your router to pass inbound port 80 to the ip of your ubuntu box
[02:02] <^vir^> crimsum_ how would i go about doing that please
[02:02] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: have you already changed output plugin to esd?
[02:02] <Schattenkind> output plugin? How do I do this?
[02:02] <eyequeue> urb85:  if you're remote presently, be sure to change item two before item one, heh
[02:02] <hhurtta> in xmms right click -> proferences
[02:02] <crimsun_> ^vir^: I'm not terribly familiar with SELinux; how did you enable it?
[02:02] <othernoob> urb85: thanks
[02:02] <Schattenkind> Okay
[02:02] <urb85> eyeque, that port 80 is a prob, I cannot find it on my router settings
[02:03] <MeHere> hi guys can anybody help me with isntalling yahoo messenger?
[02:03] <eyequeue> urb85:  just on the off chance that i know your router, what kind is it?
[02:03] <Schattenkind> Uh, it works
[02:03] <hhurtta> Schattenkind: duh
[02:03] <^vir^> don't know lol crimsum_
[02:03] <urb85> othernoob, its easier to get Synaptic on ubuntu
[02:03] <crimsun_> MeHere: are you positive you want Yahoo's official one? Gaim works well.
[02:03] <Schattenkind> Goddam' it works!!!!!!!!!!
[02:03] <Schattenkind> :)
[02:04] <IIIEars> urb85 - some routers have a cat5 plug dedicated to pass through - is yours like that?
[02:04] <eyequeue> MeHere:  sudo apt-get install gaim, if you just want a client that will work
[02:04] <Schattenkind> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOU ARE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:04] <^vir^> MeHere, yahoo is crap to be honest
[02:04] <urb85> eyeque, its a TRENDnet
[02:04] <MeHere> will i be able to send files over gaim to windows?
[02:04] <^vir^> you'd be better off with gaim-vv
[02:04] <count0nz> MeHere, i use gaim can sent to windows np
[02:04] <MeHere> i want to send files to my windows pc through a chat program
[02:04] <^vir^> MeHere,  i send files to msn users
[02:05] <crimsun_> MeHere: yes
[02:05] <mfabbri> hi there, anybody had bluez stack working with a SE p800?
[02:05] <MeHere> really?
[02:05] <kent> MeHere, It depends on which protocol you are using. I cant send files over icq with gaim, but I can do it with msn.
[02:05] <MeHere> cool
[02:05] <eyequeue> urb85:  sorry, i don't know that one.  poke through every option you can find in every submenu in the admin interface.  you're looking for port forwarding or something similarly named
[02:05] <MeHere> well if it works on msn it'll be efficient enough for me
[02:05] <Schattenkind> IT WORKS!!! IT WORKS!!!!! God, I am soooooooooo happy.... :-D
[02:05] <^vir^> aim i personaly always have problems with when sending files
[02:05] <MeHere> thanks a bunch guys
[02:05] <kent> Schattenkind, its enough to say it once ;)
[02:05] <Schattenkind> Okay, okay
[02:05] <urb85> eyeque, thanks a lot, I have got something like Virtual Server, could be that?
[02:05] <Schattenkind> Sorry
[02:06] <kent> Schattenkind, its ok. :)  If every one told how happy they are, then it would become hard to read this channel ;)
[02:06] <Schattenkind> :-D
[02:06] <Schattenkind> That's crazy
[02:06] <eyequeue> urb85:  i'm not familiar with that term, but it's worth a try, right? :)  as long as you can under it later
[02:06] <Schattenkind> Ubuntu is great, I love it!!
[02:07] <urb85> eyequeue, eheh yes, you're right, but still the same prob :(
[02:07] <IIIEars> "" Ubuntu love - i hope that isn't illegal in california.
[02:07] <^vir^> MeHere, if you need webcam access use gaim-vv & also install gaim-guifications for msn like pop ups
[02:07] <hybrid_school> lol
[02:08] <eyequeue> IIIEars:   #ubuntu-love     13      Ubuntu Love! | http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuLove | http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dazjw/img_0121.jpg | http://yet.another.linux-nerd.com/wp-content/images/ubuntu-love.png
[02:10] <eyequeue> MeHere:  gaim-encryption package is handy for end-to-end encryption with other gaim users
[02:10] <jpfarias> where can I find a tutorial on building an ubuntu package for some software?
[02:10] <thenuke> what can be used to decompress ace-archives?
[02:12] <Seveas> jpfarias, read the new maintainers guide on debian.org/doc/
[02:12] <eyequeue> jpfarias:  or sudo apt-get install maint-guide
[02:14] <Schattenkind> Wow, mplayer works now too
[02:14] <Schattenkind> But not as well as the other players.
[02:14] <Schattenkind> :-(
[02:15] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  sound quality?  or are you looking for something like gmplayer?
[02:15] <Schattenkind> gmplayer?
[02:15] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  the gui for it
[02:15] <Schattenkind> No, the video is not working correctly
[02:16] <Schattenkind> Sound is okay
[02:16] <kestas> wow they actually ship cds for free
[02:16] <kestas> who pays?
[02:16] <kestas> the shipping must be pretty expensive for 10 cdsa
[02:16] <Riddell> kestas: canonical
[02:16] <eyequeue> Schattenkind:  system > preferences > multimedia > video  of any use to you?
[02:17] <eyequeue> kestas:  mark shuttleworth, i think
[02:17] <TJORVEN> how do i install .gz packages??
[02:17] <T5> ine security updates fr firefox?
[02:17] <T5> sry
[02:17] <kestas> TJORVEN: depends whats in the package
[02:18] <crimsun_> kestas: Canonical pays
[02:18] <TJORVEN> kestas, cant see
[02:18] <kestas> why?
[02:18] <eyequeue> TJORVEN:  that is a gzipped file, gunzip foo.gz will uncompress it
[02:18] <kestas> no ads
[02:18] <kestas> free support
[02:18] <kestas> ?
[02:18] <TJORVEN> eyequeue, thanks
[02:18] <Riddell> kestas: to increate mindshare of ubuntu
[02:18] <kestas> suspicious
[02:18] <crimsun_> kestas: it has considerable financial backing. You might want to read Mark Shuttleworth's interview on /.
[02:18] <mfabbri> anybody had success getting ericsson p800 in sync with evolution?
[02:18] <eyequeue> kestas:  an impressive example of philanthopy in a world increasingly devoid of it, eh?
[02:19] <kestas> eyequeue: indeed
[02:19] <topyli> kestas: you can give money to canonical if you wish :)
[02:19] <Schattenkind> Well, let's try...
[02:19] <kestas> thats good to know :)
[02:19] <Schattenkind> still too slow
[02:20] <Echelon-H> What takes less resources than gnome?
[02:20] <Schattenkind> Better
[02:20] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  xfce4
[02:20] <Schattenkind> Yes, now it works
[02:20] <topyli> kestas: you can pay for support too. that would be like a business deal :)
[02:20] <eyequeue> Echelon-H:  enable the universe repository if you want that
[02:20] <Schattenkind> ... Dream Theater - Another Day ... beautiful video...
[02:21] <kestas> I prefer giving support :)
[02:21] <kestas> ah Dream Theater
[02:21] <kestas> they have some good stuff
[02:21] <Schattenkind> and it works! How cool! God, I love it
[02:21] <Echelon-H> lol
[02:21] <kestas> when theyre not scream like a 14 year old girl in the shower
[02:21] <Schattenkind> Damn, it works :-)
[02:21] <kestas> whos singing
[02:22] <Schattenkind> How crazy...
[02:22] <crimsun_> (Kevin James LaBrie)
[02:22] <kestas> is that the singer?
[02:22] <kestas> damn he suchs
[02:22] <Schattenkind> Yes
[02:22] <_simple> i'm not so sure which kernel headers to install, whats a way to know
[02:22] <n3C> what is the last, official ubuntu version?
[02:22] <crimsun_> _simple: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:22] <Schattenkind> I like his voice on Images & Words
[02:22] <crimsun_> n3C: 5.04, Hoary
[02:22] <n3C> thx
[02:22] <_simple> should that say command mot found?
[02:23] <Schattenkind> Hm, I think I don't need KDE anymore
[02:23] <crimsun_> _simple: it's not a command, rather a package name
[02:23] <Echelon-H> can I install xfce4 on ubuntu?
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: sure, enable universe and install the xfce4 package
[02:23] <_simple> so i like, look for the package?
[02:23] <Echelon-H> not funny.
[02:23] <Echelon-H> Is there a guide / faq / something/
[02:23] <kestas> simple: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:23] <Echelon-H> ?
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: eh?
[02:23] <kestas> thats a command
[02:23] <Echelon-H> k
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: wiki/UniversePackages
[02:23] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: then install xfce4
[02:24] <_simple> last time i nstalled all headers
[02:24] <_simple> for each kernel
[02:24] <egg> how?
[02:24] <_simple> and like when i'd boot, it would only allow me from a command based one
[02:24] <_simple> command based login*
[02:24] <crimsun_> _simple: well, you could execute this in a terminal: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:24] <kestas> headers shouldnt do that
[02:24] <_simple> idk what did it
[02:24] <_simple> i installed everything, like image
[02:24] <Echelon-H> anyone knows if xfce supports hebrew?
[02:24] <_simple> uh headers
[02:25] <crimsun_> _simple: for what do you need headers?
[02:25] <_simple> idk what it was, i hade like three different login types before
[02:25] <_simple> alsa
[02:25] <kestas> crimsun_:  simple: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:25] <egg> how to do it in LFS?
[02:25] <_simple> yeah i did that thank you kestas
[02:25] <_simple> to install alsa to get my intel 915gv audio working
[02:25] <egg> *sign*
[02:25] <kestas> do what egg?
[02:25] <egg> headers
[02:25] <kestas> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:25] <seby> does anyone use a kyro 2 graphic card here? i am searching for xorg configuration
[02:25] <kestas> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:26] <kestas> seby who makes it?
[02:26] <crimsun_> _simple: then you also need the alsa-source and build-essential packages installed
[02:26] <seby> i am using the vesa driver now
[02:26] <kestas> anyone know if s-vidio to av cable adapters exist?
[02:26] <_simple> i think i'm diong it now
[02:26] <seby> i don't know if is the best solution
[02:26] <_simple> not so sure
[02:27] <crimsun_> Echelon-H: please check the xfce web page
[02:27] <_simple> ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel to start right?
[02:27] <crimsun_> _simple: only if you're using a 1.0.9rc
[02:27] <_simple> yeah 1.0.9rc3
[02:27] <crimsun_> use rc4
[02:28] <_simple> i didn't see it on alsa's page
[02:28] <_simple> for download
[02:28] <crimsun_> ah, it hasn't been tagged yet
[02:28] <crimsun_> n/m
[02:28] <_simple> rc3 should be fine?
[02:28] <crimsun_> yep
[02:28] <_simple> good deal
[02:28] <crimsun_> but you'll want to append --with-oss=yes
[02:29] <crimsun_> probably --with-sequencer=yes as well
[02:29] <_simple> lol, okay
[02:29] <_simple> will it ask?
[02:29] <crimsun_> and make sure you pass --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:29] <crimsun_> no, which is why I'm telling you all this :)
[02:30] <thenuke> what do I need to play .MPC -audiofiles?
[02:30] <Dave9191> I have a process that just wont die :( I tried killing it as root and nothing, just sits there in the ps list. i cant start kontact cause it wont die
[02:30] <_simple> ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) --with-sequencer=yes?
[02:30] <_simple> x:
[02:30] <_simple> nah
[02:30] <_simple> i dont' think so atleast
[02:30] <HcE> Dave9191: kill -9 <pid> ?
[02:30] <npiv> I dotn need postfix, Its safe to delete it right
[02:31] <Dave9191> HcE - thx :)
[02:31] <Dave9191> HcE: whats the -9 do ?
[02:31] <npiv> its like saying "die bitch"
[02:31] <snader> thenuke: http://www.musepack.net/index.php?pg=lin
[02:31] <Gog> heh
[02:31] <choco1ate> what is the difference btw -->> linux-image-2.6.10-5-686_2.6.10-34_i386.deb  and this -->> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[02:31] <HcE> Dave9191: it's what type of signal you're sending to the process
[02:32] <Dave9191> so kill pid just isnt enough sometimes
[02:32] <npiv> Postfix is a mail server, Is it safe to delete it, cuz I dont need it ?
[02:32] <choco1ate> maybe i should ask what is the difference btw 386 and 686
[02:32] <choco1ate> anybody :o
[02:32] <npiv> standard 386 architecture vs modern pentium
[02:32] <Gog> 386 == any x86 architecture since 386, 686 is pentium specific
[02:32] <Gog> what he said :)
[02:33] <choco1ate> so where does AMD fall in :o
[02:33] <npiv> K9
[02:33] <crimsun_> _simple: yes, that's good, save you need to add --with-oss=yes
[02:33] <npiv> I think its called
[02:33] <choco1ate> AMD is k9 ;-?
[02:33] <npiv> I think so, let someone confirm
[02:33] <crimsun_> thenuke: www.musepack.net
[02:33] <choco1ate> can someone confirm that AMD is k9 :o
[02:33] <urb85> chocolate, Amd I am using with 386 packages
[02:33] <crimsun_> choco1ate: amd64 -> k8
[02:33] <Schattenkind> musepack is cool
[02:34] <egg> amd128=k9
[02:34] <egg> ?
[02:34] <npiv> amd128 ?
[02:34] <egg> 128bit
[02:34] <npiv> wow is that out yet
[02:34] <choco1ate> i'm using 386 on my AMD but i got modem detection problems
[02:34] <npiv> :)
[02:34] <npiv> choco1ate, probly not related
[02:34] <npiv> to your kernel
[02:34] <teknoprep> 128bit what
[02:34] <choco1ate> oh :o
[02:34] <npiv> could be a wonmodem
[02:34] <npiv> or winmodem
[02:35] <egg> data bus
[02:35] <choco1ate> well, i cant seem to find any linmodems
[02:35] <choco1ate> i checked all over ebay
[02:35] <npiv> Can someone verify that I can throw postfix out ?
[02:35] <choco1ate> google
[02:35] <choco1ate> no such modems exist :S
[02:35] <choco1ate> and yet here you all are online
[02:35] <rootb0x> hi peoples i have a question 4 the orinoco classic gold card runnung monitor mode i know need patched drivers where do i get them and how do i install it then?
[02:35] <Encrypted> best modems are external
[02:36] <Encrypted> or  the expensive internal one without the conextant logo
[02:36] <KongenBX> it it windowmaker for unbutu?
[02:36] <crimsun_> npiv: you need a MTA for Warty or Hoary
[02:36] <thenuke> crimsun_: static linked, dynamically linked.. huh?
[02:36] <npiv> crimsun_, why
[02:36] <rootb0x> can someone help me?
[02:36] <thenuke> snader: : static linked, dynamically linked.. huh?
[02:37] <crimsun_> npiv: because the infrastructure to remove the dependency is only (going to be) in Breezy
[02:37] <choco1ate> would an external modem on serial port do :o
[02:37] <choco1ate> coz i have an external ISDN modem on USB and its not working
[02:37] <choco1ate> in device manager i see the modem listed but its listed as a totally different brand lol
[02:37] <choco1ate> and does not work
[02:38] <npiv> crimsun_, allright, on that note I know breezy is still off limits (for me) but will you need to reinstall or will it be possible to upgrade?
[02:38] <Encrypted> external serial port modem = best you get imho
[02:38] <crimsun_> npiv: you will be able to dist-upgrade per usual
[02:38] <choco1ate> is this a ubuntu problem, you guys think if i checked out the other distros i might not be having any of these hardware problems ;-?
[02:38] <snader> thenuke: try the first one first ;-)
[02:38] <urb85> agree with Encrypted
[02:39] <rootb0x> is there maybe anybody ... i need some help with the orinoco gold classic card and monitor mode
[02:39] <npiv> choco1ate - other distros might have hardware scanners and set up scripts that configure your problem correctly but at the end of the day if its possible to get it to work on another linux distro it should work here
[02:39] <npiv> your sure its not a winmodem ?
[02:39] <Encrypted> rootb0x, not sure if monitor mode is part of the official drivers
[02:39] <Encrypted> rootb0x, been a while since i bothered with orinoco
[02:40] <rootb0x> hm this is the biggest problem i have here wuth my ubuntu
[02:40] <choco1ate> how do i differentiate btw win and lin modems, all i know is this modem is an external USB modem that is  listed wrongly by ubuntu in device manager and thus does not work at all
[02:40] <Encrypted> rootb0x, i used to get a patch for it.. off the airsnort site
[02:40] <rootb0x> no not with ubuntu with drivers
[02:40] <seth> I'm still trying to setup my laptop for wireless.
[02:40] <rootb0x> does it work?
[02:40] <rootb0x> Encrypted?
[02:40] <trygvebw> Hi, is there a precompiled kernel with this fix? http://www.nakack.net/?p=19
[02:40] <trygvebw> (Shuttle SN25P Sound)
[02:40] <seth> My card works, and I can access a few APs in my area.
[02:40] <Encrypted> rootb0x, yeh.... worked well
[02:41] <othernoob> anyone here from germany ?
[02:41] <rootb0x> ok thank you
[02:41] <Seveas> othernoob, #ubuntu-de maybe :)
[02:41] <_simple> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[02:41] <rootb0x> seth mine to but
[02:41] <Encrypted> rootb0x, a prism chipset is still the best you get tho
[02:41] <_simple> what should i do for that crimsun_
[02:41] <rootb0x> but the monitor mode ....
[02:41] <rootb0x> prism never ever
[02:41] <rootb0x> hehehehe
[02:41] <othernoob> Seveas: :) thanks
[02:41] <rootb0x> no thank you i have my hermes I
[02:42] <seth> I'm using a NetgearMA401 on the Realtek 8180 chipset.
[02:42] <rootb0x> :)
[02:42] <dcraven> _simple: install libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev
[02:42] <seth> I just plugged it in and it works for connecting and stuff. As for detecting APs and wardriving type things, I haven't messed with it yet.
[02:42] <Encrypted> rootb0x, we used to create 4 card AP's out of linux machines using prism2 chipsets and hostapd
[02:42] <Encrypted> rootb0x, to replace proper orinoco AP's.. since orinoco had terrible power output
[02:43] <rootb0x> hm...
[02:43] <rootb0x> no im oldskool 2 thatg
[02:43] <rootb0x> :)
[02:43] <_simple> thanks dcraven
[02:43] <rootb0x> i love my card its just new
[02:43] <Encrypted> rootb0x, http://airsnort.shmoo.com/orinocoinfo.html
[02:43] <Encrypted> rootb0x, thats what you need
[02:43] <rootb0x> Encrypted ty
[02:43] <_simple> score
[02:43] <Encrypted> rootb0x, np
[02:44] <rootb0x> :)
[02:44] <trygvebw> ?
[02:46] <rootb0x> Encrypted i got the ubuntu hoary release can u help me installing the file?
[02:46] <rootb0x> i know this is terrible and its getting on ur nerves
[02:46] <occy> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)   Anyone have this nvidia card under Hoary?
[02:47] <Encrypted> rootb0x, actually only decided to try ubuntu recently.. but if i can remember from debian days your gonna need to install pcmcia-cs source
[02:47] <rootb0x> ok where do i get it?
[02:47] <rootb0x> on the site?
[02:48] <Encrypted> rootb0x, should be in synaptics.. unless theyve gone for pure kernel pcmcia
[02:48] <trygvebw> sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs
[02:48] <capi> what exactly is `umask'?
[02:48] <Seveas> something that determines the permissions of newly created files capi
[02:49] <Encrypted> rootb0x, which orinoco driver are you using atm ? if not pcmcia-cs.. the kernel ones ?
[02:49] <rootb0x> im using the kenrel ones
[02:49] <rootb0x> and with the apt-get command it wountdownload
[02:50] <kestas> Shuttleworth seems to sidestep the commercial questions in his interview
[02:50] <kestas> he says he hopes it will make money, but if not it will have been charity, and doesnt elaborate
[02:50] <Encrypted> rootb0x, monitor mode hasnt needed a patch in the kernel drivers for quite a while
[02:50] <kestas> how would it make money?
[02:50] <trygvebw> kestas: support
[02:50] <kestas> isnt support free?
[02:51] <Encrypted> rootb0x, using wvlan_cs, wavelan_cs or orinoco_cs ?
[02:51] <Seveas> canonical provides commercial support too
[02:51] <trygvebw> yeah
[02:51] <rootb0x> yes
[02:51] <Seveas> that's really nice for companies
[02:51] <trygvebw> yup
[02:51] <kestas> why cant commercial enterprise come here? ;)
[02:51] <rootb0x> im usinf wavelancs
[02:51] <Aemaeth> whats that screen config util? fglrxconfig ro something?
[02:51] <Encrypted> rootb0x, switch to orinoco_cs
[02:51] <LarstiQ> kestas: that's not how the commercial mindset works
[02:51] <Seveas> kestas, because that costs more and we do not guarantee things
[02:51] <rootb0x> i also got this oe
[02:51] <rootb0x> one
[02:52] <LarstiQ> kestas: that wants certificates, a contract, hotline, etc
[02:52] <_simple> er, can't boot into gnome or something, only to a command prompt
[02:52] <_simple> now*
[02:53] <athlon> Hi guys, ive just installed hoary. So far so good, except that the screen in X is titlted to the right. How do I correct this ?
[02:53] <Seveas> athlon, that's a hardware issue
[02:53] <Seveas> use the buttons on your monitor
[02:53] <thenuke> athlon: sounds like you need to tweak your monitors settings
[02:54] <rootb0x> where to switch?
[02:54] <_simple> one that "auto adjusts"
[02:54] <_simple> if you have it
[02:54] <_simple> gotta love the f/ps
[02:54] <_simple> any idea crimsun_?
[02:54] <_simple> sure it isn't the header
[02:54] <athlon> well, if I change it, then the screen in windows, slackware and gentoo would get screwed :-)
[02:54] <_simple> because that happened three times now
[02:54] <_simple> yeah
[02:54] <_simple> same here...
[02:54] <_simple> just have to adjust each time
[02:54] <rootb0x> ok i understood
[02:55] <Seveas> seth, please switch that off
[02:55] <rootb0x> need the newest ocmcia-cs
[02:55] <rootb0x> p
[02:55] <rootb0x> lol
[02:55] <rootb0x> im newbie sorry
[02:56] <rootb0x> in which folder i sudo copy the pcmcia-cs? for the new ones
[02:56] <_simple> yeah, same problem
[02:56] <seth> I just typed it in.
[02:56] <seth> It's not a script.
[02:56] <Seveas> seth, ok :)
[02:56] <Seveas> sorry then
[02:56] <seth> It's alright.
[02:56] <Gog> maybe he's a bot
[02:56] <Seveas> :)
[02:56] <seth> I knew I shouldn't have typed it, but I did anyway.
[02:56] <seth> Was hoping it would spark a conversation on music interest.
[02:57] <Encrypted> rootb0x, to compile pcmcia-cs manually its make config; make all; make install
[02:57] <_simple> booting into command prompt, asking for login..any idea how to get back into gnome, or what i could've possibly done installing kernel headers and alsa?
[02:57] <Encrypted> rootb0x, u'll need the kernel sources tho
[02:58] <Seveas> Encrypted, kernel headers are enough to build kernel modules...
[02:59] <Encrypted> Seveas, i cant remember if pcmcia-cs needed the whole tree, but just headers is worth a try
[03:00] <thenuke> "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[03:00] <hans_> how is the new catalyst 5.5?
[03:00] <thenuke> I wonder how this was fixed
[03:00] <_simple> so
[03:00] <hans_> is it faster than the old one?
[03:00] <Seveas> thenuke, do you have g++ installed?
[03:01] <thenuke> Seveas: I guess I have everything I need because my friend has that error but it works ok for me :)
[03:01] <thenuke> thanks for the tip, I ask him now.
[03:01] <Seveas> thenuke, let him install buil-essential
[03:01] <ik-sparc> hi
[03:01] <Seveas> build-essential that is
[03:01] <choco1ate> Encrypted : this is a driver for my internal modem for linux -->> http://www.sm56.tk/ however it seems that there are some compilation steps involved which i cannot do as a noob, can you or anybody with more experience compile it for me and send me the package :o
[03:01] <ik-sparc> what is the program to install progras?
[03:01] <thenuke> Seveas: ok, thank you.
[03:01] <_hp_> what do y'all use to burn cds?
[03:01] <ik-sparc> symnaptic?
[03:02] <Seveas> _hp_, gnomebaker / graveman / nautilus
[03:02] <hans_> _hp_: k3b
[03:02] <Seveas> k3b for kde
[03:02] <rootb0x> Encrypted this is the problem i dont know which files i need on the site
[03:02] <urb85> ik-spark, Synaptic
[03:02] <ik-sparc> thanks :)
[03:02] <urb85> np
[03:02] <rootb0x> Encrypted and the other thing is when i got the sources i dont know how to compile them in the console i need the exact commands 4 that im such a newbie i hate to be one
[03:03] <Encrypted> choco1ate, only have ubuntu64 and its on a machine at home
[03:03] <Encrypted> rootb0x, do a quick 'iwpriv ethX'
[03:03] <choco1ate> oh :(
[03:03] <Encrypted> rootb0x, whichever is your orinoco card
[03:03] <hans_> does any1 know how to install a lexmark allinone x72 printer?
[03:03] <hans_> x74
[03:03] <hans_> i mean
[03:03] <trygvebw> google+
[03:03] <Encrypted> rootb0x, does it have monitor listed anywhere under private ioctls
[03:03] <trygvebw> *?
[03:03] <choco1ate> well, can anybody compile/build and send me this package for i386 ubuntu -->> http://www.sm56.tk/
[03:03] <_hp_> hans_: did you go to the add printer wizard?
[03:04] <hans_> _hp_: yes doesnt recognize it
[03:04] <ik-sparc> anyone knows a nice program to whach mpg?
[03:04] <rootb0x> enycrpyted eth2      Available private ioctl :
[03:04] <rootb0x>           force_reset      (8BE0) : set   0       & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           card_reset       (8BE1) : set   0       & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           set_port3        (8BE2) : set   1 int   & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           get_port3        (8BE3) : set   0       & get   1 int
[03:04] <rootb0x>           set_preamble     (8BE4) : set   1 int   & get   0
[03:04] <rootb0x>           get_preamble     (8BE5) : set   0       & get   1 int
[03:04] <rootb0x>           set_ibssport     (8BE6) : set   1 int   & get   0
[03:04] <Seveas> rootb0x, fool!
[03:04] <_hp_> rootb0x: don't flood
[03:04] <rootb0x>           get_ibssport     (8BE7) : set   0       & get   1 int
[03:04] <rootb0x>           dump_recs        (8BFF) : set   0
[03:04] <Seveas> do not paste here
[03:04] <rootb0x> sorry
[03:04] <k31th> jesus
[03:04] <rootb0x> sorry 4 that
[03:04] <k31th> lol
[03:04] <urb85> ik-sparc, Mplayer or totem media video
[03:04] <sysLink> :o
[03:04] <Seveas> rootb0x, next time, please use ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:04] <ik-sparc> oh ok
[03:05] <k31th> your lucky there arnt elitests in here :p
[03:05] <k31th> you'd of got kicked for that in debian
[03:05] <k31th> lol
[03:05] <morris> ubuntu is growing on me like a fungus
[03:05] <Encrypted> and murdered in some places
[03:05] <Seveas> k31th, we don't like to kick people
[03:05] <sysLink> ik-spark, vlc works nice for me to watch mpg but I just started to use this distro so I don't know if its the best.
[03:05] <_hp_> you say it like it's a bad thing
[03:05] <rootb0x> yes i will read it
[03:05] <rootb0x> yes
[03:05] <rootb0x> sorry
[03:05] <k31th> Seveas: good stuff
[03:05] <ik-sparc> ok
[03:05] <choco1ate> _hp_ : can you do that compilation/build and send me the package, you seem to know your stuff :o
[03:05] <choco1ate> i'll be eternally grateful :P
[03:06] <k31th> these kids seem to love kicking people off channels in irc, must of been bullied at school
[03:06] <choco1ate> _hp_ : heres the link : http://www.sm56.tk/
[03:06] <sysLink> ur probably right k31th :-p
[03:06] <k31th> :p
[03:06] <k31th> ubuntu runs mint on this laptop havent been able to fault it yet
[03:06] <ik-sparc> i search mplayer in synaptic and its not there...
[03:06] <k31th> so much easyer to keep upto date than gentoo as well
[03:06] <Encrypted> rootb0x, lsmod | grep '_cs' .. what _cs modules are loaded ?
[03:07] <sysLink> i just insatlled it on my laptop too, first *nix install ever... pretty damn cool :-D
[03:07] <rootb0x> Encrypted its notlisted
[03:07] <rootb0x> let me see
[03:07] <k31th> sysLink: yeah its great that new people can just throw it on as well, easy installer etc glad its txt based tho
[03:07] <k31th> makes it alot quicker
[03:07] <morris> im running ubuntu on a 650 amd k7 boxen.. 196mb ram.. i am so suprised at how nice it is
[03:07] <sysLink> lol I tried Gnetoo first... omg was that a mistake
[03:08] <trygvebw> :P
[03:08] <rootb0x> Encrypted pcmcia_core            53568  3 orinoco_cs,pcmcia,yenta_socket
[03:08] <rootb0x>  these are the results
[03:08] <seth> Caldera was my first Distro. Caldera 2.2. Since then, I've hated KDE.
[03:08] <morris> sysLink, man.. gentoo is sexy
[03:08] <k31th> sysLink: its a good distro, you would learn alot about linux from installing it etc
[03:08] <hans_> is there a good ftp server prog like bulletproof on windows?
[03:08] <trygvebw> KDE is evil :/
[03:08] <trygvebw> hans_: vsftpd?
[03:08] <seth> I agree.
[03:08] <hans_> thx
[03:08] <k31th> i learned alot from gentoo i still have a gentoo box, its my sisters desktop lol
[03:09] <Encrypted> rootb0x, gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep 'PCMCIA' and paste to pastebin
[03:09] <morris> k31th, does she ever emerge world ;p
[03:09] <_hp_> what does cdrecord: cannot fixate disk mean?
[03:09] <k31th> im glad people are using real distros like this than nasty rpm things like mandrake or mandriva watever it calls its self these days
[03:09] <johns^> #debian
[03:09] <k31th> morris i do it for her
[03:09] <morris> aw thats nice of ya ;)
[03:09] <k31th> lol
[03:09] <reset> hi
[03:09] <k31th> yag
[03:09] <k31th> well i just ssh in
[03:09] <k31th> and update it
[03:09] <reset> xine someone use it?
[03:09] <reset> xine someone use it?
[03:09] <morris> ah easy
[03:10] <trygvebw> yes
[03:10] <Seveas> reset, lots of people
[03:10] <morris> reset reset SHH
[03:10] <seth> reset, what is the problem?
[03:10] <rootb0x> gunzip: grep.gz: No such file or directory
[03:10] <k31th> morris actually i did it this morning and it errord lol
[03:10] <reset> more luminosity
[03:10] <morris> ah poo ;p
[03:10] <k31th> i got to fix that w i cba
[03:10] <reset> where is shortcut
[03:10] <Seveas> robertj, you forgot the |
[03:10] <reset> for luminosity
[03:10] <k31th> im watching starwars tonight at 12:30 lol
[03:10] <morris> k31th, yea i feel ya.. lazy is me also ;p
[03:10] <k31th> first showing
[03:10] <reset> where is shortcut
[03:10] <reset> for luminosity
[03:10] <reset> in xine???
[03:10] <Seveas> reset, please do not repeat so much
[03:10] <ik-sparc> how can i change resources in synaptic if is posible.?
[03:11] <Encrypted> rootb0x, err.. thats not the desired output
[03:11] <Seveas> if someone knows, he/she will answer
[03:11] <reset> sory
[03:11] <k31th> i best get in, they have every screen showing it at cinema