[12:00] <apokryphos> For installing RPMs, I do a "alien *.rpm", and then what? Konqueror opens it in archive manager....
[12:00] <snowblink> geppy: you didn't make your modules?
[12:00] <Phoenix[SPH] > smsmasters: just a note, you might consider reading some security material before putting an apache into the web...
[12:00] <geppy> I'm assuming I did initrd incorrectly, if this is what helps with modules?
[12:00] <smsmasters> what security material
[12:00] <goldfish> how to secure an apache web server maybe
[12:00] <Phoenix[SPH] > holotone: well, it's about mignight over here... but there are some folks around that will help you :)...
[12:00] <smsmasters> i need to know how to setup write permissions
[12:00] <randabis> apokryphos, why are you using rpms?
[12:01] <kirk-code> hey guys. i'm having a bit of a problem here..
[12:01] <holotone> One more question, if I want to install Unbuntu (which it's looking like I will) What's the best way to get it installed as a dual boot w/ the XP pro that's already on my laptop? When I start from scratch, should I make the partitions and install XP first, or Ubuntu, so that the boot manager can do it's thing?
[12:01] <apokryphos> randabis: to install, naturally ;)
[12:01] <randabis> anyway, besides that, alien converts rpms into debs
[12:01] <holotone> thanks pheonix
[12:01] <randabis> apokryphos, install what?
[12:01] <mjr> holotone, XP first
[12:01] <geppy> TheMuso:  Any advice? =)
[12:01] <apokryphos> randabis: I noticed. That's what I did first; don't know what to do with the .deb (I'm new to Debian systems).
[12:01] <snowblink> geppy: did you make modules?
[12:01] <Phoenix[SPH] > smsmasters: like an apache manual, linux manual - you don't want an exploitable webserver do you?
[12:02] <randabis> dpkg -i debname.deb
[12:02] <holotone> do I need to make two partitions right from the start then?
[12:02] <apokryphos> randabis: This time j2re (I already had the RPM in a folder), but I'm sure there's other stuff I'll need to install
[12:02] <holotone> Sorry, newb here, if it isn't obvious already.
[12:02] <geppy> snoblink:  Yes, I built the realtime-lsm module.
[12:02] <mcphail> holotone: 3 (one for swap)
[12:02] <randabis> that's probably not going to work right...you should use the bin not the rpm
[12:02] <kirk-code> this was tested with: ubuntu live, beatrix(which is ubuntu based). right after i configure my networking, applications would stop loading. meaning, i go to execute gaim, and it would say "starting gaim" and then it would disappear and nothing would happen... this is not network apps limited, it's also in regular apps
[12:02] <hizz> hm
[12:02] <blah09> ok
[12:02] <holotone> how big a swap partition?
[12:03] <blah09> twice your ram
[12:03] <holotone> and how much room should I allow for Ubuntu and any further expansion I may do with it??
[12:03] <blah09> anyone here have ubuntu on a laptop with an ALPS touchpad?
[12:03] <goldfish> I do.
[12:03] <blah09> did you manage to get the scroll ares working?
[12:03] <blah09> areas*
[12:03] <kirk-code> can anyone help me with the problem i just noted?
[12:03] <mcphail> holotone: how long is a piece of string?
[12:04] <kulaki> hi, network-admin couldn't setup my modem dialer correctly. the version i have is 1.1.90 hoary. it seems that it doesn't save the setting properly. i'm using wvdial instead. i wanted to turn on my connection using the new modem monitor. any idea?
[12:04] <geppy> snowblink:  I built the realtime-lsm module.
[12:04] <goldfish> hrmm... nope i haven't im afraid.
[12:04] <holotone> well, I'm just saying on average, give my self a bit of room, but not go overboard.
[12:04] <blah09> =/
[12:04] <blah09> did the the noirq thing work btw?
[12:04] <snowblink> geppy: when you were compiling your kernel. You did make dep; make modules; make modules_install?
[12:05] <geppy> snowblink: Oh, no.  I just ran make modules_install
[12:05] <bitfoo> snowblink, what does that do o_O
[12:05] <mcphail> holotone: I use 20 gig with plenty spare. If you format winXP as FAT32 you can read and write from that partition as well
[12:05] <goldfish> holotone: i installed ubuntu from winxp, i just gave myself 20 gigs for ubuntu
[12:05] <randabis> heh you have to make the modules before you can install them :/
[12:05] <geppy> snowblink:  It didn't say to run 'make dep' or 'make modules' in the INSTALL or README files, but I guess that they assumed you should know that. =)
[12:05] <geppy> randabis:  haha =)
[12:05] <holotone> perfect, thanks.
[12:05] <bitfoo> holy crap maybe that is why my custom kernel didnt load ati drivers or wireless driver, all i did was make oldconfig
[12:05] <bitfoo> :|
[12:05] <geppy> I shall soon return, then.
[12:06] <randabis> I think make dep is deprecated in the 2.6 series
[12:06] <Phoenix[SPH] > bitfoo: oldconfig just updates .config... nothing more...
[12:06] <bitfoo> ;[
[12:06] <snowblink> randabis: This is my first 2.6 and I haven't compiled my own kernel on ubuntu yet
[12:06] <mcphail> Isn't there a 2.6 HOWTO?
[12:07] <kirk-code> this was tested with: ubuntu live, beatrix(which is ubuntu based). right after i configure my networking, applications would stop loading. meaning, i go to execute gaim, and it would say "starting gaim" and then it would disappear and nothing would happen... this is not network apps limited, it's also in regular apps --> im not sure it relates to the network config directly
[12:07] <randabis> I find it easier just to use kernel-package.
[12:07] <farruinn> snowblink: have you read the debian howto? I'd imagine the process would be similar
[12:08] <snowblink> farruinn: Not yet. No need to compile a kernel on Ubuntu so far.
[12:08] <holotone> Am I going to have any problems getting my wireless up and running in Ubuntu? I've heard that linux is notorious for being a pain in the ass w/ wireless networking..
[12:08] <cozman> is there any information available on what to do if upon booting the ubuntu CD to install, the splash screen is half missing, and upon hitting enter, it initializes then just goes all black (assumably when the installation switches to a GUI)
[12:09] <farruinn> ubhuti hardware support
[12:09] <ubhuti> well, hardware support is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[12:09] <farruinn> holotone: ^^^
[12:09] <randabis> holotone, depends on your wireless card/chipset
[12:10] <randabis> there's a list of compatible wireless cards/chipsets in the ubuntu wiki complete with their status "out of the box"
[12:10] <cozman> I'm using a Radeon Mobility that should be supported
[12:10] <farruinn> cozman: that's normal
[12:10] <holotone> where's the ubuntu equivilant of device manager so I can check it out?
[12:10] <holotone> I actually forgot which chipset I've got.
[12:10] <cozman> farruinn, what do I do?
[12:10] <dbt`veritas> so if i want to change my default os to windows can i just pico/vi/whatever the menu.lst file and reboot and it'll then goto my new os or do i have to do something different?
[12:11] <farruinn> cozman: does the screen go completely black and doesn't do anything? The installer is textual
[12:11] <farruinn> holotone: Computer>System Configuration>Device Manager
[12:11] <mcphail> dbt`veritas: yes
[12:12] <dbt`veritas> thanks
[12:12] <goldfish> Can you get transparency on these terminals? the setting in profile doesn't seem to work for me :/
[12:12] <cozman> well the splash is corrupted, but I hit enter anyway, and then it loads vmlinuz and does some stuff (way too fast to catch)
[12:12] <holotone> bcm94306
[12:12] <holotone> broadcom
[12:12] <cozman> then it says something along the lines of "starting..." and goes to nothing but black
[12:13] <blah09> ok, anything i should take note of before doing a dist-upgrade to hoary?
[12:13] <goldfish> cozman: ubuntu not boot into gui mode?
[12:13] <jaza> ROFL U MUST ALL SEE THIS LMFAO !!!
[12:13] <jaza> http://db.playego.com.br/orafiles/01122005120941567g.swf
[12:13] <jaza> omg ROFL
[12:13] <holotone> there's an entry for  BCM4306, which is stated that it doesn't work out of box
[12:14] <holotone> is that the same family of chipset as mine?
[12:14] <Phoenix[SPH] > cozman: you might tell ubuntu to boot without framebuffer support - but dunno how....
[12:14] <randabis> http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31061
[12:14] <cozman> goldfish: no, a corrupted GUI, some quick text, then nothing
[12:14] <jaza> http://db.playego.com.br/orafiles/01122005120941567g.swf
[12:14] <jaza> rofl
[12:14] <farruinn> goldfish: I believe cozman is booting the install cd however
[12:14] <cozman> yes, I am
[12:15] <farruinn> jaza: we got it the first time, thanks
[12:15] <jaza> u c it?
[12:15] <jaza> omg LMFAO
[12:15] <goldfish> i installed ubuntu yesterday and i got the same blank screen after it started gnome
[12:16] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[12:16] <cozman> goldfish: during the install?
[12:16] <goldfish> i got it fixed by logging into recovery mode and running 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86' and setting it up there, then startx
[12:16] <jaza> wow whos desk is that
[12:16] <goldfish> oh no
[12:16] <jaza> thats leet
[12:16] <blah09> is that an eterm?
[12:17] <goldfish> cozman: everything installed ok
[12:17] <goldfish> cozman: it just wouldnt boot into gui
[12:17] <randabis> that's my desk :)
[12:17] <jaza> how
[12:17] <randabis> no, that's Terminal, not eterm
[12:17] <jaza> is that ubuntu?
[12:17] <cozman> oh, this is during the install, it just hangs
[12:17] <goldfish> sorry i missed the question
[12:17] <randabis> yes it's ubuntu
[12:17] <snowblink> farruinn: where can I find the Deb kernel howto?
[12:17] <jaza> wtf?
[12:17] <goldfish> cozman: ah sorry :/
[12:17] <jaza> howd u do that
[12:17] <jaza> theme?
[12:17] <jaza> where do u get them
[12:17] <randabis> read the console, it says hoary :p
[12:17] <jaza> :P
[12:17] <farruinn> snowblink: check www.debian.org/docs. I can't remember if there is one specifically for compiling the kernel, but I do know that there are some pages in the install manual
[12:17] <jaza> hoary sux
[12:18] <randabis> it's XFCE 4.2
[12:18] <randabis> no it doesn't
[12:18] <randabis> it rawks my sox
[12:18] <jaza> how do i get hoary lol
[12:18] <jaza> upgrade or os
[12:18] <jaza> ?
[12:18] <blah09> randabis thats an eterm isnt it?
[12:18] <randabis> you don't need hoary to do what I did, but read the faqs
[12:18] <randabis> blah09, no
[12:18] <blah09> oh?
[12:19] <blah09> so are you gonna share the secret? ;)
[12:19] <randabis> Terminal
[12:19] <blah09> ive been trying to get eterm to look like that but it refuses
[12:19] <randabis> an xfce app
[12:19] <blah09> oh
[12:19] <blah09> is it apt-gettable?
[12:20] <blah09> sorry can't check, apt is tied up doing a dist-upgrade
[12:20] <snowblink> farruinn: cheers. Will take a look at the weekend
[12:20] <cozman> got it, thanks everyone for trying to help :)  it was actually covered in the help on the installer, I found the line to use my 4th read oer
[12:20] <farruinn> snowblink: ok, good luck with it =)
[12:20] <randabis> blah09, possibly, but I installed it with the graphical installer at www.xfce.org
[12:20] <Anubis> I have the k7 kernel and with it X crashes
[12:21] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: doesnt get the media player into the way down the screen?
[12:21] <farruinn> blah09: I didn't find it with apt-cache search :/
[12:21] <holotone> thanks for the help, ya'll, I'm sure I'll be back around during the big install.
[12:21] <holotone> Thanks
[12:21] <goldfish> Do i need to install a plugin to play .swf files?
[12:21] <blah09> oh =(
[12:21] <oMega505> hey guys, i got a question about how to start a script at startup.
[12:21] <blah09> yeah you do
[12:21] <oMega505> i dloaded wifi_radar
[12:22] <blah09> do a sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:22] <randabis> Phoenix[SPH] , do what?
[12:22] <blah09> (@goldfish)
[12:22] <goldfish> blah09: cheers
[12:22] <oMega505> how do i make it startup automatically at boot time?
[12:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis possibly mean a "Gnome Terminal"... eterm is a *Terminal*
[12:22] <farruinn> oMega505: if it's not critical it runs at boot you can put it into your gnome session
[12:23] <Phoenix[SPH] > okay... I just read it isn't :)
[12:23] <oMega505> farruinn, i did that, but it didnt work
[12:23] <mcphail> oMega505: might be easiest to add to crontab
[12:23] <randabis> Phoenix[SPH] , the program is called TERMINAL
[12:23] <oMega505> it has to be run with sudo
[12:23] <randabis> it's not gnome-terminal or eterm
[12:23] <Phoenix[SPH] > blah09: apt-cache should work regardless....
[12:23] <mcphail> oMega505: root crontab
[12:24] <randabis> to answer your question, the media player doesn't get in the way
[12:24] <blah09> ah yeah thanks
[12:24] <blah09> terminal - a Terminal Emulator for GNUstep
[12:24] <blah09> that one?
[12:24] <randabis> the Terminal window is a fixed size
[12:24] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[12:24] <randabis> blah09, I don't know...like I said, I didn't apt-get it
[12:25] <oMega505> uhh hehe, where is crontab?
[12:25] <oMega505> :p
[12:25] <mcphail> oMega505: crontab -e
[12:25] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: so gaim docks nicely and a gkrellm would no be able to function as dock?
[12:26] <mcphail> oMega505: Then insert: @reboot /path/to/script
[12:26] <randabis> sure
[12:26] <oMega505> mcphail, thanks!
[12:26] <ian_brasil> ola...trying to get midi working on a fresh install ...any docs/links for me to look at
[12:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: when you work some more in the terminal, the prompt is at the bottom of the terminal window, and if the media player is on top of the terminal you won't see what you are typing....
[12:27] <farruinn> ian_brasil: there is a nice howto at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736
[12:28] <ian_brasil> thx farruinn
[12:28] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: where does the terminal "border"?
[12:28] <randabis> it's a fixed size, and only uses about a quarter of the screen
[12:29] <randabis> i never have an problems with xmms overlapping the terminal
[12:29] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: okay, I got it - it's borderless
[12:29] <geppy> Alright.  I've run make bzImage and make modules.  The INSTALL for the realtime-lsm says to run 'lilo', but I'm wondering what the grub equivalent of this would be?  grub-install, with special parameters?
[12:30] <HaRDaWaY> hi, i have a problem, when i compile kernel 2.6.10-2 of ubuntu, i have vesa fb, and i put: vga=791...but console not appears...anybody have idea?
[12:30] <randabis> editting menu.lst should be all you have to do
[12:31] <geppy> randabis:  Alright.
[12:31] <Phoenix[SPH] > geppy: make modules_install and copy your arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot/yourkernelname (vmlinuz-2.6.x)
[12:32] <geppy> Phoenix[SPH] :  Alright. =)
[12:32] <geppy> What do I need to do about initrd?  Just run mkinitrd?  Any parameters, or anything?
[12:32] <geppy> Other than the output file, of course.
[12:33] <randabis> mkinitrd initrdname.img kernelname
[12:33] <geppy> randabis:  Thanks.
[12:34] <randabis> I "think it's .img
[12:34] <randabis> check /boot to be sure
[12:34] <geppy> randabis:  Yeah, it is. =)
[12:43] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  warty booted but xdint come up right
[12:43] <zenrox> i know why too
[12:43] <LinuxJones> why ?
[12:44] <zenrox> xfree wasnt configured for my built in vod card
[12:44] <zenrox> vid
[12:44] <zenrox> that ant a prob
[12:44] <zenrox> tho
[12:44] <LinuxJones> heh
[12:44] <zenrox> but it will not boot with the nv fx5200
[12:45] <zenrox> knoppix loves the nv fx5200 tho
[12:46] <zenrox> so ubuntu dont like that vid card
[12:46] <zenrox> it ends in a kernel panic
[12:46] <zenrox> then locks up
[12:47] <zenrox> even the ubuntu live cd dont boot up
[12:47] <zenrox> i even put the vid card in to another pci slot
[12:47] <zenrox> still nothing
[12:48] <farruinn> zenrox: this is warty?
[12:48] <zenrox> yep
[12:48] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, after setting the network in the live CD, Ubuntu won't let me run any new program. Does anyone know of the reason and how to fix ?
[12:48] <zenrox> warty hangs on starting hotplug
[12:48] <zenrox> when nv fx5200 in in the sys
[12:49] <farruinn> zenrox: what if you boot in rescue mode?
[12:49] <zenrox> same thang
[12:49] <zenrox> hangs on starting hotplug
[12:49] <zenrox> farruinn,  will you be on lator
[12:49] <zenrox> i gots to go to wrok
[12:50] <zenrox> in 10 mins
[12:50] <farruinn> yeah, I'll probably be around
[12:50] <zenrox> knoppix uses the vid just fine
[12:50] <zenrox> its what is displaying x atm
[12:51] <cavediver> Hi! Does anyone manage to install Firefox 1 and Thunderbird 1 in Warty AMD64 ?
[12:51] <gollum> How can i activate my root account in ubuntu?
[12:51] <zenrox> hmm so i know it ant a bad vid card
[12:51] <cavediver> gollum: sudo passwd root
[12:51] <zenrox> or disabling the built in one on my mobo
[12:51] <gollum> thanks
[12:51] <zenrox> its not hardware
[12:51] <zenrox> that much i know
[12:51] <zenrox> but ubuntu warty just wont boot
[12:52] <zenrox> if the card in hooked up
[12:52] <gollum> And one more thing, i run xmms and i can`t get some sound out of my speakers, what can be wrong? I get a error on xmms.
[12:52] <cavediver> Man i don't like Firefox 0.8 :/ And don't want Hoary either..
[12:52] <geppy> gollum:  try 'killall esd'
[12:52] <LinuxJones> cavediver, you can download and install firefox from the mozilla website
[12:52] <vrecan> cavediver have you tried just grabing the linux gui installer from their site
[12:52] <gollum> i says no prosess runs thats named esd.
[12:53] <geppy> gollum: ah, alright.
[12:53] <vrecan> it worked just fine for me
[12:53] <geppy> gollum:  What error does XMMS give you?
[12:53] <gollum> Hmm, hold on,
[12:53] <cavediver> I've tried that, however id didn't start the installer when I ran the script.
[12:53] <vrecan> did you make sure its executable?
[12:54] <cavediver> i think so. Will try again.
[12:54] <gollum> Check that: The soundcard is correctly configured... No other program blocks the sound, and something about output.
[12:54] <kirk-code> can anyone help me with this??
[12:54] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, after setting the network in the live CD, Ubuntu won't let me run any new program. Does anyone know of the reason and how to fix ?
[12:54] <vrecan> cavediver make sure to start it in term with sudo ./filename
[12:54] <cavediver> I get this: ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:54] <vrecan> hmm
[12:54] <vrecan> just have to grab it then from synaptic
[12:55] <neom> I couldn't ssh to my server from work -> home today, and I was sitting just racking my brains as to what it could be. And I got home, and I was fucking around with the box, I rebooted it, reinstalled sshd, etc etc.
[12:55] <neom> And then I realized the ethenet cable had falled out of the back of the router. :(
[12:55] <cavediver> vrecan: libgtk-x11 you mean ?
[12:55] <gollum> greppy, should i use esound, OSS or alsa?
[12:55] <geppy> neom: haha
[12:55] <gollum> none of em works.
[12:55] <janc> cavediver : use ubuntu-bp.sf.net repository to get FF 1.0
[12:55] <geppy> gollum:  Do you want to have sound from other applications, as well?
[12:55] <geppy> gollum:  you might as well go with ESD
[12:55] <gollum> Yeah
[12:56] <geppy> gollum:  Yeah, use ESD.
[12:56] <cavediver> janc: Does that work on the AMD64 version ?
[12:56] <gollum> I just need to have sound on my computer, but im using xmms to test.
[12:56] <janc> ah, probably not
[12:56] <gollum> i get same error with esound
[12:56] <cavediver> janc: I think I've tried it and it didn't work
[12:56] <geppy> gollum:  Can you copy and paste the error?
[12:56] <gollum> Check that: The soundcard is correctly configured... No other program blocks the sound, and something about output.
[12:56] <neom> Is there a command to view the dependencys of an application?
[12:57] <goldfish> gollum: are u on a dell machine?
[12:57] <gollum> Yes i am
[12:57] <goldfish> k
[12:57] <gollum> Laptop
[12:57] <gollum> howcome?
[12:57] <goldfish> i had that problem
[12:57] <cavediver> I can't find libgtk-x11 package either.
[12:57] <gollum> What did you do ?
[12:57] <goldfish> i'll tell u how to fix it now
[12:57] <goldfish> one sec :)
[12:57] <gollum> Ok, thanks
[12:57] <mike998> gollum: I have that problem too
[12:57] <mike998> dell inspiron 1150
[12:57] <blah09> neom you could try apt-get install -s
[12:58] <neom> k
[12:58] <gollum> Dell Inspiron 510m
[12:58] <gollum> :D
[12:58] <blah09> 500m here
[12:58] <blah09> you guys having the no sound/wifi problem?
[12:58] <mike998> now if the wireless router would arrive, I could test the wireless
[12:58] <mike998> hehe
[12:58] <goldfish> ah blah09 told me how to fix it
[12:59] <goldfish> i can't remember now
[12:59] <goldfish> :)
[12:59] <blah09> lol
[12:59] <blah09> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:59] <goldfish> that's the one :)
[01:00] <mike998> i did borrow a 802.11a wireless access point and a pcmcia card but ubuntu doesn't know how to appy power to it.  It seems to be a known error... but not fixed
[01:00] <gollum> Hmm *waiting for the help to arrive*
[01:00] <blah09> behind the line that says #nonaltoptions
[01:00] <blah09> insert "acpi=noirq"
[01:00] <blah09> without the ""
[01:00] <gollum> I can`t find any wlan with my card in ubuntu, but i got my own router so i know it is one avaible.
[01:00] <blah09> save and exit
[01:00] <goldfish> gollum: there what blah09 said
[01:00] <gollum> ok
[01:00] <gollum> holdo n
[01:00] <gollum> ;)
[01:00] <blah09> sudo update-grub
[01:00] <blah09> then reboot
[01:00] <mike998> ohhh
[01:01] <neom> "This APT has Super Cow Powers" LOL
[01:02] <neom> -never- noticed that before.
[01:02] <blah09> lol
[01:02] <pepperpot> neom, where does it say that?
[01:02] <neom> apt --help
[01:02] <buga> neom: try running `apt-get moo' :)
[01:03] <mike998> heh
[01:03] <mike998> that's funny
[01:03] <pepperpot> neom, what package is apt in?
[01:03] <neom> ~~easteregg~~
[01:03] <ubhuti> neom: I give up, what is it?
[01:04] <pepperpot> lol
[01:04] <neom> That is really cool.
[01:04] <pepperpot> is that from ubuntu or debian?
[01:04] <pepperpot> the super cow powers
[01:04] <neom> ubuntu, hoary.
[01:04] <pepperpot> i saw the cow and i think i'm using warty
[01:05] <mike998> i saw a cow and i am on warty
[01:05] <geppy> mkinitrd... sudo mkinitrd vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-real -o initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-real
[01:05] <geppy> that's not working.
[01:05] <snowblink> It's a Debian cow
[01:05] <neom> hoary seems very stable to me.
[01:05] <geppy> How do I specify which kernel to use for mkinitrd?
[01:05] <neom> I'm not pushing it too hard yet though.
[01:06] <mike998> works like a champ for me
[01:06] <mike998> this laptop is only a week or so old... it only ran WinXP for long enough for me to check all the hardware was working
[01:06] <mike998> then I pulled out my Ubnuntu CDs...
[01:07] <gollum> What should i write in the menu shit again?
[01:07] <geppy> (18:00:12) blah09: behind the line that says #nonaltoptions
[01:07] <geppy> (18:00:15) blah09: insert "acpi=noirq"
[01:07] <geppy> (18:00:19) blah09: without the ""
[01:07] <crimsun> remember to ,,sudo update-grub'' afterward.
[01:07] <gollum> i did so, and i rebooted and when i looked at the file the shit aint there anymore.
[01:08] <snowblink> geppy: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.blahblah.img
[01:08] <gollum> that shit didnt work :(
[01:08] <geppy> snowblink: But how do I specify the kernel to use for building it?  I think I've found the answer on redhat.com
[01:08] <neom> How does everyone pronouce debian? Cause I say deb ee en, and a guy at work says dee bain.
[01:08] <geppy> neom:  It's a mix of "deborah" and "ian"
[01:09] <neom> So i is deb ian
[01:09] <geppy> Right.
[01:09] <pepperpot> should name a kid that
[01:09] <geppy> like "deb ee en"
[01:09] <pepperpot> lol
[01:09] <neom> I'm smack cliff tomorrow when he says dee bian.
[01:09] <geppy> hahaha
[01:10] <thully> Hi - I wondered if anyone here who runs hoary has had major breakage after a dist-upgrade (meaning, X doesn't start, or you can't log on)?
[01:10] <neom> X didn't start for me.
[01:10] <geppy> snowblink: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrdblahblah 2.6.<rest-of-desired-kernel-designation>
[01:10] <geppy> thully:  X is broken.
[01:10] <geppy> Or, that's what the topic says.
[01:10] <mike998> I had some problems with packages not working... can't remember what they were, but I decided to reinstall rather than fix it
[01:10] <crimsun> thully: yes, but not due to Hoary (rather, due to over 1 GB PC133 dying on me).
[01:11] <Imbroglio> quick question, what's default root password?
[01:11] <crimsun> there isn't one.
[01:11] <Imbroglio> :/
[01:11] <geppy> Imbroglio:  Use your user password
[01:11] <mike998> it's the same as the first user you create
[01:11] <Imbroglio> ahh okay
[01:11] <pepperpot> maybe i should try upgrading to hoary from debian sid. Right now I'm running warty off another partition, to try it out. I think I'm ready to let go of debian on this machine.
[01:11] <geppy> Imbroglio: 'sudo' is powerful fun. =)
[01:11] <Imbroglio> makes sense
[01:12] <Imbroglio> every other distro ever used asked for a root password
[01:12] <geppy> heh
[01:12] <AndyR> thully, i havent seen that
[01:12] <thully> Well - I heard X was fixed yesterday
[01:12] <geppy> Yeah.
[01:12] <neom> When I did the upgrade I had to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after the first reboot.
[01:12] <Imbroglio> hate how they default the cray
[01:12] <gollum> why did the line disapear again?
[01:12] <gollum> I think im going to go to hell some day
[01:12] <gollum> :o
[01:12] <eruin> anyone able to recommend a good p2p client?
[01:12] <neom> Actually no, I guess it was sudo apt-get -f install.
[01:12] <geppy> eruin:  limewire?
[01:12] <thully> well, if I go in here and ask "Is there any major breakage" before doing a dist-upgrade that contains major updates, am I safe?
[01:12] <eruin> o.O thx
[01:13] <crimsun> gollum: please see what I typed regarding update-grub.
[01:13] <pepperpot> hehe limewire
[01:13] <geppy> Just out of curiosity, when did /etc/grub/grub.conf move to /etc/grub/menu.lst?
[01:13] <gollum> i did do that
[01:13] <eruin> geppy: should I get it off limewire.com ?
[01:13] <mike998> gollum: were you editing the file as the sudo user?
[01:14] <gollum> Yes
[01:14] <TreadingSoftl1> Hi folks. Has anyone managed to get RealPlayer working on hoary?
[01:14] <gollum> i did everything u guys told me to by line
[01:14] <pepperpot> is it worth getting limewire pro?
[01:14] <spacey> any idea why i can't find the openoffice.org2 package in hoary?
[01:14] <thenuke> is limewire good p2p?
[01:14] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: i believe it's in universe
[01:14] <goldfish> eruin: azureus ! torrents!
[01:14] <geppy> eruin:  Yes.
[01:14] <thenuke> I need some p2p-software for my sister
[01:14] <pepperpot> noooo not torrents
[01:14] <geppy> pepperpot:  No./
[01:14] <Xirdneh> eruin, giFT with, Ares and Gnutella plug ins is goof
[01:14] <Xirdneh> good
[01:14] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, its in main but i have main and universe
[01:14] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, after setting the network in the live CD, Ubuntu won't let me run any new program. Does anyone know of the reason and how to fix ?
[01:14] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: (no, it's in main)
[01:14] <neom> thully - You whould be safe.
[01:15] <gollum> I need help, im desperate after music and rest of my programs needs sounds! :)
[01:15] <spacey> i can find openoffice.org2-common but i can't find -core
[01:15] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: i stand corrected :)
[01:15] <goldfish> kirk-code: i got the same problem, i just ran all the stuuf before i set the net connection :)
[01:15] <geppy> Xirdneh:  I've never figured out how the hell to use GiFT.  Perhaps it's firewall problems, but I set up port-forwarding like it asked me to.
[01:15] <spacey> i don't understand
[01:15] <mike998> all the torrent sites I used to use have gone away
[01:15] <crimsun> spacey: (that, too, is in main)
[01:15] <goldfish> torrentspy.com is a good search one
[01:15] <kirk-code> goldfish: really? so this is a bug?
[01:15] <eruin> goldfish: I already use torrents
[01:15] <eruin> I want p2p too :-)
[01:15] <crimsun> spacey: make sure your apt proxy is current if you're using one
[01:16] <spacey> crimsun, i don't use apt-proxy
[01:16] <goldfish> kirk-code: I have no idea, but i had the problem, i have moved to the install disk now.
[01:16] <spacey> besides i pull updates for hoary everyday
[01:16] <kirk-code> goldfish: it works on disk ?
[01:16] <spacey> so its updated allright
[01:16] <crimsun> spacey: what does ,,apt-cache policy openoffice.org2-core'' reveal?
[01:16] <goldfish> kirk-code: What works?
[01:16] <gollum> If anyone can help me with my sound drivers on my dell (its a sigmatel card) please /msg me!
[01:16] <goldfish> kirk-code: oh everything is fine on install
[01:16] <kirk-code> goldfish: i see. however in knoppix everything seems to work fine, you know ?
[01:16] <spacey> crimsun, no real info
[01:17] <goldfish> kirk-code: nah im a complete linux noob i think it is a bug
[01:17] <kirk-code> i think maybe i should issue the ifconfig command myself
[01:17] <Xirdneh> geppy, well i just install it with giFTcurs client, dont do anithing in the setup just the basic, plug ins and stuff, just make giftd -v and wait, then start giFTcurs and all worked out fine
[01:17] <crimsun> gollum: the parameter (without the quotes) is placed at the end of the line beginning with # kopt=, which for me, is line 62 of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:17] <niptac> Hi guys, how do I compile gaim? are there any instructions on how to compile things?
[01:17] <gollum> crimsun: huh? say what? :)
[01:17] <kirk-code> niptac: make;make test;make install --
[01:17] <geppy|busy> niptac:  ./configure; make; sudo make install
[01:17] <spacey> crimsun, could it be that some file is corrupted
[01:17] <RalfG> why you want to compile it?
[01:17] <crimsun> niptac: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim && apt-get -b source gaim
[01:18] <geppy|busy> niptac:  Read the INSTALL file
[01:18] <niptac> ok thanks will read the Install
[01:19] <steve> does anyone know how I can get my laptp to hibernate
[01:19] <steve> the ACPI is on
[01:19] <crimsun> gollum: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst, scroll down to the line beginning with # kopt=, and append  acpi=noirq to the end
[01:20] <steve> okay, when I want to hibernate, then what do I do
[01:20] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: browsing through archive.ubuntu.com, this may be the file you're looking for: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org2/openoffice.org2-core_1.9.66-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[01:21] <TreadingSoftl1> Any hoary and realplayer users around?
[01:21] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: 10 gold update 1 or something, yeah.
[01:23] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: did you have to do anything different to get it working? I followed the instructions from the unofficial guide, which worked for warty. But realplayer command doesn't do much (strace reveals it stops at a WAITPID). Seems others have the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7017.html So what did you do different?
[01:26] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: I didn't follow the unofficial guide, so I'll need a few minutes to trace the instructions it recommends.
[01:26] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, yes somehow apt doesn't see it. maybe some apt file is corrupted
[01:26] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: ah okay, thanks :)
[01:27] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: maybe they pulled it out temporarily because of a problem with the package ...?
[01:27] <niptac> RalfG: I want to compile it cause the latest gaim 1.1.2 is not available in apt sources, and in http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php there is no .deb package available
[01:28] <niptac> bye bye now ;)
[01:28] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, then you couldn't find it on the mirror ?
[01:28] <crimsun> niptac: do you mean for Warty?
[01:28] <niptac> crimsun: yes
[01:29] <crimsun> niptac: 1:1.1.1-2ubuntu6 is available in Hoary
[01:29] <TreadingSoftl1> no - i mean maybe they pulled it out of the package list for hoary, but left it in place in pool ... but i don't know ... i'd need to check the list .. and my apt is busy updating at the moment
[01:29] <spacey> there is also some warty backport site
[01:29] <niptac> I know but that would have to be backported?
[01:29] <spacey> not sure how good those packages are though
[01:29] <crimsun> niptac: if you can wait 10-15 minutes, I can generate a backport for it.
[01:29] <niptac> I was adviced here not to use backports
[01:29] <niptac> ok
[01:30] <spacey> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ ?
[01:30] <crimsun> ubuntu-bp's packages are horribly versioned.
[01:30] <spacey> ah
[01:30] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: firefox backport worked fine, for what it's worth
[01:30] <gort_> does natilus have a command that will recursively create thumbnails without having to open up each dir?
[01:30] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, i use hoary :)
[01:30] <spacey> hoary is pretty stable now fortunaly:)
[01:30] <crimsun> the reason we don't recommend using them is their versioning will cause havoc when dist-upgrading from Warty to Hoary.
[01:30] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: me too, on my laptop
[01:30] <jasonf> I'm having a strange problem
[01:30] <jasonf> grub pauses at "Grub loading stage 1.5" for about 30 seconds before loading a menu
[01:30] <crimsun> jasonf: you're always having strange problems :p
[01:31] <jasonf> any idea why / how to speed it up
[01:31] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: hence broken RealPlayer tho :(
[01:31] <spacey> jasonf, its in the grub config file
[01:31] <jasonf> crimsun: same strange problem as before, just hoping to actually get a resolution this time
[01:31] <spacey>  /boot/grub
[01:31] <jasonf> spacey: no, it's not
[01:31] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: fair enough on the recommendation; but isn't it best to dist-upgrade from a fresh warty installation anyhow?
[01:31] <spacey> oh
[01:31] <spacey> =P
[01:31] <jasonf> spacey: it take it 30 seconds to LOAD GRUB, not to load the default config
[01:32] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: certainly.
[01:32] <gollum> thanks guys
[01:32] <spacey> ahja wierd
[01:32] <gollum> !! :)
[01:32] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: granted, some of us actually take care in our backports to version the packages correctly so a smooth dist-upgrade occurs.
[01:32] <gollum> <3
[01:32] <goldfish> gollum: WOO!
[01:32] <gollum> ;)
[01:32] <goldfish> gollum: New to linux?
[01:32] <gollum> Just got some ppl thats saying other things in the same room as me, and i trusted them, but they just told me crap
[01:32] <gollum> :)
[01:32] <gollum> goldfish: naw, just not that good yet ;)
[01:33] <goldfish> ah right
[01:33] <goldfish> I only using it for 2 days
[01:33] <gollum> Ok;)
[01:33] <goldfish> It's hard to get used to.
[01:33] <goldfish> This channel helps alot though.
[01:33] <gollum> I used it for 2 years, but have used windows between
[01:33] <goldfish> ah right
[01:34] <will> any one here used freenet?
[01:34] <jasonf> hrm
[01:34] <jasonf> lets ask a different question:
[01:35] <jasonf> is there an easy way to switch from lilo to grub on an ubuntu system with multiple kernels, dual booting with windows
[01:36] <crimsun> niptac: any particular reason you want the latest upstream version?
[01:37] <niptac> crimsun I thought it would fix a bug, there is a problem in gaim it's set by default to "Away" and I cannot change it to any other mode.
[01:38] <crimsun> niptac: are you positive 1.1.2 resolves that?
[01:38] <andrewski> what package provides those nice white cursors (the default ones)?
[01:38] <jasonf> niptac: that's NotABug
[01:38] <niptac> not sure
[01:38] <niptac> jasonf: no?
[01:38] <jasonf> niptac: probably a corrupted profile on your end
[01:38] <LinuxJones> jasonf, do you still have grub installed ?
[01:38] <jasonf> niptac: go to #gaim
[01:38] <jasonf> LinuxJones: yes
[01:38] <jasonf> LinuxJones: scrollback to read my problems with grub though
[01:39] <niptac> jasonf: every1 is asleep there
[01:39] <jasonf> "it pauses at "loading stage 1.5" for about 30 seconds, then loads as normal"
[01:39] <jasonf> niptac: patience.
[01:39] <crimsun> niptac: I am extremely hesitant to create a backport for which a Warty security update exists
[01:39] <niptac> ok
[01:39] <MLimburg> well, i finally got my ATI drivers to work .. now the next issue .. where's my sound :P
[01:39] <jasonf> niptac: you aren't paying people to help you, so you have to wait :)
[01:39] <jasonf> LinuxJones: so what do I do?
[01:39] <niptac> that's a good point ;)
[01:40] <goldfish> bash: whois: command not found
[01:40] <goldfish> Am I just stupid?
[01:40] <crimsun> goldfish: sudo aptitude install whois
[01:40] <LinuxJones> jasonf, you can change those settings in gdm-setup
[01:40] <goldfish> crimsun: k
[01:40] <LinuxJones> jasonf, go back to grub first
[01:40] <jasonf> LinuxJones: what does GDM have anything to do with grub?
[01:41] <jasonf> LinuxJones: I haven't touched my grub install at all -- it works atm, although annoyingly slow
[01:41] <LinuxJones> jasonf, I thought you might have set a delayed login or something
[01:42] <jasonf> LinuxJones: this guy has the same prob as me
[01:42] <jasonf> LinuxJones: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8499&highlight=grub+stage+1.5
[01:42] <andrewski> does anyone know which package provides the default cursor theme?
[01:42] <jasonf> LinuxJones: it's a problem with the *bootloader* taking ages to load
[01:42] <jasonf> and apparently lilo doesn't have that problem
[01:42] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones:: Help !!!
[01:43] <jasonf> but I'm afraid to switch to lilo, for fear of something breaking
[01:44] <LinuxJones> jasonf, did you do a system upgrade to update all of your packages ?
[01:44] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, what's wrong ?
[01:44] <jasonf> LinuxJones: I'm running hoary. I've done all the "stupid little fix" things.
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> hey if i get cedega for 3 months, can i cancel it after the 3 months? they only have 3 months on the renewing option..for non-renewing its only 6 months
[01:44] <LinuxJones> jasonf, Hoary :D
[01:44] <jasonf> Cloudchaser: buy the renewing and cancel it.
[01:45] <Anubis> lot of stuff I use seems broken in Ubuntu?:(
[01:45] <Cloudchaser> ok just wanted to make sure i could cancel it after 3 months
[01:45] <Anubis> Like
[01:45] <Anubis> gdekslets
[01:45] <Anubis> giFT
[01:45] <Anubis> with FastTrack and Gnutella plugins
[01:45] <Anubis> also
[01:45] <MLimburg> yeah i cant get gdesklets to run straight from apt-get
[01:46] <MLimburg> its on my to-do list to look into
[01:46] <Anubis> while doing intensive things like installing apps, my music play is interrupted
[01:46] <snowblink> gdesklets runs fine on warty
[01:46] <MLimburg> not all of us are on warty
[01:46] <MLimburg> oh
[01:46] <MLimburg> hang on
[01:46] <MLimburg> yes i am
[01:46] <Anubis> I used the one in the repositories
[01:46] <jasonf> LinuxJones: ah-ha!
[01:46] <jasonf> LinuxJones: I think I know the problem
[01:46] <Anubis> which is very old
[01:46] <MLimburg> dont worry about me .. i need coffee
[01:46] <Anubis> gdesklets
[01:46] <LinuxJones> Don't complain if you run Hoary :)
[01:47] <jasonf> LinuxJones: grub by default looks for a floppy drive -- I have none
[01:47] <thully_> hi - I'm rsyncing a hoary install image now - how do I tell how long rsyncing will take?
[01:47] <Anubis> Warty
[01:47] <MLimburg> yeah i'm on warty .. i keep getting them mixed up :P
[01:47] <jasonf> LinuxJones: gotta love gentoo forums :) they usually have an answer to everything
[01:47] <Anubis> can i "complain" now?
[01:47] <mike998> there is a how to on the forums on how to get gdesklets running
[01:47] <Anubis> mike998, link please?
[01:47] <mike998> uhhh
[01:47] <snowblink> Anubis: what problems with gdesklets?
[01:47] <mike998> hang on
[01:47] <jasonf> LinuxJones: so now my question is: any easy way to switch from grub to lilo
[01:47] <MLimburg> cool .. ta mike998
[01:47] <njan> jasonf, why would you want to?
[01:48] <mike998> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012&highlight=gdekslets
[01:48] <Anubis> snowblink, I'll get back with you after I try to install and use the latest version
[01:48] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, how can I add TTF fonts (From Windows) to my existing LIVECD Ubuntu ??
[01:48] <Anubis> but the one in the repositories crashed
[01:48] <snowblink> Anubis: I'm using straight out of the warty repos
[01:48] <Anubis> and did not come with the gdeklet shell cmd?
[01:48] <jasonf> njan: grub has issues on my system -- it takes >30sec to load a menu
[01:48] <snowblink> Anubis: 0.26.2
[01:48] <Anubis> snowblink, WOW
[01:48] <blah09> wow hoary is nice
[01:48] <LinuxJones> jasonf, apt-get install lilo && dpkg-reconfigure lilo
[01:49] <jasonf> LinuxJones: it'll copy over all the information in my grub.conf?
[01:49] <snowblink> Anubis: yup. gdesklets whatever.display
[01:49] <jasonf> LinuxJones: i.e. windows dual boot and all that
[01:49] <mike998> Anubis, check the link I posted
[01:49] <mrproper> I am having a hard time getting my PCI wireless card working in Ubuntu 4.10.  Could someone help me?
[01:49] <kirk-code> can anyone help me ?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> jasonf, it used to work the other way around in Debian, I can't say for sure in Ubuntu but I woudl assume so :)
[01:49] <Anubis> mike998, doing so now
[01:50] <mdz> jasonf: no, if you install lilo, you need to configure it
[01:50] <kirk-code> Can I add TTF Fonts to a Ubuntu running from LiveCD ?
[01:50] <Anubis> snowblink, I installed all the displays from the reposite
[01:50] <mrproper> So could someone help me (I hit the wrong button)?
[01:50] <jasonf> mdz: will a kpkg still automatically add the kernel to the list?
[01:50] <snowblink> Anubis: you have to start one instance of gdesklets running first
[01:50] <mdz> jasonf: no
[01:50] <Anubis> snowblink, do i have to type gdesklet display for evereyone?
[01:50] <mdz> jasonf: these are the reasons why grub is preferred over lilo
[01:50] <snowblink> Anubis: AFAIK yes
[01:50] <Anubis> and which directory did synaptic hide them in?
[01:50] <jasonf> mdz: that's horrible. Blegh.
[01:51] <TreadingSoftl1> kirk-code: yes that is possible; there is a command to add fonts to X for a session
[01:51] <mike998> meh I prefer gkrellm
[01:51] <jasonf> mdz: well then, possibly you could help me resolve my grub issue
[01:51] <Anubis> snowblink, thats why the gdesklet shell was nice
[01:51] <LinuxJones> jasonf, your system works ok except for this error ?
[01:51] <kirk-code> TreadingSoftl1, great... HOW ?
[01:51] <mdz> jasonf: I can show you where to report a bug
[01:51] <snowblink> Anubis: /usr/share/gdesklets/
[01:51] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones : I go the Anjuta installed with the glade stuff. I tried make a simple project but it keeps complaining about stuff like auto config.. etc.. so I did the synaptic stuff.. but now I cant find what its complaining about ...but it is..
[01:51] <Anubis> snowblink, thx
[01:51] <jasonf> LinuxJones: yes, it works perfectly -- I'm 99.999% sure it has to do with my system
[01:51] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, install build-essential
[01:51] <jasonf> lack of floppy drive
[01:52] <jasonf> if grub is not compiled with --no-floppy it scans for a floppy whenever it loads
[01:52] <jasonf> which is probably what is causing my hang
[01:52] <blah09> does anyone know whether hoary has the alps drivers yet?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> jasonf, I would just put up with the 30 second boot delay, file a bug and it will eventually be squashed :)
[01:52] <snowblink> Anubis: I'm looking forward to the new gdesklets, but I can wait until April. ;)
[01:52] <mdz> it only looks for a floppy when you run the grub command-line tools; that has nothing to do with when your system boots
[01:52] <kirk-code> TreadingSoftl1, can u help me with this? existing fonts really make me sick
[01:52] <Anubis> snowblink, why not install from source?
[01:52] <Anubis> because
[01:53] <anusaya> Is there an online list of packages in "main"?
[01:53] <jasonf> LinuxJones: you have NO IDEA how much a pain it is -- I dual boot and have to boot into windows whenever my gf asks me to (we both have webcams)
[01:53] <Anubis> gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/XXXX/ZZZZ.display
[01:53] <Anubis> seems like a hassle
[01:53] <jasonf> mdz: hrm. Well that was the only usefulness I got from googling.
[01:53] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones, Whats it mean in synaptic when there's a little ubuntu logo next to the name?
[01:53] <jasonf> I guess I'll just file a bug
[01:53] <jdub> Deltaoo: that the package is supported
[01:53] <mike998> Anubis: In the beginning... was the command line
[01:53] <Anubis> lol
[01:53] <Deltaoo> jdub, : Thanx
[01:53] <TreadingSoftl1> kirk-code: not an expert; enough trouble getting new fonts to work with installed linux; but i believe once you've got the fonts together in an accessible directory, you can add that directory to places X looks for fonts with the "xset" command
[01:53] <farruinn> anusaya: you can browse archive.ubuntu.org or use the apt-cache command
[01:53] <blah09> oh does anyone know how i can pin an app to the desktop>
[01:53] <snowblink> Anubis: Not that fussed. Once they are running that's it.
[01:53] <blah09> ?
[01:53] <blah09> specifically, Eterm
[01:54] <Anubis> thats why I suggest installing the latest from source
[01:54] <jasonf> Anubis: and you can probably add that line to your xinit
[01:54] <Anubis> via cli
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, you can do a search for build-essential then install it when it comes up
[01:54] <anusaya> farruinn: thx
[01:54] <Anubis> jasonf, that was my next question will I have to do that everytime I load Gnome?
[01:54] <Anubis> if so
[01:54] <mrproper> How can I turn on a  wireless card in Ubuntu 4.10?
[01:54] <Anubis> I think I'll get the latest from the site
[01:54] <farruinn> anusaya: or synaptic really
[01:55] <FAST> anyone else have problems installing mplayer?
[01:55] <Anubis> no
[01:55] <TreadingSoftl1> kirk-code: if that works, the you can go on and reset the font cache with fc-cache -vf
[01:55] <jasonf> Anubis: google about xinit on ubuntu
[01:55] <mike998> mrproper: if the drivers are present, you should be able to see it from Computer > System Configuration > Networking
[01:55] <blah09> FAST>
[01:55] <farruinn> mrproper: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[01:55] <mrproper> mike998: I can see it in Networking.  What now?
[01:55] <Anubis> also the nvidia driver install does not work for all kernels
[01:55] <blah09> did you check ubuntuguide.org
[01:55] <anusaya> farruinn: I haven't installed ubuntu. Just wondering what's supported before I take the plunge
[01:56] <mike998> mrproper: right click, properties and fill in all the relevant information
[01:56] <farruinn> anusaya: ah, I see, well dpkg/apt is awesome
[01:56] <mike998> I haven't had a chance to try it yet
[01:56] <mrproper> mike998: I did that, but it just itmes out or something.
[01:56] <Anubis> Linux ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-4-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:40:53 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:56] <Anubis> especially this kernel
[01:56] <Anubis> I had to do it with the Nvida script
[01:56] <steve> does anyone know how I can get myp linux laptop to hibernate
[01:56] <mike998> try me in about a week after my router arrives
[01:56] <Potn> rteni magyar?
[01:56] <mdz> Anubis: it works for others
[01:57] <blah09> wow i like that they split the menu into Places and Desktop
[01:57] <mrproper> mike998: I'm trying to enable it now.
[01:57] <goldfish> If you alter /etc/apt/sources.list do i have to update anything or just reboot?
[01:57] <mike998> mrproper: you may want to check your logs to ensure that there is nothing there that will help you
[01:57] <Anubis> mdz, weird
[01:58] <jasonf> brb
[01:58] <kirtis> goldfish, just apt-get update
[01:58] <Anubis>    gDesklets 0.26.2    	 (April 30th, 2004)
[01:58] <Deltaoo> as a side question question.. does anyone know why the touchpad on my laptop is not accepting double taps as a left-button double click?
[01:58] <steve> again, anyone know how I can get my linux laptop to hibernate
[01:58] <goldfish> kirtis: cheers
[01:58] <Anubis>  gDesklets 0.33.1    	 the current release (January 9th, 2005)
[01:58] <goldfish> sugar
[01:59] <mike998> steve: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[01:59] <steve> thanks
[01:59] <goldfish> is nsdiwrapper a package?
[01:59] <mrproper> mike998: I'm getting "timeout waiting for mgmt response"
[01:59] <mrproper> Then I'm getting "mgmt tx queue is still full
[02:00] <mdz> goldfish: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[02:00] <LinuxJones> goldfish, yeah ndiswrapper-utils
[02:00] <steve> Mike is this going to matter that I am on Warty
[02:00] <goldfish> mdz: ta
[02:00] <mike998> steve: I don't know
[02:00] <steve> well, we shall see
[02:00] <mike998> mrproper: can't help you, I'm afraid... you are now officially beyond my knowledge
[02:01] <mrproper> mike998: Yeah, okay thanks.
[02:01] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones, Is there a collection of lib files// I seem to have to add it libTHIS and libTHAT every so often?? What am I doing wrong??
[02:02] <Anubis> the gtk-gnutella in the reposite is old so it doesnot connect
[02:02] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, did you install build-essential ?
[02:02] <Anubis> giFT is totally useless
[02:02] <Anubis> so I have lost my fileshare ability for the moment
[02:02] <Anubis> and I refuse to use Limewire
[02:03] <_slice_> nicotine?
[02:03] <blah09> anyone here use xine?
[02:03] <Anubis> why are these packages so old?
[02:03] <Anubis> I guess I better join the forums;)
[02:03] <LinuxJones> Anubis, what distro did you use before Ubuntu ?
[02:03] <Anubis> nicotine is for soulseek right?
[02:03] <Deltaoo> yes
[02:03] <_slice_> anubis: yep
[02:03] <Anubis> MDK 10.1 recently
[02:03] <Anubis> I was not impressed with soulseek
[02:04] <snowblink> Anubis: gtk-gnutella is lastest stable isn't it?
[02:04] <Anubis> for peer to peer with someone you know sure
[02:04] <mdz> Mandrake 10.1 is older than Ubuntu 4.10
[02:04] <Anubis> but once someone disconnects you lose them as a sourcce
[02:04] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, maybe a real programmer can help you :)
[02:04] <Anubis> and nicotine does not seem smart enough to swarm?
[02:04] <crimsun> snowblink: if it's the missing binary issue in Hoary, I know about it.
[02:04] <Anubis> snowblink, that gtk-gnutella in the reposite is old, its still in ggtk1
[02:05] <Anubis> the latest uses gtk2
[02:05] <mdz> Deltaoo: any necessary libraries are automatically installed for you when you install new (packaged) programs
[02:05] <snowblink> crimsun: you have me mixed up with someone else
[02:05] <Anubis> I'll be back
[02:05] <Anubis> I have to take a break
[02:05] <Anubis> this has been an all day thing
[02:05] <crimsun> snowblink: I don't think so; I was simply stating that preemptively.
[02:05] <Anubis> but I really like the package mangement of Debian/Ubu
[02:06] <nuOpus> Delatoo: You must configure the touchpad to accept the double clicks
[02:06] <Deltaoo> I have not even started with the coding?  When I follow the project wizard through and click the finish.. it goes an does stuff.. but then it fails.. :((
[02:06] <snowblink> crimsun: I'm curious. What was I going to ask?
[02:06] <nuOpus> Delatoo: You must have the synaptic touchpad driver installed and add lines to your X configuration file. Ubuntu does not do this by default
[02:06] <crimsun> snowblink: note the "preemptively."
[02:07] <snowblink> crimsun: pre-emptive kernel issues in something. I'm sorry. I'm very lost. :(
[02:08] <Deltaoo> hi.. when you synaptic pm where does it download to >>
[02:08] <crimsun> snowblink: (this discussion has nothing to do with kernel preemption but rather my stating something that you might have found informative if you had intended to ask about the missing-binary issue in the gtk-gnutella package)
[02:08] <Martok> Hey, how do I install my serial mouse?
[02:09] <Martok> Do I need serial mouse support in my kernel?
[02:09] <nuOpus> well the packages are installed automatically Deltaoo
[02:09] <snowblink> crimsun: right. I'm using gtk-gnutella just fine. There is a missing binary?
[02:09] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: BUT the packages are placed in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:09] <crimsun> snowblink: in Hoary, yes. It's "fixed" pending upload.
[02:09] <FAST> here is the error i get when doing  sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[02:09] <FAST>  ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[02:09] <FAST> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[02:09] <FAST> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[02:09] <FAST> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[02:09] <FAST> ## repository.
[02:09] <FAST> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[02:09] <FAST> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[02:09] <FAST> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[02:09] <FAST> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[02:10] <FAST> ## team.
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[02:10] <FAST> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[02:10] <crimsun> FAST: please don't flood here, thanks. :)
[02:10] <LinuxJones> lol
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[02:10] <FAST> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[02:10] <FAST> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[02:10] <FAST> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[02:10] <FAST> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:10] <Martok> Whoa, he's not stopping.
[02:10] <FAST> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:10] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, Thanx? is there a need to delete them> to save space?
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[02:10] <LinuxJones> go fast go
[02:10] <FAST> shit
[02:10] <FAST> sorry
[02:10] <Martok> I think he's trying to help someone.
[02:10] <crimsun> FAST: please read /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:11] <goldfish> Has anyone d/loaded tux racer via apt-get?
[02:11] <blah09> anyone else upgrade from warty to hoary and find that synaptic is broken?
[02:11] <Martok> Anybody know about how I'd get my serial mouse installed?
[02:11] <FAST> it was an accident that i pasted that
[02:11] <neom> broken how blah09?
[02:11] <blah09> yeah =/
[02:11] <blah09> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:11] <blah09>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable
[02:12] <neom> Do you have universe?
[02:12] <blah09> thats the error when i apt-get install synaptic
[02:12] <blah09> yep
[02:12] <neom> Why would you apt-get synaptic?
[02:12] <blah09> because synaptic won't run
[02:12] <blah09> as in, when i type it in it gives an error
[02:12] <blah09> file not found
[02:13] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: You can type sudo apt-get clean
[02:13] <Martok> Anybody know how I can get my serial mouse detected?
[02:13] <blah09> hm i have multiverse but not universe, strange, would a dist-upgrade mess with my sources?
[02:13] <Deltaoo> is there a real player fo linux? or should I use another?
[02:13] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: It will remove those packages for you ... to save space
[02:13] <Deltaoo> nuOpus,
[02:13] <Deltaoo> thanx
[02:13] <blah09> yes there is
[02:13] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: Yes. Go to real.com
[02:13] <blah09> somewhere on ubuntuguides.org theres a guide
[02:13] <Martok> Does anybody else use a serial mouse?
[02:14] <Martok> Or is that too old school?
[02:14] <nuOpus> Martok: LOL I would rather move the mouse by touching wires together
[02:14] <blah09> lol
[02:14] <nuOpus> Martok: Just kidding
[02:14] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:14] <Martok> I'm doing a project.
[02:14] <Deltaoo> will the Totem application work?
[02:15] <neom> You should have universe & multiverse.
[02:15] <Martok> Where I'd need 2 mice at the sametime.
[02:15] <Deltaoo> as a side question question.. does anyone know why the touchpad on my laptop is not accepting double taps as a left-button double click?
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: I have not had much luck with totem
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: You must install the gstreamer ffmpeg package in order to get it to play things
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: Yes
[02:15] <blah09> oh i do
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: I use ubuntu on laptop
[02:15] <blah09> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[02:15] <blah09> right on top i didnt notice
[02:15] <Martok> nu0pus: You're lucky I can fight my homacidal urges.
[02:16] <goldfish> hey guys, when i do 'apt-get install ndiswrapper', where does the .inf file go?
[02:16] <blk_> hi im trying to get framebuffer support for the console on my ubuntu warty box - is this possible? tnx
[02:16] <goldfish> Call "sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf" where foobar.inf is the path to your inf-file.
[02:16] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, does the double tap on the touchpad work??
[02:16] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: yes
[02:17] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: You must configure the synaptic touchpad driver
[02:17] <goldfish> or does apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils install it all for me?
[02:17] <Deltaoo> mine don't :( any ideas
[02:17] <mcphail> goldfish: the inf file is with the Windows driver
[02:17] <nuOpus> well . is it a synaptic?
[02:17] <goldfish> hmm...
[02:17] <nuOpus> most in laptops are
[02:17] <mcphail> goldfish: you need the windows driver for your card
[02:17] <goldfish> right
[02:17] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, what do you synaptic?
[02:18] <goldfish> How teh hell do i get that mcphail ?
[02:18] <goldfish> ack
[02:18] <nuOpus> Well synaptic package manager and synaptic touchpad are different
[02:18] <nuOpus> I think warty installed the synaptics touchpad driver by default
[02:18] <liquidhex> Hey
[02:18] <liquidhex> my MBR got wiped out
[02:18] <mcphail> goldfish: usually from the install disk or manufacturer's website
[02:18] <LinuxJones> goldfish,  you need to download it from the manufacturers website
[02:19] <goldfish> ah right
[02:19] <liquidhex> how can i boot into my ubuntu partition and reinstall grub?
[02:19] <Anubis> gtk-gnutella_0.95.0-0_i386.deb
[02:19] <goldfish> cheers
[02:19] <altan> http://www.jrw6.net/gnome.png <--- see the little app shortcuts he has by the post-it icon? How can I get them to be on two lines rather than one?
[02:19] <liquidhex> i dont have the installcd
[02:19] <blah09> strange
[02:19] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:19] <Anubis> can I use this package?
[02:19] <blah09> synaptic is dead =(
[02:19] <blah09> root@loki:/ # synaptic
[02:19] <blah09> bash: synaptic: command not found
[02:19] <nuOpus> ouch
[02:20] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: If you are using Warty release, cd to /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics
[02:20] <Deltaoo> I think its Warty
[02:20] <nuOpus> and read the Readme
[02:20] <farruinn> blah09: did you try installing the package that's causing the problem?
[02:20] <blah09> yep
[02:20] <blah09> it says it has no installation candidate
[02:20] <nuOpus> read the README.Debian file
[02:20] <snowblink> Anubis: yes
[02:20] <Anubis> gtk-gnutella_0.95.0-0_i386.deb can I use this?
[02:20] <nuOpus> you have to add a bunch of lines
[02:20] <Anubis> snowblink, how?
[02:20] <farruinn> blah09: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[02:21] <blah09> yep
[02:21] <Cloudchaser> i really hate that applications aren't put onto the menu most of the time in ubuntu
[02:21] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: That should get it working
[02:21] <snowblink> Anubis: dpkg
[02:21] <blah09> from warty to hoary
[02:21] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: Ya I know
[02:22] <mdz> blah09: that synaptic package you were trying to install is not from Hoary
[02:22] <mdz> it looked like you were trying to install the Warty synaptic on Hoary
[02:22] <mdz> which won't work
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> is that fixed in hoary?
[02:22] <blah09> hm the only warty repository i have in my sources is the backports one
[02:22] <mdz> blah09: that'd be the problem
[02:22] <farruinn> blah09: ah, that'd be it
[02:22] <mdz> that backports repository has buggy packges in it
[02:22] <blah09> oh
[02:23] <nuOpus> blah09: DOH!
[02:23] <blah09> heh
[02:23] <mcphail> Cloudchaser: synaptic tells me I've got over 900 installed packeages. The menu would be HUGE.
[02:23] <blah09> is there a hoary equivalent or is it now unnecessary?
[02:23] <nuOpus> blah09: You dont need the hoary backports if you are switching to hoary
[02:23] <blah09> oh those are hoary backports?
[02:23] <blah09> now that i didnt know =)
[02:23] <liquidhex> I can't boot into ubuntu, another OS wiped out GRUB! How can I get a boot disk so I can mount my linux partition and reinstall grub?
[02:23] <mdz> liquidhex: use the live CD
[02:23] <liquidhex> i lost it
[02:23] <Deltaoo> nuOpus how do I open the readme
[02:23] <timothy> does anyone know how to get a quicktime plugin in firefox in ubuntu?
[02:23] <liquidhex> isnt there a floppydisk image?
[02:24] <nuOpus> The ubuntu backports are for warty users to get updated packages from Hoary ... like Firefox 1.0
[02:24] <Anubis> snowblink, dpkg --help lots of options, none seem straight forward
[02:24] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: type less filename
[02:24] <Anubis> I just want to install this app
[02:24] <snowblink> Anubis: dpkg -i yourpackage.deb
[02:24] <blah09> ahhh synaptic is installing =)
[02:24] <blah09> thanks everyone
[02:24] <nuOpus> blah09: What did you do?
[02:24] <Anubis> snowblink, will this break my warty?
[02:24] <blah09> got rid of the entry for the backports
[02:24] <nuOpus> blah09: LOL
[02:24] <Cloudchaser> well there still has to be a better way..if i install an app i want it to go into the menu
[02:24] <snowblink> Anubis: nope. You should be good.
[02:25] <goldfish> Anyone know what card is inside a Dell 8600 ?
[02:25] <blah09> you still have xp installed?
[02:25] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, What do  I do then?
[02:25] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: I notices that most of the package maintainers seem to not like to add .desktop files for their packages in debian based distros
[02:26] <blah09> anyway goldfish it should be stated in your device manager
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> i installed point2play and cedega and there's supposed to be a transgaming entry with point2play in it
[02:26] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: A lot of the packagers for Fedora or SuSE and most other RPM based distros seem to do a good job at creating entries for most packages
[02:26] <Croccifixio> guys where did eyequeue disappear?
[02:26] <goldfish> blah09: oh that to me, yeah i have xp
[02:26] <stuNNed> hi, what do i need installed for windows file sharing to work via network-admin?
[02:26] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: But debian maintainers .. ubuntu too? seem to be lazy
[02:26] <Anubis> snowblink, why is'nt this file in the repository?!?
[02:26] <goldfish> blah09: is there a device manager in ubuntu?
[02:27] <Cloudchaser> its just one more little annoying thing i guess
[02:27] <snowblink> Anubis: Warty was frozen some time ago - only security updates now.
[02:27] <blah09> yes
[02:27] <blah09> its in administration
[02:27] <blah09> in one of the menus
[02:27] <blah09> i already forgot what its called in warty
[02:27] <goldfish> sorry man im still n00btarded
[02:27] <Anubis> snowblink, so has everyone fled to Hoary?
[02:28] <snowblink> anubis: If you want cutting edge, then go to hoary. I'm happy on a stable warty system.
[02:28] <goldfish> blah09: It's called Device Manager, heh.
[02:28] <blah09> ohoh....
[02:28] <Anubis> snowblink, also once installed will synaptic see it to uninstall it?
[02:28] <blah09> sound broke too
[02:28] <snowblink> Anubis: yes it should
[02:29] <blah09> did that one faulty entry just nuke my whole install? =/
[02:29] <blah09> although... system sounds still work
[02:30] <randabis> running hoary :)
[02:30] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[02:31] <mdz> blah09: caution is definitely advisable when adding entries to sources.list; you are trusting that repository with the integrity and security of your system
[02:31] <Cloudchaser> hmmm i installed point2play and cedega but point2play doesn't seem to see it, so i hit the get newest version button and it downloaded it again..very odd
[02:31] <blah09> yeah i think i've learnt that lesson today =/
[02:33] <neom> I've yet to have an issue with hoary.
[02:33] <neom> Synaptic froze today for like, 10 seconds when I tried to exit it, but that's about it.
[02:33] <Deltaoo> ok. so how do I get real player to play a video online?
[02:33] <blah09> xmms stopped working
[02:33] <blah09> and xine also has no sound
[02:35] <crimsun> blah09: are they all set to use esd?
[02:35] <blah09> alsa
[02:35] <Croccifixio> anybody here used vsftpd?
[02:35] <blah09> aha
[02:35] <blah09> is esd new?
[02:36] <crimsun> no, it has been the default sound config since before Warty
[02:36] <blah09> oh i thought it was alsa
[02:36] <blah09> is esd newer on the whole?
[02:37] <crimsun> well, technically yes, Ubuntu Warty uses ALSA, but GNOME uses EsounD, which uses ALSA's OSS emulation.
[02:37] <Anubis> damn
[02:37] <Deltaoo> ok. so how do I get real player to play a video online?
[02:37] <blah09> oh
[02:37] <blah09> ok sound works everywhere now i think
[02:37] <Anubis> this gtk-gnutella package is compiled with gtk1 not 2!?! wtf for?!
[02:37] <crimsun> there is movement to replace EsounD in GNOME with polypaudio. This may or may not make it in time for Hoary (probably not given the lateness).
[02:38] <blah09> thanks
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, click the file in firefox and when it asks to open the file or save to disk specify the a path to your real player installation binary
[02:38] <mcphail> Deltaoo: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[02:41] <blah09> awesome, looks like the search for the perfect distro is over =)
[02:42] <randabis> cool
[02:43] <FAST> does it take a long time to do an  apt-get dist upgrade  from warty to hoary?
[02:44] <jdub> depends on your 'net connection
[02:44] <FAST> broadband
[02:44] <jdub> it's quite a few hundred megs, depending on what you've installed
[02:44] <FAST> ok
[02:44] <jdub> broadband doesn't say anything about speed :)
[02:44] <FAST> what about the live cd
[02:44] <blah09> mine was 600mb
[02:44] <FAST> can you install from the live cd?
[02:44] <jdub> no, you can't
[02:44] <FAST> ok
[02:46] <neom> Is limewire nix compatable?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> neom, yes it is
[02:47] <neom> Can't find it in synaptic?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> neom, there is a howto somwhere on the ubuntu website but you have to install java
[02:48] <neom> :\
[02:48] <LinuxJones> neom, which seems to be a real pain
[02:48] <neom> Is there any other p2p that isn't as..complicated to install?
[02:48] <Deltaoo> boohoo.. whats that link to the real player faq??
[02:48] <blah09> ubuntuguide.org
[02:49] <blah09> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[02:49] <FAST> installing java wasn't difficult
[02:51] <FAST> anyone happen to know what file the winamp equalizer presets are stored in?  so i can import into xmms
[02:51] <LinuxJones> FAST, they wouldn't sound the same even if you could import them
[02:52] <FAST> snap :\
[02:52] <FAST> there IS an import option in xmms to load a winamp preset list
[02:52] <FAST> hmm i just did it!
[02:52] <FAST> and they work just fine
[02:53] <LinuxJones> great
[02:53] <goldfish> heh
[02:53] <randabis> cool
[02:53] <FAST> Winamp.q1  was the file
[02:53] <randabis> I need some presets for xmms
[02:53] <FAST> if anyone wants to trty
[02:53] <randabis> I suck with eqs lol
[02:53] <FAST> you want me to dcc you the file to import them?
[02:53] <randabis> sure
[02:54] <FAST> i haven't tried dcc-ing anything yet, dunno if it will work behind the router
[02:54] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path...
[02:54] <randabis> yeah it's just sitting there
[02:55] <FAST> ok
[02:55] <FAST> just get this then,    http://members.cox.net/lafolieverte/Winamp.q1
[02:56] <goldfish> any .wma to .mp3 conertors for ubuntu?
[02:56] <goldfish> *convertors
[02:56] <crimsun> goldfish: via mplayer, yes.
[02:56] <blah09> dont the w32codecs include wma?
[02:56] <imaek> Hi
[02:56] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path... WHys that? and when I click it from menu sez no sucj file
[02:56] <imaek> I was wondering, how do you install fonts in Ubuntu?
[02:57] <randabis> cool
[02:57] <randabis> thanks
[02:57] <FAST> np
[02:57] <randabis> I wonder if it would be safe to use my current /home partition with freebsd...
[02:58] <crimsun> imaek: Warty or Hoary?
[02:58] <neom> How do I get an transparent borderless windowless terminal on my desktop?
[02:58] <raydogg_> I'd be willing to bet no randabis
[02:58] <imaek> crimsun: Warty.
[02:58] <crimsun> imaek: in Nautilus, drag fonts into fonts:///
[02:58] <randabis> heh yeah I figured as much
[02:58] <blah09> is current hoary running Xorg already?
[02:58] <imaek> Ok, thanks.
[02:58] <crimsun> blah09: yes.
[02:58] <FAST> is there a hoary iso out that isn't the live cd ?
[02:58] <randabis> yes
[02:59] <randabis> there are daily hoary snapshots, as well as array 3
[02:59] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path... WHys that? and when I click it from menu sez no sucj file
[02:59] <crimsun> array 4 is out, too.
[02:59] <blah09> ah ok i hadnt noticed
[02:59] <imaek> Does anyone happen to know where the font "Fixedsys" resides on a windows machine?
[02:59] <crimsun> (please test!)
[02:59] <randabis> ah didn't notice array 4 was released
[02:59] <jdahlin> Hi, are Secure Card type flash cards (SD) readers supported in ubuntu?
[02:59] <FAST> can you get the hoary iso and upgrade warty from it ?
[02:59] <goldfish> When i turn on transparency in terminal settings it won't work. Anything i can do to get transparency?
[02:59] <mdz> FAST: there are daily install and live CDs, and bi-weekly milestones
[02:59] <crimsun> goldfish: how are you setting the backdrop?
[02:59] <randabis> fortunately I've had no need to reinstall hoary :)
[02:59] <mdz> FAST: yes, you can upgrade using the CD, but it isn't very simple
[02:59] <FAST> ok thanks
[03:00] <mdz> FAST: upgrading from hoary with a CD will be easier
[03:00] <blah09> which reminds me, is it possible to pin windows e.g. an eterm to the desktop?
[03:00] <randabis> you guys are wanting something like this huh? (terminal peeps)
[03:00] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[03:00] <blah09> lol
[03:00] <blah09> yes.
[03:00] <blah09> i almost got it too
[03:00] <goldfish> crimsun: eh.. well i went into profeil clicked on the transparecny box
[03:00] <goldfish> *profile
[03:00] <Mantle> i can't get modprobe to install the ndiswrapper module, but ndiswrapper shows that my card is detected and running... any ideas?
[03:00] <goldfish> gah my typing !
[03:00] <neom> Whats the terminal ftp command to send a file to the ftp server?
[03:00] <raydogg_> how come mplayer isn't in the repositories?
[03:00] <crimsun> raydogg_: /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:01] <crimsun> raydogg_: unofficial rationale there
[03:01] <raydogg_> k
[03:01] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path... WHys that? and when I click it from menu sez no sucj file
[03:02] <mdz> raydogg_: multiverse
[03:02] <blah09> randabis: http://server3.uploadit.org/files/hizz99-eterm.jpg
[03:02] <kirtis> neom, Probably 'put'.. but it's been a while.  Use scp if you can.
[03:02] <neom> send seemed to work.
[03:03] <goldfish> Do you have to d/l any extra files to get transparency to work on the standard terminal that comes with ubuntu?
[03:03] <randabis> blah09, cool, I likes my yellow though :p seems to fit the color scheme well
[03:03] <blah09> i used Eterm for mine
[03:03] <geppy> Where does apache2 store web files
[03:03] <Mantle> i can get my (broadcom) card working in knoppix using ndiswrapper, but not in ubuntu.. can anyone help?
[03:03] <randabis> I use Terminal
[03:03] <blah09> heh yellow wouldnt work with mine methinks
[03:03] <kirk-code> can anyone help me about adding TTF fonts (from windows) to a ubuntu running form liveCD ?
[03:03] <randabis> red might :p
[03:03] <wm_eddie> goldfish: It can do sort-of transparency
[03:04] <goldfish> blah09: Full transparency with Eterm?
[03:04] <blah09> yep
[03:04] <randabis> full transparency with eterm, aterm, Terminal
[03:04] <goldfish> righteo
[03:04] <wm_eddie> blah09: using Xorg?
[03:04] <randabis> possibly with gnome-terminal too, but I haven't figured out how to remove the window borders
[03:04] <blah09> apparently i am now =)
[03:05] <randabis> you're still running gnome 2.8...
[03:05] <blah09> thats the one i made during the dist-upgrade
[03:05] <blah09> so it was on xfree
[03:05] <randabis> ah
[03:05] <randabis> :)
[03:05] <imaek> When I drag a font into "fonts:///" in Natalus, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
[03:05] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you can install msttcorefonts and get the common MS fonts on your system
[03:06] <crimsun> imaek: TrueType font, correct? have you logged back into GNOME?
[03:06] <geppy> where does apache 2 store files?
[03:06] <imaek> Correct, crimsun.
[03:06] <imaek> No, I have not.
[03:06] <Mantle> when i run "modprobe ndiswrapper" it complains "module ndiswrapper doesn't exist"... how can i see if the problem is ndiswrapper or modprobe?
[03:06] <imaek> Should I?
[03:06] <encryptio> geppy: /var/www by default.
[03:06] <popey> geppy, have a look in the apache config in /etc/apache2 to find out
[03:06] <popey> usually /var/www
[03:06] <geppy> thanks
[03:06] <chillywilly> hey I just tried to get the live cd to boot but it did not like my onboard nvidia video
[03:06] <geppy> there's no public_html, is that okay?
[03:06] <crimsun> chillywilly: the latest live cd? see the topic? ;)
[03:06] <imaek> crimsun: I will restart xserver, be right back.
[03:06] <crimsun> argh, topic already changed
[03:07] <chillywilly> hoary image url?
[03:07] <randabis> Mantle, I think you need to do ndiswrapper -e first (or something, check ndiswrapper --help)
[03:07] <chillywilly> I am burning the install cd now
[03:07] <randabis> might be -m
[03:07] <crimsun> 19:31 -!- Topic for #ubuntu: Ubuntu Help | FAQ: ... || things that are broken include: X on Array 3, Hoary live CD
[03:07] <soulsyphon> ftp install was fun
[03:08] <chillywilly> how can I install hoary right away? is it best to do a dist-upgrade?
[03:08] <Mantle> randabis: i tried both of those already
[03:08] <LinuxJones> what is Array 3 ?
[03:08] <pepperpot> chillywilly: i think dist-upgrade is correct
[03:08] <Mantle> randabis: ndiswrapper -l is reporting that my driver is installan dand hardware is present
[03:08] <randabis> array 3 is a milestone release of hoary I believe
[03:08] <randabis> crimsun said array 4 is out now though
[03:08] <blah09> http://server3.uploadit.org/files/hizz99-et2.jpg
[03:09] <blah09> there, happy?
[03:09] <blah09> ;)
[03:09] <blah09> btw does anyone know how to get rid of those error messages in apt-get?
[03:09] <randabis> hah
[03:09] <Parallax1> blah09: how did you do that transparency
[03:09] <chillywilly> damn you guys have hoary cds now ;P
[03:09] <blah09> Eterm -O -f white --scrollbar=no --buttonbar off -x
[03:10] <chillywilly> guess I just wasted some disks ;P
[03:10] <kirk-code> my newly added fonts wont appear in the font util
[03:10] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[03:10] <randabis> :p I think I already posted that
[03:10] <randabis> oh well
[03:10] <blah09> lol
[03:10] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you might have to re-start gnome to see them :)
[03:10] <soulsyphon> blah09, apt-get all your args 2>/dev/null
[03:10] <soulsyphon> that might work
[03:10] <soulsyphon> you could just do
[03:10] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i can't this is a livecd
[03:10] <popey> how do you get that terminal to be in the background on the desktop?
[03:10] <blah09> where in my system can i add public keys so apt-get wont complain?
[03:10] <soulsyphon> blah09, apt-get all your args 2>&1 &
[03:11] <soulsyphon> i think
[03:11] <neom> Anyone know a decent ftp client? terminal just isn't doing it for me.
[03:11] <blah09> what do you mean soul?
[03:11] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, lol
[03:11] <Cloudchaser> ok any cedega/point2play users here/
[03:11] <Cloudchaser> ?
[03:11] <popey> oh, i see, its not background
[03:11] <popey> just transparent with no edges
[03:11] <soulsyphon> blah09, to get rid of the error msgs
[03:11] <randabis> #cedega
[03:11] <mdz> chillywilly: hoary is in development; the final CDs won't be released until April
[03:11] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i know.. but i must look at how things look like with these fonts
[03:11] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks
[03:11] <mdz> chillywilly: the current hoary CD images are development snapshots
[03:11] <soulsyphon> if thier isnt a --quiet argument to pass it
[03:11] <randabis> I wonder how usplash is doing
[03:11] <randabis> no updates in a month
[03:11] <chillywilly> I am brave though
[03:12] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i'm at this mess for about 2 hours now.. can u help? i've gotten almost there.. just need gnome to display the added fonts in the dont util or sth
[03:12] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, the fonts look nice jsut go ahead and install :)
[03:12] <chillywilly> I usually run debian sid :)
[03:12] <nosrepa> ello all
[03:12] <mdz> randabis: sunday night, with luck
[03:12] <randabis> mdz that's AWESOME :)
[03:12] <randabis> even if it's a few days later, that still rocks
[03:12] <blah09> usplash?
[03:13] <mdz> randabis: it can't be much later; feature freeze is 5 days away :-)
[03:13] <Twiggy> How can I turn on dma to my cdrom drive?  My dvd playback is 00ber choppy
[03:13] <randabis> mdz yeah I noticed :)
[03:13] <randabis> exciting times
[03:14] <engie> Hi. Any idea what package on hoary I need to install to get a mp3 codec for totem?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, mdz, Hoary is frozen in 5 days ?
[03:14] <randabis> no
[03:14] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i was talking about the fonts thing
[03:14] <randabis> check the release schedule
[03:14] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, sorry that wasn't meant for you :)
[03:15] <kirk-code> can anyone do me a favor and help me at this.. it's been 2 hours...
[03:15] <kirk-code> i'm not a quitter.. but its really getting frustrating...
[03:15] <crimsun> LinuxJones: feature freeze, yes.
[03:16] <LinuxJones> crimsun, cool
[03:17] <raydogg_> http://sh.nu/~crimsun/
[03:17] <raydogg_> is that down
[03:17] <raydogg_> cuz its not working for me
[03:17] <blah09> strange, i installed the marillat's public key and apt-get still isnt happy
[03:18] <crimsun> raydogg_: it's most definitely not down.
[03:18] <crimsun> raydogg_: what are you trying to accomplish?
[03:19] <kirk-code> how can i make gnome reload fonts ?!
[03:19] <FAST> anyone else haev a problem with the notification area panel item? when restarting/logging into gnome, it's not positioned properly (e.g. gaim icon is 95% hidden)
[03:22] <raydogg_> Im' trying to install mplayer
[03:22] <raydogg_> and it says it has unresolved dependencies
[03:22] <Mantle> in array-4 what is "array" referring to?
[03:22] <crimsun> raydogg_: are you following the directions?
[03:23] <raydogg_> yes
[03:23] <raydogg_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <raydogg_> the first repo installs fine
[03:23] <raydogg_> the second one doesn't
[03:23] <giard> interesting
[03:23] <giard> so the mouse cursors are changing?
[03:23] <crimsun> raydogg_: what command are you using to install mplayer?
[03:24] <crimsun> raydogg_: and which mplayer package are you attempting to install?
[03:24] <raydogg_> was using gui
[03:24] <raydogg_> synamptic
[03:25] <raydogg_> i tried the command on the page it did not work
[03:25] <raydogg_> and i tried the mplayer for 386
[03:25] <raydogg_> i also tried mplayer-nogui
[03:25] <crimsun> I tested this afternoon, so it should work
[03:26] <raydogg_> i'm on warty
[03:26] <crimsun> yes, those are specifically backported for warty.
[03:28] <crimsun> raydogg_: works for me from a clean warty chroot that I just constructed.
[03:29] <raydogg_> what command did you type ?
[03:29] <crimsun> apt-get install mplayer-386=1.0-pre6a-0.0
[03:29] <neom> I have a wierd ass issue here.
[03:29] <goldfish> I did a apt-get install eterm
[03:29] <jasonf> Then I'd reccomend going to a qualified assologist, neom
[03:29] <neom> My mouse randomy stops responding, and I have to unplug it and plug it back in for it to work again.
[03:29] <goldfish> how do i lauch an eterm terminal?
[03:29] <raydogg_> mmm, that is working, how come i wasn't able to do it from the gui ?
[03:29] <kirk-code> how can i make gnome-font-properties show my installed fonts ??
[03:30] <neom> goldfish - In a regulare terminal use "eterm"
[03:30] <crimsun> raydogg_: because my backport is deliberately epoched lower than the package in the debian-marillat repo to ensure a smooth dist-upgrade from Warty to Hoary.
[03:30] <raydogg_> I see
[03:30] <goldfish> neom: command not found? Do i need an apt-get upgrade?
[03:30] <blah09> Eterm
[03:30] <blah09> capital E
[03:31] <goldfish> LOL
[03:31] <crimsun> raydogg_: the package in the debian-marillat repo was rebuilt against versions of packages not available in Warty.
[03:31] <blah09> =)
[03:31] <goldfish> cheers :)
[03:31] <jasonf> where does make-kpkg put the kernel-image by default?
[03:31] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you actually have to install them on hard drive :)
[03:31] <crimsun> jasonf: ../
[03:32] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, don't tell me i did all this for nothing
[03:32] <jba> hey gang
[03:32] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i have them in /home/fonts
[03:32] <neom> muhahaha! I crashed it.
[03:32] <jasonf> crimsun: well, it didn't
[03:32] <neom> I took a screenshot, and the screenshot application crashed. :o
[03:33] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you might be able to archive your /home dir to your actual hard disk and then restore from backup after you do an actual install.
[03:33] <crimsun> jasonf: then vmlinux didn't build successfully?
[03:33] <jasonf> crimsun: it did build successfully
[03:33] <jasonf> as did all the modules
[03:34] <crimsun> jasonf: I presume you're in /usr/src/linux-foo/ ?
[03:34] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, but i cant do a install, the whole idea here that i see how it looks with TTF fonts, because right now it's really ugly and i won't continue with it
[03:34] <kirk-code> LinuxJones,  the fonts make a BIG difference for me
[03:34] <jasonf> crimsun: I know what I did, I did a "make-kpkg" and forgot the kernel-image on the end
[03:34] <goldfish> blah09:  Eterm -O -f white --scrollbar=no --buttonbar off -x
[03:34] <goldfish> i tried that
[03:35] <goldfish> but it aint transparent :/
[03:35] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i already added the fonts to the X cache.. and i can see then using xfontsel. all is left is to make gnome-font-properties show them
[03:35] <josephus_> Eterm -x -g 80x25+200+70 --buttonbar=0 --trans --shade=0 --font4 edges -F 10x20 -f white --scrollbar=no
[03:35] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, free up a few gigs and try an install it will take you at most 4 hours to get up and running.
[03:36] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i cant do that
[03:36] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, what resolution are you running the live cd @ ?
[03:36] <kirk-code> 1024x768
[03:36] <kirk-code> laptop
[03:36] <kirk-code> i NEED those fonts
[03:36] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, what you see is what you get.   I am trying Hoary, which has bash-3.0, and I couldn't remember what Warty had.
[03:40] <mcphail> svend: no probs.
[03:40] <randabis> freesbie is okay, but my net didn't work out of the box :/ don't know enough about bsd to set it up
[03:42] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, can't you do a search on google and find out what the fonts look like in a .png graphic ?
[03:42] <goldfish> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:42] <goldfish> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:42] <goldfish> *** tuxracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[03:42] <goldfish> Anyone know what is wrong there?
[03:42] <raydogg_> if you press "f" it fullscreens the app, but it doesn't stretch the video
[03:42] <bitfoo> what are the array versions
[03:42] <raydogg_> how can u make the video stretch ?
[03:42] <bitfoo> ?
[03:42] <LinuxJones> goldfish,  you need to install a binary driver for your video card
[03:42] <goldfish> kk
[03:43] <goldfish> Where can I get one of those?
[03:43] <goldfish> :)
[03:43] <LinuxJones> goldfish, it's on www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:43] <goldfish> LinuxJones: ok, thanks.
[03:43] <LinuxJones> goldfish, have fun, lots of greats stuff there :)
[03:43] <goldfish> LinuxJones: lol
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> how would i change something in my XF86Config file without messing it up so i can't change it again with the configuration program?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Cloudchaser, did you modify /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand ?
[03:45] <svend> bitfoo: the array versions are testing releases (milestones) of the installer and live cd
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> LinuxJones, no i haven't
[03:45] <svend> bitfoo: hoary is at array-4 now
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> i read that if you do that you can't use the configuration tool
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know how to get that configuration tool
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Cloudchaser, ok dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will continue to work, until you modify that file by hand
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> ok thank you i'll try that
[03:47] <neom> http://neom.ca/screen.png
[03:47] <calamari> hi
[03:47] <calamari> I think there is some kind of bug in ubuntu
[03:47] <goldfish> calamari: live cd?
[03:48] <calamari> I've lost my firefox bookmarks twice now
[03:48] <jasonf> is it a beetle or a roach?
[03:48] <goldfish> ah right
[03:48] <neom> That's a firefox but iirc.
[03:48] <neom> And there is an extention to prevent it.
[03:48] <calamari> neom: except that when ff loads (after losing the bookmarks) it shows an ubuntu welcome page
[03:49] <goldfish> neom: that Eterm?
[03:49] <calamari> neom: somehow ubuntu is initializing them
[03:49] <neom> Yah goldfish.
[03:49] <calamari> goldfish: nope.. regular install
[03:49] <calamari> can I get my bookmarks back somehow ?
[03:50] <wmealing> wont boot from CD ?
[03:50] <u404> hey.. i want to install ubuntu, but cannot get anywhere, because i get the error: your installation cd-rom could not be mounted. this possibly means that the cd-rom was not in the drive.
[03:50] <wmealing> md5 sum matches here, simply wont boot.
[03:51] <u404> can anyone help me?
[03:51] <u404> i tried 2 different cd-roms, but got the same
[03:51] <Dwayne_> hey
[03:51] <Dwayne_> anyone there
[03:51] <Dwayne_> i need help
[03:51] <LinuxJones> u404, sounds like a corrupted download, check the md5sum on the .iso file
[03:52] <goldfish> Dwayne_: ask away
[03:52] <u404> ok, i will try
[03:52] <Dwayne_> okay well
[03:52] <Dwayne_> i installed Ubuntu
[03:52] <carambol> u404: try it with cdwriter
[03:52] <Dwayne_> it wants me to add a user
[03:53] <Dwayne_> so.. it asks for Full name of User, and i type Dwayne Dingman
[03:53] <calamari> anyone have an idea why I lost my bookmarks and how to get them back?
[03:53] <goldfish> yuh-uh
[03:53] <Dwayne_> then it asks for Username: dwayne (sets it to that automatically, but i can change it)
[03:53] <Dwayne_> then it asks for Password: admin
[03:53] <Dwayne_> so then it reboots and asks for username and password but it doesn't work
[03:53] <Dwayne_> i just want it to load like windows :\
[03:53] <goldfish> Dwayne_: Don't use admin as a password.
[03:54] <Dwayne_> heh
[03:54] <Dwayne_> but i didn't the first time
[03:54] <Dwayne_> i reinstalled it
[03:54] <goldfish> Dwayne_: What happens? u get a blank screen?
[03:54] <Dwayne_> i'll talk to you in PM
[03:54] <goldfish> lol
[03:54] <goldfish> I don't know alot :)
[03:54] <calamari> anyone know where firefox keeps the bookmarks?
[03:55] <calamari> maybe there is a backup copy?
[03:55] <neom> calamari - I would suggest you use this http://www.pikey.me.uk/mozilla/
[03:56] <toojays> does anyone here have the iso for array-4 (daily 20040204) ppc? i tried to get it with jigdo, but two packages are missing from archive.ubuntu
[03:56] <calamari> neom: so the way to fix the ubuntu bug is to back up my bookmarks.. LOL
[03:56] <calamari> thanks tho
[03:56] <neom> Well, it will restore them if they get corruped.
[03:56] <calamari> it will help the next time.. maybe I should store my bookmarks online
[03:56] <Dwayne_> can anyone help me?
[03:56] <calamari> could code a bookmarks page in php or something :)
[03:57] <Dwayne_> ?
[03:58] <calamari> dwayne: what are you trying to do? log in?
[03:58] <Dwayne_> yeah yeah
[03:59] <goldfish> neom: How do i set the backround image?
[03:59] <goldfish> neom: for eter,
[03:59] <goldfish> *eterm
[03:59] <neom> That's my wallpaper you are seeing.
[03:59] <Dwayne_> okay okay calamari
[03:59] <Dwayne_> when installing Ubuntu
[03:59] <goldfish> Eterm:  Error:  Unable to locate desktop window.  If you are running Enlightenment, please
[03:59] <Dwayne_> it asks me to add a user
[03:59] <goldfish> restart.
[04:00] <goldfish> neom: yeash, it's transparent when i try start it i get that
[04:00] <calamari> dwayne: okay.. and you did, right?
[04:00] <Dwayne_> yes yes
[04:00] <calamari> dwayne: ok.. so then what happened?
[04:00] <Dwayne_> so when i add the users full name (mine), it will set the username as "dwayne" and then when i enter in a password
[04:00] <Dwayne_> then it reboots
[04:00] <calamari> okay
[04:00] <Dwayne_> then its like in DOS mode in windows
[04:00] <calamari> then what?
[04:00] <Dwayne_> and says
[04:00] <Dwayne_> localhost username:
[04:00] <Dwayne_> so i enter in dwayne
[04:01] <neom> xwindows didn't start?
[04:01] <Dwayne_> then it pauses and wont let me type in the password
[04:01] <Dwayne_> nope
[04:01] <calamari> sounds like the x server failed
[04:01] <goldfish> hmm...
[04:01] <Dwayne_> yeah thats it
[04:01] <Dwayne_> x server came up
[04:01] <goldfish> might be the same problem as me after all
[04:01] <calamari> does it seem toi blink a few times and go away?
[04:01] <Dwayne_> hmm
[04:01] <Dwayne_> not sure
[04:01] <Dwayne_> let me check
[04:01] <neom> hoary or warty?
[04:02] <goldfish> neom: me?
[04:02] <calamari> wait for it to "blink away" a few times, then try to type your username & password
[04:02] <neom> Dwayne
[04:02] <calamari> dwayne: it will most likely pop up a blue screen telling you that the x server failed
[04:02] <goldfish> i got a blue screen
[04:02] <goldfish> but no errors at all
[04:02] <goldfish> it just froze
[04:03] <neom> goldfish did you use apt-get or synaptic?
[04:03] <goldfish> neom: apt-get
[04:03] <goldfish> neom: apt-get install eterm
[04:03] <Dwayne_> well
[04:03] <Dwayne_> i just rebooted
[04:03] <Dwayne_> and it didn't give me an error
[04:03] <Dwayne_> it did when i first formatted
[04:04] <goldfish> Dwayne_: so can u login?
[04:04] <Dwayne_> no
[04:04] <goldfish> k
[04:04] <Dwayne_> says my username is invalid
[04:04] <goldfish> lol
[04:04] <goldfish> jeez
[04:04] <neom> goldfish - get eterm-themes too
[04:04] <MLimburg> guys, got an issue here .. there seems to be no sound on my setup, but if i turn up the volume to max, i can hear the background noise going up slightly .. so it looks like its installed but something is screwy .. also, when playing a MP3, it *speeds* along, like a 4 minute song is silently played in 20 seconds .. any ideas?
[04:04] <goldfish> neom: cheers
[04:05] <mike998> hmmm how do I get firestarter (a program that requires sudo privelidges) to run when I start gnome?
[04:05] <Jeyrad> hi there dwayne
[04:05] <Dwayne_> so anyone going to help?
[04:05] <neom> Dwayne - use "root" for your username, and try your password with that username.
[04:06] <Jeyrad> why would that work?
[04:06] <Dwayne_> okie dokie
[04:06] <MLimburg> never seen a sound error like this before .. got me stumped
[04:06] <Dwayne_> heh
[04:06] <neom> Jeyrad - if he typoed somewhere in the install, then if he can at least get in as root he can change *his* accounts username.
[04:07] <neom> -username +password
[04:07] <Dwayne_> neom, i type in "root" but when i hit enter
[04:07] <Dwayne_> it goes to Password:
[04:07] <Dwayne_> but i cant type
[04:07] <Dwayne_> i can only hit enter again
[04:07] <neom> you can type
[04:07] <neom> You just can't see it.
[04:07] <neom> Instead of *** it just shows blank.
[04:07] <Dwayne_> okie dokit
[04:07] <Dwayne_> brb again
[04:08] <Jeyrad> rofl
[04:08] <Dwayne_> okay
[04:08] <Jeyrad> you didnt know that dwayne?
[04:08] <Dwayne_> now it says
[04:08] <goldfish> neom: Do I need to do anything else with eterm now?
[04:08] <Dwayne_> root@localhost #
[04:08] <neom> now type
[04:08] <neom> useradd dwayne
[04:08] <Dwayne_> hopefully linux is better than windows
[04:08] <Jeyrad> kde
[04:08] <goldfish> IT IS
[04:08] <Jeyrad> xsession
[04:08] <Jeyrad> xsession start or somthing
[04:09] <Dwayne_> okay
[04:09] <Dwayne_> well
[04:09] <Jeyrad> lol
[04:09] <Dwayne_> im in my username
[04:09] <goldfish> xstart
[04:09] <Dwayne_> now it says dwayn@localhost $
[04:09] <Jeyrad> yeah
[04:09] <Jeyrad> xstart
[04:09] <encryptio> dudes. startx.
[04:09] <wm_eddie> coven is for a group of vampires?
[04:09] <Jeyrad> startx?
[04:09] <Jeyrad> you sure?
[04:09] <encryptio> startx.
[04:09] <Jeyrad> ok
[04:09] <goldfish> lol
[04:09] <encryptio> i'm sure.
[04:09] <goldfish> startx
[04:09] <goldfish> yesah lol
[04:09] <neom> If his x server won't start at startup, why do you think it will run from command?
[04:09] <Jeyrad> startx
[04:09] <Dwayne_> lol
[04:09] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu 6.x Coveny Vampire
[04:09] <encryptio> if it runs on that command, then it's a gdm problem.
[04:09] <Dwayne_> xstart not a valid command :X
[04:09] <Jeyrad> it might
[04:09] <Jeyrad> startx dwayne
[04:09] <encryptio> Dwayne_: startx
[04:10] <goldfish> STARTX
[04:10] <Dwayne_> doesn't work
[04:10] <Jeyrad> damn
[04:10] <goldfish> right
[04:10] <goldfish> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[04:10] <goldfish> Run that command
[04:11] <goldfish> You might need to be root
[04:11] <neom> I'd suggest you run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:11] <bretzel> Hi :-) ...again ... mmm Which file to edit to restore GDM as the display man ? ( I replaced with kdm when installing it and finally changed my mind)
[04:11] <Jeyrad> you do need to be root to engage xsessions
[04:11] <Dwayne_> type sudo apt-get -f install?
[04:11] <neom> I'd do that and see what the output is.
[04:11] <Jeyrad> i dont think sudo works anymore, isnt it just su
[04:12] <encryptio> Jeyrad: sudo is for systems with root disabled (ubuntu, osx)
[04:12] <Jeyrad> oooh
[04:12] <encryptio> "sudo -s" to get the effect of "su"
[04:12] <goldfish> sudo does
[04:12] <goldfish> bloody lag
[04:12] <neom> :\
[04:12] <Dwayne_> just gives me 0 upgrades, 0 new installtions
[04:12] <neom> hm
[04:12] <neom> odd
[04:12] <Jeyrad> i had this same problem with debian
[04:13] <Dwayne_> heh
[04:13] <Jeyrad> but i fixed it some how, cant remember
[04:13] <Dwayne_> how is this better than windows? :X
[04:13] <Jeyrad> iti s
[04:13] <neom> try this "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:13] <Jeyrad> you have to get into xwindows
[04:13] <Jeyrad> kde or gnome
[04:14] <bretzel> jeyrad: GNOME is prettier than KDE
[04:14] <Jeyrad> nooo
[04:14] <Dwayne_> all 0's
[04:14] <Jeyrad> kde is much better
[04:14] <neom> fsk
[04:14] <mike998> yipes... a kde vs gnome war
[04:14] <Jeyrad> what? kde is better
[04:15] <bretzel> Jeyrad: kde is better because of more apps support like KDevelop which I can't live without... k3b, and the like - otherwize, gnome is far better and light
[04:15] <mike998> Jeyrad: I ain't touching that one with a ten foot barge pole
[04:15] <u404> where can i get ubuntu linux md5 checksums?
[04:15] <mike998> you should never discuss: Religion, Politics or Window Manager preferences
[04:15] <Jeyrad> yeah. KDE is better though :P
[04:15] <neom> Dwayne_ - sudo apt-get install xserver-common
[04:15] <bretzel> listen all: I was a hard KDE user before I jumped to Ubuntu - gnome is far more beautyfull than KDE. :-) hahahaha
[04:16] <randabis> I perfer xfce
[04:16] <mike998> personally, I have always preferred gnome...
[04:16] <bretzel> anyway: Which file to edit to restore GDM as the display man ? ( I replaced with kdm when installing it and finally changed my mind)
[04:16] <Jeyrad> ive always prefered kde, and wish to never go to gnome
[04:16] <Jeyrad> thats why i dont like FC3
[04:17] <snowblink> bretzel: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:17] <mike998> pah... FCx are pretty awful
[04:17] <neom> Dwayne_ - Did that do anything?
[04:17] <mike998> i tried 1, 2 and 3 and didn't like any of them
[04:17] <Jeyrad> exactly
[04:17] <Dwayne_> hold on
[04:17] <Jeyrad> it didnt even have my audio drivers
[04:17] <Jeyrad> puey
[04:18] <bretzel> snowblink: ok wait I ...sh*&^T I am blind - If could see that file before asking here ;-(
[04:18] <Dwayne_> neom: told me to put in the CD-Rom
[04:18] <Dwayne_> so i did
[04:18] <Dwayne_> installing stuff?
[04:19] <neom> Should be installing x server.
[04:19] <Dwayne_> neom: it did
[04:19] <Dwayne_> now what?
[04:19] <Jeyrad> startx
[04:19] <neom> no
[04:19] <neom> ffs
[04:19] <neom> stfu
[04:19] <thully> hi - does anyone know how to tell how long an rsync will take?
[04:19] <Jeyrad> lol
[04:19] <Jeyrad> chill out neom
[04:19] <Dwayne_> that doesn't work
[04:19] <Dwayne_> lol
[04:19] <neom> no shit
[04:19] <Dwayne_> hey
[04:19] <Dwayne_> dont get pissed at me
[04:19] <Jeyrad> ooh yeah
[04:19] <Dwayne_> i'm new to linux
[04:19] <neom> sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[04:20] <Jeyrad> youve got to config it to use gnome or kde right?
[04:20] <neom> He has to get the Xfree86 X server first.
[04:20] <Jeyrad> yeah
[04:20] <Jeyrad> good point :P
[04:21] <mike998> Dwayne_: have you actually done anything with your system yet?
[04:21] <mike998> like, installed anything, or logged into it?
[04:21] <Dwayne_> i dunno :X
[04:21] <Dwayne_> neom, i typed sudo apt-get install xserver ;\
[04:21] <mike998> okay... let me rephrase that - you did the ubuntu install... and have you logged into your system yet?
[04:22] <Dwayne_> installed ubuntu, kinda :X
[04:22] <neom> mike - He installed it but x server is failing.
[04:22] <Dwayne_> neom, can i just talkt o you in PM?
[04:22] <mike998> okay - well, it may be a good idea to do a reinstall?
[04:22] <neom> mike - he also had no username. only root. :s
[04:22] <mike998> perhaps?>
[04:22] <Dwayne_> no
[04:22] <Dwayne_> i had a username
[04:22] <Dwayne_> but i didn't know it didn't show the ****
[04:22] <neom> oh
[04:22] <Dwayne_> neom i'ma chat with you in PM
[04:22] <goldfish> I had the same problem 4 times, i did 4 installs and no gui.
[04:22] <neom> oki
[04:23] <mike998> ya know... nothing is installed... why not just cut your losses and reinstall ?
[04:23] <mike998> I did it with this laptop...  and now I am up and running
[04:23] <goldfish> reinstall didnt work for me
[04:23] <goldfish> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[04:23] <goldfish> i had to run that
[04:24] <mike998> hmmm - interesting
[04:24] <goldfish> and it got the gui working for me.
[04:24] <jasonf> why isn't mplayer anywhere in the ubuntu repositories?
[04:25] <Jeyrad> aaw
[04:25] <Jeyrad> screw this, im sticking with debian
[04:25] <neom> Can't you just add the debian repository?
[04:26] <mike998> jasonf: isn't that in one of the repsoitories that you have to manually add?
[04:26] <jasonf> no idea
[04:26] <kox-rox> how can i get mp3 plkug
[04:26] <kox-rox> plugin for rhythmbox?
[04:26] <mike998> jasonf: http://ubuntuguide.org/ is the first place I would look if I were you
[04:27] <mike998> but I personally use xine
[04:27] <pussfeller> whats the gstreamer thing that has support fro musepack
[04:27] <e-Jah> kox-rox: ths remark for jasonf by mike998 is available too for you ;)
[04:27] <kox-rox> xine i dont like... rhythmbox looks a bit like itunes
[04:28] <mike998> :D
[04:28] <pepperpot> rhythmbox crashes a lot...
[04:28] <pussfeller> why would u use xine for music, isnt the playlist support really bad
[04:28] <randabis> gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:28] <mike998> eh... actually I use XMMS for my music needs
[04:28] <Jeyrad> debian roxors my boxors
[04:28] <randabis> that's for rhythmbox
[04:28] <pepperpot> ubuntu roxors my debian boxors
[04:28] <pussfeller> rhythmbox isnt the most stable app in the world, its true
[04:28] <kox-rox> but i'd really like to use rhythmbox
[04:28] <Jeyrad> debian roxors my ubuntu boxors
[04:29] <pepperpot> lol
[04:29] <kox-rox> isnt there any package out ?
[04:29] <pussfeller> tho, this is the first time its actually started without crashing
[04:29] <pussfeller> so its getting better
[04:29] <randabis> ubuntu just r0x :)
[04:29] <pepperpot> s'all good as long your boxors are roxors
[04:29] <Jeyrad> its so roxxors it rox my chicken pox
[04:29] <mike998> your boxors are roxors???
[04:29] <Jeyrad> o.o
[04:30] <pussfeller> im going to give my mom the disk and see how she does without help
[04:30] <mike998> EARTHQUAAAAAAAAAKE!!!
[04:30] <mike998> pussfeller: my dad is trying ubuntu... no help from me (bit far away for a tech support call
[04:31] <Jeyrad> what a name. pussfeller
[04:31] <pussfeller> blame my mom Jeyrad
[04:31] <pepperpot> Jeyrad: you gotsors chicken pox0rz?
[04:31] <Jeyrad> no
[04:31] <Jeyrad> lol
[04:31] <tgecho> hey, anyone know if anything came of that contest?
[04:31] <pussfeller> mike998, has he been successful
[04:32] <mike998> dunno..  Haven't spoken to him in a couple of days... but he did seem to be making VERY good progress - he...
[04:32] <mike998> he...
[04:32] <Lutty1> Newb question: how do I setup a internet dialup connection in ubuntu?
[04:32] <mike998> prefers KDE *sniff*
[04:32] <pepperpot> hmm, have a chemical brothers song stuck in my head now... "Don't rely on this to get you high"
[04:32] <pussfeller> i took off her win98 a couple years ago and put slack in and wouldnt take it off
[04:32] <pussfeller> that didn't make her happy :)
[04:32] <mike998> sooo... I told him to fire up synaptic and install KDE and select KDE for his session
[04:33] <mike998> everyone is happy
[04:33] <pepperpot> pussfeller: what applications did she miss?
[04:33] <pussfeller> quickbooks mostly
[04:33] <pepperpot> that an accounting package?
[04:33] <pussfeller> yeah, way more advanced than gnucash is so far
[04:34] <pussfeller> and one of the most annoying programs eva, it costs hundreds of dollars, and they nag you to death to buy more features
[04:34] <pussfeller> but they have an 80% marketshare in personal/small business financial software
[04:35] <pepperpot> well, if she paid hundreds of dollars for it, she might as well use it
[04:35] <pussfeller> she finnally got sick of it one day and paid 100$ to have win98 reinstalled
[04:35] <pepperpot> did she ever try grisbi?
[04:36] <pepperpot> not sure how that compares with gnucash
[04:36] <pepperpot> i actually need to set up an accounting system myself
[04:36] <jasonf> hrm. is anyone else having trouble apt-get update'ing the hoary universe repository?
[04:36] <pussfeller> heh, so i finally made her get rid of her p2 300 mhz and get a athlo 3200+ emachine, and she says she misses her old computer cause the new one doesnt have a floppy drive
[04:36] <pepperpot> lol
[04:37] <pussfeller> pepperpot, for persoanl use, gnucash isnt bad
[04:37] <pepperpot> pussfeller: does she even use floppies?
[04:37] <pepperpot> pussfeller: doesn't like udf on cd-rw?
[04:37] <pussfeller> yes, she wants floppies
[04:37] <wolf1502> usb floppy drive?
[04:37] <pepperpot> hmmm, how much do usb floppy drives cost these days?
[04:37] <mike998> pussfeller: have you tried a usb key?
[04:37] <mike998> lol
[04:37] <pussfeller> but I told her to use gmail which can hold more than a floppy
[04:38] <pepperpot> pussfeller: not good for confidential info though
[04:38] <pussfeller> i thot about that
[04:38] <pepperpot> pussfeller: you'd have to teach her gpg :p
[04:38] <pussfeller> gmail pop has to use ssl
[04:38] <pepperpot> i don't know
[04:39] <pepperpot> say, i'm upgrading sid to hoary. Which xserver should I select?  FATALITY!
[04:41] <pepperpot> pussfeller: how is gnucash for a small firm?
[04:41] <pussfeller> i think it would work for a small company
[04:42] <wasabi__> Is ubuntu's initrd image EVMS ready?
[04:42] <pussfeller> tho, i found the customer database /invoice interface very annoying and hard to use
[04:43] <pussfeller> google should make an online money manager
[04:43] <pussfeller> that  would be worth paying for
[04:43] <pussfeller> as peachtree is doa, and intuit is just the suckiest evillest company around
[04:44] <jasonf> BUT WHAT ABOUT MS MONEY!!!!1111ononeononoene
[04:44] <jasonf> :)
[04:44] <pepperpot> pussfeller: they should make a free money manager. Pay for it by selling adwords.
[04:44] <pepperpot> pussfeller: they would know what you could afford and what ads to show you ;p
[04:44] <jasonf> "It looks like you have extra money,  what would you like to spend it on?"
[04:44] <pussfeller> yeah that would be a great place to sell financial services :)
[04:45] <pussfeller> if yer balance is always overdrawn, they advertise debt reduction agencies and loan consolisdaations
[04:46] <pussfeller> or if you have over 500k they can bombard you with cigar and beamer ads
[04:47] <pepperpot> lol
[04:47] <pussfeller> jasonf, have you ever used msmoney? is it any good
[04:47] <jasonf> pussfeller: meh
[04:47] <jasonf> pussfeller: I use spreadsheets
[04:47] <pepperpot> i've used pclaw. It's a piece of crap
[04:48] <gollum> Whats the make config shit that u can do when u install ubuntu with cd?
[04:49] <gollum> And it says u can install it later, by typing the command.
[04:49] <djtansey> has anyone here used ubuntu (hoary) in a virtual machine? i'm trying to test some things from a clean system.
[04:49] <gollum> Whats the make config shit that u can do when u install ubuntu with cd?
[04:51] <neom> anyone know where xkill is in ubunatu?
[04:52] <mike998> neom: gnome has a nice panel applet you can use to kill rogue windows
[04:52] <neom> tyfound it
[04:53] <pussfeller> from my past experience  with debian, ubuntu really surprised me
[04:53] <pussfeller> i never could get past the install with deb
[04:53] <mike998> gollum: what do you mean>
[04:54] <pussfeller> but its even easier to use than fedora
[04:54] <mike998> pussfeller: and the community is great
[04:54] <pussfeller> yes, the feel is much friendlier
[04:54] <gollum> mike998: it is a "Update" config script of some kind when u install it allows u to download all new updates automatical, but i didnt, so i need to install them now, but forgot the command.
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> how would i go about setting up my video driver?
[04:54] <mike998> this is the first non MS o/s I have kept on my system
[04:55] <pussfeller> i think the devs need to see how fedora does its fonts tho and copy it
[04:55] <neom> xmms won't play. it freezes when I try and play a file.
[04:55] <mike998> gollum: you mean sudo apt-get update?
[04:55] <gollum> lol no
[04:55] <gollum> it is a part of the installasion
[04:56] <mike998> ah  yes
[04:56] <gollum> its something like makemenu makeconfigmenu
[04:56] <gollum> or something
[04:56] <neom> What's another mp3 player apart from xmms?
[04:56] <mike998> I know what you mean
[04:56] <gollum> but i can`t find it anywhere.
[04:56] <mike998> I can't remember the command
[04:56] <Crane> hello
[04:56] <pussfeller> mpd, amarok, juk
[04:56] <pussfeller> mpg123 :)
[04:56] <gollum> that dont help me very much mike998 ;)
[04:57] <neom> Was that for me pussfeller?
[04:57] <pussfeller> juk is actually a very good stable playlist/mp3 player
[04:57] <pussfeller> yes neom
[04:57] <mike998> Dwayne_: I've been running Ubuntu for about two months or so
[04:57] <pussfeller> but xmms has the most format support with the least hassle
[04:58] <HaloGray> it also supports winamp skins and playlists
[04:58] <HaloGray> and you can say what you like about winamp, but the skins are sweet :)
[04:58] <neom> What does status sleeping mean?
[04:58] <mike998> Dwayne_: okay
[04:58] <syn-ack> BMP also supports winamp skins.
[04:58] <pussfeller> for what it does its good
[04:58] <mike998> neom: awaiting input
[04:58] <Dreamer3> neom: means those tasks asn't doing anything
[04:58] <neom> odd
[04:58] <neom> It's frozen.
[04:59] <neom> oh well.
[04:59] <pussfeller> i use mpd unless i wanna play my mpc's
[04:59] <HaloGray> neom, I get that when my network doesn't respond
[04:59] <HaloGray> on my wireless
[04:59] <syn-ack> me uses Rhythmbox for all his mp3/ogg needs
[04:59] <pussfeller> till i figure out enough c to make mpd play differnt formats
[04:59] <HaloGray> rhythmbox is pretty good if you dig itunes
[04:59] <HaloGray> I personally prefer foobar2000 as my media player of choice
[04:59] <syn-ack> HaloGray: I LOVE iTunes.
[04:59] <pussfeller> yeah foobar is nice
[05:00] <HaloGray> is it available on linux?
[05:00] <HaloGray> or any sort of clone of it?
[05:00] <neom> pussfeller - I'm using gnome, not kde.
[05:00] <pussfeller> nah, its written in .net i think
[05:00] <HaloGray> it's definately not written in .net
[05:00] <pepperpot> rhytmbox always crashes when indexing my files
[05:00] <trey3> pussfeller: you mean C#?
[05:00] <syn-ack> I see that they FINNALLY got rid of that gnome-terminal bug where tabbing while using screen didnt play well.
[05:00] <HaloGray> I'm not sure what it's written in... but it's not .net
[05:00] <pussfeller> i think, trey3
[05:00] <mike998> oh he signed off
[05:01] <HaloGray> is there some sort of gnome menu editor?
[05:01] <HaloGray> because... as fun as digging around and hand editing giant config files for each shortcut is...
[05:01] <mike998> oh here's a question - does anyone know how to make a terminal the root window?
[05:01] <pussfeller> it was visual something I knew wouldnt port thru wine
[05:01] <pepperpot> mike998: oooh, interesting
[05:01] <trey3> pussfeller: .NET is an architechture that involves a CLI (Common Language Interface) ... Mono implements the same thing  :/
[05:02] <ushooz> HaloGray, to edit menus follow these steps
[05:02] <mike998> pepperpot: if you check out the screenshots of ubuntuforums.org, there is a fella who has that... I so wanna do that
[05:02] <pussfeller> it doesnt run in wine tho, at least it didnt for me
[05:02] <trey3> pussfeller: try with Mono  ;/
[05:02] <ushooz> HaloGray, click applications go down to run
[05:02] <HaloGray> ok
[05:02] <pussfeller> i dont wanna have anything to do with mono from what little i know and understand about it
[05:03] <ushooz> HaloGray, then type nautilus applications:///
[05:03] <mike998> pepperpot http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240&page=67&pp=10
[05:03] <trey3> pussfeller: Mono = .NET for everyone that doesn't use Windows   :/
[05:03] <syn-ack>      Thermal 1: ok, 129.2 degrees F
[05:03] <syn-ack> ewps
[05:03] <mike998> the post from answeris42
[05:03] <syn-ack> I was trying to COPY
[05:03] <ushooz> HaloGray, then select what part you want to edit and delete or create a new launcher
[05:04] <HaloGray> holy crap!
[05:04] <HaloGray> That's amazingly easier than hand editing configs...
[05:04] <Crane> lol
[05:05] <trey3> HaloGray: cept you just learned something useless, cuz applications:/// is gone in 2.10  ;)
[05:05] <ushooz> HaloGray, that is true. it is gone in 2.10
[05:05] <HaloGray> ... going to be something better to take its place?
[05:05] <trey3> HaloGray: supposedly... hopefully... yea
[05:06] <trey3> HaloGray: still waiting to see it though, and its after freeze  :/
[05:06] <pepperpot> trey3: so in other words you're saying we better set up all our shortcuts now before it's too late?
[05:06] <pepperpot> menus*
[05:07] <goldfish> Is there anything for ubuntu that monitors the temps and stuff and gives techy info like that?
[05:07] <goldfish> cpu load etc.. ?
[05:07] <trey3> pepperpot: umm... the menu system changed too... so that won't help either... (vfolders -> gnome-menu)
[05:07] <pepperpot> oh
[05:08] <unperson> goldfish, System monitor will tell you about CPU load.
[05:08] <Crane> uh oh
[05:08] <unperson> goldfish, Don't think it will do CPU temps.  There is an applet and a full application.
[05:09] <Crane> My video card is talking to me
[05:09] <trey3> Crane: whats it saying?
[05:09] <Crane> LOL
[05:09] <trey3> goldfish: you mean kinda like gkrellm maybe?
[05:09] <unperson> Crane, You mean it hasn't been...rendered speechless?
[05:09] <Crane> It's say "the fan is about to lock up"
[05:09] <HaloGray> Ok, so the very first thing I tried to add with it was nautilis applications:\\\ and it didn't work :P
[05:09] <trey3> Crane: well... at least it was nice enough to tell ya  ;P
[05:10] <goldfish> trey3: emm... new to linux, never heard of gkrellm :) but i'll look it up
[05:10] <syn-ack> trey3: I want an applet that shows cpu temp that goes in my notifcation tray.
[05:10] <HaloGray> off I go to find the config file to fix my screw up
[05:10] <Crane> trey3, LOL
[05:10] <syn-ack> They dont have one.
[05:10] <trey3> syn-ack: afaik, nothing like that exists?
[05:11] <goldfish> yeah i was looking for something like what syn-ack is asking
[05:11] <trey3> Not for tempreture etc at least... load yes  :/
[05:11] <syn-ack> trey3: not unless you install gdesklets or gkrell,
[05:11] <syn-ack> m
[05:11] <goldfish> Is there a way to make a terminal copy by just highlighting text?
[05:12] <trey3> syn-ack: neither of those go onto the panel though... so not what you're looking for afaict?
[05:12] <syn-ack> right
[05:12] <trey3> goldfish: you can use screen  8)
[05:12] <goldfish> heh
[05:12] <syn-ack> All I want is simple little applet that tells me cpu temp.
[05:12] <trey3> goldfish: else just use the mouse... middle mouse button to paste...
[05:15] <trey3> syn-ack: file an enhancement of GNOME's bugzilla? Shouldn't even be that hard... but likely won't get into gnome-applets-data till 2.12  :/
[05:15] <trey3> s/of/on/
[05:15] <syn-ack> trey3: heh
[05:15] <syn-ack> more than likely.
[05:15] <pussfeller> gkrellm is nice for watching multiple boxes
[05:15] <trey3> syn-ack: well, no, its a new feature... like I said, its after feature freeze...
[05:16] <trey3> (I think that was the 12 of this month...)
[05:16] <tsm2004beta> Hello, I was just curious to see if anyone here had successfully installed Counter Strike: Source and HL2 on Ubuntu with Point2Play and Cedega??
[05:16] <trey3> Uhh... last month...
[05:16] <syn-ack> trey3: Damn, barely missed it then.
[05:17] <trey3> tsm2004beta: uhh... Ubuntu doesn't support the use of either... so this is the wrong place to ask, sorry.
[05:17] <tsm2004beta> trey3, It doesn't hurt to ask, now does it?
[05:17] <goldfish> tsm2004beta: someone got hl2 working, in gaming section on ubuntuforums
[05:17] <syn-ack> tsm2004beta: Common sense would tell you that this is not the place to ask though
[05:18] <goldfish> tsm2004beta: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13566
[05:18] <randabis> #cedega
[05:18] <unperson> syn-ack, It ain't hurtin' no one.
[05:18] <regeya> trey3, I'd argue that he was asking everyone, and quite frankly, if one more person suggests that I can either use my system in the approved way or I need to not ask anyone, I'm suggesting to everyone I know that they never even consider Ubuntu.
[05:18] <tsm2004beta> goldfish, Thank you very much.    Second, if you use your system in ways that aren't supported, its on you to support that.
[05:20] <goldfish> heh
[05:20] <snarky> hey all, im running hoary and my sound doesnt work :( anyone able to help me?
[05:20] <Guardiann> hello all
[05:20] <pussfeller> did it ever work
[05:21] <Dwayne_> goldfish: when your screen was flickering?
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> Hello Guardian.
[05:21] <ushooz> snarky, waiting for stable before I move to it
[05:21] <Dwayne_> did you type in the username then it flickered?
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> Guardiann* even, sorry.
[05:21] <randabis> trey3, featurefreeze is in 5 days according to mdz
[05:21] <goldfish> Dwayne_: When i tried to log onto ubuntu.
[05:21] <snarky> ushooz: yeah it worked on warty, actually the sound is the only issue
[05:21] <Guardiann> hey tsm2004beta how are you
[05:21] <goldfish> Dwayne_: it flickered then went blank
[05:21] <pussfeller> is the module loaded
[05:21] <Dreamer3> snarky: and what is the exactly problem with sound now?
[05:21] <ushooz> snarky, I look forward to checking it out. Warty I like alot
[05:21] <goldfish> Dwayne_: Problem not sorted?
[05:21] <regeya> trey3, firstly, I suggest you go back to my previous statement and then it'll be clear why the question "many people that you know use Ubuntu?" isn't entirely on-topic.  Secondly...duh, I'm assuming that's why people are here, to do stuff with their Ubuntu systems.  Why not give users a chance to help each other use their systems in double-plus-ungood ways?
[05:22] <tsm2004beta> Guardiann, quite fine, thanks.
[05:22] <snarky> Dreamer3: uh when i open a sound file in rb for example it says "could not open resource for writing"
[05:22] <pussfeller> i had to manually load my sound card module and then it worked
[05:22] <ushooz> snarky, you do fresh install or a dist-upgrade?
[05:22] <Dreamer3> snarky: can you play sounds as root... sudo mpg123 for example?
[05:22] <snarky> ushooz: dist-upgrade
[05:22] <snarky> Dreamer3: lemme try
[05:23] <unperson> The thing I really love about Linux is the fact that it is a community about empowering users.  Not about officially sanctioned uses for your computers.  If you like that way of thinking, try Windows or Mac OS.
[05:23] <trey3> regeya: no body has said they can't do such things... no one cares what they do with their system, but its not supported, thus this isn't the place to ask about it... this is all I've said  :/
[05:23] <regeya> did I miss a channel guideline rule somewhere that only supported activities can be discussed?  Please point me in that direction!
[05:23] <snarky> Dreamer3: same error
[05:24] <pepperpot> unperson: having a guru like Jobs to worship must be comforting
[05:24] <Dreamer3> snarky: is the module for your sound card loaded?
[05:24] <regeya> if I, a ubuntu user, cannot ask other ubuntu users in #ubuntu about non-supported activities, please suggest a more appropriate place.  I will go there rather than the official ubuntu headquarters support line.
[05:24] <bitfoo> does anyone know why the sound crackles on my avi movies :|
[05:24] <snarky> Dreamer3: i...don't know (im kind of a n00b with this sort of thing)
[05:24] <randabis> I see no harm in discussing "unsupported" activities, but if there is already a channel devoted to said activity, then I think the discussion should be moved there
[05:24] <snarky> Dreamer3: yes it appears to be loaded
[05:24] <Dreamer3> randabis: unless it's REALLY ubuntu specific
[05:24] <randabis> yeah
[05:25] <snarky> Dreamer3: lsmod only lists loaded modules, correct?
[05:25] <Dreamer3> snarky: yes
[05:25] <Guardiann> looks like I missed something good
[05:25] <randabis> regeya, depends on said activity
[05:25] <snarky> Dreamer3: yeah, its loaded then
[05:25] <Dreamer3> regeya: #cedega in this example
[05:25] <regeya> I've seen people called onto the carpet in #ubuntu for asking about software in Universe.
[05:25] <randabis> now that's a bit ridiculous
[05:26] <trey3> regeya: see, the thing with cedega etc though... they are either stealing software, or PAID for support... the former is against the law, the latter means they have a better medium for support  :/
[05:26] <Dreamer3> trey3: ah, now i understand more
[05:26] <unperson> Well, I think there's a difference between saying, "Oh, you might ask in ___ too" as opposed to "that's not officially supported, so don't ask here."
[05:26] <pepperpot> trey3: maybe they live somewhere outside of the berne convention? :p
[05:27] <pussfeller> i have met the first linux user who is concerned about stealing software!
[05:27] <snarky> Dreamer3: any idea whats wrong?
[05:27] <cLin> hi
[05:27] <Dreamer3> snarky: no, what kind of sound carD?
[05:27] <regeya> trey3, beside the point, and not a reason to tell someone to take it elsewhere.  I can use mpeg2enc to do illegal things.  I can use vim to do illegal things, come to that. ;-)  Politely pointing someone in the right direction would be more helpful ;-)
[05:27] <cLin> is there something like cleartype on ubuntu?
[05:27] <snarky> Dreamer3: the worst ever, intel onboard
[05:27] <Dreamer3> cLin: yes
[05:27] <trey3> pussfeller: no... many are  :/
[05:27] <cLin> i just recently switched to linux and chose ubuntu but i need some thigns to make it more....homely
[05:27] <regeya> pussfeller, if I didn't care about not stealing, I'd probably be using XP right now. ;-)
[05:27] <snarky> Dreamer3: it worked in warty, and uuusually works
[05:27] <Dreamer3> snarky: hmmm, and it worked before?
[05:27] <pepperpot> snarky: is that worse that via?
[05:28] <HaloGray> cLin, what's up?
[05:28] <Dreamer3> cLin: under font properties of gnome... it's font smoothing for LCD
[05:28] <pepperpot> cLin: ubuntu is the most homely distro i have come across.
[05:28] <pussfeller> we should actually thank MS for making xp harder to copy
[05:28] <unperson> cLin, I think you mean homey, not homely.
[05:28] <Dreamer3> snarky: perhaps it's something changed in the kernel?
[05:28] <regeya> anywho...meh, I got way too worked up over that.  heh.
[05:28] <cLin> thanks guys
[05:28] <snarky> pepperpot: i dunno, but when it does work it provides crappy sound and theres no hardware mixing, except ALSA now supports a little bit of software mixing so it makes it better
[05:28] <Dreamer3> snarky: can you boot an older kernel?
[05:28] <pussfeller> since it does make you realize just how much you have to pay for that crap
[05:28] <Xenguy> pepperpot: one person's less is another person's more :p
[05:28] <snarky> Dreamer3: yeah i can..but i don't think thats the issue
[05:28] <pepperpot> cLin: get ubuntu-calendar-october or something
[05:28] <snarky> Dreamer3: rather im pretty sure
[05:28] <trey3> pussfeller: eh... they failed miserably... I have a cracked copy... I haven't used it since 2002 though  :/
[05:28] <cLin> i use a nForce3 mobo and geforce 6600 gt, do i need to update my drivers?
[05:29] <cLin> pep, what is that
[05:29] <pussfeller> im looking at having my client spend about 800 bucks for office xp and xp pro upgrade on 2 computers
[05:29] <snarky> Dreamer3: cuz there have been quite a few alsa updates recently (my sound hasn't been working for a while) and i think its a problem with alsa or something in hoary thats not in warty
[05:29] <regeya> um windows I mean
[05:29] <randabis> cLin, depends..
[05:29] <regeya> heh
[05:29] <regeya> s/XP/Windows/g
[05:29] <Dreamer3> snarky: well, when did it stop working?
[05:29] <pepperpot> snarky: true, it's alsa's crappy hardware mixing that made me buy an sblive. They're cheap these days
[05:29] <randabis> I have 3 oem copies of XP home gathering dust :p
[05:29] <snarky> Dreamer3: when i switched to hoary eheh
[05:30] <ushooz> pepperpot, kinda hard with my laptop :)
[05:30] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: my cs46xx onboard supports hardware mixing :)
[05:30] <snarky> pepperpot: yeah well its a laptop so i can't do that
[05:30] <pussfeller> pepperpot, does the mixing work, the 2 sounds at once on sblive?
[05:30] <crimsun> to be fair, alsa can't do hardware mixing, only hardware can. alsa is software.
[05:30] <Dreamer3> snarky: well, i dunno then
[05:30] <ushooz> my onboard ac97 on and intel mobo stinks as well
[05:30] <pepperpot> pussfeller: yes, without having to deal with dmix
[05:30] <snarky> Dreamer3: i just thought maybe a dev would be on that could help
[05:30] <regeya> well, randabis, that's precisely what should happen to xp home :-P
[05:30] <pussfeller> that would be nice to have for once
[05:30] <cLin> and are there logitech mouse drivers?
[05:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i finally gave up on dmix... my boards seems to do hardware mixing :)
[05:30] <randabis> you could get a usb sound card :p
[05:30] <pussfeller> so I could use teamspeak and etf
[05:30] <regeya> on floppy no less
[05:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: ...not sure why you were messing with dmix in the first place!
[05:31] <trey3> regeya: floppy 5 1/4  *g*
[05:31] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, i didn't know that it did till i was messing around with it
[05:31] <randabis> regeya, yeah...my sister still uses it on her pc and so does my stepbro, but I've semi converted my sis over to ubuntu
[05:31] <Dreamer3> crimsun: and 1.0.8 didn't help dmix any
[05:31] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: i spent many many hours fiddling with dmix when it was in CVS and barely documented before I realized my time would be better spent if I just bought an sblive
[05:31] <regeya> how is it that I have an 18-year-old copy of King's Quest that still (mostly) works, but floppies from 5 years ago won't work? ;-)
[05:31] <randabis> seems she doesn't use it too much though
[05:31] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: i can't buy an sblive for my lappy though
[05:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: your symptoms are interesting; I'll have to look into it.
[05:31] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: right, i know... hm...
[05:32] <crimsun> snarky: what issues?
[05:32] <randabis> creative makes usb sound solutions too :p
[05:32] <snarky> crimsun: sound not working in hoary, but worked in warty
[05:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, i might even say it was working, but if so the volume was 0... no way to tell with no sound :)
[05:32] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: then you either need to use dmix or else do something more high-level
[05:32] <neom> like.. sudo -s?
[05:32] <neom> oops
[05:32] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: no, my integreated supports hardware mixing :)
[05:32] <pepperpot> randabis: exigy seems quite nice
[05:32] <crimsun> snarky: mixer problem?
[05:32] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: then you are lucky :)
[05:32] <snarky> crimsun: not playing any sound..
[05:32] <randabis> pepperpot, yeah, they make another cheaper one too
[05:33] <crimsun> snarky: did you paste your lsmod and amixer output onto http://pastebin.ca/ ?
[05:33] <pepperpot> there are also some nice prosumer level firewire sound cards
[05:33] <unperson> Anyone aware of an app that has an option to let you know how strong the wireless signal is by beeping?
[05:33] <crimsun> 1394 sound is not recommended under Linux currently
[05:33] <snarky> crimsun: no
[05:33] <Dreamer3> unperson: like a geiger counter?
[05:33] <trey3> unperson: not by beeping I don't think... but netapplet tells you I think...
[05:33] <pepperpot> crimsun: I didn't know that... :/
[05:34] <randabis> lol@geiger counter
[05:34] <pussfeller> that would be agood sound to port somehow
[05:34] <trey3> unperson: "Network Monitor" applet...
[05:34] <snarky> Dreamer3: actually it may be 2.6.10, im reading on the ubuntu bugzilla that another guy that uses the same soundcard doesnt have sound in 2.6.10
[05:34] <snarky> Dreamer3: i'll reboot and see whats up
[05:34] <unperson> Dreamer3, Sort of yes, but with beeps rather than clicks.
[05:34] <Dreamer3> snarky: i said to try the older kernel ;-)
[05:35] <pussfeller> i copied the wavs out of serious sam and use those for mail notifications and stuff :)
[05:35] <unperson> trey3, You mean the wireless link monitor, I assume.
[05:35] <trey3> unperson: nope... because I don't see that  :/
[05:36] <bitfoo> heh
[05:36] <bitfoo> my mail notification goes "BEEP BEEP Mail M****** F****!!!"
 It wastes memory like crazy
[05:37] <Dreamer3> ushooz: maybe it's ms's fault :)
[05:37] <ushooz> 648 meg use for one process
[05:37] <regeya> if anyone here knew what sort of frankenstein's monster my ubuntu system was, I'd probably be banned for asking questions. ;-)
[05:37] <Dreamer3> ushooz: um
[05:37] <neom> Does anyone know how hard it would be to allow me to pick what software enviornment I wanted to use when I start ubunutu? For example, in drake under the login dialog there was a dropdown with a section between kde/gnome/swordfish/etc etc?