[01:23] <b1tbkt> silly question but shouldn't my maas/juju nodes contain a juju executable?
[01:26] <sarnold> b1tbkt: I think the 'juju' executable is just for the human-controlled machine; I think the others are controlled by agents called something more like juju-agent ..
[01:28] <b1tbkt> 'locate juju' with an updatedb db yields nothing
[01:28] <b1tbkt> on naything except machine 0
[01:35] <sarnold> b1tbkt: how about a find /usr -name '*juju*' ? I like locate, but between never being sure what is visible to it, what it indexes, and how often, I tend to like an explicit 'find' when looking for things...
[01:36] <sarnold> well, rather, when _troubleshooting_ I prefer to use 'find'.
[01:37] <b1tbkt> root@10-10-21-23:~# find / -name juju*
[01:37] <b1tbkt> root@10-10-21-23:~#
[01:37] <sarnold> well that is odd :)
[01:38] <sarnold> b1tbkt: does this machine show up in 'juju status'? or is still an unprovisioned node?
[01:38] <b1tbkt> i can ssh into the boxes with native ssh ubuntu@[IP] but juju ssh is always 'waiting for maching to come up'
[01:38] <b1tbkt> yes, it shows up in juju status
[01:39] <b1tbkt> agent-state: not-started
[01:42] <b1tbkt> the agent should natively be a part of the maas isos, no? or does juju deploy the agent itself?
[01:42] <sarnold> b1tbkt: I'm used to juju deploying the agent, but I've not yet tried maas
[01:43] <b1tbkt> if juju normally deploys it then maas shouldn't interfere in any way
[03:16] <freeflying> hi all, where can I find the source of juju's doc https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/, are they under juju's trunk? or some other place?
[03:19] <sarnold> freeflying: http://askubuntu.com/questions/52063/how-do-i-contribute-documentation-to-juju
[03:19] <mfisch> freeflying: l... nm!
[03:20] <freeflying> sarnold: mfisch awesome, thanks :)
[03:28] <mfisch> marcoceppi: still awake ?
[12:37] <ahasenack> hi guys, I can't seem to juju bootstrap using juju-core and canonistack (openstack), I get "error: no tools available". I was just able to bootstrap on ec2, though
[12:38] <ahasenack> 2013/04/25 09:37:19 INFO environs: reading tools with major version 1
[12:38] <ahasenack> 2013/04/25 09:37:19 INFO environs: falling back to public bucket
[12:38] <ahasenack> 2013/04/25 09:37:19 ERROR command failed: no tools available
[12:41] <mgz> I haven't got creds on whatever the bucket we have on canonistack is, so they've not been updated. you can copy the tools from ec2 to your own container.
[12:44] <ahasenack> I have no idea how to do that, nor what "tools" are. I'm coming from pyjuju
[12:44] <ahasenack> who has those creds?
[12:45] <marcoceppi> mgz: how is this tools thing handled for private clouds that we don't have access to in order to upload the tools?
[12:45]  * marcoceppi thinks of documenting how to upload tools
[12:46] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: good point
[12:46] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: like, someone from Company downloads juju and wants to try it with their own openstack deployment, it won't work out of the box, right?
[12:47] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: I'm not sure, trying to figure that out :) It sounds like there's something you can do based on mgz's response. I'm just not sure what that /thing/ is
[12:47] <ahasenack> sounds like there is a hardcoded path somewhere, path to a bucket
[12:48] <ahasenack> maybe s/hardcoded/control-bucket/
[12:48] <ahasenack> but that's unique for each one of us, right, it's random
[12:53] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: it sounds like each "provider" has a global bucket maintained by the core team. If the tools arent' there it looks in your own bucket specified in the environments.yaml
[12:54] <ahasenack> I tried --upload-tools, but it requires something else
[12:55] <ahasenack> so I checked out "juju-core" from lp:
[12:55] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.canonical.com/89978/
[12:55] <ahasenack> time to read the README ;)
[12:57] <ahasenack> hm, the checkout needs to be in $GOPATH
[12:59] <ahasenack> is the goal to have the tools available as normal ubuntu packages at some point?
[13:02] <ahasenack> hm, make still explodes
[13:30] <ahasenack> hmm, I have a silli question: does the charm directory have to match the charm name in metadata.yaml?
[13:31] <ahasenack> like, I have ~/charms/precise/keystone-ha
[13:31] <ahasenack> but the charm name in keystone-ha/metadata.yaml is just keystone
[13:31] <ahasenack> I can't seem to deploy it, juju complains about not finding the charm
[13:34] <ahasenack> ah, never mind, got it, I was missing the <release> directory
[13:46] <orospakr> hmm, is there an example out there (perhaps in the charm store?) of a charm that uses chef(-solo) for config and provisioning?  it seems like at least a little bit of glue is required, and I wouldn't mind being able to crib off someone! ;)
[14:31] <dpb_> Hi all -- how well does jitsu work with juju-core?
[14:37] <jcastro> marcoceppi: check out the post from bjorn on the mailing list
[14:37] <jcastro> dpb_: it does not, but the core team is real responsive
[14:37] <jcastro> so we plan on rolling in things people want relatively quickly
[14:37] <dpb_> jcastro: should I file a bug report?
[14:38] <jcastro> I think a tracking bug wouldn't hurt
[14:38] <jcastro> mramm: what do you think?
[14:38] <ahasenack> wasn't jitsu always a "temporary tool", with things that would eventually make it into core?
[14:38] <ahasenack> might make more sense to file a specific feature request against core instead of asking to "port" jitsu to juju-core
[14:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah going to make an au post on it. make sure it find its way in to the docs
[14:39] <jcastro> ack
[14:40]  * marcoceppi needs to test first
[15:05] <AskUbuntu> How can I copy Juju tools for use in my deployment? | http://askubuntu.com/q/285395
[15:06] <mgz> marcoceppi: is that still borked for you?
[15:07] <jcastro> it's still borked for one guy
[15:07] <jcastro> I think he's just writing up a question to FAQ/link
[15:07] <mgz> that was what I suspected,
[15:07] <jcastro> I also only just now noticed that this was mentioned in the release notes and I totally missed that.
[15:07] <marcoceppi> mgz: what castro said
[15:07] <mgz> but didn't want to accuse him of reputation farming :)
[15:08] <jcastro> ok so mgz
[15:08] <jcastro> moving forward
[15:08] <jcastro> people who set up internal clouds
[15:08] <jcastro> will they need to sync as part of the initial set up?
[15:08] <mgz> people are still having issues, but I'm not clear on the contexts of all of them...
[15:08] <jcastro> or will this be automated at some point?
[15:09] <mgz> jcastro: there's logic to copy tools from a public location to your personal container in your tenant
[15:09] <jcastro> ok if this next guy still has a problem, I will ask him to file a bug and we can dig in
[15:09] <mgz> I need to recheck what circumstances everything gets triggered in though
[15:09] <jcastro> yeah
[15:09] <ahasenack> right now ec2 seems to have the tools correctly
[15:09] <jcastro> I am just wondering where in the instructions we add that.
[15:09] <mgz> because there were quite a few changes across development and I'm now really confused about the current state :P
[15:09] <ahasenack> I bootstrapped a couple of hours ago with the latest version from the ppa
[15:10] <ahasenack> sync-tools isn't working for me, though
[15:15] <dpb_> mramm: what should I do for jitsu?  file a bug to have it ported?  File feature requests in juju-core?
[15:17] <jcastro> marcoceppi: are you working on an answer or want me to chip in for that tools question?
[15:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: if you have an answer, go for it. I've been playing around trying to replicate the error so I can post the solution
[15:18] <jcastro> hmm
[15:18] <jcastro> so is it supposed to be just "juju sync" or what?
[15:18] <robbiew> jcastro: is it a known bug that "juju status <servicename>" doesn't work? e.g. juju status wordpress, should show me the status of all units in the wordpress ser
[15:18] <robbiew> only asking to know if I should file a bug or not
[15:19]  * robbiew using juju-core in 13.04....\o/
[15:19] <ahasenack> jcastro: see juju@, I posted a similar question there
[15:19] <jcastro> I think that's a known bug
[15:19] <ahasenack> jcastro: sync-tools, but it didn't work for me just now
[15:19] <jcastro> right
[15:20] <jcastro> and would a random person's openstack have access to that url?
[15:20] <ahasenack> in s3 it's public afaik
[15:20] <ahasenack> so the idea is to copy it from the aws bucket into your private cloud's bucket
[15:20] <ahasenack> that's what I understood sync-tools does
[15:20] <jcastro> nod
[15:22] <robbiew> jcastro: ack..good ;)
[15:22] <ahasenack> with the caveat "Due to some internal limitations, you have to have Ec2 credentials to do
[15:22] <ahasenack> this (our ec2 code requires creds even though the bucket is public)."
[15:35] <wkharold> just installed 13.04, doing the Juju Getting Started, want to use LXC, setup an environments.yaml stanza that uses 'type: local', juju bootstrap sez 'unknown provider type "local"'
[15:35] <wkharold> pls tell me LXC will be supported ...
[15:37] <mgz> wkharold: `apt-get install juju`, juju-core will support local lxc deployments, but not in this release
[15:38] <mgz> the good news is you can continue using juju for local charm testing, and deploy those charms with juju-core if you wish
[16:01] <wkharold> mgz: tnx
[16:02] <jcastro> Daviey: hey, I'd like to update all the websites/AU questions/docs about how to install Juju from backports
[16:03] <jcastro> right now it's all pointing to the PPA.
[16:03] <jcastro> But I've not done backports before, what are the steps?
[16:03] <Daviey> jcastro: Desktop, it should be enabled by default.
[16:03] <Daviey> Server, i believe it is aswell.
[16:04] <Daviey> However, it's possible people might have disabled it.
[16:04] <jcastro> ok so on a clean install
[16:04] <jcastro> and I apt-get install juju-core
[16:04] <Daviey> For most people, it's just a simple case of sudo apt-get install juju-core
[16:04] <jcastro> over time I'll get backports
[16:04] <jcastro> ok so other than that, it's just the same as distro
[16:04] <jcastro> other than a link to how to reenable backports on a server if they explicitly turned it off
[16:04] <jcastro> anything else?
[16:05] <Daviey> jcastro: Usually, you have to specific juju-core/raring-backports .. his ISN'T required because it's not in a primary pocket aswell
[16:05] <jcastro> ok so as far as the instructions are concerned, same commands as distro
[16:06] <Daviey> jcastro: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Enabling_Backports
[16:06]  * jcastro nods
[16:06] <jcastro> ok I'll update everything now then, thanks
[16:07] <Daviey> jcastro: "If you previously disabled Backports, or the apt-get command doesn't find juju-core - it is most likely you need to enable it by.."
[16:07] <jcastro> right
[16:09] <jcastro> Daviey: when do you anticipate the backport landing in 12.04?
[16:12] <Daviey> jcastro: I wouldn't like to comment.
[16:12] <jcastro> days, weeks, or months would be good enough?
[16:12] <Daviey> hopefully soon
[16:12] <jcastro> because otherwise I need to write version specific instructions
[16:13] <Daviey> I'd suggest ~3 weeks, which should leave some bounce room.
[16:13] <Daviey> I am not in the Ubuntu backports team, so i can't be more firm.
[16:13] <jcastro> close enough, thanks.
[16:17] <jcastro> Daviey: is pyju in backports as well?
[16:19] <Daviey> no
[16:20] <Daviey> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes#Juju useful?
[16:21] <jcastro> hah, yeah
[16:21] <jcastro> thanks
[16:23] <mgz> release notes there are pretty neat
[17:24] <mramm> dpb_: file feature requests for juju-core
[17:25] <mramm> or for tools to go alongside juju-core that do what jitsu did
[17:29] <dpb_> ok
[17:29] <dpb_> mramm: thx
[17:29] <jcastro> marcoceppi: check out manage.jujucharms.com and see if that works for you
[17:29] <jcastro> might need to wait for DNS
[17:30] <marcoceppi> jcastro: it loads for me. What should I expect?
[17:30] <mramm> we are also experamenting with a python API to talk directly to the juju state server over a websocket, so that some jitsu-ike commands can still be written in python
[17:31] <jcastro> marcoceppi: a UI to be able to score charms, etc.
[17:31] <mramm> hazmat has a very experimental branch up on launchpad already
[17:31] <mramm> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jujuclient/0.0.1
[17:32] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I just see the charmworld
[17:33] <jcastro> do you see a login button on the right?
[17:33] <hazmat> mramm, its not that experimental..
[17:33] <hazmat> mramm, i mean the gui and landscape have been using it for months..
[17:34] <hazmat> oh. that one
[17:34] <hazmat> python websocket confusion
[17:34] <mramm> right
[17:34] <mramm> it is like 2 days old ;)
[17:34] <hazmat> mramm, i want agents in python too
[17:35] <mramm> hazmat: interesting
[17:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, and I logged in, but no idea what/where to go from there
[17:36] <jcastro> I was just making sure it resolved for you
[17:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ah, cool
[17:39] <mramm> hazmat: new kinds of agents, or replacing machine and unit agents with python?
[17:40] <mramm> I think there are quite a few advantages to the core agents being a self contained binary
[17:43] <jcastro> marcoceppi: we should have the new UI for managing ratings, etc tomorrow
[17:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro: awesome
[17:47] <jcastro> mramm: arosales: ok instructions all updated everywhere and pushed, just waiting for the RT response, last bit will be to announce to the mailing list.
[17:47] <arosales> jcastro, thanks :-)
[17:52] <mramm> jcastro: rock and roll!
[17:52] <dpb_> mramm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1172814, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1172811
[17:52] <_mup_> Bug #1172814: Need a way to run an end-to-end test on a juju environment. <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172814>
[17:52] <_mup_> Bug #1172811: Need a way to watch juju-core environements <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172811>
[17:55] <arosales> jcastro, m_3: other charmers. Your guys' thoughts on adding lp:charms & lp:charm-tools to to lp:juju-project?
[17:55] <jcastro> didn't know we had -project
[17:55] <arosales> re the juju-dev list thread subj="juju-project
[17:56] <arosales> jcastro, I think Danilo _just_ added it
[17:57] <jcastro> I haven't gotten the mail yet
[17:58] <arosales> jcastro, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju-dev/2013-April/000943.html
[17:59] <jcastro> that seems pretty straightforward and beneficial
[18:11] <jcastro> arosales: mramm: forgot to eat lunch, bbi ~30. The RT for the website is #61095 if you want to follow along
[18:11] <_mup_> Bug #61095: Crash trying to open tomboy preferences <tomboy (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/61095>
[18:13] <marcoceppi> arosales: I'm not sure if charms would work as it's already it's own distro, but charm-tools would be a good idea
[18:17] <arosales> marcoceppi, ya may not want to mess with lp:charms since it it is tied to the charm store.
[18:21] <marcoceppi> We don't have a rabbitmq charm?
[18:21] <hazmat> mramm, new kind
[18:21] <hazmat> marcoceppi, we do
[18:22] <marcoceppi> hazmat: "rabbit" in charmworld returns nothing
[18:22] <ahasenack> rabbitmq-server probably
[18:22] <hazmat> http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server
[18:22] <marcoceppi> odd
[18:22] <hazmat> marcoceppi, substring searching needs ie. rabbit*
[18:22] <hazmat> needs star
[18:22] <marcoceppi> hazmat: Ah, didn't realize it needed wildcard for searches
[18:22] <marcoceppi> thanks
[18:24] <hazmat> marcoceppi, rabbitmq would work as well.. its tokenizing.
[18:32] <ahasenack> hi, what's the right update-alternatives command to switch back to juju-core? The command from the release notes isn't working
[18:32] <ahasenack> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes#Juju
[18:32] <ahasenack> $ sudo update-alternatives --set juju /usr/lib/juju-1.10.0/bin/juju
[18:32] <ahasenack> update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/lib/juju-1.10.0/bin/juju for juju not registered; not setting
[18:36] <mgz> ahasenack: just run `update-alternatives --config juju` and pick from the list
[18:36] <mgz> I'm guessing the version number change has messed with it... really it should be 1.10 only or something
[18:36] <ahasenack> mgz: doesn't work
[18:37] <ahasenack> $ sudo update-alternatives --config juju
[18:37] <ahasenack> There is only one alternative in link group juju (providing /usr/bin/juju): /usr/lib/juju-0.7/bin/juju
[18:37] <ahasenack> Nothing to configure.
[18:37] <ahasenack> mgz: I'm using juju-core from the ppa, is the distro one different?
[18:39] <mgz> it is.
[18:39] <mgz> (for now)
[18:39] <ahasenack> ok, that explains it
[18:39] <ahasenack> so the ppa one for now can't coexist with the py one
[18:44] <mramm> we will update the PPA package recipe to match the release soon
[18:46] <ahasenack> ok
[18:53] <jcastro> marcoceppi: nice work on those icons!
[18:53] <marcoceppi> cant' wait to see them in the UI
[18:58] <arosales> marcoceppi, +1, thanks for knocking those out
[19:01] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ~20 minutes is what rick tells me for the site to update
[19:32] <jcastro> mramm: arosales: RT pushed through, we're now all up to date doc wise.
[19:32] <jcastro> at least until like tomorrow or whenever you guys decide to switch over to PPA builds. :p
[19:58] <arosales> jcastro, thanks I see that @ https://juju.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[20:03] <mramm> jcastro: I think we will just push "supported" updates into the backports repository
[20:03] <mramm> and use the PPA for development releases
[20:03] <jcastro> I like that
[20:03] <mramm> so we should not have to change the docs
[20:04] <jcastro> indeed
[20:04] <jcastro> in hindsight
[20:04] <jcastro> we should have done this for the previous releases too
[20:04] <mramm> agreed
[20:04] <jcastro> but whatever
[20:04] <mramm> it is what it is
[20:04] <jcastro> the ships are ablaze as you have ordered my conquistador.
[20:04] <mramm> haha
[20:04] <mramm> was watching the game of thrones last night -- you win or you die
[20:05] <mramm> ;)
[20:05] <jcastro> I just posted to the list to see if there's any other major transition issues people would like to see handled
[20:05] <jcastro> heya marcoceppi
[20:05] <marcoceppi> heya jcastro
[20:05] <jcastro> a follow up mail to mine wrt. the status of charm-tools with 1.10.x would probably help
[20:05] <jcastro> let people know that those tools are all set to go
[20:06] <jcastro> mramm: we've had some issues with juju sync not working for some people wrt. getting the tools in their buckets
[20:06] <jcastro> ahasenack: is yours still broken?
[20:06] <marcoceppi> jcastro: Well, they only really live in PPA, the distro version won't have the pretty new charm create in it
[20:07] <mramm> well, we should just mention that, and how to enable them.
[20:07] <ahasenack> jcastro: I can deploy on aws without any hack, and on canonistack after I set that public tools url in the environments file
[20:07] <ahasenack> jcastro: I haven't tried sync-tools anymore since this morning, when it didn't work
[20:07] <mramm> as for sync-tools -- any bugs on that will get very high priority
[20:08] <ahasenack> I get this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5602223/
[20:08] <jcastro> mramm: ok so in the case of this guy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/284846/juju-doesnt-bootstrap-due-to-error-command-failed-no-tools-available-error
[20:08] <mramm> is there a bug filed for that?
[20:08] <jcastro> how do people get the tools on their own internal openstack?
[20:08] <ahasenack> mramm: sync? no, I emailed the list about it because I wasn't sure I was using it correctly
[20:09] <mramm> ok
[20:09] <jcastro> or do they put our canonistack url in their environments.yaml? (that can't be right)
[20:09] <mramm> they should be able to sync them into local buckets
[20:09] <mramm> until the tools were in the right place in amazon that would not work
[20:09] <ahasenack> that was my understanding. That the source is always aws, and the target is what you say with -e
[20:10] <mramm> but it should work now
[20:10] <mramm> if not, that's a critical bug which should be addressed ASAP
[20:10] <ahasenack> can someone else try?
[20:10] <mramm> even if the solution is just to provide a workaround script that does the copy
[20:11] <mramm> and a real fix pushed in an update release
[20:11] <jcastro> does anyone have the URL to the s3 bucket?
[20:11] <jcastro> the release notes only mention canonistack and hp cloud
[20:12] <ahasenack> it's hardcoded in juju, you shouldn't need it
[20:12] <ahasenack> it's in the code, I mean
[20:12] <ahasenack> (or so I think)
[20:13] <ahasenack> oh, for a workaround script
[20:14] <ahasenack> jcastro: https://s3.amazonaws.com/juju-dist/tools/juju-1.10.0-precise-amd64.tgz?Expires=1682453601&Signature=zak2C4ARkuqMDG24lxQwVPNhpQc%3D&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIE2BLLQVB4JVA6RQ
[20:14] <ahasenack> but that was locally generated, probably with my credentials
[20:14] <jcastro> nod
[20:14] <ahasenack> meaning, not good for a blog post
[20:14] <ahasenack> I got it with juju sync-tools -e canonistack -v
[20:14] <ahasenack> the -v showed it
[20:15] <ahasenack> but I can actually download it, it works (wget, web browser)
[20:16] <sidnei> removing all the query params works too
[20:16] <ahasenack> ah, good
[20:16] <ahasenack> ok, I remember now
[20:16] <ahasenack> they said that juju requires creds, even though it's a public bucket
[20:18] <jcastro> ok so for a normal openstack user
[20:18] <jcastro> just "juju sync-tools" is the answer?
[20:19] <ahasenack> hm, here is another command line incompatibility
[20:19] <ahasenack> 2013/04/25 20:17:51 INFO worker/uniter: HOOK error: flag provided but not defined: -r
[20:19] <ahasenack> 2013/04/25 20:17:51 INFO worker/uniter: HOOK subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['relation-list', '-r', 'swift-storage:2']' returned non-zero exit status 2
[20:19] <sidnei> jcastro: it should be, but it requires you to have valid aws credentials
[20:19] <ahasenack> jcastro: I think so, bar that "use of closed network connection" bug
[20:19] <ahasenack> and what sidnei said
[20:20] <mwhudson> juju bootstrap (pointed at a maas install) fails with "error: no tools available"
[20:20] <mwhudson> any ideas?
[20:21] <ahasenack> mwhudson: raring? which version of the package?
[20:21] <mwhudson> ahasenack: no, precise
[20:21] <mwhudson> from https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/devel/+packages
[20:21] <ahasenack> mwhudson: 1.10.0 something?
[20:21] <mwhudson> yeah, i think so
[20:22] <ahasenack> 1.10.0-1~1189~raring1 is what I have (raring)
[20:22] <mwhudson> 1.10.0-1~1189~precise1
[20:22] <ahasenack> I was having that tools error earlier today and some days ago
[20:22] <ahasenack> mwhudson: and the default-series you are targeting? precise too?
[20:22] <mwhudson> um
[20:23] <mwhudson> yes
[20:25] <ahasenack> mwhudson: I don't know then, should be the same I have deployed right now in aws. precise, 64 bits, 1.10.0
[20:25] <ahasenack> maybe with maas it behaves differently, was it working "before", for some definition of before?
[20:25] <mwhudson> no, this is a new install
[20:25] <mwhudson> i sort of had it working with juju-py
[20:25] <ahasenack> ah, ok, so many variables
[20:25] <ahasenack> mramm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1172895, fyi
[20:25] <_mup_> Bug #1172895: relation-list incompatibility with pyjuju: -r <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172895>
[20:26] <mramm> ahasenack: for the command line tool incompatibility type things, or anything else you find -- feel free to file bugs.   Even if they are just temporary issues or you don't know if they are reproducable -- we should be able to handle that with our bug triage process.
[20:26] <mramm> ahasenack: perfect!
[20:26] <ahasenack> thanks
[20:28] <mramm> ahasenack: I added the relation list issue to the immediate dev queue
[20:28] <ahasenack> mramm: nice
[20:28] <ahasenack> someone fixed a similar issue earlier today with --log-level vs -l
[20:29] <mramm> Frank was just working on that stuff, so I think it should be fresh in his mind
[20:29] <ahasenack> mramm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1172717 it says "merged", but the bug is open and the review request still pending
[20:29] <mramm> ok, I'll look into it
[20:30] <ahasenack> probably something to do with the rietveld integration (if I spelled that correctly)
[20:31] <mramm> yea, we don't have it all wired up to automatically close things in LP
[20:32] <mwhudson> ahasenack: you said you had the same problem, and now you don't?
[20:32] <mwhudson> did you do anything to fix it, or did it just go away?
[20:33] <ahasenack> mwhudson: it just disappeared, they uploaded the right set of tools to that public amazon bucket
[20:33] <mwhudson> ah
[20:34] <ahasenack> mwhudson: try sourcing aws creds, I think juju requires those even though the s3 bucket is public
[20:34] <mwhudson> where do i put s3 creds in the set up for a maas environment?
[20:34] <ahasenack> mwhudson: I'm just guessing now, but try sourcing them in your shell for starters
[20:34] <mwhudson> oh right
[20:35] <ahasenack> mwhudson: and re-run the command with -v, might have more useful output
[20:35] <mwhudson> tried that:)
[20:35] <mwhudson> mwhudson@lava-leg01:~$ juju -v bootstrap
[20:35] <mwhudson> 2013/04/25 21:32:12 INFO environs: reading tools with major version 1
[20:35] <mwhudson> 2013/04/25 21:32:12 INFO environs: falling back to public bucket
[20:35] <mwhudson> 2013/04/25 21:32:12 ERROR command failed: no tools available
[20:35] <mwhudson> error: no tools available
[20:35] <mwhudson> mwhudson@lava-leg01:~$
[20:35] <ahasenack> ok :(
[20:35] <ahasenack> did you source the aws creds in that run?
[20:35] <mwhudson> no
[20:36] <mwhudson> trying to find some, haven't used aws in a while ...
[20:36] <ahasenack> that's the "public bucket" bit I believe
[20:36] <jcastro> imbrandon: ping
[20:36] <mwhudson> ahasenack: i forget, how do you even set AWS creds?
[20:37] <ahasenack> mwhudson: EC2_SECRET_KEY, EC2_ACCESS_KEY,
[20:37] <ahasenack> I think that's it
[20:37] <mwhudson> oh right
[20:38] <ahasenack> you grab them from the aws console somewhere
[20:38] <ahasenack> EC2_URL too, but probably not needed in this case
[20:38] <ahasenack> https://ec2.us-east-1.amazonaws.com is mine
[20:38]  * mwhudson finds the right bit of his .bashrc
[20:42] <mwhudson> no difference
[20:47] <mwhudson> mwhudson@lava-leg01:~$ juju -v sync-tools
[20:47] <mwhudson> 2013/04/25 21:46:20 INFO environs/ec2: opening environment "juju-public"
[20:47] <mwhudson> 2013/04/25 21:46:20 ERROR failed to initialize the official bucket environment
[20:47] <mwhudson> 2013/04/25 21:46:20 ERROR command failed: environment has no access-key or secret-key
[20:47] <mwhudson> error: environment has no access-key or secret-key
[20:48] <mwhudson> ^ this looks like the sort of thing you were saying?
[20:50] <ahasenack> hm, yeah
[20:50] <ahasenack> but you got it when you *used* the aws creds? :)
[20:51] <mwhudson> no
[20:51] <mwhudson> but!
[20:51] <mwhudson> i have now fond
[20:51] <mwhudson> *found
[20:51] <mwhudson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~goamz/goamz/trunk/view/head:/aws/aws.go
[20:51] <ahasenack> you didn't specify an env above
[20:51] <ahasenack> -e
[20:51] <mwhudson> which tells me which env vars to set :/
[20:51] <ahasenack> AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID and AWS_SECRET_ACCESS_KEY
[20:52] <ahasenack> to tell you the truth, I have both sets :)
[20:52] <ahasenack> EC2_* and AWS_*
[20:52] <mwhudson> yeah, different tools look at different vars i think :(
[20:53] <mwhudson> ok, that's doing something
[20:53] <mwhudson> however
[20:53] <mwhudson> it only seemed to copy i386 and amd64 tools and i'm going to be deploying armhf...
[20:53] <mwhudson> so i guess that's going to be another problem
[20:54] <ahasenack> it is :)
[20:54] <ahasenack> ok, but this is important
[20:54] <ahasenack> you had to set the aws creds
[20:54] <mwhudson> yes
[20:54] <ahasenack> even when not using aws
[20:54] <mwhudson> and then run sync-tools
[20:54] <ahasenack> what did it output this time?
[20:54] <mwhudson> (i don't know if bootstrap would have worked, to be fair)
[20:55] <mwhudson> ahasenack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602338/
[20:55] <ahasenack> cool!
[20:55] <ahasenack> I haven't gotten that far yet with canonistack
[20:55] <ahasenack> mwhudson: so you were using juju before with armhf, right?
[20:56] <ahasenack> pyjuju I mean
[20:56] <mwhudson> yeah
[20:56] <ahasenack> jcastro: ^^^ pastebin, a sample of sync-tools working after exporting aws creds
[20:56] <mwhudson> but i didn't get it quite working either
[20:56] <ahasenack> mwhudson: ok, I don't know if this will work with arm, I'm thinking "mongodb on arm...?"
[20:56] <mwhudson> i got it bootstrapped
[20:57] <mwhudson> this time
[20:57] <mwhudson> bootstrap completed quickly
[20:57] <mwhudson> and status is now just hanging
[20:58] <ahasenack> bootstrap is more like a request
[20:58] <ahasenack> when it comes back, it doesn't mean it's done, just that the request was made
[20:58] <ahasenack> juju status hangs because the bootstrap isn't actually done yet
[20:58] <ahasenack> it could return saying that, I think, but it doesn't and there was an almost-flame-war on the mailing list about this once ;)
[20:59] <mwhudson> heh
[21:00] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ^^ see the pastebin for a possible answer for that question
[21:00] <mwhudson> i would be very surprised if this bootstrap ever succeeds
[21:00] <ahasenack> mwhudson: this is bootstrapping via maas, right?
[21:00] <mwhudson> yeah
[21:00] <marcoceppi> jcastro: excellent thanks
[21:00] <ahasenack> without having tools built for armhf :)
[21:00] <mwhudson> yes
[21:01] <ahasenack> yeah, you might need to ssh into that node to see what is going on, /var/log/juju
[21:01] <ahasenack> if it's up already
[21:01] <marcoceppi> jcastro: btw, merge request for icon.svg that I've sat on for a while is up: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/charm-tools/icon-template/+merge/161020
[21:01] <mwhudson> and if my juju-py experience is anything to go by, it will be asking maas for a amd64 node
[21:01] <mwhudson> which it doesn't have
[21:01] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ooh nice
[21:01] <mwhudson> ah well
[21:01] <mwhudson> a node is allocated
[21:02] <jcastro> m_3: or negronjl, got time to check out marco's mp?
[21:02] <negronjl> jcastro: give me a link and I'll check it out ...
[21:02] <mwhudson> so maybe juju-core doesn't have *that* problem
[21:02] <marcoceppi> negronjl: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/charm-tools/icon-template/+merge/161020
[21:02] <negronjl> marcoceppi, I'm on it
[21:02] <marcoceppi> negronjl: thanks!
[21:03] <negronjl> marcoceppi, 1313 lines!!!
[21:03] <marcoceppi> negronjl: Most of it is just template stuff!!
[21:03] <negronjl> marcoceppi, sigh ... I'll review it :/ ... j/k
[21:03] <marcoceppi> There's like 5 copies of the same SVG in it
[21:04] <mwhudson> ahasenack: part of the fun is that maas allocating a node is a netinstall
[21:04] <mwhudson> so it takes a while
[21:04] <ahasenack> :)
[21:04] <ahasenack> mwhudson: I'm eod, will peek back in in about 3h
[21:05] <mwhudson> ahasenack: thanks for the hints so far
[21:05] <ahasenack> good luck
[21:05] <mwhudson> ahasenack: is there a bug for this 'requires creds' thing?
[21:05] <marcoceppi> negronjl: if it makes it easier, the only thing that I added is in scripts/lib/proof.py
[21:06] <ahasenack> mwhudson: no, we were just talking about it here during the day
[21:06] <mwhudson> ok
[21:06] <negronjl> marcoceppi, I was j/k .. reiewing it now
[21:06] <marcoceppi> negronjl: Ah, thanks
[21:06] <ahasenack> mwhudson: it seems to be known by the developers, as it was in the release notes, but maybe the implication for sync-tools isn't
[21:10] <negronjl> marcoceppi, Approved and Merged.
[21:10] <jcastro> \o/
[21:10] <marcoceppi> negronjl: \o/ thanks!
[21:10] <negronjl> marcoceppi, np
[22:51] <dpb_`> Hi all -- someone have a clue what's going wrong with this lxc ubuntu deploy on top of raring? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602655/  looks like somehow python3 is being used?  But I don't see how, /usr/bin/python is showing 2.7, etc.
[22:52] <sarnold> dpb_`: hrm, I thought that had been fixed
[22:52] <sarnold> dpb_`: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju/+bug/1130809
[22:52] <_mup_> Bug #1130809: lxc scripts break when user has PYTHONPATH set <apparmor> <apport-crash> <i386> <raring> <juju:Incomplete> <juju (Ubuntu):Fix Released by gz> <lxc (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130809>


[00:00] <lwmar> after I upgraded to xubuntu 20 and tried to install qtorrent all the problems started
[00:01] <lwmar> I tried to install synaptic but I can't even do that!
[00:04] <well_laid_lawn> 'm not at my xubuntu boxx atm maybe someone else can paste the sources file
[00:05] <well_laid_lawn> the ubuntu wiki is way out of date
[00:05] <lwmar> Ahh ok, it is not me being such a bad user then! big relief, thanks
[00:06] <lwmar> does xubuntu have something like repair mode to install it over the current installation to fix problems?
[00:07] <well_laid_lawn> not as far as I know
[00:09] <lwmar> I can't understand what happened to my gui for software & updates
[00:10] <lwmar> does it have a different name under the new 20 version of xubuntu?
[00:12] <well_laid_lawn> I haven't looked at 20.04 yet but it should be in the menu
[00:16] <lwmar> here I don't see fossa: https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[00:17] <lwmar> where to find the packages for fossa?
[00:17] <lwmar> ohh it is called focal fossa, I am sorry
[03:57] <puff> So I upgraded to a new laptop, decided to try stock ubuntu GUI for a bit, just because... not overwhelmed.  Tried installing xubuntu-desktop and https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7tXXyn3Rtv/
[06:34] <TonyThuitai> How to change system language from English US to English UK in Xubuntu 20.04
[06:48] <jatt> !locale
[15:06] <xu-irc94w> Hi guys, i would like to understand how can i choose to boot from an usb on which i have installed Puppylinux. On my computer I have now Xubuntu and i couldn't understand how to do that. I think it should be easy one but still could not find the right info. Can anyone help?
[15:15] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, when you start the PC hit f9 if HP or f12 if Acer or esc if Asus and other keys for ohher models and pick your usb drive from the list.
[15:19] <xu-irc94w> diogenes_ let me try with f9..it's a compaq presario (HP i guess?)
[15:24] <xu-irc94w> it is the right key,  but the process gets blocked and it doesn't show the boot menu to choose from..
[15:26] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, then press f10 go to boot tab and disable secure boot.
[15:27] <xu-irc94w> ok
[15:28] <diogenes_> don't forget to save changes.
[15:30] <xu-irc94w> diogenes_ again blocked: F10...Bios setup options and nothing more
[15:30] <xu-irc94w> it freezes
[15:31] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, try it without the usb drive attached, hit f10 and you should see BIOS menu.
[15:31] <xu-irc94w> ok! thank you by the way ;-)
[15:32] <diogenes_> no problem
[15:43] <xu-irc94w> diogenes_ almost there..
[15:43] <xu-irc94w> there is no secure boot option
[15:44] <xu-irc94w> and it seems as in the boot options there is no usb enabled option
[15:44] <xu-irc94w> what i see is
[15:44] <xu-irc94w> in the boot options:
[15:45] <xu-irc94w> post. hotkey delay (sec) ---- 0
[15:45] <xu-irc94w> cd-rom boot  -------- (enabled)
[15:45] <xu-irc94w> floppy boot ------------ (enabled)
[15:45] <xu-irc94w> Internal network adapter
[15:46] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, maybe a screenshot with phone?
[15:49] <xu-irc94w> ok
[15:54] <xu-irc94w> I just draged and droped the photo here to upload but it didn't work ..how do you upload here?
[15:55] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, upload to imgur.com
[15:55] <diogenes_> and share the url.
[16:01] <xu-irc94w> https://imgur.com/a/1sWfUaC
[16:03] <xu-irc94w> diogenes_ What do u think?
[16:04] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, ok it's an old machine so tell me if you can access BIOS with f10 when the usb drive is attached?
[16:06] <xu-irc94w> no i can't
[16:06] <xu-irc94w> only without usb
[16:07] <xu-irc94w> maybe i should create a bootble cd with puppylinux and try to use it that way
[16:08] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, the problem might be with the usb drive, try to zero it out and write the iso again.
[16:09] <xu-irc94w> Humm..but it works with my other laptop which is newer than this presario
[16:10] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, it might be bootable in UEFI only then.
[16:11] <diogenes_> and this old machine has no UEFI.
[16:11] <xu-irc94w> got it
[16:11] <xu-irc94w> i guess is better than to use the cd
[16:12] <xu-irc94w> any other ideas?
[16:13] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, there might be a possibility to boot it right from your HDD.
[16:13] <xu-irc94w> ok, how?
[16:14] <diogenes_> boot into xubuntu first.
[16:14] <xu-irc94w> ok
[16:15] <xu-irc94w> done
[16:15] <diogenes_> insert the usb.
[16:16] <xu-irc94w> done
[16:16] <diogenes_> give me the download link to puppy iso that you downloaded.
[16:17] <xu-irc94w> http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-bionic/bionicpup64/
[16:20] <diogenes_> xu-irc94w, bionicpup64-8.0-uefi.iso?
[16:21] <xu-irc94w> yes
[16:21] <diogenes_> it says uefi there so it won't work on your machine.
[16:22] <xu-irc94w> ok
[16:23] <xu-irc94w> Thank you!! I will try it out with the cd
[16:24] <diogenes_> ok good luck.
[16:26] <xu-irc94w> have a nice evening! ;-)
[16:26] <diogenes_> thanks the same to you.
[18:43] <abtm_> quick question, I have just loaded xubuntu on my precision 7530 and everything seems to be working fine out of the box except..... my bluetooth headset seems to be locked to A2DP which means the built in mic is not functional
[18:44] <abtm_> help pls....
[18:48] <coconut> no clue abtm, and you might have more success on #ubuntu (more users)
[18:53] <n-iCe> hi
[20:42] <davidw_> nick davidw


[09:37] <gra> Ubuntu 13.04 is not recognising RAID 10 Hardware based hard disks, what is the problem?
[16:44] <phillw> hi bodhi_zazen :)


[11:54] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon all, can someone edit 19.04 out of the topic in #ubuntu please, thanks


[00:09] <UbuntuNoob> hi for some reason after i installed ubuntu my sound no longer works
[00:12] <zkriesse> UbuntuNoob: Ok did ya check out sound preferences?
[00:12] <aveilleux> !sound |UbuntuNoob
[00:12] <ubot2> UbuntuNoob: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[00:14] <UbuntuNoob> thanks some of my settings were wrong
[00:15] <zkriesse> :-)
[00:18] <aveilleux> No problem, UbuntuNoob
[01:30] <noderscore> hi i need some help please?
[01:31] <meindian523> !ask| noderscore
[01:31] <ubot2> noderscore: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily).   Is this possible/probable?  and how should I go about doing it?
[08:56] <duanedesign> morning all
[08:57] <seidos> morning duanedesign
[08:57] <duanedesign> seidos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1003466
[08:59] <seidos> duanedesign, thanks I'll give it a try
[09:01] <seidos> ah, damn it, jack server won't run
[09:08] <seidos> that's weird, audacity works but qjackctl doesn't
[09:28] <geirha> Hm. Seems the forums went down.
[09:28] <pedro3005> geirha, seems to work here
[09:29] <geirha> I get Database error
[09:30] <boywonder> hi can anyone help me out im bit off a newb?
[09:31] <boywonder> like hello?
[09:31] <serfus> boywonder, sure, pleas ask
[09:31] <serfus> *please
[09:31] <boywonder> ok thanks im trying to acces this file to edit it
[09:31] <boywonder> .../etc/ufw/before.rules
[09:32] <boywonder> only if i use gedit its telling my im not allowed
[09:32] <boywonder> so i sudo
[09:32] <boywonder> that didnt work yet
[09:33] <serfus> seems like you have to be root..
[09:33] <serfus> oh you did
[09:33] <serfus> well, how?
[09:33] <serfus> did you open nautilus as root?
[09:33] <boywonder> i thought root was /root
[09:34] <geirha> If you install nautilus-gksu, you can right-click and choose open as administrator
[09:34] <boywonder> whats nautilus?
[09:34] <geirha> The "explorer"
[09:34] <boywonder> oh there must be a way for me to acces this file manually
[09:34] <geirha> gksudo gedit /path/to/file
[09:35] <boywonder> i dont want to install any shit just know , i dont even know how!!
[09:35] <boywonder> what does that line mean or shall i look it up
[09:35] <boywonder> preferable the gkpart?
[09:35] <geirha> That'll run gedit /path/to/file  as root (the superuser/administrator)
[09:36] <boywonder> im told not to run as root
[09:36] <serfus> by who?
[09:36] <boywonder> lesson one
[09:36] <serfus> it's just temporary
[09:36] <boywonder> so i have to unroot
[09:36] <geirha> You should never log in as root, that's true. But the above command runs gedit and gedit only as the root user
[09:37] <geirha> That's the standard way of editing system configuration files.
[09:37] <serfus> boywonder, there are some tasks which requires root
[09:37] <boywonder> thats to another thing my account was created on install, i thinkin is that bad?
[09:38] <geirha> The user created when you installed have permissions to run programs as use by using sudo/gksudo
[09:39] <geirha> *run programs as root user
[09:39] <geirha> It'll ask you for your password when you run sudo/gksudo
[09:40] <boywonder> the friggin file was blank, im trying to stop echo request
[09:40] <boywonder> in ufw
[09:40] <geirha> Either its blank, or you've opened a non-existant file (in which case it creates an empty one)
[09:41] <boywonder> i ran a wrong directory i got it know
[09:46] <boywonder> hey thanks cool as
[09:51] <geirha> Have a look at the docs for your release of ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/
[09:52] <geirha> It explains common tasks, like installing software
[10:09] <Abhijeet> virus detected in my  laptop
[10:10] <Abhijeet> please help me to remove the recycler virus from my laptop which affected the ubuntu 10.04 os
[10:13] <geirha> What does it do?
[10:14] <geirha> !antivirus
[10:14] <ubot2> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[10:22] <Abhijeet> when i open the external drive such as the ubuntu dvd it shows shortcut to the folder names ubuntu
[10:25] <Abhijeet> and also the system drive shows 128 tera bite of data!!!!!!!!!!! please help me
[10:26] <geirha> Where does it say 128 terabyte exactly?
[10:27] <Abhijeet> when i open the my computer it shows thw different drives . when i open the properties tag of the drive where the ubuntu is installed
[10:38] <geirha> The one labeled "File system" ?
[10:38] <geirha> It shows the total of all mounted filesystems.
[10:44] <Abhijeet> yes it is but my hard disc is of 320 gb and i have installed win xp on same laptop as dualm boot
[10:48] <geirha> Have you any samba shares or similar mounted?
[10:50] <Abhijeet> no i dont  have installed the samba software
[10:52] <geirha> It's pre-installed. Whenever you enter a network share, it gets mounted, and I believe the space usage will be added to that total you saw.
[10:52] <Abhijeet> but my basic question is why the shortcut is showed in the dvd of ubuntu and alos in the repositary dvs of ubuntu after clicking the shortcut it shows all the content which was there
[10:53] <geirha> Not sure I follow what you mean by that one. Maybe take a screenshot?
[10:53] <geirha> !imagebin
[10:53] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[10:55] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:55] <duanedesign> hello geirha
[10:56] <geirha> Hi :)
[10:57] <geirha> I have a meeting in a few, bbl.
[10:57] <Abhijeet> im on different machine i will upload it later but please can u give the suggest me any antivirus built for ubuntu 10.04 amd64 version .
[11:01] <duanedesign> Abhijeet: ClamAV or Avast
[11:01] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install clamav
[11:02] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[11:03] <Abhijeet> thank u for the help i will try !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:27] <out-of-hand> hi, can comeone assist me, ? im trying to upgrade my ubuntu files. i know whith ubuntu 8.04 i could copy the repositorys onto a cd, and then just upgrade all my newly fresh repositorys on new installed ubuntu systems ... without internet access... how can i do this in ubuntu 10.04?
[16:29] <out-of-hand> its a offline upgrade correct ?
[16:32] <Silver_Fox_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Offline%20apt-get%20update
[17:34] <Smooth357> My wireless is disabled and I can not enable it.
[17:35] <Smooth357> hello is anybody home?
[17:49] <abhjeet> virus problem in ubuntu images attached for reference http://imagebin.org/111185 and http://imagebin.org/111186
[17:51] <abhjeet> my laptop encountered a virus problem please help me in this regard. The virus is same as the ' recycler' virus  which mostly affects the wndows systems
[18:17] <abhjeet> please help me  sone onne
[18:17] <abhjeet> sorry misspelt!!!!!!! it is ' please help me someone'
[22:32] <HoboSteaux> hey has anyone had a read-only removable hd partitioned with ext3?
[22:33] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: I don't understand the purpose of making such a partition read-only
[22:33] <HoboSteaux> i threw an 1.5tb hd in a case,formatted it plugged it back in and it was read only
[22:33] <HoboSteaux> i didnt intend that to happen and dont know how to change that
[22:34] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: It was probably mounted read-only. Is Ubuntu mounting it automatically?
[22:34] <HoboSteaux> yeah
[22:34] <HoboSteaux> but its happening on my router too, running ddwrt
[22:34] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: This is an external drive? Or rather, an internal drive placed into an external enclosure
[22:34] <HoboSteaux> internal in external
[22:35] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: I assume (since you're using dd-wrt) that you're familiar with Terminal
[22:36] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: Am I correct in my assumption?
[22:36] <geirha> By default, when you create an ext filesystem, it'll only be writable for root.
[22:37] <HoboSteaux> yeah aveilleux
[22:37] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: unmount the drive, then (but leave it plugged in)
[22:37] <HoboSteaux> alright
[22:38] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: Then can you cd /dev and ls sd* for me, then paste the output here?
[22:38] <HoboSteaux> its on the other side of town right now :S ill do that tho and see what i can get out of it
[22:39] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: Oh, can you not SSH into it?
[22:40] <HoboSteaux> no, ive been testing using this laptop, so its not connected to the router right now :S
[22:40] <HoboSteaux> otherwise yes (vpns ftw)
[22:41] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: Wait, you DO or DO NOT have the ability to mount and unmount this drive?
[22:41] <geirha> How do you determine it is read-only?
[22:41] <HoboSteaux> i culdnt do any operations on it, but i could see everything etc
[22:42] <HoboSteaux> bbiab, doctors apptmt to get rd of day 7 of a fever
[22:42] <aveilleux> HoboSteaux: In any case, what I was going to have you try was sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdX /media/usbdevice rw   Thus passing the "read-write" flag to the mounter
[22:43] <geirha> -o rw
[22:43] <aveilleux> geirha: Right, -o. I'm still in fstab mode.