[04:37] <axis^bbl> so konqueror automatically opens up folders in the main window
[04:37] <axis^bbl> Agrajag, : just open the folder
[04:37] <axis^bbl> edit-pref
[04:37] <Agrajag> oh, that's not what he asked though, he just wanted it to not close the parent folder
[04:37] <axis^bbl> oh it's still going to do that
[04:37] <jasoncohen> who doesn't ubuntu enable encryption for vino by default?
[04:37] <sn0n> Agrajag, its some silly ubuntu hack that i dont know how to change. its some sourcecode change, not a gui thing
[04:37] <axis^bbl> Agrajag, : that is what i'm talkin about
[04:37] <Agrajag> right, to change that you need to go into gconf-editor
[04:37] <nalioth> does ubuntu support bluetooth?
[04:37] <orborde> You are now looking at a man who has successfully configured his Ubuntu box to get on the internet through a proxy.
[04:38] <axis^bbl> although they were opening up new folders too which was a pain
[04:38] <Agrajag> sn0n: it's easy to change
[04:38] <sn0n> how ?
[04:38] <Agrajag> anyone who wants to know how to use spatial nautilus while not closing parent folders:
[04:38] <Agrajag> open a terminal, run "gconf-editor"
[04:38] <reka> orborde: congrats :)
[04:38] <axis^bbl> nice
[04:38] <Agrajag> go to /apps/nautilus/preferences
[04:38] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  !!!!
[04:39] <axis^bbl> you made it
[04:39] <Agrajag> find the checkbox next to "no_ubuntu_spatial"
[04:39] <sn0n> oo
[04:39] <sn0n> ok
[04:39] <sn0n> nice
[04:39] <Agrajag> check it, and close gconf-editor
[04:39] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: :)
[04:39] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  Hoora
[04:39] <axis^bbl> or in this case, Hoar-ah!
[04:39] <robotgeek> stupid wireless!
[04:39] <IIIEars> ubotu desktops is ""Ubuntu offers Gnome (default) "gnome-desktop"  or KDE "kubuntu-deskop" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE?highlight=%28kde%29, Here are some other choices. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ http://www.plig.org/xwinman/""
[04:39] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:39] <Agrajag> now the shift-click thing will be reversed, if you do want to close the parent hold shift when opening a folder
[04:39] <axis^bbl> Agrajag, : i'm following
[04:39] <Agrajag> so that's all you need to do
[04:39] <Antinomy> Ok, can anyone help me install apps so that I can see all the media I see in windows?
[04:40] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: i am at home though, still havent found a free shell
[04:40] <axis^bbl> Agrajag: leet man .. thx
[04:40] <Agrajag> just check that box and it will be done, you don't have to restart anything because gconf is awesome like that
[04:40] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: "applied" for a shell acount though
[04:40] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  i'll work on that tonight
[04:40] <nalioth> Antinomy: unfortunately, bill gates doesnt want you to see some wmv9 and 10 media
[04:40] <sn0n> Agrajag, thnx alot!!!!!
[04:40] <axis^bbl> robotgeek, ; yah that's what you'll have to do now
[04:40] <Antinomy> ok, how about mpg and real?
[04:40] <axis^bbl> robotgeek, : they used to be free, walk in go on irc.. but too many script kiddies ruined that
[04:40] <nalioth> Antinomy: but i can help you with all else
[04:40] <sn0n> Agrajag i read that that was a silly source code hack that couldnt be changed.. stupid google
[04:41] <nalioths_dog> Antinomy: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:41] <axis^bbl> Agrajag,  wikkid
[04:41] <Antinomy> ok man, you've been super helpful so far
[04:41] <robotgeek> robotgeek: i know, i was reading.
[04:41] <axis^bbl> hehe
[04:41] <sn0n> unixshell.com is cheap
[04:41] <sn0n> not free
[04:41] <sn0n> but cheap
[04:41] <axis^bbl> yo
[04:41] <axis^bbl> you say you're at home, you're running ubuntu there?!
[04:41] <IIIEars> sn0n - sounds good - nice tip
[04:41] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  Are you running ubuntu at home, and you can't use the computers at school?!
[04:42] <sn0n> its a VPS
[04:42] <sn0n> full root, bla bla bla
[04:42] <sn0n> and HELLA bandwidth for the price
[04:42] <robotgeek> robotgeek: actually on my laptop, the only machine i have.
[04:42] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  ohh ok .. :)
[04:43] <axis^bbl> robotgeek:  man.. go find a pentium 100mhz system out of the garbage .. and use that at home for irc
[04:43] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: not good, but all it means is i don't irc at school
[04:43] <sn0n> axis^bbl, LoL
[04:43] <axis^bbl> <:
[04:43] <axis^bbl> that's what i did
[04:43] <axis^bbl> i was like.. hey that looks like a pentium
[04:43] <axis^bbl> yoink
[04:43] <sn0n> hehehe
[04:43] <sn0n> remote X on it
[04:43] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: true, maybe a 386 would work...my prof offered me one.
[04:43] <sn0n> and its just fine
[04:43] <sn0n> ;-)
[04:43] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  386.. hmm.
[04:44] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  maybe freebsd or something, if you're savvy at terminal
[04:44] <axis^bbl> :)
[04:44] <axis^bbl> with* terminal
[04:44] <sn0n> hehe
[04:44] <robotgeek> robotgeek: yeah, i am on a term right now :)
[04:44] <axis^bbl> anybody have a really sweet guide to VM ?
[04:44] <sn0n> terminal is a way of life ;-)
[04:44] <axis^bbl> hehehe
[04:44] <sn0n> axis^bbl, define VM ?
[04:45] <axis^bbl> sorry
[04:45] <axis^bbl> my god typo .. VI
[04:45] <sn0n> hehehe
[04:45] <sn0n> vimtutor
[04:45] <sn0n> ?
[04:45] <axis^bbl> got vmware on my mind
[04:45] <axis^bbl> yah? that an ap
[04:45] <axis^bbl> aoo
[04:45] <sn0n> i believe so
[04:45] <axis^bbl> i can't type..  geez. i need to make some coffee.. brb
[04:45] <axis^bbl> sn0n,  sweet, i will def check it out
[04:45] <sn0n> yeah
[04:45] <sn0n> its there
[04:45] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: i spend half of my time reading vim manuals!
[04:46] <axis^bbl> i'm getting so sick of powerless text editors
[04:46] <sn0n> i like joe
[04:46] <sn0n> lol
[04:46] <sn0n> but im never stuck on a non-X enabled box.. so gedit works for me
[04:46] <axis^bbl> thats what i used on freebsd.. i've been using pico on ubuntu :X
[04:46] <sn0n> lol
[04:46] <ahvargas> axis^bbl:use emacs
[04:46] <sn0n> ewwww to emacs
[04:46] <sn0n> if i wanted a full blown OS text editor, id use windows
[04:46] <sn0n> ;-)
[04:46] <axis^bbl> i said eww emacs and scrunched up my nose before sn0n  even said that
[04:46] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: vimtutor is a good introduction
[04:47] <cyphase> anyone have any ideas for a good movie to rent?
[04:47] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  awesome
[04:47] <axis^bbl> what is emacs tho ..  gui vi?
[04:48] <sn0n> emacs is a OS that wraps a text editor
[04:48] <sn0n> lol
[04:48] <axis^bbl> axis^bbl i said eww emacs and scrunched up my nose before sn0n  even said that
[04:48] <nalioth> axis^bbl: hold your tongue! heh heh
[04:48] <axis^bbl> err
[04:48] <axis^bbl> i meant to say  remove "said eww"
[04:48] <nalioth> axis^bbl: emacs and vi have very ardent users
[04:48] <nalioth> they will fight to the death at any slight
[04:48] <sn0n> i say fuck em both, and use a good GUI editor  ;-)
[04:48] <axis^bbl> so i meant to say "i scrunched my nose when emacs was said"
[04:48] <axis^bbl> nalioth: lol
[04:49] <axis^bbl> nalioth, : will it be a good show like spock vs kirk?
[04:49] <axis^bbl> brbbrbr ahhhh brrr ahhhhhh
[04:49] <sn0n> nothings better then something i can use a mouse to get around on  ;-)
[04:49] <axis^bbl> brbrbrbr ahhhhh brbr ahhhhhh
[04:49] <axis^bbl> i like the shift-cursor too much
[04:49] <axis^bbl> i use the mouse when i'm lazy and surfing
[04:49] <traveller> is there an update source that will bring my packages to more recent versions?
[04:49] <robotgeek> lol
[04:49] <robotgeek> i would emacs if i had 4 hands, but i dont!
[04:50] <jasoncohen> traveller, what are you trying to upgrade?
[04:50] <axis^bbl> traveller: edit /etc/apt/sources.conf   uncomment everything, "apt-get update"
[04:50] <sn0n> lol robot
[04:50] <abarbaccia> hey- can someone help me get my rio carbon supported in ubuntu? ive heard it being done in breezy but nothin with hoary
[04:50] <traveller> jasoncohen: basically everything...firefox is only 1.0.2, gaim is only 1.1.4
[04:50] <axis^bbl> traveller, " apt-get install upgrade-dist
[04:50] <jasoncohen> axis^bbl, that won't allow him to upgrade. that'll just give him more repositories
[04:50] <jasoncohen> traveller, yeah, but you have a patched version of firefox up to 10.4 security updates and gaim is patched through 1.3.1
[04:51] <axis^bbl> jasoncohen, : apt-get upgrade-dist ?
[04:51] <jasoncohen> apt-get dist-upgrade actually is the command
[04:51] <axis^bbl> k
[04:51] <axis^bbl> thats how you updae, rite?
[04:51] <axis^bbl> i knew if i spit out some half info, someone would jump in to save him
[04:51] <axis^bbl> <:
[04:51] <jasoncohen> you shouldn't give people advise if you don't know what you're talking about. that command doesn't upgrade the distribution unless you change sources.list
[04:51] <traveller> jasoncohen: you mean gaim 1.1.4 is actually 1.3.1? and firefox is 1.0.4?
[04:52] <axis^bbl> jasoncohen, : advice? ok
[04:52] <_frank> traveller: as far as security goes, yeah
[04:52] <jasoncohen> traveller, no- it's 1.1.4 with security patches from later versions and 1.0.2 with security patches from later versions
[04:52] <axis^bbl> i was just .. adding vice
[04:52] <traveller> jasoncohen: hm...ok
[04:52] <sn0n> wait.. what gets me the new firefox and gaim ?
[04:52] <sn0n> apt-get install upgrade-dist
[04:52] <jasoncohen> axis^bbl, and no one should be upgrading to breezy yet. it's broken. xorg doesn't work
[04:52] <sn0n> ?
[04:52] <sn0n> im on hoary
[04:52] <sn0n> and have everythign updated
[04:52] <_frank> traveller you can get updated versions of programs through backports
[04:52] <sn0n> and gaim is still old as shit
[04:52] <axis^bbl> hehe
[04:52] <sn0n> and firefox is like 1.0.2
[04:52] <jasoncohen> traveller, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/errorreferencefolder_view
[04:52] <traveller> _frank: is that a good thing to do?
[04:52] <tritium> sn0n, with 1.0.4 security patches
[04:52] <tritium> !firefox
[04:52] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[04:53] <sn0n> oo
[04:53] <sn0n> ok ;-)
[04:53] <axis^bbl> i want to get/make a plugin for gaim.. "what i'm listening too .."
[04:53] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: gaim-xmms exists, and works :)
[04:53] <jasoncohen> that's not true about warty- only about hoary
[04:53] <sn0n> axis^bbl, there is a perl framework i think. gaim.sf.net
[04:53] <_frank> traveller: It's reasonably tested. The packages are made for ubuntu. But still you should only use if you need it
[04:53] <axis^bbl> robotgeek,  oh my
[04:53] <jasoncohen> warty didn't get security updates from 1.0.4
[04:53] <axis^bbl> [=
[04:54] <vladuz976> hi does anybody know if there is a japanese ubuntu channel?
[04:54] <ahvargas> does anyone knows about xdiv in ubuntu
[04:54] <traveller> _frank: ok, i'll have a look at what's inside, thanks
[04:54] <ahvargas> ?
[04:54] <Ka234> are their any repositories that have firefox/thunderbird 1.0.6?
[04:54] <gp_aaron|upstair> is there lighttpd in the repo
[04:55] <nalioth> vladuz976: #ubuntu-jp
[04:55] <jasoncohen> Ka234, not yet, if you really need it you can just install it from mozilla's site
[04:55] <nalioth> Ka234: those are VERY new
[04:55] <jasoncohen> it's easy to install
[04:55] <jasoncohen> 1.0.6 came out today
[04:55] <vladuz976> nalioth: i don't think that exists. just tried
[04:55] <Ka234> thank you
[04:55] <nalioth> vladuz976: then no, there is not one
[04:55] <robotgeek> Ka234: 1.0.6 is not released yet!
[04:55] <jasoncohen> yes it is
[04:56] <_frank> its just much better to always use .deb packages when possible though
[04:56] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, lol - i'm running 1.0.6!!
[04:56] <axis^bbl> gandharvas
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Ka234, wait until 1.0.6 is backported to hoary-backports or wait for the fixes from 1.0.5 to be backported to 1.0.2 in hoary-security
[04:56] <robotgeek> i dint know 1.0.6 was out.sorry
[04:56] <Ka234> ok
[04:57] <nalioth> robotgeek: yes, its smokin hot new
[04:57] <robotgeek> :)
[04:57] <axis^bbl> mmm  ;.. xmms
[05:00] <vladuz976> does anybody know how long it will take for 1.0.6 to come to backports
[05:00] <sn0n> 19273 days
[05:00] <axis^bbl> hehe
[05:00] <Antinomy> can anyone help me with a sunbird install?
[05:00] <enum> anyone use atiixp sound drivers?
[05:01] <axis^bbl> 26hr, 4 mins 28 seconds 21 nanoseconds remain
[05:01] <sn0n> Antinomy, i belive it comes with a linux precompiled self installer
[05:01] <nalioth> Antinomy: iirc, sunbird requires compiling
[05:01] <enum> I seem to get sound on gnome loading.. but not while in the desktop session
[05:01] <nalioth> bah
[05:01] <[4dm|n___] > guy's how to mount flash disk
[05:01] <sn0n> [4dm|n___] , plug it in  :-p
[05:01] <Antinomy> I know. I have the feel for Syn, so now I wanted to try a self install.
[05:01] <[4dm|n___] > and
[05:01] <nalioth_zZz> Antinomy: you can find me tomorrow
[05:01] <[4dm|n___] > plug and ?
[05:01] <sn0n> ubuntu and gnome auto mounts
[05:02] <Antinomy> naliothgood night, chief, and thanks again!
[05:02] <axis^bbl> anyone know if 6.1 works or video out ??
[05:02] <[4dm|n___] > it will be appear on my desktop ??
[05:02] <axis^bbl> [=
[05:02] <sn0n> otherwise sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda# /mountpoint
[05:02] <axis^bbl> 6.1 sound
[05:02] <sn0n> [4dm|n___] , it should, yeah
[05:02] <[4dm|n___] > ok
[05:02] <[4dm|n___] > i'll try
[05:02] <Internat> dev/hdb5       /mnt/fdrive     auto    rw,auto         0       0       <== that seem a valid entry for fstap to auto mount one of my drives?
[05:03] <Internat> fstab*
[05:03] <robotgeek> axis^bbl: :)
[05:03] <axis^bbl>               hahaha
[05:04] <Ka234> how do I upgrade the Linux kernel will that be on the backports?
[05:05] <tritium> Ka234, to which version?
[05:05] <Proteque_> Internat: not sure about the first auto.
[05:05] <Proteque_> Internat: I allways say what filesystem it is
[05:05] <sn0n> im not liking this vimtutor
[05:05] <sn0n> lol
[05:05] <sn0n> its annoying! ;-)
[05:05] <sn0n> i want my joe and gedit
[05:05] <sn0n> lol
[05:05] <Ka234> tritium, the latest
[05:06] <Proteque_> sn0n: vim <3
[05:06] <Will_> sn0n: best thing to do is remap your arrow keys to flash a 'Stop using me!' message
[05:06] <tritium> Ka234, you're best off building your own, then with kernel-package
[05:06] <Ka234> how do I do that?
[05:06] <dabaR>  hey
[05:07] <sn0n> whats undo in vi ?
[05:07] <Will_> sn0n: +you will find vi, or vim on every linux and unix like computer _evar_
[05:07] <Will_> u
[05:07] <sn0n> thnx
[05:07] <robotgeek> sn0n: vim rocks!
[05:07] <sn0n> Will_, i know, but i'll also find pico, nano, or joe also  ;-)
[05:07] <daba1> so, you really think Ubuntu is the best distro out there right now to be #1 on all distrowatch boards? Even better than Debian?
[05:08] <sn0n> i like simple editors, vi is just complicated.. LoL
[05:08] <Will_> sn0n: Not on a lot of systems.
[05:08] <sn0n> daba1, Ubuntu is debian you oaf
[05:08] <daba1> bah
[05:08] <daba1> dont talk to me like that #1.
[05:08] <sn0n> well.. you asked..
[05:08] <robotgeek> vi is the *roxors*!
[05:08] <daba1> but, it is not, I mean,t ehre is debian, and tehre is ubuntu, neither ubuntu ppl nor debian ppl would agree with you on that.
[05:08] <daba1> I asked, I didnt not say call me an oaf.
[05:09] <sn0n> and distrowatch dont rate distros, it rates POPULARITY  ;-)
[05:09] <tritium> Ka234, see the KernelHowto linked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[05:09] <robotgeek> sn0n: and only number of hits
[05:09] <daba1> sn0n: now that is a reason I can accept, thank you.
[05:09] <Ka234> ok thanks tritium!
[05:09] <sn0n> daba1, actually... debain AND ubuntu.. are the same.. so buggers off
[05:09] <Kris_work> hello, while I was at work today after a huge fight with my wife, a large portion of the files on my web server mysteriously vanished. Does anyone know if ubuntu logs things like files being deleted? :-/
[05:09] <daba1> dont be like that, go read the ubuntu code of conduct.
[05:09] <sn0n> Will_, you callin me a troll?  ;-)
[05:10] <Will_> I say nothing
[05:10] <tritium> sn0n, please mind the Code of Conduct
[05:10] <sn0n> bla
[05:10] <sn0n> lol
[05:10] <sn0n> there is a code of conduct ?
[05:10] <dbernar1> no, thanks for the answer, just be nicer, so...
[05:10] <sn0n> :: unzips ::
[05:10] <sn0n> :: aims ::
[05:10] <tritium> sn0n, yes
[05:10] <sn0n> lol
[05:11] <sn0n> i do follow some general guidelines in life, but i dont like independant rules.. ;-)
[05:11] <dbernar1> If you care: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct .
[05:11] <ivan_qk> i finished to install ubuntu, anybody can help me about how i can upgrade openofiice to 2.0 version?
[05:11] <desrt> is there a way that i can give apt a .deb file and tell it to install it properly with all its dependancies?
[05:11] <tritium> sn0n, we all have rules we have to live with
[05:11] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: is it in apt?
[05:11] <desrt> ie: instead of tossing it to dpkg -i and screwing up my system...
[05:11] <sn0n> tritium, now always. ;-)
[05:11] <ivan_qk> yes
[05:12] <ivan_qk> i did this
[05:12] <Kris_work> I'll take that as a no :-/
[05:12] <_frank> desrt: dpkg -i wont screw up. It will tell you what you need
[05:12] <ivan_qk> sudo apt-get install openofiice.org
[05:12] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: open synaptic, to start.
[05:12] <desrt> _frank; right.  any way to get those things installed automatically?
[05:12] <ivan_qk> and show me message with "openoffice is already up to version"
[05:12] <Will_> Kris_work: Not that I know of. Maybe ask your wife?
[05:13] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: then once in synaptic, use the search to search for openoffice
[05:13] <Kris_work>  she denies it of course, that's why I'm trying to figure out of it was her who did it
[05:13] <_frank> desrt: I'm not sure how to do it when you start from a .deb file
[05:13] <desrt> _frank; me neither :/
[05:13] <dbernar1> Kris_work: :-/ ....
[05:13] <sn0n> yeah, id prolly have to ask my girlfriend.. LoL
[05:13] <Kris_work> and if it wasn't, which of the handful of people who had access
[05:13] <Will_> Kris_work: samba? that has logs
[05:13] <dbernar1> I mean, it sure is strange given the circumstances
[05:13] <sn0n> thats what happened last time my treasure trove of porn went *poof*
[05:13] <Kris> she's the only one who has motive
[05:13] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: openoffice.org2 is the package.
[05:13] <ivan_qk> ahhh
[05:13] <robotgeek> sn0n: i always chmod -x my porn!
[05:14] <sn0n> LoL
[05:14] <ivan_qk> ok
[05:14] <Kris> this is more like several months of 3d modeling work that she's very jealous of
[05:14] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: so, synaptic helps with searches like that.
[05:14] <ivan_qk> let me do that
[05:14] <sn0n> i've learned to remote X it, and store it on a offsite server
[05:14] <sn0n> ;-)
[05:14] <dbernar1> sure
[05:14] <Kris> anyway
[05:14] <Kris> looking through samba logs now
[05:14] <dbernar1> kris, does she have root access?
[05:14] <tritium> ivan_qk, so does apt-cache search
[05:14] <Kris> does vftpd have a log somewhere?
[05:14] <Kris> dbernar1 she doesn't know how to ssh in
[05:14] <tritium> Kris, look under /var/log
[05:15] <dbernar1> so, she can not at all even access then?
[05:15] <Kris> but samba does have root access because the only people that use it are myself and my wife :-/
[05:15] <ivan_qk> lol sorry, i dunno understand very much
[05:15] <dbernar1> aha, ya, ok, well, look into it. I dont think there is undelete in Linux.:(
[05:15] <ivan_qk> command are very dificult to me yet
[05:15] <Kris> ok the samba logs only show errors
[05:15] <dbernar1> sorry to hear that, it is a good lesson to learn, tho...altho backup lessons are everywhere...
[05:16] <Kris> not successful commands :-/
[05:16] <Kris> indeed
[05:16] <Kris> also the design doc for the game I'm working on was in there too :(
[05:16] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: they made almost everything GUI in Ubuntu, I think.
[05:16] <Kris> I'd link you to the web site but that's gone now
[05:16] <dbernar1> aw, man, thats so sad...
[05:16] <Will_> That's hard.
[05:17] <Will_> It's 4am. I'm thinking of going for a run
[05:17] <Kris> yeah no one has used ftp in the last three days
[05:17] <ivan_qk> synaptic dont let me to select openoffice.org2 to install it
[05:17] <ivan_qk> :s
[05:17] <Kris> and no one has shell access except me
[05:17] <Kris> so it had to be samba
[05:17] <Kris> grrrrr
[05:17] <Kris> well I guess that's my answer
[05:17] <Kris> she says maybe there's a virus
[05:17] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: what does it say?
[05:17] <Kris> yeah right
[05:18] <_frank> ivan_qk: is there an errot message
[05:18] <Kris> anway, thanks for help finding the logs
[05:18] <dbernar1> ya, I guess...
[05:18] <Kris> farewell!
[05:18] <ivan_qk> ya ok
[05:18] <dbernar1> see ya.
[05:18] <sn0n> Kris, they allways say that
[05:18] <ivan_qk> i do that in console
[05:18] <Madpilot> a virus? on a linux machine? heh...
[05:18] <Kris> now to look up whether ubuntu can get viruses...
[05:18] <sn0n> Kris, LoL
[05:18] <ivan_qk> with command that u give me
[05:18] <ivan_qk> so, going to download 88 MB
[05:18] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: tell us the error message first.
[05:18] <dbernar1> oh, it works command line?
[05:18] <Madpilot> I think he had a virus called "angry wife", myself...
[05:19] <ivan_qk> nothing error, just dont let me select box
[05:19] <dbernar1> ya, too bad, tho, I mean, months of work...
[05:19] <dbernar1> ivan_qk: ok, cool, so you downloading now?
[05:19] <ivan_qk> yes
[05:19] <dbernar1> good, that should be it.
[05:19] <TecnoVM64> hello, i wonder if anybody knows how to make a sis 7012 sound card work?
[05:19] <ivan_qk> u think
[05:20] <ivan_qk> this is my first linux distro
[05:20] <TecnoVM64> its the only problem i have with ubuntu
[05:20] <Madpilot> does OOo2 install on top of 1.x, or is it a complete second install?
[05:20] <tritium> Madpilot, you can have both
[05:20] <Madpilot> tritium: and they'll show up as seperate programs? cool. I like what I've seen of OO2
[05:20] <tritium> Madpilot, yes
[05:21] <Madpilot> !sound
[05:21] <ubotu> sound is probably http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[05:21] <dbernar1> TecnoVM64: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary?highlight=%28sound%29 ,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems?highlight=%28sound%29 as well
[05:21] <Madpilot> TecnoVM64: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[05:21] <dbernar1> the second one is done by the expert, I think:)
[05:22] <Chandon> So... Just got a new laptop. Apparently support for it's sound card requires ALSA 1.09 ; Additionally, I'd like my Intel 2915 wireless card to work. Is there any way to do this without resorting to a custom kernel/ALSA build?
[05:22] <robotgeek> Chandon: :(
[05:23] <dbernar1> maybe, Chandon, check out the URLs above, to see if that helps.
[05:23] <tritium> Chandon, you can likely avoid the kernel build, but some have had to build newer alsa modules.
[05:23] <robotgeek> Chandon: you can just build the alsa modules and overwrite the ones u have
[05:24] <Chandon> tritium, Is it possible to build new alsa modules with just packaged kernel headers?
[05:24] <tritium> Chandon, exactly (and alsa-source as well)
[05:24] <TecnoVM64> ubotu, dbernar1, Madpilot, thanks, im going to try it now
[05:24] <ubotu> TecnoVM64: Are you smoking crack?
[05:25] <dbernar1> ok
[05:25] <TecnoVM64> O.o
[05:25] <dbernar1> he is a bot
[05:25] <TecnoVM64> hehe lol sorry then
[05:25] <funkyHat> HAHAHAA
[05:25] <dbernar1> thats fine...
[05:25] <robotgeek> :))
[05:25] <dbernar1> many dont get it right away.
[05:26] <dbernar1> while we are at bots, I just joined #debian, and dpkg is not there?!
[05:26] <Madpilot> TecnoVM64: uBOTu can't help itself... ;)
[05:26] <funkyHat> ubotu, i think it's you that's smoking crack
[05:26] <ubotu> funkyHat: Are you smoking crack?
[05:26] <dbernar1> he wants some, I think.
[05:26] <funkyHat> yes ubotu, want some?
[05:27] <Madpilot> my favourite ubotu trick:
[05:27] <Madpilot> !start a language war
[05:27] <ubotu> Ruby is better than C++!
[05:27] <funkyHat> :D
[05:27] <TecnoVM64> hahah
[05:27] <robotgeek> !vi
[05:27] <ubotu> robotgeek: Are you smoking crack?
[05:27] <funkyHat> :D:D:D
[05:27] <daniels> no language flamewars here, please
[05:27] <daniels> oh great, a bot doing that
[05:27] <daniels> please don't play with the bot
[05:27] <Madpilot> daniels: but ubotu started it! honest!
[05:27] <robotgeek> daniels: :)
[05:28] <dbernar1> daniels, do you know where dpkg is?
[05:28] <dbernar1> is it something exciting, or just maintenance?
[05:29] <daniels> dbernar1: i had no idea it was even in this channel
[05:30] <SirPenguinTheDuc> hi guys....i have a super quick questions
[05:30] <Mobus> #xmms
[05:30] <dbernar1> no, it is now.
[05:30] <dbernar1> it is not, sorry.
[05:31] <tritium> SirPenguinTheDuc, go ahead and ask :)
[05:31] <SirPenguinTheDuc> um.....will this run on an intel 486?
[05:31] <dbernar1> it was not that quick.
[05:31] <tritium> yep
[05:31] <dbernar1> :)
[05:31] <dbernar1> the answer was...
[05:31] <SirPenguinTheDuc> jus checkin
[05:31] <Madpilot> I think someone should program "start an editor war" into ubotu, that'll really get people excited... <evil grin>
[05:32] <dbernar1> ya, my editor is better than yours, very exciting:)
[05:32] <robotgeek> are there logs of this channel maintained somewhere
[05:32] <robotgeek> dbernar1: it is!
[05:32] <tritium> yes, robotgeek
[05:32] <Madpilot> Linux people seem to take their editors very seriously, I've noticed...
[05:33] <dbernar1> Madpilot: ya, I notice linux attracts many opinionated people, also very stubborn, and narrow minded.
[05:33] <robotgeek> yeah, i now use my vim on windows, and even in microsoft word!
[05:33] <robotgeek> tritium: where, though>
[05:33] <dbernar1> maybe cause of the freedom thing.
[05:34] <dbernar1> !seen ubuntulog
[05:34] <ubotu> dbernar1: i haven't seen 'ubuntulog'
[05:34] <dbernar1> well, I see him right here.
[05:34] <Mobus> Ok I habe a little problem with my GLIB, can anyone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/685
[05:35] <dbernar1> my links dont work in epiphany.
[05:35] <dbernar1> I know how to fix it I think tho.
[05:35] <dbernar1> ha, Im good.
[05:35] <tritium> robotgeek, one of the devs keeps the logs.
[05:35] <dbernar1> Mobus: compiling it?
[05:36] <Mobus> I'm configuring for a compile, thats what that error was from yes
[05:36] <Mobus> for xmms
[05:37] <robotgeek> tritium: i was planning to wrtie another bot, which learns the common questions ppl ask and reply when it's sure, i tht the logs might be a good place to start
[05:37] <dbernar1> so you are compiling glib
[05:37] <Mobus> no
[05:37] <dbernar1> is that exactly what it is called? is it in apt?
[05:37] <Mobus> reworx that please
[05:37] <Madpilot> robotgeek: an auto-answering bot might get swamped in a channel like this
[05:37] <Mobus> reword*
[05:38] <tritium> robotgeek, I'm not sure if I should be advertising the log location publicly.  I'd have to ask first.
[05:38] <Mobus> with less pronouns
[05:38] <dbernar1> what is the package you are compiling called, is there a binary version in any of the repositories.
[05:38] <drcode> hi all
[05:38] <jago25_98> How do I put this computer into sleep mode?
[05:38] <Mobus> the package I am compiling is xmms-1.2.10
[05:39] <dbernar1> ok.
[05:39] <Mobus> I already compiled glib-1.2.2
[05:39] <dbernar1> jago25_98: does log out>sleep work?
[05:39] <robotgeek> tritium: that okay, it's for a project which i would be starting abt 2 months down the line
[05:39] <tritium> robotgeek, ok, I'll find out for you
[05:39] <robotgeek> Madpilot: "intelligence"
[05:39] <robotgeek> tritium: thanks
[05:39] <jago25_98> dbernar1: nope, looks like not in kde
[05:40] <eyequeue> ii  xmms           1.2.10+cvs2005
[05:40] <tritium> jago25_98, you may have to uncomment line 2 of /etc/default/acpi-support (ACPI_SLEEP=true)
[05:41] <vader> hey there tritium
[05:41] <eyequeue> Filename: pool/main/x/xmms/xmms_1.2.10+cvs20050209-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:41] <eyequeue> Filename: pool/main/x/xmms/xmms_1.2.10-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:41] <dbernar1> nice.
[05:41] <eyequeue> Mobus:  why not just sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:42] <tritium> hi vader
[05:42] <Mobus> it says it can't find xmms package
[05:42] <vader> vader= kevin dude
[05:42] <Mobus> but IO'll try it again
[05:43] <Mobus> root@Mobus:/home/mobus/xmms-1.2.10 # sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:43] <Mobus> Reading package lists... Done
[05:43] <Mobus> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:43] <Mobus> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:43] <Mobus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:43] <Mobus> is only available from another source
[05:43] <Mobus> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[05:43] <IIIEars> !pastebin
[05:43] <ubotu> pastebin is probably at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[05:43] <tritium> Mobus, please don't paste in the channel.  Use pastebin or #flood
[05:43] <eyequeue> Mobus:  see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/sound/xmms
[05:43] <Mobus> sry
[05:43] <tritium> vader, do I know you?
[05:43] <vader> yes, I am usually here as kevin
[05:44] <tritium> okay, nice to see you, kevin :)
[05:44] <vader> ;)
[05:44] <dbernar1> Mobus: xmms=very standard.
[05:44] <robotgeek> dbernar1: xmms keeps skipping :(
[05:44] <eyequeue> Mobus:  it is in main, so needs no aditional repositories even
[05:44] <robotgeek> dbernar1: i use vlc :)
[05:45] <synd> how can i get rid of the window around terminal?
[05:45] <synd> to give the "integrated into the desktop" look
[05:45] <eyequeue> synd:  alt-ctrl-f2
[05:45] <aru> View > Full Screen?
[05:45] <synd> eyequeue: same to get it back?
[05:45] <eyequeue> synd:  alt-ctrl-f7
[05:46] <dbernar1> hehe, not exactly what he means, prolly, but his question is a little undefined.
[05:46] <aru> I just have one fullscreen on my second desktop, incase I need to break stuff
[05:46] <aru> he clicked the close button
[05:47] <vader> tomorrow morning I will probly be here, going to need help moding my menu lists
[05:47] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody here use a rio mp3 player?
[05:47] <vader> lol
[05:47] <IIIEars> Can you add transparency to the terminal?
[05:48] <synd> IIIEars, yes
[05:48] <IIIEars> Really? - co-ol!
[05:48] <dbernar1> but only for the desktop, windows under it wont be shown in gnome.
[05:48] <synd> synd, but its a false transparency
[05:48] <rommer> how can i run a command automatically when the computer boots?
[05:48] <IIIEars> similar to x-chat - yes?
[05:48] <synd> IIIEars*
[05:48] <synd> yes
[05:48] <teferi> IIIEars: yeah, it'll show you your desktop background, but not any intervening windows
[05:49] <teferi> it's the same terminal widget - zvt
[05:49] <IIIEars> Is it easy to do?
[05:49] <wenzhuo> it seems to me that the index files of hoary-security/universe and hoary/universe are broken.
[05:49] <funkyHat> no, you can add a crappy background 'transparency', i'm afraid that's as good as it gets on X ;)
[05:49] <teferi> yeah, that's what we're talking about
[05:49] <Chandon> Doing this the hard way is going to be easier. What are the gotchas for building a custom kernel on Ubuntu?
[05:49] <Mobus> ok that didn't work
[05:49] <wenzhuo> anybody here experiences the same problem?
[05:49] <funkyHat> i know :D
[05:49] <teferi> one day, we'll finally have fast RENDER performance
[05:49] <IIIEars> links, pointers, tips?
[05:49] <teferi> ...and one day, pigs will fly and we'll all cavort about on the big rock candy mountain
[05:50] <synd> so how does one rid the window around terminal
[05:50] <teferi> IIIEars: for gnome-terminal?
[05:50] <funkyHat> one windows feature i miss, alpha
[05:50] <aru> synd: View > Fullscreen?
[05:50] <tritium> Chandon, you don't want to just build alsa modules?
[05:50] <teferi> edit->current profile->effects
[05:50] <IIIEars> yes please, - adding transparency sounds pretty good. :0
[05:50] <wenzhuo> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format   Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages
[05:50] <synd> aru: i dont want it fullscreen.
[05:50] <IIIEars> :)
[05:50] <teferi> funkyHat: well, whatshisface is rewriting the X acceleration architecture to make RENDER fast, isn't he?
[05:50] <funkyHat> who what?
[05:51] <funkyHat> ok, sounds goood
[05:51] <synd> so how does one rid the window around terminal. anyone?
[05:51] <Madpilot> IIIEars: in Terminal, Edit-Current Profile then Effects tab
[05:51] <funkyHat> um, you can do it synd i know.....
[05:51] <synd> funkyHat: i know it can be done
[05:51] <synd> funkyHat: just not sure how
[05:51] <Chandon> tritium, There are a couple things I get out of a custom kernel like swsusp. That, and I'm having trouble figuring out how to build alsa modules that will work with the stock kernel.
[05:52] <rommer> how can i run a command automatically when the computer boots?
[05:52] <IIIEars> Madpilot - Thank You. - that was just too easy - grin
[05:52] <IIIEars> nice
[05:52] <Madpilot> IIIEars: np. looks a bit funny - OK, a lot funny - over another full-screen program, though...
[05:52] <wenzhuo> The package indexes of hoary-security/universe and hoary/universe are broken!
[05:52] <synd> rommer: in a console, you do sudo <command> -m
[05:52] <tritium> Chandon, you can enable suspend-to-ram in /etc/default/acpi-support (uncomment #SLEEP=true)
[05:52] <synd> rommer: iirc
[05:53] <aru> synd: wouldnt fullscreen work?
[05:53] <synd> aru: i dont want it fullscreen
[05:53] <aru> takes the window away
[05:53] <rommer> iirc?
[05:53] <synd> aru: yes, it does. and i knew that previously
[05:53] <Chandon> tritium, That'd be close, if it really works.
[05:54] <aru> synd: problem solved! :)
[05:54] <synd> aru: it actually just pushes the border outside of where you can see. its still there
[05:54] <tritium> Chandon, ymmv, but it works brilliantly for me
[05:54] <synd> rommer: if i remember correctly
[05:54] <Chandon> tritium, That still leaves me with the problem of getting ALSA 1.09 kernel modules working with my ubuntu-2.6.10 kernel.
[05:54] <synd> aru: no, my problem is not solved.
[05:55] <aru> weird
[05:55] <synd> aru: correct
[05:55] <Mobus> ok does sudo apt-get install xmms work for anyone else?
[05:55] <synd> anyone know?
[05:55] <tritium> Chandon, yes, not the most fun
[05:55] <wenzhuo> can anybody here verify if the package indexes are ok?
[05:55] <synd> Mobus: if you have the correct repositories, it should
[05:55] <IIIEars> hmm - also an app called "alltray" - Worth trying?
[05:55] <aru> View > Fullscreen works here :)
[05:55] <Mobus> repositories?
[05:55] <tritium> Mobus, it's in main, so it should work for everyone
[05:56] <Mobus> but it didn't work for me
[05:56] <Kris> ok I'm back with another question
[05:56] <synd> aru: you are missing something i made clear. i dont want fullscreen terminal.
[05:56] <Kris> are there any undelete programs out there for linux?
[05:56] <synd> undelete programs?
[05:56] <tritium> Mobus, did you update your list of packages first (i.e. sudo apt-get update)?
[05:56] <Kris> any kind of file recovery stuffs
[05:56] <aru> interesting
[05:56] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, i'm looking for someone that knows how to make nautilus scripts to help me make a script that uploads images to imageshack such as this tool http://reg.imageshack.us/content.php?page=quickload
[05:56] <Mobus> no not yet... I'll do that
[05:57] <tritium> Kris, "apt-cache search undelete"
[05:57] <Chandon> tritium, When I do give in and build a custom kernel, what's going to go horribly wrong?
[05:57] <Mobus> did it... same error
[05:57] <Kris> ok, will that let me undelete things that were maliciously deleted by my wife via samba earlier today? :-/
[05:57] <synd> aru: you're bugging me
[05:57] <aru> ok
[05:57] <tritium> Chandon, not sure how to answer that.  I'd suggest using kernel-package if you decide to build your own kernel.
[05:57] <IIIEars> synd - take a peek at "alltray" - quite a few powerful options. - haven't tried it just saw it a min ago.
[05:58] <Mobus> ok I updated my package list, and it didn't wokr
[05:58] <robotgeek> Chandon: you can build the kernel module, but not install them
[05:58] <synd> IIIEars: ah, nice. will do. thanks!
[05:58] <IIIEars> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38938 alltray
[05:58] <thechitowncubs> did anyone look at that link?
[05:59] <Chandon> robotgeek, I'm stuck on "error: your kernel has built in ALSA" when I try to ./configure
[06:00] <tritium> Chandon, crimsun is the man to talk to.  He's the resident alsa expert
[06:00] <robotgeek> Chandon: oops, they din't build alsa as a module
[06:00] <Chinman> how to input chinese in ubuntu?
[06:00] <robotgeek> Chandon: Chandon, most likely u need to custom kernel compile
[06:01] <Chandon> So... I guess the question is: does kernel-package work any differently on Ubuntu than on Debian?
[06:01] <tritium> Chandon, pretty much the same.
[06:01] <desrt> you don't need to do that
[06:01] <robotgeek> Chandon: i would't think so, though i havent rebuilt my kernel on ubuntu
[06:01] <desrt> you can use the alsa-source
[06:01] <tritium> he doesn't want to
[06:01] <desrt> ah
[06:02] <Mobus> ok how do I get spt-get install xmms to work?
[06:02] <Chinman> apt-get -f install
[06:03] <reka> no
[06:03] <tritium> Mobus, what's happening when you try?
[06:03] <rommer> what is heartbeat?
[06:03] <reka> Mobus: what error are you getting?
[06:03] <robotgeek> rommer: powerbook?
[06:03] <hacked`> guys
[06:03] <rommer> no
[06:03] <hacked`> can i install any mini pci nic on my laptop ?
[06:03] <thechitowncubs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JapaneseInputHowto
[06:03] <hacked`> or are only "some" supported
[06:04] <desrt> some
[06:04] <thechitowncubs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JapaneseInputHowto
[06:04] <thechitowncubs> chinman click that
[06:04] <desrt> hacked`; search for "wireless" on the wiki for a list
[06:04] <hacked`> why some
[06:04] <hacked`> desrt, im talking about my laptop, not ubuntu
[06:04] <Mobus> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/686
[06:04] <dbernar1> hacked....
[06:04] <hacked`> can i go out and buy any mini pci wifi card for my laptop
[06:05] <robotgeek> rommer: what u toalking about?
[06:05] <Mobus> any ideas on how to solve that problem?
[06:05] <robotgeek> rommer: talking
[06:05] <desrt> hacked`; why are you  asking in here, then?
[06:05] <hacked`> cause i have 1 cheap laptop and 1 decent laptop, and the cheap laptop has the better wifi card, and i want to swap cards
[06:05] <dbernar1> Mobus: paste your sources.list to pastebin
[06:05] <hacked`> desrt, because the cheaper card is better supported by ubuntu
[06:05] <bimberi> hacked`: Information regarding support for various cards - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:05] <desrt> ah
[06:05] <rommer> robotgeek: sudo apt-cache search heartbeat
[06:05] <Mobus> wehre's my sources.list?
[06:05] <desrt> bimberi; cheers
[06:06] <desrt> Mobus; /etc/apt
[06:06] <Mobus> ok
[06:06] <dbernar1> rommer, asked synaptic?
[06:06] <tritium> rommer, don't need sudo with apt-cache :)
[06:06] <IIIEars> hacked - Give it a try. - ubuntu supports most wifi without any problems
[06:06] <desrt> Mobus; you can use synaptic to add/remove repositories
[06:06] <bimberi> desrt: np :)
[06:06] <rommer> tritium: yea, habit
[06:06] <robotgeek> rommer: sorry,no idea
[06:06] <Chinman> thechitowncubs: i mean chinese. anyway, i will have a look at that. thanks
[06:07] <tritium> rommer, cool :)
[06:07] <thechitowncubs> Chinman: it might work with chinese it says
[06:07] <IIIEars> hacked - if it worked with the live CD it will undoubtedly work with the HD install.  If it doesn't right off a little tweaking will make things right.
[06:07] <Mobus> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/687
[06:07] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, i'm looking for someone that knows how to make nautilus scripts to help me make a script that uploads images to imageshack such as this tool http://reg.imageshack.us/content.php?page=quickload
[06:07] <Mobus> sources.list ^
[06:08] <reka> Mobus: hehe. replace your sources.list with the one here :http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38, then 'sudo apt-get update'
[06:08] <robotgeek> thechitowncubs: nautilus has scripting?
[06:08] <thechitowncubs> uh ya
[06:08] <reka> Mobus: you only have the CD as your source of packages. :)
[06:08] <synd> IIIEars: whats was the name of that?
[06:09] <thechitowncubs> Chinman: http://www.ubuntu.org.cn/
[06:09] <glick> scuse me how do i get nvu
[06:09] <glick> it doesnt seem to be in any of the repositories
[06:09] <Mobus> ok now its giving me this BS that I'm not the owner
[06:09] <IIIEars> alltray? - yep, couldn't find it with synaptic only the link in ubuntu forums. (shrug)
[06:09] <helpmepls> hello how to disable MySQL password ??
[06:09] <desrt> Mobus; you need to be root to edit it
[06:09] <synd> IIIEars: got that forum link? i accidentally hit alt+f4 :/
[06:09] <reka> Mobus: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:09] <Mobus> Then why did ubuntu never give me a root account when I installed It?
[06:10] <funkyHat> glick, download the .package from nvu.com
[06:10] <helpmepls> hello
[06:10] <Mobus> I only have one account on the comp
[06:10] <reka> Mobus: b/c it's disabled by default
[06:10] <glick> funkyHat, damn :(
[06:10] <glick> funkyHat, is nvu even any good
[06:10] <glick> ?
[06:10] <reka> !tell Mobus about rootsudo
[06:10] <glick> is it worth getting?
[06:10] <funkyHat> glick, it's easy to do, trust me :)
[06:10] <glick> funkyHat, no i mean is the program decent?
[06:10] <helpmepls> hello how to disable MySQL password ??
[06:11] <desrt> helpmepls; repeating yourself is rude.  you might want to ask in a more appropriate channel
[06:11] <funkyHat> i don't really use it much, but it seems pretty good
[06:11] <helpmepls> can help me pls
[06:11] <hacked`> anyone ever set a wifi card to monitor mode before?
[06:11] <desrt> helpmepls; if nobody answers it's because nobody knows.  see if you can find the mysql irc channel
[06:11] <tzuqris> ok
[06:11] <tzuqris> sound is very important to me
[06:11] <desrt> helpmepls; someone there would probably know
[06:11] <Mobus> ok I changed sources.list
[06:11] <funkyHat> generates much much cleaner code than dreamweaver or frontpage too
[06:12] <Mobus> what the command for update now?
[06:12] <helpmepls> i was searching on google
[06:12] <tzuqris> if i can't get sound up in ubuntu i go back to slackware
[06:12] <helpmepls> but not found
[06:12] <Mobus> sudo apt-get update?
[06:12] <desrt> weird
[06:12] <desrt> i just typed /join #mysql
[06:12] <desrt> and there it was
[06:12] <desrt> ....
[06:12] <reka> Mobus: yes
[06:12] <helpmepls> k
[06:12] <desrt> good luck
[06:13] <Mobus> ok its updating
[06:14] <desrt> i hate when people have typos in their quit messages
[06:14] <reka> Mobus: also, you might want to install beep-media-player instead of xmms...it's prettier
[06:14] <desrt> you can't tell them about it and by the time they come back you never remember
[06:14] <Mobus> nah, I like winamp
[06:15] <desrt> skip that stuff
[06:15] <desrt> install muine :)
[06:15] <tzuqris> ok
[06:15] <tzuqris> then
[06:15] <tzuqris> i am now leaving ubuntu
[06:15] <glick> does anyone here use nvu or is there something better/easier?
[06:15] <reka> Mobus: it's an xmms clone
[06:15] <desrt> tzuqris; ciao.  see you later.
[06:15] <desrt> IIIEars; your quit message has a typo in it :)
[06:15] <funkyHat> glick, try it out anyway
[06:15] <tzuqris> you guys are great too
[06:15] <bimberi> :)
[06:15] <tzuqris> rather than help me...you say bye...
[06:15] <tzuqris> ok
[06:15] <desrt> tzuqris; we love ya :)
[06:15] <tzuqris> slackware is better anyway
[06:16] <Mobus> YAY!
[06:16] <dabar> tzuqris: what do you need?
[06:16] <funkyHat> good, bye then
[06:16] <tzuqris> nada
[06:16] <tzuqris> going back to slack
[06:16] <desrt> peace, d00d
[06:16] <dabar> ok, what did you need?
[06:16] <tzuqris> sound works fine
[06:16] <desrt> are you leaving or what?
[06:16] <tritium> ignore the troll
[06:16] <IIIEars> heh - Thanks for noticing it. - eye canned spell. - ispell corrects words but interferes with nick completion. - you guys are stuck with me. - lol
[06:16] <tzuqris> but i can't get anything but static
[06:16] <dabar> oh, trolling?
[06:16] <desrt> IIIEars; :)
[06:17] <dabar> tzuqris: well, there are entries in the wiki, and on the forums about sound...
[06:17] <dabar> search for sound.
[06:17] <glick> also, how can i convert big as images to jpegs?
[06:17] <glick> i mean to thumbnails
[06:17] <tritium> tzuqris, see the User Documentation in the topic.     Then, also, you should change a line in about:config to upgrade to 1.0.4
[06:24] <glick> damnit
[06:24] <funkyHat> it will download a 'package' installer and install that too
[06:24] <robotgeek> daba1: how do we i save the about:config change?
[06:24] <redtech> a ha sda1
[06:24] <concept10> glick, im going to try to install the auto package
[06:24] <glick> screw it ill write up the damn html by hand tomorrow, i just wanna post some pics of my guitar for sale on my website
[06:24] <dbernar1> robotgeek: it is saved, I think.
[06:24] <glick> dont feel like installing stray packages
[06:25] <orborde> dabal: How do I update through Synaptic?
[06:25] <concept10> have you heard of autopackage?
[06:25] <dbernar1> nvu is pretty standard, not stray.
[06:25] <robotgeek> dbernar1: i have to do it all the time
[06:25] <glick> dbernar1, then whys it not in the repos?
[06:25] <dbernar1> orborde: called the three button dance by Burgundavia, I think.
[06:25] <tzuqris> guys
[06:25] <tzuqris> really
[06:25] <desrt> sigh
[06:25] <tzuqris> i admire ubuntu, it's quite nice...it's made a top distro on my list and i have something to tell friends to try
[06:25] <desrt> tzuqris; thanks for trying out for my /ignore list.  you just qualified.
[06:25] <funkyHat> glick, it shows up in 'manage 3rd party software' and is easily removable
[06:26] <glick> funkyHat, ok so i have the package file
[06:26] <tzuqris> whatever
[06:26] <glick> so just make it executable and do sudo sh nvu.package?
[06:26] <mgcross> tzuqris is just frustrated..down boys
[06:26] <mgcross> and grrrls
[06:26] <tzuqris> mgcross: dun worry about it
[06:27] <funkyHat> glick, yep
[06:27] <tritium> please remember the Code of Conduct
[06:27] <glick> i cant wait till my horn comes
[06:27] <desrt> tritium; there's a code?
[06:27] <geneo91> what is xwrapper.config
[06:27] <tritium> desrt, yes...
[06:28] <desrt> got a url?
[06:28] <dbernar1> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:28] <tritium> thanks, dbernar1
[06:28] <dbernar1> why did I have to look thta up twice already?
[06:28] <dbernar1> Ubuntu is not alive here:)
[06:28] <Rotund> can someone help me get an airport card to work under ubuntu?
[06:29] <dbernar1> airport, thats it, not extreme?
[06:29] <Rotund> no
[06:29] <dbernar1> so, airport extreme?
[06:29] <Rotund> 802.11B  The 128-bit version.  Not the 64-bit.  Yes it is still an original airport.  I'm sure there were two.
[06:29] <nJess> i need assistance
[06:30] <redtech> i attached an external hd with a usb enclosure and succesfully mounted it.  I see that its a linux drive is there anything on the drive I can look at to identify the distro?  I dont remember what I was doing with this drive  LOL
[06:30] <glick> wow thats hot :)
[06:30] <dbernar1> nJess: cute.
[06:30] <dbernar1> redtech: /etc
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> redtech: check /etc
[06:31] <nJess> two things, one, how do i make an image of a CD?
[06:31] <geneo91> tritium what is wrapper.config
[06:31] <funkyHat> glick, autopackage? i was pretty impressed too
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> for any file called redhat or debian or whatever
[06:31] <glick> quite impressive actually
[06:31] <nJess> two, how do i set up my box to allow other machines to network boot off of it
[06:31] <linlin___> How do i set it so a command is run any time any user logs in?
[06:31] <tritium> geneo91, hmm?
[06:31] <glick> linux is grown up more and more every day
[06:32] <Rotund> the airport is NOT autodetected.  Though modprobing airport does bring up an eth1.  yes it works under osx.
[06:32] <redtech> debian_version
[06:32] <redtech> thanks!
[06:32] <glick> i know how to install shit from source, and compile my own software, but goddamnnit i shouldnt have to in this day and age!
[06:32] <geneo91> tritium:  its in the X11 folder
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> Rotund: if it works after that you can put airport in /etc/modules
[06:32] <funkyHat> heheheheh
[06:32] <redtech> now..  what the hell was I doing...   roflrofl
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> glick: exactly
[06:32] <rommer> how do u change the computer naem?
[06:32] <robotgeek> glick: since you are not in a gentoo forum, it's okay to say that!
[06:32] <Rotund> glick: GNU Source.  helps somewhat
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> rommer: it's in /etc/hostname
[06:33] <orborde> How do I get Synaptic to operate through a proxy?
[06:33] <rommer> ok tyhanks
[06:33] <nJess> Question: how do i run thin clients off of ubuntu?
[06:34] <tritium> geneo91, the best answer is "man Xwrapper.config"
[06:35] <derekgiles> hi all
[06:35] <derekgiles> ne one here?
[06:35] <desrt> hello.
[06:35] <dbernar1> orborde: do you need to? there is an option, I am sure in the menus...
[06:35] <IIIEars> nJess - this covers it. - not one click simple but not very difficult. http://www.ltsp.org/
[06:36] <funkyHat> hmm... it's 5:40am... i think i should go to bed
[06:36] <redtech> now here is a question that I have been meaning to ask..    Do you need todo anything special in *nix ?
[06:36] <nJess> IIIEars, the cd thing or the thin client thing?
[06:36] <desrt> funkyHat; non-sense.  it's only 12:36
[06:36] <funkyHat> heh
[06:36] <IIIEars> funkyHat - Are ya wimping out on us? - lol    g'nite :)
[06:36] <derekgiles> okay say I install this on my computer and like Im on a network and Im the only one on the network with this everyone else on windows can I still be networked to them or do i have to be on windows to be networked?
[06:36] <orborde> dbernarl: Since my Internet on this machine is through a proxy, yes. I set the HTTP proxy setting, but it's still not getting any new info.
[06:36] <IIIEars> thin is in - lol
[06:36] <funkyHat> i live in a real country ;), where we have the real time
[06:37] <desrt> ah
[06:37] <desrt> OTT
[06:37] <desrt> OneTrueTime(tm)
[06:37] <dbernar1> redtech: umount...
[06:37] <derekgiles> someone help me please
[06:37] <redtech> dbernar1, thats all?  I always feel like im missing something..
[06:37] <orborde> Do I need to set up the FTP proxy as well?
[06:38] <desrt> derekgiles; you want samba
[06:38] <dbernar1> umount umounts it,. and then it is not mounted.
[06:38] <desrt> derekgiles; you can install it with the package manager
[06:38] <derekgiles> whats samba desrt?
[06:38] <funkyHat> night all :)
[06:38] <dbernar1> orborde: not sure.
[06:38] <dbernar1> see ya
[06:38] <desrt> derekgiles; it's a program for letting linux computers function in groups of windows computers
[06:38] <desrt> derekgiles; file and print sharing stuff, basically
[06:38] <orborde> dbernarl: I guess I'll log off and activate that bit of the proxy,
[06:38] <derekgiles> and id just burn it to a cd
[06:38] <fabbione> hi desrt
[06:38] <derekgiles> would i beable to use internet also
[06:38] <desrt> fabbione; hey.  'sup?
[06:38] <dbernar1> hehe, I read the derekgiles message someone help me please, then I read his original message, and when I saw windows, I was like, ok, well, I dont know...
[06:39] <fabbione> desrt: i got the fix for the scripts/ ready
[06:39] <desrt> derekgiles; oh.  you're not even on the internet with your ubuntu box?  that's another story then
[06:39] <desrt> fabbione; rocking :)
[06:39] <orborde> Oh, wait. Hang on.
[06:39] <fabbione> desrt: it will be in the next upload..
[06:39] <orborde> The only thing listed in the "Repositories" dialog is the CD.
[06:39] <desrt> fabbione; gorecki was down over the weekend due to some power work on campus.. i hope it didn't affect you
[06:39] <orborde> What's the URI for the Ubuntu update  thingy?
[06:39] <derekgiles> is there away i can use the internet from the windows computer on ubuntu?
[06:39] <desrt> derekgiles; what sort of network card do you have?  ethernet?  wireless?
[06:40] <fabbione> desrt: not at all... i had the fix ready 2/3 days ago
[06:40] <derekgiles> ethernet
[06:40] <fabbione> desrt: i used diff to check :)
[06:40] <desrt> derekgiles; did the ubuntu installer detect your card?
[06:40] <orborde> derekgiles: Yes, you can. I am, at least.
[06:40] <desrt> fabbione; :)
[06:40] <derekgiles> see im just downloading the file now
[06:40] <desrt> derekgiles; ahh.  ubuntu isn't installed yet?
[06:40] <Mobus> xmms freezes whenever I hit play.. Can anyone help me fik this problem?
[06:40] <derekgiles> nah
[06:40] <desrt> ok
[06:40] <poppycock> was up
[06:41] <desrt> when ubuntu comes up it should automatically detect your network
[06:41] <derekgiles> so it may auto-detect it and Id be fine than?
[06:41] <KrisWood> hello, still trying to figure out how to recover lost files on ubuntu
[06:41] <desrt> and if you have a DHCP server on your network (you probably do) then everything will basically be automatic
[06:41] <poppycock> mobus you a beoch
[06:41] <KrisWood> I installed recover and gtkrecover but get a segmentation fault when attempting the recover
[06:41] <desrt> if not you'll need to know what IP address you want for it
[06:41] <Mobus> thanks. I'm flattered
[06:41] <derekgiles> ight and i can have windows and ubuntu on the same computer both installed right I just choose at startup which i want to use?
[06:41] <robotgeek> poppycock: cool it
[06:41] <KrisWood> is anyone familiar with this program, or does anyone know of any others that do the same thing?
[06:41] <dbernar1> Mobus: I kno.
[06:42] <desrt> derekgiles; yes.  if you install ubuntu on a computer that already has windows on it, that's exactly what it will do
[06:42] <dbernar1> Mobus: open xmms with no file.
[06:42] <Mobus> what?
[06:42] <poppycock> mobus you suck munkee nutts
[06:42] <robotgeek> !ops
[06:42] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[06:42] <dbernar1> any ops to kick him?
[06:42] <Mobus> I usually do
[06:42] <IIIEars> KrisWood - How lost is "Lost" - fdisked/formatted over?
[06:42] <Mobus> then I open fiels after I opened it
[06:42] <desrt> kick who?
[06:42] <Mobus> and when I hit play it freezes
[06:42] <derekgiles> ight thatks for ur help desrt
[06:42] <dbernar1> then, right click on it, properties
[06:42] <desrt> derekgiles; i hope things work out well for you :)
[06:42] <poppycock> mobus you are sofa king we todd ed
[06:42] <dbernar1> and in the output plugin, select esd, works every time.
[06:42] <dbernar1> esound
[06:42] <derekgiles> i'll be back if they downt
[06:42] <desrt> :)
[06:43] <desrt> well.  i hope i never see you again, then :)
[06:43] <robotgeek> ignore poppycock
[06:43] <derekgiles> unless i break my computer than I'll be back in a few week
[06:43] <dbernar1> thanks.
[06:43] <derekgiles> Ill come back actually all the time when im on the internet just to idle
[06:43] <derekgiles> ;)
[06:43] <derekgiles> ill yell at you if i t dont work hows that sound desrt
[06:43] <JDahl> I tried to use nautilus to access another box via "connect to server" using SSH. How does that work? I get a fancy small icon, but
[06:44] <bimberi> orborde: You after a sample sources.list? - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:44] <Mobus> ok I right clicked on it, but I don't see properties
[06:44] <bimberi> oops - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:44] <JDahl> ... small SSH icon, but I am never prompted for a passwork when I click it, and nothing happens
[06:44] <KrisWood> IIIEars, my wife and I got in an argument earlier and she deleted a lot of my work via samba
[06:44] <dbernar1> options>prefs, sotty
[06:44] <desrt> derekgiles; k :)
[06:44] <dbernar1> sorry
[06:45] <Mobus> ok I fized it
[06:45] <tritium> robotgeek, sorry I was temporarily away.  Thanks, fabbione.
[06:45] <KrisWood> (that's the abbreviated version heh)
[06:45] <dbernar1> JDahl: well, works here
[06:45] <dbernar1> wanna go through it together?
[06:45] <robotgeek> tritium: no probs
[06:45] <dbernar1> Mobus: excellent.
[06:45] <Mobus> ok it works now, but I'm getting crappy quality
[06:46] <dbernar1> Mobus: not excellent.
[06:46] <firebird619> I am trying to install f-spot and I first tried installing from Synaptic but the program doesn't run. I am now trying to install it through Terminal with configure, make, and make install but it says for Library requirements I need libgnome-2.0 >= 2.2 libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2. 2 libexif >= 0.5.7 libexif < 0.7.0 gtkhtml-sharp >= 1.0 gconf-sharp >= 1.0 glade -sharp >= 1.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4. The first 4 libraries listed are installed according
[06:46] <JDahl> dbernar1, yeah.. that would be great, if you have time... regular SSH between the boxes works fine
[06:46] <KrisWood> trying to recover a few months of work that was deleted via samba is all.... dunno how deleted that makes it...
[06:46] <dbernar1> JDahl: open a nautilus window;)
[06:46] <desrt> firebird619; f-spot is in apt... you should just be able to apt-get it
[06:47] <dbernar1> file>connect to server.
[06:47] <dbernar1> run a ssh server on that box, JDahl?
[06:47] <desrt> oh.  i see.
[06:47] <desrt> firebird619; try running the synaptic f-spot from the terminal
[06:47] <IIIEars> Kriswood - If you are good with linux no problem. - google "forensics" i really like Helix (knoppix based) they all include usually the same base tools from penguin sleuth kit.
[06:47] <Mobus> man my problems are like a snowball rolling down a hill...
[06:47] <JDahl> dbernar1, yeah... I can ssh to and from both boxes
[06:47] <desrt> firebird619; see if it says anything like error messages
[06:47] <Mobus> fiz one, here's another 4
[06:47] <firebird619> desrt: Isn't that sort of the same thing as getting it through Synaptic. Will apt-get also download all these dependencies that I need?
[06:48] <orborde> bimberi: I guess. Thanks,
[06:48] <desrt> firebird619; ya.  it's exactly the same thing.  my mistake.... by the time i got to the end of what you wrote i had forgotten the beginning :)
[06:48] <IIIEars> here is an ext2 fs driver tool for windows http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[06:48] <orborde> bimberi: Now if my Firefox weren't all screwed up, I could get to it.
[06:48] <dbernar1> JDahl: ok, lets do this first, then...
[06:48] <firebird619> desrt: Sorry for the long message. When I tried getting it through Synaptic I didn't get any errors.
[06:48] <desrt> firebird619; i'd say you're much more likely to get the old one working than succeed at trying to install it on your own
[06:48] <bimberi> orborde: I can paste contents to a /query if you like
[06:49] <dbernar1> so, file>connect to server, SSH in the dropdown, server: localhost, Port:22, folder: /home/username, user name: username, then hit the connect button
[06:49] <Mobus> oh I c
[06:49] <Mobus> its not winamp that's crappy quality
[06:49] <KrisWood> IIIEars, ok I'll look that up
[06:49] <IIIEars> KrisWood, - F.I.R.E. looks pretty popular also
[06:49] <Mobus> everything is crappy quality
[06:49] <JDahl> dbernar1, why localhost? wouldnt it be the IP number of the remote host?
[06:49] <firebird619> desrt: How can I get the one install from Synaptic working. It needs those libraries and all I find them for is gentoo. Will alien convert them to .deb files?
[06:49] <dbernar1> I only have one comp right here, so that is why.
[06:50] <dbernar1> try the other IP,
[06:50] <orborde> bimberi: No, I got it. What is /query?
[06:50] <dbernar1> wanna join #nautilus?
[06:50] <desrt> firebird619; you said you installed it successfully from synaptic but it wouldn't run, right?
[06:50] <gp_aaron|server> ok I have a presetup full ubuntu install
[06:50] <desrt> firebird619; install it again with synaptic and let's try and get it running
[06:50] <dkoh2> does anyone know anything about upgrading firefox?
[06:50] <firebird619> desrt: right.
[06:50] <JDahl> dbernar1, this is what I did before... still doesnt work, it times out with the "Opening MySSH-CON"
[06:50] <gp_aaron|server> how can I i boot into textmode?
[06:51] <IIIEars> !firefox
[06:51] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[06:51] <Mobus> how do I disable a device in the device manager?
[06:51] <IIIEars> Oops not very helpful
[06:51] <desrt> Mobus; disable how?
[06:51] <dbernar1> JDahl: do with the localhost.
[06:51] <mgcross> hey all...anyone know the code to enter for korean languge from the livecd? wanna impress a local tech...doesn't belive the whole livecd concept...thinks I'm kidding....
[06:51] <Mobus> I know what the problem is
[06:51] <KrisWood> IIIEars, I'll try that one thanks :)
[06:51] <desrt> (device-manager is read-only by the way)
[06:51] <firebird619> desrt: OK I will try reinstalling it. I am on dial-up Internet so it will take a few minutes.
[06:51] <Mobus> its the same one I had in windows
[06:51] <desrt> firebird619; it's probably in your apt cache
[06:51] <mgcross> would dig it up, but I'm in a hurry
[06:51] <Mobus> I have an external USB sound card
[06:52] <Mobus> and a builkt uin one tyo the motherbooard
[06:52] <Mobus> when they're both installed, they go fuzzy
[06:52] <PurpleBlu> what is a good font to use
[06:52] <PurpleBlu> ?
[06:52] <dbernar1> oh, wow, it worked a moment ago.
[06:52] <gp_aaron|server> ?
[06:52] <desrt> Mobus; so you want to prevent the usb one from loading?
[06:52] <dkoh2> thanks
[06:52] <Mobus> so I have to disable my built in souind card in order for my external one to work
[06:52] <desrt> ah
[06:52] <desrt> what type of card?
[06:52] <dbernar1> BIOS, Mobus.
[06:52] <PurpleBlu> Windows always used TImes New Roman not seein that, whats a good font?
[06:52] <Mobus> so I need to disable the sound controller in Device Manager
[06:53] <Mobus> BIOS?
[06:53] <derekgiles> soory another question
[06:53] <Mobus> as in the setup?
[06:53] <Mobus> during boot?
[06:53] <dbernar1> Mobus: I think so, as in while booting, press del
[06:53] <derekgiles> If you already run another operating system, you must re-partition your hard disk in order to install a "standard" Linux distribution << do i need to do that for ubuntu also?
[06:53] <Mobus> eh ok
[06:53] <desrt> Mobus; type lsmod | grep snd-
[06:53] <desrt> sorry
[06:53] <desrt> Mobus; type lsmod | grep snd_
[06:53] <dbernar1> derekgiles: do you have only one partition on the hard disk?
[06:53] <desrt> Mobus; anything in there about ac97 or something?
[06:54] <KrisWood> IIIEars, ok I'm having trouble finding download links for these, any ideas where to find them?
[06:54] <firebird619> desrt: It is done downloading and installing.
[06:54] <derekgiles> Is that like another drive set aside like C and there could be another one D with a set amount of space
[06:54] <derekgiles> ?
[06:54] <mgcross> I'm digging now...anyone save me some time...and introduce Ubuntu to the geeks in Cheonan South Korea ;-)
[06:54] <derekgiles> not like a harddrive just one harddrive acting as more than one
[06:54] <desrt> derekgiles; i think the ubuntu installer will let you shrink your drive C to make space for ubuntu
[06:55] <JDahl> dbernar1, that works from the machine with sshd, but not from a new laptop without it... I thought I just needed the ssh client to make the connection, but maybe not (and right apt is busy doing a slowass postinstall upgrade)
[06:55] <desrt> it's called partitioning... and ya.. that's basically how it works
[06:55] <derekgiles> ight
[06:55] <desrt> of course you need to have enough free space
[06:55] <dbernar1> derekgiles: yes, partition of a hard drive
[06:55] <JDahl> dbernar1, but thanks...
[06:55] <desrt> and it probably helps to defragment first
[06:55] <dbernar1> JDahl: sure:)
[06:55] <tuxhagen> purpleblu: you can install times new roman if you want, take a look for msttcorefonts at synaptic - is it in your repositories?
[06:55] <desrt> firebird619; so run fspot from a terminal
[06:55] <desrt> firebird619; see if it says anything
[06:55] <KrisWood> nm I found it
[06:56] <derekgiles> because i have that arleady on my windows that im using now its named D with all my back up files you cant write to it its so If i get a virus I have that to start over for my back up
[06:57] <derekgiles> so i was wanderign to make sure that that was like the same thing
[06:57] <desrt> derekgiles; generally speaking, having backups on the same computer as the original isn't good for protecting yourself from a virus
[06:58] <dbernar1> derekgiles: if you have a partition D that is not used for anything, and is big enough for you to use Ubuntu on, yes, install on that partition.
[06:58] <desrt> derekgiles; it's sort of like making a new drive letter... but not really the same
[06:58] <dbernar1> desrt: he is good to do anything.
[06:58] <desrt> like, you won't see a new drive letter in windows
[06:58] <dbernar1> I mean, having a separate data/windows partition is very good.
[06:58] <desrt> and you won't see any drive letters at all in ubuntu
[06:58] <dbernar1> viruses dont affect data, only programs.
[06:59] <dbernar1> and such
[06:59] <dbernar1> just to let you know about the such
[06:59] <gandii> hi
[07:00] <dbernar1> I also today installed dynDNS, so I have a domain now. w00t, it is very simple, and there is a daemon program that runs and updates your IP whenever it changes, very cool stuff.
[07:00] <firebird619> desrt: It says:
[07:00] <tritium> :
[07:00] <firebird619> ** (/usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe:17147): WARNING **: The following assembly refere nced from /usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe could not be loaded:
[07:00] <firebird619>      Assembly:   gnome-sharp    (assemblyref_index=7)
[07:00] <firebird619>      Version:    <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:00] <firebird619>      Public Key: 35e10195dab3c99f
[07:00] <firebird619> The assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache, a path listed in the MO NO_PATH environment variable, or in the location of the executing assembly (/usr /lib/f-spot).
[07:00] <tritium> :)
[07:00] <firebird619> ** (/usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe:17147): WARNING **: The class Gnome.Program could  not be loaded, used in /usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe (token 0x0100012e)
[07:00] <firebird619> Unhandled Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[07:00] <desrt> firebird619; ok.  that's useful info
[07:00] <desrt> firebird619; is libgnome-cil installed?
[07:00] <hyphenated> firebird619: it's quite rude to paste that much
[07:00] <gandii> yea
[07:00] <dbernar1> firebird, please use http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl, or #flood for pasteing more than 3 lines of text
[07:00] <firebird619> hyphenated: sorry
[07:01] <IIIEars> If you still use windows. - setting up limited rights bon-admin accts to surf is a very good idea.
[07:01] <dbernar1> firebird619 even
[07:01] <IIIEars> erm "non-admin"
[07:01] <dbernar1> ya, hassle, windows, boring...:)
[07:01] <firebird619> desrt: no, it is not installed. I am assuming I need to install it
[07:01] <derekgiles> ight thanks again
[07:02] <desrt> firebird619; ya.  give that a try
[07:02] <derekgiles> 15 minutes left of download
[07:02] <desrt> firebird619; the package should have installed it automatically.  don't know why it didn't.
[07:02] <dbernar1> I think I am ready to Eat Fresh (tm) at a local Subways...
[07:02] <desrt> firebird619; you using backports by any chance?
[07:02] <IIIEars> I agree - windows is not 'net safe. - games only until it is ported to linux. - grin
[07:02] <derekgiles> linux is like the safest operation system isnt it?
[07:03] <dbernar1> Subway - Eat Fresh, another oximoron...
[07:03] <wienerb0x> damn it, why does XMMS sound so much better than BMP :(
[07:03] <firebird619> desrt: I have a backport repository but it never seems to work. Should I delete it?
[07:03] <desrt> derekgiles; leaving your computer turned off is safest :)
[07:03] <robotgeek> !hemlock
[07:03] <ubotu> robotgeek: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:03] <desrt> derekgiles; but linux is a lot more safe than windows, these days :)
[07:03] <robotgeek> !info hemlock
[07:03] <IIIEars> derekgiles - there are a lot fewer exploits out for it. - draw your own conclusions.
[07:03] <desrt> firebird619; well, if it doesn't work, then ya :)
[07:03] <desrt> firebird619; it's because backports switched to mandatory mirror use
[07:03] <derekgiles> more people use windows because linux system are more complicated but easy once you get used to them
[07:03] <desrt> firebird619; you have to use one of their mirror servers now if you want access
[07:04] <derekgiles> my friend had red had 9 before
[07:04] <derekgiles> and i was like whoa
[07:04] <dkoh2> how do you uninstall a compiled program... like when you make it
[07:04] <derekgiles> i  understood it but yea
[07:04] <desrt> dkoh2; make uninstall
[07:04] <dkoh2> oh haha thanks
[07:04] <desrt> dkoh2; in the directory that you typed "make install" in
[07:04] <desrt> or "sudo make uninstall" i suppose
[07:04] <IIIEars> derekgiles - no OS is really safe. - no execute bit in next gen of chips should slow  hackersdown some
[07:05] <desrt> 'next gen'
[07:05] <desrt> pfft
[07:05] <dkoh2> what about emptying the recycling bin?
[07:05] <vdrab> hello #Ubuntu ! I have this weird problem with gnome / X, it just randomly closes windows on me all the time.... no crashing, no reboots, just disappearing windows.... anyone have a clue on what may be going on? much appreciated.
[07:05] <firebird619> desrt: Yes, it makes sense to delete it beings it doesn't work but I thought it maybe would start working again. Those files are downloading. I will let you know when they are done installing and I will see if it works.
[07:05] <desrt> firebird619; i sure hope it does :P
[07:06] <dbernar1> vdrab: weird...try creating a new user, to see if it happens to him too.
[07:06] <dbernar1> lol@nilson
[07:06] <JDahl> dbernar1, have you made a nautilus ssh connection to a remote server? It only seems to work with localhost for me
[07:06] <vdrab> could it be a graphics card problem? i think not, but....
[07:06] <dbernar1> JDahl: doesnt work at all, for some reason...
[07:07] <IIIEars> << - makes online purchases with a bootable CD or better over the phone. (Is that paranoia or what? - rofl)
[07:08] <nickrud> vdrab, can you expand on that; for example, do you have to restart the programs?
[07:08] <desrt> uh
[07:08] <JDahl> dbernar1, I dont really need it - just thought it'd be a nice alternative to scp
[07:08] <derekgiles> 10 minutes left of the download
[07:08] <dkoh2> is it possible to use a windows xp shared hp printer with ubuntu?
[07:08] <derekgiles> dkoh2 yes
[07:08] <derekgiles> I already asked LOL
[07:08] <derekgiles> :-D
[07:08] <dbernar1> JDahl: ya, it would.
[07:08] <vdrab> nickrud: yeah, firefox, synaptic, anything.... they just close, so i have to reopen
[07:08] <derekgiles> desrt answered me
[07:08] <desrt> IIIEars; credit card security over the net is probably somewhat better than giving your card to a human over the phone
[07:08] <dkoh2> derekgiles: how do I do that?
[07:08] <Internat> derekgiles is it easy to set up? cause i just realised i have to do that as well
[07:09] <Internat> actually mines a network printer..
[07:09] <desrt> dkoh2; samba
[07:09] <nJess> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/688 <--i had to do that, it was rather amusing
[07:09] <derekgiles> you want samba
[07:09] <derekgiles> you can install it with the package manager
[07:09] <dkoh2> okay
[07:09] <nickrud> vdrab, weird. when you say reopen, does that mean starting the programs from the menu?
[07:09] <desrt> derekgiles; :)
[07:09] <vdrab> nickrud: yes, that's right.
[07:10] <derekgiles> and samba desert  it's a program for letting linux computers function in groups of windows computers file and print sharing stuff, basically
[07:10] <dbernar1> laters.
[07:10] <dbernar1> laters...
[07:10] <desrt> woh
[07:10] <desrt> derekgiles; extreme delayed-action echo effect :)
[07:10] <dkoh2> awesome so apt-get samba desert
[07:10] <desrt> no
[07:10] <desrt> desrt is me :)
[07:10] <desrt> i'm not installable with apt
[07:10] <bimberi> lol
[07:10] <dkoh2> oh
[07:10] <nickrud> vdrab, that is extremely weird to me :)
[07:10] <dkoh2> sorry
[07:10] <desrt> sudo apt-get install samba
[07:11] <derekgiles> hah desrt I did pretty good at copying your words huh
[07:11] <desrt> derekgiles; :)
[07:11] <PurpleBlu> If I want to install some themes for my KDE desktop can I do that through Synaptic Packet Manager?  I think I need SuperKaramba them some themes.  IS this correct, can I do that?
[07:11] <orborde> How do I check/change my screen resolution?
[07:11] <PurpleBlu> want some nice eye candy, you know what I mean.
[07:11] <bimberi> nJess: it was indeed! :)
[07:12] <vdrab> nickrud: see, it just friggin' closed Xchat on me....
[07:12] <TokenBad> if someone has a ftp up and its SSL..how do you ftp into it..or what is command to ftp into it since uses ssl?
[07:12] <bimberi> orborde: system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[07:12] <derekgiles> does ne one here like rap music?
[07:12] <derekgiles> besides me
[07:12] <TokenBad> not me
[07:12] <bimberi> nope
[07:12] <desrt> derekgiles; ubuntu will crash if you try and play any rap music on it
[07:12] <desrt> derekgiles; just advanced warning there
[07:12] <IIIEars> Sinatra and Clooney. - lol
[07:13] <aru> desrt: nice :)
[07:13] <rommer> desrt; i've tried it doesn't, only crashes to classical and country
[07:13] <Ghetek> how do i make a user called "www" and give it access to my apache-served webpage?
[07:13] <firebird619> desrt: That solved   the problem. Thanks for the help.
[07:13] <desrt> dude
[07:13] <desrt> country!!!
[07:13] <nickrud> vdrab, this is something you may want to take up on a mailling list: user, or devel. I think I can reasonably promise you that you'll get more help there
[07:13] <desrt> firebird619; awesome :)
[07:13] <helpmepls> hey
[07:13] <aru> desrt: hank3 ;)
[07:13] <helpmepls> where is the girl
[07:13] <TokenBad> anyone?
[07:14] <vdrab> sweet. any concrete pointers? can i find it from the ubuntu forums?
[07:14] <derekgiles> damn ima go for awhile its done downloading time to burn it heh
[07:15] <nickrud> vdrab, yes, those lists can ge gotten to from the forums; I 'd suggest using pan and pointing it at gmane.org
[07:19] <Ghetek> how do i make a user from command line?
[07:20] <bimberi_> Ghetek: sudo adduser
[07:20] <helpmepls> guys
[07:20] <helpmepls> how to add user with expired
[07:20] <helpmepls> example user joe with exppired desember
[07:20] <helpmepls> 1 desember
[07:22] <dkoh2> so I got samba installed, what do I do next to print to an xp computer?
[07:22] <TokenBad> if someone has a ftp up and its SSL..how do you ftp into it..or what is command to ftp into it since uses ssl?
[07:22] <PurpleBlu> okay, I downlaoded a source file.  I did the ./configure command from console, what is my next step?
[07:23] <CarlFK> is there a pastebot I can apt-get install?
[07:23] <rommer> do u need an even number of computers to make a cluster?
[07:23] <CarlFK> no.
[07:23] <dgimusique> i need help... lots of it... WHAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH UBUNTU???? i tried installing RPM's Debians, i tried too many thing I AM LOST!!! i'm also pretty new to linux.... i'm trying to follow the information on websites and such to install my programs... NOTHING WORKS!!! i'm freaking out!!!
[07:23] <reka> PurpleBlu: what are you trying to install?
[07:23] <PurpleBlu> SupeKaramba
[07:23] <PurpleBlu> i think I need to make it or something
[07:23] <helpmepls> guy's help me
[07:24] <CarlFK> first un-install samba - you don't need it
[07:24] <nickrud> dgimusique, there's a simple rule for using ubuntu: only use packages from ubuntu repositories
[07:24] <reka> PurpleBlu: er, it's in the repo it seems
[07:24] <PurpleBlu> ohh really, where I go?
[07:24] <aru> PurpleBlu: System > Administration > Synaptic  then search for superkaramba
[07:24] <dgimusique> nickrud : where's that?
[07:24] <reka> PurpleBlu: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[07:24] <bimberi_> dkoh2: system -> administration -> printing; New Printer; Network Printer; Windows (SMB)
[07:24] <wynseb001> hello
[07:24] <reka> PurpleBlu: always check the repo first....compiling from source is the "harder" way of doing things
[07:24] <aru> or use the console, either way
[07:25] <nickrud> dgimusique, the 25 word or less version, is use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 as the text in /etc/apt/source.list
[07:25] <aru> I like my linux gooey
[07:26] <nickrud> gak
[07:26] <nickrud> dgimusique, the 25 word or less version, is use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 as the text in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:26] <dgimusique> thanks
[07:26] <bruce_> join #lisp
[07:26] <helpmepls> doh
[07:26] <CarlFK> there is a #lisp?
[07:26] <reka> nickrud: hehe..that's not like you. :)
[07:26] <nickrud> doh, doh, cut and paste please :)
[07:26] <CarlFK> wow... what about #forth...
[07:27] <helpmepls> #lisp is homo chan
[07:27] <helpmepls> :)
[07:27] <CarlFK> wow!  25 users in #forth
[07:27] <reka> helpmepls: easy now...
[07:27] <helpmepls> not yet reka
[07:28] <helpmepls> i'll do tomorrow morning
[07:28] <JDahl> CarlFK, is that the hyped future Fortran killer by Sun et al.?
[07:28] <helpmepls> reka do you know how to adduser with expired i mean exam user joe with expired 30 des
[07:28] <helpmepls> from now
[07:29] <reka> helpmepls: no
[07:29] <helpmepls> doh
[07:29] <helpmepls> i wanna rent my shell
[07:30] <TokenBad> anyone know how to ftp into a ftp that requires SSL for auth?
[07:30] <ubuntudriftfast1> anyone here?
[07:31] <ubuntudriftfast1> im a newb to ubuntu, bare with me
[07:31] <ubuntudriftfast1> first linux distro
[07:31] <bimberi_> TokenBad: sftp didn't work? (my modem dropped out just after i typed it)
[07:31] <dgimusique> nickrud : i don'T get it... there is no softwares in what you just showed me
[07:31] <TokenBad> let me check
[07:31] <looser> dgimusique apt-cache search
[07:32] <dgimusique> apt-cache search?
[07:32] <TokenBad> and i just type that in the console right?
[07:32] <ubuntudriftfast1> can anyone tell me of a good primer to get my feet wet for linux
[07:32] <ubuntudriftfast1> or should i learn a language first
[07:32] <Kosai> Hello.  I'm running a hoary install on powerpc, and I mistyped the first screeen of "set new root password".  Now, every time I go back into that menu, it prompts me to retype the password (which I don't know, because it was mistyped) correctly, and won't let me give an initial password again.
[07:32] <Kosai> Does anyone have any suggestions?
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> jn nphy
[07:32] <Ghetek> oy, i got a webserver question. just decided to come here b/c not getting too much of an answer at apache (but i am on ubuntu). i get a 403 error when trying to access my web page. i know it has something to do with permissions. i dont have x or a window manager.
[07:32] <reka> ubuntudriftfast1: tlpd.org
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> Ghetek: why do you need a window manager?
[07:33] <reka> tldp.org rather
[07:33] <ubuntudriftfast1> thanks
[07:33] <looser> !rescue
[07:33] <ubotu> [rescue]  Boot the install cd with rescue as boot parameter for system rescue mode
[07:33] <ubuntudriftfast1> what do i do for your name to be highlighted?
[07:33] <looser> Ghetek go there
[07:33] <otep> ubuntudriftfast1: or buy "running linux"
[07:33] <reka> !tell dgimusique about repositories
[07:33] <ubuntudriftfast1> is that a book?
[07:33] <otep> yup
[07:33] <Ghetek> thechitowncubs: go where?
[07:33] <tzuqris> alright guys
[07:33] <otep> from o'reilly and associates
[07:34] <dgimusique> thx reka
[07:34] <Ghetek> looser: go where?
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> Ghetek: where did you put the index.html file?
[07:34] <reka> ubuntudriftfast1: if you type someone's name in your post, it will be highlighted for them
[07:34] <looser> !rescue
[07:34] <ubotu> I guess rescue is Boot the install cd with rescue as boot parameter for system rescue mode
[07:34] <tzuqris> i've come back
[07:34] <ubuntudriftfast1> reka that do it?
[07:34] <bimberi_> ubuntudriftfast1: another place: http://tuxfiles.org/
[07:34] <Ghetek> thechitowncubs: its in /var/www/
[07:34] <reka> ubuntudriftfast1: yep :)
[07:34] <Kosai> The rescue quote was for me?
[07:34] <ubuntudriftfast1> cool, thanks
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> is that where you told apache to look?
[07:34] <tzuqris> i want to get these sound issues solved
[07:34] <tzuqris> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> Ghetek: man chmod if you need to learn about permissions
[07:35] <Ghetek> thechitowncubs: yeah
[07:35] <ubuntudriftfast1> i had microsoft, so is there anything like cmd prompt on ubuntu, or do I just write the code as needed?
[07:35] <Ghetek> thechitowncubs: its a user/permissions problem
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> man chown
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> man chmod
[07:35] <tzuqris> that is a link that i tried
[07:35] <reka> ubuntudriftfast1: apps > sys tools > terminal
[07:35] <otep> ubuntudriftfast1: the terminal
[07:35] <looser> guy's brb i wanna to piss
[07:35] <reka> ubuntudriftfast1: read this while you're at it
[07:36] <Ghetek> thechitowncubs: yeah i looked at those and sis what apache said i made a user called www and i used chown and gave www access to the folder
[07:36] <reka> !tell ubuntudriftfast1 about rootsudo
[07:36] <Ghetek> but the outside world cant see it
[07:36] <tzuqris> and i tried this for my sound http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567
[07:36] <tzuqris> anybody got anything for me?
[07:36] <ubuntudriftfast1> reka,otep the terminal. Thanks. it should make it alittle easier now
[07:36] <TokenBad> is there an apt-get for bsdftpd?
[07:36] <Ghetek> TokenBad: apt-cache search
[07:36] <TokenBad> I did that
[07:36] <TokenBad> returned no responce at all
[07:36] <ubuntudriftfast1> reka thanks I got to go study
[07:37] <otep> ubuntudriftfast1: go to http://tuxfiles.org/ as suggested by bimberi, click "command line" on the left
[07:37] <reka> tzuqris: there aren't many sound gurus in here....but crimsun is who you want to get a hold of. keep dropping by until he's active
[07:37] <Ghetek> TokenBad: sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search bsdftpd
[07:37] <tzuqris> reka: got maybe a time frame of when that usually is?
[07:38] <reka> Kosai: not really.  are you sure it's the root password you mistyped?  b/c by default you enter *your* password to do priveliged actions
[07:38] <reka> tzuqris: try every two hrs if you can
[07:38] <PurpleBlu> reka - searched for superkaramba in Synaptic Packet Manger, nothing.
[07:38] <ubuntudriftfast1> thanks everyone
[07:38] <Mechcozmo> alright... i'm installing ubuntu
[07:38] <reka> tzuqris: i'm not in the US so it's tough for me to pinpoint his times
[07:38] <Mechcozmo> and its complaining about something
[07:38] <tzuqris> problem is...i have a pretty short time frame
[07:39] <Kosai> reka: It's the installer.  No-one *has* a password yet.
[07:39] <reka> PurpleBlu: it's in universe
[07:39] <Mechcozmo> i'm trying to install it onto partition #6
[07:39] <Mechcozmo> which is a real partition
[07:39] <TokenBad> I still don't find it
[07:39] <reka> !tell PurpleBlu about repositories
[07:39] <tzuqris> i will try a couple more things with this then
[07:39] <Fidelio> can anybody please explain to me how to specify the dhcp server in ubuntu?
[07:39] <Mechcozmo> (only four of them, #1,5,6,7)
[07:39] <dgimusique> here is what happens when i try to open the synaptic : Child terminated with 1 status... it won't open
[07:39] <Mechcozmo> i can't even get that far
[07:39] <Fidelio> ie : how to connect to a specific DHCP server
[07:40] <reka> Kosai: the installer?  you're supposed to *set* your password there, it's not supposed to stop you if you get it wrong.
[07:40] <reka> dgimusique: you sure you don't have a session open already?
[07:40] <Mechcozmo> the installer won't go that far!
[07:41] <Mechcozmo> i'm trying to partition
[07:41] <Mechcozmo> and its being a rather large PITA
[07:41] <PurpleBlu> universe?  talking about the section in Synaptic Packet Manger?  cause there is no section called that.  And yes please tell me about REPOS, cause I aint see it in Synaptic, and I even searched too.
[07:41] <Mechcozmo> no root filesystem or something
[07:41] <otep> !tell otep about repositories
[07:41] <dgimusique> reka where should that be?
[07:41] <otep> wow
[07:41] <tzuqris> ooh
[07:41] <reka> PurpleBlu: settings > repos
[07:41] <Kosai> reka: You set it by typing it twice.  I typed it once, making a mistake, and then it asked me to repeat.  I can't repeat it, since I don't know what I typed.  It keeps asking me to repeat it, without giving me an option of not repeating it and setting it again.
[07:41] <reka> PurpleBlu: read the wiki page i sent you
[07:42] <PurpleBlu> reka, reading now
[07:42] <otep> ubotu is a demigod...
[07:42] <ubotu> otep: Are you smoking crack?
[07:42] <reka> dgimusique: you probably have an open synaptic window already
[07:42] <otep> lol
[07:42] <Fidelio> anybody?
[07:42] <Mechcozmo> anyone going to bother helping me?
[07:42] <dgimusique> reka all i have opened is this X-chat and AIM talking to my girlfriend
[07:42] <reka> Kosai: oh, i see.....imho, easier to just reboot and start again. :-/
[07:42] <Mechcozmo> what the hell is the root file system, how do i define it, and how do i correct it?
[07:43] <tzuqris> lol
[07:43] <TokenBad> if console based ftp
[07:43] <TokenBad> how get it to download a full dir?
[07:43] <reka> Kosai: afaik, it's going to be *really* tough to be able to get the password at that stage.
[07:43] <TokenBad> I tried get dirname
[07:43] <TokenBad> and it says its not a file
[07:43] <dgimusique> Whoever plays as root... ends up fucking a tree
[07:44] <Seveas> TokenBad, try mc (midnight commander) for console based ftp :)
[07:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> gues how do i set up a connection over pppoe
[07:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> -gues
[07:44] <TokenBad> I am haaving to use ftp-sll
[07:44] <Seveas> MrGardenHoseMan, pppoeconf
[07:44] <TokenBad> shoot
[07:44] <TokenBad> ftp-ssl
[07:44] <TokenBad> even
[07:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> it's starting to drive me mad
[07:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> THANK YOU!
[07:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> lets take a stab at it
[07:45] <Fidelio> does anybody in here have experience with DHCP in Hoary?
[07:45] <Seveas> Fidelio, yes
[07:45] <Seveas> both server and client
[07:46] <TokenBad> Seveas, in a ssl based ftp..how get a full dir..get don't work
[07:46] <TokenBad> and the mc you gave didn't work
[07:46] <Fidelio> Seveas : I am trying to connect to a Broadband Router which acts as my DHCP server from Hoary
[07:46] <Fidelio> but I'm not getting lucky
[07:47] <supernix> hiya gang
[07:47] <supernix> I am using Kubuntu and I was wonder what the best way would be to add the fonts from my windows system to Linux
[07:47] <Ghetek> sigh
[07:47] <Seveas> Fidelio, what does killall dhclient3 && dhclient3 eth0 (or whichever your card is) say?
[07:47] <dgimusique> ok i'm trying to open the Synaptic manager thing... and IT IS NOT already running, i even tried restarting... it'S telling me the same thing it did a while ago :(
[07:47] <bimberi> TokenBad: mget transfers multiple files (but not directories)
[07:47] <otep> !tell otep fonts
[07:47] <Seveas> TokenBad, ah, mc cannot handle sftp, sorry
[07:48] <TokenBad> then how get full dirs?
[07:48] <PurpleBlu> reka, when adding universe repositories, doI  just want to add binaries or source to?
[07:48] <Discipulus> alright, what's the difference between a hard link and a symlink?
[07:48] <Fidelio> Seveas, both router and ethernet are on wireless...so mine is on wlan0
[07:48] <reka> PurpleBlu: both
[07:49] <reka> dgimusique: ok, full error again please?
[07:49] <Seveas> Fidelio, ahhhh, wireless
[07:49] <Seveas> Fidelio, with encryption?
[07:50] <Fidelio> Seveas, nope...but I have a card that according to ubuntu is well supported in Hoary
[07:50] <PurpleBlu> ohh yes, superkaramba here I come
[07:50] <PurpleBlu> I am loving this
[07:50] <PurpleBlu> easy
[07:50] <PurpleBlu> wow
[07:50] <dgimusique> well i have it installed in french... Echec lors du lancement de /usr/sbin/synaptic : Child terminated with 1 status
[07:50] <Thewarmachine> im nervous about tomorrow
[07:50] <Seveas> Fidelio, what does iwconfig wlan0 say (output on pastebin please)
[07:50] <Seveas> dgimusique, try sudo synaptic in a terminal
[07:51] <Fidelio> Seveas, you'll have to give me a sec for that
[07:51] <Seveas> you might be able to see a better error description then
[07:51] <Seveas> Fidelio, ok
[07:51] <mebaran151> how do I manually mount a usb pendrive from cli
[07:51] <Thewarmachine> how would I go about making my webcam work
[07:51] <Thewarmachine> ?
[07:51] <Seveas> mebaran151, pmount /dev/sda
[07:51] <reka> dgimusique: ok, and you entered *your* password?
[07:51] <dgimusique> yes
[07:51] <Seveas> replace sda by the correct drive
[07:51] <mebaran151> Seveas, what is the correct drive
[07:51] <mebaran151> taht is my question
[07:51] <dgimusique> dgimusique is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
[07:51] <Seveas> mebaran151, ghe :)
[07:51] <mebaran151> how are usb devices classifed
[07:51] <PurpleBlu> reka, now when I download theme for superkaramba I dont do it through Synaptic do i?
[07:52] <mebaran151> are tehy scsi's?
[07:52] <Seveas> mebaran151, as /dev/sd*something*
[07:52] <Seveas> but usually they are automounted
[07:52] <Seveas> if not: consult dmesg to see the scsi position of the drive
[07:52] <Thewarmachine> anyone have ideas????????????????????????????????
[07:52] <reka> PurpleBlu: not sure....check if there are themes in the repos....if not, then yes, need to do it some other way
[07:53] <reka> dgimusique: ah, there you go
[07:53] <aru> mebaran151: System > Administration > Device Manager | and see if it's listed
[07:53] <reka> !tell dgimusique about rootsudo
[07:53] <reka> dgimusique: i think you need to add yourself to the sudoers file
[07:53] <reka> dgimusique: read the wiki page i sent you
[07:54] <Thewarmachine> does anyone know?
[07:54] <PurpleBlu> yep, didnt find liquid weather
[07:54] <aru> Thewarmachine: what kind of camera?
[07:54] <mebaran151> aru, eh I dont have a gui
[07:54] <mebaran151> I have a server only install
[07:54] <mebaran151> and I neecdd to do it the old fashioned way from the cli
[07:55] <Thewarmachine> logitech quickcam express
[07:55] <aru> mebaran151: sorry for your luck :)
[07:55] <aru> Thewarmachine: USB?
[07:55] <Thewarmachine>  yes
[07:55] <PurpleBlu> reka, what desktop you use? Gnome, Kde? what?
[07:55] <reka> PurpleBlu: gnome
[07:55] <PurpleBlu> no KDE?
[07:55] <mebaran151> aru, so what do they normally classify usb drives as
[07:55] <reka> PurpleBlu: which is why i have't had experience with superkaramba
[07:55] <mebaran151> ada had or /dev/usb/something
[07:55] <reka> PurpleBlu: i prefer gnome
[07:56] <Seveas> jay for flaky freenode :(
[07:56] <Seveas> Thewarmachine, you need quickcam modules for the kernel
[07:56] <Seveas> Thewarmachine, it's a PITA, never got it to work myself
[07:56] <PurpleBlu> ohh really, even for eye candy?
[07:56] <mebaran151> sda hda or /dev/usb/x
[07:56] <reka> PurpleBlu: there's #kubuntu and #kde if you didn't know
[07:56] <Thewarmachine> damn
[07:56] <reka> PurpleBlu: i like a minimalist desktop
[07:56] <Fidelio> how do I get to pastebin?
[07:56] <Thewarmachine> any idea how  would go about it?
[07:56] <Seveas> reka, fluxbox? :)
[07:56] <Thewarmachine> xfce4?
[07:56] <Seveas> Fidelio, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:56] <dgimusique> reka i can't even add a new user it gives me the same error... looks like i have an account problem in here :S
[07:56] <reka> Seveas: i'm too used to gnome's shortcuts/quirks :)
[07:57] <Seveas> dgimusique, shat does sudo synaptic say?
[07:57] <Seveas> (ina terminal)
[07:57] <dgimusique> dgimusique is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
[07:57] <reka> dgimusique: well, i'm pretty certain that's what you need to do....do it with a user who already has sudo privileges.
[07:57] <Thewarmachine> seveas any idea where I could acquire that
[07:57] <Thewarmachine> >
[07:57] <dgimusique> i only have ONE user account in my ubuntu installation...
[07:58] <dgimusique> and it's this one
[07:58] <dgimusique> lol
[07:58] <reka> oh. :)
[07:58] <dgimusique> i set a root password...
[07:58] <Glendos> Can someone recommend a "WORKING" free dvd/cd recording program for gnome?? Nautilus has problems burning my data DVDs, Graveman sort of works except it gives growisofs errors, Gnomebaker 3.3 works fine except I can't Name my cds, Gnomebaker 0.4 Segfaults when I start burning.. and K3b needs crap load of QT libraries, and finally Nero Linux demo works but its not free and not opensource..
[07:58] <aru> mebaran151: mine says /dev/sda
[07:58] <dgimusique> but i have no clue how logon to it...
[07:58] <ubuntudriftfast1> tuxflies.org doesnt work
[07:58] <Seveas> Thewarmachine, from synaptic :)
[07:59] <reka> dgimusique: doesn't the wik tell you?
[07:59] <Thewarmachine> what packages?
[07:59] <Thewarmachine> and sorry for the pesterance
[07:59] <reka> *wiki
[07:59] <mebaran151> aru, it is a scsi device
[07:59] <mebaran151> nicety
[07:59] <aru> Glendos: I use graveman with no problems, what is it you burn that gives you errors?
[07:59] <ubuntudriftfast1> reka the link tuxflies doesnt work, i even typed url in firefox. is that right?
[08:00] <aru> mebaran151: thats what it says, but its USB
[08:00] <Glendos> aru, simple data DVD .. :(
[08:00] <Seveas> Thewarmachine, in private (too big to paste in here)
[08:00] <reka> ubuntudriftfast1: google
[08:00] <aru> Glendos: weird
[08:00] <mebaran151> aru, weird devices often work that way
[08:00] <Glendos> once it finishes it says some crap about growisofs
[08:00] <TokenBad> so anyone know how to get ftp-ssl to get full dir?
[08:00] <Glendos> but it seems to burn correctly though... the files seem to be there and load
[08:00] <mebaran151> because Linux has a pretty robust scsi interface
[08:00] <ubuntudriftfast1> gotcha, does a live cd, have all the same things as the standard ver.
[08:01] <Glendos> I was just hoping that all this grand opern source projects actually had one decent working burning program
[08:01] <rom> has anyone here tried to make a linux cluster using ubuntu?
[08:01] <reka> Glendos: 2 things that might  be relevant [1]  enabled DMA? [2]  tried a slower write speed?
[08:01] <ubuntudriftfast1> reka does live cd the exact same as real ver.?
[08:01] <robotgeek> ubuntudriftfast1: yup
[08:02] <Glendos> reka, good point, I have DMA enabled , umask on, 32-bit IO
[08:02] <ubuntudriftfast1> alright, it just seemed like the about in terminal didnt do what someone said
[08:02] <Glendos> reka, I'm trying to burn 8x dvds at 4x to be safe
[08:02] <IIIEars> Glendos - Then you have tried k3b and gnomebaker? - pretty sure there are others nero is linux also
[08:02] <Glendos> and still the same problem
[08:02] <dgimusique> reka yup and everytime i try any of the commands in there i get the same thing : dgimusique is not in the sudoers file.
[08:02] <ubuntudriftfast1> reka thanks again
[08:02] <Glendos> IIIEars, refer to my long paragraph above :)
[08:03] <IIIEars> Glendos if you have Nero - sign in to their site and pick up the linux vers.
[08:03] <Razor-X> hey
[08:03] <reka> dgimusique: weird....if you're the only user, you should be able to sudo
[08:03] <anacron> what's the suggested way to make linux run internet radio?
[08:03] <Razor-X> anacron: there's no real ``suggested'' way
[08:03] <Harold> anacron:  Why not go with podcasting?
[08:03] <Razor-X> I prefer VLC meself, because I generally listen to Shoutcast streams
[08:03] <dgimusique> reka i even tried logging out and loggin back in
[08:04] <Razor-X> Harold: because we all don't have iPods? ;)
[08:04] <Glendos> IIIEars, I was hopiong to rely on the free opensource things available before downloading a GTK 1.x app that's closed source
[08:04] <reka> IIIEars: <Glendos> "...and finally Nero Linux demo works but its not free and not opensource.."
[08:04] <Harold> Razor-X: Who needs an iPod?  I listen to podcasts on an iRiver.
[08:04] <Harold> Razor-X: Or simply on my PC/Mac.
[08:04] <redtech> i dont suppose there is any way to run a .net app in ubuntu?
[08:05] <IIIEars> I agree open source does what i need it to do.
[08:05] <Harold> Razor-X: "Podcast" is just a term.
[08:05] <Glendos> I was going through the source code for Gnomebaker and Graveman...
[08:05] <Glendos> Gnomebaker has 10 times cleaner code
[08:05] <Glendos> 0.4 would be awesome if I could find the bug that causes the segfault
[08:05] <aru> if you a competent enough to go through the code, then you shouldn't get errors :)
[08:05] <Razor-X> s/iPod/somewhat expensive MP3 Player/
[08:06] <reka> dgimusique: ok, to double check, you did the 'adding users' step on the wiki page?
[08:06] <aru> I have never seen any linux code and I don't get any errors :)
[08:06] <IIIEars> aru - lol - you are bad.
[08:06] <bimberi> anacron: the method that comes with the basic install is Rhythmbox (Applications -> sound & Video -> Music Player )
[08:06] <aru> well it's true!
[08:06] <Harold>  Razor-X Again, you don't need an iPod to listen to podcasts.
[08:06] <hacked`> guys
[08:06] <Glendos> aru, I was going to debug it.. but it's not easy...
[08:06] <dgimusique> reka, it tells me i'm not in the sudoers file even when i try that
[08:06] <robotgeek> Razor-X: i started seeing vi replacement strings
[08:06] <Glendos> it's worse with Graveman because the code is written by french dudes
[08:06] <Glendos> and all the variable names are french etc
[08:06] <Glendos> with the comments
[08:06] <aru> Glendos: why not make a perfect cd burner with a nice gnome interface?
[08:06] <hacked`> how many gigs do i need for a basic install of ubuntu (dont need wordprocessing, etc, just some basic compilers, etc)
[08:06] <anacron> bimberi: so i can make my own radio with that?
[08:07] <Harold> Razor-X: bashpodder is a tool that provides command line downloads of podcasts.
[08:07] <hacked`> 5 gb enough ?
[08:07] <aru> hacked`: maybe 1 or 2 :)
[08:07] <Fidelio> seveas, I can't paste the code since ubuntu is on my other system...
[08:07] <reka> dgimusique: logout, then iirc, you can log in as root using the username 'root' or 'rootuser' and the root password you set
[08:07] <hacked`> k, 4 it is
[08:07] <hacked`> thx
[08:07] <reka> dgimusique: then try adding yourself
[08:07] <Glendos> aru, I am thinking of joining the gnomebaker project and help fix it up... I think enough people tried to start from scratch and left a half baked job
[08:07] <IIIEars> heh
[08:07] <reka> Glendos: hehe...pun
[08:07] <desrt> Glendos; work on serpentine instead
[08:07] <Fidelio> but the output gives me almost all the details of the wlan0 card
[08:07] <bimberi> anacron: not sure but I'd say it's "tune in" only
[08:07] <dgimusique> ok thanks reka i'll try that
[08:07] <aru> gnomebaker... baked... nice pun
[08:08] <Glendos> desrt, but baker does audio burning too
[08:08] <Fidelio> except for an IP Address
[08:08] <robotgeek> :q
[08:08] <desrt> Glendos; serpentine does audio
[08:08] <bimberi> anacron: ... but not broadcast
[08:08] <Glendos> reka, :)
[08:08] <desrt> Glendos; also worth improving, probably is nautilus's cd burning support
[08:09] <aru> IIIEars: I wasn't trying to be rude, I've just never seen any code :)
[08:09] <anacron> bimberi: eh, i was asking about broadcasting, sure you can listen streams almost with every player, and i think xmms is good for that
[08:09] <reka> Glendos: i assume you've googled the heck out of 'gnomebaker segfault'?
[08:09] <bimberi> anacron: yes, realise that now, my apologies
[08:10] <Glendos> reka, I have been trying to get a hold of the developers :(
[08:10] <Fidelio> seveas, you still there?
[08:10] <Glendos> reka, 0.4 came out 2-3 days ago... so not much bug reports on it yet
[08:10] <reka> Fidelio: said he'd be back in an hour
[08:10] <Fidelio> cool
[08:11] <NetEcho> Hi I have some questions about the livecd
[08:11] <reka> Glendos: so you got the one that isn't in the repo?
[08:11] <NetEcho> what desktop interface does it use?
[08:11] <Razor-X> Harold_Stdyng_C: how is podcasting?
[08:11] <NetEcho> the AMD64 version
[08:11] <Fidelio> anybody else in here have any experience with DHCP client in Hoary?
[08:11] <reka> NetEcho: gnome
[08:11] <Razor-X> (you influenced me to start learning Ruby ;)
[08:11] <NetEcho> reka what terminals are available?
[08:11] <Razor-X> oh yeah, and I know you aren't here robotgeek but...
[08:11] <Glendos> reka, yes, I compiled the new release from source... the one in the repository is missing a VERY VERY important feature. It won't allow you to name the cds you burn
[08:11] <Razor-X> does it fscking look like a vi replace string?
[08:11] <reka> NetEcho: gnome-terminal, definitely...i think xterm's there as well
[08:11] <Razor-X> no it's fscking not, fscking fsck!
[08:11] <NetEcho> good good
[08:12] <Razor-X> it's a fscking sed fscking replace string
[08:12] <Razor-X> and that's the fscking closest i'm getting to using `vi'
[08:12] <reka> Glendos: :)
[08:12] <Razor-X> ok, enough ranting
[08:12] <NetEcho> I'm doing a gentoo install from it and since Knoppix only comes in x86 I cant install the AMD64 gentoo
[08:12] <Razor-X> Windows made me do that
[08:12] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know the command to config the monitor
[08:12] <Razor-X> I had to troubleshoot Windows, and I came back disgruntled
[08:12] <MrGardenHoseMan> more like refresh rate really
[08:12] <reka> Glendos: does the repo version segfault too?
[08:12] <Fidelio> anybody?
[08:12] <NetEcho> and I only have Knoppix instructions but I guess it would be the same
[08:12] <Glendos> reka, I was shocked :) .. no the rep one doesn't segfault
[08:12] <NetEcho> I hope xterm is there :D
[08:12] <NetEcho> what about xchat and gaim?
[08:13] <Razor-X> NetEcho: xterm is defaulted -- I think
[08:13] <NetEcho> good good
[08:13] <Razor-X> gAIM is in Ubuntu, Kopete in the other
[08:13] <Razor-X> XChat is defaulted
[08:13] <reka> !tell MrGardenHoseMan about fixres
[08:13] <Razor-X> I prefer Eterm meself, but "To Each His Own"
[08:13] <NetEcho> in Ubuntu AMD64 livecd?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> "twin" is an interesting terminal program as well.
[08:13] <MrGardenHoseMan> what do you mean fixres
[08:13] <Glendos> I'm trying to do a Trace see where it segfaults.... what's funny though is that when you turn on trace it doesn't segfault
[08:13] <NetEcho> I prefer command line for some stuff but xterm is pretty good
[08:13] <Glendos> but it made a coaster dvd... invalid FS or something
[08:14] <NetEcho> its been a while since I've been in a *nix environment
[08:14] <reka> MrGardenHoseMan: ubotu sent you a pm
[08:14] <Razor-X> Dr_Willis: twin is awesome
[08:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> just got it :D
[08:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> thx thx
[08:14] <Razor-X> my personally compiled Eterm has native twin support (Etwin)
[08:14] <_frank> !tell _frank about fixres
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> Razor-X,  been twiddling with it on and off for years.. but oddly - its messed up  on this box's console. :(
[08:15] <Razor-X> niiiiiice Eterm
[08:15] <Razor-X> you can see a picture of my desktop/Eterm/emacs if you people wish
[08:15] <Razor-X> they're interchangeable, in my book
[08:15] <reka> Glendos: imho, i'd just use the repo version, and use a pen/texta to label the CD. :)  sounds like the latest one isn't up to scratch.
[08:16] <IIIEars> Razor-X - stroking your eterm online is likely illegal in six states. - j/k
[08:16] <NetEcho> Razor-X I'll be sure to check Eterm out
[08:16] <dgimusique> reka, i tried everything you told me... there is no way i can login into root... it tells me i'm not allowed to login as admin at the login screen
[08:16] <Razor-X> NetEcho: do it ;)
[08:16] <Razor-X> IIIEars: hahaha
[08:16] <IIIEars> heh
[08:16] <Glendos> reka, yes but means I have made a compromise for a trivial feature !! I must find a solution instead of lowering my standards!
[08:16] <reka> ok people, how do you login as root?
[08:17] <reka> (for dgimusique )
[08:17] <aru> reka: dont! :)
[08:17] <Agrajag> reka: sudo
[08:17] <Agrajag> !sudo
[08:17] <Razor-X> it does what rxvt does, with background images and transparency all with half the resources of rxvt ;)
[08:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:17] <anacron> reka: sudo -s
[08:17] <reka> :)
[08:17] <dgimusique> i can't sudo 'Cause it says i'm not in the sudo list!
[08:17] <dgimusique> and i'm the only user!
[08:17] <reka> he gets this: 'dgimusique is not in the sudoers file' when trying to open synaptic
[08:17] <Razor-X> then edit the sudo list
[08:17] <reka> he did
[08:18] <dgimusique> i can'T open the sudo list
[08:18] <reka> oh.
[08:18] <Razor-X> dgimusique: then get a boot floppy
[08:18] <aru> did he use the right password?
[08:18] <highvoltage> you need sudo to edit the sudo list :)
[08:18] <Razor-X> and edit it from there
[08:18] <Razor-X> highvoltage: I understand that
[08:18] <dgimusique> lol my floppy drive doesn't work...
[08:18] <Razor-X> dgimusique: then take a fscking live cd
[08:18] <The_Vox> I still don't understand why some people end up not being in the sudo list when they install
[08:19] <IIIEars> dgimusique - you can always throw down with your uruly os - boot the live cd create some working dirs and edit the fscking sudoer thang
[08:19] <Razor-X> The_Vox: problems like that make sudo a tad bit unreliable
[08:19] <reka> The_Vox: i didn't realise it was a common problem
[08:19] <anacron> The_Vox: i managed to do that with server installing somehow
[08:19] <hacked`> guys, im resizing one of my windows partitions and creating a partition for linux with partition magic, but partition magic is asking me what partition type i want to set it as? unformatted, ext2, ext3 ?
[08:19] <Lone_Striker> need help; just install ubuntu, everything works great but no sound at all, no music; computer is a Compaq Presario 5280; tried configuring the sound like it says on the guide online, still don't work; any suggestions would be accepted.
[08:19] <The_Vox> reka: it's the 3rd user I've seen with that problem since I started coming here a week ago
[08:19] <reka> hacked`: what for?  install? or just for data?
[08:19] <Razor-X> hacked`: for your reference, there is no ``Linux'' partition name ;)
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> hacked`, I would go with unformatted
[08:19] <Razor-X> choose ext3
[08:20] <Razor-X> and also, make some swap space
[08:20] <Razor-X> how much RAM ya got?
[08:20] <The_Vox> Razor-X: I don't think it's a sudo problem...it's more like a corner case getting past the installer
[08:20] <aru> hacked`: format the entire thing, even the windows portion :)
[08:20] <Fidelio> anybody with some knowledge of dhcp3-client?
[08:20] <dbernar1_> and dont forget to wash your hands before eating.
[08:20] <Razor-X> The_Vox: regardless, that makes sudo unreliable
[08:20] <Trackilizer> is there a GUI that can be used to install .deb, .rpm, .tarballs???
[08:20] <anacron> what's the difference between ext2 and 3?
[08:20] <reka> The_Vox: it's the first for me.
[08:20] <Razor-X> The_Vox: by the way, you use nethack?
[08:20] <Lone_Striker> any suggestions?
[08:20] <Razor-X> anacron: ext3 is a journaled fs
[08:20] <aru> Trackilizer: what are you installing?
[08:20] <dbernar1_> get some ice for Razor-X
[08:20] <IIIEars> lol
[08:20] <dbernar1_> i say
[08:20] <The_Vox> Razor-X: it makes sudo unreliable *on ubuntu* :) sudo rocks, tho.
[08:20] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: tar -xvzf isn't _that_ hard
[08:21] <Trackilizer> i know
[08:21] <_frank> Trackilizer: synaptic does .deb
[08:21] <The_Vox> reka: I read my logs <chuckle> :)
[08:21] <Razor-X> The_Vox: i've broken into the habit of sudo'ing nowadays
[08:21] <Lone_Striker> any suggestions?
[08:21] <hacked`> i'll be installing ubuntu on that parition
[08:21] <Razor-X> I used to use su all the time, 'afore
[08:21] <Trackilizer> i wanna have a GUI to install source files
[08:21] <The_Vox> Razor-X: and no, I don't nethack...haven't done that in a long long while
[08:21] <Razor-X> I've had enough GUI for today, especially Windows GUI
[08:21] <Razor-X> The_Vox: gah!
[08:21] <reka> The_Vox: sad...i do that too. :)
[08:21] <aru> Trackilizer: did you see if there is a package with Synaptic?
[08:21] <Razor-X> I would like to know the Dvorak binds you use
[08:21] <Lone_Striker> any of you guys have problem with sounds?
[08:21] <Trackilizer> nah!
[08:21] <anacron> i thing doom-roguelike is better than nethack
[08:22] <Razor-X> aru: if you have Ark, that should do archives real well
[08:22] <aru> Lone_Striker: just loud ones
[08:22] <The_Vox> reka: hehehe
[08:22] <Razor-X> Lone_Striker: depends
[08:22] <aru> Razor-X: you are not allowed to talk to me
[08:22] <_frank> Trackilizer: I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist
[08:22] <Lone_Striker> i have got no sounds
[08:22] <Trackilizer> ubuntu is the only distro that simply "works"
[08:22] <The_Vox> Razor-X: oh! last time I played nethack was pre-dvorak :)
[08:22] <Razor-X> aru: hmmmmm?
[08:22] <Razor-X> errr, not aru
[08:22] <aru> heh
[08:22] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: try ark
[08:22] <Razor-X> The_Vox: gah!
[08:22] <Lone_Striker> any suggestions for making the sound work
[08:22] <reka> Lone_Striker: keep coming back here until crimsun shows up....he's the resident sound guru
[08:22] <Razor-X> I'm one of the few 15 year old Dvorak nethack emacs users, I think ;)
[08:22] <IIIEars> Razor-X - Fix windows? - bah, salvage the files you can and reinstall from a disk image file. - all tweaks patches updates in place.
[08:22] <Razor-X> or anywhere around that age, hah
[08:23] <The_Vox> Razor-X: hehehe
[08:23] <Razor-X> IIIEars: my dad hates Linux, and the like
[08:23] <NetEcho> Trackilizer Slackware works quite well too
[08:23] <Razor-X> NetEcho: HAHAHAHAHAHA
[08:23] <Lone_Striker> crimsun huh?? i could wait.
[08:23] <aru> Trackilizer: I would try using Synaptic and seeing if there is a package available of your mystery software
[08:23] <Lone_Striker> thanks, i could wait
[08:23] <NetEcho> Razor-X I take it you've had problems?
[08:23] <Razor-X> don't reccomend Slack to someone why needs GUI for tar files, there's a skill level needed for Slack XD
[08:23] <NetEcho> I've used Slackware since 8.1
[08:23] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: like I said, try Ark
[08:23] <Lone_Striker> is slackware good?
[08:23] <reka> Lone_Striker: you probably have to...imho, not many people in here know of fixes
[08:23] <NetEcho> it was my first distro lol
[08:23] <Razor-X> NetEcho: Slackware kicks ass, definitely
[08:24] <NetEcho> well
[08:24] <Trackilizer> okie
[08:24] <aru> NetEcho: I did slack 3 installs over a 14.4 modem
[08:24] <RichardC> hey
[08:24] <Trackilizer> ill try it
[08:24] <NetEcho> I used Redhat for 10 minutes lol
[08:24] <Razor-X> ewwww, that hat tastes funny
[08:24] <RichardC> i need to install the package xlibmesa-gl1-dri-trunk
[08:24] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:24] <Lone_Striker> i think i try slackware also.  i could wait for the sound guru
[08:24] <RichardC> it is from the debian repository
[08:24] <aru> we better calm down before they send us to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:24] <NetEcho> Razor-X why do you think I switched
[08:24] <Lone_Striker> thanks though guys or gals
[08:24] <hondje> hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:24] <hondje> Google moon rocks
[08:24] <Razor-X> NetEcho: heh
[08:24] <IIIEars> NetEcho - lucky you. - RH has always been. erm "fun"
[08:24] <NetEcho> al you really need to remember is install to MBR and startx
[08:24] <Trackilizer> where can Ark be found?
[08:24] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: it's probably in the repos
[08:24] <RichardC> does anyone know of a ubuntu deb of this package?
[08:24] <Trackilizer> will have to wait till i get home to install it anyways
[08:25] <RichardC> i need it to get full-speed in some of my games, mainly zsnes
[08:25] <aru> Trackilizer: Applications > Accessories >Archive Manager
[08:25] <Trackilizer> okike
[08:25] <ubuntudriftfast1> is it possible for the irc to be considered an securtiy threat? I doubt it , but Im fresh off a windows and am paranoid
[08:25] <Trackilizer> okie*
[08:25] <IIIEars> Ubuntu by RH would be 4 CDs Ugh!
[08:25] <Trackilizer> thanks for that
[08:25] <Trackilizer> will try as soon as i get home
[08:25] <aru> would be easier if you searched synaptic for the package
[08:25] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: of course it can, in the sense of privacy
[08:25] <Razor-X> IRC is a plain-text protocol
[08:26] <Lone_Striker> sound experts; need help; waiting for crimsum or anyone who knows about sound problem
[08:26] <Razor-X> everything you are transmitting right now, to this channel, can be sniffed and dumped with ease
[08:26] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:26] <ubuntudriftfast1> razor-x by that do you mean that everyone can see what your typing ? :)
[08:26] <reka> RichardC: mixing debian with ubuntu is a no-no, iirc
[08:26] <The_Vox> ubuntudriftfast1: like anything else, if the program has holes, it is a security problem...if the program doesn't have holes, it isn't a security problem.
[08:26] <Razor-X> it can be sniffed anywhere along the chain, as long as traffic isn't encrypted, which I don't think freenode's servers do
[08:26] <IIIEars> Razor-X - anyone can get your ip also. :/
[08:26] <RichardC> reka: that is exactly what i was thinking.  do you know of a place i can get that package for ubuntu?
[08:26] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: no, by that, I mean, if you post anything private using IRC, then someone can sniff your data stream
[08:26] <hondje> freenode does
[08:26] <Razor-X> and yeah, they can obtain your IP too
[08:26] <hondje> well, it CAN
[08:27] <ubuntudriftfast1> alright, well are daemons or services whateva there called a vuln on linux?
[08:27] <ubuntudriftfast1> is there any? Or should I just look for updates?
[08:27] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: you sound like a Windows user, for user ;)
[08:27] <Lone_Striker> sound problem; still waiting
[08:27] <Razor-X> for a second here, how many people hack Linux boxes?
[08:27] <Razor-X> Lone_Striker: what _type_ of sound problem?
[08:27] <IIIEars> If you are "Really" paranoid - grab an inexpensive shell account somwhere and proxy to IRC - O_0
[08:27] <Lone_Striker> no sound at all
[08:28] <Aegir^> So ubuntudriftfast1, who did you piss off who's out to get your server?
[08:28] <reka> RichardC: i can see a xlibmesa-dri package in the ubuntu repos, but not the one you stated.  what does it do exactly?
[08:28] <hondje> It's a bit irresponsible not to pen test yourself
[08:28] <Lone_Striker> no music, sound, etc.
[08:28] <Razor-X> IIIEars: I do that all the time
[08:28] <Razor-X> not paranoia though
[08:28] <Lone_Striker> everything works great though
[08:28] <Razor-X> IIIEars: it's called the ``Windows'' mentality
[08:28] <ubuntudriftfast1> razor-x does ubuntu have any know vulns?
[08:28] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: there are no RPC errors, sorry ;)
[08:29] <Razor-X> most known vulnerabilities are patched
[08:29] <ubuntudriftfast1> I didnt piss off anyone, what do you mean?
[08:29] <Razor-X> and also, think of this
[08:29] <Razor-X> how many people hack Linux boxes
[08:29] <hondje> a lot, Razor-X
[08:29] <IIIEars> Razor-X - Hack me a twenty five minute reinstall - no sweat. no #'s or personal info.
[08:29] <hondje> no one wants your #s or personal info
[08:29] <hondje> they want your internet connection
[08:29] <Razor-X> hondje: I mean hack the box itself
[08:29] <Lone_Striker> sound problem; still waiting
[08:30] <IIIEars> Heh - windows is a ten CD set install that takes 2+ hours to reinstall
[08:30] <ubuntudriftfast1> I always said that linux is more reliable but being open source, i figured it would be easier to get hacked
[08:30] <hondje> it's not easier to get hacked unless you're stupid
[08:30] <Madpilot> yeah, but it's so much easier to zombie an XP box, if you want to 'borrow' someone's internet connection...
[08:30] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: but, there's a key reason why hackers don't
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i think that logic is faulty
[08:30] <highvoltage> ubuntudriftfast1: quite the oposite is true.
[08:30] <ubuntudriftfast1> IIIEars 25 min for reinstall if you do repair
[08:30] <Razor-X> because the majority of the Linux users have securer networks
[08:30] <highvoltage> it's more difficult to hack, being open source. vulnarabilities are fixed quicker.
[08:30] <Razor-X> and the majority of the users of the world _use_ Windows
[08:30] <ubuntudriftfast1> 35 min for full ntfs
[08:30] <hondje> but it's quite easy to get yourself owned pushing buttons, far easier than windows
[08:30] <highvoltage> (and found quicker)
[08:31] <RichardC> reka: im not sure, however, it fixes the same problem i am having for all debian systems.
[08:31] <Lone_Striker> still waiting; no sound problem
[08:31] <IIIEars> nah - i just fdisk and throw in the CD
[08:31] <Razor-X> hondje: it's a very effective intelligence leveller
[08:31] <hondje> per capita, linux is owned as much as windows, at least from what I've seen
[08:31] <ubuntudriftfast1> yea, im on live cd right now so if i mess anything up its all good
[08:31] <hondje> no it's not
[08:32] <Razor-X> hondje: not a chance, for the average home user, Linux is much less common
[08:32] <ubuntudriftfast1> is there a back up program that comes with linux?
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> several :P
[08:32] <hondje> Yes, but there are millions of webservers running linux, file servers, dns, etc etc
[08:32] <ubuntudriftfast1> and how do you find which programs will work on your distro
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> and many more you can download.
[08:32] <Lone_Striker> sound problem; still waiting
[08:32] <hondje> linux is quite often owned
[08:32] <IIIEars> hondje - true - if the hackers are really aiming at your machine you are done. - they hacked spreadfirefox last week a large bank 3 weeks ago. - those companies have huge security budgets
[08:32] <hondje> count the newbies coming in asking simple apache questions
[08:33] <Razor-X> exactly
[08:33] <ubuntudriftfast1> iiiears yea i did a report on the mozilla hacking
[08:33] <hondje> or people running crap like awstats on their little sites, etc
[08:33] <Razor-X> if somene's really after me, then, hell, get me ;)
[08:33] <Razor-X> I have almost nothing of worth, anyways
[08:33] <Lone_Striker> sound problem; still waiting for anyone who could help
[08:33] <ubuntudriftfast1> they said it was for spam :)
[08:33] <hondje> or even having /dev/shm mounted rw and having a webserver
[08:33] <bob2> hacking someone's desktop is harder than hacking spreadfirefox
[08:33] <bob2> since a desktop has n oservices to attack
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> go hack hotmail. :P
[08:33] <tanki> Razor-X, not good to think like that because it's not about what you have it's about the act
[08:33] <bob2> so you need to trick the user into running something themselves, or find a flaw in the kernel tcp/ip stack
[08:33] <ubuntudriftfast1> are all services on linux called daemons
[08:34] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: more or less
[08:34] <Razor-X> tanki: well, I like to think my network's pretty secure
[08:34] <Lone_Striker> sound problem; still waiting
[08:34] <bob2> it depends how you define "service"
[08:34] <Madpilot> deamons sounds cooler than 'services'... ;)
[08:34] <Razor-X> but if you have about 30 people looking through my stuff, making router dumps, pinging ports, etc., then I know i've lost
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> isent a daemon a specific kind of program that automaticially spawns to the background.
[08:34] <hondje> or wait for them to say 'hey, running a ftpd sounds fun!'
[08:34] <bob2> Razor-X: so don\'t run vulnerable services
[08:34] <ubuntudriftfast1> yea its just im learnin windows sever 03 etc.... plus linux on top of it all so im tryin to find similaririteis
[08:34] <Razor-X> bob2: I don't
[08:35] <tanki> Razor-X, if a box is compromised and there's nothing worth stealing, they dont just leave.. they find other uses for it, maybe use it to attack someone else
[08:35] <Razor-X> I have almost any vulnerable port stealthed
[08:35] <Razor-X> tanki: if they take my box, I yank the cord
[08:35] <hondje> 'stealthing' is pointless
[08:35] <IIIEars> Razor-X - not too sure IRC is secure - direct chat is available no?
[08:35] <tanki> Razor-X, i know i'm just speaking in general terms
[08:35] <Razor-X> there's no defense against that
[08:35] <bob2> Dr_Willis: sorta, yeah; one definition might be something that calls the daemon() function, which does that
[08:35] <bob2> Razor-X: "stealthing" gains you no security
[08:35] <Razor-X> or, I just change my IP
[08:35] <Lone_Striker> no sound problem; waiting
[08:36] <Razor-X> Lone_Striker: understand, we aren't paid
[08:36] <ubuntudriftfast1>  raxor-x will ubuntu prepare me for a field in unix , or will i need to use all the distros?
[08:36] <Razor-X> so, when you pay us, you can rant
[08:36] <IIIEars> bufferoverflows not password hacks are the weak spot.
[08:36] <Razor-X> till then shut up and wait
[08:36] <Lone_Striker> i know; just need help
[08:36] <Razor-X> Lone_Striker: no sound at all?
[08:36] <bob2> IIIEars: that still requires exposed vulnerable services
[08:36] <Lone_Striker> yeah
[08:36] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:36] <Razor-X> what sound card?
[08:36] <Razor-X> and also, paste the output of ps -e in pastebin
[08:37] <Lone_Striker> onboard on a Compaq Presario 5280
[08:37] <ubuntudriftfast1> IIIEars - could you write a script so whenever a buffer overflow occurs, you could counterstrike?
[08:37] <Razor-X> ouch
[08:37] <Razor-X> that's probably why
[08:37] <bob2> Lone_Striker: your last 10 lines have all been "sound problem; still waiting", which is higly ineffective
[08:37] <Razor-X> I think your sound card has real crappy linux support
[08:37] <Lone_Striker> what's effective then
[08:37] <tanki> razor, dont forget offtopic heh
[08:37] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: how do you detect a buffer overflow?  how do you know who was responsible?
[08:37] <tanki> must learn to multitask
[08:37] <bob2> Lone_Striker: asking your question sensibly; including details of what isn't working, what is, and what you've tried
[08:37] <Razor-X> I'm pretty crappy at ``multitasking''
[08:37] <bob2> Lone_Striker: also trying the mailing list would be a good idea
[08:38] <ubuntudriftfast1> dont know, im just learning. Maybe set a limit in the web browser
[08:38] <Razor-X> comes with those hormones I hear
[08:38] <Razor-X> told ja they're useless ;)
[08:38] <tanki> Razor-X, just odd you reply here but not there
[08:38] <Lone_Striker> i have tried configuring like the help that's on the site but still doesn't work
[08:38] <Razor-X> tanki: because, I see the little thingie in the bottom of my buffer, but don't bother to change buffers
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> reading about your card at  the "alsa" homepage - is a good start
[08:38] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 isnt the character limit like 255 or something like that. Maybe do an if then else statement?
[08:38] <Lone_Striker> i checked the bios and no problem
[08:38] <IIIEars> tripwire and other apps are mostly useful after the damage has been done.
[08:38] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: not all buffers have a 255 limit
[08:39] <Lone_Striker> new to linux so don't know what else to do
[08:39] <hondje> there's always grsec, pax, selinux, etc
[08:39] <ubuntudriftfast1> give or take how many?'
[08:39] <hondje> rsbac is neat
[08:39] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: if you could detect a buffer overflow, you'd just stop it
[08:39] <ubuntudriftfast1> I thought they did the buffer overflow once they were already in the machine, i guess i have alot more learning to do\
[08:40] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: no, you can remote buffer overflow
[08:40] <bob2> it can be used at either time
[08:40] <Razor-X> and while this is outdated, you can try and peruse through ``Smashing the stack for fun and profit'' if you know some C
[08:40] <bob2> remote buffer overflows are critical security issues, which don't happen very often
[08:40] <IIIEars> ubuntudriftfast1, - the next generation of processors have a "no execute bit" set in RAM that marks segemnts as data/executable. (64 bit)
[08:40] <bimberi> Lone_Striker: Hah - I was about to point Lone_Striker to  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=19639&postcount=8
[08:40] <bob2> er, that's unrelated to them being 64-bit
[08:41] <La_PaRCa> IIIEars, NX is dead on arrival. Its not gonna stick.
[08:41] <bob2> and I'm pretty sure other architectures have had it for years
[08:41] <ubuntudriftfast1> just a new feature that prevents the exe on buffer overflow?
[08:41] <IIIEars> not perfect still a few brand new "'sploits" out for 64 bit
[08:41] <Razor-X> also ``Buffer Overflow Demystified''
[08:41] <bob2> I think you mean "amd64" instead of 64-bit
[08:41] <Razor-X> and ``IP Spoofing Demystified''
[08:41] <bob2> which is an important, if subtle, difference
[08:41] <Razor-X> nice articles from when the internet was a free-er place
[08:41] <IIIEars> La_PaRCa, - yep - you have been reading a "heap" haven't you?
[08:41] <aleksi_> what mail server would you recommend for trying and learning purposes?
[08:42] <hondje> or use pax, tends to make overflows pointless
[08:42] <bob2> aleksi_: postfix
[08:42] <tanki> I think it was free-er because nobody would pay lots of money for slow speeds heh
[08:42] <La_PaRCa> IIIEars, oh... subtle...
[08:42] <Trackilizer> who uses ubuntu in thier job?
[08:42] <IIIEars> Subtle? - oops. - lol - not usually
[08:42] <Trackilizer> what for?
[08:43] <hondje> making pretty pictures
[08:43] <Trackilizer> lol
[08:43] <Trackilizer> lol*
[08:43] <ubuntudriftfast1> has anyone used Blade Servers
[08:43] <Trackilizer> honestly?
[08:43] <hondje> or doing various pointless things with data
[08:43] <hondje> yeah
[08:43] <Razor-X> well, nowadays, articles like that are seriously taboo
[08:43] <hondje> graphs, charts, histograms, etc
[08:43] <La_PaRCa> IIIEars, oh sorry, I dont know the proper markup for sarcasm
[08:43] <ubuntudriftfast1> is there anything that prepares you for it?
[08:43] <tanki> you have to give props to people who can sell linux to a wincentric supervisor, they're pretty hard to win over
[08:43] <Razor-X> because most people nowadays are pricks
[08:43] <rommer> i have a couple of identical computers that i am looking to turn into a cluster using ubuntu linux, anyone have an idea on how to do this
[08:43] <Trackilizer> but that isnt your job.. ist it?
[08:43] <IIIEars> heh
[08:43] <Trackilizer> is*
[08:43] <hondje> Trackilizer: yes, that's my job
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: I don't think they're really that different to other machines
[08:44] <PoopinClumpin> rommer, it depends on what kind of cluster you want vs. what kind of cluster you need
[08:44] <Ghetek> where is fstab located?
[08:44] <aleksi_> know any good guide for postfix?
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> theres a great many cluster linux sites out.. and even a few cluster-linux focused disrtos.
[08:44] <Trackilizer> so you get payed for making pics?
[08:44] <Trackilizer> wtf?
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: aside from being physically small
[08:44] <bob2> Ghetek: /etc/
[08:44] <La_PaRCa> I used to have a blade server... had to trash it... it kept killing all my daemons ;)
[08:44] <IIIEars> my 2 cents doesn't have any mark up value....
[08:44] <hondje> I suppose I do stupid stuff like writing memos and going to meetings, too
[08:44] <bob2> aleksi_: I hear the o'reilly book is pretty good
[08:44] <Ghetek> bob2 thanks
[08:44] <hondje> Yes, I get paid to make pictures
[08:44] <Razor-X> O' Reilly makes good books
[08:44] <tanki> but you have to admit some of microsoft's licensing does more to advocate an alternative like linux than most loyal geeks, especially for small to medium sized businesses who can't afford it
[08:44] <Razor-X> the best for Linux things, IMO
[08:44] <gijosh> Silly question here.  But, how do you delete a director.  I know rm does files...
[08:44] <La_PaRCa> IIIEars, see? Thats good humor.