[02:11] <Chelsea_Jurgens> Hi, anyone around to help me with a permissions question
[02:12] <ianorlin> what is the permissions question
[02:13] <Chelsea_Jurgens> well i am trying to configure openvpn client, and i believe one of the steps is moving some files into etc/openvpn
[02:13] <Chelsea_Jurgens> currently says permission denied
[02:14] <krytarik> !sudo | Chelsea_Jurgens
[02:14] <ianorlin> yes because normal users don't have write permissions there
[02:14] <Chelsea_Jurgens> how would i change the permissions?
[02:14] <Chelsea_Jurgens> sudo chmod
[02:14] <ianorlin> or just move the files with sudo
[02:15] <Chelsea_Jurgens> how would i do either?
[02:18] <ianorlin> sodu mv file /etc/openvpn
[02:19] <Chelsea_Jurgens> and how could i confirm its there if i do not have permission
[02:20] <ianorlin> you have read permissions normally
[02:21] <holstein> !vpn
[02:23] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i 'll try
[02:23] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: do you have sudo permission on the machine?
[02:23] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i dont understand how i can run the ovpn file if i cannot access the directory etc/openvpn
[02:24] <Chelsea_Jurgens> yes i believe i do
[02:24] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: confirm, then, you'll have all the permission you need
[02:24] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: in a terminal, sudo -i should give you a root shell
[02:24] <Chelsea_Jurgens> it does
[02:25] <holstein> so, you have permission to do what you need
[02:25] <holstein> should be able to use a GUI
[02:25] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient
[02:26] <holstein> !info network-manager-pptp
[02:26] <holstein> for example..
[02:27] <Chelsea_Jurgens> ahh i see
[02:27] <Chelsea_Jurgens> doing root gave me access to the folder
[02:28] <Chelsea_Jurgens> now i just need to know how to get it to work, as when i tried connecting it failed
[02:29] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: sure.. try to get what to work?
[02:30] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: i would read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient and add the part of the GUI that "just works" for your needs
[02:30] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: you shouldnt need to do much in the commandline for a client
[02:31] <Chelsea_Jurgens> the only files i was provided was a.crt file and a .ovpn file
[02:31] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: sure.. provided by whom? for what? and why?
[02:31] <Chelsea_Jurgens> it's for work
[02:31] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: you should be able to get the credentials for the server, and use the tools i link to connect
[02:32] <holstein> if they require a tool that is not part of linux, then, you can have issues
[02:32] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: do you know what tool this is? what server? do you have credentials?
[02:32] <Chelsea_Jurgens> not sure exactly what i need, i was given a username and password
[02:32] <Chelsea_Jurgens> as well as a .crt file and .ovpn file
[02:32] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager is more like what i would expect to do
[02:33] <holstein> if "they" gave you instructions, you can try folowing them
[02:33] <holstein> but, i would make a note of what you do as root..
[02:33] <holstein> and , konw how to undo that..
[02:34] <Chelsea_Jurgens> no instructions... do i just need a user certificate, ca certificate and private key?
[02:34] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: right. those are the questions to ask the provider of the server, correct
[02:35] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: otherwise, use the links i provided, and try the credentials you have in the GUI
[02:35] <holstein> the URL, or ip. the port.. the username, and password
[02:35] <holstein> im creating a VPN for my girlfriend to use.. i'll just do simple pptp, and give her the credentials
[02:35] <holstein> the URL, port, user and pass
[02:36] <holstein> you can see at http://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager that those files you link and where to deal with them in the GUI are mentioned
[02:37] <Chelsea_Jurgens> interesting
[02:38] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i must be missing some info
[02:38] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i just requested from my tech guy if he has a user certificate and a private key for me
[02:38] <Chelsea_Jurgens> .crt and .key file
[02:41] <holstein> sure
[02:41] <holstein> try just putting them where he suggested
[02:41] <holstein> should have information in the links i gave.. just try and keep moving.. try with a live iso, if you are "afraid" to break something
[02:41] <holstein> just try putting the files where the GUI states,..
[02:47] <Chelsea_Jurgens> hmm
[02:51] <Chelsea_Jurgens> thanks a lot for the help holstein
[02:51] <Chelsea_Jurgens> i'll dig deeper
[03:01] <holstein> Chelsea_Jurgens: sure.. reminded me to set mine up :)
[18:02] <kelte> hallo
[18:02] <kelte> sind damen mit dicken titten hier
[23:13] <[FR]Dae> Bonsoir, l'un d'entre vous pourrais t'il m'aider avec mon problème ? je n'ai plus de son =) --- Hi ! i have some problemes, i don't have sound can you help me ?
[23:13] <wxl> !fr | [FR]Dae
[23:13] <wxl> if you need help in english, i may be able to assist, [FR]Dae
[23:14] <holstein> !audio
[23:55] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Lubuntu
[23:59] <[FR]Dae> wxl ? Lubuntu 15.04 is on LXQT ?
[23:59] <wxl> oops!
[23:59] <wxl> [FR]Dae: not yet


[23:05] <Darksmurf> Anyone know if there is work being done on bluetooth dun GUI support?
[23:10] <bow^znc_> the network manager 0.7 mobile broadband integration supposedly works with blueman 1.0 svn


[00:35] <haixd1999> I'm trying to install lubuntu (latest version) to a laptop via live USB. it seems to be hanging (as in not frozen) on a step. any suggestions? is this normal?
[03:50] <StevenGFX> I get an unable to locate package error when trying install lubuntu-qt-desktop to test. Can anyone help me resolve that?
[03:59] <wxl> StevenGFX: did you not see the warnings?
[03:59] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
[04:00] <StevenGFX> im blind! XD
[18:09] <prashantc13> hola
[19:23] <Guest60226> hello?
[19:24] <Guest60226> .
[19:24] <Guest60226> i cant even work the chat
[19:24] <Guest60226> kms
[19:24] <wxl> Guest60226: seems like you just worked it.
[19:25] <Guest60226> can you help me?
[19:25] <wxl> depends on what your problem is
[19:25] <Guest60226> why is your name black now?
[19:26] <Guest60226> K.
[19:26] <wxl> i don't use the client you use, so i'm not sure, but my guess is it's because i didn't hilight your nick
[19:26] <Guest60226> can you help with my linux problems?
[19:26] <wxl> for example, Guest60226, this line probably ends up colored
[19:26] <wxl> depends on what your problem is
[19:27] <wxl> in general, it's probably best to just ask your question
[19:27] <Guest60226> my computer is slow than when itt had windows.
[19:27] <Guest60226> cant figure out what's wrong.
[19:27] <wxl> which computer? which version of what distro and what version of windows? how much ram and hard drive space do you have? what cpu?
[19:31] <Guest60226> some shitty laptop, idk distro it had windows 7 home prem. has 3.6gb  of ram AMD E-450 Apu with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics 1650.00Mhz and Amd E-450 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics 1320.00Mhz
[19:31] <wxl> !language
[19:31] <Guest60226> okay, sorry.
[19:32] <wxl> sounds like you have the specs to make it work
[19:32] <Guest60226> it runs soooo slow
[19:32] <wxl> what linux distribution and version are you using?
[19:32] <wxl> and how much hard drive space?
[19:32] <Guest60226> and i cant even play osrs.
[19:32] <Guest60226> at least 250gb open
[19:33] <wxl> you know how to use pastebin?
[19:33] <wxl> better yet, pastebinit?
[19:33] <Guest60226> ik how to press ctrl v and c
[19:33] <Guest60226> or c and v, lol.
[19:34] <wxl> give me the output of `ps aux --sort -rss`
[19:35] <wxl> for that matter, what's your uptimes like?
[19:35] <Guest60226> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND cannapi+  4018 25.3 12.4 1250244 452416 ?      Sl   15:10   6:03 /usr/lib/firefo cannapi+  3682  1.2  3.6<PHONE_NUMBER>04 ?       SNl  15:07   0:20 /usr/bin/python root       731 11.2  2.2<PHONE_NUMBER>6 tty7     Ssl+ 14:52   4:46 /usr/lib/xorg/X cannapi+  1049  0.4  1.7<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   14:52   0:12 pcmanfm --deskt cannapi+  1076  0.1  1.5 675560 549
[19:35] <Guest60226> that isnt all of it
[19:35] <wxl> pastebin
[19:35] <wxl> pastebin
[19:35] <wxl> pastebin
[19:36] <TheSchaf> i think he doesnt know what you meant with pastebin :P
[19:36] <Guest60226> http://pastebin.com/hvX9gf5i
[19:37] <Guest60226> i do
[19:37] <wxl> 12% of your memory is being used by firefox alone
[19:37] <wxl> not to mention 25% of your cpu
[19:37] <Guest60226> can u plz help?
[19:38] <wxl> you're running some python thing too?
[19:38] <Guest60226> no im not?
[19:38] <wxl> cannapi+  3682  1.2  3.6<PHONE_NUMBER>04 ?       SNl  15:07   0:20 /usr/bin/python
[19:38] <wxl> that's eating 3.6% of your memory
[19:38] <Guest60226> how do i stop it?
[19:39] <wxl> well it might be good to figure out what it is first
[19:39] <wxl> but you can just do kill 3682
[19:39] <wxl> what does `uptime` output?
[19:39] <wxl> and what about `free -m`?
[19:39] <Guest60226>  up 47 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.28, 0.53, 0.65
[19:39] <wxl> ^^ that right there suggests it's not running very slow
[19:40] <Guest60226>              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available Mem:           3552         569        1942          29        1040        2703 Swap:          3688           0        3688
[19:40] <Guest60226> i get 14-20 fps on osrs
[19:40] <Guest60226> and my sound doesnt work on this pc
[19:40] <wxl> might have nothing to do with "slow"
[19:41] <wxl> might have everything to do with things like what graphics driver you're using and what specifically you're trying to use sound with
[19:41] <Guest60226> sound with my built in laptop speakers
[19:41] <wxl> but with load averages under 1.00 and free memory on the order of 2GB, you have enough resources
[19:41] <wxl> is firefox running slow?
[19:42] <Guest60226> .25 second delay on tabs closing
[19:42] <Guest60226> more of a graphic thing than the actual response time
[19:42] <wxl> soo
[19:42] <wxl> points to a graphics issue
[19:42] <wxl> lspci -nnk
[19:43] <wxl> as for sound, i'd start with running `speaker-test`. if it works, sound works.
[19:43] <wxl> use -t sine if you'd prefer that to pink noise
[19:44] <Guest60226> how do i stop the static
[19:44] <wxl> it'll stop after a while
[19:44] <wxl> you can also do killall speaker-test
[19:44] <Guest60226> it is spamming front left in  terminal
[19:44] <Guest60226> -t sine
[19:44] <Guest60226> oops lol
[19:44] <wxl> so your sound works
[19:45] <Guest60226> still spamming front left
[19:45] <wxl> did you `killall speaker-test`
[19:45] <wxl> ?
[19:45] <Guest60226> no
[19:45] <Guest60226> i want it to chekck the right
[19:46] <Guest60226> the killall didnt work
[19:46] <Guest60226> i had to close terminal
[19:48] <Guest60226> hey'
[19:49] <Guest60226> youtube sound works but it doesnt work on my game
[19:53] <Guest60226> wxl?
[19:54] <wxl> sorry at work
[19:54] <Guest60226> it's fine.
[19:56] <wxl> anyways the defaults for speaker-test kind of sucks
[19:56] <Guest60226> speakers work
[19:56] <wxl> if you do `speaker-test -c2 -l1` it will do front left, then front right, then exit
[19:56] <wxl> ok so now your sound works but it doesn't on this old school rune scape thing?
[19:56] <Guest60226> but game doesnt make sound and runs at 7- 13 fps
[19:57] <wxl> i would contact them about the sound
[19:57] <wxl> obviously your sound DOES work
[19:57] <Guest60226> contact who?
[19:57] <wxl> regarding the graphics, pastebin the output of `lspci --nk`
[19:57] <wxl> whoever develops the game
[19:58] <Guest60226> lol they use fb and twitter
[19:58] <Guest60226> i dont have twitter and i have been messaging them for a week
[19:58] <wxl> yes, but we do not claim to support this game
[19:58] <Guest60226> ik
[19:58] <wxl> i have absolutely zero understanding of it
[19:58] <Guest60226> i know can with work on graphics tho
[19:59] <Guest60226> http://pastebin.com/FpFqzkSE
[19:59] <Guest60226> that is the command output
[20:00] <Guest60226> with the game running
[20:00] <wxl> oops
[20:00] <wxl> lspci -nnk
[20:02] <Guest60226> http://pastebin.com/0PEi25kD
[20:02] <Guest60226> with game running
[20:04] <wxl> again what version of lubuntu are you on?
[20:04] <Guest60226> can u tell me how to check :D
[20:05] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[20:05] <Guest60226> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial
[20:05] <wxl> k
[20:07] <wxl> i don't see the 6320 on the fully supported list https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#Fully_supported
[20:08] <Guest60226> how do i fix this?
[20:08] <TheSchaf> buy a new laptop
[20:08] <wxl> hahahah yeah :)
[20:08] <wxl> pastebin up `dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[20:08] <Guest60226> i hate linux
[20:08] <Guest60226> should have kept windows
[20:08] <Guest60226> at least everything worked :/
[20:08] <wxl> i thought it was slow as windows was?
[20:09] <Guest60226> no
[20:09] <Guest60226> way slower
[20:09] <Guest60226> like i got 40 fps +
[20:09] <Guest60226> i just wanted more
[20:09] <Guest60226> now i have 13 max
[20:09] <wxl> well for one, you're throwing your hands up in the air
[20:09] <wxl> rather than continuing to try to figure this out
[20:10] <wxl> but you're also assuming a little too much, i.e. that some old hardware that no one really uses is going to be well supported by a bunch of volunteers
[20:10] <Guest60226> dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon
[20:10] <wxl> for that matter, i doubt windows 10 works very well
[20:10] <wxl> `dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[20:10] <wxl> oops
[20:10] <wxl> nix the `
[20:10] <Guest60226> still nothing
[20:11] <wxl> oh so no errors then
[20:11] <wxl> strange
[20:11] <wxl> then i'd try the proprietary driver https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[20:12] <wxl> that's the one actually made by amd
[20:12] <Guest60226> i dont understand any of it
[20:13] <Guest60226> what am i downloading and how do i install it?
[20:13] <wxl> don't try to understand it
[20:13] <wxl> just start at the top
[20:13] <Guest60226> am i just putting in those commands?\
[20:13] <wxl> you're downloading the proprietary (read: commercial) version of the driver
[20:13] <wxl> well no
[20:13] <wxl> you start by reading
[20:13] <Guest60226> lol dude
[20:13] <wxl> start with the list "before you get started"
[20:13] <Guest60226> By default Ubuntu uses the open source Radeon driver for cards manufactured by AMD. However, the proprietary fglrx driver (known as AMD Catalyst or AMD Radeon Software) is made available for those who would like to use it. The instructions on this page advise on how to install and use fglrx.
[20:14] <Guest60226> made no sense
[20:14] <wxl> start with the list "before you get started"
[20:15] <Guest60226> couldnt even complete step 1
[20:16] <Guest60226> lol
[20:16] <wxl> yeah if you can't go to a website, that's certainly a problem
[20:16] <Guest60226> went to it
[20:16] <Guest60226> then it said if u have linux do manual
[20:16] <Guest60226> and i tried manual
[20:16] <wxl> nope
[20:16] <Guest60226> but there is only n/a for the 3rd option and blank for the last
[20:17] <wxl> that's because you need to start with 1
[20:17] <wxl> usually when you do things in order, it's best to start with the first thing and then only move to the next thing after completing the previous thing
[20:17] <wxl> skipping steps usually doesn't help either
[20:19] <Guest60226> i went to the website
[20:19] <Guest60226> it said auto download
[20:19] <Guest60226> or manual
[20:19] <Guest60226> the auto said if u have linux do manual
[20:19] <Guest60226> so i tried manual
[20:19] <Guest60226> what is wrond with step 1?
[20:20] <wxl> how many steps are in the manual section?
[20:20] <Guest60226> 5 including display results
[20:20] <wxl> and what did you put in for 1?
[20:21] <Guest60226> APU
[20:21] <wxl> nope
[20:21] <wxl> desktop graphics
[20:21] <wxl> sorry
[20:21] <wxl> notebook
[20:21] <Guest60226> not integrated?
[20:21] <wxl> nope
[20:22] <Guest60226> what series?
[20:22] <wxl> i mean feel free to cycle through all the options, but the values of each level are dependent on the values of the previous level
[20:22] <wxl> hd series i'd imagine considering it's a HD 6320
[20:23] <wxl> https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1002/9806
[20:24] <Guest60226> hd 6xxxm series?
[20:24] <wxl> your guess is as good as mien
[20:25] <Guest60226> how about auto detect and install?
[20:26] <wxl> not sure it will work
[20:26] <wxl> you sure can try
[20:28] <Guest60226> 8 different downloads after show results
[21:34] <wxl> whaaat?


[00:01] <wxl> Qt supports the static features of SVG 1.2 Tiny. ECMA scripts and DOM manipulation are currently not supported.
[00:01] <wxl> ^^ quote from the website. does that help?
[00:01] <wxl> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/feature/1.2/#SVG-static << static features
[00:02] <wxl> 1.2 tiny spec https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/
 @wxl [<wxl> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/feature/1.2/#SVG-static << static features], guess it means that I can use SMIL?
[00:09] <wxl> don't think so. animation isn't involved in that list
[00:11] <wxl> qtsvg does support animation though, so....
[00:12] <wxl> seems there's SOME sort of confusion, as seen here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23095732/why-do-animated-elements-in-qtsvg-need-to-be-of-type-animatetransform-in-order-t
 https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/animate.html
[00:12] <wxl> yes, but they only do the static features
[00:12] <wxl> nothing else
[00:12] <wxl> not the entirety of the 1.2 tiny spec
 I’ve found function “animated()” here: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qsvgrenderer.html does it change anything?
 Actually it’s not a best idea to animate parts of UI inside of SVG.
[00:25] <wxl> yeah i'm not sure. haven't played with it honestly.
[00:27] <wxl> do you do irc at all?
 @wxl [<wxl> do you do irc at all?], Used it in the past. When I was 15 years old.
[00:30] <wxl> there is a #qt channel on freenode
 Welcome @Zlaty
 If you find any issue you think it must be enhanced, feel free to share it here. More are eyes are better. For example, there has been a lot of critics over the volume icon in the panel, we didn't notice that before
 @HMollerCl [If you find any issue you think it must be enhanced, feel free to share it here. …], I have experience of installing 18.10 with LXQt on weak(but modern: Gigabyte Brix BACE-3160 / Celeron J3160, 4Gb RAM, etc.) PC. Unfortunately, it wasn't close to LXDE in performance meaning.
 Somehow I turned on the translucent mode of UI, and it almost decreased performance to Windows 10 level.
 It’s not representative feedback because I just started exploring LXQt.
 But the main feature of lubuntu always was lightweight.
[01:15] <lynorian> zlaty: turn off compton then it is not nessecary
[01:16] <lynorian> it is off by default becasue of performance
 Mmm, Compton, which creates transparency effects, consumes recourses. I haven't test that much but I believe that the amount of recourses used depends on how much effects you have configured
[01:17] <wxl> also for perspective: lxde is really not being developed very well. if and when they do manage to get gtk3 compatibility working, it will not be as lightweight as lxqt. the comparison between old lxde and current lxqt really isn't fair
 That's why I believe Compton should not be enable by default
 I've done comparison between lxde and lxqt system task (panel, file manager, etc...) and lxqt is lighter than lxde in those
 You could also disable qlipper if you don't use it
[01:20] <zlaty> HMollerCl: lynorian is right about compton, i guess trouble was in it
[01:21] <lynorian> that too I personally on my computer with 16 GB of ram and an amd ryzen 3 2200G I only have shadows but that is
[01:22] <wxl> i also wonder if it's not possible that the celeron might not lack certain capabilities newer processors might have, regardless of speed
[01:24] <zlaty> wxl: PC was connected to 4K TV for monitoring purposes
[01:24] <lynorian> wait J is rebadged atom stuff so it was never that powerful to begin with
[01:25] <wxl> i'm thinking somewhat less about speed and more about optimizations for certain tasks where perhaps building around modern processors certain graphical tasks might not perform as well on the older stuff
[01:25] <wxl> but yeah atom--- eww
[01:27] <lynorian> no the more recent atom based stuff probably is not really that good at 4k
[01:27] <lynorian> wxl that processor is like one of the way later ones
[01:37] <lynorian> https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad/issues/57 yay
[02:14] <Wafficus> hey guys, any updates in terms of that i3 manual addition?
[02:14] <Wafficus> just wondering cause I got my laptop booted up again, and wanted to mess around with it for a bit
 Any thoughts on apper? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apper @acheronuk ?
 Why don't we have it in lubuntu @tsimonq2 ?
[03:43] <Wafficus> what's apper?
 Package managee
 And software center
 You can install it is in the repos
[03:45] <Wafficus> ah I see
[03:45] <Wafficus> you know what would be a cool thing I could possibly do the for the new release though
[03:46] <Wafficus> to make a startup sound
[03:46] <Wafficus> does anyone think this would be cool or no?
[03:46] <Wafficus> a set of like 5 startup synth type openings
[03:46] <Wafficus> reminiscent of like Windows 98, MacOS, etc
[04:31] <Wafficus> also, has anyone ever gotten w3m-img to work with Q Terminal or is that not supported? I installed it via Muon package manager, but I still don't see any images in w3m by default while using Tmux plus QTerminal
 @Zlaty [I’m not specialized in raster graphics, but I can make a few wallpapers(actually …], Not currently, but something I should add to my todo list hopefully I'll have some non Lubuntu stuff wrapped up in a couple weeks and slam some of that stuff out.
 @Zlaty [I’m not specialized in raster graphics, but I can make a few wallpapers(actually …], Next codename is "disco dingo"
 @HMollerCl [Next codename is "disco dingo"], Nice. Thats sound so cool!
[16:05] <phoe6> Hello, I noticed a bug in Lubuntu 18.10 where I cannot change the default browser from firefox to something else.
[16:06] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IReQNwvl/
[16:06] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vGSlRHan/
[16:06] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1pQRLXfG/
[16:07] <phoe6> Why does xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf go with a default browser as firefox?
[16:10] <apt-ghetto> It was set by tsimonq2
[16:11] <phoe6> Only after I manually change that to chromium-browser, the Lubuntu recognized my default app change.
[16:11] <phoe6> Even changing to chromium-browser does not look correct to me.
[16:11] <phoe6> It should not be hardcoded
[16:12] <phoe6> I propose we remove that BROWSER variable from xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf
[16:12] <phoe6> Bug report or patch? How can I go about this?
[16:13] <apt-ghetto> Please write a bug report, so it can be discussed first
[16:14] <apt-ghetto> You can create a task on https://phab.lubuntu.me or a bug report on https://launchpad.net
 This is our wiki link on reporting bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[16:16] <apt-ghetto> The package is: lubuntu-default-settings
 There is a report of this issue already, feel free to add a comment there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lxqt/+bug/1795539
 We also have a task in phab https://phab.lubuntu.me/T164
[16:29] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 wxl it looks like lugito dropped out.
[16:35] <phoe6> Here we go https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177
 ...
 someone want to assist Simon (@tsimonq2) and his lazy oversleeping butt with providing me a link to maybe this known bug so I can answer the question here on Ask Ubuntu?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1107054/when-minimized-lxpanels-2nd-level-selection-is-unselectable
 like maybe wxl or someone?
 :P
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Looking at fixing Lugito real quick.
[20:55] <teward> broken bot is broken heheheh
[20:55] <teward> :P
[20:56] <tsimonq2> Oh, somehow it got killed. Cool.
[20:56] <tsimonq2> It's back to life now.
[20:56] <tsimonq2> Should start processing items Shortly.
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 spam time!
[20:58] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: Unable to change the default browser on Lubuntu 18.10] orsenthil (Senthil Kumaran) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3550
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[21:01] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8705ffe17516: Fix warning] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8705ffe17516
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[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[09:00] <noneOfThem> Hello everyone!
[09:01] <dholbach> http://ubuntuonair.com/ updated
[09:01] <dholbach> you might have to reload the page
[09:03] <noneOfThem> What's the status of "Ubuntu for Android"? I really would like to try that out on my Nexus.
[09:06] <Nabeel> :)
[09:07] <Barzogh> Morning all :)
[09:07] <Barzogh> long time no see didier :D
[09:08] <Barzogh> dholbach: you should come to see us  here in Paris it would be great :)
[09:12] <dholbach> if you have questions for Didier, please ask
[09:24] <dholbach> any questions for Didier?
[09:27] <robin-gloster1> dholbach we can hear you
[09:28] <dholbach> audio difficulties?
[09:28] <teamunix> team unixxx!
[09:29] <noneOfThem> What's the status of "Ubuntu for Android"? I really would like to try that out on my Nexus.
[09:31] <teamunix> Arm support good?
[09:33] <teamunix> intresting
[09:37] <noneOfThem> Any news on Nautilus? Is Canonical working on a fork or what can we expect in future releases of Ubuntu?
[09:46] <dholbach> any more questions for Didier?
[09:48] <xRogue> It will be something like Unity 2d for cases when there is no video acceleration (maybe something based on Wayland / Weston)?
[09:49] <noneOfThem> APE is a sound format.
[09:49] <xRogue> yes is slow :)
[09:55] <dholbach> we have 5 minutes left - any last questions for Didier? :)
[09:56] <noneOfThem> Any news on a new proper Calendar application/indicator?
[09:57] <xRogue> Widgets? Hot Corners? Possibility to add Stacks To The Unity Launcher like `Drawers` app.?
[10:05] <Barzogh> dholbach: ping
[10:05] <dholbach> Barzogh, pong
[10:05] <Barzogh> i listened to all the hangout :)  you should come to see us in Paris  , it would be great :)
[10:06] <dholbach> yes, you're right - I haven't been to Paris in a long while
[10:06] <dholbach> all I can say is that it won't be this year though :)
[10:07] <Barzogh> i know didrocks a little, he is the one that motivated me to make my first ubuntu package :)
[10:07] <Barzogh> ho try next year
[10:07] <dholbach> ha, that's great :)
[10:07] <dholbach> I'm glad didrocks dragged you into it :)
[10:07] <Barzogh> i'll give you the date for the next Ubuntu party :)
[10:08] <dholbach> perfect :)
[10:40] <cerebrux> hi !
[12:20] <saurabh5647> is the ubuntu hangout finished?
[12:41] <JayD> Wondering about the status and focus of improving Ubuntu accessibility, particularily for the blind and vision impaired. Is there focus on better integration of text-to-speech / voice over technologies?
[19:46] <bobweaver> This is live ?
[19:46] <bobweaver> Oh it is gone happend at 4am my time
[22:28] <SJUDGE> How can Canonical/Ubuntu address installing Ubuntu in Dual Boot on the new Hybrid Drives (SSD+HDD=RAID). I have a new Dell Inspiron 14z with Intel Rapid Boot. I can't find away to install Ubuntu without removing the RAID and Intel Rapid Boot technologies. I'd like to take advantage of the SSD and install Ubuntu Root on the SSD and Home on the HDD. Can't find a safe viable solution.


[00:00] <webPragmatist> my ftp client must be setting the chmod?
[00:00] <qman__> drwxrwsr-x  15 ryan smbusers 4.0K 2010-07-16 21:17 Tools
[00:00] <qman__> that's what it should look like
[00:00] <webPragmatist> yea
[00:00] <webPragmatist> my ftp app is setting the permission implictly
[00:01] <webPragmatist> on directories atleast
[00:01] <webPragmatist> files it does okay
[00:01] <qman__> the other option, and this is how I found that bit in the mount manual
[00:01] <qman__> is to mount your filesystem with the grpid option
[00:01] <webPragmatist> is implicitly set it  with moun
[00:01] <qman__> that makes it behave like setgid is set
[00:02] <webPragmatist> does it force it to do be that gid?
[00:02] <webPragmatist> instead of this weird crap where it the user can make it whatever gid
[00:02] <qman__> all it does is cause new files that are created to inherit the group ID from the parent directory, instead of the group-owner of the process that creates it
[00:02] <webPragmatist> hrm
[00:02] <qman__> it does not affect the user's ability to change the group-owner
[00:03] <webPragmatist> fallacies of using sshd for ftp or something?
[00:03] <qman__> not at all
[00:04] <qman__> ftp would have this same problem in the same scenario
[00:04] <webPragmatist> hrm
[00:04] <qman__> it's a simple system permissions and data structure problem
[00:05] <qman__> when you give multiple users write access and the ability to change permissions, you will run into this stuff
[00:05] <webPragmatist> well with ftp could you prevent a user from changing permissions?
[00:05] <qman__> not that I'm aware of, unless it was a special option in a particular ftpd
[00:06] <qman__> let me check if there's a setting for that
[00:06] <webPragmatist> well i don't really care to have an ftpd tbh
[00:07] <qman__> I wouldn't
[00:07] <qman__> doesn't look like anything in chattr for that
[00:08] <qman__> so you'd have to use apparmor or selinux or something
[01:14] <dominicdinada> Anybody hear anything about any 3rd party module support from webmin yet ?
[01:15] <qman__> I have a file with a list of directories, which contains unescaped symbols and spaces
[01:16] <qman__> I need to process this with a for loop, so I need to escape them
[01:16] <qman__> is there an easy way to do that to the entire file?
[01:20] <qman__> nevermind that, I found a different way to approach the problem
[01:47] <webPragmatist> torrent
[01:47] <webPragmatist> grr
[02:03] <ader10> I can't install Ubu Server from a USB flash drive. I get a notification saying that the CD-ROM can't be detected (even with "--cdrom-detect/try-usb=true") Please help me install it from the USB flash drive.
[02:05] <ader10> Also, what is up with 10.04's documentation being out-of-date? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04%20LTS/installation-guide/ is missing and the samba file server installation guide is wrong
[02:15] <qman__> ader10, I believe the link you're looking for is https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/index.html
[02:16] <ader10> the link on https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/installation.html is broken, then
[02:16] <ader10> Also EM64T is called Intel 64 now
[02:17] <qman__> Intel changes the name of that about once every six months
[02:17] <ader10> I can't find anything in that guide to help me insall from a flash drive
[02:18] <ader10> (I am pretty sure that Intel 64 is the last time they'll change it)
[02:22] <ader10> The actual error text is "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should chek the integrity of your CD-ROM. Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?"
[02:26] <ader10> If you search for the first 2 sentences exactly on google you'll see that nobody has had this problem solved
[02:27] <ader10> I can't take Ubuntu Server Edition seriously if nobody bothers to fix the installer
[02:42] <DrPoO> has anybody installed pptpd on 10.04?
[02:48] <DrPoO> has anybody setup vpn capabilities with 10.04?
[04:43] <twb> I need the default umask for users to be 077.  If I just tell pam-auth-update to edit common-session and set it explicitly, that'll probably affect root and system users, too, and might cause bad juju.
[04:44] <twb> Anybody know the "right" way to tell pam_umask(8) to affect only users ≥1000 ?
[04:52] <twb> I'll just try turning it on for all users and see how badly it breaks things
[05:59] <EvilTrek> how do I remove a single rule from IPtables?
[05:59] <twb> -D
[05:59] <EvilTrek> -D will remove the single rule?
[06:00] <twb> But generally you ought to use iptables-restore and write your rulesets with an editor, since iptables-restore is atomic at the table level.
[06:01] <EvilTrek> well i'm kind of just starting to use iptables, so I havent reached that point yet atm o.o
[06:01] <EvilTrek> bear with me if i ask stupid iptables questions xD
[06:04] <twb> #netfilter
[07:46] <Roxyhart0> hi there ...i need to edit the file rules-save for iptables and then run it as iptables, somebody know how to do that, as i edit it but iptables -S doesn load those changes
[07:59] <twb> Is there a way to change plymouth's background colour (from purple to black) without messing around creating a whole new "theme"?
[08:31] <twb> Answer: yes
[08:31] <twb> >>/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/*.script echo 'Window.SetBackgroundTopColor (0.00, 0.00, 0.00); Window.SetBackgroundBottomColor (0.00, 0.00, 0.00);'
[08:39] <twb> Er, not quite.  But editing the existing calls to those functions suffices.
[08:54] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys i have a question about squid and squidguard.
[08:56] <|eagles0513875|> i have a single nic setup on my server would you guys recommend a 2 nic setup. one nic on the dmz the other nic on the internal network?
[09:02] <twb> |eagles0513875|: it doesn't make a difference
[09:03] <twb> Two NICs is slightly more convenient to code for.
[09:03] <|eagles0513875|> ok it has a built in nic and i dont mind using it
[09:03] <|eagles0513875|> twb: ill give it a shot but atm cant get it going
[09:03] <|eagles0513875|> but thanks for the info :)
[09:04] <twb> You can always use trunking to run several logical NICs over a single physical NIC, assuming you're running Ubuntu on your router
[09:04] <|eagles0513875|> O_O
[09:05] <|eagles0513875|> no im not twb im running belkin proprietary software
[10:29] <larsemil> anyone used a dell powervault 660f?
[10:29] <twb> larsemil: what's the real question?
[10:30] <larsemil> twb: i might get one for cheap. so i am looking for opinions on it.
[10:30] <larsemil> so i rephrase: does anyone have any pros/cons on a powervault 660f? i want to know allt your experiences when coming to it
[10:33] <twb> hardware is hardawre
[10:33] <larsemil> and there is good and bad hardware. :)
[10:33] <twb> As long as there are drivers in the default kernel, I don't care about it
[10:57] <silentwhisper> hi
[10:57] <silentwhisper> my server is always access denied
[10:57] <silentwhisper> anyone can help me
[10:58] <silentwhisper> please
[10:59] <Jeeves_> silentwhisper: ssst!
[10:59] <Jeeves_> </bad joke>
[10:59] <Jeeves_> silentwhisper: Define 'my server'. Which service on the server gives access denied?
[11:00] <Jeeves_> http/smtp/ssh?
[11:00] <silentwhisper> http
[11:01] <Jeeves_> as which user is your webserver running?
[11:02] <silentwhisper> all of my files are root:root
[11:02] <silentwhisper> how to determine that?
[11:02] <silentwhisper> more info
[11:03] <silentwhisper> my server ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:03] <twb> ss -ap | grep http
[11:03] <silentwhisper> router ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:03] <Jeeves_> silentwhisper: can you pastebin an 'ls -al' from the directory you're trying to see?
[11:04] <silentwhisper> thanks
[11:05] <silentwhisper> "/var/www"
[11:05] <silentwhisper> i tried chmod 644 and 755 as well but no luck
[11:06] <Jeeves_> 12:03 < Jeeves_> silentwhisper: can you pastebin an 'ls -al' from the directory you're trying to see?
[11:06] <Jeeves_> !pastebin?
[11:06] <Jeeves_> !pastebin
[11:06] <Jeeves_> Just go into /var/www and type 'ls -al'
[11:06] <Jeeves_> copy/paste all the output into the pastebin
[11:07] <silentwhisper> what is pastebin
[11:07] <silentwhisper> is it notepad?
[11:07] <twb> silentwhisper: plonk
[11:08] <Jeeves_> silentwhisper: Did you see the message from ubottu ?
[11:08] <silentwhisper> please bear with be im totally noob
[11:08] <Jeeves_> silentwhisper: even more important to read everything that comes along
[11:08] <Jeeves_> I asked ubottu to tell you about pastbin
[11:08] <Jeeves_> Read those lines, read my lines, copy/paste! :)
[11:09] <silentwhisper> ah let me check on it its my first time to join here
[11:10] <Jeeves_> That's ok :)
[11:10] <Jeeves_> I'm not in a hurry :)
[11:11] <silentwhisper> are you always here?
[11:12] <Jeeves_> Yes, just about.
[11:12] <Jeeves_> I have no life
[11:12] <Jeeves_> (and no customers ;))
[11:14] <silentwhisper> i really need alot of help im just starting to learn ubuntu
[11:14] <Jeeves_> My hourly rate is 75 euro's
[11:15] <Jeeves_> (That's a joke, obviously ;))
[11:16] <\sh> Jeeves_: that's cheap ;)
[11:17] <Jeeves_> \sh: I know. I'm just starting. So I can use every Unique Selling Point :P
[11:18] <Jeeves_> \sh: So, are you hiring? :P
[11:18] <larsemil> Jeeves_: what would i hire you for?
[11:19] <Jeeves_> Ah, you're too far away. In a country where I never want to be in. :)
[11:19] <twb> .us?
[11:19] <Jeeves_> twb: Correct :)
[11:19] <Jeeves_> larsemil: Clue on Ubuntu, Internet, stuff
[11:19] <twb> maybe after china buys them out
[11:20] <Jeeves_> twb: They allready did. .Us just doesn't know yet :)
[11:20] <larsemil> Jeeves_: i do the same. starting for real during autumn.
[11:20] <\sh> Jeeves_: sysadmin? fai experience? puppet experience? not windows hating? not closed source hating? datacenter experience? if so, send a CV to me...working country will be germany then :)
[11:20] <Jeeves_> larsemil: Cool.
[11:21] <Jeeves_> \sh: I'm pretty close to the german border. But germany is kinda big :)
[11:21] <\sh> Jeeves_: karlsruhe, baden-wuertemberg :)
[11:21] <binBASH> :)
[11:22] <twb> I don't hate windows -- just so long as I don't have to use or support it ;-P
[11:22]  * binBASH will be in KA tomorrow ;)
[11:22] <Jeeves_> \sh: Hmm. That's a four hour drive.
[11:22] <Jeeves_> My wife won't like that :P
[11:22]  * Jeeves_ agrees with twb :)
[11:22] <\sh> Jeeves_: you can rent nice houses here :) or buy one :)
[11:23] <larsemil> i would move for a decent job
[11:23] <\sh> binBASH: where? 1&1 ;)
[11:23] <Jeeves_> Although, I must say. I've got no issues with Windows 7 yet.
[11:23] <twb> Here we basically give the windows bits to our interns, because they're the ones who have used windows most recently
[11:23] <binBASH> \sh: A5 :D
[11:23] <binBASH> I will drive from Zurich to Ludwigshafen
[11:23] <Jeeves_> \sh: Have you ever heard the language you guys are speaking? It's very difficult for the dutch to accept that they speak that on a daily base :)
[11:23] <binBASH> through Karlsruhe :D
[11:24] <Jeeves_> binBASH: You're in zurich?
[11:24] <binBASH> Jeeves_: Yup
[11:24] <binBASH> I worked in Ettlingen before :D
[11:24] <Jeeves_> I was in .ch two weeks ago. In Steffisburg.
[11:24] <Jeeves_> I've been to Zurich last year. Someone I know works at Google there.
[11:25] <\sh> Jeeves_: english :)
[11:25] <Jeeves_> \sh: Liar! :)
[11:25] <binBASH> Jeeves_: Our office is nearby google office ;)
[11:25] <silentwhisper> i hope i could have an IT job
[11:25] <\sh> Jeeves_: no...we are speaking english then...
[11:25] <twb> In .ch do you have to carry a US-104 keyboard with you everywhere just so you don't go insane trying to hack on servers with insane localized keyboards?
[11:26] <Jeeves_> \sh: http://bit.ly/bLTf2s
[11:26] <Jeeves_> \sh: Yes, but if you leave the office?
[11:26] <RudyValencia> man I'm trying to find a better job
[11:26] <binBASH> twb: Well, I brought my German Keyboard to Zurich when I moved there :D
[11:26] <\sh> Jeeves_: also english...at least me :) I'm speaking mostly in english even with my wife :)
[11:27] <\sh> Jeeves_: but yes, you would have to relocate ;)
[11:27] <twb> English is the lingua franca, man
[11:27] <binBASH> Anyways, I'm typing blind. Don't need it really
[11:27] <twb> I bet even somali slave traders speak english
[11:27] <silentwhisper> ah ubuntu pastebin got it sir
[11:27] <Jeeves_> Btw: Haven't done anything with puppet yet
[11:27] <Jeeves_> silentwhisper: Good, link?
[11:27] <twb> binBASH: yeah, but double-bucky-cokebottle to enter a left brace is aggravating
[11:27] <Jeeves_> I have used cfengine, though
[11:28] <binBASH> twb, I switched server console to German layout. :)
[11:28] <twb> Jeeves_: puppet is basically cfengine with different annoyances
[11:28] <binBASH> I'm the only one doing system admin onsite.
[11:29] <Jeeves_> twb: More or less annoyances? :)
[11:29] <twb> I haven't used cfengine enough to say
[11:29] <binBASH> I tried puppet for config management. But I switched now to kokki. It's chef like tool but you can code in python ;)
[11:30] <twb> but forcing me to install ruby is annoying, and they always want me to deploy the latest alpha snapshot of puppet
[11:30] <binBASH> don't want to learn ruby really
[11:30] <twb> And puppet's wire protocol lacks ANY kind of version negotiation
[11:30] <twb> binBASH: yeah, well, puppet "helpfully" uses a DSL
[11:31] <binBASH> twb: Most people I know use chef or fabric to manage their servers
[11:31] <Jeeves_> Ok, so cfengine is the way to go than :P
[11:31] <binBASH> I don't know someone who uses puppet actually
[11:32] <twb> chef is just a minor NIH of puppet
[11:32] <twb> (AFAICT)
[11:32] <twb> You still have to use ruby on the nodes, at least
[11:32] <binBASH> yup
[11:32] <binBASH> that's why I'm using kokki. ;)
[11:33] <binBASH> python is already installed on the nodes.....
[11:33] <larsemil> do i need any special hardware to connect to a fibre channel san or does it use ethernet?
[11:35] <twb> Well, I suppose yaml is at least well-defined
[11:35] <twb> (I hadn't heard of kokki before.)
[11:36] <binBASH> twb: Yeah, I found it when I googled for python config management tools ;)
[11:37] <silentwhisper> too bad my internet connection is very slow
[11:37] <silentwhisper> tried paste
[11:37] <silentwhisper> then i will give the link
[11:37] <silentwhisper> correct?
[11:38] <binBASH> twb: http://github.com/samuel/kokki-cookbooks
[11:38] <binBASH> some example recipes ;)
[11:39] <binBASH> silentwhisper: yup
[11:39] <twb> Well, bugger.
[11:39] <twb> Password resetting works with 8.04 desktops, but not 10.04 desktops.
[11:40] <twb> (Using LDAP with the ppolicy overlay.)
[11:41] <twb> ldap.conf is the same on both...
[12:01] <silentwhisper> sample
[12:01] <silentwhisper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/466407/
[12:01] <silentwhisper> is it correct?
[12:01] <remix_tj> yes
[12:13] <twb> OK, the problem is something to do with pam_unix being first and pam_ldap being second in lucid
[12:17] <Jeeves_> That's stupid
[12:17] <twb> Yes
[12:17] <twb> Yes it is.
[12:17] <Jeeves_> (as are more things in Lucid)
[12:17] <twb> Clarification: I'm using libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap, with OpenLDAP on both ends, using the ppolicy overlay
[12:17] <Jeeves_> Oh wait. Did I say that out loud? L:)
[12:17] <ewook> Jeeves_: no, not really :p
[12:18] <twb> I should also note for the record that nis.schema is JUST SO WRONG, and libpam_ldap's internals are pretty ugly (if reasonably clear).
[12:19] <Jeeves_> Imho, Hardy is still the best Ubuntu around.
[12:19] <Jeeves_> It's just too old
[12:19] <twb> Hey, waitaminute...
[12:19] <twb> Why isn't slapd enforcing non-crap passwords?
[12:19] <Jeeves_> And, IMHO, Canonical focusses on the Cloud far too much
[12:19] <twb> It's doing so on the hardy desktops...
[12:20] <Jeeves_> Does anyone know if openstreetmaps.org has an Google-maps-like API for pointing out where people are?
[12:20] <twb> I wonder if that bullshit where ubuntu moved the ldap configuration INSIDE THE LDAP DATABASE is causing this issue.
[12:20]  * twb digs out a recent serverguide
[12:21] <binBASH> I'll go a bit swimming, got holidays, cya around ;)
[12:21] <Jeeves_> binBASH: See ya
[13:10] <Wampyre> Hello. How can I test communication between my server and a GSM modem connected to ttyS0?
[13:10] <Jeeves_> Wampyre: apt-get install minicom
[13:11] <Wampyre> Thanks Jeeves_, done.  Now googling for usage :)
[13:12] <Jeeves_> :)
[13:18] <ajdkfla> how do I reinstall in apt
[13:18] <ajdkfla> apt-get
[13:18] <ajdkfla> reinstall a package
[13:18] <ajdkfla> I installed lvm2 and my wifi cutout in the middle of the install
[13:19] <ajdkfla> and I wasn't using screen!
[13:19] <Roxyhart0> hi there, somebody know what is the protocol 17 and 6?
[13:19] <joschi> ajdkfla: apt-get install --reinstall [...]
[13:19] <joschi> ajdkfla: or in your case probably just `apt-get install -f`
[13:19] <pmatulis> Roxyhart0: udp and tcp respectively
[13:20] <ajdkfla> ajdkfla: apt-get install --reinstall <package> ?
[13:20] <Jeeves_> Speaking of cfengine and puppet
[13:20] <Jeeves_> http://www.cfengine.org/cftimes/articles/0000000040.html
[13:20] <ajdkfla> sorry freaking out lvm2 seems to have screewed my network
[13:20] <joschi> Roxyhart0: also taking a look into /etc/protocols might help ;)
[13:20] <Roxyhart0> thanks
[13:23] <pmatulis> Roxyhart0: next time, 'grep 17 /etc/protocols'  and so on
[13:33] <Roxyhart0> Hi there, im looking for a tool to block P2P, somebody have any recomendation? id see 17 filter and ipp2p but not sure which is good or if there is another  even better
[13:34] <pmatulis> Roxyhart0: use netfilter/iptables (linux built-in firewall) - use ufw to configure
[13:36] <Roxyhart0> yes, both tools also use iptables...im looking for some doc how to do just with iptables
[13:36] <sabgenton> is there a way to share a file quickly with out using samba?
[13:36] <sabgenton> ssh?
[13:36] <sabgenton> I want to  share an Iso over the network and mount on  another machine
[13:36] <Roxyhart0> scp?
[13:37] <Roxyhart0> to share or just copy?
[13:37] <sabgenton> Roxyhart0: can I mount somehow?
[13:37] <sabgenton> share
[13:37] <joschi> sabgenton: if the other machine has a FUSE implementation, you could use sshfs
[13:38] <sabgenton> ones karmic ones lucid
[13:38] <sabgenton> sudo apt-get install sshfs
[13:38] <sabgenton> ?
[13:39] <joschi> sabgenton: yes
[13:39] <sabgenton> quick howto?
[13:39] <sabgenton> mount
[13:40] <pmatulis> sabgenton: http://tinyurl.com/3yen5w4
[13:41] <joschi> sabgenton: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/FUSE/sshfs
[13:41] <joschi> *sigh* no initiative from anyone these days...
[13:41] <joschi> sabgenton: meh, sorry. it's german
[13:41] <joschi> meant to post https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[13:42] <sabgenton> thanks
[13:44] <Roxyhart0> other question...any good proxy server?
[13:46] <joschi> Roxyhart0: for which protocol?
[13:47] <Roxyhart0> most important p2p, irc, ssh, htmp
[13:48] <Roxyhart0> html
[13:49] <joschi> Roxyhart0: so you're looking for a SOCKS proxy
[13:49] <joschi> take a look at dante
[13:50] <Roxyhart0> thanks joschi
[14:18] <joschi> how can I tell d-i or more precisely partman that I want to have the remaining free space of a hard drive (after the partitions have been created) in a LVM volume group?
[14:18] <joschi> e.g. create a partition with 10G in the volume group and have the rest unassigned to any LV, but assigned to the volume group
[15:11] <DrPoO> I want to check on which device a particular directory is mounted to... how can I do this?
[15:19] <ehazlett> greetings all... i'm trying to set quota's on an NFS mounted dir -- is that possible?
[15:52] <cemc> hi. I have a 10.04 LTSP install. I want my thin clients to run only chrome at boot, with autologin, no other stuff (no panels, no possibility to run other stuff), is it doable? any howto on it (especially the autologin+bare minimum part) ?
[15:54] <silentwhisper> where is the link for pasting image?
[17:27] <goldins> is there a way I can mirror a filesystem on two servers over the network?
[17:28] <jpds> goldins: DRDB?
[17:28] <NarbeH> i got No route to host when i want to send mail. (Postfix -  Mail agent: squirrelmail)
[17:28] <jpds> goldins: http://www.drbd.org/ ↑
[17:28] <goldins> hmm
[17:28] <goldins> thanks
[17:31] <NarbeH> i got No route to host when i want to send mail. (Postfix -  Mail agent: squirrelmail)
[17:32] <NarbeH> anyone please?
[17:33] <Mithos> any reason when I do this: iptables -I INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[17:33] <Mithos> i get this: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
[17:33] <Mithos> on an Ubuntu server image btw
[17:33] <Mithos> er server*
[17:39] <NarbeH> anyone please help me in postfix
[17:41] <Mithos> where can the kernel's config files be on the drive?
[17:41] <pmatulis> Mithos: in the /boot directory
[17:41] <Mithos> ah its hiding xD
[17:41] <Mithos> er...
[17:43] <Mithos> or its hiding elsewhere...
[17:43] <pmatulis> Mithos: hiding?
[17:43]  * Mithos kicks his system
[17:45] <matt_keys> I have a fresh install of server 10.04 amd64. on install i only selected vm host and ssh. virt-manager, virt-viewer, xterm, ubuntu-vm-builder are custom additions. i changed networking to bridge eth0 and set the template to use br0 by default. when attempting to create a vm I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/27vxhNHr
[17:45] <matt_keys> anybody ever seen that one?
[17:45] <EvilTrek> pmatulis:  yeah its hiding somewhere, but its not in /boot
[17:46] <EvilTrek> pmatulis:  perhaps because its a VPS?
[17:46] <EvilTrek> o.o
[17:47] <jpds> EvilTrek: Xen?
[17:48] <EvilTrek> jpds:  no openvz
[17:48] <pmatulis> matt_keys: how did you create the vm?
[17:48] <EvilTrek> jpds:  the datacenter the VPS is at didnt have zen
[17:48] <EvilTrek> er xen*
[17:48] <jpds> EvilTrek: Isn't the kernel managed by the host with that?
[17:48] <EvilTrek> jpds:  indeed i'm trying to ping the host now xP
[17:48] <matt_keys> Unable to complete install '<class 'libvirt.libvirtError'> operation failed: failed to retrieve chardev info in qemu with 'info chardev'
[17:48] <pmatulis> matt_keys: how did you create the vm?
[17:49] <matt_keys> pmatulis: through the gui
[17:49] <matt_keys> pmatulis: it's a win08 x64, 4gb ram, 40gb disk. i selected windows, windows 2008 from the type drop-down
[17:50] <matt_keys> does it if i allocate all at once or uncheck for thin provisioning
[17:55] <NarbeH> i got No route to host when i want to send mail. (Postfix -  Mail agent: squirrelmail)
[17:56] <pmatulis> matt_keys: is your host 64 bit?
[17:56] <matt_keys> pmatulis: yes
[17:56] <matt_keys> Linux libvirt01 2.6.32-23-server #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 09:11:11 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:57] <pmatulis> matt_keys: do other guests install ok?
[17:57] <matt_keys> pmatulis: haven't tried any others yet, this was the first one :(
[17:57] <pmatulis> matt_keys: please try
[17:57] <matt_keys> will do, brb.
[17:58] <matt_keys> just checked and the disk was created both times in /var/lib/libvirt/images, just didn't go past that
[17:59] <matt_keys> pmatulis: creating a ubuntu 10.04 i386 server vm, 20gb disk, 512mb ram
[18:00] <matt_keys> pmatulis: btw these are on dell poweredge 1855 blades, so I have 9 more if I need to test... they're all identical setups
[18:05] <matt_keys> pmatulis: ubuntu vm seems to have installed/started ok
[18:05] <matt_keys> digging for another win32 iso
[18:07] <matt_keys> win7 64 would be a good test, right?
[18:08] <pmatulis> matt_keys: it's another test, yes
[18:08] <matt_keys> win7 64bit started as well
[18:08] <matt_keys> something specific with server 2008 64bit?
[18:10] <pmatulis> matt_keys: some drivers may need to be digitally signed
[18:11] <matt_keys> pmatulis: never makes it that far... it goes to create the domain and crashes there before the vm has a chance to start. win7 64bit just gave me the BSOD
[18:11] <pmatulis> matt_keys: dunno
[18:13] <matt_keys> BSOD error msg was "STOP: 0x0000001E (0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000)"
[18:37] <matt_keys> pmatulis: filed a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/607884
[18:37] <matt_keys> thanks for your help
[18:38] <pmatulis> matt_keys: you're welcome
[19:00] <talcite> hey guys, the UUID in the kernel bootline should match the UUID of the root partition correct?
[19:00] <Jordan_U> talcite: Yes.
[19:01] <talcite> Jordan_U: is there any reason why a UUID of a softraid array would change suddenly?
[19:01] <Jordan_U> talcite: Not that I know of, but I don't do much with RAID.
[19:02] <talcite> Jordan_U: hmm that's ok. Thanks. I'll just change it manually to match. It's really weird that it happened though
[19:02] <Jordan_U> talcite: update-grub should update your grub.cfg to match the new value.
[19:03] <talcite> Jordan_U: hmm, I'm stuck in an initramfs shell. I don't think I have access to /boot actually
[19:03] <talcite> or is it just not automatically mounted?
[19:25] <talcite> Was grub's menu.lst removed in 10.04? I'd like to verify that the kernel options on boot are using the correct UUID
[20:45] <qman__> talcite, 10.04 uses grub2 by default, which does not have a menu.lst
[20:47] <Italian_Plumber> wasn't that first considered a "bug" tha'ts going to be "fixed" in 10.04.1?
[20:47] <qman__> what, exactly?
[20:48] <qman__> grub2's configuration structure is completely different from the old grub
[20:49] <Italian_Plumber> maybe I'm remembering something wrong
[20:49] <qman__> the bits you're supposed to change have moved to /etc
[20:53] <pmatulis> talcite: cat /proc/cmdline
[22:29] <webPragmatist> do i have to do anything after I add a file to /etc/logrotate.d
[22:57] <talcite> Hmm ok I see. I've found the /etc/ bits now.
[22:58] <talcite> It's still weird though. cat /proc/cmdline gives a different UUID than from the UUID of my root partition
[22:59] <Jordan_U> talcite: If you boot holding shift you can get the grub menu and temporarily change the menu entry to boot, then "sudo update-grub" should fix things permanently.
[22:59] <talcite> well, I should clarify, /proc/cmdline gives a different UUID from the one that mdadm -D /dev/md0 reports
[23:00] <talcite> hmm
[23:00] <talcite> are they supposed to be different ones?
[23:01] <talcite> Jordan_U: yup, I ran the update-grub command, but it didn't seem to change anything. The UUIDs reported by /proc/cmdline and mdadm are still different
[23:02] <Jordan_U> talcite: cat /proc/cmdline prints the kernel parameters that were passed to the kernel when you booted.
[23:02] <talcite> ah, so I'll need to reboot
[23:02] <Jordan_U> talcite: To check the UUID that grub will pass next boot look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:03] <talcite> ah. Thanks. I've never used grub2 before
[23:03] <Jordan_U> luis_lopez: You're welcome.
[23:09] <pittstains> anyone know how to update the output of the df command?  i deleted some large files but i'm getting the same output
[23:12] <pittstains> gaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[23:12] <pittstains> too late
[23:12] <pittstains> giving me output for every directory
[23:13] <pittstains> can't stop it with control C
[23:13] <pittstains> wrong window... sorry!  still would like help with the df question though
[23:14] <qman__> df generates fresh output each time you run it
[23:15] <qman__> if the information is wrong, it's more likely that your filesystem is reporting incorrect information, or that you didn't actually delete said files
[23:15] <qman__> were they hard-linked elsewhere?
[23:16] <pittstains> qman: thanks
[23:16] <pittstains> i don't believe they were hard linked anywhere else
[23:16] <pittstains> they were apache log files
[23:16] <qman__> yeah, then probably not
[23:16] <qman__> but they should also not be that big
[23:17] <pittstains> it was 10GB -- my predecessor put them in a non-standard location, so logrotate never touched them
[23:19] <pittstains> qman__: i just used the rm command... i know that doesn't delete them in a non-recoverable way, but shouldn't it free up the space?
[23:19] <qman__> generally, it does delete them in a non-recoverable way
[23:19] <qman__> unless you have an undelete system configured
[23:20] <pittstains> no undelete system configured... i mean unrecoverable in the way the shred makes files unrecoverable
[23:20] <pittstains> *in the way that shred
[23:20] <qman__> rm simply unlinks them
[23:20] <qman__> which leaves the data free to be overwritten
[23:21] <qman__> unless it's linked elsewhere
[23:21] <qman__> it would show up as free space
[23:23] <qman__> if it really is a filesystem inconsistency, fsck will fix it
[23:27] <pittstains> good suggestion... thanks
[23:39] <LowValueTarget> mysql wont start on my 10.04 box
[23:39] <LowValueTarget> any ideas
[23:40] <binBASH> check error log in /var/log/mysql/
[23:43] <LowValueTarget> binBASH: nothin in there
[23:43] <binBASH> check diskspace
[23:44] <binBASH> it should contain something if you start mysql ;)
[23:44] <LowValueTarget> noting in any log
[23:45] <binBASH> again check diskspace if logs are empty
[23:51] <yabbo> ok im trying to install ubuntu server on a dell power edge 6450 but when i try the server CD it says it cant install the kernel modules for the architecture
[23:51] <yabbo> its a quad P4 700 mhz system so it should install
[23:54] <yabbo> or do i need to go out and download server 7.10 or something
[23:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Is there any way to save the response of a request i issue via TELNET to a file?  I.e. I want to try to send a custom request to a server with HTTP and save the response file
[23:55] <jpds> yabbo: 7.10 is dead.
[23:55] <yabbo> i know but 10.04 wont install
[23:56] <jpds> Well, noone's going to help on using an unsupported release. ;-)
[23:56] <yabbo> do > file.txt at the end of the command and it will log it to the file
[23:56] <yabbo> well then can you help me get 10.04 working lol
[23:56] <LowValueTarget> it was apparmor if anyone cares
[23:58] <jpds> yabbo: dmesg | tail in a pastebin would be useful to.
[23:58] <pittstains> qman__: so, i ran fsck -ns /dev/foo (still mounted), and i get a list of errors... wondering if there's a way to fix this that is safe, easy, and reliable...
[23:58] <pittstains> if i reboot later, will it just run the check on boot and do the right thing?


[00:38] <philipballew> does anyone know if libre office 3.4 is going to be put into the repositories?
[00:49] <pleia2> they probably are waiting to see if it'll go stable before freeze
[00:50] <pleia2> so it's hard to say
[01:02] <philipballew> haha. makes sense pleia2 . freeze is not far off
[17:40] <pleia2> if anyone is looking to pitch in with ubuntu weekly news we need people to write article summaries over in #ubuntu-news
[19:29] <BrightAmbition> :(


[01:07] <jeeves__> how can I set up my Bind server to auto replicate to a set of slave servers external to my network?
[01:10] <jMCg> jeeves__: might ask that question in #bind or #dns
[01:10] <jeeves__> I asked in Bind, it's a ghost town in there
[01:14] <patdk-lap> heh, I already answered that question
[01:15] <patdk-lap> http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/xfer.html
[01:16] <patdk-lap> oh it was a different channel :)
[01:26] <pdtpatrick1> do u guys know of anything similar to rc-status in debian ?? something like daemon tools where is i can type sstat and it shows all services running and how long they've been up ?
[01:45] <pdtpatrick1> anyone has knowledge relating to ... http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html  ??/?
[01:45] <patdk-lap> can't stand them
[01:46] <patdk-lap> upstart is suppost to be doing all that stuff now anyways
[01:48] <pdtpatrick1> what can't u stand about them ?
[01:48] <pdtpatrick1> Im going to have to read up more about upstart
[01:49] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[01:49] <Tommy_nmw> anyone who has done LAMP web server for real world?
[01:51] <jeeves__> Tommy_nmw, what do you mean "for the real world"?
[01:52] <Tommy_nmw> jeeves__:  not for testing environment
[01:53] <jeeves__> Tommy_nmw, I have one that runs multi-domains, and supports our customer CRM for one of my companies.
[01:55] <Tommy_nmw> jeeves__: I am a newbie of ubuntu server and I really do not understand without stepby step screen shot. The thing is I want to setup my php inventory application on LAMP server and make it accessible via domain name instead of IP
[01:55] <Tommy_nmw> jeeves__: from the network
[01:56] <jeeves__> Tommy_nmw, well, that's a 2 part problem.  You need to set up Bind9, and if you want it internally/externally accessable, you have to set up 2 zones.
[01:57] <Tommy_nmw> jeeves__: do I need to buy public IP address?
[01:57] <jeeves__> depends.  do you want the outside world to be able to see your LAMP server?
[02:05] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[02:05] <littlebearz> $VPS.GetNick(14,#archlinux,520)
[02:06] <littlebearz> DURgod
[02:12] <littlebearz> $VPS.GetNick(14,#ubuntu,366)
[02:12] <littlebearz> $VPS.GetNick(14,#ubuntu,420)
[02:12] <littlebearz> $VPS.GetNetworks()
[02:13] <Tommy_nmw> hello
[02:20] <littlebearz> $VPS.GetNick(14,#archlinux,478)
[02:20] <littlebearz> ngochai
[02:21] <Tommy_nmw> hello
[02:24] <StrangeCharm> when i call xemacs from the command line in an x session, it creates an x window. how can i tell xemacs only to launch in the shell?
[02:25] <littlebearz> $VPG.GetNick(14,#ubuntu-server,259)
[02:28] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[02:28] <Tommy_nmw> how to change time zone from EDT to our local time on server
[02:28] <Tommy_nmw> ?
[02:35] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[02:35] <Tommy_nmw> how to shutdown server from ordinary user by adding to sudoer group ?
[02:39] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[02:39] <Tommy_nmw> how to shutdown server from ordinary user by adding to sudoer group ?
[02:39] <Tommy_nmw> how to shutdown server from ordinary user by adding to sudoer group ?
[02:39] <Tommy_nmw> how to shutdown server from ordinary user by adding to sudoer group ?
[02:41] <Datz_> what?
[02:47] <Tommy_nmw> Datz: what ? what do you wanna know ?
[02:51] <Tommy_nmw> hi
[02:58] <Datz> Tommy_nmw: I just didn't hear you the first time
[02:58] <Datz> your question is really two questions
[02:59] <Datz> I'm sure you can find how to add a user to the sudo group if you look
[02:59] <Datz> once you've done that try man shutdown
[03:05] <Datz> sudo file*
[03:31] <johna> john
[04:37] <kaushal> Hi
[04:38] <kaushal> If JAVA6 U26 is not made available in hardy, does it mean because Desktop has EOL ?
[04:38] <kaushal> I mean Ubuntu Hardy Desktop 8.04 has gone EOL ?
[04:39] <kaushal> why is it not made available on Server edition since its supported till Apr 2013
[04:39] <kaushal> can someone please explain
[04:39] <kaushal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/797718
[04:39] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 797718 in sun-java6 "sun java 6u26 needs packaging" [High,Fix released]
[05:45] <qman__> kaushal, strictly speaking, only packages in 'main' are supported throughout the life of the distro
[05:45] <qman__> pretty sure sun java is in partner, and may or may not be supported
[06:13] <kaushal> qman__: Thanks and that answered my question
[06:13] <kaushal> so multiverse, restricted and universe is not supported till 5 years ?
[06:14] <kaushal> Trying to understand
[06:50] <kaushal> quit
[07:30] <pdtpatrick_> Question -- why is it when u use static IP. /etc/resolv.conf keeps going blank after reboot? Is network manager still controlling that file?
[07:56] <tdn> Sometimes my mailscan server runs out of disk space or inodes. How do you recommend I monitor this so that I will receive an e-mail some time before it runs out? Should I use nagios for this?
[07:57] <StevenR> tdn: yes. nagios can do that, and there are other tools too.
[08:03] <tdn> StevenR, what other tools do you recommend?
[08:03] <StevenR> icinga (I think that's how it's spelt) seems popular, though it's a frontend to nagios.
[08:03] <tdn> Ok.
[08:04] <StevenR> I've not used anything else actually
[08:04] <tdn> I would like something that runs alone on each machine.
[08:04] <tdn> Like a cron job or something.
[08:04] <tdn> Or a deamon.
[08:04] <StevenR> why?
[08:04] <tdn> Because otherwise I have to solve trust issues with having one machine login to others.
[08:04] <StevenR> nah
[08:04] <tdn> This is how it is solved with nagios.
[08:05] <StevenR> you could use the nrpe agent on each server to report to a central location
[08:05] <tdn> Yes. I thought about that. However, nrpe seems rather complex to get up and running.
[08:05] <tdn> I already have a nagios server though.
[08:06] <tdn> It just probes if hosts are up via network.
[08:06] <tdn> (icmp ping and tcp connect)
[08:06] <StevenR> well, do disk space checks via nrpe (it's not that hard) or SNMP
[08:07] <tdn> SNMP?
[08:07] <StevenR> yes
[08:08] <tdn> How?
[08:08] <tdn> SNMP is a protocol.
[08:08] <tdn> With what tool then?
[08:09] <StevenR> nagios
[08:09] <StevenR> it'll do snmp checks.
[08:09] <tdn> Oh.
[08:09] <tdn> Ok.
[08:09] <tdn> I think I just have to look further into nagios then.
[08:10] <StevenR> at my last job, it did cpu (windows and linux), disk, system load, temperature (for a room monitoring system) and airflow (for our extraction fans).
[08:11] <tdn> Ok. Do you have a sample configuration I can see?
[08:11] <StevenR> not anymore
[08:11] <tdn> Ok.
[08:11] <StevenR> I don't have access any more
[08:12] <StevenR> (If I still worked there, I'd pastebin you some config chunks)
[08:31] <tdn> Ok.
[11:46] <cyber638> can anyone help me with bind9
[11:47] <quentusrex> cyber638, what seems to be the issue?
[11:47] <cyber638> Can anyone tell me how to write dns record of yahoo.com ... I am using bind9 and I want to make my own dns server
[11:47] <StevenR> cyber638: why do you want to do that?
[11:47] <quentusrex> cyber638, So you want to have your own DNS server on your network? Correct?
[11:48] <cyber638> yes
[11:48] <quentusrex> cyber638, Then after setting up your own local DNS server you want to override the ip address for yahoo.com?
[11:49] <cyber638> yup... I want to resolve the DNS for all sub domains of yahoo.com
[11:49] <quentusrex> cyber638, do you mind telling me why you want to do this?
[11:50] <cyber638> sorry I don't mean to override it.... but actually in our college we have dns server which is very very slow..... so we want to make our own dns server for some websites which we visit daily....
[11:51] <quentusrex> cyber638, Aah, I see. You want to cache the values so that they are returned faster, not override the values.
[11:51] <cyber638> no cache
[11:51] <cyber638> I want a complete independent dns....
[11:52] <cyber638> just for yahoo.com, google.com & gmail.com
[11:52] <StevenR> cyber638: I'd advise against that.
[11:52] <quentusrex> cyber638, So you want to have to manually go and change all values for all the dns entries each time yahoo or google change theirs?
[11:52] <StevenR> IPs change.
[11:53] <quentusrex> and sometimes they change often.
[11:53] <cyber638> quentusrex , if yahoo and google change their dns entries then is there any way to update it automatically
[11:54] <quentusrex> cyber638, yes, that would be a caching dns system.  Only one request actually has to lookup the value, then all other requests get the cached copy.
[11:54] <cyber638> oh ok... then tell me how to do it for yahoo.com and I will do it for remaining websites
[11:55] <quentusrex> and the cached copy is kept for as long as yahoo and google specify it should be kept.
[11:55] <quentusrex> cyber638, For bind9 it can cache 'all' sites dns entries if you would like.
[11:56] <quentusrex> cyber638, This setup is similar to what you will probably want: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-3.html
[11:56] <quentusrex> That would configure your dns server to resolve dns entries itself(talk directly to the name servers for yahoo and google) then cache the entries.
[11:59] <cyber638> I am getting difficulty to understand it
[11:59] <cyber638> A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     6D  IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS> ==> how to write it for yahoo.com
[11:59] <quentusrex> cyber638, You don't need to deal with that.
[12:00] <quentusrex> the ubuntu bind9 package includes the initial entires for the root name servers.
[12:01] <cyber638> so you mean I just copy paste those things in respective files as written on the website....
[12:01] <quentusrex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[12:01] <quentusrex> cyber638, do you have an ubuntu server installed?
[12:01] <cyber638> no its ubuntu only
[12:01] <cyber638> I have installed bind9 too
[12:02] <quentusrex> cyber638, do you see the files that are already in /etc/bind/
[12:02] <cyber638> yes
[12:03] <quentusrex> you should probably read through them starting with /etc/bind/named.conf
[12:03] <quentusrex> cyber638, just glance through them so you know what the default configurations are.
[12:05] <cyber638> ok.. already tried them before but failed to do ...
[12:05] <cyber638> as you know google has its dns like <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:05] <cyber638> similiarly I wanted to create my dns server but only for one website like yahoo.com
[12:05] <quentusrex> cyber638, yes, and google provides <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:06] <quentusrex> cyber638, If I understand you correctly then you are trying to go the wrong direction(slightly).
[12:06] <cyber638> why?
[12:07] <quentusrex> If you are only looking for dns resolution speed improvements, so that browsing common sites is faster then you need a DNS server that caches lookups.
[12:07] <cyber638> my intention is to learn how to make DNS server ... not to cache it
[12:07] <quentusrex> Which is not as complicated as you probably think it is. You only need to have about 3 extra lines in the configurations.
[12:07] <quentusrex> cyber638, But you should never try to host somebody elses domain.
[12:08] <cyber638> yes... I don't want to host any domain... I just want to create DNS server which will resolve the names into ip address of yahoo.com and for all its subdomain
[12:08] <quentusrex> cyber638, correct. but you don't have to specify the information manually.
[12:09] <quentusrex> Bind9 is smart enough to look up the information properly.
[12:09] <cyber638> yes... so can you tell how to do it
[12:09] <quentusrex> Using http://paste.ubuntu.com/ can you paste the contents of /etc/bind/named.conf
[12:10] <quentusrex> cyber638, I will be glad to walk you through the process.
[12:10] <cyber638> ok
[12:10] <cyber638> here is the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/645811/
[12:11] <quentusrex> Thank you and can you paste /etc/bind/named.conf.options and /etc/bind/named.conf.local please.
[12:11] <quentusrex> I do not need the default-zones pasted.
[12:13] <cyber638> ok
[12:14] <cyber638> named.conf.options at http://paste.ubuntu.com/645814/
[12:14] <cyber638> named.conf.local at http://paste.ubuntu.com/645816/
[12:14] <quentusrex> Alright, good. Very stripped down configs to start with.
[12:15] <quentusrex> Now, the first question for you cyber638 : Do you want your server to resolve the lookups itself, or do you want your ISP's DNS server to do the 'heavy work'.
[12:15] <cyber638> i want my server to resolve the lookups itself
[12:15] <quentusrex> Ok, then just a moment.
[12:19] <quentusrex> cyber638, please run this command on the ubuntu DNS server:   dig @localhost google.com
[12:19] <quentusrex> and pastebin the output.
[12:20] <cyber638> http://paste.ubuntu.com/645821/
[12:21] <quentusrex> it seems bind is not started, please run: service bind9 start
[12:21] <quentusrex> then rerun the dig command.
[12:22] <cyber638> http://paste.ubuntu.com/645823/
[12:25] <cyber638> listen our university blocks the connection at port 52 and 53 for all ip except the ip of open dns
[12:26] <quentusrex> Then it sounds like you will need to setup opendns as a forward. Just a moment.
[12:27] <cyber638> but there is a problem
[12:27] <quentusrex> Uncomment the forwarders section  and replace <IP_ADDRESS> with <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:28] <cyber638> ok
[12:29] <quentusrex> then you can run: rndc reconfig
[12:29] <quentusrex> and that should have bind9 update the configurations.
[12:30] <cyber638> here are the results http://paste.ubuntu.com/645825/
[12:30] <quentusrex> Good.
[12:30] <quentusrex> run it again, and check the Query time
[12:30] <quentusrex> see how long it takes now.
[12:30] <cyber638> its 0msec
[12:30] <cyber638> got cache
[12:31] <quentusrex> that's it.
[12:31] <quentusrex> Any request for a DNS entry that isn't already cached will be forwarded to opendns, then cached.
[12:31] <cyber638> ok but I have 1 last problem
[12:32] <cyber638> our university block game websites like miniclips.com and to block it they use open dns
[12:32] <cyber638> but when I use ip address for opening website then the website get opened
[12:32] <quentusrex> alright, time for a small experiment.
[12:33] <quentusrex> run the dig command for the domain for something that is blocked.
[12:33] <quentusrex> What is the result?
[12:33] <cyber638> oh ok
[12:34] <cyber638> here is the result http://paste.ubuntu.com/645830/
[12:34] <cyber638> miniclips.com.		0	IN	A	<IP_ADDRESS> ==> all blocked websites are sent to this ip
[12:34] <quentusrex> Is that the actual ip address?
[12:34] <quentusrex> aah, ok.
[12:34] <quentusrex> So, let's try something a bit different.
[12:34] <cyber638> ok...
[12:35] <quentusrex> replace the ip address for your forwarder with <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <cyber638> already tried it...
[12:35] <quentusrex> then run: rndc reconfig
[12:35] <quentusrex> then: rndc flush
[12:35] <cyber638> they have blocked port 52 and 53 for all ip except for open dns
[12:35] <quentusrex> hmm, let me think about this one for a moment.
[12:35] <cyber638> but I have one more idea
[12:36] <cyber638> can we dig on some webpage
[12:36] <cyber638> and put that data into bind9
[12:39] <cyber638> I have one more way... proxy is allowed in our university but it slows the speed... so can we use proxy to dig, once we get the data then we will remove the proxy...
[12:41] <quentusrex> cyber638, At the moment I can't think of a simple solution to the problem. Other than just adding an entry in your /etc/hosts file. But that doesn't help windows clients.
[12:41] <cyber638> that's not the problem...
[12:41] <cyber638> i want it in ubuntu
[12:42] <quentusrex> you only want the ubuntu machines to be able to get the real ip of the sites?
[12:42] <cyber638> we don't have problem with operating system as our friends use both OS....
[12:42] <cyber638> they just want to play online games so they can even play them using ubuntu
[12:43] <cyber638> but I want the DNS to resolve the ip address of all subdomains of miniclips.com
[12:43] <quentusrex> Aah, then life is easy. Just add this line to the file /etc/hosts    "<IP_ADDRESS> the.domain.com"
[12:43] <quentusrex> replace the ip address with the correct ip address of the site, and replace the domain with the correct domain
[12:44] <cyber638> I already tried it but there is problem
[12:44] <quentusrex> and you can just add a: "<IP_ADDRESS> *.domain.com" to resolve all subdomains.
[12:44] <cyber638> but what if e.miniclips.com will have some other ip address
[12:46] <quentusrex> aah, /etc/hosts can not support wildcards.
[12:46] <cyber638> yeh ....
[12:46] <cyber638> if there any way to lookup the DNS of the miniclips for its subdomain
[12:47] <quentusrex> cyber638, you might want to look into dnsmasq
[12:47] <quentusrex> but I have to go.
[12:47] <cyber638> what is dnsmasq
[12:47] <cyber638> oh ok
[12:47] <quentusrex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dnsmasq
[12:50] <cyber638> when u will be back
[13:01] <cyber638> is there anyone who can help me with bind9
[13:01] <cyber638> ????
[14:13] <Lorant> hello, anyone tried to set up a DiabloII server under ubuntu?
[14:40] <TuxBrother> simple question: I created a forward zone. domain.name.local to the Windows AD Server, let's say <IP_ADDRESS>. the BIND9-server, on <IP_ADDRESS>, hosts name.local, and needs to <forward> domain.name.local to <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:41] <TuxBrother> but nslookup domain.name.local <IP_ADDRESS> fails: server fail. <IP_ADDRESS> just works
[14:41] <TuxBrother> I blame Windows 2K8 R2, I think I need to allow somewhere to pickup the forwards, am I right?
[14:45] <mmncs> I have a VPS with two websites running on it and I would like to setup mail. Since its just a drupal site and a wordpress site I only need one mail for each website and the guides I have been looking at are quite extensive, what would you recommend?
[14:46] <qman__> mmncs, to handle more than one domain name, you need to go the long way and set up virtual mailboxes
[14:46] <qman__> with only one you could use local system users and be done, but with more than one, you can't
[14:46] <mmncs> damn I was hoping I could avoid that
[14:46] <SpamapS> or just use aliases. :-P
[14:47] <SpamapS> mmncs: honestly.. just use gmail for domains ;)
[14:47] <mmncs> but how do I set that up
[14:47] <qman__> well, you _could_ use local users, but then you couldn't have two users by the same name, one on each domain
[14:47] <qman__> they'd be the same user
[14:47] <SpamapS> you can accept mail for 2 domains on one server and just use aliases to differentiate
[14:48] <SpamapS> virtual mailboxes isn't "the long route" tho.. its like.. 2 lines in 2 files.
[14:48] <mmncs> sounds interesting, how would I go about that and would I also be able to send mails from the server, my drupal site?
[14:50] <mmncs> Since I would def want to avoid going the long way and gmail is just fine, since its only two mail accounts
[14:51] <qman__> just install postfix with the 'internet site' configuration
[14:51] <mmncs> done that
[14:51] <qman__> then, as long as the domain you used is correct
[14:51] <qman__> and your DNS is set up right
[14:51] <qman__> you're good to go
[14:52] <mmncs> how is that
[14:52] <TuxBrother> anyone?
[14:53] <qman__> TuxBrother, I don't know, as I have not set up such a configuration; however, I would enable BIND secondaries and put the zones in both, unless you need dynamic updates
[14:54] <TuxBrother> An AD needs dynamic updates
[14:54] <qman__> I work with AD on a daily basis
[14:54] <qman__> it's not strictly necessary
[14:54] <qman__> just a nicety
[14:55] <TuxBrother> another question
[14:55] <TuxBrother> I have a dd-wrt router
[14:55] <mmncs> qman__, how do I then setup my sites to send mail and how do I setup the receive portion, if you have a guide that would be great
[14:55] <TuxBrother> can I configure that to forward domain.name.local to <IP_ADDRESS>, and all other domains to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[14:55] <qman__> mmncs, if you installed postfix that way, sites can just use the system mail functions, such as php's mail(), and it will work
[14:56] <qman__> TuxBrother, I don't think dd-wrt has anything that sophisticated in it
[14:56] <mmncs> qman__, cool thanks, and how about the receiving part
[14:56] <qman__> you forward based on port numbers
[14:57] <TuxBrother> ahh
[14:57] <TuxBrother> what do you recommend?
[14:58] <qman__> mmncs, your server will receive mail, but it will only deliver for the domain it's configured with, to users that exist
[14:58] <TuxBrother> I need that only the AD Domain dns-requests go to Win2K8R2 (domain.name.local), and all other domains (name.local) to the linux box
[14:58] <qman__> that's where aliases or virtual mailboxes, etc. come in
[14:59] <qman__> TuxBrother, I would just put both zones on both boxes and be done
[14:59] <qman__> the only way to do that is forwarding
[14:59] <mmncs> qman__, but I have two domains for each website
[14:59] <qman__> you were going about it the right way, but I don't have an answer for your original question
[15:00] <qman__> mmncs, that's where the virtual mailboxes come in
[15:00] <qman__> then you configure your server with multiple domains and users for those domains, and your server will receive for those too
[15:01] <mmncs> qman__, and that is the long way?
[15:01] <qman__> yes
[15:02] <mmncs> qman__, ok thanks
[15:07] <TuxBrother> qman__, do you know anybody that could answer my question?
[15:08] <qman__> TuxBrother, no, I would suggest looking into 2008 guides though
[15:08] <qman__> provided you set up forwarding right in BIND, which is well documented, that would be the only thing left
[15:11] <mmncs> Im using ufw as firewall how do allow postfix, should it be: sudo ufw allow Postfix or sudo ufw allow Postfix Submission ?
[15:14] <TuxBrother> and I can't find that one
[15:16] <TuxBrother> Windows only knows this sentence: Forwarders are DNS servers that this server can use to resolve DNS queries for records that this server cannot resolve.
[15:16] <TuxBrother> well, I am looking for this one: Forwarders are DNS servers that USE this server to resolve DNS queries for records that THAT server cannot resolve.
[15:38] <TuxBrother> error (network unreachable) resolving 'domain.name.local.0.0/A/IN': 2001:500:1::803f:235#53
[15:38] <TuxBrother> ipv6 perhaps cause this?
[15:38] <TuxBrother> this error message appears on a lookup
[17:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #811948 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso instalado el script post-installation devolvió el código de salida de error 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811948
[18:48] <cerberos> How do I install Firefox for use with xvfb? When I try apt-get install all I see are GUI versions. I want to run it headless http://coreygoldberg.blogspot.com/2011/06/python-headless-selenium-webdriver.html
[19:07] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #811976 in nut (main) "Update nut to 2.6.1-2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811976
[20:28] <druciferre> Looking for help changing the array name in the superblock information for mdadm array... The only thing I can find on google is changing the device name from /dev/md0 to /dev/md1... this is not what I want... when you do mdadm --query --detail /dev/md0 it shows "Name: sysresccd:0" I want to change that...
[22:53] <fluvvell> druciferre, I'm unclear as to what kind of name you are looking for. And my  mdadm --query --detail /dev/md0 gives a whole page of data about the array, but no name. Same result on 8.04 and 10.04 server
[22:54] <druciferre> fluvvell, it depends on what version of the superblock you use
[22:54] <druciferre> i bet your version is less than 1.0
[22:55] <druciferre> fluvvell, http://linux.die.net/man/5/mdadm.conf look under the "ARRAY" section for "name="
[22:56] <druciferre> fluvvell, more details from the mdadm(8) man page  -->  -N, --name=    Set a name for the array. This is currently only effective when creating an array with a version-1 superblock. The name is a simple textual string that can be used to identify array components when assembling.
[23:03] <fluvvell> druciferre, gotcha. Yep, mine are 0.9 superblocks.
[23:04] <druciferre> fluvvell, the only way i ever found to change that name/label was to zero out the superblocks and recreate the array...
[23:04] <fluvvell> druciferre, I've generally only had to refer to the separate elements by their UUID, so hadn't come across the need to name them otherwise
[23:06] <druciferre> fluvvell, despite having been using an md array for over a year, this is the first point in time when i've begun investing time in really understanding how it works...
[23:07] <druciferre> fluvvell, one of my drives dying is what prompted all this...
[23:12] <fluvvell> druciferre, I've had raid1 arrays for about 4 years at various sites, but never felt the need to name them. Have had to replace about 4 failing devices so far.  The main cause I've discovered is insufficient cooling of drives. Incidentally, while googling your reference to superblock 1.0, I discovered wikipedia has an mdadm page, Breif but interesting.
[23:13] <fluvvell> while I've had some angst over drive replacement, they have usually ended up being quite straight forward.  It might be a different story with RAID5 perhaps.
[23:14] <druciferre> fluvvell, after my drive died, i noticed a huge amount of dust in the front cover blocking the fan i had cooling the drives... so you're probably right, but you can bet I will be cleaning the dust out of once or twice a month from now on
[23:16] <fluvvell> druciferre, or filter your server cabinet. Or get your computer box off the carpet ;-)  Businesses that have un-sealed car parks or workshops adjacent to the office have been the sites I've struggled with dust the most.
[23:17] <druciferre> I have hard wood floors... the server is a custom built mini-tower that is sitting on the floor, and i do have plans to get it off the floor as soon as I can find something to sit it on
[23:18] <fluvvell> I note that kernel.org has an announcement for a new version of mdadm.  "Subject:  ANNOUNCE: mdadm 3.2.2 - A tool for managing Soft RAID under Linux" Dated June 17th 2011. Probably won't migrate into ubuntu for a version or so.
[23:20] <fluvvell> druciferre, If its dust on hardwood, One of my engineer clients had a small cabinet made with a place for a removable dust filter on the front. They can change it monthly, cuts dust considerably. We are in a cool climate I might add.
[23:20] <druciferre> fluvvell, do you know anything about acl permissions ?
[23:21] <fluvvell> Access control lists. I
[23:21] <fluvvell> ve tried to keep clear of them...
[23:21] <fluvvell> There is a samba add on I believe....
[23:22] <druciferre> Oh well, thanks
[23:23] <fluvvell> Sorry. I've seen sites with it working but not had personal experience.
[23:25] <druciferre> was trying to find out if the settings are stored on the disk like the unix permissions are, or if I need to backup the acl settings
[23:59] <quentusrex> fluvvell, did kernel.org mention what was changed in the new version of mdadm?


[17:41] <zaki> hey Kilos ?
[17:56] <zaki> hey
[17:57] <zaki> how are you?
[17:57] <pavlushka> me fine, thanks, you?
[17:57] <zaki> fine.
[17:58] <zaki> doing what?
[17:58] <pavlushka> this time its me setting up the localhost, :p
[17:59] <zaki> why?
[17:59] <Kilos> hi zaki
[17:59] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !
[17:59] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[17:59] <zaki> kilos did you listen to online redio?
[17:59] <Kilos> cold here man
[17:59] <pavlushka> zaki: to test
[18:00] <zaki> test what?
[18:00] <Kilos> nope mo bile data is too expensive for online audio and video
[18:00] <pavlushka> zaki: go to rhythmbox, check the side panel or you can even browse there for online radio.
[18:00] <zaki> php? or wordpress site?
[18:01] <pavlushka> zaki: testing website, creating sample
[18:01] <zaki> i have unlimited bandwidth. :)
[18:01] <zaki> good .
[18:01] <Kilos> you lucky
[18:01] <pavlushka> wordpress and drupal but nah, I am no php guy, may be I need to
[18:02] <pavlushka> yes zaki , you are lucky, :p
[18:03] <zaki> may be.. :D
[18:04] <zaki> php is fun. (y)\
[18:04] <pavlushka> hmm
[18:06] <zaki> hd lnch everyone?
[18:06] <zaki> had lunch everyone? *
[18:06] <pavlushka> No zaki , we hade dinner, :p
[18:07] <zaki> uff.. ! :3
[18:07] <pavlushka> even Kilos too, lol
[18:07] <zaki> what hapen to me.. !
[18:07] <Kilos> yes just finished
[18:08] <pavlushka> zaki: setting up drupal gives issues, what is clear url?
[18:08] <zaki> by the way, i'm not that fine. :( fever !
[18:09] <zaki> never worked with drupal. :(
[18:09] <pavlushka> then I better ask inetpro, :p
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:10] <Kilos> im glad i only work with basics
[18:10] <zaki> good.


[18:56] <Hamilton> Hi!
[18:56] <Hamilton> Anyone here?
[19:02] <Hamilton> not gonna start bouncer yet :D