[01:18] <bobert_1> hey all
[06:40] <foxxbuntu> OpenMediaSupport, you have many customers using Sat's with your boxes?
[07:14] <foxxbuntu> are any of you guys in tonight?
[07:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:17] <foxxbuntu> hey, you heard much about using a Dish with Myth?
[07:18] <foxxbuntu> I am thinking about switching off my craptacular cable company to dish but wondering if anyone knows enough about it to say I am not gonna have a huge head ache from it
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> cable here
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> you can't do HD
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> thats all i know
[07:23] <foxxbuntu> yea
[07:23] <foxxbuntu> Im not going to HD though
[07:23] <OpenMediaSupport> foxxbuntu:  What do you mean by Sats?
[07:23] <foxxbuntu> Sat Dishs
[07:23] <foxxbuntu> Dishes
[07:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Yup.
[07:24] <OpenMediaSupport> I've also got a Diseqc on my for 4 sats
[07:24] <foxxbuntu> any big complaints to watch out for?
[07:24] <OpenMediaSupport> Sorry on mine for 4 sats
[07:25] <OpenMediaSupport> foxxbuntu: "complaints"?
[07:26] <OpenMediaSupport> Here we have two classes of Sat gear - Free To Air is currently MPEG2 standard DVB-S and pretty much just works.
[07:26] <OpenMediaSupport> See http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/88/58/ for a setup guide
[07:26] <foxxbuntu> yea...any issues surrounding dish use I should watch out for...I have always been on cable and they jacked me around and my price is getting out of hand so I am going to switch
[07:27] <OpenMediaSupport> Its more fun when its an STB like Sky TV NZ. Trying to position an IRBlaster on an older STB is a real pain.
[07:27] <foxxbuntu> I have Stars movie channel and basic family cable..and they are jacking me for $73/month
[07:27] <foxxbuntu> plus taxes and fees
[07:28] <OpenMediaSupport> Plus the obvious quality drop when you are only recording off SVideo or composite.
[07:28] <foxxbuntu> well I am on comps. right now
[07:28] <foxxbuntu> and on STBs from my cable providers
[07:29] <foxxbuntu> but I use serial cables
[07:29] <OpenMediaSupport> svideo makes a huge difference. Appears lifeview now have a card with component based capture, but I don't know if it supported under linux yet.
[07:29] <foxxbuntu> i dunno if my tuners support s-vid
[07:29] <OpenMediaSupport> Wish we could access the serial interface on the boxes here in NZ. No one has worked out the Spec.
[07:30] <tgm4883_laptop> openmediasupport, link to that card?
[07:31] <foxxbuntu> I should have just paid to go to Ubuntu Live
[07:33] <foxxbuntu> anywho...Thanks for the help guys
[07:33] <foxxbuntu> I am gonna kick the cable company to the curb
[07:37] <OpenMediaSupport> tgm4883_laptop: The Skystar2 cards?
[07:37] <OpenMediaSupport> tgm4883_laptop: I've lots of links, anything in particular you want.
[07:42] <tgm4883_laptop> i just didn't know they were making them again
[07:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ideally, i'd like to see support for the hdmi capture cards
[07:43] <tgm4883_laptop> but anything that will do HD over not firewire would work for me
[07:43] <tgm4883_laptop> what do they range in price?
[07:47] <OpenMediaSupport> Ah you are taling about the lifeview card with component capture.
[07:49] <OpenMediaSupport> Sorry its a leadtek card - http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tuner/overview.asp?lineid=6&pronameid=322
[06:19] <Jackhammer> I am having problems geeting EIT program info from DBS, can anyone help?
[09:20] <Kenzu> hello... some news?
[09:55] <tgm4883> yes kenzu?
[12:16] <tgm4883_laptop> how do you load the commerical flagging as a cutlist?
[12:27] <tgm4883_laptop> nm, i found it, it's z.


[16:49] <magcius> uh
[18:22] <micahg> magcius: ?
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i did a debug build of xulrunner, and this is the error i get with conkeror: "Couldn't convert chrome URL: chrome://branding/locale/brand.properties"
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> at least, i think that's the fatal one. there's also some warnings about the default preferences too
[19:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe issues with the omnijar or should that be transparent?
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we don't use omnijar for xulrunner
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> there is definately no branding chrome in xulrunner - that's part of firefox, so i guess that's the bug
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> something expects there to be branding provided
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> hmm, i'm guessing it's because i dropped bz466923_att350251_password_prompt_branding_fallback.patch
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> but upstream seem to strongly disagree with that patch
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> so i dropped it ;)
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> but it seems i might need to bring it back :(
[19:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it's xulrunner, so we have more leeway, but maybe we can talk to the conkeror devs
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't mind reapplying the patch again, i just wanted to avoid carrying patches that upstream think are wrong
[19:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it does seem wrong, but it probably needs more digging in the conkeror code to figure out why it's using that
[19:54] <chrisccoulson> the conkeror case can be fixed by shipping the brand.properties, that's pretty trivial
[19:54] <chrisccoulson> in fact, i might just do that for now, and we'll see if this issue causes problems with any other applications before we resurrect that patch


[11:29] <effraie> @schedule paris
[11:29] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team
[12:16] <AndyP> @schedule london
[12:16] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 16 Jun 18:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 20:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 19:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 21:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team
[01:31] <AndyP> @now
[01:31] <AndyP> !now
[01:32] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 15 2007, 11:32:11 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Developers in 1 day
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about now - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hiya persia
[02:59] <lionel> Hi Hobbsee
[02:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:00] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[03:00] <shawarma> o/
[03:00] <persia> Hi Hobbsee
[03:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:00] <shawarma> I'll be running off Real Soon Now[tm] , though.
[03:01] <lionel> shawarma: looking at the agenda, it should be a short meeting
[03:01] <shawarma> Not short enough. :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> if we have no chair, it doenst look like much of a meeting anyway
[03:03] <persia> Hobbsee: You could chair :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> persia: i could, but i dont know the agenda
[03:05] <geser> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings :)
[03:05] <persia> Meeting Agenda is available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings.  First item appears to be clamav.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> geser: -EJUSTGOTHOMEFROMWORK
[03:08] <Hobbsee> okay, anyone got any thoughts about what to do with clamav then?
[03:10] <geser> is there a page (or mail) which summerizes the problems?
[03:10] <geser> I remember that libclamav has over 20 rdepends
[03:11] <persia> I think the agenda item was added as a prod due to the lack of a coherent plan since the last meeting.  Perhaps someone should be assigned to document a plan for review by the next meeting?
[03:16] <AndyP> iirc, it was suggested when ScottK added the item that it be discussed on the mailing list when he's around to give background and drive the discussion better
[03:19] <StevenK> Seconded.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> other business:  taking over the wold.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> and finding mvo a better connection.
[03:19] <mvo> Hobbsee: NO FUN
[03:19] <mvo> :)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:20] <StevenK> I think Telstra could provide a slightly better one.
[03:21] <persia> In other business, I'd like to thank the members of the U-U-S team for following the new procedure, and keeping the queue size generally in single digits in the last week.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:23] <Hobbsee> persia: yay!
[03:24] <StevenK> Anyway, Hobbsee and I are now -core-devs and are above such things.
[03:24] <StevenK> Ahem, or something.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:24] <StevenK> Same. :-)
[03:25] <StevenK> In two weeks?
[03:25] <StevenK> Maybe a few hours earlier?
[03:26] <persia> 2007/06/29:11:00?
[03:26] <StevenK> Sounds fine to me.
[03:26] <StevenK> Anyone else?
[03:26] <AndyP> +00?
[03:26] <persia> AndyP: Right.  Sorry.  Yes, that's what I meant.
[03:27] <StevenK> AndyP: I was assuming UTC, given it's 13:30UTC currently
[03:27] <AndyP> ok, just being pedantic :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> assuming i'm not working, that's fine.  *shrugs*
[03:28] <StevenK> There's a chair?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see a more concrete agenda and such - poke the ML earlier about the meeting, call for topics, etc
[03:29] <StevenK> Make sure that people that are responsible for agenda items actually turn up? :-)
[03:29] <zakame> there was a meeting?   Is there not a separate special Universe HUG DAY?  If not, perhaps it doesn't need to be in the standing agenda items.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> dunno.  do we want a separate one?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> i guess the more hugdays we have, the more bugs we lose
[03:38] <zakame> any reason why have a separate one?
[03:38] <zakame> oh, that
[03:40] <persia> Would anyone volunteer to run one?  If we're counting on the bugsquad, I think we're limited by their schedule.  Prep would be generating lists of interesting bugs (like for other Hug Days), and promoting it.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> bugsquad does, or should contain a lot of us anyway
[03:44] <zakame> which interesting bugs, in the first place?
[03:44] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[03:44] <zakame> heya DarkSun88
[03:44] <DarkSun88> Hi zakame
[03:44] <persia> Hobbsee: RIght, but if we're going to run a MOTU Universe Bug Day, we should generate the lists.  Otherwise, it's not worth being separate: we're just creating work for those who schedule the normal bug days.
[03:45] <persia> zakame: drafters choice, really.  Themes are fun.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> persia: what kind of lists, though?  ie, what things do we want to target?
[03:46] <persia> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070530 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613 are recent lists for standard bug days.  What bugs do MOTUs want fixed?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> all of them!
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it's still a bit early - i'd target them later
[03:47] <persia> Hobbsee: Yes, but that doesn't work well for trying to make a page green, and seeing real progress :(
[03:47] <Hobbsee> unconfirmed bugs, i suspect
[03:49] <pochu> What about 'packaging' and 'upgrade' ?
[03:49] <AndyP> bugs tagged with packaging, bitesize, upgrade, ftbfs and unmetdeps, maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs
[03:49] <persia> Are there any volunteers to prepare a list of bugs to target?  The specific categories could be agreed in later discussion (we only have 10 minutes left, and aren't done with the agenda)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> i dont see how ftbfs bugs are useful to do, before upstream version freeze and such
[03:50] <persia> Hobbsee: Because then we don't have to do them later :)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> +1 for mailing list.  when do we want to do a REVU day?
[03:50] <persia> (usually)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> persia: deps will change with package changes
[03:52] <AndyP> i think those bug lists carry the ulterior motive of introducing new contributors, which is the ulterior motive of the universe hug day
[03:53] <persia> I'd agree to that, and would like to see more people learning how to update dependencies, track down build failures, and investigate crash reports.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> actually, bughelper's learning mroe stuff now.  so we could go thru and use that
[03:53] <Hobbsee> teach everyone how to use it
[03:55] <persia> So anyway, there's effort to decide how to manage Universe HUG Day.  I propose that MOTU/Bugs be used as a base, that interested parties edit this in the meantime, and that 23rd June be Universe HUG DAY.
[03:55] <persia> (all 49.5 hours of 23rd June)
[03:55] <zakame> interesting
[03:56] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:57] <StevenK> I missed the last one, how did it go?
[03:57] <persia> StevenK: I (perhaps mis-) interpreted "cool" as "proposal accepted, and so agreeed".
[03:58] <StevenK> persia: I didn't say 'cool', Hobbsee did
[03:58] <persia> StevenK: Right.  Hobbsee's chair :)
[04:00] <AndyP> persia: i think StevenK meant how did the last Q&A session go :)
[04:00] <StevenK> Right.
[04:00] <persia> My apologies then.
[04:02] <persia> Right.  Did anyone present attend one of the recent MOTU Q&A sessions?  If so, could you please summarise the event, and whether it seemed to work well?
[04:05] <persia> OK.  I suggest that no MOTU Q&A sessions be scheduled due to lack of interest.  Interested parties should announce the intent to schedule on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with a schedule, as they find most convenient.
[04:07] <tritium> persia: it might be schedule conflicts rather than lack of interest.  At least it was in my case.
[04:07] <persia> tritium: When would work for you?
[04:08] <tritium> persia: as much as I work, and especially travel, I wouldn't worry about my schedule, really.
[04:09] <tritium> persia: I'm at UTC - 6, though
[04:09] <persia> tritium: Perhaps I was unclear above, I seek only to move the agenda: if nobody has sufficient interest in MOTU Q&A sessions to propose a time, I don't believe this meeting can establish a time for the next session.
[04:10] <tritium> ah, right
[04:10] <dholbach> hi, sorry for being late
[04:11] <persia> Hi dholbach:  We're currently on "agree on date and time of next meeting MOTU Q&A sessions".
[04:12] <dholbach> what about in two weeks same time?
[04:12] <dholbach> did 0 utc and 12 utc work ok?
[04:13] <dholbach> no objections :)
[04:13] <dholbach> ok super - so that'd be july 28th? 0 and 12 utc?
[04:15] <dholbach> any other business?
[04:16] <dholbach> again... sorry for being late, I'll read up on the backlog and mail if there's anything to follow up
[04:16] <dholbach> thanks everybody for turning up :)
[04:16] <persia> dholbach: Other business was earlier.
[04:16] <persia> Anyone want to draft minutes?
[04:19] <dholbach> thanks a lot persia
[04:20] <dholbach> thanks everybody
[04:22] <persia> Hobbsee: :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yay, many persias running around!
[07:33] <coreymon77> wow the community council meeting still isnt announced?
[07:37] <coreymon77> tis already half way thorugh the month
[07:39] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[07:39] <coreymon77> ?
[07:39] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 16 Jun 12:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 14:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 13:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team
[07:40] <coreymon77> thats all well and good, but im talking about the communty council, you knwo, to become a member?
[07:40] <coreymon77> im leaving to camp on july 3rd and i want to be able to get this done before that
[07:40] <nixternal> dunno what their schedule is like..I was trying to find out meeting times coming up
[07:41] <coreymon77> im still waiting on the metting announcement
[07:43] <pochu> coreymon77: dholbach said it'd be announced next week, so please be patient :)
[07:43] <coreymon77> okay