[00:00] <nhandler> Laney: Do you have bug numbers?
[00:00] <Laney> bug 336029 bug 344578
[00:02] <nhandler> I have a meeting right now Laney, but I'll look them over tonight
[00:02] <Laney> sure, thanks
[00:06] <dtchen> Laney: you might want to regenerate the gnome-do debdiff (minor, but you probably want to update debian/gnome-do.1 again)
[00:06] <Laney> I didn't know whether to ignore the last part or not (since this is part of the 0.8.1 series)
[00:06] <dtchen> Laney: well, i'll leave it to you :)
[00:07] <Laney> dtchen: Do you mind it being uploaded in your name btw?
[00:07] <dtchen> i don't
[00:07] <Laney> good, as you did do the work
[00:07] <dtchen> i get the ppa spam anyhow
[00:35] <nhandler> Laney: Why is the changelog in the bug description different than in the .diff.gz?
[00:35] <Laney> for which?
[00:35] <Laney> there are two packages
[00:36] <nhandler> Both of them. The .diff.gz's contain different changelogs than in the bug description
[00:36] <nhandler> gnome-do and -plugins
[00:38] <Laney> what's different (besides not having the main LP: #xxx)?
[00:38] <nhandler> Laney: That was the first thing I noticed. I'm not sure if there are any other differences
[00:39] <Laney> that's just because I rolled it before submitting the bug
[00:39] <Laney> I'll give you the new ones if you want
[00:39] <nhandler> I personally don't care for right now, but you will want to make sure that the .diff.gz's that get uploaded close the FFe bug
[00:39] <Laney> they do
[00:40]  * nhandler goes to look again
[00:41] <ScottK> nxvl: I'm around again now.
[00:41] <Laney> I also bumped the gnome-do build-dep in -plugins since filing, fyi
[00:41] <Laney> to ensure it's build against the new version of core
[00:57] <nxvl> ScottK: i've been told you are looking for someone to take your work in clamav
[01:03] <Laney> nhandler: New diffs up.
[01:03]  * Laney -> shower. Hopefully I can upload this before bed
[01:03] <nhandler> Laney: I'm looking at miro right now. I'll look at gnome-do again after
[01:04] <Adri2000> ScottK: can you do something for bug #335692 ?
[01:04] <Laney> sure
[01:04] <jdong> Adri2000: I'll handle it
[01:05] <Adri2000> jdong: thanks!  I also am not able to build the Source Package using your debdiff "/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk:183: *** invalid setting in debian/pyversions.  Stop."
[01:11] <Laney> haha
[01:11] <Laney> I noticed that
[01:12] <Laney> slip of the hand and all that
[01:18] <ScottK> nhandler: You need to build the source package in a Jaunty chroot.  That file only exists in Jaunty's python.
[01:20] <nhandler> scottk: Thanks for the info
[01:20] <Laney> nhandler: And it should be just 2.6. I had already noticed and fixed it.
[01:20] <Laney> theres some weirdness with boost.python that makes it not play nice with 2.5- afaics
[01:37] <Laney> sleep time
[01:42] <ScottK> Laney: What version of boost?
[01:42] <ScottK> Laney: I've been trying to get everything migrated to boost1.35.
[04:59] <adelie42> Between patch testing, want to work on my own features to some of the kdegames, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames has no "code" section. Should I just start my own branch, apt-get source kdegames and push it? I know that will let me get started right away, but I would prefer to do it a right way if someone is willing to advise
[05:02] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: / ScottK-desktop: / nixternal: / a|wen: ^^^
[05:02] <adelie42> https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/kdegames/trunk looks good, even if it is not official.
[05:03] <dtchen> adelie42: if you don't get a response here, you may want to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[05:03] <adelie42> dtchen: thanks, i'll check thhere
[05:04]  * nixternal hides
[05:04] <nixternal> adelie42: there is a kdegames branch
[05:06] <nixternal> adelie42: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[05:06] <nixternal> there is kdegames/debian and kdegames/ubuntu
[05:07] <nixternal> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegames/ubuntu
[05:07] <nixternal> that's the one you are interested in
[05:07] <adelie42> ok, I was looking at https://code.launchpad.net/kdegames, which is only packaging data :( thanks
[05:08] <adelie42> Thad looks right. Thank you!!!!
[05:08] <nixternal> right, which is all we have in bzr...the source tarballs are elsewhere to be grabbed (ie. KDE ftp for <= 4.2.1)
[05:08] <nixternal> no prob
[05:10] <adelie42> err... that is again just the packaging... If I want to build off of the source I would otherwise get from apt-get source kdegames, is there no bazaar branch to work from?
[05:11] <nixternal> you can do that...no need to keep the tarballs in bzr since they are already in KDE..or you can get them from apt-get source
[05:13] <adelie42> I use several machines in different locations. bzr is really convenient, which was why I thought it was used in the first place. Are the primary developers for kdegames just not using launchpad/bzr?
[05:36] <a|wen> adelie42: the developers of kdegames are working in kde svn
[05:38] <a|wen> adelie42: i think http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Anonymous_SVN might give you some of the info you seek
[05:43] <a|wen> adelie42: in any case you might want to jump into #kubuntu-devel also ... some of them might know more about working with upstream
[05:47] <adelie42> I got some of my own ideas for i'd like to work on (between patch testing grunt work), but keeping in sync with the real development version would be nice, in case someone actually likes any of the things stuff I am working on
[05:47] <nixternal> ahh, then yes, you need to look into the link that a|wen provided for kde svn :)
[05:52] <adelie42> :/ grr... not only am I not a KDE user, I am not familiar with svn. I LOVE launchpad / bzr. I am looking at the linked page and thinking that is more than I want to deal with (not to be anti kde, just each to their own and all)
[05:54] <adelie42> I appreciate the links though. I'll have to check it out some time. I just got familiar with bazaar and want to focus my attention there for now.
[05:57] <nixternal> adelie42: svn is similar to bzr, or really, bzr is similar to svn
[05:57] <nixternal> plus there is some good info on that wiki page to get you started
[06:05] <justinnfx> Hello- I need some help installing ubuntu
[06:05] <justinnfx> Last time I tried wubi and it did not work, i got stuck at the password menu, and it would not install
[06:06] <justinnfx> Ok Im am installing ubuntu 8.10 right now
[06:07] <justinnfx> I mean downloading
[06:07] <justinnfx> do I need to resize my partion?
[06:07] <adelie42> This is not the appropriate channel for installation support. I sent you an IM. I can help you there
[06:08] <justinnfx> k
[06:09] <sbeattie> adelie42: there's always bzr-svn to work with a svn tree from within bzr, though I've not tried it.
[06:17] <adelie42> hmm... that sounds intriguing.
[06:33] <fabrice_sp_> Hi.   Will that work
[06:53] <justinnfx> I probally can delete about 50gb of program/music/vid off the winvista, will that give me the extra 50gb to srhink
[06:57] <fabrice_sp> good morning dholbach !
[06:58] <dholbach> hiya fabrice_sp, hi ara
[06:58] <ara> hey dholbach :)
[06:59] <justinnfx> my ubuntu download is done but I can firgure how to get more than 4gb of space
[06:59] <justinnfx> does ubuntu shrink the disk for you
[06:59] <justinnfx> i do got 80 gb left
[07:13] <justinnfx> Ok I used Paragon and I ended up making the unlocated space at the end 75gb in size.  Will ubuntu install from the unlocated space while doing dual boot?
[07:16] <fabrice_sp> justinnfx, yes, but I think you will receive more help in #ubuntu
[07:32] <didrocks> morning o/
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning didrocks - I commented on the murrine request
[07:34] <didrocks> hey dholbach ;)
[07:34] <didrocks> dholbach: looking at it. I just followed seb128 ask for packaging :)
[07:35] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[07:35] <geser> good morning
[07:36] <stefanlsd> Whats the procedure to request a rebuild of a package - no changes?
[07:37] <geser> provide debdiff as usual
[07:38] <geser> the debdiff will only contain the new changelog entry, but that's ok
[07:38] <geser> and use -XbuildY as revision if it doesn't have -XubuntuY already
[07:39] <stefanlsd> geser: kk. thanks
[07:49] <didrocks> dholbach: done
[07:51] <dholbach> didrocks: can you talk to seb128 about it when he turns up later on - dunno if the release team needs to weigh in there
[07:52] <didrocks> dholbach: about the FFe or the doubled work?
[07:52] <dholbach> didrocks: the FFe
[07:53] <didrocks> dholbach: seb128 gives a FFe each time he asks on #ubuntu-desktop to update a package :)
[07:53] <dholbach> didrocks: the doubled work can happen every time, if you said you reviewed the other changes and there's nothing worth merging, that's good enough for me
[07:54] <didrocks> dholbach: I merged the quilt removal, appart from that, nothing else useful
[07:54] <dholbach> ok good - please ask him anyway :)
[07:54] <didrocks> dholbach: I will ;)
[07:54] <dholbach> didrocks: thanks a lot for working on this
[07:55] <didrocks> dholbach: y/w
[07:56] <brendon> hello there
[07:57] <didrocks> morning brendon
[07:57] <brendon> anyone here who I can ask a question about developing a python app in ubuntu?
[07:57] <brendon> hello didrocks
[07:58] <brendon> where about are you didrocks?  I'm in florida, it's 4am
[07:58] <didrocks> brendon: France, it's 9am ;)
[07:59] <brendon> cool, I've never been to France.  I just came to America from China a week ago, so my internal time is off.
[07:59] <brendon> are you involved with MOTU ?
[07:59] <didrocks> I can imagine ^^
[08:00] <didrocks> brendon: yes, as most of people there, I am kinda busy now (some packages to update), bbl
[08:00] <didrocks> brendon: for python support, you can maybe try later, if more people will be awake ;)
[08:01] <brendon> thanks didrocks, good luck with your packages, I have some debuggin' to do :)
[08:01] <didrocks> brendon: thanks, you too!
[09:10] <brendon> I'm still here if anyone's feeling chatty
[09:11] <brendon> I suppose I should say that from time to time
[09:11] <kaushal> hi
[09:11] <kaushal> is there any simple way to upgrade 2.24.3 (ubuntu 8.10) to 2.26.0?
[09:11] <slytherin> kaushal: no
[09:11] <brendon> are you talking about the kernel?
[09:12] <brendon> anyway, there is always 1 simple way to upgrade... 3 step process.
[09:13] <brendon> step 1: partition your drive and resize a big area for backup
[09:13] <brendon> step 2: reinstall the OS
[09:13] <brendon> step 3: reinstall all of your favorite software
[09:14] <kaushal> slytherin, curious to know about the reason :)
[09:14] <brendon> I do that several times a year ;)
[09:14] <kaushal> I mean evolution package
[09:14] <brendon> oh, you can uninstall evolution then download the source and install from source.
[09:14] <slytherin> kaushal: you will have to also upgrade all it's dependencies and there is high chance to break your installation. So that is why there is 'no simple way to upgrade'.
[09:15] <kaushal> sure
[09:15] <kaushal> Thanks slytherin
[09:15] <kaushal> so there will be no update for evolution email client for Ubuntu 8.04 ?
[09:15] <brendon> does it hurt to try?  you can "apt-get remove" if it doesn't work.  then reinstall the default
[09:16] <slytherin> !sru > kaushal
[09:17] <slytherin> brendon: it may actually hurt
[09:18] <brendon> I guess I can imagine so, slytherin, but I'm the type of person who likes to bring on the trouble ;)  fixing bugs makes my day
[09:19] <slytherin> brendon: but there is no reason to recommend same to others. :-)
[09:19] <directhex> "stable" means "doesn't change"
[09:19] <brendon> but really, for such a standard app such as evolution I can't imagine what major conflicts would occur.
[09:19] <directhex> updating evo includes invasive changes such as the move to sqlite
[09:19] <brendon> your right slytherin, sorry for the bad advice.  I've never had any critical issues from a bad package install so I didn't know.
[09:20] <brendon> the most sound advice is to make a bug-report or software request for this type of thing, correct?
[09:21] <brendon> good to know directhex, thanks
[09:22] <brendon> does anyone here have experience packaging a python app?
[09:31] <brendon> welcome Kmos
[09:55] <Laney> ScottK: Uwe moved to 1.37 in Debian
[10:42] <brendon1> anybody home?
[10:57] <Toadstool> hi guys!
[11:03] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_, I'm working on bug 344660
[11:03] <quadrispro> (hi to everybody)
[11:09] <brendon1> hello to toadstool and quadrispro
[11:10] <quadrispro> hi brendon1
[11:10]  * quadrispro going away for some minute
[11:10] <brendon1> how are things?
[11:10] <brendon1> ok
[11:14] <quadrispro> brendon1, are you asking about python transition?
[11:16] <brendon1> yes
[11:16] <quadrispro> it's almost done
[11:16] <brendon1> how did you know?  is there a review function?
[11:16] <quadrispro> http://gaspa.yattaweb.it/issues/edos/jaunty_i386_edosresults.xml
[11:16] <brendon1> oh wait, no, I don't think I'm asking about python transition.
[11:17] <quadrispro> ah ok
[11:17] <brendon1> I've made an application in python, and I'm trying to package it.
[11:18] <brendon1> I've got it working successfully through dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage
[11:18] <brendon1> and then I can run the package from the command line, but I can't run it from the Applications menu
[11:18] <brendon1> it hangs on "Starting application-name" then dies
[11:19] <brendon1> so I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get a python app running through the Applications menu
[11:20] <quadrispro> brendon1, you need to provide a .desktop file and install it in /usr/share/applications dir
[11:21] <brendon1> I have the desktop file, let me see if it's there...
[11:22] <brendon1> yeah, it's in there.
[11:23] <quadrispro> you could install it by adjusting setup.py script (if you have one)
[11:24] <quadrispro> brendon1, take a look to this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#.desktop%20Files
[11:24] <brendon1> I think that's not the problem.  you know, even if you just double click the app.py and run it that way, it always pops up a terminal first and runs it through the terminal... know what I mean?  I have a feeling that this type of program is somehow dependent on a terminal
[11:24] <brendon1> because it's python
[11:25] <quadrispro> brendon1, but does your app need to run in a terminal window?
[11:27] <brendon1> this perhaps is my question.  I've made many GUI interfaces before, but this is the first time I've tried to install one...  I usually run them myself from a terminal, so I don't know how to skip the terminal
[11:27] <brendon1> for example, with a java frames app I would: java app.class
[11:27] <brendon1> and for a python app I would: python app.py
[11:27] <directhex> write a script to run "python app.py"
[11:28] <directhex> make that script executable, point a .desktop file at it
[11:28] <quadrispro> yes, it's the right way
[11:29] <brendon1> that's it!  I think I know now... the applications menu icon is linking directly to the app.py.  Then it's doing the same thing it would if I clicked on it... it's wondering if it should open it or run it...
[11:30] <quadrispro> brendon1, anyway, we are in Feature Freeze so you could upload your package to REVU, I think we could review it in time for Karmic
[11:31] <brendon1> thanks quadrispro, but I think this package has a while to go before it's acceptable for anyone to look at.
[11:31] <brendon1> This is my first time making a linux package, and for Ubuntu standards I think I'll have a lot to do.
[11:31] <quadrispro> ok
[11:32] <brendon1> I'm mostly doing this because I want to learn more and become a contributor for Ubuntu.
[11:33] <brendon1> so I figured making my own package would be the best way to start learning the process of packaging.
[11:35] <quadrispro> yes, it's good starting point
[11:36] <brendon1> do you have any other tips to help me faster along?  I'm on extended holiday now, so I'm in study mode everyday.
[11:38] <quadrispro> of course, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted contains a lot of useful information
[11:38] <Laney> no!
[11:38] <Laney> Don't start with making a new package :(
[11:38] <quadrispro> about packaging and development process
[11:38] <brendon1> yeah, I've read a lot of that, but it's a little overwhelming
[11:39] <quadrispro> Laney thinks different :)
[11:39] <Laney> we have plenty of bugs, fix some of those
[11:41] <directhex> Laney, i always advice bug triage as the first thing a new developer should try their hand at
[11:41] <brendon1> I'm not sure where to start at the bug tracker
[11:43] <hggdh> brendon1, /j #ubuntu-bugs
[11:45] <brendon1> anyway, I've never fixed a bug before, I'm afraid most of them are to specific.
[13:33] <slytherin> slomo: ping
[13:50] <brendon> where'd all the humans go?
[13:50] <RainCT> humans? :)
[13:50] <ScottK> brendon: Everyone here except you is a bot.
[13:51] <brendon> is that true?
[13:51] <brendon> what are the bots doing?  waiting for secret govn info?
[13:51] <directhex> Please go on.
[13:51] <directhex> Does that question interest you?
[13:51] <geser> the answer is simple: taking over the world
[13:52] <directhex> Please go on.
[13:52] <brendon> bots do interest me, I've spent ages working on an intelligent bot
[13:52] <directhex> Can you elaborate on that?
[13:53] <brendon> but it was hard enough getting it to understand just me without worrying about putting it in a chat environment
[13:53] <directhex> Can you elaborate on that?
[13:54] <brendon> to elaborate, language based AI, dissecting sentences and organizing information into data trees
[13:54] <directhex> Please go on.
[13:54] <brendon> then hoping that the bot will respond correctly and concisely to specific questions
[13:55] <directhex> Please go on.
[13:55] <brendon> ambiguity was the big problem, of course, and the fact that people don't always make sense would be the other issue
[13:55] <directhex> When?
[13:56] <brendon> when what?
[13:56] <directhex> Does that question interest you?
[13:56] <brendon> hehe
[13:56] <brendon> your a bot
[13:56] <directhex> Please go on.
[13:56] <directhex> What about your own a bot?
[14:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:25] <_ruben> superm1: is there a (standard) way with dkms to have a Module.symvers file to be included in the tarball/deb output ?
[14:27] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_: I'm working on bug 340827
[14:27] <superm1> _ruben, hmm, not currently I dont believe
[14:28] <geser> Hi bddebian
[14:28] <bddebian> Hi geser
[14:28] <_ruben> superm1: bugger .. i got 2 kmods where one depends on the other in that needs its Module.symvers file :/
[14:31] <superm1> _ruben, well why not just put them both in the same dkms package?
[14:32] <superm1> _ruben, i might be mistaken, someone might have found a crafty way to do it, I'm just not aware off hand of a standard way
[14:33] <brendon> apt-get needs to install both packages at the same time in this case, such as: apt-get install package1 package2
[14:33] <brendon> I don't know if that helps
[14:33] <_ruben> superm1: combining them has crossed my mind, as they're closely related, but the 2nd isnt a requirement for the 1st (only the other way around) .. guess i could make 2 dkms packages: 1 for kmod 1, another for kmod 1+2
[14:33] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_: I've added a comment, please file a bug on debian BTS
[14:55] <cjwatson> directhex: I don't think bug triage is a "developer lite" kind of thing. It's a skilled job that not everyone is good at, IME
[14:55] <nxvl> nixternal: ping
[15:05] <nixternal> nxvl: pong
[15:06] <directhex> cjwatson, if people want to contribute, i'd rather they help an existing package than dump more half-maintained crap into the archive - they still end up learning all the tools
[15:06] <cjwatson> directhex: help an existing package, absolutely, but that's a bit different from "bug triage"
[15:07] <cjwatson> work on producing patches for open bugs, I'd say
[15:07] <directhex> obviously they're not going to be able to do much on headline apps that isn't better served by core dev people, but there's plenty of universe that needs a light shining on it
[15:07] <directhex> yeahm, okay, i can agree with that
[15:35] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[15:38] <RainCT> Heya sistpoty|work
[15:38] <sistpoty|work> hi RainCT
[15:58] <ia> hello. could anyone point me, please, some howto/tutorial about creating -dbg deb package for application?
[16:00] <ia> ..oh, and about how such package to integrate in apport crash report system for sending bugs in launchpad.
[16:06] <ia> and another question - which adventages/disadvenages between cowbuilder and pbuilder and what does ubuntu maintainers use?
[16:14] <jmarsden> ia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash (is more about using the debug packages than building them) and I think most people use pbuilder rather than cowbuilder.
[16:20] <ia> jmarsden: oh, looks like it's easy as a pie - http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:tRVI1OJEo1kJ:www.calivia.com/blog/mike/debug-packages-for-debian (it's a cache link because original site is down :-)
[16:22] <jmarsden> Yes, that sounds about right.  For more examples, you could look at the debian/rules and debian/control in the source package of pretty much anything that has debug packages.
[17:06] <Laney> nixternal: "he MC has decided that it will open
[17:06] <Laney> up discussions concerning the charter by March 20, 2009. The following week,
[17:06] <Laney> on March 26, 2009 at 17:00 UTC"
[17:06] <Laney> What's the second sentence there? "Discussions will close"?
[17:06] <jpds> ...there will be a MOTU meeting.
[17:07] <nixternal> heh, how did I miss that one...
[17:07] <nixternal> Laney: I am going to resend as it will be a MOTU meeting and not a MOTU Council meeting
[17:08]  * ScottK wonders why MC action is needed on this?
[17:08] <Laney> righto
[17:08] <nixternal> ScottK: my understanding is that the charter hasn't been completed in a timely matter
[17:08] <ScottK> I think any individual MOTU (including those on the MC) can take this question up to a MOTU meeting.
[17:08] <ScottK> nixternal: Who determines timely?
[17:08] <ScottK> We have a draft.
[17:08] <nixternal> ya, it will be at the MOTU meeting, not the MOTU Council meeting
[17:09] <ScottK> nixternal: Fine, but I'd be a lot more comfortable with this being proposed by MOTU than MC sitting in judgement.
[17:09] <nixternal> I believe teh discussion will be to take the draft, fix it as needed, and then put it into effect
[17:09] <ScottK> MC is to mediate disputes, and AFAICT there is no dispute here that needs mediating.
[17:10] <nixternal> MC won't be sitting in judgement, just part of the discussions
[17:10] <ScottK> Then the announcement about it shouldn't come from the MC.
[17:11] <ScottK> I'm fine to have the discussion and a charter for motu-release that MOTU approve of, but I don't think the MC as an entity has a dog in this fight.
[17:12] <Laney> What's wrong with the MC collectively bringing topics up for MOTU discussion?
[17:12] <ScottK> Laney: It's not an MC duty.
[17:12] <nixternal> right, the MOTU will be approving, not the MC...the MC simply wanted to see discussions with MOTU going on concerning this. If nothing was opened by the 20th, then the MC had planned on opening it up by the 21st
[17:13] <ScottK> MC's charter (in a nutshell) is dispute resolution and actions in the new developer process delegated to it by the TB.
[17:13] <nixternal> for some reason, my cut/paste didn't work to well in that email...mutt some how failed to grab the entire text
[17:13] <ScottK> nixternal: I don't think the MC as an entity has any authority to want this.
[17:13] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council responsibilities are there
[17:13] <ScottK> As individual MOTU, sure thing.  No problem.
[17:14] <ScottK> Laney: Yes and I don't see anything there that's relevant.
[17:14] <nixternal> It will supervise policy decisions done by the MOTU team and can thus
[17:14] <nixternal> * intervene only if really needed \
[17:15] <ScottK> Yes, so what is requiring intervention?
[17:15] <nixternal> supervising a policy decision by opening up discussions
[17:15] <nixternal> that's all we are doing here
[17:15] <ScottK> Yes.  I think the prod to get back to work on the charter was reasonable.
[17:15] <nixternal> It will make efforts to keep the atmosphere calm and productive.
[17:15] <nixternal> and doing that in the grand scheme of things
[17:15] <nixternal> making the atmosphere productive
[17:16] <ScottK> I don't think setting arbitrary deadlines without consultation is consistent with keeping things calm and reasonable.
[17:16] <brendon2> what's a MC?
[17:16] <ScottK> There isn't really anything pushing  this to get done on any particular schedule.
[17:16] <ScottK> brendon2: MOTU Council.
[17:16] <brendon2> and a TB?
[17:16] <ScottK> We don't just package stuff here, we also have politics.
[17:16] <ScottK> Ubuntu Technical Board.
[17:17] <ScottK> Final stop for techincal decisions in Ubuntu.
[17:17] <brendon2> thanks skottk.  I'm new
[17:17] <ScottK> You're welcome and welcome to #ubuntu-motu.
[17:18] <brendon2> you guys really put in a lot to be doing this free of charge.  is this for the shear love of linux?
[17:18] <brendon2> I'm addicted to programming myself.
[17:18] <ScottK> Everyone who's here is here for their own reasons.
[17:19] <ScottK> For myself I suspect some kind of mental problem is the root of it.
[17:19] <jdong> ScottK: I think that's kind of universal :)
[17:19] <brendon2> ok, got it ;)
[17:19] <ScottK> jdong: Right, well in your case I have no doubts.
[17:19] <jdong> :D
[17:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Do me a favor and have the MC minutes say the MC is pleased to see progress on the draft charter and hopes it will come to a MOTU meeting for discussion soon.  Then send out something on your own that makes that so.
[17:20] <brendon2> I'm looking to grow as a developer, tired of being a solo developer
[17:22] <brendon> btw, I joined a mailing list for motu a few days ago and haven't gotten anything from it yet
[17:23] <ScottK> It's pretty low volume.  Most work is coordinated via IRC.
[17:23] <brendon> ah, then I came to the right place.
[17:23] <brendon> can anyone tell me how to go about triaging as a newbie?
[17:24] <brendon> I just started responding to some bugs, is that I have to do?  or should I be clicking something to give my a/disa-proval of the situation?
[17:24] <ScottK> For bug triage you want #ubuntu-bugs.
[17:25] <brendon> I'm logged in there too.  I think they're dead.
[17:26]  * ScottK regularly gets in trouble for 'doing it wrong', so is loathe to give advice on triage policy.
[17:29] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks for sending out the cancellation mail.
[17:30] <nixternal> np...trying to figure out a) why that email didn't get sent correctly, b) what time MOTU meetings should be, and c) getting pissed off with the wiki
[17:31] <ScottK> nixternal: Just so you know, there's still some email among the motu-release members as recently as today to make sure we're comfortable with what we drafted.
[17:31] <nixternal> I hate MoinMoin, or at least our MoinMoin...it is the most unorganized thing I have ever witnessed
[17:32] <ScottK> nixternal: I still can't find stuff after it got reorganized.
[17:32] <nixternal> me either
[17:32] <nixternal> the search sucks
[17:32] <nixternal> when you read a page, it looks like crap
[17:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Did you like my comment on your blog post about teenage daughters?
[17:32] <nixternal> ya I did
[17:32] <nixternal> I knew you would respond to that one too
[17:32] <ScottK> That's a true story.
[17:32] <nixternal> there were some really inspirational responses to it as well
[17:33] <nixternal> we have some very loving and passionate members in our community, not just us nut bags in here :p
[17:33] <ScottK> Remember job one is they turn 18 disease free and not pregnant.
[17:33] <nixternal> my daughter is still young enough to believe my BS
[17:33] <nixternal> she hasn't called me on anything yet
[17:33] <ScottK> Or at least to fake it.
[17:34] <ScottK> Later they don't bother.
[17:34] <nxvl> ScottK: hI!
[17:34] <nixternal> I told her that if I find out she talks with boys or she don't get all A's on her report card, she will spend the summer washing my car
[17:34] <ScottK> Hey nxvl.
[17:34] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:34] <nixternal> she did have a good comeback though on the report card bit and all A's... she said "Don't pressure me, support me"
[17:34] <nixternal> I was like "damn, I just got pwned by my own daughter"
[17:35] <ScottK> nixternal: Recent conversation with the 17 year old "In 9 months no one will be legally obligated to take care of you.  You might want to consider working on making it so that people want to".
[17:35] <nixternal> oh nice one
[17:35] <nxvl> ScottK: i send you a PM yesterday
[17:35] <ScottK> That was a pretty intense blowup.
[17:35] <ScottK> nxvl: Yeah,  You weren't around by the time I got it.
[17:35] <ScottK> nxvl: pm now?
[17:35] <nxvl> ScottK: i will send you an e-mail this afternoon to discuss the details
[17:36] <nxvl> ok that work
[17:36] <ScottK> Either way
[17:40] <andersk> Can someone look at this sync request that resolves a Jaunty sagemath crash?  bug 344903.
[17:41] <brendon> anything I can do to help MOTU today?
[17:42] <andersk> brendon: How about bug 344903 that I asked about right before you got here?  :-)
[17:43] <ScottK> andersk: He's not a MOTU, so it won't help you.
[17:43]  * ScottK will look.
[17:44] <andersk> Oh heh.  Great, thanks.
[17:45] <brendon> yeah, I figure you're looking for a special kind of click which I'm not authorized to do ;)
[17:45] <brendon> I'll read it anyway for fun though.
[17:52] <ScottK> andersk: What's the crash this fixes?
[17:53] <andersk> LP bug 339218; it crashes when you try to run the GUI.
[17:54] <andersk> `sage -notebook` to reproduce.
[17:54] <ScottK> Thanks
[17:56] <ScottK> andersk: If you're interested in this package you might want to help the Debian maintainer with teaching it not to use the embedded code copies.  I wouldn't have accepted this into Ubuntu like this.
[17:58] <andersk> That's a known bug; in fact the maintainer self-filed Debian #513837 and #513838 to prevent the package from entering testing in this state.  Jaunty picked it up anyway, though.
[17:59] <andersk> It doesn't build with any version of cython other than the embedded version (the version in Debian is too new).
[18:00] <andersk> It is hard to disentangle the integrated jsmath from this version of Sage, but that has been fixed in newer versions of Sage upstream.
[18:01] <andersk> (The Debian maintainer is sitting right next to me.  :-))
[18:05] <ScottK> Ah.  Excellent.
[18:06] <ScottK> Stuff that comes to us through Debian gets a more gentle review than stuff we package directly.
[18:07] <andersk> I kinda wonder in general if Ubuntu should hold off on syncing things from unstable with RC bugs, but maybe that would slow things down too much.
[18:09] <ScottK> Dunno.  It'd take some BTS integration to know and usually the stuff gets found after it would have sync'ed.
[18:09] <ScottK> BTW, I'm test building now and I'll approve the sync assuming it builds.
[18:09] <andersk> Thanks!
[18:10] <ScottK> You might want to pass on that if he puts (LP: #nnnnnn) in his Debian changelog, Ubuntu bugs will get autoclosed after a sync.
[18:10] <ScottK> On the off chance he cares ...
[18:46] <RainCT> woot, transparency is working again in terminator :)
[18:48] <brendon1> I just installed terminator the other day, what separates it from a regular terminal?
[18:48] <RainCT> brendon1: press Ctrl+Alt+O :)
[18:48] <fabrice_sp__> ScottK, you tried to get rid of libboost < 1.35, right? I'm building a package that still uses 1.34
[18:49] <jpds> s/Alt/Shift/
[18:49] <RainCT> err right
[18:49] <RainCT> lapsus
[18:49] <ScottK> fabrice_sp__: It's a goal.  It if works with 1.35, please change it.
[18:49] <fabrice_sp__> ScottK, ok. As it FTBFS, I'll try
[18:49] <ScottK> Thanks
[18:56] <jpds> Ng: Latest vte uploads fix terminator! ^-- \o/
[18:57] <Ng> jpds: yep, the bug is already closed :D
[18:57] <Nafallo> will they allow me to open terminator with a keyboard shortcut though?
[19:08] <ScottK> andersk: Looks good.  I've subscribed the archive admins and it should get done soonish.
[19:36] <mrooney> does anyone understand how the adblock-plus package works? in debian/rules it has a "include /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/xpi.mk" but that file doesn't exist
[19:36] <mrooney> although it seems to install fine
[19:37] <Snova> It's in the mozilla-devscripts package.
[19:37] <vadi2> Hi. Can anyone please upload a fixed gnome-web-photo to jaunty before the freeze? It was completely broken in jaunty (program does not start), and there is a fix with a .diff.gz already available here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-web-photo/+bug/342408
[19:46] <RainCT> okay guys, ext4 is officially evil now :P
[19:56] <mrooney> Snova: how does it install without pulling that package in?
[19:58] <Snova> mrooney: It only needs it to build. If that's what you're doing then, I probably have no idea what's going on.
[19:58] <mrooney> Snova: okay, huh
[20:06] <RainCT> asac: Hey. Does this look sane to you? http://paste.debian.net/30914    (part of the patch for bug #342408)
[20:10] <asac> RainCT: yes. seems they didnt use the mozjs glue i suggested at some point (like what google gadgets does)
[20:10] <asac> at least the title makes me think that
[20:13] <RainCT> asac: OK. What should the package depend upon, xulrunner-1.9 or xulrunner-1.9.1
[20:13] <RainCT> or just xulrunner?
[20:14] <asac> RainCT: which package links against libxul.so?
[20:15] <asac> RainCT: also ... how is the ld line would be helpful to understand the impact of this
[20:15] <RainCT> asac: gnome-web-photo
[20:15] <asac> RainCT: no. what lib links against it
[20:15] <asac> RainCT: just figure where it links against libxul in the build log please
[20:15] <asac> and show that line to me ;)
[20:18] <RainCT> asac: the only mention of libxul.so in the build log is:   dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `libxul.so'
[20:18] <asac> RainCT: its -lxul
[20:19] <RainCT> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133201/
[20:22] <asac> RainCT: -lxpcomglue_s -L/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-<IP_ADDRESS>/bin -lxul -lxpcom -lxpcomglue
[20:22] <asac> thats bogus
[20:23] <asac> on its own
[20:23] <asac> from: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Glue
[20:23] <asac> "Never link against xpcomglue.lib and xpcomglue_s.lib at the same time."
[20:23] <asac> and "Never link against xpcomglue.lib and xpcom.lib at the same time."
[20:24] <asac> but first is what is done here afaics
[20:27] <RainCT> uhm.. why isn't the -lxpcomglue in Makefile/configure? (i only see -lxpcomglue_s there)
[20:35] <asac> RainCT: not sure what they are into here ;)
[20:37] <asac> RainCT: i explained the obvious fact that we cannot link against libxul.so directly. so they are supposed to use the standalone glue to boot a xul environment
[20:37] <asac> maybe they did that now
[20:38] <asac> RainCT: they added it in Makefile.am
[20:38] <asac> -lxpcomglue
[20:38] <RainCT> uhm, got it working
[20:39] <RainCT> changing LIBXUL_LIBS="-L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/lib -lxpcomglue_s -L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/bin -lxul -lxpcom"
[20:39] <RainCT> to   LIBXUL_LIBS="-L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/lib -L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/bin -lxpcomglue_s -lxpcom -lnspr4"
[20:40] <asac> RainCT: ok so the idea is to add "embedding" to the LIBXUL macro used in configure.in
[20:40] <asac> if that doesnt work they definitly have deeper issues
[20:40] <slytherin> asac: is there any particular reason why we have version number in the directory name of xulrunner installation?
[20:40] <asac> e.g LIBXUL_INIT
[20:40] <asac> needs "embedding"
[20:41] <asac> slytherin: yes. so you cannot use -rpath
[20:41] <slytherin> asac: what is rpath?
[20:41] <asac> evil ;)
[20:41] <asac> not really evil. but in some cases
[20:41] <RainCT> asac: there is no configure.in
[20:41] <RainCT> only configure.ac and configure
[20:41] <asac> and in mozilla cases it was evil enough to take "extreme" measures
[20:42] <asac> RainCT: yeah. then .ac ;)
[20:42] <asac> i just hit TAB
[20:42] <maxb> rpath is a path to shared libraries hardcoded into the executable that wants to link to them
[20:42] <slytherin> asac: I have seen one or two packages which link against libxpcom.so, and once xulrunner is upgraded it does not work.
[20:42] <asac> RainCT: so try: LIBXUL_INIT([embedding]) ?
[20:43] <asac> yeah tahat should be right
[20:43] <asac> slytherin: right. thats why we change it so folks stop doing that
[20:43] <asac> slytherin: e.g. they use rpath or workaround by LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something
[20:43] <asac> slytherin: they must use the glue
[20:43] <asac> slytherin: if you have a list of packages, we should certainly try to fix them
[20:43] <slytherin> asac: I think it will take some time for me to understand.
[20:44] <slytherin> asac: IIRC, swt-gtk package was one of them.
[20:44] <asac> slytherin: right. for now just remember: everything that links directly against xpcom does something wrong ;)
[20:44] <RainCT> asac: I've done that and removed configure and now I got a FTBFS (GNOME_DEBUG_CHECK: command not found), and configure ends up with the same old line as before
[20:44] <asac> RainCT: why did you remove configure?`
[20:44] <asac> you need to update it not remove it
[20:45] <RainCT> so that it's created again? how do I update it?
[20:45] <slytherin> RainCT: autoreconf
[20:45] <RainCT> won't that add cruft?
[20:45] <asac> RainCT: just running autoconf is ok
[20:45] <asac> RainCT: create a patch
[20:46] <RainCT> and it still ends up with the old line
[20:46] <RainCT> what's wrong with just paching configure?
[20:46] <asac> RainCT: if you just patch configure its bad ;)
[20:46] <asac> RainCT: at least patch both
[20:47] <RainCT> I still get the FTBFS after autoreconf
[20:47] <asac> RainCT: usually you change configure.ac ... then rerun autoconf and capture that as a 99_autoconf patch or something
[20:48] <asac> RainCT: autoreconf is definitly too much
[20:48] <asac> RainCT: for me the package has a general problem
[20:48] <asac> it doesnt even build for me at all on jaunty
[20:48] <ni|> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk'.  Stop.
[20:48] <ni|> :?
[20:48] <RainCT> (and the packaging too, I doubt that went through revu ^^)
[20:49] <RainCT> ni|: is  cdbs  installed?
[20:49] <slytherin> ni|: do you have cdbs installed?
[20:49] <ni|> slytherin: yes
[20:49] <ni|> or so i think
[20:49] <ni|> the package is complete just waiting for that
[20:49] <RainCT> dpkg -l | grep cdbs;  ls /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/
[20:49] <RainCT> what does this say?
[20:49] <ni|> any reason why the cdbs docs on ubuntu.com are gone?
[20:49] <ni|> btw?
[20:50] <ni|> RainCT: i figured out my problem
[20:50] <ni|> i was b3eing stupid
[20:50] <RainCT> ni|: see file:///usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.html for the docs
[20:51] <slytherin> persia: If you haven't noticed already, gnome-user-share is now an official gnome module. :-)
[20:53] <RainCT> asac: can I ignore the warning about the files being from a different autoconf version?
[20:55] <ni|> RainCT: is there documentation specific to ubuntu for init scripts
[20:55] <asac> RainCT: yes. you probably have no choice ;)
[20:56] <RainCT> asac: ok.. with autoconf instead of autoreconf it still fails to build, and still doesn't modify that line in configure
[20:56] <slytherin> RainCT: did you rm'ed the directory autom4cache (or something like that)
[20:57] <asac> RainCT: well. what do you mean by diesnt modify that line in configure?
[20:57] <asac> which line?
[20:57] <RainCT> >> changing LIBXUL_LIBS="-L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/lib -lxpcomglue_s -L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/bin -lxul -lxpcom"
[20:57] <RainCT> >> to   LIBXUL_LIBS="-L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/lib -L${libxul_cv_sdkdir}/bin -lxpcomglue_s -lxpcom -lnspr4"
[20:58] <RainCT> slytherin: there's nothing like that
[20:58] <RainCT> ah wait, after autoconf there is
[20:59] <jdong> ScottK / SRU/MOTU-release type folks: Anyone mind if I approved bug 341832?
[21:00]  * ScottK isn't in motu-sru.
[21:00] <jdong> it's a "SRU" (more or less jaunty->intrepid complete backport) of a no-rdepends package completely broken in its current state
[21:00] <jdong> ScottK: no but you have sane advice on such matters :)
[21:01] <RainCT> argh that package is completely br0ken
[21:01] <ScottK> Sounds fine to me.
[21:02] <jdong> cool
[21:03] <RainCT> if I create a patch it fails to apply just after that..
[21:04] <RainCT> slytherin: and it still FTBFS after removing that
[21:04] <slytherin> RainCT: don't have any other clue. And I am felling sleepy. :-( best luck with solving that FTBFS.
[21:05] <RainCT> unless someone can give me a really convincing reason not to do so, I'll just use my fix (just patching configure)..
[21:23] <asac> RainCT: how do you plan to pathc configure?
[21:23] <asac> ah like above
[21:23] <asac> yeah do that if you want that
[21:23] <asac> but the problem is that in Makefile.am they appent the -lxpcomglue
[21:23] <asac> so you wills till end up  with that appened
[21:39] <mrooney> It seems like this is the last day to get my update in, can anyone perform it? It would be ever so much appreciated! (bug 333639)
[21:39] <mrooney> It is in my PPA, and there is also a tarball linked which can be uploaded verbatim
[21:49] <ajmitch> ScottK: rdiff-backup 1.2.5-1build1  has files in /usr/local - I can either fix this or grab 1.2.7-1 which is in Debian, it appears to be a bugfix release. Should I file a FFe for it?
[21:51] <RainCT> didrocks: *poke*
[21:58] <ScottK> ajmitch: If it's bugfix, no FFe needed.
[21:59] <ajmitch> alright, thanks
[22:02] <ajmitch> hopefully there's no change required beyond --install-layout=deb
[22:19] <didrocks> RainCT: yes?
[22:21] <RainCT> didrocks: nevermind :)
[22:21] <didrocks> RainCT: oki :)
[22:45] <ScottK> ajmitch: That's likely it.
[22:45] <cody-somerville> :) I love python 2.6
[22:46]  * ScottK suspects he is probably the guilty party for missing that the first time.
[22:46] <ajmitch> ScottK: it wasn't you on this package
[22:46] <ScottK> Ah good.
[22:47] <ajmitch> besides, from reading #u-devel, I need to strip --prefix from debian/rules before I upload it
[22:47] <ajmitch>     - The options --install-layout=deb and --prefix are exclusive.
[22:50] <ajmitch> this is now a problem, as it does appear to need --prefix to use $(CURDIR)
[22:53]  * ScottK doesn't recall removing --prefix.
[22:55] <ajmitch> this change was in a python upload about 6 hours ago
[22:56] <ajmitch> using --root appears to work
[22:56]  * ajmitch will upload after lunch


[06:15] <Peng_Fan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1f18VWRd/
[06:15] <Peng_Fan> Anyone know what this issue is about? I am installing ubuntu-21.04 on i.MX8MM-EVK.
[06:15] <Peng_Fan> Is it network connection broken?


[04:51] <hikiko> hello
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:29] <didrocks> good morning pitti!
[06:29] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! comment vas-tu ?
[06:29] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien, et toi ? :)
[06:30] <pitti> ça va bien aussi ! bien rentrè de Louvain
[06:30] <pitti> on a revu Michael et sa femme, ils ont un petite bébé maintenant :)
[06:35] <didrocks> oh :)
[07:03] <desrt> hello fellow coworkers!
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[07:05] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[07:05] <desrt> you're very active in the desktop channel this morning
[07:05] <desrt> considering a career change? :)
[07:05] <didrocks> 4 messages! :)
[07:06] <didrocks> ahah
[07:10] <pitti> bonjour desrt!
[07:22] <desrt> hihi pitti :)
[07:22] <desrt> seems like #-desktop is full of non-desktop people this morning :)
[07:23] <pitti> s3kr1t world^Wdesktop domination plan!
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:03] <Laney> sup sup sup
[08:03] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg Laney
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 o/
[08:03] <seb128> how is u.k?
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Full of Ubuflu here.
[08:03] <pitti> good day flexiondotorg and Laney
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:03] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> pitti, o/
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke! wir hatten ein schönes Wochenende in Leuven
[08:04] <seb128> nice
[08:04] <pitti> Laney, seb128: the silo f*****ng landed!!
[08:04] <seb128> wooot
[08:04] <pitti> (just needs to get through the autopkgtest queue)
[08:04] <seb128> so only hud and unity-greeter remaining?
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: I'll put up another request for hud today, but for z only
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: yes, u-g is on my list
[08:05] <seb128> I was planning to do hud today
[08:05]  * pitti is still finishing up some britney reworking to unblock Rob
[08:05] <seb128> sorry just got too busy at the sprint to deal with that
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: oh, even better
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: no worries
[08:05] <Laney> hey seb128 flexiondotorg pitti desrt didrocks!
[08:05] <Laney> the silo of doooooooooom
[08:06] <pitti> I guess the hud z-only one should take only a few hours in comparison :)
[08:08] <Laney> ah, team meeting email from seb128
[08:08] <Laney> it's like the good old days
[08:09] <pitti> what, no telegram group? :-)
[08:09] <seb128> :-)
[08:10] <Laney> it was rocket chat at the sprint
[08:10] <Laney> let's just wait a couple of years until we're back to IRC :P
[08:10] <didrocks> hey hey flexiondotorg, Laney!
[08:10] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, Laney Morning
[08:11] <Laney> https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/790558903301869572
[08:17] <seb128> lol
[08:17] <pitti> +1
[08:27] <seb128> is "show my location" working for others in firefox on google map (if you are not connect to a google account) or on openstreetmap?
[08:28] <seb128> connected*
[08:29] <pitti> *not* connected to google -- i. e. in pr0n mode?
[08:29] <seb128> lol
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: where do I see "show my location" in gmap?
[08:29] <seb128> bottom right
[08:29] <seb128> the  icon on top of +/-
[08:29] <seb128> round
[08:30] <seb128> it should trigger a "do you want to share your location"
[08:30] <davmor2> seb128: it doesn't give me the right possition but it works ish
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: yes, I do get the popup question, say yes, and it moves to Augsburg
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: (that's in private mode, i. e. not logged into anything)
[08:31] <davmor2> I had the popup
[08:31] <pitti> it's of course off by ~ 4 km, but I'd still call it "works"
[08:31] <pitti> actually quite impressive for geolocation
[08:32] <davmor2> pitti: +1
[08:32] <pitti> (or "scary", depending on your PoV :) )
[08:32] <seb128> davmor2, pitti, thanks, in fact it works for me as well in a guest session, so I guess it's something in my user profile :-/
[08:38] <seb128> yeah, was my profile :-/
[08:42] <davmor2> \o/
[08:43] <seb128> wth, geo.wifi.url is set to "geoloc://localhost/b5i6p5sy"
[08:43] <seb128> resetting that fixes it
[08:43] <Laney> seb128: pitti: didrocks: larsu: desrt(???): two years ago today we were walking around DC looking at public art
[08:43] <Laney> google just told me
[08:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ hey, do you have any idea what could have set that for me?
[08:43] <Laney> \o/
[08:43]  * Laney checks firefox too
[08:43] <desrt> Laney: google location tracking stuff?
[08:43] <Laney> "on this day" notification
[08:44] <seb128> that's trendy, facebook does that as well
[08:45] <Laney> https://goo.gl/photos/LeEXZ8Kko9y59Fqy6
[08:46] <Laney> geolocation works for me
[08:47] <Laney> that URL is set to googleapis.com/stuff
[08:47] <seb128_> sorry, got disconnected
[08:47] <Laney> more accurate than 4km too, maybe 300m
[08:47] <seb128_> yeah, default is googleapi
[08:48] <seb128_> unsure how mine got set to localhost
[08:48] <seb128_> oh
[08:49] <seb128> oohhhhh, I remember
[08:50] <seb128> it's my fault, I tried to use something to fake the location once to see if that was enough to get tv replay working while travelling
[08:50] <Laney> haha
[08:50] <larsu> Laney: public art?
[08:50] <larsu> also, hi Laney :)
[08:50] <seb128> hey larsu, how is live in Berlin?
[08:50] <larsu> and hi EVERYONE
[08:50] <larsu> seb128: grey :/
[08:51] <larsu> otherwise great, of course. How are you
[08:51] <seb128> I'm good
[08:51] <larsu> how was the sprint?
[08:51] <seb128> really good!
[08:51]  * larsu missed you guys
[08:51] <seb128> we had fun, and team dinner was really great
[08:51] <seb128> we missed you as well
[08:52] <seb128> we had didrocks joining us so that was nice
[08:52] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:52] <Laney> see the album link
[08:54] <larsu> Laney: ooh, nice memories :)
[09:08] <seb128> getting off IRC for a while, navigating between places since we have workers at home and I can't really work from there with the noise&co
[09:42] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, so my libreoffice build from yesterday failed with the most awesome error message ever: "No. You make ME a sandwich."
[09:56] <pitti> haha
[09:56] <pitti> Sweet5hark: #include <xkcd.h> ?
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> it seems you've answered your question now :)
[10:03] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yup. A failsafe in the libreoffice Makefile to prevent some clueless newcomers from running the builds as root, and then exploding their system when they try to dig out of their hole ...
[10:15]  * Sweet5hark still feeling somewhat sick today. Probably had some bad fruit yesterday :/
[10:31] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi :), when you prepare <IP_ADDRESS>, please pick up a fix for https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99723 if it doesn't get merged
[10:31] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99723 in Printing and PDF export "Setting image Compression in PDF export does not result in smaller file size" [Major,New]
[10:44] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: thats an UI change. have you checked how this interacts with l10ns (even if they are wrong now)?
[10:46] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, how is that an UI change?
[10:48] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: it does changes in a .ui file -- thats pretty much the definition of a ui-change, because changes there might break l10n.
[10:50] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I think you are looking at the wrong bug report
[10:50] <ricotz> this is the corresponding gerrit proposal https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30163/1
[10:52] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: urgh. but that seems only to be half of the solution, see: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99723#c10
[10:52] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99723 in Printing and PDF export "Setting image Compression in PDF export does not result in smaller file size" [Major,New]
[10:58] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hmm, despite this the functionality itself isn't working at all
[10:58] <ricotz> so I was aiming for the recent patch
[11:00] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: well, half-fixing a regression will just create more trouble. Id think we should have both patches or none backported.
[11:03] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I guess this is your choice then, but I don't see this string change being merged with 5.2.3 though
[11:04] <ricotz> meaning leaving its complete functionality broken, which is worse imho
[11:05] <pitti> robru: so "the" indicator ticket landed now, but finalize stumbled over something: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710
[11:11] <Sweet5hark> yeeeha, https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+snap/libreoffice-snap-test/+build/8051 got past the "no. you make ME a sandwich."
[11:14] <davmor2> username is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:35] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: pushed the patch to master, suggested it for inclusion in 5.2.4, left it out of 5.2.3. also left aside the quality/compression exchange: its not a recent regression and a UI change.
[11:46] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, thanks!
[12:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, indeed did ;-)
[12:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you have a nice w.e? when did you finally got back with the lcy issues?
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I got back home at 4am. I regret not just getting in a taxi at stansted now
[12:22] <chrisccoulson> or, even better - I could have hired a car at stansted and drove myself back. I'd have got back home by midnight, and it would have only cost around £80
[12:23] <chrisccoulson> I even had my drivers license with me. I'm not sure why I didn't think of that on friday night
[12:23] <seb128> :-/
[12:52] <xnox> chrisccoulson, ouch. I did say there were delays. I guess i'm lucky, with just a just one hour delay into gatwick and then taking a train.
[14:40] <dobey> qengho: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Premium-Sous-Vide-Cooker/
[15:01] <pitti> tedg: do you know why an indicator would cause some dbus chattery (http://paste.ubuntu.com/23379244/) in the unity-greeter process when it gets started through upstart, but not from the command line or through systemd with the same environment?
[15:01] <pitti> tedg: I'm trying to port unity-greeter, and the obvious bits are easy (indicators are running), but the greeter panel does not "see" them
[15:02] <tedg> pitti: GMenuModel only becomes chatty after the first request, so it tries to reduce dbus traffic unless it thinks someone is listening.
[15:03] <pitti> tedg: i. e. I start it on the CLI with http://paste.ubuntu.com/23379252/ and there's no obvious error
[15:03] <pitti> tedg: but initctl stop/start indicator-datetime works fine
[15:03] <tedg> pitti: Could they be on different dbus busses?
[15:04] <pitti> tedg: oh, good point
[15:04] <pitti> I see the dbus-user-session one (from dbus.service), and the a11y one, but also
[15:05] <pitti> /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
[15:05] <tedg> Heh, you've got a lot of busses! ;-)
[15:05] <pitti> tedg: indeed
[15:05] <pitti> unity-greeter has DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-DOnxE5hDZW,guid=98ea1b57b0a2e9941242aabd580f7015
[15:05] <pitti> everything else the normal unix:path=/run/user/108/bus
[15:06] <tedg> Could upstart be starting one?
[15:06] <pitti> tedg: thanks, nice hint! (quite obvious in retrospect, but I didn't get that idea)
[15:06] <tedg> I like how you described the user bus as "normal" ;-)
[15:06]  * tedg is too old for these new fangled busses
[15:06] <pitti> well, I describe "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS exists, use it instead of launching a new one" as normal :)
[15:07] <pitti> tedg: but honestly I prefer a tram as well!
[15:18] <seb128> Laney, was it to you that I pointed out buggy indicators (icons being the icon-not-found one) in the plenary? that could be bug #1635625
[15:18] <ubot5`> bug 1635625 in unity (Ubuntu) "Some indicator icons are missing after unlocking the screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635625
[15:18] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, ^ is that something known by you?
[15:19] <andyrock> nope
[15:19] <Trevinho> seb128: no
[15:19] <seb128> k
[15:20] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, hey btw, had a good trip back?
[15:20] <Laney> could be
[15:20] <Laney> good find
[15:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, it has been quite easy for me... I've spent one more day in the hague. Then short fly.
[15:20] <andyrock> seb128: web weekend but yeah :D
[15:21] <seb128> lol
[15:21] <seb128> because weather sucks in Italy? ;-)
[15:21] <andyrock> *wet
[15:21] <seb128> Trevinho, hope you enjoyed the bike tour on saturday ;-)
[15:21] <andyrock> i was in berlin
[15:21] <andyrock> ahah
[15:22] <seb128> that explains it
[15:27] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, short but nice
[15:28] <Trevinho> seb128: tested that indicator issue with the electron app mentioned there, I can't reproduce it though,
[15:29] <seb128> Trevinho, k, seems like with appindicator but it might be a race with the upstart/systemd job?
[15:30] <seb128> but meanwhile it's meeting time
[15:30] <seb128> so let's do that
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-10-25
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 25 15:30:22 2016 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <seb128> roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (out), hikiko (out?), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:30] <andyrock> 0/
[15:30] <dgadomski> o/
[15:31] <seb128> (sorry I don't have a good overview of those who are not back yet/out this week, didn't properly sync up with willcooke)
[15:31] <desrt> o hai
[15:31] <seb128> I hope everybody had a fun team week and made it back without too many issues
[15:31] <seb128> k, let's get started
[15:31] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:32] <andyrock> hey
[15:32] <andyrock> so sprint
[15:32] <andyrock> and I started to work on unity8 quicklist
[15:32] <andyrock> update the design and add some things that are not still there
[15:32] <andyrock> like the list of open windows
[15:32] <andyrock> eof
[15:33] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:33] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey
[15:34] <attente> mostly sprint with planning and discussions about the next cycle
[15:34] <seb128> attente, hey, I was unsure if you were already back since you left on sunday
[15:34] <seb128> good to see you made it ;-)
[15:34] <attente> seb128: yep, good to be home :)
[15:35] <attente> trying to finish the paste side of the copy-paste thing with gtk-mir
[15:35] <seb128> tonigh it climbing night? ;-)
[15:35] <attente> seb128: you know it
[15:35] <seb128> (sorry didn't mean to disturbe in the middle of your summary, should I waited for you to be done with the update part)
[15:36] <Laney> it's quicker to say which night isn't climbing night
[15:36] <Laney> NONE OF THEM!
[15:36] <seb128> :-)
[15:36] <attente> ;)
[15:36] <attente> anyways, (eof)
[15:37] <seb128> thanks attente
[15:37] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:37] <desrt> hey meetingmaster seb :D
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, hey, hope you are feeling better this week
[15:37] <seb128> :-)
[15:37] <desrt> - sprint last week
[15:37] <desrt> - path-based and negative locks in dconf dbs are working
[15:37] <desrt> - client side dconf proxy stuff is fleshed-out, but details related to detection of confinement remain
[15:37] <desrt> - work starting on proxy service
[15:37] <desrt> - figured out the algorithm for converting app confinment policy + admin lockdown into a configuration of 2 dconf dbs to expose to the confined client
[15:37] <desrt> - recovering from ubuflu
[15:37] <desrt> *cough*
[15:38] <seb128> get better!
[15:38] <desrt> thx!
[15:38] <seb128> thanks desrt
[15:38] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> unfortunately I don't have anything desktop-related to share this time. Plus I've been off a couple of days last week.
[15:38] <dgadomski> so that's an EOF
[15:38] <seb128> no worry, thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <seb128> #topic FJKong_
[15:38] <seb128> FJKong_, hey
[15:39] <FJKong_> hii
[15:39] <FJKong_> not ready yet
[15:39] <FJKong_> maybe 1min later
[15:39] <seb128> k, I'm coming back to you at the end
[15:39] <seb128> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:40] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> Hello!
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> Before the sprint:
[15:40] <seb128> getting over the ubuflu?
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Ubuntu 16.10 image testing.
[15:40]  * flexiondotorg coughs
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Getting more familiar with Unity 8 and Libertine on the desktop.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Assisting tvoss with VC4 hardware enablement for Raspberry Pi 2/3
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • 1/2 day on Ubuntu MATE release tasks as agreed with Will.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Updated merge proposal (Firefox tooltips)  for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1478173)
[15:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1478173 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance & Radiance themes are missing a "background-color" for tooltip elements (needed for GTK3-enabled Firefox Nightly)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478173
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Created a merge proposal (dim insensitive icons)  for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety  and Xenial (LP: #1578810)
[15:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1578810 in Ubuntu theme "Insensitive (disabled) toolbar icons in GTK3 are not dimmed" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1578810
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> The sprint and after:
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • UES Sprint preparation on Pathable and wrap-up tasks.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • The joy of Ubuflu.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> • Researched Candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated the Trello board.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> • Experimenting with snap content-interface.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:41] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg, sounds like you have been busy, which is good ;-)
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> Somewhat.
[15:41] <seb128> hope you get over the ubuflu in the next days!
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> Will be picking up on the GTK theme fixes from tomorrow.
[15:42] <seb128> great
[15:42] <seb128> k, next one
[15:42] <seb128> happyaron is off this week
[15:42] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <seb128> hikiko, you around or should I post the summary you sent me?
[15:42] <seb128> oh and hey ;-)
[15:43] <seb128> I guess she's out so let's enjoy working copy/paste in u7!
[15:43] <seb128> * in Hague: worked in old bugs/low gfx presentation
[15:43] <seb128> * I was off on Monday
[15:43] <seb128> * today: I'm finishing the task from before Hague, to start working on
[15:43] <seb128> the next features we discussed in the sprint
[15:43] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, hey there!
[15:44] <Laney> sup
[15:44] <Laney> • 16.10 release work, testing ISOs, reviewing/accepting packages & marking things as ready
[15:44] <Laney> • schprint
[15:44] <Laney> • synced perl and did approximately 568 uploads for the ensuing transition, including some real fixes; more coming & fixing all the fallout (FTBFS, tests, etc)
[15:44] <Laney> • uploaded theme for dimmed icon fixes
[15:44] <Laney> • tried to find some easy packaging tasks for FJK, thanks jbicha
[15:44] <Laney> • started experimenting with AMQP for the appstream decentralisation work, thanks lxd
[15:44] <Laney> • helped with some opening tasks (setting up reports and stuff)
[15:44] <Laney> 🚨
[15:44] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:44] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:44] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:45] <seb128> no qengho?
[15:46] <seb128> k, let's move on
[15:46] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:47] <seb128> I didn't take detailled notes during the team week but went to quite some sessions, trying to figure out what we need to do next cycle and what is coming from other teams, otherwise spent monday catching up on emails/discussions and today doing bugtriage and preparing for the next cycle
[15:47] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - den Haag sprint
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - libreoffice 5.1.6~rc2 staging to ppa for xenial
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - first light one hour ago: libreoffice <IP_ADDRESS> snap completes launchpad builds on amd64: https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+snap/libreoffice-snap-test/+build/8051
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - (untested, no other platforms yet, some more fineprint)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream patch review, backporting and fixing nasty buildsystem cornercases
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> on an unrelated note: Im just heating up some canned ravioli, will call them "pasta" in impunity as there wont be anything italians will be able to do about that.
[15:47] <Laney> :D
[15:48] <seb128> be careful they might remember next time they see you
[15:48] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark!
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> seb128: true
[15:48] <seb128> didn't get any status update from Themuso so next is
[15:49] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:49] <tkamppeter>            - cups-filters: Allow changing BrowseInterval and BrowseTimeout for legacy CUPS browsing in cups-browsed, replace old man page macro calls in foomatic-rip man page, fixed crash in texttopdf, fixed checking of whether a network printer is a compatible PCL 5c/e one in cups-browsed.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Further testing of printing snap, found a way to solve the problem of fonts not being found.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - First successful auto-setup of an IPP Everywhere printer with cups-browsed.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks, and nice demo on friday, shame that you hit that network bug at the end :-/
[15:51] <seb128> k, next
[15:51] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <seb128> Trevinho, hey ;-)
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Sprint attendance, lots of meetings
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Improvements and cleanup for qmenumodel
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Added more unit tests for qmenumodel
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Updated calendar indicator to show days with events
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Fixed clipping in slots-layout based menu items for indicators
[15:51] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:51] <tkamppeter> seb128, probably they were already taking down the network instead of sitting down, listening to sabdfl and relaxing ...
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, could have been it :-)
[15:52] <seb128> Trevinho, good work, thanks!
[15:52] <seb128> so robert is not back so no summary from him
[15:53] <seb128> which means we go back to FJKong_ if I haven't forgotten anyone on the way
[15:53] <seb128> #topic FJKong_
[15:53] <seb128> FJKong_, ready this time? ;-)
[15:53] <FJKong_> Sprint
[15:53] <FJKong_> Bug#831093 fix build error in qterm
[15:53] <FJKong_> discuss on using input method in snaps
[15:53] <FJKong_> #1630281
[15:53] <FJKong_> fltk-based app snap exit with "XOpenIM() failed
[15:53] <FJKong_> #1635267
[15:53] <FJKong_> cqrlog cann't remove from yakkety
[15:53] <FJKong_> #1636249
[15:53] <FJKong_> Drop patches from 3.22.0-1ubuntu1 that aren't needed with GNOME 3.22 Edit
[15:53] <FJKong_> in progressing
[15:53] <FJKong_> eof
[15:53] <seb128> thanks FJKong_!
[15:53] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:54] <seb128> did I forget anyone? or does anyone has some extra topic they wanted to bring?
[15:55]  * desrt blinks
[15:55] <seb128> hey, seems we are done then
[15:55] <desrt> an excellent meeting, seb!
[15:55] <seb128> thanks everyone, was good to see the team for sure
[15:55] <desrt> aob?  more sprints!!
[15:55] <Sweet5hark> thx folks
[15:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 25 15:56:01 2016 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-10-25-15.30.moin.txt
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> Thanks seb128
[15:57] <Laney> thanks
[15:57] <Laney> quality chairing
[15:58] <seb128> :-)
[16:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, bug #1584740 seems another bugs with several users seeing performances issues with libreoffice-gtk installed ... is that something being investigated? seems to hit a bunch of users
[16:07] <ubot5`> bug 1584740 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Libreoffice impress hanging and high cpu on slide operations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584740
[16:08] <seb128> there was another one with similar issues on writer iirc
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, the answer to that is "gtk3 backend is still slower than gtk2 in some scenarios". I dont think there will be a single cause or a single fix for these. there clearly still is room for improvement of the gtk3 backend, but it will be lots of small fixes upstream, not something readily backportable to 5.2/yakkety unfortunately.
[16:13] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well, there might be one obvious slow path leading to main issues
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128: but yeah: this "hanging" stuff is of course not how it should be. some running under gdb and looking at stacktraces might help. Ill look into that.
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> (if I can repro)
[16:14] <seb128> thanks
[16:14] <seb128> yeah, I just wanted to point out because quite some users hit it
[16:14] <seb128> so seems worth trying if we can reproduce and maybe debug some specific obvious case
[16:15] <seb128> like that bug several users say that libreoffice hangs up to 10 minutes doing changes to slides
[16:16] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yep, the only reason I am not freaking out is that (something like) this was kinda expected when hopping over to gtk3. better to have the pain with LTS+1 than some other time still.
[16:17] <seb128> luckily users can install the new version from the snap right? ;-)
[16:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heh, I was just thinking about that.
[16:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, those reports are from the lts though, not from +1
[16:18] <Sweet5hark> seb128: it will be interesting to see if there are major differences between libreoffice 5.2 on yakkety (native) and from the snap as while both default to gtk3, they are build against different versions of gtk3 etc. (snap is still build on xenial)
[16:20] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ahhum! indeed thats with 5.1.2 on xenial which defaults to gtk2. Curious.
[16:22] <seb128> Sweet5hark, could be that they installed -gtk3, we should make apport report that information
[16:22] <Sweet5hark> jup.
[16:27]  * Sweet5hark reboots to windoze for some build system foo and then will be gone for today. Have fun!
[16:58] <seb128> k, caling it a day as well, have a nice evening desktopers
[18:11] <davmor2> pitti: woohoo just upgraded to zesty and pstree shows me indicators are now all under systemd \o/
[18:54] <pitti> davmor2: it's like an entirely different life, isn't it? : -)
[18:55] <pitti> "test case: nothing changes"
[18:55] <davmor2> pitti: :)
[18:55] <davmor2> no test case things keep working
[19:00] <dobey> well obviously something changed :P
[19:10] <dobey> when is robert_ancell back?
[19:13] <pitti> tedg: a-haa! /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-greeter-session, called by /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-greeter-wrapper.conf, starts another dbus without checking for an existing one
[19:13] <pitti> that was a bit of a search
[19:14] <pitti> et voilà, my unity-greeter port works
[19:18] <jbicha> pitti: are you interested in doing a pango1.0 upload to Debian to fix its autopkgtest? (it's blocking the gtk 3.22 transition) https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome?view=revision&revision=51547
[19:19] <pitti> jbicha: yes, I am; I just didn't track down the regression yet
[19:19] <jbicha> i think it was just missing a hyphen, I just pushed a fix to svn
[19:20] <pitti> jbicha: oh dear, nicely spotted
[19:55] <pitti> jbicha: gosh, I forgot how incredibly awful svn was..
[19:56] <jbicha> pitti: if we're lucky pkg-gnome might convert to git in the next year :|
[19:57] <pitti> jbicha: test passes again with this fix, thanks
[20:02] <Guma> Any one here has issue connecting external USB driver to 16.04 and not able to mount? lsusb shows that device so is dmesg and no errors. But fdisk -l does not show sdb. Drive fir now is perforated to FAT32
[20:37] <dobey> Guma: really a question for #ubuntu, but if it's one of the fancy drives with software encryption feature, or something similar, it probably requires the special windows software to run it
[20:37] <Guma> dobey No it is a bug that other do see. It works under 14.04 but not 16.04
[20:38] <Guma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1591521
[20:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1591521 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel Does not recognize some USB 3.0 hard drives" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:39] <dobey> well if there's a bug already filed that you know is your issue, it seems like #ubuntu-kernel would be the appropriate place to ask about status of that bug


[02:22] <Penguinnuttz> Howdy!!!
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[12:58] <salvage0989> good day , my name is saleem ali from trinidad and tobago . i would like some assistance - i have a server running samba along with squid but i would like to create a new server to run samba alone the other system is old and i want to upgrade it . the new server has ubuntu 14 lts and i would like to now what is the easiest way to migrate from the old server to the new server. also i have a backup script running that back
[12:58] <salvage0989> if that would be of any help
[13:09] <salvage0989> good day , my name is saleem ali from trinidad and tobago . i would like some assistance - i have a server running samba along with squid but i would like to create a new server to run samba alone the other system is old and i want to upgrade it . the new server has ubuntu 14 lts and i would like to now what is the easiest way to migrate from the old server to the new server. also i have a backup script running that back