[00:46] <Rcart> Hello. I think that this bug 723820 is a config problem and not purely a *bug*, so I marked it as Opinion, and told the reporter to ask in places like answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu, and askubuntu.com. But the reporter is saying that it's a bug. So please can someone give a look to it?
[00:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723820 in ubuntu "No sound from M-Audio Delta 1010LT (ICE1712 chipset) from fresh install Ubuntu (probably Ubuntustudio to) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723820
[00:51] <lifeless> Rcart: a fresh install shouldn't need configuration
[01:03] <Rcart> lifeless: Suggested summary: [ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 1010LT] PA test tone failed (alsa tone succeeded)
[01:03] <lifeless> sure
[01:04] <Rcart> and this too: The test did sucessfully play the first tones but not the second or if it was vic versa (i was on the phone between the test and bug summary - dont remember).
[04:56] <penalvch> Anyone with a Natty VM/box open please confirm libreoffice bug 626755
[04:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626755 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Opened .docx I downloaded from Microsoft, and soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in SwXTextRange::~SwXTextRange() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626755
[04:59] <penalvch> It will crash via at the Terminal: cd ~/Desktop && wget https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/626755/+attachment/1869927/+files/SDL%20and%20HIPAA.docx && lowriter -nologo SDL\ and\ HIPAA.docx
[04:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626755 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Opened .docx I downloaded from Microsoft, and soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in SwXTextRange::~SwXTextRange() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[05:06] <kklimonda> heh, the current natty live installer is quite broken
[05:14] <penalvch> kklimonda: np thank you for responding.
[06:40] <mrluksom> Hi
[06:42] <mrluksom> When triaging bugs in applications like evolution or nautilus that consist of, or interact with numerous packages, how do you know which package to file the bug against?
[06:43] <cdbs> mrluksom: file the bug against one package and click the 'Also affects distribution' link to add a task for another package
[06:49] <mrluksom> Ok, but what clues should I be looking for that say a bug reported against nautilus should actually be against indicator-appmenu for example in bug 722457?
[06:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 722457 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add() (dup-of: 703988)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722457
[06:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 703988 in vim (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "(various) crashed with SIGSEGV in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add()/g_variant_unref/?libappmenu.so/g_simple_async_result_complete (affects: 44) (dups: 41) (heat: 451)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703988
[09:44] <MadCow108> is there any policy on who I can subscribe to a bug? e.g. can I just subscribe the Pythonistas team to a python mudule bug (universe)?
[13:37] <hggdh> MadCow108: I do not think you can subscribe others anymore
[13:37] <hggdh> unless you are one of the package/team administrators
[13:57] <yofel> hggdh: I think you can subscribe them, you can't assign bugs to other persons anymore (unless you have sufficient permissions)
[13:58] <hggdh> yofel: right, I confused subscription with assignment, thank you for correcting me
[13:58]  * hggdh *HAS* to really wake up.
[13:58]  * hggdh goes for the mystical coffee
[13:58] <hggdh> ah, Brazilian coffee... that's good :-)
[14:00] <yofel> ^^
[14:02] <hggdh> yofel: my mother-in-law just arrived from Brazil (she is german, living in Brazil, complex story)
[14:02] <hggdh> yofel: and... with her, 5 kilos of good coffee!
[14:02] <yofel> :D
[14:17] <MadCow108> hggdh: is ubuntu-sponsors an exception then?
[14:20] <hggdh> MadCow108: as yofel just pointed out, I was wrong. You _can_ subscribe other people/teams
[14:20] <hggdh> MadCow108: I confused it with _assignment_
[15:35] <jibel> bug 724242
[15:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724242 in udev (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "alternate and server images fail to install: d-i stops with "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted" (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724242
[16:30] <trinikrono> hello bugsquad
[17:13] <MadCow108> can anybody post a feature freeze exception and fix it (via sponsors, provided it is granted) or must these be done by ubuntu-devs?
[17:19] <kklimonda> fix what?
[17:19] <MadCow108> the reason for the exception
[17:19] <MadCow108> e.g. new upstream release
[17:20] <kklimonda> but what package are you talking about?
[17:22] <MadCow108> python-foolscap
[17:22] <MadCow108> 724837
[17:22] <MadCow108> I just got a reply from the last uploader, I'll work it out the details with him
[17:23] <MadCow108> my question was more general
[17:25] <kklimonda> if there is an urgency to get some package uploaded it's best to contact the last uploader in person, or in case of universe packages, send the email to the motu ML.
[17:25] <kklimonda> subscribing whole teams to bugs doesn't make sense
[17:26] <kklimonda> in best case you will just confuse a lot of people, who have no idea what the bug is about, and why are they getting the email.
[17:26] <kklimonda> in the worst case the team email is deliberately to some catch-all address, and no one will get it.
[17:28] <MadCow108> no I was just wondering if fixing these kind of issues is only allowed by ubuntu-dev/members/... or if anyone can do it providing he has a sponsor
[17:28] <kklimonda> ah
[17:44] <AbhijiT> !bug | monish
[17:44] <ubot4> monish: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:44] <AbhijiT> :-/
[17:45] <AbhijiT> monish, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BugSquad
[19:56] <njin> hello guys, in this case is to assign to acpi or linux ? [   19.642970] [Firmware Bug]: Duplicate ACPI video bus devices for the same VGA controller, please try module parameter "video.allow_duplicates=1"if the current driver doesn't work.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> not enough information to determine package
[19:58] <njin> No, from bootDmesg.txt
[19:59] <charlie-tca> That still is not enough information
[19:59] <charlie-tca> You gave a line of data. It could be acpi, linux, xorg or a bunch of other packages, according those words
[20:00] <njin> ok i go to look indeep
[20:00] <charlie-tca> There isn't much point in asking without a bug number or a full pastebin
[20:08] <njin> bug 722377
[20:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 722377 in linux (Ubuntu) "Switch display Fn button not working on Dell e6400 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722377
[20:17] <charlie-tca> and the question for 722377 is?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> is that the package bug question?
[20:17] <njin> bug724729, still pentium 2 supported?
[20:18] <njin> bug 724729
[20:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724729 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "Xorg crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724729
[20:18] <njin> ops 724620
[20:18] <njin> bug 724620
[20:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724620 in ubuntu "kernel crash on natty (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724620
[20:19] <njin> Is pentium 2 supported again ?


[16:59] <MegaManSec> could https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1432378 be fixed by just moving 'static time_t last_mtime;' into a global variable?
[17:01] <MegaManSec> I'm thinking of just editing it on my box and compiling glibc myself, since the bug is stopping my work.


[00:13] <thomi> racarr: sure, I understand the reasons. Can you let me know when there's a set of binary packages that will work together please?
[00:16] <racarr> thomi: I'm just going to build everything on the phone while I cook dinner and see if autopilot runs
[00:16] <racarr> then we can just ladn the branch
[00:16] <racarr> the longest part is fetching the build deps because my phone only gets like 100 KBs but its almost done
[00:21] <robert_ancell> kgunn, there?
[00:32] <kgunn> thomi: racarr robert_ancell sorry...went for food
[00:32] <kgunn> ok...so, i vote no merge until racarr finishes his dinner :) and has a chance to try
[00:33] <robert_ancell> kgunn, np. I think you just need to do a 'bzr revert debian/libmirserver4.install' then a 'bzr mv debian/libmirserver4.install debian/libmirserver5.install'
[00:33] <robert_ancell> BUT, I'd recommend using that script instead
[00:33] <kgunn> robert_ancell: well i've already got a branch....what if i just do a bzr add debian/libmirserver5.install
[00:33] <kgunn> won't the effect be the same
[00:34] <robert_ancell> kgunn, I don't think it would treat that as a move like git does
[00:34] <kgunn> just in lp it'll show removed and added, instead of renamed ?
[00:34] <robert_ancell> and that makes merges harder
[00:34] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ok...i'll revert....should i just pull down that mp and redo
[00:34] <robert_ancell> kgunn, it will just revert the one file
[00:34] <kgunn> robert_ancell: which script are you refering to ?
[00:35] <robert_ancell> kgunn, the one I sent you last time, I'll find it again
[00:35] <robert_ancell> I'll send it to the mailing list
[00:35] <kgunn> robert_ancell: thanks...i'm extra stupid today (series of late nights/early morns)
[00:35] <robert_ancell> np :)
[00:35] <robert_ancell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6186191/
[00:37] <kgunn> robert_ancell: thanks...i'm gonna try to fix manually with bzr first
[00:37] <robert_ancell> kgunn, you also need to edit debian/libmirserver5.install and change the 4 to a 5
[00:38] <robert_ancell> i.e. usr/lib/*/libmirserver.so.4 -> usr/lib/*/libmirserver.so.5
[00:38] <kgunn> yes ;)
[00:41] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ok...unhappy w revert...gonna pull fresh and run the script
[00:41] <robert_ancell> :(
[00:41] <kgunn> do i run it just at the top dir of my mir branch
[00:56] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ok...just blew it away & went fresh (thanks for the script...) would you
[00:57] <kgunn> give me 2 secs...
[01:05] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ok...for reals now...can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~kgunn72/mir/bump-libmirserver5-take2/+merge/188968
[01:06] <robert_ancell> kgunn, +mir (0.0.12-0ubuntu2) UNRELEASED; urgency=low should be +mir (0.0.13-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[01:06] <robert_ancell> otherwise good
[01:07] <kgunn> damn it...
[01:09] <robert_ancell> kgunn, oh, and you need to edit CMakeLists.txt and set set(MIR_VERSION_PATCH 13)
[01:09] <kgunn> ack...fixing it
[01:15] <robert_ancell> kgunn, you still have -0ubuntu2 not -0ubuntu1..
[01:15] <kgunn> robert_ancell: i feel i could tear up a steel ball with a rubber hammer tonight
[01:15]  * robert_ancell feels glad to be on the other side of the world
[01:16] <kgunn> robert_ancell: not angry...just capable of f'ing up something so simple
[01:17] <robert_ancell> packaging/abis/versioning just *look* simple
[01:19] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ...ok..surely...there's nothing left to have been incorrect :)
[01:31] <kgunn> robert_ancell: thanks man
[01:31] <robert_ancell> no worries
[01:33] <kgunn> racarr: any luck ?
[01:33] <kgunn> thomi: can you send another update ?
[01:34] <kgunn> at the end of your day
[01:34] <thomi> kgunn: sure, I'm waiting to hear from racarr once he's rebuilt the world and we can actually launch unity
[01:35] <racarr> kgunn: mir build at 47 percent
[01:36] <racarr> I guess lets abort building the tests
[01:36] <thomi> racarr: wait, why are you building mir? I thought we had to rebuild everything else?
[01:37] <racarr> I dont want to deal with the packages because the dev packages
[01:37] <racarr> are broken
[01:37] <racarr> apparently?
[01:37] <racarr> or
[01:37] <racarr> it tries to pull in newer versions
[01:37] <racarr> or apt insanity
[01:37] <racarr> so I dont know how I can get the build dependencies for everything else with the packages
[01:37] <racarr> so im just building the branch on phon
[01:37] <kgunn> racarr: hmmm...you mean the packages associated with dev-proposed
[01:37] <racarr> e
[01:38] <racarr> no the packages from the CI build
[01:38] <kgunn> racarr: totally agree with you...
[01:38] <thomi> right
[01:38] <thomi> the -dev packages need to pull in other things
[01:38] <kgunn> racarr: building on the phone....nuke it from orbit, its the only way
[01:38] <thomi> racarr: if you install them, then do apt-get -f install, everything workls
[01:38] <thomi> racarr: just don't do an update
[01:38] <thomi> or... you're gonna have a bad time
[01:38] <racarr> well it's too late buidling unity-mir now
[01:39] <thomi> kgunn: srsly. Can we just merge it?
[01:41] <racarr> is merging it now going to be any better than merging it in 20 minutes when its tested
[01:41] <thomi> racarr: if it really is 20 minutes, then no. I'm sceptical though
[01:44] <kgunn> thomi: is starting to learn the estimate/reality ratio :)
[01:44] <kgunn> thomi: i'd prefer to test it first
[01:45] <kgunn> if its holy hell for racarr then we'd avoid a nasty one
[01:45] <kgunn> takin' a little break brb
[01:46] <thomi> kgunn: ok
[02:00] <duflu> robert_ancell: Seems NZ DST crept up on me. Hangout?
[02:00] <robert_ancell> duflu, yep
[02:03] <racarr> kgunn: thomi: Ok it at least starts!
[02:03] <racarr> will test autopilot after I buy grociers
[02:03] <racarr> but unity runs fine so it's safe at least
[02:04] <thomi> racarr: I don't suppose you have binary packages so I can try it as well?
[02:06] <racarr> no.
[02:28] <kgunn> robert_ancell: and the trunk https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/+merge/188975
[02:28] <kgunn> mainly...commit msg ok to you ?
[02:28] <robert_ancell> kgunn, looking
[02:29] <robert_ancell> kgunn, you have a merge conflict
[02:29] <robert_ancell> in debian/changelog
[02:31] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ok...how to handle...
[02:32] <robert_ancell> kgunn, you need to run 'bzr merge lp:mir'
[02:32] <robert_ancell> then edit the file manually and run 'bzr resolve'
[02:32] <robert_ancell> then bzr commit and push
[02:32] <kgunn> ack
[02:32] <kgunn> thot so ...just feels a bit weird in a way
[02:33] <kgunn> robert_ancell: when i push...it'll be lp:~mir-team/mir/??? development-branch ?
[02:33] <kgunn> in order to merge back in the conflict resolution ?
[02:33] <kgunn> back in== into the dev branch
[02:34] <robert_ancell> kgunn, ah yeah. hmm. why did trunk get out of sync?
[02:34] <robert_ancell> let me try locally
[02:35] <kgunn> thanks...if you fix, lemme know...i want to know for next time...
[02:35] <kgunn> takin' a break to edit a freshman english paper
[02:36] <robert_ancell> hmm. It merges locally fine. Is LP confused?
[02:43] <robert_ancell> kgunn, manual merge did the trick
[02:53] <kgunn> robert_ancell: so are you proposing or want me to ?
[02:53] <robert_ancell> kgunn, I did the merge and the MP looks good
[02:53] <robert_ancell> I've approved it
[02:53] <robert_ancell> (not top)
[02:54] <kgunn> thnank you sir...i'll top approve
[03:07] <kgunn> racarr: any luck ?
[03:15] <kgunn> did we lose racarr ?
[03:21] <duflu> kgunn: I think he mentioned groceries?
[03:41] <robert_ancell> be back in 20 mins
[03:47] <duflu> RAOF: Please correct me where I'm wrong (again); https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1234502
[03:47] <RAOF> Correct.
[03:48] <duflu> RAOF: Jetlagged much?
[03:48] <RAOF> Oddly.
[03:49] <RAOF> I got back on Saturday.
[03:49] <RAOF> And have been waking early and sleeping early since then.
[03:49] <kgunn> robert_ancell: just to verify for thomi....if he rebuilds on the phone, mir, he'll have to rebuild unity-mir & platform-api....and the order won't matter
[03:49] <RAOF> In possibly related news, Zoë reliably wakes at 5:45am.
[03:49] <duflu> How convenient
[03:50] <kgunn> robert_ancell: cause racarr 's input branch is based on dev...which is broken/updated server api
[03:50] <kgunn> not yet in archive
[03:50] <thomi> well, presumably I'll have to install those mir*-dev packages first, then rebuild unity-mir & platform-api?
[03:52] <kgunn> thomi: right
[03:52] <kgunn> thomi: so for all the effort today...did you ever run the AP test with mir enabled ??
[03:52] <thomi> ok, well, I'm re-flashing the phone now, because somehow I managed to completely bork it
[03:52] <kgunn> i was confused from some of the scrollback
[03:53] <thomi> kgunn: nope :(
[03:53] <thomi> kgunn: I was confused as well - turns out I was running SF
[03:53]  * kgunn just threw up
[03:53] <thomi> not literally I hope
[03:57] <kgunn> thomi: virtually
[03:58] <thomi> good, well, sorry about that. I guess I'll start rebuilding this stuff
[03:59] <kgunn> thomi: so...if you enabled mir...what happens (oh...nvmd..borked)
[04:00] <kgunn> right ?
[04:00] <thomi> kgunn: if I enable mir, unity won't start
[04:00] <thomi> ABI mismatch
[04:00] <kgunn> thomi: gah...right
[04:00] <kgunn> thomi: thank you for your efforts
[04:00] <thomi> kgunn: no worries, I'll rebuild this stuff. I just wish there was a faster way
[04:01] <kgunn> thomi: think there's anyone in integration team/ci/phonedations that could help build us an image quicker ?
[04:01] <kgunn> based on that branch ?
[04:02] <thomi> kgunn: not at this time of night, I doubt it. I can ask though
[04:02] <thomi> kgunn: this is why I was saying ewarlier we should just go ahead and merge it
[04:02] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ^ thots...
[04:08] <kgunn> thomi: ok...based on racarr> but unity runs fine so it's safe at least
[04:08] <kgunn> i agree...
[04:10] <kgunn> robert_ancell: i need your guru knowledge...racarr kinda did a weird one...dandrader had a branch
[04:10] <kgunn> robert_ancell: racarr originally merged ontop ...but then retargetd the whole thing to dev
[04:10] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/1233944-addendum/+merge/188900
[04:11] <kgunn> do i just approve racarr's and then it pulls it all in ?
[04:13] <kgunn> thomi: racarr robert_ancell ...ok...whoever cares..i just top approved it
[04:13] <thomi> kgunn: I'll have a go at building *all the things*
[04:13] <thomi> kgunn: if not before, I'll TA it at my EOF
[04:13] <thomi> err, EOD
[04:13] <kgunn> alf|xmir_devel: are you seriously here?
[04:14] <kgunn> thomi: robert_ancell ok...gonna go watch some tv, try not to fall asleep then merge dev onto trunk
[04:23] <kgunn> thomi: also...can you provide a very explicit list of instructions of what should be run in terms of AP testing
[04:23] <thomi> kgunn: sure, to whome?
[04:24] <kgunn> thomi: i'd like it if you could send that to dandrader and cc me...this way, if that code getsmerged he can test his morning
[04:24] <thomi> sure thing
[04:24] <robert_ancell> kgunn, ok, we're all go :)
[04:26]  * thomi installs build-deps for unity-mir
[04:26] <robert_ancell> thomi, are you just doing a bzr-buildpackage from lp:unity-mir?
[04:27] <thomi> robert_ancell: a 'bzr bd', yeah
[04:27] <thomi> it'll take a while since I'm on the phone :-/
[04:28] <robert_ancell> oh, right
[04:29] <thomi> some decent armhf hardware wouldn't go astray. I wonder if we could set something up....
[04:30] <robert_ancell> thomi, what are the options currently?
[04:30] <thomi> options?
[04:31] <robert_ancell> thomi, for purchasable hardware
[04:31] <robert_ancell> with decent power
[04:31] <thomi> robert_ancell: oh, I have no idea. I was thinking maybe Canonical could buy and then set aside a few calxeda (sp?) boxes, for custom builds
[04:32] <thomi> another thing that I could set up that would save me a lot of time is a caching apt proxy server
[04:35] <robert_ancell> thomi, it looks like calxeda doesn't sell products directly. I guess you buy a Dell or HP server?
[04:38] <thomi> robert_ancell: yeah, or talk to them nicely :)
[04:38] <kgunn> robert_ancell: so can i just propose rcarr's branch directly to trunk? in parallel...it'd be faster
[04:39] <robert_ancell> kgunn, I guess so - it shouldn't have any major side effects (famous last words)
[04:39]  * thomi starts building unity-mir
[04:40] <robert_ancell> kgunn, it's ready to land in development-branch right?
[04:40] <kgunn> already approved...waiting for merge
[04:40] <robert_ancell> just saw that
[04:40] <robert_ancell> go jenkins!
[04:42] <kgunn> robert_ancell: just wanting it to hit trunk before didrocks gets on
[04:42] <robert_ancell> kgunn, sure
[04:42] <robert_ancell> kgunn, are you going to MP it or manually merge from development branch?
[04:42] <kgunn> was going to mp then you could approve...i mean, we have the approvals we know what we want & trust it
[04:42] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ^
[04:43] <kgunn> and a subsequent dev merge to trunk, that diff should just get ignored
[04:43] <robert_ancell> sounds good - it will take time for jenkins to merge it but safer to have the check
[04:43] <robert_ancell> I guess it's better than doing the double wait for jenkins (dev-branch merge, then merge to trunk)
[04:43] <kgunn> robert_ancell: oh yeah...wouldn't consider anything else
[04:43] <kgunn> i heart ci
[04:43] <robert_ancell> ci saves our bacon
[04:43] <kgunn> right
[04:45] <kgunn> robert_ancell: ok...can you approve and i'll ta https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/1233944-addendum/+merge/188983
[04:46] <robert_ancell> hey, it merged cleanly
[04:47] <robert_ancell> kgunn, approved
[04:49] <kgunn> robert_ancell: thanks...
[04:50] <thomi> robert_ancell: what's the platform-api lp project name?
[04:50] <thomi> ubuntu-platform-api or something?
[04:50]  * robert_ancell looks
[04:50] <robert_ancell> thomi, lp:platform-api
[04:50] <robert_ancell> I don't know why they didn't put the ubuntu- prefix on it
[04:54] <kgunn> ok...going to bed...night guys
[04:58] <robert_ancell> later
[04:58] <robert_ancell> I'll be back in 2 hours
[05:12] <thomi> ok, I finally have a coherent set of binary packages.
[05:12] <thomi> rebooting
[05:16] <thomi> robert_ancell: no luck - seems like nothing happens now
[05:17] <thomi> robert_ancell: I ger this: "ofono/ofono/account0 initialized" in an endless loop in the unity8 log
[05:18] <thomi> robert_ancell: and a segfault when I start unity8 manually
[05:18] <thomi> robert_ancell: BT looks bad too:
[05:18] <thomi> #0  0x409cd640 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6
[05:18] <thomi> #1  0x409cf324 in malloc () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6
[05:26] <thomi> robert_ancell: OK, so good news! After messing about some more, it now works
[05:26] <thomi> I have mir/unity8 running, and can drag the home screen around with autopilot
[05:29] <didrocks> hey kgunn
[05:30] <didrocks> kgunn: please update the spreadhseet once the commits are in, and we'll try to get it for image 77 (or 78)
[05:30] <didrocks> we'll get it then ASAP
[05:32] <duflu> We're still using the spreadsheet idea?
[05:36] <didrocks> duflu: we do
[05:37] <duflu> didrocks: I look forward to us having separate development and maintenance branches post-saucy, to make things more clear
[05:38] <didrocks> duflu: well, we still need to have trunk always releasable.
[05:38] <duflu> didrocks: Yes, but you know what I mean
[05:38] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[05:38] <didrocks> I think there will be a lot of discussions on how to release tings
[05:38] <didrocks> things
[05:38] <didrocks> nobody (even us) aren't happy about it
[05:39]  * duflu assumes that's a mistaken double-negative
[05:40] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, it is (or you can take it as a hope :p)
[06:41] <alf|xmir_devel> kgunn: no, forgot to change nick... :)
[06:49] <alf|xmir_devel> RAOF: Hi! Do you have a moment to check the latest commit in https://github.com/afrantzis/xserver/tree/multimonitor-stabilize ? I change the code to assign root_fragments dynanically to crtcs as needed, so that when mirroring we can have a single root_fragment/MirSurface. The mirroring parts works great, but I somehow managed to cause glitches in non-mirror (extended) modes. Any ideas?
[06:50] <RAOF> alf|xmir_devel: I'll have a butcher's.
[06:50] <alf|xmir_devel> RAOF: The glitches are there only when bypassing in mir
[06:51] <alf|xmir_devel> RAOF: thanks
[06:52] <RAOF> Ah, bypass.
[06:54] <duflu> It's true, when I wrote bypass I knew nothing about DDXs and assumed XMir must work something like glamor :P
[06:55] <mlankhorst> haha
[07:03] <robert_ancell> didrocks, we have all the changes in the landing pipeline doc on row 129 except for the autopilot fix - should I append that entry or add another one?
[07:03] <robert_ancell> sorry, I just noticed the autopilot is on line 130, so all is good right?
[07:04] <didrocks> robert_ancell: yeah, all good :) (Mir is building right now)
[07:05] <didrocks> robert_ancell: you didn't add anything for the past 30 minutes, right?
[07:05] <robert_ancell> didrocks, no, and nothing planned to land
[07:05] <didrocks> (in Mir trunk)
[07:05] <didrocks> ok, great!
[07:05] <didrocks> so we're good, I merged the rest of the transitions
[07:05] <didrocks> and everything is rebuilding
[08:52] <budgee> Howdy, further to my note a couple of days ago about Synergy and Mir, please see output at: http://pastebin.com/pZVrqJqa
[08:54] <duflu> budgee: I'm not sure that log helps.... However we did land a fix for Mir exclusively locking input devices, so that sounds like the kind of fix you need. Not sure if it has been packaged yet
[08:56] <alf|xmir_devel> RAOF: trying the multimonitor-stabilize branch on intel, I don't get glitches, but I am not sure if the glitches I see on radeon are because of radeon or because on my desktop (with radeon) the system moves from clone -> extended configuration on startup. That is, because I can't mirror on my laptop, I can't tell whether after cloning we mess up bypass somehow for future extended configurations...
[09:10] <robert_ancell> bye all
[09:53] <alf|xmir_devel> RAOF: I am leaning towards the glitches being a radeon issue. With plain vladmir-upstreaming with a single monitor I still get an occasional glitch on radeon, none with intel. Plus, I get a a segfault with radeon_drv in the back trace when plugging in/out monitors http://paste.ubuntu.com/6187470/
[09:56] <budgee> duflu: thank yuou
[10:03] <alf|xmir_devel> RAOF: FYI, here is the valgrind output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6187493/
[10:09] <davmor2> kgunn: so mir, gets very, very, very slow if you start opening lots of apps on the maguro.  Also I've noticed that memory usage is up when I enable mir over SF but I can't say for sure that, that is the cause as I'd added apps and debugging stuff etc
[10:11] <davmor2> kgunn: if I open 4 apps on mir it's like running through treacle (molasses), 4 apps on SF is noticeably fast.  It faster loading and switching and using the app.
[10:12] <davmor2> kgunn: on the plus side though I only had it lock up on me once.  So mir is definitely more stable than it was by a huge a margin.
[10:19] <duflu> davmor2: (1) kgunn is offline. (2) maguro is known to be slow with bug 1182930. (3) Multi-surface performance is known to be bad on Android due to bug 1227739. (4) There's always room for improvement later
[10:21] <davmor2> duflu: Yep I know kgunn is offline, only I'm going to be busy latter.  Thanks for the bug info though I will add myself to those.  I'm still overly impressed by the fast that mir has gone from crashing if you look at it wrong to locking up once in 16 hours use
[10:22] <duflu> davmor2: Yeah, though once in 16 hours is too much :/
[10:24] <davmor2> unfortunately I couldn't find anything that screamed crash so I'm assuming there might be a memory leak and the system just ran out of space but I couldn't get access to check, adb was out and the phone was unusable even a long hold on the power button did nothing :(
[10:24] <davmor2> I had to remove the battery in the end to reset it so I could use it :(
[10:27] <duflu> I wish more of us had maguro. Most of the mir team does not. So progress on it is slow
[10:29] <davmor2> duflu: Yeah that is somewhat daft as it is a supported device. But you can't have everything :)
[12:31] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1234679 RAOF alf_ look at an interesting bug I found
[12:35] <hikiko> the screenshot is from monitor 2 I ll upload another one as well
[13:44] <kgunn> mzanetti: or Saviq ....so there was some prelim AP test attempts on mir, here's what psivaa got...http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6188183/
[13:45] <Saviq> kgunn, ze Germans are on holiday today
[13:45] <kgunn> Saviq: :) i like how an english-as-a-2nd-lang can still crack a "ze" joke
[13:45] <Saviq> kgunn, "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >'what(): display factory cannot create fb display"
[13:46] <Saviq> kgunn, sounds like unity8 failed to start - probably an app running still holding the framebuffer
[13:47] <Saviq> kgunn, now that you mention it, though - we have the indicators_client tests that won't work, 'cause we don't have unity8 running for them
[13:47] <Saviq> kgunn, will need fixing
[13:47] <olli> keep beating on the germans
[13:48] <olli> and I'll unleash the thostr
[13:50] <kgunn> Saviq: to make sure i understand...this is the old "you need the shell up for everything"...hard to isolate problem ?
[13:50] <Saviq> kgunn, for indicators_client, yes
[13:50] <Saviq> kgunn, for now we relied on sf being there always - need to change that
[13:51] <Saviq> kgunn, the failure above, though, suggests there's a stale app running that blocks "new" unity8 from getting the framebuffer
[13:51] <Saviq> kgunn, even though unity8 itself isn't there anymore
[13:51] <kgunn> Saviq: ah
[13:52] <kgunn> what's weird he said he gets 100% failures...
[13:53] <kgunn> trying to square that with "stale app" suggestion
[14:14] <kgunn> alf_: can i ask you to sort of ready yourself to potentially help on some making mir default on touch work ?
[14:14] <kgunn> alf_: i feel we may have some digging to do...but nothing specific atm
[14:15] <kgunn> alf_: at the rate we've been going, it'd be good just to be ready...like, at least phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup
[14:16] <kgunn> to get the latest image
[14:17] <kgunn> alf_: and you know, touch /userdata/.writable_image & touch /home/phablet/.display-mir
[14:20] <alf_> kgunn: sure, I am on it
[14:35] <dandrader> alan_g, do you guys have a way of building mir packages using cross-compilation?
[14:37] <alf_> dandrader: do you care about packages in particular, or binaries will do?
[14:40] <dandrader> alf_, for binaries there are those scripts which work fine
[14:40] <dandrader> alf_, but sometime it's nice to be able to build packages to ensure the whole system is using your libraries
[14:46] <alf_> dandrader: ok, AFAIK, we don't have a straightforward way to cross-compile mir packages, at least I haven't heard of anyone doing it.
[14:49] <alan_g> dandrader: What alf_ said
[14:50] <kgunn> dandrader: alf_ actually
[14:51] <kgunn> dandrader: alf_ to replicate what _will_ be image 79....just flash the current devel-proposed....then apt-get update, install libmirserver5
[14:51] <kgunn> don't forget to make it writable first ;)
[14:51] <kgunn> and then turn on mir
[14:52] <kgunn> dandrader: alf_ then you can either follow thomi's instructions in the bug
[14:52] <kgunn> or the ci guys said they tried with this reboot, wait for Nautilus window to pop up the mounted share (connection breaks at that moment, takes about 30s after unity8 is visible), run phalet-test-run -n unity8 (after also installing unity8-autopilot)
[14:53] <kgunn> jibel: would you mind doing an impromptu run down on the bugs you've found...say in 30 minutes
[14:54] <alf_> kgunn: so that's --channel devel-proposed? Is there a way to go from devel to devel-proposed without downloading an image from scratch?
[14:54] <kgunn> alf_: i don't think so...and that's the only way to get the latest...otherwise, there's like a day lag in image creation
[14:57] <alf_> kgunn: channel devel-proposed didn't bring in any new image for me...
[14:57] <alf_> kgunn: still 78
[14:58] <kgunn> alf_: hmmm....i suppose there's a moment of promotion where they are equal
[14:59] <jibel> kgunn, sure, in 30 min.
[14:59] <dandrader> alf_, how do you tell the image number?
[14:59] <jibel> (more like 25 now)
[15:00] <alf_> dandrader: I saw messages like: INFO:phablet-flash:Pushing /home/alf/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/devel-proposed/mako/version-78.tar.xz.asc to /cache/recovery/
[15:01] <alf_> dandrader: and I noticed that using the devel-proposed channel didn't download any new files, it reused the ones I had downloaded from devel
[15:01] <dandrader> alf_, ah, ok. I'm also getting 78
[15:49] <kgunn> alf_: mind if i assign you that nasty one ? where he can't reboot to a ui
[15:51] <alf_> kgunn: np
[15:53] <dandrader> where's the mir log that comes out of unity8?
[15:53] <dandrader> I see nothing in /tmp...
[15:54] <dandrader> do I have to enable it somehow?
[15:54] <dandrader> alan_g, ^
[15:55] <dandrader> so far I've been using a modified mir_demo_standalone_input_filter to get log messages....
[15:56] <alf_> dandrader: check http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/component_reports.html
[15:56] <dandrader> alf_, thanks!
[15:56] <dandrader> wow, real documentation!
[16:00] <alan_g> dandrader: if you want it in /tmp then add --glog/MIR_SERVER_GLOG
[16:01] <dandrader> hmmm, it seems the android-input logging is not wired to that mir log system
[16:02] <dandrader> alf_,  or maybe I should set the minimum priority level or something. is there such filtering in mir?
[16:06] <alf_> dandrader: if you are using glog you can set the level, but by default it should log everything. Using the built-in/default logging mechanism should just print everything to either stdout or stderr. Are you capturing both?
[16:06] <dandrader> alf_, I'm getting output on stdout and that's fine. but nothing from android-input. will dig further...
[16:14] <kgunn> dandrader|lunch: ok...as you try to run the AP's hopefully you can repro what plars is seeing
[16:14] <kgunn> plars can be found in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[16:14] <kgunn> basically this....<plars> kgunn: running phablet-test-run -n (for unity8) and you see unity8 go off, but never come back.
 kgunn: also, for all ap tests, we have a script that unlocks the screen and restarts unity8 in -testability mode. It doesn't seem to function now either
[16:16] <kgunn> bbiab
[16:45]  * alan_g hates it when he backs out all his changes and the problem they cause is still there
[16:54] <kdub> i like how tdd forces me to refine the dumb interfaces i sometimes invent
[17:03]  * alan_g discovers that the tests that are failing work fine if they're  run on their own
[17:03] <alan_g> ... or together
[17:06]  * alan_g|EOD knows where a nice pint of beer will clarify everything
[17:18] <racarr> kgunn: Are there images that need testing today?
[17:18] <racarr>  /bugs that need chasing
[17:19] <racarr> if not I think the up/down volume keys are my task
[17:20] <om26er> racarr, hey! would you know if we have a bug to track recent slowness under Mir ? (talking Nexus 4 here)
[17:20] <om26er> or even did anyone else report that ?
[17:20] <om26er> I am pretty sure rendering was pretty fast like 10 days ago
[17:22] <kgunn> latest image 79 supposedly up...boom
[17:22] <kgunn> racarr: did you already finish the new i/f for zanetti ?
[17:22] <kgunn> i think it was need to help hud show up
[17:23] <racarr> kgunn: the input injection yeah, proposed it yesterday
[17:23] <kgunn> ta
[17:23] <racarr> ohh and
[17:23] <racarr> 2 needs fixings
[17:23] <racarr> >iterates<
[17:24] <kgunn> :)
[17:24] <kgunn> racarr: i asked alf_ to look into this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1234609
[17:24] <kgunn> but i'm sure he'd take a second set of eyeballs...
[17:30] <kgunn> kdub: you used to have a n10 branch up...did you take it down ?
[17:30] <kdub> kgunn, yeah, put it on pause until i can get the display up
[17:31] <kdub> no real reason i shouldn't reintroduce it and land it though
[17:32] <racarr> alf_: kgunn: From this stacktrace https://launchpadlibrarian.net/152224751/Stacktrace.txt
[17:32] <racarr> the bug looks like...
[17:32] <racarr> the grand surface race.
[17:33] <racarr> we need to make it safe to hold shared_ptr<msh::Surface>
[18:05] <racarr> kgunn: alf_: This may be enough for 1234609: https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/hold-surface-alive/+merge/189156
[18:05] <racarr> but it needs some thought
[18:06] <racarr> im not 100% sure yet it's ok
[18:11] <kgunn> woohoo racarr love it when that happens...
[18:13] <racarr> kgunn: We'll see :D
[18:15] <kgunn> dandrader: any luck reproducing what plars was seeing...e.g. not being able to unlock the shell with args...or not having the fake shell load
[18:16] <dandrader> kgunn, still fiddling with mir code to get android-input logging out of unity8.
[18:18] <dandrader> that part is not being properly initialized
[18:18] <racarr> dandrader: Even with MIR_SERVER_LEGACY_INPUT_REPORT=log
[18:18] <racarr> ?
[18:19] <dandrader> ah, another undocumented thing. gonna try....
[18:19] <kdub> code churn thursday
[18:19] <racarr> dandrader: Technically it's in --help but I guess it's not really very clear at all
[18:20] <kgunn> kdub: its like hump day...but not as funny
[18:20] <dandrader> racarr, I was pointed to http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/component_reports.html. but it must be outdated
[18:20] <kgunn> plars: so...if you manually unlock and run the AP tests...what do the results look like ??
[18:20] <kgunn> any passing? or is it dismal ?....any #'s ?
[18:23] <racarr> dandrader: ah yeah
[18:23] <plars> kgunn: yes, but not unity8 tests
[18:24] <plars> kgunn: those are the ones that require the restart of unity though
[18:24] <plars> kgunn: the ones that don't seem to run ok as long as I manually unlock it
[18:24] <kgunn> plars: thanks...so passing tests (other than unity8) for the most part ?
[18:25] <kgunn> plars: sorry...i'm being pestered for some #s  just to be a windsock
[18:25] <plars> kgunn: I haven't tried but a few (friends-app and notes)
[18:25] <kgunn> hence my being an irritant :)
[18:25] <plars> kgunn: np
[18:25] <dandrader> racarr, works now. thanks
[18:25] <kgunn> plars: ok...but passing ?
[18:25] <dandrader> well, wasted a good chunk of time
[18:26] <kgunn> dandrader: i'm gonna log in a bit...and write down the instructions and update the wiki
[18:26] <plars> kgunn: for those two, yes
[18:26] <kgunn> drives me crazy
[18:26] <plars> kgunn: if I get some time, I can try others, but since it's manual it will be a bit
[18:26] <kgunn> plars: ack...thanks for that
[18:26] <racarr> dandrader: :D
[18:26] <racarr> sorry :(
[18:27] <plars> kgunn: if you have any you are specifically concerned about, let me know
[18:27] <plars> I can try those first
[18:28] <kgunn> thomi: ^ ? ...he might when he comes on...
[18:28] <kgunn> Saviq: ^ maybe you have a suggestion for plars  in terms of AP tests that would be good to prioritize (besides unity8) ?
[18:29] <Saviq> kgunn, not really
[18:29] <kgunn> dandrader: so it seems like the best item to debug first is the AP run for unity8 since it seems the fake-unity8 load is unhappy....and looks like we at least can run other AP test manually
[18:29] <racarr> short lunch back in 20
[18:29] <kgunn> plars: at least gallery & camera apps would be good to run
[18:30] <kgunn> then msg
[18:37] <dandrader> racarr, need your approval here, btw
[18:37] <dandrader> https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/mir/mergeFakeInputReaders/+merge/188662
[18:38] <dandrader> kgunn, do you know if I still need to install that? http://people.canonical.com/~thomir/python-ubuntu-platform-api_1.1daily13.06.13-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb
[18:39] <kgunn> dandrader: it should be in image 79
[18:39] <kgunn> dandrader: i saw robru indicate he pushed it to trunk...you could install just to be on the safe side
[18:40] <dandrader> kgunn,  I have version 1.1+13.10.20131001.1-0ubuntu1 installed. but I'm too dumb to figure out for sure if this version number is higher than 1.1daily13.06.13-0ubuntu1
[18:40] <kgunn> dandrader: lemme dig for a moment
[18:42] <kgunn> dandrader: yes...it has the relevent mp merged into that one...you're good to go
[18:42] <kgunn> don't need to load that deb
[18:42] <dandrader> kgunn, ok, thanks
[18:52] <racarr> back
[18:59] <dandrader> plars, hey
[19:00] <dandrader> kgunn, told me you're able to run some autopilot tests successfully on the device with unity8-mir
[19:00] <dandrader> "notepad and friends"...
[19:00] <dandrader> plars, is that so?
[19:14] <kgunn> dandrader: so i'm on n4, image 79(latest one)...i just ran the single ubuntu toolkit ap test per thomi's bug...it worked no prob
[19:15] <thomi> morning
[19:16] <dandrader> thomi, hi!
[19:16] <thomi> o/
[19:16] <dandrader> kgunn, ok, I certainly *must* have some outdated package them. gonna re-flash
[19:17] <kgunn> thomi: \o/
[19:17] <kgunn> thomi: we're so much better than where we were....wanna quick hang out to catch up ?
[19:17] <dandrader> was using a 78 image + apt-get update&dist-upgrade
[19:18] <kgunn> dandrader: yeah...slightly untrustworthy...
[19:18] <thomi> kgunn: sure
[19:19] <kgunn> dandrader: my steps were flash, touch writable_image & display-mir, then phablet-click-test-setup, then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot...then autopilot run -v ubuntuuitoolkit.tests.gallery.test_gallery.GenericTests.test_navigation
[19:19] <kgunn> and it just worked...pretty sure its a bum img/package cfg you got there
[19:20] <thomi> kgunn: ready when you are
[19:20] <kgunn> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d3c5982669f82db12c38b740a81c7e362e6bbdfe?pqs=1&authuser=0&hl=en
[19:21] <kgunn> thomi: ^
[19:21] <kgunn> dandrader: ^ if you wanna join in case you got AP queries
[19:40] <dandrader> thomi, hey, don't forget about testing autopilot tests with unity8-mir in maguro. it's certainly not working for me
[19:40] <kgunn> dandrader: no doubt...paul just verified he tested on a n4
[19:41] <thomi> dandrader: yeah, weill do
[19:41] <thomi> flashing my GN now
[19:47] <kgunn> thomi: so http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/powerd/trunk/view/head:/cli/powerd-cli.h
[19:48] <kgunn> according to chicken
[19:49] <thomi> kgunn: so I tried that
[19:49] <kgunn> but
[19:49] <thomi> kgunn: problem is, you need to run it as root
[19:49] <thomi> also, it doesn't appear to work
[19:49] <kgunn> ricmm: no problem...we're discussing here
[19:49] <thomi> well, it worked for a while, then my screen flashed, now it's black, and I cannot wake it up any more
[19:50] <thomi> ahhh, unity8 crashed
[19:50] <ricmm> thomi: have you managed to autopilot unity8 yet then?
[19:50] <ricmm> or only apps
[19:50] <kgunn> ricmm: only apps...
[19:50] <thomi> ahh, I see. adb bug. adb drops shell connections when you attach a second device :-/
[19:51] <kgunn> unity8 suffers the weird screen blank scenario
[19:51] <thomi> ricmm: just flashing my GN, since people said they were having input problems with it
[19:52] <ricmm> thomi: did you get around the -fullscreen issue?
[19:52] <thomi> ricmm: I'm not sure what that issue is, sorry
[19:53] <ricmm> $ unity8 -testability -fullscreen
[19:53] <ricmm> was failing for me, because -fullscreen actually made Mir try and setup ./ullscreen as the socket path
[19:53] <ricmm> it taks a file,f argument for it
[19:53] <ricmm> takes*
[19:54] <thomi> haha
[19:54] <thomi> nice
[19:54] <ricmm> kgunn: I think a fix for that should be in Mir, making the server process take such a common argument like -f or -file sounds problematic
[19:55] <ricmm> make it mir_socket_path or something instead
[19:56] <thomi> or maybe make mir understand --
[19:56] <thomi> so you could do something like ./unity8 -some -mir -options -- -some -unity8 -options
[19:57] <ricmm> or that
[19:58] <kgunn> ricmm: you need it like asap ?
[20:00] <ricmm> kgunn: I dont need it, we can probably get away with a change in unity8-autopilot itself
[20:01] <kgunn> ricmm: thomi ...back to the wakelock need....what's the best way to manage a wakelock between unity8 and fakeunity8
[20:59] <racarr> robert_ancell: brt
[20:59] <robert_ancell> bus rapid transit?
[21:02] <thomi> kgunn: just confirmed that mir does not recognise the AP-created device on a maguro
[21:02] <thomi> filing a bug now
[21:13] <thomi> kgunn: racarr: what do you think? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1234956
[21:14] <thomi> kgunn: seems like that should be 'critical', but I'll let you decide :)
[21:21] <kgunn> racarr: can you have a look ? ^
[21:39] <racarr> I have no maguro
[21:40] <racarr> kgunn: ^
[21:40] <kgunn> dang ti
[21:40] <kgunn> and it
[21:40] <racarr> ok heres the thing though do we even know
[21:40] <racarr> that autopilot finger is the issue as the bug implies
[21:40] <racarr> because don't we get that output on the nexus 4 too
[21:40] <racarr> while it works
[21:40] <kgunn> thomi: ^ ?
[21:41] <thomi> racarr: I don't think so, but I can test
[21:41] <thomi> one second.. have to replicate mysetup :-/
[21:41] <thomi> s/second/10 minutes/
[21:41] <kgunn> turns into a day
[21:42] <racarr> ok. ill start theorizing...?
[21:42] <racarr> not sure how else to help
[21:49] <racarr> thomi: Is there anything after
[21:50] <racarr> "Device added id=8, etc" in the log
[21:50] <thomi> racarr: no
[21:50] <thomi> there's the WW line, then the II line that you just referred to, then nothing
[21:51] <racarr> thomi: ok I think I see the problem
[21:51] <racarr> event hub.cpp l315
[21:51] <racarr> (('ABS_X', 0L),
[21:51] <racarr>                    AbsInfo(value=0, min=0, max=0, fuzz=0, flat=0, resolution=0)),
[21:51] <racarr>                   (('ABS_Y', 1L),
[21:51] <racarr>                    AbsInfo(value=0, min=0, max=0, fuzz=0, flat=0, resolution=0)),
[21:51] <racarr> min = max
[21:51] <racarr> so mir detects it as an invalid axis
[21:53] <thomi> any ideas why it works on the mako?
[21:53] <thomi> interestingly, that's not what autopilot sets
[21:53] <thomi> we set screen resolution as the max value
[21:54] <racarr> perhaps that code has a problem
[21:54] <kgunn> racarr: so you think its in autopilot code?
[21:54] <kgunn> racarr: or eventhub ?
[21:54] <thomi> easy enough to print out what capabilities we're setting
[21:54] <thomi> in autopilot i mean
[21:54] <racarr> I mean
[21:55] <racarr> the python log from checking the device
[21:55] <racarr> without mir involved
[21:55] <racarr> is returning this device with no valid x or y axis
[21:55] <racarr> so I think the problem is elsewhere
[21:55] <racarr> I think it would work, is ABS_X/ABS_Y had min or max values
[21:56] <racarr> or there was a
[21:56] <racarr> REL_X and REL_Y
[21:56] <thomi> that's true, I wonder if that's because autopilot is setting it invalid'ly, or the uinput system is changing it on us?
[21:56] <kgunn> thomi: ok..i feel stupid asking this, because its been such a _thing_ but the "unlocking shell" automation....where would that bug be ?
[21:56] <racarr> we should see what
[21:56] <racarr> evdev says about the device on uh
[21:56] <racarr> nexus 4
[21:56] <racarr> though that doesn't tell us that much really
[21:56] <racarr> im checking it out
[21:56] <thomi> kgunn: ugh. That's a topic for a hangout call
[21:57] <kgunn> now ?
[21:57] <thomi> kgunn: if you like
[21:57] <kgunn> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/463beb0eb5cb65ab4981da5ea7d6cbcf45202c13?pqs=1&authuser=0&hl=en
[22:02] <racarr> on nexus 4 the axis are set http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6190026/
[22:02] <racarr> just using python and creating a device
[22:53] <thomi> ahhh, the problem is that the upa hack/fix returns 0,0,0,0 on the maguro
[22:54] <thomi> easy to fix, at least
[23:09] <lool> racarr: ^
[23:14] <thomi> racarr: robert_ancell, do either of you have a Nexus 10?
[23:14] <robert_ancell> thomi, no, I think only duflu has one int the team
[23:14] <robert_ancell> I mean kdub
[23:14] <thomi> kdub: awake still?
[23:16] <kdub> still awake!
[23:16] <kdub> i have a nexus 10
[23:18] <thomi> kdub: can you please tell me what this returns?
[23:18] <thomi> adb shell getprop ro.product.device
[23:19] <kdub> probably manta... checking
[23:19]  * thomi hopes it returns "manta\\n"
[23:19] <kdub> yes, manta
[23:19] <thomi> cool. Could I get someone to approve this please https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/python-ubuntu-platform-api/fix-1234956/+merge/189193
[23:19] <thomi> and robert_ancell, could you please add that to the landing SS?
[23:20] <thomi> it's super-duper-critical.
[23:20] <robert_ancell> thomi, sure
[23:20] <thomi> like.. the world will 'splode otherwise
[23:20] <thomi> thanks :)
[23:20] <kdub> thomi, looks okay to me.. do i have approve powers?
[23:21] <robert_ancell> thomi, is ro.hardware an obsolete key?
[23:21] <kdub> i think its just a key that not everything sets
[23:21] <thomi> well, the problem was that on maguro it returned "tuna"
[23:22] <thomi> robert_ancell: I'm not sure what you mean by an "absolute key"
[23:22] <kdub> ah, a hardware variant key
[23:22] <thomi> kdub: if you approve it I can really approve it
[23:22] <robert_ancell> thomi, huh, it appears I can't edit that spreadsheet
[23:22] <robert_ancell> kgunn, ^
[23:22] <kdub> thomi, i did +1
[23:22] <thomi> kdub: thanks
[23:23] <thomi> that worked
[23:23] <thomi> canonical-ps is in ~python-upa-team
[23:23] <thomi> so, \o/
[23:23] <thomi> robert_ancell: paste me the link? I might have edit rights still
[23:24] <robert_ancell> I guess there's a whitelist of editors?
[23:26] <kgunn> robert_ancell: the landing sheet ?
[23:26] <robert_ancell> kgunn, yes, but thomi has got access to it
[23:27] <thomi> OK, I added it. not sure I did it right
[23:27] <kgunn> robert_ancell: shared with you again...
[23:27] <thomi> kgunn: do I need to ping anyone?
[23:27] <thomi> or is adding it to the SS enough?
[23:27] <kgunn> robert_ancell: it was the other google avatar :)...so you have access twice
[23:28] <robert_ancell> ah, that makes sense
[23:28] <robert_ancell> I *thought* I had access
[23:29] <kgunn> thomi: no, you might just update the status when its merged....but if you put waiting for merge & "its for mir" :) then it usually fast tracks it
[23:49] <kdub> oh boy, found the ioctl i needed in a package we already depend upon


[04:45] <gnomefreak> anyone around
[04:46] <micahg> sure
[04:47] <gnomefreak> i keep getting an email ab out lightning locales, i will pastebin it for you.
[04:48] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1565110/
[04:50] <micahg> hrm, it should just be shipped in the lightning source or thunderbird with 20
[04:50] <micahg> err...lightning-extension
[04:51] <micahg> but I'm not doing much with this stuff these days, I'm still wondering why they're not shipping since I thought that upstream provides the locales, but that might require tweaking the source generation script
[04:52] <gnomefreak> i try/tried to stay away from locales when possible
[04:53] <gnomefreak> did Mozilla rethink including lightning into tbird again?
[04:54] <micahg> no, but it comes from the same archive, so we're going to build them from the "thunderbird" source
[04:54] <gnomefreak> k
[04:54] <micahg> that change probably won't hit stable releases until thunderbird 24
[04:55] <gnomefreak> i was really looking forward to the merging but was dissapointed that it fell through
[12:04] <bolvary> Hi there, When I open Contacts no addressbook appears in Thunderbird. However, if I open TB first then I can access my contacts. Is there a way to fix this annoying issue?
[15:02] <BluesKaj>  i'm having some freeze issues with firefox on 13.04 , can someone direct me to correct log to find the errors


[21:29] <penguin42> hmm was that the UPS doing an overvoltage protect at 21:00 I wonder; https://cdn.mastodon.org.uk/media_attachments/files/111/716/774/016/634/529/original/5943e07479d5e867.png ?
[21:30] <daftykins> ooh err
[21:30] <daftykins> by coincidence i have one at a clients that is dropping its' entire load on weekends, then charges back up and boots things back up (mostly)
[21:31] <daftykins> just got a couple of twin cell packs for 2 of the same model on the way from a UK place, ought to sort things out
[21:31] <zxmpi> ups are like tape drives to me, i've never had a good experience with either
[21:32] <daftykins> they've never given me trouble, in this case it's the client having run it way past its' battery's lifetime since they have no documentation of anything and no idea
[21:34] <penguin42> it was a little odd in that I heard a relay click on that but there's no log message and the LCD didn't come on
[21:34] <daftykins> hmm
[21:35] <daftykins> maybe it had an identity crisis and it's turned itself into an IPS? ;) (for interruptible)
[21:35] <penguin42> I know it does that if the input disappears, I don't know what it's overvoltage behaviour is, but it was right at 250 for a couple of samples
[21:35] <penguin42> my samples are only every 10mins, so makes me wonder if it blipped over it
[21:42] <daftykins> would surely have just tripped to battery then back?
[21:42] <daftykins> so it's odd there's nothing on record
[21:45] <penguin42> nod


[00:00] <apocalipsys> as much as i read 1 will be the master and the other 2 are storage
[00:28] <madwill> is there an official way to make a file like index.html point to another file say zenlive.html ?
[00:29] <SpamapS> madwill: several ways
[00:29] <SpamapS> madwill: the most flexible way is to use mod_rewrite
[00:29] <SpamapS> madwill: or, another simple one, just use a symlink (and turn on FollowSymlinks
[00:37] <tsrk> How do I add kernel boot parameters?
[01:17] <hallyn> tsrk: best is to add them in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
[01:19] <hallyn> (add them to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX)
[01:35] <tsrk> hallyn: Ok, thank you. What's the difference between ..._LINUX and ..._LINUX_DEFAULT?
[01:42] <Calif> g
[01:42] <Calif> er
[01:42] <Calif> oops
[01:42] <Calif> wrong win
[01:43] <sjm> (Ubuntu 11.04) I don't know if this is exactly a "server" issue, but I started with the server install.  I then installed lxde on top, but every time I try to change the background on the lxsession, I get a segfault from X: http://pastebin.com/Gc9Jct0m
[01:52] <hallyn> oh no, tsrk has skeedaddled
[01:53] <hallyn> sjm: yeah best to go to #ubuntu-desktop with that
[01:54] <sjm> hallyn, ok, thanks.
[02:04] <habriel> hello i need help in this cfgmaker --output=/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:04] <habriel>      have set my ip from router
[02:04] <habriel> i am setting mrtg in ubuntu server
[02:06] <Macer> wow. eyeos2 seems to have come a long way
[02:07] <Macer> think i am going to have to it up soon :)
[02:07] <Macer> i just hate that it requires openoffice in order to export to odt
[02:07] <Macer> well.. od*
[02:13] <twb> Macer: eyeos?
[02:13] <twb> habriel: you may prefer something newer, like collectd or munin or cacti
[02:13] <twb> habriel: mrtg is pretty old-school
[02:14] <Macer> twb: web based "OS"
[02:14] <twb> Oh, one of those DEs in js
[02:14] <Macer> well.. more of a UI than OS.. supposed to be open source cloud computing
[02:14] <Macer> yeah
[02:14] <twb> Bugger that shite
[02:14] <Macer> they did quite a bit of work on it since i last tried it
[02:14] <Macer> twb: i don't know it seems to work fairly well :)
[02:15] <Macer> it is good for idiot proofing the way employees use their workstations heh
[02:15] <Macer> zimbra was actually supposed to be good for that but wow has it just gotten worse and worse
[02:16] <Macer> i think of all the things i have tried to figure out a web based solution for employees.. zimbra had to be about the biggest let down i have ever seen
[02:16] <Macer> especially nowadays.. where they can't seem to get things to work right.. like the Instant Messaging.. so their solution was to simply eliminate it
[02:16] <Macer> i hear they are removing their docs section too
[02:16] <habriel> twb so you recommended cacti
[02:17] <Macer> so i suppose it is just a glorified imap server with a web ui? :)
[02:22] <twb> habriel: no because it's PHP
[02:22] <twb> habriel: I definitely recommend collectd
[02:23] <twb> Macer: the main things that non-free exchange clones provide you is calendaring and an outlook connector (outlook is crap at IMAP).
[02:23] <habriel> i am looking a tool monitoring easy
[02:24] <twb> Macer: unfortunately they also like to reinvent the distro in /opt
[02:24] <Macer> twb: well zimbra concentrated on fixing their connectors than actually turning into something that was actually useful
[02:24] <twb> Macer: I would recommend first looking at apple calendarserver (which is FOSS and in Ubuntu already), and replacing outlook with tbird.
[02:24] <Macer> which was a shame because it had so so so much potential.. i was a huge fan up until right before 7.0
[02:25] <Macer> twb: i would never use zimbra again
[02:25] <twb> I've rolled out zimbra and scalix a few times, and I would never ever do so voluntarily
[02:25] <Macer> not in the direction it is going now
[02:25] <twb> Right!
[02:25] <Macer> heh
[02:25] <Macer> it seriuosly could have given exchange a run for its money if it didn't cnocentrate so much on trying to get it to work with exchange and only worked on its own thing as an alternative to exchange
[02:25] <Macer> but they wanted to bite into the ms customers
[02:26] <habriel> twb: do you have any guide for set collectd in ubuntu sever
[02:26] <Macer> which i think was a poor business decision. they should have pushed their web interface and its ability to IM, file share, etc all in one spot.. along with fixing their docs
[02:27] <Macer> instead they are eliminating im and docs... and i mean.. i don't see what good it is anymore as a "collaboration suite" without its ability to actually communicate and share documents. :)
[02:28] <Macer> it was supposed to be a one stop interface requiring nothing but a web browser and even a slower small powered client .. it could have been amazing.. i would have used it for everything and pushed it onto everyone i came across .. but now they totally suck
[02:28] <twb> habriel: I don't, but basically you install collectd-core (without rrdtool) on your spokes, and collectd-core (with rrdtool) on your hub.
[02:28] <twb> habriel: then you instruct the spokes to send to the hub, and the hub to accept info from spokes
[02:28] <Macer> so i am looking for alternatives and eyeos seems the closest to what zimbra should have been... :) need to set it up tomorrow and give it a real test run on my ubuntu server
[02:29] <twb> habriel: then you instruct them as to what information to collect
[02:29] <Macer> if i can figure out how to get it to properly export od* then i am happy
[02:29] <twb> habriel: finally, you set up collection3 or some other visualization, so you can browse to a web page and see graphs of the data
[02:30] <habriel> thanks twb i will try
[03:01] <Calif> Is there a default dhcp server included in ubuntuserver, if so where can I find it?
[03:02] <genii-around> !info isc-dhcp-server
[03:03] <genii-around> Calif: Is not installed by default.
[03:03] <Calif> I installed natty, does that mean I have it?
[03:03] <Calif> ok
[03:03] <Calif> crap
[03:04] <Calif> I gotta do something real quick ill be right back to ask some more questions about tihs... namely how to do I get it? And further is there a simple way to derive the download link from something without gui, in cli?
[03:04] <twb> Calif: (most) services are not installed by default.
[03:04] <twb> Calif: try running "tasksel"
[03:04] <twb> Calif: you should also read the Ubuntu Server Guide
[03:05] <Calif> Brb sorry.. gotta step away for one min
[03:05] <Calif> brb,..,
[04:30] <ruben23> hi guys i have a domain name pointed to my server public ip adn i wanted it somehow to be mydomain name for myweb server using publci ip any idea how do i do it with Vhost
[04:33] <julian_c> More of an Apache question (see #httpd), but...
[04:34] <julian_c> Are you trying to run multiple sites with different domain names on the same running instance of httpd?
[07:00] <lambda_x> how can i tell multipathd to recheck volume sizes?
[07:41] <koolhead11> hi RoAkSoAx
[08:30] <twister004> hi guys... im using mysqldump to backup some databases on my ubuntu server.... can I view some logs to ensure if the backup went through without any issues??.. please advise!
[08:40] <dc5ala> twister004, you mean automated via cronjob?
[08:42] <twister004> dc5ala...yes.. can I do a --log-error=filename?
[08:43] <dc5ala> twister004, in your crontab you can put a line like MAILTO=twister004...
[08:44] <twister004> dc5ala... what can I mail?.... which log file?
[08:44] <dc5ala> twister004, you will get the output of the command via mail
[08:44] <dc5ala> twister004, or you just redirect output of mysqldump into a file via ">" yourself when you run it
[08:45] <dc5ala> or better, append it with ">>"
[08:47] <twister004> dc5ala... can I just do a "sqldump -u <uname> -p <password> --opt --skip-lock-tables --databases info_schema > /mnt/.../test.sql >> test.txt"???
[08:48] <dc5ala> ops, sorry, think i did mistake, let me see :)
[08:48] <kaushal> hi
[08:49] <dc5ala> twister004, i just see there is a --log-error=name parameter for mysqldump, may give that a try
[08:50] <twister004> dc5ala.. i tried that.. i get the following error "mysqldump: unknown variable 'log-error=test.txt'"
[08:50] <twister004> looks like mysql maybe an old version
[08:50] <kaushal> can i know the history of iotop application ?
[08:51] <twister004> output of  'mysqldump -V' is "mysqldump  Ver 10.10 Distrib 5.0.24a, for pc-linux-gnu (i486)"
[08:51] <dc5ala> you did prepend "--" ?
[08:51] <twister004> yes
[08:52] <dc5ala> i only checked the parameter list of mysqldump on a server of mine, says mysqldump  Ver 10.11 Distrib 5.0.51a
[08:52] <twister004> dc5ala... will >> work?
[08:53] <twister004> yup.. so it's a version problem.. mine's old... I dont wanna update mysql coz this is production environment
[08:53] <dc5ala> have a look in the help if there is an log-error parameter
[08:53] <twister004> nop
[08:53] <twister004> ot's not there
[08:53] <twister004> it's*
[08:53] <dc5ala> that one is old server too :)
[08:54] <dc5ala> maybe there is a generic logging parameter?
[08:54] <twister004> nothing... only flush-log
[08:54] <twister004> nothing to do with logging error
[08:55] <twister004> willl the mysql.log or mysql.err file under /var/log/ help?
[08:55] <dc5ala> i have a look on another machine, what version is running there
[08:55] <bencc> how can I make changes in /etc/security/limits.conf take effect without restarting the server?
[08:55] <bencc> I need to increase the max allowed file-descriptors
[08:57] <twister004> dc5ala.. there's another machine with sql version "mysqldump  Ver 10.11 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486)"... hee I see the '--log-error' parameter
[08:57] <twister004> it's a version problem
[08:58] <twister004> here**
[08:58] <dc5ala> hehe, guess so
[08:59] <dc5ala> you may try redirect "stderr" maybe, e.g. mysqldump ... > out.sql 2>>error.log
[09:01] <dc5ala> twister004, the logs under /var/log/mysql are probably only used by the server and not by msqldump, not sure
[09:02] <twister004> dc5ala... 2>>error.log doesn't seem to be working
[09:03] <dc5ala> how comes? :)
[09:04] <dc5ala> if mysqldump writes anything to stderr it should end in that file
[09:05] <twister004> thanks
[09:05] <twister004> dc5ala.... 2>>error.log is working
[09:05] <twister004> !!!
[09:05] <twister004> thank you!!!
[09:05] <twister004> atleast it's getting redirected to a log file.
[09:05] <dc5ala> could you force and error to test it?
[09:09] <dc5ala> twister, oh, just see another thing i used in a script, mysqldump ... > db-$(date +%Y%m%d).sql
[09:09] <dc5ala> twister004, puts a nice timestamp in your filename
[10:35] <bencc> does "sudo more /proc/sys/fs/file-nr" give me the total used file descriptors on my server?
[10:58] <koolhead11> hi all
[10:58] <koolhead11> jdstrand, i have reported the bug as you suggested.
[11:39] <juliux> hi, does somebody knows how i can use clusterssh with ssh agent forward?
[12:50] <lambda_x> how can i tell multipathd to recheck volume sizes?
[13:10] <jdstrand> koolhead11: thanks!
[14:11] <jamespage> ttx: around?
[14:11] <jamespage> ttx: just wondered how etherpad had held up at the OpenStack summit?
[14:13] <zul> jamespage: it didnt blow up :)
[14:14] <jamespage> zul: thats good :-)
[14:14] <jamespage> thinks are looking OK for using it at UDS as well
[14:14] <zul> jamespage: \o/
[14:41] <cemc> on 10.04 when do the rc2.d/S* scripts start, before, after or durint the stuff in upstart?
[16:30] <Vanuatoo> Hello, I've got Gigabyte GA-H67MA-UD2H-B3 motherboard and have 2 disks configured as RAID 1 from BIOS. When I boot Ubuntu Server 11.04 64 bit on my computer it cannot find the disks. I manually go to Detect Disks step and system prompts me to select Driver. Can you tell me what driver should I select?
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: is the dell laptop we tested powernap back in January a 4 core?
[16:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: nope, dual core
[16:44] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, I believe that's "fakeraid"
[16:45] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, dmraid package is what you need
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: k thanks
[16:46] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, caution, I'm not aware of many folks who use fake raid in production environments. Mostly it's used as a compatibility bridge for users who are dual booting from an existing Windows installation.
[16:47] <Vanuatoo> There is no fake raid in the list
[16:48] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, that's the slang name, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[16:48] <marrusl> SpamapS, the ethtool bug above is mine.  thought you might be interested from a boot perspective.
[16:49] <Defghanistan> Hello, I am looking for any documention or information regarding Ubuntu server MPIO. Can anyone here point me in the right direction or give me any useful advice?
[16:49] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, I don't know if dmraid support ever made it into the installer.
[16:51] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, wish I could give you more direct assistance though I don't have any first hand experience settiing up these fakeraid deployments. I've been avoiding them like the plauge, MD is a more robust and better supported option
[16:51] <Vanuatoo> What is MD?
[16:52] <miceiken> For some reason I get this error in my apache log: "[Wed May 04 17:51:36 2011] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] File does not exist: /var/www/~rt", any way to narrow it down to the file I've stated that in
[16:52] <ppetraki> Vanuatoo, Linux's defacto software raid stack, managed by mdadm
[16:58] <ppetraki> Defghanistan, MPIO deployments are SAN specific, what are you trying to deploy? No, we don't have Ubuntu centric MPIO docs but the general available ones for other distros are applicable, for the most part.
[17:00] <Defghanistan> We're working with a netapp fibre channel SAN, deploying ubuntu server to fulfill web and database roles
[17:08] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:50] <bluethundr> quick question, guys.. if a server has just apache2-mpm-prefork installed is it an apache server? or would that be only machines with apache2 installed?
[17:50] <bluethundr> dumb question I know
[17:52] <marrusl> Hey guys...  any opinions on replacing dash with bash?  I don't mean in general, I have a customer who wants to do that on their systems.
[17:52] <marrusl> actually they asked specifically about what upstart uses for script stanza's.  but i assume the more relevant question is what you link /bin/sh to.
[18:13] <ghostlines> hi all, I'm setting up a bridge I've configured br0 I'll also still have to configure one of my real interfaces also for example eth0 right?
[18:22] <robo> to change an IP do I just edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart networking?
[18:23] <robo> That's what the doc's say but this is a remote machine and I'd hate for it to not come back up
[18:23] <hggdh> smoser: I *know* you already told me, but I am afraid I forgot: how does one boot a karmic EC2 kernel? With --kernel? And where are the kernel lists?
[19:08] <BCS-Satori> Hello,  I installed "linux-scst" which installed linux-image-2.6.32-29-scst on my ubuntu 10.04 server, however when the system boots its selecting 2.6.32-31-server.  I do not see the scst kernel in my grub configuration either.  Any ideas on how I can boot the system to the scst kernel?  Thanks
[19:14] <Nikolasr> Hello, can someone help me with bridging connections..when i type ifconfig i get listed only primary device
[19:16] <patdk-wk> Nikolasr, use brctl
[19:17] <Nikolasr> yes..but when i type eth0 its says invalid device ignoring..
[19:17] <Nikolasr> :)
[19:18] <patdk-wk> man brctl :)
[19:21] <Nikolasr> i mean when i type brctl addif "primary" "eth0"            (without quotes)
[19:22] <Nikolasr> I got notting.
[19:22] <Nikolasr> Please help me.
[19:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ping
[19:37] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: pong
[19:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i have a small but significant fix to powernap's load monitor
[19:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm wondering if you mind doing the sru?
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sure
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: just commit it to lp:powernap and I'll grab it from there
[19:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: or better yet, commit your fix, release a new version in oneiric, and I'll SRU your fix
[19:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, that's what i was thinking
[19:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: here's the fix i'm testing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603409/
[19:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: basically, if the load threshold is "n", we need to count the number of processors every time we run
[19:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: because if we're powernapping, and we're down to 1 processor, then we want to wake if load gets above 1
[19:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: rather than wait until load gets to 16 (if we have 16 processors)
[19:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't like the commands.getoutput("getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN") every time this runs though
[19:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i want to do it more cheaply than that
[19:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1006289/how-to-find-out-the-number-of-cpus-in-python
[19:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah makes sense to me all of it
[19:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: though will importing the multiprocessing module be really cheaper?
[19:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[19:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: and may be subject of errors
[19:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[19:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: let me test
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: let's just try it out for now, I don't think it will really make any difference
[19:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: my testing says you're wrong
[19:49] <kirkland> :-)
[19:49] <kirkland> kirkland@x201:/tmp$ time python 1.py
[19:49] <kirkland> real    0m0.834s
[19:49] <kirkland> kirkland@x201:/tmp$ time python 2.py
[19:49] <kirkland> real    0m16.143s
[19:49] <kirkland> 1.py: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603416/
[19:49] <kirkland> 2.py: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603417/
[19:49] <kirkland> :-)
[19:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool then! Let's just use multiprocessing then :)
[19:55] <ghostlines> hi all, I'm trying to point virt-install to my cdrom drive but -c /cdrom isn't working how should this be done?
[19:56] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: this works in Natty
[19:56] <RoAkSoAx> not before
[19:56] <RoAkSoAx> at least it shouyld
[19:58] <ghostlines> hmmm, otherwise I must make an image of it?
[19:58] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: and you might have to make the cdrom available through HTTP
[20:00] <ghostlines> damn, seems like I have to jump through hoops to use a local device
[20:00] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: the thing is that virt-install does not correctly determine that a cdrom is an ubuntu source/distro
[20:00] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: so this was fixed patched in Natty
[20:01] <ghostlines> ahhh
[20:01] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: however, I've only tested this when making the loop mounted cdrom available through HTTP, not through /cdrom
[20:02] <ghostlines> I could swear that virt-manager allowed me to select devices after a vm was installed, real strange that I can't do it with virt-install
[20:03] <ghostlines> thanks for your help though, think I'm just gunna try and make an image of the dvd
[20:03] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: virt-manager uses libvirt while virt-install uses python-virtinst AFAIK
[20:04] <ghostlines> ubuntu's docs needs to get updates as well the python-virtinst pkg doesn't exist in 10.10 it's just virinst
[20:05] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: upstream is python-virtinst in ubuntu it is just virtinst
[20:06] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we should also use os.getloadavg()[0]
[20:06] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it's over twice as fast as reading /proc/loadavg
[20:07] <ghostlines> RoAkSoAx, and since when did /dev/cdrom move to /cdrom ? I gotta really keep up
[20:07] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool then. I guess we'll have to look throughout the code for tricks like this
[20:07] <RoAkSoAx> ghostlines: I don't know actually
[20:07] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah
[20:08] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: well, it might be my fault after all :-)
[20:09] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm listed as the author of that file :-P
[20:09] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hehe nah well neither you nor are/were python experts to know all the tricks and functions python already provides
[20:09] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[20:13] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: btw.. take a look at it, and tell me what you think: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler
[20:31] <ttx> jamespage: re:etherpad -- no problem at all
[20:32] <ttx> jamespage: though I'd admit that not everyone was using it, and that we had only 2 sessions in parallel
[20:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: just thought of something. the idea of scale the threshold should only work when using the script that turns off the cores right?
[20:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: never mind it doens't really matter
[20:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: nah
[20:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, my load monitor fixes work great
[20:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm about to release powernap 2.7
[20:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: are you happy with the other features you've merged for oneiric?
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes, please release it
[20:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: done
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i was planning to switch to source format 3.0 but that can be left for 2.8
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> as it is not high priority right now
[20:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, when you do, you'll need to fix a bug somewhere, either in bikeshed:release-build or somewhere else
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I've attached a debdiff for natty, could you please sponsor it?
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: how so?
[20:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: as bzr bd fails for me when i do source format 3.0 and try to release-build
[20:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you'll see :-)
[20:47] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hehe ok
[20:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: are you doing the SRU justification or am i?
[20:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: just did it :)
[20:48] <kirkland> sweet
[20:56] <smoser> hggdh, karmic images were never moved to pv-grub.
[20:57] <smoser> so you can't really boot a karmic ec2 kernel other than the one associated with the image.
[21:03] <Macer> eyeos 2.x was bust.. 1.9 is awesome
[21:03] <someguy> hi here
[21:03] <someguy> anybody willing to help me with phpmyadmin problem
[21:04] <someguy> i'm running fcgi as parser
[21:11] <hallyn> kees: mk-sbuild oneiric is failing for me, bc awk isn't being installed so dpkg -i basefiles fails.  Is this anything you know about offhand?
[21:16] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so release-build should not do the first bzr bd?
[21:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[21:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: well, that's always worked before
[21:17] <kirkland> but, yeah
[21:17] <kirkland> okay
[21:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it needs to move that bzr bd to the end
[21:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: after everything else
[21:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and it'll build the -0ubuntu1.deb
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok cool!
[21:19] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: uploaded powernap_2.6-0ubuntu2.1_source.changes
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: thanks
[21:22] <hggdh> smoser: any chance of generating a karmic ec2 kernel for the -29?
[22:00] <hallyn> Daviey: what do you think about dropping https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-kvm-document-suggested-changes ?
[22:04] <hallyn> zul: this is funny - the scheduler is working *so* hard to keep me out of convenient afternoon sessions (i have none in the last two hours) that i'm double-booked for the lxc session
[22:05] <zul> hallyn: doh...talk to robbie
[22:06] <hallyn> zul: yeah the one that's 3am central time may have quite a few ppl attending remotely from US so that one should be moved if possible
[22:06] <zul> what you dont wake up that early?
[22:15] <hallyn> zul: i may still be awake at that point, but unsure
[22:18] <soren> hallyn: Not coming to UDS?
[22:18] <hallyn> soren: alas, not this time
[22:19] <soren> That was getting really annoying.
[22:20] <soren> hallyn: But you'll miss out on all the Hungarian... err... stuff!
[22:20]  * soren can't think of anything uniquely Hungarian
[22:22] <hallyn> soren: not to mention all the uds camaraderie.  i'd love to be going.  c'est la vie.
[22:27] <adam_g> anyone know if libvirt supports CoW cloning of qcow2 based VMs via virt-manager?
[22:42] <someguy> hi people
[22:43] <someguy> anyone up here to stress their brain ?
[23:23] <zul> soren: umm...hungarian gulash?
[23:56] <lynxman> zul: Hungarian gulash is yummy


[06:57] <Kilos> hi Langjan hoe gaan dit
[06:58] <Kilos> what did you break
[06:58] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[07:07] <Langjan> Hi Kilos alles wel dankie en met jou?
[07:08] <Langjan> Laat geslaap vanoggend?
[07:08] <Kilos> nee was buite besig meestal tot ek moeg is weer haha
[07:09] <Kilos> ons vang reen water om te drink want ondergrondse water het besoedeling van die myne
[07:09] <Langjan> Goeie plan
[07:09] <Langjan> is jy nou weer moeg?
[07:12] <Langjan> I did the transplant this morning, Juanitas machine no change but mine is running like seven demons are chasing it
[07:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:18] <Kilos> i also started playing a war game  so when i moeg i sit here and play war
[07:18] <Kilos> called liberators
[07:18] <Kilos> always short of gold
[07:18] <Langjan> Only niggle is win xp in vbox unhappy about new box but will be sorted
[07:18] <Kilos> story of my life
[07:19] <Kilos> whats the xp for
[07:19] <Langjan> Just to run my genealogy program
[07:19] <Kilos> aha
[07:20] <Langjan> They are hardegat about adapting to linux
[07:20] <Kilos> find a way to convert it to linux
[07:20] <Kilos> or
[07:20] <Kilos> find a linux equivalent
[07:20] <Langjan> I have tried but its a long learning curve
[07:20] <Kilos> what isnt
[07:21] <Langjan> breaking things
[07:21] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <Langjan> I have eight 12v motorcycle batteries that are still usable - know anybody can use them? Or sell to squatters to charge their phones etc
[07:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:24] <Kilos> where did they come from
[07:24] <Kilos> sell them on bid or buy
[07:24] <Langjan> A go-go mobile cart of an old lady who uses it for shopping trips
[07:25] <Langjan> When she cannot get back up the hill she buys new ones
[07:25] <Kilos> ai!
[07:26] <Langjan> Cart sold to her with promise it runs 23 kms on a charge, she hardly gets 5
[07:27] <Kilos> ai!
[07:27] <Langjan> And she could have got it via Amazon at half the price
[07:27] <Langjan> Sharks
[07:27] <Kilos> shame man
[07:27] <Langjan> Pathetic
[07:28] <Kilos> yes those peeps should be shortened a bit
[07:28] <Langjan> Now I see they advertise on FB, I put in comment for people to shop via Amazon - am sure they love it
[07:29] <Kilos> yes cut their throats
[07:33] <Langjan> OK gotta go Kilos chat later have a good day
[07:33] <Langjan> leyt me go see what I can break
[07:33] <Kilos> go safe my friend
[07:33] <Kilos> haha
[07:33] <Langjan> thks you too my good friend
[09:59] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:59] <inetpro> oh and hi oom Kilos as well
[14:39] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[16:41] <Langjan> Good day to all.
[16:57] <Langjan> Also wet by you Kilos?
[18:14] <Langjan> Hi guys, you there Kilos?
[18:15] <nsnzero> good evening
[18:16] <Kilos> here Langjan
[18:17] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[18:17] <Langjan> hello nsnzero  and Kilos
[18:17] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[18:17] <nsnzero> hi Langjan
[18:17] <Langjan> From a wet Bushveld
[18:17] <Kilos> yeah rains have been very welcome
[18:18] <Kilos> we hadd 55mm on Christmas day
[18:18] <Langjan> How are you feeling Kilos?
[18:18] <smile> hallo :)
[18:18] <Langjan> Lovely, 55 mm
[18:18] <Kilos> im ok ty
[18:18] <nsnzero> hi smile
[18:18] <Langjan> Good
[18:19] <Langjan> Hi smile you have a friendly nick
[18:20] <Langjan> Q plse Kilos
[18:21] <Kilos> ok
[18:21] <Langjan> Thks
[18:22] <Langjan> Juanitas desktop has ubuntu 14.04 on 30 GB partition of 250 GB drive
[18:22] <Kilos> ok
[18:22] <Langjan> I want to enlarge the ubuntu partition to about 200 GB and install Win 7 dual boot on the other 50 GB
[18:23] <smile> Langjan: of course! :D
[18:23] <smile> I am friendly ;)
[18:23] <Langjan> Can I do this without damaging the linux installation?
[18:23] <nsnzero> Langjan: i read somewhere that it is best to install windows first then linux
[18:23] <Langjan> Im sure smile
[18:24] <Kilos> yes
[18:24] <smile> :DD
[18:24] <Kilos> use gparted and make the partition larger
[18:24] <Langjan> ok nsn but ubuntu is already there, is it a problem?
[18:24] <nsnzero> let me think abot Langjan
[18:25] <nsnzero> *abit not about - sorry
[18:25] <Langjan> OK but the rest is a 100 GB partition where win 7 was previously and a 100 GB unallocated space
[18:25] <Kilos> but normally better to put windows first
[18:26] <Langjan> It will not be a problem to backup ubuntu and start afresh
[18:26] <nsnzero> i think a virtual machine install will be easier if you using the system for basic windows stuff
[18:27] <Kilos> but if win in virtual it shouldnt matter
[18:27] <nsnzero> its got a speed issue for gamimg Kilos and graphics
[18:27] <Langjan> I have a VBox on my system but it is too finicky, will prefer a win 7 on its own
[18:27] <Kilos> he doesnt game with it
[18:28] <Langjan> no gaming required here
[18:28] <Langjan> aye
[18:28] <nsnzero> all work and no play Langjan
[18:28] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <Langjan> so looks like I must backup, install win 7 then fresh install Ubuntu
[18:29] <Langjan> When I play I dont do it on computers
[18:29] <Langjan> then its not a break
[18:29] <nsnzero> lol - good one Langjan
[18:29] <Langjan> Like fishing or bowling
[18:29] <Langjan> lmga
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <nsnzero> wait what you can do is make a partition for win7 , and install it in there
[18:31] <Langjan> Well if that can work it may be the easier way nsnzero
[18:31] <nsnzero> make a second part for your home directory and move everythin across
[18:32] <Langjan> Ive heard of that a lot but sounds intimidating
[18:32] <Langjan> I get nervous around partitioning
[18:33] <Kilos> better to install win and then ubuntu
[18:33] <nsnzero> i have seperate parts for root and home - so if i have to install again - i wont loose the home directory , settings , etc
[18:34] <Langjan> Is that a better way than backing up home on external drive?
[18:35] <Langjan> I suppose backup keeps updated automatically
[18:35] <Kilos> very similar
[18:35] <Kilos> home is home
[18:35] <nsnzero> did you try doing a windows custom install - its in the windows 7 setup
[18:35] <Kilos> but if its on its own partition you install fresh but dont format /home
[18:36] <nsnzero> Langjan: backups are still essential - this just incase of system failure not hardware failure
[18:37] <nsnzero> i break my installs quite often by install from kubuntu cli repository
[18:37] <Langjan> nsnzero, yes I have assumed as such but am pondering the added benefits of a separate home partition
[18:38] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/142695/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-having-a-separate-home-partition
[18:39] <nsnzero> just 1 benefit - when you do a fresh install everything in home will still be there - saves time
[18:41] <nsnzero> 1 thing i hate in virtual box is that usb drive dont get autodetected , you have to select them from a menu
[18:41] <Langjan> Bear in mind its my wife's desktop, she only uses it occasionally and then almost exclusively for e-mails and facebook
[18:42] <nsnzero> safe bet Langjan - backup - install windows , install linux , restore - rather stick with want you know
[18:43] <Langjan> The win 7 I use for backup of my genealogy system, also only very occasionally (fortunately) - I get heartburn from too much windows
[18:44] <Langjan> Looks like the thing to do thks nsnzero and Kilos  agrees
[18:44] <Kilos> yip
[18:45] <nsnzero> best of luck - linux will resize the windows part itself too
[18:45] <Langjan> Kilos, by the way, my full screen prob is system related, still does the same in the new box
[18:45] <Langjan> thks nsnzero
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my
[18:46] <Kilos> not the hardware?
[18:46] <nsnzero> what screen prob ?
[18:46] <Kilos> graphics card
[18:46] <Kilos> get a pci plugin graphics card
[18:47] <smile> not pci-e? :p
[18:47] <Kilos> yes whatever that motherboard has
[18:48] <Kilos> i think the onboard graphics cant handle full screen
[18:48] <smile> pci-e is current technology, for ten years now +- :)
[18:48] <nsnzero> how i miss my gaming days ....
[18:49] <Langjan> Kilos, in both machines? Too much of a co-incidence and Juanitas MBoard never had that problem
[18:49] <Kilos> oh i see
[18:49] <Kilos> same system in 2 different machines
[18:49] <Langjan> yes
[18:50] <Kilos> and 14.04 was ok
[18:50] <Langjan> Yes
[18:50] <Kilos> easy to fix
[18:50] <Kilos> install kde
[18:50] <Langjan> AArgh!
[18:50] <Kilos> hahahahahaha
[18:51] <Langjan> Dripping tap again...
[18:51] <Langjan> lmga
[18:52] <Langjan> But you did say do fresh install, I think that would have sorted it
[18:52] <nsnzero> 1 thing i learned in linux - every problem can be solved by tinkering
[18:53] <Langjan> Yes as long as you have the time and know where to tinker
[18:53] <Langjan> Grey hair does not help, they just get worse
[18:53] <Langjan> those that dont fall out
[18:54] <Kilos> lol nsnzero he is 8 years and 2 months older than me
[18:54] <Kilos> really old
[18:54] <nsnzero> Langjan: i am catching up with you guys ...
[18:54] <Langjan> but you have higher mileage
[18:54] <Kilos> hahahahahaha
[18:54] <Kilos> nsnzero you have a long way to go
[18:55] <Langjan> how young you nsnzero ?
[18:55] <nsnzero> when i go to the barber i ask him to put hair on my head not cut it off
[18:55] <Langjan> lmga!
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <nsnzero> i will be 40 next year august
[18:55] <Langjan> Some guys lose hair in twenties
[18:56] <Langjan> ok still umfaan
[18:56] <Langjan> but be careful
[18:56] <Langjan> jy verloor jou hare as jy 'n skuiwergat trou
[18:56] <Langjan> en toelaat dat sy op jou kop sit
[18:56] <Kilos> hahahahahaaa
[18:56] <nsnzero> how time flies
[18:57] <Langjan> yes indeed
[18:57] <Langjan> back to win and linux install plse
[18:57] <Langjan> do I install win on whole disk or make a partition first?
[18:58] <nsnzero> we got side tracked sorry -  we agreed , backup and install fresh
[18:59] <nsnzero> you can partition during the windows install - in the advanced setup menu - its somewhere there
[18:59] <Langjan> ok then allocate as much space as I want to allow for windows
[19:00] <nsnzero> yes - leave the rest unallocated space - linux should automatically pick up that space and install there
[19:01] <Langjan> and the windows partition formatted to?
[19:01] <Langjan> fat32 or something like that?
[19:02] <Kilos> ntfs
[19:02] <nsnzero> the win7 setup will do all of that - linux doesnt do ntfs i think
[19:02] <smile> nsnzero: linux does NTFS
[19:03] <smile> I use it :)
[19:03] <nsnzero> and now i know , thanks smile
[19:03] <MaNI> NTFS support is pretty good these days, though I still wouldn't use it where it can be avoided
[19:03] <Langjan> ok but I need to format the disk first?
[19:04] <smile> NTFS support works 99,99% of the time, has problems with files being marked as executable while they are not, but it's not a major problem
[19:04] <nsnzero> not format - partition it first - 50G for win7
[19:05] <nsnzero> formating will preserve the previous parts which you dont require
[19:05] <Langjan> It already has three partitions
[19:05] <nsnzero> can i ask why you use ntfs on linux , smile ?
[19:06] <smile> I have a dualboot :)
[19:06] <smile> ntfs is used for my data partition and my windows partition
[19:06] <smile> ext4 support on Windows is bad
[19:06] <smile> read support is fine, write support still sucks
[19:06] <smile> and performance is very bad
[19:07] <nsnzero> Langjan: read out the part , there should be boot , root and swap
[19:08] <smile> see you later! :)
[19:08] <Kilos> go well lad
[19:08] <Langjan> 'bye friendly man
[19:09] <nsnzero> take care smile - keep joining the chat
[19:10] <Langjan> nsnzero, you lost me there - the drive currently has a 30 GB where ubuntu is, 100 GB unallocated and 100 GB where win 7 was previously
[19:10] <nsnzero> Langjan: did you backup your ubuntu ?
[19:10] <Langjan> just about done
[19:11] <nsnzero> this is not the same machine you chatting from ?
[19:12] <Langjan> No, backup completed
[19:12] <Langjan> now boot win dvd?
[19:13] <Langjan> or gparted first?
[19:13] <nsnzero> 1 second Langjan
[19:13]  * Kilos watches
[19:15] <nsnzero> all your data is safely backuped - because there is no going back once we start
[19:15] <nsnzero> *backed-up
[19:15] <Langjan> Yes  just did some from her desktop also, then its all done
[19:17] <nsnzero> there is a folders called users in the C:\ directory you can copy that straigth across is contains all the other directories for each user
[19:17] <nsnzero> win7 dvd and license key on hand ?
[19:19] <Langjan> yes but where do I find that C:\ directory?
[19:19] <Langjan> users let me have a look
[19:19] <Langjan> usr?
[19:20] <nsnzero> open explorer - its in the c drive
[19:20] <Langjan> sorry nsn, explorer?
[19:21] <nsnzero> if its not there and you confident everything is backuped - we can move forward
[19:21] <nsnzero> press the windows key + 'e' together to open explorer
[19:21] <Langjan> Yes all backed up, complete home folder and desktop
[19:22] <nsnzero> wait - we still on ubuntu - nevermind the above
[19:22] <Langjan> yes
[19:23] <nsnzero> pop in the windows dvd and reboot - select dvd rom in the boot option
[19:23] <Langjan> thought I had lost it
[19:23] <Langjan> ok
[19:24] <nsnzero> in case i get disconnected : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[19:25] <Langjan> many thks
[19:25] <Langjan> windows loading files
[19:26] <Langjan> starting wndows
[19:27] <Langjan> install or repair
[19:27] <nsnzero> install
[19:27] <Langjan> ok
[19:27] <Langjan> setup starting
[19:28] <Langjan> upgrade or custom
[19:28] <nsnzero> custom
[19:29] <Langjan> then advanced drive options?
[19:29] <nsnzero> yes
[19:29] <nsnzero> you should see the partition come up
[19:29] <Langjan> format?
[19:30] <Langjan> it gives predetermined partitions
[19:30] <Langjan> and options like new, format, extend, load driver
[19:30] <nsnzero> but do those partition add up to the total disk space ?
[19:31] <Langjan> yes just about, 250 GB
[19:31] <Langjan> I want to limit win to about 50 GB
[19:31] <nsnzero> whats the total disk size ?
[19:31] <Langjan> 250
[19:32] <Langjan> say 240 GB
[19:32] <nsnzero> can you read off the partition names listed ?
[19:32] <Kilos> im gonna say night guys. see you in the morning again
[19:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:32] <nsnzero> take care kilos
[19:32] <Kilos> ty
[19:32] <Langjan> gnight Kilos sleep well
[19:33] <Kilos> dankie oom en julle oo
[19:33] <Kilos> k
[19:33] <Langjan> disk 0 unallocated 307 MB
[19:33] <Langjan> disk 0 partition 1 98 GB system
[19:34] <Langjan> disk 0 unallocated space 98 GB
[19:34] <Langjan> disk 0 partition 2, 33 GB primary
[19:35] <nsnzero> those are the partition we need to delete - click on them and look for a delete option
[19:35] <Langjan> disk 0 partition 3 3,9 GB logical
[19:35] <Langjan> ok
[19:35] <Langjan> all of them
[19:36] <nsnzero> all of them
[19:37] <Langjan> ok all deleted now 23 GB unallocated space
[19:37] <Langjan> 233 GB
[19:37] <nsnzero> so we end up with a +- 240G unallocated space
[19:38] <Langjan> right
[19:38] <nsnzero> is there a continue at the bottom ? select the 233G partition and continue
[19:38] <Langjan> option is "new"?
[19:39] <Langjan> or refresh or load driver
[19:39] <Langjan> or "next"
[19:39] <nsnzero> select the "next" button
[19:40] <Langjan> now installing windows
[19:40] <nsnzero> coffee time Langjan
[19:41] <Langjan> I'm keeping you up late nsnzero , shall I continue via the link and get back tomorrow if needed?
[19:46] <nsnzero> no i will stay on a bit longer - until the ubunut install
[19:49] <nsnzero> time on the windows install to finish ?
[19:53] <Langjan> Looks like its done, starting windows
[19:54] <Langjan> completing installation
[19:56] <Langjan> still running completing
[19:57] <Langjan> not sure when to remove dvd
[19:57] <nsnzero> it will tell you to reboot
[19:57] <Langjan> setup preparing coomputer for first use...
[19:57] <nsnzero> ok get the ubuntu dvd ready but dont put it in yet
[19:58] <Langjan> it had rebooted a few times, then asks to boot frm CD
[19:58] <Langjan> so I have removed win dvd
[19:59] <nsnzero> no problem - once windows settles we can boot ubuntu
[20:00] <Langjan> ok have just entered name, password etc
[20:00] <Langjan> finalizing settings
[20:00] <Langjan> rebooting
[20:01] <Langjan> preparing desktop
[20:02] <Langjan> done, ok now boot on ubuntu dvd?
[20:03] <nsnzero> yes - you can start ubuntu
[20:03] <Langjan> ok booting
[20:03] <Langjan> ah goood...
[20:04] <nsnzero> this will start the ubunut live cd - you need to click the install ubuntu icon
[20:04] <Langjan> ubuntu starting
[20:04] <Langjan> right
[20:05] <Langjan> getting there
[20:07] <Langjan> install alongside windows 7?
[20:07] <nsnzero> ubuntu should detect win7 is already installed on the hardrive
[20:07] <nsnzero> yes
[20:07] <nsnzero> now there is a slider to set the disk space
[20:07] <Langjan> drag divider
[20:07] <Langjan> right
[20:08] <nsnzero> set the windows to the required 50G
[20:08] <Langjan> right
[20:08] <Langjan> then install?
[20:08] <nsnzero> now once you happy - click forward
[20:08] <nsnzero> yes
[20:08] <Langjan> there is 1 small hidden partition
[20:09] <nsnzero> thats should be the boot partition windows and linux uses
[20:09] <Langjan> I assiumed as such, ignore and proceed
[20:09] <Langjan> ?
[20:10] <nsnzero> yes - ubuntu will install GRUB by itself onto that hidden part
[20:11] <Langjan> OK its resizing, I think I will get the rest done - many many thanks nsnzero really apppreciate your time and help
[20:11] <nsnzero> ubuntu should be resizing the win7 part
[20:11] <nsnzero> no problem at all Langjan
[20:11] <Langjan> Setting time zones
[20:12] <Langjan> keyboard etc so were there
[20:12] <Langjan> Hope you sleep well
[20:13] <nsnzero> i hope so too - had a rough night yesterday
[20:13] <nsnzero> you take care as well Langjan - good night
[20:13] <Langjan> thks nsn go well
[20:13] <Langjan> nsnzero,
[20:14] <nsnzero> i will wait 15 minutes more just to make sure all goes well though
[20:15] <Langjan> Ai, many thks butI'm sure all is well, went very smoothly thanks to expert guidance
[20:16] <Langjan> Will just install her desktop and home folder and all should be well, she wont even notice.
[20:16] <nsnzero> its only my 2nd dual boot install - i run everything in vmplayer or vbox
[20:18] <Langjan> Well done. Dont know vmplayer but use vbox for genealogy program, it has improved of late but is still a bit finicky and loses its win installation if youre not careful
[20:19] <nsnzero> yip - i had that problem- on my first install though i did something wrong but it was vbox
[20:21] <Langjan> Lost my vbox today simply because it detected that I had inserted the hdd in another machine
[20:22] <Langjan> Had to reinstall from scratch
[20:24] <nsnzero> yip but it was my first try so it wasnt a biggie
[20:25] <Langjan> first time is always big
[20:26] <nsnzero> most time i rush the first setup - i dont read the manual properly - so second install is almost always needed
[20:29] <Langjan> Afrikaners say "hoe meer haas hoe minder spoed"
[20:30] <Langjan> more haste = less speed
[20:31] <nsnzero> too fast for my own good !!!
[20:31] <Langjan> I'm also inclined to jump and then think
[20:32] <Langjan> Patience is a virtue
[20:32] <nsnzero> my wife as no patience - calling me to bed now
[20:33] <Langjan> but then each of us is unique, created to operate the way we were made for a purpose
[20:33] <nsnzero> take care Langjan - chat tomorrow
[20:33] <Langjan> OK sleep well nsnzero and apologies to your wife but tell her it was for a good deed for the aged
[20:34] <nsnzero> will do - good night
[20:34] <Langjan> bye now


[00:55] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/commit/a72f14ea9cb832faaac946 still scares me, haha
[00:55] <harlowja> that whole code scares me, lol
[00:56]  * harlowja thought cloudstack was in java, doesn't java have a built-in http server :-P
[00:57] <harlowja> aka, http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver/spec/com/sun/net/httpserver/HttpServer.html or one of the other ones...
[09:46] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: harlowja_away has (I believe) signed off on https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/cloudstack-passwords/+merge/250028; could I get a merge?
[14:04] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, from the bug..
[14:04] <smoser> "One major issue we need to decide whether or not we want to integrate this in to the main CloudStack data source (as in my patch), or if it's divergent enough to merit its own (derivative) data source. Direction on this would be much appreciated.
[14:04] <smoser> "
[14:05] <smoser> why would we not want it in main datasource?
[14:14] <smoser> merged
[14:25] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: That was before I realised that this was deployed as part of CloudStack, I think.  Thanks!
[14:26] <smoser> ok, thanks. and good work.
[17:42] <smoser> httpretty doesn't seem to like cloud-init test suite much.
[21:40] <smoser> harlowja, if you're bored https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1424900
[21:57] <harlowja> hmmm
[21:57] <harlowja> 'bytes -> text -> bytes and lose data in the process.'
[21:57] <harlowja> fun fun, lol
[21:58] <smoser> i hate python
[21:58] <smoser> thats what i think is happening, but might be wrong.
[21:58] <smoser> we're close to having some tests, i tihkn the tests push the code through the code path properly , but just do not actually validate it properly.
[21:58] <smoser> anyway, if you want to take a stab :)
[21:59] <smoser> i'm out, though. have a good one.
[22:00] <harlowja> kk
[23:12] <tennis_> Is there any reason to run cloud-init on vagrant/virtualbox  ?
[23:13] <harlowja> tennis_ because u want to?
[23:13] <harlowja> lol
[23:15] <harlowja> smoser btw, i'll be out tommorow -> sun; skiinggggggg
[23:15] <tennis_> well, since the concept of meta-data doesn't really exist on vagrant/virtualbox, then it doesn't seem very useful.
[23:19] <harlowja> then i guess don't run it :-p