[16:53] <savvas> Seb: the bw limit for wget is --limit-rate=50 :)
[16:53] <ionstorm> because sysv-rc-conf didnt reenable preload
[16:53] <ionstorm> also
[16:54] <ionstorm> i cant get bootchart to work
[16:54] <Seb> savvas: yeah, that i know ;)
[16:54] <ionstorm> it never makes an image
[16:54] <Seb> savvas: but it didn't get any further than the rest
[16:54] <ionstorm> anyone have this issue?
[16:54] <savvas> Seb: ok, try this: rsync -P --bwlimit=50 --progress archive.ubuntu.com::ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic_2.6.24-12.22_i386.deb ./
[16:54] <flipstar> ionstorm: the sysv-rc-conf is only for next boot..
[16:54] <ionstorm> flipstar, oh, how do you make the settings perm,
[16:54] <Seb> savvas: doing this now, but i'm afraid it won't work. It tried to resume and didn't go nowhere, so I removed my local (truncated) copy and started over
[16:55] <Seb> savvas: same thing
[16:55] <Seb> time to scp from a remote shell account i think
[16:55] <flipstar> ionstorm: when you set it in sysv-rc-conf it will load this on boot, not on actually running system
[16:56] <savvas> Seb: how are you connected to him? vnc ?
[16:56] <Seb> savvas: ssh
[16:56] <flipstar> Seb i would try to download local and transfer from local to the remote
[16:56] <Seb> yep, my plan
[16:56] <Seb> after that i will be running out of ideas :)
[16:56] <flipstar> good luck then :)
[16:57] <ionstorm> anyone have an issue with bootchart in hardy?
[17:01] <Seb> savvas,flipstar: heh, his ISP can't do nothing against scp :>
[17:01] <Seb> it's going string right now
[17:02] <Seb> strong*
[17:03] <asdrubal> what is the time frame on fixing linux kernel?
[17:03]  * Seb may have spoken too soon
[17:03] <Seb> stalled at 79%
[17:03] <asdrubal> Why didn't ubuntu try to get Linus to include the alsa updates? at least that way the kernel developers would fix all the problems
[17:03] <savvas> heh
[17:03] <Seb> and i don't know of any resuming cpabilities for scp :\
[17:03] <Seb> or are there any ?>
[17:04] <Seb> asdrubal: i doubt ubuntu could strong-arm linus into doing anything about the kernel, man
[17:07] <GiddyGlipper> i'm hungry for beta
[17:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, eat some alpha
[17:07] <GiddyGlipper> [Hardy]TuTUXG, mm
[17:07] <GiddyGlipper> [Hardy]TuTUXG, k now i need beta :)
[17:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[17:08] <Galga> beta will include kernel i686 or 686 ? instead of 386 ?
[17:08] <savvas> Galga: here you go http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the generic kernel is for 686
[17:08] <savvas> you'll be the tester for beta :)
[17:08] <Galga> savvas: nice
[17:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and there is also amd64
[17:08] <Galga> savvas: thanks
[17:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> GiddyGlipper, go yell at #ubuntu-dev
[17:08] <savvas> Galga: by tester, i mean it's not official ;)
[17:10] <Galga> savvas: its ok i can understand.
[17:11] <Gnine> !topic
[17:11] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:12] <ader11> Is it possible to remove drm in wma
[17:12] <asdrubal> Why did ubuntu get rid of the cx88-alsa module?
[17:12] <asdrubal> now I don't get sound with my tv card
[17:12] <savvas> Seb: check if the hard disks/filesystem you're transferring to is full: df -h
[17:13] <savvas> but wait,  it went through with the 600gb
[17:13] <savvas> *mb
[17:13] <savvas> ignore that :P
[17:13] <strabes> what time is beta scheduled to be out?
[17:13] <savvas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta ;)
[17:14] <savvas> strabes: in 7 days
[17:14] <Galga> savvas: i m x-window user :). your link opens another link, which one should i downlaod :)
[17:14] <asdrubal> Does ubuntu plan on keeping cx88-alsa out of the kernel forever?
[17:14] <Gnine> digital rights management questions should be directed to ##windows
[17:14] <strabes> savvas: on the hardyheronreleaseschedule it says it's today
[17:14] <savvas> Galga: i386 or amd64 ?
[17:14] <asdrubal> because they removed the bug from launchpad
[17:14] <Galga> i386
[17:14] <asdrubal> so now nobody even knows the module is gone
[17:14] <savvas> strabes: yeah, well i mean be patient, and /topic
[17:15] <strabes> savvas: ooh ok. "coming soon"
[17:15] <Galga> i386, desktop
[17:15] <savvas> Galga: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/1428 - next to the tile there is an image with a cd and an arrow
[17:16] <GiddyGlipper> what could it mean!!
[17:16] <Galga> savvas: nice :) thats more like it.
[17:16] <GiddyGlipper> a cd and an arrow! (mysterious glances)
[17:18] <Gnine> Galga: do .torrent files when/if possible
[17:18] <Galga> wow cool dl speed, almost 400kb
[17:18] <savvas> oh for the love of god, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/1428
[17:18] <savvas> :P
[17:18] <IcemanV9> is there x-gzip decoder plugin for totem?? i got an error message that it is missing. yes, i am using totem-gstreamer.
[17:19] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, totem sucks, use vlc
[17:19] <savvas> GiddyGlipper: vlc sucks, smplayer
[17:19] <Gnine> false
[17:19] <IcemanV9> GiddyGlipper: no kidding. i am trying to stay "default" as much as i can.
[17:20] <Gnine> !vlc
[17:20] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[17:20] <savvas> let people use what they like, you might not like it, opinions matter
[17:20] <Gnine> !best
[17:20] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[17:20] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, have you tried vlc? it's better
[17:20] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, indeed but perhaps he hadn't tried it yet
[17:20] <savvas> i step back then :)
[17:20] <GiddyGlipper> there is no !best but there is !better
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, then step forward
[17:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[17:21] <IcemanV9> i installed hardy past week; i am trying to see if everything works without giving up and install something else, such as, vlc, mplayer, etc ...
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, and back
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> savvas, then step forward
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> and we're dancing!
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> :D
[17:21] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, it's not giving up, it's upgrading
[17:21] <savvas> I'd still love hardy if they included deluge-torrent instead of transmission for bittorrent
[17:21] <omar> Guys I have a problem with the desktop, I can't see the background, nor the right-click menu, nor the icons. Please help.
[17:21] <IcemanV9> GiddyGlipper: ha. in your OWN words. ;-)
[17:22] <GiddyGlipper> IcemanV9, :)
[17:22] <savvas> and that the firewall ufw had bandwidth / traffic shaping :(
[17:23] <omar> Guys I have a problem with the desktop, I can't see the background, nor the right-click menu, nor the icons. Please help.
[17:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, can u open a terminal?
[17:23] <Gnine> transmission allows to control how many leechers and how much bandwidth you share per leech
[17:24] <savvas> omar: try press alt-f2 and run: gnome-terminal
[17:24] <IcemanV9> hmm. xine would be the next step before install 3rd pty media player
[17:24] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Yes
[17:24] <savvas> omar: then: killall nautilus
[17:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, on terminal, run nautilus
[17:24] <omar> I can run the teminal
[17:25] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Done
[17:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, got the desktop?
[17:26] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Nope, I got the file browser
[17:26] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: On the file browser, there's the Desktop folder, but it seems empty.
[17:27] <Gnine> is compiz running
[17:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, sorry, by desktop, i mean wallpaper
[17:27] <omar> Gnine: Yes Compiz is running.
[17:28] <Gnine> on terminal, do 'metacity --replace'
[17:28] <omar> [Hardy]TuTUXG: No, nothing seemed to have happened
[17:28] <asdrubal> Why did ubuntu get rid of the bug report for cx88-alsa?
[17:28] <asdrubal> there is no cx88-alsa module anymore
[17:28] <asdrubal> what happened?
[17:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> omar, try what gnine said
[17:28] <Gnine> omar: is that a fresh install
[17:29] <omar> Gnine: Yes, I just upgraded it a couple oif hours ago.
[17:30] <Gnine> no output on metacity?
[17:30] <omar> Gnine: I just replaced it with Metacity, but it didn't solve the problem.
[17:31] <Gnine> are you using ATI?
[17:31] <omar> ATI graphic card you mean?
[17:31] <Gnine> yes
[17:33] <omar> Gnine: Nope, I have Intel.
[17:34] <Gnine> do you get window borders on your terminal?
[17:34] <omar> Gnine: Everything was just fine a couple of minutes ago.
[17:35] <omar> Gnine: Yes
[17:36] <omar> Gnine: I can see everything except for the Background, Icons, and the right-click menu.
[17:37] <Gnine> check system>preferences>appereance
[17:37] <is_it_done_yet> is it done yet
[17:37] <niekie> No.
[17:38] <is_it_done_yet> why not
[17:39] <IcemanV9> wicked!!! totem-xine works!! totem-gstreamer NEVER works since hoary (at least for me)!
[17:39] <niekie> is_it_done_yet: don't ask me.
[17:40] <is_it_done_yet> niekie, OK
[17:40] <is_it_done_yet> i need it
[17:40] <is_it_done_yet> my body is in pain without it
[17:40] <_ajw_> it seems like "evolution-addressbook-export" isn't working with hardy yet -- when I try " evolution-addressbook-export -l" it throws up a list of my addressbooks and the warning "** (evolution-addressbook-export:xxxx): WARNING **: FIXME: wait for completion unimplemented" where the xxxx are some numbers (different every time {job no.?})
[17:41] <Gnine> by the way, omar, since compiz does not seem to be the problem then, in terminal, do 'compiz --replace' or just restart X to get compiz back
[17:41] <_ajw_> Any ideas?
[17:45] <omar_> Gnine: Thanks a lot, the problem is now fixed, all I had to do was "sudo killall nautilus", I got my desktop back. :)
[17:46] <Gnine> thank savvas for that
[17:46] <omar_> Well, thank you all! :D
[17:48] <BadRobot> hi there
[17:48] <BadRobot> does anyone knows when Hardy Beta will be on the servers for download?
[17:49] <UnNaturalHigh> BadRobot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:50] <Gnine> no matter. you still a tester.
[17:52] <omar_> Guys, apparently, it seems like Alpha 6 is due today, is it out yet or what?
[17:55] <omar_> Gnine: Yeah, sure. But by the release of the Beta version, dozens of problems will be tackled, ya know..
[17:56] <IcemanV9> will most stuff from hardy be backported to dapper since both are LTS??
[17:57] <Galga> Gnine: i can seed when download is finished or should i look for the torrent now ?
[17:58] <omar_> Okay, I'm not sure if Alpha 6 is released yet or not. But one thing 100000000% sure about is that I LOVE UBUNTU (and Linux in general)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
[18:01] <IcemanV9> where can i enable the closed-captioning in totem-xine?? i'm watching live ncaa tourney game online.
[18:01] <Gnine> you need a .torrent file for that, Galga
[18:02] <BadRobot> what is ncaa tourney?IcemanV9
[18:03] <Dazgard> hi
[18:03] <IcemanV9> BadRobot: college men's basketball tournament (March Madness). it's a BIG event in USA.
[18:03] <richard__> beta fever!! :D
[18:04] <Dazgard> i've an error with my install "cannot open display: "
[18:04] <Dazgard> how can i get around this ?
[18:04] <Dazgard> abyone knows ?
[18:04] <BadRobot> ok
[18:04] <IcemanV9> Dazgard: what were you installing??
[18:04] <Dazgard> nothing
[18:04] <BadRobot> i am waiting for the beta to arrive
[18:04] <Dazgard> i hapen some time
[18:05] <Dazgard> i just loose my display
[18:05] <BadRobot> anyone waiting for Hardy Beta?
[18:05] <Dazgard> every working soft are ok, but i can't launch no apps nomore
[18:07] <IcemanV9> BadRobot: ha. i am waiting for the release. ;-)
[18:08] <Dazgard> guys, i've to restart X to but able to lauch apps, so brb :(
[18:10] <Dazgard> im back
[18:10] <Dazgard> :)
[18:11] <IcemanV9> problem solved??
[18:12] <Galga> hmm
[18:13] <Dazgard> nope
[18:13] <Galga> is there default firewall running on alpha 6 ? if so how can i check for status
[18:13] <Dazgard> example :
[18:13] <Dazgard>  /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin X11 error: Can't open display: :0.0
[18:14] <Dazgard> echo $DISPLAY -> :0.0
[18:14] <flipstar> !info uwf hardy | Galga
[18:14] <ubotu> galga: Package uwf does not exist in hardy
[18:14] <flipstar> !info ufw hardy | Galga
[18:14] <ubotu> galga: ufw (source: ufw): program for managing a netfilter firewall. In component main, is optional. Version 0.16 (hardy), package size 21 kB, installed size 204 kB
[18:14] <Dazgard> perhaps this has something to do with my netbeans installation
[18:14] <sebbar> BETA FEEEEVEEERRR :D
[18:14] <Dazgard> brb killing X .....
[18:15] <Galga> ok thanks
[18:15] <Dazgard> :(
[18:16] <Dazgard> i'll try not to lauch netbeans and see what happen
[18:17] <Belisarivs> Hi all.
[18:17] <Dazgard> hi
[18:17] <Belisarivs> Could someone help me with wifi card intel 3945 in Hardy?
[18:18] <Belisarivs> I just upgraded. All seems to be OK. However my wifi doesn't work.
[18:19] <flipstar> was it working before ?
[18:19] <Belisarivs> It is detected by lspci properly. But it doesn't turn on. No blue light.
[18:19] <Belisarivs> Yes,  It was.
[18:20] <flipstar> you did a dist upgrade or just updated some packages ?
[18:20] <Belisarivs> dist upgrade via "update-manager -d"
[18:22] <Dazgard> no display loose, seems to be related to java/netbeans !!
[18:22] <jester7> Belisarivs: i have to ask. "no blue light"  are you sure the switch isn't turned off? i've seen people actually bump that switch and troubleshoot their wireless for days :p
No, I tried to turn it on.
[18:24] <Belisarivs> I'm not such moron. But that happens. :)
[18:28] <Belisarivs> I did follow this manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy?highlight=(WifiDocs%2FDriver) to switch to iwl3945 drivers
[18:31] <BunnyRevolution> so did kubuntu release a beta today?
[18:32] <TheImp> until now: no.
[18:32] <kristjan_> any kde4 experts here?
[18:32] <sami88> Can I update my libc6?
[18:32] <kristjan_> sami88: sure
[18:32] <sami88> is it safe to do so yet?
[18:32] <TheImp> sami88: if you ask this question: no ;)
[18:32] <sami88> lol
[18:33] <kristjan_> sami88: yeah it's safe
[18:33] <sami88> I've been leaving that unchecked in the update manager for the past week, since everyone had an issue (and it was documented in the forums)
[18:34] <kristjan_> ok I'm going to ask this again: is there a way to limit fps in kde4 then vsync is off? (if nobody knows, then I guess I give up on this channel)
[18:35] <sami88> sorry, I don't use kde that much :(
[18:35] <kristjan_> sami88: lol, you don't have to apologize
[18:36] <kristjan_> it's the harsh reality of kde user, no distro likes it more than gnome :-(
[18:36] <flipstar> kde4 > #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[18:36] <sami88> I tried Kubuntu with kde4... it was frustrating.
[18:37] <kristjan_> flipstar: nice I thought alpha6 questions come here
[18:37]  * kristjan_ moves away in hope to get the answer
[18:38]  * kumarphilly off to get ritas
[18:46] <Belisarivs> I'm back. Something froze my screen. Could use Magic key, though.
[18:46] <Belisarivs> Any ideas what to do with that intel 3945?
[18:47] <Belisarivs> I spotted, that wireless network is among those available in Network manager. Also ifconfig -a displays wlan0 properly with its correct mac address.
[18:49] <Galga> xserver included with 8.04 is as good as metro-x and accelerated-x or, those commercial products perform better ? thanks
[18:52] <GhotiPhud> hi all
[18:53] <Skiessi> are they going to release the beta today? ¬_¬ it's kinda late already...
[18:53] <flipstar> remember utc ..
[18:54] <fuzzy76> it's nearly 19:00 utc, so it's late any way you see it :)
[18:54] <Skiessi> 6:49 PM
[18:55] <Four23619> It is almost 4 AM here, I need sleep. Am waiting for the Beta.
[18:55] <ilyaromanenko> hi all! can anyone help me? i need to find one man with certain nickname, how can i do that?
[18:55]  * fuzzy76 is at UTC + 1
[18:55] <ilyaromanenko> maybe private message or such sing?
[18:55] <Four23619> GMT +9 here.
[18:55] <fuzzy76> ilyaromanenko: /whois nickname
[18:56] <ilyaromanenko> thanks a lot
[18:56] <ilyaromanenko> :)
[18:56] <flipstar> ilyaromanenko: if he isnt there anymore type /msg seenserv seen <nick>
[18:56] <fuzzy76> It only works if he's logged on though
[18:57] <ilyaromanenko> if there is no output that means he is offline?
[18:57] <fuzzy76> or that the output wound up in your status/server window
[18:57] <ilyaromanenko> ahaha :) thanks :)
[18:58] <ilyaromanenko> :No such nick/channel
[18:58] <ilyaromanenko> i found it
[18:58] <ilyaromanenko> output ;)
[18:58] <flipstar> means offline, yep
[18:58] <flipstar> or typo :)
[18:58] <GhotiPhud> how would I check out the latest version of xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[18:59] <GhotiPhud> I'd like to build it from git
[19:02] <rebelThor_> hey, does sound work in 2.6.24-12-generic ?
[19:02] <Galga> yup
[19:02] <rebelThor_> well, it doesn't for me, worked in 2.6.24-11 though
[19:02] <omar> How can I find out which version of Compiz I'm using?
[19:02] <Galga> rebelThor_: #alsa :)
[19:03] <rebelThor_> i'm on pulseaudio, audacious seems to be playing, but there is no sound output
[19:03] <flipstar> compiz --version
[19:03] <rebelThor_> Galga: #alsa for pulseaudio ?
[19:03] <omar> Thanks
[19:03] <flipstar> rebelThor_: in audacious you can also try alsa or oss
[19:04] <GhotiPhud> sound is working for me in 2.6.24-12-generic
[19:04] <rebelThor_> flipstar, i did, same result, no sound coming out of the speakers, but also no error
[19:04] <flipstar> try mplayr for more output ..
[19:05] <rebelThor_> why would i try to find some alternate output method and not try to see what's causing pulse audio not to function?
[19:07] <rebelThor_> riiight. so. it just *started working*
[19:08] <rebelThor_> changed in audacious to OSS, let it play for about half a minute, then it started spitting sound.
[19:08] <rebelThor_> like.. wtf?!
[19:08] <rebelThor_> out of nowhere?
[19:10] <ilyaromanenko> oh maybe someone helps me with one problem: when i've installed xserver to fix problems with graphical effects it seems to be all ok but new problem starts: when i'm watching films through totem powersave turns off my monitor after 5 or 10 minutes :((
[19:11] <flipstar> ilyaromanenko: did you disabled the screensaver/power management ?
[19:12] <ilyaromanenko> i've disabled all screensaver and power management
[19:14] <flipstar> this happens only with totem ?
[19:14] <ilyaromanenko> hmm :) i haven't test it with others
[19:16] <rebelThor_> ilyaromanenko, try mplayer, it is supposed to have a "disable screensaver" switch somewhere
[19:16] <KalEl> hi...i've got hardy heron accidentally installed. but now that i have it is there any way i can somehow help the community in the release process?
[19:17] <KalEl> nothing will make me happier than contributing whatever little i can to the ubuntu community.
[19:17] <KalEl> thanks
[19:17] <rebelThor_> KalEl,  use it like you would normally would, see what doesn't work properly, and report it i guess
[19:18] <ilyaromanenko> thanks - i will try :)
[19:18] <KalEl> ok
[19:20] <budmang> Can anyone help/point me in the right direction for dual monitor?
[19:20] <budmang> Intel GMA.
[19:20] <rebelThor_> KalEl: also, if you have a laptop, there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam which would be happy to accept your report about different stuff in your laptop (start with another laptop as an example)
[19:21] <Johan-_> so "Soon" isn't yet :)
[19:22] <Johan-_> any ideas on when the beta will come?
[19:22] <KalEl> ok thanks... but i have a desktop only at this moment. i'll check that site still though.
[19:23] <KalEl> and btw, just for information as of now i've seen no problem at all with my setup :)
[19:23] <len_> The ubuntu wiki page shows 8.04 beta as being ready and and gives download links to it, but the links aren't valid yet.  I guess the documentation is a few hours ahead of the beta itself.
[19:24] <flipstar> len_: this is always like this..dont worry
[19:25] <rebelThor_> maybe it depends on the time-zone :D
[19:25] <rebelThor_> just as a parenthesis, having an Alpha4 updated with dist-upgrade is no different from a fresh install of Beta, right?
[19:25] <flipstar> right
[19:26] <flipstar> except for your settings
[19:26] <len_> Not so much worried as eager.  :) I was running that alpha on a machine up until a week or so again when one of the updates rendered my machine unbootable.  I decided, at that point, to wait until beta to reinstall it.
[19:26] <flipstar> probably the libc thing..
[19:27] <flipstar> we only had one of this afair
[19:28] <richard__> BETA FEVER :D
[19:28] <fromport> Dont Panic! :-)
[19:32] <len_> I was having major video problems up until shortly after alpha6, then most of the problems went away and it was starting to look solid; then a day or two after that, I got hosed? :)   I figured there'd be some big issues involved in switching to xorg 7.3, but it looks like those were fixed recently.
[19:34] <aetaric> beta is out today?
[19:35] <bardyr> it should be
[19:35] <len_> Today was the target day on the roadmap anyway.
[19:35] <richard__> yep
[19:35] <richard__> im waiting eagerly
[19:36] <Dazgard> hi there
[19:36] <Dazgard> just to let you know
[19:37] <aoupi> anyone comments on updating with update-manager?
[19:37] <Dazgard> i installed the jdk provided by ubuntu, and everything gone ok ;)
[19:37] <aoupi> has any*
[19:38] <Dazgard> so here's the equation hardy + jdk1.6.0_10 + netbeans 6.0.1 = PROBLEMS !!!
[19:38] <len_> I'm pretty sure the ubuntu beta will be pretty solid.  I'm crossing my fingers on kubuntu though.  I have much worse problems with the kubuntu alphas than the ubuntu ones for some reason.
[19:38] <Galga> Dazgard: jdk is java development kit ?
[19:38] <Dazgard> yes Galga
[19:38] <flipstar> update-manager will disable all third party resources ..
[19:38] <flipstar> if you had any
[19:39] <Galga> flipstar: how about re-enabling :)
[19:39] <Dazgard> time for me to leave
[19:39] <Dazgard> bye everyone
[19:39] <flipstar> most sources arent for hardy yet i guess
[19:39] <Galga> k
[19:40] <aoupi> is the beta still on schedule for today?
[19:40] <flipstar> most non-ubuntu sources of course
[19:40] <flipstar> aoupi: sure..
[19:40] <aoupi> great :)
[19:40] <len_> Was anything updated recently to break nx?  Up through alpha 6 I was running the version on nomachines site for gutsy without any problems.
[19:41] <Galga> flipstar: you mean beta is not available on ubuntu servers ? but on non-ubuntu. nice :)
[19:42] <flipstar> w00t? no
[19:42] <Galga> aaah ok, language barrier
[19:43] <flipstar> i was talking about reposetorys for hardy
[19:43] <slipttees> install hardy alfa6 in my other computer selected kemap "br" and clicked in  Next"restart Xsever
[19:43] <Galga> k
[19:44] <slipttees> clicked in "next" the Xserver Restart
[19:44] <slipttees> keymap*
[19:45] <len_> I hope they changed the default wallpaper in the beta.  That heron wallpaper in heron is god-awful ugly. :)
[19:45] <flipstar> slipttees: using a live cd ?
[19:45] <len_> in alpha, I mean
[19:46] <slipttees> flipstar: yes
[19:46] <flipstar> len_: wont change anyting anymore in any alpha
[19:46] <richard__> I love the default wallpaper
[19:47] <richard__> I just wish the theme would lighten up a bit
[19:47] <richard__> the window manager theme that is
[19:47] <flipstar> slipttees: if this happend only once i would try again..
[19:48] <slipttees> try again and don't work
[19:49] <flipstar> slipttees: did you checked the cd for errors? if yes you might try the alternate installer ..
[19:51] <slipttees> flipstar: ckeck m5sum it's ok
[19:51] <len_> So that ugly heron wallpaper is planned for final?  Default wallpaper makes no real difference of course, but I gives a bad inital aesthetic reaction.  That was my  reaction, anyway.   Glad to hear someone loves it.  It is probably one of those things you either love or hate.
[19:52] <flipstar> len_: maybe it will changed in beta but artwork deadline is still over ..
[19:52] <fromport> many more choices available:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate
[19:52] <slipttees> i kown
[19:52] <slipttees> :-)
[19:53] <spideylinux> I like the crazy heron wallpaper, but I changed it right away
[19:57] <fuzzy76> Are there anyone here that can actually say anything about the progress of the beta images?
[19:59] <fromport> when they are ready, they are ready
[20:00] <gregory> fromport: can i continue using a6 with updates or do i need to reinstall from the iso?
[20:01] <fromport> updating will be just fine (is my personal believe)
[20:02] <flipstar> ubotu believes that too :)
[20:02] <flipstar> !final
[20:02] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:02] <slipttees> flipstar: iso it's ok
[20:02] <mirak> hi
[20:03] <slipttees> ckecked now!
[20:03] <mirak> this command fails
[20:03] <mirak> mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb9 -f
[20:03] <mirak> mkfs.xfs: cannot open /dev/sdb9: Périphérique ou ressource occupé
[20:03] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[20:03] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:03] <flipstar> slipttees: i have no idea whats wrong then..you might try the alternate installer instead
[20:03] <aoupi> mirak: make sure it isn't mounted or anything (run "mount" to see mounted disks)
[20:03] <flipstar> mirak: try with sudo
[20:04] <mirak> flipstar: I do it as root ...
[20:04] <mirak> aoupi: nothing is mounted
[20:05] <slipttees> flipstar: ok, i want test alternative cd install
[20:05] <slipttees> thx
[20:05] <flipstar> np
[20:06] <MethodOne> what cd has the wubi installer, the live or alternate one?
[20:06] <fromport> mirak: ls -l /dev/sda9
[20:07] <mirak> fromport: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 25 2008-03-20 21:01 /dev/sdb9
[20:07] <flipstar> MethodOne: the live probably since the alternate dont have an X
[20:08] <fromport> mirak: are you using a live cd ? alternate ?
[20:09] <mirak> fromport: no it's a new hard drive
[20:09] <fromport> did you recently add sda9 ? did you reboot after partioning it ?
[20:12] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:12] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:12] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[20:12]  * fromport feels a use pastebin warning popping up :-)
[20:21] <noelferreira>   (Details: serial 89 error_code 1 request_code 151 minor_code 6)
[20:21] <noelferreira> hi. i just upgrade to hardy and i have this error when running gnome-setings-daemon : The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[20:21] <zcat[1]> Are the alphas supposed to get better over time, because I don't recally alpha1 being particularly buggy and alpha6 is really terrible (imho) .. I'm a bit worried since there's only a month to release
[20:22] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: in the alpha new things are introduced aswell
[20:22] <zcat[1]> ahh cool...
[20:23] <zcat[1]> I'll wait for the beta then :)
[20:23] <zcat[1]> I'm staying with gutsy for my regular desktop.. hardy's way to buggy for me yet :(
[20:23] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: it should come tonight :)
[20:24] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: I've only hade one serious problem so far
[20:24] <zcat[1]> Oh! Cool... how old is a6? I only installed it last night and didn't want to do another 360M of updates ..
[20:24] <gregory> zcat[1]: starting from beta there are only bugfixes (exceptions possible)
[20:25] <zcat[1]> Johan-_: stuff like screenlets seem very flakey .. third time it booted up, only one screen came on.. and not the one with the login prompt... those are awful bugs!
[20:27] <zcat[1]> I'm hoping hardy ends up much better that gutsy .. I had a few issues with that when it came out... the sound mixer was terrible. The printer dialog was a regression from the nice friendly one in Feisty ... (I ended up finding and installing the older one!)
[20:27] <Johan-_> it should become better
[20:28] <Johan-_> but it's still a alpha so...
[20:28] <zcat[1]> If it's not, I may consider debian this time :-)
[20:28] <Johan-_> you cant except it to work right now
[20:29] <Johan-_> 8.04 is going to me LTS so it will be stable
[20:29] <zcat[1]> gutys is pretty sweet now... if hardy works as well I'll be very happy
[20:29] <zcat[1]> just wondering if the developers can clean it up enough in a month!
[20:30] <budmang> I have a toshiba laptop ith intel gma graphics I need my extended desktop to work, any direction? if I change anything in the screens/graphics, a reboot goes to failed X.
[20:31] <K4k-laptop> I found a fix to the network bug I was having
[20:31] <EdwardXp3> can someone teach me how to install a kernel?
[20:31] <K4k-laptop> I'm not sure yet what caused it though
[20:31] <K4k-laptop> EdwardXp3, why do you need a custom kernel?
[20:31] <EdwardXp3> so i can stay uptodate with the latest trends, get my feel :)
[20:32] <K4k-laptop> haha
[20:32] <K4k-laptop> ok, well there are plenty of tutorials online
[20:32] <EdwardXp3> i wanna be like you tried 14???  thats' years old, i've been on 22
[20:32] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: sudo apt-get install linux-image-whatever
[20:32] <fromport> edwardxp3: google is your friend ;-)
[20:32] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: ubuntu updates the kernel for you
[20:33] <Johan-_> if needed
[20:33] <EdwardXp3> i was on google i want to learn how to do it manual
[20:33] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: ummmm... gentoo is your friend :)
[20:33] <EdwardXp3> i tried looking online for the site, i lost it and now im confused on what to follow
[20:34] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: I'd start with sudo aptitude install build-essential and a kernel source package .. have it build the binary as a package and things won't break as bad the next time you upgrade the system
[20:35] <EdwardXp3> linux-<IP_ADDRESS>  <-- isn't this 44 MB kernel the new thing though?
[20:37] <zcat[1]> you won't generally see any changes in the kernel that directly affect userspace anyhow
[20:37] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: why would you want to compile yourself?
[20:37] <slipttees> see ya
[20:37] <EdwardXp3> i have to be universal
[20:37] <EdwardXp3> i have to be able to jump on anycomputer and do it myselfd
[20:37] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: back in the days you could get more speed if you compiled it yourself, now you will only have troble
[20:38] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: the vanilla kernel will run better then anything you compile for yourself
[20:38] <EdwardXp3> really?
[20:38] <Johan-_> unless you're really good and have a really old computer
[20:38] <EdwardXp3> lol
[20:38] <Johan-_> the vanilla has everything, more or less
[20:38] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: well; first you need build tools. Then you untar kernel source. Then as root you type ./configure ; make ; make install and wait. Then you reboot and nothing seems the slightest bit different...
[20:38] <EdwardXp3> man times have changed
[20:38] <chdst> As zcat[1] said, Gentoo's more what you're looking for if you're looking to "Do it yourself"
[20:39] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: as I can remember you need to configure i a bit more than so :)
[20:39] <EdwardXp3> its' just i like having control over my hardware
[20:39] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: then go for gentoo
[20:39] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: slackware hasn't. even gentoo is userfriendly. ubuntu is designed for ppl who don't want to deal with this stuff; we don't even include gcc by default!
[20:39] <EdwardXp3> trying to find speakers' whats' best, and audio drivers' things like that
[20:40] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: I actually thing you had to compile your own kernel there a couple of years ago
[20:40] <cwillu> stay awake for another 8 hours, or go to bed and wake up in 2 hours
[20:40] <cwillu> decisions decisions
[20:40] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: in ubuntu 99% of the time you plug something in and it works. the other 1% it's probably not supported well in any distro.
[20:40] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but sure I can see why you want to learn
[20:41] <cwillu> bah, not #ubuntu-offtopic, sorry
[20:41] <EdwardXp3> i've always been new to linux and i never really had time to figure out how; and now im on here
[20:41] <Johan-_> cwillu: stay up, the beta should be here :D
[20:41] <cwillu> really?
[20:41] <cwillu> that settles it :p
[20:41] <EdwardXp3> bam! things are crazy easy but i still lack the terminology
[20:41] <Johan-_> cwillu: or not
[20:41] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: you won't learn anything through compiling a kernel
[20:41] <cwillu> is it scheduled for today?
[20:41] <Johan-_> cwillu: they've update the site atleast
[20:42] <cwillu> zcat[1], that's an interesting view
[20:42] <EdwardXp3> i'll just default install what i have... how can i upgrade the kernel?
[20:42] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but if you actually wants to learn linux from scratch try gentoo
[20:42] <EdwardXp3> alright
[20:42] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: ctrl-alt-F1, log in, start digging through /etc/ and see if you can do things like reconfigure your network, install and configure a webserver. You'll leran more that way
[20:42] <Johan-_> cwillu: scheduled for 20 march
[20:43] <Johan-_> cwillu: there's a link to the download but it's dead
[20:43] <EdwardXp3> and start x to come back here?
[20:43] <EdwardXp3> i wonder if that would work
[20:43] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but if you do try to change stuff don't expect it to work
[20:43] <zcat[1]> gentoo doesn't really teach you much more... if you want to learn, try slackware or lfs
[20:43] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: expect the entire computer to burst into flames :D
[20:44] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: gentoo rocks!
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> i just bought this computer
[20:44] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: all you got was your tarball
[20:44] <zcat[1]> EdwardXp3: install slackware, if you can even find your way back here after that I'll be impressed
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> lol 500gb sata, 5600+ amd 64
[20:44] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: you had to compile everything from scratch
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> 2gb ram
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> hehe
[20:44] <EdwardXp3> okay
[20:45] <EdwardXp3> arggg i want to learn hwo to install a kernel though first
[20:45] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: if you have a new computer vanilla is the best choice, I would say
[20:45] <chdst> If you want a free (beer/speech) OS that's easy to use where you don't have to worry about much of anything, while still giving you the best chance of hardware compatibility, Ubuntu is the place to be, in my opinion.
[20:45] <EdwardXp3> i heard great things about slackware, and gentoo actually
[20:45] <chdst> EdwardXp3: apt-get install linux-image-2.6... :P
[20:45] <zcat[1]> Johan-_: I started with SoftLanding .. 30 floppy disks. I wasn't quite up to building a linux filesystem from within minix
[20:46] <Johan-_> :)
[20:46] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: I started in crux, many many years ago
[20:46] <chdst> EdwardXp3: Slackware is the sparse desert wasteland of Linux distros. Bring your survival gear.  Is the beta going to be release today?
[20:48] <Johan-_> InadeArg: its scheduled for today
[20:48] <zcat[1]> InadeArg: I heard tomorrow. Guess it depends what timezone you're in
[20:48] <cwillu> zcat[1], define broken
[20:48] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: http://beginlinux.com/index.php/desktop_training/ubuntu/ubfile_m/ub_compile
[20:48] <Johan-_> this seemed to be a good tutorial
[20:48] <InadeArg> Johan-_: Thanks
[20:48] <Jordan_U> !kernel
[20:49] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[20:49] <zcat[1]> cwillu: booted up. One screen worked, the one with the login window was black. it came on when I did alt-F1 so not unplugged....
[20:49] <Johan-_> zcat[1]: it's still a alpha. It's supposed to be broken
[20:49] <cwillu> zcat[1], what video card?
[20:49] <zcat[1]> cwillu: and screenlets don't start consistently.. although they don't in gutsy either.. I had to hack a script for that
[20:49] <Johan-_> ah, I keep on forgeting the ! commands
[20:49] <zcat[1]> cwillu: Ummmm... a nvonfree one with binary drivers..
[20:50] <cwillu> zcat[1], parse error, sorry?
[20:50] <chdst> zcat[1]: My experience with screenlets has always been one of hacking and fiddling, Ubuntu or no ubuntu.
[20:50] <zcat[1]> I like my compiz... must have binary drivers !!
[20:50] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: but you should read _alot_ of info about what does what before compiling
[20:50] <cwillu> (haven't played with screenlets at all yet, seemed pretty raw, and I'm opposed to the concept to begin with :p)
[20:50] <chdst> I could just be unlucky though.
[20:50] <Johan-_> EdwardXp3: you need to know exactly what you need for your system to work
[20:50] <cwillu> zcat[1], but, what video card?
[20:51] <cwillu> ati nonfree is a different ballgame from nvidia
[20:51] <EdwardXp3> i remember being in there menuconfig sounds soo familiar
[20:51] <chdst> cwillu: Not in hardy (for me, at least)!
[20:51] <EdwardXp3> thats' what i wanted to know
[20:51] <zcat[1]> nvidia 8500gt
[20:51] <cwillu> chdst, ?
[20:51] <EdwardXp3> usr/src/ :)
[20:51] <cwillu> zcat[1], fresh install?  nothing further for configuration yet?
[20:52] <Johan-_> could be fun... to compile again
[20:52] <cwillu> (i.e., no manual driver install?)
[20:52] <Lynoure> Johan-_: nothing stopping you, if you really want to
[20:52] <Johan-_> se how much smaller you can get it
[20:52] <chdst> cwillu: Setting up the ati nonfree drivers was as easy for me as the nonfree nvidia drivers in hardy...very much the same ballgame in my experience. :)
[20:52] <Johan-_> Lynoure: no i know :)
[20:52] <zcat[1]> I'll grab the beta today and start submitting bugfixes .. lots of config cwillu and no updates, if I updated I'd probably see some of this stuff fixed already :)
[20:53] <cwillu> chdst, different manufacturers, different ideas of what constitutes driver support, and it working for you is much like hardy working for somebody a couple weeks ago:  doesn't mean other people don't have big problems :)
[20:53] <cwillu> zcat[1], I mean, first boot of a fresh install gave you a black logon screen?
[20:54] <zcat[1]> Probably do a presentation at the end of the week 'what's coming in hardy' for our lug ... I like the new features, I just hope you guys deal with the new bugs before release  ...
[20:54] <chdst> cwillu: Some background...I've been running compiz since dapper on ATI hardware. I definitely know what you mean. It's so much better than it was, though.
[20:54] <zcat[1]> cwillu: third boot.. it was fine the first two.. random bug?
[20:54] <cwillu> chdst, yes, but the trick is to forget how bad it used to be so that you can accurately see how bad it is now :p
[20:54] <xnox> Is OOo 2.4 gonna make it into hardy final?
[20:54] <chdst> cwillu: Too many scars to do that ^^
[20:55] <cwillu> zcat[1], the xorg.log file is probably still around if you haven't rebooted a bunch of times since then
[20:55] <zcat[1]> compiz was crap when it first came out.. now I can play games and video with compiz running and everything works how it's supposed to
[20:55] <cwillu> pastebin'ing it would be useful
[20:55] <b47619> is the beta released yet?
[20:55] <albinou> hy
[20:55] <cwillu> not yet
[20:55] <chdst> cwillu: That's not entirely true...I also have an SLI'd nvidia setup at home that _just keeps working_.
[20:56] <Jaymac> i read an announcement on planet yesterday but it wouldn't seem so
[20:56] <xnox> Well wiki does already list it :P
[20:56] <zcat[1]> cwillu: probably not .. I'll reinstall with the beta when I get it and if it happens again I'll file a bug
[20:56] <cwillu> chdst, what's not entirely true?
[20:56] <chdst> It servers as an excellent reminder
[20:56] <b47619> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta  it has a list but they download links go to 404s
[20:56] <Jaymac> yeah i saw that too, but the releases.ubuntu.com is still a hardy free zone
[20:56] <chdst> cwillu: What I said about not being able to still see how bad it is now...the nvidia experience reminds me every time I leave work. Sorry to be so disjointed.
[20:57] <cwillu> heh
[20:57] <b47619> maybe it is on a mirror...
[20:57] <chdst> Long day :)
[20:57] <cwillu> was hoping I wasn't missing stuff and making an ass of myself ;p
[20:57] <zcat[1]> I love nvidia .. never had a problem with any of them
[20:57] <Jaymac> b47619, I doubt it - look at the topic
[20:57] <zcat[1]> they handle compiz better than anything else
[20:57] <chdst> It's very likely my fault, I'm also straying pretty far into the offtopic area :)
[20:57] <Lynoure> to me, one non-free driver is about as sad as another.
[20:58] <cwillu> I'm a recent convert; I still have a few dozen pci radeons that I'm in love with though
[20:58] <zcat[1]> find me a good video card that has free drivers. perhaps I need to try some of the later intel cards? I dunno..
[20:58] <cwillu> Lynoure, that's why I still use the radeon's :p
[20:58] <ogre> hey is update-manager -d to upgrade right?
[20:58] <cwillu> -c -d
[20:59] <zcat[1]> ati are free now?
[20:59] <Lynoure> cwillu: same here... I'll sure rejoice if nvidia ever turn their boat, but unlikely to happen
[20:59]  * chdst quietly prays for AIGLX support in RadeonHD for his chipset...
[20:59] <cwillu> no, but radeon (open driver) works fine for older cards
[20:59] <Lynoure> zcat[1]: no, but they have commitment to specs
[20:59] <zcat[1]> next best thing... cool
[20:59] <cwillu> zcat[1], I do multiseat machines, and the radeons are one of the few cards that I've found both cheap and reliable when you put 4 in the same machine
[20:59] <Jaymac> what version of the nvidia drivers are in hardy? getting bored of black screen bug
[21:00] <cwillu> 169.12 if that means anything
[21:01] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx-new
[21:01] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx
[21:01] <cwillu> ubotu, ?
[21:01] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15228 kB
[21:01] <ubotu> nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 (hardy), package size 3761 kB, installed size 11992 kB
[21:01] <chdst> teh lagz!
[21:01] <cwillu> indeed
[21:01] <zcat[1]> !botsnack
[21:01] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:01] <zcat[1]> no lag for me
[21:01] <cwillu> moo
[21:02] <chdst> No lag on that one, had a 12 second pause on the nvidia package info
[21:02] <Jaymac> cwillu, thanks
[21:02] <zcat[1]> yeah ... bot asleep?
[21:02] <Gnine> compiz is b0rked on my machine
[21:02] <Gnine> metacity was the saving grace
[21:02] <Johan-_> what timezone do the ubuntu devs use?
[21:03] <PsySine> do you think the beta will be out today?
[21:03]  * cwillu is tempted to say next week at the earliest
[21:03] <Lynoure> PsySine: which today?
[21:03] <Gnine> !pony | PsySine
[21:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pony - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:04] <EdwardXp3> im in the Y/N/M ?  when trying to configure the system,
[21:04] <cwillu> seriously, anybody who knows is busy working on it, probably not spending time here :p
[21:04] <EdwardXp3> whats' the m for?
[21:04] <zcat[1]> !timezone
[21:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timezone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:04] <xnox> I just hope it will have OO.o RC5 or RC6
[21:04] <Jaymac> !info network-manager
[21:04] <ubotu> network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.6-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 151 kB, installed size 572 kB
[21:04] <ant30> beta isn't out now ?
[21:04] <PsySine> Lynoure: march 20 :)
[21:04] <zcat[1]> !info openoffice.org
[21:04] <ubotu> openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 44 kB
[21:04] <Gnine> !tz
[21:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:04] <ant30> guau, ubotu have a apt inteface ?
[21:04] <chdst> I've been hyping the whole office on 3/20 for the beta, there's a chance I'll get lynched tomorrow if it doesn't appear. :D
[21:05] <Lynoure> PsySine: I'd say unlikely, it being almost gone, less than one hour left. :)
[21:05] <ant30> !info gazpacho
[21:05] <ubotu> gazpacho (source: gazpacho): GTK+ User Interface Designer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (hardy), package size 506 kB, installed size 2040 kB
[21:05] <jeroen-> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy (via internet) I can't start mysql anymore - it gives only a [fail] - how to have a verbose output?
[21:05] <ant30> :)
[21:05] <Gnine> run it from terminal, jeroen-
[21:05] <chdst> Erm...there's formally 3 hours left, iff'n I can do math right (there is some question).
[21:05] <PsySine> Lynoure: depends on your timezone ^^
[21:06] <chdst> UTC, that is
[21:06] <zcat[1]> so beta is only hours away? or days?
[21:06] <jester7> left until what?  beta release?
[21:06] <jester7> oh
[21:07] <xnox> I do wanna try beta, cause I didn't manage it with alphas but i think I'll be alright =D
[21:07] <Lynoure> PsySine: Yes, that's why the answer. :) No idea where you are.
[21:07] <cwillu> if they said today, it'll probably be today (judging from the slow down in updates, I'd agree)
[21:07] <chdst> zcat[1]: I'd say hours based on experience...Ubuntu's ability to make deadlines is astonishing, in my opinion.
[21:07] <chdst> Canonical's, I suppose
[21:07] <jeroen-> Gnine: I do
[21:08] <zcat[1]> yeah .. dapper was only two months overdue :)
[21:08] <jeroen-> I do a sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[21:08] <xnox> chdst: same difference canonical or ubuntu
[21:08] <jester7> i was told that the beta is just a snapshot of the repos, so if you were to install alpha 6 and install all of the updates....that's the beta
[21:08] <cwillu> chdst, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you have a willingness to slip features (I mean that in a good way)
[21:09] <cwillu> jester7, yep
[21:09] <chdst> xnox: True, but Canonical is the proper name
[21:09] <cwillu> although alpha weirdness may not be completely expunged
[21:09] <cwillu> zcat[1], dapper was scheduled for that at the beginning of the cycle though
[21:09] <chdst> jester7: Both debian and ubuntu's named released are always exactly that...a snapshot of the state of the repository at a specific point in time.
[21:10] <chdst> Exception are made, of course, for security fixes and the like.
[21:10] <xnox> chdst: I guess but it's like Mark said. We had all Canonical's employees in one room for a couple of hours only once. That's google tech talk he gave. So really it's the whole ubuntu community that maters
[21:10] <cwillu> chdst, that's a bit over simplified, as they do distinguish between named repositories
[21:10] <jester7> cwillu: so what "weirdness" could be left behind?
[21:11] <cwillu> jester7, well, extreme example, libc6 won't fix itself unless you do it by hand :p
[21:11] <xnox> cwillu: lol =D
[21:11] <Johan-_> cwillu: but if you have a working install and then update you should endup with the beta :)
[21:11] <cwillu> depending on what updates you installed, and which bugs they had;  I'm uptodate on packages, but I've got a wxpython build error for about a week now
[21:11] <cwillu> Johan-_, that's the idea
[21:12] <jester7> really?  because on my test box i put alpha 6 on, updated before the lib6 issue, then waited intuil it was resolved before updating again.  i didn't have any problems
[21:12] <cwillu> the 'partial upgrade' thingy you see occasionally is basically fixing up known weirdness
[21:12] <cwillu> jester7, exactly, you didn't update to a version with an issue
[21:13] <jester7> so that's my point, if you were to install alpha 6, then install ALL updates, it should be exactly like the beta, right?
[21:13] <chdst> cwillu: I did simplify it a little bit, I didn't mean to leave such ambiguity in my use of the word releases...I really did mean a formal release, with regard to all of the freezes the are required to make any one of them work.
[21:13] <xnox> I did gksudo gnome-system-monitor and find out that I'm running quite a bit of K stuff on my ubuntu. But I'm not running any k applications as far as I know. How come?
[21:13] <chdst> But, again, my communication skills are sub-par right now, as I wind down from a work day. :)
[21:13] <cwillu> jester7, that's the ideal, and it'll probably be nearly indistinguishable
[21:13] <jester7> ok
[21:14] <cwillu> xnox, those a kernel processes
[21:14] <cwillu> a=are
[21:14] <cwillu> kswapd, ksnapd, ksuspend-usbd, etc?
[21:14] <xnox> cwillu: ok, I got scared how did that thing got there.
[21:14] <xnox> cwillu: aha
[21:15] <cwillu> aka, don't go killing them :p
[21:15] <cwillu> although I don't think you can anyway
[21:15] <xnox> cwillu: I decided to ask here first
[21:15] <chdst> xnox: Good call. :)
[21:15] <xnox> shall I try?
[21:15] <zcat[1]> I bet you can.. doing anything after that might be a problem
[21:15] <xnox> damnit
[21:15] <jester7> what's the worst that can happen :P
[21:16] <cwillu> jester7, well, killing kswapd would stop most any writes to the drive
[21:16]  * Gnine had to kill kacpi_notify for 48% cpu load
[21:16] <chdst> xnox: A plain kill (pid) will likely not do anything. Sending an actualy KILL signal though...that's probably where the scary starts. :)
[21:16] <tsukasa> isnt the beta supposed to be released today? o.0
[21:16] <cwillu> this calls for a test
[21:16] <xnox> sound like fun =D
[21:16] <chdst> Though I must admit I'm ashamed that I've never actually tried to do this
[21:17] <xnox> tsukasa: so what? =D
[21:17]  * Gnine resorted to do acpi=off on grub
[21:18] <cwillu> kill -KILL 2 (kthread) didn't do anything
[21:18] <zcat[1]> should I kill kswapd and see what happens?
[21:18] <cwillu> I just tried
[21:18] <cwillu> didn't affect it
[21:18] <chdst> zcat[1]: I say go for it! :)
[21:19]  * chdst was too slow :(
[21:19] <zcat[1]> nothing
[21:19] <cwillu> zcat[1], same process id, etc
[21:19] <zcat[1]> dissappointed!
[21:19] <cwillu> I told ya :p
[21:19] <zcat[1]>   183 ?                S<     0:00 [kswapd0]
[21:19] <chdst> I'll just have to resort to a "while true kill some gettys"...
[21:19] <zcat[1]> tragic!
[21:19] <cwillu> lol
[21:19] <DanaG> kswapd is a kernel process.
[21:19] <DanaG> Killing it would be bad.
[21:20]  * cwillu looks at the scroll back
[21:20] <DanaG> Why are you trying to kill it?
[21:20] <xnox> DanaG: it seems that you can't kill it at all
[21:20]  * cwillu thought he heard an echo
[21:20] <chdst> DanaG: We know that...we were just trying to see 1.) If we could kill it and 2.)  I need to rough it up a bit
[21:20] <Gnine> not having swap is not that bad.. if you have enuff physical memory
[21:20] <cwillu> DanaG, somebody thought kde had gotten itself entangled in his gnome install
[21:21] <cwillu> Gnine, kswap isn't just swap though
[21:21] <xnox> that was me =D
[21:21] <cwillu> Gnine, it's paging anything out to disk that was backed in memory
[21:21] <cwillu> any mmaps, writes that are buffered or cached, etc
[21:21] <zcat[1]> while true; do kill -9 $RANDOM ; done
[21:21] <DanaG> Don't you love naming collisions?
[21:21] <chdst> zcat[1]: Nice.
[21:21] <Gnine> good, i dont mess with obscure stuff like that .. unless necessary ..
[21:21] <zcat[1]> just like running 'doze
[21:22] <Amaranth> if it has [] around it you cannot kill it, try as hard as you wish
[21:22] <Amaranth> that is not a real process, it is a kernel thread
[21:22] <cwillu> ahem, oomkiller, ahem
[21:22] <ryanakca> jeroen-: try /var/log/mysql.log
[21:22] <zcat[1]>     1 ?        Ss     0:01 /sbin/init   --- no []'s! Sweet!
[21:23] <jeroen-> ryanakca: nothing in there
[21:23] <cwillu> Gnine, honestly, in most situations, running without swap is just silly
[21:23] <chdst> Alt+SysRq+i :)
[21:23] <chdst> (Don't do that)
[21:23] <ryanakca> jeroen-: /var/log/mysql.err
[21:24] <cwillu> any user mode task could cause the system to start killing random processes (although I think they've improved the oomhandlers logic a bit recently)
[21:24] <xnox> cwillu: I don't have swap, cause i have no disk space =D Gigs of photos
[21:24] <chdst> Actually...here's a fair question. Does Ubuntu catch those SysRq events?
[21:24] <cwillu> xnox, when you measure disk space in hundreds of gigs, why care about half a gig?
[21:24] <jeroen-> ryanakca: empty
[21:24] <chdst> I have never needed to use them in Ubuntu to find out.
[21:24] <zcat[1]> I have 2G ram here, and I don't think I've ever seen any of it get swapped
[21:24] <xnox> cwillu: not really hundreds I have only 310
[21:25] <poamj> Hi there. Does anybody know how i can configure the fonts for kde applications on ubuntu (I am using gnome). I've downloaded qt3-config and qt4-config and configured the font size and style in both, however i can't see the results on applications like Kile and Ktorrent.
[21:25] <zcat[1]> Swap:      4803392          0    4803392
[21:25] <Gnine> i didnt say anything about not having swap being a good choice..
[21:25] <zcat[1]> see! 0!
[21:25] <ryanakca> jeroen-: I don't know, sorry, but ask in here :)
[21:25] <cwillu> it gives you a clue that something is going wrong before it causes a problem, and lets you optimize for situations where you can use the physical memory for more important things (although swap-prefetch was a wonderful thing that sadly will never see the light again)
[21:26] <cwillu> xnox, if you're to the point where you need one more gig on 300gb, then you're not buying yourself any real time
[21:26]  * xnox dreams about installing Ubuntu on ZFS
[21:26] <cwillu> Gnine, I know, just a pet peeze
[21:26] <cwillu> ve
[21:26] <jeroen-> ryanakca: I did
[21:26] <xnox> cwillu: I guess I'm trying to sort it out........
[21:26] <cwillu> zcat[1], what's uptime?
[21:27] <zcat[1]> not much, Just booted back from hardy
[21:27] <cwillu> rest my case
[21:27] <cwillu> or rather, dismiss yours :p
[21:27] <richard__> BETA FEVER :D
[21:28] <cwillu> ff3b4 is certainly helping with my vm usage though, amazing improvement
[21:28] <cwillu> it's been 260mb resident and 385 vm for days now
[21:28] <cwillu> where I used to routinely sit at 750mb resident
[21:28] <zcat[1]> even when it's been up a few days I don't think I touch swap though
[21:28] <juank_prada> hello guys?.... when is beta being released?
[21:28] <Gnine> FF is very responsive on metacity
[21:29] <cwillu> juank_prada, sometime in 2008
[21:29] <juank_prada> o_O
[21:29] <KalEl> is it better than compiz on metacity?
[21:29] <cwillu> Gnine, I'm honestly tickled
[21:29] <juank_prada> i was expecting a more specific date
[21:29] <cwillu> juank_prada, probably today
[21:29] <cwillu> juank_prada, confidence or specificness, pick one :p
[21:29] <juank_prada> lol
[21:30] <juank_prada> maybe a mixture of both?
[21:30] <KalEl> how'bout with 95% confidence it is today?
[21:30] <cwillu> juank_prada, 'probably' is a mixture :p
[21:30] <KalEl> bewarned that's my confidence level though
[21:31]  * xnox counting down 2.5 hours
[21:31] <juank_prada> yeah.. that answer was enough for me
[21:31] <_ajw_> has anyone else experienced nautilus crashing recently -- it is very unstable for me at the moment
[21:31] <st33med> Hello. I wondering if I could Upgrade to Hardy Heron (when it is released) via CLI.
[21:31] <Gnine> compiz kills my window borders and terminal goes white. oldschool bug if you ask me...
[21:32] <juank_prada> another question.. is it being released with network manager 0.6.5 or 0.7?
[21:32] <cwillu> _ajw_, have you restarted nautilus?  I don't think the updates will do that
[21:32] <xnox> st33med yes you can see LTS upgrade wiki page
[21:32] <cwillu> !info network-manager
[21:32] <ubotu> network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.6-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 151 kB, installed size 572 kB
[21:32] <chdst> xnox: Pardon the lag on this, but Look at BtrFS. It's like ZFS, but without evil licensing and much more likely to show up in Ubuntu as a result.
[21:32] <Gnine> thats on i386 too.. 64bit version didnt give me that (fresh install)
[21:32] <_ajw_> it has crashed maybe 10 times today... and has been restarted every time
[21:32] <juank_prada> oh good thank you :)
[21:32] <_ajw_> is there something more i should do a
[21:32] <DanaG> poamj: if you want to configure kde stuff, you can use kcontrol (a package)
[21:33] <cwillu> _ajw_, what type of folders do you have open?
[21:33] <st33med> xnox, can you point me to it?
[21:33] <_ajw_> only /home/username
[21:33] <cwillu> _ajw_, only problems I've had is running it against sftp hosts where I already have an ssh session open, and control-session enabled
[21:33] <xnox> st33med: one sec
[21:33] <b47619> has anyone else had an issue where they can only start ubuntu 8.04 in a failsafe gnome session?
[21:34] <_ajw_> cwillu: i haven't been doing anything fancy -- just trying to go one level down in my folders
[21:34] <jeroen-> etc/init.d/mysql start: debug said:
[21:34] <jeroen-> connect to server at '\''localhost'\'' failed
[21:34] <jeroen-> error: '\''Can'\''t connect to local MySQL server through socket '\''/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[21:34]  * cwillu points to b47619 as an example of weirdness that may not just go away with an upgrade (not sure who I was talking to before about that)
[21:34] <cwillu> _ajw_, try running it in a terminal, see if anything interesting shows up there
[21:34] <cwillu> (killall nautilus; nautilus)
[21:35] <poamj> DanaG, thanks for the hint. I'll download it right now
[21:35] <b47619> the issue has been present since an earlier alpha...
[21:35] <b47619> how do I report a bug?
[21:35] <_ajw_> cwillu: will do
[21:35] <cwillu> b47619, try a new user, probably just config corrupted;  what kind of errors do you get in the normal gnoem session?
[21:36] <b47619> I get no errors the xserver just seems to restart
[21:36] <cwillu> dumps you back at the logon window
[21:36] <cwillu> ?
[21:36] <b47619> yes
[21:37] <cwillu> I _think_ this is the log file, can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors
[21:37] <_ajw_> cwillu: nothing shows up and the problem is repeatable...is there a way I can get more detailed info to help me fix the problem?
[21:37] <hydrogen> .xsession-errors is probably gigantic
[21:37] <hydrogen> you might want to trim it
[21:37] <martalli> I upgraded from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04...now I have the 2.24 kernel, but when I boot into it, I get tons of errors...something like ata errors, and it never boots, even to a cli.  However, I can strangely still boot into the 2.22 kernel, even with the gui
[21:38] <martalli> Is this happening to everyone else?
[21:38] <cwillu> hydrogen, b47619 could just delete it, log in, and paste that
[21:38] <b47619> can i just send the log file?
[21:38] <cwillu> !pastebin | b47619
[21:38] <ubotu> b47619: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:38] <b47619> i am using a failsafe session right now
[21:38] <martalli> I used the "update-namager -d" command
[21:38] <_ajw_> cwillu: I can acess the files/folders fine from the command-line
[21:39] <poamj> DanaG, it worked! thanks!
[21:39] <martalli> Is there a way to email a pastebin file or upload through ftp?  That might work for b47619
[21:39] <_ajw_> cwillu: after stalling for a while it pops up a dialog box with `"foldername - File Browser" is not responding'
[21:40] <KalEl> martalli, which kernel version are you running? 2.6.24-12 is the latest i believe
[21:40] <b47619> what is the command to view a log again?
[21:40] <cwillu> _ajw_, what do you have mounted?
[21:40] <YgorAbreu_ESP_BR> Hello Guys..so Hardy isnt a beta yet ? or am i wrong?
[21:40] <cwillu> I have a hunch that it's looking at a mount that went away without the kernel knowing about it
[21:41] <KalEl> YgorAbreu_ESP_BR, it is scheduled sometime around today/tomorrow
[21:41] <cwillu> b47619, move ~/.xsession-errors to a different name, log into the normal session, let it crash, log back in failsafe, and copy ~/.xsession-errors (will have been recreated) to a pastebin
[21:41] <martalli> My unae -s output is: Linux jose-charley 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux, but checking my grub menu, the other kernels are 2.6.24-12-386 and 2.6.24-12-generic
[21:42] <_ajw_> cwillu: output of mount --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60343/
[21:42] <martalli> KalEl: I should say that was my uname output
[21:42] <YgorAbreu_ESP_BR> kalEl: hmm thanks superman! xD
[21:42] <b47619> suwhere is it located?
[21:42] <cwillu> _ajw_, can you unmount /media/MEDIA and /media/XP, restart nautilus (kill it, etc), and see if it still happens?
[21:43] <cwillu> just playing elimination right now
[21:43] <mphill> was the beta released today?
[21:43] <KalEl> martalli, hmm... mine still shows 2.6.24-12-generic in uname -a, probably the 2.6.24-14 is not stable yet
[21:43] <b47619> where is ~/.xsession-errors located?
[21:43] <xnox> mphill: not yet
[21:43] <cwillu> somebody want to set the motd to "beta not out yet, stop asking"? :p
[21:43] <cwillu> b47619, ~ means your home folder
[21:43] <_ajw_> cwillu: one of my disks (/media/XP) should be mounted with ntfs but mount reports it as mounted withfuseblk
[21:44] <cwillu> _ajw_, that's normal
[21:44] <b47619> oh thanks
[21:44] <cwillu> _ajw_, I just want to eliminate it as a source of confusion, mostly
[21:44] <b47619> oh yeah tilde=home folder I forgot
[21:44] <jeroen->  /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[21:44] <cwillu> _ajw_, have you relogged in the last couple weeks?
[21:44] <martalli> No, the one I am running right now is left over from 7.10 (kernel 2.6.22, not 2.6.24)
[21:44] <jeroen-> anyone?
[21:44] <KalEl> mphill, it's not out yet, i believe the topic will be changed once the beta is out
[21:44] <cwillu> jeroen-, sounds like it's not running
[21:45] <_ajw_> cwillu: what does relogged mean?
[21:45] <cwillu> logged out, and back in
[21:45] <_ajw_> ah yes
[21:45] <cwillu> _ajw_, might be an interaction with a dbus update or something along those lines
[21:45] <_ajw_> cwillu: this is a laptop
[21:45] <b47619> when i try to open the log I get permission denied
[21:45] <b47619> and su won't work
[21:45]  * cwillu hasn't shut his laptop (other than suspend) in a few weeks :p
[21:46] <cwillu> b47619, what does ls -l .xsession-errors say?
[21:46] <b47619> sudo works but give me command noit dound
[21:46] <_ajw_> cwillu: ;-)
[21:46] <cwillu> b47619, what command are you running with su or sudo?  (and don't use su)
[21:47] <jeroen-> cwillu: thats the problem, it can't start - that is a output of a /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
[21:47] <b47619> ~/.xsession-errors
[21:47] <_ajw_> cwillu: problem is still occuring... terminal reports "** (nautilus:14320): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported"
[21:47] <cwillu> b47619, it's a text file, not a command
[21:47] <b47619> oh
[21:47] <b47619> ok
[21:47] <cwillu> _ajw_, that should be fine, does the same on mine
[21:47] <b47619> perhaps that why...
[21:48] <cwillu> jeroen-, what does /etc/init.d/mysq<tab> give you?
[21:48] <cwillu> bah
[21:48] <cwillu> jeroen-, what does /etc/init.d/mysq<tab> restart give you?
[21:48] <lascado> alguém pode me ajduar?
[21:48] <amar-ze> when can we expect beta ?
[21:48] <cwillu> this year
[21:49] <cwillu> maybe today if you're lucky
[21:49] <KalEl> definitely
[21:49] <b47619> now hopw cn I open it...
[21:49] <_ajw_> cwillu: ...anyway I have to go now -- if it keeps reoccuring i'll be back here
[21:49] <_ajw_> cwillu: thanks for your time
[21:49] <b47619> I am not that good with linux yet
[21:49] <cwillu> b47619, in a terminal, tell me what ls -l .xsession-* says
[21:50] <Jaymac> b47619, if you are not good with linux yet then you should probably be in #ubuntu
[21:50] <jeroen-> cwillu: mysql          mysql-ndb      mysql-ndb-mgm
[21:50] <cwillu> mysql
[21:50] <jeroen-> yes
[21:50] <b47619> -rw-r--r-- 1 username username 2624 2008-03-20 07:12 .xsession-errors
[21:50] <cwillu> (wasn't dead sure what the command was)
[21:50] <b47619> username replace swith username
[21:51] <jeroen->  /etc/init.d/mysql restart gives [fail]
[21:51] <cwillu> b47619, mv .xsession-errors xsession-errors-old
[21:51] <b47619> -rw-r--r-- 1 username username 2624 2008-03-20 07:12 .xsession-errors is what it gives me
[21:51] <john__> What is a good app to try and recover files from a disk that was just formated? Some how all my disks got relabeled and now i lost my storage disk which now is my boot disk somehow
[21:51] <b47619> done
[21:51] <cwillu> b47619, don't worry about masking the username, if you're hackable, you were hackable regardless of your username (unless it's also your password, which would just be silly)
[21:52] <b47619> it took me to the prompt thing
[21:52] <cwillu> jeroen-, sec
[21:52] <cwillu> b47619, okay, now log out, log back in under the normal session, and then log back in again under the failsafe after it crashes
[21:52] <ubuntu2> how to install firefox-3.0b4.tar.bz2 ?
[21:52] <b47619> brb
[21:53] <cwillu> ubuntu2, you're running hardy?  don't.
[21:53] <cwillu> ubuntu2, afaik, the normal updates are running b4 already (even though they're not labelled as such)
[21:53] <Jaymac> !info firefox
[21:53] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 116 kB
[21:53] <cwillu> ah, it's even labelled now :)
[21:54] <Jaymac> :)
[21:54] <Gnine> i dont think ubotu is hardy savvy
[21:54] <Gnine> yet
[21:54] <b47619> ok now what?
[21:55] <cwillu> jeroen-, memory is failing me, I can't remember where the relevant debug info goes (/var/log/mysql.{log/err} is blank on mine)
[21:55] <cwillu> b47619, copy the text of that file to pastebin
[21:55] <cwillu> !pastebin
[21:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:55] <b47619> how dop i open the file?
[21:56] <b47619> how exactly do I open the file?
[21:56] <cwillu> b47619, gedit ~/.xsession-errors from a terminal will work
[21:56] <cwillu> b47619, you can also do it by opening your home folder, hitting ctrl+h to show hidden files, and double clicking it
[21:57] <cwillu> (b47619, idle curiosity, how did you find yourself running hardy while it was still in alpha)
[21:57] <jeroen-> I wait I think in messages, cause my.cnf gives: Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :)
[21:57] <cwillu> yay
[21:57] <cwillu> because logging everything into one giant file is an improvement
[21:57] <b47619> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60344/
[21:57] <cwillu> /var/log/syslog I guess\
[21:57] <cwillu> looking
[21:58] <jeroen-> no messages?
[21:58] <b47619> no messages here just follo wthe link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60344/
[21:58] <cwillu> jeroen-, no, I meant b47619;  pastebin your syslog if you want though
[21:58] <b47619> ok
[21:58] <cwillu> b47619, in the terminal, what happens if you run 'compiz'?
[21:58] <martalli> pastebinit is a client for posting to pastebin from cli (sudo apt-get install pastebinit)
[21:59] <martalli> just thought I would pass it along as I was curious
[21:59] <jeroen-> cwillu: audit(1206028979.284:3): operation="inode_create" request_mask="w::" denied_mask="w::" name="/data2/.mysqldata/k-uptown.lower-test" pid=5826 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" namespace="default"
[21:59] <b47619> it started before compiz
[21:59] <cwillu> martalli, yep, and I look forward to the day when I can just assume it's installed :p
[21:59] <jeroen-> denied_mask?
[21:59] <b47619> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[21:59] <jeroen->  /data2/.mysqldata is my datadir
[21:59] <b47619> the screen momentarilt goes black
[21:59] <cwillu> jeroen-, when did it break?
[22:00] <cwillu> b47619, ls /etc/gnome/config show anything?
[22:00] <jeroen-> cwillu: it is in syslog
[22:01] <cwillu> jeroen-, when did it last work?
[22:01] <b47619> ls: cannot access /etc/gnome/config: No such file or direc
[22:02] <cwillu> b47619, how did you end up running hardy?
[22:02] <b47619> i wanted to.
[22:02] <b47619> oh how
[22:02]  * tsukasa_ wants beta
[22:02] <cwillu> b47619, you seem to have a fairly broken install
[22:02] <martalli> cwillu: When traipsing into alpha territory, it is always nice to have some cli tools around =)
[22:02] <martalli> and a hardline
[22:02] <b47619> i installed it on an almost 6gb partition
[22:02] <b47619> i have reinstalled it many times
[22:03] <b47619> it did the same with wubi
[22:03] <cwillu> b47619, I'm thinking it'd be best for you to do it again :p
[22:03] <b47619> and earlier alphas.
[22:03] <cwillu> b47619, any idea how /etc/gnome/config could have disappeared?
[22:03] <b47619> the live cd will not even load
[22:03] <b47619> maybe i typed it wrond let me find it manually
[22:03] <jeroen-> cwillu: I think this is the main error:  /usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/host.frm' (errno: 13)
[22:03] <cwillu> b47619, what about the memcheck tool on the live cd?
[22:03] <martalli> if the livecd won't load, maybe something is wrong with your cd (or drive)
[22:03] <b47619> i tried the cd verify and that was fine
[22:03] <cwillu> jeroen-, could you answer my question though?  it actually matters :p
[22:04] <cwillu> b47619, what about the memtest?
[22:04] <cwillu> b47619, there's also a known bug about livecd boots failing on some ide controllers, not sure if they have it fixed yet
[22:04] <b47619> i hav eno /etc/gnome/config
[22:04] <cwillu> jeroen-, I think you might be running afoul of apparmor (root folders are locked out)
[22:04] <cwillu> b47619, yes, but you should :)
[22:05] <KalEl> well, after the first few days of craze for compize wore off now i actually like metacity, among other things it also allows blender to run in windowed mode
[22:05] <b47619> i wonder why not...
[22:05] <cwillu> me too :)
[22:05] <EdwardXp3> cannot open root device "<null>"     --- kernel panic not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown  <--- i get these kernel errors i did make make install on the extracted contents of thekernel :0
[22:05] <cwillu> :/
[22:06] <jeroen-> cwillu: apparmor?
[22:06] <martalli> I am happy waiting for kde4...I have found compiz is more gee-whiz than useful (probably the same can be said for more of the kde4 stuff, too.)
[22:06] <b47619> i do wonder why i don't have /etc/gnome/config
[22:06] <b47619> I am using the graphical install
[22:07] <cwillu> jeroen-, kernel security module to prevent applications from doing things that they generally shouldn't, and might only do to take advantage of security vulnerabilities
[22:07] <b47619> in /ts/gnome all there is the defaults file
[22:07] <cwillu> jeroen-, root folders wouldn't be allowed by default, so if it worked previous to hardy, I'd blame it on that (updated profiles being more strict)
[22:08] <cwillu> jeroen-, can you pastebin the syslog file?
[22:08] <jeroen-> cwillu: yes
[22:09] <jeroen-> cwillu: where's the pastebin link
[22:09] <cwillu> !pastebin
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[22:09] <b47619> are there known bugs with a compaq presario sr1620nx?
[22:09] <b47619> !ubuntu
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[22:09] <b47619> i didn't know that worked...
[22:10] <bicchi> Is there a beta CD for hardy.
[22:10] <b47619> is there a !time command?
[22:10] <b47619> no beta yet...
[22:10] <b47619> whcih I need...
[22:10] <amar-ze> !beta
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:10] <cwillu> b47619, honestly, I don't think you're at the point where we can get good bug info out of your system
[22:10] <b47619> !alpha
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:10] <cwillu> !motd
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:11] <cwillu> """f you are here to ask questions such as: "What repositories do I use?" "Is Hardy going to break for me" or do not know how to deal with dependencies in apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY"""
[22:11] <b47619> 1bug
[22:11] <b47619> !bug
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[22:11] <jeroen-> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60346/
[22:11] <jeroen-> do we have SElinux now!?
[22:11] <b47619> sounds like no sql database?
[22:11] <cwillu> we've had apparmor for a while now
[22:12] <aetari1> SElinux is an annoyance
[22:12] <cwillu> SElinux has been implicated in the stopping of several bug exploits in the last few months
[22:12] <cwillu> security is an annoyance, but it's one I'm happy to deal with
[22:13] <cwillu> jeroen-, I'm not dead sure if this will work, but I _think_ you can try running sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop, and then restarting mysql
[22:13] <cwillu> jeroen-, it'd be best if /data2 could be moved to something under /var, /media/, etc
[22:13] <jeroen-> cwillu: yes that works
[22:13] <cwillu>  /opt, even
[22:13] <cwillu> jeroen-, okay
[22:13] <cwillu> DON'T LEAVE IT LIKE THAT ;p
[22:13] <jeroen-> cwillu: should that be the problem
[22:14] <jeroen-> no no
[22:14] <jeroen-> :-)
[22:15] <cwillu> you can drop a config file into /etc/apparmor.d/ (not /etc/apparmor/) to set up exceptions (usr.sbin.cupsd exists, for instance), but personally I'd just suggest moving the db
[22:15] <cwillu> creating new files and folders under / is a bad habit to get into)
[22:15] <jeroen-> cwillu: ok, I can move the database to /var/lib/mysql
[22:16] <jeroen-> but why shouldnt it expect a database in another location
[22:16] <cwillu> repeat after me: putting things in the standard locations is a good thing!
[22:16] <jeroen-> yes
[22:16] <jeroen-> but
[22:16] <cwillu> jeroen-, it's red flag to the kernel when it sees stuff being written to folders from apps it doesn't expect to see such things from
[22:17] <cwillu> jeroen-, if you needed to have it there (and you don't), you could look up apparmor, and figure out how to do it
[22:17] <jeroen-> cwillu: I normally do /home on a separate partition
[22:17] <cwillu> that's another matter though
[22:17] <jeroen-> to be able to reinstall linux from scratch
[22:17] <cwillu> jeroen-, what does that have to do with putting things in the root folder?
[22:17] <jeroen-> its from the old days :-)
[22:18] <cwillu> you can make /var/lib/mysql a mount
[22:18] <cwillu> even a rebind mount
[22:18] <jeroen-> cwillu: /data2 is also another partition, it was just to make sure the database was not overwritten
[22:18] <jeroen-> cwillu: thats an option
[22:18] <cwillu> it's a better option
[22:18] <jeroen-> yes I know
[22:18] <jeroen-> this setup is from years ago
[22:18] <jeroen-> one moment
[22:18] <cwillu> even /media/data2, with a rebind to mysql would work (or a symlink)
[22:19] <jeroen-> a soft link you advice or a hard link
[22:19] <cwillu> personally, I'd mount it to /media/disk2, and then symlink /var/lib/mysql/<db> to whereever you want in on disk2
[22:19] <cwillu> principle of least surprise
[22:20] <jeroen-> ok
[22:26] <jeroen-> cwillu: with a symlink won't work
[22:26] <jeroen-> I try with a copy
[22:27] <b47619> what are the possible causes of not having an /etc/gnome/config folder?
[22:27]  * xnox is my mobile JmIrc rules
[22:27] <cwillu> b47619, running an alpha version?
[22:27] <b47619> yes
[22:27] <b47619> oh that's why
[22:27] <cwillu> :p
[22:28] <b47619> is there a general chat channel here?
[22:28] <cwillu> b47619, honestly, I'd say wait until it goes final, and reinstall (or at least beta (later today), and still reinstall)
[22:28] <b47619> !generalchat
[22:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about generalchat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:28] <cwillu> #ubuntu is the general tech support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic is the general chat
[22:29] <jeroen-> cwillu: yes that works
[22:29] <jeroen-> so even a symlink will not work
[22:29] <jeroen-> grrrr
[22:29] <cwillu> does it fail the same way?
[22:29] <jeroen-> the symlink?
[22:30] <cwillu> yees
[22:30] <cwillu> yes
[22:30] <jeroen-> cwillu: kernel: [ 5779.692616] audit(1206051973.891:41): operation="inode_permission" request_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" name="/media/data2/.mysqldata/mysql/host.frm" pid=11064 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" namespace="default"
[22:30] <jeroen-> so the answer is ye
[22:30] <jeroen-> s
[22:31] <richard__> BETA FEVER! :D
[22:31] <m1r> :)
[22:32] <jeroen-> cwillu: oh well, I will keep it here
[22:33] <xnox> Maybe if we start chanting beta it will happen faster?
[22:33] <jeroen-> in the past I had also a few wikis over there, but thats now external, so the database is much smaller and /var is also another partition
[22:33] <jeroen-> anyone how, good thing to remember
[22:33] <jeroen-> for everyone! :-)
[22:34] <DanaG> β! β! β! ...
[22:34] <DanaG> heh.
[22:36] <jeroen-> ß
[22:36] <jeroen-> alt r s
[22:36] <jeroen-> alt gr s
[22:36] <DanaG> ßβßβßβ
[22:36] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[22:37] <DanaG> One is the SCIM thingy of "Latex"
[22:37] <jeroen-> I dont know
[22:37] <jeroen-> the first one is the ss
[22:37] <jeroen-> ringel-s
[22:37] <jeroen-> is that the name?
[22:37] <richard__> rigel 5?
[22:38] <DanaG> ô˛ô
[22:42]  * jepler upgrades and hopes there are no gotchas today
[22:43] <spiderfire> hello
[22:47]  * DanaG randomly lobs a ☄ at somebody.
[22:49] <spiderfire> ☄ = a rock?
[22:49] <DanaG> Comet.
[22:50] <DanaG> Run gucharmap and explore -- it's fun.
[22:50] <DanaG> ⌥⎇⌫ is ctrl-alt-backspace
[22:51] <tsukasa_> BETA!!!!
[22:51]  * tsukasa_ wants
[22:51] <EdwardXp3> can someone help me install a kernel image?
[22:53] <EdwardXp3> so far i extracted the folder' i did ln -s "linux
[22:54] <EdwardXp3> 'on the this one linux-<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:58] <DanaG> One-character word: ℻
[22:58] <Shadow_mil> Hey, there is a blind user, he is using a older version
[22:58] <Shadow_mil> but #ubuntu moves to fast for him to follow
[22:58] <J-_> I just had a weird freakin deal. my Y key kept on repeating, and the key wasn't even pressed
[22:59] <Shadow_mil> do you mind if he comes here and gets some help installing ubuntu
[22:59] <andre3> "Coming Soon" means soon today, or soon some day?
[22:59] <Shadow_mil> he does not know if his braille device is supported or not
[23:00] <DanaG> bug 194214
[23:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[23:14] <dholbert> beta is up at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/, for those who hadn't already seen
[23:15] <dholbert> er, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/   (no comma at end of URL :) )
[23:15] <richard__> SWEET BETA FEVER!!! :D
[23:18] <dholbert> Yup :)
[23:23] <axisys_> i see /usr/lib/firefox-plugins dir
[23:24] <axisys_> is that where ff 304b keeps plugins?
[23:24] <Muelli> uh. I think I just bricked my Ubuntu :( I just switched to hardy by a sed -i s/gutsy/hardy/g and now cryptsetup within initramfs doesn't find my /dev/sda3 to unlock it :( Any hints?
[23:25] <axisys_> Muelli: boot from a live cd and reverse it may be one option
[23:27] <dholbert> axisys_: I think that's where Ubuntu keeps its firefox plugins, yeah
[23:27] <Muelli> well axisys_. I can boot another kernel, and it works fine.  I tried with two cards that were working nice in gutsy...
[23:31] <axisys_> ulisse: the .12 kernel had that problem
[23:32] <axisys_> ulisse: i had same issue
[23:32] <axisys_> ulisse: they fixed it
[23:32] <ulisse> axisys_: is the fix already in the repos?
[23:32] <Muelli> axisys_: it doens't do anything (e.g. updating anything). In fact, I have hardy packages already. My problem is, that /scripts/local-top/cryptroot fails.
[23:35]  * ulisse tries another kernel...
[23:35] <axisys_> Muelli: did you follow the /topic url when upgraded to hardy beta?
[23:37] <Muelli> axisys_: probably not. I pinned hardy packages for a long time and I just switched them over. Like giving hardy 700 and gutsy 650. Just as I do since 5.04.
[23:38] <oxigen> ok , i have 32 & 64bit firefox on 64bit ubuntu, but java(s?) just dont wrok :/ what can i do, will be this install fixed before 'real' release of 8.04? :(
[23:39] <axisys_> oxigen: u will need 64 bit java lib
[23:39] <oxigen> mm!
[23:39] <oxigen> msut check if isn't there already
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> EdwardXp3: fakeroot is a Debian developer/maintainer utility to perform certain operations as if you were root without actually becoming the root user; make-kpkg is a utility to make a kernel package from pristine kernel sources; initrd is the "initial RAMdisk" used by the kernel as a temporary root filesystem while booting (so that driver modules and the like can be loaded); append-to-version is just telling the make-kpkg to append the string "-cus
[23:39] <Arand> Does anybody know how to make Brasero NOT ignore hidden files?
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> (as reported by uname -r).
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> My question would be: why are you encountering this gobbledy-gook when you don't understand any of it?
[23:41] <axisys_> oxigen: when you run file libjavaplugin_oji.so it needs to show 64-bit.. but you may already know that
[23:43] <oxigen> axisys_, no, i must admit that i'm a bit confused about all this java mumblejumble... how do i check if it is 32 or 64 bit libjavaplugin_oji.so?
[23:43] <m1r> wohoo PICI
[23:43] <oxigen> some say that is better to use 32 bit ff. some say 64, i dont know now..
[23:44] <oxigen> and wrappers!?
[23:44] <sleepy554> Could someone please pastebin their Hardy Sources.list?
[23:46] <Flannel> sleepy554: You don't need one, you can rebuild in software sources
[23:46] <oxigen> sleepy554: i'm on http://gd.tuwien.ac.at
[23:46] <twosouls82> whewhen I try to login I get "Cannot enter home directory. Using /"
[23:47] <twosouls82> -when
[23:47] <twosouls82> what does this mean?
[23:47] <axisys_> twosouls82: grep your username in /etc/passwd
[23:47] <axisys_> twosouls82: look for the home dir
[23:47] <oxigen> sleepy554: set it in system > administration > software sources
[23:48] <axisys_> twosouls82: then check if you have the dir available and owned by you
[23:48] <axisys_> twosouls82: it should have all been there .. i wonder if you removed it by mistake..ouch!
[23:48] <twosouls82> axisys_: those things were checked already
[23:48] <twosouls82> it is still there
[23:48] <twosouls82> no problems at all
[23:49] <twosouls82> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kdm/backend/client.c?r1=696289&r2=696290
[23:49] <twosouls82> might be that $HOME is unset?
[23:49] <sleepy554> its annoying when people read backlogs and somehow think theyre clever by abstractly telling you something about yourself
[23:49] <Flannel> twosouls82: Could be permissions
[23:49] <Muelli> my problem seems to be, that /sbin/udevsettle doesn't exist in my new initrds :(
[23:49] <Flannel> oh, er, nevermind.
[23:50] <axisys_> oxigen: cd to the dir where your actual java library is
[23:50] <axisys_> oxigen: and then use the file command against the lib
[23:50] <Flannel> twosouls82: so, $HOME is funky, or chdir isn' working.  Check the logs, those are more verbose.
[23:51] <twosouls82> Flennel, my VC's are black.. still thinking of a way to get to read them (the logs)
[23:51] <axisys_> oxigen: you will have better time using 32bit ff.. try ff 3.04beta
[23:51] <oxigen> axisys_ /usr/bin/java? or /usr/lib/java /usr/lib64/java /usr/share/java? :)
[23:51] <axisys_> oxigen: /usr/lib/j***
[23:51] <Arand> How can you set Brasero to include hidden files when burning??
[23:52] <Flannel> twosouls82: TTYs are black?  Intruiging.  This might just be a visible indication of larger problems then.  Try rebooting into recovery mode.
[23:54] <Arand> or is Brasero to stubborn for that?
[23:55] <flipstar> cool, the beta is out
[23:55] <zenlunatic> flipstar: says who?
[23:56] <flipstar> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/
[23:56] <jer132> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[23:56] <flipstar> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/
[23:59] <Jaymac> beta's now out?
[23:59] <flipstar> yep
[23:59] <oxigen> axisys_, hmm, so, should i amke symlink form /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/j***? namely there isn't one atm..
[23:59] <Jaymac> cool


[00:00] <pleia2> sending UWN off to summary writers
[00:00] <pleia2> have I said recently how awesome PaulW2U does with link collecting! awesome!
[00:44] <scott_ev> pleia2: maybe I can help more this week
[00:44] <scott_ev> or earlier
[10:05] <scott_ev> I hope the summaries I did tonight are satisfactory as-is.  I'll try to get more done tomorrow.
[10:24]  * PaulW2U thinks nice to see such progress so early on in the weekend for a change :)
[11:04] <scott_ev> PaulW2U: yeah, I didn't do anything until late sat night last week and I think that put things behind
[11:20] <PaulW2U> scott_ev: the problem is getting the balance right. do too much and others think they are not needed. do too little and you might end up doing it yourself anyway when others don't show up. we just need all those that offered to help to *actually* help
[12:25] <scott_ev> good points.  I may see what's left tonight
[13:25] <jose> pleia2: on the fridge cal it shows a Jono Bacon Q&A on wednesdays at 19 utc, every two weeks, but it's an old one. We now host it at ubuntuonair and it's in our calendar. should we remove it from the fridge or just change the link?


[20:33] <wxl> what's up gsilva ?
[21:01] <ahoneybun> hey wxl
[21:01] <wxl> hey ahoneybun
[21:02] <ahoneybun> can you look at something for me?
[21:02] <wxl> sure
[21:03] <ahoneybun> thanks
[21:03] <wxl> don't forget your bulletpoints on the documentation section ahoneybun :)
[21:03] <ahoneybun> its a slideshow about the current documentation setup for each project
[21:04] <ahoneybun> got those might now show well with google docs
[21:04] <wxl> ko
[21:06] <wxl> well i sure like the idea of using rtd
[21:06] <wxl> frankly i loathe all the different lightweight markup languages
[21:06] <wxl> we need to just pick one and go for it
[21:07] <ahoneybun> to me the language that rtd uses is much cleaner and easier for someone to get a hold of so they can contribute
[21:07] <wxl> largely it seems this has been already chosen by a lot of the internet: markdown
[21:07] <ahoneybun> I've been toying with the idea that all the projects use one service/host/language
[21:07] <wxl> luckily rtd supports markdown
[21:08] <wxl> the other side of the coin is that a lot of potential docs contributors are not technical users
[21:08] <ahoneybun> that way we do not do double work, help eachother, and make it easy for everyone to help out other projects
[21:08] <wxl> getting them to learn *ANY* markdown is a pain
[21:09] <wxl> s/markdown/lightweight markup language/
[21:09] <ahoneybun> reStructuredText is pretty easy
[21:09] <wxl> they are all easy
[21:09] <wxl> moin moin is easy
[21:09] <wxl> media wiki is easy
[21:09] <wxl> but easy isn't the problem
[21:09] <wxl> they all have a different take on what "easy" looks like
[21:09] <wxl> and so switching from one flavor to another just sucks
[21:10] <ahoneybun> even then like gsilva said we can just have people file bugs against the manual/docs and we fix the issue
[21:10] <wxl> oh now that's a fairly decent idea
[21:10] <ahoneybun> just having second eyes helps awhole lot
[21:10] <wxl> i think the other key to get people to contribute is a wysiwyg lightweight markup language editor
[21:11] <ahoneybun> wxl: I'm thinking of giving a talk about this at SELF (South East Linux Fest)
[21:11] <wxl> yes, great idea1!!!!
[21:11] <wxl> i am 100% in support of this
[21:11] <ahoneybun> lol
[21:12] <wxl> maybe it would be good to encourage a wysiwyg editor that can easily convert into whatever language you want
[21:12] <ahoneybun> like the 2nd slide shows that we are pretty much in 2 main places (Wiki Ubuntu or Launchpad)
[21:12] <ahoneybun> wysiwyg?
[21:12] <wxl> what you see is what you get
[21:12] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:12] <wxl> think google docs on the outside
[21:12] <ahoneybun> I've been using kate but that is the default in KDE
[21:12] <wxl> but you can save to whatever format you want
[21:13] <ahoneybun> oh not sure of a system that supports that many
[21:13] <wxl> there isn't as far as i know
[21:13] <wxl> but that's been the probelms i have perceived:
[21:13] <ahoneybun> mhall thinks this is a good talk idea as well
[21:13] <ahoneybun> *topic
[21:13] <ianorlin> yes that is a great idea
[21:14] <ahoneybun> thanks ianorlin
[21:14] <wxl>  * lightweight markup languages are a great alternative to something as heavy weight as word processor formats or even something as complex as latex
[21:14] <ianorlin> seriously I am more worried about lxqt documantion than code quality
[21:14] <wxl>  * lightweight markup languages resemble ways that we intuitively markup plain text for emphasis, etc.
[21:14] <ahoneybun> even I see LaTeX as complex and I know a little programming languages
[21:14] <ianorlin> also LaTeX for noobs isn't quite that easy I know
[21:14] <wxl>  * lightweight markup languages are all slightly different and incompatible
[21:14] <ianorlin> wxl pretty much
[21:15] <ahoneybun> wxl: ianorlin http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
[21:16] <wxl>  * those of us that are well versed in different languages won't struggle too much to switch between lightweight markup langauges but the same can't be expected of noobs
[21:16] <wxl>  * noobs need to be able to just "do it" quick
[21:16] <wxl> this is why i say an editor would be great
[21:16] <ianorlin> exactly I am still noob to both markdown and rst
[21:17] <ahoneybun> https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/2.1/phk/sphinx.html
[21:17] <ianorlin> hmm unfortanely juffed doesn't have thouse for syntax highilighting
[21:17] <wxl> also sphinx is FANTASTIC because it can basically pump out whatever you want including html, pdf, etc
[21:17] <ahoneybun> yess!
[21:17] <ahoneybun> that page is rst, and it is themed nicely
[21:17] <wxl> my only concern about sphinx is that it relies on rst which is canonical in the python world but not the world of the internets
[21:18] <wxl> let me find my blog about htis
[21:18] <wxl> http://polka.bike/blog/down-with-markup/
[21:18] <ahoneybun> wxl: ianorlin feel free to correct/ improve anything on my slideshow
[21:20] <wxl> ahoneybun: when you do this presentation, get it on video and i'll do a follow up blog entry on this
[21:21] <ahoneybun> I think I know someone who could film it
[21:21] <ahoneybun> if he is not busy doing something else at the con
[21:21] <wxl> the conference may film it too
[21:21] <ahoneybun> true
[21:22] <wxl> also this is totally up gsilva's alley
[21:22] <ianorlin> I think they do for southeast linuxfest
[21:22] <wxl> he NEEDS to see this
[21:22] <ianorlin> I have watched a ton of them
[21:22] <ahoneybun> I've been talking to him
[21:23] <ahoneybun> my dream is to use RTD and rst, upload to LP, let people file bugs, we fix them = users have PDF, HTML and eBook formats
[21:23] <wxl> seems reasonable
[21:23] <wxl> certainly moving from random wiki pages to having a cohesive manual is important
[21:23] <ahoneybun> and can easily host on their own docs.*buntu.org/net/com
[21:23] <wxl> i think that will only come through something like rtd
[21:24] <ahoneybun> the wiki is a mess with the login system, MoinMoin
[21:24] <wxl> ahoneybun: assuming canonical it can handle the hosting! our loco is still waiting…
[21:24] <ahoneybun> they host for free for Free Software
[21:24] <ahoneybun> wxl: they still have not replied to us about Kubuntu's new site
[21:24] <ahoneybun> so we are looking at other hosting options
[21:25] <wxl> ahoneybun: we got the ok and everything, but we're waiting for them to have time to do it, i guess
[21:25] <ahoneybun> the setup I'm thinking is a lot better then telling a user to go to this: page.org then this one though this one
[21:26] <ahoneybun> instead just bzr branch lp:*buntu-manual/docs
[21:26] <ahoneybun> or file a bug
[21:26] <ianorlin> actually I thnk the wiki is hard to navigate and that must mean it is only that much harder for a noob
[21:26] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:27] <ahoneybun> sometimes I have issues logining in
[21:27] <ahoneybun> *logging
[21:27] <ianorlin> or when you hit preview then click to see your link worked and it doesn't get saved
[21:28] <ahoneybun> oh man
[21:36] <ahoneybun> wxl: my slideshow now has 10 slides :)
[21:37] <ianorlin> this is an interesting talk tangentially related to other reasons to use lightweight markup langagues 14:35 < ubottu> plank (source: plank): Elegant, simple, clean dock. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-1 (vivid), package size 33 kB, installed size 319 kB
[21:37] <ianorlin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A96iWavwyOo
[21:37] <ianorlin> oops
[21:38] <ianorlin> should not have middle clicked there
[21:39] <ahoneybun> wxl: what are the Ubuntu docs written in?
[21:39] <wxl> you mean the manual?
[21:40] <ahoneybun> yea what ever is on LP
[21:41] <wxl> it's tex
[21:42]  * ahoneybun looks at ianorlin's link
[21:42] <ahoneybun> thanks wxl
[21:44] <wxl> here's help with autostarting, ModelEngine https://askubuntu.com/questions/81383/how-can-i-add-new-autostart-programs-in-lubuntu
[21:44] <ianorlin> wxl wrong channel
[21:44] <wxl> argh
[21:49] <ahoneybun> silly multi monitor
[23:32] <Nairwolf> hi,
[23:33] <Nairwolf> wxl are you here ?