[05:41] <bazhang> TiMiDo, hi
[07:37] <bazhang> may want to key an eye on Emanon ; going off on why Ubuntu is not securing against sopa etc. time for me to go to Chinese New Year dinner. back later.
[10:04] <Myrtti> can we just translate the !list into italian?
[11:23] <vibhav> Do I need to say anything about ATomicSpark?
[11:23] <vibhav> AtomicSpark*
[11:23] <vibhav> Please ask him to stop
[11:24] <Myrtti> which particular part?
[11:25] <Myrtti> and why didn't you tell him to stop yourself?
[11:26] <Myrtti> you can do it you know, if you find it offensive - I just misread India as Indonesia and by that mistake didn't see anything wrong, but of course India doesn't have as harsh sharia laws as some countries - like Iran
[11:33] <vibhav> Myrtti: 1st I thought that reporting this thing to ops might be better
[11:33] <vibhav> And 2nd , I am not offenced
[11:33] <Myrtti> I personally would prefer if you'd tell him off yourself, some people actually do take it seriously. In theory it shouldn't matter who tells them off
[11:34] <vibhav> Well , I have done this many times but he takes no heed
[11:34] <LjL> vibhav: well, he made a "humorous" statement which i found unfortunate, but, i don't think it really crosses the line
[11:35] <LjL> although atomicspark often does... not cross the line, while still being... uh :|
[11:35] <vibhav> Its non family friendly, and he often insults my country
[11:36] <vibhav> So , may I quit?
[11:36] <Myrtti> you were free to do so after reporting your issue
[11:37] <Myrtti> :-|
[11:37] <LjL> if i had a penny for every time someone on IRC "insulted italy"...
[11:38]  * Myrtti hangs her head in shame
[11:38] <Myrtti> LjL: will you ever forgive me?
[11:39] <LjL> Myrtti: what for
[11:39] <Myrtti> for insulting your country?
[11:39] <LjL> Myrtti: sure, i'll actually give you cement shoes as peace-making present
[11:40] <LjL> Myrtti: or do you prefer a ticket for a cruise on an italian ship?
[11:40] <Myrtti> thanks, I'll send you a parcel of tasteless, brown, gloopy, insulting dessert instead.
[11:41] <Myrtti> s/instead/as a peace offering/
[11:41] <LjL> talking muffins?
[11:41] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi
[11:42] <LjL> Its laxative properties were associated with purification and purging.
[11:43] <Myrtti> LjL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4122596.stm
[11:45] <LjL> :(
[14:11] <oCean> Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) bot?
[14:11] <Myrtti> possibly, but if it's quiet there's nothing really to be done
[14:12] <Myrtti> LjL: you do know why he is asking in -ot, right?
[14:12] <Myrtti> - just checking
[14:12] <LjL> Myrtti: because he got no reply in #ubuntu?
[14:12] <Myrtti> afaik because he's banned there.
[14:12] <oCean> wat if it's logging? I'm not sure but somehow I thought karmivore has something todo with karma (points?)
[14:12] <LjL> oh, that's different.
[14:13] <LjL> oCean: if not publicly logging, then i don't see the problem
[14:13] <LjL> Myrtti: i'd still tell him something more along the line of "if you're banned in #ubuntu you can't ask your support questions here instead"
[14:19] <LjL> AlanBell: can you give me your home address so i can knock at your door when i have an Ubuntu problem
[14:20] <AlanBell> sounds like a great plan
[14:24] <Myrtti> wb
[14:34] <LjL> what would Alt+Z do
[14:35] <bazhang> nothing here
[14:35] <bazhang> iamfast appears to have been klined though
[14:35] <LjL> yes
[14:36] <LjL> must have had something to do with niko cycling the channel ;)
[14:37] <bazhang> so if we get some more complaints about support in -ot then ask them to stop?
[14:38] <LjL> i'm just not comfortable with people banned from #ubuntu getting support there
[14:38] <LjL> (or crossposts)
[14:38] <bazhang> bkerensa just made a comment. perhaps one or two more?
[14:43] <oCean> I agree, support in -ot is just weird
[14:45] <LjL> the thing is, the most trivial of things appears to have to be decided in IRCC meetings rather than just done, because process
[14:45] <LjL> except one day someone out of the blue puts "no support" in the -ot topic, and it starts being law
[14:45] <LjL> i didn't like that
[14:46] <LjL> people were redirected to -ot often when they had non-Ubuntu, but still somewhat "support", questions, where do we draw the line?
[14:46] <bazhang> which is why I mentioned it here first
[14:46] <LjL> still, it *has* been longstanding tradition to deny support there to people who were banned in #ubuntu
[14:46] <LjL> i just can't be bothered to take action, but feel free
[14:46] <bazhang> since several people are willingly helping now, I thought I would mention it here first
[14:46]  * AlanBell has a look
[14:47] <bazhang> it seems to be a case by case thing imo
[14:47] <LjL> yes, i agree
[14:47] <LjL> mainly about banned people and crossposting, in my opinion
[14:49] <oCean> then what if banned in u, then asking in -server?
[14:50] <LjL> oCean: if it's a server-related question, i'd let it go. but if they're just being offtopic due to the ban, not.
[14:53] <oCean> Ok. So they're currently offtopic in -ot, and well on purpose since he states "don't want argue with them / really have not time to discuss with them"
[14:54] <LjL> as i said i agree in the case of a banned person, -ot shouldn't offer them support. i just disagree that talking support in -ot is strictly speaking "offtopic" for the channel.
[14:54] <oCean> If ubuntu support is not ot in -ot, then the channel would soon act as an overflow for #u, wouldn't it?
[14:55] <LjL> oCean: has this happened in the many years there hasn't been an explicit ban on support-talk?
[14:55] <LjL> i don't think it has
[14:55] <LjL> didn't notice it
[14:55] <LjL> sometimes someone asks support questions every once in a while
[14:55] <LjL> sometimes they get answered easily and swiftly
[14:55] <LjL> other times they'll get ignored
[14:56] <LjL> sometimes the person asking will insist a lot, and then you point out to them that they shouldn't do that, or *expect* support, and that #ubuntu is the proper place to ask anyway
[14:56] <LjL> but that hasn't happened often in the first place
[14:56] <oCean> true
[14:57] <LjL> i've sometimes asked the one-off "help" question (i won't even call it "support") in -ot that didn't fit in #ubuntu
[14:57] <LjL> i don't see what's wrong with that
[14:57] <bazhang> nothing
[14:58] <bazhang> a straight out ban of it seems overkill.
[14:58] <bazhang> but if it is over several hours, dominating the channel, is complained about by many, then it might be looked into. so far this does not reach that threshold imo
[15:00] <bazhang> then again  it *is* alabd, so whatever intervention there will be deemed by him as "unfair", etc.
[15:00] <oCean> Again, I agree, but they were in -ot to avoid having a discussion about the actual ban, that bothers me. They now know they don't have to evade in #u, because -ot can be as helpful
[15:01] <oCean> bazhang: you're being unfair!
[15:01] <oCean> :p
[15:01] <bazhang> oCean, true!
[15:02] <Myrtti> I humble think you are all unfair.
[15:02] <oCean> Myrtti: certainly not me!
[15:03] <LjL> this discussion *does* appear to be quite open-ended, with alabd just wanting a walkthrough for everything. and once again, if you want to tell him to stop on the grounds that he's banned in #ubuntu, i have no issue with that. i already mentioned that to him, though took no action.
[15:06]  * AlanBell would suggest talking about something else
[15:06] <AlanBell> generally chickens
[15:06] <LjL> yes i was indeed thinking filling the channel with other talk would help
[15:07] <LjL> i'm just not in the mood to come up with something myself atm :P
[15:08] <Myrtti> chickens in one channel and cake in other
[15:08] <Myrtti> works for me
[15:26] <bazhang> wunderbar
[15:26] <bazhang> "all the guides suck"
[15:26] <bazhang> and now complaining about asking for info to help him.
[15:26] <Myrtti> in pm?
[15:27] <bazhang> ryannathans in the channel. and the guide I linked was prominent linked in the earlier wifidocs ie !wifi I sent earlier
[15:27] <bazhang> err prominently
 No, I'm in the covert console   <--- any clue what that means?
 The ifconfig outputs nothing...   <-- that makes no sense
[15:52] <bazhang> there should be loopback at the very least
[16:02] <bazhang> finally
[16:24] <Myrtti> mcbaine1 is a bit of a mystery
[16:24] <bazhang> hack ubuntu's website? is that a joke?
[16:25] <Myrtti> well he just pasted even weirder stuff on #ubuntu-news
[16:26] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/813243/
[17:01] <LjL> AlanBell: do i LART Quantum_Ion now or wait for him to say some more nonsense?
[17:01] <AlanBell> lart away
[17:03] <bazhang> he's got a bit of a history LjL
[17:04] <LjL> wonderful
[17:09] <mneptok> @mark #ubuntu FreeNET profane /quit
[17:11] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu Quantum_Ion Smart mouth after I tell him that giving someone a link three times is not going to be useful
[17:40] <bazhang> oh wait, he was the one I gave the link to
[17:40] <bazhang> :|
 firerat: Get the latest daily build of Arch. http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/
[17:57] <bazhang> that hardly counts as Ubuntu support
[17:58] <LjL> meh let it go, theadmin is one of the better helpers we have, and he was asking for a distro with 3.2 and he just provided it
[17:58] <bazhang> he has a hard time with some simple commands as well.
[17:59] <bazhang> a tiny bit of research for wifi docs, for example ie dhclient
[17:59] <LjL> maybe, i haven't noticed that. but considering the general level of knowledgeability in #ubuntu, i'd still say theadmin is in the better half
[18:00] <topyli> LjL: linux 3.2? panics on debian when gdm launches gnome-session :(
[18:00] <bazhang> he's done it tons of times. not just that one
[18:02] <bazhang> Raymond_, hi
[18:02] <Raymond_> hi
[18:02] <Raymond_> bazhang, are you able to unban
[18:02] <bazhang> Raymond_, from where
[18:02] <Raymond_> bazhang, ubuntu
[18:03] <bazhang> Raymond_, why were you banned there, do you recall
[18:03] <Raymond_> bazhang,  i typed n00b and then nuub
[18:04] <LjL> and also gave me back !noob when i gave it to you
[18:04] <LjL> didn't seem constructive
[18:04] <LjL> why did you do that?
[18:04] <Raymond_> iwas messin around
[18:04] <Raymond_> srry
[18:04] <Raymond_> i wont do that again
[18:05] <LjL> Raymond_: ok. although the fact that you'd "mess around" in a 1500-people support channel doesn't make me very happy.
[18:05] <LjL> but i want you to read this first
[18:05] <LjL> !guidelines > Raymond_
[18:05] <LjL> !coc > Raymond_
[18:09] <Raymond_> ljl, did you want me to sign code of conduct
[18:10] <pangolin> you don't need to sign it if you don't want to but you do need to be aware of it and follow it while in ubuntu channels
[18:12] <LjL> Raymond_: no, that's not necessary, i just want you to follow it
 stahlie: how did you use wubi? if you installed inside windows i don't think it's possible
[18:21] <bazhang> does that even make sense?
[18:22] <bazhang> wubi is inside windows.
[18:22] <Raymond_> LjL, i will follow the guidelines
[18:24] <LjL> Raymond_: you can join #ubuntu again
[18:24] <Raymond_> LJL, thankyou
[18:24] <pangolin> Remember to /part this channel and have an awesome day.
[18:56] <bazhang> * [randomuser] (~pete@<IP_ADDRESS>): Pete Travis
[18:56] <bazhang> trouble at the mill
[18:56] <LjL> bazhang: ah, is that trouble? i thought html was trouble tbh, his "support" is being terrible :(
[18:59] <bazhang> yes html is not wonderful at support. but randomuser came in with a chip on his shoulder from the get go
[19:25] <AlanBell> html is *dreadful* at support
[19:26] <ikonia> he's been spoken to many times about it
[19:26] <ikonia> eg: if you don't know - don't speak
[19:26] <ikonia> I'm trying to think how to best deal with him in terms of useful in the channel
[19:26] <pangolin> maybe hand a sign and he can spin that all day long
[20:55] <bazhang> spycology? ranger1234 is PM me about it
[20:56] <bazhang> err PMing
[20:58] <bazhang> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110408201638AAVUk80
[21:00] <bazhang> oh fgf was around yesterday using a different nick meowmeow?
[21:01] <LjL> oh
[21:01] <LjL> maybe
[21:01] <LjL> but he's also, Artox_
[21:01] <LjL> which i kicked but neglected to ban earlier
[21:02] <ikonia> Artox again huh


[08:36] <ibeardslee> mutter mutter Precise and Network Manager Sometimes .. have to remember to mangle the idea of eth0 and eth1 if you change network cards
[08:37] <ibeardslee> right on that note /me wanders busward
[09:50] <hads> That's udev rather than NM though.
[10:05] <karora> ibeardslee: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[10:05] <karora> reboot
[10:07] <karora> Having that hit me occasionally has been momentary pain, but then I remember how much pain there used to be when it *wasn't* persistent, and I think of how infrequently I change my network hardware, and I decide it's probably the right answer.
[10:13] <atamira> he'll see it in the morning. its after 10pm here now
[13:06] <G> karora: biosdevname is a good solution too, although a tad confusing for old hands :)
[18:39] <hads> biosdevname is too confusing
[19:44] <chilts> morning
[20:28] <ajmitch> morning
[20:34] <mwhudson> morning
[20:35] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:36] <ibeardslee> karora: yeah that's what I ended up doing .. well actually commented out the existing lines 'just in case'
[20:37] <karora> It's designed to be OK to just remove it.
[20:38] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: how'd the laptop swap go?
[20:39] <ibeardslee> apart from the network glitch all well.  Ended up swapping the msata drives around.
[20:39] <ajmitch> ah, the easy way once you fought past the screws
[20:39] <ibeardslee> although I did discover that I'd copied about 54GB of the 64GB disk across and the machine booted off that image
[20:39] <ajmitch> heh
[20:40] <ibeardslee> but in the end we'll end up with a spare mSATA floating around here as well
[20:41] <ibeardslee> it looks like putting that extra disk into the ultra lap involves really taking the whole thing apart
[20:41] <ibeardslee> https://twitter.com/ibeardslee/status/250496350561656832/photo/1
[20:41] <ajmitch> that's a pain, but not surprising considering the form factor
[20:42] <ibeardslee> those black bits on the side seem to be the batteries (there goes the idea of carrying a spare batteries for these)
[20:43] <ajmitch> nice to see what it's like inside though
[20:43] <ibeardslee> the gap between them is where the sata drive goes, but it needs to be attached by screws from the other side of that plastic
[20:43] <ajmitch> no wonder you can only put in a 7.5mm high drive there
[21:00] <atamira> morning
[21:15] <ojwb> morning
[21:21]  * chilts awaits the drop, cover, hold thing
[21:21] <chilts> kinda funny knowing that in advance
[21:23]  * ojwb warms up his earthquake machine
[21:42] <chilts> phew, looks like most of us survived
[21:42] <chilts> maybe all :)
[21:43] <chilts> actually, 2 people didn't do it ... which is absolute lunacy
[21:45] <ajmitch> so they've been taken to hospital now? :)
[21:46] <ibeardslee> hmm wha?
[21:51] <thumper> morning
[21:55] <atamira> i didnt hear anything
[21:55] <atamira> were we suppose to hear something?
[22:01] <kcj> Morning.
[22:22] <mwhudson> sometimes i would like to know what i am actually typing when i get my gpg passphrase wrong
[22:22] <chilts> I don't think Civil Defence did anything, it was up to you and your people to organise it for your building
[22:22] <chilts> they just made the phones beep here


[04:57] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro Cryterion anton_may theblazehen and all other lurkers
[05:20] <chesedo> morning all
[05:21] <Kilos> morning chesedo
[05:42] <anton_may> wazzup
[05:42] <Kilos> another day
[05:42] <anton_may> but the same ol crap
[05:42] <Kilos> no sun yet
[05:42] <Kilos> yip
[05:43] <anton_may> At least had a R10 McDonalds special, yes not the best, but something to get me going
[05:43] <Kilos> lekker
[05:43] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[05:44] <Kilos> i used to enjoy mcdonalds when they were 2 for R10
[05:44] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[05:44] <anton_may> Yip, well it's an OJ & McEgg, Sasuage
[05:44] <Kilos> lekker
[05:45] <Kilos> easier than making your own
[05:45]  * Kilos thinking
[05:45] <Kilos> whats an OJ
[05:45] <anton_may> Orange Juice
[05:45] <Kilos> oh
[05:46] <Kilos> all these abreviations drive me crazy, ubuntu is full of them
[05:46] <Kilos> when i watch the devs at work i get totally lost
[05:47] <chesedo> oh hi again Kilos
[05:47] <anton_may> LoL
[05:53] <anton_may> whatsapp - bunch of retards
[05:53] <Kilos> lol
[05:54] <anton_may> blocked my testing number for yowsup because it's against there T&C's
[05:54] <anton_may> Got Telegram working - smucks and it's much better interface
[05:54] <Kilos> i love telegram
[05:55] <anton_may> yip, the telegram-cli is so kewl, very easy to use and a very good help menu
[05:55] <Kilos> and its the last thing to lose connection when signal is bad and faster than anything else
[05:56] <anton_may> It's instant
[05:56] <Kilos> yes
[05:56] <Kilos> even to open the desktop version it connects in seconds
[05:57] <anton_may> I've created a group and added myself to the group, now busy testing nagios notifications to the group
[05:57] <Kilos> takes longer in pidgin , but with pidgin you can use secret chats that the desktop app cant do
[05:57] <anton_may> the telegram-cli you can too
[05:57] <Kilos> droid things do secret fine
[05:59] <Kilos> wish they would on the audio side so i can dump skype
[06:00] <anton_may> Probably over time, alot of security headers on those packets
[06:00] <Kilos> ah
[06:04] <anton_may> Kewl you can deamonize the program
[06:16] <Kilos> nice to see you being active here anton_may took a while
[06:29] <anton_may> well try to
[06:34] <Kilos> hi Cryterion iqbal
[06:34] <Cryterion> mornings
[06:37] <Kilos> Cryterion the name i was looking for is wormwood
[06:38] <Cryterion> ?
[06:38] <Kilos> to do with planet x
[06:38] <Kilos> hehe
[06:38] <Kilos> you left my channel
[06:38] <Cryterion> ah, ok
[06:49] <Cryterion> hmmm
[06:49] <Cryterion> I'll join again just now, something must have gone wrong with autojoin
[06:50] <Kilos> np
[06:53] <dlPhreak> Morning
[06:58] <iqbal> hi all
[06:58] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak
[07:04] <chesedo> hi iqbal dlPhreak
[07:06] <dlPhreak> Kilos chesedo iqbal howzit
[07:06] <Kilos> lekker and there
[07:08] <dlPhreak> Pretty swell thanks Kilos
[07:09] <pavlushka> Kilos, o/
[07:09] <pavlushka> everyone o/
[07:09] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[07:10] <dlPhreak> hi pavlushka
[07:11]  * anton_may note to self, if laptop says battery is flat plug in power and save the work
[07:11] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:11] <Kilos> my battery is totallt messed so only works off power
[07:12] <Kilos> gives me 2 mins to shutdown on power cuts though
[07:13] <anton_may> i usually run my laptop battery almost dead in the mornings and then plug it in, but was so busy. I saw the notification and thought, just 5 more min then plug in.....not to be
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:13] <dlPhreak> get conky to show battery percentage.
[07:13] <dlPhreak> really works for me.
[07:14] <anton_may> ja will add to my other million conky notifications
[07:15] <dlPhreak> Haha I'm trying to make the most useless and OP conkyrc.
[07:15] <pavlushka> dlPhreak, Hi
[07:15] <dlPhreak> pavlushka how are you?
[07:17] <pavlushka> dlPhreak, I m fine, you?
[07:18] <dlPhreak> I'm good thank pavlushka
[07:19] <dlPhreak> You a new egg or old reg?
[07:19] <chesedo> great thanks dlPhreak
[07:20]  * chesedo also waves to pavlushka
[07:20]  * pavlushka waving to chesedo
[07:21] <pavlushka> chesedo, lol.
[07:22]  * chesedo clearly missed something
[07:26] <pavlushka> chesedo, I found it amusing, the silent waving thing.
[07:27] <chesedo> lol
[07:29] <pavlushka> chesedo, I guess i didn't miss anything this time.
[07:29] <pavlushka> chesedo, kidding
[07:29]  * chesedo read through it and almost waved at the screen...
[07:30] <chesedo> well, kind of almost...
[07:30] <pavlushka> chesedo, which part? i missed?
[07:31] <chesedo> pavlushka: while trying to figure out 'silent waving thing'
[07:39] <pavlushka> chesedo, dlPhreak, Kilos , bye
[07:39] <chesedo> i have now had 5+ missed calls from a number, but trying to dial back results in `the number is incorrect`... how does one figure that?
[07:44] <Xsm> Morning everyone.
[07:45] <chesedo> hi Xsm
[07:45] <chesedo> tackling the server today?
[07:46] <Xsm> I managed to finish the forwarding dns server chesedo, last night.
[07:47] <chesedo> wow, congrats
[07:48] <Xsm> I can ssh to the server, but not get online from an internal computer. Just busy looking for the webiste that I installed the shh with, need to find the known_hosts file and the keygen. Can't get in with ssh without a password.
[07:53] <Kilos> hi Xsm
[07:54] <Xsm> Hey Dad.
[07:54] <Xsm> ty chesedo but still a way to go yet.
[07:55] <Kilos> massive job hey
[07:55] <Kilos> next one will be easier though
[07:56] <Xsm> Yes it will. I am sure of that. But that is why I want to make one for home, to refresh all I have done too.
[07:57] <chesedo> Xsm: so the server can get online?
[07:58] <Xsm> I am on it now, Xsm = server.
[07:58] <Xsm> Wolfeyes = inetrnal computer.
[07:59] <chesedo> oh ok, sounds like just iptables are left then...
[08:00] <Xsm> and squid
[08:00] <Xsm> and this connection error
[08:00] <chesedo> hmm
[08:00] <Xsm> chesedo: have you done two network cards before?
[08:01] <Xsm> Let me rephrase that.
[08:01] <chesedo> home server, yes
[08:02] <Xsm> Okay let me explain what I have done here then, I have one network card, p3p1 = <IP_ADDRESS> and p5p1 =<IP_ADDRESS>.
[08:05] <Xsm> Or this is how I am understanding it, the p5p1 links via the isc-dns-server which links to a forwarding dns server, which links p3p1 to the router.
[08:07] <Xsm> the p5p1 = <IP_ADDRESS>, does this have gateways in the /etc/network/interfaces and should the subnetmask be different from the p3p1? I have seen this is different.
[08:07] <chesedo> p5p1 is the internal one?
[08:08] <Xsm> yes
[08:10] <Xsm> in the interfaces the subnet is the same, but when I ifconfig the subnet is = p3p1 = <IP_ADDRESS> and the p5p1 = <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:11] <chesedo> ok, so the internal links (or will link) to the external. One/both of them will use your forwarding dns server (which seems to be  isc-dns-server in your case)
[08:11] <chesedo> the internal's gateway will be itself... what is it currently?
[08:13] <chesedo> but you should not need to set it anyway...
[08:15] <chesedo> subnet or netmask?
[08:15] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmnkdcb
[08:17] <Xsm> Which posses another question I have, what should the gateway be in the internal computer? Trying to ssh to the p5p1?
[08:18] <chesedo> the subsets can be same since the ip ranges differ as far a i knw
[08:18] <Xsm> let me get that internals computers details.
[08:18] <chesedo> for the internals the gateway is the server
[08:18] <Xsm> which card though?
[08:19] <Xsm> there is two or shouldn't it matter, prefferably the internal card for security.
[08:19] <chesedo> since p5p1 is internal <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:20]  * chesedo thinks the internal's interfaces will also need network and broadcast set, but will see (mine has for a dchp setup)
[08:26] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmccsmy
[08:26] <Xsm> internal computer
[08:27] <chesedo> seems ok (will set the dns now now)
[08:28] <chesedo> can it ping the server
[08:30] <Xsm> yes
[08:30] <Xsm> but no internet.
[08:31] <chesedo> thats where the iptables will come in...
[08:32] <chesedo> didn't you have a dchp-server also setup on the server?
[08:32] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmndnug        <------ server
[08:32] <Xsm> yes
[08:34] <chesedo> won't you rather use it to give the clients static addresses? which one do you have btw?
[08:37] <chesedo> or maybe play with that later... to get the internal to reach the internet you will have to setup masquerading
[08:38]  * chesedo saw you mention someone masquerading the other day...
[08:38] <chesedo> *someone's
[08:48] <chesedo> Xsm: broke something?
[08:50] <Xsm> lol
[08:51] <Xsm> Telkom card disconnecting, something I had to learn int he process that it isn't always the network cards or firewall breaking the internet connection.
[08:51] <chesedo> ouch, that can be a pain
[08:54] <Xsm> Yeah tell me about it but now I know if I been connected for a while, and it just goes off, it's the telkom sim card.
[10:37] <anton_may> Don't know if I should laugh or cry --> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/
[10:54] <dlPhreak> anton_may: I thought the exact same thing when I saw this yesterday.
[11:02] <MaNI> cry, at the thought of possibly having to support it
[11:02] <MaNI> why oh why can't everyone just use postgresql
[11:18] <anton_may> i wonder if any linux os can support all the updates that will be coming through every min?
[11:29] <anton_may> sweet nagios reporting through telegram and working way better than whatsapp
[11:31] <superfly> Good morning Kilos
[11:31] <Kilos> hello my fly
[12:04] <Kilosbento> hmm...
[12:04] <Kilosbento> boom boom connection gone
[12:04] <anton_may> bonjourno kilosbento, come se va?
[12:05] <Kilosbento> no spika that language senor
[12:06] <anton_may> ak ok spiacente
[12:06] <Kilos> dis ekke man
[12:07] <Kilos> op bento OS
[12:07] <anton_may> lol ek weet
[12:08] <anton_may> spiacente = sorry
[12:08] <Kilos> snaaks my ander dongle ding willie knek nie
[12:09] <anton_may> dan gooi hom in die swembad
[12:09] <Kilos-> woooo
[12:10] <Kilos-> this telkom tower is so afraid of lightning that even if a boom is heard far away connection goes
[12:11] <Kilos-> weather liar just said expect heavy rain all day
[12:14] <anton_may> Google weather says PTA thunder storms
[12:16] <Kilos-> lets hope more storms and less thunder
[12:17] <qwebirc93708> good day everyone
[12:17] <Kilos-> hi qwebirc93708
[12:17] <Kilos-> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:17] <qwebirc93708> thank you very much
[12:17] <anton_may> wazzup <qwebirc93708
[12:19] <qwebirc93708> i have a question for you , i have a Vodafone Webbook and i want to reload the OS on it as its a bit faulty. Do you know how i can do this
[12:19] <Kilos-> just be patient, someone will have the answer for you
[12:19] <qwebirc93708> thank you
[12:20] <qwebirc93708> it has Ubuntu linux 2.6.35-13-charlotte (armv7) on ti
[12:20] <qwebirc93708> it
[12:21] <Kilos-> we can of course ask our bot to google it
[12:21] <Kilos-> but tell us first what the problem is
[12:22] <Kilos-> as in what is a bit faulty
[12:22] <Kilos-> maybe we can give you a command to sort it out
[12:23] <qwebirc93708> i can install software as there are two "charlotte" file corupt or missing
[12:24] <qwebirc93708> i can udate cause it keep giving that errror to repair these two files
[12:24] <Kilos> does it have synaptic on it
[12:24] <qwebirc93708> yes
[12:24] <Kilos> you cant use the terminal right?
[12:25] <Kilos> oh good
[12:25] <qwebirc93708> yes
[12:25] <Kilos> in synaptic
[12:25] <Kilos> you tick on the second button from left
[12:25] <Kilos> and it gives an option to repair broken packages
[12:26] <Kilos> let me open synaptic here so i can see for sure
[12:26] <qwebirc93708> yes it does , tried in term and it does nothing
[12:26] <qwebirc93708> the files are as follows
[12:27] <qwebirc93708> charlote-config
[12:27] <qwebirc93708> charlotte-config-za
[12:27] <Kilos> ok
[12:27] <Kilos> lets try
[12:28] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[12:28] <Kilos> then reboot
[12:28] <Kilos> it will run a filesystem check
[12:28] <qwebirc93708> when i run " apt-get install - f" it gives an error and does not repair
[12:29] <Kilos-> try
[12:29] <Kilos-> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:29] <qwebirc93708> its rebooting
[12:30] <Kilos-> were you installing something when this started
[12:31] <Kilos-> anton_may speak up
[12:31] <Kilos-> ek dom man
[12:31] <qwebirc93708> nope, this was a computer for the kids, now they have laptops and i want to use when i go meetings
[12:32] <qwebirc93708> so what they did with i dont know
[12:32] <Kilos-> aha then we find a way to fix it
[12:32] <Kilos-> then you tied to us for life hey
[12:33] <qwebirc93708> yip
[12:33] <Kilos-> lol
[12:33] <Kilos-> cool
[12:33] <Kilos-> is it still fixing things
[12:33] <qwebirc93708> it just rebooted normally
[12:34] <Kilos-> what is that charlotte thing do
[12:34] <Kilos-> for i mean
[12:34] <qwebirc93708> i dont know
[12:35] <Kilos-> let me go to desktop. i lost connection there for a bit
[12:36] <Kilos> do you see the package in synaptic
[12:36] <qwebirc93708> yes i do
[12:37] <Kilos> what does it say at the bottom, what does it do
[12:37] <qwebirc93708> but it wont repair or reinstall
[12:38] <Kilos> and no remove option
[12:38] <Kilos> or remove completely
[12:38] <qwebirc93708> i tried that also
[12:38] <Kilos> oh my
[12:38] <qwebirc93708> it says 2 pakakges to be upgraded
[12:39] <Kilos> ok tick reload at the top
[12:39] <qwebirc93708> did that
[12:39] <Kilos> then then mark all upgrades
[12:39] <Kilos> then apply
[12:40] <qwebirc93708> mark all upgrades , it running now lets what happens
[12:41] <qwebirc93708> sorry for taking up your time with all this sillyness
[12:42] <Kilos-> no man, thats why we have this channel
[12:42] <Kilos-> you are welcome here anytime and all the time
[12:42] <Kilos-> most of us are here everyday
[12:42] <qwebirc93708> it seems like this is going to take some time (1196 to download)
[12:43] <qwebirc93708> cool
[12:43] <Kilos-> wow wy behind
[12:43] <Kilos-> way
[12:43] <qwebirc93708> yip
[12:44] <qwebirc93708> i think it has been in a box for alomost 2 years now
[12:44] <Kilos-> wow
[12:44] <Kilos-> haha
[12:44] <qwebirc93708> dicided to take it out and see what i can use it for
[12:44] <Kilos-> good now you found us
[12:45] <Kilos-> when its working you can install xchat and set it up to connect here
[12:45] <Kilos-> then you have a proper irc client working
[12:50] <Kilos-> just type this in the terminal qwebirc93708
[12:50] <Kilos-> lsb_release -a
[12:51] <Kilos-> lets see what ubuntu release is on there
[12:53] <qwebirc93708> will do the xchat
[12:53] <Kilos-> upgrading done?
[12:53] <Kilos-> that was fast
[12:54] <qwebirc93708> 10.04 lucid
[12:54] <Kilos-> oh my
[12:54] <Kilos-> thats old
[12:54] <qwebirc93708> ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[12:54] <qwebirc93708> yes
[12:54] <Kilos-> im on 14.04
[12:54] <Kilos-> and 16.04 will be out soon
[12:55]  * chesedo thinks EOL
[12:55] <qwebirc93708> ok , for arm processros ?
[12:55] <Kilos-> strange it still finds upgrades
[12:56] <Kilos-> lts releases are only supported for 5 years
[12:56] <qwebirc93708> oh crap
[12:56] <Kilos-> you just upgrade then
[12:56] <qwebirc93708> then how do i load a new version on ?
[12:56] <qwebirc93708> ok
[12:57] <qwebirc93708> its still downloading
[12:57] <Kilos-> ok lets see if this fixes it first
[12:58] <Kilos-> then we worry about upgrading
[12:58] <qwebirc93708> ok
[13:00] <Kilos-> chesedo you okes will have to take over then, i remember something that was different with  arms processors
[13:00] <qwebirc93708> do you know what thos two "charlotte" file are for
[13:01] <Kilos-> but if we can upgrade lts to lts it should know where to go
[13:01] <Kilos-> let me google
[13:03] <chesedo> Kilos-: have no experience with arms, but think it might be upgrading now already...
[13:03] <Kilos-> hopefully not 10.10
[13:04] <qwebirc93708> 7 min left
[13:04] <Kilos-> normally you must do release upgrades to go later release
[13:04] <chesedo> that is also EOL, so guess it is going to 12.04
[13:04] <Kilos-> anyway if it works thats good then we can work it out
[13:05] <Kilos-> hopefully yes
[13:05] <Kilos-> then there is still time till eol of 12.04
[13:05] <Kilos-> i have 12.04 running on desktop too
[13:06] <Kilos-> was a good release
[13:06] <Kilos-> only the nm was stupid
[13:07] <qwebirc93708> i dont really like the unity desktop, Gnome is good for me
[13:07] <qwebirc93708> on my other laptop I'm runnung linux lite
[13:07] <qwebirc93708> with Xfce4
[13:08] <qwebirc93708> but its all debian based, so i'm happy
[13:08] <qwebirc93708> not a fan of rpm's
[13:08] <Kilos-> yeah i run kde in 14.04
[13:09] <Kilos-> didnt enjoy the xfce
[13:10] <qwebirc93708> not many do
[13:10] <qwebirc93708> i liked KDE on on knoppix
[13:10] <Kilos-> but its lighter than kde and unity
[13:10] <qwebirc93708> yes it is , that iwhy i run xfce
[13:10] <Kilos-> you an old hand then
[13:11] <qwebirc93708> yip , started on caldera linux
[13:11] <Kilos-> there is a lighter private ubuntu called bento , it use openbox
[13:11] <Kilos-> nice and fast
[13:11] <qwebirc93708> thnx , will check it out :)
[13:12] <qwebirc93708> ok finished dowloading , starting the install.
[13:12] <qwebirc93708> lets see
[13:13] <Kilos-> im sure it will work now
[13:13] <Kilos-> synaptic is quite efficient
[13:14] <Kilos-> save this link somewhere
[13:14] <Kilos-> http://linuxvillage.org/en/blog/2013/11/15/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/
[13:14] <anton_may> sorry need my help?
[13:14] <qwebirc93708> error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:15] <Kilos-> yes anton_may ^^
[13:15] <Kilos-> does it go on qwebirc93708 or stick there
[13:16] <anton_may> wazzup
[13:16] <qwebirc93708> all help would be welcome , Kilos is a real wonderfull person for helping me
[13:16] <Kilos-> anton_may old 10.04 webbook thats been in the cupboard for 2 years
[13:17] <Kilos-> now giving errors
[13:17] <anton_may> ok
[13:18] <Kilos-> some sick conf file or something
[13:18] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 was that error in the beginning of the installing
[13:18] <Kilos-> or were some packages already installed
[13:19] <Kilos-> chesedo dont just sit there
[13:19] <Kilos-> help me man
[13:21] <qwebirc93708> yes there was an error
[13:22] <chesedo> sorry Kilos- am busy, will give input if i spot something wrong
[13:22] <qwebirc93708> lol
[13:22] <Kilos-> someone will work it out
[13:22]  * chesedo knows very little of broken installs
[13:22] <Kilos-> ok qwebirc93708 close synaptic
[13:22] <Kilos-> lets try command line repairs
[13:23] <chesedo> way not install fresh?
[13:23] <Kilos-> where you get iso for arm
[13:24] <qwebirc93708> if someone can tell me how to install fes on this hardware i would do it in flash
[13:24] <qwebirc93708> it comes preinstalled from vodacom
[13:24] <Kilos-> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2011/10/18/vodafone-webbook-with-ubuntu-software-launched-in-south-africa/
[13:24] <qwebirc93708> and i cant find a way to get in the bios
[13:25] <anton_may> The only thing I canis this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977379 - Don't know what to tell you
[13:25] <Kilos-> im looking for a how to
[13:27] <Kilos-> that link just tells the story about its release here
[13:27] <Kilos-> grrr
[13:28] <Kilos-> superfly you have some time?
[13:28] <Kilos-> error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:28] <qwebirc93708> there is not much on the we for this webbook
[13:29] <Kilos-> i thinks its the arm side
[13:29] <qwebirc93708> yip , got again after tried to do the upgrades
[13:29] <Kilos-> does if have a dvd
[13:29] <qwebirc93708> nope
[13:29] <Kilos-> usb ports?
[13:29] <qwebirc93708> 2
[13:30] <anton_may> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/990740
[13:30] <Kilos-> ok so we need to get into bios to tell it to boot from usb
[13:30] <qwebirc93708> thats the question of the day
[13:31] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708
[13:31] <qwebirc93708> yes
[13:31] <Kilos-> that last link has some info
[13:31] <Kilos-> close synaptic
[13:31] <Kilos-> try terminal
[13:31] <Kilos-> error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:31] <Kilos-> nono
[13:32] <Kilos-> sudo apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false -f apt python-minimal
[13:32] <qwebirc93708> give me 5 and i will give feedback
[13:32] <Kilos-> ok
[13:38] <qwebirc93708> ok , did that
[13:38] <anton_may> aaannnnnddddd?
[13:38] <qwebirc93708> busy with the dist-upgrade
[13:38] <anton_may> kewl
[13:39] <qwebirc93708> it asked me do i want to contineu ? Yes
[13:39] <qwebirc93708> and
[13:39] <Kilos-> yay
[13:39] <qwebirc93708>  error : could not perform immediate configuration on ' python2.7-minimal' . please see man5 apt.conf under ::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:39] <Kilos-> \well spotted anton_may ty
[13:39] <anton_may> nope
[13:39] <Kilos-> oh no
[13:40] <Kilos-> sudo apt-get -f install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false
[13:41] <anton_may> sudo apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false -f apt python-minimal
[13:41] <anton_may> Then running do-release-upgrad
[13:42] <Kilos-> ah tumbles was imvolved
[13:42] <qwebirc93708> ok , having a go at that now
[13:43] <Kilos-> wow lots of work there
[13:44] <Kilos-> with luck before we reach the bottom of the page well have it
[13:44] <anton_may> lol uh hu
[13:44] <Kilos-> stephano normally gets things right
[13:45] <qwebirc93708> still getting error on the " charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za " files
[13:45] <Kilos-> apt-get install -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false -f dpkg apt python-minimal
[13:45] <Kilos-> hehe
[13:45] <qwebirc93708> cant find them anywhere
[13:47] <anton_may> trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[13:47] <qwebirc93708> just trying to get to work again
[13:47] <qwebirc93708> upgrade is a secondry option
[13:50] <qwebirc93708> Kilos , the last command did not work either .
[13:50] <Kilos-> keep working your way down the page i see stuff about upgrading  update manager
[13:51] <Kilos-> i read too slow
[13:51] <anton_may> Here is a bug report on the webbook --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/986296
[13:52] <Kilos-> oh wait. what hard drive does it have
[13:52] <anton_may> should probably be a ssd
[13:52] <Kilos-> maybe plug it into another laptop and install 14.04 there
[13:52] <qwebirc93708> is there a way i can do the upgrades before the "uninstall"
[13:53] <Kilos-> do you have aptitude
[13:53] <qwebirc93708> for It , yes
[13:53] <Kilos-> i think 10.10 sill had it
[13:53] <Kilos-> sudo aptitude reinstall python2.7 i think
[13:54] <Kilos-> that should give some feedback on how to fix he error
[13:54] <Kilos-> or workarounds
[13:55] <qwebirc93708> Kilos, youve been such great help. thnx
[13:55] <Kilos-> if its an ssd you can put it in your laptop and do everything there then replace
[13:55] <Kilos-> i enjoy these kind of probs
[13:55] <qwebirc93708> i think this ubuntu is just going to end up in the dustbin
[13:55] <Kilos-> 101.10 ye
[13:56] <Kilos-> butif you can tell bios to boot from usb then you need to install in another laptop
[13:56] <Kilos-> whew
[13:56] <Kilos-> if you cant
[13:58] <dlPhreak> Kilos-: do you have telegram?
[13:58] <qwebirc93708> will run linux lite on the lonovo, this vodafone ubuntu is not working
[13:59] <anton_may> Your problem is Vodafone
[14:00] <Kilos-> yes
[14:00] <Kilos-> voda anything is probs
[14:00] <anton_may> ok i'm out of here see all tomorrow, time to tackle the rain and traffic on the n1
[14:00] <qwebirc93708> true  , lol
[14:00] <Kilos-> cheers anton_may
[14:00] <qwebirc93708> good luck and thnx for all
[14:01] <anton_may> np
[14:01] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 try the drive in your laptop
[14:01] <Kilos-> then you can install annything on it
[14:01] <qwebirc93708> it does not have a drive in that voda thingy
[14:01] <Kilos-> oh my
[14:01] <qwebirc93708> its built into the motherboard
[14:01] <Kilos-> oh my
[14:01] <Kilos-> that sucks
[14:02] <Kilos-> but would be interesting to ty work out
[14:02] <Kilos-> there must be a way
[14:02] <qwebirc93708> basicly a tablet with a keyboard on
[14:02] <qwebirc93708> there must be a way
[14:02] <Kilos-> i wonder what they used to install ubuntu
[14:03] <Kilos-> its a shame to trash stuff that can still work
[14:03] <qwebirc93708> keep moaning it cant un-install that charlotte crap so it wont contineu
[14:03] <qwebirc93708> it is a shame , i agree
[14:03] <Kilos-> do you see packages names for charlotte
[14:04] <Kilos-> then do sudo aptitude purge charlotte whatever
[14:04] <qwebirc93708> charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za  this is all it says
[14:05] <qwebirc93708> running synaptic again to see if i can find charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za
[14:07] <Kilos-> oh that will be in home somewhere
[14:07] <Kilos-> all the configs are there
[14:07] <Kilos-> hidden files
[14:08] <qwebirc93708> charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za  is a configuration papckage built into the linux image for these devices
[14:08] <Kilos-> oh my
[14:08] <qwebirc93708> uboot-imx51-charlotte
[14:08] <Kilos-> ok in synaptic
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> linux-image-2.6.35-13-charlotte
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> yes in synaptic
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> linux-image-charlotte
[14:09] <Kilos-> tick settings and repositories
[14:09] <qwebirc93708> and charlotte-config  /   charlotte-config-za
[14:09] <Kilos-> the whloe linux image is charlot
[14:10] <qwebirc93708> yip
[14:10] <Kilos-> then see in updates
[14:11] <Kilos-> bottom one should be lts updates
[14:11] <qwebirc93708> http://charlotte.archive.canonical.com/
[14:11] <Kilos-> that whole arm release is called charlotte
[14:12] <inetpro> uh oh!
[14:12] <Kilos-> ai!
[14:12] <Kilos-> inetpro fix it
[14:12] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 here is mr fixit but he normally gets here at 8.30pm
[14:12] <inetpro> I'm fixed man, what' wrong with you oom?
[14:12] <Kilos-> lol
[14:12] <qwebirc93708> lol
[14:13] <Kilos-> shame man qwebirc93708 struggling with a vodafone webbook
[14:13] <inetpro> ai!
[14:13] <Kilos-> 10.10 on it
[14:13] <qwebirc93708> oom says , ubuntu Charlotte distro on vodafone webbook is broken
[14:13] <Kilos-> and charlotte is sick the cow
[14:14] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 you will lear
[14:14] <Kilos-> im the front door here
[14:14] <Kilos-> then guys pop in as you struggle
[14:14] <Kilos-> and at the back door is inetpro with a large hammer
[14:15] <qwebirc93708> nice place you have here, you made me feel welcome
[14:15] <qwebirc93708> lol
[14:15] <Kilos-> when everyone else has had a go inetpro or superfly come fix it
[14:16]  * inetpro reads the backlogs
[14:16] <Kilos-> sjoe long read
[14:16] <qwebirc93708> well then , inetpro guru , i'm just a noob
[14:17] <Kilos-> Maaz coffee on
[14:17]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:17] <Kilos-> qwebirc93708 order coffee by typing maaz coffee please
[14:18] <qwebirc93708> you guys remind me of the irc day in the late 80' and early 90's
[14:18] <Kilos-> haha qwebirc93708 you cant say that, he is gonna read when you started
[14:18] <qwebirc93708> i wish i could change my handle to my old name there
[14:18] <Kilos-> you can
[14:18] <Kilos-> type in /nick newname
[14:19] <Kilos-> hi Happy_h
[14:19] <Happy_h> hi
[14:19] <Kilos-> when you got xchat going register that nick
[14:19] <Happy_h> will do
[14:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos-!
[14:23] <Kilos-> Maaz ty
[14:23] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos-
[14:23] <Kilos-> i wonder if one could do a reote install on that webbook
[14:23] <Kilos-> remote
[14:28] <Happy_h> is there a way i can replace the missing files or reinstall them , just those two charlotte things
[14:29] <Kilos-> lets hear what pro and fly say
[14:30] <Kilos-> if you know the correct name thern aptitude reinstall should work
[14:32] <Happy_h> giving it go now
[14:33] <Happy_h> how can i tell ubuntu to install something and ignore all other installs ot uninstalls
[14:35] <Kilos-> Happy_h use aptitude reinstall
[14:35] <Happy_h> i did
[14:36] <Kilos-> if you can name those 2 packages correctly then aptitude could work
[14:36] <Kilos-> oh
[14:36] <Kilos-> oh my i did that twice
[14:36] <Happy_h> it first wants to unstall the old ones and the it crashes and burns
[14:36] <Kilos-> what does aptitude say
[14:37] <Kilos-> eish
[14:37] <Happy_h> seems that when the unity 2-D was removed it broke the charlotte packages
[14:38] <Kilos-> ah
[14:39] <Kilos-> ubuntu mate could work thats still gnome2
[14:39] <Kilos-> but how to install
[14:40] <Happy_h> and then it says to me , "this mightmean you need to manually fix this package"
[14:40] <Happy_h> LOL
[14:40] <Kilos-> lol
[14:40] <Kilos-> let the pro think aboutit
[14:40] <Happy_h> ok
[14:41] <Kilos-> se if you can find anything about doing a reote install
[14:41] <Kilos-> maybe you can ssh to it or something
[14:44] <Happy_h> the thing is , i have root on this webbook , ssh aint going to change much
[14:45] <Kilos-> i wonder how they installed it originally
[14:45] <Happy_h> me too
[14:46] <Kilos-> that will be the way to get in
[14:46] <Happy_h> if i can figure that out i will install Kali - Arm iso
[14:46] <Kilos-> oh wait
[14:46] <Kilos-> the is a fix broken apt-get command
[14:46] <Kilos-> whew typos
[14:46] <Kilos-> there is
[14:49] <Kilos-> you done this Happy_h
[14:49] <Kilos->  sudo apt-get -f install
[14:49] <Happy_h> yes
[14:50] <Happy_h> -f is for "force" even as root it does not work
[14:50] <Kilos-> look at this link
[14:50] <Kilos-> http://askubuntu.com/questions/141370/how-to-fix-a-broken-package-when-apt-get-install-f-does-not-work
[14:51] <Kilos-> i just worry we mess up worse
[14:51] <Kilos-> Maaz it does not work
[14:51] <Maaz> Kilos-: I already know stuff about it
[14:51] <Happy_h> lol , i dont think so peddewan , its a dustbin case anyway
[14:52] <Kilos-> pro sometimes comes up with simple fixes to what others battle for days with
[14:53] <Kilos-> eish i was added to the padawan tuff
[14:53] <Kilos-> now im scared to even go look there
[14:55] <Kilos-> Happy_h does this mean all those webbook got thrown away?
[14:56] <Happy_h> yip
[14:56] <Kilos-> or only those that didnt keep up to date before eol
[14:56] <Kilos-> wow what a waste
[14:57] <Happy_h> it nwas the 1laptop for every child attempt that vodacom did with partnership with ubuntu
[14:57] <Happy_h> but then bussiness came along and said no
[14:57] <Kilos-> if the guys have no suggestions then we find if its possible to get into bios and tell it to boot from usb
[14:57] <Happy_h> they will rather sell them and try and make a couple of bucks
[14:57] <Kilos-> ai!
[14:58] <Kilos-> anything voda is evil
[14:58] <Kilos-> where are you Happy_h
[14:58] <Happy_h> so vodacom imported alot and when they sold them of they disowned it
[14:58] <Kilos-> im in ptown
[14:58] <Happy_h> gauteng
[14:59] <Kilos-> yay
[14:59] <Kilos-> we getting more
[14:59] <Kilos-> the cape is way ahead of us but we are catching up slowly
[15:00] <Happy_h> trust me this thing have been testing my LPI-2 and RHCE brain stukkend
[15:00] <Kilos-> lol
[15:00] <Kilos-> well done on the qualifications
[15:00] <Happy_h> oh yes, even the big company i work for is behind
[15:00] <Happy_h> thanx
[15:03] <Happy_h> i like this webbook , it has a 5 hour battery life , even after bieng about 5 years old
[15:08] <inetpro> Happy_h, Kilos-: sorry guys, work taking all my focus away from here.. will have to chat later
[15:09] <Kilos-> ty inetpro
[15:09] <Kilos-> wow Happy_h well then fixing it is the only way
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos-: how's the weather btw?
[15:10] <Kilos-> overcast but not raining inetpro
[15:10] <Kilos-> odd drizzle now and again
[15:10] <inetpro> how have you had?
[15:10] <Kilos-> i go see
[15:10] <inetpro> you think there's more coming?
[15:10] <Happy_h> thanx Kilos and inetpro
[15:10] <Kilos-> ydes
[15:10] <Kilos-> hopefully
[15:11] <inetpro> how much*
[15:13] <Kilos-> 5 early am and 2 with this afternoons storm
[15:14] <inetpro> Kilos-: hmm...
[15:14] <inetpro> so little
[15:14] <Kilos-> ya
[15:14]  * inetpro thought it came down much more here
[15:14] <inetpro> wish I had a rain meter here at the office as well
[15:15] <Kilos-> im msure town rains much more than here
[15:15] <Kilos-> hey Happy_h gauteng is a big place man
[15:16] <Kilos-> im slow
[15:16] <Kilos-> almost falling asleep here
[15:16] <inetpro> one day when I'm grown up I'll install my own smart weather station so I can look at it when ever I want
[15:16] <Kilos-> lol
[15:17] <Kilos-> it wont affect how much water falls
[15:17] <Happy_h> arduino's have cool project for that
[15:18] <inetpro> just need to connect with https://www.wunderground.com/
[15:19] <Kilos> weather report at lunch time said continuous heavy rain all day
[15:19] <Kilos> 7mm isnt very heavy
[15:20] <Kilos> but the weeds are happy
[15:21] <Happy_h> gauten is a small place Kilos
[15:22] <Kilos> nono i walk everywhere
[15:22] <Happy_h> New York is ig
[15:22] <Happy_h> big
[15:22] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <Kilos> ja  i spose you right
[15:33] <Kilos> Happy_h how big is the drive in that thing'
[15:34] <Kilos> maybe we can shrink it and install another OS alongside
[15:36] <Happy_h> let me check drive size
[15:36] <Kilos> also did you try this
[15:37] <Kilos> cd to /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:37] <Kilos> sudo dpkg -i python2.7-minimal* python-minimal*
[15:38] <Kilos> oh your apt-get is working
[15:43] <Happy_h> 4 gig
[15:45] <Kilos> aw too small
[15:46] <Kilos> unless you install tinycorelinux
[15:46] <Kilos> thats under 100 meg
[15:46] <Kilos> do you have a flash you can put an iso on, maybe thats how they installed originally
[15:47] <Kilos> so then it will boot from usb
[15:49] <Kilos> that stupid thing has me hooked on finding a solution now
[15:51] <Happy_h> lol, welcome to my maze of insanity Kilos
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <Happy_h> ive been at it for a while now
[15:51] <Kilos> thats how my pc carrear started, working with discards
[15:52] <Kilos> many throw away things work well once you ad ten years to your life with all the struggling
[15:52] <Happy_h> mine to , back in 1988
[15:52] <Kilos> haha
[15:53] <Kilos> mine only started a year before ubuntu 8.04
[15:53] <Kilos> so 2008
[15:53] <Happy_h> oh
[15:53] <Kilos> im a mechanic and farmer person
[15:53] <Happy_h> that really shows my age .  ........LOL
[15:54] <Kilos> how old are you , im sure im older
[15:54] <Happy_h> 24 in reverse
[15:54] <Kilos> you a baby still
[15:54] <Kilos> im65 in june
[15:54] <Happy_h> cool
[15:55] <Happy_h> never to old to learn , converted my dad @ 67 to linux
[15:55] <Kilos> wow
[15:55] <Happy_h> had to stop his evel micro&^$ ways
[15:56] <Kilos> we have another guy that visits here that is 8 years older than i am
[15:56] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <Happy_h> hehehe
[15:56] <Kilos> thats why im on linux, windows drove me mad
[15:56] <Kilos> in one years
[15:57] <Happy_h> me too
[15:58] <Happy_h> linux is easy to use , just this is driving me up the wall
[15:58] <Kilos> haha
[15:58] <Kilos> you didnt answer man
[15:59] <Kilos> have you got a stick and an iso to try if it boots from usb
[15:59] <Happy_h> yes i did
[15:59] <Kilos> oh
[15:59] <Happy_h> cant get to boot
[16:00] <Kilos> does the stick boot in your lappy
[16:00] <Happy_h> oh yes
[16:00] <Kilos> oh my
[16:00] <Kilos> so its finding bios thats next
[16:00] <Happy_h> yip
[16:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:02] <Kilos> ok what make of laptop is it
[16:02] <Kilos> before voda stuff stuck all over
[16:03] <Happy_h> vodafone webbook on9
[16:03] <Happy_h> its a webbook
[16:03] <Happy_h> like the eeepc kinda thingy
[16:03] <Kilos> i found others with netbook probs similar
[16:06] <Kilos> there must be a manufacturer , voda just came and messed it up
[16:06] <Kilos> they wont spend money on hardware manufacture
[16:06] <Happy_h> yip
[16:06] <Happy_h> let me check
[16:09] <Kilos> but what is strange is where did it go download all those packages from if 10.10 has ended support
[16:09] <Kilos> that means the repo is shutdown
[16:12] <Happy_h> i found it i found it i found it i found it
[16:13] <Kilos> yay
[16:13] <Happy_h> got it o boot from usb
[16:13] <Kilos> w000000t
[16:13] <Happy_h> now i need to get an ARMv7 iso
[16:13] <Kilos> yeah
[16:13] <Kilos> hehe
[16:14] <Happy_h> if you remove the battery , there is a little dip switch to put it into a "maintenace" mode
[16:14] <Kilos> oh yes i read something about a switch there
[16:14] <Happy_h> then it starts up and looks for a bootable device
[16:14] <Kilos> but they didnt say what it does
[16:15] <Kilos> wonderful
[16:16] <Kilos> i suppose if you can do redhat you can do kali
[16:16] <Happy_h> yes going to try now
[16:17] <Happy_h> kali will e my choice
[16:19]  * Kilos hears inetpro breathe a sigh of relief
[16:21] <Happy_h> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> i think i found the cure for 10.10 as well
[16:22] <Kilos> hehe
[16:22] <Kilos> http://tkurek.blogspot.co.za/2013/04/could-not-perform-immediate.html
[16:22] <Kilos> dependancies missing
[16:24] <Kilos> nope not good for everyone either
[16:25] <Kilos> kali is good then i can close many links in my poor overloaded browser
[16:27] <Xsm> pouring with beautiful rain here.
[16:28] <Xsm> "hard"
[16:28] <Happy_h> now ive got one thi to figure out
[16:28] <Kilos> what Happy_h
[16:28] <Kilos> still min here Xsm
[16:28] <Happy_h> how to make the usb bootable
[16:29] <Kilos> unetbootin Happy_h
[16:29] <Kilos> in ubuntu rpos i think
[16:29] <Happy_h> for ARM
[16:29] <Kilos> unetbootin makes lekker install sticks
[16:29] <Happy_h> that is with normal iso's
[16:29] <Kilos> the iso is for arm isnt it
[16:30] <Kilos> oh my does that also change
[16:30] <Happy_h> yip
[16:32] <Kilos> http://docs.kali.org/downloading/kali-linux-live-usb-
[16:32] <Happy_h> xzcat kali-$version-rpi2.img.xz | dd of=/dev/sdb bs=512k
[16:32] <Happy_h> for armv7
[16:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:33] <Kilos> you must hang out here all the time then i can rest
[16:34] <Kilos> dont forget xchat
[16:34] <Happy_h> lol
[16:34] <Happy_h> no i wont
[16:34] <Happy_h> i have forgotten how much fun irc can be
[16:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:35] <Kilos> we are the friendliest ubuntu channel
[16:35] <Happy_h> oh yes
[16:35] <Happy_h> that is true
[16:37] <Happy_h> i got go start with dinner, will chat again soon
[16:37] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:37] <Happy_h> thanx for the help today
[16:37] <Kilos> you welcome
[16:38] <Happy_h> cheers
[16:38] <Kilos> cheers for now , see you soon
[17:12] <Xsm> hey Cryterion Na3iL
[17:12] <Cryterion> hi
[17:12] <Na3iL> Hello o/
[17:44] <Kilos> xsm
[17:44] <Kilos> look in your router
[17:45] <Kilos> there is some place i saw that times out
[17:45] <Kilos> lots of numbers
[17:45] <Kilos> but its seconds
[17:45] <Kilos> add lots more
[17:49] <Kilos> hi fusionsparc Sxuza iqbal
[17:50] <Sxuza> hey Kilos :)
[17:50] <Sxuza> what u guys upto ?
[17:51] <Kilos> resting now, had a good run trying to get a vodsfone webbook to work
[17:51] <Kilos> vodafone
[17:51] <Kilos> no harddrive all onboard
[17:52] <Xsm> okay I will look into that
[17:52] <Kilos> inetpro you can breathe easy
[17:53] <Xsm> ty
[17:53] <Kilos> i  think i added three ooo at the end
[17:53] <Kilos> hope it helps boy
[17:54] <Xsm> trying to make the ssh work, or understand it before I try to make it work lol
[17:54] <Kilos> but at least you are connecting again so you getting there
[17:54] <fusionsparc> Hey Kilos
[17:54] <fusionsparc> Been well?
[17:54] <Kilos> dont forget the password Xsm
[17:55] <Kilos> yes ty fusionsparc and you?
[17:55] <Xsm> I am busy trying to understand that
[17:55] <fusionsparc> been good.
[17:57] <Sxuza> what do u guys think of the future of internet radio stations ?
[17:59] <fusionsparc> Been there for ages, quite competitive as anyone can start a stream these day...imo..
[18:00] <Xsm> Not sure what they are exactly?
[18:02] <Kilos> data hogs
[18:02] <Kilos> only for cable peeps
[18:03] <Kilos> oh my gone again
[18:03] <Kilos> wb Xsm
[18:04] <Xsm> ty
[18:04] <Kilos> do you have another sim from another isp you can test with
[18:04] <Kilos> then you will see if its the sim
[18:04] <Kilos> or just fone them and ask but whyyyyy
[18:04] <Kilos> 183
[18:06] <Kilos> shame another guy in bangladesh has similar prob and after many part joins freenode or irc kicked him for 240 minutes
[18:21] <Kilos> Xsm is ssh difficult
[18:21] <Kilos> when i had a server here it was simple but they were direct cable connected
[18:22] <Kilos> do you want to ssh from a windows machine
[18:29] <Xsm> both windows and linux
[18:30] <Xsm> But just setting up what to do through cli with the passwords etc
[18:30] <Kilos> is the path through the router the prob
[18:30] <Kilos> ip i static hey
[18:31] <Kilos> must be or how will you know what ip to ssh to
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz seen mopkop
[18:31] <Maaz> Kilos: mopkop was last seen 8 months, 20 days, 37 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-23 10:53:49 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-23 11:23:11 PDT
[18:32] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <Xsm> I ping the server but can't login into it because of password
[18:37] <Kilos> you must know the servers password
[18:37] <Xsm> it doesn't work on that password
[18:37] <Kilos> oh my
[18:37] <Kilos> what password does it want them
[18:38] <Kilos> then
[18:38] <Kilos> dont you see a popup with an allow option
[18:38] <Kilos> on the server that is
[18:40] <Xsm> no
[18:40] <Kilos> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> good luck boy
[18:42] <Kilos> i must sleep
[18:42] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[18:50] <Xsm> eish - missed him
[19:27] <Cryterion> night everyone


[03:54] <pedrucho> can anyone help me opening plugin manager in ardour?
[03:57] <pedrucho> i found out ty
[12:20] <TerranceWarrior> distrozapper
[12:36] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[12:37] <eagles0513875> I am working with the lmms community and currently there was an issue with the wrong branch being packaged and ended up in 14.04 are there any packagers in here for a little bit of a discussion please
[12:56] <wachin> Now I find the program JackEQ which is what I needed
[12:58] <wachin> Only one question, I use Ardour2 to record my voice when made karaoke, do you know if are some patch for Ardour3 because not working the export audio
[12:59] <wachin> yesterday I installed Ardour 3 from AVLinux http://bandshed.net/avlinux6-debs/ , thinking that perhaps working, but no, not working
[13:02] <wachin> Let me ask you if Ardour3 export as audio, either in FLAC, WAV or OGV, to some of you
[14:57] <zequence> eagles0513875: Really?
[14:57] <zequence> eagles0513875: We weren't involved more than in testing it and supporting its inclusion
[14:57] <zequence> eagles0513875: What's wrong with it?
[14:59] <eagles0513875> zequence: i found out the issue and i am working on resolving it. as there are features that are in 14.04 version that were in master only and the person who made the package used the wrong branch.  I have a solution alreaady but it will require waiting until 14.10 is open for new software and releasing a 1.0.1 version and SRU it to 14.04
[14:59] <eagles0513875> zequence: has features which are still super duper buggy which should not have been there like watsyn and monstro for example as well as some FX channel stuff that is still a WIP
[15:02] <zequence> eagles0513875: Ok. Yeah, better SRU that then.
[15:03] <eagles0513875> Maybe instead waiting until 14.10 cycle starts maybe SRU it now the package builder already has a package built
[15:03] <eagles0513875> needs some further discussion
[15:04] <eagles0513875> i wish one thing big for LMMS it becomes RT safe. there was a dev working on a new core but the problem he has is time to integrate it :(
[15:04] <eagles0513875> ill be back
[15:04] <zequence> eagles0513875: I'm going to ask to rebuild our ISO within a day or two, so if you want to try get it in before that, it would work for Ubuntu Studio.
[15:04] <zequence> eagles0513875: If you file a bug report, I can help promoting the cause of uploading it
[15:05] <eagles0513875> zequence: ok I will keep you updated but if we SRU 1.0.1 how long will an SRU take?
[15:05] <zequence> None of the Ubuntu Studio devs have upload rights currently, so we have to rely on others
[15:05] <eagles0513875> thats no problem the problem that cropped up is our packager is still a novice in this respect
[15:05] <eagles0513875> ill be back as i need to relocate and we can continue the discussion
[15:06] <zequence> eagles0513875: There is a slight chance you can do that now, within one day. But, otherwise, we need to wait until the development of 14.10 starts, upload the new version and then SRU it. That may take a few weeks, depending
[15:07] <zequence> In either case, we will announce known issues with the final release and ask users to be patient for updates
[15:32] <eagles0513875> zequence: thanks :) that would be appreciated
[15:36] <TerranceWarrior> I do miss the old yellow sun. :(
[15:40] <eagles0513875> zequence: are there any developers in here right now?
[15:48] <zequence> eagles0513875: I'm one
[15:48] <eagles0513875> zequence: would you be up for helping out lmms with something which we greatly need?
[15:57] <zequence> eagles0513875: I can't upload it (none of the Ubuntu Studio devs have upload rights), but I can help promote it's cause, and test it
[15:57] <eagles0513875> zequence: has nothign to do with this issue at this stage
[15:57] <eagles0513875> zequence: you mentioned a bug earlier should I file a bug against lmms
[15:57] <zequence> eagles0513875: If you are willing to go though with doing a bug report, explaining the reasons for the upload and so forth, I can help making a case for it
[15:58] <eagles0513875> ok.
[15:58] <zequence> eagles0513875: Do a bug report. Explain the reasons. Link to the package source. Then, subscribe ubuntu-release and ubuntu-sponsors
[15:58] <eagles0513875> ok one step at a time here lol
[16:03] <eagles0513875> zequence: do i file the bug here or on the lmms page on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lmms
[16:07] <zequence> eagles0513875: That link will do fine
[16:07] <eagles0513875> Would i need to specify the stuff that should not be in there?
[16:10] <eagles0513875> zequence: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lmms/+bug/1307591
[16:10] <eagles0513875> if you want to comment there feel free to comment there.
[16:10] <eagles0513875> what is the next stage zequence
[16:11] <zequence> eagles0513875: You have a bzr branch with the source for the new package?
[16:11] <eagles0513875> zequence: we have one problem though
[16:11] <eagles0513875> I believe we do but not sure if its up to date
[16:12] <zequence> eagles0513875: Oh, we could head over to #ubuntustudio-devel btw (since this is a bit off topic here)
[16:12] <eagles0513875> as we use git
[16:12] <eagles0513875> ok zequence
[18:25] <yorwos> hi all , ubuntu 13.10 , running dispalgui <IP_ADDRESS> to calibrate my monitor with spyder4 , it makes the profile but it wont install it , it says "Failed to import file. The profile was not added in time." any guess what to do ?
[18:28] <yorwos> the dispalgui is updated last version , not the stock ubuntu studio (didnt know i have it in first place heh)
[18:31] <yorwos> is there any other way to install to system the profile dispalgui created ? the icc file is created i see many files inside a folder with the profile name i gave
[18:47] <yorwos> should i try get the older version of dispalgui that ub.studio came with and try to install the icc from it ?
[18:48] <zequence> yorwos: I have a feeling not many here use that tool
[18:48] <zequence> None of the devs are particularly into graphics
[22:47] <delt> oops


[00:38]  * dzho guess paultag is going to do a flyover AGAIN
[00:39] <dzho> wave to us when you go by, paultag
[00:53] <gilbert> howdy ohio :)
[00:57] <Unit193> Howdy, gilbert
[00:57] <gilbert> what up Unit193
[00:57] <Unit193> Not a ton, telling a couple about /remove
[00:57] <Unit193> You?
[00:58] <gilbert> playing with the doom3 source code :)
[00:58] <Unit193> Heh, I'm good with Gish and Xonotic for now :P
[00:59] <Unit193> Waiting for the snow to dump, and had an UH this week
[01:18] <gilbert> is there going to be snow?
[01:18] <gilbert> i thought it was supposed to get warm again
[02:50] <Unit193> WEATHER 44906
[02:50] <Unit193> Sorry...
[02:52] <Unit193> Note: I hate caps lock, messes with irssi binds :/
[18:45] <paultag> ok, hai all, give me a few hours, I'm more hung over then most days


[02:01] <Muscovy> Cool revision going up.
[02:02] <Muscovy> I've added support for default application detecting, and integrated it into the front page a little?
[02:02] <Muscovy> Use Chromium? The web link takes you to that page. Firefox? You go to the Firefox page.
[02:26] <Omega> Awesome!