[05:41] <mikael_> Hmm my usb camera (fujifilm a310) is detected by the kernel. But no /dev devices are created. Is there someway that I can create one myself ? Dmesg tells me this : usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5
[05:42] <amiroff> Riddell: kde seems to lock up and keyboard does not work to do the Ctrl
[05:42] <amiroff> Riddell: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace thing
[05:42] <dud> read the gphoto manual on setting usb permissions mikael_
[05:42] <dud> its a straigth forward copy-paste job :)
[05:42] <dud> did wonders for my camera
[05:42] <mikael_> dud, so not having a dev entry is normal ?
[05:42] <dud> mikael_, http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html
[05:43] <mikael_> thanks .. i'll try it
[05:43] <dud> it uses hotplug to dynamically detect your camera and load it when you plug it in
[05:43] <amiroff> Riddell: it happens everytime I try it yeah, but now, it does not after disabling sound server, strange indeed
[05:43] <dud> the easiest is to setup usbcam.user in that guide
[05:43] <dud> or usbcam.group
[05:43] <setite> nah there are easier ways
[05:44] <setite> jp.. i dont know anythign abotu cameras
[05:44] <setite> i wish my cellphone would connect to linux... thats my camera
[05:45] <dud> hows linux bluetooth support btw?
[05:45] <amiroff> Riddell: does your KDE run smoothly on Hoary ?
[05:45] <dud> barely working? no workie?
[05:45] <Riddell> amiroff: yep, runs perfectly, arts and all (and mac OS style menu bar)
[05:46] <ironwolf> in OOo->draw how do I make the grid dots darker/more visible?
[05:46] <amiroff> Riddell: great to hear that :)
[05:47] <Riddell> amiroff: I'm not sure how else to help, I guess you could submit a report to bugzilla.ubuntu.com with as much information as possible and see if anyone else has the same problem
[05:48] <Riddell> amiroff: does it happen when you just play a sound:  artsplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Error_1.ogg
[05:48] <fraggsta> I've been having a big problem with Ubuntu.
[05:48] <fraggsta> Since Nvidia's drivers version 6629 won't work with my card, I need to use version 6111.
[05:48] <ironwolf> fraggsta: what's your question?
[05:48] <amiroff> Riddell: nope, it plays just fine
[05:49] <fraggsta> there doesn't appear to be any package for that version of the Nvidia drivers, so I had to use makekpkg to compile my own kernel, and then manually install the drivers.
[05:49] <amiroff> Riddell: I am afraid to enable arts again because I have rebooted over 8-9 times this hour :)
[05:49] <fraggsta> Unfortunately, every time I shut down and restart, Ubuntu is doing something that overwrites the manually installed Nvidia drivers and stopping X.org from starting.
[05:50] <Riddell> amiroff: hmm, tricky
[05:50] <fraggsta> I don't have any other kernels than the one I compiled myself installed, and I don't have the restricted-modules package installed either
[05:50] <fraggsta> so what is doing this on boot?
[05:51] <amiroff> Riddell: any idea on why does Ubuntu not ship with font hinting enabled? it improves the look very much
[05:51] <fraggsta> and is there a package for version 6111 of nvidia's drivers?
[05:51] <wasabi_> amblin: it does.
[05:51] <wasabi_> amiroff: it does
[05:52] <amiroff> wasabi_: I mean freetype autohinter
[05:52] <amiroff> wasabi_: the thing you turn on in /etc/fonts/local.conf
[05:53] <bretzel> Hi all :-) need the command for apt-get for nvidia-glx and the config command - Forgot those -
[05:53] <wasabi_> oh, AUTO hinting for non hinted fonts.
[05:53] <bretzel> I've changed my Motherbaord and re-sintalled Ubuntu - need to re-do ALL :-(
[05:54] <bretzel> what is the nvidia pkg name for that 3d accel ??
[05:54] <amiroff> wasabi_: yeah, after enabling that, fonts rock here, better than macos and windows rendering I can say
[05:55] <ironwolf> Found answer.  Thanks.
[05:56] <bretzel> Oh! -- oh my forget my request!!!! I know ubuntu support site is full of the needed answers!! :-) forgive me for my silly behaivour :-)
[05:56] <linuxboy> bretzel: forgiven
[06:04] <bretzel> linuxboy: :-) thanks - just finished to install the pkgs, -
[06:04] <bretzel> restarting :-)
[06:06] <srid> modpython still depends on python2.3
[06:07] <srid> but I only have python2.4 installed
[06:07] <srid> how do I install modpython _for_ python2.4?
[06:07] <tony_> Still having problems with pppoeconf...
[06:08] <tony_> After reboot I get following error: tony@Perez ~ $ sudo pon dsl-provider
[06:08] <tony_> Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.
[06:08] <tony_> Linux kernel does not support PPPoE -- are you running 2.4.x?
[06:09] <KingCiro> hola alguien habla espaol aqui?
[06:09] <tony_> Can anybody tell me why pppoedoesn't want to work after reboot?
[06:10] <Ex-Cyber> srid: weird, apt-get wants to grab libapache2-mod-python-2.4 for me... have you updated lately?
[06:10] <srid> i updated 5 hrs before
[06:11] <tony_> Do I need to put the pppoe module somewhere?
[06:11] <srid> Ex-Cyber, are u using official mirror?
[06:12] <Ex-Cyber> srid: possibly not
[06:12] <froud> wharty base system installation error - The debootstrap program exited with error. Anyone know why this happens?
[06:12] <srid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:12] <srid>   libapache-mod-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[06:12] <srid> i updated
[06:12] <srid> still depends on 2.3
[06:13] <Ex-Cyber> srid: nm, was looking at libapache2-mod-python
[06:13] <Ex-Cyber> and you are looking at libapache-mod-python
[06:13] <srid> Ex-Cyber, oh
[06:13] <srid> i did apt-cache search modpython
[06:13] <srid> which *only* returned  libapache-mod-python
[06:14] <froud> System installation into /target/ failed
[06:15] <Ex-Cyber> KingCiro: #ubuntu-es
[06:15] <trey3> srid, I see libapache2-mod-python2.4 in hoary (which is where python2.4 is...)
[06:15] <spiral> hi
[06:15] <srid> it works
[06:16] <neighborlee> I changed warty to hoary in apt sources and installed new nvidia-glx along with other dependencies ( just few)...rebooted ( to find several duplicate entries in grub menu for starters) and while I got kernel to boot ok I had trouble with nvidia driver ..it said kernel module was 6111 yet something else was 6629 ??? ( so I had to revert to warty and reinstall 6111 nvidia driver).....
[06:16] <fraggsta> so is there no way at all to use a non-packaged version of the nvidia drivers and not have them break every time I reboot?
[06:16] <trey3> srid, hmm... even in hoary though, seems libapache2-mod-python depends python >= 2.4?
[06:17] <trey3> srid, when was the last time you apt-get update'd?
[06:17] <srid> trey3, just now
[06:17] <srid> now i am installing libapache2-mod-python .. which depends in python2.4 :)
[06:17] <trey3> ok... much better  :)
[06:18] <srid> trey3, have you programmed using modpython?
[06:18] <KingCiro> Ex-Cyber Idon?t know how acces it
[06:19] <trey3> srid, nah... just know how to use the package system  ;)
[06:19] <Ex-Cyber> KingCiro: I don't know if it will work in Opera, but try this: /join #ubuntu-es
[06:25] <LinuxJones> hey everybody
[06:26] <neighborlee> another thing..why are linux-sources <IP_ADDRESS> not same as default installed kernel of <IP_ADDRESS>-2-i386 ??..this is preventing me from intalling nvidia drivers the normal way ;((
[06:29] <typo> my ubuntu CD is broken
[06:29] <typo> can I do a network install instead?
[06:30] <typo> the cd boots and installs
[06:30] <typo> but starts to get very slow when reading some sectors
[06:30] <typo> if I could tell it to fetch the packages elsewhere it would probably work
[06:30] <trey3> typo, I kind of wish there was a network install option...
[06:30] <typo> trey3: ok, then
[06:30] <typo> I'll burn another CD
[06:30] <typo> off to buy a CD then
[06:31] <LinuxJones> trey3, Network install form the LiveCD would be awesome :D
[06:32] <trey3> LinuxJones, eh... still too much to download and burn...
[06:32] <trey3> LinuxJones, my favorate thing about Fedora is that their boot.iso image can be used to install... its just over 5 megs!!!
[06:33] <Seminole> Anyone know what package installs gnomeConf.sh??
[06:33] <trey3> LinuxJones, something simular would be awesome!
[06:33] <randabis> yeah ideally you could install from the network with a floppy or two
[06:34] <randabis> that would rock
[06:34] <trey3> Seminole, apt-get install apt-file and apt-get search the_file
[06:34] <nxterra> How can I install a custom ubuntu warty (ie, openoffice,gimp,gaim,xchat,firefox,evolution,gnome) thats all.  How do I update to the lastest versions of these apps or update to (hoary).  This is only thing keeping me from switching from Fedora core 3
[06:34] <trey3> uhh... apt-file search
[06:34] <LinuxJones> trey3, Fedora has alot of nice features but needs a real package mgmt. system.
[06:34] <trey3> nxterra, boot with 'custom'.
[06:34] <jmones> Hello! I need to find /usr/include/X11/Xauth.h but it's not in xlibs-static-dev as in Debian. Where is it?
[06:35] <randabis> doesn't custom do a minimal install? thought it was linux custom...not sure
[06:35] <trey3> LinuxJones, yes... once you install Ubuntu once.. provided nothing breaks... you never need do it again... but still... such a large image  :(
[06:35] <nxterra> trey3, thanks...can you suggest a step by step install guide for someone like me that has little expererience with linux?
[06:35] <trey3> randabis, custom lets you select via aptitude...
[06:35] <randabis> ah okay
[06:35] <LinuxJones> trey3, thankfully :D
[06:36] <neofeed> hmmm okay I did a major mistake :) System has two users: root, einstein. now I ran 'sudo usermod -l max einstein'
[06:36] <thenuke> nxterra: hmm, why you want to update to hoary? it still is very unstable as far as I know. You for sure might have to re-install everything if you update to hoary :)
[06:36] <neofeed> and I sucessfully locked me out... gotta do some init=/bin/bash next time I'm on that box...
[06:36] <trey3> nxterra, you'd basically be using straight debian-install ... there are many howto's for that... search 'debian-installer howto' via google...
[06:37] <nxterra> thenuke, I am off from work today and bored really. :) ... I just want to see it :)
[06:37] <randabis> I don't think it is that unstable personally. It's gotten a lot better really
[06:37] <thenuke> I think that hoary is not that different you would see about anything different?
[06:37] <trey3> thenuke, I'm using it... not very unstable at all... of course major things cause headaches (like the menu problems)
[06:37] <Seminole> It's in package libgnome-dev
[06:38] <thenuke> trey3: yup, but many who have done it, have had to reinstall
[06:38] <Seminole> I searched all over and wouldn't you know it.  As soon as I ask, I find a good link on the Debian website..
[06:38] <trey3> thenuke, other then playing with new toys like transparency... and seeing whats new with GNOME 2.9... not much different at all...
[06:38] <jmones> Seminole: do you refer to Xauth.h?
[06:38] <Seminole> no
[06:38] <thenuke> is there a lot new things in that gnome?
[06:38] <randabis> there's also ALOT of updated packages
[06:39] <trey3> thenuke, nothing huge... no...
[06:39] <thenuke> mmkay
[06:39] <duckdown> Hi.. I'm recompiling into kernel 2.6.10, but it's hanging on boot giving me about 15 error messages saying ERROR: Cannot read MAC address on /dev/tun*  .. I dont need these /dev/tun things! and I've disabled ETHERTAP and TUNNELING in my menuconfig but something is still calling this! help!
[06:40] <trey3> duckdown, any reason you're not just using the recompiled? didn't get into warty-updates or anything?
[06:40] <trey3> actually... that prolly wouldn't huh?  :/
[06:40] <trey3> duckdown, don't mind me
[06:40] <duckdown> :[
[06:41] <pusling> hmm... where do I tell gdm and gnome what keyboard-layout I want to use ?
[06:42] <duckdown> speaking of cheesy GDM.. why the hell wont it start
[06:42] <duckdown> my screen will flicker black
[06:42] <pusling> duckdown: wrong configuration of xfree ?
[06:42] <duckdown> then i have to pick DISABLE for now.. then i look at the logs and it says 'no screens available'
[06:42] <duckdown> i've edited XF86Conf like 8 times
[06:42] <duckdown> its fine
[06:43] <duckdown> maybe it doenst like Nvidia 6800 GT's
[06:43] <trey3> pusling, dpkg-reconfigure debconf... set to 'low' ... then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86...
[06:43] <LinuxJones> pusling, you do that on the gdm login screen.
[06:43] <trey3> pusling, enless you don't mind playing with the file?
[06:43] <pusling> trey3: I have a costumized xmodmap-file, that I want to use
[06:44] <LinuxJones> duckdown, did you install the nvidia binary driver ?
[06:44] <duckdown> no
[06:44] <duckdown> :]
[06:44] <duckdown> this is a brand new install.. first time using ubuntu
[06:44] <eruin> anyone experiencing fuzzy sound lately?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> duckdown, you have nv for the video card driver to use or vesa ?
[06:44] <DudeX> are there any howtos for setting up a local repository?
[06:44] <duckdown> LinuxJones: nope, it says nv
[06:44] <pusling> duckdown: are you half-experienced user - or new user ?
[06:44] <trey3> pusling, bah... ok... Keyboard section of XF86Config (or xorg.conf) ... XkbLayout ...
[06:45] <duckdown> pusling: experienced enough to know there is nothing wrong with my xf86config
[06:45] <nxterra> is there anyway to install hoary development without install warty first and then upgrading?
[06:45] <LinuxJones> duckdown, you can have a look @ /var/log/XFree86.0.log it might provide some information
[06:45] <pusling> duckdown: okay... (Else I would just boot on a ubuntu-live or a knoppix and steal the config-files)
[06:45] <randabis> odds are you don't have restricted modules installed with your new kernel
[06:46] <SirFred> Hi. I would like to know why my ubuntu does not set DMA=1 on my cdrom drive.
[06:46] <randabis> you should change it to vesa until you download and install the nvidia binary driver
[06:46] <SirFred> I have:
[06:46] <SirFred> PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[06:46] <SirFred>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1c10-0x1c17, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
[06:46] <SirFred>     ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1c18-0x1c1f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
[06:46] <SirFred> hdc is my cd drive.
[06:46] <SirFred> Later
[06:46] <SirFred> Probing IDE interface ide1...
[06:46] <SirFred> hdc: SONY CD-RW/DVD-ROM CRX810E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[06:46] <spiral> hmmm... any new about smart batteries driver ?
[06:46] <SirFred> But no mention on DMA.
[06:46] <LinuxJones> DudeX, you would need apt-proxy to setup a local repository for several systems to use.
[06:47] <SirFred>  hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[06:47] <SirFred> /dev/hdc:
[06:47] <SirFred>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[06:47] <duckdown> randabis: where do i obtain these nvidia drivers.. nvidia.com ?
[06:47] <LinuxJones> SirFred, plsease stop spamming
[06:47] <SirFred> I tried to workaround this, just configuring hdparm to enable DMA on the CD.
[06:47] <randabis> theoretically you CAN grab the 2.6.10 linux image and restricted modules from hoary and install them into warty...some people have does this anyway
[06:47] <LinuxJones> duckdown, have a look here >> http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:47] <SirFred> LinuxJones: Well, it's not a full dmesg, just three lines.
[06:48] <SirFred> LinuxJones: I was trying to explain my problem, and selecting only the interesting lines.
[06:48] <randabis> duckdown, yes
[06:48] <duckdown> Fatal Error: No Screens Found
[06:48] <duckdown> thats what var/log/xf86 comes down to
[06:49] <SirFred> LinuxJones: So, what do you suggest me? I can just say "it doesn't work"
[06:49] <randabis> you should edit your xf86config-4 and change nv to vesa
[06:49] <duckdown> alright, let me try
[06:49] <randabis> odds are you didn't include the nvidia driver with your custom kernel
[06:49] <LinuxJones> SirFred, dude relax
[06:50] <randabis> SirFred there are places to post things like that though...like #flood or www.pastebin.com
[06:50] <gumpish> Dur, am I crazy or on some chipset/distro combinations is there a way to find the temperature of the CPU in /proc/acpi ?
[06:51] <KingCiro> somebody speak in spanish
[06:51] <nxterra> what ever happened to http://rafb.net/paste/
[06:51] <SirFred> It was only 8 lines.
[06:51] <SirFred> KingCiro: I speak spanish.
[06:51] <jmones> KingCiro, me too if you need somebody else
[06:51] <KingCiro> hola SirFred
[06:52] <KingCiro> de que cuernos estan hablando aca
[06:52] <SirFred> KingCiro: Ubuntu, una distribucin de Linux basada en debian.
[06:52] <KingCiro> ahh
[06:52] <KingCiro> gracias
[06:52] <DudeX> LinuxJones, Thanks I'll check it out
[06:52] <LinuxJones> DudeX, gl :)
[06:52] <SirFred> KingCiro: No se merecen.
[06:52] <KingCiro> que no se merecen?
[06:53] <SirFred> KingCiro: Las gracias
[06:53] <KingCiro> porque?
[06:53] <SirFred> KingCiro: En Espaa se responde as muchas veces, a las gracias.
[06:53] <SirFred> KingCiro: Es como quien dice "de nada"
[06:53] <jmones> KingCiro: mira el canal #ubuntu-es para tener informacin de ubuntu en espaol
[06:53] <KingCiro> perdona mi ignorancia
[06:54] <SirFred> KingCiro: Supongo que no eres espaol, por eso te habr chocado.
[06:54] <KingCiro> queria hacerte un ultima pregunta y no te molesto mas...
[06:54] <randabis> wow I actually understand that somewhat :p
[06:54] <Fator_Dee> me too
[06:54] <SirFred> KingCiro: A mi no me molestas en absoluto, no s al resto.
[06:54] <KingCiro> no
[06:54] <KingCiro> creo que si
[06:54] <SirFred> KingCiro: Por?
[06:55] <KingCiro> ayer me echaron aunque estaba hablando en Ingles
[06:55] <KingCiro> porque me insultaron y respondi!
[06:55] <SirFred> KingCiro: Bueno, no hay que llegar a eso.
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> but still, you should go to #ubuntu-es
[06:55] <wasabi_> Is there a notification program for new email with evolution?
[06:55] <SirFred> KingCiro: esto es un canal de ayuda, para charlar, no para insultarse. Y de todos modos, hay un canal en espaol.
[06:56] <KingCiro> la pregunta que te iba a hacer es si sabes como conseguir una cuenta shell?
[06:56] <SirFred> KingCiro: Ni idea.
[06:56] <KingCiro> ok I now speak in English
[06:57] <SirFred> I've seen that ide-cd is loaded after hdparm is started on startup. Is that right? I think that's the reason hdparm is not finding my /dev/hdc. Could be?
[06:58] <crypticreign> can anyone get mp4(quicktime) moveis to play with totem
[06:58] <SirFred> On that way, I'm not able to put dma-mode on in my cdrom drive automatically
[06:58] <SirFred> crypticreign: You're talking about totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:58] <KingCiro> you see fator_dee? he ask me I go out
[06:59] <crypticreign> SirFred: er um.. hmm, didnt know there was two.. i think totem-xine
[06:59] <SirFred> crypticreign: What package have you installed?
[06:59] <randabis> for mp4 playback, you need w32codecs
[06:59] <SirFred> randabis: And totem-xine, isn't it?
[06:59] <randabis> not sure, I use gxine myself
[06:59] <KingCiro> how I do to go to ubuntu-es?
[07:00] <SirFred> I'm not able to play near anything, with totem-gstreamer.
[07:00] <randabis> King /join #ubuntu-es
[07:00] <SirFred> KingCiro: Just type /join #ubuntu-es
[07:01] <KingCiro> thank you SirFred you?re a gentleman!
[07:01] <randabis> I'm installing totem-xine now to check it out
[07:01] <SirFred> KingCiro: One of the last ones.
[07:01] <crypticreign> SirFred: totem-gstreamer.. it appears i cant have both totem-gstreamer and totem-xine
[07:01] <SirFred> randabis: Yes, with totem-xine is working fine for me.
[07:01] <SirFred> crypticreign: No, they conflicts.
[07:02] <SirFred> crypticreign: No, they conflict.
[07:02] <crypticreign> ok, so i need to install totem-xine and download which package for w32
[07:02] <SirFred> crypticreign: But, it's only 70 or 80 Kb download.
[07:02] <SirFred> crypticreign: w32codecs
[07:02] <crypticreign> ok
[07:02] <crypticreign> thanks
[07:02] <randabis> gah
[07:02] <KingCiro> I am in ubuntu-es but nobody here
[07:03] <SirFred> Nobody? Let's see
[07:03] <SirFred> KingCiro: 14 people is nobody?
[07:03] <randabis> gah no sound in totem-xine and the playback isn't great
[07:03] <SirFred> randabis: I have sound on totem-xine.
[07:04] <SirFred> randabis: And the playback is not bad.
[07:04] <randabis> well I didn't have sound in totem-gstreamer either...
[07:05] <randabis> and it seems the preferences menu is severely lacking
[07:05] <SirFred> randabis: gnome style.
[07:05] <randabis> I have a feeling it's just not using esd
[07:05] <randabis> but since these preferences menus SUCK, I can't change the output plugins
[07:06] <randabis> guess I'll go on back to gxine...at least that works correctly
[07:06] <SirFred> randabis: I suppose they think that the average user don't need to know even what a plugin is
[07:07] <randabis> gah
[07:07] <randabis> I'm gonna try something to verify if that's what's wrong
[07:07] <SirFred> randabis: Now that I see the preferences menu on gxine, I understand why you think the totem ones are poor.
[07:07] <lobo_nz> randabis: I have been using vlc from www.videolan.org It seems to play everything except .wmv and .rm playback is good for me
[07:07] <randabis> vlc is so friggin' ugly though
[07:07] <SirFred> Well, my totem-xine is also able to play rm.
[07:08] <SirFred> lobo_nz: Is vlc interface gtk2, at least?
[07:08] <randabis> no vlc is gtk 1
[07:08] <crypticreign> hmm, no sound with totem-xine
[07:08] <lobo_nz> randabis: yup, but in full screen I cant see it
[07:08] <SirFred> Buff, I can't live with that.
[07:08] <SirFred> lobo_nz: :)
[07:09] <randabis> YEP
[07:09] <randabis> totem-xine is NOT using esd
[07:09] <lobo_nz> SirFred: not sure its got a rip off quicktime skin by default, I'll take a look
[07:09] <randabis> as soon as I killed esd it plays sound
[07:09] <randabis> that's bull
[07:09] <randabis> now to figure out how in the hell you are supposed to change that
[07:10] <SirFred> My totem-xine is using /dev/snd/controlC0 and /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p directly
[07:10] <lobo_nz> SirFred: no its not GTK2 very ugly
[07:10] <SirFred> And I have esd also started.
[07:11] <randabis> I don't know then...
[07:11] <randabis> I just know it started playing sound as soon as I killed esd
[07:11] <SirFred> randabis: And you're using alsa?
[07:11] <randabis> yes
[07:11] <SirFred> randabis: Perhaps your sound card doesn't allow that
[07:12] <randabis> I'm using the nforce2 alsa drivers in hoary
[07:13] <drac> omg, big channel. ubuntu offer similar netinstaller than debiansarge somewhere? going to change from debian sid to ubuntu now.
[07:16] <Stew2> If there are two users, User account Bla is member of the group Blagroup, and User Admin is member of the group Admingroup. And User Admin is member of Blagroup, I want Admin user to be able to read and write user account Bla's files. Why can't I? Permissions are R&W for the group Blagroup.
[07:16] <melazyboy> then he can
[07:16] <melazyboy> something is wrong
[07:16] <HappyFool> maybe the directory permissions are wrong
[07:17] <Stew2> checking it out
[07:17] <melazyboy> yea if you can create new files then it could be the directory permissions
[07:17] <melazyboy> you should still be able to edit prexisting files though
[07:17] <randabis> drac iirc, the ubuntu installer is exactly the same as the sarge installer
[07:18] <Stew2> Yup. The user account Bla's home folder does not have Write permissions for the group.
[07:18] <Stew2> Neither does the subfolder 'files' I'm working in.
[07:19] <Stew2> When I change the permissions for Bla's home folder, how do I make that propigate? CHMOD -R something or other?
[07:19] <Stew2> propigate=recurse
[07:19] <HappyFool> yip
[07:19] <HappyFool> chmod --help
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Stew2: yes, chmod -R should do it
[07:20] <Stew2> CHMOD is a daunting tool. Not that 'I' can't use it. I'm more interested in finding out how to fix the problem through the GUI.
[07:20] <Stew2> I work with other users who are not as handy.
[07:21] <Stew2> Do I tell them to log in as root? Is there a way to sudo open a folder through the gui?
[07:21] <Stew2> These are just workstations, not critical servers or anything.
[07:21] <HappyFool> can you maybe use nautilus for this?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> Stew2: *DON'T* tell them to log in as root!
[07:21] <Stew2> HappyFool That's what I meant.
[07:21] <Stew2> I don't remember the different names right away for the myriad of components that make up the desktop.
[07:22] <HappyFool> right-click on folder -> properties-permissions
[07:22] <Stew2> Can nautilus open a folder in a "Run As..." fashion?
[07:23] <Stew2> HappyFool: You're right, but if the 'admin' account I'm logged in as doesn't have the priveledge of changing other account's folders, how do I affect that change?
[07:23] <HappyFool> err, dunno
[07:23] <Stew2> I followed the setup of Ubuntu, creating this admin account. Then I created a 'Bla' account to test it out.
[07:23] <HappyFool> ideally the owner should be doing that anyway (?)
[07:23] <Stew2> HappyFool If I was logged in interactively as root, this would be easy.
[07:24] <Stew2> I'm looking at making this so a computer admin, someone who isn't terribly linux savvy, can say, do this kind of stuff.
[07:24] <HappyFool> what sort of things does he/she need to be able to do?
[07:24] <Stew2> Can I 'sudo nautilus'?
[07:24] <Fator_Dee> Stew2: yes
[07:25] <thoreauputic> Stew2: yes, you can sudo nautilus
[07:25] <KingCiro> SirFred forgive me they don?t talk with me!
[07:25] <Stew2> Okay, I can handle explaining that, and the caveats.
[07:26] <Stew2> HappyFool: Just general administrative file management stuff. I don't want them to have to drop to a terminal to act as root when changing permissions, etc. I'd like them to be able to do that through the file mangler, in this case, nautilus.
[07:26] <Stew2> HappyFool: It's not that they don't understand the gravity of what they are doing by changing permissions, they are human beings. They're just not programmers and not used to having to do anything from the command line.
[07:27] <Stew2> HappyFool: They are already enthusiastic about Ubuntu and linux/open source in general. I'm helping there enthusiasm.
[07:27] <Stew2> there=their
[07:27] <Fator_Dee> but it won't be that hard to teach them something about terminal use
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Stew2: a script in your menu that asks for a password to run nautilus in "admin" mode would be relatively simple
[07:27] <Fator_Dee> even a little
[07:28] <Stew2> Fator_Dee: Mabye, mabye not. These people -aren't- programmers. Neither am I, although I've compiled mplayer and done a little bit of stuff.
[07:28] <Stew2> Fator_Dee: With the ubuntu distro, I'm really stressing the 'human' side of it.
[07:28] <HappyFool> Stew2: look for some on-line tuts for "introduction to linux". try en.tldp.org. and, if the machines are networked, consider running sshd so you can shell in to do admin
[07:30] <abelli> 19:29 < froud> /usr/bin/debootstrap: 1: echo: not found
[07:30] <abelli> 19:29 < froud> Segmentation Fault
[07:30] <Stew2> HappyFool: I'll be in sweden. These machines are behind a router and I don't have port forwarding turned on. I'm showing how they can 'sudo nautilus'. If they screw it up, stick the install cd in from the distro and start over (and don't do whatever you did again, or ask first on google/linux or #ubuntu)
[07:30] <abelli> can anyone help?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Stew2: there's a program "gksu" that pops up a dialog box to ask for a password, for instance, though I think that requires a root password
[07:30] <Fator_Dee> Stew2: at least tell them about man
[07:30] <thoreauputic> could be something similar for sudo
[07:30] <HappyFool> oh, there's a gksudo as well
[07:30] <_4strO> I'm listening -- Title: ( /mnt/musique1/MUSIQUE I/FUNK - SOUL/Craig David - Slicker Than Your Average/  -  ) Time: ( 2:05/3:53 (53%) ) BitRate: ( 192 kbit/s - 44100 Hz ) Volume: ( 100% )
[07:30] <Stew2> thoreauputic: That might work then, thanks. Like I said, this isn't some all-important terminal server.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> aha!
[07:30] <HappyFool> look at the entry for "Root terminal"
[07:31] <thoreauputic> gksudo would be it
[07:31] <HappyFool> Stew2: gksudo should make it easy for the user to go to Nautilus as superuser -- no terminals needed
[07:31] <Stew2> So I run this app, gksudo, it asks me for the app I want to run?
[07:32] <thoreauputic> Stew2: I think you would do "gksudo nautilus" as a script
[07:32] <HappyFool> no, not even
[07:32] <Fator_Dee> http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/
[07:32] <thoreauputic> so you make a menu entry for that
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> there are ready nautilus scripts for that
[07:33] <HappyFool> Stew2: go Applications->System Tools->Root terminal (but don't left click!) -> Properties
[07:33] <Dko> Well I finnaly I finnaly figured out how to get the startup script to work.  Had to delete the two lines that had link and ulink in them.
[07:33] <thoreauputic> right, OK, I don't use them but that's good :)
[07:33] <HappyFool> you can copy that menu entry for a superuser nautilus
[07:34] <HappyFool> or just to Applications->Run Application... and type 'gksudo nautilus'
[07:36] <Stew2> http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/nautilus-scripts/Execute/root-nautilus-here
[07:36] <Stew2> says to install in my ~/Nautilus/scripts directory. What if I want it available globally?
[07:36] <Dko> Quicky question. Whats a good program to edit c/c++ source?  Gedit seams to space text strangly.
[07:36] <HappyFool> emacs is good ;)
[07:38] <caleb_> Dko: vim, emacs, bluefish
[07:39] <caleb_> Dko: but know that there is no right answer or consensus
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Dko: or try scite, nedit  - both have syntax highlighting etc
[07:40] <Dko> Ahh.  Well it seams emacs is already installed on my comp so ill check it out.  Just gota find where it is.
[07:40] <jeff_> doesn't ubuntu have the 'whois' tool? :(
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Dko: heh - just type `whereis emacs`
[07:41] <HappyFool> well, although emacs is *clearly* superior ;), vim should also be on your machine
[07:41] <HappyFool> /usr/bin/emacs and /usr/bin/vi on my ubuntu system
[07:41] <caleb_> jeff_: yes, the package is called, whois
[07:41] <Dko> Ok thanks
[07:42] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[07:43] <jeff_> caleb_, i haven't got it
[07:43] <HappyFool> fuh. ed is for the antediluvian.
[07:43] <caleb_> jeff_: what version of ubuntu?
[07:43] <HappyFool> apt-cache search ^whois reveals a whois package
[07:44] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: of course, but that link is amusing on the subject
[07:44] <jeff_> caleb_, 4.1 or something. cds just came in the mail today
[07:44] <HappyFool> jeff: you probably need to install it
[07:44] <caleb_> jeff_: sudo apt-get install whois
[07:44] <HappyFool> try 'sudo apt-get install whois'
[07:44] <caleb_> winna winna
[07:45] <d> hi!
[07:45] <jeff_> ok
[07:45] <d> new ubutu usr on the way!
[07:45] <d> just downloading the new hoary iso
[07:45] <jeff_> uh, i don't have a root password?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> d: your nick is a bit long - care to shorten it ;)
[07:46] <dataw0lf> jeff_: you can create a root account with passwd root
[07:46] <d> thor: why bother messin wi letrz :~~)
[07:46] <setite> how do i make links that open in a new page open in a new tab
[07:46] <thoreauputic> jeff_: you don't really need one
[07:46] <caleb_> jeff_: and take a look at Synaptic for installing software.  in your menu to go Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic
[07:46] <jeff_> ok
[07:47] <thoreauputic> setite: have a look at about:config
[07:47] <caleb_> jeff_: and when you use the sudo command and it asks for your passwd, just enter your password
[07:47] <jeff_> i did, it said the db was locked
[07:47] <caleb_> because you're running apt-get and synaptic at the same time I bet
[07:47] <thoreauputic> jeff_: do you have another instance of apt running?
[07:47] <d> my quezzie is: will i be able to get the latest kde beta with apt from the ubutu resources, or does anyone know of a repos. that does have?
[07:47] <jeff_> i had synaptic open
[07:48] <thoreauputic> bingo
[07:48] <caleb_> jeff_: then hit the search button, and enter whois
[07:48] <jeff_> another thing, ubuntu puts me at 60hz, i can't change it with the system resolution prefs tool.. how can i do it?
[07:48] <Riddell> d: there arn't any repositories which have it yet, we're working on 3.4 packages
[07:48] <Stew2> what if the GDM periodically locks up and I have to ssh into the box and restart it? Why does that happen?
[07:48] <d> can't wait x.org + debian, today! Yip!
[07:48] <setite> thoreauputic what setting
[07:48] <Riddell> d: hoary has KDE 3.3.2
[07:49] <jeff_> x.org is in debian now?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> setite: hmm.. hang on I'll see if I can find a link for you
[07:49] <d> thats what is says on distrowatch!
 x.org is in debian now? it is
[07:50] <jeff_> testing or sarge?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> setite: maybe here >>> http://www.mozillazine.org/misc/about:config/
[07:50] <randabis> jeff I think it's in sid
[07:50] <d> its in this new hoary iso, not in testing or sarge
[07:50] <jeff_> oh
[07:50] <jeff_> that doesn't count
[07:50] <d> or not?
[07:51] <randabis> jeff I'm fairly certain x.org is in debian sid
[07:51] <randabis> one of the reasons I say this is because hoary is based of a snapshot of debian sid
[07:51] <jeff_> oh
[07:51] <jeff_> hoary has kde then?
[07:51] <Riddell> x.org is not in Debian
[07:52] <nevyn> umm no it's not.
[07:52] <Riddell> jeff_: hoary has KDE 3.3.2 in universe
[07:52] <jeff_> oh
[07:52] <randabis> not even in sid?
[07:52] <Riddell> randabis: no
[07:52] <randabis> ah
[07:52] <thoreauputic> xorg won't be in debian until after Sarge is released, IIRC
[07:52] <nevyn> randabis: x.org is not in debian. which is unfortunate.
[07:53] <randabis> okay I've got that now thanks
[07:53] <nevyn> not that xorg is good. but it is better than xfree
[07:53] <randabis> warty has kde 3.2 jeff
[07:53] <superkitty> i am getting an error from apt-get update
[07:53] <jeff_> does it still have gnome?
[07:53] <randabis> yes
[07:53] <superkitty> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:53] <superkitty> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:54] <randabis> gnome will always be ubuntu's default desktop environment
[07:54] <jeff_> i wish i could change my refresh rate :/
[07:56] <thoreauputic> jeff_: if you're comfortable with command line, you could try  `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 `
[07:57] <thoreauputic> jeff_: should give you options for refresh rates
[07:57] <d> nevyn: you don't like x? whats your fave windowing system then?
[07:57] <setite> thoreauputic i know how to edit it... i just dont know what setting to edit
[07:57] <setite> and i sorta found the culprit to my shitty dvd problem
[07:58] <thoreauputic> setite: yeah - I changed it a while back - let me see if I can find it
[07:58] <setite> i realized that when you use the monitor to make the picture fill the screen its zooming in...
[07:58] <jeff_> thoreauputic, ok, how do i reboot X?
[07:58] <setite> i need to find a true resolution that will fill the monitor screen
[07:58] <setite> jeff CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE
[07:59] <thoreauputic> jeff_: umm - just run the command then do ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:59] <setite> hehe i beat you
[07:59] <setite> see.. he left already
[07:59] <setite> i love that thing... its so fast
[07:59] <thoreauputic> setite: heh - I'm a slow typist ;)
[07:59] <setite> no problem
[07:59] <setite> i typed extra fast because i wanted to beat you
[07:59] <setite> hey question... how do i do a probe of my monitor to see what resolutions its capable of
[08:00] <thoreauputic> setite: congratulations :)
[08:00] <setite> i have to manually set my resolutions because of a bug with my integrated card
[08:02] <setite> does anyone know the way to edit video settings in the terminal
[08:02] <thoreauputic> browser.tab.opentabfor.windowopen  could be what you want, setite
[08:02] <setite> i forgot what it was
[08:03] <setite> awesome.. i bet it is
[08:03] <thoreauputic> setite: trial and error works for me with those settings - then I forget what I changed! haha
[08:04] <thoreauputic> I should write it down I guess
[08:04] <wasabi_> Aww my new firefox crashes on most sites. =(
[08:04] <setite> damn thats not it
[08:06] <setite> whats browser turbo
[08:06] <setite> should i enable it
[08:06] <setite> hmmm seems interesting
[08:08] <srid> no SqlObject in Ubuntu?? It is in debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-sqlobject
[08:10] <djuuss> hey, how do i rename (in gnome) multiple files at once?
[08:10] <jeff_> crap.. ubuntu won't play mp3 either?
[08:11] <djuuss> (so they have filename<number> for instance)
[08:11] <srid> djuuss, write a script
[08:11] <srid> you can either learn 'bash' or 'python'
[08:11] <srid> python will help you write lot of programs
[08:12] <HappyFool> jeff_: i think ubuntuguide.org has info on installing codecs, and there's also a page on the ubuntu wiki somewhere (RestrictedFormats, it might be)
[08:12] <srid> jeff_, apt-get install xmms
[08:12] <setite> srid nah
[08:12] <jeff_> ok
[08:13] <setite> he still needs an mp3 codec though
[08:13] <setite> last i checked xmms didnt have it by default
[08:13] <SirFred> djuuss: What are you trying to do?
[08:13] <setite> jeff what OS
[08:13] <setite> ubuntu?
[08:13] <jeff_> yes
[08:13] <setite> ubuntu has xmms
[08:13] <djuuss> just get a load of files (movies) with pretty much diffrent names and name them into movieXX.mpg where XX is a number
[08:14] <duckdown> How do I make the nvidia module load at boot? gdm keeps failing on system entry because it cant load the nvidia module, so i always have to go to root and manually modprobe nvidia;startx
[08:14] <randabis> xmms is kinda deprecated though
[08:14] <setite> someone refresh my memory... gstreamer0.8 plays mp3 right
[08:14] <randabis> yes
[08:14] <djuuss> but i did it the hard way
[08:14] <djuuss> manually
[08:14] <HappyFool> gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[08:14] <srid> duckdown, /etc/modules
[08:14] <randabis> yes
[08:14] <nevyn> restrictedformats?
[08:14] <duckdown> thanks
[08:14] <SirFred> djuuss: You need a script or something so.
[08:14] <djuuss> python sounds like a good thing to learn still yeah
[08:14] <setite> yea that mad one
[08:14] <nevyn> this channel needs a bot.
[08:15] <setite> nevyn a bot for what
[08:15] <SirFred> djuuss: You don't need python for that, it can be made on a shell script.
[08:15] <setite> why dont you creat one
[08:15] <djuuss> python is a good thing to learn still though :P
[08:15] <srid> djuuss, if you are newbie programmer, see http://www.byteofpython.info/
[08:15] <srid> shell script is only for _small_ work
[08:16] <djuuss> newbie programmer? dude, i don't even know how to grep
[08:16] <djuuss> :P
[08:16] <srid> djuuss, so this book is for you :)
[08:16] <SirFred> srid: What he's asking for is a _small_ work.
[08:16] <djuuss> thx
[08:16] <thoreauputic> srid: hmm... the whole knoppix installer was written in bash
[08:16] <setite> programmer... damn i dont even know my way around apt yet
[08:16] <srid> SirFred, yes .. I am meta-helping him :)
[08:16] <srid> so is slackware
[08:16] <thoreauputic> by Fabian I believe
[08:16] <SirFred> srid: :)
[08:16] <setite> Fabio
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Fabian Franz
[08:17] <setite> is there a good book to learn all the commands i need to know
[08:17] <setite> Fabbione
[08:17] <djuuss> hehe good point
[08:17] <blair> I need some help with an ATI Graphics Card
[08:17] <srid> setite, ls /bin /usr/bin and man
[08:17] <setite> yea you do
[08:17] <srid> hehe
[08:17] <djuuss> a book on apt?
[08:17] <fabbione> setite ?
[08:17] <djuuss> man apt
[08:17] <setite> you need help selling it
[08:17] <srid> apt-howto
[08:17] <srid> apt-reference
[08:17] <thoreauputic> setite: hang on and I'll give you some links
[08:17] <djuuss> apt-cache search rox :)
[08:17] <setite> he said fabian so i said fabbione
[08:18] <setite> hey is that your repo i keep seeing on google
[08:18] <fabbione> setite: for ipv6?
[08:18] <setite> i dunno i just saw a repo or some site with your name on it
[08:18] <fabbione> could easily be
[08:18] <setite> srid no i want a book
[08:18] <setite> everyone says man pages but i like books
[08:18] <thoreauputic> setite: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[08:18] <setite> i dont want to print it... but i want something i can carry with me
[08:19] <srid> setite, , see apt-howto
[08:19] <fabbione> last time i checked fabbione on goggle there were only one that is not me after 5/6 pages
[08:19] <SirFred> djuuss: A shell example just in a line:
[08:19] <thoreauputic> setite: O'Reilly have good linux books
[08:19] <setite> ok but that doesnt solve my want/need for a book... a tangible piece of paper, glue and ink
[08:19] <srid> setite, http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[08:19] <setite> does he have a debian specific
[08:20] <SirFred> suf=0; for fich in *.mpg; do echo "mv $fich  movie$(printf \%02d $suf).mpg"; suf=$(( $suf + 1 )); done
[08:20] <setite> is there any need for a debian specific book?
[08:20] <setite> srid not just apt... everything
[08:20] <SirFred> djuuss: Well, that only echoes the mv command to execute. Just for security
[08:20] <setite> i especially want it for when i fubar my linux
[08:20] <thoreauputic> setite: for a good guide to cli --> O'Reilly: "Linux-Pocket Guide" (author: Daniel J. Barrett )
[08:21] <setite> ok so o'reilly... any other suggestions
[08:21] <setite> what it cli
[08:21] <setite> command line interface?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> command line interface
[08:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:21] <setite> awesome i figured that out... cool...
[08:21] <thoreauputic> setite: you did indeed !
[08:21] <setite> are there debian specific things i need to know...
[08:22] <setite> dont say man pages please
[08:22] <thoreauputic> setite: oh yes
[08:22] <setite> i saw a debian/gnu book
[08:22] <setite> whats with the gnu part
[08:22] <thoreauputic> setite: the apt howto is very good
[08:22] <thoreauputic> GNU's not Unix
[08:22] <thoreauputic> recursive acronym
[08:22] <djuuss> SirFred .. i'll look in to it later, copiepasted it for now in my "todo-list-appendix-B.txt"
[08:23] <djuuss> have (field)hockey practice now
[08:23] <djuuss> cya
[08:23] <djuuss> all
[08:23] <jazzka> hdparm -i /dev/sda9
[08:23] <jazzka> /dev/sda9:
[08:23] <jazzka>  operation not supported on SCSI disks
[08:23] <jazzka> does exist any hdparm for scsi disks?
[08:24] <setite> yea i remember reading that GNU was its own thing... but debian is linux as far as i know so why would there be a Debian/GNU book
[08:25] <thoreauputic> setite: linux is the kernel - GNU/Linux is the whole operating system
[08:25] <setite> "Once you're up and running, Linux Pocket Guide provides an easy-to-use reference that you can keep by your keyboard for those times when you want a fast, useful answer, not hours in the man pages."
[08:25] <setite> ooh thanks for that suggestion
[08:25] <HappyFool> jazzka: see man hdparm. the -i option is for IDE drives
[08:25] <thoreauputic> setite: only problem is it's Fedora oriented - but it has all the important commands
[08:26] <setite> ewww fedora!!
[08:26] <setite> bad experiences
[08:26] <larsrohdin> hey, how can i make nautilus start my home-directory on startup?
[08:26] <jazzka> well, actually, it's an ide drives, connected with usb to the computer
[08:26] <thoreauputic> setite: don't fret - the book is good
[08:26] <larsrohdin> yeah fedora's no fun...
[08:26] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: save your session on exit
[08:27] <larsrohdin> no wrong!!! how can i make nautilus stop starting y home=)
[08:27] <HappyFool> jazzka: the man page talks about AT interface. I guess you're out of luck using usb
[08:27] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: ah - not what you asked
[08:27] <larsrohdin> --no-default-window just wont work
[08:27] <jazzka> so, any tool to test and configure my ide drive (throw usb) ???
[08:27] <larsrohdin> no, i wrote wrong=) my bad
[08:28] <setite> would the Debian GNU/Linux 3.X Bible be good also
[08:28] <thoreauputic> setite: I expect so - haven't read it
[08:28] <setite> ok... yea i dont even think its out yet
[08:28] <setite> its february 05
[08:29] <setite> but i was saying are the books from this company usually good
[08:29] <HappyFool> jazzka: what does hdparm /dev/sda9 do ?
[08:29] <typo> I've just finished installing ubuntu. Seams to work fine. OO.org won't input accented characters if LANG=C though
[08:29] <jazzka> hdparm -v /dev/sda9
[08:29] <jazzka> /dev/sda9:
[08:29] <jazzka>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[08:29] <jazzka>  geometry     = 19929/255/63, sectors = 105209622, start = 214949763
[08:29] <typo> but that's in debian as well
[08:29] <setite> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764576445/qid=1106335655/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9640012-5729737?v=glance&s=books
[08:29] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic, any ideas?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> setite: you really should read the apt howto - it's very good. And O'Reilly books are mostly good, yes
[08:29] <HappyFool> jazzka: that enough?
[08:29] <setite> yea i will... but i truly want a book
[08:29] <jazzka> HappyFool, yeah
[08:30] <setite> i dont want to destroy my eyes any more than i need to
[08:30] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: maybe edit the properties in the menu to open nautilus at the dir you want?
[08:31] <typo> the idea of moving everything out of the Desktop seams cool
[08:31] <typo> will that be included in stock gnome 2.10?
[08:32] <setite> is this a true statement?
[08:32] <setite> "Debian GNU/Linux is free, supported by HP, and is often cited as the most stable and reliable Linux distribution-which makes it a great alternative for users put off by Red Hat's pricey Enterprise Linux and unsupported Fedora"
[08:32] <setite> the HP part
[08:32] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: or create a launcher to do it
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Hewlett Packard? dunno
[08:33] <_d4vid> ky all
[08:33] <HappyFool> well, a google for HP debian support reveals some articles
[08:33] <setite> you know what is great and sad at the same time
[08:33] <setite> how easy it is to get all these linux books in ebook format
[08:33] <blair> Can anyone help me get a Radeon card to render OpenGl instead of MESA
[08:34] <larsrohdin> i have nautilus in my .xsession file... and it should work but it doesnt...
[08:34] <setite> i dont know how they get them in PDF format and such with all the pictures and text that can be fiddled with
[08:35] <naibed> Hi
[08:35] <thoreauputic> setite: saving as PDF is really easy in Linux
[08:35] <setite> but i dont know how to take a book and convert it
[08:35] <setite> without scanning the individual pictures and typing each word
[08:35] <scizzo> setite: many times the book has a electric format also....
[08:36] <setite> ok then where do you get it
[08:36] <scizzo> setite: do you really want to actually ask those questions in here?
[08:36] <setite> no i know the not so legal way... im saying legally
[08:37] <setite> i rarely see legitimate ebooks created by the publishers and companies that are allowed to
[08:37] <scizzo> there is a legal way yes...
[08:37] <naibed> I've a problem with mi Nvidia TNT2 and nvidia's GLX driver since an Xorg update I think...The kernel module loads and Xorg starts but the nvidia logo is kept on screen and glx support is disabled :S Xorg version is X Window System Version <IP_ADDRESS> (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu11<PHONE_NUMBER>0805 root@) and kernel 2.6.9,2.6.10..
[08:37] <thoreauputic> setite: many Linux/OSS books are available on line as html or pdf for download
[08:37] <setite> awesome... where
[08:37] <scizzo> setite: http://cdbookshelves.oreilly.com/
[08:37] <scizzo> setite: that is a legal way
[08:38] <thoreauputic> setite: umm...try googling ;0
[08:38] <setite> ok what about non o'reilly
[08:38] <scizzo> setite: stop asking about this...please
[08:38] <setite> like the moving to linux book./... do you think the ebook for it is legit
[08:38] <setite> wah
[08:38] <setite> ok
[08:38] <scizzo> setite: go to the publishers page and look instead
[08:38] <randabis> yeah that's a bit off-topic
[08:38] <thoreauputic> setite: yes, Marcel Gagne is legitimate
[08:38] <thoreauputic> setite: I belong to his virtual LUG :)
[08:39] <[Euphori] > hi all
[08:40] <[Euphori] > can help me anyone
[08:40] <[Euphori] > im can?t connect in ubuntu whitch my external 56 K modem
[08:41] <[Euphori] > im install gnome-ppp fine
[08:41] <[Euphori] > config all fine but when im try to connect im have the error
[08:42] <thoreauputic> [Euphori] : try running  `  sudo pppconfig ` in a terminal :)
[08:42] <[Euphori] > PPP: Not enabled
[08:42] <[Euphori] > thoreauputic: im try it but error
[08:43] <[Euphori] > im put my user y dip group
[08:43] <Stew2> When I create a user in Ubuntu, they are made a member of a group name that is the same as their user name. Shouldn't they all be members of group User?
[08:43] <Stew2> i e the same group?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> gotta go - have fun all of you ! :)
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Stew2: no, that's the Debian way
[08:44] <Stew2> So I have as many groups as I do users when I'm done?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Stew2: the user will also be in group users
[08:45] <thoreauputic> and a bunch of others
[08:45] <Stew2> no one is in the group 'users' by default.
[08:45] <Stew2> weird.
[08:45] <Stew2> is that the way it's supposed to be?
[08:46] <HappyFool> well, none of my users are in user either
[08:46] <HappyFool> my "main" user, i.e., one who can do sudo, is in lots of groups though
[08:47] <BockBilbo> hey
[08:47] <setite> why doesnt /server -m work on x-chat
[08:47] <BockBilbo> is it possible to open rar 3.0 files in ubuntu?
[08:49] <dataw0lf> apt-get install rar
[08:49] <borgista> yup
[08:49] <Stew2> HappyFool How do I make sure additional users are able to SUDO?
[08:49] <frisoirc> Hi all, I have a firewire problem with Ubuntu PPC. 1st message during boot: cannot allocate resource region 0 of devie 0000:01.04.0 Pretty scary, isn it
[08:49] <naibed> BockBilbo, try with rar or unrar
[08:50] <[Euphori] > im comeback later
[08:50] <maximaus> BockBilbo, I've had problems opening some rar files created with windows unfortunately. :/
[08:50] <Stew2> Don't they have to be in a sudoers list?
[08:50] <frisoirc> then modprobe: fatal: error inserting aic79xx (<awfull long pathname>): no such device
[08:50] <maximaus> that's pretty much the only time I boot into my hibernated windows partition.
[08:50] <HappyFool> stew2: yeah, see man sudo. you need to add them to /etc/sudoers
[08:51] <BockBilbo> maximaus, i also hae that problem
[08:51] <BockBilbo> :S
[08:51] <BockBilbo> naibed, i also have that prob
[08:51] <misionero> hey everyone
[08:51] <maximaus> BockBilbo, Perhaps it's a winrar issue?
[08:52] <frisoirc> no firewire experts present?
[08:52] <misionero> how can i connect to irc on the console
[08:52] <misionero> ?
[08:52] <HappyFool> irssi, at a guess
[08:52] <naibed> misionero, with an text-based IRC client, like irssi, BitchX, ...http://fershmeat.net
[08:52] <naibed> freshmeat.net sorry
[08:53] <duckdown> has anyone here ever compiled FiSH for either xchat or irssi?
[08:53] <drac> why use gui on 100% text based system .. like irc
[08:53] <duckdown> cause neither of these goddamn things are working
[08:53] <Stew2> Hey, since root and admin are in the Sudoers file, can I just add the user to group ADMIN? Or do I have to explicitly add the user?
[08:53] <misionero> http://freshmeat.net ?
[08:54] <BockBilbo> maximaus, i have no clue
[08:54] <BockBilbo> :S
[08:54] <spiral> hmmm.... please !!!! Tell me about smart batteries & hoary support
[08:54] <frisoirc> Hi all, I have a firewire problem with Ubuntu PPC. 1st message during boot: cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:01.04.0 Pretty scary, isn it
[08:54] <HappyFool> Stew2: i think those are user names (?)
[08:55] <maximaus> BockBilbo, if that's my only grip with Ubuntu, I'm satisfied. (why can't folks just use zip or tar.gz?)
[08:55] <maximaus> gripe
[08:56] <frisoirc> any firewire support possible
[08:56] <frisoirc> ?
[08:56] <HappyFool> Stew2: try man sudoers   -- oh, it's in EBNF. goodness.
[08:57] <setite> can x-chat autoaccept dcc
[08:57] <misionero> how can i create my own theme and then publishe it on the net
[08:57] <misionero> ??
[08:58] <frisoirc> quit
[08:58] <naibed> setite, yes, right click on text box->IRC-auto accept..
[08:59] <HappyFool> Stew2: this probably isn't good advice, but I would just add lines similar to those in there, substituing the appropriate user names
[08:59] <setite> awesome thanks
[08:59] <HappyFool> i see you're supposed to use visudo to edit it too
[09:00] <Scooter> Anyone know how to have Java set up in your path? I just downloaded the JAVA common, and from Commandline I type java and get file not found... TIA :D
[09:00] <Scooter> I neeed to execute a *.JAR file
[09:01] <Scooter> I got JAVA from Synaptic BTW
[09:02] <Stew2> It says I HAVE to edit it with visudo. I have no idea how to use VI
[09:02] <Stew2> So do I really HAVE to use visudo?
[09:02] <naibed> SteveA, then read a manual
 try sudo gedit if you need to be root...
[09:03] <HcE> Stew2: do the vitutor
[09:03] <HcE> vimtutor I mean
[09:03] <HappyFool> Stew2: try EDITOR=myfavouriteeditor visudo /etc/sudoers
[09:04] <HappyFool> i assume it just does some sort of locking on the file
[09:05] <HappyFool> or rather   EDITOR=myfavouriteeditor sudo visudo
[09:05] <Stew2> thanks. I just used gedit
[09:06] <l3m> i'm trying to "su" from the ubuntu live cd ( in order to parted my hd ), what's the default root passwd?
[09:06] <Stew2> l3m there isn't one. 'sudo passwd root'
[09:06] <HappyFool> or maybe even 'sudo parted' or whatever
[09:08] <l3m> thanks, sudo parted worked!!!
[09:09] <zido> uhm, the different desktops dissapeared from my "system line"(?) or whatever the line at the bottom's called..
[09:09] <zido> anybody got any idea how i get it back?
[09:09] <Scooter> Ooooo! Sorry, I had the wrong packages, i needed sun-J2, I did not see that in the manual, Thanks anyways :p
[09:09] <zido> i can't see the different programs on that desktop there either
[09:09] <Agrajag> right-click the panel, choose add to panel... and choose the "desktop chooser" or whatever that applet's called
[09:10] <HappyFool> "workspace switcher" might be it
[09:11] <poppo> Greetings, my X  wouldnt work .. so i did lspci to check if my vga card (mercury) is listed ... couldnt find it. tried configurin X using confxf86 -  wouldnt work ..  xf86 log says "
[09:11] <poppo> " nop devices found" can someone help me pls
[09:11] <zido> ah, thx
[09:11] <zido> but i still can't see the different programs on that desktop
[09:11] <zenwhen> poppo, what video card
[09:11] <poppo> zenwhen : mercury
[09:12] <zenwhen> huh
[09:12] <blair> I am having trouble getting my Video card to hardware render, everything is running through mesa
[09:12] <HappyFool> i would guess that lspci not finding your video card is Pretty Bad (tm)
[09:13] <poppo> i  tried vesa , intel  just to see  if anythin works out  but it isnt   helpin
[09:13] <poppo> HappyFool : yeh : \
[09:13] <HappyFool> you don't get anything saying "VGA" in it ?
[09:13] <blair> Does anyone know how to make the ATI drivers render instead of the MESA indirect drivers
[09:13] <poppo> HappyFool : i get Vga  controller  but it says intel ...
[09:15] <poppo> and iam pretty sure  of having mercury vga . before this i couldnt even get to the  pompt - so i changed vga to mono in bios  -now i  do get prompt -  but no X ..
[09:15] <blair> anyone?
[09:18] <crypticreign> how do i mount a cdrom in ubuntu? i dont see /dev/cdrom
[09:19] <HappyFool> it should appear at /media/cdrom
[09:19] <crypticreign> ah
[09:19] <naibed> crypticreign, dmesg|grep -i cdrom or grep hd
[09:19] <HappyFool> though if you don't have /dev/cdrom, i'm not sure
[09:19] <crypticreign> hmm
[09:19] <crypticreign> ok
[09:20] <HappyFool> poppo: sorry, i'm not finding much via google.
[09:25] <ssam> in hoary in the network settings control panel should there be an add button?
[09:26] <seb128> no
[09:26] <ssam> are new devices added automagically?
[09:27] <seb128> the dialog should list all the devices
[09:27] <seb128> it detects the devices on the system
[09:27] <Scooter> I dont mind telling people to RTFM in Ubuntu, TFM is Beautiful Babby! I cant believe how much I learn about linux from this WIKI and the forums :)
[09:27] <Scooter> Oops wrong window sorry
[09:28] <ssam> so if i take out a pcmcia wireless card and put in a new one, eth1 will now be the new one
[09:29] <ogra> Scooter: but a nice insight ;)
[09:30] <phw> hello folks, i wanted to install network-manager-gnome, but it tells me that that package relys on a package named network-manager... see http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[09:30] <upayavira_> Just read document "Installing Ubuntu from a Unix/Linux System" - it says "creating at least one filesystem plus swap". Does anyone know if I can just use the filesystem that I've already got? I'd converting from Debian Sarge.
[09:31] <raitis> anybody online?
[09:31] <HappyFool> no a soul
[09:32] <raitis> need some help with windows ntfs partition , i can view it in root terminal but cant get it on desktop as icon
[09:32] <raitis> and if i try to access the folder it says that i dot have the permissions
[09:33] <BockBilbo> is it possible to play wma files in ubuntu?
[09:33] <NanoTek> yep
[09:33] <HappyFool> are you mounting it from the command line, or via /etc/fstab ?
[09:33] <HappyFool> i have a line like this in my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    auto    ro,user,noauto,umask=000        0      0
[09:33] <HappyFool> the umask=000 lets normal users access the ntfs
[09:34] <BockBilbo> NanoTek, with which package?
[09:34] <HappyFool> it's still read-only though
[09:34] <raitis> well i did this on these forums http://www.syntheticsw.com/%7Euu/viewtopic.php?t=232
[09:35] <NanoTek> BockBilbo, The only solution I found to play every songs and videos is to compile mplayer with every codecs which are available
[09:35] <BockBilbo> ... but i cannot install mplayer
[09:35] <BockBilbo> when i tried to install it it gives me dependency problems
[09:35] <raitis> i mounted it on /mnt/win
[09:35] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:36] <raitis> then i edited the fstab.bak
[09:36] <HappyFool> raitis: what command did you use?
[09:36] <raitis> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows/c
[09:36] <HappyFool> err, no, you should edit /etc/fstab *before* mounting
[09:36] <raitis> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win
[09:36] <HappyFool> and not fstab.bak, but /etc/fstab
[09:36] <raitis> yeah
[09:36] <raitis> did that
[09:37] <raitis> i can view the folder through root terminal with the command " cd /mnt/win "  then " ls -al "
[09:37] <raitis> but i cant get a desktop icon
[09:37] <HappyFool> raitis: first do this:   'sudo umount /dev/hda1'
[09:38] <raitis> ok
[09:38] <NanoTek> BockBilbo, did you never try to compile it ?
[09:38] <HappyFool> and then: 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win -o ro,user,umask=000'
[09:38] <BockBilbo> nope...
[09:38] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:38] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:38] <raitis> root@ubuntu:/mnt/win # sudo unmount /dev/hda1
[09:38] <raitis> sudo: unmount: command not found
[09:38] <BockBilbo> im a bit afraid of compiling stuff
[09:38] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:38] <raitis> sry
[09:38] <HappyFool> raitis: "umount"
[09:39] <raitis> hey it worked
[09:39] <raitis> thanks alot
[09:40] <HappyFool> no problem ;)
[09:40] <raitis> how can i do a shortcut to the desktop?
[09:41] <raitis> ok thanks alot i have to go now bye, thanks thanks alot
[09:41] <HappyFool> bye
[09:42] <poppo> : )
[09:44] <zooko> Greetings, people of Ubuntu
[09:44] <poppo> hello zooko
[09:44] <zooko> I want a mail transport agent.  I tried to install exim and exim4 (on warty) and in both cases apt-listbugs warned me that there were outstanding security bugs in them.
[09:44] <zooko> Is there another nice simple MTA I can install for my 1-user satellite mail system?
[09:45] <HappyFool> postfix ?
[09:45] <HappyFool> though neither dpkg-reconfigure nor the wiki have especially good setups, in my completely inexpert opinion ;)
[09:46] <zooko> Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll try it!
[09:48] <darkling> zooko: There's ssmtp and esmtp.
[09:49] <darkling> They're not full mail servers, but will forward mail by SMTP to a mail server.
[09:49] <darkling> They're both pretty unsophisticated, but work well if they're all you need.
[09:50] <Rene_S> still no menu editing eh ?
[09:50] <Rene_S> in hoary
[09:52] <zooko> Maybe ssmtp would be easier for me to configure than postfix...
[09:52] <zooko> I just want to send mail via SMTP, possibly using a "smarthost",
[09:53] <zooko> and to receive mail by fetchmail -> MTA -> nmh
[09:53] <HappyFool> well, postfix is at least easier than sendmail *shudder*
[09:54] <zooko> ssmtp asks "Name of your mailhub?", but is this for incoming or outgoing mail?  :-(
[09:55] <HappyFool> won't fetchmail be handling your incoming ?
[09:55] <zooko> yes
[09:55] <zooko> Oh.
[09:56] <zooko> But, um, doesn't fetchmail need to contact an SMTP server on port 25 and give it the mail?
[09:56] <darkling> Not necessarily.
[09:56] <gro> zookoo:try getmail: you don't need a mta with getmail
[09:56] <zooko> So ssmtp needs to know that "incoming" mail that appears on port 25 needs to be delivered to local users.
[09:56] <darkling> It can deliver direct to a mailbox, IIRC.
[09:57] <HappyFool> i would guess the alternative is evolution/ thunderbird / etc which, i presume, do all this nonsense for you
[09:57] <zooko> I must have my mail in nmh!  :-)
[10:05] <zooko> Oh boy.  I've screwed up my perl-base package.   8-(
[10:05] <zooko> Can't locate File/Basename.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 24.
[10:06] <zooko> which .deb has Basename.pm ?
[10:06] <jordi> bingo, zooko.
[10:07] <appleseed> i have to re-add my eth0 connection everytime i reboot, how do i get network-admin to add the right entry to my system?
[10:07] <__daniel> zooko: apt-file can help you there
[10:08] <zooko> apt-file was also broken...
[10:08] <zooko> thanks #ubuntu!!
[10:09] <kbrooks> hmmm. i have a package conflict
[10:09] <kbrooks> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:09] <kbrooks>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common
[10:10] <LinuxJones> appleseed, select your nic card then go properties , click start @ boot time
[10:10] <kbrooks> what do i do?
[10:10] <kbrooks> hmmm. i have a idea,
[10:10] <appleseed> LinuxJones, i dont have that option in the utility
[10:11] <appleseed> LinuxJones,  i'm using hoary though
[10:11] <kbrooks> root@kyle:/home/kyle # dpkg --get-selections | grep gtksourceview
[10:11] <kbrooks> libgtksourceview-common                         install
[10:11] <kbrooks> libgtksourceview1.0-0                           install
[10:11] <kbrooks> could i possibly set the selections and replace install with something?
[10:11] <LinuxJones> appleseed, go System Configuration >> Networking
[10:12] <zido_> what programs i'm running on the current desktop isn't showing on the lower panel, any ideas on how to get them back? :)
[10:12] <appleseed> yeah
[10:13] <frisoir1> Hi all, I have a firewire problem with Ubuntu PPC. 1st message during boot: cannot allocate resource region 0 of devie 0000:01.04.0 Pretty scary, isn it
[10:14] <appleseed> i've added the device, and connected it(using it now), but it isn't added to the /etc/network/interfaces file, so doesn't come up at boot
[10:14] <LinuxJones> are you using dhcp ?
[10:14] <appleseed> LinuxJones, yeah
[10:15] <appleseed> LinuxJones, i've got a feeling its a fault with the network-admin tool, not adding the connection to the file
[10:16] <LinuxJones> appleseed, these are the entries from my eht0 card >> (first line) auto eth0  (2nd line) iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:16] <xmas> appleseed, I've had problems with that tool saving settings too.  It never remembers to start samba.
[10:16] <duckdown> Anyone know why when I'm trying to mount /dev/sda1 (my windows partition, on a TOTALLY different drive than my linux os) wont let me mount it? It says its already mounted, or any of the destination points I try are busy.. but I typed 'df' and its not mounted at all!
[10:17] <appleseed> LinuxJones,  i'll try putting that in, thanks.
[10:17] <LinuxJones> GL ;)
[10:17] <appleseed> :)
[10:17] <reki> why does the default install of ubuntu install firefox 0.9.3?
[10:17] <LinuxJones> reki, it's not stable enough I suspect
[10:18] <randabis> because 1.0 wasn't out yet I believe
[10:20] <snowblink> reki: if you apt-get upgrade you should get FF1.0
[10:20] <reki> ah thx
[10:20] <Nafallo> am I the only one whose synaptics have stopped working in hoary?
[10:21] <kbrooks> Nafallo, describe your situation.
[10:22] <Nafallo> kbrooks: I can't scroll anymore. that only happens when synaptics is out-of-order :-/.
[10:23] <esac> does anybody know if there exists something like fluxboxes tabs, for gnome ?
[10:26] <carsonc> Is there a program for Linux (preferably packaged for Ubuntu) that will let me rotate my desktop backgrounds automatically, the way I can do in OS X?  I've apt-cache search'd and googled, but I can't find anything relevant.  Am I just missing it, or does such a program not exist?
[10:27] <Nermal> theres probably a script somewhere to do it
[10:27] <Nermal> but no apps that I've seen
[10:27] <FLeiXiuS> carsonc, I've seen these before, search freshmeat and sourceforge
[10:27] <FLeiXiuS> carsonc, I had it a while back with my redhat 8 machine.
[10:28] <zeedo> carsonc: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=random+background&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
[10:28] <naibed> carsonc, KDE can do taht :)
[10:28] <naibed> that
[10:28] <Nermal> you mean rotate as in change the orientation ?
[10:28] <Nermal> or change the background
[10:28] <carsonc> change
[10:28] <Nermal> oh
[10:28] <Nermal> yeah.. there are apps to do that
[10:28] <carsonc> naibed:  Yeah, it can, but I can't stand KDE :)
[10:29] <pusling> is the w32codecs in universe or anywhere else? Or do I need a unafficial mirror?
[10:29] <carsonc> zeedo:  Thanks!
[10:29] <zeedo> carsonc: look at gbrand on that page
[10:29] <zeedo> thats one specifically for gnome
[10:30] <haunter> hi, i tried ubuntu but i return on slackware, but i like the human theme, i'm searching this theme but i don't find, do you know where i can find it ?
[10:30] <Nafallo> pusling: ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[10:30] <smogger914> can someone help me install mplayer
[10:31] <carsonc> Hmm.  This one looks like it changes the background every time you log in.
[10:31] <pusling> Nafallo: 2 weeks ago I couldn't install from the marillat archive.
[10:31] <smogger914> can someone help me istall mplayer
[10:31] <Nafallo> pusling: where you using 'stable'?
[10:31] <naibed> smogger914, can you repeat please?can you repeat please?
[10:31] <Nafallo> pusling: seems w32codecs have moved out of the others.
[10:31] <carsonc> I'm looking for one that will allow me to change it every, say, half hour or hour or every day, while remaining logged in.
[10:32] <pusling> Nafallo: nope - testing I think
[10:32] <smogger914> can someone help me install mplayer i have the deb file and odnt know what to do with it
[10:32] <carsonc> smogger914:  Assuming you have all the dependencies installed, run "sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb"
[10:32] <carsonc> you can find out what the dependencies are with "dpkg -I whatever.deb"
[10:33] <smogger914> dpkg: error processing maplyer.deb (--install):
[10:33] <smogger914>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:33] <smogger914> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:33] <smogger914>  maplyer.deb
[10:33] <carsonc> aha, I think I may have found what I'm looking for
[10:33] <smogger914> i spelled it wrong
[10:34] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ sudo dpkg -i mplayer.deb
[10:34] <smogger914> (Reading database ... 70415 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:34] <smogger914> Preparing to replace mplayer 1.0pre6-1.20041114 (using mplayer.deb) ...
[10:34] <smogger914> Unpacking replacement mplayer ...
[10:34] <smogger914> Setting up mplayer (1.0pre6-1.20041114) ...
[10:34] <smogger914> does that mean its done
[10:34] <carsonc> http://gchbkgrd.sf.net
[10:34] <carsonc> smogger914: yes, it does
[10:34] <smogger914> how do i run it
[10:34] <Necrosan> smogger914: type mplayer
[10:35] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ mplayer
[10:35] <smogger914> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:35] <Necrosan> it has dependencies :)
[10:35] <smogger914> that means
[10:35] <carsonc> And of course, the app I find has ceased active development
[10:35] <Necrosan> smogger914: type this
[10:35] <Necrosan> sudo dpkg -I mplayer.deb
[10:36] <smogger914> then what
[10:36] <Necrosan> whats it say
[10:36] <Necrosan> >
[10:37] <smogger914> were do u get the libraries
[10:37] <Necrosan> apt-get
[10:37] <Necrosan> Read up on how to use dpkg.
[10:39] <aperson> hello all
[10:39] <smogger914> hwo do u use apt update
[10:40] <rcaskey> apt-get update
[10:40] <kbrooks> aolbonics :|
[10:40] <borgista> aolbonics?
[10:41] <spiral> hmmmm... please... can anybody tell me whether smart batteries will soon be handled under hoary ?
[10:41] <smogger914> libmp3lame.so.0: how do i get that
[10:42] <skeyeword> anyone have madwifi working w/ warty
[10:42] <Nafallo> hmm, -dbg have some bad side-effects? like synaptics driver stops working?
[10:43] <skeyeword> madwifi, anyone?
[10:44] <smogger914> how do u get apt to update the libraries for a file
[10:45] <bretzel> Hi threre ---
[10:45] <rellik_> yo
[10:46] <rellik_> for ubuntu can add debian sources to apt?  I can't find a ubuntu download for VLC
[10:46] <bretzel> I am playing with re-installation of Ubuntu ( after hardware upgrade ) - Every dev tools are there but I just can't lauch g++ or gcc - not in my path! That means a config step have failes somewhere...
[10:47] <haggai> rellik_: I think you'll find them in universe
[10:47] <smogger914> how do i get this library
[10:47] <smogger914> libmp3lame.so.0:
[10:47] <rellik_> what's universe?
[10:48] <skeyeword>  does anyone know how to get sharutils package installed
[10:48] <smogger914> libmp3lame.so.0: how do i get that it be for mplayer
[10:48] <haggai> rellik_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[10:49] <rellik_> hmm...  the mirror that I use for apt (local to network) has vlc under universe...  but 'apt-get search vlc' returns nothing...  how do I tell apt-cache to use universe/multiverse/... ?
[10:49] <Nafallo> hmm, why is it that installing xserver-xorg-dbg breaks synaptics? :-P
[10:50] <smogger914> how do u get thelibraires needed for a specific package
[10:50] <rellik_> can anyone say what "universe" and "multiverse" are?
[10:50] <rellik_> ...and restricted
[10:51] <smogger914>  how do u get the libraires needed for a specific package
[10:51] <Nafallo> rellik_: repositorys :-)
[10:51] <kent> smogger914, if you install with apt or synaptic, it should fetch the needed package for you
[10:51] <rellik_> yeah but what's the diff between them
[10:51] <bretzel> Every dev tools are there but I just can't lauch g++ or gcc - not in my path! That means a config step have failes somewhere...  I had to manually create the soft links to the bins...
[10:51] <Nafallo> smogger914: they are dependencies, so is installed automatically.
[10:51] <ycco> Anyone here have a Wireless PCI Adapter - WG311 v2 working under Ubuntu?
[10:52] <ycco> I was thinking about pulling my wifes wired network card and using this.
[10:52] <skeyeword> i hav wg311 working
[10:52] <skeyeword> just not w/ wpa yet
[10:52] <gro> rellik_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[10:54] <thully> anyone had trouble w/openoffice in hoary lately?  mine seems to take 2 min to start (rather than 10-15 secs as it usually does)
[10:54] <rellik_> ah ok thanks gro..  added universe and multiverse to my apt :)
[10:55] <gro> rellik_: you may add restricted too ;)
[10:55] <spiral> thully: mine works fine
[10:55] <haggai> thully: does it start faster when you do this: SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=1 openoffice
[10:55] <rellik_> gro: heh yeah apt had that already
[10:56] <imka> hi
[10:57] <thully> the problem only occurs when I start from the GNOME menu, curiously (not when I use openoffice or SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=1 openoffice)
[10:57] <imka> if i login to my ubuntu system remotely (ssh) and start a download with wget, will the download continued if i close the ssh session here? i wanna start downloading smthg and have it finished by the time i get home
[10:57] <rellik_> imka use screen
[10:58] <haggai> thully: oh different problem then
[10:58] <quittt> what is Ubuntu?
[10:58] <NanoTek> An OS based on Linux
[10:58] <haggai> quittt: www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:58] <rellik_> imka no the dl will stop when you close the session(unless you use screen)
[10:58] <NanoTek> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:58] <imka> rellik_ how does that work? im not sure i have it installed here. let's see
[10:59] <jakroon> Anyone know if Mono will be included in Hoary ?
[10:59] <rellik_> screen comes in ubuntu
[10:59] <imka> im not using ubuntu at the moment
[10:59] <quittt> what is ubuntu focus?
[10:59] <imka> jakroon tell me about mono. i keep hearing about it
[11:00] <jakroon> imka, its a runtime environment for linux, in order to run .NET applications
[11:00] <quittt> why use Ubuntu not Slackware?
[11:00] <imka> jakroon, ive never done any coding and im seriously considering mono
[11:01] <jakroon> imka, using Mono together with Gtk# is really sweet
[11:01] <rellik_> does mono come with an IDE for writing code for the windows RE?
[11:01] <imka> jakroon, i have some gtk apps on my mind i would write.
[11:01] <gro> rellik_: try searching for monodevelop
[11:01] <jakroon> rellik_, I'm not MonoDevelop has been ported to Win32, but they always have SharpDevelop
[11:02] <crypticreign> hmm, xmms only buffers this stream up to 19/32KB and uses 100% cpu
[11:02] <jakroon> "sure"
[11:05] <fraggsta> Has anyone here been having problems with Openoffice segfaulting?  Whenever I try to run oowriter (or any other OO program) it segfaults.
[11:06] <fraggsta> I'm running hoary.
[11:06] <borgista> who decides these names anyways? hoary? warty?
[11:07] <BockBilbo> has anynone tried to use Open Office 1.9.69 in ubuntu?
[11:07] <borgista> no
[11:07] <borgista> no
[11:07] <kent> finally beep media player works in Hoary again. Its mich nicer then xmms ;)
[11:07] <tanek> anybody knows how to get sound working with stuff run through wine?
[11:07] <fraggsta> BockBilbo, yes, and it segfaults :(
[11:07] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:07] <BockBilbo> what do you mean?...
[11:07] <gro> kent: sure, now we need an crossover plugin ;)
[11:08] <kent> gro, crossover plugin?
[11:08] <fraggsta> jrw6@pants:~ $ oowriter
[11:08] <fraggsta> Segmentation fault
[11:08] <BockBilbo> ohm...
[11:08] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:08] <gro> kent: to fade tracks
[11:09] <gro> i meant crossfade of course ;)
[11:09] <kent> gro, oh..  i never use that. Im just happy to have it working. it stoped working some time ago, kept segfaulting :(
[11:10] <kent> sad to read on bmp's homepage that their homepage had been hacked :(
[11:10] <fraggsta> there's been a lot of that happening recently
[11:12] <mjk> hi all
[11:12] <skeyeword> yo
[11:12] <mjk> I have a small problem with newly installed ubuntu
[11:12] <borgista> hello.
[11:13] <liquidhex> What is a transparent terminal that there is an apt-get for..
[11:13] <liquidhex> or is there such a thing
[11:13] <borgista> you make it transpert with the options.
[11:13] <Quest-Master> liquidhex: it's easy
[11:13] <mjk> for some reason, this ubuntu install resolves all names to <IP_ADDRESS> and it seems that for some reason the dns server isn't used at all even if the address is correct at the /etc/resolv.conf file.
[11:13] <borgista> transparent*
[11:13] <liquidhex> can the stock xterm do it? my tcpdump window is -bg black
[11:13] <borgista> ???
[11:13] <gabaug> lifeless: the standard gnome-terminal can do it, just edit your 'profile'
[11:14] <lifeless> ?
[11:14] <bretzel> Hi again :-) -- Question: I realize that Ubuntu /  or Debian ENV setup is a bit cryptic: /etc/profile contains refs to all sort of evn setup script - But I need to set vars such as CVSROOT; CVS_RSH etc ... Where can I put it for system wide ???
[11:14] <liquidhex> Quest-Master, how do i do it then
[11:14] <gabaug> lifeless: Edit -> Current Profile -> Effects
[11:15] <Quest-Master> liquidhex: Edit -> Current Profile -> Effects -> Set Transparency
[11:15] <Quest-Master> ack
[11:15] <Quest-Master> gabaug got me to it. :P
[11:15] <lifeless> gabaug: I don't use gnoem-terminal, why are you telling me this stuff ?
[11:15] <gabaug> lifeless: whatever, have fun with xterm
[11:15] <bretzel> ??
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Wait
[11:16] <gro> lifeless: liquidhex asked the question, gabaug didn't hit the tab key enough times ;)
[11:16] <Quest-Master> There is difference between lifeless and liquidhex..
[11:16] <Quest-Master> hehe.
[11:16] <gabaug> lifeless: whoops, sorry :)
[11:16] <cavediver> Is there a good, modern cd/dvd writer application in Gnome ?
[11:16] <cavediver> I can't find one.
[11:16] <Killerbunny> I got a problem with my soundcard.. im currently on a  dell 8500, and hotplug failed to find my card.
[11:16] <borgista> just use nautilus cd burner.
[11:17] <borgista> that's what i use.
[11:17] <Killerbunny> Any suggestions?
[11:17] <gro> cavediver: nope not yet, want to write one? ;)
[11:17] <cavediver> borgista: i do, but it's limited i think.
[11:17] <liquidhex> Umm
[11:17] <cavediver> gro: If I had the skills :)
[11:17] <borgista> it is.
[11:17] <liquidhex> Where is this edit -> current profile?
[11:17] <gro> sme here cavediver ;)
[11:17] <liquidhex> not at the top of my xterm
[11:18] <bretzel> please id someone free for telling me how I can put ENV varibales for system wide such CVSROOT value ???
[11:18] <gro> liquidhex: it is at the top of the gnome-terminal
[11:18] <liquidhex> oh shit
[11:18] <liquidhex> sorry.. thanks
[11:18] <gabaug> bretzel: you can probably put it into /etc/bash.bashrc
[11:18] <bretzel> sorry full of thumbs
[11:18] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:19] <bretzel> gabaug: I tried but it seems not working ( echo $CVSROOT" is empty :-(
[11:19] <gabaug> bretzel: what line did you add to the rc file?
[11:20] <bretzel> export CVSROOT="..."
[11:20] <gro> bretzel: did you try to log of and then log back on?
[11:20] <gabaug> bretzel: you'll have to reopen your current terminal, or 'source' the rc file by doing . /etc/bash.bashrc
[11:20] <bretzel> indeed, after re-loging it doesn't shows the var
[11:21] <gabaug> bretzel: try sourcing the file by hand to make sure it works when done manually
[11:22] <bretzel> ok thanks, I am searching other way of the right file to edit :-)
[11:24] <bretzel> gabaug: DUH!!!! I am not only full of thumbs here -- It was a typo! :-) sory for the disturb :-)
[11:26] <crypticreign> xmms only tries to buffer and uses 100% cpu.. ive tried a few different streams
[11:26] <liquidhex> How can I change the poo-colored titlebars from brown?
[11:28] <misionero> i had a problem with the distro
[11:28] <fraggsta> liquidhex, desktop -> preferences -> theme
[11:29] <liquidhex> fraggsta, cool. thanks.
[11:29] <misionero> I've just tried to install it, but it fails in the stage of mounting the cdrom
[11:29] <misionero> what could that be??
[11:31] <fraggsta> misionero, can you get to a terminal and type "dmesg"?  might give you a clue
[11:31] <htodd> what filesystems are available in the installer?
[11:31] <fraggsta> htodd, just about every filesystem linux supports.  I saw ext2, ext3, reiser, xfs
[11:32] <liquidhex> cool.. how do I take a screenshot now?
[11:32] <fraggsta> desktop -> take screenshot :)
[11:32] <liquidhex> lol :D
[11:35] <htodd> fraggsta: thanks.
[11:36] <froust> I just installed the new ati drivers (synaptic downloaded - then changed ati->fglrx) and now i'm stuck with 640X480 resolution... anyone know how i can fix this?
[11:40] <rellik_> can't get sound to work :( the onboard soundcard doesn't work (even in windows) so I have a PCI card in..  the ubuntu volume control lists 4 devices..  all are unmuted with vloume up but still no sound :(  anyone know how to fix this?
[11:40] <misionero> fraggsta hdc: command error: status 0x51
[11:41] <misionero> hdc: command error: error 0x54
[11:41] <mwh> hi, im having a problem with evolution/spamassassin, its very slow :( anyone know what I can do to speed it up?
[11:42] <froust> Can anyone help me set up my ati card?
[11:43] <fraggsta> misionero, I can only suggest that you use a different CD drive
[11:43] <Killerbunny> I have a dell laptop 8500, but i cant make the soundcard work.
[11:43] <misionero> ok
[11:43] <K-Rich> crimsun: you here?
[11:43] <misionero> ill try thtat
[11:43] <neofeed> how can I get the MAC address of an incomming connection?
[11:43] <Killerbunny> I know it works under debian, but im getting errors when i boot in the hotplug part.
[11:44] <neofeed> say I listen on a given port and want to get the MAC address of the connecting interface... how would I do that?
[11:45] <crimsun> K-Rich: yes, but not fully attentive.
[11:45] <fraggsta> neofeed, you want to get someone else's MAC address?
[11:45] <froust> When I try to change my screen resolution i get a message saying "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension."
[11:45] <K-Rich> crimsun: can you tell me your repository again so i can reget mplayer?
[11:46] <neofeed> fraggsta, I try to setup some image service. That will serve local boxes with a disk image. But as those boxes have different hardware. they might require different images. Thus I'd like to decide wich image to serve based on the MAC
[11:46] <Killerbunny> K-Rich, its in the unofficial docs.
[11:46] <crimsun> K-Rich: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[11:46] <BockBilbo> crimsun, is it possible to recover the runlevels config??
[11:47] <fraggsta> froust, I think a better way to get X working well is to do this:  log out, shut down GDM, do "X -configure" as root and then copy the resulting /root/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf (depending whether you run X.Org or XFree)
[11:47] <BockBilbo> ive done an rm /etc/ without meaning to... and now ubuntu doesnt boot
[11:47] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:47] <BockBilbo> sucks
[11:47] <BockBilbo> :'(
[11:47] <fraggsta> BockBilbo, oops..your installation is hosed :(
[11:47] <froust> fraggsta: i just installed the new ati drivers - does that matter, or should i still try x -configure
[11:47] <crimsun> BockBilbo: "runlevels config?" Do you mean /etc/inittab?
[11:47] <BockBilbo> yeah
[11:47] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:47] <K-Rich> crimsun: thanks
[11:48] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:48] <fraggsta> froust, it worked for me with nvidia drivers, so it should work with ATI..
[11:48] <crimsun> BockBilbo: cp /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab
[11:48] <BockBilbo> mm
[11:48] <froust> okeydokes.
[11:48] <BockBilbo> the problem is that i cannot login to ubuntu
[11:48] <BockBilbo> im in windows right now
[11:48] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:49] <fraggsta> wtf
[11:49] <crimsun> /etc and /var/lib/dpkg are both awful, awful things to muck up
[11:49] <fraggsta> I'm going to have to log out, my cursor just disappeared and won't reappear :(
[11:49] <NanoTek> BockBilbo, If you have deleted the whole /etc directory
[11:49] <froust> fragg: said missing output drivers, configuration failed.
[11:49] <NanoTek> I think you can make a new install
[11:49] <NanoTek> :p
[11:49] <BockBilbo> NanoTek, i have deleted all the files in the /etc directory
[11:50] <BockBilbo> but not the directories inside the /etc directory
[11:50] <froust> should i try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:50] <crimsun> froust: for Hoary's X.Org, yes
[11:50] <froust> k
[11:50] <BockBilbo> im gonna try smething..
[11:50] <NanoTek> you've deleted a lot of configuration files
[11:50] <BockBilbo> yeah
[11:50] <BockBilbo> i have most of them
[11:51] <BockBilbo> but from a warty installation i had a month ago
[11:51] <BockBilbo> should i try copying them from the backup image to the actual linux drive?
[11:51] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:52] <froust> No luck - resolution is still stuck
[11:52] <froust> what about running fglrxconfig?
[11:55] <crimsun> froust: sorry, I don't have scrollback.


[02:18] <Keybuk> queue_fsck: /mnt: queuing check
[02:18] <Keybuk> mountall:mountall.c:564: Assertion failed in update_mount_dev_ids: mnt->udev_device != NULL
[02:18] <Keybuk> damnit, ion
[02:18] <Keybuk> ;)
[02:19] <ion> Huh
[02:20] <ion> Isn’t the only point where queue_fsck is called right after there’s an udev_device and it gets assigned to mnt->udev_device? :-P
[02:20] <Keybuk> no ;-)
[02:21] <Keybuk> what's the _needed thing about?
[02:22] <ion> update_mount_dev_ids only does its work if _needed is true, that is, an udev event that might have updated the mapping has been received.
[02:22] <Keybuk> right
[02:22] <Keybuk> just trying to understand the logic :p
[02:28] <Keybuk> it looks like the update_mount_dev_ids can be just called in fsck_lock()
[02:28] <Keybuk> and that should do the no-device => always lock thing
[02:28] <ion> But always lock what?
[02:28] <Keybuk> loopback mounted image :)
[02:29] <ion> The logic probably should be extended to follow that image to the partition it resides on, and that partition to the physical devices.
[02:31] <Keybuk> possibly
[02:31] <Keybuk> except that the partition it resides on must be already mounted :p
[02:31] <Keybuk> so there's little point <g>
[02:32] <Keybuk> already mounted => already checked
[02:32] <ion> Other images to be fscked may be on that partition.
[02:32] <Keybuk> a fair point
[02:32] <Keybuk> but then, arguably, you don't want to mount it either
[02:33] <Keybuk> so the same locks should be applied to mounts too
[02:33] <ion> Can mount be that IO-intensive? I can see a journal may need to be handled or something like that, but still.
[02:34] <Keybuk> if that's /usr
[02:34] <Keybuk> and the other thing is /whatever
[02:34] <Keybuk> then that means the boot will continue
[02:34] <Keybuk> that's IO intensive :p
[02:35] <ion> But it might just as well get to lock /whatever first and delay /usr. One could implement priorities, of course.
[02:36] <Keybuk> :)
[02:36] <Keybuk> it's one of those problems that gets deeper the longer you look at it, isn't it
[02:36] <ion> Heh
[02:41] <Keybuk> pushed to my branch
[02:41] <Keybuk> feel free to much aroun
[02:41] <Keybuk> muck around!
[02:41] <ion> With the fsck queue, the worst case scenario is that /usr gets fscked after /whatever, but because there’s no disk thrashing (if you have a HDD), it’s still faster than the worst case scenario with everything being parallel and fsck instances spending most of their time waiting for the disk to seek. I have no hard data, but i’d expect the worst mount to still be so fast it doesn’t need queuing. With queue prioritization, one could get the boot time even ...
[02:42] <ion> ... faster, of course.
[02:42] <ion> Thanks. I’ll try to look at the loop mount case.  I just expected rebase to reset the branch to that state and then notice it doesn’t need to do anything else. You know that frustration you get with git, because you’re not used to its workflow? I haven’t studied bzr enough to be entirely familiar with its inner workings, so i get a similar thing with bzr. :-P
[02:59] <Keybuk> heh
[02:59] <ion> % bzr reset --help
[02:59] <ion> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "reset"
[02:59] <Keybuk> revert ;)
[02:59] <ion> bzr checkout does the wrong thing, too :-P
[03:00] <Keybuk> bzr's command set is more like svn's
[03:01] <Keybuk> whereas git's is more like an evening at the pleasure of the spanish inquisition's more perverted torturer
[03:01] <ion> With loop mounts, mnt->device is /foo/image, right?
[03:01] <Keybuk> yes
[03:01] <Keybuk> unless it's /dev/loop0 ;p
[03:09] <ion> Would it be ok to iterate through mnt->deps and set dep->udev_device = udev_device if it dep->device looks like an image file near the line that sets mnt->udev_device in try_udev_device?
[03:11] <Keybuk> isn't that wrong?
[03:12] <Keybuk> ie. exactly the wrong way around
[03:12] <Keybuk> mnt->udev_device = dep->udev_device is maybe right
[03:12] <Keybuk> but then how do you deal with multiple parents?
[03:13] <ion> Ah, i guessed the meaning of mnt->deps incorrectly, assuming it would be nicer to keep a list of ‘which mounts depend on this one’, so that they can be handled easily when ‘this one’ is ready.
[03:14] <Keybuk> I did the opposite
[03:14] <Keybuk> it turns out to be more reliable
[03:27] <ion> Now i need a struct udev *udev handle in update_physical_dev_ids, which may not have a mnt->udev_device. Would it be okay to make udev file-global?
[03:28] <ion> update_mount_dev_ids, that is, which i think should be renamed as update_physical_dev_ids. :-)
[03:43] <Keybuk> sure fiddle away ;)
[03:50] <ion> How to commit certain changes to a file, leaving the rest for the next commit?
[03:50] <ion> in bzr
[03:50] <ion> Similar to git add -p
[04:36] <ion> keybuk: Pushed to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ion/ubuntu/karmic/mountall/fsck-locking
[04:57] <sadmac> ion: bzr shelve is how you do add -p stuff. Its git stash essentially. You put away the bits you /don't/ want to commit
[04:57] <ion> Alright, thanks
[10:38] <mugwump> Sometimes, when a system goes wrong, you need to go through the boot process piece by piece
[10:39] <mugwump> With SysV-style init, this is relatively easy.  How do I debug very early stage bootup problems using upstart?
[10:41] <mugwump> I just replaced a hard-drive, see, and so I copied over using 'dd'
[10:41] <mugwump> chaos is ensuing..
[13:38] <mgoetze> in upstart 0.3, is there some way to specify that the post-stop script should only be run if the main script ran successfully?
[14:22] <sadmac2> mgoetze: you can tell from one of the environment variables whether the service is stopping or failing... don't remember what its called...
[14:22] <sadmac2> mgoetze: but basically you could do that and just have your post stop script quit immediately if the service failed.
[15:01] <Keybuk> actually you can't
[15:02] <sadmac2> Keybuk: not exported there/
[15:02] <sadmac2> *?
[15:04] <Keybuk> right
[15:09] <sadmac2> oh, he said 0.3, right.
[15:09] <sadmac2> Keybuk: we changed that in 0.6 didn't we?
[15:23] <ion> keybuk: It seems 0.2.0~ never remounts the root partition rw. I’ll investigate today.
[15:32] <Keybuk> ion: yeah I know why that is ;)
[15:32] <Keybuk> bit of a think-o
[15:33] <ion> keybuk: But other than that, the locking and everything seems to work with the PPA package. My branch also seems to handle the locking for loop mounts correctly.
[18:11] <Nattgew_> how should i run a script at startup and shutdown using upstart?
[18:13] <sadmac2> Nattgew_: depends on when precisely you want that to happen
[18:13] <Nattgew_> well i have a script that i usually run at 99 on boot and at 01 at shutdown with the sysv scripts...
[18:15] <sadmac2> Nattgew_: if you're on ubuntu or fedora, just install it as a sysv script like usual and it'll get run. If you're on another distro with a different/more exotic upstart config it'll depend on how they've set it up.
[18:16] <Nattgew_> ok, i'm on ubuntu... i think i'm going to try using /etc/gdm/PreSession and PostSession
[18:17] <sadmac2> Nattgew_: that does something slightly different. Possibly better.
[18:18] <Nattgew_> yeah, i think it's more what i want. thanks for the info.
[18:18] <sadmac2> np
[19:30] <x-warrior> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 Beta, installed bootchart and now i noticed that the boot time is longer. So I was thinking, the boot time increased? Or now with upstart bootchart can get a better (more real) time?
[19:32] <sadmac2> x-warrior: might be more of a #ubuntu question, but I think I heard something about them starting boot chart earlier now (though its nothing to do with upstart)
[19:32] <x-warrior> sadmac2, ok, sorry I will ask at ubuntu ;)


[05:58] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  inetpro  Squirm  and others
[06:09] <bushtech> Hi Kilos and others
[06:09] <Kilos> hi bushtech  howsit?
[06:10] <Kilos> is die winter nou verby?
[06:10] <bushtech> Kilos: I'm good, at least it's warming up and my signal seems to be better
[06:11] <Kilos> thats our biggest probs hey, cold and bad signal
[06:11] <Kilos> hehe
[06:11] <Kilos> actually my signal is good
[06:11] <bushtech> Yeah, lol
[06:12] <Kilos> time for veld fires not verby yet
[06:12] <bushtech> that's for sure
[06:14] <bushtech> had a biggie last week, burned down half of Dikgathlong( the old Twin Rivers Aventura resort)
[06:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:01] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist
[09:11] <charl> morning all
[09:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:11] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:11] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[09:11] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[09:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[09:23] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[09:23] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:44] <charl> hi Kilos
[11:09] <charl> hi StonedAlchemist
[11:09] <StonedAlchemist> Hi charl
[11:13] <StonedAlchemist> Howsit going?
[11:15] <Kilos> ohi Gremble
[11:15] <Kilos> wb
[11:15] <Gremble> Hey Kilos
[12:21] <Kilos> wbb
[12:33] <Gremble> ipython is pretty cool
[13:03] <smile> hi :p
[13:07] <Gremble> hello smile
[13:08] <Gremble> On a bad day, are you 'frown'? :o
[13:25] <charl> hi smile
[13:29] <smile> ? :o
[13:29] <smile> @ Gremble
[13:32] <Gremble> haha It was a simple joke from my side, don't worry about it :P
[18:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:11] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[18:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:11] <Kilos> yay there is some life here
[18:15] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:15] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias
[18:15] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[18:16] <smile> hi! ;)
[18:17] <smile> have you seen this, Kilos ? :p
[18:17] <smile> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:DodeLinkMeldingen-current.png
[18:17] <Kilos> nope lemme look
[18:18] <Kilos> under 3000 now
[18:34] <smile> yes!  :D
[18:40] <Kilos> keep it up lad, you doing a good job
[18:40] <Kilos> werethose all error 404
[18:41] <smile> no, also error 403, wrong redirects etc :p
[18:42] <smile> or getaddress failed = website down
[18:42] <smile> :p
[18:42] <smile> (timeout error)
[18:43] <smile> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg:Steve_Ditko <- example
[18:44] <Kilos> or check your spelling
[18:45] <smile> where? :)
[18:45] <smile> you mean type errors? ;
[18:45] <smile> ;)
[18:45] <Kilos> no man ive had times when a link failed
[18:46] <smile> Oh yeah. :p
[18:46] <smile> that's what I call small fixes :)
[18:46] <Kilos> and the browser says check your spelling
[18:49] <smile> that's right :)
[18:49] <Kilos> well keep it up soon those probs will be fewer
[18:52] <smile> I did 52 pages today, yesterday I did ~100 and the day before that I did 200 pages :p
[18:52] <smile> So we're quite advancing :p
[18:52] <smile> Today is a bit misleading, because I fixed problems at a larger scale with my bot, but those aren't reflected in the counts :p
[18:53] <smile> I'm going to bed now. Good night :)
[18:53] <Kilos> sleep tight lad
[18:53] <smile> thanks! :)
[18:53] <smile> you too :)
[18:53] <Kilos> ty
[19:08] <magespawn> good evening
[19:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[19:09] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[19:09] <magespawn> how are things in za land tonight?
[19:09] <Kilos> getting warmer so lekker
[19:13] <magespawn> cool beans
[19:13] <Kilos> warm beans better
[19:14] <magespawn> do you know how to show spaces in commands in the terminal?
[19:14] <Kilos> whew
[19:19] <Kilos> superfly  you should know
[19:20] <superfly> I know nothing, you can't blame me!
[19:20] <Kilos> magespawn  why do you want to show them, spaces are just that
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <Kilos> no man
[19:20] <Kilos> how to make spaces show
[19:20] <magespawn> as in sudo cp /media/magespawn/The Deep Blue/Desktops /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/
[19:20] <magespawn> see the The Deep Blue in the middle?
[19:21] <Kilos> i just see gaps
[19:21] <magespawn> if you type it like that the terminal does not execute the command
[19:21] <Kilos> oh
[19:21] <Kilos> also finding paths with spaces dont work
[19:22] <Kilos> i often rename stuff so i can show a path
[19:23] <Kilos> rename The Deep Blue to thedeepblue
[19:23] <superfly> magespawn: quote it or escape the spaces
[19:23] <magespawn> cp: cannot stat ‘/media/magespawn/The’: No such file or directory
[19:23] <magespawn> cp: cannot stat ‘Deep’: No such file or directory
[19:23] <magespawn> cp: cannot stat ‘Blue/Desktops’: No such file or directory
[19:23] <magespawn> there is away to do it but i cannot remember
[19:24] <magespawn> like so superfly '/media/magespawn/The Deep Blue/Desktops' ?
[19:24] <superfly> yuhuh
[19:25] <magespawn> cp: omitting directory ‘/media/magespawn/The Deep Blue/Desktops’ is that because it is a directory
[19:28] <magespawn> i should use -r ?
[19:28] <Kilos> magespawn  try rsync it
[19:28] <Kilos> im just groping
[19:30] <Kilos> or drag and drop it to where you want it
[19:30] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:30] <magespawn> the -r worked
[19:31] <Kilos> cool remember that now
[19:31] <Kilos> write it down then lose the paper
[19:31] <magespawn> so the command should be sudo cp -r '/media/magespawn/The Deep Blue/Desktops' /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/
[19:31] <Kilos> well done
[19:31] <magespawn> i think those can be single or double qoutes
[19:31] <Kilos> you just needed some moral support
[19:31] <magespawn> quotes
[19:33] <magespawn> indeed, rubber duck, ty
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:35] <magespawn> could also be sudo cp -r /media/magespawn/The\ Deep\ Blue/Desktops /usr/share/xfce/backdrops
[19:35] <magespawn> the back slash is the escape character as far as i know
[19:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:56] <magespawn> good night all


[08:26] <dexterp> Hello there! I'm trying to figure out which build flags are used to build the Firefox version which is shipped with Ubuntu. Is there any document about that?
[08:26]  * dexterp couldn't found any on the Wiki
[13:40] <dexterp> anyone? :(
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> dexterp, do you not have access to an ubuntu install?
[13:46] <dexterp> chrisccoulson, yes, I do
[13:46] <chrisccoulson> dexterp, can't you just look at about:buildconfig? Or is there anything else you're looking for?
[13:48] <dexterp> chrisccoulson, I was interested in understanding if a custom .mozconfig was used and which options were turned off/on (I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompileFirefoxNewVersion, but seems to be outdated)
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> dexterp, there is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.wily/view/head:/debian/config/mozconfig.in, but that's pre-processed
[13:53] <dexterp> ah, thanks chrisccoulson