[12:45] <Danix803> Hello
[12:45] <Danix803> World
[12:46] <Danix803> I have a question about the Chrome9 drivers???
[12:49] <Danix803> The OpenChrome page lists P4VM800 but does not list P4VM900... but the for more information link lists P4VM900...
[12:49] <Danix803> My question is: Does the OpenChrome driver work with the P4VM900 MB???
[12:51] <Danix803> Also: Is there a way to undo what the driver does? I've reloaded the OS for this computer 4 times and it getting old very fast... I've tried copying and renaming x's conf file but that doesn't seem to work once I've installed any of these Chrome drivers
[13:16] <Danix803> Hello Cody-somerville
[13:20] <mcgrewd> Hello World
[13:20] <jjesse> hello
[13:20] <mcgrewd> RU part of the OpenChrome team???
[13:21] <mcgrewd> RU part of the OpenChrome team???
[13:22] <mcgrewd> Thanks jjesse... I didn't think that anyone could see my messages
[13:23] <mcgrewd> There is a list of names in the left panel... is that a list of people in this channel???
[13:24] <mcgrewd> do I have to type 'msg #ubuntu-doc my text, everytime I want people to see what I'm typing???
[13:24] <jjesse> yes the list on the left is everyone in the channel
[13:24] <jjesse> no you don't have to type msg # before typing
[13:25] <jjesse> what client are you using?
[13:25] <mcgrewd> I was just wondering... KSirc
[21:12] <danix803> Hello
[21:13] <danix803> I'm still trying to get in touch with the OpenChrome team
[22:52] <danix803> Okay


[12:49] <Mirv> yay, https://launchpad.net/~arter97/+archive/ubuntu/unity (required on 16.04 LTS with hidpi due to bug #1689356 regression)
[12:49] <Mirv> I wish it could be evaluated whether the backported problem causing patches could be reverted


[12:19] <Burgwork> jgedeon: where in the US are you?
[12:33] <Burgwork> Laser_away: you still around?
[12:33] <jgedeon> Sorry about that.
[12:33] <jgedeon> In North East Ohio
[12:41] <Burgwork> jgedeon: no need to be sorry, did you hear my question?
[12:41] <jgedeon> Burgwork: yes I said in North East Ohio.
[12:42] <Burgwork> ah, didn't catch that
[12:42] <Burgwork> I apparently dropped for a bit
[12:42] <Burgwork> there are a bunch of ltsp devs in the midwest region
[12:43] <jgedeon> A couple of years ago I was helping a teacher in the school and one thing led to another and now we are looking at *nix district wide...
[12:44] <jgedeon> It's already been officially said that they want to try Edubuntu in the primary and Intermediate buildings.
[12:46] <Burgwork> cool
[12:47] <Burgwork> there is also somebody using Edubuntu in Illionios
[12:47] <Burgwork> as part of their state-wide rollout
[12:48] <jgedeon> Cool.  Then we won't be the only ones.  Makes one feel better.  LOL  Even though I don't think Edubuntu will have a problem it's just nice to know there are others.
[12:48] <jgedeon> In the area so to say.
[12:48] <cliebow_>  we are as close as your netrwork connection 8`)
[12:48] <jgedeon> LOL
[12:50] <jgedeon> I do know that the media will be watching this.  So it should be pretty interesting for Ubuntu as a whole!    The County Superintendent is keeping a close eye on this to and has an interest in it.
[12:50] <cliebow_> jgedeon: we switched cave hill to ltsp three years ago..but in libranet..then redhat..soon to e edubuntu
[12:50] <Burgwork> ah, libranet
[12:50] <Burgwork> cliebow_: which cave hill?
[12:51] <Burgwork> jgedeon: ironically I work for a company that sells a competing solution
[12:51] <cliebow_> at the time we  had a tech guy there..teaching first grade..but budget consolidation made him go
[12:51] <cliebow_> mAINE
[12:51] <cliebow_> when he left i puit all six schools in rhel3..
[12:51] <jgedeon> cliebow_: I think I have read something about your school on the internet while researching.
[12:52] <cliebow_> probably...i  admin six in Ellsworth and sis in surrounding union 92
[12:53] <jgedeon> cliebow_: how many clients are you running per server?
[12:53] <cliebow_> cliebow prob brings up all sorts of fabrications
[12:53] <cliebow_> i have a hundred in the high school..never more than 40 aT a time on
[12:54] <cliebow_> i ve been doing ltsp five years or so
[12:54] <jgedeon> cliebow_: what kind of server spec's are you running if you don't mind me asking?
[12:55] <cliebow_> eagle2 is 4 gig memory..have to look at the rest for you..dual opteron perhaps..
[12:55] <jgedeon> And 40 is at once is about the limit?
[12:56] <cliebow_> no..with no runaway forefoxes or online games we could do more
[12:56] <jgedeon> Ok..  KEWL
[12:56] <cliebow_> we have a trio..ldapserver//ltsp...fileserver
[12:57] <jgedeon> cliebow_: do you know what software your districts are using for reading comprehension?
[12:57] <cliebow_> well we are using read180...lexia//carnegie learning
[12:58] <cliebow_> yeah..dual opteron 1792 mhz 64 bit..
[12:58] <jgedeon> trying to find the name of the one they are currently using on doze network.
[12:59] <jgedeon> 3yo servers?
[12:59] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I am now
[12:59] <cliebow_> two hefty servers...one is files gfor all six schools..the other ltsp for high school..
[01:00] <cliebow_> and a pos fgor ldap
[01:00] <cliebow_> authentication
[01:00] <jgedeon> cliebow_: ok.
[01:01] <cliebow_> it comes and goes..still have a fifth grade pod of seven run by a totally non-savvy teacher..who loves it
[01:02] <cliebow_> i look in at every ubuntu release..other than that it just works
[01:02] <jgedeon> cliebow_: that is what I am seeing.
[01:03] <cliebow_> GReat..any help i can be just holler..i am in #ltsp most of the time
[01:05] <jgedeon> cliebow_: Thanks.  I have set up a couple of smaller labs just for testing but am looking at doing something a little bigger so that I can show the others more of a hands on and to do some training on so that they aren't blind sideded.
[01:06] <cliebow_> good...i have mine set up to feed the whole building..single nic..but some prefer the lab type setup
[01:06] <cliebow_> you are doing ltsp?
[01:08] <jgedeon> Yes ltsp, don't see a reason not to go ltsp.  Hoping to break the grades into like pods.  Think there will be 5 to 7 clients in a room.
[01:08] <jgedeon> cliebow_: is your network a mixxed network with *nix and M$?
[01:10] <cliebow_> oh yeah....osx nix ms..like 200 laptops just in the high school
[01:10] <cliebow_> 200 osx laptops..
[01:11] <cliebow_> maine laptop initiative...
[01:11] <jgedeon> Ok.
[01:11] <cliebow_> prob 400 ibooks in lall
[01:11] <cliebow_> for this district
[01:12] <jgedeon> Ok.
[01:14] <cliebow_> that is why i was so hot getting ltsp to wwork on ppc
[01:14] <cliebow_> i find the litlle bast..ds a pain..\
[01:17] <jgedeon> cliebow_: with the changes in ppc I don't think we will really be worrying about those since everything we have is so outdated and we are basically going to be starting out from scratch.
[01:23] <cliebow_> i started out with nubus mac...
[01:24] <cliebow_> my  terminals  are all junk donated..netvistas..boxes from the banks..the airforce..
[01:26] <cliebow_> 200 meg  boxes retired from the career  essentials labs
[01:37] <cliebow_> packing it in..til tomorrow
[01:37] <MrWizard14> ok, c ya
[01:50] <adrenalin1983> Anyone got some spare time to help me with something?
[01:51] <adrenalin1983> I need help with my video card
[02:35] <a_ty> can help me to enable 3D vga client
[03:47] <yo_> please help me
[03:48] <yo_>  to enable client 3D VGA card
[03:50] <Burgundavia> yo_: what is the make of your video card
[03:50] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:07] <a_ty> yo
[04:08] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you pinged me earlier today, anything special?
[04:08] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I forgot
[04:08] <LaserJock> k
[04:09] <a_ty> what
[04:10] <a_ty> what's the mean of laserjock. may i know
[04:12] <LaserJock> what does "LaserJock" mean?
[04:20] <a_ty> yeah
[04:32] <LaserJock> well, LASER is Light Amplified by Spontaneous Emission of Radiation
[04:32] <LaserJock> and Jock is kinda like an enthusiast
[05:07] <|speed|> can help me to configuration 3D vga card client
[05:09] <bimberi> |speed|: what kind of video card? nvidia? ati?
[07:34] <cbx33> hi alll
[07:36] <cbx33> hey burgundavia, howz it looking
[07:36] <RichEd> 'lo cbx33
[07:37] <cbx33> hey riched
[07:38] <RichEd> cbx33: pm4u
[07:38] <cbx33> i'm nagging as usual
[07:38] <RichEd> s/lagging/nagging ?
[07:38] <cbx33> nope nagging
[07:39] <Alpha_Cluster> wow people do actaully talk in here
[07:39] <cbx33> heh
[07:39] <cbx33> right i gotta go get up
[07:42] <cbx33>  /me bugs burgundavia one last time book book book.....
[07:42] <cbx33> i'm outta here
[09:10] <phoenix24> i am working on my idea, which i think could be a useful app for Edubuntu
[09:10] <phoenix24> is this the right place to get feedback on it?
[09:18] <highvoltage> phoenix24: yep
[09:18] <highvoltage> phoenix24: welcome to edubuntu
[09:18] <highvoltage> phoenix24: most people are still sleeping though :)
[09:21] <phoenix24> i guess so..
[09:22] <phoenix24> My Application is called WISIWYS; pronounced "wizz e wizz"
[09:25] <phoenix24> and i call it What-I-See-Is What-You-See
[09:25] <phoenix24> catered more towards, situtations like; a classroom; a workshop; or a seminar. Where the lead presenter wants all the attendees to focus on his screen, or rather their own which is a replica of his own( if everyone has one)
[09:26] <highvoltage> what technologies does it use?
[09:26] <phoenix24> X11 backend, GTK+
[09:26] <highvoltage> would it work with clients that are connected via ssh -X ?
[09:27] <phoenix24> would primarily be messing around with the X11 protocols
[09:27] <highvoltage> I suggest you mail about it to edubuntu-devel at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[09:27] <phoenix24> i am yet to refine the idea, was thinking if it even had a potential ?
[09:27] <highvoltage> if it could be incorporated into the current edubuntu tools, that would be great
[09:28] <highvoltage> it has potential, yes, ogra and cbx33 are working on tools to do similar things
[09:28] <highvoltage> maybe you could contribute your ideas and knowledge?
[09:28] <highvoltage> if you hang around, they'll be in the channel a bit later.
[09:29] <phoenix24> a friend told me  to comtact orga. but he's not seen here now.
[09:29] <phoenix24> *contact
[09:30] <phoenix24> highvoltage: could give me the liks to orga's / cbx33's work on this?
[09:34] <highvoltage> ugh, I was just about to paste him the links
[09:36] <highvoltage> phoenix24: it was originally called the student control panel
[09:36] <highvoltage> phoenix24: here's the specification: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion
[09:36] <highvoltage> phoenix24: I think it's now called LTSP manager
[09:37] <highvoltage> phoenix24: but I suggest you hang arround for cbx33 and ogra for more details
[09:37] <phoenix24> yeah i will.
[01:15] <mherweg> hi edubuntu-people!  I tried to build CipUX on ubuntu and get this error: dh_installinit -pcipux-rpc -o --name=cipux-rpcd
[01:15] <mherweg> > Unknown option: o
[01:15] <mherweg> > dh_installinit: unknown option; aborting
[01:32] <phoenix24> hi ogra
[02:39] <wima> does anyone know where I can find a description of the local devices mechanism used in ubuntu ltsp?
[02:40] <wima> I'm having troubles with cdroms, and I don't really know where to begin debugging
[02:40] <wima> I fount this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-August/000339.html
[02:41] <wima> but it doesn't say anything about cdrom
[02:41] <wima> (other local devices work fine)
[02:56] <cliebow> wima:wiki.ltsp.org
[02:57] <wima> thqnks cliebow
[02:58] <wima> but that is about ltsp 4.2
[02:58] <wima> I belief there are quite some changes in ubuntu ltsp
[02:59] <wima> ( in ltsp 4.2 cdroms work, btw)
[03:01] <cliebow> ah..then ogra may be your best resource..i know he is wicked busy with beta freeze
[03:02] <wima> yeah, he was also the author of the mail i referenced
[03:02] <cliebow> i believe localdev system is the same..but dont quote me..
[03:02] <cliebow> pop in #ltsp..Gadi is there i know..
[03:02] <wima> I believe there are some changes in how things are mounted server side
[03:02] <cliebow> heh..was there
[03:03] <wima> on the client, things seem to work
[03:03] <wima> cd is mounted
[03:03] <cliebow> did you do the 12 step diagnosis?
[03:03] <wima> no. where can I find this?
[03:04] <wima> are those the ones at ltsp.org?
[03:04] <wima> are those applicable for ubuntu ltsp?
[03:05] <cliebow> well i thought so..still need ltspfsd and stuff
[03:06] <cliebow> what are permissions on /dev/fuse
[03:06] <wima> rw-rw----
[03:06] <wima> everyone is in the fuse group
[03:07] <wima> usb sticks work fine
[03:07] <wima> local hard drives as wel
[03:08] <wima> skimming trough the 12 steps, I see at least one step that goes wrong:
[03:08] <cliebow> hmmm
[03:08] <wima> "Does your workstation know its name?"
[03:08] <cliebow> that should bother all else though huh?
[03:08] <wima> I believe there is something wrong with the hostname script
[03:09] <ogra> its not needed in ltsp5 ....
[03:10] <wima> no, I thought so
[03:10] <wima> my dhcp server hqnds out hostnames based on mac
[03:10] <ogra> ltsp5 uses a socked of the ssh tunnel to communicate, you dont need any TCP stuff set up correctly for it ... (less error prone)
[03:10] <wima> I see the hostname scrolling by during boot
[03:11] <wima> but then it gets overwritten by the hostname of the server
[03:11] <ogra> in ltsp 4.2 a separate communication bus makes the TCP connection, so it depends on correct TCP setup there
[03:11] <cliebow> echo $DISPLAY on a client gives server name?
[03:11] <cliebow> seesm irrelevant anyway
[03:11] <ogra> cliebow, should give you :6 on a client
[03:12] <ogra> and at least localhst:11 in the session
[03:12] <wima> can you think of anything that can cause cdroms to fail while other devices work?
[03:12] <ogra> set a roowpw in the client chroot: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[03:13] <ogra> hit ctrl-alt-f1 on the client and log in as root ...
[03:13] <ogra> check if the cdpinger script is running
[03:13] <wima> I have an account with sudo rights
[03:13] <ogra> no
[03:13] <ogra> the chroot the client boots from is a completely independent system
[03:13] <ogra> it has no user accounts at all and root is locked
[03:14] <wima> yes, I know
[03:14] <ogra> so you need a rootpw to log in on the console on a booted client
[03:14] <wima> but I created one in the chroot
[03:14] <ogra> ah
[03:14] <ogra> ok
[03:14] <wima> cdpinger is running
[03:14] <ogra> hmm, then there is no reason you shouldnt see the CD
[03:14] <wima> this is a python script right?
[03:14] <ogra> yep
[03:15] <wima> it is mounted locally
[03:15] <wima> but it doesn't appear on the server
[03:15] <ogra> hmm, so cdpinger even works right
[03:15] <ogra> thats a bit weird
[03:16] <wima> sorry, it _used_ to work
[03:16] <wima> now not anymore
[03:16] <wima> and it won't give me back my cd
[03:17] <wima> for other devices, I saw two mounts on the server
[03:17] <wima> like:
[03:17] <wima> ltspfs on /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=wima)/tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 on /media/wima/floppy0 type none (rw,bind)
[03:17] <wima> sorry
[03:17] <wima> ltspfs on /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=wima)
[03:17] <wima> /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 on /media/wima/floppy0 type none (rw,bind)
[03:18] <wima> for cdroms, there was only one
[03:20] <ogra> hmm
[03:20] <ogra> check if /media/wima has a cdrom dir
[03:21] <wima> no
[03:21] <wima> maybe it did before I messed things up completely
[03:23] <wima> unfortunately I cannot reboot the server without having a lot of angry users
[03:24] <wima> (for the moment they are happy ltsp users, thank you very much :))
[03:25] <wima> is this what is supposed to happen?:
[03:25] <wima> 1. cdpinger sees that there is a cd and mounts the cdrom
[03:25] <wima> 2 server is notified
[03:26] <wima> 3. server mounts ltsp filesystem
[03:26] <ogra> right
[03:26] <wima> 4 ???
[03:26] <wima> this is then mounted again?
[03:26] <ogra> the only thing i could have imagined was that the dir wasnt deleted on unmount, it sometimes chokes on that
[03:27] <ogra> but if you say /media/wima is empty that cant be it
[03:27] <wima> well, floppy is there
[03:27] <wima> but no cdrom
[03:28] <wima> what is running on the server to manage these things?
[03:28] <wima> and can I get it to log something?
[03:29] <ogra> there is the ltspfsmounter script that gets executed through the tunnel
[03:29] <ogra> its respnsible for the payload connection
[03:30] <ogra> but if your floppy woirks all should be fine
[03:30] <wima> why are there two mounts for every device?
[03:31] <ogra> one is the ltspfs mount, the other is a bind mount, so the device ends up in /media/$USER
[03:31] <wima> ok
[03:31] <ogra> gnome-volumke manager monitors that dir
[03:32] <ogra> so we didnt need to touch the desktop with any hacks ;)
[03:32] <wima> strange then that the bind mount happened, but the ltspfs mount didn't
[03:32] <wima> the bind mount made the icon appear
[03:33] <ogra> right
[03:33] <ogra> and you bsee an empty dir if you open it
[03:33] <wima> can I run ltspfsmount manually?
[03:33] <wima> as a test?
[03:35] <ogra> hmm, might work
[03:38] <ogra> oh, wait !
[03:39] <ogra> check if a cdrom dir still is in /tmp/.$USER
[03:39] <ogra> ltspfsmounter wont work if either side exists ...
[03:39] <ogra> (either side of the bind mount)
[03:39] <wima> no
[03:39] <wima> well
[03:39] <wima> not anymore
[03:40] <wima> it was created when I tried ltfsmounter
[03:40] <wima> and then I used the remove option and it was gone
[03:40] <wima> (i have no idea what I am doing :))
[03:41] <ogra> try putting in a cdrom now
[03:41] <wima> problem is:
[03:41] <ogra> btw, is that edgy or feisty ?
[03:41] <wima> there is already a cdrom in, and it wont come out
[03:42] <ogra> oh
[03:43] <wima> umount -f on client says device is busy
[03:43] <ogra> oh
[03:43] <ogra> eject
[03:43] <ogra> well, indeed, you said you see the mount on the client ...
[03:44] <ogra> ususally there are no mounts as long as no data is transferred, ltspfs works dynamically
[03:44] <ogra> and unmounts the clientside secretly 2secs after the last byte was transferred
[03:45] <wima> eject: device is busy
[03:46] <ogra> well, thats very likely an HW issue, what kind of CD is that ?
[03:46] <ogra> plain data ? mixed audio/data ? or something differently weird ?
[03:46] <ogra> audio CDs are not yxet supported ...
[03:46] <wima> plain data
[03:46] <ogra> i havent tried mixed ones
[03:47] <wima> tried multiple workstations
[03:47] <wima> I could do an ls on client and see the data
[03:47] <ogra> right
[03:48] <ogra> which release is that ?
[03:50] <wima> edgy
[03:50] <ogra> k
[03:51] <ogra> run lsof on the client to see what hogs the CD
[03:51] <ogra> or better: lsof|grep cd
[03:51] <wima> already tried it
[03:51] <wima> nothing
[03:52] <wima> maybe best to reboot client
[03:52] <wima> is there anything I can do server side so everything is clean?
[03:53] <wima> remove tmp/user-ltsp?
[03:53] <wima> and /media/user/*
[03:54] <ogra> if you shut down from the clients login manager (with the button on te bottom left) a cleanup script is run
[03:54] <ogra> that will delete all dirs
[03:54] <wima> ok
[03:54] <wima> ah, the button doen't work on this machine
[03:54] <wima> it works on all others
[03:55] <wima> it just freezes
[03:55] <wima> I will check if everything is remeved when I log back in
[03:55] <ogra> weird machine ... but even if it freezes it will run the script before the acpi call is done
[03:55] <wima> ok
[03:55] <wima> well, I'm going to reboot now
[03:56] <wima> thanks already for your time!
[04:02] <wima> and we are back...
[04:03] <ogra> with working CDrom ?
[04:04] <wima> haven't tried
[04:04] <wima> was checking if all dirs where gone
[04:04] <ogra> and they were i hope
[04:04] <wima> on client, there is still a cdrom dir in /var/run/drives
[04:04] <wima> is this ok?
[04:04] <ogra> yes
[04:05] <wima> ok
[04:05] <ogra> thats created on boot
[04:05] <ogra> (as the whole /var/run dir)
[04:05] <wima> inserting disc...
[04:05] <wima> icon appears
[04:05] <ogra> if you ever need something to vanish on reboot in asn ubuntu system, use /var/run ;)
[04:06] <wima> hmm
[04:06] <wima> I see an empty folder
[04:06] <wima> on server, both mounts are there
[04:06] <wima> ltspfs and bind
[04:07] <wima> ls /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/cdrom gives nothing
[04:07] <ogra> no, it shouldnt
[04:07] <ogra> but you see the mount in the output of the mount program ?
[04:08] <wima> ah, it is not mounted on client
[04:08] <wima> mount |grep cd gives nothing
[04:09] <wima> on server,  mount |grep cdrom |grep wima gives
[04:09] <wima> ltspfs on /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/cdrom type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=wima)
[04:09] <wima> /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/cdrom on /media/wima/cdrom type none (rw,bin
[04:10] <wima> I forgot to check if these weren't there before I inserted this disk of course
[04:11] <ogra> it should get mounted as soon as you acess it
[04:12] <wima> removed cd now
[04:12] <wima> icon is gone
[04:12] <wima> mounts are also gone on server
[04:12] <wima> i'll try another cd
[04:14] <wima> ah, now nautilus gives an error
[04:14] <wima> 'could not display contents'
[04:14] <wima> it is mounted on client now
[04:14] <ogra> hmm
[04:15] <ogra> right, thats what should happen
[04:15] <ogra> but i wonder why you dont have read access
[04:15] <wima> ls /var/drives/cdrom on client works
[04:16] <ogra> are you logged in multiple times with the same user ?
[04:16] <wima> ls /media/wima/cdrom
[04:16] <wima> gives:
[04:16] <wima>  /media/wima/cdrom: Transport endpoint is not connected
[04:17] <wima> no only on this machine
[04:17] <wima> I think
[04:21] <ogra> sounds like a bug in ltspfs or so ...
[04:21] <ogra> we'll need to wait until sbalneav shows up...
[04:21] <wima> can there be anything specific to my setup that cases this problem?
[04:22] <wima> network maybe?
[04:22] <ogra> not really, you client boots from the net and works ... that would exclude network probs
[04:22] <ogra> the scriptsa work fine as well and create all the mountpoints
[04:23] <ogra> so the only thing that could be broken is ltspfs
[04:23] <ogra> which is responsible for the payload ...
[04:24] <wima> we had a lot of problems with nfs
[04:25] <wima> it was so bad that ubuntu ltsp zas unusable
[04:25] <wima> then I changed nfsp to use tcp in the init scripts
[04:25] <wima> now it is fine, and we could finally switch to ltsp ubuntu
[04:27] <wima> ok. I'll wait for sbalneav :)
[04:28] <wima> thanks very much for your help
[04:28] <wima> now I understand a bit better what is going on
[04:29] <wima> once cdrom is fixed, we're moving the whole office over to ltsp
[04:29] <wima> ( we have a few test users at the moment)
[04:29] <ogra> nice
[04:30] <wima> is pulse audio going in in the next release?
[04:30] <ogra> its already in, yes
[04:30] <wima> great!
[07:26] <sbalneav> cbx33: Hey dude!  How's stands the empire?
[07:26] <sbalneav> s/'s//
[07:36] <LaserJock> sbalneav!
[07:38] <sbalneav> hey LaserJock
[07:38] <Burgwork> sbalneav: hey!
[07:40] <sbalneav> hey hey
[07:40] <sbalneav> is cbx33 around?
[07:41] <LaserJock> not sure
[07:41] <sbalneav> Who's controlling the doco these days?  ogra said there was some weirdness in the doco, but when it moved off of hedgemage's repo, I never got access to it after that.
[07:42] <LaserJock> sbalneav: the doc team has it
[07:43] <LaserJock> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[07:44] <LaserJock> sbalneav: we just need to make sure all your work got there
[07:44] <LaserJock> nixternal: thought it was but now we aren't sure
[07:45] <LaserJock> s/://
[07:46] <sbalneav> Some of it wasn't finished yet, but I lost access to the server and COULDN't finish it.
[07:47] <LaserJock> lost access to HedgeMage's server?
[07:48] <sbalneav> Well, they moved the doco off of that, right?
[07:48] <LaserJock> well, we *were* periodically syncing from it
[07:48] <LaserJock> but we've moved totally to the doc team server
[07:49] <sbalneav> Any chance I could get access to it?
[07:49] <LaserJock> sure
[07:49] <LaserJock> but you can always send us patches too ;-)
[07:49] <sbalneav> That's fine, what's the address?
[07:49] <LaserJock> it'll take time to get write access
[07:49] <sbalneav> bzr or svn?
[07:50] <LaserJock> svn
[07:50] <sbalneav> What's the addrss?
[07:50] <LaserJock> Canonical sysadmins have to create the accounts
[07:50] <LaserJock> well, you can send it to me
[07:50] <LaserJock> or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:50] <sbalneav> No, I mean the svn address.
[07:51] <LaserJock> oh sorry
[07:51] <sbalneav> I can do a checkout, fix up what needs fixing, then send you the patches.
[07:51] <LaserJock> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[07:52] <sbalneav> k got it
[07:52] <LaserJock> the handbook is in edubuntu/handbook/
[07:53] <sbalneav> Grabbing it now.
[07:53] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[07:53] <cbx33> I'm here
[07:53] <cbx33> gonna be jumping out in just a sec though
[07:55] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:57] <LaserJock> well, I got 6hrs of sleep last night ;-)
[07:57] <sbalneav> urgh, yeah, hasn't got all the up-to-date stuff.  I'll work on it for the rest of the day.
[07:57] <LaserJock> sbalneav: thanks so much dude. I'm not sure what happened there
[07:58] <LaserJock> I've just been doing packaging, etc. for it not any content
[07:59] <cbx33> 6 hours
[07:59] <cbx33> that's tonnes
[07:59] <cbx33> try 4
[08:00] <cbx33> i did that for a whole month once
[08:00] <LaserJock> yucky
[08:00] <LaserJock> I feel like crap
[08:00] <LaserJock> it's only noon and I'm wasted
[08:00] <Burgwork> hmm, drugs
[08:01] <Burgwork> makes irc a much better place
[08:01] <LaserJock> no drugs for me :/
[08:01] <LaserJock> I shouldn't even be drinking soda, according to the dentist
[08:01] <cbx33> Burgwork, chapter?
[08:01] <LaserJock> I hate coffee
[08:01] <cbx33> awww sorry LaserJock
[08:01] <LaserJock> so I'm stuck with my daily *buntu-drip
[08:01] <Burgwork> cbx33: I played Wesnoth last night
[08:02] <cbx33> BURGWORK!!!!
[08:02] <Burgwork> I am turning into a coffee fiend
[08:02] <LaserJock> I really should
[08:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: where'd you get the trout?
[08:02] <Burgwork> I only drink coffee with chocolate
[08:02] <Burgwork> LaserJock: it came out of the Thames and has legs
[08:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:03] <Burgwork> warty was ugly: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=664&num=2
[08:03] <Burgwork> what verb is "gaught"
[08:03] <Burgwork> is that how you over the ponders are spelling got these days?
[08:04] <cbx33> hehe
[08:04] <cbx33> caught
[08:04] <cbx33> I gtg
[08:04] <cbx33> see y'all later
[08:04] <cbx33> CHAPTER Burgwork  :p
[08:05] <cbx33> please...even if it's just makos version ;)
[08:05] <Burgwork> cbx33: wesnotttthhh
[08:05] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I played it once a little while back on OS X
[08:05] <LaserJock> pretty cool
[08:05] <Burgwork> I am gotten rehooked
[08:05] <LaserJock> I'm not much of a RPG guy
[08:05] <LaserJock> I like the first person shooters more I guess
[09:23] <lulemurfan> I can't connect my network printer to edubuntu, CAN anyone Help
[09:25] <lulemurfan> Can anyone help me please
[09:28] <lulemurfan> please
[09:28] <lulemurfan> I can't connect my network printer to edubuntu, CAN anyone Help
[09:29] <lulemurfan> I can't connect my network printer to edubuntu, CAN anyone Help
[09:35] <sbalneav> lulemurfan: hello
[09:35] <sbalneav> What kind of network printer is it/
[09:35] <sbalneav> ?
[09:40] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: in response to what I saw in my away log... we took my repo offline when everything was moved to the doc repo in order to try to avoid confusion.  I can put mine back up if needed, though.
[09:40] <sbalneav> Nah, that's ok.  I've checked out the source, I'll finish it off, and send in a patch.
[09:41] <HedgeMage> ahh cool
[09:41] <sbalneav> Haven't seen you in a long time! How's it going?
[09:41] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: okay, just insanely busy
[09:42] <sbalneav> :)
[09:43] <HedgeMage> Hopefully, I'll find time to come back in a few more (9+?) months.
[10:30] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: how's the family?
[10:32] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: okay I guess... just a lot going on :)
[10:32] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: how've you been?
[10:35] <LaserJock> busy busy
[10:36] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:38] <LaserJock> just got my car back from the shop
[10:38] <LaserJock> took over 1 week
[10:41] <cliebow__>  spark plugs?
[10:46] <LaserJock> cliebow__: accident repair
[10:46] <LaserJock> 2 accidents to be precise
[12:00] <cliebow__>  should have been two weeks then\


[09:02] <pwnguin> lol https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Dream_Wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallbio8.jpg
[09:05]  * DanaG gags
[09:05] <pwnguin> reminds me of the XP desktop
[09:05] <pwnguin> i wonder if that was stock art
[09:06] <DanaG> The only grassy-hill wallpaper I've ever used is "Dark Bliss" from here.
[09:06] <DanaG> http://www.zeroingin.net/skins/
[09:06] <DanaG> When in Windows, of course.
[09:07] <pwnguin> so ive been talking with one of the guys who did some work on the default hardy wallpaper
[09:08] <pwnguin> i havent followed -artwork for long -- do we know he feels a bit snubbed?
[09:12] <thorwil> pwnguin: do you mean the original author?
[09:12] <pwnguin> well, troy
[09:12] <pwnguin> i donno about ash
[09:12] <thorwil> oh, him ^^
[09:13] <pwnguin> ash seemed happy enough to make another one for intrepid
[09:13] <thorwil> pwnguin: i was under the impression he just had enough of the list
[09:13] <pwnguin> who?
[09:13] <thorwil> and apparently also this channel
[09:13] <thorwil> troy
[09:13] <pwnguin> you know about when that happend?
[09:14] <thorwil> can't put a date on it
[09:14] <pwnguin> im kinda curious what happened and whether he's merely insufferable or justified in it
[09:15] <thorwil> pwnguin: he makes some valid points, but there's not much point in reiterating them to the same limited audience again and again
[09:15] <pwnguin> heh
[09:17] <pwnguin> he seems more willing to blame what happened on shuttleworth and canonical than say a lack of direction or dissent from the original author
[09:18] <thorwil> not sure about that
[09:19] <pwnguin> what i mean is, the original forms to the heron had a few "humans" lying about
[09:19] <thorwil> pwnguin: actually, he lists that wallpaper as the one thing gotten right on his blog
[09:19] <pwnguin> does he?
[09:19] <pwnguin> i thought he hated how it went
[09:19] <thorwil> wasn't happy with the repetition, yes
[09:20] <pwnguin> repitition?
[09:20] <pwnguin> bluh
[09:20] <thorwil> the heron in the background again
[09:20] <pwnguin> oh, well thats sasuage
[09:21] <pwnguin> anyways, i know its a bit dangerous to rely on one persons history of the events
[09:21] <thorwil> pwnguin: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/07/dear-mr-shuttleworth.html
[09:21] <thorwil> look at "I'd answer that question with a single resounding "YES". It was one decision. It was all about a bird." ...
[09:22] <thorwil> pwnguin: i think that story is a good example of some problems you get when different people edit some artwork
[09:23]  * DanaG accidentally detaches Mark Shuttleworth's head.
[09:23] <DanaG> Oops.  You forgot to group it.
[09:23] <DanaG> =þ
[09:24] <pwnguin> ive seen the open letter to shuttleworth
[09:24] <pwnguin> it's kinda abrasive
[09:24] <thorwil> good thing voodoo doesn't work (like that)
[09:24] <pwnguin> which i guess is how some artists work
[09:25] <thorwil> well, if being all subtle ore even just diplomatic doesn't work ...
[09:26] <pwnguin> you can scream all you want in space
[09:26] <pwnguin> and thats where troy seems to have run off to
[09:26] <thorwil> pwnguin: go tell him ;)
[09:26] <pwnguin> it wouldn't be diplomatic
[09:28] <pwnguin> besides, im post #2 on that entry
[09:29] <pwnguin> and if troy's reading this via logs, i'll add that the letter reads like the worlds worst job application cover letter
[09:32] <thorwil> he's not applying for a job
[09:32] <thorwil> but enough (or too much, already) talking about a 3rd party here ;)
[09:32] <pwnguin> fine fine
[11:58] <xanax`> hello
[17:17] <Deep6> guys is this the right place to ask to get a clue on how to make some of the more "advanced" looking themes present on ubuntu-art.org work?
[17:18] <Deep6> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/imetalV5?content=83660
[17:18] <Deep6> as an example
[17:32] <zerwas> bad example ;)
[17:32] <zerwas> but what do you want to do exactly?
[17:33] <zerwas> what has been done on your screenshot is simply another gtk- and icon theme and another wallpaper
[17:34] <zerwas> for the bar at the bottom, take avant-window-navigator
[17:43] <Deep6> sorry
[17:43] <Deep6> back
[17:46] <Deep6> well, is there anything to make the gtk-theme work?
[17:47] <Deep6> I can't seem to get it to work
[17:47] <Deep6> I get a ? in the theme manager
[17:47] <zerwas> then you might not have the correct theme engine installed yet
[17:47] <Deep6> how do you identify the theme engine?
[20:48] <kwwii> re
[21:40] <pwnguin> you know, it would be awesome if the theme applet could set themes on a per install basis
[21:40] <pwnguin> sorta like how the resolution settings can be set to "this computer only"
[21:41] <pwnguin> its annoying to switch between the netbook theme on hardy and the new themes on intrepid


[09:32] <Unit193> Rhonda: Looks like perl 5.36 is in NEW, so you'll want https://github.com/irssi/irssi/pull/1384 too.


[01:54] <jbicha> duflu: I think your bug is better than the one you marked it a duplicate of, LP: #882022
[01:55] <duflu> jbicha, probably yeah. But I like to give people a chance to pipe up. Some get irate at having their own bugs ignored in favor of newer duplicates
[01:56] <jbicha> since gnome-shell/artful is currently already using the Ubuntu font, and we couldn't find anywhere in a default GNOME Shell where the On/Off switch is used any more
[01:56] <duflu> Which is fair, if they're still paying attention
[01:56] <duflu> *their old bugs ignored
[01:56] <jbicha> ok, but you'll need to clean up the bug to be more specific then
[01:57] <duflu> jbicha, just reversed them
[02:04] <duflu> I'm mindful of previous experiences where you have two or more groups of people (two or more bugs) discussing the same issue for years on end, but each group unaware of the existence of the other. It's a strong case for why deduplication is critical; to communication and resolution
[02:07] <duflu> And as of yesterday a set of three bluez bugs which are effectively the same issue. Need to be delicately merged
[02:07] <duflu> Some with hundreds of comments already
[02:08] <sarnold> of course you run the risk of touching bugs with hundreds of comments that it'll just be the place for any random complaints about the package in question. "this is back!" "this was fixed in hardy, please file new bug" etc etc
[02:11] <duflu> sarnold, I know... but cats can be herded too :)
[02:12]  * sarnold imagines duflu http://imgur.com/gallery/zcPmd
[02:12] <duflu> aww
[02:13] <duflu> sarnold, I mean if you have a deep enough understanding of the issue, and surrounding issues, then you have the authority to declare what "fixed" means and that everyone else should log new bugs
[02:13] <duflu> Herding is temporary, before you assign them new cages
[02:14] <sarnold> duflu: yeah, and i fyou're lucky you show up before the bug's grown three heads
[04:37] <robert_ancell> jbicha, your bug says:
[04:37] <robert_ancell>  a user unclicks the checkbox next to
[04:37] <robert_ancell> "Snappy Support", gnome-software will be installed since it Depends on
[04:37] <robert_ancell> the Snap plugin.
[04:37] <robert_ancell> that should say "uninstalled", right?
[06:59] <jibel> good morning
[07:13] <Trevinho> morning jibel
[07:17] <duflu> Morning Trevinho, jibel
[07:17] <Trevinho> hi duflu
[07:17] <duflu> I mean afternoon
[07:38] <oSoMoN> good morning/afternoon folks!
[08:01] <didrocks> hey jibel, Trevinho, duflu, oSoMoN!
[08:02] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:02] <willcooke> morning
[08:02]  * didrocks didn't check IRC, deep into aws doc
[08:02] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <andyrock> good mooooorning
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, andyrock
[08:03] <duflu> salut didrocks
[08:03] <duflu> and andyrock
[08:03] <duflu> and all the rocks
[08:04] <duflu> And Laney
[08:04] <duflu> and willcooke, oSoMoN
[08:05] <oSoMoN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kftCx5-tA
[08:06] <willcooke> lol
[08:08] <Laney> deep
[08:16] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:17] <oSoMoN> salut seb128!
[08:20] <Laney> hi seb128!
[08:20] <Laney> you good?
[08:22] <Trevinho> hi willcooke and Laney
[08:22] <Trevinho> and oSoMoN
[08:23] <Trevinho> and andyrock (but we already sent hearts each other in telegram :-D)
[08:23] <Trevinho> Anyway desktoppers... Happy to see Canonical / Ubuntu logos again in this wiki https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/FracionalScaling2017 :-)
[08:24] <willcooke> Nice one Trevinho
[08:24] <oSoMoN> cool
[08:24] <Laney> cute
[08:25] <Trevinho> I should have scaled the 101 more tho :-D
[08:25] <Laney> anyone else going to go?
[08:25] <Laney> guess you're staying out there until then
[08:26] <Trevinho> Laney: yep... 🤓
[08:26] <Trevinho> Laney: as for other people... Well, everybody is welcome. We'll send the ritual mails, but I guess not many others will be there
[08:31] <duflu> "* Drawing the Shell UI at a higher resolution than what the logical pixels correspond to." ... mir_proving_server ;)
[08:32] <duflu> Bonus points for full-screen subpixel rendering
[08:33] <duflu> Although the extra resources required would probably not be a sensible tradeoff
[08:35] <seb128> hey Laney Trevinho oSoMoN willcooke duflu
[08:35] <duflu> hey seb128
[08:56] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:00] <oSoMoN> good morning flexiondotorg
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> o/
[09:20] <Trevinho> duflu: eh. I would have preferred to avoid to downscale resources, but it's the only way we can given the toolkit status nowadays..
[09:21] <Trevinho> duflu: however, if you want to join... You're close enough to :-D
[09:22] <duflu> Trevinho, downscaling doesn't hurt if you're doing it on the GPU (like mir_proving_server)
[09:23] <duflu> And that way the process only have one copy of the texture, rendered at any resolution on any monitor, at any zoom level
[09:25] <duflu> But you have to then start making the Apple assumption[tm]: That is the physical monitor is not so low DPI that the user is bothered by scaling artefacts. Or do as I did in mir_proving_server: Design all textures to be smooth at any down-scale
[09:28] <Trevinho> duflu: yes, sure... in terms of perfomance isn't too much a problem for drawing... But still generating higher textures for any app, even if thta might not ever be drawn in a high dpi monitor is a little a waste..
[09:28] <Trevinho> And that's not done in GPU
[09:28] <duflu> Trevinho, I'm referring to reused textures (e.g. widgets), not the app window :)
[09:29] <duflu> You load them into GPU memory at the start and then never need to touch them
[09:29] <duflu> Very fast
[09:29] <Trevinho> yeah, that's true.. but you know apps redraw.
[09:29] <duflu> Indeed. And they don't need to touch system memory then
[09:30] <duflu> Partly
[09:30] <duflu> This is all best case scenario. I don't really have a clue if it would work for Gnome code
[09:30] <duflu> Well, anything is possible, but "work easily"
[09:39] <duflu> Wait a minute... Trevinho, so does this mean upstream GTK doesn't have a plan for fractional scaling themselves?
[09:39] <Trevinho> duflu: nope...
[09:40] <Trevinho> duflu: I think we'll discuss about this too. But considering how much has been done so far, this is not feasible.
[09:42]  * duflu checks what year it is
[09:52] <Trevinho> duflu: I know.... The mistake has been done in the past. I made my voice at the time, not too loud, but I did. But now, I think we can't go that way anymore as most of of the gnome world is covered by 'gint scale'
[09:53] <duflu> It's more surprising if you consider how forward-thinking Gnome has been with smooth scrolling and designing for touch
[09:54] <duflu> Yes, you can have touch, so long as your display is 1366x768
[10:01]  * duflu sets fire to the kitchen
[10:07] <Trevinho> duflu: now our voices can be there though... It's just about getting into the conversation.
[10:07] <Trevinho> oh, never mind :-D
[11:44] <jbicha> Laney: are you fine with the first option at LP: #1691620 ?
[11:45] <Laney> Why is it split out?
[11:46] <Laney> Don't have a strong opinion
[11:47] <jbicha> I think having -snap split out is better for Debian, although the -snap plugin does not require snap to be installed
[11:48] <jbicha> Ubuntu needed the Flatpak and Limba plugins split out, so it kinda made sense to me to split -snap out too
[11:50] <jbicha> Laney: are you ok with https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/revision/523 and dropping the now duplicate autopkgtest there?
[11:51] <Laney> Probably a Suggests would have been okay instead of splitting it, but like I say I don't really mind, you can make it disableable if you want
[11:52] <Laney> I'd rather see tests fixed than disabled, but it's better than not running them
[11:55] <jbicha> gtk4's meson port hasn't figured out how to get the schemas compiled for the tests yet https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/testsuite/reftests/meson.build#n39
[12:21] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I'm about to look into splitting gnome-user-docs into lang specific binaries. I can take the opportunity to rename the binary to gnome-user-docs as you suggested, but if I do, will you make that change in Debian? I suppose it's a good idea to have the same name, even if we tend to bypass the Debian package.
[12:23] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yes, probably, if Debian's pkg-gnome team doesn't mind :|
[12:23] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok.
[13:01] <mitya57> Trevinho, you said the appmenu button doesn’t look bad to you, but the screenshot in your last mail shows that it is not true :)
[13:02] <mitya57> (not demanding anything, in fact maybe I’ll fix it myself when I have time)
[13:02] <Trevinho> mitya57: you got me :-D, but..... Still I just think is a stuble thing, isn't it?
[13:03] <mitya57> the circle behind the icon is very ugly
[13:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: but really, at first look I didn't see it...
[13:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: but it should be trivial to fix, just I had no time yet
[13:04] <mitya57> we can either remove the circle completely, or make it a rectangle instead (Adwaita-like)
[13:06] <cyphermox> jbicha: I'm not sure why iio-sensor-proxy was in main in zesty (wasn't prior to that, there was a MIR for geoclue but it doesn't look like iio-sensor-proxy was ever really reviewed / MIRed); and it's been pushed back to universe in artful.
[13:07] <cyphermox> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iio-sensor-proxy/+bug/1621216
[13:08] <Laney> cyphermox: infini_ty promoted it at the release sprint
[13:08] <Laney> we decided it was OK™
[13:08] <cyphermox> ok, there wasn't clear paperwork about that
[13:08] <Laney> it was showing up on $reports and we were getting those down to 0
[13:08] <Laney> nope
[13:08] <cyphermox> fair enough
[13:08] <Laney> sorry
[13:09] <cyphermox> it's out of main now though
[13:10] <Laney> well something caused it to show up in c-m and it got demoted
[13:13] <jbicha> g-s-d also recommends iio-sensor-proxy
[13:15] <cyphermox> yup
[13:15] <cyphermox> once g-s-d is in main, it will pull iio-sensor-proxy too
[13:16] <jbicha> is that fine? you don't need extra MIR paperwork now because the demotion was just because of the Unity8 reshuffling?
[13:18] <Laney> I hope it's fine
[13:19] <cyphermox> it's fine, I just wanted to understand why things were the way they were, and that I had not hallucinated iio-sensor-proxy in universe
[13:19] <Laney> nod
[14:16]  * oSoMoN red tape, bbiab
[15:15]  * oSoMoN is back
[16:18]  * Trevinho Laney: other :not's based reviews for you... Really I don't do it on purpose, but... There's no other way at my eyes :-)
[16:19] <Laney> I wonder how I got so far with barely using it
[16:23] <Trevinho> Laney: I had an evil gag in my mind... But I'll keep it for me :-D
[16:23] <seb128> Trevinho, the man who never sleeps
[16:24] <Trevinho> It's just midnight... Still early :)
[16:24] <seb128> :-)
[16:28] <Laney> Trevinho: what's that workaround?
[16:28] <Laney> is it because your stuff didn't get sponsored yet?
[16:28] <Trevinho> Laney: it says: if a headerbar is not a child of a .titlebar, then you can use it as a primary-toolbar
[16:29] <Trevinho> Laney: partially, but mostly related to the fact that it will work also if we want to SRU the theme.
[16:29] <Trevinho> Laney: plus we can remove it once we've fixed the apps, or any of them needs it.
[16:29] <Trevinho> I've found no problem with it so far
[16:30] <Trevinho> (before it was applyying that rule to all the headerbars, now i've reduced the spectrum... If you'd test using the rule that there was before my previous branches, it was always using an headerbar drawn as a toolbar)
[16:33] <Laney> can you say: headerbar:not(.titlebar headerbar)?
[16:33] <Laney> maybe with a >
[16:36] <Trevinho> Mhmh... let me see
[16:37] <Trevinho> Laney: no that's a syntax error
[16:38] <willcooke> taking off a bit earlier tonight.  Going out for dinner for Mrs willcooke's birthday.
[16:38] <Laney> happy birthday wilhelmina cooke
[16:38] <oSoMoN> happy birthday Mrs willcooke
[16:39] <Laney> Trevinho: guess it has to be a simple selector
[16:39] <Laney> ok, fine, just go for it :P
[16:39] <willcooke> night all
[16:39] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh, happy BD
[16:39] <Trevinho> well, wife's bd... But he missed anyway :-D
[16:40] <Laney> some scary looking clouds out there
[16:41]  * Laney is going to plant stuff in a minute...
[16:42] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[16:42] <Trevinho> Laney: you're becoming a farmer! :-D
[16:43] <Trevinho> Laney: I've lots of fields if you need them... Well, my parents have, but... Nobody cares. :-D
[16:43] <Laney> \o/
[16:43] <Trevinho> Just in difficult areas tho
[16:43] <Laney> I'll have one
[16:43] <Laney> or two, if I can use one for a house
[16:44] <Trevinho> Mhmhm... House... that's more complicated... As not all the fields are buildable there. But, well... YOu know, you'll find a solution :-D
[16:45] <Trevinho> You can have a stall maybe :)
[16:48] <Laney> ok, somewhere to park a van ...
[16:48] <Laney> then I can take it to go climbing too
[16:52] <Trevinho> And picking mushrooms while doing that.
[16:52] <Laney> :-o
[16:53] <Trevinho> Anyway..... I guess i'll go to bed now
[16:53] <Laney> get a silo up with those theme things
[16:53] <Laney> you can fix them tomorrow
[16:53] <Trevinho> Laney: it's already building ;-)
[16:53] <Laney> nice
[16:53] <Trevinho> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2771
[16:54] <Trevinho> I'll land it tomorrow if you don't but some no'es around before ;-)
[16:55]  * Trevinho should go back to adwaita, or everytime he sees a thing he doesn't like, has to trigger the inspector.... And forget about his main task :|
[16:57] <Trevinho> Like now.... Nasty bug!
[16:57] <Trevinho> What is that missing right pixel in the terminal!? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RzFnNdWu/
[17:00] <Trevinho> ok, adwaita has the same... it seems a terminal bug related to the scrollbar tho... Not going further for now... I'll leave some fun for you too
[17:00] <Trevinho> Good night
[17:00] <Laney> me too
[17:00]  * Laney rushes out
[17:00] <Laney> laters
[17:25] <muktupavels> Trevinho: is it mutter + hidpi?
[18:28] <oSoMoN> good night
[19:27] <kenvandine> seb128, could you create a gnome-3-24 PPA under ~ubuntu-desktop?
[19:28] <kenvandine> i don't have perms to do that
[19:28] <kenvandine> seb128, figured we should match the ppa name to the platform name
[19:29] <kenvandine> seb128, btw, i wanted to name the snap gnome-3-24
[19:29] <kenvandine> feedback appreciated
[20:25] <jbicha> kenvandine: why don't you use the gnome3-team/gnome3-staging PPA?
[20:27] <jbicha> oh, I was thinking GNOME 3.25. What would be in your PPA?
[22:43] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, I'm going to push g-software 3.24 to artful unless you object
[22:43] <jbicha> 3.24.3
[22:43] <jbicha> you said that you had a problem with it crashing but it seems to be working here so maybe the problem was fixed?
[22:44] <robert_ancell> jbicha, no objection if it works for you


[02:02] <brocktice> I figured out my ipv6 problem, it seems the bridge multicast snooping behavior changed recently?
[02:02] <brocktice> when it changed I haven't figured out yet
[05:54] <apw> brocktice, changed in what way (if you know), i wonder if it got fixed, i think it has been suspect for some time
[12:09] <xkern> hi again.
[12:10] <xkern> i asked some things related to debugging.  and i'll ask again.
[12:11] <xkern> if someone debugged ubuntu 16.0.4 lts  before ,  it can help me.
[12:12] <xkern> i'll wait here if you know something , you can write to board and i notice.
[12:13] <apw> a lot of people have debugged a lot of things, but you haven't really given them anything to work with to know if they know
[12:13] <apw> if you have a specific question i would ask that
[12:15] <xkern> okay one minute i'll write my question in details.
[12:18] <xkern> my host machine is x86-64 kali linux  and my guest machine is ubuntu 16.0.4 lts.
[12:18] <xkern> i use virtual box as emulator.
[12:18] <xkern> i use kgdb for debugging.
[12:18] <xkern> if i put breakpoint anywhere , virtual machine doesnt stop.
[12:18] <xkern> i guess i wrote question in details . i hope i didnt write something wrong.
[12:19] <apw> those are good details, lets someone reading think about if this is somethign they know about
[12:41] <leitao> sforshee, good morning. We would like to have this patch on 4.4 kernel. Is this something you would grab automatically with the 4.4 rebase, or, should we ask explicit? https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/779346/
[12:42] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, what is your plan for the .12 kernel in artful?
[12:42] <LocutusOfBorg> weeks, days?
[12:42] <LocutusOfBorg> just to know for virtualbox
[12:43] <apw> smb, ^
[12:43] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, we're stuggling to get 4.11 to pass things, so i would say not days
[12:43]  * smb claims to know nutting about artful states
[12:43] <apw> smb, the 4.4 thing
[12:44] <LocutusOfBorg> wonderful
[12:44] <LocutusOfBorg> in the meanwhile somebody will release the new vbox then
[12:44] <LocutusOfBorg> and I'll ask you to sync patches
[12:45] <smb> leitao, Either to ask for it or if that goes upstream stable it comes over time
[12:46] <leitao> smb, right, I will raise a bug then. Thanks!
[12:46] <apw> smb, if i am reading this right, greg applied it today stables
[12:46] <smb> apw, oh maybe... I have not looked there today
[12:47]  * smb pulls upstream stable
[12:47] <sforshee> leitao: we apply all of Greg's stable updates, so yes we will get it automatically
[12:49] <leitao> sforshee, right, so, just waiting is enough now?
[12:49] <leitao> since the patch is already on greg's tree.
[12:49] <sforshee> leitao: waiting is enough unless the stable hasn't been released and you need it right away
[12:49] <smb> leitao, So yes, it looks to be in the queue right now
[12:51] <smb> So maybe releases next week and then could make it into the next sru cycle after the current one. so roughly applied in 3 weeks and release in 6. If life does not present us with more emergencies
[12:53] <leitao> sforshee, smb: right. Let's follow the usual process then, and we wait the rebase to grab the patch. thank you!
[12:55] <leitao> smb, sforshee: What about 4.8 kernel? This patch is needed for 4.8 kernel also.
[12:56] <smb> leitao, for 4.8 we would need a request/bug report as ther eis no upstream stable any more
[12:56] <leitao> smb, ok, I will raise it then. Thanks!
[13:14] <xkern> btw , i'm new graduated  and how can i find job related to kernel hacker/developper  ? because my country is so poor for that.
[15:10] <chiluk> xkern, how are you connecting kgdb to your virtual machine?
[15:11] <chiluk> last time I used kgdb I used two separate machines, and connected them via serial and network.
[15:11] <chiluk> xkern how are you setting your breakpoints?
[15:15] <chiluk> xkern something you might try is to try solving some bugs on https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux  this is not an easy profession to break into.
[15:25] <chiluk> good luck xkern... Unfortunately I haven't used kgdb in quite some time..
[15:35] <xkern> installed ubuntu kernel version is 4.8.0-36 generic on my pc.
[15:35] <xkern> i want to download same version from kernel.org but i didnt find.
[15:43] <apw> xkern, that is an ubuntu specific version number it will not be at kernel.org
[15:44] <xkern> how can i find it ?
[15:45] <apw> that by the way is a very out of date version of 4.8 kernel
[15:46] <xkern> if i  download  4.8 from kernel.org, then is it problem for debugging ? i guess my debugging problem is based version.
[15:46] <xkern> because of that i want to download correct version for debugging.
[15:47] <apw> xkern, yes the kernel.org 4.8 is rather different from what is in our kernel
[15:48] <xkern> hmm
[15:48] <apw> if you want the debug information you likely want the ddeb's from ddeb.ubuntu.com
[15:48] <apw> the primary source for any release is in our public git repositories
[15:48] <apw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/SourceCode as all the details
[15:57] <xkern> thanks apw


[06:42] <ducasse> morning all
[06:44] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:51] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj!
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse :-)
[10:58]  * BluesKaj heads to the kitchen for another coffee
[11:04] <ducasse> hehe, my cat has capytured a moth of some kind and is having a lot of fun, the sadistic little creature :)
[11:04] <ducasse> *captured
[11:07] <BluesKaj> yoo many cats in our  area, find dead birds now and then ...they kill for tha sake of killing
[11:07] <BluesKaj> too
[11:09] <ducasse> mine is the only one nearby, i think. she's actually not a big hunter, i suspect this moth just wandered in and came too close :)
[11:14] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[11:15] <BluesKaj> hey, what's up, lordievader
[11:15] <lordievader> o/
[11:16] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[11:18] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gotta check the xenial install
[12:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw :-)
[12:05] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[12:07] <BluesKaj> ok, enough rain already ....rained all night, it can stop anytime now :P
[12:09] <ducasse> BluesKaj: we're getting rain, thunder and the whole shebang tomorrow.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> pauljw, and it's probly on it's way here
[12:12] <BluesKaj> oops ... ducasse , blind mind fart there ;-)
[12:13] <ducasse> BluesKaj: np :) i'm not sure which way it's headed, you might get lucky and avoid it :)
[12:14] <BluesKaj> I'd better get some breakfast,  I'm misreading again
[12:15] <ducasse> enjoy :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse
[12:28] <pauljw> sorry, BluesKaj, stepped away...
[12:52] <BluesKaj> pauljw, np, i was away at breakfast
[12:52] <pauljw> :)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yay, clearing up here, not gonna rain on our Sat jam
[13:01] <pauljw> wb
[13:05] <BluesKaj> thanks, switched to Xenial...have to reference muon on too amny Xenial questions and Yakkety muon doesn't apply
[13:05] <BluesKaj> many
[13:06] <pauljw> :)
[13:08] <ducasse> BluesKaj: did you reinstall or upgrade?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> dual booting
[13:09] <ducasse> ah.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> the 'buntu software center is hopeless as a package source and reference IMO
[13:21] <pauljw> yeah, i don't use it, i prefer synaptic.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> yeah I use muon ...similar to synaptic altho not quite as "mature"
[13:24] <pauljw> i see, i was wondering what muon was...
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yeah it's an old school package manager , not a fancy looking gui "software center"
[13:26] <pauljw> :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> well, time to get moving , I have a busy day ahead ....later gents , take care :-)
[13:30] <pauljw> later, have a good one...
[13:48] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ , how are ya doing?
[13:48] <EriC^^> hey pauljw, good thanks you?
[13:48] <pauljw> good
[13:49] <EriC^^> :)
[14:26] <pauljw> bbl...
[22:40] <seto> ooooh gots a logging bot here i see :p
[22:51] <daftykins> as have all the ubuntu channels
[22:55] <seto> nice
[22:55] <seto> im making my self a nice custom live cd of 16.04
[22:55] <seto> so i can install and go with out needing to strip out all the stuff i never use lol
[22:56] <OerHeks> impressive :-)
[22:56] <seto> got very limited hd space on my comp
[22:56] <seto> chrome book lol
[22:57] <seto> hoping this works as i hope it will basically just going to install chrome drivers kde plasma and little else
[22:59] <seto> and its not gona work
[22:59] <seto> because i ran the hell out of space :\
[23:04] <seto> hmm
[23:04] <seto> need uck to use dif drive as tmp space
[23:04] <seto> but didnt see a way to do that
[23:05] <seto> guess need to read up some
[23:57] <seto> well hell didnt know was a minimal cd of ubuntu that just lets you select what you want to install lol
[23:57] <seto> that will work about as good as a custo live iso i suppose
[23:58] <Bashing-om> seto: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/xenial/ . Have fun .
[23:58] <seto> net boot hmm
[23:59] <Bashing-om> seto: Or : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD .
[23:59] <seto> yeh dled the mini just now
[23:59] <seto> prob my best option
[23:59] <seto> i got a chrome book and it only has 16 gb of hd space


[02:27] <j4jackj> i retract any and all hateful statements
[02:29] <j4jackj> but remember if you are uncivil they will return
[02:59] <IdleOne> lol apology with threat.
[15:22] <frogshair> Cloak request attempt  II
[15:37] <AlanBell> . . . and if you were still here it would totally work
[15:37] <Fuchs> he is still here
[15:37] <Fuchs> just not in the channel
[15:38] <Fuchs> but that is enough for staff to cloak him if you give the order
[15:40] <AlanBell> I asked frogshair to pop into the channel, would rather they were here to avoid further confusion
[15:41] <Fuchs> and there he is
[15:41] <AlanBell> hello frogshair
[15:42] <frogshair> hello , the first registration failed  and the second seems to have worked.
[15:42] <AlanBell> excellent, you certainly seem to be logged in now
[15:42] <Fuchs> yes, you are registered and identified
[15:42] <AlanBell> Fuchs: can we have an ubuntu/member/frogshair cloak please
[15:43] <Fuchs> AlanBell: I assume you can, but you have to ask staff
[15:43] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/frogshair cloak please
[15:43] <Fuchs> AlanBell: either wait until one shows up here, or poke them in #freenode. Currently seems to be a bit empty, so you might have to wait :(
[15:43] <frogshair> What's next
[15:43] <Fuchs> frogshair: staff will set the cloak as soon as they are around, you don't need to do anything else. Congratulations :)
[15:44] <Fuchs> frogshair: you might want to configure your client to auto-identify if it doesn't yet, as the cloak will only show when you are identified (you currently are). But else there is nothing you have to do :)
[15:47] <frogshair> Thanks , The first conformation email  had an _ underscore  prior to the password and the server was having none of it . The second excluded this and worked fine .
[15:47] <Myrtti> sure, let me have a look
[15:47] <Fuchs> Alright. Well, apparrently frogshair_ is registered as well now, but that doesn't hurt
[15:47]  * Fuchs cuddles Myrtti
[15:48] <Myrtti> there you go, cloak set
[15:49] <frogshair> Thank You !


[03:25] <cjwatson> sigh, I broke ntfs in d-i
[03:47] <xivulon> cjwatson, I sent you a couple of emails, keyboard detection should be better now
[03:47] <cjwatson> ok, your mail to me is pretty reliable, so you don't need to tell me on IRC when you've sent me mail, thanks :)
[03:48] <xivulon> something not on the email, if you want to build wubi yourself, you have to edit scripts/build.sh and add prerequisit to the case statement at the bottom
[03:49] <xivulon> then run "make prerequisites" and "make"
[03:49] <xivulon> first command will setup wine + nsis
[03:50] <xivulon> "make test" to run the dialog in debug mode
[03:54] <xivulon> The reason I split keyboard versions in a separate ini file is that windows uses an 8-digit hex, and did not want to remap the entries in keymaps.ini
[03:56] <xivulon> I mean keyboard variants
[03:57] <cjwatson> I wonder if wubi could be built on our buildds with that
[03:57] <cjwatson> I sort of assumed it needed a Windows installation
[03:57] <xivulon> wine + nsis is fine
[03:57] <cjwatson> hmm, I don't think our buildds are allowed to wget random stuff from the web though
[03:57] <cjwatson> so that wouldn't work
[03:57] <xivulon> we have one plugin in c# at the moment though
[03:58] <xivulon> cjwatson, wget is only a convenience script, you can install nsis from within wine manually
[03:58] <xivulon> provided the building server has wine with nsis installed (and mono if you want to recompile wubibcd) it should be fine
[04:00] <xivulon> The makefile is sub-par at the moment, the only thing in common with a proper makefile is the name
[04:01] <xivulon> The nsis plugins we use are not recompiled at the moment
[04:08] <cjwatson> yeah, that's what I mean, I don't see our buildd administrators preinstalling wine and nsis in the lifetime of this universe :)
[04:35] <xivulon> I don't really blame them, anyway now at least you can rebuild the frontend if you need to
[04:38] <cjwatson> good stuff
[04:55] <xivulon> cjwatson, the nsis version is a bit dated, I will update it later on (there are some strange warnings when using the new version I have to sort out) and upload a new nsis tar
[05:01] <evand> yikes, unionfs or python seems to have major breakage in the most recent daily live cds.
[05:06] <evand> http://evalicious.com/syslog
[05:07] <superm1> okay so that wasn't just me
[05:08] <superm1> we changed a lot in our builds a day or two ago, and then i booted one and it was going all to hell
[05:08] <evand> heh
[05:08] <superm1> i'd point likely towards unionfs
[05:08] <superm1> because there a re unionfs errors all over dmesg
[05:18] <superm1> well the only unionfs related bugs i'm finding that were filed thus far: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/138866
[05:24] <evand> it only seems to happen when calling python, but I imagine that's just luck of the draw as python wouldn't be able to dereference a NULL pointer in the kernel.
[05:24] <superm1> well it was happening to me actually with apt too
[05:24] <evand> ah
[05:24] <superm1> with some other weird things like mmap unable to msync
[05:25] <superm1> and then not being able to find files that were on the filesystem
[05:39] <cjwatson> evand,superm1: yeah, several of us are seeing that - pkl's looking at it
[05:39] <evand> ah, thanks
[05:39] <superm1> as evand just mentioned in #ubuntu-kernel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/138915
[05:39] <superm1> has both of our dmesg/syslog attached
[05:52] <cjwatson> I got my new laptop today, with a Windows installation on it which I plan to use to test wubi/lupin
[05:53] <cjwatson> (though I've already installed Ubuntu separately of course ;-))
[05:56] <evand> http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ ?
[05:57] <cjwatson> just running natively
[05:57] <cjwatson> the Vista Home Basic licence forbids running it in a VM
[05:58] <cjwatson> which is a bit control-freaky but there you go :-/
[06:00] <evand> ah, I forgot about that
[06:00] <xivulon> cjwatson... ...on vista? :P
[06:01] <cjwatson> will wubi not work on vista?
[06:01] <xivulon> Well I should shoutup since my laptop came with premium, I contributed to ms coffin more than colin
[06:01] <xivulon> cjwatson it should
[06:01] <cjwatson> xivulon: could we have a stable link for the latest version of wubi? like Wubi-7.10-minefield.exe -> Wubi-7.10-minefield-0.4.exe
[06:02] <cjwatson> coffer, not coffin :-)
[06:02] <cjwatson> (contributing to MS' coffin is a *good* thing ...)
[06:02] <xivulon> well talkin of coffer wubi helped took away 200K users and counting... So I guess it's a good investment...
[06:02] <cjwatson> yeah, I would have got one of Dell's Ubuntu laptops but they weren't shipping Core 2 Duos with Ubuntu in the UK
[06:03] <thom> what did you end up with? HP?
[06:03] <xivulon> same here, I ended up with a samsung, (also because on last 2 dell laptops power jacks desoldered)
[06:04] <cjwatson> thom: dell latitude d830
[06:04] <cjwatson> we'll see how it goes
[06:04] <thom> oh right; is that the T60 sized one, or smaller?
[06:04] <cjwatson> gar, what is wrong with cdimage? it's supposed to be downloading wubi but isn't
[06:05] <xivulon> if you do not have kids stumbling on the power cable they are fine machines
[06:05] <evand> laptop refreshment plan, only 2 years and 9 months away :)
[06:05] <cjwatson> thom: dunno how big a t60 is. it's 15", fairly chunky but I like big laptops
[06:06] <thom> yeah, similar to powerbook sized
[06:06] <xivulon> cjwatson, I cannot do the link from the office (no ssh), will do tonight
[06:07] <cjwatson> ah, the download breakage is my fault
[06:07] <cjwatson> xivulon: thanks, I'll just bump it to 0.4 for now
[06:14] <cjwatson> thom: yeah, about two inches higher than the 15" PowerBook and maybe half an inch deeper
[06:15] <cjwatson> (but the height is mostly because the monitor is hinged differently)
[06:15] <thom> nods
[06:33] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2220 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity: Fix test.
[06:45] <cjwatson> xivulon: I wonder if it's worth having the "-tribe5" subversion thing, which we'll just have to update all the time? We don't do that for our native installers
[06:47] <cjwatson> xivulon: grub4dos installation doesn't seem to have worked here. Anything I can do to investigate?
[06:47] <cjwatson> I just get thrown into my normal grub menu
[06:48] <cjwatson> ah, I need to boot into Windows
[06:48] <cjwatson> ok, that's convoluted
[06:48] <cjwatson> bugger, fell over in initramfs
[06:51] <xivulon> cjwatson, if you have grub, you have to select Windows
[06:51] <xivulon> wubi adds an option to the windows bootloader, not to grub
[06:53] <cjwatson> yeah, I worked it out while you were pinged out
[06:53] <cjwatson> it's fallen over in the initramfs now and I'm debugging
[06:54] <cjwatson> whoa, we're using klibc /bin/mount? when did that happen?
[06:55] <xivulon> if you can boot, and preseed and boot options are correct, the frontend job is done.
[07:02] <xivulon> re version name, what do you suggest?
[07:04] <cjwatson> perhaps just "Ubuntu 7.10 alpha"
[07:05] <cjwatson> ok, lupin is failing because fuse uses the -i option to mount which klibc mount doesn't support
[07:05] <cjwatson> easy fix
[07:08] <xivulon> Sounds good, do you want to have something like the launchpad revision in there?
[07:18] <cjwatson> nope
[07:19] <cjwatson> well I mean I suppose you could but it would just have to be removed for release :)
[07:19] <cjwatson> I dunno, up to you, I just feel it's better without too much information that has to be updated
[07:30] <xivulon> np
[07:31] <xivulon> How is the installation going? In the last few days I only looked at the frontend.
[07:35] <cjwatson> 17:53 <cjwatson> it's fallen over in the initramfs now and I'm debugging
[07:35] <cjwatson> about that well
[07:35] <cjwatson> I think I've beaten on klibc sufficiently to fix that
[07:42] <cjwatson> ok, at least it's booting now
[07:42] <cjwatson> unionfs is known to be a bit screwed at the moment though so I don't know how far we'll get
[07:46] <cjwatson> up to X
[07:47] <cjwatson> hmm, suspend and hibernate options still present
[07:50] <cjwatson> automatic-ubiquity didn't work, init script isn't symlinked properly
[07:51] <evand> hrm, using fuse, ntfs directories show up as DT_UNKNOWN.
[07:53] <cjwatson> xivulon: the name /tmpmountpoint isn't important, is it? if I rename that to /host then the suspend/hibernate inhibition should work right
[07:53] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2221 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): * Call update-rc.d so that automatic-ubiquity stands a chance of working.
[07:54] <xivulon> it's just a throwaway folder, make sure it's something not colliding with other scripts
[07:54] <cjwatson> OK, /host should be fine then
[07:55] <xivulon> not that it is called more than once, and for each call and for each partition /tmpmount is mounted/unmounted
[07:55] <xivulon> note
[07:56] <cjwatson> that's ok
[07:56] <cjwatson> as long as it's left mounted at the end
[07:57] <xivulon> It's left mounted unless the last call does not find what it was looking for
[07:57] <cjwatson> right
[07:58] <cjwatson> oh, hang on, am I crazy?
[07:59] <cjwatson> there's no reason why that fuse mount in particular should inhibit suspend/hibernate, since it isn't helping to implement the root filesystem
[07:59] <cjwatson> I'll revert that, sorry
[08:02] <xivulon> that is only used to find files, and the mount is always r/o
[08:02] <cjwatson> user_folder=#UserFolder=/Users/cjwatson^M
[08:02] <cjwatson> hmm
[08:03] <cjwatson> so preseeding itself is fine with CR/LF files but lupin's direct fiddling with the preseed file isn't ... looks like I spoke slightly too soon :(
[08:04] <xivulon> ah yes, I forgot about that
[08:04] <cjwatson> xivulon: doesn't /tmpmountpoint need to be unmounted after we're finished with it, regardless?
[08:04] <cjwatson> because otherwise it's not possible to mount the same filesystem from the live session
[08:06] <xivulon> hmm, often you want to do something with the file, so either you umount within find_path() and then remount in the code calling find_path or you have to remember to umount after calling findpath
[08:06] <cjwatson> yeah, it's clearly a little fiddly
[08:06] <cjwatson> I'll sort something out
[08:08] <xivulon> for instance, when you use it within find_iso, then the filesystem hosting the ISO must not be unmounted
[08:08] <cjwatson> right
[08:09] <xivulon> At the moment when find_path scans a folder which is already mounted it does not try to remount it, that is to make it work with find_iso.
[08:09] <cjwatson> I think a find_path_cleanup function called at the end of each client script would be sufficient
[08:12] <xivulon> yes, just make sure that find_iso is not affected, that is mounted on top of /isodevice (which overrdies the default /tmpmount folder)
[08:14] <cjwatson> yep
[08:18] <xivulon> one more thing, wait_for_devs, should be called the first time find_path is used, at the moment wait_for_devs is within find_iso, but that is not appropriate since you might use find_preseed without find_iso
[08:22] <xivulon> something like [ -e /var/run/devs_ready ]  || wait_for_devs (within find_path) and then "touch /var/run/devs_ready" (within wait_for_devs)
[08:23] <cjwatson> better, just wait_for_devs in both places and do the test inside wait_for_devfs
[08:23] <cjwatson> devs
[08:23] <cjwatson> ok, I'll do that once bzr deigns to respond
[08:23] <cjwatson> s/bzr/my local wireless network/ I think actually
[08:25] <xivulon> then call wait_for_devs from find_path and add the test within wait_for_devs
[08:25] <cjwatson> indeed, done :)
[08:25] <cjwatson> parallel development ;)
[08:27] <cjwatson> ?
[08:31] <xivulon> have a sun-fan friend who often says "we start to think alike" and I usually reply "not sure I like that"... nevermind
[08:32] <xivulon> like a pavlov response
[08:51] <cjwatson> OK, lupin 0.5 fixes all the problems I can find here
[08:51] <xivulon> cl
[08:52] <xivulon> cjwatson, not sure find_path_cleanup is ok in find_iso
[08:52] <cjwatson> why not?
[08:53] <xivulon> livemedia expects a filesystem path, and that path will be something like /isodevice/ubuntu/install/xyz.iso
[08:53] <xivulon> but if /isodevice is unmounted livemedia will not find any iso
[08:53] <cjwatson> oh
[08:53] <cjwatson> ok, good point
[08:56] <cjwatson> fixed
[08:57] <cjwatson> (lupin 0.6)
[08:58] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2222 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.5.14
[09:08] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2223 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[09:08] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[09:08] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  1.24ubuntu4.
[09:11] <xivulon> for the thinkpad fans out there: http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98
[09:13] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2224 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[09:16] <cjwatson> somebody please remind me to do a full ubiquity translation update from Rosetta before beta
[09:20] <evand> will do
[09:21] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2225 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.5.14
[09:21] <cjwatson> evand: not to mention to show you how to do it, but that can probably wait :)
[09:22] <cjwatson> (it's a nightmare of twisty little scripts in my ~/bin/)
[09:22] <evand> haha, I'm beginning to see a pattern here
[09:22] <evand> twisty little scripts everywhere
[09:24] <cjwatson> I *try* not to ...
[09:26] <cjwatson> yay, new laptop unpacks packages like greased lightning
[09:27] <cjwatson> I like having I/O worth a damn
[09:28] <evand> haha
[09:29] <evand> I wish I could just fold my desktop.  I'm tempted to just get one of those iMac carrying cases for the next sprint.
[12:05] <xivulon> cjwatson, did you manage to install at the end?
[12:06] <cjwatson> xivulon: no, I fixed everything I could but lupin was a bit too buggered really. I plan to give it another go with tomorrow's image
[12:06] <cjwatson> going to bed now
[12:08] <xivulon> I am updating some wubi frontend code, should be there by tomorrow
[12:08] <xivulon> late on tonight
[12:08] <cjwatson> ok, drop me a line if you have a new wubi url for me
[12:11] <xivulon> sure


[00:19] <mphill> Anyone having GTK trouble with the update today. I can't launch nautilus and java apps have the mouse offset about 150px.  I get this error in the console when trying to run nautilus: nautilus: symbol lookup error: nautilus: undefined symbol: gtk_menu_button_set_menu
[01:18] <silverarrow> hi
[01:18] <silverarrow> should notification addon for thunderbird and firefox work in Ubuntu?
[01:33] <bjsnider> silverarrow, i just caught all of those messages you left on the gecko-mediaplayer group in august. you're a one-man reclamation project
[01:34] <bjsnider> singlehandedly trying to breathe life into ppc
[03:06] <psusi> is it expected that upgrading to quantal at this point with fglrx installed leads to a broken x?
[03:46] <pepee> psusi, install fglrx-updates
[12:31] <Gamoder_> Hi, I just wanted to re-ask: does anybody else have the bug (Ubuntu 10.10, 64 bit, XFCE as DE) that openoffice crashes whenever you "open" an embedded object and click on the original (non-embedded) document afterwards
 could someone with nvidia binary, someone with nvidia nouveau and/or someone with fglrx try out the nux from  ppa:timo-jyrinki/prerelease in quantal and report back if seeing anything regressing in bringing Dash visible / active blur?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:11] <dr_willis> hmmm. yesterday's updates confused my desktop. reset all my settings to get it working again. noticed an amazon icon in the launcher. is that a new default. or just a webapps quirk i hit.
[14:11] <philinux> dr_willis: it's the new default
[14:12] <philinux> dr_willis: also see this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-adds-amazon-results-off-switch-fixes-nsfw-issues?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29
[14:13] <dr_willis> so the icon is there by default. that seems  almost too much like hp and dell with their cruftware
[14:14] <dr_willis> id rather have a switch in the dash to toggle it when needed. byt i bet most people will remove the shopping lens.
[14:15] <philinux> dr_willis: there was a huge discussion on the forums. Also see this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12257857&postcount=85
[14:16] <dr_willis> discussion or flamefest? i tend to not hit the forums m
[14:16] <philinux> dr_willis: that post 85 is from my sticky and has most relevant info
[14:19] <dr_willis> will be amuseing to see the ranting on release day.
[14:22] <philinux> dr_willis: and the fact that the iso is now 758 meg
[14:23] <philinux> no more fit on cd and the alternate install is gone too
[14:23] <dr_willis> people will rant about the size.. then in the next line say more stuff should be included. ;)
[14:24] <philinux> dr_willis: lol yes indeed
[14:24] <dr_willis> of course im the kind that removes libreoffice to save space ;)
[14:25] <philinux> dr_willis: I'm the kind thats fortunately been able to use live usb stick
[14:52] <Mneumonic> Is the Release Candidate for 12.10 still planned to come out today?
[14:57] <philinux> Mneumonic: yep as far as I know
[14:57] <bazhang> !schedule
[14:58] <bazhang> 10/11 is scheduled to be the release candidate. at what time is unclear
[14:59] <Mneumonic> Great!  I am very anxious to try it out.
[16:00] <omac> bug with the ubuntu donate page located here.  I click the pay button and then doesn't proceed as expected.
[16:00] <omac> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions
[16:00] <omac> I plunked in an amount that was a bit different and then I tried a second time with the defaults, but still it didn't proceed.
[16:42] <AaronCampbell> Ever since I switched my display driver to the proprietary AMD one, screenshots using gnome-screenshot are coming back completely black
[16:43] <AaronCampbell> Is this some problem in the driver (I assume there's nothing I can do about this), or possibly a configuration issue?
[16:43] <AaronCampbell> Has anyone else seen this?
[16:49] <nadeem> hi guys want to know how to upgrade the kernel on my usb stick ubuntu 12.10??
[17:00] <bazhang> trism, so the !schedule link is wrong
[17:01] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <bazhang> 10/11 RC
[17:02] <trism> bazhang: my mistake you are correct
[17:02] <bazhang> and 10/18 Final?
[17:02] <bazhang> ah ok thanks
[18:32] <pepee> after upgrading, grub did not find my windows 7 partition. I had to mount that partition manually and run update-grub2
[18:34] <pepee> I had those entries edited by hand in fstab, and used the old format without UUIDs. something changed that to the UUID format and after that grub didn't find the windows partition
[18:34] <BluesKaj> really , were you using legacy-grub previously ?
[18:37] <pepee> 6+ months ago, yeah
[18:38] <BluesKaj> pepee, fstab works ok , but I haven't bothered with it since upgrading to 12.10 . Dolphin places shows all my partitions and external drive as labelled
[18:39] <pepee> I'm just saying that there is a bug and grub did not detect that partition
[18:39] <BluesKaj> did you run os-prober ?
[18:40] <pepee> I know how to do things, the problem would be when someone who knows even less than me discovers this problem
[18:40] <pepee> no, I didn't, don't even know what it is
[18:41] <BluesKaj> actually this the first I've heard of any bug
[18:41] <jtaylor> I just asked in -devel if its on someones shedule
[18:41] <jtaylor> the bug seems very common
[18:42] <BluesKaj> any bug to to with grub that is
[18:43] <BluesKaj> to do with
[18:49] <pepee> well, for the record, that's my workaround. mount the partition and run update-grub2
[18:49] <jtaylor> thats strange
[18:50] <jtaylor> the workaround in the past was the opposite
[18:50] <jtaylor> umount the partition
[18:56] <trism> bug 1051306 at least (I think this is the one I found when someone else had this issue earlier in the cycle)
[18:57] <BluesKaj> pepee, there's a grub upgrade in the repos as we speak , i lust installed it
[18:57] <jtaylor> thx
[18:59] <jtaylor> I'll mark that critical if theres another report
[19:01] <pepee> ah yeah, I see. the grub update was installed an hour ago. kinda conflicting because I just found this half an hour ago lol
[19:03] <pepee> I mean, I can't say if it was fixed or not. anyway, thanks, I hope I could help
[19:38] <jtaylor> pepee: the issue will be looked at by dev's,  if you can provide some extra information please post it in the bug
[19:43] <pepee> jtaylor, well, the bug report it's what I'm seeing, os-prober fails to find windows unless I mount that partition
[19:46] <pepee> jtaylor, does a trace help somehow?
[19:46] <jtaylor> what kind of trace?
[19:46] <jtaylor> unfortunately I know nothing about grub
[19:46] <pepee> bash -x os-prober
[19:46] <jtaylor> could be useful
[19:48] <bjsnider> grub has gotten a lot simpler: which is another way of saying it's gotten a lot more complicated
[20:01] <dr_willis> is wubi included on the 12.10 disk anymore? i never noticed if it was gone. there was metion of removeing it.
[20:21] <silverarrow> I have trouble with frames and windows sizing
[20:21] <silverarrow> there are loads of error messages on almost any app I launch in terminal
[20:22] <silverarrow> regarding frames and sizing I mean
[20:23] <silverarrow> however, it is mostly mplayer I cannot make behave when playing films, whether they are stored on the harddrive or cd
[20:44] <Darxus> I just tried using unity for the first time in a while (just long enough to get gnome classic reinstalled), trying to figure out how to get into the package manager, typed "packages", and got a screen full of... CDs for sale.    Even if I can switch to a different UI.
[20:48] <bekks> Whats the problem in either using the software center or installing synaptic?
[20:49] <IdleOne> Please keep the language clean
[20:50] <Darxus> The problem is that the primary interface is trying to sell me stuff.
[20:50] <Darxus> By default.
[20:51] <IdleOne> remove unity-lens-shopping
[20:51] <Darxus> 04:50PM < Darxus> By default.
[20:51] <IdleOne> you won't get those suggestions anymore
[20:51] <IdleOne> Darxus: We know.
[20:51] <IdleOne> remove unity-lens-shopping
[20:51] <Darxus> I'm so enraged that I've mentioned to people over the years that this is the distro I use, and as a result they might now think I condone this....
[20:51] <Darxus> IdleOne: Remove it by default.
[20:51] <bekks> Then condone it if you dont like it and dont want to change it.
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> wait till Darxus finds out that canonical now asks ppl to donate prior to download the isos
[20:52] <IdleOne> Darxus: Email Canonical about it. We can't remove it by default
[20:56] <jtaylor> FernandoMiguel: the request for donation is far less annoying than this lens
[20:56] <jtaylor> especially as we all get our isos from the daily build page ;)
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> ;)
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> I might give it some euros
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> especially for the android/mobile support
[20:58] <bekks> i'd love to see sparc support :)
[20:59] <jtaylor> debian supports sparc
[20:59] <Darxus> Thanks.  I opened a bug.  I'm.... so angry.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1065720
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> bekks: LMAO
[20:59]  * FernandoMiguel pulls the popcorns and waits for it to be closed as WON'T FIX
[20:59] <fishscene> ...or marked as a duplicate
[20:59] <bekks> FernandoMiguel: I'd really love to see sparc support, no kidding. One OS on every hardware I am using. :)
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> remember notification bubbles? Update Manager? left side controls ? Font sizes? Mono? Unity?
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> and after all this release cycles, I'm forced to agree with most of them
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> changing mind sets is NOT easty
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> *easy
[21:02] <bekks> Basically it would just require someone starting to compile it. All the tools ae there already.
[21:02] <bekks> gcc supports sparc, kernel supports sparc, etc.
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> tru
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> wanna do it ? :)
[21:03] <pepee> use {k,l,x}ubuntu?
[21:03] <bekks> FernandoMiguel: In long cold winter nights, I will start trying :)
[21:38] <Darxus> fishscene: Do you know of any bugs it is likely to be marked as a duplicate of?  It wouldn't surprise me, and I'd like to see them.
[21:54] <Darxus> Found a couple searching for closed bugs against unity-lens-shopping.
[22:11] <maxb> Has something changed in how upgrades to quantal are performed? 'update-manager -c -d' is not offering me an upgrade (from precise)
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> maxb: why both?
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> -d is devel
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> -c is regular upgrades
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> make sure you are not already in QQ or have weird repos
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> if everything fails, try the cli version, do-release-upgrade
[22:13] <maxb> I interpreted the help as -c "yes, check for dist upgrades" -d "accept upgrades to unreleased version"
[22:17] <maxb> Oh, I'd ended up in "only upgrade to LTSes" mode, somehow
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> doh
[22:30] <Daekdroom> That's default for LTS releases, iirc.
[22:39] <IdleOne> Daekdroom: it is, good recollection.
[22:52] <AaronCampbell> Ever since I switched my display driver to the proprietary AMD one, screenshots using gnome-screenshot are coming back completely black
[22:52] <AaronCampbell> Is this some problem in the driver (I assume there's nothing I can do about this), or possibly a configuration issue?


[02:50] <elky> for reference before we start:
[02:50] <IdleOne> So yeah How do we get international UW teams involved in this channel?
 we really need to find a good way to bring all the international UW groups in to the folds
 yes I agree, the language barrier does limit access for a lot of women I am sure
 do any exist yet?
 I don't have any idea how we could accomplish that
[02:50] <elky> I think there's some channels
[02:50]  * elky goes to play scour the channel list
[02:52] <IdleOne> ok so /list was not helpful :/ and ugly looking to boot
[02:52] <IdleOne> heh
[02:52] <pleia2> probably want to /msg alis
[02:52] <elky> xchat being graphical it's a bit easier to work with
[02:53] <pleia2> but alis would only have registered channels, of course
[02:53] <elky> the problem is that "woman" isn't the same in all languages, funnily enough
[02:53] <pleia2> of course
[02:55] <IdleOne> well in french it is femme
[02:55] <IdleOne> but even that does not mean they have the word "woman" in the name
[02:56] <IdleOne> guess a thread on the loco teams mailing list might be a start asking people to join here
[02:59] <elky> I spot none in the list. I'd expect there to be at least one for de, es, fr, pt as they have extensive sub-namespaces, but there is nothing visible for those
[03:00] <IdleOne> tatica1 from the -hn team is go to person according to magifab
[03:00] <IdleOne> I could send a message asking her to join here and perhaps invite people she knows who are interrested
[03:01] <IdleOne> magicfab*
[03:01] <elky> I think we need to have a basic plan of what we want to ask of people before we go asking them
[03:01] <IdleOne> elky: yup, good idea
[03:02] <elky> we need a better way of organising the wiki translating too
[03:02] <elky> being monolingual means that my best guess wasn't really best anything :P
[03:03] <pleia2> yeah, we should ask a translations person
[03:03]  * pleia2 doesn't know either
[03:03] <elky> I think what we want is an internationalization sub team
[03:03]  * pleia2 nods
[03:04] <IdleOne> ok so basically a carbon copy of the wiki in different languages?
[03:04] <elky> IdleOne, ideally, yes.
[03:04] <elky> we may want to start it as a project in launchpad even, for managing it
[03:04]  * IdleOne will begin work on the french translation and ask issyl0 if she would like to help out :)
[03:05] <elky> \o/
[03:05] <IdleOne> not tonight though :P
[03:05] <IdleOne> but put me down for that
[03:05] <IdleOne> I would also ask that you and pleia2 kick me in the butt now and then if I begin to slack
[03:05] <elky> if youse can get a good skeleton structure, then we'll be rolling
[03:05] <IdleOne> :)
[03:05] <pleia2> IdleOne: mission accepted :P
[03:06] <IdleOne> you been trying to get to kick me for years now :P
[03:06] <elky> Also, an internationalisation footer to include in to the pages, so people can click a flag and be directed to their translation would /rock/
[03:06] <pleia2> the wiki has some #header things to help with language somehow
[03:06] <pleia2> but that's all voodoo to me
[03:06] <elky> pleia2, we need to find someone whose used it before then :)
[03:07] <IdleOne> wiki magic is voodoo to me also but I can learn.
[03:07]  * pleia2 nods
[03:07] <elky> i just find stuff that looks nice and steal it
[03:07] <elky> this might be a bit beyond that though
[03:10] <IdleOne> we might need to revise English, please
[03:10] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-women is an English language channel. If you speak in another language in #ubuntu-women, you will be redirected to the appropriate Ubuntu channels in other languages.
[03:10] <IdleOne> to make it a little more inclusive somehow
[03:10] <IdleOne> another thing to figure out
[03:11] <IdleOne> or more tollerant of other languages with enphasis on english
[03:12] <elky> well, we'd have to make some sub-channels. this is why a sub-team would be worthwhile
[03:12] <maco> we've let other languages go when we had someone who we trust that speaks that language around
[03:12] <maco> like russian when LucidFox is around
[03:12] <IdleOne> maco: true
[03:12] <elky> yeah
[03:12] <maco> (figuring if they new person with another language was misbehaving, our trusted person would speak up regarding how it translates)
[03:32] <IdleOne> would I need to re-upload all the attachments also for the french version or will the links still work?
[03:38] <IdleOne> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fran%C3%A7ais French version started :)
[05:36] <dk> wow
[05:36] <dk> still no women in sight
[06:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:39] <jussi01> Morning all!
[09:14] <Dront-ru> ?!!
[09:14] <Dront-ru> au-au
[09:16] <rww> o.O
[09:46] <issyl0> IdleOne: depends what you're translating, but probably, yeah, thanks!
[09:47] <issyl0> win 5
[09:47] <issyl0> Grr
[10:35] <Tm_T> hi
[10:38] <lauraczajkowski> aloha
[10:39] <Pendulum> hiya lauraczajkowski :)
[10:39] <Pendulum> how's the global jam going?
[10:41] <lauraczajkowski> great
[10:41] <lauraczajkowski> 26 here so far
[10:43] <lauraczajkowski> I'll try and tweet and pics when I can and when we get the streaming up I'll poke folks
[10:43] <lauraczajkowski> :)
[11:47] <IdleOne> issyl0: this is what i could use help with http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fran%C3%A7ais
[11:55] <elky> IdleOne, i think one of the first things you need to do is take a copy of the nav include and translate /that/
[11:55] <elky> otherwise you're not going to have the glue
[11:56] <IdleOne> elky: yup. all I did yesterday was copy the page and upload the images.
[11:57] <IdleOne> this weekend is a bit of a busy one so I will actually get started on it during the week. I am also going to ask/mention it to the ubuntu-qc folks today at the Jam.
[11:57] <elky> whee!
[11:57] <IdleOne> :)
[11:58] <elky> the folks there going "but it's so confusing gimme something eeeeeasy" should go fine with it, so long as they're not douchey
[12:02] <IdleOne> elky: sorry you lost me there :/
[12:04] <elky> IdleOne, at the jam. if it's a typical gathering of this nature you'll have a few people who come along to try and help but end up just flailing
[12:06] <IdleOne> elky: I will mention it to them and give the link. anybody who wants to help is welcome. Even if all they do is translate one sentence it will be great
[12:07] <IdleOne> I am wondering is there a way to set it so edits to the page need to be approved?
[12:07] <elky> Yeah, that's kinda a problem with this kind of translating.
[12:09] <elky> IdleOne, maybe dropping in to the translators channel and asking advice?
[12:10] <IdleOne> elky: I am asking because with a project like UW it of course attracts a lot of trolls and would hate to see some "stupid" translations put up :/
[12:10] <elky> Yeah, I know why you're asking. I just don't have the answer.
[12:10] <elky> Of all the people who would, the people in the translators channel would, though.
[12:11] <elky> or heck, the moinmoin channel even
[12:13] <elky> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation
[12:13] <IdleOne> thank you
[12:13] <IdleOne> I will look into it
[12:14] <elky> docs team seems to use rosetta ok by the looks of that page :-/
[13:57] <akgraner> *yawns* Good Morning and Happy Global Jam Weekend :-)
[13:58] <IdleOne> Morning :) and same to you
[14:00] <akgraner> thanks :-)
[14:28] <Pendulum> hiya
[14:32] <akgraner> Pendulum, how's you today?
[14:33] <akgraner> So any one want to pick a wiki page to work on )if it needs it  and tweak if in support and participation in Global Jam :-)
[14:35] <Pendulum> akgraner: sadly woke up quite ill :(
[14:35] <akgraner> Pendulum, :-(
[14:35] <akgraner> I hope you feel better and it's nothing to serious
[14:35] <Pendulum> yeah, I'm going to try to maybe get some jam stuff done later, but I'm not pushing it
[14:37] <akgraner> no your health is so much more important
[19:20] <switchgirl> sudo shutdown -h +25        going down for earth hour