[12:32] <KabelKasper> mornfall: The cleanest package manager GUI i have ever seen is Xandros Networks
[12:32] <KabelKasper> http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/xandros_networks1.png
[12:32] <KabelKasper> http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/xandros_networks2.png
[12:34] <KabelKasper> \sh_away: Will the RepositoryDialog be a guidance aplication?
[12:42] <spstarr_home> Riddell: is there a python2.4-sip4-kde3 package coming?
[12:46] <Riddell> spstarr_home: there's a sip package and a python-kde3 package
[12:47] <spstarr_home> its missing the .api files though?
[12:47] <Riddell> python-kde3-dev ?
[12:47] <Riddell> has the .sip files, what's a .api file?
[12:48] <spstarr_home> oh that has the .sip file
[12:48] <spstarr_home> there's a python2.4-sip4-qt3
[12:48] <spstarr_home> ok that explains what I was missing
[12:50] <spstarr_home>  .api files are generated by eric3
[12:50] <spstarr_home> via sip
[12:53] <mdke> Riddell, around?
[12:54] <Riddell> mdke: hi
[12:54] <mdke> wow midnight on a sunday, what service :)
[12:54] <spstarr_home> thanks, now i have a complete KDE Python development environment
[12:54] <mdke> Riddell, re: the kubuntu docs on help.u.c: i've put them up, just wanted to clarify something.
[12:55] <Riddell> spstarr_home: what are the .sip files needed for?
[12:55] <mdke> Riddell, i made some web targets with local stylesheets, are these ok?
[12:55] <mdke> they are kde-default.css
[12:56] <spstarr_home> Riddell, to generate code completion .api files for when specifying functions or variables
[12:56] <Riddell> mdke: local as in file:/  ?>
[12:56] <Riddell> s/>//
[12:56] <mdke> no, sorry
[12:56] <mdke> i'll show you
[12:56] <mdke> Riddell, http://help.ubuntu.com/kde/kquickguide/C/index.html
[12:57] <Riddell> mdke: looks fine
[12:57] <mdke> good
[12:57] <Riddell> mdke: why wouldn't they be?
[12:57] <mdke> Riddell, just in case I'd taken the wrong .css file or something
[12:57] <mdke> Riddell, i've made separate Makefile targets for building with that css
[12:58] <mdke> ending in -web
[12:58] <Riddell> good idea
[12:58] <mdke> okies
[12:59] <mdke> will you point the links at those files?
[12:59] <Riddell> yep
[12:59] <mdke> great, thanks
[12:59] <mdke> no kubuntu header on the pages sadly, but we can work on that
[12:59] <Riddell> yes, I'll get round to that soonish
[12:59] <Riddell> once kde 3.5 rc1 is done
[01:00] <mdke> i'd like to find a way, for kubuntu and ubuntu docs, to generate headers on the page automatically from the xsl, I'm sure it's possible
[01:00] <mdke> i'll look around
[01:01] <Riddell> why shouldn't it be?
[01:01] <mdke> it should
[01:01] <mdke> i just need to learn how
[02:11] <spstarr_home> hrm, PyKDE tutorials are way out of date :(
[02:12] <spstarr_home> KTMainWindow is nonexistant
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> anyone having problems with kdesktop segfaulting?
[10:05] <Tm_T> version?
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> dapper.
[10:05] <Tm_T> I mean KDE version
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> 3.4.3-0ubuntu4
[10:06] <Tm_T> ah
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> Im pretty sure its related to the libarts bullshit thats been going on
[10:07] <Tm_T> :/
[10:07] <Tm_T> I don't use arts, for reason
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> #4  0xb69debae in __gnu_cxx::__pool<true>::_M_reclaim_block ()
[10:07] <Diablo-D3>    from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> #5  0xb651afbc in __gnu_cxx::__mt_alloc<Arts::ParamDef, __gnu_cxx::__common_pool_policy<__gnu_cxx::__pool, true> >::deallocate () from /usr/lib/libartskde.so.1
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> #6  0xb5fcec5c in Arts::readTypeSeq<Arts::MethodDef> ()
[10:07] <Diablo-D3>    from /usr/lib/libmcop.so.1
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> it doesnt really matter
[10:07] <Tm_T> I do my best to avoid it
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> kdesktop is still linked to it, and tries to use it
[10:08] <Tm_T> yup
[10:08] <Tm_T> even if soundsystem is disabled?
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> yup
[10:08] <Tm_T> humm
[10:08] <Tm_T> great
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> I've seen similar tracebacks for other things
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> in bugzilla I mean
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> (on bugzilla?)
[10:09] <Tm_T> in
[10:09] <Tm_T> imo
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why this hasnt been noticed before
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> the lack of kdesktop functioning would be pretty noticable
[10:10] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[10:11] <Tm_T> hullo Tonio_
[10:13] <Tonio_> hi Tm_T
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> what sucks is reverting to breezy's kdesktop and libarts1c2 doesnt help
[10:18] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: I installed rc1, no problem, I moved to dapper, no problem
[10:18] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: wtf.
[10:18] <Diablo-D3> I wonder whats causing that then.
[10:19] <Tm_T> well, never used 3.4.3 afaik
[10:19] <Tm_T> so if it's there, I don't know
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> yeah, but Im using the newest packages.
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> so if you're using the newest packages, and I'm using the newest pakcages, then theres a problem.
[10:21] <Tm_T> humm, can you try rc1 ?
[10:21] <Tm_T> (not sure does it install properly to dapper though)
[10:21] <Diablo-D3> no, I cant try rc1
[10:22] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:22] <Tm_T> then use it, don't just try ;)
[10:22] <Diablo-D3> hah
[10:23] <Tm_T> I don't have other machines to test either
[10:23] <Tm_T> I just install new stuff and fortunately most of the timee all works fine
[10:24] <Diablo-D3> what version of kdesktop do you have installed?
[10:25] <Tm_T> I'm not home now, but I hope it's still rc1
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> wtf.
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: something isnt right here
[10:30] <Tm_T> ah
[10:30] <Tm_T> you have borked your own box?
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> why does dapper have 3.5-rc1 for source
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> and not for packages?
[10:30] <Tm_T> dunno
[10:31] <Tm_T> if there's no packages, make some ;)
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> well, thats what I'm doing atm
[10:31] <Tm_T> :)
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> though, I obviously can't upload them to dapper =P
[10:32] <Verwilst> it's because the gcc transition that's going to happen this week
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> lets see how long kdebase takes to compile on my sempron 2600+
[10:34] <Tm_T> Verwilst: please tell more
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> yes, spit it out
[10:34] <Verwilst> libstdc++ will be upgraded iirc
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> oh god, again?
[10:34] <Verwilst> which will mean rebuilding lots of dapper pkgs
[10:34] <Diablo-D3> didnt we just go through one of these?
[10:35] <Verwilst> that was gcc4.0 transition :p
[10:35] <Verwilst> this will happen this week normally
[10:35] <Tm_T> Verwilst: something to do with this? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/427962
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> and hopefully nothing else.
[10:39] <Verwilst> Tm_T, no idea :)
[10:39] <Tm_T> Verwilst: that was with gcc4, gcc3.4(?) compiled it fine
[10:40] <Tm_T> hah
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> so, arts, kdelibs, and kdebase.
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> what a pain in the ass.
[10:41] <Tm_T> yes I am
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> er, that cant be right
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> g++-3.4 is a build dep of arts.
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> that means...
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> um
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> wtf?
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> that doesnt even make sense
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> why would g++3.4 ever be a build dep of arts?
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> kde is built with 4.0
[10:45] <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I could CXX=g++-4.0 apt-get -b source arts
[10:45] <Diablo-D3> nope
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> ugh
[10:51] <Diablo-D3>   * Build with GCC 3.4 to prevent segfault
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> thanks jriddel
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: hey
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> if arts is compiled with g++ 3.4, kde cant link with it, right?
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> AHAH!
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> I found a bug methinks
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> kdelibs requires libarts1-dev >= 1.5.0
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> but 1.5-rc1-1ubuntu1 apparently doesnt >= 1.5.0
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> anyone think I should file a bug?
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/4435
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> ie, editing the control file
[11:50] <Diablo-D3> kdelibs is done!
[12:02] <Diablo-D3> soon I will have a working copy of kde 3.5 rc1 as packaged by ubuntu
[12:40] <Diablo-D3> ahh another bug
[12:40] <Diablo-D3> Xrender.h->render.h
[12:53] <Diablo-D3> no thats not quite right either
[01:53] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: no need to file a bug
[01:58] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: FYI, I uploaded on REVU the last version of pwmanager (the package that didn't want to upload for a strange reason)... Maybe this new package will.
[01:59] <Tonio_> also I uploaded an update for kmess, tellico, and a original package for codeine (a media player minimalist, very stable, rocking...)
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: well too late =P
[03:29] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: how is rc1 doing?
[03:31] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: compiling away nicely thanks :)
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> great
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> do you have any indication when they will be available?
[03:32] <Riddell> new c++ transition has slowed it down but I should have the breezy stuff available in a couple of hours with any luck
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> great, so I will be able to update my breezy to 3.5 this evening
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: thank you very much for your great work
[03:38] <Diablo-D3> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/kfontview': No such file or directory
[03:38] <Diablo-D3> bah
[03:41] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: what's that?
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> kdebase 3.5 rc1 from dapper
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> I got arts to build fine, and I got kdelibs to build fine
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> but kdebase just fucking shits itself
[04:19] <jjesse> can i just change my sources from breezy to dapper to get a preview of what dapper currently looks like?
[04:21] <Riddell> jjesse: you can, it doesn't look much different :)
[04:21] <jjesse> install 5, upgrad 417 remove 2 according to adept :)
[04:22] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so any ideas?
[04:24] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: what's the problem?
[04:24] <Diablo-D3> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/kfontview': No such file or directory
[04:25] <Riddell> when do you get that?
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> at the end
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> its running dh_ commands
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I'm assuming kde in dapper was never meant to be compiled
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> because it doesnt without hacking
[04:27] <Riddell> I have kfontview on my kdebase compile
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> blah
[04:27] <Riddell> possibly you're missing some buil
[04:27] <Riddell> possibly you're missing some build-dep
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> unlikely
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> unless the build-deps are incomplete
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> I only have installed whats required for arts, kdelibs, and kdebase.
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> atleast kdelibs builds with only one alteration
[04:28] <Riddell> look through the configure output
[04:29] <Riddell> and try running make in ./obj-i486-linux-gnu/kcontrol/kfontinst/viewpart/
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> (had to change control to allow arts 1.5-current-ubuntu, because it doesnt >= 1.5.0)
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> hrm, where does configure.log end up?
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> er config.log
[04:30] <Riddell> in obj-i486-linux-gnu
[04:30] <Riddell> see the .build file in .. though
[04:30] <Diablo-D3> heh shoulda known
[04:31] <Diablo-D3> config.log isnt being useful, sadly enough
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> though, something maybe interesting...
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> configure:43370: checking for fontconfig-config
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> configure:43420: result: not found
[04:32] <Diablo-D3> checking for GL fails too
[04:32] <Riddell> sounds likely
[04:33] <Diablo-D3> that Xrender.h thing crops up again too
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> so the check for Xft fails.
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: for some reason (ask daniels, because I dont get it) Xrender.h is not put in /usr/include/X11/extensions
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> its put in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions, all by itself
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> dun dun duuuun
[04:35] <Diablo-D3> configure:45168: WARNING: Missing Xft headers - disabling font previews!
[05:09] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: hey
[05:09] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: hmm?
[05:09] <Diablo-D3> so whats the proper way to fix this Xrender.h bullshit?
[05:10] <Riddell> wuh, not sure just yet
[05:10] <Diablo-D3> this does suck, btw
[05:11] <Diablo-D3> maybe I'll just copy Xrender.h to /usr/include/X11/extensions
[05:11] <Diablo-D3> because, you know, thats where it belongs and all...
[06:01] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: well
[06:01] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: copying the file worked
[06:06] <Diablo-D3> w00t
[06:06] <Diablo-D3> kdesktop works now
[06:07] <hunger> Diablo-D3: What did you do to fix it?
[06:07] <Diablo-D3> hunger: built a newer version
[06:07] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Oh:-)
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> maybe 'fix' isnt the right word
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> atleast it executes now
[06:08] <Diablo-D3> and displays icons
[06:09] <Diablo-D3> gah
[06:09] <Diablo-D3> xrender strikes again methinks
[06:12] <Diablo-D3> and there goes kdesktop
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> #4  0xb7df1bae in __gnu_cxx::__pool<true>::_M_reclaim_block ()
[06:13] <Diablo-D3>    from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> #5  0xb654e1bf in init_konq_sound () from /usr/lib/kde3/konq_sound.so
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> #6  0xb654d393 in init_konq_sound () from /usr/lib/kde3/konq_sound.so
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> #7  0xb7c19d7d in KonqIconViewWidget::slotOnItem () from /usr/lib/libkonq.so.4
[06:13] <Diablo-D3> #8  0xb7c38fba in KonqIconViewWidget::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkonq.so.4
[06:13] <jpatrick> flood
[06:38] <jpatrick> Oh dear where's _Tonio_?
[06:39] <Riddell> 16:42 -!- Tonio_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote closed the connection]
[06:42] <jpatrick> I need some French stuff done for Kubuntu Forums
[06:43] <Riddell> try #kubuntu-fr
[06:43] <jpatrick> I have bad French...
[06:44] <jpatrick> but I'll try :P
[07:33] <jpat|away> Riddell: you there?
[07:43] <Riddell> jpat|away: hi
[07:44] <jpat|away> Riddell: could you announce the new French forums?
[07:44] <Riddell> jpat|away: sure, URL?
[07:45] <jpat|away> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php#11
[07:46] <jpat|away> Tonio_!
[07:46] <Tonio_> re
[07:46] <Tonio_> hi jpat|away
[07:47] <jpat|away> just finished setting up the French forums
[07:47] <Tonio_> excellente nouvelle ;)
[07:48] <Tonio_> url please ?
[07:48] <jpat|away> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php#11
[07:48] <jpat|away> need to add descriptions tho
[07:48] <Tonio_> okay
[07:48] <Tonio_> don't you speak french ?
[07:48] <Tonio_> let me check
[07:49] <jpat|away> Tonio_: a bit
[07:49] <jpat|away> took a while to get the people at #kubuntu-fr to understand me
[07:49] <Tonio_> Installation et Premier Lancement <- trouvez les solutions  vos problmes d'installation et de dmarrage
Kubuntuforums.net à des nouvelle forums francophone.

[07:50] <Riddell> bon?
[07:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/des nouvelle/de nouveaux
[07:51] <Tonio_> "forum" is masculin in french
[07:51] <jpat|away> Tonio_: got that
[07:51] <Tonio_> and s/francophone/francophones ;-)
[07:52] <Tonio_> Riddell:
Kubuntuforums.net a de nouveaux forums francophones.

[07:52] <Tonio_> here is the full replacement
[07:52] <Tonio_> jpat|away: let me finish the others ;)
[07:54] <Tonio_> Support Logiciel <- Aide et solutions pour vos problmes relatifs aux logiciels et  leur configuration
[07:54] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/ voila
[07:55] <jpat|away> merci
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: replace "" by "a"
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't take any accent when it's a verb
[07:55] <Riddell> done
[07:55] <Tonio_> and francophone needs an "s"
[07:55] <Riddell> done
[07:56] <Tonio_> and that's perfect ;)
[07:56] <Riddell> although I'm not sure why
[07:56] <Diablo-D3> french speakers?
[07:56] <Tonio_> advjectives takes an S when the name is plural
[07:56] <Riddell> my french is so bad, quebec did nothing for it
[07:56] <Tonio_> that's different in english
[07:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is quite okay, you can speak and be understood
[07:57] <jpat|away> right
[07:57] <jpat|away> Tonio_: wanna be moderator?
[07:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: my english is far from beeing perfect too ;)
[07:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: s/too/to/  :)
[07:57] <Tonio_> jpat|away: I'd be honnored yes
[07:57] <jpat|away> Tonio_: your it
[07:57] <Tonio_> jpat|away: thanks
[07:58] <jpat|away> what's your nick there?
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: "to" when saying "also" take only one "o" ?
[07:59] <Riddell> hmm, dunno, maybe not
[07:59] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:00] <jpat|away> Riddell: is 'older news' meant to have to stories with the same names above it?
[08:00] <Tonio_> Support Matriel <- Posez ici vos questions concernant vos problmes relatifs au matriel
[08:01] <Tonio_> jpat|away: id "Gnral" a kind of blabla, or is itsupposed to be relative to kubuntu anyway ?
[08:02] <jpat|away> Relative/Anything else
[08:02] <Tonio_> jpat|away: okay
[08:03] <Tonio_> Gnral <- Pour les sujets divers ne correspondant  aucune des rubriques ci-dessus
[08:03] <Tonio_> jpat|away: that should be okay
[08:03] <jpat|away> prefect
[08:03] <jpat|away> just need your nick
[08:04] <Riddell> jpat|away: nope, fixed, thanks
[08:05] <Riddell> hmm, no more kubuntu-girl on front page
[08:05] <jpat|away> welcome :)
[08:05] <jpat|away> :(
[08:05] <jpat|away> under Konqui?
[08:07] <Tonio_> jpat|away: concerning the moderator rank, my account's login is Tonio, simply, in case you where doubting
[08:07] <jpat|away> right
[08:08] <jpat|away> Just need to wait for Zack (admin) to finish his test
[08:08] <jpat|away> gotta go
[08:08] <jpat|away> later
[08:08] <Riddell> I need more upstream
[08:08] <Riddell> my bandwidth is saturated
[08:09] <jjesse> just finished upgrading kubuntu breezy box to dapper :)
[08:09] <Riddell> jjesse: success?
[08:09] <jjesse> successful upgrade, i'm restarting just for fun :)
[08:09] <jjesse> does dapper include kde 3.5 rc1?
[08:09] <Riddell> nope
[08:10] <jjesse> i guess that's next
[08:10] <Riddell> should do in a couple of days, maybe, possibly
[08:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw this
[08:11] <Tonio_> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=18416
[08:12] <jjesse> can i use the deb source for kde35rc in a dapper build?
[08:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: it appears that the french ubuntu-fr.org team was about to create a french section
[08:13] <Riddell> jjesse: yep
[08:13] <Tonio_> and they are apparently embarrassed with the risk of having a double database that would make it complicated for users to search on......
[08:15] <Riddell> hmm, splitting the community isn't good
[08:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't have any opinion, but I'm just discussing with him
[08:19] <Riddell> saklut yann
[08:19] <Riddell> salut
[08:20] <Diablo-D3> the new sf.net site is up
[08:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: where?  who to?
[08:20] <Diablo-D3> ugly as sin
[08:20] <Tm_T> have to speak english, let's see if I can manage it all
[08:20] <Riddell> tm	rather
[08:21] <Tm_T> ?
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: Yann2 is from ubuntu-fr.org, He is the guy I was discussing with
[08:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: where?  who to?
[08:22] <Tm_T> in school, to class
[08:22] <Tm_T> part of "speak english" course
[08:22] <OculusAquilae> ah :-)
[08:22] <OculusAquilae> wrong command :-)
[08:23] <Tm_T> :p
[08:28] <Tm_T> :)
[08:29] <Sime> scary stuff. ;-)
[08:32] <Riddell> Sime: to who?
[08:33] <Sime> Riddell: NLUUG, (www.nluug.nl)
[08:35] <Riddell> what's the event?  might be good to have that on the dot
[08:36] <Tm_T> that reminds me, I may do presentation too in next local LUG meeting
[08:36] <Tm_T> if I manage to be there
[08:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: #do you prefer to use kubuntuofurms or ubuntu-fr for francophone kubuntu stuff?
[08:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum.....
[08:40] <Tonio_> dunno
[08:40] <Tonio_> both have advantages....
[08:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact I don't see any particular difference as long as the "non hosting" board is linking the other one
[08:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is always possible to add a fake board that is only an external link
[08:43] <Riddell> if francophone kubuntu users have a question about X or whatever I think they are more likely to prefer ubuntu-fr over englihs speaking kubuntuforums
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway http://ubuntuforums.org/ isn't hosting something else that english
[08:43] <Riddell> shame jpatrick has gone, can't discuss it with him
[08:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe it's better to keep sync with the ubuntu way to do, no ?
[08:44] <Tonio_> same logic and organization
[08:44] <Riddell> yes
[08:47] <Riddell> Yann2: when do you think you could get kubuntu skin and forums up on ubuntu-fr?
[08:48] <Yann2> skin? soon
[08:48] <Yann2> this week certainly
[08:49] <Yann2> but the css has been done last week... after a request i made :p
[08:50] <Yann2> forum... we'll see how to do that at the meeting
[08:50] <Riddell> it's just a new area on http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/
[08:51] <Yann2> in fact i'd love to see the kubuntu team discuss with the other locoteams to see how to integrate kubuntu on existing ubuntu websites
[08:51] <Yann2> Riddell > yep but we need to discuss what kind of subforums we should create
[08:51] <Tonio_> Riddell, Yann2 : I think that if ubuntu-fr is hosting the french board, it could be interesting to link it in kubuntuforums.net as a fake board...
[08:52] <jjesse> successful upgrade to kde 3.5 rc1 on a dapper build
[08:52] <Yann2> we could link kubuntuforums too
[08:52] <Yann2> as soon as I know the opinion of ubuntforums ^^
[08:55] <Riddell> Yann2: opinion of ubuntforums?
[08:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like a good idea to me
[08:57] <Riddell> I'll take the kubuntuofurms news off kubuntu.org
[08:59] <Yann2> Riddell > ubuntuforums is the official english forum for ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:59] <Yann2> i'd like to know what Ubuntugeek thinks of kubuntuforums.net before doing anything :)
[08:59] <Riddell> not of kubuntu :)
[08:59] <Yann2> there is also a kubuntu forum on it :p
[09:00] <Riddell> but yeah, I'm not sure what the best htthing is to do there either
[09:00] <Yann2> Riddell > maybe, discuss? :)
[09:01] <Yann2> we should be able to come to an agreement which make everybody happy :)


[17:25] <thudkol> Hi. With many Ubuntu installations across many machines I've noticed that trying to change video driver to nvidia in Additional Drivers often fails with no error messages. It simply reverts to xorg driver with no comment. Any idea how I can find out why?
[17:27] <pynki> kaili, the screen gets detected by the desktop monitor settings utility?
[17:27] <MarioMey1> pynki: I'm not connected to the camera yet.
[17:27] <MarioMey1> Camera has a ethernet cable that I connect it to the computer.
[17:27] <MarioMey1> That was the way I detected the camera with Win soft...
[17:27] <pynki> MarioMey1, you need to connect via network cable to the cmaera or use wps on your wifi router and the camera to connect them.
[17:27] <MarioMey1> Maybe I should try to connect the camera to the router... ?
[17:28] <pynki> Yes. you have to
[17:28] <MarioMey1> Ok, I will disconnect to Internet to use another router (Internet router is far away).
[17:28] <kaili> pynki: yes, the screen works. But only using 1920x1080 or lower resolution, not using its optimal 2560x1440 resolution. In other word, that works : xrandr --output DP-1-2 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60 --right-of eDP-1-1 --------- but this one doesn't :  xrandr --output DP-1-2 --mode 2560x1440 --rate 60 --right-of eDP-1-1
[17:28] <MarioMey1> See you, thanks!
[17:29] <pynki> kaili, rate 60 for thew max relosution? dont knwo if that might be an issue if you look at the xrandr output it says 59,xx
[17:30] <pynki> do you have a HDTV with a similar resolution or any other device to check if its the monitor itself or a general problem with > 1080p
[17:30] <kaili> pynki: I tried 59.95, I tried 50, 40, 30... :p
[17:31] <kaili> pynki: the same setup is working if I boot on Windows
[17:31] <kaili> Same cable, same laptop, same port
[17:31] <kaili> And it works at 2560x1440
[17:31] <thudkol> Here's syslog, though again, no errors: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24402080/ are there other logs I could be looking in to diagnose why the nvidia driver won't stay selected?
[17:32] <pynki> kaili, nvidia card?
[17:32] <kaili> Yes
[17:35] <pynki> kaili: could give you alot of links now i found on google... https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/HQsCY7ErAL4 start here. and dig into it
[17:37] <kaili> pynki: I tried that, it doesn't work
[17:38] <kaili> xrandr --newmode 2560x1440 146.27  2560 2680 2944 3328  1440 1441 1444 1465  -HSync +Vsync
[17:38] <kaili> it gives error messages : X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)   Major opcode of failed request:  140 (RANDR)   Minor opcode of failed request:  16 (RRCreateMode)   Serial number of failed request:  34   Current serial number in output stream:  34
[17:39] <pynki> xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_60.00" 312.25 2560 2752 3024 3488 1440 1443 1448 1493 -hsync +vsync
[17:39] <pynki> but i think you tried them all :D
[17:39] <pynki> that one seems common to me in all the google stuff
[17:41] <marvin2> if [ "$CC" ]; then <- is this the right way of checking in bash if $CC environment variable is defined?
[17:42] <pynki> if [ -z "$VAR" ]
[17:42] <nacc> marvin2: not typical -- as that will end up resolving to if [ "" ]; then if CC is unset
[17:42] <kaili> pynki: it does nothing here, I added the mode, selected it and activated it, but still no signal
[17:43] <kaili> Plus it makes kind of a conflict between existing values I believe
[17:43] <nacc> marvin2: also there is a bash channel
[17:44] <marvin2> pynki what difference does -z make?
[17:45] <nacc> marvin2: -z checks if the string is empty
[17:45] <nacc> marvin2: `man bash` explains
[17:45] <marvin2> nacc I'm there, there's an argument there right now, so I am kinda being ignored
[17:45] <nacc> marvin2: oh ok
[17:45] <marvin2> nacc what does [ "$VAR" ] check?
[17:46] <marvin2> seems to be doing the same thing from my limited testing
[17:46] <nacc> marvin2: if the string value resolved by VAR is equivalent to true
[17:49] <Fenix_Peregrino> Hey guys I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and Im having trouble when launching Thunderbird. Does someone know why it doesnt launch?
[17:49] <kaili> Fenix_Peregrino: launch it from a terminal, it should tell you more about it
[17:50] <Fenix_Peregrino> kaili: ok, give me a sec
[17:51] <pcn> mac_nibblet: I'm getting a possibly similar issue
[17:51] <pcn> I actually came here hoping to get an answer
[17:52] <pcn> I was wondering if the upstream patches at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1681875 in nvme/core may be related.
[17:52] <Fenix_Peregrino> kaili: lol it opened inmediatly. Why is this? I was reading that it may have to do with the GTK package but it seems it wasnt that
[17:54] <kaili> No idea, maybe launcher shortcut is messed up
[17:57] <kaili> Damn I can't switch entirely to ubuntu because of this problem
[17:57] <kaili> I wonder if screen EDID is correct
[18:00] <diskin> hi everyone, my laptop has 8Gb RAM and swap partition is 8Gb as well. However, sometimes it is all filled up and the system freeze. Most of the memory is used by Chrome. Any advice about how to avoid it? I tried to turn swap off, in that case the system starts to kill other processes. With swap, it freezes in disk I/O.
[18:00] <Linwood1> Try enabling swap but set it to 15
[18:00] <Linwood1> I think it comes 60 by default?
[18:01] <Linwood1> my laptop has 8GB as well and this setting seems to work great
[18:02] <diskin> swappiness => 15?
[18:02] <Linwood1> that's what I used
[18:02] <Linwood1> sudo bash -c "echo 'vm.swappiness = 15' >> /etc/sysctl.conf"
[18:03] <Linwood1> sudo sysctl -p
[18:03] <diskin> thanks Linwood1 - I will experiment
[18:03] <Linwood1> hope it helps
[18:05] <kaili> Anyone else to give me a hand on this nasty problem ?
[18:06] <Linwood1> sorry i just logged in, what is the problem kaili?
[18:07] <stevessss> so.. on ubuntu 16.04, ever since my upgrade, I've had an issue
[18:07] <stevessss> if I log in with a desktop such as windowmaker, or blackbox, or fvwm etc that isn't kde or gnome
[18:07] <stevessss> I need to run this before launching gedit
[18:08] <stevessss> export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
[18:08] <stevessss> export $(dbus-launch)
[18:08] <kaili>  external monitor not working at optimal resolution (2560x1440 ; it works using 1920x1080) connected from my laptop display port with HDMI cable using Ubuntu 17.04. The same setup is working on Windows, it's definitely an Ubuntu problem. tried with and without nvidia proprietary driver, it doesn't change the problem. Here is the xrandr : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402030/ and the Xorg log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402036/
[18:08] <stevessss> and put that in my .xsession file before the line to launch windowmaker
[18:08] <stevessss> it shoudl be a default that gtk apps work without tweaking if I log in cmd-line only or over ssh without launching a gnome desktop or unity desktop
[18:09] <djnd> stevessss: why?
[18:09] <stevessss> without those 2 lines pasted in the shell   all gnome apps such as gedit, gnome-terminal crash, but gtk apps such as firefox still work
[18:10] <stevessss> ubuntu has always given a choice of desktop environments from complex ones such as unity, gnome, kde, to simple ones such as blackbox, windowmaker, awesome
[18:10] <nacc> stevessss: you just said that 'gtk apps ... work' -- so the prior statement doens't make sense? do you mean 'gnome apps work without tweaking' ?
[18:10] <stevessss> yeah
[18:11] <stevessss> google "no gsettings found ubuntu 16.04"
[18:11] <stevessss> lots of people have this issue
[18:11] <nacc> stevessss: well, yeah, gnome apps probably need a gnome environment
[18:11] <Linwood1> kaili: I found this...
[18:11] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda
[18:11] <Linwood1> kaili: https://samuelmartin.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/enabling-resolutions-in-ubuntu-12-04-lubuntu-12-04/
[18:11] <jamesd> some would say that windowmaker and freinds are the more complex, since you are left with the chore of configuring them your self. ;-)
[18:12] <kaili> I already check out the first 4 google pages
[18:12] <Kiyoshiakira> Hello
[18:12] <Linwood1> Kiyoshiakira: Hi
[18:12] <djnd> compile gedit without dbus or dsettings
[18:12] <stevessss> point is.. gnome environment shoudl be autoloaded, or easilly loadable, or laodable on launch of gnome apps
[18:12] <Kiyoshiakira> I'm trying to install OBS Studio but keep getting errors
[18:12] <stevessss> kde apps launch what is needed of kde env if you launch from plain old shell with $DISPLAY set
[18:13] <stevessss> so do gnustep apps
[18:13] <stevessss> and athena apps
[18:13] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: Pastebin the command and it's output - so we see all in contect .
[18:14] <stevessss> ubuntu 15.04 and earlier all have gnome apps working on plain old shell with data loaded as needed from any window manager
[18:14] <ioria> stevessss,  env | grep  XDG_DATA_DIRS    what it says ?
[18:15] <Kiyoshiakira> Where do I paste?
[18:15] <nacc> !pastebin | Kiyoshiakira
[18:15] <stevessss> on unmodified default shell from wmaker that shows nothing
[18:16] <stevessss> but I put an export line in my xsession
[18:16] <stevessss> so now its XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
[18:16] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402284/
[18:17] <Ryvius> Hello, any way to eliminate screen tearing under Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, with an nvidia card?
[18:17] <stevessss> maybe XDG_DATA_DIRS should be in default bashrc and zshrc etc?
[18:17] <djnd> what login manager do you use?
[18:17] <stevessss> I use xdm
[18:17] <ioria> stevessss,  it is default
[18:18] <stevessss> ahh.. maybe its my upgrade and custom bashrc files
[18:18] <nacc> Kiyoshiakira: you are using so many PPAs :/
[18:19] <Kiyoshiakira> No idea what I'm doing
[18:19] <nacc> Kiyoshiakira: cdrom lines can probably be commented out if you're not using a cdrom actively
[18:19] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda
[18:19] <nacc> !ppa | Kiyoshiakira
[18:19] <j4ckcom> how can i install gqrx?
[18:19] <Kiyoshiakira> So what do I do?
[18:19] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: So dar . uncheck the CDrom box and - http://ppa.launchpad.net/kirillshkrogalev/ffmpeg-next/ubuntu does not support zesty. disable this PPA .
[18:19] <stevessss> maybe upgrade of .zshrc and .bashrc require warnings if they dont load profile.d or dont have that setting on the old manual one
[18:20] <MonkeyDust> j4ckcom  gqrx-sdr sits in the repos
[18:20] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: you can comment out the cdrom lines (dig around /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[18:20] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: some of your ppas are broken, open "Software Sources" and change them manually from "zesty"  to "yakkety"
[18:21] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: also, the PPA doesn't have zesty support i imagine
[18:21] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda
[18:21] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: ^^ and same for - http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu - not supported in zesty .
[18:21] <Fasort> anyone please?
[18:21] <j4ckcom> oh MonkeyDust  there is no package that can be install with gqrx-sdr?
[18:21] <nacc> Kiyoshiakira: i also don't think it's legitimate to say "I dont know what I'm doing" -- you had to add those PPAs as root on your system, so you did that with some intention
[18:22] <krypto_> nacc Kiyoshiakira +1
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> j4ckcom  type    sudo apt install gqrx-sdr
[18:22] <j4ckcom> just sudo apt install gqrx-sdr?
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> j4ckcom  yes, that's the line to install, i have no clue how to use or configure it, however
[18:23] <j4ckcom> ok thanks MonkeyDust :)
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> !info gqrx-sdr
[18:25] <Kiyoshiakira> Well what I mean is I don't know how to do everything that is needed
[18:26] <Linwood1> kaili: did it work?
[18:26] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: None of us know everything about everything in linux . But we do learn .
[18:26] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok I found the files, there was a way to change them in the terminal but I tried and couldn't figure out how to exit.
[18:27] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: were you in vim? try :wq, ctrl+x for nano
[18:27] <Kiyoshiakira> I want to try to change them as text but they say read only
[18:27] <krypto_> use with sudo
[18:28] <krypto_> can use gedit if you want gui
[18:28] <selsper> whats gedit?
[18:28] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: My guessing skills are weak .. Need to know who, what, when, where and what happens .
[18:28] <k1l_> but dont use gedit with sudo
[18:28] <nacc> selsper: graphical editor
[18:29] <djnd> wut
[18:30] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok, so I've been following instructions on installing programs like OBS Studio. Tried and failed.
[18:31] <mark76> Does anyone know how to configure Plank?
[18:31] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you fix your apt files? do you get any errors when running sudo apt update?
[18:31] <djnd> what's the problem Kiyoshiakira ?
[18:31] <Kiyoshiakira> Yeah I pasted the bin for it
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> PPAs that don't work I guess?
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> zesty releases
[18:32] <djnd> define "doesn't work"
[18:32] <krypto_> did you comment out the cdrom lines?
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> Told to change txt file
[18:32] <krypto_> did you update that one ppa to use yakkety?
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> It doesn't install properly, I can't find the program
[18:32] <djnd> if there is no zesty in ppa use yakkety, willy, vivid, etc.
[18:33] <djnd> *wily
[18:33] <nacc> djnd: that is bad advice
[18:33] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: do you have a gui? then go to system settings and to the aoftware and updates part. there unselect the cdrom.
[18:33] <Kiyoshiakira> Can you give me the commands to do it?
[18:33] <nacc> djnd: if there is no zesty in a ppa, don't use that ppa in zesty
[18:33] <k1l_> djnd: its bad to mix the releases. and that will most likely result in dependency hell.
[18:33] <djnd> the distro updater shouldn' t touch ppas, that' s the problem
[18:34] <krypto_> nacc: question- if it's an abandoned ppa, but still works for zesty just hasn't been maintained, is falling back to yakkety generally safe?
[18:34] <ioria> looks  supported in zesty  : https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio
[18:34] <EldonMcGuinness> Any ubuntu-gnome users around? I installed 17.04, but can't seem to find the legacy notification icons and topicons does not seem to work either. :/
[18:34] <tgm4883> krypto_: there's no "generally" when it comes to PPAs
[18:34] <nacc> djnd: the distro updater does not touch ppas it disables them
[18:34] <krypto_> yah good point
[18:35] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: and remove that ffmpeg PPA, its gone since trusty (14.04) anyway.
[18:35] <tgm4883> EldonMcGuinness: top icons works here
[18:35] <EldonMcGuinness> in 17.04?
[18:35] <nacc> krypto_: well 'safe' also is hard to determine with PPAs :)
[18:35] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: you don' t have to edit text files. use software sources applet
[18:35] <mark76> Did I ask a question about Plank?
[18:35] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: and the kubuntu-backports PPA doesnt have 17.04 packages right now. so you can disable that
[18:35] <tgm4883> EldonMcGuinness: yep
[18:35] <EldonMcGuinness> If so then perhaps something is borked for me and I should just reinstall it
[18:35] <mark76> I'm not sure which tab I typed it in
[18:35] <EldonMcGuinness> thanks for the info tgm4883
[18:35] <krypto_> mark76: i don't think the channel supports 3rd party dock questions
[18:36] <djnd> is kubuntu an official flavor?
[18:36] <nacc> djnd: yes
[18:36] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok I unselected it. After it said I had to reload, then it said Failed to download repository information
[18:37] <tasslehoff> To get status mails from mdadm, do I just have to set MAILADDR in mdam.conf?
[18:37] <sebsebseb> EldonMcGuinness: I got the 16.10 version installed ubuntu gnome
[18:37] <sebsebseb> EldonMcGuinness: and maybe a 17.04 in virttual machine as well
[18:37] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: yes, seem my 2nd and 3rd message on the other 2 PPAs
[18:37] <djnd> nacc: it doesn' t have QA passed stamp in the package manager
[18:37] <Kiyoshiakira> The repository wasn't signed
[18:38] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: the ffmpeg-next PPA is dead since 14.04. so no need to have that on your system at all.
[18:38] <nacc> djnd: not sure, i'd ask the kubuntu developers
[18:39] <k1l_> djnd: its pacakges are in universe. its not maintained by canonical.
[18:39] <djnd> i see
[18:40] <Kiyoshiakira> I've opened as root
[18:42] <Kiyoshiakira> Changing each instance of zesty to yakkety
[18:43] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: i don' t see obs studio ppa in your sources list
[18:43] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: NO ! mixing release repositories is UN-Good .
[18:44] <Kiyoshiakira> I was just told to
[18:45] <Kiyoshiakira> Can I run a screen sharing program that someone can see and help?
[18:45] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: Then others here should have exclaimed before me .
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: Mixing releases realy messes up the installed system libraries ! The only fix in this case is a fresh clean install !
[18:46] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: ok first thing's first, undo the change of zesty -> yakkety on
[18:46] <krypto_> all instances you mentioned
[18:47] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: press Windows key and type "software". you should see "software and updates" item
[18:48] <djnd> use it to fix ppa paths, do not mess with sources.list manually
[18:49] <Kiyoshiakira> found it
[18:49] <Kiyoshiakira> I changed everything back
[18:50] <Kiyoshiakira> I found Other Software with what looks like the items mentioned checkmarked
[18:51] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you uncheck that cdrom one also?
[18:51] <djnd> look for failing ppas, click on edit and change Distribution field there
[18:51] <Kiyoshiakira> yes
[18:52] <krypto_> ok good - let's see the output of "sudo apt update | pastebinit" now
[18:54] <djnd> i don't  think you need the ffmpeg-next ppa as it is for trusty and utopic
[18:55] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402533/
[18:56] <djnd> good, it should work
[18:57] <ioria> it's still there
[19:00] <Kiyoshiakira> waiting for krypto
[19:00] <krypto_> yeah what the others said
[19:01] <Kiyoshiakira> So what should work now?
[19:01] <djnd> now install your studio
[19:01] <latino31> I reecently upgraded from ubuntu 16.10 to 17.04 ..i guess less than a week ago but with the upgrade my pc has froze twice..no major software program change since 16.10 other than a few upgrades with the ubuntu upgrade like weechat, hexchat, tor, apache2...someone on a ubuntu help page suggested this fix for ubuntu freezes http://anonypaste.com/fa1b48 ... the original link is this https://askubuntu.com/questions/761706/ubuntu-15-10-and-16-04-
[19:01] <latino31> keep-freezing-randomly  and said it worked for them and I was curious of your thoughts on this fix or why my pc maybe freezing...
[19:02] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: so after you uncheck the ffmpeg line, uncheck the kubuntu backports as well
[19:03] <Kiyoshiakira> ok
[19:03] <krypto_> is skype the only remaining error now?
[19:03] <Liubuntu> Hello everyone
[19:04] <Kiyoshiakira> Skype is installed and working
[19:04] <krypto_> latino31: when you say froze, were you able to hit, for example, ctrl+alt+F3 to login into another tty?
[19:04] <krypto_> ok so run the sudo apt update | pastebinit again. let's see what it looks like
[19:05] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: you can look for that public key with "Keys and passwords" applet: DF7587C3
[19:05] <djnd> then you can export it in a text file and import it from the "Authentication" tab in "Program sources"
[19:06] <Bashing-om> latino31: What is the graphic's card ? Maybe graihics related ??
[19:06] <latino31> kypto, i can try that but when i say freeze nothing on the pc moves and this latest freeze after the monitor went dim for being idle the monitor screen would not wake up...but i can try ctrl alt f3 if it happens again
[19:07] <latino31> but since it has happened twice ..something else is going on...should not need to press ctrl alt f3 to wake up the screen
[19:07] <krypto_> latino31: yeah let's wait til it happens again, freezes can be tough to pinpoint
[19:07] <latino31> i hear ya
[19:07] <krypto_> agree
[19:07] <latino31> i can try that
[19:07] <shadygoose> installed tor following the commands here https://www.linux.com/blog/beginners-guide-tor-ubuntu but I can't find it in my applications
[19:08] <djnd> shadygoose: tor is a console application
[19:08] <krypto_> latino31: should that happen again, and you're able to login in through the other tty, type "top" or "htop" if that's installed, and see if there's a process eating up CPU
[19:08] <shadygoose> djnd: how do i launch it?
[19:09] <djnd> shadygoose: open the terminal, type what is written in your instructions
[19:09] <krypto_> shadygoose: I personally use this alias: tor='(cd ~/opt/tor-browser && exec ./start-tor-browser.desktop)'
[19:09] <krypto_> depends on where you installed it though
[19:09] <latino31> interesting thaks but usually the light on the pc is light up when a process is running hard that causes a temp freeze and i did not see that
[19:09] <tonydanza> So while Ubuntu does it's swap -> gnome, any way to skip a step & get a stable version of it now?
[19:10] <tonydanza> That is, gnome+ubuntu that already exists? Or should I run kubuntu temporarily. Really need a distro with xorg (for nvidia support).
[19:11] <Kiyoshiakira> I'm hip I laugh at tonydanza lol hank hill
[19:13] <Bashing-om> tonydanza: gnome3 in 17.04 is solid as a rock on my AMD system .
[19:13] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402660/
[19:14] <shadygoose> tor='(cd ~/opt/tor-browser && exec ./start-tor-browser.desktop)' doesn't return anything and the instructions don't mention how I can run the program. should I download the tor package from their website?
[19:14] <tonydanza> @Bashing-om Roger that! I'll try that. :D
[19:14] <krypto_> shadygoose: that's an alias i made for myself
[19:15] <krypto_> where did you unzip the download to?
[19:15] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: nice, we're almost there. Let's fix that skype error, follow the instructions here: https://repo.skype.com/
[19:15] <Liubuntu> could anyone help me with a iptables configuration please?
[19:16] <shadygoose> krypto: I got the package from their website and can run it as an executable but why did I follow all the steps in the previous link i posted?
[19:17] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way. An alternative, more simper way to install tor is to download the source .tar.gz file from their website, untar it, cd into that directory, and ./start-tor-browser
[19:18] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way. An alternative, more simper way to install tor is to download the source .tar.gz file from their website, untar it, cd into that directory, and ./start-tor-browser
[19:18] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way
[19:18] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way
[19:18] <tgm4883> ok you can stop that now
[19:18] <krypto_> very sorry about that
[19:19] <djnd_> tor is in repos by the way
[19:19] <shadygoose> krypto: when I got it from the PPA, the download size was around 8mb and I couldn't run it cos I couldn't find the file. why's that?
[19:20] <krypto_> how'd you try to run it?
[19:20] <shadygoose> krypto: I entered 'tor' in the console cos I couldn't find a shortcut in the applications dashboard
[19:21] <shadygoose> let me post a pic from the terminal
[19:21] <krypto_> it could be something like tor-browser, not sure
[19:22] <krypto_> i had compiled from source personally on that one
[19:22] <pvl1> start_tor_browser
[19:22] <krypto_> ty
[19:22] <Kiyoshiakira> be back after a bit gonna turn off power
[19:23] <shadygoose> https://unsee.cc/diranopu/
[19:23] <agostino> hallo
[19:25] <krypto_> hmm looks like it's already running, try ps aux | grep 'tor' to verify
[19:28] <djnd_> tor is a service
[19:28] <shadygoose> https://unsee.cc/pudenita/
[19:29] <shadygoose> it is running but how do I get to the browser? :p
[19:29] <derstrom> I’m planning to dual boot my iMac with OS X and Ubuntu 17.04, but no matter what I try, whenever I attempt to boot into the LiveCD I am greeted by a black screen. I have tried adding nomodeset parameter in the boot options but this doesn’t make a difference. I’m pretty short on ideas to what the cause is at this point :-(
[19:30] <derstrom> I’ve tried booting into a pen drive too, with the same outcome.
[19:30] <krypto_> shadygoose: yeah, im not sure, i run it in --detach mode
[19:30] <sebsebseb> !mac
[19:30] <krypto_> shadygoose: you can try killing that daemon process, looks like 15681? second from bottom
[19:31] <shadygoose> ok
[19:32] <derstrom> sebsebseb: That doesn’t help. All documentation on the Ubuntu wiki points to booting into the LiveCD with nomodeset, which is not working for me.
[19:33] <djnd_> that help page is from 2015
[19:35] <derstrom> djnd_: Nothing on the wiki helps. I would not resort to IRC if it did.
[19:36] <shadygoose> krypto: killed it. started it again and it's stuck at this https://unsee.cc/zutidose/
[19:47] <zxyz> Hello people
[19:47] <zxyz> Has anyone ever tried putting in i3-gaps in Ubuntu?
[19:49] <Kiyoshiakira> Hello
[19:49] <zxyz> Hi
[19:50] <Kiyoshiakira> Anyone have a debian based package for OBS
[19:51] <JustTheDoctor> how do i fix "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[19:52] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: identify your held packages with broken dependencies.
[19:52] <krypto_> shadygoose: sorry was having lunch. kill that process (ctrl+c) and try "start_tor_browser"
[19:52] <JustTheDoctor> 1 moment please
[19:52] <lrojas> hi all, i have an issue when running pip from a venv ( python3 -m venv myenv && source myenv/bin/activate && pip list --outdated )
[19:52] <lrojas> this is on ubuntu 17.04
[19:52] <lrojas> i noticed there is a python3.6 package but the default python3 is still 3.5
[19:53] <lrojas> i wonder if the setup-tools that get installed with venv are buggy
[19:53] <JustTheDoctor> tomreyn: will this http://<IP_ADDRESS>/broke.log help you help me?
[19:53] <krypto_> lrojas what's the error you get?
[19:53] <lrojas> because this happens only
[19:53] <lrojas> krypto_: give a sec, let me pastebin it
[19:53] <shadygoose> krypto: command not found. I think I'll just use the downloaded tor browser bundle :p
[19:54] <krypto_> shadygoose: wow, yeah. im glad i went straight to source for this one
[19:54] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: show the output of: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache policy; sudo apt-get -f install
[19:54] <zxyz> I want a bit of help, I tried downloading Qt5-webengine on Xubuntu, and whenever I do "qutebrowser --backend webengine", it throws me an error that it does not exist
[19:54] <krypto_> honestly, download the .tar.gz file, tar xvf, cd into the directory, and use that alias i gave
[19:54] <zxyz> What's the PyQt5 edition of Webengine in Ubuntu
[19:54] <JustTheDoctor> tomreyn: one moment please
[19:55] <shadygoose> krypto: ok. thanks mate.
[19:56] <krypto_> shadygoose: np, let me now if it doesn't work
[19:56] <krypto_> *know
[19:56] <selsper> trying to watch twitch on firefox, but the sound is awful
[19:57] <JustTheDoctor> tomreyn: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[19:57] <selsper> how do i check what audio drivers i need
[19:57] <Kiyoshiakira> Ugh
[19:57] <JustTheDoctor> update.log policy.log get.log
[19:57] <Kiyoshiakira> Nothing works
[19:57] <lrojas> krypto_: http://paste2.org/2v9HcmfB
[19:57] <Bashing-om> !info Qt5-webengine yakkety
[19:57] <Dmole> Anyone know of any glaring omissions on this page?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host-based_intrusion_detection_system_comparison
[19:57] <krypto_> lrojas: what happened you try "pip3 list --outdated"
[19:57] <krypto_> *happens
[19:58] <Bashing-om> zxyz: ^^ ppa ? As it seems not a ubuntu package .
[19:59] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: also teach your web server that .log files are of mime type text/plain
[19:59] <JustTheDoctor> i dont plan on doing this offten
[19:59] <lrojas> krypto_: same error, which makes sense since pip3 is pip inside a venv created with python3 -m venv myenv
[19:59] <JustTheDoctor> its just easer to command > title.log it then pastebin it
[19:59] <krypto_> i see
[19:59] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402863/
[20:00] <Kiyoshiakira> That's what I'm using as the instructions from OBS to install it
[20:01] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: don't run that, try the PPA
[20:01] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you try this one yet? https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio
[20:01] <krypto_> looks like it has zesty support
[20:01] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: the first paste you provided was the result of which command? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/broke.log
[20:01] <Kiyoshiakira> yEAH
[20:01] <Kiyoshiakira> oop
[20:01] <lrojas> krypto_: also, notice that in my other venv it works without problems. the diference being that it was created before upgrading to 17.04
[20:02] <krypto_> lrojas, yeah that's gotta be it
[20:02] <JustTheDoctor> apt-get install autoconf libboost-all-dev libssl-dev libprotobuf-dev protobuf-compiler libqt4-dev libqrencode-dev libtool
[20:03] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: also, would you mind running 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[20:03] <lrojas> krypto_: any idea how to fix? or what could be broken?
[20:03] <tomreyn> since you have pending upgrades
[20:03] <JustTheDoctor> it has some work to do so please stand by
[20:03] <tomreyn> "11 not upgraded"
[20:03] <krypto_> lrojas: try "virtualenv --system-site-packages ~/venvz/naws-new"
[20:04] <krypto_> how'd that z get there, should be ~/venvs sorry
[20:04] <scootergrisen> Are there a better way to see what have been translated then whats on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+lang/da?batch=300 ?
[20:04] <krypto_> then "source ~/venvs/naws-new/bin/activate"
[20:04] <mac_nibblet> After upgrading to 17.04 the OS keeps crashing and the / partition goes into read-only mode
[20:05] <mac_nibblet> no idea what triggers it, and once it happens I cannot run any commands
[20:06] <lrojas> krypto_: virtualenv is for python2.7 python3 -m venv is a different package that works with python3 ...  that would not work as it would create a python2.7 env
[20:06] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok I successfully did that part
[20:06] <Kiyoshiakira> So how do I install it now
[20:06] <Kiyoshiakira> Where do I look for the package?
[20:07] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Have you run a manual file system check ? and is the install to a SSD ?
[20:08] <krypto_> lrojas, gotcha
[20:08] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you try sudo apt install obs-studio
[20:09] <shadygoose> krypto: works! thanks again.
[20:09] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: sure, if the issue persists after that (try installing those packages again), tell me whether "apt-mark showhold; dpkg -l | grep ^h" produces any output
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, yeah I ran the LiveUSB and ran fsck on the drive, no errors
[20:09] <krypto_> shadygoose awesome! np
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> And yes it's an SSD
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> Non-Volatile memory controller: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd NVMe SSD Controller SM951/PM951 (rev 01)
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> To be more specific
[20:10] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Then in my experience .. is AHCI enabled in bios ?
[20:10] <mac_nibblet> Should be, I have not touched the bios in 7 months
[20:10] <Kiyoshiakira> WOOO
[20:10] <Kiyoshiakira> Finally it's there
[20:10] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, Want me to check ?
[20:11] <Kiyoshiakira> Thanks for the help
[20:11] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: nice :) anytime
[20:12] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Yeah . I tell ya thge truth . I like to have never have found how to enable AHCI in my bios when I installed a SSD . Must be AHCI enabled !
[20:12] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, but I ran 16.10 for 7 months without any problems :S
[20:12] <krypto_> lrojas: was searching around, have you tried: pip3 install --force pip
[20:12] <mac_nibblet> oh well, ill go check, back in a few min
[20:13] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Cheap insurance to verify .
[20:16] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: strange that he goes to check now, since we had the same conversation last night and he said it was enabled.
[20:17] <tomreyn> i asked about the AHCI vs RAID settion then
[20:17] <Kiyoshiakira> I'm gonna stay on this channel in case I run into any issues
[20:18] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Some people's children !- Then again - who can know the truth ? -
[20:18] <tomreyn> *setting
[20:18] <tomreyn> only the black box vendor knows the truth, and only sometimes.
[20:19] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, AHCI is enabled
[20:19] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: I installed a SSD about 2 months ago . Has drove me nuts trying to get it to work seamlessly on this old hard ware . I finally found a reference to enable raid on my main board to engage AHCI !
[20:20] <mac_nibblet> Hmfp
[20:21] <mac_nibblet> not idea what to test now :/
[20:21] <Guest63533> hi
[20:21] <mac_nibblet> And I cannot acquire a new laptop for at least another three weeks
[20:21] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Then next is to monitor the logs .. see if you can spot an anommaly - I like ' journalcrl -f ' to "watch" .
[20:22] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, as soon as the "error" occurs the terminal dies, and I cannot use any of the TTY
[20:22] <mac_nibblet> Read Input/Output error is all i get when i try and run commands
[20:23] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: I too experience a similar issue - what is the graphic's chip ? In my case intalling the proprietary driver maybe my solution .
[20:25] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: But in my case the system dies with no warnings or errors reported . Just "dead Jim" !
[20:27] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, I lose my internet connection, all icons disaper and every app says read only errors
[20:28] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, I'm running the latest nvidia drivers 378
[20:28] <cambazz> hello, when i am trying to apt-get update I am getting errors like W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-arm64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[20:28] <cambazz> anyone know what happened to binary-arm64 packages
[20:29] <k1l_> cambazz: arm64? you use an arm board?
[20:29] <cambazz> k1l_ : i have a nvidia jetson tx2, this is the host computer that I installed tools, crosscompiled and uploaded to the nvidia board.
[20:30] <cambazz> but now my host computer has lost ability to apt-get update
[20:30] <k1l_> cambazz: i dont see any arm files in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/
[20:30] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Sorry, all I can suggest at this point is "watch" the logs .
[20:30] <mac_nibblet> :D
[20:30] <cambazz> k1l_ : yes there are not.
[20:31] <mac_nibblet> tail -f /var/log/*.log
[20:31] <mac_nibblet> yolo
[20:31] <tomreyn> cambazz: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ is where arm64 is available
[20:32] <k1l_> cambazz: i wonder, did that work before? i am sure the arm packages are at the ports.ubuntu.com repos. did you change them?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Is this a desktop box ? What I did find to help with ATA errors on my system was seperate the SSD from the spinners on differing SATA controllers .
[20:32] <cambazz> tomreyn: and how can i set that up as default mirror_
[20:32] <cambazz> k1l_: yes i just run the nvidia tools and it worked before,
[20:32] <tomreyn> cambazz: so yu'd need to edit your sources.list to point to the right server. but it's weird that you're finding this out about a running system.
[20:33] <Dr-007> what should i set up? vmware or a virtualbox? and why?
[20:33] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Try them both. See which you like.
[20:33] <nacc> Dr-007: do you need virtualization?
[20:33] <tomreyn> cambazz: are you really sure that you're on an arm64 architecture system?
[20:33] <tomreyn> not amd64 or something?
[20:33] <k1l_> Dr-007: start with virtualbox. if you know why you would need vmware, then you can use it
[20:34] <lrojas> krypto_: havent tried that
[20:34] <cambazz> tomreyn: i am on an x86_64 system. I have nvidia jetson tx2, which is an arm computer, i installed the nvidia tools on my host (x86) computer, flashed the nvidia computers disk after compiling, and now my x86 is broken giving that arm errors.
[20:35] <lrojas> krypto_: let me see if that works
[20:35] <Kobaz> any tips and tricks for getting wireless working?
[20:35] <Kobaz> every device here can connect, except the ubuntu laptop.  it says 'configuring interface' and then goes back to disconnected
[20:36] <nacc> Kobaz: are you using network-manager?
[20:36] <Kobaz> yeah, network manager is running
[20:36] <nacc> Kobaz: you might try using nmcli and see if it gives you more output
[20:36] <lrojas> krypto_: no dice, says is already "satisfied" by package inside venv
[20:36] <nacc> Kobaz: syslog and/or dmesg might also have some information as to why it disconnect
[20:36] <tomreyn> cambazz: looks like you followed some bad how-to. would you like to link to it, or list the commands you ran and modifications you made?
[20:37] <Kobaz> mmm
[20:37] <Kobaz> nacc: authentication timed out
[20:37] <Kobaz> yeah i was wondering where the logging goes
[20:37] <nacc> Kobaz: ah, interesting
[20:37] <nacc> Kobaz: i think n-m logs to syslog by default
[20:38] <Kobaz> password is correct.... all other devices can connect just fine
[20:38] <nacc> Kobaz: other devices also using ubuntu?
[20:38] <Kobaz> i may copy over my wpa_supplicant setup from my debian system and see if that connects
[20:38] <Kobaz> nacc: nope
[20:39] <Kobaz> windows, andriod, chromecast, etc
[20:39] <nacc> Kobaz: ok, i think there are ways to get nm to be even more verbose, or like i suggested earlier, you coudl try nmcli and maybe you'd see why it's failing
[20:39] <krypto_> lrojas: what about upgrade instead of install?
[20:39] <nacc> Kobaz: you're not using any esoteric auth, are you?
[20:39] <Kobaz> nacc: nope
[20:40] <nacc> Kobaz: ok -- yeah, i'm not a n-m expert, so i'm not sure how best to debug
[20:40] <nacc> Kobaz: i'm guessing, though, the 'timeout' is a red herring and the auth is actually failing
[20:41] <lrojas> krypto_: same deal
[20:42] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, i've tried them both once. vmware is pretty commercial i member
[20:42] <Dr-007> and virtualbox is made by cisco i believe
[20:42] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: VirtualBox is provided by Oracle these days.
[20:43] <nacc> Dr-007: you don't need either to use virtualization, either
[20:43] <bekks> Since ages. :)
[20:43] <Dr-007> nacc, my server broke. so as a temporarily solution (tomorrow work starts again) so yes. tomorrow i need virtualization to continue
[20:43] <Dr-007> k1l_, i think i'll do that (start with virtal box)
[20:43] <lrojas> whata  cluster#$%#$
[20:43] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, ah yes. oracle
[20:47] <Kobaz> nacc: generally i hate to troubleshoot this way... but rebooting fixed the problem
[20:47] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Someone mentioned LXD (https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd) to me as well the other day. I think it's supposed to be a more lightweight solution with virtualization and everything. Haven't really dived in yet.
[20:48] <pleb101> having a pretty miserable time trying to install these NVidia drivers, I need some help in killing "X", when I do lightdm stop my whole screen just goes black and I don't have a terminal to keep doing things with
[20:48] <Dr-007> ChaiTrex, sounds a little like docker
[20:49] <Dr-007> https://www.docker.com/
[20:49] <Dr-007> lets have a looksy at linuxcontainers
[20:49] <Bashing-om> pleb101: installing from OEM is a means of last resort . What is the problem with the repo driver ?
[20:50] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Yeah, I think it is.
[20:50] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, yeah LXD is a container "hypervisor"
[20:50] <pleb101> Bashing-om: I just did a fresh install of ubuntu 17, my resolution is 640x480 and I can barely see anything cause half the windows are like 50% hidden because the res is so small
[20:51] <pleb101> I got a new GTX 1080 TI to do this install and help with my deep leanring classes, so figured I'd need the newest drivers
[20:51] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, which is nice. but i am left with my windows desktop. so i need to run ubuntu inside vmware or virtualbox. but on my broken server i installed docker and some stuff in it. my home automatisation software
[20:52] <user2__> ibo
[20:52] <thrmo> how can i update 14.10 to 17.04
[20:52] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Are you where you can run ' sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall " where there will be no interference from a former botched install attempt .
[20:52] <tgm4883> thrmo: either fresh install, or 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04
[20:52] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-375
[20:52] <tgm4883> thrmo: personally, I'd do a fresh install
[20:52] <pleb101> Bashing-om: yup only tried to run the .run file from nvidia site and it said it couldnt cause X was active
[20:53] <pleb101> let me try that now
[20:53] <Dr-007> thrmo, apt-get upddate && apt-get distupgrade
[20:53] <Dr-007> i believe
[20:53] <Dr-007> with one d
[20:53] <tgm4883> Dr-007: that won't upgrade to a new release
[20:53] <Dr-007> distupgrade no?
[20:53] <pleb101> Bashing-om: it said "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
[20:53] <tgm4883> Dr-007: no
[20:54] <Dr-007> then what is the right commando..?
[20:54] <tgm4883> Dr-007: well, if he wasn't on an unsupported version, it would be 'update-manager'
[20:54] <tgm4883> and then do it from there
[20:54] <tgm4883> !eol | thrmo
[20:54] <Dr-007> ok
[20:54] <Bashing-om> pleb101: That is a "upgrade' result .. what about ' sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' ?
[20:54] <tgm4883> he'll need to follow those instructions ^
[20:55] <tgm4883> but really, 14.10 -> 17.04 is going to take a lot longer than a reinstall
[20:55] <pleb101> Bashing-om: that's the result of me doing "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[20:55] <k1l_> Dr-007: ubuntu doesnt use apt to upgrade to a new ubuntu release
[20:56] <ChaiTRex> thrmo: If you don't want to upgrade every six months or so (which 17.04 requires), choose 16.04 instead (upgrades only every four years or so). That said, see the highlighted option in the first image on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation (note the "will be kept" verbiage). Use that option with a 17.04 or 16.04 installer.
[20:56] <pleb101> it did read package lists... Done, building depdendency tree, reading state information... Done, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:56] <pleb101> I'd screenshot but it's on my new computer not this one
[20:56] <k1l_> thrmo: you better make a clean 17.04 install. it will take you way to long to do all the upgrades
[20:56] <k1l_> thrmo: and if you dont like upgrading every 6 months, then better stay on LTS releases like 16.04
[20:56] <thrmo> thanks a lot guys!
[20:57] <thrmo> very helpful!
[20:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-378
[20:58] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Next then, we have the 378 driver in our trusted PPA . want to go that route ? http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/115031/en-us .
[20:59] <Dr-007> k1l_, i've upgraded many times via command line. i thought it was apt distupgrade
[20:59] <Dr-007> but perhabs its another commando
[20:59] <k1l_> Dr-007: its not apt. its "do-release-upgrade"
[20:59] <pleb101> Bashing-om: yea that's what I've done (downloaded that), however it tells me I have to kill X (by typing lightdm stop), and when I do that my entire screen goes black, so I can't continue with the install process at all
[20:59] <Dr-007> but tmg4883, knew it was an autdated unsupported ubuntu the guy is using
[20:59] <Dr-007> ah
[21:00] <Dr-007> thats it, indeed
[21:00] <Dr-007> do-release-upgrade
[21:00] <Dr-007> i'm mistaken
[21:00] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Never seen such from the PPA install . killing X is a driver install from nVida as source on my experience .
[21:01] <pleb101> Bashing-om: sorry not sure what you mean by that
[21:03] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Sorry, I am trying to determine what you have done - that maybe we have to undo to install the driver from our ubuntu sources . As 378 is reommended we get that driver from our PPA if you want to go this route .
[21:04] <pleb101> Bashing-om: I literally have done nothing, I have a fresh install, downloaded that .run file
[21:04] <pleb101> and have done nothing else
[21:04] <pleb101> except try the command "lightdm stop"
[21:04] <pleb101> which made my screen go black so I couldnt continue
[21:04] <pleb101> andbrought me here
[21:08] <Bashing-om> pleb101: K; be right back .
[21:08] <pleb101> Bashing-om: ok thanks
[21:09] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Whike I attend to other matters . what returns - sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ; dpkg -l | grep nvidia* - . Be back soonest .
[21:11] <pleb101> Bashing-om: it shows the file I downloaded, but then says "find: '/run/user/1000/gvfs': Permission Denied"
[21:15] <Bashing-om> pleb101: And no return at all from dpkg command ?
[21:16] <pleb101> Bashing-om: no output, just tried it again without the find
[21:16] <pleb101> to make sure
[21:18] <thrmo> where can i find 17.04 minimal iso?
[21:18] <thrmo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:18] <thrmo> i thought it should be here
[21:18] <Bashing-om> pleb101: To install the 378 driver do ' sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-378 ; sudo reboot ' . One command at the time .
[21:19] <Bashing-om> !minimal
[21:19] <ztane> sigh, systemd-resolved / dnsmasq just stuck... 100 % cpu usage... not the first time. Anyone else had that happen?
[21:19] <ztane> can't do anything before I somehow manage to sudo-edit the /etc/resolv.conf and put the google nameservers there...
[21:19] <thrmo> yeah but there's no link to 17.04 minimal iso in that page Bashing-om
[21:19] <pleb101> Bashing-om: first one says "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~graphics-drivers/ubuntu/ppa'.", "ERROR: '~graphics-drivers' user or team does not exist"
[21:20] <pleb101> this was for the command "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa"
[21:20] <ztane> I guess this setup is wrong somehow
[21:20] <ztane> however I didn't do anything on purpose
[21:21] <jamesd> ztane: https://askubuntu.com/questions/143819/how-do-i-configure-my-static-dns-in-interfaces    you need the dns-nameserver lines so that  the /etc/resolv.conf get the correct details
[21:21] <Dr-007> hehe.. this is funny
[21:21] <Bashing-om> thrmo: See: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads .
[21:21]  * Dr-007 makes print screen
[21:22] <ztane> jamesd: I don't have static DNS. this is a laptop.
[21:22] <thrmo> ty Bashing-om
[21:22] <maddawg2> what does having a laptop have to do with a static DNS?
[21:23] <jamesd> ztane: you can put google dns in it if you like, its the only way to update /etc/resolv.conf so that it lasts.
[21:23] <ztane> hmm. I actually did have the google dns in the resolv.conf.
[21:23] <ztane> the problem is that the <IP_ADDRESS> resolver gets stuck
[21:24] <jamesd> some thing in the ubuntu networking...  gets over writes it.
[21:25] <Dr-007> http://dumpt.com/img/files/2xxjyuupq9c3niog2eop.png
[21:25] <Dr-007> ^ error message i get in the installer
[21:25] <ztane> I absolutely *must* use the ones provided by dhcp or otherwise I cannot do anything at some offices...
[21:26] <ztane> normally the resolv.conf would have just nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and that would go to systemd-resolved I guess... but sometimes that just gets stuck... and the only way to use the computer without rebooting is to remove the <IP_ADDRESS> entry and put in the google dns servers...
[21:26] <Bashing-om> [;eNeats me ! what results with " https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ' in your browser window ? I see no problems here with the PPA .
[21:26] <ztane> but it means that I cannot resolve any local names any more
[21:27] <Bashing-om> pleb101: ^^
[21:27] <Dr-007> ztane, install dnsmasq or bind9
[21:27] <Dr-007> then make it resolve automatically to <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:27] <Dr-007> which i think now is overwritten
[21:28] <Dr-007> the file /etc/resolv.conf notes this on top
[21:28] <Dr-007> (i believe) that you shouldnt edit it, because it gets overwritten
[21:28] <tgm4883> Dr-007: if he does that, then he wouldn't be able to resolve local addresses
[21:29] <Dr-007> tgm4883, yes he can, resolv.conf must refer to 127.0.01 then
[21:29] <Dr-007> so dns requests goto bind9
[21:29] <Dr-007> or dnsmasq
[21:29] <Dr-007> that will cache dns requests on his pc to make webbrowsing faster
[21:30] <Dr-007> and he can still reach localhost
[21:30] <tgm4883> Dr-007: so he should replace dnsmasq with dnsmasq and all his problems are fixed?
[21:30] <Dr-007> you can even set up a top domain in your network so you get awesome domains like. i.am.awesome
[21:30] <Dr-007> i am saying that if it isnt installed he should install it
[21:31] <tgm4883> Dr-007: nm uses dnsmasq. My understanding of his issue is that dnsmasq is hanging (meaning he can't resolve any addresses at that point).
[21:31] <tgm4883> But I may have missed some backlog
[21:32] <Dr-007> oh, maybe you;re right. i read this <ztane> normally the resolv.conf would have just nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and that would go to systemd-resolved I guess...
[21:34] <Tachyon_> any advice about choosing an irc server ? it's just for testing
[21:34] <Tachyon_> irc server software
[21:35] <Dr-007> just install icq
[21:35] <Dr-007> or msn ;)
[21:35] <Dr-007> i've installed a server once a long time ago
[21:35] <Dr-007> also tried to replicate it in visual basic
[21:36] <jk0ne> Tachyon_: I recently had to set up ngircd, and it was pretty easy and straightforward
[21:36] <Tachyon_> okay let me see
[21:37] <Dr-007> but i cant remember the name. i see jk0ne already probided one
[21:37] <Dr-007> what are you going to do, if i may ask?
[21:37] <Tachyon_> me ?
[21:38] <Dr-007> yeah
[21:38] <Dr-007> just curious
[21:38] <Tachyon_> I want to make a simple irc bot
[21:38] <pleb101> Bashing-om: finally got it (phew), had to be in a boot without X by doing ctrl+alt+F1 from the login screen, and then your commands worked
[21:39] <Tachyon_> and I need a place to test it
[21:39] <Dr-007> Tachyon_, nice. thats how i started too. creating a socket in visual basic. make it connect to retrieve text. split up the text and go on and on untill i could join a channel and type stuff
[21:39] <Dr-007> i see
[21:40] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Good deal ! complete the sequence, and see what ya got when rebooted :)
[21:40] <Tachyon_> Dr-007: actually, I'm pretty lazy, I'll just use a library for all the IRC protocol. the only thing I'll do is parsing mesages and respond to commands
[21:40] <pleb101> Bashing-om: yea looks good full resolution now, everything looks great. thanks for the help going to finally eat some lunch and get back to setting up
[21:41] <Bashing-om> pleb101: :) // have fun - we are here when ya have a need .
[21:45] <Dr-007> Tachyon_, thats half the fun! the protocol is so easy
[21:45] <Dr-007> like when i need to join this channel i type /join #channel in irc
[21:45] <Dr-007> thats what you send to the server
[21:45] <Dr-007> but i get it, why re-invent the wheel
[21:46] <Dr-007> and if you want to do it quick
[21:52] <Epx998> How can I load the megaraid driver for a network install?
[21:54] <thrmo> kico tell us all about it
[21:55] <kico> hi!
[21:55] <kico> I'm trying to config a VPS
[21:55] <kico> it comes with ubuntu 16.04
[21:55] <kico> but with 2.6 kernel
[21:56] <kico> how can I upgrade it using apt ?
[21:56] <kico> I've tried downloading the .debs for the 4.4.14.xenial but it doesn't work
[21:57] <kico> thanks in advance
[21:57] <nacc> kico: 2.6!? probably your vps is using some custom kernel and you're unable to change it
[21:57] <nacc> kico: also, it's not '16.04' if running 2.6
[21:57] <nacc> kico: even if the vps provider says it is :)
[21:58] <tgm4883> geez
[21:58] <kico> # lsb_release -a
[21:58] <kico> No LSB modules are available.
[21:58] <kico> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[21:58] <kico> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[21:58] <kico> Release:        16.04
[21:58] <kico> Codename:       xenial
[21:58] <tgm4883> kico: what VPS?
[21:58] <tgm4883> kico: well, when you're no longer quieted, what VPS
[21:58] <thrmo> i can relay you kico
[21:58] <thrmo> pm me
[21:59] <nacc> kico: yes, i understand that your system reports 16.04. Unfortunately your vps is making a very bad choice and lying about what is actually running :(
[21:59] <tgm4883> thrmo: or.... he can just wait a minute or 2
[21:59] <nacc> kico: in that they are not usingthe 16.04 kernel
[21:59] <nacc> kico: i would complain to your vps provider and find a better one
[21:59] <kico> sorry about that!
[21:59] <tgm4883> kico: let us know what VPS that is
[21:59] <tgm4883> I'd like to steer people away from it
[21:59] <kico> nacc, thanks!
[21:59]  * nacc wonders if it might be a container VPS, but not sure
[22:00] <kico> nacc, yes I think it is
[22:00] <tgm4883> oh
[22:00] <kico> ptisp.pt
[22:00] <ChaiTRex> kico: What is `uname -a`?
[22:00] <nacc> kico: if it's a container VPS then changing the kernel makes no sense
[22:00] <nacc> kico: containers don't have their own kernel
[22:01] <kico> # uname -a
[22:01] <kico> Linux pool 2.6.32-042stab120.6 #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:59:03 MSK 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:01] <hfp> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 and the latest kernel is causing me crashes. I booted with the previous kernel version and it's fine. How can I make this permanent without entering grub and selecting the kernel everytime?
[22:02] <k1l_> kico: on some VPS you cant upgrade the kernel. ask the hoster about that
[22:03] <kico> ok thanks a lot for you help nacc k1l_ tgm4883
[22:03] <nacc> kico: yw
[22:05] <rizonz> I'm still wodering why my upstart files for my nics are not found
[22:05] <andywww> i would like to set up a raid array for NAS in a home server that has 4 HDD bays. I currently have 2 disks set up as raid1 and one of this disks has failed. If my first priority was maximising disk space, my second was the ability to 'rescue' data in the event of another failure and my third (but less important) was read speed, what would be the best arrangement and would it be possible to add extra disks and use the current disk (mounted as a single volume) in
[22:05] <andywww> array whilst preserving the data on it?
[22:05] <nacc> rizonz: 14.04?
[22:06] <Bashing-om> hfp: Edit /etc/default/grub line " GRUB_DEFAULT=0 " to the desired entry nbr from the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file's menu entires .
[22:06] <Bashing-om> !grub | hfp
[22:06] <nacc> hfp: and also file a bug :)
[22:06] <ChaiTRex> andywww: The first priority conflicts with the second, so you can't get the second.
[22:07] <azizLIGHT> what kernel is ubuntu 16.04 default on
[22:07] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[22:07] <nacc> azizLIGHT: 4.4 for 16.04.1, 4.8 for 16.04.2
[22:07] <azizLIGHT> are there others available for 16.04
[22:07] <k1l_> 4.4, but if you isntall the 16.04.2 image you get the 4.8 kernel
[22:07] <nacc> (for the hwe kernels, that is)
[22:07] <andywww> yeah i get that i need to sacrafice some space for the ability to preserve, i’m just trying to work out which is the most efficient way of going about it
[22:08] <nacc> azizLIGHT: no, 4.4 and 4.8 are it
[22:08] <azizLIGHT> is it possible to get other kernels? if so, how
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> s/other kernels/newer kernels/
[22:09] <nacc> azizLIGHT: why? other kernels are not supported
[22:09] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: what is the idea behind that question? is there an issue?
[22:09] <hfp> Yeah 14.04, I've been delaying the upgrading process because I don't want the machine to break and reinstall...
[22:09] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: You can install linux-generic-hwe-16.04 and remove linux-generic.
[22:09] <nacc> anything is 'possible', of course -- you can build your own kernel, if you want
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> im looking at a bluetooth adapter on amazon and it says it needs kernel 4.9+
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> for linux support
[22:10] <nacc> azizLIGHT: you could run 17.04 then, or wait until 16.04.3
[22:10] <azizLIGHT> what kernel version will be in 16.04.3? and when will it release?
[22:10] <nacc> azizLIGHT: around august, 4.10 based
[22:10] <azizLIGHT> hmmm, i think ill wait for that
[22:11] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: it will have the 17.04 backports kernel then. 3 months after the 17.04 release
[22:11] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: If you install the linux-generic-hwe-16.04 package, you get 4.10 with 16.04.3. If not, 4.4.
[22:11] <Bashing-om> hfp: 14.04 is supported til 2019. no hurry to upgrade .
[22:11] <nacc> ChaiTRex: good point; azizLIGHT once you're on the hwe kernel for 16.04, it will rolling upgrade to the next when it comes out (unlike the way 14.04 worked)
[22:12] <azizLIGHT> ChaiTRex: oh really? i think that way i can install 16.04 now and just do the hwe stack upgrade right away and get it now
[22:12] <nacc> azizLIGHT: not get it now, but when it's available, you will get it
[22:12] <azizLIGHT> nacc: any more info online about how that works? im quite interested
[22:12] <nacc> azizLIGHT: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:12] <nacc> and specifically for the policy change https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[22:12] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: Right now, you'll only get 4.8, but it'll upgrade to 4.10 all nicely when 16.04.3 comes.
[22:13] <Ntemis> guys my laptop cant restart it freezes only shutdown works ok
[22:13] <Ntemis> bios issue?
[22:13] <azizLIGHT> so getting 16.04.2 now gets me 4.8, but doing hwe stack at this point will not get me a newer kernel? am i understanding that right
[22:13] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: yes
[22:13] <nacc> azizLIGHT: correct, you're just 'opting in' to the hwe stack
[22:14] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: the 16.04.2 install does have the HWE enabled already
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> so why opt into hwe, when you can just automatically get 16.04.3, they both have the same time frame right
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> for the newer kernel to drop
[22:14] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: 16.04.3 without HWE will still be 4.4.
[22:14] <nacc> azizLIGHT: "automatically get 16.04.3" what does that mean?
[22:14] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: dont confuse HWE with the pointreleases.
[22:15] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: They've changed how things work.
[22:15] <nacc> azizLIGHT: for instance, you can be running 16.04.3 with the 16.04.1 kernel (4.4 based)
[22:15] <nacc> azizLIGHT: (in the future, that is)
[22:15] <azizLIGHT> hmm
[22:15] <nacc> azizLIGHT: in that sentence, 16.04.3 is the 'release' you are on, while 16.04.1 is the kernel family you are running
[22:16] <azizLIGHT> i see
[22:16] <nacc> azizLIGHT: so for 16.04, you should always be on the latest (via `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade`) which is 16.04.2 now, and eventually 16.04.3 -- but from the package perspective, they aren't distinct, they are just xenial
[22:16] <Dr-007> guys, my server broke. i am now installing ubuntu in virtualbox as a temporarily solution. when i have my server fixed (i'm going to upgrade the hardware aswell) then can i ctrl+c the ubuntu from my virtualbox and ctrl+v it NOT inside a virtualbox but directly on the PC?
[22:17] <Ntemis> on my laptop when try to restart it freezes. shutdown works ok
[22:17] <nacc> azizLIGHT: the kernel and X are different, they have 'hwe' stacks that correspond to the points in time when the dotrelease come out and represent backports from the development releases of kernel and X
[22:17] <Dr-007> with windows i know you can make an install disk with all your current progarms and stuff.
[22:17] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Not really. It'll have VirtualBox drivers and so on set up.
[22:17] <Dr-007> thats not ideal
[22:18] <Dr-007> oh yeah it doesnt matter anyhow duh
[22:18] <Dr-007> i've got some stuff i need to compile
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> nacc: so lets say i do install 16.04 (and do apt full-upgrade), and eventually get to 16.04.3 when it releases, then ill have to opt into hwe to go from 4.4 to 4.8 (on 16.04.2 release) or 4.10 (on 16.04.3 release)
[22:18] <Dr-007> which needs to be recompiled for that processor anyways
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> did i understand correct?
[22:18] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: yes.
[22:18] <nacc> azizLIGHT: if you  install 16.04 (right now you'd get a 16.04.2 iso by default, iirc) -- so you'll already be opted in to the 4.8 kernel
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> got it
[22:19] <nacc> azizLIGHT: if you're on 16.04.3, you can't opt in to the 4.8 kernel
[22:19] <nacc> azizLIGHT: it will no longer exist
[22:19] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: its only enabled when you install the 16.04.2 iso. but not when you just run the updates
[22:19] <azizLIGHT> ah right
[22:19] <nacc> azizLIGHT: well, it will exist, but become unsupported (and the metapackage will 'roll' you to 4.10)
[22:19] <Ntemis> am on 4.4.072
[22:20] <azizLIGHT> so i dont see 16.04 being offered on the site for download anyway, i see 16.04.2
[22:20] <nacc> azizLIGHT: that's what they changed with 16.04 compared to 14.04 -- with 14.04, the hwe stacks between 14.04.1 and 14.04.5 were supported until 14.04.5 came out and then all went eol. With 16.04, there are just always two stacks, the base version (4.4) and whatever is currently the hwe version
[22:20] <nacc> azizLIGHT: yeah, as i mentioned
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: you probably can find a 16.04.1 iso by browsing around
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: or install 16.04.2 and install the non-hwe packages and remove the hwe packages
[22:21] <azizLIGHT> oh. people do that ?
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: that's the only difference between 16.04.1 and 16.04.2 (or .3 or .4 or .5)
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: i don't know, i'm just telling you your options
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: if you don't need hwe, there's not a reason to run it
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: it's really about exploiting new hardware
[22:22] <nacc> azizLIGHT: both kernels get bugfix and security support
[22:22]  * nacc also thinks only 4.4 has livepatch? not sure
[22:23] <azizLIGHT> with all this discussion in mind, i think its best for me to wait for 16.04.3 iso and get 4.10 builtin
[22:23] <nacc> yeah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack#Kernel_Livepatching
[22:23] <nacc> azizLIGHT: there's no difference to you, if you don't have that bt device yet
[22:23] <nacc> and even if you did, since it doesn't work, there's no difference to you
[22:24] <nicomachus> hi all. I was trying to fix some DNS issues where /etc/resolv.conf was always getting overwritten (and not with the nameservers listed in /etc/network/interfaces) so I took someone's advice and purge resolvconf then rebooted twice (now three times), but I can't create a new /etc/resolv.conf. It says "cannot touch '/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or directory"
[22:25] <nacc> nicomachus: is /etc/resolv.conf a symlink right now?
[22:25] <nacc> nicomachus: possibly to a file that you purged?
[22:25] <stevehope> touch it first with sudo to create it
[22:25] <nacc> nicomachus: e.g., /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[22:25] <nacc> stevehope: no, i don't think that's right, if i'm correct
[22:25] <nacc> stevehope: that won't change a broken symlink
[22:25] <stevehope> go with nacc
[22:26] <nacc> nicomachus: it's possible the scripts for purge are wrong and don't fix up that symlink
[22:26] <nicomachus> nacc: it may be a symlink. I can check
[22:26] <nacc> nicomachus: that's how it is with resolvconf installed, so that's what i'd suspect
[22:26] <nicomachus>  /run/resolvconf does not exist
[22:26] <nacc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/resolvconf/+bug/1593489
[22:26] <nacc> :)
[22:27] <rud0lf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory it's from ubuntu 8.10 times, is it still the thing?
[22:27] <nicomachus> so create /run/resolvconf then?
[22:27] <nacc> i'll triage that bug a bit now
[22:27] <nacc> nicomachus: no
[22:27] <nacc> nicomachus: you aren't running resolvconf, so you don't want a symlink to resolvconf state
[22:27] <noob> ubuntu 17.04 has dns leak, how do i fix that ?
[22:28] <nicomachus> right. well, FWIW I can't click your link, nacc. :)
[22:28] <nicomachus> DNS unresolved and all
[22:28] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Hint: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Oct 16  2016 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf . does /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf file exist ?
[22:28] <k1l_> noob: is there a cve?
[22:28] <nacc> nicomachus: delete the symlink then recreate the file as you want
[22:28] <nicomachus> nacc: delete the symlink how?
[22:29] <noob> no, but when connecting to my vpn, and then testing dnsleaktest.com i get my isp dns..
[22:29] <nacc> nicomachus: sudo unlink /etc/resolv.conf
[22:29] <nicomachus> nacc: ok, I just rm'd it...
[22:29] <nacc> nicomachus: rm should also work
[22:29] <nicomachus> I guess I shoulda waited
[22:29] <nacc> nicomachus: and then put whatever you want in /etc/resolv.conf
[22:30] <nacc> note, i'm not 100% if you need to rebuild your initrd after purging resolvconf
[22:30] <nicomachus> well, I guess we'll see.
[22:30] <nacc> i'm not sure if that symlink also exists in your initrd, i mean
[22:30] <nicomachus> it let me touch resolv.conf after rm'ing it though
[22:30] <nicomachus> that sounds dirty
[22:31] <nicomachus> rebooting
[22:33] <HankMoody> Yes, that does sound dirty
[22:33] <nicomachus> nacc: all fixed up now, thanks
[22:34] <nacc> nicomachus: np
[22:34] <nicomachus> nacc: anything else I should look into that may crop up later?
[22:34] <nacc> nicomachus: how do you mean?
[22:34] <nacc> nicomachus: i don't have enough context to answer your question :)
[22:34] <nicomachus> did I screw up my interfaces file or something? or do I need to reinstall resolvconf now?
[22:35] <nacc> nicomachus: i don't know? i'm also not sure why purging resolvconf was the step -- and i'm not sure what was changed and what wasn't showing up
[22:35] <nacc> nicomachus: i'm fairly sure many people have setup DNS with resolvconf installed
[22:35] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:35] <nicomachus> I guess we'll see.
[22:36] <nicomachus> thanks again
[22:36] <nacc> nicomachus: np
[22:36] <sinthetek> as soon as rebooted for ubuntu 16.04->16.10 upgrade (with unity), an odd mouse-click/tapping noise started at the login screen. i immediately updated repos and began the 17.04 upgrade but the sound persists pseudo-randomly (often in rapid succession). it is emitted both through internal sound or through hdmi if I set it as primary output. muting the sound stops it. anyone know how to resolve this issue?
[22:54] <neo_> test
[22:57] <youmeyear> first user of irc, hello
[22:57] <neo_> hello
[22:57] <youmeyear> cool neo
[22:58] <youmeyear> it work ;)
[22:58] <neo_> indeed
[23:06] <gredjok> is there a command to shut an application down? shutdown works only for the whole os
[23:07] <ChaiTRex> gredjok: Which application?
[23:07] <gredjok> ChaiTRex, transmision
[23:07] <ChaiTRex> gredjok: Just click the close button.
[23:08] <gredjok> i dont speak english anymore
[23:08] <ChaiTRex> gredjok: If it gets stuck, click "Close now"
[23:08] <gredjok> is there a command to shut an application down in 2 or 3 hours? shutdown works only for the whole os
[23:08] <PipeItToDevNull> gredjok, you can pkill
[23:09] <Heynick> I can see my Wifi dongle through lsusb, and see the wireless networks, but I can't seem to be able to connect into the networks. By the way, I just installed Ubuntu 17.04 on my computer
[23:09] <natten_> installed texlive-full package in 17.04 and it wont compile my project. I'm getting Error for missing \begin{document} (even though it is there) and warnings for every citation (bib). The exact same project compiles on another installation texlive on fedora, but i cant seem to find what the difference between the configurations are.
[23:10] <Heynick> Anyone wanna give me directions to wireless internet? I am using another device, but want my desktop to get on Internet
[23:11] <knob> Anybody know where I can get the drivers for a Samsung M2020w ??
[23:11] <knob> Obviously, every driver is there, except the one that works.
[23:12] <gredjok> still no banana: I want to let the application running for 2 hours, but in 30 minutes I have to leave. I want to kill the application in 2 hours. Just the application, not the os. Can I di that with pkill I didnt find any time option on the manpage
[23:13] <zacarias> good night
[23:13] <zacarias> how to install rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 ?
[23:13] <nacc> gredjok: use `at` and `pkill` ?
[23:15] <DeaDSouL> Hi, how can I check the maximum speed of an aggregated dual ports ? the iperf as far as I know would test the maximum speed between two boxes/points. not how maximum each box is capable of
[23:15] <knob> Anybody know where I can download the Linux drivers for a Samsung M2020 printer?
[23:16] <DeaDSouL> knob: https://askubuntu.com/questions/645681/samsung-m2020-on-ubuntu
[23:17] <PipeItToDevNull> gredjok, script it
[23:17] <knob> Thanks DeaDSouL going to try that now...
[23:17] <knob> now I can't wget that file
[23:17] <knob> everything I download from Samsung is for MAC OS-X
[23:18] <knob> ok right... wget fails, yet clicking on it works.   Thanks Samsung for breaking the internet.
[23:19] <Tweak> erus
[23:19] <knob> yeah... and there is no ULD in there.
[23:19] <DeaDSouL> knob: http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=UNI_LEVANT&CttFileID=6285092&CDCttType=DR&ModelType=N&ModelName=SL-M2020&VPath=DR/201510/20151028115008613/uld_v1.00.36_00.91.tar.gz
[23:19] <DeaDSouL> knob: checking the manifacture support page always a good idea ;) http://www.samsung.com/levant/support/model/SL-M2020/SAU
[23:20] <knob> in that page ^^^^ I can't find the driver.... everything is for MAC
[23:20] <DeaDSouL> s/manifacture/manufacturer
[23:21] <DeaDSouL> knob: check again.. there is a driver for linux
[23:21] <knob> Dude, whweere?
[23:22] <knob> I am even searching for the term "linux" and it comes up empty
[23:22] <DeaDSouL> knob: "Print Driver ver V1.00.36_00.91, Linux"
[23:23] <knob> Look man, I am searching on the link you sent, and it's not there.    If I could have avoided this, I would.   And, btw, thank you for your help.  I really appreciate it.   It's just that I am 2 more failures away from smashing this printer with a hammer
[23:24] <DeaDSouL> knob: do you see something called "SEE MORE" under the "Downloads" section?? click on it, then search for "linux" you'll find it there
[23:24] <knob> Jesus yes there it is.   =\    anyway... dude, thank you... I was at the end of my wits
[23:24] <DeaDSouL> knob: you're welcome
[23:27] <Oderus> hello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date
[23:30] <Heynick> My computer sees the wifi dongle, but  I can't get onto Internet avce l'autre télêtelethlon
[23:31] <Heynick> i want to access internet, but can't do it
[23:33] <xangua> Oderus: kde-look.org
[23:33] <Oderus> xangua: there is no list of names for icons, for creating your own theme there that i have seen
[23:34] <xangua> My bad
[23:34] <Hello> Hello
[23:35] <Hello> Hello?
[23:35] <nacc> !ask | Hello
[23:36] <nacc> Hello: you are in the ubuntu support channel, if you are trying to test your client, please use a different channel
[23:45] <ILikeUnity7> rahul why guest name
[23:46] <bazhang> ILikeUnity7, did you have an ubuntu support issue
[23:46] <ILikeUnity7> bazhang, no, just here :)
[23:49] <coderrahul> help
[23:52] <Afo0o0z_> Hello !
[23:52] <ILikeUnity7> I need help with my WiFi indicator.
[23:52] <ILikeUnity7> and hi Afo0o0z_
[23:53] <Afo0o0z_> Man.. Big differences in installations between windows and linux.
[23:53] <ILikeUnity7> My WiFi indicator acts like I'm on a wired internet connection when I use Wifi
[23:53] <ILikeUnity7> But only when I resume from a suspend
[23:54] <Afo0o0z_> damned WiFi problem !
[23:54] <ILikeUnity7> I can usually fix it by restarting the wifi indicator.
[23:54] <ILikeUnity7> But how can I permanently fix it? Upgrade to 17.04, which I will do soon?
[23:59] <Jordan_U> ILikeUnity7: It's possible that the problem will solve itself when you upgrade, and it's possible that it won't.