[20:56] <paulus68> ikonia: you sounded a bit harsh in my opinion
[20:56] <dirtybirdnj> I did an ifconfig after networking restart and it still has the old conflicting IP
[20:56] <paulus68> ikonia: never mind
[20:56] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: again, I'll advise you to talk to your dhcp manager, sometimes if you use an IP address that is reserved in the dhcp scope you'll have problems
[20:56] <ikonia> paulus68: I'm not
[20:56] <pfifo> dirtybirdnj, if you want to use interfaces, then you should uninstall network-manager
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: the best thing you can do is find out what's going on with your dhcp system
[20:57] <dirtybirdnj> ikonia, the problem is that as a fresh install... Ubunutu decided to take an IP address that is already being used
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: yes, which means there is a problem with your dhcp server
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: talk to the person who runs your dhcp
[20:57] <dirtybirdnj> unfortounately I don't have access to that, or the person who is in charge of that
[20:57] <nmvictor> pfifo: is network-manager ever required in KDE? Just a question.
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: if you assign an address that is reserved in the dhcp pool, it can cause problems
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: so talk to the person who runs the dhcp service
[20:57] <dirtybirdnj> the problem is not the address I am asigning
[20:58] <dirtybirdnj> the problem is that no matter w hat I do, I cannot change the IP that the box has
[20:58] <dirtybirdnj> I am assigning an IP that I know is not being used
[20:58] <pfifo> nmvictor, I dont think network manager is required for anything at all, I get along just fine without it, but I cant say for sure about the KDE part as I have nevere used kubuntu
[20:58] <paulus68> ikonia: can it be that he manually assigned ip adresses to his machines based on the various mac addresses
[20:58] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: and I'm trying to explain to you, that if you DO assign an address that is reserved as a dhcp pool address, then it can cause a problem so talk to the dhcp address
[20:58] <nmvictor> pfifo: thanks anyway.
[20:59] <ikonia> paulus68: quite possibly, which is why I've said 10 times talk to the person who manages the dhcp pool
[20:59] <dysun_> happy friday everyone =)
[20:59] <michaelfox> ikonia: I second that
[20:59] <pfifo> dirtybirdnj, you could try changing your mac address and getting a new IP
[20:59] <ikonia> randomly putting static addresses on a dhcp network is a bad idea
[20:59] <jazzg4> i have  question  need little help with    what do you need to have  3d Unity  i have some high specs on this computer but still gos to 2d unity
[21:00] <dirtybirdnj> pfifo that's the best suggestion I've had yet
[21:00] <dirtybirdnj> thanks
[21:00] <michaelfox> very bad idea. you could run into a worse problem if you change to any random IP anything
[21:00] <nmvictor> pfifo: Why never used kubuntu, i prefer the interface to any other, but everyone for their taste. However, Canonical is dumping kubuntu,which was bad news to us.
[21:00] <paulus68> ikonia: do you know by any chance a program that can recover data from a formatted drive with darik boot and nuke
[21:00] <ikonia> paulus68: not off the top of my head
[21:01] <paulus68> ikonia: ok
[21:01] <pfifo> nmvictor, i run debian and lubuntu
[21:03] <Quantum_Ion> paulus68, Once you use darik boot nuke your disk is wiped clean no recovery possible
[21:03] <haz3lnut> paulus68: darik boot and nuke wipes the drive, so you would need the NSA to recover that data.
[21:03] <dirtybirdnj> thanks for your help guys... I'm giving up on this for today
[21:03] <Quantum_Ion> haz3lnut, Even the NSA couldn't recover the data
[21:03] <haz3lnut> Quantum_Ion: I know.
[21:03] <Quantum_Ion> haz3lnut, lol
[21:04] <diverdude> I am trying to install ubuntu server 11.10. I made a bootable external harddisk using the "create usb-stick for boot" method described on the ubuntu site. I am able to boot from this disk, but when i have chosen locale and keyboard-type it says it cannot mount the CD, and i cannot continue. Why is it trying to mount a CD when it should boot fra the external USB disc?
[21:04] <pfifo> diverdude, is there a cd in your cdrom drive
[21:05] <linelevel> [Bump] Hi, I've noticed that when I run the command "sudo rmmod thinkpad_acpi" from the command-line, it works. But when I put the same in a script, it acts as if it works (asks me for my sudo password, doesn't throw any errors), but it doesn't actually remove the module from /proc/modules. Any suggestions?
[21:05] <diverdude> pfifo: no, no CD there
[21:06] <pfifo> diverdude, wait your using the server ISO? It doesnt support new style USB boots if I remember correctly
[21:06] <Quantum_Ion> linelevel, Do you make the script executable by all by running chmod +x your_script.sh so you dont have to run it as root
[21:06] <diverdude> pfifo: ahhh ok...damn
[21:07] <diverdude> pfifo: is there some non-graphical iso which does?
[21:07] <pfifo> diverdude, you can still make it bootable using pxeboot
[21:07] <linelevel> Quantum_Ion: I make it +x by the owner (my primary user account) and run it as same.
[21:07] <pfifo> diverdude, also the minimal install only need the kernel and initrd
[21:07] <diverdude> pfifo: so how do i then do to make it bootable?
[21:07] <Quantum_Ion> linagee, sudo -s as root then chmod +s your_script.sh to make it executable by all
[21:08] <Quantum_Ion> I mean chmod +x
[21:08] <pfifo> diverdude, you should go the minimal install route, just derop the kernel and initrd on your existing USB stick inplace of the kernel/inintrd thats already there
[21:09] <diverdude> pfifo: where do i find my minimal install route?
[21:10] <Linux_Starter> hello i have the epson stylus sx 110 although install the driver thanks to the click and go ubuntu command everything works perfect scanner included ,  i did try anything to get it to show me how much colour il left in cartuges but nothing works what you advise ?
[21:11] <Linux_Starter> installing*
[21:11] <pfifo> diverdude, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:11] <Linux_Starter> hi pfifo  hope you can solve this one can i can trow windows out the window :)
[21:12] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, throw the printer out the window too, go paperless
[21:13] <Linux_Starter> hehe i need the printer do you have a solution for it :) ?
[21:13] <Linux_Starter> all  i need is tell me how much colour is left and i'm solved :)
[21:13] <Radiobuzz> I'm having a problem
[21:13] <Radiobuzz> not really connected to Ubuntu but I really need some help
[21:14] <Radiobuzz> it's regarding grub
[21:14] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, well I support paperless envoriments so I dont have a printer nor any real experience with them, sorry
[21:14] <theblakester> i need some help getting my ubuntu 11.10 set up to build android
[21:14] <Quantum_Ion> Radiobuzz, Ask question  ?
[21:15] <Linux_Starter> is there other staff able to help mehere pfifo ?
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Radiobuzz: If you're using Ubuntu then this is still the right channel. If you're not using Ubuntu then try #grub.
[21:15] <Quantum_Ion> theblakester, did you try /join #android-dev
[21:15] <Radiobuzz> oh! I didn't know that channel existed, thanks Jordan_U
[21:15] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, keep repeating your question ever 30 minutes until a printer expert comes along
[21:15] <theblakester> thanks
[21:15] <vadsomhelst> one quick question, how do I download audio only with youtube-dl?
[21:15] <Jordan_U> RandomCake: You're welcome.
[21:16] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, you can try asking in #cups too
[21:16] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, You can convert the youtube FLV video using ffmpeg
[21:16] <Linux_Starter>  hello i have the epson stylus sx 110 although instalingl the driver thanks to the click and go ubuntu command everything works perfect scanner included ,  i did try anything to get it to show me how much colour il left in cartuges but nothing works what you advise ?
[21:16] <Linux_Starter> thanks pfifo
[21:16] <vadsomhelst> but there's no way I could download only audio?
[21:17] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, You can convert the youtube FLV video using ffmpeg to a WAV file
[21:17] <pfifo> vadsomhelst, the file is a flv file and you cant download just half a file
[21:17] <Linux_Starter> !it
[21:17] <vadsomhelst> only wav? I was thinking about mp3, or mp4...
[21:18] <diverdude> pfifo: hmmm i downloaded the mini.iso but the startup disk creator won't accept it
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, and then use Lame to convert the WAV to an MP3
[21:18] <vadsomhelst> what is lame?
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, An MP3 is a compressed WAV file
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, sudo apt-get lame
[21:18] <pfifo> diverdude, use dd `sudo dd if=/image.iso of=/dev/sdX` where X is you usb stick
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, sudo apt-get install lame
[21:19] <vadsomhelst> ok, thanks
[21:19] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[21:19] <vadsomhelst> I know :)
[21:19] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, then it's like ffmpeg -i downloaded.flv downloaded.wav
[21:20] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, the take lame and convert the WAV to an MP3 -> lame downloaded.wav downloaded.mp3
[21:21] <diverdude> pfifo: hmmm got these : sda   sda1  sda2  sda5  sdb   sdb1
[21:21] <diverdude> pfifo: would that be sdb1?
[21:21] <vadsomhelst> thanks!
[21:21] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, no problem
[21:22] <pfifo> diverdude, I dont know, they are your disks, and really im think this might be a bit out of your leauge, you should just burn it to a CD or burn the Server install to a CD since your uncomfortable with making bootable USB's
[21:23] <diverdude> pfifo: dont have CD drive, so no can do ;)
[21:23] <matusalem> que programas de edicion de imagen hay para ubuntu
[21:23] <itaylor57> !es | matusalem
[21:24] <Ph0RmaT> if someone here knows the basic unix utilitiy programs... may be he/she can say which ones would be most useful to process the apache access log and output how many requests were per each browser, 10 longest breaks between requests, last 10 requested urls? i guess grep, tail, head, sort, cut, wc would be useful, but which other programs? thanks.
[21:25] <diverdude> pfifo: your command did not seem to work....its not a bootable disk
[21:26] <Linux_Starter>  hello i have the epson stylus sx 110 although installing  the driver thanks to the click and go ubuntu command everything works perfect scanner included ,  i did try anything to get it to show me how much colour i have  left in cartuges but nothing works what you advise ?
[21:27] <pfifo> diverdude, well in anyway that you can, boot the kernel and initrd that is on the minimal iso
[21:27] <Quantum_Ion> Linux_Starter, that will be hard unless Epson has a GUI utility program for Linux that can do that
[21:27] <diverdude> pfifo: hmm
[21:28] <diverdude> pfifo: maybe your command has an error
[21:28] <miazio> ieieoel
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/native-epson-photo-print-drivers-in-linux/
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> they give me this Quantum_Ion
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> but is too hard for me i am basic linux
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> can you  help me out with it?
[21:30] <Corey> Linux_Starter: You're just trying to see how much ink is left in a cartridge?
[21:30] <pfifo> diverdude, im not 100% sure if the mimimal disk can use the dd method
[21:30] <Ravaro> wait
[21:30] <Ravaro> can i burn a ubuntu iso with imgburn?
[21:30] <Ravaro> i just finished downloading and windows disc image burner won't burn it (because it sucks)
[21:31] <itaylor57> Linux_Starter, did you check in the software center to see if there were epson printer applications?
[21:31] <Quantum_Ion> Corey, He is using this which has an EPSON utility included to monitor his ink usage http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/native-epson-photo-print-drivers-in-linux/
[21:31] <S-aint> hello guys
[21:31] <Quantum_Ion> Linux_Starter, Do  you alien installed on your system ?
[21:31] <Corey> I monitor ink usage by "buying spare cartridges, when one runs dry replace it"
[21:31] <pfifo> diverdude, here is the complete list of ways to boot from USB, one of them will work so try them all until you win https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:31] <webnet> S-aint, hi can we help you?
[21:31] <S-aint> may i have a question ?
[21:32] <webnet> !ask | S-aint
[21:32] <Linux_Starter> i diden't install ubuntu yet
[21:32] <Linux_Starter> i'm on w7 Quantum_Ion
[21:32] <Linux_Starter> once i install alien what happens?
[21:32] <S-aint> :D
[21:32] <Quantum_Ion> Corey, Sometimes HP and Epson have these utility programs built into their driver packages now
[21:32] <Quantum_Ion> Linux_Starter, Come back when you are on Linux
[21:32] <S-aint> right any advice where can i learn how to manage this software ? :)
[21:32] <Ravaro> wait
[21:32] <Ravaro> what speed do i burn the ubuntu .iso at
[21:32] <karmeeko> can anyone help me setup my eepc to have a functioning hdmi port in ubuntu???
[21:32] <webnet> S-aint, what software?
[21:33] <Linux_Starter> ok brb
[21:33] <S-aint> ubnutu
[21:33] <S-aint> quick guide
[21:33] <webnet> Linux_Starter, if you want to test it try running a VM?
[21:33] <Ravaro> webnet: http://prntscr.com/73tvw
[21:33] <Ravaro> are these settings good?
[21:33] <guntbert> !manual | S-aint
[21:34] <webnet> Ravaro, yep
[21:34] <Ravaro> ok
[21:34] <Ravaro> i hit the button
[21:34] <Ravaro> now it's burning
[21:34] <webnet> good good
[21:34] <S-aint> surfing... ?:D
[21:34] <S-aint> well... i give it a try anyway
[21:34] <webnet> S-aint, what is the problem you are having?
[21:35] <S-aint> none... just found it funny :) thx for advice mate ;-)
[21:36] <S-aint> seems much better then windows to me. i love it now even if i dont know anything about the softtware :)
[21:36] <webnet> S-aint, yes i was chained to windows for years and i discoverd ubuntu. installed that day. never looked back
[21:37] <S-aint> cool :)
[21:37] <Ravaro> http://prntscr.com/73u2t
[21:38] <Ravaro> webnet: so when it's done burning, I restart the PC, and it'll autoboot the CD, right?
[21:38] <Ravaro> or
[21:38] <Ravaro> do i need to boot it manually
[21:38] <pfifo> heh, i migrated from w98 to redhat9
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> http://christwire.org/2010/10/the-anti-masturbation-movements-14-greatest-inventions/
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> crap so sorry
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> Wrong window
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> ;-;
[21:38] <Ravaro> ...
[21:38] <webnet> Ravaro, depends on your bios settings
[21:38] <webnet> Ravaro, try auto booting
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  the boot sequence the BIOS may have to be modified
[21:39] <Ravaro> monkeydust: i know how to get it to boot manually but it's not done yet
[21:39] <webnet> if that dont work try i believe f11 over and over
[21:39] <Ravaro> i'll see if it auto boots, and if not i'll boot menu
[21:39] <Ravaro> and finally
[21:39] <Ravaro> the cd finished writing
[21:39] <webnet> thats the way Ravaro as long as you can get to the boot manu you should be good
[21:39] <S-aint> have you heard about that anonymous os or whatever ? i've seen some clip on u2be and it seems to be similar as ubnutu O_o isn;t it a little bit of pirate stuff ? :D
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> S-aint  it's fake
[21:40] <webnet> S-aint, we arent associated with them at all
[21:40] <Praxi> ok gnome-do is pretty cool
[21:40] <webnet> S-aint, they may use linux software, but that is as far as our relationship goes
[21:40] <kfizz> My system has become painfully slow at times lately. I have /home mounted at its own partition. If I reinstall Ubuntu and mount that partition as home, when I reinstall programs, will they behave somewhat as they do currently?
[21:40] <S-aint> but they stole ubnutu stuff to arrange their... seems not right in my eyes
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> OT: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Anonymous-OS-Live-CD-Based-on-Ubuntu-is-Fake-258700.shtml
[21:41] <Ravaro> webnet: right now imgburn is verifying the disk
[21:41] <webnet> Praxi, i dont feel it
[21:41] <alien_> hello, could I use the asound.state file generated by ubuntu on another OS instead of .asoundrc ?
[21:41] <Ravaro> i'd imagine they packed the iso right, right?
[21:41] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, What kind of system do you have ?
[21:41] <guntbert> S-aint: in any case its not a support issue
[21:41] <Praxi> don't like gnome-do webnet?
[21:41] <webnet> S-aint, Annonymous-OS (which should have totally been called AnnonymOS) isnt associated with us.
[21:41] <alien_> or is there a way to generate .asoundrc from the Ubuntu's alsa stack?
[21:41] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion: Ubuntu 11.10, classic-gnome -- it has been a HUGE pain ever since I upgraded to 11.10
[21:42] <webnet> Praxi, nah. i liked it for like a week and never really got into it... like twitter
[21:42] <webnet> S-aint, and btw its not possible to steal something that is free and open source
[21:42] <Ravaro> ok so xchat does work with ubuntu; sorry webnet :p
[21:42] <S-aint> yeah but u know what i mean right :)
[21:42] <Praxi> lol roger, honestly, just switching from windows, its one of the few things I have found that I like, that I can't get on windows.  We will see how I do in a week :)
[21:42] <Ravaro> i had to do that to test something
[21:42] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, If your system seems slow its because of that new GUI Unity
[21:43] <webnet> np Ravaro. lol.
[21:43] <S-aint> anyway can i get that link once again please ? i lost it littlebit :P
[21:43] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, You might want to downgrade to Ubuntu Linux LTS 10.04
[21:43] <webnet> S-aint, link to what?
[21:43] <plipp1> Hi all, my upgrade gets stuck when trying to replace 'bluez'
[21:43] <S-aint> gotta read "how to"
[21:43] <webnet> !manual | S-aint
[21:43] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, I'm thinking very seriously about doing that.
[21:43] <S-aint> thank you
[21:43] <webnet> np
[21:44] <pfifo> kfizz, you cant 'downgrade' but you can format and install 10.04
[21:44] <Ravaro> webnet: it finished ;D
[21:44] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Because of new stuff in new releases all of the bugs haven't been worked out yet that is why I tell most people to upgrade when the LTS releases come out
[21:44] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, I just wish Unity didn't suck so badly, at least for me.
[21:44] <Ravaro> and no errors!
[21:44] <webnet> cool Ravaro!
[21:44] <Ravaro> time to restart
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> !nounity| kfizz
[21:44] <pfifo> kfizz, try xubuntu or lubuntu if you dont like unity
[21:44] <kfizz> pfifo, I'm just worried about my program configs stored in /home still working
[21:45] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, I heard that a lot of people have had problems with Unity on their hardware I still use Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS
[21:45] <Praxi> ooh nice gnomexchat puts a line through the chat where xchat lost focus
[21:45] <webnet> kfizz, i dont like it either. and im not a fan of gnome3
[21:45] <darien> Which channel is the best in which to ask questions about customizing the ubuntu installer via pressed files and extra packages?
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> webnet  same here
[21:45] <webnet> yeah idk y i just dont feel it
[21:45] <Praxi> oh ya meant to ask about gnome-tweak, I install ubuntu-tweak first, and can't seem to bring up gnome-tweak at all, I assume they do the same things?
[21:46] <kfizz> The classic-gnome look (whatever it's called) works fine for me.
[21:46] <kfizz> But every other day it seems like my computer comes to a screeching halt and everything is bogged down.
[21:46] <xteejx_> Hi guys. I'm looking to get Ubuntu onto an old HTC Kaiser (arm11 phone), but not sure where to start. I know I'll probably need to setup an arm chroot but that's about it. Can anyone help please?
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> darien  there's a program to do that in the repos, i forget the name
[21:46] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Everytime they sup up the GUI on Ubuntu it sucks up more processing resources so maybe thats the reason for the slowdown
[21:46] <webnet> MonkeyDust, i have been considering forking gnome2 and taking the new releases of ubuntu stripping off all of the gui layers and putting gnome 2 shell back on. call it gubuntu or something
[21:47] <webnet> lol
[21:47] <darien> MonkeyDust: well, I have it customized, but I'm having a strange error where at install time, it complains that one of my packages (percona-common) is conflicting with another package (mysql-common), which is not installed and is not supposed to be installed
[21:47] <xteejx_> I tried to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot but it's deprecated, there is no qemu-arm-static
[21:47] <pfifo> webnet, just install debian it comes with gnome2 standard
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> darien  i was going to give you this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[21:47] <webnet> pfifo, i know. but i like ubuntu. :P
[21:48] <Quantum_Ion> The more work they do on GUI's in the future you might need a QUAD processor to run them
[21:48] <darien> MonkeyDust: yeah, I've read that site back forth and sideways, this is a new problem that's come up with a new package
[21:48] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion that could be it. If I'm only doing two things at once the system is fine, but get 10 tabs open in Chrome and try to play music and all of a sudden something with dbus_daemon or beam.smp causes CPU to go to 100% -- I'm boggled and figured downgrading would probably be my best option
[21:48] <darien> MonkeyDust: the issue is specific to this package, it seems, or something triggered by it, so it's not going to be covered there
[21:48] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Do you have a dual core PC or laptop ?
[21:48] <DJones> xteejx_: Don't know if this of any use, but there is an #ubuntu-arm irc channel, don't know if you've tried there, they may have some suggestions
[21:48] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, yes.
[21:48] <xteejx_> Can I run Ubuntu on an armv6?
[21:48] <kfizz> Laptop is what it is.
[21:49] <xteejx_> DJones, Cool thanks, I'll join that but doubt many will be there :)
[21:49] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Wow even with two processors you notice slowdown thats amazing
[21:49] <Wierdo> wieardo
[21:49] <webnet> xteejx_, i believe there is a port of ubuntu that does
[21:49] <Wierdo> how to use another irc channel?
[21:49] <Quantum_Ion> You spelled Weird wrong
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> darien  percona is not found with apt-cache search, that may be the issue
[21:49] <xteejx_> webnet, Brilliant :)
[21:50] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, yes. That's what baffles me. I'd never had this problem until the upgrade. But something causes all the processes on my system to eat up as much as the CPU as they can until it reaches 100%.
[21:50] <Quantum_Ion> Windows 15 might need a QUAD processor
[21:50] <Praxi> hmm how do I check xchat highlighting
[21:50] <pfifo> ubuntu has arm support now? When will I get my sparc support :(
[21:50] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, WOW
[21:50] <Islam> from where can I download a rescue disk iso ?
[21:51] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Sounds like GNOME3 Unity is a heavy GUI
[21:51] <webnet> Islam, there isnt one officially for ubuntu
[21:51] <KM0201> Praxi: if you're using normal xchat, system/preferences/alerts
[21:51] <webnet> Islam, but try searching: rescue on distrowatch.com
[21:51] <KM0201> Quantum_Ion: sounds like?..lol, have you used it?  i thought KDE4 was  bloated
[21:51] <zykotic10> Islam: the regular LiveCD can fix a lot?
[21:51] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Also how much memory do you have ?
[21:51] <Quantum_Ion> KM0201, No not yet still on the LTS release of Ubuntu 10.04
[21:52] <KM0201> oh ok
[21:52] <Islam> webnet : yeah I need the liveCD
[21:52] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, something is causing the slow down :/. And 4GB
[21:52] <Islam> webnet: I need the cd that repairs the boot problems
[21:52] <webnet> Islam try ultimate boot cd
[21:52] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, the heavier the GUI the more memory you need too I forgot to throw that in
[21:52] <MonkeyDust> Islam  what kind of boot problems?
[21:53] <webnet> Islam, http://www.serverninjas.com/ultimate-tool-list/boot-utilities/ultimate-boot-cd/ultimate-boot-cd-download
[21:53] <webnet> it has alot of tools that help repair boot issues
[21:53] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Gnome 3 Unity sounds like a heavy GUI to me so a dual processor with 8GB - 16GB might help
[21:53] <hydrox24> kfizz: whats the problem you're having?
[21:53] <Islam> some times after installation you find a problem with the boot menu, there is a rescue disk that repairs it
[21:54] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, yeah, I'm not sure if it has to totally do with the GUI or not. System runs fine 90% of the time.
[21:54] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Have you ever used Blender on Ubuntu linux ? Sometimes you need a lot of memory for complex animations using that program
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> i don't find how tow to enable / disable the login sound :s
[21:54] <darien> MonkeyDust: no, it can find the package (I included it on the ISO), but that package conflicts with mysql-common (which should not be set to be installed, as it is not explicitly specified, it's not part of the 'standard' task package, and nothing depends on it)
[21:55] <pfifo> Quantum_Ion, download some more ram http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
[21:55] <kfizz> hydrox24: My system, every other day or so, will come to a screeching halt. CPU will jump to 100% and then won't be responsive until I reboot. (Sometimes I can kill a few programs and it will come back.) It happens when I have multiple programs running -- the CPU will be hanging at around 80% then out of nowhere it goes to 100% and doesn't come back down.
[21:55] <Praxi> I am running gnome-shell instead of unity, I have a bar at the top that has what a windows user would call tray icons, and a bar at the bottom that shows running applications and desktops.  I want to condense that down to one bar on the bottom, what config thing am I looking for?
[21:56] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from alivecd?
[21:56] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from a livecd?
[21:56] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, I bet you need a Quad Core with at least 16GB of memory in order to run Gnome 3 Unity smoothly take a look at this -> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/dell-teases-with-17-inch-quad-core-laptop-with-16gb-of-memory/
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> Praxi  i guess you need a different DE
[21:57] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, 4GB for a laptop is minimal nowadays
[21:57] <Praxi> Desktop Environment?  I can't just customize those bars?  not sure what they are called so not familiar with where to look
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> Praxi  there's gnome-tweak-tool in the repos, maybe you find something there, or install a different shell or so
[22:00] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from a livecd?
[22:00] <Ravaro> ok
[22:00] <Ravaro> i have a slight problem; I burned the iso file correctly and everything. But... my BIOS doesn't boot from a CD-ROM.
[22:00] <Ravaro> What do I do about that?
[22:00] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  does it boot from USB?
[22:00] <Ravaro> it does
[22:01] <pfifo> Ravaro, can you modify the bios to boot from a cd or will it really not boot from  cd?
[22:01] <Ravaro> pfifo: it won't boot from a CD.
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  then create a bootable pendrive, use unetbootin
[22:01] <Ravaro> And... no. I can't mod the bios.
[22:01] <pfifo> Ravaro, but it can boot usb?
[22:01] <Ravaro> pfifo: yes
[22:01] <pfifo> Ravaro, well thats your solution
[22:02] <Ravaro> pfifo: the problem is my flash drive is near full
[22:02] <Ravaro> and it has a ton of stuff i absolutely need
[22:02] <pfifo> Ravaro, but the flash drive stuff to a CD?
[22:02] <pfifo> burn*
[22:02] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: It sounds like you have a decision to make... and as cheep as flash drives are... why not go to the store and get a new one?
[22:02] <darien> does your BIOS not have a setting to boot from CD/DVD? or does it not work?
[22:02] <Ravaro> my bios doesn't have a setting to boot from CD/DVD
[22:03] <Ravaro> pragmaticenigma: no flash drives are in stock
[22:03] <Ravaro> and i don't do internet shopping
[22:03] <Quantum_Ion> Ravaro, Check Ebay tons of cheap USB drives sometimes they give them away at electronic stores and conventions too
[22:03] <Ravaro> i don't do internet shopping
[22:03] <Ravaro> no thanks
[22:04] <ikonia> Ravaro: ok - so how can we help you ?
[22:04] <pfifo> Ravaro, SD cards work just as well as a flashdrive, if you have any laying around
[22:04] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: I would follow the suggestion of another user on here... burn the contents of your flash drive to CD or DVD then setup the flash drive to install Ubuntu... when your done, you can put your files back on the flash drive
[22:04] <Ravaro> So... What do I do with the burned CD?
[22:04] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: Beverage caoster?
[22:04] <Ravaro> lol
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  you can't do this, you don't want that, like if you don't want to be helped
[22:04] <pfifo> Ravaro, put your coffee mug on it to keep stains off your desk
[22:05] <Ravaro> ok
[22:05] <Ravaro> i
[22:05] <Quantum_Ion> recycle it ?
[22:05] <Ravaro> i'm moving some stuff from my flash drive
[22:05] <superdave321> Ravaro: Make a full .img backup of your flash drive, format, install, restore the drive...
[22:05] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from a livecd? Will anyone help me on this please....
[22:05] <Ravaro> superdave321: i already know how to boot it from a usb stick
[22:05] <Ravaro> the problem is, last time i tried, it failed
[22:05] <Ravaro> but
[22:05] <Ravaro> i may as well try again
[22:05] <Ravaro> brb
[22:05] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: Is this a computer that you personally own?
[22:06] <Ravaro> yes
[22:06] <FloodBot1> Ravaro: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:06] <superdave321> Ravaro: I know, but as far as the data loss prevention on your flash drive...
[22:06] <Ravaro> superdave321: i already told you i'm moving stuff
[22:06] <Ravaro> anyways brb
[22:07] <superdave321> Ravaro: Oh. Must have missed that. My apologies.
[22:07] <superdave321> Jeez...
[22:08] <hydrox24> kfizz: have you looked at logs,, kernel or otherwise to try and diagnose the issue?
[22:08] <ralphiek> sent error from printer msg to http://paste.ubuntu.com re failure of ocelot to recognize my usb port of my lexmark x4650 printer
[22:08] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: 1: You should change your nick to something else since "ubuntu" is a common word in this channel ("/nick new_nick" without the quotes) 2: Please explain your original problem and why you think you need to get an initrd.img from a liveCD.
[22:09] <pfifo> If linux was cheese, debian would be swiss, gentoo cheddar, arch mozzarella, and ubuntu would be individually warped slices of american.
[22:10] <S-aint> :D
[22:10] <Ravaro> I'm back; installing it to the USB stick
[22:10] <Ravaro> I think I know what happened last time, I didn't realize I downloaded 11.10 and the Installer tried to install 10.04.
[22:10] <smw> pfifo, DVL would be swiss
[22:10] <Ravaro> I changed that setting, so, It should work?
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> Interesting analogy pfifo
[22:11] <superdave321> pfifo: I think we can all say we're individually warped :P
[22:13] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> can anyone tell me what MUI is and what to use it for?
[22:13] <Pietruzzo> hello folks.. I need a little help
[22:13] <Pietruzzo> I have just installed Ubuntu 10.4 LTS on my 13" macbook pro
[22:13] <Pietruzzo> and I can't get the audio to work
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> I am using the kernel 2.6.32-39-generic
[22:14] <superdave321> !ask | Pietruzzo
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> and I have installed the linux-backport-modules-alsa for the following channel
[22:14] <Quantum_Ion> Pietruzzo, Turn your volume up
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> kernel
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> actuall
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> Quantum_Ion,
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> wish I was that dumb
[22:15] <ralphiek> cups log return              'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:29 -0600] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Dirty files", busy="Active clients and dirty files"',
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdReadClient: 28 POST / HTTP/1.1',
[22:15] <Quantum_Ion> Pietruzzo, lol just checking
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients and dirty files", busy="Dirty files"',
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdAuthorize: Authorized as ralph using PeerCred',
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdReadClient: 28 1.1 Cancel-Subscription 1',
[22:15] <FloodBot1> ralphiek: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] Cancel-Subscription /',
[22:15] <Quantum_Ion> ahh damn
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> also I can't seem to adjust the brightness
[22:15] <Tigerboy> have one broken package (brasero) that i cannot remove using aptitude or another other program aptitude's "solution" is to remove 243 packages and every time I try to do it aptitude crashes
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> to be able to adjust the brightness
[22:16] <Ameerizer> hello
[22:16] <S-aint> hey
[22:16] <Pietruzzo> which is what's killing me most right now
[22:16] <Pietruzzo> LOL
[22:17] <superdave321> !ask | Pietruzzo
[22:17] <dlentz> superdave321, s/he did ask the question...
[22:18] <Pietruzzo> superdave321, I dont know whether ur fooling me or not
[22:18] <Pietruzzo> I need to get the sound card working on this macbook pro
[22:18] <superdave321> Pietruzzo: Sorry. Just ask in one line. It'll help.
[22:18] <Pietruzzo> as well as the brightness adjustment
[22:19] <Pietruzzo> thats my soundcard model
[22:19] <Pietruzzo> 00:08.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP79 High Definition Audio (rev b1)
[22:19] <Pietruzzo> if anyone knows anything about.. just hit me up
[22:20] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> hi noobs
[22:20] <gdea73> I'm having problems with  hybrid graphics (AMD A6 APU) on my new laptop. You can read this thread for a full description of the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1941605
[22:20] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> im soo sorry that was my g
[22:20] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> idiot friend
[22:21] <CFHowlett> TRIAL_AND_ERROR   *noobs*?
[22:21] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> that was my idiot friend i am sooo sorry
[22:22] <gdea73> I can get the integrated (APU) graphics to work if I disable the discrete graphics in the BIOS, but I can't get hardware acceleration on the discrete graphics to work if they're enabled in BIOS. I get a purple screen.
[22:23] <gdea73> basically I need help getting fglrx configured properly, is anyone here skilled at that? I'd really appreciate some help.
[22:24] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Most motherboards do not support using a discreet and on board graphics chip at the same time
[22:24] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> noob
[22:25] <iceroot> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: stop it please
[22:25] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> its really not me, hes a jerk
[22:25] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: That's not exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to be able to switch between them. The problem is that they both use fglrx.
[22:25] <Pietruzzo> I am trying to install the latest 3.0 kernel
[22:25] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> i apologize
[22:25] <pragmaticenigma> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: It doesn't matter... if it's a problem then leave the room
[22:25] <Pietruzzo> and see what happen
[22:25] <iceroot> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: then leave the channel please until that is stopped
[22:26] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: The drivers do not support it
[22:26] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: are you serious? :(
[22:26] <gdea73> well that's going to be problematic.
[22:26] <gdea73> so I paid the money for a discrete graphics chip that I will *never* be able to use? :S
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: The proprietary AMD graphics drivers for linux are severly crippled
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I'm certain on the Windows side of things it probably works just fine
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: are you working with a laptop or desktop?
[22:28] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: I'm using a laptop, a new one which I just bought.
[22:28] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> ummm, moderator! my friend is attempting to start chatting (from the same ip ) you may want to kick him
[22:28] <gdea73> I bought it with the intent of running Ubuntu alone. It came with Windows 7 preinstalled, which I can't stand, so I wiped it and installed Maverick.
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Why Maverick?
[22:29] <gdea73> well, I prefer the 10.x series to the 11.x series, I prefer Gnome 2 to any other DE, and I like it slightly better than 10.04.
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> Maverick is no longer supported
[22:29] <gdea73> it's 64-bit, BTW. And the hardware model is a Lenovo IdeaPad Z575, AMD A6-3420M
[22:30] <gdea73> oh, well I know the support ends somewhat soon, but ... ah well
[22:30] <KM0201> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: why should he be kicked?
[22:30] <CFHowlett> KM0201   trolling out of season
[22:30] <gdea73> I'd still prefer it to 10.04, I guess. At this point I don't want to downgrade at all, or reinstall anything, since it took a while to get the WiFi working as it is.
[22:30] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I don't use the main ubuntu installers... I go for Xubuntu or even Lubuntu... both are simple DEs and run similar to Gnome
[22:30] <KM0201> lol
[22:31] <The_silly_doll> hey guys
[22:31] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yeah I've tried Lubuntu and I like it to some extent, for older hardware, but overall if my hardware can run it I like Gnome 2 the best. I just like the way panels, etc., work
[22:31] <CFHowlett> KM0201   and forcing me to add another name to the /ignore list
[22:31] <CFHowlett> The_silly_doll   greetings
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: that's why I'm wondering why your are using a no longer supported version... there is a good possibility that driver support is crippled...
[22:31] <The_silly_doll> how are u hackers
[22:32]  * KM0201 chuckles... and now another
[22:32] <gdea73> And honestly I don't care a whole lot about official support for the OS, I just want to finish configuring the current install.
[22:32] <CFHowlett> The_silly_doll   *hackers*  not here.  Perhaps you want a different channel
[22:32] <CFHowlett> KM0201   same stuff different nick?
[22:32] <KM0201> :)
[22:32] <gdea73> Well I didn't think the AMD/ATi drivers would run any better on 11.10, for example.
[22:32] <The_silly_doll> hey
[22:32] <gdea73> I'm using Catalyst 12.2, which would be the same version in use on Oneiric.
[22:32] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: From my limited research... I know that many laptop producers do not allow both the discreet and onboard graphics to run at the same time for battery conversvation
[22:32] <gdea73> I installed the drivers from AMD's website.
[22:33] <The_silly_doll> i like icecream
[22:33] <CFHowlett> Iot|The_silly_doll
[22:33] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: I would expect that too except these graphics chips are both AMD based and it's marketed as "hybrid graphics"
[22:33] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: It's not just the drivers you have to worry about... sometimes the kernel itself is lacking a feature the drivers may need in newer releases
[22:33] <gdea73> but regardless; I just want some way to switch between them. I don't need any hybrid graphics. I just want to be able to switch between the APU and the Radeon 6650M, even if it requires a reboot.
[22:34] <The_silly_doll> so is this the guy hotline chat or the stripper chat room
[22:34] <ikonia> neither
[22:34] <pangolin> !guidelines > The_silly_doll
[22:34] <ikonia> it's an ubuntu technical chat resource
[22:34] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: so basically you're saying I won't be able to get it working for at least another year, when the AMD drivers for Linux become mildly acceptable on this newer hardware?
[22:34] <ikonia> please keep to that topic
[22:34] <gdea73> (didn't mean to sound like an attack, I'm making assumptions, as that's usually the case. I'm just sort of disappointed.)
[22:34] <WilsonBradley> speaking of.. Has anyone seen some type of MONITOR profile app?  I used to love their products, especially all-in-wonder series... but it's so limited to get support I went over nvidia which seems to have a larger support base
[22:35] <gdea73> now I realize I can't find any documented ANYTHING :P
[22:35] <KM0201> he lasted longer than i thought he would..
[22:36] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> hes coming back btw
[22:36] <CFHowlett> KM0201   what?  you think he's done for the day?
[22:36] <KM0201> lol
[22:36] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: though while shopping for laptops the only in my price range had Intel HD graphics alone, or AMD discrete cards.
[22:36] <gdea73> and I don't want to be brand-biased based on how well their drivers work with my preferred OS. That's pathetic, in a way... on their end :(
[22:37] <zooko> Dear people of #ubuntu: I'm trying to make a bootable USB drive for my son's 11th birthday.
[22:37] <zooko> I followed these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[22:37] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: though I thought I was pretty close with configuration... I thought it was just a matter of configuring "amdconfig" right. I almost got them working
[22:37] <zooko> (He has a Macbook Pro.)
[22:37] <zooko> But the result is a blank grey screen.
[22:37] <gdea73> I just really want a usable laptop.
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I work with both Intel and Nvidia graphics for my rigs... both equally supported... it's not biased on brand on my part... I just choose what is going to have the best support outcome when I have a problem... but getting back to your situation
[22:38] <S-aint> right im off... thanx for advice ill be back tomorrow. reading made me tired :P
[22:38] <gdea73> but yes I'd prefer to focus on the hardware at hand.
[22:38] <CFHowlett> gdea73   suggest you look at the ubuntu OEM laptop companies
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Isn't the bios capable of selecting between the two cards?
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> CFHowlett: He's already made the purchase
[22:38] <gdea73> CFHowlett: Those would be ideal, except I purchased based on the price and hardware performance; not OEM OS. I never use OEM installs of any OS anyway.
[22:38] <gdea73> CFHowlett: and yeah, I have. Can't really return it either I don't think. Only replacement. From Newegg. *sigh*
[22:39] <CFHowlett> gdea73   fair enough.  Wish it had worked out better for you.
[22:39] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: so here's the deal, yes the BIOS switches between "APU Only" and "dynamic mode"
[22:39] <WilsonBradley> zooko- look up Pendrivelinux
[22:39] <gdea73> CFHowlett: well I'm still hoping that it will :P
[22:39] <gdea73> but thanks.
[22:39] <pragmaticenigma> can you throw back up your laptop model for me?
[22:39] <zooko> WilsonBradley: thanks!
[22:39] <WilsonBradley> I make usb distros all the time
[22:39] <gdea73> yeah: Lenovo IdeaPad Z575. The posts you may find on it and Linux are likely mine. A review on Newegg said that the 3D acceleration worked fine on their Linux install, but they were running a custom-configured build of Arch. FWIW.
[22:39] <WilsonBradley> they are great for boot utilities when your stuck
[22:40] <gdea73> (and they also said the WiFi was recognized by default, which is kind of a lie, it took me several hours lol
[22:40] <gdea73> )
[22:40] <WilsonBradley> That site is all automated
[22:40] <WilsonBradley> I mean the USB Multiboot creator
[22:40] <WilsonBradley> Simple
[22:40] <zooko> WilsonBradley: is there some special instructions for Macbook Pro?
[22:41] <gdea73> man this has been a long day...
[22:41] <WilsonBradley> Not sure about Macbook
[22:41] <WilsonBradley> OSX
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... gdea73 your laptop wireless is newer than what was available at the time of 10.10
[22:41] <WilsonBradley> You don't have a windows box?
[22:41] <gdea73> had to say "goodbye" to my parents' BMW 525i :(
[22:41] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well the WiFi works now, so that's all that matters.
[22:42] <gdea73> and sorry for O/T anyway, just it's a pity, I liked the E39s a lot, and the world didn't need to lose another XD
[22:42] <gdea73> so back to the fglrx drivers :P
[22:42]  * zooko discovers that he already has a package named "usb-creator-gtk" on his Ubuntu laptop.
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: are you a member to the ubuntuformums?
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> nm
[22:42] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yup. Under the same u/n
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... stumbled on your thread... didn't scroll up fast enough to see your name
[22:43] <gdea73> ironically I'm using my Dell Inspiron 5000 as my way to troubleshoot my IdeaPad. The Inspiron is ~12 years old.
[22:43] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yeah that's fine. so anyway I can get it to work with just the APU drivers, but I can't get the discrete ones to work again
[22:44] <zooko> Darn, usb-creator-gtk has the "Make Startup Disk" button greyed-out and I don't see how to make it enabled.
[22:44] <CFHowlett> zooko   running as sudo?
[22:44] <zooko> Ah, maybe that's because I didn't run it with sudo..
[22:44] <zooko> CFHowlett: :-)
[22:45] <zooko> Dang, still greyed-out with sudo. :-(
[22:45] <fancybone> LOL I STALK
[22:45] <gdea73> on a side-note, msot of the time my laptop won't resume from suspend. I have to actually remove the battery to get it to POST again.
[22:45] <zooko> Ah! I just needed to wait longer.
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Suspend and Hibernate are both features that are hit or miss on any computer... best not to use them
[22:46] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yup, yet another aspect of the alternative O/S world that gradually drives me insane...
[22:46] <zooko> I assume this isn't going to work, because I assume it is making a USB drive which will boot on a PC, i.e. using BIOS and MBR.
[22:46] <zooko> But my son has a Macbook Pro, so I will have to figure out how to use EFI and GPT. ☹
[22:47] <gdea73> I can suspend on my laptop running Win98SE. I can suspend on my Pentium II running Win95. I can suspend on my 486 running DOS. But my new PCs running Linux? out of the question lol
[22:47] <pragmaticenigma> I can't run my current machine with C-states enabled for my CPU because of power management bugs in the kernel
[22:48] <gdea73> C-states? That sounds like a frustrating problem though as well.
[22:48] <GoblinL> lol how do I customize this XCHAT so that I see list of people on the right side?
[22:48] <gdea73> the most frustrating part of alternative OSes is the lack of hardware support, I've found.
[22:49] <pragmaticenigma> C-states is a set of instructions for power management on the CPU... basically tells the CPU to turn on and off cores, when to lower clock cycles, etc
[22:49] <pangolin> GoblinL, you should e able to click along the right side of the window and expand the nick list
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> I'm sorry to say gdea73 ... your configuration is just too new to be able to find solutions... :-(
[22:50] <GoblinL> pangolin I am on a 10 inch, doesn't seem to work
[22:50]  * gdea73 is seething with rage
[22:50] <gdea73> just kidding lol
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I would suggest focussing your efforts on the graphics chip model numbers
[22:50]  * gdea73 is actually mildly anoyed
[22:50] <gdea73> but yes, of course.
[22:50]  * zooko reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
[22:50] <gdea73> The APU: AMD A6-3420M. GPU: Radeon HD 6650M.
[22:51] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: In my experience... linux and laptops are like black magic...
[22:51] <gdea73> lol true
[22:52] <gdea73> so anyway, I'll try to focus for a second now...
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> GoblinL: Look through the preferences under settings... you will find the setting in there
[22:52] <gdea73> I have two ways to enable/disable the discrete GPU. (1) BIOS, and (2) Catalyst.
[22:53] <pragmaticenigma> Once the OS has taken over the bios setting no longer matters
[22:53] <gdea73> The graphics worked, on the discrete chip, right after installing Catalyst. and running amdconfig --initial
[22:53] <GoblinL> I must have a old or sad version of Xchat....
[22:53] <gdea73> then I disabled it, via Catalyst, and rebooted. That lead to a purple screen. So fglrx is broken now. However, if I DISABLE the discrete GPU in the BIOS, it boots right up from the integrated APU, using fglrx.
[22:54] <gdea73> so basically I've had both GPUs working, with fgrlx, at different times; but now when I boot with the discrete card disabled by the BIOS, Catalyst won't give me the option to switch to it.
[22:54] <Ampix0> ok a bit of a specialized question. finally set up an ubuntu server with the minecraft server on it. When you try to connect to the minecraft server you get this message "internal exception: java.net socket exception: connection reset"
[22:54] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: True... because it's a switch disabled... BIOS isn't letting the drivers know the card exists...
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: It's like whack a mole
[22:55] <jefimenko> does anyone know how to read the output on /dev/console over ssh?
[22:55] <gdea73> exactly; so is there any way out without reinstalling fglrx altogether?
[22:55] <gdea73> I've tried running and rerunning various amdconfig commands with no success.
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> Ampix0: This isn't the correct forum for that type of question... you'd be better served on the minecraft forums
[22:56] <Ampix0> well the issue is really with ubuntu and java
[22:56] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: removing any xorg.conf files may help get things to go back to defaults...
[22:56] <gdea73> Ampix0: I'm familiar with Minecraft servers, and a bit of Ubuntu, hardly any Java. :D
[22:56] <jefimenko> i'm reading the upstart docs which say that adding "console output" to an upstart conf connects the standard input, output, and error file descriptors to /dev/console
[22:56] <pragmaticenigma> Ampix0: No, the issue is with how you have your server configured for minecraft...
[22:56] <jefimenko> now i have no idea how to read from /dev/console
[22:56] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: that's what I just did; the laptop now runs with the open source drivers.
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> Ampix0: If there was an issue with Ubuntu or java, then there would be bigger issues with your machine right now
[22:57] <gdea73> what I need to do though is edit *catalyst*'s file to switch to discrete graphics, except I am not running fglrx at the moment, and the only way I *can* is with the BIOS switch off.
[22:57] <meerkats> I need to extract 6k .zip files. Problem is: everytime the machine find and error in any directory, it stops. I want it to extract all, disregarding the errors (Or, not extracting the ones containing mistakes, but extracting the rest)
[22:57] <CFHowlett> meerkats   you should be able to navigate inside the archive and extract individual files ...
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: It's really sounding like through all the trial and error something is configured and it's nearing the point where a reinstall might be necassary
[22:58] <Praxi> in Nautilus, is there any way for me to copy files to a protected folder without dropping to terminal to run a sudo?
[22:58] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: haha, I'll buy that. Okay I'll uninstall fgrlx and try to reinstall it.
[22:58] <gdea73> but the problem is I got "stuck" by switching to the onboard graphics via Catalyst. That's bad, because I'm going to be able to need to switch.
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> The problem is the config files may not leave when you uninstall
[22:58] <Krambiorix> how can i disable the automatic logout in 11.10?
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: There is no automatic logout
[22:59] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, mine does
[22:59] <Krambiorix> after 10 mins
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: You will need to be more specific... are you actually seeing the login screen after 10 min or just a prompt to enter your password?
[23:00] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, okok prompt to enter pass
[23:00] <meerkats> CFHowlett, Im talking about 6,000 files here
[23:00] <nowhereFast> is this considered correct for deleting all except a specific directory: rm -rf $(ls 2>/dev/null | grep -vx dirname)
[23:00] <meerkats> well, folders
[23:00] <gdea73> I'll run an apt-get purge after the uninstall script. Though wait I imagine part of it is in my home folder...
[23:00] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: That's your screensaver locking your desktop when your away
[23:00] <CFHowlett> meerkats   ow.  Forget I suggested it.
[23:00] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, where can i change that? I use gnome classic
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: yeah... are you installing fglrx through apt-get?
[23:01] <jefimenko> does anyone know how to read std output and std error on /dev/console?
[23:01] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   system>preferences>screensaver>"lock screen..."
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> Thank you CF
[23:01] <jefimenko> i've been googling and cannot find out
[23:01] <CFHowlett> pragmaticenigma   no problem
[23:01] <Krambiorix> CFHowlett, i don't have system>pref.....
[23:01] <gdea73> I installed fglrx via AMD's auto-installer as advised by someone helping me last night.
[23:02] <imbezol> meerkats: you have a dir with 6000 zips in it?
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: K- then apt-get purge will not get rid of your configuration files
[23:02] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   the exact language might differ, but you do have a preferences tab.  I can't say exactly as I'm on 10.04
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> nowhereFast: that is not appropriate for this chat room
[23:03] <meerkats> imbezol, yes
[23:03] <nowhereFast> heh
[23:03]  * nowhereFast shakes his head
[23:03] <imbezol> meerkats: find /dir -name '*.zip' -exec unzip {} \;
[23:03] <gdea73> ok
[23:03] <nowhereFast> n/p
[23:04] <Krambiorix> damn ubuntu 11.10 sucks
[23:04] <ikonia> Krambiorix: if you don't like it, don't use it
[23:04] <Krambiorix> i better stayed on 10.04
[23:04] <Ibogaine> anyone know how to get Vidaldi to work (tor) ?
[23:04] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   x/l/k/ubuntu are available
[23:04] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   although I completely agree about using LTS only ...
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: If you having trouble, you really need to be more specific about the setup of your machine... Gnome is not installed by default in ubuntu 11.10 so you have already done some configuration to your system which would make it difficult to trouble shoot
[23:05] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, yeah i use GNOME 3 classic
[23:05] <Fyodorovna> Ibogaine, you can download a browser all set to work from tor.
[23:05] <gdea73> Krambiorix: as do I prefer Ubuntu 10. I didn't like Unity or Gnome 3 a lot
[23:05] <CFHowlett> 11.10 screensaver settings?  Need to disable password lock - plz send to krmabiorix
[23:05] <gdea73> and gnome classic was always problematic anyway
[23:05] <meerkats> imbezol, wont that just unzip one fiel at a time?
[23:05] <Ibogaine> fyodorovna I would like it to work with XChat though
[23:05] <meerkats> file*
[23:05] <savage> can I install an old postgresql version (8.3) on Ubuntu 10.04?
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: That would have been benificial to know up front... CF gave instructions for Gnome 2
[23:05] <savage> What should I add to my sources.list?
[23:06] <imbezol> meerkats: isn't that what you want?
[23:06] <Krambiorix> but where is the preferences in 11.10?
[23:06] <fman23> click the power cog in the upper right for preferences
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> savage: Not recommended as older versions may not have all security patches applied
[23:07] <savage> I understand, but I have a project that depends on pgsql 8.3 :\
[23:07] <zooko> WilsonBradley: I don't have a Windows box.
[23:07] <Praxi> gnome-tweak-tool Krambiorix?
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> chill Krambiorix, if someone knows they will answer when they can
[23:07] <zooko> WilsonBradley: have you made a USB drive that could boot Macbook Pro before?
[23:07] <Krambiorix> Praxi, nope
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: not the right solution
[23:07] <Praxi> only caught half the conversation
[23:07] <zooko> I guess I'll try this again: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[23:07] <fman23> savage: why can it not use a newer version of postgreslq?
[23:07] <WilsonBradley> No, but have heard of it
[23:07] <fman23> postgresql*
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: He needs help finding the screensaver settings for Gnome 3 to disable the screen saver password
[23:08] <WilsonBradley> I have a Hackentosh install on an MSI Netbook
[23:08] <savage> fman: Ask the guys in stanford :p http://dbpubs.stanford.edu:8011/doku.php/trio:install
[23:08] <Praxi> there aren't any settings unless you installed xscreensaver
[23:08] <CFHowlett> WilsonBradley   see it would have really helped to mention that sooner.
[23:08] <janusz2> Hi, is it possible to block a process (like a text editor) from accessing other files, executing scripts etc. ? If yes, then what's the simplest way to do it ?
[23:08] <CFHowlett> WilsonBradley   let's talk ...
[23:08] <fman23> savage: have you tried it with a newer version?
[23:08] <Praxi> thats one of the big complaints about gnome-screensaver, no settings that a normal sane person can get to
[23:08] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: that is not correct... Gnome 3 uses it's own Screensaver engine
[23:08] <WilsonBradley> K
[23:08] <savage> fman23: yes, it fails with an error
[23:08] <CFHowlett> WilsonBradley   see my tutorial  http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=212837&st=0#entry1427797
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: and gnome 3 can at least let a person disable the scren lock when the screensaver is active
[23:09] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: I have removed all traces of fglrx and according system changes it made. Now rebooting with the open source drivers. Can you help me get the proprietary ones configured right this time?
[23:09] <WilsonBradley> ok
[23:09] <savage> fman23: something like this   ERROR: incompatible library "/usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/lib/triospi.so": version mismatch DETAIL: Server is version 8.4, library is version 8.3. ' in '/* *
[23:09] <hansel> eww
[23:09] <Praxi> too bad I can't change the screensaver in gnome =/
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I really have never had luck installing or working with those drivers... have always stuck with the default installed
[23:10] <Ibogaine> anyone running linux distro on a ASUS EEE 1000H ? everyone says its neat but I find so many distros incredible slow
[23:10] <Praxi> the new gnome-screensaver might be a step in the right direction, but the inability of a normal person to effect it without reading way too many man pages is stupid for new users
[23:10] <meerkats> imbezol, well, I wanted to extract all th 6000 files with just one command
[23:10] <meerkats> darn
[23:10] <meerkats> folders
[23:10] <gdea73> oh, well I don't have much hope running the open source drivers... can anyone else help me get fglrx installed?
[23:11] <Praxi> messed with it for hours today before I finally game up and installed xscreensaver and can control my screensaver again lol.
[23:11] <imbezol> meerkats: you have 6000 zips or 6000 folders full of zips? lol.. confused
[23:11] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: the open source drivers do not allow any true hardware acceleration, and the resolution is locked at 1024x768 on a 1366x768 display.
[23:11] <fman23> savage: well you have two options, either work with getting postgresql installed or compile trio for the latest postgresql
[23:11] <imbezol> meerkats: the command i gave will search a dir for .zip files and extract them all
[23:11] <webereinc> Hello! - anyone run 11.10 under VirtualBox?
[23:11] <fman23> postgresql 8.3 installed*
[23:11] <pragmaticenigma> I am aware of the limitation gdea73... though you can fix resolution problems manually... the accerlation is harder
[23:12] <meerkats> sorry imbezol , it appears now there are both files and folders, but the vast majority are folders, ZIP folders
[23:12] <fman23> oh wait
[23:12] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: and it's important to me that 3D acceleration works on this. If I didn't want to use 3D acceleration, I would use my Inspiron for everything, which I currently do ;)
[23:12] <imbezol> meerkats: you mean folders with zips in them? or do you zips with folders in them? lol
[23:13] <webereinc> Under Virtualbox, my Ubuntu 11.10 is locked at video resolution off 800x600 with no other options... any thoughts anyone?
[23:13] <gdea73> the only computing activity that would work (hopefully at all), solely on the IdeaPad would be Minecraft.
[23:13] <fman23> savage: if you would like to isntall older versions of packages, use synaptic
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> pesky games
[23:13] <fman23> savage: it has full support for package downgrading
[23:13] <masen> webereinc: have you installed guest additions?
[23:13] <gdea73> haha well they're no the ones causing the problems, they just are my reason for wanting to solve them
[23:13] <webereinc> masen: yep
[23:13] <KM0201> whats the command to move a folder (with data) to another location?   mv /path/to/folder /path/to/destination   keep stelling me "the directory is not empty" so i'm assuming i'm missing a switch
[23:13] <gdea73> * not; such an annoying typo
[23:13] <ThatGuy85> Question for Ubuntu 11.10 using lubuntu.
[23:13] <webereinc> masen: but I don't know how to check if they are 'being used'
[23:14] <meerkats> imbezol, zips with folders in them
[23:14] <CFHowlett> webereinc   did you install guest additions?
[23:14] <imbezol> meerkats: ah.. it doesn't matter what's in the zips.. it will extract everything
[23:14] <ThatGuy85> Files that I copy from a usb voice recorder are 10x larger on disk.
[23:15] <webereinc> CFHowlett: Yes - they are installed, but I don't know how to verify that they are being 'used'
[23:15] <gdea73> okay I got fglrx installed. Here's my current plan which I think may work (!!)
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: have you seen this post? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1820686
[23:15] <Loshki> KM0201: does /path/to/destination/folder already exist?
[23:15] <ThatGuy85> Total file size: 9.5. size on disk 75gb
[23:15] <KM0201> Loshki: of course
[23:15] <gdea73> ah okay
[23:15] <KM0201> i jsut did cp and it seems to work, so i'll just delete the old folder
[23:15] <gdea73> so since both GPUs use the same driver, which apparently doesn't support GPU switching (though it says it does), I'll just do it manually.
[23:16] <gdea73> oh wait, crap, purple screen on boot -_-
[23:16] <gdea73> wow, I get absolutely nothing, it hangs at a purple screen.
[23:16] <fman23> All of the sudden my file's names were replaced with ECRYPT_FENK_ENCRYPTED.FWYU-<random ascii characters>.  This happened in the middle of an sftp session.  Does anyone know what might have caused this and how i can remedy this without stopping any services running as the user?
[23:16] <masen> wbereinc: do you get mouse pointer integration?
[23:16] <webereinc> masen: yes, the mouse is working just fine!
[23:17] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I have a feeling something is still reading a rogue config file... you might be better served starting from scratch completely?
[23:17] <Loshki> KM0201: then you can't mv /path/to/folder /path/to/destination because that will try to create 'folder' within 'destination', which already exists, so the move fails. You can maybe do mv /path/to/folder/* /path/to/destination/folder instead...
[23:17] <savage> fman23: thanks i'll try that
[23:17] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: oh God no, not another reformat *shudder*
[23:17] <KM0201> Loshki: thats what i ended up doing
[23:17] <fman23> savage: np, btw would u happen to know the cause of my problem?
[23:17] <KM0201> i didn't think about that before
[23:17] <gdea73> I explained my WiFi driver troubles; I had to compile the module manually and that was a complete pain. I'm hoping I won't have to do that.
[23:18] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: when it's a new install... sometimes that the best option... makes everything clean from the start
[23:18]  * KM0201 needs to get better at command line
[23:18] <ThatGuy85> Question for Ubuntu 11.10 using lubuntu. Files that I copy from a usb voice recorder are 10x larger on disk. Total file size: 9.5gb. size on disk 75.7gb
[23:18] <gdea73> though it appears to be that, I'm getting a purple screen again.
[23:18] <gdea73> well... crap.
[23:18] <Loshki> KM0201: the commandline stuff can be tricky, but worth learning, IMHO...
[23:18] <KM0201> yea.
[23:18] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I really think you should try a newer release of Ubuntu... also, make sure you have backports enabled if you are going to continue trying to run older versions of Ubuntu... at least it will help get newer driver and software versions
[23:18] <gdea73> and yet I'm prevented by my extreme hatred for Windows 7 from using Windows at all so I think in the mean time I'll just have to deal.
[23:19] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well I guess, it's just that I honestly don't care about recency of software, I just want something that works. And I love Gnome 2, and have a hard time with all other DE's. Even LXDE doesn't suit my needs just right, and it's far more difficult to configure and customize.
[23:19] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Also, consider one of the other non-unity installs... you can always install your preferred GUI after the fact
[23:20] <gdea73> well I guess, though I may consider trying Arch since I'd have to set up the DE myself anyway.
[23:20] <Mongoose> bought a larger monitor today. Running Natty. How do I change and make the fonts for "Applications Places and System larger to fit the larger screen. Big screen and present font size the size of a tick.
[23:20] <gdea73> if I'm going to have to go DIY, I might as well really DI-myself. Not like LFS, but close :D
[23:20] <pragmaticenigma> I would just try Lubuntu first... you can use apt-get to install Gnome 2 once your up and running
[23:20] <gdea73> always wanted to try LFS, but I figured that might be a waste of my life,
[23:20] <ikonia> gdea73: do you have an ubuntu issue /
[23:20] <ikonia> gdea73: what are you talking about
[23:20] <gdea73> I've tried Lubuntu on some other machines and always had a hard time with installation
[23:20] <gdea73> ikonia: fglrx troubles on my APU based laptop with hybrid graphics.
[23:21] <ikonia> gdea73: right - so how is swapping distros going to fix that ?
[23:21] <gdea73> and furthermore Lubuntu wouldn't recognize my USB printer on my other PC. Ubuntu did so just fine.
[23:21] <heizmann> Hi all, I'm trying to booting (live usb) to an encrypted "squashfs" from USB... I've found this method: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1428720 but "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[23:21] <gdea73> ikonia: it's not necessarily going to
[23:21] <gdea73> but if I'm going to reformat, I might as well try something else/different
[23:21] <ikonia> right - so what are you going on about ?
[23:21] <ikonia> ok - bye then
[23:22] <gdea73> haha I don't mean to dismiss the Ubuntu crowd, well...
[23:22] <ikonia> you're not dismisisng it, you can use what you like
[23:22] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: just so you know... the only difference between Ubuntu and Lubuntu is the DE... everything else should be exactly the same... and DE has nothing to do with Driver support for hardware
[23:22] <ikonia> I just don't think the channel needs to hear about your plans
[23:22] <heizmann> Is it because my initrd.gz doesn't include the cryptsetup program? Or modules non loaded?
[23:22] <heizmann> :-/ casper is nice, but a little bit strong... ^^'
[23:22] <Lirth> I just found an article on Anonymous-OS which is supposed to be based on Ubuntu 11.10. Has anyone tried it out and seen if this is true?
[23:22] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well that's odd, maybe it was because of the USB/chipset used on the other PC. The same printer worked fine under Ubuntu on my new desktop. On the older one (Lubuntu) it isn't recognized at all. But that's a minor issue, I'll fix it later.
[23:23] <gdea73> And I would consider Lubuntu except I like my current Compiz, etc. configuration.
[23:23] <gdea73> I think I'll most likely just reformat using 10.04 or 10.10; just for the sake of fixing fglrx. I won't stray too far from what I was doing. ;)
[23:23] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I'm telling you all that is still possible... your just starting with Lubuntu to get things up and running... the rest can come when you have a stable system
[23:24] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: that's a very valid point. Though in that case I suppose I'd just run 11.10 and then install gnome2 with apt-get from there... oh but I see it would only cause more problems to have Unity when I don't need/want it.
[23:24] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I think your too caught up on the eye-candy to really solve the problem... getting rid of the extras and getting the driver working is why I'm pressing that you try Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[23:24] <ikonia> gdea73: you won't get gnome 2 on 11.10
[23:25] <savage> fman23: I have no clue, sorry
[23:25] <gdea73> ikonia: but if I use X/Lubuntu 11.10, can I?
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: You can install it manually
[23:25] <ikonia> gdea73: no, gnome 2 is dead
[23:25] <gdea73> :/
[23:25] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: ubuntu ships with gtk3
[23:25] <john_doe_jr> does anyone know of software for news groups ? like a news group reader or something like that?
[23:25] <DX099> jrib, hello again
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: It is still possible to get Gnome 2 installed... there are plenty of articles on how to do it
[23:25] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: what repos have it in ?
[23:26] <gdea73> I guess I could try x/lubuntu, it's just that I figure that if it's remotely possible to get fglrx working with the version I'm used to, I might as well keep it that way...?
[23:26] <ikonia> the sooner you let go of gnome 2, the better, it's dead
[23:26] <ikonia> gdea73: lubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu all use the same kernel
[23:26] <gdea73> ikonia: you're speaking to someone using his Win98 laptop with Opera 11 ontop of KernelEx to use IRC.
[23:26] <john_doe_jr> anybody?
[23:26] <gdea73> lol
[23:26] <ikonia> gdea73: sopping the desktop won't make fglrx work
[23:26] <ikonia> gdea73: how has your laptop running window 98 got anything to do with it ?
[23:27] <gdea73> I'm just explaining that I don't like to let go of old software, at least not until it's utterly unusable :D
[23:27] <gdea73> (and old hardware for that matter... I need to clean out my "RAM drawer")
[23:28] <Pasq89> hello guys. anybody knows if there is a bug in getpwuid function? (memory leak)
[23:28] <gdea73> I was just emphasizing that I like to use unsupported hacks to run older software. I like old software, if it works well enough. I always found Win98 worked great, at least on this machine.
[23:28] <gdea73> (well I guess *like* is strong, but *am willing*)
[23:28] <gdea73> well I'm going to reformat and try it right afterward, if I get the same type of problem I suppose I will try X/Lubuntu 11.10. I have a Lubuntu disc as well, so can't hurt to try both.
[23:28] <pragmaticenigma> firealarm ... gotta go
[23:28] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: lol RUN!
[23:29] <gdea73> I'll be AFK for a little while while I install
[23:29] <Pasq89> try Xubuntu first...
[23:29] <heizmann> Hi all, I'm trying to booting (live usb) to an encrypted "squashfs" from USB... I've found this method: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1428720 but "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"... any ideas?
[23:30] <Pasq89> anybody knows if the bug about memory leak still exists in getpwuid? (it turns user id number to username string, as found in passwd)
[23:30] <gdea73> and ikonia, the reason I was considering Arch is the only source I have, a Newegg review, said that WiFi and 3D acceleration / hybrid grahpics were working great after some configuration. That's what sort of inspired me to consider it.
[23:31] <ikonia> gdea73: I'm not really interested, I'm here to help you with ubuntu
[23:31] <ikonia> you can use what you want
[23:32] <gdea73> ikonia: okay, and that's great, I was just explaining what gave me that thought. But if it works on anything Linux hopefully it will work on Ubuntu. Back to finding my CDs...
[23:47]  * pragmaticenigma "and we're back"
[23:48] <dr3mro> hello , will ubuntu start to use wayland on 12.10 ?
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: It's uncertain when wayland will make it's debut... it was supposed to arrive with 11.10
[23:48] <Mongoose> Need to change screen resolution in Natty. Went to System/Preferences but there is no screen resolution. Please help
[23:48] <dr3mro> ubuntu 12.04 has wayland on it's repositories
[23:48] <totesmuhgoats> i thought wayland was far from ready still
[23:48] <DX099> I'm getting a "Not authorized to control networking" with nm-applet on Ubuntu 11.10. How come ?
[23:49] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, which GPU do u have?
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> !natty
[23:49] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, nvidiea?
[23:49] <Mongoose> what is a gpu?
[23:49] <Multbrelch> :)
[23:49] <Mongoose> haha
[23:49] <gdea73> Mongoose: display adapter, graphics card, video card, any combination of those words, really?
[23:49] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, do u have a nvidea graphics card?
[23:49] <gdea73> * didn't intend the question mark.
[23:49] <fman23> gpu= graphics processing unit
[23:50] <gdea73> or that, fman23 lol
[23:50] <Mongoose> ok,,,,
[23:50] <fman23> like a cpu but specializes in geometric transformation
[23:50] <gdea73> What is your computer's make/model? Desktop/laptop?
[23:50] <Mongoose> don;t know,, only one motherboard and what ever is on it
[23:50] <Mongoose> asus,,,
[23:50] <gdea73> is this a custom-built desktop?
[23:50] <Multbrelch> asus wot ...
[23:50] <zooko> Sigh... I feel like giving up. Guess I'll take a break and wrap a birthday present book.
[23:50] <Mongoose> P5G4IC-M
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> zooko: what was your question?
[23:50] <fman23> All of the sudden my file's names were replaced with ECRYPT_FENK_ENCRYPTED.FWYU-<random ascii characters>.  This happened in the middle of an sftp session.  Does anyone know what might have caused this and how i can remedy this without stopping any services running as the user?
[23:50] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, totesmuhgoats i can't wait to see it , I wish I can shutdown without seeing the ugly text on screen .. and i can switch vt without flickering and move windows on screen smoother .. compiz will be rewritten and made as a plugin from wayland and unity is  a plugin for compiz and x will run on compiz to draw the screen
[23:51] <Mongoose> says,,,
[23:51] <Mongoose> intel gma x4500 gpu
[23:51] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: How old is your machine... I do not experience any of those issues with my current setup
[23:51] <fman23> btw, my problem is on ubuntu 11.04 server edition
[23:51] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, this seems to be a motherboard ... - ah, k intel
[23:51] <Mongoose> ok
[23:51] <fman23> i would restart but i cant right now
[23:52] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, about 4 ,, it's 2006 model but i bought it in nov 2007
[23:52] <Mongoose> no other cards on it
[23:52] <gdea73> If I decide to use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, is there a way to use the newer Gnome 2 theme from 10.10 on it? I assume it would be releatively easy. And would it be wiser to use 10.04 than 10.10?
[23:52] <Mongoose> graphic card that is
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: Wayland is unlikely to fix those issues... especially garbage text on boot and shutdown (those are handled by a completly different setup)
[23:52] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, and preferences -> monitors does not work?
[23:52] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, intel dualcore 1.86 /2MB cache vga intel i945 128MB RAM 3GB and HDD 160
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Make sure you enable backports
[23:53] <Mongoose> please hold ,,checking
[23:53] <gdea73> okay.
[23:53] <ikonia> gdea73: I'd suggest not enabling backports
[23:53] <Multbrelch> menu -> preferences ...
[23:53] <Mongoose> ah, there it is
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: The issue is your graphics card... there is limited support
[23:53] <ikonia> you should only use backports if you NEED a back port
[23:53] <Multbrelch> and, Mongoose
[23:53] <Mongoose> should have known
[23:53] <Multbrelch> ?
[23:53] <Mongoose> yes
[23:53] <FuZi0N> Can someone please help me install VMware player in Ubuntu 10.04? I tried downloading it and doing sudo sh VMware-Player-4.0.2-591240.i386.bundle and the install screen comes up and completed completely fine, but when I try and open VMware player, it brings me to a screen asking me to add some files to the "VMware kernal modul updater".
[23:53] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, problem solved ?
[23:53] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, no that waht i read .. wayland will host more than one x session at same time and will control the transition between screen saver , log screen and plymouth and so on
[23:53] <Mongoose> yes Multbrelch, thank you
[23:54] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, so u can change resolution, right ?
[23:54] <Mongoose> yes sir
[23:54] <Multbrelch> :)
[23:54] <Multbrelch> good
[23:54] <Mongoose> :))
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: That's all done in software... you still need the hardware to support all the bells and whistles... the driver support for that chipset on linux is limited... therefore Wayland may not perform any better than X did
[23:54] <Mongoose> your a good man thanks
[23:54] <Multbrelch> all of us
[23:54] <Mongoose> rr
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> i945 does not have hardware acceleration which is what compiz and wayland will require for transitions and other effects
[23:55] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, but right now i can't affort a new hardware or any time soon
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: either disable compiz, or upgrade your hardware
[23:56] <schnuffle> FuZi0N: Did you run vmware-config.pl?
[23:56] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, would you suggest me a laptop model that runs unity fast and be chep
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> I wouldn't suggest running linux on a laptop
[23:56] <ikonia> what ?
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> at least not if you want to be productive
[23:56] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, why /
[23:56] <schnuffle> FuZi0N: Oh the latest doesn't have the tool anymore
[23:57] <psusi> pragmaticenigma, I'm pretty sure it does... it might not be very fast acceleration, but it should be enough for desktop effects
[23:57] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, why ?
[23:57] <Praxi> FuZi0N, does this look like your problem at the top?  http://communities.vmware.com/message/1552802
[23:57] <ikonia> Linux is excellent on laptops that have supported hardware
[23:57] <dr3mro> ikonia, +1
[23:57] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: Key words there... "supported hardware"... do you know how hard it is to find that on a laptop
[23:57] <ikonia> very easy
[23:57] <Multbrelch> There is not much action in this channel here => Ubuntu becomes better and better !!! Good to see ....
[23:58] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, any centrino laptop should work
[23:58] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: I've never owned a laptop that is not fully supported and all my laptops are from main brands,
[23:58] <dr3mro> ikonia, +1
[23:58] <Quantum_Ion> ikonia, Wow I wish I had a Lenovo Thinkpad or a Toshiba laptop
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: I have main branded laptops too and they have had their issues... graphics and wireless in particular....
[23:58] <ikonia> then that's your issue for not checking hardware compatability before buying
[23:58] <schnuffle> expect for the power management
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: this is offtopic anyways... so lets move on
[23:58] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/
[23:59] <Praxi> thats funny I say the exact opposite, every laptop I have ever owned has had some problem with linux, and they are all major brands :)
[23:59] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: it's not offtopic, you're telling the channel nosense about Linux not being productive on laptops,
[23:59] <Quantum_Ion> Praxi, Old laptops work the best with Linux
[23:59] <FuZi0N> yes
[23:59] <FuZi0N> but how can i fix it?
[23:59] <ikonia> what ?
[23:59] <ikonia> stop making things up
[23:59] <dr3mro> my laptop works fine and supported but only i have issue with fn keys that i found a patch to fix it and it didn't fix since 2009 .. and i got a new usb modem that didn't work and i did create udev rule file to make it work .. only issue is memory usage is abit high some times up to 700MB