[12:00] <mosdef100200> Hi there I have thunderbird on linux and i would like to migrate to a new server is there anyway or anyone know of a smooth back up system way thy can think of?


[17:14] <TenLeftFingers_> Ubuntu password dialog doesn't always indicate that CAPS LOCK is pressed. Alt + tabbing fixes it. What should I file against?
[17:29] <Ampelbein> I have a deja-vu.
[17:49] <TenLeftFingers_> Need to reboot.. brb


[05:46] (rathel/#xubuntu) lol The scroll wheel on my mouse scrolls to fast how do I slow it down?
[05:46] (Jester45/#xubuntu) i dont know
[05:46] (Jester45/#xubuntu) it doesnt seem to lively in here right now
[05:47] (Jester45/#xubuntu) im sure its a setting with xorg
[05:47] (rathel/#xubuntu) No it doesn't.
[05:47] <Jester45> google might be your best option right now
[05:47] <rathel> I've been lookin around for the setting, can't find it.
[05:48] <Jester45> i *think* firefox might have a setting but thats for just ff
[05:49] <rathel> It's scrolling by like 20 lines in every application, it's kind of annoying.
[05:50] <Jester45> what mouse it is and what kind of connectors does it have
[05:51] <Catoptromancy> rathel : if that only happens in firefox you can adjust it in "preference"s or "options" menu
[05:52] <Jester45> its all apps
[05:52] <Catoptromancy> hm
[05:53] <Catoptromancy> arr dont remember exact name
[05:53] <Catoptromancy> its adjust in settings menu
[05:53] <Catoptromancy> = ( on linux right now, cant check
[05:55] <rathel> Jester45, sorry, I was reading up online, it's a Microsoft Notebook Wireless USB mouse.
[05:55] <Jester45> i was thinking it was MS
[05:56] <Jester45> my friend has the same thing the wheel is really sensitive
[05:56] <Jester45> im guessing windows ignores it and linux uses every little bit it moves as a movement or it just messed up
[05:57] <Jester45> he has his set up to scroll 3 pages on 1/2 a turn
[05:57] <Jester45> so if you touch it it moves a few lines
[05:58] <rathel> Yeah.
[06:00] <Jester45> i dont like it because it has no resistance to move, i bet if you blew on it hard it would move the wheel
[06:02] <rathel> brb, I think I found a solution have to restartx.
[06:58] <j1mc> anyone here good with printing via cups from xubuntu
[06:58] <j1mc> i'm having problems.  :(
[06:58] <j1mc> eh, it's midnight here.  i should go to bed anyway.
[06:58] <Jester45> yep
[06:58] <j1mc> later, all
[06:58] <Jester45> bye
[06:59] <j1mc> hi Jester45
[06:59] <j1mc> hehe
[06:59] <Jester45> im allways here
[06:59] <j1mc> would you mind helping me?
[06:59] <Jester45> :)
[06:59] <Jester45> idk how much help i would be
[06:59] <j1mc> let me pastebin my config files
[06:59] <j1mc> if that's ok
[06:59] <Jester45> sure
[07:01] <j1mc> http://pastebin.ca/664093
[07:02] <j1mc> there's the first one.  that's my server
[07:03] <j1mc> and i used these instructions: http://20six.co.uk/jabolins/art/14803150
[07:03] <j1mc> http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/INSTALL
[07:03] <j1mc> i have an hp 1020
[07:03] <j1mc> Jester45: are you vincent?  do you run the xubuntu blog?
[07:03] <Jester45> no
[07:03] <j1mc> ok
[07:03] <j1mc> :)
[07:04] <Jester45> yep, just as i thought i know nothing about cups
[07:04] <Jester45> why not just use the printer gui
[07:04] <j1mc> i'm trying to use the printer gui
[07:04] <j1mc> but you need to set up some stuff in cups first
[07:05] <j1mc> and the server itself doesn't have a gui
[07:05] <j1mc> i'm using the webmin-like interface of the server, though...
[07:05] <j1mc> it's apparently not helping much.  :)
[07:06] <j1mc> ah, well.  thanks for giving it a try, Jester45 :)
[07:06] <j1mc> i might give that up and just try to get everything installed locally.
[07:06] <Jester45> you could do that
[07:06] <j1mc> i don't really need network printing that bad.
[07:06] <Jester45> then copy the config
[07:08] <Jester45> web ui's suck when the server load is high
[07:08] <j1mc> eh, it's just my home server
[07:08] <j1mc> 1 user :)
[07:08] <Jester45> im taking about my own server
[07:09] <j1mc> 00:09:21 up 16 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.03
[07:09] <Jester45> its converting videos
[07:09] <Jester45> lol
[07:09] <j1mc> i thought rebooting would help.  i had 17 days uptime.  heh.  (that's a lot for me considering i don't use the server too much)
[07:10] <j1mc> ok, well, i'm off.  have a good night, Jester45
[07:11] <Jester45> 01:09:32 up 20 days, 13:47,  7 users,  load average: 6.66, 6.05, 4.69
[07:11] <Jester45> night
[07:11] <j1mc> heh.
[07:11] <j1mc> later
[07:11] <Jester45> i wish i got under 1.0
[07:52] <bart_17> what is a good irc client i can use in xubuntu?
[07:58] <Jester45> xchat
[07:58] <Jester45> irssi
[07:58] <bart_17> how do i get that??
[07:58] <Jester45> apt-get install xchat
[07:59] <Jester45> run that in a terminal
[07:59] <Jester45> o and you need to be root so add sudo in front
[08:00] <bart_17> i just installed xubuntu on my laptop and i just getting things configured...
[08:00] <bart_17> thanx
[08:04] <bart_17> i'm a noob..
[08:04] <bart_17> i did that already.. where do i find it?
[08:05] <Jester45> menu -> network -> xchat
[08:05] <Jester45> or run xchat in the terminal
[08:06] <bart_17> thanx jester
[08:07] <Jester45> np
[08:07] <Jester45> got anymore questions?
[08:07] <Jester45> im about to go to bed
[08:07] <bart_17> how do i add it to the menu??
[08:08] <Jester45> it should be in the menu
[08:08] <bart_17> its not...
[08:08] <bart_17> it is now/...
[08:08] <Jester45> try again
[08:08] <Jester45> it takes a bit after a package is installed to show up
[08:08] <bart_17> i can't get my desktop to go over 800X600
[08:09] <Jester45> the menu only checks for new things every few minutes
[08:09] <Jester45> what video card
[08:09] <Jester45> and is this a laptop or desktop
[08:10] <bart_17> laptop, ati radeon xpress 200m
[08:10] <Jester45> if it is a laptop is it older or new
[08:11] <bart_17> new.. its a asus a6rp
[08:12] <bart_17> i don't also have sound
[08:13] <Jester45> try
[08:13] <Jester45> menu -> system -> restricted device manager
[08:13] <Jester45> and see if you need any thing
[08:14] <bart_17> i installed the restricted driver already
[08:14] <Jester45> have you shutdown yet?
[08:14] <Jester45> if not then open a termina
[08:14] <Jester45> l
[08:15] <Jester45> and run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:15] <Jester45> it will stop everything
[08:15] <Jester45> so save your work first
[08:16] <bart_17> i restarted already.. twice
[08:16] <Jester45> humm
[08:17] <Jester45> maybe try coming back later, if you can leave your computer on someone that knows might look and know the way to fix it
[08:17] <bart_17> ok.. thanx i'll do that
[08:18] <bart_17> goodnight.. its just 2pm here
[08:18] <Jester45> if you cant maybe they will read what im saying now and tell me so when you get back on i can tell you
[08:19] <bart_17> ok thanx.. i'll just wait here... i have nothing else to do.. i'll just download and install some software
[08:21] <bart_17> btw, how do you format removable devices in linux?
[08:27] <Jester45> like a usb drive?
[08:27] <Jester45> i wouldnt format unless its a disk version or you really need to
[08:43] <bart_17> yeah like a usb flash drive or hd
[08:43] <bart_17> i have a usb hd formatted in ntfs.. i can't write to ntfs ryt?
[08:44] <kalikiana_> bart_17, You can use ntfs3g if you trust it ;)
[08:45] <bart_17> do you trust it?
[08:46] <bart_17> do you have an external drive?
[08:46] <Jester45> ntfs3g is a driver so linux can use ntfs
[08:46] <bart_17> is it any good?
[08:46] <Jester45> i would format because ntfs sucks
[08:47] <bart_17> how would i format it? its a 60gb usbhd, i want to format it but i want to use it as well as on my windows machine
[08:48] <Jester45> a good ext3 or reiserFSv4 would be much better
[08:48] <bart_17> would i be able to use that format in windows?
[08:48] <Jester45> you can use ext
[08:49] <Jester45> if you want to use it in windows
[08:49] <Jester45> ntfs would probly be best
[08:49] <Jester45> and you wouldnt have to format
[08:49] <bart_17> ok, thanx. but i still want to know how to format in linux
[08:51] <Jester45> gparted works
[08:51] <Jester45> but it does use some gnome libs
[08:56] <bart_17> ok
[09:38] <rathel> How do I change the sensitivity on my Scroll Wheel?
[10:13] <lnx> how i can run alt + f2 to open "run command" from xfwm4 ?
[11:08] <Catoptromancy> do I find screensavers "not installed" from screensaver list?
[11:08] <Catoptromancy> apt-cache search finds nothing relevant
[11:08] <Catoptromancy> there should be a button "download all listed screensavers"
[12:04] <gabii> how do i install alsa driver, lib and utils
[12:13] <gabii> how do i install alsa driver, lib and utils??
[12:20] <gabii> hey the sheep
[12:21] <bart_17> hey hyper_ch
[12:22] <Pumpernickel> !info xscreensaver-data-extra | Catoptromancy
[12:22] <ubotu> catoptromancy: xscreensaver-data-extra: data files to be shared among screensaver frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.24-5ubuntu2.1 (feisty), package size 2754 kB, installed size 7384 kB
[12:22] <Pumpernickel> !info xscreensaver-gl-extra | Catoptromancy
[12:22] <ubotu> catoptromancy: xscreensaver-gl-extra: GL(Mesa) screen hacks for xscreensaver. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.24-5ubuntu2.1 (feisty), package size 1726 kB, installed size 4540 kB
[12:23] <Pumpernickel> bart_17: 1.  Don't ping random people.  2.  Those are usually pre-installed.
[12:43] <macsim> hi, what's the better way to launch applications at xfce4 statup ? (.Xsession ?)
[12:45] <m0u5e> macsim: you can save your session, or you can add it to the autostart application list
[12:45] <m0u5e> applications>settings>auto started applications
[12:45] <macsim> thx m0u5e
[12:45] <m0u5e> macsim: np :)
[12:48] <macsim> a last one ;) openoffice quick start doen't seams to be avalable I forgot to install something or it's normal ?
[12:48] <m0u5e> you mean like the quicklauncher?
[12:48] <macsim> yes
[12:48] <m0u5e> macsim: hmm check the repost? you probably need to download that seperately (i dont see it on mine either)
[12:49] <m0u5e> macsim: its very possible that there just isnt a linux version... but check first :D
[12:50] <macsim> m0u5e, ok thanks ;)
[12:51] <m0u5e> imacsim: i see one for kde... dunno about gnome
[12:51] <m0u5e> macsim*
[12:51] <macsim> m0u5e, I seen it for kde but I'll not try to load any kde things on my poor laptop ;)
[12:52] <m0u5e> wait, are you talking about the quickstarter tray, or just a gui quickstarter with links to all oo applications?
[12:52] <macsim> quickstarter tray
[12:52] <m0u5e> cause if your talking about the quicstarter tray, it should come standard with oo
[12:52] <m0u5e> its an option...
[12:52] <m0u5e> lemme check..
[12:52] <macsim> m0u5e, is but it's not avalable
[12:52] <m0u5e> yeah, you already have it, you just need to enable it :D
[12:52] <macsim> m0u5e, no I can't
[12:53] <macsim> let me do a screenshot
[12:53] <m0u5e> oh i see
[12:53] <m0u5e> its greyed out :X
[12:53] <m0u5e> hrm.....
[12:53] <macsim> m0u5e, yes you seen what I mean now ;)
[12:56] <m0u5e> hmm how bout openoffice.org-gtk ?
[12:56] <m0u5e> it says theres a quicklauncher inside
[12:57] <macsim> I install it imediatly ;)
[12:57] <m0u5e> does it work? :D
[12:57] <macsim> m0u5e, brillant ;) thx a lot mate
[12:58] <m0u5e> np dude heh
[12:59] <m0u5e> just wish more people would use xubuntu :)
[01:01] <macsim> m0u5e, I will blog this tips because it's easy to found ;)
[01:02] <m0u5e> macsim spread the joy :D
[05:44] <infbliss> how do i get cleartype fonts on xubuntu
[05:50] <j1mc> hi nixternal
[05:50] <j1mc> do you have any xubuntu questions that you need help with?
[05:50] <nixternal> howdy
[05:52] <nixternal> can't say that I do :D
[05:52] <j1mc> nixternal: sudo apt-get automatix dist-upgrade.sources.list.exe.net
[05:52] <j1mc> ;-)
[05:52] <nixternal> ouch
[05:52] <j1mc> we provide good user support in #xubuntu
[05:55] <vidd> wtf....did i miss something???
[05:56] <j1mc> just joking with nixternal
[06:54] <emdash> i've noticed lately that rubber band selection doesn't work on the desktop any more
[06:55] <emdash> is there an option to disable it that i may have accidentally hit?
[06:55] <emdash> or have I found a bug?
[06:55] <emdash> it still works in thunar windows, just not on the desktop
[06:57] <Ktron> Questions about xubuntu tribe 4 beling in xubuntu-dev, right?
[07:11] <Thunderman> Xubuntu 7.04 didn't work after restarting. I update it and retarted, then it said that GKD is missing or something like that
[07:11] <Thunderman> *restarted
[07:12] <kek> hello, I have a problem with my wifi card. I just installed xubuntu and plugged the card (asus wl-167g usb stick, should have a ralink rt2500 chipset) in. I used the network manager to configure it to connect to my wireless network but it won't connect. iwconfig does show the correct mac address for the AP however. can't ping the router. any takers?
[07:22] <vidd> kek is the wap
[07:22] <vidd> *it
[07:22] <kek> sorry?
[07:22] <cjae> what is a wap
[07:23] <vidd> what kind of wireless security do you use?
[07:23] <Thunderman> Wireless Application Protocol = WAP
[07:23] <kek> none atm, I'm in the middle of nowhere..
[07:23] <cjae> isnt it wep and wpa
[07:23] <cjae> oh right'
[07:24] <vidd> cjae, it was a typo
[07:24] <cjae> wep = blows right
[07:25] <cjae> sorry for eavesdropping curious
[07:25] <vidd> kek you verified your router settings?
[07:26] <vidd> your symptoms indicate that you are connecting to the router but do not have permission from the router to pass data....
[07:26] <kek> it should not have any restrictions, no mac filtering etc. or what are you thinking?
[07:26] <vidd> if you dont have wpa or wep, then look at mac filtering
[07:26] <kek> maybe it needs me to specify a channel?
[07:27] <vidd> are you using a static or dhcp ip?
[07:27] <kek> dhcp
[07:28] <vidd> then the channel auto selected should be good
[07:29] <kek> in ubuntu, there is a dropdown list of available connections where you enter the essid, don't see any networks under there in xubuntu, only an empty dropdown
[07:30] <vidd> try setting up with a static ip
[07:31] <kek> okay, will try. and how do I check the mac address of the wifi card itself? so I can check my router
[07:32] <vidd> kek if you turn off mac filtering it should not matter
[07:32] <vidd> but ifconfig will tell you the mac address of the eth card
[07:33] <kek> from the router I see some other card besides mine but I have 4 laptops that can be connected and I don't know which one the on is that I see
[07:33] <kek> maybe it's just very bad reception?
[07:33] <kek> I'm not next to the router
[07:33] <vidd> could be
[07:34] <kek> hm, when I had that card under windows, it worked fine from where it is now
[07:34] <kek> I'll try to move the comp nearer to the router
[07:34] <kstr> Is it possible to move my entire linux installation to another hard drive? How can i daoit?
[07:36] <vidd> it is possible...but i dont recomend it
[07:37] <kstr> the problem is that i'm lacking hard drive space... is moving the 'home' recommended?
[07:38] <vidd> yes....
[07:39] <kstr> how can i do that?
[07:39] <vidd> there are a few ways to do it
[07:40] <vidd> one isto  get your live cd running with the old hard drive and the new hard drive
[07:41] <vidd> prepare the new hard drive partitions....
[07:42] <vidd> cpy the /home directory from the old drive to the new drive on its own partition (this is critical)
[07:43] <BFTD> I ran out of space on root, what should I remove to make more space?
[07:43] <kstr> the home dir in just on a ext3 type pertition?
[07:44] <vidd> remove the old drive, install on the new drive and enable the /home directory
[07:44] <vidd> yes
[07:45] <kstr> how can i enable the /home dir?
[07:46] <vidd> during the install process, you choose the partitioning
[07:46] <vidd> the default is to set eveything on one partition
[07:47] <kstr> ok
[07:47] <vidd> instead, you set it up using more then one partition
[07:47] <kstr> can it be altered without installing again?
[07:48] <vidd> you need to do the install on the new drive
[07:48] <kstr> oh
[07:49] <vidd> you CAN try what i said with the ENTIRE ols drive to the new....but i wont guarentee it will boot
[07:49] <kstr> i see
[07:49] <vidd> the install process sets up the MBR so the system knows that the drive is bootable
[07:50] <kstr> well the other disk had debian on it (just command line)
[07:51] <vidd> why not just add the second drive as a second drive?
[07:52] <kstr> Is it correct to say that i could make a new partition on the second drive and set it up as my home dir
[07:52] <hyper_ch> kstr: yes
[07:52] <kstr> then how would i 'tell' ubuntu where my home dir is
[07:53] <kek> vidd, thanks for your time. it was the poor reception after all..
[07:53] <J_P> hi all
[07:54] <J_P> people, xubuntu use XFCE right ? And XFCE is write using gtk too ?
[07:54] <vidd> kek glad to hear it
[07:54] <hyper_ch> kstr: /etc/fstab
[07:54] <kstr> oh
[07:55] <J_P> ??
[07:55] <hyper_ch> kstr: but first you need to copy your current /home stuff on it
[07:56] <hyper_ch> kstr: (1) copy stuff:    sudo cp -Rp /home/* /new/partition/
[07:56] <hyper_ch> kstr: (2) sudo mount /new/partition /home
[07:57] <hyper_ch> kstr: (3) check if everything looks ok
[07:57] <kstr> oh ok mount it to /home... sounds logical
[07:57] <kstr> i'l  try that
[07:58] <vidd> kstr, wait
[07:58] <hyper_ch> (4) edit fstab:  sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:58] <vidd> get all the instructions first
[07:59] <hyper_ch> and add an entry like:   /new/partition /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[07:59] <hyper_ch> (5) exit nano by pressing   ctrl-x
[07:59] <hyper_ch> (6) press "y" for saving/overwriting the existing fstab
[07:59] <hyper_ch> (7) reboot
[07:59] <hyper_ch> actually wait
[08:00] <hyper_ch> before altering the fstab, make a copy of it
[08:00] <kstr> ok
[08:00] <hyper_ch> sudo cp fstab fstab_old
[08:00] <hyper_ch> in case something is not working, you just copy the old one back and reboot
[08:00] <hyper_ch> I mean if you get no gui and stuff :)
[08:01] <kstr> ok
[08:02] <hyper_ch> kstr: the terminal should start or then using the live cd to access and copy back the old one
[08:02] <hyper_ch> kstr: or something like this... just make sure you have a backup :)
[08:02] <kstr> i will
[08:02] <kstr> thanks a lot
[08:03] <hyper_ch> and once you rebooted, do:   df -l   --> it will show you where each partition is mounted to :)
[08:05] <kstr> do the existing uuid change when i add a partition to a disk?
[08:06] <hyper_ch> no they shouldn't... only if the existing partitions are being altered, like shrinked or enlarged
[08:06] <hyper_ch> but I don't know for sure
[08:07] <kstr> i shrunk an existing partition to make room for the new one...  I'll check in ls /dev/disk/byuuid -lah right?
[08:07] <hyper_ch> !uuid
[08:07] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[08:08] <hyper_ch> !uuid | kstr
[08:08] <ubotu> kstr: please see above
[08:11] <kstr> oh your way is much quicker
[08:13] <cjae> amphetamine ...wt*
[08:13] <cjae> why does it install to /etc/
[08:14] <cjae> supposed to be a 2D game I think
[08:26] <kstr> hyper: ru still here?
[08:28] <kstr>  i tried sudo cp -Rp /home/* /dev/sda3 and it says something like "cannot overwrite"
[08:30] <rici> kstr: /dev/sda3 is not a filesystem
[08:30] <kstr> sorry?
[08:42] <kstr> sudo got to go /bye
[08:48] <Jester45> does anyone know how to make the settings i make in xvidtune stay after a X restart
[08:48] <Jester45> s
[09:10] <Merchelo> hai again
[09:11] <Jester45> hi
[09:33] <cjae_> is there issues with joystick calibrator?
[09:34] <pleia2> FYI - aoirthoir39 evaded my ban in #ubuntu-pennsylvania
[09:34] <pleia2> errr
[09:35] <pleia2> wow, wrong channel
[09:35] <pleia2> sorry
[10:35] <Pres-Gas> So, is the main support traffic happening in regular ubuntu?
[10:36] <hyper_ch> Pres-Gas: ?
[10:39] <Pres-Gas> hyper_ch, there is not alot of traffic here, just wondering if the activity is in ubuntu?
[10:39] <pleia2> there are a lot more people in #ubuntu, so yes, more traffic there
[10:40] <pleia2> not as many people use xubuntu
[10:40] <Pres-Gas> I figured as much
[10:40] <hyper_ch> Pres-Gas: well, TheSheep does generally such a great support that no questiosn will be unanswered and people leave again ;)
[10:42] <Pres-Gas> Well, then, time to hang out....you know, just incase a problem comes up...then I will leave
[10:43] <hyper_ch> Pres-Gas: I have one :)
[10:43] <Pres-Gas> oops...time to leave
[10:43] <Pres-Gas> ;)
[10:43] <hyper_ch> Pres-Gas: oh :(
[10:44] <Pres-Gas> jk
[10:45] <Merchelo> how do i run files which end in .x86 and  .run ?
[10:46] <hyper_ch> Pres-Gas: can you give me a faster computer and a notebook?
[10:46] <hyper_ch> Pres-Gas: ;)
[10:46] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: what are you trying to do?
[10:46] <Pres-Gas> Me first
[10:46] <Merchelo> just run them, one is to update a program, the other is to run the program, i don't have a clue how to run them from the terminal
[10:50] <Merchelo> it's ok, gottit, ./*.x86
[10:51] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: doy ou know what you are doing?
[10:52] <Merchelo> yeah, it's been some time, but i think it's all coming back to me, just like the Jason Bourne Film :o
[10:57] <lnx_> how i can add "force exit" icon to the panel ?
[11:02] <lnx_> how i can add "force exit" icon to the panel ?
[11:05] <LuisHenrique> hello! Is what the best mirror of download?
[11:06] <Merchelo> the one closest to you
[11:08] <Merchelo> i'd go for the OZ one, or holland one
[11:13] <rathel> How do I change the sensitivity on my Scroll wheel?
[11:20] <lnx_> how i can add borders to the taskbar windows ?
[11:22] <ziaIs> lnx_ : try right clicking your taskbar and going in its properties
[11:22] <ziaIs> and try unchecking the "use flat buttons" option
[11:25] <lnx_> ziaIs , yea thanks
[11:25] <lnx_> how i can add "force exit" icon to the panel ?
[11:27] <zials> you mean an icon that allows you to close an unresponsive application?
[11:28] <lnx_> zials , yes , when i click it it will say " click on the aplication you want to close "
[11:28] <zials> not sure about an icon... but you can use ctrl + alt + esc
[11:28] <rathel> How do I change the sensitivity on my scroll wheel?
[11:30] <lnx_> zials , i had it in gnome iits was icon of broken window
[11:32] <zials> lnx_ - I know, but I haven't seen one in XFCE
[11:33] <lnx_> :( its was one of my favorite ( this the weather and the fish )
[11:34] <Jester45> you can use gnome panel plugins with xfce i forgot the package name
[11:34] <Jester45> but it also uses a lot og gnome's lib so you will lose a lot of xfce's speed
[11:35] <lnx_> Jester45 , if that is the state i prefer not to use them
[11:36] <zials> three keys isn't too hard to type is it ;)
[11:36] <lnx_> zials , wich keys ?
[11:36] <zials> ctrl alt esc
[11:37] <lnx_> zials , great that is what i look for
[11:37] <zials> I said the command earlier O.o
[11:39] <lnx_> i can change the shortcut keys ? [ to ctrl + alt + del ]  ?
[11:40] <zials> yea...
[11:40] <zials> or, I think so
[11:40] <zials> come to think of it, you can add it to the panel if you want...
[11:41] <zials> yea, heh.. you want it on a panel?
[11:41] <zials> right click on panel -> add new item -> Launcher
[11:42] <zials> You can give whatever name/description/icon you want..
[11:42] <zials> the command is: xkill
[11:43] <lnx_> zials , yes its work thanks
[11:48] <lnx> i can unselect the files name that are on the dekstop ?
[12:01] <bobovski_> hi all. I've got a network puzzler. My laptop runnin xubuntu 7.04 cannot stay connected at work via a wired connection. Works fine at home. Is it necessarily the fault of the server at work?
[12:02] <vidd> bobovski_, it could be....
[12:03] <vidd> do you get a dhcp connection at work?
[12:03] <bobovski_> vidd: yes
[12:03] <bobovski_> I have to disable and enable the wired connection in the network manager, and it mostly connects. sometimes not
[12:04] <bobovski_> Might it be something simple like diabling ipv6 globally?
[12:04] <bobovski_> if the server didn't recognize ipv6...would I be able to connect at all?
[12:04] <vidd> you have ipv6 enabled???
[12:04] <bobovski_> indeed, no choice of mine, mind you
[12:05] <bobovski_> I noticed on dmesg that it was searchinf for ipv6 connections
[12:05] <hyper_ch> iiiieeks... ipv6
[12:05] <vidd> your client should know that the server does not handle ipv6 and use ipv4 automatically
[12:05] <bobovski_> yeah, I had a problem with dns resolution on my home machine and stopping ipv6 worked there...was curious if that would lead to these symptoms on the laptop
[12:06] <bobovski_> vidd, hurm. In the hosts section of the network manager it lists all ipv6 stuff
[12:06] <vidd> it should also list ipv4 stuff
[12:07] <bobovski_> I have the laptop at home now connection working fine. lat me chack ethe network manager
[12:07] <vidd> idk if there is a way to force ipv4
[12:07] <bobovski_> everything says ip6
[12:07] <bobovski_> vidd, there is a way to do it
[12:08] <vidd> then @ work, run that command
[12:08] <bobovski_> I will, but I was curious to know if anyone else had a fix or an idea if that doesn't work
[12:08] <vidd> windows only network @ work?
[12:09] <bobovski_> nope, we have sun machines, windows and linux all running
[12:11] <bobovski_> here's the real kicker. The laptop was connected fine, then the IT guys enabled a second ethernet port in my office. Now my laptop won't stay connected through either port
[12:12] <vidd> sounds like a routing issue
[12:12] <vidd> problem with the port...maybe a loose wire
[12:12] <bobovski_> on both ports? INcluding the one that worked fine before?
[12:13] <bobovski_> or does a loose wire in one port affect all of them?
[12:13] <vidd> if they spliced that port...yeah
[12:13] <bobovski_> nah, these ports are distinct. Pre-wired
[12:13] <bobovski_> aas far as I know in the office anyway.
[12:14] <vidd> well...you said they made one port into two...
[12:14] <bobovski_> no, I said they enabled a second ethernet port
[12:14] <bobovski_> there are bunches of ports all over the office, some were disabled
[12:14] <vidd> ah...i misunderstood
[12:14] <bobovski_> no worries
[12:15] <bobovski_> think that might have something to do with it?
[12:15] <vidd> yeah....
[12:15] <bobovski_> bummer hehe cause if it's a server side issue it'll never get fixed
[12:16] <vidd> if the IT guys messed up the port jacks, that will cause all kinds of issues
[12:17] <vidd> first thing i would do is run that command to disable ipv6
[12:17] <bobovski_> yeah, that's a start
[12:17] <bobovski_> xubuntu doesn't auto update or anything without notification right?
[12:18] <vidd> not unless you make it
[12:18] <bobovski_> hurm. The ipv6 thing is a long shot, though, as the connection was fine before the second port was enabled
[12:21] <bobovski_> yah, me too. Well, in an office adjacent to mine, there are more ports. I will try those and see what's what. I will also ask others if they can connect in my office
[12:21] <bobovski_> thanks for the insight, appreciate yer time
[12:25] <lnx> i can open links ( files , folders ) in one click ( like KDE ) ?
[12:37] <zials> lnx - yes you can
[12:37] <zials> in thunar: edit -> preferences -> 'behaviour' tab
[12:39] <kekk> any place you can set custom keyboard shortcuts?
[12:44] <Jester45> kekk, menu -> settings -> keyboard settings -> shortcuts -> add
[12:44] <kekk> thanks
[12:44] <Jester45> you can to make a new list of shortcuts then add new ones to that
[12:45] <hyper_ch> !oss
[12:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:45] <hyper_ch> !alsa
[12:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:45] <Jester45> it will copy the defualt shortcuts to the new list
[12:53] <kekk> ok
[12:57] <bart_17> hey jester
[12:58] <Jester45> hi
[12:58] <bart_17> i found several pages that would help my sound problem but i don't understand it
[12:59] <bart_17> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251383
[01:01] <Jester45> told ya i would still be here
[01:02] <bart_17> yeah but i don't seem to understand it... is there an easier way to install alsa?
[01:03] <Jester45> its installed by defualt
[01:03] <lnx> someone know how i can run thunder bird with a command ?
[01:03] <Jester45> but i havent looked at the lin
[01:03] <Jester45> you might need a new version or something not in the repos
[01:03] <Jester45> lnx, try mozilla-thunderbird
[01:04] <lnx> Jester45 , work :)
[01:06] <Jester45> your welcome
[01:06] <bart_17> i have this eror when i do the first step in the guide, what does it mean?checking for gcc... gcc
[01:06] <bart_17> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:06] <bart_17> See `config.log' for more details.
[01:07] <bart_17> how do i check f alsa is installe in my system?
[01:07] <lnx> and what is the command to run terminal ?
[01:07] <Jester45> bart_17, there is a newer version in the repos
[01:07] <kekk> I've seen that error before
[01:08] <Jester45> your trying to compile an older version
[01:08] <Jester45> lnx, Terminal
[01:08] <Jester45> with the T not a 't'
[01:08] <Jester45> or xfce4-terminal
[01:09] <lnx> Jester45 , how i can know the command to run every application that i have in the menu instead to ask about every command ?
[01:09] <Jester45> look for it in /usr/bin /usr/sbin or guess
[01:10] <Jester45> many are easy like firefox is firefox
[01:10] <bart_17> ok.. so how do i install it?
[01:10] <Jester45> bart_17, run dpkg -l |grep alsa


[01:09] <xivulon> cjwatson I can reproduce the problem in grub-emu, now I need to understand how to get debugging info
[02:10] <CIA-33> ubiquity: shtylman * r3471 trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): shift keys on keyboard display
[10:01] <kim0> Hi there ... I have the following line in my preseed
[10:01] <kim0> d-i pkgsel/include string ubuntu-xen-server virtualbox-3.0 dkms build-essential openssh-server iperf netperf bmon xfsprogs lvm2 xfsdump kpartx drbd8-utils drbd-dkms linux-headers-2.6.24-24-xen linux-headers-2.6.24-24 linux-headers-2.6.24-24-generic
[10:01] <kim0> that last pkg ... (linux-headers-2.6.24-24-generic) is causing an error
[10:02] <kim0> couldn't find package   linux-headers-2.6.24-24-genericdi
[10:02] <kim0> I dont know why this last "di" has been appended !
[10:03] <kim0> or if it's only something in the log
[10:03] <kim0> I believe I already have that package on the cd though
[11:14] <davmor2> cjwatson: is there anything I can do to access the wubi install to get logs etc everything I have tried has fallen down horrible :(
[14:14] <pmatulis> with the jaunty live cd, is it possible to install to external usb drive with grub also on external drive?
[14:14] <cjwatson> it should be *possible* but this is a standard area of difficulty
[14:14] <pmatulis> cjwatson: so currently not implemented?  or is there a bug?
[14:14] <cjwatson> if it doesn't work out of the box (which I think it will sometimes) you may need to edit /boot/grub/device.map and rerun grub-install
[14:15] <cjwatson> it's historically difficult to get grub to work 100% of the time with multiple disks
[14:15] <cjwatson> it depends on BIOS boot order in confusing ways
[14:15] <cjwatson> the problems are basically unfixable with grub1 but we're working on them in grub2
[14:15] <cjwatson> with jaunty, I suggest trying it and seeing what breaks :-) It should make a stab at it
[14:16] <pmatulis> ok, was about to ask about grub2
[14:16] <pmatulis> thanks
[14:41] <cjwatson> davmor2: well, I've reproduced your detection bug locally, at least. unfortunately I rebooted before I thought to investigate ...
[14:41] <cjwatson> but that should make it rather easier to fix
[14:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: this is for wubi yes?
[14:42] <cjwatson> no
[14:42] <cjwatson> just straightforward install, didn't detect vista or my other ubuntu installation
[14:42] <davmor2> ah this is for side-by-side then
[15:03] <cjwatson> just out of curiosity, whatever happened to the stock icons for Quit/Back/Forward in ubiquity?
[15:04] <davmor2> cjwatson: by the way clonezilla is excellent for backing up ntfs partitions
[15:05] <davmor2> cjwatson: pass evand would be the one to ask.  It's only had text for the majority of the release as far as I can remember
[15:23] <cjwatson> davmor2: hmm, this is odd, I could have sworn that we'd tested this with an additional /sys mount while running grub-installer
[15:23] <cjwatson> davmor2: but I reproduced the problem, then mounted /sys and that fixed it
[15:25] <davmor2> Yay
[15:25] <davmor2> so that might get fixed then?
[15:25] <cjwatson> yeah, that much is trivial to fix
[15:25] <cjwatson> I think I also see why our attempts to get more log information were vanishing into black holes, maybe
[15:26]  * cjwatson runs out for half an hour
[15:26]  * davmor2 hands cjwatson some better batteries for when he starts back up :)
[15:58] <tjaalton> is it possible to use both a kickseed for stuff it supports, and preseed for rest?
[16:00] <cjwatson> yep, absolutely
[16:00] <cjwatson> use the Ubuntu 'preseed' command extension in your Kickstart file
[16:01] <tjaalton> cjwatson: nice, thanks
[16:01] <tjaalton> I'm hating Altiris already..
[16:09] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3472 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[16:09] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Mount /sys while running grub-installer, since os-prober needs to look
[16:09] <CIA-33> ubiquity: in /sys/block (LP: #430141).
[16:14] <CIA-33> grub-installer: cjwatson * r811 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): grub_write_divider is specific to GRUB Legacy; don't call it for GRUB 2.
[16:17] <CIA-33> grub-installer: cjwatson * r812 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.43ubuntu3
[16:17] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'll try that out tomorrow then see if we can cross that one off the list :)
[16:18]  * davmor2 wonders if that might fix wubi too we'll find out tomorrow
[16:20] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r691 trunk/debian/casper.install: consistent whitespace
[16:20] <cjwatson> davmor2: can you just elaborate briefly on what's wrong with wubi for you?
[16:21] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r692 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Tell mkinitramfs that casper needs usplash (LP: #434980).
[16:21] <davmor2> I wrote a fresh bug for it I'll get the number in a second.   Basically only the memtest options show up in grub menu.  However they point to the wrong place so they do nothing.
[16:22] <cjwatson> I didn't notice that they were in the wrong place, but I've already fixed the fact that they're the only things that show up
[16:22] <cjwatson> lupin 0.24
[16:22] <davmor2> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/435153
[16:25] <davmor2> burns a fresh cd to see what version of lupin is on it
[16:32] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r715 ubuntu/debian/ (13 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 72
[16:36] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r716 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 72ubuntu1
[16:44] <davmor2> cjwatson: right lupin-casper0.24 is in today's iso so I'm just running wubi now I'll let you know in a minute :)
[16:45] <cjwatson> davmor2: now, the CD still has an old wubi binary
[16:45] <cjwatson> so it won't actually *work*
[16:46] <cjwatson> as in it almost certainly won't be able to boot Ubuntu
[16:46] <cjwatson> but it should have the menu entries ...
[16:46] <davmor2> okay
[16:46] <cjwatson> I mailed Evan yesterday evening about getting it upgraded
[16:47] <cjwatson> I haven't seen him today though
[16:47] <davmor2> cjwatson: did you mail xivulon too?
[16:47] <cjwatson> yes
[16:47] <davmor2> cool :)
[16:47] <cjwatson> Evan does the builds that actually land on the CD though
[16:47] <cjwatson> xivulon has some other bug that I can't reproduce
[16:47] <davmor2> ah okay
[16:48] <davmor2> no I don't think I could either
[16:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: I seem to be in grub's shell
[17:01] <cjwatson> what does it say?
[17:03] <CIA-33> usb-creator: rgreening * r218 trunk/ (debian/changelog usbcreator/backends/devicekit/backend.py): In devicekit backend, ensure mount is empty string '' rather than empty dbus.Array to prevent crashes in os.statvfs from misc.py
[17:06] <davmor2> cjwatson: no error just the grub shell
[17:08] <davmor2> cjwatson: top of the screen starts Gnu Grub version 1.97~beta2 and then carries on with a description of the shell
[17:13] <davmor2> cjwatson: wait for evands fix to go in and we'll see what happens then :)
[17:20] <cjwatson> davmor2: right, that means it's an old grub and there's no point investigating further for now
[17:20] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r379 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Use DMI information if possible to determine memory size (LP: #413135).
[17:21] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's
[17:24] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r380 ubuntu/dmi-available-memory.c: fix comment
[17:25] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r381 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.101ubuntu5
[17:32] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3473 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.install-i386):
[17:32] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Install new dmi-available-memory program from base-installer
[17:32] <CIA-33> ubiquity: 1.101ubuntu5.
[17:34] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3474 ubiquity/debian/ (3 files): Don't respawn Upstart jobs on exit status 1.
[17:37] <davmor2> cjwatson: todays alternate is crashing on setting up base install.  debootstrap issue bug 435376  is this an app issue or something more serious?
[17:38] <cjwatson> hmm
[17:38] <cjwatson> I'll have a look, thanks
[17:38] <davmor2> do you need any more of the logs?
[17:39] <cjwatson> shouldn't, thanks
[17:40] <cjwatson> ah, need to merge base-installer 1.102
[17:41]  * cjwatson <- careless, apparently
[17:42] <davmor2> cjwatson: no surely not, it must of been the evil package stealing monkey you know it's always his fault ;)
[17:46] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r382 ubuntu/ (11 files in 5 dirs): merge from Debian 1.102
[17:50] <CIA-33> base-installer: cjwatson * r383 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.102ubuntu1
[23:02] <CIA-33> tasksel: cjwatson * r1420 ubuntu/ (10 files in 2 dirs):
[23:02] <CIA-33> tasksel: Update Ubuntu tasks from seeds, adding edubuntu-dvd-live,
[23:02] <CIA-33> tasksel: ubuntu-edu-preschool, ubuntu-edu-primary, ubuntu-edu-secondary,
[23:02] <CIA-33> tasksel: ubuntu-edu-tertiary, ubuntustudio-font-meta, and uec tasks.
[23:04] <CIA-33> tasksel: cjwatson * r1421 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.73ubuntu21


[00:26] <davef> That’s the first pack of Jaffas demolished of 2024. In surprised it took me this long.
[00:28] <penguin42> how many more this hour?


[12:31] <mterry> Saviq: you still see Retry?  Hmm
[12:47] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, both on boot and after following your steps
[12:56] <mterry> Saviq: I don't see that with my branch, just retried
[12:57] <mterry> I'm retrying on a phone image forced into tablet mode, so maybe not pristine test, but I would expect it wouldn't matter in this case
[12:57] <Saviq> mterry, it might matter, initialization and all
[12:58] <mterry> Let me dig through my device box, I didn't think I had a tablet that we supported anymore
[12:58]  * mterry reboots actually
[12:58] <Saviq> mterry, anyway, I popped it from the silo, we'll get back to it
[13:01] <mterry> Ugh
[13:01] <mterry> It's a bad bug
[13:01]  * mterry found a nexus7... we still support those, I think
[13:03]  * mterry has grouper, not flo. dang
[13:13] <Saviq> mterry, d'uh, set-real-name isn't working either any more... I tested it last night and it was fine... and now either of me and jibel can't get it to work :S
[13:13] <Saviq> they don't depend on one another so I don't get how this happened
[13:14]  * mterry hopes that it's silo craziness, which would explain why you still see Retry
[13:15] <Saviq> mterry, real name worked for me when retry didn't, so unlikely
[13:15] <Saviq> but wth
[13:15] <mterry> Saviq: OK. tried logging into u8 on desktop, didn't see Retry on log in.  But had issues with locking screen and getting back in.  Will continue to try to reproduce what you're seeing
[13:18] <mterry> Silo 41 is the guy?  /me flashes to try to see the real name issue
[13:20] <Saviq> mterry, yes, and I think we found another bug with desktop greeter - pressing "lock/switch user" in a unity8 session will not allow you to get back to it at all - that what you saw?
[13:20] <Saviq> it pops me back to lightdm every time
[13:21] <Saviq> mterry, is there any chance the two branches of yours interact with each other (and why I could set name yesterday and I can't, today)?
[13:22] <Saviq> mterry, any case, added greeter-retry back to the silo and rebuilding
[13:22] <mterry> Saviq: no
[13:22] <Saviq> didn't think so
[13:22] <mterry> greeter-retry is like one line that shouldn't affect anything
[13:23] <mterry> Saviq: why re-add greetery-retry?  On the off chance it makes set-real-name work?
[13:25] <Saviq> mterry, because we need to fix the silo anyway, so hoping we could get both after all
[13:26] <mterry> Saviq: I like that optimism
[13:26] <Saviq> at that point it's both or none, really
[13:26] <Saviq> I thought I'd get it through QA before you get up
[13:26] <mterry> Ugh I really want both
[13:27] <Saviq> but yeah, little time I'm afraid
[13:27] <mterry> Saviq: I didn't anticipate any problems -- both are tiny and (I thought) simple changes
[13:27] <Saviq> yeah
[13:27] <Saviq> me neither
[13:27] <Saviq> the retry one could use a test...
[13:27] <mterry> Saviq: I added a line in a test to cover its new behavior
[13:27] <Saviq> right just saw
[13:27] <mterry> Saviq: but didn't add a whole new test, true
[13:29] <Saviq> oh meh, here's for releasing an OTA over Easter...
[13:29] <mterry> Saviq: if I flash from the PPA right now, what branches will I get?
[13:30] <mterry> Actually, maybe safer if I just build branches myself
[13:37] <Saviq> mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1186 less fix-greeter-retry
[13:38] <mterry> Saviq: just tried a custom-built u8 with both branches and they both appeared to work for me.  I'm going to try on a super fresh just bootstrapped machine
[13:38] <Saviq> mterry, what can I say... just ran through wizard on mako and getent still shows ubuntu
[13:39] <Saviq> with unity8 8.12+15.04.20160325-0ubuntu1
[13:39] <Saviq> unless something went really wrong in train, can't understand how
[13:39] <mterry> I doubt it's the train
[13:39] <Saviq> let's see the rebuild then
[13:40] <mterry> Saviq: I believe you, I'm just trying to get to the same place as you
[13:41] <mterry> actually, let me try silo version too
[13:41] <mterry> maybe my custom build is weir
[13:45] <Saviq> mterry, ok I just confirmed at least that the fixLatChanceDialogColors worked... so train built it... and I got the right packages installed
[13:46] <mterry> excellent
[13:46] <Saviq> will wait for the rebuild to check out more
[13:46] <mterry> I just installed from silo and was able to change my name.  So I'm frustrated.  Will try separate device
[13:46] <mterry> fresh
[13:49] <Saviq> mterry, one more thing came up - the tutorial says "Today scope", which might not even be installed... we should fix that at some point
[13:49] <mterry> I mentioned that with Paty, another thing she was going to reconsider and get back to me.  But my understanding was that it was our intention to ship Today scope on all our supported devices
[13:51] <mterry> I realize it's not on the mako.  But that's no a shipping device, I don't think Design cared about that mismatch
[13:51] <mterry> Saviq: but yes, that tutorial screen has lots of problems
[14:08] <mterry> Saviq: ok...  on a freshly wiped device, I see what you're seeing with the silo package
[14:10] <Saviq> oof
[14:10] <Saviq> for real name, that is?
[14:10] <mterry> Saviq: yeah
[14:11] <Saviq> ok /me not crazy
[14:12] <mterry> naw course not.  I'm not seeing anything in the logs though...
[14:13] <mterry> Saviq: if we can't fix this, maybe we can at least land a branch that turns off that wizard page?
[14:19]  * mterry tries Retry issue on this fresh device
[14:23] <mterry> Even this krillin can't see it.  Humph.  Back to testing on desktop
[14:34] <Saviq> mterry, I've just repro'd on frieza again, if there's a way for me to get you some data off it
[14:35] <mterry> Saviq: no I'd probably need to dig into Greeter flow
[14:35] <mterry> I'm guessing I need to be a tablet
[14:39] <Saviq> mterry, I might've farted, checking
[14:39] <Saviq> wrt Retry
[14:39] <mterry> That would be too lucky on my part  :)
[14:40] <Saviq> because damn frieza has a custom DeviceConfiguration.qml file that prevents upgrading unity8
[14:40] <Saviq> so I might've been checking with old u8 in fact (real name still an issue)
[14:42] <Saviq> mterry, ok confirmed, I'm not seeing Retry at all
[14:42] <Saviq> like ever
[14:43] <mterry> Saviq: oh good!
[14:43]  * mterry wipes brow
[14:57] <Saviq> mterry, so what do we do, shall I pop real name from the silo and we're cutting our losses on that or do you still wanna look into it?
[14:58] <mterry> Saviq: I still want to look at it, but don't block a zero-day for it.  The bug/fix will only affect wizard
[14:58] <mterry> Saviq: so I recommend dropping it from silo
[14:58] <Saviq> ack
[20:11] <josharenson> mterry: so I'm updating the greeter branches... there is a line in the shell that sets the wallpaper in the Wizard... Do you remember if you took that out? If not, its cool, I'll use all the fancy VCS tools at my disposal to figure it out


[00:12] <mhall119> cdbs: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/final-user-agent-string-for-firefox-4/
[07:52] <cdbs> mhall119: So we can still work around the thing, right?
[07:53] <cdbs> mhall119: Because apt.ubuntu.com is being heavily used on askubuntu questions, and we need a work-around
[14:06] <mhall119> cdbs: the problem is that FF4 will identify the same on Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu
[14:06] <mhall119> maybe the official Ubuntu package can be patched to include "Ubuntu" in the User Agent again
[14:06] <cdbs> yeah
[14:06] <mhall119> but there's nothing apt.ubuntu.com can do about it
[14:07] <cdbs> hmm
[14:07] <mhall119> maybe we can, instead of using useragent, send extra header information saying the browser supports apt urls
[14:08] <cdbs> well, yeah
[14:08] <cdbs> that requires extra discussions


[01:26] <penguin42> popey: Straight quantal install includes a Remote Login   login on the desktop by default (as per zleap's query)
[01:32] <ali1234> MC68000P8 sells for $16 "sold as seen - collectors item"
[01:32] <ali1234> waaaaaat
[01:32] <penguin42> there must be zillions out there
[01:36] <ali1234> probably not in PDIP
[01:39] <penguin42> isn't that what was in every ST and early Amiga?
[01:44] <ali1234> yes
[01:48] <penguin42> anyway, bed!
[08:16] <AlanBell> morning
[08:26] <newbie23> hello
[08:27] <newbie23> can i expect some help here?
[08:29] <AlanBell> hi newbie23
[08:29] <AlanBell> newbie23: you will have to ask a question before it can be answered
[08:29] <AlanBell> Ubuntu Phone dev platform announced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21387371
[08:31] <newbie324> ??
[08:31] <AlanBell> newbie23: do you need some help with something?
[08:32] <newbie324> i am 324 now and yes i still need some help
[08:33] <newbie324> i looked for solutions in askubuntu
[08:33] <newbie324> but they didn't work
[08:34] <AlanBell> link?
[08:35] <newbie324> i am really new to ubuntu so i have been trying to install it from usb
[08:35] <newbie324> but it wouldn't boot
[08:35] <newbie324> :|
[08:35] <newbie324> i tried Lili and all other similar programs
[08:35] <newbie324> i am running it now on virtual box
[08:36] <newbie324> but i want to install a fresh copy of ubuntu
[08:36] <newbie324> downloaded 12.04 lts iso
[08:36] <AlanBell> how did you install it to USB?
[08:36] <AlanBell> with startup disk creator or something else?
[08:37] <newbie324> using this http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[08:37] <newbie324> and running on virtual box using this too
[08:37] <newbie324> my current os is windows 7
[08:38] <AlanBell> is the computer set up to boot from USB?
[08:38] <AlanBell> bios settings boot order or something like that
[08:39] <newbie324> yes i am on hp pavilion g6 notebook. so when i start the laptop i hit f9 to select boot device option.
[08:39] <newbie324> there i get an option to boot EFI
[08:39] <AlanBell> oh, EFI
[08:39] <AlanBell> right, that is going to need the 64 bit version of Ubuntu I think
[08:40] <newbie324> but my OS is 32-bit
[08:40] <AlanBell> http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:41] <AlanBell> your computer is 64 bit capable
[08:41] <newbie324> yes it is
[08:42] <newbie324> so you recommend i download a 64-bit version from ubuntu website?
[08:43] <AlanBell> yes, from the link I just pasted
[08:43] <newbie324> i already downloaded 12.10 32-bit and then someone told me to get 12.04 LTS so downloaded that and now download again T_T
[08:44] <AlanBell> if your computer will boot in not-efi mode then 32 bit should work
[08:44] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[08:44] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1025555
[08:46] <popey> morning all
[08:56] <jacobw> morning popey + all
[08:58] <bigcalm> Hullo peeps :)
[08:58] <popey> pip pip
[08:59] <bigcalm> Shipment has left Poland
[08:59] <bigcalm> Why isn't it at my door step yet?
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:00] <popey> outrage
[09:02] <czajkowski> lol
[09:03] <bigcalm> UPS from Poland to UK. I wonder if it'll be by air or road
[09:03] <bigcalm> I could just wait until the expected delivery date of Thursday
[09:03] <Myrtti> ooo
[09:03] <bigcalm> Hi Myrtti :)
[09:04] <Myrtti> I forgot I've got stuff coming from Amazon today
[09:04] <Myrtti> Thanks for reminding
[09:04] <bigcalm> Erm, you're welcome :)
[09:04] <bigcalm> I'm still waiting for Tesco to send me vouchers for Cafe Rouge
[09:04]  * bigcalm rubs his tummy
[09:07] <newbie324> thanks for the help hopefully it will work
[09:07] <newbie324> o/
[09:07] <kvarley> Is there an app that will let me run an ARM binary on my regular PC?
[09:12] <dwatkins> kvarley: an Android phone emulator, perhaps?
[09:13] <popey> qemu
[09:13] <dwatkins> What kind of ARM binary are we talking?
[09:13] <popey> why would you want to though?
[09:13] <kvarley> The Minecraft-Pi edition
[09:14] <bigcalm> kvarley: buy the game, it's worth the price
[09:14] <kvarley> bigcalm: I already own it :)
[09:14] <bigcalm> kvarley: good :)
[09:15] <kvarley> It was purely to open up a LAN game to more people without Pis
[09:15] <bigcalm> Can the RPi version connect to normal servers?
[09:16] <kvarley> bigcalm: I suspect not since it is forked from the pocket edition
[09:17] <kvarley> bigcalm: Will be interesting to see if it can connect to pocket edition servers tho
[09:17] <bigcalm> I see
[09:20] <popey> MartijnVdS: interesting you get 4.2.2, I'm on 4.2.1 on nexus 4
[09:20] <popey> what's new?
[09:22] <dwatkins> I might give it a go on my Pi when I get home. It's currently a temperature sensor thanks to munin.
[09:27] <kvarley> bigcalm: Running the demo of Pocket Edition on my tablet and Pi Edition on my Pi both can see the server when the other is in a game but it fails to connect.
[09:27] <popey> does pi edition use the same auth stuff?
[09:28] <kvarley> popey: No user accounts are needed for pocket edition
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: I haven't seen anything different yet
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: apparently it fixes bluetooth streaming
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: (I upgraded before I got the notification using adb + http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1337)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: the update is almost 50M though, and from the size of the patch files, it's mostly updates to the pre-installed apps
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/12/android-4-2-2-update-reportedly-arriving-on-galaxy-nexus-phones/
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/android-4-2-2-brings-bluetooth-audio-fixes-to-nexus-phones-and-tablets/

[10:03] <DJones> Morning all
[10:11] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:11] <BigRedS> I've decided that we need an internal pastebin at work. What should I apt-get install and then see Just Work? :)
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: we use https://github.com/claudehohl/Stikked
[10:14] <AlanBell> pnopaste is in the repos
[10:14] <dwatkins> there's also hastebin: http://hastebin.com/about.md
[10:17] <BigRedS> Oooh, ta!"
[10:21] <AlanBell> pnopaste works, you need to  sudo ln -s /etc/pnopaste/apache2.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/pnopaste.conf
[10:21] <AlanBell> then it is at host/pnopaste
[10:26] <BigRedS> Yeah, pnopaste looks about right since it's all Perl and that's all I've got on the system I plan to use
[10:26] <BigRedS> Just need to translate the apache config into lighty
[10:26] <BigRedS> ta!
[10:30] <bigcalm> Can you specify a pastebin for use with pastebinit?
[10:30] <bigcalm> That would then be a good combination
[10:30] <BigRedS> blimey, it's really short on why I need to do some of these things - seems to reckon I'll want a utility for pasting to this pastebin from the server it's running on...
[10:32] <BigRedS> ah yeah, apt-get. that was the plan...
[10:34] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yes, you can
[10:34] <bigcalm> AlanBell: which big was that meant for?
[10:34] <AlanBell> conf files are in /usr/share/pastebin.d
[10:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:08] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:10] <bigcalm> Morning kids
[11:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: you know some of us are older than you don't you :P
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: only by age ;)
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[11:58]  * Laney calls the council tax office to voluntarily pay more
[11:58] <Laney> :S :S :S
[11:58] <Laney> well, not exactly voluntarily
[11:58] <bigcalm> Laney: I know another good home for unwanted money
[11:59]  * davmor2 ups Laney 's air tax
[11:59]  * Laney steals a compulsory piggy back on davmor2
[11:59] <Laney> TO THE COOKIE STATION
[12:00] <Laney> I just need to tell them that my girlfriend has moved in
[12:00] <Laney> so no more 25% discount
[12:01] <bigcalm> Laney: is she paying her way?
[12:03] <Laney> hope so :P
[12:03] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:05] <Laney> it is done
[12:06] <Laney> (95 / 75) * 100 =<PHONE_NUMBER>6666667
[12:06]  * Laney weeps
[12:06] <davmor2> Laney: oh but come one what a way to have to pay more money
[12:07] <Laney> haha
[12:07] <Laney> it is for a good reason
[12:10] <davmor2> Laney: ouch where the hell do you live so I know to never move there
[12:10] <Laney> http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1178
[12:11] <Laney> is that higher than average?
[12:12] <davmor2> Laney: http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/council/council_tax/council+tax+bands+and+charges.htm
[12:12] <davmor2> and I thought ours was high
[12:12] <Laney> actually I think I'm only band B so I probably got my calculation wrong
[12:13] <Laney> yeah average band D is 1444
[12:13] <bigcalm> http://www.telford.gov.uk/site/scripts/download_info.aspx?fileID=1257&categoryID=200028
[12:13] <bigcalm> I have no idea which band we're in
[12:14] <bigcalm> D for me would be 1,413.56
[12:15] <popey> i have no idea either
[12:15] <Laney> so yeah nottingham is quite high
[12:15] <AlanBell> 192/month for us, but I think it is over 10 or 11 months for some reason
[12:15] <davmor2> popey: yours will be higher you are too close to ye olde ye London towne
[12:16] <kvarley1> Any way for me to change the Skype icon to a higher resolution one? Looks ugly in the beautiful Alt + Tab interface Ubuntu has
[12:16] <Laney> we got a flyer from the council complaining that they are being affected by cuts more then southern councils
[12:17] <Laney> don't know how true that is
[12:17] <davmor2> kvarley1: goto /usr/share/icons and I think it is in there just swap it out for a higher res one ensuring it has the same permissions
[12:17] <kvarley1> davmor2: Ok, thanks
[12:18] <bigcalm> I would be happy for our council tax to go up if it meant that services continued to get funded (hurts more when my Hayley works in the council and feels the pressure of cuts and no support)
[12:18] <davmor2> Laney: yeah it is cause the big girlie southerns can't do 2 peoples jobs like they can up T'north
[12:19] <popey> whippets, flat caps, coal etc
[12:19] <Laney> I was happy when they responded to my fixmystreet request to fix some potholes saying that they would do it :P
[12:19] <czajkowski> Laney: did they actually do it ?
[12:19] <Laney> not yet ...
[12:19] <czajkowski> or jsut respond to you?
[12:19] <czajkowski> :)
[12:20] <Laney> 28 working days from jan 22nd
[12:20] <davmor2> Laney: we've only been waiting 3 years for them to fix our carpark and we still aren't even on the list for alterations yet
[12:20] <Laney> heh
[12:20] <Laney> get your councillors involved
[12:20] <davmor2> Laney: that was with the Councillors involved
[12:21] <czajkowski> back home home I lived ina  small village councillors would often knock on your doors to see how things were going even before elections so you could bend their ears
[12:21] <Laney> cute
[12:21] <davmor2> Laney: they have to get the budget for it as 15 parking spaces for 132 flats is a bit low
[12:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's your fault for having a car
[13:22] <AlanBell> any cheap home printer recommendations?
[13:22] <AlanBell> not an inkjet
[13:25] <davmor2> AlanBell: Samsung
[13:25] <davmor2> AlanBell: HP
[13:26] <popey> I would ask tkamppeter__ ☺
[13:26] <AlanBell> who?
[13:26] <popey> the guy who maintains printers for basically all linux distros
[13:26] <popey> (and works for us)
[13:26] <popey> he runs linuxprinting.org
[13:27] <AlanBell> ok, thanks
[13:29] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/397339-dell-1160w-mono-laser-printer-210-40394 given that this one is wireless it should be standard postscript or something right?
[13:29] <davmor2> AlanBell: I have the Samsung clp-300 sits here quite happily, you have to add the splix and foo2zjs but then cups handles it fine I think the newer version is the 310  you can get non-branded toner from amazon and ebay for about £20 for the set
[13:30] <davmor2> AlanBell: I had a dell you had to goto their website and grab a driver but only the print part work the scanner never did :(  However the hp I got next did :)
[13:30] <Azelphur> looks like bitcoin is booming again
[13:30]  * Azelphur called this ~8 months ago xD
[13:39]  * AlanBell ordered the Dell
[13:40] <popey> AlanBell: be interested to know how it goes, I'm after a laser
[13:41] <AlanBell> I was tempted to get one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/386208-ricoh-sp100-laser-printer-ricohsp100?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products and make it work somehow
[13:41] <AlanBell> but as it is for the kids I figured that the instant gratification of a printer that is likely to work was better than the fun of beating sense into one that won't
[13:43] <DJones> In byobu, what does a red "1#" stand for on the bottom line, I thought it was to do with updates, but I've just run update & upgrade with no change to "1#"
[13:43] <AlanBell> £20 for a printer including cartridge, and when that runs out a refil cartridge is £59.99
[13:43] <AlanBell> DJones: I have 2#
[13:44] <amayer_> AlanBell: thats how the market for printers is
[13:44] <DJones> I wondered whether it could be the number of users logged in
[13:45] <AlanBell> users
[13:45] <AlanBell> alan alan alan alan alan alan alan
[13:45] <DJones> Yeah, just found it on the man page
[13:46] <DJones> Thanks anyway
[13:47] <AlanBell> wonder why mine says 2# and not 1 or 7
[13:47] <popey> its the window number
[13:47] <popey> if you open some and close 0 then you'll still have 1
[13:47] <popey> they don't re-number as you close windows
[13:53] <DJones> Grr, why don't hospitals have video camera's in the theatre's so you know were abouts surgery is up to
[13:55] <popey> maybe the machines should tweet
[13:55] <popey> *beep*
[13:55] <popey> *beep*
[13:55] <popey> *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
[13:55] <popey> j/k - *beep*
[13:55] <popey> etc
[13:56] <mgdm> "@ECGMachine: OMG! @CrashTeam get here now!"
[13:56] <DJones> That could be interesting
[14:01] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.ebuyer.com/321919-samsung-ml-2160-mono-laser-printer-ml-2160-xeu
[14:01] <popey> looks suspiciously like your dell
[14:02] <BigRedS> Dells always used to be lexmarks
[14:02] <AlanBell> the dell has wifi
[14:04] <popey> so does the samsung
[14:04] <popey> well, the 2165W variant does ☺
[14:05] <popey> so does the 2160 allegedly
[14:05] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spt3c6TYtxo this Korean video explains it clearly ☺
[14:13] <knightwise> hey everyone
[14:13] <popey> hello
[14:15] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B006LFQU9S/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
[14:15] <popey> not good reviews
[14:16] <AlanBell> well as long as it means I don't get woken up early to drive a small person to the office to print out their homework that they should have done the day before then I am cool
[14:17] <popey> hah
[14:17] <AlanBell> "Samsung customer service is to customer satisfaction what King Herod is to playgroups." yeah, that isn't a great review is it
[14:17] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/Dell-1160w-Wireless-Monochrome-Printer/product-reviews/B008HZFB3G
[14:17] <popey> this guy seems to think it's not wireless, how odd
[14:17] <popey> maybe he bought a diff one and reviewed that one instead
[14:18] <knightwise> any idea when the first developement releases will be out of the ubuntu phone os ?
[14:18] <penguin42> my ml1640 isn't as reliable as my previous sammy printer; it tends to take a couple of goes to get it to pick up paper
[14:18] <popey> "soon"
[14:19] <knightwise> thanx popey :)
[14:24] <popey> sorry I can't be more specific
[14:43] <bigcalm> Before the October date that Mark said we would have Ubuntu phones? ;)
[14:43] <bigcalm> (I think it was October?)
[14:57] <popey> yes
[14:57] <popey> we will release the source and some sample developer images for a couple of popular devices
[15:01] <AlanBell> what was the October quote in relation to?
[15:02] <amayer_> knightwise: im just as eager as you to play with one
[15:02] <AlanBell> "two large geographical markets" in October
[15:02] <AlanBell> antarctica, and one other
[15:03] <amayer_> AlanBell: haha
[15:03] <penguin42> AlanBell: Mars
[15:05] <popey> ☺
[15:05] <popey> Mars and Venus
[15:05] <penguin42> popey: It's good of you to volunteer to be the onsite support
[15:05] <popey> I can't say. But there's a lot of wild speculation, and most of it is wrong.
[15:05] <popey> I wish!
[15:05] <mungbean_> india
[15:05] <mungbean_> china
[15:06] <penguin42> popey: I'm sure Mark knows someone with a rocket to get you there....
[15:06] <mungbean_> south africa
[15:06] <popey> Yes, keep all these expectations in mind. They can only either be met or exceeded.
[15:06] <AlanBell> mungbean_: I don't know if they can translate and design applications for RTL and so on to go to those markets in that timescale
[15:06] <AlanBell> I think it has to be an English language market
[15:07] <penguin42> AlanBell: Ubuntu has pretty good translations for a vast range of languages and there are devs working everywhere, so I doubt it would be too hard
[15:07] <AlanBell> penguin42: RTL isn't just a translation issue
[15:08] <penguin42> AlanBell: Yeh but it's already handled in most libraries isn't it?
[15:09] <AlanBell> I am sure QML has reasonable support for it, yes
[15:10] <AlanBell> but that isn't the same as saying all the core applications are going to be written by the community https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid where they are all in english so far
[15:10] <AlanBell> and they are going to just look awesome when you just translate the strings to chinese?
[15:11] <AlanBell> we don't have ubuntu font coverage for chinese or korean
[15:11] <AlanBell> we do have the new rupee sign though
[15:15] <penguin42> yeh font coverage I guess takes a lot of work
[15:21] <mungbean_> ubuntu should release a phone in countries shackled by carrier contracts
[15:21] <mungbean_> australians and USians have that trouble don't they?
[15:24] <AlanBell> they should do something disruptive and unique
[15:24] <AlanBell> competing directly with iPhone and Android on level terms would be a brave strategy
[15:24] <AlanBell> possibly even courageous
[15:31] <penguin42> I guess in some ways it's not that hard to do; you can ask one of the hardware OEMs to install this image rather than that presumably fairly simply
[15:32] <penguin42> getting people to buy it, or carriers to support it may be somewhat harder
[15:32] <popey> not necessarily
[15:32] <popey> we've been talking to handset manufacturers and carriers
[15:32] <popey> not just handset manufacturers
[15:32] <penguin42> what's the attraction to the carriers?
[15:33] <popey> well, look at android
[15:33]  * penguin42 looks at his android
[15:33] <popey> odm designs hardware with a platform in mind
[15:34] <popey> oem takes hardware, puts that software on it, sells it
[15:34] <popey> carrier takes that handset and sells to consumers in stores
[15:34] <popey> customer takes the device home, buys stuff from google play..
[15:34] <popey> neither the carrier nor oem nor odm see any of that revenue
[15:35] <popey> Go to Google, do not collect £200.
[15:35] <penguin42> hmm true; the carriers do tend to add their own apps, but yeh that's true
[15:36] <popey> also, in order to put GoogleOS on your handset you have to agree to somewhat onerous contracts.
[15:36] <popey> "Don't be evil" though, so that's all okay.
[15:37] <penguin42> popey: Working with carriers must be interesting, you get into all the stuff of how to push updates over their network etc
[15:37] <popey> indeed. that'll be fun
[15:43] <kvarley> Does anybody know if there is a plugin for pidgin which will add the game I'm currently playing on steam to my status?
[15:43] <mungbean_> carrier software on phones is the worst kind of bloatware
[15:55] <BigRedS> yeah, it's like buying a Windows PC
[15:55] <BigRedS> You need to decide whether to reinstall just the OS you want and risk not being able to reinstall any handy bundled utils, or to just leave it be and tolerate it
[15:57] <penguin42> which reminds me, I must upgrade my cyanogen install
[15:57] <BigRedS> haha, I think I'm still on an RC
[15:58] <penguin42> yeh me to, I'm on a 7RC I think, I think there's a 10 out for it now
[15:59] <BigRedS> I've no idea what number I'm on :) I think it's the current stable for everything else but the S2 took ages to stabilise
[15:59] <BigRedS> and it's old now
[15:59] <penguin42> mines a couple of years old
[16:04] <penguin42> hmm the 10.x isn't an official cyanogen build
[16:05] <mungbean_> they never are
[16:05] <mungbean_> 10.x on my touchpad doing fine
[16:06] <mungbean_> my htc desire never got higher than cm7x
[16:06] <penguin42> yeh this is a zte blade, someone seems to have done the 10.x stuff separtely
[16:08] <mungbean_> no major gains on the phone OS for me, but tablet form factor is improved in cm10
[16:58] <andylockran> hi
[17:23] <davmor2> hmmmmmmm I wonder whats for tea....... Oh Yeah PANCAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:54] <kvarley1> I suspect that my router is causing me to disconnect from games on Wii U. I want to setup my laptop as a wireless access point that defers DHCP to my router, is that possible? How would I go about this?
[17:54] <dwatkins> ah it's *that* Tuesday
[17:56] <davmor2> dwatkins: Oh yeah baby!
[20:37] <DJones> Hmmh, does this count as "extreme camping"? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC7Xvo0CAAAO7iz.jpg:large
[20:38] <dwatkins> DJones: super duper extreme camping, most definitely
[20:39] <penguin42> I guess that's for climbers who can't complete a face in ne day?
[20:42] <DJones> Never having climbed anything like that, I won't call them wimps for giving up half way :)
[20:43] <penguin42> me neither
[20:45] <dwatkins> I imagine it's a matter of the time to climb, yeah.
[20:45] <amayer_> that would be awesome!!!
[20:51]  * penguin42 guesses it gets even more 'interesting' if it gets windy
[20:54] <dwatkins> Don't forget Extreme Ironing... http://i.imgur.com/bFT1y.jpg
[20:55] <amayer_> o.O
[20:55] <dwatkins> haha, there's even a calendar: http://imgur.com/a/YC9Od
[20:56] <DJones> Maybe popey could do the ironing while in that campsite :)
[21:20] <ali1234> (15:36:25) popey: neither the carrier nor oem nor odm see any of that revenue
[21:20] <ali1234> not strictly true since samsung devices have a samsung branded app store
[21:20] <ali1234> and then you have operator billing too
[21:21] <ali1234> ODM and carrier see plenty of post sale revenue from android devices
[21:23] <penguin42> ali1234: Your roundtrip time is incredible :-)
[21:31] <popey> ali1234: I specifically said google play store ☺
[21:31] <ali1234> google play store supports operator billing
[21:31] <popey> that was in refernce to your samsung store comment
[22:11] <Myrtti> popey: are you getting the N4 fixed then? I suppose it's cheaper than buying a new one
[22:30] <popey> Myrtti: will phone LG tomorrow and find out, their website claims 130 quid for all repairs
[22:30] <popey> Azelphur: what was the bug you had where the cursor disappeared? I have had it in gedit
[22:32] <Azelphur> popey: minimise gedit -> cursor disappears
[22:33] <Azelphur> seems to have gone away now that I stopped using Ubuntu's compiz, though.
[22:36]  * directhex moos
[23:01] <popey> Azelphur: did you file or find a bug?
[23:01] <Azelphur> I think I found a bug, it was on the debian list iirc
[23:15]  * penguin42 has seen a bunch of disappearing cursor problems for a couple of years
[23:18] <penguin42> hmm can't find the bug number
[23:20] <popey> I'll have a look in the morning
[23:21] <Azelphur> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662099
[23:45] <ali1234> xorg:fglrx - ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, In use)
[23:45] <ali1234> wat
[23:51] <penguin42> interesting combination
[23:51] <penguin42> ali1234: Does that mean was installed, you've disabled it but haven't quite X since asking for that?
[23:52] <ali1234> no, it means i had a working setup and then did sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[23:53] <ali1234> which removes fglrx, and makes fglrx-updates "in use" and "disabled" at the same time, so it does not work
[23:53] <ali1234> then i did sudo apt-get install fglrx
[23:53] <ali1234> which does the same thing but with fglrx
[23:53] <penguin42> curious
[23:53] <ali1234> then i punched jockey until it worked
[23:56] <penguin42> yes, you do have to remind it whose side it's supposed to be on every so often


[15:51] <utkarsh2102> hiho
[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <rbasak> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray_> o/
[16:01] <utkarsh2102> hellu
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> whilst we don't have anything on the agenda, I do have a misc
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> so should I start?
[16:02] <rbasak> Sure, thanks
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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[16:02] <utkarsh2102> nothing on agenda, moving straight to AOB
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> #topic AOB
[16:03] <sil2100> I'd like to use to occassion to apologize for missing out so many DMB meetings recently
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> we do not accept apologies, only beer
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> or whiskey, for some people ;)
[16:04] <sil2100> Especially apologize to all the applicants that had their applications handled while I was away
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> hey! CPC has a packageset (ubuntu-cloud; cf: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/noble/ubuntu-cloud). We'd like to revive it and the first step would be to polish it a bit. Would it be okay to drop some packages from the package and add some new via the usual process (mail devel-permissions@ with the updated list and collect
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> +1s, et al). Would anyone have an objection?
[16:05] <sil2100> I don't see why not, we can vote on the actual packageset changes via ML as usual
[16:05] <bdmurray> I don't think it is necessary to review removals.
[16:05] <rbasak> As long as the changes match the defined packageset description "Packages required to create, bootstrap, use or configure Ubuntu Cloud images and their derivatives" then we only require one DMB member to approve.
[16:05] <bdmurray> Only additions.
[16:05] <rbasak> Though please keep the record on the ML
[16:06] <utkarsh2102> of course
[16:07] <bdmurray> o/ one topic
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> perfect, since there are no objections, I'll come back with the new set in some time on the list.
[16:07] <utkarsh2102> yes, please
[16:07] <bdmurray> me?
[16:08] <bdmurray> We need to run an election in the next couple of months. When do we need to start working on that?
[16:09] <bdmurray> 3 memberships in the board expire on 2024-03-29.
[16:09] <rbasak> Ah - thank you for noticing!
[16:09] <rbasak> More in June also
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> yes
[16:09] <rbasak> I have a schedule somewhere
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> 3 in March and 4 in June :P
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> the whole board essentially
[16:10] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+git/election-tools/tree/README.DMB#n49
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> it's a 1-month process, we should start mid Feb, at least
[16:10] <rbasak> I cleaned up and documented the whole process over the past couple of elections.
[16:10] <bdmurray> In the release team we use Day -28
[16:11] <rbasak> bdmurray: feel free to adjust :)
[16:11] <bdmurray> Obviously, I think that's a bit easier to read.
[16:11] <rbasak> I guess maybe this way round makes more sense actually, as typically the election gets delayed so the variable end as at that end of the schedule, as opposed to Ubuntu releases where the release date typically doesn't change.
[16:12] <rbasak> I'm happy to run the election again unless someone else wants to do it?
[16:12] <bdmurray> The release date certianly *shoulndn't* change.
[16:12] <rbasak> Technically it's run by the TB, but usually delegated to someone who doesn't necessarily have to be on the TB.
[16:12] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: is it a lot of work? if not, I'd like to run once, just to see how it is :)
[16:13] <bdmurray> Should somebody who might be running for a position conduct the election?
[16:13] <rbasak> utkarsh2102: up to you to decide - it's documented :)
[16:13] <rbasak> bdmurray: that question comes up every time but practically we don't usually have any other choice.
[16:13] <utkarsh2102> coolio, i'll let you know in the next meeting then o/
[16:14] <rbasak> bdmurray: I have no reason to distrust any of the people who might end up running it this time.
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: I, for one, wouldn't be running for the position so that should be squared away
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> in case I run :)
[16:14] <bdmurray> I don't think its about our trust but the voters trust.
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> in case I run => in case I conduct the elections
[16:15] <rbasak> I don't think this is a productive thread of conversation unless we actually have someone meeting that criterion volunteering.
[16:15] <bdmurray> Bazinga! Agreed though
[16:16] <utkarsh2102> perfect, anything else, anyone?
[16:17] <utkarsh2102> tick tick 3
[16:17] <utkarsh2102> tick tick 2
[16:17] <utkarsh2102> tick tick 1
[16:17] <utkarsh2102> #endmeeting
[16:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:17:29 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-05-16.02.moin.txt
[16:17] <rbasak> Yb
[16:17] <rbasak> Uh
[16:17] <rbasak> Were we going to conclude what we're going to do about the election?
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: did we not discuss that?
[16:18] <bdmurray> Utkarsh will review the tasks and decide in two weeks if he can take it on.
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> that $someone will run it; I'll let you know by the next meeting if I will otherwise you can :)
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> yep, that^
[16:19] <rbasak> OK thanks
[16:20] <utkarsh2102> perfect!
[16:20] <utkarsh2102> have a great day, everyone! o/
[16:20] <utkarsh2102> :wq!
[16:20] <rbasak> What? All that work and he didn't save it? :-(
[16:20] <rbasak> Oh, he force saved it :)
[16:21] <bdmurray> I updated the agenda with election informaiton.


[00:02] <duanedesign> hello Tommy3
[00:02] <duanedesign> Tommy3: you can get help in  #ubuntu
[00:03] <Tommy3> tried there. no response after abt half hr of trying.  thought I might be in the wrong place.
[00:12] <mungo-> is support available ?
[00:12] <mungo-> guess not.  i wont waste your time
[00:31] <vadi2> If I add multiple files that are only slightly varying in some parts to U1, will it upload them each individually, or send 'delta' updates of them all?
[03:37] <needhelp1> is ubuntu one encrypted at all
[03:37] <nodestool> can you use the commandline or something like rsync/scp to upload to ubuntu one?
[03:37] <needhelp1> nodestool, i would like to know that also
[03:37] <nodestool> hi needhelp1
[03:37] <nodestool> are you going to use the smart phone app?
[03:38] <needhelp1> no
[03:38] <nodestool> needhelp1: even they don't have encryption out of the box, i think the gpg is really good/fast at encrypting crap
[03:38] <needhelp1> im not
[03:38] <needhelp1> i would need to connect to the cloud via some form of an encrypted connection also
[03:39] <nodestool> you could use gpg on your box, then the file would be encrypted before you upload
[03:39] <needhelp1> yeah
[03:40] <needhelp1> im interested to know if ubuntu one has a way via terminal to upload/download files
[03:40] <nodestool> also that way you don't have to even worry about server admins or whatever seeing your files
[03:41] <nodestool> you have the public key
[03:41] <nodestool> but yeah, a scp with a public key would be great
[03:42] <nodestool> cause then you can upload via cron
[03:43] <needhelp1> im just a little uncomfortable with gpg
[03:44] <nodestool> oh?
[03:44] <nodestool> why is that
[03:46] <needhelp1> never used it in depth, seems hard to use. i think i could figure out how to use it with email.. other than that im lost
[03:46] <nodestool> http://per.liedman.net/2011/01/22/using-ubuntu-one-for-backup-on-a-headless-server/
[03:46] <nodestool> needhelp1: if you use it in the simple way its really easy
[03:48] <needhelp1> care to share
[03:52] <needhelp1> i wonder if ubuntu one uses s3
[03:52] <nodestool> s3 is more tricky
[03:52] <nodestool> what are you trying to do?
[03:52] <nodestool> just back up files/
[03:53] <nodestool> or do you want to have them for daily use?
[03:54] <needhelp1> it looks like ubuntu one is hosted via s3
[03:54] <nodestool> there are commandline tools for s3
[03:55] <nodestool> but it depends on how you want to use the service
[03:55] <nodestool> i mostly want to use it for my smart phone
[03:55] <nodestool> to stream audio
[03:55] <needhelp1> Dropbox[17], Zmanda and Ubuntu One are some of the many online backup and synchronization services that use S3 as their storage and transfer facility.
[03:55] <needhelp1> brb
[04:12] <non-apology> did i violate channel rules here ?
[04:13] <non-apology> you wasted my time
[19:38] <mongy> file sync seems to be down
[19:38] <mongy> struggling to connect at least.


[17:04] <bkerensa> godbyk: good morning
[17:05] <godbyk> bkerensa: Hey, Ben.
[17:05] <godbyk> bkerensa: Hopefully my arguments didn't seem to pushy.
[17:05] <bkerensa> godbyk: I just noticed serverguide is lacking a debian path
[17:05] <bkerensa> godbyk: nah its fine if lyz approves then I respect that
[17:06] <godbyk> bkerensa: What needs to be done to fix that?
[17:06] <godbyk> I have to confess I haven't been paying much attention to the serverguide side of things.
[17:06] <godbyk> (I've been leaving that to Doug for the most part.)
[17:06] <bkerensa> godbyk: I will see peer reviews though and I need to generate a debian path for serverguide so it complies with packaging rules
[17:08] <godbyk> bkerensa: What's a 'debian path' and what do we need to do to create one?
[17:09] <bkerensa> so since Ubuntu is a Debian based distro
[17:09] <bkerensa> it has to follow Debian Policy on packages
[17:09] <bkerensa> which requires all packages to have a debian folder
[17:09] <bkerensa> that has contents that follow debian policy
[17:10] <godbyk> Oh! You're just referring to the debian folder that contains all the control files and whatnot for creating a .deb package?
[17:10] <bkerensa> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html
[17:11] <godbyk> Has the server guide ever been packaged?
[17:13] <bkerensa> I see why
[17:13] <bkerensa> its not packaged
[17:14] <godbyk> I don't see a package for it in 13.04, at least. It must just be published on help.ubuntu.com.
[17:16] <godbyk> So I guess the question becomes: should we be packaging it?
[17:17] <bkerensa> no it seems its just merged in to help
[17:18] <godbyk> Okay.
[17:19] <pleia2> probably a good question for the server team, ubuntu desktop help is obviously a useful shippable thing, but server docs? I don't want server docs on my server :)
[17:19] <bkerensa> pleia2: you dont want man? :P
[17:20] <pleia2> talking about the server docs that this team creates specifically (as for man, it depends on the server, but usually not!)
[17:21] <godbyk> bkerensa: pleia2 is so good she doesn't need man. :)
[17:21] <pleia2> my servers are for working and serving things, I look up docs on other machines
[17:21] <godbyk> pleia2: same here.
[17:21] <pleia2> which is why I say it's a good discussion for doug and the server team
[17:22] <godbyk> Agreed. I'll email Doug and see if they're interested in packaging serverguide.
[17:22] <bkerensa> godbyk: there would be nothing to packaged since its just files that get pushed to the web
[17:22] <bkerensa> lacking a man there would be no need to package it
[17:23] <pleia2> some packages ship .html files that you can browse in /usr/share/doc
[17:23] <godbyk> bkerensa: Well, we could package the HTML files and/or the PDF. Just as we package the .page files for the desktop help.
[17:23] <pleia2> I figure this would be similar
[17:23] <godbyk> pleia2: Yeah, exactly.
[17:23] <bkerensa> anyways
[17:24] <bkerensa> pmatulis would be the person to ask
[17:24] <bkerensa> notably doug suggested he waited a long time for that MP... it was just ten days and I asked pmatulis to review it and he did so within two minutes of me asking
[17:24] <bkerensa> that kind of turnaround would not even happen for normal dev reviews
[17:24] <bkerensa> :)
[17:25] <bkerensa> I wake weeks for a review of normal ubuntu packages
[17:25] <bkerensa> and they have people doing reviews daily as a work requirement
[17:25] <godbyk> bkerensa: Nice. Okay, I'll chat with Doug and Peter and see if they're interested in having a .deb package for serverguide.
[17:26] <pleia2> thanks godbyk :)
[17:26] <godbyk> No problem.
[17:27] <godbyk> bkerensa: Did you decide on a deadline for docs?
[17:28] <bkerensa> godbyk: I do not get to decide :) doug wants to push till freeze although considering translation barely got done last cycle even with us finishing at freeze
[17:28] <bkerensa> I thought it might be good to give translations team as much time as possible
[17:28] <bkerensa> especially if lots of changes occur between cycles
[17:29] <godbyk> bkerensa: I agree with giving the translations team as much time as we can, but I think we're too far behind on this cycle with the English docs.
[17:29] <godbyk> I wouldn't want them to spend time translating bad documentation.
[17:29] <bkerensa> Especially since I imagine more non-english speakers are reading docs then english speakers
[17:29] <bkerensa> but thats just a guess
[17:29] <godbyk> So I vote for sticking with the original doc string freeze date.
[17:29] <godbyk> For 14.04 we can look at moving it up a bit earlier in the release cycle possibly.
[17:30] <godbyk> (We can't move it up too much because the UI still changes fairly late in the cycle.)
[17:30] <godbyk> My hope is that after we get synced with the upstream GNOME docs during this cycle that there will be a lot fewer merges to contend with for 14.04.
[17:31] <godbyk> Then we can focus on proofreading and fixing other bugs and adding more Unity-specific docs.
[17:31] <pleia2> godbyk: +1
[17:31] <bkerensa> godbyk: its important to be sure we are heavily reviewing the GNOME doc you are merging in too... although we do use some gnome apps they also are gearing their doc for a different desktop environment then ships in Ubuntu
[17:31] <bkerensa> also
[17:31] <bkerensa> the desktop team makes significant changes to quite a few packages that we carry from GNOME
[17:31] <bkerensa> so features may not be the same as they are upstream
[17:31] <godbyk> bkerensa: Yeah. I have to change some of their 'select blah from the blah activity' to 'click on the gear icon and select system settings' quite a bit.
[17:32] <bkerensa> Our freeze date is Thursday though
[17:32] <godbyk> bkerensa: Thankfully a lot of those changes were merged into the upstream GNOME docs so that work is already done.  I do catch a few that weren't fixed upstream, though.
[17:32] <bkerensa> and I will let translations know to begin at midnight UTC on Thursday
[17:33] <godbyk> bkerensa: Yeah. I've been trying to check for differences as I go along, but I won't have time to do all of it before the string freeze.
[17:33] <godbyk> bkerensa: Sounds good.
[17:34] <godbyk> I'm going to continue to merge in upstream GNOME docs.
[17:34] <bkerensa> k
[17:34] <godbyk> I've been trying to add notes to the spreadsheet when pages require extra review (e.g., if the upstream docs differ too much from our own).
[17:35] <godbyk> While Ubuntu/Unity modifies some GNOME apps a bit, the upstream GNOME docs are still considerably more accurate and up to date than the existing Ubuntu docs.
[17:35] <littlegirl> godby: What kind of help do you need as far as proofreading is concerned?
[17:35] <godbyk> So most of the merges are a net win.
[17:36] <godbyk> littlegirl: If you'd like, you can proofread the pages that I've already updated.
[17:36] <littlegirl> godbyk: Okay, where is a list of those?
[17:36] <godbyk> littlegirl: There are a few pages that I've flagged in the spreadsheet that will need more careful merging. So I'm ignoring those on this first pass. I'll revisit those after I've finished the rest of the easy merges.
[17:36] <godbyk> littlegirl: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsSw0cKYcffNdFlFakF5M0VjR002UEVvakVPZGpydHc#gid=0
[17:37] <littlegirl> I'm not sure how to work that list. How do I find the pages it references?
[17:37] <godbyk> littlegirl: Anything that has my name as a reviewer (Kevin Godby) will likely have a comment stating if I merged upstream docs or not. Anything that I've made merges to, feel free to proofread.
[17:37] <godbyk> littlegirl: The pages refer to the files in the bzr repository. But they also correspond to the html pages.
[17:38] <littlegirl> godbyk: I've only ever worked on kubuntu docs. What's the path to the ubuntu docs for my command?
[17:38] <godbyk> littlegirl: Unfortunately, I don't have a live snapshot of the html pages at the moment. I'll see if I can create one soon.
[17:38]  * littlegirl prefers bzr to html. (:
[17:38] <godbyk> littlegirl: Otherwise, if you check out the bzr repository, those files are in ubuntu-help/C/.
[17:38] <godbyk> littlegirl: And you can view them rendered by running 'yelp blah.page'.
[17:38] <godbyk> littlegirl: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-docs/saucy
[17:39] <littlegirl> Thanks! I'll take a look. I don't use Ubuntu, but I can be useful for grammar, punctuation, clarity of instructions, etc. (:
[17:40] <littlegirl> godbyk: Do you guys use Mallae or DocBook?
[17:40] <godbyk> littlegirl: Thanks! I'll take all the help I can get! :-)
[17:40] <godbyk> littlegirl: We're using Mallard.
[17:40] <littlegirl> godbyk: Okay, I'll see what I can do. (:
[17:40] <godbyk> It's a bit simpler than docbook. It's still XML-based, though.
[17:41] <pleia2> btw, I added this section to our getting involved docs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuDesktopGuide#Building_html_version_of_the_docs
[17:41] <pleia2> in case anyone does want to bulid current .html version
[17:41] <godbyk> littlegirl: After you've proofread a document, go ahead and add your name to one of the reviewer columns in the spreadsheet. If there were no errors, make a note in the comments field to that effect.
[17:41] <littlegirl> I saw your comments in the mailing list, which is what got me looking into this. Apparently I'm one of the 13 people you referenced who isn't approving merge proposals, and I didn't realize until now that I had such power. I've always been one of the people who made the proposals. (:
[17:41] <godbyk> Nice! Thanks, pleia2.
[17:42] <pleia2> littlegirl: hah, yeah, I think because you're a key kubuntu docs contributor :)
[17:42] <godbyk> littlegirl: Ha! No worries. There haven't been too many merge proposals to worry about.
[17:42] <littlegirl> godbyk: Okay, thans - will do. Do I need to be logged in somewhere to do that or can anybody edit that spreadsheet?
[17:42] <pleia2> anyone can edit
[17:42] <godbyk> littlegirl: Anyone can edit it.
[17:42] <godbyk> If you can't, let me know and I'll try to fix it.
[17:43] <littlegirl> pleia2: Was. I haven't done much this time around. It's all kind of confusing right now because they're changing it. I was nicely settled in with DocBook and bzr. (:
[17:43] <godbyk> littlegirl: Are they switching to Mallard?
[17:44] <littlegirl> godbyk: No, they're switching to the wiki, interestingly enough, in an effort to make the documentation more enticing for any user to edit (since a lot of people don't know DocBook or Mallard or BZR). Then they want to have a smaller set of docs still on the LP server that will go into the distribution itself, but I'm really not sure what's what on it yet, and have just kind of gone in and edited anything I see that needs fixing.
[17:44] <littlegirl>  (:
[17:45] <godbyk> littlegirl: Ah, okay. Interesting. You'll have to keep me posted on how that works out for you guys.
[17:46] <littlegirl> godbyk: I think it's Aaron Honeycutt and Valorie... don't know her last name, that are working on it.
[17:47] <godbyk> I'd like to find ways to make it easier for people to contribute to ubuntu-docs, too, but that'll have to wait until after 13.10, I think.
[17:47] <godbyk> It'd be nice if people could easily suggest improvements, point out errors, etc. without having to go through the hassle of filing a big bug report and all that.
[17:48] <godbyk> And many people who are interested in helping with documentation aren't so interested in learning obscure markup languages. :-)
[17:50] <littlegirl> godbyk: Well, you guys have it right in using Mallard, since that is much easier to learn than DocBook, and I think all you need is some very simple instructions for anyone to follow in order to get them up and running with doing direct edits. (:
[17:51] <godbyk> I agree that Mallard is easier than Docbook. Docbook has *so many tags* to learn.  :)
[17:53] <littlegirl> godbyk: Agreed, and I believe they recently updated to a new version which is quite different and makes it awfully hard to verify the tags, and I don't think Ubuntu or any of its derivatives upgraded to it (probably for that reason). (:
[17:53] <littlegirl> godbyk: Do you guys use LP blueprints to keep track of merges?
[17:54] <littlegirl> Or just the spreadsheet?
[17:54] <godbyk> littlegirl: At the moment, I'm just the spreadsheet.
[17:55] <godbyk> littlegirl: The Ubuntu docs were last updated for 12.10, so we're behind a bit. Our workflow is a bit haphazard this cycle while we rush around to get things up and running again.
[17:57] <littlegirl> godbyk: Not a problem. I just like to know what's where and what I need to edit or reference. (:
[17:58] <littlegirl> godbyk: I used to have to do http://paste.ubuntu.com/6102646/ every time I pushed a change to the LP server with bzr. Do I have to do anything like this with the Ubuntu documentation or is this sort of thing no longer necessary since I now have godly documentation powers? (:
[18:00] <godbyk> littlegirl: Ha! Well, you can still follow that procedure if you like. It's the more proper way to do things, I suppose.
[18:00] <godbyk> littlegirl: But if it's a simple change, you can just commit it directly yourself.
[18:00] <godbyk> littlegirl: I'd recommend running "ubuntu-help/C/check_validation.sh blah.page" before committing, though, to ensure you didn't introduce validation errors.
[18:01] <godbyk> (Something I've been guilty of!)
[18:01] <godbyk> I get emails whenever someone commits to the repository, so I skim over those to see what changes were made.
[18:02] <littlegirl> godbyk: Okay, sounds good, and I'll definitely do the validation. (:
[18:04] <godbyk> I have to run off for a meeting now. I'll be back in about three hours.
[18:04] <godbyk> littlegirl: If you run into any problems or have any questions, feel free to ask in this IRC channel or email the list at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:04] <godbyk> littlegirl: Thanks for your help!
[18:05] <littlegirl> godbyk: Okay, will do. Thanks for your help, too! (: