[00:50] <budser> Is there anyone here who might be able to help me with my display settings?
[00:51] <budser> I tried to set up advanced desktop effects and now my windows have no close/minimize/maximize buttons!
[00:52] <budser> I guess you're all watching the game :^/
[00:54] <budser> if there were a way to restore the default settings I would be happy
[00:56] <skarface> budser: run ccsm
[00:57] <skarface> do you have emerald?
[01:00] <budser> I did set up emerald
[01:01] <budser> I followed the instructions closely at http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/
[01:01] <budser> but I guess I don't have the right hardware to use advanced desktop settings
[01:01] <budser> compiz, or whatever
[01:04] <budser> anybody?
[01:16] <budser> well, I deselected "save session" and restarted
[01:16] <budser> looks like it's back to how it was
[02:29] <budser> anybody here know how to set up bluetooth?
[02:58] <cookiemonster077> while following a xubuntu tutorial i was given this code './usp_update install' to install usp i get an error when it is entered can u tell me why?
[05:40] <neur1> hello
[05:41] <neur1> trying to config sound, theres no alsa? what is there?
[05:42] <neur1> tries alsaconfig is that the wrong command
[05:48] <totalwormface> try alsamixer
[05:48] <neur1> k
[05:48] <totalwormface> also try 'sudo /etc/init.d/alsa status' to check if alsa is running :]
[05:50] <neur1> k
[09:24] <giac123> hi just installed Xubuntu: fonts are microscopic
[09:24] <giac123> smaller than you can imagine
[09:24] <giac123> note: I didn't change any setting
[09:27] <giac123> hi?
[09:29] <giac123> is there anybody out there?
[09:30] <TheSheep> giac123: set your dpi in the /etc/xorg.conf in the display section
[09:30] <TheSheep> giac123: xubuntu tries to detect how large your monitor is and scale the fonts accordingly, but it fails with some drivers and/or monitors
[09:31] <giac123> thanks
[09:32] <TheSheep> giac123: more details: http://scanline.ca/dpi/
[09:45] <white_eagle> how to make xfwm to be my default compositing manager?  My computer is not that great (P4 3ghz, 512mb ram, radeon 9250) but i am wondering if it is worth getting new driver from the ATI website instead of the driver installed with gutsy.
[11:54] <TheSheep> RaskahRat: just use the restricted drivers manager
[11:56] <RaskahRat> TheSheep, When i open it it tells me that i dont need restricted drivers for my hardware, but when i search people say to get drivers from ATI for games because of better performance.
[11:57] <TheSheep> !ati
[11:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:57] <RaskahRat> I realise that it will be not6 as good as running it nativly running it in wine but in winblows i get 45fps and under wine i get around 8fps
[11:58] <TheSheep> maybe some settings in wine itself then?
[11:58] <TheSheep> !wine
[11:58] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[11:58] <TheSheep> or maybe you should get cedega?
[11:58] <RaskahRat> hmmm yeah i'm poor lol
[11:59] <TheSheep> well, there is a cvs version of cedega you can build yourself for free
[11:59] <RaskahRat> just nervous cause i'm new to linux
[11:59] <RaskahRat> oh really?
[11:59] <TheSheep> thre is even a script that does it, I think
[11:59] <TheSheep> but I'm not usre about it all, it might be old information
[11:59] <TheSheep> I don't play windows games
[12:01] <RaskahRat> Ok damn..... for some reason Xchat runs full screen over my menu's and all and i can't figure out how to fix it.  But everything else does.
[12:05] <TheSheep> looks like he window manager is not running
[12:05] <TheSheep> the
[12:05] <TheSheep> you played with compiz?
[12:06] <RaskahRat> i'm using compiz and emerald. But this only happens with xchat... if i quit everything else works fine.
[12:06] <TheSheep> I guess that's a problem with compiz and/or its interaction with xchat
[12:07] <TheSheep> I'm glad compiz doesn't ship with xubuntu by default :)
[12:07] <RaskahRat> yeah its a little buggy
[12:07] <RaskahRat> i do like the shuiny  cube though /sigh
[12:08] <TheSheep> try 3ddesktop
[12:08] <TheSheep> it does the cube without compiz
[12:08] <TheSheep> but it's a hack
[12:11] <RaskahRat> hmmm
[12:13] <RaskahRat> in the binary driver howto, in the prerequisites, it says if "You need hardware-accelerated 3D support, or display refresh rates higher than 60 Hz. The open source drivers are fine for all other areas." but then it also says thjat the fglrx drivers dont support cards earlier than the radeon 9500
[12:16] <TheSheep> RaskahRat: I really don't know, you might try asking on #ubuntu, #wine or even #compiz-fusion
[12:16]  * TheSheep <-- uses nvidia
[12:18] <RaskahRat> TheSheep, ok thanks anyway
[12:28] <PsynoKhi0> greetings, should hdparm be selected in the list of services, on a laptop?
[12:29] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: not necessarily, if you didin't change anything in /etc/hdparm
[12:29] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: most people don't need to tweak their hard disk drive parameters
[12:31] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: ok, I was wondering if I could get rid of that intermitent HDD ticking
[12:34] <PsynoKhi0> when the computer is idle, I mean... I have checked whether laptop mode was enabled and it isn't, though still kinda wondering if that can affect HDD life span (rather old lappy I was given away, and first one I own so...)
[13:53] <newermind> hello there. I currently run Xubuntu 7.10 and I have a question regarding thunar: is
[13:53] <newermind> is it possible to show file transfers between folders?
[14:09] <deanecro> hello
[15:43] <RaskahRat> Hello all =)
[15:44] <RaskahRat> does anyone here have experience with ati drivers on 7.10?
[16:06] <CapsAdmin> I'm trying to install xubuntu on my computer, but it doesn't seem to go any further than:
[16:06] <CapsAdmin> * Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)
[16:06] <CapsAdmin> Is this normal? Or is the CD defect or something
[16:06] <CapsAdmin> I checked it, but it told me it was alright
[16:10] <beetai> CapsAdmin: Did you do an md5sum check?
[16:13] <CapsAdmin> ?
[16:13] <CapsAdmin> I don'T
[16:13] <CapsAdmin> ?
[16:14] <CapsAdmin> I don't know, I chose the check cd option*
[16:17] <CapsAdmin> brb
[16:21] <CapsAdmin> back
[16:37] <beetai> CapsAdmin: What model of computer?
[16:40] <beetai> CapsAdmin: Some computers won't boot all the way without disabling ACPI or other kernel options
[16:58] <CapsAdmin> I have a p5ad2e- premium motherboard
[16:58] <CapsAdmin> HDD is in raid 0 mode
[16:58] <CapsAdmin> I want to dual boot xubuntu and vista
[16:59] <CapsAdmin> I did splitt my hdd for xubuntu
[16:59] <CapsAdmin> split*
[17:00] <CapsAdmin> beetai: 4gb ram and x850xt pe. I don't think that matters, but still
[17:02] <beetai> CapsAdmin: From what I can see p5ad2e should work just fine.  From what you are saying you are not able to boot the xubuntu live install cd?
[17:03] <CapsAdmin> When I choose start or install from the menu, it stops at what I said earlier
[17:03] <CapsAdmin> I can't remember what that was, but it stops there
[17:04] <CapsAdmin> Nothing happens after that
[17:08] <CapsAdmin> beetai: It does boot, and I can choose what to do in the menu
[17:20] <Breakage> !irssi
[17:20] <ubotu> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.
[17:21] <PsynoKhi0> Ermm I'm trying to compile catfish 0.3 but when making I get an error mesage about msgfmt not found, though I have the gettext-base package, do I need the "gettext" one too?
[17:51] <beetai> CapsAdmin: I would download and burn a small linux like Damm Small Linux or Puppy Linux. Those are both 50 meg downloads. And see if I can boot off of those. If I could get a good boot from a small linux CD. I would then check the MD5sum on the xubuntu CD I had downloaded.
[18:18] <jono> hi all
[18:18] <jono> anyone know who is working on the EEE port?
[18:32] <maxamillion> jono: i have no idea, but i find it to be a very interesting concept .... would actually give me a reason to buy an EEE
[18:32]  * maxamillion should find that out
[18:36] <maxamillion> jono: it appears that the project isn't actually part of the official xubuntu development team or cycle ... but that of the eeeuser.com community --> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
[21:14] <speedcore> Randyboy:  Is it a PCI or PCI-e card..  and what kind of mobo, one with pci-e or pci?
[22:29] <Euan2> Hello, what are the minimum system requirements for Xubuntu?
[22:30] <chrsghoyt> requirements are listed on this page: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[22:30] <Euan2> thanks
[22:30] <chrsghoyt> no problem
[22:31] <chrsghoyt> I finally got video working in mythtv
[22:31] <chrsghoyt> it only took me a couple of days
[22:31] <chrsghoyt> now I need to figure out how to get sound working in mythtv
[22:41] <chrsghoyt> any mythtv gurus around?
[22:43] <march> n8
[23:29] <Moptop650> Anyone mind helping me with installing xubuntu? Im having trouble with partitioning
[23:35] <soren121> moptop here needs some help, people!
[23:35] <soren121> lol
[23:36] <Moptop650> :O
[23:36] <Moptop650> Hey you >.>
[23:36] <soren121> hi lol
[23:36] <Moptop650> http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5258/1000468uv9.jpg is what im looking at right now
[23:37] <soren121> :/
[23:37] <soren121> can you select the partitions?
[23:39] <Moptop650> Select as in?
[23:39] <Moptop650> go down and edit them yeah
[23:39] <soren121> which one is the xubuntu partition?
[23:39] <soren121> 1.7gb or 1.0?
[23:39] <soren121> im assuming 1.7
[23:40] <soren121> cuz it has the boot flag
[23:40] <soren121> go down and edit it
[23:40] <soren121> then tell me what it says
[23:40] <Moptop650> yeah 1.7
[23:42] <Moptop650> it says ---> http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6858/1000469et1.jpg
[23:42] <soren121> can you put your cursor on the mount point?
[23:42] <soren121> brb
[23:43] <Moptop650> yeah
[23:43] <Moptop650> oooo
[23:43] <Moptop650> I gotta change it to /
[23:43] <Moptop650> xD
[23:43] <soren121> yeah...>_>
[23:43] <soren121> lol
[23:43] <Moptop650> Ballin
[23:43] <Moptop650> Thx lol
[23:43] <soren121> your welcome
[23:43] <soren121> as always
[23:43] <soren121> :P
[23:43] <Moptop650> xD
[23:43] <Moptop650> lets go back to msn
[23:43] <soren121> k
[23:56] <ut4r82> hello all I'm muchtar
[23:57] <ut4r82> I'm newbies in xubuntu
[23:57] <ut4r82> I wanna ask u how to install openoffice in xubuntu
[23:58] <ere4si> open the synaptic package manager from the system menu and search for open office - click it then click the apply button


[06:06] <vpol> hi all.
[06:06] <vpol> is anybody alive here? :)
[06:37] <vpol> MagnusR: hi. are you from u-d team?
[06:49] <Burgwork> vpol: I am the undead
[06:49] <Burgwork> what do you need help with
[06:49] <vpol> Burgwork: actually i'm looking if that team is active.
[06:50] <Burgwork> yes, we are active
[06:51] <Burgwork> absolutely
[06:51] <Burgwork> what sort of things are you interested in working on?
[06:52] <vpol> i have 2,5-year skill in linux C-programming. also studying python.
[06:53] <vpol> Burgwork: so, may be i can be usefull somewhere in "daemon" or "protocol" programming.
[06:53] <Burgwork> ahh
[06:53] <Burgwork> so ajmitch is working on a client side solution
[06:53] <Burgwork> have you worked with debian packages before?
[06:53] <vpol> sure
[06:53] <Burgwork> one of the big things that needs to be done is the packaging of Fedora Directory Server
[06:54] <Burgwork> ajmitch has worked some on it
[06:55] <vpol> hmm. i'll try to do it.
[06:56] <Burgwork> what timezone are you?
[06:56] <vpol> GMT+3.
[06:56] <vpol> but now i'm on vacations... so available almost 24 hours.
[06:56] <Burgwork> ah, ok
[06:56] <Burgwork> ajmitch is +10 or 11 I think
[06:56] <Burgwork> he will be on later
[06:57] <vpol> it's ok.
[06:57] <vpol> Burgwork: the only thing i need - a couple of coffie-cups :)
[06:57] <Burgwork> ahh
[06:58] <Burgwork> you should contact ajmitch before you start working on packaging of FDS
[06:58] <vpol> sure.
[06:58] <vpol> funny:
[06:58] <vpol> dsbuild is a build system which helps you build the Fedora Directory server. It downloads defined source tarballs, checks their integrity, decompresses, patches, configures and builds them.
[06:58] <vpol> It is loosely based on the Konstruct builder which itself uses the GAR build system.
[06:58] <vpol> thay developed their own build-system, that uses another one, and the other one uses one more one :)
[07:00] <vpol> i'll go read some docs to understand a bit more on FDS architecture.
[07:09] <Burgwork> fds is working on splitting out the front end from the backend and autotooling the backend
[08:29] <Burgwork> ajmitch: vpol was asking about helping with -directory stuff
[08:30] <Burgwork> he said he was interested in helping with fds packaging
[08:30] <ajmitch> k
[08:30] <ajmitch> k
[08:30] <Burgwork> I said to talk with you
[08:30] <Burgwork> apparently, the split has happened, nkinder and I spoke with -ds
[08:30] <ajmitch> yes I know
[08:31] <Burgwork> ok, I am going for lunch
[08:31] <ajmitch> bye
[08:33] <vpol> ajmitch: good morning/day/evening.
[08:35] <vpol> ajmitch: can you explain a bit what should i do and what is already done?
[08:57] <ajmitch> hi, sorry, it's a bit disorganised at the moment, as I'm working from cvs code & packaging up bits & pieces of it all


[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <davmor2> ara how's berlin?
[11:12] <ara> hey davmor2!
[11:12] <ara> davmor2, good thanks, after a couple of days cleaning, the place looks like a home now
[12:25]  * ara -> lunch
[13:46] <davmor2> morning fader_
[13:46] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude, what's shakin'?
[13:47] <davmor2> fader_: the tree tops outside in the wind
[16:24] <ara> davmor2, ping
[16:24] <davmor2> ara: hello
[16:25] <ara> hey davmor2, as part of this blueprint:
[16:25] <ara> davmor2, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-iso-testcases-review
[16:26] <ara> we need to create an upgrade test for wubi installations
[16:26] <ara> davmor2, would it be different that the one described at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/DesktopUpgrade
[16:26] <ara> ?
[16:27] <davmor2> no, once wubi is installed it should (at least that is the theory) act like any other install
[16:27] <ara> davmor2, ok, thanks, then it is only adding that to the tracker
[16:28] <ara> davmor2, thanks!
[16:28] <davmor2> sound like it ;)
[16:28]  * ara hugs davmor2
[17:02]  * ara takes a break
[18:01] <ara> meeting now at #ubuntu-quality
[18:04] <nagappan> ara, can I join ?
[18:05] <ara> nagappan, sure!
[18:05] <ara> nagappan, you're more than welcome
[18:06] <nagappan> ara, thanks :)
[20:51] <dany69> hi all
[20:51] <dany69> i need some help from admin. it is possible?
[20:54] <fader_> dany69: Not sure what you are looking for, so I can't say
[20:54] <fader_> dany69: This channel is specifically about testing Ubuntu so regardless you probably need to look elsewhere anyway :)
[20:54] <dany69> i need to find a complete list of compatible notebook's with ubuntu 10.04
[20:55] <fader_> dany69: Ah, reasonable... let me see what I can get you
[20:55] <fader_> dany69: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/list/?release=10.04%20LTS&category=Laptop
[20:55] <fader_> Those are the systems that have been tested by Canonical and officially certified on 10.04 (currently -- that list will grow)
[20:55] <fader_> That doesn't mean those are the only notebooks that work in 10.04 of course, just that those are the ones Canonical has certified
[20:56] <fader_> dany69: You might also be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=135
[20:56] <dany69> i understand
[20:56] <fader_> Both of these have more information from the community
[20:57] <dany69> i have been try to install ubuntu on my old laptop's and i think was broken my dvd-rm firmware.
[20:58] <dany69> it was working, but after i maked upgrade to my kernel, my dvd-rw does'nt work anymore. also into windows
[20:59] <dany69> i will wait to  grow that list, there are just two models of asus there
[20:59] <dany69> :D
[20:59] <dany69> 10x for the help.
[20:59] <fader_> dany69: You might want to file a bug on launchpad.net as well -- if it is an issue with Ubuntu it may be something that other people can help fix :)
[21:00] <fader_> dany69: No problem... good luck :)
[23:55] <arcane> !maverick
[23:55] <ubot4> Maverick Meerkat is the codename for Ubuntu 10.10, due October 2010 - Maverick is Not released and Not Stable, discussion and support in #ubuntu+1


[00:17] <pmatulis> apparently when a LXD-backed controller is created there are some LXD profiles that come with it. one is supposedly called 'juju-default'. where can i see these?
[01:34] <wallyworld> pmatulis: off hand i can't remember but heather wil know for sure
[01:34] <wallyworld> tlm: got 5?
[02:20] <Chipaca> is 2.7.1 the right cutoff for deciding whether relation-get/relation-set know about --app ?
[02:20] <Chipaca> https://discourse.juju.is/t/juju-2-7-1-release-notes/2495 seems to imply that but i'm not positive; 2.7.2 already talks about fixing bugs in relation-get --app :)
[02:21] <Chipaca> and i have reports of it not working on 2.7.0
[02:21]  * Chipaca realises there aren't many options left in there :)
[02:29] <tlm> wallyworld: back now
[02:30] <wallyworld> tlm: dog ok?
[02:30] <tlm> for the moment :)
[02:30] <tlm> HO wallyworld  ?
[02:31] <wallyworld> Chipaca: not sure off hand - but have you considered upgrading to 2.7.6 where any such issues will be mot?
[02:31] <wallyworld> tlm: i answered by own question, so no need for HO
[02:31] <tlm> ah cool
[02:31] <wallyworld> *moot
[02:31] <Chipaca> wallyworld: i'm running 2.8 here :) but some heathens dare run older versions and still wnat to run charms
[02:32] <wallyworld> they ned to upgrade cause really, anything < 2.7.6 is not so much supported
[02:32] <wallyworld> if there's a bug we'd to them to upgrade
[02:33] <wallyworld> relation-set app came in in 2.7
[02:33] <wallyworld> but there were early bugs from emmory
[02:33] <wallyworld> so if they use < 2.7.6 they may not be happy
[02:34] <Chipaca> they're aware it's an issue, but they can't upgrade everywhere at this time
[02:35] <Chipaca> wallyworld: but, good to know relation-get and relation-set got it at different times
[02:35] <Chipaca> er, or maybe i misunderstood you
[02:35] <wallyworld> relation-get/set would have been done at the same time
[02:36] <Chipaca> ok :)
[02:36] <wallyworld> it was part of an overall feature
[02:36] <Chipaca> to be clear i don't think they're using the feature, it's just that we always sent --app=<bool> and it trips up on them
[02:41] <Chipaca> ok, back to sleep. 👋
[03:02] <tlm> wallyworld: got 5 min for HO ?
[03:02] <wallyworld> ok
[06:16] <wallyworld> manadart: there's been a field critical bug, here's a PR i need your input on; not sure about my new link layer device removal code, i think we need to delete them even if a parent device (furture PR will want to compose as a model op as well but for now...). also, i am unclear why we would have excluded containers in the first place, that code seems like it was done way back in 2013 so who knows https://github.com/juju/juju/
[06:16] <wallyworld> pull/11682
[06:20] <manadart> wallyworld: Hmm. That code path is used now by both the instance-poller and the machiner. So I think this will cause flapping if there is a device seen by the machine, but not the provider.
[06:20] <manadart> I am actually working on this at present in the context of another bug.
[06:20] <wallyworld> ok, no problem, i can abandon the PR if appropriate
[06:22] <wallyworld> the quick fix was to remove the container ceck
[06:22] <wallyworld> but then we got orphansed entries
[06:23] <wallyworld> i think we need to then separate out provider vs machine devices, like we do for addresses?
[06:23] <wallyworld> ot at least tag where they came from
[06:24] <wallyworld> so we can then delete macine vs provider devices properly
[06:24] <wallyworld> and we aggregate in the getter?
[06:40] <manadart> wallyworld: Prior patches have introduced the idea of device address origin. This way the provider can effectively relinquish devices to the machiner, and the machiner can safely remove them if not observed.
[06:40] <manadart> That's the bit I'm on at present.
[06:42] <wallyworld> sounds good, i was sort of hinting at something similar i think. so this new work is in 2.8 right? we need a quick fix for 2.7
[06:55] <manadart> wallyworld: I will see if I can back-port.
[06:55] <wallyworld> ok, ty, i should close my PR then
[06:56] <wallyworld> did you want to include the small actual fix in yours? ie remove the container check? or i can slim mine down to just d that bit
[08:36] <achilleasa> manadart: can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11670?
[08:37] <manadart> achilleasa: I'm working a field-critical bug ATM.
[08:37] <achilleasa> manadart: nw, I will look into another bug for now
[08:49] <manadart> achilleasa: Actually, can you hop in Daily?
[10:57] <stickupkid> manadart, CR when you get a chance https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11684
[12:32] <jam> manadart or achilleasa did either of you see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1882127
[12:32] <mup> Bug #1882127: nil pointer dereference in 'relation-set' <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.7:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882127>
[12:33] <manadart> jam: Yeah, I'll take a look when I've a moment.
[12:35] <achilleasa> jam: that's an odd one. It means that either r.Settings or r.ApplicationSettings returned nil without an error (https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/2.7/worker/uniter/runner/jujuc/relation-set.go#L150-L160). Is it confirmed that we saw this in 2.7.6?
[12:35] <jam> achilleasa, that is what was reported, I haven't reproduced it
[12:37] <achilleasa> asking because we did some work in 2.7.6 to fix some of the issues accessing application data (inc. fixing some err var shadowing issues)
[12:38] <achilleasa> I will take a closer look later today
[12:42] <jam> achilleasa, thanks
[12:42] <achilleasa> jam: also, we do have integration tests that check access to unit/app data in various scenarios: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/tests/suites/relations/relation_data_exchange.sh
[12:50] <stickupkid> achilleasa, I bet you this is a Settings(nil) issue
[12:50] <achilleasa> stickupkid: they should be getting an empty map or an error
[12:51] <achilleasa> I suspect based on the bug report that this is a nil returned when fetching the ApplicationData
[12:51] <stickupkid> achilleasa, yeah, i don't get it yet, doing more looking
[12:51] <stickupkid> achilleasa, I'm just putting my flag in the sand
[12:51] <achilleasa> if you got a bit of time, can you run the integration tests against 2.7.6?
[12:52] <achilleasa> (the one linked above)
[12:52] <jam> achilleasa, stickupkid : yeah given the Python code is grabbing the application data, it would be that ApplicationSettings is returning nil, nil
[12:52] <stickupkid> achilleasa, sure, let me sort that out
[12:53] <stickupkid> achilleasa, do it after daily
[12:56] <stickupkid> there are a lot of places that check that certain things exist in a map, but not actually the value of said item in the map is valid
[13:00] <jam> stickupkid, achilleasa for more context, it is a k8s charm where this is happening
[13:00] <jam> specifically this charm: https://github.com/davigar15/zookeeper/tree/master/src happening in this code: https://github.com/davigar15/zookeeper/blob/master/mod/zookeeper/zookeeper_provides.py
[14:03] <stickupkid> petevg, I think we can mark it as wontfix tbh https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1882571
[14:03] <mup> Bug #1882571: juju schema doesn't contain docs <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882571>
[14:03] <petevg> stickupkid: agreed. Thx for the comment on it :-)
[14:27] <pmatulis> hml, i've been told you may help me. apparently when a LXD-backed controller is created there are some LXD profiles that come with it. one is supposedly called 'juju-default'. where can i see these?
[14:28] <hml> pmatulis:  on the machine the lxd containers are running on
[14:28] <hml> pmatulis:  there is a profile created per model.  so by default “juju-defaul” and “juju-controller”
[14:31] <stickupkid> pmatulis, lxc profile list and lxc profile show juju-default
[15:00] <pmatulis> hml, stickupkid: ok, so juju effectively creates a lxc profile (lxc profile create) along for every model that it creates and will apply that profile for that model?
[15:00] <hml> pmatulis:  yes.  the profile is applied to all machines in that model
[15:01] <hml> pmatulis:  the default profile is also use
[15:01] <hml> for all lxd machine
[15:03] <pmatulis> hml, i don't understand. two profiles are used?
[15:03] <hml> pmatulis:  the default one is what’ever the user put into the profile.  and contains network interfaces by default
[15:03] <hml> pmatulis:  the juju one is what juju requires
[15:04] <hml> pmatulis:  yes, 2 profiles minimum
[15:05] <pmatulis> hml, wow ok thanks
[15:06] <stickupkid> pmatulis, think of them as a stack or profiles to apply. You concat them together to give you the container you want/need
[15:08] <pmatulis> stickupkid, so that default profile should normally never be deleted
[15:09] <stickupkid> pmatulis, indeed because we use that to find the bridge name
[15:09] <pmatulis> would an error occur if a container was created w/o the 'default' profile? i mean, even for pure lxd (not juju)
[15:11] <stickupkid> pmatulis, not sure tbh, would need to test that scenario
[15:12] <pmatulis> stickupkid, cheers thanks
[15:15] <hml> stickupkid: doesn’t juju verify the network info is in the default profile?  i can’t remember if it rewrites the default profile if its not
[15:16] <stickupkid> hml, it never re-writes the default profile, it just queries it
[15:16] <hml> stickupkid: so what happens if there isn’t a nic defined then?
[15:17] <stickupkid> hml, there is logic around this, will check
[15:18] <stickupkid> hml, pmatulis we expect default profile in a lot of places
[15:20] <stickupkid> hml, oh wow, we do update the default, I was wrong sorry
[15:20] <stickupkid> https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/container/lxd/network.go#L183
[15:21] <hml> stickupkid: i thought so… remember being in that code a long time ago
[15:21] <stickupkid> hml, forgot about that, been a long time
[15:25] <pmatulis> stickupkid, ok thanks for that follow up
[15:41] <pmatulis> stickupkid, and if a charm itself included a profile the associated container would use a stack of three profiles?
[15:47] <stickupkid> pmatulis, correct
[15:49] <pmatulis> got it thx
[15:53] <stickupkid> achilleasa, I can't reproduce the bug
[15:54] <stickupkid> achilleasa, well with the integration tests
[15:54] <achilleasa> even on 2.7.5?
[16:07] <stickupkid> achilleasa, 2.7.5 returns     |     |
[16:07] <stickupkid>     | ERROR invalid value "db:2" for option -r: relation not found
[16:07] <stickupkid>     | ERROR permission denied
[16:07] <stickupkid>     | ERROR permission denied
[16:15] <achilleasa> stickupkid: yeah... that was one of the things that got fixed in 2.7.6
[16:23] <stickupkid> achilleasa, ho?
[16:23] <achilleasa> stickupkid: omw
[23:28] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ho for azure stuff?


[02:42] <suehtamac> Is Anybody Here?
[19:01] <artnay> bah, once again chromium imports (from chrome) overwrite chromium translations


[00:00] <ubuntuisloved> i find that very hard to believe yes i know i have the log too
[00:00] <PriceChild> I think we are all agreed that the ban will stay.
[00:00] <ubuntuisloved> ok well ops i mean
[00:00] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, well, i must admit i also *did* find your english *very* hard to parse
[00:00] <LjL> not just today
[00:00] <LjL> also other times i noticed you talking in the channel
[00:00] <ubuntuisloved> well i mistyped
[00:00] <ubuntuisloved> i always help users
[00:01] <ubuntuisloved> price child i might think you don't fully understand what i mean
[00:01] <PriceChild> !who
[00:01] <ubotu> As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[00:02] <PriceChild> I think that would make things a lot easier.
[00:02] <ubuntuisloved> so do i just type !tab then the nick?
[00:02] <ubuntuisloved> !tab PriceChild  test
[00:02] <LjL> no
[00:02] <PriceChild> !tab
[00:02] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[00:03] <LjL> ubuntuislTAB hello
[00:03] <Pici> no.. your tab key.. on the keyboard.
[00:03] <ubuntuisloved> ahh
[00:03] <PriceChild> ubuntuisloved, try it on me :)
[00:04] <ubuntuisloved> PriceChild: test
[00:04] <PriceChild> wooo :)
[00:04] <ubuntuisloved> PriceChild: does this mean i am speaking directly to one person?
[00:04] <PriceChild> That will make conversations you are involved in a *lot* easier to follow, if you are directing speech at a user
[00:05] <PriceChild> ubuntuisloved, no, but notice how this text appears a different colour to you because i used your name
[00:05] <ubuntuisloved> PriceChild: ohh how is it different then a /msg then?
[00:05] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: because everyone can read it.
[00:06] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: thnks
[00:06] <mneptok> i <3 vowels
[00:06] <Pici> mnptk: me too
[00:06] <PriceChild> ubuntuisloved, it makes sure who you are speaking to doesn't miss your advice as it is hilighted
[00:06] <LjL> mneptok: says the guy with a nickname starting with "mn"
[00:07] <PriceChild> ubuntuisloved, it also makes sure people know who you are talking to... and means you don't look like you are offering advice for one problem, to the wrong person
[00:07] <ubuntuisloved> PriceChild: ahhhh
[00:07] <ubuntuisloved> PriceChild: well not everyone knows perfect irc this irc stuff is all new to me
[00:07] <PriceChild> conversation moves quickly in #ubuntu and replies take time to type...
[00:07] <PriceChild> of course, we were all beginners once
[00:08] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: so then take advice and criticism without warning people that they are harassing yiu?
[00:08] <mneptok> *you
[00:08] <ubuntuisloved> PriceChild: but either way i think its wrong how i was dealt with on that channel
[00:09] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: i took your advice i thought it was a user harrasing me? how was i to know? they never said what this troll was or such?
[00:09] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: they never asked me what i was talking about before booting me either
[00:09] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: the poiunt is, if you don't know what is going on, pleae don't begin wildly throwing punches.
[00:10] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: i wasn't throwing punches i was just telling the user to stop harrasing me i was only trying to help the user who asked about the cdripper info
[00:10] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: But they didn't ask about cdripper info.
[00:10] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: so much for helping others
[00:11] <Pici> They were asking about an addon for k3b for mp3s.  k3b is a program for burning CDs.
[00:11] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: if you don't understand how IRC works, or what an IRC troll is, why tell someone they're harassing you?
[00:11] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: BB88>	Anybody know of a CD Ripper better than Sound Juicer; it is very limited?
[00:11] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: yes they did
[00:12] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: because i was busy helping the user and they were telling me to get off the channel? how rude?
[00:12] <Pici> nevermind.
[00:12] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: and now you can see why im upset
[00:12] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: Everyone thought you were talking to the person who asked about k3b.
[00:13] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: then they should of stated thats not for k3b
[00:13] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: not start throwing tickets like a harrasing cop
[00:13] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: I also answered his question already telling him to install k3b-mp3 for it
[00:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Guys check out  Ganjistus
[00:14] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: You also told someone to 'just google' for their answer. Thats not really an answer.
[00:14] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, watching
[00:14] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[00:15] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: And like we said, it is *very* hard to follow whats going on if you dont prefix your messages with the person's name.
[00:15] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: asking firefox to start faster its much more complicated then stated everything in Irc so i gave them the link to firefox since theres many how to's
[00:15] <Pici> PriceChild: I've had to kick him in the past.
[00:15] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, next time please give people *specific* howtos that you know are good. google has many answers, some of which awfully wrong
[00:15] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: exuse me but i have a registered name under caps and never was kicked ever before show me in the logs where this is so !
[00:15] <LjL> and possibly dangerous
[00:16] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: you were told that if you were a troll, someone would suggest you leave. you then warned them of their "harassment"
[00:16] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: your right i should of came here to turn them in but i was unaware of this channel
[00:16] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: I was referring to Ganjistus when talking to PriceChild, not you.
[00:16] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: i agree with their sentiment completely. if you are a troll, i would suggest you leave any Ubuntu channels.
[00:16] <ubuntuisloved> ohh
[00:16] <ubuntuisloved> Pici: sorry
[00:17] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: that's not harassment. it's a statement of my opinion.
[00:17] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: i understand but do you assume everyone knows what a troll is?
[00:17] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: i only knew of a word BOT
[00:17] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: "warning" someone for saying "if you plan to abuse this channel or its users, please leave" is a bit much
[00:17] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: by the time i tried to type in that i was not a bot they kicked me
[00:18] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: and again, if you don't know, come and ask before throwing warnings around.
[00:18] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: I understand your point ...Point taken i apologize
[00:19] <ompaul> PriceChild, pieisgood is trollish
[00:20] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, please read the following (use /msg ubotu !word), especially coc and guidelines, and when you're done please tell us if you find them reasonable and/or are not clear with something
[00:20] <LjL> !etiquette
[00:20] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense...
[00:20] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: no need to apologize. just understand why people got a bit upset at yor behavior.
[00:21] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: but also take in account that you need to explain to the user a bit more and give them at least a chance to type back
[00:22] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: i didnt have two seconds to type to Chousuke>	UBUNTUISLOVED sounds like a bot :P to explain i was no bot
[00:22]  * ompaul chases mneptok for the source    ---      of a rumour
[00:23] <mneptok> ompaul: i don't do rumors.
[00:23] <ompaul> mneptok, that is why there is a u in it
[00:23] <mneptok> or, at least, i never admit to it.
[00:23] <ompaul> gotcha!
[00:23] <Pici> ubuntuisloved: I don't believe that you were kicked for 'being a bot'
[00:24] <LjL> why don't we all just let him read the guidelines and related information so he'll know how he's expected to behave and then we can talk on common grounds
[00:24] <Pici> Sounds good.
[00:25] <ompaul> ompaul@homer:~$ apt-cache policy xripper
[00:25] <ompaul> W: Unable to locate package xripper
[00:25]  * ompaul wonders what was going on
[00:25]  * ompaul goes back
[00:25] <ikonia> ompaul: not sure its in gutsy
[00:25] <jdong> isn't xripper some commercialware Windows tool?
[00:25]  * jdong tries to remember his windows cracking days
[00:25] <ikonia> no, a legacy X11 ripper
[00:26] <LjL> !ohmy | jdong
[00:26] <ubotu> jdong: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[00:26] <ompaul> !piracy | jdong
[00:26] <ubotu> jdong: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[00:26]  * ompaul sits on jdong
[00:26] <jdong> ikonia: do you mean xrip?
[00:26]  * LjL slips the chair under ompaul
[00:26] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: ok ive read this here
[00:26] <ompaul> that should give you some difficulty breathing
[00:26] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: When you disagree, consult others. Disagreements, both political and technical, happen all the time
[00:27] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: I should've done so
[00:27] <jdong> haha I suppose this isn't the place to submit my secret hush hush resume then ;-)
[00:27] <ikonia> jdong: not certain, I have xripper on my old box, but it could be the same thing
[00:27] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, you were not accurate with xripper, even if the intention was xrip  and that does not exist
[00:27] <ikonia> ompaul: nah, that was me
[00:27] <ubuntuisloved> huh?
[00:27] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: i did not state xripper sir?
[00:28]  * ompaul thinks me needs to read again
[00:28] <ikonia> ripperX
[00:28] <ikonia> not Xripper
[00:28] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: how are you writing in blue
[00:28] <jdong> ikonia: could just be namespace clash then. x + rip{er} isn't exactly a creative name by any means :)
[00:28] <jdong> ah, there we go
[00:28] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, good, so what about you're let back in and 1) you try your best to be as clear as possible (you were pretty clear in this channel, less so in #ubuntu) when giving advice or asking for advice, and 2) when someone says something you aren't quite sure about, you ask politely, *even if* it sounds like they're attacking you?
[00:29] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, that is your client that is choosing the colours
[00:29] <ikonia> jdong: reading the notes, was called Xripper but changed to ripperx due to illegal software clash you mentioned earlier
[00:29] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: no i mean you some how made it do that? i cant explain but what did you do differently?
[00:29] <jdong> ikonia: makes sense. xripper was a pretty infamous name from my old circles :)
[00:29] <ikonia> and ripperx is in the repo
[00:29] <ubuntuisloved> Lj
[00:29]  * mneptok likes blue
[00:29] <LjL> tab :)
[00:30] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: that i would appreciate
[00:30]  * mneptok likes /me which makes /me blue
[00:30] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, if mneptok is blue then it is called an action we do  /me does whatever
[00:30]  * ompaul does whatever
[00:30] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, and yeap I was wrong there with the xripper - it is midnight 34 time to sleep methinks
[00:30]  * ubuntuisloved thats very nice
[00:31] <LjL> ubuntuisloved: you may rejoin #ubuntu
[00:31] <ompaul> thats the one
[00:31] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: where do you find all these commands to use?
[00:31] <ompaul>  /help ;-)
[00:32] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, do /lastlog ompaul
[00:33] <ompaul> that is useful
[00:33] <ompaul> not 100% accurate but useful none the less
[00:35] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: says unknown
[00:35] <LjL> it's a client-specific command, it may not work on all IRC clients
[00:35] <ompaul> pity
[00:35] <ubuntuisloved> Ljl: ohh
[00:36] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: forgot tab again ....:( how do i get ahold of developers who make ubuntu
[00:37] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: I wanted to get details on developing and seeing what they offer for FTP gui into the repositories
[00:37] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: or who can i ask?
[00:38] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, i'm not sure what is the best way to get in contact with developers
[00:38] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[00:38] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: also why are some users having dark green icon and some do not
[00:38] <LjL> the bot has a list of a couple of GUIs for FTP servers, though
[00:38] <LjL> !ftpd
[00:38] <ubotu> FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: PureAdmin, GProftpd (for GNOME), KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[00:38] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: how am i aware who the mods are on irc channels?
[00:38] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: do you want a GUI FTP client?
[00:38] <LjL> ubuntuisloved: why do you need to know? just treat everyone with equal respect :)
[00:38] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: no i wanted to create a better interface more advanced one like wsftp pro
[00:39] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: better interface than what?
[00:39] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: i know its not that i just wanted to know why some show up in green some show in grey
[00:39] <elkbuntu> ubuntuisloved, greyed out people are set /away
[00:40] <ubuntuisloved> mneptok: i guess its not so much for me as i constantly see in the ubuntu forums users complaining our ftp programs are not as good as the ones in windows? so i wanted to help out
[00:40] <mneptok> !info gftp
[00:40] <ubotu> gftp: X/GTK+ FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.18-16ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 44 kB, installed size 76 kB
[00:40] <elkbuntu> ubuntuisloved, see im gray now
[00:40] <ikonia> I've never seen that complaint
[00:40] <mneptok> ubuntuisloved: ^^^^^^
[00:40] <ubuntuisloved> elkbuntu: but if thats true mine has all you guys as grey
[00:40] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, colors can mean many different things depending on the IRC client... in this channel for instance, some people are "voiced" (which doesn't really mean very much, but generally gives you a different color)
[00:41] <elkbuntu> oh... what client are you using?
[00:41] <ubuntuisloved> LjL: chatzilla
[00:41]  * elkbuntu twitches
[00:41]  * LjL runs
[00:41]  * ompaul shrieks
[00:41]  * ubuntuisloved im getting the feeling this is bad
[00:41] <LjL> yeah well i guess it's not what we feel is the cutest irc client around
[00:42] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, guess again, the words very very very are missing from that line I think and then it might be an understatement
[00:42] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: im not fully understanding why everyone dislikes this chat program?
[00:42] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, use a real one and find out
[00:42] <elkbuntu> ubuntuisloved, it has a habit of getting mass-banned, because people dont know how to change their ident, so *!chatzilla@* bans hundreds
[00:43] <LjL> ubuntuisloved, IRC may be old and rusty, but it's a pretty complicated although easy-looking protocol, with many not immediate intricacies
[00:43] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: suggestions?
[00:43] <LjL> dedicated clients are generally much better than "add-ons" for browsers and IM programs and such
[00:43] <ompaul> xchat
[00:43] <ompaul> not xchatgnome xchat
[00:43] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: im not sure if you asked about the gui for ftp but this link is just one of them http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225585
[00:44] <elkbuntu> ompaul, tbh, pidgin is probably even better than chatzilla, although it's not a standalone
[00:44] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, na when I ftp I use the command line
[00:44] <ubuntuisloved> elkbuntu: i have pidgin but i use it for IM
[00:44] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: i just use rsync
[00:44] <nalioth> this is not a support channel
[00:44] <elkbuntu> nalioth, good point
[00:45] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, you appear to be very tired - : im not sure if you asked about the gui for ftp but this link is just one of them http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225585 ubuntuisloved> LjL: I wanted to get details on developing and seeing what they offer for FTP gui into the repositories  I guess you did
[00:50] <ompaul> ubuntuisloved, is there anything else we can help you with?
[00:52] <ubuntuisloved> ompaul: im exhausted but i don't need to get in trouble with nalioth either so i need to take my conversation on another channel
[00:52] <ubuntuisloved> thanks
[00:57] <ompaul> ikonia, you may remember that phone call a couple of weeks ago - well I see on groklaw that moveable type is now GPLv2 more kit that rocks
[00:58] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[00:58] <ompaul> the blogging world gets a taste of freedom huh?
[00:58] <ompaul> pity it was not gplv3
[00:58] <ompaul> okay I got to split
[00:58] <ikonia> the year would be over when the reading of it had finished
[01:09] <ikonia> guys is anyone awake
[01:10] <PriceChild> ikonia, hmm?
[01:10] <ikonia> please looks at jason_ubuntuislo its ubuntuissolved again under a different name
[01:10] <ikonia> same ip
[01:12] <ikonia> he's starting again with "can I post a link"
[01:13] <PriceChild> and?
[01:14] <ikonia> it's dubious stuff again, his last link wasn't %100 irellevant
[01:14] <ikonia> I whois'd him as the info he was giving out was junk when he first joined
[01:14] <ikonia> I've just noted its the same guy
[01:14] <ikonia> worth a eye on
[02:20] <Pici> Might want to keep an eye on Fabio.  He was looking for a torjan [sic] before to control windows computers from Ubuntu.  He referred to them as victims.
[02:20] <LjL> an eye?
[02:21] <Pici> sigh... now hes querying me.
[02:21] <LjL> don't worry
[02:21] <fabio> hello everybody
[02:21] <LjL> fabio, let's put the legal/illegal issues aside for a moment. you say you're an Ubuntu developer, in which case you surely know about the Code of Conduct
[02:22] <fabio> LjL im there
[02:22] <LjL> i don't think calling someone a "bastard" suits its spirit
[02:22] <LjL> do you think so?
[02:22] <fabio> LjL
[02:22] <fabio> im sorry
[02:23] <fabio> but im realy want to control windows with ubuntu
[02:23] <fabio> :X
[02:23] <mneptok> fabio: with "victims?"
[02:23] <LjL> fabio, that's fine, but as soon as you say "trojan", that starts to fall into "questionably legal".
[02:23] <LjL> but i don't really care about that
[02:23] <LjL> if it's your own windows computer, you're free to do whatever you feel like
[02:23] <Tm_T> !vnc
[02:23] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:23] <LjL> just don't refer to people as "you bastard"
[02:24] <Tm_T> :(
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> Meanwhile, if you are talking about unauthorized access, that is not at all remotely welcome anywhere in the Ubuntu community.
[02:24] <fabio> LjL im sorry but if u see he calls me stupid
[02:25] <LjL> nah tonyyarusso, he really was *comparing* it to a trojan, since people were asking what he referred to with remote access
[02:25] <mneptok> fabio: why the PM?
[02:25] <LjL> he never really said he wanted a trojan
[02:25] <mneptok> fabio: you're saying "victims"
[02:25] <fabio> ---
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> LjL: fair enough.  Hence the "if" :)
[02:25] <fabio> no coments
[02:25] <LjL> fabio, i don't see him calling you a stupid
[02:25] <mneptok> fabio: this means you are using Ubuntu to maliciously attack other computers. this is a major violation of the CoC. as a developer, you should know better.
[02:26] <fabio> zzz
[02:26] <fabio> i know that
[02:26] <LjL> mneptok, to be fair though, he said "victim" while explaining what a trojan was
[02:26] <fabio> but people
 cpudan80: TORJAN / <fabio> lcpudan: its like an virus but controls victim computer
[02:27] <Pici> fabio: but what?
[02:27] <fabio> if we can destroy windows the people come to ubuntu
[02:27] <fabio> hhehehe
[02:27] <PriceChild> "Microsoft is not the enemy"
[02:27] <LjL> my apologies mneptok.
[02:27] <jdong> PriceChild: global warming is.
[02:28] <fabio> for me is
[02:28] <jdong> PriceChild: and this year, more carbon will be emitted into the ozone layer than parents will read a book to their children.
[02:28] <jdong> lol *sends in resume to al gore's office*
[02:28] <mneptok> LjL: no worries. my binoculars are somewhat more powerful, having IRCed for 15 years. ;)
[02:28] <LjL> fabio: wait a minute... you're saying you condone illegal and utterly immoral activities such as putting trojans on people's computer, in order for ubuntu to gain ground?
[02:28] <fabio> monopoly
[02:28] <PriceChild> fabio, we do not condone crime in the Ubuntu community at all. Even if it is supposedly to spread Ubuntu.
[02:28] <fabio> 90% of mundial computers are dominated with windows
[02:29] <LjL> (mneptok, i've irced for 8 years)
[02:29] <fabio> ok
[02:29] <Pici> mundial? Do I even want to look this up?
[02:29] <fabio> but is a good idea
[02:29] <fabio> ;)
[02:29] <LjL> no it isn't
[02:29] <fabio> im portuguese
[02:29] <fabio> my english is not very good
[02:29] <PriceChild> I've IRC'd for less than two years, I win :D
[02:30] <fabio> but i can expesse
[02:30] <fabio> *expresse
[02:30] <LjL> express
[02:30]  * jdong has an IRC eternal newb trophy.
[02:30] <LjL> jdong: and do you know what we do to eternal newbs?
[02:30] <Pici> fabio: There are many people here for whom English is not their first language.  That is not what we are discussing here.
[02:30] <PriceChild> fabio, I think the general idea that illegally "breaking" other people's computers is "VERY BAD" though yes?
[02:30] <PriceChild> In our opinion at least.
[02:30] <jdong> LjL: well you can't send me off to the forums. Too late!
[02:31] <LjL> jdong: oh crap.
[02:31] <fabio> PriveChild: u are right
[02:32] <LjL> fabio: good, so please read our guidelines (as well as the CoC, but i suppose you've read that already), and please abide by them in the future
[02:32] <LjL> !etiquette > fabio    (fabio, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:34] <fabio> people
[02:34] <LjL> yup?
[02:34] <fabio> i want to run gta san andreas in ubuntu
[02:35] <LjL> fabio, this is not a support channel
[02:54] <fabio> LjL
[02:54] <fabio> i know
[02:56]  * mneptok gets to level 7 in GTA: MBR
[02:56] <mneptok> i just shot a crack dealer and unlocked menu.lst!
[02:59] <fabio> mneptok
[02:59] <fabio> see the pvt plz
[03:00] <jdong> mneptok: pfft wait till you have to deal with the codec scripts in level 8. you won't be so excited then.
[03:00] <fabio> i have an nvidia gs 7600
[03:00] <fabio> graphics
[03:00] <mneptok> jdong: yeah, i heard the boss in the WMA level is really tough
[03:01] <mneptok> fabio: sorry, i'm not able to help you run Windows games with WINE
[03:01] <jdong> mneptok: yeah, redmond lawyers and DMCA cops chasing after you...
[03:01] <fabio> mneptok
[03:01] <fabio> ...
[03:01] <fabio> mneptok
[03:02] <mneptok> jdong: this game adds a whole new dimension to the term "race condition"
[03:02] <fabio> any alternative?
[03:02] <mneptok> fabio
[03:02] <mneptok> yeah, get a PS3
[03:02] <mneptok> or run Windows
[03:02] <Tm_T> .
[03:03] <Tm_T> I think pencil and paper is better alternative
[03:03] <Tm_T> charcoal!
[03:03] <PriceChild> Hmmm so I have told two companies where I live, and two companies only. Both say they haven't sold my information, so why am I getting spam mail?
[03:04] <Tm_T> PriceChild: it wasn't me!
[03:04] <fabio> mnrpyok .....
[03:04] <mneptok> PriceChild: addressed to you, or "Occupant?"
[03:04] <Tm_T> fabio: anything else we can help you with?
[03:04] <PriceChild> mneptok, my name
[03:04] <PriceChild> fabio, use the Tab key.
[03:04] <fabio> tm_T yes
[03:04] <Tm_T> fabio: yes?
[03:04] <fabio> is cedega good for game?
[03:04] <Tm_T> ...
[03:05] <PriceChild> fabio, this is not a support channel.
[03:05] <fabio> Tm_T: ok
[03:05] <Tm_T> fabio: anything related to this channel topic we can help you with?
[03:05] <Tm_T> kitche: hi
[03:05] <kitche> #ubuntu topic needs adjusted it seems the flash install problem got fixed it seems
[03:06] <mneptok> kitche: i'll ping the distro team. thanks. :)
[03:06] <Tm_T> kitche: have it spread to all mirrors already?
[03:06] <fabio> Tm_T: yes
[03:06] <fabio> i can doo translations
[03:06] <kitche> I have no clue I just know someone said it was fixed since it's in the update repo
[03:06] <PriceChild> I changed the topic.
[03:09] <mneptok> fabio: didn't you say you were an Ubuntu developer?
[03:10] <fabio> yes?
[03:10] <fabio> newbie
[03:11] <PriceChild> calling yourself an "Ubuntu Developer" implies you are part of the ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-core-dev teams... with access to the archive?
[03:11] <fabio> yes
[03:11] <fabio> im translator for portuguese distributions
[03:12] <fabio> .pt not .br
[03:13] <Tm_T> fabio: https://launchpad.net/~fabio-facape
[03:13] <Tm_T> fabio: this one is you?
[03:13] <PriceChild> Tm_T, different surname
[03:14] <Tm_T> PriceChild: ?
[03:14] <fabio> yes
[03:14] <fabio> its me
[03:14] <PriceChild> Tm_T, real name didn't match up
[03:14] <Tm_T> PriceChild: it did
[03:14] <Tm_T> 0512.22 -!- fabio<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:14] <Tm_T> 0512.22 -!-  ircname  : Fábio Oliveira
[03:15] <Tm_T> Fábio Oliveira (fabio-facape)
[03:15] <Tm_T> match
[03:15] <PriceChild> ah sorry, saw the "facape"
[03:15] <fabio> yes
[03:15] <Tm_T> fabio: according to that page, you are developer of what exactly?
[03:15] <fabio> its mee
[03:15] <PriceChild> "No translations recorded from Fábio Oliveira."
[03:15] <Tm_T> no team participation, no karma...
[03:15] <fabio> im newbie
[03:16] <fabio> ...
[03:16] <fabio> thats the point
[03:16] <fabio> now i whant to know how to
[03:16] <PriceChild> fabio, I'd suggest you don't call yourself an "ubuntu developer" or "ubuntu translator" in future, until at least a small amount of participation
[03:16] <fabio> join on the team of translations
[03:17] <fabio> why?
[03:17] <fabio> im participate
[03:17] <Tm_T> how?
[03:18]  * Tm_T is interested
[03:19] <fabio> of course im interested
[03:19] <fabio> if im not interested im not here
[03:20] <Tm_T> fabio: I'm interested to know how you participate currently, or this far atleast
[03:21] <fabio> here
[03:21] <fabio> lol
[03:21] <Tm_T> hm?
[03:21] <Tm_T> how?
[03:22] <fabio> Tm_T: i want to know how to start working
[03:22] <Pici> nosrednaekim: How can we help you?
[03:22] <ardchoille> I am currently reading the Kubuntu Tutorials Day logs wrt bug triage. I'd like to do some triaging. What do I need to be able to do that?
[03:23] <Tm_T> fabio: ah, but that doesn't make one developer yet ;)
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> Pici: no problem :D just didn't know this channel existed and came over to see what it was about
[03:24] <Pici> nosrednaekim: We deal with irc issues here, its not really a hang-out place.
[03:24] <PriceChild> ardchoille, read the wiki? And btw this channel is about operator/abuse questions
[03:24] <fabio> Tm_T: Ok how to get started
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> Pici: yeah, I know... leaving :D
[03:24] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Ah, ok.
[03:24] <PriceChild> ardchoille, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[03:24] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Thank you :)
[03:24] <Tm_T> fabio: devel channels are good start
[03:25] <PriceChild> fabio, and a link for you: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[03:25] <fabio> priceChild this dont help me
[03:25] <fabio> im not a noob
[03:26] <PriceChild> fabio, how about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu ?
[03:26]  * mneptok cleans his glasses
[03:27] <Tm_T> mneptok: I'm still here
[03:29] <fabio> PriceChild: Good
[03:47] <kahrytan> Is LjL  around?
[03:52] <fabio> well
[03:52] <fabio> now im an developer
[03:52] <fabio> hihihi
[03:53] <vorian> eh?
[03:55] <fabio> vorian?
[03:55] <fabio> talking to me?
[03:56] <vorian> not really
[03:56] <vorian> sorry
[03:58] <fabio> lol
[03:58] <vorian> :)
[03:58] <vorian> so what do you develop?
[04:01] <fabio> translations
[04:02] <vorian> great
[04:02] <fabio> yep
[04:04] <fabio> i love ubuntu
[04:04] <fabio> ubuntu is my second girlfriend
[04:04] <fabio> lolol
[04:08] <mneptok> Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye
[04:28] <no0tic> lol
[04:28] <ardchoille> mneptok: Good one
[04:53] <fabio> the ubuntu suports sms gateway?
[05:02]  * elkbuntu doesnt know what to kick... the gutsy printing config, or her router
[05:10]  * no0tic wants to kick irssi scripting... grrr
[05:14] <fabio> lol
[05:20] <tritium> I'm too nice.
[05:20] <tritium> I typically only remove on first offense.
[05:20] <Pici> fabio: You've had your warnings already. I will not be removing this ban.
[05:20] <Pici> tritium: this wasnt a first offense,  hes in this channel right now because an earlier issue.
[05:20] <fabio> !shutup | Pici
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shutup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <tritium> Ah, I see that now...
[05:21] <Pici> fabio: This isnt helping your case.
[05:22] <fabio> Pici what u want?
[05:23] <fabio> whant one baby mine?
[05:23] <fabio> *want
[05:24] <Myrtti> WHAT on earth?
[05:24] <fabio> ?
[05:25] <Pici> I'm a bit speechless at this point.
[05:25] <fabio> Pici what u gonna do?
[05:25] <fabio> ban me?
[05:25] <Pici> fabio: I'm going to ask you to leave now.  If you dont want to, I can arrange for you to be removed.
[05:26] <fabio> shure
[05:26] <fabio> mr Picipi
[05:26] <Pici> Thank you elkbuntu.
[05:26] <fabio> hey ok
[05:27] <fabio> Pici u win
[05:27] <Myrtti> peelopalloa
[05:27] <fabio> a bycicle
[05:27] <fabio> lool
[05:27] <elkbuntu> fabio, please leave the channel
[05:28] <fabio> elkbuntu
[05:28] <fabio> why
[05:28] <Pici> Oh, this is mature:
[05:28] <Pici> :27:49 <fabio> u are very stupid
[05:28] <Pici> 00:27:50 <fabio> no?
[05:28] <Myrtti> I just love my irssi aliases
[05:29] <Myrtti> <3
[05:29] <elkbuntu> Pici, in PM?
[05:29] <Pici> elkbuntu: yes.
[05:29] <Myrtti> feel free to remove the ban when done
[05:29] <tritium> Pici: what a shame
[05:29] <Myrtti> no pm for me yet?
[05:30] <Myrtti> I'm disappointed
[05:30] <elkbuntu> or me
[05:30] <elkbuntu> welcome to the 'we feel left out' club, Myrtti
[05:31] <elkbuntu> Pici, warn him that operator harassment is a breach of freenode policy and can lead to being banned from the network :)
[05:31] <Myrtti> <3
[05:32] <Myrtti> lots of leet speak and smileys
[05:32] <Myrtti> maybe that'll get it thru
[05:33] <no0tic> lol
[05:34] <no0tic> why you kicked him so late?
[05:34] <no0tic> Myrtti, you scare me, I saw what you can do..
[05:35] <Pici> I dont have the power in here, so I was either going to ! ops him or try to coax him out using my wiles
[05:35] <no0tic> Pici, ah, understood
[05:36] <Myrtti> he just ticked me off
[05:38] <Myrtti> portuguese...
[05:38] <Myrtti> funny.
[05:38] <tritium> My gosh, our numbers have grown.
[05:38] <Myrtti> whose?
[05:39] <tritium> ops
[05:39] <Myrtti> yeah
[05:40] <Myrtti> good thing though
[05:40] <tritium> True.  We only had 7 aside from rob2 back in the day: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/cc-summary-20050510.html
[05:40] <Myrtti> ugh :-)
[05:40] <tritium> heh ;)
[05:41] <Myrtti> I remember what it was like
[05:42] <fabio> oh thanks thanks thanks
[05:42] <Myrtti> fabio: you're not going to get any other ban released soon.
[05:43] <Pici> fabio: Which is the same thing I've been telling you.
[05:44] <Myrtti> fabio: you comibg here to complain about the issue, which from my perspective isn't negotiable, isn't going to make unbanning any faster
[05:44] <fabio>
[05:44] <fabio> I swear that not happen again
[05:45] <Myrtti> fabio: that being said, we'd all like you to leave the channel
[05:45] <Myrtti> fabio: you'll know when the ban is lifted, when you can join the channeks again.
[05:46] <Myrtti> (goh this touchpad keyboard is small in 770)
[05:46] <Myrtti> sorry for the typos, folks
[05:46] <no0tic> any irssi scripting expert here?
[05:47] <fabio> Myrtti: i sayit to pici dont happens again
[05:47] <fabio> plz dont ban me
[05:47] <fabio> ;S
[05:47] <Myrtti> just be patient fabio
[05:47] <fabio> no0tic: what scripting? php?
[05:48] <Myrtti> you remind a 6y old screaming for the lollipop at supermarket checkout
[05:48] <Pici> fabio: This isnt a channel for you to stay in until you are unbanned.
[05:48] <no0tic> fabio, irssi.. perl..
[05:48] <fabio> Pici im developer too
[05:48] <Myrtti> fabio: please leave, your staying here PROLONGS the ban.
[05:49] <Pici> fabio: This isnt a developers channel either.
[05:49] <Pici> Listen to Myrtti.
[05:49] <Myrtti> I'm asking nice here.
[05:49] <Myrtti> I've already kickbanned you once
[05:49] <fabio> but i want to stay here
[05:49] <fabio> i dont make problems
[05:50] <Myrtti> sorry, won't do
[05:50] <fabio> i solve it
[05:50] <Myrtti> leave
[05:50] <fabio> myrtti can i pvt with u?
[05:50] <elkbuntu> fabio, you are not to stay here and continue disrupting us. please leave now.
[05:50] <Myrtti> why would you need to?no?
[05:51] <Myrtti> fabio: LEAVE.
[05:51] <fabio> i dont disturb anymore
[05:51] <fabio> ...
[05:51] <elkbuntu> fabio, if we have to remove you again, we will ban you again. now please leave of your own accord
[05:51]  * Pici waits for the pm.
[05:51] <Myrtti> /CSKICKBAN fabio no, you wont, that's true
[05:52] <Pici> oh, I already got it.
[05:52] <Myrtti> heee
[05:52] <Myrtti> shower -->
[05:54] <Myrtti> I need a new bag of alphabet crackers
[05:55] <Myrtti> since I have to spell it out for so many
[05:55] <Myrtti> and for the Finns a new reel of wire and few extra rail tracks
[05:56] <Myrtti> so I can bend a model example
[05:56] <Pici> I'm going to sleep.  For some reason I feel that this guy is the new wii.
[05:56] <Pici> take care and goodnight all.
[05:56] <Myrtti> mwahaha
[05:56] <Myrtti> gnite
[06:13] <elkbuntu> why the HELL does this printer refuse to share
[06:14] <elkbuntu> or more to the case, why the hell does gutsy refuse to share the damn printer
[06:15] <no0tic> elkbuntu, share with what?
[06:15] <elkbuntu> my other computer
[06:15] <no0tic> elkbuntu, ubuntu on both?
[06:15] <elkbuntu> gutsy on both
[06:16] <elkbuntu> im starting to suspect it's fricking apparmor, because i can browse to the cups page fine, but it refuses to find any damn queue with the printer config thingie
[06:17] <no0tic> elkbuntu, are you configuring them via cups "web" page?
[06:17] <elkbuntu> no, im configuring them via system > administration > printing
[06:17] <elkbuntu> or, trying to
[06:17] <elkbuntu> it was simple as in feisty... click share on one, click 'find network printers' on the other and tada. not anymore
[06:18] <no0tic> elkbuntu, try with cups on :815
[06:18] <no0tic> erm
[06:18] <no0tic> :632
[06:18] <no0tic> ups localhost:631
[06:18]  * no0tic is tired :(
[06:18] <elkbuntu> localhost? why localhost? it's not connected to this machine. it's detected fine on the machine it's plugged into
[06:18] <elkbuntu> the machine it is plugged into just isnt sharing it with anything else
[06:19] <no0tic> elkbuntu, you have to set the local cups server to search for the remote one
[06:19] <elkbuntu> no0tic, you mean unlike in feisty 'share published printers connected to this system' is no longer enough?
[06:20] <no0tic> elkbuntu, I never used that, always via web admin, sorry
[06:20] <elkbuntu> i never needed to use web admin, it's always worked with the config editor
[06:23] <elkbuntu> oh, so that's it, i now have to log into the other computer through the config thing... wtf?
[06:23] <elkbuntu> lets see if i can print now
[06:25] <elkbuntu> nope, still dont get a printer as an option when printing
[06:32] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: it probably IS apparmor
[06:33] <Myrtti> hp printer?
[06:38] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, no, epson
[06:39] <Myrtti> even still, since your trying to share it
[06:40] <Myrtti> at my previous workplace you had to disable it from the client machine to get windows shared ricohs to work
[06:40] <elkbuntu> how do you disable it?
[06:42] <Myrtti> you'd have to look at the release notes of gutsy or smth for that
[06:42] <Myrtti> it's a known bug
[06:47] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (rsvampire)
[06:48] <crdlb> hah
[06:48] <crdlb> that's why mute > kick :P
[06:56] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, killed apparmor on both systems. i can see the remote printer now
[06:56]  * elkbuntu stabs apparmor repeatedly
[06:56] <Myrtti> it's from suse
[06:57] <Myrtti> what'd you expect
[06:57] <Myrtti> ;-)
[06:57] <Myrtti> or whatever
[06:57] <elkbuntu> OMG I HAVE PRINTAGE
[06:57] <Myrtti> /me has had a bad month with suses
[06:58] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: congrats
[06:58]  * elkbuntu is glad suse refused to run on any of her machines early last year
[10:12] <sharpie> well, i got banned from #ubuntu-offtopic about a week ago and i can't remember why. anyway, can i be unbanned? :\
[10:14] <Daviey> @btlogin
[10:18] <elkbuntu> sharpie, sexual harassment and ban evasion have earned you quite a lengthy ban
[10:24] <sharpie> elkbuntu: oh now i remember
[10:24] <sharpie> elkbuntu: i asked for naked pics, as a reference to xkcd. apparently that wasn't funny.
[10:24] <sharpie> elkbuntu: that comic with the EMP gun
[10:24] <elkbuntu> sharpie, it wasnt funny at all, no
[10:24] <sharpie> elkbuntu: but it's not like i was serious about it :/
[10:25] <sharpie> elkbuntu: and i've obviously learned my lesson :|
[10:25] <elkbuntu> sharpie, i can assure you that randall would be most annoyed if it suddenly became an excuse to ask for naked pics
[10:25] <sharpie> elkbuntu: so now i know it's not allowed
[10:26] <elkbuntu> sharpie, you do now. however you still have to wear the punishment, which also includes the ban evasion
[10:26] <sharpie> elkbuntu: and about "ban evasion", my internet suddenly disconnected so i connected and logged back into irc
[10:26] <sharpie> i have a dynamic IP =\
[10:26] <elkbuntu> sharpie, your internet suddnely disconnected convenietly at the same time as you got banned?
[10:27] <sharpie> elkbuntu: maybe it was pure chance, but disconnections do occure once in a while
[10:27] <elkbuntu> sharpie, i do not believe it would happen cooincidentally within 66 seconds of a ban
[10:28] <sharpie> elkbuntu: well, it did
[10:28] <sharpie> elkbuntu: if i really wanted to evade the ban, i'd change my nickname wouldn't i?
[10:28] <elkbuntu> sharpie, no, since we ban on hostmask
[10:29] <Daviey> sharpie: good to see your connection is rock solid now tho
[10:29] <sharpie> elkbuntu: right, but logging back in with the same nick would obviously be stupid if i wanted to evade the ban
[10:29] <elkbuntu> sharpie, ban evading is stupid to begin with, so of course if you ban evaded you'd be stupid
[10:29] <sharpie> but i didn't
[10:29] <sharpie> irssi just automatically connected to #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:30] <elkbuntu> i am not convinced, and nor is Daviey
[10:30] <sharpie> how about if i offered you this delicious *cake*?
[10:30] <elkbuntu> wtf?
[10:30] <sharpie> i know you want some *cake* don't you?
[10:31] <sharpie> lol i'm j/k
[10:31] <elkbuntu> sharpie, it's not funny
[10:31] <sharpie> you ops have no sense of humor =\
[10:31] <sharpie> anyway, since you don't believe me, when will i be unbanned? :\
[10:31] <elkbuntu> when we deem it prudent to do so
[10:31] <Daviey> admitting will speed things up, no doubt
[10:31] <sharpie> but i have nothing to admit
[10:32] <PriceChild> hey its a sharpie...
[10:32] <PriceChild> you disappeared last time we tried to talk
[10:32] <PriceChild> and it wasn't going well then either
[10:32] <sharpie> uh, what?
[10:32] <sharpie> this is the first time i've logged in here since my ban =\
[10:33] <Myrtti> /me feels a sudden urge to act violently again and disappears
[10:33] <Myrtti> *puf*
[10:34] <sharpie> what i don't get it, why does even #ubuntu-offtopic have such a naz...strict none-tolerance policy even towards plain jokes :/
[10:34] <Daviey> sharpie: I've just grepped my logs -you have been here, directly after your ban
[10:34] <sharpie> Daviey: no i haven't :\
[10:35] <Daviey> I have the bleedin logs
[10:35] <sharpie> do you mind sending me the log? :/
[10:35] <sharpie> i mean, that part of the log
[10:35] <PriceChild> sharpie, you were here after your ban....
[10:35] <PriceChild> you ran off
[10:35] <elkbuntu> Daviey, time and date and i'll look it up in the public channel logs
[10:35] <sharpie> but i weren't
[10:36] <Daviey> hmm "< Sharpie> lol, it was the nigger wasn't it?"
[10:36] <sharpie> look, there might be other sharpies :/
[10:37] <sharpie> since the naked pics ban i've only been here once, and it's now
[10:38] <PriceChild> sharpie, why do you think we should let you in when your attitude doesn't seem to have changed a bit?
[10:39] <Daviey> and you called PriceChild a "cock"
[10:39] <sharpie> it's not that i had an attitude problem, i made a comic reference and apparently it's not allowed, it's not like i really asked for those pics :/
[10:40] <elkbuntu> sharpie, it was not the first ban you've had
[10:40] <sharpie> yes it is =|
[10:40] <Daviey> For added comedy, i think the ban needs to be maintained
[10:40] <PriceChild> I see on logs... that you also thought because they said "shit" on tv... that that was an excuse to use it anywhere.
[10:41] <sharpie> oh wait
[10:41] <sharpie> i remember something about a nigger thing
[10:41] <sharpie> anyway, PriceChild, that's a southpark reference :|
[10:41] <PriceChild> sharpie, oh well that's ok then sorry
[10:42] <PriceChild> You seem to be a very impressionable fellow.... perhaps I should write my own comic promoting the ideas of getting on with people, not pushing boundaries and generally abiding by the channel guidelines.
[10:42] <Seeker`> sharpie: I'm sure keeping your ban for a while longer is a compic reference to something...
[10:42] <sharpie> that's not what jesus would do
[10:42] <sharpie> argh...sorry, religion isn't allowed either :/
[10:42] <Daviey> erm
[10:42] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, it's our EMP gun
[10:42] <PriceChild> sharpie, yeah that's enough... please go away now. Come back when you think you understand why this has all happenned.
[10:43] <elkbuntu> in our ban tracker i am seeing you swearing, boasting that you trolled HP support by saying a printer raped you, racist comments, calling ops 'cocks', sexual harassment and ban evasion. you're not the kind of person we want in this community
[10:43] <sharpie> ok, but how about if i offered you this delicious *CAKE*?

[10:43] <ikonia> thank you
[10:43] <ikonia> how sad
[10:44] <ardchoille> It was all I could do to keep from laughing out loud
[10:44] <Seeker`> ikonia: but didn't you see him off you *CAKE*]
[10:44] <ikonia> I'm glad no more time was wasted discussing it with him
[10:44] <Seeker`> s/off/offer
[10:45] <ikonia> he still shows up as in #ubuntu
[10:45] <elkbuntu> he'll probably come back anyway
[10:45] <ikonia> why is he still allowed in #ubuntu ?
[10:46] <PriceChild> he hasn't done anything wrong there yet?
[10:46] <elkbuntu> operative word being 'yet'
[10:46] <elkbuntu> it's only a matter of time
[10:46] <Seeker`> ikonia: Bans dont apply to the whole *buntu namespace, only the channels offenses have been commited in, afaik
[10:46] <PriceChild> Seeker`, not immediately anyway ;)
[10:46] <PriceChild> We do have a few "ban on sight" people.
[10:46] <ikonia> no no, I appriciate that, but it's clear his attitude is in appropriate
[10:47] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, depends on the offense and who is holding the cannon :)
[10:47] <ikonia> just a query really rather than let him come out with abuse/racism/etc
[10:47] <Daviey> hmm, i think i need an irssi script to ban someone from all channels i have ops in, that would be handy
[10:48] <PriceChild> Daviey, I think Seveas made one of those once...
[10:49] <Daviey> not for irssi afaik
[10:49] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's already been made clear previously that for example, someone's behaviour in one part of the community should not except in extreme circumstances be the grounds for discipline elsewhere in the community, and vice versa,
[10:51] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I appriciate that, would you use (in this example) #ubuntu to monitor his behaviour, and how would say the same racism/language/etc effect his participation within other ubuntu channels ?
[10:52] <ardchoille> Are there any scripts that you all recommend ops to use in irssi?
[10:52] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I'm asking at what point does someone get taken out of the community for a period
[10:52] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, talk to nal..ioth when he arises from his slumber
[10:52] <PriceChild> ardchoille, auto_bleh
[10:52]  * PriceChild finds a link
[10:53] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's impossible to remove someone from the community completely, despite how nice it would be
[10:53] <ikonia> elkbuntu: the ubuntu irc community
[10:53] <ikonia> to be clear
[10:53] <elkbuntu> ikonia, still impossible
[10:53] <ikonia> elkbuntu: really, could you expand on that, explain, rougly the limitations
[10:53] <elkbuntu> ikonia, how many people do you know with internet access?
[10:54] <elkbuntu> how many public wifi points do you know of
[10:54] <elkbuntu> how many internet cafes do you know of
[10:54] <ikonia> ahh ok, so the limitation is the actual connection, not the intent of removing
[10:54] <ikonia> eg: tracking the ip addresses etc
[10:54] <PriceChild> ardchoille, http://tomaw.net/tmp/auto_bleh.pl should be good I think
[10:54] <elkbuntu> yes, and it's often a waste of energy and time
[10:55] <ikonia> elkbuntu: yes, I see what your saying. Thanks.
[10:55] <ikonia> elkbuntu: effort over effectivness = waste
[10:55] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Thank you
[10:55] <elkbuntu> completely, yes
[10:55] <PriceChild> ardchoille, commands are listed at the top, feel free to try them on me here a little
[10:55] <ikonia> that make sense
[10:56] <elkbuntu> if it gets to the point where we *need* them to be kept out, they just get added to the 'ban on sight' list, and freenode are generally tryign to keep them out by then anyway
[10:56] <ikonia> yup, that seems a sensible way of handling things
[10:56] <ikonia> thank you
[10:57] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Nice script that
[10:57] <Daviey> we could just send the boyz around to pay a visit
[11:14] <Seeker`> wb Myrtti
[11:15] <Myrtti> huh?
[11:22] <ubotu> PriceChild called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic ()
[11:25] <Daviey> !opabuse > PriceChild
[11:25] <Daviey> :)
[11:30] <PriceChild> nalioth, any chance of access in #kubuntu-offtopic when you get back please?
[11:32] <Gary> I never realised there was a #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:38] <PriceChild> the last 20 minutes have been p[retty bad
[11:40] <ikonia> little help in #ubuntu please.
[11:40] <ikonia> floods, bad langauge starting
[11:40] <ikonia> possible attack
[11:41] <ikonia> shiQdar flooding
[11:41] <ikonia> !ops | shiQdar
[11:41] <ubotu> shiQdar: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo!
[11:41] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (shiQdar)
[11:41] <ikonia> thanks
[11:42] <ikonia> heads up on MaXWaR iwth very offesnvie language
[11:42] <Mez> ikonia, please in future call the ops in the relevant channel, so we can respond quicker ;) I had to try and find the right channel then
[11:42] <ikonia> Mez: typo
[11:42] <ikonia> I was swapping channels
[11:43] <Mez> just confuses me - lol - I was looking in the backlog ;)
[11:43] <elkbuntu> Mez, yeah i did too
[11:43] <Mez> elkbuntu, but obv checked #ubuntu too ;)
[11:43] <elkbuntu> eventually
[11:44] <ikonia> I was flicking bath and forth in chanels
[11:44] <ikonia> back
[11:44] <ikonia> my typo
[11:44]  * Mez shrugs
[11:44] <Mez> will let you off this time :P but make it easier for us
[11:47] <Mez> ikonia, let me guess - you're somewhere in thames valley
[11:47] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[11:47] <ikonia> not far
[11:47] <ikonia> but for a guy in the states to guess bath = thames is quite close
[11:47]  * Mez is in UK
[11:47] <ikonia> ahhhh that explains
[11:47] <ikonia> Mez: I'm in bath
[11:48] <Mez> ikonia, I presumed as I've only ever seen people use zen since I've been down here :D
[11:48] <ikonia> Mez: which I think was Avon, but is now Bath & Northeast somerset
[11:48] <Mez> never heard of it "up north"
[11:48] <ikonia> ahhhh
[11:49] <Mez> ikonia, I'm in Reading :P and we use zen at work - but never heard of it till I moved here
[11:50] <ikonia> ooh fantastic, didn't reaise you where in the same area
[11:50] <ikonia> Mez: I was in reading on Monday/Tuesday
[11:50] <Mez> so was I .. :P
[11:50] <ikonia> clearly.....
[11:50] <ikonia> Mez: how do you find zen  ? good/bad
[11:50] <ikonia> I've had very positive experience with them
[11:50] <Mez> crappy
[11:51] <Mez> we have on average 40% packet loss at the modem->gateway hop
[11:51] <ikonia> thats terrible
[11:55] <Gary> wow, their language in #kubuntu-offtopic is really rough
[11:56] <PriceChild> grrr
[11:56]  * ikonia peeks in
[11:56] <ikonia> what is the point of kubuntu-offtopic
[11:56] <ikonia> why is there a channel for offtopic chatter for kubuntu users ?
[11:56] <Gary> to swear a lot I think
[11:57] <ikonia> wow
[11:57] <PriceChild> !staff
[11:57] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[11:57] <Mez> nalioth, can you add me to the #kubuntu-offtopic access list
[11:57] <Gary> atwo1> mate was metaphoric i dont like u much either - lol, love it
[11:57] <ikonia> that's terrible
[12:02] <ikonia> that conetent is appaling
[12:03] <Gary> right, I'm off home \o/
[12:04] <PriceChild> that's early
[12:04] <Gary> 3.5 hour drive :'(
[12:04] <Mez> night Gary
[12:04] <Gary> Mez, it's 12noon :p
[12:04] <Mez> I know :P
[12:05] <Gary> when are you gonna pop over to my hotel then?  (for a beer)
[12:06] <Mez> Gary, what hotel ?
[12:07] <Gary> Grimstock hotel, near coleshill
[12:07] <Mez> Birmingham
[12:07] <Mez> ?
[12:07] <Gary> yeah
[12:08] <Mez> <-- has lived in Reading for 3 months now
[12:08] <Gary> damn you :p
[12:08] <Gary> anyways, I'm out - of here
[12:08] <Gary> :-)
[12:09] <Mez> lol
[12:10] <ikonia> Mez: havn't you just been op'd in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:10] <PriceChild> Mez, I think you should kick him with that last noe.
[12:10] <PriceChild> *kickban
[12:15] <Mez> !support-#kubuntu-offtopic The official Kubuntu Support channel is #kubuntu Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[12:17] <Mez> watch out for atwol - he's gonna try and ban evade
[12:17] <PriceChild> * atwo1 is now known as atwo
[12:17] <PriceChild> I wnoder what that was in aid of ;)
[12:17] <Mez> hehe
[12:20] <Mez> I handled that well though I think
[12:20] <ikonia> PriceChild: one of the most random flames I've seen for a while
[12:21] <ikonia> Mez: the consumate profesional
[12:21] <Mez> ikonia, always
[12:21]  * Mez is off to lunch
[12:21] <Mez> if there's any issues, just call the ops ;)
[12:21] <ikonia> all looks quiet now
[12:22] <ikonia> see what Jay-oh-en does in #ubuntu
[12:23] <tomaw> lh
[12:23] <tomaw> meh
[12:23] <Mez> Hobbsee, !!! :D
[12:23] <Mez> Hobbsee, keep an eye out for atwo and jay-oh-en for me ? hehe
[12:23] <Mez> you're meaner than I :D
[12:25]  * Hobbsee waves
[12:25]  * Mez is afk for lunch
[12:40] <Pricey> ardchoille, yay
[12:41] <ardchoille> I too all I could take
[12:41] <ardchoille> *took
[12:41] <ardchoille> I try to be patient but some people just ask for it
[12:41] <Pricey> ardchoille, was that with auto_bleh?
[12:41] <ardchoille> It was :)
[12:42] <ardchoille> I love that script
[12:42] <Pricey> hmm it must be an old/nonfreenode version as it kicks rather than removes...
[12:42] <ardchoille> oh, no, I did abk
[12:42] <ardchoille> Did I make a boo boo?
[12:43] <Pricey> no
[12:43] <ardchoille> Well, if you set a ban, then it can't auto-rejoin anyway
[12:43] <Pricey> we usually use removes... (abr) as it is quieter, and doesn't trigger as many auto-rejoins
[12:43] <Pricey> also doesn't ping them
[12:43] <ardchoille> Ah, I'll keep that in mind if I have to do it in the future.
[12:43] <ardchoille> Pricey: Thanks for the help and guidance :)
[12:44] <Pricey> No problem
[12:52] <Myrtti> I use aliases
[12:52] <Myrtti> in irssi
[12:53] <ardchoille> aliases are good
[13:02] <ikonia> y/quit
[14:06] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu (nukturnal)
[14:07] <Myrtti> /me stares nukturnal
[14:15] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[14:16] <Jack_Sparrow> morning people...
[16:34] <ubotu> BluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[16:34] <ubotu> yamal called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[17:12] <kahrytan> SO, LjL  when will you unban me?
[17:14] <LjL> kahrytan: one week later than if you hadn't asked
[17:15] <kahrytan> Yeah .. I really dont like you.
[17:16] <LjL> the feeling is mutual
[17:16] <kahrytan> Why not?
[17:16] <Gary> so kahrytan now you know the answer to your inital question, is there anything else we can help you with?
[17:17] <kahrytan> Gary➲  I asked why ljl doesnt like me. Our conversation is between me and LjL  if you dont mind. Otherwise, i'll call official irc council meeting for me and LjL
[17:18] <Gary> if it is personal, then a PM would be more appropriate?
[17:18] <kahrytan>  cuz we dont have log bot
[17:19] <kahrytan> LjL➲  Why don't you like me?
[17:23] <Gary> kahrytan, maybe, just maybe it might be to do with the way you approach things?  just a thought
[17:24] <kahrytan> or he just doesnt want to deal with me
[17:24] <Gary> maybe he is away?  I think it is working hours where he is
[17:25] <Daviey> Maybe he feels your are here to start an argument
[17:26] <Daviey> you're*
[17:27] <LjL> kahrytan, i've dealt with you. the reason i may not like you isn't really of interest to this channel, but anyway i don't like people who waste my time. i don't think you have any ability to schedule an IRC Council meeting, and anyway i think you should be aware that the IRC Council members have all already reviewed your situation.
[17:28] <kahrytan> I'm not wasting your time
[17:29] <Gary> the only other path is a "independent meeting" but two of the members of that panel are already aware of the circumstances...
[17:29] <kahrytan> We *NEED* to resolve things, LjL
[17:29] <kahrytan> I don't even know the members
[17:30] <Daviey> thats because it's not published
[17:30] <kahrytan> and such a meeting would only include 3 members
[17:30] <Gary> best way to resolve things might involve thinking about actions and seeing if an appology might be in order?
[17:31] <LjL> kahrytan, from my point of view, things are resolved with your ban
[17:32] <kahrytan> LjL➲  I'm not talking about the ban anymore
[17:32] <LjL> then what? personal issues? why would they concern other operators?
[17:33] <kahrytan> I don't want you go around with a chip on your shoulder about me.  I really dont like you."  -- Really doesn't help solve things, does it?
[17:34] <LjL> kahrytan, i ban when i judge that one deserves to be banned. i'll certainly be less tolerant of misbehaviors from your part than i would be of a newcomer, but you won't get further bans in other places if you don't show *any* misbehavior there.
[17:35] <kahrytan> Less tolerant then of anyone.
[17:35] <Gary> kahrytan, we are very good at only having Op's who are sensible and restrained in their actions
[17:35] <LjL> not really. but anyway, you *are* supposed to respect the guidelines and everything... so you should not be surprised if you get banned when you don't
[17:36] <LjL> just respect them, and you won't
[17:36] <kahrytan> and I do.
[17:36] <LjL> good. then the problem is?
[17:36] <Gary> kahrytan, we are *very* good at not keeping grudges
[17:37] <kahrytan> Gary➲  I disagree on that one. LjL  always admitted to a *grudge*
[17:37] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (Kakaschwamm)
[17:38] <LjL> kahrytan, i think you haven't understood. we can, and will, ban anyone if they misbehave according to the rules. however, we may judge that someone simply did not *know* the rules, and in that case, give them a second chance.
[17:38] <Daviey> Mez is on form today
[17:38] <Mez> Daviey, ;)
[17:39] <LjL> so, there are no grudge, but simply the fact that when someone has already many bans in their history, we are less and less likely to assume that his misbehaviors were unintended and not malicious.
[17:39] <kahrytan> bans by trigger happy ops
[17:40] <Daviey> but hey, keep pushing the point.  Show that you haven't learn't and you never know - you might get unbanned next year
[17:40] <kahrytan> It sounds like I need to take this to mailing list.
[17:40] <kahrytan> or council.
[17:40] <stdin> kahrytan: if you don't do anything deserving of a ban, then to "trigger happy op" can ban you
[17:41] <stdin> s/to/no/
[17:41] <nalioth> kahrytan: you will be wasting everyones time, if you do so.
[17:41] <Daviey> kahrytan: Hope we were able to help.  Anything else we can help you with today?
[17:41] <kahrytan> Any ops that bans someone after they have stopped when asked to stop is trigger happy
[17:42] <Daviey> but as you have proven, entirely apt in your instance
[17:42] <LjL> you've stopped too late, and only after being asked by an *operator*. but we went through all this already - so, since i'm tired of going around in circles, i request that you now cease.
[17:43] <nalioth> kahrytan: please keep in mind that all these channels are pubically logged
[17:43] <nalioth> anyone who is interested can view the logs
[17:48] <kahrytan> LjL➲  know what. Just leave me alone.  I'm gonna call an meeting on the mailing list. And I want you removed. and I will keep asking for your removal until it's done.  I will send millions of letters to Canonical until  you are removed.
[17:48] <LjL> ok, kahrytan.
[17:49] <Gary> lol
[17:49] <LjL> it had to come to this, it was bound to, i think perhaps we should have pushed it earlier instead of wasting so much time
[17:49] <Gary> k-line, banned from ml and restraining order from canonical.....
[17:50]  * mc44 pins the "Worst. Op. Ever" star on LjL
[17:50]  * LjL pins the "Worst. User. Ever" star on mc44.  Myrtti???
[17:55] <Myrtti> just frustrations, dear
[17:55] <Myrtti> nothing that a good caipirinha wouldn't fix
[17:55] <jussi01> :)
[17:55]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti and passes her another drink
[17:56] <Myrtti> no but really
[17:56] <Myrtti> have you ever tries sles?
[17:56] <Gary> yes, it was good
[17:56] <Myrtti> not opensuse, but sles
[17:56] <jussi01> nope
[17:57] <jussi01> k/ubuntu is the only thing I know...
[17:57] <Gary> ahh, no, I tried sled, just 'cos the name was cool
[17:57] <Myrtti> and how did you find the installation procedure of new software to be?
[17:57] <Myrtti> I've got news for you, folks
[17:58] <jussi01> hmmmm, at risk of sounding stupid.... does anyone know if there is an equivalent of auto_bleh for konversation?
[17:58] <LjL> jussi01: no
[17:59] <LjL> as in, no there isn't
[17:59] <LjL> and no there can't be
[17:59] <jussi01> LjL: why? (not doubting you, just curious)
[17:59] <Myrtti> it really, really blows that you need a dvd for basic installation AND 4 cd's for getting basic things
[18:00] <LjL> jussi01, because konversation basically supports no scripting. it can be "scripted" (that's the term they use) via dcop, but there's no way for the script to respond to things that happen on IRC
[18:00] <Myrtti> like build-essential
[18:00] <LjL> jussi01: so for instance, there is no way to tell konversation "1) ask chanserv to op me 2) wait until it's opped me 3) do something"
[18:01] <jussi01> LjL: ahh... ok then. :( looks like Ill have to actually learn irssi...
[18:01] <LjL> jussi01: the best you can do is make it wait a fixed amount of time, which is far from ideal... and is only doable from a "script" anyway, an alias has no ability to wait
[18:01] <LjL> jussi01: i find that no having automatic +o has saved me a number of times from doing the wrong thing in the wrong channel, i must say :)
[18:01] <LjL> although it's certainly kind of slowed me down as well
[18:02] <LjL> but the real slowdown is due to konversation's problems with high traffic, really, more than to the need to get op with a separate command
[18:02] <Myrtti> jussi01: I can give you my aliases for irssi ;-)
[18:02] <jussi01> Myrtti: that would be wonderful :D
[18:03] <Myrtti> ok... *sips*
[18:05] <jussio1> sorry about the nick spam peoples
[18:06] <Gary> ban him, ban him now
[18:06] <jussio1> hehe
[18:07] <Gary> you lose
[18:08] <Gary> kthxbye
[18:09] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://myrtti.fi/temp/irssi_aliases.txt
[18:10] <jussio1> Myrtti: thanks a lot!'
[18:10] <tomaw> Myrtti: if you change all of those to /quote chanserv instead, you won't get a message window full of stuff you've sent to chanserv :)
[18:10] <LjL> bleag, fixed wait times
[18:10] <tomaw> Although it will mean you're not logging stuff you send to chanserv
[18:10] <LjL> who told you chanserv always replied after 50 whateverseconds?
[18:11] <Gary> pizza rules
[18:11] <tomaw> ChanServ is female, she replies when she feels like it
[18:12] <Myrtti> no-one?
[18:12] <Myrtti> Just Works
[18:12] <LjL> just works when chanserv ain't lagged
[18:12] <LjL> which it quite often is
[18:12] <Myrtti> tomaw: good idea
[18:13] <LjL> also, when it is *not* lagged, you're wasting time waiting instead of doing the action immediately
[18:13] <LjL> if i do that with Konversation, i'm excused, since its scripting is non-existent
[18:13] <LjL> but if you do that with irssi you have no excuse :)
[18:13] <tomaw> Any reasion you're not just using auto_bleh.pl?
[18:14] <Myrtti> it sucks
[18:14] <tomaw> What don't you like about it?  I've only found a couple of bugs that are annoying I think
[18:14] <Myrtti> can't remember why I dislike it
[18:14] <jussio1> tomaw: where would one get that... cant see it on irssi.org... ( I have to try everything :D )
[18:15] <Myrtti> too long ago
[18:15] <tomaw> jussio1: http://tomaw.net/tmp/auto_bleh.pl is a slightly modified version I use
[18:15] <jussio1> tomaw: ok. thanks
[18:15] <nalioth> jussio1: nickserv doesn't like you?
[18:16] <Gary> can you get irrrrrrsi for osx?
[18:16] <tomaw> you can
[18:16] <jussio1> nalioth: ??
[18:16] <LjL> of course, why not, it's just an ncurses thingie
[18:17] <jussio1> cripes... must change that highlight colour...
[18:17] <Gary> is it pink?
[18:18] <jussio1> Gary: no... bright yellow... which doesnt work too well on white
[18:19] <Myrtti> mjahmjahmjah
[18:20] <Gary> what did you change LjL ?
[18:20] <LjL> Gary: removed the reference to #ubuntu-ops-monitor. everybody knows by now.
[18:20] <nalioth> jussio1: /msg nickserv help identify
[18:21] <nalioth> thank you, jussio1
[18:21] <jussio1> nalioth: hehe, forgot - konversation auto does it...
[18:24] <ardchoille> nalioth: Are there any tools you recommend for an op to use in #kubuntu? I am using the auto_bleh.pl script. What else do you recommend?
[18:25] <LjL> hammers
[18:25] <Myrtti> beer
[18:25] <LjL> and hamsters
[18:25] <Myrtti> chocolate
[18:25] <Myrtti> red silk
[18:26] <ardchoille> Not sure about hamsters, but I can handle the rest :)
[18:26] <jussio1> Hmm, also how does the bantracker work? do ardchoille and I need to get access?
[18:26] <ardchoille> jussio1: Good question
[18:26] <stdin> no, ubotu watches for kicks/removes/bans
[18:26] <stdin> you need access to access it (i think)
[18:27] <nalioth> ardchoille: if it works for you, it works great
[18:27] <stdin> and, yes, I know that sentence was a bit wobbly
[18:27] <nalioth> ardchoille: clones.pl may be of use
[18:28] <stdin> ardchoille, jussio1: does @btlogin work for you?
[18:28] <ardchoille> nalioth: Thank you, I'll check out that script as well.
[18:28] <jussio1> @btlogin
[18:28] <jussio1> no
[18:28] <ardchoille> I mentioned to tomaw how much I liked auto_bleh.pl and he had a few things to say about it that I feel you all should know.
[18:28] <stdin> you'll need to poke seveas to add you then
[18:28] <jussio1> stdin: It gives me an authentication error
[18:29] <jussio1> ok
[18:29] <ardchoille> Should I paste the 8 lines here?
[18:29] <nalioth> ardchoille: do you want to be kicked?
[18:29] <Gary> lol
[18:29] <tomaw> haha
[18:29] <stdin> jussio1: before it wasn't so much of a problem, but now access to the bantracker is restricted you'll have to get access
[18:29] <Myrtti> :-)
[18:29] <ardchoille> haha
[18:30] <tomaw> I can summarise anyway.  Beware of banning if the hostname could've changed after the victim joined the channel (ie, they identified to nickserv and were cloaked)
[18:30] <jussio1>  stdin yeah ok. Ill poke Seveas when he is next around.
[18:31] <ardchoille> tomaw: Thank you
[18:31] <LjL> tomaw: if it banned the IP...
[18:31] <tomaw> LjL: Aye :)
[18:31] <Gary> so it fails to do a whois then?
[18:32] <tomaw> It should do a /userhost to determine the current host, yes
[18:32] <tomaw> It doesn't, it just uses irssi's cached hostname
[18:32] <Gary> bad idea
[18:33] <tomaw> It's not often a problem as you don't often want to ban a cloaked user
[18:36] <LjL> uhm, my bots don't check the host either
[18:36] <LjL> but i guess that shouldn't really be a problem either
[18:38] <Gary> best idea is to just do a /clear instead of a ban :p
[18:40] <Myrtti> what was fabio's ip again?
[18:41] <LjL> fabio? yesterday's guy who talked about trojans?
[18:43] <Myrtti> was it yesterday?
[18:46] <LjL> well, tonight
[18:46] <LjL> anyway fabio is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Fábio Oliveira)
[18:46] <Myrtti> aaaanyyway so I was talking to this duck, roight...
[18:47] <Myrtti> ok, diffrent fabio then
[19:07] <jussi01> hmmm... how do I save irssi so it boots up with my channels already joined?
[19:08] <nalioth> jussi01: /help layout
[19:09] <jussi01> nalioth: thats not quite what I am after. I want it to auto join the channels also.
[19:10] <jussi01> can someone kick that thing? (jussi__ )
[19:13] <nalioth> jussi01: first thing is to join only the channels you want to autojoin
[19:13] <nalioth> oops
[19:21] <nalioth> jussi01: when you come back, you have a message in your server window
[20:46] <Gary> should I be getting as uptight as I am getting annoyed at the talk of tinyXP in -offtopic?
[20:46] <Gary> at the end of the day it is against MS license terms, and as such software piracy
[20:49] <Myrtti> /me makes a distraction
[20:50] <Gary> I noticed
[20:50] <Gary> :p
[20:50] <Gary> a duck?
[20:50] <Myrtti> works everytime
[20:56] <Pumpernickel> Was it a duck of doom?
[20:59] <Myrtti> naaaah
[20:59] <Gary> it was a duck of distraction :-)
[20:59] <Myrtti> I'm just acting as the stupid sidekick
[21:00] <Gary> doing a very good job too :p
[21:00] <Myrtti> I could be more distracting with the amount of vodka and rhum I've been drinking ;-)
[21:01] <ompaul> ye are all quackers
[21:02] <Myrtti> I love you ompaul ;-)
[21:02]  * Gary quacks
[21:02] <Myrtti> quack
[21:02] <Gary> no one loves me :'(
[21:02]  * Pumpernickel quacks at Gary
[21:03] <ompaul> so look at pc_dark in #ubuntu and are they a troll?
[21:03] <jpatrick> some possible-trolls on #kubuntu too
[21:04] <nalioth> tis the season
[21:04] <ompaul> they choose to quit as I kind of pointed out I was ready to remove them if they kept up the lies and fud
[21:13] <Myrtti> seee, it worked
[21:13] <Myrtti> \o/
[21:15] <jussi01> ok... someone enlighten me... how do I come back from /away ?
[21:16] <Myrtti> /away
[21:16] <Myrtti> :-)
[21:16] <Myrtti> in irssi
[21:16]  * jussi01 feels silly... :P
[21:17] <jussi01> thanks Myrtti
[21:17] <Myrtti> np
[21:17] <Myrtti> /me joins ircnets #irssi
[21:20] <somerville32> Can I get my mask changed to use my launchpad id?
[21:22] <ompaul> somerville32, define
[21:23] <somerville32>  ubuntu/member/somerville32 -> /ubuntu/member/cody-somerville
[21:24] <ompaul> you could but people don't look that deep
[21:24] <ompaul> you can ask the irc-council to do it for you
[21:48] <ardchoille> nalioth: Thanks for the tip about clones.pl, nice script.
[21:49] <nalioth> try it in #ubuntu
[21:49] <ardchoille> I have a feeling that would scroll too quite a bit :)
[21:51] <nalioth> ardchoille: no, unless your irssi is greatly modified, it'll fail
[21:51] <nalioth> too many people in there
[21:51] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[22:41]  * jussi01 wonders if Myrtti is still around...
[22:41] <Myrtti> yup
[22:42] <Myrtti> took a nap ;-)
[22:42] <Myrtti> whuzzup
[22:42] <jussi01> Myrtti: seems my irssi dont like your aliases... :( it gives me: 00:40 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: remove
[22:42] <Myrtti> tsk
[22:43] <Myrtti> it should b /quote remove
[22:43] <nalioth> jussi01: not writing your own?
[22:44] <Myrtti> they're not mine either
[22:44] <Myrtti> :-D
[22:44] <jussi01> nalioth: testing them out...
[22:45] <nalioth> let me know where, so i can stay away      :P
[22:46] <jussi01> nalioth: in my private channel... all is good :D #dib5sn
[23:10] <ubotu> Juhaz called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[23:12] <ubotu> MLP called the ops in #ubuntuforums ()
[23:14] <Pelo> nalioth,  and what would be the purpose of me reporting to the channel after I have banned some asshole ?
[23:14] <nalioth> well, if you idle here, there is no reporting
[23:14] <nalioth> i say "that guy is a serial troll, and has been klined"
[23:15] <nalioth> so you can remove the ban from the banlist
[23:15] <Pelo> I don't like to idle in multiple channels, but thanks for the consern
[23:17] <ardchoille> I always felt that being an op is a matter of duty, not doing what one "liked"
[23:18] <ardchoille> But, that's just me I suppose