[14:55] <elopio> ping brendand: you have flake8 errors on your config branch.
[14:55] <elopio> I like it a lot that you moved the name to an argument.
[14:58] <brendand> elopio, odd. let me check
[15:02] <elopio> brendand: now that you are adding commnad line arguments, I would like to see  a test for that. Maybe if you move the parsing to a different function it will be easier.
[15:08] <elopio> alesage: quick review here please, to follow the rule of two: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/flash_in_readme/+merge/247935
[15:40] <alesage> elopio k
[15:47] <paulliu> alesage: https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/indicator-power-autopilot-test-20150121
[15:48] <paulliu> alesage: I can get the Notificatiion if I use create_notification.py
[15:48] <paulliu> alesage: But I get no Notificaiton show when I set the battery low.
[15:48] <brendand> elopio, see my reply on https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-sanity-tests/fix_wizard_test/+merge/247995
[15:48] <brendand> elopio, the continue action is only used for a passphrase
[15:49] <elopio> brendand: ack. Sounds good.
[15:49] <paulliu> alesage: I think, for http://people.canonical.com/~thomir/ueqa-code-proposals/proposals/indicator-power/index.html UI Helpers part is almost done.
[15:49] <elopio> I'll flash and try to run it.
[15:53] <brendand> elopio, you're sure that a test for the command line args is necessary in https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/specific_config/+merge/247841 ? it's a very simple bit of code... i could add something if you really feel strongly about it
[15:58] <alesage> paulliu, I'll test this morning thanks
[15:59] <paulliu> alesage: When I run test111, from the screen of the phone I saw the power-icon changed. But the Notification dialog doesn't show up.
[16:02] <alesage> paulliu, I'll have time to have a look--when running charles' tests I def saw the notification when the battery gets low
[16:02] <brendand> elopio, btw can you offer some feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sanity-tests/+bug/1415877
[16:02] <elopio> brendand: yes, I feel strongly about it. I want 100% coverage.
[16:04] <elopio> brendand: wouldn't it be solved by my optional options branch?
[16:04] <elopio> now all options are requested, but they can be left blank. If there is a default, it will be used.
[16:05] <brendand> elopio, if it does, then great
[16:05] <elopio> brendand: I'm not sure. You still can use passcode and assign letter to the passphrase.
[16:05] <elopio> avoiding that would require some validation.
[16:08] <brendand> elopio, but the problem is that what the provided passcode/phrase is considered to be is purely dictated by that setting
[16:08] <brendand> elopio, e.g. 1234 can be either a passcode or passphrase
[16:08] <brendand> elopio, so you can't really validate it
[16:12] <brendand> elopio, i think i have a plan for the command line test
[16:13] <elopio> brendand: we would need the validation to happen after all the config has been read.
[16:14] <brendand> elopio, what would you validate then? that the password matches with the security method given?
[16:14] <elopio> brendand: cool about the tests. You can look at autopilot for ideas too.
[16:15] <elopio> brendand: that if security is passcode, password has to be four digits integeeer.
[16:15] <brendand> elopio, that would be fine with passcode, you can check that it's a 4 digit string
[16:15] <brendand> elopio, but for passphrase you can't
[16:15] <elopio> brendand: for passphrase, any value is accepted, what would you validate there?
[16:16] <brendand> elopio, right you can't validate anything
[16:32] <elopio> brendand: I think that the welcome wizard card also involved checking it against the test docs in moztrap. Can you please check if we are following all the same steps?
[16:32] <brendand> elopio, actually the moztrap test specifies only to use a passcode
[16:32] <brendand> elopio, oh you mean in general
[16:33] <brendand> elopio, actually there is one thing
[16:33] <elopio> brendand: yes, to make sure we are doing the same thing in each page.
[16:33] <brendand> elopio, we don't go through the wifi wizard properly
[16:33] <brendand> elopio, since the connection already exists the wpa key is never asked for
[16:33] <brendand> elopio, so we need to delete the connection before running the test
[16:34] <brendand> elopio, we can simply rm the connection file
[16:34] <elopio> brendand: ok. Should we do it as part of this card, or make another one for that?
[16:34] <brendand> elopio, i'll make a bug for that - i was focused on fixing the error
[16:35] <brendand> elopio, another card, yes i think so
[16:35] <alesage> elopio I'm reviewing optional_options fyi
[16:35] <elopio> brendand: ok, please make the card and put an estimate in ideal hours to it.
[16:36] <elopio> alesage: thanks.
[16:42] <brendand> elopio, added in TODO. size 5
[16:50] <elopio> brendand: thanks.
[17:01] <elopio> brendand: ah, and there's one more thing to annotate about that card. Since we are in developer mode, the security screen is actually doing nothing.
[17:01] <brendand> elopio, in that it's not actually changing the password/phrase. yes
[17:02] <brendand> elopio, i doubt there's anything we can do about that though
[17:02] <elopio> brendand: yes. Maybe, make an annotation on the moztrap doc saying that it is automated but the security still needs to be manually checked.
[17:03] <elopio> ?
[17:04] <brendand> elopio, well that's not in the sanity tests ;)
[17:04] <elopio> You are right there. It just checks that the screens can be filled and accepted.
[17:05] <elopio> so, we are actually automating it all :)
[17:05] <brendand> elopio, i'm going offline til the standup
[17:05] <brendand> elopio, see you then
[17:05] <elopio> bye
[17:05] <elopio> enjoy life.
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, I had a chat with Roman on that shorts app flaky test, I am trying something to see if I can fix it
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, excellent
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, wait... it will be excellent if it works :-P
[20:20] <balloons> :p
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like it passed, this time, do you want to see if you can break it ?
[20:25] <dobey_> is it possible to use the phone emulator as the virt-server for adt-run? balloons ?
[20:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, I will
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) thanks
[20:26] <balloons> dobey_, I do the opposite. Start the emulator, and use adb
[20:27] <dobey_> balloons: ah, was hoping one could do adt-run --- xvfb-run ubuntu-emulator devel-proposed or something
[20:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, I queued up 4 runs
[20:33] <balloons> also running locally on my desktop
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, awesome! thanks.
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am also running the tests several times in sandbox on my desktop
[20:34] <balloons> first glance, I think it's fine ;-)
[20:35] <balloons> Letozaf_, lol, jenkins failed it
[20:36] <balloons> Letozaf_, I too am getting an occasional failure perhaps on test_edit_topic
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, :'(
[20:36] <balloons> I guess it might be worth actually looking closer at what is going on
[20:37] <balloons> it's significantly better. I was getting several errors every time, now it usually passes
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah, let me take a look :)
[20:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, so it seems it's failing in the assert, which is probably an easy fix. We should see how we actually want to check the edit topic worked or not
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, if you look at this video:http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-vivid/873/artifact/shorts_app.tests.test_rssreader.TestMainWindow.test_edit_topic.ogv
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, you will se that the topic is not changed, it does not click in the right place
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like it's unable to get "LabelVisual", text="Ubuntu"
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, in the valueselector...  here def change_feeds_topic(self, name): in __init__.py
[20:41] <balloons> I assume there's a sdk helper we could be using
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, hah it passed now :P
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, well at least, some times it passes :P
[20:43]  * balloons still playing around locally
[20:45] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes it's very very close
[21:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, I made some simplification tweaks; lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fixing-flaky-test
[21:03] <balloons> still running locally to play with it
[21:04]  * Letozaf_ is looking at balloons' tweaks
[21:04] <balloons> trying to get a failure with some more debugging output
[21:14] <balloons> Letozaf_, so basically sometimes change_feeds_topic fails
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah looks like soemtimes it fails to get the LabelVisual object to click
[21:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, it sometimes clicks on the valueselector object instead of the labelvisual one, in the video it looks like that
[21:16] <balloons> well Letozaf_ I think it's simply because the location is wrong.. autopilot has the unexpanded location and clicks it instead
[21:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, care to merge my changes?
[21:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will
[21:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, done
[21:21] <balloons> I have an idea for the other timing issue I hope
[21:22] <balloons> going to try and add a wait_for on newTopic inside of change_feeds_topic
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:22] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9943397/
[21:23] <balloons> trying to break it now
[21:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, :)
[21:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, hope it works
[21:24] <balloons> no luck breaking it.. fingers crossed
[21:24]  * Letozaf_ crossed fingers
[21:24] <balloons> I say ship it ;-)
[21:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, :)
[21:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, so what is happening is a a timing issue
[21:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah looks like
[21:25] <balloons> the list can be expanded but listitem isn't yet visible. As such, autopilot has the coordinates for the parent object, which is the label
[21:25] <balloons> make sense?
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, oooh!!! yes makes sense
[21:26] <balloons> 10 runs all passed
[21:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, yay!
[21:27] <balloons> file that one into your brain if you see it again. If autopilot is clicking in the wrong place, it's probably clicking the parent object because the object you are trying to click isn't visible or it's coordinates are changing
[21:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes thanks I definitely will
[21:29] <balloons> you got most of it, adding the wait_for on expanded
[21:29] <balloons> I wouldn't have thought to have added the visible.wait_for also
[21:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes but you fixed the last bit :) thanks for your help


[13:01] <cjwatson> wgrant: Did you have a chance to look at my series-alias branch while I was on holiday?
[21:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: I'm trying to sort out the Deferred handling in https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/buildmaster-cancel-properly/+merge/177580.  Why would requestAbort fail if the slave is already ABORTING?  My reading of the slave code is that it should just return immediately.
[21:37] <cjwatson> wgrant: My inclination is that if requestAbort fails then I should immediately enter the resume-slave-host-or-fail-builder path.  But I think I can only take that approach if such a failure isn't going to happen any time somebody restarts buildd-manager in the middle of a cancellation.
[21:49] <cjwatson> I believe that http://paste.ubuntu.com/6034419/ implements this if it's a tenable approach.
[23:28] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah, you're right, abort() shouldn't normally fail.
[23:29] <wgrant> resetting is indeed probably sensible, but the CancellationError due to a manager restart is indeed an issue.


[03:50] <NoCode> Hey, I go to change the time format on the bar, and it goes back to how it was before. I don't think this is normal behaviour. :P
[10:37] <fossfreedom> NoCode, the calendar applet? Think someone mentioned that before to me.  There is a fix upstream but haven't had the time to backport and patch it
[10:40] <NoCode> Okay cool. At least you know. :)
[10:46] <VTCoder> Hey all


[16:19] <oobx> smoser: you told me to look at in the examples folder for documentation.  I've done that.  Should I consider the directives in those examples a complete, all-inclusive set of potential directives?
[16:22] <smoser> oobx, its reasonably complete.
[16:23] <oobx> :) I'll accept that answer.  thanks for all the work!
[16:24] <oobx> i'll point my customers at those examples
[17:01] <smoser> oobx, we're open to patches to improve documentation too :)
[17:01] <oobx_> cool.  thanks!


[04:42] <ScottL> TheMuso, would you have a few minutes to discuss the options to fix the network-admin bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828
[04:42] <ScottL> i was hoping to resolve both an SRU for lucid and also for future releases (including maverick)
[22:40] <ScottL> rlameiro, will you be able to test the latest ISO for amd64?
[22:40] <ScottL> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4242
[22:40] <ScottL> troy_s, i'll be posting on my blog this weekend, you'll probably like this one
[22:40] <troy_s> Good.
[22:41] <troy_s> ScottL: You should post more.
[22:41] <rlameiro> ScottL: I will seek to it, maybe tomorrow
[22:41] <rlameiro> ScottL: when is the test due?
[22:41] <ScottL> rlameiro, the end of july i believe!
[22:41] <rlameiro> ok
[22:41] <ScottL> rlameiro, yes, alpha 3 is due august 3rd
[22:41] <rlameiro> I will try to do it ASAP
[22:42] <ScottL> thank you
[22:42] <rlameiro> no need to thank
[22:42] <rlameiro> :D


[21:01] <`marianne`> hiya
[21:01] <Pendulum> heya
[21:01] <AlanBell> boo
[21:02] <`marianne`> my disabilities don't actually tend to require accessibility software, i hope that doesn't stop me being welcome in here? hehe
[21:02] <AlanBell> everyone is welcome
[21:02] <`marianne`> that wasn't an entirely serious comment but yay :)
[21:02] <maco> there's some temporarily able-bodied people here too :)
[21:03] <AlanBell> TheMuso: webczat was asking last night about using gui admin tools with orca, anything run with sudo and it all goes silent. I found a blueprint relating to it, is there any progress you know of, and does it work in vinux?
[21:03] <Pendulum> `marianne`: I only use accessibility software rarely (well, less than i should), but everyone's welcome :)
[21:03] <`marianne`> i'm hoping that my anxiety causes a large portion of the tiredness problems i have, that'll make me more capable of doing the things i'd like to when they get my meds right :)
[21:04]  * Pendulum was given one of those non-lecture lectures by a doc today about typing too much
[21:04] <`marianne`> i did actually have problems finding a screen magnifier i liked in ubuntu
[21:04] <Pendulum> `marianne`: good luck with that :)
[21:04] <`marianne`> Pendulum, switch to dvorak, problem solved? :P
[21:04] <maco> Pendulum: you need a touch interface with swiping, like that one iphone app?
[21:04] <AlanBell> swype!
[21:05] <`marianne`> i have actually found i get a lot less pain from typing after i switched to dvorak, even if the speed increases weren't significant
[21:05] <maco> thats the android version right?
[21:05] <Pendulum> `marianne`: the problem isn't location of keys, it's kinda complicated
[21:05] <maco> i wasnt sure if that was a swipey keyboard or the swipey unlock's name, so i didnt say it :P
[21:05] <AlanBell> maco: yes, I don't have an iPhone
[21:05] <Pendulum> no, I need dasher to work and to have the patience to use it
[21:06] <maco> dasher's the speech to text?
[21:06] <`marianne`> Pendulum, sorry if my suggestion couldn't help though... although the less-pain-from-typing thing really was significant for me
[21:06] <`marianne`> ...then, rather than though
[21:06] <Pendulum> `marianne`: it's cool :) I've just got really complicated issues and I don't expect most people to understand (and you definitely recommended what most people would)
[21:07] <Pendulum> Dasher is the altnate input using mouse that isn't an on-screen keyboard
[21:07] <AlanBell> maco: dasher is a novel type of on screen keyboard, letters fly in from the side and you point at them, the size of the letters varies probabalistically
[21:07] <AlanBell> and it crashes
[21:07] <`marianne`> complicated issues, so much "fun" (speaking as someone who's issues are kinda complicated too)
[21:07] <maco> O_O
[21:07] <maco> this sounds like a fun program, if it worked
[21:07] <Pendulum> maco: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
[21:07] <`marianne`> Pendulum, so what kind of typing interface works best for you?
[21:08] <AlanBell> maco: I got it to crash when running under gdb, I know what line number it segfaults on, I have no clue how to fix the damn thing
[21:08] <maco> AlanBell: what languge?
[21:08] <AlanBell> C
[21:08] <Pendulum> `marianne`: one that isn't typing. I have a condition called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome so all my joints are hypermobile. This includes my hands
[21:08] <maco> is there a bug report in lp? subscribe me to it and put the file and line number
[21:09] <Pendulum> `marianne`: so when I press on keys, the joints in my fingers bend backwards
[21:09] <`marianne`> dasher looks really quite cool
[21:09] <`marianne`> eep
[21:09] <`marianne`> is it painful?
[21:09] <Pendulum> so that's why I probably shouldn't be typing :-/
[21:09] <Pendulum> eventually, yes
[21:10] <Pendulum> but not in the same way as RSIs like carpal tunnel are
[21:11] <`marianne`> i hope they're able to find better ways of treating it, then
[21:11] <Pendulum> meh, pain meds and probably bracing
[21:12] <AlanBell> maco: subscribed you, just need to fire up a different laptop to get the line number and update the bug
[21:12] <`marianne`> with all sorts of cloning techniques going on for all sorts, the next few decades are a time to be hopeful? :)
[21:12] <maco> AlanBell: k thanks
[21:12] <Pendulum> `marianne`: tbh, there's a lot about EDS that I don't care if I get rid of or keep. And it'd be really complicated for them to "fix" since they haven't located all the genes which cause it yet
[21:13] <Pendulum> `marianne`: I'm mostly unconcerned. I'm happy to find management techniques and get on with stuff
[21:13] <`marianne`> ok :)
[21:13] <`marianne`> it doesn't sound that fun though
[21:14] <Pendulum> meh. i can do freaky bendy things. that can be amusing
[21:14] <Pendulum> even if I'm not supposed to do them
[21:15] <maco> doing freaky bendy things is fun
[21:15] <maco> people's faces!
[21:15] <Pendulum> exactly!
[21:15] <maco> (i bend in all the directions that arent considered flexible and none of the ones that are useful for gymnastics)
[21:15] <Pendulum> maco: sounds like me
[21:15] <`marianne`> see i'd just hide behind my hands from freaky bendy things
[21:16] <`marianne`> if people do things like that it just...
[21:16]  * maco cant touch toes
[21:16] <`marianne`> well, makes me hide hehe
[21:16] <Pendulum> maco: ah, okay. I can touch toes, but most of my other stuff is "odd"
[21:16] <`marianne`> i just saw... well... i'm not sure whether i just saw a freakishly huge moth or a small nocturnal hummingbird...
[21:16] <maco> Pendulum: put your foot over your hip?
[21:16] <Pendulum> maco: that's not normal?
[21:16] <maco> :)
[21:16] <`marianne`> but i'm pretty sure there's no hummingbirds in england
[21:17] <maco> i used to hook mine under my ribs when i was a kid
[21:17] <`marianne`> in the wild at least
[21:17] <maco> then i stopped being dangerously underweight
[21:17] <Pendulum> not being dangerously underweight is good
[21:18] <`marianne`> with my height i'm supposed to be a minimum of 12 stone, i've been under 7 before... that was scary
[21:19] <`marianne`> and then i stopped being vegan
[21:19] <maco> oh yeah...that seems like the wrong way to do vegan
[21:19] <`marianne`> vegan diet is not easy to maintain when you don't have the energy to prepare meals
[21:20] <maco> yeah...i could see that
[21:20] <`marianne`> there's not exactly wide availability of vegan ready meals
[21:20] <maco> depends where you are i guess
[21:20] <AlanBell> maco: line 686 of Src/DasherCore/DasherModel.cpp
[21:21] <AlanBell> and sometimes at a few other places where oldnote->Parent() pops up
[21:21] <maco> though being lactose intolerant i can get by with things that are lactose-free but have casein, while that knocks out a bunch of Amy's stuff for vegans
[21:21] <`marianne`> maco, probably true
[21:22] <AlanBell> it only happens in direct mode, from the command line "dasher -a direct" which puts it in useful on-screen keyboard mode
[21:22] <maco> my last flatmate was allergic to casein and eggs
[21:22] <maco> AlanBell: ok
[21:22] <maco> i dont think i ever saw him cook
[21:22] <AlanBell> works OK for a minute or so, then your keyboard segfaults :-(
[21:22] <maco> he ate out a /lot/ though... i couldnt keep up
[21:23] <`marianne`> i do want to cook more
[21:23] <`marianne`> i enjoy it, and i make a lasagne of awesomeness
[21:24] <`marianne`> much better than the ready meal lasagne i'm about to eat
[21:24] <maco> i go for the "make a big batch then use the microwave for a week" method of feeding myself
[21:24] <`marianne`> well, my lasagne tends to be enough for three days, but the problem is it's so good i often eat two days worth after i cook it
[21:24] <maco> hehe i know what ya mean
[21:25]  * AlanBell likes lasagne
[21:25] <`marianne`> and i don't currently have a working freezer
[21:25] <maco> oh yeah...that sucks
[21:25] <maco> alright i have to leave work now
[21:25] <maco> laters
[21:25] <`marianne`> take care maco
[21:26] <AlanBell> `marianne`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam <- links to all the UK stuff
[21:30] <`marianne`> ty :)
[23:05] <`marianne`>  at first i was mildly annoyed that the wine glasses i bought were plastic, but with disability induced clumsiness, it's turned out to be a great thing
[23:07] <Pendulum> heh
[23:07] <`marianne`> they'd be broken many times over, otherwise
[23:07] <`marianne`> just glad i've never knocked a full one over
[23:16] <`marianne`> do pci wireless/bluetooth cards tend to have the necessary drivers under ubuntu?
[23:19] <TheMuso> AlanBell: It should work in vinux, and if you use an accessibility profile when you install Ubuntu, i.e the braille or screen reader profiles, sudo and GUI admin tools work, as long as you don't use gksu.


[22:05] <twiclo> What's "offline charging" listed here?
[22:05] <twiclo> https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/enchilada/


[01:22] <swalladge> i'm trying to use ubuntu-device-flash, but I'm getting 'cache formatting was not successful, flashing may fail, check your partitions on device'
[01:22] <swalladge> and it's stuck on the 'powered by ubuntu' logo on boot
[01:45] <swalladge> nevermind - managed to get it working by using the bq flashtool
[01:45] <swalladge> i think i may have messed up a partition somehow
[10:34] <faenil> does anyone know what sets the LD_LIBRARY_PATH when you "start unity8"?
[10:34] <faenil> it's not unity8.conf upstart session
[11:14] <bregma> faenil, simple answer is no one, it's pretty unusual to set that variable for regular system software and I don't see it set for unity8 on any of my devices or desktops
[11:14] <faenil> bregma: I think it's probably coming from /etc/environment
[11:14] <faenil> not sure what the full path is though
[11:14] <bregma> maybe something has altered that on your system(s)?
[11:15] <faenil> no, I just want to know how it is set
[11:15] <bregma> you're trying to find some place to set it then?
[11:15] <ogra_> how are you determining it is altered ?
[11:15] <ogra_> (it isnt in /etc/environment)
[11:15] <bregma> it *is* a classic security exploit, after all
[11:16] <faenil> ogra_: it is
[11:16] <ogra_> well, the app launcher definitely sets it to point to  the confined FS area
[11:17] <ogra_> faenil, nou on any of my devices or in the code that mangles /etc/environment
[11:17] <ogra_> *not on
[11:17] <faenil> I'm looking for a way to start unity8 with a modified path, but without resorting to starting it without upstart
[11:17] <ogra_> if yours has it you must have manually changed it
[11:17] <bregma> you can examine what it is actually set to in unity8 with the comand "tr '\000' '\n' </proc/$(pidof unity8)/environ | grep LD"
[11:18] <faenil> bregma: yeah I know, I want to chage its value though :)
[11:18] <faenil> and exporting vars before using the start command is obviously not working :)
[11:18] <bregma> you can always copy unity.conf into ~/.config/upstart and modify it locally if you're just testing something
[11:18] <bregma> unity8.conf
[11:18] <faenil> bregma: ah right, good that'll do, thank you
[11:19] <faenil> yes it's for performance related investigations
[11:19] <ogra_> you can use initctl
[11:19] <ogra_> to set it for any job
[11:20] <faenil> me looks for manpage
[11:20] <ogra_> (note that you ned to do it from within the running session or you need to extract the UPSTRAT_SESSION variable from the session and set it first)
[11:20] <faenil> yep, I'm already exporting upstart_session
[11:20] <faenil> I'm doing everything from inside a chroot
[11:20] <faenil> (on device)
[11:24] <faenil> ogra_: ah initctl set-env, although that's one var at a time right?
[11:24] <faenil> there's no way to just source a file
[11:24] <ogra_> well, you can write a loop
[11:24] <faenil> I think having a custom .conf is quicker
[11:24] <faenil> of course
[11:30] <faenil> although that will screw my host upstart environment
[11:30] <faenil> mmm maybe better if I just run it without upstart
[11:54] <miculou> hi all
[13:17] <faenil> ogra_: btw just fyi, this is on my MX4 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18444241/
[13:18] <ogra_> faenil, hmm, interesting, not on the pro5
[13:19] <ogra_> (and /etc/environemnt should not have anything but PATH set at all ... thats a long standing bug)
[13:28] <mhall119> bregma: what PPAs shouldn't be added anymore? I can update my blog post to add a warning
[13:34] <bregma> mhall119, *only* the stable phone overlay
[13:37] <bregma> mhall119, did you create bugs for the other problems you encountered?  I found the file-manager bug (it's still happening) but if you have others handy that would be helpful
[13:37] <bregma> eg. ssh-agent not starting (because gnome-keyring assumed gnome-session is running...  something we may be able to work around)
[13:50] <mhall119> bregma:
[13:52] <mhall119> bregma: remove only the stable phone PPA, or leave on that one?
[13:53] <mhall119> I can't remember if I filed a bug with the file manager or not, but I did talk to popey about it a while ago
[13:53] <bregma> mhall119, you should install only the stable phone overlay PPA, no silos
[13:53] <bregma> mhall119, I definitely found the bug on the file manager
[13:54] <bregma> mhall119, also, a recent change landed so the package you need to install is now simplified to unity8-desktop-session (not -mir, although there is a transitional package that redirects)
[13:58] <mhall119> bregma: thanks
[14:02] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: https://plus.google.com/+MarkRife/posts/VRt2r5RjWaR
[14:03] <ahoneybun> OPO is active while saying Bluetooth is not working but the page says it is and other things still don't work
[14:16] <sergiusens> mhall119 when using the terminal, do you have issues with input (I have to go to one of the settings or terminal tabs thing to get input back)
[14:16] <sergiusens> been having that issue for a while
[14:17] <ogra_> i think there was a bug about it
[14:25] <sergiusens> ogra_ is there anyone working on the terminal still?
[14:25] <sergiusens> feels pretty important ;-)
[14:26] <ogra_> sergiusens, i thnk popey knows
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone here?
[17:41] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, if  a blueetooth device says it will work with Android or mostly, then it should work with Ubuntu Touch as well?
[17:43] <popey> depends on the device
[17:44] <popey> some require apps
[17:44] <popey> others are just media devices like speakers/micrphones/headsets
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh ok
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, or a driver software?  toner things didn't go well
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I seen like a keyboard with a touch pad earlier,  from something else
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was cheap as well, but not sure how well it would work
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or not
[17:46] <popey> keyboards / mice should just work
[17:46] <popey> they're input devices
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well this is a bit differnt,  a air mouse thing
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, he h I got certain tech things I want to buy in the next three to four months let's say,  and then done for the year I think buying tech,  unless some rather interesting crowd funded thing or something like that possibly
[18:26] <pwca> hi, I am trying to connect my Android cell phone as a storage device but when I plug the USB in it just recharges.
[18:26] <pwca> this worked a while ago and now randomly doesn't.
[18:26] <pwca> the cell phone is an HTC M8 and my OS is Ubuntu Gnome 15.10.
[22:30] <grasstype> So people that use the phone/tablet as a daily driver... what do you miss?
[22:35] <k1l> i guess: whatsapp :X
[22:35] <grasstype> what is so amazing about whatsapp?
[22:36] <grasstype> I swear, I keep hearing about these new programs and websites and such that are new hotness, and I never understand WHY
[22:36] <grasstype> It's how I know I'm old I guess
[22:40] <k1l> well, its a messenger (bought by facebook). but this is just a problem if the people around you use that because they refuse to make a client for ubuntu touch so far. and since its closed software that is the issue
[22:56] <Keziolio> and if you don't use whatsapp ubuntu-touch doesn't work on your device
[22:56] <Keziolio> fml
[22:59] <grasstype> Keziolio, what do you mean?
[23:01] <Keziolio> it was a joke, but ubuntu doesn't work for real, i suppose it's not compatible with android 6?
[23:02] <k1l> Keziolio: compatible?
[23:02] <Keziolio> a guy once told be that android 6 is bad for modding
[23:02] <Keziolio> i use multirom on an opo
[23:02] <k1l> ubuntu-touch is not a mod.
[23:02] <Keziolio> and it doesn't work on cm13
[23:02] <Keziolio> but multirom is
[23:03] <Acou_Bass> grasstype: i ran the phone as a 'daily driver' for a few months - the main thing i missed was a good messenger for multiple protocols - there isa hangouts app that worked awesomely however theres nothing for FB chat aside from using their webapp which is a bit meh and doesnt always work
[23:03] <Keziolio> it "bootloops"
[23:04] <grasstype> it's always weird to me when a webapp doesn't work
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> well
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> its facebooks fault
[23:05] <grasstype> like... it's a webapp... isn't the whole point is that it will always work? Thats the promise, right?
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> you open the facebook webapp (it works fine), you click the 'messenger' icon in the centre, and facebook gaives you an unclosable banner telling you to download their android app
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> so not really ubuntu's fault
[23:05] <grasstype> lol, that's amazing
[23:05] <grasstype> i mean, in the "every screw up is funny" way
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> ALSO, i miss having notifications
[23:06] <Acou_Bass> for my e-mail, for my twitterz, for my FB/hangouts messages
[23:06] <grasstype> I know the gmail app gives notifications
[23:06] <Acou_Bass> yeah, the gmail webapp does weirdly
[23:07] <Acou_Bass> no other webapps do, and the real e-mail app doesnt
[23:07] <grasstype> Wish dekko did. Or if it does, wish I knew how to make it
[23:07] <grasstype> I like how smooth the notifications are though
[23:07] <grasstype> On android ntoficiations annoyed me way too much
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> when you get an app that does notifications right (ie. telegram, or the text messaging app)
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> they are amazing
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> its just a shame no other apps seem to do them
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> XD
[23:09] <grasstype> If I ever get an ubuntu phone, I will definitely miss facetime
[23:09] <Acou_Bass> im actually using sailfishOS now on my nexus 4 - FOR NOW it is far better as a daily driver for me
[23:09] <grasstype> videochat with the wife once a day really makes 2nd shift better
[23:10] <Acou_Bass> but im keeping my eye on ubuntu and plan to switch back once some things are fixed
[23:10] <grasstype> I honestly just assume all the other open source ones are dead. Sorry Sailfish guys, Jolla guys, Firefox OS guys, if your'e still working on that stuff
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> wel
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> firefox is dead :P
[23:11] <grasstype> I wish it didn't die, but I also couldn't see their market that well
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> well... 'firefox OS' is dead - 'B2G OS' (ie. the community-ran fork) is still going
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> i used firefoxOS for a really long time as a daily driver
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> i honestly got along really well with it
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> and the phone costed me like £35 brand new... really cant complain at that price
[23:12] <grasstype> community run forks only die when the last enthusiast is gone. So that's at least another 10 years of life
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> yeah im definitely gonna put b2g OS on my firefox phone when i can be bothered
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> really interested to see where they tatke it
[23:13] <grasstype> Did it still use the gecko engine?
[23:14] <Acou_Bass> yeah it did... there were talks of switching it over to servo but i dont think that materialised yet
[23:14] <grasstype> Every month or two I see something about servo. Hows it coming along?
[23:15] <grasstype> I mean... when it is getting into the main browser?
[23:15] <Acou_Bass> no idea to be honest, i havent really tested it - they are putting out nightly builds though (not in actual firefox nightly, a seperate build)
[23:16] <grasstype> darn. Well, here's to hoping it's ready within a year or so. Maybe we can take back a small bit of chrome marketshare with new and shiny
[23:16] <Acou_Bass> e10s is all working though, that should make it to mainline firefox soon
[23:17] <grasstype> e10s?
[23:17] <Acou_Bass> the whole multi-process thing
[23:17] <grasstype> oh, nice
[23:17] <grasstype> electrolysis, ah, sweet
[23:21] <Keziolio> how do you debug ubuntu touch on a real device? I got a log from multirom but it feels like dmesg output
[23:23] <Keziolio> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Keziolio/de1605258c9cb16524591d3b5c9ef960/raw/73699b55c720518b6e3d1d7ff279f2ef155900bf/gistfile1.txt
[23:51] <mhall119> sergiusens: I never had an input problem with the terminal
[23:53] <sergiusens> mhall119 when unsing a bt keyboard and switching windows it always worked for you? lucky! In any case ogra_ gave me a bug number to look at


[00:24] <VelusUniverseSys> sarnold, are you about?>
[00:25] <sarnold> VelusUniverseSys: yeah
[00:27] <VelusUniverseSys> would you be bale to set up the mail server for me please?
[00:27] <sarnold> VelusUniverseSys: sorry, no, the best I can do is suggest reading material..
[00:27] <VelusUniverseSys> shame i cant seem to get it to work
[09:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:15] <Tzunamii> Morning
[14:16] <bananapie> I accidentally deleted /etc/networks/interface on a ubuntu 14.04 lts server that had a rather complex config ( bonded cards bridged to other cards ). Is there a way to regenrate interfaces file from active config ?
[14:20] <Sling> bananapie: and there is no /etc/networks/interfaces~ or .swap or something? :) if there hasn't been much activity on that partition the data might still be there, just the inode is marked deleted
[14:20] <Sling> I'm not aware of a way to save the current network configuration to a file like that
[14:21] <bananapie> unfortunately, the file was deleted 453 days ago, two days after the last reboot. And it,s a vm host, with 30 vms, so the disk has definitely had a lot of activity
[14:21] <bananapie> I'm pretty sure I have to rewrite the config, I'm gasping at straws
[14:21] <bananapie> I already checked for a .swap file or interfaces~ file or a interfaces.cfsaved file
[14:21] <bananapie> but no luck
[14:28] <bananapie> Anyone ever see this ? (0) root@vm-1:~# ifenslave --detach bond0 em2
[14:28] <bananapie> em2: is not enslaved to bond0
[14:28] <bananapie> (0) root@vm-1:~# ifenslave bond0 em2
[14:28] <bananapie> sh: echo: I/O error
[14:28] <bananapie> em2: could not add interface
[14:28] <bananapie> according to /sys/, em2 is part of bond0
[15:05] <lordievader> bekks: The file ain't in a backup?
[15:06] <lordievader> Err, that was for bananaapie, sorry bekks.
[16:54] <shakes808> Hello all,  I am installing Ubuntu Server 15.10 and in the list of software that can be installed there is one named Publishing applications,  what is this?
[16:57] <OerHeks> i cannot find "Publishing applications"
[16:58] <shakes808> OerHeks: It is after "Pro audio core tools"
[16:58] <shakes808> I am installing server 15.10
[16:59] <shakes808> maybe it is new?
[16:59] <shakes808> I don't remember seeing it before.  or maybe just never paid attention
[17:00] <OerHeks> Then it should be available for desktop too > http://imgur.com/JiSfG6d
[17:01] <OerHeks> not as app/metapackage nor software group
[17:05] <JanC> if you don't know what it is, most likely you also don't need it  :)
[17:05] <shakes808> OerHeks: working on getting you a picture
[17:06] <OerHeks> yes please, i am curious
[17:07] <shakes808> http://imgur.com/s9arV4a
[17:12] <OerHeks> ahhh got ya, it is ubuntustudio-publishing >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+package/ubuntustudio-publishing
[17:13] <shakes808> Thank you, will check out the link
[17:13] <OerHeks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/ubuntustudio-publishing
[17:14] <OerHeks> gimp fontmanager, agave and such ..
[17:14] <OerHeks> i like the ubuntustudio-photograpy with darktable.
[17:14] <OerHeks> ( for desktop )
[17:15] <OerHeks> didn't know those metapackages are in tasksel too.
[17:27] <shakes808> Cool, thank you OerHeks for the information
[17:28] <shakes808> JanC: you are correct for the most part, if I don't know what it is, then I most likely don't need it; in this case that was true :)
[19:21] <DaMastah> Hi guys :) Performance-wise, is it better to setup an iSCSI target with 4096 max send segment bytes or 262144 (default is 4096) ?
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[23:15] <Caesar> Keybuk: dude, mountall...
[23:15] <Keybuk> Caesar: what about it?
[23:15] <Caesar> Total black box
[23:15] <Keybuk> ?
[23:15] <Caesar> So I see mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted: /net
[23:16] <Caesar> So I figure that it tried to mount /net, an NFS mount, before the network was up
[23:16] <Keybuk> it'll try again when another interface comes up
[23:16] <Caesar> Sorry, I also see mount.nfs: DNS resolution failed for netkrb5.nfs: Name or service not known
[23:16] <Caesar> That was the smoking gun
[23:16] <Keybuk> right
[23:16] <Caesar> But looking at mount-net.conf, it signals mountall the daemon
[23:17] <Keybuk> yes?
[23:17] <Caesar> But looking at mountall.conf, I get the impression the daemon exits at some point
[23:17] <Keybuk> daemon exits once all mounts are mounted, yes
[23:17] <Caesar> Hmm
[23:17] <Caesar> So why did my NFS mount of /net fail?
[23:18] <Keybuk> who knows
[23:18] <Caesar> I'd have said it was because the network wasn't up...
[23:18] <Keybuk> mount.nfs probably knows
[23:18] <Keybuk> it may have even give you an error message
[23:18] <Keybuk> oh, wait, it did
[23:18] <Keybuk> *shock*
[23:18] <Caesar> Yes :-)
[23:18] <Caesar> Suggesting the network wasn't up :-p
[23:18] <Keybuk> sure
[23:18] <Keybuk> sounds reasonable
[23:19] <Caesar> So I was wondering if mountall the daemon prematurely exited, and thus never got signalled by mountall-net
[23:19] <Keybuk> probably not
[23:19] <Keybuk> it won't exit until it's done
[23:22] <Caesar> Next install I do, I'll go looking for logs
[23:22] <Caesar> I have bigger fish to fry at the moment
[23:22] <Keybuk> --debug
[23:23] <Caesar> I presume Upstart is clever and looks for the existence of the thing it's supposed to exec before it execs it?
[23:23] <Caesar> (topic change)
[23:23] <Caesar> i.e. left around conffile upstart job definition, package has been removed
[23:24] <Caesar> I also saw init: Failed to spawn rsyslog main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory
[23:24] <Keybuk> no
[23:24] <Keybuk> it just execs, and deals with the failure
[23:24] <Caesar> Okay. Slightly ugly.
[23:25] <Caesar> I believe Puppet can ensure => purged versus absent
[23:25] <Caesar> We'll just explicitly purge rsyslog
[23:26] <Keybuk> better behaviour is planned


[00:20] <ScottL> nigelb, thanks for your help earlier with the SRU, crimsum ended up uploading it for me already :)
[00:59] <nigelb> ScottL: no prblem :)
[01:29] <paultag> thanks there nigelb
[01:32] <nigelb> paultag: may be we should modify it
[01:32] <nigelb> Its tooo old
[01:32] <paultag> nigelb: yeah :)
[01:33] <nigelb> I think I loved BASIC a lot ;)
[06:19] <maco> akgraner: how do you mix fast and southern? half of a southern accent is simply in the slowness
[07:35] <akgraner> maco that is the half I lost somewhere :-)
[07:36] <nigelb> heh
[07:38] <pleia2> akgraner: so, are you awake because you are still packing, or because you've made it to the left coast? :)
[07:39] <akgraner> just finished packing and my dad is picking me up in 10 minutes to head to the airport
[07:39] <akgraner> got UWN out about midmight
[07:39] <pleia2> woohoo
[07:39] <pleia2> have a safe trip :)
[07:40] <akgraner> midnight here - then packed :-) and of course the one outfit I really wanted to wear had to be washed so I did all the laundry :-)
[07:40] <akgraner> thanks!
[08:23] <jussi> AlanBell: ping
[08:29] <jussi> where is sense!!!  Was thinking about if we coould put a planet up for Businesses involved in ubuntu in some way or another, to blog about what they are doing with ubuntu.
[08:42] <jussi> it would need to have some spam rules, like no pricelists and so on, but still. It would be a portal for finding out info about how ubuntu is being used and furthered in the business world
[08:42] <jussi> thoughts?
[08:45]  * AlanBell approves of this fine idea
[08:45] <dholbach> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainedPackages
[08:50] <jussi> so what? nobody has any thoughts?
[08:51]  * jussi zaps the channel into life...
[08:51] <dholbach> jcastro: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/KnownLimitations
[09:46]  * nigelb gets a zap from jussi
[09:46] <nigelb> jussi: its a good idea
[09:46] <nigelb> AlanBell: you did have an ubuntu @ work idea right?
[09:46] <nigelb> maybe this could be merged?
[09:50] <duanedesign> nigelb: i seem to remember something from uds like that
[09:50] <jussi> nigelb: exatly the point ;)
[09:52] <AlanBell> same kind of thing yes
[09:52] <AlanBell> I was setting up a launchpad group and getting lost in a maze of twisty passages when trying to create a mailing list
[09:53] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-partner-community
[09:53] <AlanBell> jono was going to talk to the partner people about the correct terminology or something
[09:53]  * duanedesign is impressed his memory actually served him well
[09:58] <jcastro> hi everyone!
[10:01] <AlanBell> hi jcastro
[10:04] <jussi> jcastro: up late? early? in a different part of the world?
[10:05] <nigelb> jcastro: hows the heat there?
[10:06] <nigelb> lifeless was talking about it earlier today
[10:12] <vish> i believe jcastro is at the sprint...
[10:13] <jcastro> nigelb: it seems ok to me
[10:13] <nigelb> yeah, Prague
[10:13] <nigelb> jcastro: gah, aussies are coming from winter :D
[10:20] <jcastro> nigelb: we'll have to toughen him up
[10:21] <nigelb> jcastro: hehe
[10:31] <jcastro> JFo: 19a82f26fb43f418daf0f559a65d320f936693fd
[10:34] <doctormo> nigelb: who?
[10:38]  * popey farts on identi.ca
[10:50] <sense> good morning!
[10:53] <vish> sense: you just missed something interesting!
[10:53] <vish> sense: * popey farts on identi.ca
[10:53] <vish> :D
[10:54] <sense> Do I want to know that? :P
[10:57] <popey> heh
[10:57] <popey> http://identi.ca/conversation/41931999#notice-42215994
[11:00] <AlanBell> my comment to that effect is waiting moderation
[11:01] <AlanBell> My understanding was that this was cockup rather than conspiracy. The RSS feed was supposed to be picking up posts tagged with Linux or Ubuntu or something and it wasn’t right and picked up a load of stuff relating to some legacy operating system.
[11:03] <sense> I haven't seen anything from Dell on the Planet lately, though.
[11:04] <AlanBell> there was a batch of posts that are now gone
[11:05] <nigelb> doctormo: lifeless
[11:05] <nigelb> (its his nickname.  Real name:  Robert Collins)
[11:06] <nigelb> jcastro: what the...
[11:07] <nigelb> popey: Much better to talk to folks than just go blog about it :/
[11:07] <popey> hey ho
[11:08] <nigelb> popey: anyway, was that something going wrong with planet?
[11:08] <nigelb> I don't think they would randomly use the planet tag
[11:08] <popey> we're looking into it
[11:08] <nigelb> :)
[11:08] <popey> in the meantime I disabled their feed at their request
[11:08]  * nigelb hugs popey :)
[11:08] <popey> *hugs*
[11:08] <nigelb> perhaps we should say that
[11:09] <popey> once we know what the problem is, we can certainly make it known
[11:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:25] <doctormo> sense: I saw things on the planet from Dell, they were from the Microsoft event, fawning all over it.
[11:26] <doctormo> ello czajkowski
[11:26] <sense> doctormo: Aw, painful.
[11:26] <sense> czajkowski: hello!
[11:27] <doctormo> sense: Interesting actually, because the blog is for their linux engineers. Did Dell send their linux people to a Microsoft event, or did dell just post interesting news through their Lin blog?
[11:28] <sense> doctormo: You should ask Alan Pope about that or read the backlog, I wouldn't know, really.
[11:30] <czajkowski> think it was just a rss cock up
[11:30] <czajkowski> happens at times
[11:30] <czajkowski> sense: blog post on uds has appeared at least 3 times since it was first published
[11:30] <sense> Yeah, that was because I stickied and unstickied it in WordPress.
[11:30] <sense> No idea why that would be enough for PlanetPlanet to repost it.
[11:31] <czajkowski> sense: happens happened to mdz last year on a few posts
[11:31] <czajkowski> and no blog posts or long conversations happened about it :)
[11:31] <doctormo> sense: Works on the modification date.
[11:32] <sense> It could use the modification date to look if the post was updated, but why not order it using the date published? :S
[11:32] <sense> That would make much more sense to me.
[11:36] <czajkowski> sense: that would make sense
[11:37] <sense> Yes it would!
[11:37] <doctormo> sense: That has been an outstanding bug from what I can gather.
[11:37] <sense> doctormo: I thought it was a 'Won't Fix' or an 'Opinion', is that right?
[11:37] <doctormo> czajkowski: What should I sketch today?
[11:38] <doctormo> sense: I didn't track it, I thought planet code was orphaned.
[11:38] <czajkowski> doctormo: eh?
[11:38] <sense> fun
[11:39] <doctormo> czajkowski: I do a simple 5 min sketch every day, I need an idea.
[11:39] <czajkowski> loco geeknics
[11:39] <czajkowski> global jam
[11:39] <AlanBell> Profile Roulette
[11:41] <czajkowski> profil;e of the day
[11:42] <sense> The Irish were first, remember! :)
[11:42] <doctormo> I think I'll do global jam, sounds fun, and fruity.
[11:42] <czajkowski> sense: i know
[11:42] <czajkowski> :)
[11:43] <sense> Yes, you do.
[11:45] <nigelb> debian and ubuntu cooperating ;) http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/ubuntu/2010/07/19
[11:45] <nigelb> I thought it would be interesting for us to have such a class.  Rhonda of course is using the opportunity to teach the the entire downstream
[11:46] <sense> nigelb: yay for that!
[11:50] <doctormo> czajkowski: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Sketch-2010-07-19-171881163
[11:51] <czajkowski> http://evand.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/the-home-stretch/  24% left folks help push it over
[11:52] <doctormo> czajkowski: I've no heard much reason on why stack overflow is a good site to have?
[11:52] <czajkowski> doctormo: very briefly as i've to leg it
[11:52] <czajkowski> but
[11:52] <czajkowski> it'd be good to have a presence on there as other groups do
[11:52] <czajkowski> some folks dont irc
[11:52] <czajkowski> forurms get long and messy adn hard to find the answer at least i do, that could be me of course
[11:53] <czajkowski> mailing list ramble rave and rant
[11:53] <czajkowski> and irc is good bt again not everyone uses it
[11:53] <czajkowski> launchpad q& a is useful and is used
[11:53]  * doctormo considers that perhaps that's because Ubuntu doesn't support irc on the desktop.
[11:53] <czajkowski> but some folks use SE so i think we shou;d be there to answer some of the questionns
[11:53] <nigelb> sense: if you could give a bit of advertisement (a blog post perhaps?)
[11:53] <nigelb> would be great :)
[11:54] <czajkowski> doctormo: thats my 2 cents and why i'm helping to promote it
[11:54] <sense> nigelb: I'll see what I can do for you!
[11:54] <czajkowski> i think it's a great idea
[11:54] <doctormo> czajkowski: Sounds like the right reasons, I hang around on vark to steer people much the same way.
[11:54] <czajkowski> but now i've to dash to a meeting to solve funding for an event
[11:54] <doctormo> bye!
[11:54] <czajkowski> doctormo: so you're a voval kinda guy ciyuld you please help
[11:54]  * nigelb hugs sense
[11:54] <nigelb> Thank you :)
[11:54] <sense> yw
[11:54] <czajkowski> we're 24% away and we've jumped from 40 to 70 % in a week
[11:54] <czajkowski> we just need a little more to go beta
[11:54] <czajkowski> please
[11:55] <doctormo> Alright
[11:55] <czajkowski> all of you in here are vocal and blog
[11:55] <doctormo> If it will make you happy
[11:55] <czajkowski> it will
[11:55] <czajkowski> but more so it'd make evan happy
[11:55] <czajkowski> tis his wee project
[11:55] <czajkowski> <---------------------poof gone
[11:57] <doctormo> I see Evan is second only to jcastro for referals.
[12:12] <doctormo> czajkowski: http://doctormo.org/2010/07/19/communities/ for when you get back.
[12:30] <nigelb> jcastro: is dholbach there too? or is he on leave today?
[12:30] <nigelb> jcastro: also its your turn for cleansweep stats this week!
[13:04] <sense> nigelb: ^^
[13:05] <nigelb> sense: thanks
[13:05] <nigelb> dholbach: poke
[13:05] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[13:05] <nigelb> dholbach: Rhonda wanted to know if we could arrange translations for the session thursday
[13:06] <nigelb> apparently people have asked for german :)
[13:06] <nigelb> how do we normally do it for open weeks/
[13:06] <dholbach> nigelb: what do you want translated?
[13:06] <nigelb> dholbach: the session
[13:06] <nigelb> "How to work with debian BTS"
[13:06] <dholbach> like live-translate?
[13:07] <dholbach> you can try it by blogging about it
[13:07] <dholbach> maybe you'll find someone to do it
[13:07] <nigelb> yeah, live translate
[13:07] <dholbach> I'm too busy right now, I'm afraid
[13:07] <nigelb> no, I wanted to know we usually did it
[13:08] <dholbach> I don't think there's a "usual" there
[13:08] <dholbach> we had people translate questions and answers
[13:08] <dholbach> but not whole sessions
[13:08] <dholbach> afaik
[13:10] <nigelb> ahh, ok, call for help then!
[13:10] <nigelb> dholbach: btw, you're in prague?
[13:10] <jcastro> ooh, my turn for cleansweep stats?
[13:10] <dholbach> nigelb: yes
[13:11] <dholbach> jcastro: http://daniel.holba.ch/review/report
[13:11] <nigelb> jcastro: yes, I was about ask dholbach to physically poke you if he were in prague :D
[13:13] <sense> Even if he isn't there driving to Prague should be doable for him! :P
[13:13] <sense> I mean, Germany lies next to Czech, so any German should be able to be in Prague within a few hours!
[13:14] <nigelb> sense: oooh.  I didn't think of that :D
[13:14] <nigelb> sense: they're probably sitting next to each other anyway
[13:23] <paultag> Ohhh, Germany
[13:24] <paultag> sense: I have always wanted to go to Prague :)
[13:24] <sense> It's a beautiful city. I've been there once.
[13:24] <sense> Certainly worth a sight-seeing tour.
[13:25] <paultag> sense: it was very closly tied with East Germany during post WWII communism
[13:25] <paultag> steeped in history :)
[13:25]  * nigelb hugs jcastro spontaneously ;)
[13:25] <sense> It was a very rich country until the WWII and the Cold War when the Germans and the Russians destroyed a lot, stole a lot of valuable items and wrecked the economy.
[13:26] <paultag> sense: they did that to east Germany as well, they took the infastructure that was standing and took it back to Russia
[13:26] <sense> yes
[13:26] <paultag> creative :)
[13:30] <sense> nigelb: Is the Debian BTS session already in the schedule at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom>?
[13:30] <sense> or isn't there any?
[13:32] <nigelb> sense: its on the schedule in classroom topic
[13:32] <sense> ok!
[13:46] <dholbach> dpm: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+publishinghistory
[14:11] <akgraner> Well I made it to Dallas - next stop will be Portland :-)  Woo Hoo!
[14:13] <nigelb> akgraner: w00t w00t
[14:13] <Pendulum> akgraner: yay! I hope the rest of the travel goes smoothly!
[14:14] <nigelb> akgraner: compared to UDS, it seems much calmer I think ;)
[14:14] <randa_> akgraner hi
[14:14] <akgraner> nigelb, yeppers
[14:14] <akgraner> randa_, HEY!! :-)  how are ya?
[14:14] <randa_> akgraner: are you going to OSCON?
[14:14] <akgraner> randa_, yeppers
[14:15] <akgraner> I'll be there all week
[14:15] <randa_> wow that's great my husband is there as well
[14:15] <akgraner> really?  tell him to come by the Linux Pro/Ubuntu user Booth
[14:15] <randa_> akgraner: i will. :)
[14:16] <akgraner> I'll be there most of the time on Wednesday and Thursday :-)
[14:16] <akgraner> I saw that Nick Levine and John Pugh will be there as well  - I talked to John but have yet to meet Nick
[14:17] <akgraner> randa_, John said he owes Pete beer and since Pete won't be there I told john I will accept them by proxy.... muahaha
[14:17] <randa_> akgraner: Nick Barcet yes
[14:18] <randa_> akgraner: haha
[14:18] <akgraner> randa_, I didn't see him on the list but it will be great to see him again as well  - that's cool..   are you in prague this week?
[14:20] <randa_> no akgraner Im in Millbank, michelle is now the ubuntu platform admin
[14:22] <akgraner> ahh that's right  - sorry :-/  wasn't thinking
[14:52] <akgraner> randa_, I meant Neil not Nick I am so terrible with names of people I haven't meet yet :-(
[14:53] <randa_> well nick barcet is def going, not sure about neil though
[14:53] <randa_> akgraner: ^^
[14:53] <akgraner> awesome!
[14:53]  * akgraner <3's OSCON
[14:53] <randa_> :)
[14:54] <akgraner> it seems like the Olympic Pool of Open Source developers, vendors, and users in the US  (well at least to me) :-/
[14:54]  * popey tries not to picture jfo in speedos
[14:55] <akgraner> popey, NOOOOO!   mental image I did not need! :-P
[14:55] <popey> :D
[14:55] <popey> ok, you can easily remove it by replacing with an image of RMS in speedos instead.
[14:55] <akgraner> sigh you are not helping I think I just threw up a little
[14:55] <popey> hah
[14:55] <randa_> hahah but JFo is in Prague akgraner
[14:56] <akgraner> randa_, I know  - but that mental image is still not a good one
[14:56]  * popey hugs the ubuntu community, speedos or not
[14:56] <akgraner> however I asked him to make sure he wears his overalls to UDS next time
[14:57] <akgraner> well gotta run  - next flight shortly  - laters
[14:57] <popey> o/
[14:57] <popey> akgraner: great UWN this week btw
[14:57] <randa_> hahaha
[15:12] <doctormo> popey: Your blog entry, isn't it basically saying what the MA LoCos official position has been for 2 years?
[15:13] <popey> is it?
[15:13] <doctormo> Anime Boston, PiCon3, PiCon4, NE Intel Gaming Party etc, etc, events of semi or non technical users who may or may not have heard of Ubuntu before.
[15:14] <popey> Many LoCos don't do that though
[15:14] <popey> it was copy/pasted from an Ubuntu-UK list mail, and the -uk loco certainly doesn't do any where near as much non-tech advocacy as you guys do
[15:14] <doctormo> In fact MA doesn't really consider internal geek events as advocacy, I think of them more as social events much like the Ubuntu Hour.
[15:14] <popey> we need to do more
[15:16] <doctormo> Surely thought the UK is split up into parts? A country with 60 million people should be doing more than a state of 6 million even if the area is 5th the size.
[15:17] <doctormo> Erm, 5 times the size*
[15:18] <doctormo> I say just squat the NEC until an event happens.
[15:19] <popey> in terms of loco there is two, "UK" and "Wales"
[15:19] <popey> theres not a loco per county
[15:19] <doctormo> No Scotland?
[15:19] <popey> no
[15:19] <popey> and Wales don't seem to be active
[15:20] <doctormo> How can you tell ;-)
[15:20] <popey> :)
[15:20] <popey> well, given they kicked the logging bot out of their channel..
[15:20] <popey> seems like more of a youth club than a loco IMO
[15:22] <doctormo> There is a better way to divide than by county of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England
[15:23] <doctormo> I remember I was going to meet the folk up in Liverpool until it got canceled because of the snow. So there must be people out there.
[15:23] <doctormo> Doing things
[15:24] <popey> we have lugs in pretty much every county
[15:24] <popey> its certainly something we could consider
[15:24] <doctormo> czajkowski: Woop, 10 referals to that stack exchange.
[15:25] <doctormo> popey: Depends on the lug I think, US-PA according to pleia2 was active with advocy, but Boston LUG is just a social group for old unix nerds.
[15:25] <popey> yeah, lugs in the UK are very diverse
[15:25] <popey> my local two are quite active
[15:26] <popey> others are moribund
[15:26] <doctormo> The home of LUG Radio and a bunch of other things.
[15:27] <popey> yeah. lugradio from wolves lug which used to be a very social lug
[15:27] <popey> they would go for curry each week
[15:34] <Pendulum> doctormo: btw, I should have a vehicle by the time of PiCon so should be able to help transport stuff down here if needed
[16:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:21] <doctormo> Pendulum: sounds great
[16:23] <doctormo> Pendulum: I think Johnathon is confirmed so I should have transport from Boston... we'll organise it.
[18:43] <czajkowski> nigelb: tis not funny
[19:49] <pleia2> doctormo: btw, I was a bit unsure about the officialness of the mouse-in-circle for the xubuntu logo, I just spoke with charlie-tca and got him to confirm that it is (the team never *actually* came to a formal decision, but he's the leader right now and Made It So, will update xubuntu artwork pages to reflect)
[19:50] <doctormo> pleia2: ah, apologise to him for me forcing his hand, it sounds like that is what I did.
[19:50] <pleia2> not at all, a formal decision needed to be nudged into place
[19:50] <pleia2> everyone is happy :)
[19:51] <pleia2> I got my mouse, they have a shiny SVG to distribute
[20:11] <doctormo> pleia2: Nice, like my dragon?
[20:12] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, that rocks :)
[20:15] <AlanBell> doctormo: do you have a commissioning price list?
[20:19] <doctormo> AlanBell: Sure, depends on the work, the licensing, the use and the person. Artwork is very fluid so it's hard to pin an exact price. normally the amount you want to spend comes first and then the amount of work follows.
[20:22] <jussi> tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow!!!
[20:22] <jussi> :D
[20:23] <AlanBell> picture of a walking bus, CC-BY-SA, http://polys.stroll2school.com (and for other schools we can sell it to), not sure how much we want to spend
[20:24] <AlanBell> doing it as a freebie for my kids school, but it seems like a repeatable thing that could be done commercially
[20:45] <doctormo> AlanBell: ping
[21:15] <doctormo> pleia2: Did the classroom planet icon pass inspection?
[21:15] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I think so, following-up with that is on my todo list (we're using it for identi.ca and twitter too)
[23:52] <pleia2> doctormo: thanks again for that inkscape demo at UDS, I probably didn't retain much from the actual demo itself, but it clued me in to the fact that it was great and usable and now, in spite of general artistic uselessness, I can *manipulate* SVGs with some skill these days :)
[23:52] <pleia2> and now we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick \o/
[23:53] <doctormo> pleia2: Lovely, between you and paultag you seem to be running the lighter distros :-D
[23:53] <pleia2> yeah, coming from debian+xfce, xubuntu was always my thing
[23:53] <pleia2> I really tried to use gnome


[11:15] <stub> lifeless: Right. I was copying from juju...
[11:29] <lifeless> stub: juju's client specifically, I imagine?
[11:38] <stub> lifeless: yeah, was wondering how to stuff in settings and it is the other tool I use that needs to talk to openstack stuff.
[11:40] <stub> 'cause I didn't want to create yet more config files in Launchpad or put secrets in the existing ones.
[11:47] <lifeless> stub: well we have secrets in the existing ones already
[11:48] <lifeless> stub: so I would just do that, and solve that existing problem another time.
[22:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: What happens in the case that a reset doesn't fix the builder?
[22:55] <wgrant> Ideally it'd fail eventually, but I'm not sure that's implemented atm.
[22:56] <wgrant> Trying to work out in which cases the new behaviour is worse than the current one.


[00:42] <bryceh> jeez, mterri gave me a loose strand of yarn from a sweater...
[04:47] <pitti> Good morning
[04:48] <pitti> robert_ancell: FYI, #u-release wanted an FFE bug for your lightdm upload; it looks good otherwise
[04:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: pong
[04:48] <robert_ancell> pitti, ah, ok
[04:48] <pitti> Laney: it already indicates if there are third-party packages installed
[04:48] <pitti> not third-party sources, though, I believe
[05:22] <didrocks> good morning
[05:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:22]  * BigWhale opens one eye.
[05:22] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[05:22] <BigWhale> Morning.
[05:22] <didrocks> morning BigWhale
[05:27] <didrocks> and a first kernel panic of the day
[05:30] <rickspencer3> didrocks, kernel panic? what are you doing?
[05:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: nothing, it's happening to me approximately every 2 days when my disk is writing a lot
[05:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I pinged apw, but as I have no info on disk after reboot…
[06:48] <RAOF> didrocks: Boo.  That's the one on your nvidia machine, then?
[06:48] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah
[06:49] <tjaalton> could be related to the latest update, which upstream admits is buggy
[06:49] <tjaalton> nvidia blob update that is
[06:49] <RAOF> Nah; this has been going on for quite some time, right didrocks?
[06:49] <didrocks> ah? I get it for the past month and half approx, does it make sense?
[06:49] <tjaalton> oh ok, then it's not that
[06:52] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks did those last unity regressions get sorted to your satisfaction?
[06:53] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it did for me indeed. There are some other perf issues that have a fix pending, but it's only when the dash is opened. The safer at this stage is a SRU IMHO. I plan to get every fixes merges for next Thursday, to push in -proposed by then
[07:01] <rickspencer3> didrocks, thanks for the update
[07:01] <didrocks> yw :)
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:40] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson, everyone: g'mornin'
[07:40] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:40] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson, Sweetshark
[07:41] <Sweetshark> pitti: bug 984942 is evil.
[07:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984942 in libreoffice "LO help appears partially untranslated (dup-of: 957589)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984942
[07:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 957589 in libreoffice "LibreOffice ignores localized help" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957589
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> hey Sweetshark, pitti, didrocks
[07:46] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm thinking about tackling a 5-digit bug today!
[07:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: go!
[07:47] <pitti> Sweetshark: urgh, didn't we have a similar issue in Calc the other day?
[07:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: is the corresponding libo-help-XX actually installed?
[07:48] <pitti> Gabor confirmed, I think he checked that
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: it only happens when you have libo-help-en-US installed too. If you uninstall -en-US it works fine.
[07:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: I suspect it to be a secret plot by the french in this channel to break the english monopoly.
[07:54] <didrocks> damned, we have to do something else now :)
[08:05] <didrocks> jibel: hey, is jenkins down? :)
[08:05] <didrocks> ah no, it's up again, I think the 404 error was either in my cache from yesterday or a hickup
[08:12] <seb128> hey
[08:18]  * pitti hugs seb128
[08:19]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:19] <seb128> pitti, how are you?
[08:19] <dupondje> please join a private chan for this ... :)
[08:20] <seb128> heh
[08:20] <pitti> seb128: quite fine, thanks; feeling my muscles from TKD training :)
[08:21] <pitti> today I'm glad to have a desk job
[08:21] <seb128> hehe, I guess it's a good thing, some exercice ;-)
[08:21] <seb128> was tkd intense yesterday?
[08:21] <pitti> yeah, quite
[08:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, I just used another login account on my system, when I came back to this account, my trackpad was not working
[08:27] <rickspencer3> trackpad works in lightdm and in guest session, though
[08:28] <rickspencer3> I plugging in a mouse, also works
[08:28] <rickspencer3> pitti, any suggestions on how to get debug info?
[08:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, it was working before changing ussers?
[08:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey btw ;-)
[08:29] <rickspencer3> hi seb128 ;)
[08:29] <rickspencer3> yes, it wasw working before changing users
[08:29] <rickspencer3> seb128, oh, the buttons work, just not the pointing
[08:29] <pitti> rickspencer3: do you see it in "xinput"?
[08:29] <pitti> ah, you would then, if the buttons work
[08:30] <RAOF> rickspencer3: “synclient -l” lists a bunch of potentially interesting info.
[08:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: hm, I'm afraid I have no off-hand idea; I don't know how input devices work at that level
[08:30] <pitti> ... but RAOF would! ;-)
[08:30]  * RAOF wonders why his TouchpadOff variable is 2
[08:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: a low-level test whether the kernel sees events is:
[08:31] <rickspencer3> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/936598/
[08:31] <pitti> check /dev/input/by-id/ for which event number your touchpad is
[08:31] <pitti> and then run sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX
[08:31] <pitti> (with replacing X)
[08:32] <pitti> and then move the touchpad and see whether you get some output
[08:32] <pitti> I get tons of "(no scan code received)  key code: reserved" with each movement here
[08:32] <rickspencer3> pitti, how do I find the "id" of the touchpad?
[08:33] <rickspencer3> or just use tab?
[08:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: as I said, you need to look into /dev/input/by-id/ and guess
[08:33] <pitti> oh, the touchpad might not be there, hang on
[08:33] <RAOF> rickspencer3: You can use “xinput list” to find the id of your trackpad, then “xinput list-props $ID” to list the properties of it; one of which will be it's /dev/input/event? node.
[08:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: udevadm info --export-db | grep -B3 ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD
[08:34] <pitti> if that e. g. says DEVNAME=/dev/input/event11
[08:34] <pitti> then use "keymap -i input/event11"
[08:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: if you press buttons, you should see "scan code: 0x90001   key code: 110"
[08:35] <pitti> and if you move mouse, "no scan code received"
[08:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, is "keymap" a program name?
[08:36] <pitti> "and then run sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX"
[08:36] <pitti> sorry for abbreviating
[08:37] <rickspencer3> pitti, I assume this means I should be using event6 ?
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: DEVPATH=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6/event6
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: ID_INPUT=1
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: ID_INPUT.tags=inspiron_1011
[08:37] <rickspencer3> E: ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD=1
[08:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: correct
[08:37] <pitti> sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/event6
[08:38] <rickspencer3> pitti, ok, it's not registering any events, though the buttons are working
[08:38] <pitti> rickspencer3: not even for buttons?
[08:38] <rickspencer3> so, I presume the buttons are separate from the trackpad
[08:38] <pitti> that's weird
[08:39] <RAOF> rickspencer3: What does ‘xinput list-props $ID’ (with ID gathered from xinput list) show?
[08:40] <rickspencer3> weird, I tried all the #s from 1 and the buttons never showed up
[08:42] <rickspencer3> RAOF, sorry, I'm not sure where you want me to find $ID
[08:42] <RAOF> run ‘xinput list’, that'll spit out a list of all the input devices X thinks you have, and their IDs as seen by X.
[08:43] <RAOF> For example, http://paste2.org/p/1985724 is mine.
[08:43] <RAOF> And my trackpad has ID 12.
[08:43] <RAOF> (I could also use “SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad” as the ID, but the number is substantially easier to get past the shell ☺)
[08:43] <rickspencer3> RAOF, ok, there is a lot of output, hold on
[08:43] <Laney> pitti: Could you take a look at bug #968845 quickly please and see if you think it'd be appropriate to add a quirk to pm-utils for it?
[08:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 968845 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "bcm5974 touchpad doesn't work after S3 on MacBookAir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968845
[08:44] <RAOF> Laney: Didn't that get fixed in the xserver yet?
[08:44] <rickspencer3> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/936607/
[08:44] <RAOF> Laney: Ah, sorry.  Wrong context :)
[08:44] <Laney> nein :P
[08:47] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Hm.  Nothing seems suspicious there.
[08:48]  * rickspencer3 ponders
[08:48] <rickspencer3> RAOF, well, I have that info saved
[08:48] <rickspencer3> I haven't updated in days
[08:48] <rickspencer3> I'll see if I can make a reproducer for this
[08:48] <rickspencer3> if so, I'll log a bug and subscribe you
[08:48] <RAOF> Thanks.
[08:48] <rickspencer3> otherwise, I'll assume this all happened in a dream
[08:51] <pitti> Laney: if it's confirmed to work (i. e. the module or X.org don't act up on module removal/readdition), it sounds fine to me
[08:51] <pitti> Laney: but it should have a proper upstream kernel bug report, as it's just a workaround
[08:51] <Laney> well, they 'act up' in that some options are reset
[08:51] <Laney> i.e. horizontal scrolling
[08:52] <Laney> but it's better than the alternative which is the primary button being pressed all of the time
[08:52] <Laney> I'm hoping Chase will handle a proper fix at some point :-)
[08:54] <RAOF> I'm not sure, but that might be a part of his input fixes on the xorg mailing list at the moment.
[08:54] <bryceh> rickspencer3, MacbookPro?
[08:55] <rickspencer3> bryceh, dell mini 10v
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> nice: https://twitter.com/#!/hsivonen/status/192898790078943232 :)
[08:59] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I don't think you're alone, we've had other similar reports (usually correlated to S3 rather than logout/login).  Most reports are MacBookPro.
[08:59] <rickspencer3> bryceh, hmmm, sounds kernelly
[08:59] <rickspencer3> ^incisive technical analysis
[08:59] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ok, I'll work on seeing if I can make a reproducer
[08:59] <rickspencer3> bryceh, and data I can get you while I still have the issue?
[08:59] <RAOF> But it's only *your* user where it's broken, right?
[09:00] <mpt> cyphermox, you're the person to ask about NetworkManager, right?
[09:00] <RAOF> I think bryceh is talking about bug #968845 which Laney brought up.
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 968845 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "bcm5974 touchpad doesn't work after S3 on MacBookAir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968845
[09:00] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I've seen the symptom after s3 on one dell laptop but not my 10v
[09:01] <bryceh> rickspencer3, dmesg and lsmod, although I am doubtful either provide any useful data.
[09:03] <rickspencer3> bryceh, this looks like the last mention of my touchpad in dmesg
[09:03] <rickspencer3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/936623/
[09:08] <bryceh> yeah, no error messages.  you're probably right that it's a kernel bug.  a bisection search might be called for.
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: nice response in bug 983254
[09:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 983254 in nux "Unity use ibus explicitly, make it impossible to use other input method" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/983254
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: but I have the feeling there's little point in trying to further it..
[09:08] <bryceh> nite
[09:08] <pitti> bryceh: sleep well
[09:09] <didrocks> pitti: thanks! yeah, I agree this won't change anything now on. Hence that's why I told that I made my point and will stop on it :)
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, happy friday! ;-)
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't dare making that joke, but as you do it! Happy Friday! :)
[09:20] <seb128> ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> didrocks, you have some way before using that joke as much as I did in the easter week :p
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, indeed, I'm in debt ;)
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, btw mhr3 blames part of the dash opening slowness on you :p
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, seems the slowest part for the app lens is gnome-menus reading .desktop files
[09:24] <mhr3> yep, it's like 300ms on a warm system, i dont even want to know how much is it for cold start
[09:24] <seb128> on you or on vuntz ;-)
[09:26] <didrocks> that's probably why with all my read issues on my hd, it's really aweful
[09:26] <didrocks> I don't remember, vuntz didn't like the one file trigger idea, isn't it?
[09:26] <seb128> I'm not sure now
[09:26] <didrocks> should we add back a work item for next cycle to reapply what pitti did on the new gnome-menus?
[09:26] <seb128> he didn't like the keyfile based file
[09:27] <seb128> it was supposed to be redone with gvariant iirc
[09:27] <didrocks> hum, that would work, mapping it
[09:27] <pitti> didrocks: s/reapply/rework from scratch/, the old approach doesn't work any more
[09:27] <pitti> and not in python-gmenu
[09:27] <didrocks> pitti: oh, is it that different?
[09:27] <seb128> but from the gnome-menus changelog we dropped the patch because it didn't apply with the GNOME3 refactoring
[09:27] <seb128> and we judged by then that without menus it was "less useful"
[09:28] <pitti> it remains to be seen whether a gvariant is really that much faster than reading a text file, but the implementation doesn't matter much I guess
[09:28] <seb128> right
[09:28] <seb128> I don't remember now if vuntz said that would work well with the new gnome-menus for some reason
[09:28] <seb128> or if that's just that the patch needed to be refactored
[09:30] <vuntz> seb128: the patch would have to live in glib/gio now
[09:31] <seb128> vuntz, oh, dropping it on desrt! I see ;-)
[09:31] <vuntz> seb128: since gnome-menus now just does "g_desktop_app_info_new_from_filename (path)"  (more or less)
[09:31] <vuntz> (and then rely on the GDesktopAppInfo API)
[09:31] <seb128> ok, that was probably the reason we dropped it rather than trying to "port it", I didn't remember the details
[09:31] <seb128> that's a bit tricky :-(
[09:33] <seb128> vuntz, hey btw, how are you? ;-)
[09:33] <vuntz> good!
[09:33] <vuntz> I just had some early lunch (I missed breakfast), so now  things are nearly perfect ;-)
[09:33] <vuntz> how are things in germany? :-)
[09:35] <seb128> vuntz, you mean in alsace?
[09:35] <seb128> good ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> I had a late breakfast rather than an early lunch :p
[09:40] <vuntz> late breakfast is a good approach too :-)
[09:43] <Sweetshark> seb128: could you forward me your mail to ubuntu-desktop about libreoffice integration tests, so that I can reply to directly (I am subscribed digest only)?
[09:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, I can try, I'm not sure thunderbird do proper "bouncing", if that doesn't work you might want to try pitti, I'm sure mutt does ;-)
[09:46] <pitti> yes, can do
[09:46] <pitti> Sweetshark: you have it
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:55] <kenvandine> good morning all!
[10:00] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, it's a middle of night ken!
[10:00] <seb128> kenvandine, having sleeping troubles?
[10:00] <kenvandine> nah, just getting a couple hours of work in before the kids get up :)
[10:01] <seb128> kenvandine, isn't like 6am for you?
[10:01] <seb128> kenvandine, what a brave man ;-)
[10:01] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks for getting the datetime fix in!
[10:01] <kenvandine> seb128, thx for testing it!
[10:02] <didrocks> hey kenvandine, you should grab a coffee :)
[10:03] <kenvandine> didrocks, on my second cup :)
[10:03] <didrocks> heh ;)
[10:25] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: thanks a lot
[10:39] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks I was just about to go to bed when I saw this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/985539
[10:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985539 in unity "Awkward graphic glitches in Compiz" [Undecided,New]
[10:39] <didrocks> looking
[10:40] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: you saw it, you mean, you reproduce the issue?
[10:40] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: no, sorry, saw the bug report
[10:40] <didrocks> or just saw the bug?
[10:40] <jasoncwarner_> yeah
[10:40] <jasoncwarner_> wasn't sure if real or if others were seeing for some reason...
[10:41] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: well, we didn't hear anything like that lately, so it seems to be an isolated issue.
[10:41] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: we can still poke the opengl guys on it
[10:41] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: that is what I was hoping for
[10:41] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: but at least, it's not a widespread issue
[10:41] <jasoncwarner_> (both of those, thanks)
[10:41] <jasoncwarner_> yes, good.. :)
[10:41] <didrocks> you can go to bed :)
[10:42] <kklimonda> seb128: wrt bug 951000 it seems to be some weird issue with apparmor - there are a lot of appamor messages in dmesg when I login as guest.. unfortunately by disabling apparmor *once* I've apparently fixed the issue and now I can't debug it any further :(
[10:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 951000 in lightdm "disable guest session screen lock using gsettings" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951000
[10:43] <kklimonda> dbus-daemon gets a lot of denied_mask="r" on /proc/[pid]/cmdline
[10:44] <seb128> kklimonda, weird
[10:44] <seb128> kklimonda, did you try to reboot to see if it still happens after restart?
[10:44] <kklimonda> seb128: yeah, it doesn't
[10:44] <seb128> ok, weird, I guess you can close the bug
[10:44] <seb128> not a lot we can do if it stopped happening
[10:45] <kklimonda> seb128: it's like disabling apparmor let lightdm write something somewhere which has fixed the issue
[10:45] <seb128> I will try on a new install later today when I do iso testing
[10:45] <kklimonda> unfortunately there is nothing in the audit.. really weird
[10:45] <kklimonda> (nothing that would suggest that apparmor is denying writing to files)
[10:47] <kklimonda> seb128: actually now that I checked "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled" returns true but the "lock session" menu entry is gone, ctrl+alt+L doesn't work and the related "Lock & Brightness" options are disabled..
[10:48] <kklimonda> switching between guest and "user" session doesn't look the screen so it seems to be working fine
[10:48] <kklimonda> lock*
[10:49] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, hey, still around? I heard something about a new sound theme earlier this cycle, did anything come of that?
[10:50] <seb128> rickspencer3, I can reply to that if you want ;-)
[10:50] <rickspencer3> seb128, yes please
[10:50] <rickspencer3> ;)
[10:51] <seb128> rickspencer3, it was too late for precise
[10:54] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128
[12:23] <didrocks> hum thunder and rain, I'm sure it's seb128's fault :)
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, no rain here! ;-)
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: see, your fault, you send it to me! :)
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, I like to share!
[12:24] <didrocks> yeah, sometimes you can keep that for you :p
[12:24] <seb128> ;-)
[13:02] <seb128> does anyone know about at-spi-bus-launcher and what it's useful for?
[13:07] <seb128> ok
[13:08] <seb128> dunno about at-spi but I opened bug #985640 and assigned to TheMuso
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985640 in unity-greeter "use wrong path for at-spi-bus-launcher command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985640
[14:15] <cyphermox> mpt: yes, I'm the perso to ask about NetworkManager, how can I help you?
[14:16] <mpt> :-)
[14:17] <mpt> cyphermox, did awe ask you about WEP recently?
[14:17] <cyphermox> he asked about WEP passphrases or something like that
[14:17] <cyphermox> or do you mean WPS?
[14:17] <mpt> WEP passphrases, yes
[14:18] <cyphermox> that should work fine
[14:18] <cyphermox> it's a little weird looking though
[14:19] <cyphermox> I think the problem lies in the detection of what a user might want to fill in based on the configuration of the AP, I think in all cases it turns out asking you to enter a WEP hex key, rather than a passphrase when you could enter the passphrase; but both are available in UI
[14:20] <cyphermox> mpt: unfortunately I don't have a spare AP here in the office but I can muck with this some more later tonight
[14:20] <cyphermox> I opted to not bring a wireless router today ;)
[14:21] <cyphermox> nevermind that, there was one in the lab
[14:21] <mpt> cyphermox, ok, if he asked about it then I don't need to :-)
[14:24] <cyphermox> mpt: that weird WEP thing I noticed a few weeks ago, it's my mistake to not think more about it and file a bug, but I was helping a friend fix her wifi :)
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, bug 945987 sucks :(
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 945987 in rhythmbox "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945987
[14:33] <cyphermox> mpt: right, the detection is probably broken, but creating the wifi network manually works. just tested here and I can totally reproduce that issue
[14:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, ronoc is looking at it
[14:53] <ronoc> seb128, the line input bug or the encoding profile  ?
[14:53] <ronoc> well i'm on both today
[14:56] <seb128> ronoc, the profile one
[14:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how did you notice?
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i just tried ripping a CD with rhythmbox ;)
[14:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like do you do encoding? or did that got some user ranting on forums or twitter?
[14:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, ok
[15:34] <seb128> so bug #973491 wth
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973491 in nautilus "nautilus popup menu highlighting using copy and paste incorrect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973491
[15:35] <seb128> does anyone has a clue what component could be buggy there?
[15:36] <seb128> nautilus context menu items like "paste" are sometime displayed as unactive but yet still active, if they are rendered as unactive but you can select them and they work
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, desrt, mterry: ^ any clue?
[15:36] <seb128> same happen without appmenu, ie unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY
[15:36] <kenvandine> humm
[15:37] <seb128> demo on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/100170099/nautilus_bug.ogv
[15:37] <mterry> seb128, maybe an issue with the new 'unfocused window' support in compiz/light-themes?
[15:37] <mterry> but that would be the whole popup
[15:37] <mterry> not just one item
[15:38] <seb128> right, I somewhat doubt it
[15:38] <seb128> the first report is also from february and I think that compiz,theme change landed after that
[15:38] <seb128> let me check the timing
[15:38] <kenvandine> it was late
[15:38] <kenvandine> so it looks like the new window getting focus after having the copy in the clipboard works
[15:39] <bdrung> hi, some indicators crashed with an update. can someone tell me how to launch them again?
[15:39] <mterry> Seems like theme has to be involved somewhere though...  nautilus isn't doing custom popup drawing.  (is it?!)
[15:39] <kenvandine> so maybe it is a signal getting lost
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, well, the menu is active, you can select it
[15:39] <seb128> mterry, I'm not sure...
[15:39] <kenvandine> seb128, try changing the theme
[15:39] <seb128> bdrung, unity? which indicators?
[15:40] <kenvandine> or without compiz
[15:40] <kenvandine> to rule those out
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, one report says it happens with unity2d
[15:40] <bdrung> seb128: unity + compiz. the indicators for messages and system
[15:40] <seb128> bdrung, try restarting unity-panel-service
[15:40] <seb128> but it's weird, they should autoreload on issues
[15:41] <kenvandine> i just reproduced it with adwaita
[15:41] <mterry> I don't get the paste bug myself.  :-/
[15:41] <mterry> kenvandine, nice
[15:41] <seb128> mterry, I get it every second try
[15:41] <seb128> nautilus --quit and do what is on the video is enough for me
[15:42] <bdrung> seb128: http://paste.debian.net/163824/
[15:42] <seb128> 933744 states "this seems to happen on occasion in both unity (3d) & unity-2d"
[15:42] <seb128> bdrung, is it one running?
[15:42] <seb128> "(unity-panel-service:4640): Indicator-Appmenu-CRITICAL **: Unable to claim the name com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar"
[15:42] <seb128> suggests there is
[15:43] <bdrung> yes, it's running, but killall told me it's not.
[15:43] <mterry> Nope, quiting nautilus doesn't give it to me...
[15:43] <seb128> bdrung, kill -9 id
[15:44] <ogra_> or pkill
[15:44] <bdrung> yes, kill -9 helped. it automatically relaunched it.
[15:44] <bdrung> thanks. all indicators are back.
[15:44] <seb128> cool
[15:45] <kenvandine> i reproduced it in unity 2d as well
[15:45] <kenvandine> so not theme or compiz
[15:45] <seb128> mterry, I need to open the context menu first
[15:45]  * kenvandine has to head out to lunch now, i get to have lunch with my son today :)
[15:45] <kenvandine> bbl
[15:45] <seb128> mterry, like nautilus; click on an empty part of the background to open the menu, then right click on an icon, copy, and try to paste
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, have fun, ttyl ;-)
[15:46] <mterry> seb128, yup, did that several times
[15:46] <seb128> mterry, ok, you got lucky then :p or it's a timing thing ...
[15:46] <mterry> oh
[15:46] <mterry> wait
[15:46] <mterry> i didn't do the pointless right click on empty first
[15:46] <mterry> I always went straight for the copy
[15:46] <seb128> mterry, that's the key part!
[15:46] <seb128> ;-)
[15:46] <mterry> doh
[15:47] <mterry> yeah...
[15:47] <mterry> like the first context menu is 'locking in' the gray status for paste or something
[15:47] <mterry> I wonder if nautilus does do custom menu items
[15:47]  * seb128 does a build from upstream tarball without patch
[15:48] <seb128> mterry, what do you mean "custom menu items"?
[15:48] <seb128> they use gtkuimanager I think
[15:48] <mterry> seb128, bummer.  Like if they used menu items that had custom draw methods or something
[15:48] <seb128> I doubt it
[15:49]  * mterry never underestimates the nautilus developers' love of writing code
[15:50] <seb128> it happens with the upstream tarball
[15:50] <seb128> so not a local patch
[15:50] <mterry> rickspencer3, didrocks: quickly minus pygame just landed in precise
[15:50] <didrocks> mterry: awesome \o/
[15:50] <rickspencer3> mterry, does this mean I can uninstall desktopcouch now?
[15:50] <mterry> rickspencer3, quickly doesn't need it anymore, yeah
[15:51] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[15:51] <rickspencer3> thanks mterry
[15:51] <rickspencer3> I still think my pygame sprite library is pretty sweet
[15:51] <rickspencer3> I'll put it in another package
[15:51] <rickspencer3> and it can continue to get zero usage from there
[15:51]  * mterry pats rickspencer3 on the back
[16:08] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry: nothing like pinging upstream ;-) cosimoc has the issue on fedora and thinks it might be
[16:08] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672046
[16:08] <ubot2> Gnome bug 672046 in GtkStyleContext "Text-shadow in breadcrumbs needs attention" [Minor,New]
[16:09] <mterry> seb128, nice
[17:16] <didrocks> see you guys, have a good Friday and week-end! (tomorrow is off for me)
[17:18] <pitti> godo nighth everyone
[17:18] <pitti> (erk typing)
[17:21] <seb128> pitti, iz beer'o'clock?
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> you don't need to realize a widget in gtk3 for it to have a GtkStyleContext, do you?
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good question for #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what are you looking at?
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's ok. i think i figured it out already
[17:37] <seb128> ok
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> i'm reviewing the theme integration part of the gtk3 port of firefox
[17:38] <kenvandine> yay... gtk3 port of firefox!
[17:38] <seb128> \o/
[17:38] <seb128> when does it land? :p
[17:38]  * kenvandine leaks to omg
[17:38] <kenvandine> wait 3 minutes for them to post an article :)
[17:39] <seb128> kenvandine, he said we would have firefox on gtk3 in precise right? ;-)
[17:39] <kenvandine> that is what i told omg
[17:39] <kenvandine> :-p
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> it's nothing to get excited about ;)
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> the patches have been there on bugzilla for ages now, and i've been assigned reviews to some of them for quite a while now
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> just taking the opportunity to clear those :)
[17:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, that means you clear backlog, soon you will look at g-s-d start time issues ;-)
[17:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't forget to email the desktop list about your chromium by default topic for UDS ;-)
[17:44] <kenvandine> which will get ported to gtk3 first... firefox or chromium
[17:44] <kenvandine> it's a race!
[17:46]  * kenvandine is actually kind of liking epiphany again, epiphany by default!
[17:47] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm waiting for somebody to suggest midori now
[17:47] <seb128> ;-)
[17:47] <kenvandine> :-D
[17:49] <cyphermox> well, of course we should be using midori by default
[17:49] <seb128> see!
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, hey ;-) how are you?
[17:50] <cyphermox> not too bad
[17:50] <cyphermox> and you?
[17:50] <kenvandine> lynx!
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm good thanks
[17:50] <kenvandine> the security team would love that
[17:50] <kenvandine> :)
[17:50] <cyphermox> I think we should switch default browsers every release to really make the security team love us
[17:51] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:52] <dobey> athena ftw
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it won't be chromium. they're dropping gtk entirely ;)
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> and moving to their new aura toolkit across all platforms
[17:54] <cyphermox> I'm keeping suggesting w3m as default browser for the W release
[17:57] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, ugh... lets make it look more foreign
[18:09] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: so they can be as poorly integrated with Linux as Firefox? ;)
[18:13] <jbicha> epiphany-browser ftw
[18:13] <jbicha> lol
[18:14] <jbicha> or just use epiphany
[18:15] <kenvandine> jbicha, i just realized, as annoying as it is to have the name clash, i've never actually even looked at what epiphany is
[18:15] <kenvandine> just bitch and moan about having to install epiphany-browser
[18:15] <kenvandine> oh, that is chromium isn't it?
[18:15] <kklimonda> kenvandine: a boulder dash clone ;)
[18:16] <kklimonda> which I've discovered by installing it by accident - probably the way everyone else does ;)
[18:18] <dobey> chrisccoulson: so chrome then. clearly we need another widget set in the default install.
[18:18] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah, we don't have enough yet
[18:18] <kklimonda> *sighs*
[18:19] <jbicha> can't we just use a Dash lens to browse the web?
[18:19]  * dobey ports ubuntuone to fltk
[18:22] <kklimonda> dobey: you've already portet it to Qt, stop the madness before it's too late ;)
[18:26] <bcurtiswx> oh thunderbird why must you lie to me and show 2 unanswered emails when I'm pretty sure i've read them all :(
[18:28] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, is that for a gmail account?
[18:28] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, IDK it just shows 2 on the unity dock icon nothing in the app itself though
[18:28] <kenvandine> i think that is a gmail problem... i can't ever have zero unread messages in my gmail, even in the web ui
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> the web UI shows 0 for me..
[18:29] <kenvandine> if i mark all as read, gmail still says there are 2 unread
[18:29] <kenvandine> been that way for years
[18:29] <kenvandine> drives me nuts
[18:29] <kenvandine> and if you filter on unread it finds none
[18:29] <kenvandine> that is probably chrisccoulson's fault then :)
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> so I should hire a team of people with pitchforms and firesticks to march towards his home?
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> pitchforks*
[18:30] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, you would get pretty wet
[18:30] <kenvandine> :)
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, ferry's aren't _THAT_ expensive...
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> OK, gotta head out then bowling later, nite all
[18:32] <kenvandine> later
[18:32] <kenvandine> have fun
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> dobey, you don't want another widget set in the default install? everybody loves chrome, don't they? ;)
[19:13] <dobey> chrisccoulson: i'm trying to diversify our profile. i'll make sure we use at least 5 in u1 for 12.10 :)
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> mmm, beer
[19:50] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i'll have a tasty one tonight in your honor :)
[20:02] <Ursinha> hey guys, I was wondering if I was on crack when I saw some unity configuration options in All Settings->Appearance
[20:03] <kenvandine> Ursinha, not on crack :)
[20:03] <Ursinha> because I can't see it anymore
[20:03] <Ursinha> maybe I'm on crack now? :)
[20:03] <kenvandine> i still see them
[20:04] <Ursinha> hm
[20:04] <kenvandine> bottom of the panel on the "Look" tab there is launcher icon size
[20:04] <kenvandine> a slider
[20:04] <kenvandine> and on the "Behavior" tab
[20:04] <kenvandine> there is autohide
[20:04] <Ursinha> that on Appearance, right?
[20:04] <kenvandine> yes
[20:05] <kenvandine> not seeing that?
[20:05] <Ursinha> no
[20:05] <Ursinha> I saw that when I installed
[20:05] <Ursinha> but now -- after a couple of unity --replace s -- it's not there anymore
[20:05] <kenvandine> odd
[20:06] <kenvandine> maybe those are only displayed when you are running unity and it doesn't realize you are running unity now?
[20:06] <kenvandine> Ursinha, try a logout and back in and see
[20:06] <kenvandine> could be a bug there
[20:06] <Ursinha> yes, I think it's a bug
[20:07] <Ursinha> will do that, a moment
[20:07] <kenvandine> i guess it would make sense for them to only be displayed in unity, so it must be that
[20:08] <Ursinha> kenvandine, there you go, logged in with another user and a fresh logged unity displayed the options there
[20:08] <Ursinha> but once I unity --replace, it's still unity, right?
[20:09] <kenvandine> Ursinha, i would think it should be
[20:09] <kenvandine> i just confirmed it isn't there in a gnome classic session
[20:09] <Ursinha> I'll file a bug
[20:09] <Ursinha> right
[20:09] <kenvandine> and the launcher size slider isn't there in unity-2d
[20:09] <Ursinha> I'll file a bug then
[20:09] <kenvandine> thx
[20:09] <Ursinha> thanks for your help kenvandine !
[20:09] <kenvandine> np
[20:10] <kenvandine> thx for finding bugs!
[20:10] <Ursinha> :)


[18:00] <wxl> hey folks how does one add factoids to ubottu? i'd like to include one for the membership board like there is for the loco council
[18:00] <k1l> you can propose them here and an admin will include them. or you get a ubottu account and can set them on you own
[18:01] <wxl> ok, well then i propose the following:
[18:05] <wxl> add factoid !membershipboard (like !lococouncil):  The Membership Board is ahoneybun, popey, hggdh, cwayne18, elacheche, IdleOne, iulian, jcastro, marcoceppi, Kilos, rickspencer3, s-fox, and toddy - they are here to help, just ask! :) You can also send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:06] <wxl> k1l: although, how do i get an ubottu account?
[18:06] <wxl> the usage guide for ubottu is currently 404
[18:06] <k1l> Pici: and Unit193 manage the bots, afaik
[18:08] <Pici> wxl: Are they okay with a factoid being added that will ping all of them?
[18:08] <wxl> add factoid !membershipboard (like !lococouncil):  The Membership Board is ahoneybun, popey, hggdh, cwayne18, elacheche, IdleOne, iulian, jcastro, marcoceppi, Kilos, rickspencer3, s-fox, toddy, wxl - they are here to help, just ask! :) You can also send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:08] <wxl> that's what i meant
[18:08] <wxl> so since i'm on the list, yes, Pici :)
[18:09] <Pici> wxl: okay, thats why I asked ;)
[18:09] <wxl> understood, thx
[18:10] <Pici> ubottu: membershipboard is <reply>  The Membership Board consists of ahoneybun, cwayne18, elacheche, hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, jcastro, Kilos, marcoceppi, popey, rickspencer3, s-fox, toddy and wxl - they are here to help, just ask! :) You can also send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:11] <wxl> thx pici
[18:11] <Pici> wxl: np
[20:36] <Na3iL> Hey guys :) if anyone available I request for Ubuntu cloak.
[20:36] <k1l> what is your launchpad site?
[20:37] <Na3iL> k1l, https://launchpad.net/~naeilzoueidi
[20:39] <k1l> Na3iL: congrats on the membership, now we have to wait for someone from the IRCC to confirm
[20:39] <Na3iL> Thank you k1l okay.
[20:39] <Unit193> Pici (Which you may want to login to pici, btw), hggdh, Flannel ↑
[20:57]  * nhandler is around to set the cloak once the IRCC approves it
[20:57] <Pici> nhandler: great, I was just whoising some random staffers to see if they had low idle times.
[20:58] <Unit193> Pici: A lot of them fake it.
[20:58] <Pici> nhandler: Could you please cloak Na3iL with an ubuntu/member/na3il cloak?
[20:59] <nhandler> Pici, Na3iL: Done. Congratulations on the Ubuntu Membership
[20:59] <Na3iL> Thank Pici nhandler :D
[20:59] <Unit193> nhandler: Congrats.
[20:59] <Unit193> Erm...
[20:59] <Pici> Na3iL: congrats :)
[20:59] <nhandler> :)
[21:00] <Na3iL> thanks Pici
[22:53] <Unit193> Na3iL: Hello!  You may want to setup SASL so you have your cloak before joining channels, thus not cycling after join.  See http://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-xchat.shtml for xchat, or perhaps consider switching to hexchat for built-in support: http://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-hexchat.shtml
[22:54] <Na3iL> sure Unit193 thanks for the informations!
[22:55] <Unit193> Sure!