[00:56]  * wrst sees miley cyrus committed Facebook suicide... people rally should check things with snopes first
[13:56] <Juzzy> it's not on snopes yet if you're the one starting it ;)
[13:57] <wrst> HA HA  Juzzy I don't know anyone that creative
[14:04] <cyberanger> wrst: sure you do
[14:08] <wrst> well anyone that would waste there time on facebook doing that
[14:08] <Juzzy> heh true
[15:11] <Unit193> wrst: OH, speaking of such: http://imgur.com/gallery/7tkIn
[15:16] <wrst> ha ha Unit193
[17:27] <netritious> woo hoo it's monday
[17:28] <netritious> how's everyone
[17:28] <wrst> hey good netritious, how are you doing?
[17:55] <wrst> wb netritious, and how are you doing?
[17:56] <Unit193> wrst: He really doesn't want to answer. ;)
[17:56] <netritious> ty wrst, am doing fine besides cert issue+forgot password for freenode lol
[17:57] <wrst> netritious: that means it has been too long
[17:57] <Unit193> netritious: By cert I'm guessing you don't mean certfp?
[17:57] <wrst> Unit193: and yes I am used to that attitude towards me by now so I pick it up pretty quickly ;)
[17:57] <netritious> eh pretty busy atm
[17:57] <wrst> well what are you doing here killing time? :)
[17:58] <netritious> i take breaks at break time ;)
[17:58] <wrst> ha ha that's good
[18:00] <netritious> Unit193: freenode cert
[18:00] <Unit193> Yep, that's certfp, I quite like it.
[18:01] <netritious> certfp? haven't seen that reference before. must be getting old...
[18:02] <Unit193> http://freenode.net/certfp/
[18:03] <netritious> oh wow, thx for the link Unit193
[18:03] <Unit193> Another reason it's nice is if you connect when services are gone, when they come back they "see" your cert and identify you, rather than kicking you to Guest90823
[18:03] <Unit193> Sure.
[18:03] <netritious> that is cool
[18:03] <wrst> Unit193: do I need that?
[18:03] <Unit193> I set it up, also have SASL and server password, never can have enough, right?   I see certfp as being better, personally.
[18:05] <wrst> doesn't sound like its worth the effort for me really
[18:06] <wrst> but I will no doubt mess with it and toast something
[18:07] <Unit193> Nice that you don't need to use a grouped nick with it, tested that one.
[18:07] <netritious> aw, where'd the hacker wrst go? :D
[18:07] <Unit193> He's still asleep.
[18:07] <netritious> it /is/ monday
[18:07] <Unit193> This is slacker wrst.
[18:07] <wrst> ha ha well I had to rush and buy a router yesterday and flashed dd-wrt on it before I put it in use does that give me any cred?
[18:08] <netritious> wrst is OG
[18:08] <Unit193> (I can't complain, I'm the pot calling the kettle black.)
[18:08]  * wrst has no clue what being OG is...
[18:09] <netritious> old gansta
[18:09] <wrst> original gansta or old...
[18:09] <wrst> ha ha
[18:09] <wrst> oh yeha that's me of course...
[18:09] <netritious> pull your pants up wrst :)
[18:09] <wrst> trust me if i need to pull them up its because my fat gut pushed them down :)
[18:10] <netritious> lol
[18:10] <netritious> i actually came to brag on ubuntu a bit
[18:10] <wrst> I had a problem with my wireless just shutting off and solved that, now my modem has started dropping connections since the new router :\
[18:10] <netritious> it might be a bit premature, but so far so good
[18:11] <Unit193> netritious: Oh?
[18:11] <wrst> don't let that stop you :)
[18:11] <netritious> oh crap...can't win for losing wrst
[18:11] <Unit193> netritious: Oh, and tried the new Xmir? :P
[18:11] <netritious> uh no, just server stuff
[18:11] <wrst> well I'm using another modem outside of my provider its always been a little awkward but connects at the correct speed and the one from the ISP doesn't
[18:12] <netritious> I do use ubuntu desktop but rarely
[18:12] <wrst> I have been using a debian VPS lately I'm really liking that
[18:12] <Unit193> If Xfce/Xubuntu counts as Ubuntu, I use it all the tiem. :)
[18:12] <wrst> it does Unit193
[18:13] <netritious> i use good old LTS atm, alternate install with lxc containers for services
[18:15] <wrst> netritious:  I think LTS on servers just make sense and to me if I'm doing that Debian seems to make pretty good sense to me
[18:15] <netritious> right now i have a file server, db server, and syslog server on a dual core 2.5GHz/8GB ddr2/160gb sata2 drive
[18:15] <netritious> debian is a good os
[18:16] <wrst> I really like using it
[18:17] <netritious> the packages are tad bit stale though, unless you run testing or unstable, then you get a system that's not ready for production
[18:17] <wrst> can't the same really be said for a LTS?
[18:22] <wrst> just seems stability usually means old :)
[18:22]  * wrst is getting pretty stable :)
[18:23] <Unit193> netritious: I'd disagree on that point a little, testing is quite stable for me.  (Though, technically it is still half wheezy. >_> )
[18:23] <wrst> for a production server you don't want to tell people oh well i'm running the testing repo :)
[18:23] <Unit193> (On a headless, so server.)
[18:24] <Unit193> wrst: Of course.
[18:32] <wrst> Unit193: and really if I'm using debian for a desktop I've found testing to still be way old
[18:32] <Unit193> wrst: I'd agree there.  I use it for a server.
[18:32] <Unit193> Still have to roll some of my own packages for  it.
[18:37] <Unit193> wrst: What was netri* using for desktop again?
[18:37] <wrst> I think you just do that for fun Unit193
[18:38] <Unit193> Well, partly yes, but somethings are really outdated in repo, and some are missing.
[18:39] <wrst> testing I would say is pretty stable, but when going to unstable I have found things can get a little weird
[18:40] <Unit193> I've "backported" a couple things from unstable and testing to my Xubuntu.   So that's your useragent hitting my server!  You dual-boot Jaunty too?
[18:50] <netritious> lol
[22:52] <Unit193> Or two.
[22:58] <wrst> two?
[22:58] <Unit193> You looked out of order.
[22:59] <wrst> I suppose :P ?


[01:15] <anepanal1ptos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1026747
[01:15] <anepanal1ptos> bump?
[01:16] <Patrickdk> dhcp doesn't support that
[01:16] <Patrickdk> maybe check your dhcp client config?
[01:16] <anepanal1ptos> well, in debian, the metric is 0
[01:17] <anepanal1ptos> in ubuntu, the metric is 100
[01:18] <anepanal1ptos> it has to be something in the init.d or somewhere, the script that actually calls "dhclient ethX"
[01:19] <Patrickdk> heh? why does it have to be
[01:19] <Patrickdk> I'm pretty sure it's not
[01:19] <anepanal1ptos> well, my dhclient.config is the same as on debian and ubuntu
[01:21] <sarnold> does the kernel even care about the metric?
[01:23] <Patrickdk> oh, the answer is irght there even
[01:23] <Patrickdk> in the documentation
[01:23] <Patrickdk> anepanal1ptos, man interfaces
[01:24] <Patrickdk> sarnold, it sure as hell better
[01:24] <Patrickdk> if the kernel ignored metrics, so many networks would completely break
[01:25] <anepanal1ptos> huh? sorry can you help me a little more or re-word it?
[01:25] <Patrickdk> anepanal1ptos, type "man interfaces"
[01:25] <Patrickdk> the answer lies within
[01:26] <anepanal1ptos> dude, i'v read the rtfm. that's how i came across that point, by google-ing.
[01:26] <anepanal1ptos> this is a dhcp problem. not related to the interface specifically.
[01:26] <Patrickdk> heh?
[01:27] <anepanal1ptos> the 'answer that lies within' as you claim, is for static ip.
[01:27] <anepanal1ptos> this is a dhcp-obtained ip.
[01:28] <Patrickdk> odd, mine is different
[01:28] <anepanal1ptos> are you running ubuntu?
[01:29] <anepanal1ptos> if your ip is dhcp obtained, hit route -n and look at your default gw metric, is it 100?
[01:32] <Patrickdk> this is in debian
[01:32] <Patrickdk> just not a *stable* version of debian
[01:32] <Patrickdk> but it's in sid
[01:33] <anepanal1ptos> debian has metric 0
[01:33] <anepanal1ptos> which is what i want.
[01:34] <Patrickdk> dunno why
[01:34] <Patrickdk> I thought you wanted dhcp to be less perferred
[01:34] <anepanal1ptos> oooh no my friend. sorry for mis understanding
[01:34] <Patrickdk> either would actually be easy
[01:34] <anepanal1ptos> when debian pulls an ip from dhcp, and it has a default route, it puts it in the routeing table with metric 0
[01:35] <anepanal1ptos> when ubuntu does it, it gives it metric 100. i want it to pull the ip and give it metric 0, just like debian
[01:35] <Patrickdk> yes, but to what end?
[01:35] <Patrickdk> the metric itself has no bearing on what happens
[01:35] <Patrickdk> there has to be another duplicate rule first
[01:36] <anepanal1ptos> i have other routes in there. incl another default route from another host
[01:36] <Patrickdk> how did they get in there?
[01:36] <anepanal1ptos> i have quagga
[01:36] <Patrickdk> sounds like ubuntu would work better than the debian metric 0 then
[01:37] <anepanal1ptos> actually olsr. but i have another router broadcasting a <IP_ADDRESS> route
[01:37] <Patrickdk> just have quagga push the route with a metric <100
[01:37] <anepanal1ptos> see, that's one solution
[01:37] <anepanal1ptos> but that's not quite what i want. there a few routers on this network..
[01:38] <Patrickdk> you don't do it on the router
[01:38] <Patrickdk> you do it in the zebra config on the client
[01:38] <Patrickdk> most routing protocols don't do metrics
[01:38] <anepanal1ptos> ooohkay.
[01:38] <anepanal1ptos> i now understand
[01:38] <anepanal1ptos> gotta read up a little on olsr and figure that out.
[01:38] <Patrickdk> generally zebra daemon converts it to a metric
[01:38] <Patrickdk> or the routing protocol does before it hands it to zebra
[01:38] <anepanal1ptos> yeah
[01:39] <anepanal1ptos> see, everything that gets added dynamicaly has metric 2
[01:39] <anepanal1ptos> which is ok, cos on the debian box, the 'local' internet has metric 0, so cool.
[01:40] <anepanal1ptos> but on ubuntu, everything dynamic has metric 2 again, but this time the 'local' default gw gets metric 100, so the box still prefers the gateway on the routed network.
[01:40] <anepanal1ptos> but yeah i understand
[01:40] <anepanal1ptos> i just wished this was a simple change in dhcp somewhere.
[01:40] <Patrickdk> ya, I see how to change dhcp
[01:40] <Patrickdk> but I can't locate where to make the change
[01:40] <Patrickdk> probably cause I don't use dhcp
[01:40] <anepanal1ptos> lol
[01:40] <anepanal1ptos> my isp makes me :p
[02:20] <txomon> hi, just wanted to announce I have installed bugzilla in ubuntu 12.04, and I have documented all the process in txomon.com
[02:20] <txomon> hope anyone can see that link if he needs
[02:24] <sarnold> txomon: nice enough :) but the formatting is really .. funny? :) .. how the little grey boxes have no relationship to the lengths of the line (which are sometimes quite long..) and the copy-paste isn't monospaced, which I found a touch odd.
[02:25] <sarnold> txomon: but it does look like installing bugzilla without a guide would be a bit of a pain :) thanks
[03:02] <scott__> top
[04:02] <slide> Does anyone know what the default admin account is for slapd on 12.04? All the guides are saying its cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com and the password i entered, however it does not work
[05:07] <aarcane> Can anyone provide an ISO of the netinst release that's preconfigured to start an SSH server on boot?
[08:54] <Daviey> yolanda: hey.. So.. this isn't well documented.. but MIR (Main Inclusion Request) the status follows a different process.
[08:55] <yolanda> hi, can you explain me about it?
[08:57] <Daviey> yolanda: Yeah, so.. basically... ~ubuntu-mir does a review, often seeking input from ~ubuntu-security
[08:57] <Daviey> yolanda: So, an Incomplete one still needs work from the reporter.
[08:57] <Daviey> But a confirmed one means the MIR is approved
[08:57] <Daviey> Mind you, Fix Committed is also often used to mean that
[08:58] <Daviey> it's all a but messy
[08:58] <yolanda> mm, so i should leave the status like incomplete, although it's assigned already to a person?
[08:58] <yolanda> it's like this person is working on it?
[08:59] <Daviey> yolanda: i bounced it back to NEW
[09:00] <yolanda> ok
[09:00] <Daviey> yolanda: that one is fine just to leave :)
[09:44] <txomon> sarnold, those lines (the one in my blog) that don't fit into space are due to preformatted text. I should change a pair of things on the them for that :D
[09:51] <Daviey> jamespage: morning.  You don't hapen to know why adam_g reverted the SRU/bzr debian/changelog do you?
[10:05] <jamespage> Daviey, sorry - no idea
[10:06] <jamespage> Daviey, which branch?
[10:10] <Daviey> yolanda: which branch ^ ?
[10:11] <yolanda> daviey, let me check
[10:12] <yolanda> all of that: lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/nova/precise-essex-proposed		lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/keystone/precise-essex-proposed		lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/horizon/precise-essex-proposed		lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/glance/precise-essex-proposed
[10:27] <cmol> Hi guys, do you know what happens if a ubuntu server needs fsck with root a reboot? Will it ask for root or will it just run the fsck anyway?
[10:29] <jpds> cmol: Should just run fsck.
[10:29] <ttx> hallyn: I'm a bit confused by bug 1088295, mostly due to my ignorance of the lxc/livirt-lxc subtleties.  I'm trying to get debians to do the same.
[10:45] <henkjan> is it possible in apache to create dynamic logfiles, based on the fqdn from the server?
[10:46] <ewook> it's possible per virtualhost to define the logfiles.
[10:46] <henkjan> but i want generate the filename dynamic
[10:47] <henkjan> so i can use the same vhost configs
[10:47] <henkjan> and let a few servers write the logfiles to the same dir on nfs
[10:47] <henkjan> but with filenames, based on the hostnames off the webservers
[10:48] <ewook> you just said that you wanted it in the same file from different hosts.
[10:48] <ewook> if you just want different filenames, simply specify it in each vhost config.
[10:50] <henkjan> in that case i need to maintain to much vhost configs :)
[10:51] <ewook> henkjan: if you wish to alter the layout of the content of the logs, look at LogFormat in the apache2.conf.
[10:51] <ewook> henkjan: well..
[10:51] <ewook> it's an optional extra to set specific logs per vhost.
[10:51] <ewook> it's not mandatory.
[10:53] <henkjan> no, i just want 3 servers using the same vhost config to log to /mnt/www/logs/`hostname`-access.log
[10:56] <RoyK> henkjan: oh, you want to use a variable in the apache config_
[10:56] <RoyK> ?
[10:57] <henkjan> RoyK: yep
[10:57] <RoyK> mod_macro, perhaps
[10:58] <RoyK> but then, if it's three servers, it shouldn't be much problem just configure each of them
[10:59] <henkjan> maintaining 3 different vhosts files per vhost is errorprone
[11:04] <RoyK> well, it's 3, not 30
[11:05] <RoyK> but I get your point - still - dunno how to do that if mod_macro won't fix it
[11:05] <RoyK> do you use proxies in front of these?
[11:19] <henkjan> no, just a loadbalancer
[11:19] <henkjan> nodes are being configured with cfengine
[11:19] <henkjan> i can do some editing with cfengine
[11:19] <henkjan> but apache native would be nice :)
[11:24] <CoderInTank> problem: server is gateway. It share Inet to other machines. But It can't ping other machines on his network. why?
[11:33] <RoyK> henkjan: I'd use cfengine
[11:34] <RoyK> henkjan: also, I'd look into varnish or even squid if I were you, to do some caching - it handles static load far better than apache
[12:58] <henkjan> RoyK: just deployed the varnish config with cfengine on those hosts :)
[12:59] <RoyK> henkjan: :)
[12:59] <RoyK> henkjan: the usual "enterprise" setup is internet-balancer(s)-varnish server(s)-apache host(s)-database server(s)
[14:12] <jamespage> jdstrand, would you be comfortable with me re-enabling the ceph-fuse packages and making sure they remain in universe?
[14:12] <jamespage> they where dropped during the original MIR
[14:18] <jdstrand> jamespage: my original comment was "demote ceph-fuse to universe or preferably build using --without-fuse"
[14:19] <jamespage> jdstrand, ack - that sounds like an OK then :-)
[14:19] <jamespage> thanks
[14:19] <jdstrand> jamespage: so, I think it is 'ok' to have it in universe. that said, I also noticed in the MIR review "fuse module doesn't work on 32 bit"
[14:19] <jdstrand> I don't know if that is still the case
[14:19] <jamespage> jdstrand, OK _ I'll take a look at that again
[14:20] <jdstrand> jamespage: is there a demonstrable need? I do prefer it be disabled cause fuse is notoriously hard to get right and we don't want to expose users to risk, even if it is in universe
[14:20] <jdstrand> jamespage: really, I don't need that answer. I'll just pose the question and let you decide :)
[14:21] <jamespage> jdstrand, just trying to minimise the delta between Ubuntu -> Debian and Ubuntu -> Upstream
[14:21] <jamespage> makes my life a little easier....
[14:21] <jdstrand> I don't have an objection so long as it isn't in main
[14:21] <jamespage> jdstrand, ack
[15:09] <survietamine> hello
[15:09] <survietamine> i've installed postfixadmin from packages, and got a /etc/apache2/conf.d/postfixadmin file, now i want to have virtual hosts (postfixadmin and sabredav), do i have to keep files in conf.d or put them in available/enabled directories ?
[15:26] <hallyn> ttx: I'll only be in next tuesday and wednesday.  we can chat then, or else stgraber and zul can probably help.
[15:29] <stgraber> hallyn: context?
[15:31] <popey> what's the recommended way of putting a server iso on a usb stick?
[15:31] <popey> dd / unetbootin / usb startup disk creator / something else?
[15:32] <SinZ> I use multiboot
[15:32] <stgraber> (sorry, slow internet, at the moment, can't easily go through scrollback)
[15:34] <justanomad> hey guys, I need to install an old version of python-ipaddr .. needs to be 1.1.1 how can I install older versions of a package?
[15:35] <k1ng> justanomad, find the package on repo and install it using dpkg -i blah.deb
[15:39] <justanomad> k1ng: I tried searching for it here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ but only comes up with newer versions.. am I looking in the right place?
[15:42] <k1ng> justanomad,  http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[15:43] <k1ng> or just find the source and compile it
[15:45] <justanomad> k1ng: k, thanks
[15:54] <ttx> hallyn: ack
[15:55] <ttx> stgraber: <ttx> hallyn: I'm a bit confused by bug 1088295, mostly due to my ignorance of the lxc/livirt-lxc subtleties. Ping me when you have 5 minutes to explain me stuff.
[16:03] <stgraber> ttx: well, in short, libvirt-lxc and lxc are two completely different implementation of containers, using the same kernel bits
[16:04] <stgraber> ttx: lxc has apparmor support to prevent the container user to mess with the host and other containers
[16:04] <stgraber> ttx: libvirt-lxc doesn't
[16:05] <stgraber> we have a pretty vague plan to write a new libvirt driver that'll be based on our liblxc library (from the lxc project), that'd be a replacement for libvirt-lxc
[16:05] <stgraber> and that way everything would be sharing the same code and the same features
[16:05] <ttx> stgraber: any clue which one the openstack-lxc stuff is using ?
[16:05] <stgraber> but so far, it's really just a vague longterm plan. Until then, you basically need to implement everything twice, once in lxc and once in libvirt-lxc
[16:06] <stgraber> ttx: my (limited) understanding of openstack is that it's based on libvirt, so uses libvirt-lxc
[16:06] <ttx> stgraber: so it's blatantly insecure ?
[16:06] <ttx> zul: ^
[16:07] <stgraber> ttx: in short, yes
[16:08] <ttx> stgraber: cool :)
[16:08] <stgraber> ttx: I believe we have a bug somewhere on Launchpad asking for apparmor support in libvirt-lxc where hallyn commented that it may be easier to just implement our own libvirt driver and fix that mess for good
[16:25] <gondoi> this may be the wrong place to ask, but in /proc/fs/nfsd/versions there is "-4.1" does that mean that 4.1 is explicitly disabled?
[17:16] <tgm4883> When apt-check returns the regular and security updates numbers, are the security updates a subset of the regular updates or are the two numbers completely separate?
[18:16] <adam_g> zul: http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/nova_2012.2-0ubuntu5.2~cloud0/
[18:17] <Shakes> :)
[18:17] <adam_g> jamespage: Daviey ^ look good for upload to precise-folsom-staging?
[19:34] <root________> Can anyone provide a ubuntu netinst iso that launches an openssh server after network config and then waits, by default?  Preferably from a corporate site, someone trustworthy?    there's a howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole but I'm not comfortable preparing that ISO or USB drive.
[19:39] <ikonia> root________: please don't cross post
[19:39] <ikonia> you're already asking in #ubuntu
[19:39] <root________> ikonia: there are different users in each channel, adn the subject is relevant in both channels.
[19:40] <ikonia> no
[19:40] <ikonia> this is nothing to do with ubuntu-server
[19:40] <root________> ikonia: the fact that I intend to select the server options and install as a server makes it applicable here.
[19:40] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[19:40] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with "server"
[19:40] <adam_g> root________: just put the preseed data in a file on a webserver accessible to the node. then pass the 'url=' kernel parameter to the installer.
[19:41] <ikonia> !crosspost | root________
[19:41] <adam_g> root________: you may need to add some more to the preseed or kernel parameters to have it automatically step thru the installer to the point where the ssh server is up
[19:42] <root________> adam_g: won't work.  I can't see any output at all on the terminal, I need the system to advance to the point that SSH is available and only then can I interact with it in any meaningful way
[19:43] <adam_g> root________: you might want to look into netbooting the mini.iso and provisioning with something like MAAS or cobbler
[19:44] <root________> adam_g: that's an option I didn't think of, but it sounds like a lot of setup for a one-time thing.  I'll keep that as plan B
[19:50] <chromster> is there a terminal tool for managin upstart services (something similar to sys-rc-conf)?
[19:51] <root________> chromster: you can't "manage" upstart services.  you can only start and stop them, you can't set them enabled or disabled.
[19:51] <root________> chromster: that said, you can edit the /etc/init/servicename.conf files to alter the chriterion for a service' startup, which will net you the result I believe you expect.
[19:51] <sarnold> you can put them into "manual mode", which is nearly the same as "disabled"
[19:52] <chromster> root________: I was mainly interested in being able to quicjly see all services and which ones are enable and which ones are disabled.
[19:53] <root________> chromster: man service
[19:53] <root________> the application "service" is used behind the scenes to start and stop upstart AND init.d jobs.
[19:56] <chromster> root________: ahh yes. service --status-all seem to show what I want...
[19:57] <root________> chromster: some services don't support accurate reporting with status or --status-all, so beware.
[19:58] <chromster> just curious - does Ubuntu have any plans in switching to systemd or is it set on upstart for the future?
[19:58]  * root________ shrugs
[19:59] <SpamapS> chromster: Its been discussed ad nauseum, it will likely be upstart for a long time
[19:59] <SpamapS> chromster: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035129.html
[19:59] <SpamapS> !systemd
[19:59] <SpamapS> ^systemd
[20:00] <SpamapS> uvirtbot: somebody should team you about systemd
[20:00] <SpamapS> teach even
[20:01] <SpamapS> root________: also, thats not true what you said earlier. You can very easily disable upstart services.
[20:01] <root________> SpamapS: I've been searching for a way to disable an upstart service for a long time.  Please tell me how to do so
[20:01] <SpamapS> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#determine-if-a-job-is-disabled
[20:02] <SpamapS> root________: echo manual | sudo tee -a /etc/init/jobname.override
[20:02] <SpamapS> root________: that will disable automatic start of it
[20:02] <root________> what version of ubuntu introduced override files?
[20:02] <SpamapS> 11.04
[20:02] <root________> nice
[20:03] <root________> thanks, SpamapS!
[20:03] <SpamapS> Even in 10.04
[20:03] <SpamapS> just use the .conf for the same thing
[20:03] <SpamapS> (its just a PITA because then you have a conffile difference which makes upgrades a pain)
[20:03] <root________> I remember looking at upstart documentation and seeing .override files as a proposed solution later than 11.04 was released.
[20:15] <SpamapS> root________: oddly enough, it never got mentioned in the NEWS file
[20:16] <root________> SpamapS: Hmm, well, this interesting new feature is a blessing to us all then :)
[20:18] <SpamapS> root________: indeed. Now we just need a chkconfig work-alike :)
[20:19] <sarnold> now that we have a way to disable jobs, some clever utility to make it easy to see would be nice. :)
[20:20] <urthmover> where is the equivalent to /var/log/messages in 12.04 server?
[20:20] <urthmover> I don't have rsyslog on....so I'm wondering if there is anything installed and enabled by default
[20:20] <root________> SpamapS: I can hardly wait for an ubuntu release that ships without an init.d directory, and warns on building packages with init.d scripts :)
[20:21] <mdeslaur> root________: your nick hurts my eyes...my ocd wants to fill in the blank line with magic marker
[20:22] <sarnold> urthmover: so, uh, you uninstalled your syslog daemon and then wonder where the logs are stored? :)
[20:22] <root________> mdeslaur: My other main nick is online on my PC at home, so I'm using one of my alts :)
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> root________, your nick with the billion _ is evil and should burn
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> personal opinion, one i think mdeslaur shares right now
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> (basically means "Choose a different alt!")
[20:23] <root________> TheLordOfTime: I got it as a joke ages ago, and seldom use it :)
[20:23]  * TheLordOfTime notices mysql crashed on his server.
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> oh great... not again.
[20:23] <mdeslaur> hehe, well, I just thought it was funny :P
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur, the extra __________- ends up with the IRC client shifting text over very far :P  (low-res screen)
[20:23] <root________> TheLordOfTime: I don't have any others right now.  I'll pcik a enw one when I'm at home, and register/link it later.
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> ends up one line being displayed on 3 or 4 lines
[20:24]  * TheLordOfTime goes off to fix MySQL on his server
[20:24] <mdeslaur> TheLordOfTime: but...yours is longer :P
[20:24] <urthmover> sarnold: no I didn't uninstall syslog daemon.  Basically I have a user complaining that something happened .... and I'm looking at /var/log/syslog and it is virtually blank...only some cron messages
[20:24] <TheLordOfTime> mdeslaur, mine shows up as "<me>" on my irc client ;P
[20:24]  * TheLordOfTime modified the code for XChat and runs his own code changes.
[20:24] <mdeslaur> *lol*
[20:24] <urthmover> specifically this user said he started a shell script within a screen session, and he said that screen broke.
[20:25] <sarnold> then replace root________ with <root_> in your patch and rebuild! :D
[20:25]  * root________ is using Hexchat at home, but the webchat functionality here.
[20:26] <root________> sarnold: but that defeats the point.  The point of the 8 underscores is to imply that 8 people before me, root_^0 ... root_^7 have all logged in prior to me...
[20:26] <TheLordOfTime> whether that's the case or not, is irrelevant
[20:26] <sarnold> root________: oh, you're right. It _should_ be <him>, then.
[20:26] <TheLordOfTime> sarnold, or <evilthing>
[20:26] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:27] <TheLordOfTime> ..... whaaaaa..?  that's... interesting, anyone know what would cause the kernel to kill MySQL (no segfaults or anything, just a record that a kill signal was sent to MySQL)
[20:27] <mdeslaur> TheLordOfTime: anything in dmesg? an OOM perhaps?
[20:28] <TheLordOfTime> if it OOM'd, i'd have expected Python, not MySQL, to OOm
[20:28] <TheLordOfTime> since the Bugtracker plugin for supybot is a memory whore
[20:28] <root________> TheLordOfTime: there's a procedure, not sure what it is, to immunize important services against OOM kills.
[20:29] <root________> TheLordOfTime: alternatively, your system might be compromised and some user figured out how to kill it :)
[20:29] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: OOM killer is a mysterious and dangerous beast ;)
[20:29] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS, true statement.
[20:29] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: sssh! one must not speak of OOM!
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> root________, unlikely to be compromized, i've not yet seen someone spoof SSH key auth only.
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> and there's only one user: me/
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:30]  * TheLordOfTime routinely purges the accepted SSH keys on that server, too.
[20:31] <root________> TheLordOfTime: maybe it was some sort of stack-based buffer overflow?
[20:31]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[20:31] <TheLordOfTime> whatever it was, the system's behaving now
[20:32]  * TheLordOfTime bumps up RAM allocation to the VM running his site/related-services
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> the VM is on my server... and isolated from the other VM which handles my other site...
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:34] <guntbert> TheLordOfTime: stop bragging :-))
[20:34] <TheLordOfTime> guntbert, hehe
[20:34] <root________> guntbert: I've got more VMs than you, I'm sure.
[20:34] <root________> s/ guntbert / TheLordOfTime /
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> root________, i don't doubt it, i don't actually like VMs.  setting up IP routing is a PAIN
[20:35]  * TheLordOfTime despises VMs.
[20:35] <root________> TheLordOfTime: very few of mine are actually externally accessible.
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> whoops, apparently they all died xD
[20:35]  * root________ is easily frustrated with VMs
[20:35] <root________> o,.,0
[20:36] <root________> careful, TheLordOfTime.
[20:36] <guntbert> back to topic please
[20:36]  * TheLordOfTime points at the timeouts :P
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> anyways...
[20:36] <root________> so, does anyone have that modified iso I requested earlier?  :P
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> ... hmm, perhaps it was an OOM, mdeslaur what would an OOM return as in dmesg
[20:36] <root________> TheLordOfTime: a bunch of OOM killer messages.  check syslog, too.
[20:37] <mdeslaur> TheLordOfTime: dmesg | grep oom
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> yep, there's the OOM messages.
[20:38]  * TheLordOfTime shurgs
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> where can i configure oomkiller to ignore certain processes and not ignore others?
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> (its ignoring oidentd and there's a known bug in which it spawns billions of itself eating up tons of memory)
[20:44] <root________> TheLordOfTime: I was just googling that for myself, and came up with this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/linux.kernel/57YakeotK90
[20:45] <root________> TheLordOfTime: http://backdrift.org/how-to-create-oom-killer-exceptions looks more meaningful
[21:13] <jamespage> adam_g, +1 if you have not already had it
[21:30] <adam_g> jamespage: ty
[21:38] <SpamapS> Hrm, I'm guessing smoser is offline
[21:39] <ikonia> he's in this channel
[21:39] <ikonia> so a bad guess
[21:39] <SpamapS> Trying to figure out why cloud-init would only put the box's configured SSH keys in /root/.ssh and not the user's .ssh
[21:39] <SpamapS> ikonia: he also hasn't spoken for *days*
[21:39] <SpamapS> including not responding all day yesterday
[21:39] <ikonia> he may not be at his desk
[21:40] <SpamapS> ikonia: lol.. ok.. sure.. you know smoser well..


[03:32] <burnbrighter> Nodes stuck in commissioning.  Can someone tell me if this indicates the time difference problem:
[03:32] <burnbrighter> [Fri Jun 22 16:02:43 2012] [error] Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300
[03:32] <burnbrighter> [Fri Jun 22 16:02:49 2012] [error] Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
[03:32] <burnbrighter> [Fri Jun 22 16:02:49 2012] [error] WWW-Authenticate: OAuth realm="OAuth"
[04:28] <burnbrighter> weird my clocks both seem to be in UTC and in sync.  So why am I seeing this?
[05:18] <burnbrighter> ok, clock off by a whole 24 hours.  didn't see that part


[04:05] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2579](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2579): X11 platform: send discrete scroll
[04:05] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[04:05] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Non-urgant, but makes scroll on X11 a bit less jank
[05:08] <sophie-w> BINGO
[05:08] <sophie-w> needle in a fuckin haystack but I think I found it
[05:09] <Saviq> Yikes.
[05:25] <Saviq> sophie please just write down what you found and go to sleep, if it's any faster than putting up a fix
[05:26] <sophie-w> Nooo actually I didn't figure it out, but I will post my observations and suspicion
[05:31] <sophie-w> Saviq: bug report didn't specify a platform. I have been seeing it on X11 but not libinput, same for you?
[05:32] <Saviq> No, seen it with no X in the picture
[05:33] <Saviq> Sorry for lack of detail
[05:33] <Saviq> All in a Miriway session, with both Firefox and Thunderbird running through Wayland
[05:39] <sophie-w> Weird, issue updated, g'night!
[07:43] <alan_g[m]> I was still working on this, but it was already found on reddit: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/developing-a-wayland-compositor-using-mir/30112/ \o/
[08:02] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2580](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2580): Maximized windows sometimes end up behind panels... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/de0dbd894c637c3f72a7e39a205aff9c2613a3cf)
[08:09] <Saviq> Is Firefox constantly looping on this expected? Even when not drawing anything?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5b0cab79462840c06f3d7a6a3b6b3de3b85e2248)
[08:10] <Saviq> I'm seeing significantly higher load on Miriway than on GNOME, and Firefox+Miriway seem to be the culprits
[08:12] <Saviq> Happens even when fully occluded
[08:12] <alan_g[m]> That sounds like we could do better. Not noticed it to investigate, but I suspect it isn't new.
[08:13] <alan_g[m]> And yes, we should be throttling occluded windows
[08:14] <Saviq> Seems to be triggered by websites drawing, actually - but I've not noticed the same load with the same sites open on GNOME
[08:14] <alan_g[m]> I wonder if it has anything to do with the scrolling. Do you see it elsewhere? Or just FF?
[08:17] <Saviq> Let me try and find another client that draws
[08:18] <Saviq> Just doing `while true; do sleep .01; echo .; done` in a maximized mate-terminal takes Miriway to 20% CPU here
[08:18] <Saviq> I'll have to compare with GNOME
[08:19] <Saviq> But all the `wl_display...delete_id()`, that expected? (not having read the wayland protocols yet it reads to me like it's deleting displays?)
[08:25] <alan_g[m]> No it is deleting frame callback objects. (The id identifies the object, the "new id" tells you what it is bound ti
[08:26] <Saviq> OK I see the same event stream in GNOME, but shell load significantly less (like 7-9% vs. 20+%)
[08:27] <alan_g[m]> Interesting, it has been a while (and many FF versions) since I checked, but load used to be the other way around
[08:27] <Saviq> Note I'm using a side-by-side display setup, which could well impact things
[08:27] <Saviq> Let me try internal display only
[08:28] <alan_g[m]> All good stuff to be researching (please write stuff up too - and raise relevant issues)
[08:33] <Saviq> Yeah load less than half with a single display
[08:33] <Saviq> Around GNOME levels
[08:33] <Saviq> And re: writing stuff down, of course
[08:34] <alan_g[m]> This should help: I now have identical code and configs on VT4 and VT5, on VT4 I see the problem, on VT5 scrolling works as expected. Now to compare what's going on...
[08:37] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2581](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2581): Throttle down occluded surfaces
[08:37] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2581](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2581): Throttle down occluded surfaces... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c8e530fb7fe22d2d100de7204f0a8e15dfd8e6d9)
[08:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2580](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2580): Maximized windows sometimes end up behind panels
[08:44] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2582](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2582): Excessive load when surface draws with multiple displays configured
[08:44] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2582](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2582): Excessive load when surface draws with multiple displays configured... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ede8c6485e96e7927b56f127b8d4ae870355d3fa)
[09:07] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2583](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2583): Can't paste when copied from Firefox address bar
[09:07] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2583](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2583): Can't paste when copied from Firefox address bar... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ebea537dbb456ab1eab6b0eaaefce40657ae7528)
[09:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2583](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2583): Can't paste when copied from Firefox address bar
[09:12] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2583](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2583): Can't paste when copied from Firefox address bar
[09:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2584](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2584): Add ability to move maximized windows
[09:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2584](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2584): Add ability to move maximized windows
[09:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[09:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > It's common that grabbing a maximized window by their title bar unmaximizes it, and allows the user to drag it. Mir doesn't do anything when grabbing a maximized window.
[09:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- enhancement
[09:17] <Saviq> Weird that you see the scrolling issue come and go... it's 100% for me...
[09:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2585](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2585): Menus of panels don't close when losing (or don't lose) focus
[09:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2585](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2585): Menus of panels don't close when losing (or don't lose) focus... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b6db67fb1c87985c104961c023653d73e438238c)
[09:36] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2586](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2586): Notification surfaces show up cropped, randomly placed and steal input... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/188427c79deff5f39b3c710823604fa8fff8c257)
[09:45] <Saviq> I had Firefox input lock up once (just like the WPE issue)... will keep a look out (and maybe run FF under WAYLAND_DEBUG if it happens again)
[09:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2587](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2587): Keyboard status LEDs don't light up
[09:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[09:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > The keyboard status stay off regardless of their status on Mir.
[09:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- enhancement
[09:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2587](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2587): Keyboard status LEDs don't light up
[09:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2588](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2588): Can't drag Firefox tabs
[09:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[09:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Something isn't working right with delivery of pointer input - I can't drag Firefox tabs around.
[09:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- bug
[09:56] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2588](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2588): Can't drag Firefox tabs or Thunderbird messages
[10:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #2587](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2587): Keyboard status LEDs don't light up
[10:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added duplicate and removed enhancement from [issue #2587](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2587): Keyboard status LEDs don't light up
[11:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2588](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2588): Need drag'n'drop support
[11:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement and removed bug from [issue #2588](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2588): Need drag'n'drop support
[11:33] <Saviq> alan_g do URLs work between snaps in Miriway for you? I can't seem to get URLs to open in the browser
[11:34] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2583](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2583): Can't paste when copied from Firefox address bar or Thunderbird "copy link"
[11:35] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: We're probably not starting a service. "xdg-open URL" ought to work
[11:36] <Saviq> Yeah snapd-userd or some such
[11:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths assigned AlanGriffiths to [issue #2570](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2570): Wayland platform uses EGL 1.5 entry points
[11:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2589](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2589): [Wayland platform] Don't use uses EGL 1.5 entry points
[11:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[11:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes: #2570
[13:10] <alan_g[m]> Saviq Quick review? ^^
[13:12] <Saviq> ACK
[14:18] <alan_g[m]> Will this do as a first pass? https://mir-server.io/docs/developing-a-wayland-compositor-using-mir
[14:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2570](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2570): Wayland platform uses EGL 1.5 entry points
[14:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2589](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2589): [Wayland platform] Don't use uses EGL 1.5 entry points
[14:21] <Saviq> alan_g[m]: Will give it a good read. Did you split the Miriway code blocks on purpose?
[14:22] <alan_g[m]> Yes, least bad option: otherwise the code ends up in a scroll box
[14:23] <Saviq> On the doc page as well? Or just discourse?
[14:23] <Saviq> If it has to be split, maybe add a blurb of context for each block?
[14:24] <Saviq> Looks weird otherwise
[14:28] <alan_g[m]> Seems just to be discourse.  Anyone reading that far will likely cope
[15:04] <Saviq> Well, it does work, but gets the same vertical scroll treatment
[15:10] <Saviq> And it strips any `style=` we'd like to override (which makes sense) - but since our preferred consumption is /docs, IMO that's OK as is
[16:21] <Saviq> Good day o/
[16:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #85](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/85): Drive-by tidy-up
[17:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** bors[bot] closed [pull request #85](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/85): [Merged by Bors] - Drive-by tidy-up
[17:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** bors[bot] edited [pull request #85](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/85): [Merged by Bors] - Drive-by tidy-up
[22:00] <alan_g[m]> test (please ignore)
[22:02] <alan_g[m]> .


[01:14] <ubptgbot> Buck Montana was added by: Buck Montana
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[01:14] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Hi
[01:14] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> my nexus 5 arrived today, so I'm starting the process of installing touch on it
[01:15] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> (I tried a 5x before and that ...obviously now...didn't work
 @Buck Montana, trust the process LOL
 Hi I'm running 16.04 (r372) I can make calls/SMS but cannot access internet/MMS. Is there a fix without switching back to 15.04? Is this a reported bug?
 I'm using a Nexus 5 (before u ask☺)
 I have checked APN settings, re-entered & rebooted. Still no success 😭
 What carrier?
 TeleChoice
[09:37] <ubptgbot> giacomoalberini was added by: giacomoalberini
 @giacomoalberini, Welcome Giacomo!!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 Hi Guys! Very happy to be in here, great FOSS lover here! I'm currently working with Mobile app development and I think its very annoying and frustrating! I feel very locked up with Provisioning, Certificates and stuff like that! Really into finding a way to free this process a bit ahah! A more "Linux" something on my phone
[09:43] <ubptgbot> would be the solution, I think!
 Since I'd like to make the switch, what device would you advice me to get? As far as I've read, it seems that Nexus 5 is the best supported phone, it this right? Thanks!
 @giacomoalberini see https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ depending on your budget you can choose one or another
 N5 is a good device but it's not the only good one
 @advocatux, Thanks! In your opinion, what is the best? Budget is not a problem at the moment, what about the Meizu Pro 5?
 Good good got it.
 Hi eveyone
 Maybe Meizu Pro 5 and Fairphone 2 are the top ones, Oneplus one and Nexus 5 in the middle, and then the rest
 My vote for Fairphone 2
 I have nexus 5
 Nexus
 Where can I buy fairphone
 https://shop.fairphone.com/en/buy-fairphone2-2/
 Does it support cod
 what's cod?
 Cash on delivery
 @Strangerer, I'd wait for Fairphone 3. It'll most likely be released at the end of this year.
 @Strangerer, no, unfortunately
 Thx
 @Hasbreak, Can u send link to it
 @Alex, Awesome I tried and failed miserably. Actually had the S4. But got rid of it due to a broken screen. If you say 4 days of work. Dis you just follow the halium docs or is there some other detailed guide out there?
 @Alex, [Edit] Awesome I tried and failed miserably. Actually had the S4. But got rid of it due to a broken screen. If you say 4 days of work. Did you just follow the halium docs or is there some other detailed guide out there?
 @Strangerer, They may ship to other countries but idk. Nope to COD
 The bro
 What's the status of Anbox
 @Strangerer, The same it was 4 months ago 😆
 We are working now on 16.04 release, no time for Anbox, sorry.
 Ubuntu has released bionic beaver, why 16.04?
 @Strangerer, Because it's not needed to be built from scratch
 @G_Raffe, Confusing
 Because it's way easier to go step by step and go from 15.04 to 16.04 and then to 18.04 🤓
 18.04 is too large a change
 @Strangerer, An excellent question. Going from 15.04 to 16.04 isn't easy, but it seems to be much easier than going from 15.04 to the (very early) 18.04. Similarly, rebuilding 15.04 sources on a 16.04 base isn't easy, but it is faster. Choosing the easier path means a faster release, which means we don't get left in the dust
[11:01] <ubptgbot> . Release early, release often.
 That's in our FAQ https://ubports.com/community/faq 😉
 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Logind-For-Mir-WIP
 ^^ this will probably fix the login issue on 18.04 (unity8 session)
 this issue https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/issues/22
 @JSJoubert, I did yes
 also there's some guide on sailfish OS which helped me a lot as well
 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_jfltexx
 it still does not work of course
 but I'm a bit further.. :p
 Thanks I will read to see if it can help with the Z3, though I would like to move onto the ZX but no LineageOS build
 But I bet it is way farther than I got.
 if you can find a Sailfish OS guide for your z3 I think it should help as well yes
 they provide the manifest.xml + a few tips
 it's not really that far
 I got to boot with the  hybrs-boot.img  + system.img and had a telnet into the phone, nothing more for now
 also for some reason when I flash the boot, the touch screen does not work anymore for TWRP, who knows why
 it took me already 4/5 days to arrive to this point but I'm a total noob so that's expected ... :p
 Then I must be way more than total noob..
 However granted sometimes I only have 15 minutes a night to spend on it and That is barely enough to read a wiki oage
 [Edit] However granted sometimes I only have 15 minutes a night to spend on it and That is barely enough to read a wiki page
 yeah clearly...
 And to be honest I overworked the last few years so I wanted to be lazy this year
 So i haven't been that productive as I could have been' but thanks for that bit if advixe
 [Edit] So i haven't been that productive as I could have been' but thanks for that bit if advice
 yeah it's understandable
 for the s4 I have a few bit of advice if you want to try again later: use g++6, g++7 creates lots and lots of error and also pick the right s4, not the i9500 like me haha
 I had to redo everything :P
 maybe I will get to a state where it will work well at some point, I hope
 I'll keep you in touch!
 OOoooooOooooo i just built terminal-app with atom and clickable ❤
 OooooooooooooooOOOOOOOO such cool ooooOOOOOOOOOoooooOOO
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/42CnMUUO.png
 @Alex, Thanks
 @popescu_sorin, looks good 👍
 yep.
 1. install clickable 2. git clone terminator 3. install atom. 4 install atom clickable package. 5 build. 6 profit???
 [Edit] 1. install clickable 2. git clone terminal-app 3. install atom. 4 install atom clickable package. 5 build. 6 profit???
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alqFO2ARup0
 i cut off the install clicable part because it took a while and was kind of boring
 [Edit] i cut off the install clikable part because it took a while and was kind of boring
[15:22] <ubptgbot> Rohit Gupta was added by: Rohit Gupta
 Hi popescu
 hi
 Why no videos about Ubuntu touch in recent times
 lack of time
 work and stuff :/
 Ok Please do videos about UT its my obligation
 :P
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/S90PgDwo.png
 muhahaha! balls2 built with clickable
[16:12] <ubptgbot> LuanComputacao was added by: LuanComputacao
 @LuanComputacao, Hi Luan, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 (Photo, 592x61) https://irc.ubports.com/nUO002cA.png I guess that means no wifi yet :P, I'll have to work a bit more...
 @popescu_sorin, Perfect now we just need blender
 blender is the next level
 Blender games on UT?  Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/this-week-in-mir-11th-may-2018/5824
 greyback5h … Hey all, … after much pain and gnashing of teeth, @raof has pushed a branch with logind support for us to test. As he says himself, it needs cleaning up and lots of testing, but it’s good to see it is almost ready. Once it lands, Mir will integrate much better into existing desktop architectures, so login managers
[18:49] <ubptgbot>  like GDM can launch a MirAL/EGMDE-based shell and it’ll just work, like any other desktop would. I know the UBPorts guys are interested in that too! … @alan_g has been focused on stability and wlcs. He fixed a couple of deadlocks and a several nasty crashes. William is persevering with Wayland improvements, and we’re working with @mariogrip on the
[18:49] <ubptgbot>  X11 support! Watch this space! … Have a good weekend all! … -G
 @popescu_sorin, :D logind seems to work for me btw :) will push a test version with both that and x11 for unity8 this weekend :D
 yay! can't wait :D
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YalezTmQ.webp
[19:53] <ubptgbot> Kenneth was added by: Kenneth
 Hy guys someone can give me a doc with Ubuntu touch ram management ?
 RAM or storage?
 you cannot directly manage anything with RAM really
 @mariogrip, Hi
 Sorry that was sent a bit ago my internet is very broken tonight for some reason
 Welcome Kenneth !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hi all you newcomers! We hope you are enjoying the UBports community.  Have you subscribed to our news channel?  If not, this is your chance. Just click the link and feel the power! … https://t.me/ubports_news
 Hi everyone
 @dohbee, I want to say how app in background are manage
 you want to allow apps in the background to continue running?
 @dohbee, No I just want to know a global system management like the ram management .I want to know if there are technical doc like google with android
 i do not understand what you are asking then
 I want to know if they are the equivalent of that for UT https://developer.android.com/topic/performance/memory
 no, there is no documentation specific to UT for memory optimization
 and UT doesn't signal apps to free up memory
 What a mess, no closing apps?
 Or what does it mean
 what do you mean by 'no closing apps' exactly?
 kernel does kill things from OOM
 Ook thx
 and apps are paused when in background
 and we don't have 'services' like android allows
 It would be nice to have documentation about UT operation
 there is plenty of documentation at https://docs.ubports.com/
 @dohbee, Yes but not what I want thank you for you help
 are you wanting to write an application?
 maybe you could help write the documentation you want then?
 UT unfortunately doesn't have the investment of the likes of Google behind it
 it relies on community contribution, and most people are interested in getting the software to be usable, than writing extreme technical documentation
[21:34] <z``core> hey is possible to run ubuntu of some type on an iphone 5s?
 No
[21:34] <z``core> lol ok that's to the point ty :)
 I try to give more options most of the time...
 But that one's just a solid no. :P
[21:35] <z``core> no prob :)
[21:35] <z``core> samsung tablet?
[21:35] <z``core> probably not on any small device i bet
[21:36] <z``core> whatever happened to the ubuntu phone?
 Ubuntu Touch's supported devices can be found at https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/. If you have LineageOS porting experience or really like ~~throwing devices out a window~~ a challenge, you can try porting it yourself
[21:36] <z``core> lol
[21:36] <z``core> throwing it out the window hmm
[21:36] <z``core> okies
[21:36] <z``core> ty
 @dohbee, I just try to adapt halium for oneplus 3 then install ubport and tweaks ubport to incorporate anbox but i'm not a good developer it's just a project
 @Kenneth, The documentation for porting is on the site I linked. Also there is halium.org iirc.
 Also also, there's already work happening on the op3
 Thx
[22:10] <fuseteam> hey guys imagine using this with convergence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8za_4g5zCOM
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[21:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue717 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue717 .
[21:37] <krytarik> Bashing-om: While I have no particular issue with including the Kylin article, since there is precedence of articles in further languages other than English that we included, are we even sure the title of the article translates to English like that?..  Other than trusting how Google translates it that is? :3
[21:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Google translate (for English readers) is the best I can do. Our original Kylin contributor has not checked back in on Gdoc.
[21:42] <krytarik> Well, that's unfortunate..
[21:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Usuns is a lonely bunch :(
[21:45] <krytarik> Given how Google translates the intro text, I'm not even sure it's that much worth to include though..
[23:38] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: How to Make Spotify’s Desktop App Look Great with Custom Themes @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/spicetify-change-spotify-app-theme (by Joey Sneddon)
[23:41] <guiverc> s/5PM UT/5PM UTC/ in heading; UWN The Hub Bashing-om
[23:42]  * guiverc hasn't amended gdoc; can add it there but it's not currently open
[23:42] <guiverc> also s/( Yaru)/(Yaru)
[23:46]  * guiverc finally admits I've been fighting bad USB ports on this box causing my frequent keyboard/mouse issues
[23:50] <guiverc> given english is the usual language; the non-english Kylin in the UWN looks like a mistake to em..   I'd opt drop; or at least make quotes before/after consistent (remove space before last)


[13:32] <Rafik> hi all
[13:33] <Myrtti> hello
[13:33] <Rafik> I requested the /u/m cloak yesterday two minutes after fta, it was done for him and not for me
[13:33] <Rafik> so I wanted to know if there is any problem with my nick
[13:33]  * Myrtti pokes nalioth,PriceChild with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[13:33] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[13:33] <Rafik> :)
[13:38] <Myrtti> you've completed all the steps in the nicksetup?
[13:39] <Rafik> yep, all done :)
[13:40] <Myrtti> and what's your launchpad page URL?
[13:42] <Rafik> here : https://launchpad.net/~rafik
[13:59] <jpds> (He was here yesterday).
[14:00] <Myrtti> he was - but now the stuff needed isn't so far away in nals or priceys backlog :-D
[14:08] <elkbuntu> Rafik, it takes time to get your cloak and depends how busy people are. it's not instant.
[14:33] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: on mob have you checked rafik?
[14:34] <filo1234> hi all
[14:37] <Myrtti> Rafik: congratulations
[14:37] <PriceChild> Myrtti: ?
[14:37] <Myrtti> on his membership
[14:39] <PriceChild> ah done, nevermind
[14:46] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, sorry, was reinforcing one the boxes the cds come in to... it requires alot of tape.
[14:58] <Rafik> hi, sorry I was afw
[14:59] <Rafik> Myrtti, thank you
[15:00] <Rafik> elkbuntu, i'm just asking because we were two members applying yesterday, it was done for one, not for my so I came asking if there was a problem with my nick
[15:00] <Myrtti> [17:00] *** Rafik [n=rafik@ubuntu/member/rafik]
[15:00] <nalioth> Rafik: /whois yourself
[15:00] <Myrtti> whee \o/
[15:00] <Rafik> :)
[15:00] <Rafik> thanks all :)
[15:42] <filo1234> guys say me an opinion<EMAIL_ADDRESS> is same<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  ???
[15:42] <Myrtti> no
[15:42] <Pici> filo1234: ? is a 1 character wildcard.
[15:43] <filo1234> ok
[15:43] <filo1234> first isn't correct?
[15:44] <filo1234><EMAIL_ADDRESS><------incorrect
[15:44] <filo1234><EMAIL_ADDRESS><--------correct?
[15:45] <Pici> hostmasks on freenode will either be in the form: foo!n=bar@something or foo!i=bar@something
[15:46] <Pici> So you're always better off doing something to the effect of: foo!?=bar@* or similar.
[15:46] <Pici> It all depends on whether they have identd running
[15:46] <filo1234> ok
[15:47] <filo1234> *!?=lol@* is correct
[15:47] <filo1234> ok
[15:47] <Pici> Yes.
[15:47] <filo1234> or *!?=*lol*@* is correct
[15:47] <filo1234> better
[15:48] <Pici> That all depends on the situation.
[15:51] <filo1234> i thinking wich ? was 0 too
[17:21] <K99Brain> Hi all
[17:21] <filo1234> hi
[17:22] <Myrtti> hello K99Brain
[17:22] <K99Brain> I have a question about ubotu. How it's possible to delete a factoid from the daatbase?
[17:22] <K99Brain> the !forget command don't delete definitively
[17:23] <K99Brain> there is a command like !del or r!remove or something like?
[17:24] <Myrtti> are you talking about supybot or ubottu specifically?
[17:25] <K99Brain> ubutu, ubut-it to be more precise
[17:25] <K99Brain> i'm an op in the italian channel
[17:25] <Myrtti> a-ha
[17:28] <K99Brain> ehm, ubot-it not ubut-it -.-' sorry
[17:28] <K99Brain> which is the same as ubotu
[17:29] <Myrtti> no, it's a clone of ubottu, not necessarily even very updated one
[17:29] <Myrtti> (lets be precise!)
[17:31] <K99Brain> ok, I don't know is it's exactly the last version...but the question is: there is a command that delete a factoid from its database? not like !forget that only hide...
[17:32] <Myrtti> unless you're the administrator of the bot, I highly doubt you could use it even if such command did exist
[17:33] <K99Brain> mmmh
[17:33] <K99Brain> ok
[17:35] <K99Brain> so, if I create a factoid, for example with "!test is <reply> something", it will remail forever
[17:35] <K99Brain> remain*
[17:42] <K99Brain> LjL, ciao, maybe you know something about?
[17:50] <jussi01> K99Brain: !forget <factoid>
[17:51] <filo1234> jussi01: but forget doesn't delete command, only leave factoid in stanby on bot
[17:51] <Pici> No one can use it though.
[17:52] <Pici> Why is that an issue?
[17:52] <jussi01> correct
[17:52] <Myrtti> I'm a bit curious what is such a factoid that has to be totally erased
[17:53] <filo1234> Myrtti: whoami
[17:53] <Pici> eh?
[17:53] <Myrtti> !whoami
[17:53] <jussi01> filo1234: if the factoid content is that bad, why not just change it then forget it?
[17:53] <filo1234> whoami is the factoid wich we want to remove from bot because is wrong
[17:54] <filo1234> Myrtti: ok i see you
[17:54] <K99Brain> for an error we have created a factoid whoami which is also a command of ubot-it
[17:54] <filo1234> Myrtti: 18:17 <+K99Brain> !-whoami
[17:54] <filo1234> 18:17 <+ubot-it> K99Brain
[17:54] <filo1234> 18:17 <+ubot-it> whoami has no aliases - added by Odo on 2008-05-21 16:16:28
[17:55] <jussi01> just change the character you address the bot for commands to different than the factoids
[17:55] <Myrtti> this is still making very little sense
[17:55] <jussi01> @whoami
[17:55] <jussi01> see
[17:55] <jussi01> !whoami
[17:56] <jussi01> set this variable to @ or something other to ! @config  supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
[17:56] <jussi01> @config  supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
[17:57] <K99Brain> mmh, ok. For this we will ask to the bot administrator
[17:58] <K99Brain> however, a !del command doesn't exixt...
[17:58] <jussi01> so that one should not be set the same as @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar
[17:59] <jussi01> K99Brain: also, the ubuntu bot people are in #ubuntu-bots if you need us ;)
[17:59] <K99Brain> jussi01, ah, ok. I didn't know that channel
[17:59] <K99Brain> thank you :)
[18:24] <marco_> could i ask 1 thing?
[18:24] <jpds> marco_: Sure. What is it?
[18:25] <marco_> why i can only hibernate my pc and i don't have stand-by option? (sorry for my bad english)
[18:26] <Pici> marco_: This is not a support channel (see /topic).  Please join #ubuntu and ask there.
[18:26] <marco_> ok
[18:26] <marco_> sorry
[18:26] <Pici> :)


[07:23] <hrw> the person who integrate quilt into rpm building for applying patches (or other patch management system) would be god... playing with patches in spec file suxx
[17:19] <ahs3> hrw: hrm.  good idea...and you're right: that would be god-like...
[17:20] <ogra_> hrw, just use a sane package format and you dont need to bother :P
[22:21] <theradman> Hi all, I installed ubuntu-raring-13.04 on my beaglebone, and when I log into via microhdmi, it is soley command line based.  Is there a way to install a gui without reinstalling a new os image?  (e.g. gnome)


[00:00] <Flannel> IdleOne: /notice, pings the entire channel (in irssi it's purple by default)
[00:00] <IdleOne> ok so he was sending /notice to the channel
[00:00] <IdleOne> I see now
[00:00] <knome> IdleOne, you can test by /notice blahblah
[00:00] <knome> IdleOne, ;]
[00:00] <Flannel> IdleOne: Some clients make it stupidly easy to do with a stray click, etc, which I was under the impression that he was trying one out.
[00:00] <IdleOne> /notice the notice I just failed to notice the channel
[00:01] <IdleOne> :)
[00:01] <knome> :)
[00:03] <Flannel> IdleOne: If you're going to do that, forward him here
[00:03] <IdleOne> Flannel: I forget the forward option all the time sorry
[00:03] <Flannel> IdleOne: ban-on-first-offense generally isn't a good idea in general
[00:03] <Flannel> IdleOne: No worries
[00:04] <IdleOne> I need to figure out how to edit the xchat right click menu
[00:05] <IdleOne> then again I don't use it so..
[00:07] <IdleOne> Flannel: would it be ok to test a kick forward on you in #ubuntu?
[00:08] <IdleOne> maybe #ubuntu-unregged would be better
[00:08] <Flannel> IdleOne: No, but I'll give you one, hold on.
[00:08] <IdleOne> give me a kick?
[00:08] <IdleOne> lol sure go ahead
[00:09] <IdleOne> I don't think I have ever been kicked from #u
[00:09] <Flannel> IdleOne: movingTarget
[00:09] <knome> haha
[00:10] <Flannel> IdleOne: (thats a person in #u you can forward)
[00:10] <knome> camelCase :)
[00:10] <Flannel> knome: Mhmmm
[00:10] <IdleOne> hmmm why is it not working though
[00:10] <knome> !fail | IdleOne
[00:11] <IdleOne> ahh ok got it
[00:11] <IdleOne> thanks for the target
[00:11] <Flannel> IdleOne: that's just a ban, not a forward though
[00:12] <Flannel> er
[00:12] <Flannel> Oh, floodbot.
[00:12] <IdleOne> IdleOne sets ban on *!~424ac568@gateway/*$#ubuntu-ops
[00:12] <Flannel> IdleOne: Yeah, that looks good for a proxy user
[00:12] <IdleOne> that is correct ?
[00:12] <IdleOne> ok thanks
[00:14] <IdleOne> you know, actually reading the script you use is helpful
[00:14] <IdleOne> :)
[00:14] <Flannel> er,
[00:14] <Flannel> IdleOne: second one probably wasn't what you wanted
[00:14] <Flannel> (removal)
[00:15] <IdleOne> I wanted to remoce the ban
[00:15] <IdleOne> remove
[00:15] <Flannel> IdleOne: you removed it, and then you removed: 16:14 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-b *!*@gateway/web/*$#ubuntu-proxy-users] by IdleOne
[00:15] <knome> oops ;)
[00:15] <IdleOne> not good?
[00:16] <IdleOne> reset it
[00:16] <IdleOne> please
[00:16] <IdleOne> so I don't mess it up again
[00:16] <IdleOne> lol
[00:16] <knome> :D
[00:16] <Flannel> Oh, bugger.
[00:16] <Flannel> I can't.  We really need to set proxy-users +F
[00:17] <Flannel> Wait
[00:17] <Flannel> I am though.
[00:17] <Flannel> strange.
[00:17] <Flannel> alright, fixed.
[00:18] <IdleOne> proxy-users is +F I thought
[00:18] <IdleOne> thanks
[00:19] <Flannel> maybe it's +f then, I don't know.
[00:19] <Flannel> But, whats even stranger is that I *am* an operator in that channel (and once I joined, it worked)
[00:21] <IdleOne> what i don't get is that chanserv.py removed both those bans even though I did /cs unban nick
[00:27] <tsimpson> IdleOne: because '/cs unban nick' removes all bans matching the nick!ident@host
[00:28] <IdleOne> tsimpson: makes sense. not practical for #ubuntu
[00:28] <tsimpson> it's a special case
[01:21] <Flannel> IdleOne: You trying to have a forward? or not?
[01:22] <funkHat> fun
[01:22] <Flannel> IdleOne: pt vs tp
[01:23] <funkyHat> Flannel: did you mean me?
[01:23] <Flannel> erm, I suppose I did.
[01:23] <Flannel> And it looks like it's in place, even if I don't see it, so ignore me.
[01:24] <funkyHat> hehe
[01:24] <funkyHat> whoising: can we help you?
[02:25] <funkyHat> uLinux sent me a message through the contact form on my blog with the subject "fuck" and the content ":)"
[02:26] <IdleOne> heh
[02:26] <IdleOne> you got a stalker
[02:26] <IdleOne> congrats
[02:26] <IdleOne> according to elky that makes you officially an op
[02:26] <funkyHat> heh
[02:36] <IdleOne> goddard has been given the guidelines and CoC links plenty of times in #u and #-ot, enough is enough just ban
[02:38] <funkyHat> He are ban.
[02:39] <IdleOne> yeah I type here and then look there and you did what i wanted to do
[02:51] <funkyHat> ⢁)
[03:20] <Amaranth> I don't have a stalker yet
[03:20] <Amaranth> Am I doing it wrong or are you?
[03:24] <Prv1stClsOne> Amaranth: NO U
[03:24] <Amaranth> Prv1stClsOne: Can I highlight you yet?
[03:25] <Prv1stClsOne> yes
[03:25] <funkyHat> Prv1stClsOne: damn is fine by my reckoning
[03:25] <Prv1stClsOne> damn is a swear word. I got slapped for it once.
[03:25] <Prv1stClsOne> but only once
[03:25] <Prv1stClsOne> :)
[03:25] <Prv1stClsOne> damn did it hurt
[03:26] <funkyHat> haha
[04:06] <IdleOne> -oheyu- VERSION mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[04:06] <IdleOne> that is not the default font for mirc
[04:07] <bazhang> lets get back on topic ; enough about oheyu 's font
[04:08] <IdleOne> just saying, distracting as all but I was able to read it fine and he was typing in English properly
[04:09] <bazhang> IdleOne, ??
[04:09] <IdleOne> yes?>
[04:10] <bazhang> the !leet was completely unnecessary and not helping the channel get back on topic
[04:10] <IdleOne> the leet was for hufx
 bazhang:  0|{ 1 w1�� 7r� 70 h3�p 07h3r$
[04:11] <IdleOne> if that was not leet speak I don't know what it was
[04:11] <bazhang> yes I saw.  that was not a good response.
[04:12] <maco> IdleOne: it might be the default font if you have the computer set in japanese mode
[04:12] <IdleOne> ok, when does the !leet factoid come into play?
[04:13] <bazhang> NEVER
[04:13] <IdleOne> so then why do we have it?
[04:13] <maco> thats how stuff looks if you choose to type english words while using SCIM or iBus or whatever
[04:15] <IdleOne> maco: I was able to read his text, was not the normal font I am used to seeing but there was no trolling in what he was saying.
[04:15] <maco> yeah so could i
[04:15] <IdleOne> people just freaked because some couldn't read it
[04:15] <maco> because i have lots of japanese stuff installed
[04:17] <bazhang> !forget leet
[04:21] <IdleOne> bazhang: may I msg you?
[04:26] <IdleOne> never mind
[04:30] <bazhang> IdleOne, no need to ask, /msg whenever you wish
[04:31] <bazhang> finally got hufx to join -ot
[05:16] <bazhang> !forget 1337
[05:17] <SpaceGhostC2C> I was just wondering, do we acknowledge leet as a language now? Do we have a channel for it?
[05:24] <bazhang> SpaceGhostC2C, was there something else you needed here?
[05:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> bazhang: just a question answered.
[05:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> Waiting on that
[05:25] <bazhang> then, no. no #ubuntu leet channels
[05:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> that was a second question
[05:26] <bazhang> I'd suggest you work out your issue with hufx in a more amicable manner than coming here.
[05:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> bazhang: I don't think you're quite where I am on this. I couldn't care less about him. I'm asking about the leet factoid and it being no longer present.
[05:27] <bazhang> SpaceGhostC2C, yes, it was removed.
[05:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> Interesting change. I suppose that's all then. Do try to have a good day. :)
[05:27] <bazhang> as was @lart, and other sillier factoids
[05:45] <bazhang> alexbobp, hi
[05:46] <alexbobp> bazhang: hi
[05:46] <bazhang> alexbobp, something you need help with?
[05:47] <alexbobp> bazhang: I was wondering if anybody knows why Anastasius is banned from #ubuntu
[05:47] <bazhang> alexbobp, ask her to join here
[05:48] <alexbobp> bazhang: okay, thanks
[05:52] <alexbobp> Anastasius: lol, takin' your time
[05:52] <Anastasius> Hello.  Perhaps you might tell me why I'm banned from #ubuntu-offtopic.  kthx.
[05:53] <Anastasius> Or am I muted?
[05:53] <Anastasius> *knock knock knock* Hello?
[05:53] <bazhang> alexbobp, could you part the channel please, if there is nothing further?
[05:53] <alexbobp> bazhang: okay
[05:53] <Anastasius> Yeah, so?
[05:54] <bazhang> Anastasius, you are not banned in #ubuntu that I can see
[05:54] <Anastasius> No, #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:54] <bazhang> ah right
[05:55] <Anastasius> Who laid down the ban and why?  When?
[05:56] <bazhang> nearly a year ago
[05:56] <Anastasius> I was going to say, I haven't been there in nearly a year.
[05:56] <bazhang> that would be the reason
[05:56] <Anastasius> What would be the reason?
[05:57] <Anastasius> *knock knock knock* bazhang?
[05:58] <Anastasius> Is this thing on?
[05:58] <bazhang> Anastasius, please read the code of conduct and the guidelines for Ubuntu channels
[05:58] <bazhang> !coc | Anastasius
[05:58] <bazhang> !guidelines | Anastasius
[05:59] <Anastasius> Hey, I know all about the cock.
[05:59] <bazhang> ?
[05:59] <Anastasius> What's your point?
[05:59] <mneptok> Anastasius: such bejhavior will not get you unbanned.
[05:59] <bazhang> you were banned from -ot for a reason.
[06:00] <Anastasius> I don't want to be unbanned.  I just want to know what triggered the ban in the first place.  Did I say 'wtf' or something?
 snuxoll:  Will you go out with me?
[06:00] <Anastasius> And what was the reason, pray tell?
[06:00] <Anastasius> That was it?
[06:00] <bazhang>  snuxoll:  Are you familiar with the character of Nelly Oleson from "Little House on the Prairie"?
[06:00] <bazhang> and a bit more
[06:01] <Anastasius> And I got banned permanently for that, eh?
[06:01] <witeshark> Hello here
[06:02] <Anastasius> bazhang, make your responses more timely, I'm headed to bed soon.
[06:02] <bazhang> Anastasius, please read the documents linked above
[06:02] <bazhang> witeshark, hi
[06:03] <bazhang> any -ot ops around? want to check in with hufx
[06:03] <Anastasius> I already told you I know all about the cock.  I got banned for insulting snuxoll?  snuxoll of all people?  Seriously?
[06:03] <witeshark> bazhang:  Hi, just a look here, nice to meet you al
[06:03] <witeshark> *all
[06:03] <bazhang> witeshark, ok
[06:04] <Anastasius> You're ignoring me now, right?
[06:04] <bazhang> Anastasius, no. I've asked you to review those documents.
[06:04] <Anastasius> *sigh*
[06:05] <bazhang> witeshark, was there anything else? if not then please part the channel, thanks
[06:05] <Anastasius> bazhang:  Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
[06:07] <witeshark> bazhang: not really, just as I said, g'night!
[06:07] <bazhang> okay thanks witeshark
[06:07] <Anastasius> Hello?
[06:07] <bazhang> Anastasius, I don't see any reason to remove your ban in #ubuntu-offtopic at this point.
[06:08] <Anastasius> It's because he really is Nelly from Little House on the Prarie, right?
[06:08] <Anastasius> +i
[06:09] <Anastasius> Okay, frankly I've had enough of the runaround.  I'll be back tomorrow to talk to somebody important.
[06:13] <bazhang> Anastasius, please don't idle here.
[06:14] <Anastasius> Okay!
[06:25] <bazhang> is/was hufx Paddy_Ni ?
[06:26] <bazhang> hufx]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:26]  * mneptok shrugs
[06:38] <bazhang> not sure how git comes into using lucid-proposed
[07:49] <elky> bazhang, i don't think so.
[07:49] <bazhang> elky, okay, thanks
[08:16] <elky> When's the next IRCC meeting, I want to propose we get a lifetime supply of these made: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3193
[08:17] <mneptok> elky: i already wrote up a proposal for that in .doc format
[08:18] <mneptok> *sigh*
[08:18] <mneptok> |_ocke in #u
[08:19] <maco> mneptok: i was about to tell them off for language, but they noticed and said wrong channel so i think that means theyre not gonna do it again
[08:19] <mneptok> but it's |_ocke
[08:20] <maco> oh
[08:20] <maco> oooh yeah i have seen that person before
[08:20] <mneptok> we all have
[08:20] <mneptok> numerous times.
[08:21] <mneptok> since i'd get in trouble for just firing my rifle randomly in the neighborhood, i'll go sit in front of the PS3 and take out the frustration.
[09:07] <elky> that's |_ocke's usual excuse
[21:48] <jpds> Folks.
[21:49] <knome> Wagen.
[21:50] <jpds> Is it me, or is xelister in -bugs just annoying?
[21:50] <knome> yes, it's you who is annoying.
[21:50] <knome> honestly, i don't know since i don't idle there.
[21:54] <Pici> idiot
[21:55] <knome> who is?
[21:55] <Pici> The person who sent a notice to #ubuntu
[21:56] <knome> right
[21:56] <knome> i thought you meant me since that was kind of obvious, but okay ;)
[21:57] <Pici> jpds: are you talking to him or shall I?
[21:58] <knome> wasn't there an another guy who did notices, or is this the same?
[21:58] <Pici> Aparrently mteck /noticed u-offtopic last week
[21:58] <knome> yeah
[21:59] <jpds> Pici: I'm not.
[21:59] <Pici> k. I will.
[22:14] <ikonia> poutine: hello, how can we help ?
[22:15] <poutine> I am horny but cannot find suitable pictures/video to fap to
[22:15] <poutine> is there an apt-repository I should use?
[22:15] <ikonia> poutine: please leave this channel, it's clear you've just seen it mentioned in ##club-ubuntu and are here to troll, so just leave
[22:15] <IdleOne> Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and channel topics
[22:15] <ikonia> Anastasius: be with you in just one moment
[22:15] <Anastasius> k, thanks.
[22:16] <ikonia> poutine: please leave the channel if you are here to just be an issue
[22:17] <ikonia> sheesh, here we go again
[22:17] <ikonia> Anastasius: won't keep you
[22:17] <Anastasius> ikonia: Eh?
[22:18] <ikonia> Pici: thank you, Anastasius sorry, just had to get that user removed due to him just joining here after seeing it mentioned in ##club-ubuntu
[22:18] <Anastasius> Oh.    Seriously?
[22:20] <ikonia> Anastasius: ubuntu's (and -offtopic) has a pretty strict policy on topic and language (as I'm sure you know)
[22:20] <Anastasius> ikonia: Is it true that acronyms are now a bannable offense?  LIke wtf or whatever?
[22:21] <ikonia> Anastasius: all we need is really just a little more self control and hold back in comments, you're in ##club-ubuntu which has a much less strict rule base
[22:21] <ikonia> Anastasius: they are not banable, eg: you say them you're banned
[22:21] <ikonia> Anastasius: however, you're asked not to use them, people know what they mean, and don't need to see them
[22:22] <Anastasius> ikonia:  Oh, well I'm fine with being banned from there, I was just wondering why it happened in the first place.  And I grok the rules, which is why I don't visit official channels usually.
[22:22] <ikonia> ahhh ok
[22:23] <Anastasius> We cool?
[22:23] <ikonia> apologies, I thought you wanted to resolve it, but yeah, that's pretty much the reason (not wtf)
[22:23] <ikonia> fine
[22:23] <ikonia> totally fine
[22:23] <Anastasius> Good.  Thanks for actually being of help.  :)
[22:24] <ikonia> no problem, happy to help. If you want to resolve it at a later date, please revisit the channel
[22:24] <Anastasius> Cool, thanks.
[22:24] <ikonia> welcome
[22:24] <Anastasius> See, I can even leave now without being shoved out.  :)
[22:24] <IdleOne> have to respect someone who chose to disagrees with the rules but also avoids the channels he/she doesn't like the rules that are set
[22:25] <IdleOne> That was refreshing to see
[22:25] <ikonia> he's been nothing but polite to me
[22:26] <IdleOne> I saw
[22:27] <IdleOne> he wanted to know why and accepted the reason without being impolite or using foul language. He actually followed the rules he disagreed with while here
[22:27] <ikonia> I've had no personal issues with him at all, he's very receptive to conversation
[22:29] <IdleOne> I have to ask though, how do you and others from the op team/bot team keep a cool hand in that channel all the while following to CoC?
[22:30] <Tm_T> that channel?
[22:30] <ikonia> mega, paldines off on a rant in ##club-ubuntu, he's been speaking to canonicals lawers to get the logging stopped or something
[22:30] <Flannel> Which logging?
[22:31] <IdleOne> ikonia: lol
[22:31] <IdleOne> the logging of #u
[22:31] <Tm_T> why they wanted it stopped?
[22:31] <ikonia> Flannel: all ubuntu channels
[22:31] <IdleOne> they may as well press charges against all/most of us
[22:31] <ikonia> I don't know or care, paladines on some sort of quest
[22:31] <Flannel> ikonia: All Ubuntu channels aren't logged.
[22:31] <IdleOne> I log the channel for personal use
[22:31] <Pici> Yes, he sent an email to the ircc about it.
[22:32] <Flannel> Or are we just referring to the ones that are?
[22:32] <Pici> We refered him to canonical legal because he was threatening to bring a lawyer in on it.  Something about UK privacy laws or something.
[22:32] <jpds> Whatever, it's the Internets ere.
[22:33] <funkyHat> Oh, what a shame Canonical isn't a UK company...
[22:33] <jpds> funkyHat: We are.
[22:33] <ikonia> Pici: yeah yeah, what ever
[22:33] <tonyyarusso> Freenode's based in the UK now though aren't they?
[22:33] <funkyHat> jpds: Isle of Man I thought
[22:33] <jpds> tonyyarusso: Yes.
[22:33] <Pici> ikonia: just saying that we know about it already :)
[22:34] <ikonia> Pici: no no, I'm just laughing at the stance of it being a survellence complaint
[22:34] <jpds> I'm with ikonia.
[22:34] <Pici> oh, yeah, like people in the UK all of a sudden have a problem with surveillence?
[22:34] <ikonia> the guys clearly got issues he needs to work out
[22:38] <jpds> I'm pretty sure stuff like the DPA doesn't apply to irclogs.
[22:38] <jpds> Anyway, IANAL.
[22:39] <Tm_T> not to mention those two services collecting the logs
[22:51] <LjL> hi i sent someone here who was asking about the webchat redirection to -proxy-users, though i might be qualified to asnwer that
[22:52] <LjL> assuming they join that is.
[22:54] <LjL> i guess not
[22:54] <LjL> ./part
[22:54] <ikonia> too quick
[23:29] <ikonia> Flannel: what's going on ??
[23:29] <Flannel> Meh.
[23:30] <Flannel> LjL is extrapolating things to absurdity, so I asked him to stop acting like an idiot.
[23:30] <IdleOne> dinner time
[23:32] <Flannel> "I want to retain my LoCo members privacy" to which he accuses me of running a "secret club" where people are censored to not being able to speak about things
[23:35] <funkyHat> Or he's trying to highlight how difficult it is to make a distinction between "public logging" and mentioning something that was said on IRC


[03:20] <nigelb> rsajdok_: no, it doesn't mean the patch was forwarded
[03:20] <nigelb> Debian PTS just queries LP for bug list and shows the number of bugs there too