[02:26] <pleia2> there, did team reports finally (hadn't done any since December, oops)
[05:56] <ochosi> morning everyone
[06:17] <elfy> morning
[06:23] <ochosi> hm, the tracker doesn't look too bad
[06:24] <elfy> ochosi: nope - nothing there that's unexpected :)
[06:24] <elfy> apart from a new name \o/
[06:25] <ochosi> a new name?
[06:25] <ochosi> you mean a new tester?
[06:26] <elfy> yea
[06:26] <ochosi> good to see how the tester-situation has improved over this cycle
[06:27] <ochosi> our initiatives were not in vain, it seems
[06:27] <elfy> it's getting there for sure
[14:36] <krytarik> bluesabre: LP bug 1446259.
[16:11] <micahg> someone need an upload?
[16:14] <micahg> krytarik: ^^
[16:14] <krytarik> micahg: Yes, that'd be us - xubuntu-docs, please. :)
[16:18] <slickymasterWork> pretty please also micahg ;)
[16:19]  * micahg wonders why bzr tags aren't being used regularly...
[16:21] <micahg> I'm taking a look at the changes now
[16:21]  * micahg thinks he needs more coffee before reading make files
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> lol micahg, blame krytarik
[16:22]  * genii makes a fresh pot of high-octane coffee and passes the mugs around
[16:22] <micahg> thanks genii :)
[16:22] <genii> Heh, any time!
[16:23]  * drc wonders why someone doesn't invent a coffee hookah?
[16:27] <micahg> krytarik: new line 38 replaces the TRANSLATIONS variable as opposed to what old line 27 did, is that what is supposed to happen? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/revision/361/Makefile#Makefile
[16:37] <krytarik> micahg: In both of those, the TRANSLATIONS variable is set - however, with the new one it's not expanded immediately - that's basically the fix.
[16:38] <micahg> right, ook
[16:43] <micahg> can I assume we want to include the new translations updates as well
[16:45] <slickymasterWork> yes you can micahg
[16:49] <krytarik> micahg: There is nothing new today so far though.
[16:50] <slickymasterWork> what about that string in ES krytarik?
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> The one about mentioning the risks of password reuse more clearly that sidi reworded
[16:51] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Trickled in with this morning's sync already - along with some FR stuff.
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> ooh, ok
[16:52]  * slickymasterWork will have to create a spreadsheet to keep tags of krytarik's daily doings
[16:57] <slickymasterWork> knome did you forget https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/vivid/+pots/desktop-guide/fi/+translate?show=untranslated
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> elfy, in your opinion is bug 1445622 sufficient to mark a Live Test as failed?
[17:08] <elfy> nope
[17:08] <micahg> krytarik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10857109/
[17:08] <slickymasterWork> my thoughts exactly
[17:12] <micahg> ok, will finish review and upload after coffee
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> elfy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1443525
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> elfy, Does that affect Xubuntu?
[17:22] <pleia2> knome: thanks, I'll post to other social medias
[17:27] <knome> pleia2, cheers
[17:27] <knome> slickymasterWork, no, i just didn't get to it yet
[17:28] <slickymasterWork> I was sure you wouldn't forget it knome
[17:28] <knome> i can likely handle it now...
[17:29] <slickymasterWork> great knome
[17:31] <elfy> flexiondotorg: no idea - no way to tell either
[17:32] <elfy> slickymasterWork: imo - if a file was still after rebooting a livesession - that might be sufficient to mark something
[17:33] <slickymasterWork> well that was on a live session
[17:33] <elfy> yes - but it wasn't there when it rebooted
[17:35] <slickymasterWork> I passed the test but did marked the bug
[17:37] <elfy> yep
[17:42] <knome> slickymasterWork, pushed a new revision with the updated translation
[17:44] <slickymasterWork> great knome, everything is now as it should be :)
[17:47] <slickymasterWork> elfy what is the bug number for the the "vivid  fails to shutdown or reboot at end of installation when "reboot now" issue?
[17:47] <elfy> 1445587
[17:47] <slickymasterWork> danka
[17:47] <elfy> fix commited, so I'll be expecting a rebuild soonish
[17:48] <slickymasterWork> not just yet :P
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> micahg if you haven't upload yet, can you please take in consideration -> [18:42] <knome> slickymasterWork, pushed a new revision with the updated translation
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> so the FI translation would be 100% translated
[17:53] <micahg> ok, will do
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> great, thanks for that
[19:28] <micahg> hrm, I'm not seeing any difference in the languages updated between the builds, but I am seeing the new German files
[19:30] <krytarik> micahg: Yeah, they're currently in an automatic import loop. :P
[19:32] <elfy> well that's all the uprades and installs with at least a smoketest done now
[19:32] <elfy> looking good for rebuilds and the tracker being empty next :)
[19:34] <micahg> ok, I guess I'll upload what we have as it fixes the critical bug
[19:34] <elfy> hi micahg
[19:34] <micahg> sorry, was using wrong tool to check the file size differences
[19:34] <micahg> hi elfy
[19:36] <micahg> krytarik: any reason not to upload
[19:37] <krytarik> micahg: No, why would there? :)
[19:37] <micahg> idk :), ok, pushing the button, I'll also have a merge for the updated changelog
[19:37] <krytarik> Yep, thanks.
[19:40] <krytarik> micahg: Oh, because we were moving target this evening - no, should be all now. :P
[19:41] <micahg> https://code.launchpad.net/~micahg/xubuntu-docs/15.04.2-changelog/+merge/256856
[19:42] <krytarik> slickymaster: ^
[19:43] <astraljava> elfy: ochosi: I'm thinking that my HDD is just incredibly slow. Otherwise the installation seems to progress in a fairly expected way, but when it starts copying files, it grinds nearly to a halt. Still, I'm expecting this to finish in about an hour, if the progress bar holds true.
[19:43] <elfy> astraljava: thanks :)
[19:44] <ochosi> astraljava: right, sounds like "fun"
[19:44] <ochosi> i presume you're not using this laptop for anything else
[19:45] <elfy> not currently ...
[19:47] <astraljava> Other than listening to music on Spotify, and chatting here, no.
[19:47] <astraljava> I even reinstalled virtualbox packages, and did a fresh dist-upgrade, with a reboot prior to starting this. So it's as good as it can be. :)
[19:49] <astraljava> The playlist I'm listening to is stored offline, so it's not using network for that. I do presume it still polls for some other operations, though, but probably not in intervening amounts.
[19:50] <astraljava> Not all RAM is used, and none in swap.
[19:50] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Are there any thunar fixes we should backport to vivid?
[20:33] <astraljava> Okay, well it seems to work nicely now after all. Thanks for your patience and assistance! :)
[20:43] <knome> eh.
[20:43] <knome> this is why i never upgrade via the GUI
[20:44] <knome> now something is or isn't happening and i have no clue, since the GUI is gone.
[20:48] <knome> astraljava, did you upgrade the way the iso tracker told to?
[21:08] <astraljava> Upgrade? You mean after the installation?
[21:09] <knome> oh, i thought you were doing an upgrade
[21:09] <knome> nvm
[21:09] <astraljava> I'm not exactly doing this by the tracker books, as I gathered those tests were already concluded, no?
[21:09] <knome> nooo.
[21:09] <astraljava> Oh.
[21:10] <astraljava> So you mean I should report this?
[21:10] <knome> well depends on your ISO
[21:10] <knome> most likely yes
[21:10] <astraljava> It's desktop i386 straight install.
[21:10] <knome> from which day?
[21:10] <astraljava> Nothing fancy.
[21:11] <astraljava> jaska@glencoyne:~/Documents/Xubuntu/images 00:11:26 $ ll
[21:11] <astraljava> total 994308
[21:11] <astraljava> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jaska audio<PHONE_NUMBER> Apr 18 00:20 vivid-desktop-i386.iso
[21:12] <astraljava> So it's quite dated.
[21:12] <knome> 20150417.1
[21:12] <astraljava> Is that good?
[21:12] <knome> that's the current target
[21:12] <astraljava> Ok, I'll check the tracker, then.
[21:13] <knome> it's most likely good
[21:13] <astraljava> After the vm done updating initramfs... *sigh*
[21:13] <knome> ;)
[21:13] <astraljava> Yeah, it's much swifter this way, fresh after a reboot, but it's still not fun per se.
[21:14] <knome> per se indeed
[21:14] <astraljava> *smirk*
[21:28] <slickymaster> thanks micahg
[21:35] <slickymaster> oh and btw micahg, the bzr tags weren't use, in this case, because unusually the bug just got filed after the fix have been commited
[21:46] <Unit193> So the changelog for xubuntu-docs was fixed, no?
[21:46] <Unit193> Good, it was.
[21:52] <bluesabre> thanks for picking that up micahg :)
[21:53] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: as far as I know, we've picked up the major one at least
[21:56] <bluesabre> Unit193: hola
[21:56] <Unit193> Howdy, bluesabre.
[21:58] <bluesabre> how's it going?
[22:00] <Unit193> Uhh, compared to last week?  Well enough.  You?
[22:02] <Unit193> Got too much stuff I don't want to do.
[22:03] <bluesabre> :)
[22:03] <bluesabre> I can relate to that
[22:05] <micahg> bluesabre: sure, np
[22:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: ah, only just noticed that there was a new thunar release... well that may change my answer :)
[22:59] <knome> there seems to be some wonkyness in lightdm, probably related to the dualmonitor setup
[22:59] <knome> i'll have to investigate this later when i have better time and am less tired
[22:59] <knome> it seems unrelated to the upgrade itself though, so not noted anything about that there
[22:59] <knome> (everything *works*, just not perfectly)
[23:00] <knome> bluesabre, you ever had a fast blinking cursor on lightdm?
[23:00] <knome> i believe it's loading something
[23:00] <knome> it might be doing some race conditions
[23:01] <knome> the dual-monitor layout is not correct when it first loads (eg. mouse wraps to right monitor when i drag it over the left border of the left monitor)
[23:01] <knome> then it does that blinking/twitching
[23:01] <knome> and then resets to the right layout with the user-specific wallpaper
[23:07] <bluesabre> knome: I've heard of a completely white screen issue which goes away by clicking or specifying a default monitor
[23:07] <knome> nope, not that
[23:07] <knome> i can see the default plymouth wallpaper
[23:07] <knome> and the login box and more
[23:07] <knome> the layout is just wrong
[23:08] <ali1234> what video driver?
[23:08] <knome> and - i'm not sure abuot this - but it's possible i can't type before this loading has happened
[23:08] <knome> nvidia
[23:08] <ali1234> proprietary?
[23:08] <knome> yes
[23:08] <ali1234> and you have a xorg.conf which contains your monitor layout?
[23:08] <knome> i've tried both with and without it
[23:09] <ali1234> does the wrong layout persist after login?
[23:09] <knome> no, it is correct after it has done that twitching thing, as i've said
[23:09] <ali1234> what if you log in fast? ;)
[23:09] <knome> what if i can't type before it has loaded the right layout?
[23:10] <ali1234> well
[23:10] <ali1234> the last time i saw wrong layout in lightdm it was caused by gsettingsd
[23:11] <ali1234> what happens is that xorg uses xorg.conf if it exists, but gsettingsd will attempt to load the user's layout from monitors.xml
[23:11] <ali1234> if it cant do that it will reset the layout to defaults, which are probably wrong
[23:11] <knome> likely...
[23:11] <ali1234> i cannot explain how the layout could be wrong when it loads up but then gets corrected
[23:11] <ali1234> because xorg always uses xorg.conf... obviously
[23:12] <ali1234> and things like gsettingsd only load up afterwards
[23:12] <knome> i mean, my right hand side is connected to the first port (whatever that means), so i guess that's the first guess for the leftmost one
[23:12] <ali1234> but perhaps if your xorg.conf is wrong (maybe gpu-manager deleted it again?) but your monitors.xml is right... that could be the cause
[23:12] <ali1234> no, it does not matter which port things are connected to
[23:12] <knome> well i also tested without a xorg.conf
[23:12] <ali1234> nvidia doesn't work like that. the default layout is determined by the type of monitor connected
[23:13] <ali1234> which is stupid because it means the monitor used for the bios is fixed regardless of which port you connect your monitors to
[23:13] <ali1234> but there's nothing we can do about that
[23:13] <ali1234> so... if you have no xorg.conf, what layout do you get?
[23:13] <knome> both xorg.conf and the gsettingsd conf (if that's what the xfce display dialog handles) are correct
[23:14] <ali1234> no, xfce display dialog does not use gsettings
[23:14] <ali1234> which is why the idea of gsettings always trying to load monitors.xml is so roken
[23:14] <ali1234> because gsettings doesn't even load in xfce, but lightdm loads it for a few things
[23:14] <ali1234> and it tries to reset your monitor layout by default
[23:14] <ali1234> i reported a bug about this ages ago and i think it was fixed
[23:15] <ali1234> i will try to find it
[23:15] <ali1234> bug 1283615
[23:17] <ali1234> so i discovered that ug because i ran unity-greeter to test something instead of gtk-greeter
[23:17] <micahg> BTW, someone will have to poke the release team to get the new xubuntu-docs accepted and then respin ISOs (can we do our own respins?)
[23:18] <ali1234> gsettingsd actually has modules for various things, and monitor layout is one of them
[23:18] <ali1234> lightdm doesn't load the monitor layout plugin, iirc
[23:18] <ali1234> sorry, gtk-greeter doesn't
[23:18] <bluesabre> micahg: yeah, I think me, ochosi, and elfy can respin
[23:18] <ali1234> but unity-greeter doesnt specify modules
[23:18] <knome> and me, but for other reasons...
[23:18] <bluesabre> and knome
[23:18] <knome> i'll leave it to you ;)
[23:19] <knome> bluesabre, again it should be everybody in ~xubuntu-release
[23:19] <bluesabre> I can poke, but usually I get ignored until I go to work ;)
[23:19] <bluesabre> knome, yup
[23:19] <micahg> anything else need to be uploaded or fixed before release?
[23:20] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-release/+members#active
[23:21] <knome> ali1234, thanks for the insight... i got to look at this with better time and eyes x.x
[23:21] <bluesabre> micahg: I think we're in good shape as far as I can tell
[23:21] <micahg> ok
[23:21] <ali1234> this all might be a red herring. what i saw was pretty much the exact opposite of what you are seeing
[23:21] <bluesabre> there are things to upload, but not this late in the game :)
[23:22] <knome> ali1234, yeah, i will figure out what it is what's actually happening
[23:22] <bluesabre> knome: report a bug against gtk-greeter, andrew p did change quite a few things with monitor handling in the last release
[23:23] <knome> in the worst case, i guess i can create a monitors.xml file (if that's supposed to fix this)
[23:23] <knome> bluesabre, when i've looked at it, i will
[23:23] <bluesabre> cool
[23:24] <bluesabre> I'm going to go goof off for a bit, then come back and hack on xfce stuff
[23:25] <knome> hf goofing
[23:26] <bluesabre> will do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5wNX_mIraA
[23:29] <knome> lol, that was my mental image, literally...


[09:02] <rmg51> Morning
[11:36] <ChinnoDog> morning
[11:39] <brill> good morning everyone
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[12:21] <waltman> tahrs, unicorns, ...
[13:44] <adom> Canadians...
[13:48] <ChinnoDog> I am allergic to unicorns.
[15:00] <SamuraiAlba> join Ubuntu-US-NJ
[15:00] <SamuraiAlba> oops
[15:00] <SamuraiAlba> I need caffeine
[15:20] <pvl1> i has coffee
[15:22] <SamuraiAlba> coffee awesomes
[17:16] <MutantTurkey> waltman: does andy keep any sort of schedule of when he's at drexel?
[17:59] <waltman> MutantTurkey: Not that I know of, but he's around often.  Quite happy about that.
[21:03] <pleia2> hooray
[21:03] <JonathanD> pleia2: humble bundles also rock :D
[21:04] <JonathanD> Except for the fact I have more games than I can ever play now... even on linux!
[21:05] <pleia2> I only play console games anymore, even those I have little time for
[21:19] <JonathanD> I think we only have consoles to watch netflix.
[22:43] <waltman> JonathanD: it's because she's spending all her time making sure that you can play your games!


[13:24] <Garheade> Odd. Event Time Announcer is listing the Community Council meeting at 2 pm now... I wonder how I messed that up?
[16:05] <Garheade> Meeting started early on #ubuntu-meeting
[16:06] <FunnyLookinHat> That's the server team
[16:07] <Garheade> Ah. I see.
[16:08] <Garheade> I'm a bit of a virgin at this process
[16:08] <FunnyLookinHat> :)
[16:23] <nealmcb> This page was opened for editing or last previewed at 2012-10-16 09:21:09 by stokes91.
[16:23] <nealmcb> You should refrain from editing this page for at least another 9 minute(s), to avoid editing conflicts.
[16:24] <nealmcb> i.e. good news: just before I started editing the LoCo Council web page to add us, Alex did the same thing, I guess
[16:24] <nealmcb> Garheade: yeah - this is a good place to practice :)
[16:25] <Garheade> My browser crashed when looking at the page. I'll get out asap
[16:27] <Garheade> I should be out.
[16:30] <Garheade> Sorry, wrong chat
[16:32] <nealmcb> You're in!
[16:38] <Garheade> ??
[16:39] <nealmcb> Garheade: you said "I should be out", but here you are.    I think that's xchat sending '/who #chan' messages too fast.
[20:06] <kweinert> Why is the #ubuntu-meeting about the hungarian reapproval?  Am I just misunderstanding something here?
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> kweinert, two teams were on the agenda
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Hungarian and us  :)
[20:07] <Garheade> There are two LoCo's up for reaproval
[20:07] <kweinert> Ah, ok - thanks.
[20:15] <mfisch> do we need to say anything?
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Laura will ask the questions  :)
[20:16] <FunnyLookinHat> cz*
[20:25] <joey> btw, I just transfered the rest of rocks over to Nick. I think the site needs to be updated
[20:25] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah
[20:26] <med_> sorry.
[20:27] <mfisch> the main issue I have with the loco is time and driving to denver/boulder
[20:27] <mfisch> which is really a question of time still
[20:31] <Garheade> Ok, well, we have some work to do.
[20:32] <nealmcb> So much for "the oldest, continually active US loco team"....  But we'll be BAAAACK!
[20:32] <nealmcb> So much for "the oldest, continually active US state loco team"....  But we'll be BAAAACK!
[20:32] <joey> mfisch: +1
[20:33] <joey> nealmcb: +1
[20:33] <joey> I had a back channel with Laura going
[20:33] <joey> I'm hopeful that it meant the different between -1 and +0
[20:33] <joey> she noted the recent email rush
[20:33] <joey> and the number of folks attending today
[20:33] <joey> etc
[20:33] <joey> and carried that over to the loco council's back channel
[20:34] <nealmcb> But that's actually what my vote would have been, I think. Though maybe as a "stay alive just barely" rather than "expire"
[20:34] <joey> yeah me too
[20:34] <joey> I was hoping they might give us a 6 month extension but I guess they don't do that any longer
[20:35] <Garheade> Well, it didn't help, going after that other loco...
[20:35] <Garheade> It's like having a clown on stage after Galager.
[20:35] <nealmcb> We do have 'competition' from a plethora of other techie groups here.  So coordination with other groups would be great.  If I'd seen earlier that jim was talking to the LUG I would have told coloco....
[20:36] <nealmcb> 26000 members on their mailing list!
[20:36] <Garheade> And their wiki? I need more time in my days.
[20:37] <nealmcb> Garheade: or just clone yourself!  Much better long term....
[20:37] <mfisch> we should be able to get much more members from denver
[20:37] <Garheade> Eh... I think its better for the world if theres only one of me around.
[20:38] <Garheade> Well, we have 6 months to improve.
[20:42] <P05TMAN> Ok, we'll that was a disappointing meeting.
[20:43] <P05TMAN> *well
[20:48] <ToyKeeper> ... and I missed the meeting because a personal thing came up at exactly the same time.  My partner just got dropped from the last class she needs to graduate, because of bad luck and a very inflexible teacher.
[20:52] <Garheade> ToyKeeper: Sorry to hear that.
[20:54] <Garheade> I gotta bail for a bit. ttyl
[21:08] <P05TMAN> joey, nealmcb, is it possible that the reason that there are so few members on our list because they don't have a launchpad ID? Or do you have to have one in order to be in the mailing list in the first place
[21:09] <FunnyLookinHat> We have a ton on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~coloradoteam/+members
[21:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I think they saw "25+ Active Members" and "rounded down" so to speak
[21:09] <joey> we should probably add an expiry to the LP team
[21:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Next time we should probably say something like "nearly 300 members" and ignore the active status
[21:10] <FunnyLookinHat> joey, Is there a way to set a batch expiration on everyone and ask them to ping us ?
[21:10] <joey> yes. an admin can run a LP api script to do that
[21:11] <FunnyLookinHat> API, eh?
[21:11] <FunnyLookinHat> :D
[21:11] <joey> we need to figure out just what that should be though
[21:11] <joey> it's better I think to set everyone to expire and then re-up every X days..  365?
[21:12] <FunnyLookinHat> 365 should be good I'd think
[21:12] <FunnyLookinHat> What makes an 'active' member though?
[21:12] <FunnyLookinHat> You make a good point in your email - a few of us who are most passionate about ubuntu and whatnot are realistically the most busy ones and least likely to be able to make it to events.
[21:12] <joey> set in the mgt interface
[21:12] <FunnyLookinHat> We just spam the mailing list with our Ghost Hunting meeting invites...  ;)
[21:13] <joey> let me see what the API can do for us
[21:13] <joey> lol
[21:15] <P05TMAN> FunnyLookinHat Can't we have meetings/meet ups via Google+ hang outs? Even IRC would be good. It could be a start.
[21:16] <P05TMAN> :-D
[21:16] <FunnyLookinHat> P05TMAN, yeah totally
[21:16] <FunnyLookinHat> We've tried more IRC-ish meetings... but iirc, it was sort of a "Ok great, we're on IRC...  now what?"
[21:16] <FunnyLookinHat> meaning the most valuable conversation still happens via the mailing list
[21:17] <FunnyLookinHat> More frequent meetings in person that were more geographically distributed might be a good idea though
[21:17] <FunnyLookinHat> a la Alex's idea to do "coffee + ubuntu + _____" meetings
[21:18] <P05TMAN> I know that with my school and work schedule, it's hard for me to attend many events. I would love to contribute, however, in the best way possible. I can help document the goings on of any and all smaller group meetings and events, I'm just not really sure how. So if someone can show me what to do, i have plenty of time to keep that updated while at work.
[21:20] <FunnyLookinHat> P05TMAN, well, G+ hangouts are a good idea.. you should connect with Alex and see if you want to run game with those
[21:20] <FunnyLookinHat> Or anything of that sort.
[21:20] <FunnyLookinHat> de-centralized is key in a state like ours with people all over  :)
[21:20] <P05TMAN> Ok.
[21:21] <P05TMAN> And that shouldn't be too much of an issue if we can create our own CoLoCo Google+ hangout. It would make documentation easier too.
[21:36] <P05TMAN> sorry, closed connection an accident
[22:01] <joey> FunnyLookinHat: voila https://launchpad.net/~coloradoteam/+members
[22:08] <FunnyLookinHat> joey, THANKS!
[22:23] <nealmcb> Huh?  Why expire people?  Then there are fewer to be alerted of events....
[22:24] <nealmcb> joey: Unless we also send a message of what we expect from "active" members...
[22:25] <joey> don't confuse the LP team with the mailing list
[22:25] <joey> they are two separate membership lists
[22:25] <joey> and the forums is a third
[22:25] <nealmcb> but what's the point?
[22:25] <nealmcb> And without input from Alex?
[22:26] <joey> the point should be obvious
[22:26] <joey> what don't you get
[22:27] <joey> or the more pc way of saying that is, help me understand what you don't understand
[22:27] <nealmcb> Who is leading the team?    And I came here to see the conversation, which doesn't clarify anything for me
[22:29] <nealmcb> I thought the problem was the perception that we had too few members, a misperception
[22:29] <nealmcb> It may turn into reality as people hear the team is dead, officially
[22:30] <joey> yeah. the LP team is just a way of showing you like the group... it's not use for access control anywhere so the fact that we have 293 people on it doesn't mean much except for those collecting teams
[22:30] <joey> to show on their LP page
[22:30] <joey> but it is looked at in part during the approval process
[22:30] <nealmcb> collecting teams?
[22:30] <joey> so if we say we have 25 active and yet we have 293 on LP then there's a problem
[22:30] <joey> re collecting teams - people try to belong to as many teams as possible in LP to show their interest. Teams become a type of badge
[22:31] <nealmcb> Sorry, I still don't see exactly why
[22:31] <nealmcb> So how many are on the mailing list?
[22:31] <joey> I don't know but i could look
[22:31] <joey> actually I don't think I can
[22:31] <joey> I don't have privs to the ML
[22:31] <FunnyLookinHat> I do...
[22:31] <FunnyLookinHat> sec.
[22:31] <joey> I gave everything away when I stepped down
[22:32] <nealmcb> But my main point is that we should actually talk about it, make a plan, and have Alex involved
[22:32] <FunnyLookinHat> err
[22:32] <FunnyLookinHat> maybe I don't.
[22:32] <FunnyLookinHat> nealmcb, The problem was that we had a list of "293 members" on launchpad... and realistically we don't know how accurate that is.
[22:33] <FunnyLookinHat> So the best way to gauge our numbers is to expire everyone and let them all re-sub if they're still paying any attention... then go from there.
[22:33] <joey> I think Neal's point is that you and I FunnyLookinHat are not Alex and if we want Alex to be the leader we should block on him for every decision
[22:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah - agreed.
[22:33] <joey> I gave up blocking on ppl a long time ago
[22:33] <joey> I'd rather ask for forgiveness
[22:34] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah - I forgive you
[22:34] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[22:34] <joey> although frankly the way nealmcb is talking I might as well remove myself from the team :-)
[22:34] <nealmcb> There's a difference between blocking on people, and giving leaders a chance to chime in
[22:34] <joey> I clearly have lost touch
[22:35] <FunnyLookinHat> eh - so have I apparently  :)
[22:35] <joey> I'll email alex off list now about it
[22:35] <FunnyLookinHat> thx
[22:36] <nealmcb> Thanks.  Moving to some clarity on what the different mechanisms can and / or should be used for would help.  lp vs mailing list (which CAN be the same I think) vs others (and the whole nebulous connection to Kevin's group)
[22:37] <nealmcb> Catering to the communication preferences of the main communicators helps a lot, I figure
[22:37] <joey> sent
[22:38] <joey> I also suggested he reclaim the LP team ownership from Nick  :-)
[22:39] <nealmcb> I like the hangouts idea also.  We could add a google plus page to the mix.  Or say we have way too many kinds of ids and groups already....
[22:40] <FunnyLookinHat> LP / Wikis / Mailing Lists / etc. are all too much overhead for a group anyways.
[22:40] <nealmcb> But the main thing is some events and activities.....  So easy to spin out on the technology, certainly for me ;/
[22:40] <joey> FunnyLookinHat: +1
[22:40] <FunnyLookinHat> 1) What's the point of an LP team other than verification for CDs ?
[22:41] <nealmcb> Well I always it was supposed to be a good single-sign-on mechanism, but not sure if it actually functions well for that
[22:41] <FunnyLookinHat> 2) Mailing list: I get that we can use Canonical's resources - and that's great and gives us a bit of an official seal - but that was started before there were 1000 free email list services.
[22:41] <FunnyLookinHat> nealmcb, single-sign-on for what though?  Related to the LoCo it's more or less worthless.
[22:41] <nealmcb> and it does encourage actual lp membership which is an important hurdle for bug reporting etc
[22:42] <FunnyLookinHat> "Join the LP team!" "Why?" "I ... don't know."
[22:42] <joey> wow 16 presidential choices on the ballot
[22:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah I suppose.
[22:42] <FunnyLookinHat> joey, shut up, really ? what ballot ?
[22:42] <joey> just got the boulder general election ballot in the mail
[22:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[22:43] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm voting in person this year...  figured it'd be fun.  :)
[22:44] <nealmcb> sso for all kinds of things - anything launchpad can manage, wikis, anything a web page can do, given hooks to the sso, etc.  I HATE telling new members to separately get lp, irc, web page, and other ids for the sorts of collaboration we SHOULD be doing
[22:45] <FunnyLookinHat> What sort of collaboration do we need beyond email ?  As a baseline, I mean.
[22:47] <nealmcb> Again it comes down to what we're about.    If we try to do stuff like help with and promote Ubuntu, fix bugs, contribute to software, share ideas, hang out and collaborate online, then sso seems useful.  why else was it invented?
[22:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah good point.
[22:47] <FunnyLookinHat> We'll have to see what the team wants I suppose.  Thus far it's been release parties.
[22:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Case in point - that Ubuntu Hour meeting that about 15 people said they'd be at - NONE showed up.  Just System76ers ( and that was only because Fabian was visiting S76 )
[22:48] <FunnyLookinHat> That's ultimately why I stopped scheduling non-release-parties...  I got tired of waiting for 20-30 minutes and then leaving.
[22:48] <nealmcb> Ahh - wondered why I never got a response to my query about that
[22:48] <FunnyLookinHat> query ?
[22:49] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah - "Who all showed up?"
[22:49] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah I didn't want to say "nobody" and be a bummer  :)
[22:49] <nealmcb> mail on 2012-09-29 09:08 Neal "Who all showed up?  Any pictures?  :)"
[22:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyways - I'm heading out... :)
[22:50] <FunnyLookinHat> today was busy on IRC!
[22:56] <joey> at least I was honest and said I couldn't come to that :-)
[22:57] <P05TMAN> So, what happens to our IRC channel after 10/22...is it abolished
[22:57] <joey> nope
[22:57] <P05TMAN> That's good.
[22:58] <joey> email, LP team, irc, etc stay the same
[22:58] <joey> we just get removed off the official roster of approved teams
[22:58] <P05TMAN> oh.
[22:59] <nealmcb> ... which means we can't get some freebies from Ubuntu like CDs
[23:00] <P05TMAN> So we can all pitch in and buy bulk CDs from newegg. They're not too expensive.
[23:00] <joey> it's probably better for us to burn a few and run an install-a-thon like CLUE does
[23:01] <joey> last I checked the usb creator is broken on Quantal
[23:01] <joey> as are both my nvidia computers
[23:01] <P05TMAN> What is CLUE?
[23:02] <joey> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcluedenver.org%2F&ei=hed9UKPmBo7yrAHb4oCICQ&usg=AFQjCNE0g94q_g8PJuO8D0iRd13cEteBGQ
[23:02] <joey> eew
[23:02] <joey> sorry
[23:02] <joey> http://cluedenver.org/
[23:02] <P05TMAN> lol, much better
[23:04] <joey> the problem I had early on was justifying why we needed a dedicated Ubuntu team when we had such a vibrant set of LUGs
[23:04] <joey> and to this day I don't think any of the LUGs link to us
[23:06] <joey> ok I'm shutting down... I need a break
[23:06] <joey> see you all later
[23:06] <joey> I'll look for the hate mail in my inbox :-)
[23:06] <P05TMAN> bye...me too


[01:21] <bluesabre> zequence: We're planning on bringing in the stable xfce-4.12 release as it lands... wanted to check with the studio folks as well :)
[01:21] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887
[08:41] <zequence> bluesabre: Yeah, we won't object :)
[11:26] <bluesabre> zequence: We thought you might agree, thanks for the quick reply ;)


[16:51] <Goodies> Can you already ask questions for next session?
[16:53] <Goodies> I don't even think that you need to make it a live show. Just give us an area (twitter/reddit/discourse.ubuntu.com) where we can ask questions and you pick some and answer them
[16:55] <Goodies> I'm at work during those livestreams and can't join it and can't ask questions


[14:17] <oliver_> hm it would be interesting to get a list of GNOME apps which are available as snaps
[14:18] <oliver_> I'm aksing asking because I'm potentially interested in at try to build/maintain a GNOME snap app
[14:19] <oliver_> snaps seems to a quite good app format btw
[14:25] <oliver_> hm
[14:25] <oliver_> so if anyone have info about it I'm interested


[01:00] <mmikowski> Koobsicle: What are you upgrading from and to?
 20.04 -> 22.04.2 LTS
 Does it matter that my setup is dual boot?
[02:03] <mmikowski> Koobsicke: The distro upgrade process has gotten better at rolling back sources if there is a failure for any reason. So instead of leaving the system in a half-upgraded state, you will see that if the distro upgrade fails.
[02:04] <mmikowski> Koobsickle: Ok, that is fairly common. There are just so many things that can go wrong that sometimes its better to cut bait, back up your data, and then do a clean install.
[02:06] <mmikowski> That's what I generally recommend. I know, for lots of people upgrades work, but when they don't, using the alternative is usually a good choice instead of going down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out why the upgrade didn't work. Besides, a clean install is almost always better since there are no left-over system configs that can cause
[02:06] <mmikowski> unwanted surprises.
[06:11] <alkisg> Koobsicle, do you have any modified apt sources, such as PPAs? What's the output of this command? grep -r /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999
 Meh this is what I was afraid of. Not sure how this impacts if I have a dual boot machine (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> That's what I generally recommend. I know, for lots of people upgrades work, but when they don't, using the alternative is usually a good choice instead of going down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out why the upgrade didn't work. Besides, a clean install is almost always better since there are no left-over system con
 .bash_history:sudo wget -NP /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/jammy/winehq-jammy.sources
 .steam/debian-installation/ubuntu12_32/driverhelper.py:         self.sources_file = '/etc/apt/sources.list'
 .steam/debian-installation/ubuntu12_32/driverhelper.py:         self.sources_dir = '/etc/apt/sources.list.d'
 grep: Downloads/suit.log: Permission denied (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Koobsicle, do you have any modified apt sources, such as PPAs? What's the output of this command? grep -r /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999)
[06:33] <alkisg> Koobsicle, run this command and send us the output: grep -r . /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999
 https://bpa.st/Q2WHW (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Koobsicle, run this command and send us the output: grep -r . /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999)
[06:37] <alkisg> Koobsicle, this isn't what I asked though
[06:37] <alkisg> It doesn't list the contents of the .d directory, that's only a single file
[06:38] <alkisg> The asterisk in my command, including the -r, means "recurse into the sources.list.d directory, and tell us its contents"
 Well I ran the command you suggested that's the result (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Koobsicle, this isn't what I asked though)
[06:39] <alkisg> Koobsicle, no, you send us a single file, not the whole sources
 ?
[06:39] <alkisg> The apt sources are several files. You send us only one of them.
[06:40] <alkisg> Run the command, see the output, compare it with yours
[06:40] <alkisg> You'll understand then
 https://bpa.st/SFQDE
 How about now?
[06:42] <alkisg> Did that include -r? Do you have nothing inside /etc/apt/sources.list.d at all?
[06:42] <alkisg> Ah OK there they are
[06:43] <alkisg> OK, so you have amdgpu, zulu, oibaf, winehq, rocm, ernstp and kisak
[06:43] <alkisg> So it's quite possible that one of them is breaking the dependecies for the upgrade
[06:44] <alkisg> There are two solutions, one is to pinpoint which one it is, and the other is to undo all of them
[06:44] <alkisg> Let's try the first solution. Run sudo do-release-upgrade and tell us the terminal output when it stops
 Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[06:46] <alkisg> Do that then, sudo apt full-upgrade
 I've already ran sudo apt full-upgrade. It does nothing
[06:48] <alkisg> Pastebin the whole output of your terminal as it is now
[06:48] <alkisg> With both of these commands and their output
 so the command is sudo do-release upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade?
[06:49] <alkisg> sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade
[06:49] <alkisg> Run that ^ and pastebin the WHOLE terminal output
 https://bpa.st/64VWG
[06:51] <alkisg> Koobsicle, is there a problem in sharing? I do not see the commands in your paste, I only see a part of the output
[06:52] <alkisg> Please appreciate people trying to help you; they're not trying to exploit you; don't waste their time like that
[06:52] <alkisg> 2 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. ==> this is the issue there, but I don't see the packages because you only pasted part of the output
 Oh sorry, I'm just posting what is after the command you are providing
[06:54] <alkisg> What's the output of this? apt list --upgradable
 apt list --upgradable
 Listing... Done
 libvkd3d1/jammy 1.3~jammy-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.1-4]
 libvkd3d1/jammy 1.3~jammy-1 i386 [upgradable from: 1.1-4]
[06:55] <alkisg> And the output of this: sudo apt install libvkd3d1
 sudo apt install libvkd3d1
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[06:57] <alkisg> It looks like the oibaf ppa has broken your dependencies. You'll need to do the second method.
[06:57] <alkisg> 1) Remove all your additional apt sources: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /var/backups
[06:57] <alkisg> 2) Edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and remove the wine entry from there
[06:57] <alkisg> 3) Use google translate on this post: https://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=7370.0
 How do I do this? (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> 2) Edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and remove the wine entry from there)
[07:01] <alkisg> Pastebin that file so that we tell you a command instead of editing
[07:02] <alkisg> This command should do it: sudo sed '/winehq/d' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
 sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /var/backups
 skoob@skoob-System-Product-Name:~$ ppa purge
 Command 'ppa' not found, did you mean:
   command 'pda' from deb speech-tools (1:2.5.0-8build1)
   command 'poa' from deb poa (2.0+20060928-7)
   command 'gpa' from deb gpa (0.10.0-3)
[07:02] <alkisg> Koobsicle, if you're going to run your own commands, I can't help
[07:02] <alkisg> I didn't mention anything about ppa-purge
 Anyhow I ran this and it did not produce anything (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> This command should do it: sudo sed '/winehq/d' -i /etc/apt/sources.list)
 sudo sed '/winehq/d' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
 xxxxxx@xxxxx-System-Product-Name:~$
[07:05] <alkisg> Go on with the third step
[07:05] <alkisg> Koobsicle, it's ok, they're not supposed to produce any output
 /etc/apt/sources.list file
 bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[07:08] <alkisg> Koobsicle, I've no idea what you're trying to do
[07:08] <alkisg> OK forget reading the link, maybe google translate didn't work for you
[07:08] <alkisg> Run this:
[07:08] <alkisg> sudo -i
[07:08] <alkisg> printf "Package: *\nPin: origin *\nPin-Priority: 1001\n" > /etc/apt/preferences.d/50priorities
[07:08] <alkisg> sudo apt update
[07:08] <alkisg> sudo apt full-upgrade
[07:08] <alkisg> And at that point, don't press yes
[07:09] <alkisg> Pastebin the WHOLE terminal output, and wait for our input
 https://bpa.st/G7CFE
 So far, but still going
[07:19] <alkisg> Well I said "don't press yes", and you pressed "yes" :)
[07:20] <alkisg> But anyway it looks good, go on
 https://bpa.st/4QOU6
 finished
[07:21] <alkisg> Koobsicle, run this once more to see the error better: apt full-upgrade --yes
[07:21] <alkisg> And pastebin the output
 apt full-upgrade --yes
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Calculating upgrade... Done
 The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[07:22] <alkisg> Use pastebin when the output is more than 2 lines
 Hi fellow Plasma lovers! I have just installed Kubuntu 22.04! Can anyone tell me how to set up a wireguard connection in Kubuntu 22.04? Just the connection. I want to connect to a wireguard server somewhere else. Noob here. I have a configuration file that works beautifully on other operating systems (desktop and mobile). I have sudo apt installed wireguard but it still doesn’t set up the connection when I import the file in network man
 That's it btw it stopped there (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Use pastebin when the output is more than 2 lines)
[07:26] <alkisg> Koobsicle, only part of the things you pasted reached IRC
[07:27] <alkisg> Koobsicle, you're on telegram; I'm on matrix; we're communicating over IRC; I don't see all of the things you paste
[07:27] <alkisg> Koobsicle, paste the output in a pastebin, then tell us the url
 https://bpa.st/6S6JK
[07:28] <alkisg> Koobsicle, is there a prompt after line 19?
[07:29] <alkisg> Or did the command hang there, and it's still waiting?
 gave .... and the went to requesting a command if that's what you're asking
[07:31] <alkisg> Koobsicle, well hopefully if no output is missing, you're done now, you may proceed with the upgrade,
[07:31] <alkisg> rm  /etc/apt/preferences.d/50priorities; do-release-upgrade
[08:24] <skramer> How can I make sure windows remember their position and size and open there after reboot / after closing and re-opening? It used to work in 20.04 & works on the other laptop which wass upgraded from 20.04.
[08:24] <skramer> On this machine, however, they open in random positions and randdomly sized :(
[08:51] <user|71> Hi, having an issue with my terminal ATM. Arrow keys produce "ABCD" instead of the control sequences I would expect. Therefore I can't navigate in menus or retrieve command history. Anyone have an Idea what could cause this?
[09:23] <mmikowski> skramer: The best hack is probably to set the windows the way you like them, then log out (do NOT power down or reboot). Then log back in.
[09:24] <mmikowski> Kwin (?) does a better job at remembering app size and location in that case.
[09:25] <mmikowski> I frequent culprit is konsole windows which start far too small.
[09:25] <mmikowski> If that doesn't work for you (although it has for me), you can right click on the window bar and set "special window settings".
[10:55] <skramer> mmikowski: Thank you, I will try your suggested method. Although I never experienced such issues before. Seems to me that 22.04 is quite buggy on a fresh install.
[10:56] <skramer> mmikowski: The problem with graphics, then it randomly "forgets" the WLAN key, it logs me out of Konversation, ...
[10:59] <skramer> mmikowski: BTW, I have set graphics to perforrmance mode now. Not sure which settings I might have to adjust
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:35] <user|50> The documentation of 22.04.2 LTS is not available. It shows " 404
[14:35] <user|50> Sorry, but the requested resource was not found on this site. Please try again or contact the administrator for assistance." after clicking the link.
[14:35] <user|50> I hope I can read the documentation.
[14:45] <user|50> "https://kubuntu.org/support/_wp_link_placeholder" this link is not available but I can download Kubuntu Manual Documentation Release 22.04.2 from "https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual/releases/tag/v22.04.2"
 BTW ty for helping me last night. Really appreciate it. So the upgrade says it completed, but there were some errors (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> rm  /etc/apt/preferences.d/50priorities; do-release-upgrade)
 https://bpa.st/PBI3S
 Hoping it's okay to go ahead and restart
 Before restarting, run "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt full-upgrade" to see if any broken packages or incomplete updates.
 Hi
 How can i remove user name and host name from konsol to let it kust show the location?
 https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/100959/how-can-i-change-my-bash-prompt-to-show-my-working-directory
 Sh*t (re @DarinMiller: Before restarting, run "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt full-upgrade" to see if any broken packages or incomplete updates.)
 Gosh dang it I didn't do that and loaded up to black screen
 Great so now am I screwed? I rebooted and again to a black sceen (re @DarinMiller: Before restarting, run "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt full-upgrade" to see if any broken packages or incomplete updates.)
 do you have a mouse pointer or a prompt of any kind?
 Yes
 mouse pointer
 If you have a mouse pointer, try ctrl+alt+t to open a terminal
 No luck
 if that fails, try ctrl+alt+f1
 then run sudo apt update and sudu apt full-upgrade
 Still no luck
 Your plasma session is not feeling so well...
 :D
 Oh, sorry ctrl-alt-f2
 Okay that worked
 ctrl-alt-f1 returns to the DE.
 F'ing great I don't recall my login credentials this route
 your username is typically the first part of the prompt.  I have not idea how to help with the password...
 I need to run.. but assuming you remember your creds.  run the update commands above, ensure your plasma enviro is install by running: sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop plasma-desktop then try rebooting again.
 PHeeww that worked
 but full upgrade was interrupted
 dpkg says I need to run sudo dpkg —configure -a manually?
 Yes, do that but use sudo...
 then run full-upgrade
 Went thru the whole process only to end with Aborted
 Okay I was able to run sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop plasma-desktop, then rebooted
 Then was able to run sudo apt full-upgrade, then reboot
 Same result black screen with mouse pointer
[17:36] <mmikowski> skramer: Performance is you best bet for performance. Intel for powersave. Hybrid should generally be avoided since it actually uses more power at idle than performance or intel.  I think NV and Intel and system integrators push it because it meets certain energy star compliance requirements. But outside of some very specific use cases - like
[17:36] <mmikowski> wanting more VRAM for ML while displaying in Intel - it's just more trouble than it's worth IME.
[17:37] <mmikowski> Heck, you can even run Intel graphics exclusively while running ML on an NV GPU, which is actually better than running Hybrid to maximize VRAM availability.
[17:39] <mmikowski> skramer: Also, you might want to install plasma-optimus. Eickmeyer and I put that together and debugged, repsectively, it for 22.04, and it gives you a nice little widget to control your GPU selection, and it will warn you about things like this.
[17:40] <mmikowski> skramer: After that, what bugs remain with graphics?
[17:43] <mmikowski> skramer: Also, it really sounds like you are having a reading problem in the ~/.config directory, as if some of the file got overwritten by root and are no longer writable by your standard user.
[17:43] <mmikowski> A couple of strategies there: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER ~/.config might fix it.
[17:44] <mmikowski> If you have corrupted files there, you could set it aside and then move over configs as you need them: mv ~/.config ~/.config.O # Then retart plasma
[17:44] <mmikowski> # Then move over configs as-needed.
[17:46] <mmikowski> You can check for mis-owned files like this: cd ~/.config; find ./ -printf '%u\n' |grep -v "$USER";
[17:47] <mmikowski> if you see lines returned, then some files are owned by someone else and are likely unwritable
[17:48] <mmikowski> Better yet: cd ~/.config; find ./ -printf '%u %p\n' |grep -Ev "^${USER} "
[17:48] <mmikowski> also cd ~/.local; find ./ -printf '%u %p\n' |grep -Ev "^${USER} "
[17:50] <mmikowski> if you have misowned files in either case, you can fix it with sudo chown -R $USER:USER . in the offending directory.
[17:54] <mmikowski> Koobsicle: If you do a dual boot machine, the best advice I can give is to physically remove any an all disks you don't want windows to touch during the install process, as  certain install events with windows makes it decide to grab and reformat attached drives.  Outside of that, I got nothing, sorry. On the rare ocassion when I do dual boot for
[17:54] <mmikowski> testing, I use a separate NVMe for that purpose because they are so cheap these days and you avoid all that nasty MBR and windows-wants-to-own-all-the-disks stuff.
[18:48] <user|52> hola, no puedo hacer sudo apt update, me dice que los repositorios no son accesibles. He intentado corregir el archivo sources.list y nada. Qu
[19:11] <skramer> mmikowsi: I'll have a look into this tomorrow.
[19:17] <mmikowski> good luck skramer
 Well everything went thru, but when I boot into Ubuntu it comes as a black screen. How does having Windows involved impact that? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> Koobsicle: If you do a dual boot machine, the best advice I can give is to physically remove any an all disks you don't want windows to touch during the install process, as  certain install events with windows makes it decide to grab and reformat attached drives.  Outside of that, I g
[19:42] <mmikowski> Koobsicle: IANAEODB (I Am Not An Expert On Dual Boot) :) But my guess is you are seeing issues with the graphics drivers, not with the dual boot aspect.
[19:42] <mmikowski> If it got through grub and the kubuntu glowing screen, it likely booted correctly.
[19:43] <mmikowski> Now press Ctrl+Alt+F2 to see if you can get a virtual terminal and can sign in there.
[19:43] <mmikowski> If so, that's where you can fix your graphics drivers.
[19:44] <mmikowski> try: sudo apt install plasma-optimus nvidia-drivers-525 nvidia-prime
[19:44] <mmikowski> Then prime-select nvidia and reboot.
[19:45] <mmikowski> Avoid on-demand unless you have a specific need for it.
[19:45] <mmikowski> Also, if you aren't using a laptop, you can skip plasma-optimus, nvidia-prime, and prime-select.
[19:46] <mmikowski> I have to leave for a while, so good luck!
[19:55] <tomreyn> so, a friend of mine uses "kde on ubuntu", i.e. i guess he installed it after removing gnome-shell/mutter, converting it to kind of a kubuntu (obviously not ideal). he's on 20.04 LTS, which reaches EOL by next month.
[19:57] <tomreyn> I just learnt that Kubuntu 22.04 has some stability issues around kwin + plasma shell, and am thus wondering what to suggest to him regarding the EOL issue
[19:57] <tomreyn> do we know whether ubuntu-pro will provide continued security support for KDE packages / packages Kubuntu uses?
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: an SRU of the latest LTS of Plasma might be in the works for 22.04.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> It's undergoing testing.
[20:58] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: nice, thanks for the info.
[21:01] <tomreyn> (i did read *might* ;) )
 Ya we got into console and ran 'sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop plasma-desktop' that didn't work either. It is an AMD GPU (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> try: sudo apt install plasma-optimus nvidia-drivers-525 nvidia-prime)
[21:22] <mmikowski> Koobsicle, then the issue is likely the graphics libraries setup. Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to help there. Maybe others can. You should look at Xorg logs and sort out why your GUI isn't starting. You can also type sudo systemctl restart sddm to get a feel for what's going on.
[21:23] <mmikowski> And, yes, don't install nvidia-driver-525 or nvidia-prime or plasma-optimus. Those will not work and will only complicate matters.
[21:54] <tomreyn> !amd | Koobsicle: just in case this helps
[21:56] <tomreyn> (so don't install amdgpu-pro from amd.com)


[19:24] <Irritiable|LT> Lubuntu has a default program / setting to enable hardware key for "print screen?"
[19:24] <Irritiable|LT> I ended up using GNome-screenshot as a band-aid solution. Is their a native or preferred solution?
[19:34] <egy> Irritiable|LT: by enable you mean take a screenshot ? Lubuntu has `scrot` which takes a full screen on pressing the "PrtSc" button
[23:01] <Guest61416> Hi there! I'll try lubuntu in an old acer One netbook, but the ISO I've downloaded doesn't makes a bootable USB. Am I doing someting wrong?


[05:04]  * enyc meows
[05:04] <enyc> I hear rumours of  mint-20 users updated  and now getting a hang on shutdown
[05:04] <enyc> not any real info  but would (suspect) 5.4.0-48 kernel
[05:05] <enyc> though i'd just (mention) to ubuntu upstream kernel here  incase of use  or other reports (where can get more info) come about


[12:00] <dkessel> hey there quality
[12:10] <elfy> hi dkessel
[13:30] <balloons> good morning all
[13:31] <elfy> hi balloons
[13:32] <balloons> I beginning to wonder if it's just me that has issues with hard drives. My new drive containing /home failed yesterday
[13:32] <elfy> :|
[13:32] <balloons> I'm beginning to wonder if I need to replace cables again or something
[13:46] <pitti> balloons: if it's any consolation, I also got tons of scary "ata1:" error messages with following oopses/freezes/fs corruption yesterday :/
[13:46] <pitti> I wonder if that's actually a hw problem or a kernel bug
[13:49] <balloons> pitti, hmm, that's kind of coincidental
[13:49]  * balloons replaced the cables
[14:01]  * dkessel wonders "should i really use utopic on my real hardware at home at this point"?
[14:01] <dkessel> i should really do that backup i am postponing every week...
[14:04] <charles> alesage, elopio, now that I've seen the new indicator navigation in action, you do have a point about the visibility question:
[14:04] <charles> alesage, elopio, the definition of "visibility" has changed, so we're talking about two separate things here
[14:05] <charles> alesage, elopio, the idea is for the transfer, location, message, bluetooth indicators to not be shown in the top icon bar when they don't have anything in them
[14:05] <charles> alesage, elopio, but they should *always* be visible in the new indicator navigation regardless of their visibility in the top icon bar
[14:06] <charles> alesage, elopio, so the new navigation (which IMO is very cool!) has a bug there, it should ignore the indicators' visibility flags and use them unconditionally
[14:07] <charles> I'm not seeing an existing bug report on this yet
[14:48] <alesage> charles when this came up yesterday I think we were just wanting to make sure that the test plan reflects the design FWIW
[15:51] <elfy> balloons: do you know what's going on with the tracker - Final's keep disappearing
[16:00] <balloons> elfy, what's disappearing?
[16:02] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[16:03] <elfy> no Final
[16:30] <wxl> wonder if this will get fixed before final :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1380774
[16:33] <balloons> elfy, no final will exist there unless posted
[16:33] <wxl> so rc is ready to go or not?
[16:33] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ certainly has it. For packages, we haven't done intermeadiate milestones
[16:34] <elfy> balloons: ok - so please point to me where I can send people to report either the RC or the Final
[16:34] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds
[16:34] <elfy> and now it's got builds on it
[16:34] <balloons> the milestone is called final. It's the last milestone.. it's been called RC in the past but hasn't been done so for a bit
[16:35] <elfy> I'm telling you that keeps disappearing
[16:35] <wxl> ok so it's official
[16:35] <balloons> elfy, lol..  It's easy to get confused
[16:42]  * elfy casts about for something to blame and settles on the new firefox tab page - packages is where images was lol
[16:55] <balloons> elfy, so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1378423 still exists for me
[16:55] <wxl> balloons: with ubuntu or xubuntu or what? no issues with me on lubuntu oddly
[16:55] <balloons> ubuntu
[16:56] <wxl> interesting that
[16:56] <wxl> we all use lightdm no?
[16:57] <elfy> balloons: confirmed
[17:04] <balloons> elopio, can you +1 this before I merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/reminders-app/fix-1381828/+merge/238519
[17:04] <wxl> maybe it's a GPU issue
[17:04] <balloons> elfy, does it affect xubuntu?
[17:04] <elfy> yes - I did say :)
[17:04] <elfy> I'll drag down the lubuntu image and see if I see it
[17:04] <wxl> i'm grabbing xubuntu now to confirm the problem
[17:05] <balloons> right.. so that rules out gpu issue for me; if it doesn't affect lubuntu
[17:05] <wxl> gmta ;)
[17:05] <wxl> well it CAN'T be a lightdm issue. that makes no sense.
[17:05] <elfy> it might be that it's host issue - I assume balloons like me is hosting on 14.10 not 13.04
[17:05] <wxl> if it IS an xorg issue it would seem it would have to be some sort of driver issue
[17:05] <wxl> i'm on 14.04 fwiw
[17:05] <balloons> indeed very much so. Could be a vbox thing too
[17:06] <elfy> balloons: previous issues with vbox didn't appear on other vm tools afaik
[17:06]  * balloons notices new update for vbox from source
[17:06] <wxl> yep
[17:06] <wxl> grabbing 4.4.18-96516 while i'm at it
[17:07] <wxl> 4.3!
[17:08] <balloons> what version do you run now wxl ?
[17:08] <wxl> i had 4.3.16-95972 balloons
[17:09]  * wxl is so happy to have more ram in his work computer so he can run multiple vms at a time and still do regular work ;)
[17:13] <elfy> balloons: with lubuntu I get menu at the start asking to choose try or install - not the try/install dialogue that xubuntu and ubuntu get later in the livesession boot
[17:13] <wxl> i assume this fails on live boot or do i need to install first?
[17:13] <wxl> elfy: that's normal
[17:13] <wxl> it's a feature :)
[17:14] <elfy> wxl: it's before you get to the desktop - you get just a black screen - vt1 and then vt7 and you should get the try/install dialogue
[17:14] <elfy> wxl: yea - perhaps that's why you don't get the same issue
[17:14] <wxl> ic
[17:14] <wxl> well let me confirm xubuntu first elfy
[17:15] <wxl> i booted to the try/install. does the bug come earlier?
[17:16] <wxl> oic you get the try/install only after flipping vts
[17:16] <wxl> i didn't have to do that
[17:16] <elfy> yea
[17:16] <wxl> booted right to it
[17:16] <wxl> so it MAY be a gpu issue of some kind after all
[17:16] <wxl> and/or driver
[17:16] <elfy> biab
[17:17] <wxl> i am using 386 too
[17:17] <wxl> so i wonder if it's just amd64?
[17:18] <elopio> balloons: +1'ed
[17:25] <elfy> balloons: ok - so Xubuntu and Ubuntu in vbox - vt1 then 7 and it works - Kubuntu - nada, nothing, zilch :(
[17:25] <elfy> fail
[17:26] <elfy> Kubuntu is the same here as Xubuntu and Ubuntu
[17:27] <wxl> any of you have i386 machines?
[17:27] <elfy> nope
[17:27] <wxl> i have a real suspicion that's the problem
[17:27] <elfy> well ... not working ones anyway - they're in the attic lol
[17:27] <wxl> that amd64 is the issue
[17:27] <wxl> heheheh
[17:28] <wxl> send it over :)
[17:28] <wxl> oops wrong channel :/
[17:37] <elfy> :)
[17:38] <elfy> balloons: at least hardware works ok - this could be worse :D
[19:18] <wxl> well we got the d-i issue fixed if we can pull down the new apt from debian https://bugs.launchpad.net/apt/+bug/1380774
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:43]  * Letozaf_ oops need to reboot
[19:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have just installed ubuntu amd64 on a VM and after reboot I have very low resolution 640x480, have you already reported a bug ?
[20:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, hey.. I haven't yet seen that. I'm about to do a real hw install, but I can do a vm first to see
[20:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) I have another weired thing: my Virtualbox VM has no menu's I wanted to try to install virtualbox guest additions
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, to see if that changes something
[20:07] <elfy> I can confirm 640x480 after install - have seen that for a large part of the cycle - but given all the other vbox issues - it didn't seem that big an issue against those - guest additions installs fine
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, have you got the VM's menus on Virtualbox ?
[20:07] <Letozaf_> elfy, hi
[20:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, what do you mean?
[20:07] <Letozaf_> elfy, but have you got the VM's menus ?
[20:07]  * balloons noted nothing in vbox boots. Trying qemu
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, well when your VM is started you got the VM's menu for chosing to install VM additions, attach a device ect...
[20:09] <elfy> Letozaf_: have menus here - using Xubuntu
[20:09] <Letozaf_> elfy, I have Ubuntu amd64
[20:09] <balloons> qemu works fine ;-)
[20:09] <Letozaf_> elfy, balloons so I am unable to install Virtualbox guest additions
[20:10] <elfy> balloons: good
[20:10] <elfy> Letozaf_: try host+D
[20:10]  * elfy can see menu and shortcuts :)
[20:11] <elfy> rightctrl+D that is by default
[20:11] <Letozaf_> elfy, thanks that worked :) but menus are still missing :P
[20:11] <elfy> :)
[20:11] <elfy> use Xubuntu ;)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> elfy, hah! could be, but I am an Ubuntu fan :p
[20:13] <elfy> :)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> elfy, mabye I could install Xubuntu on my laptop :P
[20:15] <elfy> I've had just about enough of vbox for one cycle it's got to be said - one thing after another lol
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, I managed to install Virtuabox guest additons, but nothing changes, I have the same low resolution
[20:26]  * Letozaf_ is thinking to leave Virtualbox and star using qemu :P
[20:26] <Letozaf_> start
[20:26] <balloons> lol Letozaf_
[20:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, what happened to poor Virtualbox it looks a bit distraught :P
[20:28] <elfy> Letozaf_: it caught a cold somewhere round about May and it's not got rid of it ...
[20:29] <Letozaf_> elfy, oooh! looks like I have been too busy with autopilot if I found out only now :P
[20:30] <Letozaf_> elfy, didn't realize i was not using Virtualbox for sooooo long :P
[20:31] <elfy> oh it's been driving me up the wall - and I've been doing the same to balloons I think :D
[20:31] <Letozaf_> LOL
[20:32] <Letozaf_> elfy, but have you reported bugs about this ?
[20:32] <elfy> oh yes
[20:32] <Letozaf_> elfy, ok so no use I do it too :P if you got the bug number handy I can confirm it (if this is of some use)
[20:32] <elfy> which bug Letozaf_
[20:33] <elfy> the only current one I have is bug 1378423
[20:33] <elfy> all the others have been fixed
[20:33] <Letozaf_> elfy, oO fixed ? how come I am having issues :P
[20:35] <balloons> as soon as one is fixed, more appear it seems
[20:35] <elfy> balloons: that sums it up
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will try to see if someone has reported this bug otherwise I will, right ?
[20:36] <elfy> Letozaf_: I'm confused as to which bug here?
[20:36] <Letozaf_> elfy, sorry :) I meant that the menus are missing
[20:36] <elfy> aah - well I'd not see that one :)
[20:37] <Letozaf_> elfy, :)
[20:37] <balloons> Letozaf_, if you menu like the file menu and such, try maximizing and restoring the window
[20:37] <balloons> there is a bug for that
[20:37] <balloons> if you have in window menus
[20:37]  * elfy has vague recollection of someone talking about menu's missing in Ubuntu recently
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have already tried to maximize the window but nothing changes
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, I got them back!!! I pressed ctrl+c
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, to exit from scale mode
[20:39] <elfy> that's not a bug - that's pebkac :D
[20:39] <Letozaf_> elfy, what is pebkac ?
[20:40] <elfy> problem exists between keyboard and chair  :D
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, in scale mode no menus when I exit scale mode the menus come back
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, what a tiny VM :P I am already blind... if I have to have such a small VM I will go even blinder :P
[20:42] <balloons> elfy, ROFL.. I love it
[20:42] <balloons> never heard that
[20:42] <elfy> really?
[20:43] <Letozaf_> elfy, :O lol
[20:43] <elfy> Letozaf_: I agree that 640x480 isn't much use - but I tend to do the install checks - small's ok for those - then do guest adds before the post install
[20:44] <Letozaf_> elfy, guest addons did not work for me
[20:44] <Letozaf_> elfy, still got a tiny tiny VM
[20:44] <elfy> yea :(
[20:45] <elfy> at least that one is ubuntu specific
[20:45] <Letozaf_> elfy, lol
[20:46] <elfy> we've got Xubuntu specific one - and it doesn't appear that we're going to see it fixed in time
[20:49] <Letozaf_> ok guys I must go it's getting late, I will be back tomorrow
[20:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, cheers. We'll be at this all week, hehe
[20:50] <Letozaf_> good night everyone :-)
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah right :)
[20:50] <Letozaf_> good night
[20:53] <elfy> time for me to offline too I think - night balloons


[23:40] <SchrodingersScat> athanaeum: have you tried the native netflix yet?
[23:43] <MonkeyDust> SchrodingersScat  that was for AudreyJean
[23:43] <NextBit> Anyone here near Jacksonville FL?
[23:44] <athanaeum> schrodinger is there away to get that to work
[23:44] <SchrodingersScat> MonkeyDust: AudreyJean was asking how to get ffmpeg working with pygame..
[23:44] <athanaeum> shrodingerScat: not sure get that
[23:45] <SchrodingersScat> athanaeum: last I heard you need a beta copy of Chrome and something to change your referrer in chrome.  HTML5 has DRM now.
[23:45] <sagredo> hello friends i have a SATA drive that is not coming up mountable... it is running windows and will not boot or enter system recovery, any ideas on accessing it to back up the data
[23:46] <athanaeum> schrodingerScat: ok how do I do that. should I uninstall all and start again
[23:47] <jeff3> Hi, I have a question about my display, when I run lspci -vvv -s 00:02.0 there is no output. so I'm a little concerned. how can I fix this?
[23:48] <svetlana> folks suggested that if i'm using iwlwifi (i'm using iwl4965 specifically) then i'm using non-free firmware; how do i verify that?
[23:48] <SchrodingersScat> athanaeum: I'm not sure you've even listed what you've done to where I would know.  I found this link though: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/netflix-linux-html5-support-plugins
[23:49] <sagredo> hello friends i have a SATA drive that is not coming up mountable... it is running windows and will not boot or enter system recovery, any ideas on accessing it to back up the data
[23:49] <jeff3> When I run lspci, my display doesn't show up at all.
[23:51] <sagredo> how can i tell if a hard drive is detected? its spinning
[23:55] <Beldar> sagredo, try sudo parted -l
[23:55] <sagredo> ok thx
[23:55] <Beldar> sagredo, Any info like the HD is or has been going bad, or the software has failed?
[23:56] <sagredo> Beldar:
[23:56] <sagredo> no it seems to be spinning fine
[23:56] <TJ-> sagredo: "grep -B1 'logical blocks' /var/log/dmesg"  will report all the discovered devices at boot-time. For later hot-plug connections use "grep -B2 'logical blocks' /var/log/kern.log"
[23:57] <Beldar> sagredo, spinning fine? nor sure how that has any relevance or how your measuring it.
[23:57] <Beldar> not*
[23:57] <sagredo> Beldar: well i have had drives go bad that made horrible noises
[23:57] <sagredo> TJ-: thanks man [    6.231562] sd 1:0:0:0: [sda]<PHONE_NUMBER> 512-byte logical blocks: (750 GB/698 GiB)
[23:57] <sagredo> this is the dr ive i am trying to mount
[23:57] <Beldar> sagredo, Ah, well not a good way of knowing is all.'
[23:58] <cynicallemon> svetlana: iwlwifi is non-free
[23:59] <TJ-> sagredo: OK, now do "sudo parted /dev/sda print"
[23:59] <svetlana> cynicallemon, ya thanks, where can i read a couple lines to verify that? i like thought it's in the kernel and has its source open (some of kernel commit messages suggested some changes with iwlwifi and i thought the source code diff would also be available but i didnt check and now i dont know where to look)
[23:59] <jeff3> When I type lshw my monitor doesn't appear there either.  somehow my monitor is not being recognized at all even though I can still use it. weird.