[00:00] <thomi> ls
[00:00] <thomi> oops :(
[00:00] <ActionParsnip> n2diy: you could kick them off with:  sudo killall -u guest
[00:00] <n2diy> ActionParsnip, he denied giving out his password, and the kid said she was on the guest account.
[00:00] <Smashcat> ActionParsnip: Cool - I used to use VLC on my old Linux workstation, but thought I'd give movie player a go as it was installed here. I know better now - haha
[00:00] <ActionParsnip> Smashcat: try gnome-mplayer it's pretty sweet imho
[00:01] <najaroma> ciaoo
[00:01] <ActionParsnip> Smashcat: if you want the whole hog, you can add the medibuntu repo and install w32codecs (or w64codecs if you use 64bit ubuntu)
[00:02] <natervader13> hey does anyone know of a good music editing software I can get my hands on?
[00:02] <harrrismrubin> i accidently uninstalled thunderbird in 12.04
[00:03] <harrrismrubin> when i reinstalled it it is not in the notification bar
[00:03] <bazhang> natervader13, audacity
[00:03] <natervader13> well is it running?
[00:03] <n2diy> ActionParsnip, yes, or I could have restarted after changing his password. But I'm wondering why max showed up as being logged in, when it was the guest account?
[00:03] <Smashcat> ActionParsnip: Think I'm ok now - gnome-mplayer is playing my films great :-) Ubuntu need to remove that "Movie Player" trash. It's broken and not worth using
[00:04] <wylde_> n2diy: I've never used it, but could it be caused by "user switching"?
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> Smashcat: not used totem tbh but I always leave it in :)
[00:05] <gnubie> natervader13>  Ardour
[00:05] <harrrismrubin> ActionParsnip,  do you know how to re add it
[00:05] <kion> what is the difference between  Nvidia Current-version and Nvidia Current-Updates Drivers?
[00:05] <Smashcat> hehe, getting over 10MB/s download on torrents atm - love my new cable connection :-)))
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: readd what?
[00:05] <natervader13> gnubie: thanks ill check it out
[00:05] <harrrismrubin> i accidently uninstalled thunderbird in 12.04  when i reinstalled it it is not in the notification bar
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> Smashcat: nice :), if you use apt-fast instead of apt-get you'll max it out more often if you update in CLI
[00:06] <gnubie> natervader13>  my son thinks its great
[00:06] <Wulfyuk> smashcat downloading those linux iso's will be quick :D
[00:06] <wylde_> !info mail-notification
[00:06] <n2diy> wylde, I don't know, I'm going to investigate more. The box was off before the kid logged in, so I don't think it could have been user switching?
[00:06] <Smashcat> Wulfyuk: heh, yeah I tried downloading Ubuntu when I had it installed - took about a minute :-)
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: not something I use personally dude, sorry. Maybe someone can list their thunderbird packages to see if you are missing anything
[00:06] <wylde_> n2diy: ahh alrighty, was a thought :)
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: is there a thunderbird glob al menu package etc?
[00:07] <harrrismrubin> ActionParsnip,  what do you use
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: webmail
[00:07] <harrrismrubin> is that an app
[00:07] <wylde_> harrrismrubin: thunderbird-globalmenu  maybe?
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: no, its just accessing your email via web browser
[00:08] <wylde_> !info thunderbird-globalmenu
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> wylde_: sounds likely :)
[00:08]  * Skaperen has decided his new computer build will be without a CD/DVD drive
[00:09] <Wulfyuk> Skaperen, good choice tbh ive not used mine in 2 years cd wise
[00:09] <Wulfyuk> flash drives ftw
[00:09] <Skaperen> Ubuntu images work on USB memory sticks, now, so there's no more need
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> i use mine for DVD playback and that's it. minimal install ftw :)
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> Skaperen: could even setup a PXE server, no need for flash drives then :)
[00:09] <Skaperen> I do have a USB external DVD drive, so I could use that in a pinch
[00:10] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: true ... except for the fact that this new machine will be the PXE server :)
[00:10] <Skaperen> temporary PXE server to the rescue
[00:10] <Rook> I never have figured out how to set up a PXE server.
[00:11] <ljsoftnet> can i change the volume of my left and rigth speakers?
[00:11] <wylde_> mine get's used for  making cd's to push ubuntu or other  *nixs on windows users I know ;)
[00:11] <bairui> ...and I have my rhymes back! lyrical! \o/
[00:11] <Skaperen> Rook: it's documented ... many ways ... but a long check list of things to do
[00:11] <Skaperen> TFTP server, DHCP server with the right configs
[00:11] <ActionParsnip> ljsoftnet: run:  alsamixer  and you can use Q and E to increase the left or right channels individually :)
[00:11] <wylde_> !yay | bairu
[00:11] <Wulfyuk> Skaperen,  lol my last pxe server took 3-4 minutes
[00:11] <Rook> Skaperen: Yeah, I just haven't ever done it right.  I know it's all on my end why it doesn't work, but still.  I haven't done it right. :P
[00:12] <Skaperen> Wulfyuk: probably a one purpose server, then
[00:12] <Wulfyuk> to be fair it was on windows while i pxe'd a nix install over
[00:12] <kion> ljsoftnet:  put a book infront of one :) just kidding.
[00:12] <wylde_> !ltsp
[00:12] <wylde_> ^^ is uber easy using the alternative installer ;)
[00:13] <Smashcat> I use mine to rip DVD's/CDs - that's the only reason I keep it
[00:13] <Wulfyuk> quicker to download tbh smashcat (public domain ofc!)
[00:13] <Rook> Is this the right place to ask technical questions about Ubuntu installations?
[00:13] <Skaperen> USB drives are big these days ... I'd like to see someone make an image for one that has a boot selection for all editions of Ubuntu all on one
[00:13] <wylde_> Rook: it is
[00:13] <ki4ro> Rook: ask away
[00:14] <Wulfyuk> you mean like a all in one windows boot cd for instance Skaperen ?
[00:14] <chris_is_me> Skaperen: there are multi option cds
[00:14] <Skaperen> dunno about windows so cannot say
[00:14] <Rook> The last time I installed Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro, it bricked it.  Had to sell it for parts.  I have a nicer one now, and it'd be a shame to brick this one, but I really don't want OS X or Windows™ as my primary OS, but I also don't want OS X hosting my 'buntu VM.
[00:14] <bairui> thanks, wylde_ :)
[00:14] <chris_is_me> Skaperen: i've got a ubuntu/kubutu/edubutu
[00:14] <Skaperen> chris_is_me: they'd need to be DVDs
[00:15] <Rook> Is there a way to install 'buntu as the primary OS without it hosing the machine's EFI?
[00:15] <wylde_> bairui: np :)
[00:15] <chris_is_me> Skaperen: i'm not sure if my disc is cd/dvd
[00:15] <Wulfyuk> i remaber mandriva killing certain dvd rom drives a long time ago lol was funny as i stoped using it one version before
[00:15] <Skaperen> chris_is_me: I'd want Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, server edition, and both 32 bit and 64 bit of each
[00:15] <ljsoftnet> ActionParsnip it doesnt change left or rigth
[00:15] <kion> Rook: how did you installed it? I have never ever been able to even boot a usb with linux
[00:15] <Smashcat> Rook - as OS' go, OSX is pretty good really. Not sure what you could do inLinux over OSX on a Mac
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> ljsoftnet: if you drop one all the way down on the master, keep one side up, is it different?
[00:16] <kion> Rook: I am pretty shure Apple is very frightened by Linux
[00:16] <harrrismrubin> i got it to work
[00:16] <Rook> Kion, they should be.  They've got about the same market share.
[00:16] <Skaperen> kion: look what the fear did to Steve
[00:16] <kion> Skaperen: Agree!
[00:16] <Smashcat> Rook: Linux has quite a bit more of a Markey share I think, if you count Android
[00:17] <Smashcat> *Market
[00:17] <Rook> I don't.
[00:17] <ljsoftnet> ActionParsnip both the left and rigth move the same i cant change left or rigth, even with Q E or Z C
[00:17] <Rook> I don't mind OS X, but it's a memory hog for sure.  It's just not as efficient as it was when Jobs was making the decisions.
[00:17] <Skaperen> kion: and it isn't the unix-ish-ness of it ... OSX is based on BSD (which is OK) ... it's all the closed pieces
[00:17] <Rook> Hecks, Win7 uses less RAM than Lion.
[00:17] <Smashcat> Rook: hehe, I'm pretty sure Jobs had nothing to do with OSX memory management
[00:18] <ActionParsnip> Smashcat: he doesn't have much to do with anything now
[00:18] <Rook> Smashcat, maybe not directly, but as soon as he handed over the reins, you saw an instant move from utility and efficiency to gratuitous visual effects.
[00:18] <Skaperen> kion: too many corps want to control people's lives to monetize it ... Microsoft, Apple, Facebook
[00:18] <kion> Skaperen:  OSX is as closed as it gets!
[00:18] <tjpoe> having some strange xorg problems. When I turn the PC on, i get display just fine. but if I turn the monitor (tv) off, and back on, or cycle thru the inputs, the monitor doesn't work when I get back.
[00:19] <Rook> Honestly, I'm thinking about making an image of everything off my Mac and using my OpenPandora as my primary computer.
[00:19] <Rook> No 'buntu, but it'd be open and efficient.
[00:19] <Smashcat> Rook: Not really. You know that stuff that gets rolled out today has been in the works since at least last year - when he was still in charge? Things don't change overnight
[00:19] <kion>  Skaperen: that is why i Love my Linux Freedom!
[00:19] <Rook> Speaking of actual technical questions:
[00:19] <n2diy> After further investigation, I'm not seeing the guest logged in at all. the commands w, who, whoami and user all show max (the sudo user) as logged in, but that is actually me on the SSH connection, guest is stealth!?
[00:19] <Swiss38974> hello i m looking to buy a smartphone and i d like to know if there is any ubuntu smartphone version available ?
[00:19] <tjpoe> Xorg.0.log output here: http://pastebin.com/mzbLX364
[00:20] <Skaperen> kion: the right to choose your distro ... I have more than one here
[00:20] <chris_is_me> tjpoe: i had the same problem with a ati radeon over dvi, i don't think it was os specific
[00:20] <Smashcat> Swiss38974: Nope - Android is the better option - Linux designed for mobile.
[00:20] <Swiss38974> hum
[00:20] <Swiss38974> cuz on the web i remember i've seen a video
[00:21] <kion>  Skaperen: Just as a test, I passed internet to my Macbook trough my linux box, and decided to block all the Apple's ip addresses, My Macbook went nuts trying to conect as much as 900 times a minute to different ip's under the Apple block!!!! And that was without using the computer!!
[00:21] <Swiss38974> it was about a guy usuing a smartphone
[00:21] <chris_is_me> Swiss38974: you can run ubuntu over andriod or something though
[00:21] <Skaperen> kion: oh dear
[00:21] <Swiss38974> and when he put the phone on a desk that became a normal ubuntu destop OS (on a normal pc screen)
[00:21] <Rook> Android isn't as open as pure linux in practice.  Every vendor adds their own closed-source blobs and drivers and UI's and bloatware.
[00:21] <Smashcat> Swiss38974: People have hacked other distros onto phones, but you usually lose a lot of functionality - like  making phone calls for instance
[00:21] <kion>  Skaperen: I belive that they are spying on you to develop new products...
[00:21] <Rook> Can't stand closed source any more.
[00:21] <bucsfan914> hey guys, about to wipe windows and do a clea install of 12.04. anything i should download beforehand to make it go easier?
[00:22] <Skaperen> kion: were they encrypted?  did you try to let them connect and sniff them?
[00:22] <Swiss38974> Smashcat : ok thank you
[00:22] <Smashcat> Rook: Android itself is totally open. It's the hardware drivers that are closed
[00:22] <Rook> Yeah, and the bloatware.
[00:22] <kion>  Skaperen: you know what, I did not, but sounds like a gread rainy weekend project
[00:22] <tjpoe> worked fine in meerkat, but oneiric, it is broken
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> bucsfan914: just the install media is needed, most stuff works with the default dribvers
[00:23] <Skaperen> supposedly Samsung is open sourcing drivers for the Galaxy S II ... but I haven't looked to see if they are out there, yet
[00:23] <Rook> bucsfan914, it should go smooth if you tell it to use the whole hard drive.  Just make sure you use the try before installing option to make sure your wireless cards or whatever else works.
[00:23] <Skaperen> kion: I hope it storms on you soon :)
[00:23] <bloodmoon> hi all
[00:23] <bucsfan914> alright thanks!
[00:23] <ljsoftnet> is there a software to change my rigth speaker volume, it doesn't make any sound
[00:23] <bloodmoon> yea
[00:24] <Smashcat> Skaperen: Some of the hardware in the phones call stacks use a lot of proprietary tech I think, so they can't open them.
[00:24] <Skaperen> ljsoftnet: volume manager should have a balance control
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> ljsoftnet: is the plug for the speakers pushed all the way into the hole?
[00:24] <bloodmoon> hmmm odd mine has a balance control
[00:24] <zizoo> Hey, pavucontrol is not opening an application stream I want to shift off of my null output back to the sound card. It shows up for a second when I load pavucontrol, then disappears and I can't get it. How can I fix it?
[00:24] <ljsoftnet> ActionParsnip yes, the left and the subwoofer has sound but the rigth doesn't
[00:24] <Skaperen> Smashcat: they _said_ they were ... issue as you mention might delay or prevent that ... need to find out if it ever happens
[00:25] <Skaperen> Smashcat: if Samsung does want to go open and gain a market edge that way, they are big enough to force chip makers and such to accept open
[00:25] <bloodmoon> -pokes- hi all?
[00:25] <Smashcat> Skaperen: Android's about as open as it gets though - I develop on the platform, and also OSX -  there's a big difference :-)
[00:26] <Skaperen> Smashcat: I need to get into doing Android ... but my love for OS building means I want ot build the whole thing from source and load my own image on to my Galaxy S II
[00:27] <Smashcat> Skaperen: Like most corps though, they do whatever makes the most money - if there's no advantage to opening up some other parts of a product, they don't do it
[00:27]  * Skaperen has had an S II for 4 months now and has never made a voice call onit ... all text and email and such
[00:27] <Skaperen> the mic might not even work ... never tested it
[00:27] <Rook> Okay, speaking of technical questions: Anyone know how to get OpenGL acceleration working on a Trident CyberALADDiN-T, specifically in a Toshiba Portége 3500?  Having issues getting DRI working properly.  I don't really need it for 3D stuff, but I'd really like it for SDL programs.
[00:27] <fleakite> I wish there was a way to remove t mobile bloatware apps
[00:27] <linusoleander> Is there a way to list list memory heavy processes?
[00:28]  * Skaperen needs an app that turns the mic into an audio oscilliscope
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> linusoleander: use:   top    in a termina;
[00:28]  * Smashcat has got a stack of S2's here, along with 20 Google Samsung Nexus phones - I do a lot of event work with microcontrollers and mobile. Got stuff everywhere atm ;-))
[00:28] <linusoleander> ActionParsnip: How do I sort by memory useable?
[00:28] <linusoleander> *usage
[00:29] <linusoleander> Just running "top" won't show anything useful
[00:29] <Skaperen> Smashcat: wow ... are they all unlocked or rooted?
[00:29] <Smashcat> Skaperen: No, just normal phones - no sim cards, unlocked - they only need wireless connections at the  next event.
[00:29] <Skaperen> Smashcat: you got that wifi adhoc walkit-talkie app on them?
[00:30] <Smashcat> Skaperen: They're going to be running an app I'm working on - nothing else really.
[00:30] <Skaperen> Smashcat: what does your app do?  gonna open source it?
[00:31] <fishcooker> how to write the error message of command line to file?
[00:31] <zizoo> pavucontrol isn't displaying some application streams that are mapped to the wrong output device. They flash on when I open it,  but then disappear and can't be brought back. Any ideas how to get to them?
[00:31]  * Skaperen wants to get a few people's open source apps ... source of them
[00:31] <Smashcat> Skaperen: No, it's specifically for a corporate event - it has no purpose outside of that. Like most of my stuff, it's all owned by the client after i hand it over.
[00:31] <Rook1> Okay, I got disconnected, did anyone respond to my video card question?
[00:31] <linusoleander> fishcooker: cmd 2&> file
[00:31] <Skaperen> Smashcat: I see ... work for hire stuff
[00:32] <Skaperen> Smashcat: but you could build an open source app if you wanted to
[00:32] <Smashcat> Skaperen: Yep. I did a job for the Google stand at the Mobile World Conference inBarcelona a few months back. A Claw arcade machine controlled by an Android tablet (using tilt and touch). Even the Google CEO had a go - heh
[00:33] <Skaperen> Smashcat: nice
[00:33] <tjpoe> anyone know what these two lines in Xorg.0.log mean:
[00:33] <tjpoe> [    30.820] (II) intel(0): Using EDID range info for horizontal sync
[00:33] <tjpoe> [    30.820] (II) intel(0): Using EDID range info for vertical refresh
[00:33] <Skaperen> means it is understanding your monitor better
[00:33] <Smashcat> Skaperen: You can see it on Youtube still I think. Had little Android toys in it for people to win. There were queues on it (plus 2 other clone machines) all day every day at the conference :-)
[00:34] <fishcooker> it works linusoleander
[00:34] <tjpoe> that is what shows up when I turn the monitor back on. and i get no video
[00:34] <fishcooker> thanks
[00:34] <linusoleander> fishcooker: np
[00:35] <tjpoe> [    30.820] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
[00:35] <tjpoe> followed by all the modes the monitor can handle
[00:35] <Nosophorus> hi
[00:35] <tjpoe> i never input any of those modes, they are default values, would it be beneficial to hard code the resolution & settings I want?
[00:35] <Skaperen> if your monitor and X can agree on modes, if it fails it's likely some other issue
[00:36] <Skaperen> the EDID messages are normal
[00:36] <Skaperen> at least those are
[00:36] <escott> tjpoe, its just rereading the edid information when the monitor comes back on
[00:36] <tjpoe> it doesn't indicate a problem?
[00:36] <Skaperen> the monitor will tell it the normal geometry, and if the video card can handle it, that would be the usual default
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> tjpoe: is the screen ok otherwise?
[00:37] <tjpoe> no, the screen works fine when I boot up, but when I turn it off and back on, it doesn't detect a signal (like it has gone to sleep, but it has only been 5 seconds)
[00:37] <Skaperen> if you have a modern ATI or NVIDIA based video card with more than enough VRAM for your monitor size, that part isn't an issue
[00:38] <tjpoe> if I press a keyboard button, it "wakes up" but only to a black screen
[00:38] <Skaperen> if it got EDID data, it got the monitor's size
[00:38] <Smashcat> tjpoe: I had that problem on this Dell laptop - had to press the monitor button (that wswitches between the screen and an external display)
[00:39] <tking0037> can someone help me... when i turn my computer on i get this message saying waiting for network configuration...
[00:39] <Smashcat> tjpoe: I think the brightness button worked too.
[00:39] <tking0037> ive tried wicd and network-manager and they both produce the same problem
[00:39] <tjpoe> hmm. it isn't a laptop, it is an intel based mac mini
[00:39] <Skaperen> tking0037: one of the network setting steps is taking longer than normal ... does it eventually work after a few minutes?
[00:40] <tking0037> it will eventually boot up but i have to start network-manager manually
[00:40] <Smashcat> tjpoe: Ah ok
[00:40] <Skaperen> tking0037: check to see if you have /etc/network/interfaces configured with any NICs that are not really present
[00:41] <tking0037> eth0 is usually unplugged
[00:41] <tking0037> but i have network-manager managing that... shouldnt it know to disable that
[00:41] <Skaperen> tking0037: then is eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[00:41] <Skaperen> tking0037: it won't if it's hard configured
[00:41] <Smashcat> tjpoe: I did have the same problem with a Dell PC - but that's in a MAME cabinet now, and doesn't get a chance to go to sleep when I'm playing on it :-)
[00:41] <tking0037> its only configured for network-manager to manage it and that it is dhcp
[00:42] <tking0037> should i give it a static ip?
[00:42] <Skaperen> tking0037: no ... DHCP should be sufficient
[00:42] <Skaperen> unless you have a specific need for a static IP, use DHCP if you have that on your LAN
[00:42] <tking0037> im just trying to fix the problem
[00:43] <tking0037> should i disable eth0 with network-manager
[00:43] <Skaperen> tking0037: you could try a fully static IP config and see if that makes it consistently work
[00:43] <tking0037> what does that mean
[00:43] <sancas19> hello!!
[00:43] <Skaperen> tking0037: yeah, disable eth0 for testing ... but it should handle it normally
[00:44] <sancas19> i update my system and when i restart it pff... ubuntu die..
[00:44] <sancas19> Xorg cant start
[00:44] <tking0037> ok ... im going to restart ill brb
[00:44] <sancas19> now im in the live ubuntu
[00:45] <devkorcvince> clear
[00:45] <devkorcvince> oops
[00:46] <sway_> evening everyone
[00:47] <fishbait> i have samba installed ubuntu 12.04 workgroup matches and i am trying to access \\<IP_ADDRESS>\public theres no password required how do i access this
[00:47] <sacarlson> fishbait: can you see it in nautilus?
[00:47] <fishbait> how do i switch to that?
[00:48] <sacarlson> fishbait: in ubuntu 10.04 is what you see in places
[00:48] <fishbait> i'm on 12.04 in xfce4
[00:49] <sacarlson> fishbait: oh I'm not sure nautilus would be a part of xfce4 as I think it's a gnome app
[00:49] <fishbait> its located in my router running dd-wrt
[00:49] <n2diy> sacarlson, fishbait, thunar is the file manager with xfce4
[00:49] <n0t> Does anybody know what programs use port 50691?
[00:50] <fishbait> yes and i can get to nautilus somehow i just don't know how
[00:50] <sacarlson> n0t: sounds like a random port like maybe an input to a browser or java or ?  is something listening on that port?
[00:51] <escott> fishbait, i nautilus smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/public
[00:51] <sacarlson> n0t: also torrents
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> n0t: you could use netstat to search
[00:52] <n0t> sacarlson: I'm having 1000s of random IPs from all over the world being blocked by my router(I've been trace routing them and dns lookups), attempting to connect to my router using port 50691.
[00:52] <fishbait> ty that did it
[00:53] <fishcooker> how to use *.sig file .. is it just like md5sum.. i want to check is the cygwin setup is valid or not
[00:53] <Rook> 32 or 64 bit?
[00:53] <n0t> My router logs are getting huge, its just being spammed every couple of seconds and slowing down my net :(
[00:53] <devkorcvince> n0t: are you using torrent apps?
[00:53] <devkorcvince> n0t: or downloading via torrent?
[00:54] <sacarlson> n0t: my guess it's a torrent that might be from a session of the previose lease holder of that ip address
[00:54] <n0t> I have none running atm.
[00:54] <josue> so confused
[00:54] <fishcooker> is there any mechanism that apt will work with using the fastest repo?
[00:55] <Rook> I'm sorry, I meant to keep my question simple, but I feel I have just been confusing.  Should I use the 32 or 64 bit Ubuntu Desktop?  1 GB RAM, so I don't need 64 bits, strictly speaking.
[00:55] <sacarlson> fishcooker: there is an app that searches repository mirors to find the best connection for your location
[00:55] <fishcooker> 32bit desktop
[00:55] <escott> Rook, with such a small amount of ram you should probably go 32bit
[00:55] <fishcooker> Rook:
[00:55] <devkorcvince> Rook: Just use 32
[00:55] <fishcooker> +1 escott
[00:55] <wylde_> Rook: if you have no specific need for 64, use 32
[00:56] <Rook> Thank you all.
[00:56] <n0t> josue: what about?
[00:56] <fishcooker> what's it sacarlson
[00:56] <sacarlson> fishcooker: I don't know I forget
[00:56] <Skaperen> Rook: 32 bit can't lose on 1G ... and is fine even on 3G or 4G
[00:56] <josue_> i dont even know what im doing... to be honest
[00:57] <fishcooker> c'mon sacarlson.. :-)
[00:57] <josue_> first time to actually use this
[00:57] <Skaperen> but personally, I go with 64 bit now for anything above 1GB
[00:57] <Skaperen> if the CPU can handle it ... no choice on my EEE netbooks
[00:58] <sexykilla> I provocative video and this is one of them. If you want more just go and click on advertising. I shall gain money by a single click and you are free ---->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptETHEjaHZg&feature=related
[00:58] <sexykilla> helloooooooooo
[00:58] <sacarlson> fishcooker: seems it's built into synaptic http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-select-fastest-mirror-in-ubuntu.html
[00:58] <Skaperen> sexykilla: go away, spammer
[00:58] <Rook> I know that 32 bit is supposedly more "compatible," but I haven't run into any problems trying to run things on 64-bit.  I'm a bit hazy on what the actual benefit to 64-bit OS's.  They use more memory, but can process bigger things (or possibly chunks of things at a time).
[00:59] <n0t> 64 bit == has more pointers
[00:59] <ronald2> wow
[00:59] <Skaperen> Rook: I have a dual arch USB memory stick rescue image if you want it ... though it is currently slackware based
[00:59] <fishcooker> ls
[00:59] <Rook> Nothing wrong with Slackware.
[01:00] <Skaperen> and it's text mode
[01:00] <cogNeato> How do I keep Mathematica while changing Linuxes?
[01:00] <Rook> CLI = win.
[01:00] <sexykilla> I provocative video and this is one of them. If you want more just go and click on advertising. I shall gain money by a single click and you are free ---->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptETHEjaHZg&feature=related
[01:00] <n2diy> !ops seykilla
[01:01] <n0t> Installed slackware 13.37 on VMware today to mess with it.
[01:01] <wylde_> n2diy: you need a pipe in there ;)
[01:01] <Skaperen> sexykilla: what brain injury do you have?  momma dropped you at birth?
[01:01] <fishbait> how do i delete a directory?
[01:01] <n0t> KDE crashes instantly, XFCE works wonderfully.
[01:01] <wylde_> !ot | sexykilla
[01:01] <n2diy> wylde and to spell it right.
[01:01] <Skaperen> fishbait: rmdir if it is empty
[01:01] <fishbait> ty
[01:02] <n0t> ...waiting to hear, "wait.... i have files in there :O"
[01:02] <Skaperen> n0t: :)
[01:02] <Rook> fishbait: There is a switch to delete everything in a directory recursively, but I'd be real careful with it.
[01:02] <Skaperen> fishbait: man rm
[01:02] <sexykilla> I provocative video and this is one of them. If you want more just go and click on advertising. I shall gain money by a single click and you are free ---->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptETHEjaHZg&feature=related
[01:02] <fishbait> oh yeah that kind of thing misused can delete the whole drive
[01:02] <ronald2> anything recursively is dangerous.......
[01:03] <Rook> I had to learn that the hard way.
[01:03] <ronald2> i know thats right rook, i did too
[01:03] <Skaperen> fishbait: hint: type "(" before typing a command, so you don't accidentally run in until you can look it over to be sure it is safe ... then append a ) on the end when you are sure
[01:04] <fishbait> oh ty for the tip
[01:04] <Rook> Skaperen: That is an awesome idea.
[01:04] <Skaperen> Rook: everyone learns it the hard way ... ONCE
[01:04] <fishbait> ok net drive access set
[01:04] <ronald2> yerah once....lol
[01:04] <n2diy> cq ki7rw
[01:04] <Rook> And if you learn the hard way twice, did you really learn it the first time?
[01:04] <wylde_> my hard lessons was backups. Now I backup often heh
[01:04] <ronald2> some things i had to learn more than once.....'cocaine is one hell of a drug'
[01:04] <Skaperen> Rook: like I said :)
[01:05] <fishcooker> i've question is the new laptop technology will automaticaly switch to ac plugged in after battery is fully charged?
[01:05] <Skaperen> Rook: they make screw up hundreds of times ... then they learn it once
[01:05] <josue_> anybody like to help out this ubuntu/linux newb?
[01:05] <ki7rw> what's a good voip client for linux that can call regular phones?
[01:05] <Rook> fishcooker: It should use AC to run the laptop even when charging it if you have it plugged in.
[01:05] <Skaperen> josue_: not until we know what the problem is
[01:06] <Rook> ki7rw, does it have to be FOSS?  If not, Skype.
[01:06] <Rook> At least until Microsoft kills Linux support for it.
[01:06] <Skaperen> running on AC *and* charging at the same time either overstresses the adapter or slows down the charging, on most models
[01:06] <ki7rw> skype works ok but it appears that you can't set it up to allow others see who's calling
[01:07] <Sway17> the problem is... this is my first time in an IRC and i just got Ubuntu this morning never knowing much about the Linux OS'
[01:07] <fishcooker> what should i do to preserve battery life span Skaperen?
[01:07] <sacarlson> fishcooker: I guess it does since when I don't have a battery installed the laptop still works
[01:07] <wylde_> Sway17: ...and then...?
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> Sway17: you'll learn with time :)
[01:07] <Skaperen> Sway17: did you install yet?  if so, which version and edition (editions are like "kubuntu" or such)
[01:07] <natervader13> Sway17: its pretty simple once you use it a little. If you know a good part of windows then your fine
[01:08] <fishcooker> should i remove the ac plugin when it is fully charged sacarlson
[01:08] <sacarlson> fishcooker: no
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> Rook: microsoft make money with the Linux app so will more than likely support it
[01:08] <Skaperen> once it is fully charged, running on AC just leaves it charged
[01:08] <Sway17> im starting to slowly get it
[01:08] <Skaperen> I run my netbooks on AC when not carrying them around
[01:08] <Rook> ActionParsnip: For now.
[01:08] <fishcooker> with battery installed Skaperen
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> Rook: we'll see
[01:09] <Skaperen> Sway17: Linux (and BSD and Unix) are a different kind of world ... one we love ... one that is new to you
[01:09] <Rook> ActionParsnip: Yes, we most certainly will.  I hope things pan out in the long run for Skype, even if not for Microsoft.
[01:09] <Skaperen> Sway17: no popups trying to sell you on software or a service
[01:10] <Sway17> yeah i noticed that
[01:10] <Sway17> i love it so far
[01:10] <wylde_> Sway17: learn to love the command line ;) Not that you can't accomplish things the GUI way, you'll just realize how much faster and lots of time easier from commandline.
[01:10] <Sway17> hahaha ill keep that in mind
[01:10] <Rook> Skaperen: But there can be, people just care a bit more about their software design than to add ads.  Nothing's saying they can't.
[01:10] <Rook> Hooray labors of love!
[01:10] <Skaperen> learn both command line an GUI ... I'm an old graybeard command line guy ... but I do it in xterm, now
[01:11] <Sway17> i think im slowly stepping to the dark side
[01:11] <Sway17> i got my friend from work who got me checking this out
[01:11] <Rook> Sway17, the dark side isn't Linux.  Linux is the good guys, from a philosophical standpoint.
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> Sway17: its good to try new things
[01:11] <Skaperen> Sway17: ah, so you are installing deathbuntu?
[01:12] <josue_> so ubuntu is a bad OS?
[01:12] <Skaperen> Vubuntu ... the Ubuntu for Vampires ... runs on blood at night
[01:12] <Rook> Did anybody need me for anything else before I go?
[01:13] <Skaperen> josue_: yeah ... bad for those that prefer something else
[01:13] <Skaperen> Rook: just come back again sometime
[01:13] <AndyKing> i got some problems when i create a extended partition on my disk
[01:13] <Rook> Skaperen: I intend to.
[01:14] <AndyKing> when i use fdisk, there is no extended option
[01:14] <josue_> i actually got the Mint 13: Cinnamon from my work buddy earlier today
[01:14] <josue_> is that any good?
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> josue_: depends on needs, in most cases its good. In some cases it's not
[01:15] <Skaperen> josue_: Linux Mint is OK
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> josue_: mint and cinammon are not supported here
[01:15] <Skaperen> josue_: some limitations sometimes in its repositories
[01:15] <josue_> yeah.... so any OS' near limitless?
[01:16] <Skaperen> yeah, they do have their own channels ... if you use them, ask help there ... some people here are there, too (to give you an idea)
[01:16] <AndyKing> i only got primary and logical options,  no entended
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> josue_: all software has limitations.
[01:16] <Skaperen> josue_: there are some junk and/or unsupported distros around ... beware ... caveat emptor ... but Mint is not one of those
[01:17] <josue_> roger that
[01:17] <Skaperen> here we do ubuntu
[01:17] <wylde_> josue_: my advice startging, use "stable" OS's and software versions. Trying to go bleeding edge when you aren't sure about what you're doing = MAJOR headaches
[01:17] <josue_> thanks yal i really do appreciate the assistance
[01:17] <josue_> yal take care
[01:17] <Skaperen> josue_: I'd suggest Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for now ... then if you feel you want more out of it, ask around
[01:18] <josue_> i have that at the moment i think
[01:18] <linelevel> Did Ubuntu really drop support in 12.04 for 32-bit non-PAE processors?
[01:18] <josue_> thanks!
[01:18] <kfank> unity question - I have several terminals open.  When I click the "shrink" button on the terminal window, how do I get it back?
[01:18] <Skaperen> linelevel: kernel did ... not sure which versions
[01:19] <Skaperen> linelevel: oh wait, you said NON-pae
[01:19] <wylde_> kfank: "shrink"? You mean minimize?
[01:19] <kfank> right
[01:19] <Skaperen> linelevel: PAE support in the kernel is being dropped
[01:20] <wylde_> kfank: look at the icon on the launch bar. It will have a small arrow or two next to it if there are minimized windows related to it.
[01:20] <Skaperen> anyone running more than 4GB on a 32-bit only CPU these days is silly
[01:20] <escott> linelevel, the x32 abi is a better choice for those who want >4GB ram and 32bit userspace
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> linelevel: install xubuntu or lubuntu first then, they don't use the PAE kernel by default
[01:20]  * Skaperen still has a server running 32-bit Slackware with 8GB ... that will be phased out when the new computer arrives
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> Skaperen: i have a dual core 32bit systemm, could have more than 4Gb in it...
[01:22] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: one of my netbooks is a dual core atom 32-bit onlt
[01:22] <Daekdroom> Skaperen, it's the opposite.
[01:22] <Daekdroom> Non-PAE kernels are being dropped from Ubuntu
[01:22] <Daekdroom> Not because they expect everyone to have 4GiB RAM but because most CPUs these days support PAE and it takes too much effort to maintain so many different kernels.
[01:23] <Skaperen> that 8gb server is dual 4-core xeon and can do 64-bit, but at the time I built it I was not ready to switch over to 64 bit
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: not in xubuntu..
[01:23] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, isn't it getting removed from the repos in 12.10?
[01:23] <Skaperen> when the new box arrives, it will become the new server, then the old server gets a makeover
[01:24] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: well, that won't fly for too long, since PAE support is being dropped by the kernel at some point
[01:25] <Daekdroom> Skaperen, why?
[01:25] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: PAE is a messy hack and has limited the way they can clean up the kernel
[01:25] <TransitTycoon> how do I add an alternate user to the sudoers file?
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/linux-image
[01:25] <kfank> wylde_: Okay, so I need to double-click on terminal icon to get view of all running terminals, then go click on the one I want?
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: seems all 3 exist.  :)
[01:25] <wylde_> kfank: yep.
[01:25] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, Yeah, I'm looking at that.
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> TransitTycoon: just add the user to the admin group and it will have access to sudo
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> TransitTycoon: you don't need to mess with the sudoers file
[01:26] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: when the kernel itself needs to access specific userland data, it needs to get the real address/pointer ... and in 32-bit mode it has to use a function call to make use of it
[01:26] <sacarlson> TransitTycoon: you can add another user to the sudo or admin group to add them to sudoer also
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: I use quantal on my lappy but the CPU suports PAE
[01:26] <TransitTycoon> ActionParsnip: Negative; running an unstable
[01:26] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, linux-meta lists linux-generic-pae package as 'transitional package'.
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> TransitTycoon: how do you mean 'unstable'?
[01:26] <kfank> wylde_: okay, thanks.  No quicker shortcuts available?
[01:26] <Daekdroom> Which means that -generic must have PAE now.
[01:26] <TransitTycoon> ActionParsnip: Distro Upgrade, 12.10 sortof
[01:26] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: that means thousands of places in the kernel do function calls to let the kernel peek at userspace data
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> TransitTycoon: then ask in #ubuntu+1
[01:27] <TransitTycoon> ActionParsnip: thanks!
[01:27] <wylde_> kfank: other than alt+tab not that I know of. I'm not using unity atm either though.
[01:27] <Poddo> Can anyone help me with an email question?  I can't access comcast's webmail app on 12.04
[01:27] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/<IP_ADDRESS>.7
[01:28] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: when the memory model allows a whole process to be mapped AND the whole real RAM to be mapped ... at the same time from the kernel's view, then that isn't needed
[01:28] <kfank> wylde_: Ahh, alt-tab.  That works for me.
[01:28] <wylde_> :)
[01:28] <escott> Poddo, what happens when you try
[01:28] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: in 32-bit that is limited to 1GB or 2GB RAM depending on which of 2 models are chosen ... so later 32-bit kernels may be limited to 2GB rather than 4GB
[01:29] <Poddo> escott, it just says the connection was reset while the page was loading.
[01:29] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: well, definitely limited to 2GB and maybe 1GB ... no way to map real and virtual at 4GB
[01:29] <Daekdroom> Skaperen, I honestly didn't understand much after 'limited the way they can clean up the kernel'.
[01:29] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: oh, sorry
[01:30] <Poddo> escott, it works on the same computerr under windows, other computers in the house as well.  Other websites and mail services work on the ubuntu computer (gmail, yahoo)
[01:30] <Skaperen> Daekdroom: summary: by eliminating PAE support, and limiting real RAM to 2GB or 1GB in 32-bit, a lot of the kernel can be cleaned up
[01:30] <escott> Poddo, what browser are you using on the other machines
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> Skaperen: true but Lubuntu and Xubuntu are designed for low end systems mainaly, which may not have PAE facilities...
[01:31] <escott> Skaperen, you mean they are dropping some i386 HIGHMEM as well?
[01:31] <Daekdroom> Skaperen, it still seems to me that it'd only make sense for them to drop PAE when there's no reason to stick with 32-bit.
[01:31] <Poddo> escott, chrome on most of the other computers, but I've tested it with firefox as well
[01:31] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: which is fine ... but they won't be able to use more than 2GB
[01:32] <escott> Poddo, and what are you using on the machine that isnt working?
[01:33] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: largest allowed user space virtual memory size for one process PLUS the real memory size PLUS any hardware reserved memory cannot exceed 4GB on a non-PAE 32-bit kernel
[01:33] <Poddo> escott, I've tried firefox, since it was default installed, and also chromium
[01:33] <escott> Poddo, odd. does it require flash or anything?
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> Skaperen: max ram for 32bit is 3.2Gb
[01:33] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: there is a way to use 3GB RAM ... but limit processes to 1GB which also limits executable size to even smaller like I think 256MB
[01:34] <Poddo> escott, not that I know of.  I've tried just pinging the server that it tries to connect to and get no response either
[01:34] <adarshaj_dev> I wanted to know how to deploy a dkms based module to launchpad ppa for auto building, any links/suggestions?
[01:34] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: that varies a bit, actually ... but the issue is how much of that you want a Linux kernel to be able to use
[01:34] <escott> Poddo, is the page source being downloaded correctly
[01:34] <Poddo> escott, this time when I pinged the server I got "icmp_seq=49 Packet filtered
[01:35] <Alan502> Hi, I have installed the drivers for my wifi device with ndisgtk (ndiswrapper gui). The device shows as "connected" on ndisgtk but I can't see it on network manager or iwconfig; what could be wrong
[01:35] <Alan502> ?
[01:35] <wylde_> adarshaj_dev: make a launchpad account and you get access to 2GB to use for ppa's
[01:35] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: the kernel code has to be able to see ALL of RAM and ALL of the current process VM in a single 4GB view w/o PAE
[01:35] <adarshaj_dev> wylde_: Thanks for that, any links specific to deploying a kernel module on launchpad?
[01:35] <escott> Poddo, if everything else works when browsing the web i dont see what difference that would make
[01:36] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: and the user space VM is divided up in 3 or 4 parts, too
[01:36]  * wylde_ is wondering if he's surrounded by kernel devs
[01:36] <wylde_> adarshaj_dev: probably in launchpad's help system. I don't have any links handy. I'll look real quick tho
[01:37] <Zeelot> hey guys, I used to have an option to close windows with middle click in the Scale Compiz plugin but I can't find it in 12.04, anyone know why?
[01:37] <trism> adarshaj_dev: it shouldn't be any different than any other package, since the module isn't actually built until you install the dkms package
[01:37] <sacarlson> adarshaj_dev: only app I know that has kernel modules that compile at install is virtualbox,  maybe take a look inside there deb file as an example
[01:38] <adarshaj_dev> trism: Oh, right. Thanks for that insight.
[01:38] <DeckardCain> how do I get sound in wine? I played with the settings in winecfg -> audio, but no luck so far.
[01:38] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: BTW, if you have a system that is stuck on 32-bit user space for some reason, you CAN switch the kernel to 64-bit (don't forget to update modules, too) ... then the memory model actually allows full 4GB per 32-bit process AND as much RAM as your machine supports, in the clean way
[01:39] <adarshaj_dev> sacarlson: Cool, that closely matches with my usecase. Will checkout :)
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> Skaperen: I'd just reinstall to get 64bit apps personaly, well tbh I'd just install the right arch first time :)
[01:40] <Skaperen> ActionParsnip: as would I
[01:40] <Skaperen> 32-bit is the exception around here just because of a couple legacy machines I've been too lazy to upgrade, and the netbooks that can only do 32
[01:41] <wylde_> adarshaj_dev: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas might at least get you started.
[01:41] <Skaperen> that an my rescue USB system is dual-arch
[01:41] <escott> Skaperen, how did you make that?
[01:41] <Skaperen> uh oh ... email from my boss
[01:42] <Skaperen> oh, no problem ... she liked my plan for 2 drupal tests sites
[01:42] <adarshaj_dev> wylde_: Thanks for that link, it seems to give me right pointers :)
[01:42] <Relondo> Where does Ubuntu install games and other applications, by default?
[01:43] <wylde_> Relondo: /bin /usr/bin
[01:43] <escott> Relondo, most applications end up in /usr, but its not a single folder per application the resources are spread around based on type
[01:43] <Skaperen> escott: I made a script that makes the image that I dd to USB memory sticks ... but for now it is based on Slackware 13.37 ... other versions later ... I'm expecting to release this project before the other distros ... so maybe other people will do those
[01:44] <wylde_> Relondo: you can also use 'locate thisbinariesname' after you 'sudo updatedb'
[01:44] <escott> Skaperen, im just wondering what you mean by "dual-architecture" do you mean you have a system you can boot and choose to go 64bit or 32bit so as to be able to chroot into either?
[01:44] <Skaperen> escott: you pick 32 vs 64 at the boot menu for now ... later I'll be making the boot menu gray out the 64 bit choices on 32-bit only CPUs
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: its to appeal to a bigger audience. I uninstall them myself
[01:44] <Relondo> wylde_: Not sure how to do that.
[01:44] <fanzhen> I lost my mails in thunderbird  .  can anyone tell me where is the archive mails??
[01:44] <Skaperen> escott: it has the choice, but it's not chroot based ... it uses pivot_root()
[01:44] <escott> Skaperen, and did you do that by having two different root partitons or something more complex
[01:45] <Alan502> Hi, I have installed the drivers for my wifi device with ndisgtk (ndiswrapper gui). The device shows as "connected" on ndisgtk but I can't see it on network manager or iwconfig; what could be wrong?
[01:45] <wylde_> Relondo: are you using unity or gnome shell?
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: the playdeb ppa has a tonne of games though if you want games. Urbanterror is a fantastic game if you like counterstrike with wall jumping :)
[01:45] <Relondo> actionparsnip: I'm talking about stuff I installed myself.
[01:45] <Relondo> wylde_: Unity.
[01:45] <Skaperen> escott: actually they are both in ONE partition (ONE filesystem) ... I do bind mount of the selected directory ("root32" vs "root64") then pivot the bind mounted mount point to be /
[01:45] <ggz> hi
[01:46] <Relondo> And I have yet to find it in either of those places you guys mentioned.
[01:46] <Skaperen> escott: that after hunting down the correct device via UUID
[01:46] <fanzhen> where does the thunderbird save the archive mail ??? I lost  all mails of last year.
[01:46] <Skaperen> escott: it's done in a little C program I wrote that runs before /sbin/init runs
[01:46] <wylde_> Relondo: ok ctrl+alt+t will open a terminal, then enter "sudo updatedb" (no quotes) once that finishes you can look for files using" locate thisfilename"
[01:46] <roasted> Question - is there a way to get the "displays" menu in system settings to display in the system tray with the clock, etc? I'm trying to find some sort of display manager that stays "docked" in the upper right corner for easy switching.
[01:46] <escott> Skaperen, cool
[01:47] <n1ckn4me09876543> Is it possible to get a virus if I open/install an EXE file with virus/malware in them thru WINE ?
[01:47] <sacarlson> Relondo: did you compile the apps you speak of?
[01:47] <escott> fanzhen, ~/.thunderbird
[01:47] <ggz> i just upgraded to 12.04 and networkmanager don't configure my network card anymore (says "not ready" (non pret) in the menu), it works fine with "sudo dhclient", do you know how to fix it ?
[01:47] <Skaperen> escott: I'll be distributing the build kit, not the image for dd-ing ... you make your own image ... so it's easier to customize
[01:47] <Relondo> sacarlson: All I know is that I installed Super Meat Boy through Ubuntu Software Center, and I need to get at its install files.
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> n1ckn4me09876543: it will only affect your ~/.wine folder
[01:48] <escott> Skaperen, it would be nice to have something like that on the livecd
[01:48] <fanzhen> escott , but I dont know how to import the archives and not find the archive file...
[01:48] <escott> fanzhen, unless you ask for one im not sure it makes one
[01:48] <Relondo> wylde_: That worked. Thanks.
[01:49] <DeckardCain> how do I get sound in wine? I played with the settings in winecfg -> audio, but no luck so far.
[01:49] <wylde_> Relondo: np :)
[01:49] <n1ckn4me09876543> ActionParsnip, oic
[01:49] <sacarlson> Relondo: you can look in synaptic right click the app and look at properties>file list  and see the path of each file in the package
[01:49] <Relondo> sacarlson: Ah, okay. Thanks for that, too.
[01:49] <fanzhen> escott, it is the thunderbird's default configuration ...
[01:50] <Skaperen> escott: I use to run another script I wrote that too Ubuntu ISOs and morphed them into hybrid ISOs ... did then for when I was working on the Easypeasy derivative of Ubuntu ... but it worked fine on Ubuntu itself ... but now I don't need to do that anymore
[01:50] <Skaperen> too=took
[01:51]  * Skaperen believes anything worth doing is worth scripting
[01:51] <sacarlson> ggz: I guess as a work around you could setup your system with a static ip address
[01:51] <escott> Skaperen, it would be nice to avoid the "should i download the 64bit or 32bit install image"
[01:51] <Skaperen> escott: yeah ... but a dual arch is larger
[01:52] <escott> Skaperen, i think they were going to give up on the 700MB size anyways
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> true and non techy users may be irked by a menu system at install etc
[01:52] <ggz> sacarlson: you mean setup dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces ? yes i could, but it would be nice to know the problem =)
[01:52] <Skaperen> escott: yeah, they should ... people use USB memory sticks more and more these days
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> escott: I payed for Linux Tycoon game, the only bugbear folks had was my distro didn't fit on a CD, the year was 2050 :), very funny
[01:53] <escott> ActionParsnip, no need for the menu. just check if the cpu supports long mode and install a 64bit system if it does
[01:53] <Relondo> How can I change the permissions for a folder without being the owner?
[01:53] <Skaperen> only older machines have CD non-DVD drives ... so Xubuntu and its friends will probably still have small base install media
[01:53] <escott> Relondo, sudo
[01:54] <wylde_> !sudo | Relondo
[01:54] <sacarlson> ggz: I agree and I'm sure there are many ways to get it to work,  I would assume it's in the sequence of upstart
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> escott: tru, cat /proc/cpuinfo     could easily by used :)
[01:54] <Relondo> escott: I don't know the terminal commands for that. I need to know either the commands or the way to do it graphically :/
[01:55] <Skaperen> FYI I use syslinux for booting on the memory stick rescue project, not grub ... easier to work with in the script that generates it
[01:55] <xangua> Relondo: and why do you want to change the permisions on a directory you don't own¿ explain what you want to do
[01:55] <sacarlson> ggz: did you already say you tried wicd?
[01:55] <escott> Skaperen, sorry one more question. im just curious on the technicals. by the time the kernel is ready to run a program to select the rootfs and do the pivot... you would have to have a kernel. so how do you pick what kind of kernel to boot?
[01:55] <Relondo> xangua: I'm editing some .cfg files for a game, but I lack the permissions to do so.
[01:56] <escott> Relondo, do you want to change permissions or ownership?
[01:56] <Relondo> Better yet, how do I make myself the owner of all files?
[01:56] <wylde_> Relondo: "sudo gedit /path/to/file" will work.
[01:56] <Relondo> escott: Either would serve my purposes, I suppose.
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: gksudo gedit /path/to/filename.cfg
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> wylde_: gksudo for gui apps, not sudo
[01:56] <Skaperen> http://phil.ipal.org/minne-pinne-0.4.0-96.png <-- what my boot menu looks like
[01:56] <wylde_> oops my bad, yes should have been gksu
[01:57] <Relondo> Actionparsnip: Thanks.
[01:57] <Relondo> wylde_: No problem.
[01:57] <escott> Relondo, i would go with ActionParsnip's suggestion and just edit as root
[01:57] <Relondo> K.
[01:58] <wylde_> I wish kdesu worked. -.-
[01:58] <freespirit-girl> I am trying to in stall Java on Ubuntu and i am having a hard time
[01:58] <wylde_> I know it's only 2 characters but hey...
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> freespirit-girl: there is a PPA for Oracle java 1.7 if you want...
[01:59] <freespirit-girl> well i was trying to use this.. http://www.devsniper.com/ubuntu-12-04-install-sun-jdk-6-7/
[01:59] <ggz> scarybeasts: no, wicd is an alternative to networkmanager ?
[02:00] <ActionParsnip> freespirit-girl: http://thecybergal.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/install-oracle-javajdk7-in-ubuntu.html
[02:01] <Loshki> Relondo: also, get into the habit of making a quick backup before you edit e.g. sudo cp /path/to/filename.cfg /path/to/filename.cfg.bak
[02:02] <Relondo> Loshki: Thanks for the tip.
[02:02] <freespirit-girl> Thanks!!! that link looks so much more easier to understand ActionParsnip
[02:03] <DeckardCain> how do I get sound in wine? I played with the settings in winecfg -> audio, but no luck so far.
[02:03] <wylde_> DeckardCain: #winehq would probably be able to help with that.
[02:03] <ActionParsnip> DeckardCain: ask in #winehq too
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> it may depend on what you are running in wine also
[02:04] <DeckardCain> k, thx
[02:04] <DeckardCain> Dr_Willis: the winecfg test sound button and diablo 2
[02:04] <Skaperen> it may depend on the default volume setting wine has in the audio system
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> check the wine app database yet?
[02:04] <harrrismrubin> at the notification bar there is a message about respiratory fail what do i do to fix it or remove the respitory
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> You mean Repository?
[02:05] <harrrismrubin> yes
[02:05] <wylde_> zomg, get it to the ER stat!
[02:05] <Skaperen> see Sound Preferences, applications tab, to be sure wine shows up with a reasonable volume setting ... if it does not who up, ask #winehq
 >.>
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> wylde_:  :) thats what i was thinking
[02:05] <Skaperen> not show up...
[02:06] <DeckardCain> Dr_Willis: app database? for the built-in test button?
[02:06] <harrrismrubin> at the notification bar there is a message about  Repository fail what do i do to fix it or remove the  Repository
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> harrrismrubin:  which repository?
[02:06] <harrrismrubin> idk
[02:06] <sacarlson> ggz yes wicd is an alternate for network-manager not sure it will correct the problem you say you have
[02:07] <Dr_Willis> harrrismrubin:  use the command line 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' look for some error messages with real info
[02:07] <wylde_> harrrismrubin: if it's been there for a while try 'sudp apt-get update', if that completes properly then it was probably a network failure of some sort when it was looking for updates.
[02:08] <harrrismrubin> ok i clicked check for updates and here is what it said
[02:08] <harrrismrubin> :
[02:08] <harrrismrubin> W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/antonio.chiurazzi/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[02:08] <harrrismrubin> , W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/antonio.chiurazzi/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[02:08] <harrrismrubin> , W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/crebs/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[02:08] <FloodBot1> harrrismrubin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:08] <wylde_> err sudo* illiterate fingers! >:(
[02:08] <harrrismrubin> , W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/crebs/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[02:08] <wylde_> !paste
[02:09] <escott> harrrismrubin, perhaps those ppa's are no longer working? when did you install them
[02:09] <ki7rw> they made that ekiga too difficult to set up - skype doesn't have to worry about competition
[02:10] <escott> harrrismrubin, looks like at least one of those ppa's is oneiric but not precise. when you upgrade versions 11.10->12.04 you need to disable your ppas
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> ki7rw: skype can make webcams seem to be faulty when they are in fact fine
[02:11] <wylde_> harrrismrubin: you'll need to disable those ppa's. Dead links.
[02:11] <escott> ki7rw, ekiga and skype are very different. ekiga supports a lot of different ip telephony tools, skype supports only its own system
[02:12] <sacarlson> harrrismrubin: I see that your ppa doesn't have a build for precise, it supports up to natty
[02:12] <ki7rw> ActionParsnip: if you can't easily use their software then it's worthless to me - i did everything i could to make ekiga work but it won't register me - not to mention the hoops they make you jump through
[02:12] <harrrismrubin> how do i disable them what features will it get rid of
[02:13] <FriendlySoviet> ONLY IRC
[02:13] <FriendlySoviet> mt
[02:13] <wylde_> o.O
[02:13] <ki7rw> and they didn't seem interested in helping me and it appears that they don't intend to give me a refund
[02:13] <FriendlySoviet> Don't worry
[02:13] <DeckardCain> #winehq says: "then go install 32 bit alsa plugins" "if you need help with that part i'm afraid i'll have to send you back to #ubuntu"
[02:14] <escott> DeckardCain, if you know the package name then its just going to be sudo apt-get install package:i386
[02:14] <freespirit-girl> ActionParsnip: I feel silly asking but.. how do i get to the control panel. I am actually trying to help my cousin install using Ubuntu..
[02:14] <roasted> Question - is there a way to get the "displays" menu in system settings to display in the system tray with the clock, etc? I'm trying to find some sort of display manager that stays "docked" in the upper right corner for easy switching.
[02:14] <DeckardCain> escott: I don't know the package name
[02:15] <roasted> Hey fellas, anybody know of a good screen capture program that also catches audio? I'd like to set up a video how to guide.
[02:15] <devkorcvince> kazam -> roasted
[02:15] <roasted> appreciate it!
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> harrrismrubin, I doubt you will loose anything, if you lost the ppa access with a distro upgrade the pckgs are already gine.
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> gone*
[02:16] <DeckardCain> I'll have to postpone that. thanks anyway
[02:17] <sacarlson> roasted: recordmydesktop is one I've used
[02:17] <roasted> sacarlson, I've used that too, but does it record audio?
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> freespirit-girl: press CTRL+ALT+T and you can run the commands there
[02:17] <roasted> sacarlson, last I used it (quite a while ago, 1-2 yearS) it didn't
[02:17] <sacarlson> roasted: yes it was recording voice when I used it
[02:18] <roasted> I'll keep it in mind - thanks!
[02:18] <ggz> sacarlson: ok thanks, i will use other tools until i have time to find a solution
[02:18] <harrrismrubin> so how do disable it
[02:18] <freespirit-girl> i copied all the commands and installed what you sent
[02:19] <escott> harrrismrubin, find the lines in /etc/apt and remove them with gksudo gedit filename
[02:19] <agc93> Does anyone here use mirage?
[02:20] <escott> !info ppa-purge | harrrismrubin is another option
[02:20] <dariushall21> Hey guys, can someone explain to me how to boot from a disc with the GRUB menu installed? I've tried removing my HDD from the boot list and it still boots to the GRUB menu. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 as a secondary and I'm trying to upgrade my windows to windows 7 and I can't get it to boot to the install disc.
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> harrrismrubin, go to the ubuntu software center-edit-software soyrces 2nd tab I think and un tick or remove
[02:20] <escott> dariushall21, go into your bios and change the boot order
[02:20] <agc93> dariushall21 the grub menu might be installed on a different disk, so change your boot order
[02:21] <dariushall21> escott, I have I have set my Disk drive, and removed my HDD allogether. There's only one HDD in my machine.
[02:21] <agc93> whats on the drive left in your machine?
[02:21] <agc93> i.e. any OSes installed on it?
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> dariushall21, use the per session boot menu if changing the bios does not work.
[02:22] <dariushall21> agc93, It has Ubuntu 12.04 and Windows XP.
[02:22] <agc93> Right, and you put the Windows install disc in and it still shows Grub?
[02:22] <dariushall21> wilee-nilee, I've tried, that also doesn't work.
[02:22] <escott> dariushall21, the drives in your computer are a red herring. the only thing that matters is the bios boot order. you want the cd to be the first boot device (its often not set that way because probing for a cd takes a while and manufacturers want a fast boot)
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> dariushall21, you found the menu then? sounds like a bad disc.
[02:23] <dariushall21> agc93, Correct. Even with turning off my HDD from the boot order altogether.
[02:23] <agc93> seems like a bad disc, then
[02:23] <harrrismrubin> why are all of my software sources unchecked
[02:23] <dariushall21> escott, it is set as my only boot option, HDD is off.
[02:23] <escott> dariushall21, then its a bad disk
[02:23] <harrrismrubin> what should be checked
[02:23] <dariushall21> escott, It
[02:23] <agc93> depends what you're looking for harrismrubin
[02:24] <Overlord> is there any official Facebook group of ubuntu?
[02:24] <dariushall21> escott, oops, it's a brand new disk, I bought it yesterday, there isn't a scratch on it.
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> harrrismrubin, a distro upgrade turns off third party stuff
[02:24] <harrrismrubin> no nothing is selected
[02:24] <escott> dariushall21, did you burn it correctly?
[02:24] <escott> dariushall21, does it work on other systems?
[02:24] <dariushall21> escott, it's an official Windows disc.  If the HDD is turned off, then the BIOS should just come back with No Operating System, not the GRUB menu
[02:25] <escott> dariushall21, how is the cd drive connected to the system?
[02:25] <agc93> and Overlord, I'm not sure of any. Why?
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> Overlord, if there is google would find it
[02:25] <escott> agc93, a lot of modern bioses are smarter than that. they wont actually do that
[02:25] <dariushall21> escott, the disk drives cables hooked into the motherboard.
[02:25] <agc93> ah right. Min's pretty old :/
[02:26] <agc93> Mine*
[02:26] <^Lem^> hi all, has anyone experienced a long pause when trying to drag a moderate (~10) selection of bookmarks in the Firefox bookmarks window under unity 3d/Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:26] <dariushall21> My computer was made in may 20 2004, I can see its manufacture date, it's not a new computer, but it's always worked fine.
[02:26] <escott> dariushall21, shrug. you bios is not recognizing the cd as bootable either because the cd is bad, or because there is something about the way the cd drive is connected
[02:27] <dariushall21> escott, could it just be the drive? It don't know. It's an old computer.
[02:27] <escott> ^Lem^, what filesystem are you using?
[02:27] <dariushall21> I don't *
[02:27] <agc93> have you ever booted from another CD on that system dariu?
[02:27] <agc93> like the Ubuntu Live CD or similar?
[02:27] <^Lem^> escott: ext4 for both / and /home
[02:27] <ggz> bye
[02:27] <dariushall21> It was booted from a CD when I installed linux on it.
[02:28] <agc93> That's weird.  I litterally bought it yesterday.
[02:28] <agc93> take it back. See if you can get another one
[02:28] <agc93> Try the same disc on another pc also
[02:29] <dariushall21> Why does it work in other machines though?
[02:29] <sacarlson> dariushall21: I have 3 old cd drivers 2 don't work anymore one works about 30% of the time,  seems the laser burns out?
[02:29] <dariushall21> It works fine on my laptop, and my other desktop without a problem.
[02:29] <escott> dariushall21, and try the session boot manager just in case the bios ignores its own config (one has to do that with usb devices)
[02:29] <escott> ^Lem^, you could try running firefox under eatmydata and see if it goes away
[02:30] <dariushall21> escott, so set it to boot from only disk drive, and then manually set it to boot from the "IDE CD Drive" as it says in the boot manager?
[02:30] <agc93> Well, im out of ideas dariu
[02:30] <^Lem^> escott: i'm pretty sure it's related to unity. my whole display freezes about 1 second after picking up the bookmarks (i.e. floating graphic is created), even the clock indicator stops, then about 4-5 seconds later, the whole display updates again, and the unity panel greys out some icons. must be trying to process the drag/drop event?
[02:30] <escott> ^Lem^, that would indicate that its an fsync issue
[02:30] <^Lem^> escott: eatmydata, ok i'll try that
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> dariushall21, is this a windows release upgrade like windows pro to ultimate?
[02:30] <agc93> also, does anyone here use mirage viewer?
[02:31] <dariushall21> wilee-nilee, No, it's a regular OS Windows 7 Ultimate.
[02:31] <myhero> way to check yesterdays irssi chat log ?
[02:31] <escott> !log | myhero
[02:31] <s00p3rg33n00s> hoa2use bspatch??
[02:31] <myhero> escott: yes
[02:31] <myhero> !log
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> dariushall21, use the windows usb loader it will read a disc I believe and load a thumb, or rip it and use a thumb with the same tool.
[02:32] <s00p3rg33n00s> Eh.
[02:32] <s00p3rg33n00s> I guess the real-- nah.
[02:32] <agc93> good idea. Wilee. The USB DVD Download tool hasn't failed me yet
[02:32] <s00p3rg33n00s> bai.
[02:33] <myhero> escott: ?????
[02:33] <KRomo> hey guys
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> agc93, you can do it inubuntu as well with a extraction to a thumb of the iso a ntfs and a bootflag.
[02:33] <dariushall21> The problem with that is I don't have any USB Thumbs big enough for it. Or I just would have downloaded Windows and used my serial numbers.
[02:33] <escott> myhero, what?
[02:33] <myhero> escott: that was command u specified or ???
[02:33] <dariushall21> Unless there's a way to install it directly from the Windows or Ubuntu enviroment I'm out of luck.
[02:33] <escott> myhero, listed to ubottu
[02:33] <^Lem^> escott: no change with "eatmydata firefox" from a command line. the timeout before my display updates seems exactly 5 seconds. the delay before it freezes is about 1/2 second
[02:33] <escott> !log | myhero
[02:34] <myhero> ohh
[02:34] <myhero> thnx | escott
[02:34] <myhero> !thnx | escott
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> dariushall21, you only need about 3 gigs a thumb big enough is less than 10$
[02:34] <KRomo> whats the benefit of ubuntu one over drop box?
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> KRomo, street greds, lol
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> creds*
[02:35] <Relondo> When I shut down my dual-boot Win 7/Ubuntu from Ubuntu, it immediately reboots. Help?
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> dariushall21: could use the minimal ISO, it's 20Mb
[02:36] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: if you run:  sudo shutdown -h now    does it turn off?
[02:36] <KRomo> haha
[02:36] <dariushall21> actionparsnip, Windows 7 Ultimate is 6.8 GB
[02:36] <Relondo> actionparsnip: I'll try that. Won't be back to tell you if it worked, so thanks in advance.
[02:36] <sacarlson> dariushall21:  I boot windows iso from virtualbox running in ubuntu not sure that will do for you
[02:36] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: which release too? Does the system have a make and model?
[02:37] <dariushall21> scarlson, a VM would murder this computer.
[02:37] <Relondo> actionparsnip: Runnning 12.04 Precise. And yeah, but I really don't have time to figure it out. I'll be back. 'Night.
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> dariushall21: ok you could use virtualbox
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> Relondo: full details next time ok ;)
[02:37] <codeshepherd> how long will it take for ubuntu 12.04 LTS to have php version 5.3.13?
[02:37] <dariushall21> And everyone, it doesn't appear that my disk drive is loading anything. I have a disk with music on it, and when I click on my D drive it says "Please insert a disk
[02:37] <Relondo> Actionparsnip: Will do.
[02:38] <dbbo> i have the latest version of X and the radeon driver, but X will not start. my chipset is an hd radeon 4200.
[02:38] <codeshepherd> or is there a way for me to get php version 5.3.13 installed in ubuntu 12.04 LTS via apt-get?
[02:38] <dariushall21> actionparsnip, My computer is not strong enough for a VM. Intel Pentium IV 2.6 GHZ. Tired old processors.
[02:38] <harrrismrubin> what does gthis mean Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ testing/non-free i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_deb_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:39] <sacarlson> codeshepherd: I'm running php5 on 10.04 is something better about 5.3.13?
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: can you give a PASTEBIN of the output of:  grep -R google /etc/apt/*
[02:39] <xangua> harrrismrubin: it's mean it's duplicated, open software center, edit. preferences
[02:39] <dariushall21> Maybe my Disk drive cable isn't hooked into the board right, or the cables are bad.
[02:39] <xangua> harrrismrubin: and remove the entry
[02:39] <CrazyGangster> hello ppl, any1 have the gnome-magnifier installed? I need to known the command to run the app...
[02:39] <dariushall21> I'll be back everyone, I'm going to swap disk drives.
[02:39] <codeshepherd> sacarlson:  there is a critical bug in 5.3.10 - which has got fixed in 5.3.13
[02:40] <fleakite> why do the icons in the system tray keep disappearing?  i'm on ubuntu precise
[02:40] <trism> CrazyGangster: looks like /usr/bin/magnifier
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: my command will highlight duplicates and we can clean you up
[02:41] <CrazyGangster> trism: thanks i will give a try
[02:41] <harrrismrubin> ActionParsnip,  with the *
[02:43] <trism> codeshepherd: looks like they backported the fix: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2012/CVE-2012-2311.html
[02:44] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: yes, I gave the command you need. run it then use a pastebin to host the result
[02:44] <kallisti> so I need to burn a CD while in an Ubuntu liveCD distro
[02:44] <kallisti> is there a way to do that? I have several gigs of swap I could dedicate for the entire disk.
[02:44] <codeshepherd> trism: this is a different bug -
[02:44] <CrazyGangster> trism: i dont know whats wrong but when i run the command i got lot of msg like this "we should clip at -196, -101"
[02:44] <harrrismrubin> do i give the url
[02:44] <jonathon> Anyone know of a Hex Editor that displays Japanese Characters?
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: yes, copy the URL and paste here
[02:45] <escott> jonathon, gvim's hex mode should
[02:45] <harrrismrubin> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1038305/
[02:45] <trism> codeshepherd: which bug?
[02:45] <codeshepherd>  is it possible for me to get 5.3.13 from any other php repository? trism  sacarlson
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> kallisti:  or you could partion the hd and make a 1gb partition and setup grub2 on it to boot an iso file
[02:45] <sacarlson> codeshepherd: I'm looking at php 5.4 in ppa
[02:45] <harrrismrubin> ActionParsnip,  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1038305/
[02:45] <kallisti> Dr_Willis: hm, too much trouble at that point.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> thats how i do very very speedy installs. ;)
[02:46] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google.list.save; sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.save
[02:46] <jonathon> Thanks, escott
[02:46] <harrrismrubin> all in one code ActionParsnip
[02:46] <escott> codeshepherd, if your reason for wanting to upgrade is a CVE notice i wouldn't install a ppa. you are more likely to get slower updates in the future
[02:46] <kallisti> Dr_Willis: is there no way to relocate the liveCD to hard disk or just load the whole thing into RAM?
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> kallisti:  used to be a toram option. but ive not  tried that in ages
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: then run all this (without the top line): http://paste.ubuntu.com/1038306/
[02:47] <escott> kallisti, whats wrong with just letting the livecd use your existing swap. it might be slow but it should work
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> iso/grub2 would relocate /boot it from hard disk. freeing up the cd.
[02:47] <trism> CrazyGangster: is it still working? if so you can probably safely ignore the warnings (I haven't used the tool, and I don't see any bugs with the message)
[02:48] <sacarlson> codeshepherd: see https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/php5  it's 5.4.X  and supports from lucid up to precies
[02:48] <kallisti> escott: nothing is wrong with that. that's what I'm trying to do.
[02:48] <codeshepherd> the bug is https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61045  trism
[02:48] <kallisti> I need the whole liveCD in ram (which includes my swap) so that I can change the CD out.
[02:49] <escott> kallisti, oh. that wont work
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> might be worth  googling for '12.04 toram'
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> seen quite a few distros have a toram option.
[02:49] <kassiocarlos> alguém de João Pessoa PB
[02:50] <kallisti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM   this says:  Unnecessary on 11.04 LiveCD. Casper now includes a functioning toram option, which even works with the iso-scan/filename= option.
[02:50] <kallisti> but othewise doesn't specify how to do that.
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> edit the boot line like you would for nomodeset, only add 'toram' instead of nomodeset
[02:50] <harrrismrubin> now what ActionParsnip
[02:51] <jonathon> escott, Not showing on there either, which font should I use?
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: does that work in ubuntu?
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: if you run:  sudo apt-get update
[02:51] <kassiocarlos> oi
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> there may be a toram option in the f5/f6 options
[02:51] <trism> codeshepherd: there is a bug about it on launchpad: bug 999969 so that one probably isn't fixed unfortunately
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip:  not tried it in ages. no idea
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: I know it works in puppy :)
[02:52] <escott> jonathon, sorry i dont know then. gvim supports unicode so as long as your font has the correct unicode characters it should work
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> works in tinycorelinux also
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: is it smooth now?
[02:52] <harrrismrubin> it is running
[02:53] <harrrismrubin> if i remove a app will the source that is for it be removed
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> 'source' meaning?
[02:53] <codeshepherd> thanks trism
[02:54] <harrrismrubin> no same thing
[02:54] <strictland> hello everyone, I get this error when my system boots up... Error: out of disk. grub rescue>
[02:54] <harrrismrubin> still has the duplicate
[02:54] <kallisti> Dr_Willis: well it seems to be working so far without the liveCD in, but it is taking a long time at "creating image checksum" when I attempt to burn this CD so maybe it's waiting for a binary to load
[02:55] <strictland> i simply ctrl+alt+del and it boot up fine... but how can I avoid that whole error message
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> md5summing a 700mb file may take some time.
[02:55] <natervader13> strictland: just clear up some space on your hdd, otherwise go to the interwebs for answers
[02:56] <escott> strictland, you mean it boots find warm, but not cold?
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> grub failing due to a full hrd drive? cantg say ive ever seen that'
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> strictland, there is a out of disc option in the advanced part of this tool. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[02:56] <escott> natervader13, thats not what out of disk means
[02:57] <strictland> wilee-nilee, I'll look into it
[02:57] <harrrismrubin> ActionParsnip,  all smooth
[02:58] <strictland> for the record, my hdd still has plenty of room, like 25gb free
[02:59] <wilee-nilee> strictland, if you continue to have problems start a thread on the ubuntu forums with the out of disc in the header.
[02:59] <escott> strictland, it has nothing to do with the disk usage
[02:59] <escott> strictland, it means roughly "i asked the bios to read some part of the disk, and the bios gave me an error, i guess im 'out of disk'"
[03:00] <escott> strictland, so it could be a bios bug, or it could be an issue with your partition tables
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> strictland, it is the limitations on how for on to the disc can be read 136 gigs or so I believe
[03:00] <escott> strictland, you might try creating a small boot partition at the front of the disk and using that
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> strictland, escott is correct here, +1
[03:01] <agc93> anyone got any ideas if a program is giving python invalid literal errors on starting? Never happened before.
[03:01] <agc93> Seems to have something to do with recent logs
[03:02] <sacarlson> agc93: what app do we speak of?
[03:02] <agc93> mirage
[03:03] <agc93> wont even start
[03:03] <notsmelly> hey all
[03:04] <qwebirc792331> can anyone help me out
[03:04] <ActionParsnip> harrrismrubin: sweet, good to go :)
[03:04] <qwebirc792331> i just built a new computer, and for some reason when i try to boot ubuntu from a usb
[03:04] <qwebirc792331> it goes to the screen whre i have to press a key on the keyboard
[03:04] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: what GPU do you use?
[03:04] <qwebirc792331> then i do that and select install ubuntu, then it goes to a black screen with flashing cursor
[03:05] <qwebirc792331> gtx550ti
[03:05] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: add the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[03:05] <qwebirc792331> and how do i do this?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> wonder how that differs from nomodeset
[03:05] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: and ease up on the ENTER key, posting a long long long question like this I am doing now is better than lots of lines
[03:05] <ActionParsnip> !bootoption | qwebirc792331
[03:05] <qwebirc792331> okay thanks
[03:06] <Frood> qwebirc792331: this is unrelated to your question, but what do you think about the 550 ti?
[03:06] <escott> Dr_Willis, thats blacklisting the nouveau module in its entirety. not just saying "kernel don't do modesetting"
[03:06] <qwebirc792331> idk, haven't used it yet ahaha
[03:06] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: the display timings were moved into the kernel, I believe nomodeset defaults it to the old regime
[03:06] <Frood> ah, okay
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> on my nvidia machines where i used to have to use nomodeset. ;) ive noticed i dont need it any more
[03:06] <escott> Dr_Willis, you can still have nouveau with nomodeset in which case X does its own probing and modesetting
[03:07] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 explains it nicely
[03:07] <qwebirc792331> so right now, i'm redownloading the iso file, of 12.04.  is there any way I can change the boot options on this computer?
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> be nice if ghey had some of thse common options  we seem to suggst in here daily.. on the grub/boot menus easier to get to
[03:07] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: read the link ubottu gave, that's why I made her give it....
[03:07] <fission6> do these insturctions look well "advised" http://utkarshsengar.com/2011/01/manage-multiple-accounts-on-1-amazon-ec2-instance/
[03:08] <Dr_Willis> qwebirc792331:  why redownloading it? You just boot thecd. and  append the right options to the boot line. like the guides show
[03:09] <sacarlson> qwebirc792331: redownloading the iso?  why did the md5sum mismatch?
[03:09] <qwebirc792331> no i just thought maybe I did something wrong so I'm trying it from windows now
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> trying 'what' from windows now?
[03:10] <strictland> my hdd is 80gb, 15gb alloted for swap, and 60 gb for my boot partition, about 32gb used and roughly 27gb unused...
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: some nvidia GPUs don't like the nouveau driver, by blacklisting it you will use the nv driver which will more than likely work
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> strictland: how much RAM do you have?
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> strictland:  you mean 60gb for 'root partition' not /boot ?
[03:10] <strictland> 16gb
[03:10] <strictland> 16gb ram
[03:11] <ActionParsnip> strictland: you only need 16Gb then, if you don't need hibernate you probably won't need swap at all
[03:11] <qwebirc792331> thanks action parsnip, i'm gonna do some searching im not even sure what nouveau driver means....
[03:11] <ActionParsnip> strictland: /boot will need to be 100Mb at most
[03:11] <poter> hola
[03:11] <ActionParsnip> strictland: if you mean the root partition to hold the OS then 10Gb is probably enough
[03:11] <polygons> hey guys, when i go to open my home directory, i get this:  Failed to open directory "brad".  Error stating file '/home/brad/.gvfs': Transport endpoint is not connected.  i think this happened after my laptop crashed and i had to cold-restart.  thanks!
[03:12] <escott> strictland, with that broken bios keep you /boot under 100MB and put it at the very front of the disk
[03:12] <ActionParsnip> strictland: you can assign the rest for /home to store your user data
[03:12] <ActionParsnip> escott: old school
[03:13] <strictland> i feel like a noob now, but be patient with me... in gparted, it shows mount point "/" with a size of 59.60gb, used 32gb and unused 27gb, under the flags category, it says "boot"....
[03:15] <agc93> a boot partition would be a separate one with mount point /boot
[03:15] <escott> strictland, flags shouldnt matter, but with your broken bios they might
[03:15] <agc93> the boot flag just says that the partition can be booted from
[03:16] <qwebirc792331> !bootoption
[03:16] <ActionParsnip> strictland: yes, it uses that partition to boot with.
[03:17] <strictland> so its seems i shouldnt have trouble with my available space correct? why the error message?
[03:17] <qwebirc792331> actionparsnip:  I'm still not clear on how I do this, do I create the live disk (USB), then go into it from ubuntu that I have installed on this computer and edit the boot options?
[03:17] <escott> strictland, its a bug in your bios. just make 100MB of space at the front of the disk. create a /boot partition there, mark it bootable and you should be ok
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: read the page, its why it exists
[03:18] <strictland> i okay, i can do this within gparted, or do i have to boot from live cd and do this
[03:18] <harrrismrubin> gtg bye
[03:18] <harrrismrubin> thnx for all of your help
[03:18] <escott> strictland, livecd
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> qwebirc792331:  i thinkthe  nomodeset wiki page shows scrfeen shots of almost the same procedure, only with a differnt option
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset
[03:19] <qwebirc792331> No I understand, but when I loaded it before, it wouldn't let me use any F key other than F1
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, there is failsafe boot in the recovery of grub as well.
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> boot cd..tap the space key like crazy wwhen a little man=keybord option imagee appears
[03:19] <VirtualBlackness> Dr_Willis: space or shift?
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> for the cd its space i belive..
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> shift
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> for a grub/insgtall its shift
[03:20] <VirtualBlackness> Dr_Willis: I know it WAS escape... it is possible all three work at this point.
[03:20] <wilee-nilee> shift for the cd as well
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> actually on the instal cd it maybe any case..
[03:20] <strictland> okay escott, thanks for the help.... and just so i don't miss anything.... should i do the boot-repair thing wilee nilee mentioned earlier before the /boot? or just the /boot thing?
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> aany key
[03:20] <escott> strictland, you'll also need to copy the files in /boot to your new partition, mount everything and chroot in and reinstall grub onto the mbr
[03:21] <escott> strictland, from what you said earlier grub is working. at least on warm boots. but on cold boots the bios hiccups. so grub is not the problem
[03:22] <ActionParsnip> qwebirc792331: try SHIFT
[03:24] <Skaperen> hmmm ... writing a solid data pattern on a flash drive really is faster if the entire patter is all 0xff bytes
[03:25] <escott> Skaperen, thats probably the pattern the firmware uses for unallocated
[03:29] <KRomo> can anyone suggest  a domain hosting company?
[03:29] <KRomo> im using dotster and they are too expensive
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[03:30] <daslinkard> Hello room!
[03:32] <sergioguerra> Help i just installed ubuntu 10.04 and i cant get wifi on?
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> KRomo: noip is free
[03:33] <KRomo> oh hey ActionParsnip !
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: why are you not using Precise?
[03:33] <McKooter> Ìû
[03:34] <sergioguerra> action cause want to use 10.04 please help!
[03:34] <KRomo> can i transfer my domain to noip?
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> jello. ;0
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: what wifi chip are you using?
[03:34] <pikkachu> in user management, option to encrypt home dir is gone since 12.04, even though it existed in the installer's account creation. Any clue?
[03:34] <sergioguerra> broadcam im using a netbook
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom
[03:35] <sergioguerra> no i cant do thaty
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: why not?
[03:35] <sergioguerra> hold on
[03:35]  * ActionParsnip shrugs
[03:36] <codeshepherd> i want to install php 5.3.9 in ubuntu 12.04 via apt-get - what repository should I add?
[03:36] <sergioguerra> action cause i cant get on the internet on that one!
[03:37] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: read the whole page, there is an offline option!
[03:37] <tryingtoboot> !bootoptions
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> or run a cable and use the addational-drivers tool  for a few min.
[03:37] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: not only that, tyhe netbook is mobile, so you can move it near the router and get a wired connection which makes life a tonne easier
[03:37] <escott> pikkachu, because its much more complicated to setup after the fact
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> my netbook dident need any extra drivers for wireless to work.  runs 12.04 great also
[03:38] <lizzin> i am trying to install 'sbt'. the site says to first install a 'deb'. how do i do this?
[03:38] <sergioguerra> action
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: why are you wanting to use Lucid, its so old. What could the reason possibly be?
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> lizzin:  .deb is the extension for  packages for debian/ubuntu
[03:39] <tryingtoboot> what was the command to blacklist the nouveau driver on boot options?
[03:39] <agc93> If you have the deb file, just double click it to install
[03:39] <sergioguerra> i dont have a usb stick
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: how did you install then?
[03:39] <sergioguerra> wubi
[03:39] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: but how do you install it?
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: oh jeez it gets better and better
[03:40] <lizzin> agc93: is there a way to install it via terminal?
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> lizzin:  download tghe  file. be sure to get the  .deb version, double click...
[03:40] <sergioguerra> oh dur i just have to down load them from windows IM SUCH A DIPSHIT
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: no need there is a native driver
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> sergioguerra:  id just run a network cable for 5 min...
[03:40] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: is there a way to install without a mouse, from terminal?
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> sergioguerra: grab a wired connection and it will be available in the additional drivers
[03:40] <sergioguerra> action i cant its my FREINDS WIfi
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> !apt | lizzin
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> lizzin:  sudo dpng -i foo.deb
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> oops.. dpkg -i foo.deb
[03:41] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: ok thanks, ill read up on that
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> lizzin:  or 'gdebi foo.deb'
[03:42] <tryingtoboot> blomg thank you guys so much.... ubuntu 12.04 is loading now i can safely say that I didnt install any hardware wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:45] <tryingtoboot> ahaha my hard drive is in wrong
[03:45] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: https://github.com/harrah/xsbt/wiki/Getting-Started-Setup .this says to install the deb, which i did with 'sudo dpkg -i foo.deb' but 'apt-cache search sbt' still doesnt show an sbt pkg. any idea what could be going wrong here?
[03:45] <pikkachu> escott: because to what why? what fact?
[03:46] <escott> pikkachu, all the user data has to be moved into a new encrypted partition which has to be mounted in a non-standard place. basically momentarily doubles the disk usage
[03:47] <pikkachu> escott: the user wasn't created yet
[03:48] <escott> pikkachu, oh. thought you were talking about an existing user.
[03:48] <pikkachu> escott: so the approach changed?
[03:48] <escott> pikkachu, i guess its just a gui change then
[03:49] <pikkachu> escott: in 11.10, I could create an user and encrypt his *home*, the encryption was done with *his password* which hence worked as a passphrase
[03:49] <Exploiter> how can I change sound theme (newly placed in usr/something/sound) in ubuntu 12.04?
[03:49] <JW1> Hi all, does anyone know how to associate a file type with a command that does not appear in the right-click menu?
[03:50] <pikkachu> escott: 12.04 works the same way, checking home encryption for the user you need to create there will require you to fill in a password
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> Serotonergic: it will still have ethernet ports...
[03:50] <Exploiter> how can I change sound theme (newly placed in usr/something/sound) in ubuntu 12.04?
[03:50] <KRomo> can anyone suggest  a domain hosting company that is like super cheap? lol
[03:51] <KRomo> noip is $15 year
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> Exploiter: in the sound app in Unity, you can change the sound theme there
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> KRomo: 15 a year is nothing
[03:51] <KRomo> just for the domain
[03:51] <KRomo> no web hosting
[03:51] <Exploiter> ActionParsnip: I m in gnome classic and i dont no that app
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> Exploiter: there is still the sound app in the menus some place
[03:52] <JW1> For instance, I open up my home folder, and I have a file with an extension of .log, and I right-click on the file and I get "Open With" and several options, but none of those options work for me
[03:52] <JW1> I choose "Open With Other Application" but the application that I want to use doesn't appear there either
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> JW1: file extensions in Linux don't mean much
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> JW1: what app do you want to use?
[03:53] <JW1> wxmacmolplt
[03:53] <Exploiter> ActionParsnip, Can you tell me the exact one, because system tool > system setting does not allow me to change theme, just the aler sound and new theme is not there
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> Exploiter: search through for sound, you'll find it, possibly in system
[03:55] <Exploiter> i quit
[03:55] <JW1> ActionParsnip, the program is wxmacmolplt, it does not come with the standard Ubuntu distribution nor is it on the Ubuntu servers
[03:55] <ActionParsnip> JW1: bit of a hack but you could add: TextEditor;    to the end of the categories line in the .desktop file for the app in /usr/share/applications
[03:55] <agc93> anyone here use GNOME 3 and multiple monitors?
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> agc93: I'm sure many do
[03:56] <WhiteStarEOF> Is there a way I can figure out what module is driving wlan0?
[03:56] <pikkachu> does anyone know why the check for encrypting a user's home doesn't show anymore in 12.04?
[03:56] <JW1> ActionParsnip, where would I add it in this file?  It looks like this file has the format of variable=value
[03:56] <pikkachu> what's the purpose of the templates dir in home?
[03:57] <agc93> Has anyone on GNOME 3 managed to get a second monitor to display *above* the first monitor?
[03:57] <JW1> ActionParsnip, oh never mind, I just read your last comment, thanks
[03:57] <Omen_20> Hi, I'm trying to go on standby and I'm getting an error "could not write bytes broken pipe"
[03:58] <Codedninja> Can anyone help me?
[03:58] <Codedninja> http://www.bvog.com/?post=IDWC6nEQgT73gCnzj
[03:59] <JW1> ActionParsnip, that didn't seem to work, wxmacmolplt still doesn't show up when I right-click on a .log file
[04:00] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: its so that when you right click and selct new, the files you make in there will be referenced
[04:00] <ActionParsnip> JW1: try logging off and on
[04:00] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: just realized that i needed to do 'apt-get update'
[04:00] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: thanks
[04:00] <JW1> ActionParsnip, hmm is there a way to do it without restarting my session?  I have a job running that I would prefer not to interrupt
[04:01] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: usually you will make blank files in there. Commands like:  touch ~/Templates/Blank\ Writer\ Doc.odt      will make a template for you
[04:01] <ActionParsnip> JW1: not sure, i'd just wait for the job to finish. Maybe they are read periodically...
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: and:  touch ~/Templates/Blank\ Text\ Doc.txt
[04:02] <lizzin> Dr_Willis: https://github.com/harrah/xsbt/wiki/Getting-Started-Setup .this says to install the deb, which i did with 'sudo dpkg -i foo.deb' but 'apt-cache search sbt' still doesnt show an sbt pkg. any idea what could be going wrong here?
[04:03] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: you can now right click in nautilus and make new files, kinda like in WIndows
[04:03] <JW1> ActionParsnip, unfortunately the job will take several more days to finish.  Guess I will try it out then.
[04:03] <ActionParsnip> JW1: wow, large job!
[04:03] <JW1> ActionParsnip, it is a quantum chemical calculation
[04:04] <ActionParsnip> JW1: dang
[04:05] <glitsj16> JW1: if wxmacmolplt has an 'Open File' option you could start it and pen the .log file in question from inside it temporarily no?
[04:06] <duhamel> i have just installed fresh ubuntu studio 12.04 alongside windows 7 on 128gb ssd, i designated my old home parttion on a seperate 2tb hdd as the fresh installs home partition. in terminal it goes straight into old home when i type cd /home/ but on desktop home icon is empty how do i get the old /home into that icon?
[04:07] <duhamel> sorry that was long winded.
[04:07] <ActionParsnip> duhamel: on the desktop is it just a symlink?
[04:07] <duhamel> whewn i look in gpart i don't see a second home partition anywhere.
[04:08] <ActionParsnip> duhamel: if it's on a seperate drive, you will need to switch gparted to manipulate the other drive
[04:08] <duhamel> ActionParsnip: im not sure, how woul;d i know? im a noob.
[04:08] <duhamel> Im a noob.
[04:08] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: the idea is having templates just for the file names? (because touch create empty files)
[04:08] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: I feel like no
[04:09] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: I will make a test
[04:09] <hptwhite> i have a canon pixma mp560 printer and running ubuntu 11 (i think). my printer is on wifi wpa2 and my computer is also connected wirelessly on the same network. is there a good tuorial out there i can go to, to get this figured out? i tried google, but not getting very far
[04:09] <JW1> glitsj16, yes however the file in question is on a remote machine, so I'd like to be able to connect to the remote machine via the Desktop Browser and right-click to open the file in wxmacmolplt (like I can in Windows)
[04:09] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: yes but the file names etc will make the blank docs, you can have anything you want in there
[04:09] <ActionParsnip> duhamel: if you run:  ls ~/Desktop    do you see the file you use to access the home?
[04:09] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: but complex types won't work I think, for example ODT files
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> hptwhite: did you try the canon site? They make debs for driver for their products some times
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: sure it will, try it
[04:10] <duhamel> no. i see nothing. it's empty.
[04:10] <JW1> Sorry, that should be the file browser, not the desktop browser
[04:11] <glitsj16> JW1: fair enough .. what about adding the mime-type 'application/x-log' to the .desktop file for wxmacmolplt?
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> duhamel: ok, if you run: ln -s $HOME ~/Desktop/HOME     you should see a handy link :)
[04:11] <hptwhite> ActionParsnip: getting the driver loaded isnt the issue; its getting it connected wirelessly that is. i dont know which wireless option to choose from the printer setup and even if i did, i wouldnt know how to put in the address
[04:11] <harshadura> !seen niklas
[04:12] <JW1> glitsj16, how would I go about doing that?
[04:12] <ActionParsnip> hptwhite: I'd check your manual then
[04:12] <ActionParsnip> JW1: same way you added the TextEditor   option I gave..
[04:12] <duhamel> could it be because i gave my last ubuntu install a different name?
[04:12] <JW1> ActionParsnip, but I don't see a mime type variable in the .desktop value, what is the precise syntax?
[04:12] <Exploiter> ActionParsnip, Can you tell me the exact one, because system tool > system setting does not allow me to change theme, just the aler sound and new theme is not there
[04:13] <ActionParsnip> JW1: look at some of the others, you will see the category. With you stating this sort of thing I'm doubting you did what I sugegsted earlier at all...
[04:14] <ActionParsnip> duhamel: the system name is irrelevant, you may need to chown the old data to the new user
[04:14] <JW1> ActionParsnip, no I did, because I just had to append it to the end of an existing variable, but there is no mime type variable in the .desktop file
[04:15] <duhamel> how do i do that, i just realized i can see the old name and new home name can i merge them?
[04:15] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: it is an empty file, not an ODT or whatever, you'll need to rely on how the underlying apps would handle an empty file
[04:15] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: LibreOffice's Calc for example shows a filter dialog for an empty file
[04:15] <glitsj16> JW1: add a new line containing 'MimeType=application/x-log' to it
[04:15] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: we just have to use the proper app to create the model
[04:16] <hellyeah> hey
[04:16] <ActionParsnip> JW1: look for: MimeType=    in the .desktop file and add what glitsj16 suggested
[04:16] <hellyeah> i always took an error like error: spars file not allowed what does that mean
[04:16] <ActionParsnip> pikkachu: I guess, but now you know what the folder is for :)
[04:16] <glitsj16> JW1: and come to think of it .. there should always be the option to use a custom command to open your .log file with
[04:16] <pikkachu> ActionParsnip: yeah, thanks!
[04:17] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: what triggers the error?
[04:17] <hellyeah> what do you mean? this occured after selecting ubuntu from grub
[04:17] <JW1> glitsj16, that is what I would think too, but I cannot find it
[04:18] <hellyeah> i saw this error like 30 secs then it went on with normal boot
[04:18] <ActionParsnip> JW1: use the search function in the text editor you are using, or just add the line in full
[04:18] <hellyeah> may be it was meaningless i dont know but i took same error 10.04 10.10 and current version
[04:18] <JW1> ActionParsnip and glitsj16 unfortunately the MimeType trick didn't work either
[04:18] <glitsj16> JW1: first choose the 'Open with other application' menu, it is there
[04:18] <JW1> glitsj16, okay did that
[04:18] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: are you using btrfs?
[04:19] <hellyeah> yeah
[04:19] <hellyeah> because of btrfs
[04:19] <glitsj16> JW1: don't it show 'use a custom command' arrow below?
[04:19] <hellyeah> ?
[04:19] <JW1> glitsj16, no
[04:19] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: yeah I had the same in btrfs
[04:19] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/736743
[04:19] <glitsj16> JW1: strange ... what file manager are you using?
[04:20] <JW1> glitsj16, I am using the standard file browser, the icon the second from the top on the Unity toolbar
[04:21] <hellyeah> hmm i guess there is no solution yet it seems harmless
[04:21] <slicknick5181> how do i install a .package file
[04:21] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/464743   has a few lines you can remove from grub.cfg but you will need to remove it each time...
[04:21] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: yeah its fairly harmless as far as I know, I switched back to Ext4 though. I found btrfs to be slow
[04:22] <JW1> glitsj16, I get a button that says "Show other applications", and I click that and wxmacmolplt doesn't show up there either, and there are no arrows for selecting a custom command
[04:22] <JW1> glitsj16, I also get a "Find applications online" button and that doesn't help either
[04:22] <glitsj16> JW1: i use thunar, just checked that you are correct: nautilus (the file manager you're using doesn't have that option)
[04:22] <hellyeah> hmm slow how come? because ıof the structure btrfs use afaik ext4 use doble linked list btrfs use balance tree
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> hellyeah: no idea, just was noticably slower but I was due a reinstall so I formatted to Ext4
[04:23] <hellyeah> i gotcha
[04:24] <slicknick5181> how do I install a (dot) package file?
[04:24] <glitsj16> JW1: log out/log in seems needed for the mimetype setting to catch as well
[04:24] <KRomo> ActionParsnip, i went with godaddy :)
[04:24] <nobody1234> what is the best way to add an ubuntu machine to a windows domain.. I used likewise but it was a pain and I had issues i had to resolve with resolv.conf  by installing by openresolv
[04:24] <ActionParsnip> KRomo: good enough
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> slicknick5181:  you mean someappname.package ?
[04:25] <slicknick5181> Dr_Willis: Yes sir
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> nobody1234: http://www.youtube.com/embed/uwdlhrqy33Y?enablejsapi=1&autoplay=1&version=3&auto hide=1&iv_load_policy=3&wmode=opaque
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> slicknick5181:  i belie theres some 'autopackage' homepage with details on that. but  id suggest looking for a ppa, or other  repo with the app first.  that autopackage stuff has never worked well
[04:26] <fishbait> i ran sudo apt-get install wine now how do i install direct 3d?
[04:26] <federated_life> hey what happens if I install ubuntu along side windows from the cd if I already have a wubu installation present ?
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> fishbait: its there by default
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> fishbait:  wine has directx allredy built in.
[04:26] <fishbait> ok ty
[04:26] <nobody1234> dont most programs use opengl as an option too?
[04:26] <fishbait> working on installing star trek online.
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> federated_life:   i dont think the installer looks for wubi.
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> fishbait: wine is an abstraction for the directx calls in windows apps
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> !appdb
[04:27] <fishbait> oh i see
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> fishbait: make sure you chack the appdb for compatibility
[04:27] <fishbait> is the a #wine?
[04:27] <federated_life> how will I select which ubuntu to startup from if theyre both listed as ubuntu
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> !wine
[04:27] <fishbait> i prefer irc in old skool ways
[04:27] <slicknick5181> Dr_Willis: Ok thanks for the advice. Have you ever heard of Xtera graphics/drawling program
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> federated_life:  boot the windows install and then elext wubi.. i imagine
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> slicknick5181:  neverheard of it
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> fishbait: how do you mean?
[04:28] <federated_life> the real issue I have is that I can't shrink my windows disk even though I have 80GB free
[04:28] <rollitup> goodmorning folks
[04:28] <fishbait> i mean in my old skool ways*
[04:28] <slicknick5181> Dr_Willis: Thank you so much for ur time.. Do you have any experience with LTSP?
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> federated_life: may want to chkdsk and defrag it
[04:29] <rollitup> whenever I try to do an update in Precise Pangolin , the update happens but a red exclaimation mark is shown on the top taskbar
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> federated_life:  check the disk partioning scheme. only 4 primary partions allowed.
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> slicknick5181:  never needed lstp. i just use old pcs for x terminals. :0
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> fishbait: repeating the same words doesn't make it any clearer
[04:29] <fishbait> ah i was asking if wine had an irc support channel?
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> !wine | fishbait
[04:30] <slicknick5181> Dr_Willis: Makes sense to me lol.. thank you for ur time!
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> fishbait: yes, #winehq
[04:30] <fishbait> ty
[04:30] <federated_life> I used auslogics to defrag...but it doesnt solve the issue..
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> federated_life: are you using windows 7?
[04:30] <federated_life> yes
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> federated_life: Windows7 can shrink its own partitions
[04:31] <federated_life> yea, from computer manager in adminstrattive tasks
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> federated_life:  but shrinkingone - wont do much good if you have 4 primary partitions in use
[04:31] <federated_life> but it doesn't allow to shirnk more than like 7GB
[04:31] <JW1> Okay, thanks all for your help.  Good night.
[04:43] <WindBuntu> something new and strange just occured in my ubuntu 12.04, i looked at the top of my screen next to the little email icon and there was  red triangle with a red exclamation point inside of it. it warned me that something sint working with updates and to do it manually. i did that and sure enough there were 3 updates, so i installed them? is this a bug?
[04:43] <WindBuntu> isn't*
[04:44] <rollitup> WindBuntu: I am experiencing the same thing and am waiting to hear for someone to help us resolve this
[04:44] <WindBuntu> it had a bit of a malware feel to it
[04:44] <WindBuntu> but it prolly isnt
[04:45] <WindBuntu> i have never seen that signal in any ubuntu OS dating back to 8.04
[04:45] <WindBuntu> or in any other buntu
[04:45] <rollitup> i guess this maybe caused by some sources not being able to update coz the output i get when doing update also includes this Err http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main Sources                                 404  Not Found Err http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main i386 Packages                           404  Not Found Err http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main Sources                                 404  Not Found Err http://ppa.launchp
[04:46] <agc93> If the update process is interrupted, it can lead to packages needing be manually updated
[04:46] <agc93> or needing dpkg to reconfigure them
[04:46] <WindBuntu> looks like we have to manually update ubuntu now to be safe
[04:46] <agc93> I don't think I'd go that far
[04:46] <rollitup> i do the updates from the terminal
[04:46] <JoseeAntonioR> rollitup: That is because the PPA doesn't exist, it was removed or you typed the addess incorrectly
[04:47] <WindBuntu> i dont trust termianl for updates anymore
[04:47] <agc93> update-manager is definitely not malware
[04:47] <WindBuntu> ive seen it freeze
[04:47] <WindBuntu> or hang
[04:47] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: the PPA just won't be used, shouldn't cause issues
[04:47] <agc93> and why would you not trust terminal?
[04:47] <agc93> It's the safest way to do upgrades
[04:47] <rollitup> so do u think I should remove it from the PPA list
[04:47] <agc93> Probably a good idea rollitup
[04:47] <WindBuntu> ill never upgrade ubuntu in terminal again thats for sure
[04:47] <WindBuntu> ill just do clean installs
[04:47] <agc93> Terminal is definitely way more reliable than GUI
[04:47] <JoseeAntonioR> rollitup: If you want to, but the error won't cause malfunctions in the system
[04:48] <rollitup> ok
[04:48] <agc93> thats how I've done every upgrade since 9.10
[04:48] <WindBuntu> ive seen it hang and then just sit there for hours
[04:48] <WindBuntu> very very frustrating
[04:48] <agc93> the normal GNOME Terminal?
[04:48] <artie> Hi All, I hae a single user on my system that opens in a command line rather than the traditional gui/desktop. All the other users open into the gui normally. How do I change the settings so that all users open in gui mode?
[04:48] <Raji> Hai
[04:49] <WindBuntu> you will feel that way until it burns you a good one
[04:49] <JoseeAntonioR> artie: Have you checked you
[04:49] <agc93> Seems unlikely, as that would be indicative of the whole system hanging if the terminal session hangs
[04:49] <rollitup> also i haven't got most games that i downloaded to run, they always keep on hanging
[04:49] <agc93> artie: have you checked their session files?
[04:49] <rollitup> although i have 3 gigs of ram and an onboard Nvidia graphic card
[04:49] <JoseeAntonioR> artie: Have you checked you're using the Ubuntu theme when logging in?
[04:50] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: which games?
[04:51] <Raji> I am trying to install lamp server using tasksel but its showing a dialog box and then it stops. I just 2 days old in ubuntu
[04:52] <artie> osee: I have not checked session files, not even sure what they are. Not sure how to check what theme....but user knows lss than me, it's highly unlikely they did exotic changes.
[04:52] <ActionParsnip> Raji: is the ubuntu install fully updated?
[04:53] <rollitup> 0.AD and some others , i am able to install and run small games such as Gejeweled etc
[04:53] <Raji> ActionParsnip: Yes
[04:53] <Raji> 12.04
[04:54] <ActionParsnip> Raji: the release is irrelevant, if you run:  sudo apt-get update; sydi apt-get upgrade    are you fuly updated
[04:54] <WindBuntu> but anyway i was talking about updates not upgrades
[04:54] <Raji> ActionParsnip: Yes i updated yesterday
[04:54] <ActionParsnip> Raji: ok, run the taskel command and pastebin the output please
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> Raji:  tab key. space key. and enter key to selwct stuff in the dialog?
[04:55] <rollitup> ActionParsnip: Most of the games start but they keep stuck up on the initial page and aso the mouse gets very very slow
[04:55] <rollitup> almost frozen
[04:55] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: have you tried Unity2D?
[04:55] <Raji>
[04:56] <rollitup> i think i am using Unity 2D , how can i confirm this ?
[04:57] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: run:  ps -ef | grep compiz | grep -v compiz
[04:57] <hellyeah> brw
[04:57] <celthunder> well does 3d work?
[04:57] <hellyeah> ubuntu is little slow
[04:57] <federated_life> I trashed compiz, its bloated
[04:57] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: if you see compiz in the output you are using 3D
[04:57] <ActionParsnip> celthunder: in what sense?
[04:58] <Raji> Dr_Willis:  i juts typed in terminal Sudo tasksel then a dialog box came and i selected lamp server then clicked enter and then i was back into terminal
[04:58] <SDX> hellyeah: You might want to try Xubuntu if Ubuntu is slow.
[04:58] <federated_life> Im on xfce, its crap too
[04:58] <rollitup> ActionParsnip: does not give any output when i run that line
[04:59] <federated_life> just buy better hardware and os x
[04:59] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: then you are using 2D :)
[04:59] <rollitup> :)
[04:59] <ActionParsnip> rollitup: do you have 3D accelleration configured on your video hardware?
[04:59] <jazzyy> My install has a set size for /home/, is there any way to make it larger?
[04:59] <rollitup> no I haven't done that
[04:59] <Raji> Dr_Willis:  Now its showing tasksel:aptitude failed(100
[05:00] <rollitup> the only thing after installing Ubuntu was installed the proprietary drivers which was prompted to me
[05:00] <Raji> )
[05:00] <rollitup> and added the one's that came as Recommended
[05:01] <SDX> jazzyy, if you boot from a LiveCD you should be able to resize most, if not all of your partitions.
[05:01] <SDX> You don't have to reinstall from the LiveCD, just use the partition editor and then reboot.
[05:01] <rodhash> guys... need little help... wpa_supplicant is being initialised by init but I just installed it and didn't configure init.... under /etc/init or /etc/inet.d/ I found thong related to wpa
[05:01] <jazzyy> SDX: and that can resize specifically /home/? My partition is huge but the /home/ folder is limited to 30GB
[05:02] <SDX> jazzyy: Yes.
[05:02] <jazzyy> alright thanks!
[05:02] <Raji> ActionParsnip: tasksel:aptitude failed(100)
[05:03] <SDX> You're welcome.
[05:03] <cappicard> good evening. what's a good way to convert a compressed swf file to mp4 or avi?
[05:03] <cappicard> i'm using 12.04
[05:06] <jagginess> cappicard, swf isnt a video format
[05:07] <mi3> hello!
[05:07] <cappicard> well, i want to convert the flv contained inside it to avi
[05:07] <jagginess> cappicard, you're probably thinking of capturing the .flv stream.. there's probably tools for that..
[05:08] <rollitup> ActionParsnip: I haven't configured the 3d hardware accelearation for my graphic card
[05:08] <docvell> there is an add-on for Firefox
[05:08] <jagginess> cappicard, no need to convert .flv if you just want to play it (vlc can)
[05:08] <cappicard> but the problem is that it's compressed
[05:08] <docvell> for downloading .flv or making it an .mp4
[05:08] <cappicard> vlc and mplayer can't play compressed flv files
[05:09] <mi3> I have a dual boot operating system consisting of windows and ubuntu, I have two ntfs partitions of windows, and 1 ext4 partition of ubuntu, I intend to replace those two partitions with ext4, and remove windows entirely. Also, I need full control over the newly created ext4 partitions, can someone suggest how can I do all that ?
[05:09] <jagginess> cappicard, you have a sample? i think i've been able to playback any .flv
[05:10] <jagginess> mi3, gparted live cd
[05:10] <mi3> jagginess, I already have gparted on my ubuntu pc :D
[05:10] <cappicard> http://saiya-jin.dyndns-home.com/~cappicard/9-11-01/9-11-01-remembered.fla
[05:10] <jagginess> mi3, why not merge all3 into 1?
[05:11] <cappicard> http://saiya-jin.dyndns-home.com/~cappicard/9-11-01/9-11-01-remembered.swf is the flash file
[05:11] <jagginess> mi3, you also need swap (type 83) partition
[05:11] <mi3> jagginess, I need 2 seperate partitions to preserve some data such as movies and songs, so that , in case the home partition goes berserk, I can restore my data from that
[05:11] <Tux_1> and reinstall grub
[05:11] <mi3> jagginess, I have swap partition
[05:11] <jagginess> mi3, ?
[05:11] <mi3> jagginess, what ?
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> jagginess: could use a swap file instead :)
[05:12] <mi3> Tux_1, you were suggesting something , sir ?
[05:12] <mi3> HI ActionParsnip !!
[05:12] <mi3> ActionParsnip, how are you , sir :D
[05:12] <jagginess> mi3, well it doesnt make sense only 1 partition goes berserk.. it's usually it's either a few sectors or the whole drive (I started using Raid1 a few months back..)
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> mi3: tired, you?
[05:12] <mi3> ActionParsnip, having fun xD
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> mi3: awesome
[05:13] <Tux_1> yea, have the install dvd ready to reinstall grub
[05:13] <jagginess> mi3, /home and multi partitions are made when you have thousands of users..
[05:13] <docvell> I used to have a dual boot with Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.10 and later on decided to start fresh and install Ubuntu 12.04 full
[05:13] <jagginess> mi3, keep it simple :)
[05:13] <mi3> jagginess, but if I create the 2 partitions, will it be given the root permissions ? or will the limited account user still store data on it ?
[05:14] <jagginess> mi3, i thought you have only 1 ext4 partition
[05:14] <mi3> jagginess, yes I do
[05:14] <mi3> jagginess, I was talking about that permissions AFTER creating those partitions :D
[05:14] <jagginess> mi3, so backup your user data to usb.. then try to merge two blank/unallocated partition space to the ext4
[05:14] <neuroexploiter> guess whos back back agian
[05:15] <SDX> Woo.  Just finished downloading Xubuntu.
[05:15] <mi3> jagginess, I dont want to merge all 3 into 1, I need 2 ext4 partitions
[05:15] <mi3> SDX, YAYY
[05:15] <jagginess> mi3, of course have a ubuntu install cd at hand, you'll need to re-reun the grub-install command
[05:15] <SilentDis> SDX: what does xubuntu use as it's wm now?
[05:16] <mi3> so, jagginess err my writer is damaged, I threw it against the wall in anger xD
[05:16] <jagginess> mi3, you cant convert ntfs to ext4.. thats why i say to backup
[05:16] <SDX> I assumed it used Xfce WM.
[05:16] <SDX> xfwm4.
[05:16] <SilentDis> SDX: it's been a while, so I didn't know if they'd change or anything :)
[05:17] <Raji> While installing lamp server i am getting an errr message "Tasksel: aptitude failed(100)"
[05:17] <sobersabre> hi.
[05:17] <sobersabre> I'm trying to add udev rule: http://dpaste.com/758889/
[05:17] <sobersabre> need some feedback.
[05:17] <mi3> jagginess, I will give you a screenshot, wait
[05:20] <jagginess> cappicard, .fla isnt a compressed .flv stream -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF#Related_file_formats_and_extensions
[05:21] <subcool_> seriously?
[05:21] <subcool_> SOMEONE
[05:22] <subcool_> Do i really have to dl this in non-3d?
[05:22] <subcool_> HOW do i watch this movie!@?!
[05:22] <photonwave> Hi, I'm a total linux/ubuntu newbie, can someone direct me as to how I can upgrade by kernel?
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> hmm:
[05:22] <subcool_> Dr_Willis,
[05:22] <subcool_> your smart too
[05:22] <subcool_> help me
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  use the package manager tools they will upgrade the whole system to the latest versions in the repos
[05:23] <subcool_> PLEASE!
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> please what?
[05:23] <subcool_> i dl'ed a movie labeld 3d
[05:23] <subcool_> and - well it is showing in VLC in double vision, side by side
[05:23] <subcool_> how do i disable
[05:23] <subcool_> "3d"
[05:23] <photonwave> Dr_Willis from what I understand, the newest Ubuntu distro doesn't come with the newest kernel. If I use the package manager tools, will it upgrade to the newest kernel, or just the kernel that's included with the latest release of the Ubuntu distro?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> that sounds like 3d to me..
[05:24] <cappicard> but  the .swf contains the video i want to convert.
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  stick with whats in the repos is how it works.. unles syou have some real major need for a newer version.. its best to stay with whats int he repos
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> subcool_:  seen where dvdfab can convert a 3d movie to 2d.. i belive.. but never used it
[05:25] <photonwave> Dr_Willis I have a major need to upgrade my kernel, as my machine is rebooting every time I shutdown, and a newer kernel might solve the problem
[05:25] <jagginess> mi3, it says that because a "mounted" filesystem is preventing the disk partitioner from working on it. So "unmount" that partition in use.
[05:25] <wkay> hi there; sorry to disturb..; I got a problem & Im here to find some help..
[05:25] <subcool_> Dr_Willis, :(
[05:25] <mi3> jagginess, its already been unmounted :D
[05:25] <subcool_> so there isnt some like disable thing i can do?
[05:25] <jagginess> mi3, what did i tell you like 10 minutes ago?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  or it could be some less drastic acpi/power manager fix.  or the next kernel update may fix the issue
[05:25] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: I'd test RAM first
[05:26] <subcool_> ActionParsnip, your smart too- please help
[05:26] <linuxuz3r> hi
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: sup?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> subcool_:  never noticed.. i would be suprised if there is.
[05:26] <mi3> jagginess, what ?
[05:26] <sobersabre> guys, when you're trying to help ME, please don't interrupt each other: speak one by one.
[05:26] <sobersabre> :)
[05:26] <subcool_> I have jon carter in 3D..
[05:26] <jagginess> "<jagginess> mi3, gparted live cd"
[05:26]  * sobersabre needs help with udev...
[05:26] <jagginess> "live cd"
[05:26] <subcool_> VLC is viewing it in side by side
[05:26] <subcool_> i would like to watch it - in normal vieiwing
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: do other players play it ok?
[05:26] <mi3> jagginess, ok
[05:26] <mi3> jagginess, thanks :D
[05:26] <subcool_> ActionParsnip, idk.....
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: not thought to try....
[05:27] <SDX> Cover half of your monitor with a sheet of paper.
[05:27] <subcool_> i only have vlc and dragon....
[05:27] <photonwave> Dr_Willis any pointers on how to do a acpi/power manager fix would be appreciated. Also any links that would guide a newbie on how to upgrade their kernel would be appreciated.
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> 3d movies dont wwork for me. ;)
[05:27] <subcool_> i hate dragon
[05:27] <jagginess> mi3, you'll still need to know what's hooking that partition.. to be safest, it's always best to use partitioning outside the OS
[05:27] <wkay> Im using ub10.04 . im trying to set the "Super_L" key to startup terminal ..using this command "gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_terminal --type string "Super_L"" but didnot work ..someone can help me
[05:27] <wkay> ?
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: try dragon would be a natural thing to try then, wouldnt it
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  check the forums and askubntu for your exact make/model device. theres also some ppa's that might have newer kernels. but those are unsupported by this channel.
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> wkay: if you use terminal a lot I can recommend installing guake
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  'newbie upgradeing kernel' is like  'newbie learning to defuse a bomb'  not a good idea
[05:28] <subcool_> ActionParsnip, Dragon does the same, but massivily shakey
[05:28] <mi3> jagginess, I will find out about that later, after I have done a clean installation of ubuntu :D
[05:28] <mi3> jagginess, I am doing that
[05:29] <mi3> jagginess, but thanks :D
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: are there options in either player to accommodate the file?
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: have you asked in #mencoder or #ffmpeg
[05:30] <wkay> :) thanks ActionParsnip ; Ive used the windows key for years.. already used to it.. Ill try ur advice .. ; but how can I set that key?
[05:30] <brophat> it is possible to backup an entire hard drive so that when you install a new hardrive you can put the back up onto the new hardrive and the computer will boot and be exactly the same as it was before the new hard drive?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> brophat:  you can image the hd completely with dd if you want an exact clone.
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> !backup
[05:30] <brophat> Dr_Willis would you happen to know if the same thing is possible in windows?
[05:30] <photonwave> ActionParsnip I have dual channel  4G ram
[05:30] <subcool_> ActionParsnip, Dr_Willis hey- listen i hate to push this.. but ... please? im really really not in a great state right now. The most important person to me in the world died today.
[05:30] <SDX> You could try making an iso image of the file, but it might not work.
[05:31] <photonwave> Dr_Willis thanks for the pointers
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> subcool_:  i have never even owned a 3d movie - or 3d video file.    no idea how they work
[05:31] <subcool_> ActionParsnip, i have no idea if there are thing in theplaye rto accomodate this, and no- i havent asked anyplace else
[05:31] <photonwave> Dr_Willis this bug is really frustrating, as I bought a new machine and was hoping to have it work without any major problems
[05:31] <subcool_> Dr_Willis, neither have i..
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> subcool_:  other then seeing  dvdfab  mention some 3d-:2d converter feature.. thats all i know on the topic
[05:32] <subcool_> Dr_Willis, i just tried to ap-get it... not there
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  often with very 'bran d new, just came out' machines, theres patches that slowly make it into the kernel tree. so eventyally there may be a normal uupodate that fixs the issue
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> subcool_:  its a windows app...
[05:33] <subcool_> Dr_Willis, ouch.
[05:33] <subcool_> appears im not watchi this movie tonight
[05:33] <fizyplankton> lol subcool_
[05:33] <subcool_> fizyplankton, ya
[05:34] <subcool_> i spent 4 days dl'ing this movie to---- to delete it
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> subcool_:  it was mentioned that ffmpeg or mencoder Might be able to convert it.. tried doing any research on that  method yet?
[05:34] <subcool_> no- just finished d;ed it about 5 hour ago- when i foudn out my family member died
[05:34] <subcool_> not mcuh time to research it
[05:36] <subcool_> OPk- thanks
[05:36] <subcool_> later
[05:36] <subcool_> i have mourning to induce
[05:36] <subcool_> ill see u guys in a week or two
[05:38]  * Dr_Willis dosent have the hart to tell him that i hesrd that movie sort of stinks... ;)
[05:38] <ActionParsnip> subcool_: maybe you should buy films...
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> think i saw it at teh redbox koisk today also..
[05:39] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: why is the ram amount of interest?
[05:39] <photonwave> oh sorry, I assumed it was..
[05:39] <Blah1> is there a very small iso i can use to mount existing fs and update root forgotten root pw?   grub is broken on this system (blank screen instead of menu) so i can't use that option to boot into single user.  ubuntu remix is what i'm using now but it's a couple hundred megabytes and using it over IP is kinda slow
[05:39] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: no, if you are getting random reboots then a memtest is a good first step
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Blah1:  tinycorelinux = 10mb :)
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> Blah1: setting root pw isn't supported, needed or advised
[05:40] <photonwave> ActionParsnip I see, I'll check to see how to do that
[05:40] <Viking667> What application can record an audio stream both from my microphone and the audio from a program such as minecraft?
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: hold shift at boot, select memtest
[05:40] <Blah1> ActionParsnip, oh ya that's right i meant the ubuntu user ;)
[05:40] <Blah1> Dr_Willis, i'll try that one out.  thx
[05:40] <photonwave> ActionParsnip please note, it's not a random reboot, it always reboots after I shutdown
[05:40] <photonwave> ActionParsnip in case that changes any thing
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> Blah1: hold shift at bppt, select recovery mode, select root and you can set your password there
[05:41] <Blah1> ActionParsnip, what's 'bppt'?
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> Viking667:  i think there  was discussion of somthing like that last night.. its a bit hard to record both at the same time. but i think there was mention of using the pulse volumecontrol/tools to   let a recorder record both
[05:41] <ActionParsnip> Blah1: boot, typo
[05:41] <Viking667> so, his user doesn't have permission to shut down, but does have permission to reboot? I don't get that.
[05:41] <Blah1> ah ok.  i didn't know about that shift trick!  thanks
[05:41] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: if you run:  sudo shutdown -h now    does it turn off?
[05:42] <rodhash> hi
[05:42] <Himura> What am i missing here? I did a ssh-keygen copied the .pub key and pasted it at the authorized_keys at the remote machine, but still cant authenticate thgrough the keys.
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> amazeing the # of ways you can shutdown or reboot a linux box. :)
[05:42] <rodhash> how can I register in some group that looks to be protected?
[05:42] <Viking667> I'm trying to use "gnome-sound-recorder", but I can't balance the stereo mix against the microphone. Either I get just the application at normal volume, or I get seriously suppressed volume (i.e. 5%) on application, and too much volume on microphone.
[05:42] <photonwave> ActionParsnip no it reboots after the shutdown, like other cases
[05:42] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: indeed, plus the subtler ones like chainsaw
[05:42] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: same as a new user too?
[05:42] <glitsj16> Viking667: audio-recorder is very nice
[05:43] <Viking667> thank you. I'll look at that. Is that just the package name, or the name of the binary to execute?
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> photonwave:  ive seen bios setings that hafe the pc auto power back up after power failure, or similer.. that might be confused and causing the issue
[05:43] <glitsj16> Viking667: both :)
[05:43] <photonwave> ActionParsnip to be honest, I'm nto sure if I tried that exact command ("sudo shutdown -h now"). I can give it a try now. I don't know how to do it as a new user either..
[05:43] <Viking667> glitsj16: weird. I don't see it in apt-cache's search output
[05:44] <ActionParsnip> photonwave: try the command first, then make a new user if it's bad, log on as the new user and try shutting down there
[05:44] <glitsj16> Viking667: i might have gotten it from a PPA, please hold, i'll check
[05:44] <photonwave> ok I'll try it now
[05:45] <Viking667> sigh. Figures.
[05:48] <glitsj16> Viking667: https://launchpad.net/~osmoma/+archive/audio-recorder
[05:50] <Viking667> ah. I'll add that and see what packages he has.
[05:50] <Viking667> thank you.
[05:51] <glitsj16> Viking667: np
[05:51] <Viking667> meh. "apt-add-repository thaturl" gets me .... yeah. I'll check the sources.d/ out.
[05:51] <Himura> can anybody help me with ssh connections with keys authentication?
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> Himura:  about all ive ever done was ssh-keygen, then ssh-copy-id remotebox
[05:52] <Viking667> how do I ACTUALLY add that repo so that it imports the keys for me?
[05:52] <ubuntu_> ubuntu
[05:52] <Viking667> this silly thing doesn't have a man page for the apt-add-repository command. Sigh.
[05:52] <Himura> Dr_Willis: do i have to set something else at the remote box?
[05:52] <bazhang> !addppa | Viking667
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> apt-add-repository --help    perhaps?
[05:53] <ActionParsnip> Viking667: use add-apt-repository and the ppa address#
[05:53] <glitsj16> Viking667: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:osmoma/audio-recorder