[12:11] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm having a problem removing a package that has a bad posinst script
[02:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:59] <welshbyte> if an original source bundle is written in python and uses a setup.py script for installation, would i need to bypass it in and do all the installing manually in debian/rules or use the setup.py script in debian/rules?
[03:59] <Kyral> Assembler should die...
[03:59] <bddebian> No way
[03:59] <Kyral> Yes way
[04:00] <Kyral> for letting the idiot professor teach it
[04:00] <bddebian> Java should die
[04:00] <Kyral> I mean the guy is brillant
[04:00] <Kyral> but he can't teach worth a damn
[04:01] <Kyral> and yes, Java should die :P
[04:04] <Kyral> Python for EVER!
[04:18] <bddebian> Kyral: :-)
[06:32] <schweeb> what's up all, been a while since I've been around here
[06:32] <tritium> hey schweeb :)
[06:32] <schweeb> work = busy schweeb
[06:33] <schweeb> lotta work goin on now, or kinda coasting till Dapper release?
[06:34] <ajmitch> busy busy busy
[06:34] <ajmitch> get to work
[06:34] <bddebian> heh
[06:34] <schweeb> I'm workin on gettin to work
[06:34] <schweeb> been so long, I'm out of the loop
[06:34] <dholbach> hey schweeb
[06:34] <dholbach> hey tritium
[06:35] <schweeb> what's up dholbach, you all graduated now?
[06:35] <ajmitch> heh, you must be a little behind :)
[06:35] <tritium> hey dholbach :)
[06:35] <bddebian> schweeb: I felt the exact same way about 3-4 weeks ago..
[06:36] <ajmitch> schweeb: dholbach has been with canonical for a little while, whipping gnome & the desktop into submission
[06:36] <schweeb> oh yea, I had heard such stirrings
[06:37] <schweeb> I've just been slurping the dapper kool-aid, haven't had time to be in the loop or participate
[06:37] <schweeb> sooo, search launchpad for bugs?
[06:38] <ajmitch> yep
[06:38] <ajmitch> 10K or so for you to work on
[06:38] <dholbach> yeah :)
[06:38] <dholbach> schweeb, tritium: how are you guys?
[06:39] <schweeb> crazy busy, wishing they would hire someone else in my group
[06:39] <schweeb> but still laughing all the way to the bank
[06:40] <ajmitch> nice
[06:40] <tritium> dholbach: not bad, you?
[06:41] <dholbach> i'm fine - a bit tired - had to get up at 3:40
[06:41] <dholbach> to be at a meeting at 4 :)
[06:41] <schweeb> ick
[06:41] <dholbach> then I just got on working
[06:42] <ajmitch> that's just wrong
[06:44] <pschulz01> Greetings.. I have a patch for a package (mdbtools), can someone point me to a URL or explain what I should do next? (Email the developers directly or pass it through motu/launchpad?)
[06:45] <dholbach> pschulz01: file a bug report and assign to motureviewers
[06:45] <pschulz01> dholbach: launchpad?
[06:45] <dholbach> yes
[06:45] <schweeb> it appears as though mdbtools is in main
[06:46] <pschulz01> schweeb: iis it a motu issue then?
[06:47] <schweeb> I'm not sure what the current process is, I'll let dholbach speak for that
[06:47] <schweeb> still a bug report, but not sure who to assign to
[06:47] <dholbach> oh mdbtools is main
[06:48] <schweeb> yes
[06:48] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:51] <pschulz01> Yup.. I see it's in main.. I'll have a chat on #ubuntu+1
[06:54] <schweeb> hrmph
[06:55] <schweeb> just did a search for universe bugs in 6.06 and I'm only seeing 10 :-/
[06:55] <ajmitch> don't search for them by release
[06:56] <schweeb> here we go
[06:58] <Laser_away> ajmitch: so what is supposed to go on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/NotInDebian
[06:59] <ajmitch> you're asking me? :)
[06:59] <ajmitch> that url will be out of date, of course
[07:00] <ajmitch> use one of the ones on tiber
[07:00] <Laser_away> I saw you edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy so I wondered
[07:00] <ajmitch> the only thing I changed was ubuntu-discuss back to utnubu-discuss
[07:00] <schweeb> man
[07:01] <schweeb> bddebian as comments in like every bug I look at
[07:01] <schweeb> *has
[07:01] <Laser_away> ok, I'm away again
[07:01] <ajmitch> some helpful user trying to correct what was though to be a typo ;)
[07:01] <schweeb> busy busy
[07:04] <schweeb> and someone used the word "b0rks" in a bug title.  nice.
[07:36] <Laser_away> ajmitch: actually, I don't think that was a typo. the utnubu team is a real team (ubuntu backwards) ;-)
[07:40] <robitaille> http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/
[07:45] <ajmitch> yes, that's what I said
[08:43] <aa_> hi, I am author of a universe package, but the version in universe is a year old and we are nearly two major versions on from there
[08:43] <aa_> even unstable has had the newest one for a while now
[08:44] <aa_> package is pida
[08:44] <aa_> (and I am just the developer)
[08:53] <dholbach> aa_: thanks for letting us know - is the new versio mostly features or mostly fixes?
[08:57] <aa_> um, its almost a different application
[08:57] <aa_> I doubt it shares a word of code
[08:58] <aa_> dholbach: I noticed it in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=155529
[08:58] <dholbach> that's not really good :/
[08:58] <dholbach> because we're in upstream version freeze for quite a while now
[08:58] <aa_> I use dapper myself, but then I use pida from svn, so I never noticed :)
[08:59] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus lines out the process to get an UVF exception
[08:59] <aa_> um, cool thanks
[09:00] <aa_> but well (I don't mean to be all developery about it) I guess I should leave that up to you guys whether you care about it or not
[09:01] <aa_> I should file the bug though
[09:01] <aa_> :)
[09:01] <dholbach> if you say: that's something I can help you to support and it's a serious problem to have the old version in and I'm very confident in the new version, you should file a bug, yes
[09:01] <dholbach> that's a problem with ~20000 packages
[09:02] <aa_> oh well, that's kind of sad
[09:02] <dholbach> yeah, but it happens and I'm happy you jumped in.
[09:02] <aa_> I certainly can't make a package etc, I am just not clued
[09:03] <aa_> I guess I could learn
[09:03] <aa_> could I steal the debian unstable thing?
[09:03] <schweeb> you shouldn't have to make the package
[09:03] <schweeb> the instructions say nothing about that
[09:03] <schweeb> they want a diffstat of your upstream tarballs
[09:03] <aa_> "Please note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested! You will need this anyway to provide proper diffstats and buildlogs."
[09:03] <dholbach> aa_: we need the upstream changelog and a diffstat of the diff
[09:04] <dholbach> aa_: if you say you'll need somebody to do this for you that's fine
[09:04] <aa_> um, I misunderstood that last line then
[09:04] <dholbach> aa_: you can speak for an upstream release
[09:04] <dholbach> some people request stuff and didn't even test it
[09:04] <schweeb> I would count the debian package as an appropriate package
[09:04] <aa_> hah, diffstat for 500 svn revisions <grin>
[09:04] <aa_> actually, it is more like 800
[09:05] <aa_> I wish I had caught this before the freeze, anyway, thanks for the advice. Much appreciated
[09:07] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[09:15] <aa_> muahah, 500K diff
[09:15] <aa_> you really want it?
[09:19] <aa_> oh well, I attach it anyway
[09:22] <aa_> wow that bug tracker is nice to use
[09:44] <kelmo_lap> moin
[09:52] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[09:53] <Gloubiboulga> hello Toadstool
[09:53] <Toadstool> hey Gloubiboulga
[10:02] <aa_> I like launchpad so much I think I am going to register my product and use it. Anyway have a nice day everyone.
[10:34] <ivoks_live> hi
[10:34] <pygi> hello ivoks_live :)
[10:35] <ivoks_live> the thing just works :)
[10:35] <pygi> heh :) tried it for the first time now? :)
[10:35] <ivoks_live> yes
[10:35] <pygi> nice =P
[10:35] <ivoks_live> even my synaptic sid scroll works out of the box :)
[10:35] <ivoks_live> s/sid/side
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi all
[10:36] <pygi> :-P
[10:36] <ivoks_live> uh... clock is wrong :)
[10:36] <pygi> really? :) file a bug :P
[10:37] <ivoks_live> eh... back to the disk
[10:43] <ivoks> eh... we have a great distribution here :)
[10:43] <ivoks> i would say the best :)
[10:43] <pygi> ivoks: hehe :P
[10:45] <pygi> ivoks: we have to make it even better :)
[10:46] <ivoks> that's why we are all here
[10:47] <pygi> agreed
[11:45] <zakame> hi all
[11:48] <ajmitch> zakame: so what SoC spec are you going to do? ;)
[11:48] <zakame> ajmitch: for ubuntu?  I'm thinking of BetterBugreportingTools :)
[11:48] <ajmitch> ah ncie
[11:49] <ajmitch> I was thinking of selinux or even network-auth
[11:49] <ajmitch> since network-auth is rather useful to have
[11:49] <zakame> yeah network-auth needs a lot of love :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> might be some competition for that one though :)
[11:49] <pygi> ajmitch: if you feel confident, network-auth is what I suggest :)
[11:50] <ajmitch> pygi: of course I'm confident ;)
[11:51] <zakame> I was supposed to try that one out, but turns out I need more eXP :D
[11:51] <pygi> ajmitch: heh :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> pygi: depends if there's someone who can adequately mentor that, with time
[11:52] <pygi> ajmitch: yes, we have mentor for that
[11:53] <ajmitch> good
[11:53] <ajmitch> am I allowed to ask who? :)
[11:53] <pygi> no, no, that's a top secret :)
[11:54] <pygi> anyway, just write a good application
[11:54] <pygi> altought I don't think it can be any worse *actually it can* from the one we received already =P
[11:55] <zakame> yup
[11:55] <ajmitch> heh
[11:55] <tseng> hi
[11:56] <zakame> hello tseng
[11:56] <cbx33> but i just don't have the time for it
[11:57] <zakame> aww
[11:57] <pygi> ajmitch: it's mithrandir
[11:57] <cbx33> yeh, too much edubuntu work
[11:57] <ajmitch> pygi: I expected that
[11:57] <pygi> cbx33: you can do a SoC project for Edubuntu
[11:58] <zakame> cbx33: btwcongrats yon your new edubuntu membership :)
[11:58] <cbx33> thank you zakame
[11:59] <pygi> cbx33: no really...why don't you choose a SoC project related to Edubuntu?
[11:59] <cbx33> pygi: I could, but I think for anything that would be useful to edubuntu the mentoring would be too great :p - I'm a good all round coder, can hack up most things, but would need a lot of help with like python cos i never used it
[11:59] <cbx33> well not in any great depth
[11:59] <cbx33> I've done PHP and a lot of other scripting lanugages 15 in all :p  but nothing anyone would consider a proper languague
[11:59] <pygi> cbx33: well, you can learn python :)
[11:59] <cbx33> done some C
[12:00] <cbx33> a little c++ recently
[12:01] <pygi> cbx33: python (at least basics of it) can be taught rather fast
[12:01] <cbx33> yes so I've heard
[12:01] <cbx33> i mena i read through some code the other day, and...i mean I understand it...but wouldn't be able to write it at the moment
[12:02] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I'd be a lot happier to see a person like you grab the NetworkAuth soc than the current guy, at least from what I've seen so far.
[12:03] <pygi> Mithrandir: I hearily agreed
[12:03] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: that bad?
[12:03] <zakame> Mithrandir++
[12:03] <pygi> ajmitch: very bad =P
[12:03] <ajmitch> sigh
[12:03] <ajmitch> I'll put something together tomorrow
[12:04] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: you're quite good, so in comparison, quite bad.  Actually, more that his application is incomplete and doesn't really convince me.
[12:04] <ajmitch> right
[12:04] <ajmitch> I'll have to see if I could get server+client-side stuff done in time to a reasonable level
[12:05] <ajmitch> I'd say it's fairly possible :)
[12:06] <Mithrandir> it's a fair bit of work, but if you know your way around how network authentication generally works, it's doable.
[12:07] <tseng> *cringe*, pam.d
[12:07] <ajmitch> I should have access to both netware & AD setups here
[12:07] <ajmitch> the main one would be LDAP
[12:07] <tseng> i use krb5 with ad
[12:09] <cbx33> ajmitch: go for it, I want that code once it's done :p
[12:09] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: if we just end up with something that's a basis for doing really simple rollouts of AD-like setups, I'd be really, really happy.
[12:10] <cbx33> I thought about it
[12:10] <ajmitch> ok, good
[12:10] <cbx33> ajmitch: I'd be happy to test anything if ya need it
[12:10] <ajmitch> thanks
[12:11] <ajmitch> I'd probably want lots of testers, of course
[12:11] <cbx33> hehe
[12:11] <ajmitch> no way I could setup all the test networks required
[12:12] <cbx33> ajmitch: that's just not dedicated enough
[12:12] <pygi> talk to you all later
[12:12] <cbx33> :p
[12:12] <cbx33> bye pygi
[12:12] <ajmitch> cbx33: I know, but I'll give it a go :)
[12:12] <zakame> cya pygi
[12:13] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I'm sure we can arrange a vmware license or something if you don't have enough machine to go around.
[12:13] <cbx33> ajmitch: I was kidding
[12:13] <cbx33> vmware server is free now
[12:13] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: I've got vmware server on here
[12:13] <ajmitch> and this box has 4GB of RAM, so should be adequate to run a few
[12:13] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'd imagine so.
[12:13] <ajmitch> probably about 10 machines lying around the house
[12:13] <Mithrandir> for lots of bonus&brownie points, make the infrastructure interoperable with AD as a drop-in.
[12:15] <ajmitch> 180-day evaluation from MS ought to be long enough
[12:16] <Mithrandir> yup
[12:26] <ajmitch> wonderful, downloading it now
[12:26] <ajmitch> should be interesting to see how it goes
[12:27] <cbx33> keep us posted ajmitch
[12:27] <ajmitch> yeah, I've got to write up the SoC application first, asap
[12:28] <zakame> rock on ajmitch
[12:28] <zakame> :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> hello everybody
[02:07] <zul> heylo
[02:19] <kelmo> hi siretart
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:36] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[04:00] <zakame> hi all! :D
[04:09] <zakame> bug 41886
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41886 in launchpad-publisher "kdissert_1.0.5.debian.orig.tar.gz  MD5Sum mismatch" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41886
[04:20] <trappist> I filed two bugs on two separate universe packages and attached patches, and both bugs were closed with comments that the patches had been applied and the new packages uploaded, but in both cases it appears not to be the case.
[04:20] <trappist> before I reopen the second bug, is there some chance I'm doing something wrong?
[04:21] <trappist> both packages have changelog entries, but both packages also still have the bugs I filed on them, and if I apt-get source them and peek at the source, the changes are not there.
[04:22] <bddebian> trappist: What bugs?
[04:22] <trappist> 41207 and 36051
[04:23] <trappist> both patches applied by chuck short
[04:23] <trappist> could it be that I'm using amd64 and just that arch hasn't been patched?
[04:23] <bddebian> trappist: Shouldn't be.  Are the source and binary versions matching?
[04:24] <trappist> yes
[04:24] <trappist> bddebian: could it be, then, because my patches don't make new files in debian/patches, but just modify the source?
[04:25] <bddebian> trappist: No, that shouldn't be an issue
[04:26] <bddebian> Unless a patch in debian/patches is somehow overriding your changes
[04:26] <trappist> new packages were definitely uploaded - the changelog entries are there - but there's not other evidence that the patches have been applied
[04:26] <trappist> I wouldn't think so
[04:49] <trappist> bddebian: so, any idea why this would happen?  should I reopen the second bug?  can somebody try reapplying the patches?
[04:49] <bddebian> trappist: If it isn't fixed, yes I would re-open the bug
[04:49] <trappist> k
[08:13] <phanatic> hi masters
[08:17] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[08:17] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[08:19] <zul> bddebian: of your domain?
[08:19] <bddebian> I was thinking of bation ;-P
[08:20] <bddebian> Of course I probably just violated CoC there :-)
[08:21] <zul> hehe
[08:21] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[08:21] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[08:27] <LaserJock> morning MOTU Land
[08:33] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:33] <bddebian> I was smoking, sheesh :-)
[08:36] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[08:37] <LaserJock> bddebian: I actually got some bugs fixed yesterday
[08:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: w00t.  I'm not getting shit done as usual :-(
[08:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: well you still have 4x the karma I do
[08:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: So catch up homeslice :-)
[08:52] <highvoltage> one day, the karma rules will change and then it will be recalculated and everyone will have different karma anyway
[08:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, but I think any way you look at it bddebian will always have more than me ;-)
[08:53] <highvoltage> heh :)
[08:53] <LaserJock> unless Edubuntu give lots of karma ;-)
[08:53] <highvoltage> :)
[08:54] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I did get more karma yesterday but I don't think it was because of the EC thing. That would have been cool ;-)
[09:23] <zul> heh...im catching up to bddebian
[09:25] <LaserJock> zul: yeah, you've been a monster lately
[09:51] <shawn_work> we have a bug on archive
[09:52] <shawn_work> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/x/xvidcap/
[09:52] <shawn_work> is this 'dead' or nobody maintaining xvidcap/gvidcap?
[09:52] <shawn_work> ideally, I'd like to get xvidcap 1.1.4 into echy+
[09:54] <bddebian> shawn_work: What is the bug exactly?
[09:55] <shawn_work> there's no .deb package built
[09:55] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[09:55] <Toadstool> shawarma: the package can't be built, there is a missing dependency, libavcodec1-dev
[09:55] <Toadstool> erf, shawn_work
[09:55] <bddebian> Ah, that's no bueno
[09:56] <shawn_work> doh
[09:56] <shawn_work> we stil have that dependency issue?
[09:56] <bddebian> IIRC libavcodec was dropped because of a license issue???
[09:57] <shawn_work> oh really? the license was no good?
[09:57] <bddebian> That was my recollection but I could certainly be wrong
[09:57] <shawn_work> libavcodec can't be in multiverse?
[09:57] <shawn_work> or restricted
[09:57] <shawn_work> ?
[09:58] <shawn_work> we're sorely lacking a x recording session tool
[09:58] <shawn_work> istanbul doesn't work at 1600x1200 :)
[10:03] <carthik> General question: After Dapper is released will all the universe packages be synced with the latest versions from Debian automatically, or is it a manual process?
[10:04] <crimsun> carthik: the debian packages that lack any ubuntu modifications will be synced automagically, yes
[10:04] <crimsun> carthik: the rest will need to be merged. In the past this is a by-hand process.
[10:04] <carthik> crimsun, thank you. And how could I help with the others, if I may?
[10:04] <crimsun> carthik: presuming we're using the same tools, the motumerge* wiki pages have hints
[10:05] <carthik> crimsun, thanks again. Was curious, would like to start helping in some way, some future day :)
[10:06] <crimsun> carthik: never fear, there are plenty of opportunities to help out
[10:07] <LaserJock> true
[10:07] <carthik> crimsun, gotta start somewhere, where I don't break things. Trying to find the path of least initial resistance. Thanks for the answers.
[10:08] <crimsun> np
[10:08] <zul> but its fun to break things ;)
[10:09] <LaserJock> carthik: merges and syncs are a great place to get started
[10:09] <carthik> LaserJock, I'll check in when that process gets going. :)
[10:10] <zul> carthik: you are already an motu arent you?
[10:12] <carthik> zul, me? no. Still thinking about whether I am ready to apply for Ubuntu membership.
[10:12] <zul> ah ok
[10:44] <bddebian> Later gang
[10:44] <crimsun> cya
[10:44] <tseng> bye bddebian
[11:08] <kiko> hey motus!
[11:09] <kiko> is there anyone here who knows a bit about listadmin, the mailman interface?
[11:09] <crimsun> not I, unfortunately
[11:12] <kiko> it would be really nice if the newer version was packaged
[11:12] <kiko> because the current version doesn't work with our current mailman
[11:13] <kiko> who can be a bug contact for listadmin?
[11:17] <crimsun> kiko: does the debian unstable version work? if so, a uvf exception request might be in order?
[11:17] <kiko> let me check
[11:21] <kiko> crimsun, good call. I'll update the bug -- who do I need to get to UVF except it?
[11:23] <crimsun> kiko: just file a bug on LP for it. let me dig up the url.
[11:23] <crimsun> kiko: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[11:25] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/listadmin/+bug/43008
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43008 in listadmin "listadmin doesn't work with the current version of mailman we ship" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[11:25] <kiko> thanks
[11:29] <crimsun> err
[11:29] <crimsun> that's a main package
[11:29] <crimsun> main is handled slightly differently from universe/multiverse
[11:29] <crimsun> sorry, I looked at mailman
[11:30] <crimsun> (long day)
[11:30] <kiko> :)
[11:30] <kiko> no problem
[11:30] <kiko> but I did come to right channel after all :)
[11:30] <crimsun> yes :)
[11:32] <tseng> hi kiko


[01:15] <dart> Chromium stopped working after update
[01:15] <dart> ubuntu mate on pi3
[02:12] <rivers9000> Do you know why my XRANDR is set to Broadcast = "LIMITED" when "AUTO" is employed? This makes it so that on each restart I have to manually make it Broadcast = "FULL"
[02:12] <rivers9000> The /amsg is because I am posting this question to three relevant channels.
[02:12] <rivers9000> to experience the full color of my screen.
[02:12] <rivers9000> I'm using Ubuntu MATE.
[02:13] <rivers9000> Latest version.
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> !info lamp
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> !info apache2
[03:33] <Jack_Sparrow> !info libmobiledevice
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> !info libimobiledevice
[04:44] <amicrawler> can some one help me please
[04:45] <amicrawler> my screen goes black after it shows the mintos boot logo
[04:45] <amicrawler> then i half to turn off my screen and back on to get the sreen to show up
[04:46] <amicrawler> or when logging in to the user same thing having to turn back on the screen
[04:46] <amicrawler> screen is a samsung 23'
[04:47] <amicrawler> with a ati fire 3d card using dvi-i connection
[04:48] <amicrawler> any clues why this might be happing ?
[12:16] <jose__> hola
[13:16] <inerkick> Hi Guys I got some issue with my Ubuntu 17.10.. I can't create wifihotspot  . Kindly help
[13:16] <inerkick> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25396803/
[14:04] <Jack_Sparrow> !info apache2
[14:04] <Jack_Sparrow> !info lamp
[15:48] <TheFstX> Hello @ all :)
[16:03] <zhoujq> hello
[16:35] <cmos> hello
[16:36] <cmos> Anybody has the same issue like me, the vlc can't work.
[16:36] <cmos> when launching it, it stopped immediately
[16:37] <cmos> remove it and install it again, it is the same
[16:38] <gordonjcp> if you start it from a terminal, are there any error messages?
[16:39] <cmos> I can start vlc in terminal
[16:39] <cmos> but when I open a mp4 file, it stopped immediately
[16:47] <gordonjcp> okay, did it print any output to the terminal?
[16:48] <cmos> core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[16:54] <gordonjcp> does it do this with all files?
[16:56] <cmos> yes


[00:17] <colourspace> hello, can anyone help me figure out why my notifications look like this: http://i.imgur.com/x4DztdJ.png
[01:04] <chandu20> how i can auto hide globel menu bar?
[01:59] <siva_machina> the thing on the top left?
[01:59] <siva_machina> chalcedny, ?
[02:01] <siva_machina> chalcedny,  right click an empty spot on desktop --> desktop settings --> tweaks --> show the desktop toolbox
[02:01] <siva_machina> if that is the case
[05:44] <afrohealer> i am attempting to go from ubuntu to kubuntu. i used ap-get to install kubuntu-desktop. andnow its asking me to select a desktop manager.. Do urecomend lightdm or sddm?
[05:44] <afrohealer> and do i need to install anything else to get plasma?
 sddm is the default choice for kubuntu, but either *should* work. the kubuntu-desktop meta-package should pull in everything needed for a plasma session you can select in sddm/lightdm
[07:20] <afrohealer> i ran apt-get installkubuntu-desktop  . and it stopped withthefollowing error" Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[07:21] <afrohealer> i then ran the following two commands..
[07:21] <afrohealer> sudo apt-get purge account-plugin-google
[07:21] <afrohealer> sudo apt-get install -f
[07:25] <afrohealer> and this is the error message i get now ..   https://paste.kde.org/phkunyykp
[07:26] <afrohealer> any sugestion on how to resolve this?
[07:30] <acheronuk> you said you had purged account-plugin-google, but clearly not completely or successful if it wants to overwrite a file belonging to that
[07:35] <afrohealer> Hmmm ..seemsl like this is a know kubuntu install bug
[07:35] <acheronuk> If you REALLY get stuck you can: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:35] <afrohealer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaccounts-integration/+bug/1451728
[07:36] <acheronuk> sudo dpkg --force-all -i kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[07:37] <afrohealer> It seems there is afix for this, in a ubuntu update ..
[07:37] <afrohealer> I should have run the update first, before attempting to install Kde
[07:38] <afrohealer> should it be safe to do an unistall of kde via apt-get ..
[07:38] <acheronuk> I vaguely recall something of the sort, but yes, you should always update before attempting something like this.
[07:38] <afrohealer> that was my big mistake
[07:39] <afrohealer> which i shall not make in the future
[07:40] <acheronuk> you can uninstall some components kde components causing the problems, yes. update. then reinstall using kubuntu/kde meta packages
[07:40] <acheronuk> may require a bit more apt-get fiddling, but it will be do-able
[07:43] <afrohealer> asu can see form thepastbin ..  the conflic is with kde -config-telepath ..
[07:43] <afrohealer> and now no otehr apt-get will run ,until that telepath issue is resolved..
[07:44] <afrohealer> form what i have read. it might be problematic to do a force overwrite of thsoe files.. because Kde handles telepath differently from Gnome
[07:46] <acheronuk> I was not suggesting leaving that force-overwrite in place. Just as a way to get the install to finish and cleaup.
[07:46] <afrohealer> acheronuk:  is there a dpkg option to force the uninstall?
[07:47] <afrohealer> but thatwoudl be kde overwritting a gnome file ..  and the kde versionis a different format from gnome
[07:47] <acheronuk> no, as you would then remove account-plugin-google and reinstall kde-config-telepathy-accounts
[07:47] <afrohealer> i guess i could just rename the file ..
[07:48] <afrohealer> and that way i have a copy of it right?
[07:48] <acheronuk> so you are left with just the correct kde one in place
[07:48] <afrohealer> or just make a copy ..  then overwrighe it
[07:48] <afrohealer> i am curently running gnome
[07:49] <afrohealer> when i got this systemfrom y admins. they had ubuntu installed
[07:49] <afrohealer> and i was attempting to move over to kubuntu
[07:49] <acheronuk> there are several ways you could do it. as long as you do a forced reinstall of both packages once you have managed to update, to restore any overwritten files
[07:51] <acheronuk> i.e. last thing you do is 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-config-telepathy-accounts account-plugin-google'
[07:51] <afrohealer> which way would you recomend?
[07:53] <acheronuk> I would do it with the forced overight, as I (a) am comfortable enough knowing how to undo that to go with it and (b) I don't care one jot about the gnome/unity version
[07:53] <acheronuk> *overwrite
[07:54] <acheronuk> as said, you can juggle it a few ways, then force reinstall the packages in question to make sure they then have all their correct files
[07:58] <afrohealer> some in one of the bug reports. sugested doing    sudo apt-get purge kde-telepathy*`
[07:59] <afrohealer> do you think that would work, now that my currentt apt-get is in an incomplete state?
[08:00] <acheronuk> could work, but it might refuse because of the configured packages
[08:00] <acheronuk> *unconfigured
[08:00] <afrohealer> hmmm
[08:00] <afrohealer> does apt have a "rollback" feature?
[08:01] <afrohealer> or should i jstu bite thebullet and do the force install with dpkg
[08:01] <afrohealer> hmmm ..could i do a forced unistall with  dpkg?
[08:02] <acheronuk> perhaps
[08:03] <acheronuk> There are a number of ways you could break the deadlock apt has got itself into. I said how *I* would do it, but that isn't necessarily the right or best answer.
[08:07] <afrohealer> i  see two claimed solutions in the last comments of this bug report  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaccounts-integration/+bug/1451728
[08:08] <afrohealer> 1 sugestion was. to use :sudo apt remove account-plugin-google unity-scope-gdrive kde-telepathy-minimal kde-telepathy
[08:09] <afrohealer> the other was  "sudo dpkg -r unity-scope-gdrive
[08:09] <afrohealer> sudo dpkg -r account-plugin-google
[08:09] <afrohealer> sudo apt-get -f install "
[08:09] <afrohealer> Those are pretty muchdoingthesamething right?
[08:10] <afrohealer> ooops..  sorry  .. i am still getting used to this new keyboard
[08:10] <acheronuk> I only suggested my way, as it would not need me to 'remove' anything
[08:10] <acheronuk> alternate ways exist. I can't tell you which is best
[08:11] <afrohealer> hmm.. u make a good point ..and i think iwill go with your way ..
[08:11] <afrohealer> but i will backup the file .. before it is overwritten ..
[08:11] <afrohealer> Thanks for your assistance ..  Now lets see how this goes
[08:13] <afrohealer> so  i run this right?    sudo dpkg --force-all -i kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:14] <acheronuk> on the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ yes
[08:14] <acheronuk> you may have to cd into that directory
[08:17] <acheronuk> with a bit of luck, dpkg should then carry on and configure what was left over undone from your upgrade
[08:18] <acheronuk> and maybe do an 'apt-get install -f' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' after to just make sure everything is done
[08:20] <afrohealer> so i have to run this from var/cache/apt/archives ?
[08:22] <acheronuk> probably. I think dpkg will not like it if you give it a path you are not on. or copy the file to your current terminal working directory 1st
[08:23] <afrohealer> thanks
[08:23] <acheronuk> don't thank me until it's fixed :P
[08:24] <afrohealer> i amthankign you for your assistance
[08:24] <afrohealer> which is greatly appreciated
[08:28] <afrohealer> hmmm .. i just found an unistall option .. which supposedly will force the uninstall of a package that did not completely install .   using  dpkg --purge --force-all
[08:29] <acheronuk>  there is that
[08:29] <acheronuk> pick a way. whichever you choose will require some additional apt/dpkg cleanup
[08:33] <afrohealer> since this is a fresh install of Ubuntu ..    whichone do uthink will require theleast amount of tinkering?
[08:43] <afrohealer> uare a genius
[08:43] <acheronuk> not quite
[08:43] <afrohealer> acheronuk:  that command was sucessfull
[08:44] <acheronuk> good :)
[08:45] <afrohealer> so now run apt-get -f install right?
[08:45] <afrohealer> so now run apt-get -f install right?/
[08:45] <acheronuk> yes, then 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:46] <acheronuk> just to make sure nothing is left
[08:46] <afrohealer> k
[08:46] <acheronuk> also make sure the 'kubuntu-desktop' package did actually manage to install
[08:47] <afrohealer> how do i verify that it installed?
[08:48] <acheronuk> apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[08:49] <acheronuk> should list a version next to installed: if it did
[08:49] <acheronuk> make sure your system is FULLY updated
[08:49] <afrohealer> yes it does..    1.338
[08:49] <afrohealer> the updates are installing right now ..
[08:50] <afrohealer> achreonuk: i cant thank you enough
[08:51] <acheronuk> then once done you can try to reinstall whatever package had it's files overwirtten, just to doubly make sure they are restored ok
[08:51] <acheronuk> and the updates let them now co-exist
[08:51] <afrohealer> ok ..
[08:52] <afrohealer> i will as soon as the updates finish
[08:52] <acheronuk> ok. if that bug was fixed, it should be fine
[08:54] <afrohealer> they claim the bug was fixed ..  but there are also others who were saying it was not ..
[08:56] <acheronuk> I have KDE/kubuntu, xfce4 and lxqt desktops installed, but not gnome or unity, so I can't say whether it really was or not. plus I'm on yakkety, so likely not the same anyway
[08:57] <acheronuk> I have to go for now. hope that works out :D
[08:58] <afrohealer> thanks .. i think it should ..  just watint for the updates to complete
[10:25] <john_s> @valorie I just edited the startx script for now, it appears neither xinitrc nor Xsession have anything to say about the default "client' or in this case the default client parameters to Xsession/xinitrc. Apparently they are passed to xinit which executes Xsession in the end but it may be xinit that also executes startkde, I don't know.
[10:26] <john_s> If that's the case then I don't know how the default "window manager" (desktop client) for xinit is normally getting decided.
[10:26] <john_s> startx just has a default parameter in its script that you can fill in and then startx will start kde.
[10:27] <john_s> I'm just unhappy I cannot revert the thing to what it was before I installed Cinnamon.
[13:05] <Quantos> What happened to WUBI?  I just went to install a copy of 16.04 and can't find WUBI
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:10] <acheronuk> Quantos: AFAIR, wubi died as an option when Win8 and UEFI made unsupported/broken/dangerous
[13:10] <acheronuk> *made it
[13:11] <Quantos> Ah, thanks, I just found an article on it acheronuk
[13:11] <BluesKaj> wubi was hopeless anyway
[13:14] <yocs0000> hi everybody, file search from within dolphin does not seem to work. I have Kubuntu 16.04 LTS 64 bit. everyhting up to date. File search active.
[13:17] <yocs0000> I search and it does always return 0 files, even if I search for file names tht I know are there.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, if you're on a laptop, plug in the power cord
[13:37] <Driminicus> Korganizer doesn't work after I added the kubuntu-backports-landing ppa and upgraded
[13:37] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: why?
[13:38] <Driminicus> it says "the akonadi personal information management service is not operational."
[13:38] <Driminicus> running akonadictl start from terminal
[13:38] <Driminicus> spits out this:
[13:38] <Driminicus> https://paste.kde.org/pu38bdav0
[13:38] <mpo42vr_> j wxwidgets
[13:39] <acheronuk> Driminicus: 'sudo mkdir /var/lib/mysql-files'
[13:44] <Driminicus> that helped, for for some reason mysql spits out a lot of these types of errors
[13:44] <Driminicus> Error    : Can't find file: './akonadi/pimitemtable.frm' (errno: 13 - Permission denied)
[13:44] <Driminicus> these files do exist, and have 660 permissions
[14:03] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: power cord is plugged and battery is 100%?
[14:03] <acheronuk> Driminicus: not sure. in few cases I've seen, creating that missing directory has been enough to solve it
[14:03] <Driminicus> I see
[14:05] <acheronuk> I don't personally use PIM, or at least any of it that requires akonadi to actually work!
[14:09] <Driminicus> ah
[14:09] <Driminicus> I figured it out
[14:09] <Driminicus> somehow the ./akonadi/ dir itself had it permissions messed up
[14:10] <Driminicus> thanks for the help
[14:11] <yocs0000> hi everybody, file search from within dolphin does not seem to work. I have Kubuntu 16.04 LTS 64 bit. everyhting up to date. File search active.
[14:11] <yocs0000> I search and it does always return 0 files, even if I search for file names tht I know are there.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, are you using the find option in dolphin?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> I have to ask
[14:54] <momoe> **A wild Momoe appears!!**
[14:55] <momoe> Hiii everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any preferred image manager apps they can reccomend? I'm looking for something that can sort by image dimensions, and has a bookmark feature
[14:59] <BluesKaj> momoe imagemagick has a lot of options , not sure about the sorting part tho
[15:01] <momoe> I've dabbled with image magic just a little bit, Gwenview has a lot of potential and a clean UI, but the plugins are broken atm
[15:01] <momoe> All it says is "KXML Hellow world tools..."
[15:04] <BluesKaj> heh, i installed imagemagick a while back , now when I launch it just crashes ..not exactly a good recommendation :-/
[15:05] <momoe> c.c
[15:05] <momoe> ɔ.ɔ
[15:05] <momoe>  (｡◠‿◠｡)
[15:06] <BluesKaj> think the cli tools probly work ok tho
[15:06] <momoe> Are you familliar with the "KXML Hello World tools..." is with Gwenview? I was hoping to see about getting those working and seeing what plugins are offered
[15:06] <momoe> I also see it in Kubuntu's screenshot utility, so I guess it's not just localized there
[15:08] <momoe> Specctacle>Export To...>Online Services>KXML Hello World Tools...
[15:08] <BluesKaj> momoe, never heard of KXML Hello World tools
[15:09] <momoe> hmmm... google tells me it's related to "kipiplugin"?
[15:11] <momoe> oh well, I'll give image magic an indepth go
[15:13] <momoe> Oh, XnViewMP is also another option, although it's mostly tuned towards the Windows crowd
[15:13] <momoe> it does come in a linux-ish flavor
[15:17] <BluesKaj> gwenview has improved their list of options in the last few kf/qt upgrades
[15:17] <acheronuk> kipi-plugins have been too outdated to work properly gwenview for a while now
[15:18] <acheronuk> kde/now fixed that I think, so should get sorted somtime soon I hope
[15:24] <momoe> @acheronuk, I hope so. I would like a simpler solution to upload my screenshots than the manual way.
[15:25] <acheronuk> momoe: They have. Just can't find a link.
[15:27] <momoe> Oh, ty for helping
[16:13] <viewer|20281> hello. I have issue with the checksums of the ISOs.
[16:14] <viewer|20281> I get 79f46b96ae3b3fa858cccfd214478e2f for the 16.04.1 immage
[16:14] <acheronuk> what issues? they either pass or fail
[16:15] <acheronuk> amd64?
[16:15] <viewer|20281> downloaded directly and via bitorrent.
[16:15] <viewer|20281> yes amd64
[16:16] <acheronuk> ok. can you link to where you are finding the iso links and checksums please.
[16:17] <viewer|20281> of course: checksums: http://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads  at the bottom
[16:18] <viewer|20281> downloads: Bittorrent from this side
[16:18] <viewer|20281> direct download from the main side: http://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[16:20] <viewer|20281> direct link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04.1/release/kubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:21] <viewer|20281> checksum generated via:  md5sum "kubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64(1).iso"
[16:24] <acheronuk> could be those have not been updated and are still the 16.04.0 ones?
[16:24] <viewer|20281> If I use unetboot in or start-medium-creator these images do also not boot (error message:  "boot error" ; tested on one Laptop and on PC)
[16:24] <acheronuk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04.1/release/MD5SUMS will be correct
[16:25] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: ^^^ iso checksums on the kubuntu site?
[16:26] <viewer|20281> Thanks.
[16:26] <viewer|20281> The description text was updated. on the side I posted.
[16:26] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: yes, of course .....
[16:28] <viewer|20281> However maybe another hash command was used to generate the ones on the side. The descriptions also mentions a  HowTo, which is not linked properly.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, and you have file search enabled in system settings>search ?
[16:30] <acheronuk> viewer|20281: I just the guy who doe most on the site, so hopefully he can take a look
[16:30] <viewer|20281> Ah, thanks. I just looked how to report it best.
[16:32] <acheronuk> for ref, the cdimage page md5sums are always correct, unless some catastrophe happens on the ubuntu infrastructure.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> viewer|20281, the only problem I had with those images wasn't the sums, but the downloads finishing completely be thay torrent or htmal download , the zsync downloads worked best for me
[16:33] <BluesKaj> torrent or html
[16:34] <acheronuk> if I want to update, I zsync
[16:34] <BluesKaj> the sums never failed
[16:34] <viewer|20281> thanks, I will keep that in mind
[16:35] <BluesKaj> the torrent downloads failed to finish at times as did the html , aaamof the html had to be restarted in order to finish
[16:46] <viewer|20281> acheronuk: the sha256sum matches the website, so I guess the only think to improve is a link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSHA256SUM and maybe a short sentence that these are not MD5s.
[16:46] <viewer|20281> acheronuk: sorry for wasting your time
[16:55] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: yes
[17:36] <user|57790> I lost administrative privilege how can i restore them
[17:49] <yocs0000> owwwww! Baloo is SO FRUSTRATING ....
[17:50] <BluesKaj> odd yocs0000 , the find oprion in dolphin works here, have you checked the logs for errors ?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> option
[17:52] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: where does it log the errors
[17:53] <BluesKaj>  look in /var/log/syslog
[17:55] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: nothing .... it is behaving erratically. I now stop testng it, calm down have some fun, and come back .... I need a clear mind.
[17:56] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: thanks for help anyway.
[18:00] <GrantD> How to change Dolphin File to double click to open files/folders?
[18:00] <Nytram> It's in your mouse settings
[18:01] <GrantD> Thanks!
[18:01] <ahoneybun> acheronuk, that link uses MD5SUMs
[18:01] <ahoneybun> but ours has SHA256
[18:01] <GrantD> Btw, is there an easy way to launch a service/application at startup?
[18:02] <GrantD> I want my RealVNC to start automatically when rebooting the machine.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> GrantD, system settings> startup&shtdown>autostart>add program
[18:04] <GrantD> nice!...thanks :)
[18:05] <Nytram> KDE... lovely. 8)
[20:25] <chaene> hi I'm trying to compile kde partition manager 2 alpha version and I get an error when running cmake
[20:25] <chaene> I think it is a missing package but I can't figure out which one.
[20:32] <BluesKaj> chaene, what's wrong with the default kde partition manager ?
[20:32] <chaene> It has a bug. No OK button in the edit mount point dialog. Has been reported to be fixed in the current alpha
[20:33] <chaene> that's the error I have https://paste.kde.org/pkznzwtqf
[20:33] <BluesKaj> that's odd I'm on Xenial and the version I have works fine
[20:34] <chaene> which version do you have.
[20:34] <chaene> 1.1 does not have the bug and 1.2 does
[20:44] <BluesKaj> when i had problems with the kde partitioner , i just switched to gparted. At the time it was superior to the kde version..I still use it
[21:15] <QBee> hello
[21:16] <QBee> wich are requeriments to install kubuntu 16.04, can't found them in the website
[21:41] <mparillo> You can get away with a 1GB Netbook, if you do some web browsing and light document editing, but there are probably better distros.


[00:03] <Viper550> stas, newz2000 the generic "not yet country branded" version of the fluxbb skin has been committed
[00:03] <Viper550> as in the footer version
[00:05] <Viper550> you said the romania guys have a test board?
[00:28] <Viper550> hmm?
[01:00] <stas> Viper550: yes check forum.ubuntu.ro
[01:00] <stas> i can give you an instance of that as test board
[01:48] <Lirodon> stas okay
[01:49] <Lirodon> stas, I presume it runs fluxbb 1.2 right now?
[15:33] <Viper550> morning
[15:43] <Viper550> stas, so, the style is now pretty much done
[15:43] <stas> Viper550: i'm a bit busy now, can we leave it for later? thanks
[15:43] <Viper550> okay
[15:49] <Viper550> newz2000, and also, I got it down perfect now too
[16:16] <newz2000> Viper550: sorry, got bumped offline and have no scrollback, do you mean the forum theme is perfect?
[16:16] <Viper550> newz2000, yeah
[16:17] <newz2000> cool, do you have a preview somewhere?
[16:18] <Viper550> newz2000, I got the code up on launchpad
[16:20] <Viper550> https://code.launchpad.net/~viper550/ubuntu-website/ubuntu-fluxbb-theme
[16:20] <newz2000> ok, time to get some beta testers, do you know of any who want to try?
[16:20] <newz2000> Maybe timo in finland would help
[16:20] <newz2000> actually, his may be too busy for beta testing
[16:21] <stas> newz2000, Viper550 you're terrific, I asked to wait a bit
[16:21] <stas> I can offer you test sandbox
[16:21] <stas> just a bit later
[16:21] <Viper550> I only know of two locos using FluxBB, Romania and France
[16:24] <Viper550> I know there's a language pack for 1.4 in French
[16:29] <Viper550> but anyway,
[16:41] <Viper550> stas, get it set up please, I'll see what I can do about the language stuff
[16:51] <Viper550> stas, does the current forum run 1.2?
[16:52] <stas> Viper550: yes
[16:55] <Viper550> there's a major internationalization change on 1.4: the admin panel can be translated too
[17:01] <Viper550> so the romanian translation will need to be redone
[17:08] <stas> yeah, I know, I'll push that into our community once we test the theme and see how it goes
[17:11] <Viper550> The only real mod they did was RSS, right?
[17:12] <Viper550> cause 1.4 has RSS built-in
[17:16] <stas> our fluxbb is all modded
[17:16] <stas> we got image uploads integrated
[17:16] <stas> rss
[17:16] <stas> rating
[17:16] <stas> custom reporting system
[17:16] <stas> plenty of them
[17:17] <Viper550> hmm
[17:19] <Viper550> here's the odd part: 1.4 is based off 1.2
[17:20] <Viper550> I built it on 1.4, it might still work on 1.2
[17:21] <Viper550> so we'll just have to test and find out
[18:10] <stas> Viper550: no, the plan is to upgrade the whole board
[18:16] <Viper550> stas okay then
[18:18] <stas> thats why i need some more time, can't just upload and go
[18:18] <Viper550> I know
[18:18] <Viper550> but anyway, the theme source is on launchpad
[18:24] <Viper550> https://code.launchpad.net/~viper550/ubuntu-website/light-fluxbb-theme
[18:29] <Viper550> I also sent it up to cjohnston for merge review
[18:33] <stas> Viper550: Ill do my best to set it up during this weekend if not today
[18:33] <stas> k
[18:33] <stas> you can take a break till then
[20:41] <Viper550> stas`, you know we have an extension repository on the fluxbb site?
[20:58] <Viper550> might do a dokuwiki theme next
[21:54] <Viper550> stas, now I'm gonna do dokuwiki
[21:54] <stas> Viper550: ubuntu uses moinmoin a lot afaik, dont know about docuwiki usages
[21:55] <Viper550> ubuntu-fr uses dokuwiki
[21:55] <stas> oh, i see now
[21:55] <Viper550> until I can get moin going on my other host (if I can)
[21:56] <stas> talk to newz2000 for moinmoin stuff, he mentioned it as his next big project :)
[21:57] <newz2000> trying to ruin a perfectly good weekend for me by mentioning Moin on a friday afternoon?
[21:57] <stas> :D not me
[21:57]  * stas slaps himself
[22:07] <Viper550> well I'm starting on a dokuwiki theme
[22:24] <Viper550> http://liroslab.a60.us/doku/doku.php?id=start


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