[00:14] <_28kb> revelation has 7 seals.. ubuntu 7000000
[00:15] <_28kb> hopefully
[00:17] <crippledmonk> 17.10 works well on older rugged GD8000 laptop.
[00:17] <Sveta> _28kb you could check your logs. look for `ls -latr ~`, look at the files listed at the end, they were modified last. ~/xsession or something named similarly whose name I forgot
[00:17] <Sveta> crippledmonk sounds good
[00:18] <crippledmonk> Even the internal gps works, woOT
[00:19] <Sveta> it's a great one, is it heavy?
[00:19] <crippledmonk> a little but with the carry handle not biggie
[00:19] <crippledmonk> I even have a vehicle dock in my pickup for it
[00:20] <crippledmonk> I use GMapCather, FoxtrotGPS and viking for my mapping stuff
[00:20] <crippledmonk> *GMapCatcher
[01:11] <flask-> Hi quick question: I'm running 17.10, gnome shell. when I click on a launcher icon in which the application is running and has multiple windows spawned, the click raises a selector in which mini live-previews of each window are presented and I have to click the one I want. screenshot: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-10-24_21-06-10-V3ANDxQL.png  -- I'd prefer if clicking the launcher icon just raised the most recently act
[01:11] <flask-> ive window. This was the behavior in Unity and I know I had this going under vanilla gnome shell + Dash To Dock. Any idea how to make it happen here?
[01:12] <duckx0r> I'm having a weird problem here, and I'm assuming it's with something in the latest Ubuntu since every other device I have connected to the network behaves differently, so if someone could point me where I should file a bug report that would be much appreciated, or if it's not actually a bug let me know. I have a domain and I have set up a local.example.com A record and seafile.example.com as a CNAME pointing to local.example.com. However on my LAN I want
[01:12] <duckx0r> local.example.com and seafile.example.com to point to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> respectively (different IPs), and since editing the /etc/hosts file for every device connected, I overrided my router's DNS server to return these IP addresses. It works fine except on the latest Ubuntu, if I go to seafile.example.com it first goes to <IP_ADDRESS> (correctly) and if I try 1 second later it goes to <IP_ADDRESS>. What I believe is happening is that the computer looks up
[01:12] <duckx0r> the domain name and the DNS server responds with the IP address and also says that seafile is an alias of local. It returns the address but then does a subsequent check of local.example.com and caches the IP returned from that check. If I clear the DNS cache it works again (for one single request).
[01:31] <crackthezer0> exit
[01:32] <mountainhigh> my ubuntu screen is going to sleep after a few seconds of inactivity and the settings seem fine
[01:36] <platzhirsch> Sveta: I think I found it, probably it's in zeitgeist
[01:37] <Sveta> thanks, please keep me updated (maybe purging should be modified to include that component)
[01:53] <dax> Assuming you mean apt, purge is for system-wide config files. The package manager does not touch anything under ~/.
[01:53] <dax> This is a deliberate design decision.
[01:55] <oerheks> Bionic Beaver
[02:04] <mountainhigh> my screen is sleeping after a few secs of inactivity
[02:05] <Sveta> did it work before?
[02:05] <mountainhigh> what work before?
[02:07] <Sveta> did it fail to sleep this quickly before?
[02:12] <mountainhigh> no
[02:12] <mountainhigh> that recently
[02:12] <mountainhigh> not recently
[02:13] <hata_ph> hi, i cannot boot to live usb 64bit on my lenovo ideapad Z485...anyone can help?
[02:15] <hata_ph> hi, i cannot boot to live usb 64bit on my lenovo ideapad Z485...anyone can help?
[02:16] <Sveta> it could help to describe what it does when you try to boot
[02:16] <hata_ph> hi Sveta, it freeze when booting 64bit iso...no problem on 32bit iso
[02:17] <hata_ph> it freeze at "freeing alternatives memory"
[02:17] <hata_ph> i try set kernel option like nomodeset, radeon.modeset=0 still the same
[02:18] <hata_ph> i try 12.04, 14.04, 16.04...all 64bit cannot :(
[02:19] <hata_ph> can boot and install only using 32bit iso
[02:19] <hata_ph> i have already disable UEFI secure boot
[02:20] <mountainhigh> anyone know anything about screen going to sleep after a few seconds?
[02:21] <hata_ph> Sveta, it just give me a binging cursor after "freeing SMP alternatives memory"
[02:21] <hata_ph> same happen to Fedora and arch
[02:21] <Aramorti> Hello everyone. New to ubuntu and trying to get xRDP up and running on the new 17.10 Desktop. anyone have a minute to assist with troubleshooting?
[02:26] <hata_ph> anyone any idea?
[02:29] <hata_ph> Sveta, any idea?
[02:30] <Sveta> thanks for describing the problem, are you sure you have 64bit cpu?
[02:30] <Sveta> sometimes your bios or efi are 32bit, so even if cpu is ok, they are unable to boot a 64bit os
[02:30] <hata_ph> Sveta, yes...I can install windows 7 64bit on it
[02:31] <Sveta> oh, hmm
[02:31] <hata_ph> Sveta, already disable secure boot
[02:32] <Sveta> ok. so you have issue with inabiilty to boot to 64bit on 12.04, 14.04, 16.04. it freezes on "freeing alternatives memory". (32bit is ok). already disabled UEFI secure boot. this is lenovo ideapad Z485.
[02:33] <Sveta> i should leave for a few mins, i hope someone is able to assist you soon, otherwise i'll look at it when i come back
[02:33] <hata_ph> Sveta, thanks
[02:33] <mountainhigh> no one here knows how to stop a screen from going to sleep after like 5 to 10 seconds?
[02:34] <mountainhigh> its set for 30 mins
[02:35] <hata_ph> mountainhigh, ur machine is PC or laptop?
[02:35] <mountainhigh> laptop
[02:36] <hata_ph> using what OS and DE?
[02:36] <mountainhigh> what you mean its ubuntu 16.04
[02:36] <hata_ph> do the bios have any power management option?
[02:36] <hata_ph> u are using ubuntu 16.04...using unity?
[02:37] <mountainhigh> dont know i have been setting it fine if the settings
[02:37] <mountainhigh> turn screen off if inactive for 30 mins is set
[02:38] <hata_ph> mean u have configue 30mins inactive in your system? or u want to set 30 mins?
[02:39] <mountainhigh> i said it was set meaning the setting is already there
[02:40] <hata_ph> https://askubuntu.com/questions/143314/how-do-i-change-the-length-of-time-the-lock-screen-appears-for
[02:41] <mountainhigh> thats what im talking about i have already set that for 30 mins
[02:41] <nwinter> settings, brightness and lock
[02:41] <hata_ph> does it work?
[02:43] <mountainhigh> brightness works
[02:44] <hata_ph> what not work?
[02:44] <mountainhigh> i just told you the screen is going to sleep after a few seconds..
[02:45] <hata_ph> did ur bios have power management settings?
[02:45] <mountainhigh> i dont know
[02:46] <mountainhigh> its worked fine before
[02:46] <hata_ph> can u check? is your laptop...
[02:46] <mountainhigh> how do i check that
[02:46] <hata_ph> access to bios and check
[02:46] <hata_ph> are u using unity?
[02:47] <mountainhigh> this will probably fix after a reboot
[02:50] <hata_ph> having issue with inability to boot 64bit live usb on 12.04, 14.04, 16.04. it freezes on "freeing SMP alternatives memory". (32bit is ok). already disabled UEFI secure boot. this is lenovo ideapad Z485.
[03:01] <hata_ph> having issue with inability to boot 64bit live usb on 12.04, 14.04, 16.04. it freezes on "freeing SMP alternatives memory". (32bit is ok). already disabled UEFI secure boot. this is lenovo ideapad Z485.
[03:01] <mountainhigh> reboot worked
[03:01] <mountainhigh> rofl
[03:01] <mountainhigh> linux people need to stop lying to people to say reboot is not the linux way lol
[03:02] <mountainhigh> i could have been in here an hour to try to figure it out or just reboot lol
[03:03] <mountainhigh> i guess the linux way would be to spend hours trying to troubleshoot
[03:03] <hata_ph> mountainhigh, some time when you configure some settings that related to X server, you need to restart your x server or reboot to take effect
[03:03] <mountainhigh> it was fine before
[03:03] <mountainhigh> there was no setting change with taht
[03:06] <Toadisattva> lol the linux way is def spending hours troubleshooting
[03:07] <Toadisattva> and I still love it :)
[03:11] <hata_ph> having issue with inability to boot 64bit live usb on 12.04, 14.04, 16.04. it freezes on "freeing SMP alternatives memory". (32bit is ok). already disabled UEFI secure boot. this is lenovo ideapad Z485.
[03:12] <bazhang> hata_ph, how was the usb stick written
[03:14] <hata_ph> bazhang, i am using rufus
[03:15] <ddhk> can anyone recommend a good first timer noob install video or tutorial page
[03:15] <bazhang> !manual | ddhk
[03:16] <hata_ph> search in youtube
[03:16] <bazhang> hata_ph, thats not very helpful
[03:16] <bazhang> hata_ph, how was your usb stick written
[03:17] <hata_ph> bazhang, download the iso and use rufus to write it to usb in windows 7
[03:17] <hata_ph> https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[03:17] <bazhang> hata_ph, sounds like a bad write
[03:17] <bazhang> hata_ph, either that, or a corrupted iso
[03:18] <oerheks> or that ideapad Z485 got 32 bit uefi only
[03:18] <hata_ph> bazhang, i try ubuntu 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, 17.04, 17.10 and arch...all having the same problem
[03:18] <hata_ph> oerheks, already disable secure boot in bios
[03:18] <bazhang> hata_ph, that does not either what I said nor what oerheks just said
[03:19] <hata_ph> i can install windows 7 64bit
[03:19] <hata_ph> do ubuntu support 32bit uefi?
[03:19] <bazhang> hata_ph, you are just repeating without responding to what we are saying to you
[03:19] <hata_ph> i try to get the bootia32.efi...still the same
[03:20] <bazhang> hata_ph, first check the hashsum on the iso, second, re-burn it
[03:21] <bcowan> I think it has 32bit efi, told him that the other night
[03:21] <hata_ph> bazhang, the same usb with the same iso can boot on another laptop
[03:22] <hata_ph> that why i dun believe there is something wrong with the iso or the usb or the burn process
[03:22] <hata_ph> bcowan, try include the bootia32.efi in the usb...still cannot
[03:23] <bazhang> hata_ph, try to reburn after checking the hashsum just to be sure, and did you really reburn all those different versions and check the iso on all of them
[03:24] <bcowan> Just because u add bootia32.efi doesn’t mean it’s gonna boot correctly
[03:24] <hata_ph> i did not check the hashsum...but the usb that i am using now can boot on another machine...just not on ideapad Z485
[03:24] <ddhk> ubottu thanks. But i'm looking for a tutorial on how to install it. There's so many on YT and most of them take FOREVER to get to the details or the audio is so bad I can't listen.
[03:25] <hata_ph> bcowan, is there way to boot from 32bit uefi?
[03:25] <ddhk> I was just hoping to see if anyone knew of an excellent how to install tutorial for noobs.
[03:25] <bazhang> ddhk, did you download and look at the manual I linked you
[03:26] <bazhang> ddhk, its a pdf
[03:26] <ddhk> bazhang i'm downloading it right now
[03:26] <hata_ph> https://builtvisible.com/the-ubuntu-installation-guide/
[03:27] <bcowan> I don’t think Ubuntu supports 32-bit efi and 64-bit userland with their install media...have to do some work around a
[03:28] <ddhk> thanks hata_ph
[03:32] <hata_ph> bcowan, any workaround that u know of?
[03:34] <bcowan> hata_ph: i would research on bay trail systems, they have 32 bit efi and 64 bit userland...I have an old MacBook I use like that and it’s a pain in the ass
[03:39] <davido_> I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 17.10 that lscpu reports incorrect CPU MHz.  It stays pegged at the CPU's design max -- doesn't show down-stepping.
[03:42] <hata_ph> bcowan, i have disable secure boot...it should not use efi anymore...right?
[03:43] <adrian_1908> davido_: same here, also since 17.10
[03:44] <davido_> Mine would normally display somewhere in the 1600MHz range at idle, and due to OC, would jump up to 4600MHz under full load.  But instead it stays steadily at 3499.996MHz which is the CPU's design value.
[03:45] <bcowan> hata_ph: it will still boot efi
[03:45] <hata_ph> :(
[03:47] <hata_ph> bcowan, but then i can install windows 7 64bit on the Z485...
[03:48] <hata_ph> if the laptop is 32bit efi...it should not be able to install any 64bit OS, right?
[03:50] <bcowan> hata_ph: it can, just have to get the right bootloader
[03:52] <alive876__>  hi, i am running a server on port 80 of an Ubuntu 16.04 vps  and  trying to use ssh tunneling to have  it listen on port 5111 of a remote linux , but doesn't seem to work, I have it documented here -> https://pastebin.com/pjYWr72u     thanks!
[03:53] <alive876__> i've also updated the local /etc/ssh/sshd_config file to allow port 80
[03:54] <bcowan> hata_ph: http://www.linuxium.com.au/how-tos/runningubuntuontheintelcomputestick
[03:54] <bcowan> Try reading that for ideas
[03:54] <hata_ph> bcowan, thanks...but my laptop is using AMD chipset if not mistaken...but will have a read on it
[03:56] <hata_ph> https://support.lenovo.com/uu/en/solutions/pd025320
[04:00] <PhilB> alive876__: Did you set GatewayPorts yes in the remote machine sshd_config?
[04:01] <PhilB> Or maybe it's the local machine? Either way, see:  http://blog.trackets.com/2014/05/17/ssh-tunnel-local-and-remote-port-forwarding-explained-with-examples.html
[04:01] <alive876__> ok i'll take a look, thanks
[04:05] <PhilB> Or you can forward local, with something like ssh -L 80:localhost:5111 user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  (I think)
[04:05] <PhilB> SSH tunnelling is one of those things I have to Google every time I go to use it, for some reason!
[04:06] <davido_> Well, not sure iif I submitted it correctly, but: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/1727158
[04:06] <PhilB> alive876__: You'll probably also want to add a -N at the end so SSH doesn't actually execute a command.
[04:10] <oerheks> davido_, what do you see whith:  watch grep \"cpu MHz\" /proc/cpuinfo  # lscpu gives static info
[04:11] <davido_> Shows all eight hyperthreads pegged at 3499.996.
[04:11] <davido_> Doubt that's correct; cpu temp is close to idle level.
[04:12] <oerheks> base speed of 3.5 GHz http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Core-i7-2700K
[04:13] <davido_> yes.  But at idle it should drop to 1600, and did exhibit that behavior when watching lscpu prior to upgrading to 17.10
[04:17] <davido_> In fact, hardinfo shows a correct "current" value in the frequency scaling section of the processor field.
[04:20] <davido_> ah, no, actually hardinfo has it wrong too, but differently wrong.  Shows "current" at 1599995khz even if stress -c 8 is running, so lscpu shows design base speed as current, and hardinfo shows down-scale minimum as current, both at idle, and at full stress.
[04:41] <freakyy> question: ubuntu or kubuntu? :D
[04:41] <davido_> Not answerable in the absence of a lot of other information.
[04:41] <freakyy> ok ;D
[04:42] <freakyy> i guess ills tick to kubuntu
[04:42] <freakyy> it has more functions
[04:42] <freakyy> but well, if gnome just had a better screenshot integration
[04:42] <freakyy> like if i press print, it should make it possible to edit the screenshot - upload somewhere etc.
[04:43] <davido_> Install a couple VM's. Experiment. Decide what works best for you.  You might find that Shutter does what you need.
[05:02] <lal> hey guys im trying to install ubuntu 17.10 on my laptop but the screen would freeze during the installation, is this a known problem?
[05:03] <lal> even in try without installation the screen freezes and displays radom colors in random positions
[05:03] <davido_> Don't see that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues
[05:04] <davido_> Are you using a discreet graphics card?
[05:04] <lal> the thing is I can use the same usb bootable with my old pc but not my laptop
[05:04] <theory4000> LIST -max
[05:04] <lal> no i dont have a dgpu
[05:05] <davido_> has the laptop previously been running an earlier version of Ubuntu?
[05:05] <lal> i have been using this laptop with windows 10 for some time
[05:05] <lal> not ubuntu tho
[06:27] <MYounis> Hey everyone
[06:38] <EleanorEllis> Is it better to block ads and malware with privoxy, dnsmasq or a local host file? And why? Which uses least resources?
[06:39] <alkisg> ublock origin :)
[06:40] <MYounis> Hello anybody here?
[06:40] <alkisg> !ask
[06:40] <mabuchi> hello .-.
[06:40] <EleanorEllis> I don't want a browser extension because then that uses more resources
[06:41] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: ok; although maybe you don't want to block full domains but http subdirectories, and host-based ad filtering can't do that
[06:41] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: Why would I want to do that?
[06:42] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: because http://mysite/mycontent might be a fine site, and http://mysite/ads might have ads
[06:42] <_fimoud> [17.10] Does the name of any file or directory look dark on your desktop guys? I don't know if I'm the only one with this problem (screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/Y3moutX.png )
[06:42] <alkisg> You can't blacklist those ads by blacklisting mysite, because you'd lose the normal content
[06:42] <MYounis> Okay. I've been trying to install Linux on my computer. I'm stuck with windows. I tried intalling it about 2 years ago. It gets to grub. Where it gives option to Run from Live USB intall and couple of other options.
[06:42] <MYounis> But it always gets stuck at Blackscreen
[06:42] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: Unlikely. Most ads come from networks like ads.doubleclick blah blah blah
[06:42] <MYounis> just after grub
[06:43] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: check one of the online lists, no, it's not just domains
[06:43] <EleanorEllis> So my question is whether to use dnsmasq or privoxy
[06:44] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: maintaining a hosts file, in any program, shouldn't make much of a difference in efficiency
[06:45] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: Privoxy is a proxy server that detects ads whereas dnsmasq blocks at the domain name level
[06:45] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: and can it proxy https traffic, which all the web is nowadays?
[06:46] <EleanorEllis> yes
[06:46] <alkisg> Obviously rewritting http headers takes more cpu than a hosts file
[06:47] <EleanorEllis> Not obvious to me. That's why I'm asking the question. The local hosts file could be quite big
[06:48] <alkisg> It doesn't matter, a binary search in a billion entries takes less than a msec
[06:50] <_fimoud> Can anyone with Ubuntu 17.10 check if the name of their directories or files on the desktop are in black or white? I just want to know if I'm the only one with this aesthetic "bug".
[06:52] <alkisg> MYounis: which program did you use to create the usb stick? E.g. Rufus? Unetbootin? Yumi?
[06:52] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: My mistake dnsmasq is a caching dns resolver so it is supposed to speed up dns lookup by caching. It can also use a hosts file and it can also use adblocking files
[06:52] <MYounis> Rufus and LiLi
[06:53] <MYounis> alkisg I tried Rufus and LiLi
[06:53] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: yup, I'm using dnsmasq in many machines here, but not for ad blocking. It's fine, fast etc, and it was even preinstalled in previous ubuntu versions.
[06:54] <alkisg> MYounis: can you try nomodeset?
[06:54] <alkisg> !nomodeset
[06:54] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: https://github.com/suntong/dbab
[06:55] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: I haven't tried dns-based blocking, but I'm afraid it'll ruin the browsing experience in some sites
[06:56] <alkisg> There are reasons why in-browser adblockers rewrite ads, instead of just blocking them
[06:56] <MYounis> alkisg yes, I followed many tutorials. this one too.
[06:56] <MYounis> That was when I was trying to intsall linuxmint
[06:56] <alkisg> And why they use regexes instead of just a very fast domain list
[06:57] <alkisg> MYounis: so no live cd boots in your pc?
[06:57] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: Such as?
[06:58] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: I found ad block plus slowed down the browser enormously and they are paid to let through certain ads
[06:58] <MYounis> alkisg I've just tried linux ive cds. And it' gets to grub then stucks at black screen. On running live as welll as intallation option
[06:58] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: I already mentioned one reason, i.e. one domain might have both ads and valid content. Another is when they don't allow you to see the content if they think you block ads (and there rewritting helps).
[06:58] <alkisg> MYounis: what graphics card do you have?
[06:59] <MYounis> alkisg Intell HD 5500
[07:00] <alkisg> MYounis: try with this tutorial: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows, it uses rufus. If it still causes black screen, tell us.
[07:00] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: "they don't allow you to see the content if they think you block ads" Pardon? What does that sentence mean?
[07:01] <alkisg> EleanorEllis: e.g. you go to "watch-some-online-movie.com" and they detect that the ad from "some-online-ad.com" didn't load, so they refuse to show you the movie
[07:01] <MYounis> alkisg this is the configuration of my laptop
[07:01] <MYounis> https://www.gadgetsnow.com/laptops/HP-ENVY-TouchSmart-15-x360-15-u110dx-J9H89UA-Laptop-Core-i5-5th-Gen8-GB1-TBWindows-8-1
[07:02] <alkisg> MYounis: people report that ubuntu works fine there, e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/600528/is-ubuntu-compatible-with-the-hp-spectre-x360
[07:04] <MYounis> alkisg mine is HP Envy. Plus one of my friends also has different version of HP Envy, and he has used linux on his computer.
[07:05] <alkisg> MYounis: envy works fine too, e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/871987/wifi-is-not-working-in-hp-envy-x360-with-ubuntu
[07:05] <alkisg> So it sounds like you didn't create the stick properly
[07:07] <MYounis> alkisg Oh. Ok. I'll try it again. Though I tried multiple tutorials and different applications with different options.
[07:07] <MYounis> I'll follow the link you shared again
[07:08] <EleanorEllis> alkisg: Also I want to block malware
[07:12] <TLE> Hi. I have a serious problem with 17.10. I loose my session at the lock screen. I.e. when I want to unlock, it isn't an unlock screen but normal login and when I do log in, it is a new session so all my open programs was lost
[07:13] <TLE> Does anyone have any input on how to troubleshoot this. The problem is, that I find it difficult to search for, since I don't know where the fault is, lock-screen/loginmanager, gnome-shell, wayland etc.
[07:14] <ikonia> TLE: I suspect what's happening is the unlock is crashing the X session, and it's resetting, so you get the standard login prompt because the X session has reset
[07:14] <ikonia> TLE: have a look in the X logs and your X session logs to see if there is any suggestion it's resetting
[07:15] <ikonia> TLE: the symptoms you describe are common with a X session resetting
[07:16] <TLE> ikonia: yes, well, it was wayland sessions, but the same thing seem to happen even if I change to an x session. I will try and have a look at the X and wayland logs
[07:16] <TLE> ikonia: thanks for the suggestion
[07:48] <alwyn> Hi, during unattended upgrades on one of our machines, apt/dpkg wants to setup python-six, however, it cannot import the python module ConfigParser... Is this a known issue?
[07:49] <alwyn> I would assume the dependencies would first install that python module
[07:50] <auronandace> !info python-six
[07:50] <alwyn> https://stackoverflow.com/a/14087705/7647292 it seems it has been renamed to configparser (lowercase)
[07:51] <auronandace> alwyn: nice catch, you can check out launchpad to see if anyone has reported it
[07:51] <auronandace> !launchpad
[07:54] <Seveas> alwyn: ConfigParser is part of the python package itself. Not being able to import that, means something is Seriously Wrong™
[07:57] <alwyn> I think it's more of an issue with which python version it loads
[07:57] <alkisg> I've seen it when someone tried to manually install some newer python... yeah that ^
[07:58] <alkisg> alwyn:  ls -lha /usr/bin/python*
[07:58] <alwyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25815006/
[07:59] <alwyn> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25815012/
[08:01] <alwyn> pycompile loads /usr/bin/python, tries to import various functions from debpython, which loads ConfigParser
[08:01] <alwyn> And /usr/bin/python points to python3
[08:01] <alwyn> So I would say the issue lies in debpython
[08:03] <Seveas> /usr/bin/python doesn't point to python3 on any ubuntu version I know
[08:04] <alwyn> Hmmm
[08:04] <alwyn> Okay... let's see then
[08:04] <alwyn> This is 16.04 fyi
[08:04] <Seveas> that one definitely didn't have /usr/bin/python pointing to python3
[08:04] <Seveas> you must have broken that yourself :)
[08:05] <alwyn> Ughhh sounds like a colleague set that somewhere
[08:05] <Seveas> that colleague needs a spanking
[08:05] <alwyn> :D
[08:06] <Seveas> http://roadkill.net/madmins/CAT509pro.html
[08:06] <akshay> hello
[08:07] <akshay>   ] [ Krenair         ] [ Nik05           ] [ SkyRocknRoll    ] [ xmrpooler_iphone]
[08:07] <akshay> 13:36 [ cebor           ] [ Gallomimia     ] [ krisd           ] [ nikow           ] [ SkyRocknRoll_   ] [ xtreamwayz      ]
[08:08] <alwyn> Is Is python 3 going to be the default in 18.10/04? :D
[08:28] <Odd_> So, uhm. I just ran sudo cp -r, but accidentally managed to copy the destination to the source. Which had some files of the same name that wrote over everything. Any way to recover those files, or can I just call 'em rip and recreate?
[08:42] <alkisg> In Ubuntu MATE 16.04, I have never seen the automatic updates prompt, which was there in previous versions. Is it a MATE problem, or it affects other flavours too?
[08:42] <alkisg> E.g. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/software-updater.jpg
[08:50] <alkisg> I.e. has anyone seen that dialog in 16.04?
[08:55] <kalcso> How can I upgrade artful to bionic?!
[08:56] <alexas> what is virtual terminal and why my GUI desktop apps start to switch off when am using it?
[08:56] <Thunder_Tw> kalcso: check  # do-release-upgrade
[08:58] <kalcso> Thunder_Tw: No new release found.
[08:59] <Ben64> 17.10 just came out, 18.04 doesn't exist yet
[08:59] <kalcso> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/firefox
[08:59] <kalcso> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/
[09:02] <Thunder_Tw> kalcso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[09:02] <Thunder_Tw> kalcso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[09:06] <kalcso> Thanks
[09:08] <ideasman42> Hi. Silly Q - does latest ubuntu w/ Wayland have WAYLAND_DISPLAY env var set?
[09:09] <ideasman42> Am not on ubuntu but would like my app to detect XWayland
[09:09] <ideasman42> Aparently WAYLAND_DISPLAY isn't required
[09:09] <robW_HK> Anyone running Ubuntu inside a Chromebook enviro via crouton?
[09:10] <robW_HK> Heard talk that ChromeOS would soon allow native installation and discontinue need for chroots. Any knowledge of that here?
[09:10] <LTCD> Guys I have a pretty serious problem. I tried to format a USB memory stick with gparted earlier, but I think I formated my HDD instead :/. HELP!
[09:11] <robW_HK> LTCD: Ouch. Not sure about that one, sorry. Have a backup you can reimage to?
[09:12] <alkisg> !testdisk | LTCD:
[09:13] <alkisg> LTCD: try testdisk, it's a tool that tries to save partitions etc
[09:13] <LTCD> robW_HK Sadly we aren't allowed to make backups of it.
[09:13] <LTCD> How do I do testdisk?
[09:16] <lng> Hi! After upgrading to 17.10 from 16.04, no keyboard nor mouse working. I tried Recovery mode and was able to run terminal and found out there are some packages need to be fixed, but there is another issue - because I use external wifi adapter connected via USB, I have no Intenet connection. How to enable wifi?
[09:17] <lng> I think modules are not loaded
[09:19] <LTCD> Anyone please help?
[09:20] <gnomethrower> I need some help compiling pound2.7 on Ubuntu 16.04
[09:21] <gnomethrower> Keep getting Missing OpenSSL (-lcrypto) - aborted
[09:21] <gnomethrower> despite making sure openssl is installed, and using ./configure --with-ssl=/usr/lib/ssl/ to direct it appropriately
[09:22] <gnomethrower> Oh.
[09:22] <gnomethrower> Installing libssl-dev fixed it
[09:22] <LTCD> Guys how do I install testdisk?! Why is there not an iso file or something.
[09:23] <Ben64> an iso? it's a program, not an os
[09:23] <LTCD> Ben64 How can I run testdisk when I can't boot the OS?!
[09:24] <LTCD> Guys I've just format a work laptop I need help now PLEASE
[09:24] <Ben64> boot from a live usb or something
[09:24] <gnomethrower> first step, calm down and relax
[09:24] <LTCD> Oh jesus christ this just gets beter
[09:24] <gnomethrower> you don't want to rush this
[09:24] <gnomethrower> using a DIFFERENT computer, download a Ubuntu desktop ISO and use that to boot from on the victim computer
[09:25] <gnomethrower> boot that, then install testdisk, then use testdisk.
[09:25] <LTCD> gnomethrower yeah doing it now, luckily I have a USB with ubuntu
[09:25] <gnomethrower> as Ben64 said, live USB
[09:25] <gnomethrower> but I am serious about calming down
[09:26] <LTCD> it did not let me touch the /boot partition, but the other partition I changed to ext4 and I think I even tried to format it or something
[09:26] <gnomethrower> you may be lucky, if you haven't actually written too much data
[09:26] <gnomethrower> usually formatting blows away the partition data, but that can be rebuilt using the right tools
[09:27] <gnomethrower> if you did a "full" reformat, where it zeroes everything, then you're in trouble
[09:27] <ukernyanz_> Hi everyone, I have a problem since I've upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10. My system make about 30 minutes to boot. And I don't know why. This is my syslog after a boot : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25815421/
[09:27] <gnomethrower> but it doesn't sound like that's what you did
[09:28] <LTCD> gnomethrower Thank God I am downloaidng teskdisk now. Would you please walk me through privately what to do? I can pay some BTC
[09:28] <gnomethrower> LTCD: I'm a bit busy but I'm happy to try to help.
[09:29] <gnomethrower> I'll PM you. No BTC necessary
[09:29] <illuminated> that's kinda a bummer.  I'd like to see this discussion as well
[09:29] <Ben64> yeah, this channel is for support :)
[09:33] <young> Hey can some one teach me how to write a script to kill all my windows?
[09:33] <Ben64> sudo poweroff?
[09:33] <young> ...
[09:36] <young> I did it
[09:37] <estan> hi folks. in https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/21/dustin-kirkland-ubuntu-18-04-lts-desktop-default-application-survey/ it was mentioned that EXT4 encryption with fscrypt would be in place for 17.10, but i can't find anything about it in the release notes (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes). anyone know if it was postponed?
[09:37] <young> I didn't but thx for telling me a command :D
[09:38] <young> does -kill all  work?
[09:38] <Ben64> estan: " and we hope to get there in Ubuntu over the next two releases. "
[09:39] <young> Asking a question to close all windows that I have opened
[09:39] <estan> Ben64: ah. thanks. where was that quote from?
[09:39] <Ben64> estan: the links you posted lol
[09:40] <EriC^^> young: https://askubuntu.com/questions/166279/how-can-i-close-all-opening-windows-with-a-script
[09:40] <young> thanks
[09:41] <estan> Ben64: huh? maybe my browser is broken, but i searched for "the next two" and couldn't find anything :/
[09:41] <EriC^^> young: kind of related, might be useful https://askubuntu.com/questions/753033/how-can-i-make-a-shortcut-to-close-all-the-windows-of-the-same-application  , np
[09:42] <young> Thanks!!
[09:45] <young> Does pinging out, also mean lagging out? :( first irc chat
[09:45] <young> nvm
[09:49] <gnomethrower> illuminated: Ben64: I'll ask LTCD if I can post the conversation later
[09:49] <gnomethrower> basically we're just running through testdisk. he couldn't install it initially as LiveCD has Universe disabled by default
[09:49] <gnomethrower> other than that it's all just tutorials you can easily find on Google
[10:03] <aaaa> guys how can I check if all packages are installed after upgrade on ubuntu
[10:05] <aaaa> for example if i install clean ubuntu there has about 2000-2100 packages but i want to check if some of them are not installed or it is come from somewhere else
[10:27] <gnomethrower> Hey, is anyone here good with Testdisk, especially in the context of lost/overwritten partition table?
[10:28] <gnomethrower> I've been trying to help LTCD out with their issues and am at the limits of my knowledge
[10:28] <gnomethrower> FWIW the machine in question is/was using Full-Disk Encryption, which complicates matters
[10:31] <cwhii> Upon upgrade of lubuntu 17.10 from 17.04 display messed up on an eeepc 900a
[10:31] <cwhii> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/400177/upon-upgrade-of-lubuntu-17-10-from-17-04-display-messed-up-on-an-eeepc-900a
[10:31] <cwhii> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/400177/upon-upgrade-of-lubuntu-17-10-from-17-04-display-messed-up-on-an-eeepc-900a
[10:51] <TLE> Hi. I have a problem where, leaving the PC for some time, will kill my session and leave me at the login screen of a new session. I have collected logs from the incident and am wondering if anyone can help me parse them, so I know what to search google for or bug report
[10:51] <TLE> Paste is at: https://github.com/KennethNielsen/pastes/blob/master/all_program_crash_pastebin (which had to be a github due to the size)
[10:52] <TLE> I made a terminal program record the time it was shut down, and that timestamp is at the top, followed by the journal and syslog around that time stamp
[10:54] <newbsduser> hello, I am on windows trying to run rdpy-rdpclient.py  with:  python rdpy-rdpclient.py -> gives:  No module named sip... Actually I installed PyQt4, twisted and all dependicies successfuly. How can I solve it?  OR do you know another rdp client python library?
[10:55] <ducasse> !ubuwin | newbsduser
[10:56] <newbsduser> omg let me check :) ducasse
[10:57] <newbsduser> does it work on Windows Server 2012 R2? :D
[10:58] <ducasse> newbsduser: i don't think so, i thought you were already using it. why are you asking here if you are on windows?
[11:00] <untoreh> networkmanager keeps putting <IP_ADDRESS> in my resolv.conf and keeps ignoring additional dns entries
[11:03] <LTCD> Guys I tried to log into my computer with full disk encryption. When I enter password it says Requested offset is beyond real size of redice dev/disk/by-valid/by-uuid/ .......
[11:04] <Scoop7> is it okay  to make /var/www/html to chmod 777 in order I could deploy a website, because currently I have permissions issues ?
[11:04] <Scoop7> What is the right path  ?
[11:05] <hateball> Scoop7: Your computer, your choice. But no, don't chmod 777, fix the problem instead.
[11:06] <Scoop7> it's an aws ubuntu 16.04 instance (remote)
[11:06] <Scoop7> idk other way would be to deploy as a root user
[11:06] <ducasse> Scoop7: you can put your user in the group that owns /var/www/html
[11:06] <Scoop7> oh
[11:06] <Scoop7> good idea
[11:08] <Scoop7> sudo chown -R $USER /var/www/html ? ducasse
[11:09] <ducasse> Scoop7: no, that's changing the group owner - not what i said
[11:10] <Scoop7> um a bit confused ducasse anyleads ?
[11:11] <campitor> hi everyone
[11:11] <ducasse> Scoop7: first, who owns /var/www/html?
[11:12] <littleypython> i am creating a folder,it says no space,but if i do df -h it tells that space exists.what can i check or troubleshoot
[11:12] <Scoop7> root ducasse
[11:12] <ducasse> Scoop7: and the group?
[11:12] <campitor> I have installed ubuntu on my usb flash stick, but when i was installing it, i treated the usb as a hd, meaning i did not use tools like flashinstaller, now i mostly use this usb on my laptop, and never used it anywhere else, but today when i tried booting it on my pc desktop it said os not found
[11:12] <campitor> is there a way to fix this?
[11:13] <campitor> ps i have spent a LOT of time configuraing this usb ubuntu, for speed and security
[11:13] <campitor> i can't dd it
[11:14] <Scoop7> https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwlgEZkX5tK  ducasse.. um also root ?
[11:14] <Scoop7> ducasse
[11:16] <ducasse> Scoop7: i thought it was www-data or something by default
[11:16] <ducasse> Scoop7: does that group exist on your system?
[11:17] <akik> campitor: if you connect the usb stick to some other computer, can you still access it?
[11:17] <ChunkzZ> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GKvSXd4b/
[11:17] <akik> campitor: it's not uncommon that those devices fail
[11:17] <ChunkzZ> anyone know how to fix that? ^
[11:17] <ukernyanz_> Hi everyone, I have a problem since I've upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10. My system make about 30 minutes to boot. And I don't know why. This is my syslog after a boot : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25815421/
[11:17] <campitor> akik: ofcourse, it is working on my laptop, and i can access it from my ubuntu desktop, it is working
[11:18] <campitor> but doesnt boot on its own
[11:18] <royal_screwup21> I'm trying to find a file with a specific word in it. I tried grep -Ril "my_word" -- and this works but the output is visually unclear. What's the easiest command line way to change the color of the grep output?
[11:18] <akik> campitor: you might be able to chroot into the usb stick storage if you have another installation of linux, then re-run grub-install
[11:19] <campitor> akik: you see the problem is that the boot loader got installed on my laptop when i was installing it, and nw i can only boot it on my laptop, now i need a way to install the boot loader on the usb stick
[11:19] <ChunkzZ> anyone?? -.-
[11:19] <akik> campitor: ah ok you should've written it on the usb stick too
[11:19] <campitor> EXACTLY. :(
[11:19] <campitor> akik: is it fixable?
[11:20] <akik> campitor: do you have another linux install?
[11:20] <campitor> without damaging anything?
[11:20] <campitor> akik: yes i have a lot of linux installations,
[11:20] <Scoop7> ducasse ubuntu adm dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lxd  <-- this is what "groups" outputed
[11:20] <campitor> right now i am on ubuntu on my dektop
[11:20] <akik> campitor: did you have a gpt partition table on it?
[11:20] <ducasse> Scoop7: 'grep www /etc/group'
[11:21] <campitor> akik: on the desktop?
[11:21] <campitor> [or the usb?
[11:21] <akik> campitor: on the usb stick
[11:21] <Scoop7> www-data:x:33:
[11:21] <campitor> akik: i think, let me check
[11:22] <campitor> akik: yeap, a gpt is on the usb stick, one filesystem partition ext4, and one 1GB swap space.
[11:22] <ducasse> Scoop7: then set www-data as the group owner for /var/www/html, and add your user to that group with usermod
[11:23] <akik> campitor: first mount the ext4 partition to /mnt
[11:23] <campitor> ok done
[11:23] <Scoop7> ducasse can you give me the code
[11:24] <akik> campitor: then run: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[11:24] <akik> campitor: or if you use the root account, skip the sudo
[11:24] <Scoop7> chown -R www-data /var/www/html   ?
[11:25] <ducasse> Scoop7: not 'code', it's a 'command' :) 'sudo chgrp -R www-data /var/www/html'
[11:25] <campitor> akik: why are you mounting every device?
[11:25] <Scoop7> yes, sorry for that - command :) And the second one ?
[11:25] <akik> campitor: they are special directories needed for this procedure
[11:26] <akik> campitor: only those 5 dirs
[11:26] <akik> campitor: they are mounted from your host into the chroot dir
[11:26] <ducasse> Scoop7: chown changes the owner, you want to change the group. for the second, 'sudo usermod -a -G www-data $USER'
[11:27] <EriC^^> campitor: when you chroot the system can't access behind "/mnt" so you need to mount bind those dirs to be able to see the devices and whatnot from within the chroot
[11:28] <campitor> ok
[11:28] <campitor> done
[11:28] <akik> campitor: then: sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[11:29] <Scoop7> ducasse commands seemed to works without errors, but still I get permission denied
[11:29] <Scoop7> wokred*
[11:29] <Scoop7> do I need to reload smth, maybe ?
[11:29] <ducasse> Scoop7: log out, log in.
[11:29] <Scoop7> ok
[11:30] <akik> campitor: then check if you see files in /boot/efi (you will be inside the chroot which is now actually the /mnt dir)
[11:30] <Scoop7> ducasse doesn't works
[11:30] <Scoop7> https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhVm4yrmo2hN  ducasse <-- simple test
[11:31] <campitor> akik: wait a second, do I need to make a directory for /mnt? or is "mount -r -t msdos /dev/sdd /mnt" enough?
[11:31] <Scoop7> https://thepasteb.in/p/k5hYzxGO4yNiE  ducasse
[11:31] <Scoop7> maybe I need to set the lower level directories to www-data as well ?
[11:31] <akik> campitor: /mnt should be an empty directory before this procedure
[11:32] <akik> campitor: you need to mount the ext4 partition to /mnt
[11:32] <campitor> mnt is empty
[11:32] <akik> campitor: not the whole /dev/sdd but the partition which has an ext4 file system
[11:33] <campitor> so simply: "sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt" right?
[11:33] <akik> campitor: yes
[11:33] <campitor> ok done
[11:33] <akik> campitor: then the for loop that mounts those 5 dirs
[11:33] <Scoop7> ok so var and www are both have the owners as root only
[11:34] <Scoop7> sudo chgrp -R www-data /var maybe needed ?
[11:35] <akik> somebody needs to add this recovery procedure to the installation
[11:35] <ducasse> Scoop7: has the group got write perms?
[11:35] <Scoop7> good q, not sure
[11:35] <campitor> ok, I ran that loop command, but it seems to be stuck at >
[11:35] <campitor> I get a ">" and I can type in more commands is that alright?
[11:35] <ducasse> Scoop7: not according to the paste from earlier
[11:36] <Scoop7> so how to fix this ?
[11:36] <akik> campitor: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[11:36] <akik> campitor: it's probably missing some char
[11:36] <campitor> ok now I am "root@ubuntu:/#"
[11:36] <campitor> ok
[11:36] <ducasse> Scoop7: chmod it, 'chmod g+w /var/www/html'
[11:36] <akik> campitor: you ran the chroot?
[11:36] <campitor> akik: about to
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:38] <Scoop7> ducasse permission denied should I execute this with sudo ?
[11:39] <campitor> akik : "sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash" ==> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu: connection refused chroot: failed to run command 'bin/bash': no such file or directory
[11:39] <akik> campitor: maybe missing / in front of bin/bash
[11:39] <ducasse> Scoop7: yes, of course, since you don't have permissions yourself
[11:40] <akik> campitor: sudo chroot /mnt should also work
[11:44] <gosmoy> exit
[11:51] <campitor> akik: ok, sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash worked,
[11:51] <campitor> i had to restart the system and follow these: https://ghostbin.com/paste/remsf again
[11:52] <campitor> I probably did somethihng wrong the first time
[11:52] <akik> campitor: ok can you now see files in /boot/efi
[11:53] <Cooler> is there a search in nautilus?
[11:53] <Cooler> search feature
[11:53] <campitor> akik: inside "/mnt/boot" you mean? or my pc's '/boot'.
[11:53] <campitor> ?
[11:53] <akik> campitor: inside the chroot in /boot/efi
[11:53] <EriC^^> Cooler: the search icon in the top right corner
[11:54] <campitor> akik: yes
[11:54] <campitor> ls -a, cd boot, ls -a > files
[11:54] <akik> campitor: ok here comes the command that should install grub on that device: grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi --boot-directory=/boot --target=x86_64-efi
[11:54] <EriC^^> Cooler: also there's ctrl+s which is pretty sick, it lets you use stuff like "*something*" to select stuff
[11:54] <akik> campitor: run that inside the chroot
[11:55] <campitor> i hope i don't mess this up
[11:55] <akik> campitor: make a dd copy first
[11:55] <akik> campitor: if it's important
[11:55] <Scoop7> ducasse btw it worked
[11:55] <Scoop7> !! Thanks a ton
[11:55] <ducasse> Scoop7: good, have fun :)
[11:56] <Scoop7> ubottu non taken
[11:56] <akik> campitor: sudo dd if=/dev/sdd of=backup_file_on_your_disk.img bs=1024k
[11:57] <campitor> akik: https://ghostbin.com/paste/bup9f
[11:57] <campitor> :(
[11:57] <Bear10> Hey there, does anyone by any chance know what I need to be looking at to enable port connections? I've setup rules (so I thought) in iptables for tcp port 3000 but when i netcat to it, it's always rejecting (all from the same machine too)
[11:58] <akik> campitor: what's inside /boot/efi ?
[11:59] <akik> campitor: you can use pastebin.com to show it
[11:59] <campitor> nothing
[11:59] <ikonia> Bear10: what is the iptables rule you created
[11:59] <campitor> it is empty
[11:59] <Cooler> is there a way to make the notifications clickable?
[11:59] <Cooler> why are they unclickable in the first place?
[11:59] <Bear10> ikonia: i went ahead and did this: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 3000 -j ACCEPT.  for OUTPUT, INPUT and FORWARD
[11:59] <campitor> akik: /boot/efi on chroot is totally empty
[11:59] <Scoop7> Cooler what do you mean ?
[11:59] <tommaso> Hi, I have a strange problem, whenever i login to Gnome session (either wayland or xorg), after a boot, the screen blinks to black exactly 3 times. I'm on Ubuntu 17.10, with prop. driver for Intel HD 520
[12:00] <Bear10> don't know if i need to restart iptables or flush or something in order for it to take effect though
[12:00] <Scoop7> you can make them explosive or anything you like
[12:00] <ikonia> Bear10: does iptabled -L list the port as open ?
[12:00] <Scoop7> or make them dance tango on click
[12:00] <Cooler> Scoop7: what
[12:00] <Bear10> ikonia: shows up : ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere             tcp dpts:3000
[12:00] <ikonia> Bear10: ok, so it should be there
[12:01] <ikonia> Bear10: is there somethign actually listening on port 3000 ?
[12:01] <akik> EriC^^: could you help campitor further? not sure what has happened with his efi partition. maybe it's never been on the usb stick
[12:01] <Bear10> oh gosh
[12:01] <Bear10> i think i figured it out
[12:01] <Cooler> i mean when you move your mouse over the notification, it blurs and becomes translucent
[12:01] <Bear10> one second and i'll let you know
[12:01] <EriC^^> akik: ok
[12:01] <Cooler> you can't click on it
[12:01] <akik> thanks
[12:01] <EriC^^> sure thing
[12:01] <Scoop7> Cooler oh you mean the default ubuntu notifications
[12:01] <Scoop7> Yeah they suck a bit
[12:02] <EriC^^> campitor: can you briefly repeat your problem?
[12:02] <campitor> so sorry folks, :( I don't know why i did this stupid thing of not installing the bootloader on the usb in the first place.
[12:02] <Cooler> how do i change that?
[12:02] <Bear10> ikonia: sorry about that i think it works something was wrong on the server side
[12:03] <ikonia> Bear10: not a problem. Pleased you found it
[12:04] <campitor> EriC^^: I have a usb stick, that I installed ubuntu on it, but not using usbcreator, or unetbootin, I treated the usb stick just like a hard drive, and installed ubuntu on it, and now it only boots on the laptop that I originally used to install it on, and it doesn't wok on my dektop pc, BIOS says os not found, and doesn't boot ubuntu from usb
[12:05] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, you chrooted into the usb install?
[12:05] <campitor> yes
[12:05] <campitor> https://ghostbin.com/paste/remsf
[12:05] <Cooler> also where are the logs for the terminal commands?
[12:05] <campitor> ^ the commands i used
[12:05] <Cooler> i mean the history
[12:06] <Cooler> for bash
[12:06] <ducasse> Cooler: ~/.bash_history
[12:06] <EriC^^> campitor: type "(ls /sys/firmware/efi; sudo parted -ls) |& nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[12:07] <campitor> why nc?!
[12:07] <ducasse> Cooler: you can change it by setting HISTFILE, i think - check bash man page.
[12:07] <EriC^^> campitor: it's netcat, it sends the output to a pastebin
[12:08] <campitor> EriC^^: would it be ok if I pasted the out put of "(ls /sys/firmware/efi; sudo parted -ls)" myself, I feel more comfortable that way
[12:08] <campitor> is it alright?
[12:10] <EriC^^> campitor: sure np
[12:10] <Cooler> ducasse: thank you
[12:11] <Cooler> so how do i change the default ubuntu notifications?
[12:11] <Cooler> i want them to be clickable
[12:12] <Scoop7> hey https://imgur.com/a/drpU5 <--- what to choose here ?
[12:12] <Scoop7> poped up after executed of the command, listed below.
[12:12] <melani> hola
[12:12] <melani> tengo un problema
[12:12] <melani> me puede alguien ayudar
[12:13] <campitor> EriC^^: do you need all the information for all my hard disks for this? Cause they don't seem related in this case. I can't boot the usb even if I disable all my hard disks from within the BIOS
[12:13] <ducasse> !es | melani
[12:14] <Cooler> Scoop7: how do you change the default notifications?
[12:14] <EriC^^> campitor: ok
[12:14] <Cooler> hello?
[12:14] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/krt2r
[12:15] <EriC^^> campitor: and ls /sys/firmware/efi ?
[12:15] <laplume333> hey any saint around?
[12:15] <EriC^^> laplume333: no, they're with the tooth fairy right now
[12:15] <ikonia> saint ?
[12:16] <laplume333> i need a helping hand.. got a loggon session problem when i woke up this morning.. 16.04 lts , my logon loop....
[12:16] <campitor> EriC^^: right, so sorry, https://ghostbin.com/paste/y9g4d
[12:16] <laplume333> yeah , a helper :P
[12:17] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, "grep efi /mnt/etc/fstab"
[12:17] <campitor> EriC^^: in chroot?
[12:17] <EriC^^> no
[12:17] <campitor> ok
[12:20] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/fqqpy
[12:20] <Cooler> how do i change the default ubuntu notifications?
[12:20] <ducasse> !patience | Cooler
[12:21] <campitor> EriC^^: I have messed up bad havnt i? :(
[12:22] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, so the usb is installed in uefi mode using a gpt table, and it probably used your other hdd's efi partition
[12:22] <campitor> EXACTLY
[12:22] <campitor> yes
[12:22] <campitor> that's what happened
[12:22] <campitor> and now I have an unbootable usb
[12:23] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, so i'm assuming you want a kind of stand alone usb install where you can plug to any pc and it boots?
[12:23] <campitor> all because of a single stupid mistake by me
[12:23] <campitor> yes
[12:24] <campitor> and I don't have a efi partition on this usb stick :(
[12:24] <EriC^^> ok, we'll at this point we need to create a fat32 partition for uefi to work, you can put the efi file in the standard removable device location so it boots like any other live usb
[12:25] <EriC^^> campitor: yeah, you can take a little space from the swap partition, you just need like 20mb or so
[12:25] <EriC^^> even less
[12:25] <campitor> doesn't efi need to be located  like as the first partition for it to work?
[12:25] <campitor> ok firing up gparted
[12:26] <EriC^^> as for booting on legacy, i was thinking you could make a 1mib bios-boot and install grub there so it works with gpt, so in theory (i've never actually tested this) it should boot on both uefi and legacy without a hitch
[12:26] <EriC^^> campitor: no, just in the first 2tb of the disk i believe
[12:27] <Chris_> maybe someone can help me. is it possible to mask a running service in systemd (like apport an whoospie.service) and does it take effect? is it correct that the service is still running (becuase i haven't stopped it) but no more active on next boot?
[12:27] <campitor> that untested method you talk about that can be bootable both on leacy and uefi, is it dangerous?
[12:27] <EriC^^> campitor: no, not at all
[12:27] <campitor> ok, would you suggest we give it a test?
[12:27] <EriC^^> sure why not
[12:27] <campitor> ok, how can i go about doing it?
[12:27] <neure> hi
[12:27] <EriC^^> campitor: create a 10mib efi partition fat32, and a 1mib bios-boot partition
[12:28] <neure> should i use uefi or bios mode when for ubuntu install?
[12:28] <neure> any benefits from uefi / bios?
[12:28] <EriC^^> campitor: i think it might say for 10mib it'll make a fat16 one instead
[12:29] <campitor> swap is the last partion, would it be ok ?
[12:29] <EriC^^> neure: uefi is newer, boots 1 sec faster, and you can elegantly manage multiple bootloaders at the same time, also the implementations by ms-friendly manufacturers are horrible
[12:30] <EriC^^> campitor: yes
[12:31] <neure> EriC^^, my motherboard is from asus, is that considered ms-friendly manufacturer / horrible?
[12:31] <Cooler> does ubuntu use X11 window system?
[12:32] <Israphel> hey. Is it right that lightdm can't display a custom wallpaper with an encrypted /home ?
[12:32] <campitor> EriC^^: there is no option to set this partion to efiboot, I can only format to fat16
[12:32] <auronandace> Cooler: by default 17.10 uses gnome on wayland but you can choose X at the login screen
[12:32] <EriC^^> neure: i don't recall a lot of asus problems here, usually it can be worked around or they just have some option in the bios to make thing work peacefully
[12:33] <Cooler> auronandace: not 17, 16
[12:33] <EriC^^> campitor: fat16 should work
[12:33] <Cooler> unity?
[12:33] <auronandace> Cooler: 16.04 still uses X11
[12:33] <ducasse> Cooler: 16.* uses x11, yes
[12:33] <Cooler> is unity related to x11?
[12:33] <Cooler> is unity related to the unity game engine?
[12:34] <neure> EriC^^, sounds like I might want to try uefi then.. I do have existing windows 10 with bios but I can convert it to uefi.. before installing ubuntu
[12:34] <EriC^^> campitor: we'll set the efi flag using cgdisk
[12:34] <ioria> Israphel, copy your background image  to /usr/share/background or such
[12:34] <Israphel> ioria: roger that
[12:34] <ducasse> Cooler: unity runs on top of x11. nothing to do with the game engine.
[12:34] <Israphel> ioria: what about the ".face" avatar for each user
[12:34] <campitor> EriC^^: it doesn't allow me to creat two fat16 partitions, the last one can only be ext4 or ntfs
[12:34] <neure> X11 is still included in 17.10 as well, afaik
[12:35] <ioria> Israphel, no idea
[12:35] <v0lksman> I'm having problems creating a systemd script:  https://dpaste.de/VU5w
[12:35] <EriC^^> campitor: the first one should be 10mib and fat16, the 2nd should be 1mib without any filesystem
[12:35] <Cooler> ducasse: does gnome run on top of x11?
[12:35] <Cooler> or it replaces x11?
[12:36] <EriC^^> campitor: close gparted, and launch "sudo cgdisk /dev/sdd"
[12:36] <v0lksman> the error I get is two fold:  "Service lacks both ExecStart= and ExecStop= setting.  Refusing."
[12:36] <v0lksman> and " unknown lvalue 'description' in section 'Unit'
[12:37] <laplume333> hey saint , i cant stay on that system , i have to turn it off , if u have a clue for me and my question/matter , plz query a good direction , or TS problem pointing
[12:37] <laplume333> @  <bnicks>
[12:37] <campitor> EriC^^: ok, closed gparted without saving actions, and now I am in cgdisk
[12:37] <ducasse> Cooler: gnome runs on top of x11. in 17.10 it runs as a wayland compositor by default, but you can still run it on x11 as well.
[12:38] <laplume333> thx alot , Gl Hf
[12:38] <Cooler> well i need to share my x11 socket so i can run a gui app from a docker container
[12:38] <Cooler> how do i do that?
[12:39] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, make sure it's the usb in question, delete the swap partition at the bottom then make a new partition, hit enter for starting sector, for ending sector type +10M , for type put ef00
[12:42] <jackle> It's too luxurious to get a gui in docker!
[12:42] <campitor> EriC^^: sorry if it took some time I am new to cgdisk, done.
[12:43] <campitor> 10.0 Mib EFI System
[12:43] <campitor> * 2     10.0 Mib EFI System
[12:44] <EriC^^> campitor: great, make another partition, for end sector type +1M and for type put ef02
[12:45] <EriC^^> and the 3rd partition hit enter for ending sector and type 8200
[12:45] <yellabs> can someone say hello to me ( to see if desktop notifacations ware working)
[12:45] <campitor> WOW
[12:45] <campitor> how do you know all this EriC^^ :) ?
[12:45] <campitor> done
[12:46] <campitor> why was it not possible with gparted
[12:46] <EriC^^> no idea, anyways press "write"
[12:46] <campitor> i did
[12:47] <EriC^^> ok, quit cgdisk then type "sudo partprobe"
[12:49] <campitor> it says "Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
[12:49] <EriC^^> O.o
[12:49] <campitor> :( idk
[12:49] <EriC^^> campitor: what does "sudo parted /dev/sdd unit s print" give?
[12:49] <campitor> did i do smth wrong?
[12:51] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/vb2gz
[12:51] <EriC^^> i've no idea at this point, let's see what parted says
[12:52] <campitor> should I unmount the usb and reinsert it?
[12:53] <EriC^^> campitor: hmm, ok, exit the chroot with "exit" then type "sudo umount -R /mnt" if that goes ok then remove the usb
[12:55] <pi_> dajiahao
[12:55] <campitor> EriC^^: invalid option -R
[12:56] <EriC^^> campitor: hmm, i have it here
[12:56] <EriC^^> are you sure you typed "umount" ?
[12:56] <campitor> yes
[12:56] <campitor> I am on ubuntu 14 though
[12:56] <campitor> on my desktop i mean
[12:56] <campitor> maybe that's it
[12:56] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, type "for i in /dev/pts /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo umount /mnt$i; done"
[12:56] <EriC^^> could be
[12:57] <EriC^^> then type sudo umount /mnt
[12:58] <vincenzoml> Hi there; does anyone knows why kde apps are not showing menus in gnome-shell in ubuntu 17.10? I need to "save as" in kdenlive :)
[12:58] <campitor> EriC^^: yeah, they were mounted :) done
[12:58] <campitor> unmounted
[12:58] <campitor> should I reinsert?
[12:58] <EriC^^> campitor: cool, yes
[12:59] <campitor> done
[12:59] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, try "sudo parted -ls /dev/sdd"
[13:01] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/pa2gu
[13:02] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, the types look a little off, type sudo cgdisk /dev/sdd and highlight the 10mb one and select type then ef00 , also the last one and select 8200
[13:02] <EriC^^> campitor: actually nevermind, i think it's just a 14.04 thing
[13:03] <EriC^^> campitor: type "sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdd2"
[13:03] <campitor> EriC^^: yes, https://ghostbin.com/paste/xjvq2
[13:03] <blacknred0> so, i've been trying to install ubuntu and I think I just realized that maybe I am choosing the wrong version.... i have a celeron intel 64-bit machine with 4 cores.... do i use amd64 or i386 install?
[13:04] <blacknred0> been noticing that the amd64 images with artul are really slow
[13:04] <Ben64> amd64
[13:04] <jackle> amd64
[13:05] <EriC^^> campitor: yup, looks good
[13:05] <blacknred0> Ben64 and jackle : that's what I thought.... now, why do you think that ubuntu and xubuntu artful would run slow? it takes minutes to move the mouse.  btw - did not have any issues with ubuntu gnome xenial
[13:05] <Cooler> how do i share my x11 socket?
[13:06] <campitor> EriC^^: sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sdd2, ==> mkfs.fat 3.0.26 2014-03-07
[13:06] <Ben64> blacknred0: not going to guess
[13:06] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, type "sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt"
[13:06] <campitor> EriC^^:  ok
[13:07] <blacknred0> Ben64: :) .... man, this doesn't make any sense to me.  going to try lubuntu and see if it works. wasn't sure if all of the versions of 17.10 were shipped with wayland instead of x11
[13:07] <EriC^^> campitor: "sudo blkid; cat /mnt/etc/fstab"
[13:07] <Ben64> blacknred0: you can use xorg on artful
[13:07] <Chris_> maybe someone can help me. is it possible to mask a running service in systemd (like apport an whoospie.service) and does it take effect? is it correct that the service is still running (becuase i haven't stopped it) but no more active on next boot?
[13:08] <EriC^^> campitor: this is a little neater, "sudo blkid /dev/sdd*; cat /mnt/etc/fstab"
[13:08] <blacknred0> Ben64: would i need an alternate install to customize? when i initially install it, did not give me the option
[13:09] <Ben64> blacknred0: you can choose it at some point during boot, idk i don't run 17.10
[13:10] <aib> how do I prevent a connection's DNS servers from being communicated to systemd-resolved?
[13:11] <jackle> maybe you can try ubuntu 16.04
[13:11] <EriC^^> campitor: ?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> aib, how are the dns servers communicating with /etc/system/resolved.conf unless you have the DNS setings entered there?
[13:16] <BluesKaj>  /etc/systemd/resolved.conf rather
[13:17] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/8pcs7
[13:17] <lambic> hi, just upgraded to 17.10 and ack has disappeared, apt install ack says 'Package 'ack' has no installation candidate'
[13:18] <Southern_Gentlem> BluesKaj, dhcp
[13:18] <hateball> lambic: in 16.04 the package is called ack-grep, it seems
[13:19] <hateball> lambic: so it might be called that in 17.10 as well
[13:19] <lambic> hateball, apt install ack-grep says "Package ack-grep is a virtual package provided by: ack 2.14-5 [Not candidate version]"
[13:20] <EriC^^> campitor: we actually need the uuid's, they aren't anything personal at all
[13:20] <Ben64> lambic: what is ack for
[13:20] <campitor> :(
[13:21] <lambic> Ben64, searching code mostly, it's a grep replacement
[13:21] <campitor> EriC^^: I really can't pastebin uuids, but i will use them where they are needed
[13:21] <EriC^^> campitor: why not?
[13:21] <Ben64> lambic: ah ok, was wondering if you typo'd awk
[13:21] <campitor> EriC^^: privacy issues
[13:22] <EriC^^> campitor: ok
[13:22] <campitor> thank you
[13:22] <campitor> so should i try booting fro the flash now?
[13:22] <EriC^^> campitor: no, there's a few more steps
[13:22] <lambic> guess I'll just install from source
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Southern_Gentlem, if there's no DNS setiing in resolved dhcp won't use it afaik
[13:23] <campitor> EriC^^: ok.
[13:23] <EriC^^> campitor: get the efi's uuid and replace it in /mnt/etc/fstab in the /boot/efi line
[13:23] <mintle> hello
[13:23] <EriC^^> also get the swap's uuid from /mnt/etc/fstab and run sudo mkswap -U <uuid here> /dev/sdd4
[13:25] <campitor> EriC^^: they are exactly the same
[13:25] <EriC^^> campitor: that's impossible
[13:28] <Gnomethrower> campitor: enough exposure to Linux tends to teach you this stuff :)
[13:28] <EriC^^> campitor: this is becoming unnecessarily difficult.. i'd rather you pasted the output as requested
[13:29] <campitor> EriC^^: you mean I should replace that line in fstab with what sudo blkid /dev/sdd* is giving me for /dev/sdd2: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID=TTTTT" TYPE=vfat" ?
[13:29] <EriC^^> campitor: yeah
[13:29] <campitor> ok
[13:34] <campitor> EriC^^:  should uuid be inside <> in sudo mkswap -U <uuid here> /dev/sdd4? or just the uuid alone?
[13:34] <EriC^^> campitor: just the uuid
[13:34] <untoreh> why networkmanager adds <IP_ADDRESS> to resolv.conf? is it because of dnsmasq?
[13:35] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/3w6qg
[13:36] <campitor> EriC^^: is that done ok?
[13:36] <brian-ubuntu> Morning everyone.  Is there an area to discuss technical problems?
[13:36] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: this is it
[13:36] <campitor> brian-ubuntu: morning
[13:37] <campitor> brian-ubuntu: you came to the core of technicality in my opinion
[13:37] <brian-ubuntu> I've got quite the issue right now. let me explain this mess.
[13:37] <campitor> brian-ubuntu: I mean this is the place
[13:37] <campitor> EriC^^: should I try it now? or am I being hasty?
[13:38] <campitor> EriC^^: Also we don't seem to have put anything in that bios partition that 1mib thingie
[13:39] <brian-ubuntu> I had a headless Ubuntu server sitting in the back room for a long time.  I ssh'd to it and it had 230 updates waiting, so I went ahead and apt-get update'd them.  that ended up failing because /boot was full, and I noticed that I had 14 kernels installed...  I went to give it a restart and now it does not boot outside of one kernel in recovery mode.
[13:39] <brian-ubuntu> That's the high level gist of what I've got going on right now.
[13:40] <brian-ubuntu> What would be the safest way to proceed? I've dropped into a root shell from recovery mode, in the only kernel that runs
[13:41] <campitor> gonna give it a try till EriC^^ returns
[13:41] <EriC^^> campitor: not yet
[13:41] <EriC^^> campitor: if you're not going to follow instructions i'm not going to help further
[13:41] <campitor> ok
[13:41] <campitor> i have followed exactly as you have told me
[13:41] <EriC^^> it's taking way too long and becoming way too complicated over nothing
[13:42] <campitor> nothing more or less, unless there were some private info being publicized
[13:42] <campitor> i know
[13:42] <EriC^^> stop trying to obscure info every step of the way, uuid is not private nor his hdd model
[13:42] <campitor> sorry about that
[13:42] <campitor> ok
[13:42] <campitor> sorry
[13:42] <EriC^^> ok, no worries
[13:42] <EriC^^> campitor: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[13:43] <EriC^^> then type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[13:44] <brian-ubuntu> is it safe to manually remove things from /boot?
[13:44] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: remove some of the kernels manually, then run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[13:44] <leftyfb> brian-ubuntu: boot with a live cd/usb, temporarily move some the older kernel files out of /boot. Then do what EriC^^ just posted about to chroot into your drive, including boot. Then sudo reinstall grub to your drive
[13:44] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: then "apt-get autoremove --purge"
[13:44] <campitor> EriC^^: done
[13:44] <brian-ubuntu> Okay, i'll see if I can move some older kernels out into a backup location right now and get back to you shortly.
[13:45] <EriC^^> campitor: type "mount -a"
[13:45] <campitor> ok
[13:45] <brian-ubuntu> Ah, you can't move stuff in recovery mode?
[13:45] <EriC^^> campitor: type "lsblk" you should see the efi partition mounted under /boot/efi and possibly a [swap]
[13:46] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: mount -o remount,rw /
[13:46] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: deleting them is fine, no need to move
[13:47] <EriC^^> just make sure to remove the linux-image package related to them afterwards
[13:47] <campitor> EriC^^: yes: sdd2 8:50 1 10M 0 part /boot/efi
[13:47] <brian-ubuntu> Thank you very much Eric!
[13:47] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: no problem
[13:47] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, try "swapon -a" to test the swap
[13:48] <campitor> EriC^^: done, no errors
[13:48] <brian-ubuntu> Looks like /boot is only showing grub right now in recovery mode.  Are the kernels in a different location? I'm not sure if you responded to that already and I apologize if you did.
[13:49] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, type "grub-install --removable"
[13:50] <campitor> it installed on the usb, "installating for xx86_64-efi platform. installation finished. No error reported."
[13:50] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: maybe /boot isn't mounted, try "mount -a"
[13:51] <EriC^^> campitor: try "ls -lR /boot/efi" do you see a grubx64.efi there under /boot/efi/efi/boot ?
[13:52] <EriC^^> sorry it might be called bootx64.efi
[13:52] <brian-ubuntu> I get failed unmount /boot but then later on I get unmounted /boot
[13:52] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/jo329
[13:53] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: do you have networking enabled in the recovery mode?
[13:53] <brian-ubuntu> i do not.
[13:53] <brian-ubuntu> should I have enabled that?
[13:54] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: please do
[13:54] <brian-ubuntu> okay, started successfully.
[13:54] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: ok, type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:55] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, it looks good, run "update-grub"
[13:55] <campitor> on chroot? or my desktop terminal?
[13:55] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: paste the link it gives you here
[13:55] <EriC^^> campitor: in the chroot
[13:55] <brian-ubuntu> http://termbin.com/6e1p
[13:56] <campitor> EriC^^: done
[13:56] <brian-ubuntu> ignore the strange filesystem name.
[13:56] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: ok, type "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:57] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/e72nt
[13:57] <brian-ubuntu> http://termbin.com/ygv8
[13:57] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, the usb should be bootable in uefi mode now, we can try the idea of installing grub legacy to the bios-boot partition now
[13:58] <brian-ubuntu> according to that, boot is definitely not mounted.
[13:58] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: yup, try "mount /boot"
[13:58] <campitor> EriC^^: Which one you think is best to do now? try uefi or install legacy?
[13:58] <EriC^^> campitor: well we're trying both
[13:58] <campitor> EriC^^: true
[13:58] <EriC^^> if i had to choose one, i'd say legacy for a standalone usb cause it's more common i guess
[13:59] <brian-ubuntu> it tells me it successfully unmounted /boot, but then just sits there. It doesn't seem to remount it.
[13:59] <brian-ubuntu> I get a timeout
[13:59] <EriC^^> campitor: anyways, let's see if we can use grub-install to install to the bios-boot
[13:59] <campitor> EriC^^: yes. So if you have time i would be thankful if you could tell me how to install legacy too.
[13:59] <campitor> EriC^^:  alright
[14:00] <Dreaman> 1
[14:00] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: does "mount /dev/sda2 /boot" work?
[14:00] <brian-ubuntu> Same deal, just hangs.
[14:01] <EriC^^> campitor: try "grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdd"
[14:01] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: do you have a live usb?
[14:02] <brian-ubuntu> i do not, I'm not sure i have a USB handy
[14:03] <campitor> EriC^^: https://ghostbin.com/paste/jnppw
[14:04] <EriC^^> campitor: apt-get purge "grub*"
[14:05] <campitor> EriC^^: in chroot?
[14:06] <EriC^^> campitor: yup
[14:06] <campitor> done
[14:06] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: maybe try recovery mode again in case it's a fluke?
[14:07] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: if you have a linux iso on another hdd you could boot it from grub as a live session
[14:07] <EriC^^> campitor: apt-get install grub-pc
[14:07] <tokam> paste.ubuntu.com
[14:07] <tokam> what is this????
[14:07] <tokam> PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed
[14:07] <tokam> :D
[14:07] <campitor> EriC^^: oh the old trick :)
[14:07] <brian-ubuntu> i'll attempt to boot into recovery again. In the mean time, i'm currently downloading the iso.
[14:08] <EriC^^> campitor: :)
[14:08] <campitor> done
[14:08] <brian-ubuntu> thank you again for all the help so far.
[14:08] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: no worries
[14:08] <LightAmaze> brian-ubuntu: did you ever find a USB drive you could put live on?
[14:08] <EriC^^> campitor: try "grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdd"
[14:09] <brian-ubuntu> I found an 8gb usb 1.0 flash drive.
[14:09] <LightAmaze> that should do
[14:10] <campitor> EriC^^: :) beautifully done no errors reported
[14:10] <EriC^^> campitor: nice
[14:10] <freakyy> its still had for me to decide - ubuntu or kubuntu ... in ubuntu everything is so neat ... and yeah ...but kde has more features and also looks good. god help ;D
[14:10] <campitor> you are amazing EriC^^
[14:10] <brian-ubuntu> oooh, definitely a fluke.  /boot is loaded
[14:10] <brian-ubuntu> and i can see all 14 kernels....
[14:11] <campitor> EriC^^: do you have all this memorized?
[14:11] <LightAmaze> freakyy: kubuntu is better looking imo :)
[14:11] <EriC^^> campitor: just as a confirmation, type "sudo hexdump -C /dev/sdd3"
[14:11] <campitor> alright
[14:11] <EriC^^> campitor: it should say something eatereggy like "we dont need efi" or something
[14:11] <brian-ubuntu> http://termbin.com/ibvrn
[14:11] <campitor> LOL
[14:11] <campitor> ok
[14:11] <EriC^^> :D
[14:12] <campitor> thank you EriC^^ seriously man
[14:13] <EriC^^> campitor: no problem
[14:13] <brian-ubuntu> this is what my boot directory looks like http://termbin.com/5wgbl
[14:13] <freakyy> LightAmaze really? hm ... i dont know ... ill switch to ubuntu now use that for a while
[14:13] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, now remove grub-pc with apt-get remove grub-pc and reinstall grub-efi with apt-get install grub-efi-amd64-signed
[14:13] <freakyy> brb
[14:14] <tokam> sorry changed and improved it
[14:14] <tokam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25817105/
[14:14] <LightAmaze> freakyy: you can modify the themes on either one, so they're both good options
[14:14] <z0ne> hello
[14:14] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: remove some of the old initrd
[14:15] <campitor> EriC^^: can't i do it after I boot it up?
[14:15] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: which one still boots? try uname -r
[14:15] <EriC^^> campitor: better now, grub is in the bios-boot now it won't get removed
[14:15] <campitor> ok
[14:15] <brian-ubuntu> EriC^^: 36-generic
[14:16] <Hejkki> hello, what is the current tool for configuring gnome? Is it dconf-editor?
[14:16] <Hejkki> in ubuntu 17.10
[14:16] <campitor> done
[14:16] <brian-ubuntu> still boots into recovery mode
[14:17] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: how much space is in /boot now?
[14:17] <faqeer> hi
[14:17] <brian-ubuntu> which one should I delete?
[14:17] <faqeer> im logging on to my AWS ubuntu server and i get this right after I SSH http://vpaste.net/fiifR
[14:17] <brian-ubuntu> the newer ones?
[14:17] <faqeer> freaky
[14:17] <EriC^^> campitor: ok, type exit in the chroot and try reboot and see how it goes
[14:18] <brian-ubuntu> i'll delete 21, 28, and 31
[14:18] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: yeah, then run dpkg --configure -a
[14:18] <freakyy> ok i guess ill stick with ubuntu
[14:18] <freakyy> let me change ... plymouth theme, login manager etc.
[14:18] <campitor> just a sec
[14:18] <zarzar> does ubuntu really use dash and no bash?
[14:19] <brian-ubuntu> okay running it
[14:19] <zarzar> nevermind, surprising though
[14:19] <brian-ubuntu> it's generating the new one i see.
[14:20] <LightAmaze> that makes me think: how little resources could you get away with running a DE on Xenial?
[14:20] <brian-ubuntu> after all of this, can i remove all the otherkernels?
[14:21] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: yeah, run apt-get autoremove --purge it should leave you with just 2
[14:21] <brian-ubuntu> the dpkg command is still running. it's generating initrd.imgs for all the old kernels
[14:22] <Dreaman> sudo su
[14:22] <leftyfb> zarzar: Ubuntu runs bash by default, not dash
[14:22] <Dreaman> pass
[14:22] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: damn
[14:22] <Dreaman> apt autocleatn
[14:22] <Dreaman> apt autoremove
[14:22] <leftyfb> faqeer: check your ~/.bashrc
[14:22] <Dreaman> apt-get old versions
[14:23] <brian-ubuntu> is it just going to fill up again??
[14:23] <brian-ubuntu> it's regenerating the ones i deleted
[14:23] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: i think so, some other package probably prompted a new initrd
[14:23] <zarzar> leftyfb: changed in 16 i think, to dash, my 16LTS is using dash for /bin/sh/
[14:23] <brian-ubuntu> yeah it failed again.
[14:23] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: delete the kernels instead and run dpkg --configure -a
[14:23] <campitor> EriC^^: ok oing to restart
[14:24] <EriC^^> then apt-get autoremove --purge to get rid of the old ones
[14:24] <brian-ubuntu> kernels?
[14:24] <leftyfb> zarzar: my 16.04.3 on many machines are all using bash, not dash.
[14:24] <brian-ubuntu> which file is the kernel, i'm sorry
[14:24] <EriC^^> campitor: ok! :D
[14:24] <leftyfb> zarzar: and older version of ubuntu used dash ... maybe you upgraded from there?
[14:24] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: the ones with vmlinuz
[14:24] <zarzar> leftyfb: strange, not sure why mine is dash
[14:24] <faqeer> leftyfb: ah crap could it be because of memory?
[14:25] <faqeer> leftyfb: when it try to run scripts, it gives me fork errors
[14:25] <zarzar> leftyfb: no idea
[14:25] <campitor> Awesome, legacy works great, plasma came up, let's check efi
[14:25] <brian-ubuntu> okay removed the vmlinuz ones.
[14:25] <brian-ubuntu> rerunning dpkg
[14:25] <zarzar> leftyfb: no worries
[14:25] <leftyfb> faqeer: contact AWS
[14:26] <EriC^^> campitor: nice!
[14:26] <faqeer> leftyfb: I've used 14859 out of the 16046 I have... so 176 memory left
[14:26] <brian-ubuntu> how in the world did I end up with so many kernels?
[14:26] <faqeer> i think clearly that's somehow related
[14:27] <leftyfb> faqeer: ok, so maybe free up some memory to see it if resolves? Maybe reboot?
[14:27] <campitor> sweet, legacy and efi both work great. efi is super fast though. like 2 seconds till my plasma-lxqt login comes up.
[14:27] <faqeer> leftyfb: yeah good point
[14:27] <EriC^^> campitor: awesome
[14:28] <Hejkki> Hey, how do i install radeon drivers to ubuntu 17.10 / wayland ?
[14:28] <Hejkki> there is no rpm
[14:28] <Hejkki> on amd.com
[14:28] <campitor> thank you EriC^^ , should check for firmwares for this pc as well? and if for example i install the nvidia drivers, will this usb still work on my laptop as well?
[14:28] <Southern_Gentlem> on ubuntu why would you want a rpm?
[14:29] <ghost_> hex my men hex
[14:29] <campitor> or do i have to remove it for my laptop?
[14:29] <Hejkki> oh sorry, deb
[14:29] <brian-ubuntu> it still installed some of the previous kernels and failed.
[14:29] <brian-ubuntu> can I remove future kernels between my version and the latest?
[14:29] <oerheks> what makes you think radeon is not loaded by default? or amdgpu
[14:29] <smr> eeeee
[14:29] <Hejkki> there is no .deb for radeon for 17.10 ubuntu
[14:30] <Hejkki> oerheks: seems like videos not working well, and i dont know... how will i see if i have radeon driver?
[14:30] <EriC^^> campitor: i think it's fine to install the nvidia drivers and other firmware
[14:30] <oerheks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[14:30] <EriC^^> when it needs the stuff it'll load them up
[14:31] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: yes
[14:31] <Hejkki> Kernel driver in use: radeon :OO The nwhy does it work like VESA driver, as badly?
[14:31] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: try to force remove the packages using dpkg
[14:31] <Hejkki> when i watch videos, the frame rate is like low, i can see it with my etes, it is not good
[14:32] <Hejkki> in ubuntu 16.04 worked fine
[14:32] <Hejkki> with cxorg
[14:32] <Hejkki> -c
[14:32] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: try sudo dpkg --force-all -P linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic
[14:33] <brian-ubuntu> what does that do?
[14:33] <brian-ubuntu> remove it?
[14:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:34] <Hejkki> "Nvidia users are also likely to suffer a degraded experience"  when speaking of wayland instead of xorg
[14:34] <Hejkki> :(
[14:34] <brian-ubuntu> okay
[14:35] <brian-ubuntu> retry it now?
[14:35] <Hejkki> with older devices
[14:35] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: did it work?
[14:35] <brian-ubuntu> yeah looks like it
[14:35] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: lets remove a few others too
[14:35] <brian-ubuntu> oh woops okay.
[14:35] <brian-ubuntu> i was a little too eager.
[14:36] <Hejkki> is radeon HD 7420G that old already...? :(
[14:36] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: it might be enough you can leave it to run
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Hejkki, nvidia support for wayland is nonexistent at, ,but their devs have been assigned to work on it afaik so we're stuck with nouveau on wayland unless you decide to use X11
[14:37] <Hejkki> so what can i do? Should i remove wayland and use xorg instead?
[14:37] <Hejkki> :)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> at=atm
[14:38] <Southern_Gentlem> Hejkki, you should be able to use gnome on X selecting on the login screen
[14:38] <Hejkki> i do not have a login sreen, i have auto login :> Can i select it somewhere else?
[14:39] <brian-ubuntu> oh hey! i think it finished!
[14:39] <brian-ubuntu> should i reboot?
[14:39] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: sure give it a shot
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Hejkki,  https://itsfoss.com/switch-xorg-wayland/
[14:40] <freakyy> hi all. ive installed kubuntu for testing and nosw switched back to ubuntu, though my owncloud now wants to access the kdewallet . is there any way i can stop that?
[14:40] <Hejkki> nice, thanks, BluesKaj
[14:40] <oerheks> Hejkki, auto login does not matter, you can logout and switch
[14:41] <brian-ubuntu> no luck. it booted to 97 without the kernel panic though which is nice. let me try recovery mode on the latest
[14:43] <brian-ubuntu> hm i'm just stuck at this black screen. it skips the grub menu right now
[14:43] <brian-ubuntu> black screen with the line indicator in the top left
[14:44] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: try holding shift
[14:44] <EriC^^> after the pc turns on
[14:44] <z0ne_> hello
[14:45] <Hejkki> how do i see what xorg graphics[C -driver i am using?
[14:45] <Hejkki> umm
[14:46] <brian-ubuntu> shift doesn't so anything i don't believe. i'm holding it the entire time it restarts.
[14:47] <brian-ubuntu> ooh never mind it does.
[14:47] <brian-ubuntu> must have held it somehow incorrectly.
[14:48] <nOsKilleX> eq meus meninos
[14:48] <newlinux> hi guys i am unable to run a node server in an aws instance through putty gen
[14:48] <newlinux> when i close the putty gen, the server gets terminated
[14:49] <brian-ubuntu> okay. i'm in recovery mode of 97-generic now. what should I look at?
[14:49] <newlinux> how will people let that server run forever
[14:50] <brian-ubuntu> going to run that apt-get autoremove --purge
[14:52] <brian-ubuntu> i get this and it suggests using -f, is that alright? http://termbin.com/ohkqr
[14:53] <BluesKaj> brian-ubuntu, run apt or apt-get autoremove  periodically and since 16.04 it should show the option of removing old unusable kernels
[14:54] <brian-ubuntu> hey Blues, i'm at this point because I had 14 kernels installed and my /boot was just filled. i'm currently in recovery mode after deleting a ton of the existing kernels
[14:54] <Hejkki> i'm trying to do as described here, software&updates... but there is no list that shows anything about nvidia.   https://askubuntu.com/questions/968059/ubuntu-17-10-how-to-install-the-proprietary-nvidia-drivers
[14:54] <brian-ubuntu> is it safe to run -f from here?
[14:54] <Toadisattva> kinda random question, what really is the difference between apt/aptitude/apt-get?
[14:55] <Toadisattva> all seem to pretty well have the same effect
[14:55] <brian-ubuntu> running it with the -f.
[14:56] <definitelynotjq> So my ntp won't stay working. On xenial, is this a known issue
[14:56] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: try to remove the linux-image-extra packages
[14:56] <EriC^^> using dpkg
[14:56] <xixi> hi
[14:57] <brian-ubuntu> okay, the autoremove --purge -f is still running right now.
[14:57] <xixi> where are you
[14:57] <EriC^^> ok
[14:57] <xixi> China ?
[14:57] <brian-ubuntu> okay, it finished.
[14:58] <xixi> by
[14:58] <brian-ubuntu> my /boot is still almost filled and most of the kernels are still there.
[14:58] <Hejkki> why do you have a separate /boot ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Hejkki, scroll down to "14.04 and above" here, https://askubuntu.com/questions/22118/can-i-install-extra-drivers-via-the-command-prompt
[14:58] <Hejkki> BluesKaj: thanks
[15:00] <EriC^^> brian-ubuntu: try sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra-4.4.0-22-generic
[15:01] <Hejkki> BluesKaj: it only lists amd64-microcode
[15:01] <brian-ubuntu> i really don't understand this what so ever.
[15:02] <brian-ubuntu> i ran that and it removed it, and then regenerated 22-generic
[15:02] <brian-ubuntu> i ran that and it removed it, and then it regenerated 22-generic
[15:03] <brian-ubuntu> but boot is a little smaller. we're at 87% used
[15:04] <BluesKaj> Hejkki, ok , go to the nvidia site, find the number for your gpu linux dtiver, install dkms, the run sudo apt install ncidia-3XX , XX being the last 2 numbers for the correct driver
[15:05] <pavlos> you could use "sudo apt autoremove" now that you have some room
[15:05] <BluesKaj> nvidia-3XX rather
[15:05] <Hejkki> :) Thanks again
[15:06] <BluesKaj> wish ubuntu had a driver manager like kde/plasma does
[15:07] <brian-ubuntu> dpkg -list | grep linux-image gives me this http://termbin.com/fhe3
[15:08] <john_rambo> I am getting this while starting a Vbox machine >>> https://paste2.org/gZkDZVeM ....Any ideas ?
[15:08] <pavlos> definitelynotjq: can you pastebin the output of timedatectl ?
[15:08] <definitelynotjq> pavlos: I decided to check ntpdate -q ntp.ubuntu.com and found "no server suitable for synchronization found"
[15:09] <definitelynotjq> I believe NTP was disabled by my datacenter potentially when we were being DDOS'd
[15:09] <definitelynotjq> Just contacted them
[15:10] <pavlos> john_rambo: virtualization flag it turned off at the BIOS
[15:11] <john_rambo> pavlos: Is my CPU capable ? How to check ?
[15:12] <pavlos> john_rambo: go to your BIOS to find that flag. cat /proc/cpuinfo will give you the flags of the cpu
[15:13] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: you could purge those kernels that have rc in the beginning of the line
[15:14] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: what does the rc stand for?
[15:15] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: Remove Config files ... see  https://askubuntu.com/questions/18804/what-do-the-various-dpkg-flags-like-ii-rc-mean
[15:16] <Hejkki> uff, i feel so newbie after using linux for about 20 years :> http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html my device is not listed, how will i see the 0x____ number of my device?
[15:17] <Hejkki> the Device PCI ID
[15:18] <hentai8> can anyone direct me where to get help with samba on ubuntu?
[15:18] <hentai8> or help me
[15:18] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: apt-get purge <those files> ?
[15:19] <theseb> how PREVENT iphone icons from appearing on desktop when charge phone?
[15:19] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: yes, one at a time, you may need sudo
[15:20] <Hejkki> lspci -nn is showing me something like 1234:1234 not 0x1234
[15:21] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: I use, sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-38-generic
[15:21] <akik> Hejkki: lspci -vnnk for me shows the device id
[15:21] <genii> Hejkki: Yes, the 1234:5678 is Vendor ID: Device ID
[15:22] <akik> Hejkki: NVIDIA Corporation G86M [Quadro NVS 135M] [
[15:22] <akik> 10de:042b]
[15:22] <renergy> anybody got google earth running? after clean install of google-chrome-stable, I am stuck at "Loading in progress"
[15:22] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: then the -extra- as well
[15:22] <renergy> after going to earth.google.com
[15:23] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: alright, removed all those rc's. what about the kernels? can I remove a few of those?
[15:24] <brian-ubuntu> http://termbin.com/ar4s
[15:24] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: you could remove the old ones so you have room in /boot
[15:24] <Hejkki> akik: yes, but i need the  0x1234 formeat
[15:24] <Hejkki> not the 1234:1234
[15:24] <Hejkki> or is it the same :>
[15:25] <brian-ubuntu> how do I remove those?
[15:25] <akik> Hejkki: yes it's 0x042b for me
[15:25] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: is it just purge <those extra kernels> too?
[15:25] <Hejkki> akik: ok thanks
[15:26] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: same command, sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic
[15:26] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: 22 does not have an -extra- module but 24,28 have
[15:27] <Hejkki> lol, seems like i need some sleep... i was searching radeon drivers from nvidia.com :>>>>>: :)
[15:27] <Hejkki> geforce is not radeon
[15:27] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: now that you have room in /boot, sudo apt-get autoremove will handle old kernels
[15:28] <akik> Hejkki: congrats :)
[15:29] <Hejkki> :D
[15:29] <brian-ubuntu> when I go to do dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic it tells me i have unmet dependencies with a package called linux-signed-image-4.4.0-22-generic
[15:29] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: should I remove that dependency first?
[15:29] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: try sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:30] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: i think i've tried this one before. it just tells me there's nothing to do
[15:31] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: ok, remove that linux-signed-image so 22 is gone
[15:31] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: with dpkg or with apt-get purge?
[15:31] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: either
[15:32] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: okay removing them 1 and a time worked. no to 24
[15:33] <Hejkki> how to see what display driver is xorg currently using? Vesa / radeon ....?
[15:33] <codepython777> I am getting a bunch of errors on my i7:  BUG: Bag rss=counter state mm:xxxxxxxx idx:1 val:-2
[15:34] <codepython777> Another one: swap_free: Bad swap offset entry
[15:34] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: what does uname -r say?
[15:35] <brian-ubuntu> 97-generic
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Hejkki, glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[15:35] <nacc> codepython777: what kernel?
[15:35] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: can you paste ls -l /boot
[15:35] <codepython777> nacc: not sure - ubuntu 16.04.3 latest
[15:35] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: okay, we have 31, 34, 36, 62, and 97 left.
[15:35] <codepython777> its not booting up
[15:36] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: ssh isn't starting on my server for some reason, so let me make one of those termbins
[15:36] <Hejkki> AMD ARUBA (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-16-generic, LLVM 5.0.0
[15:36] <nacc> codepython777: those are relatively signnificant kernel errors. Unnlikely to just be happenig all of a sudden except for 1) hardware failure or 2) non-standard kernel
[15:37] <codepython777> nacc: it rebooted !
[15:37] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: http://termbin.com/17jl
[15:37] <tony1> Hejkki: sudo lshw -c video
[15:38] <Hejkki> So why is ubuntu 17.10 a lot slower in wayland or xorg, than ubuntu 16.04 ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Hejkki, did you reboot since installing the nvidisc driver
[15:38] <Hejkki> tony1: Trinity [Radeon HD 7420G]
[15:38] <Hejkki> it is not nvidia, it is radeon
[15:38] <codepython777> nacc: dmesg does not show anything significant this time. I updated BIOS on two machines. One booted up fine, this is the other one
[15:38] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[15:38] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: you could clean up /boot manually, as you see there are 5 groups of files per kernel
[15:38] <Hejkki> sorry :D
[15:38] <codepython777> nacc: how does one get back those errors?
[15:38] <Hejkki> too much work
[15:39] <akik> Hejkki: blacknred0 was describing the same situation earlier (he had celeron quad core)
[15:39] <tony1> Hejkki: sudo lshw -c video|grep driver
[15:39] <tony1> that will show the driver
[15:41] <Hejkki> ton	       configuración: driver=radeon latency=0
[15:41] <Hejkki> tony1: ^
[15:41] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: you have some extra initrd images (21,31,51)
[15:41] <nacc> codepython777: if it's configured for it, there migth be /var/log/dmesg.1 etc. but if it crashed, it's unlikely to have written the logs
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Hejkki, my mistake , thought you were on nvidia
[15:42] <Hejkki> okay :D
[15:42] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: yup just deleted those. i'm down to 3 kernels thankfully. let me restart my ubuntu and see if it boots correctly.
[15:42] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu:ok
[15:42] <RR_> Hello, Can someone help me?
[15:42] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: this all started this morning when a apt-get update failed and my machine wouldn't restart.
[15:42] <tony1> Hejkki: so the driver you are using is the radeon kernal module
[15:42] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: it should boot the 97 kernel
[15:43] <jer> tony1, s/kernal/kernel/
[15:43] <kostkon> RR_, no, because we don't know your problem
[15:43] <tony1> Hejkki: modinfo radeon
[15:43] <tony1> that will give you more info
[15:43] <pavlos> RR_: please ask youq question
[15:43] <nacc> !ask | RR_
[15:43] <codepython777> nacc: if it happened once - you think it could be hardware issues? I am not sure I can depend on the machine now...
[15:44] <Hejkki> tony1: do i need something else?
[15:44] <Hejkki> okok, a bit lag here.... with irssi
[15:44] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: it did once. let me just keep retrying it.
[15:44] <RR_> Thanks.  I am really new to this. So please excuse me for my ignorance.
[15:44] <nacc> codepython777: seems like most likely its the firmware update you did?
[15:44] <tony1> no I was just answering your question about how to see what driver you are using
[15:45] <blacknred0> Hejkki: i don't know if this is the solution, but i'm going to attempt this -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/961304/how-do-you-switch-from-wayland-back-to-xorg-in-ubuntu-17-10
[15:45] <codepython777> nacc: but that did not create trouble on another machine with same config. Also, it does not occur again on the same machine? - wierd bug?
[15:45] <nacc> codepython777: i don't know
[15:45] <RR_> I have an old laptop HP, originally had VISTA and now only ubuntu 17.04 version.  It is a 32 bit machine. Can I run ubuntu17.04 on a 32bit machine?
[15:46] <kostkon> RR_, you sure can
[15:46] <blacknred0> Hejkki: i'm experiencing crazy amount of slowness in every distro in 17.10 (ubuntu, xubuntu, and lubuntu)
[15:46] <Hejkki> blacknred0: i have xorg already
[15:46] <blacknred0> Hejkki: k
[15:46] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: if /boot was full, update could fail ... df -h /boot will give you the use%
[15:46] <Hejkki> switched to xorg a while ago
[15:46] <blacknred0> Hejkki: is it any faster?
[15:46] <Hejkki> blacknred0: not for me :(
[15:47] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: that;s exactyl what happened
[15:47] <codepython777> nacc: thanks
[15:47] <Hejkki> the mouse is also hanging sometimes for a second
[15:47] <RR_> Thanks.  The wireless on the laptop seemed to be not working. So I bought a a new wireless adapter from some brand called abgnac.  It says 5.8GHz+2.4GHz
[15:47] <blacknred0> Hejkki: were you migrating from ubuntu-desktop i take it?
[15:47] <blacknred0> yep, i am experiencing the same issue.
[15:47] <Hejkki> blacknred0: a fresh install
[15:47] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: okay, i'm in maintenance mode again i guess.  what can I check?
[15:48] <blacknred0> mine is minutes... even keyboard input
[15:48] <blacknred0> ah!
[15:48] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: so it did not boot clean to 97 ?
[15:48] <Hejkki> keyboard input also here! Sometimes repeats the key i press just once
[15:48] <brian-ubuntu> i guess not. it literally randomly booted successfully to it before,
[15:48] <RR_> It has a small disk and copied all the files for linux into my machine. When I tried to install  the driver, it gives me some error messages.
[15:49] <RR_> Not knowing whom to ask, I have come here. Thanks for your help.
[15:49] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: can you do update/upgrade ?
[15:49] <blacknred0> Hejkki: same here... now, I'm glad that I am not the only one :)
[15:49] <Hejkki> blacknred0: same here :DD
[15:49] <blacknred0> i got to the point that i thought it was the usb drive halting on me
[15:49] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: sudo apt update should be clean, if not use the -f flag
[15:50] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: apt update says 12 packages cab ne upgraded
[15:50] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: ok, sudo apt upgrade
[15:51] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: looks like some perl and python packages.
[15:51] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: updated successfully
[15:52] <tony1> Hejkki: i just scrolled up and I don't think wayland is supported with the radeon card. I don't have that option either. org is fine for me.
[15:52] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: reboot again
[15:52] <brian-ubuntu> apt-update shows i'm all up to date
[15:52] <tony1> Hejkki: I think wayland gets disabled when it sees that driver.
[15:52] <Hejkki> tony1: but xorg is running slow also
[15:53] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: uh hm.... it booted i guess? it booted to unity/gnome. i didn't even know I had that installed
[15:53] <akik> Hejkki: there was a bug report about mouse lag
[15:53] <Hejkki> :)
[15:53] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: check df -h /boot, uname -r ... you should be good now
[15:54] <tony1> Hejkki: I had trouble doing the upgrade and a fresh install fixed a ton of issues I was having and I now have an error free system.
[15:54] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: if you install server, there should be no gui
[15:54] <akik> Hejkki: but this was on wayland only probably https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745032
[15:54] <pavlos> installed*
[15:54] <Hejkki> tony1: i have a fresh install
[15:54] <Hejkki> akik: ok
[15:55] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: boot's got much more room now. is it possible to just uninstall unity?
[15:55] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: not sure, there could be dependencies
[15:55] <Hejkki> i'll have to look on this case later... have to do something else now.... see ya!
[16:06] <RR_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25817798/
[16:06] <brian-ubuntu> pavlos: thank you very much for the help btw. i think i'm getting back to a point where I have some grasp of what's going on
[16:07] <brian-ubuntu> ssh is working again at least lol
[16:07] <pavlos> brian-ubuntu: np
[16:09] <brian-ubuntu> Entirely separate question. can I use an ssh key to login auto login as root?
[16:11] <leftyfb> brian-ubuntu: yes. But why?
[16:12] <LiENUS> so i just upgraded from 17.04 to 17.10 and i still have a bunch of unity packages, is it safe to go ahead and purge all of those?
[16:12] <brian-ubuntu> leftyfb: why is a good question.  i guess i don't have to
[16:12] <blahblah100> hello
[16:13] <EriC^^> hi
[16:13] <blahblah100> really new to irc
[16:13] <blahblah100> i kind of noticed that the ip addresses are not masked in here.
[16:13] <EriC^^> uh huh
[16:13] <leftyfb> blahblah100: is there an Ubuntu support question we can help you with?
[16:14] <Inferno_geek> brian-ubuntu: You can, but I would rather NOT TO DO IT due to serious security issues. You should uncomment the line "AllowRootLogin=true" in ssh configuration file.
[16:15] <LiENUS> Inferno_geek, isnt there an option to allow root certificates but not passwords? that would be preferable to uncommenting allowrootlogin
[16:15] <leftyfb> yes
[16:15] <Southern_Gentlem> LiENUS, still allowing root login of any form is a huge scurity hole
[16:15] <Inferno_geek> Root login is disallowed.
[16:16] <leftyfb> PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
[16:16] <Southern_Gentlem> security hole
[16:16] <LiENUS> Southern_Gentlem, i wasnt disputing that, but if you're gonna open it its better to open the smallest hole possible
[16:16] <leftyfb> LiENUS: ^
[16:16] <Southern_Gentlem> better to ssh as a user and sudo
[16:18] <codepython777> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25817889/ - Everytime my machine boots, I see this  - anyone knows how to fix this?
[16:22] <bcowan> codepython777: try maybe sudo apt install —reinstall tracker
[16:22] <codepython777> bcowan: thanks
[16:22] <kostkon> codepython777, any long lasting effects?
[16:23] <vanek> good evening
[16:23] <vanek> what would be a way to get a driver on linux for Alcor Micro Device 6621 ?
[16:23] <kostkon> codepython777, is it restarting after the crash?  ps -A | grep -i tracker  maybe?
[16:23] <codepython777> kostkon: it just puts things in /var/crash/*
[16:23] <codepython777> nothing else i can see
[16:25] <codepython777> k - reinstalled tracker
[16:25] <codepython777> kostkon: 4 proceses on grep
[16:25] <kostkon> codepython777, ok
[16:33] <Hathadar> netstat is not installed by default in ubuntu.  Is there a preferred program to use instead or am I expected to install netstat?
[16:35] <mutante> Hathadar: apt-get install net-tools
[16:35] <mutante> Hathadar: that package includes several tools, one of them is netstat
[16:36] <Hathadar> Ok, but I am wanting to know if there is a default installed that accomplishes what netstat does.  It seems like netstat should be installed by default as an essential linux program. Because it is not leads me to believe that ubuntu has a default alternative installed.
[16:41] <bcowan> Hathadar: try ss
[16:45] <campitor> EriC^^: are you still here?
[16:46] <campitor> EriC^^: do you have a webpage or a link to the stuff we did tonight to make the usb bootable?
[16:47] <Jordy> I've got an old machine here with 5GB, ubuntu runs pretty slow on it, is there a way to use the server ubuntu to output hdmi for like kodi without having the desktop graphics?
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[16:49] <Israphel> o what the hell!
[16:49] <dave4925> jesus fuck
[16:49] <NwS>  /clapclap
[16:49] <Jordy> ugh
[16:49] <digitalfiz> lol this is a thing that still happens?
[16:49] <sylario> srsly
[16:49] <dave4925> wooo
[16:49] <jerichowasahoax> i'm only here to confirm my humanity
[16:49] <Jordy> As I asked before the spam
[16:49] <Jordy> I've got an old machine here with 5GB, ubuntu runs pretty slow on it, is there a way to use the server ubuntu to output hdmi for like kodi without having the desktop graphics?
[16:49] <tgm4883> some people's children
[16:49] <leftyfb> there's always idiots
[16:49] <dpb1> what is KLINING
[16:49] <Myrtti> The more you give it attention, the more likely it is to happen again
[16:49] <Mr_Pan> idiots
[16:50] <Israphel> what did he say about niko
[16:50] <jerichowasahoax> Jordy: yeah, start from server, "sudo apt install xorg-server kodi"
[16:50] <tgm4883> Jordy: you could run a pretty lightweight install, but IDK what kodi needs
[16:50]  * mpmc hugs Drone
[16:50] <Israphel> kodi needs love and a couch
[16:50] <jerichowasahoax> Jordy: you will absolutely need xorg to output anything useful over HDMI, but if kodi doesn't need a window manager or anything, a minimal xorg install should be fine
[16:51] <|Night|> I just use pelx
[16:51] <Israphel> https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=282593
[16:51] <|Night|> plex, and emby on headless ubuntu
[16:51] <aloo_shu> well, the same went on yesterday in debian, one of the brighter analysis' was 'bored teen aiming at getting people banned', also this link surfaced: http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-2397135
[16:51]  * jerichowasahoax runs a madsonic daemon over his VPN as a hand-rolled alternative to Google Music
[16:52]  * blacknred0 interesting
[16:52] <jerichowasahoax> aloo_shu: once in another channel, we banned a user and that user started "advertising" for us in retaliation
[16:52] <ttmx> Tags...
[16:52] <ttmx> Why did I get tagged here?
[16:53] <LiENUS> ttmx, because we love you
[16:53] <jerichowasahoax> aloo_shu: it was difficult to explain to the ops we didn't set him to do that, i think our channel's still juped on a couple servers
[16:53] <jerichowasahoax> ttmx: spambots
[16:53] <Furai> Noice.
[16:53] <LiENUS> also that ^
[16:53] <ttmx> ´:(
[16:53] <Furai> What does q flag do?
[16:53] <jerichowasahoax> Furai: like a ban, except instead of keeping them out, it just keeps them quiet
[16:53] <Israphel> Jordy: did you check this? https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=282593
[16:53] <aloo_shu> jerichowasahoax: this is also my personal take, a circle that never ends..
[16:54] <ttmx> Also
[16:54] <ttmx> Really random
[16:54] <ttmx> But is there any chance anyone here has an NSpire?
[16:55] <jerichowasahoax> ttmx: it's generally better to just ask, instead of asking to ask
[16:55] <Furai> So it's quiet flag, ok. I'm admin on quite few IRC servers (just chanels) but didn't know freenode had quite flag.
[16:55] <Jordy> I did not yet, thanks!
[16:55] <jerichowasahoax> ttmx: e.g. avoid "does anyone have an nspire", just ask "my nspire running ubuntu 17.04 is doing this and i'd like it to stop"
[16:55] <Israphel> Jordy: also, maybe offtopic, but the distro Librelec is very very lightweight for kodi.
[16:55] <aloo_shu> jerichowasahoax: yep, spambot, see the link. opal later showed up in #debian-offtopic with a somewhat weak 'it was somebody impersonating me'-stance, whereas some of the ops went 'we've all been in the chan wars, haven't we'. I am grossly simplifying, though.
[16:57] <kostkon> Jordy, and 5gb is the max space you can allocate for ubuntu?
[16:58] <jerichowasahoax> kostkon: i dunno if that's RAM or disk space, but 5GB should be enough for "server with minimal xorg" either way
[16:58] <kostkon> jerichowasahoax, yep
[17:00] <neurre> hi
[17:00] <neurre> i just freshly installed 17.10
[17:00] <deadlytackler> does anybody else here having problem with freeplane in 17.10?
[17:00] <neurre> i try "sudo apt build-dep glfw" but it says "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
[17:01] <deadlytackler> its just refusing to fire up
[17:02] <neurre> anyone?
[17:02] <jerichowasahoax> deadlytackler: anything interesting in terminal?
[17:02] <neurre> how do i fix this?
[17:02] <nacc> neurre: and did you put some source URIs in?
[17:02] <jerichowasahoax> neurre: what's your end goal?
[17:02] <alexas> where to set up power button function in ubuntu 17.10?
[17:03] <ttmx> jerichowasahoax its not even running ubuntu :P
[17:03] <jerichowasahoax> ttmx: then maybe #ubuntu isn't the best place to ask about it ;-)
[17:03] <neurre> jerichowasahoax, install packages that are needed for building glfw
[17:04] <nacc> neurre: why are you building glfw?
[17:04] <alexas> for me it show menu but sometimes it execute shutdown command, I can't find why is that
[17:04] <jerichowasahoax> neurre: what's wrong with the existing packages
[17:04] <Dreaman> hoq to see my 4 plots
[17:04] <neurre> nacc, im actually building some my own code which needs glfw
[17:04] <Dreaman> how
[17:04] <nacc> neurre: so isntall glfw?
[17:04] <Dreaman> this is not real unity
[17:04] <nacc> neurre: not sure why you needing glfw means you are bulidig it from source
[17:05] <magic_1> hi all
[17:05] <jerichowasahoax> neurre: are you sure what you're looking for isn't some kind of glfw-dev package?
[17:05] <magic_1> any one got some advice on using intel amd discrete gpu
[17:05] <nacc> neurre: jerichowasahoax: looks to be libglfw-dev
[17:06] <nacc> Dreaman: that question doesn't parse and doesn't exactly read like an ubuntu support question in the first place
[17:06] <magic_1> i am by far not getting the fps that i should be getting from DRI_PRIME=1
[17:06] <jerichowasahoax> !info libglfw-dev
[17:06] <jerichowasahoax> !info libglfw-dev 17.10
[17:06] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: it only exists in p, t and x
[17:06] <kostkon> !info libglfw-dev artful
[17:06] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: is "artful" 17.10?
[17:06] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: (well of the current packages)
[17:06] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: yes
[17:07] <kostkon> !find libglfw
[17:07] <jerichowasahoax> !info libglfw3-dev artful
[17:07] <jerichowasahoax> neurre: ^^ is this your card?
[17:08] <nacc> neurre: so maybe clarify what you're trying to do
[17:08] <jerichowasahoax> neurre: so, your real "end goal" here, as i was asking for earlier, is to get development headers and things so you can build against glfw in your own projects, yes?
[17:10] <Zunino> How does one create and/or configure launchers in Ubuntu 17.10's dock?
[17:11] <Zunino> Are Unity's .desktop files still operational/valid?
[17:11] <jerichowasahoax> Zunino: .desktop files aren't specific to Unity, but the answer to your question is yes
[17:12] <kostkon> Zunino, same deal yes
[17:12] <Zunino> jerichowasahoax, kostkon: thank you.
[17:14] <Zunino> jerichowasahoax: I was led to believe .desktop files were associated with Unity because of documentation such as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[17:15] <jerichowasahoax> Zunino: but they're not specific to Unity
[17:15] <jerichowasahoax> Zunino: they're a standard used by multiple desktop environments
[17:15] <jerichowasahoax> Zunino: so yes, Unity uses them, but so does KDE, and GNOME, and Cinnamon, and... and...
[17:16] <Zunino> jerichowasahoax: Nice. Thank you.
[17:18] <kostkon> Zunino, here's the spec https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html
[17:20] <Zunino> kostkon: Great! I'm creating my own .desktop file for Eclipse IDE. Thank you.
[17:26] <bodangly> I want to stop outgoing traffic to anything that isn't in the private IP address ranges. What is the best way to do it from command line? ufw? or with routes?
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> bodangly: perhaps a question for #netfilter or ##networking ?
[17:28] <bodangly> lotuspsychje: sure, I'll try there thanks
[17:29] <Jesin> Zunino: https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/plain/trunk/eclipse.desktop?h=packages/eclipse
[17:29] <friendzoner> how use vpn ubuntu ?
[17:30] <NEWbie38> G day for everyone :) . I need some assistance with Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS Xenial. Would someone mind to assist me with some problems I have?
[17:31] <Thunder_Tw> !ask NEWbie38
[17:31] <jerichowasahoax> !ask | NEWbie38
[17:32] <nacc> NEWbie38: also, you should be on 16.04.3
[17:32] <nacc> 16.04.2 is not supported any longer
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | friendzoner
[17:32] <NEWbie38> Thank you. Question: I made a mess of my repository. When trying to update discover keeps wont go trough with the install, it hangs
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> NEWbie38: added external ppa's of any kind?
[17:33] <NEWbie38> Yes I added zillion extras to it  :(
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | NEWbie38 cleanup first :p
[17:34] <holgerdanske> Has anyone found a workaround for Wayland's refusal to allow graphical application launch via terminal?
[17:34] <boxmein> interesting
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> holgerdanske: perhaps try with gksudo?
[17:34] <jhutchins_wk> lotuspsychje: That might be difficult if he can't get an install to complete.
[17:35] <holgerdanske> Tried that already to no avail. It's apparently intended to be that way
[17:35] <akik> holgerdanske: what is being refused?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> jhutchins_wk: we cant support systems with external ppa's here sadly..
[17:35] <friendzoner> comand to install first? i need suddo accesss acount first?
[17:36] <hggdh> holgerdanske: try, on a command line: xhost +si:localuser:root
[17:36] <holgerdanske> When I try to gksudo or sudo a graphical application from the command line X draws a dialogue box to input my administrator password but I am unable to actually access it. Googling the problem, I learned that that is how Wayland works intentionally
[17:36] <hggdh> holgerdanske: also, see bug 1706146
[17:36] <holgerdanske> I've tried the workaround that you linked, btw, and it didn't work
[17:36] <jhutchins_wk> holgerdanske: There's a reason for that.
[17:38] <akik> holgerdanske: sudo -i gnome-terminal worked
[17:38] <satemha> holgerdanske: It's not allowed for security reasons but if you need a workaround, you can use this answer from askubuntu: https://askubuntu.com/a/961975/352112
[17:38] <akik> ah wayland
[17:39] <holgerdanske> akik: No it didn't
[17:39] <akik> holgerdanske: sorry i'm using xorg
[17:39] <holgerdanske> It's cool. I just wanted to double check
[17:39] <opal> ✿ i know this is offtopic but what the hell: < aloo_shu> jerichowasahoax: yep, spambot, see the link. opal later showed up in #debian-offtopic with a somewhat weak 'it was somebody impersonating me'-stance, whereas some of the ops went 'we've all been in the chan wars, haven't we'. I am grossly simplifying, though. ❀
[17:39] <akik> isn't that a regression how things have worked until now?
[17:40] <opal> ✿ nobody was impersonating me, i stated that someone is just attacking me and has been doing so for over a year ❀
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> opal: not here please
[17:40] <hggdh> opal: please keep on topic
[17:40] <opal> ✿ lotuspsychje hggdh that would have been all i said on the matter if you guys didnt chime in ❀
[17:41] <kostkon> opal, we... don't care?
[17:41] <opal> ✿ hey, all im saying is im done talking when you are; you're the only people keeping the convo alive ❀
[17:41] <berit> opal kitten this is off topic
[17:42] <holgerdanske> So because we asked you to shut up you're going to keep talking? You realize that's the same line of reasoning that falls into the "I know you are but what am I" defense, right?
[17:42] <nacc> please, just stop feeding the trolls, stick to support topics
[17:43] <pavlos> bodangly: stop outgoing will make the internal machines not accessing the internet. Is that your goal?
[17:43] <olmari> fortunately there is also /ignore :)
[17:43] <opal> ✿ what is it with the freenode hivemind ❀
[17:43] <opal> ✿ it's cancerous ❀
[17:43] <friendzoner> vpn plizz !
[17:43] <nacc> opal: please stay ontopic of use #ubuntu-offtopic.
[17:44] <friendzoner> im waiting no ansar why
[17:44] <damien> hello i am trying to install an aver media tv card to linux any help would be gladly welcomed
[17:44] <nacc> hggdh: thanks
[17:44] <opal> ✿ hggdh you have to be the fifth person to tell me, i think i already fucking realise ❀
[17:44] <damien> language opal
[17:44] <opal> ✿ oh sorry, i think i already motherfucking realise ❀
[17:45] <auronandace> friendzoner: you were given a link to read
[17:45] <berit> opal kitten please calm down
[17:45] <damien> how rude
[17:45] <olmari> why do we keep allowing him here?
[17:45] <damien> your rudeness
[17:46] <friendzoner> but some1 i talk 2 says ubuntu lynix has native vpn apps. i want that
[17:46] <damien> what channel is ubuntu help
[17:46] <nacc> damien: this is the support chanel
[17:46] <johnnyfive> friendzoner, openvpn
[17:46] <ducasse> friendzoner: which one do you want?
[17:46] <damien> ok just checking
[17:46] <friendzoner> free 1
[17:47] <nacc> friendzoner: please don't use text speak, write out words so that we are sure we understand what you are sayig
[17:47] <damien> i am trying to set up an aver media tv card on my pc
[17:47] <friendzoner> what
[17:47] <nacc> damien: what version of ubuntu?
[17:47] <damien> the latest one
[17:47] <ducasse> friendzoner: you still need a provider, ubuntu just provides the software
[17:48] <nacc> damien: `lsb_release -sd` please
[17:48] <friendzoner> what provider. i get to use 1 how?
[17:48] <damien> 16.04
[17:48] <damien> lts
[17:48] <nacc> damien: that's not the output of that command.
[17:48] <auronandace> friendzoner: maybe you should begin with asking yourself why you need a vpn
[17:48] <damien> sorry i don't know
[17:49] <olmari> friendzoner: you need a VPN provider... or your own server to connect to... it isn't just some magic tunnel somewhere
[17:49] <nacc> damien: you don't know how to run that command and copy & paste the output to this channel?
[17:49] <friendzoner> itz for pvt reason ofcoz. lol bad vids lol wont say here
[17:49] <nacc> damien: that's what I asked you to do.
[17:49] <damien> ok well i am unsure how to do that
[17:49] <nacc> damien: open a terminal
[17:49] <nacc> damien: type "lsb_release -sd" and hit enter
[17:49] <ducasse> friendzoner: type full words, not 'itz', 'pvt' and so on
[17:49] <nacc> damien: copy ad paste the output here
[17:50] <damien> ok now what
[17:50] <friendzoner> ducass are you teacher?
[17:50] <nacc> friendzoner: that's not relevant in this channel, as far as I can tell
[17:50] <nacc> !tab | friendzoner: also,
[17:50] <ducasse> friendzoner: that's how things work here
[17:51] <damien> sorry i cant do anything
[17:51] <nacc> damien: what?
[17:51] <damien> yeah thats right
[17:52] <friendzoner> nt wvry one here is from englsih speeking country. ablities of speech differ. why u rude to me anyway?
[17:52] <friendzoner> im just sking to know abt vpn
[17:52] <nacc> damien: i'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.
[17:52] <friendzoner> asking
[17:52] <ducasse> !u | friendzoner
[17:52] <nacc> friendzoner: ok, in that last sentence, write "about" instead of "abt".
[17:52] <damien> ok are you from abroad
[17:52] <nacc> friendzoner: you know english perfectly well enough it seems, just follow the channels rules
[17:52] <nacc> !who | damien
[17:53] <Kendo_Cocaine> !tab
[17:53] <damien> you nacc
[17:53] <friendzoner> cono !
[17:53] <Kendo_Cocaine> !damien test
[17:53] <Kendo_Cocaine> im irc-retarded
[17:53] <nacc> damien: I asked you to provide the output of a command in a terminal, you said "sorry i cant do anything", i asked "what?" and you responded with "yeah thats right". Are you trolling the channel?
[17:54] <nacc> Kendo_Cocaine: please stop that.
[17:54] <damien> no i am not trolling
[17:54] <Kendo_Cocaine> stop what
[17:54] <damien> i just asked for help with a tv card
[17:54] <nacc> damien: ok, then open a terminal, run the command requested and paste the output here.
[17:54] <nacc> Kendo_Cocaine: random offtopic chat
[17:55] <damien> i can't find the original command
[17:55] <nacc> damien: "lsb_release -sd"
[17:55] <Kendo_Cocaine> nacc chill out i was trying the commands they are trying
[17:55] <nacc> Kendo_Cocaine: I believe there is a test channel for that
[17:55] <Kendo_Cocaine> im not familiar with IRC. if I see someone showing commands, i am going to try them too.
[17:56] <nacc> Kendo_Cocaine: this channel is not for learning how to use IRC. those commands are bot triggers, not IRC commands.
[17:56] <jerichowasahoax> Kendo_Cocaine: why? you know what they do?
[17:56] <auronandace> Kendo_Cocaine: you can /msg ubottu privately to test anything out without disrupting the channel
[17:56] <friendzoner> lel ubuntu sucks tiny girl balls you fucking turd jerkers!! i use gentooooooooooooooooooooOO!! farking turds!!!!
[17:56] <damien> ubuntu artful aardvark
[17:57] <Kendo_Cocaine> I''m here to help others and receive help too. i'm not disrupting the channel, you are by acting like a sherriff
[17:57] <damien> that was the output
[17:57] <nacc> damien: that's not the output of `lsb_release -sd` on that release.
[17:57] <damien> ok
[17:57] <nicomachus> Kendo_Cocaine: because he is a sheriff here. listen to him. don't speak unless you have an Ubuntu support question or can help someone else with theirs.
[17:57] <kostkon> damien, paste it verbatim on http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:57] <olmari> and I'm still wondering why isn't there more strict kickban policy... warn once, kick second, ban 3rd time :)
[17:58] <Kendo_Cocaine> LOL WOWWWWWWW
[17:59] <damien> i cant copy and paste it
[17:59] <damien> no mouse
[17:59] <nacc> Kendo_Cocaine: generally, in this channel, the activity is actively helping someone with their question, or asking a question. Please stick to that.
[17:59] <nacc> damien: somethinng like "lsb_release -sd | pastebinit"
[17:59] <leftyfb> damien: <command> | pastebinit # if you don't have pastebinit installed, run sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:59] <nacc> leftyfb: thanks for the more detailed response :)
[17:59] <jerichowasahoax> !pastebinit | damien
[17:59] <Kendo_Cocaine> ignore works pretty well too
[17:59] <damien> why do you need me to do this
[18:00] <nacc> damien: because I want to know what version of Ubuntu you are on, in order to help you.
[18:00] <damien> i told you
[18:00] <nacc> damien: so far you have given two very different answers, so I don't trust your responses, and want to see the command's output.
[18:00] <damien> artful aardvark
[18:00] <nacc> damien: then why did you say 16.04 earlier?
[18:00] <kostkon> damien, why no mouse, is it server setup?
[18:00] <kostkon> a*
[18:00] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: likely a typo
[18:01] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: "16.04\nlts" is a typo?
[18:01] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: I find that hard to believe
[18:01] <damien> in fact i told you twice now the first time i was unsure
[18:01] <ducasse> damien: if you are asked for some output, please just provide it if you expect anyone to actually help
[18:01] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: you didn't specify he said "lts", i was not operating with that knowledge
[18:01] <damien> nevermind
[18:01] <nacc> damien: is your card listed at https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia ?
[18:01] <kostkon> damien, is it a headless setup?
[18:02] <lyze> Hey! I've just recently installed the newest version of ubuntu and tried to run steam. But whenever I do this the whole wayland session crashes and puts me back to the login screen. http://termbin.com/gdwew   Could somebody help?
[18:03] <lyze> ( Crash times: 19:59:21, 19:47:16, 19:50:25 )
[18:03] <nacc> lyze: apt-cache policy steam ?
[18:04] <lyze> I've installed the deb file via the steam store page. http://termbin.com/zo4c
[18:04] <lyze> Should I purge that and install it via apt?
[18:04] <lyze> nacc: ^
[18:04] <nacc> lyze: you don't have a steam .deb installed per that output
[18:05] <nacc> lyze: 'steam store' meaning not apt or a GUI package manager?
[18:05] <jerichowasahoax> to the best of my knowledge, the steam .deb is just a stub installer anyway
[18:05] <lyze> nacc: via here http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[18:05] <nacc> lyze: such a choice would not be supported here, but by steam. If you want support here, use the version in the archive
[18:05] <jerichowasahoax> the real steam program is distributed via valve's cdn using valve's code
[18:05] <kostkon> lyze, apt-cache policy steam-launcher
[18:06] <nicomachus> lyze: best way to install steam is via apt. everything else is going to be questionable compatibility
[18:07] <lyze> Alright, I've reinstalled it via apt. Doesn't crash so far. http://termbin.com/z1fn
[18:08] <kostkon> lyze, you have both now. remove steam-launcher
[18:09] <damien> by
[18:09] <damien> bye
[18:15] <lyze> kostkon and everyone else: Thanks, works now fine.c:
[18:22] <phuQ> why am I attacked tuberculosis test
[18:22] <phuQ> then left alone
[18:22] <phuQ> seems like every other day
[18:25] <ducasse> phuQ: do you have an ubuntu question?
[18:25] <phuQ> yes
[18:26] <nug700> weird. "an ubuntu" should sound natural but doesn't. "a ubuntu" sounds natural but shouldn't
[18:27] <alkisg> It depends on how you pronounce the "u" :)
[18:27] <tgm4883> hence both are correct
[18:28] <Bearded> @tgm
[18:35] <stan_man_can> Does a fresh install of ubuntu server have security updates enabled by default?
[18:37] <oerheks> stan_man_can,  it is an option, step 19 https://www.htpcbeginner.com/install-ubuntu-server-16-04/2/
[18:41] <stan_man_can> oerheks: thanks
[18:41] <stan_man_can> I guess i'll have to check what the VPS provider does during setup then since I'm not physically installing it myself
[18:43] <oerheks> systemctl status apt-daily.timer
[18:43] <phuQ> I have an idea. why don't you guys completely leave me alone
[18:45] <Thunder_Tw> What the phuQ?
[18:47] <Guest62252> .
[18:48] <lyze> wayland still crashes back to the login screen rather regularly: http://termbin.com/71kq   (E.g. at 20:46:28). Could somebody help?
[18:49] <ezra-s> lyze: any reason why you need wayland? you may have to revert to Xorg
[18:50] <Thunder_Tw> looks like you have found a bug
[18:50] <lyze> ezra-s: no reason, want to give it a try.
[18:50] <marshwallow> Hi guys! I can't make KDE Plasma run alongside Cinnamon. Black boxes instead of various UI elements. Can you help me?
[18:50] <lyze> That's a fresh install with only my default setup afterwards.
[18:51] <JanC> stan_man_can: see '/usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README.md.gz' for documentation of unattended upgrades
[18:51] <marshwallow> I know a clean install would run flawlessly, but I ain't got enough disk space for a multiboot, if anything else.
[18:51] <marshwallow> A live session does, if anything else.
[18:52] <marshwallow> Tasksel failed to work, so I just installed kubuntu-desktop.
[18:52] <marshwallow> And boy does it look broken.
[18:52] <marshwallow> I was hoping this is a known issue.
[18:53] <stan_man_can> thanks all
[18:57] <marshwallow> Has anyone encountered this issue?
[18:59] <Thunder_Tw> lyze: Oct 25 20:46:28 ovo gnome-session[8109]: gnome-session-binary[8109]: WARNING: Application 'org.gnome.Shell.desktop' killed by signal 11
[18:59] <Thunder_Tw> that's the line that signals your crash i think
[19:00] <Thunder_Tw> gnome-calendar[10894]: Error reading events from display: Broken pipe >> org.gnome.Shell.desktop[8133]: Fatal server error: gnome-session-binary[8109]: Unrecoverable failure in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop
[19:02] <Zunino> I seem to recall being able to restrict the application switcher to the current workspace only; at least, I believe there was a setting for that somewhere. Is that the case?
[19:03] <ahrosene> εδζεδγββα∞∫⊂υψκθφψσΓΔΛΣΠ∀∧∃ζγβμρψωσρπμθηΦΩηζ∀δγ∧∨αΓΔεηΣμν∂∘∞∘∂∫ξρσφτψωφυτπηδ/////.0651
[19:03] <Zunino> What I mean is, if there are 3 instances of an application, 2 of them on workspace 1 and another on workspace 2, and considering that the currently-active workspace is 1, I would like to be able to cycle between the 2 instances of the application.
[19:05] <stan_man_can> follow up question -- with unattneded updates enabled, if I have say 5 serers with identical configs (server templates) is there a risk they will all update/reboot at the same time?
[19:05] <auronandace> Zunino: have you tried alt+tab vs shift+alt+tab?
[19:05] <stan_man_can> unattended* servers*
[19:06] <ahrosene> εδζεδγββα∞∫⊂υψκθφψσΓΔΛΣΠ∀∧∃ζγβμρψωσρπμθηΦΩηζ∀δγ∧∨αΓΔεηΣμν∂∘∞∘∂∫ξρσφτψωφυτπηδ/////.0651
[19:07] <auronandace> stan_man_can: perhaps you could schedule the updates for each server using cron?
[19:07] <uwd> stan_man_can: theoretically yes
[19:07] <Thunder_Tw> Zunino: i have ubuntu-Mate 16, also muliple workspaces, if I press alt-tab i only switch between the applications on the workspace i'm already on
[19:07] <stan_man_can> auronandace: all the servers are spanwed based on identical configurations for auto-scaling
[19:07] <Zunino> auronandace: What is does is reverse the order of the visited applications.
[19:08] <stan_man_can> uwd: how is that typically handled then?
[19:08] <Zunino> Thunder_Tw: I was using Mint 18 before installing Ubuntu 17.10 and I also believe I had the desired behavior there.
[19:09] <lordcirth_work> I'm trying to setup PAM to lock out accounts after too many failed attempts; using pam_tally2 as guides suggest.  I think I'm doing everything right but 'pam_tally2 -u test' is empty no matter what.
[19:09] <Zunino> Thunder_Tw: I've found something: https://askubuntu.com/questions/464946/ubuntu-gnome-force-alt-tab-to-only-switch-on-current-workspace
[19:09] <lordcirth_work> Or 0, rather
[19:09] <vegii> Hi. I tried to update intel graphics driver then rebooted and now the login screen freezes, pls halp
[19:09] <uwd> stan_man_can: if youre running an actual prod environment for a business you shouldnt run unattended updates in the first place
[19:09] <uwd> a bad practice all in all
[19:10] <stan_man_can> uwd: whats preferred?
[19:10] <Thunder_Tw> Zunino:  looks like a good one. lots of settings in dconf
[19:10] <Thunder_Tw> gnome-settings
[19:11] <uwd> stan_man_can: well usually in a corporate environment you script these things and reboot when you decide to
[19:11] <uwd> and dont rely on random factors
[19:11] <Kendo_Cocaine> uwd got a point, if it aint broke, why fix it
[19:12] <uwd> ^ install the updates, if they require a reboot do it during a maintenance break or do it controlled if its fail-over/loadbalanced/whatever setup
[19:12] <stan_man_can> uwd: yeah but there's a big gap between small startup with limited resources running a large app and corporate level finances
[19:12] <stan_man_can> uwd: fair enough
[19:13] <vegii> please help..
[19:14] <uwd> id say just have your own scripts do the installations of the updates, and if need be make a controlled reboot of the servers stan_man_can
[19:14] <uwd> random is always bad, business critical or not
[19:14] <stan_man_can> yeah i don't disagree
[19:14] <stan_man_can> just looking for good solutions
[19:14] <stan_man_can> thanks uwd !!
[19:14] <uwd> no probs
[19:14] <vegii> I updated 3 things with apt, of which 2 were dependencies for the intel thing
[19:15] <TJ-> vegii: did you update the "intel graphics driver" from the Ubuntu archives or by some manual method?
[19:16] <limbo_> I updated from 17.04 to 17.10 today and the colors on my screen look like they've changed. Like, blacks are darker.
[19:16] <ioria> few days ago, someone asked for a Launcher for Unity able to display windows tooltips;  i came up with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25818767/  . would be nice if someone familiar with py  could test it
[19:16] <vegii> TJ-: it was with apt-get and failed to run due to 2 dependencies, so I ran apt install for the things it listed and tried again
[19:17] <vegii> only sudo apt install was used, with  3things
[19:18] <vegii> I don't remember the commands, it was something like xorg and intel
[19:18] <uwd> oh and stan_man_can, you'll likely want to involve restarting of the updated services if the updates dont require a complete reboot
[19:19] <uwd> check "checkrestart" & "needrestart"
[19:19] <stan_man_can> uwd: yeah i have lots to look into, but pointed in the right direction
[19:19] <stan_man_can> appreciate it thanks ameigo