[11:17] <Stork> MickMcMack, i would partition and install both but i'm too stupid to partition
[11:17] <MickMcMack> Stork, I'm using Ubuntu 64 on an identical proc, and it works fine
[11:17] <MickMcMack> .
[11:17] <Catfish_Man> any thoughts on that GRUB error?
[11:17] <Stork> MickMcMack, and yeah, too poor for windows
[11:17] <martii> gnomefreak: so I will trick installer
[11:17] <sorush20> I've read the manual but can't figure it out since I don't know much about sectrors and blocks etc.
[11:17] <sarah> yer but i want to be lazy and just click on the file
[11:17] <gnomefreak> martii, as for net install being same as iso image how is that net install is only 7.3 mb not 600mb
[11:17] <Stork> Kovecses, linux in general isn't good for me
[11:17] <Kovecses> Stork, partitioning is the very easy
[11:17] <Stork> Kovecses, i feel close to kicking the shit out of my box
[11:18] <cactii> I'm running the Ubuntu 64 version too.
[11:18] <Kovecses> Stork, fedora and gentoo have better amd64 support than ubuntu does
[11:18] <sorush20> what is verbose mode?
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> load average: 5.42, 5.42, 5.29
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> bleh
[11:18] <halibut> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~compfuse/media/gallery/great-pics-mang-05.jpg
[11:18] <gnomefreak> btw martii save the net install image to disk if you ever get it up and downloaded
[11:18] <Stork> Kovecses, doesn't 64-bit just mean i can address more ram?
[11:19] <Kovecses> Stork, HA.. are you serious
[11:19] <^^z3r0c00l> halibut: what the...?
[11:19] <Stork> Kovecses, no, i'm just retarded and stressed
[11:19] <penut> what do I do about this *** Warning: importing gtk version 2.0 doesn't work.
[11:19] <penut> *** Warning: driconf will probably not work for the above reason(s).
[11:19] <Kovecses> Stork, you want me to mail you an xp cd ... lol
[11:20] <Pygi> freaky:: when could u doi it?
[11:20] <speedy> i installed ubuntu, sound is not working, how can i check where the problem is?
[11:20] <Martini> I have 3COM ISA Network card. My Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) doesn' t find it. HOW CAN I INSTALL IT? Is it needed a driver?
[11:20] <Kovecses> speedy, soundcard?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Pygi, i will try to have it done by tuesday night wed. night
[11:20] <Stork> Kovecses, i'd rather get my sound working
[11:20] <sarah> so u cant just make mplayer the defult player like u can in windows??
[11:20] <crimsun> speedy: how old is the computer?
[11:20] <speedy> Kovecses, yamaha, used to work in debian with alsa
[11:20] <gnomefreak> <<<having major java issues
[11:20] <speedy> crimsun, i'm in legacy bios
[11:20] <Pygi> freaky: ah, ok
[11:21] <mad_phoenix> can anybody tell me why ssh would log into the remote machine, and then immediate dump me back to my own command prompt?
[11:21] <crimsun> speedy: did you modprobe snd-opl3sa2?
[11:21] <Kovecses> speedy, ok ... then this is what to do.... go to the alsa webpage.. download alsa-utils... into your home direc... then run ... /home/you/alsa-utils/alsaconf/alsaconf.in
[11:21] <martii> gnomefreak: it is the same
[11:21] <speedy> crimsun it was snd_intel8x0 in debian
[11:22] <speedy> and its loaded
[11:22] <Kovecses> speedy, friggin ubuntu doesnt include alsaconf
[11:22] <gnomefreak> martii, the iso is different
[11:22] <mad_phoenix> Martini: you have to find out specifically what module it needs (google), then find out if you have that module loaded (lsmod), and if its not then load it (modprobe <module name>)
[11:22] <HiTiT> Gow can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:22] <martii> gnomefreak: iso install installs deb packages from CD (apt has cd source)
[11:22] <HiTiT> How can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:22] <penut> can someone tell me what i did wrong *** Warning: importing gtk version 2.0 doesn't work.
[11:22] <penut> *** Warning: driconf will probably not work for the above reason(s).
[11:22] <Kovecses> speedy, gonna have to sudo that
[11:22] <martii> gnomefreak: net install has just network source
[11:22] <martii> gnomefreak: no more differencies
[11:22] <crimsun> speedy: amixer output onto pastebin
[11:22] <gnomefreak> martii, iso for cd is almost 700mb the net install is 7.3 mb
[11:22] <Storkme> god sake
[11:22] <Kovecses> Storkme, what?
[11:22] <martii> gnomefreak: YES
[11:22] <martii> gnomefreak: because CD is filled with DEP packages
[11:23] <Storkme> Kovecses, i still can't fix the sound, and google isn't giving me anything conclusive
[11:23] <martii> gnomefreak: and NET version get all from NET not CD
[11:23] <Kovecses> Storkme, compile new alsa version....
[11:23] <gnomefreak> martii, ok very good now 700 and 7.3 are nowhere near the same size that makes the image differnet
[11:23] <martii> gnomefreak: so it will get about 400 mb of stuff from net
[11:23] <HiTiT> How can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:23] <Storkme> Kovecses, how?
[11:23] <HiTiT> How can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:23] <Kovecses> Storkme, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:23] <Kovecses> Storkme, go to alsa webpage
[11:23] <crimsun> Storkme: ...wasn't sound working earlier?
[11:23] <speedy> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/505959
[11:23] <martii> gnomefreak: size is different but installer itself is almost the same
[11:24] <gnomefreak> martii, size being differnet means the image its self is differnt
[11:24] <HiTiT> How can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:24] <martii> gnomefreak: just allows you to select networked source
[11:24] <sarah> if linux is better  then windows why is there no drivers for my printer and why does a 2 min job in win take 1hr in linux?
[11:24] <martii> gnomefreak: that;s all
[11:24] <Kovecses> Storkme, download alsa-driver alsa-libs alsa-oss and alsa-utila
[11:24] <gnomefreak> thats all an iso is is an image
[11:24] <Kovecses> Storkme, download alsa-driver alsa-libs alsa-oss and alsa-utils
[11:24] <Storkme> crimsun, yes, indeed it was
[11:24] <crimsun> speedy: are you actually using your optical output?
[11:24] <martii> sarah: linux os not for lamers
[11:24] <HiTiT> How can I do firestarter to run at startup?How can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:24] <crimsun> Storkme: ...what did you do to make sound stop working?
[11:24] <martii> sarah: but for people with brain
[11:24] <gnomefreak> martii, they are not the same nor do they work the same
[11:24] <Kovecses> Storkme, so sound WAS working
[11:24] <speedy> crimsun, can you explain more?
[11:24] <Storkme> crimsun, hah, restart.
[11:24] <HiTiT> How can I do firestarter to run at startup?
[11:24] <mjr> sarah, 1) Because your printer manufacturer hasn't made them 2) because you're used to doing it the windows way
[11:25] <martii> gnomefreak: they are almost identical
[11:25] <crimsun> speedy: are you using a digital output to a stereo receiver, or are you using speakers/headphone connected to the soundcard?
[11:25] <martii> gnomefreak: and don't argue as I helped developing linux and I know how it works
[11:25] <speedy> crimsun, no regular laptop speakers
[11:25] <martii> gnomefreak: just different apt source
[11:25] <crimsun> speedy: then, amixer sset 'IEC958' off
[11:25] <Martini> mad_phoenix: what module should I search for? 3COM ISA DRIVER for UBUNTU?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> martii, dont be like that if you cant help her dont say anything to her this is not a room to talk shit you want to talk shit go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:25] <sethk> sarah, linux isn't better and windows isn't better.  If your criteria is easy use of a wide variety of printers, then windows is surely better
[11:25] <martii> gnomefreak: nothing more
[11:25] <agenteo> the first ubuntu 4.10 live is using a kernel 2.4?
[11:26] <Catfish_Man> ok, looks like GRUB error 25 is a disk read error. Anyone know if anything besides drive failure can cause that?
[11:26] <Kovecses> why use 4.10
[11:26] <Chris_Tucker> a configure app told me this "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.6.0... no" i have searched apt but cannot figure out which package i need, what do i need?
[11:26] <sethk> sarah, I can install a printer on linux in three minutes, but that's because I already know how it is done
[11:26] <gnomefreak> martii, 7.3mb what do yyou think is the iso image of?
[11:26] <agenteo> I just need a 2.4 kernel, and an answer thanks :-)
[11:26] <sethk> sarah, but, absolutely, if you don't care to know about the internals of the o/s, then for this purpose windows is better.
[11:26] <martii> gnomefreak: installer source
[11:26] <martii> gnomefreak: use your brain
[11:26] <speedy> crimsun, thats it?
[11:26] <martii> gnomefreak: installer script
[11:27] <gnomefreak> all it is is the installer takes up maybe half that and the rest is kernel
[11:27] <crimsun> speedy: depends, can you hear sound?
[11:27] <martii> gnomefreak: downloads packages from net
[11:27] <martii> gnomefreak: CD insaller, identical gets those packages from CD
[11:27] <Storkme> 56422 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11284.258 FPS
[11:27] <Storkme> 55584 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11116.694 FPS
[11:27] <gnomefreak> martii, very good but before you can do anything you have to have atleast part of a kernel
[11:27] <martii> gnomefreak: simple and always works
[11:27] <Martini> I have 3COM ISA Network card. My Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) doesn' t find it. HOW CAN I INSTALL IT? Is it needed a driver?
[11:27] <martii> gnomefreak: what part of kernel?
[11:27] <sarah> setthk: then would u be able to put me in the right direction to get a driver for lexmark x1100 scanner printer?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> you need a kernel to use linux at all
[11:28] <martii> gnomefreak: this ISO boot's up the same way CD installation does
[11:28] <gnomefreak> without it you dont have installer
[11:28] <Chris_Tucker> a configure app told me this "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.6.0... no" i have searched apt but cannot figure out which package i need, what do i need?
[11:28] <speedy> i'm having permission denied errors when i run esd
[11:28] <Kovecses> Chris_Tucker, let me check
[11:28] <martii> gnomefreak: that;s why I preffer to use net installer
[11:29] <Chris_Tucker> thanks Kovecses
[11:29] <martii> gnomefreak: as it gets latest packages
[11:29] <gnomefreak> martii, its done you know what your doing ill admit that well maybe first get the mirror working lol
[11:29] <crimsun> speedy: don't try to run esd
[11:29] <martii> gnomefreak: and installs i686 kernel
[11:29] <martii> gnomefreak: instead of shity i386
[11:29] <crimsun> speedy: use: aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav
[11:29] <sethk> Chris_Tucker, if the issue is the GTK version, you probably don't need a package, you probably need to do something with your pkgconfig database
[11:29] <martii> gnomefreak: that;s why I kindly asked
[11:29] <Storkme> what does this mean: xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[11:29] <Storkme>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200601142229
[11:29] <gnomefreak> it will only give you the packages that are avalible
[11:29] <mjr> Martini, you might be out of luck, at least my Ubuntu-shipped 2.6 kernel doesn't support 3com isa cards anymore. (And I mean the support is not there, even configurable)
[11:29] <martii> gnomefreak: where should I type mirror name by hand?
[11:29] <Chris_Tucker> sethk, such as? and how?
[11:29] <mjr> oh, he left, ah well
[11:30] <speedy> crimsun, same thing permission denied errors
[11:30] <Paradosso> hi there, I'm trying to help a friend istalling kubuntu
[11:30] <martii> gnomefreak: if you don;t know just say it
[11:30] <crimsun> speedy: groups|grep audio
[11:30] <Storkme> what does this mean: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200601142229"
[11:30] <gnomefreak> martii, the mirror that i got worked fine
[11:30] <martii> gnomefreak: and I won't bother you again
[11:30] <Paradosso> what partition manager do you recommend to prepare partitions?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> its downloaded sitting in my home dir
[11:30] <speedy> crimsun, thereis no group called audio
[11:30] <Paradosso> he needs to destroy a previous ext3 one
[11:30] <Stork> what does this mean: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200601142229"
[11:30] <speedy> crimsun, shall i create it, and add myself to that group?
[11:30] <Paradosso> possibly from windows or from boot
[11:30] <omerix_> i can't play mp3 files
[11:31] <Blippe> Stork, it saved your old xorg.conf and made a new one!
[11:31] <crimsun> speedy: erm...there isn't? Did you do a standard Ubuntu desktop installation?
[11:31] <omerix_> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[11:31] <martii> gnomefreak: ok I'll have to wait till monday to get someone competent from Ubuntu developers
[11:31] <Martini> I have 3COM ISA Network card. My Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) doesn' t find it. HOW CAN I INSTALL IT? Is it needed a driver?
[11:31] <Blippe> the old one is now  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200601142229
[11:31] <omerix_> what sholud i do
[11:31] <martii> gnomefreak: anyway thanks
[11:31] <martii> gnomefreak: for not ignoring me ;)
[11:31] <Stork> Blippe, so it made a backup in xorg.conf.2005903297247whatever ?
[11:31] <crimsun> Martini: WHICH 3com card? And stop using caps for the love of all that's holy.
[11:31] <Stork> Blippe, and overwrote xorg.conf with the new settings?
[11:31] <sorush20> the odd est thing is happening.
[11:32] <cactii> I have AC97 compliant sound that doesn't work with Ubuntu64... It is a Gateway laptop with integrated sound... The manufacturer only says that it is AC97 compliant.
[11:32] <speedy> crimsun, i guess i missed "aptitude -y install ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop"
[11:32] <gnomefreak> martii, first off you language is uncalled for 2nd if you help develop for ubuntu you would know not to touch dapper unless you were working with it
[11:32] <madewokherd> ls: /proc/bus/usb/devices: No such file or directory <-- is that normal?
[11:32] <sorush20> I can seee a perfectly formed preview thumbnail of an image but when I click to see th elasrger version the image is corrupted.. any help please
[11:32] <sethk> cactii, use lspci to find out what it is
[11:32] <crimsun> speedy: ubuntu-desktop is all that's necessary
[11:32] <Blippe> Stork, that is correct!
[11:32] <Stork> orly?
[11:32] <Cythril> ya rly
[11:32] <omerix_> i can't play mp3 files
[11:33] <omerix_> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[11:33] <omerix_> what sholud i do
[11:33] <tkup> I have tried all keyboard combinations that I found in forums and elsewhere to get this iMac to boot from the ubuntu ppc cds. The only CD that's able to boot from is the osx one. I have tried burning different CDs myself, but none it worked. Is there a catch?
[11:33] <mjr> !tell omerix_ about mp3
[11:33] <cactii> sethk, It doesn't...
[11:33] <martii> gnomefreak: I like experiment just for fun
[11:33] <speedy> crimsun, when i execute it now it says no packages will be installed, as if i installed everything required, and i did that with base-config new
[11:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> tkup: Do you have an oldworld mac or a newworld mac?
[11:33] <martii> gnomefreak: I don;t expect it to be stable
[11:33] <Stork> i wish i could partition
[11:33] <crimsun> speedy: ok, then you need to create audio and add yourself to it
[11:33] <gnomefreak> martii, thats up to you if you want to do it
[11:33] <omerix_> sound is working but , ubuntu doesn't open mp3, wmv,  files
[11:33] <Kovecses> Chris_Tucker, i think you are looking for libgtk2.0-dev
[11:34] <martii> gnomefreak: just preffer fresh install instead of upgrade using apt
[11:34] <gnomefreak> martii, ive had dapper last month
[11:34] <omerix_> i tired in amarok, totem
[11:34] <tkup> PuMpErNiCkLe, imac g3 233mhz it originally came with debian on it but installed osx and now I want it on ubuntu
[11:34] <Kovecses> Chris_Tucker, i know it says 2.0 but it is rally 2.85
[11:34] <cactii> sethk, It doesn't...However it lists a bunch of ATI Technologies unknown devices though....
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i know the issues you will have with it
[11:34] <fluvvell> !mp3
[11:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i know what packages are broken
[11:34] <gnomefreak> this is why i warn first
[11:34] <Chris_Tucker> Kovecses, thanks, i'll try that right away
[11:34] <Brian111> hey, anyone here that can help me with ndiswrapper?
[11:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> tkup: Newworld, then, I think... shouldn't be a problem, anyway.
[11:34] <Brian111> i can't seem to compile it
[11:34] <Brian111> im using the amd64 kernel;
[11:34] <Martini> crimsun: I have 3Com Etherlink II ISA
[11:35] <fluvvell> ubotu tell omerix_ about mp3
[11:35] <mjr> Martini, you might be out of luck, at least my Ubuntu-shipped 2.6 kernel doesn't support 3com isa cards anymore. (And I mean the support is not there, even configurable)
[11:35] <martii> gnomefreak: there is already flight2 available
[11:35] <speedy> crimsun, stupid me! am sorry, group audio exists, i was looking for group sound!
[11:35] <sethk> cactii, it would say "multimedia" device, even for an unknown device
[11:35] <martii> gnomefreak: so I think it sould be not that bad
[11:35] <sethk> cactii, are you sure it isn't disabled in the bios?
[11:35] <Steven_M> I am in need of a sudo expert.
[11:35] <crimsun> speedy: heh, thought so.
[11:35] <tkup> PuMpErNiCkLe, so why doesn't it boot from the ubuntu cds?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> yes i know martii flight 3 will be out this week
[11:35] <gnomefreak> should be
[11:35] <crimsun> Martini: sudo modprobe 3c503
[11:35] <Brian111> any clue anyone?
[11:35] <Cythril> I've used Synaptic to install the IRC program BitchX, but when I go to my applications taskbar thing, it isn't there, and when I go to run Application it doesn't show up in the list of known applications.
[11:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> tkup: No clue - it should. :>
[11:35] <Kovecses> Steven_M, whats up with sudo
[11:35] <mjr> Martini, hmh, back up a bit, the driver does seem to be present, so it might just not be compilable for amd64 :]
[11:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> brb, testing BZflag...
[11:35] <cactii> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4 370 (rev 02)... haha, ok so it does...
[11:36] <mjr> (which is what I have)
[11:36] <fluvvell> Steven_M, how expert do you need?
[11:36] <Brian111> just type the command cythril into a terminal
[11:36] <Brian111> that should open it
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Cythril, in terminal type bitchx
[11:36] <Cythril> What's the command?  bitchx?
[11:36] <Brian111> yeah should be
[11:36] <psusi> cyphase, bitchx is a command line irc client
[11:36] <gnomefreak> if its bitchx-gtk use xbitchx
[11:36] <Cythril> Oh, I have to run it in the command line?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> yes Cythril
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> i love bx
[11:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:36] <Steven_M> typing out the question
[11:36] <Cythril> Alrighty, that's why I was confused then. :)
[11:36] <crimsun> cactii: sudo modprobe snd-atiixp
[11:36] <Kovecses> it may be Bitchx
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> but i irc from console
[11:36] <gnomefreak> if you create a launcher you can run it from icon :)
[11:36] <Brian111> anyone know anything about compililng ndiswrapper from source?
[11:37] <Kovecses> irssi is better than bitchx
[11:37] <speedy> brb
[11:37] <gnomefreak> Kovecses, all depends on what you like :)
[11:37] <Kovecses> gnomefreak, true ... i still use xchat
[11:37] <gnomefreak> me too
[11:37] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:37] <gnomefreak> its easier
[11:37] <Kovecses> yup
[11:38] <Martini> mjr: I have no amd64
[11:38] <Kovecses> as far as console irc... irssi rules
[11:38] <dogred> Hey all,  just started into Ubuntu via VMware and am having a heck of a time getting firefox 1.5 installed.  I read on anandtech forums that 1.5 isn't possible on U5.10 currently
[11:38] <cactii> crimsun, did that...there was no output from that command. Should I reboot or something ;) hehehe
[11:38] <dogred> looking to get some more information if I can
[11:38] <crimsun> cactii: good, now cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:38] <Kovecses> dogred, download it from the website and run it
[11:39] <mjr> Martini, yeah, listen to crimsun
[11:39] <Kovecses> dogred, its that easy
[11:39] <Brian111> no one has a clue i guess?
[11:39] <dogred> I've downloaded it, and extracted the files...but when I try to run the sh file...nothing happens
[11:39] <Kovecses> dogred, really
[11:39] <Kovecses> dogred, works great here
[11:39] <dogred> hmm
[11:39] <cactii> cactii@Cactii-Net:~/alsa-utils-1.0.10/alsaconf$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:39] <cactii> 0 [IXP            ] : ATIIXP - ATI IXP
[11:39] <cactii>                      ATI IXP rev 2 with unknown codec at 0xc0503400, irq 17
[11:39] <crimsun> Brian111: not all of us have read your question. Please be patient.
[11:39] <Kovecses> dogred, run the firefox file
[11:39] <Stormx2> !ndiswrapper
[11:39] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:40] <crimsun> cactii: good, now pastebin the output from amixer
[11:40] <Kovecses> dogred, the one without extensions
[11:40] <Stork> anyone know why my sound quality is bad on ubuntu?
[11:40] <cactii> Crimsun, ummm... sorry??? Do what?
[11:40] <Kovecses> Stork, is it scratchy?
[11:40] <dogred> Kov...just tried.  nadda.
[11:40] <crimsun> cactii: take the output from ``amixer'' and paste it onto the pastebin Web site
[11:40] <Brian111> well, i just figured it was way up there
[11:40] <Martini> crimsun: my result is - No such device or address
[11:40] <crimsun> !tell cactii about pastebin
[11:41] <gnomefreak> ha that time it worked b:)
[11:41] <Stork> Kovecses, yeah, when the volume gets loud
[11:41] <crimsun> Martini: from the modprobe?
[11:41] <dogred> I double click...a dialog comes up and I click the 'run' button...and nothing happens
[11:41] <Martini> crimsun: maybe I should install ISApnptools?
[11:41] <crimsun> Martini: you're positive it's a II and not a III?
[11:41] <cyphase> psusi, i'm guessing you didn't mean me..
[11:41] <Martini> crimsun: Yes
[11:41] <sethk> cactii, you can use google to turn those numbers into useful information.  one is the manufacture id (which we already know is ati) and the other is the product id
[11:41] <Stork> Kovecses, any ideas?
[11:42] <cactii> crimsun, how do I get the output from amimixer?
[11:42] <Kovecses> Stork, open volume control and turn down all channels that dont effect sound... only one channel needs to be up for sound to work... like if i turn up alot of channels my sound will be horrible
[11:42] <crimsun> cactii: you type amixer
[11:42] <cactii> ok sethk
[11:42] <Martini> crimsun: I think yes but what should I modprobe if it's a III?
[11:43] <crimsun> Martini: 3c509
[11:43] <Kovecses> Stork, also what sound app are you using
[11:43] <cactii> thanks
[11:43] <cactii> sorry ;)
[11:43] <Stork> Kovecses, so just Master should be on full?
[11:43] <Steven_M> I really want to know whether running "sudo su -" and running "sudo -i" are exaxtly the same.
[11:43] <deefzi> when i want to use "universe"-packets, do i just replace the "breezy-updates main restricted" with what? "breezy-updates universe restricted"?
[11:43] <Kovecses> Stork, maybe.... it tends to be differnent with different cards
[11:43] <deefzi> oh wait, nevermind.
[11:44] <crimsun> Steven_M: no, they're not.
[11:44] <crimsun> Steven_M: sudo -s ==> su   whereas sudo -i ==> su -
[11:44] <set> !mp3
[11:44] <ubotu> well, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:44] <crimsun> Steven_M: of course man sudo tells you such
[11:45] <cactii> ok so I poseted it to pastebin... using my nickname... but with a CAPITAL c. :D
[11:45] <Richard> hi dose ne 1 know how i would have axcess to my ntfs drive with out haveing to type sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 every time i reboot?
[11:45] <menko> hi, how do I disable the animation in the UI?
[11:45] <Brian111> !wifi
[11:45] <ubotu> well, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:45] <Kovecses> menko, animation?
[11:45] <crimsun> Steven_M: to make it more precise, sudo -i is preferred over sudo su - because there's no race
[11:46] <gnomefreak> brb
[11:46] <_jason> menko, try /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources in system tools-> configuration editor
[11:46] <firebird> Richard, you can use sudo vi /etc/fstab and change 'defaults' for the ntfs drives to 'umask=0' to have full access
[11:46] <cactii> crimsun, I pasted it to pastebin... using my nickname... with a Capital C...
[11:46] <eZe> hi, i'm having trouble copzing and pasting files
[11:46] <crimsun> cactii: next time please provide a url
[11:47] <fluvvell> crimsun: what do you mean race?
[11:47] <set> crimsun! now I remember who you were
[11:47] <cactii> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7156
[11:47] <cactii> ok
[11:47] <Stork> Kovecses, didn't help
[11:47] <Richard> and will that mean that the user u do that under will never have to do that again after reboot?
[11:47] <Brian111> alright, is there a package premade for amd64 for ndiswrapper  1.7??
[11:47] <Kovecses> Stork, what card again sorry
[11:47] <crimsun> fluvvell: imagine the situation where you can't verify su hasn't been compromised
[11:47] <Brian111> !packages
[11:47] <ubotu> You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:47] <Stork> Kovecses, it's in mobo
[11:47] <firebird> it means that it's available to every user after reboot... if you want more strict security options, you can change it to something else in fstab of course :)
[11:48] <crimsun> fluvvell: granted, a rather corner case, but that's one of the reasons sudo exists
[11:48] <Kovecses> Stork, and the mobo?
[11:48] <fluvvell> crimsun, ok
[11:48] <CactusWiZaRd> now i think i installed Firefox 1.5 successfully, and did all what Ubuntu Wiki told to, but the last command wont stay(firefox %s)
[11:48] <steve_> what cd burner should I use with ubuntu, is there any in apt-get?
[11:48] <CactusWiZaRd> what should i do?
[11:48] <Kovecses> Stork, did you even try to google it
[11:48] <Martini> crimsun: Thank you ever so much. A few letters and ISA appears. I owe you a beer!
[11:48] <Stork> Kovecses, a8n5x
[11:48] <deefzi> Wibble-_, hey, thanks for the tip. the lesstif2 found from universe-packets and opera's not nagging me anymore!
[11:48] <crimsun> Martini: so it /is/ a III?
[11:48] <eZe> is it possible to copy from the dektop and paste in some folder?
[11:48] <Stork> Kovecses, yes, but i can't figfure out appropriate search terms
[11:48] <majd> isn't gimpshop available for ubuntu?
[11:49] <fluvvell> crimsun, of course root login would need to be enabled to allow su  eg. ubuntu
[11:49] <_jason> CactusWiZaRd, what do you mean won't stay
[11:49] <Martini> crimsun: I think so because now it's working
[11:49] <crimsun> Martini: heh, thought so. IIs are fairly rare these days.
[11:49] <eZe> is it possible to copy something from the dektop and paste it in some folder?
[11:49] <Steven_M> crimsun: I was talking about su - is it the same as sudo -i?
[11:49] <_jason> eZe, yes
[11:50] <menko> anyone know how to disable window , application launch etc. animation?
[11:50] <crimsun> Steven_M: read my explanation regarding the race
[11:50] <_jason> menko, did you try what I said?
[11:50] <eZe> could there be zome reason why it isn't working for me?
[11:50] <Richard> will that make it so that the user can still axcess it after reboot with out havein to do a thinkg?
[11:50] <Stork> god this is annoying
[11:50] <cactii> crimsun, should my sound work now???
[11:50] <fluvvell> Steven_M, if you can't login as root then su - will not work
[11:50] <Kovecses> Stork, paste ... lspci ... somewhere
[11:50] <crimsun> Steven_M: and you can pretty much answer whether it's the same (it isn't, but you might argue that the end effect is remarkably similar)
[11:50] <Stork> you think a reformat would fix it?
[11:50] <firebird> Richard, yes
[11:51] <Richard> thanks
[11:51] <firebird> eZe, maybe you don't have access to the folder where you want to copy the files to?
[11:51] <crimsun> cactii: yes
[11:51] <menko> sorry _jason, I didn't see what you said. I'm not used to xchat... sorry... I'll try that
[11:51] <crimsun> cactii: try aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav
[11:51] <eZe> it is the theme folder
[11:51] <fluvvell> Steven_M, whereas sudo -i will work if you are in the admin group (if you are the only user in ubuntu, this is normally the case)
[11:51] <Kovecses> Stork, paste ... lspci ... somewhere
[11:51] <CactusWiZaRd> _jason i don't really know how to explain
[11:51] <firebird> eZe, you mean /user/share/themes ?
[11:51] <eZe> zes
[11:51] <Kovecses> Stork, paste ... lspci ... somewhere
[11:51] <eZe> yes
[11:52] <_jason> CactusWiZaRd, what do you do and what happens
[11:52] <Stork> Kovecses, http://pastebin.com/506000
[11:52] <Kovecses> cool
[11:52] <Martini> crimsun: It seems all ISA cards are rare used nowadays. At least I think so.
[11:52] <_jason> eZe, why do you want to copy there?
[11:52] <crimsun> Martini: I still use a slew of IIIs
[11:52] <firebird> eZe, you don't have access to that map as a normal user, that's the reason why it doesn't work
[11:53] <Kovecses> Stork, accourding to that your mobo is nVidia?
[11:53] <rabbit> Does Ubuntu come with Thunderbird??    there's instructions in the help "tips and tricks" on how to change it's icons
[11:53] <_jason> eZe, are you trying to install a theme you download from maybe gnome-look.org?
[11:53] <Stork> Kovecses, it has a nvidia chipset (whatever that means :p)
[11:53] <w00t> hi, i'm on ubuntu dapper, i know its bleeding edge and i have to expect errors, but anyway, maybe there's a workaround for this, automounting of external media doesn't work, my first thought was that gnome-volume-manager isn't working correctly, but then i noticed that pmount-hal /dev/sda2 also doesn't work for ipod when i plug it in, only pmount /dev/sda2 works, so i think maybe HAL isn't working correctly
[11:53] <cactii> crimsun, ok... did that like 3 times... it says that it is playing... but there is no audible output.
[11:53] <eZe> yes, that's what i'm trying to do
[11:53] <w00t> anyone who experiences this too?
[11:53] <_jason> rabbit, you can install thunderbird with synaptic
[11:53] <Steven_M> crimsun: I don't know want you mean by race.
[11:53] <Kovecses> Stork, lol.... this is gonna be a long day
[11:54] <cactii> crimsun, I also checked to make sure nothing was muted and volume was up too...
[11:54] <rabbit> _jason, okay..   but it will have different icons I guess?  I'm just curious why those instructions are there..  but it's ok
[11:54] <CactusWiZaRd> _jason https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?highlight=%28Mozilla%29%7C%28Firefox%29, the last section with firefox %s
[11:54] <clearscreen> hi
[11:54] <springaleek> hello
[11:54] <crimsun> Steven_M: scroll up to 7 minutes ago
[11:54] <theverant> any ideas why udevstart is returning invalid command in Dapper?
[11:54] <clearscreen> just a little question :P is there proper nForce 4 support in the latest 5.10 release?
[11:54] <Stork> Kovecses, do i need to install the nvidia kernel?
[11:54] <Kovecses> Stork, is there an nvidia kernel... wow
[11:54] <crimsun> theverant: 2.6.15-11.16 or 2.6.15-12.17?
[11:55] <_jason> eZe, go to system -> preferences -> Theme.  Then just drag and drop your theme file into the window
[11:55] <theverant> crimsun - how do I check?
[11:55] <rabbit> does anyone know how to specify a non default port when using nautilus for ssh ???    here's what I've got<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:55] <_jason> CactusWiZaRd, yes, you open up the preferred apps and enter it.  How does it disappear?
[11:55] <eZe> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24229 for example this theme, the theme mangar won't accept it because it is a zip, and not a tar
[11:55] <crimsun> theverant: well, where are you getting the udevstart error?
[11:55] <Stork> Kovecses, i'm a noob at linux.
[11:55] <theverant> trying to run it in the shell
[11:55] <Sammi> Jeeze, alot of people asking questions.
[11:55] <Martini> crimsun: Minus for ISA is that it' s slow - only 10 Mbps
[11:56] <theverant> I just changed some udev scripts and want the changes to take effect, I read I have to do udevstart for that
[11:56] <Sammi> I don't suppose anyone could help? I have netgear wireless, wondering how I pop it on ubuntu
[11:56] <cactii> crimsun, before I added i810_audio into /etc/modules... should I remove that, could that be a problem? and then how do I unload that module without rebooting???
[11:56] <Kovecses> Stork, sounds like your a computer noob alltogether
[11:56] <JaZy84> what app will burn a ccd/img ?
[11:56] <dfgas> anyone use xmame?
[11:56] <_jason> CactusWiZaRd, if you set it and pressed close you should be good to go, even if it goes back to say firefox up top.
[11:56] <crimsun> cactii: ARGH. Yes, that's the problem.
[11:56] <Stork> Kovecses, yeah, i built it
[11:56] <Kovecses> Stork, not that thats a bad thing
[11:57] <cactii> ;)
[11:57] <Kovecses> Stork, you built your own pc but dont know what a chipset is?
[11:57] <CactusWiZaRd> _jason, oh
[11:57] <Stork> yep
[11:57] <sneedes> Could anyone provide any insight into getting a Promise FasTrak TX2300 & SATA disk working with Ubuntu?
[11:57] <crimsun> cactii: remove it from /etc/modules, unload it and snd-atiixp, and then reload snd-atiixp
[11:57] <cactii> How do I unload and reload???
[11:57] <cactii> and crimsun at least I had the sense to tell you :P
[11:57] <_jason> eZe, let me download it and see
[11:57] <eZe> thanks
[11:58] <crimsun> cactii: sudo modprobe -r i810_audio snd_atiixp && sudo modprobe snd-atiixp
[11:58] <Sammi> Can someone tell me if it's possible to install netgear onto ubuntu, and if yes, how?
[11:58] <crimsun> Sammi: a Netgear /what/?
[11:58] <cactii> ok...well.. I gedited it out...
[11:58] <steve_> !cdburner
[11:58] <ubotu> steve_: Syntax error in line 1
[11:58] <Sammi> wireless USB..thingy.
[11:58] <crimsun> Sammi: so... a usb network device?
[11:58] <steve_> What program do i burn cds with?
[11:58] <Sammi> Yes
[11:58] <rabbit> does anyone know how to specify a non default port when using nautilus for ssh ???    here's what I've got<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:58] <Sammi> My mind kind of sliped
[11:58] <crimsun> Sammi: more than likely, yes. Check the wiki.
[11:59] <JaZy84> steve_,  k3b is a good one
[11:59] <Sammi> Oh, thanks, link me?
[11:59] <Stormx2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=643063 <-- Could someone help with an SVN problem
[11:59] <JaZy84> just won't burn ccd/imgs
[11:59] <crimsun> Sammi: Use the search feature of wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:59] <JaZy84> is there a way to mount the imgs? hrm i wonder
[11:59] <Kovecses> JaZy84, yes it will
[11:59] <Sammi> Thanks for the help Crimson.
[11:59] <JaZy84> it tells me that it is an invalid img


[04:24] <flatsix> quit
[17:05]  * MichealH|Laptop has got his IRC Log Server thingy Sorted :)
[17:38] <shadeslayer> \o
[17:44] <bulldog98> hi shadeslayer
[18:03] <mdeslaur> yellow
[18:06] <kees> mdeslaur: green
[18:07] <mdeslaur> BLACK!
[18:07] <mdeslaur> we ready?
[18:07] <kees> jdstrand: here?
[18:07] <jdstrand> yes
[18:07] <jdstrand> o/
[18:07] <kees> sbeattie: ping
[18:07] <jjohansen> \o
[18:08] <sbeattie> hey
[18:11] <kees> #startmeeting
[18:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:11. The chair is kees.
[18:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:11] <kees> [topic] stand-up report
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  stand-up report
[18:11] <kees> i'm on community.  will be continuing to chase down some stuff in the kernel for yama, and the compiler for hardening testsuites this week
[18:12] <kees> I did any of my merges that were worth merging last week.  (though I guess debmirror still needs merging technically...)
[18:13] <kees> my mind is empty... uhm, mdeslaur, you're up.  :)
[18:13] <sbeattie> (yay monday morning!)
[18:13] <mdeslaur> so, I'll continue my work on openssl this week
[18:13] <mdeslaur> hardy's renegotiation is failing for me currently, as it seems it is compiled without tls extensions
[18:14] <mdeslaur> and changing that will break ABI
[18:14] <mdeslaur> yay
[18:14] <mdeslaur> so I'll be working on that
[18:14] <mdeslaur> and pretty much just that
[18:14] <mdeslaur> over and out
[18:14] <mdeslaur> jdstrand?
[18:14] <jdstrand> so, surprisingly, I am working on firefox
[18:14]  * kees hugs jdstrand
[18:15] <kees> jdstrand: you've got a break now while openjdk-6 compiles for 70 hours.  ;)
[18:15] <mdeslaur> we're not worthy! we're not worthy!
[18:15] <ofirk> the Kubuntu meeting starts in 15 minutes, right?
[18:15] <jdstrand> hardy and lucid should go out tomorrow. upstream firedrilled a 3.6.6 release that needs to be retested
[18:15] <jdstrand> kees: hehe-- I had my people kill off openjdk :P
[18:15] <kees> :)
[18:16] <mdeslaur> openjdk got whacked
[18:16] <nxvl> why they keep doing that
[18:16] <jdstrand> the nice thing about 3.6.6 is that we will probably be the first distro with it ;)
[18:16] <mdeslaur> Ubuntu rocks FarmVille!
[18:16] <jdstrand> nxvl: the new OOP thingie broke flash
[18:16] <jdstrand> nxvl: under certain circumstances on low powered machines
[18:17]  * nxvl hates mozilla more every release
[18:17] <jdstrand> nxvl: you know, the stuff you are interested in :P
[18:17] <nxvl> jdstrand: ohhh, yeah, suuuure
[18:17] <jdstrand> other than that, we need to wait on openjdk for jaunty and karmic before releasing 3.6 for them
[18:18] <jdstrand> I am hoping to get sudo out this week
[18:18] <sbeattie> jdstrand: openjdk for jaunty and karmic will be 6b18 based?
[18:18] <jdstrand> and am on triage, though I am off from Thu through Mon
[18:18] <kees> jdstrand: I can take your triage this week
[18:18] <kees> jdstrand: though I might make sbeattie do it with me.  ;)
[18:19] <sbeattie> kees: fairy nuff.
[18:19] <kees> :)
[18:19] <jdstrand> sbeattie: the plan is to backport what is in lucid-proposed to jaunty and karmic, so yeah. if it passes the tests, we will get the server team to test it with tomcat and eucalyptus
[18:19] <jdstrand> kees: oh, thanks!
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: once firefox is done building in the ppa, chriscoulson will upload one of the openjdks
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: then when it is done, upload the other. this should give room for -security builds and alpha2
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: do you have a preference which is uploaded?
[18:20] <jdstrand> (first)
[18:20] <sbeattie> jdstrand: it doesn't matter.
[18:21] <jdstrand> k
[18:21] <sbeattie> my fear is that I can just about guarantee there will be some small amount of regressions in the devtools portion of the JCK testing kit with 6b18.
[18:21] <jdstrand> I did get to my tcpdump and cron merges last week. I'll probably do sudo this week (as part of my update)
[18:21] <jdstrand> that is all from me
[18:22] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks.
[18:22] <jdstrand> sbeattie: yeah. we'll have to evaluate it and see which more work, backporting fixes or backporting plugin stuff
[18:22] <sbeattie> For me, now that firefox is requiring openjdk uploads, I've been roped in to do JCK testing.
[18:23]  * jdstrand feels bad :(
[18:23] <sbeattie> It's continuation of work I was doing on the QA team, so it makes sense.
[18:24] <sbeattie> My goal is to finish up work I was doing to automate setting up and running the testsuites as much as possible, to hand off to QA going forward.
[18:24] <kees> sounds good
[18:24] <jdstrand> hopefully that work can be pushed back to QA after this, and in such a manner that we can potentially verify security/SRUs going forward
[18:25]  * jdstrand isn't sure how feasible that is
[18:25] <kees> we've got 5 minutes before the next meeting starts -- that it for stand-up report?
[18:25] <sbeattie> jdstrand: that's my hope, too; the annoying bit is even with automation, the runtime component requires manual interaction and takes several hours.
[18:25] <Riddell> ofirk: we'll move kubuntu meeting to #kubuntu-devel
[18:25] <kees> Riddell: we're almost done
[18:26] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that isn't several hours of manual intervention though, is it?
[18:26] <sbeattie> kees: yes, that's it for me.
[18:26] <kees> [topic] other stuff
[18:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  other stuff
[18:26] <ofirk> Riddell: thanks
[18:26] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yes, I believe so.
[18:26] <jdstrand> ah bummer
[18:26] <kees> anyone got any other things for the security team?  nxvl, jjohansen: anything you guys need?
[18:26] <jdstrand> I was hoping it was a little intervention, then it just takes a long time
[18:26] <nxvl> kees: yes, but firefox needs to be updated, so no :(
[18:27] <nxvl> :P
[18:27] <jjohansen> not me
[18:27] <kees> nxvl: heh.  yeah, it's a lot of work, but i'll be worth it.  :)
[18:27] <kees> okay, thanks everyone!
[18:27] <kees> #endmeeting
[18:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:27.
[18:27] <sbeattie> woot thanks.
[18:27] <jdstrand> nxvl: btw, I think 3.6.6 for hardy lpia is ready, and i386 is currently building
[18:28] <jdstrand> thanks kees!
[18:28]  * nxvl cries
[18:28] <jdstrand> heh
[18:29]  * maco waves to lex79
[18:29]  * ikonia waves to maco
[18:30]  * lex79 hugs maco
[18:30]  * shadeslayer waves to *
[18:30]  * a|wen just waves wildly
[18:30] <Riddell> good evening friends
[18:30] <Riddell> how are we today?
[18:30] <a|wen> evening Riddell
[18:30] <neversfelde> evening
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> o/
[18:30] <lex79> o/
[18:30] <shadeslayer> evening all :D
[18:31] <agateau> evening!
[18:31] <apachelogger> lo
[18:31] <Riddell> neversfelde, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, ScottK: council poke
[18:31] <ScottK> Here
[18:31] <apachelogger> ouch
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> here
[18:31] <neversfelde> here
[18:31] <DarkwingDuck_> Did I make it?
[18:31]  * bulldog98 waves back and waves to everybody he hasn’t waved to
[18:32] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: yeah :)
[18:32] <Riddell> first thing is to welcome the new council members
[18:32]  * ScottK has never been on a council before.
[18:32] <ikonia> new council members ?
[18:32] <ikonia> which council ?
[18:32] <Riddell> and thank the ones whose time came to an end
[18:32] <Riddell> kubuntu council
[18:32] <shadeslayer> ikonia: Kubuntu Council
[18:32] <ikonia> ah
[18:32] <Riddell> thanks to nightrose, seele and me!
[18:32] <yuriy> hi everyone
[18:32] <ofirk> I'm back
[18:32] <ryanakca> Hi too
[18:33] <Riddell> welcome along ScottK, neversfelde and little me
[18:33] <Riddell> may we not have to vote much
[18:33] <rbelem> Hello guys
[18:33] <Riddell> shall we start with memberships?
[18:33] <ryanakca> *nod*
[18:33] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[18:33] <Riddell> ofirk: want to go first?
[18:34] <ofirk> Riddell: sure
[18:34] <Riddell> tell us who you are
[18:34] <ofirk> My name is Ofir Klinger, I am 21 years old
[18:34] <Riddell> and why you want to be a kubuntu member
[18:34] <ofirk> I live in Israel near Tel Aviv
[18:34] <ofirk> I am a student for Electrical Engineering at Bar-Ilan University
[18:34] <ofirk> I started learning website building 7 years ago. I know PHP, HTML, CSS and JS. I also know how to write plugins for Wordpress and how to build websites using Wordpress and of course, Drupal. I like building and maintaining websites, currently I have 5 websites which I maintain.
[18:34] <ofirk> I am an OSS user in the last 7 years. Starting with PHP which was my first open source software. I then moved to Firefox and OpenOffice. Later I discovered Ubuntu when it was in its 6.06 LTS version.
[18:34] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OfirKlinger  https://edge.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir
[18:35] <ofirk> I began using Ubuntu 6.06 and exploring the Ubuntu world. I always wanted to move to Kubuntu but KDE3 was a little complicated for me. When Kubuntu moved to KDE4, I switched to it. Since then I feel proud about the great operation system Kubuntu is, and the great developers behind it.
[18:35] <ofirk> I always wanted to contribute to Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I tried to get into C++, python and other desktop oriented programming and never succeeded. Hence, I helped translating Ubuntu through LP.
[18:35] <ofirk> After Karmic launch, the Project Timelord was announced. I saw the announcement on the kubuntu-devel mailing-list and decided to offer my help where I know the most: Website Building and Maintaining. I replied to the announcement and Ryan got back to me.
[18:36] <ofirk> I worked on the new Kubuntu website for more than 7 months. The site was build to give first good  impression on Kubuntu. Therefore, I worked for many days on the site structure, based on what the avg. user would look for and where he would look. Then I moved to the look&feel, trying to give a nice and comfort look to the site. I also included elements from Kubuntu itself.
[18:36] <ofirk> I am constantly searching of ways to improve Kubuntu's image on the web by building professional sites (Kubuntu's main website, Kubuntu's wiki, Kubuntu's shipit website).
[18:36] <ofirk> I am planing to add more features to the website for the next Kubuntu release. Like, multi-language support which includes RTL supports, new or at least update the feature tour and unified look for all Kubuntu websites like the wiki.
[18:37] <Riddell> what is the quality of internationalation into Hebrew and other semitic languages in Kubuntu?
[18:37] <ofirk> Not so good
[18:37] <ScottK> How well does RTL work?
[18:37] <Riddell> uh oh
[18:38] <neversfelde> and what is RTL?
[18:38] <ofirk> There are no many Hebrew translators and RTL is pretty much bad
[18:38] <a|wen> neversfelde: right-to-left writing
[18:38] <ofirk> Right-to-Left
[18:38] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Right to left
[18:38] <neversfelde> thanks
[18:38] <apachelogger> a|wen: one can also read :P
[18:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: not me ;)
[18:38] <apachelogger> oh, poor you
[18:38] <Riddell> ofirk: what still needs doing before we can tell the sysadmins to make the new website live?
[18:39] <ofirk> Riddell: I already told them to make it live
[18:39] <apachelogger> well, I might mention that from what I know our lack of developers who use RTL systems and in general less europeanish languages is a bit of a problem
[18:39] <Riddell> ofirk: ooh!
[18:39] <ofirk> I think that in the next couple of days it will be live
[18:39] <apachelogger> ofirk: does israel have a loco?
[18:39] <ofirk> apachelogger: yes
[18:39] <Riddell> ofirk: what tools did you use to make the new website design?
[18:40] <ofirk> their main field of work is translations
[18:40] <apachelogger> ofirk: nothing on the promotion side?
[18:40] <ofirk> NetBeans, Drupal 6, Apache, Mysql, PHP and of course Kubuntu :)
[18:40] <ofirk> apachelogger: promotion for what?
[18:41] <apachelogger> the Ubuntu product line
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ofirk: like promotion of Ubuntu ;)
[18:41] <Riddell> ofirk: netbeans does HTML?
[18:41] <ofirk> Riddell: HTML, PHP, CSS, JS (it is not WYSIWYG)
[18:41] <ofirk> apachelogger:  I mainly worked on the Kubuntu website
[18:42] <ofirk> the feature tour is kind of promotion to Kubuntu
[18:42] <apachelogger> ofirk: yeah, but the loco in general, do you happen to know if anything promotional is going on there?
[18:42] <apachelogger> love the feature tour btw :D
[18:42] <neversfelde> ofirk: will you focus on making the website better in future or do you have plans to get in touch with other parts of the development?
[18:42]  * apachelogger always wanted us to have one, and now we finally will <3 <3 <3
[18:42] <ofirk> apachelogger: yes, but here in Israel you can say that Microsoft roles
[18:42] <shadeslayer> fyi feature tour has been picked up by kde-www as well,they might make something similar :D
[18:43] <ofirk> this is a shame since Israel is a good place for new things
[18:44]  * apachelogger knows that situation ... not much different in austria, just that austria is no good place for new things of any kind :?
[18:44] <apachelogger> ofirk: What, in your opinion, makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distros?
[18:44] <maco> apachelogger: just good for old music?
[18:45] <ofirk> I think that the whole idea behind Uubuntu to make things easier and human is Kubuntu uniqness
[18:45] <apachelogger> maco: not as old as you might think ;)
[18:45]  * Riddell points ofirk at neversfelde's question
[18:46] <ofirk> I am sorry, I don't see neversfelde's question, can you repeat it?
[18:46] <Riddell> 18:42 < neversfelde> ofirk: will you focus on making the website better in future or do you have plans to get in touch with other parts of the development?
[18:47] <ofirk> As I said above, I am planning to keep working on the website
[18:47] <Riddell> groovy
[18:47] <ofirk> As I learned, websites needs contact care
[18:47] <ryanakca> +1  for Ofir from me (not that I can vote),  the work he's done on the website is really outstanding.
[18:47] <apachelogger> ofirk: any bets on when we will reach world domination?
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> ofirk: What are areas you have seen in Kubuntu that you feel needs to be improved?
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> +1 on outstanding website/localization work
[18:48] <ofirk> apachelogger: I hope until 10.10 ;)
[18:48] <apachelogger> oh perfect
[18:48] <apachelogger> +1
[18:48] <apachelogger> to ofirk and that bet
[18:48] <Riddell> I give ofirk a +1 for persevering so long on the website
[18:48] <neversfelde> ofirk: great, from my point of view nothing is wrong with focus on a special part, was just interested
[18:48] <ScottK> Some time after Python 3 replaces Python 2.
[18:48] <neversfelde> +1 for the great work
[18:48]  * apachelogger pokes ScottK with the fluffy stick of blinking
[18:49] <ScottK> +1 from me too.
[18:49] <apachelogger> perfect then
[18:49] <Riddell> welcome in ofirk
[18:49] <apachelogger> ofirk: congrats and welcome
[18:49] <Riddell> agateau: want to go next?
[18:49]  * a|wen cheers for ofirk
[18:49] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[18:49] <lex79> ofirk: congrats :)
[18:49] <Riddell> agateau: who are you and why do you like us?
[18:50] <agateau> Riddell: because you look handsome!
[18:50] <agateau> More seriously,
[18:50] <agateau> My name is Aurélien Gâteau, I live in France in a small village near Paris
[18:50] <Riddell> +1 for agateau!
[18:50] <DarkwingDuck> O.o *Gets the kneepads* :P
[18:50]  * apachelogger blinks
[18:50] <agateau> I am a KDE developer, I maintain Gwenview, used to be active on KIPI plugins and like to fix bugs in KDE, mostly in kdelibs and kdebase.
[18:50] <agateau> I have been using Kubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog and got more involved when I joined Canonical DX team a little more than a year ago.
[18:51] <agateau> My work at Canonical led me to create the Ayatana notifications for KDE, the message indicator and now DBusMenu. DBusMenu is used in the new KDE systemtray and is a key component of the upcomi
[18:51] <agateau> ng global menubar in Maverick.
[18:51] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AurelienGateau  https://edge.launchpad.net/~agateau
[18:51] <agateau> The notification thing also started a life of its own as Colibri
[18:51] <agateau> which I develop on my spare time
[18:52] <agateau> I have tried to get some work time dedicated to Kubuntu, with varying success. For example I was quite happy to help working on the networkmanagement Plasma applet during Lucid cycle.
[18:52] <agateau> I think that's all I have to copy'n'paste :)
[18:52] <ofirk_> Is the meeting over?
[18:52] <Riddell> the networkmanagement Plasma applet will be making its first default appearance this week in alpha 2
[18:53] <agateau> great!
[18:53] <apachelogger> <3 the plasmoid
[18:53] <Riddell> agateau: you've been at some computer shows promoting kubuntu and KDE?
[18:53] <agateau> yes, I attend Solutions Linux, a yearly french show
[18:53] <agateau> I have been holding the KDE booth there for a few years
[18:54] <a|wen> ofirk_: not at all
[18:54] <apachelogger> agateau: so, one year and only now you considered to go for membership, what took you so long? :O
[18:54] <agateau> I am primarily there to promote KDE but give a lot of Kubuntu cd as well
[18:54] <agateau> apachelogger: being in a delicate position as part of my work for Canonica,
[18:54] <agateau> *Canonical,
[18:55] <agateau> I wanted to be sure I get to know the community well enough
[18:55] <agateau> to request membership
[18:55] <Riddell> agateau: do you have any plans to get upload privilages in future?
[18:55] <agateau> I was able to meet some Kubuntu devs at 3 UDS now, which makes me feel a bit more part of the family
[18:55] <apachelogger> wheter you like us for realz ^^
[18:55] <agateau> Riddell: I don't think packaging is really my thing
[18:56] <agateau> Riddell: at least that's not the reason for applying
[18:56] <agateau> I like to help out Kubuntu by sharing my little knowledge of kdelibs
[18:56] <agateau> and Qt
[18:56] <agateau> but I'd also like to be more involved in Kubuntu specific tools
[18:56] <agateau> as well as default configuration
[18:57] <apachelogger> agateau: What in your opinion makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distributions?
[18:57] <lex79> agateau: is there a plan for sound menu and amarok?
[18:57] <agateau> lex79: yes there is
[18:57] <lex79> good :)
[18:57] <agateau> apachelogger: I must confess I haven't been looking out a lot these days
[18:58] <agateau> before Hoary, I used Archlinux (0.5, wooo) and before that Mandrake
[18:58] <agateau> What I like about Kubuntu is that it comes with KDE and is stable enough that my wife can bare it
[18:58] <agateau> (which was not the case with Archlinux :))
[18:59] <apachelogger> :D
[18:59] <apachelogger> I wonder why
[18:59] <apachelogger> <3 arch
[18:59]  * zkriesse wonders if this is a kubuntu membership meeting
[18:59] <apachelogger> well, then +1 for bringing Kubuntu love to KDE or KDE love to Kubuntu, something along those lines anyway :)
[18:59] <agateau> don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas of arch, but I don't think it's a distro geared towards people who have a life beyond computers :)
[18:59] <lex79> indeed
[19:00] <Riddell> zkriesse: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[19:00] <Riddell> oh
[19:00] <zkriesse> Riddell: that sucks
[19:00] <Riddell> welcome back
[19:00] <Riddell> well I already voted on agateau, others need to vote now :)
[19:00] <apachelogger> I love a good netsplit in a meeting.
[19:01] <zkriesse> I think i've been dropped once
[19:01] <Riddell> oh yes, still split, sigh
[19:01]  * apachelogger waits for council to return
[19:01] <Riddell> everyone here now?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> about half the channel is unconnected
[19:01] <ScottK> Just remember: They are disconnected from us.
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> all better now
[19:01] <Riddell> put your hand up if you're still split from the network
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> o/
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:01] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:01] <ScottK> Looks OK
[19:01]  * DarkwingDuck ducks
[19:01] <Riddell> any more questions for agateau?
[19:01]  * zkriesse is an ubuntu member...can he vote too?
[19:02] <DarkwingDuck> zkriesse: no
[19:02] <ScottK> From during the split:
[19:02] <ScottK> [14:00:23] <shadeslayer> i helped other new users who had problems understanding how to use their new systems,since i had just gone through the same experience,the most general questions i encountered were about mp3 playback and flash :D
[19:02] <ScottK> [14:00:24] <shadeslayer> then slowly i got into ISO testing,this was during the 9.10 cycle,i reported various bugs in the ISO's
[19:02] <ScottK> [14:00:28] <shadeslayer> fortunately you guys over at #kubuntu-devel helped me get the proper info into those bugs and corrected them in the packages :D
[19:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Go
[19:02]  * shadeslayer types till then
[19:02] <shadeslayer> after i understood the lp bug system and how to effectively report bugs i helped other users get more info into their bug reports,recently i have joined the bug squad to help out more in that area , i also help by forwarding bugs upstrea,
[19:02] <shadeslayer> *upstream
[19:02] <ScottK> Riddell: We were talking with shadeslayer: were you talking with agateau?
[19:02] <apachelogger> we were talking about agateau while you were talking about shadeslayer
[19:03] <ScottK> Meh.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:03] <agateau> :)
[19:03] <ScottK> I guess we should back up and start over then.
[19:03] <lex79> what a mess
[19:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Let's let agateau go ahead.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> sure thing :D
[19:03] <apachelogger> we are already voting on him :P
[19:03] <agateau> shall I just copy'n'paste?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> awesome ;)
[19:03] <apachelogger> I would prefer someone from the council throwing a +1 in :P
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> agateau: please :)
[19:04] <ScottK> agateau: How about a pastebin
[19:04] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[19:04] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/Jbj5AMuH
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> dang, we must have split a long time before the split showed up on our end
[19:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: seems so
[19:05] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/AFsJWYL3
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> no wonder the rest of the council was being so quiet ;)
[19:05] <agateau> ah, Riddell if a faster pastebiner
[19:05]  * ScottK read the backscroll.
[19:05] <ScottK> +1 from me
[19:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You might prepare a pastebin of all you told us during the split, so you'll be ready to go.
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> +1
[19:06] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:06]  * apachelogger waits for neversfelde
[19:06] <neversfelde> +1 agateau
[19:06] <neversfelde> sorry was busy reading the backlog
[19:07] <apachelogger> anyone else? no?
[19:07] <apachelogger> agateau: welcome and congratulations
[19:07] <agateau> thanks!
[19:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: you didn't vote?
[19:07] <a|wen> congrats agateau!
[19:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I did in your paste :P
[19:07] <agateau> Riddell: he did, one or two split ago :)
[19:07]  * DarkwingDuck gives a futbol clap
[19:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Paste your bin.
[19:07] <shadeslayer> http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/vNUxCwMt
[19:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: 18:59 < apachelogger> well, then +1 for bringing Kubuntu love to KDE or KDE love to Kubuntu, something along those lines anyway :)
[19:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Arch or Kubuntu?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> So basically as you can see i love to break stuff and then fix it,so that other users may not experience this issue
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> My sigh is out of context in there :P
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Arch for bleeding edge,Kubuntu for long term
[19:08]  * apachelogger thinks that JontheEchidna is sighing too much
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> (that is when we first saw the netsplit)
[19:09]  * ScottK wonders if a person can sustain two loves?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: basically i use arch for confirming KDE bugs ( and that too i have installed only yesterday _
[19:09] <apachelogger> since arch is super hyp0r distro now
[19:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Who go the better KDE?!
[19:09] <apachelogger> and why ^^
[19:10] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/shadeslayer https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg
[19:10] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: from your experience, what can we do better to make it easier for people to get in touch with Kubuntu development?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: again,kubuntu has a very good KDE enviroment,but mem consumption on arch is very low,if that comes to Kubuntu,ill shun arch :P
[19:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If we had a bleeding edge repository for KDE trunk, would you still need Arch?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope
[19:10]  * ikonia would like to comment on shadeslayer
[19:11] <apachelogger> pfff, uninstall all the goodness and youll consume as much mem as arch :P
[19:11]  * ScottK opens up a space for ikonia.
[19:11] <apachelogger> ikonia: please just go ahead
[19:11] <ikonia> it's only quick, I don't normally speak out for people in this sort of way but thought shadeslayer a worth while effort
[19:11] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: well.. first we need a proper medium to channel the bugs,apachelogger has a awesome bug triage policy lined up,that gets the right bugs to the right people,and im trying to implement it on my end
[19:11] <ikonia> when shadeslayer first came to ubuntu in an IRC capacity, he was a pain, no other way to say it, but I've rarley seen someone work with such effort to understand what ubuntu is about
[19:12] <ikonia> his change has been outstanding and long term too, he provides a valuable contribution to ubuntu/kubuntu in many ways
[19:12] <ikonia> I feel membership would be a good reward and inspiriation for a stunning turn around and sustained contribution
[19:13] <ikonia> great potential and enthusiasm, great attiude and willingness to listen and participate

[19:13]  * apachelogger thanks ikonia for taking away a wonderful question apachelogger had queued :)
[19:13] <ikonia> apachelogger: sorry
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the other day pinotree seemed surprised when you asked a question in #kde-devel, do you think that was fair?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a bit,yes,but that is to be expected when i learnt that he comes from debian
[19:14] <shadeslayer> debian has *very* high standards of packaging imo
[19:14] <apachelogger> ikonia: it's better to hear praise from someone else anyway :)
[19:15] <ikonia> apachelogger: I don't do it for many - I think it's worthwihle in this case
[19:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Kubuntu does not? Should Kubuntu move more towards Debian's standards?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also pinotree is highly expericened and im just starting out with packaging,so he has every right to question me
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kubuntu also does have very high packaging standards,but not _as_ high as debian
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for example my qipmsg package :P
[19:16] <lex79> well, they have more time than us
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> ^more patience, maybe :P
[19:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: exactly :)
[19:16] <apachelogger> they are into pain I hear :P
[19:16] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Also ive recently put my hands in the world of packaging,ive done some packaging for kubuntu when we have KDE release
[19:16] <shadeslayer> +s
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you going to become elite Kubuntu packager or elite KDE developer or both?
[19:17]  * DarkwingDuck makes a note who to pick the mind of when learning packaging
[19:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kubuntu membership will give you access to the bzr packaging archive, do you think you're ready for that?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> some of my packages have been picked up by debian,for eg : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580718
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: both!
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes,but i will always request a review in my own lp account first
[19:17] <ikonia> ambitious
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw i saw your ubuntu-core-dev app :P
[19:18] <apachelogger> the application that is an application :D
[19:18] <shadeslayer> didnt read the code much :)
[19:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did you learn packaging?
[19:18] <apachelogger> was a quick hack anyway
[19:18] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: you told me, that there were/are no FOSS events in india, so I was surprised to see that there seems to be a very active community http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki/Events Are you part of this Loco team?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oh and also,im working on apturl support for rekonq
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i poked apachelogger :D
[19:19] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: i am a part of the loco as in i put my name in the contacts
[19:19]  * apachelogger has a pokeme sign it seems ^^
[19:19] <Quintasan|Szel> We're still on membership? :)
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> Quintasan|Szel: yes
[19:19]  * Quintasan|Szel went swimming and forgot about meeting @_@
[19:19] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: but,our mailing is heavily spammed,and there are no events near my locality
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: takes a while when you have 4 people to confirm, and a netsplit after the first
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Don't worry... I'm going to add you to my quit message so you get pings
[19:19] <Quintasan|Szel> JontheEchidna: oh well, :<
[19:19] <apachelogger> cool
[19:20]  * apachelogger hugs DarkwingDuck
[19:20] <apachelogger> well
[19:20] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: also sayakb the loco contact has since left the Ubuntu project
[19:20] <apachelogger> any important messages for shadeslayer remaining?
[19:20] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ah ok, it is not easy to manage a Loco in such a big country, is it?
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: then one side proceeded to grill agateau, while the other split half of the channel grilled shadeslayer, so we had to restart both :P
[19:20]  * apachelogger fears we might be carried away a bit :)
[19:20] <Riddell> let's vote
[19:20] <neversfelde> yes
[19:20] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: nope :)
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> +1 shadeslayer for general participation and enthusiasm
[19:21] <Riddell> I give a +1 for lots of activity in a few areas with quick learning times
[19:21] <Riddell> s/a few/several/
[19:22] <apachelogger> I shall give shadeslayer a solid +1 for poking me and for soon taking over kubuntu-debug-installer maintainership from me ;)
[19:22] <neversfelde> +1
[19:22] <Riddell> let's see if we can get him to give up that arch habit :)
[19:22]  * apachelogger highlights ScottK
[19:22] <ScottK> +1 from me
[19:22]  * Riddell wonders about shadeslayer for project neon maintainer
[19:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: congrats and welcome to the crew
[19:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw kubuntu-kde-konqueror-shortcuts was removed with last update,no idea where it went
[19:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: Quintasan|Szel is signed up for that
[19:23] <ScottK> Riddell: That's what I was thinking
[19:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: woohhh
[19:23] <lex79> shadeslayer: congrats :)
[19:23] <ikonia> council - use this guy up, good call
[19:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then they can work together.
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: not doing a terribly good job though, we should reconsider his membership status ;)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: had a talk wit apachelogger about it :P
[19:23] <shadeslayer> lex79: thanks LD
[19:23] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:23] <Riddell> bulldog98: about?
[19:23] <apachelogger> bulldog98: pingly
[19:23] <Riddell> or maybe he's bulldog98_konver
[19:23] <Quintasan|Szel> I would like to talk about it for a bit after the whole agenda (Project Neon)
[19:24] <apachelogger> bulldog98: bulldog98_konver: who are you and what do you do to deserve membership :)
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan|Szel: is it something that needs council decsison or could it been in #kubuntu-devel after the meeting?
[19:24] <Quintasan|Szel> #kubuntu-devel is fine
[19:24] <bulldog98> so my name is Jonathan Kolberg and i’m a German
[19:24] <bulldog98> I’m going to school atm but I’ll leave it soon
[19:25] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/bulldog98  https://edge.launchpad.net/~bulldog98
[19:26] <bulldog98> I deserve Membership because I think that makes clear that I belong to the Kubuntu Community and that’s the goal I want to reach belonging to the Kubuntu Communtity
[19:26] <bulldog98> my problem atm is that my network connection is very slow so it can take a time till I answer
[19:27] <Riddell> bulldog98: what did you package which had licence issues?
[19:29] <apachelogger> bulldog98: when did you start using Kubuntu and when did you start contributing?
[19:30] <bulldog98_konver> apachelogger: I started using Kubuntu at 8.04
[19:30] <bulldog98_konver> and I realy loved it after years of windows 95
[19:30] <bulldog98_konver> but only 4 days after installing Kubuntu 8.04 I started to use KDE 4.0 from the PPA
[19:31] <apachelogger> ok, that is seriously scary :O
[19:31] <bulldog98_konver> I tryed different distros by now (including Arch) but they were noting for me
[19:31] <bulldog98_konver> because I like the Debian package format and the Community behind Kubuntu
[19:32] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I saw you starting a lot of new things in the last few weeks, do you think you can manage all the work that comes with this?
[19:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think he was refering to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/babeleo
[19:32] <bulldog98> that was a small Plasmoid babeleo and it’s a widget to translate words with help of eg leo.org
[19:32] <bulldog98> the issue was that the author didn’t mentioned the license of the icon and because of that we’ll have to wait for his reaction
[19:32] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: I don’t know wether I can do managing that but I think, that I’ll have more time next school year
[19:33] <apachelogger> bulldog98: Does Arch or Kubuntu have the better KDE implementation?
[19:33] <Quintasan> wrong answer == not a member
[19:33] <Quintasan> :P
[19:33] <bulldog98_konver> apachelogger: I think Kubuntu has a great implementation
[19:33] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[19:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: what do you consider to be your most significant contribution to Kubuntu?
[19:33]  * apachelogger smells a but
[19:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: TMI.
[19:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: one t, one :P
[19:36] <bulldog98_konver> Riddell: that was the translation of the Kubuntu Docs which the German Kubuntu Community did
[19:36] <bulldog98_konver> and also I think promoting Kubuntu at the LinuxTag
[19:36] <bulldog98_konver> was an improtant contribution to Kubuntu
[19:36] <Riddell> bulldog98_konver: is rekonq very unstable for everyone or just me in the previous few weeks?
[19:37]  * apachelogger found it more unstable too
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats a flash issue..
[19:37]  * JontheEchidna has been a bad boy and has been using chromium all week
[19:37] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver is also very active in the german community forum
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: we have the flash patch, so it shouldn't be that
[19:37] <bulldog98_konver> Riddell: the Problem is not rekonq it’s flash
[19:37] <bulldog98_konver> flash make’s rekonq crash
[19:37] <bulldog98_konver> but in the trunk there is an workaround and also QWebKit is working on that
[19:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oh you guys applied it?
[19:38]  * shadeslayer sees the latest commits
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/0.4.95-0ubuntu3
[19:38] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver: how can I proof anything about LinuxTag, I was not there? :)
[19:39] <Riddell> neversfelde: what does bulldog98 do in the german forum?
[19:39] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: in KDE planet there was a picture of my (together with the whole team)
[19:39] <bulldog98_konver> and Blizzz can support that
[19:40] <neversfelde> Riddell: he's an active supporter and moderator
[19:41] <ScottK> bulldog98_konver: Being a Kubuntu Member gives you the ability to commit to the bzr branches we use for packaging.  how would you deal with that?
[19:42] <bulldog98_konver> ScottK: I would look tree times over the things before I commit them and then I would as two guys in #kubuntu-devel to look over that, so nothing can go wrong
[19:42] <bulldog98_konver> +ask
[19:43] <Riddell> well I like what I see, I'm just undecided if it tips the balance on the sustained and significant scale
[19:44] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver: I saw you talking with neverendingo about overtaking the maintainership of kde.de?
[19:45] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: yes I think promoting kde in German is also very important, because it’s our upstream
[19:45] <neversfelde> bulldog98_konver: so you will do this in future?
[19:46] <bulldog98_konver> we should work not only for Kubuntu, we should also work upstream, so everybody has something of our work
[19:46] <bulldog98_konver> neversfelde: yes I’m willing to take care of that
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> I have to step away for a moment, bbiab
[19:48] <neversfelde> so I think I can give a +1 for beeing connected to upstream rekonq and the website team and for your contribution to Kubuntu, I am sure, we will see some of your packages and bugfixes in the archive soon?
[19:48] <Riddell> I'm going to vote a +0 because I think there's lots of good stuff in there but not quite enough for membership yet
[19:49] <ScottK> bulldog98: Are you here?
[19:50] <Riddell> maybe not
[19:50] <neversfelde> seems not, I will talk to him
[19:50]  * Quintasan senses a network failure
[19:50]  * ScottK would be +0 also.
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> He said he had a bad connection
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> +0, maybe in a month or so he could make it
[19:50] <ScottK> neversfelde: What I saw was good, but I'm not sure itt gets to sustained and significant.
[19:50] <apachelogger> +0 sames reasons
[19:50] <Riddell> I think he should gather some more testimonials from kubuntu-de folks and get those on his wiki page and do some more direct kubuntu contributions like packaging or testing and come back next meeting
[19:51] <ScottK> I'd definitely like to seem him back in a bit.
[19:51] <Riddell> for sure
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> He is definitely on the right track
[19:51] <Riddell> thanks for putting up with the grilling bulldog98 and shadeslayer, agateau, ofirk
[19:51] <apachelogger> +1 on both the thinking of Riddell and the seeing him back :)
[19:51] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:51] <Riddell> long meeting, sorry folks
[19:51] <ScottK> I need to leave in about two minutes to pick up a child from day care.
[19:51] <Riddell> Spec review for Maverick Meerkat
[19:51] <ScottK> Riddell: +1 the specs from me.
[19:52] <neversfelde> ScottK: sure, i know him from the german team and so I see more of his work. He should be more active in the international Kubuntu team and then I think he will make it soon
[19:52] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickSpecs
[19:53] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  I don't want him to feel discouraged.
[19:53] <Riddell> and hopefully everyone has seen https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[19:54] <Riddell> I need to poke rbelem and dantii and others for updates on the specs they know about
[19:54] <Riddell> but not just now
[19:54]  * apachelogger is killing items off the TODO without him knowing btw ^^
[19:54]  * rbelem is here
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> the council spec is done though, right?
[19:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes indeed
[19:54] <Riddell> oh no, tutorials day still WIP
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> packaging, global menu bar, and default browsing are well underway
[19:55] <Riddell> maybe should have renamed that spec community stuff
[19:55] <Riddell> rbelem: what's the status of Kubuntu Maverick File Sharing?
[19:55] <DarkwingDuck> Anything from you guys to us Doc guys?
[19:55] <Riddell> anything worth packaging in a PPA yet?
[19:55] <bulldog98> ScottK: I’m here again
[19:56] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: more docs please :)
[19:56] <rbelem> I upload the first patch to kde reeview board
[19:56] <rbelem> And now im finishing the requested changes
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Okay. :) I'll have the bugs from Lucid fixed this week so that gives me time.
[19:56] <Riddell> rbelem: can you e-mail that URL to kubuntu-devel mailing list?
[19:56] <rbelem> Yep :)
[19:57] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I sent you a message in a query
[19:57] <Riddell> rbelem: what state is plasma mobile in?
[19:58] <rbelem> It is packed now and it is in the repos
[19:58] <Riddell> rbelem: when I tried it, it started in a window frame, is that ment to happen?
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> neat!
[19:58] <rbelem> I'm about to make some updates to it
[19:59] <rbelem> With the --nodesktop?
[19:59] <Riddell> rbelem: I didn't try that
[20:00] <Riddell> everyone +1 on the specs anyway?
[20:00] <rbelem> It was working fine to me. And i will try it in arm
[20:00]  * Riddell suspects everyone has fallen asleep
[20:01] <rbelem> :)
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: +1
[20:01] <Riddell> we were hoping to look at lex79's kubuntu-dev application with kubuntu-dev folks too
[20:01] <Riddell> not sure if we have enough kubuntu-dev folks though
[20:01] <lex79> I'm here
[20:01] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, NCommander: up for that?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> I'm here
[20:02] <apachelogger> ack
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> got another hour
[20:02]  * Quintasan 's vote doesn't count but he would go +1 :P
[20:02] <Riddell> lex79: what's the URL to your page?
[20:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we need 4 for quorum?
[20:02] <lex79> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/alessandro-ghersi/KubuntuDeveloperApplication
[20:03] <rbelem> Riddell, i did not uploaded the latest patch because i'm having problems with internet in my city
[20:03] <rbelem> I'm connect to irc via mobile phone
[20:03] <rbelem> :)
[20:03] <neversfelde> btw. bulldog has connection problems and will be here again on one of the next meetings
[20:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't remember if that has ever been decided
[20:03] <Riddell> council is quorum at three
[20:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I seem to remember having read a spec about that for lucid
[20:04] <apachelogger> well, we can always derive the voting to the list anyway
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> s/derive/defer?
[20:05] <apachelogger> aye
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> That would be good I think, since ScottK also had stuff he wanted to say
[20:05] <apachelogger> well, lets have a quick interview and then move this on to the list
[20:05] <Riddell> lex79: kubuntu-dev gives you elite upload rights to give packages which many people will be using, do you know your limits for what to upload and what to ask for help on?
[20:06] <lex79> yes I know my limits....
[20:06] <apachelogger> lex79: what was your worst somewhat recent screwup and what did you learn from it?
[20:06]  * Quintasan wonders if that have even happened
[20:07] <lex79> well, I forgot to left a note in the wiki ninja about the kinfocenter issue, so we have uploaded the package without the fix.
[20:07] <lex79> kdebase-workspace
[20:07] <lex79> :)
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> this was the problem where most of kinfocenter wasn't installed?
[20:07] <lex79> yes, I didn't deliberately uploading a broken kinfocenter, just forgot to say is not ready.
[20:08]  * apachelogger was all confused about that issue :D
[20:08] <lex79> -workspace is a big package now, and it needs more attention before the upload
[20:08] <apachelogger> so
[20:08] <lex79> I learned from that mistake :)
[20:08] <apachelogger> lex79: what do you think we can/should improve about he workings of kubuntu development / ninja work
[20:08] <lex79> in fact this time with RC1 I left a note about python issue in -workspace that I fixed before the upload
[20:08] <Riddell> lex79: why is the package for KDE 4 libraries called kdelibs5 ?
[20:09] <lex79> kdelibs5 means kde4 libraries
[20:09] <lex79> kdelibs4
[20:09] <lex79> means kde3 libraries
[20:09] <apachelogger> lex79: I think Riddell is hinting towards - why does it have a 5 even though it is from KDE 4
[20:09] <lex79> I mean 4c2a
[20:10] <lex79> uhm because is in conflict with kde 4libraries ? :)
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> sorta
[20:10] <apachelogger> say there is libuntuone1 what conclusion can we draw from it having a 1 attached?
[20:11] <lex79> soname version
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> what causes the need to bump an soname version?
[20:12] <apachelogger> that is a tricky one :D
[20:12] <Quintasan> :3
[20:12] <lex79> I don't understand the question
[20:12] <lex79> if you bump the soname
[20:12] <lex79> yu have to rebuild rdepends
[20:12] <lex79> *you
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> why would you ever need to change it from libubuntuone1 to libubuntuone2, from a coding point of view?
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> ^is what I meant
[20:13] <lex79> maybe because is BIC ?
[20:13] <lex79> :)
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> exactly!
[20:13] <lex79> +1 for me
[20:13]  * apachelogger would appreciate answers, not questoins :P
[20:13] <lex79> :)
[20:13] <Quintasan> BIC?
[20:13] <lex79> binary incompatible
[20:13] <Quintasan> oh
[20:14] <Riddell> lex79: what are the issues with upload a package which contains icons which are licenced under a creative commons licence?
[20:14] <apachelogger> lex79: what is the purpose of debian/compat?
[20:15] <lex79> Riddell: I don't know
[20:15] <lex79> apachelogger: The compat file defines the debhelper compatibility level
[20:15] <lex79> Riddell: I'm not a king of copyright file, indeed
[20:15] <apachelogger> what does this mean?
[20:15] <lex79> well if you use compat 7
[20:15] <lex79> you should use debhelper 7
[20:15] <lex79> > 7
[20:16] <apachelogger> well
[20:16] <apachelogger> what if the archive contains debhelper version 7
[20:16] <apachelogger> and debian/compact contains 5
[20:16] <apachelogger> what does this mean for the build process?
[20:17] <lex79> debian/compat controls how debhelper works
[20:17] <lex79> this prevents existing packages from being broken by a new version of debhelper
[20:17] <lex79> that is what I know
[20:17] <apachelogger> yeah, good enough for me :)
[20:18] <Riddell> ooh ooh I got one
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> (It tells debhelper to act as if it were version 5)
[20:18] <lex79> thanks apachelogger
[20:18] <Riddell> lex79: what's better, cdbs or debhelper 7?
[20:18] <lex79> omg
[20:18] <Riddell> :)
[20:18] <Quintasan> :D
[20:18] <apachelogger> lol
[20:18] <lex79> cdbs is fast for write a package
[20:18] <lex79> debhelper is the new way :)
[20:19] <lex79> but seems high quality than cdbs
[20:19] <lex79> indeed, minion likes cdbs :)
[20:20] <Riddell> ok I need to be off
[20:20]  * apachelogger has a nice question left
[20:20] <Riddell> go go apachelogger
[20:20]  * Quintasan pats lex79
[20:20] <lex79> :(
[20:20] <apachelogger> lex79: say you want to package a source tree that contains nothing, absolutely nothing but foo.cpp and foo.h (each couple of hundred lines), at the top of each file it says that this is licensed by fluffy bunny inc. and licensed under LGPL 5 and later
[20:20] <apachelogger> is this source tree properly licensed?
[20:21] <lex79> uhm, I think the header copyright in the file should be complete to say it's properly licensed
[20:22] <apachelogger> well, assume we have a standard short-version license header
[20:22] <lex79> do you have LICENSE file in the sources?
[20:22] <yuriy> did this meeting just turn into a packaging quiz?
[20:22] <apachelogger> lex79: nothing but foo.cpp and foo.h
[20:22] <Riddell> yuriy: it turned into a kubuntu-dev grills lex79 session
[20:23] <lex79> apachelogger: so, no, it's not properly licensed
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> quite a grilling at that
[20:23] <Riddell> so far he hasn't cracked under the pressure, we're obviously not trying hard enough
[20:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: is there a difference between these two? :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> lex79: if you want you can tell us why ;)
[20:23] <apachelogger> not necessarily though, I consider the question answered
[20:24] <lex79> it's not  properly licensed because there is no a COPYRIGHT file, a complete copyright
[20:24]  * Riddell runs off, we'll let ScottK and any other kubuntu-dev review the logs and come back with a decision shortly, thanks a lot lex79
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> +1 from me, but I move that we put the log of this portion of the meeting in a pastebin and defer the final voting to the mailing list
[20:24] <lex79> apachelogger: right?
[20:24] <lex79> Riddell: thanks
[20:24] <apachelogger> well, now you made me ask another question
[20:24] <yuriy> Riddell: oh! wasn't on the agenda
[20:25] <apachelogger> lex79: assume the license is BSD, is it properly licensed now?
[20:25] <lex79> no
[20:25] <apachelogger> why not?
[20:25] <lex79> header copyright is != COPYRIGHT file
[20:26] <lex79> you have to add a COPYRIGHT file LGPL 5 and late
[20:26] <lex79> +r
[20:26] <apachelogger> well, I have it licensed as BSD now
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> (there is no LGPL v5)
[20:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dont give away my hints on the earlier question :P
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:26] <lex79> he says icensed under LGPL 5 and later
[20:27] <lex79> *licensed
[20:27] <apachelogger> I changed the question
[20:27] <apachelogger> sec
[20:27] <apachelogger> lex79: say you want to package a source tree that contains nothing, absolutely nothing but foo.cpp and foo.h (each couple of hundred lines), at the top of each file it says that this is licensed by fluffy bunny inc. and licensed under BSD using the regular BSD license header
[20:27] <apachelogger> is this source tree properly licensed?
[20:28] <apachelogger> and please explain why it is or is not.
[20:28] <lex79> if you add also the COPYRIGHT files in the sources with a complete bsd license
[20:28]  * rbelem goes off
[20:28] <lex79> yes, it's properly licensed
[20:28] <lex79> if there is no a complete bsd license in the sources, no
[20:29] <apachelogger> hm, I'll take that and say it is correct
[20:29] <apachelogger> lex79: you need a full version of GNU licenses because their long-version license text usually mentions the distribution of a copy of the full license along the source
[20:30] <apachelogger> that is specifically unarguable :P
[20:30] <lex79> ok :)
[20:30] <apachelogger> lex79: the BSD license itself is super short and what you embedd in the source file header is already the complete BSD
[20:30] <lex79> ah, now I understand :)
[20:31] <apachelogger> very well, then :)
[20:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I can argue with you
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> lex79: and to answer the question that Riddell asked at the beginning, a few libraries in kdelibs3 had an ABI break in kde3 times, so there were libraries with soversions of 4 in KDE3
[20:31] <apachelogger> +1 very capable answers
[20:31] <Quintasan> :P
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> lex79: so they had to bump it to kdelibs4 in kde3 times
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> and kdelibs5 in kde4 times
[20:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you want to take the application + log to the list? ;)
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> that's what I was trying to get out of my questions about soversions
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[20:32] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks :)
[20:32] <apachelogger> thanks everyone who is still around :)
[20:32] <apachelogger> lex79: special thanks so far :)
[20:32] <Quintasan> :3
[20:32] <lex79> apachelogger: you are a bad cop
[20:32] <lex79> :P
[20:32]  * Quintasan pats lex79
[20:33] <Quintasan> good job
[20:33]  * JontheEchidna is probably good cop then :P
[20:33] <lex79> nope :)
[20:34]  * Quintasan is next one to be grilled when applying for kubuntu-dev
[20:34] <Quintasan> :3
[20:36] <apachelogger> FYI: meeting is over :)
[20:36]  * Quintasan pulls apachelogger back to #kubuntu-devel


[00:00] <aedend> ok, I'm following you so far. So the bouncer is on server, you ssh into that server and start a irc session that way using irssi?
[00:01] <Unit193> SSH into the server, re-attach to the running screen session.
[00:02] <aedend> I've read up on znc but I dont understand how it plays into this scenario. Do you have a link I can reference?
[00:03] <Unit193> There's 3 alternatives, I listed all 3.  I don't use znc.
[00:03] <Unit193> Though it is running on my server.
[00:05] <aedend> Unit193, I have it running also on a test virtual server, although I have no hell of an idea of why I need it or what it does
[00:05] <aedend> slightly kidding there... I'm just not confident I understand everything about ir
[00:06] <aedend> *it
[00:07] <aedend> I get sidetracked easily. I was going to set up my DO droplet, but got curios if I could display htop with the header only
[00:11]  * aedend naturally starts reading every line of man page head, sed and awk
[03:40] <average_guy> irssi is cool once you get it set, it is a pita to figure out though.  Quassel is the the shiz, even an android app to connect from my phone
[03:41] <Unit193> Pure awesomeness, is Irssi.  I've patched mine though.
[03:41] <average_guy> I'm trying to think of things to cram on my server, you guys ever mess mith 'squid' proxy server
[03:43] <average_guy> I wonder if web caching provides any real benefit
[03:47] <cyberanger> average_guy: less then before now, ssl
[03:47] <cyberanger> and yes, still do
[03:47] <Unit193> TLS! :P
[03:47]  * cyberanger goes looking for a large trout to smack Unit193 with.
[03:48]  * cyberanger only finds a big mouth, oh well, it's the bass I can do on short notice
[03:48] <Unit193> fuse: bad mount point `MESSAGES/libc.mo': No such file or directory        niiiiiice.
[03:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^^
[04:34] <Unit193> cyberanger: Know anything about the new Firefox addon system? :/
[04:50] <cyberanger> Unit193: Kind of, have they actually released it?
[04:55] <Unit193> cyberanger: System extensions have changed at least. :/
[04:58] <cyberanger> They're changing the whole plugin design to be more chrome like
[04:59] <cyberanger> but I hadn't seen that change yet
[05:00] <Unit193> My extensions installed to /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}/ don't work anymore. :/
[05:00] <Unit193> ubufox does, and it looks exactly the same. :/
[05:01] <Unit193> NetworkManager also didn't auto-connect like it should.
[05:01] <cyberanger> Perhaps they disconnected that root path, so it's all $HOME/.mozilla/ now
[05:01] <Unit193> ubufox
[05:02] <cyberanger> not sure why NetworkManager would be affected though
[05:02] <Unit193> dpkg -L xul-ext-ubufox: http://paste.openstack.org/show/lgnH3zZAMYwomGwUy78h
[05:03] <Unit193> cyberanger: Different issue, "everything's breaking" sadness though. :P
[05:03] <cyberanger> https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/08/21/the-future-of-developing-firefox-add-ons/
[05:03] <cyberanger> Validated and Signed
[05:04] <Unit193> Pretty sure, or thought they were.
[05:04] <cyberanger> Unit193: e10s enabled or disabled?
[05:04] <cyberanger> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Enabling_and_Disabling_Electrolysis
[05:06]  * Unit193 shrugs, default.
[05:06] <Unit193> And on top of all that, VeraCrypt won't mount. \o/
[05:07] <cyberanger> Unit193: open Preferences and look for "Enable multi-process" checkbox
[05:07] <cyberanger> is it checked or unchecked?
[05:08] <Unit193> As far as Firefox, live system has been powered off.
[05:09] <cyberanger> Ah, and ouch on VeraCrypt, something major is off then
[05:09] <cyberanger> for that much change
[05:10] <Unit193> That's actually wily, two different systems.
[05:26] <cyberanger> huh?
[06:15] <Unit193> Well, that's fun.
[06:40] <Unit193> Sooo, want a bug fixed but don't want to file a bug.  Also, there's a project for it on LP, but no prior bugs reported there, they've so far been reported elsewhere.
[16:38] <aedend> first time using irssi... interesting
[17:05] <aedend> looks like a late night for some of you all. This irssi is hard to get used to
[18:14] <aedend> irssi makes me feel dumb
[19:15] <average_guy> wb aeden__d
[19:15] <average_guy> told ya irssi was a pain to set up, hehe.  It's set and forget though, once you get it, it works nice. Combined with bitlbee it has functionality like no other
[19:15] <aeden__d> hey average_guy I'm not sure I have it configured right
[19:16] <aeden__d> when I connect the sasl script loads but I'm told to verify with nickserv
[19:16] <average_guy> It took me a while, I'm not an all-knowing super nerd
[19:17] <aeden__d> can you do a whois on me please
[19:18] <average_guy> [Whois] aeden__d is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(aedend)
[19:18] <average_guy> [Whois] aeden__d is using a secure connection
[19:18] <aeden__d> why is my ip showing up even though I have a cloak?
[19:19] <average_guy> dunno man
[19:20] <aedend> I've been working for two hurs trying to ge that stupid sasl script to load right
[19:21] <aedend> just easier to msg nickserv and identify... this is a pain in the !!!
[19:22] <average_guy> oh, I feel ya.  I abandoned security concerns a long time ago in favor of a system that is easy to use and 100% backed up offline
[19:23] <aedend> I just don't get it. Makes me mad when things don't work
[19:24] <aedend> when I start irssi the script loads. I guess I've missed something
[19:25]  * aedend is afraid to join irssi and ask...
[19:26] <average_guy> they were helpful to me, irssi has been around a long time, you cant ask anything they wont know
[19:33] <aedend> idk, the sasl script doesn't work. No big deal.
[19:53] <Unit193> cap_sasl?  That's what I'm using.
[19:53] <Unit193> aedend: Also, I don't use the default theme.
[19:53] <Unit193> And, I also use CertFP.
[20:13] <Unit193> I killed kenny! :3
[20:31] <average_guy> You bastard!
[20:41] <cyberanger> Lol
[20:43] <Unit193> cyberanger: He's going to try ecdsa-nist256p-challenge, but doubt he had cryptx.
[21:06] <cyberanger> Who is?
[21:07] <Unit193> aedend: is.
[21:08] <Unit193> aedend: Congrats, it works now!
[21:08] <aedend> Unit193: yes!
[21:08] <Unit193> aedend: ecdsa-nist256p-challenge, or just plain?
[21:09] <Unit193> 'is using a secure connection'  Great!
[21:14] <aedend> Unit193: just plain.
[21:15] <aedend> I think using plainis okay since I'm connecting over SSL?
[21:19] <Unit193> Yes, it's fine.  Though I use ecdsa-nist256p-challenge because, well, I have no sanity.
[21:20] <aedend> I looked into it, but was afraid to mess with it because things are working
[21:26] <Unit193> Right, and you'd need cryptx, I have libcryptx-perl installed.
[21:28] <aedend> I really like this, a lot to learn however. The custom configs seem endless
[21:30] <Unit193> :D
[21:30] <Unit193> cyberanger: http://veracrypt.codeplex.com/workitem/173 - https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939435
[21:49] <cyberanger> I think I'm using the server field, server cert is verified first so it doesn't bother me too much
[21:50] <cyberanger> Each IRC network has it's own password, none used elsewhere, anything else with znc just wouldn't get me much
[22:12] <Unit193> CertFP is a fantastic backup for SASL, and has the additional benefit of auth'ing you if services are split off when you first connect.
[22:51] <cyberanger> Yeah, that'll likely get used after the rebuild