[00:03] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: be sure to think of a punishment if I did something horribly wrong
[00:03] <Quintasan> :P
[00:04] <Riddell> would processing the last 4 months of debian removal packages at very slow speed be a suitable punishment?
[00:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: it would be an overkill
[00:05] <Quintasan> I wonder what do you mean as slow speed
[00:06] <Riddell> takes about 40 seconds for each one
[00:06] <Riddell> and that's without the manual review needed
[00:06]  * Riddell does the kde4libs compiled on ARM dance
[00:07]  * maco hopes Riddell teaches that dance to folks at the next ceilidh
[00:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you had NCommander to use his armel magic or it built by itself?
[00:07] <Quintasan> have*
[00:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: I fixed it all on my own
[00:07] <Quintasan> \o/
[00:07] <maco> good job!
[00:08] <Quintasan> cookies for Riddell
[00:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: fix kubotu!
[00:11]  * Quintasan is going to take a power nap
[00:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did anyone volunteer for looking at Kolab packages?
[00:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: which ones?
[00:12] <Quintasan> The 3.5 ones
[00:12] <Quintasan> (We are going to use them, right?)
[00:14] <Riddell> yes we should look at them
[00:16] <ScottK> Congratulations Riddell.
[00:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: I read they will send you patches to skip the artS dependency, did you get them?
[00:17] <Riddell> uploaded, should take a quick 9 hours to compile
[00:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: can't say I did
[00:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[00:17] <Riddell> probably adding --without-arts would do it
[00:18] <ScottK> If it uses cdbs, it should get that automagically.
[00:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: Okay, I will do that tomorrow.
[00:18] <Quintasan> Do we have any python hackers except for apachelogger?
[00:19] <yofel> Quintasan: well, what's the problem?
[00:19] <maco> i cant raise my hand on python hacker
[00:19] <maco> but on python poker, i can
[00:19] <Riddell> since when did apachelogger touch python?
[00:19] <Quintasan> yofel: kdelibs import :>
[00:19] <yofel> Riddell: u1 I fear ^^
[00:19] <ScottK> Quintasan: Python yes, Python + GUI stuff, no.
[00:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: that was irony for most of the part
[00:21] <Quintasan> damn, can't find the bug
[00:22] <yofel> bug 579491 ?
[00:22] <Quintasan> yes
[00:22] <Quintasan> yofel: thanks
[00:23] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm not wrong assuming it's problem with Python, am I?
[00:24] <yofel> well, it's written in python, I didn't look at the code long enough though to understand what it's supposed to do
[00:26] <Quintasan> I tried asking on #launchpad but the bzr-builder guys are busy and it doesn't seem that they will fix it in nearest future
[00:27] <Quintasan> with that bug we are unable to import kde{libs,runtime,whateverelse}
[00:28] <yofel> I love it when people write functions and don't add a comment for what it's supposed to do... (heck, even one line is better than zero)
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: actually, I'd rather you go through whatever process the kopete devs have for patches. I've never even touched the code base, and if anything went wrong I'd be solely responsible
[00:30] <Quintasan> okay
[00:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan, Riddell: oi! I has done plenty of pyth0rnz
[00:31] <apachelogger> well
[00:31] <apachelogger> apturl
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: feel free to add it to our packaging in the meantime, of course :)
[00:34] <apachelogger> bleh
[00:34] <apachelogger> with bindings I never know what is intentionally not-installed and what is just new
[00:34] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I will do it tomorrow, I just want to check with devs that it is not horrible :P
[00:35] <Quintasan> Like memleaks (Dunno how I could achieve that but...)
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> probably couldn't unless you were new'ign something, or preventing a delete
[00:36]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> nighty night
[00:36]  * JontheEchidna goes off to mow the lawn
[00:41] <apachelogger> why the flying dutchman does libsmokeqt4-dev contain kde headers? Oo
[00:44] <apachelogger> seems lex introduced this quite some time ago :S
[00:44] <apachelogger> meh oh mhe
[00:44] <apachelogger> this certainly needs fixing
[00:44]  * apachelogger better does this tomorrow when he is less likely to screw up though :)
[00:56] <da-bayman> quick question. Im stuck at grub2 with a wubi installation. How do i know which kernel im running?
[00:58] <valorie> da-bayman: can you get to a command line?
[00:58] <valorie> if so, uname -a
[00:59] <da-bayman> no i cant access a command line, i have 2 options... sh :grub. and livecd
[01:00] <valorie> this channel is for development, not support
[01:00] <valorie> unfortunately
[01:00] <valorie> you might do better in #kubuntu
[01:00] <valorie> which is support
[01:01] <valorie> personally, I would use the liveCD
[01:01] <valorie> rather than wubi
[01:01] <da-bayman> yea, my laptop didnt have a cdrom and it couldnt boot from the usb...
[01:02] <valorie> that sucks
[01:02] <valorie> again, the support experts aren't here, but in #kubuntu
[01:07] <da-bayman> thanks
[01:15] <stalcup> Riddell: right, i couldn't request a merge either
[01:15] <stalcup> possibly because of my membership status
[01:15] <stalcup> er
[01:27] <ScottK> stalcup: Requesting a merge shouldn't take any particular status.
[01:27] <ScottK> Someone perhaps should look into http://frinring.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/first-release-of-cagibi-prototype-of-cacheproxy-daemon-for-upnp-device-listening-and-publishing/
[01:39] <Riddell> ScottK: boost 1.40 transition still in progress?
[01:39] <ScottK> Riddell: We're keeping boost 1.40 in Universe.
[01:39] <ScottK> We want all the Main stuff to transition though.
[01:40] <ScottK> That way we can ship the boost MPI stuff.
[01:42] <Riddell> what's the boost MPI stuff?
[01:43] <ScottK> There are several boost packages that deal with MPI (some multi processing thing) that we've historically just dropped because we didn't want all of MPI in Main and no packages used them.
[01:44] <ScottK> Now there's at least one package that uses it (in Universe) and users were complaining.
[01:44] <ScottK> So we use the current boost in Main with MPI removed and a previous release in Universe with it enabled.
[01:57] <rbelem> hey guys, i just uploaded a new patch for ksambashare http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/
[01:58] <rbelem> Riddell, can you take quick look at the patch? :-)
[01:59] <rbelem> dantti, ^
[01:59] <Riddell> rbelem: tomorrow I promise
[01:59] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[02:00] <rbelem> Riddell, ok
[02:00] <rbelem> Riddell, it is becoming a huge patch :-)
[02:04] <dantti> rbelem: shouldn't you use Q_D(d_ptr)?
[02:05] <rbelem> dantti, uh! i forgot about that
[02:06] <rbelem> dantti, but i general, do you think it is ok?
[02:07] <rbelem> *in
[02:07] <dantti> seems to be fine
[02:11] <rbelem> dantti, is the Q_D thread safe?
[02:12] <dantti> rbelem: afaik Q_D() is just to safely transform your d_ptr to d, making it const safe too
[02:16] <rbelem> dantti, hum... i will update the code tomorrow
[02:16] <rbelem> thanks Riddell, dantti
[02:16] <dantti> yw
[02:16] <rbelem> :-)
[02:16]  * rbelem goes off
[02:16] <rbelem> g'night
[03:08] <dantti> ok, now I just have to add the emblem and make sure --reverse works ok http://img820.imageshack.us/i/plasmadesktopxi1450.jpg/  :)
[04:07] <stalcup> ScottK: That's what I would think too, but it says it's invalid
[04:08] <ScottK> Then either it's a bug or you're not doing it right.
[04:08] <stalcup> prolly the latter
[04:26] <ScottK> We should try http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-the-new-kde-bluetooth-stack-is-here/ - Our Kubuntu bluetooth experience could hardly get worse.
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: ok, latest scripty run fixed things. :) I plan on releasing in 12 hours.
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> I should get to sleep though
[08:30] <Quintasan> \o
[08:44] <freinhard> hi!
[08:44] <freinhard> anyone packaging/already packaged bluedevil?
[09:12] <apachelogger> good morning kubuntu
[09:17] <ulysses> morning
[09:46] <eMyller> 'morning
[09:46] <apachelogger> oh dear
[09:46] <apachelogger> looks like I need to do mono packaging
[09:46] <apachelogger> brrr
[09:46] <apachelogger> eMyller: good morning to you too
[09:57] <apachelogger> eh
[09:57] <apachelogger> kate--
[09:57] <freinhard> anyone packaging/already packaged bluedevil?
[09:57] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: translation will be soon ready, I won't miss the beta
[09:57] <eMyller> apachelogger: what's the problem with it?
[10:00] <apachelogger> it crashed
[10:00] <apachelogger> freinhard: I dont think anyone is on this yet
[10:02] <apachelogger> Currently BlueDevil is not ready to be translated (the strings are not final), and we’re looking for native English speakers who can help us with the strings, interested people send an email to alex {at) ufocoders.com
[10:02] <apachelogger> cannot go prime time then :/
[10:06] <freinhard> anyways, the current state of bluetooth isn't.. lets say what it should be, therefore im keen on trying anything that might improove the situation.
[10:06] <freinhard> so i'll give it a try
[10:06] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs) merge
[10:06] <freinhard> can i somehow include kde 4.5 headers for my lucid ppa?
[10:07] <apachelogger> just make your ppa depend on whatever of our ppas contains 4.5 for lucid
[10:07] <apachelogger> but since bluedevil depends on >= 4.4 this should not be necessary
[10:08] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: in muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp:113 there is a missing „not”
[10:08] <freinhard> aaah ppa dependencies, haven't seen that button before *g*
[10:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: lp:~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc
[10:27] <debfx> is konqueror-plugin-searchbar coming back now that konqueror might become the default again?
[10:28] <Riddell> it probably should be split out again
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: desktopcouch patch might get done today I have been told
[10:41] <apachelogger> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/desktopcouch/kwallet-support/+merge/31135 I did what I could to get it done :P
[10:44] <Riddell> lovely
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/kwallet-support/+merge/31138
[10:47] <apachelogger> some for the syncdaemon
[10:48] <apachelogger> however I think that will be replaced by async encyrpted callback from the ubuntu-sso client soon ... that whole lookup business is completely pointless because ubuntu-sso will eventually get called anyway...
[10:52]  * apachelogger is now also becoming elite mono packag0r
[10:52] <apachelogger> who wants to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[10:54] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[10:54] <apachelogger> my korganizer explodes on startup :/
[10:55] <apachelogger> oh dear
[10:55] <ulysses> which indicates to explode the TARDIS!!!
[10:55] <apachelogger> markey: I WISH YOU A VERY SUPER HAPPY AWESOME BIRTHDAY *hugs* *kisses* *cookies*
[10:56] <apachelogger> not even a bot to throw a birthday party around -.-
[11:09] <debfx> Riddell: these should be the necessary changes to konq-plugins: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/konq-plugins_4.4.0-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[11:10] <debfx> debian-changes-4:4.4.0-2ubuntu1 wasn't supposed to be there, right?
[11:11] <Riddell> probably not
[11:23] <markey> thanks apachelogger :D
[11:23] <markey> *hug*
[12:12] <CIA-98> [kdebindings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (18 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[12:12] <CIA-98> * New upstream release * Drop kubuntu_03_qt_no_style_s60.diff (origin: upstream
[12:12] <CIA-98> -> applied) * Turn libsmokeqtmultimedia into dust because we do not build
[12:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bindings uploaded to ppa, please watch out for failures, I only did one build locally due to insane long build time ... that one went straight through to list-missing though, so everything should be fine
[12:14]  * apachelogger is awayish a bit
[13:00] <freinhard> any reason why i would need a shlibs.local file in debian for libbluedevil?
[13:09]  * sheytan food time
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger whee... something broke http://pastebin.com/0A01HdB2
[13:50] <yofel> I can at least confirm that kdelibs5-dev is broken :/ http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52618642/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.quassel_0.7~pre%2B115-gbf0ef15-0.20100728~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you will not get workspace then :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> i wonder what he changed....
[13:56]  * sheytan is back.
[13:57] <shadeslayer> sheytan: \o
[13:57] <sheytan> hey :)
[13:58] <shadeslayer> AHA!
[13:58] <shadeslayer> python-qt4 needs fix0ring
[13:58] <CIA-98> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1156022 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 0.4.0 (1.0 beta)
[13:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: pokes if your around
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> hi
[13:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/7hpUF3zL <<
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> what's that?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> i think its because python-qt4 still deps on libqtwebkit4
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> oh
[13:59] <shadeslayer> im trying to pull in deps for kdebase workspace
[14:01] <shadeslayer> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52253732/python-qt4_4.7.3-1ubuntu2_4.7.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz says something else tho
[14:03] <shadeslayer> something is wrong :(
[14:04] <freinhard> what's the benefit of specifying debian/source/format ?
[14:04] <freinhard> (except of getting rid of a lintian warning)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> freinhard: well.. huge
[14:05] <shadeslayer> if you use the new dh format, no need to use quilt
[14:05] <shadeslayer> no need for cdbs, and everything is much easier
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ahh i see
[14:06] <shadeslayer> kdebindings has python kde4 -> dep on old qt package
[14:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is this in maverick?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes sir
[14:06] <shadeslayer> see apachelogger uploaded bindings
[14:06] <freinhard> actually i'm using cdbs cause that makes everything so much easier
[14:06] <shadeslayer> im checking right now
[14:06] <Riddell> maverick builds are broken today
[14:07] <freinhard> two includes and i'm done with the rules file for a cmake package (i'd call that easy)
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which builds
[14:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all of them
[14:07] <shadeslayer> freinhard: i just need to write : dh $@ --parallel --with kde
[14:07] <shadeslayer> and im done
[14:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you dont get iffy workspace then :)
[14:08] <Riddell> freinhard: cdbs is going out of fashion, debhelper 7 is all the rage now as shadeslayer demonstrates
[14:08] <shadeslayer> hehe ^
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: also, if you use source format 3.0, your .orig tarball can be .tar.bz2, meaning you don't have to repack if upstream decides to use it. (It's smaller than .tar.gz too)
[14:08] <Riddell> needs libtimedate-perl to enter the archive again
[14:08] <freinhard> hmm k, that solves some things i was always wondering about (.gz is old and stinks ;) )
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> now we just have to wait for .xz support :P
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> or .lmza or whatever it's called
[14:10] <shadeslayer> why dont they get .lzma support?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yeah .lzma... reminds of a lama everytime i write :P
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> because nobody's coded support in soyuz
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> it took an extreme amount of groaning to get even .tar.bz2 support in soyuz, *even when packages started syncing from debian and breaking because of it!*
[14:11] <shadeslayer> do you want a kubotu clone here? ( clone as in different bot with same codebase )
[14:12] <shadeslayer> but itll be online only till im here :p
[14:15] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hahaha @sheytan tadaaaaaaa ￼ << from pinheirokde
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> maverick is broken :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/470251/
[14:16] <sheytan> shadeslayer take a look at the pastebin link i dented ;D
[14:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sorry about that
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: anything I can do to assist?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> sheytan: holy fsck http://a.imageshack.us/img704/2209/zrzutekranu10x.png
[14:17] <shadeslayer> how :D
[14:17] <shadeslayer> or only on trunk? :P
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> probably http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/oxygen-transparent?content=127752
[14:17] <sheytan> shadeslayer ^^ :D
[14:17] <shadeslayer> now i know all your secretz... muwhahaha
[14:18] <sheytan> shadeslayer, but please don't advertise it too much. It's still experimental <~~ from Pinheiro :)
[14:18] <shadeslayer> ofcourse :D
[14:18] <shadeslayer> dude.. were going to launch neon.. go mad and break your system  ^_^
[14:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I just accepted libmpcdec6 into the archive, we'll need to do some builds once it gets published
[14:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: although nothing is building until libtimedate-perl gets published
[14:20] <yofel> Riddell: can you look at bug 610848 ? would that be sufficient?
[14:20] <sheytan> i always have another system for testing stuff, so :D
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: lucid>
[14:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that will break on upgrades from lucid..
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ah ok.. debdiff is attached  ^_^
[14:21] <freinhard> shadeslayer: whats that image?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> freinhard: that is sheytan's desktop
[14:21] <yofel> and blame apport for that version number in the title..
[14:22] <freinhard> shadeslayer: bluedevil?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:22] <shadeslayer> i would think so
[14:22]  * freinhard is packaging
[14:22] <shadeslayer> freinhard: go go!
[14:22] <sheytan> yes, yes  :D
[14:22] <sheytan> blue devil right from hell :D
[14:22] <sheytan> becareful, it can burn your devices :D
[14:22] <freinhard> libbluedevil did work, but just kicked cdbs and need to rebuild again ;)
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> "hell has frozen over, and a blue devil has emerged; KDE actually got a new bluetooth stack"
[14:23] <freinhard> any accelerators for my fast-as-a-lightning atom n450? ;)
[14:24] <sheytan> freinhard go to hadwallpapers.net there you can find that image. nature section ;)
[14:25] <ulysses> That's oxygen-transparent is awesome
[14:30] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nice :D
[14:31] <shadeslayer> freinhard: your now using dh magic? :D
[14:31] <ScottK> Is there anyone here that uses Kubuntu with an RTL language?
[14:33] <ulysses> RTL?
[14:33] <Riddell> we do have Islraelies around, dunno if they use Hebrew
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: right-to-left
[14:36] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/celebrate-ubuntu-1010-alpha-with-these.html << dude these are like....
[14:36] <ScottK> I'm curious if Konsole works with RTL as there's a big discussion on #ubuntu-devel about how VTE doesn't.
[14:37] <sheytan> shadeslayer i like only the 3rd one :)
[14:37] <shadeslayer> sheytan: i like the last one
[14:37] <shadeslayer> need something blue+ with kubuntu logo :P
[14:38] <sheytan> when i get some time :)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:38] <sheytan> need still to work on kubuntu web page and kde GSOC certificate desing ;)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do you have that tree wallpaper?
[14:39] <sheytan> from that link?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> sheytan: from the snapshot of kubuntu site you posted
[14:39] <sheytan> that green one with bluedevil?
[14:40] <sheytan> please link :D
[14:40] <sheytan> then i'll tell you
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: last I looked at it Konsole didn't work RTL and nobody ever expected that it would
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: you can write hebrew or whatever as normal in Konsole but it'll appear left to right
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I was curious.
[14:44] <freinhard> what does the cmake makro find_library do?
[14:45] <freinhard> got /usr/lib/libbluedevil.so.* but cmake cant find it with find_library(LibBlueDevil_LIBRARIES bluedevil)
[14:45] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do you haz tarball for bluedevil?
[14:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: want my desktop? :P http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/plasma0.png
[14:47] <shadeslayer> oh god
[14:47] <shadeslayer> how do you manage to process so much info :P
[14:47] <shadeslayer> 2 batteries?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:48] <sheytan> shadeslayer no, get it from git :)
[14:48] <sheytan> yofel, glad you use my wallpaper ;D
[14:48] <yofel> sheytan: thanks for making it ;)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do i have to uninstall anything ?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> not that i really use bluetooth
[14:49] <shadeslayer> http://www.dennogumi.org/2010/07/what-this-might-ever-be << is nice
[14:49] <sheytan> yofel, you're welcome :)
[14:49] <sheytan> shadeslayer no. Install compilers and kde dev packages only
[14:49] <sheytan> then compile
[14:49] <sheytan> and done ;)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> sheytan: i have half the dev packages from repos installed :P
[14:50] <sheytan> shadeslayer, then you're good to go :D
[14:50] <yofel> Riddell: is that debdiff for konq-plugins ok or should I change something?
[14:51] <Riddell> yofel: sorry, let me look now
[14:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Next armel question I guess is why libqtwebkit4 is uninstallable.
[14:51] <ScottK> (which is why kde4libs won't build)
[14:51] <Riddell> ScottK: it's the libtimedate-perl issue
[14:51] <Riddell> ScottK: we just need to wait until that gets mirrored to ports
[14:51] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:51] <ScottK> OK.
[14:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:52] <shadeslayer> i needs libbluedevil :P
[14:53] <ScottK> Looks like it might be worth trying again now.
[14:53]  * ScottK does
[14:53] <shadeslayer>   Could not find LibBlueDevil
[14:53] <freinhard> shadeslayer: almost done
[14:53] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[14:54] <sheytan> shadeslayer in the git link change bluedevil to libbluedevil :D
[14:54] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:58] <Riddell> debfx: konq-plugins uploaded
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: debfx just split out konqueror-plugin-searchbar again so that makes your bug a non-issue
[14:59] <yofel> ok
[15:00] <shadeslayer> sheytan: nice : http://imgur.com/DNRUt
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:01] <shadeslayer> and thats not my phone btw :P
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> will this cause problems? gpg --armor --sign --detach-sig
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> er
[15:01] <sheytan> shadeslayer talk to afiestas at #kde-devel and report a bug :D
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=127964427716288&w=2
[15:01] <sheytan> it's still the RC
[15:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: actually.. its not a bug :P
[15:01] <sheytan> a feature? :
[15:01] <sheytan> :D
[15:02] <shadeslayer> this phone doesnt do audio connections :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> only data transfer
[15:03] <sheytan> oh :D
[15:03] <sheytan> ok :D
[15:03] <Riddell> note that debian also seems to be packaging bluedevil
[15:04] <shadeslayer> yeah saw it on debian-qt-kde ;)
[15:05] <freinhard> Riddell: too late as usual, narf
[15:08] <freinhard> are the packages for libbluedevil/bluedevil already done?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 609448 please
[15:08] <shadeslayer> freinhard: theyre working on them
[15:08] <freinhard> that's why i asked previously if somebody is packaging it. argh
[15:10] <shadeslayer> better join oftc then :P
[15:12] <mfraz74> apparently k3b has switched burn speed to 8,400x, is this even possible?
[15:13] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1156069 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Bump version for 0.4 (1.0 beta)
[15:14] <freinhard> shadeslayer: got a link handy to the mailinglist?
[15:14] <freinhard> can't find a related post in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:14] <shadeslayer> freinhard: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/
[15:15] <shadeslayer> freinhard: i guess gkiagia hasnt written one yet
[15:17] <freinhard> shadeslayer: can't find anything bluedevil related there anyways
[15:17] <mfraz74> bluedevil looks impressive
[15:21] <shadeslayer> freinhard: http://pastebin.com/eWDZMHaX
[15:23] <freinhard> shadeslayer: which channel?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> freinhard: #debian-qt-kde on oftc
[15:25] <shadeslayer> this is nice http://imgur.com/VJIle
[15:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: synced
[15:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does plasma-widget-fastuserswitch do that kickoff doesn't?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :D
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nothing new... just that its a plasmoid and suse had it :P
[15:29] <shadeslayer> didnt want our users to be left out :P
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imgur.com/IvsZv
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I was going to ask to have that one sync'ed too.  No kickoff in netbook, so it might be useful there.
[16:00] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, right enough, although netbooks are generally single user
[16:01] <ScottK> Riddell: True.  It might go nicely with some sort of guest session thingy in the future.  Handing your netbook to your buddy to use for a bit is not a totally obscure use case.
[16:17] <sheytan> only one thing left, to show you guys all the changes in the kubuntu page. It's now simple and clean :D
[16:30] <maco> but when is it actually moving to kubuntu.org???
[16:34] <sheytan> hey guys
[16:34] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img820/4165/base3test1.jpg
[16:34] <sheytan> take a look :D
[16:34] <Riddell> new kubuntu.org website needs me to get password off ofir then I can copy over the new stories then it can go live
[16:36] <sheytan> Riddle is this what you mean the 'new site' http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/ ? :)
[16:36] <sheytan> Riddell ^^
[16:37] <ulysses> sheytan: great
[16:37] <sheytan> ulysses thank you :)
[16:37] <sheytan> still waiting for ofir to discuss all that stuff
[16:39] <Riddell> sheytan: yes
[16:40] <sheytan> Riddell then that's what i'm working on :)
[16:40] <sheytan> we were talking with ofir to have everything done for 10.10 release :)
[16:40] <sheytan> i've got almost everything done, it just need some changes i will make :)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> better start trying to get it through now :P
[16:41] <Riddell> sheytan: ah good.  getting the 10.04 one out first is my current problem though
[16:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: without the upgrade to a new drupal version it won't be so bad
[16:42] <Riddell> sheytan: don't you worry the field is too Windows XP like?
[16:42] <sheytan> Riddell ok ;) I think that you guys like my work, ofir does it too. Of course some  changes in artwork maybe needed :)
[16:42] <sheytan> Riddell No, no. It is to show ppl that it's way better then the xp one :D
[16:43] <sheytan> And this way kubuntu is a 'whole better place' :D
[16:43] <sheytan> then window
[16:43] <sheytan> s
[16:43] <sheytan> oh, yeah, and the image is CC licenced. It's hard to find a free one :D
[16:52] <maco> Riddell: still trying to shake the "kde is like windows!" thing?
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the difference between ubuntu-sso and the ubuntu auth stuff that went before?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: lose the " Better Place"
[17:04] <shadeslayer> on the site
[17:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer why? :P
[17:05] <shadeslayer> doesnt go along very well with the rest of the site
[17:05] <sheytan> i like it :D
[17:06] <shadeslayer> well... A Whole Better place would be rather good
[17:06] <shadeslayer> also.. give me the image of the field
[17:06] <shadeslayer> i likes it :)
[17:07] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ^
[17:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer i linked it yesterday. Just a second ;)
[17:08] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/wallpaper/widescreen/?qh=&section=&q=field++of++dreams#/d1ut0zi
[17:08] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:11] <maco> hmm now you make me think of the song "A Better Place" which is a sad song
[17:11] <maco> http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/A-Better-Place-A-Better-Time-lyrics-Streetlight-Manifesto/89B29D44FCA00CF348256E0000063652
[17:13] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:14] <maco> (by one of my fave bands)
[17:15] <shadeslayer> 2 days and only 7 pages of my report is complete.. not good at all
[17:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't really get what the question was about gnupg and kleopatra packaging?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ^ me neither
[17:16] <ScottK> (sorry to just ask after the minutes are out, but I got distracted during the meeting)
[17:17] <Riddell> ScottK: padams mentioned to me a while ago that we were "using gnupg 1 not gnupg 2" in our kde pim packaging so that needs investigated (whether it's true and whether it's a problem)
[17:17] <Riddell> and kleopatra is in universe and I'd like to remember why
[17:18] <shadeslayer> OOo is evil i say.. evil.. Says " General Error " on loading .odt files :/
[17:18] <ScottK> Kleopatra is in Universe because dirmngr (or whatever it is exactly) is a heaping pile of poo that failed the security review for Main.
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how difficult would it be to implement this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickFasterLogin
[17:20] <ScottK> Riddell: We default to gnupg1, but if users have gnupg2 installed, it works.  We use gnupg-agent and gpgsm from gnupg2.
[17:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not simple.  Talk to shtylman.
[17:20] <shadeslayer> shtylman: pokes :)
[17:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I seem to remember padams saying gnupg1 didn't work very well with kde pim
[17:21] <shtylman> shadeslayer: pokes back
[17:21] <shadeslayer> shtylman: i would like to help out on the Faster user login thing
[17:21] <shtylman> shadeslayer: you and me both :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> shtylman: but im busy till monday :P
[17:21] <shtylman> shadeslayer: it isn't a simple problem to solve :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> i might be able to squeze out some time on the weekend
[17:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the key thing is you have to have gnupg-agent and gpgsm from gnupg2.  I don't think for the actual gpg binary it matters much (I use it all the time and it seems to work fine).
[17:22] <shadeslayer> shtylman: hmm.. ok, teach me as we go along :D
[17:22] <shtylman> shadeslayer: the first step is to begin to understand the kde login process (basically start looking at the startkde script)
[17:22] <shtylman> shadeslayer: I haven't gotten to far along
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ok..
[17:23] <shtylman> but one point of interest would be to see what isn't needed from that script
[17:23] <shtylman> or what could be done in a different order to give the "illusion" of faster login
[17:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Kmail actually uses gpgme and it can use either gpg binary.
[17:24] <ScottK> Riddell: gnupg is in ubuntu-minimal, so I think we'd have to have a really good reason to switch.
[17:24]  * ScottK is out for a bit.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> shtylman: ok will look and get back on weekend
[17:25] <shadeslayer> shtylman: i think we can comment out kcminputrc Mouse cursorTheme 'Oxygen_Black' << since we use our own defaults
[17:25] <shadeslayer> from startup scripts
[17:26] <shtylman> shadeslayer: most likely
[17:26] <shtylman> but be mindful of weird sideeffects :)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ofcourse...
[17:27] <Quintasan> \o/
[17:27]  * Riddell would be very reluctant to remove bits from startkde without upstream approval
[17:27] <Quintasan> new bluetooth stack for KDE
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah we will consult with upstream ;)
[17:27]  * shtylman would agree with Riddell (but we can always run it by upstream)
[17:28] <shtylman> the problem is that upstream's focus isn't on improved login speed but more on eyecandy :p
[17:28] <shadeslayer> totally
[17:29]  * Quintasan is packaging bluedevilz
[17:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's already being packaged
[17:29] <Riddell> by freinhard and someone in debian
[17:29] <Quintasan> oh god
[17:29] <Quintasan> okay
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: maverick is broken, cant continue with packaging
[17:33] <Quintasan> what is broken?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> some package needs to be introduced again
[17:34]  * Quintasan hates when people say something is broken not providing details
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan:  libtimedate-perl
[17:35] <shadeslayer> that needs to be published
[17:35] <shadeslayer> i was checking the logs :P
[17:35] <Riddell> libtimedate-perl is in now
[17:35] <Riddell> kde bits now waiting on new libxine
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:36]  * sheytan food time
[17:36] <shadeslayer> 1.2000  ... wow .. nice version :P
[17:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hurray for the new website :)
[17:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: well, we're no there yet
[17:42] <Riddell> almost though
[17:42] <ryanakca> *nod*
[17:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: see, your "broken" was solved without me taking any actions
[17:43] <Quintasan> :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix0r kdelibs-svn then ;)
[17:44] <p_masho> anyone help.. kde crashed on startup http://pastebin.com/Vt1H07HP
[17:44] <shadeslayer> or help me finish my Project report :P
[17:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I pick skateboarding then
[17:44] <Quintasan> I can't do pythonz
[17:44] <shadeslayer> hahaha :D
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: go to #kubuntu and help people there ;)
[17:46] <p_masho> I've disabled  [Compositing] Exabled =False
[17:46] <p_masho> and ibus seems to be running...
[18:03]  * sheytan is back.
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: around?
[18:30] <ScottK> Riddell: How goes Xine?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> !pbuilder
[19:34] <stalcup> <3 pbuilder
[19:35] <maco> is mav shipping knm or pwnm?
[19:36] <Riddell> ScottK: xine compiled on arm and i386
[19:36] <Riddell> looks like it's in the archive too
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> maco: pwnm
[19:36] <maco> JontheEchidna: ok
[19:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.
[19:36] <ScottK> You going to hit retry or should I?
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> though I wouldn't go as far as to say it pwn's at the moment :P
[19:37] <Riddell> ScottK: doing it
[19:37] <ScottK> Great.
[19:37] <maco> so if i want to try to make 3G work with kubuntu mav, i should try poking pwnm instead of knm
[19:37] <Riddell> maco: I don't think either has any paticular support for it
[19:38] <stalcup> Riddell: what do I need to do about the two updates I linked you?
[19:38] <maco> Riddell: the configuration tool they share recognizes my device, but the configuration thing sucks
[19:38] <maco> Riddell: it asks questions that users cant answer and neither can the stores that sell the SIMs
[19:38] <Riddell> stalcup: which ones are those?
[19:38] <stalcup> artwork and accessability
[19:39] <Riddell> stalcup: nothing I don't think we'll get RC 3 packages out anywhere, 4.5 final is due for tagging today
[19:39] <stalcup> ah, fantastic!
[19:39] <stalcup> good practice at least
[19:39] <maco> Riddell: the nm-applet has a wizard that pulls data from the mobile-broadband-provider-info package so you just say your country, then it asks which provider in that country, you pick which one, then it asks which of that providers' plans, and then it sets everything up for you
[19:40] <maco> Riddell: but when i said "poking" i meant "coding" ;-)
[19:40] <maco> or "writing a patch for"
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> maco: if you're interested, the config dialog bits are in libs/internals
[19:40] <maco> JontheEchidna: which source package?
[19:41] <Riddell> maco: this guy is adding support for modems, investigating the status is somewhere on my todo http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2010/06/full-support-to-modem-manager-04-in.html
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> maco: plasma-widget-networkmanager
[19:42] <maco> JontheEchidna: ok
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> which is a bit confusing since knm is built from the same source
[19:43] <Riddell> http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2010/07/plasma-nm-testing-mode.html suggests progress but not anything for distros yet
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I think something's wrong here: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/staging/+build/1893255
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> it's been stuck there for 2 hours on a 5 minute build
[19:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: time to upload ~ppa2 :)
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> probably :)
[19:44] <maco> Riddell: the *99#  was one of those things it asks about that the person at the store couldnt answer ;-)
[19:45] <maco> also, the ANP
[19:45] <maco> nm-applet filled those in properly on its own thanks to the xml file in the package i named before (it lists the ANPs)
[19:57] <CIA-98> [muon] aacid * 1156237 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/Messages.sh take into account the rc.cpp in the xgettext line otherwise it won't get used remove the rm rc.cpp line as it's not needed at all
[19:59] <sheytan> Hey guys
[19:59] <sheytan> shadeslayer Riddlle http://a.imageshack.us/img843/8484/kubuntu1.jpg
[20:00] <sheytan> how do you like this one? :D
[20:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: feature page?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> or home page?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> and decide on one already :P
[20:02] <sheytan> It's a mine page about Kubuntu
[20:02] <maco> sheytan: highlighting Riddell works better when you spell his name right
[20:02] <shadeslayer> hehe ^
[20:02] <shadeslayer> maco: need to talk to you for a sec in PM, ok with you?
[20:02] <sheytan> maco i can't remember how it's written, sorry
[20:02] <shadeslayer> sheytan: just use tab complete
[20:02] <maco> sheytan: thats what tab key is for
[20:02] <maco> shadeslayer: yep
[20:02] <shadeslayer> !tab | sheytan
[20:03] <sheytan> ok, will remember ;)
[20:03] <sheytan> thnaks
[20:35] <rbelem> hey guys, have you seen agateau?
[20:36] <maco> nope not in a while
[20:36] <Riddell> rbelem: agateau is on holiday this week
[20:37] <Riddell> rbelem: I looked at your patch and couldn't fault it, but agateau would probably be better for a closer examination
[20:38] <rbelem> ah ok :-)
[20:39] <rbelem> Riddell, np, but do you think it is ok?
[20:39] <Riddell> rbelem: as far as I can see yet
[20:39] <Riddell> yes
[20:39] <rbelem> cool :-)
[20:40] <Riddell> rbelem: of course it doesn't do users much good without a UI :)
[20:41] <rbelem> eheheh
[20:41] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that the kdenetwork/filesharing will be faster after that patch hit the trunk
[20:44] <Riddell> rbelem: yes with a good API it should be just be making use of the hard work you've done
[20:44] <Riddell> rbelem: do you know if we should take a new snapshot of plasma-mobile to package?
[20:44] <rbelem> Riddell, the patch become much bigger than the initial version
[20:45] <rbelem> Riddell, yep
[20:45] <rbelem> Riddell, i did not update some days ago because it was segfaulting
[20:47] <Riddell> rbelem: but it should be ok now?
[20:48] <rbelem> Riddell, yep, :-) the latest changes were awesome :-)
[20:52] <rbelem> Riddell, i will update the package today. should i proceed filling a new bug for that?
[20:54] <Riddell> rbelem: cool, filing a bug would work yes
[20:55] <Riddell> and posting ithere
[20:55] <Riddell> and posting it here
[20:55] <rbelem> Riddell, is the latest bug description and other fields ok? Is there any procedure to follow?
[20:55] <rbelem> cool
[20:56] <Riddell> rbelem: the main procedure is just to find someone with access rights to upload it
[20:56] <Riddell> you can use any mechanism to get the files to one of us, a bug is just a way of doing that
[20:58] <rbelem> Riddell, sweet
[20:58] <rbelem> :-)
[20:59] <rbelem> Riddell, these days i will restart the kdm-plasma work
[21:00] <rbelem> and i will ask asac to build images :-)
[21:05] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep.. bye guys ..
[21:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: bye
[21:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: send me a ping when maverick gets fix0red
[21:05] <shadeslayer> and how come you didnt go for skateboarding?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:06] <Quintasan> I went skateboarding
[21:06] <Quintasan> It's 10 pm here now
[21:06] <Quintasan> :O
[21:06] <shadeslayer> oh i see
[21:06] <shadeslayer> its 1.30 AM
[21:06] <shadeslayer> here .. :P
[21:20] <Riddell> rbelem: kdm-plasma?  what's that?
[21:21] <rbelem> Riddell, a gsoc project :-)
[21:21] <rbelem> Riddell, http://sreich.blogspot.com/2010/06/kdm-plasma-update.html
[21:22] <rbelem> Riddell, svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/kdm-plasma/kdm
[21:24] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm making some changes to kdebase-workspace package to allow kdm-plasma build outside of it
[21:25] <rbelem> but i stopped to focus on ksambashare
[21:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: Kaffeine doesn't use Phonon?
[21:38] <maco> Tm_T: nope, xine directly
[21:38] <Tm_T> interesting, it were using Phonon at some point I thought
[21:39] <Tm_T> I wonder if it's due to DVB
[21:41] <Riddell> Tm_T: the website has some feable excuse
[21:44] <Tm_T> so much I have missed since I stopped following more closely
[21:44] <Riddell> rbelem: I wonder if a LightDM frontend would be easier than touching KDM code
[21:45] <Riddell> LightDM is a new project by someone on Canonical's desktop team
[21:45] <Riddell> DM frontend and backend separated by nice dbus interface and codebase is surprisingly small but does more than KDM as far as I can tell
[21:46] <Riddell> (just a random thought)
[21:46] <shtylman> what is light dm?
[21:46] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that would be easier, but we will need an on screen keyboard
[21:46] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... that's nice
[21:46] <Riddell> shtylman: new DM done by robert ancell
[21:47] <shtylman> gtk based?
[21:47] <Riddell> backend uses glib, frontends can be written for it in anything, he was wondering if KDE would be interested in making one
[21:48] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think kde will accept if we port it to plasma?
[21:48] <shtylman> why does it have a backend?
[21:48] <shtylman> its a dm...
[21:48] <shtylman> why isn't it all just a gui component?
[21:48] <Riddell> shtylman: all DMs have backend and frontend including KDM
[21:49] <shtylman> I see
[21:49] <Riddell> rbelem: too early to say, KDM isn't too well maintained but it would need to be shown that lightdm is notably better
[21:49] <shtylman> heh
[21:50] <shtylman> if this lightdm can replace kdm and ksplash I am all for it :)
[21:50] <Riddell> not ksplash only kdm
[21:51] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that would be nice if we take this as a kubuntu project :-)
[21:52] <maco> and then you only need to know 1 dbus command for logging out when your mouse stops working, whether you use kde or gnome!
[21:52] <Riddell> rbelem: I forwarded you the details by e-mail
[21:53] <rbelem> Riddell, cool :-)
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> looks like k3b needs a rebuild for the libmpcdec stuff. I'll do it if nobody has already (I don't see anything on LP)
[21:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: please do
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:09] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: that qapt build stucked a little:P
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:37] <Quintasan> gah I'm bored
[22:43] <yofel> Quintasan: watch out, nigelb said that too once, now he has to review patches :P
[22:43] <Quintasan> lol
[22:45] <dantti> ScottK: Riddell, JontheEchidna the final new ui http://imagebin.ca/view/KvngI7E.html  liked it? could be better?
[22:45] <dantti> *just for updates...
[23:00] <shtylman> dantti: maybe less nesting? kinda feels like there are too many "boxes"
[23:02] <dantti> shtylman: what do you mean? don't get it
[23:03] <shtylman> the "details" area.. is a frame.. and in it is another frame... and all of that appears to be in a frame... all inside of a frame for the particulat package
[23:04] <shtylman> basically all the blue stuff
[23:04] <shtylman> is like 3 or 4 frames it appears
[23:05] <shtylman> just makes it seem "cluttered" imho ... but dunno what much you could do about it
[23:05] <dantti> shadeslayer: what do you suggest? removing the ktextbbrowser?
[23:06] <dantti> make the background of the text transparent?
[23:34] <sheytan_> good night everyone :)


[00:01] <oerheks> install wireshark to see that traffic?
[00:02] <leftyfb> LionFish401: https://afteracademy.com/blog/what-is-dhcp-and-how-does-it-work
[00:05] <LionFish401> How can I use SWAP space to supplament a lack of physical RAM chips?
[00:09] <oerheks> LionFish401, one can control swapiness, but it will make your system horribly slower. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F
[00:09] <oerheks> specially with a browser
[00:17]  * ForeverNoob[m] uploaded an image: (29KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/FqddwLWIXBWXYKgkiuwZrEXY/Screenshot_Ubuntu_Server_22.04.1_2022-10-30_21%3A36%3A32.png >
[00:17] <ForeverNoob[m]> This is an excellent feature! Thanks Ubuntu devs!
[00:19] <LionFish401> What is that?
[00:19] <LionFish401> A custom service restarter?
[00:19] <LionFish401> Either way it looks good
[00:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> @LionFish401
[00:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> Oops. Anyway yeah after I updated it presented me with this prompt.
[00:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> It's a fresh 22.04.1 Server install in a VM.
[00:29] <LionFish401> nice
[01:30]  * ForeverNoob[m] uploaded an image: (13KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/OFDSRWFVKwLTsRmgnNztypYH/Screenshot_Ubuntu_Server_22.04.1_2022-10-31_02%3A26%3A55.png >
[01:30] <ForeverNoob[m]> This on the other hand tho...
[01:31] <ForeverNoob[m]> Like... I understand that it's a "minimized" version, but which server distro does not ship with ping :/
[01:48] <ForeverNoob[m]> And no `nc` either :O
[01:49] <ForeverNoob[m]> `dpkg -l | wc -l` results in 427 packages, so props to the Ubuntu team for enabling such a minimal install, but how would I even figure out why I don't have network access lol :D
[01:50]  * ForeverNoob[m] uploaded an image: (29KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/TOZDlTtavSBFNQBOxFmvpePc/Screenshot_Ubuntu_Server_22.04.1_2022-10-31_02%3A50%3A18__no_network.png >
[01:50] <ForeverNoob[m]> Like... how do I even deal with this? :D
[01:57] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Did you want help or are you just venting?
[01:58] <ForeverNoob[m]> @jhutchins: A bit of both I guess. I'm now trying the `unminimize` command and see how that goes.
[01:59] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Just the nic to highlight it for the user.  @ is for twits.
[01:59] <jhutchins> er, tweets that is.
[01:59] <ForeverNoob[m]> Oh huh, I didn't know my Matrix client was passing the "@" along. That's interesting.
[02:00] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: also, please don't post pictures here. Use imgur.com or something. The vast majority of this channel is on IRC. Not Matrix
[02:00] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Not sure what "minimized server" you installed, but I would think most would include networking.  I take it you have wifi.  Open ssid?
[02:00] <ForeverNoob[m]> jhutchins:libera.chat: Test. How does this nick mention look like?
[02:00] <jhutchins> Does the wifi do DHCP?
[02:01] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Higlighted properly, thanks.
[02:01] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: what did you install ubuntu on exactly? What hardware? VM? Docker? VPS?
[02:01] <jhutchins> (You can also drop the network, just "jhutchins" will do.  Most clients will autocomplete a current nic.
[02:02] <ForeverNoob[m]> leftyfb:libera.chat: Are they not hosted on an external URL like imgur pics are? The images should be hosted on matrix.org but I don't really know how it looks like from the IRC side.
[02:02] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: it looks like garbage
[02:02] <leftyfb> Matrix is the worst thing to ever happen to IRC
[02:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> jhutchins: Ah ok, that means my client is basically passing pretty much everything to IRC.
[02:04] <ForeverNoob[m]> leftyfb: Depends on the client perhaps :p
[02:04] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: right, in IRC client, Matrix looks like garbage. I'm sure it looks fine in Matrix clients
[02:05] <ForeverNoob[m]> Ok, I'll try to keep it as IRC compatible as possible then :)
[02:06] <ForeverNoob[m]> (I partially blame the Matrix ecosystem for not having a decent terminal client)
[02:07] <cartdrige> There must be an official Ubuntu channel on Matrix out of this one, maybe a non official on discord too, though discord is not open source.
[02:08] <JanC> even as graphical IRC goes, the Matrix people don't really seem to "grok" IRC  :)
[02:08] <JanC> but it's not really relevant here
[02:11] <ForeverNoob[m]> I'm just glad I can have a free IRC bouncer with added decentralized features on top ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:11] <ForeverNoob[m]> But indeed, pretty off-topic for here I think.
[02:11] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: irssi is pretty much the definitive text client for irc.  Very adaptable and customizable, easy to run in a screen or tmux session.
[02:11] <JanC> ForeverNoob[m]: if you think think the server disto doesn't include some necessary tools, it's probably better to discuss it in #ubuntu-server or so
[02:12] <jhutchins> On the other hand, getting basic networking connected ought to be topical enough.
[02:12] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: what did you install ubuntu on exactly? What hardware? VM? Docker? VPS?
[02:12] <jhutchins> Might not be anybody qualified though.
[02:13] <cartdrige> If you're sick of irssi, try bitchx :
[02:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> leftyfb: It's a VM, and the image is `ubuntu-22.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso`
[02:13] <jhutchins> cartdrige: Does it do non-GUI?
[02:13] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: a VM on what hypervisor?
[02:13] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: and what OS is the host running?
[02:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> KVM / Qemu via virt-manager. Host = Ubuntu 18.04
[02:14] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: the lack of network is due to your KVM network settings
[02:14] <cartdrige> jhutchins, it's a joke, it's an old linux textmode client. i think it's not even packaged anymore on Ubuntu.
[02:14] <ForeverNoob[m]> That's strange, during installation it had networking just fine.
[02:15] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: how did you determine that?
[02:15] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Good luck.
[02:16] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: I would recommend installing without the "minimal" config
[02:16] <ForeverNoob[m]> leftyfb: At one point it said that subiquity installer was out of date, and whether I wanted to download an update, which I did.
[02:19] <ForeverNoob[m]> These are the current networking settings: https://0x0.st/oY9Y.png
[02:21] <JanC> downloading that update might actually lead to the install failing   :P
[02:21] <ForeverNoob[m]> Oh wut
[02:21] <JanC> it was obviously never testen on systems with limited disk space...
[02:22] <JanC> tested
[02:22] <JanC> none of subiquity was
[02:22] <ForeverNoob[m]> I assigned it a 20 G virtual drive though
[02:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> `du -hs /` only came up with 4.3 G
[02:26] <JanC> then it should be fine I guess (even if 4.3G is insane for a basic server install)
[02:28] <ForeverNoob[m]> Compared to my usual Ubuntu installations I was actually quite impressed by that figure :p
[02:28] <ForeverNoob[m]> (though most of those installations were admittedly aimed for the desktop)
[02:30] <JanC> not that long ago, an Ubuntu desktop install was <3 GB
[02:32] <felipe> /nivk spirox
[02:34] <spirox> /list
[02:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> JanC: How long ago was that though? I somewhat remember vanilla 16.04 being pretty storage beefy.
[02:42] <JanC> it depends on the desktop you choose etc.
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu core i hear good things about for a minimal desk
[02:46] <arraybolt3> I actually am one of the main testing guys for it, and it looks extremely good for a minimal system.
[02:47] <arraybolt3> The one tricky part is that you have to install a web browser yourself, since it comes with just shy of *nothing*. Which is the whole point.
[02:47] <JanC> arraybolt3: so how much disk space does it need ?
[02:48] <arraybolt3> ...I actually haven't checked...
[02:48] <arraybolt3> I know it fits quite comfortably on my 16 GB converted Chromebook.
[02:48] <arraybolt3> Here lemme check real quick, I have an ISO right here.
[02:49] <arraybolt3> The ISO is 1.3 GB, which makes it dwarfed even by Lubuntu.
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> i know ubuntu needs 8GB+ free disk to install, does xubuntu core give a warning arraybolt3 ?
[02:49] <arraybolt3> Let's find out.
[02:49] <JanC> (to be fair one of my main problem with the subiquity server installer is that it will happily start installing an Ubuntu server on a 4 GiB disk, and than crash out without a proper error message because it runs out of disk space...)
[02:50] <Bashing-om> Guys: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ :D
[02:50] <arraybolt3> ^ +1
[02:51] <arraybolt3> That's where I download it from. Unit193 is one of the main Xubuntu developers (and also happens to be Libera.Chat staff too).
[02:51] <JanC> so I was rather looking for a proper server installer...
[02:52] <arraybolt3> JanC: Oh. Hmm... If the server installer isn't working, I'm not sure if there's a whole lot you can do about that.
[02:52] <JanC> arraybolt3: it's completely ridiculous
[02:53] <ForeverNoob[m]> I asked in the #ubuntu-server channel, and if I don't find any luck there I'll just install it again (but this time the "unminimized" version)
[03:01] <arraybolt3> OK so Xubuntu Core leaves about 956 MB of space if you install it on an 8 GiB disk.
[03:01] <arraybolt3> s/MB/MiB/ (because that matters in 2022 Linux Land, grumble)
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> thats bigger then i expected arraybolt3
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> tnx for testing it
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> ive tested that on earlier lubuntu releases on a 8GB ssd, but i couldnt get past the 8GB warning, even if lubuntu installed less
[03:29] <arraybolt3> Bigger than I thought too. I guess Ubuntu isn't the best for super minimal machines.
[03:29] <arraybolt3> I have an Arch installation that fits in under 4 GB... but this is #ubuntu-discuss territory I think.
[03:53] <arraybolt3> !ping
[03:53] <arraybolt3> Great my server fell over.
[04:35] <ForeverNoob[m]> Found the culprit: I set my VPN client to deny all LAN connections. Apparently this also includes VM networking :(
[04:50] <Kartagis> !logs
[04:51] <ApOgEE> exit
[04:55] <Kartagis> hi. my laptop doesn't hibernate. the output of ( sudo lsblk --fs; cat /etc/default/grub; cat  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume; sudo update-initramfs -u) | nc termbin.com 999 is at https://termbin.com/x0xo. help please?
[04:56] <Dell22-04> Oh no, the Dell is now dong what my lapwas doing on 18.04 - Ubuntu has an internal error.
[04:57] <Dell22-04> and again. havent done anything else.
[07:34] <cluelessperson_> How can I disable a specific multimedia key in ubuntu?
[07:34] <cluelessperson_> I want to use the multimedia "favorites" key for something else.
[07:36] <murmel> cluelessperson_: a good writeup is https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1218221&s=8c8a0313728ff6e99bdb9a721156406c&p=7675138#post7675138
[08:01] <rameur> test
[10:34] <beuys> Hello! Day 3 of tinkering with Linux distros is about to begin :)
[10:34] <beuys> I wonder why "find / -type f | wc -l" finds about a million files on the distros I tried. Are there really so many regular files in a normal Linux setup?
[10:36] <ogra> a million souns a bit exaggerated ... but yeah, there are quite a lot of files
[10:38] <kkkssf> gues lot of these files are sysfs stuff
[10:38] <kkkssf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs
[10:38] <ogra> beuys, though there is one thing you should lern about linux/unix systems ... "everything is a file" ... that means you will also find representations of your hardware on the filesystm, and there is probably a ton of files that just provide switches and toggles for these devices
[10:39] <ogra> so not every file you see is actually a physical file
[10:39] <ogra> ... but a file representation of a setting or a device
[10:40] <ogra> like kkkssf said, there are the /proc and the /sys filesystems that provide the above, in a "find" call you should exclude these dirs
[10:41] <ogra> (also /dev should be excluded)
[10:43] <kkkssf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procfs
[10:44] <kkkssf> on my system procfs + sysfs are about 300k virtual files
[11:04] <ogra> yep ... and probably another few 100 in /dev
[11:05] <beuys> kkkssf: "df -i" might show the number of real files. Under "IUsed".
[11:34] <geirha> if you add -xdev after / it will avoid descending into other filesystems, like /proc and /sys
[11:45] <beuys> geirha: That brings it down to 300k files.
[11:45] <beuys> geirha: Same ballpark "df -i" outputs under IUsed.
[11:46] <beuys> What might be the better number? "df -i" IUsed or "find / -type f -xdev | wc"?
[11:46] <beuys> Without the "-type f" the numbers are very close together.
[11:48] <ogra> without the -type f you are cunting symlinks to actual files i.e. non-physical files that just point to another file
[11:48] <beuys> ogra: Which might be intended.
[11:48] <geirha> and the find will count hardlinks to the same file multiple times
[11:48] <ogra> right
[12:18] <pasiz[m]> hardlinks are from evil in fs housekeeping
[12:20] <FKAShinobi> Are there any known issues with file roller not handling bzip2 files correctly?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> !info bzip2 | FKAShinobi
[12:25] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: Thanks. I ran across an issue where file roller errors on unpacking a bzip2 file and the command line works fine. I wasn't sure if this was already known.
[12:26] <bitbinge> Should I expect that a volume knob on a gaming keyboard will work under Linux?
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: dont see a bug on it right away; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller?field.searchtext=bzip2&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> field.has_no_package=
[12:30] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: The following file does not unpack via file roller on Ubuntu 22.04. https://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/opnsense/releases/mirror/OPNsense-22.7-OpenSSL-dvd-amd64.iso.bz2
[12:31] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: can you confirm on your end?
[12:31] <FKAShinobi> Command line seems to work without issue.
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: thats what the opnsense tut says; You will need to use a software like 7zip to extract the ISO image from the BZ2 package.
[12:34] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: Wouldn't that include file roller?
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: fileroller doesnt handle all extensions, some cases you will need an extra package/sotware
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:37] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: fair enough, but that is not obvious. If bzip2 is not supported then it should not present the extract option for those files.
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: actualy, i just unpacked your bz2 file to an .iso with fileroller
[12:38] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: hmmmm with 20.04?
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> no, 22.04
[12:38] <FKAShinobi> It may have been fixed already.
[12:39] <FKAShinobi> I hope it gets backported to 20.04
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: im on version; 3.42.0-1
[12:40] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: I'm on 3.36.3-stable
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> !backports | FKAShinobi maybe try
[12:41] <FKAShinobi> Thanks!
[14:33] <jhutchins> Has anybody mentioned that real posix applications don't care about filenames?
[14:33] <jhutchins> ie extensions?
[14:49] <sarnold> bash command line completions do care, though, which is insanely frustrating at times :(
[14:51] <jhutchins> That can probably be tweaked.
[14:51] <Kartagis> hi. my laptop doesn't hibernate. the output of ( sudo lsblk --fs; cat /etc/default/grub; cat  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume; sudo update-initramfs -u) | nc termbin.com 999 is at https://termbin.com/x0xo. help please?
[14:51] <jhutchins> sarnold: You mean when it's completing a command for a specific app?
[14:52] <sarnold> jhutchins: yeah
[15:20] <cosmicrajiv> hello. just i have updated my ubuntu 22.04.1 and after the update ubuntu is not4 using nvidia driver. also after the update, gnome automatically switches from xorg to wayland. I did change it again to xorg but nvidia is still not usable. this is the output of nvidia-smi and the newest kernel.
[15:22] <cosmicrajiv> hello. just i have updated my ubuntu 22.04.1 and after the update ubuntu is not4 using nvidia driver. also after the update, gnome automatically switches from xorg to wayland. I did change it again to xorg but nvidia is still not usable. this is the output of nvidia-smi and the newest kernel https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5DxPpNjnsk/plain/
[15:23] <ravage> cosmicrajiv, try "sudo ubuntu-drivers list"
[15:24] <cosmicrajiv> ravage, ok
[15:25] <ravage> what nvidia card is this? if it is a more or less recent one you can do "sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-520" if it is in the list
[15:25] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HRtZQ7YtRX/plain/
[15:25] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: rtx 3050
[15:25] <ravage> i would call that recent :P
[15:25] <ravage> try the install command
[15:26] <cosmicrajiv> install with?
[15:26] <ravage> "sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-520"
[15:26] <cosmicrajiv> ok
[15:26] <cosmicrajiv> sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-520
[15:27] <cosmicrajiv> sorry
[15:28]  * peacefulman struggles to fin dthe PHP logs in 20.04.
[15:28] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H7BbDZQRgh/plain/
[15:29] <ravage> mhm
[15:30] <ravage> 1 sec
[15:30] <cosmicrajiv> mhm?
[15:30] <cosmicrajiv> ok
[15:31] <ravage> can you paste the output of "dpkg -l|grep 'ii '|grep nvidia" ?
[15:31] <cosmicrajiv> ok
[15:32] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t57sZYhN8t/plain/
[15:32] <jhutchins> peacefulman: PHP does not necessarily log unless you tell it to.
[15:33] <jhutchins> peacefulman: Check the configuration section of your code to see where it thinks it's supposed to write them.
[15:33] <ravage> cosmicrajiv, now "sudo apt --reinstall install nvidia-dkms-515 nvidia-driver-515"
[15:34] <ravage> see if that builds the module without errors
[15:34] <cosmicrajiv> ok
[15:40] <Kartagis> can you help with my hibernation problem?
[15:41] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: should i restart?
[15:44] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: its working now
[15:44] <ravage> 👍
[15:44] <cosmicrajiv> ravage thanks
[15:47] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: by the way why its happened?
[15:47] <ravage> i have no idea really. i never did an upgrade to 22.04 with my nvidia card
[15:48] <ravage> it should have just worked
[15:48] <cosmicrajiv> you mean your still using 20.04.xx?
[15:48] <ravage> no
[15:48] <ravage> i did a fresh install of 22.04
[15:49] <cosmicrajiv> so you are still on 22.04 instead of 22.04.1?
[15:50] <ravage> oh it stopped working from 22.04 to .1 for you?
[15:50] <ravage> i though the upgrade was from 20.04
[15:50] <cosmicrajiv> actually i did a fresh install of 22.04.1 and everything works well. its just after today after upgrading
[15:51] <ravage> that is even more strange. i did not have any problems with updates here really
[15:51] <ravage> lets just hope it will not happen again i guess
[15:52] <cosmicrajiv> ravage: yeah. i guess that too.
[15:55] <ogra> i did upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 here with a GTX970 ... worked flawless
[16:33] <dust> firefox
[16:33] <dust> XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /snap/firefox/2045/usr/lib/firefox/libmozgtk.so:
[16:33] <dust> Couldn't load XPCOM.
[16:41] <ogra> dust, what release/kernel are you on ?
[16:41] <dust> ogra, 22.10
[16:43] <ogra> did you by chance try a 6.x kernel ? (that has known broken squashfs drivers currently)
[16:43] <ogra> that squashfs bug could result in files not being found (or eding up corrupt in ram after loading them)
[16:50] <Kartagis> how do we overcome dependency issues with dpkg?
[16:50] <dust> ogra, liquorix has a 6.x kernel... but it worked before i just did an ff update...
[16:51] <ogra> dust, it worked by luck ... the bug shows up intermitting ...
[16:51] <ogra> dust, dont use 6.x with snaps for now ... i think 6.2 will have the fix though
[16:52] <dust> ogra, thx for the info
[16:53] <ogra> dust, for reference<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:20] <blindspot> hi there
[17:20] <ShahNaim> hi
[17:22] <blindspot> ok, just wallking around, but how i can change fonts size here
[17:24] <Kartagis> how do we overcome dependency issues with dpkg?
[17:27] <leftyfb> Kartagis: please provide details like which release of Ubuntu you are running the packages and their vesions you are having an issue with and pastebin the error messages you have encountered along with the commands you are running.
[17:27] <leftyfb> blindspot: are you asking how to change the font size in the IRC client you are using that you haven't told us?
[17:28] <blindspot> Oh, yes. Sorry. HexChat i have installed.
[17:29] <leftyfb> blindspot: what have you tried so far?
[17:31] <blindspot> i've checked the settings but i can't see any option for size changing
[17:35] <Kartagis> leftyfb: 22.04.1, stremio_4.4.137-1_amd64.deb, http://paste.debian.net/1259083/
[17:38] <ogra> Kartagis, dont use dpkg, use apt ...
[17:38] <ogra> ((((that will instll missing dependencies)
[17:38] <Kartagis> ogra: even with .deb files?
[17:38] <ogra> yes
[17:40] <leftyfb> Kartagis: also, submit a bug with stremio to setup a proper repository or better yet, get them to add their software into the debian and ubuntu repo's or even better yet, get them to create a snap and submit it to the snap store
[17:40] <ogra> 👍
[17:41] <ogra> Kartagis, first hit on google for me ("streamio on ubuntu") https://www.how2shout.com/linux/install-stremio-streaming-app-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts-jammy/ ... also points to using apt
[17:42] <ogra> (oh man ... that tutorial screams "make me a snap")
[17:51] <Kartagis> I did use apt too but it somehow doesn't install
[17:57] <blindspot> hi there
[18:44] <segamain> I'm trying to initialize a .ovpn file with openvpn. I typed in this 'openvpn -- config <.ovpnfile>' and I get this 'Options error: Unrecognized option or missing or extra parameter(s) in [CMD-LINE]:1: config (2.4.7)
[18:44] <segamain> '
[18:45] <segamain> what am I doing wrong?
[18:46] <ravage> the space between -- and config
[18:48] <segamain> ravage I still get the Error: 'Options error: Unrecognized option or missing or extra parameter(s) in [CMD-LINE]:1: config (2.4.7)
[18:48] <segamain> Use --help for more information.'
[18:58] <segamain> should I go on a different channel, it doesn't seem like an ubuntu problem to me
[18:58] <segamain> ?
[19:10] <segamain> ok now I get this 'Options error: Unrecognized option or missing or extra parameter(s) in starting_point_segamain.ovpn:12: data-ciphers-fallback (2.4.7)
[19:10] <segamain> Use --help for more information.'
[19:13] <stef_> hola
[19:20] <segamain> this is the config file I think it's calling out errors but I don't know which ones https://pastebin.com/f5Juyqex
[19:58] <xipper> Do you guys know if an update is coming to Ubuntu 18.04 tomorrow for the latest OpenSSL vulnerability?
[20:05] <oerheks> xipper, no confirmation yet, but i guess it will.
[20:05] <xipper> oerheks: thanks
[20:06] <oerheks> https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2022-October/000238.html
[20:13] <bittin> got my other Ubuntu MATE shirt today
[20:14] <xipper> My servers are actually using OpenSSL 1.1 so I guess I an good?
[20:23] <ravage> this is basically just a release announcement with the additional spoiler "we did a big whoopsie" but we wont tell you what yet. my guess is that there will be fixes for older versions too
[20:23] <ravage> we will see
[20:24] <varaindemian> how an I update to Gnome 43? I am on Ubuntu 22.04
[20:24] <ravage> you dont
[20:25] <tomreyn> !latest | varaindemian
[20:25] <varaindemian> I know
[20:25] <varaindemian> I still want gnome 43
[20:25] <varaindemian> that's all
[20:25] <varaindemian> :))
[20:25] <ravage> update to 22.10
[20:25] <oerheks> upgrade to 22.10 Kinetic for gnome 43
[20:26] <varaindemian> Other options?
[20:26] <varaindemian> Like a repo for this?
[20:27] <ravage> no
[20:28] <varaindemian> :(
[20:28] <varaindemian> rip
[20:46] <ioria> varaindemian,  i'd try flatpak gnome-boxes
[20:46] <varaindemian> ioria: hmm
[20:47] <ioria> varaindemian, https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.Boxes
[20:47] <ogra> any reason to not just snap install gnome-bboxes ?
[20:47] <ioria> it's 42
[20:47] <ogra> (at least you get something canonical maintained with that)
[20:47] <ogra> ah
[20:48]  * ogra didnt get that this was about the 43 version of gnome-boxes
[20:48] <ogra> (i though it was about running gnome 43 in boxes 🙂 )
[20:48] <varaindemian> so you suggest to install a virual machine to get gnome?
[20:48] <ogra> i guess ioria ment to use a VM to not trash yur main install
[20:48] <ogra> *your
[20:49] <ioria> yep
[20:49] <ogra> why not just upgrade to 22.10 ?
[21:01] <dante> Guys how do you search with grep for TEXT space TEXT?
[21:01] <dante> so it's a text with 2 words with space between them
[21:01] <dante> specifically I am using pdfgrep but I suppose it's the same with grep
[21:05] <jhutchins> dante: Try quoting the string including the space, or using standard "escape" characters like text\ text
[21:06] <jhutchins> dante: If that fails, check the man page.
[21:28] <dante> that didnt work jhutchins
[21:34] <arraybolt3> dante: Does pdfgrep have a man page? Try "man pdfgrep" and see if it has anything interesting.
[21:56] <jhutchins> dante: You may actually have to dive in to "Regular Expressions".
[22:02] <jhutchins> I wonder what pdfgrep does if your pdf is 100% graphical?
[22:04] <jhutchins> The 'strings' command might also be useful, and could be piped through (e)grep.
[22:05] <Enissay> I have many videos in a folder, is there any easy way to check their total duration at once ?
[22:07] <jhutchins> Enissay: No.
[22:08] <jhutchins> Enissay: File size does not equal (is not directly proportionate to) runtime, runtime is often in the metadata, but not in a way that would be easy to parse and total.
[22:09] <Enissay> Grrrrr, thank you ;-)
[22:18] <ogra> you could probably script something through ffmpeg to get the lenght
[22:19] <ogra> Enissay, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/587646/how-to-get-the-total-duration-of-all-video-files-in-current-folder-and-sub-direc
[22:20] <ogra> (first hit on google 🙂 )
[22:22] <Enissay> ogra: Haha, I have already looked and user a different search which didnt yield what I wanted...
[22:22] <Enissay> Then I made my own loop to get it xD
[22:22] <Enissay> ogra: Thanks
[22:22] <ogra> 🙂
[22:23] <Enissay> Though, the question was if anything can show it directly... I recall, in windows, VLC tells me the total duration when I drag a folder to it
[22:23] <Enissay> I tried here and didnt show anything
[22:23] <Enissay> Anyhow
[22:29] <mak> helo!
[22:46] <sybariten> good evening!  How do i typically check whether or not there is a newer version of a piece of software out there, without necessary doing the update? To get an idea of how far behind i am
[22:47] <sybariten> We can take git as an example. git --version at my place says 2.25.1
[22:52] <ravage> sybariten, you usually do not get any version updates within an Ubuntu release
[22:52] <ravage> only minor fixes and security updates
[22:52] <ravage> so your git version will stay more or less the same
[22:53] <Jeremy31> sybariten: in terminal>  apt policy {package-name}
[22:53] <Jeremy31> But that is only accurate after apt update otherwise it doesn't know what the current version is
[22:55] <igiag> hi
[23:43] <sybariten> ravage: oh! I have to admit i didnt know that, hehe.
[23:44] <sybariten> so i'll just.... leave it at that then.


[02:56] <snail> just had to add wikimedia admins by reaching into the mysql database and inserting a row. now i feel dirty.
[02:58] <mwhudson> i wouldn't recommend anything made out of php, mysql and baling twine as a way to feel clean
[19:15] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:23] <Atamira> morning
[20:15] <olly_> morning
[20:21] <ajmitch> morning
[20:55] <mwhudson> morning
[22:09] <thumper> morning
[22:12] <mwhudson> thumper: weather awful in dunedin yet?
[22:12] <thumper> yep, cold, hail and rain
[22:12] <mwhudson> who's next i wonder
[22:13] <mwhudson> hads: you're in canterbury somewhere?
[22:30] <olly_> it's due to hit wellington later apparently
[22:47] <snail> wellington is currently uniformly gloomy, but the harbour isn't as still as it was earlier
[22:49]  * olly_ can see a brighter bit out to the north
[22:49] <olly_> well, less gloomy anyway
[23:32] <chilts> I see grey sky only
[23:33] <chilts> wind and rain has died down
[23:33] <chilts> still reasonably cold
[23:48] <karora> Yeah, wind was northerly earlier, but the cold will come from the other direction...
[23:54] <kcj> Morning.
[23:55] <mwhudson> kcj: cutting it fine :)
[23:55] <kcj> :)
[23:56] <ibeardslee> I see AMD are getting all 64 bit ARM servers are coming


[05:05] <Mirv> the request from Saturday would still be needed - https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/13/%23ubuntu-release.html#t06:03 - at least running the failed unity-scope-click's unity8 tests with --all-proposed, I understand if you don't necessarily want to edit vorlon's hint (visible in update_output.txt)
[06:47] <flocculant> infinity: seems that xubuntu hasn't built since Saturday - not sure why
[07:10] <pishuilu> @all   The Ubuntu Kylin daily iso is not created successfully. The question is about python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat package. Kubuntu and Xubuntu have the same question. But Ubuntu and lubuntu daily iso is created susccessfully. What needs to be done to sovle this question? The URL is https://launchpadlibrarian.net/278816938buildlog_ubuntu_yakkety_amd64_ubuntukylin_BUILDING.txt.gz and
[07:10] <pishuilu> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/278982117/buildlog_ubuntu_yakkety_amd64_xubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:09] <ginggs> hi Laney, ubuntu's libphonenumber needs a fix for gcc6/boost1.61 - you uploaded a newer version to debian a year ago. is there any reason we shouldn't sync from debian?
[09:12] <Laney> hi ginggs
[09:12] <Laney> I don't know, the phone people like to patch that package so I would talk to them
[09:13] <Laney> Maybe it can be merged
[09:14] <ginggs> Laney: ok, thanks - speaking to the phone people first is a reason not to sync
[09:37] <Mirv> likewise --all-proposed for these unity8 tests http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#webbrowser-app
[09:42] <Laney> Mirv: going
[09:43] <Laney> let's see what is left
[09:48] <Laney> a lot of things are coming down to graphicsmagick
[09:48]  * Laney pokes
[10:00] <Mirv> Laney: I guess you can't update the manual hint from slangasek visible at update_output? it lacks some required newer versions.
[10:00] <Mirv> oh, not visible anymore, was still in the morning
[10:01] <Mirv> had these Version mismatch rows
[10:01] <Mirv> anyway, it looked like a good hint
[11:27] <Mirv> doh, webbrowser-app needs a no-change rebuild, on it. that was a weeks old silo that landed.
[11:28] <Laney> what for?
[11:29] <Mirv> it was compiled before Qt 5.6 landed in proposed and depends on the older private ABI
[11:29] <Mirv> I realized it thanks to your script, trying some apt commands
[11:33] <Mirv> ...or not. weird. so click throughing in LP got me to an older deb download, the control.tar.xz of which I examined. I didn't question it since the apt did claim webapp-container depending on qtbase-abi-5-5-1.
[11:33] <Laney> wait
[11:33] <Laney> It's fine, it depends on 5-6-1
[11:33] <Mirv> I know (now)
[11:33] <Laney> you just have to wait for it to pass excuses
[11:33] <Laney> update_output.txt is telling you about the webbrowser-app in yakkety-release
[11:35] <Mirv> oh well proposed seems broken anyway since oxide-qt has failed a build on armhf and arm64 which webbrowser depends on.
[11:35] <Mirv> armhf specifically, arm64 never worked on yakkety
[11:36] <Mirv> maybe that hybris dependency could be now filled, trying a rebuild of oxide
[11:45] <Mirv> hmm, I guess I can workaround that oxide for now, since oxide-qt is not required for the migration since it fortunately nowadays does not depend on the private ABI.
[11:45] <Mirv> filed a bug about that armhf FTBFS anyway, since it seems the dependencies are still unfilled
[11:56] <Laney> Mirv:  libhybris-common1 : Depends: libc6 (< 2.24) but 2.24-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:59] <Mirv> updated bug #1613257
[12:19] <kdub> Mirv, I can probably spare some cycles if you need any help on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/+bug/1613257, its blocking the mir release too, along with the oxide migration
[12:23] <Mirv> kdub: I don't have an idea how to fix that, it's likely we need morphis or someone else who knows about the hybris internals to know why glibc 2.24 is banned like that, and how big an issue to solve it would be
[12:24] <morphis> Mirv: is that in yakkety?
[12:24] <Mirv> morphis: yes
[12:24] <morphis> Mirv: we don't define that requirement in debian/control for libhybris
[12:25] <morphis> just for vivid we require gcc 4.7
[12:25] <kdub> morphis, so maybe a nochange-rebuild would fix?
[12:26] <morphis> yes
[12:26] <kdub> cool
[12:27] <kdub> I think there might be a way to nochange-rebuild without a silo? (but I'm not a debian/ubuntu maintainer, and don't know how to do that)
[12:28] <Mirv> I don't see thought where Laney got that, as I only see: Depends: libandroid-properties1, libc6 (>> 2.23), libc6 (<< 2.24), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.5), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2) in the latest yakkety armhf binary, but maybe a no-change rebuild could help
[12:30] <Laney> Then you do see it?
[12:32] <Mirv> Laney: thank you, now I do, I didn't when copy-pasting :D
[12:32] <Laney> :)
[12:33] <Mirv> I'm trying a no-change rebuild in a silo. Meanwhile, I restored the webbrowser-app for now.
[12:33] <Laney> restored?
[12:34] <Mirv> I managed to do that no-change upload before noticing the issue. Now I waved another magic wand to keep it possible for the Qt & KDE migration to happen.
[12:35] <Laney> I see webbrowser-app is building, but I'm not sure why it was necessary to do that
[12:37] <Mirv> it wasn't, originally, but since ubuntu2 bumped into oxide-qt/hybris glibc issue, ubuntu3 is a "restoration" of ubuntu1 so to speak, but still ok for migrations
[12:37]  * Mirv keeps alive the dream of Qt & KDE migration
[12:38] <Laney> Now it's going to re-trigger the unity8 tests
[12:38] <Mirv> however, this week it's also relevant to ask if that can happen now or if I should bite the bullet and eg upload that newer qtbase that's pending
[12:38] <Mirv> but I hope update_output.txt will be ready for another slangasek's hint attempt later today
[12:39] <Laney> I really wish you hadn't done that
[12:40] <Mirv> Laney: you'd rather like the error be visible, or you'd rather have just stayed with the 2 week old webbrowser-app that got binary copied to the proposed earlier today from silo?
[12:40] <Laney> what error?
[12:40] <Mirv> Laney: the ubuntu2 of webbrowser-app that revealed the oxide/libhybris issue
[12:40] <Mirv> ubuntu1 was the two week old build that was ok, and wouldn't have needed a rebuild (strictly). ubuntu3 is more or less the ubuntu1 again, so working.
[12:41] <Laney> I have no idea why webbrowser-app has anything to do with that
[12:41] <Mirv> Laney: it depends on oxide-qt, so can't build on armhf with oxide-qt from proposed
[12:42] <Laney> it was already built on armhf
[12:42] <Mirv> yes it was, using the older oxide-qt
[12:42] <Laney> so?
[12:43] <Mirv> so, nothing, it'd been better to just stay with ubuntu1 instead of juggling around, but now we at least have more bugs filed.
[12:44] <Laney> It looks like you made this one build without proposed anyway
[12:44] <Laney> so I have no idea what this has achieved other than wasting some time
[12:44] <Mirv> Laney: as said, ubuntu2 shouldn't have been done, so yes it's wasting some time, but it's at least not blocking anymore compared to if I had stayed with the broken ubuntu2
[12:44] <Laney> that was about to become a candidate for migration
[12:45] <Mirv> yes, it will be again in an hour or two.
[12:46] <Laney> Right, in future if I'm helping you then please ask before randomly uploading stuff that's going to change the state of play
[12:46] <Laney> now I better go run the tests with all-proposed
[12:47] <Mirv> I will ask, I'm just used to working mostly alone in the last 2.5 weeks, but now it has fortunately changed.
[12:48] <Laney> seems like the new kernel has to go in with all of this stuff too btw
[12:48] <Laney> I don't think any manual hinting will be required once that goes green
[12:49] <Mirv> Laney: ok I will start with double-checking https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-073/+sourcepub/6805016/+listing-archive-extra would look ok to binary copy to archives once the binaries are published. built against proposed, looks now proper >> 2.24, << 2.25
[12:50] <Laney> looks good, not related to this current migration though
[12:50] <Laney> it's going to get stuck along with glibc
[12:50] <Mirv> not related, but a broken oxide blocks touch developers none the less
[12:51] <Laney> ya
[12:51] <Laney> just saying, luckily they are separate
[12:51] <Laney> I wonder why it gets these weird depends on armhf only
[12:54] <Laney> right, I triggered unity8 with all-proposed again, for the new webbrowser-app ._.
[12:54]  * Laney goes to find a sandwich
[12:58] <Mirv> thank you, sorry :(
[12:59] <Mirv> it seems the previous i386 run failed with random flakiness so not much time actually wasted too either
[15:12]  * Laney cries, amd64 failed this time
[17:05] <slangasek> Mirv: my hint was superfluous, the autohinter is already showing the correct hint and output
[17:15] <Mirv> looks like unity8 amd64 succeeded now (20160815_171244)
[17:17] <Mirv> this earlier i386 failure may have been overlooked however http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scope-click - even though unity-scope-click should not be mandatory migrator (existing release pocket version should have no trouble with new Qt and friends)
[17:34] <slangasek> wxl: so the missing lubuntu-next builds are because for-project isn't recognizing lubuntu-next as a project; I guess something was missed there in the ubuntu-cdimage patch
[17:39] <jbicha> why does qt think it needs linux 4.6?
[17:59] <tsimonq2> slangasek: what do you think might be missing? I can send an updated MP your way.
[18:00] <slangasek> tsimonq2: haven't looked at it, but the error message is certainly suggestive
[18:00] <slangasek> for-project: error: unrecognised project 'lubuntu-next'
[18:01] <slangasek> tsimonq2: so, lib/cdimage/project.py project_map
[18:01] <tsimonq2> ok slangasek
[19:47] <bdmurray> slangasek: I've uploaded a new update-manager with virtualbox lts packages support
[19:47] <bdmurray> slangasek: for review in the Trusty SRU queue
[19:47] <slangasek> bdmurray: got it, thanks
[19:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: should the existing -proposed package be released first?
[19:54] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm not certain what would happen if the virtualbox packages were not in sync w/ X and the kernel.
[19:56] <tsimonq2> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/302964
[19:57] <slangasek> bdmurray: I think they'd get uninstalled, because e.g. virtualbox-guest-x11-lts-vivid Depends: xserver-xorg-core-lts-vivid
[19:58] <slangasek> bdmurray: however, as per https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-lts-vivid/+publishinghistory these packages only even landed in -updates this month... so I think the number of users who'll be impacted is fairly small
[19:58] <slangasek> and we could fix it almost immediately
[19:59] <slangasek> but if we go that way, we should definitely use a different SRU bug for this issue
[19:59] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: ^^ fwiw
[20:02] <slangasek> tsimonq2: merged
[20:03] <bdmurray> slangasek: I don't think the existing one in -proposed needs to be released first.
[20:03] <slangasek> ok
[20:03] <tsimonq2> slangasek: thanks
[20:04] <tsimonq2> slangasek: could you please trigger the build manually (instead of waiting for cron) to see if I need to fix anything else?
[20:05] <slangasek> tsimonq2: running
[20:05] <tsimonq2> thank you slangasek
[20:08] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I see it failed, haven't looked how/why, will let you investigate
[20:08] <tsimonq2> slangasek: where can I find the logs?
[20:14] <tsimonq2> slangasek: nvm I think I found it
[20:31] <tsimonq2> slangasek: nope, where is the build log?
[20:32] <tsimonq2> argh sorry I *did* find it
[20:37] <tsimonq2> hmmm "No valid suites to build for"
[20:43] <slangasek> tsimonq2: etc/default-arches ?
[20:44] <slangasek> (maybe)
[20:44] <slangasek> nah, the catch-all at the bottom should dtrt
[20:44] <tsimonq2> I'll check after lunch
[20:58]  * infinity fixes the project name.
[21:01] <infinity> slangasek: FWIW, you need to fix ~cdimage/cdimage/production/livefs-launchpad and the livefs itself also needs to be created in LP.
[21:02] <infinity> Also fixed the project name to not have a space, which debian-cd would end up barfing on after you fix the above. :P
[21:12] <tsimonq2> thanks infinity
[21:22] <infinity> slangasek: And https://launchpad.net/~adconrad/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/lubuntu-next created for you.
[21:24] <slangasek> infinity: hmm livefs-launchpad seems awfully redundant with default-arches, why do we need two of these?
[21:25] <infinity> slangasek: It's mapping project to lp livefs.  It could perhaps be done more intelligently.
[21:25] <infinity> (or, indeed, default-arches could perhaps grow a column)
[21:25] <slangasek> infinity: k. anyway, thanks
[21:26] <infinity> slangasek: When we were split across old-style builders and lp-buildd builders, production/livefs-* made more sense.
[21:27] <infinity> Err, pretend I didn't paste what I did above, but rather https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/lubuntu-next
[21:27]  * infinity fixed the owner... Derp.
[21:28] <slangasek> ;)
[21:30] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: what now?
[21:30] <slangasek> tsimonq2: basically, all the missing bits were things the cdimage team needed to do but only some of us know how to ;)
[21:31] <tsimonq2> ok slangasek :)
[21:31] <tsimonq2> slangasek: so etc/default-arches doesn't need to be edited I assume?
[21:32] <slangasek> tsimonq2: it does not
[21:33] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ok, so I don't need to do anything else?
[21:34] <infinity> tsimonq2: Not until you hit the next failure. ;)
[21:34] <infinity> But the current batch of failures was on us.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> hehehehehe
[21:35] <tsimonq2> so can we get another respin then so I can mov on to the faliures I have to fix?
[21:56] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[21:56] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW I'm building only the guest packages, so the users are confined to people running ubuntu inside a virtualbox vm


[03:39] <andrew2> Looking for help setting up LDAP.  I've been following tutorials to the tee and keep getting ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) when I query the userbase
[05:33] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:34] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:34] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[05:34] <LaserJock> nixternal: I got the edubuntu-about.desktop translations in
[05:35] <nixternal> rock on!
[05:35] <nixternal> right now someone uploaded a bogus dhcpd that doesn't allow me to view the intarweb
[05:38] <crimsun> Martin touched it last.
[05:38] <crimsun> and it's dhcdbd.
[05:38] <sbalneav> I figured it was going to take WEEKS to even BEGIN to get an interactive greeter going for ldm2
[05:38] <sbalneav> Turns out I did most of it in one day.
[05:38] <LaserJock> rock ON!
[05:39] <sbalneav> Some kind soul in #gtk+ turned me on to JUST the right call I needed.
[05:39] <sbalneav> I'm hoping to have a first cut of an ldm that can handle bad passwords, and password expiry's by Sunday, if I'm lucky.
[05:41] <nixternal> crimsun: ya, I just installed dhcpcd and it seems I have internet
[05:41] <nixternal> don't know why it was uninstalled
[05:42] <crimsun> that's a very severe problem, since you shouldn't need a universe package to establish it.
[05:43] <crimsun> I'd check with lure regarding his NM changes
[05:56] <moquist> LaserJock: now, for about 2 minutes
[06:04] <moquist> RichEd-2: hey hey
[06:20] <moquist> sbalneav: sounds good. I'm listening. :)
[06:20] <moquist> Well, sorta. I've popped in for about 10 minutes before going offline until Sunday afternoon.
[06:20] <moquist> ciao!
[06:21] <sbalneav> cya
[06:24] <andrew____> trying to set up edubuntu server and the thin client is registereing its DHCP IP address but reporting a "FILE NOT FOUND" error.
[06:25] <andrew____> When I look in /opt folder on the server, it's empty...
[06:25] <sbalneav> Have you done an ltsp-update-kernels?
[06:25] <andrew____> let me try that...
[06:25] <sbalneav> If /opt is empty, you've got no ltsp at all
[06:25] <sbalneav> ltsp-build-client in that case
[06:26] <andrew____> but my package manager says it's installed
[06:26] <andrew____> ah...
[06:26] <sbalneav> the packages are installed, but you haven't built the chroot
[06:27] <andrew____> yes...it's building now!
[06:28] <andrew____> I built it on top of ubuntu, rather than installing from edubuntu server distro...
[06:29] <sbalneav> Right, that was the problem.
[06:29] <sbalneav> the ltsp chroot gets built at server install time.
[06:29] <andrew____> how do I return to fix the pixel dimensions I set.  I accidentally limited things to the highest resolution.
[06:30] <sbalneav> system->preferences->screen resolution
[06:30] <andrew____> I used apt-get install edubuntu-server
[06:31] <andrew____> Aren't the dropdown parameters determined by a config file?  I've got a high resolution monitor and it's dimensions don't appear...
[06:32] <sbalneav> You could do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I beleive
[06:33] <andrew____> also, is it normal for the graphics to be "laggy" in an x terminal?  I'm running edubuntu desktop GUI on my server install and the screen refresh time is really slow...
[06:34] <sbalneav> Depends how fast the X box is.
[06:35] <sbalneav> Things will be a little slower.  Encryptions being used, the X is being tunneled over ssh.
[06:35] <sbalneav> In the next version (gutsy) you'll have the option of going unencrypted for speed.
[06:35] <andrew____> Even when it's happenning on the same machine, correct?
[06:37] <andrew____> I've got the thin client booting now.  Hoooray.
[06:37] <sbalneav> Sorry, are you talking about slow screen on a thin client, or on the server?
[06:37] <andrew____> On the server
[06:38] <andrew____> Dragging windows creates horrible trails...
[06:38] <sbalneav> What kind of video card do you have?
[06:40] <andrew____> Its an onboard, cheap one.
[06:40] <sbalneav> Might want to check your xorg.conf, maybe it used the vesa driver
[06:40] <andrew____> where is that file again?
[06:41] <sbalneav> /etc/X11/
[06:41] <andrew____> So I'd want to switch the driver to....?
[06:42] <sbalneav> "An onboard, cheap one", whatever that is.
[06:44] <andrew____> sorry, I'm a bit dense...looking at the device manager doesn't reveal anything about the video card...is this to be expected if it has a generic driver?
[06:48] <andrew____> Another issue, the thin client screen is shifted about 4" left of where it should be.
[06:50] <sbalneav> Flatpanel?
[06:51] <andrew____> yes
[06:51] <sbalneav> lspci should tell you what kind of card you have.
[06:51] <sbalneav> just hit the auto button
[06:51] <andrew____> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01)
[06:52] <andrew____> "auto button" ?
[06:53] <sbalneav> So, you'll want driver "via"
[06:53] <sbalneav> Most flatpanel LCD monitors have an "auto" button for syncing resolution.
[06:53] <andrew____> This is a TV
[06:54] <sbalneav> You connecting through the svideo connector?
[06:54] <andrew____> VGA
[06:55] <sbalneav> Could be it's not reporting the DCC information correctly
[06:55] <sbalneav> xorg relies on the monitor reporting it's frequencies properly.  A ton of things are buggy that way.
[06:56] <andrew____> is there a way to restart xorg?
[06:56] <sbalneav> ctl-alt-backspace
[07:06] <andrew____> just recovered from an xorg.conf error...the driver change I made was not kosher.
[07:12] <andrew____> now trying to install x11vnc on the client...can't find package.
[09:23] <willvdl> aargh, kubuntu file sharing has just dropped 300 files into the ether
[09:23] <willvdl> never to be seen again
[09:25] <RichEd> "where do you want your files to go today ?" ;)
[09:25] <RichEd> hope they did not represent too much lost work / info
[09:26] <willvdl> RichEd, I was backing up documentation
[09:26] <jsgotangco> ooppss
[09:26] <willvdl> not a lot of work lost but I just don't know how this is possible
[09:27] <RichEd> me wonders why jsgotangco is hugging his mispelt socks ?
[09:27] <willvdl> copied stuff across SAMBA to 2nd pc. turned off pc over night, this morning the folder is gone
[09:27] <jsgotangco> ;-)
[09:28] <willvdl> it's not a pretty thing when the universe decides to conspire against you :)
[09:39] <t94xr> universe?
[09:39] <t94xr> just the samba devs
[09:39] <t94xr> everyone else couldnt careless
[09:41] <willvdl> thanks
[09:41] <willvdl> I feel better now
[11:27] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[11:39] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[11:39] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[11:39] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[11:39] <willvdl> heh
[11:39] <highvoltage> (I owed you two others)
[11:39] <willvdl> dude, webserver is up on dapper
[11:39] <highvoltage> scwheet!
[11:39] <willvdl> just thought I'd let you know
[11:39] <willvdl> scwheet?
[11:40] <highvoltage> willvdl: "nice". you're getting old :)
[11:40] <willvdl> that's the sound a fridge makes when you drag it along a tiled floor
[11:40] <highvoltage> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[11:40] <highvoltage> aaaaah, that's much better
[11:40] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'll ping you over the weekend to show you the changes
[11:40] <willvdl> isa nicah
[11:41] <willvdl> let me know if there's anything I can help with
[11:41] <willvdl> even if onlt verification
[11:44] <highvoltage> willvdl: will do, the more eyes we have on it, the better
[11:44] <willvdl> can't wait :) looking forward to updating our info
[02:10] <jonnoob> I need help with changing my local device(USB) to use ISO-8859-15 instead of UTF-8. Can anybody help?
[02:19] <JokeR-> hello everyone
[02:19] <JokeR-> i need help
[02:19] <JokeR-> i request ubuntu's cd before 3-4 weeks and yesterday i received the package. i put the cd in the cd-rom then i reboot. when it loaded i choose start or install ubuntu but it write me back some error and the pc reboot itself
[02:20] <JokeR-> (sorry for my bad english)
[02:20] <`6og> JokeR-, what error?
[02:21] <JokeR-> dont know it writes "Loading" and afterthat a small dialog box appears where the only one option is reboot
[02:22] <`6og> unless you can give us more details, we probably cant help
[02:24] <jonnoob> can't anybody help me with getting USB-memory to work with non-ascii characters?
[02:25] <JokeR-> `6og
[02:25] <jonnoob> huh?
[02:25] <RichEd> jonnoob: can you ask in #ubuntu ? there are more techiies around there and it is not edubuntu specific is it ?
[02:26] <JokeR-> now im trying to load the cd from windows but it appears a dialog box "Start2.exe - application Error. The application failed to initializa properly (0xc0000006). Click on OK to terminate the application"
[02:26] <jonnoob> Sure.. No problem...
[02:27] <JokeR-> `6og any ideas?
[02:29] <`6og> JokeR-, what on earth are you trying to use to install?
[02:30] <JokeR-> ubuntu 7.04
[02:32] <`6og> JokeR-, i dont understand why you are running an exe
[02:32] <JokeR-> i told u
[02:33] <JokeR-> i had tried to boot the cd
[02:33] <JokeR-> but it doesnt work
[02:43] <JokeR-> `6og
[02:43] <JokeR-> http://i13.tinypic.com/4l770d4.jpg http://i19.tinypic.com/664c8dx.jpg http://i17.tinypic.com/4tawl1w.jpg
[02:43] <JokeR-> see
[02:45] <`6og> JokeR-, select the 'check cd for defects' option, and the 'memory test' options (one at a time)
[02:47] <JokeR-> okay
[09:02] <ath> I am looking to set up a server for our small high school
[09:03] <ath> I have just begun to investigate edubuntu and I am stuck on some things.  I was wondering if comeone could help out
[09:04] <ath> I have never used irc before, how does this work, am I doing it right?
[09:04] <stgraber> ath: maybe I can
[09:05] <ath> thank you for trying
[09:05] <ath> I installed edubuntu on a virtual machine first off
[09:06] <ath> now how do I get the thin clients to boot on the other machines?
[09:06] <ath> Do I have to set the bios to boot into a network?
[09:07] <stgraber> yes you have to
[09:07] <stgraber> or if you can't you'll have to download a PXE boot floppy from rom-o-matic
[09:07] <stgraber> on your edubuntu server you should have two network cards, the first one connected to the outdoor (wan/public lan) and the other on which a dhcp server will be set for the thin clients
[09:08] <stgraber> then connect your clients to the second one and boot them on the network either by using the BIOS PXE option (boot on lan) or the floppy
[09:08] <ath> is it necessary to have 2 network cards
[09:08] <stgraber> it's easier but no it's not necessary
[09:09] <stgraber> do you currently have a DHCP server installed on your network ?
[09:09] <ath> no, i just have kubuntu desktop
[09:09] <stgraber> hi sbalneav
[09:09] <ath> the ip addresses are controlled by the dhcp, is that the same?
[09:09] <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
[09:10] <sbalneav> ogra: you about dude?
[09:10] <ath> thank you for your help stgraber, I have to go.
[09:10] <stgraber> ok ... :)
[09:12] <stgraber> ogra, sbalneav : Did you guys have found a fix for that nbd problem (Unable to mount the squashfs image) ?
[09:12] <sbalneav> Yeah, I'm running into it myself
[09:13] <stgraber> It's pretty weird, from what I understand and checked there is nothing wrong :)
[09:13] <stgraber> just nbd-client which doesn't do its job
[09:14] <sbalneav> the nbd-client within the chroot exececutes just seems to do nothing
[09:14] <sbalneav> There was an update to the nbd tools a few days ago, notes seemed to be something about a new upstream version.
[09:15] <sbalneav> I'm going to try and see if I can put strace into the chroot tonight, so I can strace nbd-client, and see what's happening.
[10:07] <stgraber> sbalneav: Are we sure that's the nbd-client which is buggy ?
[10:07] <stgraber> I tried connecting with feist's one and had the exact same result
[10:07] <stgraber> and trying a telnet on port 2000 from my laptop gives : ** (process:13090): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Could not open config file.
[10:08] <sbalneav> Hm
[10:08] <sbalneav> ok
[10:08] <sbalneav> Well, I'll have a look
[10:08] <sbalneav> Maybe it's the server side that's jiggered.
[10:08] <sbalneav> That's easier to fix :)
[10:08] <stgraber> yes :)
[10:19] <stgraber> root@edubuntu:~# nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
[10:19] <stgraber> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[10:20] <LaserJock> that doesn't look good, and I don't even know anything about it ;-)
[10:20] <stgraber> (core is empty)
[10:30] <stgraber> sbalneav, ogra : It's definitely a bug of nbd-server 2.9.3-3, I've installed nbd-server_2.8.7-2ubuntu2 and it's working correctly
[10:34] <sbalneav> stgraber: ok, that makes it easy
[10:35] <sbalneav> Who's the maintainer for the nbd-server package?
[10:36] <sbalneav> I'm almost wondering if our newly minted core developer might not take that one over.
[10:36] <sbalneav> seeing as how we're pretty much the only project that's actually USING the nbd stuff
[10:36] <LaserJock> StevenK last touched it in Ubuntu
[10:36] <stgraber> Maintened by Wouter Verhelst (debian), uploaded by stevenk
[10:37] <stgraber> LaserJock was faster ...
[10:37] <sbalneav> I'll dig into it tonight when I get home.
[10:37] <stgraber> would be great to have that fixed by Tuesday (first Tribe-2 candidate build)
[10:38] <sbalneav> LaserJock: You gonna be on later tonight?
[10:39] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yes
[10:40] <sbalneav> k, If I come up with some patches, I'll ping you
[10:41] <LaserJock> ok