[01:13] <Jon_> hi everybody, i'm jon. i'm interested in starting to contribute as a tester.
[01:14] <tsimonq2> Jon_: Hello
[01:15] <tsimonq2> Jon_: What kind of testing would you like to do?
[01:16] <Jon_> Oh, Hi Simon. We connected by email before. I'd like to start with something accessible to a beginner that you need to get done. Any ideas ?
[01:35] <tsimonq2> Aww, didn't see this :/
[05:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Artful Dot One] has been updated (20180108.1)
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[04:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:44] <ducasse> good morning
[23:46] <guiverc> wtf - intel were still introducing x86-only (not amd64) atoms in 2011 (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/55663/intel-atom-processor-z670-512k-cache-1-50-ghz.html)
[23:52] <daftykins> people will buy lemons!


[02:36] <kurly> kmikita: fwiw, did update the bios. after getting kernel signing back in place, 5.17.7 still has network and 5.17.9 still no.
[09:31] <kmikita> kurly: there is something to try
[09:31] <kmikita> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/en9SJpIi/
[11:28] <tomreyn> don't you also need to drop the existing OSI list using "acpi_osi=!" first of all?
[11:28] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi
[11:29] <tomreyn> ^ i wrote this, it can be incorrect.
[11:38] <kmikita> tomreyn: maybe needed. In his dmesg present "ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored"
[11:42] <tomreyn> that's standard, right?
[11:45] <tomreyn> i mean, you hardly every see otherwise, only if it's an OEM meaning to support Linux as a primary platform and supplying a 'BIOS' / DSDT tables which actually know what Linux is.


[00:24] <dmacm> hello
[00:27] <zoogoo> hello guys. I'm just install xubuntu 12.xx
[00:28] <zoogoo> I did give Mint 13 a go yestuirday and even after i had installed the ati drivers for the ATI 7770 i have in this box it was still laggy so i threw it out
[00:43] <kid___> hello
[00:43] <kid___> my pc is: pen 3 3.0 ghz, ram 768 mb
[00:43] <kid___> can i run xubuntu?
[00:44] <kid___> sorry for my bad english
[00:49] <martinphone> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[00:49] <martinphone> Minimum system requirements
[00:50] <pisecx> hey everybody
[00:50] <martinphone> go
[00:50] <pisecx> is there any link to download xubuntu dvd image?
[00:51] <pisecx> is there any dvd images at all?
[01:16] <crond> pisecx, xubuntu comes in a 700mb cd iso
[01:17] <crond> but you can burn it to a dvd if you wish
[01:17] <pisecx> how?
[01:17] <pisecx> one person doesn't have internet and want to prepare dvd to take it home
[01:17] <crond> same as you'd burn a cd
[01:17] <crond> just put a dvd in the drive
[01:17] <pisecx> the problem is - he needs lots of packages, the ability not to download them from internet
[01:18] <crond> pisecx, well, hm.
[01:18] <pisecx> you usually download ubuntu dvd for that particular reason
[01:18] <pisecx> I recommended him to create a local dvd repository
[01:19] <pisecx> just wanted to check if there are any xubuntu dvds or not
[01:19] <pisecx> it seems like not
[01:19] <pisecx> at least not on the official web site
[01:19] <crond> Not that I see in a listing on a mirror - http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/12.04/release/
[01:19] <pisecx> yep
[01:20] <pisecx> ok, thanks
[01:20] <pisecx> I just wanted to check, maybe I'm missing something
[01:24] <pisecx> exit
[01:24] <pisecx> ops )
[01:34] <BuntZooZoo> Hey, can someone point me to the right place to set a screen resolution in Xubuntu?
[01:35] <BuntZooZoo> I found the "Display" utility, but all it does is give me a list of 4 to pick from.
[01:35] <BuntZooZoo> The actual resolution of my netbook screen isn't an option.
[01:35] <BuntZooZoo> So, how do I add it?
[01:38] <BuntZooZoo> I understand such magic can be accomplished with entries in the xorg.conf file...but I can't find an xorg.conf in xubuntu...
[01:39] <bazhang> !crosspost | BuntZooZoo
[01:41] <BuntZooZoo> oh...busted.
[01:42] <BuntZooZoo> I'd be happy to stick with #xubuntu but it looked like no one was talking in here.
[01:43] <BuntZooZoo> And...no one is talking in here.  But someone's paying close enough attention to pick up a cross post.  was that a bot?
[01:43] <bazhang> BuntZooZoo, no
[01:43] <bazhang> BuntZooZoo, you are getting help in #ubuntu .
[01:44] <BuntZooZoo> But I
[01:44] <bazhang> ...
[01:44] <BuntZooZoo> 'm not. It loks like I need xubuntu specific info.
[01:44] <bazhang> no you don't
[01:46] <BuntZooZoo> well, the preferene utility in Xubuntu will be an XFCE utility, right?  It displays 4 resolutions for me.  How do I add another that actually matches my netbook screen?
[01:51] <BuntZooZoo> I should be able to do this (I think) in xorg.conf. But I don't know if an entry there will show up in the Display utility's menu (which would be nice) AND, I can't actually find xubuntu's xorg.conf
[01:53] <bazhang> create one. it will be obeyed.
[01:55] <BuntZooZoo> so, where does xubuntu's ordinary startup process get settings info from?  And where does the XFCE Display utility populate its menu from?  The docs that install with it are ...not very detailed.
[03:24] <Gdoumou> o/
[05:46] <ChristopherNg> knome: are you awake?
[05:49] <ChristopherNg> knome: wake up.
[07:10] <knome> ChristopherNg, :P
[07:21] <ChristopherNg> welcome
[07:21] <knome> thanks
[07:24] <ChristopherNg> knome: does Xubuntu only change the GUI from the regular ubuntu or it changes some other things aswell?
[07:25] <ChristopherNg> I was going to ask if you would consider making xubuntu more light weight.
[07:30] <astraljava> ChristopherNg: Xubuntu uses Xfce4 as the DE, instead of GNOME (compared to vanilla).
[07:30] <astraljava> That's a big factor in making it more light-weight.
[07:30] <astraljava> If you have other suggestions, feel free to let us know.
[07:32] <ChristopherNg> how about removing those n00bish games and other things people do not use or need?
[07:37] <hobgoblin> who picks ChristopherNg ? you're useless thing might be my important one ;)
[07:37] <ChristopherNg> well those games?
[07:37] <ChristopherNg> i mean really who the hell wants them?
[07:37] <ChristopherNg> heh
[07:38] <hobgoblin> :)
[07:38] <hobgoblin> my mum ...
[07:39] <ChristopherNg> your mum is weird lol
[07:54] <nonuby> can someone tell me what the default font is for xubuntu 12.04, i experimetning changing and now want to changeback
[08:04] <ChristopherNg> just check restore default
[12:06] <laite> why isn't apturl installed by default in xubuntu?
[12:21] <SandJ> laite, I think apturl may be excluded by default because it makes one-click-install too easy, and so is a vulnerability.
[12:57] <olbi> hello
[12:58] <olbi> how I can add to Right Mouse Menu: Run as Administrator
[13:02] <laite> olbi: you can add custom actions in file manager from Edit->configure custom actions
[13:03] <laite> the command for this would be: gksu exo-open %f
[13:06] <olbi> hmm, I shoud logout and login, than it should works?
[17:24] <csenger41> hello
[17:26] <GridCube> !hi | csenger41
[17:27] <csenger41> where can I submit a Xubuntu 12.10 feature idea?
[17:29] <Pici> !brainstorm | perhaps
[17:32] <GridCube> csenger41, sadly the 12.10 brainstorming cycle has already ended http://xubuntu.org/news/brainstorming-the-12-10-release/
[17:33] <csenger41> ohh damn
[17:33] <csenger41> :(
[17:33] <csenger41> I forgot its not May, but June
[17:33] <GridCube> csenger41, but please feel free to send a mail to the mailing list with your idea
[17:33] <csenger41> LOL
[17:34] <csenger41> GridCube: where can I find instructions for that mailing list?
[17:35] <GridCube> csenger41, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[17:36] <GridCube> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[17:50] <csenger41> GridCube: thanks for the help, email sent :)
[17:50] <GridCube> :)
[17:51] <GridCube> reading
[17:51] <csenger41> well forgot to mention that I'm not native english speaker, so sorry for my grammar :S
[17:53] <GridCube> nah, its ok
[17:53] <GridCube> csenger41, i recommend you to go to #xubuntu-devel
[17:53] <venomik> всем привет помогите тормохит флеш в браузерных играх поставил флеш аид
[17:53] <venomik> непомогает
[17:54] <GridCube> !ru | venomik
[18:39] <martinphone> is there any easy way to create FF profiles with xubuntu?
[18:41] <holstein> i would just use something in FF like http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
[18:41] <holstein> it'll work the same in xubuntu as any other linux (or should) and a plugin is likely easily available for what you are looking for
[18:46] <martinphone> holstein kuhe geben gutes milch
[18:48] <holstein> martinphone: id say the cow that comes with firefox, that gives you profile support as a plugin in the browser, unless i felt like that was more appropriate for the *-offtopic channel ;)
[18:48] <martinphone> odd, the link doesnt work and I dont find that app in the app menu
[18:49] <holstein> martinphone: what link? the link i gave?... i would look for *any* profile manager as an addon or plugin
[18:49] <holstein> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
[18:56] <martinphone> odd indeed
[18:56] <martinphone> could it be for being behind privoxy? all other sites work
[18:57] <holstein> not sure..  wouldnt sweat it, just search for a profiles manager in FF, and install it
[19:00] <martinphone> holsteing am I a big idiot if I dont find any? I see for gmail and other...
[19:00] <martinphone> holstein,
[19:22] <martinphone> what other add ons do you use with TBB?
[21:17] <rychusj> when using xfce-graphite theme, it changes input fields and/or the font color of the input fields.  is there anyway to change the settings so my theme doesn't affect my browser?
[21:18] <GridCube> rychusj, xubuntu uses a combination of gtk2 and gtk3 apps, if the theme you are using doesnt support both graphical systems then issues will come up
[21:19] <rychusj> ok, so i need to look for themes that work with gtk2, gtk3 and xfce?  sorry, i'm new to xubuntu
[21:20] <GridCube> if you want to try a supported theme thats darker than the default greybird i recommend you to get the git for albatross https://github.com/shimmerproject/Albatross
[21:21] <GridCube> rychusj, xfce by itself works on gtk2
[21:21] <GridCube> xubuntu ships applications that are in gtk3 also
[21:21] <GridCube> you will need a theme that has both engines
[21:23] <rychusj> GridCub: thanks, i'll give it a shot
[22:09] <RandomDude123> Hello, I need help.
[22:09] <GridCube> !ask | RandomDude123
[22:09] <RandomDude123> I broke my Xfce.
[22:10] <GridCube> !details | RandomDude123
[22:11] <RandomDude123> Yes, I tried to switch to unity 3d, I installed unity and deleted xfce... The unity is not appering in session selection.
[22:11] <RandomDude123> And xfce can't load (Got Deleted).
[22:12] <GridCube> RandomDude123, go to a tty, press ctrl-alt-f1, log in and do this:
[22:12] <GridCube> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:12] <GridCube> that should fix things up
[22:12] <RandomDude123> Thanks.
[22:15] <RandomDude123> And BTW how to make the unity work?
[22:15] <GridCube> no idea, you should ask on #ubuntu
[22:15] <RandomDude123> Okay, Thanks, you were very helpful.
[22:16] <GridCube> :) no problem
[22:33] <csenger41> hello, anyone here?
[22:39] <GridCube> !anyone | csenger41
[22:41] <csenger41> GridCube: could you tell me where does the window button layout settings stored in XFCE?
[22:41] <GridCube> i believe thats a chromium setting
[22:42] <csenger41> nope, I've asked after it, they said it gets the info from a metacity key
[22:43] <csenger41> but a guy said to tell him where XFCE stores the information, and maybe they will fix it
[22:44] <GridCube> csenger41, :) if you google, you will find: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme
[22:46] <csenger41> I have no .themes folder in my home di
[22:46] <csenger41> *dir
[22:46] <csenger41> yes, i pressed Ctrl+H to see hidden files
[22:47] <GridCube> then you are using /usr/local/themes
[22:47] <GridCube> /usr/local/share/themes
[22:48] <csenger41> nothing there either
[22:49] <csenger41> but found it in /usr/share/themes
[22:50] <GridCube> mmhm
[22:53] <csenger41> hm, strange, button_layout line is missing for me
[22:53] <csenger41> for greybird theme, which I'm using atm
[22:53] <SkippersBoss> Have you tried http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.com/2011/11/window-buttons-on-left-side-xubuntu.html
[22:53] <GridCube> ochosi, ping
[23:00] <csenger41> SkippersBoss: that link looks good, but it doesnt explain where to find the file itself :S
[23:03] <xubuntu682> Greetings everyone :)
[23:03] <xubuntu682> I am having issues with my T61 thinkpad, using 12.04
[23:05] <GridCube> !details | xubuntu682
[23:05] <xubuntu682> OK, thanks for the response
[23:05] <xubuntu682> for that are familiar, the T61 laptop has  3 volume control buttons in the upper left hand of the keyboard area
[23:05] <xubuntu682> mute, down, up.
[23:06] <xubuntu682> They work intermittently
[23:06] <xubuntu682> Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not, and I haven't been able to figure out the pattern yet.
[23:06] <xubuntu682> I think that it might have something to do with how Pavucontrol works, but I am definitley not sure
[23:08] <GridCube> im sorry xubuntu682 i wouldnt know, but please wait to someone with more knowledge to come
[23:08] <xubuntu682> i have searched the various forum posts, and there are problems similar to mine, although I don't think anyone has addressed it satisfactorily
[23:09] <xubuntu682> additional issues are:  Internal mic not working, does not shut down properly, significant CPU slowdown when cycling from desktop to desktop, ARANDR doesn't work when NVIDIA GPU is used, etc.
[23:09] <xubuntu682> :D
[23:10] <xubuntu682> Precise Pangolin is functional, yet broken in many, many ways.
[23:10] <GridCube> thats sad
[23:12] <csenger41> xubuntu682:  Arandr doesn't work when using ATI GPU either
[23:13] <xubuntu682> csenger41: I can live without arandr.
[23:13] <xubuntu682> I have the nvidia applet that interfaces with xconf
[23:13] <xubuntu682> but, these are all annoyances.
[23:27] <csenger41> dammit, I could help with internal mic problem :/
[23:43] <csenger41> someone please help me find out which file does this command edits:
[23:43] <csenger41> xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/button_layout -s "CMH|O"


[02:50] <ahoneybun_> hello
[05:47] <cortexA9> hello Riddell
[06:26] <soee> good morning
[06:26] <jussi> Morning soee.
[06:26] <jussi> I think you must be in a simialr TZ to me, as you always seem to be around just about when I come in
[06:27] <soee> PL
[06:27] <jussi> soee: ahh yes, .fi here
[06:27] <soee> :)
[06:28] <jussi> just over the water then :D
[06:30] <soee> hehe :D
[08:34] <bcooksley> Message for phoenix_firebrd (Prasad Murthy): Please be more careful in handling your email. KDE Sysadmin receives dispatches from Yahoo! concerning emails marked as spam. Standard policy is to unsubscribe the person in question. Further spam reports concerning your address will result in all kde.org mailing list subscriptions being terminated.
[08:38] <apachelogger> Your membership in ubuntu-core-dev is about to expire
[08:38] <apachelogger> autodiscarded to trash
[08:38] <apachelogger> ololo
[08:38]  * apachelogger should revise his filters
[08:39] <apachelogger> agateau, Riddell: was the ubuquity fix uploaded to archives yet?
[08:39] <apachelogger> daily still shows atrocious colors
[08:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: possibly not, I just committed it to bzr
[08:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: k, as long as it gets in before release ;)
[08:50] <Riddell> yeah it will
[08:50] <apachelogger> meh, login takes forever -.-
[08:50]  * apachelogger puts on todo
[08:51] <apachelogger> menu looks much better though \o/
[08:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/4uYiLoh.png
[08:52] <apachelogger> that's what I intended to have logowise
[08:53] <apachelogger> now we just need to find out why processors is empty :S
[08:54] <Riddell> that use of the logo probably goes against canonicals brand guidelines
[08:54] <Riddell> too much like a warped version of the old logo
[08:54] <Riddell> (not that it matters)
[08:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^^
[08:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: is active still broken?
[08:56] <apachelogger> and what is this card about http://i.imgur.com/4uYiLoh.png
[08:56] <apachelogger> eh
[08:56] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/tBI3mvwA
[08:58] <apachelogger> yofel: what to do with https://trello.com/c/SHC3ljmX
[09:06] <yofel> apachelogger: not sure, as any stacktraces of mir related crashes should have libmirclient somewhere in it maybe martin could just close those if they pop up? Or we could set KDE_DEBUG=true if mir is running and let apport handle it
[09:07] <yofel> but that would be overkill IMO
[09:10] <apachelogger> also apport is unmaintained ^^
[09:10] <apachelogger> ^ that needs some solution anyway
[09:11] <yofel> it is o.O?
[09:12] <yofel> are they relying 100% on whoopsie now?
[09:12] <yofel> (or do you mean apport-kde, that is unmaintained indeed)
[09:18] <apachelogger> unmaintained by us
[09:18] <apachelogger> nixternal did that
[09:18] <apachelogger> now that he is a professional cyclist no one does
[10:23] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I got a positive responce from the UFW Kcontrol developer
[10:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah plasma-active is broken but there's a comment in our bug with a suggestion to try for fixing
[10:28] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: meaning?
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: he hasn't worked on it in a while but he is "more than willing to (at least attempt to) fix any bugs"
[10:33] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: please also ask him how he feels about moving the code and project under the kde umbrella (use kde's git and l10n and bugzilla), oh and CC me please<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> ok, will do
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: so far I've talked with him on the kde-apps site. But I've sent him a message to continue this conversation via email, directly. When he responds, I'll CC you
[10:37] <apachelogger> ok thanks
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: about that trello card I think it needs looked at what ubuntu unity has set up and what happens if you install kubuntu on top of that
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: xmir you mean?
[10:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: presumably
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, since apps loaded inside xmir would have some mir lib in their mmap we probably need (or want) to check for that in kcrash and then take actions depending on the result, what those actions should be needs discussion though I guess
[10:50] <apachelogger> (I still think we should simply display huge warning dialogs when starting kde apps on xmir :P)
[11:06] <Riddell> mm http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.2_saucy.html is looking nice and green
[11:10] <ovidiu-florin> the sites wiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are synced? I modified a page on the kubuntu wiki and I saw the hange on the ubuntu wiki. Why?
[11:10] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it's the same site, just a different default theme
[11:11] <ovidiu-florin> oh...
[11:11] <ovidiu-florin> great...
[11:11] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[12:14] <Peace-> guys ... on 13.10 qdbus fails
[12:42] <Riddell> Peace-: fails how?
[12:44] <Peace-> Riddell: qdbus: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[12:44] <Riddell> Peace-: when doing what?
[12:45] <Peace-> Riddell:  vlc --control dbus &&  qdbus org.mpris.vlc /TrackList   org.freedesktop.MediaPlayer.AddTrack STUFF
[12:45] <Peace-> Riddell: i need to go now but i will be back soon i leave pc turned on
[12:59] <Riddell> Peace-: does just `qdbus` work?
[13:00] <Peace-> Riddell: nope
[13:00] <Peace-> it says the same thing
[13:00] <Peace-> Riddell: now i have tried to install ubuntu-sdk
[13:00] <Peace-> Riddell: found in some forum
[13:01] <Peace-> and now it says i mean running only qdbus
[13:01] <Peace-> qdbus
[13:01] <Peace-> qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory
[13:04] <tsimpson> I had that too, I needed to install qttools5-dev-tools
[13:04] <tsimpson> (as qt5 is set as the default, apparently)
[13:04] <Peace-> let me try
[13:04] <tsimpson> btw, I had that in 13.04 haven't tried .10 yet
[13:04] <Riddell> install qdbus and qt4-default for qt 4
[13:04] <Peace-> tsimpson: nope
[13:05] <Peace-> it doesn't work
[13:05] <Peace-> Riddell: ok try that
[13:06] <Peace-> Riddell: fixed with qdbus + qt4-default
[13:06] <tsimpson> ah, they moved it to qdbus-qt5 in saucy
[13:12] <soee> so updates ready for Saucy ?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> should be
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:14] <soee> shadeslayer, if you want i can test later at home :)
[13:14] <shadeslayer> please do
[13:14] <shadeslayer> I shall test now
[13:14] <shadeslayer> because I can actually work instead of stupid apartment hunting
[13:20] <Riddell> Could NOT find LinkGrammar (missing:  LinkGrammar_LIBRARIES LinkGrammar_INCLUDE_DIR)   anyone know why kdepim doesn't have that as a build-dep?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I couldn't find linkgrammar packaged
[13:23] <shadeslayer> and I think that's only to check ABI compatability
[13:24] <shadeslayer> oh no
[13:24] <shadeslayer> grammar check plugin
[13:24] <shadeslayer> anyway, not packaged I think
[13:25]  * smartboyhw packages?
[13:25]  * Peace- hahahahha because I can actually work instead of stupid apartment hunting
[13:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: liblink-grammar4-dev looks like what it needs
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Oh.....
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/link-grammar ;P
[13:26] <shadeslayer> hm indeed
[13:26] <Riddell> question of disk space though
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Uh hum, but it's outdated a bit...
[13:27] <shadeslayer> 127 KB?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> for liblink-grammar4_4.7.4-2_amd64.deb
[13:27] <Riddell> how much for link-grammar-dictionaries-en
[13:28] <shadeslayer> 488KB
[13:28] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:28] <shadeslayer> that's just the downloaded deb
[13:28] <shadeslayer> idk how much it
[13:28] <shadeslayer> *it'll be unpacked
[13:29] <Riddell> it's the downloaded deb that's important
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Installed size is around 1.2 MB
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how so? I thought the installed size that matters
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: images have a 1.0GB arbitrary cap
[13:30] <Riddell> which I think we're close to
[13:31] <shadeslayer> right, isn't that for *installed files* on the ISO
[13:31] <shadeslayer> brb reboot
[13:31] <Riddell> ISOs are compressed so they'll end up much the same as .debs
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:39] <shadeslayer> kded4 crashes hmm
[13:54] <Riddell> kde bug 325460
[13:54] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[13:55] <shadeslayer> sounds like just needs rebuilding?
[13:55] <Riddell> hmm, it's looking for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython2.7.so
[13:55] <Riddell> part of python-dev
[13:55] <Riddell> I think I've had this before and added a depends on python-dev
[13:55] <Riddell> which maybe got lost in a marge
[13:55] <Riddell> merge
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Linking issues!?
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Hmm, missing -dev symlinks
[13:56] <Riddell> question is why does it want to load the .so
[14:19] <shadeslayer> okay 4.11.2 works for me
[14:19] <Riddell> great
[14:20] <Riddell> I've got it ready to upload on my hard disk, I guess it'll be released tomorrow
[14:20]  * Riddell tweaks kdepim and kate
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, huh? I thought somebody is uploading it?.......
[14:21] <shadeslayer> not released yet
[14:21] <shadeslayer> I shall backport
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Well, kde4libs got throuhg
[14:22] <smartboyhw> (No problems with that I believe)
[14:22] <Riddell> I sneaked that in, don't tell anyone
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh hum
[14:22] <smartboyhw> It is publicly announced in #ubuntu-release
[14:23] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:29] <Riddell> hmm, nothing seems to use this libgrammar library at all
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: too old maybe?
[14:31] <Riddell> 15:29 < Riddell> does anything use the libgrammar library?
[14:31] <Riddell> 15:30 < montel_> Riddell: not yet
[14:32] <Riddell> so maybe something in future but not currently used, it's all compiled now anyway
[14:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195723] 13.10 Alpha-2 Plasma Netbook Interface has no favorites @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195723 (by Marco Parillo)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> okie
[14:48] <shadeslayer> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40
[14:48] <shadeslayer> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/11-apresentacao-stephanedumond.pdf
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ^^ my eyes hurt from the Comic Sans
[14:50] <Riddell> bug 1222128
[14:50] <Riddell> the IT Crowd did a special one off final episode
[14:50] <Riddell> it was very unrealistic because Moss was using Comic Sans
[14:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: still need bug 1222128 reviewed?
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I forgotten about the package already (not sure if I have a copy of it either, I deleted it probably in a big cleanup
[14:58] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: what be wrong with comic sans?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> what's not wrong with comic sans?
[15:00] <Riddell> these is a good reason to use comic sans, it's useful for some dislexic people
[15:00] <Riddell> otherwise it's the font of the devil
[15:01]  * apachelogger quite likes it
[15:01] <apachelogger> has seen too much use tho, so I get how people got to not like it :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> but it has seen so much use over the years becaus it's a very nice font
[15:01] <apachelogger> q.e.d.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: actually, I think cool jazz is the font of the devil
[15:02] <shadeslayer> comic sans is just for people who want to induce migraines
[15:06] <Riddell> cyphermox: I presume we're planning to stay with an old NM version not the latest bugfix?  seems to be causing unnecessary password requests according to upstream bug 325421
[15:06] <cyphermox> are you sure that's the right bug number?
[15:07] <cyphermox> oh, upstream, doh
[15:07] <Riddell> cyphermox: kde bug 325421
[15:07] <Riddell> cyphermox: discussing now in #solid
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: you looked at the kwallet setup last?  that might also be a culprit
[15:09] <cyphermox> Riddell: It may be fixed by one of the patches in <IP_ADDRESS>... but yeah I'm running out of time to do the update
[15:09] <cyphermox> perhaps I can cherry-pick just the relevant patch if we find it
[15:10] <cyphermox> that's not just on KDE though, NM itself is "wrong" in that regard, I have a bug in LP about this popping up in lightdm even with "available to all users"
[15:10] <cyphermox> but it's more or less on purpose -- some password are saved in keyring and others in the config files
[15:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you integrate the patch that I said was missing?
[15:11] <apachelogger> because that may be related to auto-allow
[15:11] <shadeslayer> what patch?
[15:11] <apachelogger> one patch was missing from runtime
[15:12] <shadeslayer> I have no context
[15:12] <shadeslayer> what are we talking about?
[15:12] <apachelogger> kwallet
[15:12] <shadeslayer> oh, no, I just changed the kwalletrc
[15:12] <shadeslayer> and it worked
[15:14] <Riddell> see discussion in #solid about plasma-nm
[15:15] <Riddell> ScottK: any thoughts on sip/python issue bug 1233215 ?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do we need to integrate another patch? because it is working
[15:16] <apachelogger> emit sigh
[15:16] <apachelogger> oh, I only have 17 snapshots/releases/clones of runtime lying around
[15:16] <apachelogger> should be easy to find that one patch Oo
[15:17] <apachelogger> <3 grep <3
[15:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: /home/me/src/bzr/k/build-area/kde-runtime-4.10.90/debian/patches/kubuntu_silence_kwallet_on_first_start.patch
[15:17] <apachelogger> /home/me/src/bzr/k/build-area/kde-runtime-4.10.90/debian/patches/kubuntu_silence_kwallet_per_app.patch
[15:17] <apachelogger> versus
[15:17] <apachelogger> /home/me/src/bzr/k/kde-runtime/debian/patches/kubuntu_silence_kwallet_on_first_start.patch
[15:17] <apachelogger> so the per-app thing is missing
[15:17] <apachelogger> which may explain why plasma-nm refuses to remember passwords
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ah hmm
[15:18] <shadeslayer> lets see
[15:18] <BluesKaj> I think plasma nm remembers pwds for a session
[15:19] <BluesKaj> it seems to here
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw maybe we can add a link to "Get support on the phone" link to khelpcenter
[15:19] <shadeslayer> like you did for installing and everything else
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't understand
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: A entry under "Kubuntu Documentation" that reads "Get support on the phone"
[15:21] <markey> I'm getting a bunch of errors when trying to compile any C++11 code with Clang 3.2 (Kubuntu 13.04). it used to work fine until recently
[15:21] <markey> maybe someone here has an idea...
[15:21] <markey> http://paste.kde.org/p93acb894/
[15:21] <markey> it's weird, I never had problems with it until recently
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that loads a wiki page with information on how to call up the withsupport phone number
[15:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it :)
[15:22] <Riddell> or ping lordievader, he's a useful person
[15:22] <BluesKaj> apachelogger:  I'm using openvpn with the plasma-network manager and it remembers the pwd if I disconnect and reconnect during the same session , if that helps
[15:22] <markey> (we want to start using a subset of C++11 features starting with Amarok 2.9)
[15:23] <shadeslayer> lordievader: ^^
[15:23] <lordievader> Ohh I'm being called usefull ^^ What's up?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:     - Drop kubuntu_silence_kwallet_per_app.patch, applied upstream
[15:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and that's from *you*
[15:24] <shadeslayer> lordievader: <shadeslayer> Riddell: A entry under "Kubuntu Documentation" that reads "Get support on the phone"
[15:25] <shadeslayer> lordievader: <shadeslayer> Riddell: that loads a wiki page with information on how to call up the withsupport phone number
[15:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh
[15:25] <apachelogger> lol
[15:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: then I don't think plasma-nm has to do with kwallet
[15:25] <shadeslayer> I want the last 2 minutes of my life back :(
[15:25] <apachelogger> stop whining
[15:25] <apachelogger> I wasted a day doing stuff I should not have been doing to begin with
[15:26] <markey> heh
[15:26] <lordievader> shadeslayer: Ok, cool. I'll see what I can do :)
[15:28] <Riddell> markey: sorry I guess nobody knows
[15:28] <markey> oh well, it was worth a try
[15:28] <markey> maybe someone on G+ will know
[15:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, your time isn't that precious;)
[15:29] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/p52cf0605/ < wth? why doesn't it go and sign the dsc :/
[15:33] <apachelogger> markey: is that master?
[15:34] <markey> apachelogger: you mean Amarok?
[15:34] <apachelogger> markey: yes
[15:34] <markey> yep
[15:34] <markey> but I don't think it's related to Amarok
[15:35] <markey> oh I get it now
[15:35] <markey> no the C++11 patch is not in master
[15:35] <markey> I got some local patches here that I wanted to push
[15:35] <markey> only to find it no longer compiles
[15:35] <apachelogger> markey: can you throw it at some branch?
[15:36] <markey> I can just send you one patch, I'll mail it
[15:36] <apachelogger> k
[15:37] <apachelogger> I actually suspect some weirdness in the buildsystem btw... because there are errors that are caused by includes from qtglobal, and I am building all phonons using clang so I supposedly should get them as well
[15:37] <shadeslayer> ahh, hmm, I think someone changed the behaviour to not sign and not run lintian
[15:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: behaviour of what?
[15:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bzr builddeb?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: kubuntu batch backport
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[15:39] <yofel> yeah, that's how it works (for quite a while now)
[15:39] <yofel> debuild --no-lintian -S $include_source -us -uc
[15:39] <markey> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pa5b23d26/
[15:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we generally remote sign so that is expected ^^
[15:39] <shadeslayer> righty
[15:40] <shadeslayer> I just have good internet so can locally sign
[15:40] <apachelogger> markey: error: Anwendung des Patches fehlgeschlagen: src/MainWindow.cpp:308 :(
[15:40] <markey> mail then
[15:40] <apachelogger> markey: is it supposed to apply against master
[15:40] <apachelogger> ?
[15:40] <markey> yep
[15:41] <markey> I think the formatting got screwed up
[15:41] <apachelogger> yeah, mail then plz :)
[15:41] <markey> sec
[15:41] <apachelogger> btw, you could install pastebinit and do git diff | pastebinit
[15:41] <apachelogger> really handy tool to pastebin stdout
[15:41] <markey> sent
[15:42] <markey> good idea
[15:42] <markey> where is that tool?
[15:42] <markey> ah found it
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, technically, it's here https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/kqoauth_0.98-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:45] <smartboyhw> (Is it for Digikam again? I forgotten-.-)
[15:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes, it's for kipi-plugins in digikam
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Ah yeah
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Anyhow, we need to update Digikam to 3.4.0 (but wait, does that include features?)
[15:46] <Riddell> probably
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Ew
[15:46] <smartboyhw> FFe...
[15:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just ping me or ScottK for any FFe you need
[15:47] <Riddell> !testers | 4.11.2 for saucy in ninjas
[15:47] <shadeslayer> I already did my part
[15:47] <shadeslayer> wfm
[15:47] <littlegirl> Hey there, I just got an email notification of this change to the Kubuntu wiki and I suspect it's malicious: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs?action=diff&rev1=47&rev2=48
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  I'm here
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please review kqoauth then
[15:48] <littlegirl> It links to this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/PhoneSupport
[15:48] <smartboyhw> littlegirl, well, we do have phone suppport
[15:48] <shadeslayer> littlegirl: looks fine
[15:48] <littlegirl> Oh!
[15:48] <shadeslayer> littlegirl: lordievader is working on doing that
[15:48]  * littlegirl had no idea.
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Not malicious what so ever:)
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:48] <littlegirl> LOL
[15:52]  * yofel updates to .2
[16:29] <Riddell> debfx: I uploaded a kio-mtp tar with l10n in it, might be worth taking back into debian
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "pretty please move forward, been in doing forever"
[16:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:30] <shadeslayer> basically we need to copy over the new oxygenified icons into knetattach
[16:31] <shadeslayer> however how to post that as a patch is a mystery to me since they're binary files
[16:31] <apachelogger> just push? :P
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: why did I add a homerun l10n card to kubuntu l10n board? it's got l10n files
[16:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have no idea :P
[16:34] <Riddell> ok I'll delete it
[16:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: you did not tell me anyway
[16:34] <apachelogger> we had a card in 13.04 though
[16:34] <Riddell> might be old then
[16:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: lightdm-kde has translations, do you think it's short of them?
[16:36] <Riddell> you said "check with david on whether he can do another stable release to possibly pick up new translations"
[16:36] <apachelogger> at least in german I saw untranslated strings in the themes config (KCM)
[16:42] <soee> shadeslayer, 4.11.2 are in ninjas ?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:43] <soee> let me check if i have it on this laptop
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm-kde-l10n.diff
[16:52] <Riddell> packaged version against current l10n
[16:52] <Riddell> nothing significant in de
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: perhaps the strings are not i18n'd then
[16:53] <apachelogger> not on linux right now
[16:53] <Riddell> the desktop .po file seems to be removed or maybe that's just releaseme removing it
[16:53] <apachelogger> so can't check
[16:53] <Riddell> but yeah it might be an upstream issue
[16:53] <Riddell> but there's a few additions so I think I'll use this patch
[16:54] <soee> shadeslayer, there are no any updates in the repository i have
[16:55] <Riddell> soee: it's in ninjas for saucy
[16:56] <lordievader> Guess I should've added the phone support for the docs on the trello board, will do so now.
[16:58] <soee> Riddell, one new package: libkwinglutils1abi3 right ?
[17:00] <Riddell> soee: yep
[17:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you uploading .2 to ninjas for r and p?
[17:02] <Riddell> mind and update https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas when you do
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, script still running
[17:02] <shadeslayer> oh, completed
[17:02] <shadeslayer> lemme sign and upload
[17:04] <shadeslayer> wohoo
[17:04] <shadeslayer> plasma crashed
[17:04] <soee> ;]
[17:10] <debfx> Riddell: how did you create the tarball?
[17:11] <Riddell> debfx: with a config script I added to releaseme
[17:11] <debfx> would be good to get that CMakeLists.txt change committed upstream
[17:14] <shadeslayer> hm, no netattach 64x64 and 128x128 icons
[17:15] <apachelogger> debfx: what change?
[17:16] <debfx> apachelogger: adding macro_optional_add_subdirectory( po ) to kio-mtp
[17:17] <apachelogger> debfx: upstream git has no po, nor should it have one :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> debfx: all releaseme tars have that diff
[17:17] <debfx> is that added by the release script?
[17:17] <debfx> ah
[17:17] <apachelogger> yes
[17:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oi, I wanted to see martin's reply on that report.....
[17:26] <shadeslayer> what report
[17:26] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:27] <shadeslayer> the rekonq one?
[17:27] <apachelogger> yes
[17:27] <apachelogger> I found it rather lovely
[17:27] <shadeslayer> asked to report upstream
[17:27] <shadeslayer> so he can close it if appropriate ;)
[17:27] <apachelogger> yes, I wanted to ask martin to comment on lp :P
[17:27] <apachelogger> so I can see his comment
[17:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:27] <apachelogger> now I never will, and martin will probably never see the report
[17:27] <apachelogger> so much sadness
[17:27] <apachelogger> actually we need more such reports
[17:28]  * shadeslayer sends some sangria's to apachelogger
[17:28] <yofel> what do you guys think would be a good way to work around bug 1206371 ?
[17:28] <yofel> I'm not convinced that "kde-window-manager Conflicts: libhybris" is a sane solution
[17:28] <apachelogger> I told my computer to shutdown at 12:00. Now my computer is not usable because it shuts down at 12:00.
[17:28] <apachelogger> what do you comment to such a report
[17:29] <shadeslayer> where is that :D
[17:29] <apachelogger> yofel: that's a hybris bug, no?
[17:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's what the report says, except with a different feature
[17:29] <yofel> apachelogger: to be frank, yes
[17:29] <apachelogger> I have focus-follows-mouse. Now focus follows mouse.
[17:30] <apachelogger> yofel: move it then :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> and start ranting on ubuntu-devel
[17:30] <soee> shadeslayer, all fine after upgrade on saucy
[17:30] <shadeslayer> re read the report, ahahaha
[17:30] <apachelogger> or ask ScottK if he has time to direct attention to this issue :)
[17:30] <apachelogger> he's rather good at this
[17:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol, you didn't even read it
[17:30] <shadeslayer> I did, I just didn't think too much about it
[17:30] <apachelogger> dude, you are missing out on great works of literature if you do not read the reports
[17:31]  * yofel isn't a friend of ranting on ubuntu-devel either, but oh well
[17:31] <apachelogger> yofel: well, that needs to get resolved
[17:31] <shadeslayer> "blah blah blah, something about rekonq not working, report on KDE bugzilla, blah blah blah"
[17:31] <yofel> that I agree with
[17:31] <yofel> I'll poke there later
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pfcc7530a/
[17:35] <shadeslayer> I think I'll CC nuno in the commit
[17:36] <apachelogger> I committed broken icons. Then the icons were broken.
[17:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, git status would have made that less burning on me eyes :P
[17:37] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/p67337ca3
[17:38] <apachelogger> I read the paste. Then I read the other paste and it said the same thing.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> also I fear I've done it the other way around
[17:42] <shadeslayer> there needs to be a knetattach icon in oxygen-icons that overrides the one that is shipped in kde-runtime
[17:42] <shadeslayer> I copied the icon from oxygen-icons into knetattach
[17:42] <apachelogger> huh?
[17:42] <apachelogger> makes no diff
[17:42] <apachelogger> you need icons with hi in kde-runtime
[17:42] <apachelogger> although
[17:42] <apachelogger> maybe knetattach is onlyshowin=kde then you don't need hi icons at all
[17:43] <apachelogger> and the ones in oxygen are sufficient
[17:43] <shadeslayer> it is OnlyShownIn=kde
[17:44] <apachelogger> no hi at all then
[17:44] <shadeslayer> so drop KDE3 icons, create new ones in oxygen?
[17:44] <apachelogger> though it probably doesn't hurt
[17:44] <apachelogger> or replace the kde3 ones with the oxygen ones but they need to be hi :P
[17:44] <apachelogger> anyway, nuno only likes the icons in oxygen-icons because its easier to maintain in one place
[17:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:45] <shadeslayer> and that's what his email says
[17:45] <apachelogger> from a policy POV applications should however always install a hicolor icon
[17:45] <apachelogger> but since its showonlyin kde and kdelibs *always* fallsback to oxygen this can arguably be left out entirely
[17:45] <apachelogger> your call, it will work regardless unless someone removes the onlyshowin ^^
[17:46] <apachelogger> then it will have no icon in xfce et
[17:46] <apachelogger> c
[17:52] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1206371] kwin is not starting: cannot find libwayland-egl.so.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206371 (by Chupligin Sergey)
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p8c0c437f/
[17:56] <shadeslayer> seems to work for me
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks good
[18:00] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:04] <shadeslayer> I wonder if CCMAIL works in SVN
[18:04] <shadeslayer> it does I think
[18:40] <markey> so I'm pondering to upgrade to Saucy, as I can't resolve my weird Clang issues, and maybe that's gonna fix it as a welcome side-effect
[18:41] <markey> is it a good time to upgrade?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> there shouldn't be issues
[18:42] <shadeslayer> afaik
[18:42] <shadeslayer> if there are issues, we can fix them ASAP :)
[18:43] <markey> groovy! (using riddell-speak)
[18:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: all fixed, just have to wait till next release
[18:47] <markey> has Muon received some fixes? it never got truly reliable so far
[18:48] <markey> it's like the idea was there, but then the implementation lacked some lvoe
[18:48] <markey> love*
[19:33] <bambule> shadeslayer: hi, i am trying to build amarok from git on a kubuntu13.10beta2.
[19:33] <bambule> cmake will alsways complain that it doesn't find "gmock (1.4 or higher)  <http://code.google.com/p/googlemock/>"
[19:33] <bambule> while i have it:
[19:34] <bambule> ii  google-mock:i386                1.6.0+svn437-0ubuntu i386                 Google's framework for writing and using C++ mock classes
[19:41] <bambule> shadeslayer: markey pointed out that you might be able to help there
[20:14] <shadeslayer> bambule: yeah, something is weird there, I just build without gmock
[20:14] <shadeslayer> i.e. disable tests
[20:17] <markey> "<shadeslayer> if there are issues, we can fix them ASAP :)"
[20:17] <markey> this would be one :D
[20:17] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:17] <bambule> shadeslayer: hmm, yeah. it works for now. but i tend to hack on amarok and would need to run the unit tests from time to imte :-)
[20:17] <shadeslayer> looking
[20:17] <bambule> shadeslayer: thanks!
[20:17] <shadeslayer> lemme check if I can figure it out
[20:24] <shadeslayer> markey: I think I know the issue
[20:24] <markey> ok
[20:25] <shadeslayer> markey: there is no gmock-config shipped in ubuntu
[20:25] <markey> but it used to be?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> !find gmock-config precise
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apparently
[20:28] <shadeslayer> apparently called gtest-config now
[20:28] <shadeslayer> which is installed in /usr/src/gmock/gtest/scripts/gtest-config.in
[20:29] <shadeslayer> so bug in amarok, not being able to work with a very new gmock :P
[20:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:29] <shadeslayer> !find gtest-config
[20:30] <shadeslayer> eh
[20:31] <shadeslayer> ahhhh
[20:36] <markey> hm?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> markey: its called gtest-config
[20:38] <shadeslayer> sorry, gtest-config.in
[20:38] <markey> but the name shouldn't change, or should it
[20:39] <shadeslayer> ahaha
[20:39]  * bambule the suspense is killing me
[20:39] <bambule> :-)
[20:40] <shadeslayer> markey: bambule : sudo ln -s /usr/src/gmock/gtest/scripts/gtest-config.in /usr/bin/gmock-config
[20:40] <shadeslayer> and it'll start working
[20:41] <shadeslayer> tests/core-impl/logger/CMakeFiles/testproxylogger.dir/build.make:163: *** target pattern contains no `%'.  Stop.
[20:41] <shadeslayer> make[1]: *** [tests/core-impl/logger/CMakeFiles/testproxylogger.dir/all] Error 2
[20:41] <shadeslayer> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[20:41] <shadeslayer> markey: ^^
[20:41] <bambule> -- Found libgmock: /usr/bin/gmock-config: 1: cd: can't cd to /usr/bin/@top_srcdir@
[20:41] <bambule> @includedir@, /usr/bin/gmock-config: 1: cd: can't cd to /usr/bin/@top_srcdir@;/usr/bin/gmock-config: 1: cd: can't cd to /usr/bin/@top_srcdir@
[20:42] <bambule> cmake finishes here
[20:42] <bambule> but doesn't look completely happy, does it?
[20:42] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:42] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:42] <shadeslayer> unsure why that happens
[20:42] <yofel> because it's .in?
[20:43] <yofel> that's the gmock source, there are no pre-compiled binaries anymore (see changelog)
[20:43] <yofel> as i understand it, amarok needs to take care of building gmock if it wants to use it
[20:44] <shadeslayer> true, but then
[20:44] <shadeslayer> fooey
[20:45] <yofel> well, the explenation in ebian/README.Debian sounds sensible
[20:45] <yofel>   3 The Google C++ Mocking Framework uses conditional compilation for some
[20:45] <yofel>   4 things.  Because of the C++ "One Definition Rule", gmock must be
[20:45] <yofel>   5 compiled with exactly the same flags as your C++ code under test.
[20:45] <yofel>   6 Because this is hard to manage, upstream no longer recommends using
[20:45] <yofel>   7 precompiled libraries.
[20:45] <yofel> markey: ^
[20:46] <shadeslayer> fwiw the g++ invocations don't work for me ^_^
[20:46] <shadeslayer> /usr/include/gmock/gmock-spec-builders.h:134:42: error: expected ';' at end of declaration list
[20:46] <shadeslayer>   bool VerifyAndClearExpectationsLocked()
[20:47] <yofel> fun++
[20:48] <shadeslayer> there is documentation on how to compile the binaries in a CMake project
[20:49] <shadeslayer> anyway, complain to google, or fix in amarok :P
[20:49] <bambule> shadeslayer: thanks!   :-)
[20:49] <shadeslayer> np
[20:49] <shadeslayer> this was fun
[20:49] <shadeslayer> lets never do it again
[20:49] <markey> he's not kidding
[20:50] <markey> sitting on his couch in Barcelona
[20:51] <shadeslayer> s/couch/chair/
[20:51] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong...  :D
[20:51] <markey> @ Chateu De Shadeslayer
[20:51] <shadeslayer> heh ^_^
[20:52] <yofel> well, if you have time throw some into staging, I'll fix them as time permits
[20:52] <yofel> (as I'm gone from wednesday to sunday that'll be in a week)
[20:53] <shadeslayer> well, right now priority is everything !quantal
[20:53] <shadeslayer> so I want to get those finished up before release
[20:53] <yofel> ack
[20:53] <shadeslayer> I've uploaded raring and precise
[20:53] <shadeslayer> should build overnight
[20:54] <shadeslayer> I can fix + QA tomorrow, should be good to go by evening tomorrow
[20:54]  * shadeslayer is alone in the office, I can play music on the speakers!
[23:13] <genii> pinentry-qt4 issue:   in Konsole..  gpg --edit-key <key> addphoto              ...after photo is selected, it spawns an xwindow preview which opens in imagemagick. On closing the window, the default choice of No was already chosen without user input.
[23:20]  * genii installs pinentry-curses
[23:47] <ahoneybun> Howdy


[00:23] <olly_> chilts: i'm at osdc (so canberra)
[00:28] <chilts> ah cool :)
[00:28] <chilts> thumper: yeah, I switched to the Ubuntu Mono font and it's lovely :)
[00:29]  * ajmitch still hasn't switched to that, should probably try it out  :)
[00:29] <chilts> to be honest, I've been really really impressed by it since I've been using it ... it is definately more pleasurable on the screen :)
[00:29] <chilts> do it ... seeing a page of code with syntax highlighting in that font is gorgeous!
[00:29]  * thumper just switched to ubuntu mono on chat
[00:30]  * thumper wonders if it works in emacs
[00:30] <chilts> it does :)
[00:30]  * chilts has it
[00:30] <ajmitch> of course switching fonts in ubuntu is an ordeal now
[00:30] <chilts> I can paste you a snippet if you like
[00:30] <chilts> thumper: (set-default-font "-misc-Ubuntu Mono-medium-r-normal--13-100-100-100-c-70-iso8859-1")
[00:31] <chilts> took me a while to get there and I'm not sure that's the best way, but it works for me :)
[00:31]  * thumper used "set default font" menu item :)
[00:33] <chilts> heh, I turned my emacs menus off about 7 years ago :)
[18:29] <ibeardslee> mutter mutter soaked mutter mutter
[18:34] <sadsun> good morning :D
[18:35]  * sadsun hands over a towel. :P
[18:35] <ajmitch> morning
[18:35]  * sadsun slides over a hot cup of coffee ...........cU
[18:40] <ibeardslee> mmm coffee
[18:41] <sadsun> cheers
[19:16] <Atamira> morning
[19:16] <Atamira> miserable day
[19:31] <ajmitch> beautiful sunny day
[19:31]  * Atamira mutters about being wet and rain
[19:31] <ajmitch> we had that for maybe half an hour yesterday
[19:40] <mwhudson> better by teatime apparently
[19:46] <chilts> morning
[21:27] <mwhudson> is there an ubuntu iso mirror in nz?
[21:28] <ajmitch> not that I know of
[21:28] <ajmitch> though...
[21:28] <ajmitch> 10:01 < Pyromanik> this field seems like it'll work
[21:28] <ajmitch> bah
[21:28] <ajmitch> silly copy & paste
[21:29] <ajmitch> http://mirror.ihug.co.nz/ubuntu-releases/ seems to have them
[21:29] <mwhudson> yeah http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/11.10/ too
[21:30] <mwhudson> 3.5 meg a second, nice
[21:30] <ajmitch> not too bad
[21:42] <olly_> morning
[22:35] <karora> morning all :-)


 Is anyone using the Google "messages" app for Sms or what do you use for Sms? Signal is my preferred chat platform but so many people still use Sms
 @govatent, I use the Google one and Google Voice. The reason is that I use the web client and ChromeOS integration
 Yea. I was tired of using textra with no web integration for Sms. Yet another part of my life going to Google data collection lol
 Google does not collect data from SMS
 They also do not mine GMail
 Ah
 I was gonna read the privacy policy later although I don't mind if they did
 I know for the auto reply it reads the messages on the spot. I think Gmail does that too if I understand right
 @govatent, Yes. In the browser and not mined
 @govatent, SMS is not encrypted which is the fault of the protocol. This is the weakness with SMS. With that said, SMS for the web uses a private/public key pair that is only shared with your device, that is the QR code you scan. Not even Google can see the messages
 I figured it was direct access to sms but to the application on the phone. i know sms is unsecure as it is
 another thing i liked about messages is that it will support RCS if tmobile ever gets to it
 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/26/google-will-stop-scanning-content-of-personal-emails
 It is not direct access as that would need carrier integration, it uses your phone as a relay. If your phone is powered off, it won't work
 So they did mine data to tailor ads it seems
 @SivaMachina, That is a horrible article that I was very critical when it came out. A lot of things were taken out of context. It was clickbait
 Having a JavaScript agent in the browser to bring in ads based on keywords without relaying the content of the email to the server is hardly a threatening form of data mining.
 ah
 now i understand better how it worked
 So i'm following some steps from https://support.system76.com/articles/file-sharing/ and noticed @aaro
 noticed @ahoneybun name is in the screenshot example
 Needless to say, there are things that Google does mine, mainly via cookies on websites you visit. With that said, many other sites do that as well such as Facebook, Twitter and others
 @govatent, His email address is there. Time to add it to spam lists
 lol
 Well if someone wanted a more private transfering of messages. I would imagine they would be going through the trouble of setting something up that was more private.
 @SivaMachina, Agreed there. That is where dedicated apps that offer end to end encryption are the most beneficial. Telegram, WhatsApp, Signal, etc
 @KMyers, Of course a self hosted federated system that offers end to end encryption would be the best
 some more effectively implemented then others
 @govatent I wrote the article.
 but then you can take it a step further with tin foil, can you trust the isp to transmit your self hosted solution, even if its end to end encrypted :P
 @SivaMachina, No disagreement from me
 @govatent, I trust my ISP as far as I can throw them
 lol
 to bad it's not google fiber
 actually, you should look into webpass have you heard of it?
 https://webpass.net/miami/
 i forgot you had ip space
 @govatent, They don't offer residential service to houses. They are targeting large condos and appartment buildings
 ah dang.
 would have been a great replacement for comcast.
 @govatent, Yes. I like being able to show off
 lol it is super cool
 do you know where gnome puts the webdav config file?
 when you use the gui to setup a share
 i want to get away from using samba and webdav seems to now be built into the gnome gui
 i have it running, but form one pop os machine to another, it automaticlly finds the share, i want to test access using osx/windows as well
[16:31] <maxolasersquad> govatent, why do you want to access the config files directly?
[16:39] <maxolasersquad> Everything should be configurable from within Nautilus.
 I ended up getting it working. Pop os doesn't have the samba nautilus installed by default anymore
 I don't think it ever did.
[18:07] <floridagram-bot> <Luke Van Dervoort> If anyone is interested
[18:07] <floridagram-bot> <Luke Van Dervoort> https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/sys/d/fort-lauderdale-ubuntu-pc-amd-a10/6811338437.html
 Luke Thanks for sharing!
 I just unsalted Ubuntu 4.10 in a vm for fun.
 Ubuntu has come so far
 Ndiswrapper nightmare for wifi
 Who remembers that? Haha
 i remember those days
[21:00] <floridagram-bot> <Luke Van Dervoort> I do! I had a laptop only way to get wifi!!!
 oh the memories of the cursing and shouting
 @ahoneybun do you have an amd gpu?
 I do have one in my desktop.
 @govatent
 Are you using the amd gpupro driver or the open source mesa driver?
 I was trying to use steam proton on my desktop
 Not sure. I just installed Ubuntu and was done.
 so maybe the open source.
 Yea same
 I actually used pop os on my desktop too
 I really like pop os
 Ah GPU drivers
 Funny when it first came out I thought it was pointless
 Lol @gillymomo
 What's your setup?
 Which one?
 I have 6
 Gpu and driver
 Ah
 My Linux box has a 1070
 And a 4790K
 I am on 410 iirc
 My main rig is a 1660v3 with a 1080Ti
 And my auxiliary rig is a 5820K with a 1070 (it has an Ubuntu sever VM)
 And I have two dual 1366 severs and a Sandy bridge Xeon (1155)
 Sweet
 I've got a low profile HD7000 series gpu on my desktop. Not much of a gamer myself.
 @govatent there are a lot of weird games on PC.
 So I like having one around.
 I wanted to play pc builder simulator lol
 I played it when I had windows but I just couldn't stand running windows on the desktop so I went back to Linux gaming
 I hate windows with a passion
 I have Windows installed for games.
 It's so slow
[23:38] <floridagram-bot> <Luke Van Dervoort> Your a good man @alan
 @govatent You could try getting a cheap gpu and free up your heavy gpu for a windows passthrough
 Not a bad idea
 Tonight I'm gonna test amds proprietary driver