[01:34] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu georgeph repeatedly offtopic , ignoring all warnings
 iomicio, good, 12.10 is for advanced users, its cutting edge and often gets broken by updates
[01:51] <bazhang> I'm an advanced user!!111 Yay!
[01:57] <genii-around> Heh!
[01:57] <IdleOne> More than that. You are cutting edge.
[02:26] <bazhang> georgeph seems completely unable to stay on topic
[02:49] <bazhang> !gq
[02:53] <bazhang> Jordan_U, he said LAMPP not XAMPP
 ok, I want to start Lampp (Xampp for linux) every time I Turn on the computer.
[03:01] <Jordan_U> If someone wants to go over the security implications of adding something to /etc/rc.local with CrazyZurfer that's probably the answer they're looking for, but I don't have time to make sure they do something mostly sane, and the completely sane solution is to just transition to LAMP.
[03:01] <bazhang> true
[03:02] <bazhang> he probably wants to put LAMPP in /opt as well
[03:03] <Jordan_U> Even http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html recommends against calling it Lampp to avoid confusion, and I'm too lazy at the moment to call it "XAMPP for Linux". Calling it Xampp is IMHO the second least confusing name to use.
[03:04] <bazhang> georgeph is just outright lying/giving FUD now
 is 130gig too much swap space?
[06:34] <IdleOne> I suppose if it didn't listen on port 80 he would be complaining about that.
[06:36] <Jordan_U> Probably not, I think they truly desire the Windows behavior here. But many other people (myself included) certainly would.
[06:36] <Jordan_U> Though I wouldn't complain in #ubuntu :)
[06:36] <tsimpson> I installed software designed to listen for network connections from the outside, why is it listening for connections from the outside?!
[06:37] <IdleOne> pretty much.
[06:44] <bazhang> seems to be offtopic o'clock
[07:00] <Jordan_U> I just had a small conversation in pm with marsfligth, and they still don't seem to understand what a support question is (and isn't). I need to leave, so I just PM'd them: 22:57 <Jordan_U> I need to get some work done. If you want to be unmuted please join #ubuntu-ops and another op can unmute you (after you've demonstrated to them that you will actually stay on topic in #ubuntu).
[08:30] <ikonia> kline
[08:39] <bkerensa> :D
 I used the defualt r.a.m which I think is 8mb
[10:08] <bazhang> they are sure making vbox efficient these days
 i have xubuntu    <NothingSpectacul> i have kubuntu
[18:10] <bazhang> same person
[18:12] <genii-around> Well, I have most of the *buntu  installed ...
[18:12] <bazhang> heh
[18:12] <bazhang> he's not helpful at all
[19:06] <bazhang> yikes
[19:16] <genii-around> Heh, IdleOne!
[20:31] <bkerensa> AlanBell: I assume you know that the Desktop Team has created #ubuntu-steam for steam discussion?
[20:36] <Jordan_U> bkerensa: With no chanserv or channel topic?
[20:36] <bkerensa> Jordan_U: yeah idk
[20:36] <bkerensa> :)
[20:36] <Tm_T> huh?
[20:37] <Tm_T> !steam
[20:38] <bkerensa> Jordan_U: does IRCC register the channel for them?
[20:39] <Tm_T> should I?
[20:39] <genii-around> A user earlier in #kubuntu noticed if you have a ~/.fonts   directory, steam just shows unreadable rectangles
[20:41] <Tm_T> !steam ~= s/details/details, you can also join #ubuntu-steam for discussion/
[20:41] <Tm_T> !steam
[20:41] <Tm_T> bkerensa: ^
[20:42] <Jordan_U> !steam ~= s/discussion/discussion./
[20:42] <Tm_T> (:
[20:43] <bkerensa> Tm_T: yeah I think a e-mail went out too from bryceh
[20:43] <Tm_T> aaah now I see the email
[20:43] <Tm_T> thanks
[20:44] <Jordan_U> I don't see anything new at the ubuntu-irc mailing list.
[20:45] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: personal email
[20:45] <Jordan_U> There should also be a message to the ubuntu-irc mailing list then.
[21:07] <ikonia> ubuntu-steam......really we need another channel
[21:22] <genii-around> ikonia: It was filling up pretty fast by the time I just left there, actually
[21:22] <ikonia> but filling up with what ?
[21:22] <ikonia> how open is the steam application ?
[21:26] <genii-around> No idea.
[21:27] <ikonia> what I looked at wasn't open at all
[21:27] <ikonia> so unless there is something "open" I don't see the point in the hcannel
[21:27] <genii-around> I think a lot of people that got a Beta invite at the last UDS were piling in there. About 12 people when I joined it, about 40 when i left.
[21:27] <ikonia> you'll have to report/discuss things with steam
[21:28] <genii-around> ( maybe more, i didn't take exact count )
[21:28] <ikonia> I do'nt see why we are making a channel for this - when we should be pointing people actually at steam
[21:28] <ikonia> logging bugs/getting issues fixed
[21:28] <ikonia> it's their application/platform
[21:29] <ikonia> the more we can get info fed back to them so they a.) get the data to fix things b.) understand what the linux community expects and wants , the better
[21:29] <ikonia> sticking them in a channel so people can say "I don't know, it's closed source"
[21:29] <ikonia> doesn't seem good to me
[21:30] <ikonia> (unles there is an open product or a product ubuntu build that I'm not aware of and I've missed when I looked into it)
[21:30] <genii-around> ikonia: I was actually there to find out how to report a bug, I asked if there was some LP project to file against, was pointed to http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/
[21:31] <ikonia> right, so the factoid could do that
[21:31] <ikonia> rather than point at ANOTHER channel
[21:31] <genii-around> Hehe
[21:31]  * genii-around goes and idles in #ubuntu-discuss for no good reason
[22:09] <bkerensa> Tm_T: IRCC now has access to #ubuntu-steam


[02:25] <RodrogoZun> huenchunlero
[17:53] <epicguy25> http://p1.portal2sounds.com/sound.php?id=308&stream
[22:27] <mustafakyr> QUESTION: I am still having "Black Screen" trouble with my 10.04 installation at startup, I have to reset it to open properly. Am i gonna experience the same problem with 12.04 edition ?  Do you have any idea ? Thanks in advance.
[22:27] <EvilResistance> mustafakyr:  you may want to ask in #ubuntu
[22:28] <EvilResistance> mustafakyr:  this room isnt the support channel
[22:28] <EvilResistance> bleh
[22:32] <IdleOne> you were 5 seconds too late
[22:32] <IdleOne> 30 seconds is the maximum wait time
[22:37]  * EvilResistance throws a brick at IdleOne
[22:37] <EvilResistance> yes, but the first one came in ibefore they died
[22:38] <IdleOne> only because it took the server 4 seconds to post it
[22:38]  * EvilResistance yawns
[22:38] <EvilResistance> blame crappy Verizon internet
[22:38]  * IdleOne catches brick and begins work on pyramid
[22:38] <EvilResistance> in comparison to Comcast, well...
[22:38] <EvilResistance> IdleOne:  good for you :P


[09:55] <Dr_Sato> ikonia: Postfix okay.. I agree but do I need to install imap sepaeratly?
[09:55] <graft> SeanTater: suit yourself, buit you're getting inferior quality sound, unnecessary memory overhead, etc.
[09:55] <cpk2> fyrestrtr: horiz sync and vert refresh
[09:55] <ikonia> did you for redhat ?
[09:55] <ikonia> or did you use imap from within postfix
[09:55] <Dr_Sato> Not that I know of (was in 1998)
[09:55] <cpk2> sykes^: alright do what hondje said =)
[09:55] <fyrestrtr> sykes^: behold, the power of Google > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/cms/mdf/eizo560
[09:55] <jmitchj> graft: how do i do that?...from Synaptic?
[09:55] <ikonia> well, check your redhat config
[09:55] <sioux> Hi who knows what's is ALL.SYSTEM.MCAST.NET? My ubuntu exchange some strange icmp packets with host?
[09:55] <ikonia> see what its running
[09:55] <sykes^> *praises Google*
[09:55] <Bathmonster> ok i have followed every all the doco for the sound card but I am not able to get it working any ideas
[09:55] <SeanTater> graft: I;d be worried if I had speakers that were any good, or oggs encoded abover quality -1
[09:55] <Dr_Sato> Yes I used imap from within postfix .... I remember
[09:55] <pike__> ragnar_123: im not too familar with wine lately.. it might be easy but its wine .. you never know
[09:55] <ikonia> then if possible try to use the same products/config
[09:56] <miranda82> Kevc978, it worked
[09:56] <cpk2> fyrestrtr: how did i miss that? =\
[09:56] <Dr_Sato> ikonia: thnx
[09:56] <sykes^> So , what should I do now?
[09:56] <Dr_Sato> I'll hop of and try now
[09:56] <graft> jmitchj: yeah, from synaptic
[09:56] <miranda82> Kevc978, but it can't load my session, gotta do in failsafe
[09:56] <sioux> Hi who knows what's is ALL.SYSTEM.MCAST.NET? My ubuntu exchange some strange icmp packets with that host?
[09:56] <unfg> fyrestrtr: it says 1 server found.. then connection timed out.. no servers could be reached
[09:56] <fyrestrtr> cpk2: you have much to learn, young padewan.
[09:56] <basfrank> hi
[09:56] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  what worked?
[09:56] <ragnar_123> pike_: i tried just installing, and it dont even start the program :O
[09:56] <miranda82> Kevc978,  i've done a dist-upgrade
[09:56] <graft> SeanTater: eh... it's def. worth it for being able to share sound between all apps
[09:57] <fyrestrtr> unfg: means your router's dns service has crashed. Either edit /etc/resolv.conf and put another known DNS server on there, or reset your router.
[09:57] <pike__> ragnar_123: thats why i just have vmware  :)
[09:57] <cpk2> so i am guessing line rate and frame rate are horiz sync and vert refresh respectively?
[09:57] <basfrank> I have a problem with alsaconf. can anyone help me please?
[09:57] <ikonia> ok - my cpu is running at %50 speed and I don't understand why
[09:57] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  brill
[09:57] <fyrestrtr> cpk2: :)
[09:57] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  now just try apt-get update
[09:57] <sykes^> hondje: What did you tell me?
[09:57] <Kevc978> and dist-upgrade again
[09:57] <unfg> fyrestrtr: heres the real wierd thing.. if i try to ping <IP_ADDRESS> it gets host unreachable.. but if i try to ping <IP_ADDRESS> (this pc) it finds it ok
[09:57] <Kevc978> just to make sure you got everything
[09:57] <sioux> what's is ALL.SYSTEM.MCAST.NET? My ubuntu exchange some strange icmp packets with that host?
[09:57] <miranda82> Kevc978,  done
[09:57] <jmitchj> graft: fglrx64-6-8-0 shows already installed
[09:57] <Kevc978> you know how to change from failsafe to the gnome shell?
[09:58] <fyrestrtr> unfg: pastebin the output of 'route'
[09:58] <miranda82> Kevc978, what do u mean?
[09:58] <hondje> sykes^: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange will usually give you the horiz and vert settings for your monitor
[09:58] <unfg> fyrestrtr: just type route?
[09:58] <fyrestrtr> unfg: yes
[09:58] <ruda> hey n00bs!
[09:58] <hondje> instead of googling or hoping dpkg guesses right
[09:58] <cpk2> hondje: ddcprobe doesnt tell me horiz sync and vert refresh =( even though my monitor supports both ddc standards
[09:58] <Kevc978> mirak -  are you in under gnome-failsafe?
[09:58] <ragnar_123> pike_: how do you get internet and all that working in vmware?
[09:58] <miranda82> Kevc978, i'm not english so maybe i don't understant everything...
[09:58] <sykes^> hondje: Okaj
[09:58] <Kevc978> miranda*
[09:58] <hondje> cpk2: 'usually' :)
[09:59] <graft> jmitchj: nah, that's the deb you installed - remove that, and install xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:59] <Milenco> hi all :)
[09:59] <hondje> only works on one of my monitors
[09:59] <sykes^> hondje: Didnt do anything, but I think fyrestrtr found it anywas
[09:59] <basfrank> hi Milenco
[09:59] <sykes^> cpk2: What should I do now when we got the ranges?
[09:59] <fyrestrtr> Kevc978: logout and choose 'Gnome Session' from the sessions menu.
[09:59] <miranda82> Kevc978, i loaded normal gnome, and it ouputed the small window, saying it could not load gnome, but instead a failsafe xterm window, through it, i launched gnome-session, that is where i am now
[09:59] <squee> I have a friend who just did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and now it wont accept his password, what can we do to fix this?
[09:59] <hondje> indeed ... just throwing random shit out there
[09:59] <hondje> :)
[09:59] <pike__> ragnar_123: it usually just works. you would either choose bridged networking or nat i normally have it setup nat
[09:59] <Jackofalltrades> Hey questions about wine.
[09:59] <ragnar_123> okay
[09:59] <Milenco> I'm having some trouble installing my Highpoint 2320 RAID controller, but it isn't quite working. :P Could someone guide me through this please? :P
[10:00] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  just a moment
[10:00] <Jaak_> How do i configure the device Xsane should use?
[10:00] <miranda82> Kevc978, k
[10:00] <ragnar_123> pike_: do you run win xp in vmware?
[10:00] <pike__> ragnar_123: xp solaris osx and a few linux distros :)
[10:00] <AvatarX> I do run XP in VMWarw
[10:00] <AvatarX> I do run XP in VMWare
[10:00] <ragnar_123> cool
[10:00] <Jackofalltrades> after Ive downloaded wine from the Synaptic package manager is it just all set to go and I can run a few windows apps?
[10:00] <Milenco> or is there a driver-specific ubuntu chanel?:P
[10:01] <ragnar_123> where do I get osx?
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> squee: easy way is to boot from the livecd and change the password.
[10:01] <mirak> Kevc978: no
[10:01] <mirak> ...
[10:01] <cpk2> sykes^: change the values you have in xorg.conf to the correct ones
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> Jackofalltrades: just double click on a windows executable.
[10:01] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> ragnar_123: www.apple.com
[10:01] <cpk2> hopefully line rate and refresh rate is the same as horiz sync and vert refresh
[10:01] <miranda82> Kevc978, up to date
[10:01] <sykes^> cpk2: Ok, what was the command? gkedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> ragnar_123: buy a computer from there, it comes with os x.
[10:01] <squee> fyrestrtr: that wont mess up anything?
[10:02] <fyrestrtr> squee: only your password :)
[10:02] <cpk2> err frame rate not refresh rate
[10:02] <ChaosFan> sykes^: you should [gk] sudo that one ;)
[10:02] <unfg> fyrestrtr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26194/
[10:02] <pike__> ragnar_123: probably just search for a torrent but make sure processor supports sse3 i think or it will be very slow
[10:02] <cpk2> sykes^: depends on what you like using, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or you could use vi or something else
[10:02] <sykes^> cpk2: command not found
[10:02] <unfg> fyrestrtr: i typed it by hang so the collums dont line up quite right :-P
[10:02] <jmitchj> graft: I don;t have the ATI Control on Applications anymore
[10:02] <Milenco> I can't seem to build this driver (http://www.highpoint-tech.com/BIOS%20+%20Driver/rr2320/Linux/rr232x-linux-src-1.03-060710.tar.gz) under Ubuntu, it gives errors about not find a version.h file. :( Can anyone try to build/compile this file so I can install it on my system?
[10:03] <cpk2> vi isnt as user friendly as gedit though
[10:03] <ragnar_123> pike_: what is sse3? i got a amd 3700+ san diego 2200@2400
[10:03] <squee> fyrestrtr: actually we just tried recovery mode and it gave us root... but thanks
[10:03] <meheren> should i upgrode edgy in safe mode or while im booted up normally? my system has VERY limited recources
[10:03] <graft> jmitchj: fireglcontrolpanel is in that package
[10:03] <sykes^> cpk2: Used gedit, the others didnt work. What should I search for did you say?
[10:03] <miranda82> Kevc978, up to date
[10:03] <graft> jmitchj: you can run it from the terminal
[10:03] <fyrestrtr> meheren: you shouldn't be running edgy if your system has limited resources.
[10:03] <Jackofalltrades> fyrestrtr: thanks
[10:04] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  just a moment, i will find your solution yet
[10:04] <sykes^> cpk2: HorizSync	28-51         VertRefresh	43-60
[10:04] <sykes^> cpk2: Is what it say now
[10:04] <miranda82> Kevc978, thx :)
[10:04] <cpk2> sykes^: yes, change those to the correct value
[10:04] <fyrestrtr> Milenco: install kernel headers?
[10:04] <pike__> ragnar_123: id say youre set but im not sure how much functionality youd have with osx might just use xp
[10:04] <meheren> fyrestrtr, that's my decision.... i want to do some testing.... and artwork development
[10:04] <sykes^> cpk2: For 1280 or 1024?
[10:04] <Milenco> Hmm..i have no idea what you just said fyrestrtr :S. How do I do that? :P
[10:05] <meheren> and i want to make sure it all works rather than just blindly doing things
[10:05] <cpk2> sykes^: the horix sync and vert refresh is the same no matter what
[10:05] <ragnar_123> pike_: after some googleing "SSE3, also known by its Intel code name Prescott New Instructions or PNI, is the third iteration of the SSE instruction set for the IA-32 architecture. It is a SIMD instruction set. " o.O
[10:05] <fyrestrtr> meheren: the answer to your question is, no -- you should not upgrade to edgy in safe mode.
[10:05] <johnficca> hi just a question? I have a ibm t40 running ubuntu 6.06 and sometimes when I startup the wireless does not work
[10:05] <pike__> ragnar_123: i basically booted it up clicked around "meh" and havent fooled with it since
[10:05] <meheren> ok thx
[10:05] <jmitchj> graft: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[10:05] <johnficca> is there a way to fix it
[10:05] <handgranat> can you install the server "edition" of ubuntu with the desktop cd?
[10:05] <unfg> fyrestrtr: ya get ny pastebin?
[10:05] <fyrestrtr> Milenco: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[10:05] <Milenco> thanks! :)
[10:05] <ragnar_123> pike_: which processor do you have?
[10:05] <fyrestrtr> unfg: yeah, try this. tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:05] <sykes^> cpk2: What sync is it? Cant find it in the file fyrestrtr found
[10:06] <miranda82> johnficca, what cpu does t40 have?
[10:06] <johnficca> let me see
[10:06] <miranda82> i love thinkpads...
[10:06] <johnficca> pentium m 1.5 ghzs
[10:07] <miranda82> johnficca, how much did u paid for it?
[10:07] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: do you have the intel or the cisco wifi on your laptop? My T43 has the intel wifi, works -- but there are some bugs in the drivers.
[10:07] <Newbi8> Noen som snakker norsk her som kan hjelpe meg litt?
[10:07] <Gommie> How do i remove a package ie gedit , without removing other packages that were installed with it?
[10:07] <johnficca> like 500
[10:07] <handgranat> does anyone know? I'm in kind of a hurry.. can you install the server "edition" of ubuntu with the desktop cd?
[10:07] <ragnar_123> ja
[10:07] <johnficca> it the cisco
[10:07] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  the last thing i suggest, its not usually the best idea but dpkg -P --force-depends
[10:07] <sykes^> fyrestrtr: What was the rates for the EIZO I should type in the conf? Forgot
[10:07] <miranda82> Kevc978, what is it for?
[10:07] <cpk2> sykes^: I am *guessing* and *hoping* that line rate and frame rate are horiz sync and vert refresh, but I am not sure
[10:07] <fyrestrtr> sykes^: its there in that file, at the very top it gives you.
[10:07] <pike__> ragnar_123: 2600+ sempron it ran ok
[10:07] <ragnar_123> good
[10:07] <sykes^> Oh ok
[10:07] <ragnar_123> will try
[10:07] <johnficca> its a cisco 350 aironet
[10:08] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  it forces software without depends to install anyway
[10:08] <Newbi8> Ragnar_123: Har du peil p Ubuntu?Sliter med en en del ting og er i ferd med  sende hele greia i dass......
[10:08] <miranda82> johnficca, euros? dollars?
[10:08] <jmitchj> graft: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed....any ideas?
[10:08] <johnficca> dollars
[10:08] <johnficca> soory
[10:08] <johnficca> sorry
[10:08] <cpk2> fyrestrtr: am I making the correct assumption about line rate and frame rate?
[10:08] <miranda82> Kevc978, but i don't need any software to installl...
[10:08] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: it should work, try turning it off and on with the softkey (fn+f5 on mine, should be the same on yours)
[10:08] <sykes^> So Line rate is Horizsync and Frame rate is the refresh rate?
[10:08] <Gommie> handgranat: i dont think you can do that, i believe all the server install is that it lacks a gui and installs LAMP
[10:08] <gilianima> how to backup windows on dvd before installing ubuntu on a Sony VGN-TX3XP ?
[10:08] <cpk2> sykes^: I am pretty sure
[10:08] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  your gnome would work if it didnt :-P
[10:08] <fyrestrtr> cpk2: line = horizontal, frame = vertical.
[10:08] <basfrank> I need some help with alsaconf please
[10:08] <sykes^> cpk2: Aight
[10:08] <unfg> fyrestrtr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26198/
[10:09] <Milenco> its working some more now fyrestrtr. Just got some new errors :'). When I do 'make install' I get the error that "This driver is build for kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.244-smp and cannot be installed to current system"
[10:09] <Milenco> But I do have a 2.6 kernel
[10:09] <Gommie> handgranat: so you can install off the ubuntu-desktop you just get a little bigger install
[10:09] <johnficca> yeah I tried then but when its not working it dosen't do anything
[10:09] <miranda82> Kevc978, i mena, my problem seems to be something of the session...is not a way to see what fails while loading?
[10:09] <sykes^> cpk2: Ok, so save the file and reboot?
[10:09] <cpk2> sykes^: save it, log out, restart x
[10:09] <cpk2> sykes^: you dont need to reboot
[10:10] <fyrestrtr> unfg: something physical is wrong with your setup. Cable, etc. Something like that. Type tracert <IP_ADDRESS> on any Windows machine that is on the same net connected to the same router. If you get a full trace, then you know its your cabling.
[10:10] <sykes^> cpk2: But when I restart X it tells me to insert my user/pwd, and after that nothing happens
[10:10] <KJ-r1> lol i gess its kinda working ... NOW...
[10:10] <johnficca> sometimes when I hit fn+f5 a lot at boot up it works
[10:10] <handgranat> Gommie: but then they must have removed that function.. i am sure you could do that in breezy..
[10:10] <cpk2> sykes^: dont worry, all you need to do is restart x =)
[10:10] <cpk2> then log in and see if you can change the res
[10:10] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: how much ram is on your laptop? It could be that loading the firmware, etc. takes some time.
[10:11] <johnficca> I have 512
[10:11] <handgranat> Gommie: is it that easy? is ubuntu-desktop the biggest difference?
[10:11] <sykes^> cpk2: Ok, but there's a problem. I can save the xorg.conf
[10:11] <miranda82> Kevc978, loading gnome-session through that xterm failsafe window works.. so i asume is not a program missing error
[10:11] <physicsnick> quick question, how do i kill x, and how do i start it up again from tty1?
[10:11] <cpk2> sykes^: eh?
[10:11] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: see the output of /var/log/messages for any clues.
[10:11] <johnficca> ok 1 sec
[10:11] <sykes^> cpk2: Tells me I dont have enough rights to save it
[10:11] <fyrestrtr> physicsnick: kill X = sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, start X = sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:11] <Gommie> handgranat: its just the packages that come on the cd and what it configures
[10:11] <physicsnick> fyrestrtr, i use kde, is it the same command?
[10:11] <cpk2> sykes^: you did gksudo gedit?
[10:12] <fyrestrtr> physicsnick: replace gdm with kdm
[10:12] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  im stumped sorry
[10:12] <sykes^> Doh, hang on :P
[10:12] <Gommie> handgranat: im no expert ill admit, but you can get away with install the ubuntu-desktop and using it as a server
[10:12] <unfg> fyrestrtr: this machine gives me a full trace.. lemme switch the cables from this machine and the other ok?
[10:12] <physicsnick> fyrestrtr, awesome. thanks!
[10:12] <sykes^> cpk2: Doh, wait
[10:12] <fyrestrtr> unfg: yeah try it.
[10:12] <Gommie> handgranat: you just have to dl apache mysql and php and what not
[10:12] <unfg> fyrestrtr: brb
[10:12] <miranda82> Kevc978, no prob... no one is able to find a solution for me.... i've been like this for one week now... :(
[10:12] <johnficca> ok there is a lot of stuff in there, what should I look at
[10:12] <johnficca> I new to linux
[10:13] <handgranat> Gommie: so i just do the installation as normal (double-click the install icon), and when its done i uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[10:13] <winga> is there a reason why libqt4-dev won't install
[10:13] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: close that window, and open up a terminal (hit alt+f2 type gnome-terminal and hit enter). Then, type this tail -f /var/log/messages
[10:13] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: then, hit fn+f5 a couple of times.
[10:13] <sykes^> cpk2: Nothing happens when I type: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:13] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: and see what it shows on the screen.
[10:13] <Gommie> handgranat: yeah that sounds like a CLI server that your looking for
[10:13] <johnficca> ok
[10:14] <cpk2> sykes^: it doesnt ask for a password?
[10:14] <sykes^> cpk2: Nvm worked now
[10:14] <handgranat> Gommie: great, thanks for the help
[10:14] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what's the problem?
[10:14] <cpk2> sykes^: too bad, you almost got a crash course in vi =)
[10:14] <winga> how can i fix unresolved dependencies?
[10:15] <fyrestrtr> winga: what are you trying to install?
[10:15] <fyrestrtr> winga: you should not be getting any.
[10:15] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, when i pass throught gdm, it says: i wasn't able to load gnome, bla bla, and it loads grey background with a xterm window on it
[10:15] <johnficca> right now my wireless is working, should I wait till it not to do this
[10:15] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, so i run gnome-session from that xterm, and it loads normally
[10:15] <buu> So, anyone know where I could find aterm?
[10:15] <winga> fyrestrtr, libqt4-dev
[10:16] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what is this 'blah blah'?
[10:16] <CrapImAGhost> fyrestrtr: i just switched the cables.. im using the one the linux pc was using now.. and it works
[10:16] <johnficca> ok It shows a lot of stuff on the screen
[10:16] <CrapImAGhost> fyrestrtr: but the linux px still isnt online
[10:17] <Milenco> No way I'm able to install this raid driver onto my system. :/ Could anyone compile a Debian package for me to install? :o
[10:17] <miranda82> it's something long i can't remember, but it does not says the error, or anything, just explaining me that instead of gnome it will load a xterm failsafe window
[10:17] <fyrestrtr> CrapImAGhost: don't know, its not your configuration. Does your router have any mac filtering?
[10:17] <DJ_Danni> Hello
[10:17] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, it's something long i can't remember, but it does not says the error, or anything, just explaining me that instead of gnome it will load a xterm failsafe window
[10:17] <unfg> fyrestrtr: nope
[10:17] <fyrestrtr> unfg: eh, I don't know then.
[10:17] <unfg> fyrestrtr: i was thinking it was trying to act as a dchp server instead of a client.. is that possible?
[10:17] <fyrestrtr> almost midnight here, so brain is shutting down.
[10:18] <DJ_Danni> Hey i am trying to install PROftpD and when i try to use sudo apt-get install proftpd she say she cannoat find the packet. Anny isear?
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> unfg: not unless you told it to.
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> !info proftpd
[10:18] <ubotu> proftpd: Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.10-27ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 351 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> DJ_Danni: enable universe and multiverse repositories.
[10:18] <unfg> fyrestrtr: i did the regular server install.. might that be automatically on?
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> !universe
[10:18] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:18] <DJ_Danni> What do you mean?
[10:18] <winga> fyrestrtr, it shows 2 packages that it says "won't be installed" but they are available, but when i try to go look at those they have unresolved dependencies
[10:19] <fyrestrtr> unfg: I don't know about that. My server does, but that's because I specifically installed it.
[10:19] <johnficca> right now hitting fn+f5 turns my wireless off and on
[10:19] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, if i choose failsafe gnome in gdm window, it works perfectly
[10:19] <fyrestrtr> DJ_Danni: please read http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[10:19] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what is in your ~/.xsession-errors file?
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: did you do anything strange, like set a root password?
[10:20] <meheren> what is sql? aptitude is currently installing mysql-server5
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: or login as root into gnome?
[10:20] <unfg> fyrestrtr: i think im gonna try a desktop install and see if it works like that
[10:20] <meheren> Im just wodering what the heck it is
[10:20] <unfg> fyrestrtr: thanks for all your help tho
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> meheren: mysql is a database server
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> unfg: no problem.
[10:20] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, i got a root password since the beginnning... did nothing new, got to do a fsck the other day, apart that... nothing else
[10:20] <meheren> fyrestrtr, and why do i need it...?
[10:21] <DJ_Danni> i know but she say she cannoat find proftbd and how can i install it in othere way?
[10:21] <xnt> DJ_Danni: Open Synaptic and check your repositories, enable them all...
[10:21] <miranda82> !pastebin
[10:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:21] <DJ_Danni> ok
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> meheren: don't know, depends what you are installing.
[10:21] <TmWrk_Quil> grr
[10:21] <sykes> cpk2: Works now! Yay :D Thanks alot
[10:21] <TmWrk_Quil> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu server
[10:21] <AvatarX> I am having problems setting up a ATI RADEON 9800 PRO with Edgy... followed the forums... but no luck.
[10:21] <TmWrk_Quil> but it didn't let me set the root password
[10:21] <meheren> fyrestrtr, edgy
[10:21] <TmWrk_Quil> is there a default?
[10:21] <Bathmonster> can i get some help with my sounds card
[10:21] <Tupac^> hi there ,, how can i play my mp3 song and ram type ? what abut my move its not work withe me ... plz help me :)
[10:21] <AvatarX> (Edgy 64)
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: no one gets a root password. There is no root password in Ubuntu, unless you specifically set it.
[10:21] <kmaynard> TmWrk_Quil, ubuntu uses sudo by default
[10:21] <kmaynard> try sudo passwd
[10:21] <cpk2> sykes^: great, I was getting a little worried that you couldnt get an x display
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> meheren: what are you installing?
[10:22] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, i set it i mean... i am not a noob user... my xsession error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26199/
[10:22] <TmWrk_Quil> yeah but when i sudo anything as a user it prompts me for a password
[10:22] <meheren> fyrestrtr, im am upgrading to edgy
[10:22] <sykes^> cpk2: Nah, was talking on the phone
[10:22] <xnt> TmWrk_Quil: as far as i know theres no default passwd. type "sudo passwd" in a terminal
[10:22] <xnt> it'll let you set a passwd
[10:22] <TmWrk_Quil> k
[10:22] <fyrestrtr> meheren: don't know then -- try asking in #ubuntu+1
[10:22] <Tupac^> hi there ,, how can i play my mp3 song and ram type ? what abut my move its not work withe me ... plz help me :)
[10:23] <meheren> ok... heh
[10:23] <sykes^> Ok, time to "try" to install Wine
[10:23] <crippy> Tupac^, w32codecs
[10:23] <kmaynard> Tupac^, you need automatix
[10:23] <xnt> Tupac: try using a script called automatix
[10:23] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: are you logging into gdm as your normal user or as root?
[10:23] <ben> good evning all, quick question, is it possible to change the 'artist' tab in rythembox to read the 'album artist' (I have problems with compilation cds spamming the list)
[10:23] <kmaynard> it'll install real player *ughU also
[10:23] <crippy> kmaynard, You dont need automatix
[10:23] <xnt> or bumps
[10:23] <Tupac^> from where can i get it ?
[10:23] <fyrestrtr> xnt: DO NOT RECOMMEND AUTOMATIX!
[10:23] <bless> Anyone Can Help Me With This Error Please !---->               http://pastebin.com/804217
[10:23] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, normal user
[10:23] <gilianima> Who has got a VAIO ?
[10:23] <crippy> !w32codecs
[10:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:23] <cpk2> kmaynard: he *does not* need automatix
[10:23] <kmaynard> ben, dont login as root
[10:23] <sykes^> !winex
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <sykes^> !wine
[10:23] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:23] <kmaynard> cpk2, no, but it helps
[10:23] <DJ_Danni> Thang you that woork;)
[10:23] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what do you get on the console when you type gnome-session ?
[10:24] <sioux> hi folks how can i disable multicast?
[10:24] <SkyMountaineer> can i get some help with my sounds card pls
[10:24] <Tupac^> !automatix
[10:24] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[10:24] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, it works... it loads gnome-session... i m using it right now..
[10:24] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what is the output on the console.
[10:24] <Tupac^> thanx all :**
[10:24] <cpk2> Tupac^: automatix is not really suggested to be used
[10:24] <ben> kmaynard, I'm not I did launch xchat from firefox with alink though
[10:24] <crippy> Tupac^, You dont need automatix, just read the info on w32codecs
[10:24] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, if i do it again?
[10:24] <cappiz> i know this is offtopic, but, anyone here knows Matlab well :> ?
[10:24] <bless> Anyone Can Help Me With This Error Please !---->               http://pastebin.com/804217
[10:24] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: no, when you do it the first tiem
[10:24] <sykes^> Which Wine should I have? http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:24] <Tupac^> ok man i'll do it thanx agean
[10:24] <DJ_Danni> Hey is it safe to upgrate from Ubuntu v5.10 to 6?
[10:25] <cpk2> i got mp3 and wmv support in about 3 minutes
[10:25] <kmaynard> crippy, he said he wanted real playback too
[10:25] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, gotta scroll, wait
[10:25] <fyrestrtr> DJ_Danni: yes
[10:25] <sykes^> 6.06 i suppose?
[10:25] <DJ_Danni> how can i do that?
[10:25] <fyrestrtr> !upgrade
[10:25] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:25] <cpk2> sykes^: yup
[10:25] <sykes^> cpk2: Cant find out how to download it though :D
[10:25] <sykes^> Or nvm, found it
[10:26] <crippy> kmaynard, Im having no problems playing real media, As far as i remember i only have w32codecs installed
[10:26] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26201/
[10:26] <cpk2> sykes^: you know how to edit your sources list for repos right?
[10:26] <sykes^> cpk2: Honestly I have no idea
[10:26] <DJ_Danni> ?
[10:26] <bless> Anyone Can Help Me With This Error Please !---->               http://pastebin.com/804217
[10:26] <kmaynard> crippy, didnt know that was in there
[10:27] <crippy> kmaynard, Yeup
[10:27] <johnficca> fyrestrtr do you think this might be a driver problem, if it is should I try to reinstall that driver
[10:27] <kmaynard> learn something every day
[10:27] <cpk2> sykes^: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and past the repo that they have for 6.06 (if thats what you are using)
[10:27] <babwe> hi all having one q about world of warcraft from teminal I do ad L"c:\\windows\\system32\\WoW.exe": Module not found
[10:27] <babwe> babwe@dhcppc0:~$ su
[10:27] <cpk2> I'm there is a way to do it in synaptics too =P
[10:27] <sykes^> cpk2: Okay
[10:27] <cpk2> i'm sure*
[10:28] <babwe> sorry trying again
[10:28] <DJ_Danni> Hey hwo can i upgrate from v5.10 to 6?
[10:28] <Tupac^> know i am using fuckin windo i need to donload the w32codecs and run it in my ather pc
[10:28] <bless> http://pastebin.ca/196696  ANYONE CAN HELP ME with this ?!?!
[10:28] <kmaynard> !upgrade > DJ_Danni
[10:28] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[10:28] <[_MasteR_] > heh
[10:28] <kmaynard> bless, chill, pastebin isnt loading yet
[10:29] <crippy> Tupac^, Just download it on your other pc? and mind the language dude
[10:29] <SkyMountaineer> question i did have a network icon in the pannel next to the time and i removed it.. how do i put it back
[10:29] <Pelo> anyone know a file name converter that you can point to a  folder and it wll replace all the spaces in the filenames with  underscore ?
[10:29] <bless> kmaynard,  i know , this is other http://pastebin.ca/196696 more fast :D
[10:29] <[_MasteR_] > hey has someone nows how to open .jar files on UBUNTU
[10:29] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: hrmm, what is this script you are running at startup?
[10:29] <sykes^> cpk2: Cant find wine when I search for it in the synap
[10:29] <pike__> what is equivalent of usleep ? i need to make something sleep for like 2000 microseconds..
[10:29] <cpk2> Pelo: i wish
[10:29] <Tupac^> i need english V
[10:29] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, something to change the bg, i'm gonna take it out, let me try relogging
[10:29] <cpk2> sykes^: did you add the repo from winehq in synaptic?
[10:30] <babwe> when tryin to open wow in terminal with this wine WoW.exe -opengl I get this error  wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\WoW.exe": Module not found ..... wazz my problem
[10:30] <johnficca> fyrestrtr, do you think this might be a driver problem, and if so should I try to reinstall that driver
[10:30] <sykes^> cpk2: Aye
[10:30] <xnt> SkyMountaineer: right clic, add to panel
[10:30] <cpk2> i dont use gnome so I dont know how synaptic gui works
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> johnficca: it looks like it is.
[10:30] <Pelo> cpk2 I expect we aren't the only two and someone with knowledge out there might have made one
[10:30] <cpk2> sykes^: update first
[10:30] <sykes^> cpk2: But I got a error when I updated
[10:30] <loxs>  can anyone help me im trying to mount a drive in ubuntu to a windows share but its saying that the windows share im tyring to mapto isnt avaliable when it quite obviously is any ideas?
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> babwe: installed the drivers for your graphics card?
[10:30] <cpk2> sykes^: error is?
[10:30] <johnficca> fyrestrtr, thanks for all your help
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> bless: #python is where you want to be.
[10:30] <xnt> loxs: what command are you using?
[10:31] <bless> thanks fyrestrtr
[10:31] <sykes^> !pastebin
[10:31] <kmaynard> bless, what are you tring to do
[10:31] <babwe> I have and they work
[10:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:31] <bless> running psysoulseek p2p program
[10:31] <sykes^> cpk2: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26202/
[10:31] <miranda82> Kevc978, that was not the answer :S
[10:31] <loxs> /server/share /mnt/share cifs exec, credentials=/etc/cifspw
[10:31] <Tupac^> give me direct link 4 w32codecs to dowload it plz
[10:32] <cpk2> they have 64bit wine?
[10:32] <johnficca> the wireless card works better in edgy eft, but then I get other problems so I'm just wait tell it comes out
[10:32] <Tupac^> give me direct link 4 w32codecs to dowload it plz
[10:32] <kmaynard> !w32codecs
[10:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:32] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  sorry?
[10:32] <xnt> loxs: are you sure that's where your win partition is (/server/share)
[10:32] <loxs> its on a remote windows box
[10:32] <sykes^> cpk2: I got 64 bit amd
[10:32] <treedreamer> hi all , I have just upgraded to 6.10 beta :)
[10:33] <loxs> so //server/share
[10:33] <miranda82> Kevc978, i deleted the script from startup, but it still does not work
[10:33] <johnficca> Tupac^, have you tried Automatix for the w32codecs
[10:33] <normand> !alsaconf
[10:33] <kmaynard> treedreamer, i did that this weekend :)
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsaconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <kmaynard> TmWrk_Quil, how goes it?
[10:33] <normand> !alsa
[10:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:33] <xnt> loxs: i see... haven't done it anytime at all so can't help you, so sorry...
[10:33] <blesss> its sure update breezy to dapper?
[10:33] <blesss> safe*
[10:33] <loxs> no problem thanks for your time
[10:33] <crippy> Using automatix isnt really a good idea.
[10:33] <Tupac^> no its my first time to ask help her and i like ubuntu so much
[10:33] <Tupac^> thts y i need help
[10:33] <meheren>  i locked flash awhile ago... now i want to see if edgy will let it play the newer version didn't work in dapper
[10:33] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  i think you have me mixed with someone else, i never told you to delete any script
[10:34] <cpk2> sykes^: are you sure that is an actual repo? I cant find it on winehq
[10:34] <Tupac^> no its my first time to ask help her and i like ubuntu so much
[10:34] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  unless you mean sources.list?
[10:34] <Tupac^> thts y i need help
[10:34] <johnficca> I've done it no like 50 computers so far and it works good
[10:34] <sykes^> cpk2: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb              found it there
[10:34] <root___> i have a problem with samba... my wifes mac keeps thinking its in the workgroup "workgroup", but i could swear it was in mshome....
[10:34] <miranda82> Kevc978, noonoonon, we just checked my xsesssionerrors file
[10:34] <Tupac^> mu ubuntu play just WAV format thats all
[10:34] <root___> i have it sharing out a backup drive but only windows boxes seem to be able to connect to it
[10:34] <sykes^> cpk2: Doh wait, its for debian :D
[10:34] <crippy> johnficca, Just because it works for you doesnt mean its a good idea
[10:34] <xnt> tupac: just download bumps...
[10:34] <root___> anyone have any ideas on what i can do to get it working?
[10:34] <cpk2> sykes^: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main is the only repo i see and thats for 386
[10:34] <sykes^> cpk2: Hmm, the Ubuntu like goes to http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:35] <johnficca> No I mean on a lot of other computers
[10:35] <Tupac^>  xnt  tupac: just download bumps... // ok give me the link
[10:35] <sykes^> cpk2: Ok
[10:35] <miranda82> Kevc978, and u asked me about something i have in my startup session , and i thought maybe that was the reason because i get that xterm instead of gnome... and i logged out to check
[10:35] <kmaynard> root___, try #samba
[10:35] <crippy> johnficca, Still.
[10:35] <root___> yeah they dont talk
[10:35] <kmaynard> !pida
[10:35] <ubotu> pida: Python Integrated Development Application, a Python IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 131 kB, installed size 892 kB
[10:35] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: that was me.
[10:35] <cpk2> sykes^: I am pretty sure you need to compile from source for 64bit wine
[10:35] <crippy> johnficca, Plus what's he going to learn by using a script?
[10:35] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, Kevc978 sorry...
[10:35] <cpk2> and i am not sure if the windows apps will like that either
[10:35] <winga> how do i fixed package dependency problems?
[10:35] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: have you changed any network settings?
[10:35] <johnficca> crippy so it don't work for you
[10:35] <meheren>  i locked flash awhile ago... now i want to see if edgy will let it play the newer version didn't work in dapper
[10:35] <Kevc978> miranda82 -  hehe no prob
[10:35] <miranda82> i've been like hours and hours trying to find out the error...
[10:36] <miranda82> Kevc978, really sorry...
[10:36] <Ramunas> night everybody
[10:36] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, nope....
[10:36] <crippy> johnficca, I never said it wont work for me, im just saying its not always a good idea
[10:36] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: I have a solution, but its kind of a blunt force :)
[10:36] <johnficca> true
[10:36] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, tell me...
[10:36] <loxs> wow linux community is much friendlier than windows community
[10:36] <sykes^> cpk2: I need to what?
[10:36] <graft> we're smarter, too, loxs!
[10:36] <loxs> heh
[10:36] <xnt> tupac: download bumps from: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=181251
[10:36] <graft> and better-looking
[10:37] <loxs> maybe! lol but i still have my problem
[10:37] <cpk2> sykes^: build from source
[10:37] <johnficca> but some of us just don't have the time
[10:37] <graft> what's your probs?
[10:37] <cpk2> compile
[10:37] <loxs> which i qguess is 50% windows
[10:37] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: first, answer a few questions. Did you change your default shell?
[10:37] <miranda82> nope
[10:37] <cpk2> you know what having packages avoids
[10:37] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, nope
[10:37] <loxs> trying to mount using samba to a windows share but its saying the windows share isnt there when it is
[10:37] <sykes^> cpk2: Wow, ok, doubt I can do that :P
[10:37] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: okay, your localhost is up and running?
[10:37] <cpk2> apparently though its incredibly simple to build from source
[10:37] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, i got some king of hdd failure, i solved tih fsck, that's all
[10:37] <cpk2> in the case of wine
[10:38] <graft> loxs: ah, um, on the same subnet and such?
[10:38] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: you know how to backup your gnome settings?
[10:38] <loxs> oh yeh same network and all that
[10:38] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: because I think that will solve the problem.
[10:38] <linuxcrazy> anybody know of a good ubuntu guide to set up an ftp server?
[10:38] <crippy> johnficca, I just dont think using a script for such a trivial things as installing is a good idea you learn nothing from it, if you havent got the time and need multiple packages on diff boxes then use dpkg selections, And it doesnt use ubuntu repo's and it doesnt fail gracefully (last time i looked anyways)
[10:38] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, and reinstalling everything will also do the trick..
[10:38] <graft> loxs: um, mount command you're using?
[10:38] <miranda82> :S
[10:38] <loxs> they can seee each other i added the ip and everything to hosts file
[10:38] <loxs> /server/share /mnt/share cifs exec, credentials=/etc/cifspw
[10:38] <loxs> //server/share /mnt/share cifs exec, credentials=/etc/cifspw
[10:38] <cpk2> sykes^: remove the wine repo you put in and add the source wine repo
[10:38] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: no, that's not what I am after.
[10:39] <SkyMountaineer> !sound
[10:39] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:39] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, what do u suggest then?
[10:39] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, cuz i can load gnome-session from that xterm window....
[10:39] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what do you get with ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[10:39] <sykes^> cpk2: Which is?
[10:40] <graft> loxs erm... can you see it with smbclient? smbclient -L server?
[10:40] <tanja_> hello. there is no existing driver for my webcam. is there an program available to use windows driver to make devices work... something linke ndiswrapper for wlan cards??
[10:40] <cpk2> sykes^: then follow "building the wine package from source using apt" section
[10:40] <johnficca> crippy I think your right its better to teach people the hard way first
[10:40] <loxs> not tried
[10:40] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, -rw------- 1 miranda miranda 213 2006-10-10 22:30 .Xauthority
[10:40] <cpk2> sykes^: the source repo deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main (if you are using dapper)
[10:40] <loxs> yep
[10:40] <loxs> :)
[10:40] <loxs> cool
[10:40] <loxs> i can see it there
[10:40] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: sudo apt-get install gnome-reset <-- this will backup and restore your gnome session, I think it will do the trick.
[10:40] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, the permissions are bad set, no?
[10:40] <graft> loxs okay neat.. and what does mount say?
[10:41] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: no, they are okay.
[10:41] <sykes^> cpk2: Now the soruces.list seem to be corrupt, he can update syna
[10:41] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, k
[10:41] <LazyAngel> how can i direct stuff to stdin when you use sudo? eg. "cat file | sudo myprog" will send file to sudo, not myprog :(
[10:41] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: and I have to get out of here.
[10:41] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, ok... here comes the error... after downloading the package..  apt gets stucked..
[10:41] <loxs> sorry graft what do you mean?
[10:41] <loxs> what does mount say?
[10:41] <graft> loxs when you do mount /mnt/share
[10:42] <fyrestrtr> LazyAngel: sudo myprog < file
[10:42] <loxs> /mnt/share is a directory
[10:42] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: what error?
[10:42] <deus__> Have there been any knowledge about error regarding usbnet for dappers?
[10:42] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, no error... just stucked..
[10:42] <deus__> im trying to connect my ipaq
[10:42] <LazyAngel> fyrestrtr: thanks
[10:42] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: .... hdd light blinking?
[10:42] <graft> loxs um you put that line in your /etc/fstab, yes?
[10:43] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, nope
[10:43] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: good god.
[10:43] <loxs> i was just trying to execute it
[10:43] <loxs> to see if it would work
[10:43] <linuxcrazy> !ftp server
[10:43] <ubotu> ftp: The FTP client. In component main, is standard. Version 0.17-16 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 152 kB
[10:43] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, i noticed, that i can only apt correctly if i reboot into recovery mode
[10:43] <sykes^> cpk2: Cant update the list anymore, I get a error all the time
[10:43] <graft> loxs ah... um, that's not an executable line, that's an fstab entry
[10:44] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: sounds like your permissions are hosed.
[10:44] <loxs> lol
[10:44] <loxs> im a dork
[10:44] <cpk2> sykes^: do it manually, close synaptic and do gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:44] <moox111> hi all
[10:44] <fyrestrtr> miranda82: but I need more time to debug this.
[10:44] <Ronz> hey yall...i have an api mismatch with my nvidia card. anyone have an idea on how to fix this?
[10:44] <sykes^> I did, still get the error
[10:44] <Ronz> "has the version 1.0-8762 but this x module has the version
[10:44] <Ronz> 1.0-8774."
[10:44] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, bah, does not matter, go, thx for trying :)
[10:44] <fyrestrtr> and right now, I must sleep :) almost midnight here.
[10:44] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, 22:44 here
[10:44] <fyrestrtr> same, and I have a 30 minute drive home
[10:45] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, i have not eated, not had shower... nothing...
[10:45] <Ronz> and im on the verge of throwing it out my dorm window....;)
[10:45] <linuxcrazy> can someone give me a link to a guide on installing an ftp server please?
[10:45] <fyrestrtr> we can work on it tomorrow if you are online in the evening.
[10:45] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, the thing annoys me, is that if i launch gnome-session from that xterm, it works..
[10:45] <loxs> ok cool
[10:45] <loxs> added to fstab
[10:46] <Ronz> hey yall...i have an api mismatch with my nvidia card. anyone have an idea on how to fix this?
[10:46] <fyrestrtr> linuxcrazy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FtpServer
[10:46] <graft> loxs - okay, so now sudo mount /mnt/share should work, maybe
[10:46] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, uf... i dunno, got class from 19 to 21
[10:46] <linuxcrazy> ty!!
[10:46] <graft> Ronz - what are you trying to do exacky?
[10:46] <sykes^> cpk2: Still cant find anything about wine when I search after I added it to sources.list
[10:46] <bmk789_> linuxcrazy?!?! i know you
[10:46] <miranda82> fyrestrtr, i'll try
[10:46] <linuxcrazy> lol
[10:46] <linuxcrazy> idk
[10:46] <linuxcrazy> do I know you?
[10:46] <miranda82> thx anyway
[10:46] <linuxcrazy> we had hard words
[10:47] <fyrestrtr> okay later everyone. Happy ubuntu-ing
[10:47] <Ronz> graft, im trying to install my nvidia card. 6800 GT, and ive been going bakd and forth for days with it
[10:47] <sykes^> gtg afk for a few
[10:47] <cpk2> sykes^: post your sources.list
[10:47] <bmk789_> wheres the edgy room?
[10:47] <graft> Ronz and sticking it in doesn't work...?
[10:47] <blesss> anyone know how much free space must i have to update to dapper
[10:47] <linuxcrazy> ubuntu+1
[10:47] <cpk2> pastebin it
[10:47] <sun_> hi anyone know how to select multiple items in a selection box using firefox?
[10:47] <sun_> hi anyone know how to select multiple items in a selection box using firefox?
[10:47] <sykes^> cpk2: Wait, need to go out for 5 min, ill post it when I get back
[10:48] <sun_> hi anyone know how to select multiple items in a selection box using firefox?
[10:48] <Ronz> graft, the card works. im trying to get 3d acceleration to work on it. heres the error it gives me. "teh nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-8762 but this x module has the version 1.0-8774"
[10:48] <[BTF] Chm0d> anyone in here play quake2?  or have problems with the mouse going down when it should go up and vice-versa?
[10:49] <Zaggynl> anyone has a working .deb of an amsn audio plugin
[10:49] <Ronz> [BTF] Chm0d, invert the pitch
[10:49] <graft> Ronz: clarity is a virtue, here. HOW are you trying to get 3d acceleration to work?
[10:49] <[BTF] Chm0d> ive tried inverting the mouse
[10:49] <blesss> anyone know how much free space must i have to update to dapper
[10:50] <lupine_85> blesss: depends
[10:50] <Ronz> graft, sorry bout that. =P i have installed nvidia-glx, and linux-restricted-modules for my kernel. once i do that, i run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" then ctrl alt backspace. it either A. hangs up or B. kicks back the api mismatch error
[10:50] <lupine_85> run apt-cache clean to get some more though
[10:50] <bmk789_> blesss: use apt-get and find out
[10:50] <johnjosephbachir> so... it seems like mysql isn't built into the php that comes with Dapper?
[10:50] <graft> Ronz ah  - um, did you try installing from nvidia.com first?
[10:50] <blesss> lupine_85,  why depends
[10:51] <blesss> if i got 800 megas can i update?
[10:51] <Ronz> graft, i dont want to have to redo the driver every time i update my kernel
[10:51] <lupine_85> it depends on what needs downloading
[10:51] <blesss> i am in breezy now
[10:51] <blesss> i want to upate to dapper
[10:51] <blesss> update*
[10:51] <lupine_85> sorry, I don't keep the entire repo in my head
[10:51] <blesss> but with 800 megas can i?
[10:51] <[BTF] Chm0d> ronz is inverting the pitch same as inverting the mouse?
[10:51] <lupine_85> run the update and it'll tell you how much it needs
[10:51] <graft> Ronz - you have to. but hopefully you'r enot updating your kernel every day, eh?
[10:52] <lupine_85> if that's more than 800MB, then no
[10:52] <blesss> ok thanks
[10:52] <Ronz> graft, aight. ill try that and see if it works
[10:52] <Ronz> *sighs to ubuntu*
[10:52] <graft> Ronz - no, don't try that
[10:52] <rem__> .
[10:52] <graft> Ronz - err, i meant, if you tried that that might explain the mismatch
[10:52] <graft> sorry
[10:52] <pike__> blesss: you can remove some things like rm -fr /usr/share/doc/* and such
[10:52] <Ronz> graft, ah, ok
[10:52] <Ronz> lol
[10:53] <graft> Err, so what're you running, Ronz, the 2.6.15 kernel?
[10:53] <Ronz> graft, yes
[10:54] <vertana> Could someone please explain what is meant when it's said "Upgrading Edgy to Edgy +1"?
[10:54] <vertana> Or is that simply the final version?
[10:54] <loxs> graft i got it sorted thanks alot for your help mate
[10:54] <loxs> much appreciated!
[10:54] <xzakox> hi
[10:54] <segfault_> vertana, edgy+1 is version to come after edgy likely 7.04
[10:55] <vertana> Ah, thank you :)
[10:55] <xzakox> anyone is suffering segfaults when running apt? (edgy)
[10:55] <Jaak_> my scanner doesnt work, although xsane recognizes it, after the scan it says it has miscommunication
[10:55] <Jaak_> now what?
[10:55] <Ronz> graft, 2.6.15-27-386
[10:55] <segfault_> xzakox, ask in #ubuntu+1
[10:55] <xzakox> tnks
[10:56] <graft> Ronz um, and you installed the appropriate restricted modules and nvidia-glx
[10:56] <graft> try 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable'
[10:56] <Kevc978> any of you guys got a fix for the (no debugging symbols found) errors yet?
[10:56] <Kevc978> dealing with loads of bug reports, seems to link to gtk tho
[10:57] <Ronz> done...time to ctrl alt backspace
[10:57] <SkyMountaineer> why do i get this error  WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'options'
[10:59] <rob88> anyone know what type of nntp software sites like giganews/newshosting/usenetserver use?
[10:59] <freesun> anyone can help me? I am trying to get grub back after winXP reinstall
[10:59] <freesun> no idea how to boot old ubuntu session though
[11:00] <SkyMountaineer> can i get some hlp on my sounds card issue pls
[11:01] <preaction> k0rd, defrag? what's that?
[11:01] <k0rd> defragging windows
[11:01] <k0rd> so i can install ubuntu
[11:01] <preaction> you don't need to
[11:01] <ubuntu> ?
[11:01] <ubuntu> hola
[11:01] <k0rd> preaction, the partitioning will take longer
[11:01] <k0rd> :\
[11:01] <HexDump> hi all
[11:01] <preaction> k0rd, uh.. no?
[11:02] <k0rd> so you're telling me, if I dual-boot this, I don't need to defrag windows so that it won't take longer?
[11:02] <k0rd> Because I have to free up more space cause Windows spreads shit all over the harddrive
[11:02] <HexDump> can I execute a desketop app in root mode? for example Ark, that is the one Im having trouble with
[11:02] <preaction> k0rd, are the partitions already made?
[11:02] <k0rd> no
[11:02] <Vornotron> If you need to make partitions, you really should defrag first
[11:02] <Ronz> hey graft, that didin't work. i probably screwed something up somewhere...so im just gonna do a clean install and hope that works. thanks for the help though. =)
[11:03] <preaction> k0rd, good luck then, i've never had a resize work right :(
[11:03] <Vornotron> Because that way you'll have the most possible continuous space at the end of the Windows partition, so you can resize it.
[11:03] <xarq> does anyone know of a wireless nic card for a desktop which ubuntu will recognize without needing any special drivers installed?
[11:03] <k0rd> Yeah, I haven't had a resize work either
[11:03] <k0rd> :\
[11:03] <sykes^> cpk2: Back now, 1 sec
[11:03] <Vornotron> If you don't defrag, you may get only a little - or none at all - space at the end of the drive for the resize.
[11:03] <xarq> wireless USB would be even better
[11:03] <Vornotron> Resize has never failed for me
[11:03] <preaction> that's why i just usually rebuild the whole drive
[11:04] <k0rd> im n00b to Linux Volstrup
[11:04] <k0rd> :\
[11:04] <sykes^> cpk2: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26205/
[11:04] <Vornotron> I had to do it once on a shared partition because WIndows wouldn't recognize that the drive was larger than 128gb.
[11:04] <Vornotron> GiB, rather
[11:04] <k0rd> so I just defragged twice
[11:04] <k0rd> Vornotron, is there a tutorial you could suggest for dual-booting?
[11:05] <ikonia> has anyone seen problems with mobile cpu's running at half speed and not scaling up to full speed ?
[11:05] <cpk2> sykes^: the wine repo isnt in there
[11:05] <Vornotron> k0rd: not that I can think of - I just used the standard Ubuntu CD's installer, which did all that crap for me.
[11:05] <sykes^> cpk2: Oh? What is the ling?
[11:05] <sykes^> cpk2: line
[11:05] <k0rd> So just use the Resize SCSI and used freedspace
[11:05] <k0rd> use that option?
[11:05] <Vornotron> (but you'll want to fiddle with the grub configurator)
[11:06] <Volstrup> k0rd: why do you tell me that?
[11:06] <k0rd> tell you what?
[11:06] <cpk2> sykes^: the source repo winehq gives you
[11:06] <Vornotron> I think he was aiming at me
[11:06] <Volstrup> ahhh... I see :-)
[11:06] <k0rd> Vornotron, so just use the Resize SCSI and used freed space, and it should partition and dual-boot itself?
[11:06] <sykes^> cpk2: Oh ok
[11:07] <graveson> anyone know where i can find the devede tool packaged for debian ?
[11:07] <[BTF] Chm0d> anyone else in here play first person game ie. quake 2 and their mouse is messed up?
[11:07] <ikonia> try asking in #debian ?
[11:07] <ikonia> they may know better
[11:07] <xittum> buidl-essential
[11:07] <xittum> *build
[11:07] <Vornotron> Ubuntu will resize - but not defrag - FAT and NTFS partitions.
[11:07] <sykes^> cpk2: Added it now, still cant find anything when I search
[11:08] <whyso> does ubuntu support external hd enclusures that use esata?
[11:08] <kjempe> hi all
[11:08] <Vornotron> So just defrag, do the install saying that you want dual boot and to resize the existing partition
[11:08] <k0rd> Well I just defragged the disk twice
[11:08] <kjempe> anybody can help me w/ a question about dapper?
[11:08] <k0rd> so you think it'd be safe to go ahead and try to install?
[11:08] <Vornotron> Ought to be.
[11:08] <cpk2> sykes^: keep synaptics closed, i think apt-get will keep it more simple =)
[11:08] <lupine_85> !ask
[11:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:08] <sykes^> cpk2: Or wait, is it "libwine" or "libwine-dev"?
[11:08] <k0rd> alright, well i'll be back in a little bit and let you guys know how it went
[11:09] <jaye> I just tried to update my version of edgy and it fails on upgrading gdm with a permissions error on /var/lib/gdm/.cookie /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth? it won't let me remove the files as root also, anyone else had this?
[11:09] <kjempe> could you do "sudo sysv-rc-conf" and tell me what runlevel "bootclean" is on
[11:09] <kjempe> ?
[11:09] <whyso> also, from k0rd do you have to defag before you install ubuntu
[11:09] <cpk2> sykes^: after adding the source repo to sources.list do sudo apt-get update
[11:09] <lupine_85> the latter for compiling a win32 app into an ELF binary
[11:09] <whyso> does ubuntu support external hd enclusures that use esata?
[11:09] <HexDump> is there anyway to be root in kde?
[11:10] <HexDump> with ubuntu?
[11:10] <lupine_85> HexDump: you probably don't want to run KDE as root
[11:10] <sykes^> cpk2: Done that, I only get up something that looks like wine, called "libwine" and "libwind-dev"
[11:10] <kjempe> could anyone do "sudo sysv-rc-conf" and tell me what runlevel "bootclean" is on?
[11:10] <lupine_85> running a particular KDE app as root is as simple as kdesu <app>
[11:10] <whyso> do you have to defragment before resizing your windows partitian
[11:10] <lupine_85> whyso: yep
[11:10] <HexDump> kdesu
[11:10] <lupine_85> kdesu is your friend
[11:10] <Vornotron> whyso: you do, yes.
[11:10] <whyso> thanks
[11:11] <whyso> also, does ubuntu support external hd enclusures that use esata?
[11:11] <lupine_85> run from alt+f2 if possible rather than a terminal
[11:11] <Jaak> is there anyone who can help me with my scanner problems?
[11:11] <lupine_85> whyso: probably
[11:11] <lupine_85> it supports everything else
[11:11] <Vornotron> Because if you don't you won't get any free space to resize the partition with.
[11:11] <whyso> oh ok :)
[11:11] <kjempe> Could anyone please do "sudo sysv-rc-conf" and tell me what runlevel "bootclean" is on?
[11:11] <Alberto> hi
[11:11] <cpk2> sykes^: apt-cache search wine
[11:12] <whyso> this sort of sucks since my copy of windows is busted and i cant even defrag (which is why im switching)
[11:12] <Ichigo_kun> resalut tout le monde
[11:12] <HexDump> lupine_85:  but, look, for example, I wnat to change a hard drive rights, to let my user write to it. I can do it because I? not root, and I don wnat to go to console to do this things, is this posible to do this with kde contextual menues?
[11:12] <sykes^> cpk2: in terminal?
[11:12] <whyso> anyone have an idea to help me?
[11:12] <Vornotron> whyso: ow.
[11:12] <cpk2> sykes^: yup
[11:12] <lupine_85> HexDump: yes
[11:12] <Jaak> I've installed the appropriate drivers for my scanner, when i start xsane, it recognizes my scanner, when i push the scan button my scanner starts to scan, but when it's done xsane says it had a communication error, i don't know what to do, can someone help me?
[11:12] <lupine_85> if a KDE program needs admin privs, it should prompt for them
[11:12] <lupine_85> if not, run it with kdesu and it'll have them automagically
[11:12] <whyso> hornotron: yeah i know its a shared computer and my family isnt virus aware :(
[11:13] <sykes^> cpk2: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26206/
[11:13] <Vornotron> whyso: get a second hard drive (this is one of those things that you should have floating around) and install windows or linux on /it/ and then back up your windows drive.
[11:13] <Phuzion> Hey, I've got a bit of a wierd network setup here, and I need my machine to automatically configure itself correctly to connect to the internet before it does the clock synchronization during boot time
[11:13] <lupine_85> whyso: if there's plenty of free space on the windows drive, you might be lucky and have enough spare at the end to resize it
[11:13] <man-of-christ> is there a program in linux where i can open and or extract cue/files
[11:13] <lupine_85> no guarantees though
[11:13] <Phuzion> Can someone help me out
[11:13] <kjempe> could anyone do "sudo sysv-rc-conf" and tell me what runlevel "bootclean" is on?
[11:13] <k0rd> k, im on the live cd now
[11:14] <kjempe> it's quite urgent
[11:14] <lupine_85> man-of-christ: convert to .iso using bchunj
[11:14] <graft> !ask
[11:14] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:14] <lupine_85> bchunk*
[11:14] <whyso> ty vorno
[11:14] <cpk2> sykes^: I made a mistake, add the other wine repo as well
[11:14] <lupine_85> bootclean?
[11:14] <sykes^> Ok
[11:14] <Phuzion> graft:  was that directed at me?
[11:14] <k0rd> k, partitioning
[11:14] <graft> yep
[11:14] <kjempe> right
[11:14] <sykes^> cpk2:  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main?
[11:14] <cpk2> sure
[11:14] <Phuzion> if you had what i said earlier, you'd see that i did actually state my problem and was just asking for help
[11:14] <HexDump> lupine_85: sorry to trouble you so much but I do right click on a windows harddrive, then I change rights and it doesn prompt for anything, it only says, permision not allowed to /mnt/windows/e
[11:14] <Phuzion> Hey, I've got a bit of a wierd network setup here, and I need my machine to automatically configure itself correctly to connect to the internet before it does the clock synchronization during boot time
[11:14] <lupine_85> sorry - edgy here, doesn't seem to be here
[11:15] <graft> ah
[11:15] <kjempe> okay
[11:15] <lupine_85> HexDump: so you're wanting to give your user account write access to an NTFS or FAT32 partition?
[11:15] <Phuzion> i specifically have to run route add deafult gw <IP_ADDRESS> before I can connect to the internet
[11:15] <kjempe> doesn't seem to be too important then
[11:15] <graft> um, just put your clock-synch script in /etc/network/if-up.d
[11:15] <lupine_85> Phuzion: add gateway some-ip to /etc/network/interfaces
[11:16] <HexDump> lupine_85: yes, fat32 one
[11:16] <kjempe> cheers
[11:16] <sykes^> cpk2: Nope, I get the 404 error again if I add deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[11:16] <roy_> Hey guys, I have a question and was wondering if anyone here could maybe help me out?
[11:16] <Phuzion> lupine_85, thanks will try
[11:16] <ramvi> Ubuntu doesn't find my wireless network. It finds my wireless card. And I've got network manager, but it just ignores my wireless network. Is this a known issue?
[11:16] <lupine_85> ok, add uid=1000,gid=1000 to the appropriate line in /etc/fstab
[11:16] <whyso> is there any way to defrag ntfs from ubuntu? my windows is busted and i cant from there
[11:16] <graft> ramvi: yeah, the issue is network manager doesn't work
[11:17] <lupine_85> (or whatever your user's group and user id's are)
[11:17] <whyso> and i cant reinstall XP cause i lost my cd key
[11:17] <physicsnick> what's a good utility for mass renaming files?
[11:17] <lupine_85> mv :)
[11:17] <physicsnick> :/
[11:17] <roy_> I have a question about getting my screen to turn off when I close the lid.  I've found tons of help on getting the screen to turn back on when I open it, but mine never turns off.  I'm using an Inspiron 8200 with an NVIDIA GeForce 4 440 GO card.
[11:17] <lupine_85> mp3rename does mp3s according to ID3 tags
[11:17] <graft> physicsnick: shell scripts, using echo & sed
[11:18] <HexDump> lupine_85: aha, I have to do it by hand... then I don understand why kde shows me this options to do that :?. Gonna do it now thnx mate
[11:18] <Phuzion> lupine_85:  That's already there, yet I still have to run the command every time I boot the machine
[11:18] <ramvi> graft, I can't find it the network in the network-thing that comes with ubuntu either
[11:18] <lupine_85> peculiar
[11:18] <lupine_85> have you tried hitting it with a hammer?
[11:18] <graft> ramvi: i've never found a wireless network-management tool that i liked
[11:18] <whyso> > is there any way to defrag ntfs from ubuntu? my windows is busted and i cant from there, and i cant reinstall it cause i lost the cd :(
[11:19] <physicsnick> graft: thanks
[11:19] <sykes^> cpk2: This is impossible :/
[11:19] <graft> ramvi: but i use KDE anyway, so probably no good for you
[11:19] <sykes^> cpk2: Stupid 64 bit amd processor
[11:19] <roy_> Does anyone think they could help me with my issue?
[11:19] <graft> ramvi: you should do /sbin/iwlist <interface> scan to see if it can pick up your network at all
[11:19] <cpk2> sykes^: you should be able to hit deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main seeing as I am able to
[11:20] <knap> what is the release date for edgy?
[11:20] <graft> whyso: um, copy your important data off and cut'n'run?
[11:20] <Jaak> I've installed the appropriate drivers for my scanner, when i start xsane, it recognizes my scanner, when i push the scan button my scanner starts to scan, but when it's done xsane says it had a communication error, i don't know what to do, can someone help me?
[11:20] <graft> knap: oct. 27th
[11:20] <knewt> i'm seeing the following error message. any ideas?   "libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work"   - it /is/ there in /lib
[11:20] <whyso> graft: i would but i want to keep XP for gaming
[11:20] <knap> graft ok thanks
[11:20] <sykes^> cpk2: Yeah, but this is the only things I can find http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26206/
[11:21] <lampshade> Is there a safe command for apt that will tell me what packages will be removed when I go to install other packages?  Like an emerge pretend maybe?
[11:21] <HexDump> bye all!!!
[11:21] <graft> whyso: just get a console, man... all the good games are for consoles these days anyway
[11:22] <cpk2> sykes^: you said that you arent hitting deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main though right?
[11:22] <tuxub> is there a way to make evolution print images on e-mails?
[11:22] <Phuzion> Can I install WINE on Gnome?
[11:22] <sykes^> Yep
[11:22] <sykes^> cpk2: Yep
[11:22] <whyso> graft: no money for console/games at the moment :(
[11:22] <Phuzion> haha, 3 yes no questions within about 5 seconds
[11:22] <Phuzion> That makes stuff confusing
[11:23] <whyso> just using bittorrent/pc
[11:23] <gkamysz> Hello! I'm/ working on a network between XP and Ubuntu. I followed the "How to peer to peer" in the networking forum. i got to the point were I see my ubuntu dapper box on my XP box but it won't accept my password to gain access. I've checked the passwords, and I'm pretty sure than I have everything correct. I actually created a second user and password for samba and still nothing.
[11:23] <lampshade> Phuzion: yes, absolutely
[11:23] <graft> whyso: well you can get snes9x and a starfox rom for linux, and you'll be happy as a clam at high tide
[11:23] <ramvi> graft, iwlist returns that eth1 is an unknown command. And yes, that's the name of the card. iwlist returned the same on a machine that actually finds the network
[11:23] <be> hi
[11:23] <Phuzion> lampshade:  what is the package name on apt-get in console?
[11:24] <graft> ramvi: uh... say what? does your interface show up on /sbin/iwconfig?
[11:24] <lampshade> Phuzion: I believe you must add a special wine repo to your sources.list   mine is      deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main    as found in the wiki
[11:24] <whyso> graft: yeah, that sounds fun :)
[11:25] <Phuzion> lampshade:  Thanks, I guess I'll just start some research of my own
[11:25] <knewt> lampshade: -s  ?
[11:25] <ramvi> graft, yupp. As eth1
[11:25] <graft> whyso: few games are better than starfox...
[11:25] <knewt> no ideas on the libgcc error?
[11:25] <Vertana> What's better than Starfox and most games out there? Duke Nukem :D
[11:25] <graft> ramvi: sounds fuX0r3d
[11:25] <lampshade> Phuzion: if you just want to go with it, this is exactly what I do.  I mean I just pulled that address from my sources.list   I have wine installed just by doing apt-get wine or something like that after adding that repo
[11:25] <tanja_> does anybody know where I can get a driver for my webcam syntek dc1125 - stored in my asus a6t-ap005h notebook ??
[11:26] <Vertana> Lampshade:... google =p
[11:26] <Phuzion> lampshade:  I want to get a little more understanding about WINE though before I start messing too much with it
[11:27] <lampshade> Phuzion: Of course.  It is pretty nice though.  I'm amazed at what it can do.
[11:27] <cpk2> sykes^: well I dont know what to say if that wine repo wont work
[11:27] <cpk2> !easysource
[11:27] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:27] <lampshade> Vertana, Knewt, how did I miss that in the man haha RAH!
[11:27] <Phuzion> Awesome, I'll probably be using it primarily for Internet Explorer (joking of course)
[11:27] <lampshade> thanks
[11:27] <Max_-> some software needs libatk1.0-0 to run... I loaded libatk1.0-dev ... now it still says I need libatk1.0-1 .. so I searched.. found the deb package.. but I cant Install it, it says I already have newer version... even if I apt-get remove the 1.0-dev one!!.. how can I do???
[11:28] <Max_-> sorry.. I asked earlier but .. the buffer was too small
[11:28] <lampshade> Phuzion: I use it for Picasa and that's about all now
[11:28] <ramvi> graft, absolutely
[11:28] <tanja_> does anybody know where I can get a driver for my webcam syntek dc1125 - stored in my asus a6t-ap005h notebook ??
[11:28] <Phuzion> Holy crap, I just realized this machine is on 5.04, I'm gonna go upgrade real quick
[11:28] <graft> ramvi '/sbin/iwlist eth1 scan' doesn't work?
[11:28] <sykes^> cpk2: I'll wait for the 64 bits version, but thanks for the help :)
[11:29] <cpk2> sykes^: they might not do one
[11:29] <cpk2> sykes^: you could download the source yourself and compile yourself
[11:29] <sykes^> They are making one, search google and youll see
[11:30] <ramvi> graft, oh! It works - in a way... It can't find it...
[11:30] <ramvi> graft, no scan results..
[11:30] <optimusprime_> is it possible to transfer files between a Win XP partition to a Linux Partition?
[11:31] <graft> um... but it does try to scan at least
[11:31] <TmWrk_Quil> who do you have to kill to get sshd working on ubuntu server
[11:31] <optimusprime_> or the other way around...
[11:31] <Phuzion> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the correct thing to use to go from a distro to the next, right?
[11:31] <tanja_> optimusprime: of course
[11:31] <Phuzion> after changing out the sources.list file of course
[11:31] <graft> optimusprime_: you can mount windows in linux, but not linux in windows (thus proving that windows is inferior)
[11:31] <rendo> What's the trash command for the terminal?
[11:32] <rendo> More importantly how cna I empty it. :P
[11:32] <whyso> how is ubuntu different from debian?
[11:32] <pike__> optimusprime_: writing directly to ntfs is not a good idea or at least im too paranoid to do it.  Most people keep a fat32 partition for media and stuff for both machines to access
[11:32] <rendo> whyso: It's cuter.
[11:32] <whyso> hehe
[11:32] <Phuzion> Personally, I think it's easier to maintain than Debian
[11:32] <Phuzion> But that's just my opinion
[11:32] <graft> yeah, packages are better maintained
[11:32] <Phuzion> Package management is a breeze
[11:32] <BHSPitLappy> pike_, optimusprime_, have you tried the new ntfs-3g driver?
[11:32] <BHSPitLappy> it's supposed to work perfectly for ntfs in linux
[11:32] <graft> and they actually have, like, release cycles
[11:33] <Madeye> QL
[11:33] <whyso> ah ok thanx
[11:33] <Phuzion> Believe it or not, I use Ubuntu in all of my servers as well as my Linux workstations
[11:33] <Max_-> some software needs libatk1.0-0 to run... I loaded libatk1.0-dev ... now it still says I need libatk1.0-1 .. so I searched.. found the deb package.. but I cant Install it, it says I already have newer version... even if I apt-get remove the 1.0-dev one!!.. how can I do???
[11:34] <pike__> BHSPitLappy: nope. i might try it but i havent had an ntfs partition in a while
[11:34] <tanja_> does anybody know where I can get a driver for my webcam syntek dc1125 - stored in my asus a6t-ap005h notebook ??
[11:34] <Phuzion> I needed to build a program the other day, but I wasn't sure what I would need in order to build, apt-get install build-essential gave me the entire freaking Home Depot
[11:34] <rendo> What's the trash command for the terminal?
[11:34] <Phuzion> !trash
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <j1> I had divided by hard drive to be able to use both Linux Ubuntu and Windows XP. After updating Ubuntu yesterday, Windows disappeared from the GRUB menu at start up. How do I regain access to Windows?
[11:35] <Phuzion> j1:  Modify your grub list
[11:35] <whyso> why does windows still use ntfs if there are better out there
[11:35] <pike__> rendo: you could mv file ~/.Trash  or to just delete it rm file
[11:35] <apokryphos> whyso: it's their filesystem, they can control how it works
[11:35] <Syco54645> is a network connection needed for the base ubuntu server install
[11:35] <apokryphos> Syco54645: no
[11:36] <whyso> ah ok, thats kind of assholish :( (not to provide an api for other operating systems)
[11:36] <j1> Okay, tell me what to enter on the grub list.
[11:36] <willys_fueguino> I need help: Gcc makes an infinite loop when I run the command "ake"
[11:36] <willys_fueguino> *make
[11:36] <Phuzion> j1:  You found it, correct?
[11:36] <Phuzion> it's at /boot/grub/menu.lst for reference
[11:36] <apokryphos> whyso: well, it's closed source -- that's to be expected. But it causes big problems for us, like we can't get journalling right with NTFS because of it
[11:37] <Syco54645> apokryphos: ok because i am now server admin of the compsci club server and we aparently need to register the mac to get network access.  once the server is installed i can just change the mac with ifconfig and it should work that way so that we can get the needed packages
[11:37] <willys_fueguino> I need help: Gcc makes an infinite loop when I run the command "make"
[11:37] <Phuzion> j1:  Where do you have the Windows install put at?  Don't say C:/Windows, either
[11:37] <j1> Yes, I can enter the GRUB menu, and there are instructions for adding an option. I don't know whether or not I can simply create a line and enter Window XP or not.
[11:38] <Phuzion> Yes, you can
[11:38] <totall_6_7> Why didnt someone tell me this was there?!?! UBUNTU has a GUI for pure-pfpd :D:D:D:D:D
[11:38] <jshamash66> Is there a way to browse Nautilus with access permissions? (so I don't have to type 'sudo...' in terminal every time i want to move or delete something)?
[11:38] <Phuzion> totall_6_7:  That would be so nice to use, if any of my FTP servers had GUI's
[11:38] <pike__> totall_6_7: bah to frontends :)
[11:38] <Marlun> I've created a shell script but I can't seem to run it as super user writing "sudo my_script" then I just get a message telling me there is not such command. (running just my_script works good)
[11:38] <hmrocha> hello
[11:39] <totall_6_7> pike_:  hehehehe
[11:39] <hmrocha> when will ubuntu edgy be released?
[11:39] <Phuzion> Marlun: Try sudo -s | my_script
[11:39] <Phuzion> That could work
[11:39] <apokryphos> hmrocha: please read the FAQ
[11:39] <Phuzion> But you'll be logged in as root
[11:39] <Phuzion> So, be careful with what you do there
[11:39] <JacksLivr> iptables is not installed as an init script. in fedora i would type "chkconfg --add iptables" to add it. how do i do this in ubuntu?
[11:40] <willys_fueguino> I need help: Gcc makes an infinite loop when I run the command "make"
[11:40] <j1> I don't know where my Windows install is. My son divided the memory and installed Windows so I could use both. I don't know what he did.
[11:40] <apokryphos> j1: pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l
[11:40] <Phuzion> What is Ubuntu listed as in menu.lst?
[11:40] <pike__> Marlun: you can bash scriptname or ./scriptname
[11:41] <Phuzion> j1:  What is the root value for Ubuntu in menu.lst?
[11:41] <j1> I'll have to restart to get that. See you in a bit.
[11:41] <Phuzion> Alright
[11:41] <willys_fueguino> I need help: Gcc makes an infinite loop when I run the command "make"
[11:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell willys_fueguino about repeat
[11:42] <jshamash66> is there a way to delete administrator files from nautilus or konqueror without typing 'sudo rm.." in terminal each time?
[11:43] <apokryphos> jshamash66: alt+f2 -> gksudo nautilus
[11:43] <Phuzion> sudo -s works to log you in as root
[11:43] <apokryphos> sudo -i is recommended
[11:43] <apokryphos> and gksudo specifically for Graphical applications
[11:43] <Phuzion> whats the difference?
[11:43] <apokryphos> though that's more important with KDE apps
[11:43] <jshamash66> thanks
[11:43] <hmrocha> apokryphos: in the faq it says that it will be released in october, but will it be in the end of october?
[11:43] <apokryphos> Phuzion: -i sets up the environment more appropriately for a root session
[11:44] <apokryphos> hmrocha: then there's probably not a date set just yet. End of October I'd imagine though, yes.
[11:44] <Phuzion> Like, the desktop manager?  Or the system itself?
[11:44] <apokryphos> the session itself
[11:44] <Phuzion> Ok
[11:44] <apokryphos> more info in the man page
[11:44] <Phuzion> alright
[11:44] <hmrocha> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[11:46] <Leo5> Hello everybody!
[11:48] <TmWrk_Quil> ok guys, i need some help - i've checked the ubuntu website and it had some of the information, but not all - i'm trying to find the file in ubuntu (usually inetd.conf) to edit to enable sshd to start up as a service
[11:48] <TmWrk_Quil> i'm working with a fresh install of ubuntu server (latest)
[11:48] <SkyMountaineer> asking for help with a sound card issie
[11:49] <TmWrk_Quil> anyone?
[11:49] <pike__> you guys see upstart as a positive thing?
[11:50] <sri> Has anybody had a problem in dapper where if you transfer a lot of files over samba from a windows client to your local computer it crashes nautilus?
[11:50] <sri> I'm trying to copy a bunch of mp3s from my windows machine to my linux machine
[11:51] <TmWrk_Quil> gah!
[11:51] <SkyMountaineer> looking for some help with my sound card i have read all the doco and still it does not work
[11:51] <TmWrk_Quil> apt-get install openssh-server - THATS ALL i had to type!
[11:51] <TmWrk_Quil> what a load o' crap - this is too easy
[11:51] <keith> what version of gnome is ubuntu dapper ?
[11:51] <TmWrk_Quil> you guys are spoiled!
[11:52] <keith> When is the next release out ?
[11:52] <Leo5> If I could only install Ubuntu server :-(
[11:52] <deus__> Are there any problems with usbnet module and dapper?
[11:52] <k0rd> so i partitioned my disks, got to 28% of installing system and it freezes
[11:52] <k0rd> wtf
[11:53] <Hagane> I'm new to Dapper Drake and I wonder how I can get my resolution/font settings for X to affect the login screen. Can anyone help?
[11:53] <keith> k0rd: are your disks  ok?
[11:53] <k0rd> mmhmm
[11:53] <k0rd> what do you mean, my install disks?
[11:53] <k0rd> came straight from ubuntu
[11:53] <Warbo> Hi, does anyone know what package lets file roller open .deb files? I am on the live CD and it isn't installed (and searching through aptitude for "deb" is getting annoying)
[11:54] <SkyMountaineer> i have some sound card issues any one here help
[11:54] <Leo5> I got a problem installing the server version: during setup it stops when it's reading all physical volumes.
[11:54] <bushblows> how would i go about installing ubuntu server the latest over a network.
[11:55] <Warbo> Gah, bigger problem. GParted isn't actually resizing anything. It takes a while doing something, then it's display shows the right values during the "scanning" time, but once it's finished scanning the display changes back to the same as it was before
[11:56] <ramvi> Ubuntu can't find my wireless network. It finds my wireless network card, eth1, and I've got network manager, but iwlist eth1 scan returns that it can't find anything, even tough I'm 10 feet from the access point
[11:56] <cpk2> you can just do iwlist scan
[11:56] <cpk2> dont need to specify
[11:56] <pike__> ramvi: no other APs showing up either?
[11:56] <Hagane> Is there a config file for the login screen somewhere?
[11:57] <Warbo> Hagane: /etc/gdm
[11:57] <Hagane> thanks
[11:57] <ramvi> pike_, nope. There should be two
[11:57] <none> ramvi make sure the power button/switch for the wireless card is switched on
[11:57] <Leo5> any ideas?
[11:58] <ramvi> none, you've got a point there! :P I'll try
[11:59] <paul0> any opengl expert here?
[12:00] <Hagane> I'm not an expert, but I know a little
[12:00] <mwe> just ask your question.
[12:00] <paul0> i can't run Second Life here, i'll paste into a url my errors with glxinfo
[12:00] <paul0> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8KnZ0E62.html
[12:00] <Warbo> anyone help me with GParted? It's not resizing :(


[00:01] <wgrant> Hmm.
[00:10] <wgrant> maxb: Sure it wasn't already retried?
[00:11] <maxb> yes, sure
[00:11] <maxb> oh
[00:11] <maxb> ah
[00:11] <maxb> Whoops :-)
[00:12] <maxb> I saw "Dependency wait" and failed to appreciate that it was the source build
[00:13] <wgrant> Heh
[00:16] <maxb> I suppose that can't be retried because the version string might no longer hold true if the branches have changed underneath it?
[00:18] <wgrant> maxb: Sort of.
[00:19] <wgrant> maxb: It was never implemented because it's so easy to create a new one.
[00:19] <wgrant> maxb: Whereas soyuz gets angry if there's multiple builds for one (spr, archive, distroarchseries, pocket).
[00:19] <wgrant> maxb: A retry button for SPRBs would probably just create a new build anyway.
[02:59] <poolie> is known that +bugs is timing out?
[03:00] <lifeless> for various reasons, yes
[03:01] <poolie> great, pn
[03:01] <poolie> *np
[03:01] <lifeless> have a look at the timeout tagged bugs in launchpad-project
[03:01] <lifeless> you can see the different known cases
[03:09] <poolie> k
[08:32] <mrevell> Hullo
[12:01] <dpm> hi, could someone help me updating the translations export schedule? I've just set it up for Oneiric on https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule/ and the exports crontab needs to be updated according to the "Launchpad Exports" column (the path to the crontab on devpad is at the bottom of the wiki page)
[12:11] <dpm> also it seems the help contact on the topic needs to be updated, as abentley does not seem to be here
[13:59] <web_knows> hi o/
[14:18] <dpm> hi deryck, I see you're the help contact. Could you give me a hand updating the translations export schedule? I've just set it up for Oneiric on https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule/ and the exports crontab needs to be updated according to the "Launchpad Exports" column (the path to the crontab on devpad is at the bottom of the wiki page)
[14:20] <deryck> dpm, hi.  looking....
[14:21] <deryck> dpm, I assume I need to file an RT to get crontab updated.  let me check.  haven't yet done this before.
[14:21] <dpm> deryck, I used to ask danilos or the other translations guys, perhaps they know more...
[14:22] <deryck> dpm, I'm sure they do.  danilos, you around?
[14:23] <danilos> deryck, it's the usual "update crontabs dance", lately, I think losas preferred MPs (if they moved all the crontab branches to LP)
[14:23] <danilos> deryck, we don't do RTs for those, at least we didn't in the past
[14:27] <deryck> danilos, ah, I didn't realize crontab was in branches now.
[14:27] <deryck> I've always done RTs for stuff like expiry and such cron entries.
[14:27] <danilos> deryck, it used to be for a long time, but only on devpad, so no MPs possible :)
[14:29] <deryck> danilos, ah, so just ping and request the change?  I don't see the crontabs on devpad where the wiki suggests.
[14:30] <danilos> deryck, lp:lp-production-crontabs is the new branch
[14:30] <danilos> deryck, please update the wiki as well :)
[14:31] <deryck> ah, ok
[14:32] <deryck> danilos, will do.  thanks.
[14:32] <deryck> dpm, I'll get this taken care of now.  Thanks for the ping about it.
[14:33] <dpm> deryck, thanks. I'm still not quite sure about the process, but let me know if there is anything I can do on my side to make it easier for you guys
[14:34] <deryck> dpm, I think I everything I need now.
[14:35] <dpm> excellent :)
[14:45] <deryck> dpm, also, I'll look closer at those questions today.
[14:45] <deryck> dpm, and if I can't answer them, I'll harass henning when he is available again on Monday.
[14:47] <dpm> deryck, great thanks. As I was saying, if it's quicker to answer them in a call than writing a long reply, I'm also up for it, whatever you guys prefer
[14:51] <deryck> dpm, ok, I'll let you know.  I've had it marked to review and just not looked closely enough yet.
[14:52] <dpm> ok, cool
[15:48] <blueyed> How can I search for bugs which have a specific remote bug, e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596189 ?
[15:48] <blueyed> I want to know if the reason for Maverick's apt ignoring my Debian testing apt-preferences file is this bug..
[15:50] <deryck> blueyed, I don't think we a search form that allows that, but I think you could get to that from the page we have for the upstream tracker....
[15:50] <deryck> blueyed, let me look and see.
[15:51] <blueyed> deryck: thanks.. I remember that you would get notified that another bug has this remote bug already, when entering it.. I could try that on edge maybe?
[15:52] <blueyed> ..rather dogfood
[15:52] <deryck> or staging/qastaging rather
[15:55] <wgrant> blueyed: It's not linked from anywhere, but a URL like https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/debbugs/596189 works
[15:55] <blueyed> ok. the notice works, but did not happen for the first time.
[15:55] <wgrant> blueyed: If there's a single linked bug it will redirect. If there are multiple it will list them.
[15:56] <deryck> blueyed, yeah, that's what I was just trying to get at.  Couldn't remember the url structure.
[15:57] <blueyed> wgrant: why does it redirect to #790760 ?
[15:57] <deryck> actually, I could but was trying bugs.debian.org rather than debbugs and wondering why it failed.
[15:57] <wgrant> blueyed: Because that's the bug it's linked to...
[15:57] <wgrant> At least it should be.
[15:57]  * wgrant checks.
[15:57] <wgrant> It is.
[15:59] <blueyed> wgrant: I do not get it. dbug 596189 is not a remote bug for #790760, is it?
[15:59] <wgrant> It is. But, confusingly, it's not associated with a task. It's only linked because it was referenced in a comment.
[15:59] <wgrant> Comment #8, in particular.
[16:00] <blueyed> Oh, I see. Thanks.
[18:11] <GatoLoko> hi
[18:12] <GatoLoko> i've found that a package has been linked in launchpad to the wrong upstream (to one of my projects), but I can't fix it, is this the right place to report it?
[18:15] <maxb> Here is fine, provided you're prepared to file a question if someone can't fix it right away
[18:15] <maxb> GatoLoko: which package?
[18:15] <maxb> or, which upstream
[18:15] <deryck> yeah, it's pretty easy to fix.
[18:15] <GatoLoko> maxb gatos: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gatos
[18:16] <GatoLoko> it's linked to "gatoscript"
[18:16] <maxb> ok, I can remove those links
[18:16] <maxb> done
[18:17] <deryck> Thanks maxb!
[18:17] <deryck> abentley, ping and tag you're it.
[18:17] <abentley> deryck: okay
[18:17] <GatoLoko> maxb thanks
[18:17] <maxb> No problem


[03:59] <troy_s> anyone alive>?
[05:37] <nzk> I am alive.
[01:16] <kwwii> so......
[01:16] <kwwii> what does everyone think of this?
[01:16] <kwwii> https://launchpad.net/bugs/10303
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 10303 in gaim "New Logo for GAIM (Ubuntu Style)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:24] <elkbuntu> i'm confused as to why it needs a new logo...
[01:27] <kwwii> yepp, that was one of my concerns
[01:28] <elkbuntu> kwwii, considering gaim is in the 'also available for Windows' category, i'd be very cautious about changing the appearance of it
[01:29] <kwwii> elkbuntu: not sure I understand you
[01:29] <kwwii> my main thought was that since we don't really do anything special to it, there is no reason to use a branded splash screen
[01:30] <elkbuntu> it'd be like changing the open-office logo .. people who had been lured to linux via the transition method (install cross-platform stuff to get them used to linuxy software) would be perplexed
[01:31] <kwwii> I can see that point, but I do not think that the change in the GAIM part itself is very radical
[01:31] <elkbuntu> ooh.. it's just the splash
[01:31] <kwwii> yepp
[01:32] <elkbuntu> hmm... branding other apps is tacky imho
[01:33] <kwwii> yeah, that is kinda what I was thinking
[01:34] <elkbuntu> it's like saying "$distro woz 'ere!" ;)
[01:36] <kwwii> yepp
[01:38] <elkbuntu> so anyway, thumbs down from me
[05:09] <troy_s> kwwii I think there is something to be said for binding the splashes together -- and it does have an rather powerful 'unifying' message.
[05:09] <troy_s> Where the hell is he?
 kwwii I think there is something to be said for binding the splashes together -- and it does have an rather powerful 'unifying' message.
[07:34] <troy_s> although I can appreciate the flipside of the coin too...
[07:34] <troy_s> again, thinking about end users and the need to attract _new_users who are familiar with that sort of similarity factor, i think it at least should be considered
[07:34] <troy_s> probably pretty hopeless without a design pattern at this point though.
[08:26] <kwwii> troy_s: yes, that was my whole point, really
[08:27] <troy_s> kwwii Ultimately, I was pretty torn on it.  My guess is that we need it but are unable to implement it.
[08:28] <kwwii> troy_s: I think that implementing something now would be too early...first planning, then action :-)
[08:28] <troy_s> completely agree
[08:28] <troy_s> until then, it is best left alone
[08:29] <troy_s> but the kernel of the idea works well.
[08:29] <kwwii> yepp, definitely
[08:30] <troy_s> but again, we are critically missing a motif
[08:30] <troy_s> to help that sort of thing along
[08:30] <troy_s> to do that sort of thing effectively, we need a non monochromatic nor extremely polychromatic palette
[08:30] <troy_s> a solid motif
[08:31] <troy_s> and whatever other minor stylization that is developed.
[08:32] <kwwii> hopefully, after feisty things will start moving in that area
[08:32] <troy_s> fingers crossed
[08:33] <troy_s> although i hope the kneejerk reaction to fedora's lovely work isn't going to take us down the bloody irritating ubuntu path of mimisis
[08:35] <kwwii> we'll just see what happens
[11:27] <chris___> ello


[00:55] <ion_> keybuk: Inspired by libnih macros: http://heh.fi/tmp/mygl-macros.h
[00:56] <ion_> I’m in love with git, btw. The way you can switch between branches in a single directory is just brilliant.
[00:56] <ion_> And it’s noticeably faster than bzr, too.
[00:59] <sontek> hey, how is upstart "event" based?  I'm trying to find information on it =)
[01:00] <sontek> is it something like dbus throws "launching banshee" and you can handle that?
[01:03] <ion_> udev triggers a ‘partition found’ event, upstart catches it and mounts it if fstab says so. Apache is set to run on networking. Upstart receives an ‘network interface found’ event, ups the interface, triggers a ‘network-up’ event, apache gets started.
[01:42] <sontek> ion_: thanks