[06:26] <Kilos> o/
[12:28] <Mister_Q> dpm ping
[12:28] <dpm> hi Mister_Q
[12:29] <Mister_Q> do we announce ubucontest in one hour or do we just talk about the details later? I got no notification for the meeting and just read it /o\
[12:30] <dpm> Mister_Q, I just put the meeting as a checkpoint for all to review the doc and give the +1 to the announcement
[12:31] <Mister_Q> ah ok :)
[12:31] <dpm> we can just discuss it here at the time of the meeting, and if everyone is happy, then we can go ahead with the announcement
[12:32] <dpm> but the meeting on the calendar is not to say "the ubucontest will be announced at this time"
[12:33] <tsimonq2> .
[12:33] <tsimonq2> whoops
[12:37] <svij> I'm currently busy at work, but I noticed that we don't have much information about the snap packges. We added "snap" somewhere with no explanation, I think that's a bit unclear (atleast for me)
[12:37] <svij> Mister_Q: ^^
[12:38] <Mister_Q> svij yeah I will look into that soon. Dont have much time now sorry. I will have time for that during the hangout
[12:50] <svij> Mister_Q: I might not be response or available later
[13:23] <Mister_Q> dpm please send me the hangouts link again I cant find it on my callendar
[13:27] <dpm> Mister_Q, let's just do IRC, as svij mentions he won't be available for the hangout
[13:28] <dpm> I'm adding comments directly to the Terms of entry doc
[13:28] <Mister_Q> okay
[13:31] <svij> I have a co-worker sitting next to me
[13:31] <svij> need a few minutes


[06:26] <dpm> good morning all
[23:56] <chilicuil> hi there, what should I do if I want to fix some typos in po/ files?, in bug 725217 typos are in html & po files, the patch attached modify the html files but not the po/ ones, should I fix them as well, or is any other path I should follow?, I've already asked in #ubuntu-bugs and some guy there have told me I should ask here
[23:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 725217 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Typos in Edubuntu 11.04 slideshow (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725217


[11:30] <edd> any launchpad devs around?
[12:20] <carlos> edd: hi
[12:22] <edd> hi there! i'm interested in hearing about the status of the RDF bits.
[12:22] <edd> the launchpad pages talk a bit about the RDF but don't give any links
[12:23] <edd> i worked with morgan on an RDF export format, also obviously i maintain the DOAP schema, so i was wondering what the status of all that was
[12:37] <SteveA> hi edd
[12:38] <SteveA> morgs specced out various things to do with RDF, XML and launchpad at the UDU conference last week.
[12:39] <SteveA> so, i suggest mailing morgs, and he can fill you in on what we're planning to do.
[12:40] <edd> cool
[12:40] <SteveA> bbiab


[10:23] <fossfreedom_> Hi all - any chance someone with the project rights can pull in the various outstanding PRs on https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-flavor-installer ?  I note the CI stuff looks decidedly broken e.g.  https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-flavor-installer/pull/73   ... also  the flutter version in ubuntu-desktop-provision has been bumped to 3.13 which causes the UB snap to not build.  I'm just wondering if ubuntu-flavor-installer
[10:23] <fossfreedom_> has the same issue.  TIA https://launchpadlibrarian.net/696823828/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_jammy_amd64_ubuntu-budgie-installer_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 73 in canonical/ubuntu-flavor-installer "chore(deps): bump vendor/ubuntu-desktop-provision from `b2e13da` to `cd16171`" [Open]


[08:36] <cimi> hola albert (tsdgeos)
[08:36] <cimi> back from holiday! yahoo
[08:37] <cimi> anything I should take care of immediately that should have my attention?
[08:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: hi, welcome back :)
[08:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: nothing urgent that i can remmeber
[08:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: i made a small branch to fix your social-cards branch to unblock pstolowski but it's not urgent
[08:38] <tsdgeos> just have a look at it when you have time
[08:38] <cimi> tsdgeos, I do
[08:39] <cimi> not much mails to read
[08:39] <cimi> *many
[08:39] <cimi> easter was quiet
[08:41] <tsdgeos> yep :)
[08:45] <dednick> mzanetti: I've been given some mail for you from office to give to you in Prague. It's in my bag, but dont let me forget :)
[08:45] <mzanetti> dednick, hah, ok. I'll try to remember
[08:45] <mzanetti> it's probably the Priority Pass
[08:58] <pstolowski> cimi, hey! social-actions silo looks good functionality-wise (please also update my test scope; there's a new click pkg in the src tree). but i think the placement of the buttons looks a little weird, i expected them the be overlaid on the card's image, instead it's below (or above)
[08:58] <pstolowski> cimi, not sure if that's by design?
[08:59] <cimi> pstolowski, it is by design
[09:00] <pstolowski> cimi, ok then
[09:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, shall I merge your branch inside mine?
[09:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, or you guys can approve social-card, I fixed josh comemnt
[09:21] <cimi> comment
[09:21] <tsdgeos> cimi: i'd leave it as is, less silo changes needed
[09:22] <cimi> ok
[09:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, josh comment fixed
[09:24] <tsdgeos> oki
[11:23] <cimi> pstolowski, tsdgeos I started asking patricia on the visuals, but I say that if we have the functionality working we can get this merged then we'll look after the visuals at a later branch unity8 only
[12:55] <mterry> mzanetti: I naively tried to update USC (by including both wallpapers as compiled headers) and gcc on armhf chokes on it (crashes)...
[12:55] <mterry> mzanetti: afternoon  :)
[13:30] <Saviq> mterry, hey, can you please recycle https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-046/excuses.html
[13:31] <pstolowski> cimi, sounds good to me
[13:36] <mzanetti> mterry, hey ho
[13:36] <mzanetti> mterry, that's odd
[13:36] <mzanetti> mterry, but why are they compiled in anyways... can't they be read from the fs?
[13:38] <mterry> mzanetti: that's how they were done in past...  I was just trying to reduce delta for this update.  But I agree, could/should be read from fs for convenience.  I'm looking at just updating the one phone wallpaper as a half-way step
[13:38] <mterry> Saviq: sure
[13:38] <mterry> Saviq: done
[13:38] <mzanetti> mterry, sounds like a waste of memory too
[13:38] <mterry> mzanetti: well if we load both images, yeah
[13:39] <mzanetti> mterry, so I figure the wallpaper update won't happen for OTA-10 anyways
[13:39] <mterry> mzanetti: yeah that's my recommendation  :)
[13:39] <mterry> mzanetti: I'd rather do this update right, which seems like it will involve retooling USC a bit
[13:39] <mzanetti> agreed
[13:39] <mzanetti> lets target OTA-11
[13:45] <mterry> mzanetti: another issue that struck me when looking at USC source -- so now that tablet and phone are different images, and we're looking at multiple monitors, some in portrait, some in landscape, do we show different backgrounds depending on monitor form factor?  Or is there one background that we pick based on the device's form factor and just rotate it
[13:45] <mterry> (similar question to yesterday's rotation question)
[13:46] <mzanetti> hmm... can't answer this one right now tbh
[13:47] <mzanetti> there's 2 things: should the wallpaper on the large screen be a different one than the one on the small screen? a question for design really
[13:48] <mterry> mzanetti: yeah.  I don't know if they thought through the ramifications of two different wallpapers
[13:48] <mzanetti> the other: if it should be the same. how are optimizing things? If the phones need to load some 4k images, it's slowing things down unneccessarily
[13:48] <mterry> mzanetti: right?  that bg they gave us is huge
[13:48] <mzanetti> yeah
[13:48] <mzanetti> it highlights the rotation bug a bit more
[13:48] <mzanetti> which is why I don't want to land it for OTA-10 after all
[13:49] <mterry> mzanetti: we could go the enablement way and have one optimized bg per device  :)  But that's obviously a pain to maintain
[13:49] <mterry> mzanetti: first boot can optimize an image though
[13:49] <mzanetti> I'd rather have some sets shipped in unity
[13:49] <mzanetti> yeah. or that
[13:50] <mterry> mzanetti: and every time u8 sees a new monitor, it can quickly optimize one for that monitor, stick it in /var/cache/ somewhere
[13:50] <mzanetti> sounds like that'd be a good idea anyways. whenever we require a new size for a screen, just cache it on disk
[13:50] <mterry> oh I guess user session, so ~/.cache
[13:51] <Saviq> thumbnailer!
[13:51] <mzanetti> Saviq, no
[13:51] <Saviq> I know ;P
[13:51] <mzanetti> but yeah
[13:51] <mzanetti> I'll create something at some point
[13:51] <mzanetti> I need this too often, really
[13:51] <mzanetti> the queueing of notifications is annoying as hell
[13:52] <mterry> mzanetti: USC should use the same mechanism
[13:52] <Saviq> well, I know why not thumbnailer for usc, why not elsewhere/
[13:52] <mzanetti> Saviq, because michi says this is out of scope
[13:52] <mzanetti> Saviq, I had that discussion for a while
[13:52] <Saviq> whaat? caching images is out of scope? what is the scope then?
[13:52] <mzanetti> extracting media artwork from files
[13:53] <mzanetti> but they better be not special in any way
[13:53] <mzanetti> the fact that it works for some images is merely an accident
[13:53] <Saviq> why does it even support images then, that's not "extracting media artwork"
[13:53] <mzanetti> ...
[13:54] <Saviq> ok well, I'll put it in scope somewhere
[13:54] <Saviq> more of an SDK topic really
[13:54] <mzanetti> yeah
[13:54] <mzanetti> Saviq, when doing so: it should work for remote images and images in qrc files
[13:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, that last one might be tricky, but sure
[13:55] <mzanetti> given that our sdk templates for apps are using qrc files by default
[13:55] <mzanetti> and the remote image case is really the most useful one
[13:55] <Saviq> well, that's obvious
[13:55] <mzanetti> Saviq, well, if this is gonna be a new component, it will probably be in-process
[13:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, but we need the default image provider in Qt to be overridable TBH
[13:55] <mzanetti> and with that have access to qrc contents
[13:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, unlikely to be in process as a whole
[13:56] <Saviq> need a central DB and such
[13:56] <Saviq> well, or maybe not
[13:56] <mzanetti> Saviq, the SDK already "overrides" the default image provider (overriding is the wrong word - rather extending)
[13:56] <Saviq> maybe can cache in ~/.cache/$app
[13:56] <mzanetti> yeah, I'd go for app-local
[13:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, the default *image* not, the provider :P
[13:56] <Saviq> EWEIRDCOMMA
[13:57] <mzanetti> in any case, I'd be ok with having another provider and using image://cached/file:///foobar.png
[13:57] <mzanetti> would leave the option open to not use it
[13:57] <mzanetti> anyhow, gotta jump to a meeting now
[13:57] <Saviq> I'd leave the option out
[13:58] <Saviq> or maybe make it opt-out rather than opt-in
[13:58] <mzanetti> wfm, but it should be possible to opt-out at least
[13:58] <mzanetti> remote content might change without changing the path
[13:58] <mzanetti> etc...
[14:04] <mzanetti> ok. that meeting was quick
[14:04] <mzanetti> I basically said "ok" 3 times and that was it :D
[14:08] <mterry> Saviq, mzanetti: Guess what I realized I hadn't seen in forever?  The "3-power-button-press" bug
[14:08] <ltinkl> mzanetti, oh, something regarding the modal notifications background?
[14:08] <mzanetti> ltinkl, ?
[14:08] <mzanetti> you mean from design?
[14:08] <ltinkl> mzanetti, yea, meeting == design
[14:09] <mzanetti> no... was a meeting ith HR
[14:09] <mzanetti> well I did talk to design today, but only about the converged stages
[14:16] <mterry> Does desktop unity8 session work for anyone else?  I just get a black screen and nothing obviously wrong in unity8.log
[14:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: works here
[14:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: you may have the gst problem
[14:16] <tsdgeos> did you fix it/have it?
[14:16] <mterry> tsdgeos: oh right...
[14:16] <mterry> tsdgeos: I remember being pointed at that before and it did help with one of my testing users
[14:17] <tsdgeos> try again then :)
[16:05] <Saviq> mterry, hey, can you please publish https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1206
[16:05] <mterry> sure
[16:07] <mterry> Saviq: packaging diff looks ok, but looks like you intentionally added "XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest" ?  That shouldn't be needed anymore.  It's automatically added.  But it's harmless
[16:12] <mterry> Saviq: "Publish failed: qtmir-gles has merges in bad states.
[16:12] <mterry> unity8 has merges in bad states"
[16:20] <Saviq> mterry, I *removed* it
[16:21] <mterry> Saviq: for unity8, it got added
[16:21] <mterry> Saviq: I guess by mzanetti, not you
[16:21] <Saviq> mterry, ah yes, because train builds packages on trusty, which does not add
[16:21] <Saviq> automagically
[16:21] <mterry> trusty yikes
[16:21] <Saviq> (source ones)
[16:21] <mterry> I guess that makes sense
[16:22] <Saviq> mterry, all ACKed now
[16:30] <mterry> Saviq: published
[16:32] <mterry> mzanetti: I'm looking at the usageMode calculation code for bug 1564351.  In determining longEdgeWidth, we should use the screen size, not the window size.  But then I'm leery of just using Screen.height/width, because that's only one of the monitors (right?  Is it monitor 0?).  And it's harder to mock I guess.  Do we have a better solution?  Or maybe this
[16:32] <mterry> should just wait until usageMode gets a rethink
[16:32] <ubot5`> bug 1564351 in unity8 (Ubuntu) ""Swipe from the left edge to open the launcher" - do not work on the desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564351
[16:39] <mterry> mzanetti: guh nm.  We don't need to use Screen size there.  I was brain-farting
[20:26] <Saviq> mterry, whaa¿? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#unity8 the fail! is FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::Wizard::test_accountPage() function returned unexpected result
[20:26] <Saviq>    Actual   (): tzPage
[20:26] <Saviq>    Expected (): accountPage
[20:26] <mterry> hrm
[20:26] <Saviq> please recycle, and if you can explain how did we get tzPage, I'm all ears :P
[20:26] <mterry> recycled...
[20:27] <mterry> Saviq: tzPage is before accounts...  And its "next" button isn't enabled if a timezone isn't selected... So something might have gone wrong there
[20:29] <Saviq> mterry, but we disabled tzPage
[20:29] <Saviq> ah wait we didn't?
[20:29] <Saviq> right
[20:29] <mterry> naw
[20:30]  * Saviq got lost in all we did
[20:30] <mterry> Saviq: :)
[20:30] <Saviq> well ok, one more to the "flaky test" bin...


[06:03] <mk88> Hi All we are trying to customize VM on azure platform,each time install custom packages and run scripts on that VM we get different behaviour.
[06:05] <mk88> It seems cloud-init is messing with some of the processes of VM on First-boot. Is there a way that we can check if that VM is properly booted and then we can trigger cloud-init ?
[06:11] <mk88> Anyone there ?
[06:28] <mk88> ?
[07:05] <prologic> is there some better way to debug why my cloud-init setup in vSphere isn't working reliably? About 1 out of 3 times it looks like none of my user-data gets executed at all. not even something as simple as the hostname
[07:06] <prologic> But neither cloud-init.log nor cloud-init-output.log exhibit any obvious errors or failures
[07:06] <prologic> I have the failed vm up and running now, so if anyone wants me to run some commands against it to figure out why it's in sthis state LMK
[07:07] <prologic> I've confirmed for example that the userdadta is there (after the fact) with vmware-rpctool "info-get guestinfo.userdata" | base64 -d
[07:08] <prologic> I basically have a shell script at the moment that destroys, and re-creates the VM from a template with cloud-init userdata and it fails about 1/3 in this weird state
[07:46] <meena> mk88: how, exactly, is cloud-init messing with your setup?
[07:47] <meena> prologic: how does it fail? do you have debugging enabled so the logs are full of… well, debugging info
[07:48] <prologic> it doesn't run any of the user-data at all
[07:48] <prologic> is there a bit of config I can add to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to increase verbose/debug logging?
[07:52] <prologic> I'm a bit more interested in debugging this failed VM that didn't run any of the cloud-init userdata though
[07:52] <prologic> So any helpful suggestions there would be nice, happy to poke around with some guidenace, I'm alll out of ideas myself :/
[07:52] <prologic> Like what possible reasons would none of the userdata ever run (at all) without ovbious errors 1 out of 3 times?
[07:53] <prologic> but work perfectly the other 2 times
[08:04] <prologic> e.g: cloud-init status reports "done" and not "error" in this case
[08:16] <mk88> @meena So we have some processes that run on firstboot like db creation and other things hat we need to do. Also we have a requirement to call ansible after the firstboot completes. So we are using the cloud-init to do the ansible invocation.But what is happening on each VM creation we get different behavior though there are no script level
[08:16] <mk88> changes.
[08:24] <meena> prologic: usually, the reason is that the meta data service cannot be reached, often caused by some kind of race between the VM and the service
[08:24] <mk88> @meena so there any way that we can keep it disabled till first boot completes and then enable it later when firstboot completes to make ansible invocation ?
[08:26] <meena> mk88: there probably is, but then you'd run in different trouble
[08:28] <meena> prologic: we usually have an example config file for logging or debugging, it's in /etc/cloud.cfg.d (i think)
[08:29] <meena> in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/
[08:29] <prologic> meena this is my thoughts too, a 'race" of some kind
[08:29] <prologic> let me see what's in there right now...
[08:29] <prologic> This is based off an Ubuntu 20.04 image
[08:29] <meena> depending on the distro that config is disabled (in FreeBSD for instance)
[08:30] <prologic> I see
[08:30] <meena> i haven't used Linux since the start of the pandemic lol
[08:30] <prologic> I assume you mean 05_logging.cfg ?
[08:30] <prologic> hahah!
[08:30] <meena> yes
[08:31] <prologic> it would appear DEBUG level logging is already enabled here
[08:31] <prologic> if I'm reading thie weird looking .ini config right :)
[08:31] <meena> but is the file enabled in cloud.cfg?
[08:32] <prologic> ahh
[08:32] <meena> there's an include directive in there
[08:32] <meena> or there should be
[08:33] <prologic> hmm
[08:33] <prologic> there is not that I can see
[08:33] <meena> yeah, there's not, it happens automatically
[08:34] <prologic> ahh okay
[08:34] <meena> so, if debug logging is enabled, how come you don't see any logs
[08:34] <prologic> so I should have debug logging
[08:34] <meena> you should
[08:34] <prologic> so what could I look for to determine if we're seeing a race betwene the metadata service and the vm?
[08:35] <meena> maybe syslog has info?
[08:35] <meena> as to why we're not even logging
[08:35] <prologic> I no I see logs, but I don't see anything to explain what I'm seeing
[08:36] <prologic> I basically need some help (I think) in understanding what to look for
[08:36] <prologic> the logs I do see don't explain this weird behaviour
[08:36] <meena> then you have to paste your logs somewhere, and wait until someone more experienced wakes up here to look at them
[08:36] <meena> I'm also just in my phone,while chasing a toddler
[08:37] <meena> so that's quite an impediment
[09:07] <prologic> will the tarball of cloud-init collect-logs be enough?
[09:13] <meena> most likely, given that that is all relevant logs and some other stuff
[09:27] <prologic> kk
[09:27] <prologic> I wish I could figure this out myself :D
[09:28] <prologic> just nothing in there I can identify as :oh!"
[14:24] <smoser> prologic: did you file a bug ?
[15:19] <ajmyyra> btw, who creates the /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90_dpkg.cfg file in Ubuntu? cloud-init itself or some package script?
[15:19] <ajmyyra> not included in the package atleast, but can't seem to find anything related to it
[15:19] <ajmyyra> besides some test
[15:24] <Odd_Bloke> ajmyyra: It's generated from a debconf prompt, so it's populated on package installation.
[15:24] <Odd_Bloke> (Which happens at image build time in ~all official Ubuntu images. :)
[18:59] <smoser> anyone able to land https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/837
[18:59] <smoser> i'mhappy with it, but i'm not up to speed on how to adjust user comment or cpy and paste the commit message....
[20:27] <dam_> hi, I am trying to install ubuntu with cloud-init for the first time on a qemu image. The installation fails when running systemd-cat with exit status 3. There is a log in /var/crash but how I do not know how to retrieve it. Is it possible?
[20:32] <Odd_Bloke> dam_: What installation media are you using?
[20:34] <dam_> I use an iso.
[20:35] <dam_> I use the following command line to start installation:
[20:35] <dam_> kvm -no-reboot -m 1024 -smbios type=0,uefi=on -drive file=image.img,format=raw,cache=none,if=virtio -drive file=seed.img,format=raw,cache=none,if=virtio -cdrom ~/ubuntu-cloud-init/ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[20:35] <dam_>
[20:41] <dam_> I also use curtin to define partitions.
[20:53] <prologic> smoser no not yet, I'm not even sure where/who the bug is with.
[20:53] <prologic> So far it just smells like "racy" behaviour
[20:53] <prologic> destroy/recreate a vm 10 times, and 3 of those times none of the cloud-init userdata gets run at all
[21:26] <Odd_Bloke> dam_: Aha, OK, I think you're hitting an error during a subiquity install?  Or are you specifically passing in cloud-init configuration that isn't working for you?
[21:33] <dam_> I got an error during subiquity install but I do not know why. If I use default config, the install succeed but not when I specify storage.
[21:41] <dam_> Does ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso supports uefi boot?
[21:44] <Odd_Bloke> dam_: This isn't the best channel to get subiquity support, I'm afraid: cloud-init is only one component of the whole installer; you'll likely have more success in the #ubuntu-server channel.
[21:49] <dam_> OK. I am not familiar with cloud-init, subiquity and the like.
[21:51] <dam_> The documentation of cloud-init mentions that it supports "Bare metal installs". Does it depends on subiquity?
[21:56] <Odd_Bloke> dam_: cloud-init supports running as part of bare metal installs, but it runs inside the booted system: you still need something else to arrange the image for you and pass the configuration into the system.  subiquity does that for Ubuntu installs (so it's more accurate to say that subiquity depends on cloud-init.)
[21:58] <dam_> In the meantime I fixed my issue. I had to create partition for grub so it seems that I was not able to do a uefi install.
[21:58] <dam_> anyway thank you for your support
[22:40] <dave_the_rave> Hello, struggling with a few points in case any one can help pls?
[22:40] <dave_the_rave> 1. write_files is not suitable for creating files in user directories as makes the users home dir owned by root  and runs before create users (on AWS at least) so owner can't be set to the user. Is that right?
[22:40] <dave_the_rave> 2. I'm try to use curl in runcmd, I've set proxy variables but can't make a connection. It works just fine as a regular user. Any ideas?
[22:40] <dave_the_rave> 3. Is there away to make sure a script runs after runcmd is finished?
[22:40] <dave_the_rave> Thanks!
[22:49] <Odd_Bloke> dave_the_rave: 1. is correct, you're running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1486113.  See #2 for background on why things are the way they are, and #13 for our recommended workarounds in the meantime.
[22:51] <Odd_Bloke> dave_the_rave: For 2., I'm not sure: how are you setting the proxy variables?
[22:56] <dave_the_rave> Odd_Bloke Thanks, that's helpful. /etc/skel is the answer for me. on 2. I was setting them via source /etc/environment and then later in desperation exporting them in the runcmd script but to no avail. I was wondering if there is something that would stop curl working.. I couldn't connect on 443 to github.com.
[23:06] <Odd_Bloke> dave_the_rave: It might be worth replacing your curl command with `env`; that output should go to /var/log/cloud-init-output.log, then you can double-check that your environment variables are getting through.
[23:07] <Odd_Bloke> dave_the_rave: And for 3., what do you mean by "a script"?  Could you just add it as the final runcmd entry?
[23:12] <prologic> Can I link someone (privately) a cloud-init.tar.gz (from cloud-init collect-logs) to help me figure out why I'm having so much trouble getting my userdata to run reliably? If I destroy/re-create my VM, about 1/3 times it fails with no evidence that it ran any of my userdata, the other 2 times it works perfectly. Environment is Packer built image spun up with Terraform on a vSphere hypervisor.


[00:08] <avalutions> hi, anyone active?
[00:09] <avalutions> trying to work with CORBA and need some help if anyone is able/willing
[00:39] <avalutions> anyone?


[09:39] <elacheche> Morning folks, "nizarus | alors le fnl ?"
[09:40] <elacheche> No feedback from my side nizarus.. Didn't had enough time to plan a day off to go there..
[09:40] <praisethemoon> hello folks
[09:40] <elacheche> And I have multiple deadlines this week and the next week..
[09:42] <elacheche> I was trying to plan an hour or two off to be presnet for some confs, but still no details.. Even for the stands I'm not sure if I'll have free time, I'll try to be there for sunday for the discussion session.. But still, not sure about this..
[09:43] <elacheche> Also, you can see the utn members "explosive" reactions about the event in the ML and much they can't wait to contribute to it and join us in there -_-
[09:45] <elacheche> Sometimes I ask myself if anyone else than the 10/15 names I know from the 800 members in the ML reads the mails..
[09:45] <elacheche> Hey dmidma welcome to utn again :)
[09:46] <elacheche> Hey praisethemoon
[09:46] <praisethemoon> elacheche, how is it going?
[09:46] <praisethemoon> Sorry for lagging the other day :/
[09:47] <elacheche> praisethemoon: Stop putting your WinBugs work machine into sleep mode..
[09:47] <elacheche> praisethemoon: How is going! As you can see.. Motivation is at it's "highest level" these days..
[09:48] <praisethemoon> alright x)
[09:48] <praisethemoon> what happening elacheche :3
[09:51] <elacheche> Nothing, just a regular dose of motivation..
[09:51] <praisethemoon> x)
[09:51] <praisethemoon> I need motivation pills :(
[09:53] <dmidma> praisethemoon: just aim high dude =)
[09:53] <praisethemoon> so high like a fly in the sky oh oh la la highhh
[09:53]  * praisethemoon has no idea what he's sayin'
[09:54] <praisethemoon> .kiss dmidma
[09:54] <dmidma> How did you do that?
[09:54] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, why wont u-la-la kiss dmidma?
[09:54] <praisethemoon> type /me followed by whatever you want
[09:54] <praisethemoon> i recall being an active member of linux mint
[09:54]  * dmidma stuck in classroom hearing about to creat table with SQL
[09:55] <praisethemoon> this was 6 years ago
[09:55] <dmidma> Hate my life
[09:55] <praisethemoon> last time I joined they threatened to ban me :(
[09:55] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: sorry my HDD died with the old codes and u-la-la revived with new source without those modifications added yet
[09:55] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, how did ur HDD die?
[09:56] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: I did a shutdown and it never started after that
[09:56] <praisethemoon> RIP pavlushka's HDD 2016-2017
[09:56] <pavlushka> lol
[09:57] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: and I am heartbroken coz I did all the modifications twice just before that due to a system package manager crash
[09:58] <praisethemoon> awww
[09:58] <praisethemoon> well, you should have had a github repo :3
[09:58] <pavlushka> and then the HDD died, So I left it unmodified this time
[09:58] <praisethemoon> put the code in github maybe i'll make some edits meself.
[09:58]  * praisethemoon speaks like a pirate
[09:58] <praisethemoon> Let's make u-la-la a pirate!
[09:59] <pavlushka> sure, was really missing a company :)
[09:59] <pavlushka> ha ha ha
[09:59] <praisethemoon> ok push it now
[09:59] <dmidma> Can I join??
[09:59] <pavlushka> on it
[09:59] <elacheche> No spams folks x(
[10:00] <praisethemoon> dmidma, join #bushi
[10:00] <praisethemoon> you too pavlushka
[10:01] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: https://github.com/Pavel-Sayekat/jenni \o/
[10:01] <u-la-la> [ GitHub - Pavel-Sayekat/jenni: jenni is a python IRC bot maintained and developed by Michael Yanovich. This project was created by Sean B. Palmer. ] - https://github.com
[13:01] <nizarus> ping elacheche
[13:04] <elacheche> pong nizarus


[17:01] <cody-somerville> Rinchen, ping
[17:01] <Rinchen> Hi cody-somerville .....
[17:25] <Rinchen> ok cody-somerville, I'm back over here :-)
[17:25]  * cody-somerville grins.


[23:31] <CarlFK> is there a ppa: like shortcut for: d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string http://ppa.launchpad.net/timvideos/ppa/fpga-support trusty main
[23:32] <CarlFK> something like add-apt-repository  ppa:timvideos/fpga-support


[02:16] <ShawnR> itnet7: yeah, just guitar solo (acoustic).  No words, no video (just the wave form of the sound)
[02:17] <ShawnR> also listed are a few other covers he's done (even one on a ukalele)
[12:52] <bhosmer> Hi gang. I was talking with Chris Crisafulli last night about the upcoming release party in Viera. Does anyone know his nick or what time it was planned for?
[14:09] <bhosmer> seen itnet7
[14:53] <itnet7> bhosmer: hey there!
[14:54] <bhosmer> Hi! So, what time where you thinking for Sunday?
[14:57] <itnet7> bhosmer: I'll let you know in a second... brb
[14:57] <bhosmer> Okay.
[15:01] <govatent> whats up on sunday?
[15:02] <bhosmer> Quantal release party!
[15:02] <bhosmer> For Brevard County. I don't know about everywhere else.
[15:02] <itnet7> Well, the 21st
[15:02] <itnet7> right?
[15:03] <itnet7> do you think that the place would be open from 6 - 9 pm?
[15:03] <itnet7> or would you rather do 5 - 8?
[15:03] <itnet7> bhosmer: ^
[15:03] <itnet7> hey there govatent !
[15:03] <govatent> hey itnet7
[15:03] <govatent> how goes it?
[15:03] <itnet7> not bad, how are you doing??
[15:04] <govatent> hanging in there. finally a day i don't have to be on the road. so im working from home and doing some work on my arch pogo plug server
[15:05] <itnet7> cool!
[15:05] <govatent> how about you?
[15:06] <govatent> oh side note, i'd like another copy of your irrsi scripts. that something i'm setting up on this server
[15:06] <bhosmer> That is what I need to check. Sometimes she closes on Sundays, but I know her hours have been a little different. I'm going to try and confirm with her this afternoon and make sure. If she isn't available, we might be able to get the civic center or porcher house. If worse comes to worse, we can use my office on New Haven. Melbourne is just a little far for some, so central part of the county might be better.
[15:11] <itnet7> govatent: no problem, I will send you a copy as soon as I can
[15:11] <itnet7> bhosmer: Awesome, thanks! Have I met you in RL through the Hackers and Founders of Melbourne Group?
[15:12]  * itnet7 sometimes has a bad memory lately ;-)
[15:12] <bhosmer> I don't think so. I didn't know they even existed. I'm part of the Drupal community here, and go to Orlando sometimes to familab and Urban Rethink.
[15:12] <itnet7> Oh, cool!
[15:12] <govatent> We are having our party on the 21 if i remember the plan correctly down here
[15:13] <itnet7> govatent: in Miami?
[15:13] <govatent> yea
[15:13] <govatent> it's to line up with the dade lug and hackmiami meetings
[15:13] <bhosmer> How many people do you think might attend for Brevard? I think I can count on at least three. I might be able to persuade her to open if we can make it worth her while.
[15:13] <govatent> I would try and make it up
[15:14] <itnet7> bhosmer: I am not sure, usually between 15 - 20 have been coming in the past
[15:14] <govatent> I'm gonna try and be there. not sure if i have to do anything sunday
[15:14] <itnet7> govatent: ours is also schedule for the 21st
[15:14] <bhosmer> That would probably do it if we all eat and drink while we are there.
[15:15] <itnet7> We can change our date bhosmer if you think it's too soon
[15:15] <itnet7> so we can try and get more people to attend
[15:15] <itnet7> but it would have to be after November 4th, more like the 11 th
[15:16] <itnet7> I will be out of the country from the 26th of Oct. until Nov. 4th
[15:16] <bhosmer> That might not be a bad idea. She is definitely open on Saturdays. I don't know how quickly you can mobilize the loco group. Saturday the 20th of October, a lot of us will be at DrupalCamp South Florida.
[15:17] <itnet7> govatent: if you guys were to come up, would it be easier for us to have it on a Saturday?
[15:17] <govatent> sunday would be fine.
[15:17] <govatent> I'm actually learning to program in C with the hack miami guys on sats
[15:18] <govatent> although I could mess a meeting i guess
[15:19] <itnet7> bhosmer: See how she feels about November 18th. The 11th is actually a holiday
[15:20] <bhosmer> If you think we could get 20 people in there, let me ask her this afternoon if she might be willing to open for us. Before we change too much around. She might do it if we promise to drink and maybe get by with cold sandwiches or something. If she has to open the grill, it costs her more because she has to pay a cook. She has beer and stuff.
[15:20] <bhosmer> Okay, I'll ask about the 18th.
[15:21] <itnet7> Ask her about the 17th and 18th, and see what would work better for her. I haven't ever been there so I am not sure if it would be too crowded for a decent size group on a Saturday night
[15:22] <itnet7> Thanks bhosmer !
[15:22] <bhosmer> No, there is plenty of room. She would be elated if I brought 20 people in there on a Saturday or Sunday.
[15:22] <bhosmer> You
[15:22] <bhosmer> You're welcome, thank you too. I should know something by this evening at least. We have a few alternatives for sure in case one doesn't work.
[15:22] <itnet7> Awesome!
[15:23] <itnet7> We'll just write up the description to reflect that
[15:23] <itnet7> govatent: if you do come on Saturday, maybe you can do a hangout during the C learning
[15:23] <itnet7> ;-)
[15:23] <bhosmer> Are you in here in the evenings?
[15:23] <govatent> yea
[15:23] <bhosmer> itnet7:
[15:23] <itnet7> bhosmer: me?
[15:24] <bhosmer> itnet7: yes sorry
[15:24] <itnet7> I work in Rockledge during the day
[15:24] <itnet7> oh
[15:24] <itnet7> nvm
[15:24] <itnet7> you mean the channel
[15:24] <bhosmer> No, I mean in the channel
[15:24] <bhosmer> We both type too fast!
[15:24] <itnet7> ping me anytime, I have irssi running with a notification app on my phone
[15:24] <itnet7> if you direct message me, I usually get notified
[15:25] <bhosmer> Okay, I am teaching class tonight. When I get a chance and know something I'll let you know.
[15:25] <itnet7> The only times I won't respond is if I have my phone muted, or I'm working out
[15:25] <itnet7> :-)
[15:25] <itnet7>  cool!!
[15:25] <bhosmer> this is going to be awesome!
[15:25] <itnet7> govatent if you guys schedule your release party soon on the Loco Team Portal, I'll try and come
[15:25] <itnet7> down
[15:26] <govatent> cool
[15:26] <itnet7> bhosmer: definitely!
[15:26] <govatent> is there going to be a post for your event?
[15:26] <itnet7> We have one now, but it says the twenty first of october
[15:26] <itnet7> I am going to change it to the 18th of Nov.
[15:26] <bhosmer> I'll let itnet7 take care of the loco stuff, but I will post it at brevardtech.org when I know something.
[15:26] <itnet7> and if we have to change it again we will
[15:27] <itnet7> bhosmer: sweet!
[15:27] <bhosmer> I have some very ubuntu hungry noobs that have been asking for an install fest. This will be great.
[15:33] <itnet7> bhosmer: We can do an install fest any time, We can reserve a room at the Eau Gallie Library or somewhere similar. I would just want to setup a local mirror, and bring a hub/switch to make it easer to do updates
[15:34] <itnet7> I have a couple of people in the Space Coast Linux and OSS group as well as the Bug Club that have also been asking
[15:35] <itnet7> govatent: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/1973/detail/
[15:35] <itnet7> bbiab going to heat up my lunch real quick ;-)
[16:13] <bhosmer> itnet7: Let me talk to the tech group. I'll see a lot of them tonight and run it by them.
[16:13] <itnet7> cool!
[16:22] <ShawnR> anyone here at all tried to get a linksys WMB54G running through ubuntu?
[16:23] <ShawnR> in windows, it loads as a sound device to wirelessly stream any sound to the device.  That should work ok in a virtual machine i presume, but i would love to run it natively from my server without having to run a VM
[16:26] <itnet7> ShawnR: I can help try and research it a bit, but I don't have one of those devices ;-0
[16:26] <itnet7> ;-)
[16:27] <itnet7>  I meant
[16:30] <ShawnR> itnet7: the only research is that the box itself can be hacked (access to root via j9 serial port pins), but no drivers are available
[16:30] <itnet7> Oh, wow!
[16:31] <ShawnR> i run Subsonic music server, and there is an option to control the server's player remotely.  I wanted to do that to play music somewhere else in the house... but this appears to be no dice
[16:31] <ShawnR> i don't wanna run my subsonic server on a windows machine just for this feature
[16:32] <ShawnR> i love the box, it has stereo RCA, mini-stereo (3.5mm), digital coax, and optical outputs (can handle 5.1) and wirelessly receives the signal from the PC
[16:34] <ShawnR> it is hard enough to get it working on the barely supported Vista (linksys, Sondigo, C-Media all failed to get past a primary beta driver for vista) and some have hacked running the right services to get it running in win7... but no work at all for linux
[16:34] <ShawnR> http://www.devttys0.com/2012/07/hacking-the-linksys-wmb54g/ <--this guy hacked the firmware, but doesn't get me anywhere on client drivers
[17:03] <itnet7> ShawnR: it's a shame they haven't released any drivers, it seems like it would be a dynamite device
[17:04] <itnet7> I saw a couple of posts on Cisco's community forums, maybe someday they'll listen to their customers


[03:30] <luk3yx> Will build.snapcraft.io use Ubuntu 18.04 soon?
[10:28] <Son_Goku> zyga, well, this is a problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1596753
[17:26] <bodqhrohro> Does Snap has a cache everywhere?
[17:28] <bodqhrohro> I've installed and removed a large (0.5G) snap, but the disk space is still overflowed. Removed all revisions, stopped snap, unmounted it's squashfs partitions, looked for deleted entries in lsof, but nothing helps
[17:29] <bodqhrohro> So looks like it flooded somewhere else. Not in /snap directory, it has only ~270MB of one revision of core
[17:32] <bodqhrohro> *anywhere
[17:57] <popey> bodqhrohro: it's not in /snap, the snaps are in /var/lib/snapd
[18:00] <bodqhrohro> popey: yes, I found cache here and cleaned manually, thank you. Does snap provide a command like apt's clean/autoclean for this?
[18:01] <popey> the stuff in /var/lib/snapd is _not_ a cache
[18:01] <popey> it's the snap itself.
[18:01] <popey> which gets mounted (it's a loopback squashfs mount) in /snap
[18:02] <bodqhrohro> Even in /var/lib/snapd/cache? So why there left 4 files if after all I had only one revision of core?
[18:07] <popey> i meant /var/lib/snapd/snap
[18:08] <popey> which will likey be consuming some space
[20:08] <cjwatson> ~/wg 37
[20:08] <cjwatson> bah, sorry
[20:59] <mcphail> Can someone point me towards the documentation for architecture-dependent conditionals in a snapcraft.yaml please?
[22:19] <AuroraAvenue> Hello.
[22:20] <AuroraAvenue> What command do I use in terminal to open this program up & get it running (as it seemed to install oka) althou there's nothing in the budgie menu.
[22:20] <AuroraAvenue> https://snapcraft.io/libresprite-simosx
[22:20] <AuroraAvenue> **What command do I use in terminal to open this program up & get it running (as it seemed to install oka) althou there's nothing in the budgie menu ?
[22:22] <AuroraAvenue> cjwatson, ping
[22:29] <AuroraAvenue> elopio, pingu
[22:32] <AuroraAvenue> diddledan, last time tryin' ping someone this Saturday :(
[22:51] <AuroraAvenue> moving along ...


[02:25] <Bob95> Hi
[02:26] <Bob95> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows?_ga=2.224820959.477032064.1578363642-1851941745.1578363642#9 so if I use this link and I follow the instructions, does that mean the next time I boot my system with the usb drive it will be in Linux instead of windows?
[02:27] <guiverc> Bob95, I usually use the "Check disc for defects" options first time I run the thumb-drive (to verify write was perfect; otherwise I re-do write) - but it'll be a 'live' system fit for installating or using
[02:28] <kc2bez> Bob95 didn't wait for your answer guiverc :(
[02:30] <guiverc> i realize; it was ^A+backspace or finish "or using<ENTER>" & I opted latter
[02:31] <kc2bez> There wasn't much time to make a change:)
 hello, is there any recomendation for screenshoot software for my lubuntu ?
[10:14] <diogenes_> devikri, if you prefer cli, then scrot, if guy, then shutter.
[10:14] <diogenes_> gui*
[10:15] <guiverc> @defikri, what release of Lubuntu?  lximage-qt is the standard method for LXQt  (an option `-s` has it ask what you want to save in gui)
[10:17] <kc2bez> In 19.10 we also have screengrab.
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @defikri, what release of Lubuntu?  lximage-qt is the standard method …], im using lxde
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> devikri, if you prefer cli, then scrot, if guy, then shutter.], thx i will try it
 @wxl [<wxl> more to the point i should say tor is the only way to truly use the intern …], well said
 (Photo, 1280x640) https://i.imgur.com/Rs6zUM4.jpg Pcmanfm-qt copy operations are still bugged or do I miss some comoonent/deoendency?
[22:11] <wxl> @mttcastelli from the picture it is not clear there is a bug
 I know, you can not see it's hanging coping and deleting an amount of less than 300 mb, and you can't figure out it's an ssd: coping is too slow and don't let you see progress
[22:14] <wxl> is it progressing, though?
 The delete, yes but slowly
[22:16] <wxl> is that deleting a folder?
[22:16] <wxl> with 4928 files in it?
 Yes
[22:18] <wxl> it looks like that particular case may be problematic, but it doesn't look like the libraries upon which pcmanfm-qt depends would allow for anything different https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/539
 Ok
[23:11] <Rush48> help please
[23:12] <Rush48> Instlaling lubuntu 32bit 18.10 on samsung nc10 netbook..  screen goes black after 'installing sylpheed'  massage.  any ideas?
[23:13] <Rush48> sirs?
[23:16] <Rush48> I'll try a 64 bit iso then.. and if that doesnt work i guess nothing will
[23:21] <wxl> Rush48: 18.10 is not supported
[23:21] <wxl> perhaps you mean 18.04?
[23:22] <Rush48> hmm
[23:22] <Rush48> well the 32bit version...
[23:22] <Rush48> but it goes black screen before it finished instalation
[23:22] <wxl> well if you're installing 18.10, it's not supported, so which version do you mean?
[23:22] <wxl> either way, 64 bit won't work on that machine, so don't bother with that
[23:22] <Rush48> is there a 32bit 18.10 ?
[23:23] <Rush48> if so, then i got the wrong one
[23:23] <wxl> honestly i don't remember XD
[23:23] <Rush48> hmm
[23:23] <wxl> where did you get it?
 yes there was 32 bit 18.10
[23:23] <Rush48> yes. and it doesnt work
[23:24] <wxl> where did you get it?
[23:24] <Rush48> so not even linux works on old 32 bti hardware anymore.. jeez
[23:24] <Rush48> https://lubuntu.net/lubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-released/
[23:24] <Rush48> got it from there
[23:25] <wxl> lubuntu.net is not our website
[23:25] <Rush48> well it started to download anyway.. and installed almost totally
[23:25] <Rush48> so i doubt it would matter where i got it
[23:25] <wxl> well, they might very well be providing the wrong image, since they aren't affiliated with us
[23:25] <wxl> also did you check the hashes of the iso?
[23:26] <Rush48> ok.  can i have the link to the 'good'  recomended 32 bit iso ?
[23:26] <Rush48> no i didnt check hashes
[23:26] <wxl> then you might have had a download error even if it was the right image
[23:26] <Rush48> the iso works on my other machine
[23:26] <wxl> and if you didn't check the installation media, you might have had a copy error
[23:26] <wxl> that doesn't mean anything
[23:26] <Rush48> ususally i find its never a hash error...
[23:26] <wxl> 1 bit of difference could result in all sorts of problems
[23:26] <wxl> usually i find it is
[23:26] <Rush48> can u give me a link to a good iso please
[23:27] <wxl> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[23:27] <Rush48> i tried that oen also before
[23:27] <Rush48> one*
[23:27] <wxl> that's the only correct one
[23:28] <Rush48> so i guess you dont suppoer samsung nc10 netbooks
[23:28] <Rush48> support*
[23:28] <wxl> so i would get that, check the hashes on it and keep downloading until you get the right image
[23:28] <Rush48> the image worked on other laptop
[23:28] <wxl> that's not a correct assumption
[23:28] <Rush48> so its not the issue
[23:28] <wxl> i would bet money on it
[23:29] <Rush48> ill try linux lite then
[23:29] <Rush48> has checks i find are usually a total waste of time
[23:29] <wxl> ok
[23:29] <wxl> have fun
[23:29] <Rush48> more fun than pointless hash checks
[23:31] <Rush48> by the way.. the devs are doing it all wrong
[23:31] <Rush48> one of the main reasons for using lubuntu etc is for old slow machines
[23:31] <Rush48> stopping 32bit support is the totally wrong direction
[23:31] <wxl> the reason it exists is to be lightweight
[23:32] <wxl> that's what the "l" stands for
[23:32] <wxl> it doesn't stand for "old slow machines"
[23:32] <Rush48> but thats what it is mostly used  on
[23:32] <wxl> and if your concern is about 32 bit support, you can bring that up with ubuntu which as a whole does not support it
[23:32] <Rush48> id never use lubuntu on a powerful rig... lol
[23:32] <wxl> and it does work on many old slow machines, just not 32 bit ones
[23:32] <Rush48> its only strength lies in powering old hardware
[23:33] <wxl> we also don't support amigas
[23:33] <Rush48> most 64 bits dont really need lubuntu
[23:33] <Rush48> 32 bits are perfect for it
[23:33] <wxl> and we have a solution, but you don't appear to like the process to install it
[23:33] <wxl> since you know better, i'll leave you to it
[23:33] <Rush48> since u are such a smug c*nt.. ill be glad to see you go
[23:34] <wxl> !language | Rush48
[23:35] <Rush48> balls to picasso
[23:35] <wxl> can you please stop? last warning.
[23:37] <Rush48> since you gave me advice i'll give you some. you do need to try to stop being so smug..
[23:38] <wxl> i'm actually trying to help you, but you're refusing it. i woudln't call that smug, but i'm very sorry i've made you feel that way.
[23:39] <Rush48> you know full well 32bit is a good lubuntu market... but your smugness couldnt let you admit it
[23:39] <Rush48> talking about amigas...  nice
[23:39] <wxl> if you want a solution to your needs, i'm sure we can get to it with lubuntu. but not without bothering to actually go through all the troubleshooting steps.
[23:40] <Rush48> hashchecking is complicated and takes ages i think
[23:40] <Rush48> and usually never fixes anything
[23:40] <wxl> you think
[23:40] <Rush48> was wen i tried before
[23:40] <Rush48> and then i have to get back to fixing issues properly after wasting time
[23:40] <wxl> and my experience has been entirely the opposite
[23:41] <wxl> but it sounds like you don't want to listen otherwise, so c'est la vie
[23:42] <wxl> that's not smug. that's admitting defeat!
[23:42] <Rush48> ill try linux lite.. adn then if that doesnt work i suppose i'll have to do the hashcheck.. and i bet you that wont fix anything
[23:42] <wxl> and like i said (seriously) i would bet money
[23:42] <Rush48> so maybeafter 5 hours then we will actually get down to fixing something propaerly
[23:43] <wxl> i'm not going to fight you on this. if you want help, you've got it. if you want to do it all yourself and ignore any advice, then, by all means, go ahead
[23:43] <Rush48> whats the fastest way ot hashcheck
[23:43] <wxl> on linux?
[23:43] <Rush48> i dont know
[23:43] <Rush48> on wat i want ot do
[23:44] <Rush48> to*
[23:44] <wxl> i'm asking what os you're using to do it
[23:44] <Rush48> windows at the moment
[23:44] <wxl> oh gawd
[23:44] <Rush48> since i use rufus to burn isos
[23:44] <Rush48> linux doesnt work for me burning isos
[23:44] <wxl> 10?
[23:44] <Rush48> yea
[23:44] <wxl> 1s
[23:44] <Rush48> ok
[23:45] <wxl> in powershell: get-filehash \path\to\iso
[23:46] <Rush48> powershell ?
[23:46] <wxl> yep
[23:46] <Rush48> i dont know how
[23:46] <wxl> otherwise you're downloading stuff
[23:46] <wxl> ???
[23:46] <wxl> it's an application in windows
[23:47] <wxl> just click the menu and type powershell
[23:47] <Rush48> path to iso?
[23:47] <Rush48> i have to type the exact iso name?
[23:47] <wxl> i don't know where you have it downloaded, so you'll have to specify the path
[23:47] <Rush48> its on my desktop
[23:47] <Rush48> i domt kknow how to direct a path to there
[23:48] <wxl> powershell should take you to C:\Users\youruser
[23:48] <wxl> so just use `cd Desktop`
[23:48] <Rush48> use how?
[23:48] <Rush48> no ,  cant
[23:48] <Rush48> no gui can do this ?
[23:48] <wxl> there is but you have to download them
[23:49] <wxl> let's see here
[23:49] <Rush48> fien with me
[23:49] <wxl> !md5sum
[23:49] <Rush48> better than terminals and powershells
[23:49] <wxl> see the last one
[23:49] <wxl> i really don't use windows very much so can't be super helpful with that, sadly
[23:49] <wxl> i've heard 7zip can do it
[23:49]  * wxl shrugs
[23:50] <Rush48> i have 7 zip
[23:50] <Rush48> i cant do this
[23:50] <wxl> emphasis on "i've heard;" not sure how
[23:50] <Rush48> see.. and since its never the problem anyway.. now you know why i hate doing it
[23:50] <Rush48> even that link yo ugave me requires powershall or commands etc
[23:51] <wxl> you have to scroll down to see other options
[23:51] <Rush48> can yo ujust tell me which one please
[23:51] <wxl> again, i don't know. i don't use windows.
[23:51] <Rush48> you know more about it than i do
[23:52] <wxl> not when i don't use the OS X'''''D
[23:52] <Rush48> oh well..  as usuall.. nevermind
[23:52] <wxl> i could tell you how to do it in linux super easy
[23:52] <wxl> let's try this
[23:52] <Rush48> and i know you wont give me any more help unless i dod t he sacred hash check
[23:52] <wxl> boot it and at the boot screen run the "check disc for defects"
[23:52] <Rush48> boot what
[23:52] <Rush48> the iso
[23:52] <wxl> the lubuntu ISO
[23:52] <wxl> yep
[23:53] <wxl> if that fails, then you have one of two problems
[23:53] <wxl> if it succeeds, we know neither is the problem (and you win) :)
[23:53] <wxl> (if it fails in order to figure out the problem, we have to go back to hashing, unless you want to just keep downloading and burning until you get it right)
[23:53] <Rush48> my god.. trying linux lite.. and cant even type the wifi password in.. 'j'  = '1'  etc..
[23:54] <Rush48> this is ghopeless
[23:54] <wxl> i'd say your biggest impediment is your impatience
[23:54] <wxl> your nick is aptly chosen XD
[23:54] <Rush48> just maybe the problem is not hash?
[23:54] <wxl> yes, maybe
[23:54] <Rush48> maybe its another problem ou wont even entertain ?
[23:54] <wxl> anything's possible
[23:55] <Rush48> funny how you laugh at me when i expose how flaky linux is
[23:55] <wxl> but 9/10 i have found "weird problems" like the one you described to be an issue in downloading or copying
[23:55] <Rush48> like that my issue somehow
[23:55] <wxl> do you know windows distributes isos?
[23:55] <wxl> if you download a windows iso you run into the same possible problems.
[23:55] <wxl> it's not about linux at all
[23:55] <Rush48> i never have
[23:55] <Rush48> ever
[23:55] <wxl> yes but what's your sample size?
[23:56] <wxl> hundreds and thousands of downloads or a small handful?
[23:56] <Rush48> only linux.. thats why i think hashchecks are usualy a waste of time
[23:56] <Rush48> sampel of wat
[23:56] <wxl> just try the "check disc for defects"
[23:56] <Rush48> how the hell are you suppose to y pe in a wifi password if the keyboard is all messed up?
[23:56] <Rush48> amazing
[23:56] <wxl> is this linux lite?
[23:57] <wxl> (which i might add i've never even heard of)
[23:57] <Rush48> yea
[23:57] <Rush48> well, dont bother..  its more dung
[23:57] <Rush48> \its for tinkerers and fanboys only.. they make it all sound great.. but for the casual user its rubbish.. like most linux
[23:57] <wxl> let me know when you got that check done
[23:58] <Rush48> check it when booting on the netbook ?
[23:58] <wxl> yep
[23:59] <Rush48> ive ost the damn link
[23:59] <Rush48> should i downlaod 18.10 or 4?
[23:59] <wxl> language, dear
[23:59] <Rush48> i hate t his .. people consider this fun ?


[18:23] <Mekzholan1> Hi, what's the correct upstart trigger to wait wait for (start on ...) if I need to wait till all networking interfaces are ready, including DHCP?
[21:52] <oliv3r> Hi, i'm trying to build upstart from bzr and after autoreconf -i only ./configure --help works. I'm getting: upstart$ ./configure ./configure: line 2663: syntax error near unexpected token `[Copyright' ./configure: line 2663: `NIH_COPYRIGHT([Copyright © 2010 Canonical Ltd.])' every other time. What suggestions? (I suppose I could edit line 2663, but would it still be an issue next time i check out the trunk
[22:32] <ion> You probably don’t have libnih installed.


[03:23] <rigel> hi, whenever i try and set up a printer on a cups server on my lan, i get a kernel panic and reboot
[03:23] <rigel> how do i track this bug down
[03:36] <twisted_steel> I just came across this ... http://www.theopenhouseproject.com/2009/09/02/end-google-group-spam/
[03:38] <twisted_steel> oops, wrong channel :(
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <micahg> does anyone use a translation of a firefox?
[15:14] <MyXelf_> hi micahg
[15:27] <hggdh> micahg1: I can run it in English, French, or Portuguese
[15:36] <bddebian> Boo
[16:06] <MagicFab> hi - I just noticed some packages missing from lpia builds. What should i log this against ?
[16:06] <MagicFab> Should I log one bug for each package ?
[16:06] <MagicFab> specifically, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=brother-
[16:08] <mahfouz> did anybody notice that you get certain thumbnails flashing up around the area of the pointer in karmic, sometimes (not at all times) when I hover over links in firefox
[16:08] <mahfouz> but also in ubuntu desktop I believe
[16:09] <mahfouz> I don't know how to file a bug because it's difficult to describe, cannot make a screenshot either
[16:09] <mahfouz> so I was asking here to check if the problem is known
[17:35] <MyXelf_> micahg: hi!
[17:37] <micahg> Hi MyXelf_
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - you haven't made any customizations to your GDM session have you?
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> your upgrade issue suggests that something in the GDM session spawned a gvfs daemon
[17:45] <hggdh> chrisccoulson: this is what I think also, but I do not remember trying to customise it
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> is there a gvfs-fuse-daemon running for the GDM user?
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> if so, what other session agents are running for that user?
[17:46] <hggdh> dammit. Yes
[17:46] <hggdh> got one fuse for myself, and one for gdm
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would be why
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> i take it there is also a gvfsd process for the gdm user too?
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> what other processes are running?
[17:48] <hggdh> for gdm?
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, for gdm
[17:49] <hggdh> a truckload: gvfsd, dbus-daemon, libgconf2, notification-daemon, gdu-vol-monitor, gphoto2-vol-monitor (!!)
[17:49] <hggdh> I *must* have run a config on gdm, somehow :-(
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i might know whats causing that
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> one second
[17:49] <hggdh> k
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, it's not what i thought ;)
[17:56] <hggdh> let's assume I *did* customise gdm. How do I Uncustomise the beast?
[17:58] <hggdh> can I simply rm -rf /var/lib/gdm/* ?
[17:58] <seb128> hggdh, gconftool --unset key?
[17:58] <seb128> hggdh, or remove the gconf dir there
[17:58] <hggdh> seb128: I will try both ;-) I would guess --unset will also ne needed
[17:59] <hggdh> and a logout/login
[17:59] <seb128> "also"
[17:59] <seb128> no
[17:59] <seb128> either of those
[17:59] <seb128> you just need to unset the gdm user keys
[17:59] <seb128> deleting the directory will do
[17:59] <seb128> or the corresponding xml there
[17:59] <seb128> or using gconftool
[18:00] <hggdh> seb128: thank you
[18:01] <hggdh> brb
[18:07] <hggdh> yay, removing the files + stopping gdm + killing leftover processes did the trick, it seems
[18:08] <seb128> hggdh, you just need to restart the greeter to try such changes
[18:09] <hggdh> I tried, but got some error pop-ups, and decided to go for the full cleanup
[18:09] <hggdh> just in case
[19:38] <mac_v> !logs
[19:38] <ubot4`> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[20:05] <MyXelf_> micahg: i've been expecting you since yesterday
[20:05] <micahg> MyXelf_: expecting me?  what did I  do?
[20:05] <MyXelf_> micahg: and you showed up, right when i was not here
[20:05] <MyXelf_> micahg: sorry, maybe waiting for you is the right thing to say
[20:05] <micahg> :)
[20:06] <MyXelf_> micahg: do you remember about my bug?
[20:07] <micahg> MyXelf_: no, sorry, lots of bugs going through my head :)
[20:09] <MyXelf_> micahg: u told me last week, u would hup it in the kernel list or something like that
[20:09] <MyXelf_> micahg: let me look for the number
[20:10] <MyXelf_> micahg: 435917
[20:10] <micahg> bug 435917
[20:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 435917 in linux "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper - using ppp [kernel 2.6.31-10.35-generic]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435917
[20:11] <micahg> MyXelf_: if I remember correctly, I suggested that you hop in #ubuntu-kernel and ask someone to look at it if it got no response
[20:15] <MyXelf_> micahg: i didn't got it in that way
[20:15] <mahfouz> so nobody else seeing these flashes around the pointer area in karmic?
[20:15] <MyXelf_> micahg: i'm sorry
[20:15] <mahfouz> i was wondering if I should file a bug
[20:15] <MyXelf_> micahg: can u please tell me what can i do?
[20:16] <MyXelf_> micahg: i'm joining that channel right now
[20:16] <micahg> MyXelf_: yep
[20:17] <micahg> mahfouz: check in #ubuntu+1 to see if anyone else is seeing it
[20:17] <mahfouz> ok
[20:18] <MyXelf_> micahg: should i "talk" with the people, or should i do the bug xxxxxx trick or something related?
[20:18] <micahg> ask if someone could please look at bug xxxxxx
[20:19] <MyXelf_> okie
[20:19] <MyXelf_> thanks a lot, again
[20:20] <MyXelf_> micahg: i can see you say bug in a sentence and the trick happens anyway lol
[20:20] <micahg> yep
[21:25] <MyXelf_> micahg: looks like i make some progress about bug 435917
[21:25] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 435917 in linux "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper - using ppp [kernel 2.6.31-10.35-generic]" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435917
[21:26] <MyXelf_> micahg: lol, i love that tricky thing
[21:31] <micahg> MyXelf_: great
[21:36] <MyXelf_> micahg: thanks to u
[21:36] <micahg> MyXelf_: nah, thanks to you
[21:51] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:58] <DustinAmodeo> micahg: hey i just got an email from you about triaging some firefox bugs?
[22:20] <Kamusin> anybody has a funny bug in his list?, with steps to reproduce would be very nice
[22:23] <Kamusin> package is not important, is for a presentation (nothing formal)? thanks
[22:49] <micahg> hi DustinAmodeo
[22:59] <DustinAmodeo> hello there
[23:03] <micahg> DustinAmodeo: what tz are you in?
[23:03] <DustinAmodeo> central
[23:03] <micahg> ok
[23:04] <micahg> are you available later tonight?
[23:04] <DustinAmodeo> i will be around 8:15
[23:04] <DustinAmodeo> i tutor college kids in about 30 minutes until then
[23:06] <micahg> ok
[23:06] <micahg> cool
[23:06] <micahg> I'm trying to finish something at work right now
[23:06] <DustinAmodeo> kk


[00:01] <krytarik> trebmuh: That's just the verify token though.
[00:08] <geirdal> how?
[00:08] <geirdal> do it again?
[00:09] <geirdal> yes it is not my password


[15:56] <manjaro> hi
[16:00] <RemonShai> hi pavlushka, hope youŕe great...
[16:01] <pavlushka> yes RemonShai I am great and I dont regret :p
[16:02] <pavlushka> RemonShai: So how are you?
[16:02] <RemonShai> me also great :)
[16:02] <RemonShai> welcome Kilos
[16:02] <pavlushka> RemonShai: great for you :)
[16:03] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos  and Welcome :)
[16:03] <RemonShai> my pleaser.....ty
[16:06] <pavlushka> May be Kilos want some coffee
[16:06] <pavlushka> RemonShai: So what you are upto?
[16:10] <RemonShai> me too...
[16:12] <RemonShai> ChanServ: coffee please.
[16:17] <Kilos> hi guys
[16:20] <RemonShai> hi....
[16:20] <RemonShai> Im in.... let´s starts....


[05:24] <stgraber> zyga, jdstrand: any ETA for the new snap-confine to hit xenial? It's the only blocker for the early version of the LXD snap. (https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/site_media/appmedia/2016/10/lxd-snap.jpg is what I get with yakkety's snap-confine on xenial)
[06:51] <CoderEurope> Morning. Canh't be bothered going to get my hot coco from the coffee shop, today ...
[13:43] <mup> PR snapd#2050 closed: interfaces/policy: start of interface policy checking code based on declarations <Critical> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2050>
[14:12] <mup> PR snapd#2040 closed: daemon: add support for `snap create-user --known` <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2040>
[14:23] <mup> PR snapd#2053 opened: interfaces/policy: implement snap-id/publisher-id checks <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2053>
[16:41] <mup> PR snapd#2054 opened: client,daemon,cmd/snap: improve create-user APIs <Created by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2054>
[18:19] <mup> PR snapd#2055 opened: interfaces/policy,overlord: check connection requests against the declaration in ifacestate <Critical> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2055>
[18:48] <mup> PR snapd#2052 closed: many: introduce snap refresh --ignore-validation <snap> to override refresh validation <Critical> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2052>
[19:04] <zyga> stgraber: most likely this week, we need someone to go through and verify all the bugs
[19:37] <Son_Goku> zyga: do you plan to update your snapd package in review?
[19:37] <Son_Goku> and snap-confine, should I go ahead and update it to the latest release?
[19:39] <Son_Goku> upstream-release-monitoring (release-monitoring.org) noticed there are new releases and has filed bugs against it requesting updates
[22:30] <mwhudson> niemeyer: hi, i hope you're in bed by now :)
[22:31] <niemeyer> mwhudson: I'm hoping to stop for a short while before that.. :)
[22:31] <mwhudson> niemeyer: oh right, it's not actually that late for you yet. just sunday :)
[22:33] <niemeyer> mwhudson: Yeah
[22:33] <niemeyer> mwhudson: Anything I can help with?
[22:33] <mwhudson> niemeyer: anyway, just wanted to say that console-conf doesn't use that ssh_key_count thing, so no problem there
[22:33] <niemeyer> mwhudson: Ah, sweet, so the clean up should be safe
[22:33] <mwhudson> i should make changes to show the fingerprints of the keys that were added but that's not a mad-rush thing
[22:33] <mwhudson> niemeyer: is there anything i can do to help?
[22:34] <mwhudson> i guess i can test the unattended user creation flow, at least
[22:34] <niemeyer> mwhudson: I'm not aware of any urgent fixes.. our plan is to be golden by tomorrow
[22:34] <niemeyer> mwhudson: So there might be something showing up still
[22:34] <niemeyer> mwhudson: mvo worked a lot today, but plans to be mostly off tomorrow.. so the actual image cooking might happen on Tuesday
[22:35] <niemeyer> mwhudson: If you can be a bit "on call" over the next couple of days, that'd be appreciated
[22:35] <mwhudson> during work hours that's no problem at all
[22:35] <mwhudson> i'll try to look in this evening too, tomorrow night is out though
[22:36] <niemeyer> mwhudson: We need to have the final image in place by Wednesday, no further delays.. so we'll be stressing it a little in the upcoming days
[22:36] <mwhudson> yeah


[07:02] <PaulePanter> Hi. MIPI IPU6 camera support seems to be in Ubuntu’s OEM Linux kernel, for example, for Dell.
[07:02] <PaulePanter> This is not upstream yet.
[07:03] <PaulePanter> Can I Cc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for the upstream discussion?
[07:38] <tjaalton> PaulePanter: are you upstreaming it?
[07:39] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: No, I am making Greg aware of it.
[07:39] <tjaalton> why?
[07:39] <PaulePanter> Quite disappointed about the situation, and rememebered of the past.
[07:40] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: An Intel driver not being in upstream Linux kernel after several months the hardware was released.
[07:40] <PaulePanter> ?
[07:41] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: How can you not be? How could Google ChromiumOS, Canonical, Lenovo, Dell, … not push for upstreaming?
[07:41] <tjaalton> ask the authors?
[07:41] <PaulePanter> Currently, it’s more like Android driver situation. The patches only work against certain Linux kernel versions. No idea, who dropped the ball here.
[07:42] <tjaalton> support for it is in jammy kernel too
[07:42] <tjaalton> iirc intel has no plans to upstream this, but the next version
[07:44] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: Do you have the commit or patch URL?
[07:44] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1414767/dell-xps-plus-9320-webcam-not-detected-in-ubuntu-22-04 says it didn’t work on Ubuntu 22.04.
[07:45] <PaulePanter> (Though maybe it was the userspace stuff that is missing.)
[07:46] <tjaalton> Ubuntu-5.15.0-40.43 and up should have it
[07:46] <tjaalton> dunno what else it needs
[07:50] <PaulePanter> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/jammy/commit/drivers/media/pci/intel?id=ed1a6f2767f3132065e08e9242e03bf2509ec542
[07:51] <PaulePanter> Done by Intel employee.
[07:51] <PaulePanter> Guess they like to do work a lot of time.
[07:51] <PaulePanter> Let’s see what Greg says, and what comes out of it.
[07:51] <tjaalton> that and bunch of others
[07:52] <tjaalton> so you just want drama?
[07:52] <PaulePanter> No, I want an upstream driver.
[07:52] <tjaalton> don't forget to add the actual driver developeres..
[07:52] <tjaalton> -e
[07:52] <PaulePanter> Yes, added them to Cc: from the repository.
[07:53] <tjaalton> you know it's in github?
[07:53] <PaulePanter> With that knowledge, I would have never ordered it for a user.
[07:53] <tjaalton> https://github.com/intel/ipu6-drivers/issues/22
[07:54] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: Yes, I already found that. Three months no answer.
[07:54] <PaulePanter> *Only an unsatisfying answer after three months.
[07:54] <PaulePanter> I guess new team in Intel with no knowledge how Linux kernel development is supposed to work.
[07:54] <tjaalton> then I don't think you'll get a better answer via email
[07:54] <PaulePanter> We will see.
[07:55] <PaulePanter> See https://github.com/intel/ipu6-drivers/issues/13 for the expected problems with external drivers.
[07:57] <PaulePanter> tjaalton: Seeing the Ubuntu commits, it also means the device didn’t work before June.
[08:08] <tjaalton> vicamo: how much of ^ did you see?
[08:24] <PaulePanter> Message sent<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:24] <vicamo> PaulePanter: I'm not sure if I have the full context here, but Ubuntu will support these devices under our own OEM plans/schedules. Probably cannot speak for Intel here.
[08:25] <PaulePanter> vicamo: How much did you push Intel to get it upstream?
[08:30] <vicamo> PaulePanter: I believe that's irrelevant here.
[08:33] <PaulePanter> Ah, this channel. Sorry about that.
[08:34] <PaulePanter> In my naiv world, I would think the distribution Linux kernel folks would get in touch with the Linux Foundation (Greg, …) early on, if they see such things evolving not in the “correct” direction.
[08:34] <PaulePanter> Anyway, I shut up now. Sorry about the noise. Just very frustrating.
[08:40] <vicamo> And as the distribution Linux kernel folks, that "correct" direction is absolutely what we will put emphasis on at the first sight of an external driver. However, that, how much we pushed Intel, is still irrelevant here.
[08:42] <PaulePanter> I am glad to here that.