[00:01] <oldspice> nevermind
[00:01] <diddledan_> I miss my wily
[00:02] <daftykins> :)
[00:02] <daftykins> found scampi in the supermarket for the first time in months \o/
[00:02] <diddledan_> \o/
[00:02] <daftykins> time to throw in some scampi 'n' chips \o/
[00:02] <diddledan_> nice
[00:14] <diddledan_> I wonder if the skype webapp can be packaged into a shell for usage on loonicks now that the official downloadable seems to be broken?
[00:17] <diddledan_> of course that might also get it onto the boomtutu phone
[00:17] <daftykins> i thought it still required some special sauce to do anything beyond IM?
[00:18] <diddledan_> donno
[00:46] <m0nkey_> Who do I complain to, to get Montreal back on the TZ selection?
[00:46] <AuroraAvenue> dunno
[00:47] <m0nkey_> America/Montreal used to be a valid timezone, not anymore.
[01:16] <diddledan_> m0nkey_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:16] <diddledan_> alternatively /msg sabdfl :-p
[01:17] <m0nkey_> I don't think it's a Cononical thing.. same thing happened in FBSD too.
[01:19] <m0nkey_> also, can 16.04 boot on a mac without osx or refit being installed.. ala Fedora?
[01:20] <m0nkey_> *refind
[01:22] <diddledan_> go to 22minutes: https://developers.facebook.com/videos/f8-2016/keynote-d2/
[01:22] <diddledan_> fun interactions in 3d
[01:25] <diddledan_> m0nkey_, maybe the timezone data has changed upstream then? the package in ubuntu is zoneinfo
[01:25] <diddledan_> might find the upstream details from that
[01:26] <diddledan_> oh no, tzdata
[01:26] <diddledan_> upstream: http://www.iana.org/time-zones
[01:30] <diddledan_> m0nkey_, here's the change: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/2015-April/000030.html
[01:33] <m0nkey_> backzone file?
[01:33] <diddledan_> pas d'idée
[01:33] <m0nkey_> me non plus
[01:36] <diddledan_> I'd like to see geocoding for timezone data so that you input your actual town/city and it uses that to figure out which timezone you are in. it should allow the existing selection of locality AND the search mechanism I just mentioned
[01:36] <diddledan_> so you can do it either way
[02:22] <daftykins> m0nkey_: i'd think most can boot on a mac fine, rEFInd is mostly for a friendly bootloader
[02:23] <daftykins> not gonna be a good experience on a mac mind
[02:32] <diddledan_> you can get the mac bootloader to load grub without a long delay by using the recovery to bless the correct file in the EFI partition
[02:32] <diddledan_> there's supposed to be a linux version of bless but I don't know how well it works
[02:33] <daftykins> bless you
[02:33] <diddledan_> it's called bless because Steve Jobs is the holy Father
[02:34] <diddledan_> sheep go "iphone!"
[02:34] <diddledan_> :-p
[02:34] <diddledan_> sorry, I should save the jesting for when shauno returns :-p
[02:35] <zmoylan-1i> no no, that's my job... :-P
[02:35] <daftykins> ;_;
[04:47] <mappps> ooo
[04:48] <mappps> sillicon valley ep 1 series 3 i out
[04:48] <zmoylan-1i> i got tremors 5 on friday on dvd...
[04:53] <daftykins> hopefully you don't get them trying to put the disc in, zmoylan-pi
[04:55] <zmoylan-pi> now i have to make a special effort to find tremors 4 in dublin this week...
[04:55] <daftykins> didn't realise they'd made that many
[04:56] <zmoylan-pi> i'd heard 4 was out and that 5 was in the works but hadn't realised it was out on dvd already. mind the last few have been straight to dvd movies
[04:56] <zmoylan-pi> wonderfully bad movies
[04:58] <daftykins> they had to be really :)
[04:58] <zmoylan-pi> 'why do you have cannon fuse?'
[05:01] <mappps> lol tremors 5
[05:01] <mappps> why did you buy it heh
[05:01] <daftykins> i've a feeling a shop paid zmoylan-pi to take it ;)
[05:01] <zmoylan-pi> i buy my movies on dvd
[05:02] <zmoylan-pi> €7
[05:02] <zmoylan-pi> this month i also got ice cold in alex and lawrence of arabia
[05:10] <daftykins> g'night folks! have a good week ahead o/
[05:10] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[05:22] <diddledan_> tremors are awesome movies
[05:23] <MartijnV1S> are they.. earth-shatteringly good?
[05:23] <diddledan_> more that they worm their way into your subconcious
[05:24] <diddledan_> subconscious*
[05:24] <zmoylan-pi> they have underground cult following
[05:24] <diddledan_> I guess I'm a cultist
[06:37] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: do you also still buy 78 rpm gramophones ?
[06:37] <knightwise> ?
[06:38] <diddledan_> knightwise, 8 bits are enough for anyone
[06:43] <popey> Morning
[06:43] <knightwise> mornin popey
[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:33] <foobarry> my xbox360 issue seems resolved
[08:33] <foobarry> no lock ups for last few nights
[08:34] <foobarry> skyrim++
[08:34] <MooDoo> just thinking about an elgato to record some xbox gameplay :D
[08:35] <MooDoo> while running do-release-upgrade on one of my servers ;)
[09:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:23] <Guest99393> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy World Penguin Day! 😃
[09:30] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:32] <MooDoo> morning you guys
[09:33] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:37] <MooDoo> upgraded a server at work to LTS - Check.
[09:47] <foobarry> found my blanket to warm me agains thte cold - tick
[10:09] <foobarry> http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/25/logitech-retro-game-display-160-keyboard/
[10:09] <foobarry> somebody spent a lot of time doing that
[10:10] <SuperMatt> mental
[10:37] <MooDoo> looks good though :)
[10:42] <davmor2> JamesTait: bit old school from me for today /!\ note open at you own risk It's Frank Zappa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrV5mWATfxk
[10:43] <davmor2> tis a great guitar solo though :)
[10:53] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[10:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: howdo
[11:06] <knightwise> Chatting with prince .. on AOL http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ChattingWithPrinceOnAOLIn1999ThisWayIsModern.aspx
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> no vinyl knightwise, cds ripped to mp3s for me..
[11:27] <MooDoo> zmoylan-pi: same for me, although i might have picked ogg over mp3 for some reason :)
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> flac all the way
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> then you can make ogg and mp3 all day long, whichever is in favour this week
[11:28] <MooDoo> :)
[11:28] <bashrc> I standardised on mp3 a long time ago, even though I knew it had patent issues
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> well my dumbphone can't handle ogg and not in the mood for converting all my mp3s to ogg either :-)
[11:29] <bashrc> mainly because mp3 just works on all the things
[11:32] <MooDoo> might be of interest to someone - https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Seth-Juarez/Windows-Subsystem-for-Linux-Architectural-Overview
[11:34]  * awilkins has been an Ogg Vorbis person for at least 15 years
[11:34] <awilkins> Android plays it. Deliberately sought out a player that played it, back in the day.
[11:35] <awilkins> Ogg pretty much works on all the things now too because it's OSS and adding it to your device is a free feature
[11:35] <awilkins> Never developed a FLAC habit
[11:36] <awilkins> Storage was at a premium back then.
[11:36]  * awilkins implores people to get off his lawn
[11:37] <popey> My ears don't value FLAC
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> when i first stsrted ripping cds it was an overnight job for to rip a cd on ancient amd-k6-2 processor. and mp3 was /good enough/
[11:39] <foobarry> i watched force awakens on a projector screen at home on say
[11:39] <foobarry> sat
[11:39]  * diplo agrees with all above comments about ogg/mp3, never saw the point in flac
[11:39] <foobarry> sent the audio to a guitar amp via my bluetooth audio thingy
[11:39] <foobarry> it was epic
[11:40] <foobarry> thought about pluging chromecast into the projector but what about redirecting audio?
[11:41] <knightwise> if your projector supports audio via hdmi there is no problem
[11:42] <popey> i think he wants to send the audio to  somewhere else
[11:42] <foobarry> no audio out from the projector though
[11:42] <foobarry> only a crappy internal speaker
[11:42] <foobarry> i hear roki streaming sticks might support private listening
[11:43] <foobarry> so your teenagers can stream to TV and listen via their phone with earphones
[11:44] <knightwise> you can stream to the cromecast audio ?
[11:51] <davmor2> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36123444 ouch
[11:54] <Myrtti> I don't think I've ever walked into a one
[11:55] <DJones> I'm quite impressed with my chromecast 2, watching video streamed from Chrome over wifi from the internet to a tv works well
[12:03]  * davmor2 just leaves this here as the song stuck in his head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JEm4d6Wu4
[12:13] <knightwise> i use it daily :) we dont have cable anymore . just a plex server, netflix and a chromecast
[12:22]  * DJones debates whether to upgrade a 12.04 server to 14.04
[12:22] <MooDoo> DJones: just did my lts to lts :)
[12:23] <MooDoo> well not directly
[12:24] <DJones> I'm not going to 16.04 yet, I'll wait till thats officially released with 16.04.1, I'll just stick with 14.04 if I upgrade
[12:24] <popey> good call :)
[12:31] <diplo> Does anyone *just* run VM's broadband line here ?
[12:31] <DJones> Just hope they remember to update http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release  so that users can update rather than pici haveing to chase dev's a couple of hours after release
[12:31] <diplo> Debating cancelling Sky altogether and use on demand services instead
[12:31]  * diplo doesn't include knightwise as he's not local :)
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: I'm on VM, but have a TV package; althought we mostly use the catch-up services due to live broadcast being <nearly swore> sub-optimal in the quality dimension
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> Cite: Nat Geo, History, Discovery and the plethora of pointless shopping channels.
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> Have often considered switching to cable-only and just paying for Netflix or summat.
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> Although the lack of GNU\Linux support can often be an issue
[12:53] <awilkins> Netflix works fine on Chrome
[12:54] <awilkins> iPlayer works
[12:54] <awilkins> The other catchup things are a bit spotty
[12:54] <awilkins> Netflix and iPlayer have gone HTML5
[12:55] <awilkins> The Flash ones that insist on HAL for DRM don't work (you used to be able to furtle about and get them working but I've not been able to on the most recent generation of them)
[12:56] <awilkins> So no 4oD (or whatever it mutated into) etc.
[12:56] <awilkins> And for some reason my TV vendor hasn't got catchup apps except iPlayer
[12:56] <awilkins> Panasonic, if anyone wants to avoid their products like the plague (I got it free)
[12:59] <foobarry> 4od works
[13:00] <foobarry> woops, misread chrome as chromecast
[14:08] <foobarry> ah,the simple pleasure of strawberry laces
[14:10] <Myrtti> I just had the simple pleasure of chocolate froyo
[14:54] <diplo> Yeah exactly the reason for it for me awilkins / TwistedLucidity ( sorry didn't notice the disconnect :D )
[14:55] <diplo> Only thing I'd miss from Sky is F1 but I guess I could be naughty for that when it's not on C4
[14:55]  * TwistedLucidity find F1 rather dull
[14:56] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Have things improved? Is there actual passing on track, or is it all done in the puts/lawsuits afterwards?
[14:59] <diddledan_> fun: #1574681 raised from an email by upstream winetricks dev reports that wine and winetricks are woefully out of date
[14:59] <diddledan_> no bot?
[14:59] <diddledan_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/winetricks/+bug/1574681
[15:00] <diddledan_> silly bot
[15:01] <diplo> Its definitely better TwistedLucidity, I record it though and skip lots now adays
[15:01] <diplo> Not sure if that's down to a busier life/kids though or just that it's boring at times
[15:01] <diplo> A lot of tracks are follow the leader which annoys me! China was great last week though
[15:02] <diddledan_> I missed it
[15:02] <diddledan_> wonder if ch4 has it on chatchup
[15:02] <diplo> Defo worth a watch
[15:02] <diplo> Used to be 40D ?
[15:02] <diddledan_> aye, 4OD now All4
[15:02] <diplo> Didn't have lvie anyhoo, it will be highlights I guess
[15:04] <foobarry> diplo: i'm a highlights man now
[15:04] <foobarry> children have made my life too busy to watch 2hrs of F1
[15:04] <foobarry> because i have to squeeze in a lot of TV in the evening
[15:05] <foobarry> fixed my elasticsearch but struggling to delete a load of indices
[15:13] <diplo> foobarry: I think that is part of it for me, I used to watch it live, I now record it and watch it when kids are in bed or outside playing
[19:02] <davmor2> just incase people forgot about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3BXVTF7mw still blows me away at how many musicians it take to replicate a synth/computer :)
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> i coulld get a c64 with a sid chip... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/724651437096075264/photo/1
[20:35] <Azelphur> Anyone know a place to get good, cheap Micro USB Cables? Ideally 3 metres, Fabric, 28/24AWG? I bought some off CPC and they only carried a 0.4A charge so returned them.
[20:38] <Myrtti> dunno about AWG, but
[20:38] <Myrtti> http://www.wooke.co.uk/Micro_USB_Cable_-_Fantasy_3M98FT_ChargeOriginal_Charge_and_Sync/p2013229_13392731.aspx
[20:38] <Azelphur> £12? you lost the cheap part too :P
[20:39] <Myrtti> I concentrated on the 'good'
[20:39] <Azelphur> heck, Volutz o a pack of 5 3M cables, fabric, and 28/24AWG they are £17.98 :)
[20:39] <Azelphur> Volutz do a pack*
[20:39] <Myrtti> I've got a habit of breaking USB cables, and I've had that cable from kickstarter for a good while now
[20:39] <Myrtti> and they still work, in comparison to breaking it after two months
[20:40] <Azelphur> yea I don't tend to break them, just want one that carries a decent charge
[20:40] <Azelphur> I know Monoprice does great 28/24AWG cables for $1.62, but shipping to UK is $40 -_-
[20:50] <daftykins> what's the use-case? a friend brought over a cheap microUSB of a few feet and it seems to struggle to keep an xbox one controller running
[21:01] <Azelphur> daftykins: charging phones and such
[21:03] <daftykins> why long? that's the exact situation you don't want to be pushing distance really
[21:03] <daftykins> diddledan_: haha just had one of my own disks go now ;) diagnosed it from slow to skip music tracks... oof!
[21:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: just usb cables to go near the sofa, so you can still use your phone while it's charging, I have 3M Cables that do 2A
[21:03] <Myrtti> daftykins: I use my three meter one in the bed, it's just nicer. It's also handy when traveling
[21:04] <daftykins> you people are insane :)
[21:04] <Myrtti> daftykins: *shrug* saved us on the California honeymoon several times
[21:04] <Azelphur> think I might have found a winner, https://www.amazon.co.uk/ULTRICS%C2%AE-Premium-shielding-Charging-Android/dp/B017O8TKR4
[21:05] <Azelphur> £10 for a pack of 5, tested to sustain over 2.5A, 24 AWG, not fabric but can't have everything ;)
[21:05] <Myrtti> charger had a three meter cable and we plugged the three meter USB on it on top, worked wonders when the hotel room had one socket in the hallway.
[21:05] <Azelphur> I love my USB cable tester, allows me to filter out the bad from the good :)
[21:06] <daftykins> that's some pretty niche usage right thar
[21:18] <Azelphur> in other news, I've been having so much fun with AliExpress, can pick up so many silly little gadgets and only end up spending a tenner


[20:51] <ropo> bekks: whenever is sudo  i get sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set
[20:51] <bekks> lord4163: root has no pw by default, so he cant use su.
[20:52] <lord4163> bekks: ah :D
[20:52] <ioria> mcphail, sy, cannot help any further
[20:52] <bekks> ropo: So show us the output of "ls -lha /usr/bin/sudo" then.
[20:52] <lord4163> ropo: boot from live usb and fix it
[20:52] <ropo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 ubuntu root 152K Oct 14 16:02 /usr/bin/sudo
[20:52] <ropo> lord4163: i am on a server :)
[20:52] <ropo> :(
[20:53] <bekks> ropo: You need to reboot from a live cd/usb and fix it.
[20:53] <lord4163> ropo: VPS?
[20:53] <adalbert> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 136808 Aug 17 15:20 /usr/bin/sudo
[20:53] <ropo> aws
[20:54] <mcphail> ioria: thanks for looking :)
[20:54] <ioria> mcphail, np
[20:54] <ropo> can't we just chmod or chown?
[20:54] <bekks> ropo: No.
[20:54] <adalbert> su?
[20:54] <bekks> adalbert: root has no pw set by default, so no su.
[20:55] <adalbert> right
[20:56] <ropo> damn.
[20:56] <tekeli-li> What options exist, if any, to interact with my fruity i-devices in Ubuntu?
[20:56] <lord4163> tekeli-li: syncthinng
[20:56] <Simonious> is it tough to get ubuntu with no GUI?  does that question even make sense?
[20:57] <Simonious> I've got a machine I want to setup for shell use only
[20:57] <Simonious> it'll run headless most of the time
[20:57] <bekks> Simonious: Just install the server variant, done.
[20:57] <lord4163> tekeli-li: or not
[20:57] <Simonious> bekks: thanks
[20:57] <Bashing-om> !minimal | Simonious
[20:57] <zykotick9> Simonious: or mini, and don't select a desktop environment
[20:57] <tekeli-li> lord4163, thanks, i'll look into it.
[20:57] <k1l_> Simonious: server and desktop share the same kernel and base system. so install the server version and you can start using it wihtout a desktop.
[20:57] <lord4163> tekeli-li: I was wrong actually :(
[20:58] <Simonious> I'm planning to set this machine up as a NAS, I tried freeNAS, don't like it.  Considering arch, but leaning ubuntu.
[20:58] <cybex_> hi all, I am completely lost. I am trying to setup a linux box as a router. I have enabled port forwarding. I have added iptable rules to forward traffic between interfaces. I have setup interfaces with static ip's and metrics where the actual router gatway is the lowest, did I miss anything?
[20:59] <Simonious> a couple of you said server, a couple of you said mini/minimal - Should I be leaning more towards one of those and why?
[20:59] <StuckMojo> so i'm trying to upgrade from 14.04.5 to 16.04.1 and i'm getting "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade." How do i tell what packages are tripping it up?
[20:59] <k1l_> Simonious: you want a server install
[21:00] <Simonious> k1l_: ty
[21:00] <bekks> Simonious: they all share the same kernel. The just differ by the installed package sets.
[21:00] <zacwalls> Would I be able to format a 1 TB HDD as NTFS and mount it like a filesystem?
[21:00] <zacwalls> *as a
[21:00] <k1l_> StuckMojo: might be an 3rd party package or a PPA making issues. you should look into the logs from the updater
[21:00] <Bashing-om> Simonious: As k1l_ said, does not matter . both share the same base .
[21:01] <k1l_> StuckMojo: "grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:01] <Simonious> Next question: I've got two 1T drives and two 2T drives I want to use for the NAS, I'm planning to go straight mirroring software RAID for 3T of storage PLUS a ~300G OS/boot drive - any reason that is a bad plan?
[21:01] <bekks> Simonious: For the OS, 10G are sufficient.
[21:02] <StuckMojo> k1l_: http://termbin.com/32ky
[21:02] <k1l_> zacwalls: yes, you can format and use ntfs. but you can only use that as data partitions, not as system partitions
[21:02] <Simonious> bekks: Alright, I probably have a smaller drive laying around
[21:02] <bekks> Simonious: you dont need a separate drive, actually :)
[21:02] <zacwalls> k1l_, a data partition?
[21:03] <Simonious> bekks: I know, but I like the idea of the OS and the data store being seperate
[21:03] <k1l_> zacwalls: you can run the ubuntu system on that
[21:03] <StuckMojo> k1l_: i think this is from more than one attempt
[21:03] <bekks> Simonious: And you like the idea of not mirroring your OS, too?
[21:03] <StuckMojo> k1l_: let me clear the file and try again so i get just a single list
[21:04] <zacwalls> k1l_, but I wouldn't be able to store files on it?
[21:04] <k1l_> StuckMojo: no. i hav to think about itt a bit, wait
[21:04] <k1l_> zacwalls: sure. that is what a data partition is for
[21:04] <Simonious> bekks: The OS is quickly replaceable, heck I can boot off a USB stick
[21:04] <bekks> Simonious: So dont waste a drive for it then :)
[21:04] <StuckMojo> k1l_: too late ;)
[21:04] <zacwalls> k1l_, oh so I have it backwards :)
[21:04] <zacwalls> perfect
[21:04]  * Simonious thinks
[21:05] <Simonious> I do have another question
[21:05] <Simonious> does mirroring tell you when a drive fails?
[21:05] <Simonious> I think that is the wrong question..  How do I track drive health?
[21:05] <k1l_> StuckMojo: "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:05] <bekks> Simonious: You need to monitor it, yes.
[21:05] <Arkikas> hello
[21:06] <StuckMojo> http://termbin.com/iw22
[21:06] <StuckMojo> k1l_: the list was just as big anyway
[21:06] <k1l_> StuckMojo: 2017-02-04 15:05:17,529 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'postgresql-plperl-9.1' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.'
[21:06] <k1l_> that is the cause, afaik
[21:06] <StuckMojo> aha, yes i see it
[21:07] <StuckMojo> i can kill that
[21:08] <k1l_> StuckMojo: and whatever "nerolinux" is
[21:08] <StuckMojo> k1l_: binary cd/dvd burner
[21:08] <StuckMojo> commercial crap. i can dump that too
[21:13] <lifeforms> Simonious: smartmontools is good for monitoring drive health with SMART
[21:13] <Simonious> lifeforms: ty :)
[21:13] <StuckMojo> k1l_: thanks
[21:14] <xrandr_laptop> brb
[21:15] <xrandr_laptop> ooh, better theme :)
[21:16] <StuckMojo> k1l_: so, i'm not sure removing that is going to help. i installed postgres from the official postgres apt repo
[21:16] <ropo> how do i enter recovery mode from command line
[21:16] <StuckMojo> i think that repo is being disabled as part of the upgrade process, so it wants to remove all those packages
[21:16] <StuckMojo> any way around that?
[21:16] <StuckMojo> i.e. i think if i remove that 9.1 plerl, it will complain about a different one
[21:17] <StuckMojo> i mean, in a pinch i can remove all the pg packages and just reinstall them after the upgrade...
[21:18] <bekks> ropo: you need to do that in the grub prompt.
[21:19] <ropo> bekks:  and how do i do that?
[21:19] <ropo> you mean on start up?
[21:19] <k1l_> StuckMojo: did you disable universe repo?
[21:20] <bekks> ropo: right before booting, in the bootloader, yes.
[21:20] <StuckMojo> k1l_: not explicitly
[21:20] <k1l_> please look at it if its disabled.
[21:20] <k1l_> make sure universe and security are not disabled
[21:21] <StuckMojo> k1l_: it is not, currently
[21:21] <ropo> thanks bekks and lord4163
[21:22] <StuckMojo> yeah so the PGDG apt repo does have xenial packages..
[21:22] <StuckMojo> so i think if i could get it not to disable that repo during the upgrade, it would go smoothly
[21:22] <k1l_> pgdg?
[21:22] <lord4163> ropo: you press shift when it boots, that will open grub
[21:23] <StuckMojo> postgres development group
[21:23] <lord4163> the grub menu*
[21:23] <bekks> lord4163: He's on a AWS instance. No remote console.
[21:23] <StuckMojo> http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/dists/
[21:23] <k1l_> StuckMojo: uh, so its not the ubuntu package but a 3rd party one
[21:23] <StuckMojo> yes, sort of
[21:24] <ropo> lord4163: thanks but i am on a remote server
[21:24] <ropo> aws
[21:24] <k1l_> no, if its not from the ubuntu repos its a 3rd party one.
[21:24] <StuckMojo> pgdg takes the official debs and builds them for all debian and ubuntu releases, in all supported PG versions
[21:24] <bekks> ropo: So reinstall.
[21:24] <ropo> btw can we tell them to reinstall?
[21:24] <StuckMojo> so that you're not stuck with whatever pg version the distro thinks you must have
[21:24] <k1l_> StuckMojo: the packages in the ubuntu repos get automated testings. so that 3rd party install is what the upgrade breaks.
[21:25] <k1l_> StuckMojo: so revert that package to the official state and the upgrade will work
[21:25] <lord4163> ropo: Ah, I don't have any experience with AWS.
[21:25] <k1l_> StuckMojo: btw ubuntu offers postgresql-plperl-9.3 for 14.04
[21:25] <StuckMojo> k1l_: that's the point, there aren't official packages of those versions. that's why the pgdg repo exists
[21:25] <glache> 14/f/cali
[21:25] <bekks> glache: Wrong networl.
[21:25] <StuckMojo> i'm a pg developer. i need many versions
[21:25] <corelectronic> How can I make windows operating system again?
[21:26] <StuckMojo> anyway. so there's no way to get it not to disable that repo during the upgrade? which means i'm stuck unintalling and reinstalling those packages
[21:26] <lord4163> ropo: DigitalOcean has an HTML5 console and doesn't cost a fortune and you can take snapshots of the machine.
[21:26] <k1l_> StuckMojo: no, the point is ubuntu cant handle 3rd party packages and guarantee a smooth upgrade.
[21:26] <glache> lol, jk, sorry
[21:26] <corelectronic> HEY MY FRİENDS ?
[21:26] <corelectronic>  How can I make windows operating system again?
[21:26] <ropo> lord4163: does it listen to key events?
[21:26] <StuckMojo> k1l_: i understand what you're saying
[21:27] <k1l_> StuckMojo: ok.
[21:27] <ropo> keyboard*
[21:27] <StuckMojo> k1l_: i'm just looking for a way to force it ;) if it breaks, i'll keep both pieces
[21:27] <lord4163> ropo: what do you mean?
[21:27] <lord4163> ropo: yes?
[21:27] <k1l_> StuckMojo: you could use ppa-purge to revert to the ubuntu state of the package so the repo doesnt break the upgrade
[21:27] <corelectronic> ANANIZIN AMI AQ
[21:27] <corelectronic> TÜRK YOKMU LAN BURDA AMQ
[21:28] <corelectronic> OÇLAR
[21:28] <ropo> like will it be like a general monitor?
[21:28] <StuckMojo> k1l_: i'll just uninstall them and put them back after
[21:28] <tgm4883> StuckMojo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/147080/comments/9
[21:28] <StuckMojo> tgm4883: oh sweet
[21:29] <lord4163> ropo: Yes, you see it boot. Sign up using https://m.do.co/c/4c0dbd9339dc and you get $10 for free
[21:29] <ropo> lord4163: anyways, leave it, getting a new server ;(
[21:30] <bekks> ropo: Why not just reinstall that thing, finally?
[21:30] <bekks> ropo: you could have done that two hours ago already.
[21:31] <ropo> bekks: how do i reinstall?
[21:31] <bekks> ropo: BY asking the AWS support to initiate a reinstall.
[21:31] <ropo> do they do that?
[21:31] <bekks> ropo: Ask them?
[21:33] <tomreyn> i don't think there is something called "AWS support"
[21:34] <bekks> tomreyn: At least there is some place where he got his AWS instance from.
[21:34] <bekks> tomreyn: Thats the place to go to now :)
[21:34] <tomreyn> yes, probably the AMI repository
[21:34] <dh128> hello! i want to know if it's worth making a PPA for a script + related files I intend to host
[21:34] <StuckMojo> tgm4883: BAM! that did it, thanks! i left only the pgdg repo enabled, i let it disable all the others. and i edited that one by hand to point it to xenial befor running the upgrade tool
[21:34] <StuckMojo> now it's happy
[21:34] <StuckMojo> k1l_: thanks as well
[21:36] <reisio> dh128: you already established it's worth your time since you clearly want to do it, and people clearly want you to, or so you said
[21:37] <dh128> reisio: im still new to linux in general
[21:37] <dh128> reisio: if it's more hassle than it's worth then i'd just redirect people to the github page
[21:37] <reisio> dh128: oh, well
[21:37] <reisio> I think probably if you weigh the ease of installing a ppa
[21:37] <reisio> vs the ease of running a script you put on github
[21:37] <reisio> you may as well go with the latter
[21:38] <reisio> for this particular thing
[21:38] <reisio> you can put sudo apt-get install blah lines into your script if you want
[21:39] <dh128> reisio: yeah i think i'll do that
[21:40] <dh128> it's only 4 commands anyway
[21:42] <reisio> dh128: too right
[21:42] <reisio> sh ftw
[21:42] <reisio> I wrote all of Eurasia in sh
[21:42] <reisio> that's why it's so robust
[21:43] <dh128> yeah
[21:43] <dh128> still can't believe google got me this far
[21:43] <dh128> 3 days ago i didn't know what a hashbang was
[21:46] <reisio> I think 'shebang' is older, so I use that
[21:46] <reisio> but we should really think of an altogether funnier-still name for it
[21:51] <weever> hi guys
[21:52] <reisio> hi wee
[21:52] <reisio> by wee
[21:52] <pos> If I dd an ubuntu iso onto a flashdrive or use grub isoloop the installer will fail at mounting the install media (since there is no ODD or media). anyone found a way to beat this?
[21:56] <reisio> ODD?
[21:59] <pos> optical disc drive
[21:59] <reisio> pos: what actually happens after you dd the image and boot the flash drive?
[22:00] <pos> installer runs but fail at detecting and mounting the install media
[22:00] <reisio> can you be more specific?
[22:01] <pos> well, it can't detect an install disk since there is no ODD and no media to mount :)
[22:03] <reisio> that statement is somewhat at odds with your other statement 'installer runs'
[22:04] <pos> well, ofc the curses installer runs (using server iso/media), i set up language, keyboard layout and then it fails at finding and mounting install media
[22:05] <reisio> the curses installer?
[22:05] <reisio> you using the minimal?
[22:18] <pos> reisio, server installer, the text, boxes and colors gui
[22:18] <zg34> omg
[22:23] <aruns> Hi, I am running Ubuntu 16.04. Just noticed that getting sound from the left speaker but not the right. Checked alsamixer and couldn't find any channels that would have been related to the right speaker, so wonder if there's a setting I need to change in any of the .conf files for pulseaudio?
[22:23] <aruns> Or maybe it could be some sort of permissions issue?
[22:23] <k1l_> aruns: or maybe its a cable/hardware issue? :)
[22:23] <aruns> k1l_: It was working fine earlier today.
[22:24] <aruns> I will give you some of my hardware info.
[22:24] <aruns> I get HDA Intel at 0xf6afc000 irq 30 running cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:24] <daniel-4> Anyone know about a rootkit that Rkhunter found? kWARN-- [rootkit004w] Chkrootkit has detected a possible rootkit installation Possible Linux/Ebury - Operation Windigo installed
[22:24] <tgm4883> aruns: contrary to popular belief, things don't usually just break randomly. What changed from when it was working earlier?
[22:25] <StuckMojo> tgm4883: k1l_: thanks again
[22:25] <StuckMojo> ciao
[22:26] <k1l_> daniel-4: you still need to look into the issues rkhunter is finding yourself. its not a "one click and everything is done automatically". rkhunter brings up a lot of false positives
[22:26] <aruns> tgm4883: Nothing really, I removed a few Vagrant boxes and was doing some work with the JVM through Scala and Java.
[22:27] <aruns> tgm4883: Oh, I also installed vim-gnome.
[22:27] <aruns> That's the only package I installed today.
[22:27] <aruns> I don't know whether that package is to blame or not.
[22:28] <tgm4883> aruns: laptop/desktop? You've tested the audio in the sound settings for each channel? You've checked the cableing didn't come unplugged (or halfway unplugged)
[22:28] <aruns> tgm4883: Dell Latitude E5400 laptop. I've checked under the Sound Settings GUI and on Alsamixer.
[22:28] <daniel-4> kil_: not sure I only installed Ubuntu now and ran it as it showed in previous install.
[22:29] <aruns> I've tested on two separate earphones.
[22:29] <tgm4883> aruns: have you tried the built in speakers?
[22:29] <aruns> tgm4883: Will do that now
[22:30] <k1l_> daniel-4: as i said: you have to rule out the "positives" from rkhunter if they are false positives or real issues manually. for your "issue"https://www.cert-bund.de/ebury-faq  i guess its just a false positive by rkhunter.
[22:30] <aruns> tgm4883: Plays on both channels with built in speakers.
[22:31] <tgm4883> aruns: you've checked that you don't have some gunk/fuzz/lint in your 3.5mm port?
[22:31] <daniel-4> kil_: ok thanks
[22:31] <aruns> tgm4883: I can't really much in the port.
[22:31] <aruns> *really see much
[22:32] <aruns> tgm4883: And it's playing on the left bud when earphones connected, just not the right.
[22:32] <aruns> But maybe worth cleaning out the 3.5mm port at some point then, I guess?
[22:32] <aruns> Just to be on the safe side.
[22:32] <tgm4883> aruns: yes
[22:33] <aruns> OK, thanks.
[22:40] <ubuntuuser> Hello I have a problem I am trying to move the bios update into my /boot/efi folder so that I can upgrade my dell xps13 bios however I cannot get permission to move anything into the folder I have tried chown and chmod any ideas ?
[22:41] <tgm4883> ubuntuuser: have you tried sudo?
[22:44] <ubuntuuser> tgm4883: yes
[22:44] <OerHeks> sudo cp should work , http://askubuntu.com/questions/676594/flashing-bios-update-on-dell-xps-13-2015
[22:45] <ubuntuuser> tgm4883: it says operation not permitted
[22:45] <tgm4883> ubuntuuser: can you pastebin the command and output you had?
[22:45] <k1l_> wasnt that changed due to some software removing the stuff inside the uefi folder firmware?
[22:46] <journal> so do you guys think snap packages will take off and do you believe they are break proof unlike apt
[22:46] <tgm4883> journal: what is break proof?
[22:46] <k1l_> journal: this channel is for technical issues only. for talk/polls better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic for technical issues ask in #snappy
[22:47] <journal> k
[22:47] <k1l_> journal: and snap packages are already in use and the ubuntu touch is changing to use snap pacakges instead of the the old click packages
[22:48] <ubuntuuser> tgm4883: pastebin.com/YeELKppU
[22:49] <tgm4883> ubuntuuser: no, 'sudo cp filename /boot/efi/'
[22:52] <ubuntuuser> tgm4883: duh thanks mate!
[23:16] <glache> Can I recursively list all executable files in a directory?
[23:17] <glache> find . -perm /u=x,g=x,o=x
[23:17] <hankle> Hey, I have a fresh install of 16.04 LTS and can't seem to get anything to work. I've tried setting it as a static which gets me the "up and down" arrow rather than searching. However, when I try to ping my gateway (or any other local machines) I get destination unreachable errors. I feel like I've exhausted a lot of the options I have and am wondering if there's something else I should try
[23:18] <hankle> sorry, I can't seem to get a wired connection to work
[23:26] <StuckMojo> what's the preferred terminal on xenial? gnome-terminal's transparency doesn't seem to work in openbox now
[23:29] <StuckMojo> hmm...eterm seems to still work
[23:35] <zykotick9> StuckMojo: no idea about transparency, but... you might want to check out urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) if you want an "old-school-serious-terminal".... ymmv
[23:37] <StuckMojo> zykotick9: thx
[23:39] <adalbert> Hi, what desktop file manager is better than Thunar ? Thunar keep crashing and hanging , what a buggy file manager my god ... I need better !!
[23:44] <canio> caniuccio
[23:50] <glache> I have several executables in a directory, how can I add them all to my system path permanently?
[23:51] <k1l_> put them into ~/bin or expand the path with that directory
[23:53] <glache> How can I expand it?  I need to add it to the list.
[23:53] <k1l_> !path
[23:55] <glache> ty
[23:58] <Asmodeous> hrm


[14:29] <yanli> paulliu, hey! are you there?
[14:29] <yanli> paulliu, we've just made the anjal 0.1 release, and i want to push it into billerica
[14:31] <paulliu> yanli: hi.
[14:31] <paulliu> yanli: I have a patch to generate anjal and anjal-anerley. We will have anerley in Ubuntu universe soon. And it is already in Debian I think.
[14:32] <yanli> oh, that's cool!
[14:32] <yanli> yup, libanerley0
[14:33] <yanli> paulliu, i can't find billerica's ppa... could you please tell me where's the anjal for billerica?
[14:33] <paulliu> yanli: sorry. What's billerica?
[14:33] <paulliu> yanli: Is it a codename?
[14:33] <paulliu> yanli: I'll ask it. Wait.