[00:37] <xnox> Odd_Bloke:  cjwatson: isn't it the first one in /var/lib/dpkg/arch ?!
[00:37] <xnox> but i think that is internal / private, not public api
[02:46] <mwhudson> ENOENT
[02:49] <mwhudson> dpkg seems to set it at build time
[08:52] <didrocks> cpaelzer: thanks for the libos-info patch (and yeah, the readme needs some update it seems :p)
[09:12] <cpaelzer> didrocks: yw
[09:12] <cpaelzer> for once I tried to follow the "how to contribute" and then it is outdated :-)
[09:12] <cpaelzer> didrocks: did you spot any issues in the MR ?
[09:13] <cpaelzer> and if not maybe say "LGTM" there as you also are listed as Reviewed-by on the last Ubuntu changes
[09:15] <didrocks> cpaelzer: I’ll have a deeper look this morning, but at first glance, I didn’t spot anything. Once done, yes, I’ll answer on gitlab
[09:20] <cpaelzer> thank you didrocks
[11:50] <tkamppeter> Some core dev around here? Could you have a look at bug 1862926? It updates SANE to make the scanning in nearly all modern multi-function printers work and hopefully also stops users from mucking around with HPLIP (bug 1766020).
[14:23] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, .
[14:23] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, ? ?
[14:24] <LocutusOfBorg> 16mb of debdiff... meh
[14:24] <LocutusOfBorg> can't we help uploading in debian experimental and then go for ubuntu?
[14:24] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, the huge debdiff is due to the upstream code included.
[14:25] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, an new upstream version always causes a big debdiff, especially if it is two feature releases later.
[14:29] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, but I would prefer to upload on debian expeirmental
[14:29] <LocutusOfBorg> and then sync
[14:33] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, could you do that? We need to get it done before FF.
[15:29] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: hiho - a binfmt question, qemu's style to use this is very outdated
[15:30] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: I'm pretty sure there's a Debian bug about this
[15:30] <cpaelzer> yes
[15:30] <cpaelzer> 866756
[15:30] <cpaelzer> but I have a detail question abotu it for you as binfmt expert
[15:30] <cjwatson> Sure
[15:31] <cpaelzer> we had a problem e.g. in WSL containers that the (old style) direct calls to "update-binfmts ... --install" failed there
[15:31] <cpaelzer> the fix in the past was to have a better contianer detection
[15:31] <cjwatson> --import shouldn't have that problem
[15:31] <cpaelzer> but reading through the bug above I was wondering what binfmt triggers will do
[15:32] <cjwatson> I mean, by all means try it out, but it isn't supposed to fail if the equivalent of --install fails
[15:33] <cpaelzer> so it would try and gracefulyl go on
[15:33] <cjwatson> more or less on the grounds that the information is still on disk and can be replayed, yes
[15:33] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: do you have a package in mind that already uses the --import + trigger correctly?
[15:34] <cjwatson> please don't say trigger here - binfmt-support probably should support actual triggers, but it doesn't yet (https://bugs.debian.org/945019)
[15:36] <cjwatson> I don't know of anything using --unimport correctly (which isn't to say they don't exist); quite a few use --import (e.g. pythonX.Y, llvm-8-runtime).  But really if you follow the detailed instructions in /usr/share/doc/binfmt-support/README.Debian you should be fine
[15:36] <cpaelzer> thanks cjwatson
[15:37] <cjwatson> The only qemu quirks AFAIK are that it has arch-specific binfmts, and that it needs to be extra-careful to avoid accidentally registering a binfmt for the native architecture (which is a great way to instantly lock up your system)
[15:40] <cpaelzer> the omit logic didn't change for years and I'd not touch it on that change
[15:49] <cjwatson> I suppose you can keep on computing that at run-time and just import the right set of binfmt files
[15:49] <cjwatson> I'm not sure that will work well though
[15:50] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: you really want to ship the right set of binfmt files at build time rather than at run-time
[15:50] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: doing it at build time means they can all go in /usr/share/binfmts/, which means that if binfmt-support is installed after qemu then it can run 'update-binfmts --import' and catch up
[15:50] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: this is not going to work well if you keep the arch-specific handling entirely in the postinst
[17:07] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, reported SANE update request to Debian as Debian bug 951213.
[17:10] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, will have a look tomorrow hopefully
[17:13] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, are you Debian developer?
[18:15] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, yes I am


[14:41] <om26er> So I have unity8 running in virt-manager, my mouse seems to be a little off
[14:52] <davmor2> om26er: put it into the corner that it is furthest inaccurate too ie if it is down and right that is the corner you aim for :)
[14:53] <greyback> om26er: yep, something we're aware of. We have a little work to do with mir cursor and unity8 still
[14:53] <davmor2> om26er: the other thing you can do is use spice and/or virtual machine manager and capture the mouse properly too
[15:26] <om26er> davmor2, I tried to run the image in virtualbox, unity8-session seems to crash in VBox
[15:32] <davmor2> om26er: no virtualbox, vmm
[15:32] <davmor2> om26er: it's kvm on steroids with a virtualbox style gui creator
[15:34] <om26er> davmor2, vmm seems to be something related to postgresql, is that the right package ?
[15:35] <davmor2> om26er: virt-manager is the package
[15:35] <om26er> davmor2, hmm, oh. I had virt-manager running unity8 previously, I though virtualbox will fix the pointer issue
[15:36] <om26er> davmor2, I have virt-manager setup and running already :)


[03:04] <yesitisjustme> anyone use wine?
[03:04] <Unit193> Some like beer more
[03:12] <yesitisjustme> i mean meam wine for linux
[03:13] <Unit193> Bad joke, what's the issue?
[03:16] <yesitisjustme> does msi extension work in wine?
[03:17] <Unit193> Kind of, but you need to change something
[03:18] <Unit193> First run   sudo apt-get install winetricks    then     sh winetricks msi2
[03:26] <yesitisjustme> wine tricks is needed for it to work?
[03:26] <yesitisjustme> ok
[03:27] <Unit193> Well, it's the quick and easy way
[04:48] <silverarrow> hi
[04:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Hi
[04:48] <silverarrow> anyone clever with firefox addon?
[04:48] <silverarrow> I am on to a bug in gnome mplayer
[05:18] <silverarrow> yesitisjustme, hi
[06:31] <JadedJacob> Good evening.
[06:32] <JadedJacob> What size do you guys use for your /root partition if you're not using a home partition?
[06:33] <bioterror> depends
[06:33] <bioterror> 10GB could be enough
[06:33] <M0hi> JadedJacob: what are the applications you install/use ? like somw web development or some other
[06:33] <bioterror> I would give maybe 15
[06:34] <M0hi> bioterror: 20 ? :P
[06:34] <JadedJacob> I'm setting up a triple boot for a friend.
[06:34] <bioterror> why?
[06:34] <JadedJacob> Vista (cringes) Lubuntu, and Opensuse 11.04
[06:34] <JadedJacob> They want to test out in linux
[06:35] <JadedJacob> So I'm installing lubuntu and opensuse for them.
[06:35] <JadedJacob> just basic internet and media use
[06:35] <JadedJacob> So I'll just install VLC Player and make sure flash player works and leave it at that.
[06:36] <M0hi> then 10 will do
[06:36] <JadedJacob> 80GB = 74GB as far as Gparted is concerned.
[06:36] <M0hi> 10 GB I mean
[06:36] <JadedJacob> 4gb for the vista recovery partition. so i gave vista 35GB, and I have 35GB left for linux
[06:37] <JadedJacob> How about 15GB for each distro, and 5GB for the swap file?
[06:39] <M0hi> JadedJacob: 10 GB is enough for lubuntu. Its upto you to give more memory
[06:45] <silverarrow> is gnome mplayer freeze, a lubuntu issue
[06:45] <silverarrow> knows bug?
[06:45] <silverarrow> known bug*
[06:45] <silverarrow> bioterror?
[06:46] <bioterror> http://launchpad.net/
[06:47] <bioterror> you can search for gnome player
[06:47] <M0hi> silverarrow: is the other players also having the same issue? If not, register a bug in launchpad.net as bioterror mentioned
[06:47] <M0hi> but under gnome player and not under lubuntu
[06:48] <silverarrow> no only mplayer, vlc doesn't cause freeze-up, but then again will not work
[06:48] <silverarrow> vlc, works on some stuff
[06:49] <JadedJacob> Thanks M0hi
[06:50] <M0hi> no probs JadedJacob  =]
[06:51] <JadedJacob> Now I just have to work whether to use 10GB for each distro, and then a 10GB as a shared storage partition.
[06:51] <JadedJacob> OR
[06:52] <JadedJacob> 15GB per distro and mount points to each distro's user dir :)
[06:53] <bioterror> you should use all the 80GB for Lubuntu.
[06:53] <bioterror> next! ;D
[06:54] <JadedJacob> ;)
[07:01] <M0hi> bioterror: :P
[07:02] <silverarrow> it's always a bit daft with bugs, nobody wants them. I don't think it's a mplayer issue / I do think it's an mplayer issue
[07:03] <bioterror> then backtrace that gnome mplayer
[07:03] <bioterror> install all the dev -packages for mplayer and gnome-mplayer
[07:03] <bioterror> you get more specific data
[07:04] <silverarrow> maybe related ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/788430
[07:05] <silverarrow> I get it in firefox to with the video flash replacer addon
[07:05] <silverarrow> which is mplayer
[07:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow: mplayer and flash player drivers has no link. Try VLC/ some other movie players please
[07:17] <silverarrow> vlc do not freeze, I have it, but it will not play like mplayer
[07:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> then find mplayer devs and ask for the help regarding this silverarrow
[07:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> hyperair: remove the ',' in the topic after "Welcome to lubuntu"
[07:20]  * IAmNotThatGuy gives work to hyperair
[07:21] <hyperair> um what ,?
[07:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> hyperair: in priv msg
[07:21] <hyperair> IAmNotThatGuy: i don't see any priv msg..
[07:22] <silverarrow> if I install smplayer from package manger will it somehow affect default gnome mplayer?
[07:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> hyperair: PM
[07:22] <hyperair> okay, just saw it
[07:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow: No
[07:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> you should be careful only at the time of removal
[07:23] <silverarrow> that could potentially muck up the experiment
[07:25]  * IAmNotThatGuy didn't do that hyperair :P
[07:26]  * hyperair didn't do that to IAmNotThatGuy
[07:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol
[07:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> hyperair: -offtopic
[07:59] <silverarrow> it is a chore to address bugs
[08:08] <CARCASS> hi people, I need suggestion about synaptic in lubuntu 11.04: I can't remove packages marked as "not installed, residual config". I mark them to completely remove, but the apply button is not active.
[08:08] <silverarrow> hi
[08:09] <silverarrow> who asked me to install gecko?
[08:09] <silverarrow> I have installed two packages from suggested packages. I have mucked up some functions
[08:10] <silverarrow> is it easy to revert to previous state?
[08:10] <silverarrow> I regret it big time
[08:11] <bioterror> Wed02:42*<micahg> silverarrow: I'd suggest just installing gecko-mediaplayer from -proposed and then removing it if your risk tolerance is low
[08:11] <bioterror> Wed02:43*<micahg> silverarrow: removing -proposed, not gecko-mediaplyer
[08:11] <silverarrow> I installed lib6 something
[08:12] <silverarrow> stupid me
[08:13] <silverarrow> it did mess up
[08:13] <silverarrow> the gecko package
[08:14] <silverarrow> if I run package manager will it detect and remove them?
[08:17] <silverarrow> I could shoot my self in the foot
[08:17] <silverarrow> i cannot stream online tv
[08:18] <bioterror> :(
[08:20] <silverarrow> a bit stupid too
[08:20] <silverarrow> what was I thinking the package would be good for?
[08:20] <bioterror> it's a nice thing that my service proviced offers us a XBMC plugin to watch stored tv shows from their clould service
[08:21] <silverarrow> freeze issues are more than enough
[08:21] <bioterror> I can just WoL my HTPC, start the plugin and choose what I've stored and watch it
[08:22] <bioterror> so maybe you should consider a better service for your online tv?
[08:22] <silverarrow> I was rather happy with gnome mplayer gecko and chromium, is streamed online tv, direct too
[08:22] <silverarrow> yes maybe
[08:22] <bioterror> we have one channel that has webpage full of silverlight
[08:23] <silverarrow> I have moonlight
[08:23] <silverarrow> I have a feeling this is never going to be reversed
[08:24] <silverarrow> maybe next time I install lubuntu,
[08:24] <silverarrow> when does lubuntu 12 come?
[08:24] <silverarrow> or 11.10, what ever they call it
[08:27] <Unit193> Think about that, it's based on release date (version numbers)
[08:54] <silverarrow> Unit193, thanks, obvious really lol
[08:55] <silverarrow> I heard rumors there's a release in October
[08:56] <silverarrow> I really wish there was a way to reverse newly installed packages
[09:57] <meway> why is my desktop showing multiple things open when there is only 1 thing open? (when closing they all close)
[09:57] <bioterror> for example?
[09:58] <meway> well my time wireless and sound is not in the correct spot (to the right of the screen) and I open xchat and I see multiples going across the bottom
[09:58] <bioterror> ah notification area
[09:59] <meway> oh that helps xD
[09:59] <meway> ty
[09:59] <meway> <- feels like a tard :)
[10:03] <Unit193> Try saying /me feels like a tard ;)
[10:06] <meway> :p
[10:07]  * meway tard the new Pokemon
[10:50] <M0hi> Unit193: LOL
[12:56] <Jaded-> Is there a special way that I need to install Vlc player on lubuntu compared to ubuntu pure?
[12:56] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install vlc
[14:37] <micahg> hmm...moonlight in natty also needs testing in natty-proposed, I missed that too...
[15:21] <tomeo> Why does the Lubuntu installer create three partitions?
[15:21] <tomeo> I get sda1, sda2 and sda5 where sda2 is primary and sda5 is swap
[15:21] <tomeo> I dont understand what sda1 is
[15:54] <morri> hi guys, I have forcefully downgraded my firefox back to 4 because I didnt like the 5 or 6 browser, but now it appears always in update manager, how do I make it that the update manager ignores firefox?
[16:00] <Soojin> morri: inside synaptics you can lock packages
[16:01] <Soojin> under Package -> Lock/Force (I have swedish lubuntu so i don't know quite what it says in the english version;) )
[16:11] <morri> cool thanks Soojin
[17:23] <silverarrow> is there a way to revert to a previous update?
[19:17] <silverarrow> what kind of players and media drivers are default in lubuntu?
[19:18] <silverarrow> I am thinking of removing all extras, en reinstall
[19:19] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-core
[19:19] <silverarrow> I have 11.04
[19:20] <silverarrow> I messed up my mediaplayer, some kind of gecko or plugin mess
[19:20] <Unit193> What exactly are you looking for? Sounded like you didn't want default programs
[19:20] <silverarrow> oh sorry, I am very happy with default
[19:21] <silverarrow> and extras
[19:21] <silverarrow> for a while everything worked fairly well
[19:21] <silverarrow> I installed two proposed packages yesterday and they messed up online stream tv
[19:22] <silverarrow> I  don't know if it is repairable
[19:22] <silverarrow> I am hoping
[19:23] <silverarrow> streaming in mplayer stopped working
[19:23] <silverarrow> so, it's really difficult to trace the packages? or latest updates?
[19:23] <Unit193> Ok, disable the repo then open the terminal and type   sudo apt-get update    and     sudo apt-get reinstall {packages messed up}
[19:24] <silverarrow> yes, I did disable the proposed stuff
[19:26] <silverarrow> can you make sense out of this? http://pastebin.com/uKAHCccu
[19:27] <Unit193> You need to actually secect the package name >.<
[19:27] <silverarrow> sudo apt-get reinstall invalid operation
[19:29] <silverarrow> definitely a challenge
[19:29] <silverarrow> god knows what I have installed
[19:29] <silverarrow> he has probably no idea either
[19:29] <Unit193> Oh, wrong program for that :P sudo apt-get uninstall [package]   than    sudo apt-get install [package]
[19:31] <silverarrow> I have to google what packages I installed
[19:32] <silverarrow> I followed a guide for medibuntu I think with added gecko/mplayer/and windows media plugins
[19:49] <micahg> silverarrow: I forgot to mention that a new moonlight is waiting in natty-proposed as well
[19:57] <silverarrow> and how will it work?
[19:57] <silverarrow> I'm not shore I even know if can use moolight, when I have mplayer and gecko
[20:00] <silverarrow> situation now is that tv streams loads, caches, and play for a second then aborts
[20:00] <silverarrow> I'm shore something is interfering with the main driver or plugin
[20:02] <silverarrow> it looks like moonlight mozilla plugin should stream tv
[20:03] <silverarrow> i've had enough for today I think
[20:03] <silverarrow> I'm not getting any where
[20:04] <silverarrow> I suspect I have double up some kind of plugin or driver and the interfere
[20:07] <silverarrow> micahg, the gecko package messed up
[20:07] <micahg> with Firefox 6?
[20:08] <silverarrow> no, with chromium, but it didn't work in firefox 6 either, or before
[20:08] <silverarrow> in chromium I could stream tv with mplayer fine
[20:08] <silverarrow> firefox never did
[20:09] <silverarrow> I have no good explanation for it
[20:19] <silverarrow> micahg, firefox is the preferred browser these days?
[20:19] <silverarrow> I tried to stick with chromium, because it was default
[20:20] <micahg> silverarrow: depends in which derivative
[20:20] <micahg> you're free to use whatever you like, I happen to be the one pushing through updates in the stable releases for both Firefox and Chromium
[20:21] <silverarrow> it's all right, I installed Firefox because of the flash video replacer
[20:22] <silverarrow> work well
[20:22] <silverarrow> but I lost tv stream
[20:23] <silverarrow> I am sure it is a minor issue
[20:24] <silverarrow> like double up drivers, but I cannot find any clue to how or where they should be lined up
[20:28] <gumus> hi all
[20:28] <gumus>  I need to transform a subtitle's code to utf-8 .Because local letters are not legible at the moment. I used to write a command like  -f iso... -t utf-8  file.srt > file1.srt. But I don't remember it exactly. Can anyone help me with that?
[20:31] <silverarrow> tricky
[20:33] <gumus> oh found it
[20:33] <gumus> iconv
[20:39] <meway> how do I set a background?
[20:44] <meway> how do I set an image as a background in lubuntu?
[20:45] <meway> out of 43 people everybody is afk?
[21:41] <Soojin> heh
[21:41] <Soojin> kids these days
[22:12] <jeffcutsinger> Is there something special I need to do to use a different wm? I changed the setting in lxsession-edit, and it's still using openbox.
[23:23] <jeffcutsinger> For whatever reason, lxsession-edit was writing its configuration changes to the LXDE session instead of the Lubuntu session. Copying directory over made it work.
[23:46] <silverarrow> I have discovered where the annoying popups come from
[23:46] <silverarrow> I blamed chromium for being bad with popups, but it i IsoHunt
[23:47] <silverarrow> IH have these nasty banners with blinking adverts and popups that appear in a new window


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[15:56] <walrider> ok lagto na bai :| im heppy :|
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[16:00] <pavlushka> now pm me
[16:00] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ty
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[16:02] <Kilos> hi pavlushka walrider
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[16:03] <Kilos> storming here so power cuts anytime
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[16:05] <walrider> had ur meal ?


[10:37] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:40] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:40] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:41] <rmg51> o/
[13:36] <InHisName> Morning everyone
[14:09] <InHisName> Isn't it wonderful ??   It is FRIDAY!   It's Friday.
[14:09] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:09] <InHisName> teddy-dbear has transformed into a BOT!
[14:10] <teddy-dbear> one day before the end of the world ;-)
[15:40] <ChinnoDog> hi peeps
[15:41] <teddy-dbear> o/
[15:44] <ssweeny> wassup ChinnoDog
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> nuffin much. Got me a mexican hot chocolate and an apple danish.
[15:51] <ssweeny> nice
[16:08] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: What do you do for Canonical now?
[16:09] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, i'm in the OEM solutions group
[16:09] <ssweeny> basically i customize ubuntu for new hardware
[16:10] <ChinnoDog> For whose hardware?
[16:11] <ssweeny> can't say
[16:12] <ssweeny> well, i can say that for instance my group created the netbook interface for the dell mini
[16:12] <ssweeny> so things like that
[16:13] <ChinnoDog> Ah. So, you are customizing it for vendors. That is what I wanted to know.
[16:13] <ChinnoDog> Do they pay you to do this or does Canonical do this to push Ubuntu?
[16:13] <ssweeny> both i guess
[16:14] <ssweeny> some of the stuff ends up in ubuntu
[16:14] <ssweeny> like unity-2d, which i believe came out of the oem group
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> But I mean when someone like Dell wants to sell a laptop with Ubuntu do they pay your group to cut them an Ubuntu image/install or does Canonical volunteer to make one so Dell can ship Ubuntu?
[16:16] <ChinnoDog> i.e. Who is actually paying your salary?
[16:22] <ssweeny> i believe that dell pays for the customization
[16:22] <ssweeny> but i've only been here a week so what do i know?
[16:36] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: are you doing ARM builds?
[16:36] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, not at the moment. why?
[16:36] <ChinnoDog> Just wondering
[16:36] <ChinnoDog> Any non x86 architectures?
[16:37] <ssweeny> ubuntu already has ports to arm and powerpc
[16:37] <ssweeny> and debian has a ton more
[16:38] <ssweeny> actually the ubuntu powerpc port may be unmaintained now
[16:40] <ChinnoDog> I meant your group. ARe you doing non x86 customizations?
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> AMD is releasing a 128-bit CPU this year? Sweet.
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> When can I get Ubuntu 128-bit edition?
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> MS is working on 128-bit Win 8.
[16:50]  * ChinnoDog expects Ubuntu 128-bit released tomorrow
[16:54]  * ssweeny gets right on that
[16:55] <ChinnoDog> \o/
[16:55] <JonathanD> I want 640-bit
[16:55] <JonathanD> that ought to be enough for anyone.
[17:25] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Its not just this year, its next month. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20110307165713_AMD_Finalizes_Shipment_Dates_for_Next_Gen_Chips.html
[17:25] <PennBot> Title: AMD Finalizes Shipment Dates for Next-Gen Chips - X-bit labs (at www.xbitlabs.com)
[17:27] <ssweeny> man we just got 64-bit working right on the desktop
[17:30] <ChinnoDog> Good. This can be an excercise in portability. The same things that make the 64-bit version work should make 128-bit work, correct?
[17:31] <ChinnoDog> There isn't a whole lot of 64-bit only software but there is 32-bit, so just need to write the compatibility library for running 32-bit code on 128-bit CPU and it should be pretty much the same experience.
[17:34]  * ssweeny does not really see the utility of a 128-bit cpu at this point
[17:34] <ssweeny> all it will really do is bloat software
[17:42] <ChinnoDog> I can't tell if there are x86-128 instructions. Maybe the architecture is 128-bit but the instructions are still 64-bit.
[17:43] <ChinnoDog> Theoretically having a 128-bit wide data path should allow you to process 64-bit instructions twice as fast, right?
[17:44] <ssweeny> it's not just the instructions
[17:44] <ssweeny> you also have pointers and ints
[18:28] <pleia2> and monkeys and daffodils
[18:29] <ssweeny> those too
[18:31] <teddy-dbear> no unicorns?
[18:33] <pleia2> unicorns are unrelated
[18:35] <ssweeny> unicorns are orthogonal to instruction set size
[18:35] <ssweeny> everyone knows that
[19:05] <teddy-dbear> how about cookies?
[19:05] <teddy-dbear> cookies are good anytime :-[
[19:08] <ssweeny> cookies are apparently a sometimes food
[19:20] <teddy-dbear> cookies are an anytime food :-D
[19:25] <ssweeny> that's what i thought
[19:53] <ChinnoDog> cookies++
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> I could use a nap
[20:02] <ssweeny> naps++
[20:02] <pleia2> naps++
[20:11] <teddy-dbear> cookies++
[20:11] <teddy-dbear> naps++
[20:12] <teddy-dbear> cookies then a nap :-D
[20:26] <ChinnoDog> so sleepy
[20:26]  * ChinnoDog slaps ChinnoDog around a bit with a large trout
[22:21] <ChinnoDog> What are you all up to this weekend?
[22:26] <rmg51> PACS on Sat.
[22:26] <rmg51> if the world doesn't end first
[22:28] <waltman> The world isn't ending until 6 PM, so you've got plenty of time to his PACS first.
[22:30] <rmg51> just in time for dinner
[22:32] <ChinnoDog> So..  I'm reading the wikipedia page on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_end_times_prediction
[22:41] <PennBot> Title: 2011 end times prediction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[22:43] <ChinnoDog> hehe. Rapture Relief Fund!
[22:55] <waltman> Wow, his argument for it being 7000 years after the flood is a bit dubious.
[23:24] <jedijf> @seen mutantturkey
[23:24] <PennBot> jedijf: mutantturkey was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 2 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 42 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <MutantTurkey> what can you do with the new 11.04? even less than the 8.10!


[21:58] <DomasoFan> good evening
[21:59] <SeaJay> Evening
[22:01] <DomasoFan> wonder if ubuntu once gets its accessibility back. currently ubuntu 13.10 seems still to have the same issues as ubuntu 13.04.


[02:34] <theShirbiny> GOOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!!!
[02:35] <pavlushka> Good Morning theShirbiny !
[09:23] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[09:23] <Kilos> hi sparda , first time here?
[09:23] <sparda> haha
[09:23] <sparda> no
[09:23] <Kilos> i forget nicks
[09:24] <Kilos> oh my
[09:24] <sparda> I was there yesterday
[09:24] <sparda> We even spoke
[09:24] <Kilos> did we chat
[09:24] <sparda> LOL
[09:24] <Kilos> oh my
[09:24] <sparda> yeah
[09:24] <Kilos> old age
[09:24] <sparda> oh my
[09:24] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <sparda> haha
[09:24] <Kilos> you must get to know all the other guys
[09:25] <Kilos> hi CraigZim i see they imported money
[09:25] <sparda> sure
[09:25] <Kilos> did you tell me where you are sparda ?
[09:26] <Kilos> hi acetakwas
[09:31] <CraigZim> tey did?
[09:31] <CraigZim> they
[09:32] <Kilos> on our news they said so
[09:32] <Kilos> imported millions
[09:32] <Kilos> all foreign money
[10:55] <acetakwas> Kilos::  hI
[10:55] <acetakwas> Very sorry for replying late
[11:24] <Kilos> not a problem acetakwas


[04:03] <Mirv> popey: ☻
[06:59] <mihir_> good morning :)
[06:59] <mihir_> oSoMoN: hey :)
[06:59] <oSoMoN> mihir_: good morning
[07:01] <mihir_> oSoMoN: some how I am unable to run gallery-app
[07:02] <oSoMoN> mihir_: which image are you running, on which device, and what’s happening when you try to launch it?
[07:02] <mihir_> oSoMoN: trying on desktop don't have device
[07:03] <oSoMoN> mihir_: on saucy? did you install a package, or are you compiling and running from trunk?
[07:04] <mihir_> oSoMoN: I am compiling from trunk , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/NewEventdetails/+merge/187489
[07:05] <mihir_> oSoMoN: can you help me with the MR review..
[07:05] <oSoMoN> mihir_: so it’s the calendar-app, not the gallery one, right?
[07:06] <mihir_> oSoMoN: yeah it is, i need to get some info from gallery app to be specific , ineed to use color that is being used in gallery app so was trying to run that..
[07:07] <mihir_> oSoMoN: I just sent you email if you get a time to look at it
[07:07] <oSoMoN> mihir_: will do in a moment
[07:08] <mihir_> oSoMoN:  no issues thank you :)
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon dholbach
[07:28] <dholbach> hi smartboyhw
[07:30] <oSoMoN> mihir_: the grey in the browser’s activity view Lina is mentioning is "#EEEEEE"
[07:31] <oSoMoN> mihir_: I don’t know what’s the one for the gallery view, I’m not really familiar with its code, I did a quick search through the code but I couldn’t find where it’s defined
[07:31] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: good morning
[07:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: morning
[07:31] <mihir_> oSoMoN: okay got it :) i did that quick search my  self too :| but couldn't find that's why i pinged you
[07:32] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/standard-emulators/+merge/187865 ?
[07:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'll be on it as i finish reading my email, if that's ok
[07:33] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: sure
[07:33] <mihir_> oSoMoN:  because i used warm grey and that looks wiered :( http://postimg.org/image/f4sy5gopf/
[07:33] <mihir_> oSoMoN: I am looking for this http://postimg.org/image/woil0q6kt/
[07:33] <oSoMoN> mihir_: indeed it looks too dark
[07:34] <oSoMoN> mihir_: not sure this is #eeeeee, but it will look closer
[07:34] <mihir_> lemme try :|
[08:12] <WebbyIT> hi dpm :)
[08:12] <WebbyIT> Ahh, it's not online
[08:12] <WebbyIT> he*
[08:23] <oSoMoN> om26er: hey, I’m getting the following error a lot on otto: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/456/testReport/junit/webbrowser_app.tests.test_tabs/TestTabs/test_switch_tabs_with_mouse_/ (for random tests), can you advise?
[08:24]  * om26er looks
[08:24] <om26er> oSoMoN, so I think its a problem with otto, other apps have seen that problem as well
[08:24] <om26er> francis tried to fix that probably in a MR
[08:24] <oSoMoN> om26er: that’s what I thought too
[08:25] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1232857
[08:25] <om26er> https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/transient-test-objects/+merge/188231
[08:25] <om26er> oSoMoN, ^
[08:32] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks for the link
[08:53] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you have some time for reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/more-robust-test-server/+merge/188019 ?
[08:53] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: note that once this is merged in the browser, this is a change we’ll want to port to the notes-app tests as well
[08:53] <smartboyhw> Heyas dpm, saw my mail?
[08:55] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: having a look. wouldn't mind more robust tests on notes too
[08:58] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: btw, remember how asac would rant about notes-app tests being flaky? it turns out it’s on nexus4 only, and I fixed an important source of flakiness on Friday (see rev. 186), but it’s still not fully reliable, so there’s more digging to do
[08:59] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: obviously this is tricky without owning a nexus4…
[09:01] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: when you have a moment please talk to om26er about those tests, he has a nexus4 so he can help
[09:01] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i already did and asked him to sync up with asac
[09:01] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: when was that?
[09:01] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: last week, wednesday
[09:02] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: or tuesday, not sure
[09:03] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: we (he) have a better understanding of the problem now, and asac is on holidays afaik, so a checkpoint today wouldn’t hurt
[09:03] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: on my list now
[09:10] <om26er> nerochiaro, also please remove the video recording button from the camera. I reported a bug for that.
[09:11] <dpm> smartboyhw, I did, thanks, but I haven't had the chance to reply yet
[09:11] <nerochiaro> om26er: you mean the button to switch between video and photo ? why ? has the video recording feature been removed from the feature set for release ?
[09:11] <smartboyhw> dpm, sure
[09:11] <om26er> nerochiaro, I would assume so. its not working and I am not sure it will.
[09:12] <om26er> better ask someone
[09:12] <om26er> hmm
[09:13] <nerochiaro> om26er: gusch is your man I think
[09:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: maybe you know something about this too ? ^
[09:13] <nerochiaro> om26er: what's the bug number ?
[09:15] <om26er> nerochiaro, bug 1232879
[09:15] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1232879
[09:16] <gusch> nerochiaro om26er no idea if there was a decision by design or pat, but that's UI, so I reassigned to nerochiaro
[09:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I think video recording is not on the feature list for 13.10 indeed, but I don’t know what’s been decided regarding the camera-app UI to address that
[09:17] <gusch> om26er: tests on jenkins are still unreliable :( https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-hono-picker-select-type-fix-content-store-transfer/+merge/187843
[09:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: gusch: om26er: I think the best course of action is to ask Bill in the standup today, then removing the button (and possibly any related code to avoid leaving dead code and useless tests) is easy to do
[09:17] <nerochiaro> if needed
[09:18] <om26er> nerochiaro, ok, makes sense
[09:18] <om26er> gusch, looking
[09:20] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: sounds like a plane
[09:20] <oSoMoN> -e
[09:46] <nik90|Office> zsombi: If you get some time today, can you reply to the email I cc to you regarding the alarms notification discussion involving charles, dpm, renato and thomas
[09:47] <nik90|Office> popey: what were your observations after the 2 day test regarding the qmlscene leaks?
[09:55] <zsombi> nik90|Office: q: do we have requirements for snoozing an alarm?
[10:20] <popey> nik90|Office: looking at it now..
[10:20] <nik90|Office> zsombi: no we haven't got designs for snoozing an alarm yet
[10:21] <nik90|Office> zsombi: but say we are assuming the most basic case which is snoozing an alarm using pop up notifications in the home screen
[10:21] <nik90|Office> zsombi: what would the necessary infrastructure implementations be required?
[10:22] <popey> nik90|Office: I tried running 3 apps on one phone and 3 different on the other, neither ended up being a problem
[10:22] <zsombi> nik90|Office: forget yet about that then. let's focus on what we need now. So the only thing you need is to get your app launched when the user wants to from the alarm notification, right?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> dpm, popey I found the question about chat clients in ubuntu-phone amusing, why didn't we have a chat app as a core app?
[10:23] <popey> which conversation?
[10:24] <smartboyhw> popey, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04340.html
[10:24] <nik90|Office> zsombi: (1) -> able to launch the clock app from the notifications (2) -> Create a notification when an alarm is triggered
[10:24] <smartboyhw> (And all the follow-ups)
[10:24] <zsombi> nik90|Office ok, good, thanks
[10:25] <nik90|Office> popey: hmm
[10:26] <nik90|Office> popey: I frequently get the situtation where the whole dash UI is laggy sometimes.
[10:26] <nik90|Office> popey: I will try next time to note down the conditions
[10:27] <popey> nik90|Office: yeah, if you could note exactly what's running at the time, maybe adb shell in and get a full process list
[10:27] <popey> or just "ubuntu-bug unity8" on the device should capture lots
[10:28] <nik90|Office> popey: will do
[10:28] <popey> smartboyhw: we could have had lots of other apps as core apps, would certainly be an interesting one to have next time
[10:28] <smartboyhw> popey, we can't have too many;P But a chat app seems extremely vital in a smartphone OS
[10:29] <popey> people say "this app is vital" too much
[10:29] <popey> I have heard that said about _every_ app
[10:29] <smartboyhw> popey, for me it's just chat clients
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Erm, even my Dad gave up hating WhatsApp and is now using it
[10:30] <popey> indeed, and for me it's <insert_valid_option_here> app
[10:30] <popey> heh
[10:31] <smartboyhw> popey, heh indeed:P
[10:42] <nik90|Office> smartboyhw: it is also a matter of finding contributors. Adding more apps isn't the issue, it is the task of development and maintaining it
[10:43] <nik90|Office> smartboyhw: just fyi, I think there are plans to add a email client as the core app which hasnt yet started development
[10:43] <nik90|Office> that is more important than chat app for instance
[10:44] <popey> also, we want other people to make apps ☻
[10:44] <popey> If someone else came along with a chat app I would be cock-a-hoop (as we say in England, but not very often)
[10:46] <nik90|Office> popey: that's a long word to indicate excited or trilled :P
[10:47]  * nik90|Office had to search online
[10:48] <WebbyIT> Hi dpm :)
[10:49] <dpm> nik90|Office, I'll see what I can bring to the discussion, but seeing zsombi's reply, I think renato or tedg are best suited to say what should we register as app identifier for the alarm
[10:49] <dpm> hi WebbyIT, how are you doing?
[10:50] <nik90|Office> dpm: +1,
[10:50] <WebbyIT> dpm, fine thanks, first day of university :) Did you enjoy your we?
[10:50] <dpm> WebbyIT, ah, I hope you've had a good start, I did enjoy my WE, and yourself? :)
[10:50] <nik90|Office> WebbyIT:  hi :) ... good  luck with University..first year?
[10:51] <WebbyIT> dpm: yes, all ok :) So, shall you help me with this branch? I didn't understand which branch tedg refers to
[10:51] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1231136/+merge/188002
[10:51]  * dpm looks
[10:52] <WebbyIT> nik90|Office: second year, but I changed university, so I'm half in first year and half in second year ;)
[10:52] <nik90|Office> WebbyIT: ;)
[10:53] <mihir_> WebbyIT: that's strange :P
[10:53] <dpm> WebbyIT, asked on #ubuntu-touch to find out, I don't know which branch he's referring to either
[10:54] <WebbyIT> dpm, ok thanks :)
[10:55] <WebbyIT> mihir_: yes, a bit :P
[11:06] <gusch> om26er: a small improvement for the gallery tests https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-atest-open-first-photo/+merge/188290
[11:08] <om26er> gusch, you could also objectName: "eventsViewImage" + index
[11:08] <om26er> that way you don't have to rely on index yourself
[11:08] <gusch> om26er: I had some troubles doing that a while ago - so I used it this way
[11:09] <om26er> gusch, ok, I'll approve then.
[11:09] <gusch> om26er: and it's faster in app execution ;)
[11:16] <om26er> oSoMoN, twitter looks "eww" can you please do some browser string magic for it :)
[11:16] <om26er> same for gmail
[11:16] <om26er> they are not loading any CSS
[11:18] <smartboyhw> nik90|Office, oh, just realized;(\
[11:18] <om26er> jppiiroinen, Hi! I added something to the UIToolkit so that people don't have to unlock the screen by hand. would you review it ?
[11:18] <om26er> https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/screen_unlock/+merge/188289
[11:18] <om26er> "The unlocker is here baby"
[11:19] <jppiiroinen> om26er: you might want to ask someone else from sdk team :) ..but that is kewl feature!
[11:23] <oSoMoN> om26er: gmail issue is fixed in trunk, not released yet
[11:23] <oSoMoN> om26er: for twitter, can you please file a bug?
[11:25] <om26er> oSoMoN, ok,, will do. I applied changes from that guy and they did work (bug 1227941)
[11:25] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1227941
[11:33] <gusch> om26er: I pushed 2 updates, but I have no idea how to fix the issues on otto
[11:34] <om26er> gusch, I'll  pursue that with fginther today, they don't look normal failures to me. probably if I had an otto like environment I could work on it then
[11:34] <gusch> om26er: thx
[11:35] <gusch> om26er: if they can't be fixed soon, I'd suggest to disable otto for jenkins
[11:35] <oSoMoN> om26er: this issue with otto needs to be fixed urgently (or we need to disable otto for the ci jobs), as it prevents any code from landing
[11:37] <om26er> oSoMoN, yes definitely. I think we should disable it for now and enable it right after 13.10 release so that we don't block anything
[11:37] <om26er> will take that to fginther
[11:38] <oSoMoN> thanks
[11:45] <om26er> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/webbrowser-app/toolkit_pointing_device/+merge/188308
[11:50] <oSoMoN> om26er: there are pyflakes warnings (unused import statements)
[11:50] <oSoMoN> om26er: otherwise it looks good to me
[11:52] <om26er> oSoMoN, thanks for the review. pushed the fix.
[11:53] <om26er> gusch, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/gallery-app/pointing_device/+merge/188311
[11:55] <gusch> om26er: is that for otto?
[11:55] <om26er> gusch, no, its unrelated to that.
[12:20] <smartboyhw> dpm, of course I can wait, but I wonder how many address will you have to fill in -.-
[12:21] <dpm> smartboyhw, cool, thanks. We've had about 200 folks interested in participating
[12:32] <mihir_> oSoMoN: ping !!
[12:38] <gusch> tmoenicke: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/ubuntu-keyboard/keyboard-1-2-key-size/+merge/188321
[12:40] <smartboyhw> dpm, wow, that makes me feel honoured:P
[12:40] <dpm> :)
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Need to work harder than;)
[12:40] <dpm> hahaha
[13:09] <oSoMoN> mihir__: pong
[13:17] <mihir__> oSoMoN: do you have any idea if kunal has implemented the QtOragnizor completely , or still it is in progress ?
[13:20] <oSoMoN> mihir__: there is a pending MR awaiting review, I believe the implementation is complete, but I cannot tell for sure, I haven’t looked at it yet
[13:21] <mihir__> oSoMoN: okay no issues :)
[13:23] <tmoenicke> gusch: done, thx
[13:34] <popey> dpm: the design hangout is now every other week. If you can think of a non-design one to fit in the alternate weeks, that might be good, to use that slot.
[13:35] <dpm> popey, which design hangout is now every other week?
[13:35] <popey> heh
[13:36] <popey> we have been doing a hangout on air, design clinic
[13:36] <dpm> ah, sorry, I thought you meant core apps design hangouts
[13:36] <popey> people submit their apps for review, but we're not getting enough to make weekly worthwhile.
[13:36] <popey> no ☻
[13:36] <popey> sorry, unclear.
[13:36] <dpm> yeah, I know that those are
[13:37] <dpm> ok, will try to think of something
[14:23] <dpm> balloons, do you know the status of those? http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/blocked.html
[14:23] <dpm> Are they being worked on?
[14:23] <dpm> In particular for the calendar
[14:23] <dpm> popey, mhall119_ ^
[14:23] <balloons> dpm, if it's blocked and it's a test, it means we are waiting
[14:23] <balloons> dpm, yes the calendar views can be unblocked, they are possible to write now
[14:23] <dpm> balloons, we've landed nearly all designs except some event views
[14:24] <balloons> let me update it
[14:24] <dpm> thanks balloons :)
[14:46] <rottinrob> good morning
[14:47] <rottinrob> is there anyone logged in that could lend me some assistance? I'm having difficulties finding QtCreator files
[15:11] <JoeyChan> Hi, fginther & balloons, begging help over here
[15:12] <balloons> JoeyChan, ohh, what's up?
[15:12] <JoeyChan> Could u guys take a look at this merge,   https://code.launchpad.net/~qqworini/ubuntu-rssreader-app/optimization-0/+merge/188259
[15:12] <JoeyChan> tests failed
[15:15] <balloons> JoeyChan, the tests are failing due to the ubuntu sdk bug with next not appearing right?
[15:15]  * balloons looks
[15:15] <balloons> JoeyChan, ohh, no that is something else
[15:15] <JoeyChan> bottom toolbar bug ?
[15:16] <balloons> JoeyChan, I sent a rebuild quickly: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4470/music-app-autopilot/439811/. It appears like the tests didn't run at all
[15:17] <smartboyhw> dpm, what's the currently most popular meeting date/time?
[15:17] <JoeyChan> oh..
[15:24] <JoeyChan> balloons,  failed again  :(
[15:25] <balloons> JoeyChan, ok let me confirm the tests are fine
[15:27]  * balloons tries on device as well
[15:30] <gusch> om26er_ fginther what's the status of otto ?
[15:31] <fginther> gusch, fighting through some networking issues at the moment
[15:32] <fginther> gusch, once that's out of the way, I'm going to refire a few tests. there was a potential issue in the autopilot that was used, that has been backed out now
[15:32] <balloons> JoeyChan, ugh, failed with toolbar issues on the device, hmm
[15:32] <fginther> gusch, if that doesn't resolve the issue, then it's time to disable otto for a bit
[15:32] <gusch> fginther: ok - thx
[15:32] <balloons> fginther, is jenkins for core app autopilot tests doing ok?
[15:33] <JoeyChan> balloons,  oh..  which part ? add feed or ?
[15:33] <balloons> add feed, yes
[15:35] <fginther> balloons, looks to be ok
[15:35] <balloons> fginther, ok, I wonder what the deal with this is: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/563
[15:36] <JoeyChan> balloons    ok .. thanks
[15:38] <om26er_> balloons, app crashed
[15:39] <fginther> om26er_, thanks om26er_
[15:40] <balloons> om26er_, indeed, it's not running the tests.. Just weird.. I should try running trunk
[15:46] <tmoenicke> gusch: do you have time to look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-moenicke/ubuntu-keyboard/ubuntu-keyboard-orientation-2/+merge/188270
[15:49] <gusch> tmoenicke: looking at it
[15:52] <balloons> fginther, I tried running trunk and this looks weird too: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/573/console
[15:58] <om26er_> fginther, was that random ?
[15:58] <fginther> balloons, you left off the test_suite parameter
[15:59] <balloons> fginther, :-) Trying to do too many things at once
[16:09] <balloons> JoeyChan, I updated the MP with my notes. Basically I can confirm the test regression
[16:20] <JoeyChan> balloons   ok , thanks
[16:21] <balloons> JoeyChan, your welcome. Are you able to reproduce locally?
[16:21] <balloons> *you are welcome
[16:21] <JoeyChan> balloons   in device ?
[16:21] <balloons> JoeyChan, anywhere.. device or not, so you can debug and fix it
[16:22] <JoeyChan> balloons  everything works well both in desktop and device ...
[16:23] <balloons> JoeyChan, for you? what device?
[16:23] <balloons> what versoin?
[16:23] <JoeyChan> balloons  my nexus 4 with 20130927
[16:24] <JoeyChan> balloons   should I reflash with latest ?
[16:25] <balloons> JoeyChan, are you the system images?
[16:25] <balloons> I tried with 9/27 and the latest from today
[16:25] <balloons> both fail :-(
[16:25] <JoeyChan> balloons   oh... that's wired..
[16:26] <JoeyChan> balloons  I reflash it with    phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[16:26] <JoeyChan> balloons  only this command works in my laptop
[16:27] <balloons> JoeyChan, ahh.. you need to use phablet-flash ubuntu-system
[16:27] <balloons> JoeyChan, what does adb shell cat /etc/media-info say?
[16:28] <balloons> JoeyChan, I have Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20130929), which is the latest
[16:28] <JoeyChan> pls wait
[16:28] <JoeyChan> Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20130925.2)
[16:30] <balloons> anyways JoeyChan the ubuntu-system image is the new images, and it's what development is happening on. The old cdimages aren't be used anymore. The ubuntu system ones let you OTA
[16:30] <fginther> gusch, the initial rerun of http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/gallery-app-ci/529 on otto + older autopilot passed. I'm going to try some more.
[16:30] <fginther> gusch, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/486/ is the rerun
[16:30] <JoeyChan> balloons      downloading...  hope it will not fail
[16:31] <balloons> JoeyChan, I trust that makes sense
[16:31] <gusch> fginther: you should try to get this merges first https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-atest-open-first-photo/+merge/188290
[16:32] <fginther> gusch, that's the one I just retriggered
[16:33] <gusch> :)
[16:37] <om26er_> oSoMoN, bug 1233270
[16:38] <om26er_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1233270
[16:39] <oSoMoN> om26er_: thanks, I’ll look into it tomorrow
[16:39] <daker> om26er_: attaching a screenshot will help in debugging
[16:40] <om26er_> daker, I tried that but seems screenshots don't work under Mir :/
[16:40] <om26er_> screencap is SurfaceFlinger based
[16:40] <om26er_> rather relies on
[16:40] <daker> om26er_: ok no worries
[16:47] <GuidoPallemans> is there a default wait-animation?
[16:48] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, do you mean like a spinner or progress bar?
[16:48] <GuidoPallemans> something to show when there isn't a set waiting-period, but moves so the user has something to look at
[16:50] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: ?
[16:51] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, try taking a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/278606/how-can-i-create-an-activity-indicator-in-ubuntu-touch
[16:51] <GuidoPallemans> just found it the instant you posted
[16:51] <GuidoPallemans> thanks!
[16:51] <GuidoPallemans> btw, when will the showdown winners be announced? I heard it was today
[16:52] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, you're welcome.
[16:52] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, The rules have been updated to say today. I'm hoping they're announced soon :)
[16:58] <JoeyChan> balloons     I reflash with 0929,    but I still can see the bottom toolbar... funny
[17:07] <narekb> greetings everyone, you guys got news on the Evernote app team
[17:07] <narekb> ?
[17:08] <balloons> JoeyChan, it works for you then on the same build as me?
[17:09] <balloons> JoeyChan, how are you running it?
[17:12] <balloons> iBelieve, can you have a quick look at https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/add-click-testing-support/+merge/188082?
[17:13] <iBelieve> balloons, sure
[17:14] <iBelieve> balloons, done
[17:14] <balloons> :-)
[17:43] <mrqtros> Hi folks!
[17:43] <mrqtros> Does someone know how to change dns settings on my Ubuntu Phone device? :)
[17:45] <balloons> mrqtros, you can ssh or shell in and set it that way
[17:46] <balloons> or use the onboard terminal
[17:46] <balloons> otherwise I don't know of a UI way to do it
[17:46] <mrqtros> balloons hello :) Do you mean that I should use standard linux terminal commands? :)
[17:47] <balloons> mrqtros, yes ;-)
[17:48] <balloons> edit the /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf as desired
[17:51] <mrqtros> balloons which editor is available on Ubuntu Phone? :)
[17:51] <popey> vi / nano
[17:51] <popey> vim in fact
[17:52] <narekb> folks, will Ubuntu Touch support widgets?
[17:52] <balloons> oO
[17:52] <narekb> (widgets like in Android)
[17:53] <mrqtros> popey can you please say default pass for sudo? :)
[17:53] <mrqtros> Lol I am totally  powerless :D
[17:54] <popey> phablet
[17:54] <balloons> mrqtros, phablet/phablet is default user/pass
[18:03] <clepto> nik90, hello :)
[18:03] <mrqtros> balloons seems that terminal app can't edit this files ...
[18:03] <balloons> mrqtros, you in r/o mode?
[18:03] <balloons> mrqtros, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Switch_from_RO_to_RW
[18:07] <popey> mrqtros: you can...
[18:07] <nik90> clepto: hi :)
[18:07] <popey> mrqtros: can you edit /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/active_ws_connection.conf  ?
[18:07] <popey> there's a dns entry in the [ipv4] stanza
[18:10] <clepto> nik90, how are you?
[18:11] <nik90> clepto: good, and yourself?
[18:11] <nik90> clepto: busy with work and getting clock app ready for release
[18:11] <nik90> popey: btw I can make it tomorrow's meeting. Is it confirmed?
[18:11] <clepto> nik90, fine!
[18:12] <clepto> nik90, what about the contest? when the result will be announced?
[18:12] <iBelieve> clepto, see this post by dpm: https://plus.google.com/115054251212417394181/posts/J78arpC5DhY
[18:13] <nik90> iBelieve: thnx
[18:13] <iBelieve> clepto, the results will be announced tomorrow
[18:13] <nik90> clepto:  ^^
[18:13] <clepto> iBelieve, nik90 thanks!
[18:13] <clepto> crossed fingers :D
[18:14] <iBelieve> nik90, clepto you're welcome
[18:14] <dpm> clepto, yep, tomorrow, we needed to get some Canvas apps set up for running on the desktop to be judged, due to a bug with Canvas not working on phones atm, and to sort out a couple of other issues
[18:15] <clepto> dpm, thanks for your help during the contest!
[18:15] <dpm> np, thanks for the effort in creating your app!
[18:37] <mrqtros> popey balloons it works! :) Perfect :)
[18:39] <balloons> mrqtros, :-)
[18:51] <mrqtros> Tested Ubuntu Phone first time now - seems that there are a lot of things must be fixed and implemented :)
[18:58] <randomcpp> will winners be announced tday or tomorrow?
[19:04] <iBelieve> randomcpp, tomorrow
[19:04] <randomcpp> iBelieve, thank you :)
[19:04] <iBelieve> randomcpp, see this post by dpm: https://plus.google.com/115054251212417394181/posts/J78arpC5DhY
[19:04] <randomcpp> thx :D
[19:30] <mrqtros> Guys, how can I install click via adb? :)
[19:44] <mrqtros> popey ping
[19:45] <popey> mrqtros: pong
[19:45] <mrqtros> popey how can I install click package via adb? :)
[19:45] <popey> sudo -i -u phablet -H
[19:45] <popey> pkcon install-local foo.click
[19:46] <mrqtros> popey when I try to install it from store nothing happens, 0% still already 5 mins :)
[19:48] <beuno> right
[19:48] <beuno> so we're having some server issues at the moment
[19:48] <beuno> sorry about that
[19:55] <mrqtros> popey thanks! :)
[19:58] <popey> beuno: did you see mentioned that one developer didn't get our email notifications from the store when we left comments?
[19:59] <beuno> popey, yes, we're currently working on fixing that, should be deployed this week
[19:59] <popey> thanks
[20:01] <beuno> the store will be wonky for a little bit while we ride out the storm in this cloud
[20:30] <mrqtros> popey ping
[20:33] <popey> mrqtros: pong
[20:34] <mrqtros> popey I am installed app successfully, but it can't start, how can I see console output or something like that? :)
[20:35] <popey> sure...
[20:35] <popey> adb shell
[20:35] <popey> sudo -i -u phablet -H
[20:36] <popey> start application APP_ID=[application]
[20:37] <popey> where [application] is the name of the app from the .desktop file name
[20:37] <popey> without .desktop
[20:37] <mrqtros> > pkcon install-local foo.click
[20:38] <mrqtros> sorry
[20:38] <mrqtros> sec
[20:38] <mrqtros> > application start/running, process 5801
[20:38] <mrqtros> Forgot that console doesn't support ctrl+c :)
[20:39] <popey> ~/.cache/upstart/application-click-*
[20:39] <popey> thats where the logs are
[20:40] <mrqtros> popey thx, trying :)
[20:42] <mrqtros> popey reboot helps, no need for logs :)
[20:42] <mrqtros> But thanks :)
[21:05] <mhall119> daker: is there a way to bookmark rad.io channels in your app?
[21:06] <daker> mhall119: rightnow no, it will be and i'll use U1DB
[21:06] <mhall119> cool
[21:06] <mhall119> this is a great app, BTW, got my news channel streaming live
[21:06] <daker> mhall119: does the "Local Radio" tab works for you ?
[21:07] <daker> mhall119: \m/
[21:07] <mhall119> daker: it shows "United States" as the listview header, but nothing else
[21:07] <daker> mhall119: that this means i'll win a price :)
[21:07] <mhall119> I'm not a judge :)
[21:08] <daker> ok
[21:08] <daker> mhall119: ok i'll investigate
[21:09] <daker> mhall119: FYI it does store the last played station if you close/open the app
[21:09] <daker> mhall119: close the app, the reopen it and click play it will play the last one
[21:10] <mhall119> sweet!
[21:15] <daker> mhall119: a fix has been deployed, can you try again
[21:16] <daker> close/open the app
[21:16] <mhall119> daker: was it published in the store already?
[21:16] <daker> daker: no :)
[21:16] <daker> i have fixed the backend
[21:17] <mhall119> oh, where does the backend live?
[21:17] <daker> https://rad-io.herokuapp.com/api/nearby/?q=United%20States
[21:17] <mhall119> cool, yeah it lists channels now
[21:18] <daker> \m/


[13:18] <LeeAdamo> hallo everybody
[13:19] <LeeAdamo> I'm first-time-user
[13:19] <LeeAdamo> So sorry if I mady something wrong
[13:19] <LeeAdamo> mady=make
[14:39] <NintendoGuy0> Hey, guys
[14:39] <NintendoGuy0> Whats the deal with thinkpads?
[14:40] <NintendoGuy0> Are they good for gaming or do they have a specific purpose?
[16:08] <NintendoGuy0> So yeah, guys?
[16:08] <NintendoGuy0> What are thinkpads like?
[16:50] <Shadeslayer> hey i have a problem with my laptops function hot keys(XPS M1530,Kubuntu 8.10) i was wondering if a patch would be released with Jaunty and/or for Ibex


[12:42] <bac> jujugui: just noticed staging.jujucharms.com is down.  looking into it.
[12:42] <gary_poster> thanks bac
[12:42] <gary_poster> frankban, may be a hair late for call, but will try not to be.
[12:43] <frankban> gary_poster: ack no problem
[12:43] <gary_poster> thx
[12:54] <bac> jujugui: staging was in a hook config-changed error.  re-running the hook cleared it up.  can't explain.
[12:54] <benji> odd
[12:59] <frankban> bac: do we have hook logs?
[12:59] <bac> frankban: i'll look
[13:00] <frankban> bac: thanks
[13:08] <gary_poster> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6453180/
[13:37] <benji> marcoceppi: I'm sure you're busy with UDS again, but if you get a few minutes I'd like to have that chat
[13:56] <marcoceppi> benji: we can do it during lunchtime at UDS
[13:57] <benji> marcoceppi: cool, ping me when you're ready
[14:01] <benji> jcsackett: did your charmworld deployment happen yesterday?
[14:02] <rick_h_> benji: I'll have to try to get out out today to get the download counts into the api for the gui branch I've got.
[14:12] <rick_h_> luca__: ping around? or antdillon
[14:12] <antdillon> rick_h_, Hey, hows things?
[14:13] <rick_h_> antdillon: party party. I'm adding the download counts to the bundle token/details and wanted to make sure I'm just adding a 3rd row of metadata and copying the wording from charms "Deployed X times"
[14:14] <antdillon> rick_h_, I'd love to say yes but havnt seen the design for a while. I chase down Luca and get back to ya
[14:14] <rick_h_> antdillon: thanks, appreciate it.
[14:15] <antdillon> rick_h_, Are charm names always all lowercase?
[14:16] <rick_h_> antdillon: hmm, no, nothing enforcing it I can think of
[14:19] <hatch> we should
[14:19] <hatch> :)
[14:20] <luca__> rick_h_: bundle token is is meant to show "X services | X units"
[14:20] <luca__> rick_h_: as seen here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B7XG_QBXNwY1NFRjWW1MQkNkVWs/edit
[14:20] <luca__> rick_h_: and so are bundle details
[14:20] <luca__> rick_h_: as seen here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B7XG_QBXNwY1R0Z4YzVXYVlORVU/edit
[14:21] <rick_h_> luca__: right, but we've added the new ability to track downloads of bundles, which we could not do before
[14:21] <rick_h_> luca__: so I'm wondering where to stick it
[14:21] <luca__> rick_h_: interesting
[14:22] <rick_h_> bac: ping, I'm also having issues getting the counts to work in search. I get 0's even though when I hit the bundle directly I get a download count.
[14:22] <luca__> rick_h_: so for now put "X services | X units | Deployed X times on the details only
[14:22] <rick_h_> bac: nvm, looking a tthe wrong numbers
[14:22] <luca__> rick_h_: argh, I'm not sure where to put it
[14:23] <rick_h_> luca__: see, why ping you guys :)
[14:23] <bac> rick_h_: ok
[14:23] <luca__> rick_h_: I might get Spencer to mock it up quickly
[14:23] <luca__> rick_h_: is that ok?
[14:23] <rick_h_> luca__: yep, not a problem. Thanks
[14:30] <jcsackett> benji: yeah, we deployed through r464.
[14:30] <benji> cool, thanks
[14:35] <hatch> -19C feels like -28C
[14:36] <hatch> it's days like this that I'm glad I don't have to drive to work
[14:37] <benji> rick_h_: have you worked on the charm store any?
[14:38] <rick_h_> benji: no, I found the code once when I was trying to figure out where it went but never messed with it.
[14:38] <rick_h_> benji: my understanding is that it's hazmat's baby and he talked about doing a bunch with it at last sprint
[14:38] <benji> yeah
[14:42] <hatch> gary_poster: when you have a moment I think I have finally found a promise lib that checks all of the boxes https://github.com/petkaantonov/bluebird
[14:42] <frankban> hatch: http://imgur.com/HpgCyIQ
[14:42] <hatch> lol wow that would suck - the worst I've ever had is up to the windows
[14:45] <rick_h_> benji: looks nice
[14:46] <benji> rick_h_: I know I do... wait, what?
[14:46] <rick_h_> benji: :) your link
[14:47] <benji> rick_h_: which link is that?
[14:47] <rick_h_> oh sorry, that was hatch that linked it
[14:47] <rick_h_> doh
[14:47] <rick_h_> reading irc fail today
[14:47] <hatch> lol
[14:47] <hatch> rick_h_: you read the promise stuff?
[14:47] <rick_h_> well I'm not going to give hatch credit
[14:47] <hatch> haha
[14:47] <rick_h_> hatch: went through the readme
[14:48] <hatch> I didnt' expect much beyond "it's a promise, it sucks" from you :P
[14:48] <rick_h_> hatch: I've been burned by fire too many times, but it says it won't hurt me
[14:48] <rick_h_> just don't trust it :P
[14:48] <hatch> don't worry, it has candy
[14:48] <hatch> it won't hurt you
[14:48] <rick_h_> I don't believe
[14:49] <hatch> the cake is a lie
[14:50] <gary_poster> hatch, cool, will look soon
[15:00] <gary_poster> hey luca__ you want me in the meeting, or just watching & on irc?
[15:01] <luca__> gary_poster: come on the meeting
[15:01] <luca__> gary_poster: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1TDkZ5Sm76QEbpNKR5wPOcqyY-D6xu6wqfM-6qwdzULc/edit#slide=id.g7adc252f_0_33
[15:01] <gary_poster> great luca__ will do
[15:02] <luca__> gary_poster: what do you think
[15:02] <luca__> gary_poster: ?
[15:03] <gary_poster> luca__, amazing!  a lot of effort and looks great
[15:03] <luca__> gary_poster: join us in the hangout and speak out the dev effort
[15:03] <luca__> about^
[15:04] <luca__> gary_poster: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjj966m9ee4cgq98undnp0c?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[15:11] <hatch> rick_h_: do you need a review?
[15:12] <rick_h_> hatch: not yet thanks though
[15:12] <hatch> OH KAY!
[15:17] <hatch> rick_h_: that's one heck of a diff lol
[15:17] <hatch> ~2400 haah
[15:17] <rick_h_> hatch: it's all one test/data/json file
[15:17] <rick_h_> :P
[15:17] <rick_h_> it's a tiny branch
[15:17] <hatch> oh lol I didn't open it
[15:19] <hatch> are we going to be pushing the standup because of vuds ?
[15:19] <rick_h_> yesterday he didn't say so, but might be a strange/light standup
[15:22] <hatch> yeah I'd be ok with pushing it an hour
[15:29] <gary_poster> brb
[15:29] <hatch> I gota step out and help boost a neighbours car, will be back in 10
[15:29] <bac> jujugui: review please https://codereview.appspot.com/29960045
[15:29] <benji> bac: I'll take a look.
[15:29] <hatch> bac: I can when I get back
[15:29] <hatch> ok cool
[15:29] <hatch> :)
[15:29] <benji> heh
[15:29] <bac> how does one boost a car?
[15:30] <rick_h_> bac: jumper cables?
[15:30] <bac> no, those are for jumping a car.  does he have booster cables
[15:30]  * benji was thinking "boost" as in "steal"
[15:30] <rick_h_> "can you give me a boost"
[15:30] <bac> hell, he could be using a jack for all i know
[15:31] <rick_h_> I guess I've heard it said that way
[15:31] <bac> boost it up so i can get the tyre off
[15:31] <rick_h_> hah
[15:31] <rick_h_> yea, I mean we've all seen gone in 60 seconds and boost if the #1 word from the movie I think
[15:31] <rick_h_> but guess I've heard it both ways
[15:32] <bac> well, i haven't quite seen that yet.  perhaps after my smokey and the bandit marathon.
[15:32] <rick_h_> what?! well now you've got a task this weekend.
[15:32] <benji> http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/31/us/new-york-los-angeles-cannonball-speed-record/
[15:32] <rick_h_> the remake isn't bad, little cheesy in places but the car scenes and mic'd well
[15:35] <antdillon> rick_h_, Hey got a sec?
[15:35] <rick_h_> antdillon: sure thing
[15:35] <antdillon> rick_h_, Is https://manage.jujucharms.com/api/3/search/interesting down? How long for?
[15:36] <antdillon> Just started using it for testing lol
[15:36] <rick_h_> antdillon: oh hmm, interesting
[15:37] <rick_h_> antdillon: I did request a upgrade but it hasn't happened yet that I know. Looking into it
[15:37] <antdillon> rick_h_, Awesome thanks
[15:38] <rick_h_> antdillon: looks like the upgrade is in progress and things are going boom atm. Will update you when I know more
[15:38] <antdillon> rick_h_, Awesome thanks
[15:41] <jcastro> gary_poster, bundle workflows in ~20
[15:42] <gary_poster> jcastro, ack thx.
[15:42] <hatch> back
[15:43] <bac> gary_poster: are we moving our standup for the uds session?
[15:43] <hatch> bac: rick_h_ benji to 'boost' is to 'jump start' a car :)
[15:43] <rick_h_> jujugui heads up the mjc deploy went boom and so the api and such are not returning atm. Working with webops
[15:44] <bac> uh oh.  let me know if i can help rick_h_
[15:44] <gary_poster> rick_h_, urg and thank you
[15:44] <gary_poster> bac, I was going to suggest that we have standup without me
[15:44] <hatch> I'd like to watch the vuds
[15:44] <gary_poster> ok
[15:44] <gary_poster> then
[15:45] <hatch> standup as soon as it's done?
[15:45] <gary_poster> jujugui want to move standup to one hour later?
[15:45] <rick_h_> bac: did you have a migration or anything that hit ES in your branch?
[15:45] <gary_poster> any objections?
[15:45] <bac> rick_h_: no siree
[15:45] <hatch> sure - the chrome dev summit also starts in 1:45
[15:46] <rick_h_> bac: k, didn't think so but ES seems up and dead and can't figure out why. The deploy shouldn't have touched it that I can tell
[15:46] <gary_poster> hopefully our standup won't take more than 30 min ;-)
[15:46] <hatch> haha i'd hope :)
[15:46] <bac> gary_poster: let's just go around here.  nothing from me.  :)
[15:46] <hatch> learnt some interesting stuff with it in the background yesterday
[15:46] <gary_poster> heh
[15:47] <gary_poster> would like to have call actually
[15:47] <bac> ok, i'll send my people out for chicken
[15:51] <gary_poster> bac, I owe you one for yesterday.  If you want to bow out for today's call np.
[15:53] <hatch> the link in the calendar wasn't working for me
[15:53] <hatch> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22004/t-cloud-juju-bundle-workflows/ this one works
[15:56] <bac> gary_poster: thanks, but i'm eating now.  not a problem.  i didn't need a big plate of fried chicken and plantains after all.
[15:56] <gary_poster> ok, still owe you then ;-)
[15:57] <rick_h_> adeuring: can you join #webops please. ES on mjc went boom and I think it's a matter of marking an unassinged shard back to assignment. I'm looking for people that have messed with ES to help get it back up please?
[15:58] <adeuring> rick_h_: ack
[16:35] <Makyo> jujugui snow is throwing a wrench in plans, can someone adopt lp:~makyo/juju-quickstart/ensure-juju-lxc to address frankban's concerns?
[16:35] <bac> rick_h_: who requested the mjc deploy?
[16:36] <hatch> Makyo: just submit it with adopt?
[16:36] <Makyo> hatch, with concerns addressed - that's the part I won't have time for.
[16:36] <bac> Makyo: if there are changes to be made i can handle it this afternoon
[16:36] <Makyo> bac, thank you
[16:37] <bac> Makyo: this is for the card "Install repo and juju" ?
[16:37] <Makyo> bac, yes
[16:37] <bac> cool.
[16:38] <jcastro> gary_poster, for the summary for UDS, what do you consider the top 3 things your team is working on for this cycle?
[16:39] <bac> benji: are you looking at my review?
[16:39] <benji> bac: I'm trying to QA and having issues (with Juju itself I think)
[16:39] <bac> oh, ok.
[16:39] <bac> that QA is tiresome
[16:39] <gary_poster> jcastro, (1) not clear yet, unfortunately; and (2) it may not be public once it is.
[16:39] <benji> bac: how long does the gui take to come up after the juju set juju-gui "juju-gui-source=lp:~bac/juju-gui/fix-dnd-bundles-wrt-id" command?
[16:40] <bac> oh, a bit
[16:40] <bac> a few minutes.  not crazy slow
[16:40] <jcastro> gary_poster, ok, so I can just say "continuing Juju GUI improvements"
[16:40] <gary_poster> jcastro, +1
[16:42] <rick_h_> antdillon: it's up, don't know for how long and don't know why, but it's working atm
[16:42] <rick_h_> jujugui mjc is up and running, it's a confusing mess, but it's alive
[16:42] <bac> thanks rick_h_
[16:42] <hatch> rick_h_: anything we can do to fix this? It seems to happen more often than we'd like :)
[16:42] <gary_poster> rick_h_, good news at least.  thank you.
[16:43] <rick_h_> will bring up on standup
[16:43] <hatch> for the record I know absolutely nothing about how it's setup :D
[16:43] <gary_poster> Pretty sure it is hatch's fault :-P
[16:43] <bac> hatch: the best approach is to have a pre-deploy environment similar to production in prodstack
[16:44] <hatch> gary_poster: probably! They should have written it in javascript
[16:44] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:44] <hatch> for some reason it keeps complaining about the {} I put in there
[16:44] <hatch> :P
[16:44] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:46] <hatch> ignoring the content of the article.....this plane is bonkers huge http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/11/dreamlifter-wrong-airport/?cid=co14766074
[16:48] <bac> NPR claims they are going to try to take off at 13:00 ET
[16:48] <hatch> I love that 'try' I am going to guess they only get a single chance at this
[16:48] <hatch> it's not like they can abort 3/4 of the way down
[16:49] <hatch> hopefully they can find a nice headwind
[16:49] <hatch> to help lift that thing
[16:49] <bac> hatch: i saw the antonov a few years ago: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=77711790@N00&q=antonov  it is a bigger plane but the dreamlifter has large cargo volume
[16:49] <bac> s/large/larger/
[16:50] <hatch> jeesh
[16:51] <hatch> I saw one of those double decker planes nosed in at the airport once....standing at the window in the terminal and we still didn't even come up to the middle of the nose
[16:51] <hatch> I can't even imagine the amount of power those engines need to generate to move that thing
[16:52] <hatch> this one http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Airbus_A380_Paris_Air_Show.jpg
[16:57] <hatch> jujugui call in 3
[16:57] <gary_poster> ah, thank you
[16:57] <hatch> hah I forgot too
[16:57] <benji> bac: QA didn't go well (the count didn't increment)
[16:58] <bac> benji: did you give it some delay?
[16:59] <benji> bac: (as in between the deploy and the 'juju set juju-gui "charmworld-url=http://staging.jujucharms.com"') yep
[17:00] <bac> benji: no, as it, check the counts again now
[17:00] <bac> s/it/in/
[17:01] <benji> bac: it incremented!
[17:01] <benji> yay
[17:01] <bac> benji: i really don't understand the lag
[17:01] <benji> is there a cache in front of the app?
[17:01] <benji> that is odd
[17:01] <bac> probs
[17:03] <rick_h_> yea, there's apache and squid in front
[17:15] <hatch> when is your turkey day?
[17:15] <rick_h_> thurs
[17:15] <rick_h_> of next week
[17:15] <hatch> ahh ok
[17:16] <bac> hey frankban one of our italian friends gave us one of these (early) for christmas.  do you eat them?  any good?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panettone
[17:17] <hatch> looks like a Babka bread
[17:17] <hatch> (Ukranian)
[17:18] <frankban> bac: it depends, some of those are very good, others are just like eating paper... yeah it's a very typical christmas sweet in italy
[17:18] <hatch> probably the same :) if so, then it should be sort of a sweet bread
[17:19] <gary_poster> oh frankban you want to talk?  sorry
[17:19] <gary_poster> I was about to head out
[17:19] <frankban> hatch: yes, usually with raisin and candy
[17:19] <frankban> gary_poster: reading the diff, quick call in 5 minutes?
[17:20] <gary_poster> frankban, going to lunch w/ wife.  will see if you are back when I return
[17:20] <bac> jujugui: the branch i'm landing now for juju-gui has some retry logic to handle the lbox-404 problem.  let me know if you see it again.
[17:20] <gary_poster> if not email?
[17:20] <frankban> gary_poster: sounds good
[17:20] <gary_poster> ok ty
[17:20] <bac> btw, lbox-404 has a new album coming out soon
[17:20] <hatch> haha
[18:14] <rick_h_> jujugui can I get a review please? https://codereview.appspot.com/30210044/
[18:14] <hatch> sure
[18:14] <rick_h_> claiming small review since 99% of the changes are the test data
[18:18]  * hatch waits for the 3 or so more patch sets rick_h_ will commit before he is done his review :P
[18:18] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[18:18] <hatch> haha
[18:19] <rick_h_> it's why you don't review until i ask. I like to push up and self-review and usually find something to fix
[18:19] <hatch> ahh
[18:19] <hatch> I usually try to `bzr diff --old ../../trunk | vim -` before I propose
[18:19] <hatch> saves me from doing the huge lbox delay multiple times
[18:20] <rick_h_> I like the context change and verification that lbox is happy
[18:20] <bac> frankban: did you QA matthew's branch?
[18:20] <rick_h_> well, lbox is slow, but 2:32 for the last run
[18:20] <frankban> bac: no, I was waiting for the fixes
[18:20] <rick_h_> so not enough to put off getting the nice diff/review space
[18:22] <rick_h_> hatch: http://nuclearsquid.com/writings/reporttime-in-zsh/ :)
[18:22] <hatch> oh boy I wish
[18:22] <hatch> I'm probably closer to 4m
[18:23] <hatch> on 4m <---- this side of the 4m :D
[18:31] <hatch> rick_h_: have you ever used ZNC for irc?
[18:31] <rick_h_> hatch: no
[18:31] <hatch> alright - last night I was looking at various irc bouncers
[18:32] <rick_h_> hatch: no, I just keep my irc window open on a side monitor. I don't get ping's or anything
[18:32] <hatch> ahh - yeah I was hoping to get something that keeps me always logged in so I can move from computer to computer and keep the history
[18:33] <rick_h_> yea, I get that by running irssi on my ec2 server, but it's disconnected
[18:41] <bac> frankban: i've made the changes to matt's branch if you have time to QA.  lp:~bac/juju-quickstart/makyo-ensure-juju-lxc
[18:42] <gary_poster> frankban, I'm back but you should be gone. :-)
[18:43] <frankban> gary_poster: heh :-)
[18:44] <gary_poster> frankban, do you want to talk, or call it a night?
[18:48] <hatch> rick_h_: so this 'downloads_in_past_30_days' when is that passed in?
[18:48] <hatch> I dont' see it in the current diff
[18:49] <rick_h_> hatch: from the api, it's dumped into the model as the whole object
[18:49] <rick_h_> hatch: that was updated in the back end, so cfg just *has* it
[18:50] <hatch> oh ok
[18:50] <hatch> so the issue there is that if there are any updates to that attribute from the api, cfg won't be updated
[18:50] <hatch> is that not a concern?
[18:51] <rick_h_> huh? I don't see the concern
[18:51] <hatch> say the model is created
[18:51] <hatch> then we update the model
[18:51] <hatch> downloads_in_past_30_days will be the new value, but recent_download_count will be the old one
[18:51] <rick_h_> it's read only, not sure how that would be updated
[18:52] <rick_h_> so no, not an issue since it's based off of 15min ingest data and isn't written
[18:52] <hatch> ok so we will never update the model once it's been loaded once
[18:52] <rick_h_> if we start writing bundle/charm models then we've got a LOT more work to figure out
[18:52] <rick_h_> hatch: right
[18:52] <hatch> ahh ok - so this will eventually be a problem when we implement a proper client side database
[18:52] <rick_h_> the absolute worst case, is that we cached the model and ingest happened in the last 10min and you don't see the updated count atm because we hit our cache
[18:52] <hatch> but until then I suppose it's ok
[18:52] <rick_h_> but welcome to caching
[18:53] <frankban> bac: well over my EOD, can do it tomorrow, or please feel free to do the QA and merge if you want.
[18:53] <bac> frankban: ok.  if it isn't merged please take a look tomorrow.
[18:53] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, this is the same way the current charm model works. I'd like to keep it in sync and how to deal with a client-side-db is interesting, but yagni
[18:53] <frankban> bac: sure! thanks
[18:55] <hatch> done
[18:56] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so should I be working on my ci chops or my 'how does elasticsearch' work chops?
[18:56] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ...ci.
[18:56] <rick_h_> gary_poster: k
[18:56] <gary_poster> thank you
[19:02] <rick_h_> hatch: thanks for the review. No good reason to not use value vs valueFn. Updating now.
[19:03] <hatch> cool
[19:03] <rick_h_> just skipped the brain
[19:03] <hatch> :) sok
[19:04] <hatch> using juju lxc if the install script modifies /etc stuff will that be restricted to the lxc container and not spill over to the host?
[19:05] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr
[19:05] <rick_h_> hatch: it has it's own /etc dir in the lxc container
[19:05] <hatch> same goes for /var and /tmp etc?
[19:05] <rick_h_> hatch: yep
[19:05] <hatch> cool - I am jut going to test a guys charm while I'm working and didn't want to run the risk of mucking up my host machine
[19:05] <rick_h_> yea, lxc ftw
[19:05] <rick_h_> just watch out for your home dir if you bind that to your lxc containers
[19:06] <hatch> not unless juju does that
[19:06] <rick_h_> no
[19:07] <hatch> kewl
[19:11] <hatch> hmm debug-log is broken
[19:11] <hatch> that's awesome
[19:12] <rick_h_> debug-log doesn't work in lxc
[19:13] <hatch> ohh
[19:13] <hatch> well then!
[19:16] <bac> wheels up
[19:30] <hatch> yeah?
[19:30] <hatch> I missed it I guess heh
[19:32] <bac> boring.  yay.
[20:07] <hatch> that's the best kind of flight :)
[20:35] <hatch> sometimes the right way....was the first way
[20:36] <hatch> jujugui when debugging model data use `console.table(data)` it works.....awwwweeeesuuummmmm
[20:36] <benji> cool
[20:36] <bac> hey blog that or something
[20:37] <hatch> I can do that
[20:37] <hatch> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s219/sh/5629e020-c68a-4d60-a839-72de7228b0d3/61cacd5857605826f28179505d7811d3
[20:37] <hatch> is what it gives you
[20:37] <hatch> so it's not 'perfect' but very helpful
[20:37] <bac> looks good
[21:15] <hatch> hey gary_poster|away back yet?
[21:21] <hatch> jujugui does anyone remember why we hide the unit action buttons when the unit is pending?
[21:21] <hatch> Don't we want people to be able to retry/remove them?
[21:32] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, I was playing with the chrome dev snippets and a lot of them use the console.table and very cool for thigns like header dumping and such
[21:32] <hatch> yeah really a fan now
[21:32] <hatch> :)
[21:33] <rick_h_> hatch: if it's pending can you retry/remove? Don't you have to wait for it to be done and in error before you can retry/resolve?
[21:33] <rick_h_> ooh, kitkat for my n10 just arrived, be back after install/reboot
[21:34] <hatch> rick_h_: well sometimes it can get stuck in pending
[21:34] <hatch> so that's why I'm curious
[21:39] <rick_h_> hatch: hmm, yea if it's stuck in pending then I'd think there's a bug there. Curious what the log is for that then.
[21:39] <hatch> well it's not really a bug
[21:40] <hatch> if I have an infinite loop in my install hook
[21:40] <hatch> it'll pend forever
[21:40] <rick_h_> right, that's a charm bug
[21:40] <hatch> yeah
[21:40] <hatch> but maybe not
[21:40] <hatch> it could be an issue with anything really
[21:40] <hatch> looped internets or something
[21:41] <hatch> I'm just saying we should probably give the user the ability to something about it
[21:41] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, but let's make it something useful
[21:41] <hatch> I don't know how we can tell if it's useful or not
[21:41] <rick_h_> if there's something retry can offer, then I'm all for it, but I'm not convinced it's just giving users false hope
[21:42] <hatch> oh....right, but there is no way we can tell that
[21:42] <rick_h_> hatch: find me a use case where retry would have been useful and maybe showing it can be done :)
[21:42] <rick_h_> anyway, I'm not sure on why it's not visible. It might just be a juju limitation
[21:42] <rick_h_> I'm just talking through why it might be one way or another
[21:43] <hatch> right - I can't think of one
[21:43] <hatch> hah
[21:43] <hatch> I've just seen charms stuck in pending before
[21:43] <rick_h_> then let it be I say. If it turns out to be something useful it can probably change.
[21:43] <rick_h_> hatch: right, I've seem people say in #juju about charms pending. I just can't say that retry/resolve helped them at all
[21:43] <rick_h_> so I'd want to verify the right way to fix a 'stuck' charm is exposed to the user vs just "here's some more buttons"
[21:44] <rick_h_> imo
[21:46] <hatch> right but there is no way we can offer that to the user
[21:46] <hatch> because pending CAN take hours
[21:46] <hatch> or days really hah
[21:46] <rick_h_> heh, yea.
[21:46] <hatch> once we get logging then that will be awesome
[21:47] <hatch> but for now I think I'll show the buttons
[21:47] <hatch> it's trivial to remove them
[21:47] <hatch> unless of course juju doesn't support retry/remove on pending units
[21:47] <hatch> hmm who would know
[21:49] <hatch> I asked in #juju-dev
[21:49] <hatch> we'll see
[22:10] <hatch> ugh I hate implementing sorting
[22:17] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[22:17] <hatch> well the damn things never work as they are supposed to
[22:18] <hatch> I need to go and just write sorting algorithms for a month or so to get better at it
[22:18] <hatch> haha
[22:19] <hatch> annnd of course I missed an = sign
[22:19]  * hatch shakes fist at javascript
[22:19] <hatch> I had it right all along
[22:19] <hatch> lol