[10:46] <geekosopher> DarkwingDuck: wanted to talk about writing kubuntu-docs, whenever you are free


[00:16]  * yofel upload a calligra that hopefully builds (i.e. with sgclark's patch)
[00:17] <ahoneybun> howdy
[00:17] <sgclark> yofel: the same calligra I have been working on?
[00:17] <yofel> sgclark: trusty in my case
[00:17] <sgclark> that is the one
[00:18] <yofel> ah hm, sorry, is there something that's to be done other than add the patch?
[00:19] <yofel> oh, 4.12.97 is up
[00:19] <yofel> anyone uploading it?
[00:19] <yofel> if not then I'll do it in ~10min
[00:25] <sgclark> yofel: not that I can see. I have been at this for 14 hours though, so saucy build will have to wait until tomorrow sorry
[00:26] <yofel> sgclark: no problem, I didn't hear back from you so I just went ahead and upload it with the patch included, sorry again if you were still on it
[00:26] <yofel> now to hope that it'll work this time
[00:27] <sgclark> yofel: [14:52] <sgclark> yofel: verified, moving forward , but anyway, hopefully it will build. I will work on saucy with that if it does. Thanks for your help today
[00:29] <yofel> thanks for helping out as well :)
[05:17] <jose> hello, everyone!
[05:21] <jose> Riddell: an update on the broken login on the wiki RT ticket, alexlist mentioned it's gotten a bit more priority. If it's not fixed in the following days I'll see what can I do and poke some other people
[06:04] <jose> valorie: ping, around?
[06:04] <valorie> hi jose
[06:05] <jose> hey! I was checking http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org/revision/13 and bug #745631, and was wondering if it's worth to change the copyright date from the page to display 2010-2014
[06:06] <jose> current fix would be to put 2012-2014, but actually 2010 was the original date, so that's why I have a bit of a doubt
[06:06] <valorie> I don't have much to do with the website, jose, but I second your idea
[06:06] <jose> yep, I just wanted a second opinion :)
[06:06] <jose> thank you!
[06:06] <valorie> I should say something like 2010-$present year
[06:08] <jose> previous committer said the php code wasn't working, so hardcoding it is the best option
[06:08] <jose> fixing it now and will poke IS in a min
[06:08] <valorie> well, getting good code would be a nice start!
[06:08] <valorie> hardcoding is ...
[06:08] <jose> :P
[06:09]  * jose googles for working code
[06:21] <jose> would 'Kubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd.' still be valid?
[06:24] <jose> valorie: ^
[06:31] <valorie> yes
[06:32] <valorie> the name is not ours, but their
[06:32] <valorie> s
[06:32] <jose> gotcha
[07:50] <snele> guys I have failed krite updates in 14.04
[07:50] <snele> error: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/36/vG/A10O6HH/snapshot21.png
[07:51] <valorie> hmmm, could be a packaging error
[07:54] <valorie> installing calligra to check
[07:57] <valorie> and now updating
[07:58] <valorie> both calligra and krita are being upgraded
[07:58] <valorie> using apt-get
[08:04] <snele> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:04] <snele>  krita : Depends: calligra-libs (= 1:2.8.0-0ubuntu4) but 1:2.8.1-0ubuntu2 is installed
[08:04] <snele>  sudo apt-get -f install
[08:04] <snele> fixed it
[08:04] <valorie> hmmm, I had an error as well
[08:05] <valorie> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:05] <valorie>  /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a2.8.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[08:05] <valorie> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:06] <valorie> odd, running sudo apt-get -f install reinstalled krita
[08:06] <valorie> or rather, upgraded, although supposedly it already was
[08:07] <jose> valorie: what version of krita do you have now?
[08:12] <valorie> 2.8.1
[08:13] <valorie> same with you?
[08:13] <jose> give me a sec so it can download and install
[08:13] <jose> though packages.ubuntu.com lists 2.8.0
[08:14] <valorie> when you ran sudo apt-get -f install, what did it do?
[08:15] <jose> not the original guy who asked the question, but let me try
[08:15] <valorie> oops
[08:15] <valorie> sorry, jose
[08:15] <jose> if it's a bug, it's to be reported :)
[08:16] <valorie> which is why I installed, to see if we got the same errors
[08:16] <valorie> snele: when you ran sudo apt-get -f install, what happened?
[08:19] <snele> valorie: it upgraded krita
[08:19] <snele> full log: http://paste.kde.org/pdrty03kk
[08:19] <valorie> snele: if you file a bug, i'll confirm
[08:24] <snele> valorie: it seems that it is already reported
[08:24] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1298805
[08:27] <jose> I installed successfully in saucy
[08:31] <valorie> snele: thanks for finding the bug report; I added my apt-get errors
[08:32] <snele> valorie: launchpad found it when I tried to report the bug ;)
[08:34] <valorie> nice
[09:18] <apachelogger> sgclark, Riddell: more conflicts bug 1298805
[09:38] <Riddell> bah
[10:09] <sgclark> Riddell: apachelogger: sorry I needed a nap... there was an issue with md5sums. yofel inadvertanly uploaded something. I am working on it now.
[10:09] <yofel> all I did was fix the build failure
[10:11] <sgclark> hmm, that new error should not be there then. looking
[10:12] <apachelogger> well
[10:12] <apachelogger> it's different packages conflicting
[10:13] <apachelogger> so the one from yesterday doesn't really have anything to do with this one ^^
[10:13] <yofel> there's breaks/replaces for the second error, with the wrong version
[10:18] <sgclark> I see it yofel, fixing
[10:21] <Riddell> jussi: bounced you an e-mail about some chap selling kubuntu polo shirts, not sure what to say
[10:25] <jussi> Riddell: heh
[10:25] <jussi> Im unsure also
[10:25] <Riddell> jose: thanks for fixing those links
[10:26] <Riddell> jussi: then I think I'll just tell him that's fine (if canonical trademark is fine with it) but we're happy doing our own thing
[10:26] <jussi> Riddell: for me, Im happy to let them do it or Im happy to keep doing it. that said, the official shop is nice to have, especially with the work that I am/have done for the next shop implementation
[10:34] <Riddell> jussi: I doubt I trust it as much as yours :)
[10:35] <jussi> Riddell: hehe, fair point  :D
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:46] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: bind mounting with lxc is a bit nasty
[10:47] <apachelogger> you actually have to define the full host target mount path (i.e. /var/lib/lxc/containerwhoop/rootfs/root/mount)
[10:47] <apachelogger> which is a drag because it of course makes the containter not relocatable, not that big a deal but nasty nonetheless
[10:48] <apachelogger> plus, it appears to me lxc-start-ephemeral doesn't actually manage to snapshot this correctly, so you probably end up manually twiddling the values in the config of the snapshot or something
[11:10] <agateau> Sput: I don't maintain libdbusmenu-qt anymore :/
[11:18] <Riddell> sgclark: how's calligra getting on?
[11:18] <Riddell> I lost track of where it was
[11:18] <sgclark> Riddell: fixed, building and testing first
[11:18] <Riddell> lovely
[11:19] <sgclark> someone upstream uploaded a new tarball messing yofel and myself up >.<
[11:19] <Riddell> pesky upstream
[11:19] <sgclark> a broken one at that!
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon issue, where should this header be?  http://paste.kde.org/pkzxwknhi
[12:28] <Riddell> it's in /usr/include/phonon4qt5/phonon/Phonon/AbstractMediaStream
[12:28] <apachelogger> mh
[12:28] <apachelogger> that's wrong
[12:29] <apachelogger> I think(tm)
[12:29] <Riddell> but where's right?
[12:30] <apachelogger>  /usr/include/phonon4qt5/Phonon/AbstractMediaStream
[12:30] <apachelogger> FWIW, those includse are deprecated
[12:30] <apachelogger> shoudl be changed to phonon/AbstractMediaStream
[12:30] <apachelogger> -- Up-to-date: /usr/include/phonon4qt5/KDE/Phonon/AbstractAudioOutput
[12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think that's debian/kubuntu logic moving them around
[12:31] <apachelogger> KDE/Phonon is also somewhat wrong though
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll put it on my todo, to fix it change the includes in runtime please
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems to work, probably my packaging bug then
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: another calligra change I'm afriad
[12:55] <Riddell> sgclark: could you get rid of the bits that explicitly use gcc 4.7?
[12:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, KDE/Phonon/ works?
[12:55] <Riddell> sgclark: doko just built it with default gcc and says it works
[12:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes seesm to
[12:56] <apachelogger> curious
[12:56] <apachelogger> well, maybe the cmake config adds the path correctly
[12:56] <apachelogger> which is possible since the KDE/* stuff is meant as compat for when phonon moved out of kdelibs
[12:57] <Riddell> having two headers just seems inelegant to me
[12:57] <Riddell> I blame qt4
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you mean?
[12:58] <apachelogger> there's only one haeder, there's just two camels :P
[13:02] <Riddell> crazy I tell you
[13:03] <BluesKaj> system settings>multimedia can't open audio&video settings, the cursor just sits there rotating. Checked the logs but i don't see any error
[13:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I hope that is the cause that makes pbuilder fail. How do I find bits that use that?
[13:05] <Riddell> sgclark: it's just the build-depends in debian/control and the two lines setting variables in debian/rules
[13:05] <Riddell> sgclark: what failure are you getting?
[13:07] <sgclark> Riddell: does pbuilder have a log?
[13:07] <apachelogger> ~/pbuilder/*_result
[13:08] <apachelogger> if you are using pbuilder-dist anyway, which you should
[13:08] <sgclark> Riddell: terminal cuts off before Error 1 and Error 2 is useless, thanks apachelogger
[13:08] <sgclark> oh? did not know that
[13:09] <apachelogger> takes away most of the shittyness of pbuilder
[13:09] <sgclark> well I like the sound of that, using that from now on
[13:44] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[14:37] <jose> Riddell: hey, mind a quick PM?
[15:11] <Riddell> hi jose
[15:11] <Riddell> go ahead
[15:31] <Riddell> sgclark: more changes for calligra http://paste.ubuntu.com/7168983/
[15:33] <sgclark> Riddell: what am I looking at? I did the gcc , the vc bit?
[15:33] <Riddell> sgclark: oh then all good, didn't think you had the vc change
[15:34] <sgclark> Riddell: I didn't, was asking, ok fixing again lol
[15:34] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah add the vc bit then
[15:36]  * ahoneybun is a friend of gnome
[15:37] <Riddell> ?!
[15:37] <ahoneybun> lol
[15:37] <sgclark> ack
[15:37] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1299059] kwalletd crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299059 (by Javier Rivera)
[15:37] <ahoneybun> I'm friends of all
[15:38] <ahoneybun> *a friend of everyone
[15:38] <Riddell> ahoneybun: kde supporting member?
[15:38] <ahoneybun> no that takes the money right away
[15:38] <ahoneybun> gnome takes payments
[15:39] <ahoneybun> I do wish to support that way as well
[15:40]  * ahoneybun has ubuntu GNOME on his macbook
[15:41]  * sgclark is 100% Kubuntu now :)
[15:42] <ahoneybun> is it so wrong to donate the other project?
[15:42] <sgclark> lol no
[15:43] <sgclark> I am coming from gentoo, kubuntu has spoiled me lol
[15:43]  * ahoneybun wants his mousepad and stickers from his 2012 donation to gnome
[15:47] <Riddell> sgclark: ah, gentoo, that explain why you like compiling things :)
[15:47] <sgclark> lol
[16:07] <Riddell> it's... littlegirl!
[16:07] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[16:12] <Riddell> littlegirl: tried the new beta yet?
[16:12] <littlegirl> No, sorry. I should grab it and see. (:
[16:13] <littlegirl> Riddell: Got a link?
[16:13] <ahoneybun> omg littlegirl
[16:14] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Heh. (:
[16:14] <ahoneybun> I keep thinking of bioshock with your name lol
[16:14] <littlegirl> Sorry about that. I got the handle a long time before I got onto the internet, and I just kept it. (:
[16:15] <ahoneybun> just funny
[16:15] <ahoneybun> have you seen the docs progress littlegirl?
[16:15] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: No, but I saw in the mailing list that there was some huge oversight that got fixed at the last second.
[16:16] <littlegirl> I would help out more with the Kubuntu docs if you guys used BZR and DocBook or Mallard. (:
[16:16]  * littlegirl is not a wiki type of person
[16:16] <ahoneybun> we are on userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu now
[16:16] <littlegirl> Still a wiki?
[16:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu
[16:17] <ahoneybun> mediawiki now
[16:17] <littlegirl> Riddell: Thanks - grabbing. (:
[16:18] <littlegirl> It's gonna take 12 minutes. (:
[16:19] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Well, if you guys ever go back to BZR and Mallard or DocBook, let me know, and I'll jump in. (:
[16:20] <Riddell> littlegirl:  in the mean time I'm sure there's other bits you can help with, like testing and fixing
[16:20] <littlegirl> Riddell: Testing I can do. What kind of fixing?
[16:20] <Riddell> you can jump into packaging, help out sgclark
[16:20] <Riddell> littlegirl: well fixing whatever bugs you find during testing :)
[16:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: LOL - I'm not a programmer. (:
[16:21] <littlegirl> I tried getting involved with man pages, but got no response.
[16:21] <maco> littlegirl: packaging isnt programming
[16:21] <Riddell> packaging isn't programming, and it does involve bzr :)
[16:21] <Riddell> littlegirl: oh I've got a manpage I need help with if you want to do one
[16:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Ooh, if it involves bzr, it intrigues me. (:
[16:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, which one?
[16:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: I've written the Ktrash one, but haven't given it to anyone yet.
[16:22] <Riddell> littlegirl: the man page is the qt5options and kde5options page which badly need updated
[16:23] <Riddell> littlegirl: packaging, well there's almost always things to package, today we need akonadi, I can give you a tutorial any time
[16:23] <littlegirl> I kind of try to find a hole and fill it, and nobody seems to be writing missing man pages, so I wanted to take that on, but when it came up in the mailing list, interest seemed to fade, and I wasn't able to find others who shared mine. (:
[16:23] <Riddell> littlegirl: which mailing list?
[16:23] <littlegirl> Riddell: Hang on, let me find it.
[16:24] <Riddell> littlegirl: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2014-January/009815.html
[16:27] <littlegirl> Riddell: It's the wiki vs documentation thread here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/thread.html
[16:28] <littlegirl> Riddell: So I guess you wouldn't have seen it. (:
[16:28] <littlegirl> Is Trusty going to be an LTS?
[16:29] <Riddell> littlegirl: ah yes, ubuntu probably cares less about about manpages than debian do.  but that kf5options one certanly needs doing, let me know if you want to try it
[16:29] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes it is, all 5 years of it
[16:30] <littlegirl> Woohoo! (:
[16:30] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, looking to see what, exactly, you guys want done to that man page.
[16:31] <Riddell> littlegirl: you'll need to install KF5 stuff to see what works, neon5 would be the way to do that
[16:31] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do you want http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2014-January/009815.html added to the man page? Or do you need someone to test which options are valid and make sure only the currently valid ones are in it?
[16:32] <littlegirl> Riddell: Can I do that in a VM? I've only got one computer (unless you count my tablet). (:
[16:32] <Riddell> littlegirl: I think that's me saying what's in the manpages just now, and it needs checked which are valid
[16:32] <Riddell> littlegirl: the rest of that thread has people saying which ones are valid but it probably still needs checked
[16:32] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, and if I install neon5, how would I test which ones are valid?
[16:32] <littlegirl> Riddell: I can test if I know how. (:
[16:33] <Riddell> littlegirl: you can use a VM or an ec2 cloud computer but neon5 installs alongside your normal software so there's no danger in installing it
[16:33] <Riddell> littlegirl: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Using_Project_Neon_5_for_Frameworks_5_Development
[16:35] <littlegirl> Riddell: I think I'll put it in a VM. Is it okay to do it in the Trusty beta, or would I be better off grabbing a known stable release to use it in?
[16:36] <Riddell> littlegirl: trusty beta is all good
[16:38] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1299059] kwalletd crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299059 (by Javier Rivera)
[16:39] <littlegirl> Riddell: Ooooh, I've got it. Let me install it and see what's new and exciting. (:
[16:39] <Riddell> sgclark: he filed a bug too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1299096
[16:40] <sgclark> ok
[16:40] <littlegirl> Riddell: VirtualBox really ought to have an icon for Kubuntu rather than auto-detecting as Ubuntu when you create a VM in it.
[16:42] <Riddell> :)
[16:43] <Riddell> it's all the same thing
[16:43] <shadeslayer> xnox: ping https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1299099
[16:44] <littlegirl> I still feel strongly that the installation should get rid of the "Install now" button and replace it with a "Next" button, because there is still more to the installation process when you are required to press that button. "Install now" is a very *final* thing to have on a button.
[16:45] <Riddell> littlegirl: it's needs more than just "next" it's formatting your hard disk!
[16:45] <littlegirl> Riddell: Not at the Disk Setup step.  Feel free to kick me in the head.
[16:46]  * littlegirl kicks self in head
[16:46] <Riddell> ouch! don't do that!
[16:46] <littlegirl> Couldn't help it. (:
[16:47] <littlegirl> Installing! This seems to be faster than the last time I installed Kubuntu.
[16:48] <littlegirl> Riddell: I still think the button text needs to change. Maybe "Begin installing" rather than "Install now" because there are still screens after the Disk Setup screen in which the user has to make choices.
[16:50] <Riddell> I think when it was discussed on the mailing list it conluded with something like "begin install and continue setup"
[16:50] <Riddell> littlegirl: it's a little faffy though because you have to make sure it's translated
[16:50] <Riddell> littlegirl: bzr patches welcome though :)
[16:51] <littlegirl> Riddell: LOL - no, they're not! This got discussed at length in the mailing list and I lost hard. (:
[16:57] <littlegirl> Installation hung on the reboot after installation: http://imagebin.org/302391
[16:57] <littlegirl> Excuse my pink and purple system colors. I love them, but many people are shocked by them. (:
[16:59] <littlegirl> I can send the shutdown signal or power off the machine.
[17:00] <littlegirl> Sending the shutdown signal did nothing, so I powered off the machine. Now to see if it installed or not. (:
[17:01] <Riddell> littlegirl: someone else reported the same but it work fine for me
[17:02] <littlegirl> Riddell: It seems to have installed just fine and I'm in. I'm gonna shut it down and take a snapshot before I mess with it. (:
[17:07] <littlegirl> Just curious, but why did you guys get rid of the little cashew in the upper right corner and replace it with a rectangular button offset from the right edge? It's been that way for several releases now and I never saw any mention of why.
[17:07] <Riddell> littlegirl: nothing to do with us (kubuntu) that'll have been a decision of the kde plasma developers
[17:08] <Riddell> littlegirl: but it's probably because a cashew is a bit of a random thing to include
[17:08] <littlegirl> Riddell: I kind of liked the cashew. (:
[17:08] <Riddell> there's still a cashew in the bottom right on the toolbar
[17:08] <littlegirl> Riddell: Exactly. I wonder why they got rid of one and left us with the other. (:
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark: bug 1299096
[17:13] <sgclark> apachelogger: yep got it
[17:13] <sgclark> ty
[17:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't hassle her! she's working as fast as she can!
[17:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: does neon5 use qt 5.3 git?
[17:16] <apachelogger> I am not hassling I am just point out that doko also has nice fixes for us :P
[17:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[17:17] <littlegirl> Riddell: Installing neon5 - it's taking a while. (:
[17:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes there's a lot to it
[17:21] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[17:22] <apachelogger> yofel: have you ever had problems with containers not being able to speak to the outside world?
[17:22] <apachelogger> I have the most peculiar routing problems
[17:23] <yofel> yes, and I never figured out why (where my issue was getting no IP over dhcp)
[17:23] <apachelogger> yofel: on trusty or saucy already?
[17:23] <yofel> the workaround for that was to install libvirt-bin and switch to use virbr instead of lxcbr
[17:23] <yofel> apachelogger: I'm on trusty mostly (haven't see it there yet)
[17:23] <apachelogger> ah yeah, if you have libvirt it will grab the bridge before lxc
[17:24] <apachelogger> thing is ip works just fine, the host just doesn't want to forward route stuff
[17:24] <apachelogger> i.e. I can ping the host, but I cannot ping my local router
[17:24] <yofel> hm, that's weird. For me it was the DHCPOFFER from dnsmasq never arriving in the container
[17:24] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do you want both kdeoptions and qtoptions man pages to be updated? And do you have a preference for which KDE and QT applications should be used to test the options?
[17:26] <yofel> apachelogger: FWIW, that's with the virt and lxc bridges. My server has eth0 bridged and that always worked fine so far
[17:27] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:27] <Riddell> littlegirl: yep, kf5options and qt5options which are now in https://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/kdoctools/repository/revisions/master/show/docs
[17:27] <Riddell> littlegirl: they should be options available to all qt and kde applications so test with any you can
[17:33] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do I need git to use that link? I grabbed the tarball, but can't seem to find the man pages in it. Sorry, I'm a newb (n00b?) at this. (:
[17:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: you can download individual files e.g. the download link here https://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/kdoctools/repository/revisions/master/changes/docs/qt5options/man-qt5options.7.docbook
[17:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: but probably easiest to just get a git clone
[17:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: git is like bzr but alas much more complex
[17:56] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, thanks for all the info. I copied all of the messages in the mailing list thread to a text file and will compare what's in them with what's in the man pages and then test all of them. I'll update both man pages and can send them updated files to you directly by email if you like and if you're happy with them you can put them in the git repository. Or, if you want me to use the git repository directly, you might
[17:56] <littlegirl> want to give me Absolutely Idiot Proof Instructions for the basics that I would need to grab the files, make changes, and upload my changes without stepping on somebody else's work. (:
[18:00] <Riddell> littlegirl: either way, e-mailing me is fine
[18:02] <littlegirl> Riddell: Email it is, then. Easier for me. Then I can focus on the testing and the writing, which is the fun part. (:
[18:02] <littlegirl> Riddell: Is there a deadline on this?
[18:05] <Riddell> littlegirl: not especially, june 1st I guess https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Epics
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind packaging 4.12.97
[18:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm, I'm kindae trying to be release manager for plasma next currently
[18:13] <littlegirl> Riddell: Oh, I'll be done long before then. (:
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:13] <shadeslayer> monday tehn
[18:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yofel put it into the ppa
[18:14] <shadeslayer> awesome beans
[18:14] <littlegirl> Riddell: Shall I ignore "Bus::Open:Can not get ibus-daemon's address." messages as long as I don't get any red errors in neon5?
[18:14] <yofel> coffee beans? :D
[18:15] <Riddell> littlegirl: mm, if it works then you can ignore it I guess
[18:16]  * genii hears something about coffee, investigates, then goes back to work
[18:18] <littlegirl> Riddell: So just to be certain, if I do Test 1 with a single dash before caption like this: http://imagebin.org/302410 and I do Test 2 with two dashes before caption like this: http://imagebin.org/302411 then even though both give that ibus-daemon's address warning, Test 2 is the good test and the correct syntax to use based on those results, right?
[18:19] <littlegirl> Riddell: I forgot to add that the single dash one fails because of the red warnings, right? Sorry, I'm just trying to be certain where the parameters of my box are so I know how to interpret my test results. (:
[18:20] <Riddell> littlegirl: I'd ignore those warnings and see what the application does
[18:20] <Riddell> if they both set the caption then they're both correct
[18:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: What if it opens in both cases, as it did in that test?
[18:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: And in both tests, the caption was properly applied to Kate.
[18:21] <Riddell> littlegirl: then they're both right and put both in the manpage
[18:21] <littlegirl> Riddell: LOL, I hadn't thought of that. Got it. Okay, I'm off to do this. (:
[18:22] <Riddell> littlegirl: you could check if maybe -caption is qt apps only and --caption is kde apps
[18:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, will do. (:
[18:38] <sgclark> Riddell: calligra committed to bzr
[18:39] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh!
[18:41] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:44] <sgclark> Riddell: I am working on saucy backport now, then I am afraid I am out of time :( need to prepare for trip
[18:52] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do I need to follow the instructions in the "Testing individual applications" section here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Testing_individual_applications for each program I test the man page options with, or can I just type neon5-env in Konsole and then run the command for the program followed by the option I want to test?
[18:55] <Riddell> littlegirl: just type neon5-env in Konsole and run it is good
[18:55] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, thanks a bunch! I'm all set and will go play with this stuff and fix some man pages. (:
[19:28] <kdeuser56> yofel: why does apt-get remove akonadi-backend-mysql want to remove kdepim, plasma etc. ?
[19:29] <yofel> kdeuser56: failure prevention. akonadi cannot detect which backends are available, so mysql is guaranteed to be there as it's the default
[19:29] <kdeuser56> yofel: for example one could want to switch to akonadi-backend-postgresql and therefore mysql would not be required anymore
[19:29] <kdeuser56> yofel: is it defined by upstream or a packaging matter?
[19:30] <yofel> the default is defined by upstream so far, akonadi not detecting backends would be an upstream issue too, that we force mysql to be installed is packaging stuff
[19:30] <kdeuser56> yofel installing postgreesql backend automatically defaults to postgresql one?
[19:31] <yofel> no, as I said, it doesn't know what backends it has, and it will never auto-switch anything
[19:31] <yofel> so even if you remove all backends, it'll still happily try mysql and error out
[19:31] <yofel> if you install !mysql and remove mysql it'll still error out - unless you go to the settings and switch the backend
[19:32] <yofel> you can also switch to a not-installed backend, breaking it
[19:32] <yofel> fun really
[19:35] <kdeuser56> yofel: there are no gui settings, are there?
[19:35] <yofel> sure there are
[19:35] <kdeuser56> yofel: where?
[19:36] <kdeuser56> yofel: I thought you would need edit .config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[19:36] <yofel> kdeuser56: either look for akonadi configuration in the applications, or run: kcmshell4 akonadi
[19:38] <kdeuser56> yofel: thx
[19:44] <kdeuser56> yofel: anything to consider that it works?
[19:45] <kdeuser56> yofel: simply installing, purging the configs and starting does not work
[19:45] <kdeuser56> yofel: it can't connect to postgresql
[19:45] <yofel> not sure, if it's postgresql, I never got the local mode to work. Only connecting to the system DB worked
[20:37] <Sput> Riddell: re the previous discussion about KF5, http://www.proli.net/2014/03/19/kde-sdk-next-how-will-we-develop-in-a-year/ gives me hope that people are indeed thinking about it, and will strive for making KF5 a viable set of libraries for cross-platform development
[21:37] <Riddell> aah, friday evening, the perfect time for spreading freedom through software
[21:37] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin_
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: hello
[21:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: are you planning on doing the website story import?
[21:38] <ovidiu-florin_> story? the blog archive?
[21:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: kubuntu.org news archives
[21:42] <ovidiu-florin_> I'm not sure on how to proceed on that.
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> Copy each one manualy? (copy the HTML code)
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> or use a script for that
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> to migrate
[21:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: ug that would take ages
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> a script would be faster
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> but risky
[21:43] <Riddell> must be some way to extract them from the drupal database
[21:43] <ovidiu-florin_> there is
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin_> but it's risky
[21:44] <Riddell> what's the risk?
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin_> it might import stuff wrong and break the current site
[21:44] <Riddell> how would it break the site?
[21:44] <ovidiu-florin_> import in the wrong table or column
[21:44] <yofel> make a backup first o.O?
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin_> will do
[21:48] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: but do you know how to extract the stories from the current site?
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin_> I have a SQL dump from the time I've started the romanian site
[21:49] <ovidiu-florin_> since then, there aren't many articles to copy by hand
[21:49] <Riddell> yeah that could work
[21:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: think it'll be possible for release in 3 weeks?
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin_> afaik yofel has access to edit the current articles, he could just send me their html code
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll start migrating it tonight
[21:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: or I can just give you access too :)
[21:50] <yofel> we can just give you the admin password
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll see how far I can get
[21:51] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell yofel I'll ask for it after I'm done with the old ones
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: side topic: I have this proposition: https://www.transifex.com/organization/kde4/
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> we are testing it for the romanian translations right now
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> it is just in testing
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin_> but it can do marvels world wide :D
[21:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: does that mean the people problems you had with kde romanian translations are fixed?
[21:54] <ovidiu-florin_> nope
[21:55] <Riddell> fooey
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll start talking with them again soon though
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> I've managed to get Kubuntu in a school
[21:55] <Riddell> yay :)
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> :D
[21:55] <Riddell> what's the story with that?
[21:55] <ovidiu-florin_> Just need to finish that ro-education package to arange it a bit for them
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin_> The current KDE translations cannot be used in education, but I have no official confirmation for this yet
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin_> It's just my suspicion
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin_> because they are not officially correct
[21:57] <ovidiu-florin_> from the point of view of the state
[21:57] <ovidiu-florin_> after I'll have an official confirmation, I'll open the subject with the translators again
[21:57] <Riddell> gosh what a lot of hassle, good luck with that
[21:57] <ovidiu-florin_> thanks
[22:16] <utusan> wanted to test so I tried to install plasma-desktop. but there is no kde or kubuntu session?
[22:16] <ovidiu-florin_> utusan: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[22:16] <utusan> is there a meta pkg that will install the basic kde. never mind apps, I'll just add them later
[22:17] <Riddell> kubuntu-desktop is our meta package
[22:18] <utusan> but that will bring in all of the kitchen sink?
[22:18] <utusan> just wanted a minimal set that I can add apps later
[22:18] <Riddell> you can try kde-plasma-desktop
[22:18] <utusan> so I tried plasma-desktop
[22:18] <Riddell> it's from debian so we don't test it
[22:20] <utusan> ok, how about plasma-desktop?  It didn't buld a kde/kubuntu session
[22:20] <Riddell> no, it's just an application like any other
[22:20] <utusan> from the description it should?
[22:23] <utusan> kde-plasma-desktop seems to not get over konqueror.  why depend on it?
[22:23] <utusan> I know my bos is pretty old, but may I suggest to ship kubuntu with desktop effect off?
[22:24] <utusan> box*
[22:25] <utusan> it's dead on arrival if gpu can't handle it.  luckily system change accepted it from another desktop
[22:25] <Riddell> kwin ought to auto detect if it can't handle it and turn them off automatically
[22:25] <Riddell> we don't depend on kde-plasma-desktop
[22:25] <utusan> mine didn't, or taking too long, just blank
[22:27] <utusan> I meant kde-plasma-desktop meta pkg depends on konqueror
[22:30] <utusan> so which pkg has the kubuntu.desktop session file?
[22:31] <Riddell> dpkg -S /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-kde-plasma.conf
[22:31] <Riddell> kde-workspace-data: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-kde-plasma.conf
[22:31] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kde-workspace 4.11.8
[22:31] <utusan> I mean the one you can find in /usr/share/xsessions
[22:31] <yofel> you'll also at least need kde-workspace-bin for startkde
[22:31] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299266
[22:32] <yofel> utusan: same package
[22:32] <yofel> kde-workspace-data: /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop
[22:32] <utusan> thanks yofel
[22:32] <utusan> I'll check it out
[22:32] <yofel> although lightdm uses the other file these days
[22:34] <utusan> I use lightdm but I think it's getting it from /usr/share/xsessions
[22:36] <utusan> my lightdm.conf.d only has 50-greeter-wrapper.conf  50-xserver-command.conf 50-guest-wrapper.conf    60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[22:36] <yofel> hm, yeah, it uses both, the other file is for the user-session setting
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin_> yofel: you also use quassel, right?
[22:47] <yofel> yes
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin_> how do I change my nick back to ovidiu-florin (no underscore)
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin_> ?
[22:47] <Riddell>  /nick ovidiu-florin
[22:48] <yofel> you can either set mulitple nicks and switch between them left of the input box, or do it the classic way as Riddell said
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin_> tried both... doesn't work
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin_> "Nick already in use: ovidiu-florin"
[22:49] <yofel> is it registered? Then you can try to /msg nickserv ghost <password> I think
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin_> it is registered
[22:49] <yofel> you are twice in here, so ghosting the other one should help
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> "You are now identified for ovidiu-florin."
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey :D
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[22:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1299266] Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.8 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299266 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot)
[22:55] <Riddell> gosh baloo is pretty key to getting SC packages to build
[22:55] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: it helps to link all your nick variants
[22:55] <valorie> then you don't have to ghost
[22:55] <Riddell> it failed and lots of other important ones failed
[22:55]  * Riddell fixes
[22:56] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I only have the one
[22:56] <ovidiu-florin> the oder one is invented by quassel
[22:56] <yofel> I only see kdepim-runtime as failed, everything else is in depwait
[22:56] <yofel> ... on baloo ^^
[22:57] <Riddell> I also fixed kdepim-runtime
[22:58] <valorie> right, so you can link the one with the tail
[22:58] <valorie> or make up something more nifty
[22:59] <valorie> doing a /msg nickserv help gets you all kinds of info
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: it would be simpler to migrate to a fresh installation of a Wordpress site, and then do those settings
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> since there would be lots of duplicate item IDs
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> ^^ (do the settings again from the site admin pannel)
[23:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you mean scrap existing test.kubuntu.co.uk?
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> not exactly.
[23:32] <ovidiu-florin> keep it as an example, from were we can copy paste stuff
[23:32] <ovidiu-florin> (that's the easy part)
[23:32] <ovidiu-florin> I'll make a subdir and start a clean WP installation.
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> I'll need a new DB
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> I can do this locally
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> and then just clone the DB on the current site
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> should have thoung of this from start
[23:33] <ovidiu-florin> thought*


[12:06] <tjaalton> nice, xserver loading both radeon and vesa for a radeon/radeon hybrid.. that'll fail
[12:06] <tjaalton> when -ati doesn't support the other chip
[12:23] <tjaalton> uds @ crazy hours again
[12:23] <tjaalton> no-go
[12:36] <mlankhorst> meh we need a session for x, but it will pretty much be ship whatever is needed for hardware support, ship 1.15 if possible, and ship newest mesa branch possible
[12:36] <tjaalton> right
[12:36] <tjaalton> no news there
[13:02] <Dandel> Sarvatt, it appears all of the ubuntu fglrx packages ( since 12.104 ) on precise have a broken direct rendering capabilities.
[13:02] <mlankhorst> *direct* rendering? >:O
[13:02] <Dandel> ya.
[13:03] <tjaalton> how so?
[13:03] <Dandel> and it was fixed by running... env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/fglrx:/usr/lib32/fglrx:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH glxinfo
[13:03] <mlankhorst> Dandel: what if you run ldconfig?
[13:04] <Dandel> shouldn't need to.
[13:04] <Dandel> I installed the packages from the ubuntu repositories.
[13:04] <mlankhorst> try update-alternatives --display x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf
[13:04] <Dandel> step to reproduce problem... sudo apt-get install fglrx_package_goes_here && sudo aticonfig --initial && sudo reboot
[13:05] <Dandel> fglrx 9.010 package was not effected
[13:06] <Dandel> but catalyst 13.8 beta ( 13.200 aka 13.20.5 ), catalyst 13.10 ( fglrx 13.20.11 ), and fglrx 12.104 are all effected
[13:06] <mlankhorst> Dandel: can you do those steps for me?
[13:07] <Dandel> will do, but it'll take a few min... i switched that pc over to an nvidia card to check some stuff out on an the nvidia drivers... funny thing is that none of the nvidia drivers had this issue.
[13:07] <mlankhorst> sure
[13:07] <tjaalton> Dandel: i guess you need to enable it from jockey or what's it called..
[13:08] <Dandel> tjaalton, i did  not use jockey
[13:08] <tjaalton> exactly
[13:08] <Dandel> the steps I said is equivalent of using that
[13:08] <tjaalton> you need to
[13:08] <tjaalton> no it isn't
[13:08] <mlankhorst> and you don't need a aticonfig --initial
[13:08] <tjaalton> it won't touch alternatives
[13:08] <Dandel> no... the ubuntu package should automatically set alternatives.
[13:08] <tjaalton> nope
[13:08] <mlankhorst> UNLESS it's in manual mode
[13:09] <tjaalton> you need to enable the driver..
[13:09] <tjaalton> if you just install it, it isn't enabled
[13:09] <Dandel> with nvidia it was install package and then run nvidia-xconfig.
[13:09] <tjaalton> tseliot: ^
[13:10] <Dandel> and it never gave me any problems going back to mesa ><; ( just uninstall relevant packages and remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[13:10] <mlankhorst> Dandel: I've noticed the same and I think it was just ldconfig was missing after switching alternatives
[13:10] <mlankhorst> and xorg.conf is not needed for fglrx
[13:10] <tjaalton> ok then
[13:10] <tjaalton> maybe I was wrong, has been a while since I tried either
[13:11] <Dandel> the latest amd driver *does* survive the most recent revisions of piglit.
[13:11] <mlankhorst> :o
[13:11] <Dandel> actually the ubuntu ppa is woefully out of date due to the fact the piglit devs have trouble integrating patches :/
[13:12] <Dandel> overzelous devs who don't want to fix the whole building the source code from out of tree.
[13:12] <mlankhorst> lol
[13:12] <mlankhorst> I can just push any fixes, as long as they don't break in-tree builds :P
[13:13] <Dandel> see piglit mailing list.
[13:13] <Dandel> there is a couple of patch queues
[13:13] <Dandel> some of em fix outright improper piglit behavior
[13:13] <Dandel> if you change contexts, using the old glgetstring is a seriously bad idea
[13:14] <mlankhorst> what patches exactly?
[13:15] <Dandel> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/piglit/2013-September/007571.html
[13:15] <Dandel> it's incomplete ><; noticed some other stuff in packages that are missing.
[13:17] <Dandel> patch 7 and 8 are fixing poor glgetstring behaior.
[13:18] <Dandel> patch 6 *should* fix the strndup build bug found in piglit right now
[13:18] <Dandel> patches 1 to 4 are general fixes to  packaging (and installation ) involving cmake in general.
[13:19] <Dandel> and of course patch 5 is a version bump involving cmake for piglit seeing as how they already essentially force cmake 2.8 as is ( via waffle )
[13:20] <Dandel> actually I did notice that on fglrx that aiglx is a little buggy after install on those effected versions.
[13:21] <Dandel> namely that it failed to load /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so :/
[13:22] <mlankhorst> Dandel: oh, dandel sent a reply to it, you need to reply to that first :P
[13:23] <mlankhorst> s/dandel/idr/
[13:23] <mlankhorst> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/piglit/2013-October/007585.html
[13:23] <mlankhorst> hm I'll ping him myself
[13:23] <Dandel> I always build the source out of tree ><;
[13:24] <Dandel> so these fixes are key
[13:24] <tseliot> Dandel: there's no need to run nvidia-xconfig or aticonfig
[13:24] <Dandel> tseliot, it's out of habbit... I've been using the proprietary driver that way for more than 4 years
[13:25] <Dandel> I almost always build the package, and then install said package
[13:25] <tseliot> Dandel: also can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please?
[13:25] <Dandel> 1 sec.
[13:27] <Dandel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204912/
[13:28] <mlankhorst> .dpkg-tmp?
[13:28] <mlankhorst> why do you have a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/extra-modules.dpkg-tmp/ ?
[13:29] <Dandel> no
[13:29] <mlankhorst> it's there in your log
[13:29] <Dandel> at least not with nvidia 325.15 driver
[13:29] <Dandel> i have not shut the pc down yet ><;
[13:29] <mlankhorst> look at your own Xorg.0.log :P
[13:29] <Dandel> that is an copy of the log i had from atigetsysteminfo.sh
[13:31] <tseliot> err... we need a current log
[13:33] <Dandel> that error only started appearing in 13.20.5 ( catalyst 13.8 beta )
[13:33] <Dandel> it did not exist in the 13.101 release
[13:33] <tseliot> also we do provide a file for ldconfig with the driver, so you shouldn't really need to export the path to the libraries
[13:35] <tseliot> Dandel: please reboot, and paste the output of "ldconfig -p | grep GL" (do not set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
[13:36] <Dandel> k... 1 sec restoring the system takes a a bit ( haft to make sure i don't leave the nvidia drivers in when i switch to the ati card )
[13:44] <Dandel> using the fglrx-12 package ( from edgers ppa )
[13:48] <Dandel> tseliot, linker issue
[13:48] <tseliot> Dandel: so it's not my problem
[13:50] <Dandel> paste.ubuntu.com/6204994
[13:51] <Dandel> and... ( this is ldconfig -p | grep  GL ) paste.ubuntu.com/6204999
[13:52] <Dandel> odd... i do not see a libgl.so ( 32-bit ) for fglrx 0o'
[13:55] <tseliot> Dandel: what does "ldconfig -p | grep dri" say?
[13:56] <tseliot> BTW I don't maintain the drivers in edgers, only the ones in the Ubuntu repository
[13:56] <Dandel> i do not see the fglrx dri in the output for that command
[13:58] <Dandel> paste.ubuntu.com/6205018
[13:59] <tseliot> Dandel: what about "update-alternatives --display x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf" ?
[14:00] <Dandel> paste.ubuntu.com/6205024
[14:01] <mlankhorst> what if you just run ldconfig, then ldd /usr/bin/glxgears again?
[14:01] <mlankhorst> well, ldconfig with sudo
[14:02] <Dandel> actually on ubuntu 12.04 lts it's wrather annoying that the opencl driver icd and headers are unavailable ><; ( it's in quantal tho and up tho... that's on the list of stuff needed for current versions of piglit )
[14:03] <Dandel> paste.ubuntu.com/6205043
[14:05] <Dandel> mlankhorst, i have no idea why i have  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/extra-modules.dpkg-tmp/
[14:05] <mlankhorst> rm -rf it
[14:05] <Dandel> but it does link to /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_xorg_extra_modules
[14:06] <mlankhorst> oh just rm it then :p
[14:06] <mlankhorst> anyway that looks better, try again now?
[14:06] <Dandel> rming that link did not fix the direct rendering.
[14:07] <Dandel> odd...
[14:07] <Dandel> adding just this path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH fixed it... /usr/lib32/fglrx
[14:07] <Dandel> did i forget to mention i'm on amd64 ><;
[14:08] <mlankhorst> that should not exist
[14:08] <Dandel> i do not think that is entirely the issue.
[14:08] <tjaalton> the package does install stuff there
[14:08] <mlankhorst> oh
[14:09] <tjaalton> too
[14:09] <Dandel> that solves it.
[14:09] <Dandel> 1 sec while i get a console output of ldconfig -p :)
[14:11] <Dandel> paste.ubuntu.com/6205065
[14:11] <Dandel> that is *before* and after adding usr/lib32/fglrx to the ld_library_path
[14:11] <mlankhorst> ok so I guess you just didn
[14:11] <Dandel> ack ><;
[14:11] <mlankhorst> run ldconfig then :p
[14:12] <Dandel> something else is missing ><;
[14:19] <mlankhorst> just restart xorg i guess
[14:21] <Dandel> hmm... xorg failure
[14:21] <Dandel> undefined symbol firegl_getuefisupported in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
[14:26] <Dandel> 0o' is there ever a reason for update-alternatives to complain during install?
[14:26] <Dandel> oh well... reinstalling the package fixed xorg :/
[14:27] <Dandel> steam still complains about a lack of direct contexts
[14:32] <Dandel> hmm... tjaalton, do you know why there is no 32-bit glxinfo ? ( i think there is a need to have this because there is a slight issue where libGL.so is overwitten for 64-bit binaries but 32-bit binaries are ignored.
[14:35] <tjaalton> what 32bit binaries?
[14:35] <mlankhorst> Dandel: apt-get install mesa-utils:i386
[14:35] <tjaalton> no
[14:35] <tjaalton> it's not multiarch
[14:35] <tjaalton> oh
[14:35] <mlankhorst> :P
[14:35] <tjaalton> well you can install either or
[14:35] <tjaalton> i guess
[14:35] <mlankhorst> it's what i do
[14:39] <Dandel> 0o' and it messes up other packages to boot
[14:39] <Dandel> now i have 4 other packages to reinstall ><;
[14:40] <Dandel> the 32-bit glxinfo has that issue :)
[14:41] <Dandel> i honestly wonder why this line is not in ldconfig -p | grep fglrx output...
[14:41] <Dandel> libGL.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so
[14:42] <Dandel> err... lib32... but still the point is sound.
[14:42] <mlankhorst> you probably messed up your system in an interesting way
[14:42] <mlankhorst> just wipe it and start over? :p
[14:43] <Dandel> that's a bit difficult... there is problems on another system where uefi and dual boot is a nightmare.
[14:44] <Dandel> i own two uefi compatible amd systems and the hitch on both of em is that win7 + linux do not play nicely on multiple levels ( for example hybernate on windows is lost )
[14:47] <Dandel> mlankhorst, i doubt that i screwed it up that bad... when I remove fglrx i always run the following set of commands. paste.ubuntu.com/6205205
[14:48] <tjaalton> where do you paster these links from? they are lacking http:// and terminator doesn't understand them ;)
[14:49] <Dandel> tjaalton, it's called typing it in.
[14:49] <tjaalton> right, isn't that a lot of work?
[14:49] <tjaalton> and *paste
[14:50] <Dandel> not when your on two different computers.
[14:50] <tjaalton> k
[14:55] <mlankhorst> and another thing you really really do not need to run aticonfig, just another way to mess things up
[14:57] <Dandel> fixed it... had some stray fixes from one of the times the ati installer/uninstaller screwed up :/
[14:58] <Dandel> i had to wipe out /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libati*
[14:58] <Dandel> and then reinstall the driver
[14:59] <Dandel> now steam does not complain either.
[15:45] <mlankhorst> Dandel: hm do you have the piglit changes in a branch?
[17:25] <pepee> tjaalton, tyvm, it's fixed now :)
[18:00] <tjaalton> pepee: good to hear :)


[08:00] <pensacola_> Hi all, I finally got the approval for adacamp and got my visa, so I'll be there, who else will be present?
[19:51] <melodie> hello
[20:02] <dee> Hello.
[20:03] <dee> Is someone here maintaining the Ubuntu Women website?
[20:08] <dee> ok, I will try to reach someone per mail ...


[00:06] <hads> Meh, a week after shifting to IMAP+ on Evolution things have gone downhill. All of a sudden it can't remember my IMAP passwords anymore which is relatively annoying.
[00:08] <ibeardslee> just the problem with passwords or IMAP+ has gone bad?
[00:09] <ibeardslee> My problem I had when I tried IMAP+ was forgetting to change the port :(
[00:10] <hads> Just the passwords problem, and it magically marks messages as unread when moving folders occasionally. Both problems have appeared on two different boxes.
[00:11] <hads> Having a password dialog popup every few minutes is a little tedius though.
[00:31] <ibeardslee> yeah that would be quite suck .. so the solution is to remember or change your passwords?
[00:50]  * G hands hads a muttrc file :P
[04:35] <hads> I do have a muttrc, I've just never got into CLI mail for some reason.
[04:43] <mwhudson> i've never really got other the "wtf is going on" point with mutt
[04:47] <ojwb> it's a pretty standard email UI
[05:10] <G> I only got used to mutt after I had used irssi for a good few years, plus running mutt against local maildir is so much better than remote imap :)
[07:12] <hads> I've used irssi for years, mutt not enough yet to make it stick
[18:33] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:40] <chilts> morning
[19:27] <ajmitch> morning
[19:37] <chilts> I didn't realise that Oracle had 'retired' the license for distributors to distribute Java
[19:37] <chilts> I don't use or need it, but it's pretty sad
[19:38] <chilts> though I guess that'll mean the openjdk will get better as people fix things (I hope)
[19:39] <lifeless> hmm, whatnow?
[19:46] <chilts> lifeless: just got this one sent out to Security Announce - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[19:47] <lifeless> wow
[19:47] <lifeless> oracle stuuupid
[19:48] <ajmitch> they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot like that, since they know they'll rake in money from other places
[19:49] <ibeardslee> yeap .. add that to this .. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/410298/university_accuses_oracle_extortion_lies_rigged_demo_lawsuit
[19:50] <ajmitch> there's no shortage of examples of oracle being bad
[19:51] <chilts> indeed
[19:56] <lifeless> http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the
[20:09] <chilts> well, that's certainly a more interesting article
[20:14] <ajmitch> the clarifications also state that for something to be marked compatible, it'll have to be derived from openjdk
[20:19] <ibeardslee> which seems to imply that ubuntu announcement is not all that bad after all
[20:21] <ajmitch> assuming that stuff works equally well on the oracle JDK & openjdk
[20:21] <ibeardslee> this is true
[20:22] <ajmitch> that oracle blog post implied that the java plugin isn't part of openjdk
[20:22] <ajmitch> or at least not part of the standard
[20:31] <mwhudson> not containing the browser plugin definitely sounds like a useful feature
[20:32] <thumper> morning
[21:23] <ojwb> morning
[21:25] <ojwb> i get the strong impression that use of the java plugin has declined greatly
[21:25] <ojwb> i don't have one installed, and I can't recall the last time I noticed, whereas sites nag me several times a day about not having flash
[21:47] <chilts> I think Java in the browser died in around 1998 for me
[21:48] <chilts> ok, maybe 1999


[00:05] <mhall119> hey AlanBell, where should I put links to phone mockups?
[00:05] <mhall119> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/uphone/#
[00:08] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/Designs
[00:09] <AlanBell> looks nice mhall119
[00:13] <DrDruif> Ah, still with switching the Unity bar down when in portrait mode?
[00:13] <DrDruif> mhall119; you heard the wiki-pages are updated?
[00:14] <mhall119> DrDruif: yeah, since the design around the launcher was to use the abundant space, and preserve the scarce space
[00:14] <mhall119> I just added my links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/Designs
[00:14] <DrDruif> Great =)
[00:15] <DrDruif> I actually like these mock-ups: http://nrutledge.blogspot.com/p/ubuntu-mobile-project.html
[00:16] <mhall119> DrDruif: yeah, those are nice
[00:16] <dmj726> mhall119: is that mockup of yours done in pencil?
[00:17] <dmj726> seems more like inkscape
[00:19] <mhall119> dmj726: it's Pencil, yes
[02:45] <eldron2323> Are there any UI designers here?
[20:53] <mhall119> AlanBell: what do you think of my indicators mockups http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/uphone/# ?
[20:53] <mhall119> I was watching a video of Ubuntu on a new tablet, and trying to get an indicator icon with your finger seemed awkward to difficult
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> Full screen indicators?
[20:55] <mhall119> full screen indicator menus
[20:55] <mhall119> but accessing them by dragging down the top-panel, then swiping left and right, rather than trying to hit the icon itself
[20:56] <mhall119> kind of a mix between how you access Android notifications and how you can navigate desktop Unity with the keyboard
[20:56] <AlanBell> ooooh nice mhall119
[20:56] <mhall119> it's nice in that it allows us to access all of Unity's indicators from the pull-down screen, not just notifications like in Android
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> When you get a new email (just an example) it shows in the top-bar, but shows in the pull-down menu
[20:57] <mhall119> so you get network, sound menu (including playback controls) and calendar all from there
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> With a nice big banner style button to access it
[20:58] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: it turns the message indicator blue, dragging down shows you what is in the messaging menu, including mailbox counts
[20:58] <mhall119> pressing the Inbox item opens your inbox
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> On android those lines are about twice as high, this is still a very small line to hit
[21:00] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: yeah, my scale is probably too small
[21:00] <mhall119> but I like the visual
[21:34] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: I spaced them out a little more, and on my 15" display at least, they are actual-size for my phone
[21:34]  * mhall119 is poking my non-touch screen to feel how difficult they are to hit
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> And? Do they respond good to your input? =P
[21:36] <mhall119> they are still a little tight, but I'm not sure if that's because touching my screen is awkward, or because of their dimensions, but it's very close to being *right*
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> Did you update the view link?
[22:49] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: same URL, just refresh
[22:49] <mhall119> it doesn't look much different, I only changed the spacing by a handful of pixels between each item
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I didn't see much difference, that's why I asked
[22:51] <mhall119> if there isn't a wayward battery icon on the landscape indicators phone, then you've got the latest


[01:57] <switchgirl> why does ubuntu one half work?
[01:58] <switchgirl> and when if ever is there going to be a windows ubuntuone client so I can accsess my files from the 98% of machines in the world?
[01:58] <switchgirl> why am I paying  for something that won't work?
[01:59] <switchgirl> gogles gmail was working properly - even in Beta
[01:59] <switchgirl> really frustrated
[02:00] <switchgirl> anyone awake?
[02:00] <switchgirl> !help
[02:00] <switchgirl> !ubuntuone
[02:01] <switchgirl> lulz see
[02:07] <jcastro> seg|ars: meet mattgriffin!
[02:07] <seg|ars> hello!
[02:07] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: hello :)
[02:07] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: i think we met on a phone conversation with statik in may
[02:07] <seg|ars> ah yes
[02:08] <seg|ars> mattgriffin: I'm curious about where all of the data is stored. I guess the file sync is using s3, right? But what about the tomboy notes and contact info
[02:09] <jcastro> seg|ars: when you're done sandy can answer your questions on the tomboy sync on #tomboy, I think rodrigo is asleep
[02:10] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: the architecture is a split between s3 and our data center. you're correct about the files. i'll have to check on the couchdb-dependent features like notes and contacts
[02:11] <seg|ars> are there any apis for third-party apps to use the contact info?
[02:11] <seg|ars> or would third-party apps just pull it out of the local couch instance?
[02:13] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: third-party apps would use the local contacts couch instance. in the future, though, that local couch instance could also store the app's data ... then the app user gets the benefit of more synchronization. i think quickly is well down that path.
[02:14] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: the couchdb's are stored in our data center
[02:15] <seg|ars> how does the local couch stuff get synced with the data center? is it possible to push over any arbitrary data from couch?
[02:15] <seg|ars> is it using regular couchdb replication or a custom protocol?
[02:18] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: it's using regular couchdb replication. Staurt covers this in his blog post here: http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/09/03/desktop-couch-irc-talk
[02:18] <seg|ars> thanks
[02:18] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: see "sharing data between machines"
[02:19] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: we've been working with the couch guys on the security pieces but it uses the regular replication
[02:22] <seg|ars> mattgriffin: the web ui for ubuntu one is not going to change significantly before the release, right?
[02:24] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: we just released updates today in preparation for 9.10 so no more changes for a little while.
[02:24] <seg|ars> ok
[02:25] <seg|ars> how much of ubuntuone is open source right now?
[02:25] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: busy time for the data center guys getting ready for the flood downloading the release
[02:28] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: no change since we last talked (ubuntuone-client)... though we also have desktopcouch and bindwood that are open.
[02:28] <seg|ars> bindwood is the bookmark sync, right?
[02:28] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: right
[02:29] <seg|ars> is that enabled by default?
[02:29] <jcastro> no, it's in universe
[02:29] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: no. with all of the Ubuntu dealines we needed to meet, we didn't have quite enough time to get it to a stable enough place.
[02:29] <seg|ars> ah
[02:30] <seg|ars> is it still really buggy or is it just not perfect?
[02:31] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: heh. it's getting better every day. we were having some serious problems with it early on, but those are mostly out of the way.
[02:31] <seg|ars> is there bookmark data loss risk?
[02:31] <seg|ars> is it something that a beta-friendly technology enthusiast (my readers) would be comfortable using?
[02:32] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: the early problems were mostly related to bindwood authenticating with desktopcouch.
[02:32] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: it's an early beta product now
[02:32] <seg|ars> ok cool
[02:33] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: enthusiasts... yes.
[02:37] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: sorry. i forgot to mention a couple other open source pieces: evolution-couchdb and ubuntuone-storage-protocol.
[02:38] <seg|ars> what is ubuntuone-storage-protocol?
[02:41] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: checking to see if any of the more technical guys can provide a better answer than 'it's the storage protocol that we use' :)
[02:41] <seg|ars> is it the file sync storage protocol?
[02:42] <seg|ars> I looked at the source code for that when I did my initial coverage, but I think it's been rewritten since then
[02:43] <mattgriffin> seg|ars: yes. it's used for file syncing
[02:43] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, hi, what questions do you have
[02:44] <seg|ars> the file sync implementation was rewritten since the original implementation, right?
[02:44] <seg|ars> I think I read somewhere that it's not all Python anymore?
[02:45] <seg|ars> I suppose I should just have a look at the code
[02:45] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, yes
[02:46] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, no that's all python
[02:46] <webm0nk3y> there are some gui bits written in c
[02:46] <seg|ars> the gui bits for nautilus integration?
[02:46] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, i believe so
[02:47] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, ubuntuone-storage-protocol is no longer used
[02:47] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, what you want to look at is python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol
[02:48] <seg|ars> ah thanks
[02:48] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, that's the piece between the syncdaemon and our servers. in theory, you could write your own client with it
[02:48] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, it uses google protocol buffers
[02:48] <seg|ars> to work with third-party servers?
[02:49] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, well...more like your own client to talk to ubuntuone servers
[02:49] <seg|ars> ah
[02:49] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, but you could write your own server i suppose
[02:49] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, the client wouldn't know really
[02:49] <seg|ars> would it theoretically be possible to use the protobuf definitions to build a server-side implementation?
[02:50] <webm0nk3y> seg|ars, yes, but that's like saying you can build a palace if you have the drawbridge
[02:50] <seg|ars> ok
[02:50] <webm0nk3y> well...perhaps i shouldn't liken our system to a palace just yet ;)
[02:50] <seg|ars> haha
[02:51] <webm0nk3y> given any interface you can fabricate both sides of it
[02:52] <webm0nk3y> the thing is, the storageprotocol doesn't really expose a lot of the details of the messages going back/forth
[13:59] <dobey> lookin' in my gucci it's about that time
[14:00] <urbanape> my rolex is running a few minutes off, I guess.
[14:00] <urbanape> piece of crap.
[14:00] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS : Please respond "me" to take part in the Desktop+ developers meeting. dobey rodrigo_ CardinalFang aquarius urbanape teknico vds1 statik
[14:00] <urbanape> me
[14:00] <rodrigo_> no watch here, but I know I have finished cooking and food is waiting on the table, so yeah, it's about time :D
[14:00] <rodrigo_> me
[14:00] <jblount> me
[14:00] <CardinalFang> me
[14:00] <dobey> heh
[14:00] <dobey> me
[14:00] <melter> does ubuntuone support OSs other than ubuntu?
[14:01] <dobey> melter: it will run on any linux, so long as the dependencies are satisfied
[14:01] <dobey> the file sharing client anyway
[14:02] <dobey> the contacts, notes, and bookmarks syncing might work on windows and osx already, if someone built them for it
[14:03] <teknico> me
[14:03] <jblount> urbanape: Go for it
[14:03] <urbanape> DONE: Cut a branch to wire up "Stop Sharing / Cancel Sharing" buttons in web ui. (Bug #427766)
[14:03] <urbanape> TODO: Finish and push it
[14:03] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[14:03] <urbanape> rodrigo_, go go go
[14:03] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Fixed XML<->HTML converter
[14:03] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine?
[14:03] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[14:03] <rodrigo_> go jblount!
[14:03] <jblount> DONE: Got robot drawn, bugs sorted, branch to cleanup /account/machines/
[14:03] <jblount> TODO: Windows VMs setup to start IE testing (ugh), Get started on some details for the /files/ interface that haven't been addressed, draw more robots
[14:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[14:03] <jblount> CardinalFang: rocknroll
[14:03] <aquarius> me
[14:04] <dobey> la la la
[14:04] <CardinalFang> DONE: log secrecy minor bug.  datacenter couchdb patched again.
[14:04] <CardinalFang> TODO: help with datacenter crashes.
[14:04] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: no.
[14:04] <CardinalFang> dobey, please.
[14:04] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Mostly fixed NM dependency (#357395), Fixed some mail filters
[14:04] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Finish fixing NM issues (#357395), Fix more bugs
[14:04] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[14:04] <dobey> teknico: ciao
[14:04] <teknico> DONE: checked that the 404 contacts problem is solved for the users that reported it (#458446); done reviews
[14:04] <teknico> TODO: more reviews; integrate the client-side code needed by delete buttons on repeatable sections of the contacts edit form (#439093)
[14:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[14:04] <teknico> next: aquarius
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: various small couchish things; test third-level cookies work
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: look at oauth-enabling twisted; make tomboy first-sync experience nicer; work on desktopcouch developer docs
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[14:05] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 0 (!!)
[14:05] <aquarius> I think I'm last
[14:06] <jblount> EOM indeed, thanks all!
[14:06] <vds1> me
[14:06] <rodrigo_> ok /me goes back to food
[14:07] <vds1> DONE: testing on file sharing, desktopcouch, bindwood and tomboy
[14:07] <vds1> TODO: everything is needed for the release :)
[14:07] <vds1> BLOCKED: nope
[14:10] <jblount> vds1: :), thanks!
[14:10] <vds> jblount: sorry for the delay
[14:14] <jblount> vds: No worries, it should be expected when we have 5 minute meetings :)
[14:22] <dobey> blah
[14:22] <dobey> i guess i have to call to set up water and cable
[15:36] <Scunizi> When using ubuntuone with a web browser there doesn't seem to be a way to delete files that I"ve uploaded.  Am I missing something or is that feature only available in the 9.10 release integration?
[15:44] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: you should be able to click on a file (not the name, just the area around it) and get a trash can showing up
[15:44] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: do you see that icon when you select a file?
[16:10] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: sorry.. had a call. yes I did do that and the can shows up.. but I had to click more in the area close the the "Size" column.  It doesn't seem overly intuitive for someone with no experience.  Now to actually delete the file do I have to click the trash can or is it automatic at that point?  If it's automatic and I want to change my mind, how do I remove the trash can?
[16:11] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: you have to click the trash can to actually delete the file
[16:12] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: i agree, it's not completely obvious how to delete a file
[16:13] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: thanks for your help again.. Nice to see the cookie issue resolved.. I'm in #ubuntu a lot and have notice some increased interest in ubuntuone as a service.
[16:13] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: thanks for the support and kind words!
[16:14] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: kudo's where they belong :)
[16:18] <ukev> hi urbanape, any news on bindwood? ;)
[16:18] <ukev> you mentioned a ppa, does that already exist?
[16:18] <urbanape> our PPA exists, but a new version of bindwood hasn't rolled out yet.
[16:19] <urbanape> I believe it'll be in the u1 PPA.
[16:20] <ukev> ok, but I can add the ppa to my sources to see (become noticed) when an update is rolled out...
[16:20] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: any plans that you know of to incorporate calendar sync along with the contacts?
[16:20] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: none right now
[16:21] <ukev> task sync? ;)
[16:21] <joshuahoover> ukev: possible, we haven't discussed that one in particular
[16:21] <ukev> ok, is contact-sync ready to test?
[16:23] <joshuahoover> ukev: not quite yet...we're working out one last thing...once it's ready, i'll be sure to announce all over the place :)
[16:24] <ukev> thanks :)
[18:27] <switchgirl> hi ubuntuone has list my files kept my folders - I pay or the service
[18:35] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: gettin' another error when trying to upload files.. "This webpage is not available .. https://files.one.ubuntu.com/upload/ might be temporarily down or may have moved permanently to a new web address"..
[18:35] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: hmmm...
[18:36] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: is it consistent? happening all the time? (just to help troubleshoot, shouldn't happen at all, obviously)
[18:36] <dobey> switchgirl: joshuahoover might be able to help you. can you explain further what your issue is?
[18:37] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: i'm not sure i understand your question
[18:37] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: just in the last 5 minutes.. prior to that it was working..
[18:37] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: i'm checking it here now
[18:40] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: under "more information" it shows "Error 7 (net::ERR_TIMED_OUT): The operation timed out.
[18:41] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: we've got someone looking into this right now, thanks for letting us know!
[18:42] <joshuahoover> Scunizi: it's taking my small text file forever to upload, probably same issue based on the timeout error you posted here
[18:42] <Scunizi> joshuahoover: thanks.. !
[18:55] <switchgirl> joshuahoover: I can't get files to upload I add folders it strips the data from the folder and looses the data but makes a new file
[18:55] <switchgirl> so I am left without files just folders
[18:56] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: you're doing this through the client or web?
[18:56] <switchgirl> both its not me either it's the software
[18:57] <switchgirl> the fact I can't d/l the software I uploaded to the server is a bit rubbish
[18:57] <switchgirl> means I have to use a hdd at a clients pc
[18:58] <switchgirl> not good if the client has a virus
[19:01] <switchgirl> joshuahoover: ?
[19:01] <switchgirl> why won't it work on the site nore the client
[19:02] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: can you file a bug for this so i can take a look at log files and continue to troubleshoot with you here? right-click on the ubuntu one client and select "Report a Problem"
[19:02] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: i'm not sure, but getting these log files in a bug will help me start investigating as i'll have more details :)
[19:03] <dobey> switchgirl: if you upload via the web, you have to upload each file individually, there isn't really any easy way to upload a whole directory to a web site
[19:04] <switchgirl> don't worry the website is broken it won't work it the terms of can't upload at all
[19:05] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: there is an issue with uploading files right now, we're fixing that currently, my apologies for that inconvenience
[19:05] <dobey> i don't understand what you're saying
[19:05] <switchgirl> I pay for it joshuahoover
[19:05] <switchgirl> I'm on benefit
[19:06] <switchgirl> ie 50 quid a week to live on.... 7 quid a lot to pay for a service that half works
[19:06] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: i understand and we want to get this working for you...have you had a chance to file a bug by any chance? it sounds like you're having problems with the client that the log files will may give me more details to help you with
[19:07] <switchgirl> I just filed anouther one
[19:07] <switchgirl> 7th time this week I think
[19:07] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: do you have the url or bug number?
[19:15] <switchgirl> joshuahoover: not lettin me go to ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[19:16] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: do you get some sort of error?
[19:16] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: do you have a bug # or url i can look at?
[19:17] <switchgirl> I'm trying to file one
[19:17] <switchgirl> it won't be helpful to file a bug form without the log files
[19:17] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: if you go to ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log in a terminal session, can you see any files there?
[19:19] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/303773/
[19:19] <switchgirl> yes there are files there
[19:20] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: you said you weren't able to get to syncdaemon.log? not able to open it or attach it to a bug?
[19:20] <switchgirl> nautilus won't allow me to vview it
[19:21] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: ok, in nautilus, if you click on View->Show Hidden Files that should let you see hidden files
[19:28] <Scunizi> CTRL+H works too
[19:28] <joshuahoover> thanks Scunizi! :)
[19:31] <switchgirl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/462829 oh ok
[19:32] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: looking at it now
[19:32] <switchgirl> k
[19:36] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: can you also try attaching your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log file to this bug while i'm investigating this? really appreciate it!
[19:37] <switchgirl> sure     how though
[19:37] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: good question! on the bottom of the bug page, you should see an "Add an attachment" link, click on that
[19:38] <switchgirl> how to view the file I mean
[19:39] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: once there, click on the "Browse" button and click on the pencil and paper icon...then put in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log in the "location" bar that appears...that should get you to the folder with the syncdaemon.log file
[19:41] <switchgirl> Cannot upload empty file.
[19:42] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: hmmm...
[19:42] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: if you do this in a terminal session, can you let me know if anything outputs? more ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[19:44] <Slam-er> joshuahoover ping
[19:44] <joshuahoover> Slam-er: pong
[19:45] <Slam-er> My Ubuntu One folder got renamed this morning to Ubuntu One.1uconflict, is there are reason for that?
[19:46] <Scunizi> switchgirl: you can also install pastbinit for terminal pastebin access.. after install then just .. pastebinit ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log ... and it will return a url for pasting here.
[19:46] <Slam-er> Nothing has changed other then I did open one document for editing this morning. I'm still in the process of uploading all of my data (the process has been interuptted a few times as I move the laptop)
[19:46] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/303792/
[19:48] <Scunizi> switchgirl: I think that's what joshuahoover wanted you to paste to your bug report..
[19:49] <verterok> switchgirl: that is only one bit of the log
[19:49] <switchgirl> oh
[19:50] <joshuahoover> Slam-er: it's tough to say, there is a bug report out there with a similar situation that we're looking into...give me a few to find that bug
[19:50] <Slam-er> okay
[19:50] <verterok> switchgirl: could you execute the following in a terminal session?: tar -cjf ~/Desktop/syndaemon-logs.tar.bz2 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[19:50] <joshuahoover> verterok: thanks! :)
[19:50] <verterok> switchgirl: then from the bug page in launchpad attach that file to the bug
[19:50] <switchgirl> press f5
[19:51] <verterok> switchgirl: using the "add attachment" link
[19:51] <switchgirl> ok    what's the difference?
[19:51] <verterok> switchgirl: when you click on the Browse button, you can go the desktop and pick the syndaemon-logs.tar.bz2 file :)
[19:53] <switchgirl> ktop:~$ tar -cjf ~/Desktop/syndaemon-logs.tar.bz2 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logtar: Removing leading `/' from member names
[19:53] <verterok> switchgirl: you have the file in the Desktop instead in a hidden folder, and it contains all the syncdaemon logs compressed (to make the upload faster)
[19:53] <verterok> switchgirl: ok, that's ok
[19:59] <switchgirl> ok
[20:00] <joshuahoover> Slam-er: didn't forget about you, (finally) found the bug i was thinking of: bug 456546
[20:00] <Slam-er> no problem, I'll take a look
[20:02] <Slam-er> yup, that seem's about right I guess... are there known issues with partially complete uploads? In my case I've uploaded 4gb, I have about another 8gb to go but the applet say's my files are up to date, my uploads have been interuppted a couple of times, not sure if that is causing problems
[20:05] <verterok> switchgirl: do you have the folder: "Ubuntu One" in your Home directory?
[20:05] <switchgirl> joshuahoover:  you work for shuttleworth?
[20:05] <switchgirl> verterok: yes
[20:05] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: yes
[20:06] <verterok> switchgirl: and it was ever renamed to "Ubuntu One.u1conflict" ?
[20:06] <switchgirl> I click connect it rejects the connection
[20:06] <switchgirl> yes
[20:10] <joshuahoover> Slam-er: i've seen instances where a fairly slow internet connection (or slow response from us on the server side) seems to wreck havoc on the upload sync...it's been next to impossible for me to reproduce so far...anyway, can you file a new bug and then attach your log files found in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log there? ($ tar -cjf ~/Desktop/u1-logs.tar.bz2 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log )
[20:11] <Slam-er> I'm adding a comment to the bug you showed me, you want my log files as well?
[20:12] <switchgirl> joshuahoover: that would be a yes then
[20:13] <joshuahoover> Slam-er: you can add them there, sure...it may be a bit messier to keep track of, but i'll deal with that :)
[20:13] <verterok> switchgirl: that yes was for my question regardin Ubuntu One.u1conflict?
[20:13] <Slam-er> okay, I'll add what I can
[20:13] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: i'm sorry, "that would be a yes then"?
[20:13] <verterok> *regarding
[20:14] <switchgirl> I asked who you worked for "do you work for mr shuttleworth"
[20:14] <switchgirl> verterok: yeah I have that folder
[20:15] <verterok> switchgirl: please chekc if all your files are in it :)
[20:15] <verterok> *check
[20:15]  * verterok can't write today
[20:15] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: ah yes, i replied yes to your question earlier :) sorry, lots of messages flying around
[20:16] <switchgirl> it does have the folders and files :) but still not where I want them,
[20:16] <verterok> switchgirl: ok, let's go step by step :)
[20:16] <verterok> switchgirl: so your data wasn't lost, that;s a relief :)
[20:17] <verterok> switchgirl: did you put new files in the "Ubuntu One"?
[20:17] <switchgirl> joshuahoover:  forgive me I'm dreading next week (may start a temp job 37 hours a week 12 hours a day and ontop of that overtime)
[20:18] <verterok> joshuahoover: looks like switchgirl hitted the Ubuntu One.u1conflict bug
[20:19] <joshuahoover> verterok: alright...how can i help troubleshoot this? i see what bug 456546 says, and can attempt to reproduce by deleting all files from the u1 folder...do you have further thoughts on what might be causing it?
[20:21] <verterok> joshuahoover: looks like is a combination of uploads and disconnections, I wasn't able to define a pattern :/
[20:21] <joshuahoover> verterok: perfect! ;)
[20:21] <switchgirl> its more the fact I have paid for a service that won't work (in legal terms a contract has been formed between ubuntu and myself and ubuntuone are breaching that) :s
[20:21] <switchgirl> that's just what my professor said
[20:22] <joshuahoover> verterok: well, i know i was able to reproduce one issue today with disconnects during sync to a 2nd computer...wondering if i need to try something similar but deleting files instead
[20:23] <verterok> switchgirl: I can try to help you fix your client, in order to get it working again
[20:23] <switchgirl> ok verterok
[20:24] <joshuahoover> switchgirl: we're doing our best to get to the bottom of this and are truly sorry that ubuntu one is not working better for you...in the mean time, i'd love it if you could continue to work with verterok to get things working properly for you ...i'm going to be busy trying to reproduce this issue so that we can get some exact steps that help the developers to narrow down the possibilities and test this out
[20:24] <switchgirl> ok
[20:25] <verterok> switchgirl: ok, let's do some sanity checks first
[20:25] <switchgirl> ok
[20:25] <verterok> switchgirl: did you copy/moved any new files into the "Ubuntu One" after it started to do crazy stuff?
[20:25] <switchgirl> im tired and frustrated that's all
[20:26] <switchgirl> no
[20:26] <switchgirl> tbh it happened after there was a power cut
[20:26] <switchgirl> it happens when it doesn't shut down correctly
[20:27] <switchgirl> its like a lost files (kinda like lost&found) I think
[20:27] <verterok> switchgirl: ok, that's good info. thanks
[20:27] <verterok> switchgirl: so, let's try to recover from this crash.
[20:28] <switchgirl> all other files are fine - just ubuntuone
[20:29] <verterok> switchgirl: we are going copy (not move, in order to avoid any data loss) the files in Ubuntu One.u1conflict into Ubuntu One, please execute the following command in a terminal session
[20:30] <verterok> switchgirl: sorry, first turn off/quit the client if it's running
[20:30] <verterok> switchgirl: once the client isn't running, execute this in a terminal session: cp -a ~/Ubuntu\ One.u1conflict/* ~/Ubuntu\ One
[20:49] <verterok> switchgirl: around?, after looking in detail to your logs, looks like the power failure broked the log files and probably the client metadata too :(
[20:55] <kjoller> Hi Everyone. I am trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Contacts. Everything seems to go according to plan (except for a couple of errors on copying some of the contacts). But the contacts do not show up on the web interface. Are they supposed to? Any idea what I am doing wrong?
[20:56] <kjoller> Oh, I am using the freshly updated 9.10 RC
[20:56] <joshuahoover> kjoller: we're still working on the final link there...hope to have good news soon...i'll announce here and in the forums, mailing list, twitter, identi.ca
[20:57] <kjoller> Oh, great, I was not aware that it was not ready yet. Is the ETA comparable to the karmic release (i.e. tomorrow), or is it another schedule entirely?
[20:58] <joshuahoover> kjoller: we're aiming for tomorrow (we were hoping for long before tomorrow, but software development has a funny way of modifying even the best of plans)
[21:01] <kjoller> joshuahoover: Sounds fair. I'll be following closely on identi.ca, then :) Happy Hacking
[21:01] <verterok> switchgirl: I think joshuahoover's cleanup instructions might help to cleanup your setup, then: 1) start the client 2) wait to fully sync with what's in the server 3) copy the contents of Ubuntu One.u1conflict into Ubuntu One (please make sure you'r copying and not moving the files)
[21:01] <joshuahoover> thanks kjoller!
[21:30] <FrankRoberts> hi guys
[21:30] <joshuahoover> hi FrankRoberts
[21:30] <FrankRoberts> does anyone here know where i can add ideas for ubuntu one?
[21:30] <FrankRoberts> except brainstorm? ;)
[21:31] <joshuahoover> FrankRoberts: you can submit a bug and we'll classify it as a wishlist item
[21:31] <dobey> oh ideas
[21:31]  * dobey read that as 'icons'
[21:31] <FrankRoberts> its not a bug its just an idea of how it could work better
[21:31] <FrankRoberts> :) lol
[21:32] <dobey> FrankRoberts: technically speaking, anything that's not working ideally, is a bug
[21:32] <dobey> FrankRoberts: 'bug' is probably the wrong word generally though, as 'bugs' is a tracking system, not necessarily for only bugs
[21:33] <FrankRoberts> so launchpad is the way to go?
[21:46] <sandy|lurk> If I want to file a bug against the Tomboy UI on the U1 server, which component should I file against?
[21:50] <dobey> sandy|lurk: against the notes web ui?
[21:50] <dobey> sandy|lurk: ubuntuone-servers
[21:50] <sandy|lurk> thanks dobey
[21:52] <dobey> sure
[21:56] <dobey> later
[22:05] <statik> hey sandy|lurk, nice to see you here. your bug reports are always welcome
[22:05] <sandy|lurk> statik: thanks, they're just nitpicks about the UI...the syncing is working fine so far and I haven't tried editing yet
[22:06] <statik> sandy|lurk: cool, i'm sure there's polish still needed. I've been poking around at a little web UI optimized for mobile browers to show your notes, but nothing working yet
[22:06] <statik> so i can get my notes on my phone
[22:06] <sandy|lurk> statik: what kind of phone?
[22:07] <statik> i've got an iphone right now, but it seems like android/palm pre/iphone all have pretty amazing browsers
[22:07] <sandy|lurk> although a mobile-friendly UI is great (and we intend to do one for Snowy, too), notes are often the kind of thing you want immediately even if you have no data connection
[22:07] <sandy|lurk> so we have a lot of interest in developing full mobile note clients
[22:07] <sandy|lurk> with local storage, syncing, etc
[22:08] <sandy|lurk> with MonoTouch out now, it should be pretty easy to do for iPhone, reusing code from Tomboy
[22:08] <sandy|lurk> and of course there are the guys working on Tomdroid for Android devices


[06:48] <vibhav> How can I help?
[06:49] <micahg> well, we're looking for someone to help with seamonkey
[06:50] <vibhav> ok
[06:50] <vibhav> how do I help with seamonkey?
[06:52] <micahg> well, I actually need to be working on something right now, will you be around over the weekend?
[06:52] <vibhav> sure!
[07:18] <vibhav> micahg: What would I do?
[13:50] <philinux> Hi chrisccoulson
[13:55] <philinux> chrisccoulson: Hi, Does this meet the requirements for this bug or is anything else required. Thanks. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/602265/comments/19
[13:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 602265 in hundredpapercuts "Maverick: The defaut livecd and installed firefox bookmarks could do with updating." [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:50] <philinux> ping chrisccoulson
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> sigh, i wish this silverwave dude would stop copying our beta packages and publishing them before we've even tested them
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> and i wish he'd stop copying them without all the supporting packages too
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> he's not going to have much luck with the new beta without the flash packages in our PPA too (assuming he has flash installed)
[18:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you try e-mail him?
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> i've already asked him politely to wait until we've tested and published them
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> seems he ignored me though ;)
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> i wouldn't mind so much if he was building his own packages, but he's literally just copying the binaries from our PPA
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> the ones with my name on
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[12:50] <uzer8738473> What is the command name for the Screenshot" program? I want to use that one, instead of "xfce-screenshot"
[12:51] <knome> uzer8738473, we don't know which screenshot application you are talking about
[12:51] <uzer8738473> named "Screenshot"
[12:51] <knome> that doesn't really tell much, does it?
[12:51] <knome> i mean that's likely the name in the software center, but it isn't enough to know which it is
[12:53] <uzer8738473> knome:What i want to is the following. When i press "prScr" button on my laptop, i get a screenshot taking menu, which lacks the option to select a region of the screen. However, while using the "Screenshot" application from "Accessories", i am able to select a region of the screen. I want to be able to choose the option "Select a region", when i will press the "prScr" button on the keyboard.
[12:54] <knome> that is xfce4-screenshooter
[12:55] <uzer8738473> knome:So, should i only assign the xfce-screenshooter command with a "prScr" button?
[12:55] <knome> xfce4-screenshooter, yes
[12:55] <uzer8738473> knome:Fixed, thanks.
[17:59] <mrasker> hello, could anybody help me to disable the guest user in xubuntu 16.04?
[18:18] <flocculant> mrasker: sure - this worked here http://tipsonubuntu.com/2016/10/14/remove-guest-ubuntu-16-10-login-screen/
[18:19] <flocculant> except you'll change gksu gedit to pkexec mousepad
[18:19] <flocculant> or use your favourite editor
[18:39] <mrasker> It works! Thanks a lot
[18:58] <thayne> hi there, how can i reactivate the ctrl-alt-backspace combo in xorg? disabled ages ago but i want it back!  :)
[19:30] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/367983/how-do-i-enable-ctrl-alt-backspace-to-kill-the-x-server apparently - was working for 15.04 ...
[21:46] <aokfire> Hi, I have a couple questions
[21:48] <bekks> aokfire: Sostart with the first one :)
[21:48] <aokfire> euhhh
[21:48] <aokfire> I think I solved one issue with x11vnc... so just confirming that
[21:48] <aokfire> and then I need some quick screencaps
[21:50] <aokfire> 1. Trying to solve this issue with Skype: http://puu.sh/sTXOS.png where it basically shrinks itself down to that very small menu
[21:53] <aokfire> Compared to, say, the wireless manager: http://puu.sh/sTXYS.png
[21:53] <aokfire> and it goes further than that, just showing how the wireless menu doesn't cascade itself. If that's a Skype issue, it's odd because it never happened on the previous xubuntu install
[21:54] <aokfire> 2. Would like to remove Parole Media Player from the sound menu. https://i.sli.mg/6IavHl.png
[22:00] <knome> aokfire, the skype version has likely been different with the other xubuntu versions, so not really that odd
[22:01] <aokfire> Not odd for that to happen?
[22:01] <knome> yes
[22:01] <aokfire> hm
[22:01] <aokfire> should updating somehow help?
[22:01] <knome> that doesn't mean it should do that (i don't use skype so i can't confirm if it's common either)
[22:01] <aokfire> it's for grandma, so
[22:02] <aokfire> I use it rarely, and on Windows
[22:02] <knome> there isn't much (x)ubuntu developers can do about skype, so maybe, maybe not
[22:02] <aokfire> :S
[22:03] <knome> and you can't remove individual apps from the sound menu - unless you remove them from the system completely
[22:04] <aokfire> guess I could install mpv
[22:07] <aokfire> and ofc, no skype updates...
[22:08] <aokfire> New problem: sudo systemctl enable sshd
[22:08] <aokfire> Failed to execute operation: Too many levels of symbolic links
[22:30] <aokfire> thx for the help :)
[22:34] <aokfire> Back one more time... systemctl enable ssh doesn't seem to actually start ssh at boot. It fails for some reason?
[22:39] <knome> which xubuntu version are you using?
[22:57] <aokfire> euh
[22:57] <aokfire> Can't check right now sorry, but latest as of October? There's a good number of updates that need to be done
[22:57] <aokfire> should probably do those and report back... need to actually go now, thanks :)
[23:07] <Danilochka> I am getting a blank screen when trying to install
[23:07] <Danilochka> i set gfxpayload=text in the setparams screen but it doesnt work


[06:02] <surfzoid> very funny, yesterday, LP API say me "46 download" and today it is 40, https://ppa-stats.sheth.io/#/?ppaName=hikvision&ppaOwner=surfzoid&packageName=qtvsplayer
[06:03] <surfzoid> i guess old repo was "cleaned" but , in database, LP should keep stats.......


[12:35] <BenC> fabbione: Not sure if the ones that have built-in firewire can boot from sbp2 or not
[12:36] <BenC> fabbione: Actually, I think it is possible...I remember my Blade 100 had sbp2 support in firmware
[12:36] <fabbione> BenC: hmmm
[12:36] <fabbione> BenC: ok.. people can file bugs.. for now i am happy to support scsi/ide/sbus
[02:13] <zul> good luck
[02:22] <bronson> BenC: what are your -updates trees? Are they a place to stage patches before merging into the dist tree?
[02:23] <bronson> i.e. patches are baked in ubuntu-edgy-updates.git, then pulled into ubuntu-edgy.git when it's time to release a new kernel?
[02:48] <BenC> bronson: They are in -updates, and supposed to be put into -proposed where the get tested before inclusion in the main tree
[03:09] <bronson> BenC: so, if I want to keep my linux-vserver kernel on top of Edgy development, I should periodically rebase it on top of -updates.  That way, when you do build a new kernel, my derivative kernel will be pretty much ready to go?
[03:09] <bronson> or..  maybe I should track -proposed?
[03:10] <BenC> keep it on edgy proper
[03:10] <BenC> -updates can be broken at any time
[03:10] <bronson> Ah good.  OK, will do.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> BenC: are you here? initramfs-tools was unable to overwrite
[12:50] <gnomefreak> is it safe to force the overwrite like i would with any other package?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> btw no its not its missing depends (seems to be a bunch of crap that is stopping it
[02:45] <fabbione> BenC: davem has a firewire device here.. we will get the OBP mapping today
[02:45] <fabbione> he also thinks we can boot from it
[02:45] <fabbione> but only if the device is plugged in at poweron
[02:45] <BenC> fabbione: Yeah, I think I tested that a loooong time ago
[02:46] <BenC> I'm pretty sure you can, if you have the latest OBP for the box
[02:46] <BenC> fabbione: Write my name on that firewire drive too, so dave remembers where it came from :)
[02:46] <fabbione> ahaha
[02:47] <fabbione> it's just a shell script to parse the obppath sysfs attribute really
[02:47] <fabbione> did you try booting your e3k with the new patched?
[02:47] <fabbione> patches
[02:47] <fabbione> find /sys -name "obppath*"
[02:50] <BenC> not yet, I'll give it a try later
[02:50] <fabbione> ok
[03:33] <maks_> BenC thanks for the merge
[03:34] <maks_> i seem to have posted my review of your changes to the wrong channel, will recap
[03:35] <maks_> * check_minkver() lives in hook-functions you should have it twice now
[03:35] <maks_> * +rm -f /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is doubled in postrm
[03:36] <maks_> * ubuntu used to use busybox mount for nfs
[04:49] <BenC> maks_: Ah, thanks
[05:08] <kylem> BenC, i merged my -updates and the dapper security stuff, what do you think of a -proposed upload?
[05:10] <BenC> kylem: I'll look at it in just a couple of minutes
[05:15] <BenC> maks_: Can you merge the s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/ change?
[05:16] <BenC> maks_: And if you could add " | busybox-initramfs" to the depends, that would fix all the debian/control merges
[05:18] <maks_> BenC remind me why is the s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/ needed?
[05:19] <maks_> yes i'll add that to the depends list
[05:19] <BenC> maks_: Because initramfs-tools is binary-indep, so the build-depends are actuallt for the binary-indep portion of the build
[05:19] <BenC> On the Ubuntu build, we only upload source
[05:19] <BenC> so the binary-indep portion gets built on i386
[05:20] <BenC> in order for the buildd to process that correctly, the build-deps need to reflect reality
[05:20] <maks_> ok, thanks for the info
[05:21] <BenC> maks_: One other question I had was the {-q,-Qb} modprobe inconsistencies we have
[05:21] <BenC> I think the -b makes it respect modprobe.d blacklists
[05:21] <maks_> debian modprobe didn't have that arg irc
[05:21] <BenC> and the -Q makes it quiet about ignoring a blacklisted module (which -q wont do)
[05:22] <BenC> the man page doesn't show it, but "modprobe -h" will show it
[05:22] <maks_> no it's not there
[05:22] <BenC> it has to be, unless you guys have a super old modprobe
[05:22] <BenC> what version of module-init-tools?
[05:23] <maks_> ii  module-init-to 3.3-pre3-1
[05:23] <BenC> is it -Q or -b that it doesn't have?
[05:23] <maks_> -Q
[05:24] <BenC> ah, right, it's an ubuntu patch it seems
[05:24] <BenC> maybe -qb then
[05:24] <maks_> ok
[05:24] <BenC> the -b is the important part, because users need to be able to blacklist modules and have initramfs scripts respect that (e.g. for the case of buggy force loaded modules)
[05:25] <maks_> fully agreed
[05:25] <BenC> maybe you could just export one MODPROBE_OPTIONS in /init
[05:26] <BenC> modprobe will respect it, and that'll localize any changes we have to make for -Q
[05:30] <BenC> maks_: In scripts/init-top/framebuffer, the VESA and SPLASH vars aren't used anywhere...I thought it was a leftover Ubuntu patch, but it's in your source
[05:31] <maks_> # Set modprobe env
[05:31] <maks_> MODPROBE_OPTIONS="-qb"
[05:31] <maks_> export ${MODPROBE_OPTIONS}
[05:32] <maks_> BenC: indeed, kick those
[05:33] <BenC> maks_: Just uploaded ubuntu4 with the changes you mentioned, thanks.
[05:34] <maks_> cool i get the diff, i'm monitoring :)
[05:43] <maks_> BenC: the discussed changes on my side are in 0.85f, need to push 0.85e first into testing
[05:46] <maks_>   * debian/control: Change Build-depends-indep to Build-depends as we need
[05:46] <maks_>     debhelper and cdbs for the clean target, fulfills policy 7.6.
[05:48] <maks_> so
[05:48] <maks_> not sure if i want to pick that up
[05:53] <BenC> hmm
[05:53] <fabbione> BenC: get ready for ubuntu5 ? :)
[05:54] <BenC> fabbione: Might just be 0.85fubuntu1 :)
[05:55] <fabbione> ehe
[05:56] <BenC> ubuntu5 uploaded...glad this isn't a heave package to build
[05:56] <BenC> heavy
[05:57] <fabbione> BenC: are we sure it doesn't have lvm or mdadm stuff?
[05:58] <BenC> it has an mdrun that only gets used if mdadm isn't also there
[05:58] <Mithrandir> BenC: fubuntu < ubuntu. :-P
[05:59] <fabbione> hmmm
[06:00] <BenC> fabbione: you asked me to remove it :P
[06:00] <BenC> I don't have any machines with a lvm/md root to test
[06:00] <fabbione> lvm is ok.. must go
[06:00] <fabbione> i am not sure what that mdrun can do without mdadm installed
[06:01] <fabbione> i guess i will have to clean up that clusterfuck when i am back in january
[06:01] <fabbione> and the first guy that's gonna complain about the abuse of the word clusterfuck will get to solve all the mess
[06:02] <BenC> fabbione: it runs if there is no local-top/mdadm, but it exects mdadm binary to be present if raid is required
[06:02] <fabbione> ok, then it's totally useless :P
[06:02] <fabbione> once you install mdadm you get local-top/mdadm :)
[06:03] <BenC> probably debian/ubuntu friendly
[06:04] <fabbione> probably
[06:04] <fabbione> or probably due to lack of communication between the 3 developers that can't agree on where these scripts should exists
[06:04] <BenC> maks_: Am I correct that the resume stuff in initramfs supports suspend2?
[06:04] <fabbione> because our mdadm is the same as debian
[06:49] <zul> yeah so one of the managers here at work changed the locks fo the server room without telling us
[06:49] <kylem> i think that means you're fired
[06:49] <kylem> or evicted
[06:50] <zul> yay... just after i got my stock options
[07:50] <maks_> fabbione, BenC: the mdrun hook is for partial upgrades from sarge -> etch, where you have initramfs-tools but not yet the new mdadm
[07:50] <fabbione> maks_: kthx..


[08:58] <cjwatson> rbasak: There's a .launchpad.yaml in that package, and I haven't got round to figuring out why it's failing.  Maybe I should exclude it from the source package though ...
[10:12] <rbasak> Ah
[10:13] <rbasak> Interesting. Do we want this functionality in git-ubuntu branches? It's not necessarily a bad thing I suppose.
[10:13] <rbasak> Although directing the email to the branch owner doesn't make sense in this case.
[11:47] <rbasak> In case it helps anyone else, the failure I was seeing of the form:
[11:47] <rbasak> File ffc_0.7.0-1.diff.gz incorrect size, got 53464 expected 13021
[11:48] <rbasak> Is a regression in python3-ubuntutools on Focal, since 0.193ubuntu4~20.04.2. I have filed bug 2025748 and am looking deeper. This breaks the git-ubuntu importer for some packages. It seems that not all packages are affected.
[11:48] -ubottu:#launchpad- Bug 2025748 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "Launchpad downloads fail with 'incorrect size, got X expected Y'" [Critical, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2025748
[16:47] <bmansurov> Hi, I'm trying to login at https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+login, but getting the following error.
[16:47] <bmansurov> Oops!Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.If you can't login, join us on #launchpad IRC channel at irc.libera.chat, e-mail us or visit our feedback page.If you report this as a bug, please include the error ID below, preferably by copying and pasting it rather than by taking a screenshot.(Error ID: OOPS-f00027b94935
[16:47] <bmansurov> 094f1e61bded0ccf9e05)