[00:00] <gdea73> I'm suddenly having major problems with my 10.10 installation
[00:00] <waxstone> !es|urman
[00:00] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, yes, but, if I have a ext filesystem and try to format using mkt.ntfs it is supposed to give me an error, am I wrong?
[00:00] <gdea73> I was uninstalling FGLRX drivers, when I accidentally hit the standby button my new laptop, after which it wouldn't wake up.
[00:00] <xaviers3468> Ampix0:  I went away for a couple of minutes, did you find out how to set up your ssh server?
 everyfile will be larger by 0 to 3584 bytes
[00:00] <lagittaja> Hey guys. I'm in the process of dual booting win7 & ubuntu for F@H and I'm pretty much clear on the process except one thing, I'm gonna dedicate 20gb of space for ubuntu and I'm wondering about what type and size of partitions I need. I heard ext3 is recommend for folding?
[00:00] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: No. mkfs assumes that the user knows what they're doing and clobbers whatever happens to be there.
[00:01] <gdea73> I had to power it down manually, during which it made one loud click, and then when I restarted I was told there were errors on the filesystem. Then after that, /tmp wouoldn't mount on boot.
[00:01] <urman> is that we enter into all and I was told that I have here one week and I could install ubuntu: (
[00:01] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, so probably I forget to change it to ntfs
[00:01] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, thanks :D
 also may be some overhead differences in the filesystems, you sure there were no other files on the backup drive before you transferred?
[00:01] <anonymous_> hello
[00:02] <X-warrior> haz3lnut, i'm sure, a brand new hard disk
[00:02] <anonymous_> can someone tell me how to launch the software application manually?
[00:02] <Shojo> hi, what sodtware app?
[00:03] <MrBusiness> My 11.10 system does not seem to have an /etc/inittab file. Is there another file I should edit instead if I want to change my default run level at boot?
[00:04] <X-warrior> haz3lnut, any way, I'm doing a checksum sync right now just to check if something went wrong, thanks for your help men :D
[00:04] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, thanks for your help too! :D
 can you do a "du -sh" on each files system and see what the diff is?
 np
[00:04] <itaylor57> !runlevel | MrBusiness
[00:05] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: I think you're still somewhat confused. Msdos partition tables have partition "types". But the "type" of a partition according to the partition table doesn't actually reliably tell you what filesystem that partition contains.
[00:05] <urman> that it gives me black screen when installing ubuntu?
[00:05] <MrBusiness> Well, there we go
[00:05] <X-warrior> haz3lnut,  801gb to backup disk and 792gb  to normal one
[00:05] <centHOGG> hi
[00:06] <K350> is there anyone here that uses fetchmail, procmail and mutt?
[00:07] <waxstone> !es|urman
[00:07] <lagittaja> Hey guys. I'm in the process of dual booting win7 & ubuntu for F@H and I'm pretty much clear on the process except one thing, I'm gonna dedicate 20gb of space for ubuntu and I'm wondering about what type and size of partitions I need. I heard ext3 is recommend for folding?
[00:07] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: Among other things, there is only room for 255 different "types", yet there are more types of paritions than that possible and many types have collissions. For instance id 7 can mean HPFS/NTFS/exFAT, and id 82 can be Linux swap / Solaris.
[00:08] <Ampix0> xaviers3468 hey sorry. Ya i didnt do anything but install it im sure it's insecure as hell. Its working on the lan so far. how do i ftp though? dont see the option in putty.
[00:08] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, but cfdisk should show me the correct one, right?
[00:08] <niwix> whats da gnome ubuntu distro?
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> niw
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> niwix: ubuntu?
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> lol
[00:09] <niwix> yes
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> no thats it... ubuntu is the gnome distro
[00:09] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: cfdisk only knows about the partition id, it knows nothing about filesystems.
[00:10] <niwix> ubuntu comes by default with unity
[00:10] <niwix> and unity has aids
[00:10] <niwix> I want pure gnome
[00:10] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: "sudo parted -l" will report the correct filesystem because it's actually aware of filesystems. It checks what the blocks in the partition actually contain rather than just looking at the partition table.
[00:10] <niwix> any one? please? only need a name
[00:10] <Nullifi3d> niwix: switch to classic mode at login, or install an earlier version (like 10.10 or 10.04)
[00:10] <Jordan_U> niwix: Please keep your comments resonable and respectful.
[00:10] <wirkolaqs> Can I get help here?
[00:11] <arand> wirkolaqs: Yes, just ask
[00:11] <Jordan_U> !notunity | niwix
[00:11] <niwix> yes but, can It run gnome apps?
 just ask
[00:11] <wirkolaqs> oh
[00:11] <niwix> can it run gnome applications?
[00:11] <ubuntu> for some reason my laptop (this one) won't load into my ubuntu installation  I'm using a live cd right now...
[00:11] <Jordan_U> niwix: Any Desktop Environment can run any application.
 YES
[00:11] <wirkolaqs> how to make partition with win7 active one?
[00:11] <niwix> yes, but can it run gnome designed apps?
[00:12] <niwix> thanks haz3lnut
[00:12] <mylisto3> I'm trying to find out why the heck I can
[00:12] <mylisto3> I'm trying to find out why the heck I can't log into my ubuntu installation
[00:12] <wirkolaqs> I've tried to install Ubuntu
[00:13] <mylisto3> Now I can't access the grub boot menu when I hold shift down when I boot up the laptop
[00:13] <xaviers3468> Ampix0: to use SFTP you'll first need a SFTP client. You mentioned you had filezilla earlier, I'm not sure if that supports SFTP but popular as it is it should.
[00:13] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, so if parted -l says both of it are : Partition table: msdos and Filesystem: ntfs, both of it are really ntfs and my problem with the difference between the two hard disk is the Sector size.
[00:13] <Ampix0> oh fantastic. same port? 22?
[00:14] <xaviers3468> Ampix0: Otherwise, just google "sftp client [insert operating system here]
[00:14] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: If parted says they're both ntfs then they're both ntfs. I won't speculate on the difference you're seeing in space used.
[00:14] <Ampix0> xaviers3468. Thanks a lot man. im gunna go test this from home. need a dynamic DNS service for my buddy here but we'll be good
[00:14] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, ok! :D
[00:15] <xaviers3468> Ampix0: No problem. I'm off I have to fix windows :P.
[00:15] <testing321> gdea73, I think you physically messed up the harddrive or file system, I just did this recently on my ntfs file system, restarted in the middle of a read/write operation
[00:15] <mylisto3> anyone??
[00:16] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, really appreciate your help, thanks! :D
[00:16] <Masterman467> why does ubuntu fuck up linux so much? cant you make it work before adding dumb shit?
[00:16] <Masterman467> 3rd time i instaled it and locked up the computer
[00:16] <Masterman467> *so mad*
[00:16] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: You're welcome.
[00:17] <natethegreat1419> I was wondering if anybody could help me?
[00:17] <icedtea> Masterman467: are you by chance running the open source nvidia driver?
[00:18] <Masterman467> idk
[00:18] <natethegreat1419> I am looking for something that would automatically take screenshots and save them to a certain folder?
[00:18] <Masterman467> im back on win xp now.
[00:18] <mydogsnameisrudy> natethegreat1419:  look up motion
[00:18] <natethegreat1419> Thank you I will be right back mydogsnameisrudy
[00:18] <Masterman467> mydogsnameisrudy? tell rudy he is a good bow
[00:19] <Masterman467> boy
[00:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm that might be only web cam not sure
[00:19] <natethegreat1419> yea I just looked at it it is for webcam
[00:19] <zykotick9> mydogsnameisrudy: only a guess/hint - perhaps scrot and some scripting could work?
[00:20] <natethegreat1419> yea I am not that good at the whole scripting think
[00:20] <natethegreat1419> thing**
[00:20] <zykotick9> !info scrot
[00:21] <Elfe> Anyone tried Darktable? Why is the lowpass plugin missing?
[00:21] <mint_> natethegreat1419: you can try to write a scrot line into a crontab -e
[00:21] <zykotick9> mint_: i'm worried crontab might cause issues for grabbing the xorg screen?  perhaps not.
[00:22] <AliNarcis> salam kasi az iran hast ?
[00:22] <mint_> dont worry about that
[00:25] <velko> !fa | AliNarcis
[00:26] <kunji1> If you have 2 php files for an HTML page, how do you make their echoed statements append instead of overwriting each other?
[00:27] <kelzyeah>  I'm new to ubuntu (11/10) and am trying to get my webcam working in skype.  It works in Cheese and in Googletalk, but not in skype.  I've tried the v4lcompat.so workaround, and gstreamer-properties, where I got an error about an unloaded module.  04f2:b091 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Webcam is the 'lsusb' output for my webcam.  I believe this problem is somehow related to Xv not loading, but am not sure how to get it to load, as g
[00:27] <kelzyeah> streamer-propertie
[00:32] <Axsuul> What's the best way to get a service to start at boot?
[00:33] <yeta> Hi everyone
[00:33] <trelane> Axsuul: man update-rc.d :)
[00:33] <centHOGG> hi yeta
[00:34] <trelane> Axsuul: there's some syntax to it, but if it's got an init script (in /etc/iinit.d) update-rc.d is the ticket
[00:34] <yeta> im y3t4 & im looking for someone to help me to make a social network
[00:34] <yeta> not like facebook something more like diaspora
[00:34] <trelane> yeta: probably better to ask in a more apropos channel, IE a web development platform channel (have your credit card ready! :) )
[00:34] <Axsuul> trelane: thanks, what about chkconfig, can I also achieve it with that?
[00:34] <yeta> yeah sure
[00:35] <kunji1> Hmm, could someone help me join the ##php channel, I'm not very familiar with irc and am getting a message that "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
[00:35] <yeta> i got the ideas and the most part of the code
[00:35] <trelane> kunji1: /join ##php
[00:35] <zykotick9> !register | kunji1
[00:35] <yeta> but i still needing someone else help
[00:36] <trelane> Axsuul: chkconfig IIRC is redhat-like, this is the debian/ubuntu version.  you can also (if ubuntu supports it) apt-get install rcconf which has a simple ui
[00:37] <kunji1> Thanks!  I really appreciate the help.
[00:37] <n00bprogrammer> is there any visual basic/vb.net channel that is not dead like #vb.net?
[00:37] <n00bprogrammer> sorry to ask in here but since this is the most populated channel  am in...
[00:37] <n00bprogrammer> I am in*
[00:38] <pangolin> n00bprogrammer, ##windows may have more useful suggestions
[00:38] <n00bprogrammer> ok, I will try there, thank you
[00:38] <trelane> n00bprogrammer: ask in #freenode perhaps?
[00:38] <pangolin> although probably not the best place to ask either
[00:38] <trelane> n00bprogrammer: ##windows is a good idea too :)
[00:40] <kelzyeah>  I'm new to ubuntu (11/10) and am trying to get my webcam working in skype.  It works in Cheese and in Googletalk, but not in skype.  I've tried the v4lcompat.so workaround, and gstreamer-properties, where I got an error about an unloaded module.  04f2:b091 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Webcam is the 'lsusb' output for my webcam.  I believe this problem is somehow related to Xv not loading, but am not sure how to get it to load, as g
[00:40] <kelzyeah> streamer-propertie
[00:41] <trelane> LOL
[00:43] <awxi> guys, ubuntu 10.10 comes with unity?
[00:44] <zykotick9> awxi: no, but it's support will end soonish, 10.04 has more support left
[00:44] <dlentz> awxi, not by default, there were ppa's iirc
[00:44] <awxi> what does support mean anyway?
[00:44] <awxi> updates?
[00:44] <zykotick9> awxi: updates="security updates"
[00:45] <awxi> so how do i get rid of unity?
[00:45] <awxi> I want my old gnome2 bac
[00:45] <Jordan_U> !notunity | awxi
[00:46] <zykotick9> awxi: consider gnome2 dead, xfce is popular alternative.  if you really want gnome2 lucid 10.04 is your best bet.
[00:46] <awxi> ubuntu amd64 can run i586 or not? does it have to have the i586 libs?
[00:46] <awxi> zykotick9, gnome2 is the winning mate.
[00:46] <mkultra_> id upgrade your i586
[00:47] <awxi> I don't have i586, I just want to know if it can run i586 code
[00:47] <mkultra_> or just use it for a server install and have it serve
[00:47] <centHOGG> athlon xp
[00:48] <mkultra_> oh yeah xp proc can run 586 686
[00:48] <dlentz> You can usually run 32-bit programs on 64-bit with no issue
[00:48] <awxi> does it need additional libs though?
[00:49] <dlentz> yes
[00:49] <awxi> which??
[00:49]  * trelane steals mkultra_'s mind
[00:49] <mkultra_> yeah
[00:49]  * trelane puts things in mkultra_'s water
[00:49] <mkultra_> the synaptic's file:386
[00:49] <mkultra_> thanks trelane it means alot to me
[00:50] <trelane> mkultra_: good choice for a nick :)
[00:50] <mkultra_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1836890
[00:50] <mkultra_> you can steal my mind there
[00:50] <awxi> should i get amd64 or ix86 ? pentium dual core
[00:50] <Daekdroom> awxi, how much RAM?
[00:51] <awxi> 2gb we're talkin here
[00:51] <Daekdroom> awxi, and are you going to work frequently with enconding/decoding, file compression etc?
[00:51] <zykotick9> awxi: with less then 4GB i'd suggest 32bit
[00:51] <centHOGG> desktop?
[00:51] <mkultra_> id get 64 4 dual core
[00:51] <awxi> yes daekdroom
[00:51] <Daekdroom> awxi, 64-bits has a performance boost for some tasks, but the RAM usage is higher also..
[00:52] <awxi> so 32..
[00:52] <awxi> thanks
[00:52] <Daekdroom> mkultra_, 64-bits has nothing to do with dual core performance.
[00:52] <mkultra_> my dual 1.6 ghz works fine with 64
[00:52] <mkultra_> i dont run much 32
[00:52] <centHOGG> xp 32
[00:53] <kunji1> Hmm, why does "/msg nickserv info nickname" not seem to return anything?
[00:53] <zykotick9> kunji1: #freenode for registration assistance
[00:54] <kunji1> Thank zykotick9, will do
[00:54] <awxi> thank vm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EN3K7laqo
[00:57] <liam__> Daekdroom: actully your wrong
[00:57] <liam__> it does have somthing to do with performance
[00:57] <centHOGG> awxi
[00:57] <awxi> ?
[00:58] <go8765> hello again i have some problems with hibernate, can i found help here?
[00:58] <Daekdroom> liam__, Yes.   In order of difficulty, easiest is to boot from CDROM/usb.  Next up is wubi (NOT a long-term solution).  After that is dualbooting.  Read these for general education:  http://fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads/
[01:17] <miyuki> when I move window to right side. window shown orange box, then gets half size of screen, the window
[01:18] <miyuki> why this happens?
[01:19] <miyuki> i have ubuntu 11.10 i think
[01:19] <miyuki> oneiric is the name
[01:22] <WilsonBradley> Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot.. :-(
[01:26] <escott> aaron_, not uncommon with intel hda audio
[01:27] <escott> aaron_, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA
[01:27] <curiousx> salut a tout le monde
[01:27] <escott> miyuki, its window sticking. its intended feature you can probably disable it in ccsm
[01:28] <miyuki> escott, thenk you your kindness. how to disable?
[01:28] <curiousx> i need help =P
[01:28] <escott> miyuki, you would have to install ccsm. and be warned messing with the wrong settings in ccsm can break unity
[01:28] <escott> !ccsm | miyuki
[01:29] <curiousx> how can i set gnome desktop by default instead of kde in command line ?
[01:30] <curiousx> one time i solve it, but this time i cant find the command =( i remember the command begins with "set"
[01:32] <curiousx> i mean, when i bootup my pc try to run kde, configure it to go into the desktop without writing password in the gdm =P
[01:32] <mylisto23> I'm trying to find out why my 10.04 installation isn't loading
[01:33] <curiousx> so goes directly to kde but kde give me a segmentation fault =P
[01:33] <mylisto23> yesterday someone had mentioned holding down the shift key when booting the laptop...that worked and I was able to see the grub menu...
[01:33] <mylisto23> now when I hold the shift key down nothing happens
[01:33] <curiousx> so, i want to define that gnome begins instead of kde and trouble will be solved =)
[01:33] <miyuki> escott: i have compizconfig tool, but why does i click on drag window to right side then it becomes orange and half the window?
[01:35] <escott> miyuki, because thats what that feature does. the intended use is to quickly and easily arrange two windows side by side. you just drag them a little past the edge and they fill half the screen. you will have to find it in the settings and disable it. it will be called edge something
 it's a feature. when you drag all the way to edge, it does that to make room for another window on the other side.
[01:36] <WilsonBradley> Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot.. :-(
[01:36] <curiousx> please :'(
[01:36] <saures> mylisto23: you ever run the update-grub in ubuntu?
[01:36] <mylisto23> not sure saures:
[01:37] <mylisto23> saures: how can I do that with a livecd?
[01:37] <saures> mylisto23: why?
[01:37] <escott> !patience curiousx
[01:37] <mylisto23> well
[01:37] <miyuki> escott: haz3lnut what is plugin name?? which plugin?
[01:37] <mylisto23> I can't access my installation...how else am I going to update it?
[01:37] <escott> miyuki, i dont use unity/i dont know
[01:38] <saures> !details | mylisto23
[01:38] <escott> !patience | curiousx
[01:38] <saures> mylisto23: download supergrub and use it to get in and run a sudo update-grub from the installed ubuntu.
[01:39] <curiousx> ok, escott thx
[01:39] <[deXter]> Any recommendations for a Visio alternative?
[01:39] <[deXter]> I want something to make process/flow charts.
[01:40] <saures> mylisto23: down load this and burn to disc is is really small and for booting. http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/
[01:40] <mylisto23> saures: should I get rescataux?
[01:40] <dj_segfault> deXter: I really like Dia for that sort of thing.
[01:40] <mylisto23> it seems like it has super grub2 + other features
[01:41] <saures> mylisto23: you can but the grub2 is all that is needed to get in.
[01:41] <escott> [deXter], the most recent version of libreoffice can read visio apparently?
[01:41] <d21anthony> Hello Everyone, I am a recent convert from windows and a web designer - I use the CS4 Creative sweet (mainly photoshop, illustrator, indesign) I've tried Gimp and Im to set in my ways. Now , in my research I've found theres two methods, Virtual Box, Wine, or dual boot. Whats best and Why?
[01:41] <dj_segfault> I like Dia because it stores the files as XML you can tweak, and has plugins for special applications.  It's also cross-platform
[01:41] <escott> [deXter], at least thats my vague memory from a few weeks ago
[01:42] <waxstone> [deXter], look into "Dia Diagram Editor" http://projects.gnome.org/dia/
[01:42] <escott> !best | d21anthony
[01:43] <d21anthony> This wasn't really a poll question - it's more of a your experiences question
[01:44] <d21anthony> I researched this extensively and your my last resort
[01:44] <d21anthony> Theres alot of schools of thought out there.
[01:45] <stephan_> Hallo hat zu hitler der Sohn ab Gott dem Gott ab Krieg Ihre Seele wird getrunken vom Teufel gelassen und lässt den Ablauf ab Leben ist ewig
[01:45] <escott> d21anthony, they have tradeoffs what are your needs/budget/tolerance for imperfection/hardware etc
[01:46] <america> i just had to do a hard reset cause ubuntu froze on me, and now the icon's in the file browser don't show up
[01:46] <america> i did a fsck after it rebooted and it fixed a couple things and then booted up nicely
[01:47] <america> but now, something isn't right
[01:47] <america> no icons for anything
[01:47] <escott> america, nautilus didnt start or crashed right after it started. it happens from time to time just start it manually. if it is happening regularly thats different
[01:48] <america> i rebooted several again twice after, and it still didn't start
[01:48] <escott> america, and if you start nautilus manually does it draw the desktop
[01:49] <Onixs> which folder  is more appropriate to install a zip file , /usr/home or /root ?
[01:49] <escott> Onixs, neither
[01:49] <america> escott: i did nautilus -q and it worked
[01:49] <mimoid> Can someone tell me what Ubuntu packages along with GNOME for a hard disk utility? I need to check the smart values of a harddisk and also possibly adjust how often it parks.
[01:49] <america> thank you
[01:49] <dj_segfault> Onixs: That depends what's in it.
[01:50] <CFHowlett> !de|Stephan
[01:50] <d21anthony> Preferably, I would like to be able to use CS4  use/ save files that can be accessed by ubuntu and CS4 . I have a 320gb hdd and 4gb ram
[01:50] <escott> Onixs, system wide binaries not managed through apt should either be in /usr/local/bin or /opt
[01:50] <Mongoose_> My monitor is on the brinks  and looks like I need another. Running Natty here and was thinking of another Samsung. What should I watch out for when purchasing a monitor so it is compatible with Natty?
[01:51] <Onixs> escott , its more of a python script
[01:52] <escott> d21anthony, so virtualization is nice because you can use ubuntu and cs4 at the same time, but (a) you have to have another license for windows and maybe cs4 (b) you have to divide your ram which might be a problem if you are working with large images
[01:52] <Onixs> errr, pyload .sorry
[01:52] <dj_segfault> Onixs: If it's just one script, you can put it in /usr/local/bin.  If it's a bunch of files that make up an application, I like creating a directory under /opt
[01:52] <d21anthony> hmmmm,
[01:52] <escott> d21anthony, wine costs no additional windows license but i don't know how the support is (check winehq's app compatibility list)
[01:52] <escott> d21anthony, and dual boot is dual boot
[01:53] <escott> d21anthony, and yet another option is virtualizing ubuntu as a guest under windows
[01:53] <saintbasil> Question: I'm installing lucid lynx alternate cd on an old computer w/ a new HDD. It doesn't recognize my HDD and offers some drivers to use. However none of the drivers seem to follow a make/model pattern...so how do I know which driver to pick for my seagate barracuda hdd?
[01:53] <Loshki> d21anthony: that probably rules out wine right there, since according to http://appdb.winehq.org, photoshop under cs4 doesn't run under wine....
[01:53] <d21anthony> right, I saw that
[01:53] <d21anthony> grr
[01:54] <d21anthony> Im at a point where as much as I dont want to - I may have to do a dual boot
[01:54] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: The hard drive is not recognized?  What kind of hard drive is it?  That's unusual
[01:54] <escott> d21anthony, if you decide to virtualize it may be worth spending $50 to double your ram
[01:54] <saures> Mongoose_: I think you would have a hard time finding one that didn't work, you might to know that natty is end of life in april.
[01:55] <d21anthony> Is there a way I can share a folder on both sides or something - kinda like a tunnell
[01:55] <saures> *like
[01:55] <d21anthony> I think my ram is maxed out it's a notebook
[01:55] <Loshki> d21anthony: as for dual-boot vs. virtualbox, it comes down to whether you need to run linux and windows simultaneously or not/
[01:55] <dj_segfault> d21anthony: Yes, that's easy, since Linux can read and write NTFS.
[01:55] <escott> d21anthony, ubuntu can read/write ntfs. virtualbox has its guest additions
[01:55] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: it's a brand new seagate barracuda 500 gb 7200. It is not recognized because the firmware can't recognize HDDs that big (my guess), so I'd like to make a small aprtition. But I need to pick a driver first to do that
[01:55] <motherbrain> does anybody know what arch then ZTE cricket phone is using is it ARM11 or something else the OS on it is 2.3 gingerbread
[01:55] <dj_segfault> d21anthony: Just put the files on the Windows side and you'll be able to get it from both OSes
[01:56] <hopstafarian> hi all...trying to reset my forgotten mysql root password...am have done the skip-grant-tables command and logged in as root...anyone know what comes next?
[01:56] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: If the BIOS can't deal with a hard drive that big then no drivers are going to help you.
[01:56] <d21anthony> Thank you all, your input has been really helpful
[01:56] <saures> Mongoose_: doh sorry natty has another year past april my bad.
[01:57] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: One possibility is that it's not the absolute size, but number of cylinders.  Since it's all logical these days maybe you can calculate a different geometry with fewer cylinders that comes out to the same size.
[01:57] <Mongoose_> Saures , thanks for the info
[01:57] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: well I'd like to try, I just need to know how to interpret  the esoteric driver names in terms of easily understood HDD names like western digital or seagate
[01:58] <psusi> saintbasil, shouldn't need any special driver... is this ide or sata?
[01:58] <dj_segfault> Like I said, drivers are not going to help you.
[01:58] <saintbasil> psusi: sata
[01:58] <Loshki> saintbasil: I'd be worried your disk is DOA, depending on what you mean by 'not recognised'...
[01:58] <psusi> saintbasil, virtually all sata controller chips are AHCI compliant so the normal AHCI driver should just work
[01:58] <Onixs> its a buch of scrip. so /opt then. thanks dj_segfault
[01:58] <saintbasil> Loshki: I hope not
[01:58] <Mongoose_> Running Natty 11.04 here.  I'm seeing things like "3w-9xxx"..."friq"...etc
[01:59] <psusi> Mongoose_, 11.10 comes next
[01:59] <saintbasil> I'm going down the list it gives but it';s a long one
[02:00] <KBentley57> hey guys, I'm having some weird network problems.  I can ping a pc (windows) on my network, remote desktop to it, use the "connect to server" to connect to it, but when I click on "Browse the network" in nautilus, It says Opening "WORKGROUP" for a while, then spits an error "Unable to mount location"
[02:00] <dj_segfault> Onixs: If there's one script that starts the program, you can create a directory under /opt then make a symbolic link to that script in your path, like "ln -s /opt/foo/foo.py /usr/local/bin/foo"
[02:00] <KI7MT> saintbasil, Another thing to consider, the drive itself does not ahve a "driver per say", the drive controller does, be it sata scsi or hda. if the drive it not being seen, its more than likely the drive controller driver, not the drive itself.
[02:00] <saures> Mongoose_: oneiric and has been out for about 5 months
[02:00] <psusi> saintbasil, the regular ahci driver is loaded by default... try the livecd
[02:00] <fbdystang> Hi, I just swapped out my comcast modem and my new one has a build in router. I can't access my ubuntu server now. Is it possible to access it by just plugging an ethernet cable between the new modem/router and my old router? Thanks
[02:01] <Mongoose_> If I install 11.10 and don't care for it is it easy to go back to 11.04 without disturbing anything? I never upgraded and this Natty is my first time with ubuntu
[02:01] <saintbasil> psusi: the live cd install routine didn't recognize it either. tried PP as well as LL
[02:01] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, generally, you can't go backwards
[02:01] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: What, what make and model is the hard drive?
[02:01] <KI7MT> saintbasil, is it being displayed in your BIOS?
[02:01] <Mongoose_> ok thanks
[02:01] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: seagate, barracuda, ST3500641AS-RK. 7200 rpm
[02:01] <psusi> fbdystang, what do you mean?  you mean you can't access your computer from elsewhere?  or that you have multiple computers locally and they can't see each other?
[02:02] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, Might I suggest, if you're comfortable with it, to install virtualbox?  and try 11.10 in a "sandboxed" enviorment?
[02:02] <psusi> saintbasil, boot the livecd and open the disk utility and see if it at least sees the controller
[02:02] <fbdystang> psusi: I can't access it from elsewhere
[02:02] <Mongoose_> ok , will give that some thought KBentley57
[02:02] <saures> Mongoose_: you could clone the Natty then upgrade, see clonezilla.org
[02:02] <saintbasil> KI7MT: I don't know as the bios is apple firmware, as it is an imac g5 which is proven to work with LL. The HDD is another story I suppose
[02:02] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: I ask because I've read that certain external Seagate drives don't implement the real SCSI/ATAPI/etc interface, and actually do need drivers, so they don't work under Linux.
[02:02] <psusi> fbdystang, then you need to configure the router to forward the appropriate ports, same as the old one
[02:02] <Mongoose_> thanks
[02:03] <america> nautilus won't start after boot
[02:03] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, have you every used any type of virtualization?
[02:03] <fbdystang> psusi: ahhh, I think you are right. I will try and get back
[02:03] <Mongoose_> no
[02:03] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: that would suck. i cringe at the thought of having to pay special attention to what hardware I can buy. It's happened before with printers...
[02:03] <Loshki> fbdystang: does comcast give you the password to your router/modem?
[02:03] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: This is internal, right?
[02:03] <saintbasil> yes
[02:03] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, open the software center, and install VirtualBox
[02:03] <fbdystang> Loshki: I had it for the old one, so I sure hope so
[02:04] <dj_segfault> Then it's not a problem.  These were USB external hard drives.
[02:04] <KBentley57> after it's installed, you can play around / read up with it
[02:04] <L3top> KBentley57: if he wants to check out performance, etc, vbox is not really an ideal test platform... esp with 3d accel etc. I think Mongoose_ is much better off with the clonezilla idea
[02:04] <dj_segfault> saintbasil:  Do you have another computer you can hook it up to as a test?
[02:04] <america> im having to issue "nautilus -q" after boot
[02:04] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: no. I have a laptop but no enclosure
[02:05] <KBentley57> L3top, first time linux user, never used virtualization, how scary does cloning your hd sound?  Thats a disaster waiting to happen
[02:05] <Mongoose_> virtualbox ose?
[02:05] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: and I got it at a best buy, so if I take it in and say "it doesnt work with linux" everyone's heads are gonna explode
[02:05] <curiousx> solved =P
[02:05] <Mongoose_> ok
[02:05] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, no offense, I just know how confusing it can at first
[02:05] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, yes, ose
[02:05] <Mongoose_> :>))
[02:05] <fbdystang> psusi: Let me see if this works: my new router can port forward to the old router, and my old router can assign itself a fixed ip?
[02:06] <psusi> saintbasil, also check that you have the drive connected properly and you might see if it has a jumper to force SATA I mode... some controllers are buggy and fail to negotiate with SATA II drives
[02:06] <L3top> it is incredibly easy, and fairly foolproof. whereas dealing with guest addons etc for subpar performance on vesa drivers... it sounds like a brilliant idea.
[02:06] <Mongoose_> well not sure to go with virtual or clonezilla
[02:06] <Loshki> fbdystang: I would be surprised if comcast allows customers to configure comcast equipment. Sounds like a support nightmare...
[02:06] <psusi> fbdystang, just leave out the old router
[02:06] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, the issue is having a real experience, vs testing the os
[02:06] <L3top> just my opinion.
[02:06] <Mongoose_> got it
[02:07] <saintbasil> psusi: oh you're right, the jumper may be defaulted to the wrong pins...though defaulting a HDD to slave seems like a bonehead move
[02:07] <Mongoose_> I can understand that! Better safe than sorry
[02:07] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, with virtualbox, you don't risk the threat of trashing your current system
[02:07] <psusi> saintbasil, there is no such thing as master/slave with sata
[02:07] <L3top> plus... at the end of the day, you end up with a clone you can always revert to if you encounter other problems
[02:07] <psusi> saintbasil, the cable can only be connected to a single drive
[02:07] <Mongoose_> and i can try or use it for a week and then just unistall it is that correct?
[02:07] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, with a clone backup, you can try 11.10 for real, and go back to 11.04 later
[02:07] <fbdystang> Loshki, it is a modem/router. I assume they have to give me access to configure the router part of it
[02:07] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, yes
[02:08] <just> a partition in my ubuntu can't run  copy and paste
[02:08] <Mongoose_> ok, thanks for the info. Getting tired here and going to hit the sack. Thanks for your help
[02:08] <saintbasil> psusi: I did remember seeing a jumper with pins, that's all. I can check it against the old one, since they're identical except capacity
[02:08] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, np
[02:08] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: Google says that drive has no jumpers.  As I would expect from a SATA drive.  There is no master/slave
[02:08] <hylian> i want to know how to install kde as minimally as possible. I don't want kubuntu, I want kde minimal install
[02:08] <Mongoose_> Good Night
[02:08] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: then i've been looking at HDDs for too long :(
[02:08] <hylian> Mongoose_, goodnight!
[02:08] <KBentley57> hylian, have you ever tried the ubuntu minimal install?
[02:08] <L3top> You dont need to uninstall, if you clone, you will just overwrite the new install with the clone, whereas part of your hard drive will be eaten up in a vdi on virtual, which is not intuitive to get rid of. It doesnt simply go away if you uninstall vbox
[02:09] <hylian> KBentley57, not what I asked for, thanks.
[02:09] <saures> hylian: there is a minimal cd a net install you choose what you want.
[02:09] <dj_segfault> hylian: I think you install kde-base and it brings in what it needs from there.
[02:09] <L3top> night.
[02:09] <I440r> why does ubuntu not follow the FSH?
[02:09] <CFHowlett> !minimal|saure
[02:09] <hylian> saures, again not what I asked for, but thanks.
[02:09] <KBentley57> hylian, I know, but it has the option of installing a minimal system, from which you can grab the kde bits you want
[02:09] <psusi> saintbasil, check the manual for the new drive... usually there is a jumper you can set to force SATA I ( 1.5 Gpbs ) mode.. it usually isn't needed, but some controllers are buggy... and also boot the livecd, open the disk utility and see if it at least sees the SATA Host Adapter... if it sees that, but not the drive, then it's either connected wrong, needs that fall back jumper, or is doa
[02:09] <hylian> dj_segfault, thanks, that's what Iwanted... :)
[02:09] <saures> CFHowlett: send that to hylian
[02:09] <just> a partiton in ubuntu can't run copy and paste
[02:10] <dj_segfault> hylian: Yes, I know how to read
[02:10] <CFHowlett> !minimal|hylian
[02:10] <mimoid> Can someone tell me what Ubuntu packages along with GNOME for a hard disk utility?
[02:10] <psusi> I440r, you mean FHS?  it does
[02:10] <CFHowlett> saures   sorry, I read your message as "Is there" not "There is"
[02:10] <I440r> erm thats what i meant. i cant type
[02:10] <america> can anyone tell me why im having to issue "nautilus -q" after i login?
[02:10] <I440r> and no it doesnt
[02:10] <KI7MT> saintbasil, so just to be clear on the actual problem, you put a new drive in a mac laptop then tried to install Ubuntu via LiveCD or Alt CD and it failed to pickup the new hdd?
[02:10] <Loshki> fbdystang: the average comcast customer wouldn't know a modem/router if they sat on it. Even fewer would know how to configure one. Fewer still would know how to troubleshoot the result. Nothing personal, I just don't see what's in it for comcast. They'd rather lock the boxes...
[02:10] <I440r> at least not with terminfo
[02:10] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: Actually, is it possible the new drive is 6GB/s and your motherboard can't support that
[02:10] <hylian> KBentley57, i don't want to reinstall ubuntu, i simply wanted to just install kde, with existing dektop environments. thanks for the quick response though, you too saures
[02:10] <psusi> mimico, the GNOME disk utility, and gparted
[02:10] <I440r> terminfo does not belong in /lib/terminfo it should be in /usr/share/terminfo
[02:11] <mimoid> psusi: what is the gnome disk utility called exactly? If I google for it I just get gparted.
[02:11] <KBentley57> hylian, Oops, sorry.  I thought you had meant you wanted a clean install "Bare system"
[02:11] <mimoid> gnome-disk-utility?
[02:11] <mimoid> psusi: seems so
[02:11] <iandan> Hi, I know we're on #ubuntu, but I'm curious, what is the main reason you stick to using Ubuntu and not changing to MacOS (let's say Windows is not an alternative)?
[02:11] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: im looking at the manual now and indeed there is a jumper to limit it to 1.5 gb/s, just dont know if it's set by default. continuing to read before i take it apart again
[02:12] <KBentley57> gnome-disk-utility indeed
[02:12] <saintbasil> KI7MT: correct
[02:12] <CFHowlett> landan please take this convo to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:12] <psusi> iandan, because MacOS is proprietary and comes on overpriced hardware
[02:12] <KBentley57> +1.  I would snatch a macbook in a heartbeat, if they werent so overpriced.
[02:12] <psusi> saintbasil, it's not set by default
[02:13] <I440r> psusi, so why is terminfo not where the fhs says it should be ?
[02:13] <hylian> KBentley57, no, i'll save that for when 12.04 comes out... LOL
[02:13] <psusi> I440r, good question... that's odd
[02:13] <dj_segfault> mimoid: There's a command line program smartctl that can get SMART reports and trigger tests
[02:13] <saintbasil> psusi: ya that makes sense. guess i'm off to get the screwdrivers *exasperated*
[02:13] <I440r> is that a debianism?
[02:13] <L3top> Open Source.
[02:13] <psusi> I440r, probably
[02:13] <iandan> CFHowlett, no problem, I'll go there
[02:13] <I440r> ok i shud go bish at them tho (nicely :))
[02:14] <I440r> "then"
[02:14] <CFHowlett> iandan   thanks for understanding...
[02:14] <KBentley57> hylian, I love the bare install.  It's especially handy when you're between updates.  It grabs the newest packages, whereas installing say 11.10 now would install, then have to grab mounds of updates
[02:14] <KI7MT> saintbasil, well one way to test it is putting the original drive back in, and getting to the point of install where it does the hard drive detect. If it picks up you older drive, then you know the issue is with the new drive somehow.
[02:14] <saintbasil> dj_segfault, psusi, KI7MT: thank you for the help, I think I've discovered my problem and I'll try the fix now
[02:14] <hylian> dj_segfault, thanks again. I see a base apps package, is that what you meant?
[02:15] <saintbasil> KI7MT: I'll try that as well
[02:15] <dlentz> saintbasil, imac5 should read sata2 drives fine
[02:15] <saintbasil> dlentz: oh
[02:15] <hylian> KBentley57, I would too, if I didn't have slow net, along with a cap on how much I can download. suffice it to say, i love the local library for nice broadband.
[02:15] <dlentz> older intel sb's (ich4/5) had the "need to force sata 1.5gb/s" issue
[02:16] <dlentz> imac5 appears to use ich7 southbridge
[02:16] <aaron_> hi, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, but my sound continues to come out my speakers even with my headphones plugged in.  anyone know what my problem might be? lspci says i have "Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device 1714"
[02:16] <dj_segfault> hylian:  It looks like that will do what you want.
[02:16] <psusi> dlentz, and that's a regular AHCI controller right?  so should just work out of the box...
[02:16] <dlentz> psusi, ideally..
[02:17] <dj_segfault> But there is a package kdebase, which is what i was thinking of.  At least in my 10.04.
[02:17] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: So what was the problem?
[02:18] <hylian> dj_segfault, yep, thanks again. I just really don't need all the extras that comes with kde. I'd rather use my own software for that stuff. hard to beat pcmanfm or thunar for speed, leafpad for notes, all much faster than what comes with gnome 3 unity or regular kde from kubuntu.
[02:18] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: I thought it needed to be speed limited, but dlentz said it can take sata 2 just fine
[02:18] <hylian> thanks dj_segfault, KBentley57 and saures!
[02:19] <dlentz> aaron_, see if you can get more detailed info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[02:19] <KBentley57> hylian, welcome
[02:19] <kevo> Who here is a Gnomie or watches Chris Pirillo's Videos there has to be at least someone
[02:19] <KBentley57> kevo, gnomie?
[02:20] <dj_segfault> hylian: hylian As an experiment, I would try installing "kdelibs" instead of "kdebase" then install the app you want
[02:20] <CFHowlett> kevo   perhaps in #gnome
[02:20] <kevo> You don' know what a gnomie is
[02:20] <KBentley57> kevo, yes, I'm sorry, I like to ask rhetoric questions.
[02:20] <hylian> dj_segfault, i think i'll try that, you think it will give an even simpler install?
[02:21] <dj_segfault> Installing kdelibs *should* give you the ability to run KDE applications while not actually running KDE.  I think I did that on a system once
[02:21] <kr00l> Quick question. What's the best wireless chipset for Ubuntu? I need a new PCI-E WiFi card
[02:22] <dj_segfault> hylian: Why not just install the app and let it pull in the dependencies it needs?  That's what package management is all about.
[02:23] <hylian> dj_segfault, i actually do want kde, i just want the basics though, not all the other stuff the kubuntu package installs. that's what i was trying to get too.
[02:23] <KI7MT> kr00l, My preference ins and has always been intel but here's the supported HW list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[02:23] <kr00l> KI7MT thx
[02:23] <dj_segfault> hylian:  Then I would install kdebase.
[02:24] <stephan_> uhou cant you ?'
[02:24] <stephan_> you can use an hex editor for touhou cant you ?
[02:25] <hylian> dj_segfault, i did, and thanks for that. kde base is what i was looking for. so is there a unity base, or gnome 3 base?
[02:25] <KBentley57> there is a unity hylian
[02:25] <KBentley57> if you for instance (what I do on clean installs) just do a sudo apt-get install unity, it will grab the shell that is unity
[02:25] <KBentley57> there is also a gnome-shell
[02:26] <hylian> KBentley57, a unity base package with minimum install?
[02:26] <KBentley57> hylian, yeah, all it includes is the launcher, and search box
[02:27] <KBentley57> you even have to install gnome-terminal if you want it, that's how bare it is..lol
[02:27] <hylian> KBentley57, i was asking if there where also base packages for those desktops. in other words minimum installs. I don't need all the stuff the full unity, gnome 3 and kubuntu version of kde have you install.
[02:27] <hylian> KBentley57, that's beautiful!
[02:28] <KBentley57> hylian, there is a bare install of basically anything.  Remember, they all *use* ubuntu
[02:28]  * hylian is happy to know minimal installs are available :)
[02:28] <KBentley57> hylian, what you use on top of ubuntu is the desktop enviornment
[02:29] <KBentley57> hylian, the best part is, the minimal install iso is only 26 mb
[02:29] <hylian> KBentley57, yeah, I know. but i thought all de's where packaed with stuff and that was your only option. I'm an openbox man myself.
[02:30] <curiousx> cya all
[02:30] <KBentley57> hylian, absolutely not!  That's the beauty.  Speaking of openbox, I tried that myself the other day
[02:30] <hylian> well i gotta go, gotta log out :)
[02:34] <curious_> hello! does anyone know when you create a bootable USB stick for ubuntu what happens to any files/ saves?
[02:35] <dkt> Hello. ould someone please tell me what this means or how to fix it? Thank you.
[02:35] <aaron_> hi, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, but my sound continues to come out my speakers even with my headphones plugged in.  anyone know what my problem might be? here's the also info for my machine: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0499bcd79408be5fb0453b2c08078e1fef09d77a
[02:35] <KBentley57> curious_, it gets saved on the usb drive itself in persistent storage
[02:35] <curious_> thank you
[02:35] <dkt> :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[02:35] <dlentz> aaron_, see if you can get more detailed info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[02:36] <KBentley57> aaron_, can you click on the speaker and select sound setting?
[02:36] <xangua> !register | dkt
[02:36] <dkt> ok how ?
[02:36] <dkt> oh ok thank you
[02:36] <aaron_> dlentz: i appended the info to my msg above
[02:36] <dlentz> oh, i see
[02:36] <aaron_> KBentley57: i can open up sound settings, but i don't see anything that might suggest turning the speakers off with headphones in
[02:37] <KBentley57> aaron_, do you have th hardware, input, output, and applications tabs?
[02:37] <aaron_> KBentley57: ya, i do
[02:37] <xpr3ss> how to learn code in ubuntu??
[02:37] <KBentley57> aaron_, what do you see in the hardware tab
[02:37] <xpr3ss> where to start?? (programming)
[02:38] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, what language would you like to learn?
[02:38] <CFHowlett> xpr3ss   read up http://fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads/
[02:38] <aaron_> KBentley57: two devices: "Internal Audio/Analog Stereo Duplex" and "Internal Audio/Digitao Stereo (HDMI) Output"
[02:38] <xpr3ss> thank you CFHowlett, @KBentley57 any preferably beginning with most simple or basic and then working my way up to more difficult programming
[02:39] <KBentley57> aaron_, about the output tab
[02:39] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, many people say python is easier to learn than c or c++.
[02:40] <aaron_> KBentley57: in the output tab, two devices: "Internal Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) and Internal Audio Anaalog Stereo"
[02:40] <xpr3ss> KBentley57 man, im in school right now and i honestly hate c++
[02:40] <KBentley57> aaron_, select internal audio analog stereo, and for the connector, what options are available
[02:40] <xpr3ss> i figure it'd be easier to learn myself than keep dishing out a couple grand each semester
[02:41] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, i agree, ive taught myself almost all the coding i know
[02:41] <KI7MT> xpr3ss, I'd start with python as it's use extensively in Ubuntu or C/C++ they can and are used everywhere Linux.
[02:41] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, have you tried the Sams books?
[02:41] <aaron_> KBentley57: after selecting internal audio analog stereo in the output tab, the only settings i see are "Balance: left to right"
[02:42] <dlentz> aaron_, you might need something like this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:  options snd-hda-intel model=ideapad
[02:42] <h4ckm3> c++ is awesome dude
[02:42] <h4ckm3> so many powers
[02:42] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, ISBN 0-672-32711-2, i just recommended that book to one of my students, they're great intro books
[02:42] <xpr3ss> KBentley57 have not tried sams books
[02:42] <KBentley57> aaron_, you don't have a connector pull down menu?
[02:42] <xpr3ss> okay great thanks
[02:43] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, its c++ of course, but there are many in that series
[02:43] <hylian> KBentley57, sorry I cut you off mid sentence
[02:43] <KBentley57> hylian, its cool, i know we all have to leave at some point
[02:43] <aaron_> KBentley57: i don't believe i do unless i need to move to a different tab.  Under "settings for the selected device" the only setting is for balance
[02:43] <aaron_> KBentley57: should i have my headphones plugged in already?
[02:44] <xpr3ss> okay, appreciate it, how bout programs to run code in??
[02:44] <hylian> KBentley57, yeah, had to log out.
[02:44] <aaron_> dlentz: so i tried that, but do i need to reboot before any changes take effect?
[02:44] <Grymmoire> I try to use wubi to get my computer to be able to boot Ubuntu from the CD (since it will not do it already like most computers) and I get this
[02:44] <Grymmoire> AttributeError: 'WindowsBackend' object has no attribute 'cd_path'
[02:44] <dlentz> you need to reload alsa: sudo alsa force-reload
[02:44] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, all you *require* is already installed - gcc.  If you want an IDE, I like netbeans
[02:44] <KBentley57> you can code in notepad if you want
[02:45] <KBentley57> aaron_, i don't think it should matter
[02:45] <hylian> KBentley57, if your not too busy, this is what my desktop looks like: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YDn4455GJBU/T2DdIMhW-dI/AAAAAAAAASg/8gAWNqfeRjI/s320/obmenu.png
[02:45] <KBentley57> aaron_, have you ever used pastebin?
[02:45] <Grymmoire> Anyone know how I can get Ubuntu to load off the CD?
[02:45] <apporc> Hello everyone. I got one problem\
[02:45] <xpr3ss> oh okay, im still adjusting to ubuntu, so used window and visual basic.
[02:45] <xpr3ss> Grymmoire Boot option
[02:45] <aaron_> KBentley57: ya, is there something else i can give you to help me?
[02:46] <xpr3ss> usually f12 on most laptops n desktops
[02:46] <Grymmoire> xpr3ss: I already tried the boot menu earlier, I don't have the option to boot from CD at all
[02:46] <hylian> KBentley57, sent you the wrong one, that was the thumb nail... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YDn4455GJBU/T2DdIMhW-dI/AAAAAAAAASg/8gAWNqfeRjI/s1600/obmenu.png
[02:46] <xpr3ss> next best option is booting from USB
[02:46] <Grymmoire> I do have a USB option but I don't have any free USB sticks lying around, just my luck
[02:46] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, if you open synaptic, search for netbeans, you can select to install it.  give it a try
[02:46] <KBentley57> hylian, i thought it was tiny..lol
[02:46] <xpr3ss> okay thanks KBentley57
[02:47] <gdea73> I need help configuring X for my hybrid graphics laptop, A8-3420M with Radeon HD 6550M...
[02:47] <KBentley57> aaron_, can you pastebin the output of "sudo lshw"?
[02:47] <Grymmoire> Guess I'll put off installing ubuntu till I can get my hands on a USB stick then
[02:47] <gdea73> I tried the standard "amdconfig --initial," but I boot to tty1 and get no DE
[02:47] <KBentley57> aaron_, you may have to install lshw first - it lists all hardware in your system
[02:47] <apporc> Hello everyone. I got one problem. with vmstat i saw that the cpu is busy "cs" ,and there are many "running procs" than the number of cpu core. so maybe the cpu is busying swiching between process and just do nothing. Now everything is two slow.
[02:47] <gdea73> i.e. tty7 just shows system messages in low res.
[02:47] <apporc> anyone can help?
[02:47] <KBentley57> aaron_, while your at it, can you post the output of lsmod?
[02:47] <gdea73> I tried amdconfig --adapter 0,1 --initial but I get the same result
[02:47] <gdea73> * but thec omputer boots ITSELF to tty1
[02:48] <KBentley57> hylian, that's a nice looking desktop
[02:48] <gdea73> so has anyone successfully set up FGLRX on an APU with hybrid graphics??
[02:48] <KBentley57> hylian, what dock are you using
[02:49] <hylian> KBentley57, tint2
[02:49] <aaron_> KBentley57: ok here it is: lshw - http://pastebin.com/sZSFJL39 ; lsmod - http://pastebin.com/a45TZ3Gx
[02:49] <KBentley57> gdea73, does that command do the same thing as aticonfig --adapter=all --initial?
[02:49] <gdea73> I'm not sure, I will try that next
[02:49] <xpr3ss> KBentley 57, how about learning commands and stuff for the terminal?
[02:49] <KBentley57> gdea73, i use the amd drivers all the time, i'm not sure about the comma
[02:50] <gdea73> thanks, rebooting it now
[02:50] <aaron_> KBentley57: if it means anything, when i plug my headphones in, the speakers do get a little softer, and the music comes out my headphones, but the speakers still emit sound
[02:50] <gdea73> comma?
[02:50] <gdea73> oh
[02:50] <KBentley57> but im sure its fine it if takes the comman
[02:50] <gdea73> well it was the only result I found for amdconfig APU
[02:50] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, there is an ebook i had for that, that was nice.  let me see if i can find it again. one sec
[02:50] <hylian> xpr3ss, just out of curiosity, what commands do you need or want to know?
[02:50] <gdea73> except remember this isn't a black screen error, the laptop just doesn't use any graphics acceleration at all. The desktop doesn't show up. It boots to TTY1.
[02:51] <dlentz> aaron_, any luck after reloading alsa?
[02:51] <KBentley57> aaron_, im wondering if you have line-in or something like that on
[02:51] <aaron_> dlentz: no luck :X
[02:51] <gdea73> alright KBentley57, I'm rebooting it now, let's see if the login screen shows up this time
[02:51] <KBentley57> gdea73, did you install the catalyst drives from the software center?
[02:51] <KBentley57> gdea73, hold up
[02:51] <KBentley57> gdea73, or did you get them from the website?
[02:52] <gdea73> KBentley57, I installed them manually via the guide at wiki.cchtml.com for Maverick.
[02:52] <gdea73> and BTW it booted to tty1 again, no desktop.
[02:52] <KBentley57> gdea73, you know you have to recompile/install them after every kernel update right?
[02:52] <hylian> KBentley57, aaron_'s problem sounds like the auto mute isn't functioning...
[02:52] <aaron_> KBentley57: i googled line-in but didn't understand what that is.  i don't believe i've installed any pacakges that were intended to mess with the soundcard
[02:52] <KBentley57> gdea73, unless, that is, you set up dkms
[02:53] <KBentley57> aaron_, line-in is sort of like a pass through, meaning you could for instance have a mic in, and pass that sound out of the speakers, if that makes sense
[02:53] <gdea73> Well, every real kernel update, right?
[02:53] <gdea73> And I didn't think Maverick was going anywhere after 2.6.35-xx
[02:53] <dlentz> aaron_, the term you're looking for is "jack sensing" and it's usually fixes by adding a  model=<something? or upgrading alsa
[02:53] <mylisto23> has anyone ever had a problem with supergrub not booting?
[02:53] <KBentley57> gdea73, true, but i always uninstall the old drivers first
[02:53] <gdea73> I've got 2.6.35-32 right now, and my manually-installed WiFi (RT3090) module carried over from -22, so I hope FGLRX would.
[02:54] <KBentley57> try to uninstall the old drivers, boot to tty, install the new drivers and what not
[02:54] <xpr3ss> hylian i would like to learn as much as possible, nothing specific
[02:54] <gdea73> well that sounds like kind of a pain. It's worked on my desktop across multiple kernel upgrades, I just haven't updated Catalyst itself, but 3D accel etc still work alright
[02:54] <aaron_> dlentz: ah, that did bring many threads up.  i'm looking through them now
[02:55] <gdea73> so anyway amdconfig --adapter=all --initial didn't work. What else should I try? In this case I have a quad-core APU coupled with a Radeon HD 6650M, so I'd hope to be able to use switchable/hybrid graphics.
[02:55] <KBentley57> aaron_, i don't see anything that stands out in the pastebin stuff,
[02:55] <gdea73> I have the laptop connected to AC power at the moment.
[02:55] <xpr3ss> hylian, i would like to learn as much as possible, not looking for specifics
[02:55] <KBentley57> gdea73, can you grab the amd drivers from the website? the 12.2 ones that were just released a few days ago?
[02:55] <aaron_> dlentz: KBentley57 oo ok, so i found a thread on google that said i should try installing inux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic package and reboot my computer.
[02:56] <gdea73> ... I suppose I could, if there's nothing else to do as far as AMDCONFIG is concerned.
[02:56] <aaron_> dlentz: KBentley57 i will try this and come back.  thanks a bunch for your help!
[02:56] <gdea73> It just took me... a while ... to get fglrx installed right manually. And I thought AMD's website always offered Catalyst 8, or something in compatible
[02:56] <dlentz> aaron_, yes that sounds reasonable (and easily undoable)
[02:56] <gdea73> (just like their Win98 drivers for the Rage 128 Pro which don't actually work XD)
[02:56] <gdea73> (but that's unrelated., that was a different PC altogether)
[02:56] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Did you install it on a laptop or desktop with ubuntu linux
[02:57] <xpr3ss> KBentley57 any luck??
[02:57] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion, I'm running it on a laptop, a Lenovo IdeaPad Z575, with an AMD A6-3420M APU and AMD Radeon HD 6650M discrete graphics.
[02:57] <gdea73> And 6GB of DDR3 :D
[02:57] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Have you noticed if Ubuntu runs hot on your laptop ?
[02:58] <hylian> xpr3ss, i like this website, because it is a nice paced linux console commands walkthrough... http://linuxcommand.org/
[02:58] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, still looking
[02:58] <KBentley57> actually that may have been what hylian posted
[02:58] <xpr3ss> okay great thanks
[02:59] <KBentley57> gdea73 are you running 64 or 32 bit
[02:59] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion, I haven't noticed excessive heat, but I've noticed comparably terrible battery performance. It's "estimated" at 2:20 after a full charge and that's about accurate, though it's supposed to last 4.5. It's 64 bit 10.10.
[02:59] <gdea73> KBentley57, it's 64 bit.
[03:00] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Install xsensors and tell me what your temperatures are sudo apt-get install xsensors
[03:00] <gdea73> I had xsensors installed already before I lost access to the DE.
[03:00] <hylian> gdea73, so i am assuming you used ubuntu's hardware driver utility, and it had nothing for you there, or ???
[03:00] <gdea73> now when I boot I get kicked to tty1 right away; tty7 shows the status menus
[03:00] <Dulak> gdea73: My battery capacity went up when I moved from lucid to precise,  They have apparently fixed whatever regression in the kernel was causing the power issues.
[03:01] <gdea73> hylian, I ran the Additional Drivers utility, and it did show FGLRX, and it probably would've worked, but I wanted to run Catalysts 12.2 because I figured it'd have better support for the APU.
[03:01] <KBentley57> gdea73 http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[03:01] <gdea73> Dulak, thanks, though I'm running Maverick on Kernel 2.6.35-32-generic, and I already tried the acpi=force option for extended battery life mentioned across the web.
[03:01] <gdea73> KBentley57, alright opening link, just a second :P
[03:01] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, That's what I heard that next LTS version of Ubuntu will have more power saving mode for laptops
[03:01] <gdea73> ah, so should I really use AMD's regular installer from the site?
[03:01] <KBentley57> dgea73 that will take a second to dl, lets get the old drivers out while we're waiting
[03:01] <hylian> gdea73, ahh, I see. are you sure the fglrx installed properly? it's been quite a while since i used ati hardware on a linux box.
[03:02] <KBentley57> gdea73, yes
[03:02] <Quantum_Ion> I had to purge fglrx completely from my system
[03:02] <gdea73> hylian, well it took me a couple hours of trial and error, but I thought so. It compiled correctly and I finally got amdconfig recognized as a command. I could successfully run amdconfig --initial, but it wouldn't load Gnome after that.
[03:02] <KBentley57> gdea73, let me rephrase that - I have used amd's drivers on my system for years and they work fine
[03:02] <Dulak> gdea73: There is a regression somewhere in 2.6.x that causes it to eat more power than it should, the acpi=force thing doesn't fix that, it fixes another issue with acpi not working correctly so none of the power saving works.
[03:03] <KBentley57> gdea73, do you have access to the box now?
[03:03] <Quantum_Ion> Right now I am running Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 LTS with powersaver and a script to keep my laptop cool
[03:03] <gdea73> KBentley57, alright I guess I will. I just have had problems in the past using their auto-installer, wiki.cchtml.com's Maverick guide was far more successful for my desktop. But this is my laptop, and there's nothing else I can do, so I will try those drivers in just a minute.
[03:03] <hylian> gdea73, what happens when you initiate startx yourself?
[03:03] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: I went from 4 hours to almost 5.5 hours just upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04
[03:03] <gdea73> I do have access to the laptop. I'm just simultaneously doing work on my old laptop. And typing on my desktop ;)
[03:03] <zod21> whats up fellas
[03:03] <gdea73> hylian, I don't know. I'll run the command.
[03:03] <KBentley57> gdea73, ha, ive been there many a time
[03:04] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, With powersaver mode and lowpowerscript my laptop temps are like 71/64 and I have a dual core AMD processor
[03:04] <CFHowlett> zod21   greetings
[03:04] <zod21> help
[03:04] <gdea73> KBentley57, haha yeah well... at least getting closer to the weekend.
[03:04] <zod21> lol
[03:04] <CFHowlett> !ask|zod21
[03:04] <gdea73> hylian, I tried the command and I got a bunch of errors, followed by error 11 - segfault.
[03:04] <Quantum_Ion> Before my laptop was running hot and the fans were on full blast
[03:05] <gdea73> "Signal 11 (segmentation fault)"
[03:05] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: That is hot!  You can't call that a laptop, it'll burn you if you put it in your lap.
[03:05] <gdea73> * "caught" signal 11
[03:05] <zod21> so whats goin on everyone, im so pumped to have this running on my system again, i am so sick of windows
[03:05] <KBentley57> gdea73 navigate to /usr/share/ati and tell me if you see fglrx-uninstall.sh
[03:05] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: I'll get you info on the temps when I get X working again.
[03:05] <hylian> gdea73, hmm, is there any way you could dump that to a pastebin? it might be nothing, but maybe we could see somethging there..??
[03:05] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, I know it did start to burn my leg
[03:05] <gdea73> KBentley57, you got it, just a minute
[03:05] <gdea73> *walks over to corner of room, with new laptop charging*
[03:06] <zod21> and has anyone seen windows 8, its the windows phone + xbox360 os its f$($ing retarded
[03:06] <Quantum_Ion> My laptop shuts down when it hits 100 degrees
[03:06] <gdea73> hylian I can manually copy it onto my old laptop or something but that would be a bit of a pain.
[03:06] <KBentley57> zod21, not the place
[03:06] <gdea73> zod21, yup, it is dumb, but apparently okay for tablets.
[03:06] <CFHowlett> zod21   this is #ubuntu support.  For general chitchat, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:06] <Quantum_Ion> zod21, Windows is dead here
[03:06] <gdea73> but yes neither place nor time
[03:06] <zod21> hahahaha
[03:06] <zod21> no joke
[03:06] <gdea73> okay umm... /usr/share/ati, just a second
[03:06] <Dulak> zod21: Yeah, it's good though, it means linux has a chance at the desktop finally, because windows 8 sucks on a desktop
[03:06] <gdea73> KBentley57, shoot, all I see is one file, amdcccle.
[03:07] <hylian> gdea73, i would think you it would be easier to run something like links, and then perhaps go to google from there. i'm gonna try it, i live in the cli anyways.
[03:07] <Quantum_Ion> No need to really run Windows anymore I have been using Ubuntu for a while now
[03:07] <KBentley57> gdea73, ok try to run "locate fglrx" and tell me what you see
[03:08] <gdea73> hylian, I would, except the wireless driver doesn't appear to be working when I'm in TTY1. Which is strange. And a pain. it took me all day to get WiFi working :
[03:08] <gdea73> :P
[03:08] <gdea73> KBentley57, I'll try.
[03:08] <zod21> dulak yeah thats the most awesome thing about it, i wasnt bitching i think that rules. linux is about to be a big hit. and technichal question @cfhowlett does anyone know if they are going to keep the Gnome3 interface even after what torvalds had to say about it on the next distro because i hate it. i went back to 10.04 because i thought it was better
[03:09] <Quantum_Ion> I think April 12th 2012 is when Ubuntu LTS comes out
[03:09] <gdea73> a lot of lines came up, including stuff in /usr/share, and something with "modaliases" in it. Can't copy all of it ATM though.
[03:09] <hylian> gdea73, aww, dang. did you install wicd by any chance?
[03:09] <R3db3ard> !rules
[03:09] <gdea73> wicd? Don't remember doing so.
[03:09] <Radiobuzz> hello guys
[03:09] <zod21> what up buzz
[03:09] <Radiobuzz> I'm having a problem with grub and I was hoping someone could help me :)
[03:09] <gdea73> Yeah the ralink rt3090 was a PAIN to get working. I had to, among other things, compile it with like 8 special parameters, blacklist every other module known to man, and run some other commands ... >_<
[03:09] <R3db3ard> !offtopic zod
[03:09] <Radiobuzz> hey zod
[03:10] <Dulak> zod21: gnome 3 is here to stay, it just needs to mature,  with the new plugins many things are coming back to gnome 3 from gnome 2
[03:10] <su> hey does anyone know how to change the address bar in thunar to an actual path? is there something like gconf-editor for it?
[03:10] <gdea73> Well I'm thinking what I should do now is apt-get remove --purge fglrx, and rm -rf /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and sudo apt-get install (vesa drivers?)
[03:10] <DJ> su you need to install gnome-tweak-tools
[03:10] <KBentley57> gdea73 bingo
[03:10] <gdea73> Dulak: Do you know if AllTray was ever updated to work with anything other than </= 10.10?
[03:11] <DJ> so you can tweak your Bar and Much more in Gnome su
[03:11] <Dulak> gdea73: I don't know what AllTray is so no
[03:11] <Radiobuzz> I'm trying to boot from an ISO file, which is located on (hd0,7), however grub2 can't find the file and when I look at other grub entries I see that instead of using hd0,x, it uses (for every entry, OpenSuSE and Windows) hd0,msdosX
[03:11] <su> DJ: isn't thunar xfce though? I just installed the xfce desktop and am in it
[03:11] <kalimojo> gdea73 i had the same problem with ralink
[03:11] <gdea73> KBentley57, alright I guess I'll do that, and then just use ATI's downloadable drivers. However, what was the package I was to install, for the vesa drivers. I removed them before. That's why I'm stuck at a terminal.
[03:11] <Radiobuzz> I tried replacing hd0,7 with hd0,msdos7 with no luck
[03:11] <gdea73> kalimojo, yeah I tried to write a quick and dirty tutorial on my thread, see Lenovo IdeaPad Z575 WiFI ;)
[03:11] <KBentley57> gdea73, did you download the drivers at the link i gave?
[03:11] <gdea73> Dulak, it was a utility that allowd you to pin stuff to the system tray
[03:12] <zod21> @Dulak yeah i hope, i just like the old school stuff, my favorite distro is still 7.10 it ran on my system like a charm
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73, you don't need to be in x to install the drivers
[03:12] <gdea73> I don't?
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73 not at all
[03:12] <zod21> whats the command in here for @ someone, i forgot because i am a retard
[03:12] <gdea73> Well I need WiFi to download them, and I'd rather not do the USB stick deal right now...
[03:12] <KatsumeBlisk> Tab zod21
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73, when you get them downloaded, all you need to do is cd to Downloads
[03:12] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: Just start typing their name and hit Tab
[03:12] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Next laptop I purchase will be a Lenovo or a Toshiba right now I am using a Gateway/Acer laptop they kind of suck
[03:12] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: oh my god that's how you do that?!?! I always wondered how to do that in IRC!!
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73 then run "sudo ./amd-blah-blah.run
[03:13] <Radiobuzz> so to make the question simpler: why does my grub entries use hd0,msdosX instead of hd0,X?
[03:13] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: haha yeah, I've heard, bad things about Gateway laptops.
[03:13] <zod21> katsumeblisk
[03:13] <gdea73> The school where I live purchased a couple billion dollar deal with gateway right before they filed bankruptcy... lol
[03:13] <KBentley57> gde33, lol, it took me a long time to figure the tab thing out too
[03:13] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, yeah never buy one because Gateway is Acer now
[03:13] <Dulak> zod21: another 6 months to a year and most everything you had on gnome 2 should be working under gnome 3 with the plugin system,  though I'm sure there will be plenty of programs that don't get ported, functionality has a habit of getting reimplemented in this type of situation.  It just takes time.
[03:13] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: Maybe I didn't understand your question. :P
[03:14] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: I kind of forgot that, yeah thanks. I always had more respect for Acer as a brand, lol. Though I loved old Gateway desktops. I have what I call the "SuperGateway," a blend of P3 and P2 era computing, all Gateway branded components & peripherals, including a Gaetway CRT! :D
[03:14] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: that's funny because I only buy acer laptops, and have always had a good experience with them.
[03:14] <hylian> gdea73, another option would be to use the live cd. you use backspace as it is loading until you get a cli menu. then you can choose safe menu. you should then be able to find a menu option for booting with the default (but crappy) gui driver. this would atleast get you back out of cli land... but then you would have to remove that driver, and either try to re-install it or choose one from the ubuntu driver repositories...
[03:14] <zod21> @dulak freakin awesome. i love ubuntu, i can do anything, and i just put backtrack on a flash drive and i now can really do whatever lol, it is awesome
[03:14] <miguel_> if i want to use wget to get all files from a website that start with the name miguel how can i do it???
[03:14] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, I installed Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS on a friends old Toshiba laptop made in 2005 and his laptop runs 10 times faster then it ran with Windows pretty strange huh
[03:15] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: well, if I get fglrx to work sometime I'll let you know, you should consider the Z575 for an upgrade; it seems to be a really nice laptop. Just it came with Win7 which is... just not acceptable for me ;P
[03:15] <zod21> @dulak, how many distros have you been through
[03:15] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, People always tell me the best laptops for Linux are Lenovo
[03:15] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: Not strange at all, Ubuntu is so far better optimized, at least on the right hardwrae :)
[03:15] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: not to be a jerk but 10.04 was released in 2010
[03:15] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: He probably means that the laptop is 7 years old, not the distro
[03:15] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, I know I only due the LTS releases
[03:15] <stephan_> can anyone tell me about linux from scratch ?
[03:15] <gdea73> hylian: that seems like it would work except I'd prefer to use the wireless. Which I can't unelss I'm in X on my native install. I think. Though I don't see why the module rt3090sta wouldn't load in tty1. Maybe I'll try again.
[03:16] <Dulak> zod21: I started using linux it 1995, and have worked with just about every distro that has any sort of popularity, because I was a syseng at a server hosting company.
[03:16] <zod21> @dulak and do you ever mess with kde, i ran it a while back and i despised it. it was annoying and slower
[03:16] <gdea73> So can anyone confirm (or just say they would for my sanity's sake) that the A8 + 6650M will work alright with fglrx, and some 3D acceleration? :S
[03:16] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: I'm using KDE right now.
[03:16] <gdea73> (and then I'll go reinstall the vesa graphics and install from ATI's site the autoinstaller)
[03:16] <hylian> gdea73, that's iffy. My wireless works right off the live cd, but this is a pretty simple little netbook I have here.
[03:16] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, laptop was made in 2005 it had Windows XP on it and when I installed Ubuntu Linux 10.04 the laptop was very fast
[03:16] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: Getting used to it. Decided to try it out
[03:16] <Dulak> zod21: I never really cared for kde,  I have messed with it but not that much, I always end up back on gnome or xfce
[03:17] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, KDE is the darkhorse for some reason
[03:17] <Radiobuzz> so, noone can help me? :3
[03:17] <gdea73> hylian: well that's ... lucky. as I explained, it took me a long time to get the RT3090 working. A loong time. And now I have to do the work I put off! :P
[03:17] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: Yeah I just misunderstood what you said, thought you were saying you installed 10.04 in 2005.
[03:17] <zod21> @dulak much respect bro that rules, ive only used mint, dsl and ubuntu
[03:17] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, np
[03:17] <gdea73> I'll be on... tomorrow afternoon I suppose, and I can finish this battle with fglrx
[03:17] <KBentley57> Radiobuzz, what is your question
[03:17] <hylian> gdea73, sorry... that sucks. using ndis wrapper?
[03:17] <Redjack1964> someone can tell me how can i add a include search path in environment variables?
[03:18] <gdea73> I really hope I can run Minecraft on this thing, reasonably well. As that and YouTube-ing are the only things I miss with my current laptop.
[03:18] <miguel_> if i want to use wget to get all files from a website that start with the name miguel how can i do it???
[03:18] <Quantum_Ion> I don't have time to mess around with every new release of Ubuntu that's why I just upgrade when the LTS releases come out
[03:18] <Dulak> Redjack1964: you want to add a path that is searched when you try to execute commands?
[03:18] <KBentley57> miguel_, man wget
[03:18] <zod21> @katsumeblisk yeah, i had it for a few months, liked it at first kindof mainly because of the change but i got annoyed by it after a while and whent back to gnome. i just like the interface a ton more
[03:18] <miguel_> KBentley57: i can't find it there
[03:18] <KatsumeBlisk> Quantum_Ion: I thought about that, but I really like the latest software.
[03:18] <Redjack1964> Dulak: not a command, but a include/ repertory.
[03:18] <Radiobuzz> KBentley57: trying to make grub2 boot from an iso file which is located in hd0,7 but grub can't find it; when I read the grub config file I realise every entry uses hd0,msdosX instead of hd0,X
[03:18] <hylian> gdea73, minecraft runs beautiful, just do not use icedtea6 plugin or open jdk. make sure it is from sun/oracle or it won't work at all.
[03:19] <gdea73> hylian: I don't remember. Probably. I had to compile the module and blacklist a bunch for it to work. I was real excited when it did though.
[03:19] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: I do exactly the same thing, I just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 to beat the server issues that happen whenever an LTS is released.
[03:19] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: I'm deciding between KDE, Cinnamon, and Xfce. Just installed this, so I'm going to wait. Can't pass judgment on a DE in only a few days.
[03:19] <Quantum_Ion> Just like I upgrade Oracle Java when full versions come out like Java 7 I will wait for Java 8 and so on
[03:19] <gdea73> sorry that was from earlier. Well I meant I'd hope Minecraft would run well on my A8 + 6550M, not just Ubuntu in general. I've used Ubuntu before with Minecraft and it's great, both on my server and workstation :)
[03:19] <KBentley57> Radiobuzz, i just tried to do that a few days ago actually.  how risky are you feeling?
[03:19] <gdea73> (but those have discrete graphics only, no hybrid/APU chipset deal)
[03:19] <Radiobuzz> very :)
[03:19] <KBentley57> miguel_, give me a moment and ill try to look something up
[03:19] <Dulak> Redjack1964: I am not sure what you need there, what exactly are you wanting to do?
[03:19] <gdea73> alright I have some time for troubleshooting now, but not much. I've got to get up early to finish what I was working on, besides the laptop :(
[03:20] <KBentley57> Radiobuzz, can you make a new blank partition?
[03:20] <Radiobuzz> wait, I'll PM you
[03:20] <Quantum_Ion> In my younger days I had a lot of time to install new versions of Ubuntu when a new version came out but not anymore sometimes installing software and tweaking it can take up too much of my time
[03:20]  * hylian loves openbox with tint2, faster than greased ligntinin'
[03:20] <gdea73> earlier today I was considering a reformat, but now that WiFi works, that's beyond my reach and willpower :D
[03:20] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: I know how you feel, I'm running out of time to do anything these days :P
[03:21] <gdea73> I keep wanting to get around to installing Arch on my Asus Terminator C3, but I never have the time...
[03:21] <KBentley57> Quantum_Ion, tell me about it, reinstalling up to 10 programs i use and have configured could take a full day
[03:21] <gdea73> and plus since it doesn't have the (cx8 cmov) instruction, things are difficult when an i686 is required :D
[03:21] <KBentley57> Quantum_Ion, if there were no hiccups
[03:21] <gdea73> alright I'm going to remove fglrx or the remainder of it, and install the opensource radeon drivers.
[03:22] <hylian> gdea73, my suggestion would be to remove the driver you where using altogether. once you have done that, we should hopefully be able to walk you through the cli to get a known functioning driver installed.
[03:22] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, goodluck
[03:22] <KBentley57> gdea73, i would go with the closed source drivers, if it were me
[03:22] <KBentley57> gdea73, gl though@
[03:23] <gdea73> @all three of you: thanks for the good luck wishes ;) . And I am ultimately going to use the closed source drivers, I'm just reinstalling vesa to get to my desktop, to get to the AMD website :D
[03:23] <gdea73> though I know I have like 5 other PCs I could use, I'm too... well it's a weird type of laziness. I don't mind the software work, I just don't want to have to find my USB drive or replug the network cable from the C3 into the laptop and rewire stuff :P
[03:23] <Dulak> gdea73: They offer ubuntu debs on that site?
[03:24] <Quantum_Ion> Sarah, Hi
[03:24] <R3db3ard> gdea73, you only have to do it once.
[03:24] <miguel_> KBentley57: anything?
[03:24] <xpr3ss> KBentley57, any luck??
[03:27] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, start here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[03:27] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, i haven' found the book yet, I'm not sure i saved it
[03:27] <gdea73> Dulak: on the AMD site? Apparently... (?)
[03:27] <gdea73> oh crap, abort!
[03:27] <gdea73> "cannot stat '/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory'
[03:28] <gdea73> well ... okay then
[03:28] <gdea73> I'll just reboot.
[03:28] <KBentley57> miguel_, im not sure if this is what you need, http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/downloading-entire-web-site-wget
[03:28] <xpr3ss> okay well thanks anyway for what you have provide
[03:28] <L3top> I can help with video driver/issues
[03:28] <xpr3ss> provided**
[03:28] <KBentley57> you're welcome.  If i see you back in a while maybe ill have found it
[03:28] <gdea73> L3top: that'd be great, well I'm working on them atm but if I need further help it'd be greatly appreciated.
[03:29] <gdea73> woo, back to the desktop! ... with the crappy open source drivers :P
[03:29] <gdea73> alright so, KBentley57: now I go to AMD's site?
[03:29] <L3top> You will have to completely purge the fglrx drivers in order to use the radeon
[03:29] <L3top> can you give me the output of lspci | grep "VGA"
[03:29] <gdea73> L3top:  I have done so. (If you're talking to me.) I'm going to reinstall them now, using the link that KBentley57 provided :)
[03:29] <gdea73> ... though, I can.
[03:29] <KBentley57> gdea73 yes, grab those drivers
[03:30] <gdea73> there are two listings:
[03:30] <gdea73> (1) 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9647
[03:30] <L3top> I just wanted to make sure your chipset is supported first... I am just catching up gdea73
[03:30] <gdea73> and (2) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 6741
[03:30] <L3top> can you give me the output of lspci -v | grep "VGA"
[03:30] <gdea73> L3top: well that's the thing, it's the new A8 APU so I really hope it's supported.
[03:30] <KBentley57> gdea73 i know, those are the ones you need
[03:30] <gdea73> L3top: with quotes? Alright, I will.
[03:30] <L3top> thats correct then
[03:31] <gdea73> exact same output.
[03:31] <L3top> KBentley57 is correct
[03:31] <gdea73> alright, 'ill go back and find that link
[03:31] <gdea73> *I'll
[03:31] <L3top> -v was the addition
[03:31] <L3top> but I dont need it
[03:31] <gdea73> L3top: okay thanks, off to install fgrlx.
[03:31] <L3top> fglrx*
[03:31] <L3top> :)
[03:32] <endra> Hello
[03:32] <KBentley57> L3top, i always f'd that up too..lol
[03:32] <L3top> I used to
[03:32] <KBentley57> hey endra, whats up?
[03:32] <gdea73> ah, this file looks almost identical to the one I compiled before (?)
[03:32] <gdea73> KBentley57: do I just "run" the .run file? And it installs for me?
[03:32] <endra> KBentley57: hey how's it going? Everything is okay here :-)
[03:32] <L3top> !pm > Guest2732
[03:32] <endra> My ubuntu server went down sometime in the past hour and I only have access via SSH. I got it rebooted but I would like to see the reason it went down. How can I do that?
[03:33] <KBentley57> gdea73, yes, run with sudo
[03:33] <KBentley57> sudo ./amd------.run
[03:33] <gdea73> KBentley57: you got it... running now.
[03:33] <KBentley57> select (1)
[03:33] <xpr3ss> have a goodnight everyone, thanks for the help
[03:33] <KBentley57> don't just hit enter
[03:33] <gdea73> darn, command not found, should I "sh" it? (haha)
[03:33] <KBentley57> later xpr3ss
[03:33] <dj_segfault> endra: Did you look in /var/log/messages?
[03:33] <KBentley57> sudo sh ./amd---.run
[03:33] <KBentley57> haha
[03:33] <gdea73> alright.
[03:34]  * L3top just finished writing autodetection for every card on the planet for project... so is just fresh in it
[03:34] <gdea73> okay it's uncompressing "Catalyst 8.95"
[03:34] <gdea73> (sadface at Catalyst 8)
[03:34] <KBentley57> yeah, ...... everywhere..lol
[03:34] <gdea73> (for hybrid GPU)
[03:34] <endra> dj_segfault: any specific file?
[03:34] <KBentley57> oh, it said no?
[03:34] <gdea73> ooh a graphical installer, that's slightly different :D
[03:34] <dj_segfault> endra: uhh... /var/log/messages?
[03:34] <endra> dj_segfault: that does not exist for me
[03:34] <KBentley57> define graphical?  a blue background text installer?..haha
[03:35] <gdea73> should I:
[03:35] <gdea73> [1] Install Driver 8.95 on X.Org 6.9 or later 64-bit, or
[03:35] <KBentley57> select 1, don't do the debs
[03:35] <gdea73> [2] Generate Distribution-Specific DriverPackage?
[03:35] <KBentley57> [1]
[03:35] <gdea73> alright, I will, thanks.
[03:35] <gdea73> auto, or custom?
[03:35] <dj_segfault> How can /var/log/messages not exist?  Did they change the name of the logfiles?
[03:35] <KBentley57> auto
[03:35] <gdea73> I suppose Auto couldn't hurt, but do you have an opinion? alright thanks.
[03:35] <KBentley57> auto has always worked better for me
[03:36] <Dulak> dj_segfault: they got rid of /var/log/messages in maverick I think,  it's not there in precise for sure
[03:36] <KBentley57> dj_segfault, ls a dir at a time
[03:36] <Linux7> where to find all sites that logs typed password?
[03:36] <KBentley57> eh?
[03:36] <endra> dj_segfault: it appears that I can look at /var/log/syslog now
[03:37] <dj_segfault> endra: Sorry for leading you astray.  I'm still running 10.04LTS.
[03:37] <Dulak> dj_segfault: except it is there in precise, hmmmm
[03:37] <gdea73> woot! It worked, so far.
[03:37] <Dulak> endra: what distro are you running?
[03:37] <gdea73> wait, before I reboot, do I run amdconfig manually? or just reboot?
[03:37] <endra> Dulak: latest ubuntu-server
[03:37] <endra> dj_segfault: not a problem, I really appreciate your help :-)
[03:38] <gdea73> okay i'll just let it reboot
[03:38] <KBentley57> gdea73, sudo aticonfig --adapter=all --initial
[03:38] <KBentley57> before or after, doesn't really matter
[03:38] <Dulak> endra: /var/log/kern is also good, if it was a kernel issue you should get some info there
[03:38] <dr-willis> its now called amdconfig isent it?
[03:38] <KBentley57> it's still aticonfig in the latest driver
[03:39] <researcher123> I have an aptonCD.iso of my  earlier installed applications.Now I want to restore but cant load the image.Any help?
[03:39] <dr-willis> they renamed some of their other tools. i noticed the other day. i rarely use ati
[03:39] <gdea73> KBentley57:  well I rebooted and it appears to work, which is sweet, full 1366x768, but I'll run the command now.
[03:40] <dr-willis> researcher123:  mount the iso perhaps
[03:40] <gdea73> alright I did, and I"m rebooting :)
[03:40] <dr-willis> !iso
[03:40] <Dulak> What aspect is 1366x768, 16:9?
[03:40] <gdea73> Dulak: correct.
[03:40] <Dulak> gdea73: you lucky bastid
[03:40] <endra> This seems to be why it went offline: http://pastebin.com/XqSQGqS9
[03:41] <gdea73> BTW, sometimes when I close the lid (suspend), the laptop never wakes up. It does on a hardware level but the screen stays off. I have to take out the battery (!!) to get it to POST again. Hardware or software problem? I see nothing about resuming in any system log.
[03:41] <gdea73> Dulak: lol
[03:41] <gdea73> KBentley57: oh noes! I'm stuck at "checking batttery state," i.e. TTY7 has no interface now.
[03:41] <gdea73> stuck at the ugly splash, as it were
[03:42] <KBentley57> gdea73 do the config and reboot
[03:42] <gdea73> okay now my backspace key is doing nothing, and my right arrow is acting like a spacebar
[03:42] <Dulak> gdea73: suspend has always been a bit buggy, I stopped trying and moved to hibernate instead.  It's a bit slower, but not as buggy.
[03:42] <K350> is there ayone who knows how to setup mutt with mixmaster?
[03:42] <KBentley57> gdea, oh wait, it was fine, you configged, and now its broke?
[03:42] <gdea73> KBentley57: good call on hibernate. but also, this is AFTER configuring it like that. I'm going to try just --initial.
[03:42] <gdea73> yeah it worked before :S
[03:42] <K350> There's NOT a single line on google on how to setup mutt wiht mixmastr. Not a line , nothing
[03:43] <Dulak> endra: well that looks like either an attempt to exploit your server, or bad ram.
[03:43] <KBentley57> gdea73 delete the xorg.config and reboot - its in /etc/x11
[03:43] <gdea73> oh, okay.
[03:43] <Dulak> endra: you might want to run memtest86+ on that box and see if it shows any errors
[03:43] <gdea73> Doing so now.
[03:43] <gdea73> I'm afraid it will default to VESA since I didn't --purge it this time :X
[03:43] <Dulak> endra: it's an actual machine or a vps?
[03:44] <Linux7> to view all the logs on the Internet navigation?
[03:44] <endra> Dulak: actual machine.
[03:44] <gdea73> yup, back and running, but in crap-resolution, 1024x768, on a 16:9 TFT :(
[03:44] <gdea73> Now Catalyst won't launch, clearly fglrx is no longer running. Should I run the amdconfig --initial command?
[03:44] <hylian> gdea73, i wish I had that resolution. I am forever stuck in 1024x600, (netbook).
[03:45] <Dulak> endra: yeah run memtest86+ on it and see if it gives errors.  If you get errors you can take the addresses from the error and pass them to the kernel at boot to avoid any bad spots.
[03:45] <gdea73> hylian: haha, bummer. I liked the old 4:3 resolutions like 1024x768, etc, as long as the screen fits it.
[03:45] <gdea73> ah, "uninitialised file found, configuring." Gotcha.
[03:46] <st1> is there a way to make TOP show memory usage minus cache/buffer?
[03:46] <gdea73> So on a side note, why does my battery life just... suck?
[03:46] <hylian> well thats all for me everyone. I am very tired, goodnight
[03:46] <KBentley57> later hylian
[03:46] <Dulak> gdea73: I am very jealous of your 16:9 laptop screen.
[03:46] <gdea73> it lasts 2:30, tops. The laptop as rated for 4:30. It's brand new with its OEM battery.
[03:46] <KBentley57> gdea73, open catalyst control center
[03:46] <gdea73> Dulak: haha it's rather nice... when the drivers work >_>
[03:46] <gdea73> oh wait they do!
[03:46] <Dulak> gdea73: what version of ubuntu?
[03:46] <gdea73> res is back to 1366 :)
[03:46] <st1> or other real time ram usage command
[03:46] <gdea73> Dulak: 10.10 x86_64.
[03:46] <endra> Dulak: I'll try that. Thanks for the help :)
[03:46] <KBentley57> i prefer 16:10 over 16:9
[03:47] <gdea73> KBentley57: is that like, HDTV res? My desktop and server run 1080p.
[03:47] <KBentley57> gdea73 what did you do to fix it?
[03:47] <gdea73> ah sweet, catalyst is running. I installed the drivers you provided and ran amdconfig --initial :)
[03:47] <gdea73> the --adapter=all screwed it up
[03:47] <Linux7> to view all the logs on the Internet navigation?
[03:47] <gdea73> it's not a true crossfire setup, it's "hybrid" 1, vs. the other.
[03:47] <Dulak> endra: It also has the same charecteristic of someone trying to exploit the kernel, so if you get no errors, best start looking very hard at your system.
[03:47] <gdea73> so here's the deal now, it's running on the discrete card, which is nice but I'd like that to be toggle-able.
[03:48] <gdea73> oh sick "Switchable Graphics" tab! XD
[03:48] <KBentley57> gdea73, it came out before the flat panel craze.  it's just a little bit taller with the same width
[03:48] <gdea73> KBentley57: that sounds awesome.
[03:48] <KBentley57> gde33, does it switch? Fingers crossed
[03:48] <gdea73> Gosh darn it AMD! "You must reboot to apply the changes"
[03:48] <gdea73> so I have to reboot to play a game that runs natively on Linux? haha what a joke.
[03:48] <KBentley57> reboot and see if it at least works
[03:48] <KBentley57> lol
[03:48] <Linux7> to view all the logs on the Internet navigation?
[03:49] <KBentley57> and what is this game that runs natively on linux you speak of?
[03:49] <gdea73> I might as well have an XP partiton. Though I'm kidding. Going with the "bold strategy" of Ubuntu alone on a brand new laptop. And using 10.10, and *not* upgrading :D
[03:49] <gdea73> KBentley57:  It's rebooting and I think it's workign.
[03:49] <Dulak> gdea73: That is a gamer laptop, you will never get good battery out of it, because it's aimed at performance, not power saving.
[03:49] <gdea73> *working.
[03:49] <dr-willis> if your switchable works.. id say count your blessings. :)
[03:49] <Braden`> Hello
[03:49] <gdea73> Dulak: but it doesn't *look* as lame as a "gaming laptop"! haha. It's a Lenovo.
[03:49] <triscuit> I'd like to delete my windows partition, but gw2
[03:49] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: That distro will last you all of a month. It's not getting security updates after next month.
[03:50] <KBentley57> you might like the mate desktop
[03:50] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: ah god
[03:50] <gdea73> it took me about that long to CONFIGURE everything lol
[03:50] <KBentley57> lol
[03:50] <Dulak> gdea73: Yes but the cpu and graphics are typical gamer laptop parts, so your battery will never be good.
[03:50] <gdea73> oh man, purpoe screen... (?)
[03:50] <KBentley57> give it a sec
[03:50] <Braden`> I installed the postfix package, and I have "inet_interfaces = all" in my /etc/postfix/main.cf file; however, netstat -anp shows "tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      18428/sendmail: MTA".  How do I make it listen to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:50] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: 10.10 will be depracated next month since it'll have been 18 months after release, the lifetime of a non-LTS release.
[03:50] <gdea73> Dulak: meh, okay. I don't emphasize portability a lot. I just expected its rating of 4.5 hours to be semi-true, which it is. 2.75?
[03:50] <Fyodorovna> triscuit, you have another os like ubuntu installed from windows there as well?
[03:50] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: oh, that's... too bad. It's my favorite release.
[03:51] <Dulak> gdea73: Be lucky, I bought an amd gamer laptop that was super cheap for my dad for xmas, and his battery lasts 1 hr 15 minutes.
[03:51] <gdea73> KBentley57: darn, I'm frozen on boot. No tty1 either. Just a purple screen, that's blank.
[03:51] <gdea73> I'll try a hard reboot.
[03:51] <KBentley57> gdea73 - hard reboot and let it go and see
[03:51] <gdea73> alright I'm doing so
[03:51] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: I agree. It's mine as well. You'll either have to downgrade to 10.04 (for a year) or change DEs if you don't want Unity.
[03:51] <gdea73> though Dulak, i think it's just b/c it's running on the discrete card, draining the power.
[03:52] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: ah, well, I might just keep it unsupported even though people will laugh at me. And hate me. haha.
[03:52] <KBentley57> you know, i love unity - let me just throw that out there.  for me, its much better productivity wise
[03:52] <KBentley57> *hides behind wall
[03:52] <gdea73> I don't like gnome fallback, things are occasionally broken and it's not as cool
[03:52] <Dulak> gdea73: If the cpu supports frequency scaling you can get a lot of mileage from using the ondemand govenor and not using the discrete graphics.
[03:52] <geek_> hello is xubuntu good for newbie @ linux?
[03:52] <Braden`> Anyone?
[03:52] <KatsumeBlisk> KBentley57: It's not my favorite, but it's not bad. I don't like it enough to use it though. You can have your own opinion. :)
[03:52] <KatsumeBlisk> geek_:  I think it's fine.
[03:53] <KBentley57> geek_, most of the ubuntu's are fairly similar
[03:53] <KBentley57> geek_, if you want something that is more windows like, try kubuntu
[03:53] <geek_> k thanks wasn't sure
[03:53] <Braden`> I installed the postfix package, and I have "inet_interfaces = all" in my /etc/postfix/main.cf file; however, netstat -anp shows "tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      18428/sendmail: MTA".  How do I make it listen to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:53] <gdea73> KBentley57: I can see how people might like it. On a laptop perhaps. I just like DEs to be both "classic" looking and very customizable. I still use Windows 98 - just throwing that out there. *ducks*
[03:53] <researcher123> is it possible to identify duplicate files on system? Any search tool?
[03:53] <Dulak> Unity just needs to mature, same as gnome 3.
[03:53] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: You should check out Cinnamon. Not completely polished right now because it's new, but it's really good.
[03:53] <gdea73> KBentley57: crap still have the purple screen on the "onboard" graphics.
[03:53] <KBentley57> KatsumeBlisk, i usually install from the ground up, and only install the least of what i need
[03:53] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: heard of it, supposed to be cool. I'll try it sometime perhaps.
[03:53] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: Exactly. KDE4 had the same problems Unity and GNOME have
[03:53] <KBentley57> KatsumeBlisk, by the time im done i feel as if ive spun my own distro
[03:53] <gdea73> KBentley57: I'll finish troubleshooting tomorrow. Too tired now. Thanks all for the help
[03:53] <KBentley57> lol
[03:53] <gdea73> good night ;)
[03:54] <KBentley57> night man
[03:54] <zykotick9> researcher123: fslint is a gui tool with duplicate search
[03:54] <KBentley57> brb
[03:54] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: I like it on my netbook, but not my desktop.  I am still on gnome2 on my desktop, waiting for the maturity.
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> KBentley57: It depends on what distro I'm using on how much work it takes. If it's prebuilt like Ubuntu, I'll use it. If it's like Arch, I'll set it up myself.
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: What's this "it"? Cinnamon?
[03:55] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: unity
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: What distro you running on the desktop?
[03:55] <brightspark> KatsumeBlisk: is that panel-looking item in cinnamon customisable in the way it is in gnome2?
[03:55] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: debian stable
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: Oh yeah. Sorry. Three conversations. :P
[03:55] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: np
[03:56] <KatsumeBlisk> brightspark: Too a point. I'm not sure how many applets are available, but they're working on it.
[03:56] <brightspark> KatsumeBlisk: thank you.  The lack of customisability is why I've been avoiding upgrading from Meerkat
[03:56] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: I like up-to-date software too much to run Debian stable or Ubuntu 10.04. :-/ I had to make a choice, GNOME 2 or the other software.
[03:57] <KatsumeBlisk> brightspark: Cinnamon is relatively young, so it may not be what you want out of it, but give it time. The Linux Mint guys want a GNOME 2-like DEe as well.
[03:59] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: It just sucks so many things all decided to change at the same time, so the last 10 years of work making everything rock solid went out the window across the board.
[04:00] <r00t_> hello
[04:00] <r00t_> anyone there
[04:00] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: It wouldn't have been such a big deal if only one had changed, preferably Ubuntu with Unity since we'd have GNOME Shell if Canonical didn't make Unity.
[04:01] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: GNOME Shell on Ubuntu I mean
[04:01] <r00t_> say something
[04:02] <fre3bird> i was wondering if i could get some assistance getting my soundcard working
[04:02] <fre3bird> using 11.10
[04:02] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, it kind of makes sense tho. lol. Unity starts with a U shouldnt it be called gubuntu if it had gnome the whole time? like kubuntu or fluxbuntu xubuntu. etc lol
[04:03] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: No. Ubuntu has always had GNOME until Unity, which is still GNOME-based.
[04:03] <Dulak> webnet: gnome was the default, you only needed the other names to differentiate between the default or not.
[04:03] <webnet> i know. it was a joke. lol
[04:03] <hex20dec> Anyone speak Spanish fluently?
[04:04] <Dulak> !es
[04:04] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk,  i know. it was a joke about the first letter
[04:09] <hex20dec> Any native Spanish speakers can tell me if I have any mistakes here: http://pastebin.com/ey39ZnJp    Thanks.
[04:10] <KatsumeBlisk> !es
[04:10] <KatsumeBlisk> hex20dec: There's a channel for Spanish speakers.
[04:11] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, he speaks english i think he is looking for someone to proofread the messages in his code because he dont speak spanish
[04:11] <m4v> hex20dec: our channels are for Ubuntu support, not for help you with your spanish
[04:11] <webnet> would that be correct hex20dec ?
[04:11] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: I'm just trying to help. :P
[04:11] <hex20dec> webnet: Yes.
[04:11] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, i know. lol. its all good
[04:12] <webnet> hex20dec, after looking at your pastebin doc what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[04:12] <xpr3ss> KBentley57..
[04:12] <hex20dec> webnet: It's just the biggest channel, and other channels don't tend to respond.
[04:13] <xpr3ss> Need help with netbeans, i manually installed it through Synaptic but it isnt showing up anywhere....
[04:13] <webnet> hex20dec, ok but thats not what tghis channel is for. :(
[04:13] <webnet> xpr3ss, same happened to me
[04:13] <xpr3ss> no solution??
[04:13] <hex20dec> Just a bit of help from a native speaker wouldn't harm anyone.
[04:13] <webnet> in terminal its i believe netbeans
[04:13] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What DE, version, etc?
[04:13] <KatsumeBlisk> hex20dec: that's not the purpose of this channel though.
[04:14] <hex20dec> KatsumeBlisk: Okay, thanks anyways.
[04:15] <webnet> pangolin, plz PM me when you have a few minutes
[04:16] <xpr3ss> KatsumBlisk huh??
[04:16] <xpr3ss> version 6.9
[04:16] <testing321> thanks to free or open source software, I've rediscovered the real power of irc, it's instant, facebook doesn't compare
[04:17] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What desktop environment are you using? What version of Ubuntu?
[04:17] <xpr3ss> oh..11.10 sorry
[04:17] <webnet> gnome? kde?
[04:17] <webnet> lxde?
[04:17] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: No problem. :) Are you using Unity, the stock interfface?
[04:18] <xpr3ss> yup
[04:23] <ineedhelp> Hello....I need help... but not sure where to go... VLC cannot play h264 suddenly
[04:23] <ineedhelp> how do I fix
[04:24] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk...anything???
[04:24] <ineedhelp> it says VLC does not support the audio or video format "h264". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.
[04:24] <ineedhelp> but before it did play them
[04:25] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: what about restricted format package?
[04:25] <ineedhelp> sorry I do not understand... what does this mean?
[04:26] <Dmole> is there an off topic chan somewhere?
[04:26] <ineedhelp> I was using N-muench ppa
[04:26] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:27] <ineedhelp> and i tried to make fix a problem with DLNA but now I cannot use it any
[04:27] <Dmole> ineedhelp: what are you trying to do?
[04:28] <ineedhelp> I WAS before trying to make it play over UPNP, but now It does not play H264 and I tried to reverse to the other version but it works none
[04:28] <wiesshund> in terminal, anyone have an idea why my arrow keys want to do things like take a screen shot instead of go up or down through previous commands, or move the cursor forward and back over a typed command?
[04:28] <ineedhelp> i tried get-deb and nmuench and cannonical
[04:29] <ineedhelp> I cannot remember what happened and I am not sure where to look for fix
[04:29] <ineedhelp> please help
[04:30] <ineedhelp> sorry for my english.  I am not using a translation, so I can type more quick
[04:30] <fre3bird> i have a z68 motherboard running ubuntu and cannot get volume control see any soundcard.
[04:30] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: sounds like a codec problem to me,  see if you have the restricted extra's installed
[04:30] <fre3bird> is there a script that will nail this sucker down for me ?
[04:30] <webnet> pangolin, never mind
[04:30] <fre3bird> unity sound mixer shows no soundcard
[04:31] <Sixmsj> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2010-June/009457.html
[04:31] <Sixmsj> anyone know where clang++ is located
[04:31] <Sixmsj> im having the problem described in the link
[04:31] <ineedhelp> sacarlson: synaptic does say I have
[04:31] <ineedhelp> it
[04:32] <ineedhelp> i should reinstall?
[04:32] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: can't hurt to try reinstall it
[04:32] <ineedhelp> ok.
[04:34] <ineedhelp> that worked none
[04:34] <ineedhelp> tht did not work
[04:35] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: maybe try totum or mplayer
[04:35] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Sorry. I was AFK for a moment. I'm not sure. It's not in the menu?
[04:35] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Sorry, "Dash". :P
[04:36] <sabgenton> udevmon was replaced
[04:36] <ineedhelp> sacarlson: it plays in totem... Mplayer has another problem I do not know of... Sometimes plays but others files it does not... but I am not understand
[04:36] <kelvinella> hi how do i check whether my netbook is using broadcom or not?
[04:36] <sabgenton> what's the new command?
[04:36] <sabgenton> it's like something mon
[04:36] <franz_> there is a lot more people on #ubuntu than #windows
[04:36] <sabgenton> so
[04:36] <sabgenton> it's at's called freenode :P
[04:36] <franz_> interesting
[04:36] <ineedhelp> but I have problems with pulseaudio so i do not like totem
[04:36] <xpr3ss> nope
[04:37] <xpr3ss> its like it isnt installed at all.
[04:37] <kelvinella> i have a netbook that has installed ubuntu 11.10 in it but the wireless keeps disconnecting
[04:37] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Is it in /usr/bin (a launcher for it)?
[04:37] <fre3bird> can anyone help me get this soundcard working on 11.10 ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/885896/
[04:37] <xpr3ss> lemme check
[04:39] <xpr3ss> noprr
[04:39] <fre3bird> i see this in dmesg in regards to my soundcard hda-intel: no codecs initialized not seen by unity
[04:39] <xpr3ss> nope^^
[04:39] <Ahaios> hello
[04:39] <ineedhelp> I dont like 11.04.  i have made more problems because pulseaudio causes a big problem.  So when I try to remove it and use mplayer, it was OK but some files not played...
[04:39] <ineedhelp> made = has
[04:40] <Ahaios> anyone who can help me with reinstall grub after xp installation?
[04:40] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: It doesn't seem like it's installed then. You used Synaptic, right? Can you try using the Software Center?
[04:40] <ineedhelp> while pulseautio is used, I get to hear tick tick tick tick tick
[04:41] <fre3bird> i'll volunteer 30 minutes of help if someone helps me get my soundcard working afterwards.  i'm out of practice though :)
[04:41] <sabgenton> xpr3ss: how do I get a monitor in the shell to show advents as I plug usb sticks in
[04:42] <ineedhelp> then my sound plays... and also my CPU with pulse audio was sometimes 100% and it when removed it, the sound stopped and the cpu was lower than 100
[04:42] <vn> hi, I tried Jaunty, karmic, Lucid, Maverick, Natty, Oneiric and Precise, they all can boot on liveCD, they install fine from Natty, but with ALL of them, I cannot boot into after the install, I'm stuck with a blinking cursor, no sign of GRUB...its 2 fresh systems with at least a EFI BIOS, with i7-2600K and i7-3960X CPUs, any tips/help is/are welcome
[04:43] <ineedhelp> but then totem does not work and because vlc has a problem i cannot understand, it makes me frustrated!!!  I added pulseaudio back but it still makes a noise and delay
[04:43] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: Try this: http://kasunweranga.blogspot.com/2011/07/reinstall-grub2-after-installing.html It should work. It involves the Ubuntu live cd.
[04:43] <ineedhelp> so, if I can not have pulse audio and I can have vlc work,  I would be a very happy man
[04:44] <xpr3ss> ubuntu software center-no go as well
[04:44] <KatsumeBlisk> ineedhelp: Those paying attention don't know the answer, so be patient. :)
[04:45] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I'm not sure what to tell you then. Sorry. I'm not a user of netbeans, so I was just trying to solve for any package. You may want to try Google/the forums for an answer if it's netbeans specific.
[04:45] <ineedhelp> KatsumeBlisk: THANKS!  i know, already that you told me
[04:46] <KatsumeBlisk> ineedhelp: I haven't said anything to you before that. I was just pointing out that stating your problem every minute won't solve it. I was trying to do it nicely too.
[04:46] <xpr3ss> what do you use??
[04:46] <phpdrupalguy> How do i upgrade my php5.2 to 5.3 with 9.10? my repos are outdated and teh archives arnet working.
[04:46] <xpr3ss> sabgenton, what are you trying to do..
[04:46] <Ahaios> KatsumeBlisk i have this problem "usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition.  This is a BAD idea..
[04:46] <Ahaios> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
[04:46] <Ahaios> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
[04:46] <Ahaios> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:47] <ineedhelp> KatsumeBlisk: I understood you.  I am sorry for not saying more clear
[04:47] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: Did you try to install it to a partition, like /dev/sda1 or the disk itself like /dev/sda?
[04:47] <KatsumeBlisk> ineedhelp: No worries. :)
[04:48] <xpr3ss> complete install to HD
[04:48] <xpr3ss> smartest idea, and if you need to run other OS use virtualbox
[04:48] <ineedhelp> KatsumeBlisk: takk for help
[04:49] <ineedhelp> thanks
[04:49] <xpr3ss> or possible reformat of partition later on(advanced, risky)
[04:49] <vn> is a default ubuntu install setting up a MBR or a GPT?
[04:50] <bc81> question: i'm unable to format usb HDD to hfs, xfs, reiser etc..only options are ext*, fat*, linux-swap and ntfs.  any idea why?
[04:50] <phpdrupalguy> How do i upgrade my php5.2 to 5.3 with 9.10? my repos are outdated and teh archives arnet working.
[04:51] <sabgenton> xpr3ss: udevmonitor was replaced logg ago
[04:51] <Fyodorovna> vn, that link is for a mbr set up not gpt. Post a thread at the Ubuntu forums for best help on this maybe.
[04:51] <sabgenton> with udevadm monitor
[04:51] <sabgenton> (I found it)
[04:51] <sabgenton> ok acutally udevmonitor was just a symlink that the removed
[04:51] <sabgenton> just to anoy me
[04:51] <jr> hello
[04:51] <vn> Fyodorovna: ehhh...what link?
[04:52] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaio: Bot may help.
[04:52] <KatsumeBlisk> !grub
[04:52] <jr> i need some help
[04:53] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk, what IDe do you use??
[04:53] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: See above^^ Sorry. Misspelled your name.
[04:53] <Fyodorovna> vn, the one your using that gets the errors from KatsumeBlisk I assume.
[04:53] <jr> anyone knows what this means for chkrootkit log?
[04:53] <jr> Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while... The following suspicious files and directories were found:
[04:53] <jr> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/.path /usr/lib/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/.autoreg /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.1.19/.autoreg
[04:53] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I just use gedit/Kate (depending on DE) and compile via the command line for C++. I use Eclipse for Java.
[04:53] <vn> Fyodorovna: nah, no such problem here, not even an error..
[04:54] <xpr3ss> what about python and perl??
[04:54] <jr> that's what i get from scanning with chkrootkit
[04:55] <Fyodorovna> vn, ah you were asking a question of the efi booter, my bad.
[04:55] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I don't know them yet. They're on my todolist for languages. I'm still a student.
[04:55] <vn> Fyodorovna: yep
[04:55] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Based on my limited knowledge, Python would be the same as I do with C++ since it's not even compiled.
[04:57] <Ahaios> KatsumeBlisk what i have to do with that error?  r/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition.  This is a BAD idea
[04:58] <Fyodorovna> Ahaios, that link is for a mbr set up not gpt. Post a thread at the Ubuntu forums for best help on this maybe.
[04:58] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: I'm not sure. I've only had to do what you're attempting once. You are trying to install it to the right drive right?
[04:58] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: Also, Fyodorovna made a point. This is MBR?
[04:59] <trial_and_error> AHH! I downloaded ubuntu for my usb but clicked "open" instead of "save" now i cant find the file anywhare! any suggestions?
[05:00] <KatsumeBlisk> trial_and_error: You can either find it in the /tmp directory (I believe, not sure) or you can just redownload it.
[05:00] <trial_and_error> thank you, ill look
[05:00] <Ahaios> i tried all the ways and is not effect
[05:00] <KatsumeBlisk> Actually, tmp may not exist
[05:00] <Ahaios> is always errors
[05:00] <KatsumeBlisk> I'm not using Ubuntu, so I'm not sure.
[05:01] <Ahaios> and the MBR is messed up...i tried with Boot-repair and is no effect
[05:01] <KatsumeBlisk> trial_and_error: I would just redownload it. Wherever it was will be a place where it'll be deleted once space is needed.
[05:01] <Aesthenaut> uhm
[05:01] <Aesthenaut> i cant paste in putty
[05:01] <mrguser> Hola
[05:01] <Aesthenaut> any recommended ssh clients i could paste in?
[05:01] <trial_and_error> i will just have to redownload it , thanks
[05:02] <Ahaios> KatsumeBlisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/885839/
[05:02] <xpr3ss> best programming language to learn first...INPUT??
[05:02] <Ahaios> thats what boot-repair gave me...can you understand anything?
[05:02] <webnet> xpr3ss, depends on what you want to build
[05:03] <AcidRain> bah
[05:03] <xpr3ss> i dont know, i love ubuntu and security
[05:03] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What?
[05:04] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: No. I'm just verifying, you attempted to install to the drive and not a partition right, /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda5?
[05:04] <trial_and_error> does anyone know a good place to start to learn python?
[05:04] <webnet> xpr3ss, well if you want something that runs 100% guarunteed cross platform go web based
[05:04] <Ahaios> i tried both and i have the same error
[05:04] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk, want input on first programming language?
[05:04] <KatsumeBlisk> trial_and_error: Google "learn python the hard way". I've heard it's a good resource.
[05:05] <trial_and_error> thanks
[05:05] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: My first was C++. Depends on what you want to do.
[05:05] <webnet> like i said
[05:05] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: C++ is easy enough, imo, but it's powerful.
[05:05] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Yes. I'm just stating I agree. :P
[05:05] <xpr3ss> gosh i hate c++, but everywhere i turn around i hear it lol
[05:05] <xpr3ss> guess i might as well hit that up
[05:05] <webnet> ik i was saying it to xpr3ss
[05:06] <webnet> we r on the same page bro
[05:06] <webnet> :D
[05:06] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I like it. Granted, it's my main language.
[05:06] <webnet> i program in  PHP/HTML5
[05:06] <xpr3ss> php or perl??
[05:06] <webnet> i do PHP
[05:07] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What are you trying to get out of this language?
[05:07] <webnet> well... a combo of PHP/HTML/JS/CSS and MySQL
[05:07] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: While it's necessary, I'm not a fan of SQL. XD It's got weird syntax because it tries to be too user-friendly.
[05:08] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: I did just start learning SQL this year though.
[05:08] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, yeah. and oracle now owns it.... im not an oracle fan though i love java
[05:08] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Same. Well, I don't *love* Java, but it's decent.
[05:08] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, is it C or c++ you can use with... aww what the h3ll is that nokia IDE
[05:08] <xpr3ss> webnet, goodness thats dangerous lol
[05:08] <webnet> shoot. i cannot think of it
[05:08] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Pardon?
[05:09] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Qt?
[05:09] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, THATS IT!
[05:09] <webnet> xpr3ss, what is?
[05:09] <webnet> oracle owning mysql?
[05:10] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: C++. I'm not sure about C with it though. Qt is a great library. Never used it myself on the developer side of things
[05:10] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Qt is very cross platform.
[05:10] <xpr3ss> webnet a combo of PHP/HTML/JS/CSS and MySQL
[05:10] <webnet> i like that abou qt
[05:11] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Me too. :D
[05:11] <xpr3ss> Qt isnt only for c++
[05:11] <webnet> what is dangerous about that xpr3ss
[05:11] <xpr3ss> ???
[05:11] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: He's a master of the interwebs! >:D
[05:11] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I didn't think so. I haven't looked at it in a while.
[05:11] <trial_and_error> download time: 55min 30 sec...  im so impatient
[05:11] <webnet> xpr3ss, might be c++ only
[05:11] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk i know he is.
[05:12] <webnet> :D i try :P
[05:12] <xpr3ss> lol of course you do
[05:12] <hemanth>  kirataka007
[05:13] <ch33z> hahahahhah
[05:13] <ch33z> http://calleridfaker.com/recording/0q322au/
[05:17] <xpr3ss> have a good night everyone
[05:17] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Likewise. :)
[05:18] <KatsumeBlisk> Well, good night. Hope I helped *some* people out. ;)
[05:29] <Nicolas_Leonida2> hi, I have to type this every time I wanna ssh into the server ssh -i mykey.pem ubuntu@server
[05:29] <Nicolas_Leonida2> 	is there a way I can just type "ssh server" without specifying user and key?
[05:30] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: Yes, man ssh_config
[05:31] <researcher123> !file permission
[05:31] <researcher123> !file
[05:31] <researcher123> !permission
[05:32] <triscuit> is it easy to upgrade to a newer version if your home is encrypted?
[05:32] <Nicolas_Leonida2> Mkaysi: is there an interactive program to do it? or a sample ~/.ssh/config file?
[05:33] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: There isn't, but I can pastebin one
[05:34] <Nicolas_Leonida2> Mkaysi: that would be very nice
[05:35] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/885920/
[05:35] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: With that config you would only need to run "ssh ssh-server" and it would run "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 22"
[05:38] <Nicolas_Leonida2> Mkaysi: reading the man page, I think I need to add the key too, to avoid the -i option
[05:39] <Nicolas_Leonida2> IdentityFile possibly?
[05:39] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: Then just add "IdentityFile /home/username/location/of/the/key"
[05:40] <Nicolas_Leonida2> YaaaaaaaaY it works, thank you Mkaysi
[05:40] <jiffe98> when ubuntu is booting up and sys waiting for network configuration, is there a way not to way ?
[05:40] <jiffe98> wait
[05:44] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: You're welcome :)
[05:45] <crfripper> guys, I installed partclone from ubuntu software center, but can't find it on my system?
[05:45] <crfripper> anyone use it?
[05:46] <ehm> crfripper, "can't find it"? Have you tried the command line?
[05:46] <crfripper> yes tried sudo partclone
[05:48] <scottj> is there a way to redirect logging output of a command to a file but have the file not grow beyond a certain size?
[05:49] <crfripper> hmm, from reading maybe I'm supposed to use clonezilla live cd
[05:49] <crfripper> that makes more sense
[05:49] <crfripper> excuse the newbsauce
[05:49] <_0x783czar> Hello, I recently tried changing my ubuntu server's hostname with the hostname command as well as editing /etc/hostname but now I regularly get a unable to resolve hostname error when I use sudo, any ideas?
[05:50] <crfripper> dunno what point downloaded partclone from ubntu software center is though?
[05:56] <CoolCoder> Hi, I have installed libreoffice on ubuntu server. I have started the "soffice --headless" on terminal, but not success in assign port. Please check the terminal commands and results http://paste.ubuntu.com/885936/
[05:57] <jiffe98> anything I can do if ubuntu is stuck at "Stopping Failsafe boot delay" ?
[06:01] <_0x783czar> fixed my hostname issue, thank-you though
[06:05] <banpdtr_> How to change my password..??
[06:05] <satish> fems for rp
[06:05] <satish> FEMALE FOR RP
[06:08] <quakig> Help pls with jack2.. i get the follwoing error in the log file - ERROR: control open "/dev/audio" (No such file or directory)
[06:10] <dax> satish: #ubuntu is a technical support channel, and freenode is a technical and free-software network. We are not a dating service.
[06:11] <quakig> Hey can any one help me configure jack2.. I get the follwoing error message ERROR: control open "/dev/audio" (No such file or directory)- What should i do
[06:11] <hear_no> quakig
[06:11] <hear_no> try making that directory ?
[06:11] <orionsonofneptun> hi
[06:11] <quakig> just a blank directory.. you mean ??
[06:11] <Flannel> orionsonofneptun: Looks like you're good.  Thanks.
[06:12] <orionsonofneptun> yup
[06:12] <turkzonline> hello
[06:12] <turkzonline> ive just installed 12.04
[06:12] <turkzonline> however it is not up for release until next month
[06:12] <turkzonline> my questsion is
[06:12] <turkzonline> is the current version i have, the final version
[06:12] <turkzonline> or will there be further revisions to it
[06:12] <turkzonline> before the release date
[06:12] <turkzonline> ?
[06:12] <FloodBot1> turkzonline: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:13] <orionsonofneptun> ok why wont a blank dvd rw show up in ubuntu 11.10 it dont even spin inoptical drive but other cds work ok whats the deal
[06:13] <quakig> hear_no .. you mean just a blank directory
[06:13] <skinnytop> turkzonline, 12.04 is still in beta I believe
[06:13] <hear_no> quakig, yea why not
[06:13] <hear_no> if it doesn't work chunk it
[06:14] <quakig> hear_no Oh Ok will try and rever back  thanks
[06:14] <turkzonline> how can 12.04 be beta when the release date is next month, i mean how much could they change before then?
[06:15] <orionsonofneptun> ok why wont a blank dvd rw show up in ubuntu 11.10 it dont even spin inoptical drive but other cds work ok whats the deal
[06:17] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: are you sure that it's a dvd drive?
[06:18] <orionsonofneptun> it says dvd rom on it
[06:18] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: yeh, ok well... where do you expect it to show up exactly?
[06:18] <dr-willis> turkzonline:  theres a schedule they follow. there can still be bug fixs and other updates
[06:19] <hydrox24>  turkzonline quite a lot actually, though mostly bugs.
[06:19] <dr-willis> !release
[06:19] <orionsonofneptun> when you put a blank in pc it spins then a shell appears in ubuntu 11.10 saying whats on cd
[06:19] <orionsonofneptun> thats not happening
[06:20] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: open up your file browser and look the the top left
[06:20] <orionsonofneptun> it just tryes to spin then stops
[06:20] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026:  theres no need to msg me.
[06:20] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: it should be there
[06:20] <banpdtr_> Could anyone tell me how to change the root password??
[06:20] <hydrox24> banpdtr_: can you log in as root?
[06:20] <dr-willis> banpdtr_: there is none be default. use sudo as needed
[06:21] <banpdtr_> hydrox24: yes, I can type "su" and get logged in
[06:21] <orionsonofneptun> but if it dont spin how can it ever show up
[06:21] <hydrox24> banpdtr_: what dr-willis said is also correct, you shouldn't need to change root password
[06:21] <orionsonofneptun> i said it wont even spin
[06:21] <dr-willis> use sudo normally. not su.
[06:22] <banpdtr_> I want to the difference between "sudo" and "su" .. pls anyone tell me
[06:22] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: not sure, but can you please check?
[06:22] <dr-willis> !sudo
[06:22] <orionsonofneptun> others do spin thou
[06:22] <zykotick9> !noroot
[06:22] <dr-willis> su swithchs users. sudo has other features
[06:22] <orionsonofneptun> i checked to look like dummy and like i said its not there
[06:23] <quakig> Jackd2 configuration - error cannot start jack ERROR: control open "/dev/audio" (No such file or directory) Help please.. I made a blank directory /dev/audio .. still does not work
[06:23] <orionsonofneptun> if it dont spin then there is no way it will show anywhere
[06:23] <orionsonofneptun> i canhear it trying to spin it then it stops
[06:23] <dr-willis> making a blank a /dev/audio would seem... weird
[06:24] <dr-willis> !info jackd2
[06:24] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: can you tell me if there is output of "ls /dev/ | grep dvd"
[06:25] <orionsonofneptun> hydrox24  how do i do that
[06:25] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: can you open a terminal?
[06:25] <quakig> dr-willis.. thanks any other idea..
[06:25] <orionsonofneptun> yup
[06:25] <orionsonofneptun> type???
[06:25] <dr-willis> quakig:  nope. jackd confuses me
[06:25] <trial_and_error> well, i have succesfully downloaded ubuntu to my usb drive, now how do i run it?
[06:25] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: do so,  then copy the text I sent you and click on the terminal, the key combo to paste is ctrl-shift V
[06:26] <orionsonofneptun> what does that do
[06:26] <dr-willis> trial_and_error: use a tool to 'burn' it to flash. boot the flash
[06:26] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: It will tell me if you have a dvd device
[06:26] <dr-willis> pendrivelinux sti
[06:26] <dr-willis> site has tools.
[06:26] <MightyTravis026> i am in an argument with my friend jayden. he thinks dat the xbox360 is a better system then the wii, and i think he is wrong. what do u think? well if u think that i am rite and he is wrong den just say that i am so i can show jayden and show him who is boss. i mean come on zelda mario metroid is far better than tears of war boringlo fatten or biolame.  GO WII!
[06:26] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: just tell me if there is any output.
[06:26] <trial_and_error>  what i was asking was how do you boot the flash?
[06:27] <orionsonofneptun> it says dvd
[06:27] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026: take it elsewhere. this is ubuntu support
[06:27] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: OK, that means that the device is definetely there.
[06:27] <orionsonofneptun> i know that already
[06:27] <quakig> how to point jack at the audio device ??
[06:27] <orionsonofneptun> i said it starts to spin then stops
[06:28] <trial_and_error> how do you boot the flash?
[06:28] <orionsonofneptun> so it obviously senses it
[06:28] <MightyTravis026> sorry man but i need an answer my friend jayden is an idiot
[06:28] <orionsonofneptun> and it works with other cds ok
[06:28] <MightyTravis026> and no one is talking in other chat rooms
[06:28] <dr-willis> quakig:  check the jack homepage and docs
[06:28] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026:  thats not our problem.
[06:28] <tao_> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:29] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026:  and its a stupid argument
[06:29] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: you're gonna need to get your story straight, before you said it "didn't even spin" and now it *does* spin but then it stops?
[06:30] <hydrox24> dr-willis: don't feed the troll
[06:30] <orionsonofneptun> i said it starts to spin then stops
[06:30] <trial_and_error> can someone please tell me the correct way to boot my flash
[06:30] <orionsonofneptun> and other cds work fine
[06:30] <dr-willis> ive seen optical disks spin then stop if the laser cant.read the disks. chevk dmesg output for errors
[06:31] <orionsonofneptun> how to determine if its ubuntu issue or hardware
[06:31] <dr-willis> trial_and_error:  put the iso on the flash with a tool. reboot pc. tell it to boot frim flash
[06:33] <st1> if I add up all the memory  by each processes, the number is smaller than what FREE says (minus cache/buffer of course), how do I know what's responsible for this?
[06:33] <dr-willis> !ram
[06:33] <st1> yes I read all those
[06:33] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: try the cdrecord program to test writing to the cd
[06:34] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: It's tricky to test if it can be read because there is no data on it.
[06:34] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: can you lay your hand on a DVD *with* some data already on it?
[06:34] <quakig> is there a way i could get adminstrative powers in GUI -- without needing to get into the terminal>>sudo ??
[06:34] <st1> i'm thinking about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/794843 but I don't know what package is responsible
[06:35] <orionsonofneptun> ok maybee people just joining in can help me determine if this is ubuntu 11.10 issue or hardware when i put in dvdrw in drive it starts to spin then stops other cds work ok so whats the deal
[06:35] <dr-willis> quakig: depends on what you.want to.do
[06:35] <orionsonofneptun> ok ill check
[06:35] <dr-willis> orionsonofneptun:  that makes.sence to.me.if.the disk has no data on it
[06:35] <quakig> i simply want to do things like copy paste etc in the root without having to tyupe commands in the terminal
[06:36] <dr-willis> quakig: you can run the.file manager as root.
[06:36] <hydrox24> quakig: try this "gksu nautilus" that will provide you with a admin-powered up GUI file browser
[06:36] <dax> hihi
[06:36] <st1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/952108 also this one, while I also have slideshow wallpaper, but I don't see ram usage go up for xorg or nautilus
[06:36] <elkng> there is "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087" a command for backing up root directory: "tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys /", is there need for "--exclude=/backup.tgz", wont it be excluded automaticaly ?
[06:36] <orionsonofneptun> if disk has no data it will open shell saying it empty
[06:36] <dr-willis> be Carefull with nautilus as.root
[06:37] <hydrox24> what are you referring to as a shell?
[06:37] <orionsonofneptun> thier is always conformation of disk existance blank or not
[06:37] <hydrox24> a window?
[06:37] <st1> so I don't even know what package or where to report
[06:37] <orionsonofneptun> the window as bill gates puts it
[06:37] <orionsonofneptun> really is a shell
[06:37] <dr-willis> a.optical disk can be empty or unformated.. different things
[06:37] <Talisman> where does the packages database reside on the filesystem, please?
[06:38] <orionsonofneptun> dr-willis im lost on that note
[06:38] <orionsonofneptun> what packages
[06:38] <Talisman> the database of packages
[06:39] <hydrox24> Talisman: as in the apt cache?
[06:39] <Talisman> orionsonofneptun, empty and unformatted are two very different things.
[06:39] <Talisman> hydrox24, I'm guessing, but ya
[06:39] <orionsonofneptun> tell me how it makes a difference
[06:40] <orionsonofneptun> empty and unformatted
[06:40] <dr-willis> orionsonofneptun: if i put a new from the box disk that has never been written to disk.. in the drive. i recall it spins up then stops. theres no filesystem on the disk. so running the filemanager makes no sence.
[06:40] <Talisman> unformatted is unitialized - meaning it has no filesystem
[06:40] <Talisman> uninitialized
[06:40] <Talisman> empty means it has a filesystem, but no files
[06:40] <Talisman> layman enough for you?
[06:41] <hydrox24> Talisman: try /var/cache/apt/
[06:41] <hydrox24> Talisman: somewhere in there
[06:41] <Talisman> hydrox24, tyvm
[06:41] <dr-willis> a blank book.. vs a pile of wood paste. ;)
[06:41] <Talisman> lol, yeh
[06:41] <orionsonofneptun> why does blank cd spin ok earlier is it different than dvd rw
[06:42] <dr-willis> i rarely use cd-rw or other rewriteable media like that
[06:42] <Talisman> hydrox24, that's cool, but I'm looking more for the index of the packages than the packages themselves.
[06:42] <orionsonofneptun> well it also wont spin a cd r
[06:43] <dr-willis> burn some data to them. thats the real test.. i dont recall the core problem with this optical drive discussio
[06:43] <orionsonofneptun> but it will spin os cd