[17:06] <lubosz> how can i start runlevel 3 without starting the x server?
[17:06] <Kamicazi> Does anyone have any ideas why lshw doesn't even find any hardware
[17:08] <magnetron> Kamicazi: so lshw doesn't find any hardware whatsoever?
[17:09] <DanaG> hmm, here's something random: apparently the Cardbus Audigy doesn't actually have an emu10k1 chip in it!
[17:10] <DanaG> It has a "CA0109-1AG" chip.
[17:10] <nikrud> Kamicazi are you running it with sudo?
[17:10] <DanaG> I just opened (rather inelegantly) the top of the card, because I just had to satisfy my curiosity.
[17:11] <nikrud> lubosz there is no run level 3 in the redhat sense, you'd need to change runlevel3 (turning off gdm) to get that effect
[17:11] <Kamicazi> nikrud, yes I am
[17:11] <nikrud> there goes my fix ;)
[17:11] <pen> Why murrine theme is so slow?
[17:12] <Kamicazi> lshw just stops at "PCI (sysfs)"
[17:12] <DanaG> Is there an easy way to try to make ALSA use the ca0106 driver instead?
[17:12] <lubosz> nikrud: the problem is that the x server crashes on boot :D
[17:13] <nikrud> lubosz, alt-f2 doesn't get you a console to work in?
[17:13] <lubosz> nikrud: no, the whole system crashes, only alt+print+b helps
[17:13] <nikrud> lubosz boot in recovery mode (hit escape at the loading grub info, if you don't see a menu)
[17:14] <lubosz> nikrud: i can get in single user mode, but its runlevel 1
[17:14] <Kamicazi> lubosz I've never heard of alt+print+b what is that used for?
[17:14] <lubosz> nikrud: and i need either networking or runlevel 3 to install other gfx drivers
[17:14] <lubosz> Kamicazi: its the master reset
[17:14] <DanaG> google for "magic sysrq"
[17:14] <Kamicazi> Ah ok thanks
[17:14] <DanaG> "b" alone is bad.
[17:14] <lubosz> Kamicazi: its in all debian based systems
[17:15] <nikrud> lubosz at that point, rename /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm to  to K30gdm , and then exit. You'll continue to a networked system without X
[17:15] <DanaG> You should REISUB  (renice, terminate, kill all, sync, unmount, boot) if necessary.
[17:15] <DanaG> But alt-sysrq-k alone can kill just X.
[17:15] <lubosz> nikrud: thanx, i try that
[17:15] <nikrud> lubosz rename back when you're done (or do DanaG 's thing, more elegant)
[17:16] <lubosz> nikrud: hm, i prefer manual hacks, but the magic sysrq is the secound option, thx :)
[17:16] <lubosz> xfix doesnt work either... (hardy)
[17:17] <lubosz> oh, im in the +1 chan, k its hardy ^
[17:19] <Solarion> when suspending to ram, what is the sequence of events?
[17:19]  * Solarion needs to figure out when his sdcard is getting horked
[17:21] <mrtimdog> How do you change the grey background of aptitude to black?
[17:22] <lime4x4> anyone else having issues with bluetooth disconnecting after screen saver activates?
[17:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, instead of renaming stuff to disable it, you can chmod it -x.
[17:24] <nikrud> mrtimdog you'd set up a style for aptitude, man aptitude /customizing text will show you the format
[17:24]  * DanaG doesn't remember what time c r i m s u n is usually active  (spacing out name since I don't need immediate response)
[17:26] <mrtimdog> Thanks nikrud
[17:27] <nikrud> DanaG heh. he doesn't appreciate constant pings does he :)
[17:27] <tiax> are there no debootstrap-scripts for hardy yet?
[17:27] <tiax> I tried 1.0.8 both .tar.gz and .deb (dated january or something) but there's either no hardy script at all or it's plain empty
[17:27] <nikrud> DanaG but iirc he shows up mostly early evening american east coast time
[17:28] <DanaG> Aah.  I'm in pacific time, so that works handily.  Do you know what timezone he's actually in?
[17:28] <DanaG> I'm mostly just curious.
[17:29] <nikrud> DanaG east coast :)
[17:30] <DanaG> Aah.  (since "he shows up east coast time" could be "he shows up in his morning, in [my/your] east coast time")
[17:30] <nikrud> DanaG true. I'm pacific myself
[17:30] <DanaG> Same here.
[17:36] <mrtimdog> GMT here :)
[17:39] <adinc> how can i have the harddisc icons shown on the desktop?
[17:40] <jimiridge> the few the proud... the hardy heron users
[17:41] <DanaG> When I get my next laptop, I am definitely going to get a case sticker of the Heron for it.
[17:42] <Leerok> I love Ubuntu!
[17:42] <Leerok> It comes with VNC and remote desktop!
[17:42] <jimiridge> i have hardy running on three machines here
[17:43] <tanner__> erm, the light is not your friend
[17:43] <jimiridge> server on one
[17:43] <savvas> I need a bit more eyecandy in order to make me advertise heron :P
[17:43] <savvas> grub loader and the usplash could use some pimping
[17:44]  * nikrud puts logos on nothing. (might reconsider if a really good logo appears someday)
[17:44] <Kamicazi> Does anyone know why lshw will not load any devices
[17:44] <jimiridge> used the alternative hardy installer on my laptop <encrypted root>
[17:44] <DanaG> That's the thing about the Heron: it's not actually a logo!
[17:44] <savvas> Kamicazi: what does it say?
[17:45] <Kamicazi> It says just "PCI (sysfs)"
[17:45] <Kamicazi> and its like it just freezes
[17:45] <savvas> Kamicazi: sudo aptitude reinstall lshw pciutils usbutils libc6 libgcc1 libstdc++6
[17:47] <jimiridge> gota wait a few sec
[17:47] <adinc> when i klick to network manager icon in the top pannel i only get manual configuration, can some help me fixing this to his normal state so it allows me selecting wirless etc
[17:48] <Kamicazi> savvas its still doing the same thing
[17:49] <savvas> Kamicazi: open a new terminal and type: sudo lshw
[17:50] <mcquaid> i have a beta box that hard crashes about 1-2 a day.  doesnt seem to matter if the system is stressed or idle
[17:50] <magnetron> i run gutsy with kqemu installed as a kernel module. will it surely break when i upgrade to hardy?
[17:50] <mcquaid> i noticed these errors in daemon.log anna gdm[6487]: WARNING: main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!
[17:51] <mcquaid> when it crashes i can't ping ssh and sysrq reisub doesn't respond
[17:52] <savvas> adinc: menu system > administration > network > unlock > (select your connection) > properties > check enable roaming mode > ok > close  - then log out and log back in, check if that fixed it
[17:52] <_Shade_> hi there
[17:53] <_Shade_> how do i enable nvidia restricted drivers in hardy (kubuntu)
[17:53] <mcquaid> my computer last crashed at 1:18 but i see nothing in any logs with that time stamp
[17:54] <savvas> mcquaid: report it along with the logs in /var/log/ such as like syslog dmesg messages
[17:54] <Kamicazi> still the same thing savvas
[17:54] <adinc> savvas: selam, it says that the configuration could not be saved
[17:54] <jimiridge> ugh the samme way you would regularly mcquaid
[17:54] <savvas> Kamicazi: last suggestion is to give it a reboot and try again, although i don't expect it to work, but try :)
[17:54] <mcquaid> jimiridge, the same way what?
[17:55] <mcquaid> i see there is a bug on the gdm thing here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/200841
[17:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200841 in gdm "gdm[5020]: WARNING: main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!" [Medium,Incomplete]
[17:55] <jimiridge> install restricted driver
[17:55] <mcquaid> i didn't ask that, it was _Shade_
[17:55] <savvas> mcquaid: well try to provide some more info on that bug :)
[17:56] <savvas> lspci and lsusb are also valuable outputs
[17:56] <adinc> strange it says i'm not allowed to change system configuration
[17:56] <mcquaid> ya that bug is kind of vague.  not sure if it's severe or not.    just trying to find any errors in lgos that could give me a clue
[17:56] <savvas> adinc: did you hit unlock?
[17:56] <adinc> sure
[17:57] <adinc> and it is unlocked
[17:57] <mcquaid> i'm also getting anna modprobe: WARNING: Error running install command for nvidia repeatedly
[17:57] <mcquaid> there isn't a nvidia card in this box
[17:57] <savvas> hm..
[17:57] <_Shade_> jimiridge: i did so but i cannot turn it on in jockey
[17:57] <savvas> I get the same thing lol
[17:57] <mcquaid> and /etc/init.d/gdm restart can hang and then finally start
[17:57] <savvas> adinc: are you going to report that? :)
[17:57] <adinc> savvas: ;)
[17:58] <adinc> savvas: i don't know, i've seen so many bug reports that are more importent and still open
[17:58] <savvas> adinc: i'll go then :p
[17:58] <adinc> ok
[17:58] <DanaG> I've been getting random hard lockups when under heavy disk+gpu activity, even in Windows.
[17:58] <adinc> savvas: are you turkish?
[17:58] <DanaG> Then again, all the times I've had lockups, I've also been playing a game or music with my add-in sound card.  Perhaps that's to blame -- especially since the hangs themselves will be with looping audio.
[18:00] <savvas> adinc: nope
[18:00] <adinc> your name sounds turkish
[18:01] <mcquaid> this is the only thing i've found timestamped at the time of the crash
[18:01] <mcquaid> anna /USR/SBIN/CRON[10079]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[18:01] <mcquaid> but it's the cron jobs... who knows which one it could be
[18:02] <nikrud> mcquaid try running each manually
[18:02] <mcquaid> heh good idea,
[18:02] <Pici> Check in /etc/cron.hourly/
[18:02]  * nikrud hugs his incredibly generic hardware and ubuntu
[18:03] <m1r> i have problem with wlan usb adapter droping out on conection, it is using prism54usb and it is siemens54 usb, but it detects as Accton. http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c . any help appriciated. tnx
[18:03] <mcquaid> hmm daily and hourly are identical
[18:04] <mcquaid> nikrud, i've never run cron jobs manually before.  do i just execute them?  not sure if they are passed any arguements when run
[18:05] <nikrud> mcquaid no arguments
[18:07] <mcquaid> ok
[18:07] <mcquaid> it's hanging on running apt
[18:07] <mcquaid> not the crash just running
[18:08] <justAtempNick> I'm downloading 8.04 with jigdo, and 187 files are missing, with error 404: not found
[18:09] <nikrud> mcquaid there's some sleep stuff in there (I glanced at the script, not going to parse the whole thing today ;)
[18:09] <mcquaid> :)
[18:09] <mcquaid> i killed it and continue
[18:09] <mcquaid> d
[18:10] <mcquaid> well, ran them all successfully.  but these are run hourly anyway, it doesn't lock everyhour
[18:10] <adinc> can i have harddiscs shown on the desktop?
[18:12] <mcquaid> found one more thing with the same time stamp
[18:12] <mcquaid> 13:17:01 anna CRON[10078]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
[18:12] <mcquaid> seems to be related to cron. not sure what pam_unix is
[18:13] <mcquaid> but that seems to happen frequently in the logs without issue...
[18:13] <justAtempNick> I've changed from th.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ to sg.archive... and I'm getting some of the missing files, but many are still missing, what's up with the mirrors?
[18:14] <nikrud> justAtempNick they haven't propagated from archive.ubuntu.com yet
[18:15] <jimiridge> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_Authentication_Modules
[18:15] <nikrud> pam=potentially awful misery
[18:17] <mcquaid> heh
[18:19] <DanaG> My next laptop will probably have a SmartCard reader.... I'd love to see what I can do with such a device.
[18:25]  * tanner__ still hasnt managed to get his smart card reader setup
[18:38] <enver555> hi
[18:38] <enver555> I have a problem with Hardy on my Thinkpad
[18:38] <enver555> it didn't suspend or hibernate
[18:39] <enver555> and it shutdown
[18:39] <enver555> but I tutorial for making suspend/hibernating works
[18:40] <enver555> and now I only can shutdown from button
[18:40] <enver555> not from KDE
[18:40] <enver555> anyone can help me?
[18:41] <rexy_> enver555, you're saying hiberante/suspend does or doesnt work?
[18:41] <enver555> it didn't work
[18:41] <enver555> but now yes
[18:41] <melanarchy> is there a guide for diagnosing pulseaudio problems?
[18:42] <jester7> anybody here with an ati x1250?
[18:42] <enver555> but it don't shutdown from KDE menu
[18:42] <enver555> only from laptop button
[18:42] <enver555> you press about one secord and it shutdown
[18:43] <enver555> and I want to shutdown from KDE menu
[18:45] <whiteda> I am running hardy Alpha updated to Beta and last night my update gave me liferea 1.4.14 ... liferea has not worked since... It tries to open then stops - no error message no nothing,  I don't have any output to put in a bug report.  Should I just wait till the next version?
[18:45] <enver555> I updated all
[18:45] <enver555> I see acpi configurations
[18:47] <mcquaid> it just crashed again. but i did sysrq reisub in time, rebooting now
[18:48] <mcquaid> hopefully there will be something more in the logs
[18:49] <tehknow> can someone help me get a dual monitor setup working on hardy, I have an nvidia geforce 6200 AGP
[18:50] <tehknow> and 2 monitors, 1 vga and 1 dvi
[18:50] <tehknow> it was working on gutsy, then I accidentaly changed the video driver on the update to hardy, which messed it up
[18:51] <tehknow> I have to logout brb
[18:52] <afuchs> ok, why are the kubuntu-desktop packages pulling postfix in?
[18:53] <afuchs> (ie if a user goes to install "kubuntu-desktop" it installs postfix because some package recommends it)
[19:04] <DanaG> Argh, damn hard-lockups!
[19:04] <Assid> wassup
[19:05] <Kevin_b_er> I don't suppose anyone would know much about SATA?  LiveCD boot for the new beta is crashing itself trying to access my SATA drive.
[19:05] <bhsx> hola....  hey, i left my laptop on for about 4 hours while i was gone... came back and wireless seems to have shut itself off....   'modprobe iwl3945' SHOULD get it back right? (cuz it didn't seem to work, but i haven't used CLI on linux for a year or so[forgetful])
[19:06] <bhsx> Kevin_b_er: which SATA driver/chip?
[19:06] <bhsx> cuz mine was recognized by hardy just fine... even though you have to jump through hoops to get windows installed on it
[19:06] <Kevin_b_er> bhsx I understand your question, but I'm not sure which it is
[19:07] <bhsx> Kevin_b_er: you are dual-booting i assume, since you're using the livecd?
[19:08] <Kevin_b_er> yeah
[19:08] <bhsx> go into windows hardware devices and take notes on what you have...  your questions will be much easier to answer that way
[19:09] <bhsx> sorry to make you boot to win for that... but you really gotta know what's in your box, so you can make sure it's all supported
[19:10] <Kevin_b_er> Oh it worked just fine with 7.10
[19:10] <bhsx> ah
[19:11] <bhsx> did you check the cd?  you know that option to make sure the CD image isn't corrupted at the boot screen?
[19:11] <Kevin_b_er> yeah that one crashes it too
[19:11] <bhsx> heh
[19:11] <bhsx> guess what?
[19:11] <bhsx> bad cd
[19:11] <Kevin_b_er> verifies
[19:11] <Kevin_b_er> I'm having a hard time believing 3 CDs are bad
[19:11] <bhsx> oh i thought you said it crashes on the verification
[19:12] <Kevin_b_er> it doesn't make it to the verification application
[19:12] <Kevin_b_er> it dumps me to a nice busybox (initramfs) console
[19:12] <bhsx> did you re-download?  or just keep burning the same image?
[19:12] <bhsx> your DL may be corrupted
[19:12] <jessica> is there any way to change your passwro with out knowing it in linux as its not accsepting my password when it type sudo
[19:12] <Kevin_b_er> Same image, MD5 is fine and so is the torrent hash
[19:12] <bhsx> do an MD5..
[19:12] <bhsx> oh nvm
[19:13] <bhsx> well, then you gotta find-out which chipset you're dealin with
[19:13] <bhsx> i guess noone has an answer to my wifi Q...
[19:14] <bhsx> jessica, you can change it with a liveCD... but it's a lil complicated if you're not used to that sort of thing
[19:15] <bhsx> or IIRC, you can go to run level 1 and change the root password there
[19:15] <Kevin_b_er> well the SATA is out of a VIA VT8251 southbridge
[19:15] <jessica> i had gutsy and upgraded to hardy using the update tool so i only have the gutsy disk will that matter
[19:15] <bhsx> nah
[19:15] <jessica> thanks i will try it
[19:15] <bhsx> i dont remember the whole process off the top of my head, but google for a guide
[19:16] <bhsx> it's not as simple as booting and changing the password
[19:16] <bhsx> you need to do a bit of 'hacking'
[19:16] <bhsx> but let me look-up the RL1 thing i said
[19:16] <Kevin_b_er> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/southbridge/vt8251/ <-- yeah there's my chip
[19:17] <bhsx> http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub
[19:17] <bhsx> ^^jessica^^
[19:17] <jessica> thanks
[19:17] <bhsx> np gl
[19:18] <bhsx> Kevin_b_er: that should definately be supported....
[19:18] <Kevin_b_er> yeah
[19:19] <Kevin_b_er> I think there's a bug
[19:19] <bhsx> yeah
[19:19] <bhsx> first google hit
[19:19] <bhsx> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2006-June/017402.html
[19:19] <bhsx> you'll have to wait it out me thinks
[19:19] <bhsx> sorry mang
[19:19] <bhsx> but crap... that's from 06
[19:20] <Kevin_b_er> yeah, and it works in 7.10
[19:20] <bhsx> that's 2 year-old HW...   if that bugs not fixed by now that's just sad
[19:20] <bhsx> maybe it just slipped-throught the cracks
[19:20] <Kevin_b_er> Regression
[19:20] <bhsx> send a report
[19:20] <bhsx> and hope it makes it in
[19:20] <Kevin_b_er> yeah :\
[19:20] <bhsx> unless you really feel like compiling
[19:21] <Kevin_b_er> not an entire kernel
[19:21] <Kevin_b_er> heh
[19:21] <bhsx> my god, i haven't done a kernel compile in like 2 years
[19:21] <bhsx> at least
[19:21] <bhsx> actually... i might do one just to see how fast it compiles on a dual-core :)
[19:21] <bhsx> last compile i did prolly took about 1:15
[19:22] <bhsx> i'd bet it's more like 10 minutes now
[19:22] <Kevin_b_er> yeah sure
[19:22] <bhsx>  /no clue
[19:22] <bhsx>  /guessing
[19:22] <Kevin_b_er> And in 2 years things have gotten more complex
[19:23] <bhsx> yeah, true...
[19:23] <Kevin_b_er> So you're probably still looking at at least an hour
[19:23] <bhsx> but the HW is soo much faster
[19:23] <Kevin_b_er> And the optimizations are so much more complicated ;)
[19:23] <bhsx> i'll have to do one later
[19:23] <bhsx> just to see
[19:23] <bhsx> i bet you're closer to correct than i am though
[19:24] <bhsx> i remember doin a compile on (i think it was) sourceforge servers....   took like 12 minutes... i dont think they still offer that service though
[19:25] <Kevin_b_er> Do you know how get anything out of the initramfs so I can log some errors?
[19:25] <bhsx> i dont remember off the top of my head, no
[19:27] <Kevin_b_er> I definitately can't write to my ext2 partition, since that's on SATA
[19:27] <jimiridge> ugh dunno why but aircraqck doesnt want to work with my device anymore
[19:28] <PaulM> moving the question over here... where did the compiz settings menu go? it used to be in "system->preferences"
[19:28] <lufis> Dumb question: has anyone had any terrible malfunctioning in the newest beta?
[19:28] <jimiridge> in airmon-ng  driver -> rtl8187     ERROR: Neither the sysfs interface links nor the iw command is available.
[19:28] <jimiridge> Please download and install iw from http://git.sipsolutions.net/iw.git
[19:28] <lufis> last time i tried the alpha xorg was a mess
[19:28] <jimiridge> :P
[19:29] <Kevin_b_er> lufis: I can't boot the liveCD ;)
[19:29] <lufis> Kevin_b_er: Wonderful ;)
[19:29] <Kevin_b_er> I call that terrible malfunctioning :P
[19:29] <lufis> maybe i'll wait until final release...
[19:29] <jimiridge> lufis, check topic
[19:29] <bhsx> PaulM: system>pref>appearence
[19:30] <bhsx> last tab is visual effects
[19:30] <PaulM> I only see "none, normal, or extra"
[19:30] <PaulM> where do I do detailed config on it?
[19:30] <bhsx> if you mean compiz-manager... you need to install it... it's not installed by default
[19:30] <nikrud> PaulM still is, you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed? If so, right click menu and see if the menu item is disabled
[19:30] <PaulM> ooh, gotta install the settings manager
[19:30] <bhsx> yup
[19:30] <jimiridge> compizconfig-manager or something to that effect
[19:30] <PaulM> ah thanks.
[19:30] <bhsx> np
[19:30] <jimiridge> search apt for compiz you'll find it
[19:31] <nikrud> PaulM ccsm doesn't show up in the appearance dialog anymore, it's only on the menu
[19:33] <bhsx> grr... i just rebooted and my wifi still isn't working....  booting into XP to test the HW......
[19:34] <bhsx> it was working when i left... and has been for a couple days.... and i didn't change anything :/
[19:34] <bhsx> of course i'm using wifi-radar... because nm-applet is borked
[19:35] <bhsx> although... does nm-applet get upgraded with gnome-utils?
[19:35] <jimiridge> what card is it
[19:35] <bhsx> it's internal intel... iwl3945
[19:35] <bhsx> VERY supported
[19:36] <sourcemaker> does somebody knows by now the official release date for the next kubuntu release
[19:36] <bhsx> i'm guess 4/20  :)
[19:38] <sourcemaker> bhsx: It's a pity. I would like to upgrade to the next kubuntu release because of the nice feature of an encrypted file system... Can I install the BETA and update to the official release without a fresh clean install?
[19:39] <PaulM> for what it's worth, I had problems upgrading from alpha to beta, but I imagine beta->release is probably less likely to break
[19:39] <bhsx> sourcemaker: usually i dont even bother with a "clean" install.... it's only happenned to me once with ubuntu that i had to grab the final release... usually just a dist-upgrade will get you to the new release
[19:40] <bhsx> and that was like 6.04
[19:40] <sourcemaker> bhsx: ok nice... because with the upgrade from feisty to gusty I have had a lot of problems :-)
[19:41] <nightwonderer> got a ? im trying to install wine and its telling me i dont have the right sources
[19:41] <bhsx> a lot of it depends on whether or not you used third-party repositories that go against ubuntu conventions
[19:41] <m1r> sourcemaker, yes u can
[19:42] <foldart> nightwonderer: universe isn't enabled by default: System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[19:42] <nightwonderer> ty
[19:42] <benpicco> Hi, will there be UDF 2.5 (or even 2.6) support in hardy?
[19:42] <sourcemaker> m1r: year... greate guys... :-)
[19:42] <DanaG> Argh, it seems like NOTHING stops my hard drive from unloading its heads.
[19:42] <DanaG> Neither -B 255 nor -B 254 works.
[19:42] <jimiridge> call me old fashioned but nano /etc/apt/sources.list  is how i'd do it
[19:43] <bhsx> k, i gotta run for a while...   bbl tonight
[19:43] <bhsx> have fun
[19:43] <whoop> anybody using amarok under hardy gnome?
[19:44] <whoop> I want to add audio cd tracks to my existing playlist (mp3's)... but It don't work :-(
[19:44] <nightwonderer> where is it at under sorfware sources
[19:44] <nightwonderer> third party software?
[19:45] <DanaG> Argh, that load cycle issue is so annoying!
[19:45] <sourcemaker> m1r: Linux is still the best operation system... :-) I know... that I can create an textfile with all installed software components in apt... It is possible to migrate this list to the current beta software 8.4 or will this break my system?
[19:45] <PaulM> anyone know offhand if the compiz settings manager was updated since the last alpha such that the profiles work in anything like a semi-decent fashion?
[19:46] <nightwonderer> it shows my universe repositories as already checked
[19:46] <nightwonderer> so they should be working right?
[19:47] <Laney> Does anyone have a problem with not being able to boot into X using virt-manager (qemu) VMs?
[19:50] <nightwonderer> anyone help me with trying to enable the universe repositories?
[19:50] <jimiridge> i think its high time i reinstall
[19:51] <Turski> nightwonderer: maybe you shuold have read the topic...
[19:51] <nightwonderer> well sorry i would like to try out the new beta
[19:52] <jimiridge> nightwonderer,  whynot just "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and read through uncomment what you want
[19:53] <DanaG> Argh, I can't get my hard drive not to unload its heads, and things keep waking up the drive.
[19:53] <PaulM> powertop is useful for helping diagnose some of those things
[19:53] <PaulM> just generally useful, too
[19:53] <DanaG> Click........................................................................................click............................................................................click.....................................................click..................................................
[19:53] <DanaG> It's like a kid who keeps opening and closing the fridge repeatedly.
[19:54] <amon__> hi guys, i was wondering why my laptop is able to hibernate but cannot suspend
[19:54] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[19:54] <k3ks> hi, i've got a question
[19:55] <Turski> does someone have problems with newesti kde4?
[19:55] <k3ks> what is the name of the program to change screen settings in hardy?
[19:55] <Turski> i get just black screen with report that says that plasma crashed
[19:55] <k3ks> it seems as if it's not installed but i need it
[19:56] <k3ks> Turski: i had that problem too, with feisty
[19:56] <Turski> is there solution?
[19:56] <k3ks> don't know
[19:57] <k3ks> i'll think i won't use kde4 soon so i doesn't care
[19:57] <DanaG> Another strange thing regarding hard drives: even if I set spindown time to 5 seconds, it simply never spins down.
[19:57] <k3ks> but i need that programm to change screenresolution and do splitscreen
[19:57] <Turski> heh, i have that feeling too :)
[19:58] <nightwonderer> when i enable the universe repositories it give me a error saying it cant find em
[19:58] <DanaG> Oddly enough, if I manually spin down the hard drive, it stays spun down for actually a rather long time.
[20:02] <k3ks> i'm missing the administration tool for the screen
[20:02] <The-Compiler> Hi
[20:02] <k3ks> is not in the menu
[20:02] <chapocero> i think its under preferences
[20:02] <k3ks> what is it's name
[20:02]  * DanaG left the room (quit: "Oooh, that thing has numbers on it!").
[20:02] <chapocero> Screen Resolution?
[20:02] <DanaG> Anybody get the reference?
[20:02] <The-Compiler> I can't install hardy, i get a write error. The CD is newly created, and the HDD should be intact.
[20:03] <k3ks> no, not only screen resolution
[20:03] <k3ks> but the graphic card and splitscreen and stuff
[20:03] <chapocero> The-Compiler: maybe try a different copy of the cd, or install using a 7.10 cd then upgrade from there
[20:04] <The-Compiler> chapocero: I'm downloading 7.10 right now
[20:05] <The-Compiler> btw: What would happen, if I download the ISO (~600MB) in the live system to the desktop, but only with 512kb ram?
[20:05] <chapocero> hmmm... theres only one way to find out, i reckon!
[20:05] <k3ks> The-Compiler: you mean MB? do you have a swap partition?
[20:06] <nightwonderer> this isnt worth it if u guys are not willinto fucking help ppl out with their issues
[20:06] <The-Compiler> k3ks: let's say no :P (it only interests me, I've downloaded it to a vfat-partition)
[20:06] <nightwonderer> why even make a bullshit topic like that
[20:06] <The-Compiler> yeah, I mean MB :D
[20:06] <jussi01> !ohmy | nightwonderer
[20:06] <ubotu> nightwonderer: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[20:06] <nightwonderer> well its kinda bogus
[20:06] <nightwonderer> now i get spoken to
[20:07] <jussi01> nightwonderer: what is the exact error it gives you?
[20:07] <Yazan> Hello, how can i check if my graphic card is good enough to work with ubuntu?
[20:07] <DanaG> clickitty clicketty click.
[20:07] <jussi01> !hardware | Yazan
[20:07] <ubotu> Yazan: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[20:07] <nightwonderer> cant find the repositories for universe or others
[20:08] <nightwonderer> they are enabled
[20:08] <nightwonderer> at least it says they are
[20:08] <Lamego> nightwonderer, there is no such message as "cant find the repositories", where you able to find the repositories and enable them athe the software properties ?
[20:08] <nightwonderer> they was already checked to be enabled
[20:09] <nightwonderer> and after i did a apt-get update
[20:09] <Yazan> No, i was asking how can i check whats my graphics card?
[20:09] <nightwonderer> and it says it cant dl then
[20:09] <nightwonderer> them*
[20:09] <nightwonderer> link me to a pastebin
[20:09] <nightwonderer> ill show u
[20:09] <jussi01> nightwonderer: try going and changing your mirror
[20:09] <Lamego> ! pastebin
[20:09] <jussi01> !paste
[20:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:09] <PeterEH> argh my kubuntu hardy torrent is at 97.8% and stopped with no seeds ..
[20:10] <Yazan> How can i check my computers gfx card?
[20:10] <Yazan> on windows
[20:10] <jepler> Yazan: in Linux, one or more lines from "lspci" will represent your video card.  In various versions of Windows, there is a Hardware control panel which will show what hardware you have, including video card.
[20:10] <jepler> Yazan: but this is not a channel to ask "how do I use windows" in
[20:11] <nightwonderer> nvm i did apt update and now its getting them
[20:11] <nightwonderer> odd
[20:11] <jussi01> !yay | nightwonderer
[20:11] <ubotu> nightwonderer: Glad you made it! :-)
[20:12] <nightwonderer> sorry bout that but yay i got 24k sources now
[20:12] <nightwonderer> ty guys
[20:12] <Yazan> jepler: you see, I'm trying to see whats my video card like so I can use ubuntu without problems
[20:12] <nightwonderer> and the topic is kinda mean btw
[20:12] <nightwonderer> how hard was that to help me?
[20:12] <Yazan> since I am facing a problem when running ubuntu of a CD, the top part of the screen turns black
[20:13] <nightwonderer> thank god for pidgin doing irc
[20:13] <Yazan> I can't move my mouse to the top part of the screen
[20:13] <davisc> Great. My new hardy install is hanging every half hour or so. Can ssh in and see X is taking 100% CPU but nothing else >:-(
[20:13] <Yazan> because it turns black. Thats when running ubuntu of a live CD
[20:14] <jepler> Yazan: the boot screen of the Hardy live cd allows you to choose resolution and maybe a "safe video mode"; you should explore these options.  read the onscreen prompts when you first boot.
[20:14] <Yazan> ok. I will go try that now
[20:14] <Yazan> thanks
[20:14] <Yazan> brb
[20:14] <DanaG> wtf?  btrace gets stuck!
[20:15] <DanaG> It'll stop showing anything, and then only show what was stacking up when you press ctrl-c.
[20:15] <DanaG> Then it eats CPU scrolling madly.
[20:15] <jimmygoon> Is anyone else's VLC ... not working right :/
[20:15] <jimmygoon> maybe its just on ogg's still
[20:23] <PaulM> anyone know off-hand if a more elegent fix for the thinkpad brightness buttons exists than editing the .sh files that are called on those events to fake the keys that they should be?
[20:24] <orvokki> PaulM: Are we talking of a bug, btw?
[20:24] <grockit> Is anybody having issues with the mysql-server package?
[20:25] <PaulM> orvokki: well, what I know is that they worked in stable and don't work in the latest beta
[20:25] <riot> heya
[20:25] <orvokki> PaulM: Might still be a bug in beta.
[20:25] <PaulM> hitting the hotkey triggers the UI for the brightness change, but does not actually change the backlight
[20:25] <riot> why does dpkg-reconfigure not ask me about my gpu and related stuff?
[20:26] <riot> (after upgrading to hardy, my xorg just crashes)
[20:26] <PaulM> orvokki: that's what I figured, hence the question about a more elegent workaround...
[20:27] <orvokki> PaulM: That is, if it is a bug, you should look into reporting it. ^^
[20:27] <orvokki> Otherwise it might still be there in Hardy final.
[20:27] <riot> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg actually FORGETS to add my gpu to the xorg.conf.. why that?
[20:29] <stani> Anyone using Hardy on an IBM Thinkpad X30 or similar?
[20:29] <PaulM> orvokki: I believe there is a bug open about it (there was last time I looked)
[20:29] <PaulM> I'm using it on an x61
[20:29] <orvokki> Ah, right. Well, I don't know the workaround so I'll just depart the convo then.
[20:29] <PaulM> no worries
[20:30] <stani> PaulM: Do you also have the problem when you close the laptop lid that the screens stays blank and the laptop does not react to the keyboard?
[20:31] <PaulM> I did have that problem
[20:31] <PaulM> the latest version works ok for me
[20:32] <PaulM> are you certain your backlight isn't just off?
[20:32] <PaulM> shining a flashlight at the display will show you if the screen is on
[20:33] <riot> how do i configure my graphics-card?
[20:33] <PaulM> stani: ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-f7 works as a temporary workaruond when that's happening
[20:33] <PaulM> more info here
[20:33] <stani> PaulM: when did you get the latest version
[20:33] <PaulM> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume
[20:34] <PaulM> i had problems updating from hardy alpha4 to beta, so I reinstalled from the beta cd
[20:34] <PaulM> but running the update manager to get the updates should theoretically work as well
[20:34] <Yazan> Hey, I ran ubuntu in safe graphic mode and everything was great(Running from live CD). But the thing I didn't like were the brightness
[20:34] <riot> *sigh* i'm gonna throw debian on this box..
[20:34] <Yazan> the brightness was really low
[20:35] <Yazan> would it change if I installed it?
[20:35] <stani> PaulM: I will try this ctrl+alt trick
[20:35] <Yazan> because the brightness is great on windows
[20:35] <stani> wish me luck ;-)
[20:35] <PaulM> gl!
[20:35] <PaulM> Yazan: there's a brightness adjustment that should allow you to be exactly as bright as windows
[20:35] <riot> nobody knows how to configure a gpu?!
[20:35] <PaulM> Yazan: what hardware are you running on?
[20:36] <Yazan> If I understand you right, then its LG
[20:36] <rexy_> riot, look on the wiki it's a pretty common question
[20:36] <rexy_> !binarydriverhowto
[20:36] <rexy_> well the term should work on google anyway
[20:37] <Yazan> and .exe files do not work on ubuntu
[20:37] <Yazan> right?
[20:37] <PaulM> Yazan: I'm not sure how to fix your specific problem, but ubuntu definitely does support brightness control. Play around with the live CD a bit more, or look on google
[20:37] <PaulM> Yazan: Windows executables don't, that is correct
[20:37] <riot> Yazan: try wine
[20:38] <Yazan> But almost everything is .exe....;\
[20:38] <Yazan> what about .lnk?
[20:38] <Yazan> everything on pc**
[20:38] <Yazan> is .exe**
[20:39] <PaulM> I think that at your level of expertise, you probably should not be running linux unless you have specific things you want to do with it, or unless you are willing to avoid your windows programs entirely.
[20:39] <nanobug> how do I make hardy stop trying to autodetect my graphics and read the info from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:39] <nanobug> this is really starting to irritate me
[20:40] <nanobug> i installed the nv 169.07 drivers off of nvidia's web site since they're the only ones that don't give me pink shadows in compiz
[20:40] <Yazan> PaulM, you should be encouraging me to use linux, and not to use Windows
[20:40] <nanobug> reconfigured the xorg.conf file to use the driver
[20:40] <Yazan> ;p
[20:40] <nanobug> and it's like hardy just ignores my xorg.conf
[20:40] <nanobug> what is the point of having xorg.conf if hardy is going to rely on broken autodetection
[20:41] <riot> rexy_: Hmm. Found something there. w3m is.. weird. do the gutsy-instructions work for hardy?
[20:41] <nanobug> please tell me there's some way to fix this mess
[20:41] <rexy_> riot, dunno, probably
[20:41] <stani> PaulM: It didn' t work.
[20:41] <PaulM> figured :/
[20:41] <PaulM> did you shine a flashlight at the display to see if the backlight was just off?
[20:41] <Yazan> If I tried making my Ubuntu as a Dual Boot, will it decrease the speed of my computer?
[20:42] <PaulM> nope
[20:42] <Yazan> Great.
[20:42] <stani> What do you mean?
[20:42] <nanobug> okay
[20:42] <nanobug> im invisible
[20:42] <PaulM> nanobug: I'm sorry, I have no clue how to fix your problem. I would fix it if I could...
[20:43] <nanobug> can someone help me?  i'm kind of stuck in a console and unable to google answers for myself
[20:43] <alvarezp> Hi. I've noticed that fonts in Hardy don't show anymore under xfontsel. Gutsy Gibbon did. I'm not sure where is this configured, as to analyze the situation and file a good bug report.
[20:43] <stani> nanobug: what is your problem?
[20:43] <PaulM> stani: in my case, the blank screen was caused by the backlight driver being completely off. If you look closely (with a flashlight, for instance) you can see that the screen is actually still on...
[20:44] <dj1> too bad my compiz is down
[20:44] <dj1> i just upgraded to 8.04
[20:44] <PaulM> you might want to check that thing I linked earlier though... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume
[20:44] <stani> PaulM: I think the screen was still on, but what could this lead to?
[20:44] <PaulM> dj1: what's wrong with your compiz?
[20:44] <nikrud> nanobug install elinks , its a text browser
[20:44] <dj1> it dies
[20:45] <dj1> whitout an error message
[20:45] <nanobug> stani: I installed the nvidia 169.07 drivers off of their website, since it is the only driver that doesn't give me pink shadows in compiz.  It created an xorg.conf file, which is totally ignored on bootup.
[20:45] <PaulM> stani: it's a bug with the way the backlight drivers work. I'm not sure why you're still experiencing it, since it was fixed for me by the updates
[20:45] <dj1> leaves me without WM
[20:45] <dj1> and i had to hack /usr/bin/compiz
[20:45] <PaulM> dj1: upgrade your graphics drivers? wish I could be more helpful...
[20:45] <nanobug> Instead i am greeted with low graphics mode and have to configure the screen to a higher resolution
[20:45] <dj1> to point to the good compiz.real
[20:45] <nanobug> which also doesn't wor
[20:46] <nanobug> i can set it to 1600x1200 and get stuck in 800x600 anyway.
[20:46] <gluer> anyone know how i can get my fn-f5 fn-f6 brightness keys working on asus laptop?
[20:46] <nanobug> oh to hell with it
[20:46] <PaulM> I know there's a workaruond for the thinkpad involving editing the .sh files that are called on those events, but I have no clue if it's relevent to the asus. you might check it out
[20:46] <nanobug> back to gutsy
[20:46] <dj1> gluer pat-cache search asus
[20:46] <stani> nanobug: I guess you tried " sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  already
[20:47] <dj1> gluer apt-cache search asus
[20:47] <gluer> djl: trying now
[20:47] <PeterEH> argh my kubuntu hardy torrent is now at 98.7% and stopped with no peers ..
[20:47] <stani> PaulM: I installed from alpha4, maybe the upgrading does not apply all patches
[20:48] <stani> In Gutsy everything was working fine out of the box, even suspend & hibernate
[20:48] <PaulM> stani: for what it's worth alpha4->beta really screwed my system. among other things, it killed my network drivers and sound drivers
[20:48] <PaulM> yeah same here
[20:48] <PaulM> lotta regressions
[20:48] <gluer> djl: what does that do?
[20:48] <dj1> gives packages related to asus machines
[20:48] <stani> So maybe I should just install beta
[20:49] <PaulM> if you're willing to do it, it's fairly likely to fix the problem.
[20:49] <PaulM> brightness still doesn't work properly out of the box though
[20:49] <stani> Maybe I wait for the final release then.
[20:49] <stani> Was there a launchpad bug for this?
[20:50] <PaulM> I never looked for one
[20:50] <PaulM> the one about the brightness hotkeys is 198476
[20:50] <PaulM> they screwed up something somewhere... mute button doesn't work the way it did in gutsy either
[20:51] <PaulM> it still mutes, but behaves the way it does in windows, muting something in hardware, rather than toggling a software mute
[20:52] <stani> ok, I guess this is all the real beta experience
[20:52] <PaulM> yeah
[20:52] <stani> What is the reason that you switched to Hardy?
[20:53] <PaulM> urm, originally I think it was that I wanted the newer version of evolution, honestly.
[20:53] <PaulM> and it's nice that compiz is all installed out of the box
[20:54] <stani> that was already in gutsy for me
[20:54] <stani> do you use evolution? Are you happy with it (compared to thunderbird)?
[20:55] <PaulM> I wanted to use it for calendar stuff... the particular feature I wanted was bidirection sync with google calendar
[20:56] <stani> does the syncing work well?
[20:56] <gluer> damnit, my fn-f5 fn-f6 keys for brightness dont work, can hardly see the screen on this asus
[20:57] <PaulM> haven't had a chance to mess with it, actually... been fixing the other things back up to functionality >.<
[20:59] <stani> haha
[20:59] <heartsblood> Could somebody explain what Pulse audio is in as few words as possible and explain it's connection with ESD and Alsa?
[21:00] <PaulM> stani: the thing that upgrading from alpha4 to beta DID fix is the dim on brightness
[21:00] <PaulM> *dim on inactivity
[21:01] <stani> well with me it dims to zero ;-)
[21:01] <gluer> is there a way to manually adjust the brightness for laptop display from terminal my fn keys arent working
[21:02] <DanaG> Great, now I'm getting load cycles every 1 or 2 seconds.  Ridiculous!
[21:02] <_Axel> Hi
[21:03] <_Axel> Anyone have try ubuntu hardy beta with a broadcom wifi?
[21:03] <gluer> hehehe
[21:03] <nonix4> gluer: xbacklight?
[21:03] <PaulM> yeah, that works for me
[21:03] <_Axel> Paul also after the update?
[21:03] <gluer> nonix4: well it sounds good brb
[21:04] <PaulM> I haven't tried xbacklight after updating to beta1
[21:04] <PaulM> sorry _Axel, wasn't responding to you
[21:04] <_Axel> what xbacklight is?
[21:04] <_Axel> ahh ok :-)
[21:05] <Yazan> If I just hit the install button and installed ubuntu fully, will Windows Xp and all its contents disappear?
[21:05] <gluer> nonix4: installed it, where is it?
[21:05] <Yazan> all its files/folders
[21:06] <marlun> Vinagre (Remote Desktop Viewer) in Hardy is very slow. I can't seem to find any settings. Anyoen has any tips on how to make it faster?
[21:07] <PaulM> Yazan: you probably want to use the new install through windows option
[21:08] <Yazan> yeah, after installing ubuntu, will windows be deleted?
[21:08] <nonix4> gluer: hmm, bug 176888 seems to still be there :/
[21:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176888 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "xbacklight not working in hardy because of wrong XRandR BACKLIGHT_CONTROL setting" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176888
[21:08] <gluer> argh
[21:09] <PaulM> raaaawwrr
[21:09] <PaulM> that's obnoxious
[21:09] <PaulM> Yazan: if you install ubuntu using the windows install option, it should be very clear that it won't delete windows.
[21:10] <Yazan> so after installing it, and rebooting my computer, what will i get?
[21:11] <PaulM> an option to boot one or the other, I believe
[21:11] <PaulM> you might want to look at this
[21:11] <PaulM> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[21:11] <PaulM> but that's not updated for wubi
[21:11] <PaulM> so it may not be helpful for you
[21:12] <PaulM> mightl ook here for some basic info
[21:12] <PaulM> http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php
[21:13] <RainCT> anyone here using an Intel graphic card?
[21:13] <PaulM> I am
[21:13] <_Axel> Ubuntu works fine with intel graphics card
[21:13] <stani> me too
[21:13] <jimmygoon> heh, "fine"?
[21:13] <_Axel> not so well with broadcom wifi devices :-)
[21:13] <RainCT> with the "intel" driver?
[21:13] <jimmygoon> RainCT, :) what card?
[21:14] <jimmygoon> RainCT, yes, on the "intel" driver
[21:14] <PaulM> my intel card works beautifully out of the box
[21:14] <_Axel> What is your card Rain?
[21:14] <Yazan> PaulM>, i'm going to take your words and try it
[21:14] <RainCT> Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
[21:14] <PaulM> best of luck, Yazan
[21:14] <jimmygoon> RainCT 855GM?
[21:14] <stani> RainCT: What do you want to ask?
[21:15] <RainCT> I don't really know.. heh
[21:15] <jimmygoon> RainCT, the intel bugs of feisty/gutsy with the wrong DPI/resolution are resolved for my on 855GM I believe
[21:15] <_Axel> have you got a resolution problem?
[21:15] <jimmygoon> (though I still haven't reset my xorg.conf and found out if I don't need the workaround parts)
[21:15] <jimmygoon> Though the intel driver is still conisderably slower for me than the i810 driver
[21:15] <RainCT> after the upgrade to hardy the "intel" driver has some regression when drawing stuff on screen
[21:16] <_Axel> I've modified my xorg.conf to have my correct resolution to 1024x800
[21:16] <jimmygoon> RainCT, like it is slow to redraw windows and such?
[21:16] <RainCT> jimmygoon: yes, it shows strange lines and such for some seconds
[21:16] <jimmygoon> _Axel, no, I'm talking about having to manualy enable (something, I forget) and set my physical size to correct DPI stuff
[21:16] <jimmygoon> RainCT, I've just disabled compiz and gotten used to it for the most part
[21:17] <RainCT> I'm trying with i810 now and it works a lot better, but doesn't support my resolution and it looks awkward with those it lets me choose
[21:17] <DanaG> Argh, Brasero just crashed, and Apport wouldn't give me a backtrace because my hal is upgradeable.
[21:17] <DanaG> That's irritating -- I can't even look at the bug info for my own reference.
[21:17] <jimmygoon> RainCT, hm, someone else having a similar case makes me want to go make a launchpad bug for intel/i810
[21:17] <RainCT> yes I've compiz disabled now (with compiz scrolling was nearly impossible in Firefox)
[21:17] <RainCT> but still...
[21:17] <jimmygoon> RainCT, haha, I know *exactly* what you mean
[21:18] <amerio> hey guys im facing some problems with gnome panel , its keep freezing from time to time , specially when I hit the calendar it stop working then I have to killall and start it again , any help?
[21:18] <RainCT> (the resolution I want is 1440x768, btw)
[21:18] <RainCT> heh :)
[21:18] <DanaG> 1440x768?  that's rather odd.
[21:18] <RainCT> eh, no.. I mean 1440x900
[21:19] <RainCT> :P
[21:19] <RainCT> typo ^^
[21:19] <DanaG> That's what I figured.
[21:19] <jimmygoon> like Alt+Tabbing from Rhythmbox to Xchat... I can SEE the window contents redraw top to bottom
[21:19] <RancidLM> hey all, just did a upgrade to ubuntu 8.04 and my networking kinda works but my wireless looks a bit wierd its called wlan0_rename   is there a way to have ubuntu completly delete my network settings and redetect and set everything from scratch?
[21:19] <DanaG> One really odd resolution: 1280x768.
[21:19] <RainCT> but with i810 I only get 1280x1024, which looks really bad
[21:19] <DanaG> It's 1280x800 (16:10) minus 32 rows, thus breaking every 16:10 wallpaper.
[21:20] <DanaG> It's not 16:9 either.
[21:20] <DanaG> It's "16:9 minus a bit because we cheaped out on 32 rows"
[21:20] <RainCT> jimmygoon: yes same here
[21:20] <jimmygoon> There is a 915resolution package dunna if that helps the resolution on your card....
[21:21] <RainCT> I think I tried with that before I found the intel driver and it didn't help
[21:21] <DanaG> intel driver doesn't need that.
[21:21] <DanaG> Or rather, does the same function internally.
[21:21] <RainCT> DanaG: "before I found the intel driver"
[21:21] <RainCT> (and system was reinstalled since then so no residual config)
[21:22] <kraft__> hi
[21:22] <RainCT> blah I switch back to intel this looks just too bad :(
[21:22] <amerio> RancidLM check your network interfaces conf file
[21:23] <Ayabara> after todays upgrade my sound is gone. it has happened earlier, and it comes back if I boot, but I was wondering if I coud get it back without booting. when I try mplayer it says: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1099:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy
[21:23] <kraft__> just installed a hardy on a server, and used the alernate cd as i wanted lvm and raid, however i got a full desktop installed. could i have avoided the desktop install and still had lvm + raid on instal?
[21:24] <RAOF> kraft__: Yes; there are server install discs, which are alternate CDs that only install a bare system.
[21:24] <kraft__> RAOF: does the server cd support lvm + raid?
[21:25] <RAOF> I haven't used it, but my understanding is that it's just the alternate installer with a different package set.  So I'd be amazed if it didn't.
[21:25] <stani> RainCT: Did you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177492?
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Fix released]
[21:25] <chapocero> My USB wireless adapter was working fine on my dell inspiron 5150 while running Gutsy, I upgraded to Hardy and now it won't recognize it... Also neither Gutsy nor Hardy recognized my PCMCIA wireless card.. any tips?
[21:26] <Ayabara> anyone else had a problem with sound "disappearing"?
[21:26] <kraft__> RAOF: thanks, i will trr with my next install. It would be good to ad that info to the nstall page,
[21:26] <amerio> ayabara I had it when upgrading to hardy
[21:26] <kraft__> is it reads that you need the alternate cd
[21:26] <RainCT> stani: no; looking
[21:27] <kraft__> second question... is there a page where i can track what updates are avalable? packages.ubuntu.com does not have the latest info
[21:27] <Ayabara> amerio, ok. this happens after an update, and goes away if I reboot
[21:28] <Ayabara> how can I check who is using my sound device?
[21:28] <kraft__> i.e the 20 updates since yesterday
[21:28] <rexy_> Ayabara, lsof /dev/snd/*
[21:28] <RAOF> kraft__: The hardy-changes mailing list, or the RSS feed aggregated from it.
[21:28] <amerio> Ayabara I followed some guide and it helped me to fix it , im looking for it now
[21:28] <kraft__> RAOF: link?
[21:28] <RAOF> Just hunting it down
[21:29] <rexy_> !hardy | chapocero
[21:29] <ubotu> chapocero: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:29] <rexy_> oops
[21:29] <RAOF> kraft__: http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/hardy.xml
[21:29] <rexy_> chapocero, does it show with lsusb?
[21:29] <amerio> Ayabara ok I followed this guide and it helped me to fix my sound again , check it out , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[21:29] <Ayabara> amerio, thanks
[21:30] <amerio> Ayabara you're welcome
[21:30] <kraft__> RAOF: perfect, thanks.
[21:30] <amerio> does any1 faced freezing in gnome-panel?
[21:31] <chapocero> rexy_: yes it shows a dell device, which i assume is my usb adapter
[21:31] <rexy_> well what chip does it say is in there
[21:32] <chapocero> rexy_: It shows it on "Bus 004 Device 002: ID 413c:8104 Dell Computer Corp." .. i assume its my adapter..
[21:33] <rexy_> hmm, that's rather non-descriptive
[21:33] <chapocero> thats all that lsusb outputs for me
[21:34] <rexy_> then i dont know, you could try googling the ID it gives and see if you can figure out what driver goes with the device and make sure it's loaded
[21:34] <chapocero> it worked fine before i upgraded from gutsy to hardy
[21:35] <rexy_> well it's beta, stuff breaks
[21:35] <chapocero> is there a way to downgrade without just putting a fresh install on there?
[21:35] <rexy_> nope
[21:36] <Zvezdichko> hello, I want to upgrade from gutsy to hardy. however, the upgrade manager of Kubuntu crashes, and moreover, I don't want to use graphic tools
[21:36] <Zvezdichko> how can I run the upgrade from command line
[21:40] <Yazan> when I'm on ubuntu, how would i go on about changing the brightness of the screen?
[21:41] <K4k-laptop> Yazan: desktop or laptop?
[21:41] <Yazan> desktop
[21:41] <amerio> Zvezdichko try  sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:41] <K4k-laptop> there should be a way to do it on the monitor itself, independent from the OS
[21:41] <Yazan> No, not the monitor brightness, the screen brightness
[21:41] <Zvezdichko> thank you
[21:42] <Yazan> like in windows
[21:42] <amerio> Zvezdichko you're welcome
[21:42] <Yazan> properties > * > *
[21:42] <Zvezdichko> I know that Hardy is still unstable and not for productive machines, however, I want to try it
[21:42] <K4k-laptop> Yazan: are you refering to like, color brightness then? Because that's dependant on the drivers and to my knowledge there are not such controls for any of the linux drivers
[21:42] <Yazan> how will i do that?
[21:42] <wangfg_> how can i use suspend under hardy?
[21:43] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_ what graphics card do you have?
[21:43] <Yazan> k4k, so there is no option like on windows?
[21:43] <wangfg_> ati, x31
[21:43] <K4k-laptop> Yazan, not to my knowledge, someone else might know better however
[21:43] <amerio> Yazan why you dont set the brightness from the moniter itself
[21:43] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, what driver are you using, do you know?
[21:44] <wangfg_> ati from open-ati, i think :)
[21:44] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_,  and you're on a laptop correct?
[21:44] <Yazan> amerio: I got my monitor brightness set to full
[21:45] <wangfg_> yes,what can i do?
[21:45] <wangfg_> k4k, how can i send mesg to you
[21:45] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, I'm using the same drivers I am and all I had to do was go to System > Preferences > Power Management and then I clicked on the "On Battery Power" tab and set "When laptop lid is closed" to "Suspend"
[21:46] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, why do you want to send a message to me?
[21:47] <amerio> Yazan- whats your graphic card?
[21:47] <wangfg_> not send private message, just hilight the message, if i talk to you, just like you
[21:47] <Yazan-> No idea. haha.  How do i go on about checking what it is?
[21:47] <Yazan-> on Windows
[21:47] <Yazan-> I once did it .... ;\
[21:47] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, just start typing my name and press the tab button and it will auto complete my name
[21:48] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, however, only I will see it highlighted, you will not
[21:49] <ehazlett> anyone run ubuntu 8.04 on a latitude xt?
[21:49] <amerio> Yazan- whats the output of "lspci -nn | grep VGA"
[21:49] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: thank you, there is another problem, that i cannot access the system menu, because after the menu pop out, and disappeared very quickly :(
[21:50] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, hmmm you might want to fix that first : )
[21:50] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: yes :)
[21:51] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: but i dont know how to :(
[21:51] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, I'm not sure why it's doing that, you might want to try to search on google to see if anyone else has had similar problems, I've never heard of it
[21:52] <alvarezp> Hello, I'm trying Ubuntu Hardy and I'm getting "ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2" in dmesg. Is this known?
[21:52] <amerio> Yazan- by typing "lspci -nn | grep VGA" in your terminal you will be able to know what is your graphic card
[21:53] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: thankx, i use kde4, but perhaps it is a bug of xwindows, because it exsists under xfce also
[21:53] <Yazan-> amerio: I'm on windows and not ubuntu
[21:54] <K4k-laptop> Yazan-, then right click my computer, go to properties, and then Hardware > Device manager and look for you're graphics card in there
[21:54] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: and i use terminal, so it doesn't matter a lot
[21:54] <atlef> Yazan-: run - type dxdiag
[21:54] <amerio> Yazan- you'll find it under video & sound I guess
[21:55] <clusty> hey
[21:56] <Yazan-> Damnit....I cant find anything under video and sound
[21:56] <clusty> is there a way to get CONFIG_NO_HZ enabled without a kernel recompilation?
[21:56] <Yazan-> Manufacturer: S3 Graphics, Inc.
[21:57] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: are you there?
[21:57] <Yazan-> Is this helpful: Manufacturer: S3 Graphics, Inc.??
[21:57] <Yazan-> amerio...^ :)
[21:57] <amerio> Yazan- whats the name of the card ?
[21:57] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, yes
[21:58] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: :)
[21:58] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, did you need something?
[21:58] <Yazan-> oh here it is
[21:58] <Yazan-> Graphics ProSavageDDR
[21:59] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: i need to repair the system menu...
[21:59] <amerio> I believe its a Chrome card
[21:59] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: sorry, if i bother you a lot...
[21:59] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, I'm not familiar with kde or xfce, sorry, I only use gnome
[21:59] <Yazan-> so amerio...is it supported or what?....
[21:59] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop:  ok, sure...
[22:00] <K4k-laptop> Yazan-, set your driver to "savage" that should work
[22:00] <amerio> Yazan- have you faced any difficulties running it under ubuntu?
[22:01] <wangfg-x31> how can i suspend my x31 to disk?
[22:04] <gaucho> Hi! My network configuration at system, administration, network isn't working. I need to config it with ifconfig command. What should be happening?
[22:05] <RainCT> jimmygoon: FYI, the fix described in the bug report to which stani refered me worked for me :)
[22:05] <jimmygoon> RainCT, xchat doesn't scroll up that far for me. do you have the link still?
[22:05] <Ayabara> if I press restart in Ubuntu, how are my applications terminated? are they brutally killed?
[22:06] <RainCT> jimmygoon: "the fix" is to add   Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"   to xorg.conf's device section
[22:06] <Ayabara> I use Deluge, and it only seems to preserve the share ratio of files if it's closed in a controlled manner
[22:06] <RainCT> jimmygoon: and the url was.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[22:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Fix released]
[22:06] <nickrud> Ayabara for the first time ever, gedit prevented X shutdown until I saved a modified file. Don't know about other apps yet
[22:06] <jimmygoon> RainCT, ??? what? Thats sounds strange. Thanks a bunch though. Glad to try anything that will speed this awful thing first
[22:07] <RainCT> jimmygoon: it's marked as fix released but installing the update didn't help here.. but add that worked
[22:07] <jimmygoon> nickrud, yes, that happened to me but it was on a different workspace and ... gnome didn't pull it up so I was left going ????
[22:07] <Ayabara> nickrud, ok, but normally some kill signal is sent to remaining processes?
[22:07] <Ayabara> from Deluge's behavious it seems so :-)
[22:07] <RainCT> jimmygoon: no problem :)
[22:07] <nickrud> Ayabara all I know is that's a first. jimmygoon I had a notification pop up in the panel, that's how I fund it
[22:08]  * RainCT is sad that he can't thank stani as he is offline now :)
[22:08] <orionr> Hey i have losted my sound after i upgraded.
[22:08] <orionr> I think the problem is it isnt detecting my sound card.
[22:08] <orionr> Any ideas?
[22:09] <jimmygoon> RainCT, I'm gonna post a follow up on that thread as well
[22:09] <jimmygoon> RainCT, I'm having one other problem and I'm curious if you experience it as well... does your pc crash hard when you log out some times? or shutdown? or switch to tty's?
[22:10] <RainCT> jimmygoon: No
[22:11] <jimmygoon> RainCT, Ok, must be a different issue
[22:11] <RainCT> jimmygoon: but I have a problem where when some games switch to fullscreen like 30% of the times the screen will remain black until I poweroff and start it again :S
[22:11] <RainCT> (but the computer is working as if I restart X I hear gdm's welcome song)
[22:11] <RainCT> have you experienced this? xD
[22:12] <RainCT> s/song/sound
[22:13] <orionr> Is anyone experiencing a lost of sound after they upgraded?
[22:15] <jimmygoon> RainCT, not personally. (got to go anyhow, thanks again)
[22:15] <coz_> any of todays updates breaking anything :)
[22:16] <atlef> coz_: have not experienced any breaks
[22:17] <atlef> but that is my system
[22:17] <coz_> atlef, ok cool thanks  just wanted to be sure before I intall them :)
[22:17] <atlef> coz_: it usually is in the topic of the channel if something breaks
[22:17] <gaucho> Hi! My gnome network config isn't working, settings are just ignored, because if I type ifconfig it isn't there.. What can I do?
[22:20] <marlun> why is "unrar e file.rar" so slow?
[22:24] <cyclonut> any terrible horrible disasters arising from the latest round of updates for folks?
[22:24] <xanadoid> I upgraded to the latest beta and now the panels have disappeared from my gnome desktop. All of the icons are there, and I can create launchers. how can I get the panels back?
[22:24] <cyclonut> xanadoid, are they set as transparent?
[22:24] <xanadoid> no
[22:24] <xanadoid> they're just gone.
[22:25] <cyclonut> and you cant add new ones?
[22:25] <ddalton> ok I just updated to hardy problems I see: - On boot-up my internet connection isn't picked up. I need to replug the cable in... - GDM doesn't seem to work. Every thing else seems fine... Anyone know why?
[22:26] <ddalton> can I down grade gdm?
[22:26] <xanadoid> I've tried, but all instructions for creating a new panel say that to do so I should right-click on a panel, which I obviously can't do.
[22:26] <RainCT> ah btw has anyone here a USB GPRS/UMTS modem?
[22:27] <cyclonut> xanadoid: try going in gconfeditor to apps/panel/toplevels
[22:27] <cyclonut> xanadoid: see if anyting shows uop
[22:27] <KalEl> how can i shutdown ubuntu from command line? "shutdown now" seems to get into a text mode dialog instead of fully shutting down
[22:27] <cyclonut> KalEl: shutdown -h now
[22:28] <cyclonut> the 'h' stands for halt
[22:28] <KalEl> thanks!
[22:28] <cyclonut> np
[22:29] <KalEl> what's the difference between halt and power down? it means the same?
[22:29] <cyclonut> dunno
[22:29] <cyclonut> halt works though :)
[22:29] <KalEl> ok
[22:29] <KalEl> great
[22:33] <RainCT> KalEl: I think one stopped the machine completely after booting down and the other not, but I might be wrong
[22:36] <marnanel> Good evening.  Almost everything worked on a gutsy to hardy upgrade, but gksu network-admin is telling me "Unknown property: GtkComboBox.items".  Am I doing anything particularly wrong, or is this a known problem?
[22:36] <marnanel> (It then quits immediately after starting.)
[22:37] <KalEl> oh thanks
[22:37] <RAOF> marnanel: You probably shouldn't be running that as root; you're probably confusing policykit :)
[22:39] <marnanel> RAOF: Oh, interesting.  Well, I just tried *not* running it as root, and it told me it couldn't load PolicyKit.conf because it didn't exist, which I suppose is a sign of the same problem; I'll go and figure out how to make myself a PolicyKit.conf.  Thank you!
[22:39] <vaughn> Anyone seeing high cpu useage in the resources chart but little to know useage in the processes?
[22:39] <vaughn> In Hardy beta that is
[22:40] <RAOF> vaughn: Video drivers which aren't nouveau are really, really bad at accelerating cairo.  That's what you're seeing.
[22:44] <alex_mayorga> anyone else seeing FF crash when checking mail on mail.yahoo.com ?
[22:52] <rchrdcrg> hey, I was wondering if anyone else has been having issues with Nautilus crashing in the last 12 hours or so
[22:55] <rchrdcrg> I'm going to guess not
[22:55] <cyclonut> good news everyone! the latest updates killed nothing :)
[22:55] <gluer> lol
[22:55] <jevin_> lol
[22:56] <rchrdcrg> hmm, I'm trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or not
[22:57] <jevin_> Could someone try installing libghc6-x11-dev on Hardy?  It's giving me ugly dependency errors.
[22:57] <gluer> i think it was a bit of both sarcasm and joy
[22:57] <gluer> ;-)
[22:57] <rchrdcrg> aaah, I wasn't sure, because my update this morning (about 12 hours ago) killed Nautilus for me
[22:58] <cyclonut> aye, a bit of both
[22:58] <gluer> is there another way i can control laptop brightness besides xbacklight which doesnt seem to be working
[22:58] <cyclonut> gluer: you can echo it to a file... I dont remember which one though (helpful as all hell, I know)
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> Is anyone else having very poor madwifi performance recently
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> (This is a card that has been perfect ever since I can remember)
[22:59] <xanadoid> how do I add a gnome desktop panel if I have none on which to click "create new panel" on?
[22:59] <gluer> cyclonut: there is no way in gnome to set it? my fn keys arent working
[23:00] <cyclonut> gluer: hrmm
[23:00] <cyclonut> gluer: I bet you could find something in config editor
[23:00] <cyclonut> xanadoid: also, you can create new panels using config editor
[23:00] <gluer> cheers
[23:00] <xanadoid> how?
[23:00] <cyclonut> app/panel/toplevels/
[23:01] <alex_mayorga> anyone else having/had bug 146946
[23:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146946 in gnome-control-center "[gutsy] Gnome settings daemon randomly does not work" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146946
[23:01] <cyclonut> create a new key
[23:01] <rchrdcrg> so I'm gonna guess nobody knows anything about Nautilus crashing?  I can't even open a file window, and my desktop icons are all missing, and it's pretty much left my computer about 80% useless
[23:01] <rchrdcrg> i'm trying to see if anything's on launchpad
[23:02] <Zoris> okay, when I open firefox beta, it goes to http://0/ instead of my homepage
[23:02] <Zoris> any reason for this?
[23:02] <xanadoid> what key do I create?
[23:02] <rchrdcrg> have you just tried changing it again in the settings, Zoris?
[23:03] <Zoris> yes I have
[23:03] <Zoris> When I press "home", however, it does go to my homepage, just not on startup
[23:04] <cyclonut> xanadoid: hold on
[23:04] <rchrdcrg> I figured as much, but I'm usually the first to overlook the obvious, so I thought I'd ask ;) ... and I have no clue, otherwise
[23:04] <Zoris> alright, well does anybody else have any idea?
[23:05] <tumi> Is anyone experiencing that moving large windows around is sluggish with compiz?
[23:05] <gluer> tumi: yeh
[23:06] <tumi> not only that but the cursor movement differs from what you would experience with metacity. For example, when a window is "snapping" to something, the cursor does'nt move while snapped
[23:06] <gluer> and since installing updates my screen is flickering
[23:06] <tumi> gluer, what driver are you using?
[23:06] <jevin_> Zoris: Have you installed Kiba Dock?
[23:06] <gluer> restricted nvidia
[23:07] <rchrdcrg> I noticed a slowdown in rotating my desktop cube, but I just switched to a new monitor with a slightly higher resolution, so I figured it was due to the higher res... I'm using the restricted nvidia drivers as well
[23:07] <tumi> gluer, and the same thing happens with the cursor while moving a window?
[23:07] <cyclonut> xanadoid: http://www.dumpt.com/images/showphoto.php?photo=5576&cat=2
[23:07] <cyclonut> xanadoid: that is what mine looks like. I'd mabe the bottom_panel key and make all the attributes that are within it (the right pane)
[23:07] <rchrdcrg> brb, gonna try a fix to my nautilus problem
[23:07] <cyclonut> gl
[23:08] <jevin_> Zoris: If you have: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570512
[23:08] <gluer> tumi: no just random flickering, and wobbly windows get stuck ;-)
[23:09] <cyclonut> xanadoid: or, do this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+question/3179
[23:09] <Smegzor> Why do I have to nudge my network configuration every time I reboot?  All I need to do is change the ip then change it back again and I'm online.  Bug?
[23:13] <thompa> Kubuntu is real good this time, im stuck on it
[23:14] <adinc> the network manager applet doesn't show me a menu entry to scan for wireless networks, it only shows "manual configuration" is this something i can adjust?
[23:14] <Zoris> thanks, jevin_!
[23:14] <Zoris> that worked
[23:14] <jevin_> Zoris: lol google "firefox http://0/"
[23:14] <thompa> now i like Amarok in kde better also
[23:15] <jevin_> Oh well
[23:15] <thompa> any acer aspires with atheros here?
[23:15] <jevin_> thompa: Sounds like exaile is coming along though.  I have Amarok going on in my gnome env now though
[23:15] <thompa> jevin_: cool
[23:16] <jevin_> Come someone please try: "sudo apt-get install libghc6-x11-dev".  Does it work?
[23:16] <thompa> 3d effects are better in Kubuntu for me this time round. Nice
[23:18] <thompa> laser mouse is working better for some reason, wireless is still a problem with acer_acpi and the kernel
[23:19] <jin> the new Banshee alpha release looks very promising
[23:19] <jin> :-)
[23:19] <vaughn> RAOF: So it's the driver for my ati card?
[23:19] <RAOF> vaughn: Yup.
[23:19] <vaughn> I haven't switched to the ati driver yet
[23:19] <vaughn> Thanks for the help
[23:20] <thompa> building madwifi no longer works since last kernel upgrade a while back, Im wondering if I should use a later kernel
[23:20] <RAOF> vaughn: It pretty much doesn't matter which driver you use at the moment; all but the most recent are crap at that.
[23:20] <thompa> or backports??
[23:20] <jevin_> I just find Amarok's search interface too complicated.  iTunes was pretty slick!
[23:20] <J-_> !info xmms hardy
[23:21] <jevin_> thompa: Madwifi is usually built for specific kernels.  You may have to search for a revision that works for your kernel
[23:21] <J-_> Is xmms not included in the Hardy repos?
[23:21] <thompa> jevin_: ive been on that route for a while its broke bug filed, im stuck
[23:21] <jevin_> tompa: Usually people ask similar questions to yours in the madwifi mailing list.
[23:21] <J-_> !info xmms
[23:22] <thompa> jevin_: I think acer_acpi is included in the kernel
[23:22] <thompa> jevin_: it says atheros wireles in hardware with nvidia, but its not their as a device
[23:22] <jevin_> thompa:  Since the api and internals wifi portions of the kernel are often worked on, it doesn't surprise me if madwifi breaks from one kernel to the next.
[23:23] <thompa> modprobe no longer works either
[23:23] <thompa> jevin_: what broke it is an attempted fix
[23:23] <arekkusu_> Hello ! I want to know if it will be possible possible to upgrade from the actual 8.04 beta to the final version once it's out ? Or if I might run into problem trying to do this... ?!
[23:23] <schierbeck> hey guys
[23:23] <Lamego> yes, if you keep updating your system, it will become final
[23:23] <jevin_> arekkusu_: It will show up in the update manager for sure.
[23:24] <thompa> jevin_: cause now I can't even build it
[23:24] <jevin_> thompa: Build madwifi?
[23:24] <schierbeck> do you know what kernel version the hardy final release will be shipping?
[23:24] <thompa> jevin_: im going to see what changed if 2.6.25 works or before
[23:24] <schierbeck> i'm hoping for 2.6.25+
[23:24] <thompa> jevin_: i can build svn and the patched for acer aspires
[23:24] <arekkusu_> jevin_: Ok thx
[23:25] <thompa> thompa: the other route was to build acer acpi, but since they included that its borked
[23:25] <jevin_> tomsku: Based on the bug: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1756.  People seem to have success building from the latest madwifi from source.
[23:25] <schierbeck> thompa: oooh, that's just what i'm here to ask about -- 2.6.25 includes the acer wireless drivers, right?
[23:25] <jevin_> Oops.  I meant thompa. :D
[23:26] <E1337> got a ? im trying to make it to where under my nic card i change my dns server but every time i do it like auto updates in 15 mins and changes it back? can someone tell me how to turn that off?
[23:26] <thompa> schierbeck: it has acpi and the new driver I think
[23:26] <schierbeck> thompa: yes! and that version will ship with hardy, right?
[23:26] <slipttees> Removing wine ...
[23:26] <slipttees> Purging configuration files for wine ...
[23:27] <slipttees> but, wine's still have entreis in my aplications menu!
[23:27] <thompa> schierbeck: i dont think so
[23:27] <slipttees> howto remove it ?
[23:27] <schierbeck> damn...
[23:27] <thompa> schierbeck: its supposed to be backported
[23:27] <schierbeck> guess i'll still have to install acer-acpi then
[23:27] <schierbeck> oh, okay then
[23:27] <jevin_> schierbeck: 2.6.25 ain't out yet according to kernel.org
[23:28] <thompa> schierbeck: but its broke worse
[23:28] <schierbeck> i know, but i was hoping it would make it in time
[23:28] <thompa> schierbeck: what your wireless card?
[23:28] <schierbeck> hmm, forgot
[23:28] <schierbeck> i'll check
[23:28] <jevin_> For madwifi, it's the madwifi-ng that people seem to have success with
[23:28] <thompa> schierbeck: you could test the latest kernel, mandriva works, and it will soon here I am sure
[23:29] <schierbeck> Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[23:29] <thompa> schierbeck: your fine
[23:29] <schierbeck> cool
[23:29] <thompa> im screwed though
[23:29] <schierbeck> acer-acpi is working for me on gutsy
[23:29] <schierbeck> you've got an acer too?
[23:30] <thompa> schierbeck: yes but I have a different wirless device atheros that requires an on switch hack
[23:30] <schierbeck> have you tried acer-acpi 0.10.x
[23:30] <schierbeck> i think 0.11 broke something for me too
[23:31] <thompa> schierbeck: no i will try, but hal is a problem and also usb
[23:31] <schierbeck> hmm
[23:31] <Spenc3> so atheros based wireless card doesn't work on hardy at this moment?
[23:31] <thompa> Spenc3: I need to boot it, its ony acer aspires 55** models,
[23:32] <Spenc3> alright.
[23:32] <thompa> Spenc3: alpha6 works still
[23:32] <thompa> I think eee machine too
[23:33] <Spenc3> it's a D-LINK card would it work?
[23:33] <Spenc3> it uses the restricted driver right now.
[23:34] <Spenc3> as long as i got internet connection, i don't mind having to fix anything else.
[23:34] <schierbeck> thompa: it doesn't work at all, or can you enable wireless manually?
[23:34] <thompa> Spenc3: test it live, the intel wireless worked live for me btw on toshiba
[23:34] <thompa> schierbeck: i dont think any os does that
[23:35] <schierbeck> thompa: well, bluetooth was disabled for me, i just had to set a parameter when modprobing -- i'm sure you've tried everything, i just wanted to check
[23:38] <bhsx> hola amigos... what's the metapackage name for kde4 in hardy?
[23:39] <thompa> schierbeck: comes up with lspci as AR242x
[23:39] <thompa> that looks wrong
[23:40] <Jaymac> bhsx uhh.. kubuntu-desktopkde4?
[23:40] <schierbeck> sure does
[23:40] <Jaymac> no, that doesn't look right..
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> will Firefox3 Beta 4 go to 5 before final release?
[23:40] <bhsx> nope
[23:40] <Flannel> bhsx: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:40] <Jaymac> there we go.. :)
[23:40] <thompa> schierbeck: no wireless extensions though
[23:40] <bhsx> thanks
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> so 8.04.1 will have Firefox 3 (no beta) then i assume
[23:41] <Jaymac> Flannel: is it not: kubuntu-desktop-kde4 ?
[23:41] <thompa> schierbeck: change in kernel version will fix it for me, mandriva with their latest also works
[23:41] <Flannel> Jaymac: not according to p.u.c
[23:41] <Flannel> !info kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:41] <schierbeck> thompa: okay, at least that's something
[23:41] <Flannel> Hmmm, ubotu is sick.
[23:42] <Jaymac> Flannel: never mind, i think it used to be the other one..
[23:42] <Jaymac> found it :) http://packages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:43] <thompa> schierbeck: the device name is wrong maybe so I could start there
[23:44] <thompa> Flannel: just change the colors
[23:44] <Flannel> thompa: What?
[23:45] <thompa> Flannel: whats broke?
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> are there plans to put firefox3 final into 8.04.1?
[23:45] <Flannel> thompa: ubotu appears to be.
[23:45] <thompa> Flannel: whats ubutu
[23:45] <Flannel> thompa: a channel bot
[23:45] <ere4si> !bot
[23:45] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:45] <thompa> !mplayer
[23:46] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[23:46] <Flannel> interesting.
[23:46] <Flannel> !info kubuntu-desktop
[23:46] <thompa> Flannel: nothing wrong there
[23:46] <Flannel> thompa: The fact that he's not responding, yes.
[23:46] <ere4si> Flannel: the !info hasn't worked for a while and !find
[23:46] <thompa> !kubuntu-desktop
[23:46] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[23:47] <ddalton> hey you guys got a dev channel? Or some devs here I could speak to?
[23:47] <thompa> Flannel: was ther that other one?
[23:47] <thompa> maybe its changed?
[23:47] <thompa> !kubuntu
[23:47] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[23:48] <Flannel> thompa: info is a package versioning thing, not factoids
[23:48] <E1337> could someone help me figure out why when i change the dns on my nic it keeps refrashing
[23:48] <thompa> Flannel: oh, i never used bot here
[23:49] <thompa> in kanotix all the time
[23:50] <thompa> !kde4
[23:50] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:50] <thompa> 4.02 huh?
[23:51] <lime4x4> anyone having an issue with bluetooth disconnecting?
[23:53] <gaucho> hi! my sound isn't working on heron, but it was working good on gutsy. What can I do?
[23:53] <hmuller> lime4x4: no, but I remember on my last laptop when I had the bluez, it was a USB issue, problem with the ehci driver.  rmmod'd ehci, then no problem. you could rule that out by doing the same.
[23:54] <hmuller> gaucho: try checking your settings in both gnome-volume-control and alsamixer
[23:55] <gaucho> hmuller: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[23:58] <Smegzor> Is anyone able to change their desktop background in Gnome via system/appearance ?  I can't.  Nothing happens :(
[23:58] <hmuller> Gaucho:  see Bug #200182, it may apply to you
[23:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200182 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device  (dup-of: 200338)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200182
[23:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[23:59] <hmuller> Smegzor: Works here, on a fresh install
[23:59]  * Amaranth waves goodbye to launchpad
[23:59] <gaucho> hm
[23:59] <Smegzor> hmm.  mine's a fresh install too
[23:59] <Amaranth> if you need something on launchpad do it in the next 60 seconds or so


  SELL!  → recession
[14:31] <desrt> it's rainy: the market for solar panels is going to dive!  SELL! → recession
[14:31] <desrt> the sun doesn't rise in the morning: what's going on ?!? SELL! → recession
[14:31] <seb128> desrt, also she stated that they are going to use their freedom to "set a competitive tax rate” if needed
[14:31] <desrt> as in, raise or lower?
[14:31] <xclaesse> market is under perfusion of free money like a junky is on coke for so long, they don't have reasonable reactions
[14:32] <seb128> desrt, lower
[14:32] <seb128> just cut on taxes so business move there
[14:32] <seb128> if I understood that correctly
[14:32] <desrt> great!
[14:33]  * desrt ♥ race to bottom
[14:33] <seb128> "great" indeed
[14:33] <seb128> :-/
[14:33] <desrt> woh.. X added (compose)<3 as unicode heart
[14:33] <seb128> lol
[14:40] <desrt> (buy!  → pound goes up)
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> oh, I'm so embarrassed to share the same nationality as roger helmer
[14:48] <desrt> you should never be ashamed because you were randomly assigned the same nationality as an idiot
[14:49] <desrt> you should rather be ashamed that you were part of a group that voted to put him in power
[14:53] <andyrock> hey guys
[14:53] <desrt> morning!
[15:23] <willcooke> sorry for late notice, my first meeting over ran a lot, so knock on effect I'm in another meeting now
[15:23] <willcooke> so seb128 is going to chair the weekly meeting
[15:24] <willcooke> when he gets back on line
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <seb128> sorry moved placed and just managed to reconnect to IRC
[15:30] <FJKong> hi
[15:30]  * qengho considers using his status update to complain about keybinding or general session settings being all broken on his machine again.
[15:30] <seb128> I'm going to lead the meeting this week since will_cooke busy in London
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 17 15:30:57 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <seb128> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), flexiondotorg (other meeting), happyaron (out, hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:31] <andyrock> o/
[15:31]  * Sweet5hark reporting
[15:31] <seb128> shrug, was editing the outs and comments and hit enter
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> in
[15:32] <seb128> don't pay attention about those status it's a copy from previous week :p
[15:32]  * FJKong feel sleepy
[15:32] <seb128> hope everybody is doing fine!
[15:32] <hikiko> hello
[15:32] <seb128> let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:33] <andyrock> hey i've been working on unity8 to resgister the test failures, I already have a branch but I'm trying to make the recording better
[15:33] <andyrock> some help debugging compiz/unity issues
[15:33] <andyrock> eow
[15:34] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:34] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:34] <attente> hey seb128
[15:34] <attente> can you come back to me after?
[15:34] <seb128> sure
[15:34] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:34] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:36] <seb128> no desrt?
[15:36] <seb128> #topid dgadomski
[15:36] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> * submitted a patch to Debian as a possible fix to bug #1550983
[15:36] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:37] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <seb128> hey FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> hi
[15:37] <FJKong> #1638345 avahi-daemon crashes multiple times an hour
[15:37] <FJKong> discuss this bug with upstream developer, wait for update of fixing.
[15:37] <FJKong> #1640317 FTBFS in zesty
[15:37] <FJKong> more information requested
[15:37] <FJKong> #850675 [wsjtx] Too old version, does not have WSPR,
[15:37] <FJKong> packaging and upgrade to upstream version
[15:37] <FJKong> #1657069 Fcitx ram leak
[15:37] <FJKong> give a quick response reply.
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:38] <seb128> FJKong, I tried to ping a few people and added some comments on the avahi bug, let's see how that works out
[15:38] <seb128> thanks FJKong
[15:38] <seb128> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:38] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Time appropriate greetings!
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated Trello
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · About a dozen upstreams and ISVs on the go.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Been helping IBM with Node-RED *a lot*.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Currently working on a usb-serial interface for snapd.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Talking to Raspberry Pi Foundation to try and get AppArmor in snapd in Raspbian.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg>   · Writing some snapcraft/snap docs for snapcraft.io.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Some bug triage, mostly GTK3+ regressions. SRUs in progress.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:39] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:39] <seb128> regressions in what serie?
[15:39] <seb128> SRU ones?
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> GTK2+ and GTK3+ for some memory leaks.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Unreleased patches upstream.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> SRUs for Yakkey.
[15:40] <seb128> k
[15:40] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> And Xenial.
[15:40] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <seb128> happyaron, hey, around? (if not I've your summary)
[15:42] <seb128> seems not so
[15:42] <seb128> 1. n-m and applet SRUs (again)
[15:42] <seb128> 2. spl-linux's Linux 4.9 compatibility fix
[15:42] <seb128> 3. work on root zpool
[15:42] <seb128> 4. some work on manpages-zh
[15:42] <seb128> 5. translation reviews for zh_CN
[15:42] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <seb128> hikiko, hey
[15:42] <hikiko> hey :)
[15:42] <hikiko> writing the final lowgfx bits :) eof
[15:42] <hikiko> quite short report this week :)
[15:43] <seb128> thanks hikiko
[15:43] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:44] <Laney> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[15:44] <seb128> :-)
[15:44] <Laney> what
[15:44] <hikiko> haha
[15:44] <Laney> my SSH is lagging
[15:44] <Laney> anyway
[15:44] <Laney> • autopkgtest:
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ gave access to apw, trained him a bit in the infrastructure
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ watched things, requeued some stuff etc
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ started setting up local instance to do some development (e.g. want to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1630578 next, then https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1649525)
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ got pinged about the ssl cert expiring, so figured out how that works & renewed it
[15:44] <Laney> • britney:
[15:44] <seb128> meeting!
[15:44] <Laney> ∘ fix proposed to not block on dropped tests in -proposed, waiting for review  (https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+ref/dropped-tests/)
[15:45] <Laney> • gnome-software:
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ rebased, updated, helped fix a couple of bugs and did some refactoring
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ had some chats upstream about implementation issues
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ rebased onto master, going to try to get stuff upstream
[15:45] <Laney> • archive:
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ rebased gst-good SRU
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ stabbed tests for glib2.0 SRUs, should be ok to go
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ some random fixes (e.g. cowsay breaks/replaces bug)
[15:45] <Laney> ➲
[15:45] <Laney> think debmirror must have kicked in
[15:45] <seb128> good busy week
[15:45] <seb128> oh and good job being part of the new p_itti :-)
[15:45] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:46] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:46] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:46] <qengho> Howdy!
[15:46] <qengho> - working on chromium beta tree
[15:46] <qengho>  + aura x11 paste bug
[15:46] <qengho>  + display-density regression
[15:46] <qengho> - updated Web Browser testng snap in edge channel, promoting to beta channel soon
[15:46] <qengho> - SAML login bug because of API key change last year? I don't grok at all.
[15:46] <qengho> - Moved to Gnome3 for the month on 16.10 laptop. keybindings, touchpad click, settings are set, but some not active. No idea why. It's maddening.
[15:46] <qengho> - One national holiday.
[15:46] <qengho> EOF :unicodeything:
[15:47] <seb128> qengho, thanks (and no idea bout your GNOME3 issues, maybe worth a bug report on gnome-shell or something)
[15:47] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> • verified some xenial SRUs
[15:48] <seb128> • cleaned a bit the sponsoring queue
[15:48] <seb128> • launchpad bugs triage and debugged a bit some issues on the way
[15:48] <seb128> • reviewed n-m SRUs for Aron
[15:48] <seb128> • discussed with Didier the snappy desktop launcher changes for the gtk framework and tested new iterations
[15:48] <seb128> • tested tweaks to the gtk-runtime-snaps examples

[15:48] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:48] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - got LibreOffice 5.3 snap to build in basic fashion on launchpad even
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - still missing the usual things vs. dpkg: e.g. full l10n, debug symbols etc.
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - working on getting the 5.3 dpkg on zesty now
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> -- unfortunately, more fun than expected there :/ -- e.g, debian moved to that newfangled dh9 dbgsyms-foo and I need to figure out if we want to follow (and if so, when) or not
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> -- still some MIRs dances/dep bumps expected
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> - usual TDF work: foundation budgets/approval, staff leadership
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:49] <Laney> you can follow that change
[15:49] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:49] <Laney> ubuntu has had automatic dbgs for ages
[15:49] <Laney> ddebs
[15:49] <seb128> Sweet5hark, btw any news about applying for libreoffice ppu again? ;-)
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> seb128: mhmhm
[15:50] <seb128> and what Laney says about ddebs
[15:50] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark :-)
[15:50] <seb128> #topic themuso
[15:50] <seb128> * Had a meeting with Konrad Zapalowicz to sort out matters with regards to bluetooth, pulseaudio patches, and pulseaudio and bluez in Xenial. His team have a desire to push a new bluez version to Xenial. I'm not sure whether it will be a bug fix only release.
[15:50] <seb128> * Started testing pulseaudio 10 RC with the bluetooth hardware I have, due to having had to port a patch or 2. Things seem working, need to check logs and make sure my procedure in all cases is correct.
[15:50] <seb128> * Filed main inclusion reports for espeak-ng and pcaudiolib, since Jeremy synced Speech Dispatcher from Debian. Once these are in, I'll move BrlTTY over to using espeak-ng as well, at which point the original espeak will drop from main.
[15:50] <Laney> I think that we did something to make rules files coming from Debian work properly
[15:50] <Laney> oops
[15:51] <seb128> Laney, don't worry, I guess we can sort if you with Sweet5hark just after the meeting if he needed
[15:51] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[15:52] <seb128> I didn't see him today I think so let's move on
[15:52] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:52] <seb128> attente, back to you!
[15:53] <attente> ok :)
[15:53] <attente> committed window focus fix to gtk-mir upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/1625397
[15:53] <attente> tried to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bubblewrap/+bug/1643734, no luck
[15:53] <attente> backported clipboard patches to gtk3 upstream, need to backport more to reduce the delta
[15:53] <attente> reviewing apparmor dconf patches
[15:53] <attente> (eof)
[15:54] <seb128> who is writing the patches for apparmor? did somebody from the security team pick that up from you?
[15:54] <Trevinho> seb128: sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyy...... Give me a sec to compile the list.... Call me again :-P. I was lost in pushing a fix :-P
[15:55] <attente> seb128: jjohansen added some changes to the old ones i sent to the mailing list last summer
[15:56] <seb128> good morning Trevinho :-)
[15:56] <seb128> attente, k, good to see that somebody is picking that work up!
[15:56] <seb128> thanks attente
[15:56] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:56] <attente> thanks seb128
[15:56] <seb128> Trevinho, k, let's try again :-)
[15:56] <Trevinho> well, i'm actually here since the real morning :-P
[15:57] <seb128> I'm teasing you don't worry :-)
[15:57] <seb128> that said your update would be welcome
[15:57] <seb128> the team is waiting for you :p
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Prepared a couple of patches for upstream Qt (under review now) for better support of indicators when using upstream qt (with no appmenu-qt) and XDG_CURRENT_DESTKOP.
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Found a snapd security issue, some debugging related to that
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Using XDG_RUNTIME_DIR for temporary indicators icons in appmenu-qt and sni-qt
[15:57] <Trevinho> - Fixed a GTest dependency in Nux and compile errors
[15:57] <Trevinho> - More snappying work (telegram, remmina...)
[15:57] <Trevinho>  /eof
[15:57] <Trevinho> ah...
[15:57] <Trevinho> just now
[15:58] <Trevinho> - Fixed some unity7 crashes by properly using cancellable in dbus proxy
[15:58] <seb128> was that the one hikiko was getting?
[15:59] <Trevinho> yeah
[15:59] <seb128> good :-)
[15:59] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[15:59] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:59] <seb128> other topics?
[16:00] <seb128> seems not?
[16:00] <seb128> let's wrap then, thanks everyone!
[16:00] <seb128> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 16:00:34 2017 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-01-17-15.30.moin.txt
[16:00] <Laney> good meeting
[16:00] <seb128> well done team
[16:01] <seb128> just half an hour!
[16:01] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, just some thoughts, *completely* rebase the packaging on debian and only apply needed bits, re-validate the need for a separate l10n source package
[16:01] <ricotz> hey desktopers!
[16:01] <Trevinho> hey
[16:01] <Laney> anyone know WTF this means https://paste.ubuntu.com/23816887/ ?
[16:02] <Trevinho> BadValue..
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, buggy driver?
[16:02] <seb128> is that nvidia?
[16:02] <Laney> dunno
[16:02] <Laney> yeah
[16:02] <seb128> I would bet on that
[16:02] <Laney> It's a laptop what we have here
[16:02] <Trevinho> Laney: why is it trying to use lowgfx? Did you force it?
[16:02] <Laney> no
[16:03] <seb128> seems like the glx code are hitting errors
[16:03] <Trevinho> Laney: what you get on/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -pf ?
[16:03] <Laney> hmm
[16:03] <Laney> how can I run that?
[16:04] <Laney> maybe I can steal the environment from the greeter
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> Laney, seb128: yeah, ddebs should work, but last time launchpad wasnt happy with how they were build in launchpad (worked fine for local builds IIRC). Because I punted on this last time (lack of ressources due to snaps), there is some more merge-work now. Anyway: Will try to get ddebs to work and be as close to debian as possible as first goal. if that doesnt work somehow, falling back to other options.
[16:05] <Trevinho> Laney: oh, yeah....
[16:06] <Trevinho> but.... well, journalctl should give you those infos
[16:06] <Laney> Trevinho: ok, I haxed into lightdm, same glx error
[16:06] <Trevinho> as it runs the same script
[16:06] <Trevinho> yeah, it's your driver missing something... wondering what
[16:06] <Trevinho> and why it doesn't fallback to llvmpipe in case
[16:06] <Trevinho> or if it does it...
[16:07] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23816928/
[16:07] <seb128> ricotz, I'm not sure what the main reason was for the l10n split but it was either buildd disk space usage or build time I think and those are likely still valid
[16:07] <Laney> it looks to me like xorg is using nvidia ok
[16:08] <Trevinho> Laney: no reference on journalctl about the unity-support-test run?
[16:08] <Laney> oh, sec
[16:08] <Laney> Trevinho: this is xenial fwiw
[16:08] <Trevinho> Laney: ah... Then........... Mhmhmh I don't remember, but I think we should run it... It still should be in the upstart logs somewhere
[16:08] <ricotz> seb128, yes, that was the reason, in the past the builder has different sizes, did this changed? I think having like 40GB space would suffice
[16:09] <Trevinho> or maybe it's in a prestart, so you might want to redirect the logging by hand
[16:09] <seb128> Laney, it's similar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/801440/login-loop-badvalue-integer-parameter-out-of-range-for-operation-16-04 ... I sometime see some of those bugs reported on launchpad or forums and they usually are nvidia bugs and fixes are downgrades/reinstall/waiting for new version of the driver
[16:11] <Laney> Trevinho: It's the BadValue at the top of the log
[16:11] <Laney> seb128: ah man
[16:11] <Laney> seems bad that this happens on stable update
[16:11] <Laney> well, let me check proposed isn't on
[16:12] <Trevinho> Laney: wow, right... thus the lowgfx....
[16:12] <Trevinho> Laney: try to force to llvmpipe
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, 1639180 sounds similar
[16:19] <Laney> seb128: it does indeed, thanks
[16:19] <seb128> yw
[16:21] <seb128> ricotz, I don't know about the builder disk space, it's probably a question to ask on #launchpad or to Colin
[16:21] <Laney> tseliot: ^--- any progress to report there?
[16:24] <tseliot> Laney: do we have a bug report about that?
[16:24] <Laney> tseliot: seb just gave it
[16:24] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1639180
[16:26] <tseliot> Laney: oh, that one. I am waiting for the security team to upload the package.
[16:26] <tseliot> the sources are available, and they passed the QA tests
[16:27] <Laney> can you hassle them please?
[16:27] <Laney> not good to be borking desktops
[16:27] <ricotz> tseliot, I guess 304.134 is waiting?
[16:28] <ricotz> seb128, I see
[16:28] <tseliot> Laney: I sent them another email this morning
[16:29] <tseliot> ricotz: yep
[16:29] <ricotz> tseliot, good
[16:29] <tseliot> the driver has been in zesty for a while
[16:29] <ricotz> and in the ppa
[16:30] <tseliot> of course
[16:33] <seb128> so we have a regression in the LTS that makes user not able to log in since novembre§?
[16:33] <seb128> some users*
[16:33] <seb128> how come that's not a top priority and taking ages to get sorted out? :-(
[16:37] <tseliot> seb128: well, the previous security update introduced the regression, so we set up a new process to at least try to prevent that. Updates now involve both the security team and the QA team. So the process is a bit longer. Add the fact that mdeslaur and I were on holiday, and that Sarvatt and tyhicks had to fill in for us, + their holidays, and you get more delays.
[16:38] <mdeslaur> seb128: we had to wait to get a whole new driver first
[16:38] <seb128> tseliot, yeah, I understand how those things happen, it's just not something we can justify to users "yeah it's normal that you are without an usable OS for ages"
[16:38] <tyhicks> I was also sprinting last week and didn't understand that you guys were wanting us to release the updates last week
[16:38] <seb128> we should perhaps have blocked/deleted the previous update?
[16:39] <tyhicks> I see the email ping from several hours ago and we'll act on it shortly
[16:39] <mdeslaur> it wasn't broken on all hardware
[16:39] <seb128> still
[16:39] <mdeslaur> it was a hardware-specific regression
[16:39] <tseliot> tyhicks: thanks
[16:39] <seb128> tyhicks, thanks
[16:39] <tseliot> and true, it was hardware specific
[16:39] <seb128> mdeslaur, well, still letting some users down
[16:39] <seb128> but I don't know how important the security issue was/is
[16:39] <mdeslaur> seb128: I agree, it's unacceptable...but not an easy fix when it's in the binary blob
[16:39] <seb128> so hard to argue for one option
[16:40] <mdeslaur> we definitely will be testing better going forward
[16:40] <tseliot> hopefully that won't happen again, thanks to the new process we have in place
[16:40] <seb128> good to read
[16:41] <seb128> thanks for the hard work mdeslaur tseliot tyhicks!
[16:41] <tseliot> ;)
[16:42] <tseliot> oh, and cwayne and his team did a great job taking care of the QA side
[16:45] <seb128> brb, moving back from the coffee place
[17:30] <seb128> FJKong, where did you report upstream the avahi issue?
[18:05] <Laney> night night
[18:06] <seb128> night Laney!
[21:10] <jbicha> attente: should we cherry-pick your gtk-3-22 mir commits to zesty's gtk3?
[21:11] <attente> jbicha: i'd still like to backport some more patches before we do that
[21:11] <attente> jbicha: and maybe it would be better to wait for the next upstream release
[21:11] <jbicha> ok, I'll just go ahead and upload 3.22.7 now then without them
[21:13] <attente> jbicha: thanks
[21:23] <Blu2> from a design perspective wouldn't it make sense to remove the top bar, when an app is not in fullscreen?
[21:28] <Blu2> on desktop
[22:36] <dmj_s76> jbicha: Which branch should I base changes to the Humanity icons from?