[12:00] <jkelly_> you can run a linux firewall on a sega dreamcast too. i like emacs.
[12:00] <Bh420> was thinking of one of the fanless eden boards for an ipcop machine
[12:00] <dreamer> I love my dreamcast ;)
[12:00] <linux_mafia> dreamer, i here you, im actively considering robbing a bank or some such at the moment, the creditors are closing in
[12:00] <dreamer> :/
[12:00] <dreamer> christmas sucks
[12:00] <jkelly_> dreamer: u could put linux on it!
[12:01] <dreamer> i could, but I'd rather play street fighter on it ;)
[12:01] <Bh420> i am going to claim to be an illegitimate son of bill gates... should be able to get a few mill
[12:01] <jkelly_> or sued a few mil
[12:01] <Bh420> cant get blood from a turnip
[12:01] <linux_mafia> dreamer, bah humbug, i just need to pay my rent, 2 weeks behind :( flatmates not impressed
[12:01] <dreamer> ouch :/
[12:02] <GotD0t> Bh420: not unless you have at least a masters, his daughter isn't getting crap unless she gets a masters
[12:02] <Bh420> yea but i am not a real child
[12:03] <Bh420> perfect age to im 23
[12:03] <neighborlee> is there a way to know when a standard system upgrade wont get me some security update or will synaptic let me know ? ;-)
[12:04] <Aure> where can I make bugreports for ubuntu ?
[12:04] <linux_mafia> i heard/read that he aint gonna give his kids squat "they will have to work for a living to appreciate money" he said, or some such, he'll probably leave his squillions to his cats or something
[12:04] <Bh420> haha
[12:04] <jkelly_> lol
[12:04] <SeFoKumA> re
[12:04] <Bh420> hes got more money then he knows what do with
[12:05] <linux_mafia> Aure, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:05] <jkelly_> the only way bill is going to make windows better is to do what apple done.
[12:05] <linux_mafia> what, make ipods?
[12:05] <jkelly_> apple put their own interface on freebsd.
[12:05] <Bh420> apple....
[12:06] <dreamer> the NT line is based on VMS
[12:06] <jkelly_> if windows done that, all their problems would go away.
[12:06] <Safari_Al> Hi all.  I've a local mirror of the ubuntu archives.  How should I properly install a modified package into this archive?  Is there any tool to regenerate the indeces?
[12:06] <neighborlee> Aure: ubuntulinux.org > support > right side under 'quick links'....( for future reference )
[12:07] <jkelly_> and if bill ditched ie and outlook.
[12:07] <dreamer> considering that 94% of error reporting to ms shows that it's 3rd party drivers / apps that cause the most problems
[12:07] <dreamer> they don't need to ditch ie or outlook, just fix the fucking things
[12:07] <Bh420> actually ie6 with sp2 isnt that bad...
[12:07] <linux_mafia> what has os x got to do with fbsd?
[12:07] <dreamer> it's improved a lot yeah ;)
[12:07] <dreamer> linux_mafia: it's based on the mach microkernel
[12:08] <jkelly_> mac ox x is built on top of freebsd.
[12:08] <linux_mafia> It uses Mach microkernel, BSD is implemented as a layer on top of the Mach kernel.
[12:08] <dreamer> I forget which version
[12:08] <dreamer> darwin is based on freebsd, as others have said
[12:08] <jkelly_> they found 2 new problem with sp2.
[12:08] <jkelly_> *problems
[12:09] <dreamer> sp2 is certainly a rather mixed bag :
[12:09] <dreamer> :/ even
[12:09] <jkelly_> and guess what program it was....?
[12:09] <keenan> if i'm running debian testing and i point apt-get to the ubuntu repository and upgrade, how much stuff will break?
[12:09] <jkelly_> it's was ie.
[12:09] <jkelly_> *it was ie.
[12:10] <jkelly_> go to www.secunia.com for more information.
[12:11] <xevil> keenan: you want to be the guinea pig on that?
[12:11] <keenan> ok, guinea pig, sounds fun =P
[12:12] <linux_mafia> keenan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[12:12] <jkelly_> what's the next version of ubuntu going to be like, i quite like ubuntu. i can watch my dvd's too, using ogle.
[12:16] <keenan> wow, everything's still working
[12:16] <keenan> better reboot to make sure
[12:16] <TTilus> Viite     e M Nimi                 Hahmo
[12:16] <TTilus> 21005 15,00 X Kari Aliranta        Frederik vers
[12:16] <TTilus> 21018 15,00 X Nino Hynninen        Oiva I. Sarko
[12:16] <TTilus> 21021 15,00 X Joni Hyttinen        Anselmi Janokas
[12:16] <TTilus> 21034 15,00 X Juho Itkonen         Hannes Kallo
[12:17] <TTilus> 21050 15,00 X Ville Koljonen       Kaarlo Honka
[12:17] <TTilus> 21063 15,00 X Aku Kolu             Henrik Eklund
[12:17] <TTilus> 21076 15,00 X Heikki Kupiainen     Kaaleppi Konttinen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21089 15,00 X Sampo Kyllnen       Voitto Salokoski
[12:17] <TTilus> 21092 15,00 X Mikko Lehtinen       Henri Ahlstrm
[12:17] <linux_mafia> beat it
[12:17] <TTilus> 21102 15,00 X Tomi Letonsaari      Evert Rauhamaa
[12:17] <TTilus> 21115 15,00   Mika Loponen         Valtteri Kanto
[12:17] <linux_mafia> what is that spam
[12:17] <TTilus> 21128 15,00 X Jarmo Louet          Sepeteus Korppi
[12:17] <TTilus> 21940 15,00 X Janne Nuutinen       Johan Ahlstrm
[12:17] <TTilus> 21144 15,00 X Hannu Pajunen        Anders von Hertzen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21157 15,00   Mikael Palojrvi     Simo Jantunen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21160 15,00 X Johannes Penttinen   Lauri-Juhani Laine
[12:17] <jkelly_> ????????/
[12:17] <TTilus> 21652 15,00   Anssi Rahkola        Dieter Haukkasalo
[12:17] <TTilus> 21173 15,00 X Pauli Rautiainen     Ilmari Merenheimo
[12:17] <TTilus> 21186 15,00 X Tomi Rutanen         Wille Kuusela
[12:17] <TTilus> 21199 15,00 X Mikko Ryytty         Hugo Hinderdorff
[12:17] <TTilus> 21209 15,00 X Jaakko Salonen       Antero jskelinen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21212 15,00 X Kimmo Salakka        Hermanni Vinl
[12:17] <TTilus> 21225 15,00 X Jukka Seppnen       Pivi Koponen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21238 15,00 X Jukka Turunen        Emil K. Hukka
[12:17] <TTilus> 21241 15,00 X Rauli Valo           Viktor Hmlinen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21254 15,00 X Sampo Vartiainen     Lasse Kokko
[12:17] <TTilus> 21267 15,00 X Jaakko Virtanen      Elias Vin Lhteenmki
[12:18] <TTilus> 21270 10,00 X Erkka Jouste         Untamo Erkko
[12:18] <TTilus> 21283 10,00 X Ilkka Plnen        Emil Gustafsson
[12:18] <TTilus> 21296 10,00 X Sami Sorvo           Sulevi Hellsten
[12:18] <TTilus> 21306 10,00 X Markus Valkama       Pekka Ervast
[12:18] <TTilus> 21335  2,00 X Hannu Aarniala       Verner Lehtimki
[12:18] <TTilus> 21348  2,00   Antti Halonen        (tusinaupseeri)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21351  2,00 X Tuomo Kalliokoski    (vapaaherra af Brs)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21364  2,00   Valtteri Saad        (eversti Talvela)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21377  2,00 X Martti Huusko        (alkoholitarkastaja)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21380 15,00 X Tonja Goldblatt      Aino Janokas
[12:18] <TTilus> 21393 15,00 X Anna-Riikka Ihantola Elisa Kantonen
[12:18] <TTilus> 21733 15,00 X Maarit Heikkinen     Katri Lhteenmki
[12:18] <TTilus> 21403 15,00 X Katja Inhil         Tatjana Ivanovna
[12:18] <TTilus> 21416 15,00 X Saana Katila         Natasha
[12:18] <TTilus> 21429 15,00 X Maija Korhonen       Matilda Jskelinen
[12:18] <TTilus> 21432 15,00 X Laura-Kaisa Lehtinen Maria Ehrblom
[12:18] <TTilus> 21445 15,00 X Elina Lappalainen    Viktoria Laakso
[12:18] <jkelly_> ???
[12:18] <TTilus> 21458 15,00 X Elina Leppl        Tilda Vehmas
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21461 15,00 X AnnaLotta Viertola   Helj Piippo
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21474 15,00 X Ines Lukkanen        Kerttu Laine
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21487 15,00 X Helka Mkinen        Eva Ahlstrm
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21490 15,00 X Pauliina Mnnist    Anna von hertzen
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21500 15,00 X Riina Nevalainen     Sylvia Rsenstrm
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <TTilus> 21539 15,00 X Elisa Wiik           Unelma Anniina Lampela
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <sjoerd> dutes, stop doing that
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <TTilus> 21542 10,00 X Sanna Hietala        Irma von Hertzen
[12:19] <calc> someone please kick TTilus and jkelly_
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <TTilus> 21555 10,00 X Mari Jyrnki         (vieraileva jazz-tytt)
[12:19] <sjoerd> s/dutes/dudes
[12:19] <TTilus> 21568 10,00 X Tutta Kesti          Pauliina Salmi
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <calc> well kick ban
[12:19] <TTilus> 21571 10,00 X Heli Lehto           Lyydia Erkko
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <jkelly_> don't
[12:19] <TTilus> 21513 10,00 X Virva Savolainen     Helmi Pellonp
[12:19] <TTilus> 21597 10,00   Heidi Westerlund     (teatterikriitikko)
[12:19] <TTilus> 21607  2,00 X Essi Koskinen        (narikkatytt)
[12:19] <TTilus> 21610  2,00 X Pia Kuivalainen      Emilia af Brs
[12:19] <TTilus> 21623  2,00 X Soila Kyyriinen     (rouva Gustafsson)
[12:19] <TTilus> 21636  2,00   Suvi Korhonen        Lilly Leeman
[12:19] <thenuke> wtf
[12:19] <TTilus> 21678  2,00 X Sanna Pikku-Pyhlt  Aili Kanto
[12:19] <TTilus> 21584  2,00   Kristiina Prauda     Sophia verst
[12:19] <TTilus> "focus follows eye" combined to careless middle-click  :-/
[12:19] <jkelly_> kick TTilus off, but i just want to know what he's doing.
[12:19] <calc> use a better irc client
[12:20] <calc> irssi blocks you from pasting crap like that with an are you sure question
[12:20] <TTilus> 01:18 < TTilus> "focus follows eye" combined to careless middle-click  :-/
[12:20] <thenuke> jkelly_: pronouncing some finnish womans names :)
[12:20] <surrounder> nb
[12:20] <TTilus> calc: using irssi...  :]
[12:20] <calc> TTilus: so a middle click and then another enter or whatever it asks you?
[12:21] <thenuke> oh, and there were names of men also :P what list was that?
[12:21] <calc> or at least iirc it used to warn about large pastes
[12:21] <TTilus> calc: it didnt ask, that's what bothers me the most
[12:21] <calc> perhaps only in the debian version
[12:21] <arctick> finnish is one fucked up language
[12:22] <thenuke> arctick: :(
[12:22] <TTilus> im running irssi in screen and was switching from another prog to irssi, maybe pushed something extra in addition to the things necessary...
[12:22] <thenuke> arctick: might just be one of the hardest to learn languages :) So they say
[12:22] <TTilus> it's late (EEST)
[12:23] <arctick> i dont mean to offend, its just very different
[12:23] <calc> TTilus: well i double checked and it seems ubuntu's irssi doesn't warn about pastes for me either
[12:23] <TTilus> thenuke: aint true, at least not completely
[12:23] <calc> but i am nearly certain the version in debian does, so not sure what the difference is
[12:23] <thenuke> arctick: well, if I look at umm.. some language picked from africa, it would be different :P
[12:23] <neighborlee> is there a way to know when a standard system 'upgrade' wont get me some security update ( because it wont do conflict resolution ) or will synaptic let me know ? ..
[12:23] <jkelly_> so all you did was test ubuntu's irssi?
[12:24] <calc> jkelly_: i don't have debian easily accessible here to verify the version in debian still blocks it
[12:24] <TTilus> thenuke: finnish elementary school ranks the best in PISA and one of the major reasons is the language, if you can speak, you can write too
[12:24] <arctick> its even very different from say german, dutch and english, the germanic languages are the only ones im familiar with (french the exception)
[12:24] <thenuke> TTilus: I do not get your point :)
[12:25] <calc> hmm actually it does work here
[12:25] <calc> i didn't attempt to paste enough lines
[12:25] <TTilus> thenuke: naah... forget it...
[12:25] <calc> you have to attempt to paste at least 5 lines
[12:25] <calc> then it shows:
[12:25] <calc> 17:25 -!- Irssi: Pasting 7 lines to #debian-kde. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do
[12:25] <calc>           this or Ctrl-C to cancel.
[12:25] <thenuke> TTilus: finnish is very complicated language, with many many rules
[12:25] <thenuke> so that is why it is ranked to be pretty difficult
[12:25] <TTilus> thenuke: that one is true
[12:26] <RubenV> ehm, I forgot my ubuntulinux.org password
[12:26] <RubenV> can somebody help me out?
[12:26] <thenuke> chinese is somehow ranked to be the most difficult
[12:26] <arctick> english on the other hand, has rules but they dont mean anything because they are always broken
[12:26] <thenuke> "to learn
[12:26] <thenuke> the Finnish language is just to sit down and shut up"
[12:26] <thenuke> :D
[12:26] <RubenV> thai is horribly hard btw
[12:26] <thenuke> google is almighty and all knowing.
[12:26] <TTilus> thenuke: but that misses the fact that writing finnish doesnt involve any extra difficulties...  :)
[12:27] <thenuke> ah, google told me also. "Although Finnish is known as one of the hardest languages of Europe"
[12:27] <Bh420> any lanugage that has several diffrent meanings depnding on what tone you say it is a pain
[12:27] <arctick> whats the most difficult really depends on your native tounge. for an american, russian is very hard to learn. but for someone who already speaks croatian or polish for example, it's not so bad
[12:27] <linux_mafia> no way is chinese the hardest, it has fairly straight forward syntax, and only 4 tones, thai has something like 16
[12:27] <thenuke> so we might be able to find some really twisted languages outside europe :P
[12:27] <thenuke> to compete with ours =)
[12:27] <RubenV> linux_mafia: thai has 5
[12:27] <dreamer> chinese has more than 4 tones :P
[12:27] <thenuke> Bh420: true =)
[12:28] <RubenV> but thais distinguish letters by the length of it
[12:28] <arctick> from what i read though, finish only loosley resembles estonian not so much other languages in surrounding countries
[12:28] <TTilus> RubenV: so does finnis
[12:28] <thenuke> Bh420: But I think that most often you can pick the meaning from the umm.. surrounding words
[12:28] <Bh420> i will stick with english im fairly fluent in it
[12:28] <Bh420> LOL
[12:28] <linux_mafia> RubenV, really, oh, a guy at my work whos married to a thai told me, im sure he quoted double figures, must have misheard
[12:28] <RubenV> but on an ubuntu related side:
[12:28] <RubenV> linux_mafia: I had a thai girlfriend (exchange student) who tried to learn me thai
[12:29] <TTilus> arctick: actually it resembles estonian so much that finns and estonian people can somewhat understand each other without actually knowing anything about the other language
[12:29] <RubenV> tried, cause thai is impossible if you're not used to hearing tonal languages
[12:29] <RubenV> but as I was saying :D
[12:29] <TTilus> hungary is a close relative to finnish too
[12:29] <RubenV> anybody knows how to reset your opass?
[12:29] <linux_mafia> RubenV, opass?
[12:29] <jkelly_> why are we talking about langauges?
[12:29] <RubenV> *password
[12:30] <RubenV> I wanna give Rossetta a try
[12:30] <arctick> languages are interesting, and have an obvious parallel in programming
[12:30] <linux_mafia> jkelly_, why not, you guys were blathering about windows before for gods sake ;)
[12:30] <Bh420> lol
[12:30] <RubenV> al informatics are linguists in a way
[12:30] <RubenV> i love languages
[12:30] <farruinn> it's probably a topic better suited for #ubuntuforums though
[12:30] <Bh420> im more into accents
[12:31] <linux_mafia> RubenV, what do you mean reset? change it?
[12:31] <dreamer> yeah, there's probably nothing less appropriate than discussing windows in a linux channel
[12:31] <RubenV> yes
[12:31] <arctick> i'm just really starting to embrace languages, hated them in highschool, school ruins everyhthing good
[12:31] <Bh420> dreamer - true but so far everyone here seems to be very helpful and cool unlike most linux chans i ahve been in
[12:31] <dreamer> amen
[12:32] <RubenV> gaaaaaah
[12:32] <linux_mafia> RubenV, in a term type passwd
[12:32] <RubenV> anyone from canonical awake
[12:32] <RubenV> I mean on the ubuntu site linux_mafia
[12:32] <RubenV> you need your plone password for rosetta
[12:32] <linux_mafia> RubenV, oh, ok, sorry
[12:32] <RubenV> and thanks to firefox's nice remember pass feature, i've become completely dumb :)
[12:32] <RubenV> should've stated that more obvious, my fault
[12:33] <jkelly_> python.
[12:33] <Bh420> you can get the pass in the winblows version of FF
[12:33] <Bh420> not sure about linux versions
[12:33] <Striss> I'm trying to get Video-Out to TV working in Ubuntu, could anybody point me to a good walkthrough or tutorial?
[12:33] <Bh420> under adnavaced and privacy i think
[12:34] <Bh420> options > privacy > saved passwords
[12:34] <Bh420> then view saved passwords then hit show passwords
[12:34] <RubenV> heh
[12:34] <RubenV> coool!
[12:34] <RubenV> thanks, didn't know that
[12:34] <jmhodges> ok mono is still broken in hoary
[12:34] <Bh420> np
[12:35] <Bh420> i may use winblows mostly but i dont love ie... LOL
[12:35] <jmhodges> mono-assemblies* needs to be updated.. is anyone else seeing this?
[12:35] <jkelly_> is anyone having problems with archive.ubuntu.com? i am trying to download kde and it won't work.
[12:35] <Aure> me too
[12:35] <Aure> can't install any of the mono debs
[12:35] <jmhodges> gahh..
[12:35] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, hoary?
[12:36] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: hoary
[12:36] <jmhodges> sorry, wasn't clear
[12:36] <jmhodges> mono-assemblies-* are an old version (1.0.2-1).. they apparently need to be 1.0.4-1
[12:36] <tjs_> anyone running hoary kde?
[12:37] <jkelly_> how do u get hoary kde?
[12:37] <jmhodges> ah, sorry
[12:37] <Riddell> tjs_: what's your question?
[12:37] <Riddell> jkelly_: apt-get install kde
[12:37] <jmhodges> its mono-jit.. it asks for mono-assemblies-base-1.0.4 but that deb is "uninstallable"
[12:37] <jkelly_> tried that. can't connect.
[12:37] <tjs_> the kde package has unmet deps, kontact-plugins and kpaint
[12:38] <jkelly_> i think the problem is on their side.
[12:38] <Riddell> tjs_: how about just kdelibs and kdebase?
[12:38] <tjs_> that will work :)
[12:38] <Riddell> tjs_: we're in the process of updating the kde packages so I guess the kde metapackage itself may be not quite right
[12:39] <jkelly_> that works.
[12:39] <tjs_> ah, k thanks :)
[12:39] <tjs_> to 3.2.2?
[12:39] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, hmmm no i dont get that
[12:39] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: well thats interesting..
[12:39] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: i have universe and even multiverse enabled
[12:39] <jmhodges> interesting..
[12:40] <jmhodges> mono-jit:
[12:40] <jmhodges>  Depends: mono-assemblies-base-1.0.4  but it is not installable
[12:40] <jkelly_> what's the next step after you install kdelibs?
[12:40] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, you using synaptic or apt at a cli
[12:41] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: both
[12:41] <Riddell> jkelly_: kdebase kdm   then  kdemultimedia and whatever you want
[12:41] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: just tried both i mean :)
[12:41] <Riddell> tjs: to 3.3.2
[12:41] <tjs> woot
[12:41] <Aure> linux_mafia, I've same problems than jmhodges
[12:41] <keenan> neato, worked perfectly
[12:42] <jkelly_> no, not working.
[12:43] <piyr> is there a network usage monitor with ubuntu, like how there is a cpu usage monitor?
[12:43] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, ok in synaptic, i looked at mono-jit, and yes there is a newer version, the one you mention, i forgot i have smart upgrade turned off, so i thought that was the problem, i mean, not getting the same error as you
[12:43] <jkelly_> yes
[12:43] <RubenV> piyr:
[12:43] <RubenV> yes
[12:44] <RubenV> the system monitor
[12:44] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, but an apt-get dist-upgrade dosent give me it either
[12:44] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: ah, ok..
[12:44] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: so.. where are we then?
[12:45] <piyr> RubenV, how to make it show network usage?  mine shows only cpu, memory, and swap.  tried preferences.
[12:46] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, it says my mono packages have been held back, i guess that disabling smart upgrade in synaptic has affected the cli aswell,  i guess it has put something in apt.conf
[12:46] <jmhodges> hmm..
[12:46] <jmhodges> well i have smart upgrade enabled over here
[12:46] <jmhodges> and damn.. now i have to go
[12:46] <RubenV> can't you check network?
[12:46] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, you will just have to wait until that package is uploaded
[12:47] <jmhodges> well, i've been waiting for like a week or so :-/.. hope it comes soon
[12:47] <jmhodges> thanks linux_mafia
[12:47] <jmhodges> later
[12:47] <linux_mafia> ok
[12:47] <tjs> er... xorg in hoary is built without composite ?
[12:48] <linux_mafia> tjs, no, its just not enable in the conf file
[12:48] <tjs> ah
[12:48] <linux_mafia> s/enable/enabled
[12:49] <tjs> cheers
[12:50] <linux_mafia> tjs, Section "Extensions" / Option "Composite" "Enable" / EndSection
[12:50] <piyr> RubenV, no i don't see that option
[12:51] <tjs> thanks :)
[12:51] <tjs> Xog.conf isnt in /etc/X11 ?
[12:52] <linux_mafia> tjs, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:52] <crimsun> it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf for hoary
[12:52] <scizzo> no one that has got the GLX stuff going with xorg and Nvidia cards?
[12:53] <linux_mafia> tjs, plus you know need xcompmgr, and transset, to actually do anything with the composite optin
[12:53] <tjs> yes, i know
[12:53] <linux_mafia>  /s/optin/option
[12:53] <linux_mafia> ok, just checking dude
[12:53] <tjs> odd
[12:54] <tjs> i did a dist-upgrade to horay and I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:56] <tjs> dpkg -L xserver-xorg says the package doesnt provide one
[12:56] <tjs> do we roll our own?
[12:56] <linux_mafia> tjs, i had that, just trying to remember what was the cause
[12:56] <linux_mafia> oh
[12:56] <linux_mafia> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:57] <tjs> ah
[12:57] <tjs> cheers
[12:57] <linux_mafia> to write one, it dosen't convert the XF86Config-4 file
[01:01] <lexhider> I know it's a basic Q, but how do I create a new page for the wiki?
[01:01] <farruinn> lexhider, do you have an account?
[01:01] <farruinn> (they're free/open to anyone)
[01:02] <lexhider> yep
[01:03] <farruinn> ok, when I log in I see "add wiki page" in the dark brown bar under the "view" tab
[01:05] <bestadvocate> hey does anyone know of a repository with siag office?
[01:06] <scizzo> okay...so before I reboot my machine...again...I would like to ask if someone else then me has the problem with using keyboard layouts in xorg?
[01:06] <boxchat> hi all!i was here earlier looking for help with this thread, which i still havent resolved: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=33690&postcount=5
[01:06] <natex> quit
[01:06] <boxchat> can anyone offer any tips on it? (wireless networking related)
[01:06] <lexhider> ok, I was a little concerned I was changing the ChangeMe site, not actually knowing to change it, D'oh!
[01:07] <farruinn> lol
[01:08] <scizzo> it seems that if I run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart then gdm or X will not understand the options: XkbRules "xorg" and Driver "kbd"
[01:08] <scizzo> it changes the the z and the y
[01:08] <scizzo> so y is at z and z is at y
[01:08] <farruinn> definitely sounds like a bug to me.
[01:09] <farruinn> have you tried searching for a bug?
[01:09] <scizzo> no
[01:09] <scizzo> not yet
[01:09] <scizzo> reboot time...brb
[01:10] <boxchat> any devs/or people knowledgeable about wireless networking to offer advice?
[01:11] <pw> boxchat: I got mine working just today
[01:11] <Neill> boxchat: mine works.
[01:11] <Neill> 802.11b or g?
[01:11] <boxchat> g
[01:11] <pw> Card?
[01:12] <boxchat> they're both using the broadcom 94306 chipset.
[01:12] <boxchat> i think thats the right number
[01:12] <techn9ne> is there a native linxu driver for it
[01:12] <techn9ne> or you use ndiswrapper?
[01:12] <boxchat> techn9ne, using ndiswrapper
[01:12] <linux_mafia> hmmm, so quick to ask questions and leave, people these days
[01:13] <Neill> ooi on this subject has anyone fixed the problem with the default kernel's stack size?
[01:13] <Aure> what the name of the traditionnaly ttyUSB1 on ubuntu ?
[01:13] <boxchat> at the moment, my winxp box is running. iwlist wlan0 scan on the laptop detects the network setting, but i cant get a dhcp lease
[01:13] <Neill> someone was telling me yesterday that they had to recompile to make their driver work.
[01:13] <Neill> boxchat: does if show up with ifconfig?
[01:13] <boxchat> yeah, as wlan0
[01:13] <linux_mafia> scizzo, in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf change Driver "kbd" to Driver "keyboard"
[01:14] <crimsun> Neill: the what?
[01:14] <crimsun> Neill: what are you referencing for 4k vs 8k?
[01:14] <scizzo> linux_mafia: why...it works now
[01:14] <scizzo> linux_mafia: kbd should work fine
[01:15] <Neill> crimsun: A new ubuntu user at work who was complaining about this.
[01:15] <crimsun> Neill: no, what program context
[01:15] <crimsun> what application
[01:16] <Neill> well the windows driver (loaded using ndiswrapper) paniced the kernel with the default stack size but worked with a larger one.
[01:16] <Neill> if I understood what he was saying.
[01:16] <Neill> I was pondering if it would be possible to get a kernel compiled like that included in the distribution.
[01:17] <Neill> (probably going to run into issues supporting non gpled drivers I would imagine)
[01:17] <boxchat> i'm not getting panic or anything. dmesg output all seems normal
[01:17] <linux_mafia> scizzo, yes your right sorry, that should have been the other way, keyboard is depreciated
[01:17] <crimsun> if the driver is included in linux-restricted-modules-foo, then it works. I can't speak for ndiswrapper
[01:17] <RuffianSoldier> im running Hoary - and the new KDE 3.3.2 is in repos - but I cant get it.  Anyone know any other way I can get KDE? PS - I Love Gnome - just gotta test the new KDE
[01:18] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: what's keeping you from getting it?
[01:18] <linux_mafia> scizzo, i just read a doc the other day about differences in xorg and xfree config, and my memory was a bit cloudy, just looked again to refresh
[01:18] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - go to #flood
[01:19] <scizzo> linux_mafia: the kbd is working fine....but as soon as I run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart then the y and z gets switched...if I change it to use xfree86 and keyboard or just keyboard no changes are made when I restart the service again
[01:20] <Riddell> RuffianSoldier: if archive.ubuntu is down you could try and see if a mirror has got it
[01:20] <linux_mafia> scizzo, which version of xorg
[01:20] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: you don't need 'kde'
[01:21] <crimsun> just install the main metapackages referenced by kde
[01:21] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - I know - I want it
[01:21] <scizzo> 6.8.1
[01:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: leave out the metapackages that haven't been recompiled yet
[01:21] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[01:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: apt-cache show kde|grep Depends
[01:22] <RuffianSoldier> then what?
[01:22] <crimsun> install the metapackages listed there except for the ones that aren't available
[01:23] <linux_mafia> scizzo, yeah, that was the other thing that was confusing me, xorg 6.7.x and xfree 4.4 both use keyboard, and xorg 6.8.x uses kbd iirc
[01:23] <scizzo> ok
[01:23] <pusling> what packages does a ubuntu need to get started? I have some problems in the install process and I try to repair it using a live-cd. Is there a standardpackage installing what I need?
[01:23] <scizzo> well I am going to test another thing now
[01:24] <linux_mafia> scizzo, which is odd because if thats the case, im using xorg 6.8.1 myself, and the keyboard driver
[01:24] <farruinn> pusling: look at what's in the "base" section in synaptic perhaps
[01:26] <scizzo> linux_mafia: I can try it again if you want to
[01:27] <scizzo> linux_mafia: have you tried doing changes or even tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
[01:28] <scizzo> linux_mafia: its not when it first boots up...that works fine when it goes from a reboot or something...its when I need to restart X that it changes the keys
[01:28] <scizzo> tried using the keyboard driver now...I still get the same result
[01:29] <linux_mafia> ok, that sounds like some kind of a bug then
[01:30] <linux_mafia> scizzo, but ive not seen similar problems
[01:30] <pusling> it is quite funny to install apt ...
[01:30] <scizzo> linux_mafia: the logfile is happy with kbd
[01:30] <scizzo> reboot again
[01:30] <scizzo> brb
[01:33] <Gaaruto> hello
[01:33] <scizzo> nice...seems like the GLX stuff is working now for me.. :)
[01:35] <Gaaruto> my xmms dont want run again :(
[01:35] <Gaaruto> someone knox this  : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7477 ?
[01:36] <pusling> farruinn: there is a package called ubuntu-base
[01:37] <farruinn> pusling: ah, there you go
[01:37] <pusling> ...but it was during the base system install it crashed last time ...
[01:38] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, what version of xmms?
[01:39] <Gaaruto> linux_mafia, xmms 1.2.10
[01:39] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, full version, ie mine is 1.2.10-1.4ubuntu1
[01:40] <Gaaruto> 1.2.10-1.4ubuntu1
[01:40] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[01:40] <Gaaruto> :(
[01:40] <wurstl007> kann mir jemand bei der mp3 wiedergabe helfen?
[01:41] <pusling> is there a packages.debian.org - just for ubuntu?
[01:41] <farruinn> pusling: unfortunately no
[01:41] <farruinn> apt-cache search and apt-cache show are helpful though
[01:42] <pusling> farruinn: argf... yeah - but I need to install those packages :/
[01:42] <scizzo> Nvidia GLX works just fine in hoary now
[01:42] <scizzo> time to sleep....
[01:42] <_void> hello all
[01:42] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, i was getting the same error the other day, but its righted itself, if you are running the same version as me and seeing the problem, it is most likely related to one of its depends, have you done an upgrade recently?
[01:42] <farruinn> pusling: apt-cache show will tell you what it depends on
[01:42] <_void> anyone here using a radeop 9800 xt ?
[01:43] <_void> radeon*
[01:43] <scizzo> night
[01:43] <crimsun> Gaaruto: sorry, I was helping you with that last time.
[01:43] <farruinn> pusling: you can download the files directly from http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/
[01:44] <crimsun> Gaaruto: could you pass me the url where you posted the strace output?
[01:44] <Gaaruto> linux_mafia, this afternoon at 1am (i m in France)
[01:44] <wurstl007> i cant manage playing mp3 files with ubuntu, although ia already installed the lame codec could anybody help me
[01:44] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, using french server? or master repo? mirrors are sometimes a little (or a lot) behnid
[01:45] <pusling> farruinn: I have a wartymirror on my local network - I like that :)
[01:45] <Aure> good night
[01:45] <_void> wurstl007, lame codec is for ENCODING mp3s not PLAYING
[01:45] <farruinn> pusling: ooh, lucky you =)
[01:45] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, play mp3s in/with what?
[01:45] <Gaaruto> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7477 ? --> there is the same problem crimsun , look at this
[01:45] <_void> wurstl007, there is a tutorial on the wiki if you go look#
[01:45] <crimsun> Gaaruto: I already did, but the strace output is lacking
[01:45] <Gaaruto> linux_mafia, no french server
[01:45] <crimsun> Gaaruto: I need the entire strace output
[01:46] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, also lame is for encoding (making) mp3s, not playing them
[01:46] <pusling> farruinn: the debmirror-command makes nice mirrors ;)
[01:46] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, oh ok, heh
[01:47] <wurstl007> linux_mafia, oh what shall i use then
[01:47] <Gaaruto> crimsun, could you remind me the command to put the result in a file please ?
[01:48] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, well what do you want to use to play mp3s?
[01:50] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, sudo apt-get install madplay, will get you going, you need to enable universe repo though
[01:52] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, gstreamer08-mad for mp3s in rythmbox
[01:52] <wurstl007> linux_mafia, thanks i'm trying this at he moment
[01:53] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, yeah sorry, madplay by itself was not what i meant to say
[01:53] <creeperz> I HATE CRACK WHORES!
[01:53] <creeperz> there im out of the closet!
[01:53] <creeperz> i HATE CRACK WHORES!!!!!
[01:54] <creeperz> if you see a crack whore, shoot on sight!!
[01:54] <creeperz> anyone with me?
[01:55] <wurstl007> linux_mafia, anyway thw wiki seems to work just fine :) thanks
[01:55] <creeperz> i know bam is!
[01:55] <arctick> yeah man, crack whores rule
[01:55] <creeperz> arctick: NO!!! KILL CRACK WHORES!
[01:55] <amathis> arctick: don't encourage him.
[01:55] <creeperz> because amathis wants to lecture me about their rights and bullshit
[01:55] <creeperz> and how i should have sympathy for them
[01:56] <pusling> who have operpower in here?
[01:56] <creeperz> and something about horse sex and him being addicted to stuff so he provides sexual favors
[01:56] <amathis> ...
[01:56] <huttan> creeperz, the point being?
[01:56] <creeperz> well, all i wanted to say was that i hate lectures
[01:56] <creeperz> especially when i dotn care
[01:56] <arctick> crack whores are no worse than normal whores, a whore is a whore, and how is it anyones buisness anyway?
[01:57] <creeperz> good point
[01:57] <amathis> arctick: he just likes bringing conversations into other channels.
[01:57] <creeperz> KILL ALL WHORES!!
[01:57] <creeperz> amathis: this is my first time :-)
[01:57] <pusling> ./ignore creeperz
[01:57] <arctick> hmm, the bad thing about channels with no ops
[01:57] <creeperz> well, im out :-)
[01:57] <creeperz> peace
[01:58] <creeperz> tell Gmail i said howdy
[02:00] <huttan> anyone knows what can be wrong if my kernel only finds 882mb ram, but i have 1gb total?
[02:01] <crimsun> huttan: install an optimised kernel
[02:01] <crimsun> huttan: what cpu do you have?
[02:01] <huttan> crimsun, I think i have, just thinking there is some strange option i forgot then that you could let me know about
[02:01] <huttan> crimsun, p4 3.2ghz HT
[02:01] <amathis> huttan: nice comp :)
[02:02] <huttan> work late shift...lots of cash no life :p
[02:02] <crimsun> huttan: and uname -r reports <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686-smp?
[02:02] <huttan> crimsun, i installed 2.6.9
[02:02] <crimsun> huttan: from hoary or self-compiled or...?
[02:02] <huttan> crimsun, selfcompiled ofcourse
[02:02] <crimsun> Gaaruto: strace -o foo.txt -fF xmms
[02:03] <crimsun> huttan: then you didn't enable highmem support
[02:03] <crimsun> huttan: recompile with it enabled
[02:03] <huttan> crimsun, i need highmem support for 1gb ram ?
[02:03] <crimsun> yes
[02:03] <huttan> oh, thought it was only for like 4gb and really high shit like that
[02:03] <huttan> thanks alot
[02:03] <linux_mafia> who else in here has 1GB of ram? anyone?
[02:04] <crimsun> I do
[02:04] <crimsun> or 1.5 depending on the machine
[02:04] <huttan> crimsun, i set it for 4gb ?
[02:04] <crimsun> huttan: yes
[02:04] <mxpxpod> how do I make kernel-header packages that aren't empty?
[02:04] <huttan> that might explain why things are running slow for me ?
[02:04] <linux_mafia> hmm, just wondered if many people did
[02:04] <crimsun> huttan: it shouldn't
[02:05] <huttan> crimsun, X seems to lagg for some strange reason..and everything is set up right
[02:06] <JDahl> crimsun, isnt highmem support enabled by default? and for debian also?
[02:06] <JDahl> linux_mafia, I have 2gb and often that's not enough for my simulations
[02:07] <crimsun> JDahl: for non -386, yes, but that's irrelevant for huttan, who compiled his own kernel
[02:08] <pusling> what kernel are ubuntu shipped with? kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 are in universe?
[02:08] <crimsun> pusling: Warty ships with patched <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:08] <crimsun> pusling: Hoary currently has patched 2.6.9
[02:09] <pusling> crimsun: so what is the name of the kernel package? (I need to do some manual instal)
[02:10] <crimsun> pusling: for what, Warty? Hoary?
[02:10] <pusling> warty
[02:10] <crimsun> pusling: and what do you want, the image or the source or the headers? What cpu do you have?
[02:10] <pusling> the image - 386
[02:11] <crimsun> linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386
[02:11] <crimsun> (from warty-security)
[02:11] <Gaaruto> for a pentium 4 with hypertreading, is 686 or 686smp ?
[02:12] <jbroome> smp
[02:12] <Gaaruto> thaks
[02:12] <Gaaruto> thanks
[02:12] <huttan> crimsun, is there some special option for dual-ddr or does the kernel autodetect that ?
[02:12] <crimsun> huttan: irrelevant for RAM.
[02:13] <huttan> crimsun, kk
[02:16] <pusling> hmm.. some one at the ubuntu shipping center cannot count ... (ordered 20 - 4 arrived)
[02:17] <JDahl> pusling, where do you check that? I want to see what happened to my CDs
[02:18] <pusling> JDahl: I can remember what I ordered - and it is printed on the envelope what I have ordered (20). They have just arrived today (4).
[02:18] <crimsun> Gaaruto: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:19] <Gaaruto> CraHan_, hoary
[02:19] <Gaaruto> crimsun, hoary
[02:19] <Gaaruto> sorry
[02:19] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:19] <crimsun> Gaaruto: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:21] <Gaaruto> sudo dpkg ?
[02:21] <crimsun> nope
[02:21] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:21] <crimsun> just as a regular user is fine
[02:22] <crimsun> eek, I flubbed the package name
[02:22] <Gaaruto> dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:23] <crimsun> yep, that'll work.
[02:23] <Gaaruto> and now ?
[02:23] <Gaaruto> that's all ?
[02:23] <crimsun> what does it return?
[02:23] <Gaaruto> nothing
[02:24] <Gaaruto> sory
[02:24] <Gaaruto> there is something
[02:24] <Gaaruto> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:24] <Gaaruto> 2.6.9-7
[02:24] <crimsun> Gaaruto: can you update && upgrade please?
[02:25] <Gaaruto> yes i can
[02:25] <crimsun> after the update && upgrade, please reboot and try xmms again
[02:27] <pusling> how do I see if I have grub installed?
[02:27] <Gaaruto> i have upgrading my system this afternoon but there are new packages now
[02:27] <crimsun> pusling: /boot/grub/* exists
[02:27] <crimsun> Gaaruto: indeed, you'll note that there's a 2.6.9-8
[02:29] <Gaaruto> i have this message when i update with ftp://nerim... in my sources.list : GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[02:29] <Gaaruto> what does it mean ?
[02:30] <crimsun> Gaaruto: disregard it for now
[02:30] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:31] <crimsun> Gaaruto: it means the public key used to sign packages from marillat's repository has not been merged into root's keychain
[02:32] <pusling> argff.. no vim either
[02:32] <farruinn> pusling: /usr/bin/vim
[02:32] <Gaaruto> i reboot
[02:32] <pusling> farruinn: not installed yet... apt-get install vim are installing something, but things are quite slow my end :)
[02:33] <farruinn> oh =(
[02:33] <farruinn> right, forgot that you were installing some stuff by hand
[02:34] <pusling> farruinn: I am trying to use qemu which is a gpl wannabe clone of vmware. It is not working 100% (and my computer is quite old)
[02:35] <farruinn> ah, I use a mac, so I don't know anything about vmware
[02:35] <farruinn> or qemu
[02:35] <pusling> qemu is working for macs as well I think ;)
[02:35] <farruinn> this is emulation software we're talking about, right?
[02:36] <pusling> jup
[02:36] <pusling> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[02:36] <GotD0t> anybody know if i can set the wordcompletion in OO.org to tab instead of enter?
[02:37] <Gaaruto> ok xmms work
[02:37] <Gaaruto> thanks
[02:38] <Gaaruto> but can you explain me what is the command you have give me ?
[02:39] <Gaaruto> crimsun,
[02:39] <Gaaruto> ?
[02:39] <hazza96> It gives him root access to your box
[02:39] <hazza96> just kidding :)
[02:39] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:39] <pusling> *lol*
[02:40] <pusling> Gaaruto: is it the grep awk command?
[02:40] <crimsun> Gaaruto: which command?
[02:40] <crimsun> Gaaruto: I didn't do any work at all; daniels did.
[02:40] <Gaaruto> this command : "dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'"
[02:41] <crimsun> Gaaruto: that's my incorrect version (which you corrected) of printing the version of the package installed
[02:41] <Gaaruto> that's all ?
[02:41] <Gaaruto> lol
[02:41] <crimsun> Gaaruto: note in the changelog for linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9 (2.6.9-8) that: * Remove previous patches to nvidia-glx and sync back with Debian patches from new Debian 6629 packages, fixing segfaults (closes: Ubuntu#4640).
[02:42] <pusling> Gaaruto: try only the dpkg part and skip |grep ....
[02:42] <Gaaruto> great
[02:43] <Gaaruto> thanks a lot
[02:43] <hazza96> does anyone play Americas Army on their ubuntu box?
[02:44] <K-otiK> does anyone know how to copy an iso onto your hd using ubuntu?
[02:44] <K-otiK> or a DVD?
[02:44] <hazza96> has anyone tried running a Bynari server on an ubuntu box?
[02:44] <hazza96> K-otiK: do you want to access the contents of the iso?
[02:45] <|QuaD-> Bynari? whats that
[02:45] <K-otiK> no, i want to take for example slackware, and put it on my box and available for download
[02:45] <hazza96> It's a mail server that provides the same functionality as an Exchange server
[02:45] <K-otiK> and have it*
[02:46] <|QuaD-> oh
[02:46] <hazza96> www.bynari.net
[02:46] <hazza96> It can run on Debian after you do a a conversion of the RPM using alien
[02:46] <pusling> isn't it just cat /dev/cdrom > new.iso ?
[02:47] <hazza96> pusling: no
[02:47] <|QuaD-> why not just use a groupware, like phpgroupware, for exchange type stuffs
[02:47] <hazza96> you need to use mkisofs
[02:48] <hazza96> |QuaD-: the clients use Outlook and plugins from other programs
[02:48] <Gaaruto> crimsun, you tell me, about GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim..., "the public key used to sign packages from marillat's repository has not been merged into root's keychain"
[02:48] <Gaaruto> what can i do ?
[02:48] <Gaaruto> to resolv it ?
[02:49] <|QuaD-> hazza96: ohh
[02:49] <homer> do CD-ROM drives have jumpers?
[02:49] <crimsun> Gaaruto: nothing atm because he doesn't sign his packages :)
[02:49] <homer> I tried two ubuntu installation cds
[02:49] <homer> but both had "corrupted" data
[02:49] <homer> at the same time, both worked on my laptop
[02:49] <pusling> homer: yeah - master and slave
[02:49] <homer> i never configured any jumpers
[02:49] <homer> so that could be a cause
[02:50] <homer> k
[02:50] <pusling> does the cdrom work with <another os
[02:50] <pusling> ?
[02:50] <|QuaD-> the cableselect jumber on a cdrom should do the trick
[02:50] <Gaaruto> crimsun, we can't use nerim sources now ?
[02:51] <crimsun> Gaaruto: sure you can - you are
[02:51] <crimsun> Gaaruto: that's just a warning regarding the missing key
[02:51] <crimsun> Gaaruto: it's not a fatal error
[02:51] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:52] <Gaaruto> because it is a debian package, right ?
[02:52] <Gaaruto> or not ?
[02:52] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:52] <crimsun> (the intention is to authenticate the binary packages so you know that the person/machine who claims to have created the package is actually the creator of the package you're downloading)
[02:53] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:53] <Gaaruto> thanks a lot crimsun for all
[02:54] <Gaaruto> i going to sleep (3am here :)
[02:54] <Gaaruto> bye
[02:54] <crimsun> (one of the long-standing gripes against apt is that it isn't able to authenticate the packages. The infrastructure has actually been in place for a long time; last year the work picked up a lot of speed. It looks like Ubuntu will be the first Debian-based distro to implement a couple things like compressing packages and release files with bzip2 instead of gzip and signing packages)
[02:55] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:55] <mike998> crimsun: thanks for the headsup
[02:55] <mike998> sounds pretty cool
[02:55] <Gaaruto> bye all
[02:56] <crimsun> later
[02:56] <mike998> silly question for everyone here... does anyone know of linux based software I could use to transfer mp3s on to my USB connected MiniDisc player ?
[02:57] <|QuaD-> mike998: how are the discs formatted?
[02:57] <|QuaD-> are they like minicds?
[02:57] <|QuaD-> or are they are propietary protocol?
[02:57] <linux_mafia> mike998, what brand is the thing?
[02:57] <linux_mafia> mike998, oh, and model
[02:58] <|QuaD-> linux_mafia: i am guessing sony
[02:58] <mike998> it is for a MD walkman MZ-N420D
[02:58] <mike998> (reading off the front of the device)
[02:59] <|QuaD-> mike998: how do you transfer music on with windows?
[02:59] <mike998> one of the newer NetMD ones
[02:59] <mike998> |QuaD|: when I ran windows I used teh sony software...  I'd like to avoid using it any more
[03:00] <mike998> sorry about the typos - I am trying to find the CD right now
[03:00] <|QuaD-> mike998: its not like a drag and drop windows explorer thing?
[03:01] <mike998> hang on...  I will try.  I don't think it is, though as Sony tend to use their own protocols and compression schemes (I believe it's Atrac for this thing)
[03:02] <mike998> Hmmm - I have connected it via USB and nothing on the dmesg
[03:03] <|QuaD-> mike998: google for some information, but i don't think its possible
[03:03] <mike998> oh ho!  what's this?
[03:03] <mike998> usb 1-2.1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[03:04] <mike998> okay - I will see what google says
[03:04] <linux_mafia> mike998, http://www.pdr.cx/projects/gnetmd/main/
[03:04] <Se7h> hey
[03:04] <Se7h> can u tell the meaning of this please
[03:04] <Se7h> i mean
[03:04] <linux_mafia> mike998, gnetmd looks promising, and there are deb packages
[03:04] <Se7h> whats its for exactly
[03:04] <Se7h> The Ubuntu Backports project's goal is to provide a stable AND up-to-date Ubuntu Linux system by backporting desktop applications from Ubuntu's Development branches and Debian Sid.
[03:05] <mike998> linux_mafia: how do I install from deb?  I've used RPM in the past... not sure about deb
[03:05] <|QuaD-> Se7h: do you want update popular programs like gaim, ooo, and firefox?
[03:05] <linux_mafia> mike998, you are using ubuntu right?
[03:05] <|QuaD-> backports puts stable UP TO DATE releases in their repo, for warty
[03:05] <Se7h> |QuaD| synaptic?
[03:05] <mike998> linux_mafia: Yep...  This is the longest I have ever run linux
[03:06] <linux_mafia> heh
[03:06] <Se7h> ah
[03:06] <Se7h> hmm
[03:06] <|QuaD-> Se7h: synaptic what
[03:06] <Se7h> forget it
[03:06] <|QuaD-> Se7h: remember anything on those are not supported
[03:06] <djtansey> does anyone here have a PDA that they sync with evolution? i'm trying to figure out what to purchase this holiday season. i need a new organizer desperately. esp one that syncs easily.
[03:06] <mike998> linux_mafia: Can I add the URL to the synaptic repositories?
[03:06] <|QuaD-> djtansey: zaurus
[03:06] <linux_mafia> mike998, no
[03:06] <|QuaD-> i don't have one but they are great
[03:07] <mike998> djtansey: I have an Palm Tungsten E that is syncing very well
[03:07] <mike998> linux_mafia: okay...
[03:07] <linux_mafia> mike998, repos need to have certain files to make them work in that way
[03:07] <mjg59> djtansey: Any PocketPC device ought to in Hoary
[03:07] <mjg59> But there's no Evolution 2 plugin for the Multisync in Warty
[03:08] <djtansey> mike998: what don't you like about it? anything?
[03:08] <mike998> djtansey: about the palm itself?
[03:08] <djtansey> mjg59: i have hard time getting myself to use pocketPCs, do palms not sync as well?
[03:08] <djtansey> mike998: yeah. the device or your experience with it.
[03:08] <|QuaD-> mjg59: palms are kind of behind the technology... i reccomend a pocketpc like ipaq... cheap with loads of feature
[03:08] <|QuaD-> s
[03:08] <|QuaD-> and you can put linux on the ipaq
[03:09] <mike998> djtansey: I have to use a SD card reader to move files to my SD card.  The battery will only last for about an hour playing MP3s
[03:09] <djtansey> |QuaD: i had a zaurus. it recently died. it wasn't the best designed thing in the world
[03:09] <djtansey> mike998: one hour? that's not long.
[03:09] <mike998> otherwise, it's not too shabby - works for me... your milage may vary
[03:09] <linux_mafia> mike998, just dl the latest versions of the gnetmd packages that end with .deb, you can install single debs using, sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>
[03:09] <mike998> djtansey: yeah, hence the reason I have bought myself a minidisc player
[03:09] <mike998> linux_mafia: okay - I will try that... thanks
[03:10] <|QuaD-> djtansey: i want the sl-6000, but so expensive compared to an ipaq
[03:10] <linux_mafia> |QuaD-, familiar/opie was kinda shitty when i tried it, is it better now?
[03:10] <|QuaD-> linux_mafia: never used it
[03:11] <|QuaD-> i would do anything for a pda with linux on it again
[03:11] <|QuaD-> though that would mean i would have to remove thunderbird
[03:11] <djtansey> mike998: how is it with handwriting input? how about battery life generally? how well/easily does it sync?
[03:11] <linux_mafia> |QuaD-, what distro did you use on your ipaq?
[03:12] <|QuaD-> i didn't mean again... lol... i have only had palms
[03:12] <|QuaD-> i use a t-mobile sidekick now... which is my pim
[03:12] <mike998> djtansey: ubuntu is the first time I have managed to get this to sync with my pc when it doesn't run windoes
[03:12] <|QuaD-> i am waititng to get a pda until the sidekick can sink with linux
[03:13] <linux_mafia> |QuaD-, when i had linux on my ipaq, it looked kool, everything worked well, but man, i got like a third to a quarter the battery life i got with win
[03:13] <djtansey> mike998: that's encouraging.
[03:13] <djtansey> mike: warty?
[03:13] <|QuaD-> linux_mafia: i want a pda for functionality and a pdaphone for pim
[03:13] <mike998> djtansey: Otherwise, it's not too bad.  The only problem I have with it is that the batteries don't last as long as I would like.  And added to the fact that the SD card can't be used as a type of USB drive...
[03:14] <mike998> djtansey: yep warty
[03:14] <miausX> hi! :)
[03:14] <mjg59> djtansey: I don't have any Palm devices
[03:14] <djtansey> mike998: that's the SD people's fault. hopefully my ibm x40's SD card reader will work sometime soon. do you sync via a cradle? and how long is your battery generally?
[03:15] <marcellus> Which authentication system should one use. Just feels limited to use .htaccess and similar instead of having one systemwide system.
[03:15] <mjg59> I didn't like the Zaurus when I had one
[03:15] <mjg59> Qtopia seemed fairly nasty
[03:15] <mjg59> It may well be better now
[03:16] <mike998> djtansey: battery tends to last a fair while.   It's not a great idea, though.
[03:17] <djtansey> mike998: cool.
[03:17] <djtansey> mike: thanks.
[03:17] <Se7h> apt-got builds and supervises a partial (or full) Debian mirror, that is filled on-the-fly by apt-get requests. But there's more! Its modular mirror engine is ready for customized mirroring algos. So you can easily make your own module! (Eg for apt4rpm)
[03:17] <|QuaD-> thenuke: i meant for pda's... lol
[03:17] <Se7h> nice
[03:17] <mike998> no problems
[03:17] <thenuke> oh ok :)
[03:17] <|QuaD-> mjg59: really?
[03:17] <mjg59> |QuaD-: Familiar is Debian-based, but has smaller packages
[03:18] <mjg59> |QuaD-: Debian doesn't try to make packages small. This is less than ideal if you only have 64MB of storage.
[03:18] <|QuaD-> mjg59: thats the type of thing i wanted
[03:18] <|QuaD-> mjg59: what does zaurus use... what distro
[03:18] <mjg59> |QuaD-: The Zaurus uses something Familiar based, I think
[03:18] <mjg59> It's Debianish
[03:19] <|QuaD-> oh
[03:19] <|QuaD-> i wish they didn't discontinue the zaurus sl-6000
[03:19] <Cloudchaser> a 5500
[03:19] <miausX> |QuaD-, are you asking about a small debian based distro? maybe feather linux (62M), damn small linux (50M)...
[03:19] <Cloudchaser> i wish they sold the clamshell ones here
[03:20] <|QuaD-> miausX: now a pda distro... miausX dsl is an amazing distro
[03:20] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: no wifi or bluetooth builtin :(
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> yah but its what there is
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> right now there's not much else for an alternative
[03:21] <miausX> |QuaD oh... pda... sorry, I have installed feather linux into my usb stick, but no idea about pda's :(
[03:21] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i would be satisfied with an sl-6000 if they weren't 3x the price of the competition
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> its so big though
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> i like the clamshell
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> always have..dreamed of having a nice little clamshell handheld ever since my old jornada fried
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> but i can't afford 800.00 or so to buy one
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> how much was the 6000 going for?
[03:22] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: any idea why zaurus's are soo expensive?
[03:22] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: about $600
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> well the clamshells are expensive because they're resold here by some companies...imported
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> the 6000 probly because of all the stuff it has and it was aimed at enterprise users
[03:23] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i hear there is one being sold in america
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> sharp really hosed it
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> the whole user community really
[03:23] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: what you think of the new clamshell
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> i would love one
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> 4 gig hard drive is cool
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> nice long battery and nice screen i think
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> never saw one in person though
[03:24] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: still upset about no wifi
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> yah that would be nice
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> i have a card though and really don't use the wifi much outside the house
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> haven't run into too many places i could use it
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> rather have longer battery
[03:25] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: hmm, i neeed it
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> and..there's still some apps i can't do on it so i have an old treo90 for palm apps
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> i agree it should be an option on the models
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> same with bluetooth
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> but sharp is catering to japanese users
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> and apparently its not a priority there
[03:27] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: yeah.... i still have a while before i give up my sidekick or they offer sync, so I am not seriously looking yet
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> i love the sidekick's looks but wouldn't get one because i like to add stuff
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> if i could afford it i'd probly get a treo 600
[03:28] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i love it. the restrictions make it an advantage, imho
[03:28] <|QuaD-> it has NEVER crashed on me
[03:28] <|QuaD-> my palm crashed weekly from everything i added
[03:29] <miausX> hum... I'm thinking about update to hoary (to test, send bug reports... you know). Is hoary buggy right now? Can I upgrade without problems or I should wait a few days?
[03:30] <miausX> Now I'm working in the wiki, but I want to be a bit more involved :)
[03:30] <|QuaD-> miausX: now it is pretty nice, last week i was down for aobut 4 days
[03:31] <miausX> oks, thanks |QuaD :)
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> |QuaD i like mine too although since i have an app i need on the palm i mostly carry that..but i have so many cool z apps too that i use
[03:31] <fulvioo> I updated these days, and I havent found a problem yet
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> i like being able to vnc to it and ssh and all that
[03:31] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: they make an ssh app, and are about to release the vnc one
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> you have the 6000?
[03:32] <miausX> hum... you were down? hoary didn't boot?
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> |QuaD I have those already
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> for the 5500...
[03:32] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i don't mind paying for most apps if i plan to use them, but the ssh app is $10 (most are 4.99 or 2.99)
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> oh for the sidekick?
[03:32] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: yea
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> oh i see
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> but i have verizon wireless
[03:33] <|QuaD-> i can't see spending $10 for ssh so i haven't purchased it yet
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> so i can't get one of those
[03:33] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: what phone
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> an old lg vx4400
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> i'd get the treo if i could afford it and the data service ;)
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> but i'm a bit underemployed at the moment
[03:34] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: thats my problem with any company EXCEPT t-mobile... i pay so little for my phones and service
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> right but the coverage area wasn't as good as verizon's
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> and now i'm stuck for 2 years ;)
[03:34] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i live in boston, every service has decent coverage
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> ah
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> i live in florida and like to have phone whereever i go.. in CT there were lots of bad spots with tmobile from what friends told me...not sure how it is here in florida
[03:36] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i live about 70% in boston, 30% in NYC.... both of which do fine wiht most companies
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> what about in between along the way?
[03:36] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i drive.... i lose service for about 10 minutes on the border of mass and ct
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> when i lived in CT i was all over the state hiking and stuff.. verizon was the only one who had service in all areas
[03:38] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: dont forget, i drive on major highways the whole time though... so any company that DOESN"T have service there is in trouble
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> hehe true
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> i was out in the boonies alot ;)
[03:39] <Freedomzen> is this the ubuntu linux channel or a cell phone commercial
[03:39] <Freedomzen> :D
[03:39] <miausX> lol
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> sorry
[03:39] <Freedomzen> kiddin man
[03:39] <Freedomzen> rant on
[03:39] <Dank12345> Hi, I was wondering if you can install windows XP onto a computer that has Ubuntu on it, I have the partitions already, and that.
[03:39] <|QuaD-> Freedomzen: haha... :)
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> i'll ask an ubuntu question and maybe someone can answer this time ;)
[03:39] <miausX> Cloudchaser, no problem :D
[03:40] <|QuaD-> Dank12345: you can
[03:40] <thenuke> Dank12345: sure you can :) you just cant boot yourself to ubuntu then ;)
[03:40] <thenuke> but that can be fixed
[03:40] <hazza96> wow, there are 270+ ppl in this channel
[03:40] <hazza96> is this an indication of how much support it needs or that ubuntu has a strong community?
[03:40] <Dank12345> Do I just do the install, cause Im afraid that the ubuntu might get screwed up, and then I have to install everything again.
[03:40] <miausX> of course... a grub boot disk, knoppix... :)
[03:40] <Cloudchaser> sometimes when i start my pc up or restart it it halts on booting with an error: note: mount [201]  exit with preempt_count 1
[03:41] <miausX> hazza96, both ;D
[03:41] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: thats maybe an answer for a developer
[03:41] <hazza96> lol
[03:41] <thenuke> Dank12345: if you have not heavily customized your ubuntu yet and so on :) it just might be easier to install XP, and then re-install ubuntu :)
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> i had just reinstalled windows 2000 partiton and it didn't write over grub
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> which surprised me
[03:42] <hazza96> Cloudchaser: something went wrong with the Win2K install then
[03:42] <miausX> thenuke, you are right :)
[03:42] <hazza96> :)
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> the windows side has a problem now too..something about not being a windows 2k partition
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> but the windows install works ok
[03:42] <miausX> O.o
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> i don't use it much ;)
[03:42] <thenuke> Dank12345: ubuntu itself will not be screwed up, but the bootloader of ubuntu will be lost.
[03:42] <Dank12345> so you are saying its easier to put ubuntu on a computer that has woiindows, than to put windows onto a comp tat has ubuntu?
[03:43] <Dank12345> SO then can I just make a copy of it
[03:43] <|QuaD-> Dank12345: yup
[03:43] <Dank12345> or somehow get around that>?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> but i still have some apps i need on it that don'tw work on linux...but i wonder why it didn't write over the grub
[03:43] <Se7h> sorry for the spam
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> i was happy it didn't, mind you, so i didn't have to try to rebuild it from the live CD
[03:43] <thenuke> that can be fixed, yes, but if you have to ask this question you asked :) I must say that it would be best if you could install windows xp first and then install ubuntu again. Thay way, ubuntu will make you an bootloader where you choose if you want to boot linux or windows
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> but i was going to try to do that
[03:44] <Dank12345> Sucks...
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> i think i'll start all over again with an empty hd on my laptop, although i have ubuntu all nice and set up now
[03:44] <thenuke> Dank12345: a bit yes.
[03:44] <Dank12345> I was hoping I could leave the ubuntu
[03:44] <miausX> Cloudchaser, the only program I need (for windows) is Borland Turbo C++ (my teacher... you know), but I have dosemu + freedos + tc++ from de Borland museum :D
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> hehe me too Dank12345
[03:44] <thenuke> Dank12345: but after all, it wont take so long to install them both :)
[03:45] <Dank12345> the thing is...I know how to install windows, but not Ubuntu
[03:45] <Dank12345> :
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> i have some gps apps that don't work in linux
[03:45] <Dank12345> :)\
[03:45] <thenuke> ~1hour for XP and ~2hours for ubuntu? or something like that
[03:45] <thenuke> and you do not have to sit there and stare at the monitor for the 3 hours ;)
[03:45] <Dank12345> Yeah
[03:45] <|QuaD-> 2 hours for ubuntu? try like 30 mins'
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu installed itself for me
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[03:45] <Dank12345> Well
[03:45] <miausX> lol
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> was really easy and everything worked
[03:45] <Dank12345> yes if you want it to use the whole drive
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> and the how-to doc is just awesome
[03:46] <Dank12345> and not make any partitions
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> i had partitions
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> 3 of them..ubuntu didn't put my other linux part in the grub though
[03:46] <Dank12345> Well...
[03:46] <Dank12345> One of the things is
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> but thats ok, i don't need it
[03:46] <miausX> Cloudchaser, installation procedure for Ubuntu: ENTER - ENTER - ENTER - UP - DOWN - ENTER ... etc :D
[03:46] <Dank12345> if your network uses DHCP
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> haha yep
[03:46] <Dank12345> then youre set
[03:46] <Dank12345> but if it uses PPPOE
[03:46] <Dank12345> then you have to know the command
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> ah
[03:46] <Dank12345> and the nameserver
[03:47] <miausX> since I try Debian based distro my enter key hates me :P
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> why do you use that?
[03:47] <Dank12345> which?
[03:47] <Dank12345> You mean me
[03:47] <Dank12345> ?
[03:47] <Dank12345> Its not that I use it
[03:47] <Dank12345> Its my ISP....
[03:47] <Dank12345> DSL...
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> ah
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> i never used DSL
[03:48] <Dank12345> :)
[03:48] <Dank12345> Well
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> so i didn't know how to get it set up
[03:48] <gangalino> I've used LSD though
[03:48] <Dank12345> Its a bit cheaper, oh its real easy
[03:48] <Dank12345> if you know the command
[03:48] <Dank12345> :)))))
[03:48] <gangalino> anyone here use CVS to install software?
[03:49] <miausX> Dank12345, well... I had a dsl line, but with a router (the easy way :D)
[03:49] <Dank12345> I use my friend to install software :)
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[03:49] <Dank12345> Yeah that works too
[03:49] <miausX> gangalino, me! I have DR17 installed from CVS :D~
[03:49] <homer> hey
[03:49] <Dank12345> hey!
[03:49] <homer> if you are installing ubuntu
[03:50] <homer> and in the middle the screen flickers madly
[03:50] <homer> and it stops installing
[03:50] <homer> what does that mean
[03:50] <Dank12345> I couldnt even get to where you select the root directory or something???
[03:50] <miausX> what's the problem gangalino?
[03:50] <diego> homer: the world will explode around you in a couple minutes
[03:50] <miausX> diego, lol
[03:50] <homer> seriously though
[03:50] <Dank12345> helpful.....
[03:51] <hazza96> I have NIS, webmin and the webmin-nis module installed.
[03:51] <hazza96> When I try and configure the NIS client using webmin it says that I don't have NIS cleint support installed?
[03:51] <miausX> do you speak spanish diego?
[03:51] <diego> miausX: not actively but i can if i need to
[03:51] <miausX> :))
[03:51] <gangalino> miausx: I've never used CVS before, and what I want to install doesn't have very good instructions
[03:51] <miausX> gangalino, tell me the URL
[03:52] <Dank12345> k see you guys, thanks.
[03:53] <miausX> gangalino, you need (in 90% cases) two commands: a) login, b) check out the sources
[03:55] <homer> anyone know
[03:56] <homer> also
[03:56] <homer> it says that the MD5 and the files don't match
[03:56] <miausX> no idea homer :(
[03:56] <homer> which is weird
[03:56] <homer> because the CD works fine on my laptop
[03:56] <homer> and it is an official ubuntu cd
[03:56] <homer> which no noticeable scratches or anything
[03:56] <K-otiK> is there something i can use to encrypt  files on my computer, just in case of a local compromise?
[03:56] <K-otiK> on ubuntu?
[03:56] <adoyretsamon> homer, i have had lots of problems with those discs
[03:56] <diego> homer: hmm...that is odd
[03:57] <homer> i don't think it's ubuntu though
[03:57] <diego> K-otiK: there are a few options on that, i personally use a loopback filesystem with aes as described in a recent freshmeat article
[03:57] <homer> because it chocked on windows xp installation too
[03:57] <diego> homer: is that cd drive ok?
[03:58] <homer> I have two
[03:58] <Cloudchaser> sounds like bad cd drive maybe
[03:58] <homer> and they both do that
[03:58] <homer> :\
[03:58] <Cloudchaser> hmmm
[03:58] <homer> maybe it's my mobo
[03:58] <diego> have you ran memtest86?
[03:58] <homer> is that on the CD?
[03:58] <diego> i think so
[03:58] <homer> i'll try
[03:59] <K-otiK> is there something i can use to encrypt  files on my computer, just in case of a local compromise?
[03:59] <homer> Could not find kernal image: memtest86
[03:59] <Riddell> K-otiK: gpg
[04:00] <Cloudchaser> hi neighborlee ;)
[04:00] <neighborlee> I mean not 100% but stilll LOL
[04:00] <neighborlee> hi cloud!!!!
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> i'm a happy convert
[04:01] <neighborlee> I have a bit of a question for anyone actually and here it is...
[04:01] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, heh rad!!!
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> no more redhat for me!
[04:01] <neighborlee> LOL
[04:01] <neighborlee> you go girl!
[04:01] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, youll love ubuntu I think..
[04:01] <neighborlee> I sure do and you know how pick I am <G>
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> your questions are usually over my head but i'm sure someone here could answer it
[04:01] <neighborlee> picky
[04:02] <neighborlee> heh np at all
[04:02] <diego> homer: if you wish to continue with memtest86 just put memtest86 on a floppy. inconvenient but still...
[04:02] <neighborlee> I just did synaptic > upgrade..but i'm wondering if there are possibly security fixes I've missed by not doing dist-upgrade instead ???
[04:02] <neighborlee> I chosen upgrade instead as it sounded 'safer' <G>
[04:02] <neighborlee> chose
[04:03] <farruinn> neighborlee: just doing an upgrade would have gotten security fixes if there were any
[04:03] <neighborlee> sigh I dunno..the whole upgrade vs dist-upgrade is rather convoluted in its explanation if you ask me <<
[04:04] <neighborlee> farruinn, ok
[04:04] <neighborlee> and I did man apt-get and i'm still not sure it makes sense LOL
[04:05] <farruinn> dist-upgrade is really for upgrading to a new release
[04:05] <farruinn> e.g. warty to hoary
[04:05] <miausX> hum... no
[04:06] <miausX> dist-upgrade == upgrade (but if it should install new packages, it installs them)
[04:06] <miausX> upgrade == wel... upgrade but DON'T install any new packages
[04:06] <scmason> Is hoary available yet?
[04:06] <farruinn> right, but if you're just doing an update every few days I don't see why you would be doing a dist-upgrade
[04:07] <farruinn> scmason: hoary is the unstable development version
[04:07] <neighborlee> well but its more complex than even that..dist-upgrade upgrades what it needs to and overrides apps that aren't considered important if there are conflicts....so to me its sketchy as to what kind of system you are left with ??
[04:07] <miausX> farruinn, well... maybe a broken dependencie cause a new package, or apt needs to install/deinstall something :)
[04:08] <miausX> it takes the same time, so... why should you use upgrade? :)
[04:08] <neighborlee> yeah so for what i've seen..upgrade is far safer but i'm not sure at what cost to not having a completely updated system
[04:08] <miausX> neighborlee, you can use dist-upgrade, I use it in woody, sarge, ubuntu... etc etc... no problems :)
[04:09] <neighborlee> well like I say..in synaptic it tells you that
[04:09] <neighborlee> during the process..if it detects conflicts..
[04:09] <huttan> where do i set X-permissions in ubuntu?
[04:09] <neighborlee> that it willl upgrade first what its 'important' and leave the rest
[04:09] <farruinn> I think I would try upgrade first, then if there were packages being held back I would investigate why these packages are being held back
[04:09] <neighborlee> so to me thast sketchy at best
[04:09] <miausX> :)
[04:09] <miausX> O.o!!
[04:09] <neighborlee> shrug so I just used 'default' method which is upgrade
[04:09] <huttan> I cant run X :1 as a normal user, says im not authorized
[04:10] <miausX> oh my god... 4:09 am...!!
[04:10] <neighborlee> woah
[04:10] <miausX> time to slepp a bit :D
[04:10] <farruinn> huttan, are you using gdmflexiserver?
[04:10] <neighborlee> yup
[04:10] <miausX> sleep*
[04:10] <neighborlee> cu l8r
[04:10] <Striss> I just setup TV-Out in ubuntu, it works but now my sound doesnt work...anybody have an idea what might have happened?
[04:10] <miausX> see you later :D
[04:10] <huttan> farruinn, no, i dont like it
[04:10] <huttan> farruinn, it wont autologin, i just want a new X screen from where i can run cedega and stuff, something i can just shut down easy w/o it affecting this one
[04:12] <Hikaru79> Anyone in here well-acquainted with Java's Swing GUI? =/
[04:12] <farruinn> hmm, I don't know if this is a result of me installing xnest, but I have Applications>System Tools>New Login which opens a new login on vt8
[04:13] <scmason> I am
[04:13] <scmason> swing that is
[04:13] <Hikaru79> scmason, can you answer a few questions for me? =)
[04:13] <scmason> maybe, i will try
[04:13] <Hikaru79> ^ ^ Can I PM?
[04:13] <scmason> ??
[04:14] <Hikaru79> Like, can I PM you?
[04:14] <stuNNed> ok the way evolution handles pgp is pissing me off nothing like thunderbird
[04:14] <farruinn> scmason: as in /msg
[04:14] <scmason> yes
[04:16] <Striss> Does anybody know why enabling TV-Out would break my audio?
[04:19] <littlepenguin> Survey: list the wm/de you use
[04:20] <farruinn> atm, metacity/gnome
[04:20] <farruinn> would like to try something else however
[04:20] <littlepenguin> xfce/xfwm
[04:21] <littlepenguin> shameless plug: try xfce! i think it's great as a de. good looks, lightweight, extendable
[04:21] <farruinn> I was using xfwm with gnome, but it would take so long to load for some reaso
[04:21] <farruinn> much much longer than logging into xfce
[04:21] <scoon> farruinn, openbox is nice with gnome as well.
[04:22] <farruinn> does that do the tab thing like fluxbox?
[04:22] <scoon> farruinn, no
[04:22] <farruinn> I like fluxbox, but it's not in warty
[04:22] <scoon> farruinn, flux is probably easy enough to compile on your own
[04:22] <gen> you can use flux in warty..
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> flux is the best
[04:22] <littlepenguin> because you're loading nautilus, plus everything else with gnome. xfce is loading just xfce. fluxbox is in the apt universe repository
[04:22] <farruinn> aaah, must be another package that's not compiled for ppc
[04:22] <farruinn> all of kde is like that and I've run into others such as grip
[04:23] <paulproteus> farruinn: No, Universe is available for powerpc.
[04:23] <paulproteus> I'm using Universe packages on my iBook G4.
[04:23] <zenlunatic> Does iso have gnome 2.8?
[04:23] <farruinn> paulproteus: right, but some things are only available as source for ppc
[04:23] <stuNNed> zenlunatic, yes
[04:23] <paulproteus> Whatever ISO means, Ubuntu has it.
[04:23] <littlepenguin> farruinn: yes, all repositories in ubuntu are for all architectures
[04:23] <littlepenguin> ISO is a cd image
[04:24] <paulproteus> Huh, I guess you're right.  I can't seem to get fluxbox here.
[04:24] <farruinn> littlepenguin: yes, I understand that, however not all packages in the repository have been built and packaged into a .deb - some are only available as debian source package
[04:25] <farruinn> wtf, I guess I won't - it want's to remove basically all of gnome and X
[04:25] <scmason> How can I install exim (means uninstalling postfix) without breaking Ubuntu base
[04:26] <scmason> or does it really matter if I unistall Ubuntu-base?
[04:28] <Tyche> For some reason I can no longer load the change user app.  I haven't made any changes really.
[04:28] <Tyche> Just some config files for apache, postfix, etc.
[04:29] <scoon> farruinn, why not download the source
[04:29] <scoon> and install flux locally
[04:29] <farruinn> I will if I have to, but I'll give openbox a try - never used it before
[04:29] <scoon> farruinn, like so ./configure --prefix=/home/farruinn/flux && make && make check && make install
[04:30] <scoon> farruinn, openbox is nice.  I used it for almost a year.  i used it for the keybinding
[04:32] <scmason> ANy ideas on how to unistall postfix?
[04:33] <scmason> w/o breaking ubuntu-base?
[04:33] <calamari> hi
[04:34] <calamari> is there a way to view what the boot messages were?
[04:34] <scoon> calamari, try dmesg
[04:34] <scmason> dmesg
[04:35] <calamari> thanks
[04:35] <scmason> okay then, thanks all and goodnight
[04:35] <farruinn> scmason: goodnight =)
[04:37] <theHelix> I am new to Ubunto (and linux as a whole), and I was wondering if I could get some help.
[04:37] <theHelix> Ubuntu*
[04:37] <farruinn> this is the place =)
[04:37] <hazza96> Ask away
[04:38] <theHelix> I just installed it and I am trying to set up my root account. I type "sudo passwd root" and it promts me for a new password but I cant type anything in.
[04:38] <homer> how long should grub take to load
[04:38] <farruinn> theHelix: it won't show ***'s
[04:38] <farruinn> but it is working
[04:39] <farruinn> just enter the password you want and hit enter
[04:39] <theHelix> Alright I will try that
[04:39] <hazza96> why is the root account disabled anyway?
[04:40] <hazza96> what was the reason behind that?
[04:40] <farruinn> hazza96: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo discusses that in some depth
[04:40] <hazza96> ok
[04:42] <hazza96> Quote "even though they would rarely use it" ha ha, I am experimenting way too much for that to apply to me.
[04:42] <farruinn> well at least by having to enter sudo every time, you know that what you are about to do could have some negative effects
[04:43] <farruinn> sort of makes you think, "do I really want to do this..."
[04:44] <homer> how long does grub take to load
[04:44] <hazza96> I have done many many things that had a negative effect, all done while on a box that don't really matter.
[04:44] <hazza96> All stuff done with root I have done many times
[04:44] <homer> i waited like 10 minutes
[04:44] <joh_> the final argument is "MacOSX does it this way"
[04:45] <farruinn> translation: good for the home user =)
[04:45] <pdkl> there is a good reason to disable root
[04:46] <pdkl> i very  much agree with doing it
[04:46] <homer> should grub take a long time to load
[04:47] <pdkl> as linux is becoming more mainstream, you have to protection from users screwing up the system.  its fine they can screw their account, but not the compelete system
[04:47] <pdkl> plus if they mess it up bad enough (the user account preference file) they can always recreate the account
[04:47] <pdkl> power users arent going to have a problem enabling root
[04:47] <hazza96> so the design of ubuntu is the complete opposite of Lindows
[04:47] <hazza96> :)
[04:48] <farruinn> hahah, yes, thankfully so
[04:49] <Amaranth> homer: grub? should have come up before you could even boot to linux
[04:49] <Amaranth> and it should have automatically started booting into linux after 2 seconds
[04:49] <amathis> grub is icky IMHO
[04:52] <hazza96> I have been using Mandrake for years, now that that I am trialing ubuntu I realise how much MDK has shielded me from some of the internals
[04:55] <K-otiK> does anyone wanna give me some insite on, this exploit i just ran? you might find it interesting
[04:56] <K-otiK> oops
[04:56] <K-otiK> wrong server
[04:57] <Striss> my /dev/dsp seems to have dissapeared...how do i fix this?
[04:57] <farruinn> someone know a way I can update the menu in gnome without logging out/in?
[05:01] <|QuaD-> have the fast boot times been put through to hoary yet?
[05:02] <Quest-Master> I hope they can give Ubuntu GRUB a graphical interface like Suse and Mandrake have
[05:03] <Striss> can anybody help me repair my sound? it says /dev/dsp no such file
[05:03] <scmason> you can replace your grub screen
[05:06] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: that will just make it go slower... is it really necessary?
[05:06] <Striss> what does /dev/dsp link to in ubuntu?
[05:07] <bancus> How can I tell my system to use UTF-8 as the default encoding?
[05:08] <Striss> anybody, could you check what /dev/dsp links to?
[05:09] <MobyTurbo> Striss, it's not a link here
[05:09] <Striss> damn
[05:09] <Striss> i really need to find out how to get my /dev/dsp back
[05:09] <Quest-Master> |QuaD-: The newbies desire it.
[05:09] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:09] <Quest-Master> I don't really have a problem with it, but a lot of people ask me about it
[05:10] <MobyTurbo> Striss, cd /dev ; sudo sh /MAKEDEV dsp
[05:10] <Striss> really? cool i'll try that
[05:10] <MobyTurbo> oops, make that ./MAKEDEV
[05:10] <Striss> k
[05:10] <Striss> thanks
[05:10] <Striss> brb
[05:11] <Striss> "don't know how to make device dsp"
[05:12] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: it is just a slowdone... i would rather a 20 second bootime wiht no graphical grub
[05:12] <MobyTurbo> Striss, what does "grep dsp MAKEDEV" show you?
[05:12] <|QuaD-> then a 120 second one wiht
[05:15] <sul> ehm.. is anyone having problems with package indices on archive.ubuntu.com not verifying properly?
[05:15] <MobyTurbo> sul, I just apt-get updated  a few minutes ago and it worked.
[05:15] <bpd1069> yes...  kdelibs-data%3a or something
[05:16] <bpd1069> sul: that was directed to you
[05:16] <ficusplanet> I'm considering buying an IBM X40.  What are my options for installing Ubuntu on it (it has no optical drive)?
[05:17] <sul> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:17] <sul> MobyTurbo: are you using Hoary or Warty?
[05:17] <sul> MobyTurbo: are you using Hoary or Warty?
[05:17] <MobyTurbo> sorry, bad reflexes with ^W. Warty
[05:17] <sul> ah :]
[05:17] <sul> oh ok.. someone here with Hoary that can try a apt-get update for me?
[05:18] <MobyTurbo> ^W used to delete words in xchat before they made it GNOME2 HIG compatable.
[05:18] <bpd1069> sul:k
[05:18] <|QuaD-> sul: what is wrong with your apt-get update
[05:18] <ficusplanet> sul, works for me
[05:18] <Striss> MobyTurbo, just a sec, i'll let you know what the greb did
[05:18] <|QuaD-> mine works fine
[05:18] <sul> |QuaD-: see above
[05:18] <|QuaD-> sul: how long have you been using hoary
[05:18] <sul> ficusplanet: can you md5sum your /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ?
[05:18] <Striss2> MobyTurbo, this is what came from grep...
[05:19] <sul> |QuaD-: since late november, something like that
[05:19] <Striss2> makedev dsp        c $major  3 $audio
[05:19] <ficusplanet> sul, 5f942e58b054394b27ee24cf49076bdb  /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[05:19] <Striss2> makedev dsp1       c $major 19 $audio
[05:19] <Striss2> and so on
[05:19] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, same as here.
[05:19] <sul> ficusplanet: weird same as mine, yet I get this at apt-get update:
[05:19] <sul> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:19] <Striss2> hmm
[05:20] <Striss2> why the heck is my /dev/dsp not there anymore, i dont understand
[05:20] <Striss2> it was working fine just a few hours ago
[05:20] <|QuaD-> sul: some came in witht hat message on warty when trying to use an unsupported repo... i don't remember what the answer was though
[05:20] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, maybe it's a udev problem??
[05:20] <Striss2> udev?
[05:20] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, take a look at the appropriate lines in dmesg
[05:20] <Striss2> k
[05:20] <SirFunk> anyone here very familiar w/ the macintosh therm drivers?
[05:21] <sul> pretty bad, cause something went wrong in the last dist-upgrade and Gnome isn't working properly, I don't get any menus and panel stuff, so I'm stuck in console
[05:21] <Striss2> what should i be looking for in dmesg
[05:21] <SirFunk> or kernel dev in general i guess
[05:21] <SirFunk> ?
[05:21] <|QuaD-> sul: i had that for a while too
[05:21] <sul> |QuaD-: I'm using the one on archive.ubuntu.com
[05:21] <|QuaD-> do you have kdelibs installed?
[05:21] <sul> no
[05:21] <|QuaD-> u sure?
[05:21] <|QuaD-> do a dpkg -l | grep kde
[05:22] <sul> |QuaD-: yeah, nothing
[05:22] <|QuaD-> hmm, well that was my problem
[05:22] <calamari> hmm.. can I find cpu speed someplace?
[05:22] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, best I can tell you is the name of your card.
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> or rather, its chipset
[05:23] <calamari> nm.. k6/2 333 .. very slow hehe
[05:23] <|QuaD-> sul: what errors were you having when you upgraded (be for this one)
[05:23] <|QuaD-> *before
[05:26] <sul> |QuaD-: at dist upgrade I just get warned that I'm trying to install packages that cannot be verified
[05:26] <|QuaD-> hm, i never got that one
[05:26] <|QuaD-> when did you start getting that error?
[05:26] <sul> ok.. works now.. I just cleaned out /var/lib/apt/lists
[05:27] <sul> just tonight
[05:27] <sul> must be a problem with the way apt-get verifies the up-to-dateness of the lists...
[05:27] <sul> that or archive.ubuntu.com just got compromised
[05:27] <sul> :]
[05:28] <farruinn> sul, do you mean the gpg signing?
[05:28] <Se7h> wooo
[05:28] <Se7h> major updates made
[05:28] <sul> farruinn: well the gpg signing didnt work, but that was probably due to corrupt local copies of lists.. apt-get never tried regetting them seemed to think they were ok
[05:29] <farruinn> ah, I see
[05:29] <sul> now if I could just get my mad broken proxy to stay up long enough for me to dist-upgrade.... the person who wrote polipo should be hung
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:32] <|QuaD-> sul: i actually have been doing updates a lot, just not upgrades... i don't have time to fix it if it breaks, so don't want to break it right now
[05:32] <calamari> is there any sort of internet connection sharing on ubuntu?
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell v4.10 is warty warthog, whats the next version gonna be?
[05:34] <sul> |QuaD-: dist-upgrade rarely breaks anything on my system.. and when that happens subsequent upgrades usually fix it for me..
[05:34] <zenlunatic> Does ubuntu auto-detect hardware
[05:34] <amathis> zenlunatic: yea
[05:34] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: 5.04 for april 2005
[05:34] <amathis> very well also.
[05:35] <sul> |QuaD-: my friend however is running Fedora Core 2, and he says that freetype support has gotten broken twice when he's been upgrading.. and he has had to fiddle around himself to get it working
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: whats its name gonna be?
[05:35] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: hoary hedgehog
[05:35] <farruinn> it's all on the ubuntu website
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: then, i heard many ppl say on the forums that they have tried out hoary. how come?
[05:36] <|QuaD-> freetype?
[05:36] <farruinn> it is the current development release
[05:36] <farruinn> so people are testing it
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: then can i get it?
[05:37] <farruinn> yeah, but it's the _unstable_ development branch - not really recommended unless you know what you're doing
[05:37] <diego> da_bon_bon: ubuntu is OPEN...no one's stopping you
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: how do i get it?
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> diego: ^
[05:37] <diego> da_bon_bon: there are guides either on the forums or on the wiki (or both)
[05:38] <da_bon_bon> diego: can u please give me the links to the guides?
[05:38] <calamari> what keys do I press for scrollback in a text console?
[05:38] <farruinn> ctrl-shift-pageup
[05:38] <Striss2> is there an audio configuration app with Ubuntu?
[05:39] <sul> |QuaD-: yeah freetype is a font collection
[05:39] <calamari> farruinn: that just beeps and prints a ~
[05:39] <diego> da_bon_bon: if you upgrade to hoary, you're going to need to know how to look through the forums for support purposes...
[05:40] <sul> |QuaD-: err.. font library even..
[05:40] <farruinn> calamari: oh wow you're right - that always worked in debian for me
[05:40] <sul> well.. a reboot.. thanks for the help guys
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> diego: i am surfing the forums, but i cant find any link for hoary. can u pls help me out, if it isnt too muchj trouble?
[05:40] <|QuaD-> sul: ahh ok
[05:41] <diego> da_bon_bon: you don't download a hoary install disc (yet), if that's what you're looking for
[05:41] <da_bon_bon> diego: oh that was what i was looking for. then how do i get hoary?
[05:42] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: do you have warty installed already?
[05:42] <calamari> bbiam
[05:42] <diego> da_bon_bon: you use hoary repositories and dist-upgrade
[05:42] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: i am waiting for the shipit cds to arrive from 2 months
[05:42] <diego> or maybe you could use just 'upgrade', i dunno
[05:42] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: you need to have warty installed first, then you may upgrade to hoary
[05:43] <diego> ohhh..oops, got ahead of myself
[05:43] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: oh ok.
[05:43] <diego> da_bon_bon: yeah, there's no hoary install discs available yet to my knowledge so you need warty first
[05:44] <da_bon_bon> is there any way other than shipit to get the hoary discs? i cant download isnce i am on dialup
[05:45] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: have a friend?
[05:45] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: most people out here are windows addicts
[05:45] <farruinn> :-/
[05:45] <farruinn> did you order any livecds? You could let them borrow those - fix that problem =)
[05:46] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: if i order i386 cds, i get both live & install discs. problem is, they havent arrived yet :(
[05:47] <MobyTurbo> re
[05:47] <diego> da_bon_bon: are you in the US?
[05:48] <da_bon_bon> diego: no. India
[05:48] <zenpod> da_bon_bon has been outsourced
[05:48] <zenpod> ;)
[05:48] <diego> da_bon_bon: oh heh, I'm not mailing any that far away :D
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> diego: thats ok, i expect VERY few people will even _think_ about mailing that far
[05:50] <farruinn> can anyone suggest a better solution to midi synth than timidity?
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> zenpod: " da_bon_bon has been outsourced" what did u intend to mean by that?
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> zenpod: i am 16 yrs old and have been born in india itself :P
[05:55] <diego> da_bon_bon: i'm 16 too. w00t for 16-year olds
[05:56] <amathis> heh
[05:56] <amathis> youngins.
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> diego: yes. w00t nice to have someone of my age out here :)
[05:57] <diego> da_bon_bon: i guess you'd be interested in learning that "have been born" is considered awkward (if not incorrect) because "have been" implies it has happened many times/over an extended period of time...and i assume you were only born once.
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> amathis: 'lo there senior citizen. just joking., how old r u ?
[05:57] <amathis> 20.
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> diego: i am soooo sorry i was playin yahoo pool and was typing in hurry, so the grammatical mistake
[05:58] <diego> da_bon_bon: oh no problem, just trying to help you learn the language (I come from Argentina, myself, but now I live in Texas)
[05:59] <da_bon_bon> diego: i know the language quite well, tho mistakes do happen! actually i was typing too fat
[05:59] <diego> da_bon_bon: and apparently you still are typing too 'fat' :)
[06:00] <amathis> diego: well, language is dictated by culture and lifestyle sometimes and not by textbooks, though it seems strange, English of now days is not the same as the English of old.
[06:00] <cef> MobyTurbo: sounds like me
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> diego: LOL. sorry again!
[06:00] <amathis> diego: hablas espanol?
[06:00] <cef> MobyTurbo: "Why I remember, back in the days before 1.0......"
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> amathis: i agree
[06:00] <Cloudchaser> hmm whats the difference between this irc room and #UbuntuForums?
[06:01] <farruinn> Cloudchaser: #ubuntuforums is more relaxed
[06:01] <diego> amathis: like i said a long time ago: "miausX: not actively but i can if i need to"
[06:01] <SirFunk> how do i control my powerbook cpu speed in ubuntu?
[06:01] <amathis> Cloudchaser: this is supposed to be on topic... *heh*
[06:01] <farruinn> really this channel is for support only
[06:01] <farruinn> or something like that
[06:01] <Cloudchaser> ok thank you :)
[06:03] <MobyTurbo> cef, and before my first Linux kernel I had a SysV shell account.
[06:04] <farruinn> anyone know how to search the mailing list archives?
[06:04] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, if there's no mechanism try site: with google.com
[06:05] <MobyTurbo> site:foo.com
[06:05] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: I did try site:lists.ubuntu.com midi, but didn't come with anything
[06:06] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, well, I don't know what to tell you. I subscribe to several of the mailing lists so I never have bothered with archives.
[06:06] <cef> MobyTurbo: heh.. I remember telnetting into BBS's in other countries back in '93, and the occasional server with IRC on it *grin*... BBS's... ahh them were the days
[06:06] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: I'm subscribed as well, but I only joined a few weeks ago.
[06:07] <MobyTurbo> cef, I was a BBS sysop
[06:07] <farruinn> btw, google for site:lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu comes up with "3 of about 61" - whatever that means
[06:08] <cef> MobyTurbo: same.. started using bbs's in '83, ran my own from '88 to '96 (7 lines)
[06:08] <farruinn> none of the three on the lists.ubuntu.com server
[06:08] <MobyTurbo> cef, oh yeah, you're the one who ran TBBS, right?
[06:08] <cef> MobyTurbo: yup!
[06:08] <MobyTurbo> cef, it's like deja vu all over again.
[06:08] <diego> old farts
[06:08] <cef> heh
[06:09] <gpled> ra bbs was cool.
[06:09] <MobyTurbo> I prefered Maximus.
[06:09] <gpled> wildcat was nice, but started getting expensive
[06:10] <MobyTurbo> I never liked wildcat's interface for some reason.
[06:10] <cef> gpled: yeah. that sort of shot up in price, whereas tbbs just stayed the same old expensive price
[06:10] <MobyTurbo> cef, heh
[06:10] <gpled> anyone have a fido node number?
[06:10] <cef> still, 340K of pure assembler to run 96 lines..
[06:11] <MobyTurbo> cef, Maximus 1.x came with source, 2.0 was free as in beer but did not include source. 3.0 was originally like that but Scott gave out the source once BBSsing died.
[06:11] <MobyTurbo> cef, TBBS was definitely without peer for multiple lines on a single computer, though Maximus did pretty well under OS/2 and many BBSs could run a couple of lines with Desqview-386.
[06:11] <MobyTurbo> or Linux.
[06:12] <cef> MobyTurbo: as for deja vu, if I'm not mistaken, "same shit, different channel" (ala same convo previously on #debian)
[06:12] <MobyTurbo> (DOSEMU can make you run DOS BBSs under Linux quite well.)
[06:12] <MobyTurbo> cef, true. :-)
[06:12] <diego> is it time to find a more contemporary channel to idle in?
[06:12] <MobyTurbo> DOSEMU even has FOSSIL emulation as part of the package.
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> diego, DOSEMU is in universal
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> er, universe
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> there's also dosbox, better for some games.
[06:13] <cef> MobyTurbo: heh.. I've noticed that one of the users in the usergroup I'm president of is David Nugent.. Mr X00..
[06:14] <MobyTurbo> cef, no, he was Mr BNU. Someone else did x00
[06:14] <Cloudchaser> web pages are still loading very slowly in firefox
[06:14] <Cloudchaser> even after turning off the ipv6
[06:14] <cef> MobyTurbo: ahh yes, that's the one.. wonder if he's hacking on dosemu...? *grin*
[06:15] <diego> how much speed increase do you really get by turning off ipv6?
[06:15] <MobyTurbo> cef, is the usergroup you're talking about a LUG?
[06:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm not sure i get any
[06:15] <cef> MobyTurbo: yup. Linux Users of Victoria. It was weird seeing his name on our mailing lists.. *grin*
[06:15] <MobyTurbo> diego, it depends upon the program
[06:15] <Cloudchaser> but i'm not real happy it takes so long to load pages
[06:16] <diego> s/$/in Firefox/
[06:16] <MobyTurbo> cef, I'm curious who wrote DOSEMU's FOSSIL driver too.
[06:16] <MobyTurbo> diego, you can disable ipv6 in Firefox's about:config
[06:16] <diego> let me try again from the beginning
[06:17] <diego> how much speed increase can i expect to get by turning off ipv6 in Firefox?
[06:17] <MobyTurbo> diego, how slow are your DNS lookups? That's what it speeds up.
[06:17] <diego> MobyTurbo: are DNS lookups cached?
[06:18] <MobyTurbo> diego, per session I believe, I could be wrong.
[06:18] <diego> hmm
[06:18] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: I think you're right
[06:18] <diego> i guess they're pretty quick but significantly slower than actually loading most pages
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> hmmm i did change it but when i went to look at it now it says "false"
[06:19] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, that's odd. It works here(tm)
[06:19] <SirFunk> anyone here using ubuntu ppc on a laptop?
[06:19] <gpled> if knoppix works, should ubuntu work?  talking about xwindow.
[06:19] <Cloudchaser> do i have to save it or anything? i did the change back when i installed ubuntu from the how-to
[06:19] <jbroome> theoretically, yes
[06:20] <MobyTurbo> gpled, warty runs a Debian-patched XFree86 4.3, Hoary runs Xorg (but you shouldn't run it lately if you value your sanity). I don't know what knoppix runs nowadays, assuiming it uses Debian's latest it is the same as Ubuntu warty.
[06:20] <Cloudchaser> wow its even slower now
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> in fact it still hasn't loaded the page
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> hmm
[06:21] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, getting rid of ipv6 shouldn't ever slow things down.
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> i can't seem to get to any web pages at the moment
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> ah there we go
[06:21] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, unless you're going to a ipv6-only site. :-)
[06:22] <oak> wow...amazing once that wait disappears
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> it seems to be working now
[06:23] <Cloudchaser> doesn't seem to be faster though
[06:23] <MobyTurbo> the wait used to be worse, especially on *BSD.
[06:24] <MobyTurbo> (this seems to have been fixed on that platform.)
[06:26] <Cloudchaser> in general things seem to load ok, guess the ones tht don't are just slow sites
[06:27] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, it won't speed up all sites, just those that are ipv6 enabled while you're only using ipv4.
[06:28] <Cloudchaser> i have no idea what i'm using ;) my banking site is one thats slow
[06:28] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, if you have no idea what you're using it's ipv4.
[06:33] <gpled> hmmm, this does not sound good.  on install, being asked to run aptitude :(
[06:34] <MrE> How do I fall back to single user mode (out of X)?
[06:34] <MobyTurbo> gpled, aptitude is a piece of cake compared to dselect.
[06:35] <MobyTurbo> MrE, # /sbin/telinit 1
[06:35] <MrE> MobyTurbo, Thanks.
[06:39] <gpled> what should i do in aptitude? want to finish the install
[06:41] <farruinn> gpled, that happened to me once
[06:41] <gpled> wonder what broke.  every other install just worked
[06:41] <farruinn> I quit aptitude and sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <farruinn> for some reason that worked
[06:41] <farruinn> gpled, this is a fresh install from the disc?
[06:41] <gpled> down load cd. 4.10
[06:42] <gpled> fresh install
[06:42] <farruinn> yeah, that's what I was doing too
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> also apt-get install x-window-system-core
[06:42] <farruinn> for some reason it didn't want to install OOo
[06:43] <raghu> how to install ubuntu on harddisk...
[06:43] <raghu> i have live cd
[06:43] <farruinn> do you have the install cd as wel?
[06:43] <farruinn> the livecd isn't for installation, there's a separate disc for that
[06:46] <raghu> farruinn: is  it free?
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> it is
[06:46] <farruinn> yup, just go to the downloads section of the website
[06:46] <raghu> farruinn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[06:48] <gpled> Tsjoklat: apt-get install x-window-system-core seems to help a lot. got x up.
[06:48] <gpled> farruinn: doing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop now
[06:49] <Se7h> root@devil:/home/seth # chown -R root:scr IBMJava2-142/
[06:49] <Se7h> chown: `root:scr': invalid group
[06:49] <Se7h> how come ?
[06:50] <housetier> src maybe?
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> gpled :)
[06:50] <Se7h> ups
[06:50] <Se7h> housetier ;P
[06:50] <housetier> SouRCe not SCoRe
[06:50] <Se7h> i know
[06:50] <Se7h> dislexic
[06:50] <gpled> how did you guys figure this out?
[06:50] <housetier> Dyslexics have more fnu!
[06:51] <gpled> also, are you guys using amd cpu?
[06:51] <Se7h> i am
[06:51] <gpled> Se7h: any install trouble?
[06:51] <Se7h> no
[06:52] <Se7h> not at all
[06:52] <Se7h> Linux devil <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 #1 Thu Nov 18 13:24:36 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:52] <Se7h> ;)
[06:52] <farruinn> gpled: I'm on ppc. When the install gave me trouble I just installed the metapackages I knew of
[06:52] <Se7h> its flying baby
[06:52] <Se7h> what seems to be the problem btw ?
[06:53] <gpled> Tsjoklat: farruinn:  thanks, you guys got my install going!
[06:55] <jmhodges> ok, where do bug reports for universe go?
[06:55] <jmhodges> i know its "not supported"
[06:55] <jmhodges> but these mono things must have an upstream somewhere..
[06:57] <Tsjoklat> gpled it's girl but your welcome anyways
[06:58] <calamari_> hi
[06:59] <calamari_> I installed ubuntu on a slow computer.. I know there was a way to speed up Gnome, but I can't remember where in gconf it is
[07:00] <mbp__> calamari_: what about it?
[07:00] <farruinn> calamari_: try getting rid of as many applets as possible, such as show desktop, trash applet, volume control, etc
[07:00] <MobyTurbo> jmhodges, check out the (Debian) maintainer's email shown by "apt-cache show foo"
[07:00] <mbp__> you can turn off font antialiasing maybe?
[07:00] <calamari_> mbp: there was a way to disable the eye candy
[07:00] <jmhodges> MobyTurbo: thanks
[07:00] <mbp__> or use a very simple theme?
[07:00] <mbp__> which candy?
[07:00] <calamari_> like the animations
[07:01] <mbp__> of window opening/closing?
[07:01] <calamari_> and outline drag instead
[07:02] <mbp__> calamari_: look under apps/metacity
[07:02] <mbp__> oh
[07:02] <mbp__> apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources
[07:02] <calamari_> thanks, thats it! :)
[07:02] <gpled> gclctoll seems to be stuck in synapic.  how should i remove it?
[07:03] <mbp__> ooh, i didn't know there was a single setting
[07:03] <mbp__> that's neat
[07:03] <mbp__> calamari_: apparnetly you need to run "metacity-message restart" to make it take effect
[07:03] <mbp__> hey, that rocks
[07:03] <gpled> gcaltool.  sorry, looking at two computers
[07:03] <mbp__> my machine's graphics card is pretty slow without binary carp
[07:05] <neighborlee> alert alert <G>..if you'd like to see morrowind games come to linux there seems to be a post on a forum at morrowinds site mentioning someone brought this up..not sure who is doing this but it can't hurt to ( since linux gaming is getting much stronger meaning we have pull now ) go there and say yes I want to see this game here in linux..very important FYI!!!!!
[07:15] <Tyche> I just don't understand. I have made any changes really and now my users and groups will not ope for me to add or make changes. Looks like Synaptic iwll not either.
[07:18] <Se7h><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #SCT
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[07:18] <Se7h> isn't this too much ?
[07:19] <Se7h> shit
[07:19] <Se7h> wrong paste
[07:19] <housetier> indeedy-doo
[07:19] <Se7h> PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[07:19] <Se7h> better
[07:20] <Se7h> isn't this too much ?
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> hey bborkk
[07:20] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Hiya.
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> bborkk how are things working out for you?
[07:21] <bborkk> Well, the Evolution launcher in the panel doesn't work, but I'm not too worried about that.  Otherwise, I'm really trying to get ACPI sleep/suspend/hibernate working before I take off for a month of traveling.
[07:21] <housetier> Se7h that looks ok to me
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> bborkk did you check the wiki and/or forum pages about that matter?
[07:22] <bborkk> From everything I've read, sleep (s3) should work on my IBM Thinkpad T42p, but it's not working.
[07:23] <bborkk> I've been doing a lot of reading about ibm-acpi.  I've also read most everything related to this on Ubuntu wiki, I think.
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> bborkk I have to say I have no idea what might help your situation
[07:23] <bborkk> Me either.  :)
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> and the forum?
[07:23] <Se7h> housetier hmmkay
[07:24] <bborkk> I haven't searched the forum completely yet.  I was going to do that next.
[07:24] <Se7h> im trying to put java to work
[07:24] <Se7h> 4486 frames in 5.0 seconds = 897.200 FPS
[07:24] <Se7h> gforce4
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> bborkk the answer may be right here.. it just depends on timezones and who is awake or not
[07:27] <housetier> Se7h there is a package named "java-package" that might help creating a .deb which you then can install
[07:27] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: True.  I try to straddle the EDT and GMT turnover.
[07:27] <bborkk> Is there any search functionality on the forums?  I don't see it.
[07:27] <bborkk> Never mind.  I see it.
[07:27] <Se7h> housetier where?
[07:27] <Se7h> not in the repository i bet
[07:29] <bborkk> Anyone out there with an IBM T42p with suspend, sleep, and/or hibernate working?
[07:31] <bborkk> Alternatively, is there an easy way to switch to APM from ACPI?
[07:31] <housetier> Se7h http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/j/java-package/
[07:34] <Se7h>  deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free
[07:34] <Se7h> guess that'll make the work
[07:35] <neighborlee> hey guys what seems to be most used/best IM for linux ..gaim ?
[07:36] <|QuaD-> gaim is most popular
[07:36] <|QuaD-> kopete is pretty nice too
[07:36] <|QuaD-> some like it better
[07:37] <neighborlee> is there a gnome equiv ?
[07:37] <neighborlee> wait dont matter..i've got qt installed
[07:37] <Se7h> well
[07:38] <Se7h> Gaim support most of IM protocols
[07:38] <neighborlee> yeah true it does
[07:38] <housetier> neighborlee I use bitlbee for all my IM needs
[07:38] <Se7h> but if u want some "geek" msn client
[07:38] <Se7h> i would suggest dMSN that changed name to Mercury
[07:39] <housetier> although bitlbee only works with AnyIrcClient
[07:39] <neighborlee> hmm i'd forgotten about anyircclient ;-)...
[07:39] <neighborlee> ok kewl ill consider these
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> I installed KDE on Ubuntu (for Testing perposes) - and now my sound is all screwed up!
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> its all staticy
[07:43] <neighborlee> :( I hope someone here can help as i've been using gnome2.8 ever since booting ubuntu albeit kde is also very nice...
[07:44] <neighborlee> hmmm i've 'heard' that arts came be screwey but thats a wild guess off top of my head
[07:44] <neighborlee> might not apply to latest kde shrug
[07:44] <RuffianSoldier> Well - the latest KDE just ruined my sound in Ubuntu
[07:44] <neighborlee> if it does..I think you can disable it ? under kde control > sound or something..
[07:44] <RuffianSoldier> Anyway I can fix that?
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> neighborlee - its messed up in Gnome also
[07:45] <neighborlee> hmm well its your sound card then very likely
[07:45] <neighborlee> which one ?
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> onboard
[07:45] <Stew2> I deleted my xfree86config-4 file. Is there an app I can run to recreate it? I thought, it's just a config file.
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> Stew2 - here - type this
[07:45] <neighborlee> Stew2, xf86config < I think is what its called
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:46] <RuffianSoldier> that will reconfigure it (And also write a new Config file)
[07:46] <neighborlee> yes what ruffian just said
[07:46] <RuffianSoldier> anyone have any ideas on my sound problem?
[07:47] <neighborlee> RuffianSolider: you could check the alsa list for that card to verify its supported
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[07:47] <neighborlee> alsasound.org or whatever the page is...google it
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> umm - its not like it wasnt ever working
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> it is supported
[07:47] <neighborlee> http://www.alsa-project.org/
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> because its VIA - and I watched a DVD in Ubuntu
[07:47] <neighborlee> but if its also not working in gnome something is def. wrong
[07:48] <neighborlee> that or you just need to reboot ..have you been 'up ' long ?
[07:48] <RuffianSoldier> no
[07:48] <RuffianSoldier> I rebooted 4 times today
[07:48] <neighborlee> you could try restarting sound server if only I remembered how..that 'might' fix it ..shrug
[07:48] <RuffianSoldier> and when sound plays - its gross static
[07:49] <neighborlee> do you have XP home/pro and does it work there okay?
[07:49] <neighborlee> or whatever ;-)
[07:49] <RuffianSoldier> it works great in Win2k - BeatrIX and SUSE
[07:49] <Stew2> I tried xf86config and the dpkg command. Neither creates a new /etc/X11/xfree86config-4 file
[07:50] <Stew2> How do I recreate it? When I ran xf86config, it 'said' it recreated one.
[07:50] <neighborlee> its called XF86config-4 or something
[07:50] <Stew2> Do I have to run xf86config as root?
[07:50] <neighborlee> XF86Config-4
[07:50] <Stew2> neighborle Yeah, that's the file I deleted.
[07:50] <neighborlee> ic
[07:50] <RuffianSoldier> neighborlee - it could be a conflict
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier>  Gnome uses the ESD sound server, and KDE ARTSD
[07:51] <Stew2> I had the same problem with FC3. "The color depth 24 is not supported (ati)"
[07:51] <neighborlee> ok has it 'ever' worked in ubuntu without scratchiness ?
[07:51] <Stew2> But I changed the color depth to 16 and it worked. This one I changed to 16 and it said that wasn't supported by the driver either. What gives?
[07:52] <neighborlee> oh brother..ati stuff..i've no idea about that sorry..nvidia here ;(
[07:52] <Stew2> yeah, sucks.
[07:52] <Stew2> Okay well, bye.
[07:53] <neighborlee> sigh
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> ATI owns
[07:53] <calc> except for the whole no drivers bit
[07:53] <calc> on amd64 and ppc
[07:57] <silentrage> Does anyone know What kernel version Ubuntu is running and what the apt-get command is to get the latest kernel source?
[07:58] <|QuaD-> silentrage: warty or hoary?
[07:58] <silentrage> The CD edition. I believe that's warty, right?
[07:58] <|QuaD-> yeah
[07:59] <|QuaD-> let me look
[07:59] <|QuaD-> (you can just do a uname -r
[07:59] <|QuaD-> i believe version 2.6
[07:59] <|QuaD-> now you want the latest kernel, or kernel source?
[07:59] <calc> well its 2.6 something <IP_ADDRESS> iirc
[07:59] <JanC> btw: there was a security update for the kernel yesterday
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> brv
[07:59] <calc> hoary is at 2.6.9
[08:00] <silentrage> <IP_ADDRESS>-4-686
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: nope
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: 2.9.x
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: thouhg i am still running 2.8
[08:00] <calc> |QuaD-: kernel 2.9.x ? wow i want some future stuff
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: you are right
[08:00] <|QuaD-> haha
[08:00] <|QuaD-> i am a moron
[08:00] <calc> :)
[08:00] <silentrage> I'm looking for the source. I'm trying to install drivers for a linksys wpc11 ver.4
[08:00] <calc> you even told him how to get the kernel version then confused it with gnome 2.9.2 ;)
[08:00] <ironwolf> anyone here using rsync to push data from A->B ?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> silentrage: apt-cache search kernel-source
[08:01] <|QuaD-> find your kernel
[08:01] <|QuaD-> apt-get install that package
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> can someone help me with a sound problem?
[08:01] <silentrage> It seems the source with apt-get only goes up to 2.6.7
[08:02] <ironwolf> rync keeps erroring with "no such file or directory" when I push from A -> B, looking at /var/log/syslog on B that's running rsync --daemon
[08:02] <TTilus> You can fetch if from kernel.org too
[08:03] <JanC> silentrage : it's linux-source, not kernel-source
[08:03] <TTilus> ironwolf: propably then there is "no such file or directory" which rsync is expecting to see on its command line
[08:03] <ironwolf> does rsync not create directories on the destination?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> I installed KDE to test the latest version - then I realized the sound is all messed up (Rapid clicking) - I thought it was KDE's problem - and went back to Gnome - and the sound is still messed up!
[08:04] <TTilus> ironwolf: try?
[08:04] <silentrage> ahhh there it is
[08:04] <JanC> :-)
[08:04] <ironwolf> TTilus: I've tried, it starts the rsync from A->B, A thinks it's working, B's /var/log/syslog is giving errors of "no such file or directory"
[08:04] <ficusplanet> Does anybody know if it's possible to use a card other than the airport extreme in the newest ibooks?  Could I use an older/linux-compatible airport card?
[08:04] <silentrage> Thanks TTilus
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> can someone help me with this sound problem?
[08:09] <TTilus> silentrage: just remember to take the kernel config you use as your starting point from kernel-source deb
[08:52] <calamari_> bbl.. restarting my connection for the full 4 hrs
[09:05] <ironwolf> welcome rookie :)
[09:06] <Rookie> hello ironwolf
[09:08] <UROD> i am durak
[09:11] <lizdeika> yesterday upgraded hoary and gnome is in unusable state :(
[09:15] <|QuaD|> lizdeika: thats why hoary is labeled unstable
[09:15] <|QuaD|> do you have kdelibs on your system (they might have been installed as a dependency)?
[09:15] <lizdeika> i know but that is very unstable
[09:15] <|QuaD|> lizdeika: not true
[09:16] <|QuaD|> it has its problems
[09:16] <|QuaD|> what is your problem, maybe we can help you out
[09:16] <lizdeika> i think some kde packages are left after i tried to install k3b(no lick)
[09:16] <lizdeika> *luck
[09:16] <|QuaD|> probably
[09:16] <|QuaD|> dpkg -l | grep kde
[09:16] <lizdeika> how kde is related to gnome ? :)
[09:17] <|QuaD|> there was a fight over some libs
[09:17] <|QuaD|> that was a problem i encountered
[09:17] <lizdeika> i have no access to that machine now
[09:17] <|QuaD|> oh
[09:18] <lizdeika> but problem is i have no menus no context menus just plain top and bottom panels
[09:18] <lizdeika> oh and "minimize all" button
[09:18] <|QuaD|> oh, thats a problem some people have that i don't think has been solved
[09:18] <lizdeika> i have deleted all gnome related files and dirs in home -> no luck
[09:21] <lizdeika> i use hoary because it detects my usb stick and i can burn cds with gnome-burner
[09:22] <|QuaD|> lizdeika: just remember that this is an unstable OS and that breaks like this are expected
[09:22] <lizdeika> and its way more accurate about what kernel modules must be loaded
[09:22] <|QuaD|> i don't think anyone has fixed that yet (though it isn't affecting me)
[09:22] <lizdeika> warty loaded everything in its way :)
[09:24] <lizdeika> well its ok just gonna wait for fixes
[09:24] <|QuaD|> :)
[09:24] <|QuaD|> i haven't upgraded in like 4 days... i hear it is breaking so i am waiting cuz i  don't have time to fix it
[09:26] <|QuaD|> and on that note... bed time
[09:27] <lizdeika> dont forget: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade :))
[09:32] <linux_mafia> who would i ask/petition to get an option set in ubuntu kernel images, in hoary anyway?
[09:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: file an enhancement request bug or mail ubuntu-devel
[09:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok thanks
[09:32] <jdub> depending on whether you think it requires discussion
[09:32] <jdub> what was the option?
[09:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, to use beagle you need extended attributes set for your fs, they are set for ext3, and now inotify is in the hoary images, no recompiles necessary, but since i use reiser, i still have to recompile, id like it set, unless it could cause grave problems, but i cant see how
[09:35] <linux_mafia> would that be an ok thing to request?
[09:39] <jdub> probably, yeah
[09:39] <linux_mafia> ok sweet, cheers
[09:39] <linux_mafia> i'll file a request
[09:47] <NaillL> hey.... where i can find win32codecs for totem???
[09:48] <NaillL> i`ve added repository universe and main..... but there was no codecs.....
[09:48] <bob2> they're not in ubuntu at all, since it's not legel todistribute them
[09:48] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:50] <NaillL> 8(...
[09:51] <NaillL> so legaly there is no way to watch movies on ubuntu???
[09:52] <thoreauputic> NaillL:  bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:55] <NaillL> ok....i`ll read
[09:55] <karlos> hi..does anyone know how to put in a command that will tell me what programs i have installed
[09:57] <Dengar> dpkg -l
[09:57] <karlos> thanks
[09:57] <Dengar> np
[10:00] <monoxide> can someone help me with my sound probles??
[10:00] <monoxide> its workin really wierd
[10:01] <monoxide> works for some things, but not for others.
[10:01] <monoxide> works for some things in some cases
[10:01] <NaillL> i have that problem
[10:01] <monoxide> it only seems to work in CD Player, and only from one of my cd drives
[10:02] <NaillL> it`s because of 2 modules audio have been loaded into kernel
[10:02] <NaillL> but problems with CD i dont have
[10:02] <NaillL> oss & alsa conflicts
[10:03] <monoxide> so how would i fix it?
[10:03] <monoxide> i can easy just use one cd drive for music
[10:04] <NaillL> i just play with mixer settings.... try this
[10:05] <monoxide> i have, i have put everything on max and still nothing
[10:05] <NaillL> not max....
[10:05] <NaillL> =)
[10:05] <NaillL> try to disable somthinf... linein ... aux
[10:05] <monoxide> disable=mute?
[10:06] <NaillL> and you`ll need also to switch between devices in mixer settings.....
[10:06] <NaillL> yep
[10:07] <NaillL> but you just need not to load some modules
[10:07] <NaillL> is there anybody knows how?
[10:08] <monoxide> how do i disable them?
[10:13] <NaillL> i don`t know 8( unfortunally.... i think its loads with initrd..... hey smbdy help!
[10:14] <NaillL> maybe /etc/modules.conf
[10:14] <thoreauputic> lsmod to see what modules are loaded, modprobe to load , rmmod to unload, /etc/modules to make them load at boot
[10:15] <NaillL> sorry... but i cant help you....in cause of lack of my desktop..
[10:15] <NaillL> but there is a default module loading.... even there is no such modules in /etc/modules
[10:15] <NaillL> it`s debian
[10:16] <NaillL> only if you compile your own kernel
[10:16] <thoreauputic> modconf controls modules I believe - I haven't used it
[10:22] <yakfisher> could anyone help me with a boot problem?
[10:23] <spiritz> maybe I can try, go ahead
[10:24] <yakfisher> Thx. I tried to resize my suse partition last night ,using qtparted
[10:24] <yakfisher> now all i get at boot is the grub propmt
[10:24] <yakfisher> prompt
[10:25] <diego> what package is `watch` a part of?
[10:26] <svenl> Mmm, any grub expert here ?
[10:26] <diego> svenl: maybe, maybe not
[10:26] <svenl> ok.
[10:26] <yakfisher> lol. no worries if not, i'll just reinstall everything
[10:27] <NaillL> dolilo!
[10:27] <svenl> I got this amd64 box (asus A8V Deluxe motherboard), did an install yesterday on a sata drive connected to the via-sata driver, and today i rebooted after having connected my old IDE drive.
[10:27] <blomberg_taf> hello
[10:28] <spiritz> salut blomberg_taf
[10:28] <svenl> the bios finds the grub of the SATA disk, but grub fails to find the kernel, which i suppose it is looking for on the PATA disk.
[10:28] <blomberg_taf> j'ai un probleme, a l'installation , je voudrais savoir qui d'autre la eu !
[10:28] <svenl> i am at the grub command line prompt.
[10:28] <blomberg_taf> il refuse de charger les firmware de carte reseau , il bloque a 34%
[10:28] <svenl> blomberg_taf: dis quel probleme, ce sera plus facile, de preference en anglais ...
[10:28] <svenl> diego: so, do you know how i can, in the grub prompt list the disks and such things ?
[10:29] <diego> svenl: nope sorry, never used the grub prompt
[10:29] <svenl> ok.
[10:29] <spiritz> sven1: I think you can use the E key to manually set the booting parameters. Then since you changed the harddrives name you should set your booding device (the one with the kernel) to another one, such as maybe hda1 hdb1 .....
[10:29] <termitor_taff> svenl, sorry , when installer load nic-firmware is blocking on
[10:30] <yakfisher> is it possible to edit grub somehow using a live CD linux distro?
[10:30] <diego> yakfisher: sure...just mount the boot partition
[10:30] <termitor_taff> yakfisher, use the commande promt of grub !
[10:30] <yakfisher> ah. thx.
[10:30] <svenl> will try forcing to it or something such.
[10:31] <NaillL> a.... this problem i had only when i`d tried to install ubuntu with vmware
[10:31] <svenl> modified it to (hd1,0).
[10:31] <diego> what package provides watch?
[10:31] <termitor_taff> when loading nic-restricted-firmware-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di_0.3_i386.udeb, is bloking
[10:32] <spiritz> diego : you should type watch in rpm.pbone.net, then it'll show you which package contains it
[10:32] <diego> ah nvm, found in synaptic
[10:32] <diego> spiritz: ^
[10:32] <spiritz> ok
[10:33] <diego> ok so procps provides /usr/bin/watch, how can i get the source?
[10:41] <Mesta> I just recomended ubuntu to my brother for gimp and xsane use but then I thought that I'm not sure about gnome-cd-burner burning images.  I cant find google info specifically on whether it'll burn images.  Will it?
[10:41] <Agrajag> yes, right-click on the iso and choose burn to CD... or whatever the option is
[10:41] <Mesta> I was told it supports backing up data not music, so I don't know where images files fall here
[10:41] <Mesta> k
[10:41] <Agrajag> oh
[10:41] <Agrajag> images, like pictures??
[10:41] <Agrajag> those are data
[10:42] <Mesta> yes pictures, scans,
[10:42] <Mesta> I imagine he'll being using png
[10:42] <Mesta> jpeg, and sometimes tiff
[10:43] <Mesta> thks
[10:45] <kuru> I need some help here.. I grabbed the ubuntu iso
[10:45] <kuru> I have a windows box (fresh from dell) with a shiny winxp home edition ;)
[10:45] <kuru> so.. I'm trying to burn it on a CDRW I have, I erased it..
[10:45] <kuru> apparently I don't have any software that would burn the iso properly
[10:46] <kuru> so, I had windows 'extract' the ISO
[10:46] <kuru> and I set the cd to bootable
[10:46] <kuru> my question is
[10:46] <kuru> where is the bootable image?
[10:46] <Zotnix> I'm having problems burning CD's in Ubuntu
[10:47] <Zotnix> I know you have to be root but my system freezes for a few seconds every few seconds.
[10:49] <Emanuelez> hello *
[10:50] <Emanuelez> is bluetooth sopported in ubuntu?
[10:51] <iMeXdiAC> emanuelez .. i think its supported .. though you will have to use the cli no gui yet..
[10:52] <Emanuelez> iMeXdiAC: no gnome-bluetooth yet? awww :'(
[10:52] <bob2> it has been packaged, but it's not ready to go into supported yet
[10:53] <Emanuelez> bob2: i see... thank u
[10:54] <svenl> Mmm, if i install windows xp, it will kill the grub install, right ?
[10:56] <Emanuelez> svenl: indeed :(
[10:58] <mojo> ah!!! WarCraft III no longer work with new nvidia-glx 6629!! NO!!!
[10:59] <mojo> ARgh...!
[11:00] <Zotnix> I have to add "options ide-cd dma=1" to my modules.conf... however... it says not to modify that file... how would I add this?
[11:00] <kuru> so, which file is the one to use as a boot image?
[11:00] <kuru> install/vmlinuz or sbm.bin ?
[11:00] <kuru> come on people.. ;)
[11:03] <icecrash> moin
[11:03] <iMeXdiAC> zonix .. imho you can create in /etc/modutils/ a new file or add it to an existing one that you feel apropriate and it should load at boottime
[11:04] <ironwolf> Emanuelez: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/warty/ add that to sources for bluetooth
[11:04] <icecrash> anyone who knows why php4-imap is not available for ubuntu? is there an official reason?
[11:04] <bob2> because it's unsupportable, iirc
[11:05] <kuru> bob2: you must know! what's the boot image to use when burning a cd for ubuntu.. the isolinux/vmlinuz one?
[11:05] <svenl> Mmm, i can always reinstall grub from a chroot from the installer afterward, will try.
[11:05] <icecrash> bob2: it's also not in the universe section, but available in debian
[11:06] <bob2> icecrash: right
[11:06] <bob2> kuru: ? you burn the .iso
[11:06] <kuru> bob2: i don't have software that could
[11:07] <kuru> bob2: I had to extract the iso into files and copy them to the CD
[11:07] <bob2> kuru: erm? what are you trying to do then?
[11:07] <kuru> bob2: get rid of this windows thing ;)
[11:07] <bob2> kuru: erk, no idea then, sorry
[11:07] <kuru> alright.. then I'll be the first to know ;)
[11:13] <Emanuelez> ironwolf: thx a lot :)
[11:13] <kuru> okay, question, what is the install/sbm.bin file for?
[11:14] <[dEvIL-bOy] > greetings
[11:14] <ironwolf> Emanuelez: thank jdub :)
[11:15] <[dEvIL-bOy] > would it be ok to consume someones time
[11:15] <[dEvIL-bOy] > as i am trying to install ubuntu on a laptop with windows xp
[11:15] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i find it hard to create a dual boot
[11:16] <Emanuelez> ironwolf: jdub?
[11:17] <kuru> well.. that didn't work.. it told me to use a bootloader
[11:17] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how did you do it in the end then?
[11:18] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i thought i had to create a 50mb partition in the beggining of the HD
[11:18] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and create some boot options there
[11:20] <zeedo> kuru: the sbm.bin file is a smart media bootdisk, read the README.sbm for more info, but it basically allows you to boot a CD (or any other device) from floppy, useful for systems that dont Cd boot
[11:20] <kuru> so what the hell do I do to boot from CD ;)
[11:20] <lamont_r> Emanuelez: jdub would be the ~jdub in the URL...
[11:20] <zeedo> to boot from Cd burn the CD and it should boot
[11:21] <zeedo> if it doesnt stick the sbm.bin in a file and then boot that with the Cd in the drive
[11:21] <zeedo> err stick the sbm.bin on a floppy I meant
[11:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hey hey
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > if I want to install ubuntu on a hard drive that has already winXP
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what should i do
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got the disk for ubuntu
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what am i missing?
[11:23] <ironwolf> Emanuelez: jdub is an ubuntu God.... yeah, that's pretty much it.
[11:24] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] :http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/
[11:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i think i have read that, but i'll try it again
[11:24] <lamont_r> [dEvIL-bOy] : an install CD? :-)
[11:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > don't know
[11:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got it of the net
[11:26] <Emanuelez> lol... thank u everybody... i'm not very smart today... i hope it's just because of the temperature LOL
[11:26] <lamont_r> Emanuelez: np
[11:27] <kuru> so.. what's the initrd file for then?
[11:27] <kuru> i take that back
[11:27] <kuru> what windows shareware software can i use to burn an iso?
[11:28] <crimsun> cdrwin, nero, etc.
[11:28] <nevyn> is there any "order tracking facility for shipit?
[11:28] <kuru> those are not shareware
[11:28] <kuru> or free.. or anything
[11:30] <crimsun> kuru: you said shareware
[11:30] <crimsun> kuru: both of the programs listed provide at least time-limited demos
[11:31] <broseman> Hello togehter! Are there any evolutin experts among us? I would like to public the availabilty informations (do not know the correct english word for that, german menus.. sorry) and I do not find any informatins about that. Who could help me?
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > when i create a partition for linux
[11:31] <kuru> oh yeah?
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > does it has to be NTFS or FAT?
[11:31] <kuru> okay.. i found something
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > oi neither?
[11:31] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] : neither
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so it would be just unallocated space?
[11:32] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] : yes, then let ubuntu use that space
[11:32] <kuru> WTF
[11:32] <[dEvIL-bOy] > cool
[11:32] <b_e_n_z> [dEvIL-bOy] , partition number is 82 for linux... then you create a filesystem for that partition, which can be reiserfs, xfs or ext3
[11:33] <kuru> i get this isomagic thing and it tells me
[11:33] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:33] <kuru> that I can't burn over 300mb iso images
[11:33] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but that is done with the boot disk , right?
[11:33] <crimsun> kuru: it sure would be a lot easier if you chose one of the programs I suggested
[11:33] <kuru> crimsun: I am grabbing nero6603.exe right now
[11:33] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] : yes, just leave it as unallocated and ubuntu will handle the filesystem type when its being isntalled
[11:34] <tuxJr_14> kuru: must be in the shareware version. nero should do it
[11:34] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok
[11:34] <kuru> crimsun: but I had already installed isomagic by the time you said that
[11:34] <svenl> Damn, ...
[11:34] <kuru> I just want something for a one time use and then wipe out windows completely
[11:35] <stvn> er.. is it normal that firefox deletes all your bookmarks in hoary?
[11:35] <kuru> Limitations:  Running until November 30, 2004
[11:35] <kuru> that doesn't look good
[11:36] <[dEvIL-bOy] > another question....i create the partition >reboot install linux> then how will i choose the boot options?
[11:37] <[SemTeX] > anyone tried a multiboot on an acer travelmate 8000 (or 6000)
[11:37] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , install grub
[11:37] <[dEvIL-bOy] > when?
[11:37] <[dEvIL-bOy] > after or before?
[11:37] <[SemTeX] > those things have a smartcard protection and i'm afraid that's the reason why windows doesn't boot anymore :(
[11:37] <tuxJr_14> [dEvIL-bOy] : it should automatically do it
[11:37] <zAo^> well, the Ubuntu setup questions you at the end of the setup
[11:37] <[SemTeX] > "ntldr missing" (and it's there)
[11:38] <Adrenal> my ubuntu is using like 350mb of ram
[11:38] <Adrenal> is this normal?
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok
[11:38] <Simira> bob2?
[11:38] <crimsun> Adrenal: ?
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > zAo^ what should i keep an eye open to
[11:38] <zAo^> Adrenal, with or without buffers?
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what type of question can i mess up?
[11:38] <Adrenal> buffers?
[11:38] <kuru> _finally_
[11:38] <bob2> Simira: heya
[11:38] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , you must install the "Bootloader in the MBR"
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > gotcha!
[11:38] <zAo^> Adrenal, "free -m"
[11:38] <bob2> Simira: pictures aren't up yet since I managed to misplace my cable
[11:38] <broseman> Maybe I should explain me again: Evolution 2 gives you the possibility to publish something like "availability informations". I do not know how to use is. Who could help me?
[11:39] <Simira> bob2: where's all your pics from Mataro? I haven't seen your link in the gallery
[11:39] <crimsun> Adrenal: free -m |grep '-'|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'
[11:39] <kuru> I waslmost gonna reach for the credit card and just register for something
[11:39] <Adrenal> 152 mb free
[11:39] <bob2> Simira: and tollef ran off with his reader thing
[11:39] <zAo^> with buffers I have 1GB in use, so? :)
[11:39] <Adrenal> 346
[11:39] <broseman> SemTex: I tried it on a different travelmate model and failed withe a grub error. Sory, cannot help you.
[11:39] <crimsun> Adrenal: you have 346 MB of usable memory
[11:39] <Simira> bob2: but you did read off the first half, didn't you?
[11:39] <Adrenal> and 166 cached
[11:40] <Adrenal> kk
[11:40] <Adrenal> thanks
[11:40] <Adrenal> but y does it display so much less?
[11:40] <kuru> i hope all this effort is worth it
[11:40] <Adrenal> in system monitor
[11:40] <kuru> ubuntu should be good for my development box, no?
[11:40] <crimsun> Adrenal: Linux caches very aggressively
[11:40] <zAo^> and I like that :D
[11:40] <[SemTeX] > broseman: thx for the tip
[11:41] <Adrenal> ah, but the caches are moved apart as more memory is needed?
[11:41] <crimsun> Adrenal: the prevailing philosophy is that there's little point in having RAM if it's not used to speed up access