[17:01] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, not sure if kdes network manager is causing that issue, he said wicd is also not working
[17:02] <kio_http_> melkor: yes in /etc but all are blank
[17:02] <melkor> kio_http_: can you run service?
[17:02] <melkor> kio_http_: they should be simlinked.
[17:03] <kio_http_> melkor: http://paste.kde.org/154772/
[17:03] <dewcow> how do you unmount a external harddrive
[17:03] <dewcow> when i do: unmount /mnt/...
[17:03] <dewcow> it says unmount is not a command
[17:04] <dr_willis> theres no n in umount....
[17:04] <dr_willis> so its correct. :)
[17:04] <dewcow> really?
[17:04] <dr_willis> its 'umount' not uNmount....
[17:04] <dewcow> *facepalm*
[17:04] <dr_willis> historical reasons... :)
[17:05] <dr_willis> and rember cAsE Is ImpRnTanT
[17:05] <melkor> kio_http_: what about your rc files, can you ls -lh that directory?
[17:05] <dewcow> thanks. i have been going nutz over here
[17:06] <kio_http_> melkor: contents http://paste.kde.org/154778/
[17:07] <melkor> kio_http_: what I think you can do, is stop network-manager with service. Then kill the programs, wpa_supplicant & dhclient the start network manager. It might work then. If not than I do not know.
[17:07] <Andrea-z> I have some issues with upgrade 11.04 to 11.10. Since update-manager doesn't offer the upgrade button, I've tried:
[17:07]  * BluesKaj thinks kio_http_ 's wpa_supplicant.conf file is in an alternate path than /etc/
[17:07] <kio_http_> melkor: But won't it restart on boot
[17:07] <Andrea-z> - do-relase-upgrade -c
[17:07] <Andrea-z> :no release available
[17:08] <BluesKaj> -d
[17:08] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: This is a bug in the alternate installer?
[17:08] <DeltaEpsilon> how do I resize a window with my keyboard?
[17:08] <melkor> kio_http_: Yes, but if what I say works, then you just have to find who starts it. If what I say doesn't work then I don't know what is going on. Also can you paste dmesg
[17:08] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, no it just uses a differnt destination
[17:09] <Andrea-z> ..Trying to refresh my packages list I've switched mirror, and refreshed the cache. Now aptitude proposes 18+GB to install..
[17:09] <melkor> BluesKaj: yes there is a wpa_supplicant.conf file.
[17:09] <melkor> BluesKaj: you can have multiple conf files and you point at the one you want to use. When you use wpa_supp. w/out a front end.
[17:09] <Andrea-z> DeltaEpsilon: Alt+F8
[17:09] <kio_http_> melkor: dmesg http://paste.kde.org/154790/
[17:10] <Duvrazh> Has anyone been able to sets up ubuntu-server 10.04 lts with netatalk and avahi-daemon as an Apple TimeMachine? pm me if you have resolved please.
[17:10] <DeltaEpsilon> Andrea-z, I want to press on a single key to resize and put a window to a certain location of my screen
[17:10] <escott> Andrea-z, i think you had a mirror that may have stopped mirroring. you are probably a number of months behind on updates
[17:10] <jtokarchuk> Incarus6: one pin on a laptop keyboard being loose causes some frustration ^^
[17:10] <DeltaEpsilon> there is a tool to do that. I can't remember the name
[17:10] <BluesKaj> melkor, yup wouldn't it be nice to just connect without NM :)
[17:11] <DeltaEpsilon> something like evilpy
[17:11] <Incarus6> jtokarchuk, so you fixed it?
[17:11] <jtokarchuk> Incarus6: yes, reseated my laptop keyboard and it all works now
[17:11] <Andrea-z> escott: so there's no way than install all this extra luggage?
[17:12] <escott> Andrea-z, since you are going to be going to 11.10 anyways why not ignore the updates that are due to the 11.04 system and jump straight to update-manager -c
[17:12] <melkor> kio_http_: it looks like apparmor is starting dhclient. Do you know what apparmor does?
[17:13] <escott> melkor, no. apparmor should not be starting dhclient. apparmor may be restricting files accessed by dhclient
[17:13] <kio_http_> melkor: No ... /etc/rc.d/networkmanager stop  cuts my internet and starts turns it back on
[17:14] <Andrea-z> escott: since update-manager doesn't offer any upgrade. As do-release-upgrade says there are no new releases to upgrade to
[17:14] <kio_http_> melkor: I mean init.d not rc.d
[17:15] <escott> Andrea-z, im not following. you changed your mirrors and now it lists 18gb of updates, but it doesnt list a new release available? what is your mirror right now?
[17:15] <Andrea-z> escott: Switzerland (ch)
[17:16] <theadmin> kio_http_: Arch user eh?
[17:16] <Andrea-z> escott: I switched from Germany (de)
[17:16] <melkor> kio_http_: so you can control your connection with network-manager but not with the icon on your desktop.
[17:16] <escott> Andrea-z, just !paste us your /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:18] <gerry1> wow lots of joins and quits
[17:19] <ElDorado> tob hi
[17:20] <ElDorado> msgbox("ok")
[17:20] <ElDorado> sry bad paste
[17:21] <FreeWilly> i cant seem to log into my samba share as guest or anonymously via my media player, within my smb.conf i define security = share, guest account = nobody and within my share definitions guest ok = yes, however media player cant login to those shares, any ideas?
[17:21] <kio_http_> melkor: What does etc/init.d/networking start exactly run because when I do start and stop it cuts or reconnects
[17:21] <ciao> ciao
[17:21] <ciao> !list
[17:22] <ciao> list
[17:22] <melkor> kio_http_: I don't know, I think you need to start/stop network manager and not networking.
[17:22] <Diamondcite> ...
[17:22] <ciao> ciao
[17:22] <Diamondcite> ...
[17:22] <ciao> !list
[17:22] <Diamondcite> That looks REALLY bot like...
[17:22]  * tommylom1ykins waves
[17:22] <theadmin> Diamondcite: ubottu is a bot
[17:22]  * Diamondcite pokes ciao with a long boot?
[17:23] <Duvrazh> Does anyone know how to set up avahi-daemon and netatalk as a TimeMachine drive for Mac OS X Lion? Target machine is Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS
[17:23] <tommylom1ykins> how do I get rid of the annoying "enter passwword to unlock login keyring " window?
[17:23] <theadmin> Diamondcite: She just responds to messages starting with ! that's all
[17:23] <theadmin> tommylom1ykins: Make sure your login keyring ain't password protected throug seahorse
[17:23] <Diamondcite> theadmin: I don't mean ubotttu, more like who it's responding to..
[17:23] <xangua> tommylom1ykins: keyring¿ do you have automatic log in enable¿ disable it ;)
[17:24] <tommylom1ykins> xangua: so, whatever happens, if I want to connect to the internet
[17:24] <melkor> kio_http_: so you icon doesn't even see your available wlans? Maybe stop network-manager and see if it can.
[17:24] <tommylom1ykins> I have to enter my login passowrd?
[17:24] <escott> !paste | Andrea-z
[17:24] <xangua> Diamondcite: ciao user is very weird, he always do the same when he leaves (11:22:28) ciao: !list
[17:25] <kio_http_> melkor: stop: Unknown instance:
[17:26] <theadmin> Diamondcite: Ubottu is a she, not it
[17:26] <theadmin> !gender | Diamondcite
[17:26] <melkor> kio_http_: service network-manager stop
[17:26] <Andrea-z> escott: the sources.list.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/759510/
[17:27] <kio_http_> melkor: same result
[17:28] <melkor> kio_http_: being, you disconnect, and then you reconnect or ?
[17:28] <Corigo> how can I simply "activate" my raid device if it showing inactive in mdstat?
[17:28] <kio_http_> melkor: stay connected and output is  service network-manager stop
[17:28] <kio_http_> sorry 1 sec
[17:28] <kio_http_> melkor: stop: Unknown instance:
[17:29] <melkor> did you tab complete for network manager? ie service net<tab>
[17:29] <Andrea-z> escott: the 18+GB of new install are only proposed by aptitude -u . upgrade-manager seems still of the idea no updates AND upgrades are available.
[17:29] <kio_http_> melkor: possible entries are networking                  network-interface           network-interface-security  network-manager
[17:29] <escott> Andrea-z, so that looks good. and i assume lsb-release -a shows you on natty. i guess do a sudo apt-get update; and then try do-release-upgrade again
[17:30] <FreeWilly> anyone with samba exp, i have a little issue?
[17:30] <kio_http_> melkor: for network-manager result is "stop: Unknown instance:"
[17:30] <Duvrazh> Recent room joiners, if you've succeeded at getting avahi-daemon and netatalk to function as a Bonjour-based TimeMachine, please let me know; I'm having configuration problems with error message
[17:30] <escott> Corigo, mdadm -Es should generate the contents of the mdadm.conf file
[17:30] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, try sudo service network-manager-kde stop
[17:31] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: network-manager-kde: unrecognized service
[17:31] <melkor> kio_http_: i'm lost if you do network-manager stop, it should stop it.
[17:31] <c|oneman> How do you run something like psyBNC automatically when the server is restarted?
[17:31] <theadmin> c|oneman: You write an initscript.
[17:31] <Andrea-z> escott: roger. 1 question: is maybe aptitude sometime going little crazy? Should I use only apt-* tools?
[17:32] <c|oneman> do I have permission to do so as limited user?
[17:32] <kio_http_> melkor: I know, but since 5 minutes my kde network widget has a red cross on it and detects no interfaces on the computer
[17:32] <theadmin> c|oneman: No, you haz to be root/have sudo rights
[17:32] <Duvrazh> Andrea-z (as root) apt-get -y --force-yes purge aptitude && apt-get -y -f --force-yes install aptitude
[17:32] <melkor> kio_http_: maybe it is already stopped, and you have to start it.
[17:32] <kio_http_> melkor: start gives be this "network-manager start/running, process 4480 "
[17:32] <ciao> ciao
[17:32] <ciao> !list
[17:32] <kio_http_> melkor: then an subsequent stop gives the same message
[17:33] <Andrea-z> Duvrazh: ok. Since a simple apt-get update didn't do any magic..
[17:33] <melkor> did your widget change when you started it?
[17:33] <c|oneman> theadmin: so can I use a crontab or some other solution?
[17:33] <kio_http_> melkor: no
[17:34] <norpan> When i installed ubuntu i lost my 8 cores. I solved it with updating BIOS, now suddenly i only see one core again. whats the deal?
[17:34] <theadmin> c|oneman: Well, with crontab... Hm, you could use a line simlar to this: "@reboot /usr/bin/whatever -what -ever blah"
[17:34] <kio_http_> melkor: BluesKaj  and now if I click "manage connections" kdeinit4 crashes
[17:35] <theadmin> c|oneman: Please note that despite it says "reboot", it really happens at the startup of the cron daemon if it's in /etc/crontab, OR at user's login if it's in a user's crontab.
[17:35] <melkor> kio_http_: I'm sorry but I just do not know kde well enough to help.
[17:35] <Incarus6> kio_http_, btw, using 11.10?
[17:35] <escott> Andrea-z, they all rely on apt. they may be something buggy about the other programs. its also not a bad idea to run a "do-release-upgrade" inside a screen instance so that you can resume it later
[17:36] <kio_http_> lighta: Yes
[17:36] <kio_http_> melkor: I do and I the crash is just because it cannot access network-manager for configuration
[17:36] <Corigo> I think that because the raid is inactive there is nothing to generate
[17:36] <lighta> ?? kio_http_ ?
[17:36] <kio_http_> lIncarus6 yes
[17:36] <Corigo> (escott)
[17:36] <norpan> When i installed ubuntu i lost my 8 cores. I solved it with updating BIOS, now suddenly i only see one core again. whats the deal?
[17:36] <kio_http_> lighta: Sorry wrong tab complete
[17:38] <mkjackson_remote> Hey everyone, just got into 11.10 and I can't seem to find /boot/grub/menu.lst? any reason it's not here? google's been failing me.... :-/
[17:38] <kio_http_> melkor: BluesKaj  is this relevant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/811441
[17:38] <escott> norpan, what does /proc/cpuinfo say
[17:39] <norpan> escott: i will check
[17:39] <melkor> kio_http_: could be, did any of their fixes work for you?
[17:39] <escott> mkjackson_remote, grub2 uses grub.conf
[17:40] <kio_http_> melkor: I did not try
[17:40] <mkjackson_remote> escott: gah, ty!
[17:40] <Andrea-z> escott: Duvrazh: reinstalling aptitude, also removed an unused package (..nice).  But still no luck. Have you any idea where apt looks in the repository for new available releases?
[17:40] <norpan> escott: command did not work
[17:40] <rafael> how can i connect in ubuntu server the same way as vnc, because i have to put it to process something sometimes
[17:41] <Duvrazh> Andrea-z sorry, I don't know that far in-depth, I'm just pretty okay at resolving my issues
[17:41] <kio_http_> melkor: I have wpa_supplicant in /var/run
[17:41] <Duvrazh> andrea-z if you want to give me temporary ssh access I'll look around.. I'm mucking in a machine right now anyways
[17:41] <escott> norpan, its not a command its a file
[17:41] <norpan> oh
[17:41] <Ampelbein> !info vino | rafael
[17:42] <kio_http_> melkor: also  wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid
[17:42] <escott> Andrea-z, the new releases is different from apt. its a tool that checks for a different sources.list configuration
[17:42] <derek> hi
[17:42] <Andrea-z> Duvrazh: no thanks anyway. Need to leave the channel (and my pc..)
[17:42] <rafael> Ampelbein: but i have to install vino and gnome in the server ?
[17:42] <Andrea-z> escott: thanks I'll have a deeper look into it
[17:43] <melkor> kio_http_: I don't know what /var/run is, it seems like it indicates the process was started during boot?
[17:43] <james305> anyone know how to disable the touchpad on a levono laptop?  i'm using ununtu 11.10
[17:43] <norpan> escott: it says this http://tinypaste.com/26264f4d
[17:43] <xangua> james305: use your function keys
[17:43] <Ampelbein> rafael: You have to install vino. The rest will get installed automatically. Though I don't see the benefit of having vnc on a server. You should use ssh to admin it.
[17:43] <kio_http_> melkor: maybe it looks suspicious I also have dhclient.wlan0.pid
[17:43] <theadmin> james305: Laptops normally have a button (or a button combo) for this purpose.
[17:44] <escott> norpan, uname -a
[17:44] <theadmin> james305: It can be one of the fn keys
[17:44] <kio_http_> melkor: can you check you /var/run ? and see if it has wpa_supplicant in there
[17:44] <melkor> kio_http_: those are fine, that is how the processes are managed.
[17:44] <rafael> james305: at the same time press fn + f8
[17:44] <norpan> escott: Linux norpan-ubuntu 3.0.0-13-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 2 13:27:26 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:44] <Anom01y> I had a strange problem with Nautilus and sshfs yesterday, I mounted a local ssh server using sshfs, and used nautilus to copy a file from the remote computer.
[17:45] <Anom01y> it would stop at like 35 mb
[17:45] <james305> rafael - worked!  thank you!
[17:45] <Anom01y> so I had to download and use filezilla, which worked perfect
[17:45] <rafael> james305: in my laptop is this model: g550
[17:45] <escott> norpan, never seen that before. can you send us dmesg output
[17:45] <rafael> Ampelbein: i have to install gnome on the server ?
[17:45] <Anom01y> I tried several times (each time I had to reset the computer because I didn't know how to kill the copy process
[17:45] <melkor> kio_http_: it does but it is not quit the same.
[17:46] <marg> I cannot get my computer to recognize/connect with my router at all.  Not sure what is wrong.  It will work with my DSL modem directly, not the router
[17:46] <Ampelbein> rafael: You can install any desktop environment you want.
[17:47] <escott> marg, what kind of router? what kind of connection?
[17:48] <rafael> Ampelbein: to use in this way only with desktop environment ? is it ?
[17:48] <marg> escott, DLink DIR-615 router.  The router works on two other computers with no problems
[17:48] <marg> escott, wired connection
[17:49] <kio_http_> melkor: BluesKaj ... I think I found my problem !! /etc/network/interfaces has http://paste.kde.org/154832/ ... should I remove it?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, I'm wondering if, sudo apt-get install  --reinstall network-manager , will help ....you may have a had a gui glitch during your install
[17:49] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: See previous
[17:49] <Ampelbein> !vnc | rafael, have a look at this:
[17:49] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: melkor I removed my real ssid and pass from that
[17:50] <escott> marg, what does "route" say
[17:50] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, absolutely not !
[17:50] <crystaltvco> greetings.. i did a 10.10 upgrade recently.. and now I dont get the grub boot menu to choose between xp and ubuntu disks? can find dual boot on same disk but not separate disks
[17:50] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: meaning?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> don't remove it
[17:51] <BluesKaj> but try my post above , kio_http_
[17:51] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: I meant the lines auto wlan 0 and after
[17:51] <melkor> kio_http_: I think blueskaj's suggestion with apt is better to try first.
[17:51] <escott> crystaltvco, the other os detection is handled by os-prober. does it detect the other os
[17:51] <melkor> kio_http_: if you edit your interfaces just make sure to back it up..
[17:51] <melkor> anyways I am out.
[17:51] <kio_http_> melkor: BluesKaj Already tried the apt thing did not work
[17:52] <crystaltvco> escott, yes it boots to xp no problems
[17:52] <kio_http_> melkor: Thanks for the time
[17:52] <crystaltvco> but no menu
[17:52] <escott> !grub | crystaltvco
[17:52] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: I'll try removing the lines auto and subsequent, if it fails I'll restore a backup
[17:52] <crystaltvco> escott, did not install windows.. they are on separate hd's
[17:53] <escott> crystaltvco, or try switching the boot order. sounds like your ubuntu disk is being skipped over either because the grub isnt on the mbr or because the boot order is wrong
[17:53] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, you may need to reboot after a --reinstall , if you did as I suggested
[17:53] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: I did reboot (I tried that before)
[17:53] <crystaltvco> escott, boot order sounds like a good place to start
[17:53] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: Can I see your /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:53] <_Florine_> Ok, y'a pas de Français..
[17:54] <GeorgeWashington> Hey Ubuntu-ers.  I've got a problem with my netbook's speakers when I use Jolicloud (based on Ubuntu 10.04), but I'll wait a few minutes for your help so I can contribute to the current conversation.
[17:54] <theadmin> !fr | _Florine_
[17:54] <BluesKaj> that actual command kio_http_ , or just reinstall
[17:54] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:54] <theadmin> GeorgeWashington: We don't support Jolicloud here, nor any derivatives as a matter of fact.
[17:54] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: The command and reboot
[17:55] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, it won't help , this pc is on an ethernet connection , and I don't use network manager
[17:55] <GeorgeWashington> Okay, yeah, but do you think you could help me with my speaker problem regardless that it's Joli OS??  I installed Tor yesterday, and now my speakers don't work (either that, or I just noticed it last night).
[17:55] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: Ok ... my other identical laptop does not have the SSID and passprhase in the same file
[17:57] <theadmin> GeorgeWashington: No, we can't help with problems that are not on one of the official Ubuntu derivatives. Given that Jolicloud uses an entire different KERNEL, as a matter of fact, and that's a huge difference, we can have no idea how stuff works with it
[17:57] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: I'm going to try using the exact lines from the PC that works and rebooting
[17:57] <matrixiumn> hello
[17:58] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, ok , good luck
[17:58] <GeorgeWashington> Ahhhhh, I see.  Okay, thanks theadmin.  I'll stay on this channel so I can contribute to helping the community.
[17:58] <sidney> is there an lubuntu channel
[17:58] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, the IPs will be different
[17:59] <piotr__> eee
[17:59] <GeorgeWashington> I'm multitasking atm, so I'll be afk a few times.
[17:59] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: No ips in the file its auto dhcp
[17:59] <xangua> #lubuntu sidney
[17:59] <sidney> thanks
[18:00] <BluesKaj> kio_http_, of sorry , I forgot I use static
[18:00] <BluesKaj> oh
[18:00] <norpan> escott: yes i can, are you still there? PM?
[18:00] <escott> norpan, yes
[18:01] <mamece2> im back, i can boot desktop with my pci xpress video card, but i cant with my pci trident card
[18:01] <crystaltvco> escott, It appears I do not have a windows entry in my grub.cfg
[18:01] <dr_willis> trident.. now thats an old name...
[18:01] <AlpT> hi guys, I am having some problems. I did an apt-get upgrade and now I have: $ chromium-browser
[18:01] <AlpT> Segmentation fault
[18:01] <AlpT> What to do? How can I downgrade chromium-browser? (Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS. 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP)
[18:02] <Phrogz> Can someone help me with rsync? This command looks like it's working...but it isn't: http://pastie.org/2965368
[18:02] <mamece2> dr_willis: its a 94' trident
[18:02] <kio_http_> BluesKaj: I use static too, normally but KDE's stuff not working did not give me a choice anyway rebooting
[18:02] <kantor> Hello
[18:02] <mamece2> dr_willis: theres no xorg.conf anymore in lubuntu 11.10 so i cant use my old video card, xorg -configure doesnt work neither
[18:03] <dr_willis> mamece2:  x auto configures.. if you have an old xorg.conf you could try it.
[18:03] <dr_willis> thers some command to generate a xorg.conf  but what would you change in it?
[18:03] <mamece2> dr_willis: i dont, i even made a xorg.conf from scratch
[18:04] <dr_willis> with that old a card. i wonder what driver its even using..
[18:04] <marg> escott, any ideas?
[18:04] <escott> norpan, how many cpus did you provide your vm?
[18:04] <mamece2> dr_willis: i think X doesnt get the xorg.conf from /etc/X11/
[18:04] <norpan> escott: im not using VM..
[18:04] <dr_willis> mamece2:  it does. every nvidia system i got has one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:04] <dr_willis> mamece2:  they are just a few lines in my case. for my twinview settings.
[18:04] <kantor> I have ubuntu 11.04. From time to time the screen goes black, and a narrow stripe appears on the left side of the display. For sure it is because of an incompatibility of the driver with my video card. MY question is where can I check what kind of driver loads ubuntu for my video card? As I read the old xorg.conf file is not used any more :(
[18:04] <norpan> escott: check pm, i think you mean VM is VirtualMachine?
[18:05] <escott> norpan, nevermind that message is in all kernels odd
[18:05] <shaneo> hey guys intersting thing i installed 32bit Ubuntu 11.10 after an epic pc fail and i have 8gb of ram. Ubuntu is using and recognizing my 8gb but i thought 32 bit could only handle 4gb any comments??
[18:05] <mamece2> dr_willis:  mines just a trident TGUI9440 rev 3
[18:05] <tetdsuo--> Hello, since installing 11.10 i can no longer see the timekpr icon in the dock, i have done the dconf thing for allow all icons to show up but it's still not there, how can i make unity show the timekpr icon?
[18:05] <escott> marg, what does route say?
[18:06] <norpan> escott: "no APIC, boot with the "lapic" boot parameter to force-enable it." hm
[18:06] <tetdsuo--> i meant system tray
[18:08] <shaneo> nevermind i guess 11.10 comes with a precompiled pae kernel
[18:08] <shaneo> which maps for memory to a 32bit pc
[18:08] <shaneo> good stuff :)
[18:08] <BarkingFish> devish - could I politely ask you please, not to CTCP me without asking first?  The CTCP TIME you sent me, disconnected me from freenode.
[18:08] <dr_willis> i thought one was in the repos shaneo  :) but not the default.
[18:08] <marg> escott, route says nothing as it is not connected
[18:09] <theadmin> shaneo: No, we have no PAE for default
[18:09] <escott> norpan, you do have a lot of kernel arguments. it most likely one of them, because it detects 8 slots, but only brings up 1
[18:09] <shaneo> hmm
[18:09] <theadmin> shaneo: Besides PAE is similar to the HIGHMEM nonsense, it never really works well
[18:09] <shaneo> well i never installed it but all 8 running fine well 7.5
[18:09] <shaneo> i was just suprised
[18:10] <devish> BarkingFish: ohh..i was enjoying this one
[18:10] <shaneo> but thank you for clarigying
[18:10] <kyrol> hi all
[18:10] <shaneo> *clarifying
[18:10] <escott> marg, how about ifconfig
[18:10] <BarkingFish> devish: generally it's polite not to simply go round bouncing CTCP off people without asking them :)
[18:10] <ko420> hi, i am new to ubuntu... figured out a lot yet, but there are still some unanswered questions and 1 unsolved problem... any germans here that could help? :)) (btw... my first irc session too ^^)
[18:10] <marg> ifconfig does not show an ip address for etho
[18:11] <BarkingFish> Some people are susceptible to issues in their routers which can disconnect them when certain things occur, like DCC transmissions, CTCP actions, etc.
[18:12] <norpan> escott: ok, what do i have to do?:S
[18:12] <sameh_> hi
[18:12] <devish> BarkingFish: ok get it... where you saw it in the logs?
[18:12] <sameh_> any one from bahrain
[18:12] <escott> norpan, i would take the noapic and nolapic out if you can
[18:12] <BluesKaj> marg, try, ip addr
[18:13] <norpan> escott: my pc isnt fit for ubuntu maybe? just give up? ... im booting with nolapic? i tought i did not
[18:13] <norpan> escott: there is no noapic or nolapic when i edit /etc/default/grub!!
[18:13] <kyrol> i written simle script. it is in very same folder as command in last line but i can't execute command from last line. please help me
[18:13] <kyrol> http://goo.gl/FsDnw
[18:13] <sameh_> guys
[18:13] <sameh_> anyone can help on wine ?
[18:13] <escott> norpan, then run update-grub, and take a look at your /boot/grub/grub.conf file
[18:14] <sameh_> @_cd
[18:14] <devish> BarkingFish: were you in #freenode?
[18:14] <dr_willis> sameh_:  state the problem and see..
[18:15] <sameh_> im always getting The installation or removal of a software package failed.
[18:16] <dr_willis> sameh_:  you are saying 'sudo apt-get install wine' fails?
[18:16] <dr_willis> bbl....
[18:17] <kyrol> anyone know bash scrip related channel?
[18:17] <sameh_> yes exactly
[18:17] <theadmin> kyrol: #bash
[18:17] <bastidrazor> kyrol: #bash
[18:19] <mamece2> excuse me, wheres xorg.conf in ubuntu 11.10?
[18:19] <escott> mamece2, most people wont have one
[18:19] <Myrtti> mamece2: there is none by default, the screen is autoconfigured
[18:20] <mamece2> ok i know that but i already did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i need a xorg.conf cuz i have a trident video card
[18:20] <Frogging101> This may be a really stupid question, but... Where are the screensaver settings in 10.10? I can't find them...
[18:20] <theadmin> mamece2: Write one... Or use X -configure
[18:20] <mamece2> theadmin: ok but where is the resulting file?
[18:20] <theadmin> Frogging101: 10.10? Pretty much where they always are... System -> Preferences -> Screensaver
[18:21] <Frogging101> I also can't find the appearance settings for graphics effects, like there was in previous ubuntu versions. like "Fancy effects" and such
[18:21] <theadmin> mamece2: That will create an xorg.conf for you
[18:21] <sameh_> #bahrain
[18:21] <theadmin> mamece2: Normally you don't need one
[18:21] <syed> hi
[18:21] <syed> o all
[18:21] <mamece2> theadmin:  i do, i have a old PC with a trident video card, but wheres the file located?
[18:21] <Frogging101> theadmin: But where is that? The menus at the top of the screen are gone
[18:21] <syed> i am new for ubuntu
[18:21] <theadmin> mamece2: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:21] <syed> any one can help me
[18:21] <GeorgeWashington> Hey, this is slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why Compiz is so damn crashy and unstable?  Lmao!
[18:21] <theadmin> Frogging101: Oh, did 10.10 use Unity already? Okay, then press the Windows key and type in "Screensaver"
[18:22] <Frogging101> syed: You need to ask a more specific question than that
[18:22] <Frogging101> theadmin: Doesn't work
[18:22] <kantor> Hello
[18:22] <theadmin> Frogging101: Oookay... Odd...
[18:22] <Frogging101> theadmin: All that shows up is "lock screen", which just locks the screen
[18:22] <GeorgeWashington> Hello, kantor. =)
[18:22] <syed> mm i'm using ubuntu studio 11.10
[18:22] <kantor> Where can I see  what kind of driver loads linux for my video card? I'm using 11.04
[18:22] <Frogging101> So... does anyone know where the screensaver settings are in Ubuntu 10.10?
[18:23] <syed> its not supprot video file how can i
[18:23] <arlo> Hello, i will create a backup with this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite , where a my sql files places in folders?
[18:23] <c|oneman> frontslash above number pad... Y U NO work
[18:23] <norpan> escott: yep, that wat it, all the cores is here now. thank you =)
[18:24] <chost> hello
[18:24] <mamece2> linux makes me (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[18:24] <syed> how can i develop new software for linux
[18:24] <chost> Chanel
[18:25] <jtokarchuk> syed: http://developer.ubuntu.com
[18:25] <Foulad> guys
[18:25] <Foulad> any one can help me
[18:25] <jtokarchuk> Foulad: Can't seem to find it either
[18:25] <arlo> Hello, i will create a backup with this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite , where a my sql files places in folders?
[18:25] <Foulad> i need to run windows application using wine
[18:26] <syed> oh
[18:26] <Anom01y> hi I am having a problem with sshfs and nautilus, when I try and copy a file from a remote computer via ssh, the transfer stops at 1 or 2 %
[18:26] <Anom01y> and I have to reset the computer
[18:26] <Anom01y> filezila works perfect
[18:26] <Anom01y> filezilla
[18:26] <Foulad> any one can help me?
[18:26] <theadmin> Foulad: Try #winehq
[18:27] <mamece2> how can i enter into grub and not directly into the OS
[18:27] <theadmin> mamece2: Try holding left shift during boot
[18:28] <atpa8a> why do i get 'No space left on device' during apt-get operation if df shows plenty of space?..
[18:28] <mamece2> thx
[18:28] <syed> .deb is not supports  for ubuntu studio? then which software is used for studio?
[18:28] <sweetgrass> Hi. I have an error which i am trying to get to the bottom of. Any help would be appreciated. The error is: bad interpreter: Too many levels of symbolic links.
[18:30] <escott> sweetgrass, most likely you have recursive symlinks. the script might begin with #!/bin/interpreter and /bin/interpreter points to /bin/something which points to /bin/interpreter
[18:30] <Foulad> guys any one free to tell me if i can install https://secure.stardevelop.com/customer.htm using wine or not
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> !appdb
[18:31] <Foulad> no one in #winehq
[18:31] <sweetgrass> escott: i think i messed up when trying to untangle my python install. Just not sure where to fix the links
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: click the link
[18:32] <docmur> I have a very annoying networking issue in Linux, that doesn't occur in windows.  My entire network on my Dekstop is computer, not this one is very slow and interrupts service a few times an hour.  I get vety low bandwidth to the router DGL-4500 and I'm connecting to it using wired and wireless.   WHen I ssh into my server ( tis computer ) I can type about 40 character before my input freezes for a few minutes, then I can type again.  Firefox
[18:33] <escott> sweetgrass, so /usr/bin/python should point to /usr/bin/python#.# as desired
[18:33] <OerHeks> Foulad, i think Live Help Messenger Windows application is not suitable for wine. i can't find any instance in WineHQ database.
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> docmur: tty disabling ipv6
[18:33] <Foulad> so OerHeks what do you suggest ?
[18:33] <Frogging101> I just started using ubuntu again. The new Unity interface is nice, but it confuses me a bit. Firstly, I can't find the screensaver settings anymore. Where are they?
[18:34] <docmur> well I honestly haven't tried that yet so I'll give it a go
[18:34] <docmur> wont try it till later
[18:34] <sweetgrass> escott: i want it to point to my distress default python, which I believe is 2.6 as I am on 10.04 LTS
[18:34] <xangua> Frogging101: there is no screensaver on gnome, you neex to install xscreensaver
[18:34] <xangua> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[18:34] <Frogging101> xangua: Thanks, I'll try that
[18:34] <OerHeks> Foulad try it, f it does not work, see the error to solve it.
[18:34] <sweetgrass> s/distress/distros/
[18:34] <xangua> Frogging101: see above for more info on it and other tweaks
[18:34] <Frogging101> xangua: But... in any version of Ubuntu i've used previously it's been there by default.
[18:34] <DeltaEpsilon> I like Ubuntu so far but the interface is lagy from time to time
[18:34] <PumkinPie> i have searched and searched for days, so im asking now.  presario cq57 has no wireless out of box on any other distro but 11.10 which freezes, so it is worthless to me. noone knows what to do.  do you? are you experienced enough?
[18:34] <DeltaEpsilon> it is not 100% smooth
[18:35] <PumkinPie> show me what you got
[18:35] <xangua> Frogging101: the new gnome3 doesn't have, so the new ubuntu neither
[18:35] <ikonia> PumkinPie: sorry, whats the issue?
[18:35] <PumkinPie> no wireless out of box. no forum help. others have asked and get no responce
[18:36] <Frogging101> xangua: Okay, thanks. That's a step backwards in my opinion though.
[18:36] <ActionParsnip> DeltaEpsilon: what gpu and cpu do you use and how much ram do you have?
[18:36] <ikonia> PumkinPie: you said it doesn't work in any other distro too ?
[18:36] <ikonia> PumkinPie: is that correct ?
[18:36] <PumkinPie> ikonia: that is correct...other than 11.10 which frezes....i am at your direction
[18:36] <Foulad> guys sudo apt-install wine now working for me
[18:37] <DeltaEpsilon> ActionParsnip, i5-2300 + onboard gfx (I think Intel HD 3000) + 16GB ram
[18:37] <ikonia> PumkinPie: so 11.10 does see it, but freezes, correct ?
[18:37] <ngine> hi all, does anyone knows any ISP Billing software in Linux?
[18:37] <PumkinPie> yes
[18:37] <antonio_> !list
[18:37] <PumkinPie> xchat
[18:37] <ikonia> PumkinPie: what model network card is it ?
[18:37] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: apt-install isn't a command
[18:37] <PumkinPie> lspci command?
[18:37] <antonio_> ciao
[18:37] <Frogging101> Also I think the new software centre is a step in the wrong direction. It seems to be implying non-free software with it specifying "free"
[18:37] <Foulad> so what is the correct commend ?
[18:37] <engine40> hi all, does anyone knows any ISP Billing software in Linux?
[18:38] <ikonia> Frogging101: what are you talking about
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> DeltaEpsilon: have you tested ram health?
[18:38] <PumkinPie> ikonia: oops. im on 2 boxes. gotta install xchat on one if you need outputs.
[18:38] <DeltaEpsilon> ActionParsnip, ram should be okay. win 7 works flawlessly
[18:38] <ikonia> I don't want outputs
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: sudo apt-get install wine
[18:38] <ikonia> PumkinPie: I just want you to tell me what network card is in it
[18:39] <Foulad> oh ok thanks
[18:39] <Frogging101> ikonia: The new software centre in Ubuntu 10.10, some software has prices now. Most of it is free, but I still think it's a step in the wrong direction to make it easy to charge money for linux software
[18:39] <ikonia> Frogging101: give 1 example
[18:39] <sweetgrass> escott: i have been using the following command to try and set the right path: sudo ln -sf python /usr/bin/python
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> DeltaEpsilon: the ram may be bad but windows could have a mechanism to deal with it
[18:39] <PumkinPie> ikonia: ill install xchat on the box in question so i can cut and past properly. please wait one. forgive me for not being ready
[18:39] <ikonia> PumkinPie: I don't want a cut and paste
[18:40] <escott> sweetgrass, thats what is wrong. you /usr/bin/python is now pointing to itself
[18:40] <Frogging101> ikonia: Open the Ubuntu software centre. And look in the "What's new" section. You'll notice that many of the programs have a price tag
[18:40] <ikonia> PumkinPie: I want you to tell me the model of the network card, not cut and paste
[18:40] <PumkinPie> ikonia: how do i find that out?
[18:40] <Foulad> when i try wine for my windows app i get this erro "sudo apt-get install wine" any ideas ?
[18:40] <ikonia> Frogging101: no, I'm asking you to give me an example of free software that has a price next to it in ubuntu software center
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> dataworm_: there is a memtest in grub. Even just running the first few test will show bad ram
[18:40] <arlo> hello where are my phpmyadmin sql files placed in ubuntu ?
[18:40] <arlo> hello where are my phpmyadmin sql files placed in ubuntu ?
[18:40] <ikonia> PumkinPie: look up the model of the laptop and it's spec, look at lspci as you suggested
[18:40] <PumkinPie> ikonia: ok, thank you
[18:41] <Foulad> when i try wine for my windows app i get this erro "err:cabinet:FDICopy FDIIsCabinet failed: 2.
[18:41] <Foulad> " any ideas ?
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: dude, make your life easier and use software centre
[18:41] <Frogging101> ikonia: Any free software says "Free" next to it. That's fine, but the fact that it specifies that is saying that there is software that isn't free.
[18:41] <Detergentizer> hi
[18:41] <mamece2> how can i run grub when im in cli ?
[18:41] <ikonia> Frogging101: please give one example
[18:41] <sweetgrass> escott: ok.so i should be pointing it to /usr/bin/python2.6 or whatever
[18:41] <Detergentizer> i have 4GB memory do I need swap?
[18:41] <Foulad> when i try wine for my windows app i get this erro "err:cabinet:FDICopy FDIIsCabinet failed: 2.
[18:41] <Frogging101> ikonia: Gparted
[18:41] <Foulad> any ideas ?
[18:41] <ikonia> Frogging101: so you are saying it's charging money for gparted ?
[18:41] <PumkinPie> ikonia: its me...please wait one
[18:41] <escott> sweetgrass, yes
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: if you get messages running the app with wine then you will
[18:41] <PumkinPie> lspci
[18:42] <Detergentizer> ???
[18:42] <ikonia> PumkinPie: please don't paste the output of lspci
[18:42] <Detergentizer> did u heard me?
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: use the errors in searches to see what it means
[18:42] <escott> Detergentizer, depends on what you do. if you work with large graphics files or browse a lot on the web pages maybe
[18:42] <Frogging101> ikonia: No. My point is basically, that the new software centre is a step in the wrong direction because they now host paid software
[18:42] <mamece2> how can i run grub when im in cli ?
[18:42] <arlo> Are therot expert on this?
[18:42] <purpose> ikonia: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
[18:42] <ikonia> Frogging101: so ?
[18:42] <ikonia> Frogging101: some solutions cost money
[18:42] <purpose> is that it?
[18:42] <Detergentizer> android development
[18:42] <ikonia> Frogging101: it's up to you if you want to use it
[18:42] <arlo> where are my sql files placed ? in ubuntu
[18:43] <escott> mamece2, what do you mean run grub?
[18:43] <serega_by> Åñòü êòî ðóññêîãîâîðÿùèé ?
[18:43] <ikonia> purpose: that's not a wireless card, that's your network card, is that what you meant ?
[18:43] <mamece2> escott: i hold left shit and now i am in root with network . i want to run dpkg to restore broken packages
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: is there no opensource equivalent??
[18:44] <Foulad> no
[18:44] <purpose> ikonia: yes. and i will not post the entire output.  i dont know what im looking for other than that though
[18:44] <Foulad> its live chat app
[18:44] <mamece2> escott: i have a problem , i did xorg -configure and theres no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ what happened?
[18:44] <ikonia> purpose: ok, just needed to check you had a problem with your wired card, and not your wireless card
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: what protocol?
[18:45] <escott> mamece2, you are all over the place. first its grub, then dpkg, then Xorg. what are you trying to do
[18:45] <Foulad> any one know good application to edit html with design view ?
[18:45] <DeltaEpsilon> Foulad, dreamweaver
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: is it mentioned in the forums?
[18:45] <purpose> ikonia: i see nothing refering to wireless. i deduce my box is not recognizing my chipset
[18:45] <mamece2> escott: i just want my trident video card to work, its a messed up screen what i get
[18:45] <Foulad> dreamweaver any download links?
[18:45] <ikonia> purpose: I'm just trying to clarify if the problem you are complaining about is on your wired card, or your wireless card
[18:46] <ikonia> Foulad: no, you have to buy it from adobe
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: bluefish and kompozer are 2 i can think of quickly
[18:46] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, Have you checked Quanta Plus?
[18:46] <Foulad> no
[18:46] <purpose> ikonia: no prob with ethernet...only wireless. thank you
[18:47] <ActionParsnip> DeltaEpsilon: why buy when there are open solutions :-)
[18:47] <ikonia> purpose: ok, so that line you posted is for the wired connection, not the wirless
[18:47] <ikonia> purpose: I need to know what model wireless card is in it
[18:47] <Foulad> so  bluefish and kompozer or Quanta Plus , what is your recommendation ? with design view
[18:47] <purpose> ikonia: how do i retrieve that info for you?
[18:47] <ckattila> hali
[18:47] <escott> mamece2, you might try !nomodeset. the trident chipset isnt the best, im not sure how well it would be supported
[18:47] <reesk> could someone help me i need hep picking out a ubuntu distro for a netbook
[18:47] <ikonia> purpose: it should be in lspci or look up the hardware spec as I've told you
[18:48] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanta_Plus
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: have a try, or review features to see what suits
[18:48] <xangua> reesk: ubuntu.com ¿
[18:48] <escott> !nomodeset | mamece2
[18:48] <purpose> ikonia: i do not know how to interpret lspci, so i will look up the hardware spec as instructed. thanks
[18:48] <mneptok> purpose: if it's a USB dongle, try "lsusb -vvv"
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> reesk: lubuntu will free up more resources
[18:49] <Sidewinder1> !pastebinit | purpose
[18:49] <Foulad> Quanta Plus is it free ?
[18:49] <reesk> xangua: i know the website but i dont know which would be best for it i used to use nbr but now thats moved o to th elatest generation of netbooks and barley works on the old netboos
[18:49] <Foulad> foulad
[18:49] <reesk> ActionParsnip: ill give it a look
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: go see :-)
[18:49] <purpose> mneptok: im googling "dongle" but no usb "stick". it is internal
[18:50] <mamece2> escott: i barely know CLI and u want me to modify a kernel? o_O
[18:50] <purpose> ubottu: will do. thank you for your patience
[18:50] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, Did you read the link I sent you?
[18:50] <Sidewinder1> purpose, :-)
[18:51] <escott> mamece2, no its an argument to the kernel during the boot. you can modify /boot/grub/grub.conf or you can make a temporary change by using the bootloaders built in editor
[18:51] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, Quanta Plus should be in your repositories.
[18:51] <Foulad> yes fast reading , how can i add your name so text will be sent to you?
[18:51] <purpose> hahaha
[18:52] <purpose> more intelligent than i
[18:52] <bastidrazor> Foulad: type it.
[18:52] <Sidewinder1> !who | Foulad
[18:52] <Frogging101> Best Linux video editor?
[18:52] <mamece2> escott: ok, i upgrading and updating just in case. whats the command to check for broken packages?

[18:53] <Detergentizer> I CREATED A 5000MB PART
 is it red for you now ?
[18:53] <escott> mamece2, apt-get check
[18:53] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, You got it!
[18:53] <TheTrash> Is the ppa:mactel-support repo no longer supported or did something changed for latest Ubuntu?
[18:53] <Foulad> thats cool
[18:53] <Foulad> im new
[18:53] <Foulad> he he he
[18:53] <Detergentizer> AND I CREATED A 700GB / DISK
 thank you
[18:53] <mamece2> escott: u thinkg that with nomodeset i can fix the trident messy screen?
 yes
[18:54] <TheTrash> I added the repo but I'm not getting any package options.
[18:54] <escott> mamece2, honestly no, but you could try it
[18:54] <Sidewinder1> Foulad, We all were, at one time or another.
 how can i change my text color ?
 i dont like gray
[18:54] <Frogging101> Best linux video editor?
[18:54] <bastidrazor> ubottu: tell Frogging101 about polls
[18:54] <mamece2> escott: ive googled it and theres a solution modifying xorg.conf but i dont find it, i dont have it in the /etc/X11 folder
[18:55] <Frogging101> Okay sorry
[18:55] <Frogging101> The unity sidebar is stuck on my screen and won't go away...
[18:55] <Sidewinder1> Frogging101, ffmpeg? Or perhaps Nero for linux; but it costs$.
[18:55] <escott> mamece2, by default you dont have one unless you run Xorg -configure and copy the generated file to /etc/X11
[18:55] <Jonii> why's moonlight not in software center?
[18:55] <mamece2> escott: where generated?
[18:55] <mamece2> escott: wheres generated?
[18:56] <escott> mamece2, it is generated in your current working directory
[18:56] <Foulad> guys what 10 apps should eveyone download ?
[18:56] <Jonii> moonlight does seem kinda worthwhile, and furthermore, it has been before
[18:56] <giuseppe_> ooo
[18:56] <Detergentizer> how is it pronounced?
[18:56] <Detergentizer> ohh-boo-too, or u-bun-too?
[18:57] <mamece2> escott: is there a way to find a file through CLI ? i mean a file by name in every folder
[18:57] <Detergentizer> ???
[18:57] <escott> mamece2, find /path -iname "*pattern*"
[18:57] <Jonii> mamece2: find?
[18:58] <mamece2> search
[18:58] <tnuc> meow
[18:58] <Detergentizer> ???
[18:58] <Detergentizer> HAVE U HEARD ME?
[18:58] <Jonii> mamece2: man find
[18:58] <Frogging101> Detergentizer: Ooh-Boon-Too
[18:58] <Frogging101> Detergentizer: Be patient please
[18:58] <Detergentizer> Oooooh-Boon-Too
[18:58] <Detergentizer> k, thanks
[18:58] <purpose> ikonia: 802.11 b/g/n; Bluetooth wireless networking... cannot find anything on a specific chipset number
[18:58] <yeats> Detergentizer: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:58] <Foulad> my first day with ubuntu
[18:58] <kpiqa> mamece2: or locate
[18:58] <tnuc> that sucks
[18:58] <Detergentizer> yeats I asked and no onw answered
[18:58] <Foulad> i though IRC dose not exist anymore
[18:59] <tnuc> you dont exist
[18:59] <mamece2> kpiqa: ok i need to do a global search for xorg.conf
[18:59] <Detergentizer> I have 4GB memory, so I created 5000MB swap
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> Its still strong :-)
[18:59] <ikonia> purpose: that's not going to be the card, you won't have a bluetooth wirless networking card in a compaq
[18:59] <oCean> Foulad: please be aware that this channel is for tech support only. Use #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[18:59] <Detergentizer> I wanted to create no swap
[18:59] <oCean> tnuc: don't be silly
[18:59] <|Anthony|> what version of alsa is in 11.10
[18:59] <purpose> 	CQ57-260EP / CQ57-260SP : 802.11 b/g/nCQ57-202SI / CQ57-200EI / CQ57-200SI
 oh thank you
[18:59] <purpose> sorry...this must be it
[18:59] <tnuc> just as silly as billy the kid
 how can i change my font on Xchat ?
[19:00] <|Anthony|> anyone?
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> Detergentizer: its needed for suspend / hibernate etc
[19:00] <yeats> !info alsa | |Anthony|
[19:00] <Detergentizer> k
[19:00] <Detergentizer> thankies
[19:00] <Jonii> why's moonlight not in software center?
[19:00] <|Anthony|> damn
[19:00] <Detergentizer> but i read that swap slows down yer system
[19:00] <|Anthony|> well ty yeats
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> |Anthony|: 1.0.24
[19:00] <Jonii> moonlight does seem kinda worthwhile, and furthermore, it has been in software center before
[19:00] <|Anthony|> you sure ActionParsnip
[19:00] <oCean> Foulad: menu Settings > Preferences > text box
[19:00] <purpose> ikonia: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/aa/en/ho/WF06a/321957-321957-3329742-89318-89318-5091489.html
[19:00] <yeats> |Anthony|: that must not be the actual name of the package - ubottu is very literal
[19:01] <Detergentizer> Oooooh-Boon-Too
[19:01] <mamece2> !windows
[19:01] <tnuc> how to change theme and side dock?
[19:01] <kpiqa> mamece2: locate xorg.conf
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> |Anthony|: packages.ubuntu.com will tell you
[19:01] <|Anthony|> oh yeah
[19:01] <mamece2> kpiqa: thx i will try it asap, im doing upgrade
[19:01] <Detergentizer> Ooooh-Boon-Too 11.10 comes with unity by default -- why not KDE ?
[19:01] <Detergentizer> should I install KDE and how to install it:
[19:01] <Gentoo64> thats why they have kubuntu
[19:01] <ikonia> purpose: interesting, the notes are suggesting there is no support for that card in Linux
[19:02] <oCean> Detergentizer: the kubuntu version = kde desktop
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> Detergentizer: use kubuntu instead
[19:02] <yeats> !kde | Detergentizer
[19:02] <escott> mamece2, if you are looking for the file generated by Xorg -configure it is in `pwd` unless you ran sudo Xorg -configure in which case it might be in /root
[19:02] <Jonii> anyone know? like, why was moonlight dropped?
[19:02] <Detergentizer> k
[19:02] <mamece2> escott: ive tried many time to maybe theres some xorg.conf lying around
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> Detergentizer: xubuntu uses xfce and lubuntu uses lxde
 ok
[19:02] <tnuc> yeah their were tnucs
[19:02] <jussi> So, I have a sketch of something I want to make a design of (motorbike). what programs would be suitable in ubuntu?
[19:02] <Detergentizer> i am thanking that kde is better because it has a longer history than unity --- I think
[19:03] <purpose> ikonia: nice!!! so im stuck with 11.10 which freezes but works out of box?
[19:03] <soreau> Jonii: novell laid off the developers that were working on it
[19:03] <kpiqa> mamece2: but locate is only updated periodically
[19:03] <Gentoo64> jussi, mypaint i thnk
[19:03] <ikonia> jussi: now I am interested
[19:03] <ikonia> purpose: does the whole OS freeze or networking freeze ?
[19:03] <kpiqa> mamece2: it's better find
[19:03] <mamece2> no one told me that xorg.conf would be created at the same folder i am
[19:03] <ikonia> purpose: if 11.10 can see the network there is obviously some support for it (despite what the documentation says)
 yes 11.10 freezes alot for me as well
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> Detergentizer: you just grabbed the gnome one, you can install a kde in ubuntu and select it at login
[19:03] <jussi> Gentoo64: more looking for somethign cad'ish, but simpler that can be used by a stupid person like me
[19:03] <Gentoo64> ah ok
[19:03] <Detergentizer> k.
[19:04] <Foulad> #bahrain
[19:04] <Jonii> soreau: does that mean theres no longer ubuntu version of silverlight?
[19:04] <purpose> ikonia: that is correct. i cannot interpret bug info but that does seem to be the source
[19:04] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> cant find my temp files anymore, anyone knows where they might be? if im watching utube there's always a .flv file in my tmp folder so i could save it. since i have ubuntu 10.10 i cant find them anymore, im on ff3
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: try unity2d session. Is it smoother
[19:04] <Detergentizer> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[19:05] <soreau> Jonii: It means development of moonlight has been halted
[19:05] <ikonia> purpose: what seems the source ?
 unity2d session for ?
[19:05] <ikonia> purpose: I asked if networking froze, or the whole system and you said "yes that is correct" - could you please try to read the question and answer
[19:05] <purpose> ikonia: thank you/ i will just reinstall 11.10 and deal with it until developers reallize it is a best selling laptop
[19:05] <ActionParsnip> Detergentizer: if you want sure
[19:05] <jtokarchuk> Has anyone noticed when shutting down 11.10 on a laptop it seems to hang at a blank background screen instead of fully shutting off sometimes?
[19:05] <ikonia> purpose: whoaa, step back
[19:05] <Detergentizer> l
[19:05] <Detergentizer> k
[19:05] <ikonia> purpose: stop "blaming" developers, you don't even know what chipset it is
[19:06] <purpose> ikonia: the whole system. sorry. i am swamped
[19:06] <Sidewinder1> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd, You could also add the add-on/extention to Firefox; it's called "UnPlug."
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: instead of unity, unity2d. You choose it at login
[19:06] <Detergentizer> be nice if there was kubuntu-laptop optimized for laptop of course :D
[19:06] <ikonia> purpose: to help resolve this, when the system freezes, press the caps lock key, look if the light goes on/off when you press it
[19:06] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> Sidewinder1: i dont know about it, what is it? (itz just that it was so easy to save everything from the temp folder)
 Xchat login ?
[19:06] <Gentoo64> Detergentizer, should work fine
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> Detergentizer: there is a kubuntu netbook remix afaik
[19:07] <purpose> ikonia: i stand corrected..just real put off and blinded by frustration
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: no when you log into the OS
[19:07] <Detergentizer> k thankies :D
 i will log off now and try it
[19:07] <ikonia> purpose: the best way to get help and problems resolved is not complaining about developers when a.) you've not been able to give any information b.) don't understand the problem c.) getting help from someone
[19:07] <Sidewinder1> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd, It downloads and saves streaming content; like videos and such.
[19:07] <lnb> personally if ubuntu doesn't go back to gnome2 they will loose a lot of users
[19:08] <ikonia> lnb: you can't go back to gnome2 - it's DEAD
[19:08] <Gentoo64> they wont go back, and they are losing users
[19:08] <ikonia> lnb: no distro will be using gnome2 shortly
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> Lnb: gnome2 is dead
[19:08] <yeats> lnb: all the other distros are moving to GNOME3 too
[19:08] <Detergentizer> dumb question, isa apt-get better than software-center installer?
[19:08] <jussi> Gentoo64: ikonia, I guess IM looking for somethign similar to google sketch up
[19:08] <The_situation> Hi all
[19:08] <lnb> ikonia: i just installed latest debian amd64 and its just like ubuntu before 11.10
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> Lnb: if you like gnome2, use xfce
[19:08] <purpose> ikonia: i stand corrected and will adjust attitude
[19:08] <ikonia> jussi: I have no idea as I never yes it
[19:08] <oCean> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: with a little trick, you can still find the downloaded flash vid
[19:08] <ikonia> lnb: it won't be for long
[19:09] <Gentoo64> i tried out mint 12 earlier in a vm, theyre doing much better job on the ui imo
[19:09] <ikonia> lnb: gnome2 is gone/dead/unmaintained,
[19:09] <Jonii> soreau: which would mean its not safe to run it, right?
[19:09] <lnb> ikonia: i hope you are wrong
[19:09] <ikonia> lnb: I'm not, read the gnome.org site
[19:09] <whoever> should bash files automaticly create a pid when they run? ie: my script runs festival but when i look for festival with ps awww it does not show all that comes up is bash and my irc client
[19:09] <lnb> ikonia: ok thats fine, then they should go to gnome3.5 and put it back the way it was
[19:09] <Sidewinder1> oCean, I just suggested that he add UnPlug to his Firefox. :D
[19:09] <The_situation> I've had enought of new ubuntu
[19:09] <ikonia> lnb: gnome 3.5 doesn't exist
[19:10] <oCean> Sidewinder1: or that :)
[19:10] <yeats> lnb: this may help you: https://github.com/Perberos/Mate-Desktop-Environment
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> Lnb: there is a gnome2 fork called 'mate'. Gnome isn't the only DE
[19:10] <Detergentizer> i The_situation  i thought the 11.10 is ultimate ? why so sad?
[19:10] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> oCean: yeah how?
[19:10] <The_situation> can i put gome?
[19:10] <yeats> !nounity | The_situation
[19:10] <johnnywengluu> Is there a way to combine these two lines "wget <url>" and "unzip -od .vim <package>" into one?
[19:10] <lnb> whatever.  I read comments by a lot of people that absolutely disklike the new ubuntu
[19:11] <oCean> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: It's actually still downloaded in /tmp. You have to use lsof to find the fd in /proc, and then move it back. Example:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/750352/
[19:11] <johnnywengluu> pipe them together somehow?
[19:11] <Jonii> oh, and, how come ubuntu by default uses a lot of battery? what tools are needed to make it last as long as windows does?
[19:11] <Gentoo64> lnb, most people do
[19:11] <ikonia> lnb: so ? that doesn't mean gnome 3.5 exists or gnome 2 isn't dead, you need to accept it and choose how to move forward
[19:11] <lnb> i wiped it out and thank heaven i have 11.04
[19:11] <soreau> Jonii: No, you can run it but it might not work with latest firefox etc
[19:11] <Sidewinder1> The_situation, Why not just use 10.04? It's supported 'til 2013.
[19:11] <ikonia> lnb: I don't like unity, but I also understand that gnome2 is dead
[19:11] <The_situation> I'm sorry but I don't speak engliesh very good, I use ubuntu 11.10
[19:11] <oCean> johnnywengluu: use command1 && command2  to make command2 run after succesful completion of command1
[19:11] <escott> johnnywengluu, if you can make unzip read from a pipe sure, but i dont know that unzip will do that
[19:11] <drewis> 12.04 Precise all the way!
[19:11] <lnb> genoo64: if a lot of people hate it, what was in the developers minds????
[19:11] <lnb> rocks?
[19:11] <Gentoo64> idk
[19:12] <johnnywengluu> oCean: seems to be the simplest way
[19:12] <johnnywengluu> escott: yeah i didn't know that either
[19:12] <bastidrazor> when did this become a rant channel?
[19:12] <yeats> lnb: (this ot I know, but) you can use MATE on the new Linux Mint (not supported here -fyi)
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> johnnywengluu: replace the word and with a semicolon and drop the quotes ;-)
[19:12] <gorkin> hola
[19:12] <johnnywengluu> =)
[19:12] <Gentoo64> all the devs have to do is listen to the community
[19:12] <The_situation> sidewinder i know, but i wanna put gnome on 11.10
[19:12] <Foulad> i was thinking maybe one day we will be able to access our ubuntu using http like this demo www.ubuntu.com/tour/
[19:12] <The_situation> :-)
[19:12] <Foulad> somthing like citrix
[19:12] <johnnywengluu> ActionParsnip: perhaps && is better than since it iwll only run on success
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> Drewis: +1
[19:12] <Sidewinder1> !es | gorkin
[19:12] <lnb> gentoo64: i build servers and desktops for businesses, i have switched tons from windows to ubuntu, i have to now stop
[19:12] <jtokarchuk> Moderator: user llisa is sending me pornographic links on channel join.
[19:13] <gorkin> what do you think is the best distro of linux?
[19:13] <ikonia> jtokarchuk: thank you
[19:13] <lnb> i cannot beleive what they have done to themselves
[19:13] <ikonia> lnb: please stop
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> johnnywengluu: if you wish
[19:13] <lnb> ok, np
[19:13] <ikonia> lnb: if you don't like it, don't use it, it's that simple
[19:13] <escott> lnb, The_situation can you take the !ot complaints about gnome somewhere else. it gets really old
[19:13] <jtokarchuk> Thank you
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> gorkin: that is offtopic here
[19:13] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> oCean: u dont get it, i dont find the downloaded file
[19:14] <oCean> jtokarchuk: please remember that you can use #ubuntu-ops to report such activity. Thanks anyway
[19:14] <oCean> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: using lsof?
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: are you intending to mp3 rip the video?
[19:14] <alexfpms> hi everybody :-) when i suspend my pc it doesn't wake up after so how can i fix it ?
[19:14] <The_situation> I'm sorry I don't know engliesh very good, who can give me italian channel?
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> !it
[19:15] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> ActionParsnip: nope
[19:15] <pangolin> !it
[19:15] <pangolin> The_situation: #ubuntu-it
[19:15] <The_situation> pangolin Thank you very much
[19:16] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> oCean: dont really get the process, with lsof i should grep a file "-i deleted" ??
[19:16] <usr13> pangolin: Looks like the bot is down at the moment
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: there are lots of extensions and addons for browsers as well as youtube-dl in the repos
[19:16] <oCean> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: exactly, as shown in step 2 in the example
[19:17] <The_situation> Italian channel seems dead
[19:18] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> oCean: KK LET ME TRY
[19:18] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> sorry
[19:19] <written> which webserver should i use for my ubuntu 11.10 root server?
[19:19] <written> lighttpd nginx?
[19:19] <ikonia> written: root server ?
[19:20] <alexfpms> does anyone have experience with a suspend issue on ubuntu 11.10 ?
[19:20] <ikonia> alexfpms: there have been suspend issues in linux for ages, epsecially around ati hardware
 me try unity2D
[19:21] <alexfpms> i have nvidia graphic card
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> Yeah what is a root server
[19:21] <ikonia> Foulad: please don't make random suggestions
[19:21] <alexfpms> Foulad, i use gnome-shell
[19:21] <ikonia> Foulad: how is unity2d going to resolve his suspend issues
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: is the desktop smoother?
 for me seems better with 2D
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> written: do you mean a PDC?
 smoother i guess
[19:22] <alexfpms> ikonia, it seems to me that it begun happen when i installed this: http://paolobernardi.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/fix-plymouth-on-ubuntu-after-installing-nvidia-or-ati-proprietary-drivers-for-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric/
[19:22] <alexfpms> ikonia, but i'm not sure
[19:23] <ikonia> alexfpms: sorry that looks crazy
[19:23] <ikonia> alexfpms: you've installed something from a site written by a guy who says "I'm not using ubuntu, but I was told this script fixes things" - that's bonkers
[19:23] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> oCean: doesnt find it, or at least it doesnt find a .flv or flash file it's found 4 .log files...
[19:23] <Foulad> how can i add second keyboard language ?
[19:23] <ikonia> alexfpms: installing random things and scripts especially based around the propritary components is a fast track to disaster
[19:23] <alexfpms> ikonia, it is just a fix for Plymouth
[19:24] <ikonia> alexfpms: I can read what the site says,
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: sounds like the 3d-ness is causing the issue then. You may need to tweak settings in that way. Or stay on 2d
[19:25] <oCean> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: for me, this trick only works as long as the file is actually being downloaded. Maybe try Sidewinder1 suggestion Unplug firefox addon
[19:25] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> oCean: how do i find out where the temporary files are being downloaded?
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: search dash for language.
 im new what do you mean by " search dash for language"
[19:25] <oCean> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: only by using "lsof -n | grep -i delet" - if nothing is listed, then my trick does not work for your download
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: files for what?
[19:26] <alexfpms> ikonia, the problem is when i installed nvidia driver i was not able use ttys and no more Plymouth
[19:26] <oCean> ActionParsnip: the downloaded flashfile. Usually you can still find it using lsof (since there is still a reference/filediscriptor in /proc)
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: press windows key, that is dash. Try researching a little
[19:26] <Foulad> -language
[19:26] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> ActionParsnip: uff... if im watching a youtube video it is actually downloading it to let me watch it. i want to know where, cuz itz not in tmp/ and itz not in ./mozilla/cache, where it is then?
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Ocean: why bother, apps make all that easier.
[19:27] <alexfpms> and the script just installs "v86d" and "hwinfo"
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: you are making this really hard for yourself
[19:27] <The_situation> alexfpmsn the nvidia driver for what video card?
[19:27] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> ActionParsnip: ?_?
[19:27] <alexfpms> The_situation, yes
[19:27] <alexfpms> The_situation, for my video card
[19:28] <randomusr> how can i search for a particular section of a man page? perl for instance. I want perlintro but can't figure out how to get man to open it.
[19:28] <The_situation> alexfpms you tell me your video card moedl
[19:28] <The_situation> *model
[19:28] <The_situation> ?
[19:29] <alexfpms> The_situation, i have the same Plymouth issue since 10.04 i think. i have nVidia 480 GTX
[19:29] <Jonii> oh, and, how come ubuntu by default uses a lot of battery? what tools are needed to make it last as long as windows does?
[19:29] <jtokarchuk> Jonii: I found it was 3D effects, try unity2d
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: install youtube-dl and start a video playing. Copy fhe browser address bar and in terminal run:youtube-dl address
[19:29] <Jonii> powertop tunables allwed me to get an additional hour
[19:29] <alexfpms> The_situation, i mean nVidia GeForce GTX 480
[19:30] <The_situation> could be a problem of nvidia drivers
[19:30] <Sidewinder1> ActionParsnip, I suggested that he simply add UnPlug to Firefox, but I guess he didn't like that idea. :-(
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd: i told you of youtube-dl earlier....
[19:31] <Jonii> jtokarchuk: i dont think its that
[19:31] <The_situation> alexfpms could be a problem of the nvidia drivers
[19:31] <Jonii> i tried ut earlier
[19:31] <Detergentizer> geez,
[19:31] <Detergentizer> insralling kubuntu is slow; it is very large down load'
[19:32] <alexfpms> The_situation, may be but that's why i'm here, i mean i'm looking for a solution (if it exists off course)
[19:33] <Sidewinder1> Detergentizer, Did you remember to Md5sum the ISO image, prior to installing?
[19:33] <sponix> need a bit of help, how do I tie a drive to a certain device name, such as my boot drive to /dev/sda ?
[19:33] <Detergentizer> Sidewinder1:  i'm using apt-get
[19:33] <mamece2> escott: theres no xorg.conf file in my pc, even when i did xorg -configure
[19:33] <Sidewinder1> Detergentizer, OIC. :D
[19:34] <alexfpms> Does anyone have a nVidia card here ? Does anyone have some issues with Plymouth and tty's when driver is installed ?
[19:34] <The_situation> alexfpmsn you can ask in a beautiful italian forum www.pierotofy.it you can speak engliesh altought it is in italian lenguagge
[19:35] <mamece2> escott: Xorg -configure failed
[19:35] <escott> mamece2, when you ran Xorg -configure what was the exact command you ran, and in what directory were you at the time
[19:35] <bastidrazor> sponix: if you need to make changes to your /etc/fstab then using UUID's would be the best way keep things constant
[19:35] <ikonia> The_situation: that is a programming forum, how will that help with Ubuntu software issues ?
[19:36] <mamece2> escott: im in /. vmware: unexpected failure while loading..
[19:36] <alexfpms> The_situation, i didn't get you :-S why do you want i speak "beautiful italian" ?
[19:36] <The_situation> there is the section ubuntu
[19:36] <alexfpms> The_situation, i don't even speak that language
[19:36] <escott> mamece2, if Xorg -configure is failing it probably isn't creating an Xorg.conf file
[19:37] <escott> sponix, sudo blkid
[19:37] <mamece2> escott: ive got it xorg.conf.new
[19:37] <Jonii> oh, and, how come ubuntu by default uses a lot of battery? what tools are needed to make it last as long as windows does?
[19:37] <mamece2> escott: inside /root/
[19:38] <The_situation> alexpms you can speak engliesh,  they answer in engliesh ;-)
[19:38] <alexfpms> The_situation, they have the answer ? i missed something ?
[19:38] <mamece2> escott: its a kinda complicated file, amirite?
[19:39] <The_situation> alexfpms, I don't know, try asking on pierotofy
[19:39] <escott> !info powertop | Jonii
[19:40] <escott> mamece2, not sure how to answer that. it is what it is
[19:40] <mamece2> escott: i did lspci and i know i have my trident in 02:09.0
[19:41] <sponix> escott: issue is I have one IDE drive that is my main OS drive, and at time it is /dev/sda, others it is /dev/sdf ... That hoses my VirtualBox setup for addressing things as raw disks .. Is there a way I can force a UUID to a certain device every time ?
[19:41] <escott> sponix, the uuids are not supposed to change they are saved inside the partition table
[19:42] <Jonii> escott: i know that and i've gotten an additional hour thanks to that, but theres still an hour missing
[19:42] <sponix> escott: I know, that is why I find it odd that they are.. the UUID's of the drives seem to stay the same, but my IDE boot drive is sometimes sda, and others sdf ..
[19:42] <escott> sponix, yes. thats normal
[19:42] <A|i3N> Is there any way to force dpkg to install a i386 .deb package onto a x64 system?
[19:42] <The_situation> alexfpms this is the linux section ;-) http://www.pierotofy.it/pages/extras/forum/7/
[19:43] <escott> A|i3N, with 11.10 apt-get install package:i386
[19:43] <sponix> escott: may be normal, but is there an easy way to avoid it from doing that.. as it is I have to recreate my VirtualBox raw disk pointers ever time I boot
[19:43] <A|i3N> how bout 10.04 - same thing?
[19:43] <ikonia> A|i3N: you don't want to do that
[19:43] <ikonia> A|i3N: 386 packages are designed for the 32bit system and will not install in the correct place/location on a 64bit system, that's why dpkg/apt stops you doing it
[19:44] <A|i3N> oh ok. It's just gimpshop, I have issues compiling it, maybe i can find a x64 deb package. :)
[19:44] <escott> sponix, no you cant change that behavior. use uuids like you are supposed to. there are uuid symlinks to your devices in /dev/disk/by-uuid
[19:44] <Jonii> i disabled usb and changed tunables
[19:44] <mamece2> escott: after the editing i should save it to /etc/X11/ right?
[19:45] <escott> mamece2, if you want to use it as your Xorg.conf yes
[19:46] <escott> A|i3N, with 10.04 its not possible to just install an i386 deb
[19:46] <sponix> escott: aww, you are saying when I create the Raw disk using UUID as well and it will solve my issue.. That isn't a half bad idea
[19:46] <Jonii> also, how come ubuntu is randomly pasting stuff when I type? no, its not touchpad, i dont touch it and that two finger tap doesnt work
[19:47] <A|i3N> ah ok.
[19:47] <A|i3N> thanks escott, ikonia
[19:47] <A|i3N> freakin` hate 64 bit lol
[19:47] <A|i3N> everything is written for i386
[19:47] <ikonia> A|i3N: then don't install it
[19:47] <ikonia> use 32bit
[19:48] <A|i3N> I didn't install but I'm thinking of backing up and redoing it LOL
[19:48] <mamece2> isnt 32 bit for noobs? thats what my friend told me
[19:48] <ikonia> mamece2: you're friend is a fool then
[19:48] <MonkeyDust> mamece2  please don't use the word 'noobs' here
[19:48] <A|i3N> I've also got CentOS dual booted on here and I don't use it so that'd free up some space.
[19:48] <mamece2> k
[19:49] <Jonii> anyone know what sort of stuff can make terminal + ubuntu paste stuff?
[19:49] <A|i3N> Jonii: xclip
[19:49] <whoever> anyone here use espeack? if so i need some help with voices
[19:49] <Jonii> A|i3N: saw my problem description?
[19:50] <A|i3N> Jonii - oops - no lol sorry just did
[19:51] <Jigal> hello i have installed netbeans in ubuntu but now i can't find it in mys shlash dot menu how can i start it then?
[19:51] <A|i3N> i asked that same question at one time that's why I said xclip :) I needed to pipe command output or a txt file through it to be able to paste it in the GUI
[19:51] <Jonii> any list of ways to paste stuff and how to disable those would be handy
[19:51] <sponix> escott: got an issue, can I mesg you a bit ?
[19:51] <Jigal> hello i have installed netbeans in ubuntu but now i can't find it in my dash home  menu how can i start it then?
[19:52] <escott> sponix, its best to ask in channel. im not very familiar with virtualbox
[19:52] <sponix> escott: just don't want to flood, issue is it posts the UUID on those 5 disk as being the same
[19:52] <batlock> running from the live usb, where is the usb mounted
[19:52] <escott> !paste | sponix
[19:53] <The_situation> jigal look for in home of the dash
[19:53] <batlock> like i want to copy data from the pc's hdd to the live usb
[19:53] <batlock> where's it mounted
[19:53] <mactrent> Jigal, Try ubdatedb as root, then look again.
[19:53] <sponix> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/759666/
[19:54] <bastidrazor> batlock: where is what mounted?
[19:54] <sponix> do I just move down to using the SUB ?
[19:54] <batlock> the live usb
[19:54] <mamece2> escott: it frozen right before starting bluetooth, how can io avoid that?
[19:54] <batlock> bastidrazor, you boot from the live usb, but only have that usb to recover data, where is it mounted so i can put the data on it
[19:54] <escott> sponix, so thats ZFS for you. the UUID sub-ids are unique
[19:54] <Mahmoud> hi folks - why is the linux-image-3.0.0-13-generic is thirty freaking seven mega bytes?
[19:55] <batlock> bastidrazor, i need to be able to plug this usb into a windows machine so i can transfer the files there
[19:55] <mactrent> Jigal, Or you could press <alt>F2, type netbeans, then pin it to Unity.
[19:55] <Detergentizer> is ubuntu african word?
[19:55] <batlock> bastidrazor, so i need to know, in the live envrionment, where is the USB mounted.
[19:55] <Detergentizer> it sounds african when pronounced
[19:55] <batlock> THE usb that has been used to boot from
[19:56] <mamece2> where are all the services that are going to be started at the booting? i want to disable bluettooth
[19:56] <escott> Detergentizer, south african yes
[19:56] <batlock> dammit why can't anyone in here ever just know things, it seems the real keepers of information have all left this channel
[19:56] <bekks> batlock: "mount".
[19:56] <mamece2> ^
[19:56] <batlock> lol
[19:56] <bekks> That will show you all mountpoints.
[19:57] <escott> batlock, and the internal hdd wont be mounted until you open it in nautilus
[19:57] <bastidrazor> batlock: your lack of patience is amusing. you gave me less than 30 seconds to respond. enjoy
[19:58] <mamece2> where are all the services that are going to be started at the booting? i want to disable bluettooth
[19:58] <escott> mamece2, how frozen is it? is the capslock key working? does the light come on
[19:58] <Jigal> mactrent, updating db now
[19:58] <bastidrazor> !upstart > mamece2 :will have more info here.
[19:58] <mamece2> i already turn it off, my mom is out and i need to go
[19:59] <Mahmoud> smart female http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxOVgUTxniw&feature=related
[19:59] <mamece2> c ya guys
[19:59] <Mahmoud> ops, wrong channel
[19:59] <mamece2> thx for all
[19:59] <Jonii> also, anyone know any good irc channels where I could get help with different problems I'm having with ubuntu?
[20:00] <Sidewinder1> Detergentizer, You might find this of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29
[20:00] <yeats> !alis | Jonii
[20:00] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: here...? what kind of problems?
[20:00] <mactrent> Jonii: ##linux might also have some general help.
[20:01] <ikonia> Jonii: this channel will deal with ubuntu support issues
[20:01] <Jonii> aeon-ltd: i asked four different questions here the last hour, none got solutions, all but one got no replies whatsoever
[20:02] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: ask again :) really though what are they?
[20:02] <ikonia> Jonii: what question did you not get an answer to
[20:02] <enparo> Hi. Has someone solved the dual monitor problem on ubuntu 11.10? Are the propietary driver the solution?
[20:02] <ikonia> Jonii: you got the moonlight question explained
[20:02] <ikonia> Jonii: you got the cut and paste question answered
[20:02] <stephan> hello.
[20:03] <Atlantic777> enparo: which GPU do you have?
[20:03] <stephan> my xfce-terminal shows in the titlebar "Terminal Terminal Terminal Terminal ... " and various more "Terminal" repeats. what's that?
[20:03] <batlock> so    mount only shows /dev/sda1 which is the hdd
[20:03] <batlock> i need the mountpoint of the usb
[20:03] <batlock> wait
[20:03] <enparo> I have a radeon HD 5400 series
[20:03] <mactrent> enparo: I had absolutely no problems with an old Optiplex at the school lab.
[20:03] <Cheesy> So...
[20:04] <mactrent> stephan: Does this happen when you start it from the command line>
[20:05] <Cheesy> What is ubuntu?
[20:05] <Cheesy> Sorry for sounding like a complete moron.
[20:05] <Atlantic777> !ubuntu
[20:05] <Jonii> the ones I remember now are ubuntu + terminal(ssh + irssi) randomly pastes text when I try to type, and ubuntu uses around 25% more power than windows
[20:06] <Jonii> aeon-ltd
[20:06] <Cheesy> Ah.
[20:06] <Jonii> then...
[20:06] <Cheesy> I don't have Linus, though.
[20:06] <Cheesy> Linux*
[20:06] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: power? define
[20:06] <stephan> mactrent: i dunno i will test
[20:06] <Cheesy> I have windows. xD
[20:06] <Jigal> mactrent, updatedb didn't work
[20:06] <Gumby> hi all.  how does one create a stock xorg.conf?  I have X, however it is not displaying at the correct resolution for my LCD nor will it allow me to select that resolution.  I was hoping to create an xorg.conf and manually enter the settings but I don't have one to edit, and I am not sure of the defaults.
[20:06] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: as in literally power draw from the battery/psu?
[20:06] <mactrent> Jigal, As in, it still didn't find it?
[20:06] <Atlantic777> Cheesy: what are you waiting for? Try ubuntu...
[20:07] <Jonii> instead of 5,5h, i get around 4h of battery time
[20:07] <Jigal> it is still not in my menu
[20:07] <Cheesy> I can't right now.
[20:07] <Jigal> mactrent,
[20:07] <batlock> would i be looking for this " /cow on / type overlayfs"
[20:07] <Cheesy> I don't have enough RAM.
[20:07] <Atlantic777> Gumby: Xorg -configure
[20:07] <Sidewinder1> Cheesy, Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29
[20:07] <batlock> or does no one know where the usb mounts to when you boot from it via live mode?
[20:07] <Atlantic777> Cheesy: how much you have?
[20:07] <mactrent> Jigal, Ok, open up the terminal and type 'which netbeans', the tell me what shows up.
[20:07] <Cheesy> If I could try it, I would.
[20:07] <batlock> cuse it sure seems that way
[20:07] <Jonii> before tweaking powertop, i got less than 3h
[20:07] <Cheesy> I have about 500 mb.
[20:07] <Cheesy> It's insanely bad.
[20:08] <escott> batlock, do you have a persistent usb
[20:08] <Ndjdje> http://bit.ly/uPBolO
[20:08] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: there is really no way to change that without changing mass amounts of the system (but if you don't like it we can run through that) - running compiz/unity/gnome is almost the same as win7 with most of aero enabled
[20:08] <Atlantic777> batlock: enough for lubuntu...
[20:08] <Jigal> mactrent, nothing
[20:08] <Atlantic777> !lubuntu | Cheesy
[20:08] <Sidewinder1> Cheesy, You only need 384 meg of RAM for ubuntu desktop.
[20:08] <Ndjdje> http://bit.ly/uPBolO
[20:08] <batlock> Atlantic777, ??
[20:08] <enparo> So, any problem with the dual monitor on ubuntu 11.10?. I have read many places where people has the same problem, but not the solution
[20:08] <Cheesy> I have a virus also and I can't keep downloading stuff.
[20:08] <Cheesy> It's also not my desktop.
[20:08] <aeon-ltd> Cheesy: heh with ubuntu server and standalone openbox you could boot to under 100mb
[20:08] <li_noca> hi!
[20:09] <li_noca> hallo
[20:09] <aeon-ltd> Cheesy: or other OSes, i'm running arch with dwm with only 512mb i boot to 40-50mb
[20:09] <Atlantic777> +1
[20:09] <batlock> can anyone tell me where the usb stick mounts when you boot via live usb?
[20:09] <mactrent> Jigal, That's not good.  Try this: 'll /usr/bin|grep netbeans', where the thing between 'bin' and 'grep' is not a letter L.
[20:09] <batlock> i need to put data on it and can't find it
[20:10] <batlock> mount shows  /cow on / but i don't thinks this is it
[20:10] <Jonii> oh, i got a response to silverlight question, though i didnt get an answer to the question of if theres any version of silverlight for ubuntu thats still developed
[20:10] <Atlantic777> batlock: how much partitions you've got on that flash drive?
[20:10] <escott> batlock, can you please !paste your entire mount output. also please confirm you made a persistent liveusb with usb-creator-gtk
[20:10] <Atlantic777> Jonii: asc m$ guys. :D
[20:10] <Jigal> mactrent, same result : nothing
[20:10] <batlock> no i can't
[20:10] <Jigal> mactrent, but i did install it
[20:11] <batlock> can't paste, box has no internet
[20:11] <batlock> plus it's not physically here
[20:11] <batlock> Atlantic777, one
[20:11] <batlock> Atlantic777, used lili to install it on the usb
[20:11] <Jigal> mactrent, it's on a virtualbox machine
[20:11] <batlock> if you tell me that i can't put it there, i'mma just set root=(usb0,msdos1) and see what happens
[20:11] <Jonii> aeon-ltd: so ubuntu is by design significantly worse than windows when it comes to power management?
[20:11] <Atlantic777> batlock: don't know, I always make one more partition for data...
[20:11] <Cheesy> If I ever get a laptop, I'll try it, but at this moment, I don't think it's best.
[20:12] <mactrent> Jigal, I'd install it on my system to troubleshoot, but I'm running out of space on this partition.  The fact that it's a virtual machine shouldn't have anything to do with it.
[20:12] <Gumby> thanks Atlantic777
[20:12] <Gumby> I appreciate the help
[20:12] <atpa8a> hello
[20:12] <Jigal> mactrent, ok. how can i find the executable to run?
[20:12] <escott> batlock, its possible you created a non-persistent usb in which case you cannot save files on that usb stick. if you created a persistent on then you could try and put files in $HOME and see if they persist or try to find the fat32 partition and put files there. not sure what is preferred
[20:13] <batlock> now can i mount hte same drive to two different mount points?
[20:13] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: no/yes ubuntu or linux has never been great at power management for laptops, you could strip it down so cpu usage is at minimal when doing things like browsing, talking but using plugins like flash is gonna cripple it (it's pretty much the same for macs flash and other plugins reduce battery life massively)
[20:13] <bekks> batlock: by using mount -o bind
[20:13] <batlock> i found it's /dev/sdb1 on /cdrom
[20:13] <randomusr> !perl | randomusr
[20:13] <batlock> cool
[20:13] <enparo> quit
[20:14] <raffamaiden> hi. I have ubuntu 11. How can I add new software to the "open with list" that appear in right click->proprerty?
[20:14] <mactrent> Jigal, 'find / 2> /dev/null|grep netbeans' should show everything containing 'netbeans'.  I'm afraid that's all I have.
[20:14] <raffamaiden> in the open with tab I mean
[20:14] <atpa8a> getting 'no space left on device' but there's space on all drives. any idea?
[20:14] <escott> !info alacarte | raffamaiden
[20:14] <Jonii> aeon-ltd: i know that, that 4h is assuming im not doing anything related to audio or video or flash or anything
[20:14] <escott> atpa8a, what program is giving you this error message, what are you trying to do at the time
[20:15] <Jigal> mactrent, what's the extension of the executable
[20:15] <atpa8a> escott: apt-get -f install (after dist-upgrade)
[20:15] <mactrent> Jigal, Since Unix doesn't need extensions, there usually isn't one.
[20:15] <Jonii> its more like 2,5h if anything other than text editing is done
[20:15] <raffamaiden> @escott: its 40MB big!
[20:15] <escott> atpa8a, and you can confirm there is space with df -h
[20:15] <Cheesy> So, I heard they want to censor the internet. How do you guys and gals feel about that?
[20:16] <mactrent> Jigal, And I highly doubt netbeans would want one.
[20:16] <Jigal> ok
[20:16] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: but are you running compiz/unity or any kind of compositing special effects applications? also daemons/services in the background
[20:16] <escott> raffamaiden, alacarte is only 348k. if you are using kubuntu use the kde version of the menu editor
[20:16] <atpa8a> escott: yup
[20:16] <myrmidette> I'm trying to get my history to ignore stuff I run multiple times in a row and have run into a problem
[20:16] <Atlantic777> Cheesy: this is ubuntu support chan, please ask ubuntu related questions.
[20:16] <Sidewinder1> !ot | Cheesy
[20:16] <Jonii> compiz yes
[20:16] <Cheesy> Oh.
[20:16] <Cheesy> Sorry.
[20:16] <Sidewinder1> :D
[20:17] <Jonii> is that bad?
[20:17] <atpa8a> escott: highest in-use is 36%
[20:17] <escott> atpa8a, what are you trying to install
[20:17] <Cheesy> Isn't there a chat for 'chatting'?
[20:17] <myrmidette> here's my output
[20:17] <escott> !ot | Cheesy
[20:17] <myrmidette> andrey@spider ~ $ sudo export HISTCONTROL=erasedups
[20:17] <myrmidette> sudo: export: command not found
[20:17] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: next time you are at full charge try running without compiz
[20:17] <raffamaiden> @ecott: cannot do that. I do not want to add a program in the main menu
[20:17] <raffamaiden> I want to open all exe files with mono
[20:17] <atpa8a> escott: linux-image and linux-headers
[20:17] <escott> myrmidette, its not a command, its a bash builtin
[20:17] <Sidewinder1> Cheesy, Yes, just join #ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:17] <myrmidette> oh
[20:17] <escott> myrmidette, what you mean to do is edit /root/.bashrc
[20:17] <Jonii> aeon-ltd: i can check it with powertop
[20:18] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: it's likely to help, it's another thing for the cpu to do so yeah it probably does reduce battery life
[20:18] <escott> atpa8a, sounds like you dont have space on your /boot partition
[20:18] <raffamaiden> I select an exe file, right click on it, select property, and then the open with tab, but mono is not in the list
[20:18] <Jonii> how to disable it?
[20:18] <myrmidette> the tutorial lists it as a command :(
[20:18] <bekks> raffamaiden: You cannot open .exe files with mono.
[20:18] <atpa8a> escott: /boot is on / really
[20:18] <Jonii> whats compiz anyway?
[20:19] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: something like - alt-f2 'metacity --replace'
[20:19] <escott> myrmidette, well its technically not, nor is what you would be doing sensible. you would start a bash shell export the variable and then close the bash shell without ever doing anything
[20:19] <aeon-ltd> !compiz | Jonii
[20:19] <raffamaiden> @bekks: why, I can from the command line
[20:19] <aeon-ltd> Jonii: well it handles special effects and window management for ubuntu by default
[20:19] <batlock> ok anyone really know live usb environment?
[20:19] <mactrent> Jonii, You'll need a 'sudo' in that statement ^
[20:19] <batlock> it says /dev/sdb1 is mounted on /cdrom
[20:19] <escott> atpa8a, are you sure you are reading df -h correctly?
[20:19] <batlock> but when we try to -o bind it to /media/usbdisk   it says 'cannot find /dev/sdb1'
[20:20] <raffamaiden> anyway, I just want to add a software that there isn't to the open with tab
[20:20] <atpa8a> escott: :) yes
[20:20] <escott> batlock, bind the mountpoint to the mountpoint
[20:20] <bekks> batlock: according to man mount it should be like this: mount -o bind /cdrom /media/usbdisk
[20:20] <atpa8a> Filesystem    Type    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[20:20] <atpa8a> /dev/vda1    btrfs     11G  3.2G  5.6G  36% /
[20:20] <batlock> frack
[20:20] <batlock> okay
[20:21] <batlock> can we do -o rw ?
[20:21] <escott> atpa8a, ahhh butter-fs. you need to read the btfs wiki. df -h is not accurate for butter
[20:21] <msergiu80> I have an ubuntu server 11.04 text mode only installed in a vm
[20:21] <batlock> becks can we do -o rw ?
[20:21] <bekks> batlock: No.
[20:21] <atpa8a> hmm
[20:21] <msergiu80> it starts at 640 resolution
[20:21] <batlock> that's not helpful then
[20:21] <atpa8a> really?..
[20:21] <escott> batlock, you most likely dont have space for the metadata
[20:21] <batlock> i need to be able to write to the usb stick
[20:21] <msergiu80> is there any way Ican start at a higher resolution?
[20:21] <batlock> 16gb usb disk better have space
[20:22] <escott> atpa8a, not batlock sorry. btrfs manages metadata and data separately df -h does not understand this
[20:22] <escott> atpa8a, you may need to rebalance
[20:22] <atpa8a> hmm
[20:22] <atpa8a> ok
[20:22] <batlock> ooh
[20:22] <atpa8a> reading
[20:22] <batlock> lol
[20:22] <atpa8a> thanks
[20:22] <msergiu80> ?
[20:22] <batlock> bekks, so how can i write to /dev/sdb1 (the live usb) while i'm in the live env?
[20:23] <mactrent> msergiu80, I believe that would be up to your virtual machine manager - it tells the operating system what hardware it has.
[20:23] <msergiu80> there is no mention of that in vmserver
[20:23] <escott> batlock, how did you make this live usb?
[20:23] <msergiu80> though in vmware workstation I remember being able to specify
[20:23] <batlock> LILI
[20:24] <batlock> and it's not me, i'm tryin to help someone else
[20:24] <questions>  i am sorry to ask again but i got side-tracked and did not write down the answer to this question. can anyone tell me how to set the system to lock the screen after 2 1/2 hours at a terminal or in oneric/unity?
[20:24] <escott> batlock, i would just save something to $HOME and see if it is persisted
[20:24] <[clay]> is there a default installed vnc server in ubuntu 11.10?
[20:24] <escott> batlock, i dont know a thing about LILI, but that cow overlay is suggestive
[20:24] <mactrent> msergiu80, I'm afraid I don't know about vmserver, as I'm used to VirtualBox.
[20:25] <batlock> but we need to be able to just plug it into a windows box to copy
[20:25] <bekks> [clay]: none you would like to use :)
[20:25] <[clay]> bekks, lol i think i have one installed and i need to start it via command line, but i can't remember what it is
[20:25] <escott> batlock, that may not be possible. but you could boot the livecd and then copy from the livecd to windows
[20:25] <bekks> [clay]: "vncserver".
[20:25] <[clay]> nope
[20:26] <[clay]> what's a good one i can install?
[20:26] <bekks> 1204 212545 < bekks> [clay]: "vncserver".
[20:26] <escott> batlock, whether or not you can save to the fat32 partition underlying the usb depends on how lili configures stuff. we don't even know if there is a fat32 partition
[20:26] <msergiu80> thx anyway
[20:26] <[clay]> i thought you were saying that's not a good one to use :D
[20:26] <mactrent> [clay], I'd recommend TeamViewer for its extra features - it's not in the repositories, but at teamviewer.org.
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:27] <bekks> mactrent: The missing killer feature of teamviewer is that you cant tunnel it through ssh.
[20:27] <Jonii> metacity seems to lack most of the functionality you need for basic navigation in windowed environment :/
[20:28] <mactrent> bekks, Good point.  I'll have to look into that...
[20:28] <mactrent> Jonii, That's why Ubuntu's default is now Compiz.
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> I got a short question on the ubuntu forums if that is OK?
[20:28] <batlock> escott, thx that's probably what we're going to do
[20:29] <batlock> THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE HELP I'M SORRY I WAS IMPATIENT
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> I got a connection to a place in Estonia there, but this seems to be mystatus.skype.com
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> so that is OK?
[20:29] <delitti> test
[20:29] <escott> Lunar_Lamp, are you running skype?
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> no, not at the moment
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> but I got it installed
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> it seems to be when a person has a skype button in the forums
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> and that is loaded from mystatus.skype.com
[20:31] <questions> does anyone know how to set the screen to lock after longer than 1 hour on unity, probably using the terminal?
[20:31] <escott> Lunar_Lamp, ok. so its the browser calling in to skype.com. if you sit there and monitor all the places your browser will call into when you are browsing the web its scary
[20:31] <LycoLoco> hi all! I'm wondering if ubuntu has a backup program in a similar vein to Fedora's "sosreport" that collects what kernel is running, what drivers are loaded, and various configuration files for common services.
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> escott: yeah and according to robtex, mystatus.skype.com is indeed in estonia
[20:31] <escott> questions, have you checked dconf/gconf/gsettings?
[20:31] <LycoLoco> and puts them into a tar/tar.gz archive?
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> and skype seems to hav e a place there
[20:31] <questions> escott, thank you
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> do you mean me or Lyco escott=
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> I didn't know that someone in here is named questions
[20:32] <root_____> How can I install a mp3 codec???
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> thank you escott, I am still paranoid from my Windows days although I was told that ubuntu can't get a virus and so on
[20:32] <escott> Lunar_Lander, yeah. not the best name. right up there with ubuntu
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:33] <escott> Lunar_Lamp, well its not so much that it can't but that its not really a target
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> but ubuntu isn't invincible when I red it right
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> *read
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> also, earlier, Pidgin dropped out of ICQ connection
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> and that was scary too
[20:33] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: have you read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?
[20:33] <mactrent> Lunar_Lander, No operating system can fully protect itself from its users.
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> is it paranoid to run terminal, xterm (with netstat and ifconfig) and wireshark?
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> LycoLoco: no, sorry
[20:34] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: just remember, DON'T PANIC :)
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:34] <OerHeks> root_____, install restricted extras from softwarecentre
[20:34] <_johnny> hi, i'm running my own CA (for internal use in my company), and for fun i've been meaning to get EV on certain domains to get green bars with names (like https://github.com/ has). i've added businessCategory and a few others, and they're in the signed certificate - however it doesn't display. so: can anyone verify that this is the right way, or am i barking up the wrong tree? :)
[20:35] <OerHeks> root_____, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[20:35] <escott> _johnny, the proper way to get a CA certificate these days seems to be hacking into a CA server. have you tried that? but seriously this may not be the best channel for that question. maybe ask in an apache channel or the server channel
[20:35] <root_____> I do not have software center I am on backtrack
[20:35] <escott> !backtrack | root_____
[20:35] <bekks> root_____: We dont support backtrack in here.
[20:36] <escott> !rootirc | root_____
[20:36] <OerHeks> sorry root_____  not supported here
[20:36] <root_____> The back track channel is empty
[20:36] <_johnny> escott: thanks, i've been looking for the ubuntuserver channel, but it seems to be empty. do you know a proper one i can try?
[20:36] <bekks> Phillip1: We dont care about that :)
[20:36] <escott> !alis | _johnny, i think it is #ubuntu-server
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> btw talking about panic LycoLoco and escott, yesterday I noticed a connection that was caused by banshee and later found out that it probably just was asking at last.fm
[20:36] <Phillip1> Do you guys hate backtrack or something?
[20:36] <_johnny> escott: thanks :)
[20:37] <[Xaronic]> Phillip1, these people dont hate it, they just dont support it
[20:37] <[Xaronic]> It's not their software
[20:37] <mactrent> Phillip1, I certainly don't.   Gnome-settings-daemon is still installed, but when I try to run it, it says "The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
[20:37] <escott> Phillip1, yesterday a guy came in here running FreeBSD. what exactly does he expect us to do? its not our OS, and neither is bt
[20:38] <velociostrich> I don't know jack about dbus or how to fix this
[20:38] <escott> velociostrich, sounds like gnome-session is not installed/not running
[20:39] <mactrent> [clay], Use the dash to find Startup Applications, then you can manually add an entry there.
[20:39] <velociostrich> escott: That's all I could make of it, and I installed gnome-session and even rebooted but to no avail
[20:39] <[clay]> mactimes, it's a headlesss system ;\
[20:39] <OerHeks> Phillip1, if you are smart to use backtrack, you wouldn't ask for a mp3-codec
[20:39] <Phillip1> Backtrack will use the same commands
[20:40] <escott> velociostrich, you are in a weird position. you are trying to run dbus, gnome-session, but you want fvwm as your WM
[20:40] <Phillip1> I just want to know how I can install mp3 playback with apt-get install
[20:40] <mactrent> [clay], Then how would they even get to Unity?  Autologin?
[20:40] <bekks> Phillip1: It isnt our distro, we dont support it.
[20:40] <hsmod> anyone know much about ssh x forward?  I'm ssh x forwarding firefox from one oneiric to another over the net, i'm using the '-X -C -c blowfish-cbc,arcfour ' optimization and i don't think it's the network that's causing the slowness because ANYTHING i do locally on my workstation becomes slow.  such as even typing in irc channel
[20:40] <[clay]> mactrent, heck if i know. nevermind anyway, i figured out how to do what i needed w/ command line
[20:40] <[Xaronic]> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/mzwia/under_sopa_you_could_get_5_years_for_uploading_a/
[20:40] <[Xaronic]> wow
[20:40] <mactrent> Phillip1, I'd use VLC - it'll look for the plugins for you.
[20:40] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: heh, I can understand that, I've worried about connections before that shouldn't have been there that turned out to be completely harmless
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> LycoLoco: yeah
[20:40] <mactrent> Phillip1, I'd use VLC - it'll look for the plugins for you.
[20:41] <Phillip1> VLC Is not opening at all for some reason.
[20:41] <velociostrich> escott: I'm not trying to run gnome-session, just gnome-settings-daemon. I have done this successfully on the latest Ubuntu and for years prior. I don't know what I did in installing/removing packages, but I can't get gnome-settings-daemon to work.
[20:41] <Phillip1> How can I uninstall programs?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> LycoLoco: you see, this summer I got a trojan alert by AdAware which caused me to wipe the HDD and that caused a neverending story
[20:41] <mactrent> [clay], That's cool.  How'd you do it, SSH -X?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> I think I wiped and reinstalled Windows about six times since July
[20:41] <Jigal> mactrent, I have installed it again
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> just because I thought I caught something by mistyping an URL or so
[20:42] <Jigal> but still no solution mactr
[20:42] <escott> velociostrich, what version of ubuntu are you running
[20:42] <Jigal> mactrent,
[20:42] <velociostrich> escott: 11.10
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> and then I decided to go to ubuntu LycoLoco
[20:42] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: what kind of never ending story?
[20:42] <LycoLoco> ahh
[20:42] <mactrent> Jigal, And how's it work now?
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> my parents also said I am paranoid
[20:42] <Phillip1> Although I am using backtrack, can I stay in this IRC to help people?
[20:42] <Jigal> mactrent, it still does not appear in the menu
[20:42] <Jigal> should i reboot first?
[20:42] <velociostrich> escott: It worked up until I made those changes. I was attempting to remove some superfluous (mainly unity-related) packages. Do you know of a package list for a clean install that perhaps I could compare mine to?
[20:43] <escott> velociostrich, there is a change with the gnome settings. the backend is switched to dconf from gconf, and there is this gsettings utility which is new
[20:43] <LycoLoco> well you'er right that linux is going to be more secure from the ground up than windows is....but just remember, if you open ports and run services you don't need, you could be in just as bad of a situation
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah LycoLoco
[20:43] <mactrent> Jigal, At this point I'd say yes, though I don't know that it'd do anything.  Any more input from the rest of the channel?
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> and when I just go on Firefox and pidgin and thunderbird?
[20:44] <escott> velociostrich, the package list for a clean install is ubuntu-desktop. what unity stuff were you removing?
[20:44] <mankand007> hi all... i tried syncing my ipod shuffle with banshee, and it appears to be succcessful, but nothing gets reflected in my device... please help...
[20:44] <velociostrich> escott: Plenty, like the overlay scrollbars, unity2d, unity related libraries, etc., which tries to install gnome-shell, which I avoided somehow. I thought I had removed most of the cruft before but there were a few packages that I then tried to remove. That was perhaps two hours ago, and since then I've been having trouble getting thins to work again.
[20:45] <raffamaiden> How can I add a software to the open with menu
[20:45] <raffamaiden> ?
[20:45] <velociostrich> escott: I did accidentally remove the lightdm greeter package not realizing what it was and had some difficulty reinstalling it (but it works now)
[20:45] <milen8204> Hов то мake Gnome Keyboard Indicator Show Country Flags in Ubuntu 11.10 anyone can help me ?
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah I got a question there LycoLoco and escott: My update manager is set to something like display important updates daily and recommended updates weekly and I noticed that there are important updates when the symbol of the update manager shortly appeared on the left side of the screen
[20:45] <raffamaiden> I want to launch a command line command when I double click on a kdbx file
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> however I was told that a red or orange exclaimation mark will appear in the top bar
[20:46] <milen8204>  *How to make Gnome Keyboard Indicator Show Country Flags in Ubuntu 11.10 anyone can help me ?
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> is ths in 11.10?
[20:46] <escott> velociostrich, im not sure what to tell you. you obviously broke something. unless your hard drive is running out of space what exactly is the problem with having stuff installed if you dont use it. and the correct way to disable those scrollbars is to use an environment variable
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> or is that for 10.4?
[20:46] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: personally I like using apt-get update to get my updates, and I'm not currently on 11.10, so I'm not entirely sure
[20:46] <LycoLoco> you could fire up a VM if you wanted to find out though
[20:46] <mankand007> hi all... i tried syncing my ipod shuffle with banshee, and it appears to be succcessful, but nothing gets reflected in my device... please help...
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah OK
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> LycoLoco: VM with 10.4?
[20:46] <diesch> raffamaiden: you need to create a .desktop file for it
[20:47] <mankand007> i have ubuntu 11.10
[20:47] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: yeah, althoguh it sounds like mankand007 might be able to check for you if he's willing
[20:47] <velociostrich> escott: I was unaware of the environment variable, and yes, disk space is a bit of an issue. (I don't need to be told how cheap HD's are these days, though). I don't know a thing about dbus, or I wouldn't be asking
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:47] <Phillip1> Hey
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> I got 11.10 too
[20:47] <klj613> how do i remove a symbolic link ?
[20:48] <velociostrich> escott: I can't find any real information on D-Bus besides high level talk. I don't know how its configured or anything
[20:48] <__TALISH__> HEY
[20:48] <mankand007> it works fine with gtkpod, but i wish it would work with banshee....
[20:48] <[Xaronic]> velociostrich, HDD's arn't cheap atm, with the floods etc
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> mankand007: what signals do you get when updates are available?
[20:48] <mactrent> klj613, You can either do rm like a normal file, or unlink.
[20:48] <klj613> mactrent: thanks, wanted to make sure as i dont want it to cascade over to the source of the symlink
[20:48] <Shshgsts> http://bit.ly/uPBolO
[20:49] <mankand007> Lunar_Lander: i'm sorry there's a confusion.. i'm talking about my ipod shuffle...
[20:49] <escott> velociostrich, the complexity in dbus is in the interaction between applications, not dbus itself. so understanding it means understanding all the interactions between all the applications
[20:49] <raffamaiden> @diesch: can you point me in the right direction? Only found instruction to add software to the main menus
[20:49] <Shshgsts> http://bit.ly/uPBolO
[20:49] <velociostrich> [Xaronic]: That's odd, you're right -- they do seem to be twice as expensive atm
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok mankand007
[20:49] <__TALISH__> How can I run windows inside ubuntu?
[20:49] <mactrent> klj613, Right.  In the help for rm, it specifies how you could follow the link, but that's not the default.  Good question.
[20:49] <escott> raffamaiden, there is a desktop-file-install utility if you dont want to use alacart
[20:50] <mankand007> can anybody help me with my ipod shuffle sync problem with banshee...?
[20:50] <hsmod> anyone else know how i can X forward to my workstaiton without it slowing down the entire computer?
[20:50] <[Xaronic]> velociostrich, the floods in thailand stopped production. So prices sky rocketed
[20:50] <milen8204> How to make Gnome Keyboard Indicator Show Country Flags in Ubuntu 11.10 anyone can help me ?
[20:50] <mactrent> __TALISH__, Try the Ubuntu installer, Wubi.exe.  You can get it from Ubuntu.com
[20:50] <qmanjr5> How would I update iOS for my iPod on Ubuntu? I'm using Banshee as my media player
[20:50] <escott> hsmod, how much cpu load is the ssh process adding
[20:50] <hsmod> hsmod, it's about 25%-50%
[20:50] <[Xaronic]> qmanjr5, you can't. Only iTunes lets you do it. Unless itunes can run in wine
[20:50] <Sidewinder1> !wine | __TALISH__
[20:50] <mankand007> qmanjr5, i don't think that's possible..
[20:50] <qmanjr5> ....
[20:50] <qmanjr5> Are you both serious right now?
[20:50] <hsmod> escott, it's about 25-50% used by compiz
[20:50] <velociostrich> escott: Well, I don't understand why gnome-settings-daemon would report that gnome-session "was not provided by any .service files". I don't know what those .service files are or where they might be, but I do know that I have gnome-session-bin installed. I don't know if perhaps I need that daemon running as well; I don't know what those .service files provide
[20:50] <escott> qmanjr5, you would boot windows or mac and update from the apple program
[20:51] <hsmod> oh the ssh process specifically, is not taking much
[20:51] <qmanjr5> Wow....
[20:51] <qmanjr5> Well then, I'll be back I guess. :\ Can I at least sync music with it?
[20:51] <escott> hsmod, compiz should not be using that much cpu. thats your problem. and this is only triggered by forwarding?
[20:51] <raffamaiden> @escott: cann find the way to use alacarte to do what I want. It seems alacarte is only able to modify the main menus
[20:51] <[Xaronic]> Yeh qmanjr5
[20:51] <mactrent> mankand007, I'm afraid Apple keeps updating their protocols simply so program slike Banshee can't work with them.
[20:51] <qmanjr5> [Xaronic], thanks
[20:51] <raffamaiden> I want to add a software to the "open with" menu
[20:52] <diesch> raffamaiden: http://askubuntu.com/questions/72535/creating-desktop-files-to-use-on-the-open-with-other-application-tab
[20:52] <mankand007> mactrent.. it's working with gtkpod..
[20:52] <raffamaiden> I want to open kdbx files with KeePass
[20:52] <Sidewinder1> !rootirc | __TALISH__
[20:52] <raffamaiden> But keepass is not in the menu
[20:52] <mactrent> mankand007, Then they have a more recent protocol.
[20:52] <mankand007> mactrent: hmm..
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> ah yeah LycoLoco how do I avoid running something as root?
[20:52] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: in what way?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> I only run something as root when I use sudo, right?
[20:53] <LycoLoco> if you run something as a normal user it shouldn't run as root
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> well it says "don't run programs as root"
[20:53] <LycoLoco> yep, that's correct
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:53] <lighta> how can I set meld with rapidsvn ? difftool = usr/bin/meld ??
[20:53] <LycoLoco> if you see # you're running as root
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:53] <LycoLoco> if you see $ you're running as a regular user
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> and when I do sudo, it wants my login
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> the login for the PC
[20:53] <LycoLoco> so yeah, if you don't see # or use sudo, you'll not run anything as root
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:53] <hsmod> escott, ya, only doing that causes compiz to run that high
[20:53] <LycoLoco> yep, for that user that you currently are
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:53] <LycoLoco> sudo means "as super user, do..."
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:54] <escott> hsmod, odd. you could switch to a 2d desktop. not clear what would be causing that. what version is the remote system?
[20:54] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: all clear now?
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> yes, thanks
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:54] <hsmod> both systems are oneiric
[20:54] <hsmod> i'll try the 2d desktop suggestion though, that might be a good idea
[20:54] <hsmod> thanks
[20:55] <LycoLoco> Lunar_Lander: glad to be of help
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> :) thanks
[20:56] <Sidewinder1> !rootirc | Guest63251
[20:56] <escott> raffamaiden, look at the .desktop files in /usr/share and make your own for KeePass, validate it with desktop-file-validate and then install it
[20:58] <raffamaiden> I got it
[20:59] <raffamaiden> thanks you
[21:00] <benbloom> is it better to install 64b on an intel celeron 450? it is INTEL64 rather than AMD64, but from my research the two are the same in this regard?
[21:01] <escott> benbloom the term amd64 comes from amd defining the 64bit instruction set. intel just copied it. as to what is better for your machine it depends on a lot of things
[21:01] <dw1> Hello: Looking for advice on file system choice for third "user files" partition when I set up dual boot with Windows 7 system on NTFS partition and ubuntu on ext 4
[21:01] <dw1>  I know that ntfs and ext4 (or perhaps ext3) are both possible choices, but which is preferred, and why?
[21:02] <escott> dw1, windows access to ext4 is not good. and linux cannot fix errors in ntfs. for linux use ext4 is preferred
[21:02] <bekks> dw1: ntfs, because windows 7 cannot access ext4.
[21:02] <benbloom> thanks escott. so how should I decide if it's right for my machine? I'm happy to read up on it but not sure where to look
[21:03] <dw1> bekks: but I have been told that Windows can access at least ext3?
[21:03] <escott> benbloom, i would say just use the 64bit if it is available to you
[21:03] <bekks> dw1: Not natively, but only using 3rd party tools. I do not recommend using them.
[21:03] <dw1> bekks: OK
[21:04] <escott> benbloom, unless you have very little ram <2GB
[21:04] <benbloom> k. that's what i was thinking escott. i'm happy with 64b on my other pc.
[21:04] <dw1> It seems to me essential - to get the real benefit of dual boot - to share a user files partition of some kind. Maybe I will try ntfs then
[21:04] <mactrent> Hilikus, I'm telling you this because I think I'd want to know - your cloak didn't load until after you were in.
[21:04] <robin0800> dw1: I use fat32 for my data partition works fine for me
[21:05] <Sidewinder1> dw1, And if you're planning to shrink the NTFS partition, remember to defragment it, at least twice, prior shrinking.
[21:05] <celthunder> dw1: ntfs for the windows partition and ext3 for the linux ones (you can mount ext3 in windows but not ext4)
[21:05] <bekks> dw1: robin0800: fta32 cant be used with files > 4GB.
[21:05] <dw1> robin0800: I had not even thought of that. Maybe you have something there
[21:05] <mactrent> robin0800, FAT32 is much less robust than NTFS, though it is smaller.
[21:05] <Hilikus> mactrent: its ok, thank you
[21:05] <__TALISH__> How do i un-install files?
[21:05] <theadmin> __TALISH__: Sorry lolwut?
[21:06] <bekks> __TALISH__: which ubuntu do you have?
[21:07] <dw1> celthunder: I have pretty much decided on ntfs for the windows system installation and ext4 for the linux system. My question is what is best for a third "user files" partition for files that I want to be able to work on from a choice of OSs
[21:07] <lighta> ntfs dw1
[21:07] <Phrogz_> Due to an rsync mistake I have /foo/bar and /foo/bar/bar; what's the best way to merge the contents of the sub-folder-hierarchy with the parent folder hierarchy?
[21:07] <robin0800> bekks: that's ok I don;t have any files that big
[21:08] <celthunder> dw1: ntfs then
[21:08] <dw1> answers I have received here in the last few minutes seem to exclude ext4 for this thrid partition, but leave possible choices of ntfs, fat32, or ext3
[21:08] <Cataclysm> how do i see session in 11.10? i cant even see my open windows, what the heck?
[21:08] <escott> dw1, ntfs if you intent to share files between the OSes, but make sure your windows system can boot, because it is the only way to fix the NTFS partition
[21:08] <lighta> ext3 you may have issue with windows
[21:08] <lighta> fat32 or ntfs that up to you
[21:08] <dw1> But I get the feeling that the general tendency expressed here is to prefer ntfs - so maybe that's my answer
[21:09] <EvilResistance> dw1:  i'd do NTFS if the partition is going to be holding files that are greater than 4GB
[21:09] <EvilResistance> because FAT32 has a limit
[21:09] <Cataclysm> what happened to session viewing in 11.10? do they expect us to not handle more than two windows at once?????
[21:09] <dw1> escott: I am committed to keeping both OSs working due to S/W I have got to use - so that's OK
[21:10] <lighta> well if windows would support other thing, I'd told you ext4 or whatever, but it's not the case so, then beetwen fat32 and ntfs you already know the diff so here the choice
[21:10] <benbloom> Phrogz_: did u get an answer?
[21:10] <Cataclysm> wait is unity the session management
[21:10] <Cataclysm> omfg
[21:11] <vbajpai> vbajpai: trying to install ubuntu server guest on ubuntu server host using kvm, I get a graphics mode 640x480 screen; what do I do now?
[21:11] <vbajpai> vbajpai: I tried, hitting escape blindly and then typing: install fb=false and then enter, but nothing happened
[21:11] <dw1> lighta: but celthunder says above that Windows will mount ext3 OK but not ext4 (and I had already been told something similar by a work colleague, I believe)
[21:11] <__TALISH__> How do I uninstall programs I have a really old version of ubuntu
[21:12] <dw1> so it seems still I must choose between fat32, ext3 and ntfs for the shared partition
[21:12] <bekks> __TALISH__: Which ubuntu version do you have then?
[21:12] <escott> dw1, yes there is a driver, but there are more people using (and therefore testing) the ntfs driver for linux than testing the ext3 driver for windows
[21:12] <mactrent> __TALISH__, apt-get remove <program>
[21:12] <lighta> maybe, when I tryed wasn't the case, maybe they update it
[21:12] <dw1> escott: Yes, assuming true, that would be a very important point you make.
[21:12] <dw1> -safety in numbers
[21:12] <Cataclysm> this is so stupid. well im switching to xubuntu, see you guys
[21:13] <jrshaul> A friend of mine wants to install to empty space on a hard drive with a 2.2TB Windows partition. However, he gets an error saying that this is not possible.
[21:13] <jrshaul> I've never seen this before. What's going on?
[21:13] <escott> jrshaul, probably a gpt issue. what version of the installer is he using
[21:14] <jrshaul> Latest one - just burnt.
[21:14] <theadmin> jrshaul: Aren't you supposed to create a partition to install to first?
[21:14] <dw1> I think I'm going to go off and do complete the install with ntfs for the users' partition. -Thanks to all of your for opinions and info
[21:14] <jrshaul> He's trying to use the default "install alongside windows" option. However, anything I suggest seems to be throwing the same error message.
[21:15] <escott> jrshaul, try the manual partitioning
[21:15] <jrshaul> It doesn't seem to be working, though I am helping someone remotely (augh.)
[21:15] <jrshaul> I get" Error: partition length of<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors exceeds the msdos-partition-table-imposed maximum". It seems to be preventing the ubuntu installer from doing anything.
[21:16] <escott> jrshaul, well if he has an msdos partition table on a 2.2TB disk then the end of the disk is inaccessbile
[21:16] <escott> jrshaul, he could try and switch to gpt using gdisk, and perhaps he has a hybrid gpt/msdos partition table which could confuse things
[21:16] <escott> jrshaul, install and use gdisk to figure out what is going on
[21:17] <jrshaul> It's just a standard Win7 install.
[21:17] <escott> jrshaul, that doesnt mean much
[21:17] <Sidewinder1> jrshaul, And if he plans on shrinking the NTFS partition, remember to Defragment first!
[21:17] <jrshaul> When I say "standard win7 install", I mean that there's nothing on the disk but Win7 and some empty space.
[21:17] <escott> jrshaul, again that doesnt mean much
[21:17] <jrshaul> Huh. Should shrinking the NTFS partition fix it?
[21:17] <escott> jrshaul, install and use gdisk
[21:18] <jrshaul> escott: It throws an error.
[21:18] <escott> jrshaul, disk throws an error?
[21:18] <escott> jrshaul, gdisk that is
[21:20] <escott> jrshaul, this documentation is very thorough http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/
[21:21] <apaso63> ciao!!
[21:21] <HQRaja> Any of you know the channel for Linux Mint?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> !mint
[21:21] <HQRaja> Thanks
[21:22] <`MArceLL`> %/s -m irc.spotchat.org
[21:22] <Sidewinder1> !it | apaso63
[21:24] <HQRaja> Bleh...I thought /server -s would work in Xchat
[21:24] <HQRaja> -m*
[21:25]  * HQRaja sues `MArceLL` for making him disconnect
[21:25] <pyromaniac77> hello, i have little images next to all my menu options (eg save, quit, open) does anyone know how to make them go away
[21:26] <moo-> running 11.10 on a laptop with VIA Chrome 9 HC IGP and the mouse pointer have a flickering square
[21:26] <moo-> what to do?
[21:27] <moo-> can i switch other device driver? i think it use openchrome, right?
[21:27] <moo-> but ubuntu say unknown
[21:27] <pyromaniac77> hello, i have little images next to all my menu options (eg save, quit, open) does anyone know how to make them go away
[21:28] <velociostrich> Would someone with a reasonably clean installation be so kind as to provide the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' to pastebin for me?
[21:28] <velociostrich> Verison 11.10
[21:28] <pyromaniac77> sure one minute
[21:30] <pyromaniac77> ...oops. i guess my install isnt clean enough. terminal ran out of space.
[21:30] <Foulad> when i trey to use RDP remote desktop , its not working ?
[21:31] <Foulad> with windows
[21:31] <velociostrich> pyromaniac77: lol, just dump the output to a temporary file then copy-paste?
[21:31] <Foulad> any one tried remote desktop viewer ? the built it one
[21:32] <HQRaja> OK since my question has to do with both Mint and Ubuntu, I'll ask here too.
[21:33] <artistx> hello
[21:34] <Crup> Hey, if I install a linux on a usb flashdrive, when I install additional softwares they're installed on the flashdrive, right?
[21:34] <escott> Crup, yes
[21:35] <Crup> escott, Okay, and how about the drivers ? Same thing, i suppose ?
[21:35] <escott> Crup, yes
[21:35] <Crup> ty
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: you can use VNC from Windows to Ubuntu to remote control
[21:35] <HQRaja> I recently tried out both Ubuntu 11.10 and Linux Mint 12. I liked Ubuntu better overall, so I chose it over Mint, but I really liked Mint's Software Manager better than Ubuntu's Software Center when it comes to the default apps available in these two programs.
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> Foulad: what are you connecting for? There are often sleeker solutions
[21:36] <HQRaja> Now is there a way to get Mint's Software Manager in Ubuntu, or a list of repositories it uses to show those extra apps that Ubuntu Software Center doesn't show by default?
[21:36] <bekks> HQRaja: We dont support Mint in here.
[21:36] <HQRaja> And can the Ubuntu Software Center be made to show all those apps by adding those repositories?
[21:37] <HQRaja> bekks: I am using Ubuntu and asking about how to get something on Ubuntu, not Mint
[21:37] <escott> HQRaja, no dont do that. figure out the name of the software in mint that you like and see if it is available in ubuntu. but dont mix packages from one distro to the other
[21:37] <dw1> I know sector size is almost always 512bytes, but how does one confirm this on a new PC?
[21:37] <bekks> HQRaja: But we dont know anything about Mint. Ask their support :)
[21:38] <escott> dw1, hdparm can sometimes tell, but newer 4k drives will lie because windows XP can't handle anything bur 512b
[21:38] <HQRaja> bekks: Heh if I'd ask their support, they'd be like we don't support Ubuntu here...the thing is, I just want one feature of Mint in ubuntu...I'm not using or planning to use Mint =)
[21:38] <sx_usr__> hi, i am now on kernel 3.1.2 but the issue with bluetooth transfer still not working...
[21:38] <sx_usr__> anyone has the answer to that?
[21:38] <HQRaja> escott: Well, take chrome for instance. In Ubuntu Software Center, only chromium is available, not chrome.
[21:39] <Vaag256> I have a bit of an odd problem, I'm trying to use @font-face css and while it works in FF 3.62 and FF 8 on windows, it doesnt do so on ubuntu in the same versions, the same goes for chromium, leading me to believe that the problem is linux related
[21:39] <theadmin> HQRaja: Chrome is Chromium + Google support.
[21:39] <escott> dw1, wikipedia is not a bad reference for these things. i know the WD green drives are 4k
[21:39] <HQRaja> And there are many other applications too, that don't show up in ubuntu but do in Mint...so I was figuring that since it isn't entirely a different distro but rather based on Ubuntu with additional stuff, maybe I could get all that in Ubuntu too?
[21:40] <Vaag256> whats even weirder, the font-face does work when zooming out on linux browsers. (this sounds crazy, because it is) I can post an example link if thats ok?
[21:40] <HQRaja> Just the software manager of Mint
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> HQRaja: chromium is also opensource all the way, so can be included
[21:40] <escott> HQRaja, just install synaptic and search for stuff. the google branded versions of chrome can be downloaded from google's website
[21:40] <HQRaja> theadmin: Yup...I got chrome another way anyway though...I know there are alternative ways
[21:41] <theadmin> HQRaja: Yeah, you can just download from chrome.google.com
[21:41] <guntbert> HQRaja: it is certainly not a question of the package manager but of the available packages
[21:41] <HQRaja> Guys, I understand that there are other ways but what I'm interested in knowing is if there's a way to get the software manager from Mint in Ubuntu
[21:41] <dw1> escott: thanks again
[21:42] <HQRaja> Or if the same collection of available software can be achieved in Ubuntu's Software Center by adding a list of extra repositories used by Mint or not
[21:42] <guntbert> HQRaja: the answer was given several times now: "no"
[21:42] <MMlosh> Hi!  is this discontinued? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot
[21:42] <HQRaja> Oh OK
[21:42] <HQRaja> Thanks
[21:43] <AbuMaia> How do I fix this, other than restarting my computer every time it happens?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8725574/Screenshot%20at%202011-12-04%2014%3A39%3A06.png
[21:43] <guntbert> MMlosh: apparently not quite - last edited june 2011
[21:44] <jcmarini> gday
[21:44] <MMlosh> guntbert, but the last release mentioned is Karmic..
[21:44] <escott> AbuMaia, what graphics card do you have
[21:44] <AbuMaia> escott: integrated intel
[21:44] <escott> AbuMaia, what chipset?
[21:44] <guntbert> MMlosh: yes, I saw, you could look at the history and ask someone who edited the page
[21:45] <MMlosh> ok, thanks for advice    (ubuntu has newboot images since 11.10.. but they are install-only.. I need a live system)
[21:45] <AbuMaia> escott: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:47] <Neosano> Grub should timeout, but it doesn't. It's waiting until I press ENTER. why? I'm not sure, but seems like it's happening only after hibernation
[21:48] <jcmarini> anyone had trouble with new cd not recognised by burner
[21:49] <escott> AbuMaia, you could try and ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-f7 but it might make things worse
[21:50] <escott> AbuMaia, are you running 11.10?
[21:51] <AbuMaia> escott: no change. Yes, 11.10
[21:51] <meerkats> how do I install a SDL-1.2.14-1.i586.rpm file?
[21:51] <moo-> is there any tool to configure xorg?
[21:51] <jcmarini> anyone had troible with new cd not recognised by Gnome-Baker
[21:52] <escott> meerkats, alien and dont do it
[21:52] <meerkats> escott, why?
[21:53] <escott> meerkats, because its will break your system
[21:54] <meerkats> would SDL-1.2.14.tar.gz - GPG signed    also break my system, escott ?
[21:54] <conntrack> What is the weather like in Meerkovo?
[21:55] <escott> meerkats, if you use --prefix properly you shouldnt break anything you cant fix. why aren't you using the SDL in apt
[21:55] <meerkats> escott, because im a noob
[21:56] <escott> AbuMaia, thats unfortunate. if you are using the stock kernel, stock mesa, stock xorg and all then file a bug
[21:56] <AbuMaia> thanks escott
[21:56] <johnnyluu> this is getting my frustrated .. how do I scroll up and down in weechat?
[21:56] <guntbert> !software | meerkats
[21:56] <MonkeyDust> johnnyluu  is that with a gui or in terminal?
[21:56] <johnnyluu> :q!
[21:57] <johnnyluu> terminal
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> johnnyluu  try page up and down
[21:57] <johnnyluu> MonkeyDust: im on a mac .. no such keys haha
[21:57] <meerkats> i dont see that version in synaptic, I need the latest version to see if it has something to do with a sigsegv I have
[21:57] <jen_> how can i get a password protected folder?
[21:58] <guntbert> meerkats: don't play with "latest versions" if you are not experienced
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> johnnyluu  so your question is: 'how do i scroll up and down on a mac'
[21:58] <escott> jen_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> johnnyluu: PgUp/Dn maybe
[21:59] <jen_> nuuu i need someone to walk me through it >.<
[21:59] <meerkats> how encouraging, Guntbert
[21:59] <MonkeyDust> meerkats  'latest versions' are often unstable
[22:00] <escott> jen_, not sure what i would do other than tell you exactly what it says. start following the instructions, and if you have a question ask
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> johnnyluu: ALT+PgUp/PgDn for a few line. All told on this page: http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#key_bindings   which you could have easily found.
[22:00] <jen_> otay :>
[22:00] <jen_> ussually when I do something like following directions I do something wrong :(
[22:01] <DonaldDick> question is their a list somewhere of all the builtin/default keyboard short cuts. (i.e like ctrl + f , ctrl + x ,...etc) just curious to learn any default shortcuts I am not aware of... Thanks
[22:01] <DonaldDick> keyboard shortcuts for ubuntu that is
[22:02] <brightspark> Hi, my computer is not locking the screen when it wakes up from sleep- any help?
[22:03] <jen_> this is what I got :(
[22:03] <jen_> http://pastebin.com/wN18VJ7E
[22:03] <HQRaja> I have just tried Docky and I love it. I find it better than the Unity launcher. Can I hide the Unity Launcher altogether?
[22:03] <escott> jen_, if you have synaptic open close that
[22:04] <jen_> escott, whats that?
[22:04] <jen_> oh updater
[22:04] <HQRaja> Or auto-hide it by default, to show up only on hover...the way it behaves when I have an app maximized?
[22:04] <Triscar0> when installing 11.10 server, i get error when installing the packeges step. why? then i try to skip the step an install GRUB booting, and that also get error
[22:04] <escott> jen_, you have some other application that installs software open. it needs to be closed
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> HQRaja: sure, set it to autohise and set the margin to show the unity launcher to 0
[22:04] <HQRaja> ActionParsnip: How should I do that?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> jen_: do you have updates running or software centre open?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> HQRaja: in ccsm
[22:05] <jen_> yeah let them finish
 try ps -A | grep (dpkg or rpm or ,...other package managers) kill them all an you should be all set you probably have the gui synaptic open and you are trying to install from commandline
[22:05] <HQRaja> Linux newbie here BTW...not exactly a newbie but haven't really used it as my main OS ever
[22:05] <HQRaja> ccsm?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> HQRaja: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc    please, and I can advise
[22:06] <brightspark> HQRaja, compiz config settings manager
[22:06] <HQRaja> oneiric...I'm on 11.10
[22:06] <jen_> its done, let me figure out how to use one
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> HQRaja: then run:  sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager; ccsm
[22:06] <mamece2> hi, ihave some problems with my laptop. i updated to 11.04 and my 3D GUI is not working