[08:08] <kim0> Morning
[10:47] <nigelb> dholbach: HAHAHA
[10:47] <dholbach> nigelb?
[10:47] <nigelb> dholbach: You have Christ Johnston in your address book for cjohnston!
[10:48] <nigelb> I know he's awesome and all that. I didn't know he was /that/ awesome :P
[10:48] <dholbach> I have no idea why thunderbird keeps doing that
[10:48] <nigelb> heh
[10:48] <dholbach> I guess it got automagically copied from some mail I replied to
[10:48] <dholbach> fixing it
[10:50] <nigelb> I went through the registration process now. I couldn't see any phishing.
[10:51] <nigelb> I'm wonder if thre was something wrong with the third party
[10:51] <dholbach> which third party?
[10:51] <nigelb> the people who do the forms.canonical.com
[10:52] <dholbach> mh, do we have a contact for those?
[10:52] <nigelb> dholbach: I'm fairly certain that https://www.tfaforms.com belongs to veer west who do that stuff.
[10:52] <nigelb> marianna should know more
[10:52] <dholbach> veer west?
[10:53] <nigelb> Yeah, that's the company that does that. A while back tehy advertised Canonical as their customer
[10:53] <nigelb> dholbach: They still do -> http://www3.formassembly.com/
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <nigelb> :)
[10:55] <czajkowski> ok if canonical shippit person doesnt know the date of release of 11.10 that is a bit worrying
[10:55] <czajkowski> :/
[10:56] <nigelb> Not really. That person could be new.
[10:56] <popey> You worry too much.
[10:56] <popey> (c) Dave Walker 2009
[10:56] <nigelb> popey++
[10:57] <czajkowski> popey: :)
[10:57] <czajkowski> nigelb: yeah she could you're entirely right, howerver, this close to a release I would expect the date to be well known.
[10:58] <nigelb> There's still a month more!
[10:58] <nigelb> :)
[10:58] <czajkowski> nigelb: fine.
[10:58] <nigelb> Actually, when is the release date?
[10:58]  * nigelb check schedule
[10:59] <nigelb> Aha, 13th.
[11:03] <Daviey> popey: what have i copyrighted?
[11:03] <nigelb> Daviey: "You worry too much"
[11:03] <Daviey> ahh
[11:03] <Daviey> yes
[11:03] <Daviey> you all do.
[11:03] <Daviey> I am worried about mhall119 landing summit code which is filling my inbox with error emails.
[11:04] <Daviey> other than that... peace.
[11:04] <nigelb> Daviey: Its the machine. Can you help us move things there?
[11:04]  * czajkowski hugs Daviey
[11:05]  * Daviey finds nigelb very moving.
[11:06] <Daviey> nigelb: is there a bug about it?
[11:07] <nigelb> Daviey: There's an RT.
[11:08] <nigelb> Daviey: Its not the code actually. We need to play Sherlock on that server ^-^
[11:08] <Daviey> nigelb: are you sure?
[11:09] <nigelb> Daviey: Fairly sure, yes. Summit runs okay on our test server
[11:10] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/BWZO/ , looks pretty 'code related'.
[11:11] <nigelb> Daviey: EWW.  Cool!
[13:47] <mhall119> nigelb: I think james_w reviewed it
[13:47] <james_w> I did
[13:57] <jcastro> heya james_w
[13:57] <jcastro> had the call with the track leads to explain the scheduling
[13:57] <jcastro> they oddly enough, had almost no questions
[13:57] <james_w> that's good I guess
[13:57] <jcastro> one thing though, you guys need to put the track leads in the scheduling/drivers group for the linaro sprint
[13:57] <james_w> did you just cover filing blueprints and approving them for the sprint?
[13:57] <james_w> yeah
[13:57] <jcastro> otherwise they can't accept/decline blueprints
[13:57] <jcastro> yeah I also showed them the summit editing and all that
[13:58] <jcastro> (not the admin stuff, but the manually scheduling)
[13:58] <mhall119> jcastro: track leads shouldn't be manually scheduling should they?
[13:58] <jcastro> they can adjust
[13:58] <jcastro> but prior to UDS
[13:59] <jcastro> I told them after 9am Monday they go through the front desk
[14:00] <jcastro> mhall119: also hey
[14:00] <czajkowski> Old Jamaica Ginger beer is my new addiction
[14:00] <jcastro> the plenary slots are wrong
[14:05] <mhall119> hey jcastro
[14:06] <mhall119> jcastro: so fix them
[14:06] <mhall119> jcastro: remember, init-slots is a 90% solution
[14:06] <jcastro> ugh
[14:06] <jcastro> dude
[14:06] <jcastro> why does initslots make them wrong?
[14:06] <mhall119> what's wrong about them?
[14:07] <mhall119> if it's an error that can be fixed, file a bug
[14:08] <jcastro> they're supposed to be 15 minute blocks
[14:08] <jcastro> k, filing
[14:10]  * jcastro goes to manually fix all the slots
[14:10] <jcastro> I hate myself
[14:10] <jcastro> dholbach: what are you working on now? It might make me feel better about myself
[14:10] <nigelb> haha
[14:11] <nigelb> jcastro: bug #?
[14:12] <czajkowski> jcastro: awwww you're a bit eveil toda
[14:12] <jcastro> heh
[14:12] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/855586
[14:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 855586 in summit "init-slots makes plenaries too long" [Undecided,New]
[14:12] <jcastro> but don't run anything, I'll just fix them by hand
[14:12] <nigelb> twss
[14:12] <nigelb> :)
[14:13] <nigelb> jcastro: is it going to be 4 x 15 everyday?
[14:13] <jcastro> not Friday
[14:13] <jcastro> that's LIGTHENING
[14:13] <nigelb> heh
[14:13] <czajkowski> flash lightening
[14:14] <czajkowski> ginger beer and sweets = sugar rush
[14:14] <nigelb> jcastro: any complaints about summit at UDS, please encourage folks to file a bug :)
[14:14] <jcastro> ok updated the bug to tell you about friday
[14:15] <nigelb> Or kick cjohnston. That works as well.
[14:15] <jcastro> summit works fine
[14:15] <jcastro> it's people blame summit for us being so disorganized
[14:15] <jcastro> I've been ready to schedule for like 2 weeks
[14:15] <czajkowski> jcastro: and nobody can ever say you are disorganised :)
[14:15] <jcastro> and they still don't know the final tracks
[14:15]  * czajkowski hands jcastro the cane, go poke em
[14:19] <jcastro> hmmm
[14:19] <jcastro> something bad happens when I click save on a slot
[14:19] <jcastro> "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to summit.ubuntu.com"
[14:20] <Daviey> jcastro: you just broke it for everyone
[14:20] <jcastro> nice!
[14:22] <jcastro> what happened?
[14:22] <mhall119> dammit jcastro, not again
[14:22] <nigelb> /never/ let jcastro play with summit.
[14:23] <jcastro> dude, you asked for it!
[14:23] <nigelb> :)
[14:23] <mhall119> nigelb: +1million
[14:23] <jcastro> "jcastro: remember, init-slots is a 90% solution"
[14:23] <jcastro> my 10% is BAD!
[14:24] <mhall119> wow jcastro, you really did it this time
[14:24] <mhall119> mhall@cranberry:~$ ps -ef |grep apache
[14:24] <mhall119> mhall    24357 24288  0 14:23 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto apache
[14:24] <dholbach> jcastro, was just out for lunch, now I try to get a few non-UDS things done
[14:24] <Daviey> jcastro: Everytime you go near summit, you break it! :)
[14:24] <mhall119> he broke loco-directory too
[14:24] <jcastro> I had to adjust the slots
[14:24] <mhall119> and status.u.c
[14:24] <Daviey> jcastro: you induced an apache segfault.
[14:24] <jcastro> Daviey: I had to adjust the slots because your initslots thing is wrong
[14:25] <jcastro> whoa, never induced an apache segpahult before
[14:25] <Daviey> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/ down, thanks jcastro
[14:25] <jcastro> I am special!
[14:25] <jcastro> man
[14:25] <jcastro> I hope the wiki is down
[14:25] <czajkowski> lol
[14:25] <jcastro> that would be the best thing I could do for the project.
[14:25] <czajkowski> jcastro: you are on a roll today
[14:25] <Daviey> Great
[14:25] <Daviey> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:25] <Daviey> We might need to defer the Beta 2 release if we can't track it.
[14:25] <jcastro> man, EPIC.
[14:26] <jcastro> way to go on the whole infrastructure design there Daviey
[14:26] <jcastro> put everything we need on one box.
[14:26] <Daviey> jcastro: The apt archive i am using is also broken now, was that you aswell?
[14:26] <jcastro> juju deploy summit
[14:26] <jcastro> juju add-unit summit
[14:26] <mhall119> dholbach: do you know what "python number-of-items-in-queue" is running for?
[14:27] <popey> My coffee is cold, is that your fault too jcastro !?
[14:27] <Daviey> jcastro: Geez, we are stuffed now.
[14:27] <jcastro> Daviey: hey man, I only sneezed, you're the one who built this house of cards.
[14:27] <mhall119> apache is back up on cranberry
[14:27] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, sponsoring-stats
[14:27] <mhall119> dholbach: it seems to run a lot
[14:28] <Daviey> Great, beta 2 might still ship on time. no thanks to jcastro
[14:28] <nigelb> lol
[14:28] <jcastro> \o/
[14:28] <Daviey> mhall119: What would be the best way of blocking troublesome users from summit?
[14:28] <nigelb> iptables!
[14:28] <nigelb> ban them from cranberry!
[14:28] <dholbach> mhall119, I changed it to every 2 weeks
[14:28] <dholbach> err
[14:28] <dholbach> hours
[14:29] <mhall119> Daviey: you mean like jcastro ?
[14:29] <jcastro> well, I guess this will get initslots fixed!
[14:29] <jcastro> >_>
[14:29] <jcastro> <_<
[14:29] <Daviey> mhall119: well yeah.
[14:30] <mhall119> 14:24 < lamont> [Wed Sep 21 14:18:36 2011] [alert] (11)Resource temporarily  unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread
[14:30] <mhall119> 14:24 < lamont> what are you guys doing to that poor box?
[14:31] <dholbach> jcastro, why did you ask?
[14:31] <mhall119> I suspect our random out-of-memory error has finally struck apache
[14:31] <Daviey> we jcastro'd it
[14:31] <czajkowski> I think jcastro would make an excellent QA person he breaks things in a unique way
[14:31] <jcastro> no way dude
[14:31] <jcastro> it's the OOM killer
[14:31] <jcastro> yes, it's so hard to break summit
[14:32] <jcastro> like putting a PERIOD in the wrong field = doom.
[14:32] <mhall119> you didn't break summit, you broke apache!
[14:32] <AlanBell> that is a lot of rooms on summit right now, will the list be trimmed a bit?
[14:32] <czajkowski> jcastro: key word - unique way :)
[14:32] <nigelb> jcastro: We Fixed that one bbtw.
[14:32] <nigelb> g22
[14:32] <jcastro> AlanBell: some are dedicated linaro hacking rooms
[14:33] <AlanBell> oh, there are new urls somewhere for the display screens right?
[14:33] <nigelb> /uds-p/today
[14:34] <AlanBell> is that selective of certain rooms or is it going to overflow the 1920 px width . . .
[14:34] <nigelb> Hrm, no.
[14:34] <nigelb> This is going to be fun.
[14:35] <popey> 4K screens needed :D
[14:35] <AlanBell> oops
[14:35] <nigelb> We'll have to do two monitors ^-^
[14:35] <popey> or make them touch screens so people can move the schedule about
[14:36] <popey> use marquee to scroll the rooms! :D
[14:36] <jcastro> mhall119: hey at least someone will look at the errors now for you
[14:36] <jcastro> see, I actually helped.
[14:36] <mhall119> jcastro: you sure about that?
[14:37] <jcastro> hah, of course not.
[14:37] <nigelb> If someone helps, I'm buying jcastro a drink
[14:37] <AlanBell> 1920 gets you up to about bonaire 6 I think, 2048 is most of Bonaire 8
[14:37] <mhall119> AlanBell: yeah, I brought that up a couple days ago, jcastro assured me we had the same number of rooms as last time
[14:38] <nigelb> Actually, we should build an ID card powered by ardunio which displays the schedule on an LCD screen
[14:38] <nigelb> :D
[14:38] <jcastro> I am not sure now
[14:38] <jcastro> I thought we had the same tracks and rooms too
[14:38] <jcastro> but this morning I learned that we have 2 new tracks, etc.
[14:38] <mhall119> tracks don't matter for displaying the schedule on the big LCDs
[14:38] <mhall119> number of rooms does
[14:39] <nigelb> Number of "public* rooms
[14:40] <Daviey> jcastro: Is there space for the pool to be a 'room'?  I'd like to schedule some sessions there pls.?
[14:40] <jcastro> yeah, word
[14:40] <nigelb> +1
[14:41] <jcastro> hold on, let me add it in the ADMIN SECTION
[14:41] <jcastro> here I go!
[14:41] <nigelb> make it private!
[14:41] <jcastro> (haha just kidding I'm not touching anything)
[14:41] <nigelb> We don't want it flooded
[14:41] <nigelb> (see what I did there?)
[14:41] <AlanBell> and rename it during UDS :)
[14:42]  * Daviey does a targeted P session in the pool.
[14:43]  * jcastro pets Daviey on the head
[14:43] <popey> O_O
[14:43] <jcastro> popey: I blame you for bringing Daviey into this community.
[14:43] <jcastro> also, wait a minute
[14:43] <popey> Wasnt me.
[14:43] <jcastro> why was everyone blaming me for all of this when popey was sitting right here the whole time?
[14:44] <popey> uh
[14:44]  * popey wanders off
[14:44] <nigelb> jcastro: THe server didn't get shut down
[14:44] <nigelb> jcastro: Did you hear popey wanted to shut down another list? :P
[14:45] <jcastro> really? which one?
[14:45] <jcastro> all of them?
[14:45] <jcastro> +1!
[14:45] <nigelb> lol
[14:45] <nigelb> users I think
[14:45] <jcastro> oh right
[14:45] <jcastro> aka. sounder part 2.
[14:47] <jcastro> "well, if I add [OT] to the subject, I can get away with it."
 I
[14:49] <jcastro> LIKE it and don't like the "package installer" thingie with all the pink
[14:49] <jcastro> unicorns and sparklies and "vote on this" ala "Eddie, your friendly
[14:49] <jcastro> computer" style. I've never been, and don't want to become, friends with
[14:49] <jcastro> my computer, in any way. They are evil and I'm pure mean.
[14:49] <popey> "sabdflaiee, we should just shut that baby down"
[14:49] <jcastro> it is pretty comedy though
[14:50]  * AlanBell doesn't want to go swimming in a pool that Daviey has done a targetted P session in
[14:51] <jcastro> "i did ponder maybe a monthly mail"
[14:51] <jcastro> that's suicide
[14:51] <popey> meh
[14:51] <popey> it wont be my problem soon
[14:52] <jcastro> though, my take on using lists and forums for tech support is well documented.
[14:52] <jcastro> I shall write a poem of popey's CC term
[14:52] <popey> SHUT THEM DOWN!
[14:52] <popey> (c) J Castro
[14:52] <jcastro> Killer of lists, you wonderful sideys.
[14:53] <jcastro> "Thanks Al. I sinned and installed Mint 11. I admit it. I can't STAND
[14:53] <jcastro> that HTML only community thing they have. I might as well be top-posting
[14:53] <jcastro> in here at 300 baud."
[14:53] <Daviey> popey clearly hates mailing lists, he is a forum lover.
[14:53] <jcastro> this is awesome popey, thank you
[14:54] <nigelb> jcastro: heh
[14:54] <jcastro> "It ain't for old-skool
[14:54] <jcastro> text-email-only me. But, I don't like that Ubuntu web support thing
[14:54] <jcastro> either. But, that's just me... old and crabby."
[14:55] <popey> jcastro appears to be channeling RMS
[14:55] <jcastro> I am quoting
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0, dpm just give me a few mins, and then we will get started
[15:00] <jcastro> oh thanks for the ping I totally forgot
[15:00] <kim0> k
[15:01] <dholbach> sure
[15:01] <dpm> jono, ok
[15:04] <kim0> The compulsory pulseaudio reboot
[15:05] <dholbach> since I enabled the desktop team ppa and installed a new test kernel I'm almost happy with oneiric :-P
[15:06] <kim0> where u having kernel problems?
[15:06] <dholbach> yeah, let me find the bug number
[15:06] <dholbach> bug 854986
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854986 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[eDP1] 5 second delay between Xorg starting and the greeter starting (Dell Latitude E6410)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854986
[15:07] <dholbach> booting/logging in took ages
[15:07] <dholbach> cf bug 854101 title :)
[15:07] <kim0> I think I was just reading an article today about this eDP thing .. deep hackery vodoo
[15:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854101 in ubuntu-boot-speed "gnome-settings-daemon takes waaaaaaaay too long to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854101
[15:07] <jono> dholbach, dpm, kim0, jcastro starting a hangout
[15:07] <dholbach> kim0, yes, nothing I'd want myself to get into
[15:08] <kim0> :)
[15:10] <dpm> hey, I'm alone in the hangout
[15:25] <jcastro> kim0: check your mail. :)
[15:26] <kim0> jcastro: I just s/ensemble/juju/ 'ed the doc
[15:28] <kim0> jcastro: awesome, replied
[15:41] <akgraner> Hey Daviey Alan Bell whomever is there a way to get the ubuntu-scribes to re-direct to ubuntu-meetingology for teams requesting "mootbot" that aren't aware that meetingology is being used
[15:41] <popey> or edit the launchpad page?
[15:42] <akgraner> well people are still popping into that irc channel making requests
[15:42] <popey> because https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scribes points there I guess
[15:42] <jcastro> hey nigelb
[15:42] <nigelb> jcastro: wassup?
[15:42] <jcastro> http://uds.ubuntu.com/uds-sponsors/
[15:42] <akgraner> true but I don't own that team or anything
[15:42] <akgraner> I don't know that I can edit the page
[15:42] <jcastro> can you try to edit the rackspace link to link to www.rackspace.com?
[15:42] <popey> i know the guy who does
[15:42] <popey> one mo
[15:42] <akgraner> I just started helping spread the word etc
[15:42] <jcastro> nigelb: I think we need to do like 2 edits for it to stick?
[15:43] <nigelb> jcastro: yeah
[15:43]  * nigelb logins
[15:43] <jcastro> and stay logged in, we need to do it for the front page too
[15:43] <jcastro> POS
[15:43] <nigelb> jcastro: are you editing that?
[15:44] <nigelb> let me get out then or we'll midair
[15:44] <jcastro> I am editing the front page now
[15:45] <nigelb> jcastro: Link to http://www.rackspace.com ?
[15:45] <jcastro> yes please
[15:46] <nigelb> jcastro: sponsors page done
[15:46] <jcastro> ok weird
[15:46] <jcastro> it just worked on the front page
[15:46]  * jcastro doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth
[15:46] <nigelb> heh
[15:46]  * nigelb ^5 jcastro :)
[16:47] <czajkowski> I'm must do a blog post on companies who are awful at getting back to people racksapce is near the top
[16:52] <akgraner> czajkowski, amen there
[16:52] <akgraner> so is *cough cough* Canonical
[16:53] <nigelb> Actually, CAnonical is on the very top.
[16:53] <akgraner> crap  - that was supposed to be my inside voice
[16:54] <czajkowski> saying that yesterday I got offered another job while in a job
[16:54] <czajkowski> and also now being offered to go somewhere else to interview
[16:54] <czajkowski> and interviews lined up for nov for a job in jan
[16:54] <czajkowski> so it took 4 months of diddly squat to get 4 offers in a week
[16:55] <akgraner> Rackspace  interviewed me for a position after they already hired someone for the position they were interviewing me for
[16:56] <nigelb> what the..
[16:56] <akgraner> then it took them 3 weeks to even tell me - I found out when the person they hired contacted me to do an interview with them
[16:56] <nigelb> wait, the person they hired interviewed you for *that* position?
[16:56] <akgraner> talk about royal suckage
[16:56] <akgraner> no they contacted me to interview them for Linux Pro
[16:57] <nigelb> Oh, lol.
[16:57] <akgraner> yeah - I wasn't lol'img at the time I was dropping a bunch of f-bombs
[16:58] <akgraner> to be fair  - I wasn't the only one that happened to and later I got an apology ...
[17:04]  * popey wonders if AlanBell has seen the misleading text in the installer these days
[17:05] <popey> "At the heart of Ubuntu.s philosophy is a belief that computing is for everyone. With advanced accessibility tools and options like your preferred color scheme, text size, and language, Ubuntu is all about working for real people."
[17:06] <popey> s/advanced/broken/
[17:08] <mhall119> "so advanced it only works in the future"
[17:08] <jcastro> man if we had to remove everything that we claim to do the website would be empty.
[17:10] <dholbach> alright my friends, I call it a day
[17:10] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:10] <cjohnston> bye dholbach
[17:16] <AlanBell> popey: I did see that, yes
[17:18] <AlanBell> akgraner: I once nearly lost a job that I had accepted an offer for because the agent rang me up and I told them I had found a job and wasn't looking any more . . .
[17:20] <AlanBell> Bug #773243 is probably the worst example of missleading stuff on the website that might cause legal issues
[17:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773243 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu website advertises "Fully compatible with Microsoft Office"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773243
[17:21] <jcastro> AlanBell: http://www.libreoffice.org/features/
[17:21] <jcastro> their description also has the same problem
[17:22] <jcastro> "You can easily import files from Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint and many other formats, and can easily save to Microsoft Office and other formats when needed."
[17:22] <jcastro> this one takes the cake though
[17:22] <jcastro> "You get a simple-to-use yet powerful interface that is easy to personalize – Microsoft Office users will find the switch easy and painless, with a familiar look and feel."
[17:22] <AlanBell> that is all fine
[17:23] <AlanBell> really it is totally defensible
[17:23] <jcastro> lol, none of that is defendable as far as I can tell
[17:24] <AlanBell> in trade descriptions terms yes, it is
[17:25] <AlanBell> "you can easily" <- weasle words
[17:25] <AlanBell> and it isn't promising to import all files perfectly, just saying that it is easy to do
[17:28] <AlanBell> "Compatible with all major competitors' file formats." is what Libre Office says
[17:28] <AlanBell> "*Fully* compatible with Microsoft Office" is what we say
[17:41] <popey> LIES!
[17:41] <popey> Damned lies and statistics
[17:41] <popey> in other news, I'm going home.
[17:52] <jcastro> wait!
[17:52] <jcastro> popey!
[17:53]  * jcastro lunches now
[18:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: is there any reason for having http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/interest/  still? To my knowledge, we don't use it for anything?
[18:18] <cjohnston> I know, I know.. your not incharge of this UDS..
[18:18] <jcastro> afaict no one uses it
[18:18] <mhall119> cjohnston: for God's sake man, don't make him change stuff
[18:18] <cjohnston> anything wrong with it being removed?
[18:18] <jcastro> I mean, once we got the personal schedules in place
[18:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: I'm not making him change anything.. This is for you to change
[18:19] <jcastro> I'm not touching anything
[18:19] <jcastro> I didn't even go to the URL
[18:19] <jcastro> because I am scared
[18:19] <mhall119> nope, I'm just a dev, I'm not responsible for production data
[18:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: its a code change.. to remove it
[18:19]  * cjohnston removes jcastro's admin access
[18:19] <mhall119> oh, I thought it was a track or something
[18:20] <cjohnston> click the link
[18:20] <mhall119> +1 for removal
[18:20] <mhall119> I don't think it actually does anything does it?
[18:20] <cjohnston> that's my thoughts
[18:20] <cjohnston> thats why im asking
[18:21] <cjohnston> I know that jcastro likes nuking wiki pages, and nigelb likes nuking summit code.. so since both like nuking, I figured its a match made in summit.. or something
[18:21] <jcastro> "... and that's how we accidentally deleted all of UDS, Jane."
[18:22] <mhall119> lol
[18:22] <cjohnston> luckly its you in her office and not me
[18:23] <mhall119> jcastro: come on, this is summit we're talking about
[18:23] <mhall119> no way it's stop at just taking itself out
[18:23] <mhall119> it'd be more like "... and that's how we accidentally deleted all of the Internet"
[18:23] <cjohnston> What would Gore do then?
[18:24] <mhall119> think of the energy savings when we're all luddites
[18:26] <czajkowski> mhall119: if summit goes can we nuke the wiki too
[18:27] <czajkowski> nobody would ever think jcastro would nuke the wiki if he had the chance
[18:27] <cjohnston> I'd be up for the wiki first.. I think, asside from the server, that summit is good stuff now days
[18:27] <jcastro> indeed
[18:28] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19095/linaro-hackfest-mm%2Bgfx-1/ slugs with plus signs in them . .  interesting . . .
[18:28] <mhall119> AlanBell: they can also contain . and % now
[18:28] <mhall119> without breaking
[18:28] <jcastro> my title email about the wiki to IS/Elliot was "the wiki makes me want to kill myself"
[18:29] <AlanBell> mhall119: depends where you look :)
[18:29] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm+gfx-1/latest vs http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm-gfx-1/latest <- nigelb
[18:30] <mhall119> AlanBell: okay, we're not escaping it somewhere correctly then
[18:31] <mhall119> AlanBell: bug please?
[18:32] <mhall119> wait, where are you seeing one without + ?
[18:35] <jcastro> james_w: ping
[18:37] <james_w> hi jcastro
[18:37] <jcastro> hey I don't know if I told you already
[18:37] <jcastro> but the linaro track leads need to be set to be the drivers for the linaro sprint
[18:38] <james_w> jcastro, you did and I've done it :-)
[18:38] <james_w> that's what I call teamwork
[18:38] <jcastro> high five
[18:43] <AlanBell> mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19095/linaro-hackfest-mm%2Bgfx-1/ links bottom right
[18:43] <AlanBell> except for the blueprint one which should have the +
[18:44] <mhall119> AlanBell: they all have the + for me
[18:45] <mhall119> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm+gfx-1/latest
[18:46] <AlanBell> yes, they do :)
[18:46] <AlanBell> etherpad mangles it
[18:47] <mhall119> :(
[18:47] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm+gfx-1 redirects to http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm-gfx-1
[18:47] <AlanBell> but the /latest link does no redirect and gives a 404
[18:48] <mhall119> what's doing that redirect?
[18:49] <AlanBell> Bug #855826
[18:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855826 in summit "session slugs containing + have broken etherpad links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855826
[18:50] <AlanBell> etherpad is generating a 301 or something
[18:52] <mhall119> AlanBell: can we make etherpad do the 301 for /latest URLs?
[18:55] <jcastro> jono: so hey, UDS tracks
[18:55] <Pici> BarkingFish: He left about two hours ago, it looks like. But perhaps theres something else that someone else here could help you with?
[18:56] <BarkingFish> Pici, - I had an email from him asking if he can blog about me or interview me for something he's doing.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> I just want to let him down with a polite "thanks, but no thanks" if it's ok.
[18:57] <Pici> BarkingFish: ah.  Well, he'll be back tomorrow most likely.  He uses the nick dholbach (original eh ;)
[18:57] <BarkingFish> very...
[18:57] <Pici> Actually, I just noticed that a lot of the regulars here use their names as their nicks...
[18:57] <BarkingFish> I'll drop him a memo, save coming hunting for him.
[18:57] <AlanBell> mhall119: if I could ssh into my etherpad server I would find out
[18:58] <Pici> BarkingFish: He wasn't identified when he was here before, so I'm not sure he'll get it.
[18:59] <BarkingFish> Pici, That's ok.  If someone sees him, and he's not logged in, just remind him to log in :)
[19:02] <jono> jcastro, yeah?
[19:02] <jcastro> jono: we have ARM and Product now?
[19:03] <jono> jcastro, ARM yes, Product?
[19:03] <jcastro> oh sorry, I mean "consumer"? according to cezz
[19:04] <jono> jcastro, yeah the consumer one is not confirmed, as I said in the email
[19:05] <jcastro> oh, I didn't get an email from you yet
[19:05] <jcastro> k, I can work arm for now
[19:05] <jono> jcastro, I just replied to the thread
[19:06] <jono> jcastro, forward it on
[19:06] <jono> my email seems all screwy today
[19:06] <jcastro> got it just now
[19:06] <jcastro> ok so I'm confused about other
[19:07] <jcastro> because Linaro also has an "other"
[19:08] <AlanBell> mhall119: I found the redirect, it is line 231 of etherpad/control/pad/pad_control.js I think
[19:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: can it be added to the other URLs too?
[19:10] <mhall119> if now, we'll have to mangle all the URLs we put on the pages to avoid it
[19:12] <jono> jcastro, yeah this will be an Ubuntu Other
[19:12] <jono> jcastro, I assume Linaro are dealing with adding their own tracks
[19:14] <AlanBell> return str.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9\-]/g, '-');
[19:15] <AlanBell> ^^ that is how it mangles pad strings to valid pad strings
[19:15] <AlanBell> I am a bit scared of the etherpad code, there are many ways to go wrong
[19:16] <AlanBell> plus we don't have a change management/deployment procedure for etherpad
[19:17] <AlanBell> so I would suggest applying that regexp to the URLS we generate for the pads
[19:17] <AlanBell> to the slug part that is
[19:18] <jono> brb
[19:29] <mhall119> AlanBell: can you add that replace to the bug you filed?
[19:29] <mhall119> it would be easy enough to do on our end
[19:31] <AlanBell> will do
[19:45] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_373vVvqo
[19:45] <jcastro> hah, awesome
[20:33] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[20:40] <mhall119> akgraner: ping
[20:48] <akgraner> mhall119, pong
[21:08] <mhall119> akgraner: hey, did you ever hear back about that tfaforms.com email?
[21:09] <akgraner> mhall119, um no....what did I miss
[21:11] <akgraner> jussi, hey!
[21:12] <jussi> bah, evil
[21:12] <jussi> Hi akgraner
[21:12] <akgraner> jono you'll be happy to know that the John Lenton will be interviewed for next week about Ubuntu One so we are shooting for one interview per week about Ubuntu One from now until UDS...


[00:14] <owh> Hmm, this seems to be an SRU candidate, not a backport.
[05:17] <nullack> Ping RAOF - quick gstreamer question please as part of my work Sebastien suggested I do
[05:18] <RAOF> nullack: pong?
[05:18] <nullack> RAOF; Which plugin does gstreamer use in the rank order for AVC / H.264 decoding please?
[05:19] <RAOF> Hm.  Dunno.  Let's check...
[05:20] <nullack> I have the gstreamer tools installed if you want to tell me what commands to use. I tried viewing properties but got a bit confused
[05:23] <RAOF> Well, I just grepped gst-inspect-0.10 $I for '264'; it seems ffdec_h264 is the only mpeg4 AVC decoder I have installed.
[05:24] <nullack> Got it, thanks alot Chris nullack@PPP:~$ gst-inspect-0.10 | grep 264
[05:25] <nullack> Have a good day mate
[05:25] <RAOF> I actually went one better; for I in $(gst-inspect-0.10 | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sed s/://) ; do gst-inspect-0.10 $I | grep 264 ; done.
[06:09] <dholbach> good morning
[06:13] <nellery> bug 267995
[06:13] <nellery> hehe
[07:12] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> did you recommend an anger management course?  :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> stuff like that really makes me wish for a new boilerplate reply
[07:13] <Hobbsee> "this is nto your room.  you must treat pepole with respect, and have a decent level of maturity to report bugs" or something.
[07:13] <RAOF> It should probably mention that caps lock is cruise control for cool.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[08:04] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[09:50] <james_w> "I was a little bit drunk at the moment I posted the bug"
[09:50] <dholbach> james_w: that reminds me a bit of "What did you do when the bug occurred? Smoking a blunt."
[09:51] <james_w> dholbach: hah :-)
[10:02] <mvo> lol
[10:02] <mvo>  /j #ubuntu-bugs-comedy
[10:22] <Ampelbein> hi! is bug #264538 a candidate for won't fix? the issue is definitely there but upstream does not want to change the behaviour.
[10:36] <james_w> Ampelbein: yes I think so, explain that Ubuntu won't diverge from upstream on this issue, so if they want it fixed they should convince upstream
[10:37] <james_w> Ampelbein: I'm not sure if the desktop team do things differently here, like closing the bug outright
[10:46] <Ampelbein> james_w: thanks. i will ask in #ubuntu-desktop.
[10:58] <jon_snow>  hi, i have installed Stopmotion on AMD64 and i have a problem: stopmotion doesn't start. From shell http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/44846/
[10:58] <jon_snow> someone can help me?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> tjaalton: if your around do you know of a bug about nvidia drivers installed and is unable to be enabled?
[11:05] <tjaalton> gnomefreak: nope, tseliot knows more about nvidia these days
[11:06] <gnomefreak> tjaalton: thanks
[11:06] <tjaalton> gnomefreak: oh, but if it's an old card, it's because the old drivers don't work with xserver .15
[11:06] <tjaalton> uh, 1.5
[11:06] <gnomefreak> 173 drivers
[11:06] <tjaalton> that should work
[11:08] <gnomefreak> i thought so too but syste>admin>driver dialog to enable it fail saying its not avalible same with using system>pref>appearance>desktop effects but looks like same dialog
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ill find him sometime today if he will be around
[11:28] <gnomefreak> tseliot: if you have a minute, do you know nvidia-glx-173 3d cant seem to be enabled <it might have something on my system thats causing it> have you heard of a bug on this i searched LP and didnt find one
[11:29] <tseliot> gnomefreak: what do you mean by "cannot be enabled"?
[11:30] <snadge> does anyone have any secret on how to run a .jnlp file on 64bit hardy?
[11:30] <snadge> i've been googling and trying openjdk, icedtea and all sorts.. and getting upset :p
[11:30] <gnomefreak> tseliot: trying to enable it from compiz and hardware driver dialog its listed but tells me it cant enable it
[11:31] <gnomefreak> tseliot: this is on Intrepid here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.mozilla.org/533063 and im looking for the log for last attempt to enable
[11:33] <tseliot> gnomefreak: the xorg.conf is broken. Try removing the Serverlayout section
[11:33] <gnomefreak> k
[11:35] <gnomefreak> tseliot: including the the input device adn input device  conf mouse and generic keyboard
[11:36] <tseliot> gnomefreak: those are just references to sections which don't exist
[11:36] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:36] <tseliot> that's the problem
[11:37] <gnomefreak> tseliot: thanks im woring on it now
[11:38] <tseliot> gnomefreak: great
[11:39] <gnomefreak> be right back rebooting X
[11:53] <gnomefreak> tseliot: after removing that section i have 800x600 with 0hz now and still no 3d
[11:54] <gnomefreak> tseliot: 800x600 is the highest i can get or i can use 640x480 these 2 were only choices
[12:00] <tseliot> gnomefreak: type: nvidia-bug-report.sh and give me a link to the nvidia-bug-report.log file which will be generated
[12:02] <gnomefreak> tseliot: where is the bug? all i got was nvidia site link
[12:03] <gnomefreak> bug/new log file that it generated
[12:04] <tseliot> gnomefreak: in the directory in which you typed the command
[12:06] <gnomefreak> tseliot: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/533077
[12:09] <tseliot> gnomefreak: ah, you're in failsafe mode (hence the 800x600 resolution). I would like to see the output of this command:  ls -Rl /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/
[12:11] <gnomefreak> tseliot: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/533080
[12:14] <tseliot> gnomefreak: see this comment (but replace 177 with 173 in the suggested command): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/263528/comments/1
[12:19]  * tseliot > launch. Bbl
[12:21] <gnomefreak> tseliot: when you get back i fixed bug and reopened. im going to change it back so i can fit things on my screen
[14:11] <philsf> before I report this (probable) bug, can anyone here confirm that after a resume from hibernate (and not suspend) the ssh-agent (seahorse) dies?
[14:15] <Ampelbein> philsf: i think i've seen a report on that before.
[14:19] <philsf> Ampelbein: I searched it a while back and didn't find anything. could you give me some keywords?
[14:19] <philsf> hope it's not an old, untouched bug
[14:21] <Ampelbein> philsf: seems i was wrong. was a problem with wireless not working after hibernate, not ssh-agent. sorry.
[14:23] <philsf> Ampelbein: I just found bug #70752, could it be what you saw?
[14:24] <Ampelbein> philsf: no, that was not the issue. my memory fooled me yet again ;-)
[14:24] <philsf> ok, np. do you suffer from the same issue I mentioned?
[16:25] <bddebian> Boo
[16:26] <qense> hello
[16:27] <bddebian> :)
[18:19] <cbovy> hi all, anyone who can help me correctly file a bug for Intrepid?
[18:24] <Ampelbein> cbovy: what package?
[18:24] <cbovy> evolution. I filed a bug #267879, but it isn't listed in the Intrepid bug-list.
[18:25] <seb128> cbovy: that's because it's not nominated as an intrepid target
[18:25] <cbovy> seb128: Can I do that myself or does the maintainer has to do that?
[18:26] <seb128> cbovy: you can look yourself to the build log on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/evolution/2.23.91-0ubuntu1, builds are listed on the right
[18:27] <seb128> cbovy: neither, that bug is not an intrepid blocker, there is no indication the issue is new, you are the only one to have reported it so far and doesn't seem very high urgency, it's simply a bug
[18:27] <cbovy> seb128: Ah, ok. I understand.
[18:28] <cbovy> seb128: I see in the build log that NSS is included, but in the composer window of a new mail, the option is not there anymore. But S/MIME works correctly, but it is not possible to tag the option when composing new mail.
[18:28] <cbovy> seb128: when I enable S/MIME signing by default, all messages get signed correctly.
[18:29] <seb128> cbovy: could be an upstream bug
[18:29] <seb128> cbovy: you can try asking on #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[18:30] <seb128> ask if people there have the issue
[18:30] <cbovy> ok, I'll try that and complete the bug report.
[18:30] <seb128> thanks
[18:30] <cbovy> thanks! Hope to solve it before 8.10....
[18:30] <cbovy> byebye
[18:30] <seb128> cbovy: maybe open the bug on bugzilla.gnome.org too and add a watch on the launchpad bug
[18:31] <seb128> the build log has "	SMIME support:       yes (Mozilla NSS)"
[18:31] <seb128> which indicates the build depends are correct
[18:31] <cbovy> have to go. keep you updated.
[18:50] <emet> hey
[18:50] <emet> is this considered a bug?
[18:50] <emet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/268250
[18:52] <bdmurray> emet: yes, that person is looking for someone from the ubuntu sponsors for universe team to upload a new version of cheese
[18:56] <emet> okay
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> hi emet - that was me!
[19:08] <emet> hi
[19:10] <norsetto> chrisccoulson: we are in feature freeze: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> norsetto - thanks for pointing that out - i'll modify the bug report accordingly.
[20:02] <chrisccoulson> hi, someone has just assigned (not subscribed) bug 268250 to ubuntu-universe-sponsors. they're not meant to do that are they?
[20:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson: he should just subscribe the team to the bug
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> i subscribed them when i opened it, but someone has assigned it to them now as well
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> i'll sort it
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[20:15] <afflux> hello
[20:17] <qense> hi
[20:17] <afflux> any objections to me closing bug 267633 as invalid? I've not been able to get any useful information from the reporter? (maybe someone else wants to try?)
[20:19] <afflux> he even created OpenOffice Impress slides... ;)
[20:25] <bdmurray> afflux: I'd just leave it alone
[20:26] <afflux> bdmurray: hmm... I had set it to incomplete
[20:27] <bdmurray> afflux: right, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to change it to anything else
[20:27] <afflux> bdmurray: okay, you mean I should wait it to expire?
[20:28] <bdmurray> afflux: more or less yeah
[20:28] <afflux> okay
[20:28] <afflux> when someone hits me, I'll tell them you told me ;)
[20:28] <bdmurray> fair enough
[20:40] <bdmurray> that reporter seems to have etch-backports enabled - I can't imagine what that'd do to his system
[20:45]  * afflux wonders whether advising him to use windows would be against the CoC
[20:46] <bdmurray> now, now - I've sent him an e-mail
[20:48] <afflux> hope that'll help him... good luck!
[20:49] <james_w> he's been popping up a few times over the last few days
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> ping, seb128 - do you think bug 268178 could be gnome-settings-daemon crashing, and probably a duplicate of bug 254671?
[22:09] <emet> are feature suggestions valid bugs?
[22:10] <emet> bug 268308
[22:10] <bdmurray> emet: it depends on the scope of the feature
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> sometimes i suggest they discuss the feature upstream if it's quite a big change
[22:11] <emet> I suggested he put it on ubuntu brainstorm
[22:11] <jjesse> emet i thought there was a specification in regars to that bug
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> that's probably the best thing to do in this case
[22:33] <apachelogger> if I subscribe someone to a private bug, will he be able to view it?
[22:34] <Ampelbein> apachelogger: yes
[22:36] <mrooney> oh boy, UDS in Mountain View! Perhaps I can make my way there and meet all sorts of people
[22:37] <apachelogger> Ampelbein: thank you


[07:01] <frickler> phased systemd update + current jammy cloud image => boom https://paste.opendev.org/show/bHolx6HtT6RhR9A0Vrbv/
[07:36] <zoltix[m]> I have a problem setting up a ldapt audit on ubuntu 22.04.  It doesn't work.
[07:36] <zoltix[m]> I've followed this trick https://kifarunix.com/how-to-enable-openldap-audit-logging/ Do you know where I can find help?  more spefic for ubuntu ?
[09:33] <greybored> Hi! Anyone run maas in a cloud vm and just point your bare metal hosts/networks to it (ie dhcp relay host via a vpc connection)? Any reason that wouldn't work? Trying to move maas off a single single bare metal host and hopefully add some HA at the same time.


[01:53] <qman__> I'm setting up postfix as an internet mail server, and it's asking me if I want to use procmail for local delivery. What's the difference?
[01:54] <qman__> I've set up postfix for internal mail plenty of times, but I've never run into this question
[01:54] <qman__> guessing it's new in lucid
[01:56] <qman__> also, it's not covered in the server guide
[01:56] <qman__> they just give a list of answers without the questions
[01:57] <qman__> and they don't match up with the current state of the debconf questions
[02:07] <enzoplex> I'm using irssi. Is there a way to remove all of the join/parts ?
[02:09] <qman__> sorry about that, DNS quit working properly
[02:51] <pmatulis> enzoplex: yes, but ask in #irssi
[03:38] <lamont> qman__: you have your debconf priority set lower than you have in the past - the questions haven't changed in a very long time.
[03:39] <lamont> that is, just hit return and take the default, and you'll see what you would have seen if the debconf priority was higher.
[03:40] <qman__> lamont, that makes sense, but following the guide precisely gives a different set of questions than the answers given follow
[03:41] <qman__> this is a fresh install, nothing else getting in the way
[03:41] <lamont> qman__: that's because normally (and for whoever wrote the guide), the debconf priority was higher, so they didn't see that question and it just got given the default answer without prompting
[03:41] <lamont> interesting
[03:42] <lamont> the procmail question only comes up if procmail is installed, but I had thought it was low
[03:43] <lamont> yeah.  procmail is a low priority question, so unless you've done something to make debconf start asking everything (like an error during the install...), you wouldn't get asked that question
[03:43] <qman__> I simply did `sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix` as shown
[03:44] <qman__> for reference the procmail question comes after the listen addresses and before the mailbox size limit
[03:45] <lamont> sounds about right from my recollection of writing those questions several years ago
[03:46] <lamont> so... it's possible that the default for dpkg-reconfigure was changed to be low instead of high, dunno
[03:46] <lamont> but the postfix debconf questions haven't changed in an eon
[03:46] <qman__> not a big deal, just thought it might help if the questions were listed as well to avoid that problem
[03:46] <lamont> might not hurt, esp if the default priority changed
[04:23] <MTecknology> !info varnish
[04:30] <hggdh> yeah, seems interesting. See the Communications of the ACM, July 2010
[04:52] <cs1> guys
[04:52] <cs1> i need help here
[04:52] <cs1> is there any default LDAP password??
[05:00] <enav> Hola gente estoy buscando una alternativa al artisteer para editar plantillas de joomla... alguna buena sugerencia???????
[05:08] <cs1> guys
[05:08] <cs1> how do i trace my LDAP password??
[05:08] <cs1> is there anyway i can see the LDAP password??
[07:44] <netwidget>  hi, new to Ubuntu, installed ubuntu server 10.04 without domain name for local domain.  how do I do this after install?
[10:46] <joschi> hi, I have a problem with the a dynamic file template in rsyslog. it seems rsyslogd wants to write to the log files in /var/log/%HOSTNAME% before the directory was created.
[10:46] <joschi> at least in normal mode. in debug mode, it creates the directory just fine.
[10:46] <joschi> I've posted details about my configuration, the error message and part of the debug output under http://pastie.org/1048389
[10:46] <joschi> it could be related to Bug #484336 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/484336). changing the owner of /var/log to the user 'syslog' works, but I'd rather avoid that
[11:40] <tarvid> why does the kernel add to cache when that causes increase in swap used?
[11:42] <tarvid> is there a way to control how aggressively  memory is cached?
[11:42] <tarvid> is there a way to reduce total swap?
[11:45] <joschi> tarvid: you can control that behaviour with sysctl parameter vm.swappiness
[11:45] <joschi> tarvid: also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What%20is%20swappiness%20and%20how%20do%20I%20change%20it?
[11:47] <tarvid> thanks - current value is 60
[11:47] <tarvid> is there such a thing as cachinerr?
[11:47] <tarvid> is there such a thing as cachiness?
[12:02] <qman__> tarvid, what are you trying to do, exactly?
[12:03] <tarvid> avoid terrible situations where swap grows out of control and cached is large
[12:04] <qman__> the system will never use swap to cache
[12:04] <qman__> it only uses free memory to cache the disk
[12:04] <tarvid> there seems to be some "tipping point" where a sudden demand brings the server to its knees
[12:04] <tarvid> i'd rather not cache than swap
[12:05] <qman__> caching should not mean swapping, ever
[12:05] <qman__> it would be fairly pointless to cache the disk in swap, which is just another disk (or often the same disk)
[12:05] <eventyret> Got some issues with permissions denied when running echo server1.example.com > /etc/hostname
[12:05] <eventyret> /etc/init.d/hostname restart
[12:06] <eventyret> :/
[12:06] <tarvid> root@helen:/usr/sbin# free -m
[12:06] <tarvid>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[12:06] <tarvid> Mem:          3711       2865        845          0        302       1589
[12:06] <tarvid> -/+ buffers/cache:        973       2737
[12:06] <tarvid> Swap:        10691        148      10542
[12:06] <joschi> eventyret: forgot `sudo`?
[12:06] <eventyret> joschi: naah i used sudo as well though i made a thing here it was hostname.sh start
[12:06] <eventyret> following this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1197883
[12:07] <qman__> tarvid, lower your swappiness
[12:07] <qman__> it will then do less caching to free more memory
[12:07] <tarvid> like 10?
[12:07] <joschi> eventyret: you used sudo in the wrong place? ;)
[12:08] <qman__> yeah, try 10
[12:08] <joschi> eventyret: `sudo echo foo > bar` for example won't work the you'd expect
[12:08] <qman__> if it's still swapping unnecessarily, lower further
[12:08] <eventyret> well
[12:08] <qman__> of course, you already have more than enough free to hold what's in swap
[12:08] <eventyret> joschi: this gives me an error as well echo ns1.YOURDOMAINNAMEHERE.com > /etc/hostname
[12:08] <qman__> which simply means it decided that memory won't be needed any time soon
[12:09] <joschi> eventyret: yes, of course. /etc/hostname is only writable by root.
[12:09] <eventyret> Gives me -bash: /etc/hostname: Permission denied
[12:09] <eventyret> *doh*
[12:09] <qman__> eventyret, using redirection doesn't quite work with sudo
[12:10] <eventyret> hehe ^
[12:10] <qman__> the first part will be root, but the redirection won't be
[12:10] <eventyret> might be that
[12:10] <eventyret> its a VPS so :)
[12:10] <eventyret> but even their guide sucked
[12:10] <eventyret> so only root can change hostnames and such
[12:10] <qman__> I just use sudo -i, then do whatever I needed
[12:10] <eventyret> what is sudo -i ? :)
[12:10] <qman__> there is probably a way to quote it into a single command but I don't know
[12:10] <joschi> eventyret: `man sudo`
[12:10] <qman__> sudo -i invokes a root shell
[12:12] <eventyret> ahhh ok :)
[12:12] <eventyret> *shurgs* how to exit manual ><
[12:12] <eventyret> I know im fresh but i though it was Ctrl X like in nano ><
[12:12] <eventyret> q :D
[12:12] <eventyret> worked :P
[12:13] <tarvid> thanks joschi qman__  it takes a week or so to test but I am monitoring with cacti
[12:13] <qman__> tarvid, it's far more likely that a memory leak is causing your issue, but that will make it wait longer to swap things
[12:14] <qman__> also ten gigs of swap is an awful lot
[12:14] <tarvid> I didn't choose that, it was the default and a lot less would be preferable
[12:14] <tarvid> is there a safe way to reduce the size of the swap partition?
[12:15] <qman__> swapoff, resize the partition, swapon
[12:15] <qman__> but that will just leave that space unused
[12:15] <tarvid> pretty standard lamp+postfix+mailman installation
[12:16] <tarvid> got lots of space
[12:18] <qman__> on systems with plenty of RAM, I generally just don't do swap at all
[12:19] <tarvid> still on 9.10, php issues with drupal and python issues with google apps
[12:20] <tarvid> I'll take a look at 10.4.1
[12:20] <qman__> I'm keeping my desktop on 9.10 for a while, a lot of people had trouble with it, but my upgrade went smooth and I've got it just the way I like it
[12:21] <tarvid> me too, some issues like transcode
[12:22] <tarvid> i ran across a NID system that could work on IPtables but I forget what it was
[12:22] <tarvid> My server gets hammered periodically
[12:23] <qman__> try the iptables recent module
[12:23] <qman__> great way to limit the request rate per IP
[12:25] <tarvid> any tricks to install? prerequisites?
[12:26] <qman__> I think it's included in the default install for ubuntu
[12:27] <qman__> a good explanation of how to use it: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187
[12:28] <qman__> the example situation is solved better other ways, but the information there is good anyway
[12:31] <tarvid> not just ssh, i watched msnbot banging user/register repeatedly the other night in spite of robots.txt and rejections by the server
[12:31] <qman__> right
[12:31] <qman__> just change the port specified and the counts and such
[12:31] <qman__> it works for any type of connection
[12:31] <tarvid> that means I have to think
[12:32] <qman__> of course
[12:32] <qman__> but you only have to think once
[12:32] <qman__> script it, and be done
[12:32] <tarvid> I have the Gerald Ford problem and much is floating around in my mind
[12:33] <tarvid> wherever I left it
[12:40] <qman__> and yeah, msnbot purposely ignores robots.txt and is especially brutal
[12:41] <tarvid> looking through the auth log and I have a number of failed attempts on vsftpd
[13:28] <eventyret> does this channel cover questions about DNS stuff :)
[13:32] <eventyret> exit
[14:01] <gnoob> Hi guys. I have a ubuntu-server with 4 identical disks. 1Tb each. Running RAID5. Each disk has a partition of 6Gb free space before raid-partitions start. sda1 (6Gb) has Ubuntu on it.  I would like to make something substituting RAD1 using dd to clone sda1 to sdb1.
[14:01] <gnoob> Is this possible?
[14:02] <gnoob> want the server to keep running from sdb1 if sda fails..   But sending me a e-mail :)
[14:02] <gnoob> anyone with good advices?  (my first time doing this :))
[14:04] <gnoob> I would have to set boot priority in bios to sda first and if no sda -> sdb I guess..   BUt afraid dd, and identical partitions (and boot sectors) can mess things up a bit
[14:05] <gnoob> Raid1 is probably a better option?  but had some problems with grub..   Any suggestions?
[14:09] <joschi> gnoob: I'd say go with a RAID-1
[14:16] <ivo_> hi guys I am having a small problem I have soft RAID5 and it meant one of the drives is failed, which is not, because all drives' SMART is ok
[14:16] <ivo_> I am now rebuilding it
[14:16] <ivo_> but I should be able to use it
[14:16] <gnoob> Ok raid1 over sda1 and sdb1 then,  but it will slow down performance a little or not? And grub will need to be installed on sdb also right? :)  Thanks for advice joschi
[14:16] <ivo_> but It is not avaibe to mount in the disk utility
[14:16] <ivo_> I tried to mount it manually
[14:17] <ivo_> but because the array is encrypted I get this:
[14:17] <ivo_> do mount -o ro /dev/md0 /mnt/tempstore/
[14:17] <ivo_> mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
[14:17] <ivo_> can you help me how to proceed
[14:17] <gnoob> I tried raid1 at first,  but had some grub problems..  (but used old disks and IDE over one channel =  slooooow  :p)
[14:17] <joschi> gnoob: yes, it'll marginally cost performance and yes, you'll have to install grub in each mbr
[14:18] <ivo_> a link to a manpage will be aso ok
[14:19] <gnoob> Ok thanks a  lot joschi!!  Ill start getting hands dirty then :)      I will probably return to ask for how the e-mail thing works later :p    want to be noticed when a disk have trouble
[14:19] <ivo_> I am not new to linux but have used other unix and unix like systems for a very long time
[14:50] <BeeBuu> anyone help me?
[14:51] <BeeBuu> i follow the article on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall ,when i do the part 5 of STEP 7, it failed~~~
[16:56] <tdr112> can you get a 32 bit verstion ?
[17:27] <alison> hello, one of my servers with a gigabit nic keeps connecting and 10 or 100 Mbps, and very occasionally at 1000. Would anyone know why this is??
[17:28] <alison> oh and its connected to a 1000Mbps port on the switch
[17:35] <soren> alison: Line noise, maybe.
[17:35] <soren> alison: bad cable or something.
[17:42] <mestre> hola
[17:42] <mestre> me pueden ayudar a configurar el ldap con samba
[17:43] <mestre> para autenticacion de usuarios?
[17:49] <mestre> somebody?
[17:51] <mestre> english or spanish?
[17:57] <Trixboxer> Hi, one small question regarding UEC, in "MANAGED" mode why to use dhcp server.. I got succeed in "SYSTEM" mode for creating instance but IP assignment is not working correctly.. any pointers ?
[19:04] <MrPicard> Hi Guys, where could i find the most easiest ftp server to setup?
[19:05] <MrPicard> The other question i have is, Where is the config file for proftpd?
[19:05] <remix_tj> /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf afaik
[19:06] <MrPicard> Ta remix shall give it a go.
[19:08] <MrPicard> Ok, i type cd /etc/proftpd but it comes up as having no directory
[19:09] <MrPicard> any alternative ftp systems?
[19:16] <MrPicard> when i now connect upto ftpd im given this error.
[19:16] <MrPicard> Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server".
[22:47] <Italian_Plumber> at startup, is there a way to cancel a disk check in progress?
[22:49] <hackeron> hey, does anyone know a way to get 16 audio input channels into one PC? - I dont need a mixer or anything, basic phono/composite or 3.5mm microphone jack will do
[22:51] <palt> Italian_Plumber: Try pressing c
[22:52] <cloakable> hackeron: sixteen soundcards?
[22:53] <cloakable> or there's likely some specialised kit with that many input channels
[22:53] <hackeron> cloakable: tried 2 creative ones and even that caused stability problems
[22:54] <ksoviero> What are the differences between the generic kernel and the server kernel?  The FAQ points me here: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel, but it is a 404...
[22:58] <ksoviero> hello?
[23:01] <jpds> Hi.
[23:01] <jpds> The server kernel has less modules built-in I believe.
[23:02] <ksoviero> Well, for example, I know it has a PAE extension, that allows up to 64GB or RAM in the 32bit version...
[23:02] <ksoviero> does it have any enhancements for something like asynchronous I/O?
[23:42] <cwillu_at_work> any slab guru's around?
[23:42] <cwillu_at_work> trying to troubleshoot an oom that shouldn't be happening
[23:42] <cwillu_at_work> small allocation is failing even though there's 50+MB of ram free (on an embedded server with 256mb ram)
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> slabtop is reporting an insane number of size-2048 slabs, all in use, and the number increase at a rate of about 1 per second
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> disconnecting the network cable stops the increase :)
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> but I'm trying to figure out how to reclaim the space, if such a thing is possible
[23:43] <cwillu_at_work> or figure out exactly where the memory is being allocated
[23:44] <cwillu_at_work> (rmmoding the network driver doesn't reclaim anything)
[23:45] <soren> cwillu_at_work: Try in #ubuntu-kernel. They're more likely to be able to help.


[10:01] <Noskcaj> When would be the best time to discuss the creation of ubuntu iso magnet links?
[22:36] <Noskcaj> what happened to the dailys for Ubuntu, Gnome and kylin. all are frozen
[22:36] <Noskcaj> edubuntu might be too
[22:39] <stgraber> it appears the two last dailies failed to build because of a xapian related crash
[22:39] <Noskcaj> ok.
[22:40] <Noskcaj> What happened to Ubuntu Desktop Preinstalled armhf+nexus7 ? i assume it's been canceled?
[22:40] <cjwatson> the cause of the broken dailies is fixed, so the next runs should work
[22:41] <cjwatson> (software-center)
[22:42] <cjwatson> armhf+nexus7 indeed discontinued in favour of ubuntu-touch etc.  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1261
[22:45] <Noskcaj> cjwatson, thanks for the info. two more questions: 1. Why is armhf+nexus7 still on the tracker? 2. When is the best time to discuss the inclusion of magnet link downloads?
[22:46] <cjwatson> tracker> stgraber better person to ask about that
[22:47] <cjwatson> magnet> I looked at that when you last asked.  There doesn't seem any compelling reason for us to create them, not least because half the point of them seems to be that anyone can create the links if they have the file checksums.
[22:48] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:48] <cjwatson> Feel free to file a wishlist bug on ubuntu-cdimage if you really want them, but you should expect to have to do the work
[22:48] <TheDrums> Magnets are basically links to torrents, they are the sum of the torrent info.
[22:48] <cjwatson> I have no particular interest in setting them up
[22:50] <stgraber> Noskcaj: apparently nobody bothered to remove the entry from the tracker... I'll do that now
[22:50] <Noskcaj> stgraber, thanks


[17:52] <G__81> hi pleia2
[17:53] <G__81> pleia2, since i didnt receive your email. I do kernel development but not in the community but i work on the kernel for my company
[17:53] <G__81> i work on the networking subsystem part of it
[17:53] <G__81> i guess those sort of sessions would be useful for people
[17:54] <G__81> really
[17:54] <G__81> your suggestions ?
[23:19] <Paddy_EIRE> Hey could anyone tell me where I can get my hands on the ubuntu-classroom .ics ?
[23:19] <Paddy_EIRE> calendar


[18:57] <pmatulis> anyone else getting timeouts posting to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ ?
[18:59] <pappacena> Not that I've noticed. Do you have an OOPS code?
[19:06] <pmatulis> pappacena, it worked on my fourth attempt. i didn't copy the actual message, sorry
[19:07] <pappacena> No problem. If it happens again, send us the OOPS code, so we can investigate why it is taking that long.
[19:10] <pmatulis> pappacena, thanks for responding
[19:12] <pappacena> pmatulis, no problem! :-)


 My desktop was acting a little oddly, I think because there have been a bunch of ubuntu updates in the last few days. I thought I could clear them up by logging out and back in. Logging out worked!
[22:18] <waltman> But I had to reboot before I could log back in.
[22:21] <waltman> And it happened while I was also rebooting my macbook (to free up some ram) and my ipad (ios update). My only working computer was my iPhone!
[23:25] <swift110> hey guys
[23:26] <waltman> yo
[23:59] <swift110> how are you waltman


[03:49] <flaccid> smoser: any info on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910?comments=all ?
[05:06] <flaccid> smoser: thanks!
[09:13] <koolhead11> kim0, hey there
[09:14] <koolhead11> hello all
[09:14] <kim0> koolhead11: hey how's it going
[09:14] <koolhead11> awesome :)
[09:14] <kim0> enjoyed the summit ?
[09:15] <koolhead11> awesome!!
[09:15] <kim0> cool :)
[16:23] <ubuntucloud482> anybody there?
[16:42] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:26] <ubuntucloud482> hello
[17:27] <ubuntucloud482> anyone there?
[17:27] <ubuntucloud482> help !!
[17:46] <ubuntucloud482> helllllllo
[17:52] <BuZZ-T> just ask
[17:52] <BuZZ-T> if someone is there, he will answer if he could help
[17:53] <ubuntucloud482> ya
[17:53] <ubuntucloud482> i want to setup a cloud environment on my single laptop
[17:54] <ubuntucloud482> is it possible?
[17:54] <ubuntucloud482> ubuntu recommends atleast two machines
[17:54] <ubuntucloud482> i have a pretty good configuration.
[17:54] <ubuntucloud482> i7 processor with 8GB RAM
[17:54] <ubuntucloud482> can i setup a cloud on my laptop using vmware or kvm?
[17:55] <zul> ubuntucloud482: yes you can use openstack
[17:56] <ubuntucloud482> thank you
[17:56] <ubuntucloud482> do you any links helping me with openstack on a single machine?
[17:56] <ubuntucloud482> do you have**
[17:56] <ubuntucloud482> is it possible to do the same with Eucalyptus?
[17:57] <ubuntucloud482> I m a newbie!
[17:58] <ubuntucloud482> so tutorials would help me
[18:00] <zul> docs.openstack.org is the place to start
[18:03] <ubuntucloud482> sure
[18:03] <ubuntucloud482> thanks a lot
[18:03] <ubuntucloud482> is it possible with eucalyptus?
[18:04] <zul> dunno...not easily
[18:04] <ubuntucloud482> okie!


[04:19] <micahg> OvenWerk1: I see ubuntustudio-instaler was uploaded, anything else left to do?
[04:22] <OvenWerk1> micahg: -installer, menu and -settings all uploaded. I think thats it for me... just waiting for the three to hit the wild.
[04:22] <micahg> ok, once -installer clears new, they should migrate
[04:23] <OvenWerk1> ok micahg is there anything I can do to help move it along or is it just waiting for the weekend to end?
[04:24] <micahg> NEW is processed as time permits, anything in there before Feature Freeze is good for saucy, if you need it in sooner, you can poke in -release
[04:24] <micahg> jdstrand used to do NEW review on Fridays, don't know if he still does
[04:24] <OvenWerk1> Thats fine. I can wait.
[04:24] <OvenWerk1> I can relax now :)
[04:25] <micahg> I'm glad you managed to find someone and am sorry I wasn't able to get to it
[04:26] <OvenWerk1> No problem, anything like that again, just say so.  I've been working last week too.
[06:16] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, oh, that's why we can't contact you...
[06:16] <zequence-work> I'm a Linux teacher for unemployed people
[06:17] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, sure, teach me how to make multiarch work in a cmake package..
[06:17] <zequence-work> I'm on every day. Just not all the time
[06:18] <zequence-work> Not sure how that relates to Linux
[06:19] <smartboyhw> zequence-work: I know, just can't understand it
[06:19] <smartboyhw> (SIGH)
[06:19] <zequence-work> Check the documentation for cmake
[07:39] <smartboyhw> Hey cub
[07:39] <cub> good morning!
[07:41] <cub> all is well, smartboyhw ?
[07:41] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[07:42] <smartboyhw> cub, what are you asking OvenWerk1 yesterday?
[07:42] <cub> zequence-work, indeed.
[07:43] <cub> smartboyhw, I'm about to set up several installations on my laptop and I think he had done what I'm aiming for before and just wanted some feedback
[07:43] <zequence-work> cub: hi
[07:43] <cub> spent a week or so trying to shrink my pre-installed old Windows-partition.
[07:43] <cub> zequence-work, teaching work or *nix work?
[07:44] <smartboyhw> cub, both can be mixed together:P
[07:45] <cub> yes but is usually gets messy after three OS installation I think. :P
[07:45] <smartboyhw> cub, um, I'm replying to zequence's job, not on your installation...
[07:45] <cub> haha ok
[07:46]  * smartboyhw will send a reminder to zequence-work about the RT kernel after FF:P
[07:49] <zequence-work> cub: I had plus ten Ubuntu/Debian installs at one point
[07:49] <zequence-work> There was a problem with the installer sometimes, when you hit a certain amount
[07:49] <cub> how did you partition the hdd?
[07:50] <zequence-work> You can have max 4 primary partitions
[07:50] <cub> yeah
[07:50] <zequence-work> One of them can be shared between all, which is the swap partition
[07:50] <zequence-work> I just made several small ones. Like 20GB for each testing install
[07:51] <zequence-work> I'm currently trying to move towards virtual machines on my server, but VirtualBox was making it crash. Need to try something else
[07:52] <cub> I run most in Vbox but some things I think I would need a "real" installation for
[07:53] <cub> Virtualbox crash you system? What do you use as host OS, Debian right?
[07:54] <zequence-work> Debian, yes
[07:55] <zequence-work> It's headless, and I use remote GUI
[07:58] <cub> zequence-work, since I pushed to the contributor branch. Do I need to do anything else to get it reviewed and my minor change into the real seed?
[07:58] <smartboyhw> cub, a merge proposal
[07:58] <smartboyhw> (But I suppose OvenWerk1 did the orca change already(
[07:59] <cub> yes but I put in brltty as well.
[07:59] <smartboyhw> cub, oh good
[07:59] <smartboyhw> Merge proposal then
[07:59] <cub> dang, I should have done that on Friday already
[08:00] <smartboyhw> cub, no worries:)
[08:00] <smartboyhw> We can push it in
[08:02] <cub> Should I name someone as reviewer?
[08:02] <smartboyhw> cub, Ubuntu Studio Development Team is OK
[08:02] <smartboyhw> So I or OvenWerk1 or zequence-work can review
[08:02] <cub> I suppose it will go there anyway, the field is "optional"
[08:02] <cub> and done.
[08:03] <smartboyhw> OK, let me review:)
[08:03] <cub> it shoudl be quick, I only added "* (brltty) "
[08:04] <cub> :)
[08:05] <cub> but how does it work after that? Do you need to manually do the same change in the main branch? Or can it automatically include just the last change in the contributor branch? Since there might have been other changes done there since I pushed on Friday.
[08:05] <smartboyhw> cub, yep, manually, I'm doing it
[08:05] <smartboyhw> Just a bzr merge and a bzr commit
[08:06] <smartboyhw> cub, MERGED
[08:06] <cub> whohoo
[08:07] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, you are now having the same problems like OvenWerk1 of bzr launchpad-login
[08:07] <cub> I've got some good feedback from the ubuntu-accessibility mailing list. It seems there might be an audience for Ubuntu Studio there if we can get it to work properly.
[08:09] <smartboyhw> Now the question: Do we want to update it for -meta?
[08:09] <smartboyhw> If yes, either we wait for micahg or we ask somebody else to sponsor the upload
[08:09] <cub> hu?
[08:09] <smartboyhw> cub, which country are you from again?
[08:09] <cub> Sweden
[08:11] <smartboyhw> cub, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure:)
[08:11] <cub> Oooh fame and glory!
[08:11] <smartboyhw> LOL
[08:13] <cub> I have started up a wikipage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cub
[08:14] <smartboyhw> cub, oh great:)
[08:15] <smartboyhw> cub, look at mine:P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw
[08:15] <smartboyhw> And I need an update, hmm
[08:17] <cub> "ninja" hehe
[08:18] <smartboyhw> cub, OK, this team doesn't actually exist (as in the team's LP profile)
[08:19] <cub> which team?
[08:19] <smartboyhw> cub, ninjas
[08:19] <smartboyhw> launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas
[08:20] <cub> Haha I didn't know there was one.
[08:20] <smartboyhw> cub, there actually is (in Launchpad terms)
[09:09] <zequence-work> cub: Did you first make sure the branch was updated with the changes from the master branch (i.e. the ubuntustudio-dev branch)?
[09:09] <zequence-work> Before making changes, first pull changes from the master branch
[09:10] <zequence-work> Then make changes, then push, then do merge request
[09:10] <zequence-work> I can have a look
[09:13] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, nah, I bzr pulled before merging
[09:13] <smartboyhw> For cub :)
[09:18] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Ok
[09:18] <zequence-work> cub: Are you with us on the details on this now?
[09:19] <zequence-work> Since there are two branches, the second one needs to be updated before making changes (preferably)
[09:25] <cub> zequence-work, yes I pulled the main branch just before doing my change, then push to the contributor branch. Though I didn't do the merge proposal until today, which might be an issue?
[09:28] <smartboyhw> cub, the main branch might have changed during the time you started doing the editing work and the merge proposal
[09:39] <cub> exactly, that's why I asked before
[10:22] <zequence-work> cub: What you do then is you first do a merge to your own branch, before pushing it to contributor - if there were changes
[10:22] <zequence-work> Or you can do it the other way around too of course
[10:23] <zequence-work> I mean push changes first. Then merge with the main branch
[10:23] <zequence-work> cub: Ok, so you had your first change done in code today then
[10:23] <zequence-work> Congrats
[10:23] <zequence-work> Even if it's more like config files
[10:24] <zequence-work> Dev change anyway
[10:42] <cub> hehe, still worth celebrating. I bought icecream.
[10:44] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[10:44]  * smartboyhw ate icecream 1 hour ago
[11:34] <zequence-work> luckily I don't like ice cream
[11:35] <zequence-work> So, only tea and cookies for me
[11:36] <zequence-work> DarkEra: Hi
[11:37] <DarkEra> hi there zequence-work
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Hey DarkEra
[12:40] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, ice creams are great:
[12:40] <smartboyhw> ;)
[12:40] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw
[12:40] <zequence-work> So is tea and cookies
[12:41]  * smartboyhw likes cookies but not western tea
[12:41] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, drink Chinese and Japanese tea:P
[12:46] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: I had some green tea today, but not from leaves. Just from bags
[12:46] <zequence-work> I used to drink lots of green tea in the past
[12:46] <zequence-work> The Chinese kind
[13:01] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, good:)
[13:08] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, welcome:)
[13:08] <DarkEra> smartboyhw: hmm?
[13:09] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, welcome I sayu
[13:09] <smartboyhw> *say
[13:09] <DarkEra> welcome to what? lol
[13:09] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, th the channel:)
[13:10] <DarkEra> i already said hi before but then again... thanks buddy :)
[14:19] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/happy-22nd-birthday-linux/
[14:19] <smartboyhw> cub, ^
[14:20] <cub> Yup, I read his biography this summer. I was surprised the book was already over 10 years old
[14:21] <smartboyhw> cub, heh
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Buy a newer edition:p
[14:22] <cub> I don't think there is one?
[14:23] <cub> I like the part "I’m doing a (free) operating system". It doesn't say "I'm doing a (free) kernel". ;)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> cub, that IS the original email
[14:24] <cub> I know.
[14:25] <zequence-work> Some would claim the kernel is the actual operating system. The terminology is not perfectly clear
[14:25] <cub> yeah, that will probably be the new mac vs pc argument within the gnu/foss/floss/linux/etc communties.
[14:25] <zequence-work> Going to an interview for HiQ tomorrow (thought it would be today)
[14:26] <zequence-work> They were looking for a Linux guru
[14:26] <cub> sweet
[14:26] <zequence-work> It would really make my day if it led somewhere
[14:26] <cub> is it a consulting job?
[14:27] <zequence-work> Not sure yet. Something to do with Linux
[14:27] <cub> yeah I meant if you know if you would work on HiQ's own things or other companies
[14:27] <zequence-work> Haven't got any details at all really
[14:27] <cub> maybe they both actually. :P
[14:40] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, oh?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> LinkedIn?
[14:40] <zequence-work> Yes, it was time for an account there. Time to go home..
[14:46] <cub> Is there a way to see all the ! commands for ubottu?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> !list
[14:50] <smartboyhw> OUCH
[14:50] <smartboyhw> cub, check ubottu.com
[14:50] <smartboyhw> "Factoid database"
[14:51] <cub> Ah, I found some other pages but they only explained how to create new factoids.
[14:51] <cub> thanks
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, do we have any intention to update our ubiquity slideshow?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> It seemed to be quite old, tbh
[15:40] <smartboyhw> :P
[16:07] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: waiting for new backdrops to drop...
[16:08] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, ?
[16:08]  * smartboyhw does wonder what happened to our artwork
[16:08] <smartboyhw> Sadly madeinkobaia isn't here
[16:09] <OvenWerk1> people get busy, Mish is out for a bit
[16:09] <OvenWerk1>  I am glad he got the icons done though
[16:09] <OvenWerk1> Ralf did one icon too
[16:11] <OvenWerk1> Anyone else do art?
[16:12] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: We tried to make our slide show have no version ref, so we have just been changing the first/last slides with the new BG
[16:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, well, we should update it a bit I think
[18:02] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Yeah, I'm waiting a bit to see if madein will show up. Since we have until interface freeze, I wasn't in a hurry to do the icons myself
[18:02] <zequence> There is a new set, which is ok to use already
[18:02] <zequence> but, they could be improved
[18:02] <zequence> so not much work to finish it
[18:02] <zequence> I think if we don't get a new wallpaper this cycle we just roll with the old one
[18:03] <zequence> The important changes come with 14.04, so I'm not going to be stressed about the wallpaper this time (last time it was really getting old)
[20:32] <OvenWerk1> zequence: ubutustudio-icon-theme is still in the wild and as a depends some place. I think it shouldn't matter for the menu because we have changed the name of all the menu icons anyway.
[20:36] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I think it has to remain in our package becasue it has the distributer icon. However, it could have the menu icons cleaned out.
[20:36] <OvenWerk1> Because it is art work we may be able to still do this after FF.
[20:37] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Yes, the menu icons I've gathered should go into the menu packag now
[20:37] <OvenWerk1> It seems odd having an icon theme with only one icon :)
[20:37] <zequence> The icon theme might see a resurrection for 14.04 with a new icon set
[20:37] <OvenWerk1> They are already in tghe menu
[20:37] <zequence> Doesn't matter if there's only one :)
[20:38] <OvenWerk1> Ya, just seems funny :)
[20:38] <OvenWerk1> Do you want me to clean it out, or leave it for a new guy?
[20:39] <zequence> It's mostly just cleaning up. If you want to do it, please go ahead :).
[20:40] <OvenWerk1> Right. will rebranch this afternoon.
[20:42] <OvenWerk1> I have a couple of identical stereo amps... one side works on each I think... Maybe I can make one good one.
[20:44]  * OvenWerk1 just fixed the stove in a simmilar way...
[20:44] <knome> OvenWerk1, do you happen to have an otherwise broken camera with a working flash? ;)
[20:45] <knome> i have the pairing part (working camera with broken flash)
[21:30] <madeinkobaia> See you all : )
[21:45] <OvenWerk1> knome: no such luck... not much of a photographer. Even so, the shipping might cost the value of any of the cameras I own ;)
[21:47] <knome> hehe
[21:48] <OvenWerk1> knome: how much do you know about licences?
[21:49] <knome> limiting amount, but ask away
[21:49] <knome> *limited
[21:50] <OvenWerk1> one of our packages the debian part is licenced "GPL" in 2006. I notice that in the dirctory GPL links to GPL-3
[21:50] <OvenWerk1> However, GPL-3 was introduced in 2007, so I am guessing that GPL in this case should be GPL-2?
[21:51]  * OvenWerk1 is fixing up the copyright files to machine readable..
[21:51] <knome> what's the package?
[21:52] <OvenWerk1> Or should I leave it as "GPL" and let it poinbt at 3. This is ubuntustudio-icon-theme.
[21:52] <knome> depends if the license for the application/lib in the package says "GPL2 or later" or "GPL2"
[21:52] <knome> right
[21:52] <knome> who are the authors for that theme?
[21:52] <knome> you should consult them to check how they want to handle the license
[21:52] <OvenWerk1> The theme itself is cc by sa
[21:53] <OvenWerk1> all the icons are new sinse 2012
[21:53] <knome> aha
[21:53] <OvenWerk1> It is just the /debian directory
[21:53] <knome> so why is GPL there?
[21:53] <knome> if GPL isn't the license, delete the file
[21:53] <OvenWerk1> Left from the original packager
[21:54] <knome> or to be more exact, if nothing in the package is GPL-licensed, there's no reason for the file to be in there
[21:54] <OvenWerk1> So I can just do the whole thing cc by sa then? That would be much simpler
[21:54] <knome> i'd imagine so.
[21:54] <knome> i don't know if debian packages itself are licensed
[21:54] <OvenWerk1> So the *.deb package format itself is no licenced?
[21:54] <knome> common sense says that's stupid...
[21:55] <OvenWerk1> PD?
[21:55] <knome> i'd check with other packagers on that
[21:55] <knome> or, check packages like xubuntu-icon-theme for what that does.
[21:55] <OvenWerk1> ok
[22:08] <TheDrums> knome: Generally there's a Files: debian/* section.
[22:08] <knome> TheDrums, yeah, but does that have a GPL file if the contents of the package isn't GPL'd?
[22:09] <TheDrums> It's whatever the maintainer licenses it as, so all files under the source/debian/ dir are GPL.
[22:16] <OvenWerk1> TheDrums: ok, The original question stands, If the package was originally debianized when GPL was gpl-2, do I have to make it gpl-2 or can I leave it as just gpl?
[22:16] <TheDrums> I'm not good with copyright, so I can't say.
[22:17] <OvenWerk1> Most of the packages are gpl-2+ for that part ...
[22:19] <OvenWerk1> I think That is what I will do here, It was started as gpl2 but left open..
[22:36] <OvenWerk1> Building and delinting...
[23:09] <OvenWerk1> Should have known.. extended-description-is-probably-too-short
[23:09] <OvenWerk1> we seem to do that a lot.


[16:00] <bdrung> \o
[16:00] <zhsj> o/
[16:00] <jawn-smith> o/
[16:01] <ginggs> o/
[16:01] <schopin> o/
[16:01] <liushuyu> o/
[16:01] <slyon> o/
[16:04] <dviererbe> o/
[16:04] <xypron> o/
[16:05] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:05:35 UTC.  The chair is slyon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:05] <slyon> The weekly status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-09-march-2023/34405
[16:06] <slyon> let's all take some time to read the status updates and ask any questions
[16:07] <bdrung> reading the stati (is that latin plural correct?) reminded me to review https://salsa.debian.org/debian/devscripts/-/merge_requests/336
[16:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Merge 336 in debian/devscripts "Avoid outdated Perl modules" [Opened]
[16:13] <slyon> apparently there aren't a lot of questions..
[16:13] <slyon> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:13] <slyon> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:13] <slyon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/2008952
[16:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2008952 in cloud-init "DNS failure while trying to fetch user-data" [Medium, Triaged]
[16:19] <schopin> cross-component issue, danilogondolfo to investigate
[16:19] <slyon> we'll be assigning this to danilogondolfo for further investigation from the Netplan side
[16:19] <slyon> http://launchpad.net/bugs/2009814
[16:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2009814 in inetutils (Ubuntu) "Inetutils is failing almost all autopkgtests" [Undecided, New]
[16:19] <dviererbe> LP#2009814: Inetutils is failing almost all autopkgtests (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inetutils/+bug/2009814)
[16:22] <zhsj> its test wants to test a package that conflicts with a dependency of ubuntu-minimal. not sure if there are good ways
[16:23] <slyon> I wonder if we can skip the non-telnet tests from debian/tests/control ?
[16:23] <slyon> I think there's also a skip-uninstallable Restriction for d/t/control which mightbe useful here.
[16:24] <zhsj> if we want to carry delta, then probably just drop inetutils-ping test
[16:26] <schopin> I'd rather just drop the inetutils-ping package entirely if it conflicts with ubuntu-minimal...
[16:27] <zhsj> ha, yes. you can never possible to install that.
[16:28] <slyon> we should either do this ^ or make use of update-alternatives to make it installable
[16:28] <slyon> assigning to dviererbe
[16:29] <dviererbe> I will investigate to add update-alternatives for inetutils-ping
[16:29] <slyon> Thanks, I think that's the cleanest solution. And should also be coordinated with Debian
[16:29] <slyon> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:30] <slyon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1999345
[16:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1999345 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "please add luks2 module to the signed grub2 images" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[16:30] <slyon> seems like this is still pending security review. skipping for now
[16:30] <slyon> #topic proposed-migration
[16:30] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:31] <slyon> licensecheck is with adrien and didrocks (pending MIR review)
[16:31] <slyon> sbuild is with waveform
[16:32] <schopin> glibc is still mine
[16:32] <slyon> thx
[16:32] <bdrung> tzdata is still mine
[16:33] <slyon> devscripts is with liushuyu
[16:33] <liushuyu> libzstd is still mine
[16:33] <slyon> libsereal-decoder-perl is with juliank (who's out today)
[16:34] <slyon> xz-utils is with ogayot (who's out today)
[16:34] <bdrung> devscripts is done from his part, I need to review and merge in Debian and release a new devsripts version
[16:34] <slyon> ack. so passing devscripts on to bdrung
[16:35] <slyon> zhsj: you were on python3-stdlib-extensions last week.
[16:35] <slyon> do you want to carry it over?
[16:35] <zhsj> i think it's someone else'
[16:36] <slyon> ah right. It was passed on and is up for grabs
[16:36] <ginggs> there's not much to do for python3-stdlib-extension
[16:37] <slyon> ginggs: do you want to check the remaining parts?
[16:38] <ginggs> astropy will pass when it runs
[16:38] <ginggs> and then it's just waiting for python3.10 to go
[16:38] <slyon> ok
[16:38] <slyon> let's move on to python3-defaults in this case
[16:38] <enr0n> I am looking into the dbus-python issue
[16:38] <slyon> dbus-python: enr0n
[16:38] <slyon> thx
[16:39] <slyon> most other cases of python3-defaults seem to be only single arch failures
[16:39] <slyon> ginggs: will take the full batch
[16:40] <slyon> e2fsprogs: jawn-smith
[16:40] <jawn-smith> ack
[16:40] <schopin> s390-tools is mine :)
[16:40] <slyon> s390-tools: schopin. thx
[16:41] <slyon> erlang: sil2100
[16:41] <slyon> cdebconf: adrien
[16:43] <slyon> automake: adrien, too
[16:43] <slyon> cryptsetup: danilogondolfo
[16:43] <zhsj> i can take zip
[16:43] <slyon> zhsj: zip. thx
[16:44] <sil2100> slyon: ACK
[16:44] <zhsj> oh, probably automake too, because it's for zip indeed.
[16:45] <slyon> procps: slyon
[16:45] <slyon> pycurl: dviererbe
[16:46] <slyon> tzdata: bdrung
[16:46] <slyon> sysvinit: mwhudson
[16:47] <slyon> rustc: liushuyu
[16:48] <slyon> curl: vpa1977
[16:48] <liushuyu> I guess somebody wants to look at the autopkgtest runners, some of the test failures seem to be due to broken testbeds
[16:48] <slyon> #topic AOB
[16:49] <slyon> liushuyu: I think the QA is looking into that actively
[16:49] <slyon> I'll be out friday & monday
[16:49] <adrien> zhsj: I'll start with cdebconf, let me know if you start on automake while working on zip
[16:50] <zhsj> adrien: sure, and there's no migration for automake :)
[16:51] <slyon> #endmeeting
[16:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:51:52 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-03-09-16.05.moin.txt


[01:39] <apm> hey guys, I'm trying to install lubuntu 16.10 with a usb stick but I always get grub-pc package failed to install into /target/ and then the PC becomes unresponsive. I tried with universal usb installer and rufus, tried as iso and DD, same stuff
[01:44] <HelpMe_TY> i just installed lubuntu on this pc
[01:44] <HelpMe_TY> https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/Compaq-Presario-SR5600-Desktop-PC-series/3793883/model/3793940
[01:44] <HelpMe_TY> & i can't to the internet
[08:07] <Art1010110> Hello
[08:08] <Art1010110> Help me!
[08:09] <LioneLL> ?
[08:09] <Art1010110> I want help with lubunto.
[08:10] <Art1010110> Operating system.
[08:11] <LioneLL> ask pls
[08:11] <Art1010110> Linu
[08:11] <Art1010110> Lubunto 17.04
[08:11] <Art1010110> I use a hp compaq computer.
[08:11] <Art1010110> The computer is powered on.
[08:12] <Art1010110> I put ethernet wire from, modem to computer.
[08:16] <Art1010110> Connection information of Wired connection is Interface: Ethernet, Driver tg3, Speed 1000 Mb/s, Security none, IPv4, IP Address; Broadcast Address; Subnet Mask ,Unknown, IPv6 ; no seen settings.
[08:17] <Art1010110> File: /etc/network/interfaces, shows ; # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8) auto lo iface lo inet loopback.
[08:19] <Art1010110> I use mozilla fire fox , and screen shows, Server not found.
[08:19] <Art1010110> Can you help me, enable the internet?
[08:23] <Art1010110> Can sombody help me make the internet on my computer function, correctly?
[08:26] <Art1010110> Help.
[08:26] <Art1010110> Help.
[08:27] <User15> Hello.
[08:27] <User15> Can s
[08:28] <User15> Can you help me, fix the internet settings in my computer?
[08:35] <Arth> Hello.
[08:36] <User15> Hello.
[08:38] <User100> Hello.
[08:38] <User100> Help me.
[08:39] <User100> What do I modifty in lununto for use of full function internet?
[08:44] <User100> What do I modifty in lununto for use of full function internet?
[08:44] <User100> I posted as Art .
[08:44] <User100> I'll wait for a reply.
[10:14] <Fujiwara_> Hey guys
[10:15] <Fujiwara_> Need some help with installing Lubuntu with bootable drive. Getting error messages while trying to install https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD9o-Y9XoAAPmFt.jpg:large
[10:31] <HelpMe_TY> i left a question yesterday am still waiting
[10:35] <Fujiwara_> I fixed my problem somehow :)
[12:06] <jk^> hi all
[12:07] <jk^> how to check the checksum of file downloaded by http://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[12:09] <tsimonq2> jk^: It's linked at the top of the page. ;)
[12:09] <tsimonq2> jk^: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[12:12] <jk^> tsimonq2
[12:12] <jk^> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/
[12:12] <tsimonq2> jk^: What about it?
[12:12] <jk^> i downloaded 16.04.02
[12:12] <jk^> where's the checksum?
[12:13] <jk^> which of those?
[12:13] <jk^> [TXT]	FOOTER.html	2017-02-16 23:56 	27
[12:13] <jk^> [TXT]	HEADER.html	2017-02-16 23:56 	4.9K
[12:13] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS	2017-02-16 23:56 	813
[12:13] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS-metalink	2017-02-16 23:56 	873
[12:13] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS-metalink.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:13] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:13] <jk^> [ ]	SHA1SUMS	2017-02-16 23:56 	909
[12:13] <leszek> jk^: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/SHA256SUMS
[12:14] <tsimonq2> Oh, bot automatically muted you, sorry jk^
[12:15] <jk^> ok
[12:15] <jk^> how have i to use? excuse, i'm not good on pc
[12:15] <leszek> if you have a linux box open a terminal and type in sha256 /path/to/downloaded/lubuntu.iso
[12:15] <leszek> of course adjust the path :)
[12:16] <leszek> this will give you the checksum for the downloaded iso. You can compare it with the one from the file linked above.
[12:16] <jk^> i'm on win yet
[12:17] <jk^> but i want to farewell it and i hope i'll good on lubuntu
[12:17] <leszek> jk^: this might help you. Seems to be a tool for windows https://bhoover.com/how-to-verify-checksum-windows/
[12:18] <tsimonq2> jk^: I'm going to be honest with you here, verifying the checksum of the ISO is absolutely best practice. It's the best way to make sure you don't have a faulty ISO. But it's not mandatory. ;)
[12:18] <tsimonq2> jk^: We highly recommend it because it helps solve a lot of problems, but it's not absolutely 100% necessary.
[12:18] <jk^> i just want to know: are MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 three different ways to check the downloaded file? Or have i to use all of them?
[12:18] <jk^> :\
[12:19] <leszek> those are 3 different ways
[12:19] <leszek> you can combine them though as md5 and sha1 are not collision free anymore
[12:20] <tsimonq2> Meaning, they're more succeptable to vulnerabilities.
[12:21] <jk^> i downloaded lubuntu from here http://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[12:21] <jk^> 16.04.02 - 32 bit version
[12:22] <Unit193> leszek: Though arguably since sha1 needs 100 computer years, and if the attacker has 100 computers, 16.04.2 is still below one year. ;)
[12:23] <jk^> is SHA256 the best way than SHA1 and MD5?
[12:23] <leszek> Unit193: true :)
[12:24] <jk^> ?
[12:25] <leszek> Unit193: though even apt deprecated sha1 signed repos. And it took years for them now to finally integrate apt-transport-https
[12:25] <leszek> jk^: its the most secure of the bunch.
[12:26] <Unit193> leszek: Correct, though since everything is gpg verified, https is actually less secure than the default.
[12:27] <leszek> how is that ?
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS	2017-02-16 23:56 	813
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS-metalink	2017-02-16 23:56 	873
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS-metalink.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	MD5SUMS.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	SHA1SUMS	2017-02-16 23:56 	909
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	SHA1SUMS.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	SHA256SUMS	2017-02-16 23:56 	1.2K
[12:36] <jk^> [ ]	SHA256SUMS.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:37] <jk^> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/
[12:37] <jk^> at this link
[12:37] <jk^> which of the listed have to click? :|
[12:37] <jk^> so bad on pc
[12:38] <jk^> i even don't know the differences between the link with .gpg and without the "gpg" :\
[12:46] <jk^> leszek
[12:46] <jk^> tsimonq2
[12:46] <jk^> Unit193
[12:47] <leszek> the one I linked already before the SHA256SUMS file
[12:49] <jk^> [14:36] <jk^> [ ]	SHA256SUMS	2017-02-16 23:56 	1.2K
[12:49] <jk^> [14:36] <jk^> [ ]	SHA256SUMS.gpg	2017-02-16 23:56 	933
[12:49] <jk^> the first? the one without .gpg?
[12:49] <jk^> :\
[12:49] <leszek> y
[12:49] <jk^> a51cc6e9bc2ccc8ff681e8d26ef62135bbd7ae2d77aa49e5f5866860f3e1f2bd *lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <jk^> and now?
[12:49] <jk^> what have i to do?
[12:49] <jk^> :\
[12:50] <leszek> jk^: read what I wrote before please. I am not going to repeat myself a dozen times. And I am eating currently
[12:51] <jk^> ok :\
[12:51] <jk^> i'm so bad on pc :\
[15:12] <red_> hey, I'm trying to install the latest version of Lubuntu and keep getting held up shortly after starting the install. I  run into Kernl Offset: 0x2 from 0xc1, end kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs, random: crng init done. It doesn't proceed after this stage, is it an easy fix or should I just bin this ancient laptop; I figured it'd be funny to revive it but so far it's more hassle than it's worth
[16:31] <User100> Hello.
[16:33] <wxl> User100: yes?
[16:35] <User100> Can you help me , put the internet to fuction, correctly.
[16:35] <wxl> ethernet or wireless?
[16:35] <User100> Ethernet.
[16:36] <User100> My computer uses ethernet wire for internet.
[16:37] <wxl> dumb question but how do you know it's not working? have you checked to see if you have a valid ip address? can you ping any site?
[16:37] <User100> My hp compaq, computer uses lubuntu 17.04.
[16:38] <User100> My computer is connected to a ethernet wire.
[16:39] <User100> My computer's wired connection 1 , settings ; show , normal network settings
[16:40] <User100> I clicked Mozilla fire fox and screen shows , No server found.
[16:40] <genii> Probably bug 1650877
[16:41] <User100> I clicked system updates and my computer screen shows , no server found.
[16:43] <genii> User100: I recommend to set DNSSEC=no in the file /etc/systemd/resolv.conf file and then sudo systemd-resolved restart, then try again
[16:44] <User100> Okay.
[16:44] <User100> I looked at network conf file, and shows loopback.
[16:53] <User100> How do I open a file?
[16:57] <User110> Hello.
[16:58] <User110> How can I use my computer to open a conf file?
[16:59] <xangua> What "conf file"?
[17:00] <genii> The simplest way no matter what desktop is to use the commandline, with either sudo vi /path/to/file  or sudo nano /path/to/file
[17:00] <genii> nano is easier for new users
[17:00] <User110> Okay
[17:03] <User110> How can I use my computer to edit a conf file? I used my computer to open a conf file and screen show permssion denied.
[17:06] <genii> User110: In command line, do: sudo nano /etc/systemd/resolv.conf      ...then, add to the bottom of the file: DNSSEC=no    ...then: ctrl and x keys together. Then just hit Enter key when asked about filename
[17:06] <genii> Meh
[17:06] <User110> Hello.
[17:06] <genii> User110: In command line, do: sudo nano /etc/systemd/resolv.conf ...then, add to the bottom of the file: DNSSEC=no ...then: ctrl and x keys together. Then just hit Enter key when asked about filename
[17:06] <User110> User110How can I use my computer to edit a conf file? I used my computer to open a conf file and screen show permssion denied.
[17:07] <User110> Ok
[17:09] <User110> How can i
[17:09] <User110> i
[17:10] <User110> How can I used my computer to enact a sudo service?
[17:11] <genii> Please clarify the question
[17:12] <User110> systemd-resolved restart
[17:13] <User110> How can I use my computer to enact a sudo service systemd-resolved restart ?
[17:16] <User110> Can sombody help me use firefox and system update with Lubuntu , 17.04?
[17:17] <User110> My computer is connected and my computer is on.
[17:19] <User110> Hello.
[17:53] <genii> If User110 returns, please give him directions of: sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved   ...if he hasn't rebooted already
[17:53]  * genii goes back to work again
[18:53] <User15> Hello.
[20:17] <User15> Hello.