[23:03] <javier> hey i just installed my ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop conpaq presario F500, and i hear my sound with echo, not clear like lagging but the system works very well it is just the sound,
[23:03] <white_eagle> Tyger see aboce
[23:03] <white_eagle> above*
[23:04] <gustavonarea> crowley1027: yes, why?
[23:04] <crowley1027> gustavonarea: what does it mean?
[23:04] <Pici> !offtopic | crowley1027
[23:04] <ubotu> crowley1027: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:04] <Jack_Sparrow> white_eagle: If you remove the three non-official repos. how many updates does it show
[23:04] <crowley1027> Pici: please be quiet, i'm not disturbing anybody.
[23:04] <white_eagle> Jack_Sparrow, I have to log off now
[23:05] <white_eagle> that window froze
[23:05] <gustavonarea> crowley: disappointed
[23:05] <white_eagle> bye
[23:05] <Tyger> pici: thanks, now how do i install a .tar.gz file?
[23:05] <Jack_Sparrow> crowley1027: That isnt nice, you are offtopic
[23:05] <DASPRiD> hellas, little problem: just installed apache2 with php5 on a fresh machine, restarted apache2 and downloaded phpmyadmin. but when i point the browser to the phpmyadmin dir, the browser tries to download the index file. nothing in the apache2 error log.
[23:05] <th0ger_ifa> javier: try to turn something off in 'alsamixer'. Perhaps monitor.
[23:06] <tockitj> Q: How to enable java support in firefox ? :-)
[23:06] <Jack_Sparrow> !java
[23:06] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[23:06] <th0ger_ifa> javier: i turnes off monitor and PCM1 to avoid echo
[23:06] <astro76> tockitj: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[23:06] <Pici> Tyger: A tar.gz file is just an archive, the equivalent of a .zip file.   To extract, type: tar -xzvf file.tar.gz or right click and 'extract here' in gnome.
[23:06] <tockitj> thanks
[23:06] <Tyger> pici: ok got that...now its just a folder full of files..
[23:06] <javier> thOger_ifa and ho can i do that?
[23:06] <Pici> Tyger: Read the README, or INSTALL file.
[23:07] <Demonho-br> ikonia, hello, can u help me ? my keyboard is u.s  im running kde  and i can see the flag u.s  in my panel.. but i cant type  everything right. ´e  ´a   C~ao    i want these symbols.. above letters. how can i do it ?
[23:07] <TKingdom> Got a quick question about installing ATI Proprietary drivers... Should I uncheck the USE option in the Restricted Drivers Manager for my current video card/drivers?
[23:07] <TKingdom> before installing the new drivers...
[23:07] <th0ger_ifa> javier: open a terminal and type alsamixer. Use cursors...
[23:08] <danielski_pl> sup everyone, (fresh install of ubuntu)
[23:08] <Jordan_U> TKingdom, The drivers in Restricted Manger ARE the restricted ATI drivers, unless you are installing a newer version manually
[23:08] <xenthro> !info zope
[23:08] <ubotu> Package zope does not exist in gutsy
[23:08] <Feanix> I am trying to upgrade to 7.10.: the updater is stuck with the step "modifying the software chnnels" and the info "fetching file 54 of 58"
[23:08] <Feanix> i am not sure if it is doing anything
[23:08] <TKingdom> Jordan_U:  Yes, I am manually updating the drivers.
[23:08] <th0ger_ifa> On ibook(gutsy/ppc): "No candidate version found for icedtea-java7-bin". Are my sources misconfigured, or is it not availble for ppc?
[23:08] <TKingdom> I have lag in certain games like Enemy Territory with my Radeon Xpress 200, even on low settings
[23:09] <TKingdom> I'm hoping new drivers might fix the problem
[23:09] <runemaste644> Does anyone know a good drag and drop HTML editor?
[23:09] <Demonho-br> ikonia, :(
[23:09] <TKingdom> Should I uncheck the use of the driver that is installed now?
[23:09] <Jordan_U> th0ger_ifa, It would be odd for it not to be available for PPC, do you have universe enabled?
[23:10] <Jordan_U> !html | runemaste644
[23:10] <ubotu> runemaste644: html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build web pages.  Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and KompoZer(Nvu).  For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com/
[23:10] <runemaste644> are any of those drag and drop?
[23:10] <Tyger> pici: im not understanding how to configure it and compile it...
[23:10] <javier> th0ger_ifa ok i put all the basr down to cero, and now i can't hear anything :) what else can i try please
[23:10] <Schiz0> What about vim? vim is a great html editor.
[23:10] <Pici> Tyger: What are you trying to install?
[23:10] <snoweman> Hey can anyone help me get my physics working on kiba dock?
[23:10] <Tyger> pici: the gdesklets that you showed me
[23:10] <runemaste644> Do I drag and drop html elements onto vim?
[23:10] <runemaste644> no
[23:11] <Pici> Tyger: Gdesklets are in the Ubuntu repositories
[23:11] <th0ger_ifa> javier: try differet combos. otherwise i cant help
[23:11] <Pici> !software | Tyger
[23:11] <ubotu> Tyger: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[23:11] <TKingdom> !ati
[23:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:12] <th0ger_ifa> Jordan_U: Ok, according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/interpreters/icedtea-java7-bin its not for ppc :-(
[23:12] <Darkmystere> Pici: Well that command didnt work i get this:Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
[23:12] <Darkmystere>     SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument.
[23:12] <snoweman> hey does anyone know about kiba dock here?
[23:12] <th0ger_ifa> Jordan_U: i have universe/multiverse
[23:12] <runemaste644> I do
[23:12] <Pici> Darkmystere: What are you providing as an argument?
[23:12] <Darkmystere> Pici: sudo iwconfig ath0 mode Monitor.
[23:13] <Darkmystere> am i suppose to set channel or somthing?
[23:13] <Pici> Darkmystere: lowercase monitor
[23:13] <Darkmystere> oh..
[23:13] <runemaste644> you need to install kiba-plugins first iirc
[23:13] <Darkmystere> if i log ill brb
[23:13] <Darkmystere> Pici: im guessing lowercase in Managed also?
[23:13] <Jordan_U> th0ger_ifa, Odd, it is available for PPC in hardy
[23:13] <Pici> Darkmystere: Indeed.
[23:14] <Darkmystere> Pici:ok, Thanks a bundle :)
[23:14] <th0ger_ifa> Jordan_U: i see
[23:14] <Darkmystere> Pici: Same problem...
[23:14] <th0ger_ifa> Jordan_U: can i install that version from Hardy then?
[23:14] <runemaste644> Screem is a carbon copy of bluefish!
[23:15] <Pici> Darkmystere: What is the command you are typing exactly?
[23:15] <Pici> Darkmystere: er, nm, I looked up.
[23:15] <Demonho-br> hello,  my keyboard is u.s  im running kde  and i can see the flag u.s  in my panel.. but i cant type  everything right. ´e  ´a   C~ao    i want these symbols.. above letters. how can i do it ?
[23:15] <TKingdom> So I thought I read somewhere to "uninstall" the current drivers before installing new ATI drivers, does anyone know if this is correct?
[23:15] <Jordan_U> th0ger_ifa, I don't know, I wouldn't recommend it unless someone specifically says it will work, or if you make your own Gutsy .deb from the source package
[23:16] <Pici> Darkmystere: I've never had an issue doing it with my intel 3945, but other cards may be different.
[23:16] <TKingdom> Demonho-br:  System > Preferences > Keyboard
[23:16] <Darkmystere_> Pici: Still getting same problem.
[23:16] <TKingdom> Change the layout of your keyboard
[23:16] <jack_spratt> is it possible to install ubuntu onto a 2gb usb pen drive?
[23:16] <bruenig> 2 gb is pushing it
[23:16] <jack_spratt> bruenig: how much does an unmodified install take?
[23:16] <th0ger_ifa> Jordan_U: thanks
[23:16] <Demonho-br> TKingdom, kde
[23:16] <TKingdom> oh, nevermind.
[23:17] <wargame> need info
[23:17] <Demonho-br> TKingdom, in kcontrol its  u.s  intl   model pc105
[23:17] <Owner_> can anybody provide some help with a broadcom 4318 WLAN installation?
[23:17] <Demonho-br> because its a notebook
[23:17] <Demonho-br> but nothing is working
[23:17] <Demonho-br> :(
[23:17] <wargame> how upgrade the kernel
[23:17] <Nirevus> Can anyone help me with this issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=689542
[23:17] <TKingdom> Sorry, not familiar with KDE
[23:17] <Slart> How can I do a one-time adjustment of my clock to a ntp-server?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> th0ger_ifa, np
[23:18] <Jordan_U> !kernel | wargame
[23:18] <c1|freaky> how can i prevent apt from trying to "upgrade" or "downgrade" a package which i manually installed? i manually installed the ati driver and now everytime i run apt-get upgrade it tries to "upgrade" my manually installed drivers which first get generated as a .deb by the ati-installer.sh - i can't remember how to stop apt from trying that. can someone help me? apt-pinning doesnt seem to work?
[23:18] <ubotu> wargame: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[23:18] <Jordan_U> !pin | c1|freaky
[23:18] <ubotu> c1|freaky: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[23:19] <wargame> thank you
[23:19] <wargame> i try it
[23:19] <astro76> !doesnt work | c1|freaky
[23:19] <ubotu> c1|freaky: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[23:19] <overdub> Slart: rdate -s time.server
[23:19] <Zeddie> what is a good window manager that supports multiple screens?
[23:19] <gyaresu> Something is spanking my HDD. Anyone know of a 'top'-like programme for seeing what it is?
[23:19]  * zoom is back (gone 02:13:44)
[23:19] <Slart> overdub: thanks.. trying it now
[23:20] <Nirevus> Can anyone help me with this issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=689542
[23:20] <Slart> gyaresu: atop might give you some info..
[23:20] <c1|freaky> is there a possibility to just let apt ignore a package?
[23:20] <jrgotti> if i wanted a script to run every minute, what would the crontab look like? "* * * * * /path/to/script" ?
[23:21] <astro76> c1|freaky: it's still pinning
[23:21] <Schiz0> jrgotti: yes, I believe so
[23:21] <astro76> jrgotti: yes
[23:22] <c1|freaky> astro76: ok. how can i pin a complete package without versioning stuff. i just want apt not to do anything about that i installed other packages versions?
[23:22] <Invisible_Ubunti> Nirevus, unplug your USB Key or USB Hard Drive when booting see if it boots faser
[23:22] <Invisible_Ubunti> faster*
[23:22] <feebz> can somebody walk me through the installation of the nvidia drivers/getting desktop effects to work
[23:22] <Nirevus> Invisible_Ubunti, I'll try now
[23:23] <goldenlinux> how do i download ubuntu on spanish
[23:23] <andersbr> Anyone know how to get my Ubuntu lappy working with this Mac-centric network?
[23:23] <astro76> c1|freaky: I'm not that familiar with it, but that is what you want, you said it didn't work, so you should ask the channel what you tried and how to make it work
[23:23] <Nirevus> Invisible_Ubunti, could it be a USB web cam? As that might have been plugged in when this problem began, whereas the USB stick that's in there has been in there for months now
[23:23] <c1|freaky> kk ill paste it somewhere on the web
[23:23] <astro76> goldenlinux: it's the same install cd as english
[23:23] <yurimxpxman> what can I use to convert a video to VOB?
[23:24] <Invisible_Ubunti> Nirevus, Unplug all USB Devices, then see if that increases the boot time, if it does plug in one and see if it increases the boot time by alot
[23:24] <goldenlinux> i need to download ubuintu on spanish
[23:24] <astro76> !es | goldenlinux
[23:24] <ubotu> goldenlinux: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:24] <yurimxpxman> !vob|yurimxpxman
[23:24] <Invisible_Ubunti> goldenlinux, download ubuntu when it asks Language to install Select Spanish
[23:24] <goldenlinux> ok
[23:25] <enzo> i have kernel 2.6.22, do you know when 2.6.24 will be in the repository ? i need last kernel for my sound card
[23:25] <wargame> why       dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[23:25] <astro76> enzo: it will be in hardy, ubuntu 8.04
[23:25] <gyaresu> Slart: Hey. Nice. Just installed and ran as root. seems to give me info about read/write/io etc. but not which process is associated with it... Might be some more options I can look into. Thanks.
[23:25] <putnum> i installed kubuntu and I love it! But i get a message before x loads saying my monitor is out of synch any ideas why?
[23:25] <enzo> no way to have it in gusty until hardy is released so, astro76 ?
[23:25] <Invisible_Ubunti> putnum, because you don't have the right sync rates in your xorg.conf file maybe?
[23:26] <astro76> enzo: not unless you compile your own
[23:26] <Slart> gyaresu: you're welcome.. I don't know of any other tool that gives info on hard drive activity.. hope you find what you're looking for
[23:26] <putnum> ok how do i set those?
[23:26] <enzo> ok astro76
[23:26] <Invisible_Ubunti> putnum, find out what your sync is, and edit your xorg.conf files at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:27] <putnum> ok how do i find out what synch rate i have?
[23:27] <c1|freaky> ok now again. i have a question about apt-pinning. i installed drivers from ati.com and dont want ubuntu to upgrade the drivers to the ubuntu versions. i wrote the following in /etc/apt/preferences: http://main.freakyy.de/apt-pinning.txt - it still tries to install ubuntu packages when doing apt-get upgrade - can someone help me and tell me what im doing wrong?
[23:27] <tim167> is ther any good DJ-ing program for ubuntu ?
[23:27] <Invisible_Ubunti> putnum, I have to say Monitor Manual would go along way?
[23:27] <Nirevus> Invisible_Ubunti, surprise, surprise, it worked :)
[23:27] <Invisible_Ubunti> Nirevus, glad to help
[23:27] <putnum> yea i don't have a manual anymore but i'll look on google
[23:27] <g-know> i am using wubi, how do i boot to live cd mode after reboot
[23:27] <Nirevus> Invisible_Ubunti, I removed the flash drive and rebooted, much faster now. It's interesting how it was causing the BIOS to slow as well as Ubuntus load
[23:28] <barfender> My system crashes after 10 minutes when I am in xfce. The monitor receive no signal and i cannot access VT only hardware reboot works.. fglrxinfo, glxinfo tells me that the driver is loaded and working properly. Any ideas?
[23:28] <Invisible_Ubunti> Nirevus, make sure your Bios isn't set to try to boot off USB Devices that will cause a slow down
[23:28] <Invisible_Ubunti> barfender, probably your Power Management savings settings/conflicts
[23:28] <g-know> how do i get to live mode in wubi?
[23:29] <kgx> is it just me or is that that grep has a weird of searching for \s ?
[23:29] <JHalstead> I installed latest kernel yesterday and after the reboot.  "HAL" no longer works.  I don't have old kernel in grub menu.  how can I fix this??
[23:29] <runemaste644> ...there aren't any drag and drop html editors in the repos...
[23:29] <runemaste644> now what
[23:29] <Slart> kgx: what are you trying to search for?
[23:29] <kgx> i can't seem to grep -ReP '\s+account\s+' *
[23:29]  * Dr_willis wonders how a drag and drop html editor even works...
[23:29] <runemaste644> just like qt designer works
[23:30] <Slart> kgx: I think the \s is interpreted by bash.. try \\s
[23:30] <kgx> i'm looking for the occurence of account with spaces/new lines on either side
[23:30] <tim167> is anyone in here a DeeJay ? :)
[23:30] <noelferreira> i can't have sound both on my web browser and in my system (xmms, totem ...). what's the problem?
[23:30] <runemaste644> you drag and drop and it writes the code for you
[23:30] <Dr_willis> i normally time in text - seems much faster.. but if thers some windows editor you like. You could try it with wine.
[23:31] <barfender> Invisible_Ubunti : I ran 'xset q' and have make sured DPMS is disabled and that sleep, shutdown etc are 0 (disabled). Power management doesnt seems to be the problem either..
[23:31] <Angeliuz> hello?
[23:31] <runemaste644> I've tried portable dreamweaver in wine
[23:31] <runemaste644> doesn't work at all
[23:31] <g-know> how do i get to live mode in wubi?
[23:31] <kgx> Slart: that didn't work either
[23:31] <noelferreira> i can't have sound both on my web browser and in my system (xmms, totem ...). what's the problem?
[23:31] <amenado> JHalstead-> look under /boot  and see if your old kernel is hanging around
[23:31] <enzo> i've installed alsa driver with module-assistant, and it's 1.0.14 but 1.0.16 is released, do you know when module assistant will install 1.0.16 ?
[23:32] <JHalstead> nope, it's not in that folder.  just the newest
[23:32] <Slart> kgx: so.. you want to get lines like "account" " account" "account ".. but not "22account" "account22" , correct?
[23:32] <kgx> Slart: yes
[23:32] <crimsun> enzo: err, I only uploaded 1.0.16rc2 (plus hg changesets) a day ago or so.
[23:33] <crimsun> enzo: I'm holding off on 1.0.16 final, because there's already a queue of changesets to apply to 1.0.16 final.
[23:33] <enzo> well it means 1.0.15 was released  crimsun
[23:33] <Slart> kgx: should it get lines like "account 44" ?
[23:33] <enzo> you maintain module assistant for ubuntu crimsun?
[23:33] <crimsun> enzo: no (thank goodness).
[23:33] <crimsun> enzo: I formerly maintained alsa-*
[23:33] <kgx> slart: yeah thats fine. basically i need to find occurences of account and chnage them to accounts in sql queries
[23:34] <Slart> kgx: ok.. hang on..I'll get back to you in a minute or so
[23:34] <enzo> so you've dropped 1.0.15 and you'll add 1.0.16 as sooner as it's releases, something like that crimsun?
[23:34] <white_eagle> what is better for starters: vim or emacs?
[23:34] <white_eagle> begginers*
[23:34] <crimsun> enzo: I didn't touch 1.0.15 at all.  What makes you think that?
[23:34] <kgx> vim
[23:34] <Schiz0> !editor war
[23:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about editor war - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:34] <Dr_willis> white_eagle,  its better to learn vi at some point. There is a vimtutor program that tesches you the basics.
[23:34] <white_eagle> what is the meta key?
[23:35] <crimsun> enzo: see bug 189581
[23:35] <TKingdom> I'm updating my ATI proprietary drivers, just wondering if I need to uncheck the USE option in the Restricted Drivers Manager to upgrade manually to newer drivers... ?
[23:35] <Dr_willis> white_eagle,  thats the alt-key
[23:35] <enzo> cause module-assistant doesn't install 1.0.15, but 1.0.14
[23:35] <Vlet> Where does cron send errors to?
[23:35] <kgx> Vlet: /var/logs/system*
[23:35] <kgx> i think
[23:35] <Vlet> kgx: Thankya
[23:35] <g-know> i downloaded a 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD, but i am on an Intel one, will it work?
[23:35] <crimsun> enzo: I'm well aware.  See the bug I mentioned.
[23:35] <enzo> i look crimsunthanks
[23:36] <aricz_> white_eagle : emacs.. much more intuitive
[23:36] <amenado> g-know i dont know, give it a try and let us know okay?
[23:36] <enzo> i hope 1.0.16 will be backported to gusty, crimsun you think it'll be possible ?
[23:37] <enzo> i have intel audio, it's an headache to make it work...
[23:37] <g-know> i downloaded a 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD, but i am on an Intel one, will it work?
[23:38] <eTiger13> how do a search a folder full of plain text files for a particular string?
[23:38] <white_eagle> where can I make the font bigger in emacs
[23:38] <white_eagle> too tiny
[23:39] <kgx> eTiger13: grep -R 'findme' *
[23:39] <Grab> i dont have telnet enabled on my shell: can i use any alternative program to connect via telnet protocol ?
[23:39] <TKingdom> g-know:  Intel one, what? 64bit CPU?
[23:39] <Slart> kgx: try this one    grep -e '\(^\| \)account\($\| \)'
[23:39] <Darkmystere> Pici you get my message?
[23:39] <g-know> im not sure yet TKingdom,
[23:40] <browniehead> how can i make a backup, like a system restore kinda thing
[23:40] <Slart> kgx: it's basically grep -e '(^| )account($| )' but I had to escape ()|
[23:40] <TKingdom> g-know: i've been told by a friend of mine who knows a lot about linux that the 64bit version doesn't really give better performance for the average user.
[23:40] <kgx> Slart: beauty mate...thanks for that :) works perfect
[23:40] <luca__> how can i have a list in console of the programs that i'm running to see the id and kill them?
[23:40] <iDivine_> Hello.
[23:40] <Slart> kgx: you're welcome
[23:40] <browniehead> is there a sys restore something like windows has
[23:41] <CyberGabber> browniehead: I your using Gnome, check out 'simple backup'
[23:41] <astro76> luca__: ps aux
[23:41] <luca__> thats rite thank :D
[23:41] <browniehead> ok
[23:42] <browniehead> that works with ubuntu 7.10 gutsy right?
[23:42] <TKingdom> g-know: perhaps this will help.  http://fixunix.com/ubuntu/126583-version-intel-coreii-duo-cpu.html
[23:42] <Darkmystere> Anyone have an idea why airodump-ng shows no access points?
[23:43] <browniehead> is this easyt o use
[23:43] <Tonglebeak> hey guys, i'm a gentoo user and am having a problem with a wireless mouse i got, not working. i know this is the ubuntu channel, but i'm not really getting any support from #gentoo with it :( anybody think they can help?
[23:43] <rodserling> Anyone know why my monitor goes completely black for 2 seconds every 15-30 minutes? I just installed a new Video card (7300LE) and Powersupply. It did not do this before.
[23:43] <CyberGabber> browniehead: A Ghost-'clone' for linux : G4L , see http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l
[23:43] <rodserling> I think the nvidia card might not be configured properly
[23:44] <TKingdom> Tonglebeak:  Might be a dumb question, drivers installed?
[23:44] <astro76> Tonglebeak: this is ubuntu only as you suspected, try #linux
[23:45] <TKingdom> hmmm
[23:45] <TKingdom> !mirrors
[23:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive - PLEASE use the !torrents to download Gutsy, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[23:46] <Slart> !uuid
[23:46] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[23:46] <danbhfive> how do I check a fat32 disk for bad blocks?
[23:46] <TKingdom> Anyone know where to get mirrors for Repositorys
[23:46] <TKingdom> !repositorys
[23:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repositorys - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:47] <mahmoud_> !repositories | TKingdom
[23:47] <ubotu> TKingdom: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[23:47] <stelt> i'm doing hardly anything, have 4G of RAM and still my HD keeps going
[23:47] <TKingdom> Thanks.
[23:47] <astro76> TKingdom: in Software Sources control panel, pick other.. from the Download from: drop-down list
[23:47] <TKingdom> yeah, i guess spelling correctly would help.
[23:47] <TKingdom> okay
[23:47] <genii> TKingdom: Almost all mirrors are named like: XX.archive.ubuntu.com   where XX is country code
[23:48] <astro76> ubuntu.com mirrors but there are many others ;)
[23:48] <TKingdom> It's an advantage to have mirrors, correct?
[23:48] <TKingdom> usually faster download times from what I hear
[23:48] <astro76> TKingdom: you can only set one source for each repo, so usually pick the one closest to you/fastest one for you
[23:48] <fxr_> ubuntu live cd has sound right?
[23:49] <TKingdom> Okay, thanks guys.
[23:49] <luca__> how can i open firefox if when im trying to open it said that its still running but doesn't respond??
[23:49] <astro76> luca__: 'killall firefox' and 'killall firefox-bin'
[23:49] <TKingdom> ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[23:50] <TKingdom> even better
[23:50] <astro76> TKingdom: if you are offering that as a (poor) solution you should at least warn someone they will lose unsaved work...
[23:50] <zelrikriando> hello
[23:50] <luca__> astro76: thanks a million :D
[23:50] <TKingdom> That's true.
[23:51] <astro76> TKingdom: we take care of the beginners in this channel ;)
[23:51] <TKingdom> I know, I am one so I shouldnt be answering other beginners.
[23:51] <TKingdom> My apologies.
[23:52] <TKingdom> Common sense doesn't come into play until you know what you are doing.  I've learned that myself
[23:52] <astro76> very true
[23:52] <Photo1> Oh god, trying to extract Blender to my Home folder. I suspect I need superuser priviliges. How to?
[23:52] <astro76> Photo1: to extract it, you shouldn't
[23:53] <astro76> Photo1: are you aware Blender is in ubuntu's repositories?
[23:53] <Photo1> It's supposed to create a folder named ".blender", but no such folder appears when I use Archive Manager
[23:53] <Photo1> astro76: ... lol.
[23:53] <Starnestommy> .directories are hidden
[23:53] <astro76> is that a yes Photo1 ?
[23:53] <Jouva> pepperjack: Just wanted to let you know everything worked just fine with the pamusb. Thanks for pointing me in that direction!
[23:53] <TKingdom> astro76: Dumb question...All the mirrors in the 'Other' section of 'Download From:' are the exact same, right?
[23:54] <Photo1> Well, it's not in any menu. You mean I can install it by some automated method?
[23:54] <astro76> TKingdom: yes it will set all your repos (main, universe, multiverse) to use that mirror, but it's all the ubuntu repos
[23:54] <unstable> I am trying to setup gutsy to share printing, I have an HP printer connected via USB to gutsy. I can print fine from gutsy, I need to setup sharing so this Vista laptop can print using the printer connected to the Gutsy desktop.
[23:54] <TKingdom> Thanks again.
[23:54] <haxality> hi, I was wondering how to remove gdm and use startx to initiate my window manager instead
[23:54] <astro76> Photo1: sudo apt-get install blender, or install it through synaptic package manager
[23:54] <Photo1> Right. Brb :)
[23:55] <ninix> hi........ anyone here had some problem with their NFS server since update to Gutsy?
[23:55] <unstable> Can a vista laptop print to a gutsy desktop that has a printer attached to it over the network?
[23:55] <astro76> haxality: well to remove gdm from starting you can do: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove
[23:56] <astro76> haxality: at that point I believe you can just startx
[23:56] <frost0> is it possible to get frets on fire working on linux w/ a guitar hero controller and a ps2-to-usb adapter? ? ?
[23:56] <danielski_pl> how do i install X11 mouse themes?
[23:57] <enzo> do you know approximatively when hardy will be released ?
[23:57] <TKingdom> danielski_pl:  Unpack to your .icons folder in Home
[23:57] <TKingdom> You may have to show Hidden files (CTRL+H)
[23:57] <astro76> enzo: the version tells you, 8.04, year.month
[23:57] <frost0> anyone here have Frets on Fire?
[23:57] <haxality> hi, I was wondering how to remove gdm and use startx to initiate my window manager instead
[23:57] <rainwalker> is flash fixed?
[23:58] <enzo> ahhh astro76, i didn't know, thanks !
[23:58] <genjix> hi!
[23:58] <TKingdom> frost0: I'm not too familiar with controllers on here, but have you tried configuring the Guitar controller like a normal joystick?
[23:59] <rainwalker> !flash
[23:59] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:59] <frost0> TKingdom, sort of...i have a program for joystick calibration..but no luck :(
[23:59] <mcr> hmm. I'm trying to debug an install of hardy heron alpha on my spare laptop. ... it seems to have missed the xorg kbd and mouse input modules.
[23:59] <mcr> that's my guess based upon /var/log/gdm/:0.log, and the fact that keyboard/mouse don't work in X.
[23:59] <astro76> mcr: #ubuntu+1 for hardy
[23:59] <TKingdom> Yeah, I assume if you can get it to work in general then it will work for any games that supports joystick controls.


[00:10] <infinity> cjwatson: FWIW, the current level of the haskell transition is stuck on asn1-types being in Debian/NEW.
[00:11] <infinity> cjwatson: I was thinking of just packaging it from upstream+darcs and giving it a non-ubuntu version, so it can be synced over.
[00:29] <infinity> (and done)
[02:20] <cjohnston> knome: and anyone else. For a blueprint for UDS (and summit.ubuntu.com), it needs to be <track>-<cycle/uds(s/1305)>-name. For status, naming doesn't matter unless it's a topic. If it's a topic it should be topic-s-<category>-name where category would be something like flavor, unity, community, etc.
[02:24] <cjohnston> knome: when you come online, please ping me
[04:53]  * infinity curses haskell-conduit's FTBFS on armhf.
[04:53] <infinity> Laney: Any insight into the above?
[05:59] <infinity> cjwatson: I nudged the haskell transition along a fair bit, but stalled it intentionally at dep level 24ish, since half the rest of the world build-deps on conduit, which is FTBFS on armhf.
[05:59] <StevenK> ... dep level 24.
[07:05] <Mirv> the 6 unity raring SRU packages are still hopeful of getting in. I understood two weeks ago that the scripts would be up to the task in theory, but please let us know if we should do something more regarding the first raring SRU.
[07:06] <Mirv> up to the task since it's the new style sync requests from the daily process PPA
[08:55] <cjwatson> infinity: Well, that's just boring.  (Thanks)
[09:00] <knome> cjohnston, ping
[09:01] <knome> cjohnston, our umbrella blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-saucy-flavor-xubuntu. shall i go and change the name?
[10:41] <cjwatson> infinity: conduit fails with the LLVM backend on i386 too, it seems - it's just that armhf is our only architecture that requires that
[10:42] <cjwatson> I think it's something to do with the way it handles variadic open
[10:58] <cjwatson> Ah yes, works if I avoid that
[11:21] <cjohnston> knome: hey, still here?
[11:32] <knome> cjohnston, now i am
[11:35] <cjohnston> knome: I think that the name is fine
[11:35] <knome> cjohnston, ok. let me know if we need to change some stuff :)
[11:36] <cjohnston> knome: my question is that xubuntu-dev doesn't seem to be used... http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/xubuntu-dev.html  it all seems to be going to xubuntu-team...
[11:36] <cjohnston> Can we remove xubuntu-dev from status?
[11:36] <knome> cjohnston, at the moment, yes.
[11:36] <knome> cjohnston, i don't think we need that to show in the status specifically though
[11:37] <knome> cjohnston, i'm trying to avoid assigning to teams where possible, but... meh. :)
[11:37] <cjohnston> The BP as a whole should be assigned to a team normally, that way any work items that may not be 'spoken for' are assigned to the team
[11:38] <cjohnston> So I will remove xubuntu-dev and leave xubuntu-team
[11:39] <knome> cjohnston, yes, agreed with the assigning stuff :) thanks
[11:40] <cjohnston> ty
[11:40] <zequence-s> cjohnston, Are you the man to talk to about approving blueprints for saucy? - I'd like to set up blueprints for Ubuntu Studio soonish
[11:41] <cjohnston> infinity: would you like to handle this, or do you want me to?
[11:42] <knome> cjohnston, i understand it's not possible to have userpages for "everybody", but would it be too hard to pick the launchpad "realnames" to listings like "Status by assignee" here: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/xubuntu-team.html ?
[11:43] <cjwatson> infinity: OK, haskell-conduit 1.0.5-2 will fix this when it's autosynced
[11:43] <cjohnston> knome: your talking for noskaj?
[11:44] <knome> cjohnston, and xubuntu-team
[11:44] <knome> cjohnston, i mean i'm not asking to create those userpages.
[11:44] <knome> cjohnston, just that the LP nicks would be replaced with LP realnames in all listings generally
[11:44] <knome> consider as wishlist
[11:47] <cjohnston> knome: I don't know why xubuntu-team does, as xubuntu-team is a team that is being imported.. as far as for users, if you could file a bug http://launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker please
[11:47] <knome> i'll do that sometime this week. cheers!
[11:47] <cjohnston> ty
[11:48] <zequence-s> I need to log out for a while, so will come back about blueprints..
[11:54] <knome> cjohnston, i just wish it was written in PHP so i could help with it...
[11:55] <cjohnston> ;-)
[11:55] <cjohnston> I want to rewrite it using django
[12:19] <ogra_> cjwatson, could you take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706604/ .... the target is to keep a clean tarball but generate boot images per subarch
[12:21] <cjwatson> ogra_: looks mostly ok; the two things I noticed are that the wildcards in that rm line won't be expanded because you have them inside the quotes (fix: just move the -* outside the quotes), and that perhaps you could make it faster by running update-initramfs for just the appropriate -k rather than -k all
[12:22] <cjwatson> some kind of quoting and error handling around the assignment to kpkg would be a good idea too
[12:22] <ogra_> well, getting the version for -k would add some extra code i wanted to avoid
[12:22] <cjwatson> ogra_: you've already gone to most of the effort there in assigning to kpkg
[12:22] <cjwatson> isn't it just ${kpkg#linux-image-} ?
[12:23] <ogra_> hmm, indeed it is
[12:23] <cjwatson> alternatively: refactor the loop to install all the kernel packages you care about, update the initramfses for all of them, and copy them all out in one go
[12:23] <cjwatson> should save you time apt-get installing and removing stuff each time round the loop
[12:28] <ogra_> well, but that would leave me with two loops ... one for installing, one for removing, i guess it will be the same time wise in the end ... i could split off the crda and wireless-regdb stuff though
[12:31] <ogra_> whopps, the apt-get calls need to be chrooted indedd
[12:31] <ogra_> *indeed
[12:35] <cjwatson> If nothing else you could save installing/removing crda and wireless-regdb over and over
[12:35] <cjwatson> Yeah
[12:35] <cjwatson> I was just thinking that it would allow you to use -k all if you wanted
[14:59] <tseliot> infinity, cjwatson: can you approve the following packages in NEW please? nvidia-graphics-drivers-319 nvidia-settings-319 nvidia-modprobe nvidia-persistenced and nvidia-prime
[15:05] <tseliot> or Laney ^
[15:15] <Laney> I cannot
[15:15] <ogra_> try harder
[15:19] <tseliot> :D
[16:11] <ogra_> gar
[16:11] <ogra_> so seems my kver stuff also needs to be chrooted :P
[16:34] <infinity> cjwatson: Ooo, that conduit made it just under the publisher wire too.  I'll get back to tossing builds back in a bit too, you can blissfully ignore it again.
[16:34] <infinity> cjwatson: (Seems like a good use of my Monday morning brain)
[16:36] <cjwatson> I'll be around for a bit, already have the first batch queued up :)
[16:36] <cjwatson> But yeah, I'll ignore it this evening after this
[16:37] <cjwatson> I think the only other piece of manual work needed is a sync of haskell-hakyll *after* I manage to construct a working source+binary upload to Debian (build-deps are uninstallable in unstable at the moment)
[16:38] <cjwatson> I really have very little brain today anyway
[16:45] <infinity> I need to go renew my passport today too, or I'm not travelling anywhere this summer.
[17:11] <cjwatson> infinity: Actually, don't rush.  Joachim just did another 13 uploads to bring us up to the current upstream haskell-platform release, so that'll be some rebuilds :-/
[17:11] <infinity> cjwatson: Heh.
[17:11] <infinity> cjwatson: My assumption is that if we finish off our self-imposed ABI transition, any subsequent syncs/uploads will Just Work without any babysitting.
[17:12] <cjwatson> Any new upstream of haskell-$foo is an ABI change for all the stuff that depends on it.
[17:12] <infinity> Oh, right.
[17:12] <cjwatson> Or any interface change in a patch.
[17:12] <infinity> Such an awesome design.
[17:14] <cjwatson> Since Debian was uploading everything anyway, it was actually easier to force a compiler ABI change at the same time; it meant that everything failed until its deps were ready, rather than requiring 0-change uploads.
[17:16] <cjwatson> So we could rush and get this one done before the next auto-sync, but meh if we're going to have to do all of haskell-text's rdeps again anyway
[17:17] <cjwatson> And it was all going so well ...
[17:21] <infinity> Right, time to wake up and shower and see if I can go for a third passport photo in a row where I mysteriously look exactly the same as I did 11 years ago.
[17:53] <phillw> cjwatson: just a quick question... can launchpad ppa area compile up a PPC version from source if asked?
[17:59] <stgraber> phillw: devirt PPA can be used for that but they're restricted to Canonical employees as they use the same builders as the distro
[18:02] <cjwatson> And because they have effectively no (or very weak) security against a malicious user installing some kind of persistent process that fiddles about with future builds.
[18:03] <phillw> stgraber: thanks. It's just the PPC guys have asked to have a play with xombrero which julien does keep at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps whilst Luis Henriques battles with licensing issues to have the new version accepted into debian :)
[18:03] <cjwatson> This is really a #launchpad question, but the answer is going to be no due to long-standing policy, I'm afraid.
[18:04] <phillw> cjwatson: thanks, it was worth asking :)
[18:06] <phillw> one of the ppc guys is going to have to learn https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo one of them has offered, but he is busy in RL for a couple of weeks. No worries, it is of very low urgency (aka wish-list).
[18:06] <cjwatson> Eh, just have somebody set up sbuild, not that hard
[18:07] <phillw> cjwatson: but does it not have to build on a PPC machine?
[18:07] <cjwatson> Install sbuild package, 'mk-sbuild saucy', fiddle with /etc/schroot/chroot.d/<whatever the new file is called> if need be, sbuild -d saucy foo.dsc
[18:09] <cjwatson> phillw: Yes, in general.  But one might hope that your ppc guys have such things.
[18:10] <cjwatson> ("in general" because it is possible to play tricks with qemu and/or cross-building in some cases.)
[18:10] <cjwatson> (but I wouldn't recommend starting there.)
[18:11] <phillw> cjwatson: they do, but none of the devs have. Would it be possible using  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#How_to_test_on_any_architectures_.28using_qemu.29
[18:11] <cjwatson> "CompilingEasyHowTo" seems designed to make it sound as scary as possible.
[18:11] <cjwatson> phillw: In principle you could do it in a VM, sure.  It would be very slow.
[18:12] <phillw> h eh, do you know of better documentation?
[18:12] <phillw> more than 12 hours?
[18:12] <phillw> as in slow ^^
[18:12] <cjwatson> That would obviously rather depend on the package!
[18:12] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto - if you don't have LVM set up then drop the --vg=blah argument
[18:13] <cjwatson> 'mk-sbuild --arch=powerpc saucy' will have a go at setting things up with qemu user-mode emulation.  Might work.  Known to have trouble with sufficiently complicated packages that rely on decent threading support during the build, but works with a fair number of simpler things.
[18:14]  * infinity notes that quantal has a higher version than raring in that PPA.
[18:14] <phillw> thanks, that gives various options. shame that openbios-ppc is only there as a .deb. I'd run a VM on my server area, but it is CentOS (red-hat)
[18:15] <cjwatson> It's perfectly possible to pick apart .debs on RH machines.
[18:15] <phillw> not for me, it isn't :D
[18:16] <infinity> Or just install it on an Ubuntu machine, and grab the binary you want from /usr/share/openbios-ppc
[18:16] <cjwatson> Ten seconds' googling found http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/04/view-and-extract-packages/ (e.g.)
[18:17] <phillw> cjwatson: I did have a try, but my knowledge is insufficient. I managed a compile of pcmanfm with a LOT of help.
[18:18] <phillw> infinity: if I cp that over, would virt-manager be able to use it?
[18:18] <infinity> No idea, I don't use either virt-manager or RHEL.
[18:19] <cjwatson> Might be more sensible to ask in some RHish channel ...
[18:19] <phillw> infinity: thanks, I'll go do some digging, but TBH. centos people are not the most helpful on irc :)
[18:19] <cjwatson> Ubuntu people aren't going to be helpful about CentOS, I'm afraid.
[18:20] <cjwatson> Your problem :)
[18:20] <phillw> unless I have a bug fix for a kernel problem from red-hat :D
[18:20] <phillw> I do understand. But when I'm on there, it is for CentOS issues :)
[18:21] <infinity> phillw: http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/xombrero/
[18:21] <infinity> phillw: Enjoy.
[18:21] <infinity> (That was built on raring)
[18:22] <phillw> infinity: PPC?
[18:22] <cjwatson> Try looking at the directory listing ...
[18:22] <infinity> Yes...
[18:23] <phillw> infinity / cjwatson you people are stars of the 1st magnitude. Thanks!
[18:23]  * cjwatson wonders whether this would work in qemu, and tries.
[18:23] <tumbleweed> qemu's PPC emulation seems *very* slow
[18:24] <cjwatson> I mean user mode.  I can't be bothered with full-system emulation.
[18:24] <phillw> tumbleweed: it is, but it has a lot to do!
[18:24] <infinity> tumbleweed: Is it even worse, clock-for-clock than ARM (I'd expect it to be, I guess, given that people emulate ARM for a reason, emulating PPC just means you're too cheap to buy a computer)
[18:25] <phillw> tumbleweed: many years ago, windows would run faster in the newest PPC chipsets than it could on the intel based ones. That was REALLY weird (But we talking win 3.1 as to how long ago).
[18:26] <phillw> +under emulation
[18:26] <tumbleweed> yeah, user-mode
[18:27] <infinity> phillw: Nothing all that weird about it, PPC740/750 was wildly faster than the Pentiums of the time.
[18:28] <infinity> (POWER7 and the upcoming POWER8 still eat Intel's lunch too, for that matter, as long as you don't mind running a trunk cable from the local nuclear reactor to your living room)
[18:29] <phillw> But, I have distracted you all for far too long. Many thanks for all the information and I'll let the PPC testers know of the xombrero link for them to try. At least that way they can decide if they want to give time and effort into testing it.
[18:31] <phillw> infinity: lol ^^ :D
[20:03] <stgraber> infinity: hey, aware of any script that lets you grab the latest lp-buildd chroots from the API and set them up as local sbuild chroots?
[20:04] <stgraber> would like to cron something like that on some of my boxes so I don't have to care about updating my chroots and can ensure I'm relatively close to our buildd chroots
[21:28] <infinity> stgraber: No, but if you're doing sbuild backed by tarballs, the chroots from the API should just feed in unmodified.
[21:29] <infinity> (Oh, they might also barf on CurrentlyBuilding not being set up, you might want a setup.d snippet to make that happen)
[21:30] <infinity> stgraber: I had always meant to do an lp-buildd emulation wrapper for sbuild to do basically what you're talking about.
[21:31] <infinity> stgraber: Though, it would work even better if you mixed it up with a local nameserver that gimped name resolution the same way the DC does, as that's a cause of some curious build failures.
[21:32] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, currently the only things I changed here are removing CurrentlyBuilding and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bootstrap.list and then update sources.list to include all the bits I want (typically all 4 components for the release and updates pocket)
[21:34] <infinity> stgraber: The last bit I handle with Andy's handy dandy setup snippet.
[21:35] <infinity> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708191/
[21:35] <infinity> stgraber: That allows one to override if you don't want all components or don't want proposed, or whatever.
[21:36] <stgraber> oh, nice
[21:37] <infinity> (And means the base chroot can stay as main/release, so upgrading it doesn't accidentally pollute it)
[21:37] <infinity> Which is the big reason I use this.
[21:39] <infinity> cjwatson: Did you ever get anywhere interesting with automating cdimage archival, or should I go ahead and do oneiric by hand?
[21:39] <infinity> cjwatson: (IS informs me they have migrated to a machine with room and they're ready now)
[21:56] <cjwatson> infinity: Not started on it yet, sorry - do it by hand, and just keep the notes in EOLProcess up to date so they get as close as possible to an algorithm
[21:56] <cjwatson> I hear syncproxy is low enough on space that I'd better not block
[21:59] <infinity> cjwatson: Mmkay.  I'll go ahead and do the manual archival dance.
[21:59]  * infinity chuckles at today's xkcd.