[00:45] <jrwren> haha... SRE - simple restart everything
[03:36] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: just got word WMF voted thanks for your help :)
[14:46] <jrwren> https://ubuntu.com/blog/the-ubuntu-appliance-portfolio
[14:46] <jrwren> "self updating" i wonder if I have any control over that.
[14:52] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: no worries, I literally didn't push just said "hey, I got pinged, please take a look"
[14:52] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: meaning: it wasn't a forced vote, you earned it :)
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> cool :)
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> most AC members I deal with either don't know they're on the committee or forgot their password or something similar so this is like the best experience i've had haha
[14:55] <greg-g> Evan Prodromou is good people (our AC rep)
[14:55] <greg-g> you may know him from a bunch of things: wikitravel, identi.ca/status.net, some weird AI startup, and now Wikimedia :)
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> podromou is a name i recognize but i'm not sure from what
[15:02] <cmaloney> Oh snap
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> its fairly recognizable though
[15:02] <cmaloney> Evan is really good people
[15:03] <cmaloney> Evan is on my list of "favorite beverage on me"
[15:37] <greg-g> he's a PM for us on our Core Platform team
[15:42] <cmaloney> Oh, nice
[15:44] <rick_h> jrwren:  pay for a snap proxy store and sure
[15:44] <rick_h> (control over auto updating)
[15:49] <jrwren> ha! yeah.
[15:51] <cmaloney> Sorry, your fridge has a borked bind and cannot make ice
[17:04] <rick_h> well an the other side is "your fridge has a giant security whole folks can use to turn it off on you remotely and it's updated now"
[17:04] <rick_h> works both ways
[17:04] <rick_h> folks want routers maintained and security automatically but are afraid of those auto updates as well :/
[17:06] <cmaloney> rick_h: I just want the good things, not the bad things
[17:07] <cmaloney> make it work, dammit. ;)
[17:07]  * rick_h waves a magic wand
[17:08] <jrwren> lol, no, not at all.
[17:09] <jrwren> its very simple, never smart antyhing. my fridge, toaster, oven, microwave will never be networked.
[17:14] <greg-g> SAME
[17:14] <greg-g> unless I'm running joey hess' haskel driven solar powered freezer
[17:15] <greg-g> https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/my_haskell_controlled_offgrid_fridge/
[17:28] <mrgoodcat> not sure i understand the reason for an internet connected fridge
[17:39] <jrwren> it can place your amazon fresh order for you when you are out of sour cream.
[17:46] <jrwren> why is there an alexa microwave.
[17:46] <jrwren> http://quotegeek.com/quotes-from-movies/jurassic-park/397/
[17:47] <jrwren> oh sorry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY-pUxKQMUE
[19:10] <jrwren> links, lynx, or elinks?
[19:10] <cmaloney> w3m
[19:11] <cmaloney> though it depends on the use-case


[00:03] <JontheEchidna> brb reboot
[00:09]  * Daskreech waves
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> halp
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> X won't start
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> complains about a missig dri2 module
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> even after I've started with a clean xorg.conf
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> (Intrepid)
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> oh, and how do I switch channels in irssi?
[00:29] <Daskreech> Alt+Num
[00:29] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: So if you see a number light up on the bar press alt+that number
[00:30] <emunkki> might not work if terminal app is using those as shortcuts
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: thanks
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> emunkki: don't worry, x won't even start
[00:34] <emunkki> ha
[00:34] <emunkki> why not try /disco, you will get fancy discolights ;)
[00:34] <emunkki> buahaha.
[00:35] <Daskreech> That was mean
[00:35] <emunkki> naah.. ;)
[00:35] <emunkki> classic!
[00:36] <emunkki> who believes that you can get disco lights in an irc client?
[00:36] <Daskreech> Or maybe it will {disco}nnect you JontheEchidna
[00:36] <emunkki> JontheEchidna, got you ;)
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> took away input
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, that'd explain it
[00:37]  * JontheEchidna faceplams
[00:38] <emunkki> ;))
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> so
[00:39] <Daskreech> so
[00:39] <emunkki> so
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> I've never seen an X error that couldn't be fixed by reverting xorg.conf to it's original state
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> this is weird
[00:39] <emunkki> ...until now?
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> yes
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> complains about a missing dri2 module
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> bah, I'll do a fresh install...
[00:43] <emunkki> ;)
[00:44] <emunkki> i wonder if he wanted seriously to see the disco lights.
[01:06]  * JontheEchidna is on the liveCD
[01:06]  * Daskreech grins
[01:06] <Daskreech> chroot?
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> wut?
[01:07] <Daskreech> Ha ha
[01:10] <Daskreech> hwo are you fixing the X from a Live Cd?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> I'm not
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> I'm doing a fresh install
[01:15] <dhuv> hello all
[01:16] <dhuv> I was wondering if this is the place to ask a few questions related to KDE4.
[01:16] <Daskreech> Ah missed that part
[01:16] <Daskreech> Ibex?
[01:16] <Daskreech> dhuv: #kubuntu-kde4 unless the question starts out how can I help develop....
[01:33] <dhuv> Daskreech: thanks
[02:52] <Daskreech> How do I find out which package is associated with the group halclient ?
[02:53] <Xander_laptop> hey hp
[02:54] <Xander_laptop> whats up?
[02:56] <Xander_laptop> apachelogger: hey
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I love Adept 3.0!
[03:17] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: from PPA?
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> yup
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: just two things I noticed
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> -Rebuilding the Xaipian index was slow
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> -the xaipian builder process was using 100 MB RAM
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> Don't know how avoidable those issues are
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> but I updated 62-some packages without any problesm
[03:29] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: do you know how I check pacakges for which groups they create?
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:31] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna you wouldn't happen to know which package creates halclient group ?
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> you mean like a usergroup?
[03:33] <Daskreech> Ye
[03:33] <Daskreech> s
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> ih
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> *oh
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> maybe libhal?
[03:34]  * JontheEchidna restarts KDE
[03:37] <jjesse> that was quick :)
[03:37] <Daskreech> He's an Echidna :)
[03:37] <jjesse> what exactly is an echidna?
[03:39] <Daskreech> A greek Female monster
[03:40]  * jjesse learns something new
[03:40]  * jjesse goes back to listening to baseball game
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> um
[03:41] <Hobbsee> a greek female monster???
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> no
[03:41]  * Hobbsee attacks Daskreech with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[03:42] <vorian> evening all
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> an echidna is an animal
[03:42] <Hobbsee> jjesse: http://www.abc.net.au/science/scribblygum/June2000/img/f_echid10.jpg
[03:42] <Daskreech> named after a Female Greek monster :)
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> bah
[03:43] <jjesse> watch out for that stick of doom
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> plasmoid-* packages need a rebuild
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[03:43] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Have you tried out KDE4.1 yet?
[03:43]  * Hobbsee doesn't like echidnas crossing the road when she's attempting to get to work
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i haven't.  how is it?
[03:44] <ScottK> Dunno.  I was hoping you'd tried it.
[03:44] <jjesse> looks like a porcupine
[03:44] <Daskreech> Kompelling :)
[03:44] <jjesse> i enjoy kde 4.1
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah.  there are some differences, but i dont' remember what they are
[03:44] <ScottK> I've been spending all my (K)Ubuntu time lately filing Launchpad bugs.
[03:45] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: !!1
[03:45]  * Daskreech hugs Hobbsee deftly avoiding the pointy parts
[03:46] <Daskreech> Anyone knows what package craetes teh usergroup halclient ?
[03:46] <ScottK> Of course, to quote myself from comments in the Launchpad blog, "you can’t bugfix your way to a good design".
[03:46] <ScottK> I'm not hopeful.
[03:47] <ScottK> http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/simpler-launchpad-web-interface#comment-6542
[03:47] <crimsun> not offhand, but you could kludgily find out.  grep -nH halclient /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.p*
[03:47] <crimsun> ^ Daskreech
[03:47] <Daskreech> crimsun: Hmm?
[03:48] <Daskreech> crimsun: this is not for a package that's installed
[03:48] <ScottK> Heya crimsun.  I was just over by your apartment (my wife had to make it to JoAnn Fabric for an emergency zipper procurement before they closed at 9).
[03:48] <crimsun> ok, then I really have no idea
[03:48] <crimsun> ScottK: I live in Columbia Heights now
[03:48] <ScottK> Ah.  I'm not sure I know where that it.
[03:48] <crimsun> NW D.C.
[03:49] <ScottK> Oh.  Right.  I do know where that it.
[03:49] <ScottK> it/is
[03:49] <ScottK> Nevermind.  I wasn't close to your apartment at all tonight.
[03:51] <crimsun> I know what you meant ;)
[03:51] <Daskreech> Blaaaaa
[03:51] <crimsun> Daskreech: the closest I can google up is heartbeat-related
[03:51] <Daskreech> drbd is asking me to change the group of a executable file to halclient
[03:51] <Daskreech> Yeah it said that heartbeat would need it
[03:52] <Daskreech>  but .. should I just make a group halclient or is it expecting it to rely on some package
[03:52] <Daskreech> I have heartbeat installed
[03:52] <ScottK> crimsun: I actually lived close to there in the summer of '92 (at 16th and U).  It's a much nicer area now than it was then.
[03:53] <crimsun> Daskreech: I don't know offhand; are there README* in /usr/share/doc/$package ?
[03:53] <crimsun> ScottK: yeah, the U Street corridor is really hip these days
[03:53] <Daskreech> crimsun: Hmm
[03:55] <Daskreech> Yeah but say nothing about it
[04:49] <Daskreech> Hi manchicken
[04:50] <manchicken> Hiya
[05:00] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Unfortunately, can't do much about the Xapian rebuild... I'll limit it to once a week I guess, and even then, cronjob should take care of it, so most of the time, you won't see it...
[05:01] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: And thanks for the feedback. : - )
[05:32] <kishore> hey guys, i am testing kde4 trunk but seem to have issues with nepomuk/soprano/sesame2
[05:33] <kishore> it crashes continously and i believe is has something to do with dbus
[05:33] <kishore> running out of memory
[05:34] <kishore> http://rafb.net/p/1H2RgT54.html is a log autogenerated by the jvm
[05:35] <kishore> My system has 2GB RAM so i do not think memory is a contraint
[05:40] <kishore> I get similar crashes even with redland backend so its not really the JVM
[05:42] <Daskreech> what version of nepomuk?
[05:43] <kishore> trunk
[05:46] <kishore> Daskreech: when i was using the redland backend, launching nepomukserver from the command line i would often see the error
[05:46] <kishore> [/home/kishore/devel/kde4/bin/nepomukservicestub] QDBusConnectionPrivate::connectSignal: received error from D-Bus server while connecting signal to OrgKdeNepomukStrigiInterface::indexingStarted(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory (Not enough memory)
[05:47] <Daskreech> That is strange
[05:48] <kishore> Daskreech: by the way, this is hardy 64bit
[05:51] <Daskreech> Anyone on hardy?
[05:51] <Daskreech> kishore: Well you obviously :0
[05:52] <kishore> :)
[05:53] <Daskreech> can You modprobe drbd and tell me what it says?
[05:54] <kishore> no output in the cli, dmesg gives
[05:54] <kishore> [ 3185.042449] drbd: initialised. Version: 8.0.11 (api:86/proto:86)
[05:54] <kishore> [ 3185.042455] drbd: GIT-hash: b3fe2bdfd3b9f7c2f923186883eb9e2a0d3a5b1b build by phil@mescal, 2008-02-12 11:56:43
[05:54] <kishore> [ 3185.042459] drbd: registered as block device major 147
[05:54] <kishore> [ 3185.042461] drbd: minor_table @ 0xffff8100455df100
[05:55] <kishore> Daskreech: whats the module for?
[05:55] <kishore> Daskreech: now that i noticed dmesg i notice
[05:55] <kishore> [  562.939026] nepomukservices[6601]: segfault at 0 rip 0 rsp 7fff5f8f5778 error 14
[05:55] <Daskreech> drbd but it's not in my copy of hardy :(
[05:56] <kishore> [ 1004.760076] nepomukservices[6980] general protection rip:7ffeaa8a242b rsp:7fffbae71888 error:0
[06:01] <kishore> apachelogger: there i see a packaging bug in konqueror-plugin-fsview-kde4 which is trying to install man pages to prefix /usr instead of /usr/lib/kde4
[08:26] <mornfall> What is the current stable? Gutsy?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> hardy
[08:30] <mornfall> Hardy.
[08:30] <mornfall> Whatever, I'm lost.
[08:30] <mornfall> How realistic is to have someone port Adept 3 alpha 5 to that?
[08:31] <mornfall> backport, even
[08:31] <mornfall> I recall the KDE4 packaging is somehow different there.
[10:00] <kishore> apachelogger: ping
[12:37] <vorian> morning :)
[12:42] <mornfall> Morgen.
[12:45] <mornfall> http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-dpkg-error.png -- Good, ain't it? : - ]
[12:47]  * vorian looks
[12:47] <vorian> :/
[12:48] <mornfall> Oh, why that sour face?
[12:48] <mornfall> It's the error handling I'm trying to showcase here...
[12:48] <mornfall> (The error is very much deliberate.)
[12:49]  * mornfall pwns dpkg.
[12:49] <vorian> haha
[12:49] <vorian> well fantastic then!
[12:49] <mornfall> No more undiscernable "commit failed" with no hint as to what went wrong.
[12:50] <vorian> ah, i understand now :)
[12:50] <vorian> most excellent!
[12:56] <|gunni|> mornfall: So Adept alpha does not run on kubuntu hardy, yet?
[12:56] <|gunni|> Just tried to install it, but seems to not running
[12:57] <mornfall> |gunni|: It already doesn't. If you'd manage to backport it, that'd be great.
[12:57] <|gunni|> If i would be so experienced i would be glad :)
[12:58] <|gunni|> Dont think that i am able to do so
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: More testing
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> I get this when I tried to install Qt4 Linguist
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2765/adepterrorry5.jpg
[13:10] <mornfall> Hm, media swap.
[13:10] <mornfall> Do you have any cdrom sources in sources.list?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> let me check
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> nope
[13:12] <mornfall> Interesting.
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> I can pastebin my entire sources.list if you'd like
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/m2ba950fc
[13:13] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Did it write anything in the terminal? (If you haven't run from a terminal, can you try from one?)
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> Internal Error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap
[13:13] <mornfall> Nothing else at all?
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> The line before that was "Creating GuiDPkgPM  "
[13:14] <mornfall> Frak me.
[13:14] <mornfall> Yeah.
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: this is a somewhat fresh Intrepid install, installed last night
[13:20] <vorian> JontheEchidna: how you likey?
[13:20] <vorian> :o
[13:20] <vorian> all updates ftbfs
[13:21] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Yeah.  I wish I knew what, where.
[13:21] <mornfall> I haven't seen that for a long time.
[13:24] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I suppose everything downloaded correctly?
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> um
[13:25] <mornfall> If it didn't, I would have a guess where the problem is...
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah, everything seems to have
[13:26] <mornfall> (A single 404 could pretty well break things, I'm not sure whether I have these errors handled.)
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> oh hey
[13:26] <mornfall> If you try to install it again?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> I have been getting 404s lately
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> with apt-get
[13:26] <mornfall> Can you try in Adept again, and see if it tries to download something again?
[13:27] <mornfall> That would indicate that we have a problem there.
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> nope, it doesn't seem to
[13:29] <mornfall> Hmh.
[13:29] <mornfall> : - |
[13:30] <mornfall> And fails again with same error.
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> yes
[13:30] <mornfall> And other packages work for you?
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> nope
[13:30] <mornfall> None at all?
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> I've only tried one other
[13:30] <mornfall> Hmh.
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> kbattleship works
[13:33]  * JontheEchidna had installed kbugbuster via apt-get in the meanwhile
[13:33] <mornfall> Can you think of anything that the non-working have in commond, and, uncommon with the third?
[13:34] <mornfall> And, what was the other one that didn't work?
[13:39] <jtechidna> meh
[13:39] <jtechidna> ok
[13:39] <jtechidna> qt4 linguist and it's dependencies rapidly goes through the download process
[13:40]  * jtechidna has to go in a bit btw
[13:40] <jtechidna> actually, right now
[13:40] <mornfall> Okey, thanks. I think it's 404 or the like, which I don't catch properly.
[13:40] <mornfall> Thanks.
[13:40] <mornfall> See you around.
[13:40] <jtechidna> you're welcome
[13:40] <mornfall> I'll drop you a line when I have alpha6.
[13:40] <mornfall> It should fix that one.
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> cool
[13:41]  * JontheEchidna is away
[14:58] <Arby>  afternoon all
[14:58] <vorian> heya Arby
[14:59]  * Arby is fighting with kio_sysinfo and losing
[15:00] <vorian> :(
[15:00] <Arby> if I build it without an about/kubuntu directory it builds and works fine
[15:00] <Arby> albeit with suse artwork
[15:00] <vorian> hmmmmmmmm
[15:00] <Arby> if I add an about/kubuntu it fails
[15:02] <Arby> this seems to be controlled by one of the CMakeLists files http://paste.ubuntu.com/33365/
[15:02] <Arby> The kubuntu section is my addition but I think I did it wrong
[15:04] <Arby> the errors are http://paste.ubuntu.com/33366/
[15:05] <Arby> vorian: any ideas ^^ ?
[15:05]  * vorian looks
[15:06] <vorian> how are you adding the kubuntu stuff?
[15:06] <mcas> Arby: i am not sure but is it possible that the png files must be handled in a special way because they are binarys?
[15:07] <Arby> mcas: no idea
[15:07] <Arby> vorian: I just created a directory called kubuntu and copied the contents of the fedora directory
[15:07] <Arby> I was intending to fix the artwork etc later
[15:07] <Arby> once it builds properly
[15:08] <vorian> could you utilize the power of quilt and use diffs
[15:08] <vorian> i'd have to look at the package, do you have it in your ppa by chance?
[15:09] <Arby> possibly, if I had the slightest idea how
[15:09] <Arby> there is a comment in the readme about distro specific stuff
[15:09] <Arby> hang o
[15:09] <Arby> +n
[15:10] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/33369/
[15:10] <Arby> so based on that I added an argument in debian/rules
[15:10] <Arby> mkdir build && cd build && cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DWITH_KUBUNTU:BOOL=TRUE
[15:11] <Arby> and inserted a section in the CMakeLists file as shown above
[15:11] <Arby> and that's where I'm stuck
[15:12] <Arby> eventually I think vorian is right and this will need to be a diff
[15:13] <Arby> otherwise I'm basically editing the source
[15:13] <vorian> hmmm
[15:13] <Arby> which is bad apparently
[15:13] <vorian> yeah, not good
[15:13] <vorian> :P
[15:13] <vorian> it's easier to maintain with patches
[15:13] <Arby> however, it needs to work first
[15:13] <Arby> then is it just diff old_directory new_directory ?
[15:15] <vorian> pretty much
[15:20] <Arby> hmm, it even works if about/kubuntu is an empty directory
[15:25] <Arby> I really don't understand why it complains about deletion of files when I haven't deleted anything :(
[15:28] <mornfall> Oh. Cool.
[15:28] <mornfall>             /* TODO check that we managed to download everything,
[15:28] <mornfall>              * otherwise we wind up with Internal error */
[15:28] <mornfall> : - )
[15:28] <mornfall> I even noted that down. Next time I could remember to actually fix that.
[15:31] <kishore> apachelogger: ping
[16:45] <seele> is there an easier way to search irc logs than by exact day?
[16:52]  * Jucato can only think of "download all those irc logs and use grep" :(
[16:53] <jpds> Google: site:irclogs.ubuntu.com <thing>
[16:53] <seele> jpds: oh, good idea
[16:53] <Jucato> oh right.. google
[16:53] <Jucato> always useful
[17:09] <jjesse> this is interesting i can't click on anythng in a live cd of intrepid in VM
[17:09] <jjesse> nothing responds
[17:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: [07:01:06] <kishore> apachelogger: there i see a packaging bug in konqueror-plugin-fsview-kde4 which is trying to install man pages to prefix /usr instead of /usr/lib/kde4
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[18:23] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[18:23] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ah, good. yesterday I couldnt make it
[18:24] <seele> that's ok
[18:24] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: so, did you have a look at the video?
[18:24] <seele> i saw the background screencast.  the only thing i think we could improve is how you create a background from a file
[18:24] <seele> it seems a little awkward with two kfile dialogs popping up one after another
[18:24] <seele> maybe turn it in to a two screen wizard?  i dunno
[18:25] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: y. I have thought of that. I dont like it either
[18:25] <seele> the problem is with saving it, without an intermediary screen, it isn't clear that the second file dialog is where you want to save the newly converted background file
[18:25] <seele> ok, then we're on the same page :)
[18:25] <Artemis_Fowl> plus, what you have coomented on the last review
[18:25] <Artemis_Fowl> commented
[18:25] <Artemis_Fowl> *
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> that a line edit showing the path is not necessary
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> i will fix both of these
[18:26] <seele> ok cool
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> but probably on the next version.
[18:26] <seele> what is this now 0.9?
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> currently 0.7. I develop 0.8
[18:27] <seele> ok
[18:27] <seele> we'll have it perfect by the time 1.0 comes :)
[18:27] <seele> well.. 1.1
[18:27] <Artemis_Fowl> y. currently I want to release 0.8 as soon as possible
[18:27] <seele> we might have some surprises once a lot of users start using it
[18:27] <seele> is 0.8 in good enough condition to package for kubuntu? or not yet
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> everything is working, except for the following list:
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> the install tool
[18:28] <seele> even if it was in a ppa, we could blog about it and get some people to try it out
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> the back tool will fail in root-owned folders
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> backup tool*
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> hmm
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> what else?
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> ah
[18:28] <ScottK> seele: I think given the current issues with DNS cache poisoning, encouraging PPA use is not the best idea (PPA repos are unsigned).
[18:29] <Artemis_Fowl> the password encryption tool fails , too
[18:29] <seele> ScottK: what about private distribution?  it would be nice if we could get 20 or so people to try it out instead of the 4 or 5 we had earlier
[18:29] <seele> ScottK: and sign it with the key we used to sign the coc?
[18:30] <seele> download and dpkg -i it
[18:30] <ScottK> seele: I think that's much better.
[18:30] <seele> ScottK: ok, thanks for the input :)
[18:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: once I fix the above things, I will create a System Settings module and release
[18:30] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok.  maybe apache_logger will make a package again
[18:31] <seele> are you an ubuntu member?
[18:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: if I have time, I will include some new features/fixes too
[18:31] <seele> you could sign it and we'll blog about it to get people to try it out
[18:32] <Artemis_Fowl> me?
[18:32] <seele> yeah, did you sign the ubuntu code of conduct?
[18:32] <seele> if not, i can sign it
[18:32] <Artemis_Fowl> i havent
[18:32] <seele> read up ^ about scott's point about distributing packages
[18:33] <seele> ok, i can sign it then
[18:34] <seele> hmm.. gtg for a bit
[18:34] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: if you have any questions, just ping and write
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I don't see why it would :S
[18:41]  * JontheEchidna doesn't even see where to change that
[18:49] <mornfall> Re.
[18:52] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I can indeed reproduce your error by cutting adept from internet.
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> cool
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> It installs fine now
[18:52] <mornfall> So let's try fixing.
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> guess it really was a transient 404 error
[18:53] <mornfall> Yes, I guess so. But the diagnostic still needs to be fixed.
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> of course
[19:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: remove the mans
[19:08] <apachelogger> the always end up in /usr
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the mans aren't in the .install fiels
[19:10] <apachelogger> righto
[19:10] <apachelogger> .manpage
[19:10] <apachelogger> or .manpages
[19:10]  * apachelogger never remembers whether it got an s or not
[19:12] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-download-error.png
[19:32] <\sh> apachelogger: do you have still the crashes in quasselclient when you enter the color preferences dialog?
[19:40] <apachelogger> \sh: nope
[19:42] <\sh> apachelogger: when using latest ppa packages and backported intrepids quassel package and using oxygen it crashes as always...
[19:43] <\sh> apachelogger: some bugs in the config ?
[19:43] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:43]  * apachelogger is running intrepid
[19:43] <\sh> apachelogger: I'll try it later with intrepid ... on my t43 it's intrepid too :)
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: cool
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: is it possible to copy those errors for pasting?
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: Got a crasher: http://pastebin.com/d782a8bfb
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> the pastebin has the backtrace as well as reproduction instructions
[21:09] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hm. Any timing requirements to reproduce it?
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> not really
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> not that I noticed
[21:09] <mornfall> Hm.
[21:10] <mornfall> Doesn't happen here... :\
[21:10] <mornfall> (Not even with alpha5 as released...)
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[21:10] <mornfall> Oh wait.
[21:10] <mornfall> It's from installer.
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah, in installer
[21:11] <mornfall> Sorry, didn't realize that...
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> it's cool ;)
[21:12] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: And it's even fixed in development, which is even cooler. : - ) (I can reproduce with alpha 5 now.)
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> nice
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> Hackers: organisms that can convert caffine into software
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[21:13] <mornfall> (I have reworked a bunch of the installer UI code since it was rather fragile. Search results are much better now, too.)
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> The gstreamer phonon backend doesn't work
[22:38] <james_w> jjesse: hi, I thought this would be quicker than creating a wordpress account
[22:39] <jjesse> james_w: yes?
[22:39] <james_w> I wanted to answer your bzr questions
[22:39] <jjesse> in regards to my bzr question
[22:39] <jjesse> i asked the other day on #launchpad  and didn't get any response
[22:39] <james_w> "The major problem is python2.4 is the supported version and the current version of python for bazaar is 2.5."
[22:39] <james_w> I'm not sure what you mean here
[22:40] <james_w> SLES has python 2.4 by default?
[22:40] <jjesse> james_w: yes
[22:40] <jjesse> and i can't find a python2.5 package for 64 bit
[22:40] <james_w> bzr needs 2.4 or higher, so it should work fine
[22:41] <james_w> was it not working for you?
[22:41] <jjesse> the packman repository that i was trying to install bzr from requires 2.5
[22:41] <jjesse> haven't tried to install from source yet
[22:41] <james_w> oh really, that sounds like a mistake
[22:42] <jjesse> trying to find the correct crypto and paramiko that building from source requires
[22:43] <james_w> but to answer your other questions, launchpad doesn't require a particular bzr version, and it should work fine as long as you have a reasonably recent format
[22:43] <james_w> (recent enough to read the formats that the branches you want to work with are in)
[22:43] <jjesse> james_w: ok thanks i guess i'm going to also try and build latest version from source
[22:46] <james_w> give me a shout if anything goes wrong
[22:46] <jjesse> james_w: will do, looks like most of the repositories i can find have python2.5
[22:47] <jjesse> i'll have to figure things out
[22:47] <jjesse> and my install has 2.4
[22:47] <jjesse> thanks for the offer of help
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> cool, new upstream release of plasmoid-quickaccess


[03:49] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: perhaps you have something about the Allentown hackerspace to put on our agenda for this week's meeting?
[03:50] <andrew> jedijf: How'd it go?
[04:00] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: word of the day is agenda (noun) \ə-ˈjen-də\, 1: a list our outline of things to be considered or done, e.g. The Ubuntu PA team set the agenda for the next IRC meeting.
[04:00] <PennBot> Okay, ChinnoDog.
[04:08] <andrew> word of the day?
[04:08] <PennBot> word of the day is agenda (noun) \ə-ˈjen-də\, 1: a list our outline of things to be considered or done, e.g. The Ubuntu PA team set the agenda for the next IRC meeting, andrew
[04:13] <jedijf>  i didn't go just passing on info
[04:17] <andrew> so... did anyone from here go?
[04:18] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: That is ok. That is what meetings are for, right? To pass on info?
[04:20] <jedijf> i hope the info comes...7:30 am the day of and then 3:30 reply to may i forward?
[04:21] <jedijf> i'll email him tomorrow, or so and ask for update and to be in the loop
[04:22] <jedijf> andrew: jthan was our hope..waltman had a bud...someone from the plug list pm'd me
[04:22] <jedijf> so there is/was interest
[04:22] <jedijf> i heard pleia2 was trying to squeeze it between 2 ubu hours
[10:58] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:01] <JonathanD> I just realized I'd never joined on launchpad. Just did so.
[13:03] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[13:15] <andrew> SamuraiAlba: I'd like to subscribe you to one less dose of reddit daily to treat your condition.
[13:15] <SamuraiAlba> what condition?
[13:15] <SamuraiAlba> Insane, biblicaly epic anger?
[13:16] <SamuraiAlba> Uncle makes $1600 a month, has 900 in savings, is miraculously getting 7 grand back from taxes, and is STILL borrowing over $1500 a month form my grammie, to the point she is DEMANDING I pay her utilities because she is broke
[13:17] <SamuraiAlba> I am broke, also, thanks to paying all my bills as soon as I have the money to do so
[13:17] <SamuraiAlba> Including child support, gas, electric, phone, and meds
[13:17] <SamuraiAlba> so... I'm at my happy place, with a can of kerosene and a lighter...
[13:17]  * SamuraiAlba giggles
[13:18] <JonathanD> oh dear.
[13:18] <JonathanD> Bacon will treat this condition, SamuraiAlba
[13:18] <JonathanD> and all others.
[13:18] <SamuraiAlba> JonathanD, see why I take antipsychotics
[13:19] <SamuraiAlba> ?
[13:37] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: clearly you need 3 more jobs.
[14:19] <SamuraiAlba> I'm working on that
[14:53] <InHisName> does vbox support doing aero on win7 yet ?
[14:55] <InHisName> cancel the above comment, but I'll take one of those 3 jobs as I have none.
[17:04]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[17:05] <andrew> dangit
[17:06] <andrew> now I've feel the urge to yawn
[17:11] <SamuraiAlba> Food!  Glorious Food!  Hot Sausage and Mustard!
[17:12] <SamuraiAlba> Food!  Glorious Food!  Cold Pudding and Custard!
[17:30] <Pici> Please sir... could I have some more?
[17:33] <SamuraiAlba> 'lol
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> There are a rediculous number of alarm clock apps for Android
[18:24] <andrew> ChinnoDog: yes, favorite?
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> idk. I installed Alarm Clock Plus. I'll see if I like it
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> If I report that my phone has been smashed tomorrow, you can bet it was because I wasn't able to solve the math problem to dismiss my alarm
[18:27] <andrew> your phone doesn't autotweet an sos when being attacked?
[18:27] <ChinnoDog> lol. You can write that app
[20:33] <andrew> pleia2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3iFhLdWjqc
[20:33] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - Cats Playing Patty-cake, what they were saying... (at www.youtube.com)
[20:38] <MutantTurkey> cats playing patty cake...


[02:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:16] <lotuspsychje> !party
[02:16] <guiverc> that does look like it needs update :)
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> !party is <reply> fix for 19.10 please
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> morning guiverc :p
[02:17] <guiverc> G'day lotuspsychje
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> !torrents
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> wait for final release this perhaps
[06:23] <ducasse> good morning
[06:23] <akemhp> Hello.
[06:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> noticing another touchpad not working after update to -31 bug #1847212
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> seen a few passby in announce now
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> and added to the -discuss bug team
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> bug #1846857
[08:57] <Mr_Cyclops> Need some suggestion. Which laptop is best suited in your opinion/experience for running Ubuntu? Lenovo Thinkpad or Dell Latitude?
[09:04] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[09:22] <lordievader> Mr_Cyclops: Thinkpads are usually well received within the Linux community. However, Dell has a few lines wich can be configured with Linux pre-installed instead of Windows.
[10:22] <tomreyn> Mr_Cyclops: and keep in mind that there are also linux-only and open hardware shops which may be worth supporting
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:17] <marcoagpinto> Hello BluesKaj and guys!
[11:20] <BluesKaj> hey marcoagpinto
[11:24] <marcoagpinto> :)


[08:03] <mup> PR snapd#12100 closed: asserts: add keyword 'user-presence' keyword in system-user assertion (auto-removal 3/n) <Needs Samuele review> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12100>
[08:03] <mup> PR snapd#12281 closed: packaging: remove unclean debian-sid patch <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12281>
[08:14] <mup> PR snapd#12276 closed: tests: use dbus-daemon instead of dbus-launch <Test Robustness> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12276>
[13:05] <mup> PR snapd#12284 opened: bootloader: do not specify Core version in grub entry <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12284>
[14:50] <mup> PR snapd#12278 closed: o/c/configcore: add faillock configuration <Squash-merge> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12278>
[15:00] <mup> PR snapd#12237 closed: kvm: allow read of AMD-SEV parameters <Created by javacruft> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12237>
[15:00] <mup> PR snapd#12260 closed: data: tweak apt integration config var <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12260>
[15:30] <mup> PR snapd#12285 opened: bootloader/assets: fix grub.cfg when there are no labels <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12285>
[19:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#3952 opened: flutter: new core22 plugin <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3952>
[19:26] <mup> PR snapd#12286 opened: many: expand fully handling links mapping in all components, in the API and in snap info <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12286>
[20:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#3953 opened: tests: allow local git submodules <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3953>
[20:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#3954 opened: linters: add help urls <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3954>
 "*use" <- ogra: Yes, I did use the ack command, but it's not the problem. The problem is that snapd try to get the prerequisites snaps for the snap to be install by doing a refresh. It was working fine before, but something changed within the last year or so. snapd cannot be used offline anymore, so it seems.
[23:42] <soundwave[m]> sudo snap install ./kde-frameworks-5-96-qt-5-15-5-core20_7.snap
[23:42] <soundwave[m]> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[23:42] <soundwave[m]> - Ensure prerequisites for kde-frameworks-5-96-qt-5-15-5-core20 are available (cannot install snap base core20: persistent network error: Post https://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/refresh: dial tcp: lookup api.snapcraft.io: Temporary failure in name resolution)


[02:37] <BeckySanderlin_x> ChinnoDog, you awake?
[02:38] <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin_x: yup :-)
[02:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> umm
[02:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> im roaming the interwebs for bitlbee
[02:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> and came across a website
[02:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> w/ your name, is that yours?
[02:39] <ChinnoDog> Are you asking me if chinnodog.com is mine? haha
[02:40] <BeckySanderlin_x> yes, it is yours?
[02:40] <pleia2> there are vast herds of roaming ChinnoDogs
[02:40] <BeckySanderlin_x> <3 pleia2
[02:40] <BeckySanderlin_x> shh
[02:40] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[02:40] <ChinnoDog> of course it is mine.
[02:41] <BeckySanderlin_x> cool.
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> I completely forgot I posted those bitlbee instructions
[02:42] <BeckySanderlin_x> being that i am on my old computer again, i need to conserve space. bitlbee seems to be what im looking for. A client (not a web app) that is small and works in a program i always have up, irc. is this correct?
[02:42] <pleia2> strictly speaking I'd call it a service more than a client
[02:42] <BeckySanderlin_x> yes
[02:42] <BeckySanderlin_x> a service
[02:43] <pleia2> but yeah, instead of connecting to irc.freenode.net you just connect to your local machine for the bitlbee service
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> It does both, but I don't think Empathy or Pidgin takes up much space. It is generally a matter of preference
[02:43] <BeckySanderlin_x> yah well im in love w/ pidgin
[02:43] <BeckySanderlin_x> but i want to try new things on this new OS install
[02:43]  * pleia2 had stopped using IM at all for years until she found bitlbee
[02:43] <BeckySanderlin_x> so my question is have you tried using it in natty?
[02:43] <BeckySanderlin_x> or you pleia2 ?
[02:44] <ChinnoDog> No I have not. I use Empathy. :-)
[02:44] <BeckySanderlin_x> pleia2, have you tried using it in natty?
[02:44] <ChinnoDog> pleia2 had bitlbee instructions long before I did. That blog post was specifically about getting it set up in Ubuntu as fast as possible.
[02:44] <pleia2> not in natty, it runs on my debian server
[02:44] <BeckySanderlin_x> oh
[02:44] <BeckySanderlin_x> ok.
[02:45] <BeckySanderlin_x> see, im on Peppermint2, and I want to try it, so i d/l'd it and i cant find it
[02:45] <ChinnoDog> It probably still applies. I don't see anything in it that would have changed.
[02:45] <BeckySanderlin_x> so that why i was on google and came across your website ChinnoDog
[02:45] <ChinnoDog> "find" it?
[02:45] <pleia2> BeckySanderlin_x: you should just be able to connect to "localhost" as a server in your irc client
[02:45] <BeckySanderlin_x> no, i installed it, but its not working
[02:45]  * ChinnoDog is surprised when anyone comes across his web site
[02:45] <pleia2> if it installed properly, it'll connect you to your bitlbee srever
[02:46] <BeckySanderlin_x> thats my problem. i dont know if it is installed properly on this OS
[02:46] <pleia2> give it a try :)
[02:46] <BeckySanderlin_x> i have hun
[02:46] <BeckySanderlin_x> i went to synaptic and installed the base and common files
[02:46] <pleia2> connecting to localhost?
[02:46] <ChinnoDog> ps ax | grep 'bitlbee'
[02:47] <ChinnoDog> is it running?
[02:47] <BeckySanderlin_x> isssss.. this it?
[02:47] <BeckySanderlin_x>  8255 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/bitlbee -p 6667 -P /var/run/bitlbee.pid -F
[02:48] <ChinnoDog> yes that
[02:48] <pleia2> right, so in your irc client just connect to "localhost" for the server
[02:48] <pleia2> rather than irc.freenode.net or whatever
[02:49] <BeckySanderlin_x> WOW
[02:49] <pleia2> :)
[02:49] <BeckySanderlin_x> +1 internets for pleia2 & ChinnoDog
[02:49] <BeckySanderlin_x> ty ty
[02:50] <pleia2> disclosure time, bitlbee was the first open source project I contributed to (I wrote one of the original quickstart guides) and I've met the project founder a couple of times
[02:50] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/062009/nyc_wilmerpleia2.jpg <-- from when we were in new york city!
[02:50] <pleia2> I'm supposed to write an updated quickstart guide, but my todo list is kind of massive
[02:50] <BeckySanderlin_x> something said .. in my head.. is pleia2 talking about princessleia
[02:51] <BeckySanderlin_x> that was the first site i went to
[02:51] <pleia2> yeah, princessleia.com is mine
[02:52] <pleia2> and I love bitlbee :D
[02:52] <BeckySanderlin_x> nice. i found both your site, *bookmarks*
[02:55] <BeckySanderlin_x> Wait.. i just put 2 and 2 together
[02:55] <ChinnoDog> my disclosure is that I learned everything I know from pleia2
[02:55] <BeckySanderlin_x> princessleia2
[02:55] <pleia2> hehe
[02:55] <BeckySanderlin_x> wow.. how
[02:55] <BeckySanderlin_x> did i miss that
[02:57] <pleia2> a lot of people do
[02:59] <BeckySanderlin_x> ChinnoDog, you dont update that blog much do you?
[02:59] <ChinnoDog> no. :-(
[03:00] <ChinnoDog> Gotta work on that eventually
[03:02] <BeckySanderlin_x> ok
[03:03] <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin_x: finding my post on google is inspiring though
[03:04] <BeckySanderlin_x> i found both you and pleia2's sites that way.
[03:04] <pleia2> :)
[03:04] <BeckySanderlin_x> im registering now
[03:15] <BeckySanderlin_x> ok. say i want to change the registed password. is there anyway to do that?
[03:17] <BeckySanderlin_x> hmm i think i found it. set password <newpass> ?
[03:32]  * IdleOne slaps ChinnoDog with a tuna
[03:32] <BeckySanderlin_x> hungry...
[03:45] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[03:46] <ChinnoDog> How do I monitor network i/o by process?
[03:49] <ChinnoDog> ok, I found a whole page of tools to do this, but what is built into Ubuntu and is easy?
[03:50] <IdleOne> iotop - simple top-like I/O monitor
[03:51] <ChinnoDog> I thought that only shows disk i/o
[03:52] <IdleOne> no clue. I did an apt search
[03:52] <IdleOne> maybe try #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu
[03:52] <IdleOne> also, y u slap me wif fish in the morning?
[03:53] <IdleOne> you know that stings
[03:58] <ChinnoDog> IdleOne: it seemed like a good idea at the time
[03:59] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:01] <ChinnoDog> iftop... of course
[04:02] <ChinnoDog> doesn't seem to show processes attached to bandwidth though
[04:33] <BeckySanderlin_x> \o/ <( has successfully added the first protocol: facebook )
[04:33] <BeckySanderlin_x> this is taking way longer than i thought...
[04:37] <ChinnoDog> That is irony for you. The simplest tool takes the longest to configure.
[04:38] <BeckySanderlin_x> yes.
[04:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> well. im reading up all over the web for infos, and backgrounds
[04:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> the problem is, theres alot of old documentation..
[04:39] <BeckySanderlin_x> i want new documentation dealing w/ facebook and twitter
[04:40] <BeckySanderlin_x> then i want to those two to be in their own separate channels and have the contacts for both in there.
[04:40] <BeckySanderlin_x> i did facebook already, but two things happened.
[04:41] <BeckySanderlin_x> 1. the contacts are labled as numbers, their url numbers.. that is going to be a hassle knowing whos who
[04:41] <BeckySanderlin_x> 2. the contacts are in both control channels, not ONLY in the Facebook channel
[04:47] <ChinnoDog> I used bitlbee before it had fb support
[04:47] <ChinnoDog> idk how to fix that
[05:31] <Sadin> hey all whats everyone up too?
[05:32] <BeckySanderlin_x> nada
[05:33] <BeckySanderlin_x> actaully. im trying to configure bitlbee.
[05:38] <Sadin> Ah cool :O im working on my new webportfolio skin
[11:39] <JonathanD> morning.
[11:39] <JonathanD> slept in today.
[11:57] <rmg51> morning sleepyhead :-D
[11:59] <JonathanD> heh :)
[12:18] <rmg51> you got here just in time for me to leave for work
[13:11] <waltman> *YAWN*
[13:12] <BeckySanderlin_x> *yawn*
[13:12] <BeckySanderlin_x> stop that..
[13:12] <JonathanD> rmg51: figues.
[13:15] <andrew> *yawn*
[13:19] <teddy-dbear> *yawn*
[13:54] <waltman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipthepony/5833622978
[13:54]  * InHisName yawns too
[13:54] <PennBot> Title: Ubuntu cola | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[14:16] <mikedep334> waltman, wow
[14:17] <mikedep334> http://www.funatiq.com/images/linux-detergent.jpg
[14:17] <mikedep334> oh, and it gets better
[14:17] <mikedep334> http://samanathon.com/images/linux-detergent.jpg
[14:29] <waltman> Please tell me those have been 'shopped
[14:39] <andrew> nope
[14:43] <andrew> waltman: image search it, you'll find tons of it
[15:24] <InHisName> Looks like Walmart in a foreign country.  Maybe that country has looser name control (trademark protections)
[15:25] <InHisName> The one looks like tongue-in-cheek naming.   Micro & Soft makes product called "Linux".
[15:44] <waltman> It looks like German
[16:17] <n2diy> I've been playing with Remote Desktop Viewer, and it appears I have Vinagre installed by default as the client, and no server installed? Is there a preference as to what server should be used? I'm running Xubuntu 10.10.
[16:25] <jedijf> n2diy: i use x11vnc
[16:27] <jedijf> n2diy: but vino-server is the vinagre counterpart and there too
[16:27] <InHisName> I use Remote Desktop Viewer when someone says: connect to my windows box, I've setup Remote Desktop etc.
[16:28] <jedijf> n2diy: the vino-server should be installed...try vino-preferences fromcli andsee whatyou get
[16:30] <InHisName> Works for me. I must have it installed.
[16:33] <InHisName> Hmmm, I wonder if windows desktop can see that one?   I'll start a VM and see.
[16:37] <InHisName> Yea, it recognized the RDP packets.   Boo, Unity wont run in RDP window.   Glipper bug failure.
[16:39] <InHisName> Oh, one other thing from previous attempts.   I log in as myself, BUT it starts a NEW session, not join the existing open session I already have.
[17:08] <InHisName> jedijf  & n2diy   Just what am I connecting to when I run Remote Desktop from Windows and connect to Ubuntu box ?   is it Vinagre ?  Seems more like client not service.
[17:58] <BeckySanderlin_x> Question: Does anyone know a fix for Chromium "save as" crash bug? I cant seem to save a webpage or image
[17:59] <n2diy> I installed vino from synaptic, but vino, and vino-prefrences both return command not found?
[18:02] <teddy-dbear> BeckySanderlin_x: Firefox ;-)
[18:03] <BeckySanderlin_x> teddy-dbear, not a option at this time
[18:08] <teddy-dbear> k
[20:00] <jedijf> InHisName: if you are connecting, it is to vino. see: aptitude show vino
[20:20] <InHisName> From terminal, get lots of Depends:      and this:  Suggests: vinagre, gnome-user-guide | gnome2-user-guide (>= 2.8.1)   useful when I find it.
[20:41] <jedijf> InHisName: that the list of what else it depends on...you probably have it covered since it's installed
[20:42] <jedijf> the suggests are ....suggestions
[21:40] <andrew> anyone else watching the Lunar Eclipse? http://www.youtube.com/google
[21:41] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - Googles Channel (at www.youtube.com)
[21:41] <ChinnoDog> When? Tonight?
[21:45] <andrew> right now
[21:45] <andrew> actually, i think we are past the total part, but not by much
[21:54]  * pleia2 been watching all day
[21:55] <pleia2> but on eclipse.slooh.com
[21:55] <BeckySanderlin_x> awwww.


[00:01] <mup> Bug #1498221 opened: Subnet API should provide summary information regarding IPv4 address allocation <networking> <MAAS:In Progress by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498221>
[00:01] <mup> Bug #1498224 opened: As a MAAS administrator, I want to ask MAAS to reserve N arbitrary addresses in a Subnet or Space <networking> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498224>
[00:16] <mup> Bug #1498225 opened: Unable to import maas images due to uec2roottar.ImageFileError <arm64> <hyperscale> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498225>
[02:28] <mup> Bug #1498262 opened: yield deferToThread(inner_start_up) cause ERROR <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498262>
[02:31] <mup> Bug #1498262 changed: yield deferToThread(inner_start_up) cause ERROR <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498262>
[02:37] <mup> Bug #1498262 opened: yield deferToThread(inner_start_up) cause ERROR <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498262>
[02:40] <mup> Bug #1498262 changed: yield deferToThread(inner_start_up) cause ERROR <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498262>
[02:43] <mup> Bug #1498262 opened: yield deferToThread(inner_start_up) cause ERROR <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498262>
[07:00] <binoy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/675240/post-request-using-python-maas-client/676680
[11:13] <binoy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/675240/post-request-using-python-maas-client/677023#677023
[13:51] <mup> Bug #1498503 opened: Not all maas related services removed with apt-get purge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498503>
[14:09] <mup> Bug #1498503 changed: Not all maas related services removed with apt-get purge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498503>
[14:12] <mup> Bug #1498503 opened: Not all maas related services removed with apt-get purge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498503>
[14:15] <mup> Bug #1498513 opened: Offensive term combination found in MAAS 1.8 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498513>
[15:24] <mup> Bug #1367854 changed: Commissioning with a 6TB disk yields incorrect "Disk space" value <papercut> <trivial> <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367854>
[15:24] <mup> Bug #1498513 changed: Offensive term combination found in MAAS 1.8 <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498513>
[17:43] <mup> Bug #1498600 opened: Errors that occur during startup inside "yield deferToThread(inner_start_up)" are hidden <support> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498600>
[17:43] <mup> Bug #1498601 opened: Errors that occur during startup inside "yield deferToThread(inner_start_up)" are hidden <support> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498601>
[18:19] <mup> Bug #1478638 changed: Always use MAC address for IPMI if MAAS connected directly <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478638>
[19:20] <h0mer> How does one get Maas to re-calculate the resources ina  machine without releasing and redeploying it?  Basically I changed the amount of memory in a node, but the Maas Page still shows the older Memory capacity.
[19:31] <rbasak> h0mer: I think you need to recommission it, which means you have to release first and redeploy after. I'm sure it's possible to hack around this, but in principle MAAS doesn't get to run code on the machine while it is deployed, since it is "owned" by the user it has been deployed to, so I think that makes sense.
[19:31] <rbasak> h0mer: why is this a problem for you? Surely what MAAS thinks the machine has shouldn't really pose a problem since it isn't making any decisions based on it as it the machine is already deployed?
[19:36] <h0mer> Because I'm deploying openstack on top of it (using landscape), which now seems to think that each machine only has 96GB because that's what MAAS is telling it.
[19:37] <h0mer> (I upgraded them to 144GB each)
[19:39] <h0mer> it took me a helluva long time to get Maas/Landscape/Openstack deployed (Landscape kept stopping at random times), I don't want to have to go through the re-install of the entire stack again, which is like a 1/2 day long adventure.
[19:40] <h0mer> followed by another day or two to get Landscape to deploy openstack correctly.
[19:44] <h0mer> It'd be nice if Maas could be put into another state like "maintainence" in which it boots the machine through PXE and liveboots whatever base linux install and re-does the system resources calculation.  Just a thought for a future enhancement
[19:52] <h0mer> I'm currently setting up test beds to test-run different automated openstack deployment technologies (packstack, ansible, landscape etc...), and I don't see how Landscape/Maas/Juju can be used in a production environment if every small hardware change requires me to re-commission the nodes and subsequently re-install the entire software stack.
[20:05] <kiko> h0mer, you can't really do that right now; it's a feature we'd like to work on but it doesn't work like that today
[20:05] <kiko> to be honest, reinstalling a node in a scale-out environment is fairly common task, right?
[20:10] <h0mer> True.  It is fairly common (I'm actually doing it right now).  Thing is, if I did a base openstack install (individual components on each machine), I could modify it manually to pick up the new memory space without having to bring down the entire region.  I'm trying to see what the best way to do that with the current Maas/Landscape Install.  If it's not possible, that's fine, just curious.  I'd
[20:10] <h0mer> think this would be a big issue especially when trying to market this technology to companies trying to set up this software stack no?
[20:11] <kiko> h0mer, I'm otp so a bit slow to respond, but it hasn't been a /major/ issue, though it is inconvenient
[20:12] <h0mer> And I'm just more curious how Cannonical deals with this problem using it's "managed cloud" solution.
[20:12] <kiko> h0mer, having said that, re-commissioning only affects the data in MAAS
[20:12] <kiko> well
[20:12] <kiko> we always deploy HA clouds
[20:12] <kiko> so it's always possible to do rolling re-commissions
[20:13] <h0mer> what exactly is meant by high availability clouds?
[20:13] <kiko> clouds where any node can be brought down without suffering loss of service
[20:13] <h0mer> sorry i meant... how exactly is that achieved
[20:13] <kiko> ah
[20:14] <kiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[20:14] <h0mer> because that would kind of fix this issue (to an extent)
[20:19] <h0mer> Question: Is it posible to get the free versoin of Landscape (with up to 10 registered computers) to support something like 14-15 nodes in a test bed?  Just curious, because that's how many nodes I've been able to allocate to this side project (for this company I work for).  Currently have 4 nodes sitting around doing nothing..
[20:42] <kiko> h0mer, I'd send that question to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and CC: me; he'd probably like to have a test user for the openstack autopilot
[21:00] <mad4comp> kiko
[21:01] <kiko> me
[21:01] <kiko> h0mer, yes?
[21:01] <h0mer> did you want me to cc you
[21:01] <h0mer> ?
 h0mer, I'd send that question to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and CC: me; he'd probably like to have a test user for the openstack autopilot
[21:01] <kiko> :)
[21:01] <kiko><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:01] <h0mer> ah okay
[21:02] <kiko> sorry, I didn't realize I didn't give you my email
[21:06] <h0mer> no problem.  Sorry for the late response, got caught up in some juju issues.
[21:12] <h0mer> alright sent out an email
[21:12] <h0mer> thank  you
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1498659 opened: Can't import images <MAAS:Confirmed for allenap> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498659>
[21:34] <mup> Bug #1498659 changed: Can't import images <MAAS:Confirmed for allenap> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498659>
[21:37] <mup> Bug #1498659 opened: Can't import images <MAAS:Confirmed for allenap> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498659>


[11:13] <tseliot> ricotz: if I give you a patched 304, will you test it for me? (if yes, 32bit or 64 bit?)
[11:17] <ricotz> tseliot, can do when I get to it, 64bit
[11:17] <mamarley> tseliot: Any update on 361.28?
[11:20] <tseliot> ricotz: sure, no hurry
[11:21] <tseliot> mamarley: I have packages available for testing but I haven't tested them myself yet. Would you like to try them anyway?
[11:22] <mamarley> tseliot: Sure, I enjoy potentially breaking my computer! :)
[11:22] <tseliot> good, let me upload the packages then
[11:23] <mamarley> Thanks!
[11:42] <tseliot> mamarley: the packages are here. Thanks! http://people.canonical.com/~amilone/nvidia/
[11:53] <tseliot> ricotz: and this is for you. Thanks! http://people.canonical.com/~amilone/nvidia-304/
[11:57] <mamarley> tseliot: Initial impressions are good. :)  The system boots, SDDM and KDE both start properly, glxgears and es2gears both work, and VDPAU works.
[11:57] <tseliot> mamarley: that's certainly a good sign ;)
[11:59] <mamarley> Once you upload it to the repository I can see what you changed from the diff and make packages for Wily, Vivid, and Trusty too.  I will also go ahead and package nvidia-settings in a bit.
[11:59] <tseliot> ok, good :)
[12:02] <tseliot> I only need to test my fix for the FTBFS on armhf
[12:07] <ricotz> tseliot, honestly I would prefer a source package
[12:08] <tseliot> ricotz: how about a patch?
[12:08] <ricotz> that works too
[12:08] <tseliot> ok
[12:09] <tseliot> ricotz: http://people.canonical.com/~amilone/nvidia-304/0001-Add-support-for-Linux-4.3.patch
[12:10] <tseliot> if that works I will upload it (I have no hardware that works with 304)
[12:13] <ricotz> tseliot, ok
[12:14] <ricotz> tseliot, remember testing this on a trusty install with https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6053228/+listing-archive-extra
[12:15] <tseliot> ricotz: that would be fine
[12:33] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, btw, don't bother to do packages for Vivid/15.04
[12:34] <marlinc> Anyone who can take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1542629 ?
[12:42] <tseliot> marlinc: does that happen if you switch to power saving mode from nvidia-settings?
[12:42] <marlinc> Mm sure sure if its in power saving mode already
[12:43] <marlinc> I haven't specifically enabled that
[12:43] <tjaalton> with or without nvidia
[12:43] <marlinc> Ah, it happens when I use the NVIDIA card
[12:43] <marlinc> I don't have the same issue when using Intel
[12:43] <marlinc> I normally switch using 'prime-select'
[12:46] <mamarley> ricotz: How come?  Is it about to go out of support?
[12:47] <tjaalton> vivid is EOL
[12:50] <marlinc> I've haven't had the issue when I first installed Xenial. Then I upgraded and just used it for a few days. Now it keeps crashing. I (using ZFS) went back to when I first installed Xenial (and the NVIDIA driver) and its still crashing. That's why I'm thinking it might be related to something in my home folder
[12:50] <marlinc> The guest user for example works just fine
[12:51] <ricotz> tseliot, builds and runs fine (7900GTX)
[12:55] <marlinc> Ah tjaalton the reason I added xorg is because it crashes with a segfault. Sorry if its not related
[12:55] <tjaalton> marlinc: you verified that it only happens with nvidia, and the logs didn't show a crash
[12:56] <marlinc> Do I have to ask about it somewhere else?
[13:04] <tjaalton> no
[13:04] <tjaalton> attach a logfile with the crash
[13:25] <marlinc> Okay lets try
[13:49] <tseliot> marlinc: it's an intel issue then
[13:50] <tseliot> ricotz: great, thanks
[13:52] <marlinc> I was able to obtain a crash log tjaalton, I'll upload it in an hour
[14:11] <mamarley> ricotz: I uploaded nvidia-settings 361.28 to my staging PPA and tested it.  Should I go ahead and copy it to the main PPA?
[14:12] <ricotz> mamarley, if you want to please the fanboys (e.g. no-change upload with bumped version)
[14:14] <ricotz> it is still the same as 355.11
[14:14] <mamarley> Haha
[14:15] <mamarley> I actually do tend to get multiple requests for updates whenever anything in the PPA isn't up-to-date though.
[14:21] <marlinc> tjaalton, tseliot I've attached a log of X org crashing. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-352/+bug/1542629
[14:22] <marlinc> That do you mean by 'it's an intel issue then'? I've not having issues when I run on the integrated graphics (as far as I know)
[14:23] <tseliot> marlinc: power saving mode = intel only
[14:23] <tjaalton> that's a config fail
[14:24] <tjaalton> crashes before it even starts
[14:24] <tseliot> marlinc: I misread your answer though
[14:24] <marlinc> I'm only having the issue when not in power saving mode tseliot
[14:25] <marlinc> Interesting tjaalton is there a way to check the config or to find it somewhere? Is it stored in my home directory somewhere?
[14:25] <tjaalton> err no
[14:25] <tjaalton> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:26] <marlinc> Then how is it possible that X still crashes when I go back to when I first installed Xenial. The only thing not included in the snapshots is my home directory
[14:29] <tjaalton> dunno
[14:29] <tseliot> marlinc: even without using the nvidia driver then?
[14:29] <marlinc> It only crashes when I use the NVIDIA driver
[14:29] <marlinc> Even when going back
[14:30] <tseliot> going back to Xenial+nvidia then?
[14:30] <marlinc> The reason why I think its very strange is that it did work at that point but now (when I go back) it doesn't. That leads me to think its something related to my home directory
[14:30] <marlinc> The guest user for example works perfectly fine
[14:31] <tseliot> hmm...
[14:31] <tseliot> do you have a xorg.conf in your home directory
[14:31] <tseliot> ?
[14:31] <marlinc> I haven't made it myself but I can check if it exists
[14:33] <tjaalton> what does prime-select do?
[14:33] <tjaalton> on the system
[14:35] <marlinc> As far as I know it switches between intel and nvidia
[14:35] <marlinc> Wait, I'll give you a strace so you can see what it does
[14:35] <tjaalton> i know what it does, but how
[14:36] <marlinc> Ah, it uses update-alternatives
[14:36] <marlinc> https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/866306bfb08ec938f999
[14:39] <tjaalton> the monitor layout config is saved somewhere in your $HOME
[14:39] <tjaalton> but the crash happens before even lightdm is up
[14:39] <tjaalton> so it's your xorg.conf at least which is broken
[14:40] <marlinc> It does crash as well when I change the monitor layout
[14:40] <marlinc> Or rather when it applies it
[14:40] <tjaalton> that might be more interesting to see
[14:40] <tjaalton> or your xorg.conf..
[14:41] <marlinc> When it does work (which it does sometimes when the monitor layout gets lost) and I change the config it crashes again
[14:41] <marlinc> I'll check again when I get home, haven't got a second monitor at my disposal at the moment
[14:42] <marlinc> Do you know where the monitor layout is stored in the home directory?
[14:42] <marlinc> I guess monitors.xml?
[14:43] <tjaalton> do you have one?
[14:43] <tjaalton> I don't
[14:43] <marlinc> I'll attach it
[14:43] <marlinc> I haven't made it
[14:43] <tjaalton> I don't need it
[14:44] <tjaalton> move it aside
[14:45] <marlinc> Want me to remove it?
[14:48] <tjaalton> does it crash now even without the monitor hooked?
[14:48] <marlinc> I can't remember what the error is but when I try to apply a config I get a error from the Unity screen thingy. It then shows my smaller monitor inside my larger monitor in the setting screen. Then I move my smaller screen to the left again and that's when it crashes
[14:49] <marlinc> One moment, I'll switch but that should work just finne
[14:50] <marlinc> Working fine tjaalton
[14:50] <marlinc> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[14:50] <marlinc> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 840M/PCIe/SSE2
[14:55] <tjaalton> ok so you can't test anything now :)
[14:57] <marlinc> Okay ;) if there's nothing I can do now I'll switch over to spare battery
[14:57] <tjaalton> sure
[15:00] <marlinc> What's the part that for example reads monitor.xml and creates the Xorg config? Or does Xorg read it itself using some module?
[15:00] <tjaalton> the capplet does not write xorg.conf
[15:01] <tjaalton> some nvidia tool might
[15:01] <tjaalton> pastebinit?
[15:02] <marlinc> This is the config file https://launchpadlibrarian.net/237745049/monitors.xml
[15:03] <tjaalton> no, xorg.conf
[15:05] <marlinc> That would be this https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/bf79005e715a3f057b72
[15:06] <marlinc> I haven't got a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:06] <tjaalton> where was that then?
[15:07] <marlinc> Its called xorg.conf.02102016
[15:07] <tjaalton> anything in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d?
[15:07] <tjaalton> besides the usual
[15:07] <tjaalton> input stuff
[15:09] <marlinc> Nothing strange as far as I can see https://gist.github.com/Marlinc/724c9ed02d4cc0950d9e except for glamoregl.conf which is a symlink
[15:12] <tjaalton> so there is xserver 1.18.1 in ppa:canonical-x/x-staging which will enter xenial next monday
[15:12] <tjaalton> no idea if it might fix anything but could be something to test..
[15:12] <tjaalton> with nvidia enabled it's using modesetting+nvidia
[15:22] <marlinc> I
[15:22] <marlinc> I'll check when I get home, possibly debug some stuff with you and then try the PPA
[15:25] <tjaalton> EOD here
[15:26] <marlinc> Ah, no problem :) Hav efun
[15:26] <marlinc> Ah, no problem :) Have fun
[15:27] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: do you have a testing ppa that supports arm?
[15:27] <mamarley> wgrant: Could you please enable ARM builds on ppa:mamarley/staging ?
[15:27] <mamarley> tseliot: ^
[15:28] <tseliot> thanks
[15:28] <tseliot> 304 is in xenial now
[15:29] <mamarley> On the other hand, maybe we should have an "official" staging PPA to which we can all upload.
[15:30] <tseliot> good point
[15:30] <mamarley> ricotz: What do you think about that?
[15:36] <mamarley> tseliot: I am not at home so I am unable to create the PPA at the moment, but unless ricotz objects you should be able to create it.
[15:37] <tseliot> mamarley: ok
[15:37] <ricotz> mamarley, tseliot, for what is it needed? just for 361?
[15:38] <tseliot> in the meantime I'm going to build 361 on my Meizu Mx4...
[15:38] <mamarley> Just a general-purpose staging PPA to which we can all upload for stuff like testing builds that we aren't sure are ready for general consumption.
[15:38] <mamarley> Like this armhf test.
[15:39] <ricotz> more ppas will just get confusing imo, just push it to the main ppa
[15:39] <ricotz> in case of armhf just use a local pbuilder or so to test if it at least builds
[15:43] <tjaalton> tseliot: x-staging has all archs..
[15:44] <tseliot> tjaalton: that's good
[15:45] <tseliot> ricotz: I tried my schroot (which usually works well for armhf) but the packaging scripts kept thinking it was amd64...
[15:50] <ricotz> tseliot, this would mean DEB_BUILD_ARCH is populated wrong?
[15:51] <tseliot> it's not necessarily wrong. Something goes wrong with foreign vs native arch
[15:52] <ricotz> tseliot, use pbuilder which uses qemu
[15:52] <ricotz> it is crawling slow but seems to do it right
[15:52] <tseliot> ricotz: I use qemu-static I think
[15:52] <tseliot> I should really check...
[15:55] <tseliot> my phone works for testing :)
[16:19] <marlinc> tjaalton, tseliot I've tested a few things and added instructions of how I got it to crash. I also attached two screenshots of errors I got from 'Screen Display' the display utility in Unity https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-352/+bug/1542629
[16:35] <tjaalton> marlinc: ok, test the ppa then
[16:39] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: I've finally got the packaging of 361 right for arm too. I am going to upload in a bit. The packages will end up in NEW though :/
[16:45] <marlinc> Will do tjaalton
[17:09] <ricotz> tseliot, great
[17:17] <marlinc> Lets see what happends
[17:17] <marlinc> Lets see what happenss
[17:17] <marlinc> Lets see what happens
[17:18] <marlinc> Is this bad? Its about to remove xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[17:20] <marlinc> Well anyway, lets try. I can always go back using ZFS
[17:21] <mamarley> tseliot: Great, thanks!  When I get home from work later I will do the packaging for gpu-drivers.
[17:22] <tseliot> it's uploading now. I will also push to my git branches when the uploads are over
[17:37] <marlinc> Okay, the PPA kind of makes it worse, when I now switch to the NVIDIA driver using prime-select not even lightdm can start.
[17:37] <marlinc> Its spewing quite a few errors, I'll gist those
[17:44] <marlinc> tseliot, tjaalton here are logs of LightDM errors when using prime-select nvidia using that PPA
[19:16] <tjaalton> here?
[19:17] <tjaalton> noone uses -mouse, it's going to be removed from the archive too..
[19:19] <marlinc> I'm sorry.. I guess I didn't include the link m
[19:19] <marlinc> One moment
[19:19] <marlinc> tjaalton, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2d6ec0b85280241fc0c7
[19:28] <tjaalton> so unity-greeter crashes for some reason
[19:28] <tjaalton> but only with nvidia?
[19:29] <tjaalton> /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/90-nvidia.conf what's this?
[19:31] <tjaalton> marlinc: try commenting out the line with "type="
[19:32] <marlinc> Let me check
[19:32] <marlinc> type=xlocal
[19:33] <marlinc> So I guess I have to reconfigure the PPA
[19:33] <marlinc> Let me make a clone using ZFS so I can switch back and forth
[19:33] <tjaalton> reconfigure?
[19:33] <tjaalton> just edit the file
[19:34] <marlinc> I've rolled back to before I installed the PPA
[19:34] <tjaalton> uh
[19:34] <tjaalton> ok
[19:35] <marlinc> Okay brb, I'll reboot to the cloned dataset and add the PPA again
[19:39] <marlinc> Okay done that tjaalton, I'm rebooting with it uncommented
[19:39] <tjaalton> tseliot: what does that bit do btw? (type=xlocal)
[19:40] <marlinc> Its still crashing
[19:40] <marlinc> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0dbd5db73a13bf83fe03
[19:40] <tjaalton> well then try commenting out the rest
[19:41] <tjaalton> I guess those scripts are failing
[19:41] <marlinc> Would restarting lightdm do? Or do I have to restart?
[19:41] <tjaalton> restart lightdm
[19:42] <marlinc> Now the screen stays black, lets check the logs
[19:42] <tjaalton> but doesn't crash
[19:42] <tjaalton> tseliot: looks like this one is on you ;)
[19:43] <tjaalton> nvidia-prime and/or gpu-manager is unhappy with x-staging
[19:43] <marlinc> I am getting a lot of errors in the log though, let me gist them
[19:43] <marlinc> In the greeter log that is
[19:44] <marlinc> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1f8d9e00474afbf209b8
[19:45] <tjaalton> because it probably really needs the scripts working
[19:46] <marlinc> I'm getting quite of bit of this as well, not sure if its related, this is in the kernel log https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a7d2b4a15560f99f9703
[19:46] <tjaalton> a bios update might get rid of the acpi stuff
[19:47] <tjaalton> what intel cpu is it?
[19:47] <marlinc> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710MQ CPU @ 2.50GHz
[19:47] <tjaalton> haswell
[19:48] <tjaalton> don't think the fifo underruns are critical
[19:48] <marlinc> Okay, not sure what they mean so I though I'd at least show them
[19:49] <tjaalton> the original dmesg had them
[19:49] <marlinc> Going to reboot back to my normal install, since I've created a clone I can always go back to this exact environment
[19:54] <marlinc> How do you actually test this stuff and how do you make it reproducible
[19:58] <tjaalton> i don't, no hybrids here
[20:28] <marlinc> Well thanks a lot tjaalton, sorry for the inconvenience
[20:33] <soee_> mamarley: why only new nvidia-settings is uploaded to ppa and not the drivers ?
[20:33] <mamarley> soee_: Because uploading NVIDIA drivers isn't what pays the bills. :)
[20:34] <soee_> :)
[20:34] <mamarley> I think there is already 361.28 in NEW for Xenial, so when I get home, I will use that as a basis for packages for all the other versions.
[20:35] <soee_> in NEW ?
[20:35] <soee_> i'm no Xenial and dot see it in drivers ppa
[20:37] <mamarley> soee_: It was uploaded to the official Xenial repository, but last I heard, it is still in NEW which means it isn't published yet.
[20:54] <tseliot> tjaalton: type=xlocal means that it shouldn't be using the system compositor
[20:57] <tseliot> marlinc: if you're around, we can debug this tomorrow
[20:57] <marlinc> Sure
[20:57] <tseliot> ok


[12:05] <feisty-fox[m]> feisty-fox: feisty-fox feisty-fox
[12:27] <feisty-fox[m]> Hi! Sorry if this is way off topic but I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I can bookmark this discussion for future reference. Maybe there is a way to find it under the user menu but I have not seen it.
[12:27] <feisty-fox[m]>  It seems I am using the element.io app.
[12:28] <feisty-fox[m]> Thanks!
[12:28] <feisty-fox[m]> * off topic (or a frequently asked question) but I
[14:15] <feisty-fox[m]>  * Hi! Sorry if this is way off topic (or a frequently asked question) but I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I can bookmark this discussion for future reference. Maybe there is a way to find my older conversations under the user menu, but I have not seen anything like this. Thanks!
[14:15] <feisty-fox[m]>  * Hi! Sorry if this is way off topic (or a frequently asked question) but I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I can bookmark this discussion for future reference. Maybe there is a way to find my older conversations under the user menu, but I have not seen anything like this.
[14:15] <MoonsofMoons[m]> feisty-fox: from what I have found, no. If you stay in the "room" it persists in your app, but you can't leave the room and have it available as a saved or favorited place to return to later. Element / Matrix is not very intuitive IMO and this is a good example of that.
[14:15] <MoonsofMoons[m]> FYI, there is an Ubuntu Studio Cafe room for off-topic discussion not related to software support
[14:20] <feisty-fox[m]> Ok. Maybe underlying matrix protocol (?) is more like modernized IRC or something more transient.
[14:20] <feisty-fox[m]> My deep ignorance is showing 😜
[14:20] <feisty-fox[m]> Moons of Moons: thanks
[14:21] <MoonsofMoons[m]> I really don't know. I am fairly new to Matrix. What I do is stay in the room but mute notifications for rooms that I only visit occasionally.
[14:22] <feisty-fox[m]> Guess I better save 'dem links
[14:23] <MoonsofMoons[m]> Haha, yeah.
[18:19] <OvenWerk1> any good irc client will have a logging function
[18:20] <OvenWerk1> Also with the *buntu* irc channels there are logs online: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[18:21] <OvenWerk1> for example your conversation above would be: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/02/04/%23ubuntustudio.html
[18:22] <OvenWerk1> feisty-fox[m]: ^^^
[18:28] <OvenWerk1> Also note that the ubuntu channels are odd that way as most irc channels are expected _not_ to be publicly logged
[18:35] <feisty-fox[m]> Interesting -- thanks!
[18:41] <feisty-fox[m]> Oh nice - I see I can create a link to irclogs.ubuntu.com that has the links that were sent to me in context etc.
[18:41] <feisty-fox[m]> Thank you1
[18:41] <feisty-fox[m]>  * Thank you!
[19:27] <CoryCollins[m]>  Version 20.04.3 LTS Focal Fossa
[19:27] <CoryCollins[m]> (Xfce Desktop)
[19:28] <CoryCollins[m]> Sorry, that got Garbled. Ubuntu Studion version 20.04.3 Focal Fossa, trying to pair a bluetooth speaker.
[19:29] <CoryCollins[m]> I can see it in Bluetooth Devices as a head set, but van't seem to get any sound from it. and the blue light on the speaker continues to blink as if it's still searching
[19:30] <CoryCollins[m]> The setup says Congratulations, you're finished, lol
[19:31] <CoryCollins[m]> s/van/can/
[19:39] <CoryCollins[m]> Meanwhile, I'll still be googling around. Any of you guys here use Anker BT stuff?
[19:52] <CoryCollins[m]> Stumbled across it. One more step in the menu bar to actually connect to the already identified, paired, and trusted device. There you go.
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> CoryCollins[m]: If you're running Jack, just know that Jack can't work with bluetooth at all. PulseAudio interfaces with Bluetooth audio directly, it doesn't even work with ALSA.


[17:19] <mihail> Hey, not sure where to ask that but here it is. I have setup lockscreen after 5 minutes of inactivity, but when i play games with a Xinput controller, the lockscreen kicks in after 5 mins as mentioned, despite the is activity. Question: how to fix this? How to take account of that input device so the screen does not lock?
[17:38] <tomreyn> mihail: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu


[03:07] <pacavaca_> Am I right expecting MAAS in this case http://d.pr/i/1j30X to set default gateway to be the gateway of a single configured network and persist it in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:51] <pacavaca_> Ok, seems I've figured it out. Not sure if it's a bug or feature, I'll just leave it here: http://d.pr/i/1kvpd
[07:24] <jojden> hii
[07:24] <jojden> http://askubuntu.com/questions/792289/bson-data-iteration
[07:28] <jojden> when i call the resp = self.client.get(u"nodes/%s/" % node_id, "details")
[07:29] <jojden> print  resp.read()
[07:29] <jojden> I am getting following o/p
[07:29] <jojden> http://pastebin.com/QXEqEgn1
[07:29] <jojden> how can i iterate this
[07:32] <jojden> http://askubuntu.com/questions/792637/get-node-details
[08:56] <brendand> jojden, that's the lshw output, what are you trying to do with it? i didn't quite understand what you meant by 'iterate it'?
[08:58] <jojden> I want to iterate each node details from that
[08:58] <jojden> And that is combination of lldp and lshw o/p right ?
[08:58] <jojden> brendand
[09:00] <brendand> i'm not sure what lldp is, but yeah it looks like that
[09:02] <brendand> jojden, i'd need to check if the api provides a way to specify the output to be in json format but that would be the most straightforward. otherwise you need to use an xml parser, which are a bit of a pain to use for the most part
[09:02] <jojden> yes
[09:02] <jojden> https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/api.html
[09:03] <jojden> here in API it saying that the o/p will be BSON istead of JSON
[09:03] <brendand> jojden, what are you trying to do exactly?
[09:03] <jojden> Returns a {detail_type: xml, ...} map, where detail_type is something like “lldp” or “lshw”.
[09:03] <jojden> Note that this is returned as BSON and not JSON. This is for efficiency, but mainly because JSON can’t do binary content without applying additional encoding like base-64.
[09:05] <jojden> What I need is, I need to iterate businfo, physid, description etc
[09:06] <jojden> Also if I have lldp details, then I need to iterate that also
[09:09] <brendand> jojden, oh right. while the content returned is BSON the lshw and lldp output are still in xml
[09:09] <jojden> yes
[10:24] <mup> Bug #1597266 opened: MAAS - multiple DNS zones with the same duplicated zone name <cpec> <maas> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597266>
[10:30] <mup> Bug #1597266 changed: MAAS - multiple DNS zones with the same duplicated zone name <cpec> <maas> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597266>
[10:42] <mup> Bug #1597266 opened: MAAS - multiple DNS zones with the same duplicated zone name <cpec> <maas> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597266>
[12:07] <f1gjam> 	hey guys, im releaseing a server and i have enabled erase disk in settings. Is there anyway i can track the progress of the erase task?
[12:22] <valeech> f1gjam: does /var/log/maas/rsyslog/[host].log show anything?
[12:22] <f1gjam> this is MaaS 1.9
[12:22] <f1gjam> rsyslog is empty
[12:22] <f1gjam> :'(
[12:25] <valeech> f1gjam: sorry, that was all I had :) I am pretty new to maas
[12:36] <mup> Bug #1597324 opened: [2.0b8] Unable to set default gateway interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597324>
[12:48] <mup> Bug #1597324 changed: [2.0b8] Unable to set default gateway interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597324>
[12:54] <mup> Bug #1597324 opened: [2.0b8] Unable to set default gateway interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597324>
[13:01] <secate> hi there
[13:02] <secate> has anyone attempted to use "set-default-gateway" in a recent build of MAAS?
[13:02] <secate> I should have said; has anyone had success using "set-default-gateway" in a recent build of MAAS? :)
[13:09] <kiko> I've heard of problems with it
[13:09] <kiko> mpontillo may know more
[13:10] <f1gjam> Kiko any idea how to see how far disk erasing has gone?
[13:11] <kiko> f1gjam, blake_r_ would know, but what /I/ know is that it takes a LONG time
[13:11] <secate> thanks kiko
[13:11] <kiko> f1gjam, we have a feature request for this cycle to use SATA SE which would make it faster for most models
[13:12] <secate> I used it in an earlier release (can't remember if it was 1.9x or 2.0ax) but I'm testing beta8 now and it's not working
[13:12] <secate> filed a bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1597324
[13:15] <kiko> secate, thanks
[13:18] <mpontillo> thanks secate, I'll take a look
[13:35] <f1gjam> kiko thanks mate, so it was a bad idea to do it :(
[13:35] <kiko> f1gjam, if it helps, you can just abort it and move on :)
[13:36] <f1gjam> only problem now is to find out why landscape stops
[13:36] <kiko> f1gjam, it won't cause any problems to stop the process half-way
[13:36] <f1gjam> at 70%
[13:37] <mup> Bug #1597345 opened: maas 1.9.3: twistd high cpu usage <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597345>
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1597345 changed: maas 1.9.3: twistd high cpu usage <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597345>
[13:43] <mup> Bug #1597345 opened: maas 1.9.3: twistd high cpu usage <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597345>
[13:45] <secate> mpontillo: no worries, if you need anything more from me just let me know
[15:02] <sjl> is there a way maas can configure a node's IP without DHCP?  Trying to avoid having to require every tenant's network to support DHCP.
[15:43] <kiko> sjl, we need DHCP for the commissioning/deployment process, but not after that
[15:43] <kiko> sjl, can you explain what you're looking for?
[15:48] <sjl> we are expecting maas to configure our tenant machines networking (at most can have 3 ip's (private, public, and storage)), and with the exception of storage, each tenant has their own private and public vlan
[15:49] <sjl> having to have a rack controller listen on every tenant vlan seems too heavy, and also introduce an attack vector into maas.
[15:52] <sjl> atm looking at advanced curtin, which looks promising but requires some digging
[15:56] <kiko> sjl, with MAAS 1.9 and 2.0 you can attribute IPs without DHCP
[15:56] <kiko> sjl, they get written into the curtin config directly
[15:56] <kiko> have you tried that functionality?
[15:56] <kiko> sjl, that works for each interface the machine has
[15:56] <sjl> don't think so, that looks like what I need!
[15:58] <sjl> On a machine in the Ready state, I've changed its interface IP from "Auto assign" to "Static assign" but that static IP is still provided to the node via DHCP
[15:58] <sjl> is that what you meant?
[15:59] <sjl> or at least the static IP was DHCP Offered during PXE
[16:07] <sjl> kiko, hmm perhaps I've setup maas region controller incorrectly.  The vlan (untagged) I'm trying to allocate a static IP from is setup with DHCP in maas.  let me try a new vlan without DHCP enabled in maas, and see what happens.
[16:08] <kiko> sjl, ah
[16:08] <kiko> sjl, so PXE always uses DHCP
[16:08] <kiko> sjl, but once installed the machine no longer PXE boots
[16:40] <sjl> does maas 2.0 have an api method of configuring a node's vlan interfaces like this curtin example? https://github.com/battlemidget/astokes.org/blob/master/lib/posts/2013-10-09-customizing-fastpath-curtin-installations.md
[16:56] <mattrae> hi, i'm using MAAS 2.0 beta 8. when i check the box in settings for 'Enable the use of an APT and HTTP/HTTPS proxy', on the deployed nodes I am seeing the proxy added to the apt configuration.. but i don't see any http_proxy or https_proxy enviornment variables being set on the nodes
[16:56] <mattrae> should I expect to see http_proxy and https_proxy set on the deployed nodes?
[16:58] <mattrae> i don't see http_proxy or https_proxy added in /etc/environment either
[18:06] <nturner> smoser, so it turns out all I had to do to turn my AMI-compatible raw image into one that MaaS can deploy and boot was to create a shell script that just exits with success and put it in the image as  /curtin/curtin-hooks.
[18:07] <nturner> (and tar up the img file)
[18:08] <nturner> Of course, while it now boots, cloud-config does not appear to be finding a maas data source (it claims to be looking).
[18:08] <nturner> Anyone know if there is any special cloud-init configuration (or minimum version) needed for it to integrate with maas?
[18:09] <nturner> I'm using the version currently in CentOS (0.7.5-10.el6.centos.2)
[18:10] <smoser> nturner, well, that is what your /curtin/curtin-hooks would do
[18:10] <smoser> it is executed and can then seed the configuration of this instance into cloud-init in the installed system.
[18:14] <nturner> Do you mean something like write a new cloud.cfg to tell it where the maas controller is?
[18:16] <nturner> Does MaaS not provide some kind of user-data API (like EC2) where the data returned depends on the machine making the request?
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1597460 opened: MAAS 1.9 should only download filetypes from a SimpleStream is can process <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597460>
[18:28] <sjl> are there any other docs that talk about advanced maas networking like this blog: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/01/31/nodes-networking-deploying-openstack-on-maas-1-9-with-juju/
[18:29] <nturner> OK, I see from DataSourceMAAS.py that it will read data files (in /var/lib/cloud/seed/maas?) if they exist, but also expects to have a metadata_url from which to fetch metadata. ..
[18:29] <sjl> in particular sample api client calls that do the same thing?
[18:29] <nturner> Does this metadata_url need to be manually configured?
[18:42] <nturner> OK, I see /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90_dpkg_maas.cfg does exactly this on a 'normally' installed Ubuntu guest... getting closer...
[20:05] <mup> Bug #1597498 opened: Failure to deploy due to iSCSI errors with daily images <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597498>
[20:05] <f1gjam> hey guys how can i see why i cant access the landscape web page?
[20:05] <f1gjam> i can ping the box
[20:05] <f1gjam> even telnet to prt 80 and 443
[20:05] <f1gjam> but when trying to open in a browser it just hangs
[20:06] <f1gjam> ok i sovled that problem :)
[20:23] <bbaqar> hey guys .. is there any way to connect a bridge to a VLAN interface i have created using maas? i.e. bond0.120 -> br-mgmt
[20:55] <pacavaca_> Is there a way for user to Acquire & Power On the node without re-imaging?
[21:01] <jhegge> pacavaca_: I still haven't figured out what the Acquire state is for but with the API I'd guess you can power on any commissioned node (with power type set at least)
[21:04] <pacavaca_> jhegge: Acquired stated means one more thing I think: machine has an owner associated with it, which is important for the use case I'm trying to implement. Also you can't really power-on the machine even through cli until it's "Allocated"
[21:07] <nacc> hey folks, was just cleaning up some bugs and ran across: LP: #1321885. AIUI, it was fixed in MAAS and the other marked-as-affected packages are actually false and can either be deleted or maked as invalid?
[21:12] <jhegge> pacavaca_: Allocated sets an owner, too, so Acquire is change owner to my user. I was just going to check something but all my MAAS VMs just tanked VMWare...
[21:13] <pacavaca_> I think "Allocate" is what's called "Acquire" in UI
[21:15] <pacavaca_> but simply calling "power-on" still triggers the re-imaging process
[21:19] <jhegge> pacavaca_: Okay, that's confused me, I've been using the API lately, allocating.  Now, when I allocate with API, I didn't see a re-imaging, just a change from Ready to Allocated.  I've not used power-on separately (yet), just straight to deploy.
[21:20] <jhegge> pacavaca_: I was just thinking though that power-on w/o imaging and nothing installed could result in the machine booting the existing local disk.  MAAS would sort let it get away then.
[21:21] <pacavaca_> jhegge: I thought so too, but that's not what's happening. I'm trying a different flow right now: allocate -> mark broken -> power on -> mark fixed. Let's see whether it'll still boot into new image or not.
[21:30] <nturner> woohoo! success!
[21:31] <nturner> The process is pretty straightforward once I understood it. Essentially, all my custom curtin hook had to do was grab the resource specified on the kernel command line and stick it into a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d.
[21:33] <nturner> So simple that one wonders if cloud-init should just check /proc/cmdline for a cloud-config-url itself...
[21:33] <nturner> (Maybe newer versions do?)
[21:34] <nturner> Anyway, thanks smoser for the pointers (and you know, all your work on this slick system).
[22:23] <mup> Bug #1597541 opened: cannot configure node networkings with multiple gateways <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597541>
[22:52] <pacavaca_> What's the process of forking a project on launchpad? Or, in other words, how can I have my own version of MAAS with some small changes (which may not be welcomed in the main repo, but I still need them)? Is it possible to fork -> make the changes -> get custom .deb packages installable from ppa in rather easy way?


[00:06] <ccheney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot  seems to not mention the fact that Windows 7 remakes the partition table using its offsets which are not the same as what Linux uses
[00:13] <arand> ccheney: testdisk is a tool for finding hidden partitions and rewriting partiion table...
[00:15] <ccheney> arand: well i think what i need is to determine what geometry windows 7 uses and force linux to use the same when i use fdisk to setup the system
[00:15] <ccheney> because linux and windows 7 apparently don't use the same
[00:16] <ccheney> i don't really have to have windows outside a vm so i guess i can just blow it away and reinstall just linux
[00:17] <ccheney> hmm fsck claims its good
[00:17] <ccheney> so maybe it isn't failing due to corruption but some other reason
[00:22] <arand> ccheney: hmm, was basically just namedropping testdisk since I knew it (and just realised this is in -devel, hm, ignore me..)
[00:33] <ccheney> arand: no problem :)
[00:34] <ccheney> arand: hmm i tried rebooting and disabling various bits and it still doesn't work, very strange
[00:34] <ccheney> the usb install media works though, so i am just going to nuke win7 and reinstall just lucid :-\
[00:37] <arand> ccheney: Hmm, been planning some multi-boot setup, sounds like one should be cautious..
[00:37] <ccheney> arand: yep be careful, it seems like win7 did something weird to my system, so just going back to vm only for win7
[04:23] <Some_Person> Under what conditions is prerelease software included in ubuntu?
[08:29] <dupondje> damn so many packages in the queue :)
[16:47] <hemanth> me trying ground control, having an issue after loading the project i'm not seeing "load code" button for any project either than ubuntu-learning-materials, what could be the issue?
[18:38] <ccheney> anyone know if there is a bug report about keyboard repeat rate apparently being turned off?
[18:42] <sebner> ccheney: you mean you have to keep pushing a key instead of keep it pressed?
[18:42] <geser> ccheney: at least it is known, I've seen it mentioned in this channel yesterday
[18:42] <sebner> ccheney: ah, see #motu
[18:43] <ccheney> sebner: yea have to hit it every time i want to do something, very annoying for arrow keys especially
[18:44] <geser> just re-enable it in the settings again
[18:44] <sebner> ccheney: I had the same yesterday. Dunno if any update or a reboot fixed it but it's working again
[18:44] <ccheney> geser: oh its a gnome settings thing?
[18:44] <geser> yes
[18:44] <ccheney> ah yea it works at command line
[18:45] <geser> and don't leave the delay slider at minimum value else you get each key press twice
[18:45] <ccheney> geser: thanks, i was wondering how to fix that :)
[18:46]  * sebner is happy that his system evidently has self-healing abilities :)
[18:46] <dupondje> was disabled here also :) just had to renenable it again, ah well :D
[18:47] <ccheney> dupondje: it seems to be disabled by default in lucid or was as of the cd image from a couple days ago
[19:36] <ccheney> sebner: apparently even once you set the repeat rate if you put the system to sleep and bring it back and its broken again
[19:36] <ccheney> sebner: and this time the settings show up properly for having repeat turned on
[19:36]  * ccheney will show seb128 on monday i suppose
[19:36] <sebner> ccheney: wth? :) have you tried to reboot?
[19:47] <ccheney> sebner: not yet, i'll try that now
[19:57] <ccheney> sebner: works after reboot
[19:58] <sebner> ccheney: glad to hear, dunno about this suspend/hibernate stuff. Never used that
[19:58] <ccheney> hmm works this time after suspend/resume
[19:58] <ccheney> so seems to not happen every time
[20:15] <sebner> ccheney: or the reboot fixed it (windows-like) :P
[20:22] <ccheney> sebner: heh yea
[20:23] <ccheney> sebner: i have noticed some weird bugs with gnome settings stuff in the past
[20:23] <sebner> ccheney: /me acks that
[21:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ubuntu people. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-26-generic -updates having a higher version then -security - is this considered a problem?
[21:41] <Tm_T> hi Kamping_Kaiser and no I don't think it's any problem
[21:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: hi mate. and thanks, just wanted to be sure.
[21:42] <jpds> Kamping_Kaiser: the -updates changelog seems to include the security one.
[21:43] <ScottK> Kamping_Kaiser: Updates is updated from Security
[21:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ScottK: sorry, not sure i follow what you said
[21:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> jpds: and hi to you. :)
[21:55] <Pretto> what is the correct bzr command to upload a fix for bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptoncd/+bug/214353 ??
[21:58] <Pretto> bzr commit --fixes aptoncd:214353 doesnt seems to work :S
[22:00] <Pretto> worked only using lp:214353 but not with LP:214353
[22:00] <Pretto> :)
[22:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks for the clarification re versioning, I'm off again :0
[23:15]  * marjo_ waves
[23:50] <unimatrix> does anyone know anything about the /usr/share/alsa/card/*.conf files ?