[01:44] <Righteou5> question, is there any known issue with kde not working correctly in wine games. Example when I open BOTF in xfce the curser is fine but when i open it in kde i have to go below what I want to select for it to work
[01:52] <reborn> hey there?
[01:53] <reborn> why is kubuntu recommender only 32 bit?
[01:55] <tsimpson> reborn: only because it works on both 32 and 64 bit CPUs, if you have a 64 bit CPU you can get the 64 bit version
[01:57] <reborn> thanks for the reply.
[02:36] <Anonymous_> Hello
[02:36] <dougiel> hi
[02:37] <Anonymous_> How are you
[02:37] <dougiel> oops
[02:37] <Anonymous_> What?
[02:37] <dougiel> not allowed to chat in here :P
[02:37] <Anonymous_> Who you
[02:37] <Anonymous_> lol
[02:38] <dougiel> anyway good luck - nite all
[02:38] <Anonymous_> Night
[02:56] <sma> test
[05:49] <Jalm> Fin or Eng? need help
[05:51] <soee> !fi
[05:51] <Tm_T> hei Jalm
[05:52] <Jalm> moi! meninkin jo tonne Fi kanavalle.
[08:44] <marcellus> test
[08:44] <marcellus> test2
[08:50] <valorie> marcellus: what are you testing?
[10:55] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:03] <csj> en....
[12:03] <csj> 原来还有kubuntu聊天室呢
[15:27] <smaudet> Greetings all, I've been testing out kubuntu (and other kde variants) on an older box, and I've noticed that they seem to randomly power down. Is there an issue with the kernel, or running live cds of the newer images? I'm not sure what the problem is, plan is to run these distros for a couple days on a real install and see what happens.
[15:27] <smaudet> Just wondering if there are any known problems at the moment.
[15:27] <smaudet> (I'm talking about 14.04 images)
[15:28] <smaudet> Also if it helps its a core 2 duo laptop, and I was running a 32 bit image, maybe there is a problem with the bit mismatch.
[15:32] <genii> Might be your pwer saving settings in the BIOS
[15:33] <BluesKaj> smaudet, you can run 32 on a 64bit machine without ptoblems, but it could be graphics that are problematic on an older machine
[15:51] <smaudet> BluesKaj: it could be, that machine doesn't have amazing graphics, but it was running pretty smoothly otherwise I thought
[15:54] <smaudet> genii: thanks, I'll check that
[15:54] <smaudet> didn't see your comment before
[16:35] <skinux> How deeply can we customize our installation before we can no longer get support in this channel?
[16:36] <georgelappies> anyway to change the ugly Google notification icon in the notify area??
[16:36] <Walex> skinux: you get no support in this channel, you get volunteer help, if someone feels like to comment.
[16:37] <skinux> I was referring to volunteer help.
[16:37] <Walex> skinux: if you want support, Canonical has support plans that come with clear deliminations.
[16:37] <skinux> I cannot afford to pay for support, that's kind of expensive.
[16:38] <Walex> skinux: volunteer help is up to individuals attending the channel and having free time...
[16:38] <Walex> skinux: but in general it is more or less: using Canonical provided repos and packages is good.
[16:39] <Walex> skinux: BTW, more than Canonical IO could have mentioned the (other) Kubuntu sponsor.
[16:40] <Walex> skinux: "official" repos are good, some PPAs also good (e.g. the KDE PPA for latest KDE SC versions).
[16:40] <Walex> skinux: people here use them, so they may have encountered the same issues.
[16:40] <skinux> Okay.
[16:41] <skinux> I've been having problems with .sh and .bin files, getting permission denied trying to execute them. Right now, it's a .sh file, I've checked permissions and ownership already.
[16:44] <FreeWolF> hello
[16:46] <jubo2> Ciao FreeWolF
[16:46] <jubo2> come stai ?
[16:48] <jubo2> You have a FLGOSS related question, FreeWolF ?
[16:48] <NDS> i lost my windows drives after installing ubuntu. any way to recover them?
[16:48] <jubo2> NDS: have they been written out from the GRUB ?
[16:48] <jubo2> that can be fixed
[16:49] <jubo2> or did some disk management tool destroy the partition journaled data
[16:49] <NDS> jubo2 i made the wrong selection "install ubuntu replacing windows"
[16:49] <jubo2> NDS: if you chose "manual" in the "Disk" portion of the installation you are able to destroy the Windows disk
[16:50] <jubo2> NDS: sry to convey it but that sounds like something that terminates and recycles the existing disk
[16:50] <jubo2> ... apparently using the whole disk
[16:51] <jubo2> NDS: I don't know if data recovery is possible without reloadable backups
[16:51] <NDS> jubo2 i tried a tool called "testdisk" and it waas able to list the lost partitions
[16:51] <FreeWolF> just a question: someone here use steam for linux?
[16:52] <jubo2> NDS: this boots offa removable USB or optic device ( not within the OSes ondisk ?
[16:52] <NDS> jubo2 sorry i didnt get your question
[16:52] <jubo2> I'm sorry I wrote it wrong
[16:53] <jubo2> You started a program called testdisk .. I was asking about in what OS ?
[16:53] <NDS> i was in live mode
[16:54] <jubo2> NDS: I'm sorry. I cannot help you much..
[16:54] <jubo2> I'd guess the data is gone
[16:54] <jubo2> but I dunno
[16:54] <NDS> jubo2 ok. is there anyway i can connect it to my other pc?
[16:55] <jubo2> NDS: yes.. SATA2 and SATA3 are compatible
[16:55] <NDS> jubo2 its a laptop . still can i?
[16:55] <jubo2> this means that nearly any SATAsomething are compatible with standard wiring
[16:55] <jubo2> NDS: you can take the SATA3 drive out of the laptop bottom hatch ( usually )
[16:56] <jubo2> attach it to any standard USBsomenumber-to-SATA
[16:56] <NDS> jubo2 ok. thank you for your help
[16:56] <jubo2> Costs like $3 in China and around the 20€ in Finlan
[16:57] <jubo2> those are just my 'igh figures.. except in Finlan the price is 21-22€ for a cased or noncased USB-to-SATA connection solution
[16:58] <jubo2> I've collected a linky collection of meta-price-searchengines and review sites and review aggregators
[16:58] <jubo2> I get linky
[16:59] <jubo2> http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Price_comparison_services
[17:00] <jubo2> I think I'm going to do my sales and marketing field thesis I'ma do it on these and ethics in theory and ethics in practice
[17:01] <jubo2> and gonna include something about http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Review_aggregators_and_review_sites
[17:03] <jubo2> talk about domain name prices ?
[17:04] <natman> Anyone know if there is any work ongoing with the KDE IM client - Telepathy? I would like to have an encryption option.
[17:04] <jubo2> a .ki will set you back 900€ / annum ( excl. VAT ), and a .wiki will set you back 25.54€ ( excl. VAT )
[17:05] <jubo2> let alone what you have to pay if you want someone's registered trademark or so.. it sports the brand no ?
[17:05] <jubo2> Subways originally started wit 3 restaurants iirc
[17:05] <jubo2> now they're a global brand
[17:23] <smaudet> skinux: buying support is good - it means more Canonical, which means more updates, which means more volunteers...anyways you probably need to chmod +x your .sh files
[17:27] <Flint_> I'm having bluetooth cutting out, is there a fix i might use?
[17:33] <natman> Anyone know if there is any work ongoing with the KDE IM client - Telepathy? I would like to have an encryption option.
[17:34] <Walex> natman: #KDE may be better
[17:35] <tsimpson> there's #kde-telepathy
[18:00] <micahcowan> How to set the umask for desktop automounts?
[18:00] <micahcowan> (so that other users, say, "nobody", can read it)
[18:17] <micahcowan> Looks like udisks --mount DEV --mount-options ...,umask=022 gets _almost_ what I want, except now it's mounted under /media instead of /media/micah.
[18:28] <skinux> For some reason, chmod isn't working for some files in my home directory
[18:28] <skinux> No error, but it doesn't actually do it.
[18:33] <micahcowan> For anyone curious about the answer to mine, the final answer was to use udisksctl, not udisks, and adjust invocation accordingly.
[18:33] <micahcowan> skinux, is it an external mount of a vfat fs?
[18:33] <micahcowan> Er, guess not if it's home dir :)
[18:34] <micahcowan> What's the command you're using?
[19:00] <skinux> No. It's a shell script
[19:01] <skinux> start script for Vim4J, a Java GUI for VIM
[19:21] <rberg> skinux those files are not immutable or owned by root?
[19:21] <skinux> They're owned by my user
[19:21] <skinux> currently only read and write permissions
[19:22] <rberg> no 'i' in there?
[19:22] <skinux> I'm trying to allow executable, but chmod isn't actually doing it.
[19:22] <skinux> Nope, no i
[19:23] <rberg> dang.. cause that would do it
[19:23] <rberg> and if you try to -x it without the script still no error?
[19:24] <rberg> er +x I meant
[19:24] <skinux> I gotta go. I'll try again later.
[20:05] <skinux> rberg: You still in here?
[20:05] <rberg> yeah I am at the controls
[20:09] <skinux> Sorry I had to take off. Can you continue helping me with permissions?
[20:11] <skinux> I've tried doing +x and a+x, with and without sudo. No error, but no change either.
[20:16] <skinux> I also have this problem with .bin files.
[20:20] <skinux> I really don't understand why chmod isn't working on some shell scripts and most bin files.
[20:20] <skinux> Usually I can use graphical file browser to set executable, but that isn't working in this case either.
[20:21] <skinux> And, I swear I'm not trolling
[20:22] <skinux> Graphical change did it now I think.
[20:23] <skinux> Now I'm getting this running ./configure: checking for executable suffix... no
[20:23] <skinux> configure: error: cannot compile a simple program, check CC and CFLAGS
[20:23] <skinux>   (cross compiling doesn't work)
[20:26] <ikonia> cross compiling works fine if you do it right
[20:29] <Pici> skinux: what are you trying to compile?
[20:37] <skinux> Vim4J
[20:37] <skinux> Here is the complete output: http://pastebin.com/adBatum9
[20:45] <rberg> i think there is a config.log or something with more info
[20:47] <kokeboy1> hello. can anyone help me...
[20:47] <buriedalive> skinux package for compilation was installed?
[20:48] <simplify> exit
[20:48] <simplify> opps...
[20:48] <buriedalive> hm
[20:49] <kokeboy1> hey !!
[20:49] <buriedalive> I near u
[20:49] <buriedalive> hey
[20:50] <buriedalive> kokeboy1 whats wrong?
[20:51] <kokeboy1> hello buriedalive. I want to see ALL the chat room of irc,, where I have to go
[20:52] <btm05> My power management settings are ignored. I can set them, but they are not saved, so that when I re-open the configuration settings they are still at the values, before I set them
[20:52] <btm05> This means, that I can't leave my laptop for longer than 10mins unattended otherwise it sleeps.
[20:52] <btm05> Makes compiling a real chore.
[20:53] <btm05> Anyone know how this can be fixed?
[20:53] <btm05> configured?
[20:53] <buriedalive> kokeboy1 your client irc?
[20:55] <kokeboy1> quassel... are there any better
[20:55] <BluesKaj> btm05, is the power management checked in the tray icon popup?
[20:55] <btm05> kokeboy1, you should try it once for the experience, but assuming you're on freenode or the like there are a _lot_ of chat rooms.
[20:56] <BluesKaj> kokeboy1, you'll flood your irc client there are thousands of chatrooms on freenode
[20:56] <btm05> BluesKaj, not sure? I can see something about a battery monitor?
[20:56] <buriedalive> kokeboy1 /list command typing
[20:56] <btm05> I'm new to kubuntu and ubuntu generally.
[20:57] <buriedalive> and you see all chat rooms
[20:59] <btm05> There's something strange about the configuration options in kubuntu: I have the option to change settings in the system settings in kde
[20:59] <BluesKaj> btm05, click in the system tray , choose system tray settings then entries>battery monitor >always visible, then  setup your choices in system settings>power management
[20:59] <btm05> And then I also have the oppertunity to change settings in 'Settings'
[21:00] <btm05> which one has precedence?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> oddly enough it;s enable power management in the system tray
[21:02] <BluesKaj> then the system settings power management choices will work, btm05
[21:03] <btm05> BluesKaj: Ok, it's the same dialog that I see when I use the kde system settings.
[21:03] <btm05> But this time it will work?
[21:03] <btm05> Well, I hope so! Thanks BluesKaj ;)
[21:05] <BluesKaj> btm05, I hope so too :)
[21:17] <Hrmx1___> Is there any option to make the scrolling more smooth? I tried now several input devices and for all of those the scrolling is very stuckish in opposite to windows.
[21:20]  * Wizard yawns
[21:24] <skinux> buriedalive: What do you mean by package for compilation? I have the source if that's what you mean.
[21:29] <btm05> BluesKaj: Thanks, that seems to have worked with the power saving.
[21:33] <Wizard> Hmm, is plasma-netbook still officially supported?
[21:44] <skinux> I'm trying to compile from ./configure, package is Vim4J
[21:44] <skinux> @buriedalive
[21:46] <Wizard> skinux: And?
[21:47] <skinux> I was answering his question
[21:47] <Wizard> :)
[21:47] <skinux> If you're offering help, here is the output: http://pastebin.com/adBatum9
[21:49] <Wizard> Weird. build-essential installed?
[21:49] <Wizard> It has to use some weird gcc flags to check if it works.
[21:49] <Wizard> Or.. it requires gcj to build (yuck!)
[21:49] <skinux> Yes, it's installed.
[21:50] <skinux> Is there a better option than GCJ?
[21:50] <Wizard> configure.log may shed some light on what's going on.
[21:50] <Wizard> This is really weird.
[21:51] <Wizard> Do you have any cross compiling gcc set as default gcc or something?
[21:52] <skinux> http://pastebin.com/adBatum9 I've added config.log
[21:52] <skinux> I haven't specifically set anythign
[21:54] <Wizard> configure:1031:20: error: '__CYGWIN32__' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:54] <Wizard>  #define __CYGWIN__ __CYGWIN32__
[21:54] <Wizard> o_O
[21:54] <Wizard> Building on Windows or what?
[21:58] <skinux> Kubuntu Linux
[21:58] <skinux> Technically Ubuntu with Kubuntu desktop installed
[21:59] <skinux> Ohh..do I need to install some kind of Cygwin libs?
[21:59] <Wizard> Definitely not, cygwin is GNU for Windows.
[21:59] <Wizard> Hmmm
[22:00] <Wizard> you could try regenerating configure script
[22:00] <Wizard> With autofoo
[22:00] <Wizard> However, I can't recall how shoud it be done
[22:00] <Wizard> 1st!
[22:00] <Wizard> It's midnight and I'm thinking on going to sleep
[22:01] <skinux> Why do we need to compile against Cygwin if we're running Linux???
[22:01] <skinux> I thought Cygwin was for compiling/running nix apps for/on Windows.
[22:01] <Wizard> It is.
[22:02] <skinux> Hmm.
[22:02] <skinux> Then why should I be cross-compiling??
[22:02] <Wizard> I'm telling you, something is screwed with this configure script.
[22:02] <skinux> Okay.
[22:02] <Wizard> I'd try generating it with autofoo
[22:04] <skinux> I can't find any such tool
[22:04] <Wizard> autogen.sh
[22:04] <Wizard> Should be in source tree
[22:04] <skinux> Okay
[22:05] <skinux> It's not.
[22:05] <Wizard> :S
[22:05] <skinux> I'll use autogen
[22:05] <Wizard> Than autoconf
[22:05] <Wizard> However I'm not very much accustomed with these medieval tools.
[22:05] <skinux> Sorry, it's been a long time since I compiled from source.
[22:06] <skinux> Would you suggest any better tools?
[22:07] <Wizard> Nah, unfortunately it is not your choice at the moment.
[22:07] <skinux> Okay.
[22:07] <skinux> What would you suggest in general?
[22:07] <Wizard> Finding out how to regenerate configure script.
[22:08] <Wizard> autoconf does it, probably
[22:08] <skinux> No, that didn't help
[22:09] <Wizard> Than I'm out of ideas :/
[22:10] <skinux> Yeah, I figured.
[22:10] <Wizard> Sorry :(
[22:11] <skinux> I won't keep trying. Software which doesn't come ready to compile obviously isn't worth my trouble anyway.
[22:11] <skinux> What is the best way to upgrade when apt says there are upgradable packages?
[22:13] <Wizard> Any. apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade or muon.
[22:14] <Wizard> They all do the same, so use whatever fits your needs.
[22:14] <Wizard> I usually just click "update" when an update notification appears.
[22:18] <skinux> I never see any such notifications
[22:18] <jubo2> Shukran, Shukran FLGOSS devels
[22:18] <jubo2> All you lovely people who actually make the pull requests
[22:19] <jubo2> and who actually send patches and such upstream instead of flabbing their mouth on irc
[22:19] <jubo2> But I'm good at flabbing my mouth in irc
[22:19] <jubo2> They also say my cooking is good
[22:19]  * skinux doesn't even know how to make a patch
[22:19] <jubo2> My code is horrible spaghetti.. I haven't coded in 7 yrs
[22:20] <skinux> I mostly write in PHP
[22:20] <jubo2> I'm much better at human languages. I've been sampling language no. 9, Brasilian Portuguese
[22:20] <Wizard> !op
[22:20] <jubo2> Looks like Polish is gonna be lang no. 10
[22:21] <skinux> Polish is a language?
[22:21] <skinux> Programming language, that is?
[22:21] <jubo2> They ( mostly ##learnanylanguage ) say that if you know one slavic language even a somewhat it's helpful in learning Polska
[22:21] <Wizard> :S
[22:22] <jubo2> skinux: nah.. I've tried some computer languages but I'm no good at them
[22:22] <skinux> Oh...spoken language
[22:22] <skinux> I at least used to be good enough Java, might be good in PHP
[22:22] <Wizard> jubo2: Skarpetki, sandały i torba z biedronki. A teraz skończ.
[22:22] <jubo2> I hear ruby and haskell are really nice
[22:22] <Wizard> skinux: I code java daily at work.
[22:23] <skinux> I've written databasing code in PHP, written most of a chat server in Java, C#, and Python
[22:23] <jubo2> voda? gazovnii dzikuje. Wizard: did that go even relatively right ?
[22:23] <skinux> As in, I mostly wrote it entirely in each language. I didn't use three languages for one program
[22:23] <jubo2> I want my water with bubbles
[22:23] <Wizard> !op
[22:24] <jubo2> Wizard: isn't dzinkuje thanks in Polska ?
[22:24] <Wizard> Time to sleep
[22:24] <Wizard> Good night ;)
[22:24] <jubo2> nighty night Wizardzor
[22:25] <Mamarok> Wizard: why do you call for ops?
[22:26] <jubo2> I hear there is this thing.. I think it was in Ruby.. you define the relations of the objects and it generates like 100% of the needed SQL
[22:26] <jubo2> that's pretty candy
[22:26] <jubo2> I used to wear the bench at academic CS in Uni of Helsinki for 11 yrs on-and-off
[22:26] <Mamarok> jubo2: you do know this is users support for Kubuntu, don't you?
[22:27] <Mamarok> so 'please stay on topic, or take your chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:27] <jubo2> It is..? Well is there any problem. Mu Kubuntu14 I'm writing this one is excellent
[22:28] <jubo2> Mamarok: so reminecing about computery stuff is offtopic and.. yeah 'k 'k .. /j #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:29] <valorie> jubo2: this is a kubuntu help channel
[22:29] <valorie> please keep other stuff in -offtopic -- it is a very friendly channel, don't worry
[22:29] <Mamarok> jubo2: the problem is the topic: user support, everything that is not users support is offtopic, else this would make users support here rather difficult if everybody is doing chit-chat here
[22:30] <jubo2> Mamarok: tru dat
[22:30] <jubo2> I'm going to see if I like lurking in #kubuntu-offtopic and thanks to all FLGOSS devels
[22:39] <SelenaG> !ops
[22:40] <SelenaG> !ops | (oerheks)
[22:44] <SelenaG> !ops | HELP CHANNEL EMERGENCY!
[22:45] <SelenaG> !ops | HELP CHANNEL EMERGENCY!\
[22:54] <Wash_Jones> Hey everyone. Trying to do a Kubuntu install with full disk encryption. Is there an alternate installer for that?
[23:11] <TelMeUK> Hello
[23:15] <valorie> good lord
[23:42] <mhall119> valorie: are you aware that emails are being sent out as you to various mailing lists about "101 Pines/Horseshoe Lake"?
[23:43] <valorie> what a disaster
[23:43] <valorie> I've just heard
[23:47] <k10_> Hi all


[00:26] <sakrecoer[b]> i found geonkick under "audio production" \o/
[00:27] <sakrecoer[b]> i was looking in "intruments", which is stupid, i should have just typed "geo" in the menu
[00:27] <sakrecoer[b]> it starts and shows in carla neatly
[00:28] <sakrecoer[b]> then i click "open" expecting to find patches...
[00:28] <sakrecoer[b]> of course there is none
[00:28] <sakrecoer[b]> but actually, there are at least 5 installed.
[00:30] <sakrecoer[b]> they are in `/usr/share/geonkick` makes total sense
[00:31] <sakrecoer[b]> if i know that my User is supposed to share stuff with my system, then i can load presets
[00:32] <sakrecoer[b]> Why is none of the synth opening their library in their respective location?
[00:32] <sakrecoer[b]> they all open /home/little-me-uknowing-user`
[00:32] <sakrecoer[b]>  * they all open `/home/little-me-uknowing-user`
[00:34] <sakrecoer[b]> so my impression is that, i get cool synth but i will have no example to follow. i will have to learn from scratch.
[00:34] <sakrecoer[b]> except, it's not true: there are PLENTY of examples installed
[00:37] <sakrecoer[b]> i'm not saying pathces should move from `/usr/share/whatever`... i'm just wondering why my shamelessly freely acquired synth isn't opening it's own oasis of goodness?
[00:40] <sakrecoer[b]> is there a way to fix that? if so: how? I would gladly do that job
[00:47] <sakrecoer[b]> lukily, geonkick has a tinywiny button in the left-right corner called "preset" \o/
[00:48] <sakrecoer[b]> i know open hydrogen
[00:49] <sakrecoer[b]>  * lukily, geonkick has a tinywiny button in the bottom-right corner called "preset" \o/
[00:50] <sakrecoer[b]> ok!...
[00:53] <sakrecoer[b]> sounds neat, but how else?
[00:53] <sakrecoer[b]> i click project > open
[00:53] <sakrecoer[b]> empty folder....
[01:01] <sakrecoer[b]> luckily ther is a tinywiny button in the middle-right...
[01:01] <sakrecoer[b]> pattern
[01:04] <sakrecoer[b]> i know US isn't building these instruments...
[01:04] <sakrecoer[b]> But how come there is no convetion?
[01:05] <sakrecoer[b]> i find a new one: RaySession
[01:06] <sakrecoer[b]> has no menu... what does it do? i can activate a menu and in it there is "help"
[01:06] <sakrecoer[b]> it's goal is to manage ardour carla, qtractor non-timeline in an unique session!
[01:06] <sakrecoer[b]> \o/ amazing!
[01:07] <sakrecoer[b]> isn't that what carla does?
[01:07] <sakrecoer[b]> and ardour? and qtractor?
[01:15] <sakrecoer[b]> just needed to get myself out here and sort of ask my stupid questions in the wild. It's mighty confusing and redundant. And it's none of the awesome US dev-teams fault. I'll get through it eventually.
[01:15] <sakrecoer[b]> Just wish i could pick my sounds like i pick my fonts.
[01:16] <sakrecoer[b]> ask my questions *and do some exclamations
[01:18] <sakrecoer[b]> recording, mixing and rendering audio is pretty much like doing it on any system.
[01:19] <sakrecoer[b]> generating audio on the other hand.... wow. I'm 12 years old again: no idea what i'm doing nor why
[01:42] <sakrecoer[b]> the conflict in my head is between grateful and ultimately frustrated!
[01:45] <sakrecoer[b]> by march i'll have a fudged up boombastic EP of `lnx trp` or i'll permantently move under my rock (with my hardware gear) and sleep on a shame pillow of multitracked audio for at least 2 years to come!
[01:47] <sakrecoer[b]> kryten: you logged this? good! <3
[01:49] <krytarik> You mean besides our trusted ubuntulog? :P  Yep, we do for your later perusal if needed!
[01:49] <sakrecoer[b]> excellent!
[01:53] <wonko> rgh: dude, that's really nice. Awesome job (the music)
[01:54] <wonko> I just re-read what you said. Nevermind. :-P
[01:55] <wonko> ReySession is super useful for managing all the crap you end up running
[10:17] <sakrecoer[b]> wonko yes! very useful indeed! it's all over the place without it.
[15:34] <rgh> 徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット: raysession is a jack session manager that is supposed to remember the connections between jack apps, all saved as a session.
[15:35] <rgh> There's also nsm (new session manager) which is the latest craze
[15:35] <rgh> I personally never use the modular approach.
[15:37] <rgh> For synth plugins, especially lv2, the host is supposed to let you switch between presets/programs.
[15:37] <rgh> There are ofc plenty of plugins that provide their own preset management.


[01:15] <elky> m4v, have you taken this mismanagement issue to the LoCo Council at all?
[01:29] <swoody> I was wondering if someone here may be able to help me out, or point me in the right direction? I'm looking into how to take ownership of an official "#ubuntu-*" channel, since the founder is no longer active
[01:39] <m4v> elky: no, I talked with erUSUL though, and he wants to talk to p3l|c4n0 once more. Since he's the active op of u-es I'll stick to what he wishes
[01:39] <m4v> elky: but what's this LoCo Council? I have been here for a while and I don't know much about it, is there's a spanish LoCo council its members surelly don't show up around much.
[01:40] <m4v> s/is there's/if there's/
[01:40] <elky> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil
[01:41] <elky> it is global.
[01:44] <m4v> ah, I have seen effie-jayz around, but never talked to. Well, I'll poke erUSUL and see what he thinks.
[02:02] <swoody> hey sorry about that nalioth :)
[02:02] <swoody> I got pointed to the founder of the channel in question, so I sent him a /msg
[02:03] <swoody> still waiting his response, though
[02:03] <nalioth> it would help a lot if you'd share the name of the channel
[02:03] <swoody> #ubuntu-folding
[02:04] <swoody> looking for gouki
[02:05] <nalioth> swoody: i'm not sure how being online now is considred "no longer active" (or am i missing something?)
[02:06] <swoody> no, I had asked around the couple people who have been active in the channel if they had seen him in there, but nobody has for a long time. I asked my question above a bit quick, since I found he's online.
[02:06] <swoody> like I said, I sent him a msg, and am waiting to hear back from him now
[02:07] <nalioth> what did you need, swoody ?
[02:08] <swoody> nalioth:  well I'd like to be able to have some of the people who frequent that channel, and use it actively to be able to gain ownership of it, so we can moderate it, and maintain it
[02:09] <nalioth> does it need moderation?
[02:09] <swoody> not at this current moment, but the folding team has been gaining momentum, and it would be nice for those of us who use it to be able to maintain it
[02:11] <nalioth> understood
[02:11] <swoody> nalioth:  ^^
[02:11] <swoody> oops, sorry about that :)
[02:11] <nalioth> there are 39 ops there now
[02:12] <swoody> in #ubuntu-folding?
[02:12] <nalioth> yes.
[02:13] <swoody> that must be a bit outdated. I've been in the for a couple months now, and Zelut even longer. And haven't seen any ops at all.
[02:13] <swoody> that's why I wanted to bring it up to date, and have ops that are active in the channel
[02:15] <nalioth> swoody: there are plenty of ops if you have trouble  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-folding list
[02:17] <swoody> nalioth:  it says Zelut is an op? I asked him, but he says he doesn't, and it doesn't show him as one in the channel?
[02:20] <nalioth> i guess you need to explain "op" to zelut
[02:21] <swoody> nalioth:  well, luckily he's afk as well. But I'll speak with him when he comes back.
[02:21] <swoody> but thanks for getting me pointed back in the right direction :)
[02:23] <swoody> btw, is PriceChild = Pricey?
[02:26] <m4v> swoody: I believe yes
[02:26] <swoody> ok, that's what I thought. Thanks m4v :)
[02:50] <atari2600a> hey
[02:50] <bazhang> hi
[02:50] <atari2600a> some months ago I was banned from  #Ubuntu for lashing out or something
[02:50] <atari2600a> I don't exactly remember
[02:50] <bazhang> join #ubuntu-ops
[02:50] <atari2600a> but I still feel like an asshat because o it
[02:50] <atari2600a> wait, I thought this was #ubuntu-ops...
[02:50] <atari2600a> weird
[15:17] <m4v> nalioth, Pricey: what a coincidence, mind if I ask you guys why you're lurking in #supremos as well?, do they cause trouble in other channels other than ubuntu's spanish ones?
[15:18] <nalioth> lurking?
[15:20] <m4v> eer, sorry, "being present without talking"
[15:21] <Nafallo> m4v: "idle" :-)
[15:21] <m4v> Nafallo: ah, gotcha
[15:23] <nalioth> well, as staff, i'm "idle" in lots of channels i don't actively participate in
[15:34] <m4v> yes, i understand. I believe yesterday's flooding in u-es came from one of its members so I went to idle there and see what, I was curious why there are some many staffers there.
[15:34] <nalioth> m4v: it should be obvious.
[15:34] <m4v> s/some/so/
[15:44] <m4v> well then, but if you keep an eye in Nehyx it will help me, he uses sockpuppet accounts for trolling and is a headache for me and erUSUL.
[15:45] <m4v> I can spot some of his accounts in #supremos's ban list, so I guess the does troll in #supremos as well.
[17:10] <m4v> I'm talking about it with stew, thanks nalioth :)
[17:30] <erUSUL> is there any way to block notices to a channel ?
[17:36] <niko> erUSUL: no but you can /umode +C yourself
[17:37] <erUSUL> niko: ok; thanks. that work to block notices to me but not a chanel...
[17:38] <nalioth> For tips and information on channel and user modes and management, see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml erUSUL
[17:39] <erUSUL> nalioth: i consulted there; stew clarified things thanks
[17:39] <erUSUL> nalioth: niko a banned user can not sen notices to the channel.. that was what i wanted to know how to stp someone flooding a channel with notices
[18:05] <niko> erUSUL: ok
[18:05] <niko> note sur i implement channel notice flood detection on ubot2
[18:05] <niko> uBOTu-fr:
[18:09] <niko> hum, 5 minutes and i do it
[18:11] <m4v> niko: no rush :)
[18:11] <niko> !reload FloodProtect
[18:12] <niko> m4v: just easy to do, no rush :)
[18:13] <erUSUL> niko: python master ;P
[18:13] <niko> lol
[18:14] <niko> i know nothing on python :)
[18:14] <erUSUL> niko: is not supybot coded in python ?
[18:15] <niko> it is, but i just have some hours of python skill
[20:18] <mdeslaur> Hi guys. Could I get a cloak, please?
[20:19] <mdeslaur> https://launchpad.net/~mdeslaur
[20:26] <erUSUL> !nicksetup
[20:27] <erUSUL> mdeslaur: ^^^
[20:27] <mdeslaur> erUSUL: uhm, yeah, I'm already registered
[20:28] <erUSUL> mdeslaur: email account and everything is ok ?
[20:28] <erUSUL> Pici: nalioth elky *ping* ^ ^
[20:29] <erUSUL> mdeslaur: just wait untill someone who can give you the cloak
[20:29] <mdeslaur> erUSUL: thanks
[20:29] <Pici> Pricey: do you have a moment for a member cloak?
[20:31] <Pricey> Pici: sure
[20:31] <Pricey> Pici: added to group etc. ?
[20:32] <Pici> Pricey: Indeed
[20:37] <Pricey> Pici: mdeslaur done
[20:38] <mdeslaur> thanks guys
[20:39] <mdeslaur> so I just need to log back in?
[20:39] <Pici> mdeslaur: Nope, its active now and whenever you identify to nickserv.
[20:39] <Pici> Your irc client may have cached your whois, but it shows up here: n=mdeslaur@ubunu/member/mdeslaur
[20:39] <Pici> er
[20:39] <Pici> Pricey: spelling error there^^
[20:40] <mdeslaur> cool, thanks
[20:42] <Pricey> Pici: intentional, was testing you
[20:42] <Pici> Pricey: I'm sure ;)


[11:07] <frib> hi, i'm looking for a simple, fast program to the coordinates of an image found within another image.  can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks!
[11:24] <sakrecoer> frib: i'm not sure i understand what you want to do+
[11:24] <sakrecoer> "fast program to the coordinates of an image found within another image"
[11:25] <frib> sakrecoer, to obtain* the coordinates, sorry
[11:25] <sakrecoer> frib: as in, on the X and Y axis of the picture?
[11:26] <sakrecoer> the "picture" being the image containing the other image
[11:26] <frib> sakrecoer, yes, x,y coordinates of an image found within a larger image that contains it
[11:27] <sakrecoer> frib: i don't know of any that can do that automagically...
[11:28] <frib> seems such a commonplace task
[11:28] <frib> so i have to write my own?
[11:28] <sakrecoer> but gimp will tell you the X;Y coordinate of a cursor
[11:28] <sakrecoer> its the number on the lower left side of the frame
[11:29] <frib> no i need a cli tool
[11:30] <sakrecoer> oh... but then, you first need a program that detects the image within the image...
[11:31] <sakrecoer> frib: maybe this will help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7853628/how-do-i-find-an-image-contained-within-an-image
[11:31] <frib> sakrecoer, ya i foudn that
[11:31] <frib> opencv 2 is a huge monster program
[11:31] <frib> i'm just gona write my own thanks
[11:32] <sakrecoer> frib: imagemagick? http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?t=24151
[11:32] <frib> i tried it
[11:32] <frib> its really slow and doesnt output coordinatew
[11:32] <sakrecoer> frib: if you write your own, please share :)
[11:33] <frib> ok
[11:33] <frib> do you know anything about these algorithms?
[11:33] <sakrecoer> frib: no, i'm affraid i don't
[11:36] <sakrecoer> JLye: i think you remember kid3 becuase that is the program where the script to render to website is used :)
[11:37] <JLye> are you saying its preinstalled ?
[11:37] <sakrecoer> the script isn't but kid3 is shipped with ubuntustudio
[11:38] <sakrecoer> well, kid3 has a built in script to generate a html album page, but its very basic
[11:39] <sakrecoer> JLye: as for templates, kid3 kindof IS a template when you open it. I generaly add a "license" and a "lyric" field.
[11:39] <sakrecoer> JLye: but because most audio player do not display those tags by default, i also add a link to the license in the "comment" field
[11:40] <sakrecoer> btw, make sure the company you registered your music with allow you to use Creative commons ;)
[11:40] <JLye> I've only been adding a link to my blog in the comment.
[11:40] <JLye> Soundcloud allows that
[11:40] <JLye> I didn't think to make a link to a license page.
[11:40] <JLye> It's downloadable, though
[11:41] <sakrecoer> oh... you were just reffering to the meta data soudncloud asks you to put in?
[11:41] <JLye> No, I was asking in totality
[11:42] <JLye> I didn't know Soundcloud asked for metadata directly until I uploaded them last night. I'm very inactive on soundcloud
[11:42] <sakrecoer> ok :) well, if it is downloadable on soundcloud, since soundcloud shipps an exact copy of the file you uploaded, it is a bit important to have the meta data set alright
[11:43] <JLye> the only issue I'm assuming is that I didn't link it to a license page, but it has options for a type of CC
[11:43] <JLye> I chose use as you want
[11:43] <JLye> as long as it gives credit to me
[11:43] <sakrecoer> o also, tend to edit the filename as: "trakNR-trackTitle-AlbumTitle-Artistname-Year.flac"
[11:44] <sakrecoer> (well, i generaly put the year first... but i guess its a matter of preferences)
[11:45] <sakrecoer> i like to know what the audio file is before i load it in a player. and since my audiolibrary manager is the file-manager, it makes sense to me.
[11:45] <JLye> fair
[11:46] <JLye> Now, I want to create a video to upload it to Youtube :)
[11:48] <sakrecoer> JLye: :) nice!
[11:48] <sakrecoer> did i share the video i did for pinGNU with you?
[11:48] <JLye> slowly but surely
[11:49] <JLye> . . . no !
[11:49] <JLye> Share
[11:49] <cfhowlett> pinGNU?
[11:49] <JLye> video
[11:49] <JLye> now
[11:49] <sakrecoer> it's not a cinematographic master piece, but it was fun to do :)
[11:49] <sakrecoer> https://archive.org/details/BPIST-V007
[11:49] <sakrecoer> blender and ffmpeg
[11:49] <JLye> More PinGNU on a GNU
[11:49] <sakrecoer> hi cfhowlett ! :)
[11:49] <cfhowlett> konichiwa
[11:50] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: genki?
[11:50] <cfhowlett> a bit
[11:50] <sakrecoer> tomodachi :P
[11:51] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer, did you see ttoine's article on opensource.com?  he cc'd it, and I believe it should be placed somewhere on the US site.  just a suggestion.
[11:52] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: i saw it yes :) very nice...
[11:53] <sakrecoer> the question is where on the website?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> ... US History?  Blast from the Past?
[11:54] <cfhowlett> or "Why I create with Ubuntu (Studio)"  let's not forget: 10 year anniversary in 2017?
[11:54] <JLye> How you get Linux CLI on a phone ? And wtf is that  "Very B#$@%" drink you had ?
[11:54] <sakrecoer> JLye: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
[11:55] <sakrecoer> JLye: https://www.byggahus.se/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=86254&d=1371490718
[11:55] <JLye> oooooooo
[11:55] <sakrecoer> taste lÃike banana :D
[11:55] <JLye> . . . fascinating - in my Peanut from Jeff Dunham voice
[11:56] <sakrecoer> cfhowlett: i like that :D
[11:56] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer, we should do *something* for year 10 ...
[11:57] <sakrecoer> defenitly! :)
[11:58] <sakrecoer> JLye: the phone, i wouldn't recommend it to my mother or any non-geek-ish person... it's got quite a way to go still... but otherwise its quite fun :)
[11:59] <sakrecoer> basic stuff is there and battery life is good...
[11:59] <JLye> I'd rather get a PocketCHIP
[11:59] <JLye> only $50
[12:00] <sakrecoer> JLye: my dream phone would be https://www.fairphone.com/
[12:00] <sakrecoer> but kindof expensive..
[12:00] <sakrecoer> JLye: (@o@) pocketCHIP <3
[12:02] <JLye> fairphone looks like another lego phone
[12:04] <sakrecoer> JLye: what is interesting about fiarphone is the bizniz model ;)
[12:04] <sakrecoer> its lego so you can fix it easy
[12:05] <JLye> there's 2 other companies doing that now
[12:05]  * JLye looks around
[12:05] <JLye> Gym is calling !
[12:06]  * JLye leaves for gym, for gym is thy life :>
[12:06] <sakrecoer> o/
[14:16] <frib> sakrecoer, i found this https://github.com/johnoneil/subimage
[14:17] <frib> but i can't find the command line tools
[14:17] <frib> after installing with pip
[14:29] <sakrecoer> frib, maybe you need to put it in your path, or dtart it fr its directory?
[14:29] <sakrecoer> thanks for sharing anyway:)
[14:30] <frib> sakrecoer, i think it's in ~/.local/bin, which is not in my path
[14:30] <frib> yw
[14:37] <frib> any idea how to resolve this? Could not import cv2. Please install current version of opencv and python binding.
[18:36] <morgdum> I just installed ubuntu and I can't get sound to work! The subwoofer is completely greyed out in the sound settings and set to the lowest setting. The codec is Realtek alc887vd. What I've tried so far: http://askubuntu.com/questions/501989/ubuntu-14-04-asus-g550jk-sonicmaster-external-subwoofer-not-wo... and http://askubuntu.com/questions/53802/sub
[18:36] <morgdum> woofer-sound-preferences-problem . Haven't found anything useful on google at all. This issue was not present on windows, but was also present on my previous Arch install. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04, was sent here by the guys at #ubuntu
[19:52] <studio-user252> Does anybody knows why there is no booting Supercollider IDE? Xenial 16.04
[22:04] <studio-user419> non mi riconosce un dispositivo bluetooth come posso far
[23:38] <studio-user236> hello


[23:19] <HighHo> Sorry if this is the wrong place, where can I obtain logos and graphics for ubuntu?


[05:17] <ginggs> would someone please RM old htseq binaries on armhf, i386 and s390x? it B-D on python-pysam which is not avaiable on those
[05:35] <doko> ginggs: hmm, they are not available?
[06:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-report (bionic-proposed/main) [1.1.0 => 1.2.0~bionic] (no packageset)
[06:16] <ginggs> doko: so what blocks htseq then? according to update_excuses it is missing build on armhf, i386 and s390x
[06:26] <doko> ginggs: update_excuses only tells you about a missing build, not about the status of earlier uploads
[06:27] <doko> ahh, the -doc package ...
[06:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected qemu-ovmf-secureboot [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.1.2-0ubuntu1]
[06:29] <doko> done
[06:29] <ginggs> doko:  thanks!
[06:32] <cpaelzer> where was that from?
[06:32] <cpaelzer> dannf was that you ^^?
[06:34] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: could you have a look at the python-mechanicalsoup autopkg tests? failing both in Debian and Ubuntu
[06:47] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, will try
[06:49] <LocutusOfBorg> can any AA please move linuxbrew-wrapper to multiverse?
[06:49] <LocutusOfBorg> aaand why didn't it end up in new queue like it did to Debian?
[06:49] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, "Move to contrib section. (Closes: #888957)"
[06:52] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, aren't move to contrib important for us? I'm worried about how many undetected move we missed...
[06:52] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: might be as simple as mechanicalsoup.LinkNotFoundError -> mechanicalsoup.utils.LinkNotFoundError
[06:54] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, thanks! I'm already setting up the cosmic VM
[07:16] <ginggs> doko: btw, liggghts still shows up as a regression on armhf here https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#liggghts even though i think you removed the armhf binary, i'm not sure how to clear that
[07:30] <doko> ginggs: will it ftbfs when we rebuild? there is no other way to get rid off this record
[07:30] <doko> well, you could hint it
[07:32] <sil2100> Let me hint it in
[07:33] <ginggs> sil2100: thanks, and please  'force-badtest pyfai/0.15.0+dfsg1-1/amd64' ?  It passed once by accident on 2018-06-01  http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pyfai/cosmic/amd64
[07:34] <sil2100> ginggs: ACK
[07:34] <doko> ginggs: but this will show up again with the next version
[07:34] <ginggs> sil2100: I have some R hints that need their versions bumped too
[07:35] <doko> cpaelzer: could you (or server team) have a look at the failing autopkg tests triggered by postgresql-10 ?
[07:37] <sil2100> ginggs, doko: liggghts and pyfai have been badtested
[07:38] <sil2100> ginggs: which packages you need bumped?
[07:45] <ginggs> sil2100: looking...
 doko:  r-cran-rmarkdown/armhf and /s390x is due to missing haskell/pandoc
 doko:  r-cran-yaml/i386 is a regression due to new r-cran-yaml, r-cran-memoise is a alignment regression due to new r-cran-memoise - none are caused by the new r-base
[07:48] <ginggs> sil200: in hints-ubuntu - force-badtest r-bioc-annotationhub/2.10.1-1 r-bioc-annotationhub/2.12.0-2 r-bioc-annotationhub/2.12.0+dfsg-1
[07:49] <ginggs> sil2100: force-badtest r-bioc-biocparallel/1.14.1-1build1/s390x r-bioc-biocparallel/1.14.1-1build1/armhf
[07:51] <cpaelzer> doko: I was looking at PG-10 related tests already
[07:51] <cpaelzer> doko: one bug fixed, one block resolved by retries (flaky perl soemthing package) and two need a update for new versions in force-badtest
[07:51] <cpaelzer> the latter is in the review queue to infinity
[07:51] <ginggs> sil2100: i meant the above in hints-ubuntu/adconrad
[07:51] <cpaelzer> as his britney files had the old pglogical
[07:52] <doko> removed all old binaries in proposed, two weeks old ...
[07:53] <cpaelzer> doko: only libpqtypes is new to me, that was not there 3 days ago
[07:54] <cpaelzer> taking a look at that
[07:54] <doko> ginggs: htseq migrated
[07:54] <cpaelzer> doko: if you want to ack & push the britney hints please feel free https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-postgres-related-cosmic/+merge/348197 - otherwise I have to wait for infinity to get to it
[07:55] <ginggs> sil2100: and in hints-ubuntu/stefanor - force-badtest python-xarray/0.10.2-1/i386 python-xarray/0.10.7-1/i386
[07:55] <cpaelzer> will look at the new libpqtypes fail later today
[07:55] <ginggs> sil2100: and - force-badtest python-xarray/0.10.2-1/arm64 python-xarray/0.10.7-1/arm64
[07:56] <ginggs> sil2100: thanks in advance!
[07:59] <ginggs> doko: \o/ at least something could migrate!
[07:59] <sil2100> ginggs: I'll poke those in a moment
[08:00] <sil2100> yw!
[08:02] <doko> ginggs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>where does the gomp dependency come from? can't find it in mayavi2
[08:03] <doko> vtk6?
[08:03] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, linuxbrew-wrapper> looking
[08:06] <ginggs> doko: ENOCLUE- i wonder if building sfepy wth -O2 on ppc64el will help
[08:11] <sil2100> ginggs: ok, bumped
[08:12] <doko> sil2100: please could you update vorlon:force-badtest python-asdf/1.3.3-1/s390x to 2.0.1-1
[08:19] <cpaelzer> doko: the linpqtypes issues are resolved now
[08:19] <cpaelzer> doko: leaving only the mentioned MP to infinity open for pglogical to finally unblock it
[08:19] <cpaelzer> if you are allowed to do so, please ack and merge it
[08:20] <ginggs> sil2100: thanks, there's a typo in stefanor: force-badtest python-xarray/0.10.2-1/i386 python-xarray/0.10.2-1/i386  - the 2nd version should be  0.10.7-1
[08:29] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: I'm sure we should have something to track that, yes.  The NEW queue is probably the wrong tool - it ends up there basically for circumstantial reasons in Debian (there's no way to do a component move AIUI, you have to remove and reupload)
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg> yes cjwatson, it would be nice to do an archive sanity check for such mismatches
[08:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I remember having to bother for virtualbox-ext-pack, I limit the bothering to packages I moved, I don't check what other people do...
[08:34] <LocutusOfBorg> IANAL and I hate such things
[08:44] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: hmm, the mechanicalsoup fix was wrong
[08:47] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, yes, I'm debugging it right now
[08:47] <LocutusOfBorg> upstream has a commit too
[08:49] <sil2100> ginggs: whoops!
[08:52] <sil2100> doko: done
[08:52] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks apw
[09:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdm3 [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.2-0ubuntu1.3]
[09:07] <ginggs> sil2100: did you see the r-cran-rmarkdown etc, hints doko quoted me on above?
[09:08] <ginggs> sil2100: force-badtest r-cran-rmarkdown/1.10+dfsg-1/armhf  r-cran-rmarkdown/1.10+dfsg-1/s390x
[09:09] <ginggs> sil2100: force-badtest r-cran-yaml/2.1.19-1ubuntu1/i386
[09:09] <ginggs> sil2100: force-badtest r-cran-memoise/1.1.0-2/armhf
[09:10] <ginggs> and I think r-base will be ready to migrate after that!
[09:15] <sil2100> I think I missed those, but I just took a look at those and will be pushing hints
[09:15] <sil2100> Since they seem to be valid badtests
[09:17] <sil2100> ginggs: should be done
[09:17] <ginggs> sil2100: thanks again!
[09:17] <sil2100> yw!
[09:17]  * sil2100 goes back to his SRUs
[09:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox [source] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.10-dfsg-6ubuntu18.04.1]
[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected snapd-glib [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.40-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zlib [source] (trusty-proposed) [1:1.2.8.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1]
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nbd [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:3.16.2-1ubuntu0.1]
[11:04] <doko> ginggs: it's entangled with python-numpy
[11:04] <doko> and  r-bioc-delayedarray/0.6.0+dfsg-1: armhf
[11:07] <ginggs> doko: r-bioc-delayedarray/0.6.1+dfsg-1 passes
[11:07] <ginggs> doko: but yeah, numpy :( sandro should have uploaded to experimental and given rdeps a chance to catch up
[11:12] <doko> ginggs: we could "resolve" this dependency by removing r-cran-fastcluster and r-bioc-cummerbund from the release pocket
[11:13] <ginggs> doko: no objections
[11:14] <doko> did you give back the r-bioc-delayedarray tests?
[11:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-class-loader [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[11:15] <ginggs> doko: locutus did retry-autopkgtest-regressions a little while ago, looks all green to me
[11:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-class-loader [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[11:16] <doko> ahh, didn't reload
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-class-loader [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-class-loader [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-class-loader [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-class-loader [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[11:26] <apw> ginggs, looks like there are still two laggers for r-base to migrate
[11:26] <doko> apw: which ones?
[11:27] <apw> r-cran-metamix, r-cran-rmpi
[11:28] <apw> though the first of those is new, so i don't see how that is uninstallable
[11:30] <doko> rmpi is entabled with openmpi :-/
[11:30] <apw> bugger
[11:30] <doko> and openmpi with python-numpy
[11:31] <doko> ok, removing rmpi as well from the release pocket. leaf package as well
[13:23] <apw> doko, something's testing regressed for r-base (r-other-mott-happy) pulling it back from Valid candiate
[13:24] <doko> ginggs: ^^^
[13:26] <apw> ginggs, if i am reading this log right, this packages doesn't depend on R but uses it
[13:31] <doko> and more autopkg test regressions
[13:49] <ginggs> looks like r-other-mott-happy passed its tests for the first time ever, so makes previous 'always failed' results invalid
[14:05] <apw> ginggs, and yet, from the log that looks to be completely impossible
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux (xenial-updates/main) [4.4.0-130.156 => 4.4.0-130.156] (core, kernel) (sync)
[14:09] <ginggs> apw: it seems it was 'always-failed' because it didn't have any tests, now Testsuite: autopkgtest-pkg-r in debian/control has kicked in
[14:09] <ginggs> https://ci.debian.net/packages/r/r-other-mott-happy/unstable/amd64/
[14:09] <apw> trying to work out how it ever passed
[14:11] <ginggs> apw it didn't http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r-other-mott-happy/bionic/amd64
[14:12] <apw> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r-other-mott-happy/cosmic/amd64
[14:12] <apw> ginggs, ^ yes it idid
[14:13] <ginggs> it did now - but didn't ever work in the past
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected linux [sync] (xenial-updates) [4.4.0-130.156]
[14:19] <apw> ginggs, they do look to be a noop of a test though
[14:20] <apw> ginggs, though does that not also say that LocutusOfBorg got it to run since
[14:21] <apw> so that is confusing ...
[14:23] <ginggs> apw: 2.4-2 always fails - 2.4-3 passes - look carefully in the logs of the 11:47, 11:51 and 11:52 tests
[14:24] <ginggs> Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu cosmic/universe amd64 r-other-mott-happy.hbrem amd64 2.4-2 [137 kB]
[14:25] <ginggs> whereas the passing test has Get:44 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu cosmic-proposed/universe amd64 r-other-mott-happy.hbrem amd64 2.4-3 [214 kB]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: broadcom-sta (xenial-proposed/multiverse) [<IP_ADDRESS>1-3~16.04.2 => <IP_ADDRESS>1-3~16.04.3] (no packageset)
[14:27] <ginggs> it often happens that the test suite runs against a different version of the package
[14:27] <apw><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:27] <apw> doesn't that log say -3 though, and is a fial ?
[14:29] <ginggs> Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu cosmic-proposed/universe r-other-mott-happy 2.4-3 (dsc) [2161 B]
[14:29] <ginggs> Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu cosmic/universe amd64 r-other-mott-happy.hbrem amd64 2.4-2 [137 kB]
[14:29] <apw> oh that is utterly useless
[14:32] <apw> ginggs, so for that one we might well want to test it against itself again, then it will test -3 right ?
[14:32] <apw> ginggs, and r-base at the same time, ugg
[14:34] <ginggs> apw the trigger is r-other-mott-happy/2.4-3 it should pull in r-base/3.5.0-5 because R packages at least have a dependency on it
[14:34] <ginggs> ^ if the trigger is...
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dm-writeboost (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.2.6-1~16.04.2 => 2.2.6-1~16.04.3] (no packageset)
[15:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bcmwl (xenial-proposed/restricted) [<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu1~1.2 => <IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu1~1.3] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[15:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.33 => 2.33.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (artful-proposed/main) [2.33+17.10 => 2.33.1+17.10] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.33+18.04 => 2.33.1+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[15:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (trusty-proposed/universe) [2.33~14.04 => 2.33.1~14.04] (no packageset)
[15:54] <dannf> cpaelzer:  qemu-ovmf-secureboot ? no idea what that is
[16:02] <ginggs>     * amd64: r-cran-metamix, r-cran-rmpi - why are these still a problem?
[16:08] <kenvandine> can someone please reject flatpak from the bionic-proposed queue?
[16:09] <apw> kenvandine, can do, why so
[16:09] <kenvandine> we are going to skip straight to 1.0
[16:10] <kenvandine> they are preparing a 1.0 release now
[16:10] <apw> ack
[16:10] <kenvandine> apw, thx!
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected flatpak [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.1]
[16:13] <apw> kenvandine, ^
[16:13] <kenvandine> apw, thanks!
[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.33.1+18.04]
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (artful-proposed) [2.33.1+17.10]
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.33.1]
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (trusty-proposed) [2.33.1~14.04]
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg>     * amd64: r-cran-metamix, r-cran-rmpi
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg>     * arm64: r-cran-metamix, r-cran-rmpi
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> why are them still blocking britney and r-base to migrate?
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, apw ^^^ pleeeeeeeease
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> new run is ongoing...
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> (I mean auto-sync run)
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> they are moved in proposed
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe a no.change rebuild might fix?
[16:45] <teward> they don't depend on perl at all do they?  i only ask since the perl migration is holding up several of the things I've pushed into the repos too :P
[16:52] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: they should not block. removed from the release pocket
[16:53] <teward> just to check in, what is the current status of the perl migration?  is it still 'in progress'?  (the system keeps yelling about nginx being stuck in proposed for > 30 days to me, and I'm curious what the progress is, if any)
[16:53] <doko> teward: if nobody is working on it, I would hardly call it as "in progress"
[16:54] <teward> doko: well I can't tell is the thing
[16:54] <teward> for all intents and purposes it *should* have migrated if autopkgtests are the only thing holding it back
[16:55] <teward> but since update excuses still shows it as 'valid candidate' for perl and nginx, and nginx is held because Perl hasn't migrated yet, it tends to make me head-scratch as to "What the heck is going on"
[16:56] <teward> and the latest Perl has been in the proposed for 11 days, and still says "Valid Candidate"
[16:56] <teward> so, again, I ask if there's some ongoing migration that's not listed somewhere that's preventing it from automatically migrating.  last time about a month ago there was, but i haven't heard anything since
[16:56] <teward> except for the archive system complaining about nginx being stuck in proposed for 30+ days
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-class-loader [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-2]
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-class-loader [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-2]
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-class-loader [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-2]
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-class-loader [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-2]
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-class-loader [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-2]
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-class-loader [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-2]
[16:59] <doko> it has been there for much longer
[17:00] <teward> yes, it has.  at least a month or more, because NGINX is blocked by it
[17:01] <teward> which brings me back to my original question: "What's up with Perl?"
[17:01] <teward> if the answer is "Nobody Knows" then my next question is "Who should I be prodding next to ask?"
[17:19] <cjwatson> I just added a gdal 2.3.0 transition tracker, since that seems at least implicated.  Should show up in a bit
[17:51] <cpaelzer> dannf: I found who did it, it was cyphermox
[18:20] <cyphermox> dannf: I'm trying to set something up so that we can ship firmware with preloaded Microsoft certs for people to use Secure Boot from the start
[19:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem [amd64] (xenial-proposed/universe) [4.13.0-1031.35] (kernel)
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.13.0-1031.35]
[19:19] <apw> cjwatson, and i think that gdal transition tracker says that the last thing is broken because pandoc is broken
[19:20] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I know what britney says but britney says also otherwise     * arm64: r-cran-metamix, r-cran-pbivnorm, r-cran-rmpi
[19:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dovecot [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu4.1]
[19:29] <doko> cjwatson: this is just osmcoastline, which is blocked on pandoc
[19:30] <apw> which is blocked because haskell is deeply unhappy for armhf
[19:31] <apw> haskell-cryptonite seems to have test-suite failures
[19:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I might think wrt disabling testsuite on armhf for aes, and see how much it progresses
[19:34] <LocutusOfBorg> this is a problem in Debian too BTW
[19:34] <LocutusOfBorg> other things are mostly clear
[19:35] <LocutusOfBorg> (pandoc is still a big problem btw)
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd-glib [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.41-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[19:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted networkd-dispatcher [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.7-0ubuntu3.2]
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unattended-upgrades [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:05] <doko> the s390x issue is a different one, a big-endian problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897001
[20:16] <bdmurray> apw: Could you look at bug 1777646 for me? I'm confused as the description mentions 4.13 but the debdiff is for 4.14.
[20:20] <apw> bdmurray, ok so the fix is to make bcwml support v4.14 and v4.15 kernels; the testing is against 4.4, 4.13, and 4.15 whihc are the various kernels that were avilable at the time, and all of which it must work with
[20:21] <apw> bdmurray, this is part of preparing for linux-hwe to move to v4.15 for the point release
[20:22] <bdmurray> apw: but there is not fix for 4.13 afaict
[20:22] <bdmurray> s/not/no/
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected unattended-upgrades [source] (artful-proposed) [1.2ubuntu1~17.10.0]
[20:45] <apw> bdmurray, right, it should already work for v4.13, just testing there to confirm it is not regressed
[20:50] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: looking at update_output, I don't see this line anymore. but the list of uninstallable packages includes a lot of openmpi related things.
[21:07] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, there is an hint with just
[21:07] <LocutusOfBorg>     * amd64: r-cran-metamix, r-cran-rmpi
[21:07] <LocutusOfBorg> left
[21:44] <ginggs> doko, LocutusOfBorg: i think r-base migrated
[21:47] <slangasek> tada
[21:48] <ginggs> what was blocking it?
[21:48] <slangasek> ginggs: the autohinter was being too greedy and including some packages that were instantly uninstallable
[21:50] <ginggs> slangasek: ah ok, thanks! so did you have to manually hint it?
[21:50] <slangasek> ginggs: yep
[22:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3-defaults (bionic-proposed/main) [3.6.5-3 => 3.6.5-3ubuntu1] (core)
[23:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3-defaults (artful-proposed/main) [3.6.3-0ubuntu2 => 3.6.3-0ubuntu3] (core)
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sfcgal [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sfcgal [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sfcgal [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.5-2] (no packageset)


[00:01] <jrwren> hazmat: i actually pitched removal of a number of packages recently :)
[00:01] <hazmat> jrwren, i'm primarily looking at lxc instances (including in cloud-instances), and minimizing seconds on container boot time, its easy to avoid via some container customizerization
[00:01] <hazmat> jrwren, fair enough
[00:01] <hazmat> its easy to do externally
[00:02] <jrwren> hazmat: do you then git clone something to teh new instance?
[00:03] <hazmat> jrwren, git is used internally by juju when deploying charms, but fair enough i'm snapshotting against a base image for the containers, easy enough to add there, out of curiosity what packages were you pitching to remove?
[00:03] <jrwren> oh, a juju thing.
[00:03] <jrwren> would make sense to have a jujuimg separate from cloudimg IMO
[00:04] <hazmat> jrwren, basically i'm creating a base juju image from each series/release cloud image, i can add the extra package there just as easily
[00:05] <hazmat> although it would be nice if lxc-attach would work with precise and hwe kernels.. ssh normalizes nicely across the containers.
[00:09] <hazmat> by base juju image i mean container with  btrfs snapshot for lxc-clone. the default cloud images have nothing in specific support of juju btw.
[00:19] <jrwren> right. i know the cloudimg pretty well.
[00:20] <jrwren> everything else you just said, i've no idea what you are talking about :)
[00:58] <mushtar> is this the right channel for discussing CloudInit, i.e. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit ?
[01:00] <lifeless> it's a fine channel
[01:00] <lifeless> for that and many other things
[01:00] <mushtar> oh good
[01:01] <mushtar> is it possible to get cloud-init to run on my mac?
[01:02] <mushtar> i want to be able to use write-mime-multipart
[01:27] <mushtar> figured it out. bzr branch lp:cloud-init
[03:38] <kirkland> jamespage: uh oh, what happened?
[04:23] <MarGul> Hi I have just unstalled ubuntu server 12.04 and I have changed ip address to static (been pinging it from my laptop and I know its connected to my network). Then I installed nginx running the command aptitude install nginx. The version of nginx is 1.5.6. When I then, on my laptop, type in my servers ip address in my webbrowser I get nothing.
[04:23] <MarGul> Im following the manual http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/how-to-set-up-a-safe-and-secure-web-server/2/
[05:11] <crimsonmane> i need to re-do my certs ... i just ran through the steps i used the first time but it failed to change the cert as evidenced by the old data being present and not the new data. i used a different email address to make them stand out.
[05:30] <anepanaliptos> hello..
[05:30] <anepanaliptos> dont tell me !ask, i know. just being kind.
[05:30] <anepanaliptos> ok guys.. so this is what i want to do. I dont really understand lvms and the like, but i know what i want..
[05:31] <anepanaliptos> my old machine was a simple 1 disk setup, and while installing ubuntu i chose the guided partitoning and chose luks + lvm
[05:31] <anepanaliptos> i want to do the same again, except this time, with two disks. and i want the "2nd disk" to be in teh LVM so i only have to type the key once.
[05:32] <jkitchen> but not raid?
[05:32] <anepanaliptos> lvm though seems to create one giant partion, like dynamic disks. i dont want that. i want one "partition" on the 1st disk, and the "other/storage" on the other
[05:32] <anepanaliptos> correct. but no raid.
[05:32] <jkitchen> they're separate PVs then
[05:32] <jkitchen> no way around that
[05:33] <anepanaliptos> um
[05:33] <anepanaliptos> is there a way the "storage" disk can mount into the first group?
[05:33] <jkitchen> you can mount things wherever you want
[05:34] <anepanaliptos> (im at the guided screen if you wanna teamviewer and push the buttons, but i have a feeling you know what i want to do..)
[05:34] <anepanaliptos> i dont mind how the "mounting process" happens, as long as.. see the reason why i want them seperate is so that i could possibly transport the second disk and mount it on another computer someplace.
[05:35] <patdk-lap> anepanaliptos, why do that at all?
[05:35] <patdk-lap> why *type the key* multible times?
[05:35] <anepanaliptos> i dont want to.
[05:35] <patdk-lap> then don't
[05:35] <anepanaliptos> so how would i set it up so i dont have to?
[05:36] <patdk-lap> there are many ways
[05:36] <patdk-lap> I personally use a script to fetch the key
[05:37] <patdk-lap> the script asks for the password to decrypt
[05:37] <patdk-lap> it then uses that password to get the key
[05:37] <patdk-lap> I store the keys in a gpg archive
[05:37] <anepanaliptos> woah too complicated
[05:37] <patdk-lap> :)
[05:37] <patdk-lap> you could go lazy
[05:37] <patdk-lap> just save the key onto your first disk
[05:37] <anepanaliptos> ok what's that route look like?
[05:37] <anepanaliptos> aa ok.
[05:37] <patdk-lap> and reference that file to unlock the second
[05:38] <patdk-lap> if first is locked, can't unlock the second
[05:38] <anepanaliptos> ok. can that be done "near boot time" ?
[05:38] <patdk-lap> near boot time?
[05:38] <patdk-lap> what does that mean?
[05:38] <anepanaliptos> that sounds better.
[05:38] <anepanaliptos> before for example, apache2 starts up
[05:38] <patdk-lap> no idea
[05:38] <patdk-lap> it happens when disks mount
[05:38] <patdk-lap> that is upto upstart
[05:38] <anepanaliptos> perfect.
[05:39] <patdk-lap> issues is, anyone that roots your server, has access to the decrypt key
[05:39] <patdk-lap> so using a script, while much harder, is safer, by alittle bit
[05:39] <anepanaliptos> hmm.
[05:39] <anepanaliptos> hmmm.
[05:40] <anepanaliptos> i think ill just type it twice.
[05:40] <patdk-lap> what exactly are you protecting against?
[05:40] <anepanaliptos> how do i setup luks without the volgroup stuff then?
[05:40] <anepanaliptos> im trying to protect againt physical theft
[05:41] <patdk-lap> then it doesn't matter
[05:41] <anepanaliptos> so when you yank the power, you're done and you need the key again.
[05:41] <patdk-lap> well, those are totally different
[05:41] <lifeless> anepanaliptos: oh, so if people are serious about stealing kit they won't yank the power
[05:41] <anepanaliptos> lifeless: lol.
[05:41] <patdk-lap> the best way to steal it, is to root it and copy the data while it's up
[05:42] <jkitchen> and nobody even knows
[05:42] <patdk-lap> the system is much less protected when it's running
[05:42] <lifeless> anepanaliptos: there are stock products that replace the power supply hot
[05:42] <anepanaliptos> yeah im just talking about like a dumb theif stealing equipment.
[05:42] <anepanaliptos> look, its my mailserver
[05:42] <patdk-lap> then saving your key for the other disks in /etc, is safe enough
[05:43] <anepanaliptos> im trying to "protect" against some "not nice people" accessing.. my mail. if it were to get siezed.
[05:43] <patdk-lap> cause it's unlikely they logged in, and rooted your server to get those keys first
[05:43] <anepanaliptos> that kind of thing.
[05:43] <patdk-lap> siezed?
[05:43] <anepanaliptos> but im happy with this solution too
[05:43] <anepanaliptos> 23:42 < patdk-lap> then saving your key for the other disks in /etc, is safe enough
[05:43] <patdk-lap> that implies people know what they are doing
[05:43] <anepanaliptos> not really. local authoraties arent that smart.
[05:44] <jkitchen> thermite trap
[05:44] <jkitchen> problem solved
[05:44] <patdk-lap> jkitchen, what triggers it?
[05:44] <patdk-lap> not solved :)
[05:44] <anepanaliptos> again, too technical.
[05:45] <anepanaliptos> how do you guys protect your mail servers?
[05:45] <jkitchen> patdk-lap: "oh shit" button
[05:45] <jkitchen> :)
[05:45] <jkitchen> tie it to your iphone "siri, nuke the drives please"
[05:45] <anepanaliptos> when i had the first one, with only a physical raid, i felt "safe" with luks
[05:45] <patdk-lap> personally, I have to insert a special usb stick
[05:45] <patdk-lap> and type in a password
[05:46] <anepanaliptos> ok. any things i can "rtfm" to help me setup something similar?
[05:46] <patdk-lap> but, for email
[05:46] <patdk-lap> it is much much more likely they tapped your internet connection
[05:47] <anepanaliptos> eeh. still pointless. ssl.
[05:47] <patdk-lap> what ssl?
[05:47] <patdk-lap> smtp doesn't use ssl
[05:47] <anepanaliptos> i use webmail.
[05:47] <patdk-lap> so your email is safe until you send/receive
[05:47] <anepanaliptos> yeah. i understand those rules.
[05:48] <patdk-lap> till everyone starts doing dane/tlsa, I don't really get the whole encrypted email thing
[05:49] <patdk-lap> if you secured your email, like with s/mime, or pgp
[05:49] <patdk-lap> there would be no need for encryption
[05:49] <patdk-lap> the only thing your somewhat protecting is your email history, from *before* they tapped your connection
[05:49] <anepanaliptos> ohkay.
[05:50] <anepanaliptos> so single disk it is that mounts the others via key.
[05:50] <patdk-lap> well, the simple way is, use your password to unlock your root disk
[05:50] <patdk-lap> then save the keys on your root disk, maybe like /etc/disk.keys/....
[05:50] <patdk-lap> and use those files to unlock the other disks
[05:51] <patdk-lap> someone would have to copy those files first, to unlock the other disks
[05:51] <patdk-lap> or have the password to unlock the first disk
[05:51] <patdk-lap> that is the simple way
[05:51] <patdk-lap> any other way, gets into messing with initramfs, and that isn't much fun
[05:52] <anepanaliptos> yeah. i think that way is best.
[05:53] <patdk-lap> s/best/acceptable/
[05:53] <anepanaliptos> and as far as the whole email thing, there is MX tls
[05:53] <anepanaliptos> 23:53 < patdk-lap> s/best/acceptable/
[05:53] <anepanaliptos> ^^ agreed.
[05:53] <patdk-lap> smtp mx tls is mitm
[05:54] <patdk-lap> it is full of selfsigned, unsigned, broken, expired, certs
[05:54] <anepanaliptos> correct. but for "the people who care" that i exange email with, we have exchanged keys.
[05:54] <patdk-lap> so you can't enable hard verification
[05:54]  * patdk-lap just has lots of ipsec tunnels
[05:56] <anepanaliptos> yeah i dont know if i trust creating an ipsec tunnel with someone.
[06:18] <_root_> for IP Aliasing: both Ip should have the same MAC address?
[06:20] <jkitchen> you don't need to specify the mac
[06:20] <jkitchen> unless you're talking about something different than I'm thinking of :)
[08:35] <_root_> I have to add my first IP to my VPS this way http://paste.ubuntu.com/6497998/ and because of that I cant get the eth0:0 to IP alias. could you give me a clue as to what should I do to get eth0:0 working
[09:27] <blueking> samba seem to be tricky to manage get installed   there are some issues several places
[09:31] <blueking> are there samba install scripts that are up to date ?
[10:08] <nf7> How can I get /etc/crontab to run a script as if it is in the same working directory as the script?
[10:08] <jkitchen> nf7: cd /path/to/dir && /path/to/dir/script
[10:08] <nf7> ohhhhh
[10:09] <nf7> jkitchen: is this a messy way to do it?
[10:09] <jkitchen> that's the way to do it
[10:10] <nf7> jkitchen: awesome, thanks a lot
[10:10] <jkitchen> yup
[10:10] <andol> nf7: Alt have the script start off by entering the desired working directory, assuming that applies equally well.
[10:11] <nf7> andol: it's a Python script, is it possible to do that?
[10:11] <jkitchen> http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#os.chdir
[10:12] <nf7> thank you!
[10:18] <nf7> jkitchen: Is it possible to have os.chdir point to the scripts path (so it will work no matter where I put the script), or do I need to always manually enter the path?
[10:28] <jkitchen> nf7: http://docs.python.org/2/library/sys.html#sys.argv  http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html#os.path.basename
[10:30] <nf7> jkitchen: Thanks a lot. It's really hard for me to read and find my own information using the documentation. Is there some sort of guide on how to utilize the documentation properly? Or do I just need to learn more.
[10:30] <jkitchen> I am permalinking you directly to the functions you want
[10:31] <nf7> jkitchen: Right, I'm just asking for future reference.
[10:31] <jkitchen> oh
[10:31] <jkitchen> I just google for the function name
[10:31] <jkitchen> or thereabouts
[10:31] <nf7> Cause I need to stop bothering people so much about little things.
[10:31] <jkitchen> hah, it's fine
[10:31] <nf7> Ah ok, how long have you been programming with Python?
[10:31] <jkitchen> I don't
[10:32] <jkitchen> I've been a professional google user for about 13 years now though
[10:32] <nf7> hahah
[10:32] <nf7> that's always a good skill
[10:32] <nf7> do you program with anything though? or just use Ubuntu server?
[10:33] <jkitchen> I am a recovering perl user turned rubyist
[10:33] <jkitchen> dabbled briefly in python
[10:33] <nf7> cool, there's a lot of perl in linux isn't there?
[10:33] <nf7> I was fixing a problem with a wifi card's hardware a while back and I ran into a lot of perl scripts
[10:33] <jkitchen> there's a lot of a lot of stuff in linux
[10:34] <nf7> right
[10:34] <jkitchen> used to be perl was really popular for a lot of stuff though
[10:35] <jkitchen> still is, truth be told
[10:35] <nf7> Perl and Python are very similar aren't they?
[10:35] <jkitchen> lots of folks like me who can whip up all kinds of shit in perl in no time
[10:35] <jkitchen> but trying to keep up with the new hotness
[10:35] <nf7> That's what someone told me anyway.
[10:35] <jkitchen> perl python and ruby are like the romance languages
[10:36] <nf7> What kind of stuff do you use Ruby for?
[10:36] <jkitchen> my company is a rails shop
[10:36] <jkitchen> so... basically everything
[10:36] <nf7> Right, I've dabbled very little with Ruby, seemed almost identical to Python up to what I learned.
[10:36] <jkitchen> hah
[10:36] <jkitchen> not even remotely :)
[10:36] <nf7> Cool, so web development?
[10:36] <nf7> yeah of course, past a point
[10:36] <jkitchen> no, I'm ops
[10:37] <jkitchen> I just run the servers
[10:37] <nf7> interesting
[10:37] <jkitchen> but I use puppet for managing my servers, and foreman for managing the metal
[10:37] <jkitchen> so there's some ruby there
[10:37] <nf7> I've been programming for about 3 months right now. Just writing some Reddit bots, having them run on a Ubuntu server on an old netbook that I'm SSH'ing into. It's fun.
[10:38] <jkitchen> now that this migration is almost finished (working on it right now, in fact, should be done shortly) I'll be able to get into the code side of things a bit more and start making things suck less
[10:38] <jkitchen> cool
[10:38] <nf7> Well I didn't understand much of that but it sounds interesting.
[10:38] <nf7> What OS do you use for programming/personal use?
[10:39] <jkitchen> OSX is my daily driver
[10:39] <jkitchen> but really it's just a pretty terminal
[10:39] <jkitchen> chrome, iterm, adium, and a music player
[10:40] <jkitchen> my primary operating environment is an ubuntu server with about 2 dozen tmux sessions
[10:40] <nf7> Yeah I was using OSX as well but I recently switched back to Windows, I like 8.1 a lot.
[10:40] <jkitchen> I can't work on windows
[10:40] <jkitchen> like literally am incapable
[10:40] <nf7> Just don't like it or missing some particular program?
[10:40] <jkitchen> there are no terminals for windows
[10:40] <jkitchen> putty doesn't qualify.
[10:41] <jkitchen> putty is great for what it is, but it's not what I need.
[10:41] <jkitchen> plus I really enjoy having a proper unix command line on my daily driver
[10:42] <nf7_> Whoops, lost the Wifi there for a moment, back though.
[10:42] <nf7_> What did I miss?
[10:42] <jkitchen> dunno
[10:43] <jkitchen> I have one windows machine, and it's been turned off for the last 8 months.
[10:43] <nf7_> Well the main reason I switched back to Windows is that I really like 8.1, they've figured out their hotkeys, took some pointers from OSX as well with the spotlight style search and a few other things.
[10:43] <nf7_> Plus I really like Thinkpads
[10:43] <jkitchen> if I were going to use a thinkpad it would have linux on it.
[10:43] <nf7_> Can get around 12 hours of battery with two packs and the docking base is amazing
[10:44] <jkitchen> but there is no finer laptop than the 13" retina macbook pro
[10:44] <nf7_> I love coming home and simply snapping it on and having it connect to the speakers, mouse, screen, keyboard, external hd instantly, it's great
[10:44] <nf7_> Yeah that's actually what I had as well, great machine
[10:44] <jkitchen> "docking base"
[10:44] <jkitchen> some proprietary thing
[10:44] <nf7_> yes it's lenovo proprietary
[10:45] <jkitchen> I have a thunderbolt display
[10:45] <nf7_> very similar
[10:45] <nf7_> the apple one?
[10:45] <jkitchen> yes
[10:45] <nf7_> that's one of the nicest screens, crazy expensive though
[10:45] <jkitchen> was free
[10:45] <nf7_> I think if I ever bought an OSX machine again I'd get a 13 inch Macbook pro
[10:45] <nf7_> the battery on those things is crazy
[10:45] <nf7_> macbook air*
[10:45] <jkitchen> everything on this thing is crazy.
[10:46] <jkitchen> oh, not the air
[10:46] <jkitchen> I am spoiled by retina
[10:46] <nf7_> yeah the retina is great
[10:46] <nf7_> I love how you can scale the resolutions
[10:46] <nf7_> you know what I'm talking about?
[10:47] <jkitchen> I only use it at the 1680x1050 effective resolution
[10:47] <nf7_> I like it at whatever the default it
[10:47] <nf7_> is*
[10:48] <jkitchen> dunno, I love linux on the desktop, but I also love not having to fuck with my laptop to have it work
[10:48] <ikonia> there is no need for tha language jkitchen
[10:48] <jkitchen> sorry
[10:48] <ikonia> no problem, thank you
[10:49] <jkitchen> (didn't realize mac was a dirty word, amirite?)
[10:49] <nf7_> haha
[10:49] <jkitchen> I kid.
[10:50] <jkitchen> I came close to buying a thinkpad or samsung series 9 this time around, but then the mavericks preview came out where they were talking about the battery optimizations they were doing at the OS and hardware levels and stuff
[10:50] <jkitchen> mind blown
[10:50] <jkitchen> sorry but there's just no way linux can compete with that :(
[10:51] <nf7_> OSX has crazy good power utilization.
[10:51] <jkitchen> that's the kind of stuff you can do when you are fully vertical
[10:51] <nf7_> Windows must be the worst.
[10:51] <nf7_> Even so, I get really good battery life on my ThinkPad
[10:51] <jkitchen> for sure
[10:51] <nf7_> I've actually removed all Lenovo drivers
[10:52] <nf7_> there were a bunch of power management ones, but I notice no difference whatsoever with them off.
[10:52] <jkitchen> but there's always that time when you're sitting there and boom, 90% -> 10% in what feels like minutes because something is chewing up power
[10:52] <nf7_> Yeah true
[10:52] <jkitchen> happened on my android phone all the time
[10:52] <jkitchen> happened on my thinkpads in the past
[10:52] <jkitchen> I do miss linux on the desktop though.
[10:52] <nf7_> I can't stand all the tools and utilities Lenovo puts on their machines (even if they aren't bloatware technically), first thing I did was a fresh install from a Microsoft CD
[10:53] <ikonia> is this really anything to do with ubuntu server ?
[10:53] <ikonia> perhaps take it to one of the offtopic channel please ?
[10:53] <jkitchen> heh
[10:53] <nf7_> I was just heading out anyway, thanks for the help.
[10:54] <jkitchen> np, good luck
[10:54] <Gilligan94> Hi I have a system without a graphics card and I want to set up ubuntu server on it, what would the best way to do this be?
[10:54] <ikonia> a serial connection
[10:54] <jkitchen> Gilligan94: network console
[10:54] <Gilligan94> so I'll beable to install it over SSH?
[10:54] <jkitchen> it really doesn't even have like an onboard vga? weird.
[10:54] <jkitchen> Gilligan94: yup
[10:55] <Gilligan94> yea no VGA this is an AMD system
[10:55] <jkitchen> doesn't mean it doesn't have a vga port on board
[10:55] <jkitchen> in fact with newer AMDs it seems like it's hardecr to get one WITHOUT an apu than with...
[10:55] <Gilligan94> in this case it doesn't have any VGA
[10:55] <jkitchen> crazy
[10:56] <Gilligan94> I believe this mobo and CPU was aimed at gaming so they just assumed you would use a dedicated GPU
[10:57] <ikonia> what is the motherboard model
[10:57] <Gilligan94> not sure, I dont have it on hand currently
[10:59] <jkitchen> not even hdmi?!
[10:59]  * jkitchen is baffled
[10:59] <Gilligan94> nope nada
[11:00] <Gilligan94> kinda cool IMO keeps the cost down
[11:00] <jkitchen> eh
[11:00] <jkitchen> by about $2
[11:00] <jkitchen> anywho OFF TOPIC
[11:00] <jkitchen> try the network installer.
[11:00] <Gilligan94> every little bit counts >.>
[11:00] <Gilligan94> alright thanks
[11:01] <jkitchen> or serial console
[11:01] <jkitchen> but I doubt it has a serial port
[11:01] <Gilligan94> yea I dont think it does
[11:01] <ikonia> if it's not got any form of vga for "cost saving" they won't have put a serial port on
[11:01] <jkitchen> right
[11:02] <Gilligan94> any advantage to using 13.10 over 12.04?
[11:02] <jkitchen> plenty
[11:02] <ikonia> Gilligan94: it really depends on your needs
[11:02] <jkitchen> go with 13.10 unless you need LTS
[11:03] <Gilligan94> alright
[11:51] <blueking> does there exist scripts  up to date for install of samba ?
[12:01] <ikonia> blueking: the package manager will manage updates
[12:05] <frojnd> Hi there. I need a little assitance with mx records. I successfully set multuiple A records for server's IP. So when I go to mydomain1.com it  goes there without a problem. It's the same with mydomain2.com Now I'd like to set up MX records for mail server for mydomain1.com. Under free DNS hosting section of my host provider, I set up: Name: mydomain1.com,  Type: MX, Value: IP
[12:06] <frojnd> WHen I do dig -t mx mydomain1.com I can't see mydqomain1.com under mx...
[12:06] <frojnd> Am I doing this correctly?
[12:07] <frojnd> I also tried for google mails and it's rather different then I did: Name: atl1.aspmx.i.google.com, Type: MX, Value: mydomain1.com
[12:07] <ikonia> dns changes will take time to go live
[12:07] <frojnd> So: do I have to first set A recrod for mail.mydomain1.com and then use this?
[12:07] <ikonia> mx records need to be a vali dhost name too
[12:08] <frojnd> ikonia: I've set up yesterday and still not seen.
[12:08] <ikonia> is the fqdn of the mx host able to be resolved
[12:08] <frojnd> ikonia: so in theory, if I set first A record: mail.mydomain1.com for server's ip and then use for mx like this: mail.mydomain1.com Type: MX value: mydomain1.com will it work?
[12:08] <ikonia> MX has to be a fqdn, not an ip
[12:09] <frojnd> aha
[12:09] <frojnd> we found a problem
[12:09] <frojnd> let me try
[12:11] <frojnd> It says changes will be visible in max 4 hours
[12:12] <frojnd> Nevertheless I noticed a few problems with postfix
[12:14] <frojnd>  postfix/cleanup[1128]: warning: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf lookup error for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>this warning each second, which is worring me
[12:14] <frojnd> log is already 18MB big
[12:14] <frojnd> ioptop is running like crazy :)
[12:15] <frojnd> In that *.maps.cf I have user, password, hosts, dbname and query
[12:17] <frojnd> Also in that file, user is not root
[12:43] <blueking> ikonia:  not that kind I was thinking.. but script to get everything installed
[12:44] <ikonia> the package manager will install everything
[13:57] <leelondon> i used ubuntu-s for five years guys
[13:57] <leelondon> please like https://www.facebook.com/DwayneJohnson
[13:57] <leelondon> the rock
[15:07] <frojnd> Ok. I have setup a MX record for mydomain1.com as mail.mydomain1.com and is also seen if I do dig -t mx mydomain1.com
[15:07] <frojnd> What does that error mean for postfix?  Nevertheless I noticed a few problems with postfix
[15:07] <frojnd>   postfix/cleanup[1128]: warning: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf lookup error
[15:55] <Maddeth> Hey all, anyone know if there is a netatalk channel?
[15:56] <Maddeth> or anyone able to help bme with some netatalk issues
[15:56] <Maddeth> s/bme/me/
[16:45] <subman> I've tried adding a second hard drive to my ubuntu server machine but now it won't boot up.  It gets stuck at verifying dmi pool.  Any ideas?
[18:47] <bitbyte> Hey guys any one here who can help out with a VPN problem ?
[18:50] <jkitchen> ?ask
[18:50] <jkitchen> ??ask
[18:51] <jkitchen> don't ask to ask, just ask. if someone can help and is willing, they might just do that
[18:53] <anepanaliptos> yes. but i dont know what your problem is.
[18:56] <bitbyte> sorry got called away from the machine as i typed enter
[18:56] <bitbyte> I'm having some problems understanding generating the certificates
[18:56] <jkitchen> bitbyte: what sort of vpn are you creating, openvpn?
[18:56] <bitbyte> I am following the setup outlined here : http://serverfault.com/questions/212382/how-to-set-up-strongswan-or-openswan-for-pure-ipsec-with-iphone-client
[18:57] <bitbyte> but the openssl command I am having trouble finding any details for. Any ideas on some documents to read up more on it
[18:57] <jkitchen> there's always 'man openssl'
[18:57] <bitbyte> I am setting up StrongSwan on ubuntu server, I think I have the config right. But when i generate the certs they don't seem to work right
[18:58] <jkitchen> but basically that guy is setting up a CA and such
[18:58] <jkitchen> for my vpn (openvpn) I use the easy-rsa stuff that ships with openvpn
[18:58] <jkitchen> to manage my ca
[18:59] <bitbyte> If I'm just setting up a home VPN would i need to setup the Certificate Authority ?
[18:59] <jkitchen> yes
[18:59] <bitbyte> I was looking on ss64 for the openssl command but had no luck
[18:59] <jkitchen> if you follow those directions on the page exactly, it should work fine
[18:59] <jkitchen> what step did you have trouble with?
[19:00] <bitbyte> Ok I will give it another shot, The issues began when i copied the certs over to my osx test laptop and it did not recognize the certs even when fully important to keychain
[19:01] <bitbyte> The setup I have at the moment is : http://pastebin.com/g2yhYYC0
[19:02] <bitbyte> If I understand this correct the leftsubnet 10.10.10.x/24 will be the network the VPN clients are on and <IP_ADDRESS>/24 will accept any inbound IP's
[19:02] <jkitchen> I can't speak to that part, sorry
[19:02] <bitbyte> and having the interfaces=%default route it should pass it through to the em1 ethernet interface and connect it to my internal 10.10.5.x/24 network
[19:04] <bitbyte> There was one other item i was wondering about which was that when i run the openssl to generate the certs it asks for a password, Can this be taken off ?
[19:05] <bitbyte> Because if I understand it correctly, it will require the password to be entered every time its requested to be used.
[19:16] <anepanaliptos> yes you can leave it blank and push enter
[19:17] <bitbyte> When i pushed enter it seems to exit the creation of the cert
[20:29] <blueking> hello
[20:31] <blueking> I have a question about reboot/init 6      I have an issue with it    tried google for it but found no answer to it, maybe someone here knows  ?   the issue about reboot/init 6 is that it shuts down computer and doesn't restart    are there ways to force  pc/linux restart ? I am running ubuntu server 13.10
[20:56] <zkvvoob> Hi guys, I'm trying to find out why my Ubuntu 12.04 server with Postfix/Dovecot suddenly stopped receiving emails. Sending works fine. Could someone give me a hand?
[21:01] <zkvvoob> Please?
[21:12] <zkvvoob> Anyone?
[21:23] <blueking> I have a question about reboot/init 6      I have an issue with it    tried google for it but found no answer to it, maybe someone here knows  ?   the issue about reboot/init 6 is that it shuts down computer and doesn't restart    are there ways to force  pc/linux restart ? I am running ubuntu server 13.10
[21:53] <sander^home> How do I decrypt a pgp message?
[21:54] <jkitchen> you need the private key
[21:54] <jkitchen> then you just gpg --decrypt
[22:03] <sander^home> jkitchen, do you have a compleate example?
[22:04] <jkitchen> sander^home: huh?
[22:04] <jkitchen> gpg --decrypt filename
[22:05] <sander^home> jkitchen, ah, ok. And what argument do I spesify the private key, and where do I spesify the message?
[22:05] <jkitchen> sander^home: you need the private key in your keyring
[22:05] <jkitchen> and you can either pipe the message in or specify a filename
[22:06] <jkitchen> gpg will figure out which private key to use to decrypt the file if you have multiple private keys in your keyring
[22:07] <sander^home> jkitchen, how do I import the private key into my keyring?
[22:09] <jkitchen> sander^home: gpg --import keyfilename
[22:09] <jkitchen> or you can pipe the key into --import
[22:16] <sander^home> jkitchen, seems like I got an public key..and a message
[22:17] <jkitchen> sander^home: if you don't have the private key you can't decrypt the message
[22:17] <jkitchen> that's kinda the point
[22:24] <sander^home> jkitchen, ok. Thanks alot:)
[22:27] <zkvvoob> Hi guys, I'm trying to find out why my Ubuntu 12.04 server with Postfix/Dovecot suddenly stopped receiving emails. Sending works fine. Could someone give me a hand?
[22:30] <blueking> noone had problem with shutdown -r, reboot, init 6  ?
[22:30] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: what's in your maillog?
[22:30] <jkitchen> also, what's the domain?
[22:31] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501474/
[22:33] <jkitchen> Dec  1 00:20:02 server sm-mta[7723]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): hash map "access": missing map file /etc/mail/access.db: No such file or directory
[22:33] <jkitchen> that's not postfix, for one
[22:34] <jkitchen> sm-mta I'm gonna guess is sendmail
[22:34] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: but I removed that
[22:34] <zkvvoob> sendmail
[22:34] <jkitchen> clearly not
[22:34] <zkvvoob> what do I do then?
[22:34] <jkitchen> remove sendmail, install postfix
[22:35] <zkvvoob> like I said, already did that: apt-get remove sendmail, apt-get autoremove
[22:35] <jkitchen> how did sendmail get on there to begin with?
[22:35] <zkvvoob> I was trying to figure out why the PHP Mail function was not working and tried setting up sendmail; when nothing changed, I removed it
[22:35] <zkvvoob> and reinstalled Postfix
[22:35] <jkitchen> ah
[22:35] <jkitchen> that'll do it.
[22:36] <zkvvoob> but maybe I messed something with the config files
[22:36] <jkitchen> postfix ships its own /usr/sbin/sendmail, so you don't need to actually have sendmail installed
[22:36] <jkitchen> dpkg -l | grep sendmail
[22:37] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501494/
[22:38] <jkitchen> ok, what about postfix
[22:38] <jkitchen> also, perhaps sendmail is still running, check your process list
[22:38] <jkitchen> or try telnet localhost 25
[22:38] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501495/
[22:38] <jkitchen> ok, postfix isn't installed either
[22:39] <zkvvoob> so, apt-get install postfix again?
[22:39] <jkitchen> so between that and the fact that you removed postfix and installed sendmail, that would cause mail to stop working, yes.
[22:39] <jkitchen> yea, install postfix
[22:39] <zkvvoob> aye, aye
[22:39] <jkitchen> but first check the process list
[22:39] <zkvvoob> how?
[22:39] <jkitchen> sendmail may still be running
[22:39] <jkitchen> ps aux | grep sendmail
[22:39] <jkitchen> maybe
[22:40] <jkitchen> I don't (won't) use sendmail, so I'm not sure what all processes it uses
[22:40] <zkvvoob> root      4303  0.0  0.0  13548  2208 ?        Ss   Nov30   0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting connections root      8372  0.0  0.0   4392   808 pts/0    S+   00:40   0:00 grep --color=auto sendmail
[22:40] <jkitchen> yea, it's still running. kill it.
[22:40] <zkvvoob> again, how? :(
[22:40] <jkitchen> kill 4303
[22:41] <jkitchen> 4303 is the pid of the sendmail process there
[22:41] <zkvvoob> right, got it
[22:41] <zkvvoob> done
[22:41] <jkitchen> (second column)
[22:41] <zkvvoob> now install postfix?
[22:41] <jkitchen> yup
[22:41] <jkitchen> and hopefully you didn't apt-get purge it before, it should still have your configu
[22:41] <zkvvoob> no, I didn't purge anything
[22:41] <zkvvoob> it's installed
[22:41] <zkvvoob> now what?
[22:41] <blueking> anyone knows what option -d means ? in -> "reboot -d -f -i"      looking at file /etc/rc6.d/S90reboot
[22:42] <blueking> man doesn't mention -d option
[22:43] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: in theory, postfix is up and running and your mail should be working again
[22:43] <zkvvoob> hm, ok, I'll tail the mail log and send a messge
[22:45] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501525/
[22:45] <zkvvoob> and there's no trace of the message in my mailbox
[22:45] <jkitchen> Dec  1 00:45:01 server postfix/smtpd[9185]: error: unsupported dictionary type: mysql
[22:46] <jkitchen> you may need to install postfix-mysql
[22:46] <jkitchen> dunno if you were actually using that before or whatnot
[22:48] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: nothing - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501545/
[22:49] <jkitchen> you need to restart postfix after installing the package
[22:49] <zkvvoob> did that
[22:49] <jkitchen> ok
[22:49] <jkitchen> mailq says?
[22:50] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501552/
[22:52] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: those are bounce messages, you can look at what they say with postcat. postcat -q B6C8C601566
[22:52] <jkitchen> though unless your clock is quite off those are most likely not relevant to this matter
[22:52] <Xeronix> I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu Server 13.10 - my USB keyboard is not recognized by my computer once I get into the installation steps
[22:52] <Xeronix> I'm stuck at Select a Language
[22:52] <jkitchen> Xeronix: replug?
[22:52] <Xeronix> jkitchen: I have tried that
[22:52] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: no, it's not off, they are old; aparently I've not been receiving message for quite some time, not just today
[22:52] <jkitchen> just a thought :)
[22:53] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: I'd bet there's a strong correlation between when you uninstalled postfix and installed sendmail and when your mail stopped working
[22:53] <jkitchen> Xeronix: do you have any sort of legacy usb support enabled in your bios?
[22:53] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: the thing is I never actually uninstalled postfix
[22:53] <Xeronix> jkitchen: I do
[22:53] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: at least I don't remember
[22:54] <Xeronix> Under USB configuration
[22:54] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: postfix and sendmail are mutually exclusive
[22:54] <Xeronix> I have Legacy USB Support enabled
[22:54] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: I know that now, yes
[22:54] <jkitchen> Xeronix: you might disable that
[22:54] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: so what could I try now?
[22:54] <Xeronix> DISABLE it?
[22:54] <jkitchen> Xeronix: yes, linux has supported usb keyboards for over a decade
[22:54] <jkitchen> you don't need the bios to do that for you anymore
[22:55] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: how are you testing your mail?
[22:55] <Xeronix> jkitchen: Still no use, it's not working :(
[22:55] <jkitchen> Xeronix: you rebooted that quickly?
[22:55] <Xeronix> Yep
[22:55] <jkitchen> lies.
[22:55] <Xeronix> USB install
[22:55] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: sending a message from another account, tail -f /var/log/mail.log; checking webmail if anything's arrived
[22:55] <Xeronix> it's not a server, so it doesn't have a long POST cycle either
[22:55] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: what's the domain?
[22:55] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: I already sent you the output of telnet localhost 25
[22:56] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: saturn13.eu
[22:56] <zkvvoob> or mail.saturn13.eu - for the SMTP
[22:56] <Xeronix> jkitchen: Like literally, my keyboard loses power or something
[22:56] <Xeronix> hmm
[22:56] <jkitchen> Xeronix: weird. is it a fancy keyboard or just off the shelf thing
[22:56] <Xeronix> does Ubuntu have USB3 support built in?
[22:56] <Xeronix> jkitchen: Nope, I used it yesterday to install server on another machine
[22:57] <jkitchen> weird
[22:57] <jkitchen> in theory it shouldn't matter, because of usb hid
[22:57] <jkitchen> but yea.
[22:57] <jkitchen> HEH
[22:57] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: tail -f your log file
[22:58] <jkitchen> you should have just seen a message from me
[22:58] <jkitchen> 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 58C7D600040
[22:58] <Xeronix> jkitchen: shite, just disabled legacy usb and my keyboard no longer works for getting into the bios
[22:59] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: I think I did, here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501595/
[22:59] <jkitchen> Xeronix: wat
[22:59] <jkitchen> :(
[22:59] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: but I don't see the actual message in my mailbox
[22:59] <Xeronix> going to CMOS reset
[23:01] <DRice7> hey guys - can anyone help me with my Xorg starting problem? Error found at bottom of: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501600/
[23:02] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: bounce says unknown user bz
[23:03] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: that's insane, I'm logged in my webmail with that user
[23:03] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: here, I just logged out and then back in
[23:03] <jkitchen> zkvvoob: well, most webmail programs are just imap clients
[23:03] <jkitchen> so your imap server and postfix are disagreeing
[23:03] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: right, so what should I do then?
[23:04] <jkitchen> are you doing some virtual users setup or something with postfix?
[23:04] <jkitchen> (I'm assuming so since you have mysql involved)
[23:04] <zkvvoob> jkitchen: maybe, I'm using ISPCOnfig, maybe it got confused with the postfix situation - should I remove the account and add it again?
[23:04] <jkitchen> no
[23:04] <jkitchen> postfix is probably just not looking at it
[23:05] <jkitchen> I don't know what ISPConfig is though, is that some sort of third party panel thing?
[23:05] <jkitchen> like cpanel or plesk or such
[23:05] <zkvvoob> yes, like cPanel
[23:05] <jkitchen> if so, you should probably contact their support
[23:05] <jkitchen> oh, it's open source.
[23:05] <jkitchen> hrm
[23:05] <zkvvoob> so?
[23:05] <jkitchen> well, maybe ask their irc channel then? :)
[23:06] <blueking> hmm
[23:06] <zkvvoob> :D
[23:06] <zkvvoob> Well, thank you very much for your help jkitchen !
[23:06] <jkitchen> I have never used ispconfig so I have no idea how it's configured
[23:06] <jkitchen> no problem, good luck
[23:06] <blueking> *sighs*
[23:07] <blueking> debian  and ubuntu are built on same kernel ?
[23:08] <jkitchen> blueking: all linux distros are by definition built off of the linux kernel
[23:10] <blueking> jkitchen:  just wonder why I have reboot problem on debian and ubuntu  but not in opensuse
[23:11] <jkitchen> the 'reboot' command isn't part of the kernel
[23:11] <jkitchen> what problem are you having?
[23:11] <DRice7> blueking, it has to do with the acpi drivers
[23:11] <DRice7> apt-get install pastebinit
[23:11] <DRice7> dmesg | pastebinit
[23:11] <DRice7> check the ACPI messages
[23:11] <blueking> jkitchen:  reboot, shutdown -r, init 6    all shuts down pc
[23:12] <jkitchen> ahh, yes. that's probably ACPI thing.
[23:12]  * jkitchen hands the baton to DRice7
[23:12] <blueking> ok
[23:20] <blueking> DRice7:  what am I looking for ?
[23:23] <blueking> DRice7:   have some acpi warning at line 858 - 864
[23:28] <blueking> jkitchen:   what should I look for about acpi in dmesg ?
[23:43] <blueking> hmm'
[23:49] <blueking> edited grub  put in acpi=off   no change to reboot