[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[15:41] <daker> dholbach: mhall119 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW4HkllMQbo ;)
[15:47] <dholbach> daker, nice pictures :)
[17:20]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[22:18] <jono> mhall119, hey
[22:18] <jono> mhall119, kicked off a thread with the engineering leads to dig into the accessibility thing more
[22:19] <jono> I think there is a good opportunity here to build community participation around this
[23:07] <mhall119> jono: great news, I hope we can
[23:07] <jono> mhall119, agreed


[23:54] <wiggmpk> I have an issue with resizing a window. I have a lower resolution 1366x768 and need to stretch the window. So I move it off screen and attempt to stretch it. Once I start moving the window size, it snaps back on screen and I dont have the screen space to resize it anymore. How can I disable this 'feature"


[12:10] <asac> pitti: you'r probably not on? if not check the firefox source in NEW (back to unversioned, yay!)
[12:10] <asac> if not not ;)
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> hey hyperair
[18:41] <hyperair> hey chrisccoulson
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> thanks for investigating the g-p-m suspend issue
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to upload your changes now
[18:44] <hyperair> thanks
[18:44] <hyperair> =)
[20:19] <bittin> anyone can tips me about a podcast i can start listen to?
[20:26] <hyperair> pitti: if you've got some time, could you look at bug #425411 again, please? (new SRU debdiff, because the previous verification was half-done and half-failed)
[20:31] <jjardon> Hello, Is this really a invalid bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/solang/+bug/507511
[20:32] <jjardon> O told this because, some upstream project already have some work done
[20:36]  * hyperair had always thought solang was some kind of compiler or interpreter for some programming languaeg
[20:37] <hyperair> anyway it should be marked with importance wishlist and status triaged, i think.
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> hyperair / pitti - i've uploaded the new SRU for bug 425411 now
[20:40] <hyperair> ah thanks
[20:41]  * hyperair thought it needed reapproval from ubuntu-sru
[20:41] <chrisccoulson> hyperair - it gets reviewed in the queue
[20:41] <hyperair> ah i see
[20:41] <hyperair> okay =)
[20:41] <hyperair> thanks
[20:43] <vish> jjardon: the triager wouldnt have seen your comment... he wasnt subscribed to the bug report
[20:46] <vish> eitherway, it isnt really necessary to open bugs report in launchpad for upstream bugs
[20:51] <jjardon> vish, hyperair so, Should I change the status from invalid to triagued?
[20:56] <vish> jjardon: it doesnt really matter ;) since the feature needs to be done upstream ... and is being worked on.. [i didnt check all upstream bugs]  lp bug report is not really needed
[20:57] <jjardon> vish, oh, ok then :)
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> hyperair - did you manage to recreate the second issue in bug 425411, which your new patch fixes?
[21:29] <RAOF> jjardon: If there's an upstream bug, linking it to the launchpad bug can be helpful.  That way we know when a new version will fix it.


[12:25] <laserbeak43> ok thx :)
[12:27] <TheSheep> man find and info find will give you a lot more options
[12:37] <keb> what is the best way to transfer operating system to a new hard disk?  my current boot+root partition drive is dying
[12:38] <keb> bbl
[12:41] <TheSheep> keb: make new partitions on the other disk and use tar c | tar x to copy all the files with permissions and dates and everything intact
[02:54] <keb> thanks TheSheep
[02:55] <keb> TheSheep why not "cp -ax" instead of tar ?
[02:58] <Jester45> tar keeps the permissions and hierarchy
[03:02] <keb> i thought that is what -ax does too
[03:02] <Jester45> might
[03:02] <keb> but it has problems copying special files
[03:23] <justin__> Hey guys, i need a bit of help setting up my Xubuntu installation as a server, and i cant find any information that seems to help out
[03:23] <justin__> Anyone willing to lend a hand?
[03:29] <keb> justin__ : i just uninstalled all the graphical stuff and installed the server kernel
[03:31] <justin__> keb:  yeah, but heres the thing
[03:31] <justin__> keb: I need very specific things, and all the tutorials i read all talk as if i have semi advanced knowledge, ive been using ubuntu now for months but by no means am an expert
[03:31] <justin__> keb:  they also dont explain exactly WHAT im doing, just how to do it
[03:32] <keb> what do you need
[03:32] <justin__> keb:  well first thing i need is this, i need some sort of file sharing service running, that upon accessing the server, it will ask for a name and password, and give them read/write access to certain files/folders that i have set up for them
[03:33] <justin__> keb:  the closest thing i could get was samba, but i am not catoring to windows users, only linux, and NFS is way beyond my knowledge
[03:33] <godless> justin__:  Just to pat you on the back, your desire to understand what you're doing instead of just cutting and pasting is a 'Good Thing'
[03:33] <justin__> godless:  yes, unfortunately, noone else seems to think so, as thats all they tell me to do
[03:34] <keb> i would suggest vsftpd for that sort of file sharing
[03:35] <justin__> what i really need is for someone to take some time out, and help me out with a fresh clean install of xubuntu and help me turn it into a server. Walk me through all the steps to properly set it up and to administer it
[03:35] <justin__> keb:  vsftpd?
[03:35] <keb> if it isnt a heavy usage system, you dont need a special server installation
[03:35] <j1mc> justin__: when you talk about file sharing, do you mean over the web via a webserver, or?
[03:36] <godless> and if it is a heavy usage system, you're gonna have to pay somebody for their admin expertise
[03:36] <j1mc> more local.
[03:36] <justin__> keb:  im not going with the server installation, although i do want it to be headless by the time i am done with it
[03:36] <justin__> it will be local, just for me and my roomates to use
[03:36] <j1mc> are any of them windows users?
[03:36] <godless> A straight xubuntu installation should be able to be modified / set up to do what you want
[03:37] <godless> Anyway I'm going to bow out of this discussion for now, road trip to prepare for.
[03:37] <godless> good luck
[03:37] <justin__> yes... and no, they all have windows installed, and run dual boot systems with ubuntu and kubuntu, and they will be dropping windows completely as soon as i find the time to get wow+wine working for them
[03:37] <j1mc> take care, godless
[03:37] <justin__> godless:  have fun
[03:37] <j1mc> justin__: what kind of files are you going to share?  do you want to stream media, or just share access to files?
[03:38] <justin__> j1mc: well a little bit of both, i need our combined music/video collection to be streamable, and i need a place for them to deposit files for backup purposes or to free up space on their on machines
[03:39] <j1mc> ok
[03:39] <j1mc> well...  let me think
[03:39] <justin__> j1mc:  further down the line i will also be making it a torrent box, but i can worry about that later, i am in no rush to get this finished, i have two weeks
[03:39] <justin__> j1mc:  its just ive been working on it for 2 days and have gotten nothing accomplished
[03:39] <j1mc> two weeks to set it up as a torrent box, too?
[03:40] <justin__> j1mc:  two weeks to get it all set up and running
[03:40] <laserbeak43> http://rafb.net/p/VyLRU458.html
[03:40] <laserbeak43> can someone please help with that?
[03:40] <justin__> laserbeak43: what are you trying to do?
[03:41] <keb> you don't need streaming if it isnt a live broadcast
[03:41] <j1mc> justin__: well, i would break it down into steps.  the easiest, and most important thing, is to get basic file sharing put in place.
[03:41] <j1mc> then you can try and tackle the media streaming
[03:41] <laserbeak43> install jre
[03:42] <j1mc> i would recommend samba for file sharing.
[03:42] <godless> mpd is good for shared media... or just use sshfs to allow everybody to access the shared drive as a folder on their own machine..
[03:42] <justin__> j1mc:  yeah, and media streaming isnt that important in the end
[03:42] <j1mc> godless: does sshfs work with windows?
[03:42] <godless> samba I would only use if windows needs to be accomadated..
[03:42] <godless> j1mc:  ...maybe with cygwin. But I thought everybody was running *buntu
[03:42] <justin__> godless:  i had ssh working just fine, but i dont know how the CLI will go over with them, And as i said, not accomadating windows will help ease them to linux
[03:43] <j1mc> yeah, some of his roommates do use windows...
[03:43] <j1mc> i wouldn't count on windows being removed immediately, either.
[03:43] <justin__> j1mc:  yeah thats true
[03:43] <j1mc> justin... i have some experience with samba, but i'm not a total samba pro.
[03:44] <j1mc> let me ask a few more questions.
[03:44] <justin__> j1mc: well as of right now, i am just finishing yet another install of xubuntu, so i will have a completely clear install
[03:44] <j1mc> do you have a router (wired or wireless?) in your apartment?
[03:44] <godless> justin__:  sshfs is a nifty ssh front end which basically mounts a directory on a remote machine on the local machine... for example I have my server's media store mounted as /mnt/netmedia, and I can access it through the CLI, or the gui, and generally just use it as if it was on this machine.. save torrents to it, etc.
[03:44] <justin__> j1mc: wired, and wireless is set up only for xbox and wii.
[03:45] <justin__> godless: wow thats pretty awesome, ill have to figure out how to get that working down the road
[03:45] <j1mc> justin__: you may want to jot a few of these things down...
[03:45] <j1mc> or... crap... hold on...
[03:45] <justin__> j1mc:  already ahead of you man, notepad and pen on hand
[03:47] <j1mc> well, you'll need to make sure that the computer you use as a server always has the same IP address
[03:47] <j1mc> that way, the other computers can be set to look for files at that address
[03:47] <keb> or a dynamic dns
[03:47] <justin__> j1mc: easy enough done, i was gonna have it set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:48] <j1mc> keb: right, but this is just an internal network.
[03:48] <keb> k
[03:48] <j1mc> justin__: as a note, down the road you can look into setting up dyndns so that you can access your server from outside your local network.
[03:48] <justin__> j1mc: doesnt that cost money though?
[03:49] <j1mc> no, it's free
[03:49] <j1mc> well, they have a paid option if you want a fancy domain name.
[03:49] <justin__> i see
[03:49] <j1mc> otherwise, you can select from what they have.  e.g.  j1m.homelinux.net
[03:49] <justin__> well is there anyway to assign domains at least internally, for instance by having one computer be accessed as abeona isntead of the ip
[03:50] <justin__> ugh im getting ahead of myself, i apologize, lets just focus on getting file sharing working lol
[03:50] <j1mc> yeah...
[03:51] <j1mc> on the server you'll want to install samba and samba-common
[03:51] <justin__> ok well the install is about done, what are the first things i should do? i was going to wipe out abiword, thunderbird, gaim, and stuff like that, as well as get the nvidia drivers working just to speed things up
[03:51] <justin__> ok samba and samba-common
[03:52] <j1mc> and all of the configuring of the samba server is done from the /etc/samba/smb.conf file
[03:52] <j1mc> you can access it via a text editor, or they have some web-based apps that can help you modify it
[03:53] <justin__> eh im pretty familiar with gedit/mousepad/kate lol
[03:53] <justin__> ive been using some form of ubuntu for about 6 months now, just never in a server set up
[03:54] <justin__> well how does samba handle permission rights? i need them to have to type in their username and password for the server whenever they try to access it, and upon doing so, give them access to specific folders, namely, their home folder, and the second hard drive
[03:54] <j1mc> you'll want to do some reading on the smb.conf file.
[03:54] <justin__> ok i can do that
[03:54] <j1mc> it can do some cool stuff, but there are a lot of options
[03:55] <j1mc> right now, i've just set mine up with one main folder because i only use it myself.
[03:56] <justin__> gotcha
[03:56] <j1mc> you'll want to ask some of your more technical questions in #samba
[03:56] <justin__> j1mc: ok just joined there
[03:56] <j1mc> but... i'll just say this for now.  in my experience, kubuntu (kde) has the best samba support
[03:56] <j1mc> followed by ubuntu and then xubuntu.
[03:57] <j1mc> xubuntu doesn't really have much in the way of native samba support at this time.
[03:57] <justin__> j1mc: i considered that, but the box im running it on is old... too old to run kde efficiently enough, and since it was gonna be headless eventually anyway, i figured it wouldnt matter
[03:57] <j1mc> it can run it as a server, but trying to access samba shares (password protected ones) via thunar, isn't really functional
[03:58] <j1mc> yeah... what you're saying is fine.
[03:58] <j1mc> but the other computers that access it... i would recommend ubuntu or kubuntu for them.
[03:58] <justin__> j1mc: well neither myself or any of the others will be running, im on kubuntu right now, and i absolutely love it, switched from gnome about a week ago
[03:58] <j1mc> ok
[03:58] <justin__> running xubuntu*
[03:59] <justin__> ok well, one thing i would like to set up right now is the proper groups and what not that would be needed as if they would be logging in right at the machine
[03:59] <justin__> i tried before, but what ended up happening is my initial user gained full root and was never asked to enter a password at all
[04:00] <Chikubu> how can i launch a command line program, in a way that wont take up a terminal window will its running, hidden i guess
[04:01] <Pumpernickel> foo &
[04:02] <j1mc> justin__: i think that you will have to do some reading on this...
[04:03] <justin__> ok no sweat than, will do that
[04:03] <justin__> j1mc: do you know anything about setting up a VNC?
[04:03] <j1mc> and feel free to ask in #samba.
[04:03] <j1mc> justin__: no, sorry
[04:03] <justin__> j1mc: im in there, but doesnt seem like much is going on
[04:04] <j1mc> feel free to ask, though.
[04:04] <j1mc> people may just be lurking
[04:04] <justin__> j1mc: i will, im actually reading on the samba site right now, i have to head to bed soon anyway, i have work in the morning
[04:05] <justin__> maxamillion: not too much, just asking questions about setting up a file server
[04:05] <j1mc> he's using xubuntu to get it started
[04:06] <cellofellow> I think my smb.conf is a good one
[04:06] <cellofellow> want to see it for reference?
[04:06] <maxamillion> !proftpd
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proftpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <maxamillion> !proftp
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <maxamillion> the bot has failed me
[04:07] <justin__> cellofellow: well the question is, is it possible to set up samba so that when someone connects they will have to enter their user name and password and have them gain access to certain files and folders based on their account
[04:07] <maxamillion> brb
[04:07] <justin__> yeah... someone told me about proftpd earlier
[04:07] <justin__> cellofellow: and yes, i would love to see one for reference
[04:07] <Chikubu> whats the port for the cups print server again?
[04:07] <Chikubu> 6 something
[04:08] <j1mc> cellofellow: could i see your smb.conf file?
[04:08] <Chikubu> ive done something to my settings so that i cant ping localhost anymore, where is that data stored? a host file someplace?
[04:09] <cellofellow> j1mc: sure, one sec
[04:10] <cellofellow> Chikubu: try /etc/hosts
[04:10] <Chikubu> ok
[04:11] <justin__> j1mc: ok well what else should i look into? as far as sharing things goes
[04:12] <justin__> j1mc: OHHH what about swat?
[04:12] <j1mc> make sure all of the client computers use the same workgroup name.
[04:12] <j1mc> and you can only have 1 wins server.
[04:13] <j1mc> the rest are clients that point to the ip of the wins server
[04:13] <j1mc> i've tried swat when setting things up initially.
[04:13] <justin__> j1mc: howd it go?
[04:14] <j1mc> it's pretty good!
[04:14] <justin__> j1mc:  good enough that a noob could navigate it? or good enough that a pro found is sufficient?
[04:15] <j1mc> it is a web interface to modify the smb.conf file, so it should help a noob.
[04:15] <justin__> j1mc: cool stuff
[04:15] <j1mc> it should help anyone.  :)
[04:15] <Drew3b> What is the very first step to update the distro from 6.06 to 7o.x
[04:15] <j1mc> but read up on it... i'm not sure about security
[04:15] <justin__> Drew3b: back up any data you want to save, just in case
[04:15] <cellofellow> Drew3b: update to 6.10
[04:16] <justin__> cellofellow: lol that too
[04:16] <cellofellow> It can't be done in one fell swoop, it has to be Dapper > Edgy > Feisty.
[04:16] <j1mc> gotta go, all.
[04:16] <j1mc> ttyl
[04:16] <cellofellow> Give yourself about a full day for things to download, unless you have superfast internet of course.
[04:16] <cellofellow> cya
[04:17] <justin__> ugh i missed saying thanks
[04:17] <justin__> cellofellow: so any chance i could talk a look at your smb.conf?
[04:17] <Chikubu> i used to be able to change settings such as network and users and groups from this account, now it says i must be root i have to find equivalent command to launch with sudo...what i do?
[04:17] <Drew3b> ok, not much to save.  And the names confused me (Dapper > Edgy > Feisty) Knowing the order helped ty.    A whole Day!?
[04:17] <cellofellow> justin__: /dcc get
[04:18] <cellofellow> Drew3b: (almost) every package will be downloaded and upgraded. Your whole system.
[04:18] <justin__> cellofellow: i go it, thank you
[04:19] <cellofellow> ftr Dapper = 6.06 LTS, Edgy = 6.10, Feisty = 7.04, Gutsy = 7.10
[04:20] <Drew3b> Ok well, maybe 'just' to 6.10 is better; can it be done in synaptic?
[04:20] <justin__> Drew3b: i believe you do it through the update manager
[04:20] <cellofellow> If it were me I'd drop to console only (kill gdm) and do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:20] <cellofellow> using screen.
[04:20] <cellofellow> that way things can't go wrong if the GUI bites the dust or something.
[04:21] <cellofellow> I never upgraded with Synaptic b4.
[04:21] <cellofellow> always apt-get (aptitude makes it too complicated.)
[04:21] <justin__> cellofellow: i did, it didnt work out well
[04:21] <cellofellow> oh?
[04:21] <cellofellow> I have have had to run the dist-upgrade command two or three times to get everything right, but it worked.
[04:22] <justin__> cellofellow: i always just end up downloading the ISO and doing a clean install every release
[04:22] <Drew3b> cellofellow: you had me till "using screen" , it's a step to far for me :-/
[04:22] <cellofellow> screen will just make sure the program will run even if the terminal bites the dust.
[04:23] <cellofellow> and you can use C-a x to lock it up so cats can't bother it.
[04:23] <cellofellow> !screen Drew3b
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screen drew3b - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <cellofellow> bah
[04:23] <cellofellow> !screen | Drew3b
[04:23] <ubotu> Drew3b: screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[04:23] <cellofellow> try the wikipedia link
[04:24] <justin__> cellofellow: do you know anything about VNC's?
[04:24] <cellofellow> Drew3b: screen and twin are both command line "window managers". screen has full-screen windows that can be split up, twin gives you a desktop.
[04:25] <cellofellow> justin__: Nope.
[04:25] <Chikubu> why am i able to ping <IP_ADDRESS> but not localhost? any ideas?
[04:25] <cellofellow> justin__: installed realvnc on a windows box once for remote admin, but never set up a server on linux.
[04:25] <cellofellow> justin__: I generally use xdmcp for lan remote logins.
[04:28] <justin__> cellofellow: i use ssh mostly for now, in hopes to get more familiar with cli
[04:29] <justin__> cellofellow: how much do you know about samba?
[04:29] <odat> how do you add a new nic card on an already installed system?
[04:30] <Drew3b> odat: open the case? :-)
[04:30] <Drew3b> Sorry, couldn't resist :-/
[04:31] <odat> lol
[04:31] <odat> i mean software wise
[04:31] <justin__> odat:  nothing at all
[04:32] <justin__> odat: just click it in a pci slot and roll
[04:32] <cellofellow> justin__: I know enough about samba to know I know little.
[04:32] <odat> so if i threw in a new pci based nic card on a already installed system it should just work?
[04:32] <justin__> cellofellow: lol good answer, well let me ask you if this is possible, and maybe you can set me on my way to figure it out
[04:33] <justin__> cellofellow: I need to be able to set user accounts on the server, and when someone goes to access the server via samba, they must log in via their user names set up, and then the folders they have access to are dictated by their user account
[04:33] <justin__> cellofellow: if that makes any sense
[04:34] <cellofellow> justin__: there's a homes share that you can set up that will share the users home folder to themselves
[04:34] <cellofellow> justin__: by default samba authentication is based on unix authentication, I think.
[04:34] <justin__> cellofellow: ok and what about sharing a second hard drive i have installed on there?
[04:34] <Drew3b> odat: most linux distros auto-detect new hardware.
[04:35] <cellofellow> justin__: add an entry for its mountpoint to smb.conf.
[04:35] <odat> Drew3b, it detects it but it won't use it
[04:35] <justin__> cellofellow: ok so thats simple enough, and what about giving them write access to their home folder and that second drive?
[04:36] <cellofellow> justin__: check this stuff out. It's all on a DVD, and my internet is slow, but these are nice ebooks. http://cellofellow.homelinux.net:8080/~josh/files/Samba/
[04:36] <cellofellow> justin__: um
[04:36] <cellofellow> justin__: it's all possible
[04:36] <cellofellow> justin__: that's easy-school old-hat for Samba I believe.
[04:36] <justin__> cellofellow:  hmm 403 message lol
[04:36] <cellofellow> 403?
[04:36] <justin__> cellofellow: forbidden
[04:36] <cellofellow> huh
[04:37] <justin__> cellofellow: when going to access that link, it gave me a forbidden message, 403 error, you dont have permission to access /~josh/etc,,,,,
[04:37] <cellofellow> oops
[04:38] <cellofellow> umm, that's new
[04:38] <justin__> cellofellow: lol i dunno man
[04:38] <cellofellow> try again
[04:39] <justin__> cellofellow: still got the error
[04:39] <cellofellow> yeah
[04:39] <cellofellow> you wouldn't happen to know how .htaccess works?
[04:40] <justin__> cellofellow: not at all, sorry
[04:41] <justin__> anyway, im off to bed, thanks for the help, looks like i have plenty of reading up to do
[04:42] <Drew3b> odat: I'm Very new to Xubuntu so cant help there,
[04:45] <cellofellow> too bad. I got it working now
[04:51] <FactTech> So... I'm running Xubuntu 6.10 and am thinking of updating to 7.04. Anybody have experience doing this with update-manager? If so, how did it go?
[04:53] <Jester45> whats the name of the printer setup thing
[04:53] <cellofellow> I  don't. I use apt-get. Less can go wrong IMHO.
[04:54] <cellofellow> Jester45: system-config-printer[s]
[04:54] <cellofellow> maybe the s
[04:54] <Jester45> or as windows would say wizard
[04:54] <cellofellow> It is a wizard.
[04:54] <Jester45> thanks
[04:54] <cellofellow> Weird eh?
[04:54] <cellofellow> Jester45: I find it works best as superuser.
[04:54] <Jester45> i dont like using wizard on linux
[04:54] <cellofellow> That one is slow.
[04:55] <cellofellow> I wish there was an easy way to get the cups web interface set up. That's easy to use.
[04:55] <Jester45> i get it setup in 2 mins with system-config-printer
[04:57] <cellofellow> really? I tell it do something, it waits five minutes, then lets me do the next box, then I wait some more, then I have another box. Sometimes I forget what I'm doing and start over.
[04:57] <Chikubu> ok, when xubuntu first starts, it gives you a logon screen....what is that application handling the login called, is it gdm on xubuntu or something else by default? anyone?
[04:58] <cellofellow> it's gdm
[04:58] <Jester45> gdm
[04:58] <Chikubu> ok thank you
[04:58] <cellofellow> configure using gksu gdmsetup
[04:58] <cellofellow> I do like that utility.
[04:59] <FactTech> No upgrade advice from anyone?
[04:59] <Jester45> FactTech, my advice is to reinstall a fresh copy
[04:59] <cellofellow> FactTech: don't do that
[05:00] <cellofellow> want some instructions?
[05:00] <Jester45> thats why i keep /home on a diffrent partition
[05:00] <Jester45> but thats just me
[05:00] <cellofellow> I bit the dust once or twice
[05:00] <FactTech> cellofellow: Well, I saw the step-by-step instructions, just wanted to know if anyone out there had done it and how it worked out.
[05:00] <Jester45> and that i dont want my /home on reiser
[05:00] <Chikubu> the help for gdm alludes to an gui setup - gdmsetup, when i type this in command line it says its not install to use apt-get install gdm to get it, but gdm is already installed....any idea how to get gdmsetup?
[05:01] <FactTech> cellofellow: Is update-manager smart enough to know you want to stick with Xubuntu? The upgrade window text looked like it was going to upgrade to standard Ubuntu 7.04.
[05:01] <Jester45> Chikubu, go menu -> settings -> login window settings
[05:01] <Jester45> and thats the same thing
[05:02] <Jester45> FactTech, it upgrades only packages you have installed so.... if you have only xubuntu installed it will only update that
[05:02] <cellofellow> FactTech: it works, I just use the CLI apt-get instead. less goes wrong.
[05:03] <Chikubu> gdm fails to start on boot, ive had this problem ever since ive upgraded, my swap file also got disabled, but ive got a workaboud for that, the login window settings dosnt do anything because gdm doesnt start, i just get a raw terminal, i can log in and startx, but other things are screwy, like i can no longer change any settings unless im root...network or users and groups ect.
[05:03] <Chikubu> also localhost wont ping
[05:03] <cellofellow> Chikubu: wow
[05:04] <FactTech> Jester45, cellofellow: I think I don't understand something about how the updates work. Are some packages usually "off limits" during updates? If so, are these the ones that will be upgraded if you choose a 7.04 upgrade?
[05:04] <cellofellow> I never had those kind of problems.
[05:04] <cellofellow> FactTech: some packages are off-limits with a normal upgrade, but a dist-upgrade bypasses all of that.
[05:04] <FactTech> cellofellow: I see. Makes perfect sense now. Thanks very much!
[05:04] <Chikubu> ive read about  this (these) bugs and they are verified for some users, something about change in kernel that involved hard drive handling, it somehow lost my uuid info on hard drive
[05:05] <cellofellow> FactTech: if you don't have anything wild and crazy, everything should go as smooth as silk.
[05:05] <FactTech> cellofellow: I don't know enough to make anything too crazy yet. :)
[05:05] <cellofellow> Too many third-party apps will cause trouble (slaps himself)
[05:05] <Jester45> FactTech, its better to upgrade with dist-upgrade because it resolves dependacies better
[05:06] <cellofellow> aptitude is the rock-star at solving dependancies, but when I try to dist-upgrade with it gives me too many choices, so it's the only thing I prefer to use apt-get for.
[05:07] <Chikubu> what are some commands to check version of xubuntu?
[05:07] <cellofellow> just make sure you have the xubuntu-desktop package installed, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal, preferably a screen terminal.
[05:07] <cellofellow> umm
[05:07] <FactTech> Jester45, cellofellow: Thank you both for the tips. I'll give it a shot.
[05:08] <cellofellow> Chikubu: uname -r
[05:08] <cellofellow> tells you what version of linux you have, and each ubuntu version has different linux version.
[05:08] <Jester45> cellofellow, for you maybe :)
[05:08] <Chikubu> that shows the kernel, i was looking for like fiesty or daper
[05:09] <cellofellow> which is it?
[05:09] <cellofellow> 2.6.17 is edgy, 2.6.20 is feisty. I think dapper is 2.6.15
[05:09] <Chikubu> some command that reproted like 7.04 instead of kernel version so i can see if there is a mismatch
[05:10] <cellofellow> um
[05:10] <cellofellow> something in /proc I think
[05:10] <Jester45> Chikubu, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:13] <Chikubu> ok i got gdmsetup installed, i uninstalled gdm and reinstalled, but have to reboot..ugg here goes
[05:14] <Jester45> why do you need to reboot
[05:14] <cellofellow> sudo init 1, then init 2 should be just as good
[05:14] <Chikubu> ah this did it cat /etc/issue
[05:14] <Jester45> Chikubu, you barely ever need to reboot
[05:15] <cellofellow> runlevels keep you from needing that
[05:15] <Chikubu> well it said i need to restart gdm, i wanna reboot and see if it comes up by itself
[05:15] <Jester45> or restarting it
[05:15] <Jester45> like an apache upgrade
[05:15] <cellofellow> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:16] <Chikubu> i wanna see if i get gdm on startup
[05:16] <cellofellow> suit yourself
[05:16] <Chikubu> which i have not been for weeks
[05:16] <Chikubu> cross fingers
[05:21] <Chikubu> well that was good, but a bit weird
[05:22] <Chikubu> i got gdm! but i logoed on and it started to load desktop, then blinked and took me back to logon screen, i logged on again and here i am....strange
[05:23] <Chikubu> ah and now its promting me for admin password like it used to
[05:23] <Chikubu> man this was a bugger, this is an OLD system and when the swap got disabled it was molases getting anything going
[05:24] <cellofellow> Chikubu: sounds like X issues
[05:24] <cellofellow> what video chip?
[05:24] <Jester45> i would say look at your /etc/fstab but that might be too complicated but you can try
[05:24] <Chikubu> well at least i know more about uuid's and fstab files and gdm.config files than i did
[05:25] <Chikubu> na its a kernel bug hitting some systems, theres alot of bug reports about it
[05:25] <Chikubu> i already had to hack fstab to get swap file back
[05:25] <Chikubu> swap partition rather
[05:25] <Chikubu> it seems back to the way it was now
[05:26] <Chikubu> all except i  have less free memory than i used to, if dig around and see whats eating it later, im burned out for now
[05:26] <Chikubu> still cant ping local host, but i dont think it will effect the cups server
[05:27] <Chikubu> what port is the cups sever on again i keep forgeting?
[05:28] <cellofellow> 631
[05:28] <cellofellow> cups works with local sockets on local stuff
[05:28] <cellofellow> I think
[05:28] <Chikubu> ah thanx
[05:28] <Chikubu> that was it
[05:29] <Chikubu> i can hit http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/ but not http://localhost:631 werid....some stuff still needs localhost though, but for now ill work around it
[05:29] <Chikubu> ping says host not found
[05:29] <cellofellow> did you check /etc/hosts ?
[05:30] <Chikubu> some snafu in the wireless and ad hoc network probably
[05:30] <Chikubu> its empty
[05:30] <Chikubu> should i assing <IP_ADDRESS> as localhost?
[05:30] <cellofellow> needs this:
[05:30] <cellofellow> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[05:30] <cellofellow> add that line
[05:32] <Chikubu> yup that did it
[05:32] <Chikubu> lets see if the print manger can connect to server since its stuck on localhost
[05:33] <Chikubu> weird, it lists /var/run/cups/cups.sock now as a server to connect to and localhost but still cant connect
[05:34] <Chikubu> oh well its running, im off to play a game, thanks for help
[06:14] <teratoma> i randomly lose mouse focus forever.... mouse doesn't work... then i have to reboot to get my and keyboard input back .  any ieas?
[06:20] <kalikiana> teratoma, Do you have a bleading edge glib version? If so, that might cause it. If not, no clue. :/
[06:29] <Roger_The_Bum> every time I open up terminal, X reboots and I'm forced to login again
[06:29] <Roger_The_Bum> this is on a new, but freshly updated system
[06:32] <teratoma> yeah im running Gusty
[06:32] <teratoma> gutsy
[06:32] <Roger_The_Bum> same problem?
[06:33] <Roger_The_Bum> I'm fairly sure I'm running feisty
[06:33] <Roger_The_Bum> brb
[06:35] <Roger_The_Bum> yep
[07:27] <Drew3b> Xubuntu 606,  How do you set up the printer?
[09:10] <darkramon> hello
[09:10] <darkramon> i have a question...
[09:11] <darkramon> is there any program for linux to send the same emails to a list of customers?
[09:40] <grub0> hello everyone
[09:40] <grub0> i have dual boot xp/xubuntu ove rmy pc
[09:40] <grub0> i recently formated/installed over my xp installation which deleted grub!
[09:40] <grub0> now i dont have a way to get into linux..
[09:40] <grub0> how should i fix tht
[09:59] <BadRobot> hi there
[10:00] <BadRobot> Does any lnows how to install themes on xmms?
[11:28] <Naughtyboy> Hi guys...got a stupid little problem here.
[11:28] <Naughtyboy> I recently installed wine/steam ...and I got a little entry in the menu with links to Stem e.t.c. Now I have removed/unistalled bot steam and wine...but the entry that is highlighted wont disapear from the menu.
[11:29] <Naughtyboy> http://goto.glocalnet.net/mrazster/menu.png
[11:37] <Naughtyboy> never mind..problem solved
[12:14] <yoochan_> may I ask how to start every session with a blank one (without having each unclosed app poping out at start) ?
[12:16] <totalwormage> you can save a session somewhere
[12:17] <totalwormage> save a blank one :]  and don't 'autosave'
[12:17] <totalwormage> unfortunatly i don't run xfce at this time so i don't know exactly where
[12:19] <xp> hello everyone
[12:19] <xp> im having trouble installing java on my sys!
[12:19] <xp> am using xubuntu 7.04
[12:19] <yoochan_> well I would like but it's impossible to settle a "blank" session... without forgetting to close something O_o
[12:20] <xp> i installed sun java 6 webstart from the "add remove applications" but its still not working!
[12:20] <yoochan_> xp: with jedit for instance, I had to install also java 5
[12:20] <yoochan_> could it be a problem like this ?
[12:20] <xp> yoochan_:  with the 6?!
[12:21] <xp> or do i install the previous one!
[12:21] <yoochan_> did you had a look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_v6.0_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[12:21] <yoochan_> yes, I had to install both... I don't know why
[12:21] <yoochan_> a dependency issu
[12:21] <totalwormage> it's a silly world hehe
[12:22] <yoochan_> but at the end I still had to select java6 as the main JRE
[12:22] <yoochan_> (I don't remember how to select which java version you wanna use)
[02:26] <Roger_The_Bum> did somebody have an answer to my question
[03:01] <firsm> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu, but sudo seems to be broken - I can't start synaptic through the gui even though the password is correct, I can't use sudo from the terminal either, when I prefix something with sudo it asks me for my password and then *nothing*. Any ideas?
[03:05] <TheSheep> firsm: is it the user that was created during the install, or a new one?
[03:06] <firsm> TheSheep: that's the one who was created during the install, yeah
[03:06] <firsm> ahhh actually it's my fault, sorry, I renamed to user in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, sorry
[03:08] <TheSheep> firsm: seems you forgot to also rename it in /etc/group
[03:09] <firsm> right, livecd time I guess :-)
[03:11] <TheSheep> or recovery mode
[03:19] <firsm> okay, works again, thanks.
[03:23] <TheSheep> I didn't do anything :)
[03:23] <firsm> you were pointing me in the right direction :-)
[04:15] <cheeseboy> how do i add printer whats the gui app>??
[04:15] <vinze> Isn't there something in Applications->Settings->Printing?
[04:16] <vinze> I'm not too familiar with printing, but I now that's available
[04:16] <cheeseboy> i dont have that
[04:22] <cheeseboy> help???
[04:23] <r_a_f> cheeseboy: open firefox
[04:23] <r_a_f> address: http://localhost:631
[04:24] <r_a_f> this is cups (common unix printing system) there you can add and manage you printer
[05:11] <rolando> hola alguien habla espaol? tengo un problema con la instalacion de xubuntu
[05:15] <rolando> gracias de todos modos, hasta pronto
[06:13] <hyper_ch> wohoo, another 61 MB upload :)
[06:49] <Mufkatar^AFK> Hello in the #
[06:51] <Mufkatar> Can anyone be so kind as to tell me how to access the OS GUI? I only see a desktop with a few icons, and the right-click menu doesn't do much. Where do I go to set preferences, hardware settings and such?
[06:51] <pleia2> Mufkatar: there should be a "System" option in the right-click menu
[06:51] <wbadger> what hardware settings?
[06:51] <Mufkatar> there isn't
[06:51] <Mufkatar> 4 "Create"s and 1 Desktop Settings
[06:52] <Mufkatar> wbadger: You know, mouse config, display settings, all that stuff
[06:52] <wbadger> Mufkatar, you should have "Settings" as the top entry in your XFCE menu
[06:52] <wbadger> Mufkatar, yeah that stuff is in there
[06:52] <Mufkatar> I don't see it - only 2 tabs, one Appearance, one Behavior
[06:52] <Mufkatar> Seems very limited to just a few windows settings
[06:53] <pleia2> Mufkatar: what version of xubuntu are you using?
[06:53] <wbadger> Mufkatar, you entered "Desktop settings"
[06:53] <Mufkatar> Just downed the 7.04
[06:53] <Mufkatar> Yep
[06:53] <Mufkatar> I know
[06:53] <Mufkatar> That's what I wrote
[06:53] <Mufkatar> It's all I have
[06:53] <wbadger> Mufkatar, in the XFCE Menu, that thingy on your panel usually, you should have the entry "Settings"
[06:53] <Mufkatar> I have no panel
[06:53] <Mufkatar> That's my problem
[06:53] <Mufkatar> I only have a desktop with a few icons
[06:54] <wbadger> Mufkatar, in that case run "xfce-setting-show" in a terminal
[06:54] <Mufkatar> Any idea how to get a terminal? :-)
[06:54] <wbadger> yeah press alt+f2
[06:54] <wbadger> and run it there at least... from the settings manager create a panel
[06:55] <wbadger> Mufkatar, and in any case you can press alt+F2 and run xfce4-terminal to get oone
[06:55] <Mufkatar> Thx
[06:55] <Mufkatar> I haven't installed yet, just booted from it
[06:56] <Mufkatar> So I don't know if that's the reason I got no panel
[06:56] <Mufkatar> Just seems odd
[06:56] <Mufkatar> And clicking panel in the settings manager doesn't seem to do anything
[06:57] <wbadger> Mufkatar, try running xfce4-panel
[06:58] <Mufkatar> Trying
[06:59] <Mufkatar> That got me a panel :-)
[07:00] <wbadger> Mufkatar, nice :) have fun
[07:00] <Mufkatar> Thanks for your help - but how come this happened?
[07:00] <Mufkatar> does this mean I can't rely on the icons in the settings manager to work?
[07:01] <Mufkatar> Will I have to do this every time?
[07:02] <wbadger> Mufkatar, I really don't know, in my settings manager they work.. but at least you got a panel
[07:03] <Mufkatar> Yeah, but I'll have forgotten that command in 2 minutes...
[07:03] <wbadger> Mufkatar, and if you are running the latest xfce you should have a "autostarted applications" setting... maybe you can try putting whatever you need in there
[07:03] <wbadger> Mufkatar, and remembering those commands isnt hard at all... only remember the command for a terminal, then write in it xfce and press tab.. you will get every possible command that starts with xfce
[07:04] <Mufkatar> Don't mean to sound ungrateful, wouldn't have gotten this far without you, but I can't use a system where I have to manually start the GUI every boot...
[07:05] <Mufkatar> But thanks again :-)
[07:06] <wbadger> Mufkatar, np... and I really dont know why this happened to you... I installed xubuntu 7.04 three days ago and it worked fine out of the box
[07:06] <Mufkatar> wbadger: I'm jinxed, that's what it is ;-)
[07:06] <Mufkatar> wbadger: Tried Knoppix, Ubuntu, and now Xubuntu, on 3 different PCs and I always get a raw deal
[07:07] <Mufkatar> Somebody stole my mojo
[07:07] <wbadger> Mufkatar, real strange... does it work well before the installation? (live cd mode?)
[07:08] <Mufkatar> Well, that's the mode I'm in right now with X
[07:08] <Mufkatar> And it works better than Ubuntu did on the same PC
[07:08] <Mufkatar> (old Dell laptop)
[07:08] <Mufkatar> That practically froze on me
[07:08] <wbadger> wow
[07:09] <Mufkatar> Also seems no native WPA support? Bummer
[07:09] <wbadger> do you have any special hardware maybe? a special video card?
[07:09] <Mufkatar> Nah, it's a standard Dell Latitude CPx
[07:09] <Mufkatar> Old, though
[07:09] <Mufkatar> WEP is way too insecure to use
[07:10] <wbadger> I don't know much about that stuff.. my internet connection is wired and worked out of the box (with x\ubuntu)
[07:10] <Mufkatar> only reason I'm installing this is so I can surf wirelessly
[07:10] <Mufkatar> So without it, not much point ;-)
[07:13] <Mufkatar> Not a lot going on in this channel considering all the people connected
[07:13] <wbadger> thats right :<
[07:17] <Mufkatar> Good thing you were here, since none of the 71 others knew the answers to my questions ;-)
[07:18] <wbadger> lol or are just idle.. but I'm not really an expert lucky it was an easy question :P
[07:19] <Mufkatar> I sensed that ;-)
[07:25] <maxamillion> i am trying to eat lunch, typing is currently taking second place :)
[07:31] <Mufkatar> maxamillion: Fair enough ;-)
[07:31] <Mufkatar> wbadger?
[07:31] <maxamillion> Mufkatar: ok, done with the food ... what's up?
[07:32] <wbadger> Mufkatar, ?
[07:32] <Mufkatar> Any idea how to see my current IP and other settings?
[07:32] <maxamillion> Mufkatar: ifconfig
[07:32] <hyper_ch> how stupid is this here?  Sony BMG Music Entertainment is suing the company that developed anti-piracy software for its CDs, claiming the technology was defective and cost the record company millions of dollars to settle consumer complaints and government investigations.
[07:32] <Mufkatar> Can't get the WLAN connected it seems
[07:33] <Mufkatar> hyper_ch: Well it's stupid, but it's true
[07:33] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah, i read it ... i laughed
[07:33] <Mufkatar> Stupid because - well, what did the idiots expect? :-)
[07:33] <maxamillion> no joke
[07:33] <Mufkatar> They're apparently never gonna learn it doesn't pay
[07:33] <maxamillion> "lets reap chaos on the world and then start suing people who try to restore order"
[07:34] <Mufkatar> The network config tool is really poor - it doesn't support WPA, there's no indication of the bitwidth of the passphrase, and it doesn't report whether it connected or not :-(
[07:34] <Mufkatar> It's tough to wean off those Windows-habits
[07:34] <Mufkatar> Like getting feedback when you try something ;-)
[07:35] <hyper_ch> Mufkatar: it's a real pain that you can't bitch about linux that it doesn't tell you what's going wrong and instead gives you some great advice "contact support" ^^
[07:36] <maxamillion> Mufkatar: the network config tool doesn't support wifi generally
[07:37] <maxamillion> Mufkatar: you need to install network-manager-gnome, it will give you a little system tray icon that will make life really easy on you
[07:37] <maxamillion> Mufkatar: info on the app http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ and it is in the repo
[07:37] <maxamillion> !info network-manager-gnome
[07:37] <ubotu> network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 253 kB, installed size 1696 kB
[07:37] <maxamillion> :)
[07:37] <Mufkatar> maxamillion: Already considered that, but I need network for that ;-)
[07:37] <Mufkatar> Catch-22
[07:38] <maxamillion> ah
[07:38] <Mufkatar> hyper_ch: Well, this is support isn't it? :-)
[07:38] <maxamillion> i missed the fact that you have no internet at all, i thought you just couldn't get it on wifi
[07:38] <hyper_ch> Mufkatar: you didn't understand :(
[07:38] <Mufkatar> hyper_ch: Nope, but then you were a little unclear? :-)
[07:39] <Mufkatar> hyper_ch: Was it a dig at Windows?
[07:39] <hyper_ch> Mufkatar: well, I was telling you can't bitch about linux because it gives you good feedback of what's not working.... contrary to windows where you get something like "contact customer support"
[07:39] <Mufkatar> hyper_ch: Windows ain't no miracle, I'll be the first to admit. But if I try something in there, I at least get an EM
[07:39] <Mufkatar> hyper_ch: See, it seems we have opposite experiences
[07:40] <Mufkatar> :-)
[07:40] <hyper_ch> Mufkatar: you can start any program from the command line and see directly its output where it fails... that's much more helpful
[07:40] <Mufkatar> Well, I prefer GUI ;-)
[07:41] <Mufkatar> Commandline is very powerful, but GUIs have much gentler learning curve
[07:41] <hyper_ch> Mufkatar: for debugging use the terminal for starting a programm
[07:41] <hyper_ch> Mufkatar: normally the command to start a program is its application name
[07:41] <Mufkatar> maxamillion: Anyways, I got a regular NW card somewhere, guess I have to dig it out ;-)
[07:42] <wbadger> Mufkatar, wait, you said you tried Ubuntu already right?
[07:42] <Mufkatar> Yup
[07:42] <wbadger> Mufkatar, that means you have the disc?
[07:42] <Mufkatar> Yup
[07:42] <maxamillion> Mufkatar: you just might ;)
[07:42] <wbadger> Mufkatar, I believe the disc can serve you as a repository and maybe it has network-manager-gnome in it
[07:43] <Mufkatar> wbadger: Thanks for the tip, but I'd need to install Xubuntu first, right?
[07:43] <Mufkatar> I can't swap discs while I'm running in Live mode?
[07:43] <Mufkatar> And I'd like to see this work before I install
[07:43] <wbadger> Mufkatar, well thats catch 22 again isnt it..
[07:43] <Mufkatar> But perhaps that is asking too much...
[07:44] <Mufkatar> wbadger: As I mentioned, I can find a regular NW card somewhere I think
[07:44] <Mufkatar> Although I'm not sure I can add apps in Live mode?
[07:44] <wbadger> Not sure either :\
[07:44] <hyper_ch> you can add appsin live mode
[07:45] <wbadger> I believe it should work with small apps but haven't tried it
[07:56] <Mufkatar> Hey guys, I've got the NW card now - but how to force a DHCP refresh?
[07:57] <Mufkatar> Don't sweat it, it autorenewed :-)
[07:57] <Mufkatar> cellofellow: Like your name ;-)
[07:57] <cellofellow> oh, thanks
[07:58] <hyper_ch> hiho cellofellow
[07:58] <cellofellow> hey there
[08:00] <Mufkatar> Rehi wbadger :-)
[08:01] <wbadger> rehi :P
[08:01] <wbadger> went to check if autostarted beryl works... and no
[08:02] <Mufkatar> Which linux IRC client do you guys prefer?
[08:02] <wbadger> im using xchat
[08:02] <cellofellow> xchat or irssi
[08:02] <Mufkatar> I wasn't too happy with gaim
[08:02] <cellofellow> pends on whether I have X.
[08:02] <cellofellow> Gaim I use only now and again.
[08:12] <Mufkatar> OK, that wasn't a resounding success
[08:12] <Mufkatar> All Networkmanager is, is a systray frontend
[08:12] <Mufkatar> Didn't add WPA support
[08:12] <Mufkatar> :-(
[08:12] <wbadger> :\
[08:13] <Mufkatar> It's definitely a tool I'll use if I go ahead, but it's not what I needed
[08:14] <wbadger> what about wpasupplicant ?
[08:14] <wbadger> I dont really know it just found it on google
[08:15] <Mufkatar> !info wpa
[08:15] <Mufkatar> !info system-wpa
[08:15] <ubotu> Package wpa does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:15] <ubotu> Package system-wpa does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:17] <Mufkatar> wbadger: Looks like you're right
[08:17] <wbadger> Mufkatar, but package wpasupplicant exists
[08:17] <Mufkatar> wbadger: But how to add it?
[08:18] <wbadger> Mufkatar, well if you can add networkmanager do this in the same way... sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[08:18] <wbadger> Mufkatar, oh and I see it has a GUI too... so install wpagui too
[08:18] <Mufkatar> I used Add/remove to add networkmanager ;-)
[08:18] <neozen> meep
[08:19] <wbadger> so use the same thing for this...
[08:19] <cellofellow> !wpa
[08:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:19] <wbadger> this article seems to tell how to use it: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsecur/article.php/3594946
[08:20] <neozen> anyone not been helped yet?
[08:20] <wbadger> well neozen do you know anything about beryl and xubuntu?
[08:20] <neozen> nope
[08:20] <neozen> have you tried messing with xfce's builtin compositor?
[08:21] <neozen> might also want to try #ubuntu-effects
[08:22] <wbadger> neozen, no... actually I already figured it out, thanks... apparently beryl did not launch emerald automatically
[08:22] <neozen> ah
[08:22] <Mufkatar> wbadger (and others), thanks for your help & patience :-)
[08:22] <Mufkatar> I'm gonna go out on a limb and install it, then tinker with the Wifi afterwards
[08:22] <Mufkatar> And then - MANY more questions ;-)
[08:22] <wbadger> Mufkatar, good luck
[08:23] <Mufkatar> I'm gonna need it ;-)
[08:23] <godless> wbadger:  I'm running beryl + xubuntu/xfce
[08:24] <Amgine> Where would I find "a valid VM executable" in xubuntu?
[08:24] <godless> kinda like being lightweight and bloaty at the same time
[08:24] <wbadger> nice godless, now I'm too... do you happen to know how to make the panel not-go gray when not in focus?
[08:25] <godless> wbadger:  to tell you the truth I have tweaked it so much I don't even remember what the default looks like :)
[08:25] <godless> go through beryl-settings and play with everything, most of the descriptors aren't good so you have to fiddle to see what does what
[08:25] <wbadger> godless, really? what could you possibly have done... change some animations, maybe the background?
[08:26] <godless> I have adesklet widgets, background, skydome, cap images, customized animation, desktop behaviour, etc etc etc
[08:27] <wbadger> ok nice job
[08:29] <godless> looks something like http://dreaming.org/~rob/test.jpg
[08:30] <godless> although I have fiddled since then
[08:30] <godless> more transparency now
[08:30] <godless> and stuff
[08:31] <godless> It's a lot of nonsense since generally I just have firefox and a bunch of terminal windows but whatever :)
[08:31] <wbadger> lol yeah.. whats with the black and white ?
[08:32] <godless> just where I ended up going I guess.. I like the subdued theme actually
[08:32] <godless> chacun son gout
[08:56] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: Help ;)
[11:18] <Virgile> Hello all... :)
[11:19] <Virgile> i have little problem, if you can help me...
[11:19] <maxamillion> !ask | Virgile
[11:19] <ubotu> Virgile: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:19] <Virgile> i want record sound with ubuntu, in 'entry line' but i dont see the option in control sound
[11:20] <Virgile> (sorry for english i'm french)
[11:20] <Virgile> In windows select 'record' in sound system, after i click in good device... microphone, entry line or stereo mix
[11:20] <Virgile> but in linux i don't see
[11:21] <Virgile> if you have solution for me, i'm very happy :D
[11:22] <cellofellow> Virgile: open xfce4-mixer or alsamixer (in a terminal) and Line In should be an option.
[11:22] <Virgile> hmmm in xfce4-mixer i doesn't see this option
[11:22] <cellofellow> Then Audacity or a similar app should be able to record anything played in to the Line In soundcard port.
[11:23] <cellofellow> Just Line
[11:23] <cellofellow> not Line In
[11:23] <cellofellow> I have Line and Mic inputs.
[11:23] <Virgile> hmmm
[11:23] <Virgile> in alsamixer i see ;)
[11:23] <cellofellow> goody
[11:24] <cellofellow> I like audacity. There's a more advanced app called Aurdour (spelled that wrong) too.
[11:24] <Virgile> hmm i test wait :D
[11:25] <cellofellow> It should just playback through the speakers if everthing is working right, and then Audacity can record that.
[11:29] <cellofellow> !info ardour-gtk
[11:29] <cellofellow> There it is. Ardour
[11:29] <ubotu> ardour-gtk: digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3-1 (feisty), package size 2434 kB, installed size 6620 kB
[11:29] <cellofellow> It's very complicated and powerful.
[11:29] <cellofellow> Audacity is simple and to the point.
[11:31] <Virgile> ok
[11:31] <Virgile> thanks for all :)
[11:31] <Virgile> good bye !
[11:31] <cellofellow> must mean it works
[11:50] <teratoma> I randomly lose mouse control and end up having to restart X to get it back.  how do i do that without killing X ? i'm running xubuntu
[12:07] <kalikiana_> teratoma, What you say is confusing: restarting X w/o killing X? ;) If you don't want to *reboot*, just press ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[12:07] <teratoma> so i log in
[12:09] <teratoma> i do stuff, i move windows around.  if i do crazy stuff like minimizing a window or maximizing a few times... then clicking with my mouse stops working.  i can move the pointer around.  cant click.  keyboard is responsive.  cant select a new window since i cant 'click'.
[12:09] <kalikiana_> teratoma, Do you by chance have a very recent glib version?
[12:10] <kalikiana_> I don't remember the bug number, but there's an error only fixed in trunk.
[12:10] <kalikiana_> ^^ xfce svn trunk that is.
[12:10] <teratoma> im running Gutsy, so I am probably running a recent glib version.  so should i just wait for a while ?
[12:11] <kalikiana_> teratoma, If you have the error I mentioned updating xfce from svn might work. But you would want to check if the bug is completely fixed already. *or* you wait for gutsy guys to update the packages. ;)


[21:01] <teward> has Security seen https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2023-August/005724.html and the corresponding thread?  It relates to OpenSSL updates of a non-security nature but not sure if Security wanted to weigh in
[21:20] <mdeslaur> teward: I'm aware of it, nothing to add
[22:55] <teward> cool just checking


[16:23] <bhechinger> Yeah, windows would flicker, characters on the screen weren't rendering correctly. The whole thing was just weird.


[03:21] <Guest90dcb> plin plin to meet u all
[03:22] <Guest90dcb> tell ubuntu devops
[03:22] <Guest90dcb> something: guaranteed do not get logged/communnicate eachothers linux|drivers|libs(autocontext) nologin|nolink to LOGGED USER ACCOUNT
[03:22] <Guest90dcb> services relations mannaged
[03:23] <Guest90dcb> dma/memory
[03:25] <Guest90dcb> do something keybeboomaker
[03:26] <Guest90dcb> and do not share
[03:32] <Guest90dcb> tmp user nogroup&noSH file viewer|manager
[03:32] <Guest90dcb> accesible by nonroot logged usert
[03:32] <astroo-> here is portuguese language
[03:33] <astroo-> is #ubuntu to english
[03:33] <astroo-> hello
[03:33] <Guest90dcb> tell english ubuntu support team
[03:33] <Guest90dcb> moba foca
[03:35] <Guest90dcb> forward them (encaminhe a mensagens)
[03:36] <Guest90dcb> r there right porguese?
[03:36] <Guest90dcb> *these
[03:42] <astroo-> yes
[03:42] <astroo-> I not go to the english channel
[03:56] <Guest90dcb> launchpad maybe
[03:59] <astroo-> bye I go away
[04:02] <Guest90dcb> yep
[18:30] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[18:33] <denisbr> mirqui, salve
[18:34] <mirqui> e ai denis :) , como vai vc ?
[18:35] <denisbr> mirqui, bem e você?
[18:36] <mirqui> tudo bem graças a deus , uma tarde de sol , muito boa :)
[18:36] <mirqui> e ai , quais são as novas ?


[09:58] <lifeless> !sched syd
[09:58] <lifeless> !schedule
[10:00] <dholbach> @schedule sydney
[10:03] <lifeless> dholbach: thanks:P
[10:03] <dholbach> :)
[10:03] <lifeless> why does software suck so much
[10:03] <lifeless> also, why isn't the asia community membership panel in the schedule
[10:04] <dholbach> lifeless: my thoughts exactly... how can we be part of a revolution if we have to resort to hammers and screwdrivers every time
[10:05] <lifeless> ubottu: this is a meeting channel, folk asking about schedule don't want the definition. And don't talk back to me now?!
[10:05] <lifeless> 19:04 <ubottu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[10:05] <lifeless> ok, that made me laugh
[10:10] <lifeless> and apparently flannel wants to tell me 'about love' :P
[11:54] <aamachu> elky: persia: lifeless: Hi
[11:54] <aamachu> TheM
[11:54] <aamachu> TheMuso: Hi
[11:55] <aamachu> zakame, belutz?
[11:55] <TheMuso> Ampelbein: Hi.
[11:55] <TheMuso> aamachu: hi
[11:55] <lifeless> hi
[11:57] <aamachu> so are you there elky?
[11:57] <aamachu> persia might join us later
[11:58] <aamachu> nizarus: didrocks: ara: Hi
[11:58] <elky> i am here, yes
[11:58] <aamachu> so we are four :-)
[11:58] <ara> aamachu: hellow!
[11:58] <nizarus> hi aamachu
[11:59]  * heno waves
[11:59] <aamachu> and three participants appear to be here already
[11:59] <aamachu> Lets start.. elky, TheMuso, lifeless
[12:00] <nizarus> aamachu, the three we are from the EMEA region
[12:00] <aamachu> Welcome every one for today's meet.
[12:00] <aamachu> nizarus: noticed that from wiki
[12:00] <didrocks> aamachu: hi
[12:00] <didrocks> \o/
[12:00] <aamachu> Amir Eldor: there?
[12:00] <aamachu> Vid_A  ?
[12:01] <aamachu> Reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[12:01] <elky> aamachu, i cant raise vid anywhere
[12:02] <aamachu> elky: ok.
[12:02] <aamachu> nizarus: Please go ahead, sharing with us your contributions for Ubuntu
[12:02] <nizarus> thx aamachu
[12:02] <nizarus> I'm Nizar from Tunisia
[12:02] <nizarus> Linux user since 2000, and ubuntu user since edgy eft (June 2006)
[12:02] <nizarus> My main activities are in the Tunisian Loco Team
[12:03] <nizarus> I was one of first members of the non approved ubuntu-tn team (team created on February 2007 I joined it on June 2007)
[12:03] <nizarus> and I actively participated to mount the ubuntu Tunisian local community by organising irc meetings and with the participation to the Tunisia Software Freedom Day 2007.
[12:03] <nizarus> I was one of the most active members in the preparation of the approval process of our Tunisian Team and we got the approval in July 22 (we are the first approved arabic loco team and second in Africa)
[12:03] <nizarus> Actually I'm the Loco Team Contact and owner of ubuntu-tn and ubuntu-tn-users teams in LP
[12:03] <nizarus> In the Ubuntu-tn Management Committee i'm the coordinator of the International Relationships Group (as i'm the loco team contact). I'm also the assistant in the Secretary Group and Redaction Group.
[12:04] <nizarus> I try to be present as more as possible in ubuntu-tn irc channel, to assist or help Tunisian users
[12:04] <nizarus> I'm also a member of the official Ubuntu Arabic Translators team with a mission to translate main ubuntu package into Arabic language
[12:04] <nizarus> I also have activities in LP especially on translations (Arabic and French), answers and some times reporting bugs.
[12:04] <nizarus> :)
[12:04] <nizarus> (today i have some internet connection trubls hope that it dont disconnect during this meeting : ))
[12:05] <nizarus> and Excuse my English level as it's my third language after Arabic (mother tongue) and French :)
[12:05] <aamachu> nizarus: International Relatioship Team?
[12:05] <aamachu> I can see the link, but unable to get its objectives :-)
[12:06] <nizarus> aamachu, we divided our activites in the u-tn team
[12:06] <nizarus> in many groups
[12:06] <nizarus> the International Relatioship Team is to keep contact
[12:06] <aamachu> nizarus: I would like to know about the role of Internatiol relationships team
[12:07] <nizarus> with other locos and the CCuncil
[12:07] <nizarus> the mission is to keep contact with loco cuncil and other loco teams
[12:08] <aamachu> ok
[12:08] <aamachu> nizarus: how close are you and Rafik in Tunisia? ;-)
[12:08] <nizarus> for example we are in contact to get material ressources given by canonical (loco pack and event packs...)
[12:08] <nizarus> we study in the same town
[12:09] <aamachu> thats coool :-)
[12:09] <nizarus> Rafik he's one of the most active in our team :)
[12:10] <nizarus> and he was recently approved as u-member
[12:10] <aamachu> elky: TheMuso: lifeless: questions for nizarus?
[12:10] <nizarus> oO
[12:11] <aamachu> elky: there?
[12:12] <aamachu> TheMuso: there?
[12:13] <aamachu> lifeless: asking you too..
[12:13] <TheMuso> aamachu: Yes I am here, just having another quick read trying to think of a question, and not having much luck. :)
[12:13] <elky> looks good to me too
[12:13] <nizarus> :)
[12:13] <aamachu> TheMuso: ;-) Hmm... so what are you concluding?
[12:14] <TheMuso> aamachu: I think I'm satisfied.
[12:14] <lifeless> +1
[12:14] <TheMuso> nizarus: +1 from me. You are doing some wonderful work, keep it up.
[12:14] <elky> +1
[12:14] <aamachu> :-)
[12:14] <nizarus> thanks all
[12:14] <aamachu> nizarus: great job! I need one feedback from you on Arabic translation
[12:15] <nizarus> we are working on aamachu
[12:15] <aamachu> how do you differentiate Arabic in Tunisia and Middle East
[12:15] <aamachu> are translators from Tunisia mingling with translators from Middle East?
[12:15] <nizarus> we just need an action plan to be approved by all intervenant
[12:16] <aamachu> hey, just to know how you people manage.. for an information..
[12:16] <nizarus> aamachu, there is a great project for arabic translation
[12:16] <nizarus> arabeyes
[12:16] <nizarus> ther are working to unify arabic transaltion
[12:17] <aamachu> other than that, you are doing great job.. Keep it up :-)
[12:17] <aamachu> +1 from me too...
[12:17] <lifeless> can you guys take this bit offline perhaps ?
[12:17] <nizarus> and it's our reference in arbic countris in africa and middle east
[12:17] <nizarus> thx aamachu
[12:17] <aamachu> nizarus: Welcome!
[12:18] <aamachu> lifeless: :-) its done
[12:18] <aamachu> didrocks: its your time now. Please go ahead..
[12:18] <nizarus> \o/ victory :D
[12:18] <didrocks> hi :)
[12:18] <didrocks> I am Didier Roche from France.
[12:18] <didrocks> I started using Linux with Red Hat 6 in 1999 and ubuntu since the warty release (
[12:18] <didrocks> 4.10)
[12:18] <didrocks> #
[12:18] <didrocks> I am involved in french ubuntu-fr loco team as a member of the administration team and part of the chair (as the secretary) of ubuntu-fr french association.
[12:19] <didrocks> (oupsss, sorry for the paste and copy)
[12:19] <didrocks> I am also the author of Simple Comme Ubuntu, free book (under CC:By-Sa licence)
[12:19] <didrocks> This book is always updated with the last version of Ubuntu. A version to be integrated with Dell PC is in preparation.
[12:19] <didrocks> contribute to french documentation and wrote some wiki pages
[12:20] <didrocks> I also went in Africa for 1 month with a non-governemental organisation, Africedu : (project 2006: Lome, capital city of Togo), shipping in a school 60 computers set up with Ubuntu 5.10 (and upgraded there to 6.06 from on old hard drive!). We made some training there.
[12:20] <didrocks> My main goal now is to promote Ubuntu in France, and particularly in Paris with Ubuntu Party. This is why I am one of the main organizers of Ubuntu events in Paris (like "Ubuntu Gutsy" and recently "Ubuntu Hardy"). In November 2007, 3rd & 4th: Gutsy Party was and amazed party with more than 3 000 visitors in two days.
[12:21] <didrocks> Finally, I try to represent the French community at big events (like RMLL, Linux Solution, Fête de l'humanité, http://paris-libre.org/) or smaller one (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braderie_de_Lille and LibreAcces, festival of free music in Paris where people can download the music from Ubuntu workstation)
[12:21] <didrocks> I am also a mentee in the MOTU mentorship process and begin to package in Ubuntu (see DidierRoche/MOTU/bugsaction)
[12:21] <didrocks> Gave with huats also a talk in the last UbuntuDeveloperWeek#The%20Timetable about patching packages.
[12:21] <lifeless> do you know ddaa?
[12:21] <didrocks> I think that's it :)
[12:21] <didrocks> lifeless: hum, no, sorry, who is he?
[12:21] <lifeless> David Allouche, he was canonicals first french employee :P
[12:22] <didrocks> hum, ok, by name (Nicolas Barcet spoke about him)
[12:22] <didrocks> but not personnaly
[12:23] <lifeless> cool
[12:23] <lifeless> just asking :)
[12:23] <didrocks> lifeless: np ;)
[12:24] <aamachu> didrocks: rocks really :-)
[12:24] <lifeless> anyhow, questions for didrocks ?
[12:24] <didrocks> aamachu: hehe, thanks (the rocks is only a derived of "Roche", not for "rocking" :))
[12:25] <aamachu> ;-)
[12:25] <nijaba> yes, didrocks is a really cool contributor, whom rocks has his last name suggests!
[12:25] <aamachu> elky: TheMuso: questions?
[12:25] <didrocks> thx nijaba :)
[12:25] <TheMuso> aamachu: Not from me./
[12:26] <aamachu> elky: there?
[12:26] <elky> yep. +1
[12:27] <aamachu> didrocks: +1 from me too..
[12:27] <TheMuso> +1 from me also.
[12:27] <lifeless> +1
[12:27] <didrocks> thanks to all \o/
[12:27] <nizarus> congratulations didrocks
[12:27] <didrocks> nizarus: as for you nizarus :)
[12:27] <aamachu> didrocks: all the best and keep rocking :-)
[12:27] <didrocks> aamachu: for sure, will try ^^
[12:28]  * nijaba applauses
[12:28] <nizarus> didrocks, ;)
[12:28] <ara> congrats didrocks!
[12:28]  * didrocks hugs everyone (yes, now that I am in the hugging word) :)
[12:28] <didrocks> s/word/world
[12:29] <aamachu> didrocks: The wiki portrays you work clean :-)
[12:29] <aamachu> fine...
[12:29] <aamachu> ara: its your time now
[12:29] <ara> ok, thanks aamachu
[12:29] <ara>  I am Ara, from Spain.
[12:29] <ara> I have been using Linux since 1998, Ubuntu since Feisty.
[12:30] <ara> I am part of the Canonical QA Team, focused on the Desktop tests automation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop)
[12:30] <ara> I have started the Ubuntu Desktop Testing project, http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-testing, which aims to create a nice framework to run & write desktop tests for Ubuntu
[12:30] <ara> based in LDTP, an automation framework based on the AT-SPI layer. For that reason, I keep an active communication with the upstream team of LDTP
[12:30] <ara> Also, as part of this effort, I participated in the Ubuntu Developer Week with a testing automation session: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[12:30] <ara> I maintaing a blog about Ubuntu testing: http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/, that is on planet LDTP and planet.ubuntu-women.org
[12:31] <ara> One of my main goals is to get new people to the testing community
[12:31] <ara> For that, I try to keep the documentation in the wiki up to date to help people getting involved in Ubuntu testing automation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/HowToUseTestingLibrary
[12:31] <ara> Also, we are starting to organize ubuntu testing days
[12:31] <ara> Yesterday we organize our first Testing day, but we are planning to organize one for every development release
[12:31] <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20080922
[12:32] <ara> also, i am daily in #ubuntu-qa and #ubuntu-testing, for support and coordinating testing efforts
[12:32] <ara> s/#ubuntu-qa/#ubuntu-quality
[12:33] <ara> I think that's it for me :-)
[12:33] <aamachu> ara: How frequent are you planning to have the UbuntuTestingDay?
[12:33] <aamachu> every Deelopment Release?
[12:34] <ara> aamachu: we want to have it for every development release, yes
[12:34] <ara> aamachu: first was for alpha6, next one will be for beta release
[12:34] <heno> (so every milestone in fact)
[12:34] <ara> heno: yep
[12:35] <elky> is this an extention of the isotesting stuff?
[12:35] <aamachu> ara: ok
[12:35] <ara> elky: what exactly?
[12:36] <ara> it is like hugdays for the bugsquad activity. this would be "our" hugday in the iso testing world :-)
[12:37] <elky> ara, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[12:37] <ara> yes, see above
[12:37] <lifeless> ara: did I meet you in prague perhaps ?
[12:37] <ara> lifeless: I was there :-) so yes, maybe :-)
[12:38] <TheMuso> I met ara at the London office in July.
[12:38] <ara> TheMuso: yes, in the kitchen in fact :-)
[12:38] <leoquant> lol
[12:38] <aamachu> :-)
[12:38] <lifeless> anyhow, +1
[12:39] <TheMuso> ara: Yes.
[12:39] <TheMuso> +1 also.
[12:39] <lifeless> though its kindof on the should-be-motu line for me, its a clear contribution
[12:39] <aamachu> ara: awaiting for info on next session at #ubuntu-classroom
[12:39] <elky> agreed, +1
[12:39] <aamachu> +1 from me too
[12:39] <aamachu> Welcome ara!
[12:39] <ara> thanks all :-)
[12:40] <didrocks> congrats ara :-)
[12:41] <aamachu> so let me call other two, svaksha & amireldor?
[12:41] <aamachu> and appears Asia Oceania Board meeting facilitates EMEA more ;-)
[12:41] <nizarus_> thx aamachu for your wonderful job
[12:41] <aamachu> elky: TheMuso: lifeless: anything else to share?
[12:42] <TheMuso> Not from me.
[12:42] <elky> nope
[12:42] <aamachu> nizarus: Welcome :-)
[12:42] <lifeless> all good
[12:43] <aamachu> ok fine then..
[12:43] <didrocks> thanks to all for having facilitated the EMEA board :)
[12:43] <ara> yes, thank you!
[12:43] <aamachu> thank you every one participating...
[12:43] <aamachu> ara: didrocks: nizarus: Welcoming all of you yet again!
[12:44] <aamachu> Lets keep rocking..
[12:44] <nizarus_> don't worry aamachu :)
[12:44] <didrocks> aamachu: :)
[12:44] <aamachu> Our next meeting on 01 Oct 2008, 11.00 AM UTC
[12:44] <aamachu> elky: lifeless: TheMuso: Bye
[12:47] <lifeless> ciao
[12:48] <ara> bye, bye
[15:01] <Keybuk> mdz: ?
[15:08] <Keybuk> no TB today, mdz cannot make it
[15:19]  * ogra wonders why TB still doesnt show up on the fridge cal ...
[15:19] <ogra> i mailed them weeks ago and they agreed to put it up
[15:57] <zul> hello
[15:57] <sommer> yo
[15:58] <nealmcb> o/
[15:59] <kirkland> howdy ya'll
[15:59] <zul>  jambo bwana
[16:00] <soren> o/
[16:00] <mathiaz> all right folks
[16:01] <mathiaz> thanks for being around a see yall next week, same time, same place
[16:01] <kirkland> adios
[16:01] <nijaba> o/
[16:01] <sommer> heeh
[16:01] <zul> kwahari bwana
[16:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02]  * nealmcb cheers for mootbot
[16:02] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080916
[16:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu vm builder
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu vm builder
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: how is it going ?
[16:03] <soren> Good, thank you.
[16:03] <soren> :)
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: awesome - ready for the next phase ?
[16:03] <soren> Err... I honestly don't remember what changed since last week.
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: have you written a blog post ?
[16:04] <soren> Yeah. I've finally posted the blog thing, so with a bit of luck, the bug reports should start trickling in now.
[16:05] <mathiaz> nijaba: what about the tutorial ?
[16:05] <mathiaz> sommer: have you looked at the virtualization section update ?
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: should be pretty much good to go
[16:06] <sommer> mathiaz: after soren's blog, it needs something about xen though
[16:06] <sommer> at least a wink and a nod :)
[16:06] <mathiaz> sommer: excellent.
[16:06] <nijaba> mathiaz: I have not have time to move a lot on it while at VMworld, but I have worked a bit on VMbuilder so that missing functions that I need are now there
[16:07] <mathiaz> nijaba: great - so you consider it feature equivalent to ubuntu-vm-builder ?
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: ^^ ?
[16:07] <nijaba> mathiaz: I need to do a final check, but yes, I beleive it will be
[16:08] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder
[16:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder
[16:09] <soren> mathiaz: It still neeeds a few things, but it will be really soon.
[16:09] <nijaba> mathiaz: Soren was also talking about providing a wrapper to uvb to call the new one seemlessly
[16:09] <soren> Right.
[16:10] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add on vm-builder ?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:11] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: reviewed the RAID section ?
[16:11] <sommer> yeppers
[16:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: return true;
[16:11] <mathiaz> Koon: what about tomcat ?
[16:11] <mathiaz> sommer: and I still haven't looked at the ldap section
[16:12] <Koon> section drafted, reviewed and uploaded by sommer
[16:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide
[16:12]  * soren apologises for keeping people waiting. I had a knock on the door :(
[16:12] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else on the documentation front ?
[16:12] <sommer> I think things are pretty much good to go
[16:12] <sommer> had a question about the automatic security updates?
[16:13] <sommer> does that use cron, unattended-upgrades?
[16:13] <mathiaz> sommer: I think it installs unattended-upgrade
[16:14] <sommer> mathiaz: I didn't see it during my testing
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: not sure though.
[16:14] <nijaba> sommer: yes it does
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: you could ask the installer team about it
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: or look at the code
[16:15] <sommer> mathiaz: where is the code?
[16:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you remember the name of the component in d-i ?
[16:15] <nijaba> sommer: all of it is in the cron it install, IIRC
[16:15] <sommer> cause I'm pretty sure I selected automatic security updates, and didn't see unattended-upgrades installed
[16:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's the same one that deals with landscape-client
[16:16] <sommer> nijaba: ah, I might be looking in the wrong place then
[16:16] <nijaba> sommer: then that sounds like a non working feature
[16:16] <nijaba> because I believe u-a should be installed as a result
[16:17] <sommer> nijaba: that's cool, I'll update the installation section to that affect
[16:17] <mathiaz> sommer: I can't find it anymore
[16:17] <sommer> mathiaz: no problem I can do some digging later
[16:17] <mathiaz> sommer: I'd go to #ubuntu-installer and ask about it there
[16:18] <kirkland> mathiaz: pkgsel
[16:18] <sommer> mathiaz: will do
[16:19] <mathiaz> sommer: ^^ pkgsel
[16:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you have branch url somewhere ?
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: ??? apt-get source pkgsel
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgsel/ubuntu
[16:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: ah right - I'm always looking at the bzr branch :D
[16:20] <mathiaz> sommer: anyway - there is good chance you'll find the code above ^^
[16:20] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else for the documentation ?
[16:21] <sommer> mathiaz: I think that's it
[16:21] <kirkland> sommer: if you do find a bug, file it against pkgsel and subscribe me
[16:21] <sommer> kirkland: okay
[16:22] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it
[16:22] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:22] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] nagios3 in main
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  nagios3 in main
[16:22] <mathiaz> Koon: ^ ?
[16:23] <Koon> mathiaz: no good so far, had trouble getting a hold on archive admins. nijaba resent a mail recently
[16:23] <Koon> MIR/archive-fixing work is less priority than Ffe processing at that point
[16:24] <Koon> if nobody moves on the email, i'll ping them tomorrow
[16:24] <mathiaz> Koon: have you checked if nagios3 was seeded somewhere ?
[16:24] <Koon> mathiaz: it's not. nagios2 is still in server-ship
[16:24] <mathiaz> Koon: right - so we need to fix that.
[16:25] <Koon> mathiaz: in which order ?
[16:25] <mathiaz> Koon: IIRC we came to the conclusion that we wouldn't need a MIR for nagios3.
[16:25] <Koon> so we can just fix the seed ?
[16:25] <mathiaz> Koon: well - that step 5 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[16:26] <mathiaz> Koon: step 6 is when the archive admin actually does the move from universe to main
[16:26] <Koon> mathiaz: ok, so someone with powerz[tm] needs to fix the seed to do s/nagios2/nagios3
[16:27] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - I can do that
[16:27] <Koon> (there still is the problem with hardy but that's outside the scope of this agenda item)
[16:27] <mathiaz> Koon: I think we should still file a bug explaining why nagios3 doesn't need a MIR
[16:27]  * mathiaz nods
[16:27] <Koon> mathiaz: i can do that
[16:27] <mathiaz> Koon: and point to the MIR for nagios2
[16:28] <Koon> (tomorrow)
[16:28] <mathiaz> Koon: great - once done ping pitti or doko so that can approve the bug
[16:28] <mathiaz> Koon: so that the archive admin can process the bug quickly
[16:29] <mathiaz> Koon: once you've filed the bug I'll update the seed.
[16:29] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved
[16:29] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2
[16:30] <mathiaz> Anything else from last week meeting ?
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Beta Freeze
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta Freeze
[16:32] <mathiaz> As you may know we're preparing for the Beta release of intrepid
[16:32] <mathiaz> that is schedule for Thursday next week
[16:32] <mathiaz> so we'll enter Beta Freeze this thursday
[16:33] <mathiaz> That means iso testing will be more than welcomed
[16:34] <mathiaz> #ubuntu-testing is the place to hang out to follow the daily builds
[16:34] <mathiaz> The testing team will probably use a two phase approach:
[16:34] <mathiaz> with the first batch of isos produced this week used for smoke testing
[16:35] <mathiaz> and then another batch of isos produced early next week
[16:36] <nxvl> mathiaz: do we have bugs milestoned for beta?
[16:38] <mathiaz> nxvl: yes - but I don't find the url right now
[16:39] <mathiaz> nxvl: I'll ask aroung and put the url in the minutes
[16:39] <nxvl> ok
[16:39] <nxvl> :D
[16:39] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:40] <mathiaz> something to add ?
[16:40] <zul> mathiaz: ill poke slangasek about that patch for samba 3.2.4 today
[16:40] <nijaba> Server survey should be up by tomorrow
[16:40] <wst> ebox is completely broken in intrepid
[16:40] <wst> are there any plans to fix that?
[16:40] <mathiaz> wst: have you tried to version from the ebox-dev ppa ?
[16:41] <wst> no will do that
[16:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: are you in touch with the marketing team ?
[16:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: is the launch plan up-to-date ?
[16:42] <nijaba> mathiaz: a bit, was about to send them an announce.
[16:42] <mathiaz> wst: great - foolano asked for sponsoring of ebox into universe
[16:42] <mathiaz> wst: IIRC he was uploading the package to a PPA
[16:42] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes, the plan is up to date, AFAIK and Canonical is issuing a press release
[16:43] <mathiaz> zul: great - keep in mind that Thursday is Beta Freeze
[16:43] <foolano> mathiaz: yep, they are in our PPA. I have to run some automatic tests to see if there's any issue with the latest uploads
[16:43] <zul> mathiaz: yep
[16:43] <mathiaz> zul: but it's not a big issue if 3.2.4 gets in after Beta
[16:43] <mathiaz> foolano: do you have url for the PPA ?
[16:43] <zul> mathiaz: its --><-- this close
[16:44] <wst> just found it launchpad.net/~ebox-unstable
[16:44] <foolano> that's it
[16:45] <mathiaz> wst: foolano: great - could you report if things are working correctly ?
[16:45] <foolano> sure, i'm gonna run the tests right away
[16:46] <mathiaz> Anything else to add ?
[16:47] <wst> will try, never used ebox before actually but will see what happens
[16:48] <sommer> foolano: I just started getting into the ebox code, but if there's anything I can do to help, feel free to ping me
[16:50] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:50] <nealmcb> I finally posted minutes from the server team meeting a few weeks ago, fwiw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080819
[16:51] <mathiaz> nealmcb: great ! Did you send them to the ubuntu-server@ ml ?
[16:51] <nealmcb> nice to see mootbot back - good to have a friend :)
[16:51] <nealmcb> mathiaz: time has moved on... but if you think it would be helpful
[16:51] <foolano> sommer: thanks, I'm writing a new tutorial, more like a step-by-step guide
[16:52] <mathiaz> nealmcb: true - at least it's on the wiki page.
[16:52] <nealmcb> yup
[16:52] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I may push them to the server blog though
[16:52] <nealmcb> nothing seems to still be useful for a current topic.  that sounds good
[16:52] <nealmcb> helps to have the history anyway
[16:53]  * mathiaz nods
[16:53] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:54] <mathiaz> same time, same place, next week ?
[16:54] <sommer> sure
[16:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: can i add one thing?
[16:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: sure
[16:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: thought it might be worth mentioning that you posted a poll last week to ubuntu-server@ ML
[16:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - I haven't set up a pool in LP
[16:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: no, but you asked for feedback on the ML
[16:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: but send out a request for feedback for the encrypted directory step in the installer
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you want to add something in the meeting ?
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: we may run out of time
[16:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh, sorry, just "vote!"
[16:56] <kirkland> ;-)
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: It seems that discussion is still going on the ml
[16:57] <kirkland> that's all
[16:58] <mathiaz> great - so see you all next week
[16:58] <mathiaz> same time, same place
[16:58] <nealmcb> thanks!
[16:58] <mathiaz> thanks for coming and happy beta testing !
[16:58] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.
[17:03] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all