[01:54] <nigel_nb> hey, anyone here?
[01:57] <jtniehof> yep. what's up?
[02:06] <nigel_nb> does open office support docx editing?
[02:07] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: check out bug 494813, as far as I know it doesn't
[02:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494813 in openoffice.org "problem with subscript/superscript font while editing .docx files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494813
[02:08] <jtniehof> last I checked, it tries to handle it, but poorly
[02:08]  * jtniehof grubs around a bit
[02:08] <nigel_nb> I remember being able to open it
[02:09] <nigel_nb> but being able to save.... thats news to me
[02:10] <jtniehof> yep, right there on the save as dropdown
[02:10] <jtniehof> and sure enough, superscript doesn't stay
[02:11] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: thank you, I'll confirm it, but I guess its upstream
[02:11] <nigel_nb> another new sign up
[02:12] <jtniehof> hmmm. I'll try it in Windows and see
[02:28] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: reported upstream :)
[02:28]  * nigel_nb finds it irksome joining so many bug trackers
[02:31] <nigel_nb> interesting bug 494758
[02:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494758 in evolution "Evolution incorrectly reports dates in the near future" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494758
[02:31] <nigel_nb> I dont know about everyone else, but I dont generally get mails in the future
[02:36] <jtniehof> nigel_nb: did you check the upstream build of OO? not seeing the docx saving on Windows, going to pull the upstream linux build next
[02:37] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: I reported the bug upstream, so they'll take care
[02:54] <nigel_nb> When a bug is reported against the current release, but is fixed in the dev release (not reproducible), is the bug considered fixed?
[02:55] <micahg> nigel_nb: if you can reproduce it in the reported release or there is a changelog/upstream changelog entry for the devel release
[02:56] <nigel_nb> bug 493250, I could reproduce it before the last update to ubuntu (now I realize) in karmic
[02:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 493250 in software-center "Ubuntu Software Center doesn't list GoldenDict when searching for 'dictionary'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493250
[02:57]  * micahg sees it in karmic
[03:00] <micahg> nigel_nb: maybe ask to try again...I see it down the list
[03:00] <nigel_nb> micahg: yeah me too, I remember checking it out and not seeing it.
[03:03] <nigel_nb> micahg: check out bug 494758
[03:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494758 in evolution "Evolution incorrectly reports dates in the near future" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494758
[03:04] <nigel_nb> I dont even know if its worth wishlisting, I mean, that is almost impossible to reproduce (and isn't it worthless to fix)
[03:07] <jtniehof> nigel_nb: docx saving is not present in upstream, so it's not an upstream bug (maybe deactivated in standard build b/c they're still working on it)
[03:08] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: oops
[03:08] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: which means its only on the repos?
[03:08] <jtniehof> yeah, checking Debian now, to see if it's in the debian build
[03:08] <nigel_nb> it should be
[03:09] <nigel_nb> because the build is 5ubuntu (I think, lemme check)
[03:09] <micahg> nigel_nb: the evo bug isn't a bug, the date displayed was correct based on the header information
[03:09] <nigel_nb> I'll close it as invalid then
[03:09] <jtniehof> it's 5ubuntu1, so there are changes between debian and ubuntu
[03:09] <micahg> nigel_nb: be sure to explaiyn wh
[03:09] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: openoffice.org-core 1:3.1.1-5ubuntu1
[03:10] <nigel_nb> micahg: I'll paste what I'm going to say first
[03:10] <nigel_nb> dont wanna get flamed to the sky
[03:10] <micahg> nigel_nb: pastebin
[03:10] <nigel_nb> sure :)
[03:10] <nigel_nb> micahg: as such, we've been getting flamed to much ;)
[03:11] <dtchen> eh, come talk to me about being flamed after you've done Ubuntu audio for a few years
[03:12] <nigel_nb> dtchen: hehe, I forget we've got some veterans at getting flamed ;)
[03:14] <dtchen> I've been very close to writing off Ubuntu completely because of it
[03:17] <nigel_nb> micahg: whoa that was one hell of a flame
[03:17] <nigel_nb> "The Ubuntu bug triage “process” is worse than useless" --- whoa :O
[03:18] <jtniehof> dtchen: I found pulse a royal pain for several revisions, but there's no excuse for the stuff people said when you'd try to post information
[03:18] <jtniehof> at this point, it's settled down to something very nice
[03:24] <nigel_nb> micahg: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2008/10/29/ubuntu-quality/ is the best I've seen as a reply to a flame :)
[03:24] <nigel_nb> oh about the evo bug, how is it not a bug?
[03:25] <jtniehof> nigel_nb: docx is in Debian sid, oo.o-writer 3.1.1-8, and the super/sub bug is present there. So might be worth filing on the Debian package
[03:25] <micahg> nigel_nb: evo and every other client determines the time from the header in the email which the sending client adds
[03:25] <nigel_nb> jtniehof: will do :) thanks for tracking it down
[03:26] <nigel_nb> micahg: okay
[03:26] <nigel_nb> the current date is 12/9/09
[03:26] <nigel_nb> the date in the header is 12/11/09
[03:26] <nigel_nb> and its saying tomorrow
[03:26] <nigel_nb> so isn't it wrong?
[03:27] <micahg> oh...
[03:27]  * micahg needs to read...
[03:28] <micahg> nigel_nb: I would ask for the date line from the header...I"m guessing it's a timezone issue
[03:28] <jtniehof> anyhow, g'night folks
[03:28] <nigel_nb> oh, will do
[03:29] <micahg> nigel_nb: if said friend was +12 from user, time would be correct
[03:29] <micahg> nigel_nb: also ask for user's timezone
[03:29] <nigel_nb> micahg: so I'll ask him to paste the time from the header?
[03:29] <nigel_nb> okay, will do
[03:55] <LimCore> I found incredible stupid bug in kerneltop application, how to get it's fixed version to ubuntu?
[04:02] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  Greetings.  Do you have a moment?
[04:03] <LimCore> I sent a patch to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kerneltop/+bug/486218  please apply it
[04:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486218 in kerneltop "kerneltop reports wrong map line on 2.6.31-14-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:05] <micahg> LimCore: we don't apply patches in here...someone in -motu would
[04:06] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: sure
[04:07] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  I am looking at bug #494810 .   S/he is trying to view a specific movie that uses Windows Media Player.   I don't know if their use of a proprietary format constitutes a bug?
[04:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494810 in firefox-3.5 "I can't see the video stream in the site" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494810
[04:08] <LimCore> micahg: can you set bug priority? the application seems to be useless - it does not work at all with ubuntu kernels due to bug in application
[04:11] <micahg> LimCore: done
[04:12] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: I'm not sure, the user has the totem plugin for x-ms-asf
[04:12] <dogatemycomputer> micahg: so do I..  but it never actually plays..
[04:13] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: well, I can test from home later
[04:13] <LimCore> thanks micahg
[04:13] <micahg> LimCore: np
[04:14] <dogatemycomputer> micahg: I believe it is actually a website coding error.  The reason I believe so is because it fails to specify the FQDN of the movie in the link.  If you attempt to view it then it dumps out an error indicating the location of the video is invalid (not the video itself).
[04:15] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: if that's the case, then the user should report it to the website, but I can't test that now
[04:16] <dogatemycomputer> micahg: I'll leave the bug alone for the moment.   It plays fine on Windows with WMP but that still does not mean it is a bug.
[04:22] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  thank you for your time!
[04:22] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: np
[04:53] <dogatemycomputer> greg-g:  do you have a moment?
[04:56] <dogatemycomputer> I am new to triaging bugs.   Could someone tell me if it is appropriate for multiple bug reports to be submitted on the same bug?
[04:56] <dogatemycomputer> ..  multiple un-related bug reports submitted on the same bug.
[06:35] <^arky^> When is the ubuntu bug hug  day starting ?
[07:01] <Wimbuntu> hi guys i need some help on ubuntu 9.10 , ubuntu error main process 735 , x doesn't startup , anyone able to help out there
[07:02] <nigel_nb> Wimbuntu: if u are facing a problem and you need help, please ask in #ubuntu
[07:03] <Wimbuntu> Hi Thanks mate , sorry newbie
[07:03] <nigel_nb> Wimbuntu: no problem, I've been there too :)
[07:14] <thekorn> good morning
[07:58] <fujimitsu> alright, kernel updates ready .. time for bacon
[08:01] <nigel_nb> thekorn: good morning :)
[08:02] <nigel_nb> though its kinda like afternoon here ;)
[08:02] <thekorn> hehe, good "kinda like adfternoon" to you, nigel_nb
[08:02] <nigel_nb> hehe
[08:07] <nigel_nb> thekorn: can you check out a bug for me? donno what to do next
[08:07] <nigel_nb> bug 411229, can't reproduce with my camera, so what do we do? a trace?
[08:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 411229 in f-spot "f-spot import folder structure wrong time zone" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411229
[08:08] <thekorn> nigel_nb, sure
[08:12] <thekorn> nigel_nb, first of all I would ask the reporter to run  apport-collect 411229  to make it a proper apport styled bugreport
[08:13] <thekorn> let me start f-spot to try to understand the reporter's problem
[08:13] <nigel_nb> there is no hook for f-spot :(
[08:13] <nigel_nb> we donno if its camera specific, f-spot specific, or camera+f-spot specific
[08:18] <thekorn> nigel_nb, hmm, maybe I don't completely get what this report is about, but maybe it is a duplicate of bug 175191
[08:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 175191 in f-spot "f-spot changes timestamp in an incorrect way" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175191
[08:19] <thekorn> this bug also has a upstream bugreport linked
[08:21] <nigel_nb> thekorn: there is a patch
[08:21] <nigel_nb> I could try and pester someone to get a debdiff for lucid or teach me how to do that, does that help?
[08:24] <thekorn> nigel_nb, looks like the author of this patch already has build a package with this patch in his PPA
[08:24] <thekorn> https://edge.launchpad.net/~smcgrath23/+archive/f-spot/+packages
[08:24] <nigel_nb> so, what would be the ideal next step?
[08:25] <thekorn> ask the reporter to install the version from this PPA, ask him to confirm if this package fixes his issues
[08:25] <thekorn> if so, mark your bug as a dupolicate of the other one
[08:26] <nigel_nb> I already asked him for apport-collect
[08:26] <thekorn> super
[08:26] <nigel_nb> shall I tell him to forget it or say this after the apport-collect?
[08:31] <thekorn> nigel_nb, tell him to use the PPA after running apport-collect, running apport-collect is not a big thing and nice to have
[08:32] <nigel_nb> thekorn: I'll not mark it dup now, coz it will flood the other bug with a lot of noise, I'll just leave a comment
[08:32] <nigel_nb> what if he doesn't know how to do a ppa, I'll just tell him its a dup and there is a ppa version and test it
[08:32] <thekorn> nigel_nb, right, mark it as dup if the patched package fixes is issue
[08:33] <nigel_nb> thekorn: how do we get the ppa into the actual release?
[08:34] <thekorn> you mean the package from this PPA, if it is confirmed it morks better than the version we have in karmic?
[08:38] <nigel_nb> thekorn: yep
[08:39] <nigel_nb> thekorn: a, it would be nice to learn how to do it.  b, it would be nice to get it fixed
[08:41] <thekorn> nigel_nb, we have the SRU (stable release update) process to get bug fixes into stable releases
[08:41] <thekorn> you can read more about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[08:41] <nigel_nb> thank you
[08:42] <thekorn> nigel_nb, but there are two more important steps: try to convince upstream to either adopt this patch, or provide a different solution
[08:42] <thekorn> and fix this bug in lucid first
[08:42] <nigel_nb> thekorn: so that we dont branch from upstream
[08:43] <thekorn> right, we should try to keep the diff to upstream as small as possible
[08:43] <nigel_nb> I'm talking about fixing it on lucid, if at all
[08:43] <thekorn> which makes the product easier to maintain on our side
[08:43] <nigel_nb> yea, I read up the process some time back
[08:44] <nigel_nb> but with main software, getting it working is an important factor too isn't it
[08:45] <thekorn> nigel_nb, I'm sorry, I have to do some other stuff right now, will be back in a few hours,
[08:45] <thekorn> keep on asking questions, I'm sure others are able to answer them too
[08:45] <nigel_nb> thekorn: I'm off to catch some sleep
[08:45] <nigel_nb> catch ya later :)
[08:45] <nigel_nb> thanks a lot for the help thekorn :)
[08:46] <thekorn> no problemo, sleep tight ;)
[13:04] <TLE> hey guys
[13:05] <TLE> I was wondering about bug 246205
[13:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 246205 in ca-certificates "Wordcommunitygrid Message "Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates."" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246205
[13:05] <TLE> it has been fixed for intrepid and jaunty, but the problem exist now again in karmic, I thought that those fixes would automatically trickle down
[14:48] <bddebian> Boo
[15:33] <greg-g> heya dogatemycomputer, Sorry. I was with out power last night (my IRC session is on a server I connect to). Just saw your message. To answer your question: no. Un-related bug should be submitted in separate bugs. Otherwise it would be next to impossible to actually track the progress on anything.
[15:33] <greg-g> dogatemycomputer: so, if someone did that, politely ask them to open separate bugs for each issue.
[15:33] <greg-g> dogatemycomputer: and of course, if they sound like support requests, have them open them on answers.launchpad.net instead
[16:17] <malev> hi! how are you foks! I'm comming for the hug day :D I'm gonna read a little about it and the I wanna help here
[16:21] <thekorn> what, we have a bugday today? /me goes getting the mail
[16:22] <thekorn> oh, it's on compiz
[16:22] <thekorn> happy hugday everybody!
[16:22] <malev> haha!
[16:23] <malev> hey, how can I find if a bug is duplicated?
[16:26] <malev> I wanna learn about the work at the bugsquad, can anyone help me. for example I'm looking at the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/492271
[16:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 492271 in compiz "ubuntu 9.10 totally freezes when compiz is enabled" [Undecided,New]
[16:27] <thekorn> malev, to be honest, I think finding out if a bug is a dup of another one is one of the hardest things to start with,
[16:27] <thekorn> because it needs some understanding of how the software works, at least in some cases
[16:27] <malev> thekorn, oks! thanks for that!
[16:27] <thekorn> malev, looking at this bug now
[16:27] <malev> thekorn, yes i think like you about that
[16:28] <malev> thekorn, you are investigating this bug too? excelent! maybe you could teach me! :D
[16:28] <hggdh> malev: also, you do not need to ask for help -- just ask your question. We are here to help triagers
[16:29] <thekorn> hey hggdh
[16:29] <hggdh> hi thekorn hope life is good for you. Here life is extremely cold (-20C)
[16:29] <thekorn> hggdh, och, are you at the noth pole?
[16:29] <malev> hggdh, hi! -20C where are you?
[16:29] <thekorn> north
[16:30] <nperry> That is cold :)
[16:30] <hggdh> that:-) Chicago area, US, right now
[16:30] <thekorn> hggdh, just wanted to complain about the weather here +1C and *alot* of rain
[16:30] <thekorn> hggdh, ah, have heard about it in the news today
[16:30] <hggdh> ah, at least no rain today :-)
[16:31] <malev> hggdh, well Buenos Aires is 26C :D :D :D
[16:31] <hggdh> and, since my hotel is about 750m from  the customer, I decided I would walk (instead of renting a car). Real bad choice
[16:32] <hggdh> but -- back to business -- malev: tahnk you for helping. We appreciate it.
[16:33] <malev> hggdh, don't worry.
[16:33] <thekorn> malev, ok, back to your bug. WeatherGod has been very active lately traiging bugs, and he has commented on the bugreport, saying he is waiting for similar reports
[16:33] <thekorn> I think it is still on his radar
[16:33] <hggdh> (and a bit of OT) I was down nearby Rio the week before... 40C!
[16:33] <thekorn> so maybe you are safe to just skip this one and go to another one ;)
[16:34] <hggdh> yes. And chat with WeatherGod on questions about this (and similar) bugs
[16:34] <malev> excelent! now I'm with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/491770 and it also has apport. but of course, I can't reproduce it in my machine
[16:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491770 in compiz "compiz cube rotate mouse pointer lost" [Undecided,New]
[16:35]  * hggdh does not deal with X, and compiz...
[16:35]  * thekorn neither
[16:35] <thekorn> malev, but this one is easy,
[16:35] <thekorn> it should be fixed by now
[16:36] <malev> ... why?
[16:36] <malev> easy to ...?
[16:36] <thekorn> there was an issue in kubuntu with two x-server running
[16:37] <malev> so it's duplicated?
[16:37] <thekorn> hmm, I'm unable to find the related bugreport right now
[16:37] <malev> thekorn, I'm gonna look for it, don't worry
[16:38] <thekorn> malev, not sure if this is a duplicate, but there might be the same cause
[16:38] <thekorn> malev, in such cases it makes sense to ask the reporter to update the system, and check if this issue is still happening
[16:39] <malev> thekorn, oks! well I'm gonna ask that!! thanks
[16:41] <thekorn> malev, I *think* this is the bug I mean, bug 491483
[16:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491483 in gdm "Since failsafe-x was enabled in karmic it starts if gdm is disabled and kdm is used. (low graphics mode error)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491483
[16:47] <malev> thekorn, what's about this answer to bug 491770    http://pastie.org/737492
[16:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491770 in compiz "compiz cube rotate mouse pointer lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491770
[16:48] <nperry> malev: I would still mark it as a duplicate - imho
[16:48] <thekorn> malev, super, change it to [...]fixed care (bug 491483)[...] - this will make it a clickable link in your comment
[16:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491483 in gdm "Since failsafe-x was enabled in karmic it starts if gdm is disabled and kdm is used. (low graphics mode error)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491483
[16:49] <malev> nperry, thekorn oks! thanks you two! I'm gonna mark it as duplicated too :D
[16:49] <thekorn> my personal opinion here is: only mark it as duplicate if you are sure, to avoid additional bugmails to the subscribers of the potential master and its dups
[16:51] <malev> ready! now i guess i have to paint green the row in the wiki :D I'm really happy this is my first bug work :D
[16:52] <thekorn> malev, there are three things which should also be done by you: you should subscribe to the bug you commented on (to get notofied when the reporter answers your question)
[16:53] <thekorn> set the status to "incomplete"
[16:53] <malev> oks!
[16:53] <thekorn> and mark the entry on the hugday wiki page in green
[16:53] <hggdh> malev: you may want ot look at hugday-tools also
[16:53] <thekorn> haha, yeah
[16:54]  * thekorn is suprised this little tool is still working
[16:55]  * hggdh is happy it still works ;-)
[16:57] <malev> so, I have to run:  hugday init --user malev --cookie /home/malev/.mozilla/firefox/zhucgzuk.default/cookies.sqlite     ?
[16:57] <malev> and :  hugday close 491483   ?
[16:59] <thekorn> malev, exactly
[17:00] <thekorn> maybe you have to also run   hugday current --remember  after running the hugday init command
[17:01] <thekorn> otherwise you have to always run   hugday close 123456 --date 20091210
[17:01] <malev> I'm going for launch, i come back in a while
[17:02] <thekorn> super, thanks for your help
[17:45] <malev> hi! is anyone here?
[17:47] <persia> malev: Lots of people, but you'll get a more specific answer to a more specific question.
[17:49] <hggdh> heh
[17:50] <malev> well here is the thing. I've been working on bug 491770  and I'm getting: RuntimeError: You are not allowed to change the content of 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091210'. Plase run 'hugday init' and try again.
[17:50] <malev> but I thing is something about "persmisos" I can't remember how to translate that word :S
[17:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491770 in compiz "compiz cube rotate mouse pointer lost" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491770
[17:52] <nperry> Hummm 4171 incomplete bugs alot of them are old, going to do some housekeeping by invaildating them
[17:56] <hggdh> malev: permisos?
[17:56] <hggdh> (or permissos, don't remember)
[17:57] <pedro_> hggdh, i'm trying to solve the issue with malev by priv
[17:57] <pedro_> spanish speaker, so might be faster that way
[17:57] <hggdh> pedro_: OK. But it sounded liker permissions
[17:58] <pedro_> hggdh, yeap that's the translation
[17:58] <pedro_> looks like he wasn't logged into the wiki
[17:58]  * pedro_ reading the instructions
[17:58] <malev> hey! i wasn't that difficult persmisos = permissions :D
[18:00] <pedro_> will update the doc, there's nothing about logging into the wiki first
[18:02] <malev> YESS!! I make it!! haha I'm happy :D :D :D
[18:02] <malev> thanks pedro_ and hggdh
[18:02] <pedro_> malev, rock on! if you have any further question just ask here at the channel
[18:03] <malev> pedro_, I will don't worry :D
[18:04] <pedro_> ;-)
[18:08] <thekorn> ohja, right, of course, you need to login to wiki.ubuntu.com first, before being able to use the hugday tool
[18:12] <malev> Me again! I'm looking at bug 451974 I can't reproduce it, but I've tried. It has a lot of information and it has apport. And I've seen other bugs about totem and compiz, but they are focus con crashing when returning from full screen mode.
[18:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451974 in fglrx-installer "Black video minimizing Totem window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451974
[18:12] <malev> the question: what can I do?
[18:12] <malev> :D
[18:17] <malev> the bug was reported in october, maybe there is a solution if he upgrade.... I don't know
[18:21] <thekorn> malev, I'm not sure about this bug. But to give the reporter the feeling of working on this bug, and given the fact that he used a pre release version of ubuntu karmic, I think it makes sense to ask if this is fixed on an up-to-date system
[18:21] <malev> thekorn, thanks! I'm taking care of it right now!
[18:21] <thekorn> super
[18:45] <nperry> Is there a patricular way on triaging ubuntu-one bugs?
[18:47] <persia> nperry: Upstream is active enough with Ubuntu that it's probably worth creating upstream tasks fairly quickly (but you might want to confirm that with upstream first)
[18:49] <nperry> How would i go about that persia?
[18:50]  * persia checks the upstream docs to find the right channel
[18:50] <thekorn> they have an rc channel
[18:50] <thekorn> #ubuntuone
[18:50] <thekorn> I think
[18:50] <Pici> Yes.
[18:50] <persia> That's what I think too, but I wanted to check their website to confirm.
[18:51] <persia> OK.  Three of us is enough to skip checking :)
[18:51] <thekorn> hehe, yeah
[18:51] <persia> nperry: Go check on #ubuntuone if they want us to do anything special, and let us know :)
[19:11] <malev> well my friends. I'm taking of for now!
[19:11] <malev> thanks to everbody and have a nice day
[19:13] <nperry> #ubuntuone said most of the bugs they've had in the last couple of days are dups
[19:14] <nperry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne#Bug%20Triage apport uploads everything the devs need :)
[19:15] <persia> nperry: Cool.  Thanks for checking and passing on the pointer.
[19:16] <hggdh> hum. This link should be in our wiki (cannto check now, real slow wiki connection)
[19:17] <nperry> Would you like me to add hggdh as im there now?
[19:17] <hggdh> nperry: yes, please
[19:22] <nperry> Done :)
[19:25] <hggdh> nperry, thank you
[20:53] <WeatherGod> hey, is anyone here triaging compiz bug reports related to systems hanging?
[21:31] <WeatherGod> bug 487519 can probably be marked as "Triaged"
[21:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487519 in compiz "“window previews” plugin leaves garbage on screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487519
[21:31] <WeatherGod> the OR gives very detailed description of the bug and screenshots to supplement it
[21:32] <WeatherGod> there really isn't anything more someone can do, except confirming it
[21:33] <hggdh> ?
[21:33] <hggdh> WeatherGod: did you reproduce it (just curious)
[21:34] <WeatherGod> I don't use Compiz
[21:35] <WeatherGod> my graphic cards are too weak
[22:09] <WeatherGod> hggdh, do you think I should flag bug 487165 as a possible security issue?
[22:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487165 in compiz "screensaver unlock dialog under other windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487165
[22:10] <WeatherGod> he can't seem to reproduce it yet, but the fact that it happened once shows that it is possible
[22:11] <hggdh> looking at it
[22:11] <WeatherGod> it should at least also be linked against the gnome-screensaver
[22:14] <hggdh> WeatherGod: please wait. It takes for even and ever, hallelujah, etc, for a page to load here
[22:14] <WeatherGod> heh
[22:16] <WeatherGod> is nperry around?
[22:17] <persia> WeatherGod: /names will give you a complete list (not right now that I see)
[22:17] <WeatherGod> sometimes people have different sigs here than they do for launchpad
[22:18] <WeatherGod> so I just wanted to double-check
[22:18] <hggdh> well. There is a clear security/privacy issue here -- whatever windows that are open on the foreground would be visible. The severity could be discussed, though
[22:18] <hggdh> add to it the fact that has not been repeated...
[22:19] <hggdh> WeatherGod: you can always ask at #ubuntu-hardened
[22:19] <WeatherGod> maybe the gnome-screensaver people can come up with some other possible ways to cause this?
[22:19] <WeatherGod> you mean, ask if they think it is a security issue?
[22:21] <hggdh> persia: WeatherGod yes. I consider it a potential one (at the minimum, affecting privacy)
[22:21] <hggdh> persia: heh You been here the whole day? don't you sleep ;-) ?
[22:21] <persia> Wait.  What!
[22:21] <hggdh> what?
[22:22] <persia> hggdh: I have discovered the secret of ubiquitous presence: bip.
[22:22] <hggdh> LOL
[22:22] <persia> What's the potential security issue with gnome-screensaver?
[22:22]  * persia was looking through that code just in October
[22:22] <WeatherGod> bug 487165
[22:22] <hggdh> not with g-ss (which I do not even know it is involved), but with the unlock dialog being *under* active windows
[22:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487165 in compiz "screensaver unlock dialog under other windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487165
[22:23] <WeatherGod> ok, maybe not gnome-screensaver... what ever it is that locks screens
[22:23] <hggdh> :-)
[22:24] <WeatherGod> I am used to my screen locking to be tied to my screensaver, so it was the first thing I thought of
[22:24] <hggdh> WeatherGod: the point is we do not know what Chris is using for that. It is *probably* g-ss, but not necessarily
[22:24] <WeatherGod> well, he said he suspended his laptop (presumedly by closing the lid)
[22:25] <hggdh> so, before we add a task for g-ss, we need to ask Chris what is it s/he is using
[22:25] <WeatherGod> so, power-manager?
[22:25] <hggdh> e.g. kubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, etc
[22:25] <WeatherGod> oh, well, the picture shows Gnome
[22:26] <WeatherGod> well, an odd config, maybe
[22:26] <hggdh> I did not even try to open it. It would take 30 min to load the beast :-(
[22:26] <WeatherGod> dunno...
[22:26] <WeatherGod> the top toolbar looks like gnome... but everything else isn't what I am used to seeing
[22:27] <WeatherGod> ok, I will ask
[22:28] <persia> RIght.
[22:28] <persia> It is gnome-screensaver that locks the screen.
[22:28] <persia> But it is *supposed* to raise the screensaver window over all other windows.
[22:28] <persia> And it grabs *all* XInput events
[22:29] <WeatherGod> well, he said that he could not interact with any of the windows
[22:29] <WeatherGod> so that is still good
[22:29] <persia> And then it passes some selected XInput Events to other modules linked with XEmbed (e.g. keyboard, memo pad, unlock dialog).
[22:29] <WeatherGod> but, what if the screensaver fails?
[22:29] <maco> crappy that his stuff's visible though
[22:29] <persia> WeatherGod: Supposedly it won't fail
[22:29] <WeatherGod> or even crashes?
[22:29]  * persia looks for the relevant rant
[22:29] <maco> then it unlocks
[22:29] <WeatherGod> lovely
[22:29] <persia> screensaver is architected not to be able to crash
[22:30] <maco> i have on quite a few occasions unlocked my screen by going into a tty and kill -9'ing the screensaver
[22:30] <persia> xscreensaver almost really can't ever crash
[22:30]  * WeatherGod headdesk
[22:30] <maco> i use killall on kscreenlocker pretty often since kscreenlocker often rejects correct passwords
[22:30] <persia> (well, an individual screensaver will crash, but that just drops back to the controlling process which either dispatches another one, reloads the crashing one, or does a blank screen, depending on config
[22:30] <persia> gnome-screensaver uses more libraries, so might be a bit more vulnerable.
[22:31] <persia> Right.  See http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScreensaver/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Have_you_read_and_understood_http:.2BAC8ALw-www.jwz.org.2BAC8-xscreensaver.2BAC8-toolkits.html.3F
[22:32] <WeatherGod> personally, I would program it to stop the screen saver (if one is on)... and take control of all X display... making them black
[22:32] <WeatherGod> then only display the dialog when needed
[22:32] <persia> Anyway, I'm unsure of the right place for the bug.  It sounds like a problem with the master window.  Either it's compiz not respecting the application's request for a full-screen top-level window and grab of *all* XInput events, or it's gnome-screensaver failing to make the call in a failsafe way.
[22:32] <persia> WeatherGod: IT's stacked.
[22:32] <persia> So it takes control of the display and makes it black.
[22:33] <persia> And then it runs (as an embedded process with trapped crashes) the screensaver as yet another window over the blocking controlling window.
[22:33] <WeatherGod> ah, I see...
[22:33] <persia> This way if the actual screensaver display code crashes the underlying desktop isn't (supposed to be) exposed.
[22:33] <WeatherGod> I was getting a bit mixed up in my thinking
[22:33] <persia> But clearly there's some issue with the interaction there that means that jwz's rant applies.
[22:34] <hggdh> but persia is right, anyway -- this is proably not a screensaver issue but an X one (somewhere)
[22:34] <persia> hggdh: No.
[22:35] <persia> It is *definitely* a bug in one of: gnome-screensaver or compiz.
[22:35] <hggdh> you state compiz due to the transparency?
[22:35] <persia> There's a small chance it might be a bug with X, but that would be a protocol-level bug, which sort of thing tends to be glaringly obvious in lots of ways.
[22:36] <persia> I don't know if compiz entirely follows the normal manner of window managers
[22:36] <hggdh> oh beauty. My PuTTY download is going at 56 bytes per second
[22:36] <persia> So I can't rule out that it might be permitting transparency of the full-screen gnome-screensaver window that's supposed to hide the screen.
[22:37] <WeatherGod> interesting thought
[22:37] <WeatherGod> however, how did the dialogue box get behind the terminals?
[22:38] <persia> But it could also be an issue with gnome-screensaver having some bug in an underlying library somewhere (although I'm more inclined to suspect compiz given the typical paranoia of screensaver developers)
[22:38] <persia> Weather Window Manager sorting issue?
[22:38] <persia> Appearance of the windows is supposed to be controlled by the window manager
[22:38] <persia> Full screen applications still respect that, but are supposed to be given the full screen.
[22:39] <persia> Going full screen and then grabbing all XInput Events *should* mean that it's impossible to access the screensaver.
[22:39] <persia> s/screensaver/window manager/
[22:39] <persia> Now, if one were to implement a window manager such that it grabbed the full screen and drew a GL environment there
[22:40] <persia> And grabbed all the XInput events to pass to the virtual windows in this GL environment
[22:40] <persia> and provided a workaround to let applications appear to be full screen and appear to grap input while still keeping them within the GL display, it might not work as expected.
[22:41] <persia> But I don't really know how compiz works: I'm just speculating about a design that would be able to circumvent gnome-screensaver.
[22:41] <persia> I certainly hope that's not how compiz works.
[22:42] <WeatherGod> the security people are a little exasperated about another "compiz breaking screensaver" issue
[22:42] <WeatherGod> hehe
[22:43] <persia> It happened before?
[22:43] <hggdh> weird is docky, shown apparently as having foreground
[22:43] <WeatherGod> "kees: is it for an older release?  there were similar bugs fixed in intrepid, IIRC"
[22:44] <WeatherGod> isn't docky supposed to do that?
[22:44] <persia> Yes, but it's not supposed to be able to override the screensaver :)
[22:44] <WeatherGod> key word: *supposed*
[22:44] <persia> Indeed.
[22:46] <kees> WeatherGod: namely: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-537-2 and http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-688-1
[22:47] <WeatherGod> lastly, before I leave for the day... I have noticed some bug reports for bug day seems to have already been dealt with by Pedro or Neil Perry, but was not closed on the hug day list
[22:47] <WeatherGod> should I do something about that, or what?
[22:47] <persia> Ugh.  With the way those are written, compiz does appear to be architected in a way at least potentially similar to that I outlined above :(
[22:53] <WeatherGod> ok, gotta run... probably will be on later tonight
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> compiz contains a hack to unredirect the screensaver window unconditionally on NVIDIA hardware. i wonder if that should just be extended so that it's unredirected unconditionally for everybody
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> it would probably stop things like that happening
[22:55] <persia> chrisccoulson: I think there's a *very* strong possibility that there should be such a hack.
[22:55] <persia> The difficulty then lies in identifying when a given process is a screensaver.
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> persia - i will discuss this with Amaranth
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> identifying the screensaver window is easy, as it sets WM_NAME
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> the hack was implemented to work around a specific bug in the nvidia driver, but it might be beneficial to just unredirect the screensaver for everybody
[22:56] <persia> chrisccoulson: So, if I have a program called slkdfj, is it a screen saver?
[22:57] <persia> I think it would be beneficial, because the screensaver tries to do an unconditional grab on a top-level full-screen window to be secure.  Any way around that is a security issue.
[22:57] <persia> (and it's likely that the compiz code paths are less well audited than any screensaver codepath)
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> persia - sorry, i had to disappear
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> the current patch in compiz identifies any window with WM_NAME=gnome-screensaver
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> that is set in GDK when the window is created, based on the string returned from g_get_application_name()
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> but applications can override that
[23:12] <persia> chrisccoulson: That's probably sufficient, as compiz mostly only gets used for GNOME.
[23:12]  * persia thinks
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> it might be beneficial for screensaver windows to identify themselves by setting a property on the window, which screensaver developers could agree to between themselves
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> rather than needing to identify every possible screensaver by their name
[23:13] <persia> I can see an alternate DoS attack using that hack, but I think the risk of needing to reboot is less than the risk of exposing information.
[23:14] <persia> That's a nifty idea, but not something that likely can be done in the short-term, as it requires lots of people to agree.
[23:15]  * chrisccoulson wonders what happens if gnome-screensaver calls gdk_window_set_override_redirect()
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> i don't know if compiz will then unredirect it
[23:16] <persia> I think a real solution needs to sort out the architectural issues.
[23:16] <persia> If compiz is grabbing the entire display and mitigating everything, it ought take responsibility for locking.
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> yeah, possibly
[23:17] <persia> Mind you, it might not be so well audited, but I think trying to apply workarounds is a recipe for falling behind.
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> we've had quite a few screensaver issues this cycle
[23:17] <persia> It doesn't really need screensaver code: it could just run the screensaver as an embedded process.
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> one of them being a crash when entering your password incorrectly 5 times
[23:18] <persia> which means that any password works if tried 6 times?
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> persia - it didn't crash every time, but i could reproduce it
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> but it's fixed now anyway:)
[23:18] <persia> Did you happen to compare the behaviour with metacity vs. the behaviour with compiz?
[23:19] <chrisccoulson> for the crash?
[23:19] <persia> Yeah.
[23:19] <chrisccoulson> the crash wasn't related to the window manager. it was a race between the lock dialog process and the main gnome-screensaver daemon
[23:20] <persia> Um, that shouldn't be able to happen because the lock dialog is an embedded process of the main gnome-screensaver.
[23:20] <persia> Or else my understanding of gnome-screensaver is completely wrong.
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> the lock dialog process is a completely separate process. gnome-screensaver reparents the lock dialog drawable in to the main window with XEMBED
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> the crash was triggered because gnome-screensaver tried to create a pixmap derived from the lock dialog drawable, which had just been destroyed because the lock dialog process exitted
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> and that triggered an X error
[23:22] <persia> Ugh.
[23:23] <persia> Given that bug, I'm less sure of the response to jwz's rant I pointed to earlier.
[23:23] <chrisccoulson> which one was that? (i've not looked at the whole scrollback)
[23:24] <persia> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScreensaver/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Have_you_read_and_understood_http:.2BAC8ALw-www.jwz.org.2BAC8-xscreensaver.2BAC8-toolkits.html.3F
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we actually handled the issue in gnome-screensaver, by adding some synchronization between the 2 processes to avoid the race
[23:26] <persia> which isn't ever supposed to happen :)
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> but it's actually been fixed also in GTK now, by not creating pixmaps derived from foreign windows in the code path where the bug occurred
[23:26] <persia> "... This way there is no transfer of grabs to cause a race condition. " :)
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i slightly disagree with the idea that running things in separate processes eliminates race conditions :)
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> but it does mean that the main gnome-screensaver daemon doesn't use much GTK really
[23:28] <persia> Which is actually a good thing, just because GTK is 1) complex and 2) subject to GTK extensions
[23:29] <persia> (mind you, these are *good* things for non-screensavers)
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> it is. i find GTK issues quite hard to track down ;)
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> like the screensaver crashes
[23:30] <persia> Indeed.  I like to think I'm fairly good with stacktraces, but the GTK ones nearly always baffle me.
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too. but in the case of X errors, xtrace makes it a bit easier :)
[23:30] <persia> Yep :)
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> it's often obvious why the error occurred without trying to interpret the stacktrace


[05:30] <ghostnik11> i have a program that i had to install using sudo make install. now i can call the program from terminal, but i want to put the program in the dock so i don't have to go to terminal each time to use it. how can i
[23:16] <bashfulrobot> Ghostnikll : you would need to create a desktop file.
[23:18] <bashfulrobot> This is just some background on the spec itself. https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
[23:18] <bashfulrobot> But I find this article a little more approachable.
[23:18] <bashfulrobot> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_entries


[00:00] <Xodiac13> jpds: i didnt start downloading anything with torrentflux i just took a look at it
[00:01] <jpds> OK, no idea what could be the problem.
[00:01] <Xodiac13> jpds: and one time it switched ip adresses
[00:48] <marks256> how do i list what file system is on a parition?
[00:50] <jpds> marks256: 'mount' ?
[00:51] <marks256> jpds, it's not mounted. i need to know what fs it is so ic an mount it
[00:53] <jpds> marks256: devkit-disks --show-info /dev/sdNN
[00:56] <marks256> jpds, devkit-disks errors out
[00:56] <marks256> something about nto being able to connect to the system bus
[00:57] <jpds> 13
[00:58] <jpds> marks256: Hmm, and mount doesn't automatically find the filesystem?
[00:59] <marks256> jpds, there is no reason it should. the drive is not mounted. i need to know the file system so i can add it to fstab
[01:01] <marks256> jpds, got it. used parted.
[01:02] <marks256> m
[01:19] <Neut>
[02:43] <bep> what is a good dlna server app? ive read good things about fuppes but it was last updated in 2007
[03:48] <marks256> how can i partition a drive ext4?
[17:27] <cverde> Hi, I was wondering whether anyone could tell me the difference between `export -a` and `export -r`?
[17:33] <cverde> exportfs, even.
[17:43] <cverde> Whoops..    This is a v-hosted system
[22:57] <jmarsden> jeeves_Moss: Sounds like your postfix init script is trying to run a nonexistent command... did you or someone else modify it?  WHat version of Ubuntu Server are you running?
[22:58] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, I inhearited this mess from another guy.  I think he installed it from source, and I've tried to move it to the repos
[22:59] <jmarsden> jeeves_Moss: Did you remove /etc/init.d/postfix before you installed the packaged version of postfix?  Or could it still be a "from source" version lurking there?
[22:59] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, I don't remember killing that script.
[22:59] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, let me have a quick look though
[23:00] <jmarsden> Then I'd suggest going around ( save any custyom config files you need, then sudo apt-get purge postfix, then rm anything left of postfix at all, in /etc and in /usr/local, and then  sudo apt-get install postfix )
[23:04] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, http://moseley.ca/postfix
[23:06] <jmarsden> That's the same as mine, so the change / error is somewhere else.  Did you remove /etc/postfix/postfix-script before your package install?
[23:12] <jmarsden> jeeves_Moss: In my /etc/postfix/postfix-script there is code that removes the quiet- prefix from the command arguments sent to postfix; if your postfix-script is different and lacks that code that could explain the error you are seeing.
[23:13] <jeeves_Moss> jmarsden, ahhhh, thanks.  I'll have a look again


[03:10] <Newfie_rich> hey all, I am having problems complining a java program... it give me
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> MultiplicationGame.java:92: cannot find symbol
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> symbol  : class KeyboardReader
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> location: class MultiplicationGame
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> 		KeyboardReader kb = new KeyboardReader();
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> 		^
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> MultiplicationGame.java:92: cannot find symbol
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> symbol  : class KeyboardReader
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> location: class MultiplicationGame
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> 		KeyboardReader kb = new KeyboardReader();
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> 		                        ^
[03:10] <Newfie_rich> 2 errors
[05:45] <Torikun> Hello
[05:46] <Torikun> Java Backup imaging solution for Ubuntu: http://mephistobackup.webhop.org
[21:39] <Leon_Nardella> Hi. Is there a way to install sun-java6-sdk without user interaction?


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[02:11] <jgrimm> thanks robru!
[02:12] <robru> jgrimm: you're welcome
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[09:49] <vigo> oSoMoN, ping
[09:49] <oSoMoN> hey vigo
[09:49] <oSoMoN> what’s up?
[09:49] <vigo> :)
[09:49] <vigo> this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1545088
[09:49] <vigo> should be fixed in rc?
[09:52] <oSoMoN> vigo, no, it has incorrectly been added to the milestone, it was fixed in oxide 1.20, and rc has oxide 1.19
[09:53] <vigo> oSoMoN, ack
[09:53] <vigo> thanks!
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[11:18] <rvr> jgdx: This mp needs review https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-settings-components/filepicker/+merge/300180
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[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Successfully built
[12:33] <vigo> popey, ping
[12:33] <vigo> :)
[12:34] <vigo> I found a couple of things on calculator
[12:34] <vigo> https://trello.com/c/vjKvdHg4/3948-2416-calculator-popey
[12:35] <vigo> would you mind taking a look?
[12:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Dependency wait (zesty/qtubuntu-print). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src, zesty/qtbase-opensourc
[12:47] <popey> vigo: ok, thanks.
[12:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2424 Generating diffs
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2424 Successfully built
[13:03] <vigo> popey, it targets xenial in bileto but should be tested there or in vivid?
[13:10] <popey> vigo: vivid
[13:11] <vigo> popey, in vivid looks better that cursor bug does not happen, so good to go
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- popey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2416 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:28] <popey> yay
[13:28] <popey> thanks
[13:31] <Mirv> ubuntu-qa: please allow https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2360 into the queue, only KDE autopkgtests are failing that are not maintained by Kubuntu team
[13:33] <Mirv> ahayzen: ^ your printing patches to qtbase, xenial + zesty
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient)
[13:40] <jibel> Mirv, will that go in the ubuntu-app-platform snap too?
[13:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv ahayzen mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2360 QA Signoff: Ready
[13:47] <Mirv> jibel: it will, in the way expained (whenever the next platform snap is built after landing this to the overlay PPA)
[13:47] <Mirv> jibel: platform snap is just a copy of packages from overlay PPA
[13:48] <Mirv> one could also build a platform snap locally with both overlay and the ticket included, but I think LP allows to specify only one PPA
[13:48] <Mirv> if you need such a snap to test with, please indicate in the ticket/trello and I'll see to it.
[13:49] <jibel> Mirv, okay, I'm trying to figure out the best way to test the snap when a package it depends on changes
[13:53] <ahayzen> Mirv, thanks :-)
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Preparing packages
[14:08] <camako> trainguards, hello, britney seems to have failed on ticket# 2369. I think the problem is that regression on zesty. But I can't find in the log what is failing. Can you help? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2369/zesty.html
[14:14] <greyback> camako: looks like a flaky unity8 autopilot test on i386 has held you up
[14:14] <greyback> mzanetti: qmltestrunner::OrientedShell
[14:14] <greyback> that was the flaky test you were working with, no?
[14:15] <mzanetti> greyback, yes
[14:15] <mzanetti> well, there's many in there
[14:15] <mzanetti> but yeah, one in there was flaky
[14:15] <mzanetti> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/stabilize-orientedShellTest/+merge/315674
[14:16] <greyback> MirSurface[0xaafe178,"Primary Orienteds window title"]])
[14:16] <greyback> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::OrientedShell::test_lockPhoneAfterClosingAppInSpreadThenUnlockAndRotate() function returned unexpected result
[14:16] <greyback>    Actual   (): false
[14:16] <greyback>    Expected (): true
[14:16] <greyback>    Loc: [/usr/share/unity8/tests/qmltests/tst_OrientedShell.qml(1250)]
[14:16] <greyback> mzanetti: look familar? ^
[14:16] <greyback> if so, is ok to have trainguard push it through
[14:17] <mzanetti> greyback, yeah, that's the one
[14:18] <greyback> camako: ok, it is a flaky unity8 test holding USC - it should be ok otherwise
[14:18] <greyback> mzanetti: thanks
[14:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Currently building (xenial/content-hub). Dependency wait (zesty/qtubuntu-print). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Pending binary packages (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Ready to buil
[14:18] <camako> greyback, mzanetti, ok good to know... Is this an autopilot test or one of qmluitests?
[14:18] <greyback> camako: qmluitests
[14:18] <camako> greyback ok that's what I tought
[14:18] <mzanetti> greyback, that said, this only fails in britney, not our CI or anywhere else. I could reproduce it here by running 10 instances of this test in parallel and stressing my system and with the branch it's passing. This, however, implies that I can not be 100% sure yet if it will pass in britney with my branch. but if it fails again I'll do more work on it...
[14:19] <greyback> mzanetti: understood
[14:19] <mzanetti> in any case, it's not a regression caused by someone and it's ok to aks trainguards to push things through
[14:20] <camako> mzanetti, greyback, thanks
[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Preparing packages
[14:21] <camako> trainguards, can you help me push ticket #2369 through.... Britney seems to have failed due to a flaky test that mzanetti is working on.
[14:25] <camako> sil2100, can you help me push ticket #2369 through.... Britney seems to have failed due to a flaky test that mzanetti is working on.
[14:25]  * mzanetti confirms
[14:25] <camako> sil2100, .... or should I be asking someone at #ubuntu-release?
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Dependency wait (zesty/qtubuntu-print). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-p
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2404 Preparing packages
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Preparing packages
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2424 Publishing packages
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2420 Generating diffs
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2424 Proposed pocket
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Dependency wait (zesty/qtubuntu-print). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Su
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Preparing packages
[15:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2420 Diff missing
[15:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2420 Successfully built
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2404 Pending binary packages (xenial/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity8)
[15:54] <vigo> ahayzen, ping
[15:55] <ahayzen> vigo, pong
[15:55] <vigo> I'm testing silo 2360
[15:57] <vigo> test plan says to install silo 2236
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2236 Dependency wait (zesty/qtubuntu-print). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src, zesty/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-p
[15:58] <ahayzen> vigo, hey, i've written some instructions here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23899982/
[15:59] <camako> Any trainguards around to help push ticket #2369?
[15:59] <vigo> ahayzen, cool thanks!
[15:59] <ahayzen> vigo, you basically need the deb of qtubuntu-print installed, and then try launching the editor kate with and without QT_PRINTER_MODULE=qtubuntu-print set. Let me know if you run into issues/need any more info
[15:59] <camako> trainsguards, it 's failed britney due to a flakey qtmir test
[16:00] <camako> trainguards, rather ^
[16:00] <ahayzen> vigo, (obviously with the packages in 2360 installed as well)
[16:00] <sil2100> camako: let me take a look
[16:01] <sil2100> (was in meetings, sorry)
[16:02] <camako> np, thanks sil2100... Here's the IRC log discussion about it : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23899998/
[16:02] <sil2100> camako: hm, I don't see sign of QA signing it off?
[16:02] <sil2100> Did they?
[16:02] <camako> sil2100, no it's failed at the britney stage
[16:02] <sil2100> camako: I guess we need to poke the QA team in this case so they include it in the queue
[16:03] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, vigo: hey! Looks like https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2369 needs a manual inclusion to the QA queue
[16:03] <camako> thanks sil2100
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2404 Successfully built
[16:07] <jibel> sil2100, camako marked ready
[16:07] <camako> thanks jibel
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- camako, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2369 QA Signoff: Ready
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2425 Preparing packages
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[16:24] <vigo> ahayzen, worked fine =) I can see the printing service now
[16:24] <ahayzen> vigo, yey \o/
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2410 Publishing packages
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2410 Publish failed: Bad merges
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Failed to build (zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Uploading build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Pending binary packages (xenial/unity8)
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2425 Failed to build
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv ahayzen mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2360 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2410 Successfully built
[17:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Bad merges (zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Ready to build (zesty/snapd). Successfully built (xenial/snapd, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity8)
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2105 Bad merges (zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch)
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Uploading build
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Pending binary packages
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Publish failed: Diff missing
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/history-service)
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Generating diffs
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Successfully built
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Publishing packages
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2426 Proposed pocket
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Preparing packages
[19:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Preparing packages
[20:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Pending binary packages (xenial/unity8). Successfully built (zesty/unity8)
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2404 QA Signoff: Ready
[20:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework). Pending binary packages (xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient)
[20:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[20:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 xenial/snapd: debdiff failed: see log for details
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[20:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Preparing packages
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc)
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/history-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/history-service)
[20:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2415 Successfully built
[20:45] <popey> jibel: when you have a moment, i have a new unav for you https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2427
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Bad merges (zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch). Ready to build (zesty/snapd). Successfully built (xenial/snapd)
[21:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Successfully built
[21:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Bad merges (zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch). Ready to build (zesty/snapd). Successfully built (xenial/snapd)
[21:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Ready to build (zesty/snapd). Successfully built (xenial/snapd, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch)
[22:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Ready to build (zesty/snapd). Successfully built (xenial/snapd, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2140 Preparing packages


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[02:53] <sbalneav> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=winnipeg&ie=UTF8&z=12&om=1&iwloc=addr
[03:04] <mjg> Feedback needed. Take the Edubuntu Software Survey - http://tinyurl.com/2s2fgl
[03:11] <freet15> sbalneav: Oh~, there are same engineer also come from Canada. one of them is a dev for debian, other is a python fans, :0
[03:12] <LaserJock> evening sbalneav
[03:12] <sbalneav> We Canadians, we're everywhere.
[03:12] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[03:12] <freet15> not same,It`s "some", orz.....
[03:13] <sbalneav> I've got 3 screen caps of the update manager done, typeing typeing typing
[03:13] <freet15>  :)
[03:13] <sbalneav> LaserJock: What's going on with all the .po files?  I logged into work and started an svn up on the docs, and there's BUCKETS of these things being added.
[03:14] <LaserJock> sbalneav: that's the translations
[03:15] <sbalneav> cool.  What does ".po" stand for?
[03:15] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know actually
[03:16] <LaserJock> sbalneav: Portable Object
[03:17] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Coolio.  I'm going to move the "backup" section from the workstation to the server side of things.
[03:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: for Ubuntu docs the basic process is, create .pot files (PO Templates), translators translate, we grab the .po files for each language and put them back into the svn repo
[03:20] <sbalneav> I really have to learn more about i18n
[03:20] <LaserJock> me too
[03:21] <LaserJock> it's a completly other world
[03:21] <sbalneav> Being an old computer f*rt, if it ain't 7 bit ASCII or EBCDIC, it's outside my ken.
[03:22] <LaserJock> heh, I know the feeling
[03:46] <sbalneav> Can't sleep, ogra?
[03:48] <crimsun> (I think that was an autorejoin)
[03:50] <sbalneav> Probably, but I often see him do that when he re-starts his machine :)
[04:38] <sbalneav> LaserJock: pingity
[04:38] <sbalneav> Hey Jerome!
[04:39] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Ping Pong
[04:42] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: hey you!
[04:42] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: Gonna be in Spain?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> doubt it
[04:43] <jsgotangco> :/
[04:43] <ajmitch> that's hardly fair
[04:44] <sbalneav> Bummer
[04:44] <jsgotangco> need to prioritise some things here before being active again
[04:44] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: How's the project going?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> besides i'm no globe-trotting free software developer like you guys
[04:44] <jsgotangco> har har har
[04:45] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pongity
[04:45] <sbalneav> Whee hee
[04:45] <sbalneav> hey, checkitout
[04:45] <sbalneav> 1) added piccys
[04:45] <sbalneav> 2) Added basic network concepts
[04:45] <sbalneav> (from contribution)
[04:45] <sbalneav> 3) Added backups
[04:45] <sbalneav> 4) Fixed lots o' tags
[04:46] <sbalneav> 5) ltsp-client-start
[04:46] <sbalneav> etc
[04:46] <LaserJock> you da MAN!
[04:46] <sbalneav> Sending DCC file
[04:46] <sbalneav> You'll have to put the piccys in the right place.
[04:47] <sbalneav> I'm just sending you a .tgz of the handbook dir.
[04:47] <sbalneav> After go-live, lets get me write access to the svn
[04:47] <sbalneav> Get it yet?
[04:48] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:48] <alcros> hi everyone, has anyone ever had an installation error (edubuntu 6.10) saying that: "ltsp chroot failed", could you please point me in the rigth direction to solve this?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> is that the ltsp handbook?
[04:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah
[04:48] <sbalneav> Edubuntu handbook, which has lots of LTSP in it.
[04:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: trying to get edubuntu-docs polished off before Feisty releases
[04:49] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, so this is based on an updated feisty branch checkout, right?
[04:49] <sbalneav> yepperdoodles
[04:49] <sbalneav> The bookinfo never shows up anywhere
[04:49] <sbalneav> btw
[04:50] <sbalneav> i.e. authors and such
[04:50] <LaserJock> in yelp?
[04:51] <sbalneav> yeah.  Unless I'm not looking in the right place.
[04:51] <jsgotangco> nice nice
[04:51] <LaserJock> you're not looking in the right place :-)
[04:52] <LaserJock> File-> About this Document or something to that effect
[04:52] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I got an About Edubuntu menu item in the System menu and the Handbook shows up in the frontpage of yelp if edubuntu-docs is installed
[04:53] <sbalneav> Yer so smart
[04:53] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:53] <jsgotangco> shiny
[04:55] <LaserJock> heh, well I didn't contribute anything to the actual content
[04:55] <LaserJock> so the least I can do is some packaging stuff
[04:55] <jsgotangco> i am guessing this is the thing i wrote like a year ago?
[04:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and the least I can do is sit back in awe
[04:58] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[04:58] <ajmitch> s/least/most/ ;)
[04:58] <LaserJock> awe?
[04:58] <LaserJock> I think not
[04:58] <LaserJock> awe would have been if I had finished your LDAP stuff
[04:59] <LaserJock> :-)
[04:59] <ajmitch> :P
[04:59] <ajmitch> because we all know that I'll never get anywhere with it
[05:11] <merriam> Why do we still have "edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot !" in the topic?
[05:11] <LaserJock> cause it's the latest stable release?
[05:12] <LaserJock> btw, that really sucked. Hard freeze. Been getting a fair amount of those on Feisty
[05:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you've got a few days to get things finished for feisty
[05:14] <LaserJock> just a few
[05:15] <ajmitch> main freezes on thursday
[05:15] <LaserJock> I still gotta see if I can get some translations
[05:16] <LaserJock> sbalneav: wahoo, it even validates :-)
[05:17] <sbalneav> Hey hey
[09:43] <narutosan> LaserJock: Hello
[09:47] <narutosan> LaserJock: hi!!
[09:49] <rockprincess> good morning all!
[09:51] <highvoltage> hello rockprincess and narutosan!!!
[09:51] <highvoltage> (I hope I have enough exclamation marks there)
[09:53] <rockprincess> hello highvoltage :)
[10:01] <narutosan> hello highvoltage
[10:27] <kgoetz> hi rockprincess , highvoltage and all
[10:27] <narutosan> hell
[10:27] <narutosan> hello
[10:27] <narutosan> !!:)
[10:28] <kgoetz> hello :)
[10:31] <narutosan> is somebody involved with summer of code ??
[11:50] <freeflying> anyone has success case for using edubuntu in school? I need for presentation, thanks
[12:08] <jsgotangco> hey pete burned out?
[02:12] <Ind[y] > What are the bad points of enabling Universe?
[02:15] <highvoltage> Ind[y] : 1. It's not supported by Canonical
[02:15] <highvoltage> (that's about it)
[02:15] <highvoltage> missed him :-/
[02:28] <Yagisan> highvoltage, I'd have said "nothing"
[02:28] <highvoltage> Yagisan: well, I don't think anyone actualle /cares/ whether it's supported by Canonical or not, so I tend to agree with you :)
[02:29] <Yagisan> highvoltage, well - I have over 700MB of updates to download from it now - I suppose thats bad
[02:29] <Yagisan> but then again - I just got internet back after having to move house
[02:44] <freet15_> highvoltage: Hi
[02:44] <highvoltage> hi freet15_
[02:45] <freet15_> how are you doing
[02:45] <jsgotangco> WAZZAAPPP
[02:45] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:45] <freet15_> ;)
[02:45] <highvoltage> freet15_: doing good thanks, and you?
[02:46] <highvoltage> 'sup jsgotangco!
[02:47] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: sorry to disapoint you, but I'm not currently high (or mighty)
[02:47] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: every CTO needs a lackey
[02:47] <highvoltage> what's a lackey?
[02:48] <jsgotangco> a manservant!
[02:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:48] <jsgotangco> always pleases someone
[02:48] <highvoltage> oooh, does this mean I can ask you to fetch me some Sprite Zero?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> Sprite Zero is that  some kind of sugar free chemical thing?
[02:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[03:00] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: there is only one true drink for humans and that is green tea
[03:02] <freet15_> highvoltage: still working ~~~ here is 9:09PM now...
[03:06] <highvoltage> freet15_: ouch!
[03:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: green tea is cool, we have a tea here called rooibos tea which is quite cool
[03:07] <freet15_> ;)
[03:09] <jsgotangco> red rooibos
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya
[04:29] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[04:50] <highvoltage> hey sbalneav and bddebian
[04:51] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage
[05:00] <cliebow_> Scotto!
[05:11] <sbalneav> Hey ho all
[06:38] <LaserJock> morning all
[06:39] <LaserJock> sorry I didn't go "away" last night ;-)
[06:40] <LaserJock> ogra: did you get my email with a test edubuntu-docs .deb?
[06:57] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pingy pingy
[08:10] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 boo
[08:10] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[09:12] <alcros> hello, has anyone had trouble installing edubuntu 6.10 with a message like: "ltsp chroot failed" ???
[10:03] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Pong
[10:36] <LaserJock> sbalneav: do you think you can get some TCM screenshots, Pete's having problems with his Feisty LTSP setup
[10:36] <sbalneav> OK, I can set it up tonight.
[10:37] <LaserJock> sbalneav: excellent
[10:38] <sbalneav> I have to pop out at 7:00, but I should be home by 9:00 hopefully, so I'll have the stuff by 10:00 ish
[10:40] <LaserJock> awesome
[11:13] <ajmitch> hi
[11:20] <LaserJock> hola ajmitch
[11:20] <ajmitch> practicing before UDS? ;)
[11:21] <LaserJock> yes
[11:21] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get my wife to help me
[11:21] <LaserJock> first on the list is "Where is the bathroom?" :-)
[11:22] <LaserJock> hmm, does Spain use euros?
[11:35] <Burgwork> LaserJock: yes
[11:37] <LaserJock> Burgwork: sweet, I can kinda remember the conversion there
[11:37] <Burgwork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone


[02:12] <DPic> Please digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Final_Push_Linux_in_Stores
[09:39] <Loki3> Hello
[10:18] <popey> aaaargh, couldn't resist any longer.. bought a laptop bag from the Canonical shop
[18:58] <Syntux> boredandblogging, you there?
[22:46] <vikram> Hello


[00:11] <robru_> qengho, I was having tons of trouble with pulseaudio recently
[00:11] <robru_> qengho, as in, nothing using pulseaudio could make any noise at all, and there were no error messages.
[00:11] <qengho> Ubuntu updated from 2.1 to 3.0.
[00:11] <qengho> I think some clients are not prepared for that.
[00:12] <robru_> qengho, oddly, I uninstalled it for a while and was just living my life without it, but then I hit issues where only one app could make sound at a time, and that kinda sucked, so I reinstalled it, and now it seems fine.
[00:12] <qengho> chrome works.  vlc and mplayer do not.
[00:12] <robru_> qengho, yes, vlc is what I was having trouble with
[00:13] <qengho> the one-app-at-a-time is the reason pulse was invented.
[00:13] <robru_> qengho, yeah ;-)
[00:13] <robru_> qengho, confirmed, vlc is still not working
[00:14] <qengho> filing a bug report.  Assigning it to you.  ha ha, only serious.
[00:14] <robru_> qengho, I think I could actually live with one-app-at-a-time, but the problem is that I can't choose which app makes audio at runtime... too annoying to have to quit one app when I want a different one to start making noise ;-)
[00:15] <robru_> qengho, go ahead... if you want it to stagnate for years ;-)
[00:17] <qengho> oss, esound, alsa, pulseaudio.  Things are getting better, but slowly.
[00:25] <mandoguit> just out of curiosity how are you determinining that pulseaudio and vlc aren't working?
[00:28] <robru_> mandoguit, ... I ran vlc, and it was silent. and the only configuration of VLC that was not silent, had 'ALSA' selected as the audio output.
[00:28] <robru_> mandoguit, and this was fine a few weeks ago before pulseaudio was updated.
[00:33] <mandoguit> robru_:    thanks for the reply.     not sure where to check for this though " had 'ALSA' selected as the audio output"    is that in vlc itself or sys config?
[00:41] <robru_> mandoguit, I'm talking about VLC's preferences. the only way I can make it have any audible output whatsoever is to choose ALSA and make sure no other applications are making noise before launching it.
[00:43] <mandoguit> robru_:   ok but where in vlc (not really familiar with the preference sections in that program)  thanks
[00:45] <robru_> mandoguit, it's under Tools->Preferences->Audio
[00:45] <robru_> mandoguit, you have to select 'ALSA audio output' and then some more options will appear underneath that, make sure it isn't just using the pulseaudio backend to ALSA, because that's also broken
[00:47] <robru_> qengho, actually it seems that firefox is also broken.
[00:47] <mandoguit> robru_:   ok thanks... I selected Pulseaudio audio output and then save   started a movie file and the audio works fine
[00:48] <robru_> mandoguit, did you restart vlc? changes to the audio system only take effect after restarting vlc
[00:48] <mandoguit> ahhh...no will do then
[00:48] <bjsnider> qengho, why put mplayer in quotes?
[00:50] <mandoguit> hmmm...that was interesting.  restart vlc and it immediately barfed.   restarted it again (with pulseaudio set) and it played fine
[00:52] <mandoguit> just tried another documentary avi file.... vlc started fine and audio is fine too
[00:54] <mandoguit> I;ve got to scoot for now... will try mplayer later on
[00:55] <mandoguit> fwiw     VLC media player 2.0.5 Twoflower (revision 2.0.5-0-g1661b7d)  pulseaudio 3.0   Kernel: 3.8.0-8-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[00:55] <mandoguit>            Desktop: KDE 4.10.00 Distro: Ubuntu Raring Ringtail
[00:56] <mandoguit> thanks for the pointers.... much appreciated.  :)
[00:57] <bjsnider> robru_, if vlc is silent check the applications tab in the sound menu
[00:57] <bjsnider> it may be turned off
[00:59] <robru_> bjsnider, nope, it's maxed there. doesn't help that the 'test audio' button also fails to make any noise! seems pulseaudio itself is thoroughly broken
[01:01] <bjsnider> robru_, have you got the right output device selected?
[01:02] <robru_> bjsnider, you mean the only one that there is? yes, it is selected.
[01:50] <johnjohn101> is there a chanel for the ubuntu phone and tablet?
[01:53] <jbicha_> !touch
[01:55] <johnjohn101> thanks.
[01:55] <johnjohn101> 8 more weeks until 13.04.  I saw ubuntu touch has more Qt stuff for it.  Is that same ability coming to the desktop unity?
[04:27] <roasted> hello friends
[04:49] <robru> qengho, actually I rebooted and now stuff seems to be working (both firefox and vlc can play audio through pulseaudio now...) go figure
[04:49] <humanoids> sokah, his eyes open
[06:56] <SuperLag> So tell me, guys... on the lists, where the one guy (don't remember his name) proposes the rolling release schedule... he made a comment to the effect that 13.04 is much more stable/reliable than previous pre-release versions. Would you guys agree with that sentiment?
[06:59] <SuperLag> Okay. Maybe I don't capture it quite the same... here's the actual text: The result is that 13.04 has been as robust a release
[06:59] <SuperLag> over the last many weeks as 12.10 was when we delivered. We have achieved
[06:59] <SuperLag> rolling release quality in our development practices, so we can capitalize
[06:59] <SuperLag> doh
[06:59] <SuperLag> I'm sorry.
[06:59] <SuperLag> I thought that would paste as a single line :(
[12:32] <penguin42> hmm, why does Google say that FF19 can't play HTML5 video - I thought it was in since FF4?
[12:32] <penguin42> ^google^youtube
[12:36] <jtaylor> the question is which codec?
[12:36] <jtaylor> firefox can't to webp, maybe also no webm?
[12:39] <penguin42> hmm odd, this was one video on youtube, all the others seem fine - I'd assumed that it would be consistent
[13:57] <vivid> seems to be an issue with java? specifically java windows like minecraft.  but theres been no java updates so im guessing the issue is in the latest push of compiz/unity?
[13:58] <jtaylor> what kind of issue?
[13:59] <vivid> http://s14.postimage.org/ps6eyybtt/Screenshot_from_2013_03_02_05_58_40.png
[13:59] <vivid> also happens with my citrix webviewer crap thing for virtual machines
[14:00] <vivid> the title bar is rendered...somewhere else
[14:01] <jtaylor> looks like bug 1110138
[14:02] <jtaylor> or is it new?
[14:02] <jtaylor> maybe the upload a few days ago regressed something
[14:03] <vivid> no it looks like the bug to me
[14:03] <vivid> the package that resolves must still be in the build queue
[14:03] <jtaylor> not sure I do see the same thing with jdownloader
[14:03] <jtaylor> I have the "fixed" unity
[14:04] <jtaylor> never had the old one, only installed yesterday
[14:04] <vivid> well it says fixed in compiz 1:0.9.9~daily13.02.26-0ubuntu1 but thats not available yet
[14:05] <jtaylor> I have it installed
[14:05] <vivid> oh wow, yeah lol
[14:05] <vivid> 03.01 is what i have
[14:05] <vivid> certainly is not fixed
[14:05] <jtaylor> unfotunately I can't install an older on and logout, got a powerpc chroot running and rebuilding that would take 4 hours
[14:06] <jtaylor> if you have the time try the old package and see if its still the case
[14:06] <vivid> the one thats supposed to fix it?
[14:06] <jtaylor> the one before that
[14:06] <jtaylor> or was it always the case?
[14:06] <vivid> no this happened very recently
[14:06] <jtaylor> so the update probably broke it not fixed it
[14:07] <vivid> i just noticed it yesterday
[14:09] <vivid> eh, where can i get the older packages?
[14:10] <jtaylor> good question
[14:13] <jtaylor> can I upload the screenshot to the bug?
[14:14] <vivid> oh, yes, but i already did :p
[14:15] <jtaylor> k good
[14:15] <jtaylor> I guess you have to build the old package from source to see if it really caused the issue
[14:15] <jtaylor> are you familiar with how that works?
[14:17] <vivid> well, the debian method yes, but im not familiar with pulling revisions from bazaar
[14:17] <vivid> but yeah, i can figure that out
[14:18] <jtaylor> vivid: download this diff: https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/compiz.fix_1110138/+merge/147548
[14:18] <jtaylor> revert it with patch -p0 -R <file
[14:18] <jtaylor> and build regulary
[14:18] <jtaylor> the normal apt-get source compiz
[14:18] <jtaylor> afk 20 min
[14:20] <vivid> i cant get build-dep right now unfortunately, due to some package conflicts that i assume are in the build queue
[14:32] <jtaylor> can you restart compiz without logging out?
[14:32] <jtaylor> it builds for me
[14:34] <vivid> i dont know. does compiz --replace work for that?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:34] <vivid> still, libx11-6 is missing its i386 counterpart, so apt-get build-dep fails with broken packages
[14:34] <jtaylor> strange
[14:35] <vivid> wants to remove all my i386 stuff
[14:35] <jtaylor> mk-build-deps -ir worked, but my system is very clean as its a fresh install
[14:36] <vivid> i guess if i disable raring-proposed that package conflict will disappear
[14:37] <jtaylor> maybe, but build depdencies often have issues with multiarch
[14:40] <jtaylor> compiz --replace works
[14:40] <jtaylor> the patch is the problem
[14:41] <vivid> the resolving patch?
[14:41] <vivid> im still building
[14:41] <vivid> maybe you want to add that to the bug report
[14:44] <vivid> jtaylor: thanks for the help btw.  time for me to move on to other tasks :p
[14:45] <jtaylor> oh man I'm a moron
[14:46] <jtaylor> wanted to put the compiz --replace into the background, with ctrl+z -> bg
[14:46] <jtaylor> this obviously does not work ._.
[14:46] <jtaylor> and my terminal with the chroot did not survive the restoring with -CONT :/
[14:46] <jtaylor> well I was stuck anyay
[16:00] <ejat> anyone can verify the package need to be removed? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5579567/
[16:01] <mirak> hi
[16:02] <mirak> is the TV mode available on the next ubuntu version ?
[16:02] <mirak> I mean the one we see when he takes a remote
[16:03] <jbicha_> ejat: no those shouldn't be removed and we don't recommend that you use -proposed during the development cycle
[16:07] <jbicha> more specifically, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/2:1.5.0-1ubuntu1 failed to build on i386
[16:11] <ejat> but im using 64
[16:11] <yofel> parts of it are only built on i386
[16:12] <ejat> yofel: noted ..
[16:12] <ejat> so waiting for someone looks into it right ? or someone already working on it already/
[16:13] <yofel> dunno, disable -proposed and you should be able to upgrade fine
[16:13] <yofel> someone will look at it
[16:13] <ejat> owh okie
[16:13] <jbicha> ejat: yes, but turn off raring-proposed updates to avoid these problems
[16:13] <ejat> will do .. thanks
[16:14] <BluesKaj> pasting errors with a url , without any explanation or context of what ppl are trying to do is becoming annoying
[17:38] <tekoholic> After upgrade from linux-image-3.8.0-8 to -9, either the ad-hoc mode for several different wlan drivers has been broken, or batman-adv (built in or built 2013.0.0 from src) modules aren't running correctly any longer.  This REBOOTS OpenWRT routers to which this network attaches
[17:38] <tekoholic> Is this a known issue?
[17:39] <penguin42> tekoholic: I don't honestly know but either way thay means there is a bug in OpenWRT that needs fixing; but it would be fair to file against ubuntu as well so it's known
[17:40] <tekoholic> penguin42: Really?  OpenWRT didn't change, nor did the batman-adv modules I regularly use (always build current), just the Ubu kernel...  Where'd ya' say the breakage happened?
[17:41] <penguin42> tekoholic: Well I say that whatever a nasty client does OpenWRT should never reboot
[17:41] <penguin42> tekoholic: So however broken Ubuntu may or may not be, OpenWRT shouldn't get too upset
[17:42] <tekoholic> penguin42: I believe that it's doing so as a result of a kernel panic...  Ubu does the same thing, if it can...
[17:42] <penguin42> tekoholic: Right, and you shouldn't be able to kernel panic the thing on the other end of your wireless connection
[17:42] <penguin42> tekoholic: After all that means if someone figures out what causes it in your case then they could do it from any host and go around nuking OpenWRTs for fun and profit
[17:43] <tekoholic> OK, I guess that's a good darn point...
[17:43] <tekoholic> Hadn't looked at it like that.
[17:45] <tekoholic> Is there anything I can do to dig deeper into this issue's cause (on the Ubu side), prior to filing bug or what-not?
[17:46] <penguin42> I don't know much wireless side
[17:46] <penguin42> tekoholic: You could go back to 3.8.0-8 and see if it stabilises to see if that's the actual cause
[17:49] <tekoholic> It DID stabilize
[17:50] <tekoholic> As well, there is quite a variety of wlan devices in use, so it's gotta' be something they all have in common, such as batman-adv, mac80211, etc
[17:51] <penguin42> tekoholic: Can you explain that - you mean 3.8.0-9 on any of these machines causes your openwrt to crash?
[17:53] <tekoholic> That is exactly correct, altho incomplete.  3.8.0-9 with either in-kernel or built from src batman-adv modules, and all wlan dev's in ad-hoc mode
[17:54] <penguin42> sorry, I don't understand about 'all wlan dev's' - is tis multiple wlan devices connected to one host running 3.8.0-9 or what?
[17:54] <tekoholic> All worked fine on 3.8.0-8 with 2013.0.0 modules from src
[17:55] <tekoholic> No, several hosts, each with single wlan device, all ad-hoc / mesh-networked, and an OpenWRT router in the mix as well, as gateway
[17:55] <penguin42> ok, and did you upgrade one host to 3.8.0-9 or all of them?
[17:57] <tekoholic> All of them, but I've eliminated all but 1 (all's fine until traffic is passed), and switched which one
[17:57] <tekoholic> All do the same
[17:58] <tekoholic> Individually or in concert
[17:58] <penguin42> so if you take them all back to 3.8.0-8 and then switch one of them to 3.8.0-9 does openwrt nuke?
[17:59] <tekoholic> Had not tried that, but with just one, I tested 3.8.0-9 (oops) and immediately 3.8.0-8 (worx as expected)...
[17:59] <penguin42> right, so it's difficult to tell if it's specific to one driver or what
[18:00] <tekoholic> No, it's NOT.  Same issue on all the wlan devices running the new kernel
[18:00] <tekoholic> Some atheros, other intel, etc
[18:01] <tekoholic> Reread above...  I troubleshot down to a single client, then switched clients
[18:01] <penguin42> I don't understand how you've figured that out if they're all running the 3.8.0-9
[18:03] <tekoholic> I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, with that.  What I can say is that all the machines had the same issue with the 3.8.0-9, none of them had it with anything prior, and they've all got diff wlan dev's
[18:04] <tekoholic> So, its something common between them all, not specific to any one driver (ath9k and such)
[18:05] <tekoholic> brb
[18:05] <penguin42> tekoholic: Lets start again; what symptom do you see on the individual machines as opposed to the problem you have with OpenWRT rebooting
[18:12] <tekoholic> penguin42: The only issue that is apparent on each of the machines is that they will not get an address issued, or if they do, they immediately lose any usable connection due to the immediate router reboot and consequent disassociation
[18:13] <tekoholic> As yet, I can't even pin it down to bare ad-hoc or batman-adv cause, as I've not tried ad-hoc without batman
[18:13] <tekoholic> That will require quite a reconfig to test, and I've not yet had the time
[18:16] <penguin42> I don't see anything in the linux-image-3.8.09 changelog that sounds promising
[18:18] <tekoholic> Neither did I, altho I honestly didn't have a whole lotta' clue what to be looking for...
[18:23] <penguin42> well there didn't seem to be anything wireless specific
[18:24] <tekoholic> OK, so could it be a kernel config that batman-adv expects, or something like that?
[18:25] <penguin42> dunno anything about batman; but I would have expected the changelog to have mentioned kernel config changes, and I didn't notice any relevant but might have missed something
[19:07] <tekoholic> penguin42: Here's a bit more info, if useful...  dmesg shows an error "iwlwifi unable to find TIM element in beacon" a coupla times, on one of the machines.  I've not looked at others yet
[19:32] <penguin42> tekoholic: Probably need to find some wifi person
[19:52] <zorro-in> hello. i'm on zorin os and while trying to update, it asks for a specific ubuntu cd. i know this is not the channel to be, but since i can't seem to find that iso i was wondering if you could help me. i'm looking for this: CD/DVD 'Ubuntu 13.04 _Raring Ringtail_ - Alpha i386 (20130211)
[19:52] <bazhang> check your sources.list zorro-in
[19:53] <zorro-in> hmm... should have thought of that. thanks bazhang.
[19:54] <bazhang> zorro-in, then place a # in front of it, and save
[19:55] <zorro-in> yea i know about that. thanks again.
[20:11] <ironhalik> is it a good idea to do a dist-upgrade if it want's to remove most of my ia32 libs?
[20:12] <penguin42> not if you're trying to run some 32 bit stuff
[20:12] <ironhalik> Dunno if it's inteded or just some dependency issue
[20:43] <ironhalik> Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg  Something wicked happened resolving 'dl.google.com:http' (-11 - System error)
[20:43] <ironhalik> Wicked.
[22:20] <bekks> ironhalik: Then you just have to wait until they fixed it.
[23:25] <Allard> hello
[23:25] <Allard> I can't start Libre Office
[23:26] <Allard> it won't load
[23:27] <Allard> is somebody here at all
[23:27] <Allard> will someone help
[23:27] <bekks> Allard: 160 people are in here. Be patient.
[23:27] <Allard> ok
[23:28] <Allard> at least I know I have to wait
[23:46] <Allard> still no answer
[23:48] <bekks> Be more patient.
[23:48] <bekks> And all your questions already have been answered in #ubuntu
[23:52] <jtaylor> more specific information would be useful


[05:02] <misterblu3> anyone here available to help me?
[06:06] <shurke> hi
[06:08] <shurke> i can set keyboard shortcuts for vol+ and vol-, but pressing them won't do a thing
[06:08] <shurke> would that be a gnome-settings or budgie problem?
[09:05] <ubuntu-budgie> anyone available to help?
[09:06] <ubuntu-budgie> have a problem with gens
[09:22] <shurke> nope!
[16:02] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: budgie-desktop still FTBFS with meson 0.41.1 https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/vala36/+build/12762373
[16:07] <jbicha> it did fix the simple-scan build
[19:28] <fossfreedom_> jbicha, :(
[19:28] <fossfreedom_> thanks for the info


[02:00] <alex_mayorga> No firefox-trunk build from PPA in about 2 days, is this known or should I file a bug?
[02:04] <micahg> alex_mayorga: the person who is running that at the moment has had an extended holiday weekend, they will probably be back soon
[02:04] <alex_mayorga> micahg: I see, thought those were ran by some "robot" or something
[02:04] <micahg> until they fail :)
[02:05] <micahg> last 4 days have failed
[02:07] <alex_mayorga> micahg: Is there a way to chip-in when people is on holiday and such?
[02:08] <micahg> when chris comes back, you can ask him, I am happy to merge fixes in
[02:09] <bkerensa> micahg: Look what I just got from London http://i.imgur.com/CeHqN.jpg
[02:09] <bkerensa> :)
[02:10] <micahg> bkerensa: ooh, where do I sign up :)
[02:10] <bkerensa> micahg: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1609/detail/ :P
[02:10] <micahg> bkerensa: that's a mozilla box :P
[02:11] <bkerensa> micahg: Yeah... I am my region's Mozilla Rep
[02:11] <bkerensa> :)
[02:11] <bkerensa> in addition to Ubuntu LoCo Lead
[02:11] <bkerensa> works out pretty well :P
[02:11] <Unit193> Send some my way.... :P
[02:11] <bkerensa> Unit193: surely you have a Mozilla Rep in your area
[02:11] <bkerensa> :D
[02:13] <alex_mayorga> bkerensa: How does one nominate oneself to be a MozRep?
[02:14] <bkerensa> alex_mayorga: The criteria usually consists of someone who is well connected in the local FOSS Community and capable of doing good work with resources... Then you just need apply and be accepted by the ReMo Council and go through Mentoring and Training
[02:14] <bkerensa> https://reps.mozilla.org/
[02:15] <alex_mayorga> bkerensa: Thanks!
[02:17] <Unit193> bkerensa: Not in this state.
[02:20] <bkerensa> Unit193: which one?
[02:21] <Unit193> Ohio
[02:23] <bkerensa> Unit193: Yeah I think the closest rep would be either PA or Indiana
[02:24] <Unit193> https://reps.mozilla.org/people/ doesn't list Indiana, so PA.
[02:24] <bkerensa> Unit193: if you guys have some sort of event coming up let me know and I can try and see about having a neighboring state's rep get some stuff out
[02:24] <bkerensa> :D
[02:24] <Unit193> Heh, the huge thing I can think of will be a bit.
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if anybody really uses the settings provided by Tools -> Manage Content-Plugins feature in ubufox?
[19:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: being that it's never worked right for flash AFAICR, probably not
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm wondering whether to drop it, considering that it requires a permanent distro-patch in firefox as well
[19:05] <micahg> I think it would be cool if it worked, especially in the flash case, but if it's a maintenance burden...