[15:52] <melodie> hi
[16:00] <gnrp> hi
[16:01] <melodie> hello gnrp
[16:20] <melodie> yesterday I had diogene helping me for an issue which I thought was solved, but finally wasn't
[16:21] <melodie> it is about this message at the end of shutdown or reboot: "systemd-shutdown : waiting process: exe"
[16:23] <melodie> he thought I would get the right behavior with a acpi_osi=! on the kernel command line, this one : "acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""
[16:23] <melodie> but after a third reboot the issue was back
[16:23] <melodie> so diogene not being here this evening, I did a search and found this page at Manjaro : https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-choose-the-proper-acpi-kernel-argument/1405
[16:24] <melodie> so I am changing now a detail: from "acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\"" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=! acpi_osi='Windows 2012'"
[16:25] <melodie> you can see I only removed the anti-slash parts and used single quotes around the "Windows" part
[16:25] <melodie> I updated grub and will do a cold shutdown or 2 shutdows perhaps.
[16:26] <melodie> The machine is a Dell 3010 with a proc i5 3470, 8 GB RAM DDR3 non ECC (1.35v)
[16:26] <melodie> and Xubuntu 20.04 al
[16:27] <melodie> also meets with a strange issue : once the main hard drive is seen as sda, and another time as sdf, which is kind of weird
[16:27] <melodie> what do you think?
[16:30] <melodie> ok, bbl
[16:55] <melodie> hi again
[16:56] <melodie> with what I said just before the only kernel that seems to work without causing any trouble  is  5.4.0-72-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP x86_64
[16:57] <melodie> considering the addition to the kernel command lines
[17:00] <melodie> hi diogenes_
[17:00] <diogenes_> hi melodie
[17:00] <melodie> I came back to report what happened on the same computer yesterday evening it has been weird.
[17:01] <melodie> I said just before you arrived that :
[17:01] <melodie> " the only kernel that seems to work without causing any trouble  is  5.4.0-72-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP x86_64"
[17:02] <melodie> and I also had to modify the line you gave me yesterday for this : ""acpi_osi=! acpi_osi='Windows 2012'" (single quotes around the windows part, and no anti-slashes)
[17:03] <melodie> yesterday evening the systemd-shutdown waiting happened again and also in the journalctl messages I got lines of "usb 1-1.2: device descriptor read/64, error -32" but this happed with the new linux-image-generic kernel , the one that ends with the number 77
[17:04] <melodie> when reverting back to the  5.4.0-72-generic it does not happen anymore
[17:04] <diogenes_> melodie, is it hwe kernel?
[17:04] <melodie> I removed the "generic" meta packages and blocked the former kernel to keep it
[17:04] <melodie> no it is not hwe
[17:05] <diogenes_> maybe try an hwe?
[17:05] <melodie> which one?
[17:06] <melodie> generic-20.04 I guess?
[17:06] <melodie> ok I'll try
[17:06] <diogenes_> yep
[17:07] <melodie> it will install this: http://pastebin.fr/92580
[17:08] <melodie> I'll bb tomorrow for the results. Do you know if you will be here tomorrow?
[17:08] <diogenes_> it's normal.
[17:08] <melodie> sure it's normal
[17:08] <diogenes_> yes i will be here.
[17:09] <melodie> nice, I'll come and tell you if that helps then. will you be around at the same time as now, or maybe earlier? (France here, 19:10 now)
[17:10] <diogenes_> earlier maybe.
[17:10] <melodie> nice, have a good evening (or day?) a good one anyway! :D
[17:10] <melodie> I'm out
[19:33] <av2156> so quite in here
[19:33] <av2156> guess no one comes for support on irc for xubuntu
[19:35] <oerheks> some do ..
[20:08] <Mekaneck> av2156: it always has been quiet in every channel, it declined due the fact that kids and other users jumped over to discord, telegram and matrix
[20:09] <av2156> true
[20:09] <Mekaneck> but that discussion is something for the offtopic channel
[21:12] <gnrp> I guess the people who use already IRC nowadays know how to fix many problems by themselves
[21:12] <gnrp> and if these problems are not fixable, they are usually not related to xubuntu


[12:18] <Henne91> Hi everybody! I need some help getting this bug fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center/+bug/1054070
[12:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054070 in Ubuntu Software Center "software-center-dbus crashed with MemoryError in _dump_bsddbm_for_unity(): (12, 'Cannot allocate memory -- Lock table is out of available locker entries')" [Undecided,New]
[12:19] <Henne91> It is fixed in Quantal but not in Precise yet
[12:19] <Henne91> The fix for quantal also fixes it in Precise
[13:04] <bibinou> hey I got spam in a bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quodlibet/+bug/601741
[13:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601741 in quodlibet (Ubuntu) "playing module (s3m, xm, mod, it...) files produces silence" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:04] <bibinou> #7
[13:04] <bibinou> should I alert the launchpad team ?
[13:05] <Pici> bibinou: yes
[13:27] <luc4_mac> Hi! I'm getting these erros when simply connecting a mouse to my Kubuntu: http://pastebin.com/t1cF17Ts, http://pastebin.com/WmiDTbqc. Anyone with an idea of the reason?
[14:10] <reels> Hi, on ubuntu LTS, sscanf doesn't handle %a correctly. Is it a known bug ? Test code : http://ideone.com/iQ5BpW
[16:04] <luc4_mac> Hi! I'm getting these erros when simply connecting a mouse to my Kubuntu: http://pastebin.com/t1cF17Ts, http://pastebin.com/WmiDTbqc. Anyone with an idea of the reason?
[16:16] <autra> luc4_mac, [  199.825478] usb 2-2: >Product: Teapot not supported
[16:16] <autra> ;-)
[16:17] <luc4_mac> autra: what do you mean?
[16:17] <autra> no it's just a joke, don't worry !
[16:17] <autra> :-D
[16:17] <autra> just pretending it was from your pastebin
[16:18] <luc4_mac> autra: ah, I see :-)
[16:18] <autra> but I don't know how to solve this, sry :-)
[16:18] <luc4_mac> autra: I was looking for this teapot in my logs :-D
[16:18] <autra> lol, so it worked \o/
[16:19] <luc4_mac> autra: I was asking myself if I was so drunk that I confused my USB teapot with a mouse :-D
[16:19] <autra> YOU GOT A USB TEAPOT !!
[16:20] <luc4_mac> autra: I suppose better the teapot than confusing with a vibrator :-D :-D
[16:20] <luc4_mac> autra: no no I have no usb teapot :-D
[16:20]  * autra is deeply disappointed
[16:21] <luc4_mac> I still have that issue with usb, so if anyone knows anything...


[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4770 Failed to build
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[00:03] <jrwren> greg-g: oh greg! :)
[04:01] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[04:01] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Tapporauta by Korpiklaani on Nuclear Blast Showdown Spring 2008
[04:01] <cmaloney> oh Last.fm you cray cray
[14:49] <jrwren> anyone know of a tool which will take a python stack trace and let me walk those files in vim?
[15:10] <jrwren> zomg, 2 yrs later-ish - i finally fix my byobu tmux binding to the behavior I want.
[15:53] <jrwren> sometimes I htink python3 is not worth it.
[15:53] <jrwren> someone should fork python3 and make a python that doesn't suck.
[15:53] <jrwren> way too many wrong decisions in python3
[15:55] <jrwren> nevermind, I take it all back.  :p
[15:55] <jrwren> but seriously, 2to3 should support rfc822-> email.utils
[20:15] <cmaloney> http://danspitz.com/spitz-bench/
[20:15] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/niFr4 - Spitz Bench | Official Dan Spitz Blog and Community
[23:03] <cmaloney> Downgraded my kernel for the first time in a while.


[00:26] <bcurtiswx> for UDS-M.. what is a "member of the crew"
[00:27] <persia> bcurtiswx: It usually means someone willing to help out in various ways (changing signs, giving 5-minute warnings to sessions, helping move stuff around for room setup/teardown, etc.)
[00:28] <bcurtiswx> persia: ah, neat.  I've done that at another annual conference.. its actually kinda fun
[01:39] <ddecator> bug 526453 is ready to be [low, triaged]. i was thinking medium at first, but low seems more appropriate since the user can simply leave the search bar in the toolbar and it will function properly
[01:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526453 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Firefox does not allow users to change the default search engine, unless the search bar is present (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526453
[01:48] <kermiac> ddecator: bug 526453: 6. 6. Go to View -> Toolbars -> Customize and drag the search box out of the toolbar    doesn't have a search box to remove for me
[01:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526453 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Firefox does not allow users to change the default search engine, unless the search bar is present (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526453
[01:50] <ddecator> kermiac, you should be able to drag the search bar out of the top toolbar, removing it and placing it in the customization window, so then there will only be the address bar
[01:50] <kermiac> ok, that wasn't clear in the reproduction steps (I don't mess with FF settings that much though)
[01:51] <ddecator> hm, i could reword it if you think it's too unclear
[01:53] <kermiac> might be a good idea.... devs would probably know what you mean though - as I said, I don't mess with FF settings that much
[01:53] <kermiac> one related question though...
[01:53] <ddecator> alright, i'll work on that. and yes?
[01:53] <kermiac> is there any way to make the search bar go back to the original size after placing it back?
[01:53] <kermiac> right now it's VERY big, lol
[01:53] <ddecator> haha, try restarting FF
[01:54] <kermiac> nope, that was the first thing i tried ;)
[01:54] <ddecator> did you place it back in the same place to the right of the address bar?
[01:55]  * kermiac is embarrassed
[01:55] <kermiac> user error, lol
[01:55] <ddecator> ;)
[01:55] <kermiac> ok, well I can reproduce easily (minus my user error)
[01:56] <kermiac> I'll set to low/triaged.... you may wish to reword step 6 just to be clear on exactly how to produce
[01:57] <ddecator> kermiac, thanks, i'm updating the description right now...
[01:57] <kermiac> ok, let me know when you're done & I'll check it & set for you :)
[02:00] <ddecator> kermiac, alright, is that more clear?
[02:01]  * kermiac looks
[02:05] <kermiac> excellent work ddecator :)
[02:05] <kermiac> much clearer now (for FF noobs, like me)
[02:05] <ddecator> kermiac, thanks =) it definitely helps that i'm specializing in FF bugs now, haha, easier to know what to do
[02:05] <kermiac> true :)
[02:06] <ddecator> now if i can just get one more +1, i won't need to bug you to do this -cough cough- haha
[02:07] <kermiac> hahaha... There are a lot more experience -control members than me that should +1 you mate. I've only been in control for a very short time mate ;)
[02:07] <ddecator> haha, i know i wasn't implying you should, just saying it'll be nice when it happens ;)
[02:07] <kermiac> :)
[02:07] <ddecator> alright, on that note, thanks for setting that for me, now i need to go test a bug with lucid une...
[02:08] <kermiac> ok mate... keep up the good work :)
[02:09] <ddecator> thanks, you too
[04:48] <cjohnston> question... bug 530256 is a gtg bug.. Since gtg uses LP for bug tracking should the bug be moved from gtg (ubuntu) to just the gtg project?
[04:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 530256 in gtg (Ubuntu) "gtg crashed with GError in loadDialog() (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530256
[05:05] <micahg> cjohnston: it's not about the package?
[05:05]  * micahg is looking
[05:06] <micahg> cjohnston: just open a task for GTG as well
[05:56] <Anzenketh> Why Why do I have to get so busy.
[07:06] <kermiac> I saw that Brian un-set the security vulnerability flag on bug 530805 - any idea why I don't have permission to access it? This is the first time I have seen this so it got me curious :)
[07:06] <ubot4> kermiac: Bug 530805 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/530805 is private
[07:06] <kermiac> ah nvm - bot answered my question, lol
[07:11] <persia> heh
[07:11] <Anzenketh> Look the bot is answering questions now.
[07:21] <Anzenketh> bug 80399 needs to be sent to fix released right?
[07:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 80399 in sendmail (Ubuntu) "sendmail configuration makefile fails" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80399
[07:28] <thekorn> good morning!
[07:33] <Anzenketh> morning
[07:46] <Anzenketh> I am outa it is night for me
[08:27] <toresbe> hey guys... I experienced a bug with my nVidia card that I think might be a little serious
[08:29] <toresbe> I booted it up with the VESA driver - when I installed the nVidia proprietary drivers, the GPU fan spun up to 100%, and I discovered that the card had been very warm.
[08:30] <arand> toresbe: I don't know where to go further, but first of all, get a good bug report down.
[08:30] <toresbe> I assume the card shuts or slows down before damage could be done, but if this and other nVidia cards do this, then it might be a serious problem.
[08:34] <arand> toresbe: agreed, might want to hop into #ubuntu+1 as well and see if others have similar problems, but do get the bug report done, that way if many sees the same thing and notes it there, it's importance will be obvious.
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[11:39] <LimCore> program hangs on
[11:39] <LimCore> select(39, [38], [], NULL, NULL
[11:40] <LimCore> how to get more information about, I guess, file descriptors number 39, 38
[11:50] <LimCore> bug #531287
[11:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531287 in trickle (Ubuntu) "Trickle does not work with kmail - hangs it (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531287
[12:20] <yofel_> LimCore: the file descriptors are kept in /proc/$APP_PID/fd, ls -l will show if it's a file/device/socket/pipe/...
[12:24] <LimCore> number of users fail to use programs like: kgpg, cryptkeeper, because they do not open a window - just a popup. This should be fixed.
[12:45] <LimCore> wow 2 sigsegv bugs in encrfs.
[12:45] <LimCore> mine is bug #531313
[12:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531313 in cryptkeeper (Ubuntu) "[karmic] cryptkeeper crashes on creating new encfs (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531313
[12:45] <LimCore> if someone have 2 minutes please confirm it
[13:03] <thekorn> pedro_, hey! nice to see you around again, I hope you, your family and friends are all fine
[13:04] <pedro_> thekorn, hello!! thank you, i'm happy to be here too :-). I'm ok and my family too
[13:05] <pedro_> thekorn, a couple of friends lost their home though, but the material things are not the important right now, they are still alive
[13:10] <thekorn> pedro_, ok, good. take care ;)
[13:10] <BUGabundo_remote> that's the spirit pedro_
[13:11] <TeTeT> how can I set the source package for a bug once I found out what it is? bug in question is bug 525700 and should be against plymouth
[13:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 525700 in ubuntu "Removing quiet and splash will have gdm start on tty1 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525700
[13:13] <TeTeT> I try: 'also affects distribution', then select ubuntu and plymouth, but I get an error that this bug is already filed against ubuntu
[13:14] <TeTeT> nevermind, found it
[13:27] <LimCore> I wish one day I would try to use something in Ubuntu, and there would be not a 50% chance it will fail totally
[13:27] <LimCore> can I do something more to help to fix the encfs bug? Because usesrs are left with no easy encryption it seems (that do not require partition, root, etc)
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> LimCore: I use encfs daily
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> no prob there
[13:37] <ikt> my netbook won't resume from hibernation/suspend any more, only since one of the updates to alpha 3
[13:40] <ikt> where should I report a bug?
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> ikt: ask in #ubuntu+1
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> but you want to file it against the kernel
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> aka linux package
[13:41] <nigelb> ikt: though BUGabundo_remote must know about it ;)
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> $ ubuntu-bug linux
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> nigelb: you are slow :S
[13:42]  * nigelb thinks BUGabundo_remote knows all the lucid bugs plus bug numbers ;)
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> not for the last two cicles :(
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm off shape
[13:42] <nigelb> bah..
[13:42] <nigelb> time to get back fit ;)
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> can't!
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> work takes precedence
[13:43] <nigelb> ah, reasonable then
[13:43]  * BUGabundo_remote is afraid to look into MLs folders
[13:49] <LimCore> BUGabundo_remote: on karmic? then please comment by bug
[14:05] <alvin> I want to report a postgresql wishlist bug. Upon looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4 I see that not a single postgresql bug is triaged. Am I mistaken, or is postgresql unsupported? It's in main. (A lot of these bugs look like duplicates. I'm willing to triage a few, but not today.)
[14:17] <hggdh> OK. The BugSquad membership roster has just been reduced in half ;-)
[14:17] <nigelb> thank you hggdh :)
[14:17] <hggdh> (just meaning earlier today)
[14:18] <nigelb> wish we could have something on the join team itself
[14:18] <nigelb> something like a page to write something to admins
[14:18] <hggdh> later on, after this adjustment phase
[14:19] <nigelb> hm:)
[14:19] <nigelb> Heads up bug squad: LP will be read only for a few hours today.
[14:20] <vish> nigelb: huh?
[14:20] <vish> i mean time? ;)
[14:21] <Zus> nigelb,  all aspects of  LP?
[14:21] <nigelb> yup
[14:21] <nigelb> 2300 UTC
[14:21] <nigelb> 23.00 UTC Wed 3 March - 00:30 UTC Thu 4 Marc
[14:21] <vish> heh , i'll be fast asleep ;p
[14:21] <nigelb> Zus: I believe so
[14:21] <nigelb> vish: I know, me too
[14:22] <nigelb> but US will be awake, just posting a warning :)
[14:22] <Zus> thanks i was actually working on my profile...
[14:28] <aburch> Launchpad just told me that my membership in the Bug Control team is about to expire.
[14:30] <aburch> Should I do anything besides pinging the admins?
[14:30] <nigelb> aburch: you can poke brian when he comes on.
[14:30] <nigelb> is this bug squad or bug control?
[14:30] <aburch> Bug control.
[14:31] <nigelb> yep, poke brian, b d m u r r a y
[14:31] <BUGabundo_remote> "Please pretty please STOP changing the status of this bug!" some one made pitty mad !
[14:31] <vish> yay , pedro_ is safe and back :)
[14:32] <nigelb> vish: was he unsafe?
[14:32] <vish> nigelb: earthquake
[14:32]  * pedro_ hugs vish
[14:32] <nigelb> ah :)
[14:33] <nigelb> pedro_: welcome back :)
[14:33] <pedro_> vish, i'm ok! thanks for worrying about me ;-)
[14:33] <pedro_> the internet connection is working pretty slow though, but at least i'm able to IRC a bit
[14:33] <aburch> bdmurray: Could you please renew my bugcontrol membership (~ansgar-43-1)?  If there are any questins, I will probably need some time to reply (I'm travelling in the next days).
[14:33] <pedro_> phone lines are still going up and down
[14:33] <pedro_> but we're safe ;-)
[14:33] <vish> pedro_: lot of us here were worried :) and seb_128 put  our minds to rest :)
[14:35] <vish> s/to rest/at ease
[14:36] <nigelb> pedro_: I must have spammed you quite a bit with bug mails :)
[14:37] <pedro_> nigelb, no worries about that ;-)
[14:38] <hggdh> pedro_: Welcome!!
[14:38] <nigelb> hehe
[14:39]  * pedro_ hugs hggdh
[14:40]  * hggdh higs pedro_  -- really. Glad to know all is well with you & yours
[14:40] <hggdh> s/higs/hugs/ # oh dyslexia
[14:40] <nigelb> lol
[15:05]  * LimCore writes letter to god why the noobs didn't still fixed earthquakes with attached strace
[15:09] <ddecator> hola pedro_
[15:09] <pedro_> hello there ddecator!
[15:10] <ddecator> pedro_, do you have some time to work with me this morning?
[15:10] <pedro_> ddecator, tomorrow would be better, but if you have any question just drop those here in the channel
[15:11] <pedro_> I'm sure our rocking bugsquad will help with any
[15:11] <ddecator> pedro_, fair enough, i have a ton of bugmail to respond to anyway. i'll plan on tomorrow then =). did you have a good vacation? (sorry to go off topic for a second)
[15:12] <pedro_> ddecator, had a good beginning of the holidays but a terrible end due to the earthquake
[15:12] <ddecator> pedro_, i didn't realize you were near the earthquake, sorry to hear about that.
[15:13] <Hellow> pedro_, You was near the earthquake?
[15:13] <LimCore> BUGabundo_remote: so creating a new encfs from cryptkeeper does not crash for you? on lucid? karmic?
[15:13] <LimCore> BUGabundo_remote: 32 or 64?
[15:14] <pedro_> Hellow, I was near the city of the epicenter, nothing bad happened to me or to my family though
[15:14] <Hellow> pedro_, That's good that nothing happened to you guys.
[15:15]  * vish thinks we can add pedro_'s safe return to the channel topic ;)
[15:16]  * ddecator agrees
[15:22] <BUGabundo_remote> LimCore: ? cryptkeeper?
[15:22] <BUGabundo_remote> never used that!
[15:22] <BUGabundo_remote> currently lucid 64
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> volume created long ago in 8.x
[15:26] <ddecator> if a person doesn't give apport proper permission (when running apport-collect), how can they change the permission so they can use it?
[15:27] <LimCore> BUGabundo_remote: yes, I was saying about using encfs via cryptkeeper.  Perhaps you can try it?
[15:27] <hggdh> if it has not been changed, delete the current auth, and create a new one with the correct permissions
[15:27] <hggdh> ddecator: ^
[15:27] <ddecator> hggdh, thanks. how would they delete the current auth?
[15:30] <hggdh> ddecator: heh. Now I have to remember that also... it will be in a hidden directory off home
[15:30] <hggdh> let me look for it
[15:31] <ddecator> haha, great, thanks hggdh
[15:33] <thekorn> hggdh, ddecator ~/.cache/apport/launchpad.credentials
[15:33] <ddecator> thekorn, tyvm
[15:34] <hggdh> hah! Thank you, thekorn . We should try to standardise the launchpadlib credentials directory
[15:34] <ddecator> i need to change my custom stock response so it reminds them to give permission...
[15:34] <LimCore> I found a bug that silently (nothing in logs) crahes apache. How to debug?
[15:34]  * thekorn files a bug to change this location, launchpadlib is now smart enough to use a central place
[15:34] <thekorn> hggdh, exactly
[15:38] <hggdh> thekorn: can you give me the bug #? I would like to subscribe
[15:39] <thekorn> hggdh, upps, sorry, have to create the bug in 1.5 hours, have to get a bus now
[15:39] <hggdh> thekorn: np
[15:39] <thekorn> but sure, will post the id here
[15:42] <micahg> are people having an issue with this mercedes character?
[15:43] <ddecator> micahg, yup
[15:45] <nigelb> micahg: re: the foul language in a firefox bug, already taken care of
[15:45] <micahg> nigelb: really...I haven't gotten to that yet
[15:45] <ddecator> nigelb, there was foul language in one? i just had to reset the status of a few...
[15:46] <nigelb> you'll get there ;)
[15:46] <nigelb> bug 497117
[15:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497117 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i915gm] Firefox appears to crash Ubuntu (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497117
[15:47] <ddecator> nigelb, that's someone else, but thanks for taking care of that haha
[15:47] <nigelb> no problem :)
[15:47] <micahg> nigelb: ah, yeah..thanks
[15:47] <nigelb> should we have the LP downtime on /topic? wise to have it?
[15:48] <ddecator> micahg, yah i got a few emails about mercedes this morning just for firefox, idk if anything got changed for -3.0 or -3.5
[15:50] <micahg> nigelb: well, not the focus of this channel...should be in #launchpad topic though
[15:50] <nigelb> its there
[15:50] <nigelb> but if we get excessive, I can't file a bug
[15:50] <nigelb> it would be nice to have it here too
[15:51] <micahg> what do you mean if we get excessive...
[15:51] <nigelb> well, lots of people popping in to ask why they are not able to file bugs
[15:51] <micahg> nigelb: IIRC, that doesn't usually happen
[15:51] <nigelb> but if LP directs them to #launchpad or shows a sane error message, no worries
[15:51] <nigelb> ah, then fine :)
[15:52] <ddecator> micahg, mind taking a look at bug 524065 ? i'm not sure if you know what the cause would be or not
[15:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524065 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Download Manager does not display an icon to download (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524065
[15:52] <micahg> hggdh: do you think we should file a block request for this user changing all the statuses or try email first?
[15:52] <ddecator> (title isn't the clearist...)
[15:54] <micahg> ddecator: I think that's an upstream issue that's been filed already...I forgot the bug number
[15:54] <micahg> although, I'm not sure if it's firefox or not
[15:55] <micahg> ddecator: BTW, good job on finding that upstream bug for the deleted search box
[15:55] <hggdh> let me see it
[15:56] <micahg> hggdh: the user?
[15:56] <ddecator> micahg, thanks, i'm getting better at figuring bugzilla out haha. i wasn't sure if this was upstream since windows uses the default icons. i can look for an upstream report though
[15:56] <hggdh> yes. Have a link? I am not sure I know who you are talking about
[15:58] <micahg> hggdh: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~preciousa1237
[15:58] <ddecator> hggdh, bug 501393 is one example
[15:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501393 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Integrate Firefox notifications with notify-osd bling (affects: 3) (dups: 1)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501393
[15:59] <LimCore> apache crashing bug is security?
[16:00] <nigelb> hggdh: we probably need status changes made by a user to show in their LP history, (it does not right now)
[16:00] <hggdh> LimCore: probably not
[16:00] <hggdh> nigelb: indeed
[16:01] <nigelb> I'll file it when I get time.  Busy days.  New timings at work
[16:01] <hggdh> I can see only one bug the user changed
[16:01] <hggdh> ddecator: ^
[16:02] <micahg> hggdh: I have gotten at least 3
[16:02] <ddecator> hggdh, yah that's why i provided one example, i can provide another...one sec
[16:04] <ddecator> what the...i know i had en email for another one that someone else reset the status on, but it's not in my trash
[16:05] <ddecator> oh, the same the micahg just had to take him off of assigned...
[16:05] <ddecator> hggdh, bug 432876
[16:05] <ubot4> ddecator: Bug 432876 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/432876 is private
[16:06] <LimCore> hggdh: crashing apache is not DoS security problem?
[16:06] <ddecator> huh, still got an email for it...
[16:06] <LimCore> bug #531441
[16:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531441 in apache2 (Ubuntu) "[karmic] Apache crashes (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531441
[16:06] <ddecator> pretty sure it's not private, but ok
[16:06] <hggdh> LimCore: not necessarily, and probably not
[16:07] <hggdh> ddecator: indeed it is not private
[16:07] <ddecator> hggdh, thought so haha, i'm looking at it now
[16:08] <hggdh> let's try first by sending him/her an email asking not to do it, and linking the HelpingWithBugs
[16:08] <ddecator> hggdh, good deal, thanks =)
[16:08] <hggdh> new user, may just be lost/experimenting
[16:08] <ddecator> it does make the karma requirement appealing...
[16:09] <hggdh> ddecator: please copy the text of the email with a comment of why to the -control ML (so that we all know this was done)
[16:09] <ddecator> hggdh, which email? you mean about the karma requirement that a bug was filed for?
[16:10] <hggdh> no the one (via +contactuser) to mercedes
[16:10] <ddecator> hggdh, oh, you want me to send the email to mercedes?
[16:11] <hggdh> I had understood you would...
[16:11] <hggdh> but I can do it
[16:11] <ddecator> hggdh, haha i was thanking you for doing it, but i can if you want. just let me know
[16:13] <hggdh> I will do it
[16:13] <hggdh> :-)
[16:13] <ddecator> thanks, your the pro at this ;)
[16:13] <hggdh> (so to stop the "wait for me to wait for you" :-)
[16:17] <ddecator> micahg, mozilla 410094 looks good to me
[16:17] <ubot4> Mozilla bug 410094 in Download Manager "Missing file type icons in download manager" [Minor,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=410094
[16:22] <ddecator> micahg, i linked it downstream. if you can put it on the upstream report and mark the downstream [low, triaged], i think we're set for that one
[16:26] <nigelb> hggdh, micahg: http://shermann.name/content/thank-you-micah-and-zend-framework-1-10-2
[16:27] <nigelb> :)
[16:27] <hggdh> heh. Way to go, micahg :-)
[16:29]  * nigelb hugs micahg :)
[16:31] <micahg> heh..cool
[16:32] <micahg> thanks hggdh, nigelb
[16:40] <micahg> seb128: is CSD in Lucid an upstream GNOME thing or an Ubuntu thing?
[16:40] <seb128> micahg, ubuntu for now it was too late for GNOME schedule this cycle
[16:41] <seb128> ie after their feature freeze
[16:41] <seb128> it will be GNOME upstream probably next cycle though
[16:41] <seb128> micahg, why?
[16:42] <micahg> seb128: well, I saw the bugs cody opened for firefox and thunderbird and was wondering if this is something that needs to be upstreamed for a more permanent fix
[16:43] <seb128> micahg, better to talk to bratsche about that maybe, not sure if that's a gtk issue or a firefox one
[16:43] <seb128> or in which one it should be worked
[16:45] <micahg> seb128: k
[17:06] <jcastro> bdmurray: who is scheduling bug days while pedro is gone?
[17:06] <bdmurray> jcastro: we hadn't anticipated his absence on Thursday...
[17:06] <bdmurray> jcastro: Do you want to set one up? ;-)
[17:07] <jcastro> I was hoping to request one and then have you guys go off and do the actual work. :D
[17:07] <bdmurray> I bet!
[17:08] <bdmurray> jcastro: for next week? its a bit short notice for tomorrow
[17:08] <jcastro> for whenever
[17:09] <jcastro> Gwibber bugs need love
[17:09] <jcastro> bdmurray: this guy om26er has adopted it and he's doing a good job there, so I was thinking one day to help get them under control would help out ken and ryan a ton
[17:11] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning - you could put it there ;-)
[17:11] <jcastro> ok!
[17:44] <bdmurray> aburch: you are all set now
[17:58] <SoftwareExplorer> I reported a bug on launchpad that apport retracing said was a duplicate of another bug. That bug didn't have a way to reproduce it and it was forwarded to the gnome bug tracker, where it was marked as RESOLVED INCOMPLETE because the person didn't know how to reproduce it. I logged in and added instructions to reproduce it, but I can't figure out how to mark it as REOPENED.
[17:59] <SoftwareExplorer> (I guess I should actually ask a question) So, how can I set the bug to reopened?
[18:14] <hggdh> heh. Gone
[18:16] <kklimonda> well, after all it's IRC - you should response faster!
[18:16]  * kklimonda cracks his whip!
[18:16] <kklimonda> work, work, work!
[18:18]  * bender_pharaoh ports Ubuntu to GNU/Hurd
[18:18]  * bender_pharaoh *whip* now fix all the bugs. and REMEMBER ME
[18:25] <hggdh> yes, master, right away, master
[18:26]  * hggdh goes back to reading the book, confident master cannot see it
[18:32] <thekorn> bdmurray, hey, can you please (one last time) extend my membership im bughelper-devs, before we decide how to go on with this team/project
[18:32] <thekorn> s/im7in
[18:32] <thekorn> em, fail
[18:33] <thekorn> I mainly would like to be member of this team because of lp:~bughelper-dev/bughelper/bughelper-ng
[18:35] <bdmurray> thekorn: you are an admin of the team - can you not change your own membership?
[18:36] <thekorn> bdmurray, I can change everything except my own expiry date
[18:36] <thekorn> which is kind of strange
[18:37] <bdmurray> heh that's neat
[18:37] <thekorn> maybe it is even a bug that an admin can expire from a team at all
[18:37] <thekorn> not sure what would happen if the only admin expires
[18:54] <hggdh> one way to find out, thekorn
[18:54] <hggdh> >-)
[18:55] <thekorn> oi :)
[18:55] <thekorn> staging might help herte
[18:55] <thekorn> -t
[18:56] <thekorn> oh, thanks for the reminder, /me goes creating the apporrt bug
[18:56]  * genii ponders Hurdbuntu
[19:05] <thekorn> hggdh, bug 531535
[19:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531535 in apport "use generic ~/.launchpadlib folder to store credentials and cache (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531535
[19:06] <hggdh> thekorn: thank you
[19:29] <hggdh> who deals with libc/locales?
[19:41] <limcore> KJMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[19:41]  * limcore removes cat
[21:07] <BUGabundo> seb128: to get     - git update to revert the tab at the bottom change (lp: #509079) done after upgrades
[21:07] <BUGabundo> all I need to do is kill nautilus ?
[21:07] <seb128> yes, nautilus --quit
[21:08] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:08] <BUGabundo> still on bottom
[21:09] <BUGabundo> nautilus:
[21:09] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1:2.29.91-0ubuntu1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:09] <BUGabundo> not updated yet
[21:09] <BUGabundo>  *** 1:2.29.91-0ubuntu1 0
[21:09] <BUGabundo>         500 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt lucid/main Packages
[21:09] <BUGabundo>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages
[21:09] <BUGabundo> wasn't it fix released?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> nautilus (1:2.29.91-0ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low
[21:13] <BUGabundo> seb128: ^^^^^
[21:13] <seb128> BUGabundo, change mirror?
[21:13] <BUGabundo> using main
[21:14] <seb128> what arch?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> 64
[21:14] <seb128> use a better arch? ;-)
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[21:14] <seb128> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/1:2.29.91-0ubuntu2/+build/1541482
[21:14] <BUGabundo> I am
[21:14] <seb128> it built one hour ago
[21:14] <seb128> wait for publishing or get the debs there
[21:17] <BUGabundo> Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main nautilus 1:2.29.91-0ubuntu2 [1,259kB]
[21:17] <BUGabundo> there we go
[21:20] <BUGabundo> seb128: I can confirm its fixed!
[21:20] <BUGabundo> *but* still no keyb shortcuts to change tabs
[21:29] <seb128> BUGabundo, did you see that bug getting closed? ;-)
[21:30] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I'm tracking it too
[21:30] <BUGabundo> glad desktop team or uptream reverted this code
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hope to get the other too
[21:30] <seb128> ;-)
[21:43] <strycore> Hi
[21:44] <strycore> I'd like to learn how to fix bug 531629
[21:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531629 in xdebug (Ubuntu) "xdebug can't be installed : wrong virtual package (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531629
[21:44] <BUGabundo> strycore: try #ubuntu-motu
[21:45] <strycore> I wasn't sure if I should ask bugsquad or MOTUs , thanks ;)
[21:45] <BUGabundo> well if you want to help triage it
[21:45] <BUGabundo> its in here
[21:45] <BUGabundo> if you actually want to provide patchs to it, its there :D
[21:46] <BUGabundo> what ever it is, thanks for helping
[22:08] <ikt> during bootup my screen will freeze and I have to hit enter for it to continue booting, do I file a bug directly under plymouth?
[22:12]  * ikt pokes channel
[22:13] <charlie-tca> file it under your video card
[22:13] <charlie-tca> or "xorg" in general
[22:13] <ikt> cheers
[22:46] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/531650
[22:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531650 in xorg (Ubuntu) "freeze during bootup (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]


[07:36] <qli> what's going on here
[07:39] <jmarsden> qli: Nothing.  There is no class now.  See http://is.gd/8rtIi for the class schedule
[07:43] <qli> noted with thanks.


 How goes it. What do you mean?
[10:02] <kbmonkey> Must be telkom.
[10:03] <Squirm> kbmonkey: http://pastebin.com/NEUwUV3A
[10:04] <kbmonkey> Logging in/out of remote shell and into xchat Squirm
[10:04] <Squirm> Ok
[10:48] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey wb lkad
[10:48] <Kilos> lad
[10:49] <Kilos> house things there kbmonkey ???
[11:01] <kbmonkey> good Kilos and yourself?
[11:02] <Kilos> good too ty. just slow to answer
[11:02] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:02] <kbmonkey> we catch up when you done eating :)
[11:15] <Kilos> im back kbmonkey
[11:15] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos
[11:15] <Kilos> you all sorted with work and stuff?
[11:15] <kbmonkey> yes kind of mostly
[11:16] <Kilos> nice
[11:16] <kbmonkey> I get to work from home while they looking for new offices
[11:16] <kbmonkey> You still playing minetest?
[11:16] <Kilos> nope too much data
[11:16] <Kilos> i sleep lots
[11:17] <Kilos> got meds that make me tired
[11:25] <kbmonkey> Ag well sleep is sometimes necessary oom.
[11:25] <Kilos> lol
[12:00] <Kilos> and tara now running ubuntu live fash to try repair hdd
[12:00] <Kilos> flash
[12:01] <kbmonkey> Okay
[12:04] <Kilos> and so fast and so argumentative
[12:04] <Kilos> sigh
[12:05] <kbmonkey> Whipper snappers!
[12:06] <Kilos> ai!
[12:06] <Kilos> why apt-get update
[12:06] <Kilos> i dont want to update the flassh
[12:07] <Kilos> sigh
[12:07] <Kilos> kids
[12:08] <kbmonkey> you can install apps in live but they disappear on reboot
[12:08] <Kilos> ya but how do you use testdisk if you havent done update to see what packages arent on the iso
[12:09] <Kilos> sigh
[12:09] <thatgraemeguy> as always, if you are having that much trouble there's a decent chance you are doing something you ought not to be doing
[12:09] <kbmonkey> recovering lost partitions? eek.
[12:10] <Kilos> drive stuffed
[12:10] <Kilos> so i get some rest
[12:11] <Kilos> drives me nuts when i supply a command and get a why
[12:11] <thatgraemeguy> o.o
[12:11] <thatgraemeguy> -.-
[12:11] <Kilos> like i say my kids are a bit rough on things and get this
[12:12] <Kilos> TaraLynn: This one just decided that it wanted to leap off my lap
[12:12] <Kilos> naughty lappy
[12:12] <kbmonkey> laptops: good in theory, bad in practice
[12:13] <Kilos> ya
[12:13] <Kilos> you forget about charger cable etc and move a bit and crash
[12:13] <Kilos> oops
[12:13] <Kilos> why did it break
[12:14] <Kilos> why isnt my favourite word
[12:14] <kbmonkey> lol
[12:15] <kbmonkey> the curse of spinning magnetic plates
[12:15] <Kilos> lol
[12:32]  * mazal peaks in
[12:35] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch ?
[12:35] <Maaz> mazal: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you
[12:36] <Kilos> hi mazal
[12:39] <mazal> gaanit oom ?
[12:39] <Kilos> stil en daar
[12:39] <mazal> Stil en undercover , raasie baie nie
[12:39] <Kilos> lol
[12:40] <Kilos> tyd om weer te gaan slaap
[17:19] <stucomplex> hrrrmmmm
[17:19] <stucomplex> Herro
[17:30] <Kilos> hi stucomplex
[17:30] <Kilos> wassup
[17:35] <stucomplex> just saying hi :D
[17:36] <Kilos> cool :)
[18:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <inetpro> oh my, did I even greet anybody here today?
[19:00] <inetpro> hi everybody
[19:05] <inetpro> at least now that I greeted everybody here I get to go sleep in peace
[19:53] <superfly> inetpro: it's not bed time yet
[20:08] <kulelu88> superfly: what phone do you use?
[20:08] <superfly> LG G2
[20:08] <kulelu88> android or cyanogen?
[20:09] <superfly> LG stock ROM
[20:09] <kulelu88> hard to find alternatives
[20:10] <superfly> Haven't seen any clear advantage to go with CyanogenMod, though I am a fan.
[20:10] <kulelu88> well cyanogen is not exactly a true alternative.
[20:10] <superfly> Well, they're all pretty much Android's version of distros
[20:21] <kulelu88> There is genuinely no alternative to android and iphone. it's quite shocking
[20:25] <superfly> kulelu88: I think Ubuntu Phone has potential, but it has no ecosystem.
[20:25] <kulelu88> superfly: any phone that supports: encrypted messaging, email and a light web browser is all I need
[20:25] <kulelu88> fekk those apps that want to know what underwear I wear just to play a game
[20:27] <superfly> kulelu88: there should be a review of Ubuntu Phone on MyBroadband soon (in the next few weeks)
[20:27] <kulelu88> superfly: I heard MTN had firefox OS phones. So I went into a few MTN stores and they didn't know what it was
[20:28] <superfly> pffff
[20:28] <superfly> Sales people don't know how to use  their own phones
[20:29] <kulelu88> superfly: I'd take firefox OS over ubuntu though. Stringing apps together in JS/HTML will be a piece of cake
[20:30] <superfly> mmm. I'd like to play around with a FirefoxOS phone.
[20:30] <kulelu88> and its lightweight, so for R1500 it could be a solid long-term replacement
[21:11] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos where's that page where I apply for money to buy an Ubuntu phone?
[21:11] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:31] <kulelu88> superfly: Actually, we can buy them right now: http://store.bq.com/gl/smartphones/ubuntu-edition-e5
[21:31] <kulelu88> superfly: I'm not too good on mobile specs, so is that price reasonable?
[21:41] <superfly> kulelu88: I played around with one, it's fairly decent.
[21:42] <superfly> it stuttered (very) occasionally
[21:44] <kulelu88> if I kept it clean and only used it as a business phone would it suffice? superfly
[21:45] <superfly> I reckon so. I don't think it would become horrible. But, wait for the review on MyBroadband.


[00:00] <daftykins> disconnect your second SSD which is acting up... boot a live session, make a /home on the  / partition, comment out /home from the faulty SSD in your /etc/fstab then you'd have a working install to use in the meantime
[00:00] <Safiyyah> And when the new drive comes?
[00:01] <daftykins> you'd have a working install so that you could plug it in and use non live-session programs to set it up ready
[00:01] <Safiyyah> Okay I will have to cross that bridge when I  get to it because my brain can't understand it
[00:02] <Safiyyah> Anyway  I  have backed up everything that I remember is urgent
[00:02] <Safiyyah> So it won't h
[00:03] <Safiyyah> Am trying to remember what other hidden files I need...  Lol
[00:03] <Safiyyah> Okay am ready
[00:03] <Safiyyah> So power down.    I just remembered that I have a cable which connects the power supply and the SATA plus.  And it's a splitting one (combined one ) not two separate ones. Could that also be the issue?
[00:15] <Safiyyah> Yes Daftykins 12.04
[00:15] <daftykins> very highly doubt it
[00:15] <Safiyyah> This whole affair has made me want to eat
[00:16] <Safiyyah> But at least I can sleep knowing my files are safe
[00:16] <Safiyyah> Lol the idea of losing them made me want to go lie down
[00:17] <daftykins> you may have to make your backups more often when you get settled again ;)
[00:18] <Safiyyah> Yeah
[00:18] <Safiyyah> This has been rather scary
[00:18] <Safiyyah> The problem is that once the computer works for Bout 6 months.  You forget about the reality of loosing data and return to ones old ways
[00:19] <daftykins> :)
[00:19] <Safiyyah> Daftykins everything is up and running
[00:19] <Safiyyah> Joining via the web
[00:20] <daftykins> ok fire up a terminal and run "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[00:21] <daftykins> followed by "cat /etc/fstab" then pastebin that
[00:21] <daftykins> oops
[00:21] <daftykins> nope ignore that
[00:21] <daftykins> "cat /mnt/etc/fstab"
[00:21] <Safiyyah2> hello
[00:23] <Safiyyah> Firefox is frozen.  And terminal says it can't read superblock
[00:24] <daftykins> hmm
[00:24] <daftykins> maybe it's not gonna be as easy as initially thought :P
[00:25] <daftykins> you could try "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt" but i doubt it'd make much difference to a superblock error
[00:26] <Safiyyah> Firefox has crashed three times on the webchat
[00:26] <daftykins> that's not a good sign at all
[00:27] <daftykins> maybe running a memtest after all wouldn't hurt
[00:27] <daftykins> perhaps it's better to do that overnight and come back to things tomorrow, as it's already crazy o'clock
[00:27] <Safiyyah> Perhaps we should check the health of this hard drive as well
[00:27] <daftykins> well, SSDs don't report things as do hard disks. so there's nothing i know of that'd say
[00:28] <Safiyyah> Hmm
[00:28] <daftykins> you can see if the kernel is crying with "dmesg | tail" again
[00:29] <Safiyyah> I  can't paste in Firefox.  It says cannot set free 48000 to ep 0×86
[00:30] <Safiyyah> Free = freq
[00:30] <Safiyyah> Spell check on phone changes text sometimes
[00:31] <daftykins> *nod* autocorrect is a pain
[00:31] <daftykins> i think memtest would be a good move
[00:31] <Safiyyah> The pastebin is at 9351347
[00:32] <Safiyyah> Pkease type the full link then that number for my oaste
[00:33] <daftykins> oh hmm nothing much detailed about that
[00:33] <Safiyyah> Hmm
[00:33] <daftykins> yeah, i still vote memtest :>
[00:33] <Safiyyah> Are you telling me am better off with an old school HDD?
[00:33] <Safiyyah> Yes well memtest takes hours
[00:33] <daftykins> oh dear Tux, no
[00:33] <daftykins> sure does
[00:34] <Safiyyah> Can leave it running overnight
[00:34] <daftykins> but it also saves me a lot of time once i discover machines i'm working on are wonky
[00:34] <daftykins> yip
[00:34] <Safiyyah> What time roughly will you be about?
[00:34] <Safiyyah> 10 11.
[00:34] <Safiyyah> ?
[00:34] <daftykins> late evening
[00:34] <Safiyyah> Oh my god,  you are trying to kill me
[00:35] <Safiyyah> Will be back
[00:35] <Safiyyah> Thank you ever so much
[00:35] <daftykins> anytime ^_^
[00:35] <daftykins> you can always try the rest of this channel in the day time
[00:35] <daftykins> plenty of us about
[00:35] <Safiyyah> So that's grub and then memtest?
[00:35] <daftykins> i would use the one on the 12.04 liveCD
[00:36] <Safiyyah> OH
[00:36] <Safiyyah> How do I  do that?
[00:36] <daftykins> when it's booting and is purple, you get a little icon at the bottom of the screen - press enter and a language select menu comes up
[00:36] <daftykins> then 'memory test' is on the menu behind
[00:39] <Safiyyah> Is this checking the RAM
[00:39] <Safiyyah> ?
[00:41] <ali1234> if yoou see a mostly blue screen with white writing, and some red and green bits, and lots of crazy numbers, then yes
[00:42] <Safiyyah> Okay
[00:43] <daftykins> mmhmm
[00:43] <Safiyyah> Will leave it over night
[00:43] <Safiyyah> Report back tomorrow
[00:43] <daftykins> righty-o
[00:43] <daftykins> nn o/
[00:43] <Safiyyah> Night guys.  At least I got my data
[01:34] <daftykins> heh just had fun with a cheap powerline kit
[01:34] <daftykins> here's my reference wired gigabit file copy from server to laptop:
[01:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j9z3vys0i9apgvo/wiredtest.gif?dl=0
[01:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3140rv4kypk5dnc/powerlinetest.gif?dl=0
[01:34] <daftykins> "500Mbps" power line adapters with a 100Mb port are officially false advertising imo \o/
[02:36] <shauno> what happens if you have more than 2 such adaptors?
[02:37] <shauno> I mean, say you have 4, can you get 100mbit from A-B and C-D simultaneously?
[02:38] <daftykins> mmm not sure
[02:39] <daftykins> depends what routes your house mains wiring runs
[02:40] <shauno> actually, I guess it's a pointless question unless you can also do A-C and B-D :)
[02:41] <daftykins> that's the thing i don't quite get, i see it as being surely just point to point
[02:41] <daftykins> but the box of the item paints a different picture
[02:42] <shauno> I guess that's what I was wondering.  if it's simply point-to-point, then you'd expect 500meg straight through
[02:42] <shauno> if it's actually a network to itself, then 500meg becomes the capacity of the 'trunk' (mains)
[02:43] <daftykins> i think it is, and likely they refer to 500Mb because of overhead
[02:43] <daftykins> as otherwise calling that 500 but the ports being 100Mb is pretty fail design :D
[02:43] <daftykins> http://uk.tp-link.com/resources/document/TL-PA451KIT%28UK_V2_Datasheet.pdf
[02:44] <daftykins> here we go, check out the picture at the bottom
[02:44] <daftykins> or i can take an image if you'd prefer not to touch PDF :>
[02:44] <shauno> heh
[02:44] <shauno> I'm on a mac, pdf is handled pretty natively :)
[02:44] <daftykins> ^_^
[02:45] <shauno> hm, see their diagram shows 6 points being used on one network (not 3 pairs)
[02:46] <intrbiz> as I understand it, powerline networking is a broadcast medium
[02:46] <intrbiz> so the 500Mb/s is the global bandwidth
[02:46] <intrbiz> regardless that each plug can only handle 100Mb/s
[02:47] <daftykins> ah i see
[02:47] <intrbiz> its a little like WiFI in that the WiFi bandwidth is global
[02:47] <daftykins> so you can indeed add 2 and it becomes a triangle of funkiness 0o
[02:47] <daftykins> sorry, add 1 to my kit of 2
[02:47] <intrbiz> so with single stream N, 150Mb/s between two stations would max the air space
[02:47] <shauno> 3's a bad example because you couldn't get two 100mbit streams through without saturating one first
[02:47] <intrbiz> so that other stations could not reach 150Mb/s
[02:48] <shauno> but with 4 you should be able to get 2 100meg streams a-b and c-d
[02:48] <intrbiz> so a 500Mb/s P/L network could handle 5 x 100Mb/s plugs talking at the same time
[02:48] <intrbiz> effectively thing of it as a time divided shared medium
[02:48] <shauno> it's a shame they don't have a variant with a gig-e port though.  having the router behind a 100meg port is a bit sadface
[02:49] <intrbiz> rarely the router has > 100Mb/s internet connection
[02:49] <daftykins> yeah, makes me love my cat6 even more :>
[02:49] <shauno> I don't mind being rare :)
[02:49] <daftykins> likely i'll gift these to friends who don't quite have the same standards
[02:50] <shauno> I avoid powerline stuff because it sounds like a nightmare for my radios
[02:51] <intrbiz> at one point HAM groups did try to mount legal action over the EMI of Powerline
[02:51] <daftykins> that's true, we had someone the other day saying it was evil
[02:51] <shauno> well it should't really propogate far
[02:51] <shauno> but I think it's a safe assumption that it'd be noticable within my own home at least
[02:52] <intrbiz> yes, but it does place interference onto the mains, which might not be filtered by a radios PSU
[02:52] <intrbiz> unless you've got a good range of caps in that
[02:52] <shauno> well, it's going to turn every mains cable on that circuit into radiators too
[02:52] <daftykins> i could probably test that as just now i tested its' speed by going up into my bedroom where i have a micro component hi-fi with a squeezebox (wifi music streamer)
[02:55] <intrbiz> daftykins: btw getting 11.4MB/s on 100Mb/s port is basically maxing the line
[02:55] <daftykins> yes, i know networking sir ;)
[02:55] <daftykins> you can see i'm alost saturating gigabit \o/
[02:56] <daftykins> RAID -> SSD was the first image
[03:06] <daftykins> kinda surprised i got 2 cables in with the box
[03:07] <daftykins> nice of them to make a kit... an actual kit :)
[04:59] <markp> hi night owls
[05:05] <daftykins> o hai
[05:09] <zmoylan-pi> twit twoo
[05:43] <markp> hey= zmoylan-pi
[05:43] <markp> hey daftykins
[05:44] <daftykins> o hai
[05:44] <daftykins> just about to call it
[05:44] <daftykins> broken again :<
[05:45] <zmoylan-pi> what's broken?
[05:45] <markp> ?:(
[05:46] <daftykins> my sleep schedule :D
[05:47] <zmoylan-pi> a very hard thing to fix
[05:48] <daftykins> indeed!
[05:48] <daftykins> especially with not much going on in winter time
[05:48] <daftykins> alright, i'm gonna head off... g'night gents \o
[05:48] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well
[05:49] <daftykins> ty!
[05:55] <mapps> gah cursor froze
[05:55] <mapps> stupid win8
[05:58] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the word stupid redundant when you say win8? :-)
[05:59] <mapps> :D
[06:04] <mapps> this itpl tennis has some funny rules
[06:04] <mapps> power point..reciever can chose one point per set to be worth double heh
[06:08] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of sportsball thing? or video game thereof? :-)
[06:09] <mapps> real play..tennis some new league
[06:09] <mapps> got some biug names in it
[06:19] <mapps> need some new bedtime comedies;d
[06:27] <zmoylan-pi> have you tried the bbc radio comedy cabin pressure?
[06:27] <mapps> nah never...whats it about?
[06:28] <mapps> and on iplayer?
[06:33] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to get it other ways these days.  it stars cumberbatch of sherlock fame as a pilot in one plane airline.  very very funny.  25 episode over 4 series and last episode in a few weeks
[06:46] <mapps> night
[06:46] <mapps> off to sleep:)
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:45] <directhex> an ubuntu tablet. with spinning rust. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-ubutab-a-1tb-ubuntu-tablet-for-media-lovers
[08:49] <ali1234> $36000 for a one off production run at $290 per device?
[08:52] <MooDoo> there is this one as well i found this morning. - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-ubutab-a-1tb-ubuntu-tablet-for-media-lovers
[08:52] <MooDoo> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/imp-the-tiny-home-computer sorry this one
[08:53] <ali1234> >_<
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Make A Gift Day! :-D
[09:50] <zmoylan-pi> use the heaviest paper possible when wrapping and see if the statistics show more postman injured this year in deliveries
[09:52] <mjayk> Good morning JamesTait
[09:58] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait
[10:03] <JamesTait> mjayk, MooDoo: o/
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[10:44] <brobostigon> moringin zmoylan-pi
[11:02] <mjayk> hay ho sir
[11:11] <diddledan> popey, you asked me to ping you when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993837 occurs again. so ping.
[11:12] <popey> aha
[11:12] <popey> diddledan: do you have multiple screens?
[11:12] <diddledan> I do, yes
[11:12] <popey> using unity?
[11:12] <diddledan> yup
[11:13] <popey> if you click the update manager do you get a solid triangle to the left of it in the launcher?
[11:13] <popey> or an empty one?
[11:13] <diddledan> indeed I do
[11:13] <diddledan> a solid one
[11:13] <popey> can you alt-tab to it?
[11:14] <diddledan> it appears in the list but selecting it doesn't bring it to the fore
[11:14] <popey> ok
[11:14] <popey> alt-tab to it
[11:14] <popey> then ALT+space
[11:15] <popey> does a menu appear?
[11:15] <popey> and, if you alt-tab to it, then alt-space then (if menu appears) choose move, does the window appear?
[11:16] <diddledan> no, it leaves hexchat in the fore (the previously active window) and alt-space opens hexchat's menu (as proven by selecting minimize from the menu and having hexchat disappear)
[11:16] <popey> ok
[11:16] <popey> press Super + W, do you see the update manager window?
[11:17] <popey> if not, press Super + Shift + W and do you see it then?
[11:17] <diddledan> nope
[11:17] <diddledan> neither of those show it
[11:17] <popey> 14.04 or 14.10?
[11:17] <diddledan> 14.10
[11:18] <diddledan> I've seen it in successive releases though, but can't remember how far back it goes
[11:18] <popey> is it a particularly slow pc?
[11:18] <diddledan> not at all
[11:20] <popey> hmmmm
[11:26] <popey> diddledan: has your system got a high uptime?
[11:26] <popey> i.e. has unity been updated but not restarted for a while?
[11:26] <diddledan> 11:26:31 up 12:34,  2 users,  load average: 0.60, 0.46, 0.32
[11:26] <diddledan> I wouldn't consider that high
[11:27] <diddledan> but no updates have been applied since last reboot
[11:31] <popey> hmm
[11:32] <popey> Not sure then, sorry.
[11:32] <popey> I suspect bamf
[11:33]  * popey asks a desktop person
[11:49] <diddledan> doing my bit for the enemy: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531526
[11:49] <diddledan> o_O
[11:49] <diddledan> lubotu does gentoo buglinks?
[11:52] <shauno> I believe it does RH, so why not?
[11:52] <diddledan> because they're the enema
[11:52] <diddledan> :-p
[11:53] <shauno> bugs are the enemy :)
[11:53] <Myrtti> Is that the one I mentioned some days back?
[11:53] <shauno> I believe so
[11:53] <diddledan> Myrtti, yes
[12:15] <diddledan> Myrtti, popey, do you know whether the ubuntu security team aware of the openvpn vulnerability?
[12:15] <popey> they're on the usual lists
[12:15] <Myrtti> no idea, I've been concentrating on my own issues
[12:15] <popey> you can pop by #ubuntu-security
[12:15] <diddledan> it wasn't announced on a usual list IIRC
[12:24] <jpds> diddledan: Already released.
[12:25] <diddledan> thanks, jpds
[12:25] <jpds> diddledan: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2430-1/
[12:25] <diddledan> aah, yesterday
[12:26]  * jpds pats his IPsec connections instead.
[12:26] <diddledan> ipsec ftw
[12:26] <diddledan> I've always found it a pain to configure tho
[12:27] <jpds> diddledan: Not on Ubuntu, it isn't anymore.
[12:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:35] <bigcalm> intrbiz: ping
[12:56] <diddledan> pong
[12:56] <bigcalm> !ping
[12:56] <bigcalm> !ding
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> denny
[12:56] <bigcalm> !king
[12:56] <diddledan> !sing
[12:57] <diddledan> bah
[12:57] <diddledan> lubotu3, you suck
[13:01] <awilkins> The bot in *our* IRC channel hurls an obscenity at you if you tell it it sucks....
[13:01] <diddledan> awilkins, now that's a bot I can do business with!
[13:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: you need help
[13:08] <davmor2> also bigcalm marco
[13:09] <bigcalm> !marco
[13:09] <bigcalm> Hehe, yeah, that's missing
[13:41] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ivFpsmEVQ
[13:41] <diddledan> http://www.kitguru.net/channel/jon-martindale/say-goodbye-to-clip-art/
[13:45] <diddledan> directhex, that's awesome
[13:50] <diddledan> and now I get this as related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOZgQy8qrw
[14:05] <Safiyyah> Daftykins, Ali1234  are you around?
[14:09] <Safiyyah> Sandisk does not support Linux and their drivers in order to test the drive are only for Mac and Windows users because well apparently Linux allows user to change settings
[14:10] <Safiyyah> I think this is my first and last purchase of SanDisk
[14:10] <diddledan> Safiyyah, tell them the drive isn't recognised by the computer. it has nothing to do with linux
[14:12] <Safiyyah> Am so angry!
[14:12] <Safiyyah> They haven't got a clue about anything!
[14:12] <Safiyyah> They are telling me to try a different SATA cable
[14:13] <Safiyyah> Diddledan you know Samsung supports Linux.....  It was between this drive and a Samsung one and I chose this one.  £115 down the toilet!
[14:15] <intrbiz> Safiyyah: I'm intrigued, in what way does it not show up?
[14:17] <diddledan> intrbiz, it doesn't present a block device file in /dev - or rather it does for a few moments and then it disappears
[14:17] <diddledan> when using the drive on his booted system he gets system lockups
[14:18] <Safiyyah237> Diddledan I think we have to get the machine going in the meantime as Daftykins was saying last night.  This returns process will take 3 to 4 weeks.  I  have work to do
[14:18] <diddledan> we tried probing it with fdisk which reported it as being 600PB in size
[14:19] <intrbiz> right, that's a new one
[14:19] <diddledan> basically it's screwed
[14:19] <intrbiz> sounds like the disk hardware is fucked
[14:19] <diddledan> bingo
[14:20] <diddledan> but..
[14:20] <diddledan> !language
[14:20] <diddledan> :-p
[14:20] <Safiyyah237> Diddledan let me know if you have time to help me get the /root drive Corsair  going.  Because the OS is there but no home drive
[14:20] <intrbiz> my mate had a Samsung EV) 840 1TB, that died after less than a week, wouldn't how on the SATA bus at all, even to the controller
[14:20] <intrbiz> took about 4 weeks to get a replacement from Samsung
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> Daftykins said he would be back at night,  but this is a reality check that  I have to get the machine going in the meantime
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> OMG  I  was going to buy either the Samsung EVO Or this SanDisk X110
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> And decided on the SanDisk
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> Well at least Samsung  supports Linux
[14:22] <intrbiz> In what way do Samsun support Linux
[14:22] <Safiyyah237> Nothing more irritating than speaking to customer services who don't have a clue what to do
[14:22] <intrbiz> their fix tool for the 840 EV0 doesn't run on Linux
[14:22] <intrbiz> they provide a DOS boot iso
[14:22] <intrbiz> which crashes on AMD sata controllers
[14:22] <Safiyyah237> Ibtrbiz they have diagnostic tools that work for Linux users
[14:23] <intrbiz> right ok
[14:23] <Safiyyah237> Sandisk has nothing
[14:23] <Safiyyah237> Yes but then dos boot iso works on any platform
[14:23] <intrbiz> how old is it?
[14:24] <intrbiz> Safiyyah237: you'd think, but not so
[14:24] <intrbiz> lots of issues with, it had to be a CD and not a DVD and couldn't be USB, etc etc
[14:27] <Safiyyah237> Yeah I  have been unable to burn Ubuntu since the size grew to DVD size and I do prefer disks to USB....  So Cd not a bad thing. At least there is something that works
[14:30] <Safiyyah237> Diddledan be back in the evening again for stage two. Please.
[15:18] <diddledan> http://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/steve-wozniak-may-get-his-own-gadget-focused-reality-tv-show-1610819/
[15:25] <bashrc> more technology speculation. sounds like one to avoid
[15:25] <diddledan> it's woz, though!
[15:26] <bashrc> exactly
[15:27] <davmor2> diddledan: so there is 2 reasons to avoid it :)
[15:27] <diddledan> >.<
[15:28] <davmor2> diddledan: add to that the reality bit and I really don't want to know
[15:28] <diddledan> heh
[15:29] <diddledan> so linux networking - the linux bonding driver.. can I use that to double my throughput from a gigabit switch into a system with a pair of 10/100 NICs?
[15:31] <diddledan> i.e. my router is only 10/100 capable but I've got two internet connections dangled on the end which are aggregately more than the 10/100 throughput - so can I connect my lan-side via a bonded pair of 10/100's to allow the router to work at a speed more akin to the pair of internet connections combined?
[15:32] <diddledan> the load balancing on the internet side is already sorted via openwrt's thingy that does that
[15:32] <diddledan> (mwan3 according to the ui does the wan load balancing, so I just need the lan-side)
[15:56] <popey> hey chaps
[15:56] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TaoTronics-TT-BS003-Automatic-Sensing-Handheld/dp/B006LVO56W/
[15:56] <popey> that should work on linux?
[15:56] <popey> just a keyboard isn't it?
[16:04] <Daviey> popey: Hai.  I had one of those about 6 years ago.. it was indeed just a keyboard.
[16:04] <zmoylan-pi> the description mentions keyboard layouts so it's not trying to be fancy by the looks of it
[16:05] <popey> ta
[16:05] <Dave2> Operation System May NOT Compatible:
[16:06] <Dave2> - Blackberry Curves OS system / MacOS X versions
[16:14] <popey> haha
[17:21]  * isleofmandan met Mr S today. Nice chap.
[19:34] <abrams> hello :)
[19:47]  * DJones pokes Guest44253 with a new nickname
[20:40] <foobarry> is there an alternative touchpad driver i can use in the kernel?
[20:40] <foobarry> the one i have is rubbish
[20:44] <foobarry> GlidePoint Virtual Touchpad as /devices/virtual/input/input14
[20:44] <foobarry> AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input16
[21:06] <foobarry> hmm seem to have found a solution after 6 months of struggle
[21:06] <diddledan> \o/
[21:09] <foobarry> got a "new" psmouse-alps driver
[21:09] <foobarry> not sure what version the old one was
[21:10] <daftykins> tum te tum
[21:10] <daftykins> i see i missed our visitor
[21:11] <foobarry> i hide joins/quits
[21:14] <daftykins> nah i have highlights from backlog in my away log :>
[21:14] <diddledan> potentially not safe for children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skVxj-HYzew
[21:15] <daftykins> "diddledan: not safe for children" :D
[21:15]  * diddledan mutters something about shoving family friendly somewhere painful :-p
[21:15] <diddledan> daftykins, that makes me sound like a predator
[21:15] <foobarry> got sent to coventry today
[21:16] <foobarry> attending HPC conf
[21:16] <diddledan> foobarry, yey?
[21:16] <foobarry> got a red feodra from redhat :D
[21:16] <daftykins> diddledan: sorry, chap
[21:16] <daftykins> you're more of an... opportunist
[21:16] <daftykins> :>
[21:16] <diddledan> lol
[21:16] <foobarry> got some stickers for my son
[21:17] <daftykins> foobarry: did you ask what you're meant to do with it? is it cheap and nasty?
[21:17] <foobarry> soon he will have ubuntu and cray stickers on his scooter
[21:17] <foobarry> no, its a nice hat, very nice
[21:17] <daftykins> ooh
[21:17] <foobarry> "my other computer is a cray"
[21:17] <diddledan> my other computer is an abacus
[21:18] <daftykins> i think they missed a trick there
[21:18] <daftykins> "my other computer IS cray"
[21:18] <daftykins> eh? eh?
[21:18] <diddledan> thas craycray!
[21:19] <foobarry> got some special beer
[21:19] <foobarry> 7%
[21:19] <foobarry> will be giving it to a college
[21:19] <foobarry> colleague
[21:19] <diddledan> oh dear, we've turned into teenagers
[21:19] <daftykins> LOL a college
[21:19] <daftykins> that's perfect
[21:19] <diddledan> lol
[21:19] <daftykins> get some special brew, 9% iirc
[21:20] <daftykins> horrible stuff :P
[21:21] <foobarry> syrup
[21:22] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/CFb1m1o.jpg
[21:22] <daftykins> Skype is shameless on Windows, "make MSN my homepage"
[21:22] <daftykins> haha, no
[21:25] <foobarry>  https://twitter.com/SciComp_STFC/status/540094602230136833
[21:25] <foobarry> these red hats
[21:26] <diddledan> foobarry, I want one!
[21:26] <daftykins> wow, that carpet
[21:26] <diddledan> eek, that carpet
[21:26] <daftykins> do i see black hats beneath too?
[21:27] <foobarry> wow i never noticed the carpet
[21:27] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/SciComp_STFC/status/539394541338755072
[21:27] <foobarry> better pic
[21:27] <foobarry> this was at conventry city ground
[21:28] <foobarry> ah no daftykins they were thsirts
[21:29] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:17] <Safiyyah> Daftykins am here....  Are you?
[22:17] <daftykins> o/
[22:17] <daftykins> slightly merry though :>
[22:17] <daftykins> so few days for the return huh?
[22:17] <Safiyyah> Lol more like three weeks
[22:18] <daftykins> D:
[22:18] <Safiyyah> I  can't afford not to have a PC for that long
[22:18] <Safiyyah> So we will have to do what you suggested
[22:19] <Safiyyah> I  work from home,  and I just finished work 15 minutes ago.  No PC = no money coming in.
[22:20] <Safiyyah> I  thought it was just gonna be a week at the most.  So I  could use my phone for Skype etc and give excuses.  But that is just too long
[22:20] <Safiyyah> So do I  need to load a lives session now?
[22:20] <diddledan> why would you be without a pc?
[22:20] <diddledan> it's only one of two hdds
[22:21] <Safiyyah> Lol remember yesterday I had wanted to leave it as it.  Not to mess up the setup?
[22:22] <Safiyyah> Well I  thought I  would have been better off with the Samsung EVO but turn out not from the earlier conversation.  So looks like it's just your luck with these things
[22:22] <Safiyyah> Okay it's loading...  Give it a minute
[22:24] <daftykins> diddledan: need to create a /home on the SSD for /
[22:25] <daftykins> and adjust mounts
[22:26] <Safiyyah> Daftykins...  I  need to ascertain that when the replacement drive gets here,  I will just plug it in and come back to reset the /home to the new drive again?
[22:27] <Safiyyah> I  am online via Web as Safiyyah2
[22:27] <Safiyyah> Ready!
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> :
[22:28] <daftykins> guess i best stop playing games then!
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> lol
[22:28] <daftykins> so 12.04 booted is it?
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> yep
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> am on it
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> on the web, terminal fired up
[22:29] <Safiyyah2> I don't know if it is relevant, but my OS is Xubuntu
[22:29] <daftykins> eww never seen milk form a skin atop tea before o0
[22:29] <Safiyyah2> lol daftykins.... thats what it's supposed to do. Maybe you drink your tea with lots of water
[22:29] <daftykins> last time i think we were getting errors from "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> and this time you put more milk
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> it is normal
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> shall I re-run that command?
[22:30] <daftykins> it was all wrinkled!
[22:30] <daftykins> yep
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, its meant to wrinkle
[22:31] <daftykins> with any luck it'll play ball today
[22:31] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9358354/
[22:31] <Safiyyah2> Same as last night!!!
[22:32] <daftykins> oh my word
[22:32] <daftykins> oh yeah did you run memtest overnight?
[22:32] <Safiyyah2> yes, no errors were found
[22:32] <Safiyyah2> it passed
[22:33] <daftykins> well that's something at least
[22:33] <Safiyyah2> It looks like I will be having to do a clean install, like it or not :(
[22:33] <Safiyyah2> and I had everything just right :(
[22:34] <daftykins> does seem pretty odd that both of these drives are unhappy
[22:34] <Safiyyah2> you know one suggestion for the software centre is that when you log in, it gives a list for the applications you have downloaded in the past
[22:34] <diddledan> they're both dead?!
[22:35] <Safiyyah2> well, this one isn't under Warranty.... it's passed warranty!
[22:35] <Safiyyah2> lol
[22:35] <daftykins> can do you a "sudo parted -l" and confirm sda1 is ext4?
[22:36] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9358446/
[22:36] <Safiyyah2> yes it is ext 4
[22:37] <daftykins> so the thing is now, we could mess around for an hour or two and maybe still not be the wiser... or you could just clean install atop it
[22:37] <daftykins> tough call really
[22:38] <diddledan> have you got another pc you can try the discs in to determine whether the fault is on the ata controller or endemic to the discs themselves?
[22:38] <daftykins> nope.
[22:38] <diddledan> dang
[22:38] <diddledan> this is why pc-kleptomania serves me well
[22:38] <Safiyyah2> nope
[22:39] <Safiyyah2> what is the ata controller?
[22:39] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smartmontools"
[22:39] <daftykins> the thing that provides the SATA ports on the motherboard
[22:39] <daftykins> "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda"
[22:39] <ahayzen> Hey, folks i'm on utopic and i've been having unity freezing for at least 30s randomly (twice today) and a few other times this week... i just checked dmesg and this is the output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9358472/ .. does this look bad?
[22:39] <diddledan> daftykins, that's smart :-p
[22:40] <daftykins> diddledan: hmm? do shout if you think any of my ideas are silly
[22:40] <daftykins> i'm a tad tipsy
[22:40] <diddledan> daftykins, no, I mean checking smartmontools is a smart idea
[22:40] <diddledan> smart.
[22:40] <diddledan> </attempted humour>
[22:41] <Safiyyah2> diddledan So now the issue is whether it's the board/harddrive?
[22:41] <daftykins> diddledan: ok i did think so, just checking ;)
[22:41] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: yeah that's diddledan's thinking.
[22:41] <Safiyyah2> smart tools installed
[22:41] <Safiyyah2> remember yesterday it refused
[22:41] <daftykins> yeah that was with the definitely wonky disk connected though
[22:42] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: maybe after those last two commands it wouldn't hurt to remove the funky power connector you mentioned and just use the SATA power connectors from the PSU direct
[22:42] <Safiyyah2> hard disk drive prices down by 40% since September (already!!) is this how it goes?
[22:42] <daftykins> at least i think that's what you mentioned
[22:42] <diddledan> ahayzen, I'd ubuntu-bug it
[22:42] <ahayzen> diddledan, ubuntu bug which component? and there is no crash log
[22:42] <Safiyyah2> daftykins this HDD has regular connectors.
[22:42] <ahayzen> *crash file
[22:43] <Safiyyah2> the funky one was with the new drive
[22:43] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: just to be clear, don't call an SSD an HDD :) it confuses my poor little brain
[22:43] <Safiyyah2> sorry
[22:43] <daftykins> :D
[22:43] <Safiyyah2> this SSD, has normal connectors. one SATA and one power
[22:43] <daftykins> ahayzen: i spy a Nexus 4 owner, have you put Lollipop on yet? ;) i'm ignoring it for now
[22:44] <ahayzen> daftykins, ...  Ubuntu Touch  sorry
[22:44] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:44] <daftykins> you're brave.
[22:44] <ahayzen> its my daily phone :)
[22:44] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: ah ok, i thought you said something about a Y cable of some sort
[22:44] <ahayzen> and i'm on the proposed channel thats living life on the edge lol
[22:45] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, yes for the SSD that is dead.
[22:45] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: did smartctl run?
[22:45] <daftykins> "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda"
[22:45] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, I installed the software
[22:46] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9358541/
[22:46] <Safiyyah2> :( bad news
[22:47] <diddledan> I smell a wonky ata chip
[22:47] <daftykins> what on earth
[22:47] <daftykins> that's not good, Safiyyah2 only changed motherboard a bit ago
[22:47] <diddledan> wonky cable?
[22:47] <daftykins> well i did enquire as to a reseat yesterday
[22:48] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: haven't got any other SATA cables lying around have you?
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> i have spare SATA cable
[22:48] <diddledan> try it
[22:48] <diddledan> also try different ports on the mobo
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> okay
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> gonna power down
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> am on the phone still
[22:48]  * diddledan gives daftykins a mobo award
[22:49] <daftykins> diddledan: will i earn the full set before christmas :(
[22:49] <daftykins> guess peeps can't come online to have me tell them their PSU is dead ;)
[22:52] <ahayzen> diddledan, ok so it actually looks a bit like this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64431
[22:52] <diddledan> ahayzen, try filing the issue against "linux"
[22:53] <diddledan> that does sound related, yes
[22:53] <ahayzen> diddledan, thanks i'll report a bug anyway :)
[22:54] <daftykins> mindblowing when even intel drivers aren't stable, to me
[22:54] <daftykins> ahayzen: is that system76 on the latest BIOS and what not?
[22:54] <ahayzen> daftykins, erm i haven't flashed the BIOS so its what it came with
[22:54] <daftykins> have a glance at whether their support page offers any updates, can't hurt to see
[22:55] <daftykins> i doubt they normally touch intel graphics issues but eh, costs nothing :)
[22:55] <ahayzen> daftykins, i never had trusty freeze its only recently on utopic it seems to be freezing ... and i have their drivers package installed
[22:55] <diddledan> I've seen intel employees on the lkml suggesting that something be hacked around in the kernel source because they can't work out how the gfx is supposed to behave
[22:55] <daftykins> haha
[22:55] <daftykins> that's nasty
[22:56]  * ahayzen wonders if icedtea-7-plugin or running Firefox nightly is related
[22:56] <daftykins> hehe
[22:56] <diddledan> I mean, intel employees, working on intel-released code for running intel designed chips. and they can't make it work.
[22:56] <daftykins> all i've seen with utopic is constant upgrade woes :)
[22:57] <Safiyyah> Moved the cables round and now it won't boot from cd....  It's boots straight onto OS,  which says there is no /home.....  As expected
[22:57] <Safiyyah> Just gonna check I didn't knock any cables out
[22:57] <diddledan> surely if it works in windows drivers by intel then there must be a way of getting it to work in linux drivers by intel
[22:57] <daftykins> unless something in the kernel is *gasp* amiss
[22:58] <diddledan> in which case fix that rather than disabling the function in the driver which clashes
[22:59] <Safiyyah> My computer is making some serious noises.....   Dammit!
[22:59] <diddledan> cable mashing against a fan?
[23:00] <Safiyyah> Nope
[23:01] <Safiyyah> But the actual DVD drive sounds like a tractor
[23:01] <Safiyyah> Am going to restart
[23:01] <ahayzen> daftykins, diddledan, thanks for your help, i've reported a bug, removed icedtea and i'm going to not run the nightly for a bit to see if that stops the freezes
[23:01] <Safiyyah> I  just bought that DVD drive
[23:01] <daftykins> np!
[23:02] <diddledan> yeah that can't be broken as well as two SSDs
[23:02] <diddledan> something else is at play here than the discs dying
[23:02] <Safiyyah> Okay it's stopped the noise
[23:02] <daftykins> \o/
[23:03] <Safiyyah> And the disk is loading
[23:03] <diddledan> mm cookies
[23:03] <diddledan> mm'fashnik
[23:03] <Safiyyah> Oh I want junk food diddledan
[23:03] <Safiyyah> All this stress = time to eat
[23:03] <diddledan> not muh'fashnik like muh cookies, but mm'fashnik like mm cookies.
[23:04] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXNxFAUAaE
[23:04] <diddledan> \o/ buffy
[23:08] <Safiyyah> Is it possible for the live disk to hang?
[23:08] <daftykins> yip
[23:09] <daftykins> booting from optical media is so 2004 :(
[23:11] <Safiyyah> We can remedy that.  I  have Kubuntu 14.04 on my external drive and an available USB stick.  When it loads up again we can make a startup disk
[23:12] <Safiyyah> We can char 1 sum it
[23:12] <Safiyyah> Hello!  It's has refused to boot up completely
[23:13] <daftykins> how rude
[23:13] <daftykins> err, must we mix ubuntu variants? XD
[23:13] <daftykins> might as well mooch xubuntu proper ;)
[23:14] <Safiyyah> Lol its agreed on the fourth attempt let's hope it doesn't hang
[23:14] <Safiyyah> I  will run the tests again but make the bootable USB as well
[23:15] <Safiyyah> I  will need help because  it is on an external drive....   I  can never work out the path/ directory for USB drives
[23:15] <Safiyyah> On the command line
[23:17] <daftykins> should be pretty graphical these days on plugging it in,i'd have thought
[23:20] <Safiyyah> It's hang again
[23:21] <Safiyyah> Okay I have pangolin and hardy
[23:21] <Safiyyah> Don't know what else to di
[23:23] <Safiyyah> Okay I  have disks of Oneiric,  natty,  lucid
[23:23] <Safiyyah> Which knew do you want?
[23:23] <Safiyyah> And still have fedora
[23:23] <daftykins> so what's the disk config right now? new cable on the SSD?
[23:24] <Safiyyah> Yep and moved it to SATA port 4
[23:24] <daftykins> how many are on the board total, 6?
[23:24] <Safiyyah> It says i/o error Dev sr0 sector 1287208
[23:24] <Safiyyah> I have four
[23:25] <daftykins> do you have a Linux on a flash drive at all at the moment?
[23:26] <Safiyyah> Nope
[23:26] <daftykins> so i suppose i'd be tempted to pull the SSD entirely, boot the 12.04 CD then download a 14.04.1 image to your external hard disk
[23:26] <Safiyyah> Okay
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Already have 1404 on my external hard disk
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Just need to get to it
[23:27] <daftykins> but kubuntu?
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Yes
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Kubuntu
[23:27] <daftykins> hmm, well booting 12.04 seems challenging enough atm
[23:28] <daftykins> so that's step 1 regardless
[23:30] <Safiyyah> Am trying one last time
[23:37] <daftykins> Daft Punk - One More Time <o/ \o>
[23:38] <Safiyyah> Am inclined to think there is an issue with the board
[23:38] <Safiyyah> No luck
[23:38] <Safiyyah> Loading Oneiric
[23:38] <daftykins> no point trying different versions imo
[23:40] <Safiyyah> I can't just leave it now
[23:40] <Safiyyah> I have to try another disk
[23:41] <Safiyyah> Then and only then will I believe what is happening is happening
[23:41] <Safiyyah> Sorry
[23:41] <daftykins> i wonder what tipped it off its' rocker this time
[23:41] <Safiyyah> Lol its got a mind of its own
[23:42] <daftykins> oh they all do for certain
[23:42] <daftykins> isn't it still an old LGA775 setup you're running there? the older intel socket
[23:42] <Safiyyah> The last system crash I had about 2  and a half year ago was crazy like this as well
[23:42] <daftykins> :(
[23:42] <Safiyyah> No idea but it's a dial core 2
[23:43] <Safiyyah> Dual*
[23:43] <Safiyyah> Its has four pins with screws on top
[23:43] <daftykins> intel core 2 duo, yeah sounds like LGA775 then
[23:43] <daftykins> for the heatsink, yeah pretty standard across many generations
[23:43] <Safiyyah> Yeah
[23:44] <Safiyyah> Daftykins if this doesn't work,  as think I have to go to a friends house tomorrow and make a startup  USB,  I  have no further solutions
[23:45] <Safiyyah> Okay so it logged in and then gave me a black screen.
[23:45] <daftykins> had you posted off the other SSD yet?
[23:46] <Safiyyah> NO
[23:46] <daftykins> i'd probably get them tested elsewhere, in a shop if need be
[23:46] <Safiyyah> Something is happening....  Purple screen is up...  Hopefully the menu shows
[23:47] <Safiyyah> Both of them?
[23:47] <Safiyyah> Which shoo does that....  PC world.
[23:47] <diddledan> wow, wikipedia went for "in your face" donation requests!
[23:48] <daftykins> Safiyyah: yeah, just work your charm on any staff :P
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Lol
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Hardly would work
[23:48] <daftykins> though they may need to be warned not to look for NTFS as if it were Windows
[23:48] <diddledan> daftykins, that's n0rty!
[23:48] <daftykins> diddledan: oh dear that time again? :(
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Lol
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Erm.  I  think the board is dead
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Personally
[23:49] <Safiyyah> How about powering down and putting everything back in its original socket?
[23:49] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt, yeah
[23:49] <Safiyyah> Okay
[23:50] <daftykins> definitely seen enough errors so far to see the kernel crying away trying to use most things
[23:50] <daftykins> Safiyyah: in fact i have a slight plan O_.
[23:50] <daftykins> i figure the install on that SSD is going to freeze up still, but it might be worth trying
[23:56] <Safiyyah> I have given up Daftykins
[23:57] <Safiyyah> I  think now it's a case of get the USB done......  Test the hard disk.  Prepare to buy a new board and possibly HDD
[23:57] <Safiyyah> Okay we are up and running
[23:58] <Safiyyah> So moving the main drive to SATA 4 is what caused the problem
[23:58] <daftykins> bit weird
[23:59] <Safiyyah> Okay got my external drive and USB stick plugged in
[23:59] <daftykins> what's booted?


[06:56] <happyaron> ypwong: I think we still need to ping SRU team to get ubuntukylin-theme in trusty-proposed get approved to -updates
[06:56] <happyaron> JackYu: ^^
[06:57] <happyaron> for bug 1329262
[10:58] <kromagg> Hi, I'm looking for the correct address for the ubuntu kylin software archives
[10:59] <kromagg> I had http://archive.ubuntukylin.com:10006/ubuntukylin but that one doesn't seem to work anymore
[10:59] <kromagg> or it's just not reachable
[12:14] <happyaron> kromagg: it's working fine for me at the moment
[12:15] <happyaron> kromagg: but it could be unreachable at the time you tried
[14:06] <chonghua> 有人么
[14:30] <kromagg> happyaron: okay thanks I'll try again later
[14:30] <kromagg> ah yes it's working now