[01:48] <techconnected> hey i downloaded and install lxde in ubuntu 12  and rebooted but still have unity
[01:51] <Unit193> >_<
[07:16] <melodie_> hi !
[07:17] <melodie_> any chance someone is available to discuss stuff related to Lubuntu ?
[09:09] <fluffyguy> Morning all.
[09:09] <fluffyguy> anyone knows why lxpanel and openbox keeps "restarting" (Its like im on windows and explorer keeps dying on me) ?
[09:10] <fluffyguy> Its not really effecting systems performance but still Im curious why.
[09:13] <melodie_> fluffyguy, ?
[09:13] <fluffyguy> Yes?
[09:13] <melodie_> can you paste the content of .xsession-errors to pastebin and bring the link here ?
[09:14] <fluffyguy> ill do my best to find it first
[09:14] <melodie_> it's in /home/fluffyguy/.xsession-errors
[09:14] <fluffyguy> melodie_ thx
[09:14] <melodie_> just open a lxterminal and display it's content with the command:
[09:14] <melodie_> cat .xsession-errors
[09:15] <melodie_> then paste the whole content of the console to pastebin
[09:15] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/ij2Zqg2G
[09:17] <melodie_> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_r300.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:17] <melodie_> you have a nvidia card and nvidia driver ?
[09:17] <fluffyguy> No, I have old Ati 1050 AGP ( RV350 chip)
[09:17] <melodie_> I look
[09:18] <melodie_> and you look which driver is in use: with "sudo lshw | grep driver"
[09:19] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/HvskGUnW
[09:20] <melodie_> ok you have radeon
[09:20] <melodie_> have you installed mesa ?
[09:20] <fluffyguy> I think not
[09:20] <fluffyguy> only if it was in update manager
[09:21] <melodie_> I found a related topic
[09:21] <melodie_> I show you
[09:21] <fluffyguy> Sure ,thank you
[09:21] <melodie_> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg01160.html
[09:21] <melodie_> then:
[09:21] <melodie_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719
[09:22] <melodie_> then:
[09:22] <melodie_> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/+packages
[09:22] <melodie_> I should probably help you check if this is relevant for your precise ati card model, but one in one you can start with installing mesa
[09:22] <fluffyguy> One question ...is there a chance to mess up my video drivers? I have a really really bad experience with this card and Linux
[09:22] <melodie_> then maybe this libg3dvl-mesa package
[09:23] <melodie_> mesa should not hurt it, but the other one I take a close look to try to figure out if it is relevant
[09:23] <melodie_> (ATI is the ennemy of ou Freedom, sayd RMS)
[09:24] <fluffyguy> Yea , I had NVidia for a while but that beast ate my weak PSU :)
[09:24] <melodie_> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/dont-buy-from-ati
[09:24] <fluffyguy> haha
[09:24] <melodie_> if you have a weak psu, you might want to try very old nvidia cards
[09:25] <melodie_> the ones that use best "nv" as a driver. :)
[09:25] <fluffyguy> Naah paycheck is in 2 weeks
[09:25] <melodie_> lol
[09:25] <fluffyguy> its time to finally switch to PCIE
[09:25] <melodie_> install mesa
[09:25] <fluffyguy> kk
[09:25] <melodie_> then wait a sec, I check the other one if I can find
[09:27] <fluffyguy> melodie_ http://tinypic.com/r/i60emw/6
[09:27] <melodie_> fluffyguy, you might want to look and bookmark this one:
[09:27] <fluffyguy> This is what I already have installed
[09:27] <melodie_> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware
[09:29] <melodie_> forget the quick filter, hit the search button and get just "mesa" and select name instead of name and description
[09:29] <fluffyguy> These cards are supported with the legacy ATI 9-3 Catalyst release, but you MUST use a kernel <= 2.6.28 and Xserver <= 1.5.
[09:29] <fluffyguy> O.o
[09:31] <qstpp> how to disable non-critical desktop notifications in 12.04?
[09:32] <fluffyguy> melodie_ I have searched by name and list is still pretty long.  whats the actual package name
[09:32] <melodie_> I check
[09:32] <melodie_> you run precise, right ?
[09:32] <fluffyguy> 12.04 yes
[09:34] <melodie_> install all mesa packages you don't have except the ones related to dev (no -dev or -devel packages needed)
[09:34] <fluffyguy> ok
[09:35] <melodie_> 32 bits ?
[09:35] <melodie_> I look here now:
[09:35] <melodie_> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.12&lang=English
[09:36] <melodie_> not that I think you should install that one, but in case there would be a more relevant driver in the repos for your card
[09:37] <fluffyguy> Well I clicked on bunch of mesa things...  lets test it
[09:38] <fluffyguy> melodie_ lists looks like this
[09:38] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/7yFQB4G7
[09:39] <fluffyguy> and yea 9.3 official driver never works for me ,probably due to higher kernel
[09:39] <melodie_> did this one: libwayland0 (version 0.85.0-1ubuntu2) will be installed come with the rest ?
[09:39] <melodie_> official drivers at ati seldom work it seems
[09:39] <melodie_> did this one: "libwayland0 (version 0.85.0-1ubuntu2) will be installed" come with the rest ?
[09:40] <fluffyguy> Im not sure
[09:40] <fluffyguy> I just clicked on everytthing with mesa
[09:40] <fluffyguy> just not dbg and dev
[09:40] <melodie_> try to untick it, to see what would happen
[09:41] <fluffyguy> ok
[09:41] <melodie_> and don't install this one "libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental (version 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1) will be installed"
[09:41] <melodie_> keep it in mind just but don't install it right away
[09:42] <fluffyguy> I unticked experimantal one
[09:42] <melodie_> for this one : "libgbm1 (version 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1) will be installed" do the same check as for libwayland, see if it removes one from that list, if it does remove one, then keep it
[09:42] <fluffyguy> but libwayland0 (version 0.85.0-1ubuntu2)  ..I cant find that one ...
[09:42] <melodie_> it's in your pastebin
[09:43] <melodie_> so you should try to find it with the search button : just type in "libwayland"
[09:44] <fluffyguy> it affects one package
[09:44] <fluffyguy> libopenvg-1-mesa
[09:44] <fluffyguy> libopenvg1-mesa*
[09:45] <melodie_> ok
[09:45] <melodie_> wait a sec
[09:45] <fluffyguy> waiting
[09:45] <melodie_> do you have this one package installed ? libvdpau1
[09:46] <fluffyguy> yes
[09:47] <melodie_> ok
[09:47] <melodie_> here is what OpenVG is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVG
[09:47] <melodie_> you can keep the related packages and install this mesa packages list now
[09:47] <melodie_> then reboot and check again the .xession-errors messages
[09:47] <fluffyguy> will do
[09:48] <melodie_> the other lib said in the debian thread does not show on the ppa lauchpad page, so I can't say more about it now, I look at the rest of the discussion here:
[09:48] <melodie_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719
[09:49] <fluffyguy> ubottu
[09:49] <fluffyguy> There is no package named "libg3dvl-mesa" in synaptic
[09:50] <fluffyguy> melodie_ Im trying to install all this atm. So we will see if it works..if not ohh well it happens
[09:50] <melodie_> fluffyguy,
[09:51] <melodie_> the thread is very recent, you might want to keep it at hand to follow the thread
[09:51] <melodie_> they might come to solutions which would later be included in Ubuntu
[09:51] <fluffyguy> Sure ,share it and ill bookmark it
[09:52] <melodie_> fluffyguy,
[09:52] <melodie_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719#55
[09:52] <melodie_> this post:
[09:53] <melodie_> you see on the launchpad the lib with complicated name is not there anymore, but it appears as a + in the patch shown on that one post:
[09:53] <melodie_> "+Package: libg3dvl-mesa"
[09:54] <melodie_> and since the beginning of the thread this is the one which contains the lib which the .xsession-errors says is missing
[09:55] <fluffyguy> Well Im rebooting
[09:56] <fluffyguy> See ya in 2-3 mins
[09:56] <melodie_> ok
[10:02] <fluffyguy> melodie_ http://pastebin.com/s4Ckpq4s
[10:02] <fluffyguy> No errors so far
[10:02] <fluffyguy> that include openbox and lxpanel
[13:10] <melodie_> he fluffyguy !
[13:10] <melodie_> your problem is solved ?
[13:12] <fluffyguy> Hi melodie_
[13:12] <fluffyguy> Well honestly I dont know
[13:13] <fluffyguy> Didnt had any issues with lxpanel or openbox crashing
[13:13] <fluffyguy> So far.
[13:13] <melodie_> and what does the .xsession-errors provide now ?
[13:13] <fluffyguy> sec
[13:14] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/pqJcxjA2
[13:15] <melodie_> fluffyguy, the message related to libvdpau-xx-300.so disappeared
[13:15] <melodie_> it means that the mesa packages were needed by your gpu : in one word you can consider it solved.
[13:16] <melodie_> does someone know why all versions Ubuntu provide a message stating that the gnome-polkit-authentication service can't be used ?
[13:16] <fluffyguy> it seem so ,give me a sec ill try to induce same error. with using applications I normaly use
[13:16] <melodie_> you will test the use of apps:
[13:16] <melodie_> you are not trying to introduce error. this is different. :)
[13:17] <fluffyguy> Im testing to see if I can crash openbox and lxpanel with normal usage
[13:17] <fluffyguy> better? :D
[13:20] <fluffyguy> Well torrent client,True Crypt,Empathy ,Chrome,Audacious,SMPlayer and ofc Xchat work without any crash
[13:21] <melodie_> I tell you
[13:22] <fluffyguy> btw It seems I cant get correct CPU temp sensor readings
[13:22] <fluffyguy> sensors command output looks liek this
[13:22] <fluffyguy> acpitz-virtual-0
[13:22] <fluffyguy> Adapter: Virtual device
[13:22] <fluffyguy> temp1:        +38.0°C  (crit = +75.0°C)
[13:24] <melodie_> great !
[13:25] <fluffyguy> That is real? Damn its 34 Celsius in my room. Cant believe CPU is so cool.
[13:25] <melodie_> sure, the relevant drivers can help
[13:26] <melodie_> fluffyguy, I believe you could be interested about the cpufreq tool if you cpu can use it
[13:27] <fluffyguy> Pentium 4 Northwood 2.66 GHz HT (Ancient PC)
[13:28] <melodie_> you have to try
[13:28] <melodie_> install cpufreq-utils
[13:28] <melodie_> and launch in console "cpufreq-info"
[13:28] <fluffyguy> kk
[13:30] <fluffyguy> nope
[13:30] <fluffyguy> no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
[13:30] <fluffyguy>   maximum transition latency: 0.00 ms.
[13:31] <melodie_> well, that happens
[13:32] <fluffyguy> Yes.
[13:34] <fluffyguy> Yea and last weird issue. Playing movies in SMPlayer are having odd audio issue. Explosions /shooting and effects in general are pretty loud  but voices are quite.
[13:35] <fluffyguy> quiet*
[13:36] <melodie_> fluffyguy, then try VLC instead
[13:36] <melodie_> possibly also try to deactivate pulseaudio and choose alsa instead
[13:37] <melodie_> and possibly the video is at stake
[13:37] <fluffyguy> Ill try VLC .I like SMPlayer bcs of "add black border" filter
[13:39] <melodie_> ok, back to Lubuntu matters
[13:39] <melodie_> I would like to know why the .xsession-errors give this "(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:1413): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
[13:39] <melodie_> in the messages provided by .xsession-errors
[13:39] <melodie_> anyone has an idea ?
[13:42] <fluffyguy> Try on #ubuntu .maybe someone there can help. :)
[13:42] <melodie_> fluffyguy, I'll see
[13:47] <fluffyguy> Well Im off for now... Thanks for your time melodie_  and good luck with your issue. Bye
[15:50] <muhammed> hi
[15:50] <muhammed> i install burg
[15:50] <muhammed> but i cant change default boot
[15:51] <muhammed> i use grub-customizer
[15:51] <hbk> .i am unable to install neither ubuntu nor lubuntu. Either the installation crashes or it says unable to find rev 265...... i have tried downloading different versions yet no success
[15:51] <muhammed> i choice win 8 for default boot
[15:51] <muhammed> i reboot
[15:51] <muhammed> but itts boot lubuntu
[15:52] <muhammed> ???
[16:47] <fluffyguy> Anyone here tried playing Wolfenstein ET on 120.04?
[16:47] <fluffyguy> 12.04*
[18:05] <pcman> hi all
[18:05] <Unit193> Howdy.
[18:07] <qstpp> how to disable non-critical desktop notifications in 12.04?
[18:11] <SomeDamnBody> when I try to do lubuntu-software-center I get ImportError: No module named defer
[18:12] <SomeDamnBody> can anybody help me? I found python-defer in apt-get and deferred in pip, but I don't know how to get either of them to work
[18:12] <SomeDamnBody> I installed both, it doesn't seem to work
[18:13] <Unit193> qstpp: Which ones?  Some are per program setting.
[18:13] <qstpp> Unit193: for instance Firefox download complete notifications
[18:14] <qstpp> Unit193: i've disabled network manager network up-down with gconfeditor
[18:14] <qstpp> Unit193: but it still notifies me only on boot if network is not connected
[18:14] <qstpp> Unit193: is there a way to tackle all notifications at once?
[18:15] <Unit193> about:config in firefox: browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete
[18:15] <Unit193> You can disable the daemon.
[18:15] <qstpp> Unit193: as for ff, that would disable notification inside it, but i would like to disable only desktop notification
[18:16] <qstpp> Unit193: can you tell me how to disable the daemon and which one?
[18:17] <Unit193> notification-daemon, and one way to do it is uninstall it. :P
[18:17] <qstpp> Unit193: well, if there isn't a way to disable all non-critical ones, then uninstallation will do
[18:17] <Unit193> (I don't have it, so I can't tell you how to disable it other than sudo update-rc.d -f notification-daemon  remove   maybe)
[18:19] <qstpp> Unit193: ok, thanks!
[18:20] <Unit193> Sure, but not 100% sure that's the right name.
[18:20] <qstpp> forgot to mention, i found another program installed called notify-send
[18:21] <Unit193> That's the client application.
[18:21] <qstpp> it has -u option to set urgency level
[18:22] <qstpp> i just don't know when is it started and how to start it with that flag
[18:24] <qstpp> can that urgency level somehow be set to notifications daemon?
[18:25] <SomeDamnBody> nevermind
[18:25] <SomeDamnBody> actually, there was a site-package not installed
[18:25] <SomeDamnBody> actualled called defer and not deferred
[18:26] <SomeDamnBody> pip install defer fixed it! thanks
[18:26] <Unit193> qstpp: Checking the I use...
[18:26] <Unit193> SomeDamnBody: Cool.
[18:39] <pcman> any developers here?
[18:39] <SomeDamnBody> pcman, you need some help?
[18:39] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: is anyone intersted in working on a power manager?
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> no
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> well... I'm not
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> there's like fifty of them already in existence
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> you should check out what already exists first and modify those before just making your own
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> it will probably save you a lot of work
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> pcman ^
[18:43] <Unit193> gilir, wxl, and a couple others can randomly be found in here or #lubuntu-offtopic
[18:43] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: true
[18:43] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: just want to have a desktop-independent one.
[18:44] <SomeDamnBody> desktop-independent? what do you mean by that?
[18:44] <SomeDamnBody> and why do you need this?
[18:44] <SomeDamnBody> what is the base motivation?
[18:46] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: for use with our lxde.
[18:46] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: or other pure wm environments.
[18:47] <SomeDamnBody> pcman, are you a developer yourself? can you give me some background so I understand more where you're coming from. And then the desired end result of the power manager that you're looking for?
[18:47] <Unit193> pcman is the dev for lxde, and pcmanfm.
[18:48] <SomeDamnBody> ah
[18:48] <SomeDamnBody> didn't know that
[18:48] <SomeDamnBody> yeah, I just like lxde for it's lightweightness, I've never had trouble with the power manager
[18:48] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: better if we can have  one.
[18:49] <SomeDamnBody> oh
[18:49] <SomeDamnBody> well, I guess I can't help you...
[18:50] <qstpp> pcman: since you're here, there's a minor bug involving lxde menu
[18:51] <pcman> qstpp: yeah?
[18:51] <pcman> our bug tracker is full of bugs. :-(
[18:51] <pcman> man power is wanted.
[18:51] <qstpp> when you add some program from it to desktop, menu doesn't close but you have to click it couple of times
[18:52] <pcman> qstpp: really? let me try it.
[18:52] <pcman> qstpp: oh, yes. I noticed that.
[18:53] <qstpp> pcman: nothing important, just letting you know
[18:53] <pcman> qstpp: file it in the bug tracker please.
[18:53] <qstpp> haven't used it before, you mean one on lxde.org?
[18:53] <pcman> qstpp: though bugs in the tracker are processed slowly, someday they will be solved.
[18:54] <pcman> qstpp: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=25&func=&group_id=180858&atid=894869&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&keyword=&submitter=&artifact_id=&assignee=&status=1&category=&artgroup=&submitter=&keyword=&artifact_id=&submit=Filter&mass_category=&mass_priority=&mass_resolution=&mass_assignee=&mass_artgroup=&mass_status=&mass_cannedresponse=&_visit_cookie=6eff56ea4d45185007b1fd8d3d8ac0ae
[18:54] <wxl> yikes
[18:54] <wxl> surprised you don't get kicked for flooding with a url like that pcman  :)
[18:54] <pcman> qstpp: due to shortage of man power, bugs are fixed slowly now, but sooner or later they'll be handled.
[18:55] <qstpp> wxl: kicking out pcman would kick out l from lubuntu
[18:56] <qstpp> pcman: no worries, nothing urgent. btw lxde does deliver what it promises. great work!
[18:57] <Unit193> pcman: IIRC, someone reported one a bit back about problems with shift+delete, but didn't describe well that it didn't work when you hit shift, then rightclicked > Delete.  I tried searching for the bugreport, but didn't find it, do you happen to know the one?
[18:58] <wxl> Unit193: you looked on launchpad? cuz i thought i saw it there.
[18:58] <pcman> Unit193: yes. File a new one if it's not there.
[18:58] <pcman> Unit193: but pcmanfm use another bug tracker.
[18:58] <pcman> Unit193: see http://sf.net/projects/pcmanfm/
[18:58] <Unit193> pcman: That's the one I checked, but didn't check LP.
[18:59] <wxl> for the typical user, they'd expect to file it on lp.
[19:00] <Unit193> Yep, but it's not configured, just checked.
[19:16] <PAPI> Hello
[19:17] <PAPI> Can anybody tell me if there is a site like gnome looks for lxde desktop?
[19:19] <wxl> box looks PAPI
[19:20] <PAPI> thankyou
[19:23] <kanliot> box looks is for openbox, not gnome widgets, right?
[19:24] <Unit193> You'd have to get a themem that supports GTK2 and 3.
[19:24] <wxl> kanliot: there's a bunch of stuff on there for different wms/des but i don't *THINK* there are gnome widgets
[19:24] <Unit193> -m
[19:27] <melodie_> good evening
[19:29] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall#Unmanaged_Wired_Network
[19:29] <kanliot> is that only for 10.04 or something?
[19:30] <kanliot> i'm not sure if it applies to newer versions of lubuntu
[19:30] <melodie_> I would like to know if there is a place for Lubuntu where it is possible to post 2 .xsession-errors, containing error messages and warnings
[19:30] <kanliot> melodie, you can pastebin here, or ask on the ubuntuforums.com
[19:31] <kanliot> or in #ubuntu channel
[19:31] <Unit193> If you want someone to look at the file, pastebin.com.
[19:31] <wxl> also if there's a problem, you could make a bug report
[19:32] <Unit193> (Forums or askubuntu, both handy if you don't like IRC)
[19:32] <GeDaMo> I'm looking for a POP3/IMAP mailbox checker; up until now I've used mail-notification but it has a metric crapload of dependencies on Lubuntu 12.04 (an extra 125MB of disk space used seems a little excessive)
[19:33] <Unit193> GeDaMo: Well, you could try installing from terminal with the --no-install-recommends  option.
[19:33] <wxl> kanliot: honestly i have never encountered that problem at all before.
[19:33] <GeDaMo> I give that a try
[19:33] <melodie_> hi kanliot
[19:33] <melodie_> kanliot, ok I paste : but be aware it is not to solve a problem, the machine is gone
[19:34] <melodie_> it's for information which should be used to improve the distribution
[19:34] <kanliot> pastebin.com please melodie_
[19:34] <melodie_> so is it relevant ?
[19:34] <melodie_> ok
[19:35] <melodie_> http://pastealacon.com/30429
[19:36] <kanliot> looks normal to me
[19:36] <kanliot> what am i missing?
[19:37] <melodie_> http://pastealacon.com/30430
[19:37] <melodie_> you are missing this:
[19:37] <wxl> kanliot: it looks like that bug re: the link you posted earlier was fixed upstream in debian so that the version of network-manager in 11.04 should have the fix. it's possible 10.04 does not have the problem and 10.10 probably does.
[19:37] <melodie_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/1000679
[19:37] <melodie_> among else
[19:38] <kanliot> to be honest, i know very little about policykit
[19:39] <kanliot> wxl thanks
[19:40] <wxl> kanliot: np ;)
[19:41] <GeDaMo> Unit193: thanks, that got it installed; is there a way of doing on install recommends in Synaptic?
[19:42] <Unit193> GeDaMo: No idea, I don't use it. :P
[19:42] <GeDaMo> :D
[19:42] <Unit193> You can set it globally though.
[19:42] <melodie_> kanliot, it should not show this message I think
[19:43] <kanliot> is the message only in the log, or does it pop up when any user logs in?
[19:43] <GeDaMo> Aha! There is an option in preferences "Consider recommended packages as dependencies"
[22:05] <toscho> hi
[22:06] <toscho> i'm trying to use lxkeymap to change caps_lock to compose, but it doesn't work


[13:24] <mpt> Launchpad meeting grounds | Next development meeting (all welcome): Thu 10 Jan 2008, 1400UTC | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[13:24] <mpt> Bah, can't set the topic because I'm not an op
[13:47] <jtv> mpt is a no-op
[13:48] <mpt> Suddenly my life assumes new meaning
[14:02]  * mwhudson looks around
[14:02]  * barry sees mhudson looking around
[14:03]  * schwuk sees barry see mwhudson looking around
[14:04] <statik> no meeting today
[14:04] <statik> not blocked
[14:04] <statik> there, I said it anyway
[14:04] <jtv> "me"
[14:04] <mthaddon> no meeting?
[14:04] <jtv> No meeting.
[14:05] <barry> attaboy sinzui


[00:07] <nicomachus> irssi doesn't like my SSL cert. :/
[00:11] <daftykins> o0
[00:12] <nicomachus> idk, failed handshake with Rizon. I'm asking the irssi folks but the channel seems a bit dead.
[00:14] <daftykins> mmm don't use SSL on there
[00:14] <daftykins> as in, i don't
[00:15] <nicomachus> SASL goes over plaintext, so I kinda wanna make sure SSL is working. :)
[00:15] <nicomachus> I'll wait on the irssi folk.
[00:15] <daftykins> yeah, really annoyed me when they disabled all other formats on freenode for SASL auth
[00:16] <daftykins> i used to use blowfish with kornbluth, but they claimed it's so bad as to not be worth it anymore
[00:16] <daftykins> i also got told there's a way to make irssi abort running your autojoins if your SASL auth fails
[00:18] <nicomachus> supposedly you can just have irssi auto-run commands, and make one of those commands /msg NickServ blah blah blah, but there's no sense in doing that with SASL available.
[00:19] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:19] <daftykins> the way i do it is my only freenode profile is an SSL connection one, so if it doesn't connect it doesn't get as far as trying to SASL auth
[00:20] <nicomachus> gotcha. I don't have any trouble with SSL or SASL on freenode... just rizon for some reason.
[00:21] <daftykins> i didn't even know it was available 8D i think i just use the autosend over there, mmm
[00:41] <daftykins> g'night team o/
[00:42] <nicomachus> night
[00:43] <Bashing-om> nighty nite ^
[00:49] <TJ-> I think the logo for https://squoo.sh/ is ok now, as is the X509 TLS cert.
[00:54] <nicomachus> TJ-: was this your setup a few years ago? https://40.media.tumblr.com/c4d4b7e832c3d1811e64b1555cedfff9/tumblr_ny51fz6h501scdmnro1_1280.jpg
[00:56] <TJ-> pfft! I use structured cabling and trunking for everything!
[00:56] <nicomachus> that setup is so.. pointless. They basically just disassembled their PC and spread it across the room.
[00:57] <TJ-> that looks to be about 1999
[00:58] <TJ-> although I do see some SATA cables, so maybe not
[00:58] <nicomachus> probably just some guy trying to be "cyberpunk"
[00:58] <TJ-> I like how there's a Timberland box for 'rebooting' :D
[00:58] <nicomachus> LOL
[00:59] <TJ-> haha! just caught myself looking at the study ceiling and wondering if I could suspend things :P
[01:00] <Bashing-om> https://squoo.sh/ :) ... Getting ready for business .
[01:00] <TJ-> Bashing-om: yeah; a bit basic for now but I'm getting all the services configured correctly
[01:02] <nicomachus> TJ-: suspend things, you say? https://imgur.com/a/DyQZL
[01:02] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Going to be a real treat . Yall, I hope. garner more than just the cookies !
[01:04] <DosTuMai> Nicomachus: I want that...
[01:04] <nicomachus> lol, build it!
[01:05] <TJ-> I was going to suspend a 42" monitor rather like that, but found the neck-ache isn't worth it.
[01:06] <DosTuMai> For gaming purposes, a panel like that would both be aesthetic AF and really useful.
[01:07] <nicomachus> I can imagine for something like EVE it would be amazing
[01:08] <DosTuMai> YES!
[01:09] <DosTuMai> Especially as my main is a Carrier pilot. A few Drone control buttons would be so useful.
[01:19] <TJ-> comments on the revised design at https://squoo.sh ?
[01:21] <nicomachus> oh wow, lots of progress since I looked at it a couple hours ago.
[01:21] <nicomachus> Looks good.
[01:22] <TJ-> I'll go with that theme for now, it's simple CSS. I'll start on the live pastebin tomorrow
[01:22] <nicomachus> SpaceX launch in 6 minutes.
[01:23] <nicomachus> if y'all are into that.
[01:23] <nicomachus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4
[01:23] <TJ-> Did they get FAA permission for landing on land?
[01:23] <nicomachus> not sure... I haven't been following it as much lately.
[01:25] <TJ-> yes!! bring the booster all the way back to Cape Canaveral to Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1).
[01:27] <TJ-> great, browser doesn't support video!  :S
[01:45] <nicomachus> TJ-: uhhh... no. sorry. I'm not artistic. lol
[01:46] <DosTuMai> It went liek this: o~~~~>*whoosh*
[01:46] <TJ-> LOL
[01:46] <TJ-> as long as it didn't come down sqoo.shed
[01:47] <nicomachus> lol. there was a pretty large burst of fire at the end and my heart dropped, but I think that was just the burn going off to the side. :)
[01:47] <DosTuMai> Nope, looked like a safe touchdown.
[01:47] <TJ-> youtube.com is unreachable for me right now
[01:48] <nicomachus> only 36274 on the spacex live stream right now, surprisingly
[01:48] <DosTuMai> I'm 1 of those, and I know 20 others. =P
[01:49] <nicomachus> #ubuntu-offtopic all seem to be in there as well
[01:50] <nicomachus> all satellites deployed successfully too. successful day for Elon.
[02:14] <DosTuMai> TJ-: For when yo can youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4
[02:15] <TJ-> I suspect my ISP still has lingering IPv6 issues that started earlier today
[02:15] <nicomachus> this IPv6 switch is gonna be troublesome for some of those ISPs that have so much built in 4
[02:16] <TJ-> first time I've seen issues, but I'll be talking to them later today
[02:17] <nicomachus> I haven't had too many issues with Google yet, but I did have to route my phone traffic through a VPN to reach some sites for awhile.
[02:17] <nicomachus> if it was connected to the wifi at home, that is.
[02:19] <nicomachus> TJ-: non-youtube gif, unfortunately it's short and sped-up: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWyzGUKUkAAzwk0.mp4
[02:24] <TJ-> I'll watch it on the BBC :)
[02:37] <nicomachus> TJ-: do you use VBox inside Ubuntu ever?
[02:37] <nicomachus> or Bashing-om?
[02:39] <TJ-> No, I use kvm/qemu
[02:40] <TJ-> sounds like a Unity thing
[02:47] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Also, no .. no Vbox here either .
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:57] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[02:58]  * nicomachus made some great beef stew. :D
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> yummy
[03:00] <nicomachus> \o/ got a super cheap last minute train ticket to St. Louis on Christmas eve too. I'm getting all kinds of good deals today...
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: cool!
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: alot of ppl doing xmass by online orders aswell these days
[03:05] <nicomachus> ha, I did buy my girlfriend a Nexus 6 this morning on Amazon for $249, which was an amazing deal.
[03:10] <EriC^^> hey lotus
[03:10] <EriC^^> you were driving?
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: not its cold n rainy here
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> ill skip one :p
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: buy her a BQ 4.5 :p
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> 169 euro
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: or nexus 4 with touch
[03:12] <nicomachus> the Nexus 6 works with Google's Project Fi though
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> whats fi?
[03:12] <nicomachus> https://fi.google.com/about/faq/
[03:12] <nicomachus> basically Google's attempt to branch into being a mobile carrier
[03:13] <nicomachus> they're doing interesting stuff with wifi calling and stuff though, and the pricing is unbelievable compared to other american carriers
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> i see
[03:14] <nicomachus> she can get unlmited talk/text with 2 GBs of data for $40, which would be at least $80 on a carrier like Verizon. and they refund you if you don't use all your data!
[03:15] <nicomachus> and if you go over, it's only $1/100MB
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> talk over wifi and telegram for free
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> apping 24/7 is bad
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> its big business having us enslaved on to be connected 24/7
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> online
[03:17] <nicomachus> they does do calls over wifi if it's available. and it also has always-on-VPN and will allow you to jump from public wifi to public wifi while traveling across town, to reduce data usage
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[03:19] <TJ-> I've created the channel #squoo.sh so we can keep discussions on it separate from the Ubuntu stuff
[03:19] <DosTuMai> Right, past 3am... I'm off to sleep, night all. o/
[03:20] <nicomachus> night
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/4mrescuekit-15-0-has-antivirus-live-cd-bakandimgcd-4mparted-and-4mrecover-497946.shtml
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[03:21] <nicomachus> http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/21/10642028/spacex-falcon-9-landing-elon-musk-wont-fly?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
[03:27] <TJ-> nicomachus: i've added you to the @ops list for #squoo.sh channel if you want to contribute
[03:28] <nicomachus> thank you. I will contribute whatever I can... even if it's something small. :)
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: this will be huge :p
[03:29] <nicomachus> I agree.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: join over :p
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks, daftykins, EriC^^ join #squoo.sh please :p
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> !info inxi | TJ-
[05:51] <Bashing-om> Had all the fun I can stand for 1 session . Continue this tomorrow .
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> morning
[10:06] <lordievader> o/
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> hi lordievader
[10:06] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: What is that sqoo channel?
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: you have been invited an @ to squoo.sh
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> by TJ-
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: its a new project he created
[10:07] <lordievader> New project?
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> for diagnose and repair on linux
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:05] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/introducing-ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker-a-tool-to-port-ubuntu-linux-for-raspberry-pi-2-497956.shtml
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> !register | ioria
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: morning :p
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: set autojoin :p
[15:25] <TJ-> hehehe 'morning' :D
[16:31] <nicomachus> wget doesn't support regex does it
[16:47] <pauljw> mornin'... just barely
[16:54] <lordievader> nicomachus: Should it?
[16:54] <lordievader> It has the -m flag.
[16:54] <nicomachus> lordievader: well regex doesn't really work with HTTP... but -A works for my purposes.
[16:56] <TJ->  --accept-regex  ?
[16:58] <nicomachus> --accept-list worked for what I needed.
[19:05] <nicomachus> if I open nautilus from a terminal, WHY does it not open to my current directory?
[19:16] <TJ-> because, like many of those GUI programs, the developers have no concept of usability and standard design patterns that have been in existence for decades
[19:21]  * nicomachus grumbles and waits for this slow X session to respond
[19:52] <JanC> because you have to supply an URI or path :)
[19:53] <JanC> so "nautilus ." works fine
[20:35] <OerHeks> TJ-, still no access to youtube?
[20:35] <OerHeks> http://imgur.com/gallery/fHxRkmo
[20:36] <nicomachus> I could loop that for DAYS and it would still make me happy to see very time.
[20:36] <nicomachus> s/very/every
[20:38] <OerHeks> pretty nifty indeed
[20:42] <TJ-> I watched via BBC instead
[20:44] <TJ-> It's going to make landing on other planetary bodies much simplier now; won't need the complication of a detachable lander and orbiter; can just leave a small comms relay in-orbit and let the main craft land/take off.
[20:44] <TJ-> Thunderbirds are Go!
[20:45] <nicomachus> is it advantageous to do that, though, fuel-wise?
[20:45]  * nicomachus is not a rocket scientist
[20:45] <nicomachus> but I did watch a movie once
[20:47] <TJ-> Depends on the gravity, but if you can land the entire craft you can deliver a larger payload and return with a large payload too
[20:48] <TJ-> the engineering complications of a detachable/mating unit can be done away with, which makes the craft safer, easier to manufacturer, handle, and launch
[20:49] <TJ-> should translate into it being lighter, which means less fuel consumed
[20:55] <nicomachus> so ioria and cristian_c have been trying to figure out that issue for 2 days now...and it was all normal?
[22:03] <daftykins> o/
[22:05] <nicomachus> afternoon. did you see #squoo.sh yet?
[22:06] <daftykins> i have heard of it! currently nomming pizza though :>
[22:06] <daftykins> was working late :(
[22:06] <nicomachus> more windows work?
[22:07] <TJ-> mmmm pizza
[22:07] <daftykins> nah, back to client stuff today... delivered all the ripped opera music
[22:07] <nicomachus> client happy?
[22:07] <daftykins> iTunes for Windows doesn't even have a "rescan library folder" button =|
[22:08] <nicomachus> idk whether to blame Apple or Windows for that one...
[22:08] <daftykins> :D
[22:08] <daftykins> then had to get his fitbit watch health tracker thing syncing again
[22:09] <daftykins> then get Zone 2 playing on a Denon amp for his Christmas Eve party...
[22:10] <daftykins> and investigate his wifes old iPods not working with another Denon amp in their kitchen... both of which had flat batteries on starting
[22:10] <nicomachus> needy client.
[22:11] <daftykins> he keeps a laundry list :D
[22:11] <daftykins> i've never been able to sway him toward only telling me one issue at a time, either
[22:13] <daftykins> ah well, it'll pay for all those amazon orders ;)
[22:14] <nicomachus> did you at least get to see SpaceX do awesome things?
[22:14] <daftykins> hmm i saw a brief gif of the rocket landing on my news feeds this morning but i've not seen a decent video yet
[22:15] <nicomachus> hmm.. here's the FULL, but it's 45 mins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4
[22:16] <daftykins> that imgur one of yours from earlier, aaah so sci-fi
[22:16] <nicomachus> landing @ 32:30
[22:16] <daftykins> makes me feel like the future is here
[22:18] <daftykins> guy chmod-ing their disks with evil permissions, daym
[22:19] <nicomachus> devil disks
[22:20] <daftykins> and then he ran parted -l and he didst see /dev/sdx666 D:
[22:20] <daftykins> actually how many partitions can GPT have 8D
[22:21] <TJ-> 128 by default
[22:21] <TJ-> but you can make the GPT larger and have more
[22:24] <daftykins> ah har
[22:28] <daftykins> btw i find it hilarious that in the process of updating the 12.04 install on a spare PC that lives in the clients' kitchen, i came up against a tiny 100MB /boot
[22:28] <daftykins> i'm gonna have to hose that thing and put 16.04 on in the new year perhaps and re-do that disk :P
[22:29] <TJ-> is the system using LVM?
[22:40] <daftykins> nah, i always avoid it since i don't know how to use it :>
[22:40] <TJ-> it makes those situations really easy to overcome :)
[22:46] <daftykins> well, it's pretty ancient now anyway
[22:47] <daftykins> it's a kinda spares PC running a core 2 duo with 2GB RAM on a 30" Dell LCD
[22:48] <TJ-> sounds like my lappy :D
[22:48] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:49] <daftykins> when i fire up the other one he has up there on his UPS you can see it pulls over 250W to itself :S
[23:21] <daftykins> i have to chuckle at thee folks with their gaming laptops
[23:22] <daftykins> first thing they want to do is but ubuntu on, which wouldn't even run most games as well - defeats the purpose to me :)
[23:29] <daftykins> TJ-: sorry to distract you, what are the tell-tale signs of a PCI-Express attached SSD in a modern system? this user has one i think: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14151287/
[23:29] <daftykins> i only see the matshita optical and hitachi 1TB so i think the 128GB SSD in there is M.2 PCI-E
[23:29] <TJ-> I'm already looking ... :)
[23:30] <daftykins> yay :D
[23:30] <daftykins> it's a very new spec skylake on the latest BIOS so i think it will be
[23:30] <daftykins> Samsung PM951 NVMe MZVLV128, 128 GB
[23:31] <daftykins> yep it's using that one which is a known M.2 NVMe drive
[23:31] <daftykins> finally got a detailed spec website up
[23:31] <TJ-> get an "lspci -nnk"
[23:32] <daftykins> okie dokie
[23:33] <TJ-> there's 2 Nvidia devices on there; 0fbb and 1618
[23:33] <TJ-> 10ec:8168 is a realtek ethernet I think
[23:34] <TJ-> Everything else looks to be 8086 (Intel)
[23:45] <nicomachus> hmm.. there should be more output for this, no? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14152590/
[23:45] <nicomachus> sudo lshw -C memory doesn't show bank #s
[23:48] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah ! mine : http://paste.ubuntu.com/14152698/ .
[23:49] <nicomachus> that's what I thought.... odd stuff.
[23:50] <TJ-> nicomachus: "sudo dmidecode -t memory"
[23:50] <nicomachus> TJ-: that gave me a bit more info, yea. just wondering why lshw seems limited.
[23:50] <daftykins> that strikes me as a single DIMM if i were a betting man :D
[23:50] <nicomachus> it appears to be so, which is actually good news. :D
[23:51] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: You on that box ? Maybe enable post messaging - memory testing - in bios , see what bios relates ?
[23:52] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I got the info I needed from dmidecode, it just struck me as odd