[00:58] <catalase> can someone point me to a bash script that will ping a given ip address (eg. google.com for instance) and IF it is unreachable, run another script?
[00:59] <catalase> for instance: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/190513/shell-scripting-proper-way-to-check-for-internet-connectivity
[01:00] <sarnold> ping -w1 -c1 www.google.com 2>&1 > /dev/null && echo hi
[01:01] <catalase> what if it is unreachable though
[01:02] <catalase> i only want it to echo hi if destination unreachable
[01:02] <sarnold> if you care about the specific reason why the ping failed then you may have to write your own tool
[01:03] <sarnold> if you just care that it did fail, then replace the && with ||
[01:04] <catalase> ping -w1 -c1 www.google.com 2>&1 > /dev/null ||sudp sudo ./home/catalase/mysupercoolscripts/testscript.sh
[01:04] <catalase> could i do something like that
[01:04] <catalase> ping -w1 -c1 www.google.com 2>&1 > /dev/null || sudo ./home/catalase/mysupercoolscripts/testscript.sh
[01:04] <catalase> rather
[01:05] <sarnold> programmatic use of 'sudo' is often a sign of trouble..
[01:06] <catalase> what should i use instead
[01:07] <sarnold> what starts this process?
[01:08] <catalase> i do
[01:13] <sarnold> aha, then I'd suggest running the script with sudo manually
[01:13] <catalase> lol
[04:05] <SmokinGrunts> what'd be the best thing to attempt to have a server securely send me near realtime updates of any changes to /var/log/auth.log?
[04:11] <pwnguin> like, rsyslog?
[04:21] <drab> SmokinGrunts: rsyslog + tls
[04:22] <SmokinGrunts> aye something happened to my fail2ban on one of the work servers... I'm being bruteforced atm, brb
[04:23] <pwnguin> turn off pw auth, problem solved
[04:23] <SmokinGrunts> I am still very much learning
[04:23]  * drab never understood the point of fail2ban
[04:25] <drab> anyway, bbl
[04:38] <SmokinGrunts> bah
[04:39] <ReedK2> when you get an app that doesn't come from the package manager, how do you know where to install it?
[04:40] <SmokinGrunts> okay, if fail2ban is up, and the server has been restarted, and I'm still getting log-updates from a 'tail'ed /var/log/auth.log of connection attempts, then what is going on??
[04:41] <SmokinGrunts> I can block the offender from the firewall, but I'd rather have them block automatically from the server itself
[04:42] <SmokinGrunts> blocked*
[04:48] <SmokinGrunts> oh, so fail2ban will ban me, when I test it
[04:48] <SmokinGrunts> :(
[04:52] <qman__> fail2ban will allow a certain number of attempts, which are logged, before blocking the address, and his happens per address attempting to connect, so if you're being attacked from many IPs, there will be many attempts in the log
[04:53] <qman__> it also clears out the list of banned IPs when fail2ban is restarted
[05:02] <SmokinGrunts> there be one ip, but it's not thru ssh I guess?
[05:12] <SmokinGrunts> oh lol I had added telnet earlier. removed, no more probs.
[05:12] <SmokinGrunts> xinetd and telnetd
[05:16] <SmokinGrunts> lol my noob is showing
[05:22] <SmokinGrunts> so TIL; don't have a telnet daemon available if you don't need it.
[05:29] <SmokinGrunts> 2scary4me
[05:46] <SmokinGrunts> damn. So TIL about the necessity of all things security for a public-facing server, no matter what it's for, or how big it is.
[05:47] <SmokinGrunts> I had a telnet daemon up for 3 days
[05:47] <SmokinGrunts> damn near a few dozen minutes after, I started getting root login attempts through it
[05:48] <SmokinGrunts> all for a server that's only hosted very basic nodejs development shit
[05:49] <SmokinGrunts> better late than never for learning
[06:33] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:36] <ReedK2> to install kde in ubuntu, do you install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:36] <ReedK2> according to help.ubuntu.com that is the case ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE )
[06:38] <cpaelzer> ReedK2: kubuntu-desktop ?
[06:38] <cpaelzer> yeah
[06:38] <cpaelzer> that is what I have
[06:38] <cpaelzer> although I installed from a kubuntu ISO back then, but I think that is the central package thatpulls everything else in
[06:39] <cpaelzer> ReedK2: one might argue on a desktop UI on server, but it worked for me on my NAS when I refurbished it to a backup desktop
[06:53] <ReedK2> i wonder if it matters because if you install the other DE, the old DE packages will be ignored
[06:53] <cpaelzer> ReedK2: while a bit of package overload, you can install multiple DE and select on the login manager
[06:53] <cpaelzer> which one to start on login
[06:54] <ReedK2> cpaelzer, I think you need a desktop unless the server is remote.  but it's crazy to try to develop without a desktop, if only due to text-only web browser problems
[06:55] <cpaelzer> ReedK2: I'm not trying to convince you not to do so :-)
[06:55] <cpaelzer> as I mentioned above, my NAS has KDE as well
[06:55] <ReedK2> cpaelzer, anyway I wonder if kde is botnet.
[06:55] <hateball> ReedK2: kubuntu-desktop is the full Kubuntu experience, with associated programs. there's other meta-packages if you want only the DE itself
[06:56] <ReedK2> yeah kubuntu-desktop is supposed to be the 'recommended lightweight installer'.  there's kde-plasma-desktop which is supposed to be core-only.
[06:56] <ReedK2> I thought it would be nice to have some extra tools becasue they might help to customize it
[06:57] <hateball> I dont see any reason not to use kubuntu-desktop unless you are low on storage space
[07:01] <ReedK2> beacuse someoen told me to use kde
[07:01] <ReedK2> oh you mean use the full version?
[07:02] <ReedK2> this ws a bad idea
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:21] <cpaelzer> hiho lordievader
[07:22] <lordievader> Hey cpaelzer
[07:22] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:23] <cpaelzer> good, I hope you too
[07:23] <lordievader> Jup, doing good here :)
[07:51] <ReedK0> does anyone know where kaccounts-providers_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.debis supposed to reside?
[08:15] <ReedK0> does anyone know how to stop recovery mode from timing out and freezing?
[08:29] <lordievader> Why does it enter recovery mode?
[08:30] <ReedK0> lordievader, i installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu 16.04, and it destroyed the computer
[08:30] <ReedK0> the "work-arounds" didn't work.
[08:30] <ReedK0> now recovery mode actually doesn't time out but rather just closes after about 2 minutes.
[08:30] <lordievader> Kubuntu desktop on a server?
[08:30] <lordievader> What work-arounds?
[08:31] <cpaelzer> the way "it destroyed the computer" might be important as well
[08:31] <ReedK0> https://askubuntu.com/questions/804968/apt-get-install-kubuntu-desktop-failed-trying-to-overwrite first answer and
[08:31] <ReedK0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaccounts-providers/+bug/1573787 comment #5
[08:32] <lordievader> Hmm. Could you answer cpaelzer 's question?
[08:32] <ReedK0> when prompted to install sddm or lightdm, I selected "sddm", and the installer closed.  it said: "Locked." and  "your system has errors".
[08:32] <cpaelzer> because while these are issues, overwriting these files does not render your computer unusable
[08:32] <ReedK0> I asked at #kde, and they said to restart and re-run the installer or to use apt to do --fix-installed
[08:33] <lordievader> Installing sddm should not break anything.
[08:33] <lordievader> Did you run 'apt-get install -f'?
[08:33] <ReedK0> sddm did not successfully install
[08:33] <cpaelzer> oh I see, you have an unrelated issue with these packages to install properly but you need to resolve that to continue the install
[08:33] <ReedK0> yes, I did.  it gives the same error: "you should try apt-get install -f"
[08:33] <cpaelzer> of sddm
[08:33] <ReedK0> I also get that with apt remove, apt-get everything and apt --fix-packages
[08:34] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the full output of that command?
[08:34] <lordievader> !pastebin
[08:34] <ReedK0> it's a different computer
[08:34] <ReedK0> it only has the 2-minute recovery mode
[08:34] <lordievader> No shell access (tty, ssh, etc)?
[08:35] <SmokinGrunts> why's the server getting a desktop?
[08:36] <ReedK0> SmokinGrunts, we talked about that like an hour ago
[08:36] <ReedK0> lordievader, only the 2-minute shell in recovery mode
[08:36] <SmokinGrunts> I'm late to the ballgame
[08:36] <lordievader> ReedK0: What happens after those two minutes?
[08:36] <ReedK0> a bunch of [stuff here] appears, and then it returns to the recovery menu, but the PC is frozen.
[08:37] <ReedK0> lordievader, i'd be happy to rip the desktop environment out if it meant i could boot to CLI.  But I can't boot t CLI, either.
[08:38] <lordievader> ReedK0: Do you get more of a shell when you boot with the kernel parameter `systemd.unit=rescue.target`?
[08:38] <ReedK0> i don't know how to do that
[08:39] <ReedK0> lt me see
[08:39] <ReedK0> probably grub
[08:39] <lordievader> In grub you edit the kernel line, after the `splash` you add the above.
[08:39] <SmokinGrunts> can someone get me up to speed?
[08:40] <lordievader> ReedK0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[08:40] <cpaelzer> ReedK0: I don't see how you got into a boot/rescue issue with that - some packages conflicted about some account pluging files, so what
[08:40] <lordievader> SmokinGrunts: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/11/07/%23ubuntu-server.html
[08:41] <cpaelzer> ReedK0: shouldn't the system just work as-is and you can resolve the issue via ssh or whatever you usually use
[08:41] <ReedK0> that's not what #kde says
[08:41] <lordievader> SmokinGrunts: He tried to install kubuntu-desktop and now it doesn't boot.
[08:41] <ReedK0> they said 'it's a deeper issue'
[08:41] <lordievader> If it goes into the rescue mode... it seems like it is a deeper issue.
[08:41] <lordievader> Which is quite strange.
[08:42] <ReedK0> I think sddm not installing properly, or kubuntu-desktop only partially installing (but thinking it's fully installed when you try to install over it)...
[08:42] <SmokinGrunts> what is output of 'lsb_release -a'
[08:42] <ReedK0> I went to rescue mode because normal mode does something else
[08:42] <SmokinGrunts> on the server, that is
[08:42] <ReedK0> normal mode says my graphics card isn't configured properl
[08:42] <ReedK0> or it stops at [blocks] in CLI mode
[08:43] <ReedK0> it gives me the option to choose between two video drivers, and neither of them work.
[08:44] <lordievader> It stops in CLI mode? So, you do have a shell?
[08:44] <ReedK0> lordievader, you want me to set systemd.unit=rescue.target still?
[08:44] <ReedK0> In rescue mode, I can open the recovery shell.  yess
[08:44] <lordievader> If that gives you a shell, yes.
[08:44] <ReedK0> and then the PC freezes after 2 minutes after returning to the menu screen.
[08:44] <ReedK0> I have a shell.  It's just a 2-minute shell.
[08:44] <lordievader> How new is the install?
[08:45]  * ReedK0 sigh
[08:45] <ReedK0> a few weeks
[08:45] <ReedK0> i just want to get my shell logs and
[08:45] <ReedK0> maybe my browser history
[08:45] <ReedK0> figure out how to partition it once again
[08:45] <ReedK0> heartbreaking. like my dog died
[08:46] <lordievader> You do your web browsing on a server O.o
[08:46] <lordievader> Does adding the systemd.unit parameter give you a 'real' shell?
[08:49] <ReedK0> very rarely.
[08:49] <ReedK0> only when it's necessary
[08:49] <ReedK0> or when it's a huge time saver.
[08:50] <ReedK0> hold on that's not easy to do let me do it
[08:51] <ReedK0> do i put it after splash or after $vt_handoff ?
[08:52] <lordievader> after the splash
[08:52] <ReedK0> system
[08:52] <ReedK0> so I just add systemd.unit right after that?
[08:52] <ReedK0> no systemd.unit=rescue.target
[08:53] <lordievader> Yes, that last one.
[08:54] <ReedK0> no
[08:54] <ReedK0> it does not
[08:54] <ReedK0> i get the 'low graphics mode' screen
[08:54] <lordievader> That is fine
[08:54] <lordievader> What happens further?
[08:55] <ReedK0> try running with default graphics mode; reconfigure graphics; troubleshoot an error; exit to concsole login
[08:55] <ReedK0> all of these result in nothing, either a restart or a [blocks] screen
[08:55] <lordievader> Next to the systemd.target line add `nomodeset`.
[08:57] <ReedK0> it's getting worse, honestly
[08:57] <ReedK0> now i can't turn on the network
[08:58] <ReedK0> seems kde is a fat virus
[08:58] <lordievader> Did you get a shell or not?
[08:59] <ReedK0> yes, i'm in one
[08:59] <ReedK0> i'll persist to shell , even if it restarts after 2 minutes
[09:00] <lordievader> Allright, good.
[09:00] <lordievader> How did you setup your network?
[09:00] <ReedK0> all default
[09:01] <lordievader> Do you have a connection now?
[09:03] <ReedK0> i'm probably gonna find my USB drive ;-<
[11:55]  * Jenshae crawls in and collapses in a corner.
[11:56] <Jenshae> Still got the time out problems after reaching Shutdown.
[11:58] <ReedK0> is it true that there's a version of Linux that can be built from the ground up?
[11:59] <Jenshae> Damn Small Linux is very raw. Debian can be installed with a gui I guess.
[11:59] <Jenshae> Can maybe get an old copy of gnome or knoppix
[12:00] <Jenshae> Why would you want to do it though, ReedK0 ?
[12:00] <ReedK0> nah it's a specific release of linux....
[12:00] <ReedK0> like there's gentoo, and it's not gentoo
[12:00] <Jenshae> Do you mean Arch?
[12:00] <ReedK0> it's literally something like 'build-linux'
[12:00] <ReedK0> like it teaches you how to build an operating system
[12:01] <ReedK0> while you install linux
[12:01] <ReedK0> takes 2-3 days
[12:01] <Jenshae> Arch is very raw, have to add everything you need onto it, apparently.
[12:01] <lordievader> ReedK0: Are you refering to LFS (Linux From Scratch)?
[12:02] <lordievader> Personally I'd go for Gentoo over LFS. A package manager is useful.
[12:03] <ReedK0> yes i am
[12:04] <ReedK0> but isn't it probably better to just install ubuntu rather than gentoo because gentoo is very complicated?
[12:05] <lordievader> Ubuntu is less complicated than Gentoo, yes. But if you know what you are doing Gentoo can be blessing and Ubuntu a pain.
[12:05] <lordievader> Each has its merits.
[12:07] <Jenshae> What are you wanting to use your OS for ReedK0 and what hardware specs?
[12:09] <ReedK0> Jenshae, learning C, C++, and some other languages.
[12:09] <ReedK0> I want to do some mathcad type stuff.
[12:09] <ReedK0> or screw around in some kind of 3d programming language
[12:10] <lordievader> Unless you want to learn how Linux works, get Ubuntu.
[12:10] <ReedK0> I want to learn how it works.  I don't know if I need to know how it works in-depth right now, though.  I think I should learn bash and C before I do that.
[12:10] <ReedK0> but i'm not sure, honestly.  maybe it's better to learn how linux works before learning bash and C and C++
[12:11] <Jenshae> Ubuntu + Unity3D is probably the easiest setup for C++ and 3D development
[12:11] <ReedK0> I thought I could install ubuntu and then install a virtual box on my windows box and build gentoo there
[12:12] <Jenshae> You can install Ubuntu and VM Gentoo and Windows. I play games via Win7 and VMware, not worth dual booting, very few games I can't run on Linux (mostly just DirectX 11 ones)
[12:13] <ReedK0> i don't play games
[12:13] <ReedK0> except a motorcycle game on my phone, but i spend like 10 minutes a day on that
[12:15] <Jenshae> Games being the toughest thing to VM due to DirectX problems. Viva la vulkan
[12:15] <Jenshae> Point being that you should be able to VM pretty much anything you want and if you use Lubuntu-Desktop on Ubuntu then you will have loads of hardware resources to pick what Virtual Machine you want to run on top of that.
[12:16] <Jenshae> I prefer lubuntu desktop slapped onto Ubuntu rather than a direct Lubuntu install.
[12:17] <ReedK0> the thing I've had the most trouble with is wechat.
[12:20] <Jenshae> I am unfamiliar with that. What protocol does it use?
[12:20] <Jenshae> There are native clients for IRC, Google chat, Yahoo chat, Slack chat, Discord, Team Speak, Mumble and Skype to run on Ubuntu.
[12:21] <ReedK0> it's a windows program
[12:22] <ReedK0> Anyway, I just need to wait for a release to be made for ubuntu
[12:22] <ReedK0> okay i did the backups. i couldn't find my web browsing history for firefox, but I guess that's okay.
[12:22] <Jenshae> Try Wine + PlayOnLinux, despite the name PoL, is really good at managing windows programs.
[12:23] <Jenshae> Also see if your WeChat shows requirements, such as "ms fonts tahoma" or anything else like that.
[12:23] <Jenshae> you might fine WeChat on winehq.org with a guide on running it.
[12:23] <ReedK0> i'm goig to try those sometim
[12:24] <ReedK0> so you can install unity3d from apt?  wow
[12:25] <ReedK0> i remember 2008 when unity was getting started and bitcoins were cheap, and i didn't have any money.
[12:47] <Jenshae> I got Unity3D from their website.
[12:47] <Jenshae> PoL has a list of things you can install and you can do virtual drives in either 32 bit or 64 bit depending on what you want and as long as the host is 64 biy
[12:47] <Jenshae> bit*
[12:51] <ReedK0> these are the partiions i used
[12:51] <ReedK0> I have /srv /home / and /windows (which is fat32)
[12:51] <ReedK0> and swap
[12:51] <ReedK0> someone told me /srv is not something i should have on a separate partition, and he is also very smart
[12:56] <Jenshae> Personally, I just have /boot_grub or /EFI " / " /home and swap area.
[12:57] <ReedK0> i'm confused
[12:57] <ReedK0> are /boot_grub /EFI and / all the same thing?
[12:57] <Jenshae> I do /efi, " / " and swap as primary partitions with /home as a logical one off the /
[12:57] <Jenshae> In order from start of drive, I go /efi swap / and /home
[12:58] <Jenshae> The /boot_grub is legacy and /efi is for uefi machines.
[12:59] <ReedK0> what sizes should I make them?
[12:59] <ReedK0> would I use /efi ?
[12:59] <Jenshae> I generally run with a 1.5x swap unless I know it will double its RAM and suspend / hibernate will be used.
[12:59] <ikonia> there is no such file system as /efi
[12:59] <ikonia> efi hangs off /boot
[12:59] <ReedK0> you're making my head hurt really bad haha
[12:59] <ReedK0> so /efi isn't something
[12:59] <Jenshae> Does your BIOS have UEFI?
[12:59] <ikonia> and this channel is for ubuntu server discussion - please try to stick to that topic
[13:00] <ReedK0> no idea what uefi is
[13:00] <ReedK0> brb i will look
[13:01] <Jenshae> The /efi is an option during Something Else installation . It also runs it as a change when you do the default wipe the whole drives and install.
[13:01] <Jenshae> I will private mssage you ReedK0
[13:01] <ikonia> fantastic, thanks Jenshae
[13:01] <ReedK0> Yes, it uses uefi
[15:05] <joelio> lol, just came out of a near-UEFI disaster post Dell BIOS upgrade.. decided to not revert back fwupdater and get stuck in a 'boot device not found' loop-
[15:06] <joelio> had to readd the entry manually, pointing to the shim for secure boot to work
[15:06] <joelio> so the stuff in /boot is used to shim /efi for sb afaiu
[15:07] <joelio> you can add an entry directly to the grub efi *if* you're not using sb
[15:07] <joelio> TIL... :)
[16:27] <Jenshae> Now write the guide on that because ... I only have a very vague idea of what you are talking about. :P
[16:28] <Jenshae> I have successfully rebuilt the RAID with a new drive, got Nvidia drivers working and a Lubuntu desktop going on this server (the server built out of spares)
[16:29] <joelio> ah yeam recall
[16:32] <Jenshae> I don't suppose there is a GUI config of Samba that tests things, like if it successfully joined the domain diagnosing as it sets up in stages? :P
[16:32]  * joelio doesn't use samba (even then it was cli too)
[16:35] <Jenshae> You have a pure Nix office? Mine is mostly Windohs. Trying to show the worth of nix by making this archive server (just a raw file server)
[16:37] <joelio> yep, we do cloud stuff
[16:37] <joelio> (our dept is pure linux anyway)
[16:37] <joelio> bean counters etc are windows :)
[16:37] <joelio> but no need for smb as we do the whole cloud crap
[16:38] <drab> Jenshae: to some extent you can use smbclient to test things as you go, that's what I did, but for some things like joining AD it's a little trickier
[16:38] <drab> Jenshae: it was too much for our needs, but something that may be worth considering if FreeIPA if you haven't looked at it
[16:39] <joelio> if it's SMB, perhaps - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/zentyal.html
[16:39] <drab> oh that too, yes
[16:40] <Jenshae> Thank you
[16:44] <joelio> has some shiny too http://www.zentyal.org/server/
[16:49] <Jenshae> That is my homework. See you tomorrow / another day o7
[16:50] <joelio> laters
[16:50] <joelio> nearly hometime myself
[17:33] <JanC> joelio: for safety reasons it's probably even more important to move bean counters to something more sane ASAP  ;)
[17:35] <joelio> I'm no MS hater, not anymore
[17:36] <joelio> plus realised it's better to chose battles wisely or you get to support them
[17:36] <joelio> there's Chromebooks aplenty too, it's not that bad tbh
[17:36] <dpb1> joelio: MS has a ton of cool ubuntu projects going on, fwiw.  the windows subsystem for linux thing is amazing
[17:36] <joelio> yup, I know :)
[17:36] <JanC> still, there probably is no reason why bean counters would need MS Windows nowadays
[17:36] <joelio> just not something will personally use
[17:37] <dpb1> joelio: I'm in the same boat, mostly just for games here
[17:46] <dirtycajunrice> Anyone been in the mud with NFS and 10GBe ?
[17:47] <maswan> no mud, but we do run it
[17:49] <dirtycajunrice> throughput ?
[17:49] <dirtycajunrice> I cant seem to get it to do more than 50ish MB/s
[17:49] <dirtycajunrice> which linearly decline with more transfers
[17:53] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/backend
[17:53] <maswan> that's all nfs traffic
[17:54] <maswan> so peaks at roughly line rate
[17:56] <dirtycajunrice> right but anything can fluke flux to line
[17:57] <dirtycajunrice> my graphs have that as well. but its where yours is for average
[17:57] <dirtycajunrice> which is <50
[17:57] <maswan> yeah, but there isn't more demand than that most of the time
[17:57] <dirtycajunrice> hm.
[17:57] <dirtycajunrice> im moving 35TB of data
[17:57] <maswan> we've seen that sustained for 5-10 minutes
[17:58] <dirtycajunrice> so it would stay sustained for about 3 days if i could get it higher
[17:58] <dirtycajunrice> but its crapping the bed.
[17:59] <maswan> seems to be no weird stuff, ro,no_subtree_check in exports
[17:59] <maswan> proc/mounts gives us: nfs4 ro,nosuid,nodev,noatime,vers=4.0,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>,local_lock=none,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:59] <maswan> you have low latency networking without packet drops?
[18:00] <dirtycajunrice> yeah. single L1 hop
[18:00] <maswan> reasonably low, I mean. not tens of ms or higher RTT
[18:00] <maswan> ack
[18:00] <dirtycajunrice> so almost identical
[18:00] <dirtycajunrice> <IP_ADDRESS>:/tv4 on /mover/tv4 type nfs4 (rw,relatime,vers=4.0,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>,local_lock=none,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>)
[18:00] <maswan> are you reading or writing over nfs?
[18:00] <dirtycajunrice> all writes.
[18:00] <dirtycajunrice> since its a move job
[18:01] <dirtycajunrice> HDD are all capable of about 120MB/s ea
[18:01] <dirtycajunrice> so its not throttled there. and i can do an Rsync at HDD speed
[18:01] <maswan> well, that's a bit different than ours, ours is most read
[18:01] <maswan> but our updating node can at least to line rate gigE
[18:01] <dirtycajunrice> Hm.
[18:01] <dirtycajunrice> So frustrating. and NFS is faster than SMB
[18:02] <JanC> no traffic shaping going on?
[18:02] <dirtycajunrice> nope
[18:02] <dirtycajunrice> s/smb/cifs
[18:02] <dirtycajunrice> you know what i meant :P
[18:06] <JanC> the target filesystem is not badly fragmented?
[18:07] <dirtycajunrice> no. Fresh drives with fresh fs/partitions
[18:10] <JanC> BTW: why not just use rsync if that works faster?  :)
[18:14] <dirtycajunrice> JanC, I actually am using it for the bulk transfer currently
[18:15] <dirtycajunrice> but this will not fix the issue after the files are moved as more than 50MB/s of files are moved/accessed at a time
[18:15] <JanC> right
[18:15] <dirtycajunrice> so i am temporarily working around it and during the next 3 days im trying to resolve the issue on the backend
[18:16] <JanC> when moving them over NFS, were you using 'cp' or something else for that?
[18:16] <dirtycajunrice> ive tried literally everything.
[18:16] <dirtycajunrice> ive tested: cp, mv, rsync, dd
[18:17] <dirtycajunrice> to see if its tool problems
[18:17] <dirtycajunrice> its not.
[18:17] <dirtycajunrice> its stupid stupid nfs.
[18:45] <teward> dpb1: sent you a reply to your PM, sorry about the time delay.  Been busy dealing with FCC coordinators :P
[18:47] <coreycb> jamespage: it looks like we'll be able to drop pandas from the queens UCA soon. gnocchi dropped use of it in recent commits.
[18:47] <coreycb> jamespage: which is good, because it pulls in a lot of new dependencies
[18:48] <coreycb> or, would have pulled
[19:06] <jonfatino> Do they have livecd for ubuntu-server?
[19:06] <jonfatino> without gui?
[19:09] <teward> jonfatino: no.  there is no server livecd
[19:09] <rharper> there, is
[19:09] <rharper> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/
[19:10] <teward> rharper: there's actually a *livecd* version of Server, not just a daily built installer image?
[19:10] <teward> i've never seen "try ubuntu" on the Server ISOs
[19:10] <rharper> teward: well, it's a liverootfs
[19:10] <jonfatino> Ty rharper
[19:11] <teward> rharper: is the ISO updated?
[19:11] <rharper> it's live and it's the server image;  I'm not sure it includes a drop to shell directly at this time
[19:11] <rharper> teward: in what way ?
[19:11] <teward> rharper: between the final daily version there and the final release version what's the difference at the core
[19:11] <teward> or is there none
[19:11] <teward> because I forget how final freeze worked :P
[19:11] <teward> (E: NOCOFFEE, NOMONEY)
[19:12] <rharper> teward: it's got a 10/18 pub date;  so I don't think it's being updated; but as soon as bionic has an image, then that'll be fresher
[19:14] <rharper> teward: I'm not sure about the frequency of the updates to cdimage for released stuff;  it's possible that those aren't generated until the dot releases except for the devel release images
[19:14] <rharper> the other server image, has the same pub dates as the daily-live image
[19:23] <coreycb> jamespage: we may also be able to drop python-docker from queens CA since xenial has 1.9.0 now.
[21:40] <jamespage> coreycb: sounds like a plan
[21:41] <jamespage> coreycb: yes agreed - pandas is large and awkward
[21:41] <coreycb> jamespage: yes
[21:41] <jamespage> coreycb: we need a good way of actually getting those removed from the UCA - reprepro does not automatically cleanup things we remove from the source PPA's
[21:41] <jamespage> coreycb: I think its just some commands we can generate
[21:41] <hehehe> short of rebooting
[21:41] <hehehe> Cannot establish tunnel
[21:41] <hehehe> 11:37 PM     com.jcraft.jsch.JSchException: SSH_MSG_DISCONNECT: 2 Too many authentication failures
[21:41] <hehehe> 11:37 PM how to reset it?
[21:41] <hehehe> how to reset it?
[21:41] <hehehe> :D
[21:42] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[21:42] <hehehe> I was trying to login to a sql via ssh tunnel, ssh tunnel part did work, sql nope
[21:42] <hehehe> and now this error
[21:42] <hehehe> :D
[21:42] <hehehe> I will just reboot
[21:42] <hehehe> it is quicker
[21:43] <hehehe> oo same error again
[21:43] <hehehe> wtf is this
[21:44] <sdeziel> hehehe: do you have a customized sshd_config server-side?
[21:46] <hehehe> no
[21:48] <hehehe> any ideas how to check what is wrong
[21:52] <drab> is there a recommended setup these days for ldirectord-like setup on ubuntu?
[21:52] <ikonia> drab: in what respect ?
[21:52] <drab> I'm trying to load balance a bunch of different services, mostly all tcp
[21:52] <ikonia> (nice to see an unusual question)
[21:52] <drab> altho the primary reason i'm wanting this is for maintenance, not standard load balancing
[21:53] <drab> maintanance/fail over
[21:55] <drab> I have two specific use cases i'm trying to work through: 1) a content filter 2) an asterisk server
[21:56] <drab> in both cases I'm upgrading software and I'd like to be able to move clients to the new upgraded servers slowly
[21:56] <drab> but in both cases to change ips or play with dns isn't possible/advisable
[21:56] <ikonia> you won't be able to "drain" with a pbx
[21:56] <ikonia> as you can't drain an in use call
[21:56] <ikonia> you can drain against logged in users that are idle - it will just blip as it fails over
[21:57] <drab> yeah, that's ok/the plan, move a bunch of phones overnight when they ar enot in use
[21:57] <ikonia> the content filter should be fine as these are normally just a http service so just swap over between requests
[21:57] <drab> but I don't have to have to reconfigure the phone because provisioning isn't very smooth
[21:58] <drab> so basically I'd like to take the ips now assigned at the current machines and move them to some ldirectd sort of master
[21:58] <drab> and there decide which clients go to which real server based on src ip for example
[21:58] <ikonia> that shouldn't be fine - just setup polling or manual fail over
[21:58] <sdeziel> drab: you could use keepalived to have a VIP moved between 2 asterisk instances
[21:58] <ikonia> ahh you want to do source based routing
[21:58] <ikonia> yeah, keepalived would be better for that sort of thing, it has rules
[21:59] <drab> but there's only one ip, now? if I move it to the new machine all clients will move
[21:59] <ikonia> one IP ?
[21:59] <drab> s/now/no/
[21:59] <drab> one VIP
[21:59] <ikonia> where is there only 1 IP
[21:59] <ikonia> you can setup however many vips you want
[21:59] <ikonia> you could have one per service
[22:00] <ikonia> one per geographic location
[22:00] <ikonia> whatever you want
[22:00] <hehehe> sdeziel: maybe disable strict mode?
[22:00] <hehehe> what its for?
[22:00] <ikonia> strict mode ?
[22:00] <ikonia> what has strict mode /
[22:00] <drab> I guess I don't get it... say current asterisk is <IP_ADDRESS> , if I make that into a VIP and share it between the old asterisk (which would move to a physical ip of say <IP_ADDRESS>) and a new one on <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:01] <hehehe> sshd config
[22:01] <drab> <IP_ADDRESS> VIP would be assigned to only one of tyhose machine at a time, no?
[22:01] <hehehe> I need to access sql via ssh tunnel
[22:01] <hehehe> yet to work
[22:01] <drab> at which point any client configured to connect to <IP_ADDRESS> would go to the machine with that VIP
[22:01] <ikonia> drab: no, it's assigned to the servive, you can tell the pass through to go where you want - depending on the routing rules
[22:01] <drab> oh
[22:01] <drab> I thought that was what ldirectd was
[22:02] <drab> not keepalived, I thought that was just VRRP
[22:02] <drab> anyway, if that's a standard/recommended way to implement it I'll just go read the docs
[22:02] <ikonia> keepalived is dumber, but has rule based managemtn
[22:02] <drab> I was mostly trying to figure out how ppl where normally implementing this sort of thing
[22:03] <ikonia> ldirectd is more advanced, but less configuration
[22:03] <ikonia> drab: front a service with a "distributor" of some sort, then put multiple services behind them
[22:03] <hehehe> ikonia: any ideas what can it be?
[22:03] <ikonia> it's that simple, the "distributor" is the thing that controls the rules
[22:03] <sdeziel> hehehe: I was more thinking about MaxAuthTries that you can trip when offering multiple keys
[22:03] <drab> ikonia: yeah I get the principle, I was looking for recommendations in terms of implementation. I will look at keepalived, thanks.
[22:03] <drab> right
[22:03] <drab> thank you
[22:04] <ikonia> hehehe: I have no idea of your problem description as I've not been following, but I'm not keen to help you based on the abuse you've sent me in pm in the past
[22:04] <ikonia> drab: there is another software one, something monkey that's a bit dated but actually very light and easy
[22:04] <hehehe> sdeziel: yep me too! but there is not MaxAuth in the sshd config :D
[22:04] <hehehe> ikonia: emmm :P
[22:04] <sdeziel> hehehe: the default is 6
[22:04] <hehehe> yep
[22:04] <drab> ikonia: yeah, http://www.ultramonkey.org/3/lvs.html
[22:04] <drab> Iw as looking at that too
[22:05] <drab> there's actually a few more , some more "modern" too, but none of them seems really tested/having a large user base
[22:05] <drab> hence coming to ask
[22:05] <drab> to try and get a sense of what was going to be a well maintained/stable/support way to implement this
[22:05] <sdeziel> drab: you can also use keepalived alone without LVS
[22:05] <ikonia> drab: thats it !
[22:05] <hehehe> sdeziel:  ubuntu 16.04 server no MaxAuth in the config file of sshd :D
[22:06] <hehehe> or maybe there is a command to reset failed counter
[22:06] <drab> sdeziel: yeah, I'm kind of confused about that, I haven't yet figured out how they all work together
[22:06] <sdeziel> drab: with keepalived alone, you'd be simply moving the VIP
[22:06] <drab> some howtoes seem to use them in combo, some don't, some use pacemaker, some recommend HA
[22:06] <drab> sdeziel: right, that's what I thought, and not what I want
[22:06] <ikonia> drab: I've used (in the past) ultramonkey with keepalived with good results
[22:07] <ikonia> drab: so using combos together can give a good result, but it does make it more complex
[22:07] <drab> I don't understand why I need keepalived with ldirectord/ultramonkey, those alone seem to do what I need
[22:08] <drab> cavia of course the director going down
[22:08] <sdeziel> drab: you have 2 different problems. The content filter is apparently simple to deal with a HTTP reverse proxy
[22:08] <drab> maybe that's what keepalived is for, moving the VIP of the director
[22:08] <sdeziel> drab: and the asterisk problem could be dealt with just keepalived if your use case is to just simplify maintenance
[22:09] <hehehe> ok whatever
[22:09] <sdeziel> I don't konw ldirectord/ultramonkey so I cannot comment on that, sorry
[22:09] <drab> sdeziel: well the problem is rollout, I need to verify that asterisk 13 works well before moving everybody to it
[22:09] <drab> so I was hoping to be able to tell a bunch of clients, go use this other server first
[22:09] <drab> transparently
[22:09] <drab> without having to reconfigure the phones
[22:10] <ikonia> drab: you need routing rules
[22:10] <ikonia> and pick a subnet at a time to migrate on
[22:10] <sdeziel> drab: with keepalived, you'd use a check script that would tell you if a node is healthy enough to become primary (the VIP holder)
[22:11] <sdeziel> drab: I'm proposing all at once failover while ikonia proposes staged rollout
[22:12] <ikonia> just to be clear - I'm not proposing anything, I'm trying to meet your requirement, sdeziel's suggestion is just as valid
[22:12] <sdeziel> so maybe ikonia's way would be less risky
[22:12] <ikonia> sdeziel: but more complex
[22:12] <ikonia> it's the trade off
[22:13] <sdeziel> hehehe: maybe if you paste a "ssh -vvv" output we'd learn more about the problem?
[22:13] <hehehe> I am connecting from a gui client
[22:13] <hehehe> Dbeaver
[22:14] <ikonia> based on what he's posted in ##linux the problem appears quite clear,
[22:14] <hehehe> I think it is max tries
[22:14] <ikonia> now that I've read the scroll back
[22:14] <hehehe> have to see where to reset it
[22:15] <hehehe> or maybe ciphers mismatch?
[22:16] <hehehe> I don't think so :D
[22:16] <sdeziel> hehehe: the maxauthtries is a per connection thing, nothing to reset AFAIK
[22:16] <sdeziel> hehehe: cipher mismatch produces a different error
[22:16] <hehehe> I can increase a value of it
[22:16] <hehehe> it does work if I boot in a resue mode and then reboot
[22:17] <hehehe> somehow this resets this lock
[22:17] <hehehe> I can ssh in just fine but not from  DBeaver atm
[22:19] <drab> sdeziel: ikonia: ok thanks, I think I get it at least... going forward I definitely need to be able to stage rollouts so I'll look into ldirectord/ultramonkey and see where that gets me
[22:19] <ikonia> drab: for me, the key is policy based routing for your needs
[22:19] <ikonia> but as sdeziel said, there are more black/white options, it's all a trade off
[22:20] <sdeziel> ikonia: if I understand your approach, no ldirectory/ultramonkey would be needed, just policy routing, right?
[22:20] <drab> ikonia: when you say policy based routing you don't mean iproute,do you? we're still talking about LB software
[22:20] <drab> because I don't see how pb would work at all here
[22:20] <drab> since clients expect to be served as they connnect to x.x.x.x
[22:20] <drab> a response from a different ip would break the connection
[22:21] <ikonia> sdeziel: correct
[22:21] <drab> ok, mind elaborating? I don't understand how that would work
[22:22] <ikonia> drab: no, I mean something like src=subneta dest=destA, src=sebnetb dest=stabledestination
[22:22] <ikonia> so that you can pick which clients go to which destination to allow you to test your new stuff, or stage the roll out / roll back / fail over
[22:22] <ikonia> policy could be anything, subnet, client identifier, first 100 connections whatever, but a policy of some sort
[22:23] <drab> urm, I do pb on the gateway to balance 2 upstream connections and I don't see how I'm gonna be able to do it in this case
[22:23] <drab> with pb the destination servers would be on diff ip
[22:23] <drab> if the phone is configured to connect to asterisk <IP_ADDRESS> I can't route it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:24] <ikonia> drab: right, the destination IP is behind the load balancer
[22:24] <ikonia> so all clients hit <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:24] <ikonia> then you could have first 100 to hit <IP_ADDRESS> gets forwarded to <IP_ADDRESS>,
[22:24] <ikonia> everyone else hitting <IP_ADDRESS> get forwarded to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:24] <ikonia> (for example)
[22:24] <ikonia> so everyone hits <IP_ADDRESS> - but the destination behind <IP_ADDRESS> is controlled by a policy
[22:25] <ikonia> think of it as controlled reverse proxying, but proxying at a tcp level,
[22:25] <sdeziel> wouldn't it need to operate on UDP for SIP/IAX?
[22:26] <ikonia> sdeziel: I don't....know......I thought UDP was just the "advertisment" service
[22:26] <ikonia> the comms was all tcp
[22:26] <ikonia> I guess drab would have to verify that
[22:26] <ikonia> still do able though,
[22:28] <sdeziel> ikonia: is there a LB that you'd recommend?
[22:29] <ikonia> sdeziel: not off the top of my head, I'm sure keepalived can do policy routing (as thats how it's floating vip works with ipvsadm)
[22:29] <ikonia> sdeziel: you could do it with squid, haproxy, or even just iptables if you wanted, but thats a bit more than "load balancing" thats actual routing
[22:30] <sdeziel> squid/haproxy is for TCP only but iptables might cut it though
[22:30] <ikonia> there is one called "guardian" that I think works quite well, and there is an ubuntu package for it
[22:30] <sdeziel> (haproxy is supposed to get UDP support in dev version IIRC)
[22:31] <ikonia> sdeziel: I thought it already had it,
[22:31] <drab> I was actually just looking at haproxy, I thought it used to be for web servers only like nginx
[22:31] <drab> but it seems to be more general purpose
[22:31] <ikonia> but I don't use it enough to be current
[22:31] <ikonia> drab: no, it's much more
[22:31] <sdeziel> I'd have to check/refresh my memory
[22:31] <sdeziel> drab: nginx can proxy udp
[22:33] <sdeziel> drab: a quick an dirty way would be to put <IP_ADDRESS> on a machine with iptables DNAT'ing traffic to the current master asterisk
[22:33] <hehehe> sdeziel: so maybe it is  Dbeaver fault?
[22:33] <sdeziel> drab: whenever you need to swap the master you'd update the DNAT target
[22:34] <sdeziel> hehehe: could be anything, really
[22:36] <drab> sdeziel: I don't think that'd work, answers would be coming from <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever the current master is, and connections would break
[22:37] <drab> to make replies come from <IP_ADDRESS> you'd need full masquerade, at which point src ip is lost and stuff like auth wouldn't work
[22:37] <hehehe> sdeziel: but I can't debug everything
[22:37] <hehehe> how to narrow it down?
[22:37] <drab> (not to mention that logging and accounting would be completely skewed)
[22:37] <ikonia> drab: does the response actually matter, as in the source of the response, as long as it's a valid response
[22:37] <ikonia> drab: don't nat then - forward
[22:38] <drab> it does, that's the linux kernel
[22:38] <sdeziel> drab: with a DNAT, the response would get to the client with src set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:38] <drab> there's a sysctl to allow for responses from diff src ips, but then I'd have to apply that to all clients, which I can't
[22:38] <sdeziel> drab: this rewrite is stateful
[22:39] <drab> sdeziel: why? pkt comes is, dst ip is changed, src ip stays the same , when it hits <IP_ADDRESS> responses are sent to the src ip, not <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:39] <drab> so the client will see a response from <IP_ADDRESS> even tho it sent its pkts to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:39] <sdeziel> drab:this ^ is indeed not gonna work because of the asymmetry introduced
[22:40] <sdeziel> drab: you need to have <IP_ADDRESS> route via the DNAT box when trying to reach the client
[22:41] <drab> mmmh, unless I misunderstand something even that wouldn't work, routing wouldn't change the src ip of the response, which would still be <IP_ADDRESS> / different than the client contacted
[22:41] <sdeziel> drab: if your mangling box does just a DNAT, indeed the client IP remains the same
[22:42] <sdeziel> so the asterisk sees it unaltered and you need to make sure that when it replies it goes through the mangling box again
[22:42] <sdeziel> otherwise you have asymmetric routing and that won't work
[22:47] <ikonia> drab: thank you for an interesting question for a change
[22:51] <drab> altho not mainteined for the last 2 yrs, I just googled this out which seems pretty simple and maybe worth a try: http://www.inlab.de/balance.html
[22:52] <drab> it's shipped in ubuntu
[22:52] <drab> may be good as a quick solution during transition or at least for some of the container stuff I'm trying
[22:52] <ikonia> always good to try something new
[22:52] <sdeziel> drab: I don't feel I had the chance to explain/address your questions properly, maybe tomorrow
[22:52] <ikonia> (even if it's old)
[22:53] <drab> sdeziel: don't worry man, appreciate the conversation
[22:53] <sdeziel> ttl
[22:53] <drab> tbh irc has its limits when it gets to a certain point, diagramming on a whiteboard helps a lot to work through an example
[22:53] <ikonia> I've found it useful/interesting too
[22:53] <drab> sdeziel: ttyl
[22:54] <sarnold> drab: balance looks neat, thanks
[22:55] <drab> I like the, at least apparent, simplicity and command line orientation, I can see how you could quickly put it in some kind of hook script for testing stuff at the very least
[22:56] <drab> lxd is proving to be more and more handy and while the proxy stuff is done it's gonna be even more fun
[22:56] <drab> https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/2504
[22:56] <drab> even tho that's not gonna work across LXD hosts, will still need some external director of sort
[22:57] <drab> but it'll open a whole bunch of possibilities to secure things while exposing them from the host in transparent way
[23:14] <drab> and this is pretty much the entire solution implemented with nginx: https://www.nginx.com/blog/ip-transparency-direct-server-return-nginx-plus-transparent-proxy/
[23:14] <drab> preserving src ip etc
[23:14] <sarnold> is that nginx "plus" or nginx?
[23:15] <drab> well, at the top ti says "The information in this post apply to both the open source NGINX software and NGINX Plus. For the sake of brevity, weâll refer only to NGINX Plus."
[23:15] <sarnold> aha :)
[23:16] <drab> I've been holding off from figuring out nginx as it's, at least for me, more complex then straight apache
[23:16] <drab> but most tutorials for web stuff these days seem to point to nginx + wsgi, especially for python apps, which I do use quite a bit
[23:16] <drab> with flask for apis and stuff
[23:17] <drab> so I may just have to invest the time to learn it, especially if it can also take care of all this "directing" thing for phased rollouts
[23:17] <drab> altho right now I've yet to see how to assign specific clients to an upstream, but i'm guessing it's possible
[23:17] <sarnold> nothing wrong with using tools you already know how to use.. I always found nginx easier to configure than apache though :)
[23:17] <drab> haproxy does that with acls apparently
[23:18] <drab> https://serverfault.com/questions/502487/haproxy-load-balancing-based-on-source-ip-ip-subnet
[23:18] <drab> which is nice and clean
[23:18] <drab> sarnold: well I'm old :), when I used to do this stuff nginx was just the new kid on the block and I never quite got to use it
[23:19] <sarnold> drab: yeah, back in the early days nginx code quality sounded iffy
[23:19] <hehehe> you just a friendly coder friend
[23:19] <hehehe> who can teach you
[23:20] <hehehe> it is a rare thing of freenode but can happen
[23:20] <hehehe> nginx is easy
[23:20] <hehehe> btw I did fix the issue
[23:21] <hehehe> fuck all those read the manual people
[23:21] <hehehe> if I see some of them hit by a car and asking something - my reply may be read a manual
[23:21] <hehehe> LOL
[23:42] <bradm> is there a wiki page or something with details on the official way to upgrade between Openstack releases using the cloud archive?  so far all I've seen is 'update the packages', which while strictly true, I'd appreciate more detail..
[23:53] <Epx998> is there a WAR for the d-i netboot installer not being able to auto select offboard nics?


[02:44] <Unit193> Well, that's pretty dang small. http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2014/08/27/3g-modem-could-connect-internet-of-things/


[15:20] <OvenWerks> Wow, did you know we have no tuner application?
[15:20] <OvenWerks> I tried some out:
[15:21] <OvenWerks> gtkguitune: does not work with jack, not recomended
[15:24] <OvenWerks> gxtuner: works with jack and is easy to use.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> lingot: works really well and is more flexable than gxtuner as it can use pulse or alsa as well as jack.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> lingot would be my recomendation.


[16:50] <xedot> i was directed here since:
[16:50] <xedot> [12:38:54] #F'#ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned)
[16:50] <xedot> could someone help me?
[16:51] <xedot> ive never been to the ubuntu chan (that i remember)
[16:58] <genii> xedot: On March 5 you were in there, it looks like you had some script that pulls random quotes off of bash.org and puts them in the channel. You were asked to turn it off but the spam continued. You were then removed.
[17:01] <genii> xedot: Additionally, some of the quotes were Not Safe For Work and so inappropriate to the content rules of the channel.
[17:04] <xedot> what?
[17:04] <xedot> can you show me logs?
[17:05] <genii> xedot: Sure. Give me a couple minutes
[17:07] <genii> xedot: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/05/%23ubuntu.html   ..if you search for your nickname you will find it
[17:07] <xedot> ok i see it now
[17:07]  * xedot was goin thru his own logs
[17:07] <xedot> thats so weird
[17:08] <xedot> i'd forgotten i even had that .mrc still loaded
[17:08] <xedot> can i pm you?
[17:09] <genii> xedot: It is better that instead we discuss here in the channel so that the other operators can see
[17:09] <xedot> oh
[17:09] <xedot> ok
[17:10] <xedot> if i remove it from my client could i be let back in please?  it was purely unintentional, i assure you
[17:13] <genii> xedot: I will remove it sometime before the next hour, as I have time from my regular work. Try again to enter in about 45 to 50 minutes
[17:15] <xedot> ok, thank you so much....and again, i am sorry
[17:44] <genii> xedot: You should be able to enter #ubuntu now.
[17:48] <genii> @comment 66524 User agrees not to use the script in the channel. Removed.
[17:50] <genii> xedot: Please also exit this channel unless you have further questions or issued which require moderator assistance :)
[22:37] <xedot> ah ok yea sry
[22:41] <hggdh> can someone with ops access on -meeting please kick & ban FatBack?
[22:41] <hggdh> [FatBack] (~Fat@cpe-76-189-106-172.neo.res.rr.com): Fat Back
[22:43] <Unit193> Hit -motu and -devel too, and rww isn't here.
[22:43] <k1l_> ubuntu members do have access there too, hggdh
[22:44] <hggdh> for whatever reason I am unable to gain ops there. Something hosed on my setup here
[22:46] <hggdh> well. worked on -desktop
[22:48] <hggdh> whatever happened, I suddenly got ops on -meeting. I guess chanserv was busy elsewhere
[22:50] <Unit193> hggdh: Danke.  -motu too? :)
[22:50] <hggdh> going there
[22:50] <hggdh> Unit193: bitte
[22:52] <hggdh> Unit193: done
[22:53] <k1l_> same guy as [FrogLeg] (~Frog@rrcs-98-101-157-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com): Frog Leg yesterday
[22:58] <hggdh> new personality for HFS+?
[22:58] <k1l_> hi totem, how can we help you?
[22:58]  * hggdh really, really, has to fix macros
[22:58] <totem> oh ok
[23:45] <popey> how come randoms can set the /topic in -touch?
[23:45] <Unit193> No t cmode.
[23:45] <k1l_> the channel is not set +t
[23:45] <k1l_> which is fine for channels where users should be able to
[23:46] <popey> thanks for setting it correctly k1l_
[23:47] <k1l_> iirc that troll last days was the only issue so far on the topic.


[11:23] <reggie-man> I'm trying to make a desktop entry for Minecraft. I put each size icon named mc.png into it's respective location (~/.local/share/icons/hicolor/16x16 etc) and then set the Icon key in the .desktop file to "mc", but the icon isn't displaying on the desktop entry.
[11:27] <deshipu> run gtk-update-icon-cache
[11:27] <deshipu> and then change your icon theme to something and back
[11:34] <reggie-man> Didn't work, deshipu.
[11:42] <deshipu> then I don't know :(
[11:52] <brainwash> reggie-man: you could pass the full path to the icon file
[11:52] <reggie-man> Yes, but I want the file to be portable.
[11:53] <reggie-man> brainwash: ^
[11:54] <brainwash> there is #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org
[11:55] <brainwash> in case no one here knows how to solve your problem
[12:05] <reggie-man> brainwash: Is it gtk's area?
[12:08] <Weimar1919> is there a way to backup the favorites tab in the app launcher menu? I'm using xubuntu 14.04 with xfce and the favorites menu randomly gets reset
[12:11] <deshipu> Weimar1919: it's ~/.gtk-bookmarks IIRC
[12:13] <knome> ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks
[12:14] <knome> hmm, not that for the applications menu
[12:14] <Weimar1919> knome, got the file but its empty
[12:16] <Weimar1919> could it be in ~/.config/xfce4?
[12:20] <Weimar1919> nevermind found it in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/whiskermenu-1.rc
[12:20] <Weimar1919> thanks anyways!
[13:02] <wlxmhls> hello, what is the default app to edit 'ppt' files
[13:03] <knome> there is no default application, but you can install libreoffice impress to do that
[13:03] <wlxmhls> ok, thanks
[13:04] <irgendwer4711> hi, today my trayicon for Thunderbird disappeared. anyone else too?
[13:06] <reggie-man> I never had a tray icon for Thunderbird.
[13:07] <irgendwer4711> firetray
[13:07] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: Right-click panel>Panel>Panel Preferences>Items>Add
[13:08] <reggie-man> Or maybe it's in the Thunderbird settings.
[13:08] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: What is firetray?
[13:08] <irgendwer4711> a thunderbird plugin
[13:09] <reggie-man> Could be a bug in that.
[13:09] <reggie-man> Is it installed be default, irgendwer4711?
[13:09] <irgendwer4711> worked for months since now
[13:09] <irgendwer4711> until now
[13:11] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: This one? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/firebird/
[13:11] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: no
[13:12] <AgAu> its just a default tray icon
[13:13] <AgAu> xfce4-indicator-plugin
[13:14] <AgAu> is that in your panel?
[13:14] <irgendwer4711> something about that
[13:14] <irgendwer4711> AgAu: is this a process?
[13:14] <AgAu> no
[13:14] <brainwash> did the sound icon/indicator disappear too?
[13:14] <irgendwer4711> brainwash: no sound and clock are there
[13:15] <AgAu> panel preferences > items
[13:15] <AgAu> the items must have been removed from the panel
[13:15] <brainwash> did you accidentally remove the "indicator-messages" package?
[13:15] <reggie-man> no wait
[13:15] <brainwash> which is responsible for the white envelope icon
[13:16] <irgendwer4711> AgAu: I think, its there.
[13:16] <irgendwer4711> I have a "notification area" (translated)
[13:16] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: Right click sound icon>Properties>check/uncheck Messaging Menu
[13:17] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: I do not have "Messaging Menu" there
[13:18] <brainwash> irgendwer4711: did you accidentally remove the "indicator-messages" package?
[13:19] <irgendwer4711> I have a notification are, there is a icon for Gigolo and Pidgin.
[13:19] <irgendwer4711> *a
[13:20] <AgAu> that's a different
[13:20] <AgAu> the indicator plugin is separate from that
[13:20] <irgendwer4711> AgAu: sure?
[13:20] <reggie-man> The network, sound, and messaging buttons are all in one little applet.
[13:20] <reggie-man> They're all grouped together as an item on the panel.
[13:21] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: so now whats missing?
[13:21] <reggie-man> Messaging Meun
[13:21] <reggie-man> Menu
[13:21] <reggie-man> com.canonical.indicator.messages
[13:22] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: ahh, something happend
[13:22] <reggie-man> What?
[13:22] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711?
[13:22] <irgendwer4711> I got new icons
[13:22] <reggie-man> What new icons?
[13:23] <irgendwer4711> a thunderbird icon, a network icon and a mail icon
[13:23] <reggie-man> Isn't that normal?
[13:23] <reggie-man> The mail icon is the messaging menu.
[13:24] <reggie-man> Thunderbird, I don't know. I don't have Thunderbird.
[13:24] <irgendwer4711> the thunderbird icon is new to me, network icon was disabled by me
[13:24] <reggie-man> Is the icon that was missing before there now?
[13:24] <irgendwer4711> yes
[13:24] <irgendwer4711> the white mail icon
[13:24] <reggie-man> How did it come back?
[13:25] <reggie-man> You can probably remove the Thunderbird icon if you want. And you can remove the Network icon too.
[13:26] <irgendwer4711> the news area was gone. I was confused with the notifiaction area, which was there too
[13:26] <irgendwer4711> I have german localization
[13:26] <reggie-man> I don't know anything about a news area.
[13:26] <reggie-man> Is anything wrong still?
[13:26] <irgendwer4711> or messagea area
[13:27] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: looks better now
[13:27] <reggie-man> Good.
[13:27] <irgendwer4711> ah, the thunderbird is the firetray icon
[13:28] <reggie-man> The icons and the labels of the icons in my Panel preferences flicker and change when I move them around and click on them.
[13:29] <reggie-man> The labels/icons are incorrect.
[13:29] <irgendwer4711> maybe I had changed the firetray icon to the standard mail icon
[13:30] <reggie-man> http://i.imgur.com/m2BzL9X.png
[13:31] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: whats with that?
[13:32] <AgAu> ah congrats
[13:32] <AgAu> same bug as me
[13:32] <AgAu> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10903
[13:34] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: how to remove network icon?
[13:44] <someHuman> hi
[13:47] <irgendwer4711> hi
[13:54] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: Right-click>Properties>check/uncheck
[13:54] <irgendwer4711> reggie-man: couldnt be unchecked
[13:57] <reggie-man> Try clearknown indicators.
[13:57] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: Right-click>Properties>Clear known indicators
[13:58] <irgendwer4711> then the thunderbird icon is gone too
[14:22] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: Go back in and re-check it?
[14:22] <irgendwer4711> suddenly it appreas
[14:34] <reggie-man> irgendwer4711: So is everything good now?
[14:34] <irgendwer4711> sort of
[15:29] <xubuntu58w> hey how can I create a launcher for mpv ?
[16:01] <Gwilherm> Hi everybody, I would appreciate some help because I have some troubles with pulseaudio/pavucontrol on a xubuntu 14.04 fresh install. Thanks in advance :)
[16:01] <Gwilherm> Actually, when I start the system and log in, all work fine. But when I run pavucontrol, it seems that pulseaudio crashes and pavucontrol says "Establishing connection to PulseAudio, please wait..." And no sound anymore
[16:21] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> Hello, i'm a new user of xubuntu
[16:22] <AgAu> welcome. how can we help?
[16:23] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> Today some upgrades were installed, and after that I've been having some serious problems. A sign of blocked user appeared on the screen, saying that it would unblock in a few seconds but it got locked in that state. So I turned off the computer and rebooted it. Afterwards, the screen looks like it would be working under safe mode, and I cannot connect to the internet
[16:24] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> the screen looks pretty pixeled, low-quality image, the USB mouse doesn't work immediately, I have to reconnect it every time, and  there is an error message
[16:25] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid:The premission of the setuid helper is not correct"
[17:23] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> hello, i'm new to xubuntu
[17:24] <xubuntu-sol-bsas>  Today some upgrades were installed, and after that I've been having some serious problems. A sign of blocked user appeared on the screen, saying that it would unblock in a few seconds but it got locked in that state.
[17:31] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> I believe that the problem is that upgrades were not completely installed, and so now the computer is in a kind of "safe mode" which I cannot get out. How can I remove the installed upgrades, or restore the system to the previous state? I cannot connect to Internet since this problem
[17:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sol-bsas, reinstall = there is no rollback in ubunt
[17:35] <AgAu> unless you use lvm
[17:35] <AgAu> and snapshots :P
[18:19] <xubuntu-sol-bsas> cfhowlett, should I reinstall the ubuntu?
[18:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sol-bsas, ask in the main #ubuntu channel.  I didn't see your original question.
[18:23] <internetman> why arent passwords for previous connected wireless networks remembered?
[18:27] <pleia2> internetman: they are for me and I've never had trouble with that, what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[18:27] <internetman> pleia2: strange. im not 100% but I think this has been the case on differnet installs
[18:27] <internetman> pleia2: 14.10
[18:28] <internetman> if its just me i dont really care
[18:28] <internetman> i guess
[18:29] <pleia2> hm, strange
[18:30] <pleia2> I believe gnome-keyring is what remembers them, so if something is wrong with that or it's been removed that would cause problems
[18:46] <Joe_knock> Hi there
[18:50] <slickymaster> !hi | Joe_knock
[18:51] <Joe_knock> I'd like to know how to get Session Menu in 14.04. It was there in 12.04 but has now disappeared in 14.04
[18:57] <pleia2> Joe_knock: I think what you want is to add the "Action Buttons" to your panel
[18:59] <Joe_knock> pleia2: Does the "Action Buttons" contain a session manager where I can lock the screen, etc. ?
[18:59] <pleia2> Joe_knock: yep
[19:03] <Joe_knock> last question: How do I decrease the "application menu" to not show the words "application menu" and have the icon only?
[19:05] <cfhowlett> Joe_knock, settings > appearance > settings > Toolbar style > icons
[19:06] <Joe_knock> cfhowlett: I am talking specifically about the "Application Menu". It has the Xubuntu icon and the words "Application Menu" next to each other on the left side.
[19:06] <Joe_knock> okay figured it out
[19:06] <Joe_knock> I had to edit it in the panel
[23:28] <ghostx562> hello
[23:28] <ghostx562> i was wondering how i can get my second hard drive to auto mount on xubuntu 14.04?
[23:36] <Joe_knock> ghost??


[00:00] <phillw> I know how to set up the interface for static VM's, but not for home dynamic ones.
[00:00] <yofel> there goes kbuildsycoca..
[00:01] <phillw> If all else fails, I'll vsftp the the entire file onto the daddy server. But that will take quite a while to do from my link :(
[00:02] <phillw> try and get the report in, before the others start ganging up?
[00:02]  * yofel wonders if one can tell update-manager to block drkonqi during the upgrade
[00:02] <phillw> I ended up with "too many errors"
[00:05] <shadeslayer> whoa
[00:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: I was tab completely for update-manager
[00:05] <shadeslayer> and I found
[00:05] <shadeslayer> wait for it
[00:05] <phillw> the tar file of my install errors is still there.
[00:05] <shadeslayer> update-maintainer
[00:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[00:06] <shadeslayer> so far I've been manually updating that field
[00:06] <yofel> lol
[00:06] <yofel> we have too many tools :P
[00:06] <shadeslayer> correction, we have so many tools that we don't know about
[00:07]  * yofel knew about it - it's used somewhere in the old motu merge guide
[00:07] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[00:07] <shadeslayer> I didn't know about it
[00:07] <shadeslayer> infact, even Quintasan doesn't know about it
[00:08] <shadeslayer> because we decided on using sed to replace maintainers in the ktp script
[00:08] <yofel> well, for us the problem is that it has no kubuntu support. Not sure if someone has a mod
[00:08] <phillw> do you guys still need that VM, or can i move onto ubuntu-studio?
[00:08] <phillw> There is a long list!
[00:09] <yofel> hm. It would be nice if you could get the errors out from it :S
[00:09] <phillw> I'll keep the VM file alive, just not running in case you later need it?
[00:09] <yofel> ok
[00:09] <yofel> most of us are asleep anyway I think
[00:09] <shadeslayer> or really tired of dealing with ISO's for the past 10 days
[00:09] <phillw> yofel: I cannot pull the data from it. honest, I've tried everything I know to pull it off.
[00:10] <yofel> ah well, nvm then
[00:10] <phillw> Save give one of you guys desktop access to piglet, I'm out of ideas.
[00:10] <phillw> you are welcome to pop onto piglet.
[00:11] <yofel> I have no idea what piglet is, but I can try
[00:11] <phillw> piglet is the unix name of my laptop, it runs CentOS
[00:11] <yofel> aah
[00:12] <yofel> I guess if you're online tomorrow we can try then
[00:12] <yofel> my upgrade just failed rather badly as well :(
[00:12] <phillw> I've got about 1.5 Mb/s link here, so it will not be too pretty to access via 'X', but may be possible.
[00:13] <phillw> Else, I can attempt to transfer the file for the VM upto the server which has 100 MB/s link.
[00:17] <shadeslayer> -> logging off for the day :)
[00:17] <yofel> gn
[00:17] <yofel> fun, on my desktop kvm has DNS issues
[00:17] <yofel> google to the rescue
[00:18] <phillw> yofel: I only have the instructions for static ones....
[00:19] <yofel> nah, replacing KVM's NAT address with <IP_ADDRESS> in resolv.conf works
[00:21] <phillw> yofel: let me go try.
[00:22] <yofel> hm, here it seems the upgrade starts failing during configure of fontconfig-config as a perl module is missing
[00:23] <phillw> yofel: wrong file, it gets over-written on boot. It needs to go into /etc/network/interfaces
[00:25] <phillw> yofel: do you want me to put in dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> onto that file area ?
[00:26] <yofel> I know it gets overwritten, but it's enough of a quickfix for a throw-away VM here.
[00:26] <phillw> I was advised to enter it there, as resolve.conf is now an auto build file
[00:26] <yofel> well, you can try, I rarely edit that file
[00:26] <phillw> how to restart networking on kubuntu?
[00:26] <phillw> without it re-reading the entire config file?
[00:27] <yofel> for what? you don't need to restart networking after editing resolv.conf - if you used interfaces you need to restart network-manager I guess put that'll probably read the whole file.
[00:28] <phillw> in which case, I have a slight problem!
[00:29] <yofel> edit both files?
[00:29] <phillw> i only have
[00:29] <phillw> auto lo
[00:30] <yofel> yeah, by default it's pretty empty as network-manager uses dhclient to get the settings
[00:30] <phillw> iface  lo inet loopback
[00:30] <phillw> yup, can you pastebin up your dhcp settings, pleaser?
[00:30] <phillw> I only know static ones!
[00:32] <yofel> uh... dhcp means get settings from the dhcp server, wherever that might be
[00:32] <yofel> if you're on precise then we have a dns cache by default too I think
[00:33] <yofel> (or was that quantal?)
[00:34] <phillw> yofel: you cannot beat a trip to the loo.... piglet is running on DHCP, let me go look at the config files on here :)
[00:35] <phillw> comes of being a little tired :/
[00:38] <yofel> great, apport generated an invalid crash report for the issue.
[00:40] <phillw> yofel: it screamed like a bitch at me.
[00:40] <yofel> seems like the cause is a half-upgraded system. I'll finish this by hand and then try again
[00:41] <phillw> yofel: is restart-nm correct under debian for Network Manager restart?
[00:42] <yofel> under debian not sure, in ubuntu it would be 'sudo service network-manager restart'
[00:43] <yofel> well, at least I can reliably reproduce the ugprade failure
[00:44] <phillw> I still have no network access.
[00:45] <phillw> At least you can confirm the bug.... As odd as it may seem, that is actually progress... just not what we wanted at this point.
[00:47] <phillw> I'll kick in my spare VM on the main server which can take the static IP address system. I only have one spare ipV4 on there, so switching over for me will take a little time as I need to use 'X' to do the installs using virt-manager.
[00:48] <phillw> what iso's do you want me to preload? is it still kubuntu 10.04.04 i386 and the AMD64 that I need to get onto the iso area?
[00:55] <yofel> seems like jr did most of the ISO tests, so unless you have mac or powerpc hardware we're probably fine there
[00:55]  * yofel can do the auto-resize stuff later
[00:57] <phillw> I'll grab both the i386 and amd 64. ones of 10.04.04. As the b/band speed of the master server is a darn sight faster than I have, the delay doing an ssh -X will hopefully be negated. I didn't think it was going to be three CD's worth of stuff!
[00:59] <phillw> took it 70 seconds to grab the i686, and 69 seconds for the amd64 (It's why we refer to it as the beast)
[01:01] <yofel> seems like I'm seeing bug 990555
[01:02] <yofel> I'll file a new one as the error happens at a slightly different place (probably still a dupe)
[01:05] <phillw> yofel: I've asked lars (the only known Mac-AMD64 tester to check out the ubuntu one, as it the source of all the others, He is the only Mac-AMD tester we have, on any team. We do have a couple of ppc testers for lubuntu, and you can actually test ppc on a VM. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64 We do not have a VM available for AMD-64
[01:05] <yofel> thanks! good to know
[01:06] <phillw> afaik, kubuntu is dropping ppc?
[01:07] <phillw> I know xubuntu has, so it being handed to the baby of the family as we do have some testers. If kubuntu ever want ppc stuff testing, just shout up on #ubuntu-testing and i'll ask the guys to have a look.
[01:07] <yofel> can't remember now what the decision was. The images are still built, if nobody tests they'll simply not get released
[01:09] <phillw> You'd need to check within kubuntu, we only have 4 ppc testers, so we are thin on the ground as well.
[01:10] <yofel> IIRC that's 3 more than we have
[01:12] <phillw> maybe after 12.10, we can decide how best to deal with ppc. As to getting Mac-AMD64 people, I've had zero success in getting any more for us, or any other team.
[01:14] <phillw> I've applied for sponsorship for UDS 13-04, so, I just have to see if get happens.
[01:55] <shadeslayer> I heard mac and amd64
[01:57] <yofel> hm, I thought I would give the oneiric upgrade test a try, now do-release-upgrade is sitting there reading the cache using 400% CPU the last 5 minutes...
[01:58] <yofel> ah no, seems like KVM hung up
[02:15] <phillw> yofel: I have the 10.04.4 iso's sat on the beast, i'm a little too tired to go install them tonight. I need to also set up the static rules so I can actually provide the logs.
[02:16] <phillw> shadeslayer: yeah, we appear to have one mac-amd64 tester across all flavours; he is busy, but would really love a bit of company
[02:16] <phillw> no one else seems to have the kit.
[02:18] <phillw> has any one tried on actual kit? I was told it was just a simple VM task.
[02:20] <shadeslayer> phillw: thing is, the point of testing the ISO is on mac's that don't boot
[02:21] <shadeslayer> phillw: I've tested amd64 mac images for kubuntu the last couple of releases
[02:21] <shadeslayer> and then I've tested the desktop images
[02:21] <shadeslayer> both work fine for me
[02:21] <shadeslayer> so, tbh, it doesn't make sense to test those images because they'll surely boot on my macbook
[02:22] <shadeslayer> those images need to be specially tested on devices that can't boot the standard desktop images
[02:22] <phillw> shadeslayer: can you touch base with Lars from Lubuntu-QA team, as he was, until right now, the only other tester we on ubuntu-qa were aware of :)
[02:22] <shadeslayer> sure
[02:22] <shadeslayer> ( I've had a long chat on #ubuntu-release about this btw )
[02:23] <phillw> Lars does not do IRC, he's an email person. He kindly responds to balloons when an SOS goes out for other teams.
[02:24] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[02:24] <shadeslayer> I'm quite tired, I'll remember to email him
[02:25] <shadeslayer> apparently tired, but not tired enough to sleep
[02:25] <phillw> shadeslayer: if you apply, I'll approve immediately approve it https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[02:26] <phillw> -approve ... you're not the only tired one!
[02:28] <shadeslayer> done
[02:28] <yofel> btw. is there a lubuntu dev channel on freenode? or are you just using ubuntu-devel?
[02:30] <phillw> shadeslayer: approved, he is on the list as https://launchpad.net/~larsnooden
[02:31] <phillw> emailing by the ML is better, so I have at least a small chance to know what is going on :P
[02:31] <shadeslayer> sure
[02:33] <phillw> yofel: the devs decided not to have a -devel list, they use the -qa one for discussions that are related to dev, and then have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers for them selves.
[02:34] <yofel> ah, we're doing the opposite thing ^^
[02:35] <shadeslayer> actually
[02:35] <shadeslayer> we're not using the wiki anymore
[02:35] <phillw> I cannot insist the devs make a mailing list. All lubuntu bugs are sent to us, as are all updates.
[02:35] <shadeslayer> notes.kde.org ftw
[02:35] <phillw> all the devs are on the -qa list.
[02:36] <phillw> well, all 5 of them.
[02:36] <yofel> as long as it works... In our case we don't really have a QA team, so there's no point in seperating that
[02:36] <phillw> indeed, as long as qa & dev work together, that is what matters.
[08:39] <Riddell> ScottK: LGPL 2 only can be converted to GPL 2+, see article 3
[08:45] <apachelogger> "investigate kde touchpad enabler for packaging/inclusion"
[08:45] <apachelogger> what's that?
[08:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's a 12.10 work item?
[08:48] <apachelogger> aye
[08:48] <Riddell> I've no idea
[08:49] <Riddell> sounds like synaptiks but we have that
[08:49]  * apachelogger ponders complaining about the quality of WIs again
[08:50] <Riddell> come to UDS to keep them high quality :)
[08:50] <apachelogger> ENOTIME
[08:53] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-dev] make daily builds of Qt media hub: TODO
[08:53] <apachelogger> that does not seem worhtwhile TBH
[08:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, also klook requires dolphin patching
[08:54] <apachelogger> with code like
[08:54] <apachelogger> if (QString(now->metaObject()->className()).contains("Konsole::TerminalDisplay"))
[08:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah that's why nobody's got round to it
[08:59]  * apachelogger looks at calendar
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: closing the klook work item for lack of proper patches/inclusion in dolphin master
[09:03] <Riddell> ok
[09:03] <apachelogger> uh
[09:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: we don't have the owncloud client in the archives yet?
[09:05] <apachelogger> fregl: ping
[09:06]  * apachelogger looks at calendar again
[09:07] <danimo_> apachelogger: I think debfx saw issues with openssl in the csync plugin that's required by the owncloud client
[09:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: public poll about libreoffice vs. calligra? we wanted to make the final decision before beta, which is 2 weeks away
[09:08] <apachelogger> danimo_: thx, oh, btw, do you happen whether/when Qt5's release target is?
[09:08] <apachelogger> debfx: ping
[09:08] <danimo_> apachelogger: hahaha, no
[09:08] <apachelogger> k ^^
[09:08] <apachelogger> fregl: unping
[09:08] <danimo_> apachelogger: the beta is still targeted for "asap"
[09:08] <apachelogger> asap is what I use as target for phonon
[09:08] <apachelogger> asap ~= 2 months :P
[09:09] <danimo_> apachelogger: IIRC we are having source packages, and some people are considering last-minute-ammendments
[09:09] <danimo_> apachelogger: because the beta is supposed to be feature-complete
[09:10] <apachelogger> last time amendments tend to bring forth phonon competitors
[09:10] <apachelogger> scnr
[09:11] <danimo_> apachelogger: :p
[09:11] <debfx> apachelogger: it has GPL + OpenSSL license issues, upstream is aware of it
[09:11] <apachelogger> does upstream care?
[09:12] <debfx> yes
[09:12] <apachelogger> ok then
[09:13] <apachelogger> I still find it worth noting that tomorrow is feature freeze, so that ought to be fixed soonishy :S
[09:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: owncloud-client is in
[09:14] <apachelogger> oh?
[09:14] <apachelogger> isn't that called mirall?
[09:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: my thinking is we decide on package inclusion after beta 1 and before beta 2
[09:14] <debfx> but the binaries are undistributable
[09:14] <Riddell> I don't think a public poll is useful, that just gets the opinionated people
[09:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: with calligra we explicitly agreed on deciding before beta I think
[09:15] <apachelogger> that's also what the WI says
[09:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: problem is ... there is litterly no feedback at all
[09:15] <apachelogger> also no bug reports
[09:15] <apachelogger> debfx: I thought the csync thingy has the license isssue?
[09:17] <debfx> apachelogger: yes. I'm not sure what's the best course of action. maybe just remove the binary packages.
[09:17] <apachelogger> debfx: the csync stuff is in the archive? Oo
[09:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, Fabian actually made a poll on g+
[09:19] <apachelogger> how convenient
[09:19] <apachelogger> https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/K36rbyfXBSa
[09:19] <apachelogger> opinionated folks: all hail the calligra
[09:57]  * debfx wonders if it's a good sign that half of the csync tests fail
[11:26] <Quintasan> debfx: It's always good when tests fail :P
[11:26] <Quintasan> They are there for a reason
[13:38] <Riddell> apol: kdevelop compiled if you didn't see that https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[13:39] <Riddell> hopefully won't take so long in future
[13:41] <apol> cool
[13:41] <apol> Riddell: is there any way to use this repo only for kdevelop?
[13:42] <Riddell> apol: it only contains kdevelop
[13:42] <apol> fair enough
[13:42] <Riddell> apol: but you'd be best to disable it once you've installed what you want incase we add anything else to it later
[13:42] <apol> well the thing is that i wouldn't want to have other projects in beta
[13:42] <apol> ok
[13:48] <yofel> apol: you can always add another repos just for kdevelop. Question would be who would maintain that
[13:49] <apol> i don't have much interest in doing any packaging
[13:55] <apol> Riddell: http://paste.opensuse.org/3624982
[13:55] <Riddell> wibble
[13:55] <dantti> ScottK: the cups dbus subscription is fixed now, thanks to Qt::DirectConnection the code now runs on the right thread :P
[13:56] <Riddell> apol: mm I see my mistake
[13:56] <Riddell> apol: do you know how to work out it?
[13:56] <apol> Riddell: i have no idea
[13:56] <apol> should I -f it?
[13:56] <Riddell> apol: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevplatform6-libs_1.3.80-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa1_amd64.deb
[13:58] <apol> Riddell: ok done
[13:58] <Riddell> apol: then run the install command again and see if there's more problems
[13:59] <Riddell> I'd hope there isn't
[13:59] <apol> no no
[13:59] <apol> it worked fine
[13:59] <apol> i called dist-upgrade
[14:00] <apol> Riddell: I have kdevplatform5-libs and kdevplatform6-libs installed now
[14:00] <apol> that doesn't sound right...
[14:01] <Riddell> apol: yeah that won't be possible in the fix I'm adding
[14:01] <Riddell> you can manually remove kdevplatform5-libs if it annoys you
[14:01] <apol> ok
[14:01] <apol> no no problem
[14:36] <Riddell> dantti: so a new git snapshot of print-manager needed?
[14:37] <dantti> Riddell: I'm adding the last TODO before I do a new release KMessageWidget will show the dbus error if s-c-p-dbus fail
[14:38] <Riddell> oh cool
[14:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: want to add print-manager to the seed?
[14:47] <Riddell> dantti: is colord-kde the sort of thing we want installed by default?
[14:48] <dantti> Riddell: well now that the NVidia last blob does support proper color correction I think it's something interesting to have by default
[14:48] <Riddell> afiestas: your first boot bluetooth app has been talked about for ages, do you know what state it's at?
[14:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: add that too
[14:49] <Riddell> ^^
[14:49] <dantti> Riddell: also gnome in ubuntu/fedora has it by default
[14:50]  * dantti remembers he should also do some TODOs on colord-kde :P
[15:00] <dantti> Riddell: almost done :P http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/22/plasma-desktopiR5729.png
[15:02] <Riddell> hmm I'm sure that string can be made more user friendly
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Er, excuse me, anyone have the bug number about phillw failing to upgrade from 10.04.4 to 12.04.1 earlier on?
[15:04] <phillw> smartyboy, it was failure of upgrade-manager to get from a virgin 10.04.4 --> 12.04
[15:04] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1039828  was the problem no?
[15:04] <Riddell> phillw: failure of fontconfig surely?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> I don't think so
[15:05] <phillw> Riddell: I had a screen full of errors, it overloaded apport
[15:06] <phillw> Riddell: (02:57:34) yofel: hm, I thought I would give the oneiric upgrade test a try, now do-release-upgrade is sitting there reading the cache using 400% CPU the last 5 minutes...
[15:06] <dantti> Riddell: well it's the dbus error message I can't think of something better
[15:06] <dantti> maybe it's even localized...
[15:08] <phillw> Riddell: to save you reading all the logs, I have got both 10.04.4 isos on the SII server, if someone is familiar with virtual manager, i will hand over my spare VM to you guys,
[15:09] <phillw> it took less than 60 seconds to grab the iso... it is a capable server.
[15:11] <phillw> else, I will happily install it and see how it goes. the VM on my system lost all internet connection after the upgrade,... really odd, as it obviously had it before to get the upgrade.
[15:11] <Riddell> you do need to manually add the network-management plasmoid back after upgrade
[15:12] <Riddell> I don't really get how you're connecting, is it with remote vnc?
[15:14] <phillw> Riddell: the 1st VM was on my local system. A decent enough laptop, but not up for server stuff. I can happily run at least one VM in its 4GB of ram, saves me using shh -X to the little beast
[15:19] <Riddell> phillw: well I'm not sure I follow, I've done some upgrade tests today and they all work fine (with -proposed enabled)
[15:22] <phillw> Riddell: cool, the 10.04.4 are sat there, I'll fire up the VM and see how it goes. I just cannot get the error files from my local VM transferred any where. I'm on dhcp here, the SII server is on static IPv4, so no matter what the upgrade does, I can override it.
[15:23] <Riddell> what's the SII server?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> phillw: See PM please
[15:25] <phillw> Riddell: the 16G version of http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ It runs CentOS, but I have never had problems with ubuntu server / desktop stuff.
[15:26] <phillw> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#Web_Hosting
[15:26] <phillw> I do pay for 4 such IPv4's myself. C'est la vie
[15:28] <smartboyhw> phillw: PLEASE SEE PM
[15:30] <phillw> Riddell: what instructions do you need for virt-manager? :P
[15:31] <phillw> I'll pull up the lvm from the pool, I usually set them at 10 Gb so there is room to do an upgrade
[15:32] <Riddell> phillw: um I don't know what it is or why I want to use it (over using virtualbox or spare laptops like I normally test on)
[15:33] <phillw> Riddell: as you wish, I was only trying to help on the failure of 10.04.4 --> 12.04 (Confused)
[15:34] <phillw> any connectivity failed on my local system
[15:37] <Riddell> hum, hope I didn't offend him, I just wasn't sure what he wanted me to do
[16:07] <Riddell> mparillo: that theme is still copyright 2010
[16:07] <Riddell> you can take out canonical though, I don't think they had anything to do with it
[16:09] <mparillo> Thank you. So the (c) is correct as to the year? In other places I have been we would automatically increment even without other changes. And typically a copyright notice has a holder. If not Canonical, who?
[16:10] <Riddell> mparillo: the kubuntu community is good enough
[16:10] <Riddell> mparillo: should be 2010-$year  I think
[16:10] <Riddell> mparillo: I added you to the kubuntu-website group so you can now bzr checkout lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org; bzr commit  directly
[16:11] <mparillo> If I do that, do the changes go to some kind of staging / test environment first
[16:14] <Riddell> mparillo: they go to that bzr branch on launchpad
[16:14] <Riddell> I'm still working on getting sysadmin to update from that bzr branch
[16:14] <Riddell> so plenty of time to get things reviewed
[16:14] <Riddell> they're not fast..
[16:18] <mparillo> So, this is better:
[16:18] <mparillo> bzr diff [16:19] <mparillo>  +                                       © 2010 The Kubuntu community. Icons copyright of Oxygen icon theme                                         <br />                                         Kubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd.<?php //print $footer_message . $footer ?>                                 </p>
[16:19] <Riddell> mparillo: best use a pastebin, paste.kde.org is your friend :)
[16:19] <Riddell> mparillo: but best with some php in there for the current year
[16:20] <Riddell> © 2010-<?php date('Y') ?> The Kubuntu community.
[16:20] <Riddell> that needs testing first
[16:35] <mparillo> So I have updated the launchpad and executed a bzr commit. Now do I have to upload the change?
[16:36] <Riddell> mparillo: bzr push
[16:37] <mparillo> bzr: ERROR: No push location known or specified. To push to the parent branch (at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0/), use 'bzr push :parent'.
[16:37] <mparillo> Should I do :parent?
[16:37] <Riddell> mparillo: bzr push lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org
[16:38] <mparillo> Ugh. Same error as last time. I can try from home tonight.
[16:39] <mparillo> Warning: Permanently added the RSA host key for IP address '<IP_ADDRESS>' to the list of known hosts. Permission denied (publickey). ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[16:39] <Riddell> wibble
[16:40] <Riddell> well attach a patch to the bug report and see if it works from home
[16:41] <mparillo> Might be our corp firewall. That is why I have to use the webchat rather than Quassel.
[16:41] <mparillo> Done, and TY.
[16:41] <Riddell> I'd guess it's more likely an issue with ssh keys
[16:44] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Let me have a look.
[16:45]  * Riddell out
[16:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I guess someone accepted it, as it's in.
[16:58] <gotwig> Hibernation handling in powerdevil (bug 812394). << renabled in 12.10 by default ??
[16:58] <gotwig> *reenabled
[17:09] <gotwig> any idea?
[17:30] <genii-around> Heh, PPC
[19:16] <afiestas> Riddell: it was kinda working, but I don't remember wher eI put the code
[19:16] <afiestas> xd
[19:23] <Riddell> careless
[19:23] <Riddell> have you looked behind the fridge?  if you lose something its nearly always there
[19:42] <dantti> Riddell: release done, k-c-d mail sent :P http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/print-manager-0-2-0-released/
[20:00] <rafa_> Hi I want try to help kubuntu
[20:16] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: congratulations
[20:16] <Riddell> rafa_: you've come to the right place!
[20:16] <Riddell> do stick around
[20:17] <Riddell> rafa_: are you into coding or writing or testing or triaging or supporting?
[20:18] <rafa_> umm i want start with something easy :)
[20:22] <rafa_> I can coding (but i don think i could be  good help, because i have to start from zero in kde coding)
[20:28] <Riddell> rafa_: how about updating the screenshots in the kubuntu docs?
[20:28] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: thanks :)
[20:30] <rafa_> i can do it
[20:31] <Riddell> rafa_: do you have quantal running somewhere?
[20:34] <rafa_> nop, i 'am on 12.04 right now.
[20:35] <Riddell> rafa_: so first task is to get 12.10 running, in a virtual machine maybe
[20:35] <Riddell> I find virtualbox-ose good
[20:35] <Riddell> then  bzr co lp:kubuntu-docs
[20:35] <Riddell> to get the docs
[20:36] <Riddell> then updating the images in kubuntu-docs/images to use rekonq and the other current software
[20:36] <Riddell> sorry I need to sleep now, not feel well
[20:36] <Riddell> good luck
[20:38] <rafa_> oks Riddell, i will create a vb image and will try to do it
[20:39] <rafa_> good night
[21:16] <mparillo> Is there an intial set-up for public keys to push to bzr?
[21:17] <yofel> you need to add your ssh key to your launchpad account
[21:17] <mparillo> I did that.
[21:17] <mparillo> Do I need to somehow get the ssh key from launchpad to bzr?
[21:18] <yofel> hm
[21:19] <yofel> you need to have bzr configured to use the right account name, did you run 'bzr whoami' ?
[21:19] <mparillo> I did a bzr launchpad-login marco-parillo
[21:19] <mparillo> which is my launchpad id.
[21:21] <mparillo> Can I make the bzr whoami point to my launchpad id instread of a generic name and e-mail?
[21:21] <yofel> hm, no, that should be like that I think
[21:23] <yofel> not sure what's wrong then, maybe try #bzr or #launchpad
[22:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do we need that done immediately? I would like to take care of that tomorrow if possible, I'm tired.
[22:04] <Quintasan> More line, in ten hours or so
[22:11] <Quintasan> Darkwing: This picture on Facebook, brilliant :D
[22:43] <yofel> heh


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