[01:36] <accu> then, in .../share/xmodmap only the *ibm modmaps have this 66->control mapping.. setting another modmap doesn fix the problem however
[01:37] <Firetech> hmm
[01:37] <nico8481> lo
[01:37] <Firetech> my kde is seriously b0rked...  it doesn't find the crystal svg theme
[01:37] <Firetech> it still is in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg, but kde doesn't want to find it
[01:38] <accu> Firetech: maybe remove then install ?
[01:38] <Firetech> remove what?
[01:38] <accu> the crystalsvg theme
[01:38] <Firetech> what package contains crystalsvg?
[01:38] <accu> hm
[01:39] <accu> good question
[01:41] <accu> kdebase-data seems to have the largest part of it
[01:41] <Tommy2k4> hmm i used the autostart to make opera and kopete open on boot up and on boot it gives the error that they have no type= :s
[01:42] <chavo> Tommy2k4, did you ame .desktop files or copy them there?
[01:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: still here?
[01:43] <giuseppe> ciao
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: sort of
[01:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ciao
[01:43] <giuseppe> come posso fare per mettere msn su kubuntu
[01:43] <Tommy2k4> i didnt even know i was meant to do something with the files
[01:43] <Tommy2k4> it just asks what command to use
[01:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: :) what did you mean with sufficiently well?
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: you mean  performances?
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> giuseppe: ? kopet
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> e
[01:44] <Firetech> could someopne please paste his/her kcrystalsvg index.theme file? (on pastebin) mine has disappeared...
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> giuseppe: sudo apt-get install kopete
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> giuseppe: anche se dovrebbe essere gi installato
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> giuseppe: scrivi kopete nella box che appare premendo ALT+F2
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Firetech: gimme a sec
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Running quickly and I would say useably fast maybe you could get the source from a debian repository of someone who keeps upto date stuff and compile it with -sse
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what's sse?
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> Multimedia instructions in p3 and athlon xp and greater
[01:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: oh, i thaught it was completely usable... instead as far as you are saying on laptops is practically impossible to see it working properly
[01:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Firetech: sorry, can't find kcrystalsvg
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Its alpha software and hence if you are using it you should be testing the latest version (I think - no point in reporting bugs if they have already been fixed)
[01:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> giuseppe: risolto il problema?
[01:47] <Firetech> Tallia1Kubuntu: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/index.theme
[01:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> giuseppe: comunque.. considera l'esistenza di #ubuntu-it :) qui ti insultano se parli in italiano.
[01:47] <giuseppe> ok adesso ci provo grazie mille
[01:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> de nada, ciao
[01:47] <Tommy2k4> chavo what am i supposed to do with these .desktop files
[01:48] <bayer> i have a little problem with sound - after every reboot, i have to re-configure xmms(alsa) to use the correct output device (and the correct parameters)
[01:48] <zorgluuu> q. im upgrading a kubuntu 6.04 to 6.06, 'full upgrade' in adept. it download a lot, starting to install package. now it is stuck in 'setting flash plugin-nonfree' i looked at the 'details' terminal, it doesnt ask any question or anything. any suggestion ?
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: It is not impossible to see it working properly - try the kororaa live cd and you will see it working properly (then maybe work out what they did and do it yourself)
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: yeah, but on a laptop and with kubuntu.. don't think it will be fast enough
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> What video card ?
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i will try anyway, and i will let you know.. it's a laptop of a friend of mine
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> a VAIO, with 128MB ram
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> of video card, an nvidia, can't remember the model.... but he just bought the notebook
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> Check the video card type in the xgl card compatibility thing (if its nvidia you may be in look - 128mb of video ram ?
[01:50] <bayer> anyone?
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: yeah
[01:51] <zorgluuu> adept put aside, what are the other apps to upgrade packages ?
[01:52] <zorgluuu> i did ctrl-c in the adept 'details' terminal and adept went down :)
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> TalliaKubuntu: http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=389 - the best repositories are those - then try getting kde working with it from a ubuntu guide (you could rebuild the source with -sse)
[01:53] <zorgluuu> damn dpkg --configure -a is stuck too on Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3) ...
[01:53] <zorgluuu> did ctrl-c again and this time dpkg goes on :)
[01:54] <giuseppe> nn va come mai
[01:54] <zorgluuu> is there a way i could remove this flashplugin-nonfree ?
[01:54] <Tommy2k4> in session manager it says on login i can load a manually saved session, where do i go to save a session?
[01:55] <serenity> hi
[01:55] <serenity> is anyone of you using manDVD?
[01:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ssh
[01:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[01:56] <zorgluuu> !flshplugin
[01:56] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, zorgluuu
[01:56] <zorgluuu> !flashplugin
[01:56] <ubotu> zorgluuu: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:56] <zorgluuu> ok
[01:57] <giuseppe> tallia nn va inpossibile eseguire il comando specificato
[01:57] <giuseppe> ke posso fare mi butto dal balcone
[01:57] <zorgluuu> giuseppe, in english it would help :)
[01:58] <[Surge] > How do I set the default view for konqueror for automount devices? It keeps opening them in icon view which is getting really annoying. Default folders work fine (tree view)
[01:58] <zorgluuu> giuseppe, or in #kubuntu-es
[01:59] <square_head> Hi there.
[01:59] <square_head> I changed the date and now I can't sudo anymore
[01:59] <square_head> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jun 17 17:05:59 2006
[02:00] <zorgluuu> square_head, easy solution, reboot
[02:00] <Tommy2k4> im sure yesterday ctrl +f4 used to minimize everything but now it doesnt o_o
[02:01] <accu> no today that's ctrl-f5
[02:01] <accu> guess what tomorrow will bring
[02:01] <ubuntu> linux noob here thinking about switching distros ubuntu looks pretty easy for beginners
[02:01] <square_head> zorgluuu, but I know my root password can't I do something without rebooting :P ?
[02:01] <Tommy2k4> yea it is
[02:01] <ubuntu> im running suse 10.1 now
[02:01] <zorgluuu> square_head, yep but it is much harder
[02:02] <Tommy2k4> is ubuntu as good as xp about usb drives so i can unplug it at any time without risking losing data
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> Tommy2k4: No you shouldn't do that in xp either
[02:04] <[Surge] > Tommy2k4: I've had no problems. Unplugging the drive while you're copying files is a bad idea though! :)
[02:05] <Tommy2k4> well id never do it while files are in use lol
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> Tommy2k4: I will give you an example - copying files to a usb mp3 player unless you unmount it all the files will not actually be on the disk even the copy will have appeared to finish
[02:05] <slow-motion> bbl
[02:06] <square_head> "There are about two thousand software developers in Windows today."
[02:06] <square_head> omfgf
[02:06] <square_head> http://blogs.msdn.com/philipsu/archive/2006/06/14/631438.aspx
[02:06] <Tommy2k4> why is that
[02:06] <Tommy2k4> xp has never had that problem
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> usb devices are mounted async I think that is the reason
[02:07] <Tommy2k4> k
[02:07] <h3sp4wn> I ended up with when ever you got thru a quarter of a song it changed back to what was on there previously (only once though)
[02:08] <slow-motion> re
[02:08] <[Surge] > Tommy2k4: Anyway it's not much work to "Safetly Remove" in kubuntu and whatever it's called in XP.
[02:09] <Tommy2k4> i know im sure ill get used to it
[02:09] <Tommy2k4> i used to use win2k on this pc and you have to safely remove it on there aswell
[02:09] <Tommy2k4> not xp though
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> You can set amarok 1.4 to mount and unmount the thing for you and hence do a sync
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> You are supposed to do it with xp
[02:10] <Tommy2k4> need to make it auto mount the usb drive now when i plug it in
[02:11] <Tommy2k4> would i use fstab for that
[02:11] <slidehack> Hello .......... I have a problem and my english is not very good ....... please speek someone Roamnian
[02:11] <slidehack> pls pls pls
[02:12] <Tommy2k4> your english doesnt seem that bad
[02:12] <slidehack> ooooo thank you ........ but i know english for mee ....... I have one problem with Apache
[02:13] <Tommy2k4> i dunno anything about apache
[02:13] <slidehack> when i put the html filles into /var/www/   and i start apache it is show me the index and i want to start in first page
[02:13] <slidehack> can help me someone ?
[02:14] <DeadS0ul> slidehack: what're you trying to do?
[02:14] <DeadS0ul> brb,
[02:14] <DeadS0ul> i'm gonna draw a tattoo on my nephews arm
[02:14] <slidehack> an site
[02:14] <square_head> back with some other questions
[02:14] <square_head> How can I reset Kwallet's password?
[02:14] <slidehack> in few days I will make an name for my IP and i wil have an ftp and apache
[02:15] <square_head> How can I modify when I press CTRL + BACKSPACE to dont exit X :|
[02:17] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... slidehack didn't stay long enough for an answer.
[02:18] <DeadS0ul> I drew a 'MOM' with a heart aroudn it on my 1 1/2 year old nephew
[02:28] <Leqtic> Can someone help me with Kismet :/ ?
[02:28] <Tommy2k4> Is there a way to change the system menu so that when I click on storage media it takes me to /media/ not storage:/media
[02:28] <Tommy2k4> i mean system:/media
[02:28] <uniq> leqtic: what's the problem?
[02:28] <Leqtic> Tommy2k4:  Create ur own
[02:28] <jme__> cest quoi kismet ?
[02:28] <Tommy2k4> how do i edit the system menu
[02:28] <Leqtic> uniq:  I can't make it funciton correctly
[02:28] <jme__> sorrry, what is kismet
[02:28] <Leqtic> It won't start and I have read the readme.
[02:29] <jme__> (several channels in multiple language is hard sometime :)
[02:29] <Leqtic> jme__:   apt-get kismet :)
[02:29] <uniq> jme__: it's a wireless-network scanner thing.
[02:29] <jme__> uniq: ok thanks
[02:29] <Leqtic> Tommy2k4:  right click and make a new shortcut to /media/
[02:29] <Leqtic> I love Linux, I really do, but does it have to be so hard to get some applikation to work :/
[02:29] <Leqtic> applications*
[02:30] <Leqtic> uniq:  Will you help me ?
[02:30] <uniq> leqtic: what's the error message? what wlan card do you have? what driver does it use?
[02:30] <Leqtic> I don't know what driver it use but I know it's a ra0
[02:30] <Leqtic> RAlink 2500/2600
[02:30] <uniq> ok, rt2500 probably then.
[02:30] <DeadS0ul> Leqtic it's free software, and not used that much, ...they take a while to get right =\
[02:31] <Leqtic> DeadS0ul: ah you changed ur nickname :)
[02:31] <Leqtic> uniq:  okay, so i go to /usr/etc/kismet.conf ?
[02:31] <Leqtic> uniq:  and change there.
[02:31] <Tommy2k4> Leqtic: right click on the menu?
[02:31] <Leqtic> Tommy2k4:  first do it on the desktop then move it
[02:31] <DeadS0ul> I did?
[02:31] <DeadS0ul> must
[02:31] <DeadS0ul> must've reconnected
[02:32] <Leqtic> uniq: media:/sda5/etc/kismet
[02:32] <Leqtic> uniq:  will u help me tell me what to change there and what to write.
[02:32] <uniq> leqtic: yes, edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf, find the source= line, and set it to: 'source=rt2500,ra0,wifi'
[02:33] <jme__> be gratefull guys he does it for free
[02:33] <Tommy2k4> k i have the shortcut on the desktop
[02:33] <uniq> thanks jme__ :)
[02:33] <n3storm> hi everyone
[02:34] <jme__> uniq: serious you even do step by step on very specific stuff like configuring a given wifi card :)
[02:34] <Leqtic> uniq:  thanks
[02:34] <Leqtic> # YOU MUST CHANGE THIS TO BE THE SOURCE YOU WANT TO USE
[02:34] <Leqtic> source=rt2500,ra0,wifi
[02:34] <jme__> thanks to you :)
[02:34] <Leqtic> thank you uniq, gonna see if it works :D
[02:34] <Leqtic> I LOVE LINUX :D (once again)
[02:35] <square_head> I love linux too :P
[02:35] <Leqtic> HELL YEAH
[02:35] <Leqtic> IT OWRKS
[02:35] <Leqtic> sorry caps
[02:35] <Leqtic> :D
[02:35] <uniq> great :)
[02:37] <DeadS0ul> hah
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> Leqtic: Are you using wpa2 on your rt2500 ?
[02:39] <Leqtic> h3sp4wn:  ?
[02:39] <Leqtic> Im not using my wireless to surf atm.
[02:39] <Leqtic> wpa2 is an encryption right?
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[02:39] <Tommy2k4> how do i rm a directory
[02:39] <Leqtic> Im mainly gonna have it as a protection, as you see some neighbour has taken photos at our "fence".. and reported them to the governement cuz they are too tall, and u need permission.
[02:39] <chavo> Tommy2k4, rm -r
[02:39] <Leqtic> Therefore, im gonna keep a lookout for the coward pathetic lowlife that took the photos
[02:40] <Tommy2k4> ty
[02:41] <Leqtic> uniq:
[02:41] <Leqtic> does kismet save anything on ur harddrive?
[02:41] <Leqtic> like logs or stuff, need to remove them.
[02:42] <I_Died_Once> Hi people
[02:42] <I_Died_Once> I'm experiencing a weird problem
[02:43] <I_Died_Once> A program has my packaging database system locked
[02:43] <uniq> leqtic: yes, it logs everything to /var/log/kismet/
[02:43] <Leqtic> thanks uniq :)
[02:43] <I_Died_Once> I've tried rebooting and i get the same message that the database is in use by another program
[02:44] <I_Died_Once> apt-get is not running, nor is synaptic
[02:44] <uniq> leqtic: you might also want to use 'shred' to delete them, if you want to delete them securely.
[02:44] <Leqtic> uniq:  nah
[02:44] <Leqtic> just remove them so they won't take space :=)
[02:44] <I_Died_Once> or anything else, but when i try to run adept, it still tells me the database is locked
[02:44] <Leqtic> got linux on a small partition..
[02:44] <I_Died_Once> is there a way to find out which program is using it?
[02:45] <uniq> leqtic: ah, ok :)
[02:45] <I_Died_Once> using Ksysguard, there is no apt-get running, or adept, or synaptic
[02:45] <I_Died_Once> but i need to install programs, and this database is locked
[02:45] <I_Died_Once> any ideas?
[02:46] <uniq> i_died_once: start konsole from the menu. and run this command' fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[02:46] <uniq> i_died_once: i forgot to add sudo, the command is 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[02:46] <I_Died_Once> did nothing
[02:47] <I_Died_Once> or, did that unlock my database?
[02:47] <uniq> maybe, try 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:47] <I_Died_Once> nope, still locked
[02:47] <Tommy2k4> how do i use kcontrol autostart
[02:47] <visik7> kubuntu ubiquity is bugged
[02:48] <visik7> it support the half of the fs of ubuntu ubiquityh
[02:48] <visik7> and crash frequently
[02:48] <I_Died_Once> yeah, but I hate gnome
[02:48] <uniq> i_died_once: ok, try: 'sudo fuser -vk /var/lib/dpkg/lock' (this time without the -i)
[02:48] <I_Died_Once> not NEARLY as configurable
[02:48] <visik7> I_Died_Once: me too
[02:48] <visik7> I_Died_Once: infact I'm trying the alternate cd
[02:51] <uniq> i_died_once: if anything at all is using the dpkg database, the first command i gave you should ask you if you want to kill it. If it doesn't ask for anything nothing is using the dpkg database.
[02:52] <I_Died_Once> that first command
[02:52] <uniq> i_died_once: if you could paste the error message you get if you try 'sudo apt-get update' on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com that would be helpful for me to help you solve your problem.
[02:52] <I_Died_Once> sudo  fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:52] <Adam_eM> hi there
[02:52] <I_Died_Once> does nothing, just brings me back to the prompt
[02:53] <Adam_eM> i just wanted to install some packages, but synaptic freezed during install so i terminated it. Now it says i should do dpkg --configure -a but it doesnt worl as well
[02:54] <uniq> adam_em: in konsole try the command 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', if it gives an error message, please paste it to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:55] <I_Died_Once> not sure what exactly did it, but its unlocked now
[02:55] <I_Died_Once> woot
[02:55] <I_Died_Once> thx uniq
[02:55] <I_Died_Once> et all
[02:55] <uniq> i_died_once: the command did it, save it to a notes.txt for later use :)
[02:56] <I_Died_Once> ...and I see it was the Ksetiathome package
[02:56] <Adam_eM> uniq: it only says 'configuring flashplugin-nonfree...' but it takes ages, and nothing actually happens
[02:57] <I_Died_Once> it was trying to resolve a connection to the seti at home site
[02:57] <uniq> adam_em: just wait some minutes.
[02:58] <Adam_eM> uniq: are you sure it does anything ? My harddrive's led doesn't even blinks
[02:59] <jonatan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15856 <-- Any sugestions ?
[02:59] <uniq> adam_em: not sure, but if you stop it you won't get anywhere closer to a solution. It must be configured.
[03:00] <Adam_eM> ok i'll wait then
[03:00] <uniq> jonatan: what driver is this? fglrx?
[03:01] <jonatan> uniq, nvidia
[03:01] <jonatan> nv works, nvidia gives the above
[03:01] <jonatan> uniq: it all worked fine until last friday's update
[03:01] <jonatan> uniq: that is, yesterday
[03:02] <uniq> jonatan: it's looking for a kernel module that's not loaded... I'm on ati so i would have to search the web.. just hang on.
[03:02] <slow-motion> re
[03:05] <uniq> jonatan: do you use the nvidia-glx driver, or the nvidia-glx-legacy driver?
[03:05] <jonatan> uniq: nvidia-glx
[03:06] <uniq> jonatan: please run this in console: 'dmesg|grep -n nvrm'
[03:06] <jonatan> uniq: ok, hang on
[03:06] <jonatan> uniq: no output
[03:06] <uniq> do you get something like "NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module.."
[03:06] <jonatan> nope
[03:06] <jonatan> nothing it appears
[03:07] <jonatan> it seems to exit cleanly as far as I can tell
[03:07] <uniq> ok, try 'sudo modprobe nvidia'
[03:08] <uniq> and then 'dmesg|grep -n nvrm'
[03:08] <jonatan> uniq: FATAL module nvidia not found
[03:08] <uniq> ah. ok.
[03:09] <jonatan> the package is installed tho : /
[03:10] <pmyteh> I've just installed kubuntu on top of my existing ubuntu installation and I'm having trouble with my KDE display settings - can anyone offer any advice?
[03:12] <accu> jonatan: try sudo depmod -a
[03:12] <pmyteh> I seem to have got a 1024x768 display, but a much larger desktop - and I can't find anything in the control panel to reconfigure.
[03:12] <jonatan> accu no output
[03:12] <uniq> jonatan: do you have the latest linux-restricted-modules installed?
[03:13] <accu> thats ok. now try sudo modprobe nvidia
[03:13] <jonatan> uniq: uhm, I dunno
[03:13] <uniq> jonatan: you could also try 'dpkg -S nvidia.ko'
[03:13] <uniq> to check if you have the nvidia module available at all.
[03:14] <jonatan> ok thats doing /something/
[03:14] <jonatan> uhm, ok
[03:14] <jonatan> *nvidia.ko* not found
[03:14] <jonatan> I take it thats bad then ...
[03:14] <uniq> no module named nvidia then.
[03:15] <uniq> try to install linux-restricted-modules-386 if you have a 386 kernel.
[03:15] <jonatan> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[03:15] <uniq> I have to go now, going out for pizza with the family. See you guys.
[03:15] <jonatan> ok, thanks for the help
[03:16] <uniq> do you have the restricted repositories enabled?
[03:16] <uniq> 'apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules' pick the one that matches your kernel.
[03:16] <uniq> really have to go now, bye.
[03:16] <jonatan> bye
[03:17] <Tommy2k4> !opers
[03:17] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tommy2k4
[03:17] <Tommy2k4> !opera
[03:17] <ubotu> download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ (breezy) or http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-284/intel-linux/ (dapper) to install see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[03:17] <jonatan> oh ok, THAT woudl explain it
[03:18] <jonatan> I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 but runing 2.6.15-25-386
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> how do i install a .deb
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> i really need to stop forgetting these basic commands :(
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> !deb
[03:21] <Doat> can i make it so that konsole makes links from urls? (for irssi)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg -i nameofdeb.dev
[03:22] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg -i nameofdeb.deb
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> got it :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> i also need to stop forgetting to end the program before upgrading it >_<
[03:24] <Tommy2k4> ** (process:7013): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[03:24] <Tommy2k4> whats that mean?
[03:27] <n3storm> hi jpatrick
[03:27] <jpatrick> hi n3storm
[03:28] <tadas> hello
[03:29] <Tommy2k4> help i get an error when installing a .deb :'(
[03:29] <tadas> has anyone running kubuntu on ASUS ?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: pastebin the error
[03:29] <Tommy2k4> just 1 line
[03:29] <Tommy2k4> ** (process:7013): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[03:30] <charlie5> hulloo ... is there any advantage in installing from source packages rather than the binary ones ?
[03:30] <tadas> faster and customizing
[03:30] <Hobbsee> charlie5: no
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: ack.  which deb was that?
[03:30] <Tommy2k4> latest opera daily
[03:31] <ctothej> Imagery: looking to buy a printer/scanner, is there a specific brand that is most compatible with linux? how is the lexmark support?
[03:31] <tadas> how do enable or disable my touchpad with ksynaptics?
[03:31] <Tommy2k4> opera-static_9.0-20060616.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[03:31] <tadas> currently it doesnt work.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: did it actually fail, or just spit that out?
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> spat that out then nothing else
[03:32] <charlie5> so if i have a pentium iv, it would prob be better to use source packages for better performance ?
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> maybe i should check if it actually upgraded :p
[03:32] <tadas> if u like compiling - yes
[03:32] <Hobbsee> charlie5: not really - it takes so long to compile anyway
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> ooh silly me it still upgraded :p
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> i guess i should just ignore the error
[03:33] <Hobbsee> charlie5: were you using the 686 kernel?
[03:34] <charlie5> Hobbsee: just the vanilla kernel at the moment ... i was thinking of getting the i686 SMP kernel, or maybe trying to compile my own kernel (*shudder* ;)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> charlie5: the linux-image-686 is compiled for performance for p4 etc systems
[03:37] <charlie5> Hobbsee: i'll give it shot, for sure
[03:37] <charlie5> <it a shot>
[03:39] <Imagery> ctothej: why are you asking me?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> charlie5: cool :)
[03:48] <Tommy2k4> my desktop and kopete have sorta froze :s
[03:51] <Child4Christ> hi :)
[03:51] <Tommy2k4> can i change icon of .desktop files
[03:51] <Tommy2k4> nvm found it
[03:51] <Child4Christ> i know you can change the engine in amaroK just not sure how, anyone know how to?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: killall kdesktop
[03:52] <Tommy2k4> Child4Christ:  configure > engine
[03:52] <Child4Christ> yea i did that but the only selectable one is xine an that one freaks out
[03:55] <I_Died_Once> this looks like one of the better distro chats
[03:55] <I_Died_Once> i had problems on suse, and again on mandrake... and all the help you could get was "read the documentation"
[03:56] <I_Died_Once> "read the docs!" "read the FAQ" and that was all they'd say
[03:56] <abattoir> Child4Christ: you need to install other engines
[03:56] <I_Died_Once> you guys are great
[03:56] <Child4Christ> yea but umm, how?
[03:56] <abattoir> Child4Christ: open up adept
[03:56] <Child4Christ> my eyes bled readin the site but it didnt tell you how to install another engine :(
[03:56] <I_Died_Once> I can anaswer the amarok one!
[03:56] <Child4Christ> i can only use apt-get
[03:56] <Hobbsee> I_Died_Once: well, sometimes that is the answer :P
[03:57] <abattoir> Child4Christ: type amarok in the search bar, you should see the engine options
[03:57] <Child4Christ> logged in remotely to my box at home
[03:57] <I_Died_Once> ok child4christ... from amarok
[03:57] <Hobbsee> I_Died_Once: for some of the really simple stuff, anyway
[03:57] <I_Died_Once> click on settings, then to configure amarok
[03:57] <I_Died_Once> that shouldopen a new little window
[03:57] <abattoir> Child4Christ: one sec, i'll tell you the exact package names
[03:58] <I_Died_Once> on the left panel in that new window, click on engines
[03:58] <I_Died_Once> there should be a drop down menu and it should be there
[03:58] <I_Died_Once> if not.... close amarok, exit out... then open up adept
[03:58] <I_Died_Once> type in amarok in the search and install all the packages it gives you
[03:59] <abattoir> Child4Christ: depending on the amarok release, other engines may or may not be available.
[03:59] <I_Died_Once> once thats done, go back to amarok and the engines should be there
[03:59] <Child4Christ> its 1.4 or 14 :)
[03:59] <abattoir> Child4Christ: try 'apt-get'ting amarok-gstreamer or amarok-helix
[04:00] <abattoir> Child4Christ: amarok-arts too
[04:00] <I_Died_Once> Chris Tucker: You were great in "Rush Hour"
[04:00] <Child4Christ> arts has broken packages
[04:01] <I_Died_Once> I can't say enought good stuff about the xine engine for amarok
[04:01] <Child4Christ> xine is what freaks out
[04:02] <Child4Christ> it says it cant initialise audio-devices but happily contines playin till you click ok or w/e on one of the multiple erro boxes for the same thing then amarok dies :|
[04:02] <Child4Christ> *error
[04:02] <I_Died_Once> open up a terminal and run "xine-check"
[04:02] <I_Died_Once> but without the quotes
[04:03] <abattoir> Child4Christ: afaik, only xine and arts engine packages are available in the official repos...
[04:03] <abattoir> Child4Christ: for gstreamer, helix, i think you should compile yourself
[04:04] <I_Died_Once> and since you're a child for christ, and using amarok... I'm looking for some older "Carman" and Petra mp3's
[04:06] <Child4Christ> you like carman?
[04:07] <Child4Christ> they're usually played on the radios :)
[04:07] <Child4Christ> gtg though thx for the help, cyas in a bit :)
[04:07] <I_Died_Once> not the older stuff
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> hm i only have 3mb ram free
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> does linux apps try to use as much ram is possible?
[04:11] <N30PsYcH-e> hello
[04:11] <N30PsYcH-e> anyone home?
[04:12] <itay> Does some one know a way to lunch a specific script befor kicker?
[04:13] <itay> *someone
[04:13] <itay> *before
[04:13] <n30> can someone please help me
[04:14] <itay> what is your problem dpkg_ / n30?
[04:14] <n30> I used caps in ubuntu - not knowing i would be banned
[04:14] <n30> (was just glad my prob was solved so sent shoutts out to people who helped me and got banned for using caps)
[04:14] <itay> what is it "caps" ?
[04:15] <raphink> you better talk to seveas then n30
[04:15] <n30> capital letters
[04:15] <itay> oh
[04:15] <n30> hmm
[04:16] <itay> I don't think you were banned
[04:16] <n30> I am
[04:16] <itay> n30
[04:16] <n30> it says
[04:16] <n30> you are banned from ubuntu
[04:16] <n30> You are banned from this channel.
[04:16] <itay> you mean ubuntu #channel right ?
[04:16] <raphink> n30: talk to seveas
[04:16] <raphink> :p
[04:16] <n30> yes
[04:16] <n30> i sent a mesage to seveas
[04:16] <n30> no reply
[04:16] <raphink> are you identified on the network?
[04:17] <n30> yes
[04:17] <itay> I don't know n30
[04:17] <raphink> n30 then wait
[04:18] <itay> what irc client do u use n3o ?
[04:18] <n3o> im using chatzilla
[04:18] <n3o> well
[04:18] <JavaByte> hey
[04:18] <itay> hey JavaByte
[04:19] <coreymon77> hi everybody
[04:19] <coreymon77> i got a question
[04:19] <neopsyche> so can anyone here help me with my problem?
[04:20] <[Surge] > Tommy2k4: Yes the kernel uses as much as possible but most of it will probably be cached data.
[04:20] <itay> Does someone know how to lunch a program before kicker ?
[04:20] <coreymon77> everytime i start up kubuntu i have to type sudo iwconfig ra0 essid cohens key 1a1e28f24d to get my internet to work
[04:21] <neopsyche> I cant seem to get through
[04:21] <neopsyche> to seveas
[04:21] <[Surge] > Tommy2k4: If you do a "free" you'll see where the memory is being used.
[04:21] <coreymon77> anyone know how i could get t hat command ti run automatically on boot
[04:21] <neopsyche> I dont know how this server works
[04:21] <JavaByte> i'm on a live CD atm as my install is forked - i updated yesterday (full update - 50  packages) and now i get no KDE - sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg give me "xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed"
[04:21] <JavaByte> what can i do?
[04:21] <neopsyche> can anyone unban me from ubuntu?
[04:21] <neopsyche> or can someone here help me with my linux problem?
[04:21] <neopsyche> I installed ubuntu on my old p1
[04:22] <coreymon77> guys
[04:22] <coreymon77> anyone know what i could do
[04:22] <neopsyche> but when i installed it had no mouse attatched
[04:22] <neopsyche> so now the mouse isnt working when i plugged it in
[04:22] <neopsyche> can anyone unban me from ubuntu?
[04:22] <JavaByte> coreymon77: is that to authenticate on a wireless sever
[04:22] <neopsyche> no response from seveas
[04:23] <[Surge] > neopsyche: Bans are normally temporary - what was the ban message?
[04:23] <neopsyche> You are banned from this channel.
[04:23] <Tommy2k4>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:23] <Tommy2k4> Mem:        255156     253076       2080          0       1196      73416
[04:23] <neopsyche> (for using caps)
[04:23] <Tommy2k4> so do i technically have 75mb free if needed
[04:24] <coreymon77> javabyte: yes it is
[04:24] <[Surge] > Tommy2k4: Yes - it'll use the cached RAMif it needs it.
[04:24] <coreymon77> Javabyte: all i want is for that command to run automatically on boot
[04:24] <Tommy2k4> kk
[04:25] <coreymon77> javabyte: how would i do that
[04:25] <JavaByte> you should be able to set it up in a network profile
[04:26] <JavaByte> system settings - network settings - network profiles - create new
[04:27] <neopsyche> can anyone help me set up my mouse?
[04:27] <neopsyche> it seems it wasnt installed
[04:27] <neopsyche> when i did the installation
[04:28] <neopsyche> the mouse was removed
[04:28] <neopsyche> I thought i could add it later
[04:28] <neopsyche> it doesnt seem to be working now
[04:28] <neopsyche> what do i have to do to get it working
[04:28] <neopsyche> anyone have any ideas?
[04:29] <neopsyche> im in shell at the moment
[04:29] <neopsyche> very new to linux
[04:31] <JavaByte> neopsyche: goto system settings - mouse
[04:31] <JavaByte> what do you see there?
[04:31] <coreymon77> JavaByte: what do i do
[04:33] <JavaByte> coreymon77: create a new profile call it default - then create another and call it test
[04:33] <coreymon77> ?
[04:35] <JavaByte> so that you can safely change settings
[04:35] <coreymon77> how do i do that
[04:35] <coreymon77> i have my default account
[04:35] <coreymon77> coreymon
[04:35] <coreymon77> that i am using right now
[04:35] <coreymon77> that i signed into
[04:35] <JavaByte> nm - i gotta go
[04:35] <coreymon77> f**ck
[04:35] <raphink> sudo adduser default
[04:35] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: what happened?
[04:35] <soulrider> hi everyone
[04:35] <raphink> will create an account for user "default"
[04:36] <soulrider> uhm i need to help
[04:36] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: in order to authenticate my wireless
[04:36] <soulrider> yesterday i decided to get kubuntu
[04:36] <soulrider> but i wanna run it live, and not install it just yet
[04:37] <soulrider> i booted form the CD, but i dont have a live option, only install
[04:37] <coreymon77> i have to type in iwconfig ra0 essid cohens key 1a1e28f24d every time i boot in order to get my internet working
[04:37] <raphink> soulrider: sorry???
[04:37] <Hobbsee> soulrider: did you download the cd, or the install cd?
[04:37] <soulrider> the CD i think :-/
[04:37] <coreymon77> what i want is for that to be exectued on boot
[04:37] <raphink> soulrider: are you using the kubuntu 6.06 desktop CD?
[04:37] <soulrider> hang on
[04:37] <soulrider> let me get the label
[04:37] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: you should be able to specify that in /etc/network/interfaces - and if that's your keyID, you may now want to change it
[04:38] <soulrider> what i got was this kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[04:38] <raphink> soulrider: this is not the one you want
[04:38] <raphink> you want the desktop iso
[04:38] <soulrider> oh >.<
[04:38] <soulrider> what i got was the installer?
[04:39] <raphink> you got the text installer
[04:39] <raphink> the desktop CD is both live and installer
[04:39] <soulrider> whoch is even worse... right?
[04:39] <soulrider> oh
[04:39] <soulrider> duh
[04:39] <soulrider> im sucha  tard.
[04:39] <soulrider> i must have chosen the wrong torrent
[04:39] <coreymon77> hobbsee: how would i do that
[04:39] <raphink> soulrider: right
[04:40] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: have a look at how they've done it in man interfaces
[04:40] <raphink> soulrider: you can download from the website directly, too
[04:40] <soulrider> so what i want is  kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso     right?
[04:40] <raphink> yes
[04:40] <soulrider> yea, but isnt BT more friendly?
[04:40] <soulrider> since they wont have to pay for the bandwith
[04:40] <raphink> sure
[04:41] <coreymon77> hobbsee: how do i get to it, through control center
[04:41] <coreymon77> >
[04:41] <soulrider> ill use torrent hten :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: through a konsole
[04:41] <kkathman> greetings, Hobbsee
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman
[04:41] <coreymon77> what do i trype
[04:41] <coreymon77> type*
[04:41] <soulrider> oh well, im gonna go ahve lunch
[04:41] <soulrider> bye bye!
[04:41] <soulrider> ^^
[04:44] <pcfan> does someone know how to launch a program before kicker at kde boot ?
[04:44] <coreymon77> can i get java runtime environment through apt?
[04:45] <pcfan> coreymon77: search java runtime in synaptic or whatever in package's descriptions
[04:46] <pcfan> does someone know how to launch a program before kicker at kde boot ?
[04:46] <pcfan> exit
[04:46] <coreymon77> how can i install multiple things with apt (console) at once?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: sudo apt-get install package1 package 2 blah blah blah
[04:47] <linuxmonkey> whats new Hobbsee
[04:47] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: not a lot, looking at some bug reports, looking for some to kill off...
[04:47] <linuxmonkey> cool
[04:49] <Hobbsee> sheehs, that's one heck of a lot of bugs.
[04:56] <Raven301> How do I set Firefox as my default browser?  When I click on a link Konqueror  keeps coming up
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !tell gilligan_ about packagingguide
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Raven301: system settings, kde components
[04:57] <Raven301> Hobbsee:  thank you very much
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Raven301: not a problem
[05:02] <VincentMX> yo
[05:03] <VincentMX> i'm trying to watch some small movies, but i cannot play movies in Konqueror, firefox, or mozilla-browser, even after installing mozilla-mplayer
[05:04] <VincentMX> or do i need to logout&login again to make mozilla-mplayer work?
[05:06] <piphoe`> hey guys wats a good program for transferring files btw my kubuntu box & my xp box ??
[05:06] <linuxmonkey> piphoe`: FTP
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> smbmount lets you mount an xp share (you need to install smbfs first)
[05:07] <VincentMX> yes
[05:07] <VincentMX> or ftp server
[05:08] <Tommy2k4> VincentMX: you need the mplayerplug-in aswell as mplayer
[05:08] <VincentMX> install filezilla on xp, and download all files from your xp b0x to your |_1|\|uX b0x
[05:08] <VincentMX> ok
[05:08] <VincentMX> thx
[05:08] <VincentMX> i have mplayer
[05:08] <piphoe`> smbfs? ok... and which program should i use in xp ?
[05:08] <piphoe`> ahh ok
[05:08] <piphoe`> good
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> ncftp is a better ftp client and available in both xp and linux
[05:09] <piphoe`> ncftp interesting
[05:09] <Tommy2k4> what do people use, xchat or konversation
[05:09] <VincentMX> yes, but filezilla is a good win32 server
[05:09] <VincentMX> i prefer xchat
[05:09] <slow-motion> http://static.flickr.com/64/167011569_837bc20969_b.jpg
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> Gui ftp servers seem a little pointless
[05:10] <VincentMX> true
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> You may as well just use the one in IIS
[05:10] <VincentMX> but people who use win32 are often too stupid for cli
[05:10] <Chris_Tucker> NO
[05:10] <Chris_Tucker> NO
[05:10] <piphoe`> does filezilla cum in both linux & windows ?
[05:10] <Chris_Tucker> NEVER IIS
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> Chris_Tucker: If you set it up properly it can be secure
[05:11] <VincentMX> piphoe`: no, you need to download
[05:11] <VincentMX> but if you can, use a cli program
[05:11] <Chris_Tucker> i despise IIS so much the letters stuck out like not a sore thumb, but a missing one!
[05:11] <VincentMX> w00t
[05:13] <VincentMX> hmm
[05:13] <VincentMX> nevermind about mozilla-mplayer
[05:14] <VincentMX> i'm trying to watch less pr0n anyway
[05:15] <VincentMX> w00t! wanadoo will become Orange
[05:16] <VincentMX> so my hostmask will change, and i won' t be banned from any channel anymore
[05:16] <VincentMX> then i can be annoying again, in #windows on EFnet
[05:17] <VincentMX> it' s great fun getting those pissed
[05:18] <VincentMX> some old jokes can still make them angry, like saying you downloaded a game, but it said it needed windows xp or better, so you installed linux
[05:18] <VincentMX> maked them very pissed last time i tried
[05:18] <VincentMX> :)
[05:23] <VincentMX> dude
[05:24] <VincentMX> 7|-|1Z b0x 1z S3R10uz|_y t00 sl0w for Kubuntu
[05:24] <piphoe`> VincentMX, yes ! i do the SAME thing ! :))
[05:24] <VincentMX> :)
[05:24] <piphoe`> *huggies*
[05:26] <piphoe`> i've even gotten death threats from BOTH #windows AND #computers
[05:26] <piphoe`> lala
[05:26] <VincentMX> :)
[05:26] <piphoe`> bunch o rednex in those
[05:26] <VincentMX> it' s great fun isn' t it?
[05:26] <piphoe`> yes its wat i was B0rN 4
[05:27] <VincentMX> 1|\||)33|)
[05:27] <piphoe`> another great way to get deaththreats is mentioning Steve Gibson's name in those channels
[05:27] <VincentMX> ok
[05:27] <VincentMX> who' s steve gibson?
[05:27] <coreymon77> guys
[05:28] <coreymon77> i need some more help
[05:28] <coreymon77> my video card
[05:28] <coreymon77> i need it set up
[05:28] <VincentMX> ok
[05:28] <VincentMX> nVidea?
[05:28] <coreymon77> yup
[05:28] <VincentMX> ATI?
[05:28] <VincentMX> ok
[05:28] <VincentMX> nVidea
[05:28] <coreymon77> geforce2 mx
[05:28] <piphoe`> gibson is an asm programmer that criticizes MS security a year BEFORE each new windows version comes out
[05:28] <VincentMX> old one :)
[05:28] <VincentMX> ok
[05:28] <coreymon77> yah
[05:29] <coreymon77> but it still runs chromium bsu and tux racer perfectly
[05:29] <neopsyche> can someone help me set up apache on my system ubuntu
[05:29] <VincentMX> ok
[05:29] <coreymon77> but i do admit: i neede a new one
[05:29] <VincentMX> brb
[05:29] <piphoe`> gibson is teh guy hoo wrote spinrite
[05:29] <coreymon77> they are just so damn expensive
[05:29] <VincentMX> ok
[05:30] <VincentMX> brb
[05:30] <coreymon77> i cant afford the atleast $500 it takes to get a decent one
[05:30] <neopsyche> shouts out thanks ubotu for solving apache problem
[05:30] <piphoe`> gibson is kinda like the Aldous Huxley of computer security
[05:30] <VincentMX> ok
[05:31] <coreymon77> hopefully they will drop in price a bit, since the canadian dollar is rising a lot
[05:31] <VincentMX> ok
[05:31] <VincentMX> i'm looking for you
 ok
[05:31] <VincentMX> driver you need
[05:31] <coreymon77> neopsyche if you want to thank ubotu give him a botsnack (type !botsnack)
[05:31] <coreymon77> ;)
[05:31] <VincentMX> !botsnack
[05:31] <ubotu> thanks vincentmx :)
[05:32] <piphoe`> botsnack??
[05:32] <VincentMX> lol
[05:32] <VincentMX> a snack for a bot
[05:32] <VincentMX> irc bot
[05:32] <piphoe`> ohh haha like in da zoo !
[05:32] <VincentMX> automated script, that gives info and shit loke that
[05:32] <coreymon77> anyways vincent
[05:32] <coreymon77> back to my prob
[05:32] <VincentMX> hmm
[05:32] <VincentMX> it isn' t there anymore
[05:32] <piphoe`> !botsnack
[05:32] <ubotu> :)
[05:33] <piphoe`> :((
[05:33] <coreymon77> ive done this many times before (setting up my card) i just forget what to do
[05:33] <VincentMX> he smiled
[05:33] <piphoe`> ohh!!
[05:33] <piphoe`> !bothuggie
[05:33] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, piphoe`
[05:33] <VincentMX> coreymon77: it ain't thewre no more
[05:33] <piphoe`> i wanna hug botty
[05:33] <coreymon77> ???
[05:33] <VincentMX> the driver
[05:34] <coreymon77> its gotta be somewhere
[05:34] <VincentMX> yes
[05:34] <VincentMX> it used to be in apt repo
[05:34] <coreymon77> we could put it in there
[05:34] <coreymon77> there has gotta be a 3rd party repo
[05:34] <coreymon77> search google
[05:35] <VincentMX> yes
[05:35] <piphoe`> !google bothug
[05:35] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, piphoe`
[05:35] <Tommy2k4> How come XChat won't open a link when I click on it unless I right click on it and go open in Opera
[05:35] <Tommy2k4> Right clicking and going open in browser doesn't work either
[05:36] <coreymon77> vincent: should i search or are you gonna
[05:36] <VincentMX> already have
[05:36] <VincentMX> and found
[05:36] <coreymon77> oh!
[05:36] <VincentMX> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:36] <VincentMX> :)
[05:36] <VincentMX> life can be so simple
[05:37] <VincentMX> :)
[05:37] <VincentMX> piphoe`: it doesn't do alot does it?
[05:37] <piphoe`> :(
[05:37] <coreymon77> i guess i should just replace everytime it says Synaptic with adept
[05:37] <VincentMX> yes
[05:38] <piphoe`> i wanna bot hug so bad i can taste it
[05:38] <VincentMX> piphoe`: join #windows, i'm going to say the gibsone thing
[05:39] <VincentMX> they not responding
[05:40] <bob_in_florence> bif starts now to install kubuntu 6.06 on his computer ...
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> bob_in_florence, it rocks... running it now, just switched 2 days ago
[05:41] <VincentMX> piphoe`: wtf? they ignore me
[05:41] <uniq> vincentmx: please don't coordinate spamming #windows from here. And spamming #windows won't do any good. Respect others please. Thanks.
[05:41] <VincentMX> ok
[05:42] <bob_in_florence> Do I have to reformat also my /home (already bkpd!), if i had previously a non-so-good running kubuntu breezy on my comp?
[05:43] <uniq> bob_in_florence: no. Reformatting /home is not needed.
[05:43] <Chris_Tucker> if its on a diff partition than your /, no
[05:43] <Chris_Tucker> just flag it as /home
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> !yahoo
[05:43] <ubotu> methinks yahoo is You can use Gaim for chatting on the Yahoo network: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[05:44] <coreymon77> is vincent still here
[05:44] <Chris_Tucker> !sucks
[05:44] <ubotu> I guess sucks is a word you should NOT use in #ubuntu
[05:44] <Chris_Tucker> Lol!
[05:44] <Chris_Tucker> no yahoo sucks..
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> !blowme
[05:44] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:44] <uniq> nor #kubuntu please.
[05:44] <VincentMX> coreymon77: yesd
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:44] <Chris_Tucker> uniq, i love kubuntu, yahoo sucks
[05:44] <coreymon77> vincent: how do i know which linux image i am using
[05:45] <niekie> Anyone experienced kbtobexsrv segfaulting when you receive some files via Bluetooth and you click right next to a received file in the received files box?
[05:45] <Chris_Tucker> coreymon77, uname -r
[05:45] <Chris_Tucker> in a command terminal coreymon77
[05:45] <VincentMX> uname -r in konsole
[05:46] <visik7> if I have a complex table partition kubuntu ubiquity crash or mess up the partition table
[05:46] <coreymon77> okay
[05:46] <visik7> comlex = 2 primary and 1 logical
[05:46] <coreymon77> its the 386 one
[05:46] <coreymon77> but which one of those
[05:47] <VincentMX> are you using dapper?
[05:47] <Chris_Tucker> coreymon77, paste the whole line
[05:47] <Chris_Tucker> 2.x.x-xx
[05:47] <VincentMX> then it's probably 2.6.15
[05:47] <uniq> visik7: please report it to https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/+package
[05:47] <coreymon77> there is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-25-386 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-386
[05:48] <coreymon77> oh
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> coreymon77, match the version you have
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> uname -r produces 2.x.xx-xx
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> Anyone have an experience of troubleshooing hostapd
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> with a cpu version after
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> just match the exact number
[05:48] <coreymon77> i just noticed that my uname -r thing says 2.6.15-25-386 so thats my answer right?
[05:48] <kijutsu> I want to see about using the nvidia driver that's not included with X.  The official driver form nvidia that doesn't suck.  Is it in adept or do i have to manually install it?
[05:48] <Chris_Tucker> coreymon77, yes
[05:49] <VincentMX> hmm
[05:49] <Chris_Tucker> visik7, strange, i have 3 primary, and two logical, and all works fine here in dapper
[05:50] <bob_in_florence> would  you have one or two partitions for / and /home, on a 80G hd recent laptop?
[05:50] <coreymon77> okay
[05:50] <Chris_Tucker> bob_in_florence, your choice, seperate is good for saftey of your files in a crash... and together is fine in general
[05:50] <coreymon77> im restarting x now
[05:50] <coreymon77> lets see if it worked?
[05:50] <uniq> bob_in_florence: on laptops with small disks i use one partition for / because it'
[05:50] <visik7> Chris_Tucker: general problems of kubuntu ubiquity are finds by many ppl I know
[05:51] <coreymon77> here goes
[05:51] <VincentMX> kubuntu has easter egg :P : sudo apt-get install beep-media-player, turn volume to max, open your window, download some mp3 (like nirvana, or offspring), and click PLAY. it will make your neighbours quit angry
[05:51] <uniq> 's hard to know how much space to allocate to each part. and it's a waste to have 20G  free on / when /home is full.
[05:51] <VincentMX> s/quit/quite
[05:52] <Chris_Tucker> coreymon77, luck?
[05:52] <Chris_Tucker> i guess not
[05:53] <coreymon77> umm
[05:53] <coreymon77> i didnt see the nvidia logo
[05:53] <bob_in_florence> Thks. so i'll keep one partition, and tell you if i'm happy with it!
[05:54] <coreymon77> although it seems to be working fine
[05:55] <VincentMX> ok
[05:55] <VincentMX> :)
[05:55] <coreymon77> thankis
[05:55] <VincentMX> np
[05:55] <coreymon77> ! vincentsnack
[05:55] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, coreymon77
[05:55] <coreymon77> lol :)
[05:57] <VincentMX> haha
[05:57] <iNiku> hmm. is it possible to shrink a mounted ext2/3 filesystem?
[06:00] <uniq> iniku: yes, with resize2fs.
[06:00] <uniq> iniku: or.. mounted.. notsure.
[06:02] <slow-motion> bbl
[06:02] <iNiku> uniq: resize2fs only does unmounted, unfortunately
[06:02] <iNiku> uniq: as far as I know, anyway
[06:03] <VincentMX> iNiku: put it on a livecd
[06:03] <VincentMX> reboot
[06:04] <VincentMX> do it from there
[06:04] <VincentMX> veni vidi vici
[06:04] <uniq> iniku: with -f too?
[06:05] <uniq> iniku: it is probably very dangerous if it works though.
[06:05] <VincentMX> uniq: -f s in force?
[06:06] <VincentMX> it will rpobably ruin all yo shit
[06:06] <VincentMX> this will break
[06:06] <VincentMX> things will break
[06:06] <VincentMX> as i said, make a livecd
[06:08] <Chris_Tucker> no need to even make a livecd
[06:08] <Chris_Tucker> just get one and install the program in live mode
[06:09] <piphoe`> i want to make my own custom unattended livecd... how do i do that ??
[06:10] <visik7> partition was: in phisical order hda2 hda3 hda1 (that is perfectly LEGAL!) and after create an hda5 it reorder hda1 hda2 hda3 and windows and freebsd was unable to boot!!!
[06:15] <bob_in_florence> it's 10 minutes that the installer remains "scanning the mirror" at 1%.. but i double-checked the install cd
[06:16] <uniq> iniku: ext2resize can grow mounted partitions, not shrink though.
[06:18] <soon> Hi there folks ...
[06:19] <soon> I'm partitioning my laptop HD for a new Kubuntu install ... Do I need a seperate /boot partition?
[06:20] <uniq> soon: no, you only need / and swap.
[06:20] <soon> thanks !
[06:21] <Smooph> a /boot is only a good idea if u have multiple systems on your laptop
[06:21] <soon> which I dont :-)
[06:22] <[Surge] > Having a separate partition for /home is a nice thing to have. It allows you to format and reinstall a distro or other distros without losing user data.
[06:22] <Smooph> yes thats true
[06:22] <soon> I'll just let the installer erase my entire disk a format it as 'default'
[06:22] <soon> (seems to  be som LVM stuff) ...
[06:22] <Smooph> having a laptop with 80gb split it to 20gb / and 60gb /home
[06:23] <[Surge] > I gave / 5GB and the rest went to /home
[06:24] <Smooph> 5GB wasn't enough for me
[06:24] <[Surge] > Really?
[06:24] <Smooph> i would sugest at least 10
[06:24] <[Surge] > You must have installed a lot of crap. :)
[06:24] <soon> I see your point Smoop, and have had seperate /home partions before - however I'm now into the habit of regularly tar.gz backup'ing my entire /home to an external harddrive, so I can always just copy back after a new install ---
[06:25] <mindspit> hallo all! how can i fix skype so that it uses the microphone ?
[06:25] <soon> btw - I tried ubuntu 3-4 months ago - it wouldnt install at all on my laptop (wouldnt boot - some ACPI stuff I suspected), but the 6.06 kubuntu runs like a dream :-)
[06:25] <[Surge] > mindspit: Plug in a microphone?  :P
[06:26] <mindspit> i use 6.06
[06:26] <soon> Check KMix
[06:26] <mindspit> i have a head set connected
[06:26] <jaro> Hello Hello
[06:26] <soon> hallo
[06:26] <JavaByte> hey :)
[06:26] <jaro> I need some help with my TV Tuner
[06:26] <[Surge] > mindspit: check in kmix that you have the capture device set to mic (often there is also a mic boost setting)
[06:26] <soon> careful ... dont mention your TV tuner, or Denmarks Radio will send you a bill .... !
[06:27] <jaro> It works fine , as long as I boot the system... but once, I unplugged it .. it won't be detected again when I plug it back
[06:27] <iNiku> uniq: yeah, ext2resize can only grow a live fs :/
[06:27] <uniq> iniku: and you need to shrink?
[06:27] <iNiku> VincentMX: booting from a cd is such a pain, doing it on the fly would be so much cooler :)
[06:27] <[Surge] > I need a shrink too
[06:27] <iNiku> uniq: yep
[06:27] <iNiku> oh well
[06:27] <jaro> This worked fine some time before, but that was when the tuner itself didnt work... lol
[06:27] <iNiku> I was just hoping things might have changed in the past couple of years
[06:27] <soon> Denmarks Radio have actually managed to get it through parliment, that anyone (!) with a TV, TV-tuner, Generation 3 mobile phone or an internet connection has to pay a licensing fee to them ... !
[06:28] <jaro> i dont know what is wrong.. i hear about hotplug, but there is no package available
[06:28] <soon> ...anyone in Denmark that is ...
[06:28] <[Surge] > soon: Sounds like the royalities on blank CD and DVD media  >:(
[06:28] <Iam8up> isn't there a live cd of 6.06
[06:28] <soon> Yeah, except this is even worse
[06:28] <[Surge] > s/royalities/royalties
[06:28] <mindspit> the problem is that skype seeting for devices defaults to /dev/dsp
[06:29] <soon> arguable, homeless hobbos (with an older mobile phone), doenst have to pay ,,, but everybody else does
[06:29] <uniq> jaro: you don't want hotplug.
[06:29] <jaro> ok
[06:29] <jaro> so what do i want ?
[06:29] <mindspit> and when tryin to call it says "error with your sound device"
[06:29] <[Surge] > mindspit: Yes Skype uses OSS - you need to use ALSA OSS emulation (which is default)
[06:29] <jaro> dmesg doesnt give a damn
[06:30] <jaro> if i plug the device in or not
[06:30] <uniq> jaro: what do you need? udev has taken hotplugs job in ubuntu.
[06:30] <[Surge] > mindspit: Have you tried switching of the sound server?
[06:30] <soon> I'm gonna go play some ball with my son ... be back later
[06:30] <mindspit> no
[06:30] <mindspit> how can i do it ?
[06:30] <uniq> jaro: what device?
[06:30] <jaro> hmm the problem is that the device wont be detected ( the green light won't go on) when I plug the USB Stick back in
[06:30] <jaro> TV Card
[06:30] <jaro> USB 2.0
[06:30] <uniq> soon: please disable the public away message in this channel. thanks.
[06:31] <[Surge] > mindspit: settings:/Sound/
[06:31] <jaro> I finally got the tv-card working itself, but only after a complete reboot
[06:31] <jaro> once I plug it off.. it wont get back anymore after a plug in
[06:31] <[Surge] > mindspit: Then "Sound System"
[06:32] <[Surge] > mindspit: In konqueror - you can do it via the KDE menu too
[06:33] <jaro> uniq:  any idea ?
[06:33] <mindspit> the "network sound " option is it of interest ?
[06:34] <[Surge] > mindspit: Nope
[06:34] <[Surge] > mindspit: The problem with sound servers is that they normally grab the sound device and lock it so that no other apps can use it unless they are sound server compatible. Most cheap sound cards only have one playback device.
[06:34] <[Surge] > Skype doesn't know how to use a sound server
[06:35] <[Surge] > It's the bain of the Linux desktop - no standard way to handle sound.
[06:35] <iNiku> alsa is getting there.
[06:35] <iNiku> with automatic hw/sw mixing and all...
[06:36] <jaro> :(
[06:36] <[Surge] > Yes but it still doesn't handle multiple apps sharing the same device automatically like Windows XP.
[06:36] <iNiku> [Surge] : it does
[06:36] <jaro> anyone else who might know what do with USB reconnection ?
[06:36] <iNiku> that's what the mixing is about
[06:36] <[Surge] > No it doesn't - dmix is not enabled by default.
[06:36] <iNiku> [Surge] : new alsa should automatically enable dmix if the hardware doesn't do hardware mixing, shouldn't it?
[06:37] <[Surge] > iNiku: I don;t know  - I'm still using Breezy. :)
[06:38] <jaro> can anyone help?
[06:38] <Iam8up> on the kubuntu installer - does the installer ask me which partitions to make/use for itself?
[06:38] <jaro> i cant find anything on google or stuff
[06:38] <iNiku> [Surge] : I have automatic mixing on my dapper laptop but I'm not entirely sure whether it's hw mixing or automatic dmix
[06:38] <iNiku> [Surge] : however, it works without any alsa configuration... the only problem is that it doesn't handle OSS apps without the use of aoss
[06:38] <GullyFoyle> what's the cmd to show waht version of an app will be installed by apt-get? i seem to remember it has 'show' in it or sumthin
[06:39] <[Surge] > iNiku: Yeah that's a pain. Skype is one such app.
[06:39] <[Surge] > OSS must die!
[06:39] <mindspit> i used skype with my wine installation and it works!
[06:39] <mindspit> :(
[06:39] <iNiku> [Surge] : indeed. and AFAIK skype won't even work with aoss
[06:39] <Iam8up> mindspit - neat =)
[06:40] <GullyFoyle> apt-cache show? grr i guess i gotta wade thru the manpage
[06:40] <[Surge] > mindspit: Skype works perfectly here once I disabled the sound servers.
[06:40] <mindspit> i do not believe that! so dissapointing ... its very very slow !
[06:41] <uniq> jaro: sorry, had to get the kid to bed.
[06:41] <mindspit> how can i dissable all sound servers?
[06:41] <iNiku> [Surge] : but it will block the sound device while it's running
[06:41] <JavaByte> !mp3
[06:41] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:42] <uniq> gullyfoyle: apt-cache policy package, or apt-cache madison package
[06:42] <[Surge] > mindspit: Did you open "settings:/Sound/" in konqueror?
[06:43] <jaro> uniq:  ah ok..
[06:43] <jaro> uniq:  can we figure it out now ?
[06:44] <[Surge] > mindspit: Open "Sound Servers" in settings:/Sound/  and then uncheck the "Enable the sound system" checkbox.
[06:44] <uniq> jaro: can you open a konsole and paste the output of "lsmod" to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com please.
[06:44] <mindspit> yes ... it is there .... skype is working thta way
[06:44] <jaro> ok
[06:44] <bogo> how do I change the system's default keyboard layout? I mean, not just for X, but the whole thing
[06:45] <uniq> jaro: you can also plug in and out some usb-keys or disks and then paste the output of 'dmesg' to the same address.
[06:45] <[Surge] > mindspit: If you want to run Skype at the same time as other sound apps you'll have to look at dmix in ALSA. It's software sound mixing.
[06:45] <jaro> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/715010
[06:46] <iNiku> [Surge] : it won't help though, since skype uses OSS and dmix doesn't work with that.
[06:46] <jaro> uh oh
[06:46] <jaro> mouse not working anymore.. lol
[06:46] <iNiku> [Surge] : or if it does, please tell me how :)
[06:46] <ryanakca> ok, for enabling web interface for CUPS, I ran "sudo adduser cupsys shadow" as described by /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian, yet the web interface still doesn't work. I get a dialog box, (like one given by htaccess) asking for a username & password. I enter cupsys. I hit Ok. "Authentication failed. Do you wish to try again?" What do I do?
[06:46] <uniq> bogo: you have already done it for X i figure? - 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data' for console.
[06:46] <[Surge] > iNiku: Oh :(
[06:47] <iNiku> [Surge] : skype can be tricked into using alsa by running it via aoss, but AFAIK that will break skype. works with many other OSS apps, though
[06:47] <uniq> ryanakca: try your own username/password. not cups.
[06:47] <[Surge] > mindspit: Well there's your answer - Skype's sound interface sucks. :)
[06:47] <[Surge] > As do all OSS reliant apps ...
[06:48] <uniq> jaro: ok, output of lsmod looks good, you have the correct usb-modules loaded.
[06:48] <bogo> uniq: no I haven't, I want to change it globaly
[06:48] <jaro> ok
[06:48] <jaro> dmesg coming
[06:48] <mindspit> ok guys thanks ! thank you vey much! here in greece it is a beatifull  day! :)
[06:48] <ryanakca> uniq: nope
[06:49] <uniq> bogo: you can't, you'll have to change it once for console, and  once for X.
[06:49] <jaro> uniq: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/715019
[06:49] <bogo> uniq: and how do I change it for X and not only KDE?
[06:49] <jaro> uniq:  mouse plugoff only resulted in mouse not working but still alight
[06:49] <uniq> [surge] : can't you use the snd-pcm-oss module?
[06:50] <mindspit> how can i send private messages like you do to me ?
[06:50] <mindspit> from konversation
[06:50] <jaro> uniq:  and wont be registered by dmesg
[06:50] <mindspit> i have another question comming
[06:51] <GullyFoyle> if i just use plain old apt-get install 'pkg' will it automatically upgrade to a newer version or do i need a different flag or cmd or something?
[06:51] <jaro> mindspit:  doubleclick on user in list
[06:51] <bogo> mindspit: right-click on the person and select 'Open Query'
[06:51] <mindspit> i have a Qcam usb pc camera "#lsusb" returns "Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0c45:612f Microdia"
[06:51] <iNiku> [Surge] : just tried it, get no sound at all from skype using aoss.
[06:52] <bogo> mindspit: or you can just type '/msg nickname message'
[06:52] <iNiku> uniq: OSS apps cannot be dmixed, that's the issue
[06:52] <mindspit> no not private messages .... just here for example i see something like  "[19:51]  <jaro> mindspit:  doubleclick on user in list"!
[06:52] <iNiku> uniq: they will hog the audio device
[06:53] <bogo> does anyone know how to configure the keyboard layout for X? I've noticed that the settings panel only deals with KDE
[06:53] <iNiku> uniq: if you trick them into using alsa by running them via aoss, dmix works... but skype doesn't work with aoss.
[06:53] <uniq> bogo: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in you favourite text editor, as root (with sudo in front of the command) Find the keyboard section, and change XkbLayout to the two letter code of your layout. :)
[06:53] <bogo> uniq: and where do I get a list of these abreviations?
[06:54] <uniq> iniku: ah, i wasn't aware of that. :)
[06:55] <jaro> uniq:  got the dmesg ?
[06:56] <jaro> mindspit:  type the beginning of nick and press TAB.. then type the normal message, it will be highlighted
[06:56] <uniq> jaro: got it, reading now.
[06:58] <uniq> bogo: list? well you can open /usr/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86, that's a list of layouts. but it's not a reader friendly list. And don't change the file, read it without sudo privileges.
[07:01] <oomph> im trying to configure WPA on my wifi nic, this is my first kubuntu install
[07:01] <Healot> your hardware oomph?
[07:01] <Healot> !hardware
[07:01] <ubotu> hmm... hardware is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[07:01] <oomph> the wifi assistant doesnt have the option
[07:01] <uniq> oomph: install 'knetworkmanager' from the repositories, it's very good.
[07:01] <oomph> im using an IBM thinkpad
[07:01] <Healot> model?
[07:01] <oomph> t40
[07:02] <mackyman> Hello! Is there any possability to format and install Kubuntu without a CD-burner?
[07:02] <uniq> mackyman: what os are you currently running?
[07:02] <mackyman> ubuntu
[07:03] <raphink> mackyman: then you don't have to install it
[07:03] <raphink> unless you want to install it on another machine
[07:03] <uniq> jaro: I don't know what could cause your prolem. But it seems something is crashing on you. I'm not sure why. Don't think i can help you :/
[07:03] <Healot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM << what's the wifi nic btw?
[07:03] <mindspit> /msg jaro qcam
[07:03] <mackyman> But I want to format at the same time
[07:03] <mindspit> /msg jaro qcam: Not installed SUID or run as root.  Exiting.
[07:03] <mindspit> /msg jaro mindspit@BeingHuman$sudo qcam
[07:03] <mindspit> /msg jaro Password:
[07:03] <mindspit> /msg jaro Qcam not found
[07:03] <mindspit> /msg jaro Cannot open QuickCam; exiting.
[07:03] <Healot> @ oomph
[07:03] <jonatan> lol
[07:03] <oomph> im not sure what the nic is
[07:03] <oomph> i need to check it quickly
[07:04] <oomph> the OS seems to run great aside from my wifi not working
[07:04] <jaro> uniq:  too bad
[07:04] <jaro> uniq:  any idea where i could look for ?
[07:05] <oomph> installing knetworkmanager atm
[07:05] <uniq> jaro: hmm..
[07:05] <mackyman> raphink: Shuld I just reinstall my ubuntu and the add the kubuntu-desktop, kde and kde-core packages?
[07:05] <Healot> lspci >> type in this is the terminal, paste the output to pastebin.com , not to this channel or pm
[07:05] <mackyman> to have a fresh install?
[07:05] <raphink> kubuntu-desktop is enouogh
[07:05] <raphink> fresh install is nicer
[07:05] <gawa> hi all, i have a little problem with kdesu ... he don't find the su program ... it's anoying cause i set in bashrc and bash_profile the corrects paths (include /bin) ....
[07:06] <gawa> i searched on google but nobody know how to resolve the problem ...
[07:06] <jaro> ok ill be off
[07:06] <jaro> have to take care of the problem again later
[07:07] <uniq> jaro, can you take a look at the dmesg?
[07:07] <uniq> ah.. he just left. well.
[07:08] <gawa> nobody know how to use kdesu when he don't find su plz ? :-/
[07:08] <uniq> gawa: what did you change to break it?
[07:08] <gawa> i deleted sudo
[07:09] <uniq> gawa: why?
[07:09] <gawa> (uninstalled him with apt-get, not a rm sudo :p)
[07:09] <uniq> gawa: that's why kdesu doesn't work, it needs sudo.
[07:09] <uniq> gawa: nice one, you just found a missing dependency :)
[07:09] <uniq> gawa: if you reinstall sudo it'll work.
[07:09] <gawa> yes, so i want to configure it to use SU and not sudo :s
[07:10] <uniq> hmm.. don't know if that is possible. hang on.
[07:10] <gawa> but i don't need sudo, i prefere un good su root !
[07:11] <jonatan> uhm, does anyone know if it is "as intended" that there isn't any restricted-linux-modules for kernel 2.6.15-25 yet ?
[07:11] <gawa> it's like my user is root :s i don't like it ...
[07:11] <Tommy2k4> !sudo
[07:11] <ubotu> I heard sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:12] <jonatan> Reason I ask is that aptitude decided to upgrade from 2.6.15-23 which sort of broke my nvidia driver, and it doesn't seem to be packaged for 2.6.15-25 yet
[07:12] <uniq> gawa: i understand.
[07:13] <gawa> so with sudo, why does the root account exist ??? i prefere to log in root and edit all my .conf files ! it's long to type "sudo cd, sudo vim ..., sudo TEST, sudo re-vim ....
[07:13] <uniq> gawa: should be able to configure. hang on a little more.
[07:15] <sgorwood> hello.  Can anyone tell me if kubuntu 6.06 supports suspend to ram out of the box?  I can't find it in any of the menu's.
[07:16] <gawa> tsss so i'll forced to use sudo ... <_< I though i could install a debian and desinstall  sudo ...
[07:16] <byen> hey guys! Im having major stability issues with kubuntu and FF
[07:16] <raphink> why do you need FF?
[07:16] <raphink> gawa: sudo is great
[07:17] <raphink> gawa: once you begin to use sudo and discover what it allows you to do, you don't want to switch back to su, trust me
[07:18] <gawa> it seems to me sudo is unsecure ...
[07:18] <gawa> just a sudo and the simple-user's password ...
[07:19] <geneo93> only the first user
[07:19] <raphink> that's not insecure
[07:19] <macd> the user has to be belong to the sudoers/admin group
[07:19] <byen> ok here goes... when ever i click any link on the FF browser...Kubuntu hangs and I have to shutoff by pressing the power button....aka WIndows style
[07:19] <jimmy__> thanks for the advice, knetworkmanager resolved my problem
[07:19] <raphink> unless your user's password is less secure than your root one
[07:19] <raphink> gawa: furthermore, sudo is not straight super-cow powers
[07:19] <macd> you shouldnt have a root password in a sudo enviornment.
[07:19] <raphink> you can give special rights to special people for special actions with it
[07:19] <gawa> just a firefox not up to date, and a simple web-page can do anything in u'r system (if u record the passwords in memory)
[07:19] <raphink> its much more convenient than su for that
[07:20] <raphink> you can allow certain people to achieve only certain root tasks on certain hosts
[07:20] <raphink> using their password
[07:20] <jonatan> gawa, there are endless debates about wether sudo or su is more secure, but tbh its no fucking difference. You are still typing your password into a console on your user account.
[07:21] <jonatan> If you are worried about security you ought to have a separate account for administrating tasks
[07:21] <raphink> gawa: sudo is no less secure than su, that's for sure
 you shouldnt have a root password in a sudo enviornment. --< why ? :s
[07:21] <macd> think for a second.
[07:21] <macd> you dont need to be root.
[07:21] <jimmy__> what does sudo -i do?
[07:21] <raphink> gawa: otherwise, you can activate the root account, which is as easy as "sudo passwd" but it's really not worth it
[07:21] <raphink> && unsecure
[07:21] <jonatan> gawa, if your user account gets corrupted you might have a keylogger runing, hence neither sudo or su is secure in that respect
[07:21] <raphink> since you add another account with all rights on the system
[07:22] <raphink> jimmy__: logs you as root ;)
[07:22] <gawa> k but if i want ... i can ! no conflicts, no problem, until i "should use sudo"
[07:22] <raphink> gawa: you should not, it's up to you
[07:22] <jonatan> gawa, meh, if you want a root password you can use sudo to set it , then you can use su afterwards
[07:22] <jimmy__> ahh
[07:23] <raphink> gawa: the graphical apps will still ask your own password though
[07:23] <raphink> cause we patched them to use sudo instead of su by default
[07:23] <jonatan> its a bad idea to run as root when you don't need to anyway
[07:23] <gawa> but it's verry boring to edit a .conf (examples : apche, samba, xorg ...) test the daemon and re-type the user password ...
[07:23] <jonatan> in case something cocks up the damage it can do is much more severe
[07:23] <raphink> gawa: ?
[07:24] <raphink> gawa: please read "man sudo" and come back when you know what you can do with it
[07:24] <jonatan> gawa, you only need to type the passwrod first time you use sudo
[07:24] <raphink> I don't like to do that
[07:24] <raphink> but really
[07:24] <Healot> you can edit sudoers for you not to enter password at all
[07:24] <raphink> sudo does more things than su, including what su does
[07:24] <geneo93> well it last about 10 minutes
[07:25] <Healot> if you feel that entering password is a boring task
[07:25] <gawa> jonatan ==> and anybody can type "sudo anything he wants to do" ...
[07:25] <macd> gawa: no thats not how it works.
[07:25] <jonatan> gawa, use sudo -k to kill it prematurely
[07:25] <jonatan> gawa, after you type sudo it will not ask you for a password for 10 min or so
[07:25] <raphink> gawa: you can set that if you want
[07:25] <macd> in kx/ubuntu only users in the admin group can utilize sudo.
[07:25] <jonatan> ^^ what he said
[07:26] <raphink> macd: by default that is
[07:26] <visik7> does nvidia and hibernate works  ?
[07:26] <raphink> gawa: man sudoers
[07:26] <jonatan> look if it really bothers you so damn much, just do sudo passwd and set a root password ...
[07:26] <gawa> what is sudo doing that su DON't do ?
[07:26] <raphink>  /etc/sudoers is a very nice conffile
[07:26] <uniq> gawa: please excuse these sudo-fanatics. I agree that kdesu should support both su and sudo, and removing sudo shouldn't break your system. I'm working on figuring out how to do it, just hang on a bit.
[07:26] <macd> in making the point not everyone can sudo.
[07:26] <raphink> gawa: man sudoers
[07:26] <raphink> this is what sudo does that su doesn't do
[07:27] <Chris_Tucker> if you edit /etc/sudoers you can add a sudo-er without having them in the admin group
[07:27] <raphink> gawa: e.g. : I want user toto to be able to lauch apt-get as root without entering a password, but nothing else
[07:27] <uniq> jonatan: please observ your language, no need to be over excited because you like sudo and others don't.
[07:27] <raphink> gawa: sudo can do that, in 1 liiine of conf
[07:27] <jonatan> k, sorry , guess it was uncalled for
[07:28] <gawa> uniq --> yeah don't care, i'll find the kdesu sources and look at them, just for see if i can ... (i'm not a hard programmer :p) but i thin i can test sudo ...
[07:28] <byen> does anyone here have Kubuntu crash while opening links in Firefix?
[07:28] <soon> try firefox instead :-) lol
[07:28] <uniq> raphink: what if you don't want any user to be able to do anything as root without having the root password? :)
[07:28] <raphink> gawa: you want to remove the sudo patch from kdesu ?
[07:28] <Chris_Tucker> im still trying to get kubuntu to send its links to firefox >.<
[07:28] <raphink> uniq: then  you just set sudo to do so :;)
[07:28] <macd> Chris_Tucker: kcontrol.
[07:28] <VincentMX> why can't i burn mp3 files in k3b?
[07:29] <Chris_Tucker> macd, dont you think ive been trying that?
[07:29] <macd> Obviously I have no clue what youve tried since you havent said yet.
[07:31] <Chris_Tucker> ok then ive tried x-www-browser reconfigurer, kcontrol -> kde components -> web browswer -> "firefox" and "firefox %s"
[07:31] <VincentMX> how do i open mp3 files?
[07:31] <Chris_Tucker> !mp3
[07:31] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:31] <macd> Chris_Tucker: I have the same setting in kubuntu-breezy kd3.5.2, works fine.
[07:33] <VincentMX> !mp3
[07:33] <ubotu> well, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:33] <Chris_Tucker> macd, which one
[07:33] <jonatan> Chris_Tucker: what happens when youd o that, does it open it in konqueror still or does it just crash ?
[07:33] <macd> firefox %s
[07:34] <Chris_Tucker> jonatan, it does nothing
[07:34] <Chris_Tucker> the link goes nowhere
[07:34] <macd> is your firefox bin in your path?
[07:34] <Chris_Tucker> its in /usr/bin
[07:34] <jimmy__> whats the apt-get for the kernel source?
[07:35] <macd> jimmy__: that would depend on your instaled kernel, use apt-cache search to find yours.
[07:35] <Chris_Tucker> i dont know what you mean by "my path"
[07:35] <macd> Chris_Tucker: if its in /usr/bin thats good enough.
[07:35] <Chris_Tucker> macd, well its not working
[07:36] <macd> sounds like yu should submit a bug report.
[07:36] <jonatan> Chris_Tucker: have you tried just runing firefox %s from the command line, does that start firefox ?
[07:36] <Chris_Tucker> macd, its a bug specific to this machine.
[07:36] <Chris_Tucker> custom install of firefox.
[07:36] <Tommy2k4> is there a way to make it so the windows key opens the k-menu like it would the start button in windows
[07:36] <jimmy__> how do i check which kernel im using?
[07:36] <macd> firefox %s wouldnt run anything, %s is a way of carrying the url from one part of kde to the firefox launch
[07:37] <Chris_Tucker> macd, i know that.
[07:37] <byen> can anyone tell me why Firefox crashes everytime i click a link on kde?
[07:37] <macd> I was referring to jonatan
[07:37] <Celeste> hi
[07:37] <macd> jimmy__: at konsole type uname -a
[07:37] <jonatan> macd: oh, right
[07:37] <Chris_Tucker> macd, im saying im not using the firefox from apt-get ... im using a custom install. in a command terminal i can type "firefox http://google.com/linux" and firefox will open a new tab with that url, but kde will not do the same
[07:37] <macd> or 'sudo apt-cache search kernel-source
[07:38] <jimmy__> got it thanks
[07:38] <macd> Chris_Tucker: I understood you the first time, It doesnt matter what firefox your using, as long as its in the path.
[07:40] <macd> try copying yur firefox binary into /bin and try again.
[07:40] <Chris_Tucker> macd, no, wait, its working for a link on my desktop now...
[07:40] <Chris_Tucker> without doing that
[07:41] <Chris_Tucker> its just applications that dont want to work... xchat/gaim/etc
[07:42] <macd> xchat has a setting for what browser to use.
[07:42] <macd> Im not sure about gaim, as I dont use it
[07:43] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i check [what parameters i need to check]  a dvdwriter supported by kubuntu?
[07:47] <jimmy__> what is the command to install a .deb file you download?
[07:47] <jimmy__> for example im trying to install skype
[07:49] <geneo93> !skype
[07:49] <ubotu> rumour has it, skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[07:49] <jimmy__> thank yo
[07:49] <geneo93> yw
[07:51] <Healot> dpkg -i <.deb> jimmy__
[07:52] <jimmy__> ahh ok
[07:52] <jimmy__> thanks healot
[07:52] <Healot> do you understand the syntax?
[07:52] <jimmy__> yes i do
[07:52] <Healot> oh
[07:52] <Healot> sudo dpkg ...
[07:52] <jimmy__> yup
[07:52] <Healot> sudo first, that's super
[07:52] <jimmy__> correct
[08:00] <slow-motion> re
[08:01] <uniq> gawa: still here?
[08:03] <linuxmonkey> can someone help me with my printer, i get http://pastebin.ca/66605 when ever I try to add it
[08:04] <ryanakca> ok, for enabling web interface for CUPS, I ran "sudo adduser cupsys shadow" as described by /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian, yet the web interface still doesn't work. I get a dialog box, (like one given by htaccess) asking for a username & password. I enter cupsys. I hit Ok. "Authentication failed. Do you wish to try again?" I tried my username & pass (yes, I'm in the lpadmin group), same thing. What do I do?
[08:05] <uniq> gawa: found the solution you want. put '[super-user-command]  \n super-user-command=su' into ~/.kde/share/config/kdesurc  \n = new line. Now kdesu uses su instead of sudo. This will be a user specific change. To make this global put the file in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/
[08:06] <elknof3> hey, hi everybody...
[08:07] <elknof3> im having issues while burning a .iso
[08:07] <elknof3> whit k3b
[08:07] <Healot> I don't know the reason why a person would remove sudo?
[08:07] <elknof3> im using dapper
[08:08] <slow-motion> uniq http://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html < thats the way they explain it for xubuntu. i think it will be the same for kubuntu
[08:08] <ryanakca> elknof3: what's the error?
[08:08] <slow-motion> except the user manager program
[08:08] <elknof3> rynakca, how can i show you the error without pasting it here??
[08:09] <ryanakca> !pastebin
[08:09] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[08:10] <uniq> slow-motion: easiest way to add a user to a group is actually the command line: 'sudo adduser user group'
[08:10] <slow-motion> dont know. it was not in the xubuntu manual
[08:11] <elknof3> ryanacka, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15874
[08:11] <h3sp4wn_> The easiest way to add multiple users to multiple groups i think is sudo vigr
[08:12] <h3sp4wn_> (or adding a new user to alot of groups - not from a script though)
[08:12] <zmoukie>
[08:12] <ryanakca> elknof3: sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[08:12] <linuxmonkey> woot woot I fixed my own printing problem :)
[08:13] <elknof3> ryanacka, i've already done that
[08:13] <zmoukie> preved
[08:13] <uniq> healot: sudo vs. su is a matter of taste and what you feel is right. Some users prefer su, others sudo. That's just the way it is. :)
[08:13] <ryanakca> output?
[08:13] <ryanakca> hmmm... If I have a lot of commands to run, su, if it's just 1 or 2, sudo
[08:14] <Healot> i prefer a more secure root access
[08:14] <axier> loco
[08:14] <Healot> they say "sudo"
[08:14] <uniq> ryanakca: sudo can also give you a shell like su. with the -i option.
[08:14] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:14] <elknof3> ryanacka, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15875
[08:15] <Healot> security will make you feel a bit uncomfortable... but worth it
[08:15] <ryanakca> Healot: you get used to it after a while
[08:15] <Leqtic> Hi guys :D
[08:15] <Healot> more then a WHILE :)
[08:15] <Leqtic> Where can you get new themes for Kubuntu :D
[08:16] <pichi> hello to all
[08:16] <uniq> leqtic: http://kde-look.org
[08:16] <Leqtic> uniq:  saving me again :D
[08:17] <Child4Christ> how do i deal with .rar archives?
[08:17] <Healot> !info unrar
[08:17] <ubotu> unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[08:17] <Healot> !info unrar-free
[08:17] <ubotu> unrar-free: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 84 kB
[08:17] <Leqtic> uniq:  how do u install :D ?
[08:18] <Child4Christ> thx
[08:18] <ryanakca> elknof3: sorry, no clue... I had a simmilar error... and I had selected TAO burn method... instead of the others... which I could help you more... umm... you checked google for simmilar errors?
[08:18] <Leqtic> .kda
[08:18] <Leqtic> is that?
[08:18] <Leqtic> kth
[08:19] <elknof3> ryanacka, yeah i've been looking for same things but no track of it
[08:19] <lime4x4> which kernel version for a P4 2.6 ghz HT chip?   386 or 686?
[08:19] <Leqtic> .kth double kick on it?
[08:19] <ryanakca> wish... and TAO burn method instead of the other burn methods corrected it.... sorry if I'm not very clear
[08:19] <Child4Christ> worked, cheers =)
[08:19] <Healot> cheers the Canadian way T&P?
[08:19] <elknof3> ryanacka, what is TAO burn method?
[08:19] <Healot> TRack at Once
[08:20] <Healot> meaning one track on each burning session
[08:20] <elknof3> how do you activate that??
[08:20] <uniq> lime4x4: 686.
[08:20] <elknof3> i mean that's in k3b??
[08:20] <Healot> all in k3b options
[08:20] <ryanakca> in writing mode...
[08:20] <elknof3> ok ok
[08:21] <elknof3> thanks a lot
[08:21] <ryanakca> ok, so you go burn cd image, then under "Writing Mode", change auto to TAO. proceed as normal
[08:21] <Leqtic> uniq:  how do u install them? i unzipped it
[08:22] <lime4x4> uniq how would i change that then?? took the update for the new kernel but it's the 386 version i don't know why it didn't detect my cpu properly
[08:22] <elknof3> ryanacka, ok i think its wrking...  thanks
[08:22] <Leqtic> Does anyone here know how to install themes?
[08:22] <ryanakca> :)
[08:22] <uniq> lime4x4: 686 will be the prefered kernel if you install it.
[08:22] <uniq> leqtic: what theme? link?
[08:23] <ryanakca> Leqtic: help us help you, can you give us more information? Themes for what? Downloaded from and to where? File extention?
[08:23] <elknof3> will that work on every type of burning? i mean, to burn mp3's, data, etc?
[08:23] <Tommy2k4> how can i get it so the windows key opens the k-menu
[08:23] <ryanakca> elknof3: should
[08:23] <Leqtic> .kth file extension, downlodade from the webplace uniq gave me
[08:23] <Leqtic> KDE theme :D
[08:23] <elknof3> ryanacka, it didn't work...
[08:24] <ryanakca> ok, go to KControl, Appearance & Themes, Theme Manager, Install new theme
[08:24] <lime4x4> uniq so go thru synaptic and select the 686 kernel
[08:24] <ryanakca> elknof3: drats... same error?
[08:24] <elknof3> yeap
[08:24] <omega> How do I find the numeric permission bit of a file?
[08:25] <ryanakca> ok, try closing k3b, go alt-f2, and type in:     kdesu k3b
[08:25] <uniq> lime4x4: yes.
[08:25] <Leqtic> ryanakca:  thanks
[08:27] <lime4x4> thanks uniq
[08:27] <Leqtic> ryanakca:  You mean SYstem Settings, cant seem to find Appearance & Themes
[08:27] <uniq> omega: 'stat file'
[08:27] <omega> Thank you, uniq
[08:28] <ryanakca> Leqtic: no, KControl.... go alt-f2, kcontrol
[08:29] <Leqtic> ryanakca:  thanks again :D
[08:29] <ryanakca> np
[08:29] <ryanakca> elknof3: working?
[08:30] <uniq> omega: 'stat -c "%a %n \n" file' is also nice.
[08:30] <Tommy2k4> is it possible to make the k-menu open when i press the win key
[08:31] <uniq> tommy2k4: yes, you can try this:
[08:31] <uniq> !kmediakeys
[08:31] <ubotu> from memory, kmediakeys is system settings -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout -> enable keyboard layouts, and select a keyboard model close to yours in the list.
[08:31] <Child4Christ> what repos in the source list do i need to install another amaroK engine?
[08:32] <elknof3> no
[08:32] <humboldt> does anyone know a app (GUI or WebGUI, OSS or proprietary) for keeping track of IP subnets, and IP devices in them. Something where you would create a master subnet and then can devide it in smaller pieces and keep information to any IP in these subnets, search for the IPs, subnets and info stored to them, ...
[08:32] <paines> good evening
[08:32] <ryanakca> elknof3: error?
[08:32] <uniq> humboldt: something like nagios?
[08:33] <Leqtic> does installing a new theme requiring u to reboot?
[08:33] <humboldt> maybe, don't know it. you tell me.
[08:33] <raphink> Leqtic: whatt kind of theme?
[08:34] <omega> Too big a command for me, uniq. I like to keep things simple.
[08:34] <Tommy2k4> cant find anything in there about the win key uniq
[08:34] <Leqtic> raphink:  for the KDE
[08:34] <humboldt> uniq: however, I primarily am looking for something to keep documentation for these subnets and IPs not to monitor them
[08:34] <Leqtic> just a normal theme :D
[08:34] <raphink> Leqtic: no
[08:34] <elknof3> ok its working
[08:34] <Tommy2k4> its not like the keyboard doesnt pick up the win key, i can use it in other shortcuts, but pressing it on its own doesnt bring up the k-menu
[08:34] <raphink> Leqtic: the only thing that requires to reboot is upgrading a kernel
[08:34] <elknof3> the burn prosses started yet
[08:34] <Child4Christ> random question, anyone here sucessfully set up and ran an OX server on Kubuntu?
[08:34] <raphink> as far as I know
[08:34] <ryanakca> elknof3: what did you do?
[08:34] <uniq> tommy2k4: choose the keyboard you have. ms win natural for example. Then it should work.
[08:35] <elknof3> ryanakca: i did what you tell me
[08:35] <elknof3> and then i started the burning proses
[08:36] <Tommy2k4> well i dont know what keyboard i have but i tried all of the ms ones and none of them worked
[08:36] <uniq> humboldt: then i don't know.
[08:37] <ryanakca> elknof3: ok, is there anybody else who uses your box?
[08:37] <uniq> tommy2k4: what about 105 key?
[08:37] <Tommy2k4> tried it
[08:37] <elknof3> ryanakca: thanks for helping me
[08:37] <lime4x4> uniq is it possible to select the 686 kernel on install??? I have another machine i want to install kubuntu on as well
[08:37] <ryanakca> np
[08:37] <uniq> lime4x4: don't think so.
[08:38] <lime4x4> k thanks
[08:38] <Leqtic> bye all :D
[08:48] <Tommy2k4> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=153112 will that work on dapper?
[08:49] <uniq> tommy2k4: yes. should
[08:49] <apokryphos> Tommy2k4: yesa
[08:49] <apokryphos> or yes, even
[08:50] <apokryphos> hi uniq :). How's it going?
[08:50] <uniq> hi apokryphos, all good here. and you? :)
[08:50] <apokryphos> yeah, things are good. Finally a bit of a relaxation period after exams 8)
[08:51] <Tonio_> hey
[08:51] <Tonio_> is someone here using a bluetooth mouse ?
[08:52] <uniq> i use a trackpad, so that's a negative from me.
[08:52] <Child4Christ> exams are fun :D
[08:52] <apokryphos> bluetooth are too expensive still, for me
[08:52] <apokryphos> Child4Christ: nah, means you have to do work. For most of them, anyway.
[08:52] <uniq> i have a bluetooth phone, and headset though.
[08:53] <Child4Christ> can i take the RHCE exams on Kubuntu?
[08:53] <Child4Christ> might be goin for it next year WOOHOO!!! :D
[08:53] <uniq> child4christ: probably not. as RH is RedHat not RubHuntu. :)
[08:54] <Child4Christ> RubHuntu? IDEA!! *toddles off to make another ubuntu derivitive*
[08:55] <Child4Christ> thats an idea actually, splice RHEL4 rpms and add ubuntu to it, is it possible?
[08:56] <Child4Christ> best of both worlds cause a lot of software comes as rpm an no deb :(
[08:58] <slicslak> can i use my gamepad as a mouse?
[09:04] <richard> Is there any similiar program to amarok that will compress and install video's to a ipod?
[09:04] <richard> Not an Ipod but a generic ipod with video capabilities. . .
[09:04] <rohan> seeing that i have the ubuntu desktop cd, can i somehow use it to create teh kubuntu one, without having to download full 650mb kubuntu desktop cd ?
[09:08] <_euclid> hola
[09:09] <euclid_> j
[09:11] <Armagguedes> hello
[09:12] <Armagguedes> what happened to that kde 3.5.? theme in which the top right corner buttons
[09:12] <Armagguedes> where square, and the X button was longer than the others
[09:12] <Armagguedes> i think it duplicated longhorn, but im not sure.
[09:13] <Armagguedes> anyways, i prefered that one to 3.5.3's , but i cant find it in the themes section in kcontrol
[09:21] <ryanakca> I have kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop & xubuntu-desktop installed. How do I set kmenu up so that it shows only KDE/Kubuntu apps? not the xubuntu/ubuntu/XFCE/GNOME ones...
[09:22] <raphink> ryanakca: not sure that is possible
[09:23] <raphink> imo the K menu shows all the apps that have a .desktop file in /usr/share/apps
[09:23] <ryanakca> drats... didn't think so... I was hoping you'd prove me wrong
[09:23] <serenity> i would be possible when u set up group-settings
[09:23] <raphink> sorry
[09:23] <raphink> I mean /usr/share/applications
[09:23] <serenity> but to complicated
[09:23] <raphink> ah
[09:26] <SurfnKid> Hi
[09:27] <SurfnKid> How can I check for errors on hard drives
[09:27] <raphink> hi SurfnKid
[09:27] <raphink> you mean on filesystems?
[09:28] <SurfnKid> yeah
[09:28] <raphink> run fsck
[09:28] <SurfnKid> booted and got error on device hdc I/O logical block 0
[09:29] <raphink> are you sure hdc is a hard drive ?
[09:29] <raphink> isn't it the cdrom/dvdrom?
[09:29] <SurfnKid> mm
[09:29] <SurfnKid> oh
[09:30] <SurfnKid> good point i forgot hda is hdd, hdc is cdrom
[09:30] <SurfnKid> :P
[09:30] <SurfnKid> nevermind then
[09:30] <raphink> hehe
[09:30] <raphink> then check your CD/DVD ;)
[09:30] <SurfnKid> now i remember that it gives errors now and then
[09:30] <Armagguedes> how is responsible for the DejaVu font?
[09:31] <SurfnKid> still wanna check my hdd, is there a utility
[09:31] <Armagguedes> forget it, found it (sourceforge)
[09:32] <raphink> SurfnKid: you can check filesystems using fsck
[09:32] <Armagguedes> how do i check the version of a font i have installed?
[09:33] <SurfnKid> raphink: k
[09:33] <raphink> Armagguedes: dpkg -L
[09:33] <raphink> sorrry -l
[09:33] <raphink> dpkg -l
[09:33] <raphink> will tell you the version of an installed package
[09:33] <SurfnKid> raphink: warns that i shouldnt on mounted systems
[09:33] <raphink> SurfnKid: then unmount it
[09:33] <raphink> ;)
[09:34] <raphink> if it's not your /
[09:34] <raphink> ;)
[09:34] <SurfnKid> oh
[09:34] <SurfnKid> and if it is, will it automatically check all this on bootup?
[09:34] <raphink> if there is a problem with your /, it should be checked at bootup
[09:35] <SurfnKid> ok then forget it
[09:35] <SurfnKid> not worried :)
[09:35] <raphink> otherwise
[09:35] <raphink> you can run
[09:35] <raphink> shutdown -r -F now
[09:35] <SurfnKid> whats that do
[09:35] <raphink> to reboot and force checking hard drives
[09:35] <SurfnKid> ah ok
[09:35] <Armagguedes> raphink ok tks
[09:36] <SurfnKid> thanks brb
[09:39] <serenity> is there a sidebar available for linux?
[09:40] <raphink> a sidebar?
[09:40] <raphink> how do you mean?
[09:40] <serenity> like on vista...got this on my xp
[09:40] <raphink> you mean a sidebar in konqueror with the history and stuff ?
[09:41] <raphink> serenity: sorry I don't use vista so i don't know what you're talkinga bout
[09:41] <serenity> no, a sidebar on my desktop
[09:41] <serenity> mom
[09:41] <raphink> what is that for?
[09:41] <raphink> what does it do?
[09:41] <raphink> you can surely put a bar on the side
[09:41] <raphink> but sidebar stands for no special behaviour/fuctionality for me
[09:41] <serenity> http://www.tgtsoft.com/images/ss/media_album.jpg   somethink like this
[09:41] <raphink> unless you tell me what you want it to do
[09:42] <raphink> ah
[09:42] <raphink> !
[09:42] <ubotu> raphink: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:42] <raphink> a widget
[09:42] <raphink> :)
[09:42] <raphink> ubotu: :p
[09:42] <ubotu> raphink: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:42] <raphink> serenity: with kde you can use superkaramba for such things
[09:43] <raphink> look at superkaramba stuff on kde-look.org
[09:43] <serenity> ok
[09:43] <serenity> thanks
[09:43] <raphink> http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=38&PHPSESSID=1ac381e18360f1f00da0344ba7d7eedf
[09:43] <raphink> there
[09:43] <raphink> you'll need to install the superkaramba package
[09:46] <xst> When I write in kopete there is an enormous latency on the cursor. If I hold down e.g. the left-key, the curser may continue to struggle slowly to the left several seconds after I have released the button. Any ideas why?
[09:46] <KuLover> Heya, I my motherboard has failed and if I replace it with a different one, will I have problems booting? Is there something I should do to prepair Kubuntu?
[09:47] <xst> In general my desktop seems very much slower after I upgraded from breezy to dapper.
[09:47] <raphink> xst: kde 3.5 is slower than 3.4 imo
[09:48] <uniq> kulover: no, i think kubuntu should figure that out without help.
[09:48] <xst> Any ideas why? Upgrading to a SLOWER version is rarely preferrable. :-(
[09:49] <h3sp4wn_> xst: Try the latest kanotix live cd - kde doesn't have to be slow
[09:50] <h3sp4wn_> xst: I am trying to work out what they do differently to make it run so much quicker
[09:51] <xst> h3sp4wn_: Cool! Cause, I really think the dapper is extreamly slow.
[09:51] <h3sp4wn_> xst: What spec of machine ?
[09:53] <xst> h3sp4wn_: Athlon XP 2000+, 512 MB, Matrox G500. (But as you know, kubuntu was ok fast on breezy)
[09:53] <KuLover> Heya, My motherboard has failed and if I replace it with a different one, will I have problems booting? Is there something I should do to prepair Kubuntu?
[09:54] <uniq> kulover: no, kubuntu will handle it.
[09:54] <h3sp4wn_> xst: I have Athlon XP 2600, 1gb ram - that kubuntu is reasonably quick on (using the real time preempt kernel patch and 2.6.16 - no other patches)
[09:55] <h3sp4wn_> However on my p3 900 laptop with 256mb kubuntu is dog slow but kanotix runs as fast as my desktop does (it seems anyway)
[09:55] <KuLover> Uniq, Coolness thanks a bunch. I worry about one thing though, what about hard drive controller drivers? Will it take care of that too?
[09:57] <DjDarkman> hy ,is running shh anf ftp on my pc insecure?
[09:58] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: ssh: yes, on the default configuration
[09:58] <DjDarkman> kbrooks: and how can I configure it to be secure?
[09:59] <The_Fallen> hi
[09:59] <uniq> kulover: yes. everything should work. if you connect the harddrives in the same order on the same controllers as the old mb.
[09:59] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: people scan for ssh servers and if one is found, they focus ALL their resources on that ssh server
[09:59] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: they guess passwords
[10:00] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: attack that field
[10:00] <KuLover> I'm pretty sure I wil have to reconfigure my fstab though.. no big problem though
[10:00] <The_Fallen> i wanna play MP3s with amarok and the FAQ says I have to install the package libxine-extracodecs... but this one doesn't seem to exist?!
[10:00] <DjDarkman> but if I have a hard password?
[10:00] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: hard password? THIS is not a hard password:
[10:00] <kbrooks><PHONE_NUMBER>1111111111111111111111111111
[10:00] <kbrooks> but THIS is:
[10:01] <kbrooks> z2f6k7j5hk75
[10:01] <kbrooks> but thats not memorable
[10:01] <BrigadierFrog> kbrooks: thats not a hard password
[10:01] <BrigadierFrog> kbrooks: %gg!87.$ is
[10:01] <DjDarkman> yeah but AFedgf24fefefEEeeeefef is harder
[10:01] <rothgar_> The_Fallen: did you edit your repositories?
[10:02] <rothgar_> The_Fallen: the package is probably there just not in the repositories there by default
[10:03] <Snake[Away] > DjDarkman: I could crack that in about 4 hours.
[10:03] <Snake[Away] > what BrigadierFrog said would be more difficult
[10:03] <kbrooks> why, Snake[Away]
[10:03] <Snake[Away] > kbrooks: why is it more difficult?
[10:03] <Snake[Away] > is that what your asking?
[10:03] <kbrooks> no, the former
[10:03] <DjDarkman> so i should use upper lower case chars ,number and special chars
[10:03] <The_Fallen> rothgar_: yeah, i enabled universe and multiverse repositories
[10:04] <kbrooks> <Snake[Away] > DjDarkman: I could crack that in about 4 hours. -> why?
[10:04] <Snake[Away] > kbrooks: Because its a bunch of the same letters in a row
[10:04] <kbrooks> ah
[10:05] <Snake[Away] > kbrooks: how most password scanners work is they will go through the aphebete, then numbers, but say your password is... hiie when it figures out the i, it will try i for the next thing as well
[10:05] <DjDarkman> can you give me an example of a password that will take at least a year to crack?
[10:05] <Snake[Away] > DjDarkman: something from gpg
[10:05] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: a year?
[10:05] <Snake[Away] > Alright I gotta go take a shower, ill bbl
[10:06] <BrigadierFrog> Snake[Away] : I wonder... can you even crack sha1 ? hmmm ? hahaha
[10:06] <DjDarkman> gpg ,as in general password generator?
[10:06] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: GPG as in gnupg
[10:06] <Snake[Away] > kbrooks: DjDarkman: a gpg encrypted password takes generally an upwords around 2-5 years depending on how much encryption it is, and what kind of scanner/attacker the person is using
[10:06] <Snake[Away] > and what kind of machine the attacker is using
[10:06] <kbrooks> DjDarkman: as in "gnu privacy guard"
[10:06] <Snake[Away] > openpgp etc
[10:07] <Snake[Away] > ANYWHO Shower
[10:07] <Snake[Away] > :)
[10:07] <DjDarkman> can you give me a link explaining this gnu privacy guard?
[10:10] <brandon> what's the command to start kde from the command line?
[10:10] <DjDarkman> kde :)
[10:10] <DjDarkman> i think
[10:11] <thoreauputic> startkde
[10:11] <thoreauputic> or  startx $(startkde)
[10:11] <thoreauputic> oops
[10:12] <thoreauputic> startx $(which starkde)
[10:12] <thoreauputic> minus the typo :/
[10:12] <DjDarkman> he`s gone
[10:15] <jme__> q. when i do apt-get and get .deb from the official ubuntu repository, the .deb are authenticated via a cryptographic signrature, correct ?
[10:16] <uniq> jme__: yes, that's correct.
[10:16] <jme__> uniq: you are positively sure ?
[10:16] <jme__> i mean i got people telling me otherwise
[10:16] <jme__> just want to know :)
[10:16] <thoreauputic> jme__: there's gpg key IIRC
[10:17] <thoreauputic> apt checks gpg and md5sum I think
[10:17] <jme__> ok thanks
[10:18] <thoreauputic> jme__: see man apt-key
[10:18] <raphink> yes
[10:20] <jme__> willl look thanks
[10:20] <uniq> jme__: take a look at "man apt-secure" too (alt+f2 "#apt-secure")
[10:22] <armedking> Anyone know what frontend the kicker applet "Public file server" uses in KDE cause i want the same in gnome.
[10:23] <square_head> hello
[10:23] <square_head> How can I disable shift + backspace to dont kill my X ?
[10:24] <Snake> square_head: are you running XGL?
[10:24] <square_head> yes
[10:24] <Snake> Otherwise it shouldnt
[10:24] <square_head> its verry annoying :|
[10:24] <Snake> square_head: hang on, I got a command for it, i gotta go on my other comp and get it
[10:24] <square_head> *very
[10:24] <square_head> ok thank you
[10:25] <uniq> square_head:  put this in your X config... Section "ServerFlags"
[10:25] <uniq> Option "DontZap" EndSection
[10:25] <nico8481> armedking: have a look at "ps -ef" output while it runs
[10:26] <square_head> ok and if something goes wrong
[10:26] <square_head> how do I kill it?
[10:26] <armedking> oke i will, Tnx for your time man
[10:26] <uniq> square_head: let's start all over again, my paste got all messed up.
[10:26] <uniq> square_head: wait
[10:26] <Snake> Dont do that man
[10:26] <oomph_> has anyone installed Vmware version 5.5.1 on Kubuntu?
[10:26] <oomph_> im having issues getting it to run
[10:27] <square_head> oomph_,  I did
[10:27] <oomph_> has anyone got a link or how-to on it?
[10:27] <snikker> what package can i install for use mplayer embeeded in firefox?
[10:27] <uniq> square_head: Section "ServerFlags" \n Option "DontZap" \n EndSection - where \n is new line.
[10:27] <oomph_> the problem im experiencing is Libpng issues
[10:27] <Snake> square_head: just type in "xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace"
[10:27] <Snake> oops
[10:27] <Snake> no thats right
[10:27] <Armagguedes> how do i install a website root certificate (cacert.crt) in order to use my wifi?
[10:27] <Snake> square_head: that first quote should be there
[10:27] <Snake> shouldnt***
[10:27] <Snake> damn it!
[10:28] <oomph_> square_head did you experience that problem when installing?
[10:28] <Snake> square_head: here, incase you didnt get it: xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace"
[10:28] <Snake> will fix it
[10:28] <square_head> oomph_,  yes, with some librabry, I did a search on ubuntuforums and it was a comand ln -s
[10:28] <nico8481> snikker: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats#head-e25afe1552d3a818f60e64143931b2d8e0522267
[10:28] <square_head> Snake,  then how i will restart my x ?
[10:28] <uniq> snikker: mozilla-mplayer
[10:28] <Snake> square_head: alt+ctrl+backspace? Like normal?
[10:28] <square_head> ok thank u !
[10:29] <square_head> WORKS
[10:29] <square_head> wiiiiii
[10:29] <square_head> *sorry for spam*
[10:29] <oomph_> ok let me try it
[10:29] <Snake> square_head: only thing is, you either A) have to put that in the compiz start up script at the very end, or B) put it in everytime you start the comp
[10:29] <Snake> I chose to put it in my compiz startup script
[10:29] <snikker> nico8481: thanks
[10:29] <uniq> C) add DontZap to X config :)
[10:29] <snikker> uniq: thanks
[10:29] <square_head> ye
[10:30] <DjDarkman> can I configure ssh and ftp to have a password guessing tollerance? for example if someone inputs the wrong password 10 times ,it will block it from retrying for a day or something like that?
[10:31] <uniq> djdarkman: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/250
[10:35] <Tommy2k4> what version of kde comes with kubuntu dapper
[10:35] <uniq> tommy2k4: 3.5.2
[10:35] <square_head> 3.5.3 I think
[10:35] <Hawkwind> 3.5.2 but 3.5.3 was released later that night on June 1st
[10:35] <Hawkwind> So if you update your system, you'll get 3.5.3
[10:36] <uniq> if you add kubuntu.org sources and update you'll get 3.5.3
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> what command can i type to find out what i have
[10:37] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: kde-config --version | grep KDE
[10:37] <nico8481> any idea how to add places to the system menu?
[10:39] <shredder81> how do I get it to allow me to make folders
[10:39] <Hawkwind> shredder81: Huh ?
[10:40] <shredder81> I need to create a folder and copy files to it but it will not let me
[10:40] <oomph_> im having a libpng issue installing vmware still
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> sudo chown yourusername /path/to/folder
[10:41] <Hawkwind> shredder81: mkdir is the command to make a directory, cp -a /old/path /new/path is the command to copy files
[10:41] <square_head> oomph_, hang on I will search
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> (optionallyy sudo chown yourusername:yourgroupname /path/to/folder (username and group name are the same for your default user)
[10:41] <Kmirno> maybe sudo chown -R yourusername /path/to/folder will suit you better
[10:41] <oomph_> thx
[10:41] <Kmirno> the -R for recusiv
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> If its a new folder the recursive shouldn't be needed
[10:42] <square_head> paste the error
[10:43] <oomph_> ok its 4 lines
[10:43] <oomph_> vmware
[10:43] <oomph_> /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
[10:43] <oomph_> /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
[10:43] <oomph_> /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
[10:43] <neko> does anyone know if there's a fix yet for printing under dapper?
[10:44] <uniq> oomph_: please, don't paste in the channel.
[10:44] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[10:44] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[10:44] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, good ole pastebin :)
[10:44] <oomph_> ok
[10:44] <oomph_> my bad
[10:45] <square_head> oomph_,
[10:46] <square_head> oomph_, sudo cp /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/
[10:46] <oomph_> yes
[10:46] <square_head> this worked for me
[10:46] <square_head> tell me if it works.
[10:46] <oomph_> doesnt work
[10:47] <oomph_> just starts and stops
[10:47] <oomph_> no error
[10:47] <square_head> wait I had the same issue
[10:47] <oomph_> ok
[10:48] <_buz> !kopete 0.12
[10:48] <ubotu> _buz: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:48] <_buz> !kopete
[10:48] <ubotu> Kopete is the KDE IM, supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more. See http://kopete.kde.org
[10:49] <square_head> oomph_, did vmware install put a desktop icon ?
[10:49] <oomph_> sec
[10:49] <oomph_> checking
[10:50] <oomph_> no it did not
[10:50] <square_head> re-run vmware-config.pl using sudo, and put all the parameters correctly
[10:50] <square_head> hope it helps
[10:51] <oomph_> ok let me try
[10:52] <neko> does anyone know how to get printing working after updating to dapper?
[10:52] <Snake> !flash
[10:52] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:53] <SurfnKid> is there a player i could use via the command line
[10:53] <SurfnKid> without using GUI
[10:53] <Hawkwind> SurfnKid: mplayer
[10:54] <SurfnKid> Hawkwind: for instance, i dontw ant to use a desktop manager
[10:54] <SurfnKid> i want to do everything on terminal mode
[10:54] <SurfnKid> and have a radio station i want to stream
[10:55] <Hawkwind> mplayer as I stated
[10:55] <SurfnKid> ok
[10:55] <SurfnKid> i got xfmedia but let me install that one
[10:55] <DaSkreech> SurfnKid: Yeah there are players
[10:55] <DaSkreech> It's kind of hard to pull up stuff you can't do on the CLI
[10:56] <DaSkreech> like UT :)
[10:56] <SurfnKid> right
[10:57] <SurfnKid> bah
[10:57] <SurfnKid> i hate routers
[10:57] <SurfnKid> i cant apt-get again
[10:57] <jerry> is ubuntu and kubuntu pretty much the same?
[10:57] <SurfnKid> can i set up a proxy on another laptop and go thru it
[10:57] <oomph> square: im still getting the same error
[10:57] <raphink> jerry: yes
[10:58] <raphink> jerry: it's the same distro, with a different default DE
[10:58] <_buz> jerry: kubuntu uses kde as desktop, other than that yes
[10:58] <Tommy2k4> whats the parameters to untar a gz
[10:58] <jerry> or what's different?
[10:58] <square_head> oomph, it doesnt show ?
[10:58] <raphink> jerry: as _buz said, kubuntu uses KDE by default, ubuntu uses GNOME by default, Xubuntu is XFCE
[10:58] <uniq> tommy2k4: tar -zxvf file.tar.gz
[10:58] <oomph> nope, same error after full reinstall
[10:58] <square_head> that one with the lib?
[10:58] <jerry> can I run gnome?
[10:58] <Tommy2k4> time to write that down
[10:58] <Tommy2k4> i always forget
[10:59] <raphink> jerry: sur eyou can if you like it ;)
[10:59] <jerry> or is there a command that I can type to launch gnome?
[10:59] <_buz> can someone point me to the kopete 0.12 deb (again)?
[10:59] <raphink> jerry: you have to install gnome
[10:59] <raphink> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:59] <raphink> will install gnome with the ubuntu settings
[10:59] <raphink> whereas sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop installs kde with the kubuntu settings
[10:59] <raphink> etc.
[10:59] <jerry> aww it says it can't find it :(
[10:59] <DaSkreech> then you can type gdm at the prompt
[11:00] <raphink> jerry: can't find what?
[11:00] <SurfnKid> i have kubuntu and its lighter than ubuntu
[11:00] <SurfnKid> if you lack memory
[11:00] <raphink> SurfnKid: I doubt so
[11:00] <raphink> if you lack memory and/or power, xubuntu is the lightest of the official DE/WM in ubuntu
[11:01] <SurfnKid> raphink: sorry i meant Xubuntu
[11:01] <SurfnKid> raphink: yes, not kubuntu
[11:01] <raphink> ah ok
[11:01] <SurfnKid> raphink: Kubuntu is heavier i thought
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> uniq, is there a tar parameter to extract it to a folder the name of the tar
[11:01] <raphink> SurfnKid: GNOME and KDE are about the same
[11:01] <SurfnKid> dam those alphabet letters :P
[11:01] <SurfnKid> K, X ,U
[11:01] <DaSkreech> E
[11:01] <raphink> SurfnKid: yeah, alphabet is hard
[11:01] <SurfnKid> oh right Edubuntu
[11:02] <raphink> where did you stop?
[11:02] <raphink> Ebuntu even
[11:02] <raphink> although so far I don't want to see it
[11:02] <SurfnKid> ther'es also MacUbuntu and Whataubuntu
[11:02] <SurfnKid> hehe
[11:02] <raphink> neko: you mean ubuntu server I guess then ;)
[11:02] <DaSkreech> Klu Klux even
[11:02] <andred> _buz: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[11:02] <uniq> tommy2k4: no, make the dir first. and untar in it.
[11:03] <neko> raphink: pretty much ;o)
[11:03] <_buz> andred: thanks
[11:03] <Tommy2k4> k
[11:04] <neko> actually, does anyone know if ubuntu dapper has the same printing problems as kubuntu dapper?
[11:05] <raphink> neko: no
[11:05] <raphink> neko: the problems mostly come from the fact that an svn version of cupsys was used
[11:05] <neko> ack, so much for that plan
[11:05] <raphink> and the people who pushed it are gnome users, so they adjusted gnome to make it work with it
[11:05] <ICXCNIKA> Anyone tried PCLinuxOS? I'm kind of conflicted between it and Kubuntu as far as which OS to start out with.
[11:05] <raphink> but just forgot to tell us that it wouldn't work
[11:06] <raphink> ICXCNIKA: I wouldn't be conflicted if I were you ;)
[11:06] <neko> raphink: are there any fixes around do you know?
[11:06] <uniq> it barely works with gnome too though..
[11:06] <SurfnKid> whats a good proxy ?
[11:06] <raphink> neko: not that I know of
[11:06] <uniq> surfnkid: squid.
[11:06] <SurfnKid> uniq: can you go thru all ports
[11:06] <neko> ack, thanks anyway
[11:06] <raphink> uniq: I quite don't understand why this svn version of cups was kept while final was released
[11:06] <uniq> surfnkid: you can make it do whatever you want.
[11:06] <SurfnKid> uniq: sweet
[11:06] <Snake> !kde
[11:07] <Snake> !kde3.5.3
[11:07] <ubotu> well, kde3.5.3 is to upgrade to KDE3.5.3, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:07] <iNiku> ICXCNIKA: what's the selling point of PCLinuxOS? I've never even heard of it
[11:07] <raphink> iNiku: PClinuxOS is based on Mandriva
[11:07] <iNiku> ICXCNIKA: I would go for a widely known and used distro, easier to get support that way...
[11:07] <ubuntu_> ha
[11:07] <uniq> raphink: me neither, and the hacking to make cups fubar seems to me very unnecessary, as cups is just fine by default. What's wrong with printing in breezy? it works.
[11:07] <raphink> it's a derivative of Mandriva
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> raphink: Just install the final from the debian sid sources
[11:07] <iNiku> raphink: ah, ok
[11:07] <raphink> so it's rpm based to begin with ;)
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> raphrink: apt-get source (don't try installing the binary debs)
[11:08] <raphink> h3sp4wn: I'd say rebuild it first ;)
[11:08] <iNiku> too many distros
[11:08] <ICXCNIKA> Well, apparently it is based off of Mandriva. But it comes with Java, video drivers, and such already built into it.
[11:08] <raphink> h3sp4wn: is it me you're talking to about cups ?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> iNiku: Not enough hard Drive space
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> raphink: I think so but I am not sure (going a little crazy at this moment)
[11:08] <SurfnKid> uniq: proxy cache proxy server, same meaning?
[11:09] <raphink> h3sp4wn: ok
[11:09] <uniq> surfnkid: yes.
[11:09] <SurfnKid> k
[11:09] <Hawkwind> PcLinuxOS is not a derivative of Mandriva.  It's a complete and seperate fork and not something Mandriva has anything to do with
[11:09] <fokus> ave wszystkim
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> uniq: squid-prefetch is still broken in dapper (making the package useless)
[11:09] <Hawkwind> Texstar used to be a Mandrake packager, he left and started PcLinuxOS and use Mandrake as the base
[11:09] <fokus> mam szybklie pytanie gdzie mozna znalezc flash playera w wersji 8
[11:09] <Hawkwind> s/use/used
[11:10] <fokus> sorry
[11:10] <uniq> h3sp4wn: what? is it?
[11:10] <ICXCNIKA> I see. Have you used it before Hawkwind?
[11:10] <Tommy2k4> what packages must i install to be able to configure and make
[11:10] <fokus> this is a bad channel
[11:10] <Hawkwind> ICXCNIKA: Yes.  I also use Mandriva so I know how PcLinuxOS works
[11:10] <fokus> bay
[11:10] <Hawkwind> PcLinuxOS uses apt-get instead of urpmi like Mandriva does
[11:10] <uniq> h3sp4wn: i just upgraded a proxy server for a client friday, from breezy to dapper. hope they don't use prefetching.
[11:12] <raphink> ICXCNIKA: from previous experiences with Mandriva, I woulnd't use a mandriva or mandriva-based distro
[11:12] <raphink> ICXCNIKA: but you can make your own experience ;)
[11:12] <Armagguedes> how do i install a website root certificate (cacert.crt) in order to use my wifi?
[11:13] <iNiku> Armagguedes: huh?
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Its a script which prefetches stuff based on what you have been to previously
[11:13] <iNiku> what does a website certificate have to do with wifi?
[11:13] <Hawkwind> raphink: Though I do have to admit I'm switching my main OS from Mandriva to Kubuntu this week :)
[11:13] <raphink> Hawkwind: I expect graphical configuration tools to not bork my config when I have modified it manually
[11:13] <Armagguedes> iNiku in my univ in order to use the WiFi network they require us to install a root certificate
[11:13] <uniq> h3sp4wn: yes, i know, i had it running on a debian proxy at another clients site.
[11:14] <Hawkwind> raphink: Wait!  That's what Mandriva is famous for though.  Is their broken GUI tools
[11:14] <Hawkwind> Heh
[11:14] <raphink> and the mandriva drakes are the most horrible tools I know for this
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Its broken in debian though also
[11:14] <raphink> sure Hawkwind
[11:14] <raphink> but a distro with bad admin tools is not a good distro for me
[11:14] <ICXCNIKA> Does anyone know of a good link for the Dapper Drake ISOs? The US links seem to freeze up on me.
[11:14] <Hawkwind> raphink: They just came out with a new one a couple months back.  kiosk, it's a webbased package installer
[11:14] <nnn0> us sucks :D
[11:14] <raphink> ICXCNIKA: just try another one then :)
[11:15] <iNiku> Armagguedes: umm. okay.
[11:15] <Hawkwind> ICXCNIKA: I use the ones in Europe personally and I'm in the US
[11:15] <jpatrick> !tell VICIOuS about sources
[11:15] <raphink> Hawkwind: like CnR ?
[11:15] <Hawkwind> ICXCNIKA: I always good the best speeds with swiss or the norway mirrors
[11:15] <Armagguedes> iNiku at least its what's on the windows vpn page
[11:15] <ICXCNIKA> Yeah. I'm using Estonia's link.
[11:15] <Armagguedes> the dont have a linux guide
[11:15] <Hawkwind> raphink: No not that drastic.  It installs bundles of packages, like it has KDE in one big bundle instead of all seperate rpms
[11:16] <raphink> Hawkwind: what's the point?
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Do you use hostapd at all ?
[11:16] <Hawkwind> raphink: I've asked that a hundred times over.  They say it's to make package installation easier
[11:16] <uniq> h3sp4wn: it just dies,it's not that important with prefetching. But it's nice to know that it doesn't work.
[11:16] <raphink> Hawkwind: haha
[11:16] <raphink> ok
[11:16] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: nope, I have a dedicated wlan router
[11:17] <Hawkwind> raphink: Thing is, if you install Mandriva One from the Live CD, kiosk won't work for you.  They have it so screwed up it's not funny
[11:17] <iNiku> Armagguedes: ah, so it's for a vpn. you'll need a compatible vpn client first, then look into configuring the CA certificate into that
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> uniq: http://pastebin.com/715443 (I got that patch from somewhere which makes at least not die immediately)
[11:18] <iNiku> Armagguedes: sorry, don't have any real help for you, I haven't done much vpn stuff and it depends on what your university is using, anyway
[11:19] <Armagguedes> ok tks anyy
[11:19] <Armagguedes> *anyway*
[11:19] <Armagguedes> at least i made some progress
[11:19] <Armagguedes> now i need a vpn client
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> uniq: I think if something is so broken it should either be removed or at least patched so it semi works
[11:19] <Armagguedes> anyone know of one?
[11:19] <Tommy2k4> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:19] <uniq> h3sp4wn: thanks. I agree completely.
[11:19] <Tommy2k4> how can i fix that
[11:19] <iNiku> Armagguedes: there are several
[11:19] <jpatrick> !xlibs
[11:19] <ubotu> I guess xlibs is needed for cedega and opera.  use the xlibs-dev package
[11:20] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: that afaik^
[11:20] <iNiku> Armagguedes: the question is, which one or ones will work with whatever your university is using
[11:20] <_buz> Armagguedes: if your uni is using cisco vpn, kvpn ist your friend
[11:20] <iNiku> Armagguedes: openvpn is one. openswan is another.
[11:20] <_buz> that and vpnc
[11:20] <Tommy2k4> k
[11:20] <Armagguedes> how can i find find what vpn my college is using?
[11:20] <TheHighChild> This Help pages
[11:21] <TheHighChild> What school do you go to Armagguedes?
[11:21] <Armagguedes> Instituto Superior Tecnico, in Lisbon, Portugal
[11:22] <TheHighChild> Well, I would have tried searching your Help Pages but I don't read Protugese, sorry
[11:23] <ICXCNIKA> Grrr, these sites freeze like after 14%
[11:23] <ICXCNIKA> Eh, just try another one.
[11:24] <SurfnKid> How can i set the squid settings
[11:25] <Armagguedes> how do i insert a matrix into OOo Writer?
[11:25] <Armagguedes> TheHighChild tks anyway
[11:25] <Armagguedes> i've already searched the Helpdesk
[11:25] <Armagguedes> no luck
[11:26] <flow> #pao
[11:27] <Tommy2k4> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:27] <Tommy2k4> what package name do i need
[11:27] <iNiku> Armagguedes: well, what do they tell you to use on windows?
[11:27] <Bazzi> apt-cache search qt3
[11:27] <Bazzi> :)
[11:28] <square_head> how I can reset KWallet password?
[11:28] <square_head> I don't remember it and its annoying everytime its requesting for password
[11:29] <raphink> I don't remember that
[11:29] <raphink> I'd say remove .kwallet
[11:29] <JavaByte> my monitor (which is plug and play) is detected as 640x480 and hsync 28.0-33.0 and vsync 43-72 when it is in fact a 1280x1024 with hsync 30-70 vsync 50-120, how do i change it
[11:29] <raphink> we might remove kwallet in edgy
[11:29] <raphink> should ask tonio about that btw
[11:30] <square_head> edgy?
[11:30] <square_head> what is edgy :)
[11:30] <erov> just use the wallet
[11:30] <erov> change it from the wallet program
[11:30] <Alien_Freak> hi all
[11:30] <raphink> square_head: edgy is the new version of ubuntu, coming after dapper
[11:31] <Alien_Freak> I downloaded the latest Dapper release for Kubunut, do I need to do anything special do install it on the macbook pro?
[11:31] <square_head> cool
[11:31] <Alien_Freak> or can someone point me in the right direction?
[11:31] <raphink> Alien_Freak: did you look on the wiki?
[11:31] <JavaByte> theres a how to on the forums iirc
[11:31] <raphink> I haven't tried intel mac
[11:31] <raphink> macs
[11:31] <raphink> but I know it's doable
[11:32] <square_head> rrors were encountered while processing:
[11:32] <square_head>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdm_4%3a3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
[11:32] <square_head> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:32] <Alien_Freak> hmm.. link for the wiki?  i'm a bit new at the [uk] buntu
[11:32] <raphink> Alien_Freak: go on http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:32] <raphink> and search :)
[11:32] <Armagguedes> iNiku what do you mean?
[11:33] <iNiku> Armagguedes: do the windows instructions say to download and use some specific vpn client, or what?
[11:33] <iNiku> that would give a clue as to what kind of a vpn we're talking about
[11:33] <Armagguedes> they just guide us through the "add a new connection" > "...vpn..." > etc under the _Lack of Control  Panel_
[11:33] <Armagguedes> no just the embedded client (?)
[11:33] <mitja> Hi! I mounted OS in another OS and changed all permissions to root 0755. Now it's stuck in init 2. Any suggesstions?
[11:34] <SurfnKid> can someone help me with webmin
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> Alien_Freak: You need elilo (install by debootstrap)
[11:34] <Armagguedes> then they tell us to change a whole lot of options like PEAP and such
[11:34] <oomph_> surf: what ya need?
[11:34] <SurfnKid> I just finished setting it up
[11:34] <oomph_> and?
[11:34] <SurfnKid> says use the same password as you used on the setup
[11:34] <SurfnKid> so ok
[11:34] <SurfnKid> i go to the link:10000
[11:34] <square_head> who locks this ?
[11:34] <square_head> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[11:34] <SurfnKid> whats the username?
[11:34] <SurfnKid> root?
[11:34] <oomph_> try root
[11:34] <SurfnKid> ok
[11:34] <oomph_> i think
[11:34] <SurfnKid> but now
[11:34] <Alien_Freak> hmmm... nothing for intel mac, macbook, macbook pro
[11:35] <ninHer> hi all
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> SurdnKid: If you have not specifically patched it for sudo then it won't work
[11:35] <square_head> nevermind
[11:35] <SurfnKid> i tried 3 times, its blocked, where's the file to unblock the file
[11:35] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: ok you just said something in chinese
[11:36] <SurfnKid> i mean wher's the file to unblock IPs
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: You will need to enable root (unless you can find some patches to make it work with sudo)
[11:36] <SurfnKid> oh ok
[11:36] <SurfnKid> i guess root would work but now im blocked
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> Its not in debian anymore due to lack of interest
[11:37] <iNiku> Armagguedes: okay, no clue then, I don't know what the standard windows vpn stuff is/does
[11:37] <iNiku> mitja: sounds like you're in for a reinstall
[11:37] <iNiku> mitja: you really shouldn't go changing permissions like that
[11:37] <iNiku> they are there for a reason.
[11:37] <Tommy2k4> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix
[11:38] <mitja> iNiku: yeah I know now, I thought they were saved in the current OS not where they were changed
[11:38] <Tommy2k4> how can i get rid ofthat error
[11:38] <Armagguedes> ok tks  iNiku
[11:38] <Armagguedes> i'll try asking elsewhere then
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> Armagguedes: If you are using ipsec the kame tools are easier to use than openswan
[11:38] <iNiku> mitja: you could compare permissions with a healthy system and restore them manually
[11:39] <Armagguedes> h3sp4wn ur speaking chinese again
[11:39] <iNiku> I didn't realize h3sp4wn was chinese :)
[11:40] <SurfnKid> grr
[11:40] <SurfnKid> doesnt work
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> I am not chinese but I like china
[11:40] <SurfnKid> heh
[11:40] <SurfnKid> napoleon dynamite is dorky
[11:41] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: where can i check for the webmin username and password
[11:42] <iNiku> Armagguedes: how about googling up ipsec, kame and openswan? you might be enlightened...
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> I haven't used it for years - try /pathto/webmin/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root newpassword
[11:43] <SurfnKid> ok
[11:43] <SurfnKid> thanx for lookin
[11:43] <SurfnKid> im doin all this just to get a pc to update thru a proxy
[11:44] <SurfnKid> apt-get doesnt go thru my router
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> huh ?
[11:44] <SurfnKid> so maybe if it goes thru a proxy it will
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> export http_proxy="http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080" is all I use to get aptitude working through a proxy
[11:45] <SurfnKid> right something like that ill have to try
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: Is it a home router ? or work ?
[11:45] <SurfnKid> i just need to set up squid
[11:45] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: home
[11:46] <SurfnKid> synaptic has the problem, its on the forum
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: Which model of router ?
[11:46] <SurfnKid> sometimes itll work sometimes it wont
[11:46] <SurfnKid> netgear
[11:46] <SurfnKid> got another laptop thatll work
[11:46] <SurfnKid> just not this vaio
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> which one ? (sometimes I have to do aptitude update twice to get it to work
[11:46] <SurfnKid> both are going wifi
[11:47] <SurfnKid> mmm
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> I do aptitude update (then control c) and then do it again
[11:47] <SurfnKid> ah
[11:47] <SurfnKid> let me try that
[11:47] <SurfnKid> error, failed to connect, unable to fetch archives.
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> are the lines in sources.list http:// or ftp://
[11:48] <SurfnKid> you know what i had to do to get it working?  Internet connection sharing thru my laptop's wifi card, while that was directly connected to the DSLmodem. and That worked
[11:48] <SurfnKid> ok cool
[11:48] <SurfnKid> are those for proxy
[11:48] <SurfnKid> oh
[11:49] <SurfnKid> um let me check
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> So you have a dsl modem connected to a netgear router (via ethernet or usb)
[11:49] <SurfnKid> yep theyre all deb http:///
[11:49] <SurfnKid> err http:?/
[11:49] <SurfnKid> bah u know what i mean
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> i do
[11:50] <SurfnKid> eth
[11:50] <SurfnKid> my Dell laptop works fine
[11:50] <SurfnKid> :(
[11:50] <SurfnKid> just not this one
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> is the ppp_mtu set right (I think that is the name for it)
[11:50] <SurfnKid> 1500
[11:50] <Tommy2k4> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!
[11:51] <Tommy2k4> how do i get rid of that error when ./configure
[11:51] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: fails on synaptic and fails on apt-get
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: You could run debmirror on the laptop I suppose (takes 12gb for the full archive)
[11:52] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, you useing E17 in ubuntu..like you was in mandriva
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: I would try the mtu at 1480
[11:52] <SurfnKid> ok
[11:52] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: ouch 12gb i only have 9gb/5gb left
[11:52] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Absolutely
[11:53] <mikkelk> heu
[11:53] <mikkelk> hey
[11:54] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, where do i find it at..i find E16 in synaptic
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> e-17 cvs
[11:54] <raphink> loanwolf: there are unofficial packages
[11:54] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Look at my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ forum.  There is a Kubuntu section and a how-to for E17
[11:54] <mikkelk> I got a problem with knetworkmanager and wpa - anyone who might be able to help?
[11:54] <raphink> but they are trashy
[11:54] <loanwolf> ok
[11:54] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: It's a how-to on compiling from CVS in fact.  It gives you the newest code and it's easy cause it uses a script
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: What wireless chipset ?
[11:55] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, ok thanks
[11:55] <mikkelk> Hmm...can't remember exactly, it's an Asus A6J laptop
[11:56] <mikkelk> I think it's intel pro wireless 3945
[11:56] <mikkelk> When i try to connect it stops at 28%
[11:57] <neko> has anyone else had any problems with kuickshow refusing to install?
[11:57] <SurfnKid> 1480 and still nothing, i gotta check those settings on the webserver to access it
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> mikkelk: I don't know much about those cards try looking in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes (and remove knetworkmanager) anything you don't understand ask me
[11:58] <SurfnKid> h3sp4wn: can you paste the paths earlier to the password
[11:58] <loanwolf> anyone know why my screensavers will work by clicking the test button under screensavers..but why they wont auto atart
[11:58] <uniq> neko: it's removed, beeing replaced by gwenview. because the old imlib it depends on is no longer maintained.
[11:58] <mikkelk> Ok, thanks, i'll try that...
[11:58] <neko> uniq: thanks, I'll try that then
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: It will depend on where you installed it
[11:59] <SurfnKid> right
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: And it may also not be like that anymore (I last used it in 2001)
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: For people buying web hosting accounts from direct connection
[11:59] <SurfnKid> /usr/share/webmin
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> SurfnKid: Its probably easier to just install squid manually (if you are trying to install the squid webmin modules)
[12:00] <SurfnKid> yep, got it already installed
[12:00] <SurfnKid> but when i access a website
[12:00] <SurfnKid> it says it isnt permitted or allowed
[12:01] <SurfnKid> seems i gotta configure the proxy
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> hang on a min
[12:02] <JavaByte> see the advice not to change the default gfx setting if you have a ati or nvidia card - does that also apply to changing monitor settings or not?
[12:03] <SurfnKid> thx, im gonna read up on the documents
[12:03] <mikkelk> well, i don't really get it - it says that i should define af driver by "wpa-driver -something-", but which driver?