[01:00] <webbrandon> if im gonna use maas for virtual machines and juju i have to install LXC on my MAAS server correct?  Not to familiar with this yet, but running lxc-create now for node, hope im on the right track
[08:18] <rvba> Hi jtv, time for medium-sized review? https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/cluster-own-ui4/+merge/213848
[08:57] <rvba> gmb: arg, found a critical bug in maas-test (https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas-test/+bug/1301815).
[08:58] <rvba> gmb: I thought maas-test would still work (but drop the simplestreams config) but since it explicitly runs the (now gone) maas-import-ephemerals it breaks completely with recent packages.
[08:58] <gmb> rvba: Ack. So the fix is just to drop that call?
[08:58] <rvba> gmb: if /etc/maas/bootimages.yaml is there: drop that call
[08:59] <rvba> gmb: next step would be to add a way to customize /etc/maas/bootimages.yaml but that can be done later.
[08:59] <gmb> rvba: Right. Want me to take this? Once I’ve done reviewing I’m free.
[08:59] <rvba> gmb: Okay, thanks.
[08:59] <gmb> Cool.
[13:20] <blake_r> rvba: allenap: I was out yesterday. But the new import script does provide the UEFI files, and I have tested it with daily-qa, two days ago
[13:27] <rvba> blake_r: all right, thanks a lot.
[13:41] <jtv> Anybody want to review a validator for Node.hostname?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/bug-1300059/+merge/214032
[14:18] <rvba> jtv: what happens if someone has existing nodes with invalid hostnames?  I mean, after this lands on existing installations with invalid hostnames.
[14:21] <jtv> They can't save with the broken hostname.
[14:21] <jtv> But they can keep it in the database for as long as they like.
[14:23] <rvba> jtv: which means you won't be able to change *any* field on these nodes.
[14:23] <jtv> Unless you also change the hostname.
[14:23] <rvba> Right.
[14:24] <jtv> I know that's harsh, but I have no sympathy at all.  :)
[14:25] <rvba> jtv: I can see that :)
[14:26] <rvba> I agree with you on the principle… just trying to think what kind of pain this can inflict on users.
[14:28] <jtv> I think it's pain we simply have to go through.  We could smooth it by warning about bad hostnames.
[14:30] <rvba> jtv: not sure it's worth it.  It won't help people using the API/CLI at all.
[14:31] <jtv> Right...  And to be honest, I hope that nobody will have gotten this wrong.  Except maybe the underscores.
[14:33] <rvba> jtv: not entirely happy with the multiple error messages that a user could get when trying to enter invalid hostnames:
[14:33] <rvba> I can imagine a user spending quite some time trying to figure out what the allowed format is.
[14:34] <jtv> A network administrator not being able to figure out the allowed format for hostnames?  I doubt it.
[14:35] <rvba> jtv: but I mean, the error message should not only tell you about the error, it should also state what a valid hostname should look like (even if it's just a mention of the proper RFC)
[14:36] <jtv> Can you give me an example of how you have gotten this wrong recently, and what documentation you looked up to resolve it?
[14:36] <jtv> Or preferably, somebody who manages systems and networks?
[14:36] <jtv> It just seems outlandish to me.
[14:37] <bladernr_> hey, how often does MAAS update it's ephemerals and PXE files?  I'm using it to do a lot of trusty type dev and testing, and want to be sure that it's pulling whatever the latest trusty bits are.
[14:37] <jtv> It's either weekly, or manually only — let me check.
[14:38] <jtv> bladernr_: once a week.
[14:38] <rvba> jtv: yeah, I might be splitting hairs a bit.  I'll review your branch now :)
[14:38] <bladernr_> I was under the impression MAAS was supposed to update itself once you did the initial update... if that's not the case, we definitely need to know as we're requiring MAAS for cert now :/
[14:39] <jtv> rvba: Thanks.  Maybe it's just the voice of laziness, but I feel "hostname" should be obvious to someone who manages hosts.  :)
[14:39] <rvba> btw, branch up for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/reporting-bug-1301809/+merge/213984
[14:39] <jtv> I'll take it next.
[14:39] <rvba> Or you can leave it to gmb or allenap. :)
[14:40] <jtv> bladernr_: it refreshes its copies of the boot images once a week.
[14:40] <bladernr_> ahhh  ok
[14:40] <bladernr_> so running maas-import-pxe-files is essentially a manual update that can be run whenever necessary, yeah?
[14:40] <jtv> Technically, that has nothing to do with that initial manual download.  We just ask people to do the manual download so they don't have to wait a week to start working.  :)
[14:41] <jtv> As you say, it's just a manual update that you can run anytime, in addition to the weekly update.
[14:41] <bladernr_> ahhh, ok.  Hah... I thought there was some sort of magic sauce in MAAS that was triggered by the first download... tricksie you are
[14:41] <jtv> It can also be triggered from the UI.
[14:41] <rvba> jtv: btw, I'm quite surprise that we don't have a hostname validator somewhere that we can re-use…
[14:41] <rvba> surprised* even
[14:41] <jtv> So am I.  The Apache foundation seems to have something in Java, but...
[14:41] <bladernr_> jtv: cool.  Thanks for the confirmation/clarification.  That's exactly what I needed to know.
[14:42] <jtv> np
[14:42] <jtv> rvba: Django has built-in URL and email validators, though I'm not sure they're as thorough as mine.
[14:42] <jtv> Actually, without meaning to brag, I'm fairly confident they aren't.
[14:43] <jtv> I considered tricks like "put http:// in front and see if it's a valid URL" — but that's susceptible to all sorts of mistakes.
[14:43] <jtv> rvba: ah _that_ MP...  I saw that earlier and didn't review it because there was no commit message and no description.  I thought it was a WIP.
[14:44] <rvba> jtv: I just came across http://python-jsonschema.readthedocs.org/en/latest/validate/#validating-formats
[14:45] <rvba> jtv: rarg, the commit message didn't get through.  Fixed now.
[14:45] <jtv> Hadn't seen that one.  I'll have a closer look.
[14:47] <jtv> rvba: the jsonschema one isn't very thorough either.  :/
[14:47] <jtv> It'll even disallow some names that I _think_ are valid.
[14:48] <jtv> On the other hand, it looks like it'll allow "..." as a hostname.  :-)
[14:48] <rvba> jtv: how can you tell?  It's not very clear in the doc what it does.  Are you looking at the code?
[15:20] <jtv> rvba: yeah, I read the code.
[15:24] <rvba> jtv: question for you.  I'd like to add a tiny notification next to 'Clusters' at the top of the page when some of the clusters need attention from the user.  More precisely, I'd like to display the number of pending clusters + the number of accepted clusters with no boot images.
[15:24] <rvba> jtv: but I'm afraid this would be a bit too expensive to compute to display it on every page…
[15:26] <rvba> jtv: I didn't try to measure the time it takes to compute the number of accepted clusters with no boot images yet… but I guess I could try to see how it goes.
[15:26] <rvba> jtv: well, it's not really a question… but I'd welcome your opinion on that :)
[15:27] <jtv> I think it's a good idea, and I don't expect that much performance overhead.  Clusters are smaller in the database than nodes, and we expect fewer of them.
[15:27] <jtv> The real question is what feedback to show.  That sounds like it needs UI design.
[15:27] <jtv> The flavour-of-the-week UI, I guess, would be to show a red field over the Clusters tab with the number of items that need attention.
[15:28] <rvba> jtv: I've got an idea about that.
[15:28] <jtv> ?
[15:28] <rvba> jtv: exactly.  I already have a couple of CSS class to do precisely that.
[15:28] <rvba> classes*
[15:29] <jtv> But much more a question for UX people than for Unix people, if you'll pardon the pun.
[15:31] <rvba> Right, I'll put a mockup together.
[16:41] <AskUbuntu> MAAS networking | http://askubuntu.com/q/442957
[17:01] <rvba> gmb: did you do something earlier today to fix that 1.5 lander?  My branch got landed but now I've got another one stuck… maybe I'm just not patient enough…
[17:34] <rvba> gmb: my bad, it got merged eventually.  Just took forever.
[17:43] <blahRus> rvba: is it possible to add 14.04 yet to MAAS to deploy servers with it?
[17:45] <rvba> blahRus: yes, but you it will be much simpler to do if you use a Trusty server to run MAAS.
[17:48] <blahRus> rvba: we were getting internal servers errors all over the place with beta 2
[17:48] <blahRus> let me try it again
[17:48] <blahRus> I'll try off of a beta
[17:48] <blahRus> daily*
[17:48] <rvba> blahRus: a new version has been published recently.  I've got reports that it works okay.
[17:49] <blahRus> kk
[17:49] <rvba> 1.5+bzr2204-0ubuntu1 <- that's the version in Trusty now.
[17:49] <blahRus> kk
[18:40] <gmb> rvba: I didn’t actually do anything; I tore the instance down and started a new one. The annoying thing is that I’ve no way of debugging the lander… it gets deployed with some random SSH key that I don’t seem to have access to (maybe bigjools does).
[18:40] <gmb> Anyway, yay for things being fixed just by wishing.
[18:40] <gmb> Next up, I shall wish for plug-and-go MAAS and see what happens.
[20:54] <tych0> hi allenap, smoser: can you tell me how the new import script works?
[20:54] <tych0> so when i import images
[20:54] <tych0> immediately after that is done i try and create a node and it fails
[20:55] <tych0> (tells me "there are no images")
[20:55] <tych0> but if i wait a bit, it works fine
[20:55] <tych0> presumably now it does more than a stat() on the images to see if they're there, my guess is a celery notification
[20:55] <tych0> what should i wait for before i can add new nodes?
[20:56] <allenap> tych0: Did you run maas-import-pxe-files directly?
[20:56] <tych0> yes
[20:56] <tych0> allenap: is there a better way to trigger it so that it will automatically get updated?
[20:56] <allenap> It can take a few minutes after its finished before the region susses out what images are available.
[20:56] <tych0> yep, understood
[20:56] <tych0> how do i know?
[20:56] <tych0> maas boot-images report-boot-images or something?
[20:56] <allenap> tych0: You can run it from the UI.
[20:57] <tych0> not in the cloud installer i can't
[20:57] <allenap> Ah :)
[20:57] <allenap> me looks
[20:58] <allenap> tych0: bin/maas foo node-groups import-boot-images
[20:58] <tych0> allenap: that won't block until i'm done, though
[20:58] <tych0> so i still need a way to check
[20:58] <allenap> tych0: bin/maas foo boot-images read $cluster_uuid
[21:00] <tych0> allenap: cool, that'll play, thanks
[21:00] <allenap> tych0: So, there’s a check every 5 (or 10?) minutes that’ll find the imported images. Importing images via the API (or UI) ensures that the images are reported as soon as the import run finishes.
[21:01] <tych0> ok
[21:01] <tych0> allenap: is there any way to tell it to look?
[21:01] <tych0> and/or tell the m-i-e script via the API to use an http proxy?
[21:01] <allenap> tych0: You /might/ find that the periodic check picks up a half-finished import, but I suspect it won’t; the new import script switches a symlink when it finishes.
[21:02] <tych0> actually i think it should be ok
[21:02] <tych0> we're not even pxe booting the first node
[21:02] <tych0> so we don't even really care if the images are even there
[21:02] <allenap> tych0: maas-import-ephemerals is an ex-script. maas-import-pxe-files isn’t the thing that reports back; there’s a celery subtask that runs when the import task completes.
[21:02] <tych0> maas just barfs on us if they're not
[21:03] <tych0> allenap: ok. so is there a way to route the whole thing through an http proxy if i call it through the maas api?
[21:04] <tych0> alternatively, can i just call the celery job manually?
[21:04] <allenap> tych0: If you’ve set the http proxy in MAAS, then call through to it via the API, it should dtrt.
[21:04] <tych0> hmm
[21:05] <tych0> is there an easy way to set the proxy via the cli?
[21:06] <allenap> Should be, /me looks.
[21:06] <tych0> ok
[21:06] <tych0> no worries, i can look
[21:06] <tych0> just iddn't know if you knew off the top of your head
[21:06] <tych0> (allenap)
[21:08] <allenap> tych0: bin/maas foo maas set-config name=http_proxy value=http://...
[21:08] <tych0> cool
[21:08] <tych0> thanks!
[21:08] <allenap> It’s good to refresh my memory :)
[21:14]  * allenap signs off for the night.
[21:28] <tych0> allenap: hmm
[21:29] <tych0> we might actually want to be notified if the job fails ourselves
[21:29] <tych0> allenap: is there a way we can get some kind of failure notification?
[21:42] <tych0> allenap: so set-config doesn't work
[21:42] <tych0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7200708/
[22:17] <allenap> tych0: maas maas maas set-config ...
[22:35] <tych0> ah
[22:35] <tych0> :-(


[16:18] <douglasawh-work> joshwebb I probably can't help, but what Samba questions do you have?
[16:19] <douglasawh-work> h00k: the machine has been disposed of.  It was a nx9420 if you want to look up wireless info
[16:32] <douglasawh-work> does anyone in here know anything about full disk encryption?


[15:36] <crimsun_> eek, using focus-follows-mouse with unity's menu results in oddness when the mouse cursor passes from a target foreground unmaximized app over the background maximized app.  I end up having to move or minimize the background maximized app to use the target app's menu.
[17:05] <virtuald>  /wi vish
[17:05] <virtuald> sorry meant to whois myself :>
[17:09]  * Laney learns /wi


[05:46] <CraigZim> I think this group has died!
[19:26] <pavlushka> QA: where si the rusk?
[19:26] <QA> pavlushka: Huh?
[19:26] <pavlushka> QA: where is the rusk
[19:26] <QA> pavlushka: I'm afraid I have no idea
[19:26] <pavlushka> QA: rusk
[19:26] <QA> pavlushka: Excuse me?


[00:00] <chrisccoulson> jrib - i can build pywebkitgtk with that debdiff
[00:00] <jrib> chrisccoulson: thanks, I'll troubleshoot here then
[00:00] <bdmurray> no they are different I was just wondering if the bug should affect another package too
[00:00] <chrisccoulson> which stage are you having difficulty with? building the source package or building the binary with pbuilder?
[00:01] <hggdh> charlie-tca, you got a +1 from me.
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I didn't know I was even visible
[00:01] <hggdh> :-) everybody is visible
[00:02] <hggdh> bdmurray, I quickly tested bug 217900, but did not have time to keep on. It is reproducible on both exo-eject and gnome-eject.
[00:04] <bdmurray> hmm
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I never tested gnome-eject, since the original report was for exo-eject
[00:06] <bdmurray> Okay, I read comment 6 as you had tested gnome-eject
[00:06] <jrib> chrisccoulson: getting errors on debuild -us -uc.  I'll try in pbuilder.  if you want to look: http://pastebin.com/f1b5e014c
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> jrib - that will try to build the binary package outside of the clean pbuilder environment, with no build dependency handling (I think)
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> try 'debuild -S -us -uc' to build just the source package
[00:08] <chrisccoulson> then use pbuilder to build the binary package from the source package you just created
[00:08] <jrib> chrisccoulson: that works fine
[00:09] <hggdh> bdmurray, the question is if gnome-eject or exo-eject are expected to open the empty tray (theoretically they are to be used to eject a CD/DVD from the tray)
[00:09] <james_w> it will have build-dependencies installed, it will bail out if you don;t
[00:09] <james_w> the error you are seeing there is something funky with libtool I believe.
[00:10] <james_w> it's a problem with a certain version of libtool or something
[00:17] <jrib> chrisccoulson, james_w: fails in pbuilder for me as well with the same errors.  Does pbuilder save logs of builds somewhere by the way?
[00:18] <james_w> jrib: there's a --logfile option, but not by default
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> you beat me to it;)
[00:19] <jrib> chrisccoulson: you did it in an intrepid pbuilder?
[00:20] <chrisccoulson> intrepid-amd64
[00:20] <chrisccoulson> what are you trying it in?
[00:20] <jrib> amd64 here as well, hrmm
[00:20] <jrib> same
[00:20] <jrib> let me start over and tell you exactly what I do
[00:25] <jrib> of course it now builds.  thanks james_w and chrisccoulson
[00:25] <chrisccoulson> thats good ;)
[00:26] <jrib> chrisccoulson: can you tell me if doing 'debuild -us -uc' fails for you?
[00:26] <jrib> instead of pbuilder
[00:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it fails for me but due to unmet build deps
[00:27] <jrib> I did apt-get build-deps though
[01:13] <azimout> i asked about this about a week ago: should we get cracking on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs ???
[01:31] <calc> 2 bugs to 90% bugwatched :)
[01:32] <greg-g> wow
[01:38] <calc> now if i could just get my overall upstream bug percentage to 90% ;-)
[01:55] <Bit_Breaker> hello
[01:55] <Bit_Breaker> i did an update and now i have to versions in my boot screen \
[01:55] <Bit_Breaker> how do i fix
[01:56] <Bit_Breaker> sry ubuntu-bugs wrong IM
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Bit_Breaker: it's okay to have more than one version. Normally the top one is the latest update.
[01:58] <charlie-tca> The system will automatically select that one when it boots
[01:59] <Bit_Breaker> ok.. i see whats happening now
[02:00] <Bit_Breaker> it lags some times. when i boot to 2.6-24-21
[02:01] <Bit_Breaker> er *24
[02:03] <Woody86> Is there anything else I can help out with for bugs besides  triage? I'm not finding any bugs I can duplicate :(
[02:06] <csilk> NEed some advice: I'm packaging a new app. the app has a 'bug' which causes a compilation error udner the newer versions of GCC, upstream advise (in their install instructions) that users add 2 lines of code to the top of a C++ source file. If I do this in the package do I just note that in the changelog or is modifying the code a big no no?
[02:07] <csilk> .. sorry, should of been in motu chan
[02:07] <calc> yipee hit 90% now and it turned green
[02:08] <hggdh> Woody86, you can see if all necessary data is in, for example; you can find bugs without packages, and assign the correct packages to them
[02:08] <hggdh> etc
[02:38] <Woody86> is this even a bug?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/275777
[02:38] <Woody86> sounds like a suggestion to me
[02:40] <greg-g> Woody86: there are a couple of issues raised in that bug.  But one of them is a valid request: enable the use of web-based email applications as the user default choice
[02:41] <Woody86> oh, but that's still considered a bug greg-g?
[02:41] <greg-g> it is a feature request, so yes.
[02:41] <Woody86> ah i see
[02:41] <Woody86> thx :)
[02:41] <greg-g> so, where should that bug be assigned then?
[02:41] <greg-g> Woody86: it isn't an Ubuntu-meta bug
[02:42] <Woody86> huh?
[02:43] <greg-g> Woody86: it is reported against the "ubuntu-meta" package, but that is not what the bug should be reported against
[02:43] <Woody86> oh, well how do you change that?
[02:43] <Woody86> and change it to what?
[02:44] <greg-g> Woody86: there are some tips on this page for figuring that out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[02:45] <greg-g> a good way is using that command line argument about half-way down the page
[02:45] <Woody86> greg-g -  ah, ok, thx
[02:45] <greg-g> so, opening up the preferred applications dialog and running that command gives me:
[02:45] <greg-g> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gnome-default-applications-properties", "Gnome-default-applications-properties"
[02:47] <greg-g> then, typing "dpkg -S gnome-default-applications-properties" in the command line gives me:
[02:47] <greg-g> gnome-control-center: /usr/bin/gnome-default-applications-properties
[02:47] <greg-g> which is the package you should report it against
[02:47] <greg-g> does this makes sense?
[02:48] <Woody86> greg-g -  as clear as mud :)
[02:48] <Woody86> you'll have to be gentle, this is my first time
[02:48] <greg-g> did you try it
[02:48] <greg-g> ok, starting over :)
[02:49] <greg-g> where do you think they set this type of information, the default application? (this requires some pre-knowledge)
[02:50] <Woody86> no idea
[02:51] <greg-g> well, you go to System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications
[02:51] <greg-g> that opens up the dialog where you can set your, Preferred Application
[02:51] <greg-g> for various tasks
[02:51] <Woody86> ah ok
[02:51] <Woody86> i thought you were talking about something on the bug report
[02:51] <Woody86> ok ok
[02:52] <greg-g> so, we need to figure out which package provides that functionality, which is what the wiki page tries to help with: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[02:52] <greg-g> this is for the bug report, they are trying to set an online app as their preferred application, right?
[02:52] <Woody86> yeah
[02:52] <greg-g> cool.
[02:52] <Awsoonn> wrt: bug 241920, do you know anythign of a python programming ebook being included in the default ubuntu install someplace?
[02:53] <greg-g> Woody86: so, we figured out which dialog gives us this option, now using that Find Program Executable part will gives us a bit more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Find%20the%20program%20executable
[02:53] <greg-g> so, with that dialog still open, we copy the line "xprop | grep WM_CLASS" into a terminal
[02:54] <greg-g> that will gives us a cross hairs which we then click on that dialog.
[02:54] <Woody86> ok
[02:54] <Woody86> :)
[02:55] <Woody86> so gnome-default-applications-properties?
[02:56] <greg-g> correct, that is the executable.  But there is one more step, sadly.  We want the package name for that executable (the reason they are not the same is a question for a later date)
[02:56] <Woody86> WOOT!
[02:56] <greg-g> one way of finding the package is typing "dpkg -S dpkg -S gnome-default-applications-properties" into the terminal
[02:57] <greg-g> erm, just "dpkg -S gnome-default-applications-properties"
[02:57] <Woody86> greg-g -  ok
[02:57] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: Yes, is not included in the packages anymore?
[02:57] <greg-g> Woody86: so, after entering that command, which package do you think provides the functionality?
[02:57] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: I was just surprised to see it exists, let anoe is on teh default install
[02:58] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: It used to install to /usr/share/diveintopython, I think
[02:58] <Woody86> greg-g -  gnome-control-center?
[02:58] <greg-g> correct.
[02:58] <Woody86> WOOT!
[02:58] <greg-g> :)
[02:58] <Woody86> you kick butt!
[02:58] <Woody86> here's $5!----------------->$5
[02:59] <greg-g> now... this bug report is EXTRA EXTRA fun because they decided to report 3 separate issues in one report, which is a no-no
[02:59] <charlie-tca> Don't know what version does default install for the book
[02:59] <Woody86> alright, my first bug correction :)
[02:59] <Bit_Breaker> :-)
[02:59] <Woody86> ok, so we can break it apart?
[02:59] <Bit_Breaker> Yay!!
[02:59] <Awsoonn> is there a way to see what packages depend/recommend/suggest a package?
[03:00] <greg-g> Woody86: yeah, and unfortunately that means reporting two new bugs, there is no automatic way of doing it.
[03:00] <Bit_Breaker> ok i want to help to :-[
[03:00] <charlie-tca> apt-cache package, i think
[03:00] <greg-g> Woody86: what I normally do is ask the original bug reporter to do that, as they are the ones interested in to fixing the issue.
[03:00] <Woody86> ok
[03:00] <greg-g> Woody86: so, we can edit the description to just refer to one bug, the prefer applications one.
[03:01] <greg-g> Woody86: which basically means just deleting those last two sentences.  You can do this by clicking on the "update description" link
[03:02] <greg-g> Woody86: let me know when you have edited the description
[03:02] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: apt-cache showpkg package_name
[03:02] <Woody86> ok
[03:02] <Woody86> one sec...
[03:02] <greg-g> no problem
[03:03] <Awsoonn> found it, it is direct depend of ubuntu-desktop...
[03:04] <charlie-tca> why...?
[03:04] <Awsoonn> that be it. I wonder why that is in the default install indeed.
[03:05] <charlie-tca> Looks like it to me.
[03:05] <Woody86> greg-g -  so just delete the last 2 items he mentioned, and then respond asking him to make seperate posts for seperate bugs?
[03:06] <greg-g> correct, and ask nicely :)
[03:06] <Woody86> and change it from ubuntu-meta to gnome-control-center?
[03:06] <greg-g> correct!
[03:06] <greg-g> Woody86: you've got it!
[03:06] <Woody86> ok just wanted to make sure before I go hacking it up :)
[03:07] <greg-g> of course, always good to ask.
[03:09] <greg-g> Woody86: I also forgot a step, when you are done, it would be good to change the title of the bug to something more meaningful as well. Something like "Allow webapps as preferred applications"
[03:10] <greg-g> Woody86: you can do that by clicking on that same description edit link
[03:11] <Woody86> how do I move it to gnome-control-center?
[03:12] <greg-g> Woody86: to do that you click on the drop down arrow next to the current package name "ubuntu-meta" and next to that input box there is a "Choose..." link.  Click that, enter gnome-control-center, and it should provide you the option.
[03:14] <Woody86> Woo Hooo!
[03:14] <Woody86> worked like a dream :D
[03:14] <Woody86> thanks greg-g!
[03:15] <greg-g> Woody86: thank YOU for helping and taking the time to learn how to do more advanced things.
[03:16] <greg-g> looks great Woody86.
[03:16] <Woody86> greg-g -  no, thank YOU for helping and taking the time to teach more advanced things :)
[03:16] <Woody86> tyvm, I had a good teacher, what can I say??
[03:17] <greg-g> :)
[03:17] <Woody86> now I'm gonna try to hunt down some more :D
[03:17] <greg-g> Woody86: do you want to go even deeper? There is one more step that could help out this bug tremendously.
[03:17] <Woody86> post 2 new ones?
[03:17] <greg-g> nope.
[03:17] <Woody86> ?
[03:18] <Woody86> what can I do?
[03:18] <greg-g> Since this is a feature request and it isn't something that the Ubuntu developers will work on (they are a small group of people) it should instead be reported to the "upstream" developers of the software, the people who are more likely able to add the feature.
[03:19] <Woody86> greg-g -  ok, report it to them?
[03:20] <greg-g> yep, so, the upstream project for this package is GNOME, which you can guess from the package name
[03:20] <Woody86> ok
[03:20] <greg-g> they have a bug tracker at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
[03:21] <Woody86> greg-g -  register with their site?
[03:22] <greg-g> if you wish. however, a good thing to do first, to save effort, is just to see if it is already reported there, which doesn't require a login
[03:22] <Woody86> ok, so just search for it?
[03:22] <greg-g> yep
[03:23] <greg-g> Woody86: one way is to click on "Product Summary" on that main page and in the drop-down list find gnome-control-center.  Then you can limit your search just to that package.
[03:24] <Woody86> ah! :)
[03:26] <Woody86> I'm not seeing anything....
[03:27] <greg-g> Woody86: yep, neither am I.
[03:27] <greg-g> Unless you really want to, I can report this there since I already have a login.  Then I'll show you how you can link it to the Launchpad bug.
[03:28] <Woody86> eh, I might as well sign up for an account, in case I need to do this again
[03:28] <greg-g> ok
[03:28] <greg-g> sure thing
[03:28] <Woody86> at least I can go through registration while I've got you here
[03:28] <greg-g> yep
[03:30] <Woody86> ok, im in :)
[03:31] <greg-g> alrighty, go ahead and start the process by clicking on that "New BUg" link
[03:31] <Woody86> file the bug under Usability or Feature Request?
[03:31] <greg-g> Feature request
[03:31] <Woody86> ok, and this goes under Desktop? Productivity?...
[03:31] <Woody86> Other?
[03:32] <greg-g> Desktop, then in the list below that you should be able to find gnome-control-center
[03:32] <Woody86> ok
[03:32] <Woody86> ok and then preferred applications...
[03:33] <greg-g> yep
[03:33] <Woody86> version selection? unspecified?
[03:33] <greg-g> 2.24.x
[03:34] <Woody86> ok
[03:34] <greg-g> that is what is shipping with Intrepid (what I'm using)
[03:34] <Woody86> ah, ok
[03:34] <greg-g> so, here is the part where I can give you some advice style wise
[03:34] <Woody86> ok
[03:35] <greg-g> if you look at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=527754 you can see the general style for how to enter the information
[03:35] <greg-g> the title is the title from LP, the descriptin includes that line "Originally opened in LP....." and then a separator, then the description copied from LP
[03:36] <greg-g> Woody86: and it is best to convert your bug URL to that short version, http://launchpad.net/bugs/<bugnumber>
[03:36] <Woody86> ok
[03:36] <Woody86> so just copy the title, specify where it came from, and copy over the body?
[03:37] <greg-g> yep
[03:37] <Woody86> ok...
[03:37] <greg-g> go ahead and paste the link for the new bug when you are done.
[03:39] <Woody86> should i use the simple guide, or the advanced one?
[03:40] <greg-g> Woody86: I thought you were already in the middle of the simple guide?
[03:40] <greg-g> unless I am misunderstanding the question
[03:40] <Woody86> ok, ok, nevermind, I saw your "[Enhancement,New] thing and I thought there was more to put in
[03:41] <greg-g> Woody86: so is it reported now?
[03:42] <Woody86> yeah, let me find the link here...
[03:42] <Woody86> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557346
[03:43] <greg-g> looks good.
[03:43] <Woody86> yup, that's me :D
[03:43] <Woody86> thank you very much :D
[03:43] <greg-g> now, to link the two.
[03:43] <greg-g> last step, I promise! :)
[03:43] <Woody86> haha
[03:44] <greg-g> back on the Launchpad bug report
[03:44] <Woody86> ok
[03:44] <greg-g> there is the "Also affects project" link with the green plus next to it
[03:44] <greg-g> click on that
[03:44] <Woody86> ok
[03:44] <Woody86> post link there?
[03:44] <greg-g> yep
[03:45] <Woody86> ok :)
[03:45] <greg-g> then, you can leave a comment saying "Thank you for your bug report. This bug has been reported to the developers of the software. You can track it and make comments here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557346"
[03:45] <greg-g> and, YOU'RE DONE!
[03:46] <Woody86> Allright!! :D
[03:46] <Woody86> my first bug edit, and upstream!!
[03:46] <greg-g> that was a great example to work with
[03:46] <Woody86> Thank you VERY much for taking the time to walk me through all of this
[03:46] <greg-g> you're welcome
[03:47] <greg-g> Woody86: no you know a LOT of the different steps to effectively move a bug around so that it is looked at by the best possible people.
[03:47] <greg-g> s/no/now/
[03:48] <Woody86> :D
[03:48] <Woody86> now I get to hunt down more!
[03:48] <greg-g> awesome!
[03:48] <greg-g> thanks for helpin!
[03:48] <greg-g> +g
[03:48] <Woody86> I'm definately going to have to ask for those terminal inputs when I come to that point :D
[03:49] <Woody86> to pull up the program info
[03:49]  * charlie-tca gives greg-g a big hug for that
[03:49] <Woody86> yes, thank you very much greg-g!
[03:49] <greg-g> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[03:49] <greg-g> Woody86: the best place to hunt for information on how to do things is this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[03:50] <greg-g> on there it links to the Find the Right Package bug, which has that command to find the package name
[03:50] <greg-g> gah, "Find the Right Package PAGE" not bug.... I'm getting tired I guess :)
[03:51] <Woody86> hah
[03:51] <Woody86> ok, thanks again
[03:51] <Woody86> i just made a new folder of bookmarks for bugging :D
[03:51] <greg-g> no worries.
[03:51] <greg-g> well done, thats the attitude! :)
[03:57] <Woody86> ok, well while I'm picking your brains... :)
[03:58] <Woody86> would this one be considered a meta package? and would I need to have him make seperate bug reports for each topic?...
[03:58] <Woody86> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/223436
[03:59] <Woody86> oh, and on the last one I just did, am I supposed to mark it Green?
[04:03] <greg-g> Woody86: the one you sent upstream? heck yeah set that one as green, and put your name next to it, you deserve that credit
[04:03] <Woody86> yeah, Derreck got it :(
[04:05] <greg-g> I might be missing something, but he iddn't do anything for that bug, feel free to replace his name with yours
[04:06] <greg-g> nope, I'm not missing anything, he didn't.
[04:07] <Woody86> I tried, it still came up as his name?
[04:09] <Woody86> is it supposed to be assigned to me?
[04:09] <greg-g> Woody86: I changed it to "Woody86" feel free to change it to your wiki name or something else, if you wish.
[04:09] <greg-g> Woody86: yep, you did the work.
[04:09] <greg-g> oh, assigned?
[04:09] <greg-g> what do you mean assigned? where?
[04:09] <greg-g> in Launchpad no, just subscribe to the bug.  Assigned is for the person actively working on fixing the issue.
[04:10] <Woody86> but am I supposed to set it to Triaged, and then assign it to me? or jus mark it as triaged, and my name will come up?
[04:10] <Woody86> ok
[04:10] <Woody86> how did you change that?
[04:10] <greg-g> on the wiki page? it is a wiki, I just edited it :)
[04:12] <Woody86> where did you change it though? inside the bug report?
[04:12] <greg-g> If you are referring to the name on the wiki page, I changed the wiki page.
[04:13] <greg-g> if you are logged in to the wiki, at the top of the page there is an "Edit" link
[04:14] <Woody86> ah!!
[04:14] <Woody86> ok,
[04:14] <Woody86> i'm not logged in! haha
[04:14] <Woody86> i was really confused for a min there, sorry about that
[04:14] <greg-g> heh, no worries.
[04:16] <greg-g> Awsoonn: are you actively working on a fix for the diveintopython bug?
[04:35] <Woody86> other than hunting down bugs, what are other ways I could help out Ubuntu? I don't have any programming experience, either.
[04:35] <Woody86> don't worry, I'm not giving up on bugs! I'm just curious :)
[04:35] <persia> Woody86, You could help test the release candidates.
[04:36] <Woody86> persia -  like what? I have 8.10 installed already
[04:36] <persia> Woody86, Also, lots of bugs don't need a programmer : they may just be spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, missing a .desktop file, missing a manpage, etc.  You could probably prepare fixes for any of those, and send them upstream.
[04:37] <persia> Woody86, Look at iso.qa.ubuntu.com for information about testing the release candidates.
[04:37] <Woody86> persia -  dont worry! I'm not giving up on bugs! :D I'm just curious what else is out there as well
[04:38] <persia> Also, just using Ubuntu, and finding more bugs is helpful : especially if you can describe the bug clearly : often we get bug reports like "gstreamer is broken" which isn't very helpful.
[04:38] <Woody86> haha
[04:39] <persia> Aside from bug work, testing, and development, there is community work : helping get the local community interested in Ubuntu, and getting it installed in more homes, offices, and factories.
[04:39] <persia> There's documentation : making sure that Ubuntu has useful help files, and instructions for completing most common tasks.
[04:41] <Woody86> Oh, I've been trying to get locals to come onboard the Ubuntu Train - I've got 4 so far :)
[04:42] <Woody86> persia - ok, thanks for the info!
[04:42] <persia> Woody86, Thanks for helping out.
[04:43] <Woody86> persia -  you don't have to thank me, I would be ecstatic if the entire world was open-source
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvgrab/+bug/287391  anything else I can supply?
[10:45] <waldenasta> #nicksetup
[10:47] <azimout> good morning, everyone
[10:47] <azimout> i have made a mistake about question #47276
[10:47] <azimout> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/47276
[10:48] <azimout> what do you think i should do about it?
[11:01] <azimout> anyone?
[11:04] <thekorn> azimout: what went wrong about this question?
[11:11] <azimout> i misunderstood what the reporter was asking, and converted to question
[11:12] <azimout> in fact, it seems the reporter is right, new icons and artwork in general were promised for intrepid
[11:13] <Treenaks> azimout: there's new background artwork!
[11:17] <thekorn> azimout:first, as Treenaks said, there is some new artwork,
[11:17] <thekorn> and second, such bugs would always be "won't fix", IMO
[11:18] <Treenaks> there are better icons in the default GTK theme, imho
[11:18] <thekorn> so nothing to really care about
[11:21] <azimout> ok, thanx you guys...
[11:34] <danage> asac: i can try the patch but i have no idea how to make network manager and compile that in. if there are instructions i can probably do it (they don't need to be super basic)
[11:51] <asac> danping me again in 10 minutes ;)
[11:51] <asac> hmm ... gone
[12:32] <Awsoonn> wrt bug 241920: I'm not sure where to escalate this bug further. I assigned it to the release team but I'm not too sure that was the right call.
[12:33] <Awsoonn> mark +1'd it
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Awsoonn: not much.  It's not really a release blocker (unless things really go oversized)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Awsoonn: and usually if you nominate it for intrepid, it'll get put on the radra - there was no need to assign to the release team.
[12:36] <Awsoonn> fair enough, I really didn't know the process is all. :D
[12:36] <Awsoonn> thnx Hobbsee~
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Awsoonn: right. it got found
[12:38] <Awsoonn> but indeed since it's not a blocker, I'd feel better waiting untill jaunty, should I nominate for 'later'?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> well, people can always renominate.  I wouldn't bother changing it now - it's already been picked up on
[12:39] <seb128> dunno what bug you are speaking about but there is no need to abuse the nominations system for things which are not blockers
[12:40] <Hobbsee> seb128: i thought importance > high & nominated was for blockers
[12:40] <Hobbsee> sorry, >= high
[12:40] <seb128> right, but was is the point of nominating non blockers?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> whereas "nominated for intrepid" meant "things that would be good to fix, in interpid"
[12:41] <Hobbsee> because it's not a critical blocker, but it would be useful to do forintrepid.
[12:41] <seb128> you can use that, for desktop bugs we usually use the milestone for that though
[12:41]  * Hobbsee looks forthe wikipage summarising it all
[12:42] <seb128> I don't like nominations
[12:42] <Awsoonn> why is that seb128?
[12:42] <seb128> there is lot of users nominations everything
[12:43] <Hobbsee> they can't actually nominate now - they can only request a nomination, whichsomeone from ~ubuntu-dev can accept or decline.
[12:43] <seb128> right
[12:43] <seb128> I decline a lot of those
[12:43] <seb128> users tend to thing any bug which annoy them should be nominated
[12:43]  * Hobbsee examines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting for the final answer
[12:43] <seb128> and suggest for nomination ton of small issues
[12:44] <copyofjohan> bug 147464
[12:44] <Hobbsee> To indicate that a bug should be fixed prior to the final release, the bug should be nominated using the "nominate for release" option in Launchpad. Use of milestone targeting is not required except in cases where delivery of the bugfix is relevant to the success of the milestone release; release-criticality of bugs is instead identified by being nominated (and accepted) for the release and being marked with an importance of "high" or above.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> excellent.  I didn't remember incorrectly.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Awsoonn: ^ is the Release Manager given procedure on what to do w.r.t nomination, milestoning, etc.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> (see the wiki page for full info)
[12:46] <Awsoonn> right on
[12:46] <Hobbsee> which would make a nominate for intrepid, wishlist importance, an appropriate measure for that bug.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> (and unassigned)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> oh, interesting, you can undo targets.
[12:49] <seb128> Hobbsee: nominating wishlist makes no sense, we are too busy fighting blockers, nobody will look at those before intrepid, that just give extra work to those accepting or refusing those
[12:49] <Hobbsee> seb128: they already have.  This particular bug is on removing diveintopython for the regular install
[12:55]  * Hobbsee goes to do a bit more work on low-hanging fruit for the release.
[12:56]  * wgrant eats the bananas.
[12:57] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: I was wondering.. is there a list of low-hanging fruit, or is it a case of looking at the entire bug list?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs is what i'm currently looking at.  Other ones to look at are previous milestones where stuff didn't get done, and the 8.04 milestone
[12:58] <copyofjohan> bug 147464
[12:59] <Hobbsee> copyofjohan: yes, it's a bug.  Yes, we saw it the first time.  No, itwon't be fixed for release.
[12:59] <copyofjohan> I really want to help solving this bug, but I dont know how. Anyone an idea?
[13:00] <jibel> Treenaks: Take a look at http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/ . This may help you to find low hanging fruits
[13:00] <Hobbsee> jibel: does that show release-type stuff?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> james_w: did you test that rrdtool patch?
[13:01] <Hobbsee> james_w: (I presume you did, just checking)
[13:01] <james_w> not really
[13:02] <james_w> I was more trusting that it was correct
[13:03] <Hobbsee> james_w: hrm, i wonder how checkable it is
[13:03] <Hobbsee> although no one's reported any fallout from debian, i see.
[13:03] <james_w> yeah, I wasn't sure how to trigger it
[13:03] <copyofjohan> Hobbsee: yes, I know, sorry but thats so anoying and Im so frustrated about this... Btw Im not really interested in a solution for intrepid but for hardy. I like the LTS releases...
[13:04] <Hobbsee> james_w: sponsored in, we'll see if steve wants it in after the RC.
[13:04] <james_w> thanks Hobbsee
[13:05] <Hobbsee> james_w: you're welcome.  And great work on the sponsorship queue, by the way!  I noticed it when I did various ubuntu stuff over the weekend.
[13:05] <james_w> thanks
[13:16] <jibel> Hobbsee: AFAIK harvest doesn't show release-type stuff :( To sad in this release time . Maybe dholbach knows a hack to do that.
[13:16] <Hobbsee> jibel: darn
[13:18] <lfaraone> morgs: do you have a spare intrepid box you don't mind giving me ssh to?
[13:18] <lfaraone> oops, wrong window.
[13:54] <lirel> hi, a bug i filed was marked as invalid, the comment says it would be a duplicate, but i can see no link to the original one, where can i follow this one up? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/287198)
[14:23] <azimout> in fact, it has not been marked as a duplicate of another bug, and i cannot find a matching vte bug...
[14:26] <lirel> will i be marked as spammer if i reopening this bug?
[14:26] <lirel> *reopen
[14:33] <lirel> well it looks like u've done this.. thx
[14:35] <karooga> hi, i'm struggling to get ldap + tls to play nicely together.  Anyone had success with this?
[16:11] <bucket529> Could somebody please change bug 287415 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'?
[16:11] <bucket529> It's a packaging request
[16:13] <james_w> bucket529: done
[16:14] <james_w> could you ask them to provide a source package rather than a binary one, and encourage them to approach the Xubuntu team with their idea
[16:28] <bucket529> james_w: Thanks and will do.
[16:29] <azimout> i would like someone from bugcontrol to take a look at bug 280805, please?
[16:36] <james_w> azimout: hi, why bugcontrol?
[16:40] <azimout> hi james. i am only in bugcontrol since yesterday, and i intend to mark this as priority=high, but wanted to get a second opinion first...
[16:47] <james_w> aha
[16:48] <james_w> I'm not sure about High, I would have gone for Medium
[16:48] <james_w> it's up to you though, you are in bugcontrol :-)
[16:48] <james_w> congratulations by the way
[16:50] <azimout> thanx
[16:52] <azimout> my reasoning is:
[16:52] <azimout> # A problem with an essential hardware component (disk controller, laptop built-in wireless, video card, keyboard, mouse)
[16:52] <azimout> # Has a moderate impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users (estimated)
[16:52] <azimout> (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance)
[16:54] <azimout> anyways, i'll go for triaged-medium, and see how it goes...
[16:56] <azimout> i was also considering priority=high because it can potentially fry the graphics chips...
[17:22] <jcastro> bdmurray: Plenty of time for QA sessions!: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:29] <bdmurray> jcastro: isn't there a request list somewhere?
[17:30] <bucket529> need a mentor on bug 216267 to help me craft a useful response
[17:31] <jcastro> bdmurray: yeah, the /Prep list but now we have the schedule approved so you can slot yourself in to an open spot
[17:31] <jcastro> bdmurray: just make sure you have a description at the bottom
[17:33] <bucket529> I'm trying to figure out if it's Alsa, PulseAudio, or some crazy driver issue
[17:48] <calc> i need access to 287642 asap who do i ask to process apport crash bugs faster?
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> bug 287642
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> i can't access it either
[17:48] <bdmurray> calc: pitti or the reporter
[17:48] <calc> ah i got subscribed now
[17:49] <calc> bdmurray: ok :)
[17:49] <calc> i got the reporter to add me
[17:49] <calc> of course now i have to wait for it to be retraced, lol :)
[17:49] <calc> but i can see it as soon as it is done
[17:50] <calc> hmm no new interesting patches for 2.4.1 yet that might fix a crash
[17:50] <calc> er since the upload i did anyway
[18:07] <calc> jcastro: oh yea i got OOo over 90% upstream now :)
[18:08] <jcastro> calc: I just noticed this morning!
[18:44] <mrooney> asac: are you aware of any issues with nm not connecting to the highest signal network when multiple of the same SSIDs are present?
[19:10] <asac> mrooney: define "higest signal" network
[19:11] <asac> mrooney: NM tries a best effort base, but will not just switch to anything bettter ... it needs to be considerably better
[19:11] <asac> also "highest" signal isnt always best afaik
[19:14] <mrooney> asac: well I am getting a discrepancy in Intrepid but not in Hardy, let me show you
[19:22] <mrooney> asac: http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=discrepancywh7.png
[19:22] <mrooney> I think they are showing strengths of two different access points with the same SSID
[19:23] <mrooney> asac: after a restart into hardy in the exact same location, I get http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hardygj6.png
[19:25] <mrooney> and in Intrepid it takes a long time to connect, like it is connecting to the really low signal one, even though there is a better one available, and it shows a higher signal in the tray
[19:27] <asac> mrooney: well. most likely the strength you see in list is returned in the scan result
[19:28] <asac> and the one you say on the tray is what you can get from a connected device
[19:30] <mrooney> asac: interesting, it seems to be the opposite, but you would probably know a lot better than I would
[19:31] <mrooney> ie the lower the "scan" signal, the slower the network is, the longer it takes to connect, et cetera, regardless of the tray signal
[19:31] <mrooney> and again these issues only occur with a network where there multiple access points with the same SSID in Intrepid, otherwise they match
[19:32] <asac> mrooney: no i have no clue what that happens in particular here
[19:32] <asac> mrooney: was just a guess
[19:32] <asac> mrooney: why you think its not a problem with the scan results? those come from wpasupplicant and not from iwlist scan
[19:34] <mrooney> Well, if I can't get a good signal in Intrepid I can restart to Hardy and it seems to get better
[19:34] <mrooney> and the only thing that changes is the scan strength (dramatically), the tray strength is the same
[19:34] <asac> mrooney: dont see anything that contradicts what i said in what you said ;)
[19:35] <asac> anyway. if you want this to be properly triaged file a bug. if such a bug exist polish bug summary and description and subscribe me ... set to triaged or confirmed or something
[19:36] <mrooney> okay, will do!
[19:36] <mrooney> I guess from I am saying, it seems like the scan signal is the one being used, not the tray signal
[19:37] <mrooney> whereas you are suggesting it is the other way, correct?
[19:51] <bdmurray> bug 287640
[19:55] <bdmurray> look at the attachments ;)
[19:58] <thekorn> hehe
[20:00] <persia> What do we do with those?  Should they be rejected out of hand, or passed upstream and marked invalid for Ubuntu?
[20:02] <bdmurray> I think rejected out of hand since it is on Windows.
[20:02] <persia> Makes sense.  Unless someone else already is, I'll reject and point the submitter at upstream.
[20:03] <bdmurray> I'm kind of curious how they ended up filing the bug where they did.
[20:03] <persia> The reputation of the bug squad is so great that people want to get good triage for all their bugs?
[20:04] <bdmurray> lol
[20:07] <persia> Of course, that might not be the right response, judging from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-920920.html
[20:27] <mrooney> yeah wow, that is doubly Invalid, Firefox 3.1 AND Windows
[20:34] <persia> mrooney, Well, we're guessing Windows based on visual appearance alone, which may not be correct.  Firefox 3.1 is available from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive which is a conceivable software source (mind you, that is 3.1a2, and the reporter is 3.1b1, so this is getting a little stretched).
[20:38] <mrooney> persia: yeah, but even then it is still Invalid isn't it, you can't file bugs for PPA packages, with few exceptions
[20:38] <mrooney> unless that is one of the exceptions
[20:39] <sdh> so a bunch of Xorg config has moved to HAL
[20:39] <sdh> where does one configure it?
[20:39] <persia> Personally, I think the only reason for the exceptions is because LP doesn't accept bugs against PPAs.  I think all PPA bugs are invalid.  I'm not sure if the mozillateam PPA is an exception, but I suspect it isn't, as it often gets bleeding edge stuff.
[20:40] <persia> sdh, xorg.conf
[20:40] <sdh> persia: really? my upgrade to ibex has broken my middle moues button in X and left me with a bunch of # commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used lines
[20:42] <persia> sdh, Most of xorg.conf is no longer required.  If you need it, put it back.
[20:43] <sdh> persia: tried that with the mouse section, and restarted X. no dice.
[20:43] <sdh> persia: i find the comment quite unhelpful, but that's probably due to my ignorance of HAL
[20:43] <persia> sdh, Have you tried seeking support in #ubuntu+1 ?
[20:44] <sdh> persia: oops, i was thinking this was #ubuntu, i made an off by one error in irssi ;-)
[20:44] <sdh> i thought it was quiet!
[20:44] <sdh> cheers
[20:44] <persia> actually, that's a good point.  The comment isn't very informative, and few who routinely change xorg.conf understand .fdi files, or how HAL works.  It's probably worth filing a bug in update-manager requesting a pointer to better documentation.
[20:45] <sdh> i'm happy to file a bug against it, do you think update-manager is the right place for such a bug?
[20:45] <persia> sdh, Were this #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1, someone would probably have been more helpful :)
[20:45] <persia> I think so.  I think update-manager is the thing that changes your xorg.conf
[20:45]  * persia may be mistaken
[20:46] <sdh> what's the difference between #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 btw, is the latter just there because the former is so busy? :)
[20:46] <persia> #ubuntu is for general support.  #ubuntu+1 is a discussion forum for people who upgraded before release and broke their systems.  Sometimes hints are shared, and the moreso as release nears.
[20:47] <sdh> thanks ;>
[20:47] <sdh> makes sense!
[20:47] <persia> sdh, Be warned that #ubuntu+1 is a fairly relaxed channel, and there's not the same sort of focused support that you might see in #ubuntu.
[20:47] <sdh> that works for me
[20:48] <sdh> i tend not to seek support so im happy to just chat about it ;>
[22:08] <angusthefuzz> could someone mentor me with bug 287639 would that be considered an idea to improve ubuntu?  (I am a new bugsquad member)
[22:11] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: what do you mean by an idea to improve ubuntu?
[22:12] <persia> angusthefuzz, What do you think are the correct values for package, status, and importance?
[22:12] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: I am trying to triage, I was thinking about the default comment about an idea to improve ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#An%20idea%20to%20improve%20Ubuntu
[22:13] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: yes, i recognize that visual elements are in the eye of the beholder
[22:13] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: I just needed some guidance on how we handle these types of things
[22:13] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: This isn't an idea of great scope so I don't think brainstorm applies.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> but also in the resolution.
[22:14] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: in terms of package, i would assign it to the theme, I think the bar is more narrow with the livecd theme, as some of it is taken up by shadow
[22:14] <persia> Yeah.  Brainstorm is useful for big things.  Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance to see the bit about small things.
[22:14] <persia> livecd uses the same theme as the default install.
[22:15] <bdmurray> It looks the same to me, as the reporter, on an installed system.
[22:15] <angusthefuzz> persia: sorry, i do realize that, it looks the same to me as well, i mispoke
[22:17] <angusthefuzz> would the importance be low, as it is cosmetic, or is it a wishlist?
[22:18] <bdmurray> I think Low is appropriate
[22:18] <persia> angusthefuzz, That's precisely the sort of judgement left to the triager.  If it's large cosmetic or usability cosmetic, Low is usually better.  If it's not important, Wishlist is usually better.
[22:18] <persia> bdmurray, You think it's that ugly?
[22:18]  * persia isn't sure
[22:19] <bdmurray> Well, because it is a theme / art bug I'd use the higher of the two suggested
[22:20] <persia> Makes sense.  In a bug against e.g. xchat, this might be wishlist, but when against ubuntu-theme it gets Low?
[22:20] <bdmurray> Or all icons should be green would be wishlist
[22:20] <angusthefuzz> i just wanted to make sure there wasnt a policy about triaging visual bugs, because it really depends on who does the initial triage
[22:21] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: No there isn't a special policy for that
[22:23] <angusthefuzz> thanks for the teaching (I actually cant set importance yet)
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> can anyone access https://bugs.freedesktop.org?
[22:26] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: its not seeming like it to me
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> ah, so its not just me. i don't know whether thats a good thing or not!
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> it's been down for a good half an hour or so
[22:27] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: did you assign that bug to a package?
[22:27] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: I chose gnome-art
[22:28] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: i also set it to confirmed
[22:28] <bdmurray> gnome-art is a package in universe
[22:29] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: is that a problem?
[22:30] <bdmurray> well, it wouldn't be installed on a live cd
[22:30] <persia> angusthefuzz, gnome-art isn't the package that provides those icons.
[22:30] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: thats a good point!
[22:30] <persia> bdmurray, There are universe packages on some liveCDs.
[22:30] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: the problem, does continue to exist after being installed
[22:30] <james_w> chrisccoulson: hey, are you sending them a patch for that consolekit bug?
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> i wasn't actually. i was going to send them a mesa bug
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> do you mean the string-fix bug?
[22:31] <james_w> yeah
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> i haven't done a patch for it yet
[22:32] <bdmurray> persia: it was the Ubuntu Intrepid daily live but you are right
[22:32] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: would it be better to choose the human theme?
[22:32] <bdmurray> persia: what do you think a good way to find the right package would be?
[22:33] <persia> bdmurray, Well, I don't know how to do it from zero knowledge.
[22:33] <persia> Actually, maybe I do.
[22:33] <persia> First check which theme is being used in the theme manager.
[22:34] <persia> Then search for that theme name in /usr/share/themes
[22:34] <persia> Then run dpkg -S against /usr/share/themes/${theme-name}/${some file}
[22:35] <persia> angusthefuzz, Does that procedure work?  If not, I'll either inject knowledge, or try to improve the procedure.
[22:35] <angusthefuzz> persia: that procedure sounds rock solid
[22:35] <Woody86> I had a simple bug here: https://launchpad.net/bugs/164297 and was wondering if I should mark it "Fix Released" or "Fix Committed"?
[22:37] <persia> Woody86, Is it fixed?
[22:37] <persia> Woody86, Has the version of the package with the fix been published?
[22:37] <Woody86> persia - Well it was just a change in settings
[22:39] <angusthefuzz> persia: your procedure worked, thanks for the help
[22:39] <persia> Woody86, Yes, but the simplicity of a bug is not related to whether it has been fixed.
[22:39] <persia> angusthefuzz, No problem.  I'm glad it worked.  Which package was it?
[22:40] <Woody86> persia -  so what should I do with this one?
[22:41] <persia> Woody86, Well, is it fixed?
[22:42] <bdmurray> jcastro: I'm trying to link a package to an upstream project but I need the 'series' now?
[22:42] <angusthefuzz> persia: human-theme
[22:43] <Woody86> persia -  Well, he had asked how to stop his screen from changing colors on startup between the GDM screen and his desktop. I suggested changing his background colors to black, and he said that worked?
[22:43] <Woody86> is that considered a fix, or would the actual package need to be changed in some way?
[22:44] <persia> Woody86, Do you think that it changing colours is a bug that should be fixed for everyone, or do you think that it was an issue only for that user?
[22:45] <Woody86> persia -  Well I had the same issue, and did this on my computer, so it's probably more universal
[22:46] <Woody86> would this be something worth sending upstream to Gnome?
[22:47] <persia> No, it's more likely an issue with the Ubuntu themes than with the GNOME environment.
[22:47] <jcastro> bdmurray: known bug, it's annoying.
[22:47] <jcastro> bdmurray: I'm sicking gmb on it
[22:48] <bdmurray> jcastro: okay, thanks
[22:48] <Woody86> persia -  then should I just mark it as confirmed, and leave it be?
[22:49] <jcastro> bdmurray: I love it when you click on the thing for searching a series and you get pages and pages of worthless numbers
[22:49] <jcastro> <IP_ADDRESS>/trunk, etc.
[22:50] <bdmurray> and then it ended up oopsing on me
[22:50] <persia> Woody86, The package is wrong : it needs to be set to the right package.  If it's gdm and the desktop, it's two packages.
[22:51] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: thanks for helping out with that bug
[22:52] <Woody86> persia -  would it be gdm-themes and ?
[22:53] <persia> Woody86, 19 minutes ago I posted a procedure for finding the package for the theme for a given environment.  Try that.  Let me know if it doesn't work.
[22:53] <persia> (and yes, gdm-themes would be the other package)
[22:53] <Woody86> persia -  Thank you very much :D
[22:54] <Woody86> persia -  oh, and how do I add another thing under "affects"?
[22:55] <bdmurray> Woody86: click "also affects distributton"
[22:55] <persia> Also affects distribution.  Select Ubuntu.  Enter the pacakge name.
[22:55] <Woody86> bdmurray -  ah, thank you
[22:56] <bdmurray> wow, I made a portmanteau
[23:06] <Woody86> persia -  What if this bug isn't affected by a certain theme? What if all themes do it?
[23:07] <Woody86> I'm pretty sure the screen will change colors for any ubuntu theme?
[23:09] <Woody86> it just depends on ... aha! brain-idea
[23:10] <persia> Woody86, I think you've got it now :)
[23:12] <Woody86> persia -  would it be gnome-appearance-properties? since that's where you can change the background color?
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> james_w - i've attached a patch to bug 287723. i didn't prepare a debdiff, as I think you've got another patch to get in as well haven't you?
[23:14] <persia> Woody86, Well, it depends on whether you think the bug is with the tool to change colors, or the package that sets the initial colour.
[23:15] <Woody86> damn
[23:15] <Woody86> persia -  well what sets the inital color? What makes it that tan color by default?
[23:16] <Woody86> the background color doesn't change when you change themes?
[23:16] <james_w> chrisccoulson: yeah, I'll talk to pitti about rolling that in, otherwise it will be an SRU I imagine.
[23:16] <james_w> chrisccoulson: thanks for the patch
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome. it was not much work:)
[23:16] <Woody86> persia -  although it does change when you change wallpapers :(
[23:17] <persia> Woody86, I'm not sure.  Maybe someone else knows (it's always best to ask questions generally).  Maybe it needs some investigation.
[23:21] <Woody86> Does anyone know what package is responsible for selecting the default color for different backgrounds?
[23:21] <Woody86> persia -  Where can I try to investigate this?
[23:28] <Woody86> ok, I think this might just be a gdm-themes bug. I just set my background color to yellow under the ubuntu themes, and it didn't display it, so I'm thinking it just displays the GDM background
[23:32] <Woody86> I switched my login window background to yellow now, and I'm going to reboot to test it out
[23:35] <Woody86> yup, I was mistaken in my original anlysis, it is just the Login Window background that displays :) so it's only gdm-themes, correct?
[23:40] <Woody86> how can I mark myself as the Triager on a bug?
[23:40] <persia> It happens automatically when you adjust things.  Check the Activity log.
[23:41] <hggdh> Woody86, just add your name under "Assigned to"
[23:42] <hggdh> click on the down arrow on the status field, and make the change there
[23:42] <Woody86> persia -  it doesn't say anything under activity log about adding me as the triager
[23:42] <Woody86> hggdh -  isn't that for who is working on the bug? not the triager?
[23:43] <persia> Woody86, There's no special "triager" mark.  Each person's contributions to each bug are documented in the Activity log or in the comment history.
[23:43] <Woody86> ah, is it just in the Hug Days, that a triager is listed?
[23:44] <hggdh> Woody86, you put yourself in as the assigned person if you are going to work the bug until triaged (or resolved)
[23:45] <hggdh> this tells other triagers/maintainers that someone is already working the bug, and we then do not need to worry about it
[23:45] <persia> Yeah.  If you're working on a bug, definitely assign yourself.  Remember to unassign yourself if you can't push it any farther, and it's still not done.
[23:46] <Woody86> well I had sent it to the right people, but I have no clue on how to fix a bug, so I don't think I'll list myself as Assigned To
[23:47] <greg-g> right, assigned is ONLY for the person FIXING the bug.  NOT triaging.  if only triaging, simply subscribe
[23:47] <hggdh> greg-g this is news
[23:48] <greg-g> hggdh: it changed over 6 months ago
[23:48]  * Woody86 bows before greg-g! Thanks again! :)
[23:48] <greg-g> hggdh: it used to be that you assinged youself, but now that you can subscribe to a bug, you do that instead.
[23:48] <Woody86> now I've got 2 bugs triaged :)
[23:48] <greg-g> well done Woody86 :)
[23:48] <chrisccoulson> greg-g / hggdh - there are still exceptions to the rule
[23:49] <Woody86> greg-g - tyvm :) it's not great, but it's a start :)
[23:49] <chrisccoulson> eg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies#Incomplete%20means%20assign%20to%20yourself
[23:49] <greg-g> chrisccoulson: right, there are some exceptions, but the rule is to only subscribe, not assign.
[23:49] <hggdh> ah, this sounds more like what I knew...
[23:49] <greg-g> just like there are exceptions about what status a bug should be for certain projects
[23:50] <greg-g> but, remember folks, in general "subscribe, don't assign"
[23:50] <greg-g> :)
[23:51] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: that might be out of date
[23:51] <hggdh> the whole point on assignment is "this person is working on this bug."
[23:51] <greg-g> hggdh: yes, not triaging. a slight, but important, distinction :)
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i still assign myself to kernel bugs i triage, based on that guide
[23:51] <hggdh> NOW I am rather confused
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> me too!
[23:52] <hggdh> greg-g, a distinction not reflected in the docs...
[23:52] <greg-g> hggdh: yes, "working on" not "triaging". a slight, but important, distinction :)
[23:52] <greg-g> it is.
[23:53] <greg-g> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Improving%20a%20bug%20report
[23:53] <hggdh> quoting the page -- while bdmurray does not change i ;-) "If you are working on triaging a bug report, and it requires more information, the bug should be assigned to yourself."
[23:53] <greg-g> hggdh: which page? the kernel policies? that is, as bdmurray said, probably out of date.
[23:53] <greg-g> look at the HowToTriage page, the general guide on all things triaging :)
[23:53] <hggdh> right
[23:54] <hggdh> mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
[23:54] <greg-g> I'm talking about the general rule here, not kernel specific ;)
[23:54] <persia> greg-g, I think it depends on the depth of triage.  If I'm working a bug and trying to reproduce, etc. and it takes me a few days (because it's one of those especially annoying ones), I'll assign myself.  For quick coverage, there's little point.
[23:54] <greg-g> hggdh: no worries, just wanting to make sure everyone is on the same page, so to speak
[23:54] <hggdh> (not that I even assign myself on triage work)
[23:55] <hggdh> s/even/ever/
[23:55] <greg-g> persia: assigning vs. subscribing makes no effective change in how the bug is handled in that case though, you aren't working on a fix.  If someone like me comes along as sees that you (specifically you, persia) is assigned to it, I'm going to skip it as I assume it is triaged and you are working on the fix; as per that guide above.
[23:56] <persia> greg-g, Which is why I assign myself to the rare bug that I'm digging deeply, even if I'm not sure that I'll produce the final fix.
[23:57] <greg-g> anyways, didn't mean to steal the attention here, only meant to clarify/remind people about the guideline :)
[23:57] <persia> For most bugs, I'll just try to reproduce, and update the status, maybe add some logs, etc.  To these, I subscribe.  It's only when it's a *lot* of work, and I specifically want to warn people off until it gets in better shape that I assign myself.
[23:57] <greg-g> persia: sure, I see that point, if it is one of those really hard to triage bugs that take more than "please give me these logs.." I can see it.
[23:58] <greg-g> that the is key, you're warning people off :)
[23:58] <persia> greg-g, Right.  "Please give me these logs" doesn't need assignment.
[23:58]  * greg-g nods
[23:58] <greg-g> glad we're in agreement, back to figuring out dinner :)
[23:58] <persia> The primary idea is to avoid duplication of effort.  The rest is just window dressing.
[23:59] <hggdh> persia, +1
[23:59] <greg-g> exactly.


[07:25] <melodie> hi
[08:17] <melodie> hi, can I have some help about some bugs I found? I'd like to know how to cut them into 2 different bugs if it is relevant?
[11:06] <melodie> hi, is zram-config supposed to work with the kernel linux-image 3.13.0-30.54 Precise? For here it doesn't work
[11:07] <melodie> here being in a eeepc and also in vbox


[01:43] <holstein> cwillu: just the echo? ;)
[06:14] <HiDeHo> Hi all does anyone have the ubuntu studio repos for ubuntu 10.04
[06:14] <HiDeHo> want to try adding them to my current os
[06:15] <ailo> HiDeHo: They are a part of the main Ubuntu repo
[06:15] <ailo> HiDeHo: You can look for them using synaptic, or apt-get
[06:15] <ailo> A bunch of meta packages starting with ubuntustudio-*
[06:16] <HiDeHo> ailo, are you sure. i thought there was a ubuntu studio repo a well
[06:16] <ailo> HiDeHo: No, Ubuntu Studio is a part of Ubuntu's repo
[06:17] <ailo> There is a separate image for installing Ubuntu Studio
[06:17] <HiDeHo> ok so tehre are no specific repos for ubuntu studio. ok then is there a list of apps that ubuntu studio has then
[06:17] <HiDeHo> it just seems strange there is not but what do i know.
[06:18] <ailo> Ubuntu Studio doesn't really have any of their own apps, only meta packages
[06:18] <HiDeHo> ailo, really what image is this
[06:18] <ailo> A meta package is an empty package which depends on a lot of other packages
[06:19] <HiDeHo> so if i want to add the ubuntu studio apps etc to my ubuntu baisd os what do i do
[06:19] <ailo> HiDeHo: Ubuntu Studio Lucid http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.04/release/
[06:19] <ailo> HiDeHo: As I said, look up the meta packages, and read about them a little. Easiest is if you use synaptic for that
[06:19] <ailo> They all begin with ubuntustudio-*
[06:21] <HiDeHo> ok so i need to figure this out. it woudl just be easier aand make more snece to have a repo which woudl be addd adn install the apps etc but its gng to take me a lot
[06:22] <HiDeHo> ok so is this the list of apps and meta packages etc here. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.04/release/ubuntustudio-10.04-alternate-amd64.list
[06:22] <ailo> HiDeHo: Since the meta-packages already are a part of the main repo, there's no need to add anything
[06:23] <ailo> You just look up the packages you want to install, and install those
[06:23] <HiDeHo> oh that makes it easy tehm so look up ubuntustudio in synaptic adn install all them great
[06:23] <ailo> Yep
[06:23] <HiDeHo> thansk man thats pritty easy.
[06:23] <HiDeHo> so tehre will be no conflicts great
[06:24] <ailo> HiDeHo: The meta package I would avoid is ubuntustudio-desktop
[06:24] <ailo> You don't need that one
[06:24] <ailo> The others are fine
[06:24] <ailo> Or, rather, those that might change the looks of your desktop might seem needless to install
[06:25] <ailo> If you just want all the audio apps, you install ubuntustudio-audio
[06:25] <HiDeHo> yes i want to keep my linux mint os intact
[06:25] <ailo> Oh, it's Mint
[06:25] <HiDeHo> adn just add the ubuntu studio repos
[06:25] <ailo> Cause, that's not Ubuntu
[06:25] <HiDeHo> excuse me
[06:25] <ailo> Mint is based on Ubuntu, but it's not Ubuntu
[06:25] <HiDeHo> linux mint is baised on ubuntu adn is compatable with ubuntu repos
[06:25] <HiDeHo> i know all that man shesh
[06:26] <HiDeHo> here we go again
[06:26] <HiDeHo> bet you are going to say you cant help em at all
[06:26] <HiDeHo> * help me
[06:26] <ailo> Well, you could search the list of packages and see what you find
[06:26] <ailo> All of the audio programs are there
[06:26] <ailo> Just that you might need to install them one by one
[06:27] <HiDeHo> cool so just look up anything to do with ubuntustudio adn all audio apps will e there cool thansk that is all i needed to know.
[06:27] <ailo> Well, I don't know if ubuntustudio- packages are a part of the Mint repo
[06:28] <ailo> If they are, then they are
[06:28] <HiDeHo> see when trying to do this i need to go to the base os which is ubuntu 10.04 adn ubuntu studio 10.04 then add what works there to mint 9
[06:28] <HiDeHo> grat i have the idea now your a grat help
[06:28] <ailo> If you want to make things easy on yourself, just install Ubuntu Studio 10.04
[06:28] <HiDeHo> dont hv to mint still usses soem ubuntu repos
[06:28] <ailo> Then you know you get what you need for music
[06:28] <ailo> Mint is a separate distro
[06:29] <HiDeHo> refer to the mint 9 sources.list file here http://pastebin.com/k3hYEghB
[06:29] <HiDeHo> i know it is seperate as in its what is on top of things
[06:29] <HiDeHo> but the base of mint 9 sio the same as ubuntu 10.04
[06:29] <ailo> It seems like you have the main ubuntu repos, so you should be able to find the ubuntustudio- packages
[06:30] <HiDeHo> that is exactly what i thought
[06:30] <ailo> Just search using synaptic and see what you find
[06:30] <HiDeHo> there is not much differance between mint and ubuntu apart from the look, feel adn extra apps that come preinstalled to make mint what it is
[06:30] <HiDeHo> will do thanks man
[06:30] <HiDeHo> HiDeHo, out
[17:16] <etneg> hi anyone awake?
[17:16] <etneg> is this the channel for design stuff?
[18:22] <joe_onereb> Could I get some thoughts for a pc build with ubuntustudio in mind, possibly uper mid level build?
[18:57] <joe_onereb> Is anyone using Ubuntu Studio-0n 0ccasion-that wishes their hardware was just a little better?
[19:54] <Halexander9000> Greeting gentlehumans! I'm desperately trying to make sense of things here. I have this .ogv file that uploads and plays without a problem in youtube. Because it's recorded with RecordMyDesktop, with absolutely no editing done. Now, I want to edit said file. Surprize, surprize, OpenShot video editor can't even play the file without video errors, much less export it into a similar or different format without the same video errors. I tried to c
[19:55] <holstein> Halexander9000: i would try something else, or bump the quality down
[19:56] <holstein> maybe kdenlive if you dont ming the KDE deps
[19:56] <Halexander9000> Kdenlive outputs scrambled tetris. Same with Openshot.
[19:56] <holstein> scrambled tetris?
[19:57] <holstein> i would say its a problem with the codecs then
[19:57] <holstein> what are you trying to export to?
[19:57] <holstein> ogg?
[19:57] <holstein> try exporting to something else
[19:59] <Halexander9000> No matter the format it outputs, it can't even read and display the format properly in the preview window.
[19:59] <holstein> ?
[19:59] <holstein> try VLC
[20:00] <holstein> or a web browser
[20:00] <holstein> are you up to date with upgrades?
[20:00] <holstein> are you running 11.10?
[20:00] <holstein> what codecs have you added?
[20:01] <holstein> maybe you could take a screenshot or 2, and/or run from terminal and look for errors
[20:03] <Halexander9000> Give me instructions, and I will follow. Start with the beginning.
[20:03] <Halexander9000> holstein: Can you lead me step by step?
[20:04] <holstein> Halexander9000: not really... i can only offer troubleshooting steps to help find whats going on
[20:04] <holstein> you can also try the specifice help avenues for the applications, or try the main #ubuntu support channels..
[20:05] <holstein> might be a good one for the mailing list as well
[20:05] <Halexander9000> They said to ask here.
[20:05] <holstein> they?
[20:05] <holstein> im not saying you have to leave
[20:05] <Halexander9000> They people in #ubuntu
[20:05] <holstein> im just saying, i need to go, and its going to be dead here
[20:05] <holstein> so, you'll need to try the mailing list
[20:05] <Halexander9000> Don't worry. There's bound to be someone that can help me.
[20:05] <holstein> there are some video guys there
[20:05] <CFHowlett> Halexander9000   what's the issue?
[20:05] <Halexander9000> What's the mailing list?
[20:06] <holstein> OH yeah... and CFHowlett just got here :)
[20:06] <Halexander9000> CFHowlett: Can I pm you the post with my issue?
[20:06] <holstein> i'll let you folks talk... BBL
[20:06] <CFHowlett> Halexander9000   sure
[20:06] <CFHowlett> holstein   have a better one
[20:06] <holstein> Halexander9000: if you dont mind, keep it in the channel for others to learn from :)
[20:06] <Halexander9000> Alright.
[20:07] <Halexander9000> Greeting gentlehumans! I'm desperately trying to make sense of things here. I have this .ogv file that uploads and plays without a problem in youtube. Because it's recorded with RecordMyDesktop, with absolutely no editing done. Now, I want to edit said file. Surprize, surprize, OpenShot video editor can't even play the file without video errors, much less export it into a similar or different format without the same video errors. I tried to c
[20:08] <CFHowlett> Halexander9000   your message appears to have been cut off.  However, mencoder is a terminal tool that smoothly converts video formats.
[20:08] <Halexander9000> Mencoder doesn't work.
[20:08] <Halexander9000> I've tried it.
[20:08] <Halexander9000> reeting gentlehumans! I'm desperately trying to make sense of things here. I have this .ogv file that uploads and plays without a problem in youtube. Because it's recorded with RecordMyDesktop, with absolutely no editing done. Now, I want to edit said file. Surprize, surprize, OpenShot video editor can't even play the file without video errors, much less export it into a similar or different format without the same video errors.
[20:09] <Halexander9000>  I tried to convert it using this guy's tutorial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChgTqsZM6UM . Same result. Then I tried this guy http://www.markandey.com/2010/09/how-to-fix-ogv-file-to-upload-on.html . Exactly the same video errors. Those same tetris pieces of scrambled video data covering the text and edges of objects contained within the video. I really need some advice on how to convert it properly. Help please?
[20:09] <Halexander9000> How about now?
[20:09] <Halexander9000> You'll see in the second one that I've already use mencoder.
[20:09] <Halexander9000> used*
[20:09] <CFHowlett> Halexander9000   so it partially converts/converts with errors and artifacts?
[20:09] <Halexander9000> Yes.
[20:10] <Halexander9000> Converts with lots of artifacts.
[20:11] <Halexander9000> The irony is, it uploads just fine on youtube.
[20:12] <Halexander9000> But I want to add a voice over commentary, and no matter what I try, it scrambles all the edges and text beyond recognition.
[20:12] <Halexander9000> edges of objects*
[20:12] <Halexander9000> Moving objects. It's a minecraft gameplay recording.
[20:31] <Halexander9000> CFHowlett: That tutorial wasn't made for my version of VLC media player. It get's confusing after the 6th step.
[20:31] <Halexander9000> It gets*
[20:36] <Halexander9000> CFHowlett: Tried to join the #mencoder, somehow get redirected to #mplayer...
[20:37] <CFHowlett> Halexander9000   Mplayer is the parent of mencoder
[20:37] <Halexander9000> Well, so far, it's a dead channel.
[20:38] <Halexander9000> Same goes to ffmpeg.
[22:10] <Sir_Leto> Does the latest release of Ubuntu Studio have unity or not?
[22:50] <holstein> Sir_Leto: well.. its in the repos, though the latest and the upcoming releases ships with XFCE be default
[22:53] <holstein> if you want unity, you can install it.. or just install main ubuntu and add what you want to it from the ubuntustudio meta-packages, or just what ever applications you choose to use
[23:06] <CFHowlett> unity + ubuntu studio?  *shudder*
[23:08] <Sir_Leto> I don't want it.
[23:53] <Sir_Leto> Is there any way to install ubuntu studio via wubi? I can't partition because I don't have another drive to put all of my stuff in.
[23:54] <Sir_Leto> I know you used to be able to
[23:57] <Sir_Leto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian) I might use this
[23:57] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   NOT advised.  Per the developer, wubi is not a long term solution...
[23:57] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   y u no dual-boot?
[23:58] <Sir_Leto> I cannot partition, I don't have an extra hard drive to store my stuff
[23:58] <Sir_Leto> If I could resize without losing my stuff, I woudl
[23:58] <Sir_Leto> *would
[23:59] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   consider virtualbox rather than wubi.  Just sayin...
[23:59] <Sir_Leto> That bluescreens
[23:59] <Sir_Leto> Virutalbox and VMware player don't like my CPU.


[10:09] <Traumflug> Hello all :-)
[10:10] <Traumflug> Well, I've found a bug in one of the packages (surprise!) shortly before 12.04 was released and fixed it.
[10:11] <Traumflug> Now the merge request is apparently stuck: https://code.launchpad.net/~mah-jump-ing/ubuntu/precise/pcb/fix-for-988503-2/+merge/103767
[10:11] <Traumflug> What could I do about this, after all it's just a click from a member of the Ubuntu-Bugs group missing.
[10:15] <rbasak> Traumflug: this channel is about bug triage. I think you need to ask in #ubuntu-devel. Looks like your merge request is in the sponsorship queue and is awaiting a patch pilot to look at it.
[10:16] <Traumflug> thanks, rbasak
[10:16] <Traumflug> joining ubuntu-devel :-)
[10:18] <rbasak> Traumflug: I think you need to now need to file merge requests against the quantal branch rather than precise btw.
[10:19] <Traumflug> rbasak, I'd very much like to get the fix into precise. users will go away if this bug appears for the next 6 months.
[10:20] <rbasak> Traumflug: the process is to get a fix into the current development release first, then file an SRU for precise. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for the details of how this is done and for instructions on what you need to do. If the bug is important enough, you can get SRU approval for it.
[10:20] <Traumflug> I see, makes sense.
[10:29] <ia> Hello. I will be very appreciate for any [useful] feedback/comments/confirmations to this bug #991902
[10:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 991902 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "blinking blank screen after booting [asus zenbook ux21]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991902


[15:28] <thresh> hello.  does anyone know if HPE Moonshot M400 might run 16.04?
[15:30] <thresh> I know it's certified for 14.04.
[15:37] <thresh> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/arm64/ch02s01.html states Applied Micro (APM) Mustang/X-Gene is supported, which basically is M400, but...
[20:12] <genii> Does anyone know of a 64bit toolchain, uboot, etc for Samsung/Nexell S5P6818  Octacore A53 ?
[20:12] <genii> Tinkering with a NanoPi M3 here
[20:14] <genii> But uboot and kernel have been done as 32bit armv4t based on Samsung  S3C24xx series


[21:17] <costello> Good evening. If there is a package in ubuntu and a new release is coming, with new strings to translate, what is the right forum to ask for assistance in translations prior to release?
[21:18] <costello> Like, advertising the .pot file with some added strings..