[00:13] <mup> Bug #1554814 changed: [2.0a1]: Can't auto enlist with two Rack Controllers, works with one <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1554814>
[00:19] <mup> Bug #1554814 opened: [2.0a1]: Can't auto enlist with two Rack Controllers, works with one <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1554814>
[00:31] <mup> Bug #1554814 changed: [2.0a1]: Can't auto enlist with two Rack Controllers, works with one <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1554814>
[01:13] <mup> Bug #1554814 opened: [2.0a1]: Can't auto enlist with two Rack Controllers, works with one <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1554814>
[02:04] <mup> Bug #1556343 opened: [2.0a1] Service tracking of rackd broken rack registration <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556343>
[02:16] <mup> Bug #1556345 opened: django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: relation "maasserver_bmcroutablerackcontrollerrelationship" does not exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556345>
[02:46] <mup> Bug #1556345 changed: django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: relation "maasserver_bmcroutablerackcontrollerrelationship" does not exist <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556345>
[03:04] <mup> Bug #1556354 opened: [2.0a1] maas-dhcpd and maas-dhcpd6 should use KillMode=SIGKILL <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556354>
[03:34] <mup> Bug #1550435 changed: boot sector signature not found on first boot after deploy on raid array <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550435>
[03:43] <mup> Bug #1556358 opened: [2.0prea2] django.core.exceptions.ValidationError: {'mac_address': ["'74:d4:35:89:bb:c' is not a valid MAC address."]} <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556358>
[04:19] <mup> Bug #1556360 opened: [2.0pre-a2] MAAS dhcp keeps dying <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556360>
[05:23] <mup> Bug #1556366 opened: [2.0a1] PXE interface incorrectly displayed on the UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556366>
[15:42] <mup> Bug #1556431 opened: [2.0a2] MAAS should give an appropriate error if the BMC password is incorrect <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556431>
[16:54] <pete_> gi
[16:54] <pete_> hi
[16:54] <pete_> can anyone tell me where images are saved whilst they are being downloaded ( or where I can see some sort of progress indicator )
[17:00] <Free99> hey pete_ the images default to being saved in /var/lib/maas/boot<something or other>
[17:01] <Free99> depends on your version of MAAs too, be aware the files aren't saved as ISOs or anything, they're gzipped clones of a disk (at least, that's what it looks like)
[18:06] <pete_> Thanks Free99
[20:07] <krypto> hi is there a way to specify a different tftp server for a particular MAC?
[20:07] <krypto> i am adding new servers which should get a differnt Operating system
[20:08] <krypto> and that is available in office TFTP server only
[20:08] <krypto> any idea?


[04:22] <Hobbsee> woot!  latest kernel upgrade in progress!
[08:44] <abogani> x86 merge drive me crazy!
[11:18] <vosskaem> hello
[11:20] <vosskaem> Is there someone who can help me to try the proposed driver from  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37452
[11:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37452 in linux-source-2.6.15 "fusion mpt sas driver does not find a RAID1 disk during installation(Sun Galaxy X4200 and X4100, Dell SASR5/i)" [High,Fix committed]
[11:22] <vosskaem> I have a sun fire 4100 and want to try the fix in this bug, but need some assistance
[12:20] <vosskaem> hello
[12:22] <vosskaem> whats wrong with me that nobody is anwering?
[13:32] <soren> vosskaem: Most of the kernel team is in the US. They're only just starting to get into work now.
[13:33] <vosskaem> soren: but there are 67 persons in this channel ?!?
[13:33] <soren> vosskaem: Yes?
[13:34] <zul> vosskaem: yes but alot of them are idle
[13:35] <vosskaem> ok, whats the best time to get some help for working on the bugfix?
[13:55] <soren> vosskaem: US business hours.
[13:56] <vosskaem> soren:ok, thanks
[15:03] <nakeee> is there an easy way to compile the default kernel with the aufs lhash patch?
[18:37] <EtienneG> hey guys
[18:37] <EtienneG> Xen + fglrx
[18:38] <EtienneG> is it known to work ?
[18:39] <maks_> Xen and work in a phrase is a contradiction
[18:40] <maks_> also fglrx is a piece of ...., tainting your kernel for good
[18:41] <EtienneG> yep
[18:41] <EtienneG> indeed
[18:41] <EtienneG> I am asking on behalf of someone else, it was not my idea!!!


[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4803 Dependency wait (jammy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, jammy/qtgraphicaleffects-opensource-src, jammy/qtlocation-opensource-src, jammy/qtsensors-opensource-src, jammy/qttools-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebchannel-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebkit-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebsockets-opensource-src). Diff missing (jammy/qtbase-opensource-src)
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[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4803 Dependency wait (jammy/qtgraphicaleffects-opensource-src, jammy/qtlocation-opensource-src, jammy/qtsensors-opensource-src, jammy/qttools-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebchannel-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebkit-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebsockets-opensource-src). Diff missing (jammy/qtbase-opensource-src, jammy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src)
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4803 Currently building (jammy/qtlocation-opensource-src, jammy/qtsensors-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebsockets-opensource-src). Dependency wait (jammy/qtwebchannel-opensource-src, jammy/qtwebkit-opensource-src). Diff missing (jammy/qtbase-opensource-src, jammy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, jammy/qtgraphicaleffects-opensource-src). Failed to build (jammy/qttools-opensource-src)


[12:43] <ahoneybun[m]> mparillo: did I miss a launchpad bug report? Thank you for fixing that.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:11] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[13:23] <ahoneybun[m]> o/
[18:24] <mparillo> No, I could have asked for one (or created one myself), but I was in a hurry, so I did not create a bug report.
[18:56] <santa_> hi everyone
[18:56] <santa_> RikMills: no more kubuntu_unstable branches?
[19:16] <santa_> if so, no drama, just want to know - I have a good reason :)
 Afaik, they were only useful for the ci. If you think otherwise, feel free to recreate (re @IrcsomeBot: <santa_> RikMills: no more kubuntu_unstable branches?)
[20:01] <santa_> RikMills: ack, just this weekend I started to do some experiments in KA...
[20:02] <santa_> RikMills: ... and here's the result http://tritemio-watertown.duckdns.org:81/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_frameworks.html
[20:03] <santa_> RikMills: so at some point I might be interested in re-creating the branches, the experiments seem promising


[05:11] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:31] <MooDoo> good moaning
[06:44] <brobostigon> morning
[10:21] <foobarry> so... how can i get a google play book onto kindle/kobo?
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> with great difficulty?
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> or has calibre got a way?
[10:40] <diplo> I convert all books I buy from Amazon to remove drm, not tried from Google Play though
[10:41] <diplo> https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools
[10:42] <diplo> I use that foobarry
[10:43] <foobarry> looks like i need adobe digital editions and all that malarkey
[10:43] <foobarry> really struggled the last time
[10:51] <diplo> Ah right, I used Amazons Kindle software ( has to be an older version ) for my conversions
[10:51] <foobarry> needed wine and activepython
[10:51] <diplo> as my kindle isn't connected to wifi
[10:53] <foobarry> wonder if i need a windows VM to make this easier
[10:54] <foobarry> since i have a adobe digital editions acsm file
[10:57] <diplo> Ah yes, I do this on my work PC for that reason
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like it might be less hassle to retype in the book.... :-)
[12:07] <diddledan> I've finally seen Lez Miserable!
[12:08] <diddledan> pretty awesome if you like that kind of thing (which I do :-p)
[12:10] <foobarry> virtualbox hosed my PC. not even ctrl-alt-f1 worked
[12:10] <diddledan> foobarry: quitter :-p
[12:10] <foobarry> windows strikes again
[12:10] <diddledan> in those instances I like the goto of ctrl+alt+sysrq R E I S U B
[12:10] <foobarry> last time i touched it , it wiped linux on my laptop
[12:11] <foobarry> during the anniversary update
[12:11] <foobarry> the anniversay of not letting windows near your bare metal again
[12:11] <diddledan> err ctrl+shift**
[12:11] <diddledan> or is it ctrl+alt+shift
[12:11] <diddledan> press all the things, you can't miss :-p
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> mash keyboard with one hand till a message pops up :-)
[12:13] <diddledan> you Irish and your potatoes! do NOT put mash on your keyboard. it is a pain to remove.
[12:13] <diddledan> seagulls about again
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> seagulls or... *dun* *dun* *dunnnnnn* omen pigeons....
[12:14] <diddledan> it's either seagulls or those pigeons are damned good impersonators
[13:56] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/heyitsgarrett/status/890933701600727040
[13:58] <foobarry> calibre UI makes me cry
[13:59] <brainrangers> foobarry: its the buttons maan .. DAH BUTTONS
[13:59] <brainrangers> they are Huuuuuuuuuuge
[14:01] <foobarry> weirdly one book converts, and the other doesn't
[14:02] <brainrangers> hmm. DRM ?
[14:02] <foobarry> i just bought them at the same time
[14:02] <foobarry> i added dedrm to calibre
[14:02] <brainrangers> that IS odd
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> calibre ui is done that way to make you feel bad every time you use it to break drm on a book... :-P
[14:03] <brainrangers> hahaa smittix
[14:03] <brainrangers> zmoylan-pi:
[14:04] <foobarry> Adobe introduced a new DRM scheme with ADE 3.0 and later. Install ADE 2.0.1 and register with the same Adobe ID. If you can't open your book in ADE 2.01, then you have a book with the new DRM scheme. These tools can't help. You can avoid the new DRM scheme by always downloading your ebooks with ADE 2.0.1. Some retailers will require ADE 3.0 or later, in which case you won't be able to download with ADE
[14:04] <foobarry>  2.0.1.
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> i'm seeing more in favour of typing it in... :-P
[14:04] <foobarry> yeah zmoylan-pi but its my book :(
[14:05] <foobarry> and my eyes
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> you only rented it foobarry
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> they retained ownership
[14:05] <brainrangers> Drm Sucks
[14:05] <foobarry> i have android, kobo and kindle
[14:05] <foobarry> and can't even read books i buy on them
[14:05] <foobarry> no wonder people torrent
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> drm sucks and breaking it is unfortunately the right thing to do.  i usually buy a paper copy of book and then download an illegal file that i know will work everywhere
[14:06]  * brainrangers hasnt read a paper book in YEARS
[14:06] <diplo> foobarry: Same reason why I use an old version of Kindle books and stopped it auto updating
[14:07] <diplo> If I can't break the DRM of something I've purchased I do the same thing zmoylan-pi
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> first ran into this when i bought a book on mobipocket on palm wayyyyy back.  never got around to reading the book.  then after replacing my palm with shinier new model i couldn't open it... never bought drm book since
[14:13] <diddledan> which is more legal. ripping DRM off, or downloading a pirated copy (in both instances of a product you possess in physical form)
[14:13] <foobarry> think i've cracked it now
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> not so much which is more legal as to which can lead to bigger prosecution
[14:14] <foobarry> its not illegal to rip DRM off your own book
[14:15] <diddledan> it is in murrica
[14:15] <foobarry> its not a crime to download it either i don't think . somebody may argue its a copyright violation
[14:15] <foobarry> but they wou;ldn't pursue if you prove you owned it
[14:15] <diddledan> afaik it is here too
[14:15] <foobarry> there is an antiquated law about format shifting but its a civil not criminal law
[14:16] <foobarry> and makes you a bad person if you rip your own CD to mp3
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> i rip my cds but i don't then sell them on afterwards... i put them in storage
[14:17] <foobarry> yep
[14:17] <foobarry> same for dvd
[14:18] <foobarry> although thats more painful
[14:18] <foobarry> amazon are more in breach, since i buy a CD for my niece and they try to give me the mp3 files via autrip
[14:18] <diddledan> yeah, format shifting is allowed, but ripping DRM off is a different story I think. if British law follows the DMCA in merrica which is how everyone has tried to lobby at leasst, then you're perfectly allowed under fair use to make copies but circumventing "an effective technological measure" is not allowed even if doing so to meet your ability to make a backup
[14:19] <foobarry> diddledan: however kindle DeDRms the book when you read it
[14:19] <foobarry> all you are doing is the same thing
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> and apple have just killed off ipod nanos and shuffles so the devices that made everyone lawbreakers are now gone before the law has been sorted :-)
[14:22] <diddledan> :-)
[14:23]  * zmoylan-pi sits down and waits to see who gets the patent money for flint axes...
[14:23] <brainrangers> :( ..byebye iPod :(
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> the ipod touch is all that's left and that's an iphone without the phone
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> i had an ipod nano 8gb and an ipod classic 128gb.  great devices for watching tv movies on bus
[14:27] <brainrangers> 3rd gen ipod and then an ipod video
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> even on the ipod nano i could read the subtitles of seven samurai in daylight
[14:27] <brainrangers> had a big crush on cali lewis on that ipod screen *sigh*
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i used to watch her daily podcast... was dead neat on itunes...
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> now i just use audio podcasts on podcatcher... no desktop needed
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's a pity there's no decent library handling on linux android
[14:29] <brainrangers> same here . I use downcast on my iphone
[14:30] <foobarry> i use my cowon iaudio for podcasts
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> on ipod i could tell it to copy 3 unwatched episodes of a dozen tv shows and as i watched them and resynced it would copy on later episodes
[14:30] <foobarry> don't have much storage or battery on my phone, but the cowon is awesome and lasts forever
[14:30] <foobarry> never knowingly undercharged
[14:30]  * zmoylan-pi pats shiny new phone with 64gb card... the 32gb card was always almost full...
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> 10gb music, 10gb audio comedy, 10gb ebooks, audio books
[14:32] <brainrangers> 10 GIG EBOOKS ?
[14:32] <brainrangers> are you planning an interstellar journey and need something to read ?
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> some of them are pdfs basically jpgs in a pdf
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> scans of d&d manuals
[14:35] <foobarry> i use zinio heavily for free magz for my library
[14:36] <foobarry> its sluggish but they have about 500 popular magz including linux format and linux user/developer and pi mag
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> but i suspect i'll just fill the 64gb card and need to get a 128gb card... so back to ipod classic levels... i could stuff an entire season of star trek ds9 on that :-)
[14:36] <foobarry> no longer need to feel bad about skimning a magazine and not reading it all
[14:40] <brainrangers> i currently have season 3 of halt and catch fire on the ipad
[14:43] <foobarry> i watched it but it was meh
[14:44] <diddledan> I enjoyed the first two seasons of Halt and Catch Fire. Haven't got around to the third yet
[14:44] <diddledan> so much nostalgia
[14:44] <zmoylan-pi> i watched first season and meh.  then again first time i watched first season of mad men i felt the same
[14:44] <brainrangers> i got a boatload of C64 nostalgia
[14:44] <diddledan> nostalgia isn't what it used to be though
[14:45] <diddledan> from twitter: Overheard at #Blackhat: "He's so boring that the hackers who stole his identity later returned it"
[14:46] <brainrangers> diddledan: agree
[14:46] <brainrangers> do you think its actually possible what they show you in the show ? proto facebook with C64 ?
[14:47] <diddledan> sure, it's just dialing into a mainframe is all
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> bbses in the 80s were huge in usa. not so much this side of the pond as modems were expensive and calls even more so
[14:48] <brainrangers> true
[14:48] <diddledan> the US had free local calling which in the uk cost per minute
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> as the fastest typist at work it wsa my job to connect to american bbses to get drivers or download guides for sierra games :-)
[14:50] <diddledan> my Dad has a story of a video conference unit using ISDN (I think) which was left connected to some far flung location over a weekend
[14:50] <diddledan> needless to say the boss wasn't pleased with the phonebill
[14:50] <brainrangers> 4 isdn lines give you a pretty good resolution . We had vidconf hardware that used to be able to do that in my previous company
[14:51] <diddledan> yeah, ISDN was nifty in that it did bondage OOTB
[14:51] <diddledan> bonding*
[14:52] <zmoylan-pi> oh my boss left isdn vpn connected to cork from dublin on for entire bank holiday weekend.  not cheap
[14:52] <diddledan> :-)
[14:53] <brainrangers> auwaauwauw
[14:53] <diddledan> you know the Dial (parliament). Dad used to have to dial the Dial to provide support :-p
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> walk in monday... go to use it and see it's connected... i don't disconeect in case something is been monitored... ask around... find my boss was using it... wait a few hours for him to stagger in late... and then ask... fun times...
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> *tuesday
[14:54] <foobarry> alibre has a binary install that includes private versions of all its dependencies. It runs on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel compatible machines. To install or upgrade, simply copy paste the following command into a terminal and press Enter:
[14:54] <foobarry> sudo -v && wget -nv -O- https://download.calibre-ebook.com/linux-installer.py | sudo python -c "import sys; main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n'); exec(sys.stdin.read()); main()"
[14:54] <foobarry> YOU BAD PERSON!
[14:54] <diddledan> I wonder if the Dial still contract Sony for their video archival system
[14:55] <brainrangers> i wish there was a command line way to add books to the calibre library
[14:55] <brainrangers> then I could run the machine completely headless
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> does it not have command line options?
[14:55] <foobarry> it does
[14:55] <diddledan> foobarry: from what I can gather the Calibre guys have a somewhat lackadaisical approach to security
[14:55] <foobarry> and standards
[14:55] <foobarry> and UX
[14:56] <diddledan> https://git.zx2c4.com/calibre-mount-helper-exploit/about/
[14:56] <foobarry> sigh
[15:01] <foobarry> going to an island for 1 week
[15:01] <foobarry> feel unprepared in terms of visual media to take
[15:02] <foobarry> i feel like somebody should fork calibre and rip out the UI for something simple. i'll never read books using it
[15:03] <foobarry> or fetch news (although i used to get lwn.net from it)
[15:03] <brainrangers> calibredb add [options] file1 file2 file3 ...
[15:03] <brainrangers> :) Command line adding to Calibre :) Shweeeet
[15:04] <foobarry> tried adding onedrive to rclone but it doesn't work (yet) with onedrive for business :(
[15:09] <brainrangers> God , onedrive is a disaster
[15:10] <diddledan> my niblings are taking the trope of bad depictions of female amour to the extreme with their re-dressing of wonderwoman:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KV4Svwkb/wonderwoman-naked.jpg
[15:16] <brainrangers> at least she has hips
[15:16] <brainrangers> why is the one girl purple ? is that Choke-me-barbie ?
[15:17] <diddledan> I have no idea
[15:17] <diddledan> her wrist is somewhat askew, too
[15:42] <diddledan> soyuz is away safely
[15:49] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/LDrUiZk.jpg - Samsung S5 repair, so not worth the time :D
[15:49] <daftykins> having to go in through the screen, which was glued in = eww
[15:56] <TwistedLucidity> It's more and more common
[15:57] <daftykins> yip, not mine though thankfully
[15:57] <TwistedLucidity> Items are rarely designed to be torn down and fixed, slim is king.
[15:57] <diddledan> gimme a desktop with plugin bits
[15:57] <TwistedLucidity> People pour scorn on Dyson, but at least I can strip mine with little more than a screw driver.
[15:58] <TwistedLucidity> Heck, one reason I got a ThinkPad was that I can take the thing apart to fix whatever it broken.
[15:58] <diddledan> Dyson are expensive though :-(
[15:58] <daftykins> that they are
[15:58] <daftykins> crikey, Sark where i just went have electricity units priced at 69p
[15:59] <daftykins> and a tonne of sand which'd be maybe £20-30 on Guernsey would cost £160 to them
[15:59] <diddledan> ouch
[16:00] <daftykins> 18p for a unit for me
[16:01] <daftykins> but we have a high and a low rate at set hours, that usual scheme i'm sure is around England too for load balancing?
[16:02] <martinb61> Anyone in the UK using FreeCAD?
[16:03] <daftykins> might be better just to jump straight into the actual question
[16:04] <martinb61> Anyone got an opinion on it, good bad or just not up to the other tools?
[16:04] <diddledan> can only UK people have an opinion, or is zmoylan-pi allowed to provide one, too? :-p
[16:05] <martinb61> anyone can answer
[16:05] <diddledan> personally I've never done cad at all, let alone with freecad
[19:43] <diddledan> this looks... yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU9G5eMCA1o
[19:43] <diddledan> sorry that was russian, this is the engrish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHoxuW01heg
[19:49] <diddledan> then for straight to dvd, there's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQKv-ZLxSTg
[21:16] <daftykins> that waggot fella has issues
[21:16] <diddledan> bleeping waggott!
[21:16] <daftykins> is an op going to do something, or is it a common rule for all #u channels to do nothing? :)
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> i just put him on ignore as his bouncing was annoying earlier
[22:00] <daftykins> mmm
[22:01] <daftykins> gah, upgraded Kodi on my Amazon FireTV to 17.3 from 16.1 to see if it fixed bitstreaming Dolby Digital Plus audio, it did - but it broke DTS bitstreaming at the same time
[22:01] <daftykins> only way to revert wiped all my config :)
[22:02] <daftykins> and now it's too late for a film!
[22:02] <daftykins> bed!
[22:03]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the glove puppets....
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> ...and sammy the squirrel went *neep* *neep* *neep* and they all went home for tea...


[09:44] <knome> SamuraiRM apparently in #xubuntu, is he ban evading?
[09:45] <ikonia> I think so
[09:45] <ikonia> I don't see the original ban replaced
[09:45] <ikonia> he was "ok" in #ubuntu a day or so ago
[09:46] <ikonia> the ban forward didn't get picked up as it's a nick ban
[09:46] <ikonia> so he joined as guest, then changed his nick
[09:46] <ikonia> or it would have ban forwarded him here
[09:46] <knome> yep.
[10:42] <popey> @login
[10:42] <popey> @btlogin
[11:46] <k1l> ban evading with sanurai instead of samurai?
[11:46] <ikonia> he's not banned in #ubuntu
[11:46] <ikonia> I suspect he needs to sort out his ban in #ubuntu-it
[11:46] <ikonia> and get help there as the language problem seems quite hight
[11:46] <ikonia> high
[11:46] <k1l> i thought he was banned in #xubuntu and -it etc
[11:47] <ikonia> he's forwarded to here from #xubuntu
[11:47] <ikonia> and he's banned in #ubuntu-it
[11:47] <ikonia> I suspect he'll be better of sorting his -it ban out so he can talk to people in italian to get a clear problem/resolution discussion going
[11:48] <k1l> yep
[11:48] <k1l> but i think he just doesnt care about that as long as he gets what he want while beeing annoying to other users
[11:49] <ikonia> we'll he's not trying to be annoying at the moment as he apears to want genuine help
[11:49] <ikonia> but his langauge barrier is quite a tough one
[12:11] <IdleOne> the barrier didn't seem too high for him yesterday when he got banned for saying his killed his family
[12:12] <IdleOne> s/his/he/
[12:35] <knome> ikonia, changed the ban on #xubuntu to a broader one for SamuraiRM, he seems to be changing host
[12:36] <ikonia> ok
[12:36] <ikonia> I'm not personally bothered by him, I just want him to sort his -it ban out as I'm sure they can help better than broken english
[12:37] <knome> he also seems to be crossposting
[13:27] <ikonia> knome: it appears he thinks your actions where mine
[13:27] <ikonia> d me
[13:27] <ikonia> 112:58 <SanuraiRM> fuck you
[13:27] <ikonia> just noticed I had a pm from him
[13:29] <knome> i'm sorry.
[13:31] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[13:32] <ikonia> just chuckling with you about it
[13:32] <ikonia> not complaining
[14:02] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu Giant81 offtopic imgur link
[15:42] <SanuraiRM> hi
[15:42] <rww> howdy
[15:42] <SanuraiRM> i have installed xscreensaver
[15:43] <rww> SanuraiRM: this isn't a support channel. You are forwarded here from #xubuntu.
[15:43] <SanuraiRM> scuseme
[15:43] <rww> Please contact #ubuntu-it's ops, resolve your ban in there, and ask there for support. Thanks.
[15:51] <Unit193> knome: Yeah, that's why I went for nickban first, noticed the host wasn't static at all.
[17:51] <Unit193> Note, it's actually useless to send SanuraiRM to #ubuntu-irc, no -it ops idle there (checked the access list against nicks in -irc).
[17:52] <DJones> That seems like something for the IRCC to discuss with the -it ops
[17:58] <Unit193> DJones: Likely, but nevertheless, it leaves the best option to PM the op in question rather than directing to a channel with no IT OPs.
[18:39] <DJones> Unit193: Agreed, although I would question why -it ops  don't join -irc I did think it was recommended for loco channel ops
[18:40] <DJones> Could be I've misread something in the past though
[18:40] <IdleOne> recommended != to obligatory
[18:40] <IdleOne> just because the IRCC recommends ops idle there does not mean they have to. They do have an op channel I believe
[18:41] <Unit193> DJones: It is for locos and non-core channels, yes.  As well as other IRC discussions.
[18:41] <IdleOne> the -it loco that is
[18:41] <DJones> So if -it have their own loco channel, hwere are the logs for that?
[18:42] <IdleOne> same place all the other logs are at, locos also don't have to log
[18:42] <IdleOne> everything is voluntary in the Ubuntu IRC world
[18:43] <rww> unless the LoCo Council decides to be silly and force one to
[18:43]  * rww bitter
[18:43] <DJones> That sounds really stupid
[18:43] <IdleOne> rww: they did that to you?
[18:43] <Unit193> IdleOne: LoCo's had/have forced logging, actually.  irclogs.ubuntu.com.
[18:44] <rww> IdleOne: yes
[18:44] <rww> iirc they were looking at forcing it for all of them, i forget if that happened
[18:44] <IdleOne> hmm that seems silly to me
[18:44] <rww> astute observers may note an overlap between the LC composition at the time and the list of people who wanted #u-w logged
[18:44] <DJones> Being honest if a loco channel isn't prepared to have its ops channel logged, that channel shouldn't be an official channel
[18:45] <rww> anyway. tl;dr: everything is not voluntary and drama is drama
[18:45] <elky> DJones: #firstworldproblems
[18:45] <IdleOne> I can understand that main support channels/core channels but I think loco's should be left to decide for themselves
[18:45] <Unit193> They weren't, but IMO should have been yes.
[18:46] <rww> 18:46:12 [Users #ubuntu-it-ops]
[18:46] <rww> 18:46:12 [@ChanServ] [@ubot-it] [+enzotib] [ rww]
[18:46] <rww> dunno if that's the right channel.
[18:46] <rww> no banforwards and no mention in /topic
[18:47] <rww> oh, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoIrc/RisoluzioneControversie implies it is
[18:47] <rww> (I expect SamuraiRM needs pointing at that URL in future)
[18:48] <DJones> Iwonder how much of the -it issues relate to LjL
[18:48] <Unit193> rww: +f?
[18:48] <IdleOne> very little I suspect
[18:48] <IdleOne> he wasn't very active in there aiui
[18:48] <IdleOne> if at all
[18:48] <rww> Unit193: what about it?
[18:49] <DJones> Not that he's causing them, more that he may be an op there and responsible behind the scenes for  it
[18:49] <Unit193> mode/#ubuntu-it-ops +CFcmnst  I see.
[18:49] <rww> oh, +f'ing him there from here
[18:49] <rww> probably not the best idea
[18:51] <IdleOne> doesn't askubuntu have an -it section?
[18:52] <rww> they have an OSQA instance at http://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/
[18:52] <DJones> IdleOne: Don't let the trolls get in the way of the truth
[18:53] <IdleOne> I'm not sure what that mean
[18:54] <DJones> IdleOne: Too many people are blaiming Ubuntu because it exists, rather than looking at the facts
[19:09] <hggdh> ikonia, knome: ping
[19:09] <knome> yes?
[19:10] <ikonia> ?
[19:10] <ikonia> you summond
[19:12] <ikonia> hggdh: what's up ?
[19:13] <hggdh> ikonia: can we PM for a bit?
[19:13] <ikonia> yup
[19:13] <hggdh> knome: same thing, can we PM for a bit?
[19:13] <knome> feel free to
[21:00] <hggdh> staff around?
[21:01] <Pricey> hggdh: What's up?
[21:02] <hggdh> Pricey: hi, can we have ubot93 (ukikie@botters/unit193/bot/ubot93) cloaked as ubuntu/bot/ubot93 ?
[21:03] <Pricey> Unit193: Around to confirm please?
[21:03] <Unit193> Pricey: Confirmed.
[21:04] <Pricey> Unit193: no going back etc..
[21:04] <hggdh> last call, and all that
[21:04] <tonyyarusso> We have 93 bots now?
[21:04] <Pricey> hggdh: Should be done.
[21:04] <hggdh> so far yes, until Unit193++
[21:04] <Unit193> Thanks.
[21:06] <knome> bazhang, not sure it's a good idea to send them to other channels to pick up more bans.
[21:06] <knome> at least i prefer not to play the "find a channel i'm not banned in" -game
[21:07] <bazhang> knome, he wanted some non-ubuntu channels, and I have pre-emptively warned those ops
[22:17] <k1l> erm, anyway to ban notices in channel?
[22:17] <genii> Bah, mass attack in there
[22:17] <k1l> should set +r imho
[22:47] <k1l> whats about ppc questions in #ubuntu?
[22:48] <k1l> imho they are that few that they are allowed even the ppc port is officially droped?
[22:59] <hggdh> ppc dropped?
[23:00] <k1l> !ppc
[23:02] <tsimpson> modern Macs have Intel chips
[23:02] <hggdh> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/trusty/
[23:02] <k1l> yep.
[23:02] <hggdh> we have power8 and powerpc
[23:02] <hggdh> oh, you re talking about macs
[23:03] <hggdh> not IBM RS/6000 and cousins
[23:03] <k1l> no, the apple g3/g4 stuff
[23:03] <hggdh> ack. Sorry.
[23:03] <k1l> there is one user in #ubuntu who was told ppc is dropped and not supported in #ubuntu anymore. i am just asking on how the policy is on that
[23:04] <hggdh> my personal take is if it is community-driven, then it is community-supported. And that would mean acceptable on #ubuntu
[23:04] <tsimpson> so long as the questions are general enough, I don't see a problem
[23:04] <k1l> imho yes
[23:06] <hggdh> Pricey: still available? I got some more -br channels to +Ff for me
[23:10] <tsimpson> don't freenode still have that secret channel for GCs?
[23:10] <Unit193> Yes.
[23:10] <hggdh> well, it will only help if I know of it :-)
[23:11] <hggdh> but I can always go #freenode, and be helped
[23:16] <rww> faster in #freenode anyway, if it's the same as it used to be
[23:16] <rww> although then you have to deal with the "helpers"
[23:20] <hggdh> part of the game :-)
 ok who here is live and could help me
[23:57] <bazhang> ubottu, random live zombie
[23:58] <rww> @random bazhang this works without an error message :P
[23:59] <bazhang> rww nice!


[08:37] <macogw> Would this list be the one where I ask that wpa handling please please please be added?
[08:38] <sn9> hasn't it already been?
[08:39] <macogw> According to my laptop, no
[08:39] <macogw> It'll only take WEP keys
[08:39] <crimsun> which wifi chipset?
[08:41] <macogw> I'm not sure.  Is there something I can type into the terminal to find out?
[08:41] <fatal__> lspci
[08:41] <sn9> assuming it's a pci card
[08:43] <macogw> Intel
[08:43] <macogw> that's showing up a lot....
[08:43] <sn9> is it showing up for the wifi?
[08:43] <sn9> is the wifi built-in, or an add-on?
[08:44] <macogw> Built-in
[08:44] <sn9> then it will be in lspci
[08:44] <sn9> do you have a line that says Intel Pro Wireless?
[08:45] <sn9> if not, it's not intel
[08:45] <nigel_c> wpa_supplicant is probably what macogwis after.
[08:45] <sn9> but that's installed by default
[08:46] <sn9> for all we know, he might have orinoco
[08:46] <macogw> I already tried following that 7-step thing
[08:46] <nigel_c> Yeah.
[08:46] <sn9> sorry
[08:46] <macogw> orinoco is definitely not in the list of what came up
[08:46] <crimsun> macogw: grep -i wireless /var/log/dmesg
[08:46] <nigel_c> What's a girl? :)
[08:46] <macogw> mark of a true geek ^
[08:47] <nigel_c> Or someone just being silly :)
[08:47] <macogw> intel pro wireless 3945
[08:47] <crimsun> macogw: that definitely supports WPA{,-2}
[08:47] <sn9> ah, then it is intel after all
[08:48] <crimsun> and nigel_c's right on the ball; you need to configure network-manager or wpa_supplicant
[08:48] <sn9> wpa worked on that in breezy, and still works (albeit differently) in dapper
[08:48] <crimsun> I'm not a fan of n-m, so I tend to muck with the wpa_supplicant.conf
[08:49] <macogw> well i can tell you that network tools will only take wep codes
[08:49] <macogw> at least the gui
[08:49] <sn9> macogw: is yours ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:49] <macogw> ubuntu
[08:49] <sn9> 6.06?
[08:49] <macogw> [17179598.124000]  ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[08:49] <macogw> mack@mack-laptop:~$
[08:49] <macogw> yes
[08:49] <crimsun> not much n-m (gui) experience here
[08:49] <macogw> ah wtf did i highlight
[08:49] <nigel_c> And dapper or edgy? The edgy version has some config method changes.
[08:49] <macogw> dapper
[08:49] <crimsun> I can definitely say it's not kernel-related, however, and is probably better addressed in #ubuntu :)
[08:49] <nigel_c> Oops. So much for staying quiet :)
[08:49] <macogw> i dont have the spare box put together yet....that could have edgy on it...
[08:49] <macogw> ok
[08:49] <sn9> macogw: install a pkg called network-manager-gnome
[08:50] <sn9> that will have gui for wpa
[08:51] <sn9> in order for it to work, the wifi must be set to start on boot, and use dhcp
[08:51] <sn9> and NOTHING ELSE
[08:51] <nigel_c> Ah.. I give up on staying quiet... macogw, did you want to use a preshared key?
[08:52] <nigel_c> I don't know what your experience is like sn9, but I found the guis were all useless for psk.
[08:52] <macogw> ok well then something that maybe does have to do with kernel: http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DFE%2D530TX# that pci ethernet card works with fedora and red hat.  according to the posts on the ubuntu forum, it doesnt work on ubuntu, and ive heard that drivers go with kernel so...
[08:53] <sn9> i used the config file myself, but the gui is what is being asked about
[08:53] <sn9> macogw: are you asking about ethernet now? i thought your question was about wifi
[08:54] <macogw> now ethernet, yes...since i was told "hey thats not kernel" and i do happen to be having a problem with "oh crap i cant make this computer be a linux server because that ethernet card doesnt work with ubuntu and im not paying for red hat"
[08:55] <macogw> and that seems like a kernel-ish thing cuz its a driver dealy
[08:55] <sn9> i don't think i've ever seen any kind of ethernet fail to work on ubuntu. fedora and red hat, yes, but not ubuntu
[08:56] <macogw> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240514&highlight=dfe
[08:57] <macogw> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232976&highlight=dfe
[08:57] <macogw> two people seem to be having trouble with d-line ethernet cards
[09:00] <sn9> the 530 uses the via rhine driver
[11:43] <gnomefreak> what is the purpose of wacom?
[11:44] <sn9> the company?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> the driver
[11:44] <sn9> to drive wacom hardware
[11:44] <infinity> (tablets)
[11:45] <infinity> ie: atrists's drawing tablets, some CAD/CAM tablets, and the touch-screens on tablet PCs and some POS systems.
[11:45] <gnomefreak> would that cause a file in restricted-modules to not load
[11:45] <sn9> no
[11:45] <gnomefreak> :(
[11:46] <sn9> are you having nvidia problems?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:46] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:46] <gnomefreak> a .ko file will not load
[11:46] <gnomefreak> adn i can get ouptu with cat
[11:46] <gnomefreak> output even
[11:46] <sn9> there are all sorts of things that can cause nvidia problems
[11:47] <gnomefreak> iirc its the volatile/nvidia.ko file thats not loading. from error it says its not a device
[11:47] <sn9> first of all, are you sure you need the regular nvidia modules and not the legacy ones or the free ones?
[11:47] <infinity> "no such device"?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> sn9: yes its a gforce4 mx4000
[11:48] <infinity> gnomefreak: Which nvidia card do you have?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> infinity: yep
[11:48] <gnomefreak> accourding to the site its still supported with the reg drivers
[11:48] <infinity> Hrm, pretty sure they haven't yet cut support for the GF4MX.
[11:51] <gnomefreak> im going on the assumption that the file it says no such device is in the restricted-modules package not nvidia package
[11:52] <sn9> it's just not seeing the card for some reason
[11:54] <gnomefreak> everything else sees it
[11:54] <gnomefreak> i get the abi warning than that error. alot of wacom errors that end in success
[11:54] <sn9> can you boot into recovery mode and manually probe the module?
[11:55] <sn9> oh, wait. abi warnings?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> will try as soon as im done on dapper
[11:55] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:55] <sn9> is this an upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> the box in question is edgy. but other edgy users got thier accell working
[11:56] <sn9> edgy is a moving target
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i know
[11:56] <sn9> every now and then, things don't work for a while
[12:03] <gnomefreak> is it possible that the mx 4000 is not supported anymore by the glx drivers, maybe the wiki hasnt been updated?
[12:04] <sn9> i doubt that
[12:04] <sn9> more likely, it's temporary edgy breakage
[12:05] <gnomefreak> ok cool ty
[12:18] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[12:18] <BenC> gnomefreak: does Xorg.0.log show that it found the card in the PCI scan?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> BenC: its showing my changes i made to vesa so i can use it
[12:19] <BenC> not sure if that relates to my question :)
[12:19] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[12:19] <BenC> look in Xorg.0.log for the PCI scanning and see if it even shows that it sees the device
[12:20] <BenC> mjg59: Can you give me some background on that pm_{prepare,restore}_console patch?
[12:20] <mjg59> BenC: VT switching is magic
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ok give me a few minutes im gonna go boot it up and check
[12:20] <mjg59> BenC: Ok. More usefully :)
[12:20] <BenC> and usplash is anti-magic? :)
[12:20] <mjg59> BenC: The kernel does the console changing in order to work around broken video drivers
[12:21] <mjg59> We do it explicitly ourselves, so there's no need for it
[12:21] <mjg59> That's the first argument
[12:21] <mjg59> When the kernel changes vt, any app bound to the current vt gets a signal
[12:21] <BenC> by console switching you mean switching to a VT out of X when we suspend?
[12:21] <mjg59> It needs to respond to that signal in order for the vt switch to be allowed to go ahead
[12:21] <mjg59> Yeah
[12:22] <mjg59> Now that seems to interact really badly with suspend, where userspace tasks are frozen immediately after the vt switch
[12:22] <mjg59> I'm guessing that the signal handling isn't complete before the processes are frozen
[12:22] <mjg59> The kernel then seems to deadlock
[12:22] <BenC> ok, that makes sense
[12:23] <mjg59> We could probably fix this in a complicated way, or we could just strip the unnecessary calls
[12:23] <BenC> so why do we vt switch, if the kernel does it itself?
[12:23] <BenC> because of the same problem?
[12:23] <mjg59> So that we can run vbetool before it switches back to X
[12:23] <mjg59> Otherwise the kernel switches back to X, we run vbetool, X explodes
[12:23] <BenC> ok, I am going to try to summarize this in the commit
[12:27] <BenC> ok, so this went missing in edgy
[12:27] <BenC> dapper still has the patch
[12:30] <gnomefreak> ok looking through log
[12:30] <gnomefreak> (**) |   |-->Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] "
[12:31] <gnomefreak> im getting that only its a pci not agp :(
[12:35] <BenC> gnomefreak: Look for the line that starts:
[12:35] <BenC> (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
[12:35] <BenC> check in that list to see if it finds the PCI device
[12:35] <gnomefreak> k
[12:37] <gnomefreak> (II) PCI: 00:0f:0: chip 10de,0185 card 0000,0000 rev c1 class 03,00,00 hdr 00   the 00:0f:0 is the hex for the card
[12:38] <gnomefreak> assumming 00:0f:0 is still 00:15:0
[12:40] <gnomefreak> BenC: it also lists the card under PCI-to-ISA bridge:
[12:41] <BenC> gnomefreak: ok, then it sees the card, so that alleviates the issue I was looking at
[12:41] <BenC> gnomefreak: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:43] <gnomefreak> BenC: sorry i froze what was the grep command again?
 gnomefreak: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:44] <gnomefreak> i got it
[12:45] <gnomefreak> it doesnt look good :(
[12:46] <gnomefreak> BenC: http://pastebin.com/774708
[12:51] <zul_> BenC: the kernel-package from sid behaves the same way
[02:02] <BenC> gnomefreak: dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[02:02] <gnomefreak> k
[02:02] <BenC> gnomefreak: actually, what kernel do you have installed?
[02:03] <BenC> -386, -686, ...?
[02:03] <gnomefreak> 2.6.17-6-386
[02:03] <gnomefreak> and i dont like the output of that command :(
[02:03] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.com/774736
[02:05] <BenC> gnomefreak: I'd take this up with nvidia then
[02:05] <gnomefreak> is it the card or the drivers in your best guess?
[02:07] <BenC> hard to tell
[02:07] <infinity> Or the BIOS, or an ACPI bug..
[02:07] <BenC> yeah, I'm thinking BIOS
[02:07] <infinity> If it really is telling the truth, and can't route an IRQ to the card.
[02:08] <BenC> well, there's no error from PCI about not being able to enable the IRQ
[02:08] <BenC> it's mainly that it doesn't see it has one
[02:08] <BenC> I'd check the BIOS settings and make sure the controller has an IRQ for it
[02:08] <infinity> BenC: How do you know?  There's no full dmesg there. :)
[02:08] <BenC> infinity: oh, good point :)
[02:08] <BenC> gnomefreak: put all of dmesg in there please
[02:08] <gnomefreak> that was all of it
[02:08] <BenC> no, it isn't
[02:08] <infinity> gnomefreak: Without the grep.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:09] <BenC> dmesg > dmesg.txt
[02:10] <BenC> lspci -vv >> lspci.txt
[02:10] <BenC> get both of those
[02:11] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.com/774739
[02:13] <gnomefreak> :(
[02:13] <gnomefreak> heres lspci -vv http://pastebin.com/774741
[02:14] <mjg59> [   61.124183]  PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 0000:00:0f.0. Please try using pci=biosirq.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> other command doesnt output anything and #nvidia just said i need legacy drivers :(
[02:14] <BenC> yeah, that's BIOS/ACPI
[02:14] <infinity> gnomefreak: #nvidia lied.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> k
[02:14] <gnomefreak> good
[02:14] <gnomefreak> i have acpi turned off
[02:14] <mjg59> gnomefreak: Why?
[02:14] <BenC> gnomefreak: Try booting with "pci=biosirq"
[02:15] <gnomefreak> i dont remember
[02:15] <BenC> that's probably the cause there
[02:15] <mjg59> Oh, because it's a 1999 bios
[02:15] <mjg59> gnomefreak: Try booting with acpi=force before pci=biosirq
[02:15] <gnomefreak> add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[02:16] <mjg59> es
[02:16] <BenC> gnomefreak: Or add it to the grub menu by hand, either way
[02:16] <gnomefreak> after the word splash i take it?
[02:17] <BenC> yeah
[02:17] <gnomefreak> ok brb
[02:17] <infinity> gnomefreak: In the "# kopt" section, ideally.
[02:17] <infinity> gnomefreak: So it gets applied to all boot options when update-grub is run.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> ok i played in bios changed irq to auto dmesg nvidia shows this line PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing   is that good?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> and anyway to test this before changing xorg?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> thats with the line i put in grub menu
[02:30] <mjg59> gnomefreak: Does it complain about a missing IRQ?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> no it just says if the device doesnt work use lapic
[02:33] <gnomefreak> i think i like this :)  Boot video device is 0000:00:0f.0
[02:33] <gnomefreak> thats teh hex for the pci slot
[02:33] <gnomefreak> that its on
[02:35] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try this
[02:41] <gnomefreak> it works ty guys now i just have an issue i have to work on text isnt being displayed
[02:42] <BenC> that's a known nvidia driver bug
[02:42] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[02:42] <BenC> started occuring in edgy, some kind of xorg/drm interaction
[02:43] <BenC> there's a work around I think, look around for it
[02:43] <gnomefreak> ill try to
[03:09] <BenC> yay for shitty internet access
[03:10] <kylem> that bad, eh?
[03:12] <fabbione> yeah
[03:12] <kylem> eep.
[03:14] <kylem> heh. :/
[04:26] <zul> dentists are so much fun1
[04:26] <zul> ! even
[11:54] <sander_m> Hello. I have a problem with a kernel transplantation. Could someone here help me, or should I go ask on another channel?
[11:56] <sn9> doctor, it's alive!
[11:57] <sander_m> eh?
[11:57] <sn9> kernel transplant
[11:57] <sander_m> hehe :-)
[11:59] <sander_m> I am running Ubuntu i386 on an AMD64. Now I want to replace the kernel (only!) with an amd64-k8 kernel. I got linux-image-amd64-k8 installed, but trying to install linux-restricted-modules-amd64 throws up errors like : ath_hal/ah_osdep.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[11:59] <sn9> you can't do it that way
[12:00] <sander_m> Rationale: I want to be able to create an amd64 pbuiler enviroment on mu i386 Ubuntu installation
[12:00] <sn9> if you have a 64-bit kernel, you need 64-bit libs
[12:00] <sander_m> I am running the kernel now :-)
[12:01] <sander_m> It's the modules that give me headaches at the moment.
[12:03] <sn9> doesn't this kind of thing just scream "xen" to you?
[12:04] <sander_m> Probabely, but that would mean a full re-install right? A bit of overkill just to be able to build gnome-hearts for amd64 dapper
[12:05] <sn9> no, the beauty is that you would not need to reinstall a thing, AIUI
[12:06] <mjg59> sander_m: Do you need the restricted modules?
[12:06] <mjg59> They're amd64 objects and they're run through ld, so you'd need a bi-arch binutils
[12:07] <mjg59> Which is probably going to be more pain than you want
[12:07] <sander_m> mjg59 they're not 100% nessecary. I'm running the full system now without them, but I'd like XGL back so I'd need the nviaia kernel modules
[12:07] <mjg59> sander_m: Well, you'll somehow need to deal with binutils in that case, I'm afraid
[12:07] <sander_m> s/nviaia/nvidia
[12:09] <sander_m> and what about regular cross compiling? I can only find info for building i386 beds on amd64 systems, not the other way around
[12:09] <sander_m> s/beds/debs
[12:09] <mjg59> We don't ship the necessary stuff to do that
[12:11] <sander_m> Hmmm... maybe it would be the easiest to simply install a minimal dapper on a spare partition and pbuild my amd64 debs in there


[00:10] <JoseeAntonioR> yay, just got the official ubuntu book!
[00:18] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, congratz!
[00:18] <SergioMeneses> can you share some pictures on fb?
[00:28] <JoseeAntonioR> SergioMeneses: sure, later
[01:13] <cprofitt> bkerensa: ping
[01:13] <cprofitt> Ben, even if you meant it as a joke you should not have made the claim that someone at Canonical deleted a bug because they did not like it.
[01:14] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I did not mean it as a joke
[01:14] <bkerensa> it was 404'ing
[01:14] <bkerensa> <jbicha> it was marked private, I asked in #launchpad and it's getting changed back to Public
[01:14] <bkerensa> ^
[01:14] <cprofitt> I understand what happened -- I saw it when I read it and when cjohnston posted
[01:15] <cprofitt> there was no basis for you to make a claim it was deleted by a Canonical employee though
[01:15] <bkerensa> so why would you think I was making a joke?
[01:15] <cprofitt> I assume you understood how bugs work
[01:15] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Canonical employees are the only ones who can remove a bug
[01:15] <jbicha> bkerensa: I am not aware of a bug ever being deleted
[01:15] <cprofitt> I am not aware of a bug ever being deleted either
[01:16] <bkerensa> jbicha: correct but if one were deleted a Canonical employee would have to do such
[01:16] <cprofitt> before making a public claim about such a hot topic I certainly would have tried to verify that claim before going public about it
[01:16] <jbicha> individual spam comments can be deleted though
[01:16] <bkerensa> cprofitt: it was on at least two different sites
[01:16] <bkerensa> jbicha: and pastebins
[01:16] <bkerensa> :)
[01:16] <cprofitt> two different sites reported that a Canonical employee deleted a bug?
[01:17] <ajmitch> that's like saying that it's on the internet, therefore it must be true
[01:17] <cprofitt> as one of the respected members of the Ubuntu community I would have tried to reach out to my contacts and verify that before repeating something that was not verified
[01:18] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I did exactly that
[01:18] <bkerensa> jbicha can vouch for that
[01:19] <cprofitt> what two sites reported it deleted?
[01:23] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I pm'ed it to you
[01:23] <cprofitt> the bug was marked private at 8:24 and you posted about it at 8:25 (GMT-4)
[01:24] <bkerensa> correct and when I saw it was no longer 404'ing and checked IRC back I removed it
[01:26] <cprofitt> I humbly suggest that verifying the facts before posting is better than having to retract.
[01:33] <jbicha> it looks to me like the bug was marked private at 23:54 GMT or 7:54 pm eastern
[01:40] <cprofitt> jbicha: I thought that was when it was marked public again...
[01:40] <cprofitt> my display said 54 minutes ago at 9:22
[01:41] <cprofitt> now it just says an hour ago
[01:41] <cprofitt> I may have gotten it incorrect
[01:41] <ajmitch> cprofitt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+activity shows times
[01:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054776 in unity-lens-shopping "Don't include remote searches in the home lens" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:41] <ajmitch> but it doesn't really matter that much when it happened
[01:42] <cprofitt> ajmitch: nice -- that is much more accurate
[01:42] <cprofitt> thanks for showing me that
[01:43] <cprofitt> my aplogies for the inference bkerensa
[01:44] <jbicha> too much drama this weekend! I need to go find something boring to do!
[01:44] <cprofitt> lol
[01:44] <bkerensa> jbicha: screenshots
[01:44] <bkerensa> :D
[01:44] <cprofitt> boring would be nice
[01:45] <ajmitch> jbicha: I heard that fishing can be relaxing
[01:45] <bkerensa> hmm
[01:45] <bkerensa> In November I go on vacation and hope to fish :)
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <elfy> morning
[07:00] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:08] <jono> night all
[07:08] <jono> see you in 8
[07:10] <dpm> hey dholbach
[07:50] <bkerensa> popey: you up for a Ubuntu Game Night?
[07:50] <bkerensa> :)
[07:57] <popey> bkerensa, ooh
[07:58] <popey> what game(s)?
[08:01] <czajkowski> just fyi folks, launchpad cannot delete a bug, there is also a dicussion taking place on LP-dev ml about the error message 404 and 403
[08:05] <bkerensa> popey: http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/09/ubuntu-game-night.html
[08:05] <bkerensa> ^ maybe we can take it international :)
[08:06] <bkerensa> czajkowski: yeah I was confused by the 404 and thought it had been deleted.... I had never encountered a private bug before... except for mine which still show but have the red header
[08:07] <czajkowski> bkerensa: you should read out blog we blog about privacy a lot, you'd have the correct facts then!
[08:07] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I know
[08:07] <czajkowski> or ask before stating we delete thing and raising more spreading of fud!
[08:07] <bkerensa> czajkowski: blog.launchpad.net I assume?
[08:07] <czajkowski> yes
[08:07] <czajkowski> which is also on the planet
[08:08] <czajkowski> which also gets added to UWN
[08:08] <czajkowski> it has a twiter page G+ and FB pages so the information is out there
[08:08] <bkerensa> I do occasionally see your LP posts on planet
[08:56] <jokerdino> see KDE's krunner and their affiliate search results - http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/09/online-search-results-in-the-shell/
[16:30] <czajkowski> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-javascript-now-combo-loaded-and-faster-than-ever  good news
[17:00] <snap-l> Yay!
[17:13] <AlanBell> that sound like progress, wonder if there will be any cosmetic theme enhancments as a result
[17:13] <czajkowski> cosmetic in what regards ?
[17:14] <AlanBell> well not all white
[17:14] <czajkowski> ah
[17:14] <czajkowski> well no not really tbh
[17:14] <AlanBell> ok
[17:15] <czajkowski> maybe some font changes if there is time but the person who works on that area is working on other things right now which are a higher priority
[17:15] <AlanBell> I keep meaning to make some user css to make launchpad look a bit more styled
[17:15] <czajkowski> patches welcome :)
[17:15] <AlanBell> but the yui framework makes that a bit tricky, it really needs to be a proper theme
[17:16] <pleia2> AlanBell: nooo, don't pull LP people off fixing hard bugs!
[17:16] <pleia2> pretty can wait :)
[17:16] <czajkowski> LOL
[17:16] <AlanBell> yeah, I just wondered if the new yui would mean pretty comes for free
[17:16] <czajkowski> we have onver a years worth of critical bugs to fix
[17:16] <czajkowski> then 1 years high bugs to fix
[17:16] <pleia2> czajkowski: *nod*
[17:16] <czajkowski> so making it pretty isnt there atm
[17:17] <czajkowski> but we are gonna run another 2 workshops at uds
[17:17] <czajkowski> to show people who to do stuff
[17:17] <AlanBell> yeah, crack on with the git support first :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> and have ec2 set up of lp dev
[17:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not even gonna happen any time soon
[17:17] <AlanBell> lol, I know
[17:19] <pleia2> czajkowski: oh good, people said nice things about the LP clinic :)
[17:20] <czajkowski> yeah I'll have a post up tomorow
[17:20] <czajkowski> just today got side tracked and then meh news over mate
[17:20] <czajkowski> I need to haul in dev folks to run it also
[17:22] <jcastro_> mhall119, are the tracks all sorted and stuff? Like if I wanted to start submitting blueprints?
[17:23] <mhall119> jcastro_: should be, cjohnston ^^ ?
[17:24] <jcastro_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-r
[17:24] <jcastro_> looks like I should be able to start right?
[17:24] <cjohnston> jcastro_: mhall119 made the tracks
[17:24] <jcastro_> ok
[17:24] <cjohnston> mhall119 needs to add track leads :-)
[17:24] <mhall119> I thought you could do that
[17:25]  * cjohnston assigns cjohnston as global track lead
[17:25] <mhall119> that's all responsibility and no benefit, you know that right?
[17:25]  * cprofitt cprofitt smiles knowing that cjohnston knows that all too well
[17:26] <cjohnston> gives 100% veto power
[17:32] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[17:36] <czajkowski> todays reward for being meh and long is a lovely chicken korma being delivered in 24 mins and counting
[17:55]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski for being meh and long
[17:57] <snap-l> I think today gets the meh and log award
[18:05]  * AlanBell likes being silly with ambiguous sentences
[18:09] <czajkowski> guess we'll wake up to another blog post on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766  tomorrow
[18:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1055766 in gnome-terminal "grep -R doesn't automatically search amazon" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:09] <czajkowski> AlanBell: best mates mum died this morning, she was diagnosied about 7 weeks ago with stage 3 lung cancer
[18:09] <AlanBell> oh czajkowski I am sorry to hear that
[18:10] <AlanBell> hugs, sorry I was silly about it
[18:10] <czajkowski> no tis fine
[18:10] <czajkowski> just last time we saw her was at the wedding
[19:47] <philballew> afternoon ubuntu people
[19:50] <Sebastia> Hi @ all! my name is Sebastian Tischer and I am student at the university of technology in Dresden and need to talk to some developers or employes within the company/foundation...
[19:50] <Sebastia> I need to get some basic company questions answered for my bachelor thesis which discusses open source software companies...
[19:50] <AlanBell> hello Sebastia
[19:50] <Sebastia> Hi @AlanBell
[19:51] <AlanBell> I am not an employee, but might be able to point you in the right direction for the answers
[19:51] <Sebastia> I am getting redirected from channel to channel but no one who might be able to answer deeply my questions!
[19:51] <czajkowski> Sebastia: well you may want to narrow it down
[19:51] <Sebastia> I am writing my thesis about Open Source software communities and try to compare their basic structure, how they handle the community development process, who is allowed to contribute, what controls are there and so on!
[19:51] <czajkowski> so we can point you in the right direction
[19:52] <czajkowski> Sebastia: so I'd suggestion talking to jono
[19:52] <czajkowski> as he's the community manager
[19:52] <Sebastia> I prepared an questionnaire I already send to the press tema but got no answer yet!
[19:52] <philballew> College people! finally someone like me!
[19:52] <Sebastia> jono? allright that is a direction great :) May you tell me where I can find or how I can contact him directly?
[19:52] <AlanBell> you are unlikely to get an answer from the press team
[19:52] <czajkowski> Sebastia: I've said his name here so he might get a chance to reply
[19:52] <AlanBell> there is loads of information on the wiki about the governance of the project
[19:52] <czajkowski> if not you can drop him an email
[19:53] <czajkowski> Sebastia: jono @ ubuntu dot com
[19:53] <Sebastia> an email would be wonderful! I doubt getting an answer from the press team in time!
[19:53] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance
[19:53] <Sebastia> perfect you saved my evening! :) thank you very very much
[19:53] <czajkowski> well if it's a  thesis I'm sure there is months of notice to be given
[19:53] <czajkowski> unless this is a last min thing
[19:54] <philballew> whats your major you have to do this for?
[19:55] <philballew> unless other countries dont have majors
[19:55] <Sebastia> ah no unfortunately we only have 2 months time and I waited quite a long time yet for the press answer!
[19:55] <Sebastia> 1 month still left so quite enough time!
[19:55] <philballew> how long does it need to be?
[19:55] <Sebastia> major is right :) this is technology and innovation management as well as marketing!
[19:56] <mhall119> Sebastia: have you read jono's book: The Art of Community?
[19:56] <Sebastia> If it would not be to much I can send the questions I prepared here! maybe you can answer them to me too?
[19:56] <Sebastia> no not yet but I put it on my todo list for the literature part!
[19:56] <czajkowski> Sebastia: you might also like to post it to loco contacts
[19:56] <czajkowski> you might get a lot of variety
[19:56] <czajkowski> really depepnds on what level you want
[19:56] <Sebastia> loco contacts?!
[19:56] <philballew> I have an older edition if you cant easily get a copy Sebastia or are short on funds
[19:56] <mhall119> it goes out to all of our local community teams
[19:57] <mhall119> philballew: I'm pretty sure it's available as a free PDF
[19:57] <Sebastia> 1. What size does the company have?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 	- employes
[19:57] <Sebastia> 	- users
[19:57] <Sebastia> 	- developers
[19:57] <Sebastia> 2. On what business model is the company based?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 3. How are eventual costs handled? With what are you earning money?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 4. Which Web 2.0 tools are used to efficiently use the knowledge of the user group?
[19:57] <philballew> ah, thats right mhall119 forgot.
[19:57] <Sebastia> 5. Which technical resources are used for development, documentation, feedback, bugs, features, patches, mailings etc.?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 6. Who is allowed to contribute to the source code?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 7. Which criteria need to be fulfilled to contribute?
[19:57]  * philballew fetches pdf link
[19:57] <mhall119> Sebastia: better to send as an email
[19:57] <czajkowski> Sebastia: plase dont paste them all
[19:57] <Sebastia> 8. What control mechanisms exist to check which code gets into the productive system?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 9. How is the approval process going on to let people contribute?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 10. What can be contributed by developers or users? Where is the cut within the development process (untouched parts of the application)?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 11. Are your documentations being updated on a regular basis?
[19:57] <czajkowski> Sebastia: use pastebin if needed
[19:57] <Sebastia> 12. How do you motivate the community to contribute?
[19:57] <Sebastia> thats all I need to know!
[19:58] <Sebastia> so if you just know what it is about! thanks for the book hint! ;)
[19:58] <philballew> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-now-available-for-free-download/
[19:58] <mhall119> Sebastia: send it in an email, posting in IRC means it'll be out of sight and out of mind in about 30 seconds
[19:58] <philballew> thats the first edition, should be good enough to skim through some parts
[19:59] <Sebastia> thank you very much for the link! you are amazingly helpful :)
[20:00] <Sebastia> may I ask what you mean send it in an email?! to whom? I am new to this IRC stuff so no real idea how things are going here
[20:00] <jono> balloons, all set?
[20:00] <balloons> prompt.. must be the calendar thing
[20:00]  * balloons notes I should do this more often :-)\
[20:01] <jono> balloons, haha
[20:01] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/284afa0889e5dd0632b545df9d8c99f71f08ab1a?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[20:02] <mhall119> Sebastia: send it to jono <at> ubuntu.com, and loco-contact <at> list.ubuntu.com
[20:02] <mhall119> replacing "<at>" with "@"
[20:03] <Sebastia> of course! perfect! Thank you very much! I send it to both and wait for an answer! perfect thank you very much!
[20:03] <Sebastia> ubuntu is the last "big" one I need to get the infos from
[20:04] <mhall119> Sebastia: did you get info from Mozilla?
[20:04] <Sebastia> ok, one stupid question again... got notification error while sending via normal email client!
[20:05] <Sebastia> anything special to do to send it at the loco contacts adress?!
[20:05] <mhall119> Sebastia: sorry, should be loco-contacts (plural) not loco-contact
[20:05] <Sebastia> no I analyzed open office, ubuntu and eclipse!
[20:06] <mhall119> Sebastia: bkerensa and nigelb are both involved with the Mozilla community too, they can probably get you in contact with someone there
[20:06] <Sebastia> am I right and see that jono is online?
[20:06] <philballew> yeah, but bust atm
[20:07] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I handle North America Marketing stuff for Mozilla where are you based out of?
[20:07] <Sebastia> ah damn! ok I will wait maybe he as a free minut!
[20:07] <mhall119> Sebastia: online != available
[20:07] <mhall119> better to send him an email
[20:07] <philballew> +1
[20:07] <bkerensa> +5
[20:07] <Sebastia> @bkerensa: Hi, I am based in germany but my questions aren't location biased I think!
[20:07] <meetingology> Sebastia: Error: "bkerensa:" is not a valid command.
[20:08] <mhall119> when did we get meetingology in here?
[20:08] <philballew> we hold meetings here?
[20:08] <bkerensa> Sebastia: ahh well if you send me an e-mail and let me know what info you need on Mozilla I can get it for you<EMAIL_ADDRESS>we have a good size group of people in Germany
[20:08] <Sebastia> I send you the email this moment!
[20:08] <mhall119> philballew: yeah, but I thought we had the old bot
[20:09] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I might have some info too :) I just helped someone with their thesis on open source last year
[20:09] <mhall119> bkerensa: he's writing a paper comparing different communities
[20:09] <Sebastia> sounds amazing! I explained all in the mail!
[20:10] <Sebastia> I want to analyze how contributors are checked before they can contribute, what tools are used and oif there are internal hierarchies! the result should be to find out if the knowledge of the users is managed in the best way to get most out of it!
[20:11] <Sebastia> most times developers are highly motivated and intelligent but some ideas aren't getting where they could be succesfull! Result would be loss of interest and switching to another project!
[20:11] <Sebastia> for that purpose I compare 3 global player like ubunut, open office and eclipse with some smaller firms/foundations: plex, xbmc and miro!
[20:12] <Sebastia> unfortunately I don't get the answers in the time I need them due the fact my time is very limited!
[20:12] <philballew> depends on the project.
[20:12] <Sebastia> bkerensa: I hope you got my mail?
[20:12] <czajkowski> Sebastia: well 2 months doesnt seem a lot for a thesis
[20:13] <AlanBell> yes, but you will have to go digging for some of the answers
[20:13] <czajkowski> and usually months of research go into to something
[20:13] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I did and am answering it now :)
[20:13] <AlanBell> some of the answers are probably on the wikipedia pages too
[20:13] <czajkowski> Sebastia: you;ll also have to do some of the research yourself to do follow up questions #
[20:13] <Sebastia> definitly! But not all are written down due the fact these are internal restrictions from the company!
[20:13] <bkerensa> czajkowski: A lady working on her PHD in Comp Sci only had one month :)
[20:14] <bkerensa> she used the Ubuntu Community for her project
[20:14] <Sebastia> bkerensa: wonderful! You are my rescue :)
[20:14] <Sebastia> thank you very much!
[20:14] <czajkowski> bkerensa: what kinda phD is that
[20:14] <czajkowski> most take years
[20:14] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved
[20:14] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[20:15] <Sebastia> exactly! I personally studie and work as web developer to beside the thesis and we need multiple sources so another answer by an member is very helpful!
[20:15] <czajkowski> bkerensa: seems poorly ressearched
[20:15] <Sebastia> I am not an lazy guy trying to get work done externally ;)
[20:15] <czajkowski> Sebastia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[20:15] <czajkowski> lots there also
[20:16] <czajkowski> thousands of pages many of which jcastro_ wishes were deleted :)
[20:16] <Sebastia> czajkowski: 1 month for an phd is pretty less though but yeah if you are expert in the field defunitely possible
[20:16] <bkerensa> czajkowski: well she had been a comp sci professor for years prior ;) and used Ubuntu for awhile
[20:16] <czajkowski> doesn tmkatter bkerensa
[20:16] <bkerensa> czajkowski: We got her a lot of resources :) Canonical employees taught her how to package in one hour :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> Sebastia: send me the questions if you want also, I;m on the loco council, the community council and also working for canonical.
[20:16] <Sebastia> czajkowski: thanks for the link I am digging there for quite a while yet!
[20:17] <czajkowski> bkerensa: seems odd.
[20:17] <Sebastia> czajkowski: perfect thank you very very much! may you give me your email? would be very valuable!!!
[20:17] <czajkowski> mates doing phds are doing them for 2-3 years
[20:17] <czajkowski> Sebastia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:17] <Sebastia> THANK YOU :)
[20:17] <czajkowski> Np
[20:17] <czajkowski> will reply in the morning
[20:17] <czajkowski> I'm in the middle of stuff right now.
[20:18] <Sebastia> take your time! it is great to know that there is someone I can rely on within the next days
[20:19] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I just sent some answers to your questions let me know if you need more info on Mozilla :)
[20:20] <Sebastia> bkerensa: great thank you very much for your fast help!!! :) I will look through them the moment they arrive and follow up if needed !! :)
[20:20] <bkerensa> Sebastia: The Community Chapter of the 7th Ed of the Official Ubuntu Book might be useful too :) it was written by some bright minds
[20:21] <bkerensa> Sebastia: Also you might talk to Amber Graner you can e-mail her at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:21] <Sebastia> wow I am impressed by all your help :)
[20:21] <Sebastia> you are really great :)
[20:22] <Sebastia> thank you! I have only one follow up question thats all! I will send it via email then I am fine with all!!! :)
[20:26] <Sebastia> bkerensa: Just send the follow up;) thanks again
[20:50] <Sebastia> bkerensa: I will go offline now! I send you the follow up and if you might have time thanks for your valuable feedback :)
[21:00] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[21:07] <mhall119> yup
[21:07] <mhall119> jono: ^
[21:08] <jono> ok, will be two mins and then ready
[21:12] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e3e8ea6de750b2cd46a2e70b7a026af85a6913bf?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[21:27] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, hey
[21:27] <jono> around?
[21:28] <jono> or jcastro_
[21:28] <jono> around?
[21:28] <bkerensa> jono: I think Josee is sleep
[21:28] <jono> gotcha
[21:28] <jono> I need an Ubuntu On Air dude
[21:28] <jono> or dudette
[21:29] <bkerensa> I am one
[21:29] <jono> ahhh cool
[21:29] <bkerensa> popey too
[21:29] <jono> tomorrow at 11am Pacific I would like to do my Q+A session
[21:29] <bkerensa> ok
[21:29] <jono> and do it on Ubuntu On Air
[21:29] <bkerensa> we will make it happen
[21:29] <jono> can you help me do that?
[21:29] <bkerensa> :)
[21:29] <jono> thanks!
[21:29] <jono> I will blog about it and point people there
[21:29] <bkerensa> ok
[21:29] <jono> I want to start my sessions back up again
[21:29] <bkerensa> Do you know how to use on air?
[21:29] <jono> this seems a good week to do it ;-)
[21:30] <jono> bkerensa, usually someone else invites me to a hangout
[21:30] <bkerensa> ok
[21:30] <bkerensa> I will make sure someone is there to run the account then
[21:30] <bkerensa> jono: your Q+A's are missed
[21:30] <jono> thanks!
[21:43] <bkerensa> speaking of the devil ;)
[21:43]  * bkerensa pats popey
[21:44] <popey> ruh roh
[22:50] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: here I am, was at school
[22:52] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, np
[22:53] <jono> bkerensa emailed you
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[22:53] <jono> I would like to do a hangout tomorrow
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: will be at school by that time
[23:05] <Sebastian> Hi jono
[23:05] <jono> hi Sebastian
[23:05] <Sebastian> you were recommended by bkerensa concerning some questions about my bachelor thesis
[23:06] <Sebastian> I send you an email a few hours ago! Would it be possible helping we with these questions?
[23:13] <Sebastian> jono: you can reply when you like! I just wanted to know if you are the right person to speak to?
[23:14] <Sebastia> jono: sorry my client crashed :/
[23:14] <jono> Sebastia, I saw your email
[23:14] <jono> will get to it :-)
[23:14] <Sebastia> perfect! Thats all I need to know :)
[23:15] <Sebastia> you are great thank you! The press team probably won't reply in next time so you are my last rescue!!! :)
[23:16] <IdleOne> heh, no pressure :)
[23:16] <Sebastia> no sorry that wasn't my purpose :)
[23:17] <Sebastia> Unfortunately I am under pressure thats why I need to get the infos fast! I know there is always one dying to get stuff done and you can't work on everything parallel! so I really apologize for contacting many of you :)
[23:17] <Sebastia> Damn university stuff is always preasuring ;)
[23:20] <Sebastia> thank you guys for your help I am off for now! talk to you when you have time jono if you like I can phone you or skype you whatever you want! just shot me an email and I will make it possible :) have a great night you all :)
[23:21] <philballew> you as well
[23:21] <Sebastia> thank you :)
[23:21] <Sebastia> bye