[00:07] <orangeninja> Hey wrst what's going on?
[00:08] <wrst> not much orangeninja how are you?
[00:10] <orangeninja> fine
[00:12] <orangeninja> just been getting somethings done around the house this weekend.
[00:16] <wrst> same here orangeninja, and sadly the long weekend is nearly over
[00:17] <orangeninja> I know:(
[00:20] <wrst> i am spending the rest of my night watching some baseball and locking my server down a little
[00:41] <wrst> chris4585: my arch install of gnome shell just got a power off thing in the menu, heard anything about that? or I'm wondering if I installed an extension by mistake?
[00:42] <wrst> and I did Alternate Status Menu Extension
[00:42] <orangeninja> wrst: I have been checking out some VPN services tonight. Trying to decide if I am going to get one.
[00:43] <wrst> cool orangeninja
[00:44] <orangeninja> If I have a VPN, I dont need a BNC for IRC right?
[00:46] <wrst> orangeninja: over my head there :)
[00:47]  * wrst isn't much on networking
[00:48] <orangeninja> ha, me neither
[00:48] <wrst> orangeninja: you just wanting an always on irc ?
[00:51] <orangeninja> yes, I eventually want to have it running all the time and use Screen/droid to access whenever. BUt I also would not mind to hide my hostname on IRC networks I don't have cloak with,
[00:52] <wrst> ahh a vps would be really great for that
[00:52] <wrst> maybe an amazon ec2 or something
[00:53] <orangeninja> ill search those then.
[00:55] <wrst> cyberanger: has done some looking about that he would be the guy to talk to on all that fine stuff
[00:56]  * wrst is liking unity more and more in 11.10 beta
[01:06] <orangeninja> made it a little better?
[01:08] <wrst> a LOT better orangeninja I can even use this
[01:09] <orangeninja> cool
[01:14] <wrst> and I can run gnome shell and not some hackish halfworking ppa
[04:19]  * cyberanger is here, dealing with flooding today
[04:43] <chris4585> wrst, let me look
[04:44] <chris4585> wrst, I think one of my repos is messing up
[04:50] <Unit193> cyberanger: Eh, that can't be fun... There was a bathroom toilet flood at the visit with family :P
[06:13] <cyberanger> Unit193: http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cleveland-1004525-army-salvation.html
[06:13] <cyberanger> I think my photo is in there
[06:13] <cyberanger> idk, busy day
[06:25] <Unit193> Since there only seems to be one picture, it wouldn't be hard to findout if one knows you :P
[06:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: more than one article, hadn't gone through it yet
[12:42] <wrst> welcome aboard average_guy, cosmicpizza
[12:43] <average_guy> good morning
[12:45] <wrst> morning average_guy how's the week getting started for you?
[12:46] <average_guy> I can't complain wrst
[12:46] <wrst> me either average_guy
[12:46] <average_guy> I tried xubuntu 11.10 last night
[12:47] <average_guy> it didn't work though :(
[12:48] <wrst> average_guy: i've never been a real xfce fan  or atleast in xubuntu it never seemed all that much lighter to me but I never really got into it either
[12:49] <average_guy> oh, I love Xfce.  I don't really think it's all that much faster but it does have less of the stuff I don't need
[12:50] <average_guy> I like "full-featured", but I don't really care if my windows wobble and stuff like that
[12:50] <wrst> average_guy: I like the whole bloated thing :)
[12:51] <average_guy> yeah I heard ya singin praises to unity
[12:51] <wrst> well average_guy praises, may be a little too much but its better than it was
[12:51] <wrst> but it was absolute total steaming pile of poo
[12:52] <average_guy> I have a pretty old machine wrst.  I have to run GNOME Ubuntu in "classic" mode
[12:53] <wrst> yeah gotcha have you tried lubuntu ?
[12:54] <Xpistos> Morning all
[12:54] <average_guy> yeah, I have.  That's a little TOO light for me.
[12:54] <wrst> ahh gotcha average_guy :)
[13:55] <Xpistos> Anybody use or has used Arch?
[14:23] <wrst> Xpistos: I'm your guy
[14:23] <wrst> and chris4585 is your guy
[14:23] <wrst> and read the documentation!!!!
[14:23] <wrst> :D
[14:23] <Xpistos> well, i have an old tecra 8100 and I an going to give it a shot
[14:24] <Xpistos> looking at the beginners guide now
[14:24] <Xpistos> basically all i need it to do right now is boot, gui and let me read some .cbr files this week end
[14:24] <wrst> Xpistos: its a good distro its as little or as much as you want, but there is absolutely no hand holding in anything with it
[14:25] <Xpistos> Well, I am buring the iso now
[14:25] <Xpistos> lol
[14:25] <wrst> i highly suggest the net install if you can
[14:25] <Xpistos> I can
[14:25] <wrst> gets you up to date right from the start
[14:25] <Xpistos> I can't
[14:25] <wrst> and the new installer actually does do *some* hand holding
[14:25] <Xpistos> lol
[14:26] <Xpistos> "...there is absolutely no hand holding..."
[14:26] <wrst> the new installer is similar to installing debian, but the partitioning can be a pain in the rear
[14:26] <Xpistos> as I have learned
[14:26] <wrst> ha ha Xpistos yeah they did make the isntaller easier, but the partitioning still stinks
[14:26] <Xpistos> I am trying to install this with 64 of ram and 12 gb hard drive
[14:26] <Xpistos> let'
[14:26] <Xpistos> let's see what it can do
[14:27] <wrst> it will do fine :) now I'm not for sure about the gui part
[14:27] <Xpistos> well I need some type of interface so I can read the .cbr files
[14:27] <Xpistos> since they are comic book rars
[14:28] <Xpistos> burnt
[14:28] <Xpistos> now into the computer
[14:31] <wrst> Xpistos: I would suggest a very base install don't select any of the options to install anything short of the base system so its just you and a root prompt on start up
[14:35] <Xpistos> nothing gets selected
[14:35] <Xpistos> I have to select anything so I am not sure about what constitutes a "base" install
[14:35] <wrst> just enable base and base-devel that's all you need and of course setup your root password
[14:36] <Xpistos> ok, I see it now
[14:36] <wrst> i usually have it to download, ssh and what not but on 64MB of RAM I would start with nothing and work my way up
[14:36] <Xpistos> should I use grub or syslinux?
[14:36] <wrst> grub
[14:37] <Xpistos> and select base-devel but don't install anything extra right
[14:37] <Xpistos> base & base-devel
[14:37] <wrst> it use grub legacy still
[14:37] <Xpistos> and I am using ext3
[14:37] <Xpistos> or ext4
[14:37] <wrst> yep that's what you need the base-devel well have to be activated sometime so just easier to do it
[14:38] <wrst> whatever your fancy is, I always use ext4
[14:38] <wrst> but I'm not on such hardware as yours
[14:38] <Xpistos> here we go
[14:39] <wrst> Xpistos: whatever you want to install just google, arch linux xorg or arch linux lxde etc etc
[14:40] <wrst> and when/if you set up xorg I'm sure you will want to go with the vesa drivers
[14:40] <Xpistos> on this box yes
[14:41] <wrst> yeah, of course you can download the nividia, ati drivers and the opensource nividia, ati, and intel drivers but on this machine vesa well be what you want
[14:46] <Xpistos> ok
[14:46] <Xpistos> here is the part that I have problems with
[14:46] <Xpistos> Configuration
[14:47] <wrst> only thing you *have* to configure is the root password, everything else will work
[14:47] <wrst> you will have to get familiar with /etc/rc.conf to start various daemons, etc
[14:49] <Xpistos> is there a filesystem that is better for smaller amounts of ram
[14:50] <Xpistos> reiserfs
[14:50] <Xpistos> ext
[14:50] <Xpistos> btrfs?
[14:52] <wrst> I don't know Xpistos, ext has been there and done that I just usually stay with the tried and true
[14:54] <Xpistos> okay it is installing on the real box now not the vm
[14:56] <wrst> as long as the CLI doesn't bother you, you should be good to go
[15:02] <Xpistos> I am good on the vm
[15:03] <Xpistos> I got the hostname changed
[15:03] <Xpistos> got my user account added
[15:03] <Xpistos> but I don't have root access with my user
[15:03] <Xpistos> have to look that up
[15:03] <wrst> Xpistos: not following you on don't have root access with your user?
[15:04] <Xpistos> I have the root user
[15:04] <Xpistos> but I added "x"
[15:04] <Xpistos> and I need to give x admin priv
[15:04] <Xpistos> I got my eth0 configured and pining google
[15:04] <wrst> you want to log into x as root?
[15:15] <Xpistos> yes
[15:15] <Xpistos> should I add any additional repos?
[15:15] <Xpistos> unofficial?
[15:15] <Xpistos> no right?
[15:16] <wrst> no don't add them until you need them
[15:16] <wrst> keep everything as lean as possible
[15:16] <wrst> depending on what you want to do you may need the AUR
[15:17] <wrst> but whatever you do DO NOT enable testing :)
[15:17] <wrst> that is if you want a stable system :)
[15:21] <Xpistos> I tried to do pacman -Syy but it said there are no servers configured
[15:23] <wrst> Xpistos: go to /etc/pacman.d/ and edit mirrorlist be sure that you have a server uncommented
[15:24] <wrst> probably use the one you installed with
[15:24] <wrst> also ping someplace to make sure you are online
[15:25] <Xpistos> well that is wierd
[15:25] <Xpistos> I was online
[15:25] <Xpistos> okay I am
[15:26] <Xpistos> there is nothing in /etc/pacman.d
[15:26] <wrst> ok edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and make sure you have a mirror uncommented, I'm assuming you chose nano as your editor of choice?
[15:26] <Xpistos> yep
[15:26] <wrst> Xpistos: that would be a problem :)
[15:26] <wrst> hang on
[15:27] <Xpistos> /etc/pacman.conf has the repos listed in it
[15:27] <wrst> yes but not the mirrors
[15:27] <wrst> it should redirect to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[15:27] <wrst> let me get you one fixed up hang on
[15:28] <wrst> Xpistos: wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/mirrorlist
[15:28] <wrst> and copy to /etc/pacman.d/
[15:29] <Xpistos> okay wait. mirror list is in there
[15:29] <wrst> of course you will need to be root
[15:29] <Xpistos> sorry
[15:29] <wrst> ok check and make sure that you have a mirror uncommented
[15:29] <Xpistos> I misunderstood
[15:29] <Xpistos> let me check
[15:29] <Xpistos> do I need more than one
[15:30] <wrst> nope
[15:30] <wrst> but...
[15:31] <wrst> if you uncomment one of the first two i think you will always have a good one
[15:31] <wrst> no danger in having more than one, pacman goes down the list, if it doesn't hit one it moves to the next uncommented many suggest havign 5
[15:32] <wrst> only issue is that if a mirror is slow catching up
[15:32] <wrst> but pacman generallly hadles all of that
[15:32] <Xpistos> ok synchronizing on the laptop now
[15:32] <Xpistos> may take a while
[15:41] <Xpistos> WOW, this is really nice
[15:42] <wrst> yeah it really is Xpistos
[15:42] <wrst> or I really like it anyway
[15:43] <Xpistos> I thought there was a lot more stuff to worry about  like every single package
[15:44] <wrst> nooo pacman is very simialr to apt-get it does all the work of dependencies for you
[15:44] <wrst> we aren't talking gentoo difficulty ;)
[15:44] <Xpistos> I am installing xorg now
[15:44] <Xpistos> and then if that goes I will install comix and I should be good to g
[15:45] <Xpistos> o
[15:54] <wrst> yep just be sure you install the xorg-utils and all those packages in the wiki it makes everything go a lot smoother, I'm bad to just install one thing then forget to look at the wiki for the rest :)
[16:51] <Xpistos> wrst: well i will tell you what, setting up x-org is not fun.
[16:51] <wrst> Xpistos: shouldn't be much setup to it unless you have an odd card ?
[16:52] <Xpistos> old card
[16:52] <Xpistos> xdpyinfo: unable to open display ""
[16:54] <wrst> did you install the mesa driver?
[16:55] <Xpistos> xf86-video-savage
[16:55] <wrst> vesa
[16:55] <wrst> try the vesa driver, pacman -Rd xf86-video-savage and install xf86-video-vesa you stand a better chance of it working
[16:56] <Xpistos> do i have to do anything after installing the driver?
[16:57] <wrst> i would reboot
[16:57] <Xpistos> ok
[16:57] <wrst> well yeah you need to reboot actually
[16:59] <Xpistos> interesting after the reboot I got a graphical terminal - lol
[17:00] <wrst> can you start x now?
[17:01] <Xpistos> on the laptop I got it using the savage driver
[17:01] <Xpistos> rebooting the vm now
[17:02] <Xpistos> yep
[17:02] <Xpistos> I got a clock and two terminal windows
[17:02] <wrst> oh wait you are on a vm?
[17:02] <wrst> thought this was on the laptop?
[17:02] <Xpistos> LOL - BOTH
[17:02] <Xpistos> lol
[17:02] <wrst> you running virtualbox?
[17:02] <Xpistos> The vm yes
[17:02] <Xpistos> any way. I have similar results on both
[17:03] <wrst> Xpistos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_VirtualBox_Guest
[17:03] <Xpistos> Holy crap it works
[17:04] <Xpistos> I am looking at comix (the app) in the gui right now
[17:04] <Xpistos> lol
[17:04] <wrst> there you go
[17:04] <Xpistos> I don't actually have a comic to try but I am going to install comix on the laptop and see what I got
[17:06] <wrst> are you going to run a desktop on it?
[17:06] <Xpistos> ok while the laptop does that, i am going to try and install icewm on the vm
[17:06] <Xpistos> I would like to but let's see what happens
[17:06] <wrst> what I like about arch is that it gives you totally vanilla packages on everything
[17:20] <Xpistos> holy crap I can read my books on the lapto
[17:20] <Xpistos> now if I can just figure out how to get icewm working I am golden
[17:37] <Xpistos> wllI couldn't get icewm working. It should be working but it isn't so I am going to to try xfce4
[17:59] <wrst> i have had good luck with openbox
[18:19] <Xpistos> wrst: well i got xfce working but I can't get it to run from .xinitrc
[18:20] <Xpistos> i have to "startxfce4" instead
[18:20] <wrst> Xpistos: you have xdm installed?
[18:20] <Xpistos> no
[18:20] <Xpistos> I don't want it cause I want to start the gui when I want t
[18:21] <wrst> ahh gotcha was going to suggest you add xdm to the daemons in rc.conf
[18:22] <wrst> never done what you are wanting there Xpistos
[18:23] <Xpistos> it is fine startxfce4 does that trick
[18:24] <Xpistos> maybe I will install a video player on it too and see how that works
[18:27] <Xpistos> what is a media player that is not resource intensive? VLC?
[18:27] <Xpistos> Dragon?
[18:37] <wrst> Xpistos: cyberanger is your man on that
[18:38] <wrst> but be warned he will have you watching videos using ASCII art on the terminal ;)
[18:38] <Xpistos> mplayer looked lightweight
[18:38] <Xpistos> I already saw the star wars one. lol
[18:39] <wrst> ha ha
[18:39] <wrst> i'm thinking mplayer would be as light weight as you will probably find but I don't deal with super light weight
[18:44] <cyberanger> vlc -I ncurses
[18:44] <cyberanger> (and it does launch an xwindow)
[18:47] <wrst> Xpistos: ^^^
[18:47] <wrst> cyberanger:  you are the man ;)
[18:48] <Xpistos> but you have to tell it to open a specific file yes?
[18:48] <Xpistos> vlc -l ncurses video.avi
[18:51] <Xpistos> bing
[18:51] <Xpistos> now I just need my sound to work
[18:52] <Xpistos> of course I didn't install a sound driver
[18:54] <Xpistos> and would mplayer work iwth ncurses?
[19:12] <cyberanger> Xpistos: with vlc, on the line like that, or in the interface (and it's vlc -I ncurses)
[19:12] <cyberanger> mplayer might, idk
[19:58] <Xpistos> still trying to get the sound card to work
[20:13] <wrst> older machines can be a pain Xpistos
[20:26]  * cyberanger hands out sme asprine


[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> .
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[16:23] <melodie> hi
[16:24] <melodie> I would like to ask some details about the way some parts of Launchpad work. I have an account and and old ppa for precise there and need to move on to know things
[16:24] <melodie> if someone can give me hints on how to do things best next, it would be nice
[16:24] <cjwatson> sure
[16:25] <melodie> hi cjwatson
[16:25] <melodie> here is my nest: https://launchpad.net/~meets
[16:26] <melodie> I would like to do two things next, start a ppa repos for trusty and vivid, copy a few ppa from other ppa's repos (ones I use, so I have only one ppa to add to my system) and the other thing, a new package project. Should I "branch" that? How should I get it organized?
[16:27] <melodie> the name for the ppa should be bento
[16:27] <teward> melodie: create a new PPA
[16:27] <melodie> hi teward
[16:27] <melodie> with the name bento then?
[16:27] <cjwatson> Whatever you like.
[16:28] <melodie> and then can I put different types of ppa packages in it?
[16:28] <teward> just create a new PPA, give it whatever name you choose, and do different uploads with different version strings which point to specific releases
[16:28] <teward> melodie: you just have to upload the packages, but yes
[16:28] <cjwatson> Or copy.
[16:28] <teward> true
[16:29] <melodie> to make my question more precise, in future ppa:bento can I put both packages I will create and packages I'll get from other ppa repos?
[16:29] <teward> melodie: my nginx staging PPAs, and then ~nginx ppas are a prime example of my environment.  THe staging PPAs get uploads from me to it.  `init-system-helpers` was copied in from elsewhere.  with each new nginx version, I repackage locally on my computer, and upload to the staging PPA where it builds
[16:29] <teward> melodie: lets evaluate things separately though... first, packages you create, you can just upload them (dput, etc.) and the PPA page gives you the upload commands.  You have to upload source packages though, not binary .debs
[16:30] <melodie> yes I know about no debs
[16:30] <teward> you can easily copy from one PPA to another, depending on the PPA on the source side
[16:30] <melodie> I just want to know how to add things to my ~meets account
[16:31] <melodie> "depending on the PPA on the source side" ?
[16:31] <melodie> what does this part mean?
[16:31] <teward> some private ppas will complain
[16:31] <teward> most public ones don't care
[16:31] <melodie> ok
[16:31] <melodie> what does complain look like?
[16:31] <melodie> I'll copy only ppa's that I'm already using in the Bento Openbox project
[16:31] <teward> impossible to explain and irrelevant for most PPAs
[16:31]  * teward yawns
[16:32] <melodie> teward ok so I don't care. :)
[16:32] <teward> urgh, nginx ftbfs again
[16:32]  * teward throws nginx 1.9.0 out the window, and the sbuild box with it
[16:32] <melodie> I use only ppa's I have been testing locally and will add them to the Bento Project
[16:33] <melodie> then once this done, can I and should I link ~meets to the Bento Openbox project page?  If I understand it right it will be a yes
[16:35] <melodie> I a starting to write the list of packages for a bento-desktop meta package
[16:35] <melodie> and while doing so I want to make sure the list starts to show in a new ppa repos
[16:35] <melodie> *I am starting to
[16:37] <cjwatson> There's no formal way to link a PPA to a project, but you can just edit the project description to mention it.
[16:37] <melodie> cjwatson ok, will do that. thanks
[16:38] <cjwatson> Incidentally, if you want a PPA to be worked on by multiple people, it's generally better to create a team to own it.  That's usually appropriate for something that's going to be associated with a project.
[16:39] <cjwatson> It could be owned by ~bento-dev, for instance.
[16:40] <cjwatson> Although only an administrator of a team can create PPAs owned by that team, so as currently configured you'll need to ask Gustavo Silva to do that step.  (Any team member can upload to or copy into a team-owned PPA once it's been created.)
[16:40] <melodie> does it mean creating a new account?
[16:40] <cjwatson> It's almost never necessary to create multiple Launchpad accounts per real person.
[16:40] <melodie> cjwatson then we have to change how it is configured. Gustavo only does communication
[16:40] <cjwatson> And certainly not in this case.
[16:41] <melodie> he started that page to help me but in no case will he create packages or lead the project
[16:41] <cjwatson> Somebody who only does communication is an odd choice to lead a development team.
[16:41] <melodie> yes I just didn't know how he would do that
[16:41] <cjwatson> You should probably just ask him to set you as a co-administrator of that team.
[16:41] <melodie> yes, that's what I was going to say
[16:42] <melodie> then in ~bento-dev I can create the new ppa : right?
[16:42] <cjwatson> Yes.
[16:42] <melodie> ok! I get it. thank you very much.
[16:45] <melodie> there are logs for the ubuntu chans, how long does it take to have discussions appear there?
[16:53] <cjwatson> melodie: As far as I remember, they update hourly.
[16:53] <melodie> oh good!
[16:53] <melodie> :)
[16:59] <teward> sorry i disappeared, i got busy
[16:59] <teward> :P
[16:59] <teward> but i see cjwatson has helped, melodie :)
[17:00] <melodie> teward indeed!
[17:00] <melodie> I sent the mail to gsilva
[17:01] <melodie> yesterday I had a discussion with a french guy from belgium how learns coding, he is into several languages at a time and is willing to join the project to help
[17:02] <teward> cjwatson is a resource, definitely, in fact i see cjwatson answering my questions more than all.  wgrant is second in that list of people who answer/field my questions, but most of my questions are technical or need lpadmins so meh :P
[17:03] <melodie> cjwatson is one of our very good Ubuntu gurus :D
[17:04] <melodie> always so helpful we need him
[17:05] <teward> indeed
[17:06] <melodie> teward what do you think about the sentence "less is more" ?
[17:06] <teward> cjwatson: stupid question but is the way Ubuntu's bug trackers say "Status tracked in [dev release at time]" handled at the backend level?
[17:06] <teward> been curious about that for some time
[17:06] <cjwatson> What do you mean by backend?
[17:06] <cjwatson> I mean, it's implemented in the LP webapp, but so is the rest of that page :-)
[17:07] <teward> cjwatson: as in not easily configured for other projects, and implementation wise would require development for other projects' usecase.
[17:07] <teward> just a question that's been on my mind for a while :)
[17:07] <teward> melodie: in what context?
[17:07] <melodie> I just saw the viewnior image viewer has been added to the latest 2 editions in the repos. It's very very small and works fine. So I am happy
[17:08] <teward> cjwatson: my thoughts are that such implementation has to be coded for the project at the web handler, etc.
[17:08] <melodie> smaller even than gpicview
[17:08] <teward> cjwatson: and that's really what my question was :P
[17:08] <teward> melodie: "it depends" is the answer i can give, because i'm not qualified to answer the question
[17:08] <cjwatson> teward: I believe that you get the same thing if you try to target a project bug task to the project's development focus series.
[17:08] <teward> melodie: use case is valid, feature requirements, etc., etc.
[17:08] <melodie> teward sure
[17:08] <cjwatson> teward: It's not utterly special-cased for Ubuntu, if that's what you mean.
[17:08] <teward> cjwatson: ahh, ok, cool.  perhaps I should go test that on qastaging or something to test the implemetation.
[17:09] <teward> cjwatson: that kinda answers my question, i just need a non-production environment
[17:09] <melodie> I just wanted to mention about viewnior, which brings in just about 800Kb
[17:09] <teward> we have a sandbox test env, no?
[17:09] <teward> (for just messing around with it to learn)
[17:09] <teward> hate laptops >.<
[17:09] <cjwatson> Sure, qastaging or staging is fine for that.
[17:10] <melodie> teward laptops or keyboards from laptops?
[17:10] <teward> cjwatson: probably will throw it at staging, because reasons.
[17:10] <teward> melodie: hate touchpads on laptops, give me the little track stick on some dell models anyday.
[17:10] <cjwatson> They're updated in different ways and on different schedules, but either is fine for this kind of thing.
[17:11] <teward> cjwatson: i know i ran extensive tests on my "Won't Fix for Karmic" script i had which did API calls and that was explicitly targeting one at a time for testing
[17:11] <teward> so yeah.
[17:11] <teward> cjwatson: qastaging is more cutting edge code/features no?
[17:11] <melodie> teward an added keyboard and mouse could help
[17:11] <teward> melodie: exactly, it's the failure for Ubuntu to autodisable the touchpad that irritates me
[17:11] <teward> :P
[17:11] <teward> but meh
[17:11] <teward> that's a different issue
[17:11] <melodie> teward can't gsynaptics help there?
[17:11] <cjwatson> teward: qastaging gets latest webapp code, staging gets latest database patches, but in practice the two are synced back and forth pretty frequently
[17:12] <teward> ack
[17:12] <teward> cjwatson: OK so for just messing with it to learn how the system implements features i could use either (or both), rather than production.  Thanks.
[17:12] <cjwatson> teward: The distinction matters for developers but if you just need a temporary sandbox it doesn't really matter
[17:13] <cjwatson> (hopefully) obviously neither is guaranteed to preserve changes for particularly long
[17:13] <teward> cjwatson: implementation wise, is there any way to say "If $anyseries is targeted, then track status in $anyseries rather than at project level"?  That sounds like an edge case but meh
[17:13] <teward> cjwatson: oh, of course, but sandbox testing... :P
[17:13] <teward> i think the 'if you want to experiment use staging' recommendation is still in the docs too
[17:13] <cjwatson> teward: not at present
[17:13] <cjwatson> except by setting that series as the development focus
[17:14] <teward> mmm, that's what i thought.  thanks.
[17:14] <teward> melodie: not sure if gsynaptics can help, but meh
[17:14] <teward> ultimately irrelevant as i can disable with a keyboard stroke :P
[17:14] <melodie> how do you do that?
[17:15] <cjwatson> can you maybe talk about touchpads in a more relevant channel? :)
[17:15] <melodie> cjwatson sorry /o\
[17:15] <melodie> teward #old-world ?
[17:15] <teward> cjwatson: already done, the discussion is ended now :P
[17:15] <melodie> :)
[17:15] <melodie> never mind...
[17:15] <teward> cjwatson: i may have other LP questions over the next few hours so meh
[17:15] <cjwatson> sure, though I'm about to finish up
[17:16] <teward> no rush on my questions though :)
[23:37] <GyrosGeier> hi
[23:37] <melodie> hi GyrosGeier
[23:37] <GyrosGeier> if I have a branch that requires another branch to be merged first, should I merge the other branch into my branch before sending a merge request?
[23:38] <GyrosGeier> I'd like the merge request to show only the changes that are part of that merge request, but the other branch needs to be applied first or I'd get merge conflicts
[23:39] <melodie> you answered your question yourself
[23:40] <melodie> I have a branch that requires another branch to be merged first || first things come first, don't you think so?
[23:40] <GyrosGeier> yes, the main question is whether the LP UI will do the right thing then?
[23:40] <melodie> else than that I have no knownledge of LP
[23:40] <melodie> you will have to wait for the people to come back


 :) Though usually I would not expect you to be on irc that quickly after
[07:30] <apw> smb, different location, different pattern
[07:31] <smb> apw, Yeah, wrong birds outside and wrong bed below one
[07:31] <apw> heh
[07:34] <apw> bah i would need to upgrade my openvpn server all the way to saucy to get official ipv6 support; that sucks
[07:35] <smb> Wow, would have thought we had support for longer now, and I thought just to have spotted changes in P about v6 in ... something
[07:37] <apw> it has some 'ipv6' options in there, but actually if you arn't just using a TAP it is pretty hard
[07:37] <apw> well i guess unless something got backported i guess
[07:39] <apw> oh it might be 'using ipv6 for transport' is not supported until 2.3
[07:40] <smb> I tend to be not following ipv6 that closely as you do (due to slacking on my side and any providers I got)
[08:02] <apw> slackage in ipv6 seems to be an industry standard
[08:03] <apw> it is funny (to me) that my vps has had  ipv6 from day 1, and i have had it more than 5 years
[09:13] <ppisati> brb
[13:02] <henrix> kamal-away: bjf: sconklin: this bug seems to be a regression in raring: bug #1215513
[13:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215513 in linux (Ubuntu) "System locks up, requires hard reset" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215513
[13:04]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:50] <sconklin> henrix: thanks
[13:51] <henrix> sconklin: in fact, the issue should be present in quantal as well. lets see if we can get the original bug reporter to test the kernels with the offending commit reversed
[13:58] <bjf> henrix, yes i was looking at that late yesterday
[14:08] <rtg> apw, the server dudes will likely be hassling us about bug #1218995 - you're kind of the expert in both topics
[14:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218995 in linux (Ubuntu) "Hyper-V Synthetic Video Frame Buffer Driver not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218995
[14:14] <bjf> henrix, since it's a staging driver and one that folks can easily disable and live without until its fixed i'm inclined to identify the fix and get it into the next cycle rather than respinning kernels at the end of this cycle
[14:15] <bjf> henrix, if we can identify the fix (and it looks like we may have already) we'll have -proposed kernels next week with the possible fix
[14:16] <henrix> bjf: makes sense to me. it looks there's a fix upstream, but its a non-trivial backport. i'm taking a look at it ATM, but we may just revert the offending commit as well
[14:16] <bjf> henrix, ack
[14:16] <bjf> sconklin, ^ seem reasonable ?
[14:16] <henrix> bjf: we'll probably need to bring a few extra commits to backport the fix to 3.5 and 3.8. but i'm still looking at it (trying to reproduce here)
[14:17] <sconklin> bjf, henrix: yes, seems reasonable to go with a workaround and figure out how to really fix it in the next cycle
[14:19] <rtg> henrix, bjf: as a matter of distro kernel policy, staging drivers are "best effort". we can do whatever we want because I don't consider them subject to SRU (as long as we don't do something egregiously stupid)
[14:19] <bjf> rtg, right that's why i wasn't going to respin for this issue
[14:20] <rtg> ack
[14:20] <bjf> rtg, henrix, also why i'm thinking just revert the 2-line patch and move on
[14:20] <bjf> if that is the issue
[14:20] <rtg> bjf, what driver is it ?
[14:20] <henrix> rtg: zram
[14:20] <rtg> ah, that mess
[14:25] <sconklin> rtg, bjf iirc there's talk of moving zram into mainline soonish
[14:26] <sconklin> fwiw
[14:26] <rtg> sconklin, yeah, but I think its had some serious work to get moved out of staging
[14:26] <rtg> I guess it depends on what kernel version we're talking about
[14:27] <sconklin> the only thing a search turned up is a story on phoronix, and we know how accurate that might be . . .
[14:55] <rtg> apw, did you notice this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/882147/comments/37
[14:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 882147 in coreutils (Ubuntu) "overlayfs does not implement inotify interfaces correctly" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:27] <rtg> jsalisbury, can you help out Til on bug #1167301 ?
[15:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1167301 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:0166 [ThinkPad Twist S230u 3347] REGRESSION: Mirroring display works only with 1024x768 (4:3) whereas my laptop has 1366x768 (16:9) & external monitor 1920x1080 (16:9)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167301
[15:28] <jsalisbury> rtg, sure
[17:30] <smoser> rtg, what made you think udev at bug 1220918 ?
[17:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220918 in linux (Ubuntu) "networking does not come up in cloud image on hyper-v" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220918
[17:30] <smoser> it isn't impossible, but seems unlikely to me.
[17:31] <rtg> smoser, because you can manually configure the network ? that implies the driver is working.
[17:31] <smoser> if you look at the boot log, 'ci-info' (from cloud-init) shows that the network interfaces is up.
[17:31] <smoser> and /etc/network/interfaces is 'auto eth0' and 'dhcp'.
[17:32] <smoser> so it would seem udev did its job of sending the network device added and ifup brought tried to dhcp, but the dhcp failed.
[17:33] <smoser> i suspected dhcp server was busted, this is reported to work if you just swap out a precise image.
[17:33] <rtg> smoser, ok, I didn't look that close. if dhcp is running on that interface then udev has likely done its job.
[17:33] <smoser> i dont know for sure that dhcp is running... but 'ifconfig' showed the interface up.
[17:34] <rtg> smoser, I wonder what would happen if you ran dhclient by hand ?
[17:34] <smoser> well as reported it worked.
[17:34] <smoser> but that was much later in boot.
[17:35] <rtg> smoser, what was the bug number again ? I'll go back and take a closer look.
[17:35] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220918
[17:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220918 in linux (Ubuntu) "networking does not come up in cloud image on hyper-v" [High,Incomplete]
[17:36] <smoser> basically, they tried to boot an image, it failed, logged in, ran 'ubuntu-bug' (and created the attached data)
[17:36] <smoser> and then ran 'ifup eth0' and it worked.
[17:41] <smoser> jsalisbury, do you have an easy way to install raring kernel into saucy ?
[17:42] <rtg> smoser, well, the driver thinks it is up; "[   14.878905] hv_netvsc vmbus_0_12: Device MAC fa:16:3e:3f:96:eb link state up"
[17:42] <smoser> that woudl be another good reason to think its up :)
[17:42] <smoser> but 'ifconfig eth0 up' isn't "dhcp worked"
[17:42] <rtg> how about getting them to try the official release kernel ?
[17:42] <smoser> well 12.04 works. per report.
[17:42] <smoser> what is "official release kernel"
[17:43] <smoser> raring ?
[17:43] <rtg> 3.11.0-5 ?
[17:43] <smoser> 3.11.0-4.9
[17:43] <smoser> is what they used.
[17:44] <rtg> they are booting 3.11.0-4 which is an -rc7 kernel IIRC
[17:44] <smoser> well its what was in a cloud image built yesterday.
[17:44] <smoser> err. maybe 2 days ago.
[17:44] <rtg> hmm, freaking beta freeze ....
[17:44] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/saucy/current/saucy-server-cloudimg-amd64.manifest
[17:45] <smoser> yeah, that is still in there today.
[17:45] <rtg> -5 should bubble up in another day or 2
[18:30]  * apw has had enough of reviewing xen, and calls it a day
[18:32]  * smb has had enough of being reviewed and does the same
[20:05] <jsalisbury> smoser, sorry missed your request.  You can download the Raring kernel from: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux/3.8.0-30.44
[20:05] <jsalisbury> smoser, and install it with dpkg
[20:06] <jsalisbury> smoser, unless you want to wait and test the 3.11.0-5 kernel first
[20:08] <rtg> kamal, looks like a 3.8 regression in bug #1167301 (see comment #57)
[20:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1167301 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:0166 [ThinkPad Twist S230u 3347] REGRESSION: Mirroring display works only with 1024x768 (4:3) whereas my laptop has 1366x768 (16:9) & external monitor 1920x1080 (16:9)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167301
[20:15] <kamal> rtg, looking at the code, I think the behavior would be the same even now in 3.11
[20:16] <rtg> kamal, I'm sure Til would be happy to verify that for you
[20:16] <kamal> "for me"   ;-)
[20:21] <kamal> rtg, fyi, he already confirmed that the problem still happens in 3.11 (comment #50)
[20:21] <rtg> kamal, ack
[20:23] <kamal> rtg, so this is effectively "just" an upstream drm bug.  I'm inclined to advise him to file a bug on kernel.org.
[20:24] <rtg> kamal, yep, but you might also consider reverting it from stable in the meantime
[20:25] <kamal> rtg, but then I'd be re-breaking whatever it was intended to fix in the first place (and its been in 3.8 stable since 3.8.8 -- ages and ages) ... and it'll appear in Saucy.   I don't think I'll revert it from 3.8 unless/until upstream agrees (which I bet they won't).
[20:26] <rtg> ok
[20:41] <kamal> jsalisbury, fyi regarding your comment #47 in bug 1167301 ...  The patch that Til posted there isn't a proposed fix -- that's the content of the committed patch that broke it
[20:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1167301 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:0166 [ThinkPad Twist S230u 3347] REGRESSION: Mirroring display works only with 1024x768 (4:3) whereas my laptop has 1366x768 (16:9) & external monitor 1920x1080 (16:9)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167301
[20:41] <jsalisbury> kamal, ahh, ok.
[20:41] <kamal> jsalisbury, specifically 196e077dc165a307efbd9e7569f81bbdbcf18f65
[20:44] <jsalisbury> kamal, thanks.  I'd yet to look close at the commit that caused the regression.
[20:45] <kamal> jsalisbury, np... until I looked at the commit, I misunderstood what he meant there too!