[03:35] <Patero-ng> who wants to play zsnes?
[03:37] <holstein> Patero-ng: you can try an offtopic ubuntu channel for that
[03:38] <Patero-ng> cool
[05:32] <cfhowlett> I can't download CodeFree Magazine.  I'm in China and Wordpress is blocked.  Workarounds / Alternatives suggestions welcomed ...
[05:35] <holstein> get someone to download it for you and share it with you... get a vpn.. contact the maintainer/creator and ask them for a workaround, or an alternate method of getting the magazine.. or just ask them to email it to you
[05:37] <cfhowlett> thanks holstein.  sadly, I can't seem to find ANY contact details ..
[05:37] <cfhowlett> and China just formalized it: VPN use is illegal.
[05:38] <cfhowlett> Not to mention that the Great Firewall is getting more intelligent by the day.  My last 2 VPN providers are now quite effectively blocked.
[05:41] <holstein> cfhowlett: is mediafire blocked?
[05:43] <holstein> how about dropbox? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/codefree/codefree1.pdf https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/codefree/codefree-3.pdf https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/codefree/codefree4.pdf
[05:44] <holstein> for the 2nd one http://www.mediafire.com/?z7wn1yxzs5c
[05:44] <cfhowlett> holstein: you, Sir, are a gentleman!
[05:44] <holstein> Contact: chrisdesign (at) gmx (.net)
[05:45] <cfhowlett> Weird, though.  Win7 can see and access Dropbox.  I never did manage to install Dropbox in 12.04.  and mediafire is blocked.
[05:45] <cfhowlett> and I still can't get to dropbox via firefox.
[05:45] <cfhowlett> by the far the strangest thing?  I edited my /hosts file and can see FB ... but not twit or YT
[05:46] <cfhowlett> holstein: could I ask you to mail the magazines to me?  Please?
[05:46] <holstein> cfhowlett: you cant get it from dropbox?
[05:47] <holstein> how about this.. what can you get it from?
[05:47] <cfhowlett> holstein: not via direct DL.  Possibly via shared dropbox or via email.
[05:47] <holstein> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/codefree/codefree2.pdf
[05:47] <holstein> cfhowlett: pm me your email if you'd like
[05:49] <cfhowlett> I kind of hoped I could find a torrent but no such luck ...
[06:14] <cfhowlett> Problem Solved!
[06:14] <cfhowlett> Thanks Mike!
[06:14] <Eddward> Are there any kernels in the repos that do not have oss-compat crippled?
[14:15] <guest2> are there real people here?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> on occasion
[14:24] <guest2> well i guest at least there are two, as far as I can tell.
[14:24] <guest2> Hello, all.... any Bristol users out there?
[14:25] <len-1304> You may find more of that on LAU
[14:25] <guest2> LAU?
[14:26] <len-1304> Linux audio user mailing list.
[14:26] <guest2> ta.
[14:33] <guest2> is this channel specific to ubuntu studio?
[14:33] <cfhowlett> yes
[14:34] <len-1304> guest2, if you luck out sometimes you hit a topic that someone knows well even outside of studio.
[14:35] <len-1304> But there are not as many people here as appears. This is due to time zones and work etc.
[14:38] <guest2> Well, i'm runnning lubuntu 12.04 on a ppc G4 1.4.... does that seem close enough?
[14:39] <len-1304> If you have specific questions, ask. If one of us knows the answer we will answer. Maybe hours later if you are still on.
[14:46] <guest2> thanks..  it seems I have an installation issue? I had Bristol installed from APT-GET but no sound...  so I uninstalled and tried to manually install from the Source-Forge web site thinking it was the  latest.  Wrong .. it was an earlier version. So tried to re-install through the repositories....
[14:49] <guest2> Now no gui... and now it throwing an error that says it can't find a library which I clearly see in the folder..  Now my question is is there a config file somewhere that I have to edit... so something of the sort to rectify this situation?
[14:52] <len-1304> For building you need to install the -dev version of the same lib
[14:52] <len-1304> It is the .h files it is looking for.
[15:14] <guest2> 'brighton: error while loading shared libraries: libC11.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'


[16:28] <louisdk> I have got an issue after updating my Mythbuntu 12.04 to 14.04. After boot it'll start mythtv frontend with the xfce panel present on top. The only way to fix this is to close the frontend app and start again using a keyboard.
[17:19] <superm1> louisdk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1282868
[17:19] <superm1> i've added a temporary workaround there
[17:19] <superm1> no one has come up with a permanent solution yet though
[18:05] <louisdk> superm1: Thx :)
[18:06] <superm1> Sure thing
[18:10] <louisdk> superm1: Does your temporary fix start a kind of MW to start the frontend in full screen or what does it do?
[18:11] <superm1> louisdk: when you run that command it modifies the window attributes to make it on top of everything
[18:11] <superm1> the problem is likely mythfrontend forgetting to set an attribute or it conflicting with one set by xfce4-panel
[18:13] <louisdk> superm1. Ahh okay. Nice.
[18:31] <louisdk> superm1: It's hard to debug on this issue, because it only occurs at boot, restarting frontend or log out and it again it works. I would like to add something to autostart so it just started in full screen by default.
[18:32] <superm1> louisdk: yeah that does make it very difficult to debug
[18:32] <superm1> you should be able to add that command somewhere in autostart to get it to workaround automatically
[18:32] <superm1> i use a harmony to turn on my TV and ended up binding it to the power on comand
[18:32] <superm1> *command
[22:52] <cohn> hi, are there any good mythbuntu guides for getting a set top box + remote working with lirc?


[15:12] <dantalizing> morning
[18:15] <mhall119> oh look, it's a dantalizing
[18:45] <dantalizing> woot
[23:11] <ahoneybun> mhall119: can I get access to the fl loco twitter account?
[23:11] <ahoneybun> also https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/622503853875826689


[00:00] <Krasus> nooo
[00:00] <Krasus> ;p
[00:00] <bioterror> but if you want to chat with lubunteers
[00:00] <bioterror> about anything, you're free to join #lubuntu-offtopic
[00:00] <Krasus> yea I know offtopic:)
[00:00] <bioterror> :D
[00:00] <Krasus> are u there ?
[00:00] <bioterror> ofcourse
[00:01] <Krasus> ok :)
[00:01] <Krasus> so I will join next time
[00:01] <Krasus> and now good night :)
[00:01] <bioterror> okies, laters
[00:08] <semitones> will lubuntu be official by april?
[00:13] <stlsaint> semitones: no telling
[03:03] <Bookman> How do I create a usb bootable stick with an .iso image file?
[03:05] <semitones> does lubuntu have system> admininstration> startup disk creator?
[03:06] <Bookman> That is what I was looking for.  I installed it, but cannot find it.
[03:06] <Bookman> Never mind....found it!!!
[03:08] <Bookman> Ah, but it does not let me select a downloaded .iso file that I have on my desktop
[03:08] <semitones> i wish i could help -- but I don't have lubuntu installed at the moment...
[03:09] <semitones> on ubuntu you can choose the iso file
[03:12] <semitones> http://i.imgur.com/jT4FU.png
[03:12] <semitones> is what i see
[03:12] <Bookman> Yes, here I cannot.
[03:12] <Bookman> Hmm.
[03:13] <Bookman> I hit 'other' and select the image but it does not show up in the list
[03:13] <head_victim> Is that in Ubuntu or Lubuntu?
[03:13] <Bookman> Lubuntu
[03:14] <head_victim> Ok just installing it so I can have a look for you
[03:16] <head_victim> What program did you install? usb-creator ?
[03:16] <Bookman> I believe that is what it was called
[03:17] <head_victim> So where does it install to, I can't find it on the menu's either
[03:17] <Bookman> Preferences
[03:18] <head_victim> ah you installed the -gtk one I guess
[03:18] <Bookman> Preferences>Startup DisckCreator
[03:18] <Bookman> yes
[03:18] <head_victim> Ok now I'm with you sorry. I've used it heaps before but not under lubuntu
[03:19] <Bookman> No problem.  I've used it under ubuntu and it worked.
[03:19] <head_victim> Ok I can select any iso
[03:19] <Bookman> hmm
[03:19] <head_victim> I'm not certain but a common problem is the lack of gvfs-backend package you might have a look at if you haven't already
[03:20] <head_victim> Explained here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat/#Network File Browsing with PCManFM
[03:20] <Bookman> Is there anything else that will do it?
[03:20] <Bookman> Without a ton of background work?
[03:21] <head_victim> so do you have gvfs-backends installed?
[03:22] <Bookman> yes
[03:23] <head_victim> So when you hit "other" it just doesn't do anything?
[03:24] <Bookman> Yes, file selector window opens, I navigate to the .iso I want is.  I select that .iso.  It does not show up in the source window.
[03:24] <Bookman> the file selector window closes though
[03:25] <head_victim> I'm sorry I can't reproduce that at all. I was hoping to get to the same spot as you do so I could help but mine is just working
[03:26] <Bookman> Must be something wrong with my install
[03:26] <head_victim> The mailing list might be more useful for you though, https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop has the email address and signup details
[03:27] <Bookman> I will try to completely remove it and reinstall it.
[03:28] <Bookman> If that doesn't work, I'll boot into Ubuntu and get the work done there.
[03:28] <head_victim> Ok mate, sorry I couldn't help
[03:29] <Bookman> Nope, same fault....something must be wrong with my machine here....or my install of Lubuntu is not working correctly
[03:30] <Bookman> No other software can do this same thing????
[03:32] <head_victim> I'm sure there's heaps but that's the only one I've ever used
[03:33] <head_victim> You could try to load it from cli and see if it throws any errors you can debug
[03:34] <Bookman> what is the actual program name?
[03:34] <Bookman> that is actually a good idea and I should have already thought of that
[03:35] <head_victim> usb-creator-gtk I think
[03:36] <Bookman> nope, no error
[03:36] <Bookman> It just does not select the file that I select
[03:36] <Bookman> It does have two selected by default that are in my downloads directory.  They are both lubuntu .isos
[03:37] <Bookman> did you try with a non lubuntu .iso file?
[03:37] <head_victim> Yeah I used the Ubuntu 64 bit alternate
[03:38] <Bookman> Ok, then that is not it.
[03:38] <head_victim> Try running as sudo?
[03:39] <Bookman> Good idea, but no.
[03:39] <Bookman> Same thing
[03:40] <Bookman> But, it did not pre-select the lubuntu .iso files in the downloads directory
[03:42] <head_victim> Sorry mate I'm running out of ideas :/;
[03:43] <Bookman> No problemo.....I'll try under Ubuntu and see what happens!
[03:43] <Bookman> Thanks for trying though.
[03:45] <head_victim> You're welcome
[04:02] <Bookman> head_victim, nope, does not work under Ubuntu either.
[04:03] <head_victim> Bookman: that is really weird.
[04:03] <head_victim> I'm sorry but I'm organising myself to head off to work though.
[04:03] <head_victim> Might be a file browser type issue? I'm not really sure
[04:03] <Bookman> No problem.  Have a great day!
[04:03] <head_victim> Or might be a problem with the one ISO
[04:04] <Bookman> Yeah, I'm trying another iso
[04:22] <Bookman> no matter what I try it does not work
[04:22] <Bookman> My son has a windows 7 machine, let's see if that will get the job done
[04:31] <Umino948> hi
[04:32] <Umino948> anyone there ?
[04:32] <Bookman> Yes
[04:33] <Umino948> i have a question ... may be a noobish one ...
[04:33] <Umino948> is it ok ?
[04:33] <Bookman> yup
[04:34] <Umino948> how "easy" is it to use lubuntu when you are a total noob ... is it as easy as the original ubuntu or ar there differences?
[04:35] <Bookman> Pretty easy and help is right here.
[04:36] <Umino948> the thing is ... i want to give a friend a computer ... some old pentium III running at 1000mhz and 512 mb of RAM
[04:37] <Umino948> i like ubuntu because its easy to use but i'm a bit concerned about the system being not powerfull enough ...
[04:37] <Umino948> searching the web i heard that lubuntu is more resource efficient
[04:38] <Bookman> I should work.  I have a similar system here and it works just fine
[04:39] <Umino948> ok ... and it is about as easy to install new stuff via the built in packet manager ?
[04:39] <Bookman> On another note, the Startup Disk Creator definately does not work.
[04:39] <Bookman> Umino948, yup, no issues on my end
[04:39] <Bookman> Worked just great!
[04:39] <Umino948> what does it do ? buld an emergency disk ?
[04:39] <Umino948> *buil
[04:44] <Umino948> i'm trying to install it on a virtual machine to test it but it looks like it doesnt work ...
[04:45] <Bookman> Umino948, what does not work?
[04:45] <Umino948> well nothing ... a black screen is all i get ...
[04:46] <Bookman> ok, under a vm you get a black screen?
[04:46] <Umino948> i'm using virtualbox 4.0.0 on a windows 7 host
[04:46] <Umino948> yes ... the vm "screen" stays black right after booting the CD image
[04:47] <Bookman> Ok, 64 bit windows 7 and 64 bit lubuntu?
[04:47] <Umino948> nope ... 32bit ...
[04:47] <Bookman> 32 bit windows 7 and 32 bit lubuntu?
[04:48] <Umino948> i guess... got the iso frum lubuntu.net ... doesnt say anything if its 32 or 64 bit ...
[04:49] <Umino948> filename just says lubuntu-10.10.iso
[04:50] <Bookman> Well, under Windows 7 I do not have experience, sorry about that.
[04:50] <Bookman> I'm trying Windows 7 to solve my USB creation problems at the moment
[04:50] <Umino948> i'll try it on real hardware ... be right back ...
[04:54] <Umino948> ok .. seems like it just doesnt like the VM ...
[04:55] <Umino948> on my old athlon @ 1200mhz with 386mb RAM the disk starts fine
[04:57] <Bookman> Should work on your minimal hardware (my dream machine when I was 20!)
[05:00] <Umino948> how old are you now ?
[05:01] <Bookman> ?
[05:01] <Bookman> 150 years Linux time
[05:02] <Umino948> i mean ... because you said that "minimal hardware was your dream machine when you were 20 ... so i guess you are older now
[05:03] <Bookman> Yes....I started with a TRS-80 COCO
[05:03] <Umino948> WTF is that ?
[05:03] <Bookman> There you go
[05:03] <Bookman> Tandy
[05:03] <Bookman> Radio Shack
[05:05] <phillw> Umino948 you have an invite
[05:05] <Umino948> good old motorola 68xx CPU
[05:05] <Umino948> haha ... right dragon ..
[05:05] <Bookman> there you go!!!!
[07:23] <wolfpack> I am facing some problem lately while configuring pidgin for IRC chat
[07:23] <wolfpack> I  am getting this error ------"Unable to connect: Access denied: HTTP proxy server forbids port 6667 tunneling"....In my college we need to pass through proxy to connect to internetnet
[07:26] <hajour> AndrewLee, can you help wolfpack ?
[07:28] <hajour> wolfpack> I am facing some problem lately while configuring pidgin for IRC chat
 I  am getting this error ------"Unable to connect: Access denied: HTTP proxy server forbids port 6667 tunneling"....In my college we need to pass through proxy to connect to internetnet
[07:28] <bioterror> :D
[07:28] <hajour> great
[07:28] <hajour> bioterror, ^
[07:32] <bioterror> ircing is denied in that place
[07:32] <bioterror> such is life
[07:33] <bioterror> I suggest to think about buying a shell acount and irc from there, if that place allows ssh connections
[07:33] <bioterror> which is allowed in many places
[07:34] <hajour> wolfpack, ^
[07:35] <bioterror> I suggest to try ssh'ng to some where
[07:35] <bioterror> before making any decissions
[07:48] <no--name> how do I add stuff to the LXDE menu?
[07:48] <no--name> The sort of START menu thingy.
[08:10] <bioterror> geee
[08:10] <bioterror> what I shame we cant answer to question in 3 mins
[08:33] <bioterror> tbqh we should have a proper wiki for these kind of things in lubuntu
[08:34] <bioterror> how to add stuff to menu
[08:34] <bioterror> cp /usr/share/applications/bmon.desktop /usr/share/applications/new.desktop
[08:34] <bioterror> and tell to edit to a proper one
[08:35] <bioterror> Yorvyk, what do you think
[08:46] <Yorvyk> bioterror: I'm writing some stuff at the moment to add to the wiki,  I've been noting the questions that keep occuring.
[08:46] <bioterror> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ this is really... just a "documentation"
[08:48] <Yorvyk> That's the problem through out Linux.  There is documentation but, it is scattered all over or intended for developers, or out of date.
[08:48] <bioterror> yes, that's not helping random joiners
[08:49] <bioterror> everything is explained to through out and one with the ADHD cant read that much information
[08:49] <bioterror> too
[08:49] <bioterror> he needs an example right now and what all those lines means
[08:50] <Yorvyk> That's why the man pages aren't of use to newbies; no examples
[08:55] <Yorvyk> The clock settings highlight another problem; it tells you to see the man page to alter it, when what's really needed is a simple GUI with a couple of standard settings to choose from.
[09:01] <edster_> anyone using pidgin on lubuntu 10.10? i'm getting segmentation fault
[09:08] <bioterror> edster_, have you loaded any plugins_
[09:08] <edster_> no it's just a fresh install
[09:08] <bioterror> weird
[09:08] <edster_> i'm trying to update to 2.79 now.. see if that helps.. default install was on 2.73
[09:10] <bioterror> oh great
[09:10] <bioterror> I got update which askd if I would like to set key to change keyboard layout
[09:10] <bioterror> I chose not to add that key
[09:11] <bioterror> and now Ive got american keyboard layout instead if finnish/swedish
[09:11] <edster_> oh.. that happened during the update? didn't ask me that.. weird.
[09:11] <bioterror> well, Im running natty
[09:11] <bioterror> :D
[09:11] <edster_> oh.. how is that btw
[09:11] <bioterror> but still
[09:11] <edster_> using lxde?
[09:11] <bioterror> yeah
[09:12] <edster_> stable enough for everyday use?
[09:13] <bioterror> depends, if you can live things like these and you can solve problems like these
[09:13] <edster_> so probably not. :)
[09:13] <edster_> darn.. segfault with 2.7.9
[09:14] <bioterror> you have something broken
[09:14] <edster_> it's default installation.. unless there's something funny wiht my hardware and lubuntu..
[09:14] <bioterror> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Backtrace
[09:14] <bioterror> do a backtrace
[09:15] <bioterror> and post to launchpad your bug
[09:15] <edster_> ya.. i think i'll do that..
[09:16] <edster_> btw.. do u know if smb is integrated into pcman
[09:16] <bioterror> ability to browser window shares
[09:16] <edster_> ya
[09:16] <bioterror> or you want to share something_
[09:16] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[09:16] <bioterror> and restart pcmanfm
[09:16] <edster_> read/write to winshare
[09:17] <edster_> let me try that
[09:19] <bioterror> I'm not satisfied with this now that I have to setxkbmap
[09:19] <edster_> what is that
[09:27] <bioterror> had to make xorg.conf and add keyboard lines
[09:27] <bioterror> öÖÄöä, works like a charm
[09:30] <edster_> hey. my gdb and pidgin both froze
[09:30] <edster_> while i'm trying to do a backtrace
[09:30] <edster_> dont know what the deal is with that
[09:38] <bioterror> edster_, I suggest to run memtest86+
[09:39] <edster_> oh.. u think it's a hardware memory issue
[10:02] <bioterror> edster_, worth of checking, not normal
[10:53]  * JLuc just installed dropbox and added it to the autostart - great !
[10:58] <Yorvyk> JLuc: You realise that makes you our Dropbox expert and anybody with problems will directed to you :P
[11:01] <bioterror> hahaha
[11:13] <bioterror> Yorvyk, we made yesterday a working installation ;)
[11:13] <bioterror> Yorvyk, using dpkg :D
[11:14] <bioterror> but I didnt think it needs to be autorun
[11:19] <JLuc> ok when i'm here !
[11:19] <Yorvyk> bioterror: all the Dropbox installs I've done produce a .desktop file in Autostart
[11:21] <JLuc> i had to add a line in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[11:22] <JLuc> as i had done previously with skype
[11:23] <JLuc> but here the line refers to the absolute path of the appl, /home/me/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd
[11:24] <JLuc> well...
[11:24] <JLuc> next work : provide a way to send reduced photographs with thunderbird without having to use gimp previously...
[11:25] <JLuc> you know how ?
[11:28] <JLuc> well...
[11:28] <bioterror> imagemagick
[11:28] <JLuc> see later
[11:28] <bioterror> ofcourse
[11:29] <JLuc> ok i will try
[11:29] <bioterror> convert is okay
[11:29] <bioterror> but I think it will change the origina
[11:29] <bioterror> original
[11:29] <bioterror> sorry
[11:30] <bioterror> mogrify is the one that changes "original" file
[11:30] <bioterror> and convert does it without touching the original
[11:30] <bioterror> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php
[11:31] <JLuc> i would like to get a right click interface
[11:31] <JLuc> with a "send reduced image" option on image files
[11:31] <bioterror> yeah and I would like to date miss universumn, but well, you know, things just doesnt happen ;)
[11:31] <JLuc> in the file manager
[11:31] <JLuc> ah
[11:31] <bioterror> imagemagicks convert is closest thing that you get
[11:32] <JLuc> ok
[11:32] <JLuc> :-(
[11:32] <JLuc> thanx anyway
[11:32] <kosaidpo_> hello guys
[11:33] <kosaidpo_> idk why when i try to install something it suggest to me  a hole bucnh of other packages and its not cool at all anynoe kno how to avoid this ??
[11:33] <kosaidpo_> here http://pastebin.com/mgnmNZTJ so much packages to install when i asked to install only 4
[11:37] <bioterror> how about reading the man page of apt-get
[11:37] <bioterror> there's a section which says:
[11:37] <bioterror>        --no-install-recommends
[11:37] <bioterror>            Do not consider recommended packages as a dependency for
[11:37] <bioterror>            installing. Configuration Item: APT::Install-Recommends.
[11:38] <kosaidpo_> bioterror: okies thanks
[11:39] <kosaidpo_> bioterror: btw is there any dictionnary ican use offline ??
[11:39] <kosaidpo_> i mean an dicotionnary app ;]
[11:39] <bioterror> I dunno
[11:39] <bioterror> I use "dict"
[11:40] <kosaidpo_> but u have to be connected to the net ??
[11:40] <kosaidpo_> me iwant one that can work offline : O
[11:40] <bioterror> well, I'm 24/7 connected to intahnetz, unless my ISP messes things up
[11:40] <kosaidpo_> haha i can see
[11:42] <Yorvyk> kosaidpo_:  It's kanagram that brings in all those files, being a KDE app it needs the libraries.
[11:42] <kosaidpo_> Yorvyk: thanks ;]
[11:43] <kosaidpo_> ill see how kde tend to be heavy tho
[11:43] <JLuc> miss universum is my everyday neighbour so i'm used to it and would miss it
[11:43] <bioterror> :D
[11:44] <JLuc> i will check on geckozone
[11:44] <Yorvyk> kosaidpo_: what do you mean by dictionary
[11:45] <bioterror> Yorvyk, something like "dict" I assume
[11:45] <kosaidpo_> to find definition of words and can be used offline  ( not translating  )
[11:46] <Yorvyk> I think bioterror is right and there isn't one
[11:47] <kosaidpo_> :P and this dicts cant use it offline ??
[11:56] <JLuc> before and without reducing images...
[11:56] <JLuc> is there a way to get "send file by mail" on right clicking a document icon in the file manager or desktop ?
[11:57] <Yorvyk> JLuc: cunning programming :p
[12:03] <bioterror> you should suggest that one to pcman ;D
[12:07] <JLuc> I need a dict too... or a slang dict maybe ?
[12:08] <JLuc> Marked by or given to artful subtlety and deceptiveness.
[12:08] <JLuc> 2. Executed with or exhibiting ingenuity.
[12:08] <JLuc> 3. Delicately pleasing; pretty or cute: a cunning pet.$
[12:08] <bioterror> yeah, one urban dictionary application is welcome and one for querying encyclopedia dramatica :D
[12:09] <JLuc> it should be 2.
[12:09] <JLuc> then, 1 too !
[12:09] <JLuc> is it the same with ubuntu and other distros ?
[12:13] <kosaidpo_> JLuc: stardict i jst install ed it
[12:14] <kosaidpo_> its offline
[12:15] <JLuc> non c'était une blaque le dico : je comprenais pas 'cunning' ;-)
[12:15] <JLuc> ubuntu seems to have "send to" option
[12:16] <JLuc> and "send to trash" aswell
[12:16] <JLuc> so its specific to lubuntu
[12:16] <bioterror> those are in nautilus
[12:17] <bioterror> lubunt uses pcmanfm
[12:22] <Yorvyk> Once you start adding features things get bigger and slower
[12:44] <edster_> Yorvyk: Agree. Just look at xubuntu now.
[12:52] <bioterror> shell :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd
[12:52] <bioterror> UNION
[12:52] <bioterror> DINOCO
[12:52] <bioterror> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[12:52] <bioterror> ohop
[12:52] <bioterror> wrong window
[12:52] <bioterror> if I type /clear, you wont see those lines
[12:53] <bioterror> ou yeah
[12:53] <JLuc> i have installed nautilus
[12:54] <bioterror> my condolences
[12:54] <JLuc> there is 'send to trash' but not 'send by mail' in its icons right clic
[14:01] <frogballs> when 1010 expires, is that also when the next lts comes out?
[15:09] <ChrisDruif> Hai everyone
[15:11] <ChrisDruif> Someone went through the trouble to update the Using the Terminal page, but didn't update the stylesheet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[16:20] <Cradam> hi im thinking of getting lubuntu and was wondering whether any1 know's the reccomended system specs for it
[16:23] <Cradam> or how much quicker it is compared to xubuntu
[16:55] <phillw> Cradam: have read of the topic :)
[16:55] <phillw> Cradam: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/#System requirements
[16:57] <Cradam> ur a bit l8 but i might try it im going to be using puppy linux
[20:11] <umino> hi everyone
[20:12] <umino> phillw are you there ?
[20:13] <umino> anyone else ?
[20:18] <Mark76> I'm here
[20:20] <bioterror> umino, remove icedtea6, remove openjdk*
[20:20] <bioterror> and install sun-java6-jre,-bin,-fonts,-plugin
[20:21] <bioterror> those opensource java thingies does not work with propietary java
[20:22] <umino> ah ok
[20:22] <bioterror> besure to remove all those icedtea6 and openjdk
[20:22] <bioterror> and default-jre
[20:22] <bioterror> and then install sun-java6-jre,-bin-....
[20:22] <umino> i'm going to remove all java stuff i installed so far
[20:23] <umino> and then i need the sun-jave-JRE
[20:23] <bioterror> sun-java6-
[20:23] <bioterror> use tab key to complete
[20:24] <bioterror> makes your life easier
[20:24] <umino> ^_^
[20:24] <bioterror> if you use terminal
[20:24] <umino> ok ... synaptic doesnt show me anything so i guess i need the terminal first
[20:24] <bioterror> ey
[20:24] <bioterror> hey!
[20:25] <bioterror> one thing
[20:25] <bioterror> in synaptic
[20:25] <bioterror> enable partner repository
[20:25] <bioterror> you need as the propietary java is located in it
[20:29] <umino> BRB
[20:33] <umino> i'm back
[20:34] <umino> ok .. how do i get synaptic to install the other packages ... like the original sun java
[20:34] <bioterror> did you enable that partner repository?
[20:35] <umino> how ?
[20:35] <bioterror> jsettings repositories
[20:35] <bioterror> settings > repositories
[20:36] <bioterror> put checkmark on all boxes ":D"
[20:36] <bioterror> except source code
[20:36] <umino> i have main, universe, restricted and multiverse checked
[20:36] <bioterror> okay
[20:36] <bioterror> Other Software
[20:36] <bioterror> you have there third
[20:36] <bioterror> Canonical Partners
[20:38] <umino> right under cdrom ?
[20:38] <bioterror> other software is that tab
[20:38] <bioterror> yeah some where there
[20:38] <bioterror> you got it?
[20:38] <umino> ok i check that
[20:38] <umino> and then ?
[20:38] <bioterror> close synaptic and let it load the library
[20:39] <umino> its loading
[20:39] <bioterror> in terminal
[20:39] <bioterror> after that
[20:39] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-fonts sun-java6-plugin
[20:40] <bioterror> and restart your browser and head to the site http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[20:40] <umino> and there it is .. sun-java6-jre is in the list now
[20:41] <umino> copied that in the terminal and its doing something
[20:42] <umino> console is faster if you know what you want ^_^
[20:42] <bioterror> sure it is
[20:42] <bioterror> you dont have to move mouse all the time and clicketi click click
[20:43] <umino> yeah ... but for a linux noob like me kinda confusing sometimes
[20:44] <umino> ok ... i have a screen in the console that tells me something about a license agreement ???
[20:44] <bioterror> ok
[20:44] <umino> enter doesnt work
[20:44] <bioterror> you have to accept that EULA
[20:44] <bioterror> use tab key
[20:44] <bioterror> to navigate
[20:45] <umino> oh damn ... forgot about that way to navigate ...
[20:46] <umino> :-)
[20:47] <bioterror> umino, do you have windows shares in your home lan
[20:47] <umino> lots ... this box i'm sitting on is the ONLY one running linux
[20:47] <bioterror> umino, sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[20:48] <umino> and then ? can i share files over the network with my windose machines ?
[20:48] <bioterror> well, atleast you can connect to window shares ;)
[20:48] <umino> cool
[20:49] <umino> ok .. done
[20:49] <umino> and now just start chromium and see if it works ... or is there something else to do
[20:49] <umino> ?
[20:50] <bioterror> Sat22:40 <bioterror> and restart your browser and head to the site http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[20:50] <umino> jep ... works ...
[20:50] <umino> thanx a lot
[20:50] <bioterror> np
[20:50] <bioterror> hope you enjoy your lubuntu
[20:51] <umino> well ... basically it's one more try on linux out of curiousity
[20:53] <umino> but with ubuntu i'm already more comfortable than other linux dirstos i tried over the years
[20:54] <umino> the only thing is that running ubuntu on some old 1ghz machine with less than 512mb RAM is a pain in the arse
[20:54] <bioterror> lubuntu aint the easiest choise, but lightest
[20:54] <umino> yep ...
[20:54] <bioterror> umino, running anything with under 512MB is pain in the
[20:54] <umino> youre right ...
[20:55] <bioterror> my lubuntu uses 465MB RAM atm. and I'm IRCing with ssh and using chromium with ~10 tabs
[20:55] <umino> wow
[20:55] <umino> the thing is ... i have a lot of OOOOOLLLD boxes standing around ...
[20:56] <umino> i don'T need them any more ..
[20:56] <bioterror> if those are older than P4, recycle
[20:57] <umino> yeah ... like ... a couple of P III and Athlon (pre-XP) machines
[20:57] <bioterror> first athlons came around '99 if I rememer right
[20:58] <umino> something like that ... right
[20:58] <bioterror> I rememer attending some AMD happenings
[20:58] <umino> the point is ... this week i met a girl who doesn't even have a computer at all ...
[20:59] <umino> but wants one but has not much money either .. so just buying a new one isn'T an option
[20:59] <umino> i can'T give away my core2 duo because i need that one ... but anyway i want to give her a computer ...
[20:59] <bioterror> grab some RAM from all machines, put it in one
[20:59] <bioterror> and install lubuntu
[20:59] <umino> see .. thats what i have in mind ...
[21:00] <umino> now i have an athlon @1200 mhz with 2x256mb RAM (there simply weren't more slots on the mainboard)
[21:01] <umino> and some Pentium III @ 1ghz with about the same specs
[21:01] <bioterror> 1.4GHz PIII can compete with P4 1.8GHz
[21:02] <umino> and now i wanted to test out if lubuntu can make a usable computer out of these old farts ...
[21:02] <umino> ubuntu is too "heavy"
[21:02] <umino> ok .. gotta go ... dinners ready ...
[21:03] <bioterror> laters
[21:03] <umino> thanx for the help ... see you soon
[22:35] <xiaoy> how to set key combination in lxde?
[22:36] <xiaoy> i would ike to use a key combo to minimize windows
[22:36] <xiaoy> *like
[22:47] <bioterror> xiaoy, hmmmm
[22:48] <bioterror> that's easy
[22:48] <xiaoy> bioterror, o/
[22:48] <bioterror> edit lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:48] <bioterror> there's a section
[22:49] <bioterror> <!-- Keybindings for windows -->
[22:49] <bioterror>   <keybind key="A-F3">
[22:49] <bioterror>       <action name="Iconify"/>
[22:49] <bioterror>     </keybind>
[22:49] <bioterror> or what ever you want
[22:49] <bioterror> sorry
[22:49] <bioterror> that minimizes the active one
[22:49] <bioterror> but it's close :D
[22:50] <xiaoy> bioterror, tkz so i just to edit that xml file. Coll, thanks a lot :)
[22:50] <bioterror> yeah
[22:51] <bioterror> .config/lxde/lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:51] <bioterror> if I remember right
[22:51] <bioterror> I'm not on my lubuntu machine, so I cant say it exactly
[22:51] <bioterror> but that's how you do it with Openbox
[22:52] <bioterror> technically you can launch that application which is located in lxpanel
[22:56] <bioterror> I think that can be done also with conky :P
[22:56] <bioterror>   <action name="ToggleShowDesktop"/>
[22:56] <bioterror> that's the action you're after
[22:59] <bioterror> xiaoy, any progress? :D
[23:50] <xiaoy> bioterror, how do i specify Alt + x in in key= ?
[23:50] <xiaoy> i need Alt plus 'x' charachter
[23:52] <xiaoy> bioterror, is like "A-x" ?
[23:52] <lxg> hi. i have newly installed lubuntu, and chose to have an encrypted home. but it is not auto-mounted on login
[23:53] <lxg> instead i can "overmount" the home manually
[23:53] <lxg> i know from ubuntu 9.10 that it went automatically
[23:53] <lxg> is there a way to get this behaviour with the current lubuntu?
[23:54] <lxg> and: is this specific to lubuntu, or is this the same in ubuntu, too?


 Up and have new bussines operational ?
[12:25] <lotuscomputers> Bashing-om: im still doing much paperwork
[12:25] <lotuscomputers> Bashing-om: website not fully ready and BQ sold out : (
[12:26] <Bashing-om> Well, Just more to do - but making progress, huh .
[12:26] <lotuscomputers> but the good news is ubuntu says there's a new device comming?
[12:26] <lotuscomputers> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[12:26] <lotuscomputers> Bashing-om: yes, grows bit by bit...im looking for royalty free icons right now
[12:28] <lotuscomputers> Bashing-om: i mailed BQ and they told me 20 devices left of the m10
[12:28] <Bashing-om> lotuscomputers: " sold out is a good thing ... overall .. due to popular demand !
[12:29] <lotuscomputers> Bashing-om: well BQ staff said in mail also, they dont have plans to produce new ones (for this moment)
[12:30] <lotuscomputers> so not sure what to think of the real reason yet
[12:38] <Bashing-om> Myriads of details to take care of in getting a web based operation going ! Just not so simple, I guess .
[12:39] <lotuscomputers> yea
[12:40] <lotuscomputers> and i want it to be specific aswell
[12:40] <lotuscomputers> opensource and back to basics
[12:53]  * lotuscomputers is browsing iconfever.com
[13:03]  * Bashing-om is avoiding insomnia attack .
[13:08] <lotuscomputers> :p
[15:50] <lotuscomputers> hey there ducasse
[15:51] <ducasse> hi, lotus - all well?
[15:52] <lotuscomputers> yeah great
[15:54] <ducasse> my pc spontaneously rebooted today, turned out the cat had stepped on the reset button :)
[15:54] <lotuscomputers> lol
[15:55] <lotuscomputers> cats are so smart
[15:55] <lotuscomputers> sudo reboot :p
[15:56] <nicomachus> I have to put my out of reach of the cats or they'll sleep on it because it blows warm air
[15:57] <nicomachus> and my cats have long fur... I don't need that gunking things up
[15:57] <ducasse> mine too, and the reset button is placed on top of the front...
[15:58] <nicomachus> I have mine inside of a cabinet.
[16:03] <ducasse> i'll just rip out the connector to the motherboard, problem solved :) the fur thing is another problem, though.
[16:16] <daftykins> hey guys \o
[16:16] <daftykins> finally back home :)
[16:17] <ducasse> yay - wb :)
[16:17] <daftykins> thank ye!
[16:18] <daftykins> i see irssi has some security woes since i left - but i've no idea how to get 0.8.20 onto my 14.04 machine here
[16:18] <daftykins> well, VM :P
[16:18] <ducasse> check backports?
[16:19] <daftykins> seems the xenial version follows its' own numbers too
[16:19] <daftykins> !info irssi xenial
[16:20] <daftykins> have to admit i have no idea on backports unless i'd just enable that in sources then update
[16:20] <nacc> not there in backports
[16:20] <nacc> use rmadison for these kinds of queries
[16:21] <daftykins> who or what is that?
[16:21] <nacc> daftykins: it's a tool to query the state of the archive
[16:21] <nacc> well a webservice that reflects the archive
[16:22] <nacc> e.g., `rmadison search irssi` will show you all published versions in ubuntu
[16:22] <nacc> rmadison search irssi -u debian will show you all published versions in debian
[16:22] <daftykins> which repos does it query against though, just whatever is enabled on the host system?
[16:23] <daftykins> since you mention debian that sounds kinda platform agnostic
[16:23] <nacc> daftykins: it doens't use your host system at all, it queries the archives directly
[16:23] <nacc> https://qa.debian.org/madison.php for debian, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi for ubuntu
[16:23] <nacc> in any case no backports publication of irssi
[16:23] <daftykins> righty-o, just trying to get an understanding
[16:24] <nacc> but 0.8.20 isn't even in 16.10
[16:24] <nacc> it is in debian/unstable so might need a merge or backport of the security fixes
[16:24] <daftykins> it's only a matter of time until people start trolling with the issues i guess
[16:24] <nacc> daftykins: i'd assume the security team will backport the fixes everywehre if they are CVEs
[16:29] <ducasse> daftykins: got a new das keyboard 4 pro! \o/
[16:31] <daftykins> :D
[16:34] <ducasse> ordered a new ap today, that'll be fun also :)
[16:35] <daftykins> i was definitely getting some joint issues on my left hand with the cherry reds in this keyboard but i've not thought about what to do about it yet
[16:35] <daftykins> seems like reds are fine for games, then i had no ideas with the blues in my old das
[16:35] <daftykins> er no problems, hah
[16:36] <nacc> heh
[16:37] <ducasse> the cherry blues in this das seem a lot better than whatever was in the razer.
[16:55]  * nacc is tempted to rant on what garbage it might be, if this user is right, and a game is out that requires you to update your nvidia drivers to a released as of a few days ago driver
[16:55] <nacc> what binary garbage
[17:10] <daftykins> it's nothing to do with being a binary, it's simply how drivers behave these days
[17:10] <daftykins> i just had it installing Forza Horizon 3 on my PC here, it wanted the latest since it's tweaked for the game - so-called nvidia 'game ready' drivers
[17:27] <nacc> daftykins: seems nuts to me still :)
[17:27] <nacc> daftykins: i guess it's all in lockstep
[17:27] <nacc> but i still hate it :)
[17:27] <daftykins> lockstep?
[17:27] <nacc> the drivers have to update with the newest games
[17:27] <nacc> just a strange world
[17:27] <daftykins> i must say i fail to see why it would apply to Linux given most of these bleeding edge titles are unlikely to even run there
[17:28] <nacc> daftykins: yeah i was surprised, but i guess maybe some games have support
[17:28] <nacc> dunno
[17:29] <daftykins> doubt it, Forza here is gonna be a huge DX12 one
[17:30] <daftykins> i've yet to see how modern nvidia card + driver performance fairs versus Windows, it always struck me as a dumb move for a Linux gamer to upgrade and accept a huge performance cut solely for their OS choices
[17:31] <nacc> daftykins: this person was referring to some specific game, i've already forgotten which one


[15:04] <minimal> Trying NoCloud seed URLs for the first time - fetching metadata and user-data from URL worked but not sure that handling of /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net/network-config worked as expected
[15:06] <minimal> logfile shows debug entry: "Seed from http://<relevant url> not supported by DataSourceNoCloud [seed=None][dsmode=net]
[15:17] <smoser> you cannot seed network form nocloud-net
[15:17] <smoser> try /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud
[15:18] <smoser> minimal: https://asciinema.org/a/145772
[15:42] <minimal> ok, changed to use the nocloud dir rather than nocloud-net and same debug message appears
[15:44] <minimal> your "video" is about seeding from ISO/FAT cidata, which I've been successfully using for more than a year. Now I'm testing http/https seed urls and its the network config part (not the metadata/user-data fetch) that appears to be the issue
[15:47] <minimal> basically in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/network-config I'm specifying both IPv4 and IPv6 DHCP but in the /e/n/i created it only specifies IPv4 DHCP
[16:15] <smoser> oh. yeah, you can't seed network data over a sedurl
[16:16] <smoser> that makes reasonable sense.
[16:17] <smoser> you definitely could do the whole ephemeral dhcp idea as is done on other platforms (digital ocean, ec2)
[16:17] <smoser> but that isn't present to my knowledge on nocloud
[16:18] <smoser> noclodu is a much more generic "platform".
[16:19] <smoser> i think what you're after is reasonable but needs implementation.
[16:32] <minimal> smoser: not trying to do network config over http - try to do it via file on filesystem
[19:24] <smoser> minimal: that should work . i think. I think i actually tested taht recently.
[19:25] <smoser> i'm not sure about eni writing... i suspect you're just getting the deault "dhcp on eth0" behavior, ratehr than explicitly writing dhcp for ipv4
[19:26] <minimal> smoser: yeah, looks like its coming from generate_fallback_config which only handles IPv4 DHCP, no IPv6 (for example)
[19:27] <minimal> so currently no way to seed metadata & user-data via URLs on a IPv6-only network for instance
[19:28] <smoser> it seems like that shoudl work.
[19:35] <minimal> it loads the file ok, it just doesn't seem to use it
[19:36] <minimal> and so then the fallback network confing kicks in and generates e/n/i with just v4 DHCP
[19:37] <smoser> minimal: https://gist.github.com/smoser/54aef9c50abf53b2dc686d51c2a45216
[19:37] <smoser> that is just something i dumped... found a conversation from awhile ago. it isn't 100% relevant, but might helpp you along the way.
[19:40] <minimal> I haven't yet tried passing seed info via cmdline
[19:40] <smoser> how were you doing it ?
[19:41] <minimal> just setting seedurl in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and creating a /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/network-config file
[19:43] <smoser> i'd have to look at code, i dont really remember.
[19:43] <minimal> looking at DataSourceNoCloud.py I notice: "# Check to see if the seed dir has data." and immediately after that it defines "user-data" and "meta-data" as required but "network-config" as optional, which implies if the 2 required values are not specified then it will ignore the "network-config" setting
[19:43] <smoser> but maybe the lxd approach there can still help you. much faster than other ways of iterating.
[19:43] <minimal> I'll try that next to see if it changes behaviour
[19:50] <blackboxsw> falcojr: for the single JSON schema PR I have up. I'm thinking we probably don't need the Paths.schema_dir if we aren't going to support composite schema parts as separate files
[19:50] <falcojr> I agree
[19:52] <blackboxsw> ok falcojr thoughts on Paths.schema_path vs static in cloudinit/settings.py or not worth the additional attribute and upgrade from pickle support?
[19:53] <falcojr> I'm ok with a static path, but I think either way is fine
[19:54] <minimal> smoser: should the cmdline specify nocloud or nocloud-net?
[20:25] <minimal> smoser: passing via cmdline doesn't work here as (initramfs) init appears to strip entry once it sees the semicolon
[21:05] <apathor> hi. new cloud-init user here. i want to get the contents of 'v1.region' into a file on first boot. what's the right approach?
[21:06] <apathor> so far i've tried 'write_files' and 'runcmd' but both have resulted in the literal '{{ v1.region }}' in the file instead of the resolved value
[21:07] <blackboxsw> apathor, welcome. double checking now. What's your cloud-config user-data?
[21:08] <blackboxsw> It should start with ## template: jinja
[21:09] <blackboxsw> ## template: jinja
[21:09] <blackboxsw> #cloud-config
[21:09] <blackboxsw> write_files:
[21:09] <blackboxsw>  - path: /home/yep
[21:09] <blackboxsw>    content: '{{v1.region}}'
[21:10] <apathor> https://gist.github.com/apathor/31e3c777649327b167dbda60051820e5
[21:10] <blackboxsw> the above works for me on lxc:     lxc launch ubuntu-daily:focal myname -c user.user-data="$(cat test.yaml)"
[21:10] <blackboxsw> apathor you are missing #cloud-config as the 2nd line
[21:10] <apathor> ah! thanks!
[21:10] <blackboxsw> no worries thanks for the question
[21:11] <blackboxsw> I would like us to extend cloud-init devel schema --annotate --system to handle ## template: jinja headers and report errors. Right now it only handles user-data that starts with #cloud-config. But, future us will better tell you the line failing in user-data schema.
[21:12] <blackboxsw> couple weeks and we'll be there :/
[21:12] <apathor> TBH i saw '#cloud-config' in example documents and didn't realize it was a meaningful header
[21:13] <blackboxsw> for sure, some docs/example don't contain it. You'd see logs in /var/log/cloud-init.log saying that the userdata part-001 was ignored or skipped I think (saying cloud-init didn't think it could do anything with a non-#cloud-config part)
[21:14] <blackboxsw> we try to capture docs here if helpful. https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/instancedata.html If you see some that don't have the header or seem confusing don't hesitate to point out bogus docs to us (or even better provide a PR at github.canonical.com/cloud-init).
[21:17] <apathor> thank you
[21:51] <Vaelatern> Hey quick question. Trying to boot an ubuntu 20.04.03 (irrelevant I hope) image, and append to the authorized_keys on the command line. I have a workaround to do it by templating the user-data file, but wanted to see if I could append (not replace) a public key by typing on the kernel commandline
[21:51] <Vaelatern> I'll be idling, thanks :)
[23:29] <apathor> follow up question - can jinja templates be used in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/ files or just user-data?


[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120761 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "does not support rs480" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120761
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #43032 in totem (main) "X Windows System error trying to launch totem-xine (dup-of: 35229)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43032
[11:34] <ubotu> New bug: #43252 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Driver Bug for nVidia 6800 series Cards" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43252
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120803 in xorg (main) "Adding ctrl:swapcaps to xorg.conf has no effect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120803
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120834 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "intel gm965 freezes with 3d applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120834
[03:08] <ubotu> New bug: #120837 in xorg (main) "When I log out from Ubuntu Feisty I get black screeen" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120837
[04:11] <tepsipakki> bryyce: 1.9.94 is in feisty
[04:11] <tepsipakki> so 2.0.0 is doable
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120885 in xorg (main) "ATI Radeon 9250 without graphic acceleration on Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120885
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120898 in xorg (main) "Adding a generic monitor does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120898


[14:25] <benluo> hi
[14:26] <benluo> i read a lot of documents about audio production in ubuntu
[14:26] <benluo> but i did not make it clear
[14:27] <benluo> i have a native instruments AK1 now
[14:27] <benluo> what's the first step i can do in gnome?
[14:27] <benluo> currently i disable internal sound card
[14:27] <benluo> is it right?
[16:15] <holstein> benluo: hey
[16:15] <holstein> i would say the first step for pro audio in linux in general is learning to start and use JACK
[16:16] <holstein> http://jackaudio.org/
[16:16] <holstein> if you dont get anyone here, the guys over in #opensourcemusicians will help you get JACK started
[22:18] <frigOvuotO_> qualcuno di voi è capace di configurare il pedale d'espressione per zoom g1??
[23:17] <holstein> frigOvuotO: hey
[23:17] <holstein> try #musix
[23:18] <holstein> is that spanish?
[23:18] <frigOvuotO> holstein:
[23:18] <ailo> Italian, right?
[23:18] <ailo> Something about configuring a zoom pedal?
[23:19] <holstein> yeah, i thought it was spanish, and its not


[04:43] <jpickett> Hi,
[04:43] <jpickett> is it possible for someone to change my freenode cloak here?
[04:44] <IdleOne> jpickett: change it to?
[04:44] <jpickett> ubuntu/member/jpickett
[04:45] <rww> this is the place to ask, indeed. just need to wait for a group contact to wake up :)
[04:45] <jpickett> no worries, thanks
[05:34] <Tm_T> hi jpickett
[05:35] <rww> yay, a GC
[05:35] <Tm_T> jpickett: what is your launchpad account?
[05:36] <jpickett> Tm_T: https://launchpad.net/~jpickett
[05:37] <Tm_T> jpickett: thanks, looks good to me all in all (:
[05:37] <Tm_T> freenode staff, may we have jpickett's cloak changed to ubuntu/member/jpickett please?
[05:40] <rww> HI LDUNN
[05:42] <Tm_T> hmmm, no active staff that I can see
[05:42] <rww> LDUNN IS ACTIVE
[05:43] <Tm_T> not for me /:
[05:43] <ldunn> hihi
[05:43]  * Tm_T hides
[05:43] <ldunn> oh well
[05:43]  * ldunn wanders off ;P
[05:44] <jose> :P
[05:44] <Tm_T> ldunn: hi, you have possibility to help us with the request before you go?
[05:44] <jose> hey, jpickett! long time no see!
[05:44] <ldunn> Tm_T: of course, looking now
[05:44] <Tm_T> ldunn: wonderful thanks (:
[05:47] <ldunn> all set
[05:54] <jpickett> thanks for that
[05:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:47] <Unit193> !hashes
[20:47] <Unit193> !md5sums
[23:37] <rww> !-hashes
[23:37] <rww> !-md5sums
[23:38] <rww> bad Pici
[23:38] <Pici> :(
[23:38] <k1l> stats hunting, eh?
[23:39]  * rww checks bug list to see if someone asked for that page to be updated for 14.04 yet
[23:39] <k1l> a user in german channel did
[23:40] <k1l> (if you are talking about the hashes site)
[23:40] <rww> ah, there we go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1309257


[13:50] <jamespage> markus_z, switching to cpu-mode = 'none' fixed things sufficiently to get a cloud up and running
[13:50] <jamespage> albeit in all on lpar using containers, but a useful validation point all the same
[13:51] <markus_z> jamespage: cool! Good to hear that. Thanks for the info.
[13:51] <markus_z> jamespage: Did I already mention that VNC is not working and you need the "serial console" if you want to access it in Horizon?
[13:51] <markus_z> "it" == an instance
[13:51] <jamespage> markus_z, ah - no I did not know that
[13:51] <jamespage> tbh I generally avoid horizon
[13:52] <jamespage> but thanks for the feedback anyway
[13:52] <markus_z> jamespage: good choice :)
[13:52] <jamespage> serial console is not configured by the charms atm - I'll add that to the features list for next cycle...
[13:53] <markus_z> jamespage: The serial console still has limitations though. Live-migration is not possible with it. I'm working on a bug fix for that.
[13:54] <markus_z> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1455252
[14:54] <xnox> markus_z, hm, surely we can connect to the virtio console and have migrations working et.al.? (same as on other arches)
[14:54]  * xnox looks into the bug report
[15:01] <markus_z> xnox: It's not related to the arch. It behaves the same on x86. The way nova handles the ports during the live-migration is the root cause.
[15:01] <xnox> ah, ok =)
[15:02] <xnox> markus_z, i meant VNC -> i thought that should work without serial console, and simply with the /dev/hvc0 console no?
[15:02] <xnox> hvc0-7 consoles
[15:04] <markus_z> xnox: That' news to me. Isn't hvc0 xen related?
[15:11] <xnox> markus_z, it might be qemu 2.5 new stuff. And yes hvc0 is usually xen stuff. I'll boot another instance on my machines in a moment to inspect available things.
[15:11]  * xnox ponders if there is Xen on s390x
[15:11] <smb> xnox, no
[15:12] <xnox> either something is recycling the names, or possibly ubuntu config has xen stuff enabled =/
[15:12] <xnox> (kernel config)
[15:12] <smb> I think hvc is Xen but not only, there was something else using that name (thoug I thought ppc)
[15:18] <markus_z> I have to leave for today, we can talk tomorrow about this if you like.
[15:36] <xnox> cpaelzer, infinity, smb - could you take a look at the last patch I've posted on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1563854 ?
[15:36] <xnox> it seems reasonable to me, but I'm not sure if it will re-introduce the stalls you have worked on removing in previous uploads.
[15:36] <xnox> i'm gonna run in that config for a bit, and see if it's reasonable.
[15:38] <smb> xnox, I can try this as a manual fix, too. It looks reasonable and I guess the stalls were mainly because the cache was updated on every login. Now it would be only when running update or upgrade
[15:39] <smb> which I think is already protected somehow against concurrent runs
[15:40] <cpaelzer> xnox: looking
[15:43] <cpaelzer> xnox: yeah that update was lost, and currently has the delay til next update
[15:44] <xnox> cpaelzer, so currently story: apt update, ssh localhost "you have X updates", apt full-upgrade, ssh localhost "you have X updates", apt update, "<no updates message>"
[15:44] <cpaelzer> xnox: I agree on "recounting" after DPkg ran to be a proper solution
[15:44] <xnox> cool.
[15:44] <cpaelzer> I haven't tested
[15:44] <xnox> with this thing after dist-upgrade (even if partial) the right new count is displayed.
[15:44] <cpaelzer> do you want us to test it too, any ppa or anything?
[15:44] <xnox> i'll test it more with partial / aborted upgrades later on, before uploading.
[15:44] <cpaelzer> or just test itonce upload is through?
[15:45] <xnox> cpaelzer, it's a conf file, just edit it in /etc/apt.conf.d =)
[15:45] <cpaelzer> xnox: so true
[15:45] <xnox> to match the new stanza.
[15:45] <cpaelzer> xnox: let me get my numa "§$%& out of the way and I'll test it later one
[15:45] <xnox> =)
[16:18]  * xnox wishes dasdfmt was faster
[19:17] <cpaelzer> xnox: your fixe worked for me in general and in the few tests I've made
[19:18] <cpaelzer> xnox: it achieves what you wanted and it didn't break anything for me that I would have noticed
[19:19] <xnox> cpaelzer, cool. I was after that!
[19:20] <cpaelzer> and the extra latency is only added to another apt/dpkg action which is where it should belong to
[19:20] <cpaelzer> as you remember it was "on login" in the past which was horrible waiting these seconds over and over again :-)
[19:22] <xnox> yeap


 I'm not sure if it's a bug and, if it is a bug, what I'd file it against. See this image: https://i.imgur.com/jQJ38Bw.png
[21:50] <guiverc> kgiii, https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ would suggest lubuntu-artwork
[21:50] <guiverc> at least to em
[21:51] <guiverc> s/em/me
[21:56] <kgiii> guiverc: It seemed to be a product of a new (?) default icon theme. I'm not sure if it's a bug? Is it intentional? Is it just a bad icon theme? I think it just showed up today, as I didn't notice it the past few days - but the past few days were very hectic for me. Anyhow, if I change the icon theme to some of the others it goes away. (If you can't tell, I'm not at the computer where I do testing.)
[21:56] <kc2bez[m]> It might need to go against the `papirus-icon-theme` if other icons look normal.
[21:56] <kgiii> Lemme see if I can get VNC configured from here. One minute.
[22:00] <kgiii> Alright, it's the papirus-icon-theme and the default is ePapirus which is, for some reason, the default for ElementaryOS but is what it's defaulting to when the daily is booted.
[22:01] <kgiii> Is the bug the icon theme - or is it that that theme is now the default?
[22:01] <kc2bez[m]> We've had the same theme for a while now.
[22:02] <kgiii> I know. Now this is the default when I start the daily. That's what shows up when booted straight from the image.
[22:02] <kgiii> Well, default icon theme.
[22:03] <kc2bez[m]> ePapirus is part of the `papirus-icon-theme`
[22:04] <kgiii> Yes. And why is it the default icon theme when I boot to the daily image? Is it supposed to be?
[22:04] <kc2bez[m]> yes
[22:17] <kgiii> And filed.
[22:17] <kgiii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papirus-icon-theme/+bug/1920691
[22:19] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks. I added Lubuntu Packages so that we can get notifications.
[22:22] <kgiii> I'm not sure if this helps, but I worked on changing the icon theme in 20.04 and quite a few of the icon packs only changed some of the icons even though they were 'full' icon packs. In previous releases, they'd have changed the vast majority of icons. I don't know what the difference is, but some of them still worked (from gnome-looks) like Infinity-Dark-Icons which is what I'm currently using.
[22:23] <kgiii> Which is to say, I've seen similar behavior in 20.04 and just figured something internal changed and that the icon packs didn't all work anymore.
[22:24] <kc2bez[m]> Nothing has changed though. At least not from Lubuntu.
[22:26] <kgiii> That's above my pay grade. I just report bugs. Dunno how to fix 'em. But, the same exact icons used in 18.04 didn't not take full effect when I moved to 20.04. It looked just like this, they were partially applied. Beyond that, I know nothing.


[10:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfdashboard 0.9.91 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00685.html


[12:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:24] <teward> Greetings Kubuntu dev team.  Do you have the code available publicly for the 20.10 implementation of LUKS and the underlying commands/code called by the installer?
[16:25] <teward> asking because of an Ask Ubuntu question RE: LUKS encryption on 20.10 - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1298799/full-disk-encryption-what-cipher-do-i-have-and-does-it-have-the-nsa-backdoor


[00:39] <ShawnR> ok, i hope someone can help me
[00:40] <ShawnR> my terminal window i'm in now is the only thing responding in gnome
[00:41] <ShawnR> i can switch to tty1 or whatever the ctrl+alt+F1 stuff is and work fine, but I can't switch to any other window, and my mouse won't change from the text input I bar
[00:41] <ShawnR> I checked top and nothing is even taking more than 1%
[01:16] <dorgan> hello all
[01:41] <itnet7> ShawnR: were you right in the middle of workong on something? If not, and you can get to ctrl+alt+f1 you can type: sudo service gdm restart (assuming you're running gnome).
[03:14] <ShawnR> itnet7: i was in the middle of something in inkscape
[03:14] <ShawnR> does restarting gdm kill all windows i guess?  I killed the gnome-session, which prolly did the same thinge
[03:14] <itnet7> ShawnR: man... sorry to hear that
[03:14] <itnet7> yes
[03:18] <ShawnR> s'ok, luckily wasn't too much
[03:19] <ShawnR> i later went in and turned on auto-save... lol
[03:19] <ShawnR> i did pretty good, my first time using inkscape other than to do fancy text in a video editor
[03:19] <ShawnR> made a logo for my wife's "company" (selling crocheted and other crafty type items)
[03:37] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping
[03:45] <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: I'm about to hit the rack need something?
[03:48] <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: Talk with you in the Morning.
[04:03] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 just wanted to say hi have a good one dude
[13:55] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[13:58] <maxolasersquad> reya276: Good morning!
[14:19] <jgdovin> hola all
[14:20] <jgdovin> ive got a little issue im trying to figure out
[14:20] <tiemonster> what's that?
[14:20] <jgdovin> I set up an internal ubuntu server so i can set up a testing environment at work, and also run an internal time clock to get them off of paper punch cards
[14:21] <jgdovin> i had it set up behind our untangle server and was having some issues so i moved it to connect directly to our router and it cannot get outside access
[14:21] <tiemonster> DNS is set up properly?
[14:21] <jgdovin> I have tried doing a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces as well as dhcp
[14:22] <jgdovin> when i try to ping google.com it says unkown host right away, so i guess my dns is fudged up
[14:26] <jgdovin> how are you doin btw tiemonster? I havent been in here in a while
[14:26] <DammitJim> can one do HTTPS over a port other than 443?
[14:26] <DammitJim> that should be no problem even with certificates, right?
[14:28] <tiemonster> jgdovin: yes, DNS is jacked up. that's your problem. I'm ok.
[14:28] <tiemonster> u?
[14:28] <tiemonster> DammitJim: with proper configuration, yes
[14:28] <tiemonster> it's common for high-security applications
[14:28] <DammitJim> configuration where?
[14:28] <tiemonster> apache
[14:28] <DammitJim> ok, on the webserver... got it
[14:29] <DammitJim> I thought we were running out of public IP addresses in the world... I guess not
[14:29] <tiemonster> so the url would look like https://example.com:9000/ for example
[14:29] <tiemonster> and you would change the SSL.conf to read Listen 9000 instead of Listen 443
[14:29] <DammitJim> these developers make up services with different internal IP addressess as if there was no tomorrow
[14:29] <jgdovin> tiemonster: any suggestions on where to start looking? Its a simple set up really.. its just a cable modem coming in to a linksys wrt54g router, then that goes to our switch.. but the server is plugged into the wrt54g
[14:29] <DammitJim> ok, that I have done... just wasn't sure about the certificate part
[14:29] <tiemonster> jgdovin: pastebin your ifconfig output
[14:30] <jgdovin> DammitJim: the certificate should just be serving that its secure no matter what port
[14:30] <tiemonster> DammitJim: port isn't on the certificate
[14:30] <DammitJim> got it
[14:30] <jgdovin> apache tells you wether its a secure port or not
[14:30] <tiemonster> !seen MichelleQ
[14:30] <ubuntu-fl> tiemonster: MichelleQ was last seen in #ubuntu-us-fl 2 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <MichelleQ> Do we have a meeting tonight?
[14:30] <tiemonster> !seen MichelleQ1
[14:30] <ubuntu-fl> tiemonster: MichelleQ1 was last seen in #ubuntu-us-fl 5 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <MichelleQ1> Morning, y'all.
[14:30] <tiemonster> well hmph
[14:31] <jgdovin> wow she hasnt been around in a while
[14:31] <jgdovin> tiemonster: http://pastebin.com/W07m3578
[14:33] <jgdovin> and heres my interfaces file
[14:33] <jgdovin> http://pastebin.com/BVmppqaT
[14:33] <tiemonster> jgdovin: see if you can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:33] <jgdovin> yes i can
[14:35] <tiemonster> oh I always have trouble with static IP
[14:36] <jgdovin> lol
[14:36] <tiemonster> that's definitely the problem, though
[14:36] <jgdovin> well i changed it to dhcp and restarted the networking service
[14:36] <jgdovin> and it keeps the same ip address
[14:36] <tiemonster> and?
[14:36] <jgdovin> and same problems
[14:36] <jgdovin> lol
[14:36] <tiemonster> does it work?
[14:36] <jgdovin> is there something else i have to do to flush it?
[14:37] <tiemonster> unknown host when pinging google.com?
[14:37] <jgdovin> hmm wait one..
[14:37] <jgdovin> maybe that time it actually grabbed a new ip
[14:37] <jgdovin> gotta go check server room
[14:38] <jgdovin> argh...
[14:38] <jgdovin> so i restarted the networking service
[14:38] <jgdovin> and i couldnt connect
[14:39] <jgdovin> went and checked ifconfig and eth0 was down
[14:39] <tiemonster> nice
[14:39] <jgdovin> so i did ifconfig eth0 up
[14:39] <jgdovin> and it has same ip :/
[14:39] <jgdovin> http://pastebin.com/yAsK0qWM
[14:39] <jgdovin> thats correct right?
[14:40] <tiemonster> yeah
[14:40] <tiemonster> how are you restarting networking?
[14:41] <jgdovin> i was using /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:41] <jgdovin> so I went to the termninal
[14:41] <jgdovin> it said to use service
[14:41] <jgdovin> so I tried that
[14:42] <jgdovin> when i try service network start it says networking start/waiting
[14:42] <jgdovin> if i try to stop it says unknown instance
[14:42] <jgdovin> same with restart and force-reload
[14:43] <jgdovin> i think im just gonna reinstall the darn thing. lol
[14:43] <tiemonster> try restarting
[14:43] <tiemonster> not reinstalling
[14:43] <jgdovin> ok
[14:43] <jgdovin> one sec
[14:45] <jgdovin> shut it all the way down
[14:45] <jgdovin> started back up
[14:45] <jgdovin> same.. service network start gives me... stop/waiting
[14:46] <jgdovin> restart, start, force-reload say uknown instance
[14:46] <jgdovin> i mean service networking
[14:46] <jgdovin> and eth0 is down
[14:46] <tiemonster> and the only configuration file you changed was interfaces?
[14:46] <jgdovin> yea
[14:46] <tiemonster> check it again
[14:46] <jgdovin> only one i really knew about
[14:47] <tiemonster> !seen mhall119
[14:47] <ubuntu-fl> tiemonster: mhall119 was last seen in #ubuntu-us-fl 1 day, 13 hours, 24 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <mhall119> crashsystems1: it's only the inotify setup lines that's still there
[14:47] <MichelleQ1> he's on his way to work
[14:47] <tiemonster> k
[14:47] <tiemonster> trying to decide if $60 for a hotel is worth it for the party, or if I should drain myself driving back at midnight
[14:48] <jgdovin> tiemonster: interfaces looks the same
[14:48] <MichelleQ1> tiemonster: go with the room
[14:48] <tiemonster> jgdovin: don't know then. sorry.
[14:48] <jgdovin> i dont think it matters that i was editing it with nano
[14:48] <jgdovin> heard some people had problems editing with nano
[14:49] <jgdovin> lol its ok tiemonster. Im gonna try a fresh install, see how that goes
[14:49] <jgdovin> that or go back to 10.04 never had a problem with that
[14:49] <tiemonster> I always have these problems when setting up static IP
[14:49] <tiemonster> I always seem to figure it out
[14:49] <jgdovin> yea but going back to dhcp should reverse it all. lmao
[14:50] <jgdovin> i'll keep debugging on the clock :-D
[14:50] <jgdovin> trying to save the ops manager some time, he has to add up everyones times every week. so stupid
[14:51] <tiemonster> MichelleQ1: wait, the party is only an hour long?
[14:52] <tiemonster> is this loco or personal?
[14:52] <tiemonster> guess I should PM that...
[14:52] <jgdovin> since when do ubuntu parties ever last just an hour
[14:52] <jgdovin> :-p
[14:52] <tiemonster> that's why I'm asking...
[14:53] <jgdovin> :-D
[14:56] <mhall119> tiemonster: did you get an answer from her?
[14:57] <tiemonster> no
[14:57] <tiemonster> mhall119: no
[15:00] <jgdovin> hi mhall119!!!
[15:01] <amouge_work> tiemonster: i have no patience today.. started a reinstall :-)
[15:01] <tiemonster> k
[15:01] <amouge_work> its monday, im at work, and dont feel like playing around. So anyway, hows the fl ubuntu loco doing?
[15:03] <mhall119> doing well
[15:03] <amouge_work> glad to hear :)
[15:03] <mhall119> mostly recovered from UDS
[15:04] <mhall119> though my ToDo list is still large
[15:04] <amouge_work> my todo list spans in to the 22nd century
[15:04] <MichelleQ1> tiemonster: you talking about the 18th?
[15:05] <amouge_work> just started a new job, they manage thousands of different items, 6 databases for online stores sharing same inventory, and They want an inventory system built by christmas..
[15:09] <mhall119> amouge[work]: nothing pays like rush work
[15:09] <amouge[work]> mhall119: too bad its hourly
[15:10] <amouge[work]> and not as much as i'd even like lol
[15:10] <amouge[work]> but its steady money
[15:10] <amouge[work]> tampa's rough right now finding a 40 hour a week tech job
[15:10] <mhall119> well, that's better than nothing right?
[15:10] <amouge[work]> exactly :)
[15:10] <mhall119> amouge[work]: know any python?
[15:10] <amouge[work]> mhall119: very very little
[15:10] <mhall119> php or java?
[15:11] <amouge[work]> I started learning it along side of django
[15:11] <amouge[work]> mhall119: php is my primary
[15:11] <amouge[work]> and im learning ruby and eventually will go back to python
[15:11] <amouge[work]> right now my focus is getting mongo DB under my belt
[15:11] <mhall119> hmmm, I got some php positions sent to me, but they're in Orlando
[15:12] <amouge[work]> orlando is a bit far for me. plus its rough because i freelanced for like 4 years
[15:12] <amouge[work]> and most companies want people with experience in a company, thats why i took this.
[15:12] <amouge[work]> stay here for a year or 2 and then i have an actual full time coding position in my resume
[15:12] <amouge[work]> for a decent size company
[15:13] <mhall119> msg call Scott Goldstein at<PHONE_NUMBER>
[15:13] <mhall119> amouge[work]: ^^
[15:14] <mhall119> he's a recruiter in Tampa, got my a couple of good jobs in the past
[15:14] <mhall119> he might have some php openings
[15:16] <amouge[work]> hmm ok
[15:16] <amouge[work]> I'll look into him. im sceptic of recruiters
[15:16] <amouge[work]> last one screwed me over, i was offered two jobs since i got here 3 weeks ago. lol.
[15:17] <mhall119> so far Princeton has been the best recruiters I've worked with
[15:17] <amouge[work]> one by the guy that came in to familiarize me with the system since he built it 3 years ago, and another for fedex integration.
[15:17] <amouge[work]> fedex i dont wanna even think about.. i'd hate writing a hacked up vb every day
[15:17] <mhall119> they offer good pay and good benefits
[15:17] <mhall119> you can usually choose between hourly and salary
[15:17] <tiemonster> MichelleQ: all sorted
[15:18] <amouge[work]> cool, I'll look into them. Last recruiter I used gave me 20 an hour and charged the client 45 an hour, they used me for one project and said they couldnt afford it, they then went on to use me as a freelance under the table for a while
[15:18] <amouge[work]> recruiter told me i needed to lower my rate if i wanted to continue working there
[15:19] <mhall119> most will take around 40% of what the client is paying
[15:19] <tiemonster> amouge[work]: eek
[15:19] <mhall119> that's pretty standard
[15:19] <tiemonster> this is why I'm a salaryman
[15:19] <mhall119> some take upwards of 60%
[15:20] <amouge[work]> yea.. 60% is rediculous though. espeically if she had lowered hers to like 15 an hour for her pay, she woulda kept making money
[15:20] <mhall119> but Princeton gets good paying positions, around $30-$40/hr
[15:20] <amouge[work]> and she wasnt even offering benefits
[15:20] <amouge[work]> she got 25/hour that i worked just to do my timesheet every week
[15:20] <mhall119> they also pay taxes
[15:20] <amouge[work]> is princeton where that scott guy is?
[15:20] <mhall119> amouge[work]: yeah
[15:21] <amouge[work]> cool
[15:21] <mhall119> at least he was still there last time I heard from him
[15:22] <amouge[work]> I keep getting emails from some place called... veredus corp, they recruit in the area too
[15:22] <amouge[work]> i get calls occasionally telling me they have a position for me
[15:22] <mhall119> yeah, veredus is big
[15:22] <mhall119> I've not worked for them though
[15:23] <amouge[work]> i'll check out princeton since you suggested them, Im less weary if someone recommends them
[15:23] <amouge[work]> just dont wanna get screwed
[15:24] <amouge[work]> it is amazing though to see that ive been trying to get a full time job for the last year, now that i have it ive had 2 more offers in 3 weeks
[15:24] <mhall119> they got me 2 jobs, the second one went permanent
[15:25] <amouge[work]> awesome
[15:25] <amouge[work]> its nice, i was starting to get writers block of sorts as a freelancer. working from home always being there wears you down.
[15:25] <amouge[work]> My creativity has come back and im starting to enjoy it like I did when I first started
[15:43] <DammitJim> why can't I reach public IP addresses that I own from inside my network? Is that normal?
[15:54] <amouge[work]> reinstalling fixed the problem :D
[15:54] <amouge[work]> now to try static
[15:57] <amouge[work]> yay! I can ping google.com with static ip setup. woohoo
[16:07] <zoopster> DammitJim: it's normal if your trying to go out and come back on a non-routable address
[16:09] <zoopster> DammitJim: but with a proper firewall config, it *should* not be a problem unless it's viewed as a security issue
[16:17] <crashsystems1> Someone mention me recently? This tab was highlighted, but my logs don't go back for
[16:17] <crashsystems1> Far*
[16:24] <mhall119> crashsystems1: it was me
[16:24] <crashsystems1> Hello
[16:25] <mhall119> was just replying about the inotify code
[16:25] <crashsystems1> Ok
[16:26]  * crashsystems1 wishes he had time to get a breakfast burrito
[16:26] <amouge[work]> crashsystems1: there is always time for breakfast burritos!
[16:27] <crashsystems1> Work might disagree
[16:28] <amouge[work]> hehe. oh, i have people to go get stuff like that for me ;D
[16:28] <crashsystems1> Oh well, I'll have coffee and cereal at the office
[16:28] <amouge[work]> wtf? my right parentheses isnt working on this computer
[16:28] <crashsystems1> Nice
[16:28] <amouge[work]> and I know its not the keyboard cause i have synergy set up... and it works fine on the other computer same keyboard. weird as crap!
[16:30] <crashsystems1> Hash browns sound good too this morning
[16:30] <amouge[work]> mmm
[16:30] <amouge[work]> I actually was so hungry i ate my subway that was meant for lunch
[16:31] <crashsystems1> Lol
[16:31] <amouge[work]> tuna in the morning is probably not a good idea
[16:32] <crashsystems1> Very true
[16:34] <mhall119> zoopster: got lunch plans?
[16:37] <DammitJim> thanks zoopster
[16:37] <DammitJim> what do you mean by a non routable address?
[16:37] <DammitJim> it's an address I can get to from the outside
[16:41] <zoopster> mhall119: yea unfortunately today is trashed
[16:41] <mhall119> ok, another day then
[16:43] <zoopster> DammitJim: non routable address is one that routers drop...10. for 24 bit block 172.16 for the 20 bit block, and 192.168 for the 16 bit block
[16:44] <zoopster> DammitJim: I think the ipv6 arch has a similar concept, but I don't know what it is
[18:07] <amouge[work]> wow freaking weird.. all of the sudden i cant get to our hosting company or any of our websites, but according to downforeveryoneorjustme.com all the sites are up
[18:10] <jimmah> dantalizing: here I am from webos...wheeee
[18:21] <amouge[work]> lol
[18:46] <ImitatingReality> Hello folks.
[18:47] <ImitatingReality> Hmm. Dead in here.
[18:48] <amouge[work]> shhh.. we are napping
[18:52] <zoopster> ImitatingReality: it's not really
[18:53] <zoopster> wow...it's already 2p I just started working it seems and I started at 0530
[18:58] <ImitatingReality> *yawn*
[18:58] <ImitatingReality> I got up late
[18:58] <ImitatingReality> but i went to bed late.
[19:03] <ImitatingReality> having fun working zoopster
[19:03] <ImitatingReality> ?
[19:03] <amouge[work]> lol my day is flying by too
[19:04] <amouge[work]> now if i can smack samba in to being a bit quicker
[19:07] <zoopster> yes ImitatingReality having fun
[19:07] <zoopster> there is only one way to work you know...if you don't like it, don't do it!
[19:07] <ImitatingReality> yup
[19:07] <amouge[work]> zoopster: True :)
[19:07] <ImitatingReality> mmm... ice cream...
[19:08] <zoopster> anyone pick up the cyanogenmod 6.1 update?
[19:08] <amouge[work]> argh.. wtf?
[19:08] <zoopster> dantalizing: ??
[19:09]  * ImitatingReality smacks computer
[19:10] <ImitatingReality> I can't even download the upgrades.
[19:10] <zoopster> ImitatingReality: for cyanogenmod?
[19:10] <ImitatingReality> no
[19:10] <zoopster> or just ubuntu
[19:10] <ImitatingReality> for ubuntu
[19:10] <zoopster> well that stinks
[19:10] <zoopster> mirror issue?
[19:10] <ImitatingReality> im stuck in 9.4 kubuntu
[19:10] <ImitatingReality> yes
[19:11] <ImitatingReality> I tried to download the security updates and whatnot but the package thing crashed
[19:11] <amouge[work]> anyone good with samba?
[19:12] <amouge[work]> nvm got it :)
[19:12] <ImitatingReality> I tried to download the security updates and whatnot but the package thing crashed
[19:12] <ImitatingReality> agh
[19:12] <ImitatingReality> arrow keys... -_-
[19:12] <ImitatingReality> it doesnt help i havent been using computers in a while so its like all my computer knowledge leaked out of my head
[19:15] <ImitatingReality> ah well. i give up.
[19:25] <zoopster> ImitatingReality: go to a terminal prompt and type sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and that will do it all for you.
[19:58] <amouge[work]> anyone really familiar with pear problems?
[19:58] <amouge[work]> I cant get apache to recognize pear is installed.. but cli sees it fine...
[19:58] <amouge[work]> ran a test script in browser and in cli using php test2.php
[19:59] <amouge[work]> cli returns pass, browser returns fail when i try to require('PEAR.php');
[20:19] <reya276> hey I have a nook(older B&W) and I want to get books from Google Book Store but it says I need this 'eReader library management software' is this available for Ubuntu
[20:19] <reya276> take a look here http://books.google.com/help/ebooks/ereader.html
[20:26] <mhall119> reya276: calibre might do what you need
[20:26] <mhall119> http://calibre-ebook.com/
[20:27] <reya276> oh I have that already
[20:27] <amouge[work]> argh gonna shoot myself over this pear crap
[20:28] <reya276> but why would I need that it says all I have to do is put it in my nook directory and done, but I see what you mean in case it does not read the format I can use this to convert it
[20:28] <reya276> PEAR
[20:29] <reya276> PHP PEAR
[20:29] <amouge[work]> yea php pear :/
[20:29] <reya276> shooting one self is not a very good Idea
[20:29] <amouge[work]> awwww your no fun
[20:29] <reya276> but if it makes you happy go for it, LOL
[20:29] <amouge[work]> jee thanks :-p
[20:29] <amouge[work]> lol
[20:30] <amouge[work]> i just wanna test out this stupid freaking time clock script to see if it will work for our needs. so annoying
[20:32] <reya276> did you install the PEAR modules for apache and PHP from the repositories
[20:33] <reya276> I too had issues getting PEAR to work without Webmail Server and EgroupWare, it turned out I did not have the modules for PEAR installed
[20:33] <reya276> *with our
[20:34] <amouge[work]> hmm.. dunno about the apache modules
[20:34] <reya276> yeah, take a look and make sure they are active/installed
[20:34] <amouge[work]> isnt it just called php-pear ?
[20:35] <reya276> this is for Web base programming right
[20:35] <amouge[work]> yes
[20:35] <reya276> one sec, let me look at my apache config
[20:37] <itnet7> reya276: The site says you need digital editions to download the actual e-book. The acsm file that you originally downloaded when you purchased the e-book is like a digital receipt that grants you the ability to get the download the actual .pdf or epub formatted book through digital edtions. Holy DRM Batman!.
[20:37] <amouge[work]> lol
[20:38] <reya276> LOL
[20:38] <reya276> oh so I should not buy books from google, I don't think I have a choice is not like any other seller has zero DRM
[20:39] <reya276> I rather support Google than Amazon or BN
[20:39] <itnet7> I'll bet the Adobe Digitial Editions will rely upon .net so you probably won't be able run it in wine
[20:39] <reya276> but whatever I guess in this DRM world is all the same right
[20:39] <itnet7> I think it might be better for you to get the books straight from the publisher if possible
[20:40] <itnet7> O'reilley books do not at this point seem to contain DRM, and you can directly download .pdf's I believe
[20:40] <reya276> well I get them from BN right now since I have a Nook the only issue is that I can't sync to my PC because BN does not have a Desktop software for Ubuntu, Only WinJunk/MAC
[20:41] <reya276> Why I don't understand is why Google does not come up with a desktop ap for Ubuntu as is the most popular desktop dist for nix
[20:41] <reya276> DRM or not
[20:42] <amouge[work]> you think my problem could be with permissions?
[20:42] <reya276> at this point I can care less, it has gotten to the point that you can't get anything without it
[20:42] <amouge[work]> cause im running php cli as root
[20:42] <itnet7> Chuck and I have successfully used Calibre to sideload books, not sure about synching with purchased books. Make sure you're using the latest calibre though if you notice any issues with your device appearing
[20:42] <reya276> music on some stores
[20:42] <amouge[work]> to test the script
[20:42] <amouge[work]> and if so, whats the workaround on that? :-D
[20:43] <itnet7> the standard delivered calibre continued giving me errors with the Sony E-reader I have.
[20:43] <itnet7> the nook was recognized immediately
[20:43] <itnet7> even with the standard version included in the repos
[20:44] <itnet7> not delivered, sorry
[20:44] <itnet7> but upgrading to the latest allowed for the sony device to be seen, and gave me some really cool added features
[20:46] <amouge[work]> [Mon Dec 06 15:43:23 2010] [warn] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Fatal error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 'System.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/clients/client1/web2/web/test2.php on line 2
[20:46] <amouge[work]> i guess thats a permissions problem?
[20:47] <itnet7> reya276: check out this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-701191.html
[20:48] <reya276> it seems though you are missing this System.php
[20:48] <reya276> so it could an issue with the PEAR version that you are using
[20:49] <amouge[work]> [Mon Dec 06 15:43:23 2010] [warn] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Warning:  require_once(/usr/share/php/System.php): failed to open stream: Operation not permitted in /var/www/clients/client1/web2/web/test2.php on line 2
[20:49] <amouge[work]> reya276: the same exact script is returning true through CLI php
[20:50] <amouge[work]> so its working in cli
[20:50] <reya276> amouge[work], right that is not a permission thing it is actually saying that it can't find System.php
[20:50] <amouge[work]> reya276: but it can find it when in cli? I checked the php.ini for both, and made sure the include_path was identical
[20:51] <reya276> that does not make sense because according to the first error you posted it says you are missing and inclue which points to system.php
[20:51] <amouge[work]> im just tellign you... I did a require_once('System.php'); echo 'true';
[20:51] <reya276> It could be a permission issue, sometimes PHP is not the best scripting language in terms of error debugging
[20:51] <amouge[work]> in cli it gets the true, so no fatal error
[20:52] <amouge[work]> in browser it dies and doesnt output anything
[20:52] <amouge[work]> :/ so frustrating
[20:52] <itnet7> Adobe at the least should have made ADE an adobe air app
[20:52] <reya276> oh ok then what are the permission assigned to system.php or the file which is calling the function
[20:53] <tiemonster> amouge[work]: permissions need to match user/group for apache
[20:53] <amouge[work]> the include path is owned by root
[20:53] <tiemonster> so either apply more liberal permissions, or chown to the same user:group as apache
[20:53] <amouge[work]> which is the default
[20:53] <reya276> are running this from the user directory such as public_html?
[20:53] <tiemonster> defaults never work
[20:54] <tiemonster> wait - what?
[20:54] <tiemonster> root?
[20:54] <reya276> or are you running it from /var/www
[20:54] <amouge[work]> reya276: ive got it set up so everything is served from /var/www
[20:54] <tiemonster> bad idea
[20:55] <reya276> ok in Apache you can set up a module where you can create all your web apps to run from your Home directory such as /home/username/public_html/
[20:55] <amouge[work]> tiemonster: its an internal server with no access to the outside
[20:55] <tiemonster> because permission problems are going to force you to either run apache as root (terrible idea), or chown /var/www to www-user (worse)
[20:55] <reya276> ok so from /var/www
[20:55] <reya276> then you will have to give it the correct permissions to run correctly
[20:55] <tiemonster> I usually create /home/www and chown it to www-user, setting this as the document root
[20:56] <tiemonster> then all will be well
[20:56] <reya276> I think it is usually 644 or 755 can't remember which one
[20:56] <tiemonster> amouge[work]: doesn't matter
[20:56] <tiemonster> reya276: that won't solve the problem
[20:57] <amouge[work]> tiemonster: hrm.. damn thats gonna change a lot cause i installed ispconfig to play with it too
[20:57] <reya276> tiemonster, right that way I don't have to worry about the permissions thing
[20:57] <amouge[work]> and it puts everything in /var/www
[20:57] <amouge[work]> lol
[20:57] <tiemonster> /var/www was made for static files
[20:57]  * amouge[work] smacks him self in the face
[20:57] <tiemonster> not PHP applications
[20:57] <tiemonster> I wouldn't recommend changing the permissions of that folder
[20:57] <tiemonster> but you can certainly do it
[20:58] <reya276> well ok then you can't change the permissions to your script, or why don't you just make wwwdata the owner
[20:58] <tiemonster> you could also just chown it to www-user or whatever
[20:58] <reya276> this way everything will run with the correct permissions
[20:58] <reya276> www-data
[20:58] <amouge[work]> i tried chown 'ing /var/www to www-data
[20:59] <reya276> then that should have worked, did you tried doing it sudo chown -R /var/www/appdir www-data
[21:00] <amouge[work]> lrwxrwxrwx  1 www-data www-data   30 2010-12-06 14:03 time.pnsnow.com
[21:00] <tiemonster> you'll have to change the group as well
[21:00] <amouge[work]> ive been messing with all kinds of things
[21:00] <reya276> this way www-data will own everything within the /appdir
[21:00] <amouge[work]> drwxr-xr-x  8 www-data www-data 4096 2010-12-06 14:55 www
[21:03] <tiemonster> don't know what to tell ya
[21:04] <tiemonster> amouge[work]: did you do it recursively?
[21:04] <amouge[work]> tiemonster: yes sir
[21:04] <amouge[work]> :/
[21:04] <tiemonster> man, crap luck today.
[21:04] <tiemonster> oh yeah - it's Monday
[21:05] <amouge[work]> lol yup
[21:07] <reya276> yeah that is very weird, it should have worked
[21:08] <reya276> what is it exactly that the script is suppose to do?
[21:08] <amouge[work]> reya276: right now im just running a test to try and include either PEAR.php or System.php both included in a pear install
[21:08] <amouge[work]> both work through cli
[21:09] <amouge[work]> the script im trying to install is an internal timeclock
[21:09] <amouge[work]> so that the boss doesnt manually add time anymore
[21:09] <reya276> Oh on another topic does anyone know if there is a lightscribe package to write on LightScribe CDs/DVDs
[21:10] <amouge[work]> reya276: like a program for doing that? as opposed to drivers?
[21:10] <reya276> then dude that Chown -R should have worked
[21:10] <amouge[work]> reya276: have you tried lightscribe simple labeler?
[21:10] <reya276> just for testing sakes try giving those files 777 perm
[21:11] <reya276> and see what happens
[21:11] <amouge[work]> the /var/www ?
[21:11] <amouge[work]> or the /usr dir?
[21:11] <reya276> no to the /appdir where your script is located
[21:11] <amouge[work]> lol thats what i thought
[21:12] <reya276> your web app structure should be /var/www/web_app_dir
[21:12] <amouge[work]> failure
[21:12] <reya276> man that is weird
[21:13] <reya276> ok do you have the "authz_user" module enabled?
[21:14] <reya276> and the "env" module enabled?
[21:14] <reya276> and the "autoindex" module enabled?
[21:15] <reya276> and just in case also enabled your "userdir" module too
[21:16] <amouge[work]> i assume that would show up in phpinfo()
[21:16] <amouge[work]> k i enabled all
[21:16] <amouge[work]> the only one not enabled was userdir
[21:16] <amouge[work]> still no fix
[21:17] <amouge[work]> im getting this when i restart apache btw
[21:17] <amouge[work]> Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper.
[21:21]  * amouge[work] sighs
[21:23] <amouge[work]> k fixed the warning
[21:23] <amouge[work]> but no fix for problem. lmao
[21:52] <reya276> amouge[work], damn dude sorry but at this point I'm not sure what is wrong
[21:53] <amouge[work]> its cool im testing some other theories
[21:59] <reya276> hey is there a way I can install a 32bit software .deb on my 64bit OS
[21:59] <amouge[work]> heading home all.
[21:59] <reya276> I know there is something about force something
[21:59] <reya276> or other....
[22:00] <amouge[away]> http://www.unixtutorial.org/2008/03/install-32-bit-deb-packages-on-64-bit/
[22:00] <amouge[away]> later
[22:01] <reya276> thanks
[22:03] <reya276> ah man total failure http://paste.ubuntu.com/540441/
[23:35] <cjohnston> do be do
[23:40] <ShawnR> anyone know why L3 cache would be disabled in BIOS for a Xeon processor?
[23:55] <mhall119> do xeons have l3 cache?
[23:58] <ShawnR> mhall119: some do i think... i know newer ones do
[23:58] <mhall119> oh, I didn't know xeons were still being made
[23:58] <ShawnR> and i honestly don't know which ones these are... got a dual Xeon 2.0ghz 2u server from my uncle, playing with it now
[23:59] <ShawnR> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117187
[23:59] <ShawnR> looks like that one might be it, with 4MB shared L3
[23:59] <ShawnR> at least... i'm hoping that is the right one