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[11:53] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
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[12:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[12:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[12:31] <acheronuk> mparillo: if you have been trying frameworks 5.44, please comment on this if you can: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-framework/+bug/1754825
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[12:31] <acheronuk> ^^ ditto for blaze, mamarley DarinMiller etc
[12:32] <mamarley> Done. :)
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[12:33] <acheronuk> ty :)
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[13:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[13:23] <mparillo> So many VMs with BB Beta1 testing. I cannot remember which (if any) had FW 5.44. Looking now.
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[13:35] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #125 for job mgmt_pause_integration (previous build: ABORTED)
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[14:13] <mparillo> I added my successful test results to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-framework/+bug/1754825 and updated https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/status/ for FW 5.44 in the staging PPA column.
[14:14] <acheronuk> mparillo: Qt 5.9.5?
[14:16] <acheronuk> thanks :)
 @nggraham please comment if you can on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-framework/+bug/1754825
[14:34] <mparillo> acheronuk: It will take me a bit to get back to that VM, so I will double check.
[14:34] <mparillo> but I will double check.
[14:35] <mparillo> This was a clean install for Beta1 testing, only adding ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks
[14:36] <mparillo> Others may have enabled proposed or added another PPA. Anyway, shutting down this laptop to go to the other.
[14:51] <mparillo> Sorry, Typo: s/Qt 5.9.5/Qt 5.9.4/
[14:52] <acheronuk> mparillo: figured it must be. thanks
[14:53] <mparillo> It would be nice if the text in kinfocenter was easier to copy and paste
[14:54] <mparillo> And if there were some kind of Virtual Box version of open-vm-tools-desktop.
 wait Muon instead of Discover? I thought Muon was dead?
 some guy is still semi-maintaining it
 I need to hug that guy
 https://cgit.kde.org/muon.git/
 Múon became discover no ?
 @tomazcanabrava, that's what I thought since it was called "Muon Discover"
 mostly. It doesn't do package management, while Muon does/did
 Discover is apps only
 While I do know that I think that’s a broken design in the sense that a user that’s used to discover will not be able to install a library that’s missing for an app plugin to work .-.
 can you give me an example?
 Of course :)
 generally issues like that are packaging bugs that should be resolved by the developers or apckagers themselves
 Not if the package is marked as “optional”
 if a package is markes optional but the app doesn't work without it, that's a packaging bug
 You misunderstood me
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 User installs digikam from discover, digikam is working
 The “plugins” are empty because kipi-plugins is optional
 User can’t install the kipi plugins from discover
 lp frameworks 5.44 bug report commented.
 then we need to give kipi-plugins some appstream metadata so that you can
 again, a packaging bug :)
 But kipi is not an application
 Discover absolutely allows you to install app plugins from within itself. Search for Gedit, for example:
 (Photo, 1052x966) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aCnWo3xk/file_5132.jpg
 anything with appstream metadata gets displayed in Discover
 (Btw this is an exemplar that I don’t know if it’s working or not, just something I tougth now )
 if you give a plugin some appstream metadata, Discover can install it
 that UI that you see for Gedit? Digikam could show the same thing if we packaged the pieces properly
 same with Gwenview. Basically what I'm hearing here is that kipi-plugins isn't packaged right so it doesn't appear in Discover like it should
 let me go file a bug for that
 maybe fix it too
 Maybe a “also install development packages related to this software” could be a good option
 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391669
 This already work for Okular, for example
 (Photo, 1052x1178) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5wr5MaRC/file_5134.jpg
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 Oh
 Can we remove the help texts ?
 The “adds support for reading” in every line is making the screen quite busy
 Perhaps a tooltip with the text ?
 that would require a bug to Okular
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 not sure we can omit them in Discover; look again at the Gedit screenshot
 Or in a smaller font
 sure, file a bug on Discover and I'll take a look
 I'm always up for little UI improvements
 I’ll try to hack that
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 building amarok 2.9.0 for the hell of it
[17:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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 @acheronuk, 👍🏼
 this KDE4 packaging isn a PITA
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 what makes kde4 enviro so challenging?  Lack of KCI infrastructure or too many old depends no longer available in current DE?
 I'm more used to KF5 now, and much of the KDE4 stuff has not been updated in years
 it's just a bit crusty and old
 :)
[19:10] <IrcsomeBot2> * DarinMiller hands Rik a pair of gloves and some hipboots.
 contemplating upgrading intel laptop to 18.04 unless anyone knows a reason to wait...
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 not heard any screams from intel users so far
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 just wanted to avoid the cart in front of the horse issue like when qt 5.9.4 was stuck in proposed(?) but was needed for the lasted fw/plasma.
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 nothing essential is stuck in proposed right now. it should all run fine
 GERONIMO.... 18.04 on it's way. :)
[19:23] <IrcsomeBot2> * acheronuk hopes he was right!
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 :) easy to fix if something was missed.
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[21:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Rik Mills: amarok kf5 now master branch
[21:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Failed tests:
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 Well that was an adventure.  If the upgrade says process says it failed to upgrade, it's not kidding. :)
 Lesson learned: don't reboot until after resolving the upgrade issues.
[22:02] <valorie> oh gosh, what happened?
 Who knew grub menu access key changed from "shift" to "Esc"? And empty resolv.conf files are not effective for connecting to the servers for finishing failed installs....
[22:03] <valorie> ewwww
 "sudo apt dist-upgrade -d" from 17.10 laptop to 18.04 was unsuccessfull.
 has anyone seen apt stuck at 0%?  I think apt tripped over itself when it upgraded its own apt-compat file.
 ouch!
 not a problem.  I can easily recover. But I like the adventure of tring to recover.  Google search suggest an apt clean might help.
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[22:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[22:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[22:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_juk build #101: FIXED in 15 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_juk/101/
 Here's irony for you: my recovery attempt keeps stopping on "Setting up apt (1.6~beta) ...".  I have to REISUB to restart the recovery process.  Issue happens even with apt-get.  Next attempting to remove "apt" via dpkg...and then re-install if setup recovery succeeds.
[22:38] <IrcsomeBot2> * acheronuk takes comfort in fact apt packaing is nothing to do with him
 :)
[22:40] <valorie> @DarinMiller -- use pkcon?
[22:41] <valorie> sudo pkcon refresh && sudo pkcon update is pretty awesome.....
 pkcon, dpkg, apt-get and apt fail to uninstall apt.  I will test pkcon refresh and update after my next REISUB as I am stuck at 0% again.
 pkcon fails to contact packagekit... may have to try bigger hammers...
[23:18] <valorie> yowza
[23:18] <valorie> time for a fresh install?
 it's about time for a fresh install. I can't get dpkg to configure apt.  Fortuneatley, I have a separate partitions for root and home so not a big deal.  I like to spin through the recovery process on occasion incase I can help someone who does not have separate root & home partitions.
[23:30] <valorie> yeah, me too
[23:31] <valorie> fortunately nearly all of my upgrades were successful
 Learned several things to today:  Esc is now the grub interupt key, ctrl-z works when ctrl-c fails, the recovery "drop to root" is no longer read only (yeah!) but if it is ro use "mount -o rw,remount /."
[23:37] <valorie> what is control z?
[23:38] <valorie> also you should blog about these things
 Suspend process (I rarely use it so I always forget about it).
 you can suspend and resume (fg or bg to resume in foreground or background resp).
[23:43] <valorie> cool
 does anybody know off the top of their head what the file is that contains the command used to start plasmashell?
 never mind, found it: /etc/xdg/autostart/org.kde.plasmashell.desktop
 cool, good find.


[00:53] <cmaloney> Evening? :)
[00:53] <widox> yep, its evening time :p
[00:54] <rick_h__> evening
[00:58] <rick_h__> this guy has the right idea https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/14461809287/
[00:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/OoYFZ6 - P1030784.jpg | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
[01:01] <cmaloney> heh
[01:03] <cmaloney> http://memegenerator.net/instance/52487702
[01:03] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/TgORPK - Late for work hits snooze bar anyway - Snooze | Meme Generator
[01:06] <rick_h__> hah
[01:06] <rick_h__> nice
[12:11] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> morn
[13:31] <jrwren> morn
[13:35] <rick_h__> ugh
[13:36] <jrwren> already?
[13:41] <rick_h__> tired, lot of time outside wore me out this weekend
[13:41] <jrwren> almost zero outside time for me this weekend :(   I'm jealous.
[13:42] <rick_h__> yea, was nice. Last weekend with the family though for a month so :/
[13:42] <jrwren> Wife is sick, so stayed at home and had no fun
[13:42] <jrwren> well, had lots of indoor fun
[13:42] <rick_h__> ah, :( on being sick
[13:42] <jrwren> :(
[13:42] <jrwren> month?!
[13:42] <rick_h__> well traveling to or from somewhere every weekend for the next 4
[13:43] <rick_h__> and they're international so leave on Sat, back on Sat but will have a dead sunday
[13:43] <jrwren> ah, right.
[13:43] <rick_h__> so we made sure to go out and have a big family weekend
[13:43] <rick_h__> thus now zzzzz
[13:44] <jrwren> what you doing post london?
[13:44] <rick_h__> there's a team lead sprint in germany
[13:45] <rick_h__> basically 'report to Mark S on how the cycle is going and what it is you're not going to get done' sprint
[13:45] <brousch> That sounds frightening
[13:45] <rick_h__> heh, well it depends on how your cycle is going
[13:46] <rick_h__> last one I did went pretty well I think.
[13:46] <rick_h__> this one is going to be a bit rougher for sure
[13:46] <brousch> Can you blame Windows and OSX?
[13:47] <rick_h__> heh, no. OSX is the one thing we've gotten out the door
[13:47] <jrwren> blame jrwren for killing your CI :)
[13:47] <brousch> But it took all of your time to do so!
[13:47] <rick_h__> I have to blame hiring slowness and growing projects
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> lol jrwren already broke something? tsk tsk
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> if you aren't breaking things you aren't diong enough
[13:57] <rick_h__> I like to say that if you're not swimming you're not in deep enough.
[13:57] <rick_h__> the breaking part seems a bit unnecessary :P
[13:57] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:00] <jrwren> dude, I broke EVERYTHING just a couple hours into my first day.
[14:01] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: EVERYTHING!!!
[14:01] <jrwren> no one could work.
[14:01] <rick_h__> lol
[14:01] <jrwren> i wasted hours (days) of other peoples time.
[14:01] <rick_h__> special talent for finding the weak ponit
[14:01] <rick_h__> point
[14:01] <jrwren> At least, that is how I tell the story.
[14:01] <rick_h__> :)
[14:01] <rick_h__> I phrase it that it's taken a village to train jrwren, and recover from his melt downs :)
[14:02] <jrwren> hahahahaha
[14:02] <jrwren> For the record, that was only a partial melt down. Full shall never occur.
[14:05] <cmaloney> Never say never. :)
[14:15] <jrwren> i can pretty much say never given my lack of melt downs in the past.
[14:15] <jrwren> my body tends to react to stress, so while i may not consciously know i'm stressed, my body tells me that I am.
[14:16] <jrwren> i guess I could ignore that, but I like to think I'm not that foolist
[14:16] <rick_h__> lol
[14:16] <cmaloney> Yeah, I tend to internalize a lot of things and blame myself for things going wrong
[14:16] <cmaloney> It's agift.
[15:14] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Accept mah invite. :)
[15:14] <cmaloney> brousch: You too.
[15:15] <cmaloney> Going to see if I can get rick_h__ on the go train as well (the game(
[15:15] <cmaloney> )
[15:15] <rick_h__> ruh roh
[15:17] <cmaloney> rick_h__: http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Kaya-Tibet-Spruce-Floor-Board/dp/B000JX6X86/
[15:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/A0KiWv - Amazon.com: Shin-Kaya Tibet Spruce Go Game Floor Board - 2-3/8 inch: Toys & Games
[15:18] <rick_h__> oh, that other GO thing you all were chatting about
[15:18] <brousch> cmaloney: I don't see any invite
[15:18] <brousch> Does it go to email?
[15:19] <cmaloney> Log into http://www.dragongoserver.net/]
[15:19] <bookiebot> DGS - Error
[15:19] <cmaloney> Log into http://www.dragongoserver.net/
[15:19] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/M2HG - DGS - Dragon Go Server
[15:19] <cmaloney> Sometimes email doesn't work
[15:21] <brousch> I should learn the rules first
[15:21] <cmaloney> What better way to learn than by getting spanked by an amateur. :)
[15:21] <brousch> cmaloney: Nice mustache
[15:21] <cmaloney> That's how I'm learning from ColonelPanic001
[15:24] <cmaloney> http://www.usgo.org/files/pdf/W2Go8x11.pdf
[15:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WdO3ij - application/pdf
[15:24] <cmaloney> That's "The Way to Go" ebook
[15:24] <cmaloney> it'll give you a good foundation for the game
[15:25] <cmaloney> And feel free to ask questions.
[15:25] <cmaloney> I'm just looking to get other folks into the game. :)
[15:26] <brousch> Geez, this website feels like Ajax never happened
[15:26] <cmaloney> This is why you'll want to install BW-Go
[15:27] <cmaloney> There are other go sites out there, but they don't have decent remote protocol options
[15:28]  * ColonelPanic001 spanks cmaloney
[15:28] <ColonelPanic001> KGS is my favorite, but no mobile app. ugh.
[15:28] <brousch> Might as well not exist at all
[15:29] <cmaloney> Yeah, KGS also requires Java to interface.
[15:29]  * brousch slaps ColonelPanic001
[15:29] <cmaloney> There's also whatever server qGo uses.
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> I actually have a physical goban, but I've used it maybe once in the past four years
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> turns out it requires other people
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> pft
[15:30] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Funny that
[15:30] <cmaloney> I'm thinking of getting a starter set at some point
[15:30] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GH3D3EE/
[15:30] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bbTZ5b - Amazon.com: 9x9 / 13x13 - 3/8" Beginner's Learning Board and Stones Set: Toys & Games
[15:31] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/Go-Game-with-Wood-Board/dp/B00000IZPL <- this one is too small unfortunately
[15:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/gUSsSp - Amazon.com: Go Game with Wood Board: Toys & Games
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.amazon.com/Go-Game-with-Wood-Board/dp/B00000IZPL/ref=sr_1_3?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1405351874&sr=1-3&keywords=go+board
[15:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/2fkv2Y - Amazon.com: Go Game with Wood Board: Toys & Games
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> thnk that's the one I have
[15:31] <cmaloney> Hah
[15:31] <cmaloney> Same one. :)
[15:32] <cmaloney> I have a magnetic one as well
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> hm, maybe not then. It's just a usual plank of wood, but it's a 19x19
[15:32] <cmaloney> Same small size.
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> little "asian store" in the mall down here has some nice ones
[15:32] <cmaloney> yeah, it's 19x19, but under a foot across
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> nothing too special, but maybe 6" tall, drawers for the stones, etc
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> ah, nah, mine's probably 1.5' square
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> well, maybe. I don't even know the last time I had it out, maybe I'm wrong
[16:25] <cmaloney> I <3 Indian food but man it can look like a dog's breakfast at times.
[17:07] <brousch> I'm told that's only pre-packaged Indian food
[17:07] <brousch> Fresh looks more edible
[17:11] <cmaloney> Yeah.
[18:24] <rick_h__> heh, ok I laughed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqAUmgE3WyM
[18:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/DVAj8 - Useless Box Kit from ThinkGeek - YouTube
[18:35] <cmaloney> ;)
[23:52] <greg-g> is it just me, or have big trucks just continued to get even bigger and bigger


[00:02] <Rinchen> beuno, are you around by chance?
[00:04] <Rinchen> beuno, unping.  Found what I needed
[02:12] <beuno> Rinchen, I'm packing for London
[02:12] <beuno> glad you found it
[02:12] <beuno> seems we're in different hotels
[15:34] <Rinchen> beuno, yeah you get the good hotel :-)
[20:12] <mdke> Rinchen / beuno: how long are you in London for? Whereabouts are you staying?
[20:12] <Rinchen> I arrive this Saturday, the 1st.  I leave on the 9th
[20:12] <Rinchen> mdke, and I'm near Victoria.  beuno is near vauxhall
[20:13] <Rinchen> got put in different hotels
[20:13] <Rinchen> mdke, we should get together for a drink
[20:13] <mdke> Rinchen: I was thinking the same. An evening next week might work
[20:14] <Rinchen> week night evenings are going to be difficult for me
[20:14] <mdke> ah
[20:14] <Rinchen> I have 2 work parties, 1 personal, and 2 other pending engagements
[20:14] <Rinchen> My weekends are wide open though if you're in town
[20:15] <mdke> this weekend is out, although next might be ok. I'll drop you an email nearer the time
[20:30] <beuno> mdke, hey. From march 3d to march 8th
[20:30] <beuno> same time as Rinchen I think
[20:30]  * beuno just arrived to madrid