[12:27] <CIA-32> user-setup: cjwatson * r253 ubuntu/ (74 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.41
[12:36] <CIA-32> user-setup: cjwatson * r254 ubuntu/debian/ (18 files in 2 dirs): Update Ubuntu-specific translations from Launchpad.
[12:39] <CIA-32> user-setup: cjwatson * r255 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.41ubuntu1
[14:50] <narusso> setup-storage fails while trying to install 12.04, claiming "this system does not have a physical disk 1". Seems that disk-info ignores /dev/sda because it's group is root instead of disk. Is udev to blame?
[16:37] <stgraber> ev: do you think you can get a new wubi.exe built, signed and published (for Precise) soonish? I'd like to test some dailies with the current wubi and I think it'd also make it easier for some of the daily testers (instead of having to send them a custom build ;))
[16:37] <ev> sure, I'll do it nowish
[16:41] <stgraber> thanks
[16:42] <jibel> stgraber, about bug 950282 , I confirm what superm1 found and now trying 2.9.26 on b1
[16:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 950282 in oem-priority/precise "Installation failing with pop-up "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error and will now reboot."" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950282
[16:43] <jibel> .27 actually
[16:43] <stgraber> jibel: thanks. Whenever I see a gtk upload and that kind of stacktraces I start by suspecting gtk before ubiquity ;)
[16:43] <stgraber> at least it's fairly easy to only upgrade ubiquity for that kind of test
[17:14] <stgraber> jibel: ok, so 2.9.27 with an up to date userspace triggers the bug but 2.9.27 with beta1's userspace doesn't?
[17:15] <jibel> stgraber, right, I'm now updating gtk on b1
[17:15] <jibel> logout from live session crashes :/
[17:16] <stgraber> jibel: yeah, I noticed that recently, if you logout you're screwed, lightdm enter some kind of infinite loop...
[17:17] <stgraber> jibel: the best way is to boot the live CD, then switch to tty1, run "stop lightdm", do the upgrades, then run "start lightdm", I think that worked fine last I tried :)
[17:17] <jibel> stgraber, unity-greeter segfaults and lightdm tries to restart it
[17:18] <stgraber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/943037
[17:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 943037 in casper "Log out/in not working in live session" [High,Triaged]
[17:18] <stgraber> not sure it's really casper's fault though, I'll have a look in a few minutes though, I just finished grabbing all the images I needed for some testing here
[17:27] <jibel> stgraber, here is the list of pending updates http://paste.ubuntu.com/882076/ any idea which one I should upgrade next ?
[17:27] <stgraber> jibel: I'm submitting a bug report for the unity-greeter crash
[17:28] <stgraber> wow, that's a long list :)
[17:29] <stgraber> gir1.2-gtk-3.0 sounds like a good candidate
[17:36] <stgraber> jibel: I filed bug 954255 and poked mterry about it
[17:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 954255 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954255
[17:39] <jibel> stgraber, k. no crash with gir1.2-gtk-3.0 . upgrading libc6
[17:46] <jibel> stgraber, boom
[17:47] <stgraber> jibel: cool, so that was the libc6?
[17:48] <jibel> stgraber, yep. upgraded from 2.15-0ubuntu3 to 2.15-0ubuntu5
[17:48] <stgraber> jibel: ok, looking at the changelog, the most likely is the 2.15-0ubuntu3 => 2.15-0ubuntu4 upgrade breaking it
[17:48] <stgraber>   * Merge from Debian (r5173, 2.13-27).
[17:48] <stgraber>   * Don't include the non-default multilib debug files in the libc6-dbg
[17:48] <stgraber>     package for any architecture.
[17:49] <stgraber> 2.15-0ubuntu5 is supposedly ARM speciifc
[17:49] <stgraber> jibel: can you try with 2.15-0ubuntu4 to confirm you also have the problem? (so we can rule out 2.15-0ubuntu5)
[17:51] <cjwatson> hm, nothing jumps out from the Debian merge
[17:52] <cjwatson> ports we don't use, localedata, removing debug files from biarch packages, testsuite fiddling
[17:53] <cjwatson> having a hard time seeing how any of these changes could matter ...
[17:58] <stgraber> Mar 8 20:30:10 ubuntu kernel: [ 41.113727] pool[9204]: segfault at 17 ip 00007f022e402bfe sp 00007f0216355a20 error 6 in libc-2.15.so[7f022e2d9000+1b1000]
[17:59] <stgraber> is what the reporter said is appearing in the syslog, not sure it really helps though
[18:04] <cjwatson> mm, need to catch it with gdb or valgrind or something
[18:20] <superm1> i've tried with gdb on the python process and it refuses to crash when doing that
[18:21] <stgraber> oh, we have a fix then ;)
[18:31] <superm1> haha
[20:33] <scott-upstairs> can someone help me understand a few things about bug #952462 ?
[20:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 952462 in ubiquity "Ubuntustudio 12.04 installer has unreadable text" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/952462
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> the problem appears to be that the uqibuity installer background and text are both dark and unreadable (pics with bug report)
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> but this only happens when you pick to install ubuntu studio directly from the live-boot menu
[20:35] <scott-upstairs> (i.e. the problem doesn't manifest when you are in the liveFS and then choose to install from either menu entry or desktop icon)
[20:35] <scott-upstairs> i have noticed a few things about xubuntu's code, however
[20:36] <scott-upstairs> firstly, i noticed that the xubuntu-live-settings package is called in : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.precise/view/head:/live
[20:36] <scott-upstairs> (ubuntu studio does not have this package at this point)
[20:36] <scott-upstairs> which appears to be created with the xubuntu-default-settings package
[20:37] <scott-upstairs> here is the control file:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/control
[20:37] <scott-upstairs> the xubuntu-live-settings.install doesn't do much: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-live-settings.install
[20:38] <superm1> i've add a comment about how we fix this in mythbuntu, i'm unsure what xubuntu does about it though
[20:38] <superm1> note: we still do have a problem with our theme and gtk3 apps
[20:38] <superm1> but the theme itself needs to be fixed for that
[20:39] <scott-upstairs> oh, hmmm, interesting....i thought that xubuntu didn't have this problem and i had hoped it was because i did not account for the xubuntu-live-settings package
[20:39] <scott-upstairs> i shoudl have said "..didn't have this problem, i had hoped ubuntu studio was suffering it because i did not account..."
[20:40] <scott-upstairs> and i was hoping that all i needed to do was modify the xubuntu-live-settings for ubuntu studio and the problem would be solved
[20:40] <scott-upstairs> (although i didn't really understand how this would happen given the information that i could find)
[20:40] <superm1> oh it looks like xubuntu does the exact same thing mythbuntu does
[20:40] <superm1> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/casper/48xubuntu_maybe_ubiquity
[20:40] <scott-upstairs> aye
[20:41] <scott-upstairs> superm1, so, perhaps if i add these items (ie ubuntustudio-live-settings, /casper/48ububuntustudio_maybe_ubiquity) then the problem may be solved ?
[20:42] <superm1> scott-upstairs: if your theme is set up the same way ( somewhere in /etc/xdg ), then if you set up a casper script that gets included in the livefs initramfs, yeah i believe it should fix it for you too
[20:42] <scott-upstairs> oh, and i didn't realize that mythbuntu was also an xfce based distro :)
[20:42] <scott-upstairs> xubuntu is quite popular these days :-)
[20:43] <scott-upstairs> or xfce
[20:44] <superm1> yeah mythbuntu has been on it as well since inception
[20:44] <scott-upstairs> superm1, yes, we are setting the theme in /etc/xgd as xubuntu does, that is very heartening to learn
[20:44] <superm1> scott-upstairs: now if you also encounter theme problems when in "try ubuntu studio" mode, you also have problems with your GTK3 theme that will need to be fixed like we hit with mythbuntu and lubuntu hit
[20:45] <scott-upstairs> superm1, by "try ubuntu studio" do you mean running it as a liveFS?
[20:45] <superm1> yeah when running in live mode, yes
[20:45] <superm1> if you were to double click the installer or launch ubiquity from there
[20:46] <scott-upstairs> running in live mode seems to work okay, as does installing from menu/desktop icon
[20:46] <scott-upstairs> but it appears that we are perhaps using a different way to get to the live mode
[20:46] <superm1> okay, that's good to hear, then yeah just get this casper fix in your packages in some fashion
[20:47] <scott-upstairs> our original menu options appear as when we were alternate image, but with a new entry of "try ubuntu studio"
[20:47] <scott-upstairs> maybe that is nothing, just a text based menu, and it still does the exact same as everyone else to get to live mode
[20:48] <scott-upstairs> right, this seems like a pretty straightforward and fairly trivial fix then, thank you for your help superm1 !
[20:48] <superm1> basically what that does is starts the lightdm instead of ubiquity upstart job
[20:48] <superm1> sure no problem
[21:15] <stgraber> interesting how looking at a casper bug you find two others... that thing definitely wasn't designed for persistent usb disks ;)
[21:18] <infinity> stgraber: s/ for persistent usb disks//
[21:19] <stgraber> infinity: good point ;)
[21:25] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5249 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-bluetooth-agent debian/changelog): Prevent ubiquity-bluetooth-agent crash when it already ran.
[22:20] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5250 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Remove poke_screensaver and instead replace by code disabling gnome-screensaver in gsettings.
[22:42] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5251 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog pixmaps/ubuntu_installed.png): Replace ubuntu_installed.png by a scaled down version to make both icons the same size.
[23:16] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5252 ubiquity/tests/test_ubi_partman.py: Enable test_same_ubuntu_only, updating to Ubuntu 12.04 and changing the check to ensure we don't get offered an 'Upgrade' from 12.04 to 12.04.
[23:18] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5253 ubiquity/tests/test_ubi_partman.py: Add a check to ensure ubiquity never offers a downgrade
[23:21] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5254 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): releasing version 2.9.28


[18:31] <PaulW2U> pleia2: summaries all done
[18:31] <jose> thanks, PaulW2U!
[18:32] <PaulW2U> jose: some weeks are easier than others :)
[18:32] <jose> :)


[00:31] <mwhudson> Peng_: are you here?
[00:34] <mwhudson> ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('error', "'AbsentContentFactory' object has no attribute 'get_bytes_as'")
[00:34] <mwhudson> will that not go away until we upgrade the server?
[00:35] <lifeless> mwhudson: bug 354036
[00:36] <mwhudson> lifeless: oh right
[00:36] <spiv> Or, possibly, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/365615 ?
[00:37] <mwhudson> spiv: no, not that one, for sure
[00:40] <spiv> mwhudson: upgrading the server won't fix affected branches.  When http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/project/bzr/request/%3C20090422071133.GE10211%40steerpike.home.puzzling.org%3E lands upgrading the server will cause 1.13 smart clients to push unbroken stacked branches, but that won't help e.g. SFTP or <= 1.12.
[00:41] <mwhudson> spiv: right, i read the bug report now
[00:42] <spiv> mwhudson: once 1.14 is out, or the server-side fix is landed and cherry-picked to LP, (so we can hope that most new branches will be ok rather than broken) we should apply Robert's fix script to all the stacked branches on Launchpad.
[00:43] <lifeless> spiv: welcome to the connected
[00:43] <spiv> lifeless: :)
[00:44] <lifeless> spiv: I have a need
[00:44] <lifeless> spiv: I want a way to say 'dammit this medium is > X'
[00:45] <lifeless> spiv: and/or to fix the 3 insert stream round trips
[00:45] <mwhudson> spiv: ok
[00:45] <mwhudson> spiv: please tell someone when your fix lands :)
[00:46] <mwhudson> spiv: hang on, 1.14 isn't out yet?
[00:47] <spiv> mwhudson: still at rc2
[00:47] <mwhudson> spiv: when will it be out?
[00:48] <mwhudson> spiv: and how many changes are pending for lp:bzr/1.14 ?
[00:48] <spiv> lifeless: yeah, that would be good to have!
[00:48] <spiv> mwhudson: none that I know of, BasicOSX would know more but he just quit IRC...
[00:49] <lifeless> mwhudson: basicosx knows
[00:49] <mwhudson> oh hooray
[01:06] <spiv> lifeless: I can't reproduce your SSH auth problem with 1.14
[01:07] <lifeless> spiv: you don't see an explicit username passed to ssh?
[01:07] <spiv> Nope.
[01:07] <lifeless> thats extremely odd
[01:07] <lifeless> I'm presuming you have a host that you need such a config entry on for it to work
[01:07] <spiv> Right.
[01:07] <spiv> (Several :)
[01:08] <spiv> Wild guess: does your ~/.bazaar/authentication.conf accidentally have entries for that host?
[01:10] <mwhudson> fairly terrible, but interesting script for playing with loggerhead memory consumption: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/156842/
[01:10] <lifeless> spiv: no such file
[01:12] <Dejan> ok guys, thanks for help
[01:12] <Dejan> lifeless especially
[01:12] <Dejan> \o/
[01:12] <lifeless> Dejan: anytime
[01:13] <spiv> lifeless: well, I'm out of wild guesses.
[01:14] <spiv> lifeless: I'd look at the code, but I'm pretty sure you've already done that...
[01:14] <lifeless> spiv: I'm hoping vila will
[01:14]  * spiv nods
[01:14] <lifeless> spiv: I just deleted the relevant lines from my local bzr and got on with $primary goal
[01:15] <spiv> lifeless: oh, I see, that patch in your mail is a patch that you'd like reversed?
[01:16] <lifeless> spiv: that would be one way to get it going
[01:16] <lifeless> I don't want to under vila's work though, so I'm leaving it open to him to decide how to reconcile the different needs and goals he has
[01:16]  * spiv nods
[01:17] <lifeless> s/under/undo/
[01:18] <spiv> Is there a bug tag for brisbane-core bugs?
[01:19]  * spiv blinks
[01:19] <spiv> There's now "official bug tags"
[01:28] <spiv> I just set all the tags listed on http://bazaar-vcs.org/BugGuidelines as official on LP, except for those that don't seem to be used.
[01:38] <lifeless> spiv: talk to me about error mapping
[01:39] <lifeless>   File "/home/robertc/source/baz/pending/push.roundtrips/bzrlib/smart/message.py", line 355, in _translate_error
[01:39] <lifeless>     raise errors.ErrorFromSmartServer(error_tuple)
[01:39] <lifeless> ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('FileExists', 'dir')
[01:39] <lifeless> how do I make that raise that actual error
[01:40] <lifeless> is it safe to just extend translate-message?
[01:40] <spiv> lifeless: in remote.py?  Yeah.
[01:40] <lifeless> smart/message.py
[01:41] <spiv> lifeless: hmm
[01:42] <spiv> lifeless: that exception should be ok to do in message.py
[01:42] <lifeless> how can I tell which are and are not
[01:42] <spiv> lifeless: many exceptions need to be translated by remote.py, because they need context (e.g. a Branch object) that message.py doesn't have
[01:43] <spiv> lifeless: although
[01:43] <lifeless> nearly all exceptions (I'd like to make it all) only stringify their args
[01:43] <spiv> lifeless: remote.py already translates FileExists!
[01:43] <lifeless> spiv: the vfs perhaps; I'm calling in from bzrdir.py
[01:44] <spiv> lifeless: (also, remote.py translates some errors that message.py could do, the evolution is incomplete...)
[01:44] <lifeless> I vant to vinish zis damn branch
[01:44] <spiv> lifeless: so shifting the FileExists translation from _translate_error in remote.py to _translate_error in message.py should do what you need.
[01:45] <lifeless> spiv: for now I've just added to message.py
[01:45] <spiv> lifeless: or even duplicating if you like
[01:45] <lifeless> because I don't want to destabilise stuff I'm not working on
[02:24] <mwhudson_> uh
[02:25] <mwhudson_> why would list(branch.iter_merge_sorted_revisions()) be [] for a patently non-empty branch?
[02:27] <mwhudson_> ah because historycache is buggy
[02:34] <magcius> When trying to push to Launchpad, I get this error:
[02:34] <magcius> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ejstpierre/%2Bjunk/its2ass/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not supp
[02:36] <spiv> magcius: you need to run "bzr lp-login jstpierre" (or whatever your username is)
[02:36] <magcius> spiv, bah, okay.
[02:36] <spiv> magcius: (assuming you're using a lp:FOO url?)
[02:42] <magcius> spiv, yeah, thanks, that solved it.
[03:14] <Peng_> mwhudson_: I'm semi-here.
[03:21] <lifeless> spiv: getting there
[03:21] <lifeless>   File "/home/robertc/source/baz/pending/push.roundtrips/bzrlib/tests/bzrdir_implementations/test_bzrdir.py", line 1234, in test_format_initialize_on_transport_ex_stacked_on
[03:21] <lifeless>     repo_format_name=repo_name, stacked_on='../trunk', stack_on_pwd=t.base)
[03:22] <lifeless> ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('error', "jail break: 'bzr://<IP_ADDRESS>:54060/extra/trunk/'")
[03:28] <Peng_> mwhudson_: Thanks for merging my branches. :)
[03:29] <spiv> lifeless: cool
[03:30] <mwhudson_> Peng_: np, thanks for the branches :)
[03:30] <mwhudson_> Peng_: feel free to carry on unifiying things onto the LoggerheadConfig object :)
[03:31] <garyvdm> How can one do graph.iter_ancestry and stop a revision, and be sure that all decedents of that revision have been returned, without the graph having to load the ancestors of the stop revision?
[03:32] <garyvdm> s/stop a rev/stop at a rev...
[03:35] <garyvdm> I want to load the parent_map for a ancestors of list of heads to the lca of those heads.
[03:41] <lifeless> garyvdm: probably you need to modify graph so that you can call lca(heads) and capture the parents
[03:41] <lifeless> garyvdm: but we memoise parents in various ways, so mmm, no quick answer sorry.
[03:42] <garyvdm> lifeless: thanks - I'll look at that.
[03:52] <mwhudson_> hm
[04:00] <garyvdm> lifeless: I fingered out a way: http://pastebin.com/d584a90fb
[05:19] <lifeless> spiv: all implemented, same round trip count :P
[05:19] <lifeless> now to find out why
[05:29] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[05:29] <lifeless>   File "/home/robertc/source/baz/pending/push.roundtrips/bzrlib/transport/__init__.py", line 1361, in _split_url
[05:29] <lifeless>     return urlutils.parse_url(url)
[05:29] <lifeless>   File "/home/robertc/source/baz/pending/push.roundtrips/bzrlib/urlutils.py", line 728, in parse_url
[05:29] <lifeless>     raise errors.InvalidURL('Host empty in: %s' % url)
[05:29] <lifeless> InvalidURL: Invalid url supplied to transport: "Host empty in: file:///tmp/testbzr-hWEuIa.tmp/bzrlib.tests.blackbox.test_push.TestPush.test_push_smart_stacked_streaming_acceptance/work/local/"
[05:30] <spiv> lifeless: weird.
[05:31] <spiv> lifeless: I haven't seen that sort of traceback before.
[05:32] <lifeless> so
[05:32] <lifeless> I the host is empty
[05:32] <lifeless> but why does parse_url /care/
[05:33] <spiv> Yeah, I've no idea why it cares, or why you'd suddenly bump into that.
[05:33] <lifeless> I'm bumping into that because our push test stacks on a local path
[05:33] <lifeless> it stacks [over there] on ../local
[05:34]  * fullermd just got bit by that add-local-username-to-url thingy   :(
[05:34] <lifeless> fullermd: reply to the thread then please
[05:34] <lifeless> fullermd: or perhaps turn it into a bug
[05:34] <lifeless> and assign to vila
[05:34] <lifeless> :)
[05:34] <fullermd> Oh, man, is THAT what happens to you when you log off IRC?
[05:34]  * fullermd sets up a cron job...
[05:35] <lifeless> spiv: as soon as I wired up BzrDirFormat.initialize_ex to forward to RemoteBzrDirFormat.initialize_ex when there is a smart transport I triggered that
[05:35] <lifeless> spiv:
[05:35] <lifeless> AssertionError: Incorrect length: wanted 18, got 11 for [BzrDir.open, BzrDirFormat.initialize_ex, BzrDir.open, Repository.lock_write, Repository.insert_stream, Repository.insert_stream, BzrDir.create_branch, Branch.lock_write, Branch.set_last_revision_info, Branch.unlock, Branch.get_stacked_on_url]
[05:37] <spiv> lifeless: nice
[05:37] <lifeless> there is an issue
[05:37] <lifeless> we can't upgrade without doing a jailbreak
[05:37] <spiv> Really?  Why's that?
[05:38] <lifeless> consider:
[05:38] <lifeless> local is pack-0.92
[05:38] <lifeless> remote has a stacking policy pointing at $third-party
[05:39] <lifeless> our current rule says 'upgrade if the thing pointed at is stackable'
[05:39] <lifeless> but we can't examine it
[05:40] <lifeless> I could error with the policy details I guess
[05:40] <lifeless> but I'm going to punt and do the old hardcoded formats number in this case
[05:41] <spiv> *nod*
[05:42] <lifeless> (oh and the client can't examine for us, because the policy is found by the server)
[06:06] <lifeless> [06:06] <lifeless> --- bzrlib/tests/blackbox/test_push.py  2009-04-22 02:36:23 +0000
[06:06] <lifeless> +++ bzrlib/tests/blackbox/test_push.py  2009-04-24 04:58:12 +0000
[06:06] <lifeless> @@ -201,7 +201,7 @@
[06:06] <lifeless>          # being too low. If rpc_count increases, more network roundtrips have
[06:06] <lifeless>          # become necessary for this use case. Please do not adjust this number
[06:06] <lifeless>          # upwards without agreement from bzr's network support maintainers.
[06:06] <lifeless> -        self.assertLength(18, self.hpss_calls)
[06:06] <lifeless> +        self.assertLength(11, self.hpss_calls)
[06:06] <lifeless>
[06:06] <lifeless>      def test_push_smart_stacked_streaming_acceptance(self):
[06:06] <lifeless>          self.setup_smart_server_with_call_log()
[06:06] <lifeless> @@ -217,7 +217,7 @@
[06:06] <lifeless>          # being too low. If rpc_count increases, more network roundtrips have
[06:06] <lifeless>          # become necessary for this use case. Please do not adjust this number
[06:06] <lifeless>          # upwards without agreement from bzr's network support maintainers.
[06:06] <lifeless> -        self.assertLength(22, self.hpss_calls)
[06:06] <lifeless> +        self.assertLength(18, self.hpss_calls)
[06:06] <lifeless>          remote = Branch.open('public')
[06:06] <lifeless>          self.assertEndsWith(remote.get_stacked_on_url(), '/parent')
[06:06] <lifeless> spiv: ^ woo
[06:09] <spiv> Woo!
[06:10] <spiv> lifeless: nice work
[06:10] <lifeless> theres now a low hanging fruit of one more
[06:11] <lifeless> the possibly two
[06:11] <lifeless> the BzrDirFormat.initialize_ex, BzrDir.open, Repository.lock_write,
[06:11] <lifeless> second and third elements in that sequence
[06:11] <spiv> Yeah.
[06:11] <lifeless> I've sent it up for review
[06:11] <lifeless> schlepping it off to amazon in a second
[06:34] <lifeless> spiv: small number of failures, will clean up post review/monday
[06:34] <lifeless> spiv: I started early today, going to head into the city soon
[09:01] <AnAnt> Hello, I got several packages hosted in the same branch: lp:sabily-artwork
[09:01] <AnAnt> is it possible to migrate each package to a separate branch, keeping along the history ?
[09:11] <thumper> I wonder if the split command does that
[09:13] <Peng_> That's what the split command is for. Whether it's safe to use is another question.
[09:16] <AnAnt> how ?
[09:16] <Peng_> AnAnt: bzr help split :D
[09:16] <Peng_> But you might have to upgrade the branches to an experimental format.
[09:17] <AnAnt> it says : bzr split tree
[09:17] <AnAnt> ok, I'll look at it
[09:17] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:25] <jelmer> thumper: hi
[09:26] <thumper> hi jelmer
[09:26] <jelmer> thumper: So, current bzr-git trunk should now work with bzr 1.14 proper
[09:26] <thumper> fantastic
[09:26] <thumper> how does that relate to dulwich?
[09:27] <thumper> does that matter?
[09:27] <thumper> or do we just take tip?
[09:27] <jelmer> You'll need the tip from dulwich as well
[09:27] <thumper> cool
[09:27] <thumper> I'll look to get it into LP ASAP
[09:33] <MvG> Hi! Is there some huma readable specification or documentation of the bzr smart protocol?
[09:34] <MvG> In particular, does the command allow removal of stuff like a bzr.backup directory from the remote file system?
[09:34] <MvG> Because I've upgraded a remote repo once, and trying to upgrade yet again via bzr fails as bzr.backup already exists, and removing that dir fails as ssh access is restricted to the bzr server.
[09:34] <Peng_> MvG: Sure, it supports VFS access, so you can do whatever you want.
[09:35] <MvG> VFS = virtual file system? Virtualized by whom?
[09:35] <Peng_> MvG: bzr
[09:35] <Peng_> MvG: It might be easier to use hitchhiker (sort of like a CLI FTP client, only for the bzr smart protocol) https://launchpad.net/hitchhiker
[09:36] <MvG> Sounds good. Will have a look.
[09:39] <MvG> Yes, that's exactly the tool I needed. Thanks ever so much!
[09:41] <thumper> there is a bug about the upgrade dirs
[09:41] <thumper> the upgrade command should be able to remove old backup dirs
[09:41] <MvG> Would make sense.
[09:41] <MvG> At least if it were sufficiently sure the upgrade went well and could be reverted if need be.
[09:41] <MvG> s/reverted/reversed/
[09:41] <mwhudson> thumper, jelmer: yay
[09:42] <thumper> hi mwhudson
[09:42] <thumper> mwhudson: do you want to do the honours?
[09:43] <thumper> mwhudson: if not, I'll get abentley or rockstar to
[09:43] <thumper> when they start their day
[09:44] <MvG> BTW: I've got two merge requests waiting in BB. So if anyone dev around here feels bored, I would appreciate votes on those.
[09:44] <MvG> I'll accept comments evenm from non-devs. :-)
[09:44] <mwhudson> thumper: not really at this time on a friday night
[09:44] <thumper> mwhudson: I guessed as much :)
[09:46] <Peng_> Whatwhat?
[09:47] <thumper> what?
[09:49]  * Peng_ babbles incoherently and falls asleep
[10:29] <poolie> the bzr wiki is having some trouble; IS is working on it
[10:32] <garyvdm> Hi - is it possible to ignore a file in a branch, with out committing a change to the branch? I.e. I want the ignore to only be for my copy of the branch.
[12:06] <g0ph3r> garyvdm: regarding your earlier question: AFAIK you can configure a global ignore list in your bzr settings. ("global" in this case means that you do configure it for all of _your_ branches, and that this is not visible to others)
[12:07] <g0ph3r> i don't know if this is the best way, though
[12:27] <ignas> hi
[12:27] <ignas> is there a way to find a commit in a shared repository?
[12:28] <ignas> bzr rebase messed up the history of my branch and I have a lost commit now somewhere
[12:28] <ignas> that I would like to recover
[12:32]  * SamB mumbles something about --heads
[12:33] <hmeland> ignas: I think "bzr heads" from bzrtools can help.
[12:33] <SamB> oh, is that what it was
[12:34]  * SamB knew there was a reason he was mumbling
[12:34] <ignas> i am not sure it will help me now... because I have performed a bunch of operations to recover the state on the branch
[12:35] <garyvdm> ignas: bzr heads --dead
[12:35] <garyvdm> find the revid of the head you want
[12:35] <SamB> as long as none of them involved garbage collection, you should be fine
[12:36] <garyvdm> bzr pull . -r revid:... --overwrite
[12:36] <SamB> (garbage collection of the repository, that is ;-)
[12:37] <garyvdm> SamB: the only way to do that with bzr is to create a new repository, branch, and delete the old one.
[12:37]  * SamB thought there was some command for it in bzr.dev
[12:37] <garyvdm> Oh
[12:38] <SamB> I could be wrong
[12:38] <mwhudson> i think there's a plugin somewhere or something
[12:39] <ignas> SubversionException: ('Unable to open an ra_local session to URL', 180001)
[12:39] <ignas> ouch
[12:40] <SamB> ignas: what URL ?
[12:40] <ignas> don't know
[12:40] <SamB> ouch
[12:41] <ignas> the message is not giving any
[12:41]  * SamB wonders where jelmer is
[12:41] <SamB> you should report it as a bug on subvertpy, I think, that the URL isn't in the message anywhere
[12:43] <ignas> first - find the commit and make another release, sorry
[12:43] <ignas> will do while waiting for PPA to build a package ;)
[12:56] <ignas> Samb, hmeland, GaryvdM: thanks, that worked
[12:58] <SamB> ignas: what'd I do besides mumble misleading information and attempt to reassure you that your commit was probably still there?
[12:58] <ignas> SamB: on further review, probably not much ;)
[12:59] <ignas> but still, being a part of the community counts ;)
[13:02] <ignas> how do I only merge last 2 revisions from a branch?
[13:04] <GaryvdM> bzr merge -r ..-2
[13:04] <GaryvdM> or bzr merge -r -2..
[13:04] <GaryvdM> I can never remember which way
[13:04] <ignas> -2.. remove most of the changes from the checkout
[13:05] <ignas> and ..-2 still includes changes from earlier
[13:09] <GaryvdM> bzr merge -r -1..-2 ?
[13:10] <thumper> that'll do a reverse merge (I think)
[13:10] <thumper> it will apply the reverse of -2..-1
[13:13] <ignas> yeah, though if I want 2 last revisions it seems i have to do -3..-1
[13:57] <xiaohui> lifeless, is there a default ssh login name for using *bzr push bzr+ssh://bazzar.lauchpad.net/~MY_LAUNCHPADID/PROJECT/name*
[13:58] <xiaohui> When I use it , it shows me that Permission denied
[13:59] <james_w> your local username is the default
[14:00] <james_w> you can do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:00] <james_w> if you do "bzr lp-login MY_LAUNCHPADID" and the do "bzr push lp:~MY_LAUNCHPADID/PROJECT/name" it should work
[14:06] <xiaohui> I am behind the firewall
[14:06] <xiaohui> james_W, I have to use the URL for push and pull
[14:14] <xiaohui> james_w, It works now,thank you
[14:25] <phinze> hmm on bzr switch --force of a lightweight checkout to a completely different branch, i get "Conflict: can't delete features because it is not empty.  Not deleting."
[14:25] <phinze> any way i can tell bzr "yes yes just nuke this copy and make it like that branch"
[14:26] <phinze> rm -rf + bzr resolve is my best solution currently; just wondering if there's something i can do up front that's faster
[14:27] <phinze> and perhaps those here would know if maybe at the end of the day it would be faster just to kill the lw-checkout and make it again
[14:27] <phinze> rather than switching
[14:40] <ignas> don't know really, not using lw checkouts since I found out that a simple checkout is actually faster to do with my connection
[14:41] <ignas> lw checkout saves bandwith (for me - only a bit), but takes longer
[14:41] <jml> lifeless: I've upgraded the tribunal branch anyway.
[14:42] <ignas> and if you are working on more than one branch - shared repository will take less time and bandwith than 2 lightweight checkouts
[14:42] <ignas> at least for me
[14:54] <xiaohui> when I push to lp it returned the *pipe broken ERROR*
[14:55] <xiaohui> and the connection is closed by remote host
[14:56] <xiaohui> what should I do then?
[15:12] <poolie> xiaohui: maybe your ssh key is not registered with launchpad
[15:15] <xiaohui> poolie, I have put my ssh public key to the launchpad
[15:16] <xiaohui> and the progress showed that has push 2/5
[15:18] <xiaohui> I use bzr push again, it directly come to 2/5 amd stoped
[15:35] <max_r> I have question about bzr
[15:35] <max_r> I dir bzr branch lp:aa, did bzr pull for some time
[15:36] <max_r> the commited local changes and it forces me to do bzr merge && bzr ci -m"merged" all the time
[15:36] <max_r> as far as I understand git allows simply use git pull even after local changes get commited, with forcing merge only on conflicts
[15:37] <max_r> could  I get same beheaviour for bzr?
[15:43] <james_w> max_r: not currently, no
[15:43] <rockstar> thumper, did you get your review?
[15:48] <max_r> james_w: is it planned? quite bad that simple operations takes twice as much steps
[15:49] <james_w> I don't know of anybody working on it
[15:50] <max_r> james_w: as I understand it is more UI problem than problem of repository or other low level stuff? I saw UI redesign planning for 2.0. Is it finalized yet?
[15:51] <james_w> UI redesign is planned for 3.0
[15:51] <james_w> I don't think adding an option to make it do that is something that requires a UI redesign though
[15:52] <max_r> and what is approximate eta for 3.0?
[15:52] <max_r> In bzr help pull I see:
[15:52] <max_r>   If branches have diverged, you can use 'bzr merge' to integrate the changes
[15:52] <max_r>   from one into the other.  Once one branch has merged, the other should
[15:52] <max_r>   be able to pull it again.
[15:52] <max_r> It seems rather strange
[15:52] <james_w> 3.0 in a 9 months or something
[15:52] <max_r> I merged branches, but I couldn't pull any more
[15:52] <james_w> I don't know if a timeline has been decided
[15:53] <james_w> after the merge you will be able to pull the other way
[15:54] <max_r> seen now "bzr merge --pull" what it does?
[15:54] <james_w> that doesn't do what you want
[15:54] <james_w> that will fast-forward where possible, which is another thing that "git pull" does that "bzr merge" doesn't
[15:55] <max_r> I need something like "bzr merge --commit-if-no-conflicts", right?
[15:55] <james_w> yep
[15:55] <max_r> could it be done as plugin?
[15:55] <james_w> yep
[15:55] <max_r> is relativly hard?
[15:55] <max_r> or easy?
[15:56] <james_w> shouldn't be too hard
[15:57] <max_r> is there any simple sample plugin to base on?
[15:57] <james_w> actually, it may not be that easy in a plugin
[15:58] <max_r> why? It looks easy as bash script, just running "bzr merge && bzr ci -m 'merged'" with some error checking on the first step to see if there was conflicts
[16:01] <james_w> because you don't want to open the objects more than once
[16:01] <james_w> and you don't want the tree to be modified between the merge and commit
[16:02] <james_w> that's probably the basic thing that is needed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157278/
[16:02] <james_w> it needs tests and polish though
[16:03] <max_r> any chance it go into 1.15?
[16:04] <max_r> and what is more correct "pull --merge-if-needed" or "merge --commit-if-no-conflicts"?
[16:06] <james_w> that patch won't go in 1.15
[16:07] <james_w> a better version could if it passed review
[16:07] <james_w> and those two commands mean different things
[16:09] <max_r> james_w: could you please explain difference?
[16:10] <james_w> whether pull does something when the branches have diverged, or tells you to use merge is different to whether the a merge will commit if there are no conflicts
[16:11] <james_w> and the first option is already there, it's just spelt "merge --pull" instead of "pull --merge"
[16:12] <max_r> and how "pull --merge-if-needed" ("merge --pull" in bzr language) differs from "get all changes from that branch, and apply it locally" which as I understand is "merge --commit"
[16:13] <max_r> ?
[16:14] <james_w> pull means "make my branch the same as that one"
[16:14] <james_w> which doesn't work if you have diverged
[16:15] <james_w> merge means "merge my changes with theirs"
[16:15] <james_w> and when you do that you end up with something new, so you may want to check it before you commit, as the merge can't do everything
[16:15] <max_r> got it, i thought pull means "pull all changes from that branch"
[16:15] <james_w> nope
[16:16] <james_w> "pull" is different in git and bzr
[16:16] <max_r> which is quite confusing
[16:25] <MvG> I hope I don't start to annoy you yet, but I'm again trying to interest devs into reviewing my two open merge requests, related to reconfigure and bug 248932. Anyone willing to have a look? I'd like to get this off my head.
[19:33] <AnAnt> which is better way to use bzr:
[19:34] <AnAnt> 1) bzr co <URL> , do some changes, bzr ci
[19:34] <AnAnt> or 2) bzr branch <URL> , changes, bzr ci, changes bzr ci , .. , bzr push  ?
[19:35] <james_w> AnAnt: I prefer 2, but they are equally valid
[20:21] <AnAnt> james_w: ok
[20:25] <AnAnt> I tried bzr split, but I don't think it works
[20:25] <AnAnt> I have 3 packages in the same bzr branch
[20:26] <AnAnt> I want to have separate branches for each package, yet I want to keep the bzr history of each package, is that possible ?
[20:26] <james_w> split would be the way to do it, but it may not do what you expect
[20:26] <james_w> it will keep the full history in each branch
[20:28] <AnAnt> how ?
[20:28] <AnAnt> I just done this: bzr split <packageone>
[20:28] <AnAnt> then cd <packageone>
[20:28] <AnAnt> bzr push file:///tmp/test
[20:28] <AnAnt> I got this: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:
[20:31] <AnAnt> oh, I got an error actually when I do a bzr split:
[20:31] <AnAnt> bzr: ERROR: To use this feature you must upgrade your branch at file:///tmp/sabily-keyring/.
[20:33] <james_w> ah
[20:33] <james_w> not that helpful of a message
[20:33] <james_w> "bzr upgrade --default-rich-root" is probably what you want
[20:34] <AnAnt> k
[20:38] <AnAnt> ok, cool
[20:39] <AnAnt> btw, there's no --default-rich-root option
[20:39] <AnAnt> I used --rich-root-pack
[20:47] <BasicOSX> ja1: Bug 355238 really set to Milestone 1.14rc2?
[20:47] <ja1> BasicOSX: I'm pretty sure the bug listed there was fixed for the rc2
[20:48] <BasicOSX> thanks for quick response, research further
[20:48] <jam> BasicOSX: rev 4250 on bzr.1.14
[20:48] <jam> 4250 Canonical.com Patch Queue Manager 2009-04-19 [merge]
[20:48] <jam>      (jam) Tweaks to the new --dev6-rich-root format support.
[20:48] <jam> 4251 Canonical.com Patch Queue Manager 2009-04-19 [merge]
[20:48] <jam>      (tanner) prepare-1.14rc2
[20:49] <jam> at least according to *my* branch of 1.14, my patch landed before rc2
[20:49] <AnAnt> hmmm, problem with splitting, is that I can't revert to older revisions !
[20:49]  * BasicOSX blinks
[20:49] <BasicOSX> Who needs search when you have jam ! :-)
[20:49] <AnAnt> oh, I ccan
[20:50] <AnAnt> ok, thanks !
[20:51] <jam> well, as i just did the searches myself, I knew where to look
[21:51] <dereine> hi, i want to use bazaar together with a "checkout" on ftp, how can i do this


[11:56] <xaka> why "stop" would hang?
[11:56] <xaka> start works, tracking PID is corret, when i do stop the process finishes succesfully, but the command itself hangs
[13:14] <jodh> xaka: what does "initctl status <job>" show? maybe you 'post-stop' is still running?
[13:16] <xaka> i don't have post-stop. after some time i stopped it by Ctrl+C. status is "stop/killed, pid ...". then i tried to start it again and even start hanged
[13:18] <jodh> xaka: can you show me the conf file?
[13:21] <xaka> jodh: http://pastebin.com/nMV1s7YD
[13:23] <jodh> xaka: firstly, you need to be careful with those pre-start commands since if any fail, the job will not run. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#develop-scripts-using-bin-sh
[13:24] <xaka> jodh: i understand, but that pre-start is the only solution for my case that i was talking about yesterday here
[13:24] <jodh> xaka: are you sure that Upstart is tracking the pid correctly? Does "nms" definately fork only once?
[13:25] <xaka> it starts with no issues, after that "status" shows correct PID
[13:25] <xaka> it even stops the process, but "stop" command doesn't finish
[13:26] <xaka> jodh: i have the simple script that you can use to reproduce the situation, let me paste it
[13:28] <xaka> jodh: http://pastebin.com/jityDGxg ( don't ask why it's been written in this way :) )
[13:32] <xaka> jodh: btw, are you going to add support for dependencies like SMF has? i was talking/complaing about it yesterday. i want to say that B depends on A so when B is started and A isn't running yet, A has to be started first.
[13:33] <xaka> that is the only reason i have that pre-start hook - i don't want (and i haven't) to modify ntp/mongodb conf files, but i still want to be sure that the services are running
[13:43] <jodh> xaka: the problem is that your perl script is attempting to "manage" the service by killing the child. However, you've told Upstart that the child PID *is* the service so Upstart is tracking the forked child process. Either remove the "expect fork" or stop the perl script from killing the child - Upstart will do that for you as it kills the process group.
[13:52] <xaka> jodh: the wrapper doesn't kill the child (those INT/TERM handles only for developers). the simple is chain is: fork->exec->waitpid
[13:53] <xaka> btw, does the upstart kill the process group of forked child or the parent?
[13:53] <jodh> xaka: please see my comments above.
[21:25] <kevmo> How can you tell upstart to get the pid from a pid file on the stop command


[01:06] <DavidReza> Hi everybody, I need some help. I have installed several kernels (because of updates and so) and whenever I try to load Ubuntu with those kernels, I always get te screen as if I had pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1, so I can see all the outputs of the instructions being executed until I see some kind of error saying: nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out'. After that, my laptop just seems like if it was in standby
[01:08] <DavidReza> and I can never use the recent kernels. I always got to enter with the 2.6.25 kernel
[01:09] <ohsix> that sounds like the X server isn't starting, could be drivers or user configuration or just plain broken stuff
[01:09] <ohsix> if you're using an X driver that's had UMS removed and you're disabling KMS on the kernel commandline that can happen too
[01:12] <DavidReza> ohsix, as I don't think it can be something about my configuration, because I can use this other 2.6.25 kernel, don't you think?
[01:13] <DavidReza> about this UMS thing removed and disabling KMS, I don't really know what you are tlaking about =/
[01:13] <ohsix> video driver features change between kernel versions
[01:19] <DavidReza> Look, here's the thing. Since I wanted to install Ubuntu by first time. My display gone black. I tried several times to install Ubuntu, until I found that the DVD was working, but my display wasn't. I used an external display, installed Ubuntu, and installed the nVidia private drivers. That way I could enter Ubuntu in my own display. I could never use the nouveau drivers, and yesterday I was told about how to make nouveau work on my laptop. Th
[01:19] <DavidReza> ere is a guide I'm following, and I need this 2.6.38rc8 kernel. I have already installed it. But I couldnt enter with thtat kernel. BUT because I was having some problems with my nVidia drivers, I decided to open a virtual TTY (Ctrl+Alt+F2) and reinstalled my nVidia drivers. I just reboot and I could finally enter with this new kernel! What I want to really know, is what is this happening?
[01:20] <DavidReza> why is this happening*
[01:22] <ohsix> nouveau should be blacklisted if it doesn't work on your device, then plain vesa would be used and you still get a display; if you install the nvidia drivers manually it's all up in the air, you should use the packaged version or (assuming it actually boots without the nvidia stuff around on a clean install) jockey, which will offer to do it for you on first boot
[01:23] <DavidReza> Actually nouveau WAS blacklisted
[01:23] <ohsix> then vesa should have at least given you something :\
[01:24] <ohsix> do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[01:24] <DavidReza> yeah, but I assume it will have information about nVidia
[01:25] <ohsix> if so, paste its contents to paste.ubuntu.org, or try and summarize its contents
[01:25] <DavidReza> by the way, what did you mean with jockey?
[01:25] <ohsix> right, afaik; most of the automatic magic (including picking vesa as the lowest common denominator) depends on certain sections not being defined in xorg.conf
[01:26] <DavidReza> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357486/
[01:26] <ohsix> the "Additional Drivers" applet in system -> administration, it's name is jockey, and if there are drivers available from a 3rd party for a device, it will show up in your notification area telling you about it on first boot with something like "Additional drivers for your hardware are available"
[01:27] <DavidReza> oh, I get it.. yes, I was told there was a privative driver from nVidia, I also tried that one, but didn't work
[01:27] <ohsix> ok, that config would constrain that busid to only that driver, so nv, nouveau or vesa wouldn't work automatically with it present
[01:28] <DavidReza> ok, let me see if Im getting this...
[01:29] <DavidReza> when I install a new Kernel, it expects to use vesa, nouveau or nv, and since I have my xorg.conf with nvidia, it fails?
[01:30] <ohsix> the kernel doesn't expect anything, but since yuo're not using the distro packages for the nvidia drivers it isn't rebuilt automatically for new kernels, so when you switch the kernel side of the nvidia driver isn't present
[01:30] <ohsix> you could uninstall the nvidia blob, rm the xorg.conf, install the distro package and it should work for kernel version changes
[01:32] <DavidReza> sorry, english is not my native language, what you mean with "install the distro package" ? Which package?
[01:33] <DavidReza> Actually that's what I wanted. Install the nouveau driver and make it work. That's why I need this kernel. I just wanted to know why this happened
[01:33] <ohsix> one moment
[01:33] <DavidReza> you alaready told me the answer, hehe
[01:33] <ohsix> you shouldn't have to install nouveau; if it can work it will work with no xorg.conf present iirc
[01:35] <DavidReza> What will work with no xorg.conf? The kernels?
[01:35] <ohsix> picking the appropriate driver automatically, so X starts with at least one of them
[01:36] <DavidReza> ohh
[01:37] <DavidReza> but I assume it won't use the nvidia one..right?
[01:37] <DavidReza> and nouveau is blacklisted, so it will use vesa
[01:38] <ohsix> it could, i don't know; i don't have an nvidia card in anything with ubuntu on it, if you currently have a working display, just start the "Additional Drivers" applet and tell it to install the nvidia drivers
[01:38] <DavidReza> even when I have installed manually the drivers from nvidia.com?
[01:39] <ohsix> sure, it will just overwrite them
[01:39] <DavidReza> ok
[01:39] <DavidReza> I'm gonna try that
[01:39] <ohsix> with basically the same driver, but one that is known by the package manager, and will rebuild kernel parts when a new kernel is installed; thus be expected to work
[01:40] <DavidReza> I will also remove nouveau from the blacklist
[01:40] <DavidReza> oh.. so this will work when I install new kernel versions?
[01:40] <DavidReza> not now?
[01:40] <ohsix> if the blacklist isn't something you added you should probably leave it alone; the things that come with the distro know what devices it's safe to run them on
[01:41] <ohsix> it should rebuild it for all your kernels when you install it; i just meant in the future, when another kernel is installed
[01:41] <DavidReza> the thing is that nouveua got blacklisted when I installed the nVidia drivers mannually
[01:42] <ohsix> i see, then it should probably be removed; but if you use jockey it will be using the nvidia drivers, if you want to try nouveau; you'll need to uninstall the manually installed drivers, the xorg.conf and whatever blacklists it added
[01:42] <DavidReza> ok
[01:43] <DavidReza> if I want to try the additional drivers, you told me they will remove the nvidia drvers I installed, but.. should I remove the xorg.conf?
[01:43] <ohsix> yes, remove xorg.conf
[01:43] <DavidReza> ok
[01:43] <DavidReza> I really appreciate you help
[01:44] <DavidReza> uhm,.. I got another question
[01:45] <DavidReza> Why is this nohup message appearing? I realized that when I'm inside Ubuntu, and pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1, it takes mee to the black screen with the messages at the beginning and the last line is the same one
[01:46] <DavidReza> nohup : ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out'
[01:46] <ohsix> those are messages from the boot scripts, i don't know of any package in particular that uses nohup, so i can't point directly to what it is
[01:47] <DavidReza> I got confused because that means this error is always in there, even when I could enter in the X server
[01:47] <ohsix> nohup just detaches the ran program from the terminal so it isn't killed when the terminal is closed, if you could find the nohup.out file, it'll contain program output messages and you might be able to infer what is doing it
[01:47] <DavidReza> yeha, I already know that
[01:48] <DavidReza> the file contains like 1 million (It never finishes loading)
[01:48] <DavidReza> with the instruction cat /sys/class/backlight/acpi/sony/brigthness
[01:49] <DavidReza> and saying the file couldn't been founded
[01:50] <DavidReza> I DO know that has relation with the fact the brightness doesn't work
[01:50] <ohsix> ah, i can't say much about that
[01:51] <DavidReza> ok, thank you anyway, I learned something else today
[01:51] <DavidReza> thank you very much ohsix
[01:51] <DavidReza> I'm gonna try few things with the drivers and the kernel
[01:51] <michael_lf> Hi, folks, I want to install Fjalar(which is under Valgrind) into my Unbuntu 10.10(with glibc version 2.12.x), but the tools  only support glibc(2.0~2.10), then I donot know how to solve this? anyone who can provide an help?
[01:51] <DavidReza> see you
[06:10] <serious__sam> hey guys when will kernel 2.6.37 with scheduler patch will be available on ubuntu?
[07:44] <fairuz> Hi, morning. Can't we do 2 kernel compilation in parallel? It seems to me just one compilation progress and the other freezes until the other one finishes.
[07:48] <jjohansen> fairuz: sure you can compile 2 kernels in parallel
[07:48] <fairuz> jjohansen: it's my PC then
[07:49] <jjohansen> fairuz: the ubuntu kernel build scripts do take advantage of machine parallelism by default
[07:49] <jjohansen> ie. fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic will launch make -j N_CPUs
[07:50] <fairuz> jjohansen: I'm using a remote cross compilator, maybe it slows things a bit
[07:50] <jjohansen> so what you are seeing is probably the build scripts already taking advantage of your system resources
[07:50] <jjohansen> yes
[07:52] <fairuz> jjohansen: all kernel sources are in /usr/src?
[07:54] <jjohansen> fairuz: if you install the kernel-source and linux-headers packages that is where they are placed
[07:54] <jjohansen> if you get the sources via git then, its where ever you put your git tree
[07:58] <fairuz> jjohansen: understood. But yesterday I tried to use a function defined in one of the kernel files (cache-l2x0.c) to be exact, but during compilation it says the function is undefined. What should I do to be able to use the functions?
[08:00] <fairuz> I use this command make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- -C ../kernel-seb M=$(PWD) modules .... where ../kernel-seb is a clone of a git tree
[08:00] <fairuz> Anything special to make it work?
[08:00] <jjohansen> fairuz: so your building a module, is the function exported?
[08:01] <fairuz> jjohansen: Sorry, how should I know if it's exported?
[08:03] <fairuz> jjohansen: in the header file, there is no prototype of the functions. So I just do extern thefunction() in my module.
[08:03] <jjohansen> fairuz: for a symbol to be usable by modules that aren't built into the kernel they must be exported using the EXPORT_SYMBOL or EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL macros
[08:03] <jjohansen> extern is not enough
[08:05] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok. So in the cache-l2x0.c file, I should see something like EXPORT_SYMBOL thefunction() if the function is exported?
[08:05] <jjohansen> right, eg. EXPORT_SYMBOL(posix_unblock_lock);
[08:06] <fairuz> jjohansen: If that's not the case, is there any way to use the function? Do I need to build the module into the kernel?
[08:07] <jjohansen> fairuz: you either need to build it into the kernel, patch the kernel to export the function, or find an indirect way to invoke what you want
[08:07] <fairuz> Or can I just hack the file and export the function myself, then rebuild the kernel?
[08:07] <jjohansen> yep
[08:07] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok, as I thought.
[08:10] <fairuz> jjohansen: hmm.. old kernel source can't be downloaded on launchpad? https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/trunk/+buildjob/2114099
[08:10] <lifeless> not from ppas
[08:10] <lifeless> too much churn, too much disk
[08:11] <jjohansen> fairuz: if you want the old source use the git tree
[08:11] <jjohansen> you can checkout arbitrary points after a kernel release
[08:12] <jjohansen> before the kernel release, rebasing against upstream is used so you may not be able to replicate alpha and beta release kernels
[08:12] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok, i have to find the omap4 git tree first :D
[08:15] <jjohansen> fairuz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelGitGuide?action=show&redirect=KernelTeam%2FKernelGitGuide
[08:15] <fairuz> .35 is maverick?
[08:16] <jjohansen> fairuz: in the natty tree its the ti-omap4 branch
[08:16] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok thanks!
[08:16] <jjohansen> fairuz: looks to be the same in the maverick tree
[08:18] <fairuz> jjohansen: differences between natty and maverick? kernel version?
[08:19] <jjohansen> fairuz: maverick is 2.6.35 based kernel for a release distro, natty 2.6.38 based kernel for release that is about to go into beta
[08:19] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok
[08:19] <jjohansen> fairuz: with that said the omap4 topic branch may differ more than the rest of the kernel
[08:20] <jjohansen> it actually may even be based on another kernel version, /me is not sure of its current state
[08:21] <jjohansen> I know at least one of our arm branches was based on a different kernel version than the rest of the distro
[08:22] <fairuz> jjohansen: Right now, I'm using .35 on my board and it works well. I will try to compile and see if it boots well too or not
[08:23] <jjohansen> fairuz: yeah omap seems to be fairly well supported, TI has been fairly good about pushing patches upstream
[08:23] <fairuz> jjohansen: I tried .38, but it's kinda weird. Sometime it boots sometime it not.
[08:24] <jjohansen> fairuz: well .38 just got released so if you tried before that then you were using an RC which tend to be buggy, /me expects we will get a .38.1 or .38.2 before natty is released, with even more bug fixes
[08:25] <jjohansen> but if .35 is working for you there is no reason to move to .38 unless there is a specific feature you need that .35 lacks
[08:26] <fairuz> jjohansen: in fact there is. Things like Perf tool on ARM is not fully supported in .35
[08:26] <fairuz> jjohansen: since I tried .38 and it's not very stable. I just thought to patch .35
[08:26] <fairuz> at least I know .35 works
[08:26] <jjohansen> fairuz: ah, then I would try .35 make sure your build is working etc, and then try on .38
[08:28] <jjohansen> basically I think you want to stick with a known working kernel but it doesn't hurt to try .38, from time to time to see if its stablized for you
[08:28] <fairuz> jjohansen: yes
[08:29] <fairuz> jjohansen: I cloned about four .38 tree before coming to that conclusion too :D
[08:30] <fairuz> linaro tree, official tree, TI internal tree etc
[08:30] <jjohansen> fairuz: ah, which board?  Panda? /me thought that was supposed to be fairly stable
[08:32] <fairuz> jjohansen: yes panda. It's fairly stable but sometimes it does give me some problems (doesn't boot, sometimes giving kernel messages in the serial port etc)
[08:33] <fairuz> jjohansen: Maybe it's me who don't do things right.
[08:34] <jjohansen> fairuz: hrmmm, well maybe but I doubt it, there has been a lot of churn in the kernel
[09:50] <fairuz> jjohansen: i cloned maverick tree but I dont found any omap4-ti branch
[09:51] <fairuz> jjohansen: I can just build it on master branch?
[09:57] <jjohansen> fairuz: you need to clone the branch locally too
[09:58] <fairuz> jjohansen: oh git clone does not take all the branches>
[09:58] <fairuz> ?
[09:58] <jjohansen> git checkout --track -b ti-omap4 origin/ti-omap4
[09:58] <jjohansen> use that in your git tree
[09:59] <jjohansen> it will create a local ti-omap4 branch that tracks the remote origin ti-omap4 branch
[09:59] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok
[09:59] <jjohansen> if you use git remote show origin, it will list off which branches are remote, or tracked
[10:00] <jjohansen> oh and when you are building make sure you are in the correct branch
[10:00] <jjohansen> git branch
[10:01] <jjohansen> will tell you if you are on the ti-omap4 branch
[10:01] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok cool. ty
[10:01] <jjohansen> and git checkout <branch name> will let you switch branches
[10:01] <fairuz> jjohansen: i'll try to compile now
[10:04] <fairuz> jjohansen: for each branch, they can have different tag if I do git tag, or it's the same
[10:05] <jjohansen> fairuz: err sort of, tags are just names for sha-1 hashes
[10:05] <fairuz> jjohansen: do I have to pull tags for ti-omap4 branch?
[10:06] <jjohansen> fairuz: no
[10:06] <fairuz> jjohansen: ok
[10:35] <fairuz> Can I specify the kernel name before compilation so I will not get something like <IP_ADDRESS>-00029-gc0381cb?
[10:35] <fairuz> Since I already have the headers for 2.6.35-980-omap4, I would like my newly compiled kernel to have the same name
[12:08] <fairuz> Can I specify the kernel name before compilation so I will not get something like <IP_ADDRESS>-00029-gc0381cb? Since I already have the headers for 2.6.35-980-omap4, I would like my newly compiled kernel to have the same name
[12:54] <guampa> hello people, quick q regarding make-kpkg
[12:54] <guampa> after a couple runs it started appending some kind of serial at the end of the kernel and debs names
[12:55] <guampa> its not the --append-to-version string i added, (it adds it too before the serial)
[12:55] <guampa> i end up with some rather cumbersome naming for the kernel and packages, how can i disable it or find some info about it?
[13:15] <fairuz> guampa: Are you searching to rename the Kernel name? me too =(
[13:16] <guampa> asking now in #debian, wish me luck!
[13:16] <fairuz> guampa: if you have some answers, care to share it here :D
[13:22] <guampa> no luck :(
[13:22] <guampa> my uname -r and debs are all 2.6.38-customstring-06603-g10effcb
[13:23] <guampa> i cleaned, cleaned with debian/rules, even re-branched
[13:24] <fairuz> guampa: same here :(
[13:24] <fairuz> guampa: Btw, I'm recompiling my kernel
[13:24] <guampa> yeah i'm about to fire it again
[13:25] <guampa> had working my ati with kms and all and now it started to stuck at initialization, so i'm in the quest too on what was that i touched
[13:44] <fairuz> guampa: I'm trying to hard coded the KERNELRELEASE to the Makefile. We will see what happens :D
[13:46] <guampa> lol, i'm trying something that if works, i'll smashing my head repeatedly with a frying pan
[13:46] <guampa> i wasnt running "make-kpḱg clean" after each new "make xconfig" (!)
[14:22]  * ogasawara back in 20min
[14:33] <jj-afk> back on later
[14:34]  * smb takes over
[14:35] <jj-afk> smb: glad to see you made it, make that later + 1 hour :)
[14:36] <JFo> smb, any idea if we plan to add this for natty? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA5MA
[14:36] <JFo> tgardner is off today or I would pester him :-)
[14:36] <smb> JFo, Let me see what the heck it is. :)
[14:36] <JFo> k :)
[14:36] <JFo> ralink open wifi driver
[14:38] <smb> JFo, I usually forget about schedule, but given that we are about a month away from release I would suspect we are either over or shortly before feature freeze. I'd suspect rather over
[14:39] <JFo> I thought that
[14:39] <smb> So I would not hold my breath to have it in the release and kernel package. Depedning how it goes it could be something that is in the lbm
[14:39] <jj-afk> smb, JFo: FF is thursday
[14:39]  * jj-afk really goes now
[14:39] <JFo> ah, thanks jj-afk
[14:40] <JFo> smb, no, I suspect not if it isn't on our radar
[14:40] <jj-afk> err, no its not thursday, beta freeze is, FF is way passed, that was like 3 weeks ago
[14:40] <smb> jj-afk, really has not gone then
[14:40] <JFo> apparently not :-P
[14:40] <smb> but thanks anyway
[14:41]  * jj-afk smacked head walking away
[14:41] <smb> That would be what I expeckt
[14:41] <JFo> same here
[14:41] <JFo> I thought we were past it, but my brain is foggy
[14:41] <smb> JFo, same here
[14:41] <JFo> thanks smb and jj-afk
[14:41] <smb> So I don't think this is specifically on our rader
[14:41] <smb> I believe there have been rumors of them maybe doing something
[14:42] <JFo> ok
[14:42] <smb> If there is anything in upstream for 2.6.39, then we just will get it as compat-wireless in lbm
[14:43] <JFo> that makes sense
[14:45]  * smb is amazed how much mail one can get in between yesterday evening and today...
[14:45] <JFo> oh yeah, my mail from the weekend and yesterday was crazy
[14:47] <ogasawara> pgraner: are you a moderator for the kernel-team mailing list?
[14:47] <smb> Luckily its a lot of duplicates here.
[14:48] <ogasawara> pgraner: there's some patches Henrik Rydberg sent, but apparently they're being held up since he's not a subscriber to the mailing list
[14:48] <ogasawara> pgraner: I'd normally hassle tgardner but he's away
[14:49] <smb> ogasawara, Same with apw but I believe pgraner should be admin too...
[14:49] <ogasawara> smb: yah, I didn't want to bug apw either :)
[14:49] <smb> ogasawara, Likely quite hard. He is busily preparing "other things" :)
[14:51] <pgraner> ogasawara, yep one sec
[14:54] <bjf> ##
[14:54] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:54] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[14:54] <bjf> ##
[15:22] <smb> ogasawara, Knowing your speed, do you want (or are already) to apply the patches I just acked, or should I do it? :)
[15:22] <ogasawara> smb: I can do it.  prolly easier since I've already got em in my trees.
[15:24] <smb> ogasawara, True enough. Though taking the email an am it is not too badly. But I wanted to avoid being the rabbit discovering the hedgehog is already there. :) Go for it.
[15:24] <Specialist> hi all... i am currently trying to isolate an ugly suspend/resume kernel bug and am using git bisect to figure out the problematic commit. unfortunately, git bisect picked a revision for me, which does not compile at all. any advice?
[15:26] <Specialist> ah, just found git bisect skip...
[15:26] <Specialist> that should hopefully do the trick
[15:30] <fairuz> Hi, I just change from .35 kernel to .38 kernel. I tried to compile a personal module that works in .35, but in .38 when I try to insmod the module, it gives Invalid module format error.
[15:31] <smb> fairuz, Did you re-compile the module against .38?
[15:31] <fairuz> yes
[15:32] <smb> You would need the right (abi) headers as well. Usually dmesg shows a bit more
[15:32] <smb> like "disagrees about version or so"
[15:33] <fairuz> smb: you are correct. Wait i take the output from dmseg
[15:34] <fairuz> smb: http://pastebin.com/AiAhUr4a
[15:36] <fairuz> smb: I already installed the headers for 2.6.38-1204-omap4
[15:39] <smb> fairuz, Hm..I triy to get the difference it complains about...
[15:42] <smb> fairuz, I am not sure, but one seems to have modversions and one has not...
[15:42] <fairuz> smb: it's weird since both is pratically similar
[15:43] <smb> Could it be you compiled one as part of a complete kernel build
[15:43] <fairuz> smb: anyway to check this modversion?
[15:45] <smb> fairuz, modinfo with the full path to your module (if it is not in /lib/modules)
[15:45] <smb> fairuz, Is the module you are building a seperate standalone module or did you make it part of the kernel tree
[15:45] <smb> ?
[15:45] <fairuz> smb: standalone
[15:48] <fairuz> smb: this is modinfo http://pastebin.com/vXXcc14X
[15:48] <smb> fairuz, So usually if you install the kernel headers package, you should get a Module.symvers in /usr/src/linux-headers-.... Maybe that is not there for some reason
[15:48] <fairuz> smb: wait i check on that
[15:49] <smb> fairuz, likely when you look at modinfo of any other module it would have modversion in the string...
[15:51] <fairuz> smb: I do have Module.symvers in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.38-1204-omap4
[15:54] <smb> fairuz, Hm, though it sounds to me like for some reason, when you compiled your module, it did not find the other module versions. The compile should issue a warning about that but then goes on without. Just that normal modprobe will refuse to load then.
[15:58] <smb> fairuz, I would propose to do the compile again and check the output for something like this (or maybe it magically works this time)
[16:30] <bjf> ##
[16:30] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 30 minutes
[16:30] <bjf> ##
[17:08] <JFo> <-food
[18:50] <kristian-aalborg> gentlemen
[18:51] <kristian-aalborg> or, gentlepersons... I have licked my wounds and is about to try once more
[19:04] <kristian-aalborg> jjohansen, kamal hi
[19:06] <jjohansen> kristian-aalborg: hi
[19:06] <jjohansen> back for another beating I see :)
[19:06]  * kristian-aalborg is using the google
[19:10] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, back for more
[19:11] <kristian-aalborg> I'm thinking I'm not the first luser to need a few tries
[19:23] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: as I remember it, you did actually get to the point of a successful build and install right?   good first step for sure.   and yes, I certainly needed a "few" tries before getting the procedure right (or was it a few *hundred*?  ;-)
[19:24]  * bjf -> lunch
[19:26] <kristian-aalborg> kamal: tbh, I've dabbled with it before... but newer made a working non-vanilla kernel
[19:27] <kristian-aalborg> I accidently borked an installation once, though... then I could copy files over when they were needed
[19:27] <kristian-aalborg> it was really, really fast
[19:52] <kristian-aalborg> sudo update-initramfs -ck module-name-for-new-kernel
[19:52] <kristian-aalborg> this is worth a try, I think
[19:53] <jjohansen> kristian-aalborg: yeah, there was a case or two where that wasn't working right
[19:53] <jjohansen> at least out of the build scripts
[19:54]  * jjohansen does that all the time with incremental manual builds where I am skipping the whole packaging system
[19:55] <kristian-aalborg> it's a fairly simple thing to do
[19:55]  * kristian-aalborg crosses fingers
[19:56] <kristian-aalborg> no... sends the computer straight to reboot still
[19:57] <kristian-aalborg> jjohansen: btw, the "sanity check" worked fine
[20:01] <jjohansen> kristian-aalborg: well I expected it would but its nice to confirm that it did
[20:02] <kristian-aalborg> yup
[20:08] <kristian-aalborg> nah, enough for today
[20:08] <kristian-aalborg> what I did was I did the "make" stuff until it exited, then I did it again with the no modules flags
[20:09] <kristian-aalborg> I think I'll try turning that flag on before I do anything the next time, but it won't be today
[20:09] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[20:57]  * ogasawara back on in a bit
[21:12] <njin> hello bug 739774 system clock is halted but process time go on, can it be a linux issue?
[21:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 739774 in casper "live session from usb key take very long to start (40 min.)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739774
[21:33] <Specialist> that's probably a beginner's question, but where can i exclude a module from being built when building a kernel using make-kpkg? .config seems to be re-generated during each build...
[21:33] <DrDetroit> hello
[21:34] <DrDetroit> I have been having problems with my Ubuntu 10,04 LTS running extreamly slow since my last two updates
[21:34] <DrDetroit> My previous 2 updates were 2.6.32-30-generic and 2.6.32-29-generic both exhibited the same strange slow behaviour, but I have regressed to 2.6.32-28-generic and have had no reduction in performance.
[21:34] <herton> Specialist, you must change the config files at debian.master/config directory
[21:34] <DrDetroit> I have tried top itop and ps aux to try and isolate the issue, but nothing stands out as eating up[ my cpu or memeory
[21:35] <DrDetroit> Can anyone point me in the right direction to troubleshoot this issue?
[21:35] <herton> Specialist, in case you're using an ubuntu tree
[21:35] <Specialist> herton: I don't have such a directory as I am building a vanilla kernel to isolate the root cause of a bug (using git bisect)
[21:36] <Specialist> unfortunately, the vanilla git tree does not build for each commit, so i'd like to exclude the (unrelated) module, which breaks the build
[21:38] <herton> Specialist, in this case I believe editing .config and running make oldconfig should do it then
[21:42] <Specialist> herton: that sounds like it would do the trick (using make-kpkg --config oldconfig), thanks!
[21:46] <Specialist> hm, unfortunately, it does not. the config is overwritten again on build (putting back the default)
[21:49] <sforshee> Specialist, I haven't used make-kpkg, but from my reading of the man page that doesn't sound like how it should behave
[21:49] <sforshee> perhaps another module is selecting the module you're trying to disable ?
[21:50] <Specialist> ack, but even make oldconfig selects it...
[21:50] <Specialist> sforshee: is there an easy way to find out?
[21:51] <sforshee> if another module is selecting it then make oldconfig is going to re-enable it
[21:51] <sforshee> what's the module you're trying to disable ?
[21:51] <Specialist> it's CONFIG_TI_ST, which is broken in some early 2.6.36 versions (and does not link correctly)
[21:52] <Specialist> ERROR: "st_get_plat_device" [drivers/staging/ti-st/st_drv.ko] undefined!
[21:53] <herton> for CONFIG_TI_ST, probably you have to disable CONFIG_ST_BT also, doing a quick check here
[21:53] <herton> ST_BT selects TI_ST
[21:53] <sforshee> yes, that's what I see as well
[21:54] <sforshee> Specialist, in this case you'd want to grep through all files named Kconfig* for a line matching 'select TI_ST'
[21:55] <Specialist> herton: thanks, disabling ST_BT did the trick
[21:56] <DrDetroit> I have been having problems with my Ubuntu 10,04 LTS running extreamly slow since my last two kernel updates
[21:56] <DrDetroit> My previous 2 updates were 2.6.32-30-generic and 2.6.32-29-generic both exhibited the same strange slow behaviour, but I have regressed to 2.6.32-28-generic and have had no reduction in performance.
[21:56] <DrDetroit> I have tried top itop and ps aux to try and isolate the issue, but nothing stands out as eating up[ my cpu or memeory
[21:56] <DrDetroit> Can anyone point me in the right direction to troubleshoot this issue?
[22:01] <Specialist> DrDetroit: you could try to identify the git commit, which causes the slowdown (not sure how many commits happened from -28 to -29)
[22:02] <DrDetroit> I am not a programmer or anything like that so I am not sure how to do that
[22:02] <DrDetroit> I am just an ordinary user
[22:02] <DrDetroit> I am just stuck
[22:02] <DrDetroit> since it works fine on 28 generic but not on 29 or 30 its hard to think its a hardware issue
[22:03] <DrDetroit> i hate to be stuck on 28 forever
[22:03] <DrDetroit> but i will make sure my grub always keeps the 28 kernel
[22:04] <DrDetroit> i have tried to find the problem in the forums but have had little luck
[22:06] <DrDetroit> How would i identify the git commit?
[22:09] <sforshee> DrDetroit, usually you'd do a git bisect, but that could be a little much for a non-developer
[22:09] <sforshee> if you feel up to it, there are instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection
[22:10] <sforshee> otherwise you probably just ought to open a bug in launchpad
[22:10] <DrDetroit> i hate to open a bug
[22:10] <DrDetroit> hehe
[22:15] <DrDetroit> that KernelBisection looks intimidating
[22:15] <DrDetroit> maybe i will go loolk at launchpad
[22:15] <DrDetroit> i have never used it either
[22:15] <sforshee> DrDetroit, if you file a bug against the kernel it's best to do it by running 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[22:16] <sforshee> that will add a lot of information about your hardware to the bug report automatically
[22:16] <DrDetroit> do i run that locally or when i get to launhpad
[22:16] <sforshee> locally, just run it from a terminal on the affected machine
[22:16] <DrDetroit> ah
[22:16] <DrDetroit> I figured that if it were a bug, then i would not be the first to have the problem
[22:17] <sforshee> you can search launchpad first to see if anyone else has reported the same thing
[22:17] <DrDetroit> ah
[22:18] <DrDetroit> ubuntu-bug Linux comes back package Linux does not exist
[22:18] <sforshee> try lower-case l
[22:19] <DrDetroit> hehe i did
[22:19] <DrDetroit> thank you
[22:19] <sforshee> np
[22:19] <DrDetroit> i actually dont know if it is a kernel issue
[22:19] <sconklin> DrDetroit: so this is a problem that you can easily tell if it were fixed, right?
[22:22] <DrDetroit> absolutey
[22:23] <DrDetroit> iI have regressed to 2.6.32-28-generic and have had no reduction in performance.
[22:23] <DrDetroit> I hate to run the later kernels to file the report since it runs so slow
[22:23] <DrDetroit> hopefully i can explain the issue in the report
[22:24] <DrDetroit> if the problem exists it will manifest itself usually within 10 min or so
[22:24] <sconklin> DrDetroit: ok, file a bug and we can do the bisection for you and give you kernels to test. Please be sure to make a comment in the bug listing the latest known kernel that does not have the problem, and the earliest known one that does.
[22:24] <DrDetroit> will do
[22:25] <DrDetroit> iI have regressed to 2.6.32-28-generic and have had no reduction in performance, both the 29 and 30 kernels exhibit really poor performance
[22:25] <sconklin> This is my favorite type of bug -  we have a reproducer and a willing tester!
[22:25] <DrDetroit> hehe
[22:25] <DrDetroit> the testiong phase looks prettyintimidating
[22:26] <DrDetroit> guess i have to create a launcpad account first
[22:27] <sconklin> nah, we'll just point you to new kernels to test and you answer yes/no whether they have the problem. It might take 5-8 tests, depending on the number of changes between the known good and bad
[22:29] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: you didn't run perm iotest did you?
[22:30] <DrDetroit> no
[22:30] <DrDetroit> i did run iotop
[22:30] <DrDetroit> i mean itop
[22:31] <DrDetroit> i just thought something was hogging my cpu or memory
[22:31] <DrDetroit> that is usually the issue when machines slow down
[22:31] <DrDetroit> i just cant figure out what it is
[22:32] <jjohansen> hrmm, I'll look into that, I had report of a performance regression on the weekend when perf io test where run, that I started looking at, the symptom of absolutely painful performance sounds the same
[22:32] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: in the case on the weekend, the machine was idle but io through put completely died
[22:33] <jjohansen> not saying it is the same, and I couldn't reproduce but it does sound similar
[22:34] <jjohansen> sconklin: the report I had came from the upstream kernel, it was in #apparmor user thought it was AA related but we managed to get that turned off and the regression remained
[22:35] <sconklin> jjohansen: No proven connection yet, but lucid recently had a pile of scheduler changes go in from upstream stable. I'm looking now to see which version they dropped in
[22:36] <jjohansen> sconklin: yeah, I'm not sure there was a connection just similar symptoms
[22:36] <DrDetroit> ok does this help?
[22:36] <DrDetroit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/740549
[22:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740549 in linux "Ubuntu 10.04LTS runs slow after kernel updates" [Undecided,New]
[22:37] <DrDetroit> i hate to have to continue to run an old kernel
[22:37] <DrDetroit> and forgo updates
[22:37] <sconklin> DrDetroit: that's great, thanks
[22:37] <DrDetroit> i hope its clear the 28 kernel works but 29 and 30 dont work for me
[22:38] <sconklin> yes, got that
[22:38] <DrDetroit> ok cool
[22:38] <DrDetroit> i will hang out here for a day or two just in case you want me to do something
[22:38] <DrDetroit> i am usually available if i know someone wants me
[22:39] <DrDetroit> otherwise i end up going outside to enjoy the sun
[22:39] <DrDetroit> hehe
[22:39] <DrDetroit> its been wacky weird weather here lately, way to nice for march
[22:39] <sconklin> you should get email if we update the bug
[22:39] <DrDetroit> oh ok cool
[22:39] <sconklin> it's beautiful where I am in North AL
[22:39] <DrDetroit> i have never filed one before
[22:39] <DrDetroit> so i dont know what to expect
[22:41] <sconklin> DrDetroit: nothing left for you to do on this today. Thanks for the report!
[22:42] <DrDetroit> ok thank you very much for the help
[22:42] <DrDetroit> is it ok to hang out anyways?
[22:42] <DrDetroit> i might learn something
[22:42] <DrDetroit> also i can load up the 29 or 30 kernels and do the same reports if you need me to
[22:43] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: yeah, we don't mind people hanging out, feel free to drop in any time
[22:43] <DrDetroit> thanks
[22:45] <sconklin> yeah, what he said ;-)
[22:48] <jjohansen> gah, efika messed up their kernel versions
[22:49] <sconklin> jjohansen, DrDetroit - the big scheduler changes went in back at 2.6.32-25, so that's probably not related
[22:49] <jjohansen> sconklin: hrmm, no
[22:50] <jjohansen> we'll just have to bisect it, we have a willing victim^W tester
[22:50] <sconklin> and DrDetroit, there's no need to submit bug reports for each of the failing kernels. You've already noted the version numbers, which is enough
[22:51] <DrDetroit> sorry, it was my first bug report
[22:51] <DrDetroit> its the only bug i have reported
[22:51] <DrDetroit> only the one report
[22:51] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: no reporting all the information you can is good
[22:52] <DrDetroit> the only thing i can think of to add is to fire up the other kernels and put the info into the original bug report if possible
[22:52] <DrDetroit> but i guess i can wait to do that until you guys need the info
[22:52] <DrDetroit> maybe you dont need it at all
[22:52] <DrDetroit> hehe
[22:53] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: in the future one bug report is nice, but we appreciate you going through and filing what you have, perhaps we just need to be clearer in or instructions
[22:53] <DrDetroit> i could have been usiing one of the failing kernels but it is so slow
[22:53] <sconklin> jjohansen: he hadn't already submitted them, he only asked if he should
[22:53] <DrDetroit> sorry
[22:54] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: generally that is what we do, we will ask you in the report to say run apport-collect <bug#>
[22:54] <jjohansen> sconklin: even better, I missed that
[22:54] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: asking is good :)
[22:55] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: so basically if we want more info on a bug we will ask for it and tell you what you need to do to attach it
[22:56] <sconklin> jjohansen: I'm almost outta here. if you start a bisection then put the git tree somewhere public so we can continue.
[22:56] <sconklin> jjohansen: There are only about 55 commits between 28 and 29
[22:57] <jjohansen> sconklin: how public? zinc, tangerine?
[22:57] <DrDetroit> ok i will await any further instructions
[22:57] <DrDetroit> thank you both for helping me
[22:57] <sconklin> jjohansen: either. I usually just put things like that in a branch of my personal repo on zinc
[22:57] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: I am going to start a bisect we will have a kernel for you to test in say an hour
[22:58] <DrDetroit> ok i will try and be around
[22:58] <jjohansen> sconklin: okay, will do I'll not it in the bug
[22:58] <DrDetroit> i have evening chores to do
[22:58] <sconklin> jjohansen: Ubuntu-2.6.32-28.56..Ubuntu-2.6.32-29.57
[22:58] <sconklin> Those are probably the tags you want
[22:58] <jjohansen> sconklin: thanks
[23:39] <DrDetroit> hehe it's so much fun to use a computer when it's working properly
[23:41] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: don't worry we will break it soon :)
[23:41] <DrDetroit> haha
[23:41] <DrDetroit> you will have to give me pretty good instructions since i have never done something like this before
[23:41] <DrDetroit> and I would hope to not loose my working kernel
[23:48] <jjohansen> DrDetroit: don't worry you won't loose your working kernel
[23:57] <DrDetroit> its not a big deal
[23:57] <DrDetroit> this is just my personal fun machine


[01:24] <Prest0o> hello
[01:25] <Prest0o> i have a fresh Lubuntu install with persistance, i tried to install some apps, and put some files, rebooted the USB and then the files dissapeared
[01:25] <Prest0o> any idea about why persistance is not working? there is a 4 Gb file called casper-rw in the pendrive, so looks like might be okey
[02:50] <spitko> Dell Mini pp39s installation attempt from USB:  successful installation --but after reboot, most of the screen is mostly blacked-out except the right quarter.  Any help?
[02:52] <krytarik> spitko: LP bug 1724639, try the "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" workaround.
 will do, thanks.  btw in case it matters --it looks like this:  https://imgur.com/a/sQkNA
[02:58] <krytarik> Yep, another case. >_>
[08:18] <mr-day> guys
[08:18] <mr-day> is lubuntu have default screen record?
[08:19] <mr-day> i need take video screen for present
[09:25] <mr-day> nvm
[09:25] <mr-day> i done
[09:25] <mr-day> ^^
[12:04] <ryanmeatloaf> So...I cannot connect to any wireless network on lubuntu, I just installed it yesterday
[12:04] <ryanmeatloaf> can someone please help
[12:05] <ryanmeatloaf> Hello?
[12:06] <ryanmeatloaf> It's me
[12:06] <ryanmeatloaf> Can Somebody help me
[12:06] <ryanmeatloaf> At the least reply
[12:06] <ryanmeatloaf> :X
[12:29] <hateball> well, I was having lunch, so
[12:29] <hateball> and then they quit
[13:32] <bryanfrommacau> hi
[13:32] <bryanfrommacau> There are some things that I want to configure in my start up process in lubuntu
[13:33] <bryanfrommacau> I have an external monitor (a tv, actually) which isn't configured properly
[13:34] <bryanfrommacau> So I run these commands every time I start up
[13:34] <bryanfrommacau> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25879627/
[13:35] <bryanfrommacau> Is there a way I can avoid this hassle?
[13:35] <bryanfrommacau> I basically want this computer to work as an appliance
[17:26] <Guest53840> Help please!    I've used to play SecondLife under Lubuntu 17.04, but it does not start under Lubuntu 17.10
[17:27] <Guest53840> I mean the Firestorm viewer
[22:00] <cristian_c> wxl: hello
[22:23] <wxl> cristian_c: ?
[23:13] <akw> hi
[23:16] <akw> is here anyone who knows how to change the keyboard layout for grub? i have an encrypted hard drive and set German keyboard layout which is not being used after finishing the setup
[23:19] <genii> ...and they leave just as I discover the answer
[23:20] <krytarik> Plz to share anyway. >_>
[23:23] <genii> You make a grub keyboard layout using grub-kbdcomp, tell Grub about it in /etc/default/grub, then add insmod keylayouts and keymap /path-to-file-grub-kbdcomp-made> into /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[23:25] <genii> So for their example, solutioon would be: sudo grub-kbdcomp -o /boot/grub/german.gkb de
[23:26] <genii> And in /etc/default/grub: GRUB_TERMINAL_INPUT="at_keyboard" ... then the additions to 40_custom, ans sudo-update-grub before a reboot
[23:38] <Kamilion> noted for future reference.
[23:38] <Kamilion> i do lots of grub menus.
[23:48] <krytarik> genii: Interesting to know, but I believe it was actually about LP bug 1047384.
[23:50] <genii> Interesting bug


[14:01] <wjb> I have read that `service reload` sends SIGHUP, causing the daemon to reread its configuration. If the configuration has changed, will the daemon die and be replaced by another process that has read the new configuration?
[14:45] <hikiko> hi
[14:46] <hikiko> I am trying to find out where the log_daemon_msg messages go to get the output of a startup script I have in /etc/init.d (the lightdm script) but I cant find it.. any ideas? (thanks)
[15:20] <jodh> wjb: 'reload' simply sends the main job process the appropriate signal. Use 'stop $job && start $job' to make the job restart with latest *upstart* configuration.
[15:22] <jodh> hikiko: /var/log/boot.log
[15:24] <hikiko> jodh, it's not there and ideally I'd like to see the messages each time I restart lightdm
[15:24] <hikiko> not only at boot time
[15:25] <wjb> jodh: Thanks. Another question if you a moment: the upstart script I'm working on has a script stanza that contains "exec sudo -u www-data my-server-script". So I see that process running as root, and I also see a process running my-server-script as www-data. Which of these does upstart see as the main job, and therefore send signals to?
[15:25] <jodh> hikiko: hold on - on an ubuntu system, lightdm is an upstart job, not a SysV one. Any output from lightdm goes to /var/log/upstart/lightdm.log.
[15:25] <wjb> jodh: I want the signal to go to the www-data process, not the sudo. But I'm not sure that is happening.
[15:26] <hikiko> jodh, ** (lightdm:2044): WARNING **: Session pid=2164: Error writing to session: Broken pipe
[15:26] <hikiko> that's the only type of messages I see there
[15:26] <hikiko> and also I added an echo "my message" >> /tmp/foo
[15:26] <hikiko> and there's no /tmp/foo created
[15:27] <jodh> wjb: if you have upstart >= 1.4 ("initctl version") use the 'setuid' and 'setgid' stanzas rather than sudo. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-job-as-a-different-user, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setuid, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setgid
[15:27] <jodh> wjb: as for which pid it tracks, it will track the first by default. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect (worth reading atleast twice! :-)
[15:28] <wjb> jodh: Thanks! I just read that for the first time a few minutes ago and am still digesting it. :)


[12:14] <empty> need help
[12:14] <Tm_T> empty: please elaborate
[12:14] <empty> i wanted to join the irc.cryto.net:6667 network but is unable to connect
[12:15] <empty> i tried to connect by "/server irc.cryto.net:6667" but i gave error "host name misspelled"!
[12:15] <Tm_T> empty: I'm unsure how we could help
[12:15] <k1l_> empty: this is not a technical support channel :/ better try #ubuntu
[12:16] <Tm_T> or even better, support channel of your irc client (:
[12:16] <empty> i was on it but didn't get any help so i tried here
[12:17] <k1l_> empty: see the topic, why this is not the right channel :)
[12:17] <empty> go it thanks
[15:02] <IdleOne> k1l: You are right in telling users that this isn't a support channel. I think we should at least try to direct people to the correct help before chasing them out of this channel though.
[15:03] <k1l> IdleOne: didnt i mention that #ubuntu would be more appropriate?
[15:04]  * AlanBell was thinking that too
[15:04]  * AlanBell polishes IdleOne's glasses
[15:04] <IdleOne> IMHO #ubuntu would not have been more appropriate because it was an irc connection issue, probably #freenode
[15:06] <k1l> well, connecting to another irc network would suit in #freenode either, imho. so i suggested #ubuntu
[15:06] <IdleOne> I suppose you are correct also :)
[19:07] <balloons> hello everyone
[19:07] <balloons> it appears that the #ubuntu-quality channel is not being logged. This channel was re-opened after the ubuntu qatar loco team took over the ubuntu-qa moniker
[19:08] <balloons> what needs to be done in order to make sure the channel is logged?
[19:08] <tsimpson> balloons: you need to file a ticket to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and request a log bot
[19:08] <balloons> kk. ty tsimpson
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> Does ubot5 do logging?
[19:13] <IdleOne> none of the ubottu clones do
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> okay, was curious, thanks.
[21:28] <Aaron> hey can someone help me out?
[21:29] <Aaron> I'm trying to see if i can change my email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:30] <pleia2> Aaron: you'll want to submit a ticket for that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:30] <pleia2> Aaron: actually, you don't own launchpad.net/~aaron
[21:30] <pleia2> the @ubuntu.com address is your launchpad name
[21:30] <pleia2> can't change it unless you change your launchpad name
[21:32] <Aaron> oh cool
[21:32] <Aaron> is it available?
[21:32] <Aaron> lol that guy is not available
[21:32] <Aaron> any more...


[00:02] <muxfr> ok got it thanks, in the login options under system, uncheck show menu
[01:15] <soultaker101> hello people
[01:15] <soultaker101> anybody actually here
[01:17] <soultaker101> hmm.. well I'd join the more talkative #ubuntu but zsIRC doesn't seem to be able to handle how many people are hangin out in there
[01:18] <soultaker101> unless you guys are talking and zsIRC can't handle recieving
[01:22] <soultaker101> hello big zed
[03:32] <Bacon> Quick question: should lsusb show devices you don't have a driver installed for?
[03:40] <[Ese]> hello there!
[04:00] <MTec007> would it be possible to run windows in some kind of virtual box program, if the windows i want to run is a partition?
[04:07] <MTec007> i dont know much about virtual boxes but i would rather do this than boot into windows
[04:46] <xsebsx> is there a xubuntu for macs?
[04:46] <xsebsx> there's a mac laptop that i want to install xubuntu in
[04:54] <MTec007> xsebsx, is it an intel mac?
[05:02] <xsebsx> MTec007: how do i find out?
[05:02] <xsebsx> why? i'm here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/jaunty/release/ and i only see one option for macs
[05:02] <xsebsx> it's one of these white laptops
[05:03] <xsebsx> how would it make a difference?
[05:05] <xsebsx> i am downloading the alternate mac image just in case, is that ok?
[05:06] <MTec007> it matters plenty
[05:07] <MTec007> if theres an image for mac use it
[05:07] <xsebsx> but that's the only option i see? i only see that option and the mac alternate which is what i'm downloading
[05:07] <xsebsx> how do i check if it's an intel mac?
[05:07] <xsebsx> i have an amd laptop for example
[05:08] <MTec007> but i also found this link which you may or may not need: http://lifehacker.com/256395/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-a-mac
[05:08] <xsebsx> and kubuntu works fine on it
[05:08] <MTec007> i dont know, i dont like macs, i dont know anything about them, and i dont want to either :P
[05:09] <MTec007> i'd say it will work if kubuntu does
[05:09] <xsebsx> but i mean what does it matter if it's intel or not? i have a non mac amd processor and it works fine
[05:09] <xsebsx> no no mine is not a mac it's an hp
[05:09] <xsebsx> but my point is: it's not intel
[05:11] <xsebsx> also, can i get effects as cool as the kde kubuntu 4 ones if i download xubuntu-desktop?
[05:12] <MTec007> not sure:)
[05:24] <Bookman> What is the default web browser for xubuntu?
[05:32] <sake_> hi
[05:32] <sake_> i wanted to kno how to configure the notify-osd that i installed in xubuntu jaunty so that it looks like ubuntu.
[05:38] <xsebsx> i tried sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop from kde and got this E: Invalid operation xubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <sake_> hmmm
[05:38] <sake_> i think u gotta install like xfce first
[05:39] <sake_> or smthng
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[08:08] <Tiffany> i have the latest xubuntu and when i try to run an install of xp home in virtualbox it seems to turn off, is it limited to the vm or will it happen all the time?
[08:25] <kromar> hi
[08:26] <kromar> i  a problem on my laptop, since the latest update the panels are gone and i have no ide how to get them back. anyone who can help me out?
[08:33] <igsen> How to put entry in /etc/hosts so that 2 jaunty pc's can share files???
[08:34] <psycho_oreos> I don't think adding entries into /etc/hosts would allow two pcs to share files
[08:35] <igsen> So, how am I gonna do that? Any ideas?
[08:48] <xsebsx> how can i set xubuntu to open folders and files and things on a single click?
[08:49] <TheSheep> xsebsx: in thunar settings
[08:51] <xsebsx> TheSheep, well yeah man, so...how do you get to single click on the desktop?
[08:52] <xsebsx> for some reason i can't even open things on the desktop double clicking
[08:52] <xsebsx> i have to right click
[08:53] <TheSheep> you can't have it on the desktop
[08:53] <TheSheep> it's an old bug
[08:54] <xsebsx> ok
[08:54] <xsebsx> and how come i can't open things on the desktop double clicking even
[08:54] <xsebsx> i ahve to right click and then select open
[08:54] <xsebsx> what makes it do that?
[08:56] <psycho_oreos> I found sometimes vmware workstation does that
[08:56] <xsebsx> vmware?
[08:56] <xsebsx> what's that?
[08:56] <xsebsx> i am not on a virtual machine
[08:57] <psycho_oreos> its a OS virtualisation software
[08:57] <psycho_oreos> not saying you are
[08:57] <xsebsx> any idea of how to fix this?
[08:57] <xsebsx> is it somethign i did
[08:57] <psycho_oreos> yes
[08:58] <psycho_oreos> that's what I try to do, traceback to what I did last as it may be the culprit
[08:59] <kromar> can someone help me get my panels back on my laptop?
[09:04] <xsebsx> ok i clicked on properties on the desktop
[09:04] <xsebsx> and it says read only
[09:04] <xsebsx> does that have anytthign to do with it?
[09:17] <xsebsx_> help, i have two home folders on my desktop and i can't open the desktop items unless i right click and select open
[09:18] <xsebsx_> and one of the two "home"s doesn't evne list thunar as an available program to open it
[09:36] <psycho_oreos> weird issue
[09:36] <xsebsx_> ok
[09:36] <xsebsx_> i fixed that
[09:36] <xsebsx_> now
[09:37] <xsebsx_> wheres the power mngt options on xfce
[09:37] <psycho_oreos> Applications > Settings > Power Management
[09:38] <xsebsx_> thx
[09:40] <xsebsx_> i've noticed that i cant listen to a song and youtube at the same time, it seems as though the one that was opened first overrides, same when i want to watch a movie, the compositer shuts down how can i fix this
[09:42] <psycho_oreos> did you upgrade your version of xubuntu from some other version to jaunty?
[09:42] <xsebsx_> nope, i installed gnome
[09:43] <xsebsx_> as in
[09:43] <xsebsx_> ubuntu
[09:43] <xsebsx_> then i installed kubuntu
[09:43] <xsebsx_> and then xubuntu
[09:44] <psycho_oreos> hm
[12:51] <Araneidae> Hmm.  I've also noticed that youtube sound sometimes goes horribly wrong, and I also installed xubuntu via ubuntu and kubuntu.  Think I've got too much gnome and KDE crap left around.
[14:07] <mUrshEd> hello
[17:25] <DrSteve> Having xubuntu jaunty ppc problems -- installs but no sudo passwords are working, no one placed in sudoers list
[17:27] <DrSteve> I had to drop into a root shell on the hd from the rescue disk to get a working xorg.conf, might that have messed up the user situation?
[18:22] <DrSteve> Anyone else had sudoer problems?
[18:52] <xub> hello chan
[18:56] <Besogon> Is there any tools for creaing menu in xubuntu?
[18:56] <xub> I'm trying to understand where NetworkManager saves the network connection settings to my wlan... but have no idea where to start, /etc/network/interfaces and similar seem to be empty :-/
[18:57] <Besogon> xub, Why don't you use wpa-supplicant???
[19:00] <xub> I tried weeks (literally weeks) to get my wifi card to work configuring the net via console, but nothing is working... now NetworkManager seems to be able to deal with it without problems, would be nice to know how !
[19:00] <Besogon> xub, iwlist scanning very useful for searcing configurations WiFi. I 'v used that for make wpa-supplicant work
[19:02] <Besogon> xub, you can find out more information there http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[19:04] <xub> thanks for the link, already tried that :-(
[19:04] <xub> and how can iwlist help ? :-/
[19:05] <xub> and BTW, if networkmanager is able to reconnect after it's being stopped and started again, it means it has to store that info somewhere.... !!
[19:05] <Besogon> xub, iwlist will tell you options for wpa-supplicant.
[19:06] <xub> Besogon: thanks, but you're not really helping... lol
[19:09] <Besogon> xub, what Wifi do you actually have? (WEP, WPA-PSK may be, I made one wpa-psk connection) To concern the iwlist: iwlist will get to you options: group, parwise, key_mgmt...
[19:13] <xub> Besogon: wpa2-psk from an eeebox
[19:13] <xub> Besogon: but I still don't understand how NetworkManager stores information...
[19:16] <xub> I practically raped google for information this last weeks, but nothing, apart from the gui-configuration, seems to be working !
[19:19] <Besogon> xub, Are your Wifi working now? If it's true then make iwlist scanning. After that let me see at it
[19:24] <xub> sent :)
[19:46] <bmxfelon420> hey
[20:21] <xub> .
[20:47] <mikubuntu> guys, my headset works with everything i can think of on my (sort of) new laptop, but it doesn't work with skype, any ideas for troubleshooting?
[20:50] <mikubuntu> actually, not just the headset, if i disconnect the headset, i still don't get any skype sound from speakers either
[21:17] <TheSheep> !skype
[23:33] <mikubuntu> The_Sheep: i tried every setting i could find from the skype support page you gave me, but nothing works in the end... i had several times success testing the audio input outside of skype, but when i tested within skype it faild ... arrrrggghhhh...
[23:33] <mikubuntu> cigarette break, go clear my head ... brb
[23:52] <mikubuntu> don't know what the problem could be.  i tried removing pulseaudio and installing esound, but then i got no sound in any configuration i tried, so i reinstalled pulseaudio ...
[23:54] <proq> when I reboot my 9.04 system, the sound is always muted.  is there a way to keep this from happening?