[18:56] <bashfulrobot> iBattaglin: What is Budgie 17? Oh, you mean 17.04? It sounds like your issue is in IRSSI itself. We do not modify anything in that package. Suggest hitting their support community.


[18:18] <proton3> thank you for listening to me the other day
[18:20] <proton3> i see you installed a mapping memory on my system, i applaud you for doing so, and i will always trust you folks, as, i have used your system since 606. and have had zero problems other than normal hardware configs, to, whitch were not from you good people.
[18:22] <proton3> you have my permission to do what is necessary to find what went wrong, and to rectify such errors that were both, uncommon, as well as, not obligitory within the system itself.
[18:24] <proton3> thank you for your time and efforts
[18:26] <proton3> I normally go by the nic "HackerII" by definition, if i am still ignored, please releave the ignore, and allow me back within the forum to contine as i was. again. thank you for your time and efforts.
[18:26] <proton3> good day
[18:36] <HackerII> interesting
[18:37] <HackerII> i see im still ignored in ubuntu, how can i rectify this
[18:49] <HackerII> thank you for your time and efforts
[19:26] <HackerII> please explain
[19:26] <HackerII> linux has sold itself to the devil
[19:26] <HackerII> imgur.com/a/oVlWNz8
[19:26] <HackerII> i have over 3k engines
[19:28] <HackerII> have you people lost your mind. proverbs says, god created all things, sames as john 1"1, what on gods green earth makes you think, a created being, can, overcome its creator ??
[19:29] <HackerII> please explain
[19:30] <HackerII> jesus created good.. why would you want to go bad
[19:30] <HackerII> do you love evil ??
[19:30] <HackerII> jesus said., you would
[19:30] <HackerII> and
[19:30] <HackerII> you do
[19:30] <HackerII> prove me wrong
[19:31] <HackerII> im here to save you from yourself
[19:31] <HackerII> yes
[19:31] <HackerII> yoursrlf
[19:31] <HackerII> yourself
[19:32] <HackerII> yourself, was born into sin NATURE, so that you will, when your life is done and over.. burnz
[19:32] <HackerII> you wanna burnz ??
[19:33] <HackerII> jesus did away with religion
[19:33] <HackerII> in
[19:33] <HackerII> galations 3:25
[19:33] <HackerII> religion.. in the greek...
[19:33] <HackerII> means
[19:33] <HackerII> return to bondage
[19:33] <HackerII> look it up
[19:34] <HackerII> the
[19:34] <HackerII> simplicity
[19:34] <HackerII> of
[19:34] <HackerII> christ
[19:34] <HackerII> is
[19:34] <HackerII> foreign
[19:34] <HackerII> to
[19:34] <HackerII> the
[19:34] <HackerII> carnal
[19:34] <HackerII> mind
[19:34] <HackerII> you
[19:34] <HackerII> were born with a carnal mind
[19:35] <HackerII> the carnal  ind is what satan had and passed on to man
[19:35] <HackerII> mind
[19:35] <HackerII> thus
[19:35] <HackerII> were diseased with it
[19:36] <HackerII> and
[19:36] <HackerII> eventually, we die
[19:36] <HackerII> with it
[19:36] <HackerII> pay attention\
[19:36] <HackerII> romans 8:1
[19:36] <HackerII> kjv
[19:37] <HackerII> if you are born again, sin no longer remains
[19:37] <HackerII> and
[19:37] <HackerII> your free
[19:37] <HackerII> right now
[19:38] <HackerII> your not free
[19:38] <HackerII> prove me wrong
[19:38] <HackerII> your the furtherist thing from being free
[19:39] <housecat> Hi Hacker. I've reviewed the log of your original ban in #ubuntu, and the logs of your visits to #ubuntu-ops since then. Based on your available behavior, I am not comfortable removing your ban at this time, as it is quite clear that you're unable to stay on-topic enough for #ubuntu. Please look into other Ubuntu support options at https://ubuntu.com/support/community-support if you'd like
[19:39] <housecat> further assistance.
[19:40] <HackerII> housecat,  john 8.44
[19:41] <housecat> Additionally, I strongly recommend that should you decide to appeal your ban again in the future, you do so without reference to the Bible or various government agencies, since neither of those are particularly relevant to the situation.
[19:41] <HackerII> housecat,  pay attention
[19:42] <housecat> Do you have any questions about what I've said, or does that conclude your request for ban removal?
[19:42] <HackerII> eternity is forever, not to be confused with modern hearsey
[19:42] <HackerII> pay attention people
[19:42] <HackerII> im here so help save you
[19:43] <HackerII> do you not understand
[19:43] <HackerII> are you overtaken b y such evil ??
[19:43] <HackerII> here is the deal
[19:43] <housecat> HackerII: This is a channel for resolving issues in the #ubuntu-* core channels, not for attempting to prosthelytize people. Do you have any comments that are on-topic for this channel?
[19:44] <HackerII> yes i do
[19:44] <HackerII> please respond
[19:44] <housecat> To what, specifically?
[19:44] <HackerII> ready ??
[19:44] <HackerII> banning of the channel ubuntu
[19:46] <housecat> I believe I responded to that above. Did you have any specific questions about that?
[19:47] <HackerII> stop being a deamoncrat, NO, you didnt respond, please respond
[19:47] <housecat> As I said above, I've looked at what you've said in this channel and in #ubuntu, and will not be unbanning you at this time.
[19:47] <HackerII> boot me, my next os will release your next response
[19:48] <housecat> #ubuntu has a strict on-topic policy, and your recent behavior leaves me with no confidence that you're now able to stick to that.
[19:48] <HackerII> i will expose you and all your evil
[19:48] <HackerII> prove me wrong, here is the pic of you: htthttps://imgur.com/a/oVlWNz8ps://imgur.com/a/oVlWNz8
[19:49] <HackerII> god is not mocked
[19:49] <HackerII> you will be exposed
[19:49] <HackerII> i have the logs and your intent
[19:49] <housecat> !logs
[19:50] <housecat> It's all public, feel free to reference at your leisure.
[19:50] <housecat> Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[19:50] <HackerII> you, are run by the intelligence agencies and the devil , prove mw wrong
[19:50] <HackerII> prove me wrong
[19:50] <HackerII> i have the proof
[19:51] <HackerII> big time
[19:51] <el> we understand you're upset, but i doubt there's anything we can do to actually help you here, or meet the criteria you've created to prove your theories wrong. so we must part ways now.
[19:52] <housecat> Indeed. Please /part #ubuntu-ops for now and come back after at least 14 days once your behavior has improved.
[19:52] <HackerII> LOL, i just, as you, probed it
[19:52] <HackerII> proved it
[19:52] <HackerII> prove me wrong, remember, all my screenshots are joined to a usb
[19:52] <HackerII> hahaha
[19:53] <HackerII> anjoy
[19:53] <el> tomreyn: was there anything else you needed?
[19:54] <housecat> @comment 79982 repeated offtopic behavior, have reviewed the ban they were asking about and have declined to remove it, user did not part channel voluntarily when asked, 14d
[19:54] <housecat> @comment 79984 repeated offtopic behavior, have reviewed the ban they were asking about and have declined to remove it, user did not part channel voluntarily when asked, 14d
[20:57] <hggdh> who is John?
[20:57] <el> ?
[20:57] <hggdh> HackerII mentioned some John above
[20:57] <el> probably the bible verse?
[20:57] <hggdh> oh
[20:57] <el> they used a . instead of a : i think
[20:58] <hggdh> why do people assume everybody knows the bible?
[20:58] <Eickmeyer> Even I had to look that one up, but it was used entirely out of context.
[20:59] <hggdh> and then there are romans and gelatinous, which are also bible references, I guess
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> Yes, those would be books in the Bible, in those cases written by the apostle Paul.
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> Technically, those would be letters to early churches.
[21:00] <hggdh> too complex for me :-)
[21:00] <el> if the fl- in the hostname implies florida then they're probably not around people who aren't god-fearing folk
[21:03] <el> anyway, this commentary isn't helping anyone so...


[03:30] <alpha_> I just built a desktop using a ssd to instal ubuntu 14.04, I have two xhds that I removed from their enclosures and plugged into sata3 ports on my mobo. They are partitioned in either fat32 or ntfs because I used them on a windows sys. Is there any way that I can get ubuntu to recognize my files and read/write to the disk?
[03:31] <alpha_> on checking the bios, only one of the two drives i have in my mobo that arent the boot drive are being recognized. Is there also a way to do something equivalent to a windows check disk?
[15:07] <balloons> welcome home ahoneybun
[15:07] <ahoneybun> thanks balloons
[15:29] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you should sent an event summary email to the Florida team, I'm sure other would be interested in your experience and what you learned at akademy
[15:33] <ahoneybun> I've blogged
[15:34] <balloons> linky?
[15:35] <ahoneybun> http://usefoss.com/
[20:05] <DammitJim> do you guys know how I can change the password of a user (the only user on a box)?
[20:05] <DammitJim> I've tried recovery mode and single user mode, but passwd : command not found!
[20:05] <DammitJim> what am I missing? it must be something silly
[20:19] <DammitJim> nevermind... it's a grub thing


[04:05] <sconklin> http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/18/intel-wants-to-charge-50-to-unlock-stuff-your-cpu-can-already-d/
[07:44] <bullgard4> At startup my Maverick Beta computer writes after 1,8 s : "Magic number: 10:86:987". What does this number refer to?
[11:44] <bullgard4> At startup my Maverick Beta computer writes after 1,8 s : "Magic number: 10:86:987". What does this number refer to?
[11:52] <bullgard4> I understand that it designates USERHASH:FILEHASH:DEVHASH. But why does Ubuntu publish these 3 numbers?
[19:46] <u456503> Hi all
[19:48] <u456503> Is somebody here ?
[19:50] <u456503> I'm trying to compile the kernel using this tutorial: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild
[19:50] <u456503> I'm using Ubuntu 10.10
[19:53] <u456503> but there are some files *.patch to be applied
[19:54] <u456503> can some one help ?
[20:01] <u456503> hi oracle
[20:02] <oracle> hi
[20:02] <oracle> so many kernel updates recently
[20:03] <u456503> stable candidates, yes
[20:04] <u456503> Do you run an Ubuntu ststem ?
[20:06] <u456503> http://twitter.com/gregkh/status/24873562442 from Greg
[20:07] <oracle> yes i run two ubuntus
[20:08] <oracle> 2.6.27
[20:08] <oracle> weird
[20:11] <u456503> oh, can you explain how to apply the ubuntu patches, on the latest mainile ?
[20:12] <u456503> the links: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.36-rc4-maverick/
[20:13] <u456503> and: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild
[20:13] <u456503> I am not an expert, if you can help ?
[20:17] <u456503> hi chrisccoulson
[20:17] <chrisccoulson> hi u456503
[20:18] <u456503> can you view the last discution ?
[20:19] <u456503> I'm trying to compile the latest kernel
[20:21] <u456503> but there are some patces, not included in mainline
[20:22] <u456503> there is somebody to upstream them ?
[20:22] <u456503> or I am on the wrong channel ?
[20:45] <u456503> in 5 minutes I will quit
[21:35] <etheretic> 'ello
[21:39] <etheretic> running iotop, get error "CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %" making it impossible to analyze the iowait pest i'm afflicted with. ubuntu 10.04 kernel 2.6.32-4.
[21:40] <lifeless> ttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/532490
[21:40] <etheretic> bug or feature?
[21:40] <etheretic> ah.
[21:40] <etheretic> h
[21:41] <lifeless> its going to be reenabled according to the master bug
[21:41] <lifeless> perhaps you need a newer kernel ?
[21:42] <etheretic> er. have one handy? not very competent w. linux, btw.
[21:42] <lifeless> no, I don't sorry :)
[21:43] <etheretic> thought 32-24 was latest. pardon above typo.
[21:43] <etheretic> 2.6.32-24
[21:47] <etheretic> lifeless: i have rtfm'ed on the iowait issue, but found no applicable solutions. it arises when running firefox/oolite/amule, and causes said programs to crash after having paralysed my comp (acer notebook) for 2-30 minutes.
[21:47] <etheretic> not sure how kernel-related it is. but #ubuntu was mum on the issue.
[21:52] <lifeless> I suggest reading up on disk tuning - DMA etc. Could be that.
[21:54] <etheretic> hdparm?
[21:58] <etheretic> timings look ok.
[22:01] <etheretic> 580/46 cached/buffered. nothing spectacular, but not abysmal either.
[22:20] <sfw> Does anyone know how does kernel module loading in Ubuntu work? Is it any different from Gentoo? This is NOT a troll question or something. For example I try to switch cpu into ondemand mode and it explicitly requires I modprobe "powernow-k8". How does Ubuntu handle this? Im just learning a bit.
[22:23] <mjg59> sfw: Which requires it? Ubuntu or Gentoo?
[22:24] <mjg59> There's no modaliases for CPUs, so it's always necessary to explicitly load cpufreq modules
[22:24] <mjg59> Ubuntu (and most sane distributions) have a startup script that looks at your cpu vendor, family and flags and uses that to figure out which module to load
[22:25] <sfw> mjg59: So ubuntu does not use kerneld and uses kernel autoloader? What startupscript are you refering for please, init in initramfs?
[22:26] <mjg59> sfw: kerneld?
[22:26] <mjg59> It's been a while since I checked exactly how it works in Ubuntu - I /believe/ that it's called /etc/init.d/powernow.something
[22:26] <sfw> I remember pretty good I wasnt required to modprobe powernow with 10.04. It was already somehow loaded.
[22:27] <sfw> Kerneld is from here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Kerneld/introduction.html    And I got info about it from here:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Module-HOWTO/index.html
[22:29] <Nafallo> likely /etc/init.d/ondemand I think
[22:29] <sfw> mjg59, so ubuntu probably uses init.d to automatically load the module. Hm. I just wonder if a program can force kernel module be loaded automatically. In the case of devices its done by udev AFAIK
[22:29] <Nafallo> hmm. no. that doesn't actually load modules
[22:29] <sfw> I mean it detects devices and issues modload.
[22:31] <mjg59> sfw: kerneld doesn't exist in modern kernels
[22:31] <Nafallo> ah. looks like the powernow stuff is compiled into the kernel, and then /etc/init.d/ondemand sets the ondemand for cpus that supports it.
[22:31] <sfw> mjg59: this is what I was fearing)
[22:32] <mjg59> sfw: In the modern world, when a device is created it generates a uevent. That gets picked up by udev, which reads the modalias file and asks modprobe to load any modules with a modalias that matches the device's. CPUs are system devices and don't have modaliases.
[22:32] <sfw> Nafallo: Ok, that pretty clears things up, ty
[22:34] <sfw> mjg59: Thanks a lot for explanation! So software usually should not load or ask to load any kernel modules?
[23:53] <melkor> are there any maverick kernels that have fixed this issue?  http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Hole-in-Linux-kernel-provides-root-rights-1081317.html
[23:53] <melkor> I'm using the lts maverick backports and it is not fixed.


[03:30] <netritious> o/ howdy Unit193, wrst, cyberanger, err'body ...sorry took so long to reply lol
[03:31] <Unit193> Meh, you made it before the 3 day cutoff.
[03:32] <netritious> lol
[03:43] <cyberanger> netritious: that's fine, still use gpg?
[03:45] <netritious> cyberanger: not lately. you?
[03:45] <cyberanger> aside from --verify, not until today
[03:47] <cyberanger> netritious: see pm
[03:48] <netritious> i need to create new keys
[03:48] <netritious> just lazy, and frankly, nothing to hide really
[03:51] <cyberanger> and it takes a little more work if the key is larger than 4096 too, and idk how many people I've seen use gpg for encryption lately (opposed to just signing)
[03:52] <Unit193> netritious: I need a 4096 one now too...
[03:54] <netritious> I'll get around to it eventually
[03:56] <cyberanger> I'd grab the source, modify two values, and generate something at or above 8192 honestly
[04:04] <netritious> today I used vi and didn't have to google a cheat sheet
[04:05] <netritious> albeit all I did was add, change, delete some text and save with and without wirting contents to file
[04:06] <cyberanger> I'm getting better at not needing a cheet sheet, but I still use it too much
[04:06] <netritious> <<first editor in unix/linux was pico
[04:28] <cyberanger> I'm guessing mine was kate, from 2004, knoppix
[04:29] <cyberanger> then ubuntu and gedit, somewhere after that was nano
[04:30] <cyberanger> but I still use my first editor, the old MS-DOS edit
[20:23] <twayneprice> cyberanger: Real Men use copy con  :)
[20:30] <cyberanger> lol
[21:49] <cyberanger> twayneprice: real men you pen and paper
[21:50] <cyberanger> and real smart men keep a bottle of white out nearby
[21:50]  * cyberanger isn't one of those real smart men today, thankfully dollar general had some
[21:59] <twayneprice> :)
[22:01] <cyberanger> You'd think the EPA would be able to "help" the US Government go paperless


[15:51] <filipegarcia> hello
[15:51] <ogra> filipegarcia, so do you know what kind of device it is ?
[15:51] <filipegarcia> yes
[15:51]  * ogra is currently only familiar with evtouch driven devices
[15:51] <filipegarcia> it's an Lg L1730Sf
[15:51] <ogra> can you pastebin your lshal output ?
[15:52] <ogra> to paste.ubuntu.com or so
[15:52] <filipegarcia> ok
[15:52] <bugabundo_work1> !pastebin
[15:53] <ogra> ah, looks like people made that model work with evtouch before looks good :)
[15:53] <bugabundo_work1> where are you getting that info, ogra?
[15:53] <ogra> google :)
[15:53] <bugabundo_work1> !google ?
[15:53] <bugabundo_work1> ehehheeh
[15:53] <filipegarcia> lol
[15:54] <filipegarcia> i saw a few tutorials about it
[15:54] <ogra> all we need now is a proper hal parameter to match against
[15:54] <bugabundo_work1> on another thread remember that 7" laptop I mention? it won't boot from Pen, with u-mobile recent images! it boots fine from generic ubuntu :(
[15:54] <filipegarcia> but when i try to change the defenitions in xorg.conf
[15:55] <filipegarcia> i have no results
[15:55] <ogra> jst get me the lshal output, then we can create a .fdi file from that and lets see :)
[15:56] <ogra> bugabundo_work1, wth recent images you mean the daily builds ?
[15:56] <bugabundo_work1> yeah ogra
[15:56] <ogra> hmm, that should work though, how does it fail ?
[15:56] <filipegarcia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56015/
[15:56] <bugabundo_work1> I don't know... it will fail to boot from several pendrives I tried!
[15:56] <bugabundo_work1> orther PCs work fine...
[15:57] <bugabundo_work1> I thaught that laptop was tripping with boot from usb, so I made a new pen image from ubuntu using usb-creator, and was able to boot it just fine... took me while, but it booted...
[16:00] <bugabundo_work1> ogra: it won't even get me to casper/ubiquity
[16:05] <ogra> filipegarcia, create a file called: /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-itm.fdi
[16:05] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56016/
[16:05] <ogra> paste from line two to the end
[16:05] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:05] <ogra> save the file and reboot, lets see if something hapens with it :)
[16:06] <ogra> (and make sure to not have an xorg.conf file ! )
[16:06] <filipegarcia> yeah
[16:06] <ogra> or at least no input stuff in it
[16:06] <filipegarcia> i remove everything i put there
[16:07] <ogra> oh, wait
[16:07] <ogra> i pasted the wrong values
[16:08] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:08] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56018/ these numbers are more sane for 7"
[16:08] <ogra> it wont be calibrated proerly, even if it works
[16:08] <ogra> i assume :)
[16:08] <ogra> bugabundo_work1, well, thats weird, since both boot varants simply uses syslinux
[16:09] <filipegarcia> rebooting now
[16:09] <ogra> *variants
[16:11] <bugabundo_work1> maybe some kind of parameter we need to issue on syslinux?
[16:11] <filipegarcia> ogra: i can't see any differences from the previous calibration
[16:11] <ogra> well, i was aware that my handrolled image had issues, but the dailies should just work
[16:12] <ogra> filipegarcia, but you see events ?
[16:12] <filipegarcia> by the way, the axes are switched
[16:12] <ogra> i.e. the pointer moves
[16:12] <filipegarcia> yes
[16:12] <ogra> good
[16:12] <ogra> which axes ? horizontal or vertical ?
[16:13] <filipegarcia> i guess both
[16:13] <ogra> lets try with teh y axis: <merge key="input.x11_options.swapy" type="string">1</merge>
[16:13] <filipegarcia> when i go up the pointer moves right
[16:13] <ogra> ad that line
[16:13] <ogra> *add
[16:14] <ogra> sorry, testing that will require some rebooting until we get the basic setup right ... then you can calibrate it
[16:14] <ogra> oh and at some point i'd like to see your lshal again to make sure it really uses evtouch now
[16:14] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:15] <filipegarcia> no problem
[16:16] <filipegarcia> so http://paste.ubuntu.com/56021/
[16:17] <filipegarcia> and the axes are still switched
[16:17] <ogra> great, evtouch is used .... its only a matter of finding the right options
[16:17] <ogra> both ?
[16:17] <filipegarcia> yeap
[16:18] <filipegarcia> moving up gets the pointer moving right again
[16:18] <ogra>  <merge key="input.x11_options.rotate" type="string">cw</merge>
[16:18] <ogra> try adding that line too
[16:19] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:21] <filipegarcia> same problem
[16:22] <ogra> <merge key="input.x11_options.swapx" type="string">1</merge>
[16:22] <ogra> ?
[16:22] <ogra> add that too
[16:23] <ogra> its really a matter of finding the right combo now
[16:23] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:25] <filipegarcia> the same
[16:25] <filipegarcia> it's wierd though
[16:26] <filipegarcia> the point doesn't look like is in the same position every time e put my finger in the same place
[16:26] <filipegarcia> pointer
[16:28] <filipegarcia> i don't know if i explain myself
[16:29] <ogra> yes, thats the broken calibration, though the axis swapping is weird
[16:31] <ogra> seems on kernel level its using usbtouchscreen
[16:31] <ogra> that has an option: swap_xy
[16:31] <ogra> add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/options
[16:31] <filipegarcia> upper right corner is ok but upper left corner is down right corner
[16:32] <ogra> options usbtouchscreen swap_xy=1
[16:32] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:32] <ogra> see if that cchanges the behavior somehow after rebooting
[16:34] <lool> persia: Didn't realize we had a release meeting today; usually I get an email :)  if you have a list of issues already, that'd be best
[16:34] <filipegarcia> it changed to up=down left=right
[16:35] <persia> lool, I'm currently only tracking 280014 and the yet unfiled casper change for -mid.  I've not reviewed the list of bugs against our packages.  Is midbrowser working again?
[16:36] <lool> persia: Do you think I can close https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-meta/+bug/274832 at this point, or should I just fix commit it?
[16:36] <lool> I think it's in, so fix released would fit, but didn't verfy myself
[16:36] <lool> persia: I think we can now close https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-meta/+bug/274753
[16:36] <persia> Yes, it's Fix Released.  I don't know if the fix solves networking on the Q1 (can't test).
[16:37] <persia> I just considered that closed as a dup.  It can be explicitly closed if you like.
[16:37] <ogra> filipegarcia, ok, is that cosistent ?
[16:37] <filipegarcia> yes
[16:37] <ogra> then drop the three lines we added to the .fdi again
[16:38] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:39] <ogra> and see if it moves in the right directions
[16:39] <ogra> dont care about accuracy yet, thats calibration we'll tackle later
[16:39] <ogra> only the axes are intresting
[16:40] <filipegarcia> same thing
[16:40] <filipegarcia> up=down left=right
[16:40] <ogra> hrm
[16:40] <ogra> you dropped the three lines ?
[16:40] <ogra> and rebooted ?
[16:41] <filipegarcia> yea
[16:41] <filipegarcia> both
[16:42] <ogra> if you add the swapy line again, does anything change ?
[16:42] <filipegarcia> will see
[16:44] <filipegarcia> same thing
[16:45] <lool> persia: Err right, it's a dup; got it from last release meeting's log
[16:45] <ogra> still up=down left=right
[16:45] <ogra> ?
[16:45] <filipegarcia> yeap
[16:45] <lool> persia: Looks like all bugs mentionned at last release meeting are fix released, which is nice!
[16:45] <ogra> then drop the module option again from /etc/modprobe.d/options
[16:45] <ogra> that apparently didnt help
[16:45] <lool> persia: So nothing particular to report to release team, apart that we'd like to switch -mid to --automatic mode?
[16:45] <filipegarcia> well now is ip=down
[16:46] <filipegarcia> before that was up=right
[16:46] <persia> Well, we'd like to switch to --automatic mode *after* we sort 280014.  That's it for me, but I've only been playing with the installer, and haven't done much usage testing.
[16:46] <ogra> right, so drop the module setting, and add the rotate line back
[16:46] <ogra> that should keep the axes correct, but rotate clockwise
[16:47] <filipegarcia> and still keep the swapy ??
[16:48] <ogra> no, drop all swap things
[16:48] <ogra> only keep the rotate
[16:48] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:48] <persia> lool, Have you been using -mid?  Do you know if we've any other showstoppers?
[16:49] <filipegarcia> and now up=right
[16:49] <lool> persia: I can't think of any
[16:50] <ogra> filipegarcia, and right ?
[16:50] <lool> persia: jax10 is poorly supported, but I think that's acceptable, and I need to retest with lrm
[16:50] <filipegarcia> right=up
[16:50] <persia> lool, OK.  Then I think we're good.  There might be issues with testing, but as RC is really our first big round of testing, that's only to be expected.
[16:50] <ogra> weird
[16:50] <persia> Yeah.  D4 too :(
[16:51] <ogra> so down = left, left = down i guess
[16:51] <filipegarcia> yes
[16:51]  * ogra tries to imagine what filipegarcia is seeing :)
[16:51] <ogra> my brain melts :)
[16:51] <filipegarcia> lol
[16:52] <ogra> change "cw" to "ccw" in the rotate line
[16:52] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:52] <persia> lool, 281100 is probably interesting to you, but already on the list.
[16:53] <filipegarcia> same thing
[16:53] <filipegarcia> up=right
[16:53] <filipegarcia> down=left
[16:55] <ogra> hrm
[16:55] <ogra> can i see your current lshal again  =
[16:55] <ogra> ?
[16:55] <filipegarcia> shure
[16:57] <filipegarcia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56027/
[16:58] <bugabundo_work1> you guys still at it ?? uau
[16:58]  * ogra wonders why the rotate doesnt do anything at all
[16:59] <ogra> ccw should have reversed the cw behavior
[16:59] <bugabundo_work1> guys good luck. let me know how it goes.
[16:59] <bugabundo_work1> time for me to go
[16:59] <bugabundo_work1> [[]]
[17:00] <filipegarcia> can i try the rotation in the modprobe ?
[17:00] <bugabundo_work1> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[17:00] <ogra> nope, the kernel driver doesnt have a rotate option
[17:00] <ogra> oh, wait !
[17:00] <filipegarcia> bugabundo_work1: ok, and again. thank you
[17:00] <ogra> you might need to capitalize the CW or CCW
[17:00] <ogra> try that
[17:00] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:00] <ogra> big letters :)
[17:00] <bugabundo_work1> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[17:02] <filipegarcia> i put CW and is now up=right so changed to CCW
[17:03] <filipegarcia> but
[17:03] <filipegarcia> same thing
[17:04] <ogra> still up=right ?
[17:04] <filipegarcia> yes
[17:06] <filipegarcia> with CW and CCW
[17:07]  * ogra looks at the driver code
[17:09] <filipegarcia> i didn't thought that this gave so many work
[17:10] <ogra> so the code definately looks for capitalized CW/CCW
[17:11] <ogra> try to make : rotate being Rotate
[17:11] <ogra> in the .fdi file
[17:11] <ogra> with a big R
[17:11] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:13] <ogra> so i doubt that will change a thing
[17:13] <filipegarcia> by the way, what's the difference between using the fdi and the xorg.conf ??
[17:13] <filipegarcia> yeah same thing
[17:14] <filipegarcia> up=right
[17:15] <ogra> xorg.conf mostly ignores input settings by default nowadays, and the new calibration tool uses hal
[17:15] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:16] <ogra> but it looks to me like the rotation isnt respected at all
[17:16] <ogra> which is weird, since i find it in all documents for that device
[17:16] <ogra> and it looks like its being used in the code as well
[17:18] <ogra> if you add the swapX (not Y) how does it change ?
[17:18] <ogra> (leave CW in)
[17:18] <filipegarcia> in others tutorials the where using rotate cw and swapy =1
[17:18] <filipegarcia> will try that
[17:19] <ogra> yes, we tried that first "rotate cw and swapy =1 " :)
[17:19] <ogra> bt you said it didnt change the axes
[17:19] <filipegarcia> yeap
[17:20] <filipegarcia> can it be because swapy is not swapY ?
[17:20] <ogra> shouldnt, but try it
[17:20] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:21] <ogra> it shouldnt make any difference if the variables are capitalized or not
[17:21] <ogra> for the values it might though
[17:22] <ogra> but try it, you have the device :)
[17:23] <ogra> i cant help much apart from giving you the options ...
[17:23] <filipegarcia> well
[17:23] <filipegarcia> swapX and swapY is the same
[17:23] <filipegarcia> up=right
[17:23] <filipegarcia> down=left
[17:24] <ogra> try them capitalized
[17:24] <ogra> SwapX or SwapY
[17:24] <filipegarcia> ohh
[17:24] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:25] <ogra> but i doubt it will change a thing
[17:30] <filipegarcia> so swapy=Swapy=SwapY=swapY
[17:30] <filipegarcia> also with the X
[17:30] <filipegarcia> the same
[17:30] <filipegarcia> up=right
[17:30] <ogra> and left right didnt change either ?
[17:31] <filipegarcia> nop
[17:35] <ogra> i'm out of ideas :(
[17:36] <ogra> the rotate option should definately have an effect ... it doesnt though
[17:36] <filipegarcia> this guy is using the same monitor
[17:36] <filipegarcia> http://ihc.silverskar.se/2007/10/making-l1730sf-touchscreen-work-on.html
[17:36] <filipegarcia> but i guess is an older ubuntu version
[17:37] <ogra> well, thats what i was looking at first :)
[17:37] <filipegarcia> yeah
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MinX" "295"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MinY" "200"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MaxX" "3815"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MaxY" "3948"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "ReportingMode" "Raw"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "Emulate3Buttons"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "SendCoreEvents" "On"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "Rotate" "cw"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "SwapY" "1"
[17:37] <ogra> and we did set all these values exactly the same way
[17:38] <ogra> and apparently your lshal output reflects it
[17:38] <filipegarcia> yes
[17:38] <ogra> the prob is that the rotate is ignored
[17:39] <filipegarcia> in my lshal it talk about usbtouchscreen driver
[17:39] <ogra> yes
[17:39] <filipegarcia> is it normal
[17:39] <ogra> alias:          mtouchusb
[17:39] <ogra> alias:          itmtouch
[17:39] <ogra> alias:          touchkitusb
[17:39] <ogra> thats what modinfo usbtouchscreen reports
[17:40] <ogra> itmtouch is included in it, which is what your touchscreen uses
[17:40] <ogra> and at least the swap_xy parameter worked
[17:40] <ogra> so the kernel driver is correct
[17:40] <filipegarcia> i see
[17:44] <ogra> can you for laughs run the calibration tool and see what it does with your axes ?
[17:44] <ogra> its in System->Administration
[17:45] <ogra> the code seems to forcefully ignore rotate in calibration mode, i wonder if it behaves different
[17:45] <filipegarcia> i try before the touchcal
[17:45] <filipegarcia> but i have nothing in system->admin
[17:46] <ogra> you are on the ubuntu-mobile image, right ?
[17:46] <filipegarcia> no
[17:46] <ogra> erm
[17:46] <filipegarcia> :$
[17:47] <filipegarcia> sorry
[17:47] <ogra> but you are on intrepid ?
[17:47] <filipegarcia> in ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[17:47] <ogra> gah
[17:47] <ogra> well, then all we did cant work
[17:47] <ogra> the new calibration tool and hal input stuff is only in intrepid
[17:48] <ogra> sigh, i should have asked that first ... sily me
[17:48] <persia> at least it makes sense now :)
[17:48] <filipegarcia> i told to bugabundo that
[17:48] <filipegarcia> i should told to you also
[17:48] <ogra> persia, yeah, after 3h :P
[17:48] <filipegarcia> sorry
[17:48] <ogra> nah, my fault
[17:48] <ogra> i sholdnt make assumptions :)
[17:49] <ogra> especially not while supporting people
[17:49] <filipegarcia> specially people that don't understand a thing you are supporting
[17:50] <filipegarcia> what you are supporting
[17:50] <ogra> intrepid :)
[17:50] <ogra> (8.10)
[17:50] <filipegarcia> should i try that?
[17:50] <ogra> only that has the hal-input fixes and new evtouch calibration
[17:50] <Celtiore> hi from france
[17:51] <Celtiore> nothing new about aigo p8860 or compal jax10 about touchscreen ?
[17:51] <ogra> filipegarcia, if you like to :) 8.10 will release end of the month and is largely stable
[17:51] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:51] <persia> Celtiore, I think it's still not working :(  You might try the latest daily, but I think there's a driver issue.
[17:52] <ogra> yeah, no free driver for the touchscreen
[17:52]  * ogra would love a jax10 to actually poke on that
[17:52] <Celtiore> i see
[17:53] <filipegarcia> well the work day is over now. will download in the weekend and on monday will tell you something
[17:53] <filipegarcia> thank so much for you time ogra
[17:53] <Celtiore> persia, can you give me the weblink for the daily build ?
[17:53] <Celtiore> i don't have save it
[17:53] <persia> Celtiore, /topic
[17:54] <Celtiore> lol
[17:54] <Celtiore> thanks you
[17:54] <ogra> filipegarcia, well, thanks for the lshal data, i can at least add a file for your device to intrepid
[17:54] <ogra> filipegarcia, and indeed feedback for intrepid is appreciated ;)
[17:54] <Celtiore> i need mid or mobile ? for aigo p8860 ? :p
[17:55] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:55] <filipegarcia> you will hear from me again on monday :)
[17:55] <filipegarcia> thank you
[17:56] <ogra> cool, thanks :)
[18:00] <persia> Celtiore, I'd recommend -mid for the Aigo, but you might like -mobile.
[18:13] <Celtiore> ok thanks you
[18:28] <Celtiore> persia, mid img : fatal server error / no screens found !
[18:29] <persia> Yeah, it doesn't support the pouslbo video chipset.  Unfortunately, the drivers don't work with the intrepid version of X.
[18:30] <Celtiore> lol
[18:30] <persia> You can force it to use the vesa driver.  One way to do that is to add 'Driver "vesa"' to the display device setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[18:30] <Celtiore> i'm very lucky
[18:30] <Celtiore> touchscreen driver closed
[18:30] <persia> You can get there with Alt-F2, and stop it switching back to the error with `sudo stop session`
[18:31] <Celtiore> thanks you i try later
[18:31] <persia> Once you've editing xorg.conf, you can use `sudo start session` to bring up the desktop.  I have to do the same on my D4 :(
[18:31] <Celtiore> thanks you
[18:33] <persia> Celtiore, No, thanks for helping test.  You're one of the primary testers on real hardware at this point, as not too many people have MIDs on which Ubuntu can be installed.
[18:34]  * ogra hopes Celtiore at least paid a decent price :P
[18:34] <ogra> but by own experience the non working HW is usually the most expensive :)
[18:36] <persia> ogra, Unfortunately commonly.  Mine was cheap, but it came with strings.
[19:10] <Celtiore> persia, working, wrong resolution but working
[19:10] <Celtiore> i have another question
[19:10] <Celtiore> where is the application who display all the icons on the desktop ?
[19:10] <persia> What's that?
[19:11] <persia> It's called kourou.
[19:13] <Celtiore> thanks you
[22:13] <Nanojit> Is there something like a changelog for the ubuntu mobile images?
[22:14] <persia> Nanojit, Not really.  There are changelogs for the individual packages, but the daily images are just snapshots of the archive state at the same time every day.
[22:15] <Nanojit> Ok...
[22:15] <persia> Nanojit, Are you looking for something specific?
[22:15] <persia> Or just a list of changes on a regular basis?
[22:16] <Nanojit> persia, Nope.. Just wanted to know if there was some kind of changelog with highlights from one snapshot to the other.
[22:17] <persia> No.  There's the intrepid-changes list that describes all the changes happening to intrepid over time, but nothing flavour-specific.
[22:18] <Nanojit> What's that list's url?
[22:18] <persia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Intrepid-changes
[22:19] <Nanojit> Thanks.
[22:19] <persia> Be warned, it's not exactly a low-traffic list.  Set up your filter *before* you subscribe.
[22:19] <persia> (well, some days it's low traffic, but sometimes you'll get 100 emails in 5 minutes)
[22:20] <Nanojit> I'll just browse the online archives. :p
[22:22] <persia> Nanojit, That works :)


[06:57] <pleia2> ok, newsletter sent off to editors
[06:57]  * pleia2 frowns at clock
[06:57] <pleia2> probably should have handed this off for oscon week
[17:28] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue326
[17:33] <Pendulum> is anyone in the wiki?
[17:41] <Unit193> Meh, theregister.co.uk doesn't like HEAD requests.  All good.
[17:42] <pleia2> thanks Unit193
[17:43] <Unit193> Sure.
[17:45] <Pendulum> pleia2: I've proofread
[17:52] <pleia2> Pendulum: thanks! :)
[20:39] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue326
[22:37] <pleia2> jose: made you an administrator on the fridge
[22:58] <pleia2> jose: if you can find some time, could use some comment and junk user deleting
[22:58] <pleia2> most of it is junk :\


[15:43] <s7habo> Hi people!  Did someone from you experiencing mouse dragging freeze wenn using Krita on ubuntu Studio 15.10?
[15:46] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: looking into it now...
[15:46] <s7habo> If I try to drag Krita window, mouse cursor stucks on drag symbol and mouse keys cannot be used any more. Only help for me was to restart lightdm. :(
[15:47] <s7habo> ok thx sakrecoer
[15:47] <sakrecoer_> hmm... i see you do this in 15.10... i have no availbale install with that version ATM
[15:47] <s7habo> ok
[15:48] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: so, its when you are moving the entire krita window? not just dragging the cursor in the middle of the window?
[15:48] <s7habo> moving entire Krita window
[15:48] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: such as alt+mouse click to move window?
[15:48] <s7habo> yes
[15:49] <sakrecoer_> what version of krita is it?
[15:49] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: in help menu> about
[15:49] <s7habo> 2.9.7
[15:50] <s7habo> and I had similar problem with SMplayer too
[15:51] <sakrecoer_> ok thanks... do you mind editing your repport to add the detail of "alt-click drag?" otherwise no one will be able to reproduce it...
[15:51] <s7habo> ok
[15:51] <sakrecoer_> thanks :)
[15:53] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: do you have nvidia things installed?
[15:53] <s7habo> yes
[15:54] <sakrecoer_> ok... i'm not saying its becuase of that... but its good know... i will try reproduce it tonight...
[15:56] <s7habo> thx a lot sakrecoer!
[15:58] <s7habo> bdw. someone has similar problem on ask ubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/701119/xfce-drag-and-drop-pointer-stuck-on-some-windows.
[16:05] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: good to know :)
[16:07] <sakrecoer_> s7habo: your keybpard also freeze like that person on askubuntu?
[16:08] <s7habo> no, I can use keyboard and move mouse cursor, but cannot use mouse keys.
[16:09] <sakrecoer_> will it happen in other KDE packages like Kdenlive?
[16:10] <s7habo> I'll try tu test it now
[16:10] <s7habo> moment
[16:11] <s7habo> no i cannot reproduce it with Kdenlive
[16:18] <s7habo> hi sakecoer, just i was able to reproduce it with SMplayer
[16:19] <sakrecoer_> s7habo_: ok thanks a lot!! i will look into it later tonight :)
[16:19] <s7habo_> ok. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me!
[16:20] <sakrecoer_> cool! i doubt it will be fixed by me, but i will try to reproduce it and then find someone who may fix it :)
[16:22] <s7habo_> great, thx!


[03:48] <cameron_C> Hi, how to deploy a service to lxc auto select the machine or add a new machine with lxc?
[07:31] <gnuoy> jamespage, morning, we need to define an interface for the peer relation for the openstack api charms. Each Openstack API charm uniquely names the interface atm (eg keystone-ha, nova-ha, neutron-api-ha etc). I propose that we create an openstack-ha interface and have new charms use that. Sound ok?
[08:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, well so long as the interface uses the same data semantics, I think its ok to use a single type
[08:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, so we might endup with charms that have two peer relations - one general, one specific
[08:33] <jamespage> but leader storage should avoid most of that
[08:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, can you take a peek at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317910/
[08:33] <jamespage> its the peer to one that's already landed in ceph-mon
[08:34] <jamespage> gnuoy, I also have a few stragglers for a general charm helpers resync across master and stable charms yesterday
[08:34] <jamespage> I'll fix those up this morning
[09:26] <jamespage> gnuoy, hey - could you nudge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318220/
[09:27] <jamespage> beisner and I agreed not todo full rechecks for the syncs...
[09:28] <gnuoy> jamespage, done...
[09:28] <jamespage> ta
[10:38] <jamespage> gnuoy, governance review ressurected and companion email sent to openstack-dev!
[10:38] <jamespage> here we come ....
[10:38] <jamespage> that was worth an extra dot
[10:43] <jamespage> gnuoy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318231/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318221/ are good to go
[10:43] <jamespage> beisner, I had to create some offical charm branches on launchpad to get the stable amulet tests to pass...
[11:07] <beisner> jamespage, oh yah, i suspect for the newbies, mon, lxd, et al?
[11:08] <beisner> jamespage, this --> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:switch-to-bundletester   should allow us to use the version of amulet that contains the git branch fix.
[11:08] <beisner> ie. be able to resurrect that change review you took a stab at a while back
[11:24] <beisner> welcome back, gnuoy :)
[11:25] <beisner> jamespage, ceph-osd + odl-controller stable sync passed, ready to land?
[12:10] <jamespage> beisner, yes
[12:11] <beisner> gnuoy got 'em
[12:12] <gnuoy> I did!
[12:12] <kjackal> Hey lazyPower
[12:12] <kjackal> Quick questio
[12:12] <kjackal> where does the kibana charm live?
[12:13] <kjackal> its source?
[12:14] <jamespage> gnuoy, beisner: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317910/
[12:15] <gnuoy> done
[12:15] <beisner> jamespage, curious - are ceph-mon or -osd affected similarly?
[12:16] <beisner> asked, with my 'keep the cephs in alignment' hat on
[12:19] <jamespage> beisner, erm for which?
[12:19] <jamespage> beisner, oh -mon already fixed; ceph is the sync
[12:19] <jamespage> then I'll stable branch cherry pick them both
[12:20] <jamespage> beisner, no - -osd was effected - not -mon
[12:20] <jamespage> that's the other one...
[12:21] <beisner> well look, there it is :-)
[12:25] <jamespage> beisner, gnuoy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317313/
[12:25] <jamespage> that should sort out the deployment race for the landscape team
[12:54] <lazyPower> kjackal - i based my branch off of the upstream charmer repo - https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/kibana/trunk
[12:54] <kjackal> lazyPower, I have a fix for the Kibana test that is failing
[12:55] <kjackal> should I submit the fix upstream? Is it well maintained?
[12:55] <kjackal> is it maintained by us?
[12:55] <kjackal> never checked
[12:57] <jcastro> hey lazyPower
[12:57] <jcastro> are you on the latest beta?
[12:58] <lazyPower> i am
[12:58] <jcastro> do you have any issues with it getting stuck on creating units with "pending"?
[12:59] <lazyPower> not with the clouds, i haven't been using LXD
[12:59] <lazyPower> so ymmv
[12:59] <tvansteenburgh> i'm on lxd, no probs
[12:59] <jcastro> huh.
[12:59] <lazyPower> kjackal well... yeah :)
[13:00] <lazyPower> but i wouldn't say its well maintained. its a long lived charm. As i'm sure you can tell poking around in there its long in the tooth
[13:00] <lazyPower> prior to this last round of updates, i think icey upgraded it to kibana4, so its got a few hands looking after it
[13:17] <jcastro> tvansteenburgh: do you leave your deployments running for a long period of time?
[13:17] <jcastro> seems for me it only acts up when I leave it running overnight
[13:18] <magicaltrout> don't answer! its a trap!
[13:18] <tvansteenburgh> jcastro: yeah, overnight quite a bit
[13:21] <lazyPower> kjackal - with these pr's are you still seeing the failure wrt the relations?
[13:22] <kjackal> Nope! Everything is GREEN :)
[13:22] <lazyPower> Solid, thanks for the contributions
[13:22] <lazyPower> I'm not real excited about the sleeps... but i see why its a pain. I had intermittent failures during test runs myself because of that
[13:22] <lazyPower> we kind of need a more deterministic way to sniff that out
[13:35] <jcastro> anyone know where actions went in 2.0?
[13:35] <jcastro> list-actions and juju actions are missing now
[13:36] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16506582/
[13:36] <lazyPower> i call schenanigans
[13:36] <magicaltrout> bugg@tomsdevbox:~$ juju list-actions joshua-decoder
[13:36] <magicaltrout> No actions defined for joshua-decoder
[13:36] <magicaltrout> does something for me
[13:37] <jcastro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16506594/
[13:37] <jcastro> what's happening to me
[13:37] <magicaltrout> indeed jorge! thats a very prudent question
[13:38] <tvansteenburgh> well are you gonna specify a service name??
[13:38] <magicaltrout> i am on beta4 so they may have gone away
[13:38] <magicaltrout> ah yeah lol
[13:38] <kjackal> Ok, lazyPower! The patch for the failing Kibana test is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/kibana/+bug/1576706
[13:38] <mup> Bug #1576706: Tests are failure prone <kibana (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576706>
[13:38] <jcastro> oh, lol
[13:38] <lazyPower> kjackal on it
[13:38] <lazyPower> jcastro - i love how it told you what was wrong xD
[13:39] <tvansteenburgh> never underestimate the power of reading
[13:39] <jcastro> in my defense I was following instructions for a charm written for 1.25
[13:40] <jcastro> $ juju action do spark/0 smoke-test
[13:40] <jcastro> ERROR unrecognized command: juju action
[13:40] <tvansteenburgh> defense rejected
[13:40] <tvansteenburgh> run-action
[13:40]  * jcastro nods
[13:41] <lazyPower> ooo tim swingin the gavel of readme/2.0-translation justice
[13:41] <tvansteenburgh> Juju Judge Judy
[13:41] <jcastro> and to get the results of an action?
[13:41] <jcastro> it's not in the devel docs
[13:41] <tvansteenburgh> show-action-output
[13:42] <tvansteenburgh> show-action-status for just the status
[13:42] <jcastro> man, I am really missing tab completion now
[13:43] <tvansteenburgh> mine still works
[13:44] <jcastro> I am failing at computers today it seems
[13:46] <jcastro> cory_fu: hey so I got bigdata-dev/apache-processing-spark running, the readme says it's a standalone cluster, but the status for spark says it's waiting for a relation to hadoop plugin
[13:48] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: how long should CI test results stay around? I'm seeing runs less than 2 weeks old go 404 on me: https://code.launchpad.net/~timkuhlman/charms/trusty/rsyslog-forwarder-ha/nrpe/+merge/292987
[13:48] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: not unusual, it only keeps the latest 300 iirc. the new revq caches the results forever
[13:49] <cory_fu> kjackal: Is that status message a known issue with that bundle?  ^
[13:49] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: ack. I will make an offering of redbull and daycare to the revq gods in that case.
[13:54] <tvansteenburgh> aisrael: those gods prefer beer and pipe tobacco i think
[14:01] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: I fixed the charm references in the bigtop repo's tests, built and published the charms, and updated the bundle in the bigtop repo & store.  So, both the PR and store are updated.
[14:01] <Shruthima> Hi All, I am developing IBM-Http Server on top of IBM-IM layer, Can we have separate license for HTTP server are do we need to use only one license that we are getting from ibm-base layer....?
[14:05] <Shruthima> Actually we are facing one issue when we use common license i.e when we use this state in reactive of HTTP server  @when ('ibm-http-server.installed') @when_not ('ibm-base.license.accepted')   and the below states in reactive of ibm-im  @when ('ibm-im.installed') @when_not ('ibm-base.license.accepted')
[14:05] <Shruthima> it is picking randomly ibm-im state first and then ibm-http  which should not happen bec IBM-Installation Manager will not be uninstalled till the products installed through IM are uninstalled.
[14:06] <Shruthima> Could you please suggest on the same....
[14:10] <tvansteenburgh> Shruthima: if the conditions for multiple handlers are true, you can't know which will run first
[14:11] <Shruthima> ya that is the issue ,can we use seperate license for http server ?
[14:13] <tvansteenburgh> Shruthima: i'm not sure that is the right solution
[14:14] <kjackal> jcastro, I am looking at the bundle issue
[14:14] <Shruthima> tvansteenburgh: ok thanks
[14:14] <kjackal> how urgent is it?
[14:15] <jcastro> kjackal: average I guess? I am blogging about it
[14:15] <jcastro> but don't expect to publish it until closer to juju 2.0
[14:15] <kjackal> jcastro, thanks
[14:43] <dweaver> Anyone know how to recover juju state server when it thinks it is upgrading after a reboot?
[14:45] <dweaver> Would upgrading the tools to a later version and starting the jujud service solve it, or is there somewhere in mongo that needs to be tweaked?
[14:55] <Shruthima> Hi kwmonroe/mbruzek , I have sent an email regarding the issue with common license.. could you please suggest on the same....!!
[15:01] <kwmonroe> hi Shruthima, the thought with a single config variable for the license in the ibm-base layer is that setting this to "True" would indicate that the user accepts whatever terms and conditions the charm requires -- whether it's one license or multiple licenses.
[15:02] <kwmonroe> Shruthima: so yes, the http server can have a separate license.  in the http server README, you would simply say "ibm http server requires the acceptance of license X, Y, and Z.  if you agree, indicate your acceptance of these terms by entering "juju set <charm> license_accepted=True"'
[15:03] <kwmonroe> Shruthima: i'll follow up to your email and we can decide if more thought is necessary to handle multiple licenses in your layered charms.
[15:04] <Shruthima> kwmonroe: oh ok thanks :)
[15:04] <kwmonroe> np
[15:08] <lazyPower> dweaver ah thats a tricky one. I've only seen fixes to "unstick" an upgrade
[15:08] <lazyPower> not when it thinks its upgrading erroniously
[15:24] <dweaver> lazyPower, OK, that's not good news.  It thinks it should be upgrading and this was only after a reboot of the state server, not an upgrade request. I am prepared to modify the mongo database or fiddle with the versions installed myself.  However, if this is not recoverable at all, then this is going to be a show stopper.  And this is likely to be published as this is a case study
[15:25] <lazyPower> dweaver - dont abandon hope yet, we can likely get a core dev to lend a hand. I'm not even sure where to begin debugging other than starting with a bug and collecting the controller logs.
[15:25] <lazyPower> dweaver - which version of juju is this? 1.25.5 i assume?
[15:25] <dweaver> lazyPower, OK, I'll raise a proper bug with lots of log information, it's actually 1.25.0, which means I can force an upgrade manually, if I need to.
[15:32] <lazyPower> can i get a hot review on this? I need to land it so i can rebase on top of it and prep/trim/rebase the tls branch on top of it. https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-etcd/pull/13
[15:32] <lazyPower> mbruzek ^
[15:40] <xilet> So, I am new to working with juju, it looks like the cs branch of ~openstack-charmers-next/xenial/percona-cluster is out of date with the current branch. So mysql deployments are failing due to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/percona-cluster/+bug/1571789,   I was curious a.) if this is something that should be reported somewhere, and b.) is there a way to force change over juju to use the up
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1571789: install hook failing on Xenial with unmet dependency on mysql-client <uosci> <percona-cluster (Juju Charms Collection):Fix Released by 1chb1n> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571789>
[15:40] <xilet> dated branch in the meantime?
[15:42] <beisner> xilet, fyi https://jujucharms.com/u/openstack-charmers/percona-cluster/xenial   (cs:~openstack-charmers/xenial/percona-cluster-0)  does contain the fix
[15:42] <beisner> fyi, the -next charms are dev/possibly-bloody versions
[15:44] <xilet> Good to know, stupid question, any idea why ubuntu 16.04 LTS ships with those as the defaults?
[15:47] <stokachu> beisner: xilet, there is the latest openstack package in xenial-proposed that fixes this
[15:47] <stokachu> as for the next question it was because those stable charms were released after xenial GA
[15:47] <beisner> stokachu, excellent.   thanks for the clarification.   so, a change is in flight to stabilize it in xenial main.
[15:48] <stokachu> beisner: yea soon as someone marks verification-done on the sru
[15:49] <stokachu> beisner: xilet, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openstack/+bug/1576412
[15:49] <mup> Bug #1576412: package does not use released charms <verification-needed> <openstack (Ubuntu):Fix Released by adam-stokes> <openstack (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576412>
[15:50] <xilet> stokachu: thanks!
[15:51] <stokachu> though i was just made aware of some issues with ceph-osd which I think are being worked out now
[15:51] <stokachu> but that wont require an update to openstack package
[15:51] <lazyPower> dweaver - just a follow up - many of our team members are at a planning sprint and thus responses have been latent. I'm trying to track someone down to lend a hand
[15:52] <lazyPower> it may take some time however, if you're willing to be patient and hand off the bug once its filed i'll be happy to run it up the pole
[15:52] <geetha> @kevin/matt: Hi!
[15:53] <mbruzek> hello
[15:53] <geetha> we need a clarification for state names that are set by interface. For ex: Websphere is connecting to DB2 and metadat.yaml file in Websphere charm has 'requires' definition and relation name as 'db' so in reactive script we are using state name as 'db.available'. But you suggested to use state name as 'ibm-was-base.db.available', if we give relation name as 'ibm-wa-base.db' in metadata.yaml, it's giving me error.
[15:54] <xilet> Should "juju upgrade-charm --force-units  mysql --switch=cs:~openstack-charmers/xenial/percona-cluster-0" pull the correct version of mysql? I am still getting the error though juju status is showing the new repo.  (Not sure if I have the correct syntax)
[15:58] <mbruzek> geetha: In this case "db" is the relation name, that has nothing to do with state names.
[15:58] <geetha> If I use same relation name i.e, 'db' in both(WAS and DB2) metadata.yaml file, it's not giving me any conflicts and state names set by interface is 'db.available' in both charms(without layer name prefix) is that ok?
[15:58] <mbruzek> geetha: kwmonroe and I recommended using the layer prefix (dot) state name.
[15:59] <dweaver> lazyPower, yes, willing to be patient, thanks.  I'll ping you with a bug ID once it is submitted with all the info.  Will be most appreciative thanks.
[15:59] <mbruzek> geetha: I think we have a disconnect here. We were not recommending renaming the relation name.
[15:59] <mbruzek> and I don't think relation names can have dots in there.
[16:00] <mbruzek> dot/period etc
[16:00] <mbruzek> geetha: can you give me a code example? Perhaps I don't understand your question
[16:01] <lazyPower> An interface name is a string that must only contain characters a-z and -, and neither start nor end with -. It's the single determiner of compatibility between charms; and it carries with it nothing more than a mutual promise that the provider and requirer somehow know the communication protocol implied by the name.
[16:01] <mbruzek> pastebin or something
[16:01] <lazyPower> mbruzek - thats what i found here
[16:01] <lazyPower> mbruzek and typically they are decorated with @hook('{relation_name}-joined')
[16:02] <lazyPower> that hook decorator string is run through some helpful templating functions in reactive to expand that relation_name to expand to whatever you have defined in metadata
[16:02] <lazyPower> so in this example, it should probably be declared in metadata like so
[16:03] <lazyPower> requires:   db2-database: ibm-db2
[16:03] <lazyPower> where db2-database would be the relationship name
[16:03] <lazyPower> so the state would become @when('db2-database.available')
[16:03] <lazyPower> geetha ^ does that help?
[16:04] <lazyPower> and i totally biffed on that @hook decorator code... its not *that* simple, there's a bit more to it, and it declares the interface inline like so: @hook('{provides:db2}-relation-joined') --- sorry for the typo. i was going from memory :)
[16:04] <geetha> then it will be 'db2-database.available'. there is no <layer name > prefix right?
[16:05] <lazyPower> geetha - right, its all predicated by what you name it in the metadata
[16:05] <geetha> it will take what ever relation name we give in metadata.yaml file.
[16:05] <lazyPower> the <layer name> prefix is a convention we use in the layers, when setting states so we can avoid collision with other layers. Similar care should be taken when defining relationship names
[16:08] <lazyPower> geetha - here's a super simple interface class that illustrates the code i was typing out above https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-consul/blob/master/provides.py#L11.  Notice the use of that same template marco teh '{relation_name}' -  that expands and controls the states you will subscribe to in your layer.
[16:12] <gennadiy> hi guys
[16:14] <beisner> dimitern, jamespage - "install error: private-address not set" artifact and traceback on bug 1583109
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1583109: error: private-address/public-address not set (1.25.5) <sts> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583109>
[16:14] <geetha> Then we can give 'ibm-was-base-database' as a relation name in Websphere side right?
[16:14] <gennadiy> i can't bootstrap juju for openstack environment
[16:14] <jamespage> beisner, \o/
[16:15] <gennadiy> we have deployed openstack and would like to use juju to deploy software to it
[16:15] <geetha> then it will be @when 'ibm-was-base-database.available'
[16:15] <dimitern> beisner: you mean you got repro + trace logging? \o/ indeed!
[16:15] <beisner> dimitern, yessir
[16:15] <gennadiy> but now i have got error  ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:429 cannot set initial environ constraints: index file has no data for cloud {regionOne http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5000/v2.0/} not found
[16:16] <dimitern> beisner: awesome! tyvm, will have a look shortly
[16:16] <gennadiy> it happens when it setups tools on machine 0
[16:16] <gennadiy> i run it with: juju bootstrap -v --upload-tools --metadata-source /home/juju/.juju --debug --show-log
[16:16] <lazyPower> gennadiy is this juju 1.25?
[16:16] <beisner> machine-0.log is 11+MB and I'd like to turn trace off now if that gives you what you're after dimitern
[16:17] <dimitern> beisner: can you point me to the log?
[16:17] <dimitern> (too many logs there..)
[16:18] <gennadiy> yes, it's 1.25
[16:18] <gennadiy> do i need to reinstall?
[16:19] <lazyPower> i'm not certain, i've never seen that error before
[16:19] <dimitern> beisner: ah, got it - 0-var-log.tar.bz2
[16:19] <gennadiy> our openstack has own regionname - regionOne
[16:19] <beisner> bingo dimitern
[16:19] <gennadiy> so we need to use custom --metadata-source
[16:19] <lazyPower> gennadiy  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1567763
[16:19] <mup> Bug #1567763: bootstrapping private openstack, with --metadata-source fails when instance-type constraint is specified <bootstrap> <constraints> <simplestreams> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567763>
[16:20] <gennadiy> i can't bootstrap env
[16:21] <lazyPower> right i get that, it seems like theres some streams you'll have to setup because of it but i'm not positive
[16:21] <lazyPower> but that bug looks applicable
[16:21] <gennadiy> but i don't use "--constraints"
[16:22] <dimitern> beisner: great, the log has everything I need (and suspected as the cause) - feel free to reset the logging-config to lower level
[16:22] <beisner> dimitern, ack tyvm
[16:23] <gennadiy> i used this tutorial - https://blog.felipe-alfaro.com/2014/04/29/bootstraping-juju-on-top-of-an-openstack-private-cloud/
[16:23] <gennadiy> i added image to openstack and generated metadata
[16:30] <jcastro> bdx: ping
[16:32] <dweaver> lazyPower, The bug is submitted here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1583683 log files are uploaded to the bug.
[16:32] <mup> Bug #1583683: juju thinks it is upgrading after a reboot <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583683>
[16:52] <lazyPower> dweaver - thanks for the bug. I'll send this over to the appropriate parties. You should get updates via email as the bug gets triaged/worked. That'll be our focal point for resolution/updates.
[17:04] <xilet> Hrmm cs:~openstack-charmers/xenial/percona-cluster-0  has the same mysql-client issue
[17:18] <gennadiy> why remote bootstrapped machine does't use provided image-metadata-url?
[17:18] <gennadiy> seems it tryiesto use https://streams.canonical.com/juju/images/releases/streams/v1/index2.json
[17:18] <beisner> hi xilet - i just did a juju bootstrap ... then juju deploy cs:~openstack-charmers/xenial/percona-cluster-0 to check/confirm sanity of that charm and it looks good from that:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16510376/    are you sure that charm is what is deployed?
[17:19] <gennadiy> i see in the log - " skipping index "http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/index.sjson" because of missing information: index file has no data for cloud {regionOne http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5000/v2.0/} not found" but i have provided own url - http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8888/
[17:26] <xilet>  beisner checking,
[18:20] <bdx> hows it going everyone? Have vlan tenant networks on a lxd openstack been verified as something that should work? Has anyone got their feet wet in this area yet, or is it just me?
[19:52] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: you'll know the answer to this
[19:52] <magicaltrout> if I use a layer like https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-hadoop-client
[19:53] <magicaltrout> do I need to define the provides/requires stuff in metadata.yaml ?
[19:53] <magicaltrout> or does layers just sort that stuff out
[19:53] <lazyPower> it sorts it out as the metadata.yaml is already there
[19:54] <lazyPower> and it declares the interfaces in its layer.yaml
[19:54] <lazyPower> so it should be a single line include
[19:54] <magicaltrout> ta
[19:57] <magicaltrout> ooh yeah so it does
[19:57] <magicaltrout> funky stuff
[20:05] <Dirler>  Hi All, if I have kvm machines listed in “virsh list” but not listed in “juju status” for kvm environment,  Can I add such machines in juju kvm environment?
[20:06] <Dirler> p.s. such machines can exist in some scenarios: deployed using libvirt api directly, was exist before juju installation and so on.
[20:58] <penguinRaider> Hi, I am using juju to deploy ceph using the command juju deploy  cs:trusty/ceph -n 3 --config=ceph.yaml with just fsid and mon-secret in the yaml file. But when I try to do the same with cs:xenial/ceph it fails with this trace http://paste.ubuntu.com/16513817/. Am I doing something wrong here?
[21:18] <gennadiy_> hi. does it juju support images-metadata-url from openstack env config?
[21:18] <gennadiy_> i provided it but juju use standard ubuntu cloud url
[21:28] <gennadiy_> if we provide --metadata-source for bootstrap command it creates zero machine in openstack but throws error during software installetion(agent setup)
[21:45] <bdx> jcastro: sup
[22:13] <gennadiy> also how to use "juju metadata generate-image" in juju2? it requires model but model doesn't exist because controller is not bootstrapped


[00:26] <Myrtti> brilliant
[00:26] <Myrtti> I've got my laptop set up with a proper keyboard and a mouse
[00:31] <Seeker`> Myrtti:  woo
[00:34] <Myrtti> I have to figure out how to use xrandr tomorrow
[00:34] <Myrtti> zlllleeeep -->
[00:36] <Seeker`> nn
[00:50] <LjL> i'll make a little ad, hope you don't mind -- if any US residents want to donate for the italian earthquake, they can do it from https://www.niaf.org/relief/Relief_info.asp - europeans and others can donate to the Italian Red Cross at http://www.cri.it/donazioni/index.php?mode=form (i can help translating fields) or via bank transfer at http://www.mediafriends.it/progetto/progetto_64.shtml (same)
[01:20] <Seeker`> !troll
[02:02] <tsimpson> since when is fujisan unbanned?
[02:02] <Seeker`> @bansearch fujisan
[02:03] <Seeker`> @login
[02:03] <Seeker`> @bansearch fujisan
[02:03] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[02:03] <LjL> he's banned by cloak
[02:03] <LjL> uhm no actually not even by cloak
[02:03] <Seeker`> no in #u
[02:04] <Seeker`> that was removed by jack sparrow a couple of months ago
[02:09]  * genii sips
[02:09] <LjL-Temp> my server seems to have hung on an update
[07:35]  * genii sips some Pepto Bismol
[07:53] <Myrtti> floodbot seems to need it too
[07:57] <genii> Poor bot
[08:08] <Madpilot> wow, someone in #u not only activated the root account, they used a one-char pw
[08:08] <Madpilot> I think I'm going to use the word 'noob' for the first time here
[08:11] <nalioth> Madpilot: don't you mean "idiot" ?
[08:12] <Madpilot> the two words are often used as synonyms, which I know we discourage... but it's true in this case
[08:16] <ikonia> morning
[08:53] <Myrtti> I seriously badly deeply hate my work right now
[08:53] <genii> Myrtti: I empathize.
[08:53] <Gary> me too, but I'm off this week, so alls good
[08:54] <Myrtti> the project ended two weeks ago but the customer keeps hammering me about doing modifications to the toolbox
[08:54] <Myrtti> and I really, really would have better things to do
[08:55] <genii> Maybe you can shove it off to someone
[10:20] <genii> ikonia: Geez. ##windows too eh?
[10:20] <ikonia> genii: yup
[10:40] <Seeker`> Gary: got all week off?
[10:40] <Gary> yep
[10:41] <Gary> today I am getting a Brother 4040 colour laser printer delivered, woot
[10:41] <Myrtti> bah
[10:42] <Gary> it looks good http://www.pcpro.co.uk/labs/156345/brother-hl4040cn.html
[10:48] <Seeker`> i was meant to have all of this week off
[10:48] <ikonia> canceled ?
[10:48] <Seeker`> but had to get stuff finished at work; today is my first day of holiday
[11:48] <elky> nice and quiet again today?
[11:54] <jussi01> dont jinx it...
[11:55] <elky> i'm leaning on a wooden table. i should be safe
[12:20]  * Seeker` waits for an "ow" as the table collapses
[13:27]  * Pici palms
[13:36] <elky> why is dmsuperman voiced in there?
[13:36]  * Myrtti suspects italian conspiracy
[13:37] <ikonia> where?
[13:37] <bazhang> 'mock the voiced'
[13:38] <jussi01> a concept I heartily dislike...
[13:38] <jussi01> and heavily disagree with
[13:40] <Pici> It beats people constantly saying lolz and fail.
[13:41] <jussi01> ...
[13:41] <Gary> lolz
[13:42] <bazhang> -ot has regressed to under 8 years old of late
[13:42] <Pici> Yes.
[13:42] <bazhang> especially with netyire
[13:43] <jussi01> well no reason to give them things to act 8 years old about...
[13:43] <bazhang> not the point at all, really.
[13:44] <ikonia> lol
[13:44] <ikonia> omg
[13:44] <jussi01> so would you care to explain the point then?
[13:44] <Pici> No point.
[13:45] <bazhang> sure.
[13:45] <bazhang> have done so, many times.
[13:46]  * Myrtti looks at #ubuntu with slight amusement
[13:49] <Pici> Guess he got bored.
[13:49] <ikonia> yup
[13:49] <bazhang> phew
[13:51] <bazhang> @login
[14:06] <bazhang> there. problem solved
[14:07] <ikonia> ?
[14:07] <topyli> elky: any particular reason you're opped on -ot?
[14:07] <Pici> methinks shes asleep.
[14:08] <Pici> deopped
[14:08] <topyli> thanks
[14:08] <Gary> maybe we should kick her till she wakes?
[14:08] <topyli> gah. of course she's in bed
[16:43] <Pici> LjL: Can you remind me what the ubuntu-ops user was for?
[16:45] <LjL> Pici: originally - i don't really know. some months ago i proposed to use it as an alternative to ubuntu-irc-council for adding to channels
[16:45] <Pici> LjL: Yeah, thats what I thought.
[16:53] <ikonia> thought it was for emergency use
[16:55] <LjL> ikonia: like ubuntuirccouncil yes
[16:55] <LjL> you can add it to a channel that's mostly managed by other ops
[16:58] <tsimpson> jussi01 or jussi01_: is ubottu.com stable yet?
[17:45] <Pici> eww http://www.kvirc.de/docu/doc_ctcp_avatar.html
[17:50] <jussi01> tsimpson: no idea. probably, its a huge cluster, cant see it going down for that long, feel free to have a play
[17:50] <tsimpson> jussi01: I'm just wondering when I should move ubottu back over
[17:51]  * tsimpson us upgrading to jaunty ATM so isn't going to mess about too much
[17:51] <jussi01> tsimpson: Ive no idea honestly, I havent asked, been busy today.
[17:52] <tsimpson> Pici: apparently some people want MSN-IRC
[17:52] <tsimpson> jussi01: it's not that important, I just need to setup jussi01.com to use the proper rsync paths for the bot etc
[18:01]  * Seeker` in on ubottu.comm at the moment
[20:15] <Ienorand> Hello, is the "ban" of online chat clients (mibbit) in #ubuntu-se  a permanent thing and is there any way to enter using mibbit? I am unable to use any other irc tube due to firewall restrictions.
[20:17] <Pici> Ienorand: We do not handle loco channel issues here, #ubuntu-irc would be a better place to ask.
[20:24] <Ienorand> Ok
[22:06]  * Myrtti had duck
[22:15] <jussi01> !unforget jussi01
[22:17] <Seeker`> !jussi01
[22:17] <Seeker`> !seeker
[22:18] <Gary> lol
[22:18] <Gary> thats great
[22:22] <jussi01> !gary
[22:22] <jussi01> and thats perfect...
[22:26] <tsimpson> nalioth, jpds and everyone else: until ubottu moves back to ubottu.com you can sync the current database from rsync://jussi01.com/ubottu/ubuntu.db
[22:27] <tsimpson> (if ubottu.com is stable tomorrow, I'll do it then)
[22:51] <tsimpson> Amaranth: that ban only lasts for one mibbit session iirc
[22:54] <tsimpson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>should be same as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:54]  * tsimpson thinks
[22:58] <Seeker`> can't you ban mibbet by real name to get rid of people
[22:59] <tsimpson> until they change their IP
[23:05] <Seeker`> tsimpson: Yeah, but you could say that about any ban
[23:15] <tsimpson> depends if rr.com is dynamic or not


[08:58] <Ryan_Orz> KRDC 16.04.2 lost the "rdp" option.
[08:59] <Ryan_Orz> the option should be open when  compile the package.
[13:48] <tdaitx> hi! could someone please set the following merge importance to wishlist please? LP: #1598850