[03:50] <jose> wxl: not on the CC (yet), they have to decide on that
[09:42] <mhall119> wxl: I'm not on the CC anymore, so I don't know, soryr
[16:46] <wxl> mhall119: i was basing that on launchpad


[17:43] <DammitJim> anyone in here have experience with FORTRAN?
[17:44] <DammitJim> I'm looking for someone that can bring up old code to compile in a more modern compiler vs the one that was used back in the 80's for a sun sparc system
[20:15] <ShawnR> DammitJim I'd ask around at either a) university professors, or b) retirement communities
[20:15] <DammitJim> OMG... that's so mean, dude
[20:16] <ShawnR> u know it is true, though. my intro to C professor did FORTRAN
[20:16] <DammitJim> i tis
[20:16] <DammitJim> it is...
[20:17] <ShawnR> when i get home, think I'm going to look up some local LUGs to try and find a job
[20:17] <DammitJim> ?
[20:17] <ShawnR> best buy laid me off
[20:18] <DammitJim> sorry to hear that, ShawnR
[20:18] <DammitJim> good luck in your quest
[20:18] <ShawnR> i have no "enterprise" experience, so i need an "in" somewhere
[20:19] <ShawnR> thanks
[20:20] <ShawnR> would be great if i could get a Linuxy job, but highly doubt that


[00:05] <ball> When I re-do this I may put Xubuntu back on it ...or perhaps Elementary.
[00:07] <ball> Let's try this Ubuntu Software Center thing out.
[00:09] <ball> I'll probably be back later, after the updates are done.
[00:10] <ball> Bye daftykins!
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:03] <ging> why does ubuntu always hesitate so much when you give it the wrong password, i seem to know it's wrong before it does, is there some sort of rate limiting that no other OS seems to use or set so high?
[07:04] <BigRedS>  yeah, it's ratelimiting
[07:18] <MooDoo> ging: does this help you? - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1176427
[07:22] <ging> nope, it does not contain a petition to get the default delay time cut to atleast half
[07:24] <MooDoo> is there an entry in /etc/pam.d/login that has something like this in it? - auth       optional   pam_faildelay.so  delay=3000000
[07:24] <MooDoo> this is the page I got that from http://superuser.com/questions/165550/change-password-timeout-on-linux
[07:25] <jussi> INSECURITY!!! :P
[07:25] <jussi> I remember Linus complaining about this at some point...
[07:25] <MooDoo> yeah I know, I'm just googling for them ;)
[07:26] <ging> being able to change it doesn't help me, i'm not going to go round and change it on every ubuntu machine i have to use, it will take me forever
[07:27] <MooDoo> in that case, don't get your password wrong ;)
[07:33] <ging> i just thing, imagine all those 2 seconds that get wasted, all that lost productivity, could be cut in half and still be just as secure
[07:41] <shauno> devil's advocate could argue that if people aren't capable of typing something they use daily, they're probably losing much more than 2 seconds a day elsewhere
[07:42] <SuperMatt> I would say that rate limiting bad passwords is perfectly acceptable
[07:43] <SuperMatt> because it keep brute force attacks from being anywhere near viable
[07:44] <SuperMatt> and at most I only ever type my password incorrectly twice before I slowly and purposefully type each character while staring at the keyboard to ensure I got it right
[07:44] <SuperMatt> so what, 10 seconds wasted?
[07:44] <SuperMatt> it's hardly the end of the world
[07:44] <SuperMatt> it's wasting more of my day right now to run my apt-get upgrade
[07:53] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: 10 seconds, you can breath twice in that time, stop wasting breaths ;)
[07:57] <SuperMatt> I think it's about time I signed up to the release party
[07:57] <SuperMatt> gotta make sure I get there early enough for a shirt this time
[08:03] <popey> Don't feed the ging.
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:14] <MooDoo> popey: troll? lol
[08:14] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[08:23] <MooDoo> well started my ubuntu wiki page, it's a bit bare at the moment lol
[08:29] <Dave-Maydew> Wonder if anyone can help? I'm using a i5 with 8Gb RAM, Radeon 5450 and 2 monitors on Ubuntu 12.04.3. When I go to play a game, like Warzone 2100 it spreads itself across the 2 monitors, which is a little crazy, is there a way around this?
[08:31] <directhex> Dave-Maydew, this is a per-game problem
[08:31] <Dave-Maydew> Ok, cheers
[08:32] <Dave-Maydew> I was going to buy another GPU, when I saw this happen
[08:33] <directhex> try running the game in a window instead of fullscreen
[08:34] <Dave-Maydew> I shall give it a try, many thanks
[08:35] <Dave-Maydew> Last question... Unity and multi monitors, when I press the workspace switcher, is there any way of just making it 4 spaces instead of the 8?
[08:38] <MooDoo> Dave-Maydew: does this help? -  http://www.ryanchapin.com/Home?article_id=714
[08:40] <Dave-Maydew> You are a star, been googling this all last night, and I thought I'd give the irc a try for the first time!! thanks MooDoo
[08:40] <MooDoo> you're welcome
[08:41] <Dave-Maydew> I'm a sight impaired user, and 2 monitors have been a great help, and the only reason for using Unity is the fact that it's what I'm used to
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Habitat Day! :-D
[08:44] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait how are you
[08:45] <JamesTait> Hey MooDoo! :)  Very well thanks, yourself?
[08:45] <MooDoo> JamesTait: marvelous, playing around with my page on the ubuntu wiki :D
[08:45] <MooDoo> lol
[08:45] <JamesTait> Oh yeah, I have one of those somewhere.  I should probably update it.
[08:46] <MooDoo> JamesTait: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/paulmellors mine is bare ;) lol
[08:47] <JamesTait> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JamesTait
[08:47] <MooDoo> nice, I want to becoming a ubuntu member, so baby steps ;)
[08:49] <JamesTait> I was looking into membership as well, but to be honest, most of my contribution has been from my day job, and on the server side, so I don't think it really counts.
[08:49] <MooDoo> well to be honest, i'm only really active here for the moment, but it's a start
[08:57] <JamesTait> MooDoo, like you said, baby steps. ;)
[09:01] <SuperMatt> hurrr, I just realised, windows 8.1 will be released the day after saucy
[09:01] <SuperMatt> which means canonical will have put out three versions between 8 and 8.1
[09:01] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: about bloody time, windows 8 sucks without start menu
[09:02] <SuperMatt> final two weeks now :)
[09:02] <SuperMatt> good luck to everyone contributing :)
[09:02] <MooDoo> I'm only using LTS ubuntu any way :)
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I just can't bring myself to only use lts
[09:03] <SuperMatt> I love being up to date way too much
[09:03] <MooDoo> I don't need anything else lol
[09:03] <SuperMatt> that's fair enough
[09:04] <SuperMatt> but I find that knowing what's coming for my servers at work, I can be more prepared for when the next LTS comes out
[09:04] <kecskebak> And in the bit about Ubuntu, the history of the Alans... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans
[09:05] <kecskebak> My wife told me about them this morning and I immediatley thought of this place!
[09:05] <SuperMatt> ah yes, the cult of alan
[09:05] <kecskebak> In Hungary they're known as Jasz, and there are towns and even a county named after them.
[09:12] <shauno> that's quite worrying
[09:15] <MooDoo> we've known about the cult of alans for ages, just make sure they don't get you to join their cult on their day of days [normally the real ale train] ;)
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how are you this fine day?
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: I feel lousy worst nights sleep in a long time :(  On a plus side I'm alive \o/ so can't grumble too much :)  You?
[10:07] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok thanks, just gettting over manu flu, editing wikis and launchpad stuff for me and writting the odd blog post, nothing exciting
[10:15] <daubers> o/
[10:19] <MooDoo> hi daubers
[10:20] <davmor2> daubers: morning
[10:22] <daubers> How do?
[10:23] <MooDoo> yeah good you?
[10:23] <daubers> Not bad :) Finally recovering from the stupid depression thing
[10:23] <MooDoo> daubers: thats good news :)
[10:24] <daubers> MooDoo: Indeedly! Finally able to start getting things done again
[10:24] <MooDoo> good stuff :)
[10:24] <davmor2> daubers: oh that's easy, you just stand on the hill that surrounds you, on a more serious note glad to hear it :)
[10:25] <daubers> davmor2: :-p
[10:26] <davmor2> daubers: hey no fair the last bit was nice :P  Depression sucks dude I am glad you have managed to get out of it :)
[10:27] <daubers> davmor2:  It's a bit easier to get out of the second time around
[11:09] <dvrr> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:09] <davmor2> dvrr: hoooooooooooo
[11:09] <popey> hello.
[11:13] <MooDoo> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiya
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: turns into Laura
[11:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: thanks for that davmor2 :p
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: whenever I see hiya written for some reason my brain hears the intro to UUPC and Laura excitedly saying it sorry :D
[11:22] <MooDoo> it's fine, compare me to laura, we are similar after all :p
[11:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: No, no you're not.
[11:25] <shauno> I just read popey's tweet about making progress on the progress meter, and I can't figure out if he did it on purpose, or something something coffee
[11:25] <popey> ☻
[11:25] <popey> Carefully worded.
[11:26] <shauno> slightly disappointed it didn't start with "yo dawg, I heard you like progress .."
 I know this!
[11:36] <neuro> :)
[12:33] <MooDoo> feed the beast
[12:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Feed Me Seymore
[12:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol little shop of horrors mod for minecradt ;)
[12:43] <SuperMatt> what's the current state of core apps in touch now? Would I, for instance, be able to play an mp4 that I can normally play in totem?
[12:46] <popey> depends what videos you'd watch in totem ☻
[12:48] <SuperMatt> mostly uhhh... backups of tv shows
[12:49] <Myrtti> oh man, backups would be nice, my Harry Potter DVD's are in UK :-(
[12:50] <SuperMatt> well, use "the offsite-backup bay"
[12:50] <SuperMatt> though I think people use the world pirate intercangably with offsite-backup
[12:51] <Myrtti> the sad part is that if I have backups.
[12:51] <Myrtti> on a hard drive, in UK.
[12:51] <Myrtti> :-|
[12:51] <SuperMatt> doh
[12:52] <SuperMatt> at my last work place, we set up an offsite backup ring, just in case anyone's house burned down
[12:53] <shauno> I had a backup burried in the back garden for a while.  protip: don't do that.
[12:54] <SuperMatt> ....
[12:54] <SuperMatt> what medium did you use?
[12:54] <shauno> CDs.  it seemed to make sense.  they come in a handy plastic tub, you just need to seal it?
[12:54] <SuperMatt> sure
[12:54] <SuperMatt> so what went wrong?
[12:55] <SuperMatt> other than the fact that writable CDs have a limited lifespan
[12:55] <shauno> I guess sealing it isn't as easy as it looks
[12:55] <popey> i like the idea though
[12:56] <popey> hard disk + silica gel in a sealed sandwich bag inside a tupperware box, upside down in a hole in the ground
[12:56] <shauno> luckily I didn't need the backup, but when I went to swap them out a year later, I couldn't separate one disk from the next
[12:56] <dwatkins> were they melted together, shauno?
[12:56] <popey> wait.. you put a stack of CDs not in their cases?
[12:56] <shauno> right.  just like when you buy a spindle
[12:56] <popey> you properly didn't think that through ☻
[12:58] <SuperMatt> my backup solution comprises of all the disks I can fit in to my PC
[12:58] <SuperMatt> though I'm gonna get a nas soon
[12:59]  * MooDoo got nas, but wants a synology naas
[12:59] <MooDoo> nas not naas
[13:00] <diplo> SuperMatt: Doesn't help if the house burns down
[13:01] <MooDoo> I have a laptop to server, server to nas, nas to offsite usb :)
[13:01] <SuperMatt> diplo: no, it doesn't
[13:02] <SuperMatt> I think it's worth just having a rind of friends and a TB external hdd each
[13:02] <BigRedS> my backup solution is basically github
[13:03] <SuperMatt> tbh, to back up the things I really care about, I only really need 100G of space
[13:03]  * popey hugs his microserver
[13:04] <SuperMatt> is that the n54l?
[13:04] <popey> 40
[13:04] <popey> original one
[13:04] <SuperMatt> oh?
[13:04] <shauno> I still like my time capsule idea.  but now that I measure my megabits in plurals, there's much simpler ways
[13:04] <SuperMatt> how many disks can that take?
[13:04] <diplo> I backup to my microserver and then to work
[13:04] <diplo> I back my parents to my house
[13:04] <popey> I have 13 in mine
[13:04] <popey> with an external array
[13:04] <SuperMatt> usb stuff, right?
[13:05] <SuperMatt> how's butterfs working for you now?
[13:05] <popey> no
[13:05] <popey> no USB
[13:05] <popey> all SATA
[13:05] <SuperMatt> cool
[13:05] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204848/
[13:05] <BigRedS> I just decided that a nosql version of SQLite should exist, and it does!
[13:06] <SuperMatt> blimey
[13:06] <BigRedS> and it's got perhaps the most buzzword-compliant introduction I've ever seen
[13:06] <shauno> now that's efficient
[13:06] <BigRedS> "noSQLite is a lightweight zeroconf noSQL document-oriented forking Python SQLite networked authenticated XMLRPC database server."
[13:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204851/
[13:06] <SuperMatt> so btrfs is working quite well then
[13:07] <popey> fine for me
[13:10] <SuperMatt> I want to move a lot of my stuff to btrfs, but I think I'm going to wait until btrfs-convert works again
[14:24] <mgdm> popey: they played a Code Club promo video over the weekend at the conference I was at in Manchester - it was a work of genius
[14:24] <mgdm> popey: (one involving a kid reading out HTML, etc...)
[14:24] <SuperMatt> dang, google play music doesn't work in the ubuntu touch browser :(
[14:24] <mgdm> popey: you're involved in one, aren't you?
[14:24] <bigcalm> Loved that video
[14:25] <popey> ya
[14:25] <popey> seen the other video?
[14:25] <popey> where they interview someone?
[14:25] <popey> www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhGIajRsq4
[14:27] <bigcalm> What's the game on the laptop? http://youtu.be/FxhGIajRsq4?t=35s
[14:30] <mgdm> popey: not yet, but I shall now!
[14:32] <bigcalm> I think the video we saw at phpnw13 was better
[15:35] <bigcalm> We've just been sent the electoral roll form. Anybody know when they need to be filled in and returned by?
[15:35] <directhex> i got one too
[15:35] <bigcalm> Wondering if we were to leave it until after Hayley possibly takes my name
[15:35] <bigcalm> (She still hasn't 100% decided)
[15:36] <bigcalm> Nothing on the form or letter with it says anything about when to return it by
[15:39] <dwatkins> ...and yet it's a legal requirement to register to vote
[15:41] <diddledan> bigcalm: as far as mine says it's just "asap"
[15:42] <diddledan> they don't seem to have listed a date on it
[15:42] <bigcalm> diddledan: think asap could be 26th October?
[15:42] <bigcalm> I'll be married by then :D
[15:42] <diddledan> other than that they'll publish the edited register in februrary
[15:42] <diddledan> I would expect a month from receipt is still acceptible
[15:43] <bigcalm> Goodo
[15:43] <diddledan> you could be on a long summer holiday :-p
[15:44] <dutchie> W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[15:45] <dutchie> anybody else?]
[15:54] <neuro> dutchie: there is no Sources file
[15:54] <neuro> just bzipped or gzipped versions of same
[15:55] <dutchie> surely apt-get update should see those though>?
[16:25] <daubers> popey: I have a bug for Ubuntu Touch
[16:25] <popey> just one?
[16:25] <daubers> popey: It doesn't prevent me from being an idiot and dropping my phone, breaking both the screen and digitiser
[16:26]  * daubers now has to wait until he can afford to get it mended properly :(
[16:27] <popey> ouch
[16:27] <popey> what device?
[16:28] <daubers> Galaxy Nexus
[16:29] <daubers> £180 for a new glass and digitiser
[16:29] <popey> yowzer
[16:29] <popey> you can buy a 2nd hand one for 140
[16:30] <directhex> daubers, buy a new nexus 4 for less
[16:30] <popey> or that
[16:30] <daubers> Might just see if I'm due an upgrade
[16:30] <popey> galaxy nexus has a better screen
[16:30] <popey> if a bit bright and maybe too vivid
[16:34] <dvrr> popey
[16:35] <popey> hmm?
[16:36] <dvrr> i have configured jabberd2 server
[16:36] <directhex> prosody!
[16:37] <dvrr> but  i i am not able to create users
[16:37] <popey> I am happy for you.
[16:38] <dvrr> becouse
[16:40] <dvrr> i fallowd  this uel  configured jabberd http://bionicraptor.ca/2011/05/20/how-to-install-and-configure-japperd2-with-mysql/
[16:44] <dvrr> user account could not be created
[16:47] <dvrr> popey
[16:47] <popey> what?
[16:47] <popey> Why are you pinging me?
[16:47] <dvrr> users creating problem
[16:48] <dvrr> this is big prob for me
[16:49] <popey> I have no idea, never setup jabberd
[17:49] <SuperMatt> ah nice, the adb backup tool is *exactly* what I needed before putting ubuntu on my nexus 10 :D
[18:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:15]  * popey stabs steam
[18:16] <diddledan> *stab stab stab*
[18:16] <diddledan> I like stabbing things
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: you should get czajkowski to do that, she's had plenty of experience stabbing things and people :D
[18:17] <diddledan> o_O
[18:17] <diddledan> davmor2: was that a compliment or an insult?
[18:17] <popey> its complaining that i dont have glx setup right
[18:17] <davmor2> popey: do you have xmir installed?
[18:17] <popey> of course not!
[18:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6206056/
[18:18] <popey> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 looks like it shouldn't be there, surely
[18:18] <davmor2> popey: it just hates you then
[18:18] <popey> it shouldn't be loading the mesa glx driver but the nvidia one
[18:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello
[18:18]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2
[18:18] <czajkowski> oi you
[18:18] <ali1234> what are you actually trying to do?
[18:18] <popey> run steam
[18:19] <ali1234> "run steam"
[18:19] <popey> it pops up a box telling me that it's doing software rendering
[18:19] <popey> yes, "steam" in a terminal
[18:19] <ali1234> using +1?
[18:19] <popey> yup
[18:19] <popey> used to work
[18:19] <ali1234> it works for me currently i have not updated today though
[18:19] <popey> but I yanked my nvidia card because it broke
[18:19] <popey> so went back to intel, and now back on nvidia it's busted
[18:20] <popey> if I run the 32-bit glxinfo it barfs because it's doing sw rendering
[18:20] <ali1234> yesterday i tried to put my 5870 in my main computer to play games but it turns out the aftermarket cooler is too big for my case
[18:20] <popey> so i remove libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[18:20] <popey> that removes the line from the ldconfig above
[18:20] <popey> but then when I run steam it wants to re-install that package again and breaks
[18:21] <ali1234> i see updates for mesa:i386
[18:21] <ali1234> so i bet if i update it will break
[18:21] <ali1234> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 specifically
[18:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: what you stab me and MooDoo and things galore when they annoy you so I reckon you'd be the best person to stab popey 's steam
[18:21] <ali1234> so anyone want to buy a slightly used (for bitcoin mining lol) 5870HD?
[18:24] <ali1234> popey: yeah it appears to be broken now
[18:24] <popey> aha!
[18:24] <popey> when it prompts to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, press CTRL+C ☻
[18:24] <popey> works
[18:25] <ali1234> why don't you have it installed?
[18:25]  * popey tests a game
[18:25] <popey> i just removed it
[18:25] <popey> to test
[18:25] <ali1234> why?
[18:25] <popey> because it isnt needed
[18:25] <popey> it breaks glxinfo, and steam
[18:26] <ali1234> it shouldn't
[18:26] <ali1234> and it is
[18:26] <popey> by what?
[18:26] <diddledan> bugfodder?
[18:26] <popey> sure, once I figure where the bug is, I'll file it
[18:26] <diddledan> \o/
[18:27]  * popey tries xbox 360 controller with serious sam 3 bfe
[18:27] <popey> that should test it
[18:28] <davmor2> diddledan: bugfodder is a great game but it's not on par with canonfodder
[18:29] <ali1234> popey: if i try to remove it, apt also tries to remove xorg
[18:30] <popey> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 on 64-bit ubuntu?
[18:31] <ali1234> oh wait, no
[18:31] <ali1234> that doesn't affect anything
[18:31] <directhex> popey,  http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=&category1=998&category2=28&advanced=0#category1=998&os=linux&category2=28&sort_order=ASC&page=1
[18:32] <directhex> those are linux games w/ full controller support
[18:33] <popey> ta
[18:33] <popey> well, that was fun
[18:33] <popey> although I am rubbish with FPS games on controller
[18:34] <ali1234> popey: but the thing is, the -dri package does not install a libGL1.so
[18:34] <ali1234> that comes from -mesa-glx
[18:35] <popey> not here
[18:35] <popey> dpkg -S /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1
[18:35] <popey> told me
[18:35] <ali1234> libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1
[18:35] <popey> maybe it lied
[18:35] <popey> hmmm
[18:35] <popey> did I remove the wrong one
[18:36] <popey> libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: isn't installed here either
[18:36] <ali1234> and if i try to remove that one i lose skype and wine
[18:36] <popey> yeah, i did
[18:37] <ali1234> they are dependant i guess
[18:37] <ali1234> well, steam isn't actually broken here at all. it still works fine after the update
[18:37] <popey> hmmm
[18:37] <ali1234> you must have a problem with symlinks pointing to the wrong version or something
[18:37] <popey> yeah, perhaps
[18:38] <ali1234> reinstalling the packages again in the right order will probably fix it
[18:38] <popey> yeah, not touching it for now.
[18:38] <ali1234> i checked update-alternatives and it is not doing anything with mesa or glx
[18:38] <popey> it's plausible i futzed around with symlinks at some point
[18:38] <ali1234> maybe run jockey again (from command line)
[18:39] <popey> unrelated, i keep getting 503 from steam community
[18:39] <directhex> there's a bug
[18:39] <popey> clicking on my own profile inside steam
[18:39] <popey> ah
[18:39] <ali1234> yeah i get that all the time
[18:42] <directhex> there's a multiarch bug in mesa in 64-bit ubuntu before a certain release
[18:42] <directhex> which makes it not possible to install the :i386 and :amd64 versions together
[18:45] <ali1234> we're both using +1 fully updated
[18:48] <directhex> dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:iamd64
[18:50] <popey> i386 version installed only here
[18:50] <directhex> eek
[18:51] <ali1234> i have both
[19:04] <SuperMatt> I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but touch really doesn't feel close to being ready at all :/
[19:04] <SuperMatt> I'm using it on my nexus 10, trying to use the keyboard and it constantly selects things in the background, behind the keyboard
[19:04] <SuperMatt> and also, the keyboard is in portrait mode when the device is landscape
[19:07] <ali1234> heh
[19:07] <popey> we haven't optimised for the nexus 10 at all
[19:08] <ali1234> it's not supposed to be "ready" until 14.10 now
[19:09] <popey> 360 controller in Dynamite Jack is all over the place
[19:09] <ali1234> did you configure it in big picture mode?
[19:09] <popey> goes in odd directions
[19:09] <popey> oh, no
[19:09] <popey> i am in big picture mode
[19:09] <ali1234> it probably wont help if it is that messed up
[19:10] <ali1234> yes but there is a controller config screen
[19:10] <ali1234> in big picture, not in the game
[19:10] <ali1234> not all games use it though
[19:10] <popey> there is, it just says "controller detected xinput compatible controller"
[19:10] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/2013-10-07-201035_1920x1080_scrot.png
[19:12] <ali1234> i guess remapping is not allowed if the joypad is recognized by SDL
[19:12] <ali1234> and also dynamite jack does not use SDL_gamepad


[00:00] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo: And since my access was revoked, I intend to make this EXACTLY like when I initially became a ninja. You've been warned. ;)
[00:00] <tsimonq2> 'cause I need my access back dude... :P
[00:00]  * clivejo has a horrible sense of impending doom
[00:01] <clivejo> like a huge dark storm blowing in
[00:01] <valorie> I hope you are adding in packaging docs still in that plan....
[00:01] <tsimonq2> valorie: Sure., I can document them.
[00:02] <tsimonq2> And I'll add relevant code in places so those need PRs too.  :P
[00:11] <clivejo> I am so
[00:11] <clivejo> ask valorie
[00:12] <acheronuk> not sure if I have some immunity, but it's not likely to elicit the effect intended.
[00:12] <acheronuk> anyway........
[00:12] <acheronuk> night night all :)
[00:12] <clivejo> acheronuk: maybe you should setup and email filter too
[00:13] <acheronuk> clivejo: already in planning
[00:13] <valorie> clivejo is totally fun
[00:13] <clivejo> filter anything from tsimonq2 to NULL
[00:13] <valorie> niters acheronuk
[00:14] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Then my stuff doesn't get reviewed and I have to come HERE and annoy y'all...
[00:16] <clivejo> Im off to bed as well
[00:16] <clivejo> night all
[00:18] <valorie> nn
[01:37] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: Can I make an MP adding autopkgtests as something that needs to pass for a KCI job to pass? :P
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:08] <acheronuk> santa_: any idea why the plasma-workspace test is timing out on launching the 1st one? tried a couple of things (reverting locally KDE's and then our last commit on that test), but no luck so far
[12:08] <acheronuk> Running tests...
[12:08] <acheronuk> Test project /tmp/autopkgtest.Vdlgxz/build.pCo/plasma-workspace-5.9.0/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[12:08] <acheronuk>     Start 1: launchertasksmodeltest
[12:09] <acheronuk> and then nothing, until test timeout kills it
 Morning
 acheronuk: Last night I figured out how to do autopkgtests locally, I'll give it a try and tell you if I find anything.
[12:11] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: yeah, had a play with the tests locally here as well this morning. running them is not really that hard, just a bit time consuming on some machines
 Yeah
 I just figured out I can do sudo autopkgtest -U -- schroot zesty-amd64-shm
 Tried it with Akonadi, stupid failures to look into
[12:13] <acheronuk> the cloud-image and qemu seems to work ok here as well.
 Yep but still ;)
 You can also use LXC containers apparently
[12:14] <acheronuk> you can. :)
[12:16] <acheronuk> anyway, Sunday lunch is coming fast here. back later.
 Bai
 I have to be at work for 7 AM >__<
[12:17] <acheronuk> on a Sunday? urgggggh
 Yep unfortunately
 7 hour shift today
 But I'm agnostic so I don't care :P
[12:19] <acheronuk> I don't give a something **bleep** about religion, but getting up that early on a sunday for work is still not good!
[12:19] <acheronuk> or for anything much, for that matter
[12:20]  * acheronuk smells roast gammon
[12:20] <acheronuk> I'm off.....
[13:19] <mparillo> Amazing what one can learn in this channel. I had never heard of gammon before.
[14:06] <santa_> acheronuk: I'm having the same problem here but didn't have time to investigate it at all
[14:06] <santa_> maybe executing the test in question separatey with ctest will give you a hint
[14:54] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_marble build #152: STILL FAILING in 30 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_marble/152/
[14:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_marble build #103: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_marble/103/
[14:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_marble build #114: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_marble/114/
[15:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_marble build #153: STILL FAILING in 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_marble/153/
[17:02] <clivejo> acheronuk: did sync the krita packaging from the archive into zesty_archive?
[17:02] <clivejo> did you?
[17:03] <clivejo> hi santa_
[17:06] <santa_> clivejo: hi
[17:06] <santa_> what's up?
[17:06] <clivejo> stuff stuck in proposed :(
[17:06] <clivejo> hows things with you?
[17:07] <santa_> I was digging into a few things about the proposed migration
[17:07] <clivejo> did you get a chance to look at gpgme?
[17:07] <santa_> not yet
[17:09] <acheronuk> clivejo: I have a recollection of you asking me to do that, as you were too ***d about it being synced at the time to deal with it?
[17:09] <clivejo> that does sound like me!
[17:10] <acheronuk> can't see it in the logs, but couls have been a PM chat
[17:14] <clivejo> just wondered was there any merge conflicts
[17:17] <clivejo> hi blaze
[17:18] <blaze> hi clivejo
[17:23] <clivejo> Sick_Rimmit: you about?
[17:28] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller
[17:28] <DarinMiller> hi clivejo
[17:28] <clivejo> how are you?
[17:29] <nauticalnexus> yoo
[17:29] <DarinMiller> Very good thanks.  How are you (and Max)?
[17:29] <acheronuk> Hi Darin :)
[17:30] <DarinMiller> Hi Rik.
[17:31] <nauticalnexus> can I beta test Kubuntu 17.04 in a vm
[17:31] <nauticalnexus> sorry dog was bothering me annnnnnd I had already typed beta, I mean alpha, unless it's in beta already
[17:33]  * DarinMiller is reading the IRC logs and is wondering what if something needs fixed (within his ability to fix or learn to fix...)
[17:41] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: not looked today, and KCI has been on it's weekend pause, so upstream changes could have already fixed some error. plasma-workspace maybe? if I re-run that
[17:42] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: plasma-sdk you recall? see https://cgit.kde.org/kdevplatform.git/commit/?id=b0d95189c5a418cbb56f5df063ed719c488a1b2c
[17:42] <acheronuk> thinks that may be the change in the source of one of it's build deps that broke it ^^^
[17:43] <DarinMiller> ah ok.
[17:44] <acheronuk> as we discussed, sometimes (especially in KCI) it's not our packaging that is broken. can be KDE devs out of sync with each others upstream code
[17:46] <DarinMiller> yes, understood.  What's the best way reconginize when packages are out of sync or incomplete upstream vs improperly configured control files?
[17:49] <acheronuk> well, that was an error in the actual compilation of the source. that could sometimes be wrong or missing build deps, but usually the configure phase would pick those up. so that immediately sad to me, what has changed in the code or it's dependency's code.
[17:50] <acheronuk> it was looking for a defined function, and could not find it.
[17:51] <DarinMiller> that makes sense!
[17:52] <acheronuk> 'best way' is a bit of experience. I now more often than not have a good idea what to go and look at, but I still get thrown curveballs reasonably often!
[17:52] <nauticalnexus> DarinMiller, may I query you?
[17:52] <DarinMiller> very good
[17:52] <DarinMiller> nauticalnexus: sure
[17:54] <mparillo> nauticalnexus: The Alpha 2 (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/371/builds)  is closed and marked ready, and the images were moved to: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/zesty/alpha-2/ but I think you are better off with the daily images (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/) anyway. as the Alpha is basically just a snapshot.
[17:55] <mparillo> If you test in a VM, could you see if you could replicate this bug I get only in a VM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1627348
[17:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_plasma-workspace build #131: STILL FAILING in 12 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_plasma-workspace/131/
[18:04] <acheronuk> mparillo: I guess you have gammon (ish something) by another name
[18:08] <mparillo> We have ham (American Ham is called Smithfield, and my people have Prosciutto), bacon (I have had American, Canadian, and Pancetta), and pork roasts and chops, but I had to look up gammon.
[18:11] <acheronuk> difference in terminology. then again, the US has 'cheese' and 'chocolate', but it's not really deserving of those names
[18:11]  * acheronuk should be in offtopic
[18:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_plasma-workspace build #132: STILL FAILING in 11 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_plasma-workspace/132/
[19:16] <DarinMiller> qq regarding ki18n warning on kci: parsed console warns: PythonModuleGeneration.  The full out say  missing python module. I assume a python dep needs added to the control file?  What version of python should I add?
[19:22] <DarinMiller> searching the ubuntu packages for PythonModuleGeneration turns up in extra-cmake-modules.  config dep currently  lists: extra-cmake-modules (>= 5.30.0~) where the ubuntu package search lists extra-cmake-modules (5.30.0-0ubuntu1) .
[19:25] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: I think that is an optional we can't satisfy at the moment?
[19:28] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: ok. I am just diving into KCI to see what I can learn.  Feel free to challenge me.
 Rik, is Qt Speech working now?
[19:41] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you know how to make gbp-ppa work with a renamed source?
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, On my list to try enabling in FW at some point. What does it do for it?
[19:42] <clivejo> just wondered if maybe we could get Darin involved in trying that
[19:42] <clivejo> in KCI
[19:43] <acheronuk> clivejo: are you looking at renaming the old kde4 libs source for soundkonverter etc?
[19:43] <clivejo> no no
[19:43] <clivejo> orange packages on KCI
[19:43] <clivejo> looking for optional depend on Qt Speech
[19:44] <clivejo> I thought I seen it being built in Qt 5.7.1
[19:44] <acheronuk> no, you asked about gbp-ppa and renamed sources as well
[19:44] <clivejo> oh that
[19:44] <clivejo> krita
[19:44] <acheronuk> ah. ic
[19:44] <clivejo> debian is appending +dfsg to the source package
[19:45] <clivejo> and gbp-ppa doesnt seem to like that
[19:45] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/krita/tree/debian/watch?h=kubuntu_zesty_archive
[19:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: is this fixing the current archive version, or doing the newest?
[19:53] <clivejo> newest
[19:54] <clivejo> I want to do a test in my PPA
[19:55] <clivejo> of  krita-<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:55] <clivejo> it downloads it, but fails
[19:55] <DarinMiller> what would you like me to try? Fix the Broken test issues?
[19:57] <clivejo> oh maybe my tarball is corrupt
[19:57] <clivejo> tar: Unexpected EOF in archive
[19:57] <clivejo> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[19:58] <acheronuk> clivejo: hmm. at the moment seems the copyright is missing in our packaging, which is what uscan uses to repack the tarball for a dfsg version
[20:01] <DarinMiller> I found ka script:  get-kci-tarball much more effective at finding tarballs than uscan (addmittenly I have only used either for last few weeks).
[20:02] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/krita/commit/?id=39189ccc9f0224e2b786b9b2745a0bf3685c14cb
[20:02] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: get-kci-tarball is for KCI only. it takes the kde git master branch, clones it, and makes a tarball out of it, so is not good for stable release stuff
[20:03] <acheronuk> clivejo: ?????????????
[20:04] <DarinMiller> ohhh, thanks for clarification!
[20:05] <acheronuk> clivejo: ok, lets start by getting it properly re-synced then
[20:05] <clivejo> I dont understand whats going on with it
[20:06] <acheronuk> I guess gbp-ppa/uscan is expecting a repacked dfsg version from the packaging version, but it's not being produced as ther are not rules to do it
[20:08]  * clivejo stikes krita off the list
[20:11] <acheronuk> lol. patience
[20:12] <clivejo> sick looking at it
[20:12] <clivejo> the uploader can sort it out
[20:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_krita build #93: FAILURE in 3.6 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_krita/93/
[20:14] <acheronuk> I have trouble with ones like that. I don't use or particularly care about, but I know many many other people do.
[20:14] <clivejo> yeah but serious, look at the control file
[20:14] <clivejo> ever heard of wrap and sort?
[20:15] <acheronuk> lol. I know. just had to resist running it in order for my sync to be a proper one.
[20:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: do you have a for the arm build fails?
[20:17] <DarinMiller> I understand what the sort part of the  wrap and sort tool. What does the script "wrap"?
[20:17] <acheronuk> long lines
[20:17] <clivejo> DarinMiller: long lines
[20:17] <clivejo> Lintians loves to complain if you write too much on a line
[20:18] <clivejo> like the way Simon complains about the surnames being in capital letters
[20:18] <clivejo> on and on and ond
[20:18] <DarinMiller> lol
[20:18] <acheronuk> and on and on and on and on...............
[20:18] <clivejo> acheronuk: I fixed that somewhere
[20:19] <clivejo> but the fix seems to have been lost in the debian sync
[20:20] <acheronuk> clivejo: you added a build dep on libgles1-mesa-dev
[20:20] <acheronuk> then reverted it
[20:20] <acheronuk> as far as I can see?
[20:20] <clivejo> an or?
[20:21] <acheronuk> nope https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/krita/commit/?id=491e29ab5498e38d1293dacad604a81d3ea4a87d
[20:21] <clivejo> basically if this is installable, install it, if not install y
[20:21] <clivejo> thats previous
[20:21] <DarinMiller> heading to lunch then grocery shopping.  be back in a few...
 clivejo: Exactly! GO FIX IT!
[20:24] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: no problem
[20:24] <clivejo> tsimonq2: dont wind me up, not in the mood for it
[21:03] <acheronuk> clivejo: do we need to file a bug to get new package kirigami2 in?
[21:04]  * clivejo nods
[21:05] <acheronuk> and PIM packages?
[21:05] <clivejo> I dunno
[21:06] <acheronuk> they are in theory new https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[21:07] <acheronuk> but pkg slits are maybe a grey area?
[21:07] <acheronuk> *slits
[21:07] <acheronuk> FFS!
[21:07] <acheronuk> *splits
[21:07] <acheronuk> lol
[21:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_krita build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_krita/60/
[21:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_krita build #58: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_krita/58/
[21:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_krita build #85: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 31 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_krita/85/
[21:57] <wxl> oi
[22:04] <acheronuk> huh?
[22:07] <wxl> !ask | anon^_^
[22:09] <wxl> why do yo uassume it's -debian?
[22:13] <clivejo> what?!?
[22:14] <acheronuk> wxl: what are you talking about?
[22:14] <acheronuk> wrong channel?
[22:15] <wxl> oh shhoot you're right :(
[22:15] <acheronuk> wxl: easily done ;)
[22:35] <clivejo> acheronuk: if we arent installing usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/juliabackend.png in cantor, maybe it should be put into not-installed?
[22:36] <acheronuk> I did wonder about that... so maybe
[22:38] <clivejo> at least until julia can be installed, well the correct version it needs
[22:38] <acheronuk> go ahead. feel free.
[23:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: I can now use gbp-ppa ok on krita after correcting that sync
[23:11] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: Are you still around?
[23:11]  * acheronuk is lurking
[23:11] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: what can I do for you?
[23:12] <DarinMiller> I see you fixed kirigami2 and the summary says you updated unstable and zesty.  Did you have to do 2 commits to accomplish that?
 Gonna be on BBB in 5 minutes talking out loud.
 Gonna be fixing some things.
[23:13] <DarinMiller> Is that as simple as checking change into one the git checkout make change and check into the other or is unstable and zesty magically linked?
[23:14] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: I will join you on BBB
[23:15]  * DarinMiller should really proof read his questions before hitting the enter key....
[23:16] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: I committed and pushed to zesty_archive in git. KCI get notified of that via a webhook, and merges those changes to unstable
[23:20] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: if you know a MOTU who might assist? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1662011
 Ok I'm in BBB now
 acheronuk: Consider it handled.
 acheronuk, DarinMiller: Argh, so BBB needs Flash AND Java... EEK!
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Probably going to be like 10-15 minutes... >__<


[11:42] <icey> ahoy
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:21] <lazyPower> Are we doing anything for release party?
[17:04] <r00t^2> MAKE IT STOPPPPP
[17:05] <paden> ....
[17:05] <paden> wtf?
[17:06] <jthan> hey you did it
[17:08] <paden> Did what?
[17:08] <jthan> it stopped
[17:08] <paden> I did nothing!
[17:09] <pleia2> someone remind me to remove that at some point ;)
[17:11] <jthan> pleia2: ty


[15:00] <luna_> britts don't seem to belive in native IPv6
[16:17] <daftykins> i still see no benefit for the time being :) don't even mind my ISP doesn't support it
[16:17] <daftykins> i haven't even contacted my friend in Exeter's ISP to ask them to enable IPv6 on his service either
[16:18] <zxmpi> it'll happen when it happens. that'll happen when it needs to happen
[16:19] <daftykins> just been up to one of my clients where, following a UPS shutdown after a staff member turned off the switch beside the socket saying "DO NOT TURN OFF" the WiFi AP, powered by PoE, has not worked since
[16:20] <daftykins> check out this spontaneous discovery - https://youtu.be/jn_sBkNVaNY
[16:20] <daftykins> or rather this discovery of a spontaneous change :)
[16:22] <zxmpi> i'm sure i've told you of the accountancy firm that had my bosss there for a week prior to the year end run and they set it running friday evening and he left. the md walking around and hour or two later turned off the pc that was doing the year end pulling off the label glued taped across the power switch 'do not turn off'
[16:23] <zxmpi> to find the backups had been done since sharon went on maternity leave
[16:24] <daftykins> :D
[16:24] <daftykins> (+not) ?
[16:24] <zxmpi> *not been done
[16:24] <daftykins> that's such a typical Sharon move
[16:24] <daftykins> have a baby to get out of doing backups /s
[16:24] <zxmpi> most expensive attempt to save a few bob on leccy
[16:24] <daftykins> :D
[16:24] <penguin42> daftykins: Suspicious that the cat6 short turns up at the same time they turn the UPS off
[16:25] <daftykins> yeah ikr, i mean it is a PoE AP, so power was dramatically cut to the switch... but i dunno, it felt kinda tacky or moist up there
[16:25] <zxmpi> well md said show sharon how to do backups. no one thought to wonder how she'd do that at home when she left
[16:26] <daftykins> there was also a container of floor/carpet adhesive that had leaked and a small trail approached the hole in the loft floor that the AP cable uses
[16:26] <zxmpi> so packets are stuck in transit? :-P
[16:26] <daftykins> xD
[16:26] <penguin42> daftykins: Someone put a carpet tack through your cable?
[16:27] <daftykins> it was fascinating, i could see on the switch that it powered up - just zero network link
[16:27] <daftykins> nah the loft was bare, i just saw it stored up there
[16:27] <daftykins> sec i have a snap for funsies 'cause i did the most ghetto improvement to the cable module xD
[16:29] <daftykins> worky? https://i.imgur.com/K6TtJhz.jpeg
[16:30] <penguin42> yeh
[16:31] <daftykins> little drainpipe piece was lying around up there so i thought... that'll do, pig!
[16:32]  * zxmpi gets out a blank bingo card and writes 'someone is going to go up into the loft and put their foot in that hole.'
[16:33] <daftykins> :D
[16:33] <daftykins> it's ok the client likes his DIY and did it, i'll be immune from liability
[16:33] <zxmpi> your cable tripped him so he stumbled into the hole


[05:52] <qwebirc77532> Having problems installing mythbuntu 14.04 LTS on new system.  Thought it crashed, but it just seems to take a very long time  without any progress indication.
[05:56] <qwebirc77532> Now stuck at "starting up the partitioner" at 34% for 5-10 minutes with "please wait
[06:19] <qwebirc77532> Well, it finally came back with choices for partitioning.


[13:27] <smartboyhw> Now where is ailo!?!!?!?!
[13:49] <astraljava> I think he mentioned he'll be around mostly during the weekends nowadays.
[13:49]  * smartboyhw forgotten to read the backlogs oh no:P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what's this?:P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> astraljava	Hey team, heads up: QA contact person position up for grabs, anyone from the team can do it. Preferably start immediately, so you'll be up and running by the time R cycle begins. 	17:05
[13:50] <smartboyhw> astraljava	Responsibilities normally include keeping in sync with flavor AND vanilla development, reporting in QA meetings.  :D
[13:50]  * smartboyhw finds reading the backlog is quite useful!
[13:52]  * smartboyhw can surely be a QA Contact person hope astraljava doesn't mind:P
[15:58] <astraljava> Right, so unless anyone objects, I'm handing over my responsibilities to smartboyhw. I'll start actually rehearsing and recording my own music in the near future, so won't have time for more constant presence of the flavor anymore.
[15:59] <astraljava> Scott is already aware of my departure from this role, and both the QA and the release teams are aware of the change.
[16:00] <holstein> astraljava: that sounds like good news for you!... making music!!
[16:00] <astraljava> My other (possible) contributions will likely be more of the bug fixing and new development nature.
[16:00] <astraljava> holstein: It totally is!
[16:01] <holstein> astraljava: you're not going MIA thought, correct?
[16:01] <astraljava> It's been a dream for so long, but there have been other issues standing in the way.
[16:01] <astraljava> No, I'll definitely hang out in here, and #osm, for sure.
[16:01] <holstein> astraljava: cool!...i look forward to hearing some tunes
[16:01] <astraljava> Will be needing you folks' instructions, a lot! :)
[16:02] <astraljava> It'll take time, for the first few anyway. But I'm confident I'll pick up pace as I go.
[16:03] <astraljava> Ok, heading home now. I guess that's the first pre-requirement. :D


[00:00] <cwillu> and I specifically don't see what unityshell is doing that changes the behaviour of move
[00:00] <cwillu> (et al)
[01:27] <cwillu> Trevinho, a quick test has revealed that lazy positioning is being defeated by a new'ish lock in move.cpp with a big fixme saying "It MUST be removed after 0.9.6 when we can [...] do lazy positioning correctly!"
[01:28] <cwillu> (added a printf to both sides of the branch that handles the individual move events, and every time compiz is hung, there's a slew of non-lazy)
[01:36]  * cwillu will try reverting https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz-core/compiz-core.fix_860304/+merge/77156 locally tomorrow
[02:14] <Trevinho> cwillu: good testing...
[06:12] <didrocks> good morning
[06:14] <cwillu> Well, a quick hack to ignore the lock hasn't blown anything up yet;  I'm sure it'll reintroduce a bunch of Fix Released bugs though
[07:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:36] <cousin_luigi> Cimi__: hello
[07:37] <cousin_luigi> Cimi__: Someone on #ubuntu-devel suggested to tell you about a small problem with gnome-session-fallback, namely the need to remove appmenu-gtk and appmenu-gtk3 to solve this http://i.imgur.com/SWwLI.jpg .
[07:39] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[09:48] <davidcalle> Hi kamstrup, anything I can do to  help pushing the pygobject SRU? :)
[10:22] <Andy80> I'm giving Gnome 3.2 a try... there are things that we should just copy, that's it :\
[10:23] <Andy80> and of course other things I don't like of it
[10:55] <kamstrup> davidcalle: you can poke tomeu or j5 on #python on GIMPNet to review the patch, or punk pitti into puttin up a test ppa or something...
[10:58] <mardy> Saviq: hi, I'm still working on the spread keyboard navigation, and I found another problem: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-21999
[10:59] <Saviq> mardy: looks related to my "missing label" experience
[10:59] <mardy> Saviq: it affects us, because when a workspace is zoomed in, if it has just two windows and you press "down", the focus is lost to another workspace which is not currently visible
[11:00] <mardy> Saviq: and it seems that I cannot workaround it (at least, so far I could come up with a decent solution)
[11:00] <Saviq> +not
[11:00] <mardy> Saviq: so I thought of this simple "solution":
[11:01] <mardy> Saviq: when the zoomed workspaces looses focus, it unzooms
[11:02] <mardy> Saviq: another solution would be to zoom to the workspace which got the focus, but I'm afraid it will be more confusing
[11:02] <Saviq> first one's better, IMO, but we need to prevent navigating to an empty workspace, /methinks
[11:03] <Saviq> or somehow indicate which workspace has focus
[11:03] <mardy> Saviq: I think that that will not happen, but I'll double check
[11:03] <Saviq> mardy: it does happen now, if you go down from the last window in a workspace
[11:03] <Saviq> the label is gone
[11:03] <Saviq> and focus looks lost
[11:05] <Saviq> mardy: hrm... ok now I think I get it... you don't want to move away from current workspace at all
[11:05] <Saviq> not with navigation keys, at least
[11:05] <Saviq> Tab / Shift+Tab, then?
[11:06] <Saviq> for me the most intuitive experience would be to treat all of the windows together as ~ one grid
[11:06] <Saviq> and Tab / Shift+Tab on top of that to move between the workspaces
[11:06] <mardy> Saviq: in my branch, the focus is never lost if the current workspace has more than 3 windows (because it has at least two columns, and two rows)
[11:07] <Saviq> yup, got it
[11:07] <Saviq> that's what you filed as the bg
[11:07] <mardy> Saviq: in other cases, it can get lost, but I don't know how to prevent this
[11:07] <mardy> Saviq: so I'm thinking of what the best way to deal with this situation is
[11:08] <Saviq> mardy: first thing, IMO - indicating currently focused workspace
[11:08] <Saviq> with some glow, or dimming the other ones
[11:08] <mardy> Saviq: that's indicated by the label, already
[11:08] <Saviq> only if there's a window in that wspace
[11:08] <mardy> Saviq: oh, right
[11:09] <Saviq> also, it seems now that if there are no windows in a workspace, you still need to click twice to get to it
[11:09] <Saviq> I don't particularly like the two-clicks to get to a window, myself
[11:10] <Saviq> I'd rather have a single click take me to my window directly, but that, I assume, is design decision
[11:11] <Saviq> mardy: in your Test.qml, you could have another empty cell in the "big" grid
[11:12] <Saviq> to see that the focus gets there
[11:12] <Saviq> and yeah, actually preventing from going to an empty wspace would be wrong
[11:12] <Saviq> you couldn't access it at all without a mouse
[11:12] <Saviq> u3d has an orange glow around current wspace
[11:14] <Saviq> and empty ones are desaturated
[11:16] <Saviq> mardy_: I'll paste in PM
[11:22] <Saviq> mardy_: tbh I'd disable keyNavigationWraps on both grids, looks more intuitive to me
[11:22] <Saviq> or at least in the inner ones
[11:25] <Saviq> with some complicated hackery on pressed keys with we could probably have a single-grid-like experience
[12:15] <davidcalle> kamstrup, thanks
[14:05] <apinheiro> njpatel, this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/843280
[14:05] <apinheiro> is marked as SRU0
[14:05] <njpatel> yep
[14:05] <apinheiro> but although I merged it last week, AFAIS, it is not included on unity/4.0
[14:05] <njpatel> really?
[14:05] <njpatel> damn
[14:05] <njpatel> didrocks, ^
[14:05] <njpatel> distropatch?
[14:06] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, I will look debian/patches
[14:06] <njpatel> apinheiro, can you please merge it into lp:unity/4.0 now?
[14:07] <apinheiro> should I wait first for didrocks?
[14:08] <didrocks> njpatel: apinheiro: sure merge
[14:08] <apinheiro> njpatel, ^
[14:08] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[14:08] <didrocks> njpatel: I'll pick with the unity-panel-service patch
[14:09] <njpatel> thanks
[14:10] <apinheiro> didrocks, so, in the end, should I merge this on lp:unity/4.0 or not?
[14:10] <didrocks> apinheiro: yes please, in lp:unity and unity/4.0
[14:15] <apinheiro> didrocks, it is already merged on lp:unity
[14:15] <apinheiro> so this is the reason I was asking about what to do with /4.0 ;)
[14:17] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, merge into it please
[14:18] <apinheiro> njpatel, didrocks well, it seems that it is already merged
[14:18] <apinheiro> I was just looking to the log, and I didn't find
[14:18] <apinheiro> that commit
[14:18] <apinheiro> sorry for the noise
[14:19] <njpatel> apinheiro, ah, okay
[14:20] <didrocks> apinheiro: great, it needs a test case then
[14:20] <didrocks> njpatel: ^
[14:20] <didrocks> steps to reproduce for the SRU
[14:21] <apinheiro> didrocks, a test case to reproduce the bug?
[14:21] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, like 1. enable a11y, 2…
[14:21] <didrocks> apinheiro: people needs to confirm it's fixed in the SRU bug
[14:23] <apinheiro> didrocks, hmm, it seems complex, as it was a race condition
[14:23] <apinheiro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/843280/comments/7
[14:24] <didrocks> apinheiro: ok, at least, ask to ensure that after xxx run, there is no more crash
[14:24] <didrocks> apinheiro: edit the description to state that
[14:25] <apinheiro> didrocks, btw, should I change the status from Fix Committed to Fix Released?
[14:25] <didrocks> apinheiro: not yet, we didn't change the upstream status as 4.24 is buggy
[14:26] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[14:26] <apinheiro> so I should change the description from "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" to something like "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() solved on 4.24"?
[14:26] <apinheiro> didrocks, ^
[14:28] <didrocks> apinheiro: not needed, just change the description (not bug title, the description which is the first comment) to "should be fixed in 4.24, ensure you don't get any crash after 5 sesssion restarts" for instance
[14:29] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[14:31] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:31] <apinheiro> njpatel, btw, as now the master is for 5.0
[14:31] <apinheiro> can I start to make the merge proposals for those huge a11y branches?
[14:32] <apinheiro> or should I wait
[14:32] <apinheiro> until things get lets in a rush for finalizing 4.24?
[14:32] <apinheiro> s/lets/less
[14:33] <njpatel> apinheiro, right
[14:33] <njpatel> yes, you can make proposals for lp:unity
[14:35] <pippo> can i kill who have invented unity user interface please??
[14:35] <pippo> i hati it
[14:35] <pippo> *hate
[14:36] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, thanks
[14:38] <greyback> Saviq: have you Unity3d handy? Can you check if Alt+F1 remembers state there? As in, Alt+F1, press down a few times, Escape, press Alt+F1 again. What is highlighted?
[14:38] <Saviq> greyback: alt+f1 doesn't work in u3d
[14:38] <Saviq> greyback: but I agree, it should reset to the dash icon
[14:38] <greyback> Saviq: Me too. Just wanted to check. Thanks. Merge req on its way
[15:02] <Saviq> greyback: I'll review your launcher fixes tomorrow, have no head for it at that point of the day and don't want to mess it up
[15:02] <greyback> Saviq: no problem. It took me a long time to get it working nicely (IMO anyway).
[15:10] <nerochiaro> does anyone know if the items returned by bamf_matcher_get_running_applications are ordered in any specific way ?
[21:57] <jderose> congrats everyone on a beautiful 11.10 release! really fantastic work :-D
[22:48] <Andy80> Trevinho: ping!


[00:55] <wallyworld> thumper: see the comment on the juju status bug? we have had discussions previously as to whether juju client should auto retry and have said no it shouldn't. it seems that's something juju wait could reasonably do?
[01:02] <anastasiamac> +1 that 'wait' should do it
[01:04] <anastasiamac> veebers: so under stress, cannot reproduce this inteermittent failure ;( however, if i interupt my stress testing, I am getting the same error.. m pondering what to do next (m not really keen to jump on ci machine... rather work locally)
[01:25] <veebers> anastasiamac: odd. Sounds like something is interrupted. Next time we see it in CI lets have a poke around on the lxd container that gets left there and check logs etc.
[01:25] <veebers> anastasiamac: as to repro locally, um, are you running it in a container?
[01:27] <veebers> anastasiamac: I'm just checking out what else we do in those tests
[01:27] <veebers> (to run those tests)
[01:28] <anastasiamac> veebers: no, not in the container locally...
[01:28] <anastasiamac> veebers: yes, we should
[01:29] <veebers> anastasiamac: is there a specific arch that it fails on?
[01:41] <veebers> anastasiamac: so the only things I can think of that are different from you doing it locally and in ci are: It's a 'shared' machine as in many things can be running on it, it's happening in a lxd container, it's setting up tmpfs of 20G and exporting TMPDIR .. . (although that machine has 250+GB of ram so should be sage)
[03:59] <anastasiamac> yeah, veebers, none of these strike me as potential cause..
[03:59] <anastasiamac> if it was due to a 'shared' ,achine, i would have expected failure to b visble under stress...
[03:59] <anastasiamac> i'll keep digging
[04:02] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: a small k8s PR - just some cleanup https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/9145
[04:05] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld, looking now
[04:15] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: maybe we should delete the namespace first
[04:15] <wallyworld> i think that would be safer
[04:15] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld, yeah,
[04:19] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: changes pushed
[04:21] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld, looks great, thanks
[04:22] <wallyworld> ty
[04:24] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: those lease timeout errors do seem to be gone now; my aws k8s deployment seems happy
[04:26] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: oh, awesome
[04:37] <kelvinliu_> github is down?
[04:48] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: look like it :-(
[04:52] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld, :-(
[04:52] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: but just cam back
[05:34] <kelvinliu_> yeah, it's just down for ~ half hr
[05:44] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld, got a minute to talk about kubeflow doc?
[05:45] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: yeah, sure
[09:01] <veebers> anastasiamac: hopefully you've cracked the invalid zip issue!
[09:01] <anastasiamac> veebers: so far so good...
[09:02] <anastasiamac> but i'd like to have at least 10 runs without the problem...
[09:03] <veebers> sweet
[09:03] <stickupkid> anastasiamac: thanks for doing this, it's been the bane of my life :D
[09:03] <anastasiamac> stickupkid: don't thank me yet... m just poking it a bit for now...
[10:13] <manadart> So what is the story with 2.3 and 2.4 branch dependencies? I check out the latest, run (the old) godeps command, but get build failures.
[10:13] <manadart> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/266CSCfpKp/
[10:18] <stickupkid> ouch, which branch is doing that one 2.4?
[10:19] <manadart> 2.3 and 2.4
[10:19] <stickupkid> let me test that
[10:20] <stickupkid> works for me?
[10:20] <stickupkid> did you run "export JUJU_MAKE_GODEPS=true; make godeps"
[10:27] <anastasiamac> manadart: stickupkid: for 2.3 and 2.4 u need to run ^^
[10:27] <anastasiamac> for 2.5 (develop) run 'make dep' to get dependencies
[10:33] <manadart> anastasiamac: Thanks. It's the removal of the vendor directory that I missed.
[10:33] <anastasiamac> manadart: oh yeah, it is easily missed but important :)
[10:37] <stickupkid> it does that automatically now in latest 2.4
[11:44] <rick_h_> howdy juju world
[12:59] <maaudet> Is there any ways to decide which root-disk type to use in AWS when adding a new machine?
[13:28] <kwmonroe> maaudet: i *think* you only get to specify the root-disk size.. i don't see a "volume-type" here: https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.4/en/reference-constraints -- that said, some aws instances have different storage characteristics (eg, the I3 instances have SSDs; see the storage-optimized tab here: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/).  so you might be able to get a root disk type indirectly by --constraints instance-
[13:28] <kwmonroe> type=foo.
[13:29] <kwmonroe> maaudet: there *is* support for volume-type when using juju storage (https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.4/en/charms-storage), but that's not root-disk, so it may not be what you're after.
[13:31] <rick_h_> maaudet: there's an iops setting I believe. Maybe that's just in juju storage?
[13:31] <maaudet> rick_h_: Yeah, I tried the setting and it only works for additional storages
[13:32] <maaudet> kwmonroe: I think that all instances types defaults to the same disk type in AWS
[13:32] <maaudet> Although, the default disk type differs from regions <_<
[13:32] <maaudet> Some regions have standard types, others SSD as defaults
[13:33] <maaudet> On another hand, it seems easy to switch to another disk type from the AWS console
[13:43] <admcleod> so... using 2.4.3, on s390x - i have model-config image-stream set to daily
[13:44] <admcleod> but /etc/cloud/build.info says 20180823, whereas "lxc image list ubuntu-daily:bionic/s390x" shows 20180830
[13:45] <admcleod> is there something else i can check before i log a bug?
[13:45] <kwmonroe> hey!  you're right maaudet.  i didn't grok the instance-types correctly, but a quick deploy on i3-large yields the same 'ol 8g slow disk as /dev/xvda1.  the difference in i3 vs our default is in the instance store (https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/InstanceStorage.html#instance-store-volumes), which is temporary storage, and not at all related to the root-disk :/
[13:50] <admcleod> oh
[13:50] <admcleod> image-stream is not container-image-stream
[13:50] <admcleod> thanks kwmonroe !
[13:50] <kwmonroe> :)
[13:50] <stickupkid> hml: so when you say verify lxd-profile, are you thinking that charm repo would validate the whitelist - or passing a validator to the charm validation?
[13:51] <stickupkid> hml: walking through the bundle validation, it's interesting
[13:54] <admcleod> alright so i changed container-image-stream to daily in the model and added a container and didnt get the daily image
[13:54] <admcleod> 5 min til bug
[13:55] <hml> stickupkid: I was just thinking to have validate in the charm … , but it doesn’t have to be.
[13:55] <stickupkid> hml: cool, just working my way through
[13:56] <hml> stickupkid: if we use the Profile structure of the lxd api - it’s very easy to unmarshall the yaml
[13:56] <stickupkid> hml: ooo, let me check that
[13:58] <stickupkid> hml: yeah, 100% agree, we could use api.Profile
[14:41] <hml> stickupkid: i looked at 9141, added a comment.  anything else?  i’ll put up a failing charm shortly
[14:41] <stickupkid> hml: done :D
[15:07] <hml> stickupkid: the failing charm pr: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/9147
[15:08] <stickupkid> hml: looks good to me :D
[15:08] <hml> stickupkid: ty!