[05:13] <NPC_Crys> Sorry, man I got nothin.
[05:14] <NPC_Crys> How do I find out what my audio device is.
[05:19] <geirhard> hello, i'm trying to change the owner of 2238 files, could someone tell me how can i change the owner of all of them without doing it one by one? (sorry if i speak badly, i'm not english...)
[05:21] <kkathman> geirhard: are the files all in the same directory?
[05:22] <geirhard> they are all in the same partition
[05:22] <kkathman> geirhard: but not in the same directory?
[05:22] <geirhard> but they are in diferent directorys, because it's all music
[05:22] <geirhard> no :(
[05:23] <kkathman> geirhard: if you can move them to the same directory temporarily, you can use sudo chown to mass change
[05:23] <geirhard> but i can do it directory by directory, at least it's better than do it file by file...
[05:23] <kkathman> geirhard: then do that
[05:23] <kkathman> use sudo chown
[05:23] <geirhard> okay, how do i do chown to mass?
[05:24] <geirhard> i do "sudo chown to mass change" ??
[05:24] <geirhard> xD
[05:24] <kkathman> geirhard: lets say your current ownership.group is  root.root
[05:24] <geirhard> yes
[05:24] <kkathman> geirhard: and your new owner is geirhard for instance
[05:24] <geirhard> and i want to make them "Geirhard.geirhard"
[05:25] <geirhard> yes, it is
[05:25] <kkathman> geirhard: yous go to the directory and do sudo chown Geirhard.geirhard *
[05:25] <geirhard> okay, and then all the files will be modified too?
[05:25] <kkathman> all of them...thats what the * is for
[05:25] <geirhard> okay thank you very much
[05:25] <kkathman> np
[05:26] <kkathman> geirhard: for more details on chown... do a    man chown
[05:28] <ganymed> sorry, was busy again...
[05:29] <ganymed> btw. this sudo stuff is really getting on my nerves... why can't i sudo from any account but only one in the sudoers file (with a password of such an account, e.g.)?
[05:33] <ganymed> ok, i have found out... it is a kde problem... konqueror is searching at the url "media:/hdb" but there is nothing... e.g. /cdrom works
[05:34] <NPC_Crys> Thought it might be a kde thing.
[05:34] <NPC_Crys> I should've spoke up. I'm dumb.
[05:34] <dark_suic> dandielionous, u still alive???? it's been more than an hour with the phone....
[05:34] <NPC_Crys> ganymed: add yourself to the sudoers file ifyou hateit.
[05:34] <kkathman> ganymed: not everyone needs sudo provileges, but if you are the admin, you can give them to anyone for limited use.
[05:35] <kakei> hi who can help me with this smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[05:35] <geirhard> do anyone know how to change the group of a file?
[05:35] <dark_suic> geirhard, chgrp newgroup file
[05:35] <NPC_Crys> kakei: I have no clue what you just said to us.
[05:36] <NPC_Crys> So not me.
[05:36] <kkathman> geirhard: with chown
[05:36] <kakei> NPC_Crys, when i use smb4k and try to mount a window folder it show that =)
[05:36] <dark_suic> kakei, not sure, but you've tried opening konqueror and writing smb:/
[05:36] <ganymed> kkathman: i don't want to give them to anyone... just want to be able to do sudo from what account so ever... without giving away security, of course
[05:36] <dark_suic> ?
[05:36] <geirhard> chown is for change the owner
[05:36] <kkathman> ganymed: what you are saying is conflicting
[05:37] <NPC_Crys> Oh. windows is being the ghey for linux then?
[05:37] <dark_suic> geirhard, i said chgrp
[05:37] <kakei> dark_suic, yes
[05:37] <kkathman> geirhard: it changes both actually
[05:37] <ganymed> ok, sorry, wrong expression
[05:37] <kkathman> man chown
[05:37] <dark_suic> kakei, it should work
[05:37] <kakei> but it doesnt
[05:37] <NPC_Crys> kakei: is your windows share set up to require a password?
[05:37] <NPC_Crys> Also, is your samba install borked?
[05:37] <kakei> no
[05:37] <kkathman> ganymed: any user can use sudo, but they have to be in the sudoers file
[05:37] <kakei> oh nvm
[05:38] <kkathman> ganymed: http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/man/sudoers.html
[05:38] <kakei> it works with smb:/ i was writing smb://
[05:38] <mcscruff> i cant get a java app to work, can someone help , http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491902
[05:38] <NPC_Crys> I love zSNES!
[05:38] <NPC_Crys> Yay!
[05:38] <ganymed> i am part of the sudoers. when i log into my girl friends account, for example, i want to do some admin work (with my password), but i don't want her to be able to do that with her account an dher password.
[05:38] <ganymed> thx
[05:38] <kkathman> chown [OPTION] ... OWNER[:[GROUP] ]  FILE...
[05:39] <geirhard> okay chgrp runs well thanks
[05:39] <kkathman> geirhard:  thats right out of the man page on chown
[05:39] <geirhard> chown only changes the owner
[05:39] <kkathman> geirhard: NO
[05:39] <kkathman> geez
[05:39] <geirhard> yes, it does
[05:39] <NPC_Crys> what is the awt toolkit?
[05:40] <Chronoz> i forgot to configure the network while installing kubuntu. what tool is used to do this now, after i installed?
[05:40] <geirhard> kkathman: when i put chown it only changes the owner
[05:40] <kkathman> geirhard: please read the man page on chown and you will see you are wrong. Ive used that command only about 1000 times
[05:40] <kkathman> you arent running it right then
[05:41] <geirhard> i do "chown 'file'" but then the file is "geirhard - root"
[05:41] <geirhard> and if i do chgrp 'file' it says geirard-geirhard (that's what i want)
[05:41] <kkathman> did you say  sudo chown owner[dot] group ???
[05:41] <kkathman> not space
[05:41] <kkathman> DOT
[05:41] <geirhard> oh, no, sorry jejeje but what is DOT?
[05:41] <kkathman> a period
[05:41] <jpatrick> .
[05:42] <NPC_Crys> owner.group
[05:42] <geirhard> "."?
[05:42] <geirhard> okay
[05:42] <kkathman> sigh
[05:42] <jpatrick> kkathman: eww (JOKING)
[05:42] <kkathman> jpatrick: please help me :)
[05:42] <kkathman> hehe
[05:42] <geirhard> jaja thanks thanks xD
[05:42] <Chronoz> . is obsolete, use : instead, since dot will be removed soon
[05:43] <NPC_Crys> How can you obsolete a punctuation.
[05:43] <NPC_Crys> ?
[05:43] <kkathman> ugh I hate that it will be too cuz thats a poor syntactical representation :(
[05:43] <Chronoz> NPC_Crys: i don't know, it just said so, when i tryed using it :P
[05:43] <kkathman> geez mine never said that at all
[05:44] <kkathman> Chronoz: you on a different kernel?
[05:44] <Chronoz> actualy i dont even use kubuntu
[05:44] <Chronoz> but gentoo
[05:44] <kkathman> well there ya go
[05:44] <kkathman> gentoo might be changing it
[05:44] <Chronoz> its still the same program though, might be just a different version
[05:45] <NPC_Crys> syntactical: Good word.
[05:45] <kkathman> different version of the kernel I reckon
[05:45] <Chronoz> or something ... doesnt matter. so, network configuration tool for kubuntu anyone? id find it my self, but as i said i dont have kubuntu, and its for my friend
[05:45] <kkathman> howdy GenghisKhan :)
[05:46] <kkathman> Chronoz: k-menu, system settings, network settings
[05:46] <Chronoz> ok, tnx
[05:46] <kkathman> np
[05:46] <rosco> hi
[05:46] <NPC_Crys> How is the transparency in kde? Stable or no?
[05:46] <mcscruff> Hi, im haveing trouble running a java app can someone help Please http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491902
[05:47] <rosco> someone has feedback about dapper for ppc ? does the touchpad react better ?
[05:47] <dandielionous> Okay I'm back.
[05:47] <dandielionous> dark_suic are you still there?
[05:47] <rosco> for a powerbook, I mean
[05:48] <kkathman> mcscruff looks like a class is missing
[05:48] <seicherlbob> stefano?
[05:49] <rosco> join #openvpn
[05:49] <seicherlbob> or anybody else? I killed my xserver config when installing ati-drivers.
[05:50] <dark_suic> dandielionous, more or less, im a bit busy now
[05:50] <dark_suic> hang on 5 minutes more :P
[05:50] <seicherlbob> now i started in recoverymode and used the old conf-file, but there are a couple of things working completely different
[05:50] <kkathman> seicherlbob: was it working before?
[05:50] <seicherlbob> more or less. better than now
[05:51] <dandielionous> Okay dark_suic
[05:51] <dandielionous> Sorry had company come over.
[05:51] <dandielionous> They're gone now.
[05:51] <kkathman> seicherlbob: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:51] <kkathman> if you havent already
[05:51] <seicherlbob> kkathman: no, i wanted to ask here before i do that.
[05:51] <dandielionous> Going for tea be right back.
[05:51] <dark_suic> don't mind :)
[05:52] <kkathman> okies
[05:53] <seicherlbob> the cards bus identifier????
[05:53] <dandielionous> back
[05:54] <dark_suic> dandielionous, i am ok now
[05:54] <dandielionous> Great I was hoping dark_suic that you could help me get this going now.
[05:54] <dark_suic> you have synaptic opened?
[05:55] <dandielionous> Yes I do.
[05:55] <dark_suic> well
[05:55] <dark_suic> config-repositories
[05:55] <dandielionous> yes
[05:55] <dark_suic> click on new
[05:56] <dandielionous> done
[05:56] <dark_suic> on url write:
[05:56] <dark_suic> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:56] <dark_suic> on distribution:
[05:56] <dark_suic> breezy
[05:56] <dark_suic> on section(s):
[05:56] <dark_suic> universe multiverse
[05:57] <dark_suic> (exactly like that, one space, not commas)
[05:57] <dandielionous> Do I need the back thing too?
[05:57] <monad> hi... how can i switch off kdm permanently?
[05:57] <geirhard> do anyone know wich is better: to have root files with permisions to the users, or to have users files directly?
[05:58] <dark_suic> not for now
[05:58] <dark_suic> maybe later :)
[05:58] <dandielionous> How about that fact I'm using kubuntu?
[05:58] <dark_suic> but for now, this should be enought
[05:58] <dark_suic> click ok
[05:58] <dark_suic> me too ;)
[05:58] <dandielionous> Does it make a difference?
[05:58] <dandielionous> Ok kewl ::)
[05:58] <dark_suic> no, they're the same os, but with different desktop :)
[05:58] <dark_suic> click ok there
[05:59] <dark_suic> now, on synaptic main window
[05:59] <dark_suic> click on... reload
[05:59] <dandielionous> It said repositories have changed I have to click on reload.
[05:59] <dandielionous> lol
[05:59] <dark_suic> yeah :)
[05:59] <dandielionous> It's doing it.
[05:59] <dandielionous> :)
[05:59] <dandielionous> So great to have something actually working.
[06:00] <geirhard> xD
[06:00] <dark_suic> when finished -> click on search :)
[06:00] <dark_suic> search kmymoney
[06:00] <dandielionous> I think it's done.
[06:00] <dark_suic> and it should appear :)
[06:00] <dandielionous> Okay searching for kmymoney2?
[06:00] <dandielionous> I clicked on search it says all.
[06:01] <geirhard> do anyone know wich is better: to have root files with permisions to the users, or to have users files directly? i don't mind, i can wait
[06:01] <seicherlbob> going for a restart again. if i don't get back i smashed my laptop outa window
[06:02] <dark_suic> dandielionous, did synaptic found kmymoney?
[06:02] <dandielionous> omg kmymoney2 appeared.
[06:02] <dandielionous> lol
[06:02] <dandielionous> I had clicked on the wrong search before.
[06:02] <dark_suic> :D
[06:02] <dandielionous> I found the right button.
[06:02] <dark_suic> then right click -> install package :)
[06:02] <dandielionous> So now I install it?
[06:02] <kkathman> geirhard: I dont know that root files should be given to all users, but thats your decision as an Administrator
[06:02] <dandielionous> okay.
[06:02] <kkathman> geirhard: root ownership on files is there for a reason
[06:03] <dark_suic> and when it's marked, you have to click on apply (or apply changes, don't remember properly :P)
[06:03] <dandielionous> Right click doesn't seem to be working.
[06:03] <dandielionous> I have it highlighted.
[06:03] <dark_suic> well, double click then
[06:03] <dandielionous> okay
[06:03] <dark_suic> it will ask you to install 2 more packages (at least :P)
[06:04] <geirhard> no, it's all music so i don't mind, but i needed to know what's de difference...
[06:04] <dandielionous> Yes it asked me about 2 more packages. I said mark.
[06:04] <dark_suic> yep :)
[06:04] <dark_suic> now click apply
[06:04] <dark_suic> and it will start downloading and after that installing
[06:05] <kkathman> geirhard: my suggestion would be to create a group called "music" then change the music files group to "music" then give your users access to that group
[06:05] <dandielionous> summary says one package will be held back.
[06:05] <dandielionous> 3 to be installed.
[06:05] <dandielionous> I clicked apply.
[06:05] <dark_suic> click ok :)
[06:05] <dandielionous> Now I guess I click apply
[06:06] <dandielionous> It's downloading and installing.
[06:06] <geirhard> if i make a group "music" then wich user do i put in?
[06:06] <dandielionous> Are all packages this easy?
[06:06] <dark_suic> :)
[06:06] <dark_suic> this is the same as doing sudo apt-get install kmymoney2 :)
[06:06] <dandielionous> Thank God if they are.
[06:06] <dark_suic> yep :)
[06:06] <geirhard> i'm an only user xD
[06:06] <dandielionous> So good.
[06:06] <dark_suic> now you just have to search and click and apply :)
[06:06] <dandielionous> I want to use my computer.
[06:06] <dandielionous> I wonder what package was held back.
[06:07] <dandielionous> ty so much
[06:07] <seicherlbob> wooohooo
[06:07] <geirhard> so i thinked to make the files owner to geirhard, and all problems left
[06:07] <dandielionous> What do I do about the back thing?
[06:07] <seicherlbob> i got my xserver back
[06:07] <dandielionous> I need to make notes.
[06:07] <dark_suic> dandielionous, backports are repositories with even more packages, but... how to say... "not official"
[06:07] <dark_suic> they're not completely tested
[06:08] <seicherlbob> anybody ever installed ati-drivers on a laptop?
[06:08] <dandielionous> Okay I don't want something that will mess me up.
[06:08] <kkathman> geirhard: if you are an admin, you can assign anyone to a group
[06:08] <dark_suic> oh, they're not a problem, but if you don't need something in backports you shouldn't have to add them :)
[06:09] <dandielionous> kmymoney2 is installed.
[06:09] <dandielionous> heheheheh
[06:09] <dark_suic> :)
[06:09] <dandielionous> I don't know what is in backports so I don't know what I'm missing. lol
[06:09] <geirhard> i prefer to make the owner files geirhard because there's no other user
[06:09] <dark_suic> great!
[06:09] <NPC_Crys> Is it bad form to post a screenshot with a live chat room in it?
[06:09] <dark_suic> dandielionous, if you need a package that isn't in synaptic now, it will probably be at backports, but ...
[06:09] <NPC_Crys> Nevermind. I'm going to open a blank one.
[06:10] <dandielionous> That url for downloading the multiverse and universe I need to make a note of that.
[06:10] <dandielionous> I will probably need that later.
[06:10] <dark_suic> synaptic will tell you how many packages u have avaible
[06:10] <dandielionous> 17,785 packages available.
[06:10] <dandielionous> I think that would fill up my hard drive.
[06:11] <dandielionous> The only other thing I have to figure out is how to get radio music off the internet.
[06:11] <dark_suic> :P
[06:11] <dandielionous> Then I'm pretty much all set.
[06:11] <dark_suic> i think that amarok can do that ...
[06:11] <dark_suic> although i'm not for sure with that
[06:12] <dandielionous> I can learn at a slower pace not so frantic like the last three, four weeks.
[06:12] <dandielionous> I think I can work that out.
[06:12] <dandielionous> I have a lot of exploring to do.
[06:12] <dark_suic> well, yesterday it was too late and i didn't remember synaptic :P
[06:12] <dandielionous> I really appreciate the help.
[06:12] <dark_suic> yeah :)
[06:12] <dandielionous> lol That's kewl.
[06:12] <dandielionous> I was tired yesterday.
[06:12] <dark_suic> i would suggest you to read apt-get howto on ubuntuguide.com
[06:12] <dandielionous> Today I had the day off.
[06:12] <dandielionous> ty I will do that.
[06:13] <dandielionous> I'll be back but right now I'm off to explore this new operating system and get my life back on track.
[06:13] <dandielionous> I really want to write a book not spend all my time learning this program.
[06:13] <dandielionous> So I really appreciate the help getting me started so I can use it.
[06:14] <dark_suic> :)
[06:14] <dandielionous> Later :)
[06:14] <dark_suic> then i guess i'm going too :)
[06:14] <dandielionous> If I can help you sometime let me know.
[06:14] <dark_suic> good luck
[06:14] <dandielionous> ty so much
[06:15] <knubbe> what should i do to upgrade to kde 3.5?
[06:15] <knubbe> ive done everything on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:15] <knubbe> and i ran an apt-get upgrade and it fetched the new packages
[06:15] <knubbe> but it still says i run 3.4.3
[06:16] <dark_suic> well, then restarting  x server will get you to kde3.5
[06:16] <SethGecko> and in kdm you should choose 3.5
[06:16] <knubbe> ah yea. i rebooted too.
[06:16] <SethGecko> -o
[06:16] <dark_suic> (end current session -> hit ctrl-alt-backspace -> xserver restarted...)
[06:16] <dark_suic> u sure?
[06:16] <dark_suic> too :P
[06:17] <knubbe> oh..
[06:17] <knubbe> maybe i forgot about the dist-upgrade :-)
[06:17] <dark_suic> xD
[06:17] <dark_suic> maybe :P
[06:18] <masterloki> Hi here A few days ago I was erasing a lot of files
[06:19] <masterloki> Suddenly KDE send a "disk full error"
[06:19] <masterloki> and now some files I didn't erase are gone
[06:19] <masterloki> several gigas of video and images
[06:19] <masterloki> what the hell is going on
[06:20] <NPC_Crys> Hey, I need someone to take a look at this for me. http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[06:20] <NPC_Crys> Anyone who understands apt.
[06:21] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:21] <masterloki> insert deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[06:21] <NPC_Crys> sudo vim?
[06:21] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: as you wish
[06:22] <NPC_Crys> is vi a text editer?
[06:22] <masterloki> yes
[06:22] <buz> bu i dont think you want to use vi
[06:22] <masterloki> is the (almost) same thing
[06:22] <masterloki> sudo aptitude update
[06:22] <NPC_Crys> nano okay then?
[06:22] <buz> yes
[06:22] <buz> much easier
[06:23] <kkathman> masterloki: did you really delete them or did they get moved to the trash?
[06:23] <masterloki> kkathman: I was deleting other files in the same carpet
[06:24] <masterloki> kkathman: but for example the wallpapers carpet, I even touch ut
[06:24] <masterloki> it
[06:24] <kkathman> masterloki: maybe some still remain because that particular partition is full... check your trash and see if it needs to be emptied :)
[06:24] <masterloki> kkathman: is empty
[06:25] <masterloki> kkathman: but I checked it before empty it
[06:25] <kkathman> masterloki: baffling to me too :)
[06:25] <NPC_Crys> Okay. Just added those repositories. How can I be sure it worked?
[06:26] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: Do you already have wine?
[06:26] <NPC_Crys> Yeah, but I'm not sure it is the latest stable version.
[06:26] <NPC_Crys> I know I got it from ubuntu main though.
[06:27] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: then you should edit your /etp/apt/preferences file
[06:27] <masterloki> and add this
[06:28] <masterloki> kkathman: So any ideas, at this rate I'm going to lose all my data
[06:28] <kkathman> masterloki: how are you "deleting" your files...through konq ??
[06:29] <masterloki> kkathman: yes
[06:29] <masterloki> kkathman: I began with konqueror
[06:29] <NPC_Crys> It looks like I have wine installed, and it says that I can upgrade if I like.
[06:29] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: go ahead then :)
[06:30] <masterloki> kkathman: but then when I got the error, I started to use rm
[06:31] <NPC_Crys> And how do I make sure that It's not the beta?
[06:31] <NPC_Crys> NM
[06:31] <NPC_Crys> I just remembered that wine is constantly beta.
[06:32] <kkathman> masterloki: if you are using rm now..I cant see why they arent gone
[06:32] <kkathman> masterloki: are you getting error messages still?
[06:32] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: Beta is not as bad as many people say thing
[06:33] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: You may check the last beta release and see if it what you got
[06:33] <masterloki> kkathman: no
[06:33] <kkathman> masterloki: well thats good I suppose
[06:33] <kkathman> what does your disk usage report?
[06:34] <masterloki> first was 68% this morning is 52% !!
[06:35] <kkathman> masterloki: you probably need to check your logfiles
[06:35] <cameron> anyone know what the command is to remove a symbolic link?  :P
[06:35] <masterloki> which log?
[06:35] <kkathman> masterloki: well something is filling up somewhere right?
[06:36] <masterloki> let me check
[06:41] <kkathman> masterloki:   du -h | sort -n
[06:43] <NPC_Crys> So does adept use dpkg or apt-get?
[06:44] <NPC_Crys> And does gimp run okay in kde?
[06:44] <C-O-L-T> I AM CURRENTLY AWAY
[06:45] <beast> gimp runs great in kde
[06:45] <kkathman> beast sure why not?
[06:46] <beast> NPC_Crys asked if it did
[06:46] <kkathman> ah ok
[06:46] <kkathman> hehe
[06:46] <kkathman> Ive been going back and forth here
[06:46] <NPC_Crys> I ran banshee and it didn't actually run;.
[06:46] <kkathman> NPC_Crys: neither, but adept does use the /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:46] <_bubba> anyone have trouble using a USB HP printer with CUPS on KDE?
[06:47] <kkathman> _bubba not at all
[06:47] <_bubba> mine worked great until I installed the KDE desktop package
[06:47] <kkathman> _bubba: but I will admit that my printer is on a winbox on my network
[06:47] <_theo> has anyone here succesfully compiled a 2.6.15 kernel??
[06:47] <_bubba> i have run the KDE printer wizard about a 100 times
[06:48] <kkathman> _bubba: what kinds of problems occur?
[06:48] <_bubba> it either just queues the document and i have to restart the printer over and over
[06:49] <_bubba> or if the printer stays on it says processing forever
[06:49] <kkathman> _bubba: so it seems the document is "getting" to the printer then?
[06:49] <_bubba> according to KDE Print it is
[06:50] <kkathman> _bubba: I dunno if that doesnt sound like a driver problem of some sort
[06:50] <kkathman> _bubba: could you print a test page?
[06:50] <_bubba> yeah i would think so too, I have added and selected every driver mentioned on the forums
[06:50] <masterloki> kkathman: Is this a log of what I have erased?
[06:50] <_bubba> i can print a test page from the printer itself but not from the computer
[06:50] <cameron> A program im trying to install is claiming that it cant find the sources file... but when I provide the sources file location, it still doesnt work...
[06:50] <cameron> any ideas?
[06:51] <kkathman> _bubba: ahh ok I was going to suggest that you try another driver but youve done that
[06:51] <kkathman> masterloki: no if you do a du -h | sort -nr | more    it will show you your big directories
[06:51] <_bubba> its weird because when i first installed Kubuntu, it addded the first time i tried to print and it worked very well
[06:51] <NPC_Crys> What's up with this jack sound server?
[06:51] <masterloki> :O
[06:52] <kkathman> _bubba: have you tried to remove the printer completely, reboot, and then adding it again?
[06:52] <_bubba> yes
[06:52] <kkathman> _bubba: just for grins, make sure cups is running (i know simple, but I have to at least mention it)
[06:52] <_bubba> i have tried it with the printer off and with the printer turned on
[06:52] <_bubba> it is
[06:53] <kkathman> is the printer on a winbox or a linux box?
[06:53] <_bubba> actually i dont know to check to see if it is, but i have restarted it from the konsole numerous times
[06:53] <_bubba> and CUPSYS is showing to be running
[06:53] <kkathman> _bubba  just run ksysguard and look for it in the processes
[06:54] <_bubba> its a local printer on this computer, still works fine in windows
[06:54] <kkathman> _bubba: OH the printer is on the computer you are on?? And you can print to it FROM a winbox?
[06:54] <C-O-L-T> Help me
[06:54] <C-O-L-T> I need something like arcsoft dvd slideshow
[06:54] <_bubba> i can print to it when this computer is booted in windows
[06:55] <C-O-L-T> so i can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:55] <_bubba> its says CUPSD is running
[06:55] <kkathman> _bubba: Ohh ok
[06:55] <_bubba> but i dont see CUPSYS
[06:55] <kkathman> _bubba: if its on your linux box, I dont think you have to use CUPS
[06:55] <kkathman> but I cant help on that, cuz I dont have that situation :(
[06:56] <C-O-L-T>  I need a program that with it I can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:56] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: like powerpoint
[06:56] <_bubba> i didnt think so either but on the forum it says if I dont i will have limited functionality, but i tried it under the old Linux app alos
[06:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: with that i can not make that
[06:56] <_bubba> also*
[06:56] <C-O-L-T>  I need a program that with it I can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:56] <kkathman> oh in video format
[06:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: video format
[06:56] <kkathman> dont know
[06:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: dvd album
[06:57] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: like arcsoft's dvd slideshow
[06:57] <kkathman> _bubba: no clue what could be wrong at this point
[06:57] <kkathman> sorry :(
[06:58] <kkathman> youve done the things I would have :)
[06:58] <_bubba> thanks anyways, i appreciate it
[06:58] <C-O-L-T>  I need a program that with it I can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:58] <kkathman> _bubba: sorry my friend that I couldnt be of more help
[06:58] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: try going to sourceforge and browsing there
[06:58] <_bubba> no prob, one way or another I will get it, its not an emergency
[06:58] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I am lazy
[06:59] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: well in the time you wait here, you could be getting an answer
[06:59] <kkathman> one cannot be lazy and learn linux I fear :)
[07:00] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: i got at #ubuntu http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=100188
[07:00] <C-O-L-T> DVD SLIDESHOW
[07:00] <cameron> *pulls hair out*  I give a program im trying to install the filepath to the sources, and it still cant find them!  Anyone have any ideas at all??
[07:01] <kkathman> cameron: what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:02] <cameron> install ndiswrapper -- updateing to kde3.5 broke it... so It was reccomended that I uninstall/reinstall
[07:02] <cameron> so, I uninstalled it.
[07:02] <cameron> and now, it cant find the sources.
[07:03] <kkathman> cameron: you sure they are still around - the sources I mean
[07:03] <cameron> yep
[07:03] <cameron> ive located them manually
[07:03] <kkathman> cameron: its not unusual for things to be somewhat broken wrt to 3.5. KDE 3.5 is a transition release and many components and even applications were held back
[07:04] <cameron> and uninstalled / reinstalled them (deleating the package so they'd be redownloaded to make sure)
[07:04] <kkathman> its why I dont recommend that "upgrade"
[07:04] <cameron> >.<
[07:04] <kkathman> so you went and did the an apt-get remove <pkg>
[07:05] <cameron> yes
[07:05] <cameron> and apt-get install <pkg>
[07:05] <kkathman> cameron: and now what happens when you do the install?
[07:05] <kkathman> it says that dependent pkgs are not there?
[07:05] <cameron> no
[07:06] <cameron> Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12;
[07:06] <cameron> which is where they are.
[07:06] <kkathman> Hey raphink :)
[07:06] <kkathman> cameron: ooooooo
[07:07] <kkathman> cameron: have you recently done a dist-upgrade?
[07:07] <kkathman> or run an adept updater?
[07:07] <cameron> kkathman: yes
[07:07] <cameron> did a dist-upgrade before 3.5
[07:08] <kkathman> that sounds like you ran the adept-updater and got a kernel release but forgot to do the dist-upgrade
[07:08] <kkathman> but if you did, Im baffled
[07:08] <cameron> whats the command to do it?
[07:08] <cameron> I may be thinking of a different one
[07:09] <cameron> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:09] <kkathman> cameron: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:09] <Paradoxx> what do you all think about linus's view on KDE vs Gnome?
[07:09] <JDahl> what's there difference between kubuntu dapper and ubuntu dapper with kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:09] <kkathman> JDahl: nothing
[07:09] <kkathman> well
[07:09] <cameron> kkathman: dist-upgrade did nothing
[07:09] <kkathman> JDahl: if you do the latter you have BOTH dms
[07:10] <kkathman> cameron: sounds very odd
[07:10] <cameron> whats the command to check kernel version?
[07:10] <cameron> kkathman: yeah =\
[07:11] <jpat|away> cameron: rname or something
[07:11] <JabberWokky> Anybody know if there's anything special needed when installing on an Adaptec RAID controller?  I configured it to mirror two 400GB drives, but I'm seeing 800GB at the Partition Disks install screen (step 3 or so in 5.10 install)
[07:11] <kkathman> cameron: uname -a
[07:12] <cameron> ok, so I am running the correct sources
[07:12] <cameron> :P
[07:12] <kkathman> cameron: do you still have the KDE3.5 repos enabled?
[07:13] <cameron> yes
[07:13] <kkathman> cameron:  i imagine they are ok, but you might just try commenting that one out and doing the dist-upgrade again...just a thought (i dont think it will do anything)
[07:13] <kkathman> Tm_T:  are you around today ????
[07:14] <kkathman> cameron: Tm_T is very good source for these kinds of issues...so is apokryphos :)
[07:15] <cameron> kk
[07:15] <kkathman> Ive tried to page them for you
[07:15] <kkathman> nalioth would be good also, but he's still asleep
[07:15] <cameron> sleep is good :)
[07:15] <kkathman> ROFL yes
[07:16] <jahshua--> hey i just downloaded a movie with bittorrent and its like 93 individual .rar files .. how do i put them all together to make it one ... movie
[07:16] <cameron> heh. ended up goign to bed at almost 5am last night trying to fix this
[07:16] <jahshua--> heh
[07:17] <cameron> jahshua--: extract the first one, it should end up as one big video file
[07:18] <cameron> kkathman: apparently my sources are not configured... and yet they are installed.   Any idea what this means?
[07:21] <jahshua--> cameron: really? someone else just suggested gfslice ?
[07:21] <ClayG> nah use unrar or whatever nix's version is
[07:22] <cameron> jahshua--: there things like xx00 through xx12 <-- 12 can be anything...  right?
[07:22] <ClayG> it should be either 1 or 2 files. usually a .bin and a .cue or a .mpg if only one. sometimes they come in .avi
[07:22] <Tm_T> ?
[07:22] <Tm_T> cameron: problems?
[07:23] <ClayG> god firefox crashes even on nix
[07:23] <ClayG> wow, i thought it was a windows thing
[07:23] <cameron> Tm_T: ive installed the 2.6.12 sources, but apparently they are not configured... ive been trying to install ndiswrapper, and the sources cant be found
[07:23] <Tm_T> cameron: headers too
[07:23] <cameron> Tm_T: even after providing the path to the installer
[07:23] <cameron> Tm_T: ive got the headers
[07:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:24] <cameron> ls: /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/.config
[07:24] <cameron> gives me no such file or drectory
[07:24] <cameron> if that helps at all
[07:24] <Tm_T> cameron: try reinstalling
[07:24] <cameron> Tm_T: I have, a few times :P
[07:24] <Tm_T> I don't know much about kernel things
[07:25] <cameron> kk
[07:25] <cameron> :S
[07:26] <kkathman> sigh
[07:26] <kkathman> cameron:  you might need to jump over to #ubuntu
[07:27] <ClayG> is there anyting as good as firefox that isn't firefox
[07:27] <ClayG> im sick of it doing the default profile crap
[07:27] <ClayG> where it doesn't load and disappearts
[07:27] <cameron> kkathman: ok, thanks for your help :)
[07:28] <NPC_Crys> how do I kill a program?
[07:28] <Tm_T> killall <program> or kill <pid>
[07:29] <NPC_Crys> how do I see the pid?
[07:29] <ClayG> ah killall firefox didnt work
[07:29] <NPC_Crys> I need killall winebut it wont work.
[07:29] <cameron> NPC_Crys: sudo?
[07:30] <ClayG> ps -aux
[07:30] <NPC_Crys> wine: no process killed.
[07:30] <kkathman> ClayG: it loads and disappears because you  already have it running...go to ksysguard and kill any ghosts of it then restart
[07:30] <ClayG> no it was because i was calling if the wrong thing
[07:30] <ClayG> killall firefox-bin
[07:30] <NPC_Crys> Got it!
[07:30] <ClayG> was what i needed
[07:30] <kkathman> ok
[07:30] <NPC_Crys> I killalled konsole.
[07:30] <kkathman> well same idea ;)
[07:31] <NPC_Crys> Good thing I used konsole to rune wine steam.exe
[07:31] <eaffe> hi
[07:31] <NPC_Crys> What will #regsys32 do?
[07:32] <minoss> Elo everyone
[07:32] <NPC_Crys> I mean #regsvr32 mozctlx.dll?
[07:33] <NPC_Crys> Hello, minos.
[07:33] <minoss> Anybody tha can help a noop plz?
[07:33] <NPC_Crys> Don't ask to ask. Just ask.
[07:33] <NPC_Crys> We'll help if we can.
[07:33] <_frank_> Hello @ll
[07:34] <eaffe> i have a question concerning shell scripts in X : i wrote a script to turn on/off my wifi and it works from the shell, but when starting it from X nothing happens
[07:34] <kkathman> hi  _frank_
[07:34] <kkathman> eaffe: prolly you need to do a chmod +x
[07:34] <eaffe> no
[07:34] <eaffe> allready done it
[07:35] <kkathman> eaffe: hmm ok
[07:35] <eaffe> it just doesn't open a shell, I suppose
[07:35] <minoss> Elo can anyone plz help me
[07:35] <kkathman> eaffe: are you calling it with /bin/bash ??
[07:35] <eaffe> ?
[07:35] <kkathman> minoss: ask your question please
[07:35] <Tm_T> exactly
[07:35] <minoss> ok t6hx
[07:36] <kkathman> eaffe: you need to precede it with /bin/bash/<command>
[07:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: nnnnoo!
[07:36] <ClayG> is there a better place than ebay to buy networking equip?
[07:36] <kkathman> Tm_T:  no?? thats what I've done
[07:36] <ClayG> I went out to home depot last night, 5 bucks a rj45 jack
[07:36] <eaffe> you mean putting /bin/bash on top of the script ?
[07:36] <kkathman> Tm_T says no..but thats what I did...so I will turn you over to Tm_T
[07:36] <Tm_T> eaffe: firs line in this format: #!/bin/sh
[07:37] <Tm_T> and next lines are your script
[07:37] <eaffe> Tm_T: Iknow
[07:37] <Tm_T> ok
[07:37] <Tm_T> then that part is ok
[07:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: to you too ;)
[07:37] <eaffe> kkathman: what did you mean ?
[07:37] <kkathman> minoss ??? questions ?
[07:37] <Tm_T> aseigo: hello sir
[07:37] <kkathman> Tm_T:  mine have /bin/bash  not /bin/sh
[07:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: both works, sh is lighter
[07:38] <Tm_T> and enough most of the time
[07:38] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off, see you later ->
[07:38] <eaffe> kkathman: the thing is, that it works when calling ./wlanoff.sh from the shell but nit when doubleclicking it in X
[07:38] <minoss> If i go in my network setting and click administrator mode it ask me 4 a password.When i tipe it in it goes open and close very fast.Need to change my dns add enable my second network adapter.Plz help
[07:39] <kkathman> eaffe: did you create an icon?
[07:39] <eaffe> kkathman: it is on the desktop
[07:40] <kkathman> eaffe: right...so what did you put as the command?
[07:40] <eaffe> kkathman: which command ? I created a script in the /home/username/Desktop folder
[07:41] <cameron> kkathman: I think I found part of the problem... I got the newer sources with the dist-upgrade... but it didnt give me the newer headers aswell!
[07:41] <kkathman> eaffe: if you put the /bin/sh  or /bin/bash in your script as Tm_T said, and you made it chmod +x, then you should be able to launch with "/usr/bin/local/<cmd>"  or whereever you put it
[07:41] <kkathman> cameron: that could very well be
[07:41] <dandielionous> Anyone know anything about amorak?
[07:42] <dandielionous> :)
[07:42] <kkathman> eaffe: I guess when I put a icon on my desktop I right click and link to app
[07:42] <minoss>  If i go in my network setting and click administrator mode it ask me 4 a password.When i tipe it in it goes open and close very fast.Need to change my dns add enable my second network adapter.Plz help
[07:42] <dark_suic> amorak?
[07:42] <dark_suic> dandielionous, you mean amarok?
[07:42] <dandielionous> uh yes
[07:42] <dandielionous> lol
[07:42] <dark_suic> :P
[07:42] <dandielionous> I thought you were leaving.
[07:42] <dandielionous> :)
[07:42] <dark_suic> i did
[07:42] <dark_suic> :P
[07:42] <dandielionous> Me too for a little while.
[07:42] <eaffe> kkathman: I think the problem is more something like that it does not start a shell window ..?
[07:43] <dark_suic> well, never leave the channel, but i do leave the chair xD
[07:43] <dandielionous> I was just trying to get amarok configured.
[07:43] <dark_suic> :)
[07:43] <dark_suic> amarok needs an additional package for playing mp3, now that i remember...
[07:43] <dark_suic> k3b-mp3 i think
[07:43] <dandielionous> I wondered if there was an easier softer way like what you showed me before.
[07:43] <minoss> Network problems.Can anyone help me plz
[07:44] <dandielionous> I'm not really sure what mp3 is other than music.
[07:44] <dandielionous> I want to listen to radio stations.
[07:44] <eaffe> kkathman: because when I put f.ex. konsole as second line it opens the console but does not execute the rest of the script
[07:44] <dandielionous> But it tells me I can't find the wave files.
[07:44] <dark_suic> ok :P
[07:44] <dandielionous> Or it just sits there and buffers.
[07:44] <dark_suic> don't know
[07:44] <dandielionous> I guess I could download music eventually.
[07:44] <dark_suic> don't listen to internet radio stations :P
[07:44] <dandielionous> But you think I need an additional file?
[07:45] <dark_suic> for playing mp3 you do
[07:45] <dandielionous> I'd like to find some things I don't have in my jds.
[07:45] <kkathman> eaffe: ahh.. hmm
[07:45] <dandielionous> cds
[07:45] <dandielionous> sorry
[07:45] <dark_suic> :)
[07:45] <flujan> exit
[07:45] <kkathman> minoss could you please ask your network question
[07:45] <dandielionous> Well that sounds like another long project.
[07:45] <minoss> ok
[07:45] <cameron> kkathman: yeah, that was the problem, headers didnt get updated >.<
[07:45] <minoss>  If i go in my network setting and click administrator mode it ask me 4 a password.When i tipe it in it goes open and close very fast.Need to change my dns add enable my second network adapter.Plz help
[07:45] <dark_suic> i'm seeing that amarok doesn't get signals from inet radio stations :(
[07:45] <dandielionous> I have kmymoney set up now.
[07:45] <kkathman> cameron: excellent!! thats good to hear you got it fixed!!
[07:45] <dark_suic> or at least not without plugins i don't know :)
[07:46] <dandielionous> Does kaffein?
[07:46] <dark_suic> that's good
[07:46] <kkathman> dandielionous: kmymoney is excellent
[07:46] <dark_suic> minoss, sudo kcontrol
[07:46] <dandielionous> I really like it.
[07:46] <dark_suic> that won't ask you for root pass, minoss
[07:46] <minoss> ?
[07:46] <dandielionous> I was using mymoney on windows.
[07:46] <dark_suic> dandielionous, i don't know... hang on a sec :P
[07:46] <kkathman> minoss did you just install kubuntu?
[07:46] <dandielionous> Then tried the gnucash or something like that for Mandrake Linux.
[07:46] <dandielionous> Very hard but I got it.
[07:47] <minoss> Hey i don't knoe linux at all
[07:47] <dandielionous> kmymoney looks like a breeze compared to the others I've used.
[07:47] <dandielionous> Welcome to my world minoss.
[07:47] <dark_suic> dandielionous, kaffeine does receive :)
[07:47] <dandielionous> lol
[07:47] <kkathman> minoss please run your adept updater and fetch updates and install them...that will fix your administrator problem you are experiencing
[07:47] <minoss> lol
[07:47] <dandielionous> kewl ty dark.
[07:47] <dandielionous> I thinnk I'm going to have to research that.
[07:47] <eaffe> deos someone else have a key to my problem ?
[07:47] <dark_suic> minoss, just execute in a konsole "sudo kcontrol"
[07:47] <dandielionous> I tried to put a url in kaffein and itdoesn't work.
[07:48] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[07:48] <kkathman> dark_suic: that wont do it...cuz he needs to get the updates
[07:48] <dandielionous> And tried to connect to shoutcast and have amarok handle it and that didn't work.
[07:48] <kkathman> its a very common problem
[07:48] <dandielionous> <<<female
[07:48] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it's not opening an url
[07:48] <dandielionous> no
[07:48] <dandielionous> so I think maybe I'm missing something.
[07:48] <dark_suic> it's going to file -> net broadcasting ->receive
[07:48] <kkathman> minoss: open k-menu, and choose adept updater and run it
[07:49] <dark_suic> there you should put the url and the port
[07:49] <dark_suic> and it should work...
[07:49] <dandielionous> I'm getting a popup.
[07:49] <dark_suic> but don't trust at all in me, i haven't tested it
[07:49] <dandielionous> OH amorak was in my taskbar.
[07:49] <dandielionous> Giving me little popups it
[07:49] <minoss> k-menu?
[07:49] <minoss> konsole
[07:49] <dandielionous> it's changing sounds.
[07:49] <dark_suic> :P
[07:50] <dandielionous> or tracks but I have no sound.
[07:50] <dandielionous> ksCd will play music from my cds.
[07:50] <dark_suic> :P
[07:50] <dandielionous> I just want to be kewl like I've read about.
[07:50] <dark_suic> yep :)
[07:50] <dandielionous> click on a radio station and play it.
[07:50] <dandielionous> Drink my tea.
[07:50] <dandielionous> Work on stuff.
[07:50] <dandielionous> kewl you know.
[07:50] <dandielionous> Now I need to figure out how to do that.
[07:50] <dandielionous> lol
[07:51] <dark_suic> well, there will be lots of guides on the internet, but i haven't read any :P
[07:51] <dandielionous> Well I appreciate the input.
[07:51] <eaffe> am I the only one who tries to run a shell script out of X?
[07:51] <dandielionous> I'd rather have an "I don't know" than misdirection.
[07:52] <dandielionous> Do you know if I have to defrag and scan disk with kubuntu?
[07:52] <dark_suic> O__o
[07:52] <dark_suic> you shouldn't :P
[07:52] <z-vet> :)
[07:52] <dandielionous> Do you know what the top end for memory using resources is?
[07:52] <hussam> dandielionous: it will automatically do a disk check every 30 reboots
[07:52] <dandielionous> Or how I check that?
[07:52] <JabberWokky> Mental note: when walking somebody through installing a system with a RAID, never assume they set the RAID up correctly.
[07:53] <dandielionous> What does a disk check do?
[07:53] <z-vet> like checkdisk in windoze
[07:53] <dandielionous> Same thing as scan disk or defrag?
[07:53] <z-vet> check for errors
[07:53] <dandielionous> Okay that's good.
[07:53] <z-vet> emmm
[07:53] <dandielionous> Is there less fragmentation with kubuntu.
[07:53] <hussam> dandielionous: similar to scan disk. it will chek the filesystem for erorrs
[07:53] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: More like scandisk. But it runs automatically when needed (or every 30th boot)
[07:54] <dandielionous> Does it take a long time?
[07:54] <dandielionous> Will I be aware it's doing it?
[07:54] <eaffe> well, thanks anyways .. bye
[07:54] <hussam> dandielionous: a minute or so depending on size of disk
[07:54] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/fragment.html  -- last paragraph.
[07:55] <dandielionous> ty I'm reading the link now.
[07:55] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: When booting, probably, depending on how big your disk is.  It pauses and waits for the check to finish, so it takes longer to boot.
[07:55] <dandielionous> I'm just used to scheduling my defrag and scan disk.
[07:55] <z-vet> does anyone know how do i add Firefox to right-click menu in XChat?
[07:55] <z-vet> some howto or something?
[07:55] <dandielionous> At least it doesn't stop me in the middle of a task.
[07:55] <kakei> hey does any one knows the name of the font of the kubuntu logo
[07:56] <hussam> JabberWokky: it does actually get fragmented. mine is more than 3% fragmented
[07:56] <dandielionous> HEY great last paragraph.
[07:57] <dandielionous> Good News! Very little fragmentation.
[07:57] <JabberWokky> hussam: Yes, but it corrects itself as it runs, so it's somewhat constantly defragging (not technically, but the effect is similar).
[07:57] <dandielionous> God I love linux more and more.
[07:57] <dandielionous> lol
[07:57] <z-vet> hehe
[07:58] <hussam> dandielionous: linux is just smarter.
[07:58] <dandielionous> Especially since I can install programs now thanks to dark_suic .
[07:58] <dandielionous> So glad I changed to kubuntu from Mandrake.
[07:58] <dandielionous> I actually might recommend this version of linux. lol
[07:59] <jorik> konqueror only does the audio preview for ogg files, can i set it up so it does it for mp3s aswell ?
[07:59] <dandielionous> Do any of you know about resources limitation.
[07:59] <hussam> JabberWokky: hmm, I haven't heard of that mechanism before. does it auto defrag itself then?
[07:59] <dandielionous> Like too many things running in the task bar.
[08:00] <z-vet> dandielionous, what do you mean?
[08:00] <dandielionous> Windows has a limitation or did up until xp pro about how many things could be running at once.
[08:00] <dandielionous> <<<<<used win98 forever.
[08:01] <dandielionous> lol
[08:01] <dandielionous> I forget the exact size but it's something like 1500.
[08:01] <dark_suic> dandielionous, i know it's possible, but just don't know how
[08:01] <dandielionous> I don't want to limit it.
[08:01] <z-vet> yes, it shows you a BSOD when there are too many processes
[08:01] <dandielionous> IF it can handle it let it go.
[08:01] <dark_suic> a friend of mine told me that it's possible, but didn't tell me how :P
[08:02] <xwolf-> how do i shut down the pc from the shell
[08:02] <JabberWokky> hussam: No, it's part of how ext2 works (and inodes in general).  Basically, stuff can be moved around on *nix because an app never sees the actual disk itself... only kernel space processes (basically the file system).
[08:02] <hussam> dandielionous: yeah, on windows 9x , system resources were liminted regardless of how much ram you had
[08:02] <xwolf-> (not a terminal)
[08:02] <dark_suic> xwolf-, sudo init 0
[08:02] <dandielionous> That's correct hussam.
[08:02] <dandielionous> Really had to be careful.
[08:03] <hussam> dandielionous: nt kernel in win2k and xp is much better.
[08:03] <dandielionous> I feel like I'm getting around on my computer better now.  I can find my drives and files better now that I switched to kubuntu.
[08:03] <sampan> xwolf-, been awhile but iirc the cli shutdown line was: shutdown -h now
[08:04] <dandielionous> I was using win2003 when I switched.
[08:04] <dandielionous> I had a free copy that had to be reinstalled every 6 months.
[08:04] <dandielionous> That's one of the major reasons I switched.
[08:04] <z-vet> you'll find more later...
[08:04] <dandielionous> It was switch to linux or look at spending thousands of dollars trying to keep up with windows.
[08:04] <z-vet> :)
[08:04] <hussam> an evaluation version
[08:05] <dandielionous> Yeah it worked great.
[08:05] <dandielionous> But the package costs $1,999.
[08:05] <dandielionous> That's not even the office programs included.
[08:05] <dark_suic> well, and now you have really basic concepts, you'll see when you discover how to do more complicated things :)
[08:05] <hussam> dandielionous: well, it IS a server os
[08:06] <dark_suic> :P
[08:06] <dandielionous> Yeah well I guess I didn't really need all that for my home computer.
[08:06] <dandielionous> But I liked having the power to do it if I wanted to.
[08:06] <dandielionous> Which is what I like about linux.
[08:06] <dark_suic> :)
[08:06] <dandielionous> I could run a whole company off linux if I wanted to.
[08:07] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: I am.
[08:07] <dandielionous> A lot of the features of win2003 are built right into kubuntu.
[08:07] <z-vet> lol
[08:07] <dandielionous> I can understand why JabberWokky.
[08:07] <dark_suic> for example?
[08:07] <dandielionous> Like being able to monitor all the other computers on the network.
[08:07] <dandielionous> And seeing what each of them are doing.
[08:08] <dandielionous> And cut them off if I wanted to.
[08:08] <Puaff> hello all, please, are the events of the acpi and laptop-support packages the only way to suspend a laptop? is it possible to suspend it into memory?
[08:08] <kosh> now how about being able to do that securely? :)
[08:08] <JabberWokky> Puaff: Yes, but it depends on what your system supports.
[08:08] <dandielionous> That's where I believe linux and win2003 have in common also is being able to do it securely.
[08:09] <dandielionous> That a user at a lower level can't see what the upper levels are doing.
[08:09] <dandielionous> Not without permission.
[08:09] <JabberWokky> Puaff: For instance, on my laptop I can suspend to memory, but not to disk because of my ATI video card.
[08:09] <hussam> dandielionous: win2003 R2 has Services For Unix integrated
[08:10] <dandielionous> Really!
[08:10] <Puaff> JabberWokky: I have the reverse case
[08:10] <dandielionous> Must be why I see some similarities.
[08:10] <Puaff> JabberWokky: I don't know how to suspend to memory
[08:10] <JabberWokky> Puaff: You *can* do them all... just some of them sometimes don't work (on Windows as well.. it's a hardware issue sometimes).
[08:10] <dandielionous> I don't either Puaff I was wondering what that ment. lol
[08:11] <JabberWokky> Puaff: Go to Control Center > Power Control > Laptop Battery
[08:11] <dandielionous> Is there a control panel on kubuntu?
[08:11] <dandielionous> That looks like windows.
[08:11] <JabberWokky> Puaff: Then in the last tab "Setup Helper Application" button...
[08:12] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: settings://
[08:12] <JabberWokky> In Konqueror
[08:12] <dandielionous> Okay ty.
[08:12] <JabberWokky> Or rather settings:/
[08:12] <dandielionous> Yes I was exploring konqueror I see how it works similar to control panel.
[08:13] <dandielionous> And My Computer.
[08:13] <JabberWokky> Puaff: You can also open Konqueror and go to settings:/PowerControl/ and click "Laptop Battery" to get there.
[08:13] <dark_suic> oh man, let's pray for our god, konqueror!!!
[08:13] <dark_suic> :P
[08:13] <dark_suic> dandielionous, you have a more complete control-panel in k-menu -> system-settings
[08:13] <dark_suic> and an even better executing kcontrol
[08:13] <Puaff> right now I have ubuntu+kde in my desktop computer and ubuntu+gnome in the laptop, I'm thinking to also install kde in the laptop, i'll keep this log and try it
[08:14] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: Hey, I wrote the essay and original paper on extended URLs way back before KDE 1.0.  Quoted RFCs and all... and now you all think it comes from Windows?  Heh.
[08:14] <dandielionous> mmmm me thinks windows steals linux idea.
[08:14] <JabberWokky> I was pushing for printer:// usage.  Actually, I got the idea from Novell.
[08:14] <dandielionous> Where is k-menu.
[08:14] <dandielionous> Oh start.
[08:14] <dandielionous> sorry
[08:15] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: You mean the start button that NeXT invented?
[08:15] <dandielionous> hey yeah I found that system settings menu.
[08:15] <dandielionous> That is like control panel.
[08:15] <dandielionous> hehehe
[08:15] <dandielionous> I feel Powerful. lol
[08:15] <dandielionous> What is NeXT.
[08:16] <dark_suic> next is k-menu -> run command... -> kcontrol
[08:16] <Puaff> is the python package in [k] ubuntu update enought to be used to do make -f Mafile.cvs to compile kdelib?
[08:16] <dark_suic> kcontrol powa!!
[08:16] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic .
[08:16] <_johnflux> my gf is going through my clothes and telling me to burn everything from my ex
[08:16] <_johnflux> what should I do
[08:17] <dandielionous> Reassure her.
[08:17] <dark_suic> well, if you like his clothes, why not keeping them?
[08:17] <dark_suic> :P
[08:17] <Puaff> i'm having troble with this
[08:17] <sampan> johnflux  depends on how much you like your current gf and how expensive the old clothes are ;)
[08:17] <JohnFlux> dark_suic: HAHA!    THAT'S THE FUNNY!
[08:17] <dark_suic> :P
[08:17] <JohnFlux> sampan: it's only a couple of t-shirts and a towel
[08:18] <JabberWokky> Here's the RFC that spawned my essays: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2838.txt   I can't seem to find the original essay series.  Seems the old KDE mailing list archives are offline.
[08:18] <sampan> johnflux  if it were me and i liked her, i'd ditch a couple tshirts and a towel on her request
[08:18] <JabberWokky> Damn shame they closed the IETF working group.  A standardized internet video feed would have been nice.
[08:18] <dandielionous> ty JabberWokky
[08:18] <sampan> but i'm a softie -- so ymmv
[08:19] <dandielionous> Gees you know Kate works great.
[08:19] <dandielionous> So much better than Acrobat tying up and slowing down my system.
[08:20] <dandielionous> That reminds me I was trying to get news feeds.
[08:21] <dandielionous> Something else I have to research.
[08:21] <hussam> dandielionous: there is a acrobat reader for linux. I have it installed for firefox
[08:21] <dandielionous> acrobat is slow.
[08:21] <nlboy> Hello
[08:21] <kosh> I find that kpdf works just as well most of the time but it takes a tiny fraction of the resources
[08:21] <dandielionous> I just have a standard computer I guess.
[08:21] <dandielionous> 750 mhz and 512 ram.
[08:22] <dandielionous> 80 gig hard drive.
[08:22] <nlboy> This is about the first time i'm on linux (livecd) can someone help me installing firefox?
[08:22] <dandielionous> cable connect.
[08:22] <hussam> dandielionous: I have only 384MB ram
[08:22] <dandielionous> I just upgraded my ram.
[08:22] <dark_suic> well, in a livecd you won't probably install firefox :P (afaik)
[08:22] <sampan> kosh, does kpdf handle interactive pdf?  my university uses online interactive pdf forms -- you fill in blanks and submit info via a pdf portal.
[08:22] <dandielionous> I only 128 for a long time.
[08:22] <nlboy> dark_suic, at least get it running
[08:22] <dark_suic> :)
[08:22] <nlboy> i think you know what i mean ;)
[08:23] <kosh> no idea I have never run into an interactive pdf
[08:23] <dark_suic> ubuntu or kubuntu live, nlboy
[08:23] <dandielionous> nlboy did you have trouble with your resolution?
[08:23] <nlboy> kubuntu
[08:23] <nlboy> dandielionous:  nope
[08:23] <dandielionous> Just checking I did.
[08:23] <kosh> I only have 2048M of ram right now
[08:23] <dark_suic> nlboy, you will have konqueror instead of firefox
[08:23] <nlboy> but ive never used linux before so its totally new to me :P
[08:23] <dandielionous> Thought I had to download drivers.  Turned out I only had to change my resolution.
[08:24] <sampan> kosh, *nod*  yeah ... i didn't dare try it either -- when it's 25,000 USD on the line, i wanted to make darn sure it was gonna work ;x
[08:24] <nlboy> yeah but dark_suic isnt there a way to use firefox?
[08:24] <dark_suic> i doubt it in a livecd...
[08:24] <dandielionous> wow that's a lot of ram kosh
[08:24] <hussam> kosh: only 2048MB ram ? :)
[08:24] <dark_suic> (i might be wrong)
[08:24] <nlboy> oh
[08:24] <kosh> yup I plan to upgrade to 8-12G when more money comes in
[08:24] <nlboy> cause i did download it
[08:24] <nlboy> and extracted it
[08:25] <dandielionous> I don't think computers support 8-12G of ram kosh.
[08:25] <nlboy> and now im stuck with some *.sh files a couple of *.so files and a *.bin file thingy
[08:25] <hussam> kosh: kernel.org runs on a server with 24G ram
[08:25] <dandielionous> If you go to 64bit it only supports up to 1 or 2 gig
[08:25] <dandielionous> Shows what I know I guess.
[08:25] <dandielionous> lol
[08:26] <dandielionous> 2048MG = 2gig?
[08:26] <kosh> umm 64bit should support up to 128G at least on most motherboards for opteron chips
[08:26] <kosh> yeah 2048M = 2G
[08:26] <hussam> dandielionous: 2048MB = 2GB
[08:26] <dandielionous> ty mistyped that.
[08:26] <dandielionous> MB not MG
[08:27] <dandielionous> Gee I'd blow some of these gamers out of the water with that kind of memory. lol
[08:27] <nlboy> and what about java, can i run java on a livecd?
[08:27] <nlboy> is it preinstalled?
[08:27] <dandielionous> nlboy on live cd you can't write to it.
[08:28] <nlboy> no but you can write to memory
[08:28] <nlboy> i downloaded some mp3s ;)
[08:28] <dandielionous> Maybe I should shut up after the memory fiasco.
[08:28] <dark_suic> that is, although you play over the ram... you won't be able to do much more than testing the system (both the os and your own pc)
[08:28] <nlboy> and firefox tar.gz
[08:28] <nlboy> hmm
[08:29] <nlboy> but i can download stuff and thing like tha
[08:29] <nlboy> t
[08:29] <kosh> umm you don't need that much memory for gaming
[08:29] <kosh> not even close
[08:29] <nlboy> i wanna try how java runs on linux but i cant without installing if i understand it right?
[08:29] <kosh> you do need it for some types of database work though :)
[08:29] <dandielionous> It would be funny though kosh.
[08:30] <dandielionous> I'm not a real big gamer anyway.
[08:30] <dandielionous> I like Nancy Drew games.
[08:30] <dandielionous> I can't run those on here now with linux.
[08:30] <dandielionous> Or my Sherlock Holmes game.
[08:30] <hussam> dandielionous: who's nancy drew?
[08:30] <dandielionous> But that's okay.  I'll survive.
[08:30] <dandielionous> Nancy Drew girl detective.
[08:30] <dandielionous> It's a game.
[08:31] <dandielionous> Solving mysteries and crimes.
[08:31] <hussam> dandielionous: try running it using wine
[08:31] <dandielionous> What is wine?
[08:31] <nlboy> wine is a windows emulator thingy
[08:31] <dandielionous> Is it a package I install?
[08:32] <dandielionous> Sorry too technical nlboy anything past thing a ma bob and I'm lost.
[08:32] <dandielionous> hehehehe
[08:32] <nlboy> lol
[08:32] <dandielionous> joke
[08:32] <hussam> dandielionous: add this to sources.list : deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[08:32] <nlboy> how can i see if this live cd has java
[08:33] <dandielionous> Great!  Ty hussam .
[08:33] <hussam> dandielionous: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[08:35] <dandielionous> I'm installing wine. :)
[08:35] <dandielionous> I'm so kewl.
[08:35] <dandielionous> hehehe
[08:35] <dandielionous> lol
[08:35] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[08:36] <dandielionous> yes
[08:36] <dandielionous> This is so great.
[08:36] <dark_suic> you had wine in synaptic :P
[08:36] <dandielionous> Installing programs.
[08:36] <dandielionous> I was wondering about that.
[08:36] <dark_suic> wine is not good for running games though
[08:36] <dandielionous> What is it good for?
[08:36] <dark_suic> that's work of cedega, but cedega isn't free....
[08:36] <dandielionous> Can it run the mavis typing disk>
[08:36] <dandielionous> ?
[08:37] <dark_suic> it's for less complex programs...
[08:37] <hussam> dark_suic: the new wine 0.9.5 is good
[08:37] <dark_suic> you can try with wine, but it isn't sure to work...
[08:37] <dark_suic> hussam, haven't tested, probably will update... now :P
[08:38] <dandielionous> I don't know where it went.
[08:38] <hussam> dark_suic: I don't actually use wine but I know somebody who has it working
[08:38] <rance> hi guys, after my second kubuntu install im my experience with the software updater and installer I think Im ready to switch distros
[08:38] <hussam> dandielionous: did you apt-get install wine?
[08:38] <vytautas> hi, i can't instal Prima(perl module),  can anyone read makefile.log ? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/492222
[08:38] <dandielionous> yes
[08:38] <jorik> anyone knows how i can get konqueror to also preview mp3 files? (it only does ogg right now)
[08:39] <dandielionous> I apt-get install wine.
[08:39] <rance> so far Im very pleased with what Ive seen
[08:39] <kkathman> rance: good news, welcome aboard :)
[08:40] <Flixor-> yep welcome rance
[08:40] <hussam> rance: brilliant. what were you using before?
[08:40] <rance> ive used fedora, slackware, and even gentoo
[08:40] <rance> but i was never happy with the update / upgrade process
[08:41] <dandielionous> It didn't install in my kmenu.
[08:41] <dandielionous> I think synoptic does that.
[08:41] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[08:41] <dandielionous> yes
[08:41] <dark_suic> wine won't appear there :P
[08:41] <dandielionous> oh
[08:41] <hussam> rance: one of the good things about kubuntu is that you can easily upgrade from one release to another.
[08:41] <C-O-L-T> do you think fedora core is better than ubuntu
[08:41] <dandielionous> where would it go?
[08:41] <dark_suic> for using wine there you mas also install xwine
[08:41] <dark_suic> the same way
[08:41] <C-O-L-T> I am thinking of switching
[08:41] <dandielionous> Okay.
[08:42] <sas171> ok, mabe here is someone who knows the answer... i have  problems with my pppoe dsl connection, someone who can help me?
[08:42] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: I hated Fedora Core - bloated, and lots of broken packages (rpms)
[08:42] <rance> only had two small troubles with my install on my home machine, X didnt properly detect my monitor settings, which I know how to fix in the xorg.conf file by hand if I have to, and my scanner wasnt properly registered
[08:42] <dark_suic> C-O-L-T, no way :P i think that kubuntu is<PHONE_NUMBER>0 times better :P
[08:42] <rance> but the scanners fixed and all is well with the world
[08:42] <kkathman> sas171: what kinds of problems
[08:42] <Flixor-> dark_suic, could you tell me what xwine is
[08:43] <hussam> C-O-L-T: I've tried fedora core 3 but I never liked rpm based distros and it won't always let you upgrade from release to release.
[08:43] <dandielionous> Says it can't find xwine.
[08:43] <kkathman> hussam - thats very correct
[08:43] <dark_suic> Flixor-, xwine is a gui for wine, it just asks you where is the .exe that you want to run and run it :)
[08:43] <rance> ubuntu/kubuntu havent been around very long but have really come a long way in a short time
[08:43] <dark_suic> O__o
[08:43] <C-O-L-T> hussam: Kubuntu lets you?
[08:43] <dark_suic> hang on a sec, dandielionous
[08:43] <rance> and to do the install on a single cd, great
[08:44] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it should appear O__o
[08:44] <Flixor-> btw is it allso possible to run photoshop cs2 with wine dark_suic
[08:44] <dark_suic> it tells me that is in universe :P
[08:44] <rance> oh and the free open source stuff for windows packed onto the cd was a nice touch for the skeptics, especially the pdf creator
[08:44] <hussam> C-O-L-T: yep, just sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list and change the release from hoary to breezy or breezy to dapper and dist-upgrade to the next release.
[08:44] <dandielionous> Well maybe I should use synoptic to install it.
[08:44] <sas171> kkathman: no internet connection on startup
[08:44] <kkathman> Flixor-: I tried photoshop 7, and while it "ran" it wasnt really workable for me
[08:44] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it doesn't appear in synaptic?
[08:44] <dandielionous> one moment.
[08:44] <Flixor-> ehm
[08:44] <dark_suic> Flixor-, no idea... was a question or just a comment?
[08:45] <Flixor-> what where the problems kkathman
[08:45] <Flixor-> it was a question dark_suic
[08:45] <sas171> kkathman: http://pastebin.com/492217
[08:45] <kkathman> sas171: ok, are you attached to a router, or directly to the modem?
[08:45] <dandielionous> I found xwine in synaptic.
[08:45] <hussam> C-O-L-T: I've upgraded using apt from hoary to breezy.
[08:45] <C-O-L-T> hussam: I see now
[08:46] <dark_suic> dandielionous, when installing packages, always try first in synaptic :)
[08:46] <dark_suic> it's the easiest and better way :P
[08:46] <dandielionous> I hear that dark_suic .
[08:46] <kkathman> Flixor-: I run photoshop in Windows at 1280 x 1024, and like the detail resolution.  Wine couldnt seem to handle the fine movements and details  - very jumpy (cuz its an interpreter)
[08:46] <dandielionous> I should have tried synaptic first for wine also.
[08:46] <dandielionous> Live and learn.
[08:46] <dark_suic> kkathman, we would have to test the new version
[08:47] <dandielionous> Hope I haven't messed it up now.
[08:47] <dark_suic> but i think that photoshop is too complex for wine
[08:47] <kkathman> dark_suic: it would be nice if it were better  :)
[08:48] <Flixor-> oke and with crossover wine is that a better option
[08:48] <chry> hi 2 all
[08:48] <kkathman> but I know Flixor- is a perfectionist with his photography, and I dont think you'd be happy
[08:48] <sas171> kkathman: directly, i have ppp0 running on startup but there is no iternet access, i get internet only after pon dsl-provider and then i have 2 ppps running (like in the ifconfig  i posted)
[08:48] <kkathman> Flixor-: I tried crossover also...still wasnt good
[08:48] <Flixor-> ehm well then we dont run it we shall use the gimp instead for web plublication
[08:49] <Flixor-> ehm need to go home
[08:49] <kkathman> sas yes I saw the two. Looks like you arent authenticating
[08:49] <dandielionous> I don't know why I'm installing wine anyway.
[08:49] <kkathman> Flixor-: careful out there!
[08:49] <Flixor-> be back laters in 30 to 45 minutes
[08:49] <dandielionous> Only reason I want it is for my mavis typing disk and a few things like that.
[08:49] <dandielionous> Nancy drew etc.
[08:49] <kkathman> dandielionous: I dont know either ... usually people install wine for games
[08:49] <dandielionous> lol
[08:50] <dandielionous> Well I'm very busy over here one way or another. lol
[08:50] <dark_suic> kkathman, installing wine for games isn't a good idea, they probably won't work :P
[08:50] <kkathman> dandielionous: I always try to find an equivalent linux package first, in most cases I have been satisfied :)
[08:50] <jahshua--> hey can anyone help me out im trying to get mplayer to play a dvd i downloaded in fullscreen ... i tried ..  mplayer -vo xv .. that didnt work .. i also hit f while it was playing but that just made the window bigger but not the screen ..anyone got any other ideas??
[08:50] <kkathman> dark_suic: yah I know ... just saying thats why alot of people try to install wine :)
[08:50] <dandielionous> ty kkathman.  I really want to stick with linux also.
[08:50] <dark_suic> yep :)
[08:50] <dandielionous> Don't know why I'm installing wine but it may be useful
[08:51] <Set> for losing hair
[08:51] <kkathman> dandielionous: I'll give you a very good reference on wine:  http://frankscorner.org
[08:51] <dark_suic> :P
[08:52] <dandielionous> I'm checking kkathman .
[08:52] <nlboy> hmm im stuck with a jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin on my desktop how can i install it ? <im such a newbie :)>
[08:52] <kkathman> dandielionous: thats a very good site for seeing if things run, and how to get them to run under wine if they can
[08:52] <dandielionous> Okay ty.
[08:52] <kkathman> !javadebs
[08:52] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[08:52] <dandielionous> I can't even find where I installed it right now.
[08:53] <dandielionous> Okay I'm finding it.
[08:53] <nlboy> kkathman, but how can i install it?
[08:53] <deemo> hey everyone, is there any way you can allow krfb to allow invitations through the terminal?
[08:54] <dandielionous> oh synaptic is still installing.
[08:54] <kkathman> nlboy: debs are typically installed using dpkg -i
[08:54] <nlboy> so i type dpkg -i <filename>
[08:54] <nlboy> ?
[08:54] <nlboy> (this is my first time on linux :P)
[08:55] <kkathman> nlboy: yes
[08:55] <nlboy> okay thanks
[08:55] <kkathman> np
[08:56] <deemo> anyone know how to turn on krfb through the terminal?
[08:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: a question. somebody asked from me here in a local chat if he can run KDE software on GNOME i mean for example Krita, Konversation, Kopete?
[08:57] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: if you have both gnome and KDE installed, either programs run in either environment
[08:58] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: but if somebody uses ubuntu can he or she run Kopete ? In kubuntu I can run Gaim
[08:59] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes, you can be in GNOME and run Kopete just like you can be in KDE and run GAIM
[08:59] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: as long as you installed the gnome desktop manager
[08:59] <kkathman> i.e. ubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <heix> hi
[09:00] <heix> how upgrade kde3.4 to 3.5
[09:00] <jpatrick> see topic?
[09:00] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I see, I understand now
[09:01] <heix> is there any apt-get command?
[09:01] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: can I have both KDE and GNOME?
[09:01] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes
[09:02] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I am asking these sorry because I am a new Linux user formerly known hunika :)
[09:02] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  but in a session you can only have one or the other of course
[09:02] <kkathman> yes I know C-O-L-T
[09:02] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I see but how? When I start kubuntu I can choose between gnome and kde?
[09:02] <dark_suic> heix, add the repositories listed there to your /etc/apt/sources.list , and then, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:02] <C-O-L-T> like between windows and kubuntu?
[09:03] <dark_suic> this repositories--->deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[09:05] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: when you reboot you get a splash page to log in....you choose your Desktop Manager there under "Sessions"
[09:06] <C-O-L-T>  kkathman: I see, I understand
[09:06] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: for instance I have Gnome, KDE and XFCE on my system and I can log into any of them
[09:06] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: but with downloading Gnome I download the programs for it?
 tnx
[09:07] <skript> what's the default password for 'su' ?
[09:07] <heix> there is no default pass
[09:07] <visik7> there isn't if you want a root account try sudo -i
[09:07] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: in a manner of speaking yes.
[09:08] <dandielionous> You can set a password for su.
[09:08] <dandielionous> I did.
[09:08] <kkathman> its not a good idea to enable root, in my opinion
[09:08] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: and how long is that? And I can see my KDE programs so the things I installed in GNOME if I have both of them?
[09:08] <skript> so I should just hit Enter when i get prompted for 'password' ?
[09:09] <visik7> skript: no u should provide your user password (with sudo)
[09:09] <visik7> and su doesn't work
[09:09] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: its a bit of time, yes to install the ubuntu-desktop
[09:09] <dark_suic> skript, you should write your own pass
[09:09] <dandielionous> kkathman says it's not a good idea to enable root skript.
[09:09] <dandielionous> But what I did is this.
[09:09] <skript> aaaah... it worked (userpass+ sudo -i) ... thnx !!!
[09:09] <dandielionous> sudo password root
[09:09] <kkathman> dandielionous: I just see no reason to enable it
[09:09] <visik7> me too
[09:09] <kkathman> sudo is a superior model
[09:09] <dandielionous> It can be removed by sudo password -l
[09:10] <visik7> btw the command is passwd
[09:10] <kkathman> and provides much more control and security (no matter what that idiot from eWEEK says)
[09:10] <visik7> kkathman: ahaha you are right :)
[09:10] <dandielionous> lol I hear kkathman.  I was probably wrong to enable it.
[09:10] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: my Linux partition is just 7 gygabites, and I have 4 gb free space. I need to know how long is GNOME? 500 mb?
[09:11] <visik7> C-O-L-T: apt says it
[09:11] <visik7> C-O-L-T: just run apt-get ubuntu-desktop and it will tell you how many Mb will be used
[09:11] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: that I dont know to be honest
[09:11] <dandielionous> passwd might be the command visik7  but password worked.
[09:11] <kkathman> good point visik :)
[09:12] <dandielionous> <<<don't know what I'm doing.
[09:12] <dandielionous> :)
[09:12] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I am asking at #ubuntu
[09:12] <dandielionous> I'm just fumbling through here visik7 .
[09:12] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: thanks anyway
[09:13] <visik7> udo password root
[09:13] <visik7> sudo: password: command not found
[09:13] <dandielionous> Well maybe I copy and pasted the first time and took my notes wrong. :)
[09:13] <dandielionous> Sorry.
[09:13] <JohnFlux> If I say:   /msg ubotu find somefile please     then it gets confused and looks for "somefile please"
[09:14] <JohnFlux> could someone fix it so I can be polite to the bot
[09:14] <JohnFlux> :)
[09:15] <dark_suic> :P
[09:16] <dandielionous> I have no idea what happened to wine.
[09:16] <dandielionous> I installed everything.
[09:17] <flujan> hi, how can I add a cups printer in kde
[09:17] <flujan> the web interface doesn't work
[09:17] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: visik7 gave you your answer....when you type in sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop it will come back and tell your its size :)
[09:17] <flujan> in other distros... Just starting cups is enought to have my cups server detected
[09:17] <kkathman> flujan: go through the printer setup
[09:18] <kkathman> flujan: k-menu, system settings, hardware, printers
[09:18] <flujan> i'm trying to print throught the adobe acrobat
[09:18] <dark_suic> dandielionous, kmenu->run command... -> xwine
[09:18] <flujan> will the lp command work with it?
[09:18] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I got it thanks
[09:18] <dandielionous> Okay ty dark_suic .
[09:19] <flujan> hum... ok, it works... thanks. :)
[09:19] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it should be avaible in the k-menu somewhere... (probably under utilities)
[09:20] <dandielionous> It started.
[09:20] <dandielionous> I don't have an icon for it under utilities or any other applications.
[09:20] <dandielionous> I might have to add it to my kmenu.
[09:21] <dark_suic> don't think so
[09:21] <dark_suic> i think it installs something, hang on a sec
[09:24] <nlboy> Hey kkathman what was that site again?
[09:24] <kkathman> !javadebs
[09:24] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[09:24] <nlboy> ah thanks =)
[09:25] <nlboy> when i want to install kubuntu i have to install on a fat32 right?
[09:26] <jpatrick> nlboy: ext3
[09:26] <dark_suic> i was looking...
[09:26] <nlboy> ok thanks jpatrick
[09:26] <dark_suic> i think that xwine uninstalls wine...
[09:26] <nlboy> kkathman: what was the command again (sorry accidently closed konverstaion)
[09:26] <dandielionous> I found it in etc
[09:27] <kkathman> nlboy:  sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[09:27] <dandielionous> And in /bin or /bin/share
[09:27] <nlboy> thanks
[09:28] <nlboy> nothing happens :S
[09:28] <dandielionous> I'm checking to see if it will run my Mavis Beacon Typing disc.  If xwine will.
[09:29] <dandielionous> I'm not sure if it's name is xutilities.
[09:30] <nlboy> dpkg: error processing sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb (--install):
[09:30] <nlboy>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:30] <nlboy> the file is on my desktop
[09:30] <nlboy> do i have to do filepath/file/ ?
[09:30] <dark_suic> it would be better, nlboy, but are you trying still on the live?
[09:30] <nlboy> yeah :P
[09:31] <nlboy> it says i got 2gb free space :S
[09:31] <dark_suic> :P
[09:31] <dark_suic> well, you can try to use your hard disk for saving data...
[09:31] <nlboy> harddisk is all ntfs
[09:32] <Set> burn it!
[09:32] <nlboy> omg
[09:32] <nlboy> its working lol
[09:32] <dandielionous> It's in usr/bin
[09:32] <Set> Your system is infected by evil fs
[09:32] <nlboy> i did it with file path now
[09:32] <nlboy> lol set
[09:32] <nlboy> im gonna convert most to fat32 tommorow
[09:33] <Set> glad it's working for you though
[09:33] <Set> :)
[09:33] <C-O-L-T> I AM BACK
[09:33] <nlboy> but i dont wanna f*** up my windows partiton
[09:33] <Set> and the crowd goes wild
[09:33] <Set> nlboy, you did install windows on it, right?
[09:33] <Set> I think it's probably too late. Sorry :'(
[09:33] <nlboy> lol
[09:33] <nlboy> my poor harddisk
[09:34] <Set> make sure it's a seagate
[09:34] <nlboy> lol
[09:34] <Set> So, I was thinking of configuring one of my boxes as a server
[09:35] <nlboy> servers own :P
[09:35] <nlboy> run a runescape server on it
[09:35] <Set> running sftp, torrentflux, twonkyvision, FreeRADIUS, mysql and apache
[09:35] <Set> but I donno what distro to pick
[09:36] <nlboy> rofl im on a livecd and its downloading 200mb to update some things
[09:36] <nlboy> 600mb freespace left
[09:36] <Set> updating a livecd?
[09:36] <Set> isn't that kind of... useless?
[09:37] <dark_suic> i'm off (dinner)
[09:37] <dandielionous> Okay I manually added the short cut for xwine to utilities.
[09:37] <Set> unless it's a cd-rw ;D
[09:37] <dandielionous> ty for all your help dark_suic
[09:37] <nlboy> set it is
[09:37] <Set> wow coolness
[09:37] <nlboy> :p
[09:38] <Set> "writing to disc at 24x"
[09:38] <dandielionous> Well I'm out of hee for a while.
[09:38] <dandielionous> here
[09:38] <Set> best of luck, dandielionous
[09:38] <dandielionous> Thanks for all the help peoples.
[09:38] <nlboy> lol set i ment it is useless updating
[09:38] <nlboy> but it isnt an rw
[09:38] <nlboy> :p
[09:38] <dandielionous> I'll be baack.
[09:38] <dandielionous> lol ty Set
[09:38] <nlboy> but it gives me something to do instead of just sitting staring at my windows desktop
[09:39] <Set> nlboy, you could start doing research for me
[09:39] <Set> finding out what distro I should pick
[09:39] <Set> what different servers I should go for
[09:39] <Set> and stuff like that
[09:39] <nlboy> set --> im a total linux noob
[09:39] <nlboy> i wouldnt have a clue
[09:40] <Set> good time to learn it
[09:40] <Set> ^^
[09:40] <nlboy> and personally i like abbyss web server
[09:40] <nlboy> not sure if it is linux compatible
[09:40] <nlboy> ill take a look for you
[09:40] <buz> server for what
[09:40] <Set> sftp and radius, basically
[09:40] <Set> that's what I'm uncertain on
[09:40] <nlboy> what is radius?
[09:40] <nlboy> :D
[09:40] <buz> openbsd
[09:41] <buz> after all, sftp comes from those guys
[09:41] <nlboy> o
[09:41] <nlboy> o
[09:41] <nlboy> hmm my pc is lagging
[09:41] <buz> (technically i think ssh.com was first, but never mind)
[09:41] <Set> Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service
[09:41] <Set> buz, maybe it's time for me to try bsd
[09:42] <buz> bsd is seriously neat for servers
[09:42] <Set> I'm pretty used to using Debian, though
[09:42] <buz> too bad there's too little admin mindshare for it
[09:42] <buz> if linux, i'd use ubuntu server edition ;)
[09:42] <Set> is it good?
[09:42] <saint> anyone knows how to get a servers list for Konversation?
[09:43] <Set> what kind of ftp server
[09:43] <buz> well it's the same
[09:43] <buz> openssh of course
[09:43] <Set> I want a ftp server that lets me do my stuff without too much fuzz and wuzz around it.
[09:43] <Set> Not building a fort :)
[09:45] <Set> brb - getting food
[09:47] <feistel> hi
[09:47] <feistel> where I can find the Kunbuntu's source files?
[09:47] <jpatrick> what for?
[09:48] <feistel> jpatrick: for recompile them
[09:48] <jpatrick> odd
[09:48] <feistel> ??
[09:50] <kkathman> feistel: well, it depends on what you want to recompile
[09:50] <nlboy2> lol back
[09:51] <kkathman> feistel: most of the time you'll have to download the source
[09:51] <nlboy_> wdf
[09:51] <feistel> kkathman: I need build a new distribution based on Kubuntu
[09:51] <nlboy_> why is nlboy still in here
[09:51] <nlboy_> i switched from the live cd to this one
[09:51] <kkathman> feistel: well have at it :)
[09:51] <nlboy_> and its still there
[09:53] <nlboy_> set: http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/download.php thats a good webserver :p
[09:56] <kkathman> feistel: this might be a good starting point:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto?highlight=%28Compiling%29%7C%28the%29%7C%28kernel%29
[09:57] <feistel> kkathman: ubuntu/kubuntu use the Debian's package repository?
[09:57] <jpatrick> feistel: no
[09:57] <kkathman> feistel: no it doesnt
[09:57] <sas171> kkathman: yeah! my internet connection works now... it was the fight.
[09:58] <kkathman> sas171: excellent!!! good job!
[09:58] <sas171> do you think i some firewall for my desktop pc?
[09:58] <sas171> *i need
[09:58] <kkathman> sas171: I doubt it
[09:58] <feistel> jpatrick, kkathman, then where I can find all source files of Kubuntu?
[09:58] <sampan> sas171  unless you are running some sort of server (mail, web, etc.) then most likely no
[09:58] <kkathman> feistel: I gave you a page up above
[09:58] <feistel> kkathman: but is only the kernel
[09:59] <sas171> ok, thx
[09:59] <sampan> sas171  ubuntu has all outside listening services turned off by default -- so your kubuntu will just drop incoming packets that aren't specifically requested by you
[09:59] <nlboy_> whats a good size for a linux swap partition and ext3 partition to install kubuntu on
[09:59] <kkathman> feistel: like I said before, depending on WHAT you are trying to compile, will determine its origin
[09:59] <feistel> kkathman: packages, KDE, KDE applications, etc
[10:00] <jarek> gur
[10:00] <kkathman> feistel: many of those you'll just need to check with their respective pages....ie  KDE.org, kontact, etc
[10:00] <feistel> ok
[10:01] <feistel> kkathman: but, other distributions, have repositories of source code. p.e. package.mdk.rpm ---> package.src.mdk.rpm
[10:01] <nlboy_> whats a good size for a linux swap partition and ext3 partition to install kubuntu on
[10:01] <kkathman> feistel: yes the same is here...you can search for them using apt-cache search
[10:02] <feistel> nlboy_: RAM x 2
[10:03] <sampan> nlboy_  they say yeah what feistel said for swap.  for / i wouldn't go with less than 5-7GB and however much you want (or have?) for /home
[10:04] <nlboy_> ok
[10:04] <nlboy_> thanks
[10:04] <payman> hello
[10:04] <nlboy_> ill think ill do 2gb swap and 8gb /hom then
[10:04] <kkathman> nlboy_: the defaults during install are pretty good actually
[10:05] <Set> nlboy_ mnh nbhg nbnhbn mnjhnm mnh
[10:05] <kkathman> typically you want a swap equal to your memory or a little more
[10:05] <payman> good morning starshine! the earth says HELLLLLO
[10:05] <Set> sorry, cleaning my keyboard
[10:05] <sampan> lol set
[10:05] <Set> nlboy_, what I wanted to say, was, it should be enough with 1 GB swap
[10:06] <sampan> kkathman  what are the defaults for install?  i can't even remember
[10:06] <payman> wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzup
[10:06] <kkathman> sampan: I think the install does a parse and creates them dynamically
[10:06] <Set> I wonder if there are servers out there with 1024mb swap
[10:06] <sampan> ahhh gotcha -- i don't think i ever paid them any attention since i always was doing things experimentally on my own
[10:07] <Set> replace 1024mb with 1024 kb
[10:07] <payman> babayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee rooooooooooooooooooooooooom
[10:08] <sampan> can't tell if payman was trying to insult us ... or just spouting something random
[10:08] <sampan> :/
[10:08] <kkathman> a little of both probably
[10:08] <kkathman> kinda silly
[10:08] <sampan> lol
[10:08] <nlboy_> i got to go
[10:08] <nlboy_> cya
[10:08] <nlboy_> thanks for all the help ppl
[10:08] <Set> don't go livecd dude
[10:08] <sampan> gl nlboy_
[10:08] <nlboy_> set --> i might install it later
[10:08] <Set> come back :)
[10:09] <nlboy_> when i convience my parents they can work with linux
[10:09] <nlboy_> :p
[10:09] <nlboy_> lol you can always add me on msn? ill pm you my msn address?
[10:09] <Set> yep ^^
[10:09] <sas171> i want to configure my xkb options... want ctrl+shift to switch keyboard layout, how can i do that?
[10:09] <nlboy_> see pm --> :p
[10:09] <Set> haven't received pm, notice instead
[10:10] <nlboy_> did u get it now?
[10:10] <Set> nope. use /notice Set blablabla
[10:11] <nlboy_> yea i did
[10:11] <Set> mail it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:11] <Set> or whatev :P
[10:11] <nlboy_> what ever [22:08:39]  -> -Set- real<nospamplx>tha<anothernospamplx>nwi@h<nospam!>otm<toldyouididntwantnospam>ail.com
[10:11] <nlboy_> there
[10:11] <nlboy_> just remove everye <nospam> thingy
[10:12] <Set> omg lol
[10:12] <nlboy_> and youll find realthanwi@hot--> etc
[10:12] <nlboy_> cya
[10:26] <nanda> is there a good howto for enabline wireless internet with kubuntu?
[10:26] <Set> nanda, get a wlan cable...
[10:27] <nanda> I am using a laptop, it has wireless in it, I was using it fine with ubuntu and now I have installed kubuntu and want to use it also
[10:27] <Set> go to system settings
[10:27] <Set> and enable it
[10:27] <langplok> kikooo all
[10:28] <Set> kikoooo
[10:28] <Set> we have missed you, Sir
[10:29] <nanda> Set: it is not letting me
[10:29] <nanda> because I need to instlal the drivers, all I want to know is how to do that
[10:29] <nanda> saracasm is less than helpful
[10:29] <Set> no sarcasm here.
[10:29] <Set> what card do you have?
[10:30] <nanda> I'm not sure, its built into the machine
[10:30] <nanda> I have the drivers though
[10:30] <Set> what are the drivers called?
[10:31] <nanda> I did it before with ubuntu, but I can't remember how..
[10:31] <nanda> Set: just a sec, I'll look
[10:31] <poldo> hi all i have big time trouble with the installation of Kubuntu on my box, the problem is that it stops during the system base install at 6% (dpkg) anyone with an idea ? BTW it was happening with SuSE too.
[10:32] <sas171> how to configure XKB under (k)ubuntu
[10:32] <nanda> Set: bcmwl5a.inf  & bcmwl5a.sys
[10:32] <sas171> ?
[10:32] <poldo> BTE if i i wait for it it returns an error and stops installing
[10:32] <poldo> *BTW
[10:32] <Set> ndiswrapper? I don't know how that works in kubuntu. sorry that I'm unable to help you
[10:32] <kkathman> poldo do you get any kind of error message?
[10:33] <sas171> poldo: try to use another copy
[10:33] <poldo> kkathman, yes i do , something about a dir but i stupidly did not write bit down
[10:33] <nanda> yeah I used ndiswrapper in ubuntu, I'll look into it
[10:33] <nanda> thanks
[10:33] <poldo> sas171, i just downloaded it frrom the mirrors
[10:33] <kkathman> poldo were you installing Kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[10:33] <poldo> kkathman, Kubuntu
[10:34] <sas171> poldo: CD installation?
[10:34] <poldo> sas171, sure thing
[10:34] <sas171> poldo: try to use another CD
[10:34] <poldo> sas171, wel cd that gather things from the repos , you know ... usual install
[10:34] <sas171> I tryed 3 before i was able to install
[10:35] <poldo> sas171, if i don't find any other solution i'll try , it might be that the iso is damaged
[10:35] <poldo> kkathman, any clue?
[10:37] <kkathman> poldo I this sas171 has a good idea
[10:38] <kkathman> poldo but are you installing on a new system, with a new disk?
[10:38] <poldo> kkathman, i'm, installing on an 4 yrs old amd athlon xp 1600 with double boot (win xp + kubutnu )
[10:38] <kkathman> ahhh
[10:39] <poldo> kkathman, but suse 9.3 was runnning just fine
[10:39] <poldo> kkathman, what's ahh about?
[10:39] <kkathman> ahhh well I dunno poldo.I have installed ubuntu on 3 different boxes, different ages of those boxes and different hardware and neve had a glitch
[10:40] <poldo> kkathman, well that's kinda conforting :P
[10:42] <poldo> kkathman, what if i give you the erros.. would you be able to help me?
[10:42] <kkathman> poldo possibly
[10:43] <poldo> well i'll be back later
[10:43] <poldo> thx 4 now
[10:43] <kkathman> we'd try at aleast
[10:43] <poldo> =)
[10:43] <poldo> bbl
[10:45] <ClayG> I'm cutting my own Cat5e cable, it's a bitch to get them the "connectors" , anyone know a good guide to show an easier/right way?
[10:57] <dandielionous> Does anyone know how to add categories to kmenu like games.  I would like to add games there.
[10:57] <dandielionous> In kubuntu.
[10:57] <dandielionous> Sorry forgot the question mark.
[10:57] <dandielionous> ?
[10:58] <Set> I don't remember
[10:58] <Set> menu editor?
[10:58] <dandielionous> I've checked the menu editor.
[10:58] <dandielionous> I can add items.
[10:58] <dandielionous> And I can add files there.
[10:58] <dandielionous> New ones I think of.
[10:58] <dandielionous> But ones that are already show in the menu editor I can't add to my kmenu.
[10:59] <dandielionous> Like Debian or documentation or games.
[10:59] <dandielionous> I've tried to google this and looked at the help file.
[10:59] <dandielionous> Thank-you for answering me Set.
[11:00] <Set> it's probably something like the files are hidden
[11:00] <Set> I used to have those problems in Xandros
[11:00] <Set> my sollution was to just make a 'new' menu by dragging a folder with shortcuts to my 'quick launch' area
[11:00] <dandielionous> mmmm I would think it would be something easy like just moving it form one side to the other.
[11:00] <dandielionous> But it doesn't seem to be anyplace to do that.
[11:01] <Set> make a folder in your home folder
[11:01] <Set> call it "games shortcuts", or something. make shortcuts to anything you'd like. then drag the folder to the area where konqueror icon and such resides
[11:01] <dandielionous> I can think of work arounds.
[11:01] <dandielionous> Are you in kubuntu?
[11:02] <Set> I'm in Windows right now. still trying to get wpa working in kubuntu
[11:02] <dandielionous> What is wpa?
[11:02] <Set> a wireless encryption standard
[11:02] <dandielionous> Oh I see.
[11:03] <dandielionous> I had wireless on here.
[11:03] <dandielionous> Linksys.
[11:03] <dandielionous> And it didn't work with Mandrake.
[11:03] <nalioth> Set: what card are you using in kubuntu ?
[11:03] <dandielionous> So I switched to Netgear ethernet card.
[11:03] <Set> I refuse to use anything less than WPA-PSK for my wireless network security measures
[11:03] <dandielionous> Works great.
[11:03] <Set> nalioth, ipw2200
[11:04] <Set> dandielionous, I have no problems getting my ethernet cards working in kubuntu. But I will not change my connection habits for any distro :)
[11:04] <nalioth> Set: try using mac address filtering. wpa is a hit-n-miss proposition on some cards atm
[11:04] <dandielionous> I was just asking so you could look at what I was talking about.
[11:05] <Set> nalioth, nalioth, I get wpa-psk working in Xandros. Guess they did something to wpasupplicant :)
[11:05] <dandielionous> I didn't want to get into a whole discussion about that.
[11:05] <Set> dandielionous, sorry if I offended you
[11:05] <dandielionous> No, no I'm sorry if I offended you. :)
[11:05] <Set> I do tech support for networking devices, so I'm kind of tense when it comes to that subject
[11:05] <dandielionous> I don't mind talking about it but don't want to offend.
[11:05] <Set> I'm hard to offend
[11:06] <dandielionous> :)
[11:06] <dandielionous> Anyway for me, I already had the ethernet card in my computer so it was no problem to switch back to cable.
[11:06] <Set> It's a principle thing that I won't be using anything but WPA-PSK or WPA, once I get my radius server up and running.
[11:06] <dandielionous> Besides the wireless wasn't working that well anyway.
[11:06] <Set> I can't use ethernet, because of distance
[11:06] <dandielionous> Too slow.
[11:07] <dandielionous> I'm just thrilled with kubuntu and will never go back to windows.
[11:07] <nalioth> Set: perhaps you could grab the source from them?
[11:07] <dandielionous> But each to their own.
[11:07] <Set> nalioth, I was thinking about that, but I'm not sure how to step forward about that
[11:08] <Set> dandielionous, Xandros 4.0 is what I'm waiting for. Kubuntu caught my attention because of KDE 3.5 with webcam support in Kopete
[11:08] <nalioth> Set: compiling stuff isn't a problem, usually. it's what you do with it afterwards
[11:09] <dark_suic> i'm back
[11:09] <dandielionous> Somebody else was telling me about Xandros.
[11:09] <dandielionous> Yeah dark_suic .
[11:09] <dandielionous> dark_suic:  do you know how to add items to my kmenu.
[11:09] <dark_suic> yep
[11:09] <dark_suic> it's easy :P
[11:10] <dandielionous> The ones that are in menu edit.
[11:10] <dandielionous> Already there.
[11:10] <jessica__> hello-i installed kubuntu yesterday so now i have ubuntu and kubuntu running-my sound is not working on kubuntu can somebody please help me?
[11:10] <dandielionous> games and toys and stuff.
[11:10] <dandielionous> documentation, debain
[11:10] <dark_suic> right click on the item -> edit item
[11:10] <dandielionous> Okay.
[11:10] <kkathman> jessica__:  what are you using to try out the sound?
[11:11] <dandielionous> That's not working in KDE menu editor.
[11:11] <jessica__> i have it as autodetect right now
[11:11] <dandielionous> It shows me all the things that should be there but aren't in my kmenu.
[11:11] <kkathman> jessica__: I mean, how do you know you have no sound
[11:11] <jessica__> on my system tray the volume icon have an x to it and when i click on it to select a mixer theres nothing on the box for me to select
[11:11] <jessica__> ohh
[11:11] <dark_suic> O__o
[11:11] <jessica__> i recieve a arts message at startup
[11:11] <Set> debian or ubuntu as a server distro?
[11:12] <dark_suic> the one you best know, Set
[11:12] <jessica__> and it says going to default output i think
[11:12] <kkathman> jessica__:  and what message does it report?
[11:12] <Set> dark_suic, see, that's the problem. I've used Xandros, Debian and (K)ubuntu for a while, and I find all of them mainly the same... So I'm lost
[11:13] <jessica__> hold on let me see if i can bring tha tscreen bacl up
[11:13] <jessica__> for example right now i inserted a audio cd-and when i try to access it it says (could not read /dev/hdc
[11:13] <dark_suic> kkathman, without having used xandros, i would prefer debian for servers-side
[11:14] <kkathman> jessica__: well thats definitely a different issue than "sound"
[11:14] <jessica__> but im worried more about the sound-i hardly play music cds-brb
[11:15] <dark_suic> wops... i mean set :P
[11:15] <Set> dark_suic, I guess you're right :) debian rocks
[11:17] <dark_suic> debian is more easily configurable, i haven't seen kubuntu/ubuntu-s server install
[11:17] <dark_suic> but i guess that debian would be better
[11:18] <jessica__> kkathman, this is the message i recieve....error while initializing the sound driver: device: default cant be opened for playback (permission denied) the sound server will continue, using the null output device
[11:19] <kkathman> jessica__: can you get to a konsole and do an lsmos
[11:19] <kkathman> oops
[11:19] <kkathman> lsmod I mean
[11:19] <jessica__> yes i can go to terminal
[11:20] <jessica__> what do i look for? i did the lsmod command and what it appears like a list of what i have appeared
[11:21] <kkathman> jessica__: lets do something different I think.
[11:21] <kkathman> robotgeek: hey there maybe you can help us :)
[11:21] <jessica__> o.k im all yours
[11:21] <robotgeek> what's the matter :)
[11:22] <kkathman> robotgeek: shes having trouble with sound...
[11:22] <kkathman> kkathman, this is the message i recieve....error while initializing the sound driver: device: default cant be opened for playback (permission denied) the sound server will continue, using the null output device
[11:22] <kkathman> actually she received it :)
[11:22] <robotgeek> hmm, okay.
[11:23] <kkathman> I was going to have her open up /etc/devfsd.conf
[11:23] <jessica__> i was not aware you where talking to me robotgeek im sorry
[11:23] <robotgeek> jessica__: please open up a console and paste the lsmod output to the pastebin
[11:23] <robotgeek> jessica__: no problem
[11:23] <kkathman> robotgeek:  the /etc/devfsd.conf  should have some basic things in it too I reckon
[11:24] <kkathman> she has no access to her CD it appears also :)
[11:24] <robotgeek> kkathman: i don't have a /etc/devfsd.conf
[11:24] <kkathman> ohh ok
[11:24] <kkathman> hmm
[11:24] <jessica__> kkathman, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6673
[11:24] <jessica__> there you go the pastebin information
[11:25] <jessica__> wow is not reading my internal media card reader
[11:25] <robotgeek> jessica__: okay, the sound modules are loaded. so the problem might be elsewhere
[11:26] <jessica__> o.k so where do i go to look
[11:27] <robotgeek> jessica__: hmm, 'sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart'
[11:29] <jessica__> o.k i did the command entered my password and the nothing happened back jessica@ubuntu:~$
[11:29] <jessica__> when i go to kmix under current mixer theres nothing for me to select
[11:30] <robotgeek> jessica__: it must have said restarting or something
[11:30] <jessica__> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[11:30] <jessica__> thats the command right?
[11:30] <robotgeek> jessica__: yes
[11:31] <jessica__> o.k i just did it again and nothing happened
[11:31] <robotgeek> jessica__: hmm, okay
[11:32] <robotgeek> kkathman: where's the sound configure in kde?
[11:32] <kkathman> robotgeek: k-menu, sysstem settings - personal sound & multimedia
[11:33] <jessica__> i went to system settings>sound..selected the diffrent mixers and nothing
[11:33] <robotgeek> jessica__: there should be a test sound server or something similiar
[11:33] <kkathman> she might need to load xine instead of the default gstreamer...but dont know if that makes any diff at this stage
[11:34] <kkathman> be sure to "enable" the sound system :)
[11:34] <kkathman> and set the auto detect
[11:34] <jessica__> i did a test and the same message i recieve during startup
[11:35] <robotgeek> jessica__: hmm, i'm no sound guru. and i'm not on my kubuntu machine, i am out of ideas. sorry
[11:35] <kkathman> jessica__:  just curious, is your sound card on your mobo or a separate pci card?
[11:36] <jessica__> is a laptop-sounds works fine under ubuntu not under kubuntu so i know is probably something wrong with my kubuntu installation
[11:36] <jessica__> when i log off kubuntu and go to ubuntu-sound works perfectly
[11:36] <rosco> someone has feedback about dapper for ppc ? does the touchpad react better ?
[11:36] <rosco> for a powerbook, I mean
[11:37] <robotgeek> rosco: hmm, i have an ibook and it works fine
[11:37] <kkathman> jessica__:  just curious, is your sound card on your mobo or a separate pci card?
[11:37] <Set> it's a permission problem
[11:37] <rosco> robotgeek: even the wifi ?
[11:37] <robotgeek> rosco: yes, even the wifi will work better
[11:37] <jessica__> on the error message it says (permission denied)
[11:38] <robotgeek> rosco: it works, but not very stable right now
[11:38] <jessica__> how can i get permission for it to load?
[11:38] <Set> does your user have access to audio?
[11:38] <rosco> robotgeek: thanks
[11:38] <jessica__> it says ..device:default cant be opened for playback (permission denied) now that i think about it when i logged in under root it was wroking fine-but when i log in under my name it doesnt work so thats where the problem is
[11:38] <jessica__> but how do i enable access"?
[11:40] <robotgeek> jessica__: "sudo adduser yourusername audio" , i suppose
[11:41] <jessica__> evertyime i do a sudo nothing happens i give up-appreciate the help i recieved
[11:42] <kkathman> jessica__: try #ubuntu
[11:42] <jessica__> yeah they told me to come here
[11:42] <kkathman> lol
[11:42] <nalioth> jessica__: "nothing happening" in the terminal means the command was accepted and run successfully
[11:42] <robotgeek> nalioth: though alsa generally gives some message
[11:43] <jessica__> nalioth, the system tray icon have an x to it in red and when i mouse over it it says mixer cannot be found.i double click it i cant select nothing in the drop down mixer theres nothing to select
[12:02] <sorush20> hi everyone ..
[12:03] <sorush20> How do I add a command to be run automatically on start up ? like sudo mbmon -ArP 2343