[20:13] <new_student> Anyway, I installed linux-image-extra-3.13.0-27-generic and now I have the file and the wireless interface has come up
[20:13] <new_student> next time I'll just go with what minimec said
[20:14] <peace> trying to install libpng but the error --> peace@peace:~/gsoc/libpng-1.6.21$ ./configure [--prefix=/path]
[20:14] <peace> configure: error: invalid variable name: `[--prefix'
[20:14] <Jordan_U> new_student: You should install linux-image-generic now either way, -27 is still fairly old, and you should keep to the lastest kernel image with the latest security updates.
[20:16] <elisa87_>  how should I resolve a connection refused error?
[20:16] <elisa87_> in the browser
[20:16] <elisa87_> ERR_Connection_Refused
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> elisa87_  what site?
[20:17] <llutz> elisa87_: check if the server you want to reach is listening at all
[20:17] <elisa87_> it is a local website @MonkeyDust
[20:17] <elisa87_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36164068/openhab-in-raspbian-could-not-connect-connection-refused @MonkeyDust @llutz
[20:18] <Emperor_Earth_> Hey Jordan_U. Will you have some time today? We seem to miss each other everytime, and my IRC client doesn't have the longest logs
[20:18] <llutz> elisa87_: sudo lsof -i :8082     (if that port is  used)
[20:20] <elisa87_> @llutz did you see the stackoverflow post? I already have done so!
[20:20] <elisa87_> @llutz basically doing that does show nothing
[20:21] <elisa87_> no one is listening on it
[20:21] <llutz> elisa87_: then check why it is not started/listening. check logs
[20:21] <elisa87_> I am not sure how to do so! @llutz
[20:22] <TJ-> new_student: OK, it seems rtl8723be was added in after 0-24 via bug 1240940
[20:23] <bobby23> Monkeydust: OKAY OKAY, i just installed updates through chroot and i got this message during the updates: pastebin.com/iEfWZdJs
[20:23] <bobby23> monkeydust, nacc: what shall i do
[20:24] <ascii_> how i remove this app[unofficial whatsapp] i installed it from github by UnofficialWhatsApp_linux64.deb package screenshot of app  http://picpaste.com/whatsapp-XRS2FHvl.png
[20:24] <llutz> elisa87_: you may ask in #openhab ,
[20:25] <theseb> I set up a box to autologin a nonroot user.....how make a program
[20:25] <theseb>          automatically run for that user at boot up?...rc.local won't work
[20:25] <theseb>          since isn't user specific and $HOME/.zlogin won't work since I'm not
[20:25] <theseb>          logging in!?!?! help! dunno what 2 dew!
[20:26] <TJ-> theseb: call it from the user's shell config file, e.g. .bashrc
[20:28] <theseb> TJ-: i'll try...sec
[20:28] <ascii_> help!!how i remove this app[unofficial whatsapp] i installed it from github by UnofficialWhatsApp_linux64.deb package screenshot of app  http://picpaste.com/whatsapp-XRS2FHvl.png. it dont present in software center
[20:29] <cajuntechie> Hey folks, I'm trying to clear some room on /boot to install updates but when I list the installed kernels I see ii (which I know means installed) and pi next to some. The ones that have pi next to them, I get an error on removing. Is there a way to fix this?
[20:29] <ubuntu-mate_> buceta
[20:30] <pa> anyone here who has or has had a Skystar S2 card?
[20:30] <minimec> ascii_: 'sudo apt-get purge UnofficialWhatsApp_linux64.deb'in a terminal?
[20:31] <llutz> pa i sold mine a few weeks ago, no success at all (14.04, debian 8, debian sid)
[20:31] <ascii_> minimec: E: Unable to locate package UnofficialWhatsApp_linux64.deb E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'UnofficialWhatsApp_linux64.deb'
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  my advice: backup personal files and reinstall ubuntu
[20:31] <Jordan_U> cajuntechie: Please pastebin the exact command you're running and its complete output.
[20:32] <bobby23> monkeydust: jesus, i might move back to the window's botnet lmao!!
[20:32] <cajuntechie> Sure thing Jordan_U. One sec
[20:32] <ksft> I'm trying to install a graphics card driver, but it says this: "You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing."
[20:32] <ksft> how do I do that?
[20:32] <llutz> ascii_: sudo dpkg -P UnofficialWhatsApp
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  how so? it's a ruined system that needs to be repaired, no need t
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  how so? it's a ruined system that needs to be repaired, no need to change os because of that
[20:33] <bobby23> monkeydust: yes but if the ppas are causing it then i wont be able to use the software i need right?
[20:33] <ascii_> llutz: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove unofficialwhatsapp which isn't installed
[20:33] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  yes, that's why ppas should be avoided, now you know why
[20:33] <llutz> ascii_: dpkg -l|grep -i whatsapp
[20:33] <ascii_> but it still in app
[20:33] <bobby23> monkeydust: but i cant do without sublime text lol
[20:34] <MonkeyDust> !info sublime
[20:34] <ascii_> llutz: torrent@torrent-desktop:~$ dpkg -l|grep -i whatsapp ii  whatsappfordesktop                                    1.1.0                                               amd64        A simple and beautiful app for Facebook WhatsApp. Chat without distractions on any OS. Not an official client.
[20:34] <cajuntechie> Jordan_U: Here is the paste. I've never done this before and am a bit lost. http://pastebin.com/9Zs4mtdw
[20:35] <llutz> ascii_: sudo dpkg -P whatsappfordesktop
[20:35] <Exagone313> Hi, I installed a desktop environment (kubuntu-desktop without recommends) starting from minimal cd installation (on a VM under VirtualBox). I installed plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo (and so plymouth), but it is not displayed after boot neither during shutdown. Why? How to show it? Thanks for your help.
[20:35] <EriC^^> !plymouth | Exagone313
[20:36] <Exagone313> I know what it is thanks....
[20:36] <Exagone313> It does not answer my question
[20:36] <EriC^^> Exagone313: read the last 2 commands
[20:36] <ascii_> llutz: buddy you rock!! now it removed :D
[20:36] <ascii_> thanky
[20:36] <Jordan_U> cajuntechie: Use "sudo apt-get purge" instead of dpkg purge.
[20:36] <ascii_> ou
[20:36] <Exagone313> it did the thing during installation, but ok I'm conna do the update init
[20:36] <Exagone313> gonna*
[20:37] <EriC^^> Exagone313: run both, the first sets it
[20:38] <Exagone313> one alternative is what I installed, now it update initramfs
[20:38] <cajuntechie> Jordan_U: I tried that and it failed too. I get this: http://pastebin.com/rzDtaM1T
[20:39] <cajuntechie> Jordan_U: And when I do an apt-get -f install that says dependencies have been corrected but then I get the dpkg error for spave
[20:40] <Exagone313> still not shown, it displays some debug service info, then a second a tty
[20:40] <Exagone313> but cmdline is BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.2.0-34-generic root=UUID=... ro splash quiet
[20:40] <Exagone313> splash does not work?
[20:40] <twitchytoes> So I tried to install fglrx with amdgpu-pro installed, now I can't manage to remove amdgpu-pro because it complains about fglrx being broken
[20:41] <pam> is there any way to run an adobe air program that can't be run because air isn't up to date?
[20:41] <Exagone313> pam: maybe wine
[20:41] <Exagone313> it doe snot always work
[20:41] <brainwave> Exagone313: can you describe your issue again if you dont mind? I just joined, dont have an idea
[20:41] <Exagone313> yeah
[20:42] <Exagone313> I try to make plymouth shjowing during boot
[20:42] <brainwave> Exagone313: what do you see currently? And is your system booting
[20:42] <cajuntechie> Jordan_U: Never mind, looks like it's working. Thank you!!!
[20:43] <Exagone313> it shown some service verbose, then a second a tty login, then lightdm
[20:43] <Exagone313> s/shown/shows/
[20:43] <brainwave> Exagone313: I believe it should be quiet splash, instead of splash quiet
[20:43] <Exagone313> this is the default
[20:43] <Exagone313> I didn't edit that
[20:43] <brainwave> Exagone313: I see
[20:43] <Exagone313> so I assume default is right?
[20:44] <brainwave> Exagone313: I'd still swap it and do a grub update nonetheless to check once
[20:44] <Exagone313> ok I see quiet splash on internet, could try
[20:44] <brainwave> Exagone313: but most likely, its not the issue
[20:45] <theseb> TJ-: didn't work :(
[20:47] <Exagone313> still the same
[20:47] <Exagone313> ^^
[20:48] <brainwave> Exagone313: Did you do an update grub
[20:48] <Exagone313> SURE
[20:48] <Exagone313> sorry for caps
[20:49] <bobby23> monkeydust: alright, how do i display all ppas, ive installed ppa-purge
[20:49] <law> hey all, does 14.04 server support setting up LVM via kickstart ?
[20:51] <brainwave> Exagone313: Just out of curiosity, do you have plymouth installed on your system?
[20:52] <gzoo> My wifi is slow[er than windows]. Ubuntu 15.10. Intel Centrino 1050 wifi adapter. 11n_disable=1 did not work (took from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2042332&highlight=11n_disable)
[20:52] <gzoo> Not sure what else I can try
[20:52] <Exagone313> brainwave: yes absolutely. avoid the stupid questions, should be fine
[20:52] <brainwave> bobby23: apt-cache policy
[20:52] <Exagone313> I try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/362722/how-to-fix-plymouth-splash-screen-in-all-ubuntu-releases
[20:53] <zave> i installed ubu 1404 without eth0, can it be put back in?
[20:54] <Exagone313> the first solution on the thread worked
[20:55] <Exagone313> thanks anyway ^^
[20:55] <bobby23> brainwave: that doesnt seem right
[20:55] <brainwave> bobby23: apt-cache policy | grep http | awk '{print $2 $3}' | sort -u
[20:56] <pippo_> ciao
[20:56] <brainwave> bobby23: does that seem better? Sorry I don't have apt right now to check myself, but apt-cache policy should give you policy info associated with every repo. Using that, and some tinkering, you can grab only ppa
[20:56] <brainwave> bobby23: otherwise, if you do a google search, there are scripts peoeple have shared to get all ppa information. Maybe look into that?
[20:58] <bobby23> brainwave: my fault, it displays a list of things such as main, restricted, universe
[21:01] <tanuki> Having some trouble with sshd on ubuntu server trusty: https://gist.github.com/benjamingeiger/923beaacd2d5312e9636
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  grep ppa /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:01] <tanuki> It gives one key on a first connection, then another on a second connection. If I clear the first key from known_hosts, it gives the first key again
[21:07] <peace> having trouble with libpng.How do i install libpng?
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> !find libpng
[21:08] <bobby23> monkeydust: if ppas are dangerous then why can they be opened via the software centre
[21:08] <bobby23> monkeydust: or can they
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  because they are software sources, but it's hard to tell which are malicious ... use ppas at your own risk
[21:10] <peace> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15475088/ --> need to resolve this error
[21:10] <peace> involves libpng i guess
[21:10] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  other ppas are perfectly usable
[21:10] <bobby23> MonkeyDust: so if i type in search on the software centre and get a result, those are official repositories right
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  basically, the repos are screened, ppas are not
[21:12] <bobby23> MonkeyDust: so is this a ppa - http://www.sublimetext.com/3
[21:12] <bobby23> MonkeyDUst: i wouldnt mind learning to use vim but jesus thats gonna be annoying
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  like, android is also linux, but it's not screened, hence so much malicious android software
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> i exaggerate, but that's the idea
[21:14] <bobby23> monkeydust: so how do i know which ppa is causing it
[21:14] <bobby23> monkeydust: im gonna go into live usb and purge it al
[21:14] <bobby23> monkeydust: ill report back
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  you do that, it's sad you had go through this
[21:17] <bobby23> monkeydust: ive gone through it 6 times lmao!
[21:18] <math654> hello people
[21:18] <bobby23> monkeydust: ok, the list command line did nothing
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> bobby23  i'm out of ideas now
[21:18] <math654> any good distros beside ubuntu i should try now?
[21:20] <nolsen> math654: Fedora
[21:20] <ksft> I'm trying to install drivers for my graphics card, but I don't think I'm doing it right
[21:20] <k1l_> !flavors | math654
[21:20] <k1l_> math654: for non ubuntu questions ask in ##linux :)
[21:20] <brainwave> bobby23: there are many alternative text editors to vim. Sublime text is fine to install though.
[21:20] <brainwave> bobby23: you dont have ppa's installed then
[21:21] <math654> ok thanks
[21:21] <math654> how is fedora different from ubuntu?
[21:21] <bobby23> but i do
[21:21] <ksft> I'm installing NVIDIA's drivers on Ubuntu 14.04
[21:21] <ksft> it says this: "The distribution-provided pre-install script failed!"
[21:21] <bobby23> brainwave: spotify is a ppa
[21:22] <ksft> can anyone help?
[21:22] <math654> will 16.04 be more stable than 14.04?
[21:22] <Cosmin> Care esti ba,roman pe aici?
[21:22] <k1l_> math654: what means: not stable?
[21:22] <bobby23> it better be!!
[21:22] <k1l_> math654: ubuntu only releases stable versions. do you have specific issues?
[21:23] <math654> i had ubuntu mate 14.04 installed as desktop os, it constantly had bugs, crushes
[21:23] <Jordan_U> math654: There are so many differnences that it's hard to know where to start. Also, that sort of question is not really on topic for this Ubuntu support related channel. Maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux, or try asking a less open ended question.
[21:23] <k1l_> math654: well. others dont have that bugs. so it can be spcific to hardware or usage.
[21:24] <bobby23> monkeydust, brainwave: sources.list.d contain spotify and google chrome
[21:24] <math654> the panel, themes etc. and eventually upgrade killed it all
[21:24] <bobby23> monkeydust, brainwave: are these ppas and if so, how do i remove
[21:24] <k1l_> bobby23: those are PPAs or other 3rd party repos.
[21:25] <ksft> can anyone help me?
[21:25] <math654> k1l_: i think the theme thing is common
[21:25] <bobby23> k1l_: how do i remove them through pp=purge
[21:25] <k1l_> math654: you can try 15.10 mate if you like
[21:25] <on2pk> Hey guys.  I'm trying to install a wifi adapter.  Ask ubuntu suggest using this repo: https://github.com/porjo/mt7601, which is now deprecated.  How do I install the official 4.2 kernel driver on a 4.1 system?
[21:25] <math654> k1l_: i tried to upgrade 14.04 to 15.10 and it stopped booting completely
[21:26] <k1l_> bobby23: please show a "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*"
[21:26] <k1l_> bobby23: in a pastebin
[21:26] <k1l_> math654: you need to update to 14.10 first, then to 15.04 then ti 15.10. which is not easy since 14.10 and 15.04 are dead already
[21:26] <math654> now i am on unity
[21:26] <ksft> I'm installing NVIDIA's drivers for my graphics card on Ubuntu 14.04, but it says this:
[21:26] <ksft> "The distribution-provided pre-install script failed!"
[21:27] <bobby23> k1l_: "no such file or directory
[21:27] <brainwave> ksft: reposting this soon wont help mate, if someone knew they would help you
[21:27] <k1l_> ksft: how are you installing it? can you show the whole output in a pastebin?
[21:27] <ksft> k1l_: that's the output
[21:27] <math654> so should i try fedora?
[21:27] <brainwave> bobby23: are you removing ppas cause you think they are a big security risk? If so, I must say ppa are not always risky, and community has some really good ppas. Do use the ones you need, its just at your own risk.
[21:27] <ksft> I'm running the .run file from a terminal
[21:28] <k1l_> math654: this is #ubuntu. we cant help you with fedora :)
[21:28] <ksft> after `service lightdm stop`, because it doesn't work if X is running
[21:28] <bobby23> brainwave: no, im failing on bootup, i keep getting taken to the initramfs busybox screen and it claims my uuid does not exist
[21:28] <k1l_> ksft: what kernel version is given with "uname -a"?
[21:28] <math654> k1l_: i am already using ubuntu
[21:29] <bobby23> brainwave: i have tried everything from the grub cli, to e2fsck, to checking /etc/fstab
[21:29] <math654> k1l_: sometimes it behaves weirdly
[21:29] <k1l_> math654: we can help you fix issues on ubuntu in here. we cant support fedora in here
[21:29] <ksft> k1l_: is "3.19.0-51-generic" a kernel version?
[21:29] <ksft> if so, that
[21:29] <genii> Yep
[21:29] <k1l_> ksft: ok. what video card you got there?
[21:29] <ksft> k1l_: GTX 960M
[21:30] <dro> Hi there
[21:30] <Ben64> 3.19 isn't supported anymore i'm fairly sure
[21:30] <ksft> ...it isn't?
[21:30] <k1l_> Ben64: it is untill 16.04 release
[21:30] <Ben64> really?
[21:30] <ksft> oh
[21:30] <Ben64> wasn't it from 15.04
[21:30] <dro> I'm currently looking for a soft to batch-adjust color/contrast of photos, any suggestion?
[21:30] <k1l_> ksft: but i suggest you first try the 15.10 backports kernel and xorg stack for better hardware compatibility
[21:31] <Ben64> dro: imagemagick?
[21:31] <ksft> k1l_: what are those words?
[21:31] <k1l_> !hwe | ksft
[21:31] <math654> k1l_: right. thanks
[21:31] <dro> Ben64, tried already, but haven't found any option to adjust based on some algo that would find the best settings for each image separately
[21:32] <k1l_> math654: if you are interessted in working on those issues people in here will help. but for fedora support you have to ask in #fedora
[21:32] <dro> I'd simply like to make them look better, without pre-defining precise filters, since all photos a pretty different
[21:32] <ksft> k1l_: it says this:
[21:32] <ksft> "The 14.04.2 and newer point release will ship with an updated kernel and X stack by default."
[21:32] <ksft> does that mean that I already have it?
[21:33] <math654> so 16.04 will be cool?
[21:33] <on2pk> actually, is it possible to update the kernel?
[21:33] <Ben64> dro: then that doesn't seem like something you can do automatically
[21:33] <math654> or will be same as 14.04?
[21:33] <Ben64> math654: it's going to be super cool
[21:33] <k1l_> ksft: yes, you have a newer kernel and xorg than original 14.04. but there is a even newer one.
[21:33] <math654> Ben64: are you sure?
[21:33] <dro> Photoshop for example provides a function that adjust color, based on the picture itself, and the result looks pretty good Ben64
[21:33] <ksft> ah
[21:33] <ksft> k1l_: how do I update?
[21:33] <k1l_> ksft: you are on 15.04 kernel and xorg. but you can use 15.10 kernel and xorg. its named on that page
[21:34] <dro> So I'm looking for some open source alternative, that could run in batch
[21:34] <math654> Ben64: will intel drivers be supported ?
[21:34] <Ben64> math654: yep
[21:34] <ksft> k1l_: I'm on Ubuntu 14.04
[21:34] <dro> maybe someone knows something :)
[21:34] <ksft> I assume you know that
[21:34] <math654> Ben64: especially graphics drivers, because for 14.04 there is no support
[21:34] <k1l_> ksft: yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Trusty
[21:34] <ksft> I also assume I misunderstand what a kernel is
[21:34] <Ben64> math654: not true
[21:34] <k1l_> math654: intel drivers are inside the linux kernel
[21:34] <ksft> oh
[21:34] <bobby23> brainwave, monkeydust: alright, im determined to get these two files deleted, it wont allow me to delete them manually
[21:34] <ksft> I can totally read
[21:35] <k1l_> math654: so please dont say there is no support for intel. because its already build in
[21:35] <math654> k1l_: my opengl is now 3.0, but it can support 3.3+
[21:35] <ksft> k1l_: "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages."
[21:36] <k1l_> ksft: yes. all packages stay 14.04 only the kernel and xorg will use the 15.10 version with that command. you are already using the 15.04 version of those kernel and xorg
[21:36] <k1l_> ksft: can you put all that into a pastbin?
[21:36] <math654> k1l_: i searched for intel graphics drivers for 14.04 you cannot find it in their site
[21:36] <ksft> k
[21:36] <k1l_> math654: did you understand what i just said?
[21:37] <k1l_> math654: this is not windows. you dont load drivers from websites. ubuntu ships already a lot of drivers.
[21:37] <ksft> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15475232/
[21:37] <math654> k1l_: do you understand what i said?
[21:37] <pam> I can't see all of my folders via nautilus...for example...I can't see my usr folder...seems like I can only be in the home folder...what to do?
[21:37] <k1l_> math654: i do. and i tell you its a non issue
[21:38] <math654> k1l_: if so how do i get gl 3.3+?
[21:38] <k1l_> ksft: if you want the latest intel drivers on 14.04 use the 15.10 enablement stack kernel and xorg
[21:38] <ksft> k1l_: how do I do that?
[21:38] <k1l_> math654:  if you want the latest intel drivers on 14.04 use the 15.10 enablement stack kernel and xorg
[21:38] <k1l_> ksft: sorry wrong name.
[21:39] <ksft> k1l_: I'm trying to install an NVIDIA driver, btw
[21:39] <ksft> oh
[21:39] <math654> k1l_: i know. but i wanted for 14.04 LTS
[21:39] <k1l_> math654: no. you dont know
[21:39] <k1l_> !hew | math654
[21:39] <k1l_> !hwe | math654
[21:39] <math654> k1l_: i know
[21:39] <k1l_> math654: no, you dont know
[21:40] <math654> k1l_: visit intel's site
[21:40] <math654> k1l_: are you sure you should be answering questions here?
[21:40] <k1l_> math654: i know about that. but it is not what you think it is. this is not windows.
[21:40] <TJ-> math654: please read the link k1l_ has provided, it answers your question about installing the latest available Xorg drivers in an LTS release
[21:40] <ksft> math654: if you don't want his/her help, then don't ask for it
[21:40] <dro> in addition, here is the kind of function I am looking for on an ubuntu machine: http://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-editing/auto-tone-auto-contrast-and-auto-color-in-photoshop/
[21:41] <math654> k1l_: wow so self-centered
[21:41] <k1l_> math654: this is not windows. i already told you several times now that intel drivers are inside the kernel already. dont you understand that?
[21:41] <elky> math654: stop abusing volunteers.
[21:42] <k1l_> math654: so if you want newer kernel drivers install the 15.10 backports kernel like i told you know several times.
[21:42] <math654> elky: mind your own buiseness
[21:42] <ksft> math654: s/he's right
[21:42] <ksft> be nice to people who are helping you for free
[21:43] <elky> math654: i am in the team that runs this channel. Your behaviour is my business.
[21:43] <bobby23> monkeydust, brainwave: i know where the ppas are now, how od i delete them from the command line
[21:43] <math654> ksft: so only people who get paid should talk nice?
[21:43] <ksft> math654: I don't see k1l_ being rude
[21:43] <ksft> also, I did not claim that
[21:43] <math654> elky: then you need to better social skills
[21:43] <le_pig> this troll is hungry...
[21:43] <dax> Alrighty folks, let's calm down.
[21:44] <dax> If you have support questions, ask away. If you're not replying to a *support question*, best not to reply.
[21:44] <math654> ksft: i found it rude
[21:44] <ksft> good point
[21:44] <k1l_> ksft: please run a "sudo apt update" and then a "sudo apt install -f"
[21:44] <TJ-> math654: you've been given the correct advise several times, please take time to follow it. You want OpenGL 3.3+ support in the Xorg drivers, you'll need the latest available Xorg stack, which for 14.04LTS comes in the hardware enablement stacks from 15.10
[21:44] <math654> ksft: he said basically said i don't know anything
[21:44] <TJ-> s/advise/advice/
[21:45] <bobby23> alright people, let's calm it, too many hotpockets and mcdonalds can get you hyper
[21:45] <bobby23> this is gnu/linux ;) - signed rms
[21:45] <ksft> k1l_: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 227 not upgraded."
[21:45] <k1l_> ksft: "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:45] <ksft> something about Chrome failed in the first one, but I assume that isn't important
[21:46] <k1l_> ksft: yes, that chrome repo issue can be fixed afterwards. its not related to this
[21:47] <wellick> man shoptNo manual entry for shopt
[21:47] <wellick> what?
[21:47] <wellick> isn't shopt a command?
[21:47] <ksft> k1l_: okay, good, that's what I though
[21:47] <ksft> it's running
[21:47] <le_pig> wellick: it's a shell built-in
[21:47] <ksft> 50%
[21:47] <le_pig> wellick: type: type shopt
[21:48] <le_pig> man bash
[21:48] <wellick> ahh, got it
[21:48] <wellick> thanks
[21:48] <smtwtfs> when people say you shouldn't get intel drivers off the website because they are supposed to be in the kernel...isn't that kind of counter intuitive? I would think the newest ones are always bound to be on the website.
[21:48] <le_pig> wellick: don't know if you saw that, but look at the bash manual and search shopt in there. :)
[21:49] <nxcsa> does anyone else get the issue where if they use cmd+<up arrow> to maximize their sublime text window that that sublime window just crashes but the sublime processes keep running anyways?
[21:49] <k1l_> smtwtfs: that it works on windows. there you get drivers and programs from some websites and install them. on ubuntu there is the packagemanagement and the kernel offers already a lot of drivers.
[21:49] <TJ-> smtwtfs: in Linux Intel work directly on the Linux kernel, and on the Xorg stack
[21:50] <k1l_> smtwtfs: and btw, even windows starts to ship drivers on their own.
[21:50] <smtwtfs> how often is the kernel updated though
[21:51] <TJ-> smtwtfs: for Ubuntu, or generally?
[21:51] <smtwtfs> ubuntu
[21:51] <bobby23> i hereby will never install ppas again
[21:51] <TJ-> smtwtfs: each Ubuntu release has the latest mainline stable kernel that was available during development
[21:52] <k1l_> smtwtfs: ubuntu keeps the same main version while on one release. so 15.10 comes with kernel 4.2 and keeps that. but the kernel gets updated builds to fix issues and security issues.
[21:52] <TJ-> smtwtfs: mainline development cycle is about 3 months-ish
[21:52] <ksft> k1l_: finished
[21:52] <ksft> what do I do now?
[21:52] <k1l_> smtwtfs: but for the LTS you can have the kernel and xorg from the next ubuntu releases. like 15.10 now. so you can have kernel 4.2 in 14.04
[21:52] <TJ-> smtwtfs: this is why Ubuntu Long Term Support releases have the Enablement stack; to bring later kernels and Xorg stack to older releases
[21:53] <Finetundra__> How do I restart the network services?
[21:53] <TJ-> Finetundra__: on what Ubuntu release?
[21:53] <Finetundra__> Or better yet, check the status
[21:53] <smtwtfs> so say I buy a kaby lake nuc when those come out, if the kernel is older than the product I've just bought doesn't it make more sense to get the intel drivers from the site?
[21:53] <k1l_> ksft: try to install that .run if you want.
[21:53] <Finetundra__> 14.04.3 I think
[21:53] <ksft> k
[21:54] <TJ-> Finetundra__: "sudo service network-manager restart" (or 'status' for the service status)
[21:54] <k1l_> smtwtfs: that is why ubuntu ships new kernels and xorg on the 14.04.3 /.4 /.5 isos
[21:54] <TJ-> smtwtfs: no, but it would make sense to install the latest kernel release that supports the architecture
[21:54] <bobby23> k1l_: how do i remove the two ppas i have, they are in sources.list.d
[21:54] <k1l_> smtwtfs: its called "hardware enablement stack"
[21:55] <k1l_> !hwe | smtwtfs
[21:55] <ksft> k1l_: same error
[21:55] <k1l_> ksft: ok, try a reboot to make sure the kernel is properly loaded
[21:56] <smtwtfs> ok, thanks.
[21:56] <smtwtfs> makes more sense now
[21:56] <ksft> should I follow the instructions on that page on the wiki you linked to again?
[21:56] <ksft> it says to run `sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily`
[21:56] <Finetundra__> TJ- hmm alright so that worked. But I'm unable to connect to the internet. I can't even ping my router
[21:56] <k1l_> ksft: i thought that were intsalled already
[21:56] <ksft> no, there was an error
[21:57] <k1l_> ksft: then give it  a go.
[21:57] <ksft> k1l_: same error
[21:57] <ksft> "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages."
[21:57] <bobby23> alright, screw it
[21:57] <bobby23> im gonna reinstal lubuntu
[21:57] <bobby23> bloody rms
[21:58] <TJ-> Finetundra__: OK, so first tell us what network interface you expect to be using, is it Wifi or Wired?
[21:58] <k1l_> ksft: can you pastebin?
[21:58] <Finetundra__> Wired
[21:58] <ksft> k1l_: I did before: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15475232/
[21:59] <Finetundra__> Ah, ok, I resolved my issue
[21:59] <Finetundra__> After 5 reboots it works again
[22:00] <k1l_> ksft: ok. can you show a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[22:01] <ksft> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15475347/
[22:01] <k1l_> ksft: i need the new output because the errormessages might be different and that matters, btw
[22:01] <ksft> k1l_: oh, just a sec
[22:01] <bobby23> you guys ever emailed rms?
[22:02] <bobby23> im gonna email him and ask why his software and ask why gnu always stall-man !
[22:02] <bobby23> lol!
[22:02] <brainwave> I emailed RMS
[22:02] <brainwave> To seek his approval before I bought my macbook
[22:02] <ionics> Hello everyone, I need a little help. I'll cut to the chase. All of my ZNC users and Psybnc users and any eggdrops. everything basically that I run from my server has the IDENT on irc exactly the same as the SSH User that I run the znc/psy/egg with. How can I configure the oidentd so that when I add the god damn new user to znc or psybnc it has the ident that I give it and not the $username of
[22:02] <ionics> my linux server that I ran the file with. Can you help? Please?
[22:03] <bobby23> what did he say
[22:03] <brainwave> He told me, as long as I dont use smack OS, its legit
[22:03] <bobby23> "im not glad steve jobs is dead but im glad he's gone"
[22:03] <ksft> k1l_: here's the new output, but I think it's the same: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15475398/
[22:04] <ksft> k1l_: and /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15475403/
[22:05] <bobby23> brainwave: is it possible in any way that the spotify ppa screwed my system, what do you think: https://www.spotify.com/uk/download/linux/
[22:05] <brainwave> bobby23: I highly doubt any known ppa like spotify will screw your system so bad that yo u cant boot.
[22:06] <k1l_> ksft: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-wily libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-wily:i386 libglapi-mesa-lts-wily:i386
[22:06] <bobby23> brainwave: then could it be a bad usb?
[22:07] <brainwave> bobby23: again, I doubt a usb can stop your system from booting. Its either your kernel thats bad or your boot options.
[22:09] <ionics> Thanks so much!
[22:09] <finetundra_> Hey folks, would I be able to install KDE 5 on 14.04?
[22:09] <ksft> k1l_: done
[22:09] <k1l_> ksft: no issues now? then reboot
[22:09] <ksft> l
[22:09] <bobby23> alright
[22:09] <ksft> k*
[22:09] <bobby23> thanks guys
[22:10] <bobby23> see you later
[22:10] <ksft> should I run the other command again?
[22:10] <ksft> I'm going to guess I shoudln't
[22:10] <k1l_> first reboot for the new kernel
[22:10] <ksft> rebooting...
[22:10] <ksft> k
[22:14] <munch_Marcell> Does anyone know a way around forcing flash videos to fullscreen on a monitor set as secondary?
[22:15] <salamanderrake> how do you tell which ppa/repo a package is from?
[22:15] <munch_Marcell> Mines keeps "fullscreening" on my primary, no matter that I refresh and put the browser on the secondary monitor
[22:15] <mia> hey all - my <system settings< is not opening
[22:15] <EriC^^> salamanderrake: apt-cache policy <package>
[22:15] <mia> jsut waiting and waiting
[22:15] <mia> how can I fixt this
[22:15] <k1l_> salamanderrake: apt-cache policy pacakgename
[22:16] <salamanderrake> k thanks
[22:24] <pam> I can't see all of my folders via nautilus...for example...I can't see my usr folder...seems like I can only be in the home folder...what to do?
[22:25] <k1l_> pam: press alt+uparrow   to go up
[22:25] <munch_Marcell> Can anyone give me any pointers for multimonitor fullscreen issues with flash?
[22:26] <k1l_> pam: or click on the left list on the entry for the own pc hdd
[22:31] <ksft> k1l_: having more problems now
[22:32] <ksft> couldn't get Ubuntu to boot correctly a few times
[22:32] <ksft> it was hanging at the Ubuntu logo
[22:32] <k1l_> ksft: any errors?
[22:32] <ksft> no
[22:32] <ksft> it started, sorta
[22:32] <ksft> this last time
[22:32] <ksft> it showed the logo, then the screen went black
[22:32] <k1l_> what is "uname -a" now?
[22:32] <brainwave> it tells you your kernel version
[22:32] <ksft> I pressed Ctrl-Alt-F1 and got to a terminal
[22:33] <ksft> just a sec
[22:33] <k1l_> ksft: that might be due to the failed driver install
[22:33] <ksft> k1l_: 4.2.0-34-generic
[22:33] <ksft> I've had similar problems before
[22:33] <k1l_> ksft: ok. you are in here with that pc?
[22:33] <ksft> usually, it just hangs at the logo, and I have to restart once or twice, and then it works
[22:33] <ksft> I am
[22:34] <ruberth> wazzup
[22:34] <ksft> I can use another computer tomorrow--maybe I'll just come back then
[22:34] <k1l_> ksft: ok, just for getting the logs and output
[22:35] <k1l_> ksft: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:35] <k1l_> that will post an url. please provide that url
[22:35] <ruberth> zzzzz
[22:37] <pam> Has anyone been able to install adobe air apps via wine?
[22:42] <cspack> pam: yes I've done it recently, works fine
[22:42] <pam> cspack: how did you get it to work?  I installed Air.  But I have no freaking clue how to run air to actually install programs
[22:44] <cspack> pam: I just ran the app installer under wine. i.e. "wine appname" from terminal
[22:45] <pam> cspack: For some reason I can't figure this out..driving me nuts
[22:47] <cspack> pam: is there an error message?
[22:50] <wsr3193> server irc.ircstorm.net
[22:51] <ksft> a
[22:51] <ksft> oops
[22:52] <ksft> k1l_: went afk for a sec--back now
[22:52] <ksft> getting that...
[22:56] <ksft> k1l_: termbin.com/xowg
[22:57] <pam> cspack: I've already got the air app installer...I'm trying to install an air app that has an extension of .air
[22:57] <cspack> pam: try "wine AdobeAIRInstaller.exe appname.air"
[22:57] <k1l_> ksft: that is a optimus intel and nvidia video setup?
[22:58] <pam> ah
[22:58] <ksft> k1l_: if that's what it says
[22:58] <ksft> the graphics card is NVIDIA
[22:58] <ksft> the CPU is Intel
[22:58] <pam> cspack: nope
[22:58] <ksft> the graphics card is a GTX 960M, I think
[22:59] <ksft> it's a laptop, so I'm not completely sure
[22:59] <qwertylol> hello, isn't there a ubuntu talk channel?
[22:59] <MonkeyDust> qwertylol  #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:59] <qwertylol> thanks
[22:59] <ksft> according to the sticker, it's an i7
[23:00] <cspack> pam: what is the error message?
[23:00] <pam> "too many arguements"
[23:00] <pam> Is this correct? wine AdobeAIRInstaller.exe socialad.air
[23:05] <ksft> k1l_: you there?
[23:06] <k1l_> ksft: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[23:06] <k1l_> ksft: and "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[23:07] <ksft> k1l_: "Kernel driver in use: i915"
[23:08] <k1l_> ksft: yeah, thats what i thought. its using the intel gpu driver now.
[23:08] <ksft> k1l_: for the other one, nvidia-352, nvidia-opencl-icd-352, and nvidia-settings
[23:08] <ksft> do you want to full output?
[23:08] <ksft> the*
[23:09] <k1l_> "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:09] <ksft> k1l_: termbin.com/9z16
[23:09] <k1l_> what video card was it?
[23:09] <ksft> GTX 960M, I think
[23:10] <dusan1134> I am on ubuntu gnome 15.10 and my screen is black and the only thing I can see is the cursor
[23:10] <dusan1134> Pls help
[23:10] <pam> cspack: any idea?
[23:10] <k1l_> ksft: "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:10] <ksft> yeah, 960M
[23:10] <cspack> pam: try wine 'c:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Flash Player\AddIns\airappinstaller\airappinstaller.exe' socialad.air
[23:11] <ksft> k1l_: termbin.com/2vmi
[23:11] <Guest57524> im banned from ubuntu-offtopic and idk why
[23:11] <Guest57524> I'ts weird
[23:11] <k1l_> !register | Guest57524
[23:11] <Guest57524> i don't recall doing anything
[23:13] <k1l_> ksft: sudo apt install nvidia-prime
[23:13] <ksft> k1l_: done
[23:13] <ksft> should I reboot again?
[23:13] <k1l_> ksft: did it install=
[23:13] <ksft> yup
[23:14] <k1l_> yep. restart
[23:14] <ksft> k
[23:15] <ksft> k1l_: the screen went black after the Ubuntu logo again
[23:15] <dusan1134> yes the screen went black after login in through GDM
[23:16] <pam> cspack: Do I use that in terminal?  Can't find it
[23:16] <cspack> pam: yes in terminal. If that doesn't work have a look at this http://jcward.com/Installing+AIR+Apps+On+Linux
[23:17] <dusan1134> please I really need some help here
[23:17] <ksft> me too
[23:17] <k1l_> !nomodeset | ksft
[23:17] <zylex`> Hey guys, anyone knows how to fix color in /etc/issue? it works if i "cat /etc/issue" but not when i ssh and banner displays. it displays it as raw text then..
[23:18] <ksft> oh, I remember something about that from when I was having problems with this before
[23:18] <ksft> can't easily read that website from a terminal, though
[23:18] <ksft> k1l_: what do I do?
[23:18] <dusan1134> But it was working fine
[23:18] <k1l_> ksft: try to set this kernel mode. you can choose your ubuntu entry in grub, press "e" add the  "nomodeset" after the "quiet splash". then boot that entry
[23:18] <ksft> k
[23:18] <pippo> ciao
[23:19] <dihia> hello everyone
[23:20] <ksft> k1l_: sorta worked
[23:20] <k1l_> ksft: any issues?
[23:20] <ksft> when I try to log in, the screen goes black briefly, and then it asks me to enter my password again
[23:20] <k1l_> ksft: does guest account work?
[23:20] <ksft> testing...
[23:20] <ksft> no
[23:21] <ksft> k1l_: why would that happen?
[23:21] <k1l_> ksft: still a driver issue
[23:21] <ksft> ah
[23:22] <k1l_> ksft: but keep in mind that nomodeset trick.
[23:22] <ksft> okay
[23:22] <ksft> so how do I log in?
[23:22] <k1l_> ksft: the nvidia seems to be not working yet
[23:23] <ksft> k1l_: how do I fix that?
[23:23] <k1l_> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:24] <ksft> k1l_: termbin.com/0yep
[23:27] <finetundra_> How would I go about changing the cursor at the lock/login screen?
[23:27] <ksft> k1l_: isn't it the same as before?
[23:27] <k1l_> ksft: ok, so your state seems to not match the state others had with that card. they said it worked. so what was after install and what did you do then?
[23:28] <ksft> when?
[23:28] <k1l_> ubuntu install
[23:28] <ksft> I installed Ubuntu a while ago
[23:28] <ksft> it worked fine after that
[23:28] <k1l_> and then?
[23:28] <ksft> I forget exactly what I did, but I remember asking for help here when the driver wasn't working right
[23:28] <username249035> hi. Guys, how to open folder (GUI) with given path, using terminal? I have ubuntu 14.04
[23:29] <k1l_> ksft: just to be sure: sudo apt-get purge bumblebee* primus
[23:29] <ksft> k1l_: "300 kB disk space will be freed"
[23:29] <ksft> uninstalling...
[23:30] <ksft> should I restart again?
[23:30] <k1l_> username249035: nautilus /path/to/somewhere
[23:30] <Kow> username249035: try 'nautilus <PATH>' example (without quotes): "nautilus /home/username"
[23:30] <ksft> k1l_: should I restart again?
[23:30] <k1l_> ksft: ah, you had bumblee installed? that is old and is making issues now.
[23:30] <ksft> I guess
[23:31] <k1l_> ksft: wait, lets make sure: sudo apt install nvidia-352 nvidia-prime
[23:31] <ksft> k
[23:31] <ksft> did nothing
[23:31] <ksft> already newest versions
[23:32] <k1l_> ok, reboot
[23:32] <ksft> k
[23:32] <username249035> nautilus works, thank you.
[23:33] <ksft> k1l_: black screen again
[23:33] <k1l_> after or before login?
[23:33] <ksft> before
[23:33] <k1l_> try nomodeset
[23:33] <ksft> oh, right
[23:33] <ksft> rebooting again...
[23:33] <ksft> quit
[23:33] <ksft> oops
[23:35] <ksft> k1l_: now I can't log in again
[23:35] <k1l_> ksft: ok, lets check some things: does guest account work?
[23:35] <ksft> no
[23:36] <ksft> k1l_: screen goes black briefly, then back to the login screen, just like my normal account
[23:37] <k1l_> ok, so still driver issue
[23:37] <k1l_> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:37] <ksft> k1l_: termbin.com/6ml2
[23:40] <k1l_> hmm, seems like (EE) [drm] KMS not enabled   is still a bumbebee error
[23:40] <ksft> weird
[23:41] <ksft> k1l_: how do I fix it if I already removed bumblebee?
[23:42] <jackcom> how can i update?
[23:42] <k1l_> ksft: cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:43] <ksft> k1l_: termbin.com/k9cv
[23:44] <k1l_> ksft: you still got that nvidia website driver file?
[23:45] <ksft> k1l_: I think so
[23:45] <pam> ok, need some advice...trying to install an adobe air app via the adobe air installer via wine.  I'm supposed to these commands "winetricks wininet" but i'm getting an error.  Need help!
[23:45] <ksft> k1l_: yeah
[23:45] <k1l_> ksft: ah wait, last idea: sudo apt install dkms
[23:45] <pam> The error is "Downloading http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE failed"
[23:45] <k1l_> jackcom: update what?
[23:45] <ksft> k1l_: "already the newest version"
[23:45] <jackcom> ubuntu k1l_
[23:46] <xangua> !wine | pam why it has to be an Adobe air app?
[23:46] <k1l_> ksft: ok, then "sudo apt purge nvidia*"
[23:46] <pam> xangua: because its a specific app
[23:46] <k1l_> ksft: then install that .run file
[23:46] <ksft> k
[23:46] <pam> xangua: it has to be run with the newer air app....not an older outdated one
[23:46] <jackcom> k1l_: ?
[23:47] <k1l_> ksft: i dont know what happend to your system, because on the internet people get it booted with nomodeset , then install the nvidia driver from ubuntu and it works.
[23:48] <ksft> k1l_: "The distribution-provided pre-install script failed!"
[23:48] <xangua> pam: isn't err...Adobe air discontinued ? There is no new one...?
[23:48] <ksft> k1l_: "Are you sure you want to continue?"
[23:48] <k1l_> jackcom: run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to get your ubuntu release to the latest package state
[23:48] <ksft> k1l_: I'm not sure; are you?
[23:48] <pam> xangua: its discontinued for Linux.  Thats why I'm trying to use it via wine
[23:48] <jackcom> thanks k1l_
[23:49] <pam> these are the directions I'm trying...and its not working in the slightest bit http://jcward.com/Installing+AIR+Apps+On+Linux
[23:49] <ksft> k1l_: should I continue?
[23:49] <k1l_> ksft: i dont have a nvidia video card and dont know about that issue
[23:49] <ksft> I'm going to try continuing
[23:51] <ksft> k1l_: "Cannot create symlink /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 (File exists)"
[23:51] <ksft> k1l_: should I "continue installation anyway"?
[23:51] <k1l_> ksft: yeah
[23:51] <ksft> k
[23:51] <k1l_> but i really wonder what that systems status is.
[23:52] <ksft> I probably broke something a while ago
[23:52] <ksft> it says it finished
[23:52] <ksft> should I reboot and try it again?
[23:52] <k1l_> yes
[23:52] <ksft> k
[23:53] <ksft> k1l_: still can't log in
[23:54] <ksft> k1l_: guest session also does not work
[23:56] <k1l_> ksft: well, i have no idea how to fix that. that system must have been damaged in the past. everything i see says: install nvidia-352 while using nomodeset and it works
[23:56] <ksft> oh, I didn't use nomodeset
[23:56] <ksft> I got to the login prompt, though, so I assumed it wasn't necessary
[23:56] <ksft> I'll reboot with it
[23:56] <k1l_> that should not be needed after the nvidia install
[23:58] <ksft> k1l_: nope, still didn't work
[23:58] <ksft> I'll come back and see if someone else can help tomorrow


[14:03] <jax55> has anyone experimented with the at91sam9g20ek or any of the at91sam series?
[15:32] <ogra_cmpc> jax55, current ubuntu only supports ARMv7
[15:33] <ogra_cmpc> for the atmel you are better off wiht debian i guess
[15:33] <jax55> ogra_cmpc ... thx, ah...i read that it supports v5 too
[15:33] <ogra_cmpc> jaunty (9.04) supported v5
[15:33] <jax55> right
[15:33] <ogra_cmpc> karmic (9.10) supported v6
[15:33] <ogra_cmpc> and since lucid only v7 is supported
[15:34] <jax55> right, thats what i read...so you think i should still go wit jaunty or go debian?
[15:34] <ogra_cmpc> well, if you go with jaunty you are stuck at it, you wont be able to upgrade to any newer ubuntu version
[15:35] <ogra_cmpc> if that doesnt bother you its fine, else i'd recommend debian
[15:36] <jax55> yeah, that bothers me less....this whole ventrue started by the fact that the angstrom distro and kernel that comes with this board does not have the snd modules loaded properly so alsa breaks....so i decided to try ubuntu (which i preffer anyhow) .....also, do you have a good guide you could recomend? i currently have the angstrom distro on there,
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> well, you will have to roll your own kernel, there is none for that atmel board in ubuntu
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> beyond that, see the rootfs from scratch page from the channel topic
[15:37] <jax55> gotcha...yeah, i had a feeling i am in uncharted terratory with this board
[15:38] <jax55> i apreciate the pointers though, thank you very much
[19:51] <Cosmo`> well rcn-ee
[19:51] <Cosmo`> i finally succeeded
[19:51] <Cosmo`> but it involved soldering and alot of USB cable splicing ... :)
[20:03] <rcn-ee> cool Cosmo` good to hear...
[20:04] <Cosmo`> thanks for your help :)


[08:42]  * apw yawns
[08:43] <smb> morning
[08:44] <jjohansen> morning
[08:47] <apw> morning
[09:26] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:27] <AlanBell> I am investigating some clock drift issues in KVM guests, Ubuntu 10.04.1 server host, Ubuntu 10.10 server guest
[09:28] <AlanBell> the host does support the constant_tsc cpu flag
[09:29] <AlanBell> I can't confirm that the guests are using it, dmesg | egrep "(tsc|TSC)" returns nothing
[09:29] <AlanBell> expired bug 444531 may be relevant/similar
[09:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 444531 in kvm "Guest kernel can't read TSC frequency from the hypervisor" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444531
[09:31]  * apw notes the bug has expired
[09:33] <AlanBell> it has, also relates to Karmic, but it is the closest I could find
[09:34] <AlanBell> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource does contain "tsc hpet acpi_pm"
[11:32] <herton> apw: kernel-buglist-by-team.html still unavailable correct?
[11:54]  * apw has to run and supervise a plumber, will have my lappy with me
[13:19] <apw> herton, seems so indeed ...
[13:19] <apw> JFo, the key bugs list is MIA
[13:26] <tgardner> apw, are there mumble issues today?
[13:27] <smb> tgardner, I seem to be logged in
[13:27] <smb> still
[13:27] <tgardner> it hates me
[13:27] <smb> It hates all of us... just differently
[13:28] <herton> tgardner, there was someone complaining to IS today about not being able to connect
[13:29] <herton> but I'm logged in ok too here
[13:29] <tgardner> sometimes there are single sign-on issues
[13:30] <apw> tgardner, i haven't had trouble, but not been paying much attention
[13:30] <tgardner> what will I do if I can't talk to my homies all day?
[13:30] <smb> Be very productive. *slap*
[13:35]  * apw pokes JFo
[14:01]  * JFo grumbles
[14:01] <JFo> :)
[14:01] <JFo> morning apw
[14:12] <JFo> apw, finally had to change it back to EDGE
[14:12] <JFo> running now
[14:13] <apw_> ok sounds odd bit ...
[14:15] <JFo> well, I suspect the other may be caused by version issues maybe, but I am not sure.
[14:15] <JFo> I did everything they said to do and it continued to fail
[14:18] <apw_> hrm  ... odd indeed
[14:19] <JFo> could still be something I was doing wrong
[14:19] <JFo> in fact, that is most likely it
[14:19] <JFo> at any rate...
[14:20] <JFo> apw, it is up now
[14:21] <JFo> apologies for the delay
[14:46] <tgardner> bjf[afk], sconklin: when do the verification-needed tags get applied?
[14:46] <sconklin> tgardner: brad and I will do that today. We apply them after they are copied to -proposed. No real automation for that yet aside of a script that helps
[14:47] <tgardner> sconklin, ah, thanks.
[14:47] <tgardner> just going through my bug spew after moving stuff to -proposed
[14:47] <sconklin> tgardner: I'm just about all spun up here again after a multi-hour power outage
[14:48] <tgardner> sconklin, hmm, sucks to be you. you've had some exceptionally bad weather this winter.
[14:48] <sconklin> tgardner: two months of terrible weather, and the power goes out after three beautiful days with temps in the 60s. Go figure
[14:49] <tgardner> maybe some drunk dufus smacked a power pole
[15:00] <apw> heh ... so very believeable
[15:11] <pmatulis> what can we say about a process that causes /proc/vmallocinfo to grow without bounds?
[15:16] <hernil> Hello people! I have a kernel-related bug as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10458430#post10458 Any tips?
[15:23] <bullgard> JFo: I get a kernel error message similar to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495674&trim=no . What package should I associate my error report in Launchpad to?" (My question has not been answered in #ubuntu-bugs for > 8 hours.)
[15:23] <ubot2> Debian bug 495674 in alsa-utils "[udev] Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting..." [Minor,Open]
[15:24]  * JFo looks
[15:25] <JFo> bullgard, I would say udev as I seem to recall that we have a specific package for those
[15:25] <bullgard> JFo: Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate that.
[15:25] <JFo> bullgard, my pleasure
[15:25] <JFo> let me know if you encounter issues
[15:26] <hallyn> so are pulls from Linus' tree generally done on fridays, or is that in my head?
[15:27] <JFo> hallyn, do you mean for mainline kernels?
[15:27] <JFo> or something else?
[15:27] <hallyn> yeah
[15:27] <hallyn> for ubuntu-natty
[15:27] <tgardner> hallyn, generally when we see something interesting, like a bug fix or an rc candidate
[15:27] <JFo> I think we pull them whenever we have an RC
[15:27] <JFo> what tgardner said
[15:28] <tgardner> hallyn, do you have something in mind?
[15:28] <hallyn> my patch is affected by a patch by cdub which isn't yet in ubuntu-natty.  I'll just do it against linux-2.6 for now then, thanks
[15:28] <hallyn> well, i don't care about his patch per se, i just don't want to re-rebase and then re-re-rebase to push to lkml :)
[15:28] <tgardner> hallyn, we often rebase against an intermediate tip
[15:28] <hernil> How can I add Nattys main repo to my maverick install to test Natty kernel?
[15:29] <tgardner> hernil, use https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[15:29] <hallyn> the one pinching me is 47970b1b2aa64464bc0a9543e86361a622ae7c03 from last thursday.
[15:30] <tgardner> hallyn, that got reverted
[15:30] <hallyn> oh?
[15:30] <tgardner> hallyn, yep, but we have not uploaded a kernel with that revert in it yet
[15:30] <hallyn> actually 6037b715d6fab139742c3df8851db4c823081561
[15:30] <tgardner> see f00eaeea7a42b5ea327e9ce8839cb0b53d3bdb4e
[15:31] <hallyn> haha
[15:31] <hallyn> but, that only reverts the user
[15:31] <tgardner> is that not sufficient for you?
[15:31] <hallyn> It's the addition of struct cred arg to security_capable() that's chafing me
[15:31] <hallyn> and that was not reverted
[15:32] <tgardner> ok, thats a different problem. you gonna make a patch for Linus ?
[15:32] <hallyn> No, I don't think they intend to revert that.  Rather probably find a different way to use it
[15:33] <hallyn> So my problem is just that I also add an argument to some of the same functions, so patches clash.  I was just trying to decide whether to wait for an ubuntu-natty tree update rather than have two patchsets
[15:33] <tgardner> well, it would only take me a few minutes to run a rebase.
[15:33] <hallyn> duh.  i'll just cherrypick that patch for my ubuntu-natty tree
[15:34] <tgardner> that works too
[15:34] <hallyn> tgardner: if it was something you were going to do soon anyway, sure - but I can cp it
[15:34] <hallyn> I'm still too stressed from the drive to drop off the kids
[15:34] <tgardner> :) ok, gimme a few minutes.
[15:34]  * hallyn isn't a commute kinda guy
[15:34] <hallyn> great, thanks
[15:36] <tgardner> hallyn, actually, it looks like apw has already rebased against tip.
[15:37] <tgardner> UBUNTU: rebase to 795abaf1e4e188c4171e3cd3dbb11a9fcacaf505
[15:37] <hernil> tgardner, thanks. And then what package do I install? :-)
[15:38] <hallyn> tgardner: hm, I had just fetched an hour ago, let me check
[15:38] <tgardner> hernil, use one of the meta packages in linux-meta-lts-backport-natty, likely -generic
[15:39] <tgardner> hernil, 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty'
  not seeing it here - refetching
[15:41] <hernil> tgardner, I think I'm unable to update the package list because of some problem with a ppa. Just keep getting this message: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4B6DCB2258043CFF
[15:41] <hernil> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 10975893E549B1AC
[15:42] <bjf> ##
[15:42] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:42] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[15:42] <bjf> ##
[15:42] <tgardner> hernil, its just a warning that you can ignore. otherwise, see /Read about installing' in the PPA page.
[15:44] <hernil> tgardner, I've added the ppa and done a sudo apt-get update, but can't find the package name you gave me =/
[15:45] <tgardner> hernil, 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty' doesn't work?
[15:46] <hernil> tgardner, nope. E: Unable to locate package linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty
[15:47] <tgardner> hernil, how did you add the PPA source? a new file under /etc/apt/sources.d ?
[15:47] <tgardner> /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:48] <hernil> tgardner, No, I used 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa'
[15:48] <tgardner> hernil, then it likely gave you the wrong pocket, e.g., maverick instead of lucid
[15:49] <hernil> tgardner, How do I fix that? I'm currently on a Maverick system.
[15:50] <tgardner> hernil, you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:54] <hernil> tgardner, The ppa you gave doesn't seem to have a maverick "version". In the technical details this is what it says: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[15:56] <tgardner> hernil, no, it'll have a lucid version. its the same source code but uses the lucid tools to compile the kernel. it ought to be fine.
[15:57] <tgardner> hernil, what graphics chipset are you using? I remembered that X might not work for you in some cases with the backport.
[15:58] <hernil> tgardner, there we go. Added them manually and it worked. I'll install 'linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty'
[15:58] <tgardner> its primarily intended for server enablement work
[15:59] <hernil> tgarnder, I'm using a Dell laptop (Inspiron D531) nothing fancy. If I install this I will still have my current kernel in GRUB so I can boot en remove the new one if it doesn't work?
[15:59] <tgardner> hernil, yep.
[16:00] <hernil> Then I'll just go for it. My problem is trouble with my new SSDs performance with the current kernel.
[16:02] <hallyn> tgardner: I'm still not seeing any commit past Wed Feb 9
[16:03] <hernil> tgardner, will this give me the headers too?
[16:03] <tgardner> hernil, not unless you also install the headers package
[16:03] <hernil> tgardner, do I need them?
[16:04] <hernil> tgardner, for now I just 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty' 'ed
[16:04] <tgardner> hallyn, are you using master-next ?
[16:04] <hallyn> no
[16:04] <tgardner> hernil, you shouldn't need the headers package.
[16:04] <hallyn> tgardner: neat.  thanks
[16:05] <hernil> tgardner, then I'll be right back. Rebooting to test!
[16:05] <tgardner> hallyn, thats where the most recent bits live.
[16:25] <pmatulis> what kernel are we getting with 10.04.2 ?
[16:25] <tgardner> pmatulis, 2.6.32 ?
[16:25] <hernil> tgardner, I got to boot, but it didn't really solve my problem. Could we continue with PMs?
[16:26] <smb> tgardner, I was inclined to say the same. Guess he wants to know which subversion. sconklin may know
[16:26] <pmatulis> tgardner: k, right.  but there will be option to install with lts backport
[16:27] <tgardner> hernil, no PMs on a public forum. besides, I'm not sure I can help you with your SSD performance issues anyways. its kind of subject to the work load.
[16:27] <tgardner> pmatulis, on the DVD
[16:27] <pmatulis> smb: yes, the subversion
[16:27] <sconklin> pmatulis: 2.6.32-28.55, same as is in updates now
[16:27] <pmatulis> sconklin: ok
[16:27] <tgardner> pmatulis, dunno, you'll have to ask skaet what ultimately ended up in the release
[16:28] <hernil> tgardner, Okey :-) Is the kernel I tested now different from yesterdays natty daily-build?
[16:28] <pmatulis> smb: i'm asking b/c i thought it might help with what i'm seeing.  .32 is giving me oom trouble with vsftpd stress test while lts-backport .35 is very fine
[16:29] <tgardner> hernil, no, the pre-proposed natty kernel is the absolute bleeding edge. the backport tends to lag by a week or more.
[16:30]  * smb is not sure he want to know what vsftp is
[16:31] <hernil> tgardner, Okey. So if I wait for a week or so and update my system as normal I'd get the kernel I tested yesterday?
[16:31] <pmatulis> smb: it's a very popular ftp daemon which is in main
[16:32] <tgardner> hernil, its not deterministic, but yes, it'll eventually catch up
[16:32] <pmatulis> smb: /proc/vmallocinfo fills up until oom invoked (500 lines) but .35 test will never show more than 2 lines
[16:33] <smb> pmatulis, Oh, that was that very secure ftpd stuff. Hm,
[16:33] <pmatulis> smb: will open bug but i thought i might ask in here first
[16:34] <hernil> tgardner, Ok. Do you know if the bug I'm experiencing is official and fixed? Should I report somewhere?
[16:34] <pmatulis> smb: why would vmallocinfo be so different in .35?
[16:34] <apw> pmatulis, you say it fills up, what does it fill up with
[16:35] <apw> mine has 169 on my laptop when quiet
[16:35] <pmatulis> apw: i will need to redo the test to get that
[16:35] <apw> each line give you a hint as to whome is to blame for the mapping
[16:36] <tgardner> hernil, what bug? I'm not sure a slow device constitutes a bug. there is a large performance range difference between the various manufacturers.
[16:36] <pmatulis> apw: ok but no weird that just a different kernel will make things better?  can it sill be the application at fault?
[16:37] <apw> pmatulis, there would be some 60k changesets between the two kernels, so anything is possible
[16:37] <hernil> tgardner, I guess it's a bug when the drive has expected performance in lucid and then goes down to normal HDD-speed with maverick?
[16:39] <apw> JFo, about ?
[16:45] <bjf> ##
[16:45] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 15 minutes
[16:45] <bjf> ##
[16:46] <tgardner> hernil, perhaps, but its an issue that'll have to be solved by the upstream developers.
[16:47] <JFo> apw, yessir
[16:47] <apw> JFo, have all of the regression-potentials on our key bugs list been reviewed now?
[16:48] <JFo> there shouldn't be any regression-potential
[16:48] <hernil> tgardner, I see, but how do I make them aware of the problem? Could you point me in the right direction? :-)
[16:48] <JFo> I still need to remove all regression-potential tags
[16:48] <JFo> as that is a deprecated tag now
[16:49] <JFo> wait, do you mean regression-proposed apw ?
[16:49] <apw> yes, i keep saying that wrong, yes i mean proposed
[16:49] <JFo> I believe they should be.
[16:50]  * JFo goes to look
[16:50] <tgardner> hernil, you can send an email to LKML, but don't be surprised if you don't get a response. Do your homework on SSDs. There are some performance tricks that involve partition alignment depending on the device, etc.
[16:51] <hernil> tgardner, I'm in no way knowledga
[16:51] <JFo> looks like there is only one in our list, but it is the wrong status
[16:52] <apw> there are two next to each other n the top table alone ?
[16:52]  * JFo looks again
[16:52] <hernil> tgardner, * I'm in no way knowledgeable when it comes to SSDs but I've done som research the last couple of days. Alignment was one of the things I got confirmed was all right :-)
[16:53] <JFo> ah, I needed to refresh :)
[16:53] <tgardner> hernil, well then, you've surpassed my knowledge
[16:53] <apw> JFo, and i dee 5 at least in the incomplete table
[16:53] <cking> I think the alignment should be automatically set to a fairly optimal state by the installer
[16:53] <JFo> well, the one that just appeared is brand new
[16:54] <JFo> as of an hour ago
[16:54] <JFo> the only ones I see are in incomplete without response
[16:54] <JFo> are those the ones you are referring to?
[16:54] <apw> 717970	Undecided	New			After sleep, key presses get lost and trackpad is jittery		regression-proposed
[16:54] <apw> 719393	Undecided	New			package linux-image-2.6.35-27-generic (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive		regression-proposed
[16:55] <JFo> right, the second one is brand new
[16:55] <apw> JFo, and yes there are indeed a number under incomplete.  but we need to know they are -proposed truly
[16:55] <JFo> ah right,
[16:55] <hernil> tgardner, thank's for all your help! I'll continue poking around and see if i get somewhere :-)
[16:55] <apw> cause they should _all_ offiically be blockers to a -proposed to -updates shift
[16:55] <JFo> I agree
[16:55] <apw> and therefore they should be of interest to sconklin and bjf
[16:56] <JFo> sorry, my mind was somewhere else
[16:56] <apw> and they need to be uptodate to be any use what so ever
[17:13] <apw> JFo, hey ... there are regression-proposed bugs on natty ... they should be regression-release
[17:13] <JFo> ?
[17:13] <apw> JFo, and you are not hearing us on mumble
[17:13] <JFo> gah
[17:13] <JFo> one sec...
[17:31] <JFo> <-food
[17:36]  * tgardner --> lugging servers around
[18:01] <apw> bryceh, hey about ?
[18:01] <apw> bryceh, bug #716811 ...
[18:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 716811 in nfs-utils "[SandyBridge] kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/fs/nfsd/nfs4state.c:3132!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716811
[18:02] <apw> did you have any idea which fix was relevant here?  i read the email list, and pulled the branches that tagahashi tested which seemed to get a change on 11th and yet the branch only goes up to the 6th
[18:18] <bryceh> apw, no, I had some trouble pulling his tree.  I ended up just switching off nfsv4; has been stable for me since then.
[18:18] <apw> bryceh, ok ... bah
[18:43] <JFo> gah, burned my tongue at lunch :-(
[18:44] <kamal> ... but will this make JFo any less loud?   hmmm.   ;-)
[18:44] <JFo> doubtful ;)
[18:48] <JFo> hey kamal,how is the newest DJ doing?
[18:49] <JFo> rather kamal,
[18:49] <JFo> my typing is horrible on a good day
[18:50] <kamal> JFo: oh she's doing fine -- still enjoying fooling with the DJ gear
[18:50] <bode> hi people, I own a sony vaio vccw with nvidiagt230. I always get a black screen on boot with maverick kernel 2.6.35, but we I tried natty alpha1 kernel 2.6.37 the problem finally was solved, now with natty alpha2 adn kernel 2.6.38 the problem is returnet (no more black screen, but on the screen remains the GRUB image, while the system is booted (i checked it on an external monitor))
[18:50] <JFo> kamal, excellent! :)
[18:50] <bode> i want to know if this problem is well known, thanks!
[18:56] <janimo> apw, is the decision to remove versatile from natty made?
[18:57] <apw> janimo, /me is unaware of any significant progress on that
[18:58] <janimo> apw, any discussion needed or blocked on something?
[18:59] <ogra> fyi i just removed imx51 from the seeds
[18:59] <apw> janimo, i thought there was testing going on, and i've not seen the outcome
[18:59] <apw> perhaps ogra knows as the testing was in his team i think
[18:59] <janimo> apw, ah, testing of qemu and omap?
[18:59] <apw> yep
[18:59] <ogra> janimo, yeah
[18:59] <ogra> we need to make sure the vm still runs
[18:59] <janimo> well, omap3 linaro images boot in qemu-linaro
[19:00] <jjohansen> bode: there are a number of video/display bugs but I am unsure if yours is the same as existing ones.  File a bug and then with all the appropriate information etc, it can be determined whether its a duplicate
[19:00] <apw> janimo, yep, and those arn't our images sadly
[19:00] <ogra> janimo, rootstock will need changes first
[19:00] <janimo> ogra, what changes does rootstock need?
[19:00] <janimo> I was hooing the package naming made that unnecessary
[19:00] <ogra> it looks for the versatile kernel from netboot atm
[19:00] <rsalveti> janimo: just to get the omap3 kernel
[19:00] <janimo> the qmeu-linary bin package names I mean
[19:01] <rsalveti> I can help on that
[19:01] <apw> bode, nope i am not aware of that symptom set, please file a bug on the -3.30 kernel (if its still there)
[19:01] <ogra> should be only a few lines
[19:01] <ogra> and a testrun with both modes (root and non root)
[19:06] <bode> apw: ok, i'll file a bug  (what do you mean with  -3.30 kernel (if its still there)??)
[19:06] <apw> i mean testing the latest natty kerenl, and filing the bug if the issue is still there
[19:07] <bode> i tried also today with the daily-live image
[19:08] <bode> and the bug was there
[19:15]  * tgardner --> lunch
[20:13] <tgardner> pgraner, you've gone deaf
[20:16] <sforshee> apw, bug 717189
[20:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 717189 in linux "thinkpad t410 freezes reproducibly upon resume from suspend" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717189
[20:17] <apw> apw@agent57:~$ sysctl -a | grep kstack
[20:17] <apw> error: permission denied on key 'kernel.cad_pid'
[20:17] <apw> kernel.kstack_depth_to_print = 24
[20:35] <Guest83863> apw: bug filed!
[20:35] <Guest83863> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/719571
[20:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 719571 in xorg "Natty Alpha2 monitor doesn't work, SonyVaio VPCCW1, NVIDIA GT230M" [Undecided,New]
[20:35] <lamont`> apw: around?
[20:40] <apw> lamont, sup
[20:41]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:47] <lamont> apw: -> /query
[20:56] <tgardner> pgraner, so, I'm shucking and jiving with my USB audio headset. no crashes yet using just Banshee.
[20:57] <pgraner> tgardner, try mumble
[20:57] <tgardner> pgraner, working on it
[21:00] <bode> apw: can you check if the information on the bug are usefull or if something else is needed?
[21:00] <tgardner> bode, I think apw is done for the day. he's in the UK
[21:03] <bode> ops.. i'm in italy, i always forget about the time!


[00:00] <Bryanstein> f2, well yes...the v1 minnow did
[00:00] <Bryanstein> This one does too
[00:00] <f2> ah, interesting
[00:00] <Bryanstein> I was using the raid array on the original minnow via sata
[00:00] <f2> (never had a v1 minnow — too expensive)
[00:02] <Bryanstein> Yes it was and it was only 32 bit :oO
[00:03] <Bryanstein> I'll have to post something to their mailing list so that I can "formally" ask for it to be turned on in the firmware
[00:03] <Bryanstein> Otherwise it won't happen...irc isn't watched like mailing lists are
[00:04] <f2> or you can turn to “Russian Hacked BIOS” as a solution
[00:04] <f2> (don’t ask… will tell you when I see you)
[00:05] <f2> had to do that to get RAID 10 on some hardware
[00:11] <f2> Bryanstein: gotta go.  See you on the 13th (my birthday!)
[00:12] <Bryanstein> Wow cool! later
[03:44] <mhall119> Bryanstein: did you send me that email of timeslots?


[01:29] <len-1204> ailo, have you set a bug for the panel volume control?
[01:58] <len-1204> Astraljava ping
[02:01] <len-1204> I am not sure which app to file a bug against... on the desktop with the nvidia interface... where plymouth would run I get a text replacement that is stock ubuntu rather than ubuntustudio
[02:28] <len-1204> Bug #964931
[02:30] <len-1204> Four install reports on two machines both i386 filed on todays ISO
[02:32] <len-1204> ScottL a comment on the above bug. I don't know where this fall back is kept on the live DVD or how it is activated... but it would be nice to include it in the install.
[02:34] <len-1204> Right now my screen blanks and I get "no signal" on my monitor. I know just to wait and it will come back. Someone else may feel their system has crashed.
[02:45] <ailo> ScottL: astraljava: In my opinion, the volume control problem is worth some trouble.
[02:45] <ailo> It's such a basic thing on your desktop, and it's not working
[02:45] <ailo> Major confusion for the user
[02:45] <len-1204> ailo bug no?
[02:47] <ailo> len-1204: I haven
[02:47] <ailo> I haven't made a bug for it
[02:55] <len-1204> ailo let me know the number if you do. I'll add it to the test results.
[03:25] <len-1204> ailo, the only xruns I seem to get are when the video card turns off from the power manager.
[03:26] <len-1204> Both of those settings can be set to never though.
[03:59] <len-1204> ScottL After a boot to live, in the /lib/plymouth/themes/ directory, there is a link called text.plymouth that points to /etc/alternatives/text.plymouth
[04:00] <len-1204> This file shows on machines that have a poorly supported video card (nvidia in my case)
[04:02] <len-1204> This file seems to set: the text (set to "Ubuntu 12.04"... could be changed to add the word studio) and a set of colours.
[04:04] <len-1204> I think changing the brown to some blue shade might be nice too.
[04:09] <len-1204> The same files exist on the installed drive as well, but for some reason it doesn't get used. Is there some plymouth config we have missed?
[04:33] <len-1204> I have added ubuntustudio-look to bug #964931 as that looks like where plymouth stuff gets set.
[04:34] <len-1204> good night all
[12:11] <scott-work> david h. was working on a blueprint to "Enable jack detection features in the "Sound Settings" page of GNOME Volume Control" : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-p-sound-settings-improvements
[12:12] <scott-work> i wonder if a) he will continue work this cycle and b) if we can help/influence him with either suggestions and/or support
[12:12] <scott-work> gah, i just realized i haven't emailed the TB about the LTS proposal.....damn, damn, damn
[12:12] <scott-work> i will see about that this morning
[12:22] <scott-work> email to TB is done and sent :)
[12:22]  * scott-work hopes he wrote it well
[12:39] <scott-work> micahg: when you are available, can you help uploading for bug #963498 ?
[12:56] <astraljava> scott-work: If you have time, please have a more thorough chat with len_ and ailo re: volume applet. They seem adamant in changing it still for precise.
[12:56] <scott-work> astraljava:  sure
[12:57] <astraljava> scott-work: I can make the change fairly quickly, if need be.
[12:57] <scott-work> astraljava: i was hoping to file a few bugs this morning (after i get _some_ work done, i haven't much so far, hehe) then i wanted us to talk about what bugs are out there and which we want to address
[12:57] <scott-work> astraljava: what would be required for the change?
[12:58] <astraljava> scott-work: A few configuration file changes. I can start preparing for it in a couple of hours.
[12:59] <astraljava> scott-work: ...and then of course testing the new packages, file the necessary FFe bugs, promote them for upload. :)
[13:00] <scott-work> aye
[13:00] <ailo> Let me know what I can do to help, and I will
[13:01] <scott-work> if we are going to the release team with this i would like for us to have already worked out a plan to get this tested and uploaded
[13:01] <ailo> If we can do it now, I'd rather just get it done. It would even be better to have no applet at all, than to have the wrong mixer
[13:01] <scott-work> i think getting micahg 's input would be advantageous, if not almost critical
[13:02] <scott-work> astraljava: ailo: can we agree to get micah's input first, then if everyone agrees we can move quickly?
[13:03] <ailo> Works for me.
[13:04] <ailo> My view is that if it can at all be done, it should be done. No hesitation what so ever
[13:05] <astraljava> scott-work: Sure, he helped in getting it changed for Xubuntu, too.
[13:07] <scott-work> perhaps presumptuous of me, but since he may be doing the uploading i wanted to get his "buy-in" as well :P
[13:11] <astraljava> scott-work: ACK. :)
[13:27] <astraljava> Ok, I'm back in about 4 hours or so.
[13:54] <len_> scott-work have you seen CW's email on the list?
[13:59] <scott-work> len_: about the menu?
[13:59] <len_> yes
[14:03] <scott-work> yes, i did, i spoke with colin in #ubuntu-release before his response and pinged micah to see if he can help upload it
[14:04] <len_> we should be testing every ISO these days? or only ones we know have changes?
[14:06] <len_> I'll back scroll when I get home...
[15:23]  * astraljava is actually online again
[15:40] <scott-work> astraljava: that screenshot of yours where the partitioning shows the xfce icon, any idea where that might be located?  in ubiquity?
[15:45] <astraljava> scott-work: No idea. I'm not knowledgeable regarding the appearance of things.
[15:45] <astraljava> But I can look into it.
[15:45] <astraljava> scott-work: You might want to ping knome about it, though.
[15:45] <scott-work> good idea!
[15:45] <scott-work> knome: do you know the location for the xfce icon that the partitioning tool uses during installation?
[15:57] <astraljava> scott-work: I only see the mouse icon @ ubuntustudio-slideshow-ubuntu/slideshows/xubuntu/slides/icons/menu_16.png
[16:01] <scott-work> i would be surprised that it would be in any of our current code since we've been through it quite a bit already
[16:04] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, it doesn't really make sense looking at it quickly. But I'll do a little bit more thorough investigation.
[16:13] <scott-work> astraljava: sorry, didn't mean to imply that it _WAS_ in ubiquity, i really don't know, it could be in another package
[16:14] <scott-work> i just feel like it most likely is external to ubuntu studio packages at this point
[16:23] <astraljava> scott-work: Yep. That's why I need to do a more thorough investigation, to find out where it fetches that icon actually.
[16:35] <astraljava> What is the pipe (|) character keyboard combination in english charmap?
[16:39] <astraljava> argh
[16:40] <astraljava> Nevermind, it's the f***ing qemu messing with the keys. Can't get most of the chars that require AltGr to work.
[16:45] <astraljava> You know what, I give up. Until I'm at real hardware, I refure to debug things where I need to work with pretty common stuff that this f***ing virt software doesn't support.
[16:51] <scott-work> astraljava: i think ubiquity-ubuntu-artwork: might be the ticket :)
[16:51]  * scott-work hasn't actually looked yet, but is about to look
[16:58] <scott-work> it's really no fun using a windows machine to search fro stuff in launchpad when i could 'apt-get source ubiquity' and then just grep a few things so easily
[17:03] <scott-work> astraljava: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubiquity/precise/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm
[17:03] <scott-work> it's around line 335 or so
[17:04] <scott-work> i got frustrated blindly looking for an image that might not be there (which it isn't) so i decided to open the changelog in launchpad via firefox and search for 'Xubuntu' found it then the revision number of the code and searched again...viola
[17:05] <scott-work> oh wait, this is the background
[17:05] <scott-work> i still haven't found the icon though
[17:06] <scott-work> sorry, there were two things i was thinking about...back to the change log then
[17:07] <astraljava> scott-work: There's no mention of "*studio*" in ubiquity source package.
[17:07] <scott-work> i saw a place (for the wallpaper) where kubuntu and xubuntu (along with ubuntu obviously) are mentioned explicitly and i was sad ;(
[17:08] <scott-work> but then i realized that, well, he haven't been using the live dvd yet, so it probably shouldn't be there :)
[17:26] <scott-work> i'm pretty sure it is ubiquity though but it appears to that it is using images from the dvd
[17:27] <scott-work> astraljava: you might grep Xubuntu and see what pops up, i'll get it tonight if you are can't
[17:44] <scott-work>
[17:45] <scott-work> email sent to -dev mailing list about the remaining bugs, can people look at the email and reply please
[17:46] <knome> scott-work, re icon: no, but ochosi might know :)
[17:49] <micahg> hi scott-work, how can I help?
[17:57] <scott-work> thank knome
[17:58] <scott-work> micahg: we have approval on the menu bug #963498
[17:58] <scott-work> micahg: would you mind helping us to upload the changes to the repos?
[17:58] <scott-work> 'tis a simple change and colin (lightly scolded me) said it was okay
[17:59] <micahg> yeah, seems fine, but I have meetings for the next 2-3 hours, I can try to upload though, is it committed to bzr?
[17:59] <scott-work> micahg: yes, it is committed in bzr
[18:00] <scott-work> i have a meeting too, gotta go
[20:07] <scott-work> webchat might have crapped out on me, perhaps about two hours or so hours ago, i wonder what i missed :P   i'll check the logs later
[20:37] <astraljava> scott-work: Nothing was spoken during the time between your "i have a meeting..." and "webchat might have shat.." messages.
[20:38] <astraljava> scott-work: I need to sleep now, so I'll respond to your bug mail on dev list in about 16 hours or so, will that do?
[20:38] <scott-work> astraljava: thanks and sure :)
[20:40] <astraljava> Ok good, thanks. :) See ya tomorrow.
[21:01] <scott-work> going home
[21:28] <len_> It seems ISO build has gone to manual.
[21:28] <len_> No new ISO today.
[21:49] <ScottL> len_, well that is a relief actually
[21:50] <ScottL> i think i still need to test the latest one...well perhaps, or perhaps not, i'll check the website in a minute
[21:52] <len_> Yes, I was thinking I would have to install a new one and do reports every day... I don't really have that time.
[21:55] <len_> ScottL, I will investigate the text.plymouth thing.
[21:56] <len_> I will also look at a few things to do with the partman icon.
[21:56] <ScottL> len_, i'm guess we used the default stuff in the plymouth theme and need to replace "ubuntu' with "ubuntu studio"
[21:56] <ScottL> but that is a guess (even if it is an educated one)
[22:01] <len_> ScottL, there is a text theme both on the DVD and in the install, the one on the DVD works, but not the one in the install. Changing the text one should be easy enough... but getting it to work on the install may be more than I can figure
[22:02] <ScottL> hehe, that's interesting and a good point
[22:03] <len_> Anyway, I'm off to reboot land to try out some things...
[22:19] <ScottL> micahg, one other thing, can we get your thoughts on updating the mixer plugin to use a different backend (that's my understanding of the fix/update)
[22:20] <ScottL> i'm sorry i forgot to mention/ask this earlier
[22:27] <len-live> From the dvd manifest:
[22:28] <len-live> plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text	0.8.2-2ubuntu28
[22:28] <len-live> plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio	0.42
[22:30] <len-live> from /var/log/boot.log... Found label 'Ubuntu-Studio 12.04 _Precise Pangolin_ - Alpha i386 (20120325)'
[22:30] <len-live> This disc is called:
[22:30] <len-live> 'Ubuntu-Studio 12.04 _Precise Pangolin_ - Alpha i386 (20120325)'
[22:31] <len-live> Not sure how the disk label is set, but it should be changed to beta.
[22:34] <len-live> there is a file in the ISO root called README.diskdefines It is the only place I find the word alpha.
[23:10] <ScottL> len-live, i haven't a clue actually
[23:11] <len-live> Do we set alpha and beta and release?
[23:12] <len-live> Or is it supposed to be auto?
[23:18] <ScottL> len-live, it will be done auto when the full release is ready
[23:18] <len-live> I won't worry about it then.
[23:19] <ScottL> :)
[23:40] <knome> uh oh


 i have an issue on my ubuntu system
 kernels > 2.6.28-12-generic don't boot
 when i get to gdm, all my input/output doesn't work
 i get the capslock light switch blink
[02:37] <DOTSLASH> can anyone help me
[02:45] <DOTSLASH> i have an issue on my ubuntu system, kernels > 2.6.28-12-generic don't boot
[02:45] <DOTSLASH> when i get to gdm, all my input/output doesn't work and then i get the capslock light switch blink... can anyone help me
[03:46] <MTeck> is there any kernel ppa?
[03:49] <dtchen> more specifically?
[03:50] <dtchen> e.g., navigate to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux (with JS enabled), and click "Other versions of 'linux' in untrusted archives."
[03:50] <MTeck> thanks :)
[03:50] <dtchen> you could also see the resulting deb pages: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/
[03:51] <MTeck> I'm just curious if an issue I'm having is because of the kernel as it got assigned or something else
[03:55] <MTeck> dtchen: is that second link stable at all?
[03:56] <dtchen> yes
[04:01] <MTeck> !search gnome-power-preferences
[04:01] <ubot3> Found:
[04:42] <MT-> I'm trying to figure out why I ALWAYS get a kernel panic when I shut down
[04:45] <MT-> bug 396032
[04:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 396032 in linux "System crashes on shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396032
[04:54] <MT-> any chances installing the latest kernel will help me?
[05:00] <MT-> any chance anyone can help me?
[05:07] <JFo> MT the team is in the middle of a sprint week, so there probably aren't many folks around that can help just now
[05:08] <MT-> JFo: oh...
[05:08] <MT-> JFo: I try back in a couple weeks then :)
[05:08] <MT-> so so much explaine :P
[05:08] <JFo> sounds good :)
[07:04] <MT-> well - the latest kernel made my issue go away - but then I can't use virtualbox because I can't compile the module which requires make...
[07:05] <MT-> I guess I can confirm the bug and close it when 9.10 is released - too bad I can't use this permanently
[07:21] <spO> hi
[07:22] <spO> is there documentation about all the linux kernel options?
[07:23] <spO> ie , discribing them in greater detail than menuconfig?
[10:25] <l403> hello
[10:25] <l403> I am missing kernel headers, so I have downloaded the sources of the running kernel and set up everything as if I was going to compile it again. can I just do make headers_install alone?
[10:32] <hyperair> make-kpkg kernel_headers?
[15:52] <bryce> apw, kernel's in the ppa - http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/node/86
[21:09] <spO> anyone here?
[21:26] <hansderagon> Greetings.  Is there a way to have a process run with starvation if necessary on a Ubuntu 08.04 instance?  nice -n 19 does not cut it.  I want a process to run in the background without slowing my desktop experience.
[21:26] <hansderagon> Search the web, but could not find anything.
[21:27] <Nafallo> hansderagon: I believe you want the support channel, #ubuntu
[21:28] <hansderagon> Maybe... but it is related to the scheduler of the kernel.
[21:28] <hansderagon> Is there a command that would set the scheduler to run a process inside the idle loop?
[21:29] <Nafallo> hansderagon: that does not make this is support channel.
[21:29] <hansderagon> Ok.
[21:29] <hansderagon> Moving to the other channel.  Any kernel guys on there?
[21:29] <Nafallo> no idea. your question seems userspace related thou.
[21:30] <hansderagon> Thanks.
[21:30] <Nafallo> glad I could direct.
[22:36] <spO> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git   gives me kernel 2.6.28-10 instead of kernel 2.6.28-15
[23:53] <spO> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git   gives me kernel 2.6.28-10 instead of kernel 2.6.28-15