[00:23] <nixternal> w00t, installed the new irssi :)
[00:23] <nixternal> packaged it first though, so if you want it, let me know
[00:24] <nixternal> irssi must follow debian quite a bit, because they incorporated about 75% of their patches
[00:28] <cbr> isn't it an april fools joke?
[00:31] <nixternal> actually it isn't
[00:32] <neversfelde> I will not believe anything today :D
[00:32] <dtchen> heh, we have a major milestone release at work today
[00:32] <dtchen> (today being 1 apr 2009)
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: will you believe your desktop about the weather? :D
[00:36] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: it is Dubai weather, so if it is sunny, I will believe :D
[00:43] <ryanakca> nixternal: Hurra! Please :) Will they work on my Hardy server?
[01:24] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: trying to follow your weather post and get an error, posted as a comment on your blog what i'm getting in the terminal
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: do you have kdelibs5-dev installed?
[01:25] <jjesse> hrmm don't know, let me check
[01:25] <jjesse> now i will
[01:26] <jjesse> did i miss that in the post
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:26] <vorian> nixternal: new irssi?
[01:26]  * vorian waves
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: I could have said, "make sure you have the kdelibs development headers installed", would that have helped?
[01:27] <jjesse> i probablly would have screwed it up some anyways :)
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: hehe. The rest of the stuff should be more foolproof
[01:28] <tsimpson> vorian: 0.8.13
[01:35] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: one more question: In file included from /home/jonathan/weather/weather.cpp:22:
[01:35] <jjesse> /home/jonathan/weather/weather.h:26:41: error: plasma/weather/weatherutils.h: No such file or directory
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace-dev
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> and that should really, really be it ;-)
[01:36] <jjesse> are you sure this tiem ?
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> pretty sure
[01:53] <jjesse> ok one more thing JontheEchidna, don't have weather under desktop settings, have image, slideshow and color
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: after sudo make install and kbuildsycoca4?
[01:54] <jjesse> dang it forgot kbuildsycoca4
[01:54] <jjesse> i told you i'd screw it up
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking I should just package it and put in in my ppa :)
[01:55] <jjesse> yup even after kbuildsycoca4
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> could you give the output of sudo make install?
[01:56] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/141781/
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> I think I messed up the cmake line
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> do a sudo make uninstall for starters
[01:56] <jjesse> d'oh
[01:56] <jjesse> don
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> make
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> sudo make install
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> kbuildsycoca4
[01:57] <jjesse> that did it
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:59] <jjesse> does it take a while to get the weather of the location?  or do some locations not work?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> which location are you trying?
[02:00] <jjesse> all cities i've tried, grand rapdis, mi, london heathrow, detroit
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> ok, right now it will only work for the first city you specify
[02:01] <jjesse> hrmm ok
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> grand rapids was your first one?
[02:02] <jjesse> yes sir ;)
[02:02] <jjesse> my home town
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> ok, set it to grand rapids then do a kquitapp plasma, then alt + f2 and type plasma
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> just to be sure
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> do you have kdebase-workspace-wallpapers installed?
[02:04] <EagleScreen> kdebluetooth continue crashing for me always I tunr off my bluetooth device
[02:04] <jjesse> i do now
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> ok, kquitapp plasma, start it again
[02:05] <EagleScreen> i have seen similar bugs in launchpad, but all with invalid status due to an invalid backtrace, users cannot send good backtraces without debugging symbols
[02:05] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: thanks for helping me through my stupidness
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: so you got it working? :D
[02:06] <jjesse> EagleScreen: running jaunty now and dont get as many crashes with kbuetoothd
[02:06] <jjesse> hold on still installing
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> this is a good reason why we have package managers, to handle dependencies like this
[02:06] <EagleScreen> i am running jaunty since Alpha6
[02:07] <EagleScreen> kbluetooth crash each time I disconnect my bluetooth adapter
[02:07] <EagleScreen> and it always fails sending a file to my cell phone
[02:08] <EagleScreen> I would like to help reporting backtraces, but I haven't find debugging symbols
[02:08] <jjesse> totatlly
[02:13] <vorian> wee
[02:13] <vorian> 03/31/09|18:15 CTCP VERSION reply from vorian: irssi v0.8.13
[02:14] <EagleScreen> anybody is interested in fixing kbluetooth?
[02:57] <neversfelde> vorian: do not like the new irssi. I can provide you an account on my quassel server :D
[02:59] <neversfelde> is there really a new irssi version, btw?
[03:00] <neversfelde> or an april fool hoax?
[03:02] <tsimpson> neversfelde: it's real, it was announced before 00:00
[03:02] <neversfelde> tsimpson: mhhh, "Posted by Geert on April 1st 2009."
[03:04] <neversfelde> I'll go to sleep and hopefully not wake up until 02/04/09 :D
[03:04] <neversfelde> gn8
[03:04] <tsimpson> I mean UTC, I got a wallop about it at [21:28] UTC
[03:28] <nixternal> ryanakca: I can do a hardy one if you would like
[03:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: just uploaded a Hardy version, when it finishes building I will let you know
[03:45] <vorian> neversfelde: quassel does not have the tools I need to do my irc thing
[03:45] <vorian> but thanks for the offer :)
[04:12] <nixternal> https://edge.launchpad.net/~nixternal/+archive/ppa
[04:12] <nixternal> ryanakca vorian ^^  new irssi packages for Hardy, Intrepid, and Jaunty
[04:48] <nhandler> nixternal: Do you have a link to the upstream changelog?
[04:51] <nixternal> nhandler: right on their front page
[05:01] <nhandler> nixternal: Thanks. I found it about a minute after I asked. I just finished reading through it
[06:08] <a|wen> hmm, looks like the screen corruption issues on intel cards just got de-prioritized
[09:25] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ping
[10:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: you pinged?
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: already got hooked up, I was a bit confused by apt wanting to install all of gnome when doing an dist-upgrade ;-)
[12:01] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: do we have any idea of how many are hit by the intel gfx problems? and if switching to UXA/XAA is a valid solution in most cases, or only for the few?
[12:03] <davmor2> Riddell: incomplete language support on an English install :(
[12:12] <a|wen> davmor2: on jaunty?
[12:12] <Riddell> a|wen: probably quite a lot suffer from it.  switching may or may not help, seems pretty random
[12:13] <Riddell> ask an actual X person for a better answer :)
[12:13] <davmor2> a|wen: yes jaunty today's iso
[12:14] <a|wen> Riddell: we got bruce to look at it; but he resigned from the bug again, so looks currently it doesn't look like much will happen to it
[12:15] <a|wen> davmor2: there was the same problem in intrepid; sounds like it is still not fixed then...
[12:16] <davmor2> a|wen: it wasn't affect installs up-to alpha5 but from alpha 6 on it's been playing up on and off again
[12:17] <a|wen> hmm; do we know how update-notifier-kde is supposed to detect those things
[12:28] <cumulus007> Apport pretty sucks... All of a sudden, it pops up with the question to enter my password
[12:28] <cumulus007> That's not very user-minded
[12:29] <cumulus007> And when it's reporting window opens, it places itselve on some random position on the screen
[12:29] <cumulus007> the progress bar stucks at the left side
[12:29] <cumulus007> it's gui looks like KDE 3
[12:33] <tsimpson> it's actually Qt4
[12:35] <a|wen> cumulus007: if it ask a password to start with it is probably because a application running as root crashed ... then apport runs as root and doesn't use your theme settings, and that is why it might look pretty bad
[12:35] <davmor2> cumulus007: that's because apport needs root access and can only have that if you type in your password :)
[12:36] <cumulus007> okay, but really, it shouldn't poup suddenly
[12:36] <cumulus007> It has an icon in the system tray
[12:36] <cumulus007> just let it open when the user clicks on that icon
[12:37] <cumulus007> Since I am a experienced user, I know what apport-qt does and what is it
[12:37] <cumulus007> on the other hand, the newbie, doesn't know that
[12:38] <a|wen> a kind of message / explanation before it try to gain root priviledges might not be a bad idea
[12:40] <cumulus007> a|wen: I think it shouldn't open without the user's permission at all
[12:40] <cumulus007> Ubuntu doesn't do it either
[12:40] <tsimpson> hmm, self.connect(self.apportWatch, SIGNAL("dirty(const QString &)"), self.runApport)
[12:41] <tsimpson> it does seem to just start from that, without any notification
[12:41] <cumulus007> tsimpson: exactly
[12:41] <cumulus007> and it's, as that line of source code says, dirty :P
[12:41] <tsimpson> looks like it only displays the icon & popup if there are pending crashes when it starts
[12:42] <a|wen> tsimpson: true on that
[12:43] <tsimpson> if it just connects to self.showApportIcon, then it should ask
[12:45] <cumulus007> asks through a Plasma notification
[12:46] <tsimpson> that would require significant changes
[12:47] <apachelogger> davmor2, Riddell: re missing language stuff in english ... it doesn't ship the openoffice l10n packages by default, which leads to that message
[12:47] <apachelogger> actually the metapackage for that is missing (though the meta also pulls in gimp, thunderbird and evolution)
[12:48] <apachelogger> by 9.10 koffice should be stable, so we can drop that stuff all along ;-)
[12:48] <a|wen> apachelogger: but seems you don't get the option to install anything? or was that only in intrepid
[12:48] <apachelogger> language-selector will come up and install the missing packages
[12:48] <apachelogger> dunno if it was that way in intrepid
[12:49] <a|wen> oh cool! ... in intrepid you got the language-selector; but english was greyed out so nothing could be installed
[12:49] <davmor2> apachelogger: :(
[12:50] <apachelogger> well, it installs half the gnome stack right now anyway :P
[12:50] <apachelogger> bug 352036
[12:50] <davmor2> a|wen: you get the same thing now
[12:50] <apachelogger> davmor2: it worked here
[12:51] <apachelogger> though I fiddled with language-selector
[12:51] <davmor2> apachelogger: you just click on install and it all goes away so I'm not sure what it is doing
[12:52] <apachelogger> maybe it is broken
[12:52] <apachelogger> ...the notification thingy
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> whoa, nm-plasmoid commit activity
[13:16] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: quick question for you, do you know if the latest nvidia driver has been packaged? the stable release?
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> 180.44?
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> don't think so, but I saw a wishlist bug for it
[13:17] <jussi01> hrm... the one I read about on planet :D
[13:32] <seele> has anyone else got "let's talk about ubuntu" spam?
[13:34] <Riddell> not here
[13:34] <jpds> seele: from .dk?
[13:35] <jpds> I got that, and so did ubuntu-devel.
[13:35] <seele> hum.. this might be a real person
[13:36] <jpds> seele: google confirms.
[13:36] <seele> so weird.. i got it three times
[13:37] <seele> to my gmail account too
[13:42] <ScottK> seele: I got one directly and one via ubuntu-devel.
[13:42] <seele> yeah, google says ubuntu-server got it too
[14:05] <Mamarok> hi frim the OpenExpo in Bern
[14:05] <Riddell> hello OpenExpo!
[14:05] <Mamarok> sad I don't have any Kubuntu CDs left :(
[14:06] <Mamarok> *from, of course :)
[14:06] <Riddell> intrepid ones are in short support generally
[14:06] <Mamarok> Riddell: I know, let's hope there will be more for Jaunty
[14:06] <Riddell> there will be
[14:06] <Mamarok> great :)
[14:30] <Quintasan> Hi
[14:52] <siekacz> hello
[15:11] <a|wen> hi both of you
[15:18] <jjesse> hello
[15:20] <m4v> hi I'm testing the beta, have anyone noticed that amarok doesn't build a collection in a new user?
[15:22] <a|wen> m4v: don't you just need to specify the collection directory first?
[15:22] <m4v> sep, that's where it does nothing
[15:22] <m4v> yep*
[15:25] <a|wen> okay, that sounds kinda wrong then
[15:32] <m4v> i pick the directory, then click rescan collection, the progress bar shows briefly, but nothing is created, like if the picked dir were devoid of music (it is not). And the console output shows nothing wrong, so I have no clue.
[15:32] <m4v> I should probably fill a bug
[15:38] <rgreening> Tonio_: is there a new kpackagekit?
[15:39] <rgreening> just wondering if we are up to date
[15:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell, Tonio_: please push at least updated translations, if not a whole new release of kpackagekit :)
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: plong
[15:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anything for me to do?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> help us not die under the recent explosion of bugs?
[15:48] <apachelogger> btw, kdesdk needs a triage session + upstream needs to do some triage in kate
[15:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anywhere I should start killing?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> It'd be nice if workspace could get back under 150 bugs
[15:49] <apachelogger> besides... bugs == good, untriaged bugs == bad :P
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> I think a third of workspace is now "new"
[15:50] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> and there has been a recent trend of ubuntu "triagers" throwing anything kubuntu related at kdebase and nothing else
[15:50] <apachelogger> 166 results
[15:50] <apachelogger> that is not too bad
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but it makes me have to not be lazy
[15:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: a) mail them b) mail ubuntu-bugs c) blog about it
[15:51] <apachelogger> if they don't know where it belongs they shall consult with someone who knows
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> I mean, at least when I push things lower down in the software stack I usually request the needed info
[15:52] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Wow, you're already getting flack from that weather blog posting. /sigh @ trolls
[15:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, throw a complaint at the ubuntu-bugs team
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> astromme: hehe, I'll attribute that to aseigo linking to my blog, since he gets a lot of "flack followers" :P
[15:53]  * astromme laughs =). So true
[15:54] <apachelogger> shouldn't bug 352946 be ... like fixed?
[15:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: poke Tonio_?
[15:55] <apachelogger> Tonio_: poke
[15:55]  * apachelogger actually reviewed the code and considered it sane :P
[15:55] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/  <- hehe, quite funny, but I have to admit, that is a gorgeous site theme :)
[15:56] <apachelogger> seen better
[15:56] <Riddell> revu needed  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/taglib-extras
[15:56] <freinhard> got the apport "!" in systray and next to it the update-notifier icon. right click on apport shows the update-notifier menue?
[15:56] <freinhard> looks like a bug...
[15:57] <apachelogger> <3 oxygen @ revu :D
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thank ncommander for that one
[15:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how so?
[15:57] <Riddell> freinhard: what's in the options?
[15:57] <NCommander> What did I do?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> he's the one that got the oxygen in for revu
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: ^
[15:57] <apachelogger> he just did the politics :P
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm just glad that they haven't reverted to orange
[15:58] <NCommander> apachelogger gave me the branch with the code, I just merged.
[15:58] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, I've actively blocked that :-)
[15:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: you have a whitespace hell in copyright :P
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: end of lines?
[16:00] <apachelogger> yep
[16:00] <Riddell> if a devil ever sentenced me to eternity in whitespace hell, I'd consider myself to have got off quite lightly
[16:01]  * Quintasan wonders wheter his translations were approved
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: Section: libs for Package: libtag-extras0 is redundant with the one in the source stanza
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/142117/
[16:06] <a|wen> m4v: i'll test next time i get the chance if it does the same here
[16:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise good with me
[16:08] <freinhard> Riddell: besides the title "Update Notifier" just close.
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: can I archive?
[16:09] <freinhard> Riddell: i guess Apport does not have any context menue and systemtray fails?
[16:09] <apachelogger> NCommander: whom do I thank for revu improvements?
[16:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'm the one who intergrated it with Launchpad, and wrote the PPA upgrader (and scrapped the blue color). RainCT made it pretty and redid the details page.
[16:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, and you gave us Oxygen
[16:10] <apachelogger> NCommander: ppa upgrader?
[16:11] <NCommander> *uploader
[16:11] <NCommander> sorry, brain freeze
[16:11] <apachelogger> ppa uploader?
[16:11] <NCommander> apachelogger, REVU can access your PPA and upload directly from it.
[16:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:11] <apachelogger> how awesome is that
[16:11] <NCommander> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/import.py
[16:11] <jpds> ScottK: Got your RT ticket moving.
[16:11] <NCommander> It was the first feature to be written, and the last to land.
[16:11] <jpds> (for shipit.kubuntu.org correction).
[16:11] <ScottK> jpds: Thanks.
[16:12] <Riddell> freinhard: that's expected then
[16:12] <apachelogger> that said
[16:12] <apachelogger> can we haz paste.kubuntu.org?
[16:12] <Riddell> freinhard: apport's systray icon is handled by update-notifier-kde
[16:12] <freinhard> Riddell: totally confusing.
[16:12] <Riddell> freinhard: maybe the menu could be patched to make the header more obvious I'm not sure
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: think bug 348659 is an ice bug?
[16:13] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, can't the buttons identify as buttons so they get sensible theming? .. or is my konqui broken?
[16:13] <NCommander> apachelogger, the later I think
[16:14] <jpds> ScottK: Apparently the Launchpad folks have to deal with it. I'll get back to you as soon as I know something.
[16:14] <ScottK> jpds: OK.  Whatever you learn, remember it as we'll need it again in a few weeks ....
[16:14] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> <3 the new ajaxy duplication marker on edge
[16:16] <apachelogger> +1
[16:16] <apachelogger> NCommander: weird though
[16:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: possibly ... I am not sure
[16:17] <apachelogger> ice is magic to me :P
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> ksmserver crashes are unusal, unless you have nonfree drivers
[16:17] <apachelogger> ah
[16:17] <apachelogger> oh
[16:17] <apachelogger> uh
[16:17] <apachelogger> startkde is flawed indeed
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> D:
[16:18] <apachelogger> it removes the kde4 .gtkrc if kds or qtcurve is not installed
[16:18] <apachelogger> but there is still the case where the gtk-qt-engine is installed
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> maybe check for the gtk-qt .so?
[16:19] <apachelogger> aye
[16:19] <apachelogger> just needs a small addition to the if
[16:19] <a|wen> NCommander: the buttons are made as <button> instead of <input> which is why they are not styled
[16:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: please take a look at bug 352946
[16:24] <apachelogger> didn't do QA on the change ;-)
[16:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 352966
[16:25] <apachelogger> options are: kde crashes on login before ksmserver saves the session or: that dude is not using autosave, but that save-on-user-request thingy
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 312569 ... the option is directed to kdesudo, it just happens to be incompatible with kdesu's options (check --help for both in kde4's libexec path)
[16:27] <apachelogger> Tonio_: someone needs to squash that ^
[16:28] <apachelogger> it underminds the very principle of using kdesudo as a kdesu replacement
[16:28] <apachelogger> *undermines
[16:28] <m4v> a|wen: drop me a line when you do
[16:28] <ScottK> I thought we were removing gdebi-kde from kubuntu-desktop?
[16:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: how so?
[16:29] <jpds> ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/shipit/+bug/353212
[16:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: Doesn't kdpackagekit replace it?
[16:29]  * apachelogger checks
[16:30] <apachelogger> does indeed
[16:30] <apachelogger> kill it!
[16:30] <ScottK> jpds: Thanks.
[16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ ?
[16:31] <apachelogger> also, I am wondering ... wouldn't it be possible to use kpk as replacement for install-package as well?
[16:31] <apachelogger> AFAIK install-package is basically an automizer for gdebi, so it should at least be possible to exchange gdebi with kpk
[16:31] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm?
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: that requires code, probably not hard but still code
[16:32] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: gdebi is already replaced with kpackagekit
[16:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, longterm target
[16:33] <apachelogger> hm
[16:33] <Riddell> but gdebi is still brought onto the CD by install-package because it shares some classes
[16:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: install-package still depends on gdebi-kde
[16:33] <Riddell> wouldn't be hard to fix that, just moving files around
[16:33] <ScottK> Probably not worth worrying about at this point then.
[16:33] <apachelogger> aye
[16:33] <apachelogger> I only got 3 apps associated with debs :D
[16:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: kpk should get an initial preference setting in it's desktop file though ... to make sure gdebi doesn't become default unless the user chooses to do that
[16:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: it does, I added InitialPreference=10 to /usr/share/applications/kde4/kpackagekit.desktop
[16:36] <apachelogger> ok, I am all happy then :)
[16:37] <apachelogger> bug 351463 sounds really like the issue is related to xscreensaver, my pam can't be at fault here :P
[16:37] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: you around?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: yup
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 346655 ... how to treat that?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> whoa, that's weird
[16:46] <apachelogger> well
[16:46] <apachelogger> no
[16:47] <apachelogger> kdm by default disallows images, since there once was a security issue in the gif lib, which made kdm usable to gain root access or something
[16:47] <Quintasan> "It is recommended to plug in your computer before proceeding."  <-- It means to plug power cable to your laptop or what?
[16:47] <apachelogger> so from then on images are off by default, which is probably what the nice dialog is trying to say
[16:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sounds like it
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> maybe it should only show the change image stuff if images are on in kdmrc?
[16:48] <apachelogger> maybe
[16:48] <apachelogger> though, maybe that is the error message if no kdm is installed at all?
[16:49] <apachelogger> that possibly needs investigation :S
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> systemsettings in general needs investigation :P
[16:49] <apachelogger> nah
[16:49] <apachelogger> it needs policykit :P
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, that reminds me. We need to apply an upstream kwin patch to not use the "fade on admin prompt" effect of policykit-kde
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> that could be done after 4.2.2 is uploaded though
[16:54] <ctp> hi folks. how does jaunty handle kde-apps beeing not ported to qt4? e.g. keepassx?
[16:54] <apachelogger> like strangers
[16:54] <ScottK> ctp: The same as Intrepid did pretty much.
[16:54] <apachelogger> ctp: depends on the definition of handle ;-)
[16:57] <ctp> apachelogger: if some apps do need different qt3 branches, is it ok for jaunty or should i expect truble?
[16:57] <apachelogger> ctp: qt3 branches?
[16:58] <apachelogger> the qt3 libs are still available and you will be able to compile any qt3-only application against them
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you get bug 343588
[16:59] <ctp> apachelogger: ok, thx for info
[16:59] <apachelogger> ctp: you're very welcome :)
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'd say it's invalid
[17:00] <apachelogger> reason?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> because top and ksysguard's outputs aren't supposed to be identical
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> they show different things
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> by default, anyways
[17:01] <ctp> btw. would you recommend to install jaunty today for daily work? is it still buggy under some circumstances (apps, libs) or is it buggy generally? i tried hardy some weeks before beeing released. it was ok.
[17:01] <apachelogger> hm
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the X value is off by 4MiB
[17:02] <ScottK> ctp: There is still significant work going on, so unless you are prepared to work through inadvertent breakage, you should wait.
[17:02] <apachelogger> that is however virt, which usually varies a lot anyway, doesn't it?
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> memory usage in linux is hard to measure objectively, and data can easily be misinterpreted
[17:03] <ScottK> And since they sample asynchronously it'd be stunning if they were the same.
[17:04] <m4v> uh, kpackagekit doesn't prompt for passwd for me, it just fails "you're not root"
[17:05] <ctp> ScottK: ok, thx for info. i'll give it a try on one of my boxes ;-)
[17:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please check if you want to add anything to my comment
[17:14] <apachelogger> I got 4 phone calls while writing it, so I am not quite sure it makes sense anymore :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 343714
[17:23] <apachelogger> IMHO firefox is to blame
[17:33] <apachelogger> bug 344706 is fun :D
[17:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: and you can tell him, that ~40% of his ram is used for cache+buffers ... which is better than having it sit idle
[17:34] <apachelogger> a|wen: not if the system is sluggish :P
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: lol, somebody thought it would be a good idea to make a bug for every memory leak ever
[17:35]  * JontheEchidna remembered seeing it the other day
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> a generic "memory leak" bug
[17:36] <a|wen> apachelogger: well we can agree on the blame firefox part
[17:36] <apachelogger> a|wen: please move the bug :)
[17:36]  * apachelogger moved on to that krunner bug
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> I just moved it to firefox-.30
[17:36] <apachelogger> ah, thx
[17:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wanna file the krunner bug upstream?
[17:37] <apachelogger> better yet, poke aseigo with it ;-)
[17:37] <a|wen> :)
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> the krunner subtraction bug?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[17:37]  * JontheEchidna just finished backlog
[17:40] <apachelogger> a|wen: bug 330419 ... gnome bug?
[17:41] <apachelogger> kwin does not really do the desktop rendering, and since gnome apparently knows of the additional desktop setups it ought to render them upon switch
[17:41] <apachelogger> or maybe kwin needs to send the gnome desktop a signal upon virtual desktop switch?
[17:41] <apachelogger> needs a gnome consult IMHO
[17:45] <a|wen> sounds kind of strange ... no idea what could result in that; could as well be kwin as gnome
[17:47] <apachelogger> that stuff always caused issues
[17:47] <apachelogger> I am not even sure if it is supposed to work
[17:47] <ctp> would you recommend kubuntu jaunty as 32 or as 64 bit version on a amd64 desktop? i see no really use for 64-bit arch on desktop ;-)
[17:47] <apachelogger> it certainly never did for compiz IIRC
[17:48] <apachelogger> gotta run
[17:49] <apachelogger> a|wen: please keep an eye on ubuntu-devel, I threw the question out there
[17:49] <apachelogger> ctp: #kubuntu might be better suited for that question :)
[17:49] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll do that
[17:49] <apachelogger> thx
[17:54] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I just read the backlog and the bug report - I think it's user error
[17:55] <mgraesslin> the user has to change the number of desktops with gnome pager - as in KDE you have to change in KDE's pager
[17:56] <a|wen> mgraesslin: sounds very probable ... do you add a comment to the bug?
[17:56] <mgraesslin> yeah I will
[17:57] <a|wen> cool
[17:57] <a|wen> thx :)
[17:58] <maco> ScottK: got the backtrace
[17:58] <ScottK> maco: Pastebin?
[17:58] <maco> well i think i did....was odd, it stopped responding and gdb said quassel segfaulted, but then after i got the backtrace and all, and quit, it said the program was still running
[18:00] <maco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/142187/
[18:00] <ScottK> maco: Quassel puts it's own backtraces is ~/.config/quassel-irc.org
[18:00] <maco> i see crash logs...are those backtraces?
[18:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:01] <maco> oh ok ive got 9 in thre rght now
[18:01] <ScottK> Did you have quassel-client-dbgsym/quassel-dbgsym installed?
[18:01] <ScottK> I see missing symbols in your gdb trace.
[18:02] <ScottK> Sput: Any help for you ^^^
[18:02] <maco> i have both of those
[18:02] <ScottK> OK.  Odd.
[18:02] <maco> the ones in my ~/.config/quassel-irc.org/ wouldve been when i had quassel-dbgsym but not quassel-client-dbgsym
[18:04] <ScottK> If you have any that have all the symbols, I know Sput is deeply interested.
[18:05] <Sput> that one again :(
[18:06] <Sput> ScottK: how long would a crash fix be able to go in?
[18:06] <Sput> I won't be able to do anything tonight, I might try and hunt for it tomorrow night though
[18:06] <Sput> provided I get a backtrace with all symbols until then
[18:06] <ScottK> A crash we can even do a post-release update for if we have to.
[18:07] <ScottK> maco seems to have a 'special' system in which the Heisenburg variables align to make the crash happen a lot.
[18:08] <jussi01> maco: has a "special" system anyway... :P
[18:08] <maco> yeah yeah joke about my heisenbug curse
[18:08] <ScottK-laptop> ScottK: Ping
[18:08] <maco> scott, what are you DOing?
[18:08] <ScottK> Sput: Notification thing works.
[18:08]  * jussi01 huggles maco
[18:09] <Sput> \o/
[18:09] <Sput> seele will be happy :)
[18:09] <ScottK> maco: Testing a fix to a Quassel notifcations problem.
[18:09] <maco> ScottK: and it doesnt crash much anymore. i simply never ever ever hide any buffers via right-click!
[18:09] <Sput> she tends to curse about that
[18:09] <maco> as long as all buffers are visible, its perfect stable
[18:10] <seele> Sput: ooh, click to open?
[18:10] <Sput> maco: well, if it were only you... but for some reason, several people get that... and I think it started not too long ago even though we didn't touch the code, plus I've never been able to get a backtrace that contained all the symbols
[18:10] <Sput> seele: if the plasma thing sends the signals for you (which it often doesn't for me), it should work
[18:10] <maco> symbol table corruption? can that happen?
[18:11] <Sput> maco: as it stands now, I have a few locations to poke if we missed something obvious (checking for the model to be valid, stuff like that), but since I can't reliably reproduce myself, it'd be hit and miss
[18:12] <maco> Sput: i no longer buy the whole stability argument in favor of FOSS. KMail falls over on IMAP, Evolution crashes on every category except mail, the kernel's always falling over on my machne, Firefox...well, we all know how Firefox is...*shrug*
[18:12] <Sput> having a full backtrace with line numbers etc (that wouldn't only be the symbols but also Quassel compiled with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debugfull, which I don't likely get out of a kubuntu user) would go a long way pinpointing the location
[18:12] <maco> Sput: if you rght click and "hide buffer temporarily" on a bunch of buffers in a row, it handles it fine?
[18:12] <Sput> maco: well, I could tell you how often my wintendo box crashes :)
[18:13] <Sput> maco: yeah does for me, but I'll play around with that more
[18:13] <Sput> tomorrow
[18:13] <maco> Sput: trust me, 9 years of windows v. 9 months of linux. the kernel panics FAR outnumber the bsods
[18:13] <Sput> hoping that a crash fix if I happen to find one can go into Jaunty regardless of whatever deadline you guys have upcoming :)
[18:13] <maco> crashers usually get through easily
[18:13] <Sput> maco: I must say my kernel runs very reliably :)
[18:14] <Sput> and since I stopped using fglrx, all that sometimes fails is resuming from suspend
[18:14] <maco> ill try rebuilding the package with that setting
[18:14] <maco> yeah same with on my old laptop
[18:14] <maco> the 9 month laptop....only recently did it reliably get an uptime > 1 day
[18:14] <Sput> but anyway, open source doesn't magically create bugfree software
[18:14] <maco> yeah
[18:14] <Sput> there is still tens of millions lines of code in the system
[18:14] <Sput> it contains way less bugs-per-line than commercial software, but it still contains enough bugs :)
[18:15] <Sput> I'd wager many bugs get fixed much more quickly in FOSS though, in particular if it's reproducable and users provide the necessary information
[18:15] <maco> i need to get around toopening up my laptops and swapping the wireless card so i can prove that its iwlagn. even though my brother and i have matching laptops, with exception of wireless card
[18:16] <Sput> my unstable KDE4 desktop from trunk, on top of a git X11 and a git kernel runs much more reliably than vista for me, and I'm not using vista very often (just as a game loader every now and then)... still crashes more often for me :)
[18:16] <Sput> then again, I am able to kill any windows installation
[18:17] <Sput> just by coming near it and trying to use it
[18:17] <maco> there are 2 devs that say im not allowed to touch their hardware *shrug*
[18:18] <maco> they think if i touch it, it'll auto-brick
[18:18] <maco> like my keyboards...and mice...and mp3 player...and motherboard
[18:18] <maco> *clears throat* anyway....
[18:21] <maco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/142197/
[18:21] <maco> that of any use sput?
[18:21] <Sput> maco: no :(
[18:22] <maco> ok
[18:22] <Sput> I get a feeling that backtraces won't help much here
[18:22] <Sput> it's Qt that gets invalid data from *somewhere*
[18:22] <Sput> meh
[18:22] <Sput> will have a look tomorrow
[18:23] <maco> heh at least quassel can connect to ipv6
[18:23] <maco> (the only reason i'm using it)
[18:25] <ScottK-laptop> ScottK: Ping
[18:25] <ScottK> Very shiny.
[18:26] <Riddell> talking to yourself? :)
[18:26] <Sput> Zarin was nice enough to tell me how to bypass that focus stealing prevention thingy :)
[18:28] <maco> i dont see any notifications...
[18:28] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Yes, testing Sput's notification fix.
[18:29] <maco> oh not packaged yet?
[18:29] <maco> or oh im confused
[18:29] <gon> where can i found this plasmoid?
[18:29] <gon> http://blog.ratonred.com/2009/01/a-new-stuff-with-the-power-of-plasma/
[18:29] <maco> is kde doing notification stuff to?
[18:30] <maco> or kubuntu or whatever
[18:31] <ScottK> maco: When you get highlighted and Qaussel isn't on top, you should get a notification.  The fix is to make it so you have something to click on and bring quassel to the front.  This used to ~work before we turned on KDE integration.
[18:31] <gon> I want a service-manager-plasmoid  :S
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: btw, did you ever get the wallpaper working?
[18:32] <maco> ah ok
[18:32] <maco> so *exactly* the opposite of canonical? *giggle*
[18:36] <jjesse> maco: hopefully :)
[18:36] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: still shows that i don't have the weather for that location
[18:39] <a|wen> m4v: you need to click apply before the "rescan" button work ... however if you just select the folder and click ok it starts scanning the selected dir
[18:43] <Sput> maco: well, as seele has pointed out in her study, and based on a lot of user feedback including my own, people want to be able to click on a notification to see the program that caused it :)
[18:43] <Sput> I prefer going with that rather than gnomifica^Wcrippling my software
[18:43] <m4v> a|wen: meh, I restarted amarok and out of the blue started scanning everything correctly, just when I was about to report it
[18:43]  * m4v deletes amaroks config and tests again
[18:44] <Sput> ScottK: did you notice that I even manage to switch to the correct buffer now? can't scroll to the line for now, but it should be the most recent anyway
[18:44] <ScottK> Sput: I didn't, but that is totally excellent.
[18:45] <a|wen> m4v: don't know what happened there ... but does seems not to be the general case
[18:47] <maco> Sput: oh im one of those users
[18:47] <ScottK> Sput: Sure enough it does.  Excellent.
[18:47] <Sput> maco: haven't actually met one who *didn't* want to be able to interact with that type of notifications (transient information, like "user went online", is something different of course)
[18:49] <m4v> a|wen: agreed, my pc was drunk after the update apparently
[18:49]  * a|wen needs to restart after the alsalibs update a day or two ago ... sound is kind of on/off for me
[18:50] <a|wen> but well ... as almost the only thing, can i get amarok to play some sound; so still pending
[18:51] <ScottK> Sput: Uploaded.  Thank you.
[18:51] <Tscheesy> nixternal: there are some "ugly" mistakes in the Jaunty Kubuntu-docs, e.g. default Pakagemanager Adept
[18:52] <Sput> ScottK: very welcome.
[18:52] <Sput> let's just hope I find that Heisenbug soon...
[18:52] <nixternal> Tscheesy: which doc is that in?
[18:52] <Tscheesy> in add-applications
[18:53] <Tscheesy> and everywhere a Installation is described
[18:53] <nixternal> grr...it will have to live there for jaunty...could you file a bug report on that please?
[18:53] <Tscheesy> i'll do.. in half an hour ;)
[18:55] <jjesse> nixternal: i see my speeling on add-applications is great
[18:55] <jjesse> sorry about the Tscheesy
[18:55]  * maco checks kontact's docs to see if they still say "TODO"
[18:56] <Tscheesy> jjesse : nP.. i'm in the support-chan anyway :D
[18:56] <maco> uh ok yeah kaddressbook's screenshots are *all wrong*
[18:56] <nixternal> jjesse: i swore I fixed the default installer app though..but I might be going crazy, maybe I did that in about kubuntu or something
[18:57] <nixternal> totaly forgot that add apps was you, so Tscheesy it is all jjesse's fault
[18:57] <nixternal> YES!!! FOR ONCE YOU CAN'T BLAME ME!!!
[18:57] <nixternal> muhahahahahhaha
[18:57] <maco> when the akonadi part of the kaddressbook help says "to be written" does that mean the backend's not in existence yet, or does that mean the docs need to be written
[18:57] <nixternal> maco: heh, kdepim docs haven't been touch in probably 3 years
[18:57] <nixternal> maco: I actually wrote that part :p
[18:57] <Tscheesy> german Translation is partly ahead ;)
[18:58] <maco> well uh kaddressbook for kde4 and for kde3 look way different
[18:58]  * nixternal has to check, but there is a possibility he might be the owner of KDEPIM docs upstream
[18:58] <nixternal> maco: want to help fix all of that :)
[18:59] <nixternal> I can get you started....I will put you in contact with Allen Winters and you can send patches to either him or I for upload :D
[18:59] <maco> i can help with screnshots, but seeing as i was relying ont he help file to tell me how to use kaddressbook....
[18:59] <maco> currently, my contacts and calendar stuff are still in evolution. i cant figure out how to put them in akonadi
[19:00] <nixternal> that is why my focus for the next few months will be upstream yet again...it needs a lot of love
[19:00] <maco> gsoc idea: teach akonadi to read from evolution data server *seamlessly* and evolution data server to do the same to akonadi
[19:00] <nixternal> maco: I didn't think that was all tied in to akonadi just yet...i thought they were waiting until akonadi was 100% complete... toma and i were just talking about that the other day
[19:01] <maco> right now, you can kinda import from one tothe other and then they dont stay in sync and only half the data transfers anyway
[19:01] <nixternal> but for some reason, i am drawing a blank on what was said :)
[19:02] <maco> i got  korganizer to pull an evolution calendar as an ics, but it lost the calendar name
[19:02] <maco> so its name is like calendar-liaywty876siuyg7aya.ics
[19:03] <maco> the categories are lost on import as well. instead of "hey, there's a category i dont have in my list, let me add it", korganizer says "haven't seen that category before, throw it away"
[19:03] <maco> seems like the wrong way to do things :(
[19:06] <nixternal> i was able to sync my google cal with korganizer...but i lost my damn script that was helping me...so now I can just pull from my google cal and not upload
[19:07] <maco> i think its *finally* fixed in jaunty so evolution can handle google calendards right
[19:07] <maco> it still doesnt do gmail as nicely as kmail does though
[19:13] <Tscheesy> nixternal : jjesse: Bug 353327
[19:17] <nixternal> Tscheesy: thank you sir!  jjesse that one has your name written all over it :p
[19:17] <jjesse> nixternal: assign me pleaze
[19:19] <apachelogger> fist time I went to a beergarden this year and already got a sunburn :S
[19:19] <nixternal> jjesse: done
[19:20] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: shouldn't kwin hide the virtual desktop setting then? or does it need to be set in both?
[19:29] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I'm not sure
[19:29] <mgraesslin> the wm has to set the desktops
[19:30] <mgraesslin> but the pager is allowed to set them
[19:30] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I am installing a gnome desktop right now
[19:30] <apachelogger> if both need to be set, it probably could use some usability improvements :)
[19:30] <mgraesslin> I don't think that both have to be set
[19:38] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: would you mind looking at bug 328759 please
[19:40] <a|wen> hmm, quassel using 159M of physical memory (virtual 507M) is that normal?
[19:48] <apachelogger> a|wen: depends on the amount of backlog
[19:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you forward the krunner calc bug?
[19:52] <apachelogger> hm
[19:53] <apachelogger> a|wen: should I convert bug 303576 to a question ... not last line ;-)
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oops, forgot
[19:53] <apachelogger> meh :P
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I was looking for existing reports, then got sidetracked
[19:55] <smarter> you really need patience to svn co WebKit
[19:56] <gon> hello guys
[19:56] <gon> anyone has news about service manager plasmoid?
[19:58] <a|wen> apachelogger: could probably not hurt ... did he get compiz to partly replace kwin, then that might be what kills stuff for him
[19:59] <Quintasan> SysRQ key is compiled in ubuntu kernel by default?
[20:00] <Quintasan> gon: https://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/kde4/service-manager/plasmoid/systemservices/
[20:01] <smarter> Quintasan: grep -i magic_sysrq /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[20:01] <smarter> answer is yes ;)
[20:01] <Quintasan> smarter: thanks, now I will try to reproduce the ext4 freeze "feature" :)
[20:03] <gon> thanks, but i don't know how to build/run it
[20:03] <gon> :(
[20:03] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: the pager-like applet in gnome doesn't show the appropriate settings if kwin is used
[20:05] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot028.png  vs. http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot029.png
[20:11] <Quintasan> gon: hmm it seems there is a application needed
[20:11] <Quintasan> but I can't get it to run :/
[20:12] <apachelogger> a|wen: well, even then... what would that have to do with kdm?
[20:13]  * apachelogger can't even think of a kdm setting that messes things up like that
[20:13] <a|wen> apachelogger: it wouldn't have anything to do with kdm
[20:13] <apachelogger> a|wen: well, it works without kdm, so the problem must be in kdm
[20:13] <Quintasan> gon: there is a python encoding error in line 127, position 1 which is empty space
[20:16] <a|wen> apachelogger: direct rendering not working; i'm hard to accept blaming that on kdm... but startkde vs. kdm is also two different ways to start the xserver, or am i wrong there?
[20:17] <apachelogger> startkde doesn't invoke the X server
[20:17] <apachelogger> the user needs to do that manually
[20:17] <apachelogger> but since stuff seems to work in kdm it probably can't be a X level issue
[20:19] <a|wen> it could also be some sort of kwin issue ... but i still don't get how direct rendering can suddenly be broken if the xserver is the same started in the same way
[20:24] <gon> :/
[20:25] <nixternal> where is the unicorn wallpaper and fluffy bunny theme?
[20:25] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:25] <nixternal> who dropped the ball this time?
[20:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: why would it only appear when started through kdm though
[20:28] <Tscheesy> apachelogger : i do remember the strange "Row" Setting in Compiz - is there lsb on this ?
[20:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: thta
[20:28]  * a|wen tries again
[20:29] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: lsb?
[20:29] <Tscheesy> some common linux-wide definition - because it seems its handled different
[20:30] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ok, I blame gnome ... if I replace metacity with kwin all works fine, I can change the KDE desktop setting and gnome instantly applies the changes and draws the desktops ... if I start kwin to begin with, gnome will show the configured desktops in the pager, but they will not be drawn ... if I start kwin to begin with, then replace it with metacity the desktops get drawn, if then I replace it with kwin again it will
[20:30] <apachelogger>  again
[20:30] <a|wen> apachelogger: that is kind of the good question ... after logging in kdm/gdm should not have any significance; only the window manager and xserver should be in charge there
[20:31] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: that would be in fdo really ;-) ... not sure though, in any case metacity in kde and kwin in gnome should work mostly fine regarding the virtual desktop stuff ... well, except for that issue I am investigating right now ;-)
[20:31] <apachelogger> a|wen: *nod* I am not even sure how to continue on that bug
[20:32] <apachelogger> maybe xorg log, kdm log and xession-errors would help
[20:32] <Tscheesy> i remarked this by altering the windows-manager in compiz . it is handled there very complicated in my eyes
[20:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: that would at least give us a chance of finding something ... and maybe figure out if the keyboard problem is present if he just starts kde (before he tries to replace with compiz) or only after/if he tries the replace
[20:38] <nixternal> ryanakca: sometime next week good for doing the documentation for the website you think? I would like to have it live for release day...starting on it next week will allow me to take care of some of the bugs being reported on the docs right now
[20:39] <nixternal> I will create a script that will parse what I need into HTML and create the necessary files...do you want HTML or PHP or?
[20:42] <Quintasan> night guys
[20:43] <a|wen> night Quintasan
[20:43]  * a|wen will leave for tonight as well
[20:48] <serenity> hi
[20:49] <serenity> i just upgraded to jaunty and take my 'old' settings with me. Fonts now appear skinny. Known bug?
[20:51] <serenity> mgraesslin told me, that Qt 4.5 may cause this behaviour
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 291873 I am quite sure this stuff is coming from a low-level package and is shared across all appearances of timezones in KDE (maybe even the base stack)
[20:59] <apachelogger> serenity: you really gotta ask launchpad that question :)
[21:12] <apachelogger> smarter: bug 234074
[21:13] <smarter> apachelogger: known upstream, worked a bit with ossi to fix it but nothing came out of it, I'll add a link to the upstream bug report
[21:13] <apachelogger> smarter: also assign it an importance please :)
[21:13] <smarter> medium?
[21:13] <apachelogger> up to you
[21:13] <apachelogger> I consider it low :P
[21:14] <apachelogger> then again I am not in accessibility hunter mode right now
[21:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still think kickoff favorites should be in kickoffrc rather than a patch
[21:14] <apachelogger> espcially when I look at the patch count in workspace
[21:16] <smarter> can't change the bug status, and don't really want to assign myself to it since I probably won't fix it :p
[21:16] <smarter> anyway, 'night
[21:17] <apachelogger> nini
[21:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[21:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142304/
[21:17] <apachelogger> needs to go into startkde
[21:17] <apachelogger> after
[21:17] <apachelogger>    unset KLOCALE_LANGUAGES
[21:17] <apachelogger>  fi
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> will that fix kdm localization?
[21:18] <apachelogger> nah
[21:18] <apachelogger> country setting within KDE itself
[21:18] <apachelogger> bug 224461
[21:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I did some QA but you really want to give it another sanity check, I did that while we worked on 4.2.0 IIRC, so I might have missed some test case
[21:19] <apachelogger> but it really needs to get in
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> Post it in the bug and assign it to me
[21:19] <apachelogger> without it the desktop is not _really_ localized
[21:19] <apachelogger> just translated
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> I have a few other things that need to go in too
[21:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: delegate to someone else, if you feel that you don't have time + target 9.04
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> It's funny, without you around as much I've taken over your job of fixing all the little file conflicts and such :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> ^_^
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> on the plus side it's helped my upload count
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> but not by much since we're better about not doing one release per change now that we use bzr
[21:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, it might make sense to check kdeglobals for "Country=" in that if, that way the goodness should also get exposed to $updates
[21:22] <apachelogger> just poped into my mind :D
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> you could either be misspelling popped or pooped, I hope it's the former :P
[21:23] <apachelogger> mindpoo
[21:23] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:24]  * JontheEchidna goes to close fix committed bugs for 4.2.2 now that it's uploaded
[21:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142308/ some changelog text, in case you need it ;-)
[21:31] <maco> can one of you install the "fluffy bunny" theme from get hot new stuff and tell me if it looks jacked up?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> it probably is. If I recall correctly it was made for KDE 4.0.x and hasn't been updated in forever
[21:33] <maco> the little popouts for stretching and rotating plasmoids looks fne
[21:33] <maco> the others....omg 1997 repeating gif backgrounds on websites!
[21:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: triaged, critical, assigned, milestoned
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: k, thanks ^_^
[21:33] <maco> http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~mac/files/fluffy_bunny.png
[21:33] <apachelogger> uh
[21:34] <apachelogger> 152 bugs
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> the theming spec changed quite a bit since that theme was made :(
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> for the better, of course, but old themes suffer
[21:36] <apachelogger> man
[21:36] <apachelogger> bug 244088
[21:36] <apachelogger> now kwin uses the shortcut for the magic composé thingy
[21:39] <seele> nixternal: you said you were disappointed in this year's April 1 jokes?
[21:40] <seele> nixternal: http://www.nin.com/pub/strobelight/ (also click submit to see the next page)
[21:40] <nixternal> I was because I was seeing all of the same ones that have been going on since 1994
[21:40] <nixternal> hehe ya saw that
[21:41]  * seele <3s trent
[21:42] <josh-l> hey folks, something strange is happening when i try to send stuff to trash via dolphin... it pops up a little notification window, and takes a very long time to move to trash, this happened after I logged into a ftp site via dolphin... help?
[21:45] <apachelogger> josh-l: #kubuntu for support please
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, did you know that dotancohen actually found a translation bug that was an *upstream* translation bug?
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> KDE 1, Rosetta: > 9,000
[21:47] <apachelogger> lulz
[21:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what to do with bug 301338
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually I saw a comment on a blog today pertaining to that very issue
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> apparently klipper also has a bunch of qtimers that could cause 1 wakeup even if there is no polling
[21:49] <apachelogger> upstreaming I say
[21:49] <apachelogger> at times klipper causes more wakeups than plasma :S
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> http://dimsuz.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/klipper-updates/
[21:51] <seele> nixternal: here is another one: http://www.saveie6.com/index.php
[21:54] <nixternal> Unfortunately some of your answers were incompatible with proper IE6 usage which means that we weren’t able to provide you with a download link.
[21:54] <nixternal> Please try again, it will be worth it!
[21:54] <nixternal> hahahaha, that is what you get when you answer the questions on the download link :)
[21:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 304488 ... X?
[21:58] <seele> hmm.. the HoF page is confusing. how do you get a list of past HoFers?
[22:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: bug 285172 if you want to
[22:12] <apachelogger> pretty easy fix
[22:13] <apachelogger> whom do we poke with bug 288502
[22:14]  * apachelogger is pretty clueless on that one, but thinks it all roots in Qt rather than KDE
[22:17] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3100422.0 developer says: don't take notes about such a crappy bug report, that makes me wanna close it without even thinking about it
[22:18] <claydoh> hi apachelogger
[22:18] <apachelogger> hoy, indeed
[22:24] <claydoh> apachelogger:  wadda ya want me to do about that thread? <g>
[22:24] <apachelogger> I dunno
[22:24]  * apachelogger is commenting on that bug now
[22:24] <apachelogger> explaining how not to do a bug report
[22:24] <apachelogger> claydoh: see last post in the forum thread
[22:25] <apachelogger> maybe you should note that this is not anything like a useful bug report
[22:25] <claydoh> lol and I thought it would be the post that says a kubuntu dev will fix the oo.0 bug :)
[22:27]  * apachelogger does not even know what the issue is
[22:27] <apachelogger> and I am so not going to read the whole thread having a dude sitting around who knows all about it already
[22:28] <claydoh> the thread is from december, probably forgotten I bet
[22:33] <apachelogger> but I am supposed to support stuff that got released in october? :P
[22:43] <apachelogger> hm
[22:44] <apachelogger> claydoh: mind reading my comment beforehand?
[22:44]  * apachelogger might have been to harsh
[22:44] <claydoh> I was nice about  it
[22:44] <claydoh> ooh didn't see you
[22:45] <claydoh> sure i'll read it, wherever it is :)
[22:45]  * claydoh is in a good mood today, despite having been at work  :)
[22:46]  * claydoh feeds the dogs....
[22:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142363/
[22:48] <apachelogger> that said ...
[22:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: how did the re-certifications go?
[22:50] <claydoh> apachelogger: we scored a 90.5%, needed a 90% :)
[22:51] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:51] <claydoh> we were the first restaurant the tester has seen get a 100% on the customer service section w00t
[22:52] <apachelogger> claydoh: hehe, congrats :)
[22:52]  * apachelogger notes: claydoh knows what customers want
[22:53] <claydoh> apachelogger: heh harsh? mayb a little  bit...
[22:53] <claydoh> apachelogger: thanks!
[22:53]  * apachelogger better doesn't post it then :P
[22:54] <claydoh> I already did, much more , um, polite :P
[22:54] <freinhard> hooray, 4.2.2 :)
[22:54] <claydoh> but I love what you wrote, though
[22:54] <claydoh> its awesome
[22:55] <apachelogger> claydoh: hm, that was already polite ... usually I have a strong urge to beat someone up for such reports :P
[22:56] <apachelogger> thx for commenting though :)
[22:56] <claydoh> apachelogger: sometimes a hammer is necessary
[22:57] <claydoh> my kubuntuforums users are not that savvy about the ways of bugs, irc, and other woderfull things :)
[22:57] <claydoh> s/wonderful/woderful
[22:58] <apachelogger> education is clearly necessary
[22:58] <claydoh> I agree
[22:58]  * apachelogger is wondering where vorian is all day long
[22:58] <apachelogger> miss him I clearly do
[22:59] <vorian> apachelogger: /me was working
[22:59] <vorian> just got home :)
[22:59] <apachelogger> uh
[22:59] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:59]  * apachelogger hugs vorian
[22:59]  * vorian hugs apachelogger
[22:59] <apachelogger> claydoh: btw, how is kubuntu-users ml doing?
[22:59] <apachelogger> vorian: I heared you are uber awesome coordination dood?
[22:59] <josh-l> hey folks, something strange is happening when i try to send stuff to trash via dolphin... it pops up a little notification window, and takes a very long time to move to trash, this happened after I logged into a ftp site via dolphin... help? running jaunty
[23:00] <josh-l> apachelogger: this is on jaunty
[23:00] <vorian> apachelogger: not so much, my server kept dying, and I kept having to $WORK
[23:00] <apachelogger> josh-l: #ubuntu+1 then
[23:00] <josh-l> ok
[23:01] <apachelogger> vorian: hehe, now you know how that is not fun at all :P
[23:01] <vorian> ++
[23:01] <apachelogger> anyone able to reproduce 317048
[23:01] <claydoh> apachelogger: not  bad, usually. Just the occaisional studpid long thread "helping" steven vollum with commandline stuff more easily done with a noob friendly gui tools
[23:01] <apachelogger> bug 317048
[23:01]  * vorian is gonna blast Rosetta on the planet
[23:02] <apachelogger> on?
[23:02] <vorian> freaking import emails
[23:02] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:02] <apachelogger> vorian: filter em'
[23:02] <apachelogger> I filter success mails
[23:02] <apachelogger> it's not like I care
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> I blackhole everything, because I wouldn't know how to fix them anyways
[23:03] <apachelogger> claydoh: yah, that dood is aweomse ;-)
[23:03] <claydoh> one day he will be a guru
[23:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: => uds => ask lp doods => whine at lp doods => come home => get cookie
[23:04] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, otherwise the amount of help he requires would be waste of resource
[23:04] <apachelogger> then again that applies to most of floss support
[23:05] <apachelogger> hm
[23:05]  * claydoh is just happy the anti-kde4 crowd has been shut up
[23:05] <apachelogger> is it me, or is lp broken :S
[23:06] <freinhard> lp says it's down for scheduled maintenance
[23:06] <freinhard> 22:00-23:00 UTC
[23:06] <josh-l> my problem only happens when i try to move to trash, not when i delete files
[23:07] <apachelogger> oh
[23:07] <apachelogger> meh
[23:07] <freinhard> just saw not 1hour down, but 3
[23:07] <freinhard> o_O
[23:07]  * apachelogger notes that lp is _always_ down when he is on a triage march
[23:07] <freinhard> http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-update-april-1st-maintenance-window-increased-to-3-hours
[23:08] <apachelogger> josh-l: are you deleting from ftp?
[23:08] <josh-l> apachelogger: no no longer connected, i've even shutdown the machine since... i was connected yesterday
[23:08] <apachelogger> josh-l: define "very long time"
[23:10] <josh-l> apachelogger: well first of all noticably longer than before when i moved to trash, and noticably longer than when i simply delete (from menu) (delete using delete key takes as long) it takes a good 2 minutes for whatever file to disappear from directory
[23:10] <apachelogger> that is long indeed
[23:10] <apachelogger> no clue what the problem could be though
[23:10] <apachelogger> josh-l: try #kde
[23:10] <josh-l> ok thx
[23:10] <apachelogger> not kubuntu related IMO
[23:12] <josh-l> true
[23:23] <josh-l> apachelogger: any idea how i can check what command is being run when i try to send something to trash?
[23:26] <apachelogger> josh-l: kioclient move 'url' trash:/
[23:26] <apachelogger> though it is probably done via libs rather than this binary
[23:28] <josh-l> apachelogger: I get this... does this mean anything to you:
[23:29] <josh-l> <unknown program name>(28923)/ ClientApp::doIt: Creating ClientApp
[23:29] <josh-l> kioclient(28923) KSharedUiServerProxy::KSharedUiServerProxy: kuiserver registered
[23:29] <josh-l> oops longer than i meant


[01:02] <terabyte> Hey, I'm confused about .deb package signatures. Having just built a .deb file, I was expecting to look inside and find a signature file, instead I have a .changes file in addition to my .deb file which contains a signature. Have I missed something or is there no way to have a single signed .deb file? Tools used to sign are (choice of either: dpkg-sig, debsig-verify)
[01:04] <terabyte> Looking around I see that debsigs is used to sign .deb files and contain the signature inside the file, is it the case then that I should use debsigs and that the other two tools are not designed to sign the packages themselves?
[01:04] <sarnold> terabyte: afaik there's no equivalent to rpm's signatures-on-packages
[01:05] <terabyte> hmm
[01:05] <sarnold> terabyte: I think the signed .changes files are strictly for admitting packages into the builders
[01:05] <sarnold> terabyte: .. and then the apt hashes in repositories are used for distributing packages back to machines
[01:06] <terabyte> ok
[02:24] <seph> i'm just learning nginx for the first time so i'm trying to document how i would want to configure the web server for security/optimization. can anyone briefly review the relevant sections on this doc? just the letsencrypt and nginx related sections. thank you! ^_^ https://www.razorbelle.com/public/text/initial_server_config_NGINX.txt
[02:31] <sarnold> seph: seems sane
[02:31] <sarnold> seph: you know you're just a few steps away from a full automation.. puppet or chef or ansible or salt or whatever you dislike the least :)
[02:32] <seph> im not familiar with those
[02:36] <seph> do you have a recommendation among those choices?
[02:36] <sarnold> seph: basically you'd write recipes or playbooks or whatever they call them, and then deploy them to servers, where they'd run and configure things asy ou wish
[02:37] <sarnold> seph: not really, they've all made staggeringly stupid mistakes, and all have their own proponents who like them for various reasons.. :)
[02:37] <seph> ok
[02:37] <seph> so i will trust doing it by hand
[02:37] <seph> especially since this is specifically for security
[02:37] <sarnold> fair enough, after all that's mostly how I manage my few machines :)
[02:37] <sarnold> but just keep in mind when you've copy-pasted these and filled in *username* a few too many times, that you can automate automate automate
[02:38] <seph> yeah
[02:38] <seph> i have 7x vps, but most are just basic apache web servers
[02:38] <seph> this one i want to be more secure and fast
[02:38] <sarnold> you can even automate 'give me new machines running foo, bar, baz, and hook them all together" https://jujucharms.com/
[02:38] <seph> yeah
[02:39] <seph> i broke nginx a few times so i spun up a new vps just to play and test things
[02:39] <seph> going to reformat and follow my own guide
[02:39] <sarnold> :)
[02:39] <seph> see if it works and gets a+ ssl
[04:28] <thmbssfruit> why remotely (from internet) my servernot accept ssh? connections but in my lan yes
[04:45] <iDanoo> Probably portforwarding thmbssfruit
[04:45] <iDanoo> From the internet what IP are you trying to connect to?
[04:47] <thmbssfruit> iDanoo
[04:47] <thmbssfruit> assk me user and password
[04:47] <thmbssfruit> i think isnt a portforwarding
[04:47] <iDanoo> Oh okay
[04:47] <thmbssfruit> ssay me access denied
[04:47] <thmbssfruit> why?/
[04:48] <iDanoo> If you check your sshd_config under /etc/ssh/sshd_config, there may be a line labelled #ListenAddress
[04:48] <iDanoo> you need to make sure that is set to <IP_ADDRESS>, or commented out should work
[04:48] <thmbssfruit> wait
[04:49] <thmbssfruit> with nano how to find a string?
[04:49] <iDanoo> ctrl+w I believe
[04:49] <iDanoo> Otherwise you can try run 'sudo netstat -nlp | grep 22' and paste the line it outputs :)
[04:49] <iDanoo> wait
[04:49] <iDanoo> No I'm wrong sorry.
[04:49] <iDanoo> You said it was hitting authentication
[04:50] <thmbssfruit> was commented
[04:50] <thmbssfruit> enabled and then:
[04:50] <thmbssfruit> : /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[04:50] <iDanoo> If you're hitting the user:pass it shouldn't make much difference though
[04:50] <thmbssfruit> try and
[04:50] <iDanoo> but you can always try that
[04:50] <thmbssfruit> again access denied
[04:50] <thmbssfruit> :(
[04:51] <iDanoo> How are you testing this?
[04:51] <iDanoo> Are you just trying to use your public IP from inside the LAN?
[04:51] <thmbssfruit> yes
[04:51] <thmbssfruit> inside the lan i can connect
[04:51] <iDanoo> can you try in the commandline
[04:51] <iDanoo> curl <publicip>
[04:51] <thmbssfruit> in client?
[04:52] <thmbssfruit> or server?
[04:52] <iDanoo> just do that on the client :)
[04:52] <iDanoo> I have a feeling it's hitting your routers SSH server instead of your one.
[04:52] <thmbssfruit> iDanoo i am on windows pc
[04:53] <thmbssfruit> http://pastebin.com/NKEgV3qT
[04:53] <thmbssfruit> see please
[04:53] <iDanoo> Yeah, it doesn't look like it's hitting your ssh server and failing.
[04:53] <iDanoo> It looks like it's hitting your router/modem instead.
[04:54] <iDanoo> Some have a setting with portforwarding like "LAN Loopback".
[04:54] <thmbssfruit> you know about fortigate?
[04:54] <iDanoo> I don't sorry
[04:54] <iDanoo> But I would assume it's not actually a server problem.
[04:54] <iDanoo> If you tried from a different network - it will probably let you log in
[04:55] <thmbssfruit> outside?
[04:55] <iDanoo> Yeah a different internet connection.
[04:55] <iDanoo> You could even try from your phone, and turn off wifi for example.
[04:56] <thmbssfruit> ok
[09:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[14:42] <ElinKattunge> Hi
[14:43] <ElinKattunge> Does anyone have trouble with mosh sessions stayings open for eternity on your servers?
[14:44] <ElinKattunge> The max login should've been 2 sessions, but I had to hire it for a customer because I couldn't kill their mosh sessions. I've used skill -KILL -u <username>, I've used skill -KILL -v /dev/pts/x (where x is a number)
[14:44] <andol> ElinKattunge: Isn't that the expected/unavoidable behavior when you have unclean client shutdowns?
[14:44] <ElinKattunge> I've also tried using pkill and kill to kill the mosh processes on their user with no sucess
[14:44] <ElinKattunge> andol: Yes
[14:45] <ElinKattunge> the user is on a very unstable HP chromebook
[14:45] <ElinKattunge> where the wifi drops out a lot
[14:46] <ElinKattunge> andol: who claims they are logged in tho
[14:47] <ElinKattunge> andol: Reboots usually clear problems up, but it's not a solution
[14:47] <ElinKattunge> This is a server, it must stay up!
[14:48] <andol> Perhaps do something where you sort mosh-server processes per UID, and only allow the N most recent, killing the older ones?
[14:51] <ElinKattunge> andol: Do you have a solution on how to implement that?
[14:53] <andol> You could write a shell script, and loop over the following ps command
[14:53] <andol> ps --no-headers --sort=start_time -C mosh-server -o user,pid
[14:54] <andol> Or some version of it
[14:54] <ElinKattunge> andol: I also found something weird
[14:55] <ElinKattunge> On one system SFTP reported to the customer "Message too long", which I know is to do with long echo statements in bashrc and profile
[14:56] <ElinKattunge> and it was vague to me, it wasn't explaining a problem at all, so I SFTPed into that user, on my own system and it said what I expected which was max logins exceeded for that user, so I highered the security limits and it fixed both errors...
[14:57] <ElinKattunge> I was banging out head hard on the desk, because that first error message just simply made no sense to me.
[14:58] <andol> Well, I think the original error message is more about *any* echo statement leaking into sftp, rather than a too long one.
[14:58] <ElinKattunge> I just came in here for a sysadmin to sysadmin chat on things, you know? Broaden my insight on things!
[14:58] <ElinKattunge> andol: I disagree
[14:58] <ElinKattunge> I login successfully via SFTP all the time as long as the echo statements aren't too long
[15:00] <andol> Ok, I might very well be wrong on that account then.
[15:04] <ElinKattunge> andol: The error has confused me too at times
[15:06] <andol> Except that I suspect that I'm right after all :-) Putting the following in my ~/.bashrc was enough to trigger the too long
[15:06] <andol> echo "hello"
[15:06] <andol> Perhaps you have something like this in your ~/.bashrc, and had your echo afterwards?
[15:06] <andol> [ -z "$PS1" ] && return
[15:11] <ElinKattunge> andol: Well, no
[15:12] <ElinKattunge> again, I don't understand why the error was thrown on my customers computer
[15:12] <ElinKattunge> yet a different error on mine
[15:13] <ElinKattunge> The error appearing on my friends computer was all to do with echo statements, there are non on that account, but on my system the error was about the maximum number of logins exceeded and the second error made perfect sense to me (I know my systems), so I highered the login limit and it cleared both errors.
[15:13] <ElinKattunge> So there are things about the first error which aren't documented, or it was triggered by a fluke
[15:14] <ElinKattunge> andol: Most accounts on this server just hold PHP scripts and webspace, nothing more.
[15:28] <ElinKattunge> Capprentice: Are you an Apprentice?
[15:28] <Capprentice> Yes. Curious Apprentice.
[15:28] <Capprentice> ;)
[15:28] <ElinKattunge> Capprentice: Good, doesn't what, I hope you are enjoying it!
[15:28] <ElinKattunge> *doing
[15:28] <Capprentice> Yep!
[15:29] <Capprentice> Have you ever set up a squid cachhe in bridge mode? Im trying to do that! Feeling frustrated...
[15:32] <ElinKattunge> Capprentice: Recently, I set a squid proxy with, 8 privoxy proxies sitting behind it as slaves
[15:32] <Capprentice> With Tproxy?
[15:32] <ElinKattunge> If T means transparent then no, however I have set transparent ones up in the past
[15:33] <ElinKattunge> Capprentice: Is this part of your learning on the job?
[15:33] <Capprentice> yes.
[15:33] <ElinKattunge> hmm
[15:33] <ElinKattunge> Well, I am self taught since 2007, been ill for 5 year and waiting to hit a job myself
[15:35] <ElinKattunge> I was about to tell them that there is a squid channels for that which might help them better!


[04:10] <kbmonkey> morning early birds
[04:24] <kbmonkey> hi all, so I got this new DSL router. Apparently it also acts as a network hub, the manual doesn't help much.
[04:24] <kbmonkey> has anyone networked with one before? it's a Belkin router
[04:53] <superfly> morning kbmonkey
[04:54] <superfly> kbmonkey: most of them are router/switches, you plug your pc into it, it has dhcp and gives your machine an IP address, and then you can access it's web interface via it's ip address (I think it's usually either <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>)
[04:56] <kbmonkey> hi superfly :)
[04:57] <kbmonkey> yes i can manage the router via the web interface, it is set to allow local networking by default
[04:58] <kbmonkey> i have enabled remote desktop on pc A, and I can ping it too. but directvnc says it can't resolve host. strange
[05:00] <superfly> kbmonkey: uh, remote desktop and vnc?


[01:45] <Ursinha> easter_egg, /j #ubuntu-br
[09:34] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am unable to revoke an old public pgp key which is attached to my profile?
[12:22] <bartbes> hello
[12:22] <bartbes> I'll just ask away
[12:23]  * crk waits for bartbes to ask
[12:23] <bartbes> I have recently added an imported branch to lp, and it can't seem to import it from hg
[12:23] <bartbes> when checking the log it seems the error is internal though
[12:23] <bartbes> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50536502/bartbes-love-trunk.log
[12:23] <bartbes> so, what have I done wrong?
[12:31] <bartbes> crk: I provided you with a question, will you provide me with an answer?
[12:31] <crk> :)
[12:31] <crk> actually bartbes ... i never claimed to be able to answer it
[12:31] <crk> I am new here too
[12:31] <bartbes> in that case I'll just have to wait
[12:31] <crk> yeah... unfortunattely
[12:41] <nigelb> bartbes: ouch, something is seriously wrong there.  you're not supposed to see those tracebacks, you should be seeing OOPS
[12:41]  * nigelb wonders who's the help contact for today
[12:41] <bartbes> I figured there was something wrong :P
[13:02] <jaalto> Where is the EMAIL interface maual for manipulating bugs in launcpad?
[13:03] <bartbes> nigelb: so is there anything I can do?
[13:12] <wgrant> jaalto: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[13:12] <nigelb> bartbes: wait perhaps
[13:12] <nigelb> wgrant: any clue of bartbes problem?
[13:13] <bullgard4> Bug #595912 I cannot log out! "Please try again; Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. Thanks for your patience." »A minute or two« is an euphemism.
[13:32] <bullgard4> Bug #595920 I cannot log out! "Please try again; Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. Thanks for your patience." »A minute or two« is an euphemism.
[13:59] <bartbes> so, who is the help contact today?
[14:17] <maxb> bartbes: I would say that this appears to be a problem with bzr-hg. (i.e. it is not specific to the launchpad import infrastructure)
[14:17] <bartbes> so, what alternatives do I have?
[14:18] <maxb> Search for / File a bug in the bzr-hg bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-hg)
[14:19] <bartbes> I will, thanks for the help
[14:20] <bartbes> but wait
[14:20] <bartbes> maxb: isn't it trying to connect to lp?
[14:22] <maxb> ?
[14:22] <jelmer_> bartbes, maxb: That looks like a server side error to me
[14:23] <maxb> jelmer_: Yes, but bzr branch fails where hg clone on the same URL works
[14:23] <bartbes> but it fails to connect to lp, not when cloning the repo
[14:23] <jelmer_> bartbes: I'm not sure I follow, the import process doesn't connect to lp at all
[14:23] <bartbes> well it seems to suggest as much
[14:24] <bartbes> I mean "Getting exising bzr branch from central store."
[14:24] <bartbes> the hg repo has no existing bzr branch
[15:08] <alf__> Hi all! Can anyone think of a reason why uploading (with dput) a large .orig.tar.gz (~130M) to a PPA hangs at the end?
[15:09] <bigjools> alf__: it's a known bug in the Zope FTP server
[15:09] <bigjools> can you try the new sftp service instead?
[15:10] <alf__> bigjools: Sure, how do I do that?
[15:10] <bigjools> in your dput.cf set method=sftp
[15:10] <bdrung_> would it be possible to have a PPA for Debian?
[15:10] <bigjools> and login = <your lp account name>
[15:10] <bigjools> bdrung_: no that is not supported
[15:10] <alf__> bigjools: Thanks, I 'll try that!
[15:11] <jpds> alf__: bug #251685.
[15:12] <bdrung_> bigjools: i know that it's currently not supported, but would it be possible in the future?
[15:18] <bigjools> bdrung_: it's unlikely to happen
[15:19] <bigjools> the only possible scenario is for successful builds on Ubuntu to also be tried on Debian
[15:19] <bdrung_> bigjools: would it make sense to open a wishlist bug report?
[15:19] <bigjools> but not Debian PPAs on their own
[15:19] <bigjools> bdrung_: there already is one
[15:20] <bdrung_> bigjools: there are more use cases: daily builds for debian, backports, etc.
[15:21] <bigjools> we can't justify the cost of building for Debian unfortunately
[15:40] <EdwinGrubbs> deryck, allenap, adeuring: could one of you respond to the feedback email regarding the Kernel bugtracker not being able to update the status on bug 16165?
[15:41] <deryck> EdwinGrubbs, maybe gmb could respond to that.
[15:42] <allenap> EdwinGrubbs: I've rotated to Landscape for 6 months, so I'll leave that to the others and hope they won't resent me for it :)
[15:42]  * gmb looks
[15:42]  * gmb hates at allenap
[15:42] <gmb> (j/k)
[15:45] <gmb> deryck, Ah, I think this is the we-don't-check-things-that-haven't-changed problem. I'll respond.
[20:51] <bjf> is there a code update in progress on the staging service?
[22:37] <directhex> how do i get ahold of the attachments mentioned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+bug/538796 ?
[22:42] <nhandler> directhex: What attachment? The .crash file that Micah deleted? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+bug/538796/comments/16
[22:43] <directhex> oh. damn, i was reading the activity log in the wrong order
[22:43] <directhex> ah well, makes upstream's life easier if there's no evidence of a problem


 ive found dekko to be pretty good and generally working just fine
 its one of the better ubports apps IMO
[02:34] <ubptgbot> Armankoiek was added by: Armankoiek
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 @flatboard [Dekko is really well done, but it does not have all the standards to add other m …], Hm, I do have 5 accounts manually set up. All fine. Pop3 I think does not work. You need to use IMAP. (Note to myself: That should be tested on app side, need ro double check later).
 I don't know if dekko can detect email settings because I need to type mine even on evolution or thunderbid.
 If you do have 2fa activated for an accout, you need to set up an app password for your device.
 [Edit] If you do have 2fa activated for an account, you need to set up an app password for your device.
[05:41] <cc> question:if my ubtouch iphone and my computer in the same WIFI,i can use ssh connect to ubtouch;
[05:41] <cc> but if they were not in the same net,it cant connect
[05:41] <cc> why?
[07:45] <ubptgbot> xxberkay was added by: xxberkay
[09:39] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Are there any differences between Halium 7 and Halium 9 devices for the end user? In performance or features?
 @cc [but if they were not in the same net,it cant connect], Are they connected in any way?
 @Boris Mihailov [Are there any differences between Halium 7 and Halium 9 devices for the end user …], You could only compare a device which came with Android 7.1 and got an upgrade to 9 later. Idk such a device atm
 None of those we are porting I mean
[09:57] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Well didn't the X got the oem stuff for 9 as well?
[09:57] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Or in that case I can look into the spare essential ph1 at home
 I think the main difference can be fingerprint support on Halium 9, but someone attempted to backport that for 7 as well
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Got it
 @NotKit [I think the main difference can be fingerprint support on Halium 9, but someone …], Thats me. Fingerprint registeration hangs still, but it looks promising. Erfan did this ^^
 well recently i came through ECG sata as rsubstitute to biometric
 Hi everybody. tell this firmware your application store or is there a gapss? and is there any gpay support?
 @☆SHADOW☆ [Hi everybody. tell this firmware your application store or is there a gapss? and …], There is OpenStore https://open-store.io/ for our apps. And there is no support for any Google services.
 @dohbee [nah, i just want to complain :P], Damn
 @Danfro [There is OpenStore https://open-store.io/ for our apps. And there is no support …], I understood. Thank you so much. currently installed Android 11 gsi, on the device Samsung Galaxy J7. I want to try to install this firmware
 @☆SHADOW☆ [I understood. Thank you so much. currently installed Android 11 gsi, on the devi …], Here you can find witch device is supported for Ubuntu Touch https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @☆SHADOW☆ [I understood. Thank you so much. currently installed Android 11 gsi, on the devi …], Outside of the above list devices need to be ported
 😁 Isn't teamwork nice? Three of us filling in the gaps.
 Haha true xD
 Ubuntu Touch is an separate OS, not compatible with Android. Every phone needs its own adaption due to its 'unique' hardware. Not as standardized as hime vomputrs.
[11:12] <ubptgbot> kalube was added by: kalube
 Hime vom Putrs the standardizer
 Oh welcome Caleb
 [Edit] Ubuntu Touch is an separate OS, not compatible with Android. Every phone needs its own adaption due to its 'unique' hardware. Not as standardized as home computers.
 @Fuseteam [Hime vom Putrs the standardizer], Bah. 😝 Corrected. 😉
 🤣🤣🤣
 feel like we could use that name somewhere 🤣
 @Flohack [Thats me. Fingerprint registeration hangs still, but it looks promising. Erfan d …], fingerprint on the Xperia X would be cool … I've been using the camera button to wake up the screen 😅  … I think I was traumatized by the Nexus 5 power button 😂
 @Fuseteam [feel like we could use that name somewhere 🤣], 😁 We should tell a story and create a comic book. 😅
 does push notification still work for OTA?
 I am writing this message from my newly flashed Xperia X. Impressive firmware! Everything seems to work out of the box, at least everything what i was used to from my N5. Thank you so much for your endless support, i know it must be daunting.... The problem was finally solved when i updated my ubuntu machine to 20.04 (openjdk dependency for xp
[12:21] <ubptgbot> eria flashtool) reflashing the stock firmware and finally installing with the newly released ubports installer 5.6beta..... Very conviniant no problems this time :-). Cheers to everybody!
 Whats the difference between the community channel and the arm64 channel when flashing an Xperia X?
 @dave1152000 [Whats the difference between the community channel and the arm64 channel when fl …], Community channel is 32bit. The others are 64bit.
 @CW [I am writing this message from my newly flashed Xperia X. Impressive firmware! E …], Cool. That's great to hear. Have fun!
 @CW [I am writing this message from my newly flashed Xperia X. Impressive firmware! E …], 🍓🍓🍓
 @Danfro [😁 We should tell a story and create a comic book. 😅], mayyybe 🤣🤣🤣
 @Danfro [Community channel is 32bit. The others are 64bit.], So as Xperia X is 64bit is it better to go for one of the 64bit options and why is there a 32bit option?
[13:51] <ubptgbot> Arunnidhi Manimaran was added by: Arunnidhi Manimaran
 @dave1152000 [So as Xperia X is 64bit is it better to go for one of the 64bit options and why …], Because you can use both with Xperia X. Not all apps are available as 64bit version yet. I am still using 32bit, but that is devel channel. Stable is only available as 64bit. So it is up to you.
 yeah it depends if you use apps that are not yet available for arm64 … some apps like Ubsync, Instagraph has no arm64 yet
 have any news for anbox right now?
[14:29] <ubptgbot> Roujin13 was added by: Roujin13
 hi everyone I would like I would like to install ubport on my Nexus 5X ... knowing that the official version is not proposed the method may be different
 there isn't a working port for 5x
 Ok thank you
[15:05] <ubptgbot> <Tom Krol> w
 is there a 1MB limit for images in the forum? … It's always getting an error....
[15:41] <ubptgbot> msrtarit was added by: msrtarit
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 finally got to see the menu in action 😄
 it's under the launcher though 😅
 @Javacookies [<reply to media>], AAAAAAAAAAA 😍
 Is this in the openstore version of the app?
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/QaWGxUt0.png
 app menu works well
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Is this in the openstore version of the app?], no this is the desktop version 2048-qt
 I installed it directly in the root so it runs natively instead of xmir
 i miss the old qml one
 which one? for UT?
 there's 8192 which still works well
 Oh, fair enough, I hope more apps add the menu soon, I wanna see how well it works in mobile mode to!
 that's what I'll test next..later when I unplugged my nexus 5
 I've been trying to add it to my apps just to try it out but it just gives errors
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/uRemybVh.png
 teleports isn't usable on a monitor anymore...I guess because of the fixes made for the pinephone
 I mean it's usable but doesn't lookd good
 @Javacookies [I mean it's usable but doesn't lookd good], I don't think the text is big enough
 @Javacookies [I've been trying to add it to my apps just to try it out but it just gives error …], I cant wait until your trails become successes!!!
 I'm just happy that my slimport adapter and Nexus 5 became friends again and it's actually pretty reliable now. No disconnection or whatsoever on my monitor and plugging and unpluggin works almost all of the time 😄
 @Javacookies [<reply to media>], what app is that? and is the menu visible in staged mode?
 @Javacookies [teleports isn't usable on a monitor anymore...I guess because of the fixes made …], is that the same scale it would be on the phone?
 @Fuseteam [what app is that? and is the menu visible in staged mode?], in landscape it should be in the top panel on the left side, yes
 and depending on GU setting it will appear in portrait on phones too i guess
 i mean i have yet to see an app make use of the menu so far
 @Fuseteam [i mean i have yet to see an app make use of the menu so far], it should show for any legacy apps in libertine, which have menus
 generally, if you need a menu bar, then your app is probably approaching a level of complexity that is beyond responsive design useful on a phone :P
 @Fuseteam [what app is that? and is the menu visible in staged mode?], 2048-qt, installed in the root so running on mir  😄
 @dohbee [generally, if you need a menu bar, then your app is probably approaching a level …], maybe maybe not, i mean the menubar could take the function of the hamburger menu :p
 @Javacookies [2048-qt, installed in the root so running on mir  😄], niiice
 btw kugi do you have an arm64 ut device?
 @dohbee [is that the same scale it would be on the phone?], no, it's fine on the phone … I think it's really those apps that use qqc2 that don't use auto scaling that has this problem on external displays i.e. Authenticator and Seabass 2
 @Fuseteam [btw kugi do you have an arm64 ut device?], my xperia x
 nice imma pm you about something i found
 @Javacookies [no, it's fine on the phone … I think it's really those apps that use qqc2 that don …], probably an issue in qtubuntu then
 @dohbee [it should show for any legacy apps in libertine, which have menus], it doesn't seem to show in libertine apps though, I was expecting that too
 @dohbee [probably an issue in qtubuntu then], yeah, probably
 if my slimport continues to work, maybe my next contributions  and fixes would be related to external display support AKA "not convergence" 😆
[17:49] <ubptgbot> Akhil was added by: Akhil
[18:10] <ubptgbot> Thesadic was added by: Thesadic
 hello friends there is the Ubuntu rom for the wayne or mi 6x.
 @dohbee [generally, if you need a menu bar, then your app is probably approaching a level …], I kind of disagree. I feel like it'll be good for phone apps to put features and functions that would be too overwhelming putting into a proper UI in small form factor. Actually, what I have in mind is the HUD. I still think it's great for de
[18:20] <ubptgbot> sktop and can be great for mobile devices as well.
 @Javacookies [I kind of disagree. I feel like it'll be good for phone apps to put features and …], odd to say you disagree and then immediately follow with a sentence that is directly in agreement with what i said in the message you're replying to :P
 you are right 😆 … my bad, I misunderstood your message … What I got from what you said at first was that you think if an app has to use menu then it shouldn't be on phones 😅
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/7PGVZj3g.png
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 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/O1PW9lcR.png
 Here's how it looks on the phone
 definitely there's nothing in a 2048 app that should require menus though
 looks really simple right now but I think it works fine. Maybe the indicators should follow the same UI In windowed and staged mode.
 @dohbee [definitely there's nothing in a 2048 app that should require menus though], yeah but this was intended for desktops so it has them...I guess before, you have to have a menu even if it only has Quit/Exit 😂
[19:04] <ubptgbot> abmyii was added by: abmyii
 @Danfro [Because you can use both with Xperia X. Not all apps are available as 64bit vers …], Tried flashing a couple of the arm64 channels - all failed to install.
 @dave1152000 [Tried flashing a couple of the arm64 channels - all failed to install.], Hm. Should work. I know people who are on 64bit. But I did not try it myself, so I am afraid I can't give you much help here.
 @dave1152000 [Tried flashing a couple of the arm64 channels - all failed to install.], How did they fail, was there a special error message?
[20:32] <ubptgbot> srnafi was added by: srnafi
 @fredldotme [How did they fail, was there a special error message?], Icon Error Error 7
 @dave1152000 [Icon Error Error 7], The icon load error on the device can be ignored. Is there an error message in the installer though? You need to provide detailed information.
 latest version the 14 days Android 9 support? what does it mean?
 [Edit] latest version the 14 says Android 9 support? what does it mean?
 It includes fixes for the Volla Phone and other Android 9 devices
 So theorically we should be able to run gimp on pinephone ? https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1324799521205923842?s=20
[23:46] <ubptgbot> Fränk Hernández was added by: Fränk Hernández
[23:47] <ubptgbot> <Fränk Hernández> Hello. If I install Ubuntu Phone in a locked phone will the installation be able to unlock the phone?
[23:48] <ubptgbot> <Fränk Hernández> I want to use another carrier
 No, it won't break carrier lock
[23:51] <ubptgbot> <Fränk Hernández> :-/ Then I have a paperweight...
 @fredldotme [The icon load error on the device can be ignored. Is there an error message in t …], Stops at Recovery Screen in the Android log it says update failed, please reboot and start again No /cashe partition found
[23:59] <ubptgbot> <Fränk Hernández> ç


[00:51] <guiverc> !flavors
[01:04] <oerheks> guiverc, this new deepin edition, ubuntuDDE  ( nice part starts at 01:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVLs074AYk )
[01:04] <oerheks> very slick
[01:05] <guiverc> :) oerheks, my mind was blank & I was worried I'd missed an official flavor (UWN); deepin isn't official thus doesn't qualify, but thanks  (I'll look later)
[01:09] <oerheks> indeed, it is not official
[01:11] <guiverc> it looks very nice though oerheks (rather GNOMEish to me)
[01:11] <daftykins> that's that chinese one, right?
[01:11] <guiverc> they are highlighting Ubuntu too  (I think of Kylin as the chinese one daftykins)
[01:12] <daftykins> hrmm can't remember if it was elementary or deepin now
[01:13] <oerheks> now if that runs smoothly on wayland..
[01:15]  * daftykins coughs *pointless*
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:05] <Eickmeyer> Dangit, daftykins is gone.
[03:05] <Eickmeyer> There's an RT ticket opened for that.
[03:05] <Eickmeyer> (aka, I can't do anything about the TLS redirect on ubuntustudio.com)
[03:52] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: RE: TLS on ubuntustudio.org: Canonical owns the infra, we can only touch the WP frontend. There's an RT ticket opened by canonical-sysadmins for this. Nothing I can do at all.
[03:53] <daftykins> ah rightyo, they'll need to log into WP to regex replace all the resource links so it loads all images as https too, yeah
[03:53] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: Nope, can't even do that. That's all in the backend. We don't have access there.
[03:53] <daftykins> "they'll"
[03:53] <Eickmeyer> Oh... I hope so.
[03:53] <Eickmeyer> It's a big job no matter waht.
[03:54] <daftykins> not really :D i've done https moves for clients with wordpress sites, there are helper addons that make short work of things
[03:54] <daftykins> anywho glad to hear it's known \o/
[04:07] <Mr_Cyclops> Hey All. Looking for suggestions for Cloud Storage, I have around 900 gigs of them, Google Photos / Google Drive is way too confusing for me. In fact, I was looking for an application which I could use on  my local photos collection
[04:08] <Mr_Cyclops> My mail goal is to organize them, plus view them, thank you
[04:09] <daftykins> would make more sense to do that prior to upping to an online service
[04:10] <Mr_Cyclops> Well I used a lot of scripts I wrote (mostly exiftool), but then half of the photos have no metadata, and that's a problem to organize them. Plus would prefer an app I could use on my computer rather than an online service
[04:11] <daftykins> can you define what you mean by 'app' ? because Google Drive mostly just functions as a directory to throw stuff in these days
[04:11] <daftykins> much like every other cloud storage platform
[04:11] <Mr_Cyclops> It only gives me 15 GB, and I don't want to pay, especially since my data size is big
[04:12] <daftykins> you're going to need to pay _EVERY_ option to host 1TB online.
[04:12] <Mr_Cyclops> When I say app, I mean an application or a service I could run on my Ubuntu machine to organize and view my photos/videos ... For e.g Plex does that, but not good enough for a very large set of photos
[04:13] <Mr_Cyclops> daftykins, looks like you missed, I don't want to publish it online. Just on my home internal network, not on the web
[04:13] <daftykins> no you just didn't say that bit :D also you used the term 'cloud storage' which implied online
[04:13] <daftykins> i use nextcloud personally, it's great
[04:13] <Mr_Cyclops> Lol, sorry about that
[04:13] <Mr_Cyclops> :P
[04:14] <daftykins> tips though: do not use the snap and do not use their installer script
[04:14] <Mr_Cyclops> kk
[04:16] <JanC> for organizing lots of photos there are several desktop applications also...
[06:27] <ducasse> good morning
[09:05] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1
[09:06] <kostkon> omg..
[09:06] <daftykins> what?
[09:10] <kostkon> nothing in particular.. oh wait what's this. factoid still says 20.04
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> ubottu is updated but ubot5 not
[09:12] <kostkon> bring ubottu over here who needs ubot5
[09:13] <Ben64> !focal
[09:14] <Ben64> that one works
[09:14] <daftykins> kostkon: it's really not that important at all, don't stir drama
[09:14] <Ben64> drama? lol
[09:15] <Ben64> could always suggest a new factoid for it
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> i already asked pici to sync the bots
[09:16] <Ben64> !schedule-#ubuntu+1
[09:16] <Ben64> I think it's not a sync thing, just a "20.10 doesn't exist yet" thing
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> gorilla has already been added Ben64
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> query with ubottu
[09:18] <Ben64> oh, well it's not pulling from something properly
[09:18] <kostkon> daftykins, i joke no drama. a poor attempt at humour but i guess there's a thin line between the two
[09:19] <Ben64> on ubottu.com it has `<reply> $curDevelLong is the codename for Ubuntu $curDevelNum. For technical support, see #ubuntu+1. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.`
[09:19] <Ben64> so those variables aren't getting the right thing
[09:20] <daftykins> quick, hide
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: I just followed-up with the sysadmins, there's an open ticket for TLS on us.org. That's all I've got, other than another person chimed-in on it to investigate.
[17:21] <oerheks> In an open letter to the Parliament, the Dutch minister for internal affairs Raymond Knops commits to a "Free Software by default" policy and underlines its benefits for society.
[17:21] <oerheks> https://fsfe.org/news/2020/news-20200424-01.en.html
[18:55] <leftyfb> !mint needs to be updated pointing to #linuxmint, not #linuxmint-help
[18:55] <leftyfb> sorry, ##linuxmint
[19:22] <jeremy31> leftyfb: actually point it to irc://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-help
[19:24] <leftyfb> jeremy31: why? It's the closed channel and doesn't help. Also, if you're on freenode already, why link to a server to join in yet another session?
[19:30] <jeremy31> leftyfb: I don't remember why it was done on freenode but the official Mint IRC channels are still on spotchat IRC
[19:30] <leftyfb> oh, spotchat is a separate network. I thought it was just another Freenode mirror
[19:31] <jeremy31> and #linuxmint here just redirects to ##linuxmint the last I tried it
[20:00] <Bashing-om> Hot of the terminals: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue628 :D
[21:01] <oerheks> !wobblywindows