[06:26] <dcraven> evilmegaman, if you cd'd to the CD before running the game installer, then you can't.
[06:26] <setuid> But you could try... umount /dev/hdc
[06:27] <GammaRay> is it just me or does nautilus now close the previous window when I open a new folder?
[06:27] <dcraven> davy, hmmm.. That wiki howto worked on the same chipset you have.
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, yes...me too
[06:27] <dcraven> GammaRay, it's all of us.
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> odd waste of resources
[06:27] <stevenj> dcraven, did you uninstall ubuntu desktop? what does it do?
[06:27] <AcidWolf> i got a file thats in .RAR format when i try to extract it i get an error message saying unsuported Archive format
[06:27] <GammaRay> well I really like the new behavior
[06:27] <AcidWolf> does Ubuntu not support it
[06:27] <dcraven> GammaRay, if you want the old behavior back, set /apps/nautilus/general/no_ubuntu_spatial to true in gconf.
[06:28] <dcraven> stevenj, yes I did, and nothing that I'm aware of.
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> AcidWolf, look in universe
[06:28] <AcidWolf> yes nomasteryoda but what am i supposed to be looking for
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> AcidWolf, if you are using hoary... just add
[06:28] <GammaRay> dcraven: well this isn't exacty spatial mode I'm talking about
[06:28] <dcraven> acidburn_, unrar is in the repo.
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> in the package installer synaptic
[06:28] <AcidWolf> ty
[06:28] <dcraven> GammaRay, I know what you are talking about.
[06:28] <stevenj> dcraven, thanks
[06:29] <dcraven> GammaRay, I think.
[06:29] <nnonix> test, ignore me
[06:30] <AcidWolf> ok i unrar installed but now how do you use it cause right click and extract here still give error message
[06:30] <dcraven> GammaRay, oh, and it's /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial...
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> 'man unrar' for the directons
[06:30] <GammaRay> dcraven: gnome 2.8 used to keep the old folder open when you double left clicked on a folder.. 2.10 seems to close the old one
[06:31] <AcidWolf> ty
[06:31] <dr_willis> dont click. AcidWolf  use the shell. :P
[06:31] <GammaRay> dcraven: 2.8 would only do this if I double middle clicked
[06:31] <dcraven> GammaRay, 2.10 does the same as 2.8, unless you are using Ubuntu.
[06:31] <k-otik> is there something equivalent to hyperterminal for ubuntu?
[06:31] <k-otik> that lets you dial into something?
[06:31] <yoink23> dcraven, thanks for the advice
[06:31] <GammaRay> so this is a ubuntu patch? a backport maybe?
[06:32] <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm having troubles with enemy territory, the game starts but the games closes with no errors, it was working today
[06:32] <dcraven> GammaRay, Ubuntu patch.
[06:33] <AcidWolf> brb
[06:34] <dcraven> yoink23, no problem.
[06:35] <MyNameIsChris> kkathman, Aren't they called logs?
[06:35] <kkathman> awww dcraven :(
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> kkathman, if you do it on a website, then maybe the world can benefit
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:36] <dcraven> kkathman, do you keep a Windows Journal?
[06:36] <kkathman> MyNameIsChris well do you know how many logs there are in Linux
[06:36] <kkathman> dcraven no, but everytime I install a program I do a system restore point too
[06:36] <k-otik> \
[06:36] <kkathman> so I can get back to where I was before I installed it
[06:36] <dcraven> kkathman, that's because it's Windows.
[06:36] <kkathman> well YAH
[06:37] <kkathman> its smart management
[06:37] <dcraven> kkathman, whatever works.
[06:37] <rerun> sorry this is gonna be long -->
[06:37] <dcraven> :)
[06:37] <rerun> I have a huge old 21" CRT that isn't giving me more than 1024x768 in warty... I have been messing with the xorg.conf for a while now... and I'm still not there. :( I have an ATI card and I've appropriately installed the drivers for it. I've read several howtos when it comes to ATI and changing resolution... but it seems to boil down to the fact that my conf doesn't have the proper vertical / horizontal sync / refresh data for my monitor. I got
[06:37] <rerun> that info from the manufacturer--- and when I put it into the conf -- BING! We get beautiful 1600x1200 res! But when I login, I get total wicked distortion, like craaazy diagonal blocks.
[06:37] <rerun>  <-- like I said, sorry!
[06:38] <dcraven> I gotta go to bed. G'nite all.
[06:38] <kkathman> night :)
[06:38] <kkathman> whew he left quick
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> rerun, is the monitor on prior to booting?
[06:39] <rerun> yes
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:39] <mainer> yoink23 ,sounds like lock-protectd screensver
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> i have issue with hoary changing resolutons on my
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> monitors... if they are off before booting.
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:40] <rerun> oh---- wait a second!
[06:40] <rerun> I have a KVM... maybe that's contributing...?
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> usb?
[06:40] <rerun> no
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> belkin?
[06:40] <rerun> dlink
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> might just be it tho
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> i had issues with mine
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> linksys
[06:41] <rerun> okay -- i'm in the chan on my lappy too.... re|run
[06:41] <rerun> brb....
[06:41] <re|run> sup
[06:41] <re|run> let me try that
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:41] <tux_> alguien sabe como instalar quake 3 enlinux
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> tux_, no english?
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> er, no habla english>
[06:42] <tux_> AYUDENME A INSTALAR QUAKE 3 EN LINUX POR FA
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ok, don't have to yell
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> por favor
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:43] <SLaPoet> tux needs help installing quake 3 for linux
[06:43] <SLaPoet> ?
[06:43] <tux_> YES
[06:43] <yoink23> apparently its urgent
[06:43] <SLaPoet> que es problema?
[06:43] <kkathman> right I got that :)
[06:43] <SLaPoet> lol
[06:44] <Jeezis> is there a better wireless client for ubuntu other than kwifimanager?
[06:44] <kkathman> tux_ try wine :)
[06:44] <guruff> lool; where is gnome menu stored ?
[06:44] <SLaPoet> kkathman, he doesn't need wine
[06:44] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:44] <SLaPoet> tux_,  un momento por favor
[06:45] <holycow> Amaranth, my thx for the gnome menu editor once again
[06:45] <holycow> lovely work :)
[06:45] <SLaPoet> tux_ tiene quake 3 por windows?
[06:45] <aws> Jeezis - I run the stock desktop and the network app works fine w/orinoco
[06:45] <re|run> nomasteryoda: that was it.
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> good
[06:46] <re|run> but any workaround with that?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> er, not that I know of
[06:46] <SLaPoet> i guess tux_ didn't have time to wait.
[06:46] <re|run> didn't think so... hmm.
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> just have to make sure the ubuntu box boots with monitor
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> on
[06:46] <re|run> but the weird thing is that when it gets to the login screen, it's happy with 1600x1200...
[06:47] <re|run> so X is okay with it at first...
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> seems that xorg is getting some plug-play stuff
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> slowly
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:47] <re|run> okey-dokey... well, it's great to have identified it so quick. thanks a ton, man.
[06:48] <Jeezis> aws: what is orinoco? i just looked on synaptic and it doesnt have it
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> re|run, np man
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> glad to help
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> I just got my dual monitor mode working on this laptop
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> ... with hoary
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> decided to give it a try
[06:50] <re|run> :)
[06:50] <Jeezis> how do i get kwifimanager to switch channels? its on channel 6 and i need it to be on channel 11
[06:50] <aws> It's the wireless PCMCIA card I have.
[06:51] <Jeezis> aws: ah, i'm using a built in mini-pci card
[06:53] <aws> I have a Compaq nc6000 with a builtin atheros but Ubuntu won't make it pick up any AP's
[06:53] <guruff> i need some help; i have installed skype it uses qt; and looks heaps ugly, how can i change theme qt uses?
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> aws, did you choose the ath0 as the default gateway device in the control applet?
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> aws, i have used my atheros pcmcia cards on ubuntu
[06:55] <nnonix> test, ignore please
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> time for sleep
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> nite .. or greetings.. ubuntu
[07:00] <aws> nite
[07:02] <dr_willis> Hmm. I installed java.. java -version works .. firefox isent seeing it.. bother..
[07:02] <Codyman> anyone here pretty good at C++?
[07:03] <discord> dr_willis, you have to install the plugin
[07:03] <discord> for firefox
[07:03] <dr_willis> discord,  aha..
[07:03] <dr_willis> ok.. just saw it at the ubuntu guide.
[07:03] <discord> oh
[07:03] <kakalto> what happens if I run the directX 9 installer under wine?
[07:03] <discord> anyone know if hoary supports wirless cards on laptops
[07:04] <discord> specifically prism2 pcmcia  cards
[07:04] <discord> using either the wlan-ng driver
[07:04] <discord> or the hostap driver
[07:04] <isai> hi
[07:04] <discord> ?
[07:04] <isai> how do I watch mpegs movies?
[07:04] <GammaRay> it would be very strange if it didn't support prism2
[07:04] <kakalto> can I mount nrg images with mount iso ?
[07:04] <discord> yeah i just did a hoary
[07:04] <discord> install
[07:04] <discord> i dont think its working
[07:04] <dr_willis> there are nrg to iso converters out. I belive.
[07:05] <discord> maybe i have to get a package
[07:06] <kakalto> dr_willis, are you trying to suggest that the package "nrg2iso" doesn't exist?
[07:06] <kakalto> :P
[07:06] <dr_willis> kakalto,  there is nero for linux now also. :P
[07:07] <dr_willis> kakalto,  busy fighting with java at the moment. :P
[07:07] <discord> boo
[07:07] <discord> xcdroast is pretty nice
[07:07] <kakalto> nero for linux is bad at the moment, I hear
[07:07] <kakalto> plus, I have OEM
[07:07] <kakalto> so I can't get it
[07:07] <cikilin> where is back in ubuntu?
[07:07] <discord> yeah it cost $$$
[07:07] <kakalto> and I can just convert nrg2iso then use k3b :P
[07:07] <nickrud> dr_willis, take a look at java-package in multiverse. Makes it all a snap
[07:08] <isai> will mplayer work?
[07:08] <espiem> hello all
[07:08] <kakalto> me is thanking whoever made nrg2iso!
[07:08] <espiem> I need some help regarding how to install additional application in linux
[07:08] <dr_willis> nickrud,  yea - my sources didekt have all the sources mentioned in the ubuntu guide.
[07:08] <kakalto> espiem, what program?
[07:09] <kakalto> what command can I use to mount an iso?
[07:09] <espiem> kakalto, I just download a file name bla bla with rpm extension
[07:10] <cikilin> can anybody want to tell me where is 'back' when i browse a folder?
[07:10] <discord> anyone have a prism2 card in their laptop
[07:10] <discord> ?
[07:10] <dr_willis> kakalto,  its the normal mount command - but some how you use a loopback option i recall.
[07:10] <dr_willis> :P
[07:10] <b2s> cikilin: the backspace key should work
[07:10] <dr_willis> actually i think in kde and gnome you can just click on them now a days. lol
[07:10] <kakalto> espiem, either try to get a deb version of it
[07:11] <kakalto> espiem, or "sudo apt-get install alien"
[07:11] <b2s> kakalto: mount /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point -o loop,ro
[07:11] <kakalto> espiem, then use alien to change the rpm to deb
[07:12] <espiem> kalkalto, i'm a newbies. should i go to root or what?
[07:12] <cikilin> b2s: only backspace?
[07:12] <kakalto> espiem, first, "sudo apt-get install alien", sudo = root, alien = the program
[07:13] <kakalto> (in a terminal)
[07:13] <b2s> cikilin: its what I normally use
[07:13] <kakalto> then "sudo alien /path/to/rpm/file", I think that's all
[07:13] <cikilin> k
[07:13] <nickrud> cikilin, ciick the folder name in the lower left status bar
[07:13] <nickrud> suprise!
[07:14] <espiem> kalkalto, thanks. I'll try
[07:14] <b2s> nickrud: ah yes, of course, I forgot about that
[07:14] <kakalto> is iso9660 cd?
[07:14] <cikilin> ?
[07:14] <nickrud> b2s, I'm a wannabe a keyboard jockey, but the mouse is still nice
[07:15] <b2s> nickrud: I went through half of 1996 without a mouse because mine broke or something
[07:15] <cikilin> nickrud: in the lower left status bar?
[07:15] <nickrud> cikilin, the bottom left of the folder window
[07:15] <b2s> cikilin: yes, at the bottom of the window it lists the name of the current folder.  click on that.
[07:15] <cikilin> aaaaaa
[07:16] <cikilin> that i am doing
[07:16] <nickrud> b2s, from about 1990 to 2000 I was computer free; burnout
[07:16] <cikilin> but i want a quick command
[07:16] <b2s> cikilin: then press the backspace key
[07:16] <nickrud> cikilin, I don't know anything faster than backspace
[07:17] <XplOzIon> hi all
[07:17] <cikilin> k
[07:17] <cikilin> 10x
[07:17] <k-otik> does kde have a 'device manager' equivalent?
[07:17] <k-otik> to gnome?
[07:17] <b2s> hi XplOzIon.  camera working yet?
[07:18] <nickrud> cikilin, the alt up,down also work nicely
[07:18] <cikilin> better backspace
[07:19] <nicedreams> how can I have my joypad bridge both the analong stick and the digital pad so they work regardless of which one I use?
[07:19] <b2s> nickrud: good one, I didn't know about that.  the only reason I know backspace is because it works in windows too
[07:19] <XplOzIon> hi b2s, well i had to work on another computer, install windows updating, etc... so didnt try anyhting else for the camera to work
[07:20] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  Hmm.. Mine does work that way.
[07:20] <devazion> nickrud: to what?
[07:20] <k-otik> how cani check what com port my modem is in kubuntu?
[07:20] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  it may depend on the game and gamepad to some degree
[07:20] <cikilin> on the ide where i have install ubuntu i cant install xp
[07:20] <cikilin> why?
[07:20] <k-otik> i can't figure it out
[07:20] <nickrud> all the keyboard shortcuts in gtk and gnome
[07:21] <devazion> here's one for all of you: http://members.cox.net/pfiore7/nerd.jpg
[07:21] <nicedreams> dr_willis: I have a logitech dual action joy and only one works or the other
[07:21] <nicedreams> anything I can do to fix that
[07:21] <XplOzIon> cikilin, did you leave a partition for win?
[07:21] <dr_willis> echo "atdt123" > /dev/XXXXX        *i forget the com port names! Argh*
[07:21] <cikilin> no
[07:22] <XplOzIon> cikilin, well u need another partition to install windows if you want to install it on the same hdd
[07:22] <nicedreams> dr_willis: do you know the joy commands so I can try to set them?   I have already gotten the dvd playback to work; but still can't playback mpg files. What program do I need?
[07:23] <cikilin> XplOzIon:i got another ide and this one with ubuntu i cant use it anymore
[07:23] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  no idea. I got a cheap PS2 style gamepad from siatek - and i can set up mame to use them both..  try 'cat /dev/input/js0' - wiggle the sticks hit the buttons if they all print jibberish they are working. :P
[07:23] <fateisajeste1> cikilin: that and you will save your self alot of bootloader probs installing xp first
[07:23] <XplOzIon> cikilin, windows wont see its linux (ext3) partition like b2s said windows its dumb
[07:24] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  and if they are all working - its configureing the program to use them right.
[07:24] <b2s> isai: search in synaptic for "mpeg" and you should get a lot of hits.  which version of totem do you have
[07:24] <cikilin> i erase all the id and nothing
[07:24] <b2s> ?
[07:24] <nicedreams> dr_willis: thx
[07:24] <nicedreams> i'll try it out
[07:24] <b2s> cikilin: so you have two hard drives, and one should be windows?
[07:24] <isai> I have totem 1.0.1
[07:24] <cikilin> no
[07:24] <cikilin> i have 3
[07:24] <XplOzIon> =/
[07:24] <b2s> isai: ok, do you have totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, or totem-somethingelse?
[07:25] <XplOzIon> totem-goten!!
[07:25] <cikilin> the actually ubuntu is a small one
[07:25] <isai> gstreamer I guess. It says using gstreamer 0.8.9.
[07:26] <XplOzIon> cikilin, so you have 3 ides, and your main problem is that u cant install windows?...
[07:26] <cikilin> yes on the ide where i have u'
[07:27] <isai> In synaptic I found gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec. Will that work?
[07:27] <XplOzIon> well, first of all you need to add a partition to that ide (fat32 or whatever windows file system) so windows can see it and then install
[07:27] <b2s> isai: ok, so you probably want to add gstreamer-mpeg2dec and gstreamer-ffmpeg and that sort of thing
[07:28] <isai> okay, installing right now.
[07:28] <JaGWiRE```> hey
[07:28] <mjc> hmm, I created a /home during setup, and it won't mount it now
[07:28] <JaGWiRE```> I have installed suse, and fedora core on my notebook which has a 2100 wireless chip (centrino, dothian I think). I've had no luck with either distrobutions, will ubuntu support this out of the box or will I have to go modding stuff?
[07:28] <b2s> isai: gstreamer-ffmpeg says it decodes 90+ formats, so that's the best bet.  I've got tons of crap installed, so I don't know which one was the key :)
[07:28] <cikilin> XplOzIon: i erase all ide data and i make partition like before and nothing
[07:29] <XplOzIon> cikilin, what format was the partition you made?
[07:29] <cikilin> ntfs
[07:29] <JaGWiRE```> Anyone here able to answer my question?
[07:30] <b2s> grr stupid xp erased my sdcard!
[07:30] <guruff> where i can get QT themes from ?
[07:30] <XplOzIon> b2s, can you help cikilin im LOST!
[07:30] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: I think intel 2xxx should work out of the box, but I don't have one.
[07:30] <chefkoch-2002> after installing the nvidia sound driver, the system beeps while starting and the volume settings are always lost. is it a known problem? workaround?
[07:30] <kakalto> www.kde-look.org
[07:30] <JaGWiRE```> Thanks b2s.
[07:30] <JaGWiRE```> I am just weary because suse is fairly good out of the box.
[07:31] <guruff> kakalto; ok... so kde native themes are qt righ
[07:31] <guruff> +t
[07:31] <kakalto> ya
[07:31] <JaGWiRE```> Oh, and the master boot record thing for ubuntu is the same ordeal as fedora core and suse, corerct?
[07:31] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: suse definitely doesn't.  HP includes a modification to their suse distros to get that working
[07:31] <b2s> heh, define "ordeal"
[07:31] <dr_willis> ordeal? hmm was rather trivial
[07:31] <guruff> kakalto; i was using kde and i don't know :P hehe thanks
[07:32] <b2s> ubuntu detected my other partitions and set up grub on the MBR without asking any crazy questions
[07:32] <XplOzIon> lol
[07:32] <XplOzIon> true
[07:32] <nickrud> mine too, but most stanza were wrong
[07:32] <Hobo> a quickie, why is ubuntu starting up a bunch of programs, when they are not in my startup area
[07:32] <Hobo> in the preferences
[07:33] <b2s> cikilin: so what problem does xp install have?  have you tried mounting the ntfs partition read-only in linux? (to make sure it is ok)
[07:33] <Hobo> root, inkscape
[07:33] <dr_willis> Hobo,  such as what programs?
[07:33] <JaGWiRE```> sorry, was afk b2s.
[07:33] <Hobo> gaim
[07:33] <Hobo> xchat
[07:33] <dr_willis> it may be they are in the last session you saved.
[07:33] <cikilin> yes
[07:33] <Hobo> how do I unsave it :)
[07:33] <JaGWiRE```> Letme sum it up.. I formatted a linux partition.. got the grub loading stage eror, couldn't load back into widnows. Put back in xp cd, went to recoverey console, did FIXMBR.
[07:33] <isai> It's finished installing. I don't have any mpgs files on hand right now. My .mov files play but stutter...
[07:33] <dr_willis> close them and use the save session menu item.. or make it where gnome dosent save sessions... or.....
[07:33] <Hobo> ok GREAT :):):)
[07:33] <Hobo> those are just fine
[07:34] <JaGWiRE```> Then my notebook.. Formatted the suse linux partition. Got the grub loading stage error, would not read any xp cd's except for ones from sony that were recovery console cd's. Put em in, still couldn't load after install. Reinstalled suse, got grub loading stage back, now have 30gb of waisted space in linux hwich I can't use.
[07:34] <mjc> hmm, I created a /home during setup, and it says it's mounted but it doesn't show up in /proc/mounts or in the output of 'mount'. any ideas?
[07:34] <mjc> it's in the fstab
[07:34] <JaGWiRE```> Later I plan to uninstall the suse, and attemtp to put a dos floppy in to boot from and do fdisk /fixmbr
[07:34] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> hope ubuntu doesn't give me pain like suse and fedora core did :(.
[07:35] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, sony machine? eww
[07:35] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, if it's just xp & ubuntu, it is painless )
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: sony vaio notebook
[07:35] <mjc> eww
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> nickrud.. thats untill you remove linux :P
[07:35] <flyer_> hey somone can help me? i want to change the gnome icon in the panel, put the ubuntu icon ;; but, im trying to find where i can change it, i cant find where!
[07:35] <k-otik> are you able to run an exe from a dos emulater?
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> mjc.. what's wrong with sonys?
[07:35] <nicedreams> how do you get dvd playback to be faster meaning hardware?  I'm using ATI with the fglrx driver
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> 4.1 pd laptop, 14.1 inch screen, 4-6 hour battery life, can't be beat.
[07:35] <kakalto> aww
[07:35] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, sony is more music label than hardware manufacturer
[07:35] <kakalto> nrg2iso doesn't work
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> mjc...
[07:36] <CitizenKane> JagWire```, nickrud is right, i had no problems at all
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> dell is no bette.
[07:36] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  its possible that dma is not enabled for your dvd drive. Mine wasent.
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> CitizenKane: did you remove the linux partition with the distro onit yet though?
[07:36] <nicedreams> dr_willis: ah....that makes sense
[07:36] <isai> b2s: thanks.
[07:36] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, their acpi implementation is really broken, their memory stick stuff is disgusting, and I've found their laptops to be fragile
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> Memorey stick? I've had very good experiences.
[07:36] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, doesn't xp make a boot floppy any more (I haven't installed a windows since win98)
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> I have one in my brand new psp with 10 anime divx episodes on it now.
[07:37] <nicedreams> dr_willis: should I just edit the /etc/hdparm.conf?
[07:37] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, doesn't work in linux last I checked
[07:37] <flyer_> hey somone can help me? i want to change the gnome icon in the panel, put the ubuntu icon ;; but, im trying to find where i can change it, i cant find where
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> Fragile? Depends how you take care of it, anything can be fragile.
[07:37] <CitizenKane> JagWire```, no but I don't see why it would be a problem, i had to modify the windows partition in the first palce to get linux on, and everything runs fine
[07:37] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, you can overheat your laptop to the point of hardware failure if you boot with acpi off and try to use any cpu, yet if you try to use a pure acpi implementation, it won't boot at all
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> CitizenKane: when you remove the linux partition just by formatitng it to ntfs or whatever, you have pain.
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> I understand that mjc.
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> Thats why i don't fold @ home on my notebook ;).
[07:37] <XplOzIon> flyer_, in www.ubuntuforums.org is your answer
[07:38] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, that's poor design
[07:38] <flyer_> ok XplOzIon i wll search there...
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> Mjc... I don't care how fragile it is, if I can carry it around without breaking my arm, i'm happy.
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> Frankly, one person will like the xbox, the next will like the playstation 2. One will like suse, one will like ubuntu. One will like seagate, one will like westenr digital.
[07:38] <mjc> JaGWiRE```,  I have a powerbook 12" for that ;)
[07:38] <CitizenKane> JaGWiRE```, well ya, windows wouldn't magically get that partition space, you would delete the linux partition, and then extend the windows one
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> It depends on your experience, you can have bad luck with anyone.
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: that is my next future notebook anyway :).
[07:39] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, sony makes technically inferior hardware. it's not about preference
[07:39] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: lol, I've never broken my arm even with my 7 pound amd64 notebook... viao's are pretty looking though.
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> CitizenKane: I had created a linux partition but for some reason i fucked up partition table on installation and it formatted my D:\ drive in windows and put linux on there so I formatted back in windows and had hell.
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> My laptop offered me 2 years ago what no one else offered.
[07:39] <kkathman> wow I just read that Kopete is shut down now :(
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> 1. A good battery for office appliccations.
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> 2. A lightweight notebook.
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> 3. A notebook that supported wireless.
[07:40] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, a broken acpi implementation and a miserable bios
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> 4. Something not too wide or big to carry around (like 17 inches)
[07:40] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: yeah, same with mine.  it was (afaik) the first amd64 laptop released.
[07:40] <kakalto> kkathman, is it actually shut down, or just in danger?
[07:40] <kakalto> last I heard, it was only in danger
[07:40] <kakalto> by that whole patent thing
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: I found it weird that my sony only read the sony recovery cd's and the burned suse dvd. It wouldn
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> It wouldn't read my retail xp cd from other computer (not supporting piracy at all, just an attempt for recovery console)
[07:40] <XplOzIon> flyer_, Heres a How to: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26854
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> i found that hilarious..
[07:40] <kkathman> kakalto just read on Linux Gazette that on its web site its shut down due to patent infringement
[07:40] <acidburn_> Question: What's the best way to install a web server with python support in Ubuntu?
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Is it soemthing in the bios telling it to only boot the sony recovery cd's?
[07:41] <bugz_> where i can find new security updates for ubuntu 5.04?
[07:41] <kakalto> kkathman, so the laws in europe passed?
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: is that possible? lol?
[07:41] <b2s> cyphase: ... apache and mod_python?  or python as a CGI?
[07:41] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, yes it's possible
[07:41] <Edgan> What is up with cpufreq-applet in Gnome not letting me change the cpu frequency?
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> You think thats what they did?
[07:41] <mjc> it sounds more like heat may have warped the laser, if it's an internal drive
[07:41] <kkathman> acidburn  try xampp that gets all the programming environments including php, mysql and apache
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> I tried 2 different xp cd's (not pirated), and no luck.
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Even tried a dell one.
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Only the sony recovery cd's and my suse 9.2 dvd.
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Funny :|
[07:41] <mjc> oh and I've seen some windows installs taht wouldn't boot windows CDs
[07:41] <kkathman> kakalto: apparently so
[07:42] <cyphase> b2s: mod_python
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> Mjc.. you know it was a real pain in the ass.
[07:42] <kkathman> you can go to linux journal and read about it
[07:42] <mjc> I erased the drive and mbr w/ linux and then everything was fine
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> It's a school notebook too so.. yeah.
[07:42] <b2s> cyphase: if you want mod_python, then apache is really the only way to go
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: i'll have to google how to prepare to format your linux partition frm linux late.r
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> Probably a much easier way then mine.
[07:42] <cyphase> b2s: yea, i know
[07:42] <cyphase> lol
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> Anyway, I reinstalled suse 9.2 for now.
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> you think a bootable dos floppy would had worked with the good old "Fdisk /fixmbr"?
[07:43] <cyphase> b2s: but whats the easiest way to do it? just install them both? or do i need to edit some files..
[07:43] <JackandJohn> ahhhhh
[07:43] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, partition magic's how I did it
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> I'll maybe put ubuntu ontop of it, and see if I like it.. I just don't like that i can't hibernate my notebook or do a fast boot.
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> Thats what I used too mjc.
[07:43] <nixbox> hello all
[07:43] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, but fdisk /mbr would restore the windows bootsector indeed
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> It would fix my problem though.
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> Letme boot to xp fine..
[07:43] <b2s> cyphase: the easiest way is to install them both.  I've never messed with mod_python though, so I don't know how much work it is to get running (hopefully more like mod_php than mod_perl)
[07:43] <JackandJohn> can anyone tell me what text-based browser I have access to from the livecd? Or even another window manager that uses tiny amounts of ram?
[07:43] <IRCsloth> quick question: I have a file named like -filename and when I go to rm it rm things the -f is an option instead of part of the filename.. how do I get around that? I've tried \-filename and '-filename'
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> All it does is replaces all of yours with default ones I think?
[07:44] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, can suspend to disk or ram as long as you don't use proprietary 3d drivers
[07:44] <propagandhi> can you use cedega without a transgaming account at all
[07:44] <cyphase> b2s: thanx
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> Not sure what i'm using.
[07:44] <mjc> propagandhi, yes
[07:44] <nickrud> IRCsloth, try rm - - filename, I think that works
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> MY notebooks got a crappy 16 mbit ati raedon mobility.
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> Thankfully it has 1400x1050 =).
[07:44] <b2s> cyphase: they are apache and libapache2-mod-python2.4 by the way (the latter is a weird name to me)
[07:44] <mjc> rm -- -file
[07:44] <cyphase> yea, i know
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: got msn?
[07:44] <IRCsloth> ok, cool, thanks
[07:44] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, ew
[07:44] <cyphase> i was just making sure there wasn't an easier/better way to do it
[07:44] <mjc> no thank you =)
[07:44] <nixbox> I have updated the apt-get package list by doing sudo apt-get update, then i did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, now i am trying to install nmap but it says that nmap doesn't exist and that some packages do refer to nmap, I have made sure that i am using the correct hoary repositories and that all the ones that should be there are there :P
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> Anyway.
[07:44] <nickrud> hate my twitchy thumb
[07:45] <b2s> cyphase: the best way in ubuntu should be apt-get or synaptic...
[07:45] <JaGWiRE```> IS there anyway possible to make a linux notebook boot as fast as windows, and have the hibernate feature so that I could use it at school with ease?
[07:45] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:45] <cyphase> yea
[07:45] <b2s> but like I said, I haven't done it
[07:45] <nixbox> moreover, apt-get also says that 0 newly installed packages, 0 removed, 22 not upgraded, and 22 packages are listed, why are these 22 not upgraded?
[07:45] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, suspend to disk and ram work fine
[07:45] <JaGWiRE```> Hm.. whats cmd for that?
[07:45] <mjc> long as you're using open source drivres
[07:45] <CitizenKane> JaGWiRE``` , i run a notebook with xp/ubuntu and it runs fine
[07:45] <JackandJohn> anyone know a text-browser? I'm stuck @ 96MB of SD ram.. all the browsers refuse to open
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> I find linxu boots much slower then windows, lol.
[07:46] <propagandhi> mjc, how do i do it??
[07:46] <mjc> echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep  for suspend to disk
[07:46] <cyphase> since im on the subject.. whats the best way to synchronize a folder on my server with one on my workstation ? rsync?
[07:46] <mjc> er, suspend to ram
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> Oh, and does ubuntu mount my windows hd's by default?
[07:46] <mjc> suspend to disk requires special options
[07:46] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, no, easy to edit your /etc/fstab for that though
[07:46] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: how long does it take you to boot to windows?
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> Hm..
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> With hibernate
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> 10 seconds
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> ?
[07:46] <mjc> hibernate = suspend to disk
[07:46] <mjc> suspend = suspend to ram
[07:46] <b2s> well, I haven't timed linux hibernate yet...
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> I know.. it's just storing it into ram.
[07:47] <mjc> hibernate should take a minute or two
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> Woah..
[07:47] <mjc> suspend should take 10 seconds or so
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> Thats al ot mjc, don't you think?
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> I'm at school lol.
[07:47] <b2s> mjc: !?
[07:47] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, no, it ahs to copy all of RAM to disk and power off.
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> oh, k.
[07:47] <kkathman> WOW...we might be without GAIM and Kopete both soon
[07:47] <mjc> you're confusing hibernate and suspend
[07:47] <b2s> it only takes me 55 seconds to boot all the way from cold!
[07:47] <mjc> kkathman, why gaim
[07:47] <b2s> into linux.  and log in.
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> So it doesn't mount windows hd's by default?
[07:47] <ciocanel> what's the best way to upgrade to firefox 1.0.3?
[07:47] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, no, just edit your fstab you lazy butt ;)
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> b2s. i'm at school so yeah.. only reason why i got a shit gfx card and lightweight.
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> fstab??
[07:48] <mjc> ciocanel, synaptic
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> what happend to the mount cmd's.
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> lol.
[07:48] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, it's easy to set it up during install
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> you know the old fashioned terminal..
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> mount -t
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> lol..
[07:48] <b2s> surely it doesn't really take 1-2 minutes to de-hibernate in linux...
[07:48] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, mount commands have to be done every time
[07:48] <ciocanel> mjc, thanks.
[07:48] <mjc> fstab is for mounting at boot time
[07:48] <mjc> /etc/fstab
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> eh mjc?
[07:48] <mjc> ciocanel, yep
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> i haven't used linux in a while
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> nickrud: theres an option in installation? woohoo!!
[07:48] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, if you want your windows partition to be mounted at boot you put a line in /etc/fstab
[07:48] <JackandJohn> k, nm.. I'm keep banging
[07:49] <JackandJohn> I'm = I'll
[07:49] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: its easy anyway.  ubuntu will add it to fstab, you just have to tell it to actually mount it at boot.
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> oh, k.
[07:49] <mjc> nickrud, my machine is having problems mounting /home
[07:49] <mjc> any ideas?
[07:49] <ciocanel> mjc, what repos I need?
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> hmm b2xs
[07:49] <mjc> ciocanel, updates and security updates, the default ones
[07:49] <nickrud> what's the fstab line :)
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> i just noticed i'm gonna have problems sharing my word documents and my open office doucments
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> cause of the obvious problem.. can't write to ntfs
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> :(
[07:50] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, vmware works for me
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> lol.
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> i only got 512 mb of ram
[07:50] <kkathman> mjc - by European standards, its infringement
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> :-(
[07:50] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: yeah, I wish ubuntu had captive-ntfs.  you might try making a small fat32 partition for shuffling data back and forth
[07:50] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, there's utilities for reading ext3 partitions from windows
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> b2s.. probably right
[07:50] <mjc> kkathman, interesting
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> i'de think 1gb is good enough for docs
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> Eh?
[07:50] <mjc> captive sucks
[07:51] <mjc> it's really fricking slow
[07:51] <JaGWiRE```> Everyone complains about speed now.
[07:51] <b2s> mjc: worked for me... fast enough to share docs with at least
[07:51] <JaGWiRE```> Raptors are known as a fast hd and look how many fail.
[07:51] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:51] <XplOzIon> mjc, are you sure you can upgrade firefox to 1.0.3 from synaptic?
[07:51] <mjc> XplOzIon, you will be able to
[07:51] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: how many?  I haven't lost one yet...
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> b2s.. i've heard lots.
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:52] <Hobocop> holy crap it is the internet
[07:52] <XplOzIon> mjc, i know i will, but you just said you can! =P
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> I have heard it's cause people connect em wrong though.
[07:52] <propagandhi> hey, how do i use cedega without a transgaming account
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> I hate people who trust hd's though
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:52] <mjc> XplOzIon, yep, you can, as soon as ubuntu pushes a release of it
[07:52] <mjc> propagandhi, don't use point2play
[07:52] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: ... how on earth do you do that?!  of course, I usually have hotswap bays anyway...
[07:52] <propagandhi> okay, but how would i use it i've never done it before
[07:52] <mjc> cedega /path/to/filename at the commandline
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> hehe b2s
[07:52] <XplOzIon> mjc, still dont get what i mean, nevermind ;)
[07:52] <propagandhi> to the cd executable??
[07:53] <mjc> XplOzIon, I do, you didn't get what I meant =)
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> So, i think x-chat is pretty good irc client?
[07:53] <ivoks> hello
[07:53] <XplOzIon> mjc, ppfff
[07:53] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, I'm using it but I prefer irssi
[07:53] <ivoks> xchat sucks :)
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> I've heard good about irissi too.
[07:53] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: irssi! wee!
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> But it's more of a command line one I heard?
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> I'm on mirc now (The plugin junky <---)
[07:53] <b2s> well, so its text... isn't what you are doing writing text?
[07:53] <ivoks> :)
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> b2s.. i'm not using an irc client where it goes like this
[07:53] <Hobocop> xchat
[07:53] <mjc> irssi is commandline yes
[07:54] <mjc> but that doesn't mean it's bad
[07:54] <Hobocop> xchat for lyfe
[07:54] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: its pretty easy to write irssi scripts in perl
[07:54] <ivoks> ?!?!?!
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> ./connect to irc.29439824859389.cas9249882934<PHONE_NUMBER>00 connect at 3:00
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> i prefer /connect irc.freenode.net
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> :P
[07:54] <ivoks> command line is good, people!
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> i mean /server
[07:54] <Hobocop> oh god the xchat I cant even stop it
[07:54] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: eh?  I use "/connect freenode"
[07:54] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, same command in irssi
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> or whatever.
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> lol mjc
[07:54] <Hobocop> it is a tsunami of internet simplicity
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> meh
[07:54] <propagandhi> mjc: do i install the game first - if so, how
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> i'll give em all a try
[07:54] <seeker> command line is good as long as it's not the only option you have
[07:55] <seeker> graphical combined with command line is better
[07:55] <Hobocop> yes agreed seeker
[07:55] <mjc> propagandhi, run the setup with cedega /media/cdrom0/setup.exe most likely
[07:55] <ivoks> seeker thats why we have ubuntu :)
[07:55] <Hobocop> the option being there is a happy making machine
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> what windowsmanager are you guys running on ubuntu?
[07:55] <Hobocop> :):):)
[07:55] <propagandhi> mjc: oh, okay, and then i can play it by using cedega command
[07:55] <kkathman> fluxbox, wmaker KDE, Gnome
[07:55] <propagandhi> JaGWiRE```: KDE all the way
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> all at once?
[07:55] <ivoks> JaGWiRE``` for now Gnome, until i set up fluxbox
[07:55] <Hobocop> gnome :)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: hi
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> i didn't know people used itaniums and opterons with ubuntu
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> LOL
[07:55] <chazwurth> Has anyone had luck getting dual-head displays working using the nv driver for an nvidia card?
[07:55] <kkathman> well I can log in an out of them
[07:55] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Hi!
[07:55] <kkathman> not simultaneously :)
[07:56] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: I'm still using gnome until I can show it to a friend (who installed kde) but afterwards is xfce for me
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> i want to try fluxbox, enlightenment, and if worst ocmes, go try xfce.
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> last ressort is kde.
[07:56] <Hobocop> oh god feta cheese
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> i hear xfce is fastest.
[07:56] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: xfce is my favorite
[07:56] <kkathman> xfce is low resource, but it can mess up the Gnome install
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> but i've seen screenshots
[07:56] <kkathman> and its harder to get installed
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> it loosk like crap
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> unix type guio
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> :P
[07:56] <b2s> kkathman: just don't go back to gnome ;)
[07:56] <seeker> whats wrong with gnome?
[07:56] <mjc> excuse me while I stab someone
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> kde semes like it can be the nicest looking in the end
[07:57] <seeker> (just getting used to it)
[07:57] <JaGWiRE```> cause lots of people making themes and shit.
[07:57] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: mine actually looks just like BeOS actually :)
[07:57] <JaGWiRE```> i'm out anyway, gone to be.
[07:57] <mjc> my fscking geforce4 just died
[07:57] <JaGWiRE```> bed*
[07:57] <Hobocop> Mince looks like gnome
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: forgot to ask u... did they give u any kind of a tracking no ?
[07:57] <Hobocop> mince
[07:57] <Hobocop> oh god I am a idiot
[07:57] <Hobocop> I wont mince words
[07:57] <ivoks> best sentence of them all:
[07:57] <mjc> oh well, time to prod amd for some pci express
[07:57] <ivoks> Ok, proceeding with removing running kernel image.
[07:58] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: I assume the CDs haven't arrived yet :P
[07:58] <ivoks> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8253 - nice article about ubuntu
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: no. indian post aint that fast :D
[07:59] <seeker> is there anyway to have webcam conversation with msn messenger clients?
[07:59] <kkathman> heres the article about Kopete being closed for patent infringement: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10128
[07:59] <seeker> I use gaim . but it doesn't support webcam
[07:59] <ivoks> seeker gnomemeeting
[08:00] <seeker> it can connect to msn?
[08:00] <ivoks> uh, msn messanger
[08:00] <ivoks> sorry, didn't see that condition :)
[08:01] <seeker> sobersabre, is there anyway to do it?
[08:01] <kkathman> night peeps!
[08:01] <seeker> so is there any way (not sobersabre )
[08:01] <seeker> this auto complete nick can be a pain in the $$$
[08:03] <Hobocop> http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10155 LMAO
[08:03] <ollonbrus> Hia! How do i configure my x-server. I've managed to completely destroy m xorg.conf, and my manual setup do not seem to work.
[08:04] <b2s> seeker: maybe ayttm can do it
[08:04] <b2s> seeker: it says "msn gnomemeeting integration"
[08:05] <ryan_> I'm having trouble with Xorg as well, I was setting up the ATi drivers (fglrx) and I managed to lock my resolution at 800X600, even though I had 1024X768 before, and glxgears only gives me around 500fps, and it gave me 1500 on Warty
[08:06] <ryan_> anyone have any ideas?
[08:06] <thr1ce> man...there is a new fonts pack in breezy that looks AMAZING
[08:06] <b2s> ryan_: when you run fglrxinfo does it work?
[08:07] <seeker> ok, thanks. I'll try it out
[08:07] <b2s> and ps ryan_, glxgears on my system gives >1400 fps, so probably something is broken :)
[08:07] <ryan_> fglrxwindow: display: :0.0  screen: 0
[08:07] <ryan_> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[08:07] <ryan_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:07] <ryan_> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[08:07] <thr1ce> yup
[08:07] <mjc> ryan_, 1500 is still pathetic ;)
[08:08] <thr1ce> ryan_, did you run through fglrxconfi ?
[08:08] <thr1ce> g
[08:08] <b2s> mjc: for a laptop?
[08:08] <ryan_> no
[08:08] <thr1ce> 34562 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6912.400 FPS
[08:08] <ryan_> I edited my xorg.conf
[08:08] <thr1ce> my ATI results
[08:08] <mjc> 12415 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2483.000 FPS
[08:08] <mjc> 12336 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2467.200 FPS
[08:08] <ryan_> on Warty I had 1500, on a Radeon 9200SE
[08:08] <thr1ce> ryan_, I ran through fglrxconfig, and then altered
[08:08] <mjc> that's a GeForce FX Go5600
[08:09] <Hobocop> almost 7000 fps
[08:09] <Hobocop> whoaoa
[08:09] <thr1ce> and make sure you select useexternalAGPGART? no
[08:09] <claton> elp
[08:09] <thr1ce> Hobocop, it'll go past if i'm not doing stuff
[08:09] <claton> help
[08:09] <Hobocop> is this some magic thing
[08:09] <Hobocop> or am I uninformed
[08:09] <claton> I'm new to  linix
[08:09] <b2s> 48545 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9709.000 FPS
[08:10] <claton> allways wanted linix  now I got it
[08:10] <dr_willis> claton,  tip #1 - ask a question we can answer. :P
[08:10] <thr1ce> b2s, what card ?
[08:10] <claton> now need to load and play halo and battle field
[08:10] <b2s> thr1ce: radeon 9600
[08:11] <thr1ce> b2s, hm...I have 9700 pro; how do you have more than I do?
[08:11] <thr1ce> did you compile yourself ?
[08:11] <Hobocop> :( I get about 2500
[08:11] <b2s> thr1ce: I cheated and made the window small :P
[08:11] <Hobocop> on a 5500 256mb
[08:11] <mjc> thr1ce, faster CPU
[08:11] <thr1ce> lol
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: sorry got disconnectd. if u posted anything, plz repost :)
[08:11] <thr1ce> no
[08:11] <mjc> once graphic acceleration is enabled, it's a cpu benchmark for the most part
[08:11] <b2s> mine is a 9600 with 64MB... it is an amd64 CPU, but CPU is NOT the bottleneck here
[08:11] <seeker> how can I remove an entry from the gnome application menu
[08:11] <dr_willis> claton,  cedega and wine can allyou to play SOME windows games.. but dont expect it to work very well.  I advices booting to windows to play games.. and linux for work/real work. :P
[08:11] <thr1ce> I've got an athlon 2100...unless he's all 64 bit, 2000 fps is waaay too much
[08:11] <mjc> particularly if you have the same card
[08:12] <discord> anyone know how to get a prism2 pcmcia card working under hoary?
[08:12] <claton> thank's
[08:12] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Nah, I've been dealing with lag issues of my own, heh
[08:12] <thr1ce> make window small?  hm...lets see
[08:12] <discord> does hoary come with wireless drivers?
[08:12] <mjc> my amd64 w/ a 9800Pro gets like 2000fps in glxgears w/ fglrx. I haven't quite figured it out yet.
[08:12] <b2s> I've got an amd64 3200+, but the radeon9600 just isn't fast enough to keep up
[08:12] <mjc> same in 32bit mode though
[08:12] <aisipos> Has anyone seen poor responsiveness (even mouse pointer updated slowly) under high CPU load with Hoary?
[08:13] <mjc> b2s, should be able to get a few thousand fps with that though
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: lol... btw, did they give u some kind of a tracking no. ?
[08:13] <thr1ce> 44206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8841.200 FPS
[08:13] <Hobocop> nope
[08:13] <seeker> I guess it will depend on why you have a high cpu load
[08:13] <thr1ce> mjc, cover the gears with the terminal for an accurate reading
[08:13] <claton> later
[08:13] <mjc> thr1ce, erm, no
[08:13] <thr1ce> well, not accurate
[08:13] <mjc> that's lame
[08:13] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: I doubt it, but I can check the receipt. If I can find it :P
[08:13] <thr1ce> mjc, actually, it's what you're supposed to do
[08:13] <seeker> if you have a high cpu load for realtime application than that might explain it
[08:13] <ollonbrus> Hia! How do i configure my x-server. I've managed to completely destroy m xorg.conf, and my manual setup do not seem to work.
[08:13] <aisipos> seeker: For some reason, chatzilla sometimes throws me into 100% cpu. Switched to xchat, but the problem was real.
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: plz doo.. that will m,ake it easier for both of us.. why the :P ??
[08:14] <thr1ce> xorgconfig
[08:14] <mjc> thr1ce, it's not accurate when you do that, geforce 4 and higher will simply not render the image
[08:14] <thr1ce> mjc, i've been recommended to do it with an ATI card
[08:14] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Because I have no idea what the heck I did with the thing
[08:14] <chazwurth> It might be in my car somewhere...brb
[08:14] <mjc> thr1ce, probably because ATI cards are so miserably slow
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: ok
[08:14] <Hobocop> ooooh
[08:14] <mjc> 24956 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4991.200 FPS when I do that on my geforce fx go 5600
[08:14] <b2s> mjc: yeah probably :)
[08:14] <thr1ce> mjc, um...my 9700 pro is pretty quick
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> hey, can someone tell me what happens when - "apt-get moo" ???
[08:14] <Hobocop> now I am getting 7500 fps
[08:15] <mjc> thr1ce, not in linux
[08:15] <thr1ce> the linux drivers suck...but ATI doesn't make "slow" cards
[08:15] <thr1ce> mjc, 7000 fps isn't bad at all
[08:15] <thr1ce> and, glxgears is horribly inaccurate
[08:15] <aisipos> seeker: Is there any reason to up the priority for Xorg? On my stock Hoary, its priority is 15, nice 0
[08:15] <b2s> grr, I can't break 10000 fps
[08:15] <mjc> thr1ce, I get 5500fps with it uncovered in my GeForce4 Ti 4600 or about that with it covered on my ati
[08:16] <seeker> aisipos, mouse curser work via interrupt, so xorg shouldn't bother it
[08:16] <thr1ce> mjc, i'm not going to argue that the drivers suck; the cards do not, as you're arguing
[08:16] <mjc> thr1ce, ah, I see
[08:16] <thr1ce> boot into windows, I'll take your card on any day :)
[08:16] <thr1ce> won't even be close
[08:16] <helio7> I cannot seem to reorder my PATH variable in .bashrc to run MY script instead of the one in /usr/bin ... anyone know if Ubuntu works differently than other *nixes in this regard?  The script i've named "cal" and if I type 'which cal' it shows /home/usr/cal but if I run it it runs /usr/bin/cal (on my shell account into a RH server it works no problem...
[08:16] <seeker> it might be connected to a page fault due to a but or something, but you better ask someone who knowes more than me
[08:16] <thr1ce> then again, this is *nix
[08:16] <conanhome> hi all, i'm trying ubuntu, i install it yesterday in a k6-II and all went smoothly, but today i can get it to work in a sempron 3000+, the problem seems to be with partman no detecting partitions on my ide, but the system have created de /dev/hda* apropriate and i can mount them... so is there anyway to bypass partman and get the installation to work?
[08:17] <bob2> helio7: no, it works exactly like every over bash-using-system
[08:17] <seeker> should be *page fault due to a memory related but*
[08:17] <bugz_>  anybody here from Chatsworth?
[08:17] <bob2> helio7: what does "ecoh $PATH" print out?
[08:17] <mjc> thr1ce, I have a 9800 Pro in my machine now because my GF4Ti4600 died.
[08:17] <mjc> sucks
[08:17] <conanhome> i forgot is an ubuntu hoary 5.04
[08:17] <guruff> me again; is there a simpler way to change qt theme than installing whole kde ? :)
[08:17] <aisipos> seeker: Then is there an easy way to have music players (like Amarok) run with a real-time priority when chosen to play files via nautilus?
[08:17] <mjc> I'm going to get a pair of 6800GTs tomorrow
[08:17] <thr1ce> mjc, 9800 pro works beautiful with good drivers
[08:18] <ryan_> FGLRX says it wants to write to "XF86Config-4, but I'm using Xorg. Is it ok to use that filename?
[08:18] <aisipos> seeker: I get skipping now and then under high load.
[08:18] <thr1ce> ryan_, yes, but you're going to have to hack a bit
[08:18] <ryan_> explain
[08:18] <bob2> ryan_: are you following the instrucions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:18] <seeker> yes. but than you will only be able to use them through root (just change the nice)
[08:18] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Found it. There's nothing that looks like a tracking number here, and from there website it looks like I would have had to purchase tracking. They didn't offer and I didn't think to ask, sorry
[08:18] <mjc> thr1ce, there aren't ayn
[08:18] <ryan_> ...no? I was just told to use fglrx
[08:18] <mjc> any
[08:18] <ryan_> config
[08:18] <chazwurth> *their
[08:18] <mjc> for my operating system and processor architecture of choice
[08:18] <thr1ce> mjc, there are no windows drivers for ATI cards?
[08:18] <bob2> ryan_: just follow those instructions
[08:19] <helio7> bob2: /home/michael/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[08:19] <thr1ce> yes, I know
[08:19] <seeker> skipping here and there, might be normal. as long as it's not a mouse freeze
[08:19] <thr1ce> i only game on my win2k partition thouh
[08:19] <bob2> helio7: how do you know /usr/bin/cal is being run?  different output or such?
[08:19] <mjc> what fun is that
[08:19] <thr1ce> um...alot when I don't have to emulate things
[08:19] <Hobocop> me too thrice
[08:19] <helio7> bob2: yes exactly
[08:19] <Hobocop> crap starcraft runs slow when I WINE it
[08:19] <Hobocop> I dont know why
[08:20] <dr_willis> heh
[08:20] <Hobocop> but it does
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: oh ok.. if it costs more, then i will wait anyway :) coz it will reach, i know :)
[08:20] <seeker> how can I remove an entry from the gnome application menu?
[08:20] <mjc> thr1ce, it's actually a few fps faster with my geforce 4 on amd64 linux than on x64 xp
[08:20] <Hobocop> I run half life 2 fine in windows
[08:20] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: I'm sure it'll get there.
[08:20] <Hobocop> but starcraft kills in ubuntu :(
[08:20] <thr1ce> ok...i'm updating my breezy and heading to sleep; night all; nice chattin mjc
[08:20] <mjc> 20fps average gain in doom3.
[08:20] <mjc> night
[08:21] <mjc> with x.org from head plus some no-spin-while-idle hacks and realtime-preempt, it's nearly 60fps faster
[08:22] <Hobocop> http://dickcream.com/1986/ :):):)
[08:22] <helio7> doh bob2 it automagically came around; I have several terminal windows open and I was sure I had sourced .bashrc in each of them, but now it's working =P thanks for the reassurance
[08:22] <desrt> mjc; what just changed to make doom faster?
[08:24] <nixbox> does anyone know why the some packages wont be upgraded if i do a dist-upgrade from warty to hoary?
[08:24] <nicedreams> how do you remove a password from a user so I won't need one when I log in?
[08:24] <mjc> desrt, first, amd64 linux instead of x64 windows, second, experimental xorg and linux kernel patches
[08:25] <desrt> mjc; nvidia card?
[08:26] <bob2> nixbox: not every single package changed between warty and hoary
[08:26] <mjc> desrt, yes
[08:26] <mjc> desrt, had to hack the crap out of the drivers though
[08:26] <desrt> this is good news.
[08:26] <seeker> nicedreams, you can go to login screen setup in system->admin and use automatic log in
[08:27] <nicedreams> thx
[08:27] <nixbox> bob2, what should i do then?
[08:28] <nixbox> bob2, whenever i do apt-get it says 22 packages not upgraded
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: what do you mean?
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: ...
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: why do yo uthink that's a problem?
[08:28] <nixbox> bob2, how would those 22 be upgraded?
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: paste the output of 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to #flood
[08:28] <seeker> how can I remove an entry from the gnome application mentu?
[08:28] <nixbox> bob2, ok
[08:29] <seeker> I uninstalled the program but the icon is still there
[08:29] <seeker> (I added the icon manually with the menu edit)
[08:29] <abarbaccia> seeker, the same way - with menu edit
[08:29] <ollonbrus> Hia! How do i configure my x-server. I've managed to completely destroy m xorg.conf, and my manual setup do not seem to work.
[08:29] <seeker> how? the delete option didn't work...
[08:30] <mjc> hmm, whoops
[08:30] <nixbox> bob2, done
[08:30] <abarbaccia> hurm, not sure - maybe afer a reboot it'll go
[08:30] <mjc> looks like evms thought there was still a raid there
[08:30] <mjc> how strange
[08:30] <seeker> nope, already rebooted
[08:33] <guruff> i have gnome - only; how i can change qt theme ?
[08:33] <beh> how come when i resize the mplayer window it doesn't resize the video? it used to on my gentoo install
[08:34] <guruff> beh; you have -vo x11 thats why
[08:34] <beh> how do i fix that
[08:34] <guruff> beh; mplayer -vo help <- what does it say?
[08:34] <flyer_> guruff: yeah, me too, how to change the video size? im trying but i cant :S
[08:34] <beh>  x11     X11 ( XImage/Shm )
[08:35] <guruff> ok both of you, do you have XV listed when you do mplayer -vo help ????
[08:35] <beh> that's one of the lines
[08:35] <beh> yeah i have xv
[08:35] <guruff> beh then try mplayer -vo xv some.file
[08:35] <chazwurth> ollonbrus: Dunno if there's an Ubuntu-specific answer, but I'd try 'Xorg -configure'
[08:36] <nixbox> bob2, you there?
[08:36] <beh> guruff that works how do i make it use xv by default
[08:36] <guruff> beh in ~./mplayer/config add line vo=xv
[08:38] <beh> alright cool thanks
[08:38] <guruff> beh u should use also vo=alsa :P
[08:39] <flyer_> hey guruff help me too hehe
[08:39] <guruff> alsa afaik sucks less on a-v synch
[08:39] <flyer_> i have xv too in the mplayer -vo help
[08:40] <guruff> flyer_; ok; so mplayer -vo xv some.file works for you ?
[08:40] <flyer_> let me check
[08:42] <holysmokes> i just installed fluxbox using apt but it's taking a very long time to start up.. any suggestions?
[08:42] <flyer_> guruff, stay in.. :  alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[08:43] <guruff> ok, this is audio problem
[08:43] <guruff> flyer_;  for now try mplayer -vo xv -ao null some.file
[08:43] <guruff> flyer_; lets see first if you have xv working
[08:43] <flyer_> guruff, in MPlayer i can listen all ok. just videos, i can't resize
[08:43] <flyer_> ok
[08:44] <guruff> anyone have a clue how to change a qt theme in ubuntu ? i don't have kde installed
[08:45] <flyer_> guruff, im seeing, seems xv working
[08:46] <Gert_K> d
[08:46] <guruff> flyer_; good, so everything works now? you can play movies mplayer -vo xv some.file, resize window and you have sound ?
[08:47] <flyer_> guruff, i dont know why now, i dont 've sound...
[08:48] <guruff> flyer_; ok... lets see [mplayer -ao help]  will list all availaibe audio output, tell me what you got there
[08:49] <Gert_K> I just installed ubuntu 5.04 but there is a strange problem. My labtop suddenly powers off, often when i compile. Somebody who knows why?
[08:51] <flyer_> guruff, i configured sound, it's all ok. only thinkg i dont 've is the size of videos
[08:52] <guruff> flyer_; erm, what do you mean ?
[08:52] <`anthony> anyone found a decent way to find hotels near the conf venue?
[08:53] <`anthony> $180/night is a bit *ahem* extortionate.
[08:53] <flyer_> guruff, i can view and listen my videos, but, i can't rezize the video, only the windows rezise, but not video. can u understand my bad english? ;)
[08:53] <_phate_> `anthony, what conference?
[08:54] <flyer_> guruff, to rezise, always must put command -vo xv file ?
[08:54] <guruff> flyer_; ok; to be albe to resize video you need to pass -vo xv to mplayer each time you want to play
[08:54] <guruff> flyer_; or add to file ~./mplayer/config line vo=xv so mplayer will do it automatically :)
[08:55] <flyer_> guruff, i'll do that. Thanks you lots ;)
[08:55] <guruff> flyer_; no probs
[08:56] <`anthony> _phate_ ubuntudownunder, next week
[08:57] <phate> ah nm then I'm not in australia
[08:59] <flyer_> thanks for all cya. ubuntu community rules!
[09:10] <guruff> so quiet... yawn
[09:10] <guruff> maby somebody knows how to change qt theme without installing kde ?
[09:11] <dazed> hello all
[09:17] <Hobocop> cool just installed apache :)
[09:25] <adrian__> Hi there
[09:31] <sobersabre> guys where are the docs on how to compile custom kernel ubuntu way ?
[09:32] <geoffj> hi, has any body had any troubles with the nvidia 7174 driver?  I get an xserver lock up both on my home machine and many machines at work.
[09:34] <desrt> apt is awful confusing
[09:34] <desrt>   evolution-data-server: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[09:34] <desrt> even though libcamel1.2-3 1.2.2 is *currently* installed
[09:34] <Tuxicity> sobersabre: personaly never had to compile a custom kernel on Ubuntu, but maybe check wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <espiem> I need help regarding installing application
[09:38] <Tuxicity> desrt: well ya, which is why it's not going to be installed... cause it already is O_O
[09:38] <Tuxicity> espiem: which app.?
[09:39] <espiem> i've download package ie xmms from debian. How to install?
[09:39] <desrt> Tuxicity; ha ha ha
[09:39] <desrt> not helpful :P
[09:40] <espiem> i'm newbies. Just installed linux yesterday
[09:40] <Tuxicity> espiem: Ok. Dont download from Debian. Can you use the terminal?
[09:41] <espiem> tuxicity: yes
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> whats the default gtk theme in ubuntu?
[09:42] <Tuxicity> espiem: go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> anyone know?
[09:42] <espiem> yes I did
[09:43] <Tuxicity> espiem: then you did "sudo apt-get install xmms"?
[09:44] <espiem> Tuxicity: Ok
[09:44] <Tuxicity> espiem: does that work?
[09:44] <itay> I am trying to install OSS but I got this error:
[09:45] <itay> Trying to disable the conflicting sound driver
[09:45] <espiem> u mean, in terminal just type "sudo apt-get install xmms?
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> itay: dont do that
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> use alsa
[09:46] <Tuxicity> espiem: yes, but first
[09:46] <espiem> yea, it's downloading
[09:47] <holysmokes> anyone think of a reason why freshly installed fluxbox would take several minutes to start/restart? enlightenment starts within a reasonable amount of time
[09:49] <desrt> apt is  confusing
[09:50] <GOwin> hello. i got a question. i just changed my xfce screen resolution and now, my screen is undreadable. but logging into gnome works fine.
[09:51] <espiem> Tuxicity: what's next? anyway, it's still downloading. I thoungh it's only 1.2MB
[09:51] <Tuxicity> espiem: that should install XMMS
[09:51] <GOwin> hello?
[09:51] <goo> Are there any wifi daemons out there than waproamd?
[09:52] <goo> other than..
[09:52] <Trickyphillips> Hello. :)
[09:52] <Tuxicity> GOwin: i hear you, but cant help, sry
[09:52] <GOwin> ok. thanks.
[09:53] <Tuxicity> Trickyphillips: hi :)
[09:53] <gnumdk> hello
[09:53] <Trickyphillips> 8-)
[09:53] <espiem> Tuxicity: It;s done. But where's  my shortcut? or directory?
[09:53] <Trickyphillips> Do any of you know of a macro program for linux?
[09:54] <Trickyphillips> I want to record keystrokes, and replay them.
[09:54] <gnumdk> I'm a kubuntu user and i need to know if ubuntu cursor theme is set in gdm
[09:54] <Tuxicity> espiem: type "killall gnome-panel" in terminal + press ENTER
[09:54] <Tuxicity> espiem: that will refresh the "Applications" menu
[09:55] <Tuxicity> espiem: and you should find XMMS in Applications --> Sound And Video --> XMMS
[09:56] <espiem> tuxicity: ok. It's done. Thank you a lot for tutorial
[09:56] <Tuxicity> espiem: no problemo ;)
[09:57] <Tuxicity> gnumdk: FYI, are you awarer of the channel #kubuntu ?
[09:58] <gnumdk> yeah, but i just want to know if it work with gdm :)
[09:59] <flipy> what's the default password for the mysql-server?
[09:59] <Tuxicity> gnumdk: im on GNOME. Im no gdm expert, but if you tell me how, i'll check
[10:01] <Trickyphillips> flipy: I believe default password is "admin".
[10:02] <Trickyphillips> I might be mistaken, though.
[10:02] <flipy> ok
[10:02] <flipy> i'll try
[10:02] <gnumdk> Tuxicity: log out, tell me if cursor theme is default xorg one or ubuntu default one :)
[10:04] <flipy> uhm weird
[10:04] <flipy> Trickyphillips, how can I check that?
[10:04] <flipy> or modify that?
[10:04] <Trickyphillips> Do you have phpmyadmin installed?
[10:04] <itay> Diablo-D3, I have problems with alsa that I could solve
[10:04] <flipy> lemm check
[10:04] <itay> couldn't*
[10:04] <Trickyphillips> You should definetely get it, if you don't have it.
[10:05] <Trickyphillips> Just apt-get install phpmyadmin.
[10:05] <flipy> I'm doing it now
[10:05] <itay> I can't hear midi files
[10:05] <da_bon_bon> hi all. does wine interface with the kernel closeley ? as in, if a program works on 2.6.11 , will the milage vary, say, on 2.6.12-rc2 /?
[10:05] <holycow> by the way, if anyone is wondering why totem gstreamer doesn't play certain files, its because totem-gstreamer requires gstreamer0.8-plugins package.  tote-xine requires the w32 codecs from marrillat repository.
[10:05] <flipy> Trickyphillips, I guess it's gonna be something like http://localhost/phpmyadmin right?
[10:05] <pixil9> How do i get a cloak with nickserv?
[10:05] <Trickyphillips> Yes.
[10:06] <Trickyphillips> I now remember using username "root", with a blank password.
[10:06] <Trickyphillips> You can change the password from phpmyadmin.
[10:06] <flipy> Access denied for user: 'admin@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[10:06] <Tuxicity> gnumdk: emm, this may sound silly but how do I know which theme it is? the cursor is just a simple arrow...
[10:06] <flipy> ok, it didn't have any password Trickyphillips, thanks for the help and sorry bothering you
[10:06] <Trickyphillips> It was no bother. :D
[10:07] <flipy> :D
[10:07] <Trickyphillips> Have fun with MySQL. :)
[10:07] <kakalto> can I legally copy Xandros?
[10:07] <flipy> welll xDDD
[10:07] <flipy> it says "Create a new database: no privileges"
[10:07] <holycow> kakalto, only the gpl packages
[10:07] <flipy> logged as admin
[10:07] <Trickyphillips> Hmm.
[10:08] <holycow> xandros has some proprietary software in it, you need to check the licence with those packages
[10:08] <kakalto> holycow, so there's different versions?
[10:08] <Trickyphillips> Where does it say that?
[10:08] <flipy> at the home page of phpmyadmin
[10:08] <holycow> different versions of what?
[10:08] <kakalto> holycow, or do you mean I can copy Xandros, so long as I don't copy the proprietory packages?
[10:08] <kakalto> is Xandros itself proprietory?
[10:09] <Trickyphillips> flipy: Check out the "privledges" page.
[10:09] <holycow> kakalto, xandros is based on debian
[10:09] <kakalto> ohk
[10:09] <holycow> debian is a free software distribution
[10:09] <kakalto> yeah
[10:09] <holycow> that means it only contains gpl software
[10:09] <flipy> Trickyphillips, it was my fault, logged as root does give me privileges
[10:09] <flipy> again, thanks dude
[10:09] <Trickyphillips> You're welcome. :)
[10:09] <holycow> i.e. you can do whatever the gpl allows you to do with xandros as its mostly gpl'd but watch out for the proprietary stuff
[10:09] <Trickyphillips> Glad I could help. :D
[10:10] <flipy> :D:D:D:D
[10:10] <kakalto> holycow, so I can't just copy the cd
[10:11] <holycow> holycow that means it only contains gpl software <-- ..err i mean contains only 'free' software such as things under gpl, bsd, etc.
[10:11] <holycow> kakalto, correct
[10:12] <xukun> which multimedia player can I best use?
[10:12] <holycow> currently it seems totem-xine is tops, totem-gstreamer still has some issues, although it looks like totem-gstreamer might be ultimately the future just needs to get debugged
[10:13] <holycow> for totem-xine you will need the w32codecs from marrillat repository, search for info on google/ubuntu site
[10:13] <xukun> holycow, I already did sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[10:14] <holycow> do you have totem-xine then?
[10:14] <xukun> holycow, no yet, just apt-get that?
[10:14] <holycow> search for it first, i'm not sure if i have the spelling correct
[10:14] <xukun> yes that is it
[10:15] <Trickyphillips> Man... I love freenode so much. So many interesting channels here.
[10:15] <holycow> Trickyphillips, make sure you donate
[10:15] <Trickyphillips> How can I donate?
[10:16] <holycow> logout from freenode, log back in, your main irc window will have info on it, perhaps you still do
[10:16] <Trickyphillips> Alright, thanks. :)
[10:16] <Trickyphillips> I'll take a look.
[10:16] <holycow> :)
[10:19] <Trickyphillips> Freenode gives to UNICEF? It's the perfect cover for a money laundering operation. No one can keep track of all those kids with the little orange boxes of change.
[10:19] <thenuke> sudo apt-get install ams -> Segmentation fault
[10:19] <thenuke> :-O Any knowledge about this?
[10:20] <thenuke> amsn, that was.
[10:20] <xukun> any nice video clip online so I can test my totem-xine?
[10:20] <holycow> lol Trickyphillips
[10:20] <kakalto> any ideas what would happen if I ran the DirectX 9 installer under wine?
[10:20] <holycow> are you saying we're in the wrong business?
[10:21] <Trickyphillips> Hehe.
[10:21] <Trickyphillips> Nah, Kramer said that in a Seinfeld episode. :P
[10:21] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:21] <Tuxicity> hmm, sometimes when I click on "Logout" under "System", it takes an abnormally long time before the dialog is displayed.
[10:21] <itay> hi!
[10:22] <itay> I have problems with alsa.
[10:22] <Burgundavia> kakalto, I doubt it would work. Wine is attempting to make the winlibs include dx9
[10:22] <kakalto> Tuxicity, sometimes I click any application, and it doesn't run the program :P
[10:22] <bugz_> itay: are you Filipino?
[10:22] <itay> no
[10:22] <kakalto> Burgundavia, ohk
[10:22] <itay> the system sound and the other sound can't be play togheter in the same boot.
[10:22] <itay> to example: if I press tab in the konsole, I hear the beap
[10:23] <jhortholary> bonjour tlm !
[10:23] <itay> for now, till I will restart X, I can't hear sound from games/softwares.
[10:23] <itay> what is the problem?
[10:23] <jhortholary> hello everybody
[10:23] <jhortholary> :d
[10:24] <itay> I tried to install OSS
[10:24] <itay> but I didn't succeed
[10:25] <itay> I got an error.
[10:25] <itay> so what should I do? try to fix ALSA or try to install OSS?
[10:26] <\sh> can anyone tell me, in which package grubconf is hiding?
[10:28] <M0KQU> Can any 1 tell me if Ubunto will work on a pentium 166 mmx with 2Gb hdd & 24 Mb ram ??
[10:28] <kakalto> what graphics card?
[10:28] <kakalto> with 24mb RAM, probably not
[10:28] <thenuke> M0KQU: yes, but not with the default install
[10:28] <Burgundavia> M0KQU, yes, but very very slowly
[10:28] <kakalto> no interface, perhaps?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> M0KQU, you will need to remove any DE, and most WM's even are too big
[10:29] <M0KQU> ohh dear  i dont think there is any hope left for this little laptop of mine lol
[10:29] <kakalto> Graphical, I mean
[10:29] <thenuke> M0KQU: you need to do custom-install, and install fluxbox or some else lightweight window manager
[10:29] <Burgundavia> M0KQU, make it a headless firewall
[10:29] <Tuxicity> M0KQU: the installer requires at least 24MB of RAM
[10:29] <kakalto> M0KQU, turn it into a web host :D
[10:29] <thenuke> M0KQU: for sure is
[10:29] <M0KQU> with linux ?
[10:29] <thenuke> M0KQU: you just need to know a bit or be willing to learn some, if you want to use ubuntu
[10:30] <thenuke> Like I said, you would have to do custom-install, and then install software by yourself for it
[10:30] <M0KQU> im new to linux so wanted to give it a try
[10:30] <njan> M0KQU, I have a similar laptop with slightly more ram and slightly less processor, and it works great with netbsd. I haven't had much success in getting any linux on it usably, graphically.
[10:30] <thenuke> M0KQU: ah, not a choice for newbie :)
[10:30] <thenuke> M0KQU: does that laptop have cd-rom?
[10:30] <njan> M0KQU, you'll get it to work in text mode, but if you're new to linux that may not be what you want :p
[10:30] <M0KQU> yes it has a cd rom drive
[10:30] <thenuke> M0KQU: if you have cd-rom on it, surf to www.damnsmalllinux.org
[10:31] <thenuke> it will be great choice for your old box
[10:31] <M0KQU> ok ill have a look thanks
[10:31] <kakalto> hmm
[10:31] <kakalto> I have a p2 with a really crap gfx card, I might try that
[10:31] <kakalto> my problem is the gfx card
[10:31] <kakalto> ubuntu couldn't autodetect it
[10:32] <kakalto> and, for that matter, the screen probably wasn't good anyway
[10:35] <Hylger> hy :)
[10:36] <ghatak> Hi, i need some help regarding vnc, my question is, can vnc keep running desktop applications even if get disconnected ?
[10:36] <sobersabre> Tuxicity, what's the latest stable ubuntu binary kernel ?
[10:36] <sobersabre> 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 ?
[10:36] <Hylger> 2.6.10 i think
[10:36] <sobersabre> i have a 2.6.10 one on hoary vanilla.
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> 10
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.10-5
[10:37] <sobersabre> yep
[10:37] <Trickyphillips> Is running fsck on a mounted filesystem really so bad? :P
[10:37] <Tuxicity> sobersabre: HrdwrBoB knows best!
[10:38] <seeker> how can I manually edit the application menu (gnome)?
[10:38] <Hylger> I have a problem with the sound; My sound card is not detected. Can somebody help me ? I have try many action, but know they said that i must remake the alsa driver and i have error
[10:38] <Choubaka> Trickyphillips: fsck will fsck up if a change is done to the filesystem.
[10:38] <Trickyphillips> Lol.
[10:39] <Trickyphillips> I guess that's what the "WARNING! DON'T USE FSCK! RUN AWAY! STOP NOW!" message was trying to tell me.
[10:39] <Trickyphillips> :P
[10:39] <Choubaka> :P
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> Hylger: what card is it
[10:40] <Hylger> It's a RealTek ALC650
[10:43] <seeker> no one knows how to eddit the app menu?
[10:43] <seeker> (manually)
[10:43] <Choubaka> there's some tool to it.
[10:43] <Hylger> nobody know ?
[10:43] <seeker> I am having trouble with the tool, thats why I want to do it manually
[10:44] <ollonbrus> i tried to donfigure xorg with Xorg -configure but got an error message sayng something like "couldn't find an appropiate driver"
[10:44] <seeker> (I should probebly report the bugs there as well)
[10:44] <ollonbrus> got an MSI Geforce 6800 LE
[10:44] <Choubaka> use the "nv" driver.
[10:44] <ollonbrus> And a IBM G74 17" monitor
[10:44] <ollonbrus> i'm using the nv driver....
[10:45] <seeker> Hylger, you might try http://soundcard.free-driver-download.com/RealTek/11089/Realtek-ALC650-ALC655-AC97-Audio-Driver-A2.3-For-Linux.html
[10:45] <ollonbrus> prehaps i should use the nvidia driver...
[10:45] <ollonbrus> dunno how to install it though
[10:45] <Alse> does anyone know if you can setup up a net work between winxp and ubuntu without too much hassel?
[10:45] <Hylger> Oki thx seeker for your respons :)
[10:46] <seeker> ollonbrus did you check synaptic?
[10:46] <ollonbrus> seeker: synaptic?
[10:47] <seeker> under system->admin
[10:47] <goo> ollonbrus: System -> Administration
[10:47] <seeker> it's the ubuntu auto installer (sorta)
[10:48] <ollonbrus> i cant start the x-server so i cant se that .... or is it somewhere else?
[10:48] <seeker> you can use apt get through terminal
[10:48] <goo> ollonbrus: use   apt-cache search nvidia  , then apt-get install the package you need
[10:49] <ollonbrus> ok, and then driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf?
[10:49] <seeker> ATI here as well
[10:49] <ollonbrus> the strange thing is that it worked at the first boot, is there a way to do the autoconfiguraton again?
[10:50] <ollonbrus> Me want ATI too...
[10:50] <Madeye> guys, I have only Ubuntu installed on my system, How can I install windowsXP now ?
[10:50] <seeker> through terminal?
[10:51] <ollonbrus> Madeye: If you want to still have ubuntu on your system and dualboot you must have an empty partition or harddrive. If you have that you just tell the winxp intaller to install itself on that partition...
[10:51] <ollonbrus> Be aware that you'll need to reinstall grub to the mbr after doing that if the windowsdisk is the primary disk
[10:52] <ollonbrus> or  if the linuxdisk is connected during install
[10:52] <seeker> if you don't have a partition be sure to make one *before* you start installing!
[10:52] <Madeye> ollonbrus,  my problem is, when I installed ubuntu I have choosed use entire disk for ubuntu How can I create partition now ?
[10:53] <ollonbrus> i dont know if there are any tools to resize ext3 partitions... google for that...
[10:53] <ollonbrus> or if yoyu want to, you can buy a new disk, they're so cheep these days :D
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ollonbrus, parted, with its frontends {g|qt}parted will do it
[10:54] <spacedman> cant you resize with "parted" and the gui version "qtparted"?
[10:54] <Madeye> allorder,  I have another hdd, but linux wont recognize it, when I boot, on loading grub I got 99 99 99 99 etc..
[10:55] <ollonbrus> Madeye: make sure the second disk is properly connected and that the jumper setting are correct
[10:55] <seeker> (second try) anyone know how to *manually* eddit the app. menu?
[10:55] <Madeye> ollonbrus,  its correct, I have checked it with ubuntu live cd, it works, but it didn't work with the installed ubuntu
[10:57] <ollonbrus> Madeye: that's odd, i'll check into the problem more when i get home - right now i'm in school and unfortuneately i've got to leave now....
[10:57] <ollonbrus> good luck!
[10:57] <Madeye> ollonbrus,  ok then catch you later
[10:58] <Madeye> thank you
[10:58] <Hylger> seeker, i've download your fill but it doesn't work when i try to make it
[10:58] <Hylger> make[1] : *** [dep]  Erreur 1
[10:58] <Hylger> make[1] : quittant le rpertoire  /home/morphx/Desktop/al/alsa-driver-0.9.4
[10:58] <Hylger> make: *** [include/sndversions.h]  Erreur 2
[10:59] <seeker> what was the sound card again?
[11:00] <Hylger> ALC 650
[11:01] <Ekaitza> Hello everybody..
[11:01] <chicken_man> :P
[11:01] <Madeye> sometimes linux suck it,
[11:01] <Madeye> Hi Ekaitza
[11:02] <Ekaitza> I'm working with a linux Ubuntu in my ibook g4, which works great
[11:02] <Hylger> hi
[11:02] <chicken_man> ewwwwwww ibook
[11:02] <seeker> Hylger, check out this post http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4253.html
[11:03] <Hylger> oki thx
[11:03] <Madeye> mine working just fine, but having weird issue
[11:03] <Ekaitza> the question is that I like having my Macos and from time to time I like using a live cd with Ubuntu
[11:03] <Ekaitza> does anybody know if it is possible saving in a cd the configuration??
[11:04] <chicken_man> Ekaitza , unless the cd is open for writeing no
[11:04] <Ekaitza> that's what I mean
[11:04] <chicken_man> ehhhh
[11:04] <chicken_man> i dunno
[11:05] <Ekaitza> is there any way of leaving it open or making changes on the iso file??
[11:05] <chicken_man> what tool do you use to burn cd's ?
[11:05] <Ekaitza> I know there are some programs to change iso files
[11:05] <Ekaitza> if I'm working with windows Nero
[11:06] <chicken_man> ahhhh try window alchol 120%
[11:06] <chicken_man> windows*
[11:06] <chicken_man> alcohol * <can't spell it lol
[11:08] <Ekaitza> I'll try ;)
[11:09] <chicken_man> yes i love alcohol 120% always works for me ;)
[11:09] <Ekaitza> so, the point is just leaving it open??
[11:09] <Ekaitza> do you think it's going to work??
[11:09] <chicken_man> yea look through the burn options
[11:10] <chicken_man> i can't be sure but it should do
[11:11] <chicken_man> i got to get some food it's 10am here brb :P
[11:14] <dwd> Hiya folks. I'm running Debian amd64. I'm skimming the website, but haven't yet discovered whether Ubuntu supports a 64-bit build, yet, and haven't yet discovered whether I can apt-get across from Debian to Ubuntu, nor whether I really ought to switch anyway. Anyone free to have their brains picked?
[11:16] <dwd> Ah, okay, found the architecture list by looking in the downloads bit.
[11:16] <mjc> dwd, my attempts to dpkg -i packages made for i386 fail..
[11:19] <fabbione> 4
[11:19] <Burgundavia> dwd, you can use debian sources, but they may break
[11:19] <Burgundavia> dwd, most of Debian is already in Ubuntu
[11:20] <Burgundavia> dwd, generally, Ubuntu is Debian Sid, polished up and released every six months
[11:21] <Burgundavia> dwd, any further questions, while the channel is quiet?
[11:23] <dwd> Burgundavia: Right... But, given a running Debian install, it's okay to switch my apt sources to Ubuntu and just upgrade?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> there is a woody-->warty
[11:23] <Burgundavia> and a warty-->hoary
[11:23] <Burgundavia> you might try sarge-->hoary
[11:23] <Burgundavia> sid-->hoary is a no go
[11:24] <Burgundavia> but sid-->breezy is a sort of go
[11:24] <Burgundavia> as breezy is synced to sid
[11:24] <Burgundavia> but I would wait until mid-may for that
[11:24] <Burgundavia> that make it clearer?
[11:25] <snowblink> any news on FF 1.0.3?
[11:25] <Madeye> guys, How can I check if my winmodem driver is the correct one, and How to check to which modem port its connected?
[11:26] <Burgundavia> snowblink, the security fixes will be backported to 1.0.2 for hoary
[11:28] <itay> I want to install alsa from source
[11:29] <pixil9> apt-get build i think
[11:29] <itay> and I have got a problem in the onfigure
[11:29] <itay> configure*
[11:29] <Burgundavia> itay, I would get the Ubuntu sources
[11:29] <pixil9> noe hmm
[11:29] <kakalto> I half-expect the topic to be RTFM
[11:29] <itay> so how should I install it?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, that is non-Ubuntu
[11:29] <pixil9> apt-get source i think
[11:29] <Burgundavia> apt-get source gets it
[11:29] <Burgundavia> then read the pbuilderhowto on the wiki
[11:29] <Burgundavia> and the build it with that
[11:30] <itay> E: Unable to find a source package for alsa
[11:30] <Burgundavia> and then install the driver on your system
[11:30] <Burgundavia> itay, it might not be alsa
[11:30] <Burgundavia> itay, look on packages.ubuntu.com for it
[11:30] <itay> so what the package name?
[11:30] <itay> ok
[11:31] <itay> itay@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install alsa-source
[11:31] <itay> what now?
[11:32] <kakalto> Burgundavia, ah, of course, 'linux for human beings"
[11:32] <kakalto> not for man-users :P
[11:32] <itay> when I configure alsa-lib
[11:32] <itay> I get that error:
[11:32] <itay> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:33] <Burgundavia> itay, have you installed build-essential?
[11:33] <itay> no, to install?
[11:34] <itay> thank you!
[11:35] <Burgundavia> itay, that will get you all your compilers, as they are not installed by default
[11:35] <Solatis> is it safe already to upgrade to hoary, nvidia-wise ?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Solatis, Hoary is stable, so yes
[11:35] <itay> so why ubuntu doesn't install them by default?
[11:35] <Solatis> as in, there was a buggy nvidia driver in one of the last release candidates of hoary
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Solatis, as any upgrade is safe
[11:35] <Burgundavia> things may break for some people
[11:36] <Solatis> Burgundavia: any idea what the version of the nvidia kernel in hoary is ?
[11:36] <mz2> Solatis, should work fine now
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Solatis, you might want to check packages.ubuntu.com and look for restricted-modules
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Solatis, can't tell you offhand
[11:36] <mz2> Solatis, 7174
[11:38] <MrM__> how can i enable printer administration through the cups web interface in 5.04?
[11:43] <involved> has anyone got a Lexmark 1100 printer to work with any linux distro?
[11:44] <kent> what does this meen? ->  mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/oohtml2.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[11:44] <involved> is it possible to make keyboard shortcuts (edited by the gnome app) work with XMMS? it doesn't seem to work..
[11:48] <MrM__> kent: a dangling symlink is a symbolic link whose destination does not exist
[11:49] <kent> MrM__, so would that make this a bug? Anacrons daily report about my Ubuntu Hoary system tells me this for the OpenOffice.org2 manuals.
[11:50] <Kreiger> now then
[11:53] <kakalto> I've decided I don't like suse
[11:53] <kakalto> they don't even offer an open circulation for download on their site
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> hence why ubuntu rocks :)
[11:53] <MrM__> kent, no idea
[11:54] <Burgundavia> kakalto, they offer 9.3 live dvd
[11:54] <Burgundavia> I played with it in qemu
[11:54] <Burgundavia> the link is on distrowatch
[11:54] <kakalto> live
[11:54] <kakalto> not install
[11:55] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:55] <Burgundavia> is suse
[11:55] <involved> that's why I also changed from SuSE to ubuntu..
[11:56] <involved> and from RH to Debian in the gateway..
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> my gateway runs openwrt
[11:57] <kent> kakalto, what do you meen by "dont offer an open circulation for download on their site"?  I have never used suse..
[11:57] <involved> kent, you can't download the .iso and install.. it's kinda confusing.. you get the feeling that you are using something illegal..
[11:58] <kent> involved, how do you get the iso then? Or is it not possible at all to fetch their iso's for free?
[11:59] <involved> you can.. but it's not when it is released.. it's later..
[11:59] <involved> and there are only a few mirrors with packages updates also.. at least here in Portugal..
[12:00] <Kreiger> wow.. been awhile since i used ubuntu. how do i get into sources.list as root again?
[12:00] <kent> involved, ok.  Do suse have a 6 month release like Fedora and Ubuntu?
[12:00] <involved> no
[12:00] <kent> Kreiger, "sudo nano sources.list"?
[12:00] <Bazzi> Kreiger sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <Kreiger> ....
[12:00] <kent> Kreiger, or use synaptic.
[12:00] <Kreiger> which one is it?
[12:00] <Albacker> guys, mv command doesnt work. how can I alias, mv2 to 'cat file > file2; rm -rf file' ?
[12:00] <kakalto> what's wrong with XFree86?
[12:00] <itay> I have got a problem while configuring alsa-utils:
[12:01] <kakalto> and what's better about Xorg?
[12:01] <itay> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[12:01] <involved> those 6 month releases were the reason why I choose debian instead of Ubuntu for the gateway.. :)
[12:01] <dwd> kakalto: Wrong with XFRee86 is that the license is weird. This led to the mass exodus of most of the developers.
[12:01] <itay> I searched in packages.ubuntu.com and "apt-cache search", but I didn't find a new packaeg
[12:01] <itay> how do I get the curses library?
[12:01] <Kreiger> Well, actually, kent, i wanted to upgrade from warty to hoary
[12:01] <involved> itay, ncurses
[12:01] <Kreiger> can i do that in synaptic?
[12:02] <dwd> kakalto: X.org is under constant development, (it's just a fork), and has no licensing issues.
[12:02] <kakalto> ahk
[12:02] <ek_> you can do it in synaptics
[12:02] <pixil9> hmm
[12:02] <itay> involved, it's already installed
[12:02] <dwd> kakalto: It does pretties, basically. :-)
[12:02] <kent> Kreiger, Both mine and Bazzi's example work. His example is using vim, which is a kind of ugly editor, its hard to use for new users.  Just open the /etc/apt/sources.list file and change every "warty" into "hoary" and then run sudo apt-get update,  and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:03] <_axel> is nvdia fixed in hoary-release?
[12:03] <Bazzi> vim ain't ugly!
[12:03] <Kreiger> I'm changing all warty to hoary in synaptic
[12:03] <kent> _axel, everything is fixed in Hoary.
[12:03] <itay> how can I get the curses library or why configure doesn't find it?
[12:03] <_axel> kent: cool, thanks
[12:03] <krusbjorn> itay: you probably need the ncurses dev package
[12:03] <kev0r> any SciTE users here?
[12:04] <kent> _axel, as soon as a distrubution turns stable, it only gets security- and bug-fixes.
[12:04] <involved> Kreiger, yes.. just go to: settings-> repositories-> edit
[12:04] <nixbox> i cant lock my screen in ubuntu, i am pressing the lock button but it aint happenin?
[12:04] <gorilla_> _axel, I did a warty->hoary upgrade and that was the easiest way to fix the nvidia driver issue :-)
[12:04] <Atholas> I have created a 250MB swap partition when I install Ubuntu, but df shows that the swap partition mounted is only 5MB in size. Why is this?
[12:04] <_axel> kent: yes, i know that, but since nvidia was broken in rc1, i just wanted to make sure... dont feel like recompiling it myself again and etc
[12:04] <pixil9> Atholas, you messed up bad
[12:04] <kakalto> dwd, I realise what X does, I just wasn't sure what was up with XF86
[12:05] <pixil9> Atholas, Now your swap can never be bigger.. _ever_
[12:05] <dwd> Atholas: df shouldn't show a swap partition at all...
[12:05] <itay> this one: libncursesw5-dev?
[12:05] <dwd> kakalto: No, I mean there's *new* pretty stuff in X.org. :-) Like compositing.
[12:05] <itay> no. still have the error
[12:05] <krusbjorn> itay: i think it is the libncurses5-dev
[12:05] <kakalto> hehe
[12:05] <kakalto> *new* :D
[12:05] <Kreiger> from command line, how do i open sources.list?
[12:06] <dwd> Atholas: You sure you're not confusing swap with tmpfs? What does "free -m" say?
[12:06] <stazz> Is there any repositories with rapid updates available?
[12:06] <stazz> As in testing-repositories?
[12:06] <stazz> or some that will break my system if use them?
[12:06] <involved> Kreiger, you can do it in synaptic.. read what i told u
[12:06] <Atholas> dwd: 266MB
[12:06] <Kreiger> i got null errors
[12:06] <itay> thank you! It's working!
[12:06] <krusbjorn> itay: yay! :)
[12:06] <dwd> Atholas: What, free -m says you have 266M swap? Then you do. :-)
[12:07] <ek_> Kreiger, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:07] <stazz> and.. anyone know how to get involved with maintaining the repositories?
[12:07] <Kreiger> THANK you
[12:07] <kent> _axel, I had problems with nvidia during Hoary development (My tnt2-card could not use that driver) but I tried the driver when Hoary became stable and it works now. I have been running the nvidia driver with out problems..
[12:07] <kakalto> I like Xandros, they have a good idea, making "Great", "Good" and "Free" versions
[12:07] <ek_> Kreiger, in sources.list replace warty with hoary
[12:07] <dwd> Kreiger: Or sudo vi /etc/sources.list - Then type :%s/warty/hoary/g
[12:07] <Atholas> dwd: but why is it that the mount point of my swap partition is "none", and df shows that none is 5MB?
[12:08] <Kreiger> i did that, ek, now trying to remember how to save it
[12:08] <ek_> ctrl-X
[12:08] <dwd> Atholas: df doesn;t show swap. Swap isn't mounted, as such. df *does* show tmpfs, however, which you might be using. That'll just grow or shrink depending on what's used.
[12:09] <goo> Atholas: use the command free
[12:10] <dwd> Atholas: But tmpfs isn't swap, in case that's not clear. tmpfs is a scratch filesystem held in memory, used for things like lock files, POSIX shared memory, and other things you needn't care about much.
[12:10] <Atholas> dwd: This is quite strange. I got tmpfs, but also something called none in df.
[12:11] <dwd> Atholas: Yep, that's normal. WHere's it mounted? (The last column)
[12:11] <itay> /etc/modules.conf is /etc/modules in ubuntu?
[12:12] <Atholas> dwd: /dev. But /dev in turn is mounted on /.dev according to df.
[12:12] <dwd> Atholas: Oh, and do "df -Th", which'll print the filesystem type.
[12:12] <krusbjorn> itay: there is an modules.conf file too, right?
[12:12] <itay> no
[12:13] <Kreiger> how large is ubuntu hoary filesize wise?
[12:13] <krusbjorn> itay: thats strange, i have one
[12:13] <Choubaka> depends on what you install.
[12:13] <itay> itay@ubuntu:/etc/modutils$ cat /etc/mod
[12:13] <itay> modprobe.d/ modules     modutils/
[12:13] <dwd> Atholas: /dev is where the "special device files" live. Basically they're pretend files that just exist to make things like disks, memory, etc all look like files.
[12:13] <Kreiger> Well, i ran warty 4.10, and it seemed to install everything... but now i'm dist-upgrading from warty.
[12:14] <Kreiger> i'm on a 4 gb drive, to get unrusty before i format my xp drive, and i'm worried about space
[12:14] <dwd> Atholas: If you have something mounted there, it's probably devfs or some other magic filesystem. Technically a "virtual filesystem", meaning it doesn't exist on a disk anywhere.
[12:14] <Atholas> dwd: Ahh.. it is a tmpfs :) thanks a lot. It's just that totem doesn't want to run totally because I'm supposedly out of ram, and what I saw in df kind of make me suspect that the harddrive is partitioned incorrectly, which I simply let Ubuntu to take care of my harddrive.
[12:14] <goo> Gah. Why oh why doesn't paste into Firefox open the url i am pasting?
[12:15] <dwd> Atholas: Okay. free -m tells you about ram. You need to look at the second number in the second line, generally.
[12:16] <dwd> Atholas: The second number in the third line is how many M of swap you're using - that should be low.
[12:16] <Atholas> dwd: Thanks a lot dwd, you are great.
[12:16] <dwd> Atholas: I know. ;-)
[12:17] <Atholas> dwd: :) Just one more thing, what is this -/+ buffers/cache thing right underneath Mem?
[12:17] <pixil9> I don't really get free.. it says i'm using 100% ram but gkrellm says I'm using like 40%
[12:17] <dwd> Atholas: What's the error in Totem, exactly?
[12:18] <dwd> pixil9: Yes, both are correct. free -m tells you about total usage, including filesystem buffering, etc. This should be 100%. The second line tells you about memory not used for buffering and cache, which is the critical one.
[12:18] <Atholas> dwd: I ran it and it closes immediately. So I ran it under console to catch the error message and it says something like "insufficient resources" or something like that. Naturally I assume that it is because I'm running low on memory.
[12:18] <involved> is it possible to make keyboard shortcuts (edited by the gnome app) work with XMMS? it doesn't seem to work..
[12:18] <pixil9> ah neato.
[12:18] <pisuke> hi. any exif editor, something like easytag but for pics? googled and freshmeated but found nothing
[12:19] <kakalto> how does the codeweavers trial work?
[12:19] <dwd> Atholas: "insufficient resources" is a little vague... What's the actual text it prints? (Run it in a terminal window, highlight the text it prints, and middle-click on the IRC client.)
[12:20] <kakalto> bah
[12:20] <kakalto> I'm off
[12:22] <pixil9> what's a program i can use to wake on lan?
[12:22] <pixil9> i hate walking up 3 floors
[12:22] <pixil9> n/m found etherwake
[12:23] <Burgundavia> pisuke, gthumb may be able to do it
[12:23] <Burgundavia> dwd, if you see a bug, file it bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:23] <stazz> does anyone know where gnome saves the state of fonts rendered?
[12:26] <Atholas> dwd: I can't reproduce it again now. But I remember it said something about "BadAloc"
[12:26] <razorskin[504] > hi
[12:26] <Burgundavia> salut razorskin[504]
[12:27] <razorskin[504] > I have a question: how can i change the default windowmanager in gdm?
[12:28] <pixil9> Why the hell would you install ubuntu and not use gnome??
[12:28] <bit0> razorskin[504] , look at /etc/X11/default...
[12:28] <krusbjorn> razorskin: install your WM and then choose it under "sessions"
[12:28] <razorskin[504] > i will use window maker :)
[12:28] <Burgundavia> pixil9, because you want the polished interior?
[12:28] <krusbjorn> pixil9: because you are short of RAM?
[12:28] <pixil9> what do you mean?
[12:28] <pixil9> well wouldn't you just install debian lol.
[12:29] <Choubaka> pixil9: It's not the same thing.
[12:29] <pixil9> It is when apt-get x-window-system and the wm you need
[12:29] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is a lot more than just a usable gnome-system.
[12:29] <Choubaka> pixil9: no
[12:30] <pixil9> Well I have yet to see that
[12:30] <itay> I still have problems with the sound.....
[12:30] <itay> even after installing alsa from source
[12:30] <pixil9> itay: it's detected on boot?
[12:30] <itay> no
[12:31] <razorskin[504] > i want to change the login defaults to windowmaker because i want to login automatically
[12:31] <pixil9> ah
[12:31] <itay> now I have alsaconf
[12:31] <pixil9> Will alsa load a module for it?
[12:31] <itay> I change the /etc/modules and created /etc/modules.conf too
[12:32] <pixil9> what kind of card is it
[12:32] <Choubaka> pixil9: the difference between debian and ubuntu is that Ubuntu comes with up-to-date packages, but half of the packages don't get upgraded every other day like in debian unstable/sarge
[12:32] <itay> intel
[12:32] <Choubaka> and the default configuration is more suitable for desktop use.
[12:32] <pisuke> Burgundavia: with gthumb I just can change the date of editing, not the date the photo was taken
[12:32] <cartel_> i dont doubt debians qc process.. sarge will rock
[12:32] <cartel_> but it may rock too late
[12:32] <pixil9> itay: you've done all of the www.ubuntuguide.org stuff
[12:33] <pixil9> ?
[12:34] <pixil9> itay: I don't really know how alsa works but I thought your soundcard had to be loaded up at boot with a module of some sort
[12:34] <Weiss> cartel_, Choubaka: indeed... more than three YEARS between stable releases is a bit silly
[12:34] <itay> here is my modules and modules.conf: http://pastebin.com/273572
[12:34] <pixil9> sarge works fine the way it is
[12:34] <Choubaka> Of course it does.
[12:35] <Choubaka> but as of now you have to download 200MB of packages every week to keep it up-to-date
[12:35] <itay> http://pastebin.com/273573
[12:36] <Choubaka> That's why so many newbies come to the ubuntu channels asking "is it possible there's nothing to upgrade after I did apt-get update?"
[12:36] <pixil9> Whats the exact model of your soundcard?
[12:36] <pixil9> maybe it's not supported
[12:36] <itay> what should I do? install OSS??
[12:36] <razorskin[504] > ls
[12:36] <razorskin[504] > lol -.-
[12:37] <krusbjorn> itay: have you searched the forums carefully for people with similar problems?
[12:37] <itay> not in ubuntu forum
[12:37] <krusbjorn> itay: give it a try :)
[12:38] <itay> ok. i will. and why  not to install OSS?
[12:38] <pixil9> How can you list loaded modules?
[12:39] <lizdeika> lsmod
[12:40] <pixil9> itay: is alsa in /etc/init.d/
[12:40] <IIIEars> Hello!
[12:40] <IIIEars> Grub is giving me "Exit Code 18" - How do i fix it?
[12:41] <pixil9> hmm i need a cable to hookup my tvtuner
[12:41] <tomek> Hallo - I just got the following error while updating package list: "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:41] <tomek> Any hints ?
[12:42] <IIIEars> thats sounds pretty serious  tomek
[12:42] <cartel_> tomek: you may be behind a proxy giving you older copy of files
[12:42] <IIIEars> I would skip the upgrade for now.
[12:43] <itay> should I put soundcore in the modules?
[12:43] <tomek> IIIEars: well I just umarked universe and multiverse - wanting to ubdate list of packages and check for an update and got this...
[12:43] <cartel_> that way no cache....
[12:43] <pixil9> Can you get 5.1 sound?
[12:43] <pixil9> I just realized only my two front are working
[12:44] <cartel_> pixil9: maybe you will need to write the howto
[12:45] <pixil9> ?
[12:45] <itay> should I put soundcore in the modules?
[12:45] <tomek> cartel_: I am behind a proxy - so I should just wait for the proxy to update its cache - or I can do something about that ?
[12:45] <involved> bye*
[12:48] <Puckaroo> hi, i have a tiny problem with my tvcard, can anyone help please?
[12:50] <Puckaroo> hi? anyone around ?
[12:51] <Seveas> no :)
[12:51] <Puckaroo> lol
[12:51] <tomek> A diffrent thing: I am still having some minor problems with firefox - e.g. "Plugin Finder Service" dialog is broken - no text on buttons and basicly no reacting to anything - had anybody similar problems ?
[12:51] <Puckaroo> hi can you help me please, my tvcard down't seem to wanna work
[12:52] <pixil9> Puckaroo: is it in dmesg?
[12:52] <Puckaroo> it used to but i just started xawtv and i get sound but no image
[12:52] <Puckaroo> what is dmesg?
[12:52] <Puckaroo> sorry i'm pretty new to this
[12:52] <pixil9> dmesg > temp
[12:52] <MachineScrew> dmesg prints out the kernel boot up log
[12:52] <pixil9> pico temp
[12:52] <pixil9> look for the card
[12:53] <krusbjorn> tomek: even if that dialog would work, you probably wouldnt be able to find any plug-ins with it ;P basically you have to install most plugins manually
[12:53] <pixil9> bttv0: Bt878 (rev 17) at 0000:00:09.0, irq: 5, latency: 32, mmio: 0xef001000
[12:53] <pixil9> bttv0: detected: Hauppauge WinTV [card=10] , PCI subsystem ID is 0070:13eb
[12:53] <pixil9> that's mine
[12:53] <MachineScrew> how is ubuntu compared to FC3
[12:53] <pixil9> MachineScrew, Ubuntu is amazing. I switched from windows because of it
[12:53] <Puckaroo> i'm searching just a sec
[12:53] <MachineScrew> I that what I heard
[12:54] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, the major differences are apt
[12:54] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, as well as being the only product of canonical
[12:54] <MachineScrew> I have apt in FC
[12:54] <MyNameIsChris> MachineScrew, Sys. configuration is more difficult
[12:54] <Burgundavia> good sensible defaults
[12:54] <MachineScrew> in Ubuntu
[12:55] <MachineScrew> Ok has any one tried it on a laptop
[12:55] <Puckaroo> i can't seem to find it
[12:55] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, is very good on a latop
[12:55] <dazed> MachineScrew: i use it on a laptop daily
[12:55] <pixil9> Well it's probably not detected then.
[12:55] <Puckaroo> but it was working yesterday and i didn't touch anything
[12:55] <pixil9> o.
[12:55] <pixil9> haha
[12:56] <MachineScrew> hmm
[12:56] <tahorg> looks like evolution is still broken in breezy :)
[12:56] <pixil9> reseat it or something
[12:56] <tomek> krusbjorn: meaby - but it should work anyway
[12:56] <pixil9> lol
[12:56] <Seveas> tahorg, broken in what way?
[12:56] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, having used both, I would recommend ubuntu
[12:56] <Puckaroo> and how do i do that
[12:56] <MachineScrew> I am just concerned about my WiFi
[12:56] <tahorg> Seveas: it doesn't install
[12:56] <tahorg>   evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:56] <tahorg>              Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:56] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, I would try the livecd
[12:57] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, the livecd and the install have the same hardware detection
[12:57] <dazed> MachineScrew: i got wifi on my laptop took some settingup but...damn its linux and its going to do that on any dist...so might as well be ubu
[12:57] <tahorg> I forced installation of libcamel1.2-3_1.2.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:57] <tahorg> but it still yields at me
[12:57] <tahorg>   evolution-data-server: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:57] <Seveas> then just wait for it to be fixed :)
[12:57] <carambol> i want to go back to ubuntu as default...how to do that?
[12:57] <tahorg> (which is really strange)
[12:57] <dazed> tahorg: do apt-get -f install gets ur dependencies
[12:57] <Burgundavia> carambol, in what program? grub?
[12:57] <MachineScrew> it was damned easy in FC it just works
[12:57] <Seveas> i'm sticking to hoary for the time being
[12:57] <carambol> yep
[12:57] <tahorg> dazed: already tried
[12:57] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, it should in Ubuntu as well
[12:58] <dazed> tahorg: hmmmm
[12:58] <MachineScrew> but in SuSE it is a pain in the german ass
[12:58] <carambol> Burgundavia...iam in Breezy
[12:58] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, hardware detection cross-distro is odd
[12:58] <Burgundavia> carambol, hmm, brave of you
[12:58] <MachineScrew> ya that is what I am wondering
[12:59] <carambol> :) no probs sofar
[12:59] <dazed> not brave...its too new to have problems yet
[12:59] <MachineScrew> so the live ISO is the way to go for now
[12:59] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, try the livecd, if it works there, it should work in the install
[12:59] <dazed> MachineScrew: id doo the full install
[12:59] <carambol> Burgundavia ..Grub,yep
[12:59] <dazed> lol
[12:59] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:00] <Burgundavia> carambol, hmm, dig in your menu.lst in /boot/grub
[01:00] <carambol> ok
[01:00] <MachineScrew> what about unneeded progams and services
[01:00] <IIIEars> hm - cfdisk has created partitions 1,  , 3, 4, 5, - Why is that?
[01:00] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, no open ports by default
[01:00] <carambol> so as evlm
[01:00] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, only one program for each task by default
[01:00] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, sudo by default
[01:01] <MachineScrew> I hate having to remove all the shit progs
[01:01] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, no installer by default
[01:01] <Handyman> hi. could any of you be so kind as to send me the init.d/sendmail-script please?
[01:01] <Choubaka> Hm.
[01:01] <Choubaka> Grub is confusing :(
[01:01] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, sorry, no compiler by default
[01:01] <Choubaka> I wonder if there's a way to make splashy work with lilo
[01:02] <IIIEars> lol and i am new to linux - grin
[01:02] <carambol> if have install opera8...how to get it in the menu?
[01:02] <carambol> if=i
[01:02] <tahorg> Choubaka: why still use lilo ? grub is so better
[01:02] <Choubaka> Why is it better?
[01:02] <MachineScrew> damn so how many pkgs (and dependencies) am I going to apt here after install
[01:02] <Choubaka> Lilo is a lot easier to use.
[01:02] <tahorg> Choubaka: it has a cli interface
[01:02] <sobersabre> how can i import my mail from thunderbird into evolution ? is there a converter ?
[01:03] <Burgundavia> carambol, look in the 3rd party tools on the ubuntu forums for a the menu editor
[01:03] <Choubaka> tahorg: so?
[01:03] <tahorg> Choubaka: when you screw the config file, it still runs
[01:03] <carambol> ok
[01:03] <Choubaka> I don't understand crap about grub's config.
[01:03] <tahorg> Choubaka: you don't stay stucked to a LI thingy
[01:03] <MachineScrew> man grub
[01:03] <MachineScrew> then it will become clear
[01:03] <MachineScrew> (not)
[01:04] <MachineScrew> lol
[01:04] <Choubaka> not.
[01:04] <tahorg> Choubaka: it's not harder than lilo at all
[01:04] <Choubaka> ok
[01:04] <sobersabre> how can i extract mail from thunderbird into evolution ?
[01:04] <IIIEars> lol - man shows me everything i -can- do with it but it won't tell me what i should do. - rofl
[01:04] <MachineScrew> it realy isn't
[01:04] <Choubaka> so explain to me wtf is hd(0,1) and whatever.
[01:04] <sobersabre> Choubaka, it is /dev/hda2
[01:04] <MachineScrew> hd is hard drive
[01:04] <tahorg> (hd0,1) == hda2
[01:05] <Choubaka> What's wrong with the traditional /dev/* system?
[01:05] <MachineScrew> 0 is the first partion
[01:05] <sobersabre> hd(1,0) is /dev/hdb1
[01:05] <MachineScrew> hell in FC its worse
[01:05] <tahorg> Choubaka: grub is compatible with lots of OS
[01:05] <sobersabre> Choubaka, traditional /dev/ naming sux.
[01:05] <sobersabre> :)
[01:05] <Choubaka> also, hmm
[01:05] <tahorg> Choubaka: only linux uses the hda(x) naming
[01:05] <IIIEars> i have something up with the disk cfdisk didn't sequentially ordered partitions and omitted partition 2 in the numbering.
[01:06] <sobersabre> anybody: ideas on how can i extract mail from thunderbird into evolution ?
[01:06] <sobersabre> except sending it over gmail.
[01:07] <no0tic> I found this line on my boot log: localhost kernel: ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[01:07] <MachineScrew> it dosn't matter about partition numbering it will work
[01:07] <stazz> my firefox can't do the middle-mouse-paste-thingie, as in, if I have a link at clipboard, and press middlemouse to the html-rendering-area, it doesn't open it, why is this?
[01:07] <no0tic> what does it mean?
[01:07] <tahorg> sobersabre: ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/(some_random_name)/Mail/Local Folders/
[01:07] <Choubaka> how can I pass an "hda=stroke" parameter with grub?
[01:08] <Choubaka> like I do with lilo with the "append" stanza
[01:08] <sobersabre> tahorg, you mean cp ?
[01:08] <sobersabre> ?!?!?!?!
[01:08] <tahorg> sobersabre: there is an Inbox.sbd/Inbox IIRC which is mailbox formt
[01:08] <matt1987> hello can anyoen tell me how to insta winamp its a .bin file
[01:08] <MachineScrew> no0tic: thunderbird is posesed. actualy do you have Emulate 3rd button in your xorg.conf
[01:08] <tahorg> sobersabre: you can drag'n'drop it in evo
[01:09] <MachineScrew> matt: is winamp execuatble
[01:09] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I haven't asked that
[01:09] <sobersabre> tahorg, i don't need inbox. it is on server. i need folders. so are they in the same format ?
[01:09] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I found this line on my boot log: localhost kernel: ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[01:10] <MachineScrew> oh my bad
[01:10] <sobersabre> there's mailbox, maildir etc. who is using which ?
[01:10] <krusbjorn> no0tic: i think acpi is some laptop stuff - battery and thermal information, lid closure and stuff like that...i think :P
[01:10] <matt1987> yes it is
[01:10] <no0tic> krusbjorn: I know, but in some way connected to processor?
[01:10] <MachineScrew> matt then just run ./winamp.bin in a console
[01:10] <tahorg> sobersabre: mailbox is a big file with all the mails concatenated
[01:10] <jbailey> no0tic: That's alright.
[01:11] <no0tic> krusbjorn: 'cause it has problem detecting cpu freq
[01:11] <jbailey> no0tic: If you're on a laptop, you can modify your DSDT table by placing it in a special place and it will get picked up.
[01:11] <Choubaka> hm
[01:11] <jbailey> no0tic: That message is just saying that you haven't done that.
[01:11] <MachineScrew> where did you find the winamp.bin
[01:11] <MachineScrew> what is it
[01:11] <MachineScrew> can't be winamp
[01:12] <Choubaka> Why not?
[01:12] <Choubaka> There's a crappy pre-alpha winamp linux port that has been abandoned. :)
[01:13] <MachineScrew> I didn't think that winamp was made for linux
[01:13] <sobersabre> tahorg, so ... how all your info helps me now ? :)
[01:13] <IIIEars> where is grub located?
[01:13] <MachineScrew> just use XMMS
[01:13] <no0tic> jbailey: but it refers to cpu? it can be the reason why my cpu freq is not rightly detected?
[01:13] <matt1987> look on google :winamp for linux
[01:13] <Choubaka> tahorg: can you help me?
[01:13] <sobersabre> i know where the email is stored on both programs. i don't want to cat & grep it manually.
[01:13] <IIIEars> er the configuration file...
[01:13] <MachineScrew> i di
[01:13] <MachineScrew> d
[01:13] <Choubaka> how do I give kernel parameters using grub?
[01:13] <Seveas> IIIEars, in /boot/grub and on the first 512 bytes of your harddik
[01:13] <Seveas> IIIEars, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:13] <IIIEars> Great! - Thanks :)
[01:13] <tahorg> Choubaka: winamp on linux is called xmms
[01:14] <Seveas> tahorg, or beep
[01:14] <Seveas> (gnome xmms port)
[01:14] <Choubaka> tahorg: ehh
[01:14] <Choubaka> There's a Winamp for Linux too
[01:14] <tahorg> Seveas: beep is gtk2 not gnome
[01:14] <matt1987> http://www.dawnload.net/alternative_platforms/linux_software/winamp_for_linux.cfm
[01:14] <Choubaka> But it's crappy, and it doesn't run.
[01:14] <eruin> ugh
[01:14] <Choubaka> so don't use it
[01:15] <Seveas> tahorg, same difference ;)
[01:15] <Choubaka> :D
[01:15] <eruin> how do I put the output of a command in a text file?
[01:15] <eruin> :-)
[01:15] <Choubaka> Seveas: XMMS is for gnome too :p
[01:15] <Seveas> (and yes i know the difference tahorg)
[01:15] <Kreiger> hokay
[01:15] <Kreiger> i BELIEVE hoary is up.
[01:15] <tahorg> Seveas:  xmms is gtk1.2
[01:15] <Seveas> Choubaka, sure, all X apps run with gnome
[01:15] <MachineScrew> ls > textfile.txt
[01:15] <tahorg> Seveas: it's as much a gnome app as beep :)
[01:15] <Seveas> ah
[01:15] <Choubaka> Seveas: XMMS was made using GTK 1.2
[01:15] <Seveas> ok, my bad
[01:15] <Choubaka> and Beep was made using GTK 2.0
[01:16] <Seveas> still, xmms is uglier than beep :)
[01:16] <Choubaka> yes
[01:16] <MachineScrew> eruin did you get that
[01:16] <Choubaka> But more stable :P
[01:16] <Choubaka> now, I shall not use grub is someone isn't going to point me to documentation :(
[01:16] <ups> eruin, cmd > file ;)
[01:16] <Choubaka> or tell me how I can pass a kernel parameter using grub.
[01:17] <MachineScrew> damn dude what do you need to no
[01:17] <MachineScrew> w
[01:17] <eruin> thanks MachineScrew, ups ;-(
[01:17] <Seveas> Choubaka, add it on the kernel command line...
[01:17] <eruin> (supposed to be a smile)
[01:17] <ups> :)
[01:17] <Choubaka> Seveas: What command line?
[01:17] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:17] <MachineScrew> the one with the kernel in it
[01:17] <Seveas> the line that says kernel /boot/vmlinuz-something root=/dev/hdX
[01:17] <Choubaka> Ahh
[01:17] <tahorg> sobersabre: I have just tried tb, you should be able to import your folders in evo witout problems
[01:17] <Choubaka> right!
[01:17] <MachineScrew> ya thats it
[01:17] <Seveas> change it to kernel /boot/vmlinuz-something root=/dev/hdX YOUR_PARAM
[01:19] <MachineScrew> I am scared of Ubuntu I don't want another gentoo
[01:19] <Seveas> Choubaka: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-legacy-support.en.html
[01:19] <Seveas> the docs :)
[01:19] <tahorg> and initrd /path/to/initrd
[01:19] <Choubaka> ok.
[01:19] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:19] <MachineScrew> I have been the hard way
[01:19] <Choubaka> now if I could access splashy wiki -_-
[01:19] <krusbjorn> machinescrew: if you want to add the output of a command at the end of a textfile, what is the command then?
[01:19] <MachineScrew> I have had to manualy install pakages back in 95
[01:20] <goo> MachineScrew: I just switched from Gentoo, and Ubuntu is _no_gentoo_ :) Everything Just  Works [tm]
[01:20] <MachineScrew> I think it was Plug and Play Linux
[01:20] <goo> krusbjorn:  command >> textfile.txt
[01:20] <krusbjorn> thanks goo
[01:20] <steve_> same here switch from gentoo this morning taken me a ew hours but got everything working as i had it under gentoo
[01:21] <goo> krusbjorn: beware:  only one >  will overwrite the file...
[01:21] <MachineScrew> I don't want to be downloading a gig of pkgs eather as it is under fedora I downloded 200mb of packages
[01:21] <krusbjorn> nod, i noticed that. thats the reason i asked the latter question ;)
[01:22] <no0tic> where could be the reason why the kernel doesn't recognize correctly my cpu freq? warty's kernel was working...
[01:22] <goo> steve_: yeah, I had to make one symlink, move one apache config file and cp /usr/local/bin/* and off I went. Everything took less time than emerging 10% of ximian-openoffice, and it, well, Just Works [tm]  :) I am fairly impressed.
[01:22] <tahorg> no0tic: laptop ?
[01:22] <no0tic> tahorg: yes
[01:23] <MachineScrew> what is the cpu
[01:23] <IIIEars> "" Kudos to the developers :)
[01:23] <MachineScrew> no0tic
[01:23] <goo> Only annoying thing is not being able to paste urls into Firefox.
[01:23] <seeker> does anyone know how to *manually* edit the app menu under gnome?
[01:23] <no0tic> MachineScrew, tahorg : AMD Athlon XP 2800+
[01:23] <tahorg> seeker: you can't
[01:23] <goo> IIIEars: Totally :)
[01:23] <no0tic> MachineScrew, tahorg : max freq recognized 796Mhz
[01:23] <MachineScrew> what module is used
[01:23] <seeker> tahorg, why not?
[01:24] <no0tic> MachineScrew, tahorg : powernow_k7
[01:24] <MachineScrew> right
[01:24] <tahorg> seeker: sorry I thought you were talking about menu in applications
[01:24] <seeker> I am - application menu at the top of the screen...
[01:24] <tahorg> seeker: there used to be a applications:// in nautilus, but now I don't know :(
[01:24] <MachineScrew> ok on mine i just had to uncomment a line and now it gose from 250 to 2ghz
[01:25] <IIIEars> Seeing the external already mounted and waiting for me on the desktop was a revelation - then my printer - nearly fell out of my chair. - and Ubuntu is fast
[01:25] <no0tic> MachineScrew: it scales normally but it doesn't show correct freq values
[01:25] <MachineScrew> hmm
[01:25] <seeker> the menu has some bugs. I can't make the changes through the edditor app under system tools, so I figured I might try it manually
[01:25] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I noticed it controlling temperature
[01:26] <MachineScrew> what command are you running to find out its wrong
[01:26] <bluewheel> on ppc when doing configure i get the following error, what package am i missing, i remember hearing it was something non standard
[01:26] <bluewheel> ?
[01:26] <bluewheel> configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.
[01:26] <lenovo> hello, everyone.
[01:26] <no0tic> MachineScrew: first, the panel applet
[01:26] <MachineScrew> ok that i have
[01:26] <MachineScrew> its nice
[01:27] <no0tic> MachineScrew: in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq  files
[01:28] <MachineScrew> what file do you look at
[01:28] <wdh> does anyone here have any experience getting an external harddrive working which is connected through the parallel port?
[01:28] <no0tic> MachineScrew: what line did you decomment?
[01:28] <MachineScrew> no0tic: do you have cpuspeed.conf
[01:29] <no0tic> MachineScrew: in what di?
[01:29] <no0tic> MachineScrew: dir?
[01:29] <davux> hi :)
[01:29] <MachineScrew> in "/etc
[01:30] <no0tic> MachineScrew: not in /etc, I'm searching in subdir
[01:30] <davux> Who should I tell about a problem in http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:30] <no0tic> MachineScrew: no
[01:30] <davux> Whom*
[01:30] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I haven't a file named cpuspeed.conf
[01:31] <MachineScrew> ok see I am still wating on Ubuntu CDs i am going from Fedora and I have noticed that every one else dosn't use cpuspeed
[01:31] <MachineScrew> only fedora
[01:31] <krusbjorn> davux: probably the webmaster of the official ubuntu webpage
[01:31] <MachineScrew> hold on though I know where to find your soloution
[01:31] <davux> krusbjorn: Do you know how I can contact her/him?
[01:32] <MachineScrew> what is the mfg and model of you LT
[01:32] <IIIEars> does Ubuntu do CPU scaling? when the workload is higher?
[01:32] <no0tic> MachineScrew: thank a lot
[01:32] <Bazzi> IIIEars yes
[01:32] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, if the cpu supports it
[01:32] <wdh> davux, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback ??
[01:32] <no0tic> MachineScrew: Acer Aspire 1356LMi
[01:32] <krusbjorn> davus: my guess is someone in here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback
[01:33] <krusbjorn> davux* sorry
[01:33] <davux> krusbjorn, wdh: Thanks.
[01:33] <no0tic> MachineScrew: could you please call me by nick? so I can read better our conversation :)
[01:34] <goo> IIIEars: I don't remember wether or not powernowd (which does CPU scaling) was installed by default or not.
[01:34] <petemc> it is
[01:34] <Burgundavia> goo, IIIEars it is and it is enabled by default
[01:34] <no0tic> goo: on laptop it is
[01:34] <Burgundavia> on all machines
[01:35] <goo> Allright, great :)
[01:35] <krusbjorn> goo: it was
[01:35] <krusbjorn> oh, a bit late there ;P
[01:36] <goo> :)
[01:36] <davux> bye everybody :)
[01:37] <MachineScrew> no0tic: http://flaez.ch/dab/aspire_1315lm.html seem to have a script that works for cpu throtaling for AMD XP
[01:37] <no0tic> MachineScrew: thanks a lot
[01:38] <MachineScrew> no0tice: scroll down and you will see ACPI
[01:39] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I read, but it talks about powernowd, which is installed and started here...
[01:39] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:39] <MachineScrew> no0tic: still looking for more
[01:40] <sobersabre> tahorg, i don't understand. you have taken a tb mail folder and brought it into evo ?!?!
[01:40] <queuetue> Does anyone know how I can get the Windows media Audio Voice Codec installed for totem?
[01:40] <sobersabre> how did you do this ?
[01:43] <Choubaka> Hmm
[01:43] <Burgundavia> queuetue, you need gstreamer-plugins
[01:43] <Choubaka> Bootsplash works now, but the VTYs become garbled.
[01:43] <Burgundavia> queuetue, which will get all the codecs/plugins you need
[01:43] <nnonix> queu: install the marillat repository and apt-get install w32codecs
[01:43] <tahorg> sobersabre: my evo's broken
[01:43] <Burgundavia> nnonix, w32codecs is only for totem-xine
[01:44] <Choubaka> I bet it's conflicting with the nvidia driver.
[01:44] <nnonix> worked for me
[01:44] <tahorg> sobersabre: in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/(bla)/Mail/Local\ Folder/
[01:44] <sobersabre> tahorg, WTF are you talking about ...
[01:44] <sobersabre> thanks, man
[01:44] <tahorg> sobersabre: you have all the folders you have created
[01:44] <queuetue> Burgundavia, It says already installed.  (trying to play xm radio online via firefox, usubng (I believe) totem plugin)
[01:45] <tahorg> sobersabre: named my_folder.sbd
[01:45] <Burgundavia> queuetue, then get totem-xine and the w32codecs
[01:45] <queuetue> nnonix, I have w32codecs installed as well.
[01:45] <queuetue> totem-xine?
[01:45] <sobersabre> this chat is so limited to express what i need to do. i have old mail in tb. i need this mail to be seen in evo. do you read me ?
[01:45] <tahorg> sobersabre: inside there is a file named 'my_folder'
[01:45] <sobersabre> tahorg, i have been to that folder.
[01:45] <queuetue> Burgundavia, Already installed.
[01:45] <tahorg> sobersabre: drag'n'drop this file inside evolution
[01:46] <Burgundavia> queuetue, then it should work
[01:46] <queuetue> Burgundavia, It doesn't ... What else could be missing?
[01:46] <tahorg> sobersabre: it should work, but I can't try for now, my evolution is broken
[01:46] <queuetue> "Totem could not play 'http://player.xmradio.com/hotstream/metafile.jsp?ch=null&speed=null&s=1113997586944&e=1113997601944&h=982f7ab7188465f8a80c9b7b839e0576'." - there is no plugin to handle this movie
[01:46] <Burgundavia> queuetue, confirmed totem-xine and w32codecs?
[01:47] <no0tic> MachineScrew: if you find something post it in pvt, coz I going away for a while...
[01:47] <Kreiger> how do i kill a process?
[01:48] <MachineScrew> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_PowerNow!
[01:48] <queuetue> Burgundavia, Yes, I have.
[01:48] <Burgundavia> queuetue, hmm, odd
[01:48] <krusbjorn> kreiger: either killall -9 <process> or run "xkill" and click the program
[01:48] <Kreiger> danke
[01:55] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[01:55] <Choubaka> Perhaps I should compile a new kernel with vesafb-ng
[01:55] <Choubaka> or does Ubuntu already integrate that?
[01:56] <queuetue> totem really seems pretty immature and flaky... Is there some other tool I could be using for this?
[01:57] <krusbjorn> for what?
[01:57] <Choubaka> queuetue: I don't think it's flaky... But you can try vlc
[01:58] <queuetue> Choubaka, How do I get rid of the totem plugin, so they d not fight?  Do I have to uninstal it, or is there a switcher?
[01:58] <Burgundavia> queuetue, vlc and xine are popular
[01:58] <Choubaka> ahh, you want a plugin?
[01:58] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:58] <lizdeika> whats bad about totem ?
[01:59] <krusbjorn> i use the mplayer plugin. works like a charm.
[01:59] <queuetue> lizdeika, a) it's not playing what I want it to, and b, it feels unstable and flaky.
[01:59] <Kreiger> Anybody having any trouble with the marilliat ftp?
[01:59] <queuetue> krusbjorn, If I try to install mplayer, I get all kinds of conflicts.
[01:59] <Kreiger> i keep getting an internal server error
[02:00] <Kreiger> queuetue, i have the same thing, my mplayer freezes if i try to play an mp3 file
[02:00] <lizdeika> queuetue: what exactly its not playing ?
[02:00] <Kreiger> xmms also
[02:00] <Kreiger> it runs in totem tho
[02:01] <Fulg> anyone knows how to install hotkeys to a compaq laptop?????or where to find some docs ?
[02:01] <queuetue> lizdeika, in this case, an xm radio streaming broadcast.
[02:01] <stuNNed> ugh, is there any way to force fsck at boot?
[02:02] <queuetue> lizdeika, But, mostly anything that isn't made specifically for playing in linux, I find totem can't play it.
[02:02] <lizdeika> weird
[02:02] <lizdeika> didnt try streaming but it plays avi,mpg,wmv,asf for me
[02:03] <IIIEars> que - any luck with adding decss to totem is it worht the effort?
[02:03] <Xappe> queuetue: i unpacked the essential codec pack from the mplayer site into ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[02:03] <Fulg> anyone knows how to install hotkeys to a compaq laptop?????or where to find some docs ?
[02:03] <queuetue> Xappe, Tried that, didn't do a thing.
[02:04] <XandriX> are there any founders of ubuntu present ?
[02:05] <queuetue> And 'There is no plugin to handle this movie" sucks as an error message - what codec does it want?
[02:05] <Burgundavia> XandriX, I am not one, but what do you wish to know
[02:06] <XandriX> If ubuntu would accept to sponsor lightly my company cu zi am packaging machines and servers with ubuntu i should be recieving my cds soon
[02:06] <lizdeika> queuetue: must agree with you about error msg :)
[02:06] <Burgundavia> XandriX, you would want to email jdub about that
[02:06] <Kreiger> lizdeika, i can't even PLAY anything in anyhing but xmms
[02:06] <Kreiger> i mean totem
[02:07] <Kreiger> argh
[02:07] <Kreiger> no
[02:07] <Kreiger> sleep
[02:07] <XandriX> Burgundavia, can u pm me his email
[02:07] <XandriX> jdub, u there ?
[02:07] <IIIEars> Bah - Krieger sleep is for people without an internet connection - lol
[02:08] <Kreiger> Well, i'd LIKE to be able to play movies or something
[02:08] <Kreiger> this is very, very very annoying
[02:08] <Lemonzest> anyone know if the nvidia nforce drivers work on horey?
[02:08] <lizdeika> do you have w32codecs ?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Kreiger, have you installed gstreamer-plugins? or w32codecs for totem-xine
[02:08] <Kreiger> Lemonzest, i installed them
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Lemonzest, yes, I believe they do
[02:08] <XandriX> Burgundavia, can u pm me his email plz
[02:09] <Kreiger> Burgundavia, i apt-got them both
[02:09] <Choubaka> Why is it few people seem to be able to spell Hoary correctly? :D
[02:09] <Kreiger> whorey
[02:09] <Kreiger> lol
[02:09] <IIIEars> "" - i hunted around for decss found it and then becuase i am too new to linux couldn't figure out how to install it. - sigh.
[02:09] <Burgundavia> XandriX, he is frequently in here or in #ubuntu-devel I woudl ask there first
[02:09] <Lemonzest> i normaly call it all Bunty :P
[02:10] <lizdeika> i like Breezy as name
[02:10] <Lemonzest> how do i get firefox 1.03? last time i looked it wasnt on
[02:10] <Kreiger> burgun, i DID have all of the repositories open. perhaps i installed some borked versions?
[02:10] <Burgundavia> Kreiger, shouldn
[02:10] <XandriX> Burgundavia, hes nto there
[02:10] <Burgundavia> XandriX, keep trying
[02:10] <IIIEars> Is "borked" the technical terminology? - grin
[02:11] <Kreiger> IIIEars, yes.
[02:11] <gorilla_> IIIEars, yes it is :-)
[02:11] <Kreiger> Borked is not broken, borked is not yet fixed
[02:11] <IIIEars> heh
[02:11] <lizdeika> aka "totally f***d up" :)
[02:11] <Kreiger> No, Broken is when something is dead
[02:11] <Kreiger> borked means it's under construction
[02:11] <Kreiger> i guess
[02:12] <Kreiger> Anyway, i'd LIKE to play my music in something besides totem
[02:12] <Kreiger> my porn would also be nice
[02:12] <Kreiger> <_<
[02:12] <lizdeika> music ?
[02:12] <Kreiger> Yes
[02:12] <Kreiger> Music
[02:12] <lizdeika> totem is not for music
[02:12] <Kreiger> Well, it's what playes it
[02:12] <Kreiger> plays*
[02:12] <Kreiger> nothing else plays my mp3's
[02:12] <Kreiger> everything freezes
[02:12] <Fab_> xmms does
[02:12] <Fulg> anyone knows how to install hotkeys to a compaq laptop?????or where to find some docs ?
[02:12] <queuetue> then why does it keep trying to be my music player?
[02:12] <Kreiger> tried it. it freezes it, fab_
[02:12] <Kreiger> i have to xkill
[02:13] <krusbjorn> kreiger: i guess you tried rhythmbox and muine too?
[02:13] <Fab_> esd/alsa/jack/ ?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> queuetue, borked choices in gnome
[02:13] <Kreiger> I didn't try those, no.
[02:13] <Kreiger> how do i switch?
[02:13] <Kreiger> krusbjorn, no. i have not.
[02:13] <krusbjorn> rhythmbox is already there, just run it and pray
[02:13] <Fab_> system -> settings -> multimedia
[02:13] <IIIEars> streamtuner (repository) and xmms even records to mp3s - (going to need a new disk soon- lol)
[02:14] <Kreiger> i have rhythmbox not
[02:14] <Fab_> kreiger: although i have to admit sound under linux can be quite tricky ;)
[02:14] <Kreiger> nvm
[02:14] <Kreiger> lol
[02:14] <XandriX> Burgundavia, hes not there as in like honeymoon
[02:14] <IIIEars> it is reminiscent of windows 3.1
[02:14] <b0ol> can someone tell me where i can find the mkdev.sh ?
[02:14] <Burgundavia> XandriX, indeed, the man just got married
[02:14] <wdh> Fulg, system -> prefs -> shortcuts ?
[02:15] <wdh> Fulg, system -> prefs -> Keyboard shortcuts ?
[02:15] <IIIEars> you have to cross your fingers and hold your mouth just right for everything to work
[02:15] <queuetue> Sound and printing under linux are both still pure voodoo.
[02:15] <Kreiger> huh
[02:15] <Kreiger> Well, it is quite possible because the mp3's are on an ntfs drive
[02:15] <Kreiger> but totem plays them quite well
[02:15] <Kreiger> which is odd
[02:15] <b0ol> can someone tell me where i can find the mkdev.sh ?
[02:16] <gordonjcp> queuetue: nonsense
[02:16] <lizdeika> whats that ?
[02:16] <lizdeika> b0ol: whats that ?
[02:16] <b0ol> a file which belongs to the lm-sensors source
[02:16] <Kreiger> hrm
[02:16] <Kreiger> what's a good place to store my music?
[02:17] <krusbjorn> ~/Music?
[02:17] <lizdeika> :))
[02:17] <Kreiger> i mean, in media?
[02:17] <Kreiger> or in /usr/?
[02:17] <kynes> hi
[02:17] <goldfish> hrmm...
[02:17] <IIIEars> i like a external fat32 USB drive
[02:17] <Xappe> Kreiger: so, did you choose esd as output for the other players you tried?
[02:17] <goldfish> haha
[02:17] <Kreiger> No. i did not.
[02:17] <Kreiger> how do i do that?
[02:17] <goldfish> I have mine on a fat32 external hd funnily enough :)
[02:17] <kynes> I have a problem in ubuntu
[02:17] <krusbjorn> goldfish: likewise ;P
[02:17] <Fulg> well wdh ,
[02:17] <Fulg> it works
[02:17] <Fulg> :D
[02:18] <goldfish> hehe