[19:00] <alumn> leftyfb: I thought that the ext4 journal would record updates like that, which I might be able to review with `debugfs` or similar.
[19:01] <matjam> alumn: no, you would need to have enabled auditd
[19:02] <PsychoBoB> ?
[19:04] <bashM0nk3y> couldn't this info be accessed through the system logs if configured correctly?
[19:05] <alumn> bashM0nk3y: What specifically do you have in mind?
[19:05] <matjam> bashM0nk3y: thats what auditd does
[19:05] <matjam> http://xmodulo.com/how-to-monitor-file-access-on-linux.html
[19:05] <bashM0nk3y> whats the difference between auditd and journald?
[19:06] <bashM0nk3y> alumn: im no expert just spit-balling so to speak
[19:07] <matjam> auditd is for auditing any system event. journald is part of systemd.
[19:07] <matjam> systemd controls processes running, and journald logs events related to process control.
[19:09] <bashM0nk3y> ahhh.. good info
[19:09] <matjam> this is not to be confused with a filesystem journal, which journals writes to the filesystem such that filesystem consistency can be reconstructed by replaying the filesystem journal.
[19:10] <alumn> matjam: Is it possible that the access i'm interested in is recorded in the filesystem journal history?
[19:10] <bashM0nk3y> is auditd included in typical ubuntu repos?
[19:10] <leftyfb> alumn: no
[19:10] <bashM0nk3y> i see that its in my repos on 16.04 but not installed by default
[19:11] <AlexPortable> Any ETA on 18.04.1 ?
[19:11] <kostkon> AlexPortable, july
[19:11] <alumn> One more shot. I believe `acct` was enabled during the time that the file was copied, but _after_ the period I'm interested in. Might there be any indication of what the last-accessed timestamp was at the time that I know it was copied, e.g. if `acct` recorded 'changed last-accessed timestamp from XX:XX:XX to YY:YY:YY'?
[19:11] <bashM0nk3y> i ran into a serious bug in mate 18.04 so ill be on 16.x for the forseeable future
[19:11] <AlexPortable> any way i should wait for 18.04.1 ?
[19:11] <matjam> AlexPortable: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[19:12] <leftyfb> AlexPortable: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | AlexPortable
[19:12] <ioria> alumn, ls -ltu will tell you the last file opened, but cp is anothe thing
[19:12] <bashM0nk3y> 'mate-indicator-applet' would suck up free RAM at the rate of about 1MB per sec or so
[19:13] <alumn> ioria: As I understand it, `ls -ltu`  shows the time that the file was copied. I want to know if it was accessed during the week _before_ it was copied.
[19:13] <matjam> alumn: that information is lost
[19:13] <ioria> alumn, nope, when has been opened (not copied)
[19:13] <RoadRunner> trying to reduce size of lvm partition but vgs reports Vsize is still 74G https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qrXGngFbxd/ what to try next?
[19:14] <alumn> ioria: copying a file opens it, no?
[19:14] <ioria> alumn, nope
[19:16] <alumn> ioria: it seems to.
[19:16] <alumn> just tried it
[19:16] <nikolasc> hi there. My server is always setting ondemand cpufreq with cpufrequtils disabled, tried rc.local but after reboot is always ondemand instead of performance
[19:16] <ioria> alumn, run again   ls -ltu
[19:16] <alumn> ioria: yes, it's updated
[19:17] <ioria> alumn,  not here
[19:17] <matjam> ioria: https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/copy.c#L1033
[19:17] <matjam> you may have noatime set on the filesystem, ioria
[19:18] <ioria> matjam, nope
[19:18] <hs> hello. i have just installed ubuntu. it randomly freezes for no apparent reason, usually right after i resume (laptop). I read somewhere that I might want to update to the latest kernel.. having trouble doing that. is there an easy way to do so?
[19:19] <nikolasc> any help?
[19:20] <croberts> hs: usually just run sudo apt-get upgrade and see if a new kernel is there
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> nikolasc: perhaps try #ubuntu-server ?
[19:20] <alumn> ioria: Which filesystem
[19:20] <nikolasc> k thx
[19:20] <ioria> alumn,  ext4
[19:20] <RoadRunner> matjam: got a minute?
[19:21] <alumn> ioria: Are you using a file you just created? Do you have relatime enabled? (default)
[19:21] <ioria> alumn,  yep
[19:21] <hs> ok i just did that cmd. it updated something gnome but I dont think the kernel. the kernel version I have is 4.15.-20 generic
[19:21] <alumn> ioria: yeah it won't update atime for a file previously accessed in the last 24 hours
[19:21] <hs> i understand there is a newer version out there
[19:24] <brainwash> hs: easy way would be this https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/ukuu-easy-way-to-install-mainline-kernel-ubuntu
[19:24] <ioria> alumn,  yes, updated ...
[19:25] <matjam> RoadRunner: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/67702/how-to-reduce-volume-group-size-in-lvm
[19:27] <hs> ty trying that bw
[19:33] <ioria> alumn,  still there ?
[19:35] <alumn> ioria: ya
[19:36] <ioria> alumn,  can you try   stat --format=%n" "%y  myfile  | sort  -k2
[19:37] <alumn> ioria: that gives the last-modified date
[19:37] <gopal> unable to connect to wifi on ubuntu 18.04 , i am able to see network , but they keep on asking password
[19:37] <alumn> ioria: see `man stat`
[19:37] <bashM0nk3y> gopal: are you using network-manager?
[19:37] <ioria> alumn,  yes...
[19:38] <bashM0nk3y> which comes by default*
[19:38] <gopal> bashM0nk3y, no
[19:38] <alumn> ioria: (i'm looking for time-before-last-accessed)
[19:38] <gopal> yes
[19:38] <ioria> alumn,  ok
[19:39] <gopal> bashM0nk3y, wifi drivers are also installed
[19:39] <bashM0nk3y> im a little new to the gnome2/gnome3 side of network-manager but I have had luck with 'wicd'
[19:39] <bashM0nk3y> in the past*
[19:39] <ioria> alumn,  i thin every time the file is modified, the new modification time overwrites the previous one
[19:40] <bashM0nk3y> connman is another network mgmt tool that is supposed to be for intel hardware
[19:40] <codercat> how do I disable my FUCKING trackpad in lubuntu
[19:40] <alumn> ioria: It wasn't modified, I'm interested in access only.
[19:40] <bashM0nk3y> codercat: i always disable mine as well
[19:40] <codercat> im trying to type and breathing on it makes everything go to shit!!
[19:40] <codercat> I dont see any option to do it in prefrences
[19:41] <bashM0nk3y> codercat: ive used lubuntu before but dont remember how the prefrences work
[19:41] <gopal> bashM0nk3y, broadcom ?
[19:41] <matjam> !ohmy | codercat
[19:41] <bashM0nk3y> gopal: i would try 'sudo apt install wicd' and then systemctl start wicd
[19:41] <bashM0nk3y> codercat: try to go into the
[19:41] <bashM0nk3y> mouse prefs*
[19:42] <ioria> alumn,  yes, you probably need Auditd
[19:42] <codercat> in mouse prefs theres no relevent setting
[19:42] <codercat> my sensitivy and speed is set to minimum
[19:42] <codercat> but this looks like settings for an extrnal mouse
[19:42] <codercat> external
[19:42] <gopal> bashM0nk3y, after that ?
[19:43] <bashM0nk3y> codercat: let me spin up a lubuntu box real quick and ill take a look
[19:43] <codercat> ok thanks
[19:43] <matjam> codercat: install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, use synclient TouchpadOff=1
[19:43] <bashM0nk3y> what version are you running?
[19:43] <matjam> I believe that will work
[19:43] <bashM0nk3y> ^ there you go
[19:43] <matjam> its possible to automate it with udev I think
[19:43] <codercat> ok how to do that
[19:43] <codercat> im new to bash and linux
[19:43] <bashM0nk3y> google is your friend
[19:44] <matjam> codercat: sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[19:44] <bashM0nk3y> aka i dont know how to do that either lol
[19:44] <matjam> codercat: synclient TouchpadOff=1
[19:44] <gopal> bashM0nk3y, it keeps on asking password
[19:44] <matjam> in a terminal
[19:44] <lifeboy> The gnome3 tabswitching functionality is really lousy, not?
[19:44] <ioria> alumn,  unless was used 'sudo'; in this case you can find it in  /var/log/auth.log
[19:45] <matjam> you may have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed already though
[19:45] <matjam> which is fine
[19:45] <codercat> yey that worked
[19:46] <jmgb4> Anybody run into the ssh issue with "...no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: diffie-hellman-group1-sha1"?
[19:46] <gopal> could not connect to wicd's bus interface
[19:46] <bashM0nk3y> matjim: is xserver-xorg-input-synaptics a stand-alone application or does it tie into the existing prefrences?
[19:46] <jmgb4> I added the kexalgorithms into sshd_config but still no go
[19:46] <bashM0nk3y> gopal: sudo systemctl reload dbus.service
[19:46] <matjam> codercat: advanced usage, automatic udev so it disables with external mouse and re-enables when you unplug: https://askubuntu.com/questions/824593/udev-rule-for-external-mouse-detection-to-turn-touchpad-on-and-off
[19:47] <lifeboy> I mean, if I have multiple firefox windows open for example, when switch (alt-tab) and wait on firefox, the windows appear, but now I have use the other hand or mouse to select one of the windows. Slow and cumbersome.
[19:47] <lifeboy> Does this bother anybody?
[19:47] <gopal> bashM0nk3y, still same error , it supports broadcom chip ?
[19:48] <codercat> thanks, yeah ill need that too
[19:49] <Tegu> lifeboy: I don't know for sure but try alt + the key over tab
[19:49] <bashM0nk3y> lifeboy: gnome2 > gnome3 ;]
[19:49] <codercat> any reason why wine shows no window(s) when I open a file with it
[19:49] <oerheks> lifeboy, use SUPER + tab
[19:51] <zmc> So I'm on ubuntu vivid, and unable to use the oldreleases mirror as the Packages file is zipped but my apt version only looks for the unzipped Packages files.
[19:51] <zmc> Is this an issue to be fixed or am I just doing it wrong?
[19:51] <leftyfb> !eol | zmc
[19:52] <zmc> ubottu: I'm aware of that, unfortunately since I'm on unusual hardware, that's not an option.  I should be able to use the oldreleases mirror to continue to be able to add and remove software.
[19:53] <zmc> Sorry that should have been directed to leftyfb.
[19:53] <leftyfb> zmc: unfortunately, we cannot support EOL releases. old-releases was created out of convenience, but is not supported here.
[19:54] <zmc> leftyfb: Does old-releases have a maintainer?
[19:54] <matjam> zmc: how unusual is unusual anyway? there's usually a way to get LTS working on unusual hardware
[19:55] <zmc> matjam: It's a parallella board.  It's a zynq arm/fpga with a special math chip. Afaik the SDK and related software for the epiphany accelerator don't work on newer releases.
[19:55] <matjam> zmc: yeah, thats pretty exotic.
[19:56] <zmc> matjam: I've got a modern mainline kernel, and a new FPGA bitstream working. I don't know if anyone in the ubuntu space would care.
[19:58] <matjam> zmc: I might be able to help in #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is only for help supported releases of ubuntu.
[19:58] <zmc> Afaict, the old-releases mirror purged the non-zipped versions of the packages file since modern apt's can handle gz and bz2, this limits the usefulness of the mirror though. Now I've broken my apt since I installed a version incompatible with my current userland.
[19:58] <zmc> matjam: Ok, thanks. I'll move there.
[20:15] <darrend> hi, one of my machines is not seeing the 18.04 release, it keeps telling me 17.10 is the latest. I've switched mirrors and updated cache a few times. How can I troubleshoot?
[20:16] <matjam> darrend: thats normal until 18.04.1 is released in july
[20:16] <oerheks> set upgrade to 'any new version' in your update settings, that will do
[20:16] <darrend> oh. My other machines notified me and I updated them
[20:16] <darrend> oerheks: I did that, it told me 17.10 was latest
[20:16] <oerheks> i see 18.04 in my 17.10, but stick to it a month or so
[20:19] <oerheks> try to run apt full-upgrade on comandline?
[20:20] <darrend> I just ran 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' and now it tells me the update is there. Thx
[20:20] <oerheks> https://imgur.com/a/pmeeoAU
[20:20] <darrend> Before I used the gui, and maybe with a mirror that was slightly out of date
[20:21] <oerheks> easy to check, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:21] <oerheks> 'main' will do, i guess
[20:21] <darrend> using main now
[20:33] <lifeboy> oerheks, bashM0nk3y and Tegu, no, neither does it. I expect alt-tab / super-tab to switch between the grouped windows as well. As it does with the non-grouped windows, but it doesn't
[20:33] <oerheks> indeed, it is limited to the current desktop
[20:34] <oerheks> it could work on 2 screens, if you extend your desktop over those 2 screens
[20:35] <maszlo> i am not certain this is a ubuntu question or grub.  can I update a working install (just / and swap partitions) to use UEFI rather than legacy?
[20:36] <hggdh> there is an extension called "alternate tab" that allows for tabbing across workspaces
[20:39] <rustyboi> Hey guys, I have an issue with nvidia drivers. I was using proprietary 390 version for ubuntu 18 and switched back and forth between nouveau. Now the proprietary one don't want to work because apparently it is missing dependencies and apt --fix-broken install can't correct this. I've never submitted bug myself, sorry for missing details. It's GTX 760
[20:40] <maszlo> rustyboi: i think that is from missing kernel source iirc
[20:40] <rustyboi> here is a terminal output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5NFybSrNM2/
[20:41] <maszlo> you are running 32bit?
[20:41] <rustyboi> i tried purging all nvidia related and then reinstalling again, didnt work
[20:41] <rustyboi> 64 bit here
[20:42] <maszlo> what is the nvidia card?
[20:42] <rustyboi> geforce gt 760
[20:43] <fichero> why is ubuntu not asking me for my password to install updates
[20:43] <fichero> is a security issue?
[20:43] <fichero> it used to
[20:43] <AlexPortable> 18.04 ships with kernel 4.15 right? Which ubuntu will ship with kernel 4.16 ?
[20:44] <oerheks> no, but next 18.10 could give kernel 5.0
[20:44] <maszlo> rustyboi: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/134262/en-us
[20:45] <oerheks> fichero, not all updates require password/password reboot
[20:45] <oerheks> ( in the GUI )
[20:47] <fichero> oerheks: k thanks
[20:58] <sivam1> hi all
[20:58] <sivam1> hi all
[21:01] <rustyboi> maszlo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FkXCy9kNp6/
[21:02] <phocking-2> hey anyone here familiar with jira on 16.04
[21:03] <energizer> I have a virtual machine that i think has bad stuff on it. I want to look inside. Can I do this safely on a computer that's not isolated?
[21:03] <compdoc> sure
[21:03] <energizer> compdoc: me?
[21:03] <compdoc> unless it infects you over the lan
[21:03] <leftyfb> phocking-2: since it's not a supported package, you'll need to contact Jira support for help with Jira on Ubuntu
[21:03] <compdoc> yes, energizer
[21:03] <phocking-2> leftyfb:
[21:03] <phocking-2> isn't that what irc is for? lel
[21:04] <leftyfb> phocking-2: this channel is for support with Ubuntu. Not Jira.
[21:04] <phocking-2> im sure not officially supported by ubuntu but there are folks using it i'm sure
[21:04] <leftyfb> Jira is not part of Ubuntu
[21:05] <skomorokh> My ath9k wlan0 was fine upgrading 15.10->16.04...->17.10 but now when I upgrade to 18.04 it doesn't show up anymore. lsmod shows the ath9k module is loaded, but lshw -C network shows the device as "unclaimed"
[21:05] <phocking-2> leftyfb: bruh, even if you are staff on this channel or whatever, i'm just trying to make something work on an ubuntu server so i think this is relevant. #atlassian is dead
[21:05] <compdoc> skomorokh, usually means the wrong driver
[21:06] <mikl> hi
[21:07] <skomorokh> compdoc: but like... it's been the same module all along afaik. So you think somewhere between 4.13 and 4.15 the ath9k driver dropped support for my specific chipset or something like that?
[21:07] <compdoc> skomorokh, I cant say, but either you have the wrong driver now, or no driver at all
[21:08] <skomorokh> Hm. That's easy enough to test. But it's headless, is there a way to trigger grub to use a specific kernel for next boot?
[21:09] <rfleming> Does the file ~/.config/dconf/user play any importance in a system and need to be backed up, or is it something that's auto-generated?
[21:10] <leftyfb> rfleming: that's your dconf settings. Mainly gtk settings. Like which side of the window the min/max/close buttons are on
[21:10] <leftyfb> and I think keybindings
[21:10] <leftyfb> it's like nothing in size, if you're backing things up, can't hurt to add it
[21:11] <rfleming> So basically gtk+ settings for gnome apps
[21:11] <rfleming> curious because I'm configuring openbox
[21:11] <leftyfb> rfleming: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/dconf
[21:11] <rfleming> (I do have a couple of gnome apps installed)
[21:12] <linuxgecko> leftyfb:  sorry,  i had to afk. looking now.   yes,  eth1 is not comming up.
[21:13] <leftyfb> linuxgecko: Look at the difference between your eth0 settings and eth1 settings, besides the fact that they're static/dhcp
[21:16] <linuxgecko> leftyfb: facepalm.  ok,  that covers that..  ubuntu is not the distro where i spend most of my time. i'm used to it being auto if it's defined.
[21:17] <linuxgecko> leftyfb: will my dnsmasq work fine now? for good measure, i've been restarting it after i ifup eth1
[21:17] <leftyfb> linuxgecko: test it
[21:27] <anthony> x:q
[21:31] <senaps> hi all, 2 questions: I have ubuntu 17.10, it's failed. i have removed dpkg, copy pasted the files for it again, and even before dpkg remove, i couldn't update/remove/install new app's without error from mysql-server not being found (it's sock wasn't where dpkg was looking for) so i have ubuntu 18.04 iso and it's currently being burned into a usb. questions are: 1- should i upgrade or fresh install 2- what i will lose? do i loose my pycharm ce, virtualbox and
[21:31] <senaps>  other programs configs and data? would they break?
[21:40] <oerheks> dpkg removed ... some can fix that, but i would say backup data and reinstall
[21:46] <Nebi> Does someone here now about version conflicts between libprotobuf, tensorflow and python?
[21:47] <Nebi> I have more or less the same issue as here: https://github.com/BVLC/caffe/issues/5711
[21:58] <nacc> Nebi: afaik, tensorflow is not an ubuntu package
[21:59] <Nebi> nacc, well the issue is that libprotobuf is a package in the standard ubuntu repository
[22:00] <nacc> Nebi: yes, I know.
[22:00] <nacc> Nebi: what is your problem with something Ubuntu provides?
[22:00] <nacc> Nebi: 3rd party package/program issues are for those third parties to resolve, not here
[22:01] <goedel> Hello. My Ubuntu 18.04 VM configured for an internal network, with static IP address, is thinking there is no connection and is disconnecting after 30 seconds, even if I have an active SSH session on that network.  I am using VirtualBox and it works perfectly fine, but the system is disconnecting me.
[22:02] <nacc> goedel: you mean Network Manager?
[22:03] <goedel> nacc: correct.
[22:03] <nacc> goedel: not entirely sure what you want to do with a network address without routing, but ok.
[22:03] <Jordan_U> goedel: You don't even have a default gateway?
[22:03] <nacc> goedel: what 'system' is disconnecting you?
[22:04] <goedel> It's network manager. The setup is pretty simple - I have an internal network in VBox and the same gway and netmask on both machines. In this example, I have an Ubuntu server with IP <IP_ADDRESS>, gw <IP_ADDRESS>, nmask <IP_ADDRESS>, and the Ubuntu Desktop with iP <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:04] <goedel> This setup was bulletproof up until 18.04.
[22:05] <nacc> (fwiw, your gateway seems invalid to me)
[22:05] <goedel> The settings are dummy anyways. But that is not a problem.
[22:07] <nacc> goedel: well, you've not provided any logs indicating what is actually happening and have changed your description of the problem as well. So, tbh, hard for me to trust that you know what is not the problem already.
[22:08] <goedel> The real question is why the heck does network-manager turn anything off if it determines, by some flawed logic, that there is no connectivity.
[22:09] <skomorokh> I've confirmed that my old 4.13 kernel restores wlan0 ...so apparently somewhere between 4.13 and 4.15 the ath9x module really did stop recognising some variants :(
[22:10] <nacc> goedel: where do you see Network Manager doing this? Your "server" doesn't (or shouldn't) have NM running. So your "desktop" NM indicator is going off?
[22:10] <goedel> nacc: network-manager ON A DESKTOP turns off the interface and displays a pop-up that the connection couldn't be established.
[22:11] <nacc> goedel: ok, did you look in syslog?
[22:11] <goedel> It stopped doing that for now.
[22:12] <nacc> goedel: if it did it before, you'd still see logs in syslog about it
[22:15] <Jordan_U> goedel: Please pastebin the output of "journalctl -u NetworkManager" .
[22:18] <goedel> Relevant bits https://pastebin.com/Wh2utTcp
[22:22] <RoadRunner> matjam: as you suggested, followed these instructions https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/67702/how-to-reduce-volume-group-size-in-lvm but inspite of everything appearing ok in terminal https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2YMDq8NKbG/ GParted still fails to shrink the file system
[22:22] <phablet> how can I restore my missing terminal appeared?
[22:25] <RoadRunner> also can't understand why after issuing "sudo resize2fs /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root 25G", lvs still lists root at 30G and swap at 2G for a total of 32G
[22:26] <Draegon> I need to edit "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-tablet.conf", however, "xorg.conf.d/50-tablet.conf" folder & file doesn't currently exist. I've installed and used gksu, and also used "sudo -i" but cannot create files or folders in that location. Is there something else I need to do? I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 with kernel 4.4.0-124-generic.
[22:27] <Jordan_U> RoadRunner: Becuause you're just changing the size of the filesystem, not the size of the logical volume. It's as if you had run resize2fs on a 30 GB partition, until you modify the partition table (or the LVM logical volume) you can't actually *use* that "free" space.
[22:29] <RoadRunner> Jordan_U: perhaps you could tell me what I am still missing: inspite of everything appearing ok in terminal https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2YMDq8NKbG/ GParted still fails to shrink the file system
[22:31] <the-erm> Is 18.04 considered a stable release?  I know it's LTS, but the question is 18.04 stable or is stable 18.04.1?
[22:31] <matjam> RoadRunner: back up the filesystem, delete the entire lvm set, recreate partitions, restore.
[22:31] <matjam> you've been at this for days
[22:32] <Jordan_U> RoadRunner: It looks like you're using commands to shrink the PV, but what you really want to do is to shrink the LV.
[22:32] <matjam> the-erm: it's LTS, which means it's supported, however it just got released, so if you want something not so buggy, 16.04 or wait for 18.04.1
[22:33] <the-erm> The next question is how reliable is do-release-upgrade ?  It seems like every time I've used it things have failed.
[22:34] <matjam> the-erm: It depends how much custom stuff you've installed via PPAs etc. If you stuck to just whats in the official supported repos, do-release-upgrade tends to work reasonably well.
[22:34] <nacc> the-erm: and what are you upgrading from?
[22:34] <the-erm> 16.04.4
[22:35] <RoadRunner> matjam: good to hear from you again :) yes, days indeed...  I just thought that now I am really close so maybe one more step and victory but I guess there is nothing left to try?
[22:35] <nacc> the-erm: ok, then you shouldn't upgrade (via d-r-u) until 18.04.1 comes out
[22:35] <nacc> the-erm: which is when LTS -> LTS upgrades are supported.
[22:35] <the-erm> I have a few custom repos ... so it's probably not a good idea.
[22:39] <Jordan_U> RoadRunner: http://www.microhowto.info/howto/reduce_the_size_of_an_lvm_logical_volume.html
[22:40] <Jordan_U> RoadRunner: Be very careful that you don't accidentally make your LV smaller than your filesystem. If you accidentally do, you will lose data.
[22:40] <matjam> RoadRunner: you probably have to change the partition table now for the partition that holds the pv
[22:40] <matjam> RoadRunner: you did take a full backup, right?
[22:41] <the-erm> We're going to provision a new server ... I'm still on the fence if I should use 16.04.4 or 18.04.  We're doing major upgrade and it's running 14.04.5 so I'm going to be using 16.04.4 or 18.04, however it looks like it'll be sometime this month or June and 18.04.1 isn't going to be released until July.
[22:41] <Jordan_U> matjam: I think that RoadRunner just wants to use the freed up space for their swap volume, which is on the same PV, so there is no need to touch the PV or the partition table.
[22:41] <matjam> the-erm: I'm running 18.04 on new servers.
[22:41] <the-erm> ok.
[22:42] <matjam> the-erm: As the packages are relatively limited on a server, I'm a bit more confident there.
[22:42] <skatetensor> Why run ubuntu for servers? , i mean most people don't right?
[22:42] <matjam> Jordan_U: oh, right.
[22:42] <the-erm> matjam: Have you had any major compatibility issues?  We're doing weird stuff like running libreoffice and wine on a headless xorg server.
[22:42] <nacc> the-erm: I don't consider it particularly the point of the channel to advise you on that choice
[22:42] <matjam> skatetensor: you'd be surprised. Lots of ubuntu out there on servers.
[22:43] <nacc> skatetensor: 'most people' is not really a useful metric
[22:43] <skatetensor> matjam: nice , i did not know that :)
[22:43] <oerheks> skatetensor, there are no secure numbers of users/downloads/upgraders, sorry
[22:43] <the-erm> nacc: You're right however if anyone is going to know or have experience they'd probably be in here :)
[22:43] <nacc> the-erm: i mean, only you can honestly know. we don't know your application needs, testing done on the 4.15 kernel, etc.
[22:43] <nacc> the-erm: the fact that you depend on wine makes me back away immediately.
[22:44] <matjam> ... wine? eek.
[22:44] <skatetensor> nacc: i just meant that normally i am seeing user run centOS , or some red hat variant , at least in my work
[22:44] <RoadRunner> Jordan_U: no, the freed up space will be used for instal with another ver of os
[22:45] <nacc> skatetensor: right, but your work is what? a negligible fraction of the actual use of Linux by the world.
[22:45] <the-erm> Well it's only for 1 program, and that's to get the length of .dss and .ds2 files.  avprobe doesn't handle those files ... at least a couple years ago it didn't.  In the end the best solution was to load the file and then read the title bar then kill the program.  Hackie but it works.
[22:46] <RoadRunner> matjam: is changing the partition table going to take longer than starting from scratch?
[22:46] <phocking-2> it seems to me these days that ubuntu is the windows of linux essentially; more folks use it than not
[22:46] <matjam> RoadRunner: no, but you could easily screw it up and lose all your data.
[22:46] <phocking-2> i really prefer ubuntu/debian packages to redhat ones tbh
[22:46] <matjam> RoadRunner: so, take a backup.
[22:47] <skatetensor> nacc: thats true but the rise of ubuntu server use is to the lack of IT support
[22:47] <RoadRunner> matjam: ok, so what's involved?
[22:47] <dedze> Hello, I have weird lines in my sys.log starting byt '------------[ cut here ]------------', any idea what it is about? Should I worry about it? Googling didn't help.     https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c89WyWsJjd/
[22:47] <nacc> skatetensor: i have no idea what you're talking about, and we're fairly far off topc. Let's leave it at, you were incorrect about your assumptions about the use of ubuntu on servers.
[22:47] <matjam> so, this is off topic, but anecdotally, ubuntu has destroyed my nginx/apache/mysql/exim/postfix/etc configuration never, but CentOS/RHEL has destroyed it every time I've done a major upgrade
[22:48] <nacc> dedze: usually those are followed by the actual error logs fromthe kernel
[22:48] <matjam> I'm now at the point on my servers I just upgrade to the latest LTS via do-release-upgrade and I don't even bother opening the SSH port.
[22:48]  * matjam is just that confident
[22:48] <nacc> dedze: in your case, it would seem your wireless driver hit an error. Without knowing more about the driver, it may not be anything or it may be fatal
[22:49] <skatetensor> nacc: i doubt that :)
[22:50] <matjam> RoadRunner: honestly I'd just back up, delete the partitions, rebuild, restore. I feel it would be quicker.
[22:51] <dedze> nacc: I recently reinstalled ubuntu and while it was updating (right after downloading), I closed the updating in order to plug the ethernet cable (instead of wifi), could it have caused this type of problems?
[22:51] <nacc> dedze: it's possible, sure
[22:52] <dedze> nacc: Oki thank you
[22:52] <RoadRunner> matjam: the reason I've been so persistent after all this effort is not to feel like it was all a waste of time; since it didn't work, the main things I'm getting out of it is to stay away from lvm and to be so persistent...  I do apreciate all your help though
[22:58] <matjam> RoadRunner: I think it's dangerous to proceed unless you know what you're doing, and you do the research and understand it.
[22:58] <matjam> I'm not comfortable giving you commands to fdisk etc, and would prefer if you figure it out.
[22:59] <matjam> the PV is a partition on the disk, you'll need to figure out how to resize the partition so that it holds the whole PV, now that it's been "shrunk".
[23:06] <hoechts> Hi, I'd like to change the grub menu items. I have tried everything, but it doesnt change at all. I have installed the grub customizer, and my changes show up, but the bot menu does not change.
[23:06] <nacc> hoechts: change how?
[23:06] <hoechts> nacc, editing /etc/grub.d/40_customer for example
[23:07] <hoechts> nacc, or editing /etc/default/grub setting GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR
[23:07] <nacc> hoechts: ok, and you ran `sudo update-grub` after that?
[23:07] <hoechts> yes
[23:07] <hoechts> nacc, the /boot/grub/grub.cfg was updated. I can see my changes
[23:08] <Daekdroom> Hello, I've been messing with Pulseaudio modules, but some settings I changed in /etc/pulse have made my audio stop working through Pulseaudio (onnly Alsa works now). I've been unable to restore that folder's defaults through apt...
[23:08] <nacc> hoechts: but if you drop into grub, you don't see the corresponding changes?
[23:09] <hoechts> nacc, i reboot and i see grub 2.xx (2.02 i guess)
[23:09] <hoechts> nacc, my added entries do not show up, nor does the renaming to be shown
[23:10] <nacc> hoechts: i'm not sure, sorry -- that's surprsing. You could see if, for instance, changing /etc/grub/default's kernel commandline works
[23:11] <hoechts> nacc,  you mean /etc/grub.d/default ?
[23:11] <oerheks> hoechts, what OS installed Grub?
[23:11] <hoechts> nacc, eh i mean /etc/default/grub
[23:11] <hoechts> oerheks, 18.04 LTS
[23:12] <oerheks> oke no other linux beside this ?
[23:12] <hoechts> several times 18.04 LTS
[23:12] <oerheks> just to rule out than an other OS rules over grub
[23:13] <hoechts> oerheks, its a completley new HDD. No other HDDs attached. I have installed 18.04 LTS some days ago, and several more today
[23:13] <hoechts> oerheks, hence, its very important to name these instalations. Otherwise, i dont know which one is the one i want to boot to
[23:14] <Draegon> Is there a difference to editing files located in "/etc/X11/" compared to "/usr/share/X11/"? As referring to 2 different guides 1 says to the first, the 2nd says to use the other.
[23:14] <erhan> hi
[23:14] <erhan> can you help me
[23:15] <Draegon> erhan: you need to specify what you need help with
[23:16] <Daekdroom> I've fixed my issue by manually extracting /etc/pulse files from pulseaudio.deb. No idea why apt-get install --purge --reinstall pulseaudio didn't do that itself
[23:16] <erhan> not specify
[23:17] <erhan> screen resolution
[23:18] <Draegon> erhan: You NEED to detail WHAT exactly your issue is, as the users in channel won't know whether they can help you, without knowing details of the issue.
[23:19] <matjam> !ask | erhan
[23:20] <erhan> rpi-3 attached to Philips brand TV
[23:20] <erhan> does not give proper resolution
[23:22] <erhan> If you can help xrander
[23:22] <erhan> rpi-3
[23:22] <erhan> os ubuntu mate
[23:23] <Draegon> matjam: Continuing from yesterday, I've been speaking with spbnick from Digimend github, and on their irc channel. The updated guide (today) says to edit /etc/x11/ but I can't get access. Should I edit files in that location, or the /usr/share/x11/ location?
[23:23] <matjam> Draegon: edit as root
[23:24] <erhan> ok
[23:24] <Draegon> I've tried, I used gksu after installing it, then also tried sudo -i, I can get access to the etc/... location but cannot create any files or folders there.
[23:24] <nacc> Draegon: they are different files, but if you can't edit one, then you can't edit the other
[23:25] <nacc> Draegon: fwiw, /etc/X11/ (not etc/x11)
[23:25] <nacc> Draegon: and same for /usr/share/X11/
[23:26] <matjam> Draegon: sudo gedit
[23:26] <Draegon> sorry, that's what I meant, just fast typing.
[23:26] <nacc> hoechts: yes, sorry, re: /etc/default/grub
[23:26] <matjam> sudo gedit file.blah
[23:26] <hoechts> nacc, oerheks I finally could change the menu entry of the first Ubuntu Installation. I booted to this installation, change the name in /etc/default/grub, ran update-grub, and the first menu item war renamed. Now i booted to the second installation, ran update-grub on this installation, as well as on the first installation, but the 2nd menu item does not change. Andy Ideas?
[23:26] <nacc> matjam: no, you should not use sudo with graphical apps
[23:26] <matjam> nacc: no?
[23:26] <nacc> matjam: gksu is for that purpose
[23:26] <matjam> does it mess up dotfiles?
[23:26] <nacc> matjam: it has been known to make desktops unusable, yes.
[23:26] <matjam> ah
[23:26] <matjam> my bad
[23:26] <Draegon> I tried that, it says the file folder doesn't exist, and won't allow me to make them
[23:27] <matjam> I always use vim .. :P
[23:27] <nacc> tbh, I don't know why anyone needs a GUI editor to edit system files, but whatever
[23:27] <hoechts> nacc, i juste used gedit to edit /etc/default/grub ...
[23:28] <Draegon> the guide I'm using is https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers#configuration
[23:29] <nacc> hoechts: you have multiple installations of grub?
[23:29] <nacc> hoechts: of ubuntu, i mean
[23:29] <matjam> Draegon: are you talking about /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-tablet.conf
[23:29] <hoechts> nacc, yes, several
[23:29] <nacc> Draegon: there may not be an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[23:30] <nacc> hoechts: ok, then i think it will matter *which* one is actually controlling the installed grub
[23:30] <erhan> thx Draegon:
[23:30] <hoechts> nacc, i guess the first one. The first one was actually able to rename its own menu item, but how am i supposed to change the other ones?
[23:30] <FaTaL_G> Would anyone here be willing to help me walk through steps to determine what is wrong with my Ubuntu 16.04 router? Im quite frustrated with the Ubuntu update/upgrade process.... every single time I've ran: sudo update; sudo upgrade; sudo reboot, the sytem never reboots fully functional
[23:31] <nacc> FaTaL_G: `sudo update` is not a command you'd run
[23:31] <nacc> FaTaL_G: do you mean `sudo apt-get update` ?
[23:31] <FaTaL_G> specifically, at this time, the dhcp server is borked
[23:31] <Draegon> That's the issue, neither file or folder doesn't exist, however the xorg.conf.d does exist in the /usr/share/x11/ location. Should I just create the file in the /usr/share/... location?
[23:32] <FaTaL_G> and for some reason one of my 6 ethernet ports which actually serves the internet keeps coming up inactive, and I have to force ifup it
[23:32] <FaTaL_G> nacc: yes, I was just being brief
[23:32] <xamithan> So set it to onboot=yes in the config
[23:33] <nacc> Draegon: read `man xorg.conf`, maybe -- /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is for package and vendor config files
[23:33] <FaTaL_G> I've had this machine working fine. And I can reboot fine, but over the last few months, when I do the apt-get updates/upgrades, after a reboot, SOMETHING is always broken
[23:33] <nacc> Draegon: whereas /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is for local system configuration
[23:34] <nacc> FaTaL_G: was your dhcp server actually upgraded?
[23:35] <FaTaL_G> nacc: what logfile file should I confirm that in
[23:35] <nacc> FaTaL_G: /var/log/apt/history.log
[23:36] <matjam> Draegon: just create /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the configuration there.
[23:37] <matjam> Draegon: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:38] <skatetensor> FaTaL_G: when you say broken you mean not working or could not be installed?
[23:38] <hoechts> nacc, anyway, thanks for your helping attempts. After ~2 hours i give up and choose a completely different solution, like one usb-drive per installation, or something similar...
[23:41] <FaTaL_G> nacc: no, isc-dhcp-server was not modified
[23:41] <FaTaL_G> skatetensor: not working any longer despite me making zero user edited configuration changes
[23:41] <nacc> hoechts: i honestly don't know how those multiple grub config setups are meant to work; I assumed they'd either share a /boot/grub/ partition (which means they'd all read the same data), or perhaps grub has some autodetection logic
[23:42] <FaTaL_G> as I mentioned tho, I have 6 enet devices, *(that includes a br0 anda wlan), but ONE of my enet cards doesnt even show up on ifconfig without the -a, and I have to ifup it to get it to grab an IP from my fios ont
[23:42] <skatetensor> FaTaL_G: Had the same problem yesterday was i was recovering elementary , most of my repos wouldn't work
[23:42] <skatetensor> sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf
[23:43] <skatetensor> and making dynamic updates allowed worked for me
[23:43] <FaTaL_G> which is NEW behavior... it didnt do that before the last reboot where I upgraded/updated
[23:43] <hoechts> nacc, I just have one more idea i will try out now: I set up 40_custom on the initial ubuntu installation, adding all the menu entries i want. I think this should work. brb
[23:44] <skatetensor> FaTaL_G: might be useful to see whats is causing your problem, if you look at the bug reports lately snapd and Braille device support seem to mess up the updates
[23:45] <FaTaL_G> skatetensor: I cant imagine that is the issue here, my update WORKED, and my assertion (may be incorrect but so far has been spot on), is that each time I perform a apt-get update/upgrade, my system ahs issues when I reboot
[23:45] <skatetensor> Do you have the time to look at the installation?
[23:45] <skatetensor> meaning , what erros are you getting at the terminal?
[23:47] <FaTaL_G> I updated april 1st... and actually wondered if ubuntu was hacked, because afterwards, my system wouldnt even boot. With help from users here, it turned out to be a "corrupt" or incomplete grub2 upgrade/update process, but as a user triggering the apt-get, I had zero indication that anything went wrong
[23:48] <FaTaL_G> I do
[23:48] <Blood_n_Binary> Ello
[23:48] <FaTaL_G> thats why I came here. Im not linux dumb, but there is a lot where I dont always know where to start, especially because over the years, paths change, log daemons change, etc.
[23:49] <Blood_n_Binary> Same I have dealt with linux since the old days....
[23:49] <FaTaL_G> yea, when redhat was.... 7..... not 7.0
[23:49] <FaTaL_G> ;)
[23:49] <FaTaL_G> dot matrix printers
[23:49] <Blood_n_Binary> 30
[23:49] <Draegon> It won't allow me to save as the file/directory doesn't exist. When I tried to create the folder, it just made a xorg.conf.save file.
[23:50] <FaTaL_G> I do not have any errors on the terminal atm
[23:50] <FaTaL_G> but the isc-dhcp-server is not running
[23:50] <FaTaL_G> and based on my limited knowledge, it could be part of why the ethernet device connected to my ont is shutting off
[23:51] <FaTaL_G> which, if its something like the isc-dhcp is trying to dhcp my ont while my ont is dhcp'ing my ubuntu router, might point to the culprit
[23:52] <FaTaL_G> but again.... it worked fine before apt-get update/upgrade, and afterwards, its "broke"
[23:52] <Blood_n_Binary> did you set the server repository to something shady? ...hehe
[23:52] <hoechts> nacc, this one worked... So lessons learned: There is only one ubuntu installation managing grub. All other installations have no effect on the grub loader... All menu entries i was trying to change are found in the os-probe section. Hence, changing 10_linux does not have any effect
[23:53] <FaTaL_G> enp0s31f6 boots up "disabled"
[23:53] <Blood_n_Binary> Fatal_G I would try and change the repository location.  This might be your buggaboo
[23:54] <FaTaL_G> I'm using standard ubuntu ootb servers
[23:55] <Blood_n_Binary> what error are you getting?
[23:55] <FaTaL_G> but if I have test sources on, I'll turn that off
[23:55] <Draegon> If I'm creating the file through sudo nano, is there a command to create the folder, /xorg.conf.d/ so I can create/edit the 50-tablet.conf file?
[23:55] <FaTaL_G> where do I look for the error? There are a lot of locations to look at logs
[23:56] <Blood_n_Binary> try and run sudo apt update and copy paste what it says
[23:56] <skatetensor> Draegon: mkdir
[23:57] <Draegon> Will that work in sudo nano, or run it from a different instance of Terminal?
[23:58] <FaTaL_G> Blood_n_Binary: https://pastebin.com/dt59D0iw
[23:58] <NEOalquimista> Draegon, create the folder first with mkdir, then enter nano and write the file
[23:58] <Draegon> OK, thanks
[23:59] <FaTaL_G> I have backports, which I might not need anymore, because I use a PCI-66U
[23:59] <skatetensor> Draegon: i would do something like mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[23:59] <skatetensor> Draegon: sudo nano  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[23:59] <Blood_n_Binary> you can create the filename after your done with editing in nano
[23:59] <Draegon> Thanks. Yes. I'll try that.


[05:00] <Dandel> Sarvatt: it appears that the gles 1, gles 2 and egl tests will be integrated into the default quick tests and all test profiles :) ( still sure ya don't want to have libwaffle )
[09:03] <Dandel> good mornin ricotz
[09:05] <Dandel> it looks like all the egl, gles1, and gles2 will be integrated into the all tests profile ( and thus the quick driver and others )
[09:26] <mlankhorst> so piglit tests will run for even longer? :p
[16:31] <Dandel> mlankhorst: not that much longer... it's only a handful of tests... although, it definitely requires egl
[16:33] <hyperair> hmm, the last xorg-edgers update seems to have screwed over snb rc6 residency.
[16:33] <hyperair> it seems to be ~1% these days instead of ~50%
[18:17] <bryce> mlankhorst, tjaalton also check rdepends in universe; slangasek noticed virtualbox and a few other random bits and bobs have dependencies
[18:50] <mlankhorst> virtualbox is probably the ddx too


  System services are probably a bust due to dbus-daemon-launch-helper, and session services are a problem if I tie them to user daemons
[07:56] <zyga> jamesh: shall I comment on the activation PR about various 14.04 bits then?
[07:57] <jamesh> zyga: I need to add the "fail fast" bit to prevent installation on 14.04.  Is there more than that?
[07:57] <zyga> I looked at packaging
[07:57] <zyga> perhaps there is more, my review is partial
[08:39] <zyga> ok, I'll make a quick coffee and back to work
[08:52] <zyga> no coffee for me
[08:52] <zyga> kitchen is a classroom now
[08:53] <jamesh> maybe making coffee could be a science experiment?
[08:54] <mborzecki> making good coffee is definitely like science :P
[08:55] <mborzecki> zyga: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-selinux-separates-containers-using-multi-level-security?amp=1 and 2nd part https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/why-you-should-be-using-multi-category-security-your-linux-containers?amp=1
[08:55] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ^^
[08:55] <zyga> jamesh: there's an active spanish class in progress now
[08:55] <zyga> I'll just camp next door and wait
[08:56] <zyga> mborzecki: when is it cheaper to just spin up a thin VM around each container so that dealing with selinux is not required? ;)
[08:56] <zyga> thanks, queued
[08:58] <mborzecki> zyga: where'd be fun in that? :)
[08:58] <zyga> offtopic, skylake was 6000 series
[08:59] <zyga> it's 10,000 and we still have the same horse
[08:59] <zyga> intel is a funny company
[09:34]  * zyga most commonly used command is: go test -coverprofile=/tmp/c.out && go tool cover -html=/tmp/c.out -o /tmp/coverage.html
[09:47] <mup> PR snapd#8706 opened: interfaces/serial-port: add NXP SC16IS7xx (ttySCX) to allowed device <Created by tsunghanliu> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8706>
[10:23] <mborzecki> zyga: can you take another look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8508 ?
[10:23] <mup> PR #8508: github: run all spread systems in a single go with cached results <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8508>
[10:24] <zyga> yep
[10:25] <zyga> mborzecki: I think we need to wait till Monday
[10:25] <zyga> merging this will change test name
[10:25] <zyga> *names
[10:25] <zyga> and we will have required tests not present
[10:25] <zyga> ah, actually, probably not
[10:26] <zyga> because unstable bits are unstable and not required
[10:26] <zyga> hmm :)
[10:28] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8508/files#r428571757
[10:28] <mup> PR #8508: github: run all spread systems in a single go with cached results <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8508>
[10:29] <mborzecki> zyga: hm i'd do that separately
[10:29] <zyga> yeah
[10:29] <zyga> mborzecki: in general I have a feeling this would be celaner with inputs/outputs
[10:30] <zyga> a step early on sets the output from the cache
[10:30] <zyga> and then we can use if: ...
[10:30] <zyga> but that's fine
[10:30] <zyga> it doesn't change the general idea
[10:32] <mborzecki> pstolowski: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8689 ?
[10:32] <mup> PR #8689: o/devicestate: raise conflict when requesting system action while seeding <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8689>
[10:32] <pstolowski> yep
[10:33] <mborzecki> pstolowski: thanks
[10:35] <zyga> mborzecki: I think we need to teach spread https://help.github.com/en/actions/reference/workflow-commands-for-github-actions#setting-an-error-message
[10:40] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8508#pullrequestreview-416046302 reviewed
[10:40] <mup> PR #8508: github: run all spread systems in a single go with cached results <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8508>
[10:40] <zyga> not sure if we should merge it,
[10:40] <zyga> look at the cache comment please
[10:41] <mborzecki> zyga: hmm trying to remember why using `if:` didn't work
[10:41] <mborzecki> i remember this is what we tried first
[10:43] <zyga> it didn't work because we used it to skip the part that was required
[10:43] <zyga> but we could use it for the vast majority of that run there (unit tests and several others)
[10:50] <mborzecki> zyga: ok, sounds like we want to iterate after it lands
[10:50] <zyga> I would be happy with 1) a comment on each cache 2) a different cache name
[10:50] <zyga> unless it's supposed to be the same
[10:54] <zyga> core 20 secboot tests are slow
[11:25] <mborzecki> zyga: hmm?
[11:25] <mborzecki> zyga: apparently we were running too many tests there, a pr from cachio fixing that landed today
[11:25] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8705/checks?check_run_id=695938599
[11:25] <mup> PR #8705: tests: remove gnome-online-accounts we install <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8705>
[11:26] <zyga> 1h:20 and still running
[11:26] <mborzecki> zyga: yeah, merhe master
[11:26] <zyga> mborzecki: this is super new
[11:26] <zyga> mborzecki: was there some big improvement today?
[11:27] <mborzecki> zyga: #8700 fixed that
[11:27] <mup> PR #8700: tests: fix the issue where all the tests were executed on secboot system <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8700>
[11:27] <zyga> ah
[11:27] <zyga> good
[11:27] <zyga> thank $diety :|
[11:27] <zyga> :)
[12:17] <zyga> jamesh: could you have a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8656
[12:17] <mup> PR #8656: snap-mgmt: perform cleanup of user services <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8656>
[12:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#3134 closed: cli: nicer message for status with no releases <bug> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3134>
[13:10] <mup> PR snapd#8705 closed: tests: remove gnome-online-accounts we install <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8705>
[13:10] <zyga> ta
[13:26] <sergiusens> zyga: hey, do you know it https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5822 is on a stable release? degville do you know if this is documented and where?
[13:26] <mup> PR #5822: wrappers: allow user mode systemd daemons <:birthday:> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5822>
[13:29] <zyga> sergiusens: it's marked for 2.45 which is in beta
[13:29]  * zyga -> lunch
[13:29] <sergiusens> thanks
[13:36] <degville> sergiusens: I don't think it is documented. I'll speak to the team and ask them how best to approach it.
[13:58] <mup> PR snapd#8701 closed: tests: sign kernel and gadget to run nested tests using current snapd code <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8701>
[14:01] <mup> PR snapd#8707 opened: cmd/snap/model: support store, system-user-authority keys in --verbose <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8707>
[14:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3135 opened: providers: set HOME environment variable using posix format <bug> <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3135>
[14:50] <mup> PR snapd#8708 opened: tests: setup portals before starting user session <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8708>
[15:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#2922 closed: cli: fix push on Windows <bug> <Created by NickZ> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2922>
[15:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#2949 closed: cli: fix clean on Windows <bug> <Created by NickZ> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2949>
[15:23] <zyga> travis is stuck again
[15:23] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8703
[15:23] <mup> PR #8703: tests: detect signs of crashed snap-confine <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8703>
[15:29] <zyga> brb
[15:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3136 opened: appveyor: disable artifact collection <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3136>
[16:04] <cmatsuoka> mborzecki: who should be mounting /etc/writable in core?
[16:05] <cmatsuoka> mborzecki: it seems that it's not being currently mounted
[16:05] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: but it is mounted tho
[16:06] <ijohnson> ah actually
[16:06] <ijohnson> it's doubly mounted
[16:06] <ijohnson> $ cat /proc/self/mountinfo | grep etc/writable
[16:06] <ijohnson> 146 122 179:3 /system-data/etc/writable /etc/writable rw,relatime shared:3 - ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p3 rw
[16:06] <ijohnson> 147 119 179:3 /system-data/etc/writable /run/mnt/base/etc/writable rw,relatime shared:54 - ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p3 rw
[16:06] <ijohnson> on uc20 ^
[16:06] <ijohnson> on uc18 v
[16:06] <ijohnson> $ cat /proc/self/mountinfo  | grep etc/writable
[16:06] <ijohnson> 33 28 8:3 /system-data/etc/writable /etc/writable rw,relatime shared:9 - ext4 /dev/sda3 rw,data=ordered
[16:06] <cmatsuoka> oh
[16:08] <zyga> I don't know the cause
[16:08] <zyga> but booting 20.10 daily is super slow
[16:09] <zyga> on my x240 it takes ~ 30 seconds to get off the lenovo splash screen
[16:16] <cmatsuoka> zyga: could it be a late console initialization? we have this in core
[16:16] <zyga> cmatsuoka: it's not just that, it's really much slower
[16:16] <zyga> in the past it booted in a few seconds
[16:16] <cmatsuoka> zyga: when something appears in the console, the timestamp is already at 20s or 30s
[16:16] <zyga> now systemd blame says it's 24s+
[16:17] <zyga> but I think something is stuck before we boot even
[16:17] <zyga> I can time it with a clock so it's not just my perception
[16:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#3136 closed: appveyor: disable artifact collection <tooling> <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3136>
[16:33] <mup> Issue core20#61 opened: /etc/writable is double mounted <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issue/61>
[16:41]  * zyga EODs
[16:44] <mup> PR snapd#8703 closed: tests: detect signs of crashed snap-confine <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8703>
[17:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3137 opened: lifecycle: use snap from path to --check-skeleton <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3137>
[18:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#3135 closed: build providers: set HOME environment variable using posix format <bug> <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3135>
[18:39] <mup> PR snapcraft#3137 closed: lifecycle: use snap from path to --check-skeleton <bug> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3137>
[18:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3138 opened: project: add core20 linker version <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3138>
[19:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3139 opened: pluginhandler: run plugin commands in isolation <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3139>
[19:29] <mup> PR snapd#8689 closed: o/devicestate: raise conflict when requesting system action while seeding <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8689>
[20:25]  * cachio afk
[22:22] <mup> PR core20#62 opened: Build consoleconf from git <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/62>
[23:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#3138 closed: project: add core20 linker version <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3138>


[00:43] <gansbrest> hi. I'm trying to restart solr with upstart, but reload command doesn't seem to do anything
[00:43] <gansbrest> have to use stop start to enforce updated config
[00:44] <gansbrest> I was under impression that it does stop and start behind the scene
[08:33] <xnox> gansbrest: reload simply sends SIGHUP to the daemon process.
[08:33] <xnox> vedic: do you mean server as in the whole machine, or server as in a running daemon?
[15:39] <Tor-Mentor> Hi, im in the process of writing a bootstraping script to start up multiple instances of a process. The script itself works wonders when called at boot, but when called manually with "start my_apps", it does not return to the prompt.
[15:41] <Tor-Mentor> The script is basicly an abstract job with a pre-start script stanza in it.
[15:44] <jodh> Tor-Mentor: what happens when you start it manually? is the job running? can we see the .conf?
[15:44] <xnox> Tor-Mentor: usually with "instances" like jobs you pass a variable as well. E.g. start mymultiinstance MYNAME=foo1
[15:45] <Tor-Mentor> Yeah, the script runs fine. It starts all instances. Its just that i need to hit ^ to return to the prompt.
[15:46] <Tor-Mentor> CTRL + C even. Is pastebin ok?
[15:47] <jodh> Tor-Mentor: sure
[15:47] <Tor-Mentor> http://pastebin.com/YNjyNZmB
[15:50] <Tor-Mentor> jodh: I have no problem starting the instances manually via "start pmm MODULE=xmlserver".
[15:51] <jodh> Tor-Mentor: you should probably specify 'start pmm MODULE=$i || true' to avoid the case where a single instance failing to start will stop all subsequent instances starting.
[15:51] <xnox> Tor-Mentor: why is it a pre-start script, instead of just "script" ... "end script" ?
[15:52] <SpamapS> also
[15:52] <SpamapS> there is no need
[15:52] <SpamapS> just make them all 'start on starting pmm'
[15:52] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: ^^
[15:52] <Tor-Mentor> xnox: I wanted to be able to control all instances using "service myapp stop/start"
[15:53] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: literally, that job can be one line description "Start/stop all the things"
[15:53] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: and they can all just be 'start on starting pmm' and 'stop on stopping pmm'
[15:55] <Tor-Mentor> SpamapS: Im not really following you here. inside pmm I have stop on stopping myapp.
[15:56] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: no, you do not need anything in the pmm job
[15:56] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: in all the oter jobs, just do 'start on starting pmm' and 'stop on stopping pmm'
[15:57] <SpamapS> pmm can literally be a single line       description "this is just a description"
[15:57] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: upstart will keep a "state" for pmm which is either 'start/running' or 'stop/waiting' which you can then use to control all of the other jobs.
[15:58] <SpamapS> IMO upstart could improve on this a bit with the 'while' keyword that was discussed oh so long ago
[16:00] <Tor-Mentor> SpamapS: But pmm is the script that controls the jobs and sets up the environment variables needed for the processes.
[16:00] <SpamapS> ..
[16:01] <Tor-Mentor> I might be misinterpreting you massivly here.
[16:01] <SpamapS> No you're not
[16:01] <Tor-Mentor> Let me append some to the paste, for clarity.
[16:01] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: I used the wrong term
[16:02] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: your job that you're showing there is like 'pmm-controller' right? Thats what I meant as the one that can be a single line
[16:02] <Tor-Mentor> Yeah, exactly.
[16:04] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: ok, so I would create a conf file for each of those modules, that is just this:
[16:04] <SpamapS> start on starting pmm-controller
[16:04] <SpamapS> env MODULE=xmlserver
[16:04] <SpamapS> export MODULE
[16:04] <SpamapS> hm
[16:04] <SpamapS> never mind
[16:05] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: never mind your way should work fine. Ignore me.. need coffee
[16:05] <Tor-Mentor> Let me show you what I got instead :D
[16:05] <Tor-Mentor> SpamapS: So do I! ^^
[16:10] <Tor-Mentor> http://pastebin.com/BihP0yPS Now with 100% more pmm.conf!
[16:17] <Tor-Mentor> jodh: Is there any resources related to that syntax?
[16:20] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: wow
[16:20] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: I think you are doing *WAY* too much in upstart
[16:20] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: I would have almost all of that in a bash script
[16:21] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: and just pass in the module name as the 1st cmdline argument. Then you can separate your concerns (how to launch your program, vs. how to make upstart run your program)
[16:21] <jodh> Tor-Mentor: +1 on SpamapS comment - a .conf file should be very short.
[16:22] <jodh> Tor-Mentor: have upstart 'exec /your/script.sh' and have that script 'exec java $ARGS'.
[16:22] <SpamapS> also that way you can do my previous idea much easier, which is to just have a job per module with 'start on starting pmm-controller' and then just 'exec /start/my/program.sh module_name'
[16:24] <SpamapS> jodh: btw, since there's no UDS, I think we should have an upstart champagne brunch (breakfast-y hours for west coast US..late lunch for you folk) at vuds
[16:24] <jodh> SpamapS: dude, if you're paying, I'm there! ;)
[16:24] <Tor-Mentor> Ahhh, sounds good. I will look into it.
[16:26] <Tor-Mentor> I suppose that would require a expect fork, if im running a bash script instead. Is that correct?
[16:31] <Tor-Mentor> Thanks for the help so far.. Im going to go home and play a bit more with this.
[16:56] <SpamapS> jodh: well I'm paying for my own champagne and toast :)
[16:56] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: that is not correct no
[16:56] <SpamapS> Tor-Mentor: expect fork is only needed if your program daemonizes


[08:08] <Kakadu> Hey. I continue writing script for package system and now I want to do this thing
[08:09] <Kakadu> Let I'm on revision 5. If I execute `bzr pull` than I will be automatically switched to revision N. Are there any way to rint changed files between this two revisions?
[08:09] <Kakadu> print*
[08:11] <Kakadu> N.B. I don't know concrete numbers of revisions. It will be great if magic option for pull exists.
[08:31] <LarstiQ> Kakadu: -v, so `bzr pull -v`
[08:35] <Kakadu> LarstiQ: And how should I grab in my script changed files after that?
[08:36] <LarstiQ> Kakadu: ehm, what is your script trying to do?
[08:37] <Kakadu> I want to check updates from remote repo and print changed files (if they exists)
[08:37] <Kakadu> for example `git diff ` have `--name-only` option
[08:39] <LarstiQ> Kakadu: aha
[08:40] <LarstiQ> Kakadu: so why not use `bzr status -r old..new` then?
[08:44] <Kakadu> to use it my script should know these two numbers. Can I easily get them or should I parse `bzr log`?
[08:48] <LarstiQ> Kakadu: `bzr revno` before and after the pull for example
[08:56] <Kakadu> LarstiQ: great!
[10:32] <fullermd> May not be reliable depending on your workflow; may want to grab the revids instead.
[10:46] <lifeless> should be fine as long as you set the option to prevent mainline revno pivots


[10:59] <H7R> Hi all !
[10:59] <H7R> o/
[11:00] <H7R> why can I go into ##java channel ?
[14:22] <H7R> can't*


[22:34] <highvoltage> http://edubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[22:34] <highvoltage> comments?
[22:39] <alkisg> At first glance, isn't the font size a little small?
[22:42] <blue-frog> hello is there a way to change the attribute standard::icon of a folder?