[12:01] <wood1> I am logged in as ROOT
[12:01] <kremlyn> I return..
[12:01] <Nexinarus> woo i contributed to the laptop hardware support compatibility list,
[12:02] <kremlyn> No luck :-/ Got an error message suggesting the config file was borked
[12:02] <kremlyn> And then restored my old XF86Config-4 and typed 'startx'
[12:02] <MobyTurbo> wood1, you shouldn't log in as root... that's puzzling though, you are using 'openoffice.org*' with single-quotes?
[12:02] <kremlyn> No idea what to do from here, would someone be happy to look at my dual-monitor config file?
[12:03] <MobyTurbo> it should mention that it's matching regexes. That's not an error....
[12:04] <melazyboy> If your removing open office you should use purge too
[12:04] <melazyboy> get rid of those .confs
[12:05] <melazyboy> as in
[12:05] <melazyboy> 'apt-get --purge -qq remove 'openoffice.org*'
[12:06] <wood1> MobyTurbo, Quad while:  apt-get remove openoffice.org* I get these errors
[12:06] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:06] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:06] <wood1>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:06] <Rattboi> wood1: are you going back to warty?
[12:06] <melazyboy> just force it
[12:06] <Rattboi> if you are, I recommend reinstalling from scratch
[12:06] <wood1> No not yet
[12:06] <Rattboi> ok
[12:06] <melazyboy> 'apt-get --purge -qq --force-yes remove 'openoffice.org*'
[12:07] <wood1> All these problems started with OpenOffice package
[12:07] <caro> hello
[12:08] <caro> i would like to read video files with ubuntu
[12:08] <melazyboy> caro, apt-get install vlc
[12:08] <caro> i would like to use gstreamer
[12:09] <caro> more precisely because i have to develop a prog with gstreamer
[12:09] <caro> problem, ubuntu has not much gstreamer plugin
[12:10] <caro> is there a site where there are more gstreamer plugins for ubuntu ?
[12:11] <wood1> melazyboy, apt-get --purge -qq --force-yes remove 'openoffice.org*' did not work
[12:11] <MobyTurbo> caro, universe (and maybe multiverse) have some gstreamer plugins.
[12:11] <wood1> Still the same Erooooorrrrrrrrsss
[12:11] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:11] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:11] <wood1>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:11] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:11] <wood1>  openoffice.org
[12:12] <wood1> How do I actually reinstall openoffice.org ???????
[12:12] <wood1> This is driving me craze since last week
[12:12] <caro> MobyTurbo, well, i'm a newbie with ubuntu/debian (and apt-get or synaptic)
[12:12] <caro> what is universe ?
[12:14] <MobyTurbo> caro, universe is commented out in /etc/apt/sources.list; uncomment it and run apt-get update. Or you can do it in synaptic's menus. The multiverse repository is identical to the "universe" repository that's commented out; add it too.
[12:14] <caro> i try that, thank you
[12:14] <kremlyn> OK, trying again.
[12:15] <wood1> Somebody here "How do I reinstall openoffice.org ???
[12:15] <MobyTurbo> caro, meant to say multiverse is the same as universe except it says "multiverse" where the line says "universe".. but I think you'll get it. :-)
[12:15] <Rattboi> wood1: this is your test machine and you've been having problems for > 1 week
[12:16] <Rattboi> just reinstall
[12:16] <wezzer> umm, selecting it to be uninstalled in synaptic?
[12:16] <caro> MobyTurbo, that's what i thought ;)
[12:16] <wood1> Yes
[12:16] <wood1> Rattboi
[12:17] <wood1> Rattboi, the problem is that I have to get a CD-ROM from another machine and I don't want to do that
[12:17] <wood1> My Testing Hoary Machine does not have a CD Drive
[12:18] <caro> haaa, right
[12:18] <caro> there's more packages now
[12:18] <caro> thanks
[12:18] <MobyTurbo> np
[12:20] <eleazar_> hello
[12:20] <pepsi_> x
[12:20] <eleazar_> no problems, I installed gnome 2.8 repositoy ubuntu in debian sarge no ?
[12:21] <eleazar_> and erase list repositoy ubuntu mirrors the sources.list finish installed gnome 2.8 in debian sarge
[12:21] <eleazar_> ?
[12:23] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, you are mixing Debian sarge and ubuntu repositories, or dist-upgrading to ubuntu?
[12:23] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, the first choice is a bad one, the second choice might work.
[12:24] <wood1> MobyTurbo, is there a way to reinstall Ubuntu without the Ubuntu CD?
[12:24] <eleazar_> I in sources.list reposity ubuntu in debian sarge, and use: apt-get dist-upgra, upgrading much packets gnome ( 2.8 wait ...) and now erase repositoy ubuntu the sources.list
[12:24] <wood1> I mean just through the Internet Connection ?
[12:24] <MobyTurbo> wood1, not that I know of.
[12:24] <eleazar_> no conflics in system no ?
[12:24] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, you erased the Debian or the Ubuntu repositories?
[12:24] <wood1> My problem is that I don't have a CD drive
[12:25] <kremlyn> w00t!
[12:25] <kremlyn> My dual-screen XF86Config-4 loaded fine.. so it means the file is OK..
[12:25] <eleazar_> ubuntu , now finishing dist-upgrade the ubunut, I erase ubuntu repositoryes
[12:26] <eleazar_> and continued with my debian sarge
[12:26] <kremlyn> But do I need to do something in Gnome to get the other screen to "turn on"?
[12:26] <Lathiat> eleazar_: are you trying to get a ubuntu system by dist upgrading a debian sarge system?
[12:26] <eleazar_> sorry my english, I speak spanish ..
[12:26] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, that's asking for breakage. No bueno.
[12:26] <MobyTurbo> :-)
[12:26] <Lathiat> eleazar_: Because that is not recommended, and will almost definately break your system
[12:26] <eleazar_> MobyTurbo, jejeje :-)
[12:27] <Amaranth> I used to speak a little spanish but I can't translate that.
[12:27] <wood1> Does somebody here knows how to Re-install  OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu Hoary ?
[12:27] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org
[12:28] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get clean
[12:28] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:28] <eleazar_> MobyTurbo,
[12:28] <eleazar_> I have put the repositos of ubuntu in my sources.list (of my they debian sarge).  I update with dist-upgrade and gnome 2,8 (or that settles to me soon I create) and I erase the reposito of ubuntu of my sources.list and continuous with my they debian sarge
[12:28] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, do not do that.
[12:29] <eleazar_> why ?
[12:29] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, because apt-get is not designed for that.
[12:29] <Amaranth> eleazar_: You end up with GNOME and all it's dependencies being _completely_ incompatible with anything from debian.
[12:29] <eleazar_> already this in update process
[12:29] <Amaranth> So your system is ruined.
[12:29] <eleazar_> abort process ?
[12:30] <Rattboi> what's the splash kernel option in my grub menu.lst do?
[12:30] <Amaranth> GNOME 2.8 either is in sarge are will be within days, why would you ruin your install to get it?
[12:30] <eleazar_> ok
[12:30] <Amaranth> eleazar_: Have you run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade yet?
[12:30] <Amaranth> Or did you just run apt-get update?
[12:30] <eleazar_> nonwise that saldria I have of little
[12:31] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: Extremely doubtful.
[12:31] <eleazar_> dist-upgrade
[12:31] <wood1> Amaranth, apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org did not work
[12:31] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, competition is good. :-)
[12:31] <Amaranth> Stolen from php-bot: "Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Is it on IRC all the time?  Please be specific!  Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too."
[12:32] <mouu> hi
[12:32] <Amaranth> ;)
[12:32] <Amaranth> hi mouu
[12:32] <alekandr> can anyone help me or advise me on a method to install ubuntu, i downloaded the install iso, and then realised that my cd-writers lens is borked?
[12:32] <mouu> hi Amaranth
[12:32] <eleazar_> Good it will hope to that it leaves gnome 2,8 for sarge, thanks to all for the aid
[12:32] <eleazar_> MobyTurbo,  Amaranth  :-)
[12:32] <alekandr> i tried the debian sarge install floppys, but thats confuzzling
[12:32] <wood1> Can somebody here figure out why I am having the following problems in Hoary ?
[12:33] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:33] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:33] <Amaranth> ouch
[12:33] <mouu> who have pc based on amd64 and with nvidia card?
[12:33] <Amaranth> mouu: Unless nVidia is providing drivers for amd64 systems now you can't get hardware acceleration.
[12:34] <MobyTurbo> mouu, I'll trade you your burdonsome AMD64 for my well-working P4 1.7GHz. Deal? ;-)
[12:34] <Lathiat> haha
[12:34] <crimsun> I have a better deal: just give me your burdensome AMD64
[12:34] <Lathiat> wood1: yeh i know the fix for that, hangon
[12:34] <wood1> Lathiat, really
[12:35] <crimsun> Amaranth: they are.
[12:35] <Amaranth> wood1: Try sudo apt-get -f install openoffice.org
[12:35] <Lathiat> wood1: try dpkg --force-all -r openoffice.org
[12:35] <Lathiat> wood1: then reinstall it
[12:35] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Ack.
[12:35] <Lathiat> Amaranth: -f fixes those problems?
[12:36] <Lathiat> didnt for me last year
[12:37] <alekandr>  can anyone help me or advise me on a method to install ubuntu, i downloaded the install iso, and then realised that my cd-writers lens is borked?
[12:37] <Amaranth> oh!
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> nfs?
[12:37] <Amaranth> wood1: apt-get --reinstall install openoffice.org
[12:37] <kremlyn> Hmm, anyone? My modified for dual screen XF86Config-4 starts with no complaints.. though the other screen just doesn't get out of suspend mode..
[12:37] <Amaranth> score
[12:38] <Lathiat> kremlyn: ah that soudns like a driver problem
[12:38] <Lathiat> kremlyn: is this a laptop?
[12:38] <Lathiat> Amaranth: that wont fix it either
[12:38] <Amaranth> Lathiat: let him try
[12:38] <tom-cat> Hi forks ! Why doesn't ubuntu team put firefox 1.0 to ubuntu main section ?
[12:38] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i've had that problem before :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> tom
[12:38] <crimsun> tom-cat: it's in Hoary.
[12:39] <Amaranth> tom-cat: It came out after woody was released.
[12:39] <crimsun> tom-cat: Warty will not get 1.0
[12:39] <kremlyn> Lathiat: It's a desktop machine.. 1 x GeForce 2 MX400 and 1 x Matrox Millenium
[12:39] <Amaranth> The point of a stable system is that it doesn't change. :P
[12:39] <Lathiat> tom-cat: it was withdrawn from the release because it was buggy
[12:39] <MobyTurbo> tom-cat, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/ for third party packages of ff 1.0
[12:39] <tom-cat> Oh, really?
[12:39] <Amaranth> Lathiat: That was 1.0PR
[12:39] <Lathiat> Amaranth: oh was it?
[12:39] <Amaranth> yep
[12:39] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i thought it was 1.0
[12:39] <Lathiat> my bad
[12:39] <Amaranth> check the version
[12:39] <Rattboi> I got 1.0 installed easily enough on warty
[12:39] <crimsun> (it was 1.0PR)
[12:39] <Lathiat> im running hoary so i dunno :)
[12:40] <kremlyn> Lathiat: So you think a driver issue?
[12:40] <Rattboi> but also I'm on hoary now as well
[12:40] <tom-cat> Lathiat,  where I can get hoary? ;-)
[12:40] <Lathiat> kremlyn: well assumedly your matrox card doesn't handle suspending properly
[12:40] <Nexinarus> hey anyone tested enlightenment with ubuntu? Or runs a different windowmanager?
[12:40] <Rattboi> tom-cat, you running warty?
[12:40] <Lathiat> kremlyn: could be something else, but thats my best guess
[12:40] <tom-cat> yeah
[12:40] <kremlyn> Lathiat: The matrox card is the one that is working ;-)
[12:41] <caro> Nexinarus, which one ? e17 ?
[12:41] <kremlyn> The nvidia one isn't
[12:41] <Demian> hey guys, need a little help here
[12:41] <Nexinarus> any,
[12:41] <Lathiat> kremlyn: doesnt matter either way
[12:41] <tom-cat> Rattboi, yeah
[12:41] <kremlyn> Using driver "nvidia"
[12:41] <Demian> I just installed and the X server dies
[12:41] <Amaranth> tom-cat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:41] <caro> i've run e17 in Xnest, but it should work without any pb
[12:41] <tom-cat> Amaranth, thanks
[12:41] <Demian> can't log on, and I don't know why but it never let me set up the root account!
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> tom-cat, you might want to just run the backport of 1.0 to warty I mentioned.
[12:42] <kremlyn> Demian: It won't, you use sudo.
[12:42] <noam> excuse me, does ubuntu support software suspend, and hiw can I use it?
[12:42] <Amaranth> tom-cat: Read it all, please.
[12:42] <Rattboi> Demian: no root user
[12:42] <Demian> is there a default password?
[12:42] <Amaranth> Demian: root account is locked.
[12:42] <Lathiat> noam: i built some kernel packages with software suspend, but they arent in by default
[12:42] <Amaranth> Demian: Use sudo
[12:42] <Rattboi> you set up some user
[12:42] <kremlyn> or
[12:42] <noam> thanks
[12:42] <Lathiat> Demian: thats in the FAQ< login as the user you setup and use "sudo su -"
[12:42] <kremlyn> sudo passwd root
[12:43] <Amaranth> Lathiat: sudo -s works too
[12:43] <Rattboi> yeah, I just use sudo -s
[12:43] <Lathiat> or that
[12:43] <Amaranth> kremlyn: ick, no reason
[12:43] <Demian> that fixes that...
[12:43] <Lathiat> anyway im off
[12:43] <Lathiat> later all
[12:43] <Amaranth> sudo -s gets you a root shell, leave the root account alone :P
[12:43] <Amaranth> later Lathiat
[12:43] <kremlyn> l8r Lathiat
[12:43] <Demian> I guess you're right about that
[12:43] <azz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -plow
[12:44] <kremlyn> Bugger. Neeeed dual screen :-/
[12:45] <azz> Has anyone here gotten cds from shipit?
[12:45] <kremlyn> So Xconfig is perfectly fine, but now something else is an issue.
[12:45] <MobyTurbo> azz, I have
[12:45] <kremlyn> Does one need to do anything at all in Gnome specifically?
[12:45] <Amaranth> kremlyn: You shouldn't need to.
[12:45] <Demian> thanks peeps, I'll give that a shot
[12:45] <kremlyn> Amaranth: And the nvidia driver works for all nvidia geforce 2 cards..
[12:45] <azz> Does the shipit page cange when they are sent out?
[12:46] <Amaranth> azz: Yeah, it shows how many got shipped and what day.
[12:46] <wood1> I am going crazy with this OpenOffice thing
[12:46] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:46] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:46] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get --reinstall install openoffice.org didn't work?
[12:46] <MobyTurbo> azz, you can find out when your particular shipment left canonical somewhere on the site, forgot where.
[12:46] <wood1> I have tried all the commands listed in this chat room
[12:47] <wood1> since the last 2 hours
[12:47] <azz> Well I ordered way before the 12th of november and mine have not been shipped...  Who writes those messages at the top of #Ubuntu^
[12:47] <MobyTurbo> azz, mine were shipped nov 8th and arrived about three weeks later.
[12:47] <MobyTurbo> hmm, make that more like two and a half.
[12:48] <Amaranth> azz: "Note: The date(s) above are the dates that when the set of shipments began shipping. It may take up to several weeks from that date for some packages to leave the factory and the package could spend several weeks in transit to some locations. We can not pinpoint the mailing date of individual packages."
[12:48] <azz> I am not complaining.  It is just that it says CD order before Nov 12 have been shipped...  You can still order...
[12:50] <MobyTurbo> azz, Mark Shuttleworth is spending over ten million of his own money to ship ubuntu CDs, I don't have any reason for complaining that they weren't shipped federal express. :-)
[12:50] <quitte> has ubuntu support for via epia motherboards? i'm having a really hard time getting dri and mpeg2 accelleration working in debian and am now at a point where i'd consider switching
[12:50] <azz> I am not compaining.
[12:51] <Amaranth> quitte: It's the same as Debian.
[12:51] <MobyTurbo> quitte, ubuntu includes binary ati and nvidia drivers.
[12:51] <Amaranth> quitte: But that's a Linux driver thing, I would think.
[12:52] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, not quite, it has some binary drivers in "restricted"
[12:52] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: I believe the epia mobo has a chip for mpeg2 decompression.
[12:52] <wood1> Amaranth, I  am using Hoary
[12:52] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, interesting.
[12:53] <quitte> there are free drivers for epia. unichrome.sf.net
[12:53] <wood1> Does anybody here knows how to remove or reinstall OpenOffice.org by HOOK or by CROOK
[12:53] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: If that's the case you would need a driver to feed data to the chip and hopefully be able to DMA it right from the chip to the video card.
[12:53] <Amaranth> wood1: just use sudo dpkg --force-all -r openoffice.org
[12:54] <Amaranth> wood1: Lathiat said to awhile ago but I wanted to make sure it was the final option.
[12:54] <wood1> Well I get another Error
[12:55] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove): cannot remove `/usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif': Permission denied
[12:55] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing: openoffice.org
[12:55] <azz> wood1: did you use sudo?
[12:55] <wood1> I am logged in as ROOT
[12:56] <wood1> The funny thing is that there is no "redat.gif" file !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <Amaranth> ugh
[12:56] <Amaranth> that is rather fscked
[12:56] <wood1> What could be wrong with my PC ?
[12:56] <Amaranth> No clue.
[12:57] <Amaranth> The joys of using hoary. :)
[12:57] <olvesh> I am in need of some help.. I got a FS Scaleo T box which I now have ubuntu on. Most of the things work, but I have a hard time using the dvd recorder, and an USB Cardreader. Are there any hickups using dbus-1/hal/udev in <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686? I am using wart btw.
[12:57] <MobyTurbo> wood1, one thing that's wrong with it is that you're running X as root.
[12:58] <crimsun> wood1: does dpkg -l openoffice.org|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}' return 1.1.3-3?
[12:58] <wood1> MobyTurbo: I am using:    sudo -s
[12:58] <olvesh> Some combinations of restarting dbus-1/hal and udev make the cardreader work, but I haven't found any system in the mess..
[12:58] <crimsun> wood1: err, I meant 1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4
[12:59] <olvesh> As for the dvdrecorder, nautilus-cd-burner doesn't give me the option to burn to anything but a file image.
[12:59] <mouu> can I use kernel vanilla?
[12:59] <MobyTurbo> wood1, Oh, that's different...
[01:00] <wood1> crimsun, do I don't understand the command
[01:00] <wood1> after the grep ^ii
[01:02] <Amaranth> olvesh: nautilus-cd-burner is garbage
[01:02] <crimsun> wood1: it filters the version string
[01:02] <Amaranth> but pretty much the only burner app worth anything right now is k3b
[01:02] <thomas_> can someone help me with my network pb  please ?
[01:02] <MobyTurbo> wood1, awk is picking the column where the version field is displayed.
[01:03] <MobyTurbo> wood1, and grep, ICYDK, is searching for a regular expression, ii at the beginning of a line
[01:04] <wood1> crimsun: can you please type the part after ^ii | awk -F
[01:04] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: that returns "1.1.3-2.3ubunt" for me
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, 'm running warty so it's kind of irrelveant. :-) Mine is1.1.2-2ubuntu6
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> oops, bad cut and paste.
[01:07] <wood1> The strange part is :     apt-get update     works fine
[01:07] <wood1> Only after:     apt-get upgrade     give the errors
[01:08] <wood1> Please, Can somebody look at my Errors at: http://pastebin.com/126489
[01:12] <Oly_mk2> hi, just got nice new ubuntu system working :)
[01:13] <wood1> That's good for you
[01:13] <Oly_mk2> first major problems is second monitor what do you use to set that up ?
[01:13] <Oly_mk2> any one know its an nvidia card
[01:14] <Oly_mk2> at the moments it just flashes strange scrambled colours :p
[01:14] <Oly_mk2> very distracting
[01:14] <Amaranth> wow i'm such a geek
[01:15] <Amaranth> it's 6:15am and its my birthday but i've been up all night helping people in here :P
[01:15] <joolz> Amaranth: congrats!
[01:15] <wood1> Happy Birthday Amaranth
[01:15] <olvesh> Amaranth: congrats, now log off and go get a bear..
[01:15] <joolz> or better a beer
[01:15] <olvesh> oh, 6.15. AM
[01:16] <Oly_mk2> happy birthday,
[01:16] <wood1> Crimsun, the version of my OpenOffice is: openoffice.org-bin_1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4_i386.deb)
[01:16] <joolz> or better than that: two beers!
[01:16] <Amaranth> joolz: I just hit the age where smoking is legal, beer might be a bad idea right now. ;)
[01:16] <Oly_mk2> just a beer surealy you men lots of beers
[01:16] <joolz> Amaranth: :)
[01:16] <joolz> Amaranth: well, light up then!
[01:16] <Amaranth> I did 3 minutes ago. :P
[01:16] <wood1> Now can I install Ubuntu from a Network ?
[01:17] <Amaranth> I was staying up so I could go buy some at midnight.
[01:17] <Amaranth> Then I just stayed up longer.
[01:17] <joolz> ah, the milestones in a human life :)
[01:17] <wood1> Are you in America right now ?
[01:17] <Amaranth> yeah
[01:17] <Amaranth> central time, iowa
[01:17] <Rattboi> 6:17 there
[01:17] <wood1> Pres. Bush should thank you
[01:18] <Amaranth> why?
[01:18] <wood1> 18:03 here
[01:18] <Rattboi> for being in a bush state
[01:18] <wood1> Well your state got him the seat for the white house
[01:19] <Amaranth> no, that was ohio
[01:19] <Amaranth> iowa wasn't even counted until about 4 days after they called the election
[01:19] <Amaranth> it was too close to call
[01:19] <wood1> Oh, nevermind, He won
[01:19] <wood1> It's it
[01:19] <Amaranth> i thought you were going to say something about being 18 and the military
[01:20] <wood1> Well I do hope you are not sacred
[01:20] <wood1> Why is America so divided about the Iraq thing ?
[01:21] <Amaranth> wood1: They lied to us and the rest of the world to justify attacking.
[01:21] <wood1> Well that depends on person to person
[01:21] <Amaranth> Said they had hard evidence of WMDs, with pictures.
[01:22] <Amaranth> Was all fake.
[01:22] <wood1> If he or she is a Republican, Pres. Bush did not lie
[01:22] <wood1> If he or she is a Democrat, that Pres. Bush lied
[01:22] <wood1> Everything is fair in Love and War
[01:22] <Amaranth> What if he or she is neither? :)
[01:23] <Tomcat_> I'm neither democrat nor republican. :)
[01:23] <Amaranth> badnarik for president!
[01:23] <wood1> Then it's what our six sense tells us
[01:24] <Amaranth> stupid t_vertex
[01:24] <olvesh> Would you vote for nader then?
[01:24] <Amaranth> olvesh: No, Badnarik. :P
[01:24] <wood1> Anyway, do cut the story short,  how do I install Ubuntu over a Network ?
[01:24] <olvesh> whos that. Further left'?
[01:25] <Amaranth> Libertarian
[01:25] <Amaranth> wood1: I don't think you can.
[01:25] <wood1> Why
[01:25] <wood1> Try me
[01:25] <streuner> wood1: do you believe still iraq had something to do with 11/09?
[01:26] <olvesh> Everybody knows (or should know) that there is no connection there.
[01:31] <olvesh> ok, nuff politics.. About my usb-cardreader, I just found out I have to restart hotplug for the cf card to be found, is there a way around that?
[01:33] <wood1> Well I don't know, streunner
[01:34] <wood1> In fact, I want to know how to install Ubuntu over a Network ?
[01:34] <pisuke> anyone knows if ubuntu cvs executable supports proxy and proxyport? something like this cvs -d
[01:34] <pisuke> :pserver;proxy=www;proxyport=8080:me@there.somedomain:/somerepository
[01:37] <Adrenal> how can i create custom keyboard launcher shortcuts?
[01:38] <theine> is anybody using the debian kernel (i.e. kernel-image-*)?
[01:39] <wood1> hey theine, how do I install Ubuntu over a Network
[01:39] <streuner> wood1: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/6786561.htm?1c
[01:40] <theine> wood1: do you mean an ftp-install or really boot over the network?
[01:40] <daniels> guys, politics is off-topic here.
[01:40] <wood1> Wow, ftp-install sounds Great
[01:40] <arno_> hi, I would like to known something about Ubuntu.
[01:41] <wood1> Yes daniels
[01:41] <wood1> You are right
[01:41] <arno_> I read that ubuntu works woth Gnome. Is it possible to change that easily?
[01:41] <wood1> Hey, theine, how do I install Ubuntu from Ftp ?
[01:41] <theine> wood1: yeah, but i don't think there is a ubuntu netinst iso
[01:41] <theine> wood1: you can't i'm afraid
[01:41] <wood1> Oh
[01:42] <theine> wood1: there is a netboot image though
[01:42] <theine> wood1: but i never did that so i can't tell you much about it
[01:42] <wood1> Can I install Ubuntu from a Windows Network PC ?
[01:42] <theine> wood1: could be, i don't know
[01:43] <wood1> Because my Hoary PC is most probably broken, and that machine does not have a CD-Drive
[01:43] <theine> wood1: why don't you do it the usual way
[01:43] <theine> wood1: oh
[01:43] <theine> wood1: well how did you get ubuntu installed in the first place?
[01:44] <wood1> I removed the CD-ROM from any PC and plugged it into the Hoary Machine
[01:44] <theine> wood1: perhaps you should do that again
[01:44] <theine> wood1: or by a cdrom-drive for 20 bucks
[01:46] <wood1> Well I am not the CEO of my company, I don't get to decide that kind of thing
[01:46] <theine> wood1: only once or what?
[01:47] <wood1> So it's a hassle to go to somebody else's PC, then remove the CD-ROM Drive and mount it on the Hoary Machine
[01:47] <theine> wood1: i can see that in a way
[01:48] <wood1> So the Hoary Machine is broken, how do I install Ubuntu in it once again
[01:48] <theine> wood1: what's broken?
[01:48] <wood1> without a CD-ROM, but I do have broadband connection
[01:49] <wood1> Well it seems that I have misused that Hoary Machine alot
[01:49] <theine> how?
[01:49] <wood1> I did all kinds of things to it and now I am in the middle of nowhere
[01:49] <wood1> Like the US troops in Iraq
[01:50] <theine> i see
[01:50] <wood1> So if I could install Ubuntu once again, it would be nice.
[01:50] <caro> i would like to know if i could use the packages that are in debian-marillat with ubuntu. Is it possible ?
[01:51] <wood1> So if somebody could do tell me if there is any way to install Ubuntu over a Network or directly from an FTP site, that would be great
[01:51] <theine> wood1: would be possible with debian but i think you have to have cdrom to install ubuntu
[01:54] <theine> wood1: is there free space on your harddisk left?
[01:55] <SmokingFire> wood1: install debian then upgrade to ubuntu?
[01:56] <ChrisH> The Warty CD does not boot in a server that works well with e.g. Knoppix. Is there a way I can start with Knoppix and then swap CDs?
[01:56] <theine> SmokingFire: is upgrading from sarge actually kind of supported?
[01:56] <ChrisH> theine: yes, there is a page on the wiki about it... but don't do it unless you really need to :)
[01:56] <SmokingFire> theine: I have no idea
[01:57] <theine> ChrisH: no no, I sure won't
[01:57] <wood1> But I found  installing Debian to be a little hard
[01:57] <ChrisH> theine: the sarge and warty versions are similar so you may be lucky. But it's not really recommended.
[01:57] <theine> ChrisH: what do you get when you boot the warty install cd?
[01:58] <pisuke> ChrisH, maybe you could try the ubuntu live cd.
[01:58] <ChrisH> "boot sector not found" :)
[01:58] <ChrisH> pisuke: don't have it here currently... left it at work
[01:58] <ChrisH> Next thing would be to screw out the server and install another CD-ROM because the CD works on any other system.
[01:58] <theine> ChrisH: that is what the bios tells you i guess?
[01:58] <ChrisH> theine: I think so.
[01:59] <theine> ChrisH: and the very same CD works on other systems?
[01:59] <ChrisH> yup
[01:59] <theine> ChrisH: and other bootable cd's work on that server?
[02:00] <ChrisH> theine: at least knoppix does
[02:00] <theine> ChrisH: how odd...
[02:01] <SmokingFire> wood1: on slashdot they showed the new debian installer, which is exactly like the one ubuntu uses.
[02:02] <theine> wood1: and there are debian installer images for usb memory sticks and so on
[02:03] <theine> is anybody using the debian kernel image (i.e. kernel-image-*)?
[02:04] <ChrisH> Even the old woody CD is booting. Very weird...
[02:05] <Syberius> is anyone able to tell me how I can get my USB MP3 player to show in linux, the hard drive part of it. the device settings say it is connected
[02:06] <ChrisH> Syberius: you should see another icon on the desktop if hotplug detected it
[02:06] <Syberius> and if it didnt?
[02:06] <ChrisH> Syberius: try the menu "Computer" and then "Drives" - does it show up?
[02:06] <Syberius> nope
[02:06] <Syberius> it is an oracom one,
[02:07] <ChrisH> Syberius: No idea. both my USB card reader for SD cards and my MP3 player (Acer) work out of the box.
[02:07] <Syberius> i found an ariticle about getting their devices working but it involved doing a make menuconfig on the kernel source (which I can find)
[02:07] <Syberius> *cant
[02:10] <theine> Syberius: I would guess you don't have to do the menuconfig stuff
[02:10] <theine> Syberius: what does dmesg tell you?
[02:17] <Syberius> theine: new full speed USB device using address 4, then it says its using full SCSI emulation
[02:18] <Syberius> last line it gave me was :USB Mass Storage device found at 4
[02:18] <theine> Syberius: do you see anything like /dev/sda, /dev/sda1,... in that output?
[02:18] <Syberius> no
[02:19] <theine> Syberius: which kernel are you using?
[02:19] <Syberius> ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[02:19] <theine> Syberius: what's that webpage you were talking about?
[02:20] <Syberius> http://software.lpetrov.net/dion-mx/
[02:20] <Syberius> only problem is it is 2 years out of date
[02:21] <qqq> hi
[02:21] <Gmail> yo
[02:21] <qqq> somebody can tell me hoarty's repository?
[02:22] <qqq> can somebody tell me hoarty's repository?
[02:22] <theine> ok, do you see something like "sda: ..." in the dmesg output?
[02:22] <kent> qqq, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:23] <Syberius> theine: no, just the 3 lines i mentioned
[02:23] <qqq> thanks
[02:23] <theine> Syberius: what does "lsmod | grep usb" give you?
[02:24] <theine> Syberius: nothing?
[02:24] <qqq> I must wait Aprl 2005?
[02:25] <Syberius> what would i be looking for, there is a usb_storage on the ide core...
[02:25] <Syberius> scsi_mod has usb_storage
[02:25] <Syberius> usb_core has it
[02:26] <theine> Syberius: so that should be fine
[02:26] <theine> Syberius: does /dev/sda exist?
[02:26] <Syberius> i just cant get it it mount
[02:26] <Syberius> nope
[02:27] <theine> Syberius: and re-plugging the thing doesn't help either?
[02:27] <Syberius> mount: special device /dev/sda does not exist (same for sda1) and I have tried that too
[02:27] <Syberius> (taking it out and putting it back in again)
[02:28] <theine> Syberius: I don't think I can help you then
[02:29] <Syberius> thats ok, thanks for trying
[02:29] <theine> Syberius: sure
[02:29] <kent> Is it considered a bug if i cant get shared-admin to work in Ubuntu Hoary using vmware? I have tried to get it to work for several times but always gets a message about wrong password, and im sure its the correct password im entering. The problem have been there for some upgrades now.
[02:30] <Jazumi> hi
[02:30] <Jazumi> ive read that ubuntu is debian based, so it has apt, isnt it?
[02:31] <theine> Jazumi: it sure has
[02:31] <Jazumi> and what is its default desktop environtment?
[02:31] <theine> Jazumi: Gnome 2.8
[02:31] <Jazumi> wow nice :D
[02:31] <Jazumi> thank you ;)
[02:31] <theine> you're welcome
[02:31] <Jazumi> does it comes with kernel 2.6.9 or later?
[02:32] <Syberius> how would I go about installing a .bin file (aMSN installer)
[02:32] <theine> it comes with <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:32] <Jazumi> ouch >.<
[02:32] <Jazumi> i have problems with that kernel
[02:32] <Jazumi> i can make pings
[02:32] <theine> Syberius: make it executable: chmod +x *.bin
[02:32] <Jazumi> but i can not visit webpages and make apt-get
[02:32] <theine> Jazumi: I think there is a fix for that
[02:33] <Jazumi> can you help me?
[02:33] <theine> Jazumi: could be, if i find that again
[02:33] <theine> Jazumi: has something to do with broken routers
[02:33] <Jazumi> i think the problem is cuz of iptables, not sure
[02:33] <Jazumi> my router isnt broken :P
[02:33] <Jazumi> with 2.6.7 or 2.6.9 kernel it works fine
[02:34] <theine> Jazumi: have a look at http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
[02:34] <Jazumi> okej
[02:34] <Jazumi> thank you :)
[02:35] <theine> Jazumi: ok, ``broken'' is a bit harsh
[02:35] <Jazumi> oks i understand you now ;)
[02:35] <Syberius> and yet one more stupid question, how can I add launchers to the application menu (like nautilius --browser) for exampele?
[02:36] <theine> Jazumi: no problem
[02:43] <kent> Syberius, in nautilus, choose open location and type "applications:///! without the " ".  That way you can add/remove things in the menu.
[02:47] <Syberius> thanks
[02:47] <jjgan> hi
[02:47] <jjgan> some body can help me about a connexion problem to a xorg server ?
[02:48] <Gmail|SLEEP> Syberius: or add x menu's support for gnome and uses cfve's menu editor
[02:48] <jjgan> (sorry for my bad english)
[02:51] <Gmail|SLEEP> jjgan: ask away
[02:51] <Gmail|SLEEP> night
[02:52] <kent> Syberius, i hope you understood that i ment "applications:///" and not "applications:///!    :)
[02:53] <kent> Gmail|SLEEP, what do you meen with x menu's support?
[02:54] <jordi> mako: dude I'm leaving in about 10 mins. I arrive at BCN at 7, at Matar at 8 or so I guess.
[02:55] <Gmail|SLEEP> kent: x.org set a standard for menus
[02:57] <kent> Gmail|SLEEP, Its not possible to use that with Ubuntu warty is it? Since warty dont come with x.org :(
[03:00] <Rattboi> kent, that would be correct
[03:00] <Rattboi> won't work with warty
[03:01] <johane> what does x.org have to do with menus?
[03:03] <Rattboi> apparently Gmail|SLEEP said that x.org set a standard for menus
[03:03] <kent> x.org and the menu's has to do with freedesktop.org.
[03:03] <bob2> please just ignore GMAIL
[03:03] <johane> kent, yeah
[03:03] <bob2> x.org is not one of his specialities
[03:04] <Rattboi> yeah, that's what I was about to say
[03:04] <Syberius> how can I configure samba?
[03:04] <Rattboi> maybe he meant freedesktop's menu standard
[03:05] <johane> probably, so it doesn't require x.org at all, rather a cvs version of gnome
[03:05] <cardador> Syberius: sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:05] <bob2> I suspect he was just making it up
[03:05] <Rattboi> lol
[03:05] <Rattboi> does he do that a lot?
[03:05] <johane> heh :O
[03:05] <cardador> Syberius: if you want gui, install Swat
[03:07] <kent> (sorry for asking again) If i have problems using shares-admin in Ubuntu Hoary in vmware, should that be regarded as a bug right now? Its been there over a few upgrades now. It complains about bad password, but i know its the correct. And it seems to have other issues as well when i start from a root terminal.
[03:08] <bob2> Jazumi: please turn that off
[03:09] <Syberius> if an application has crashed and wont close, how can you force it to?
[03:09] <bob2> "xkill"
[03:10] <Syberius> now that is funky, wish windows had that, would have saved me hours of work over the years
[03:11] <bob2> note that not all processes can be killed
[03:11] <bob2> it's possible for them to hang in such a way that the kernel is unable to destroy them
[03:12] <magnon> kent: File a bug in bugzilla, and you'll get comments from there :)
[03:12] <cardador> has anyone noticed some problems with hoary recently? namely usb devices
[03:12] <magnon> cardador: yeah, I have. It doesn't show up on the desktop anymore
[03:12] <magnon> haven't bothered to look into it yet
[03:12] <Jazumi> (bob2): sorry
[03:13] <Jazumi> good bye everybody ;P
[03:13] <cardador> magnon: but do they mount and unmount normally?
[03:13] <magnon> let me check
[03:14] <JStrike> How can I see re-run any scripts that apt runs?
[03:15] <magnon> well, thing is, I have to unplug and replug the usb card reader to make it mount
[03:15] <magnon> but then everything works
[03:15] <magnon> well, I get the "import photos" dialog, but nautilus still doesn't see it
[03:15] <magnon> JStrike: you want to see them, or re-run then?
[03:16] <magnon> like, you can run things as dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[03:17] <JStrike> magnon : See them preferably. There were instructions I want to read again
[03:17] <magnon> you mean that when you install a package, you get a dialog asking you what to do?
[03:17] <magnon> not actually see the script (source code), but do what the script does once more
[03:17] <magnon> that's dpkg-reconfigure
[03:18] <Falstius> magnon, I think what he really wants is a log of the output
[03:18] <JStrike> magnon : No. After/during installing it gave me instructions on something I had to do after it was installed. But I forgot what it  was I had to do
[03:19] <magnon> Ah.
[03:20] <magnon> JStrike: sorry, I moved to debian when switching to ubuntu at first, so I don't know dpkg that well
[03:20] <JStrike> Damn
[03:24] <Falstius> JStrike, the cheap and ugly way is probably to just do less on the .deb
[03:25] <Falstius> or go to the softwares website and read the howto/faq
[03:25] <JStrike> That is what I am busy sitting though at the moment
[03:25] <Falstius> what is the software?
[03:26] <JStrike> MythTV
[03:26] <garcia> Hiya... just trying the ubuntu distributions. Got a question: Can I play a DVD if I'm loading the Live CD in my laptop, you know, I only have one CDrom in the laptop.
[03:26] <Falstius> garcia, I thought ubuntu had dvd playback disabled by default.
[03:28] <MobyTurbo> garcia, if you can add software to the live CD go to the address in the "RestrictedFormats" page of the wiki mentioned in the /topic and follow the instructions there.
[03:28] <garcia> Well Faltsius, I really dont know. I just tried the Live CD so far, and fired up the Totem player... but haven-t been able to see it through because the DVD player is "locked" because the system software is running from there.
[03:29] <Falstius> huh, I've never used the ubuntu liveCD, but with other distros I could eject the CD while using it.
[03:30] <garcia> MobyT thank you, I do not understand though how could adding software to the live CD would help me in reading the DVD.
[03:30] <iglo1> has anyone else noticed Xinerama changing behaviour from stable to unstable?
[03:30] <thomas_> i've go a problem with my network, help please :'--(
[03:30] <Falstius> garcia, ubuntu doesn't support DVD playback out of the box for legal reasons so you have to install some extra software first.
[03:31] <garcia> Faltsius: I see.
[03:32] <garcia> Let me check the wiki page then.
[03:32] <hypegt> anyone know how to add startup programs with hoary?
[03:32] <thomas_> i've just install the ubuntu. During the installation the ubuntu connect to internet to download update..  all seems to be good.  when reboot, and back to X .. network doesn't work  :(( why ?
[03:33] <thomas_> help please
[03:34] <garcia> thomas_ im no buntu expert, but I guess your installation somewhat improvises an ad hoc network configuration perhaps? Whereas when your sistem is in production state, you have to configure net by yourself?
[03:34] <thomas_> I've try to change route, .. ifconfig .. but th eproblem is the same
[03:34] <garcia> thomas how much of an experience you have? Oh, I see, you-ve tried some stuff but havent succeeded?
[03:34] <iglo1> I understand this could be a problem with about 1000 things that really aren't related to ubuntu at all, but I don't know where else to look.
[03:34] <thomas_> garcia, I've tryc to change IP .. route ..
[03:34] <JStrike> Has anybody managed to get MythTV working on Ubuntu?
[03:35] <wood1> Hello thomas
[03:35] <thomas_> hello wood1
[03:35] <wood1> Hello garcia
[03:35] <Rattboi> yo all
[03:35] <wood1> I have a serious problem in Hoary
[03:35] <wood1> Hi Rattboi
[03:35] <Rattboi> really? tell me about it :P
[03:35] <garcia> Hi wood1
[03:35] <Rattboi> does it have to do with OpenOffice?
[03:35] <Rattboi> or resolutions?
[03:35] <wood1> Bingo, yes
[03:35] <wood1> I am going nuts today
[03:36] <Falstius> thomas, what does /sbin/ifconfig output?  could you post it to  http://paste.plone.org
[03:36] <wood1> How can I reinstall OpenOffice
[03:36] <HWolf> boot synaptic, and flag openoffice for reinstallation
[03:36] <HWolf> or apt-get reinstall <packagename>
[03:36] <Rattboi> HWolf, no good
[03:37] <Rattboi> he was here a few hours ago
[03:37] <Rattboi> somethings seriously wrong
[03:37] <HWolf> first purge openoffice, then reinstall
[03:37] <cyrus-tc> where are the dynamically loadable php modules in warty? i can't run phpMyAdmin :/
[03:37] <wood1> Hi  HWolf,  have also tried that .. it did not work
[03:37] <spity> cyrus-tc: /usr/lib/php
[03:38] <HWolf> woodl, are you running hoary?
[03:38] <cyrus-tc> spity, thx i ll take a look ;)
[03:38] <Rattboi> HWolf: iirc, he got stuck purging at some image file, and it was a permission problem, but he was root
[03:38] <wood1> Yes HWolf
[03:38] <garcia> Ok guys, I'm checking this about Restricted Formats. Im curios as to whether I could play the DVD at the same time I had the system running in the same drive for the Live CD? I guess it could be done, but perhaps some special boot procedures and config might be needed for an alternate Live CD to work like that?
[03:38] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[03:38] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing: openoffice.orgE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:39] <cyrus-tc> spity, no - there is no dir
[03:39] <wood1> Can somebody explain to me what the above statement means ?
[03:39] <HWolf> Ugh, what the hell have those evil people done to ooo.  :-S
[03:40] <garcia> thomas, well, good luck, I suppose you could get always help from the net howto as well... start with simple detection, like Ping, etc, and go all the way up: try detecting firewall or other issues, etc. Yes, of course, the first thing that should be working is the eth0 :-)
[03:40] <cardador> HWolf: install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome :)
[03:41] <thomas_> garcia, I ping my own card, but not my router who is on the same switch.
[03:41] <thomas_> no cables problems
[03:41] <thomas_> ifconfig tell me that all seems to be ok.
[03:41] <thomas_> route too.
[03:41] <thomas_> so that's why I'm a little bit nervous ;(
[03:42] <wood1> Ok I give up on that problem, I will reinstall Ubuntu, but the problem here is that I don't have a local CD Drive
[03:42] <wood1> How can I install Ubuntu from a Network
[03:42] <HWolf> Is there anyone here good at configuring alsa?
[03:43] <Rattboi> wood1: you have another computer with Ubuntu on it?
[03:43] <wood1> Yes I am now on a Machine with Warty
[03:43] <Rattboi> ok, just a sec
[03:43] <Rattboi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:45] <JStrike> So it seems MythTV doesn't run under Ubuntu
[03:46] <wood1> Rattboi, can I install Ubuntu from FTP ?
[03:46] <wood1> thanks for the link, I am looking at it now
[03:46] <HWolf> Can anyone here help me figure out why my ALSA is broken?
[03:47] <cyrus-tc> spity, i ve figured out - you have to add the universe packages to install "php4-mysql" .. can't understand why this package is not accessible in restricted warty...
[03:47] <cyrus-tc> then the path for "extension_dir" is "./usr/lib/php4/20020429/"
[03:48] <Rattboi> HWolf: Myth packages are in the multiverse
[03:50] <Rattboi> but you have to compile xmltv
[03:50] <Rattboi> http://www.dme.org/log/2004/11/29/mythtv
[03:51] <HWolf> rattboi, I don't want mith, I want my system and rhytmbox music.
[03:51] <HWolf> :-)
[03:51] <Rattboi> rhythmbox?
[03:51] <Rattboi> I got that working this evening
[03:51] <Rattboi> I prefer beep media player though
[03:51] <garcia> Hey thomas, sorry for ignoring your question. I was out. While I cannot be sure of the cause of your problem, I could say Ive had a weird problem once where despite all machines were connected to the same hub, some of them would not talk to some others. :-\ Dunno if it applies to your problem. Well guys, gotta leave. Thank you.
[03:51] <freemymind> sorry to keep asking about this just need to know , does anyone have phpBB2 working? I finally got phpmyadmin working and still fighting with pnpBB2
[03:52] <Rattboi> oh, I guess I meant JStrike
[03:52] <HWolf> rattboi, I don't even have the system sounds at the moment...
[03:52] <wood1> Rattboi, I can SSH to the Hoary Machine, can something be done from this Machine to reinstall Ubuntu on the problematic PC ?
[03:52] <Rattboi> wood1: I really don't know
[03:52] <Rattboi> I've never done any SSH stuff
[03:53] <HWolf> rattboi, you can't do a clean install with an ssh connection. You need to keep the ssh server running on the pc you're working on, as soon as it goes down in a kernel reboot or whatever, you get kicked out.
[03:54] <Rattboi> yeah, makes sense
[03:55] <wood1> Well can I control the install process from a remote Machine
[03:55] <HWolf> Ofcourse, you could, if you scripted everything you wanted done, executed them, then beg you can get back in when it's done, but that's a difficult, and b risky.
[03:55] <beezly> do any of the hoary daily cd installers supporting root raid yet?
[03:55] <wood1> HWofl,  Can you teach me How to do that?
[03:56] <HWolf> woodl, I'd not try a full re-install of the system remotely, but you can ofcourse mess around, aslong as the network and ssh stay up, you'll be fine.
[03:56] <Amaranth> wood1: Let me get you a Debian network install guide
[03:56] <Amaranth> it might apply to ubuntu
[03:56] <HWolf> woodl, No, i couldn't.
[03:56] <HWolf> That might work.
[03:56] <Amaranth> by network install i mean SSH into the computer you're installing on
[03:57] <Amaranth> wood1: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
[03:57] <wood1> Wow Amaranth, that sounds great
[03:58] <Pugio> Question
[03:58] <Pugio> might actually be related to the current topic
[03:58] <Pugio> I am trying to do a netboot install of Ubuntu on a machine I have
[03:58] <Pugio> but I'm a bit confused
[03:58] <Amaranth> wood1: instead of a debootstrap rpm pull the deb off the ubuntu isntall CD
[03:59] <Pugio> Do I need internet access to perform a netboot install?
[03:59] <Pugio> All I want to do is perform an installation exactly like the CD... only a netboo
[03:59] <Amaranth> you mean to boot from a NFS volume?
[03:59] <Pugio> which I have no idea how to do
[04:00] <Pugio> I have one computer that already has Ubuntu on it
[04:00] <Pugio> the other (target/client) computer has no CD/floppy drive, but it does have netboot capability
[04:00] <Pugio> I want to put ubuntu on this machine
[04:00] <Pugio> But I'mm not sure how
[04:04] <wood1> Well Amaranth, the problem of installing from an Ubuntu CD is that my problematic Hoary Machine does not have a CD nor a Floppy drive
[04:04] <Pugio> Same here
[04:04] <Amaranth> wood1: You aren't installing from CD.
[04:04] <Pugio> :(
[04:04] <mirak> I can't make lilo boot on the windows install wich is on the slave disk. however I can boot windows, when choosing to boot on this slave disk from the bios
[04:04] <zenwhen> If you need to do a net install Perhpas Debian is the answer.
[04:05] <zenwhen> perhaps*
[04:05] <Pugio> ?
[04:05] <Pugio> how so?
[04:05] <zenwhen> Because Ubuntu does not support net installs.
[04:05] <zenwhen> At all.
[04:05] <Amaranth> wood1: Pull the debootstrap deb off the CD on the machine you're using to SSH
[04:05] <mirak> is it possible to make lilo boot on the second disk ?
[04:05] <Amaranth> zenwhen: That isn't true.
[04:05] <zenwhen> How do you do a net install?
[04:05] <Pugio> zenwhen: then how come there's a netboot directory on the ubuntu cd?
[04:05] <zenwhen> That was the answer I got when I asked.
[04:05] <Pugio> ahem
[04:05] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/Netboot%20InstallHowto
[04:06] <Amaranth> exactly :P
[04:06] <Pugio> I would like to draw your attention to the following directory on the i386 install CD
[04:06] <zenwhen> Oh cool
[04:06] <zenwhen> Well I was misled.
[04:06] <Pugio> "/install/netboot"
[04:06] <Pugio> now, the problem is, I'm not actually sure how to do this
[04:06] <zenwhen> wow welcome to three minute ago
[04:06] <Amaranth> ok, damn
[04:07] <Amaranth> it needs a floppy drive
[04:07] <Falstius> could do it with a usb key
[04:07] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791
[04:07] <wood1> Wow, I read that stuff in: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
[04:07] <Amaranth> its for an IBM laptop but if you can netboot you know how to do that step
[04:07] <Amaranth> wood1: and?
[04:08] <wood1> That seems a pretty long process
[04:08] <Amaranth> it's a huge hack
[04:08] <Pugio> a usb key?
[04:08] <Pugio> I have a usb key, how can I do it with that?
[04:08] <wood1> I guess I have to remove the CD drive and just mount it on the problematic Hoary Machine
[04:08] <Amaranth> wood1: i can guide you through parts you don't understand
[04:08] <Falstius> usb memory stick.  Some of them can be made bootable
[04:08] <Pugio> right, but my bios doesn't support that:(
[04:09] <Amaranth> Pugio: Read that second link I gave you.
[04:09] <Falstius> then what are you doing with a computer without CD, floppy or USB boot support?
[04:09] <Amaranth> Falstius: It could be a laptop.
[04:09] <wood1> Amaranth, the main problem that I have been having in the Hoary Machine is that I get a screen resolution of only 640 x 480
[04:09] <Pugio> No it's a normal desktop/tower
[04:09] <Pugio> problem is the CD drive and floppy drive both broke
[04:09] <Pugio> As I said however, it does have netboot capabilities
[04:10] <Pugio> only the newest BIOS's have usb boot capability
[04:10] <Amaranth> wood1: and? i meant i could guide you through the ssh ubuntu install :P
[04:10] <wood1> Till yesterday, the problematic Hoary Machine's screen resolution worked fine in 1024 x 768 mode
[04:10] <Falstius> sorry, I've never played with netboot outside of embedded controllers in VME crates.
[04:10] <wood1> I did something that I can't remember that made my screen resolution to 640 x 480
[04:10] <Pugio> Amaranth: I had read that link, but I still have a question: Do I need the internet for this?
[04:11] <Amaranth> Pugio: hrm
[04:11] <Amaranth> no idea
[04:11] <Pugio> I mean, all I want to do is do a "normal" cd install  ala netboot
[04:11] <Amaranth> doesn't seem to need to
[04:11] <wood1> Amaranth, as I said, the OpenOffice problem is a minor thing, it's the resolution that matters to me more
[04:12] <wood1> Do you have any clue why my screen resolution is limited only to 640 x 480 ?
[04:12] <Amaranth> wood1: Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution can't increase it?
[04:12] <Falstius> wood, probably using the wrong driver in /etx/X11/XF86config
[04:12] <Amaranth> wood1: do you use a binary ATI or nVidia driver for video?
[04:12] <Falstius> most likely vga instead of whatever your hardware is
[04:12] <wood1> Yes it can't
[04:12] <Amaranth> your kernel could have gotten updated
[04:13] <Amaranth> which means you need to reinstall the binary driver
[04:13] <wood1> My Video card is an inbuilt Intel 810 graphics card
[04:13] <Amaranth> ok, ouch
[04:13] <Amaranth> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:14] <Amaranth> until it asks you for Advanced, Medium, Easy or whatever you can usually just accept the defaults
[04:14] <wood1> I did that a few times but I am still facing the same 640 x 480 problem
[04:14] <Amaranth> when you get to that choice choose Medium and pick a nice large resolution
[04:14] <Amaranth> ok, no clue then
[04:14] <Amaranth> this is why you run warty :P
[04:14] <wood1> Yes, what after the Advanced thing ?
[04:15] <Amaranth> don't pick advanced
[04:15] <Amaranth> pick medium
[04:15] <Falstius> why is everyone trying to run hoary?  seems it is still rather unstable.
[04:15] <Rattboi> Falstius, because it's funner :P
[04:15] <Amaranth> Falstius: I have a feeling a lot of them are Debian sid people that switched for GNOME 2.8.
[04:16] <Falstius> Rattboi, maybe I should rephrase, why are a bunch of noobs trying to run an unstable distro?
[04:16] <wood1> Now regarding the limited 640 x 480 resolution in Hoary, is that due to XOrg or my Video Card ?
[04:16] <wood1> Well I am using Hoary just for fun on a test machine
[04:16] <Amaranth> Falstius: XComposite :P
[04:16] <Amaranth> wood1: nfi, i stick to older radeon cards and the dri project
[04:16] <Rattboi> wood1: it's not x.org
[04:17] <wood1> Then it's my Video card
[04:17] <Falstius> Amaranth, freeDesktop.org eye candy?
[04:17] <Rattboi> if x.org only supported 640x480, nobody would use it
[04:17] <Amaranth> Falstius: Yeah, shadows and transparency.
[04:17] <Amaranth> Real shadows and real transparency.
[04:17] <wood1> As I said it was working fine on a resolution of 1024 x 768 till yesterday
[04:17] <Falstius> gah.  *running xfce, eye candy light*
[04:18] <Amaranth> wood1: What got updated yesterday?
[04:18] <wood1> I forgot
[04:18] <Amaranth> wood1: Go back to warty.
[04:18] <alexissoft> hi
[04:18] <wood1> I think I did:   dpkg --configure -a    or something I don't remember
[04:19] <cardador> im running hoary with shadows and transparencies, and ive got no problems
[04:19] <Falstius> wood, if you want to learn a little voodoo, poke through the /etc/X11/*.conf files
[04:19] <wood1> Amaranth, as I said, is it possible to install an OS using SSH
[04:19] <ctr> ok, who runs ubuntu on ppc ?
[04:19] <Falstius> I don't remember if ubuntu uses XF86Config or xorg.conf
[04:19] <wood1> By the way, you were about to teach me how to do that
[04:19] <Amaranth> wood1: I gave you the answer and a guide.
[04:19] <Pugio> I do
[04:19] <Pugio> or, I will soon
[04:19] <Amaranth> Falstius: xorg.conf for xorg
[04:19] <Pugio> ctr: what's your problem?
[04:19] <Amaranth> its just mv XF86Config xorg.conf
[04:20] <alexissoft> i've a big problem with ubuntu and a dual screen computer
[04:20] <Falstius> Amaranth, okay.  Xorg will use whichever exists.
[04:20] <Rattboi> yeah, whichever is there
[04:20] <ctr> Pugio, no problem, more of a case of how well it installs and sets up
[04:20] <wood1> Amaranth, shall we begin the installation of Debian using SSH
[04:20] <Rattboi> my xorg.conf IS a direct copy of my old XFree86-4 config
[04:20] <alexissoft> i start it, and the first screen is initialized with magenta stips
[04:20] <alexissoft> (for X)
[04:20] <alexissoft> the second screen is going up
[04:20] <Amaranth> wood1: no, you should begin the installation of Ubuntu using SSH
[04:20] <alexissoft> and no image
[04:20] <alexissoft> X crash
[04:20] <Amaranth> wood1 -> PM
[04:21] <ddepiano> I upgraded from another distro, but where is the print spooler location so I can set up Samba print sharing?
[04:21] <wood1> Yes Amaranth
[04:21] <Falstius> I hear Xinerama ... I miss my dual-monitor goodness ;(
[04:21] <alexissoft> with only one videocard it's rocks
[04:21] <alexissoft> but not with dualscreen
[04:21] <alexissoft> ;)
[04:25] <hypegt> anyone know an easy way to add startup programs with hoary? no more 'sessions' and my brain's went to bed for the night
[04:25] <Wiseguy> hi - I'm searching for a printer or a combined printer/scanner model that 100% works in ubuntu
[04:25] <Wiseguy> any tipps for me?
[04:25] <Falstius> hypegt, isn't there a Startup directory in your home directory?
[04:26] <cardador> Wiseguy: i have hp officejet r65 and works flawlessly
[04:26] <Amaranth> wood1: ?
[04:26] <Falstius> Wiseguy, I couldn't get the HP5100 to scan (tried for about 30 minutes)
[04:27] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:27] <Wiseguy> so you're saying that I should stick to HP?
[04:27] <Wiseguy> because I tried an epson cx3200 in fedora core 3 and it was recognised automatically
[04:27] <Wiseguy> and worked flawlessly
[04:27] <Falstius> I'm am saying I COULD NOT get it to scan.  Never tried anything else.
[04:27] <Wiseguy> but not in ubuntu - sadly
[04:27] <hypegt> Falstius: nope, should there be?
[04:28] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:28] <Falstius> hypegt, I think that's the new standard.  Could try creating it and then putting in softlinks to the executables or scripts you want to run.  I've never done it.
[04:28] <alexissoft> i've the HPBI1100
[04:29] <alexissoft> works fine
[04:29] <alexissoft> but with a cups server :)
[04:29] <Falstius> hypegt: but it can't hurt .. much ;)
[04:29] <Wiseguy> cardador, where can I get an officejet r65?
[04:29] <alexissoft> Wiseguy, in a shop
[04:29] <alexissoft> in your grocery store ;)
[04:29] <hypegt> Falstius: cool, just trying to get tpb to run on startup and i'll have everything from the hoary install cleared up, woohoo
[04:30] <Wiseguy> so it's still sold..
[04:30] <Wiseguy> because I tried at an onlinestore and they didn't have it
[04:30] <alexissoft> s/in/at/
[04:30] <cardador> Wiseguy: well, if you live in Portugal I can tell you a shop :)
[04:30] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:30] <Wiseguy> that would be some 2000 km too far
[04:30] <Wiseguy> but thanks for the offer
[04:31] <Wiseguy> ;D
[04:31] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:31] <Wiseguy> well, seems like I'll have to stick with a single printer + scanner solution
[04:31] <Wiseguy> I looked at the hardware compatibility list on the ubuntu wiki
[04:31] <Wiseguy> there aren't many devices listed
[04:32] <Wiseguy> is there any other source where I could look for such stuff?
[04:32] <Amaranth> if it works in debian it should work in ubuntu
[04:32] <Wiseguy> all I need is a printer and a scanner which work flawlessly
[04:32] <Falstius> wiseguy, there is support for it.  Most of the scanner printers are really just an old scanner repackaged and so you can tell ubuntu to pretend it is that.  Check out the xsane information.
[04:32] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:32] <Wiseguy> ok
[04:33] <Amaranth> and the gentoo forums offer ways to get printers and such working with gentoo, shouldn't be much different to get them to work on ubuntu
[04:33] <Wiseguy> I think I'll fetch my old scanner from my parents place and try that one out
[04:33] <hypegt> Falstius: oops, thanks for the help too ;)
[04:33] <Wiseguy> thanks Amaranth
[04:33] <Falstius> what is tpb?
[04:35] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[04:35] <Amaranth> yep
[04:36] <Amaranth> i have about 20 minutes, did you see my PMs?
[04:36] <Amaranth> oh, you can't respond to me
[04:36] <Amaranth> you can now
[04:38] <hypegt> Falstius: thinkpad buttons
[04:40] <Falstius> hypegt, ahh.  Cool.  I ran my button support directly from the .xsessions file.
[04:42] <hustla> lo
[04:47] <tux> whats a good p2p client for ubuntu >
[04:47] <tux> anyone any recommendations ?
[04:48] <kent> tux, limewire,  bittorent-programs (azureus), dc-gui
[04:48] <Falstius> bit torrent is tasty.  Choose your flavor.
[04:49] <Falstius> so nice to download linux distros at 700 kb/s
[04:50] <zooko> BT downloaded the ubuntu install iso way faster than http did.
[04:51] <zooko> I had a race.  After the winner became clear I shut the HTTP connection.
[04:51] <cardador> tux: limewire is nice
[04:51] <Simira> anyone arrived in Mataro yet?
[04:51] <Falstius> I can't run bit-torrent here, its against the computing regulations even for download legal things :(
[04:52] <Falstius> I also got a nasty note for running ethereal.  Bastards.
[04:53] <hypegt> Falstius: time to test, thanks again for the ideas
[04:53] <tux> cardador: thx
[04:53] <tux> is limewire in universe ?
[04:53] <Falstius> hypegt, it could be StartUp or startup or some such .. but Startup seems right.
[04:53] <zooko> Falstius: that's interesting.  How do they know you are running BT I wonder.
[04:54] <Falstius> zooko, they check the packets.
[04:55] <cardador> tux: i dont think so, go to its homepage and downloads it from there
[04:55] <Falstius> the same way I can run something like ethereal from my laptop and read the messenger conversation I'm having on the desktop.
[04:55] <zooko> And how they knew you ran ethereal is even more interesting.
[04:56] <zooko> Unless they happened to walk by and look at your screen.
[04:56] <theine> is anybody using the debian kernel (kernel-image-*) with ubuntu?
[04:56] <Falstius> yeah, I'm only guessing on that one.  But they sent a note saying "suspicious activity has been detected from your machine"
[04:56] <Falstius> and the only thing I'd done was play with ethereal that day.
[04:57] <Falstius> I work at CERN "Where the Web was Born" and it's got a pretty paranoid IT group.
[04:57] <theine> Falstius: Do they allow pings?
[04:58] <Falstius> yeah.  The funny one is, skype is also banned but it is in the windows software list for network installations.
[04:59] <Kamion> Simira: there are about a dozen of us here, yeah
[04:59] <Kamion> zooko: network interfaces in promiscuous mode can often be detected remotely
[05:00] <Falstius> Kamion, that's what I suspected.
[05:00] <Simira> Kamion: and things work out fine so far? Guess Tollef and Fabio will be in in abouttwo hours. I'm looking forward to joining you tomorrow.
[05:00] <Kamion> Simira: Fabio's on his way, I know, dunno about Tollef. Yeah, fine so far
[05:01] <leitao> Please, i installed ubuntu and my mouse isnt working. cat /dev/ttyS1 (my slackware was there) and nothing appears when i move my mouse.. I think i need to install some module. Any idea?
[05:01] <Simira> Kamion: They'd agreed to meet up at the airport, so they'll arrive together :)
[05:01] <zooko> Kamion: yes, but I'm mildly suprised that they actually do that.
[05:02] <Kamion> Simira: ah, ok
[05:03] <theine> leitao: what about cat /dev/input/mice ?
[05:03] <Falstius> leitao, what kind of mouse is it?
[05:04] <theine> Is anybody familar with this; ``device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed''
[05:04] <theine> I get this when I boot the debian kernel
[05:05] <leitao> theine : i'll see.
[05:06] <leitao> theine : nothing too.. :(
[05:06] <leitao> Falstius : old serial mouse. :)
[05:06] <theine> leitao: oh!
[05:06] <leitao> theine : i have never used 2.6 before. :(
[05:07] <Kamion> lil_anthony: modprobe sermouse, maybe?
[05:07] <Kamion> d'oh
[05:07] <Kamion> leitao: modprobe sermouse, maybe?
[05:07] <leitao> Kamion : i'll try
[05:09] <leitao> Kamion : the module got loaded. but my mouse still quiet.. :(
[05:09] <theine> leitao: what does dmesg say?
[05:09] <Falstius> leitao, wow ... you know, I cut the serial interface off of those things and rip them apart to use as serial bus terminators.
[05:09] <leitao> theine : nothing. ;(
[05:11] <leitao> Falstius : so what should i do?
[05:11] <theine> leitao: have you looked in /dev for other possible serial device names?
[05:11] <theine> maybe it's ttyS0...
[05:12] <theine> wait, ttyS1 exists, right?
[05:12] <theine> of course, it even exists in my /dev directory
[05:13] <leitao> theine : sure both S0 and S1 exists, but no signal.. I has running slackware 8.1 with no problem on mouse before..
[05:14] <theine> leitao: I was setting up a serial mouse on debian sarge, but unfortunately i forgot about how i did that
[05:16] <Falstius> leitao, I've seen some evidence that the ubuntu folk didn't put much effort into supporting antiques :)
[05:17] <Falstius> theine, ttyS* are standard devices.  They'll always exist.
[05:17] <Kamion> I think one of the problems is that none of us actually *have* serial mice
[05:17] <Kamion> (us == Canonical staff, sorry)
[05:17] <theine> Falstius: yeah, didn't know that
[05:17] <ogra> leitao: there is always the "weird" way, setting up gpm and configuring X to use the virtual gpm device
[05:18] <Simira> Kamion: buy one? serial mouse?
[05:19] <theine> Kamion: you should get a tape drive as well
[05:19] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: has ordinary PS/2 (non-USB) been tested, at least? :)
[05:19] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: PS/2 works fine
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> ok
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> granted, serial mouse has become a rarity.
[05:20] <Falstius> Q-FUNK: touchpads are generally seen as a PS/2 mouse.
[05:20] <leitao> Kamion : sure.. I work at Async and they work for canonica too. :)
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> indeed so.  at least, that's how it was on my old laptop.
[05:21] <Simira> Kamion: if you're serious, I could always bring one...
[05:22] <mjg59> Serial mice are (a) hard to detect, (b) don't fit into the Linux input model very well, (c) crap
[05:22] <leitao> ogra : gpm does not see my mouse. :(
[05:22] <leitao> mjg59 : sure.
[05:22] <mjg59> leitao: I'm afraid I don't have any serial ports now, so it's hard for me to test :(
[05:22] <Falstius> leitao, it is surprising that the serial port doesn't give you anything.  I think the problem is ubuntu and your serial port, not the mouse.
[05:26] <Kamion> Simira: not sure trying to plug it into a powerbook would be especially useful ...
[05:26] <leitao> Falstius : weird. ;(
[05:27] <ogra> leitao: you did run gpmconfig ? and the generic_serial module is loaded ?
[05:27] <Q-FUNK> and I'm not sure why would anyone insist on using hardware without a psaux or USB port as a desktop.  as a server, maybe, but not as desktop.
[05:28] <leitao> ogra: my system does have gpm. :(
[05:28] <ogra> Q-FUNK: because some ppl dont have the money for new desktop hw....
[05:28] <leitao> i'll install it.
[05:29] <Falstius> ogra, 4x usb2 expansion card for 5 dollars.
[05:29] <Q-FUNK> ogra: I have about a dozen of PII boxes, all of which were donated to me by people upgrading.  most have USB, a few only ps/2.
[05:29] <Falstius> ofcourse, it might not have PCI either
[05:29] <ogra> leitao: ok, then run gpmconfig....move your mouse until its detected....then you can configure X
[05:29] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:29] <leitao> ogra : sure. i'll try. thank you
[05:30] <ogra> Q-FUNK:me too, but there are ppl that still run ISA cards and serial mice on this globe ;)
[05:30] <leitao> ogra : what about mdetect?
[05:30] <Q-FUNK> isa network cards, yes, I have a few of those.  serial mice... I have one Logitec 9-pin serial left, just in case.
[05:31] <warty> limewire for linux R0X
[05:31] <warty> exit
[05:31] <wood1> Ok everybody Bye for today
[05:31] <wood1> see you tomorrow
[05:31] <ogra> leitao: dunno, thought that is used by X in the default config....if this didnt work i guess mdetect doesnt fit for you
[05:31] <wood1> all of you out there, cheers to Ubuntu
[05:31] <wood1> and a Thumbs Up
[05:31] <mjg59> In principle, various serial mice /can/ be autodetected - the problem is, doing so can interfere with legacy devices
[05:32] <leitao> Kamion : cool.. Send a huge to kiko (lauch pad staff, i think)
[05:33] <ogra> leitao: i ran a serial setup last week on a sparc station with a pci PC emulator card, there gpm was the only way ....
[05:33] <leitao> ogra : my apt-cache search gpm is not working by defaylt. i'll install it first. :(
[05:33] <leitao> ogra : sure
[05:37] <leitao> gpm is not on the ubuntu installation cd-rom. My apt-cache search gpm didnt show anything. :(
[05:38] <ogra> leitao: got no net access ? its a pretty small tool
[05:39] <liquidsnake> hi all
[05:39] <leitao> ogra : i ran apt-setup and put http as a source too, but no gpm. ;( i am not used to apt-* yet. :(
[05:39] <liquidsnake> anzone there?
[05:39] <ogra> leitao: use synaptic...its way easier
[05:40] <ogra> leitao: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:40] <liquidsnake> where to find drivers for epson stylus color 685
[05:40] <liquidsnake> for ubuntu of course
[05:40] <leitao> ogra : i'll see. thnx
[05:41] <leitao> ogra : i dont have mouse to use synaptic. :*
[05:41] <ogra> damned...
[05:42] <ogra> leitao: i am not used to it, but you could try aptitude
[05:42] <leitao> my source.list have only restricted entries.. is it okay?
[05:42] <liquidsnake> ive try driver 680 and doesnt work
[05:43] <ogra> leitao: like this ? deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[05:44] <ogra> leitao: just make it look like this ... deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[05:44] <leitao> ogra : sure
[05:45] <leitao> ogra: i will.
[05:47] <leitao> the apt-cache says: couldnt not stat http:./.... warty/universe.. :(
[05:48] <|trey|> leitao: whats the entire line from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:48] <ogra> leitao: first run: sudo apt-get update
[05:48] <leitao> |trey| : i dont have mouse to cut/paste.. :( i'll write here.. just a moment.
[05:48] <leitao> ogra : good ideia
[05:48] <ogra> :)
[05:48] <Ribs> Does ubuntu have mp3 support by default?
[05:49] <Q-FUNK> Ribs: gstreamer0.8-mad from the universe repository.  not installed by default.
[05:49] <leitao> ogra : it is updating.
[05:49] <Ribs> Q-FUNK: Thanks
[05:49] <Ribs> I'm downloading the .iso now, only another hour to go ;)
[05:49] <ogra> Ribs: not by default, but easy to add: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:49] <ogra> leitao: fine
[05:49] <Q-FUNK> ogra: why did it end up in restricted, again?
[05:50] <ogra> Q-FUNK: what exactly ?
[05:50] <Q-FUNK> mp3 support
[05:50] <Jelte> hi all... is there a package i should apt-get when i want to develop stuff?  Is there some equivalent to KDevelop for gnome?
[05:50] <|trey|> Q-FUNK: its not in restricted... thats supported non-free
[05:51] <Falstius> Jelte, anjuta is the closest I know off.
[05:51] <ogra> Q-FUNK: because its not free...you have to pay alot to fraunhofer if you provide a player on the cd
[05:51] <ogra> Q-FUNK: but its in the online repos :)
[05:51] <Jelte> Falstius, just apt-get anjuta? i've already got build-essential
[05:51] <Q-FUNK> ogra: why does debian manage to include it then?
[05:51] <|trey|> Jelte: some like Eclipse...
[05:51] <ogra> Q-FUNK: does it ? on the CD ?
[05:51] <Falstius> Jelte, yeah.  I haven't really played with it though.
[05:51] <Jelte> |trey|, hmmm i'm not a great fan of java ;-)
[05:52] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: Debian ship MP3 decoders because they ignore the patents issue unless there's active enforcement
[05:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Eclipse is more stable than anjuta
[05:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Anjuta was very buggy last time Ive used it
[05:52] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: ok, that explains it :)
[05:52] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, ah.. well thats a good reason not to take it ;-)
[05:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Anjuta had problems with breakpoints and stuff
[05:53] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, thats kinda crippling....  i'm thinking about writing a MP3 album cover organizer for gnome....
[05:53] <Jelte> since i can't find a decent one (or any for that matter)
[05:54] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: from an average user's perspective, it's somewhat annoying to install only to find that those 10 CDs full of mp3 songs cannot play back with the default install.
[05:54] <Falstius> hmm... eclipse looks interesting but it wants to install a lot of stuff for java which I don't use.
[05:55] <|trey|> Q-FUNK: there is nothing we can do about that though... the Ubuntu servers do have what they need, but Mark would be sued if we provided it as supported software...
[05:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Ive done something similar por Uni onde
[05:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> *once
[05:56] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, any good? ;-)  dont want to re-invent the wheel here
[05:56] <Q-FUNK> |trey|: is ubuntu a commercial distro or a VC-backed free software project, legally-speaking?
[05:56] <|trey|> Q-FUNK: Commercial distro...
[05:57] <Q-FUNK> right, commercial, but since it's freely distributed, no money to pay the license, so we don't get mp3 by default.
[05:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: I was very buggy, but I can give you some tips
[05:58] <Q-FUNK> the dragon is eating its own tail.
[05:58] <illustre> having problems partitioning  my drive during ubuntu installation when i get to the partition settings i say no http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=156&slide=7
[05:59] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, ta... might get back to you on that one... need to work out what coding for gnome is all about ... usually code for Symbian OS
[05:59] <illustre> but then i dont see an option to resize my last partition
[05:59] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: Yes. However, it's the law.
[05:59] <illustre> my last partition is 33GB i want to steal 10Gb to creATE 3 new partitions for ubuntu how would i go about that
[06:00] <rattboi> ok, quick question
[06:00] <rattboi> is there a standard for finding options to pass to ./configure scripts?
[06:00] <mjg59> rattboi: In scripts produced by autoconf, --help ought to list all options
[06:00] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: wouldn't it be more profitable and easier to call it a VC-backed free software project, so that we can include it like debian does?
[06:00] <mjg59> Otherwise no
[06:00] <leitao> I never entered my root password before  in ubuntu. i ever used with sudo. is this ubuntu phylosophy?
[06:01] <StevenR> rattboi: ./configure --help
[06:01] <rattboi> ok
[06:01] <rattboi> cool, didn't know that
[06:01] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: But that would be likely to be a lie
[06:01] <Falstius> what happened to the answer bot?  I can't remember its name.
[06:02] <palle1> how do i burn an audio cd? do i need a burn-prog for that?
[06:02] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: the licences required for mp3 are per-seat, not one-time; we're committed to giving Ubuntu away for free, so we cannot sustain per-seat licensing.
[06:02] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: would it?  i mean, everything in main is freely downloadable in source form.  sure feels like a free software gig to me.
[06:03] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: I don't think commercial is a good description of the distribution. It has commercial backing, sure.
[06:03] <eyal> hello all
[06:03] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: I thought that mp3 was a subset of the mpeg format?  wasn't mpeg a pd format?
[06:04] <eyal> i got a freeze during screensaver
[06:04] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: tell that to Fraunhofer's attack lawyers
[06:04] <illustre> i am lost can someone shed light if i can resize a partition during the installation?
[06:04] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: I don't know much about this myself; just passing on what we debated and decided in the Oxford conference in August.
[06:04] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: fair enough :)
[06:04] <Kamion> illustre: yes, although NTFS resizing wasn't supported in Warty
[06:04] <leitao> ogra : installing gpm! :)
[06:04] <palle1> so i have to go to windows if i wan't to burn audio cd's?
[06:05] <Kamion> illustre: edit the partition, move the cursor to the size field, press enter, change the size
[06:05] <illustre> kamion: this is a ext3  partition with 38gb i want to take 10gb for ubuntu how would i do it
[06:05] <Kamion> illustre: like I just said
[06:05] <illustre> kamion: i tried but how do i change the size
[06:05] <ogra> leitao: yay!
[06:06] <Kamion> illustre: if it doesn't work, make sure the filesystem was unmounted cleanly
[06:06] <illustre> kamion: i tried using arrows and lo luck
[06:06] <Kamion> illustre: not arrows, enter the number
[06:06] <illustre> this is during installation
[06:06] <cardador> palle1: install k3b
[06:06] <illustre> so the filesystem must be unmounted
[06:07] <Falstius> illustre, do you want to keep the data on the original partition?
[06:07] <illustre> yes
[06:07] <Falstius> does the installation do resizing or does it just format it?
[06:07] <leitao> ogra : gpm worked!!!! :))
[06:07] <Kamion> Falstius: it does resizing.
[06:07] <Falstius> cool.
[06:07] <ogra> leitao: great, now on to X
[06:07] <illustre> i dont see the resizing option
[06:08] <leitao> ogra : i need to reconfigure my X again. let me do it. :)
[06:08] <ogra> leitao: you already know how
[06:08] <ogra> ?
[06:08] <leitao> dpkg-reconfigure..
[06:08] <leitao> sure?
[06:08] <ogra> leitao: yep :)
[06:09] <rattboi> I'm figureing this compiling thing out
[06:10] <rattboi> I mean, for linux
[06:10] <rattboi> I knew how to compile before, since I'm a programmer
[06:10] <rattboi> just not the ./configure, make, make install kind
[06:11] <illustre> kamion: i insist i dont see option to resize can you post a screenshot where to do that
[06:11] <palle1> okay thnx cardador
[06:13] <Kamion> illustre: sorry but I'm not really in a position to do that at the moment.
[06:13] <Jelte> silly question time... how can i create a new menu pane under 'applications' ?  like "Development"?   I installed anjuta, but it doesn't show up in the menu
[06:14] <Falstius> right click and click "new launcher" or some such
[06:14] <Jelte> hate that ctrl-q key! ;-)
[06:15] <Kamion> illustre: move the cursor to a partition in the main manual partitioning screen, and look. Do you see a line where it lists the size of the partition?
[06:15] <kbrooks> i requested 20 free cds, but i now requested 1 cd
[06:15] <Kamion> illustre: er, "and look" -> "and press Enter"
[06:16] <kbrooks> will the team ship 21 cds?
[06:16] <kbrooks> i just want 1 cd
[06:16] <kbrooks> well?
[06:17] <Jelte> so how do i add a menupane to the menu of ubuntu ?
[06:17] <illustre> kamion: yes i see size and when i press enter it says something like writing partition but no size option
[06:17] <Kamion> kbrooks: mako has, er, disappeared somewhere ... will grab him once he comes back in
[06:18] <Kamion> illustre: ok, that's where it's supposed to be, so that means that parted does not understand that filesystem
[06:18] <illustre> kamion: i'll tell you right now exactly what it says stand by
[06:18] <Kamion> illustre: look on alt-f4, that will be more useful
[06:18] <Kamion> illustre: I don't need to know what it says in the user interface; that's stock error message text and I can find it in the source package if I'm interested
[06:19] <kbrooks> Kamion, if i ever leave this channel, when he comes here, ask him to e-mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:19] <kbrooks> ok?
[06:19] <rattboi> it's amazing how many -dev packages I've had to install so that I could install anything else
[06:19] <Kamion> kbrooks: he's just stepped out briefly as far as I know; but sure
[06:19] <netmonk> is there any way I can know that the cds are sent, does it say when I log on that the cds have been shiped or something like that?
[06:19] <Kamion> kbrooks: actually, why don't you e-mail him ...
[06:20] <kbrooks> Kamion, at what e-mail address?
[06:20] <StevenR> does ubuntu come with a good mail client?
[06:20] <Kamion> kbrooks: the Ubuntu Pressed CDs FAQ linked to from shipit has his address
[06:20] <Xenguy> StevenR: evolution is the default mail client AFAIK
[06:21] <kbrooks> Kamion, thanks :)
[06:21] <dr_willis> StevenR,  if it dosent its trivial to install other ones ya may like
[06:21] <StevenR> dr_willis: kmail?
[06:21] <eyal> any1 got open port explanations ?
[06:22] <dr_willis> StevenR,  ive switched to all Web-based mail :P i never use any of htem. I hear Evolution is very very good however
[06:22] <dr_willis> eyal,  explain how?
[06:22] <dr_willis> eyal,  thats a big area  and a vague question :P
[06:22] <illustre> kamion: i see 3 lines usage method   bootable flag and size
[06:22] <ogra> eyal: you want to open ports ? why ?
[06:23] <eyal> dr_willis , i need to open alcatel ports for xmule using with ubuntu
[06:23] <leitao> ogra : the default installation configure my X correctly, but i cant configure it manually. :(( Is there a way to automatically reconfigure it?
[06:23] <dr_willis> alcatel ?
[06:23] <eyal> ogra just wrote for the dr
[06:23] <borgmeister> anybody know of a good messenger program?
[06:23] <borgmeister> thats not amsn
[06:23] <dr_willis> borgmeister,  totally depends on your needs.
[06:23] <eyal> dr_willis yes its the modem name . i didn't have problem in win2000
[06:23] <borgmeister> to talk to less enlightened people using msn messenger
[06:23] <dr_willis> what network ya IMing to?
[06:24] <dr_willis> a modem port? Huh. now i am totally lost.
[06:24] <ogra> leitao: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[06:24] <leitao> ogra : plow?
[06:24] <kbrooks> borgmeister, pick a messenger program and use it; if you don't like that program go to the next program
[06:24] <borgmeister> kbrooks: any you can name?
[06:24] <ogra> leitao: and select the right mousedev then....the script uses the default values, so just hit enter on the other ones
[06:25] <kbrooks> borgmeister, GAIM
[06:25] <androxxl> hi .. I have one question ? What is testing name of Ubuntu ?
[06:25] <borgmeister> kbrooks: sweet
[06:25] <ogra> leitao: --priority low
[06:25] <jeffreyb> I am trying to install VMware 4.5.2- Need kernel-headers for ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386... Don't see a deb package for them... can I just grab from kernel.org?
[06:25] <eyal> dr_willis how do i make xmule work here ?
[06:25] <Falstius> anybody know of a linux program that can do audio and video with MSN?
[06:26] <Falstius> or even just runs on linux and windows
[06:26] <leitao> ogra : thank you. the problem is that i have ever change all the default value.. No problem, when i have a bit of time i'lll reconfigure it manually. :) Thank you for all
[06:26] <thoreauputic> jeffreyb: apt-cache search linux-headers
[06:26] <liquidsnake> where i can download driver for epson sylus color 685??
[06:26] <leitao> Kamion , theine : thank you for help with mouse!
[06:26] <leitao> bye
[06:26] <androxxl> can someone help me .. i will upgrade my stable ubunutu .. what names to write insead of warty ?
[06:26] <jeffreyb> thoreaputic: I did that.. didn't see for ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[06:26] <cardador> androxxl: hoary
[06:26] <borgmeister> kbrooks: cheers, very nice app
[06:26] <eyal> how do i make xmule work here ?
[06:26] <dr_willis> eyal,  no clue about opening 'ports' on a modem. to open 'network' ports to let programs in/out you can manually use the iptables command.
[06:26] <androxxl> aha tnx
[06:27] <jeffreyb> thoreaputic: Only 2.6.7 there
[06:27] <dr_willis> and see what rules iptables has set up. and remove any thtas blockong the ports ya need. or make rules to specificially allow the ports.
[06:27] <kbrooks> borgmeister, i use GAIM
[06:27] <eyal> ok dr_willis that is what i need.. iptables where how ???
[06:27] <borgmeister> kbrooks: feels very solid
[06:27] <dr_willis> iptables has some well done howtos. and the xmule page may have the exact stuff ya need to do.
[06:28] <ogra> eyal: foward port 4665 (or 4662 i'm not sure) at your router
[06:28] <borgmeister> kbrooks: got my mates up now, and is working sweet
[06:28] <eyal> the router is done
[06:28] <ogra> eyal: it should point to your desktop with the forwarding
[06:28] <eyal> ogra ?
[06:28] <ogra> eyal: then xmule will just work
[06:29] <eyal> how do i do this forwarding ?
[06:29] <ogra> eyal: forwarding means you have a source and a destionation set at your router
[06:29] <Falstius> firestarter is a pretty nice gui program for configuring iptables
[06:29] <Falstius> there are some others too
[06:29] <ogra> eyal: source is the internet in this case....dest is your desktop
[06:30] <ogra> eyal: said....you route requests form the internet to port 4662 (or so) directly to your desktop inhstead of using NAT
[06:31] <ogra> eyal: its in any case a setup at your router, not at your desktop
[06:32] <eyal> ogra : so what do i do? in the win2000 it worked(emule) there i opened the relevance ports
[06:32] <eyal> i sent commands to the router from win2000
[06:32] <ogra> eyal: you dont need to open any specific ports on your desktop...xmule does it if it runs....
[06:33] <eyal> but it doesn't connect to servers
[06:33] <ogra> eyal: i guess you have some kind of personal firewall on your win box ?
[06:33] <rob78> Please someone, i need help. I tried to enable scsi emulation support in the kernel but it said that it will be load as a module, does anyone know how to enable scsi emulation support ? grip rips at 0,5x now he he
[06:33] <ogra> eyal: the serverlist is ok ?
[06:34] <eyal> yes
[06:34] <eyal> no no
[06:34] <ogra> rob78: no scsi emu for linux 2.6
[06:34] <eyal> ogra : it doesn;t preview user number
[06:34] <rob78> ogra: okey ?!
[06:34] <rob78> ogra: thx
[06:35] <illustre> kamion: ok i see the resize option i change the size hit enter and i did not see the new size  it did not resiZe it
[06:36] <eyal> ogra : now it connected to razorback 2
[06:37] <ogra> eyal :)
[06:38] <eyal> but lowid ogra
[06:38] <Kamion> illustre: yeah, I understand that, that's why I'm asking for the log output on alt-f4
[06:38] <Kamion> illustre: or try 'parted <whatever device> check' at the shell on alt-f2
[06:43] <cenerentola> hello there...
[06:44] <ogra> cenerentola: welcome :)
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Did Ubuntu once have porn on it's wallpapers? :o
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> close enough
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> that wallpaper was disturbing
[06:45] <robster> i certainly wouldn't describe it as pornographic
[06:45] <robertj> it wasn't even close to disturbing
[06:45] <KeyserSoze> it was just... funky
[06:45] <eyal> Can i connect mIRC servers from here ?
[06:46] <Falstius> ?
[06:46] <KeyserSoze> what?
[06:46] <siretart> .oO( now i realize why ubuntu was called an XXX-Distro... argh.. )
[06:46] <crimsun> it was not pornographic
[06:46] <Falstius> I want to see the wallpaper :)
[06:46] <Simira> eyal: from where?
[06:46] <KeyserSoze> it was funky
[06:47] <siretart> Falstius: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[06:48] <Falstius> siretart, not running ubuntu at the moment.
[06:49] <cenerentola> ogra: what a pleasure..
[06:50] <ogra> cenerentola: yep.... and its sooo warm here....i scratched ice from my windshiled this morning....
[06:51] <crimsun> Falstius: there's a screenshot of it on the front page of the ubuntu web site
[06:51] <crimsun> or /usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/screenshot.png
[06:53] <gustavor> how do I change my keyboard layout? The gnome application is not working
[06:54] <liquidsnake> on console or X11?
[06:54] <Falstius> that???  That's all?  Gees.
[06:54] <eyal> simira : from ubuntu somehow from x-chat maybe ?? doonno ?
[06:54] <crimsun> Falstius: it's not supposed to be titillating
[06:54] <liquidsnake> gustavor,
[06:54] <Simira> eyal: of course... same way that you connected this server?`
[06:55] <gustavor> liquidsnake, both
[06:55] <liquidsnake> ok
[06:55] <Falstius> crimsun, no, but I don't understand how its even disturbing.
[06:55] <liquidsnake> wait
[06:55] <liquidsnake> im first time on ubuntu i prefer slackware
[06:55] <liquidsnake> i have to look
[06:55] <Simira> eyal: Xchat is very similar to mIRC
[06:55] <crimsun> Falstius: *shrug* Different things are disturbing to different people.
[06:55] <wezzer> slackware doens't have gnome in future
[06:56] <quamaretto> Question: Can ubuntu be installed from the LiveCD?
[06:56] <wezzer> *doesn't
[06:56] <eyal> Simira ill try and tell u in few mins
[06:56] <liquidsnake> better
[06:56] <Falstius> wezzer, actually it should be "won't"
[06:56] <liquidsnake> i don like gnome
[06:56] <liquidsnake> <--- uses preferentlz enlightenment
[06:56] <crimsun> liquidsnake: then use enlightenment
[06:56] <wezzer> Falstius: ok
[06:56] <crimsun> liquidsnake: nothing's tying you to gnome on ubuntu
[06:57] <crimsun> liquidsnake: it just happens to be the supported desktop
[06:57] <Falstius> sorry, italian coworkers and chinese fiancee ... overly used to correcting english :)
[06:57] <liquidsnake> zep
[06:57] <liquidsnake> ubuntu is nice so as it is
[06:57] <ogra> liquidsnake: is E still developed ? i thought it was dead
[06:57] <quamaretto> ogra, don't you read slashdot? You must not really be a geek
[06:57] <ogra> quamaretto: what for ?
[06:58] <crimsun> Falstius: there's no need to be pedantic unless it's in the context of debugging, thanks :)
[06:58] <ogra> quamaretto: no, i dont read /.
[06:58] <quamaretto> XD j/k, they just did a really early dev release of E17
[06:58] <liquidsnake> it could be
[06:58] <quamaretto> Which is a very major rewrite of everything
[06:58] <liquidsnake> but the last versions runs well
[06:58] <Falstius> crimsun:  I wouldn't have mentioned it if he hadn't corrected his spelling of doesn't in the first place ;)
[06:58] <crimsun> quamaretto: hardly a dev release
[06:58] <liquidsnake> mm
[06:58] <liquidsnake> the kezmap command on ubuntu is missing
[06:58] <crimsun> quamaretto: it was just checked into cvs :)
[06:59] <Nap> hi
[06:59] <quamaretto> OK, an ultra-early-not-even-safe-bleeding-edge-release.
[06:59] <quamaretto> Whatever.
[06:59] <Nap> does anymone use ndiswrapper here ?
[06:59] <quamaretto> Again I ask: Can ubuntu be installed from the LiveCD?
[07:00] <liquidsnake> <-- just installed ubuntu for work purposes on a pc at mothers home
[07:01] <liquidsnake> mm
[07:01] <liquidsnake> a lot of nice commands missing
[07:01] <Falstius> quamaretto: I think it can't but haven't tried.
[07:01] <quamaretto> Dang.
[07:01] <Falstius> liquidsnake, you can add them easily.  The distro was supposed to be light.
[07:01] <quamaretto> I'm a sucker for LiveCD's, is all.
[07:01] <ogra> Nap: seen this ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[07:02] <Falstius> quamaretto: yeah, I hear yah.  I've got about 10 lying around.
[07:02] <liquidsnake> Falstius, im going to laeve this distro as it is...
[07:02] <quamaretto> The GNUStep CD is pretty cool
[07:02] <crimsun> quamaretto: it's answered in the faq.
[07:02] <crimsun> quamaretto: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.8537444623
[07:02] <liquidsnake> i don wanna change nothing its still good so for ex win users
[07:02] <Falstius> and I've got an itch to get the new gentoo liveCD
[07:03] <Falstius> liquidsnake: yeah, I put it on my folks machine for that reason.  I'm still running gentoo.
[07:03] <Nap> ogra, yes, but when I modprobe ndiswrapper, I got a version mismatch error between the kernel module and the ndiswrapper-utils package
[07:03] <liquidsnake> jep
[07:03] <liquidsnake> <-- at home slackware & evil entitz
[07:03] <liquidsnake> <-- at home slackware & evil entity
[07:03] <ogra> Nap: used only ubuntu stuff ? or did you compile anything ?
[07:04] <Nap> ogra : pure binary ubuntu OS
[07:04] <liquidsnake> have ubuntu hp support for epson drivers_??
[07:04] <ogra> Nap: weird....
[07:04] <liquidsnake> onlz few driver on install
[07:04] <ogra> what ????? <liquidsnake> have ubuntu hp support for epson drivers_??
[07:04] <liquidsnake> i dont find drivers for the printer
[07:05] <ogra> hp support for epson ???
[07:05] <Nap> ogra : which version of the ndiswrapper-utils package do you have ? And as for the kernel ?
[07:05] <liquidsnake> the default driver for epson stylus color 680 doesnt work with 685
[07:05] <ogra> you mean epson support or hp support
[07:05] <liquidsnake> i mean
[07:06] <liquidsnake> i need a driver for epson stylus color 685
[07:06] <liquidsnake> on default installation is no driver for this printer
[07:06] <ogra> Nap: sorry, i dont use it, but the kernel module should fit to your kernel version.... compare the packages: linux-image and linx-restricted-modules on your system....
[07:06] <ogra> Nap: the version numbers should match
[07:06] <liquidsnake> (on slackware it is)
[07:06] <liquidsnake> where to get this driver?
[07:07] <Nap> ogra : the mismatch is between the kernel module and the userland utilities
[07:07] <ogra> liquidsnake: i have no such printer, the 15-20 printers i tried with ubuntu yet worked out of the box....
[07:07] <Nap> ogra: and ndiswrapper is not in linux-restricted-modules, it's in the main kernel package
[07:07] <ogra> Nap: thats only a script afaik.....shouldnt happen
[07:08] <Nap> hum.. it does :)
[07:08] <liquidsnake> i go to test some drivers...
[07:08] <Nap> when I modprobe ndiswrapper, it checks the version of the ndiswrapper utilities version
[07:09] <Nap> if the ndiswrapper-utils package is not installed, the kernel module is loaded
[07:09] <liquidsnake> EPSON StylusCOLOR800 v2015.802
[07:09] <Nap> if it is, the kernel module refuses to be loaded
[07:09] <DaNeon> hi ppl, what is the root password?
[07:09] <liquidsnake> the onlz drivers on ubuntu
[07:09] <CaseysZ28_> sudo passwd
[07:09] <CaseysZ28_> you can change it that way
[07:09] <DaNeon> sudo passwd newpassword?
[07:10] <DaNeon> or sudo newpassword?
[07:10] <Nap> DaNeon, sudo passwd then answers the questions :)
[07:10] <DaNeon> ok
[07:10] <DaNeon> thx
[07:10] <ogra> DaNeon: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:10] <CaseysZ28_> is cdrdao in the repositories?
[07:11] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: yep
[07:11] <Kamion> not in main though
[07:11] <DaNeon> how can i mount a read only ntfs?
[07:11] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: in universe
[07:11] <CaseysZ28_> i am trying to get k3b running and it is needing that and sudo apt-get install cdrdao doesn't get it
[07:11] <CaseysZ28_> k let me make sure i have it on
[07:12] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: seen that ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[07:13] <CaseysZ28_> nope
[07:13] <CaseysZ28_> thanks i will take a look at it and get back with ya
[07:13] <ogra> :)
[07:14] <liquidsnake> im going to install slack
[07:14] <liquidsnake> definitive preslack
[07:14] <liquidsnake> definitive prefers slack
[07:14] <DaNeon> what do i have to write on fstab to get read access on a ntfs partition?
[07:14] <liquidsnake> *sigh*
[07:14] <ogra> liquidsnake: you used the printer tool ?
[07:15] <CaseysZ28_> what is the apt-get command to unistall ?
[07:15] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: apt-get remove
[07:15] <liquidsnake> ppl cya
[07:15] <liquidsnake> but nice distro
[07:15] <cardador> CaseysZ28_: use computer > syst conf > synaptic to install, remove, etc
[07:15] <liquidsnake> but nothing for me
[07:15] <cardador> liquidsnake: why is that?
[07:16] <CaseysZ28_> cardador: command line is more fun :)
[07:16] <cardador> CaseysZ28_: its faster
[07:16] <liquidsnake> cause i prefer slack it has more options
[07:16] <ogra> liquidsnake: i see about 50 drivers for epson in my printtool
[07:16] <CaseysZ28_> i am just new to debian so i am having to learn some
[07:16] <cardador> liquidsnake: more options? if you use gnome on slack, itll be the same i guess
[07:16] <liquidsnake> i dont have gnome
[07:17] <liquidsnake> never installed it
[07:17] <liquidsnake> zou can chose what kind of pkgs zour would have on install
[07:17] <Falstius> there is a nice summary of the apt-* commands on the apt website.
[07:18] <liquidsnake> i have to staz min 2 hour on this linux to configure it on mz custom needings
[07:18] <cardador> liquidsnake: so install which you one you like, then remove gnome
[07:18] <liquidsnake> zep
[07:18] <liquidsnake> yep
[07:18] <liquidsnake> i know
[07:18] <liquidsnake> but
[07:19] <liquidsnake> cu later
[07:19] <liquidsnake> ok?
[07:19] <Falstius> I'm trying to figure out if liquidsnake was european using a US keyboard of American with a eurokeyboard.
[07:20] <cardador> verz strange :)
[07:20] <CaseysZ28_> cdrdao doesn't seem to be there
[07:20] <cardador> cya
[07:21] <MobyTurbo> CaseysZ28_, it's part of the cdrecord package I believe.
[07:21] <CaseysZ28_> i have enabled the universe
[07:21] <Falstius> oh man, nothing screws with your head like having to constantly remember which way y and z are ... I used to switch between my GFs suise-french kb and my US on .. gah.
[07:21] <farruinn> does the linux kernel support UDF filesystems?
[07:21] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, if you mean the CD file systems, yes.
[07:22] <arzajac> CaseysZ28_:  not cdrocord!  It is it's own package in universe...
[07:22] <farruinn> mm, I mean the filesystem you get when OS X formats something with "Unix filesystem"
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, that's UFS. Read-only partial support exists.
[07:23] <CaseysZ28_> ok how do i get it to show up if it is not there then?
[07:24] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, that partial support is reportedly buggy.
[07:25] <farruinn> MobyTurbo, do you know about HFS+ journalled?
[07:26] <CaseysZ28_> i have the error msg if anyone wants to see it i will msg it to you
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, other than the name I am unfamiliar with Mac filesystems.
[07:26] <farruinn> MobyTurbo, ok thanks for the info
[07:26] <Falstius> merde ... I just untared my backup over my new code.
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, I'm slightly more familiar with UFS, having used FreeBSD and NetBSD.
[07:27] <arzajac> Casey_: Warty? Hoary?
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> Warty
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> Hoary is a new version out or older version?
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> or 32 bit version?
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> CaseysZ28_, Hoary is the development branch, Warty is the stable branch.
[07:28] <arzajac> Filename: pool/universe/c/cdrdao/cdrdao_1.1.9-3_i386.deb
[07:28] <tvon|x31> Warty is the released version, Hoary is the next version (due out in 4 months-ish)
[07:28] <gen> hoary is the next release, unstable branch at the moment
[07:28] <CaseysZ28_> o ok
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> CaseysZ28_, gen's answer is the most accurate. :-)
[07:32] <diavolo> hello people, i've a probleme while trying to mount a windows fa32 partition: i use "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/win" ans the error message is "/dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/win busy"
[07:32] <diavolo> anu idea ?
[07:33] <mako> ogra: we can print a copy of the keys here if you can't get it before you leave
[07:33] <mako> ogra: i'm doing it here
[07:33] <Jelte> am i missing something?  why is rhythmbox saying there is no plugin installed to handle mp3 files?
[07:33] <mako> ogra: you don't need to verify your key or other peoples on the printed sheet.. only in the file
[07:33] <superted> i got this friend who continuesly get's the log-in problem caused by wrong permissions on .ICEauthority. any way to fix this forever?
[07:34] <gen> Jelte, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:34] <thoreauputic> diavolo: are you sure it isn't already mounted under /media/win or something similar? Have a look in /etc/fstab maybe
[07:34] <Jelte> gen, thanks!
[07:35] <thenuke> I cant kill badblocks process :O
[07:36] <thenuke> being a root and killall -9 badblocks nor kill -9 pid  does not do anything to it
[07:36] <_jute_> good evening
[07:36] <thenuke> Bug or a feature?
[07:36] <_jute_> is this a place for questions / troubleshooting?
[07:36] <diavolo> the fstab is ok, i dont have the problem with my old slackware nor with live-cds
[07:36] <CaseysZ28_> well i don't know what i am going to do now everything i have tried keeps failing
[07:36] <CaseysZ28_> i can't get cdrdao to appear nor install
[07:37] <thenuke> _jute_: yes you can ask questions, but it is of course suggested to read faq's and search the forums first
[07:37] <thoreauputic> superted: I would bet he's running kde apps with sudo : that would change .ICEauthority
[07:37] <MobyTurbo> either that or running X as root.
[07:38] <superted> thoreauputic: yeah. he has to use k3b every once in a while.
[07:38] <_jute_> i did that, and according to this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops ubuntu supports my hp compaq nx7010.  i'm trying the warty warthog live cd on that machine, but the wireless interface doesn't seem to be detected
[07:38] <superted> thoreauputic: should i just hook him up with a init script or something?
[07:38] <_jute_> also, there's no sound even after i unmute and set volumes etc..
[07:38] <thoreauputic> superted: once it's set up, he shouldn't need to use sudo with it
[07:39] <_jute_> so the real question is, are these things even supposed to work on the live cd, or are they for real installations? :)
[07:39] <superted> thoreauputic: something to do with finding the burner etc
[07:39] <_jute_> sound at least i'd expect ...
[07:39] <superted> ill look into it
[07:40] <thoreauputic> superted: the quick and dirty fix is to rm .ICEauthority and log out and in again, but that's a pain...
[07:40] <JDahl> _jute_, sometimes the sound card is locked by other processes (e.g gnome), so the sound in other apps wont work
[07:40] <superted> thoreauputic: how so
[07:40] <_jute_> ok, the old esd thingy :)
[07:40] <CaseysZ28_> does anyone have any suggestions to fix my problem?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> superted: it gets regenerated with the right permissions
[07:41] <JDahl> _jute_, I didnt have that problem in warty, but I have in Hoary - I just do a "fuser -k /dev/dsp" and everything is fine
[07:41] <thoreauputic> superted: but each time he runs k3b with sudo, the problem will reappear
[07:41] <superted> thoreauputic: ok
[07:43] <bluefrog_blue-10> hi. how can I add french to ubuntu please?
[07:44] <_jute_> I stopped (and killed) esd and tried JDahl's fix but there's still no sound.  also, the laptop quickbutton for muting doesn't seem to do anything
[07:46] <bluefrog_blue-10> in general how do we had a language?
[07:47] <JDahl> _jute_, do you have integrated volume buttons on your laptop? I was puzzled by a similar problem for a long time... turned out I just a to turn up volume using the onboard controls
[07:48] <_jute_> yup, i have those and i've turned 'em up (but i do suspect their functioning, because at least the mute led doesn't come up)
[07:55] <bluefrog_blue-10> is there a package for openldap or do I have to install from source?
[07:57] <pisuke> bluefrog_blue-10, apt-get install slapd
[07:59] <bluefrog_blue-10> ty
[08:00] <Brennos> hi all!
[08:00] <CaseysZ28_> hi
[08:00] <Brennos> is there support for the new ppc64 platform?
[08:01] <CaseysZ28_> good question
[08:02] <JStrike> So. Has anybody gotten MythTV to work with Ubuntu
[08:03] <CaseysZ28_> i am running KnoppMyth
[08:03] <JStrike> CaseysZ28_ : It really doesn't seem to work with Ubuntu :-(
[08:04] <farruinn> how does one access the advanced installation options?
[08:04] <farruinn> (for installing Ubuntu itself)
[08:04] <intinig> hello  all
[08:04] <intinig> does Rhythmbox allow to change mp3 id3 tags?
[08:05] <JStrike> intinig : No
[08:06] <intinig> JStrike, ouch how do I change them?
[08:07] <JStrike> Download a ID3 tag editor. Look in GnomeFiles
[08:07] <CaseysZ28_> JStrike: that sucks but knoppmyth is debian based
[08:07] <CaseysZ28_> is there a way to download 3rd party packages like you can with gentoo and install them?
[08:07] <JStrike> CaseysZ28_ : Yeah. Was hoping I wouldn't have to download KnopMyth. On dialup
[08:07] <arzajac> farrquin:  What do you mean advanced installation options?  Like the ones you specify at boot?
[08:07] <JStrike> Weirdly the error seems to be with MySQL
[08:08] <CaseysZ28_> o shit yeah that would be a problem
[08:08] <socomm> CaseysZ28_: Yes add third party repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <farruinn> arzajac: well I know that there is a menu that you can get to from the installer
[08:08] <farruinn> but I don't know how
[08:09] <arzajac> farrquin:  Press F1, F2, etc...
[08:09] <farruinn> ok, I'll look into it
[08:09] <socomm> CaseysZ28_: After you add a thir party repo to your sources.list is merely a case of issuing the right command to install the software via apt.
[08:09] <CaseysZ28_> what version of gnome does ubuntu ship with?
[08:09] <oak_> 2.8
[08:09] <socomm> 2.8.Something.
[08:09] <JStrike> CaseysZ28_:  2.8
[08:09] <socomm> 2.8.1, me thinks.
[08:09] <arzajac> 2.8
[08:10] <CaseysZ28_> cool i was just wondering
[08:10] <CaseysZ28_> i am still having problems with cdrdao
[08:11] <CaseysZ28_> i am trying to build it by hand but it is complaining about some 64 bit stuff that i don't have a clue about
[08:11] <JStrike> "mysql -u root < mc.sql" Doesn't seem to create any tables
[08:11] <arzajac> CaseyZ28_:  Maybe it does not compile on 64 bit architechture.  That would be why it is not in universe...
[08:13] <CaseysZ28_> good point.  does that mean that the gentoo version has been ported over?
[08:14] <arzajac> Dunno.
[08:14] <FunnyHat> Is there a way for me to use the ubuntu install disc to only install the grub or lilo boot loader?  I can't seem to do it through setup menu system w/o partitioning and reinstalling
[08:14] <CaseysZ28_> JStrike, try giving it the database name too
[08:14] <CaseysZ28_> and see if that works
[08:16] <JStrike> Although, I am not too sure whether that should be creating tables or just an empty database
[08:17] <arzajac> FunnyHat: setup menu system?
[08:17] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Well, the main setup menu that you get using the install CD has the step to choose to install GRUB or LILO, but it makes you partition first when you select that option.
[08:18] <FunnyHat> Is there a command to run in the console of ubuntu setup disk to setup grub or lilo?
[08:18] <JStrike> But MythTV setup complains about "Incorrect database name 'mythconverg ' " When that database does seem to exist (albeit without any tables)
[08:19] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Use expert mode.  Set up your disk and tell it to not format the partitions and use existing data.  Go to the end and install grub.
[08:20] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Ok, I'll try that.
[08:20] <FunnyHat> arzajac: How do i get into expert mode?
[08:20] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Do you need to install or reinstall grub/lilo?
[08:21] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Install.
[08:21] <FunnyHat> arzajac: I think I got it though.
[08:21] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  What Os do you have on the system now?
[08:21] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Windows and Linux.  (Windoze for just some games). When I installed windows though, it deleted LILO from the MBR (of course).
[08:22] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Cuz you can just chroot into your partition and install-grub /dev/hda (or whatever..)  Boot from the installer and chroot.
[08:23] <FunnyHat> arzajac: I'll try that if this doesn't work.... It seems to be re-copying the base system over (hopefully it'll just overwrite the files rather than make duplicates)
[08:24] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  OUCH!  You may screw up your system by writing over them.  In expert mode, you can just skip to the end...
[08:24] <djtansey> has anyone here used a palm t3 (or other newer palm) with ubuntu? i'm trying to see what is sync-able
[08:25] <FunnyHat> arzajac: But HOW do I get to expert mode?
[08:25] <FunnyHat> type expert when it says to hit enter to boot installer/
[08:26] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Type expert at the prompt.
[08:27] <FunnyHat> Ok, it brought me to a menu....  no option related to LILO grub
[08:27] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Scroll down to the end...
[08:27] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Nothing there that I see....
[08:27] <FunnyHat> I just went ahead and did load install modules...
[08:28] <FunnyHat> I think it's req. to move on.
[08:28] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Keep going to the partitionner.   Try google, usually works for me.
[08:31] <socomm> farruinn: xmms stopped like at wimap 2.something, beep keeps going though.
[08:31] <SepheeBear> isnt the extension is .m3u?
[08:34] <FunnyHat> This is freakin gay.
[08:38] <eyal> hi all
[08:38] <eyal> how do i make scsi emulation ???
[08:43] <hohaho> hi all,does anyone know if i can unmount & eject my cdrom when running the live disk? i want to write a cd, but cant open the drive
[08:44] <ozzie> hello i need some help. can somebody help me??
[08:44] <grelli> ozzie we'd have to know what's wrong first before we can tell you whether we can help
[08:45] <eyal> Hello, Scsi emulation howwww >>>??
[08:45] <ozzie> i need help playing mp3s on ubuntu
[08:46] <superted> ozzie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <wezzer> ozzie: apt-get install gstreamer-0.8-mad
[08:46] <hohaho> any ideas on unmounting the live cd, so i can free the drive?
[08:46] <thenuke> hmm. PS2 mouse lags so much that it is useless, but USB-mouse works OK :O ?
[08:46] <ozzie> type that in terminal
[08:47] <socomm> hohaho: You'll have to load the cd onto ram on boot, so you can umount it.
[08:47] <socomm> hohaho: Otherwise there's is noway of unmounting the disk.
[08:47] <wezzer> ozzie: actually apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:48] <wezzer> ozzie: do you have universe added to your repository?
[08:48] <hohaho> right, so select the load to ram option in the grub menu?
[08:48] <ozzie> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad???
[08:48] <socomm> hohaho: Something like that .... :^/
[08:48] <hohaho> socomm: any idea how long that takes? i tried it, but the progress bar on the bootsplash didnt move at all?
[08:48] <wezzer> ozzie: sorry
[08:48] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:48] <wezzer> that's the right command
[08:48] <ozzie> yes i have that added
[08:49] <wezzer> type that to your terminal
[08:49] <socomm> hohaho: Maybe 2~3 minutes, if your disk isn't corrupt.
[08:49] <hohaho> right, ok cool. i'll give it a go. thanks for the help
[08:49] <ozzie> ok its running now
[08:49] <ozzie> ok. i installed that. what do i do now?
[08:50] <socomm> hohaho: Thank me once you get it working :^)
[08:50] <wezzer> just play mp3 file
[08:50] <wezzer> with rhytmbox or whatever player you like
[08:51] <Gwildor> is there a shockwave plugin for firefox?
[08:51] <wezzer> is it working?
[08:51] <socomm> Gwildor: Read the topic, and follow the RestrictedFormats link.
[08:51] <ozzie> just a min. it showed up on the bottom of the screen. no error message poped up. hold on ill play it
[08:51] <ozzie> it worked
[08:51] <Gwildor> socomm, thnx
[08:52] <wezzer> :)
[08:52] <ozzie> thank you weezer
[08:52] <wezzer> you
[08:52] <wezzer> 're welcome
[08:52] <wezzer> :)
[08:52] <Gwildor> socomm, no shockwave on restrictedformats
[08:53] <socomm> Gwildor: Shockwave?
[08:53] <Gwildor> is there a shockwave plugin for firefox?
[08:53] <Gwildor> thats what i asked for
[08:53] <socomm> Gwildor: There's a flash plugin :^/.
[08:53] <Gwildor> tis macromedia
[08:54] <Gwildor> i need shockwave....not flash...i already have that
[08:54] <socomm> Gwildor: Visit macromedia, you can download anything you need there.
[08:54] <socomm> Gwildor: As far as I know there isn't a shockwave plugin.
[08:54] <ozzie> ok. i have another question. people tell me that windows programs will work on linux. how do i get them to work?
[08:54] <Gwildor> socomm, no shockwave at all for linux.....total bummer
[08:54] <ozzie> i know a guy who had winmx running on his linux machine. and i would like that
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: afaik shockwave isn't supported in Linux, but I'm not certain
[08:54] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, it isnt.........grrrr
[08:55] <wasabi> ozzie, you may have luck with Wine.
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: btw, did you play with rox?
[08:55] <socomm> Gwildor: Yeah, not our fault though.
[08:55] <wasabi> ozzie, but then again you may not.
[08:56] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, yeah, and i ended up not really liking it, xffm is fine for a filemanager, and the pinboard want what i really expected, but thank you
[08:56] <ozzie> anybody know how to get windows programs running on linux ?
[08:56] <Gwildor> ozzie, wine
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: OK :) Question of taste and needs, I guess
[08:57] <ozzie> and how do i get that?
[08:57] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, yeah, i just deciding that i really dont need the icons for the few folders i wanted pinboard for, so better without, but i think i may still play around with it, maybe i can manipulate to suite my needs?
[08:57] <Quest-Master> My friend ordered some Ubuntu CDs three weeks ago and still hasn't gotten them
[08:58] <Quest-Master> He's sort of disappointed
[08:58] <Gwildor> ozzie, synaptic
[08:58] <housetier> how much did he pay, Quest-Master ?
[08:58] <Gwildor> Quest-Master, it takes time
[08:58] <Quest-Master> lol
[08:58] <Quest-Master> That's what I'm trying to tell him
[08:58] <wezzer> they are free
[08:58] <Gwildor> Quest-Master, tell him to log into shipit to see if they shipped yet
[08:58] <grelli> I hate it when my free stuff takes forever to get to me
[08:58] <ozzie> i am sorry. i am a total noob to linux.
[08:59] <Gwildor> ozzie, sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install wine
[08:59] <ozzie> yeah. i sent for some and forgot abut them before i got them.
[09:00] <ozzie> thank you gwildor.
[09:01] <Gwildor> ozzie, np
[09:01] <ozzie> i am running that right now. i am downloading that correct?
[09:01] <intinig> what in the runlevel for multiuser, no X?
[09:02] <intinig> on other distros is't init 3
[09:02] <intinig> but on ubuntu it's not :D
[09:02] <Gwildor> ozzie, ive never used wine....so you may have to ask someone else how to use it, but i think it is just like "wine <filename>.exe"
[09:02] <wezzer> intinig: you have to delete whole gdm if you want to login without x running
[09:02] <Gwildor> ozzie, yeah, as long as you did it like i said
[09:02] <ozzie> yes i did
[09:02] <Gwildor> :)
[09:03] <intinig> wezzer, ouch :D
[09:03] <intinig> I'll keep it this way
[09:03] <wezzer> that's true
[09:03] <wezzer> and if you delete gdm, gksudo won't work
[09:03] <arzajac> ozzie:  winesetup.  The package is winesetuptk.
[09:03] <intinig> wezzer, I just wanted to give a test run to enlightenment
[09:03] <intinig> but I don't think it's worth breaking ubuntu
[09:03] <wezzer> yea
[09:04] <Gwildor> ozzie, should be like "wine <installer>.exe" to install, then "wine <launcher>.exe" to start it...if im wrong, ill get flamed
[09:04] <ozzie> ok. is there a special way to get windows programs to work ?
[09:04] <wezzer> that /etc/inittab runlevel -thing is from redhat or something
[09:04] <wezzer> it has no effect on ubuntu
[09:04] <tungsten> just installed not prompted for root password
[09:04] <wezzer> or something like that someone told to me when I had problem with gdm
[09:04] <tungsten> how can I become root?
[09:04] <wezzer> tungsten: use sudo unstead
[09:04] <arzajac> ozzie:  You need to set it up first.  winesetup.  Then wine frecell.exe
[09:04] <wezzer> tungsten: sudo <command>
[09:05] <tungsten> thanks
[09:05] <thoreauputic> tungsten: use sudo
[09:05] <Quest-Master> What codec do I need to install for Totem to view WMVs?
[09:05] <tungsten> I have a three nic box
[09:05] <wezzer> Quest-Master: i prefer mplayer
[09:05] <Quest-Master> MPlayer is really buggy on my computer
[09:05] <tungsten> what would you suggest I use for a nat firewall?
[09:05] <Quest-Master> It hardly works
[09:05] <wezzer> did you compile it by yourself?
[09:06] <gommans> hi
[09:06] <thoreauputic> tungsten: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[09:06] <gommans> question: How long does it take to receive the ubuntu cd's?
[09:06] <wezzer> Quest-Master: have you tried xine?
[09:06] <Quest-Master> Nope
[09:06] <wezzer> they say it's good player too
[09:06] <Quest-Master> I have totem-xine though
[09:06] <AndyR> hi everyone
[09:07] <wezzer> gommans: depends...
[09:07] <wezzer> they ship cd's large amount at a time
[09:07] <gommans> I'm dutcvh
[09:07] <gommans> *dutch
[09:07] <paulproteus> tungsten: I suggest the fiaif package, since that's what I've used and I have experience with it.
[09:07] <gommans> ok
[09:07] <wezzer> so it may take weeks or two
[09:07] <AndyR> is there any way to make nautilus re-use windows?
[09:08] <paulproteus> AndyR: The mode you're in now is called "Spatial Mode".
[09:08] <wezzer> you mean new folder won't popup in new window?
[09:08] <tungsten> sudo unable to lookup debian via hostname
[09:08] <arzajac> AndyR:  Muddle click
[09:08] <arzajac> AndyR:  Middle click
[09:08] <Ribs> woo
[09:08] <tungsten> I respoded as localhost
[09:08] <Ribs> <-- running ubuntu
[09:08] <AndyR> ok cheers, will try now
[09:08] <ozzie> ok. how to i setup wine
[09:08] <paulproteus> You can disable spatial mode in general, too, if you want to AndyR.
[09:08] <arzajac> ozzie:  You need to set it up first.  winesetup.  Then wine frecell.exe
[09:09] <K-otiK> is there a free IDS with a GUI that is compatable with ubuntu?
[09:09] <arzajac> ozzie:  winesetup.  The package is winesetuptk.
[09:09] <AndyR> paulproteus, is it in window behavior?
[09:09] <Ribs> How do I update stuff?
[09:09] <Ribs> Synaptic thinks there is nothing to update
[09:09] <ozzie> so what do i do ??????
[09:09] <Ribs> but, that can't be right, can it?
[09:10] <arzajac> ozzie:  Open a console and type winesetup
[09:10] <ozzie> command not found
[09:10] <wezzer> Ribs: do you have added universe to your repository?
[09:10] <Ribs> oh wait, just saw that repository thingy
[09:11] <arzajac> ozzie:  Unstall the package is winesetuptk.
[09:11] <Ribs> It was trying to get stuff from my CD
[09:11] <arzajac> ozzie:  Install the package is winesetuptk.
[09:11] <Ribs> Already I'm very impressed with this distro :)
[09:11] <ozzie> yeah i did
[09:12] <AndyR> im generally a mandrake user, but im converted now
[09:12] <wezzer> :)
[09:12] <wezzer> ubuntu is nice to use
[09:12] <ozzie> all the restopotiories are checked
[09:12] <Ribs> hrm
[09:12] <AndyR> ubuntu is runnig very nicely on this inspiron 3200 laptop
[09:13] <tungsten> visudo -f sudoers              permission denied?
[09:13] <Ribs> is XChat 2.0.8 the latest version for ubuntu?
[09:13] <Ribs> no 2.4.0?
[09:13] <mjg59> tungsten: sudo visudo
[09:13] <mjg59> ?
[09:13] <ozzie> so what do i type ?
[09:14] <AndyR> where do i disable spatial mode in general?
[09:14] <arzajac> ozzie:  Just a minute...
[09:14] <ozzie> ok
[09:15] <SepheeBear> AndyR: in nautilus preferences
[09:15] <Quest-Master> What the heck
[09:15] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to install liblame0 for mplayer
[09:15] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[09:15] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68850 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:15] <Quest-Master> Unpacking liblame0 (from .../liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[09:15] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[09:15] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmp3lame0
[09:15] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[09:15] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:15] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb
[09:15] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:16] <arzajac> ozzie:  /usr/bin/winesetup
[09:16] <AndyR> flood :)
[09:16] <Quest-Master> :P
[09:16] <tungsten> unable to look up debian via gethostbyname() when I issue a sudo command
[09:16] <ozzie> no such directory
[09:17] <arzajac> ozzie:  WTF?
[09:17] <Quest-Master> Anyone know why that's happening?
[09:17] <wezzer> whereis winesetup
[09:17] <RQ> hi
[09:18] <fargonSchool> wezzer look for winesetuptk
[09:18] <RQ> how do i get divx codecs for ubuntu?
[09:18] <ozzie> it says this in the terminal Setting up wine (0.0.20040615-1ubuntu1) ...
[09:18] <wezzer> RQ: by using mplayer
[09:18] <fargonSchool> RQ, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[09:18] <arzajac> Baby's crying...
[09:18] <RQ> thanks
[09:19] <ozzie> so how do i setup wine?
[09:19] <AndyR> i cant see any mention of spatial mode in nautilus prefrences
[09:19] <spity|study> AndyR: gconf
[09:19] <wezzer> I remember that there is good tutorial in wine's homepage
[09:20] <fargonSchool> Can anyone help me understand why, when I install wine and then try to install MSOffice 2003, it say "you need a newer version of windows" ? (how do i work around this?)
[09:20] <RQ> NNOOO!! is totem incapable of playing DivX or what????
[09:20] <twogood> fargonSchool: there are some switches to wine that specify what version it pretends to be
[09:21] <wezzer> RQ: totem isn't very good player after all, in my humble opinion
[09:21] <wezzer> use mplayer or xine instead
[09:21] <fargonSchool> twogood, but I seem to get only 95, 98 etc, how do I switch wine to xp?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> fargonSchool: expecting wine to handle Offfice 2003 is a bit ambitious - Crossover Office might do it
[09:22] <wezzer> fargonSchool: why don't you use openoffice?
[09:22] <fargonSchool> thoreauputic, any suggestions as to what version will work?
[09:22] <RQ> wezzer, i don't want any gtk1.2 here
[09:22] <wezzer> RQ, there is no GUI in mplayer
[09:22] <fargonSchool> wezzer, openoffice can't deal with some of the s*** my adviser sends me... like equations and crap
[09:23] <wezzer> fargonSchool: ah, okay, i see
[09:23] <thoreauputic> fargonSchool: I doubt that wine can do Office - I use OpenOffice.org, here
[09:23] <fargonSchool> mplayer does not NEED a gui, there is one, if you want ;)
[09:23] <wezzer> okay, that's better way to say it :)
[09:23] <tungsten> unable to look up debian via gethostbyname() when I issue a sudo command
[09:24] <fargonSchool> thoreauputic, argh! that was the final thing that I wanted, and I would have switched to the bright side :)
[09:24] <Ribs> Is there an easy way to set up sound cards?
[09:24] <MobyTurbo> fargonSchool, get crossover office then, it can run MS Office.
[09:24] <Ribs> ubuntu didn't seem to find mine :/
[09:24] <RQ> tungsten, edit /etc/hosts
[09:24] <twogood> fargonSchool: run winecfg
[09:24] <lupus_> oeh
[09:24] <thoreauputic> fargonSchool: look into Crossover Office - not free but it's desibned for this purpose
[09:24] <lupus_> goobox is nice :)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> *designed
[09:25] <twogood> fargonSchool: what versions can you select in the "Windows" dropdown list?
[09:25] <FunnyLookinHat> besides the base repositories for synaptic, should I add any others?
[09:25] <twogood> fargonSchool: my winecfg shows for example "Windows XP" and "Windows 2003" there
[09:25] <fargonSchool> thoreauputic, I will, thank you.
[09:25] <ozzie> where is wine located on the computer?
[09:25] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, you'll probably want universe and multiverse
[09:26] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, universe is already available for selection in synaptic or uncommenting in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <eyal> any1 know how to make scsi emulation
[09:26] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, multiverse is the same format as universe.
[09:27] <wezzer> eyal: why do you need it?
[09:27] <MobyTurbo> eyal, kernel 2.6.x doesn't use scsi emulation for CDs.
[09:27] <MobyTurbo> boy am I lagging
[09:28] <ozzie> what is that tk setup command i was sopposed to type? for wine
[09:28] <fargonSchool> ozzie winesetuptk
[09:28] <eyal> the xcdroaster doesnt recognize my ide cd-r device
[09:29] <ozzie> so i just type that. correct?
[09:29] <zooko> Farewell for now, People of Ubuntu.
[09:29] <tungsten> firestarter not found?
[09:29] <FunnyLookinHat> Thanks guys.  Also, if when ubuntu booted for the first time and I had the incorrect network settings so it couldn't download updates, what should I run to get them?  apt-get update isn't work.
[09:29] <tungsten> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[09:29] <MobyTurbo> eyal, use cdrecord at the command line or (possibly) use k3b
[09:29] <tungsten> firestarter not found
[09:29] <wezzer> k3b crashed my x
[09:31] <ozzie> ozzie@ozzie:~ $ sudo apt-get winesetuptk
[09:31] <ozzie> E: Invalid operation winesetuptk
[09:31] <FunnyLookinHat> If when ubuntu booted for the first time and I had the incorrect network settings so it couldn't download updates, what should I run to get them?  apt-get update isn't work.
[09:33] <ozzie> so what shall i do ?
[09:33] <fargonSchool> ozzie sudo apt-get install winesetuptk
[09:33] <fargonSchool> ozzie, then winesetuptk
[09:34] <fargonSchool> ozzie just type wine at the command prompt, and the config tool should pop up
[09:34] <fargonSchool> twogood, thanks for the info, I was a bit busy....
[09:34] <ozzie> ok its installing now. thanks
[09:34] <fargonSchool> twogood, i will check my winecfg...i think I got '95, '98 and plain ole windows when I tried, in the dropdown menu
[09:35] <tungsten> I'm getting a message that firestarter is not found in the package list?
[09:35] <ozzie> how do i make it emulate windows xp or is that impossible?
[09:35] <eyal> what is k3b
[09:35] <eyal> ?
[09:35] <Quest-Master> CD burning program eyal
[09:36] <Quest-Master> Someone really needs to port it to Gnome.
[09:36] <Quest-Master> :(
[09:36] <eyal> ok is it good ?
[09:36] <Quest-Master> Best.
[09:36] <wasabi> look for coaster
[09:36] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, I was in another desktop... Edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:36] <Quest-Master> k3b lis like the greatest though.
[09:36] <Quest-Master> *is
[09:36] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, or you can use synaptic to do it.
[09:36] <ozzie> or how to i make it emulate a higher windows. this is impossible?
[09:36] <Quest-Master> VMware, ozzie
[09:37] <Quest-Master> Or Wine for individual programs
[09:37] <ozzie> the highest i can get on wine is 98.
[09:37] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[09:37] <Quest-Master> You have to use VMware for anything higher
[09:38] <ozzie> where do i get that ?
[09:38] <wasabi> you pay 300$ for it
[09:38] <wasabi> www.vmware.com
[09:38] <Quest-Master> You have to buy it.. or warez, lol
[09:38] <wasabi> such a word should not be spoken here.
[09:38] <ozzie> oh. nm then
[09:39] <MobyTurbo> I think he was trying to spell vmwares
[09:39] <wasabi> yeah, that's it.
[09:40] <Quest-Master> lol
[09:40] <K-otiK> does anyone know of an IDS with a GUI?
[09:40] <Quest-Master> Do you mean an IDE?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> another TLA !
[09:40] <wasabi_> no, he probably means IDS.
[09:40] <wasabi_> intrusion detection system
[09:41] <Quest-Master> Ah
[09:41] <ozzie> thank you very much everybody
[09:42] <twogood> fargonSchool: then you have an old version of wine
[09:43] <fargonSchool> twogood, okay, I guess an upgrade is impending then, thanks a lot, mate.
[09:43] <TonyK> I can't seem to get the /etc/fstab file right to give my user account access to my Windows partition
[09:44] <TonyK> I have the  options set to user,exec,rw,auto
[09:44] <Quest-Master> Is it FAT32?
[09:44] <TonyK> Yes it is FAT32
[09:44] <Quest-Master> Ok
[09:44] <Quest-Master> Replace that line with this one
[09:45] <K-otiK> yea, IDS, anyone know of one with a GUI?
[09:45] <Quest-Master> /dev/hdax       /home/yourusrname/windows   vfat    user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000
[09:45] <Quest-Master> Of course, make sure there are zeros seperating your fstab lines
[09:45] <Quest-Master> Replace x with the partition your Windows is one
[09:46] <Quest-Master> And replace yourusrname with your user name
[09:46] <Quest-Master> And inside /home/yourusrname, make a directory named Windows
[09:46] <fargonSchool> TonyK, also -> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#windows
[09:46] <Quest-Master> Then, when you boot up the computer
[09:46] <Quest-Master> (or Ubuntu, namely)
[09:46] <Quest-Master> It'll mount the FAT32 to /home/usrname/windows
[09:46] <Quest-Master> And users will have access to it.
[09:47] <TonyK> OK I will give it a try
[09:47] <njan> ok.. an upgrade from warty to hoary died doing dpkg-configure on pcmcia-cs as I'm using a pcmcia wlan card - and now ubuntu won't boot, because dpkg has kindly removed my bzImage files and not given me new ones :)
[09:47] <tungsten> I want to look at the param file in shorewall it's inside /etc/shorewall I need root priv to open Is it not possibel to use root priv in ubuntu?
[09:47] <njan> any suggestions as to the quickest and most friendly way to fix it?
[09:48] <fargonSchool> tungsten, use sudo vi /etc/shorewall
[09:48] <njan> tungsten, sudo vim /etc/shorewall/XYZ or just sudo /bin/bash and do it that way
[09:48] <usual> if I have to install windows xp on a partition on the same disk that already has ubuntu installed, XP will overwrite the MBR, what should I do afterwords to restore grub and be back to a normal dual boot?
[09:48] <ozzie> sorry. anybody know how to install themes on firefox ? on ubuntu
[09:48] <fargonSchool> njan, are you a Malayali? if you don't mind me asking?
[09:49] <njan> usual, should work. you'll just have to make sure you install grub to the right place and give it the right parameters for the /boot partition
[09:49] <tungsten> I don't know the contents of the directory /etc/shorewall
[09:49] <njan> fargonSchool, nope. When I picked this name, I had no idea it meant love in malaysian :)
[09:49] <tungsten> how can I view it using sudo?
[09:49] <fargonSchool> njan, it means "ME" in Malayalam
[09:49] <usual> njan, no Iknow it works, but when XP takes over the boot record, how will I boot back in and run grub to install it again
[09:49] <njan> tungsten, then vim /etc/shorewall and you'll get a list of the files in it
[09:49] <njan> fargonSchool, me? I thought it meant love.. *erm*
[09:49] <tungsten> thanks
[09:49] <njan> fargonSchool, I've been labouring under false pretensions ;)
[09:49] <Hikaru79> Hehe
[09:49] <njan> usual, bootcde
[09:50] <njan> usual, bootcd
[09:50] <thoreauputic> ozzie: just look in tools, click on add themes or whatever
[09:50] <usual> ok, it will be rw?
[09:50] <fargonSchool> njan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam :) - my mother tongue...
[09:50] <thoreauputic> ozzie: in the browser
[09:50] <njan> fargonSchool, ah.. I'm an englishman living in Scotland :)
[09:50] <ozzie> i did. but there is no add theme button
[09:51] <jnk> Just switch to Hoary and x.org, and the fonts look "thicker"... why?