[00:29]  * phillw-virtual you it's kinda sad when your -virtual name hangs around through net splits and your primary cannot!
[04:54] <vibhav> good morning
[06:04] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <jibel> good morning
[07:51] <pitti> bonjour jibel, comment ça va ?
[07:51] <pitti> hey dholbach, guten Morgen
[07:52] <dholbach> hey pitti
[07:52] <jibel> guten Morgen pitti , ça va bien et toi ?
[07:53] <pitti> jibel: je vais bien aussi, merci
[07:53] <pitti> mais il neige à nouveau !
[07:55] <jibel> pitti, never ending winter :( we made a long walk on the beach yesterday but it was freezing, around 4°C and strong north wind. I don't remember end of March being so cold here.
[08:46] <dholbach> pitti, do you think for something like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703872 it would make sense to have a couple of primitive "import <module>" tests? :)
[08:47] <pitti> dholbach: we actually do something like this during upgrade tests
[08:47] <dholbach> when are the upgrade tests run?
[08:47] <pitti> i. e. install a bunch of python-* packages, dist-upgrade to new version, iterate through all installed py modules and try to import them
[08:48] <pitti> I'm not sayign that this necessarily catches all those, as AFAIK we don't install _all_ available python packages
[08:48] <pitti> just that we have the mechanics somewhere
[08:48] <pitti> but some simple autopkgtests would work well for those, too
[08:48] <pitti> import the modules, call some method/class in it, etc, similar to the compile/link/run tests
[08:49] <dholbach> exactly - maybe it'd make sense to add some to RequiredTests
[08:49] <dholbach> I don't know if the upgrade tests or the autopkgtests are more suitable
[08:50] <pitti> for this bug, definitively the autopkgtests
[08:53] <jibel> dholbach, i'm surprised auto-upgrade test didn't catch it. this module is from python standard library
[08:57] <jibel> dholbach, the test only imports modules from /usr/lib/PYTHONVER/dist-packages/ but doesn't verify that standard modules are still working
[08:58] <dholbach> in this case a simple import would have revealed the problem too :)
[09:07] <jibel> psivaa, the post-upgrade test test_python_import.py imports a limited set of python modules and important bugs evade our testing. I filed bug 1159671 . Could you look with plars_ if you can extend this test?
[19:01] <balloons> bdmurray, ping
[19:02] <balloons> chilicuil, Noskcaj, good morning
[19:03] <Noskcaj> morning balloons
[19:03] <chilicuil> good morning balloons
[19:12] <balloons> all ready for this testing week?
[19:21] <chilicuil> weee, yep =)
[19:37] <bdmurray> balloons: hey
[19:56] <letozaf_> balloons, Hey
[19:57] <chilicuil> balloons: about the bug #1159927 , you're refering to a manual testcase?, if nobody has already reach you, I'll like to assign it to me (if it's a manual testcase, I'm still reading docs about the automated testcases)
[20:17] <balloons> sorry..
[20:17] <balloons> umm chilicuil yes a manual testcase
[20:17] <balloons> letozaf_, hello :-)
[20:18] <letozaf_> balloons, I worked on the File-roller test but there is a part of it that I cannot get to work
[20:19] <letozaf_> balloons, If you think I can push it to launchpad so you can have a look at it when you got time
[20:21] <letozaf_> balloons, meanwhile I will try to write a test for totem :)
[20:22] <balloons> chilicuil, so you can create a test for the new client? it's in a ppa now, it's listed in the bug report
[20:22] <balloons> letozaf_, yes please do push it up :-)
[20:24] <letozaf_> balloons, done ! the part that does not work is where I have to select files to add to the archive, cannot change directory and select files :(
[20:25] <chilicuil> balloons: ok, then I'm working on it
[20:26] <balloons> letozaf_, ohh.. so the add button works for you now magically?
[20:26] <balloons> chilicuil, thank you!
[20:26] <letozaf_> balloons, :P had to install a new Raring :P
[20:26] <balloons> letozaf_, crazy
[20:27] <letozaf_> balloons, so the button now works but I got stuck just after, cannot find a way to change directory and select files :(
[20:28] <balloons> ahh.. k, well we might be able to make something happen :-)
[20:28] <letozaf_> balloons, I carried on with the test even if that part did not work
[20:28] <letozaf_> balloons, so it should be nearly finished
[20:31] <letozaf_> balloons, do you think I can reinstall Raring on my notebook I mean on the partition where the add button does not work in File-roller or do you need me to keep it , I mean maybe to find out what is wrong there, but I think it's quite difficult
[20:32] <balloons> letozaf_, no, not worried about it
[20:33] <balloons> it's weird, but they changed packagaing ALOT
[20:33] <balloons> my guess is something got funny for you as that was going on
[20:33] <letozaf_> balloons, yeah probably
[20:57] <letozaf_> balloons, I've got soemthing to ask about Smart Scopes, have you tried to test them ?
[20:58] <balloons> letozaf_, I'm running them right now.. I've been on the ppa
[20:58] <balloons> you notice something funny?
[20:58] <letozaf_> balloons, not sure  thats why I wanted to ask you
[20:58] <letozaf_> :D
[20:59] <letozaf_> balloons, for instance in the testcase: Test-case reference-dictionary
[20:59] <letozaf_> balloons, if I type "test" and then click on the "Reference" category
[21:00] <letozaf_> balloons, I do not get only definitions for test but also other things like
[21:00] <fetz> evening all
[21:02] <letozaf_> balloons, books on Amazon, is that ok ?
[21:02] <balloons> fetz, hello
[21:02] <balloons> letozaf_, yes.. that good actually :-)
[21:03] <balloons> the idea is that typing in something will pull from all those scopes.. and over time the results should get better.. meaning typing 'test' in and always clicking the definition should pull that one to the top
[21:04] <letozaf_> balloons, ah! I thought that maybe under the "Reference" category I should have found only  something from http://www.wordnik.com/ or wikipedia...
[21:07] <fetz> if no one has added anything to simple-scan testcase by wednesday ill add a bit more to it like rotation and other features etc.
[21:08] <balloons> fetz, excellent.. I'm really excited to see everyone jumping in on the manual tests
[21:10] <fetz> yeah hopefully can pull some bugs out of it... well for us thats good not the devs haha ;)
[21:20] <phillw> hi balloons, I've had a bad couple of bug days.... I cannot reproduce issues. ah, well, more things to test :)
[21:20] <balloons> phillw, ugh.. I know that feeling
[21:20] <balloons> phillw, did you want the lubuntu testcases placed in milestone?
[21:20] <phillw> still, it does push my testing stats up from zero :P
[21:21] <phillw> balloons: I've just replied by email. Let the L-QA guys check them out :)
[21:21] <balloons> kk
[21:23] <phillw> once they are approved by them, I'll ask that they be added to the 'test once' as they are default apps.
[21:24] <balloons> ahh perfect'
[22:00] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[22:11] <balloons> hey SergioMeneses
[22:11] <SergioMeneses> balloons, \o\
[22:12] <SergioMeneses> balloons, we have a lot of new bugs /o\
[22:13] <balloons> SergioMeneses, :-)
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> I'm still working on ubuntu-software-center :)
[22:17] <balloons> SergioMeneses, :-)
[22:25] <SergioMeneses> balloons, do you remember the name the name of the game that you showed me last week?
[22:25] <balloons> SergioMeneses, game? I don't remember talking about a game
[22:25] <balloons> lol.. but then again it was LAST week ;-)
[22:27] <SergioMeneses> balloons, the game that you buy ( $0 ) in the software center
[22:29] <balloons> ohh
[22:29] <balloons> it's all coming back
[22:29] <balloons> lord of ultima works
[22:29] <balloons> or command and conquer
[22:29] <SergioMeneses> command and conquer!!!
[22:30]  * phillw wishes we could find an intermediate ability python programmer to drive lubuntu-software-center back to life :'(
[22:30] <balloons> yea.. there the f2p ea games
[22:32] <SergioMeneses> phillw, :OOO
[22:33] <phillw> SergioMeneses that project is now 'stalled'. :( Not even sure if it will go onto 13.10 :/
[22:34] <balloons> phillw, what would be the difference persay?
[22:34] <balloons> toolkit is the same
[22:35] <balloons> I was a huge synaptic guy back in the day.. then I only used cli.. I'm still pretty much cli, but i do use and find USC useful now
[22:36] <phillw> balloons: it is a lower resource hungry version, it was going well and improving. Then RL took the 2 devs of it away and we simply do not have resources of devs to replace them.  I was close, it was not Poland but Latvia :)
[22:42] <balloons> phillw, link?
[22:43] <phillw> balloons: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Quantal I'm just beginning to translate it into moinmoin
[22:43] <balloons> interesting
[22:43] <balloons> well I'll ttyl..
[22:45] <phillw> It covers all the bases, and I really was impressed with it. Not all is needed by lubuntu, but the way they have it lain out is far less confusing than what most have.


[00:22] <tryagain> Is there a simple tutorial for using the popover element?
[00:41] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: ?
[00:41] <GuidoPallemans> you needed that oauth right?
[00:41] <GuidoPallemans> i think i got it, just need to implement
[00:41] <GuidoPallemans> shouldnt be hard
[00:49] <tryagain> All I need is a quick and dirty popup
[00:49] <tryagain> Nothing fancy.  Just text
[00:51] <GuidoPallemans> a popup or a dialog?
[00:51] <GuidoPallemans> normally there's a good example of both in the showcase
[00:51] <GuidoPallemans> tryagain: ?
[00:53] <GuidoPallemans> tryagain: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6015991/
[01:07] <tryagain> GuidoPallemans: the only examples I can find are just code snippets, with no indication of how to run them
[01:07] <GuidoPallemans> do you have the ubuntu showcase?
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> you can run it as an app if you have the sdk
[01:08] <tryagain> I don't think so
[01:08] <tryagain> Oh the sdk?
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> just press start + showcase
[01:08] <tryagain> How do I run it as an app then?
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> its also in the qycreator menu
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> its also in the qtcreator menu
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> ctrl shift s
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> or
[01:08] <tryagain> start + showcase doesn't bring anything up
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> tools
[01:08] <GuidoPallemans> try gallery in the dash
[01:09] <tryagain> Oh snap
[01:09] <GuidoPallemans> in qtcreator: ctrl shift s, or tools > ubuntu touch > ubuntu touch showcase gallery
[01:09] <GuidoPallemans> if you open it in qtcreater it opens the code too, but thats the same code as i posted
[01:10] <GuidoPallemans> tryagain: you didnt know about the gallery yet?
[01:11] <tryagain_> Oops, accidentally messed up the chat window somehow
[01:11] <tryagain_> Thank you GuidoPallemans
[01:11] <GuidoPallemans> np
[01:12] <tryagain_> It really seems like there should be something similar to the javascript "alert"
[01:14] <GuidoPallemans> there is
[01:14] <GuidoPallemans> dialog
[01:14] <GuidoPallemans> you will be blown away
[01:15] <GuidoPallemans> tryagain_: i heard you can also put other content in there than just buttons and text, but I havent tried it yet
[01:21] <tryagain_> I'll take a look, thank you so much!
[01:28] <tryagain_> Actually, GuidoPallemans, the design guidelines for the Dialog widget say that it should be used when the user needs to make a decision
[01:28] <tryagain_> I'm just trying to present information
[01:28] <tryagain_> Whoops
[02:07] <AskUbuntu> How do I use OAuth from an Ubuntu Touch app? | http://askubuntu.com/q/336069
[02:14] <tryagain_> What's the command in the SDK to upload my code up to launchpad?
[02:16] <tryagain_> Nevermind, found it.  It's "push", but I had to specify the remote url as "lp:<projectname>"
[03:47] <AskUbuntu> How to use Arguments in QML without getting qmlscene arguments | http://askubuntu.com/q/336083
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <dinkometalac> morning
[07:48] <dinkometalac> can someone check why ci for sudoku isn't working
[07:48] <dinkometalac> is jenkins still down?
[08:40] <crs_jamal> hi
[09:10] <mefrio> app news: Memories 0.1 released http://mefrio.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/memories-updates-first-pre-release-version/ let's test and report issues/suggestions :)
[09:22] <randomcpp> mefrio ping ping ping
[09:22] <mefrio> randomcpp, pong pong pong
[10:23] <clepto1995> iBelieve, hey, how are you?
[10:41] <kalikiana> hrm that's a curious bug. would anyone here have an idea what this is about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1db-qt/+bug/1215831
[10:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215831 in U1DB Qt/ QML "No documentation that only one element on first level is supported" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[10:42] <kalikiana> there's definitely no assumption about what documents look like by design - I'm wondering why one would think so
[11:05] <Josh015> Can anyone here make some recommendations on QML app code layout?
[11:05] <Josh015> Specifically, I have an app that has three tabs that each have the same toolbar and display options, but show different data. What is the best way to structure the code to share said functionality?
[11:13] <nik90_> Josh015: so by what you say, the UI is same with the only difference being the data that it displays?
[11:14] <nik90_> Josh015: in that case I would recommend putting that whole UI stuff inside its own component in a new file. When you create a new tab, in that you can call the common component and ask them to display the unique data respective to that tab.
[11:14] <nik90_> this way you define the UI code only once
[11:46] <xqwzts_> kalikiana: no idea what his "strange behavior" is, I have a lot more than 1 element at the first level [20-ish i think]
[11:50] <nik90_> randomcpp: just saw your link towards the new c++ plugin. Nice work! I havent tried running them yet, but I rather wait for it to merge into master first before doing so
[11:51] <nik90_> randomcpp: I guess now you can start on the online API to store images and other stuff in its directory
[12:44] <labsin> If I install a click package in 13.10 on the desktop, should it show up in the dash? Cause it doesn't for me.
[13:14] <dholbach> labsin, in unity7 there's no click apps scope
[13:15] <labsin> tnkx, then i'll add debian packaging.
[13:15] <labsin> can I exclude specific files and folders when building click packages from the command?
[13:21] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: ping
[13:21] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, pong
[13:21] <GuidoPallemans> hey
[13:21] <GuidoPallemans> i think i have got oath to work in an app
[13:22] <GuidoPallemans> ill put it in a pastebin, and then ill tell the issues i still have
[13:22] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, great!
[13:22] <GuidoPallemans> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6017705/
[13:22] <GuidoPallemans> so that is for a GitHub app I'm making
[13:23] <GuidoPallemans> there's still a lot of logging obviously
[13:23] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, cool! I think I found another way also, using a JavaScript library.
[13:23] <GuidoPallemans> but the main thing is that this page should be pushed to the pagestack, then you get to login on the server, which sends you back to the callback url
[13:24] <GuidoPallemans> aha where?
[13:24] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, I asked on AskUbuntu and nik90 posted it on Google+ - https://plus.google.com/u/0/113051860352311525753/posts/bQ3pvA4wMgC?cfem=1
[13:25] <GuidoPallemans> but he says it can be done with only xmlhttprequest?
[13:25] <GuidoPallemans> that's a bit weird
[13:26] <GuidoPallemans> the user should see what resources this application needs from the specific server, and then push a button
[13:26] <GuidoPallemans> then, the server sends the user to the callback url, with in a get statement the token
[13:27] <GuidoPallemans> I don't think there's a way of doing that in pure js, you need some html, as the user needs to see these resources
[13:29] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve the issue I still have is that I can't log out for some reason
[13:29] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, yeah, that is interesting. For now I guess I'll try your method.
[13:29] <GuidoPallemans>  i signed in once, and now I can't test the flow anymore :D
[13:29] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, what do you mean log out?
[13:30] <GuidoPallemans> or log in for that matter
[13:30] <GuidoPallemans> i push the page in my pagestack, and then the server directly redirects me
[13:30] <GuidoPallemans> but I keep getting new Oauth tokens, so I guess it's ok
[13:31] <GuidoPallemans> btw, notify me if you find any other problems with my method, so I can correct them too :D
[13:31] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, oh, I will
[13:31] <GuidoPallemans> thanks
[13:31] <Wizard> Hi
[13:32] <GuidoPallemans> hi
[13:33] <Wizard> When I'm developing Qt app with Ubuntu as target OS, are there any hints available how to integrate my app with Ubuntu tightly?
[13:40] <GuidoPallemans> a qml qt app?
[13:40] <GuidoPallemans> or just qt?
[13:48] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: that algorithm isn't complete yet
[13:48] <GuidoPallemans> i forgot one step
[13:48] <GuidoPallemans> (ping back pls)
[13:54] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: ping
[13:54] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, pong
[13:54] <GuidoPallemans> ah
[13:54] <GuidoPallemans> you read the above?
[13:54] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, now I did :)
[13:54] <GuidoPallemans> ah
[13:55] <GuidoPallemans> so the webpage.token isnt really the oauth token
[13:55] <GuidoPallemans> you still need to do one xmlhttprequest after that
[13:55] <GuidoPallemans> but i'm stuck there
[13:56] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, well, I'm still trying to figure out how OAuth works in the first place :)
[13:56] <GuidoPallemans> oh
[13:56] <GuidoPallemans> i watched a really nice video on that yesterday
[13:57] <GuidoPallemans> didnt know how it worked yesterday either
[13:57] <GuidoPallemans> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLHyeSuBspI
[13:57] <GuidoPallemans> its an hour long, but you should only watch until (and including) the client-side part
[13:58] <GuidoPallemans> about 17 mins
[13:58] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, thanks for the link
[13:58] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, so you said it isn't reallly the oauth token. Is it the code to get your oauth token and then you need to do a post?
[13:58] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, step 2 on the GitHub site?
[13:59] <GuidoPallemans> you need to post that code
[13:59] <GuidoPallemans> indeed
[13:59] <GuidoPallemans> now im trying to make my callback uri the code page
[13:59] <GuidoPallemans> i think its possible to do it all in one step
[14:00] <GuidoPallemans> if i replace that zen page by ttps://github.com/login/oauth/access_token
[14:00] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, Try this to do the post: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6017833/
[14:00] <GuidoPallemans> hmm
[14:01] <GuidoPallemans> but what should i put in the callback parameter?
[14:02] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, a function to call when the POST is completed
[14:02] <GuidoPallemans> the post should be the last thing to do
[14:02] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, for example post("<whatever>", function(response) {print(response)})
[14:03] <GuidoPallemans> ah yes now i see
[14:03] <GuidoPallemans> that function makes the post
[14:03] <GuidoPallemans> im gonna keep that open
[14:03] <GuidoPallemans> but im gonna try my all-in-one step first
[14:16] <abhidoeslinux> hi how can i use java in QT?
[14:16] <boiko> om26er: would you mind enabling autopilot on CI for lp:messaging-app?
[14:17] <om26er> boiko, sure
[14:17] <om26er> boiko, what about daily release? is the packaging already reviewed ?
[14:17] <boiko> om26er: nope, not yet, I have to review that
[14:20] <boiko> om26er: and again the autopilot failed for the calculator app, https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix_autopilot_tests/+merge/181596
[14:20] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: ?
[14:21] <GuidoPallemans> i get sent to https://api.github.com/zen?error=redirect_uri_mismatch
[14:21] <GuidoPallemans> when i try to connect to https://github.com/login/oauth/authorize?client_id=5b8705dc0775845bd721&scope=user,repo,notifications,gist&redirect_uri=%22https://github.com/login/oauth/access_token?client_secret=1b5826605af32b20414a1f6909090b239ac3c3fb&redirect_uri=https://api.github.com/zen%22
[14:21] <GuidoPallemans> probably because I'm not correctly passing the first redirect url
[14:21] <GuidoPallemans> uri*
[14:21] <GuidoPallemans> %22https://github.com/login/oauth/access_token?client_secret=1b5826605af32b20414a1f6909090b239ac3c3fb&redirect_uri=https://api.github.com/zen%22
[14:22] <om26er> boiko, right, a few hours ago when the mediumtests where failing I tried to run them on my laptop and they ran fine, so the problem is I believe in the jenkins setup
[14:22] <GuidoPallemans> ah, need urlencode
[14:23] <boiko> om26er: can you help with that or is this something only fginther can solve?
[14:24] <om26er> boiko, yeah, this is fginther's thing. I already pinged him
[14:24] <boiko> om26er: thanks!
[14:28] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, yes?
[14:28] <GuidoPallemans> ah no, i'm still having the last problem :D
[14:31] <popey> nik90_: you around for calculator meeting? We're over-running a bit with RSS reader
[14:34] <boiko> dpm: joining the calculator design meeting?
[14:37] <popey> boiko: I'll be there in a bit, still on rss call
[14:37] <dpm> boiko, I wasn't planning to today, but if popey can't make it, I can join
[14:38] <popey> be there in ~5m
[14:39] <boiko> popey: thanks
[14:40] <popey> nik90_: sorry, brain fart
[14:53] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: I found a way to test the logging-in, just revoke the app, so that the user has to accept the authorization again
[14:54] <GuidoPallemans> I'm now going to try your function, as I keep getting reffered to https://api.github.com/zen?error=redirect_uri_mismatch
[14:55] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, cool, glad you're figuring out how to do it. For now I'm skipping OAuth, and just using the form that opens and the user clicks accept and then has to copy a token back to my app. Not pretty, but a working temporary solution
[14:56] <GuidoPallemans> yeah, I should do that too :D, but beware the rate limits
[15:00] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, don't know if Trello has rate limits. They don't seem to have docs about restrictions/legal stuff at all
[15:28] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: I FUCKING HAVE IT!
[15:32] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, glad to here that you got it to work
[15:32] <iBelieve> ** hear
[15:33] <GuidoPallemans> ill paste it
[15:33] <GuidoPallemans> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6018190/
[15:34] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, thanks
[15:34] <GuidoPallemans> can you do something with that?
[15:36] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, don't know. The Trello docs mention three different URLs, a request, access, and authorize URL
[15:36] <GuidoPallemans> the zen url can be anything
[15:37] <GuidoPallemans> but youll probably need the seperate authorize and access_token pages
[15:50] <skyitachi> hello everyone, I want to know something ubuntu sdk qml extensions library
[15:52] <skyitachi> create a sample project with ubuntu sdk qml extensions library, when run it ,it will a dialog popsup, how to use it
[15:57] <AskUbuntu> I want to use Ubuntu for developing my application - pl help | http://askubuntu.com/q/336306
[15:59] <xqwzts> skyitachi: someone explained it pretty well in this blog post: http://rschroll.github.io/beru/2013/08/14/reading-files-with-a-c%2B%2B-plugin-in-qml.html
[16:04] <om26er> any ubuntu-calculator-app developer around ?
[18:09] <nik90_> Chocanto: ping
[18:11] <Chocanto> nik90: pong
[18:12] <nik90_> Chocanto: I almost finished my read c++ plugin
[18:12] <nik90_> Chocanto: how do I test it?
[18:12] <nik90_> Chocanto: I did qmake and make and now have .so file
[18:13] <nik90_> I copied that file into the clock-app folder
[18:13] <nik90_> but when I run it, it says unable to find plugin
[18:13] <Chocanto> nik90: You can do a sudo make install :)
[18:13] <nik90_> Chocanto: would that copy the .so file to the correct place?
[18:13] <nik90_> or any other files?
[18:13] <Chocanto> yes, the .so
[18:13] <Chocanto> and the qmldir
[18:14] <nik90_> do you know where it will copy it to?
[18:14] <Chocanto> in something like org/docviewer/file
[18:14] <nik90_> ah
[18:14] <nik90_> Chocanto: btw i replied to your MP
[18:14] <nik90_> and also proposed my own
[18:14] <nik90_> will test and see if it works
[18:14] <Chocanto> yes I saw :) I will test it ! Thank you
[18:15] <nik90_> Chocanto: its still very basic, but it is a start :)
[18:16] <Chocanto> nik90_: Every project need a simple start ! :)
[18:16] <nik90_> :)
[18:17] <Chocanto> nik90_: I read something about click package end reading files on g+
[18:17] <Chocanto> nik90_: DO you think the new permissions system will be a problem ?
[18:18] <nik90_> Chocanto: It depends. As long as it is in the same folder as the app, it should be fine
[18:18] <nik90_> Chocanto: outside files however will be restricted
[18:18] <nik90_> Chocanto: for the core apps it should not be an issue
[18:18] <nik90_> Chocanto: if it is, then we can get them resolved
[18:19] <nik90_> Chocanto: so I did sudo make install, and it copies them into the right directory.
[18:19] <nik90_> Chocanto: on running I get "module "org.docviewer.file" plugin "DocviewerFile" not found"
[18:19] <nik90_> Chocanto: i imported it using import org.docviewer.file 1.0
[18:20] <Chocanto> nik90_: Hum... you moved the .so before doing make install ?
[18:20] <nik90_> Chocanto: no, it moved it automatically
[18:21] <nik90_> Chocanto: in that org/docviewer/file folder, I see the .so and qmldir files
[18:22] <Chocanto> nik90_: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/docviewer/file
[18:22] <Chocanto> ?
[18:22] <nik90_> Chocanto: yes
[18:22] <Chocanto> nik90_: Wait, I'm checking how I used it
[18:24] <Chocanto> nik90_: How your .so is named ?
[18:25] <Chocanto> nik90_: And in which branch are you working ?
[18:25] <nik90_> Chocanto: it is called libfilePlugin.so
[18:25] <nik90_> Chocanto: the main branch lp:file-qml-plugin
[18:25] <Chocanto> nik90_: Only the one I proposed for merging work
[18:25] <nik90_> are there any other branches
[18:25] <nik90_> oh
[18:26] <Chocanto> nik90_: Yes, before modification it wasn't working
[18:27] <nik90_> Chocanto: will copy your modification to my branch
[18:28] <Chocanto> nik90_: Do a simple merge with your branch, it should work fine
[18:29] <Chocanto> nik90_: And I was thinking about the name problem
[18:30] <nik90_> Chocanto: why did you name it filePlugin in the qmldir?
[18:30] <Chocanto> nik90_: Maybe we can do something like a unique File object and in this object other objects like Metadata, Reader and Writer
[18:30] <nik90_> I thought your class was file
[18:30] <nik90_> or is that a convention
[18:30] <Chocanto> nik90_: The qmldir is looking for the .so name, not the class :)
[18:31] <Chocanto> nik90_: That's why you had the error that Qt could not find your module
[18:31] <nik90_> ah
[18:31] <nik90_> Chocanto: so it doesnt matter how many classes are there (metadata, filereader)
[18:31] <nik90_> it still is called filePlugin
[18:32] <Chocanto> nik90_: You have one plugin, but many objects created by this plugin
[18:32] <nik90_> Chocanto: ah yes. Nice I am beginning to get a hang of this :)
[18:32] <Chocanto> nik90_: I think you can created multiple modules in one plugin but I don't tried this
[18:32] <Chocanto> -d
[18:33] <Chocanto> create plugin with Qt is not easy ^^
[18:34] <nik90_> Chocanto: It works! And even better my read class also works :)
[18:34] <nik90_> Chocanto: thnx man!
[18:34] <Chocanto> nik90_: Good ! :D
[18:34] <Chocanto> nik90_: I did the edit you ask for
[18:34]  * nik90_ is checking now
[18:34] <Chocanto> nik90_: I didn't send it, wait ^^
[18:35] <nik90_> let me know when you push it
[18:35] <Chocanto> nik90_: But I don't changed the name
[18:35] <Chocanto> nik90_: I get it temporary, I think it will be better to do like the Ubuntu SDK so
[18:35] <Chocanto> *do
[18:35] <nik90_> How does the ubuntu sdk do it?
[18:36] <Chocanto> nik90_: A big object (File) and sub-object inside (Metadata, Reader, Writer)
[18:36] <Chocanto> In the file object you have the metadata object, is's more logic
[18:36] <nik90_> Chocanto: oh okay
[18:36] <nik90_> Chocanto: but right now we have 2 objects right?
[18:36] <Chocanto> nik90_: I don't really know how to implement it but.. anyway
[18:37] <Chocanto> nik90_: Yes :)
[18:37] <Chocanto> nik90_: We have File (I can rename in FileMetadata) and FileReader
[18:37] <nik90_> Chocanto: In that case, let's merge our stuff after all the corrections and whatever, and then figure out how to do that :)
[18:40] <Chocanto> nik90_: Yes, I pushed :)
[18:40] <Chocanto> nik90_: I have to go, I will merge your stuff later if you want
[18:40] <nik90_> me too..going for dinner
[18:40] <nik90_> talk 2 u later
[18:40] <nik90_> bye
[18:41] <Chocanto> nik90_: bye
[21:34] <wellsb> Is there no way for a drop shadow on a rectangle to inherit the corner radius of the source rectangle?
[21:39] <wellsb> nevermind.  I suspect it is, but my container is cutting it off


[05:04] <mborzecki> morning
[07:03] <pstolowski> hey
[07:28] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:43] <Eighth_Doctor> mborzecki: https://pagure.io/flock/issue/163
[08:45] <mborzecki> Eighth_Doctor: hey, thanks for submitting the talk
[09:03] <mborzecki> super simple https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6974
[09:31] <Chipaca> no mvo today?
[10:09] <mborzecki> Chipaca: he's off, and iirc pedronis too
[10:43] <zyga> good morning
[10:45] <zyga> mborzecki: reviewed
[10:45] <mborzecki> zyga: hey, how was the trip?
[10:45] <zyga> mborzecki: good, except that I arrived one day early
[10:45] <zyga> and had no place to say :)
[10:45] <mborzecki> haha
[10:46] <zyga> yeah, all sorted out :)
[10:47] <zyga> mborzecki: I sent some simple updates
[10:47] <zyga> I'd love to get those reviewed
[10:47] <zyga> I will try to get the  MS_SHARED bug fixed this week
[11:04]  * zyga breakfast
[12:07]  * Chipaca approves of all unscientific benchmarks
[12:22] <zyga> re
[12:22] <zyga> hey Chipaca
[12:26] <Chipaca> zyga: 'sup
[12:32] <zyga> Chipaca: all good, prepping for day one
[13:01] <mborzecki> cachio: standup?
[13:01] <Chipaca> cachio: poing
[13:01] <Chipaca> :)
[13:03] <zyga> standup at  9 :)
[13:03] <zyga> net
[13:18] <cachio> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y33RS4h2n5/
[13:19] <Chipaca> cachio: can you make tmp _not_ be tmpfs? is it worth it?
[13:25] <cachio> Chipaca, the image is created like this
[13:25] <cachio> by ubuntu-image
[13:25] <cachio> should I try the same with tmp non tmpfs?
[13:27] <Chipaca> cachio: it depends; do we care?
[13:27] <Chipaca> cachio: that is: do we need the tests to run with 1.5G?
[13:28] <cachio> Chipaca, well, when I started I used to create images with 1GB
[13:28] <cachio> then I had to go to 1.5
[13:28] <cachio> now 2GB
[13:28] <Chipaca> cachio: hmmm
[13:28] <Chipaca> cachio: you could try unmounting /tmp and seeing how it goes
[13:29] <cachio> perhaps is becase the tests are getting more exhaustive
[13:29] <cachio> Chipaca, sure
[13:29] <Chipaca> cachio: or you could run 'df -h /tmp' when things fail to see how full it is
[13:29] <cachio> Chipaca, sure
[14:29] <kyrofa> Hey cachio, you around? My gcloud creds don't seem to be working for spread anymore, is that something you guys did?
[14:30] <kyrofa> Cannot allocate google:ubuntu-16.04-64: cannot perform Google request: Get https://www.googleapis.com/compute/v1/projects/computeengine/zones: oauth2: cannot fetch token: 400 Bad Request
[14:30] <cachio> kyrofa, no
[14:30] <cachio> I don't manage creds
[14:30] <cachio> let me check if works for me
[14:32] <kyrofa> Thanks cachio
[14:32] <cachio> kyrofa, works well for me, please contact niemeyer, he will know
[14:36] <cachio> kyrofa, np
[14:53] <kyrofa> Huh, lost connection there for a sec. niemeyer, I seem to have lost the ability to access our spread workforce on google, can you help me with that?
[15:00] <cachio> Chipaca, https://trello.com/c/boGCGgOI/249-invesigate-2392-test-failure-in-beta-validation
[15:00] <cachio> I uploaded 2 scripts there
[15:00] <cachio> I am gonna test again with tmp non tmpfs now
[15:01] <Chipaca> cachio: ok
[15:02] <cachio> Chipaca, there is something weird
[15:03] <cachio> Chipaca, it is loosing memory on each iteration
[15:03] <Chipaca> i know the feeling
[15:03] <Chipaca> cachio: you mean df is showing less and less space available?
[15:03] <Chipaca> cachio: or what?
[15:03] <cachio> I am using free
[15:03] <cachio> and yes
[15:03] <cachio> show less and less
[15:04] <Chipaca> cachio: and what does df /tmp show?
[15:04] <cachio> untils the vm hangs
[15:04] <cachio> let me add this to the script
[15:06] <cachio> Chipaca, running
[15:06] <cachio> I'll show the output in a minutes
[15:06] <cachio> minute
[15:10] <cachio> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ztQjvZZ55S/
[15:11] <ogra> ppisati, hey ho ... would it be possible to also get an arm64 build of the pc-kernel snap (we're having a snapcraft community boardfaet this week and it would be cool to be able to use the official kernel so people dont need to maintain their own hacked up ones)
[15:11] <cachio> Chipaca, 100% free is /tmp
[15:11] <ogra> ppisati, (afaik things like pine64 and such should work with that kernel OORB)
[15:12] <ogra> *boardfest
[15:13] <cachio> Chipaca, this is happening with the beta imge
[15:13] <cachio> I'll try now with the stable image
[15:14] <Chipaca> cachio: maybe also log 'top -n1 -c -o %MEM' ?
[15:15] <Chipaca> cachio: or 'top n1 c o %MEM' if you want to confuse people (in top the - are optional)
[15:15] <Chipaca> (because why not)
[15:15] <cachio> hehe
[15:15] <cachio> sure
[15:16] <cachio> I ran a bit un stable and seems to be working much better but then autoreboot
[15:18] <Chipaca> yay :-/
[15:25] <ppisati> ogra: yep, i can make that happen
[15:26] <pstolowski> sergiusens: hey
[15:33] <sergiusens> pstolowski: hey, what's up?
[15:37] <pstolowski> sergiusens: we'll have a small feature request for snapcraft.. allowing type:snapd for snapd snap
[15:47] <ogra> ppisati, awesome !
[16:01] <Chipaca> pstolowski: meanwhile doesn't passthrough work?
[16:04] <pstolowski> Chipaca: maybe (i haven't tried). but proper support is where we want to be anyway, store is ready afaik, snapd will soon be ready too
[16:13]  * Chipaca ⇝ runch
[16:20] <pstolowski|afk> sergiusens: is this something you can add to your queue?
[16:27] <pstolowski|afk> i need to go, please leave me a message
[16:54] <cachio> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4mM5dM2GRF/
[16:54] <cachio> this is the output
[16:55] <cachio> Chipaca, it starts with 1.5GB of free mem
[16:55] <cachio> ends with 100 MB of free memory
[17:01] <Chipaca> cachio: something fun is going on, because that memory's just disappearing
[17:08] <cachio> Chipaca, yes
[17:20]  * Chipaca EODs
[17:20] <Chipaca> 👋
[17:46] <sergiusens> pstolowski: for the legacy or new codebase? Is `base: none` a thing already?
[18:14] <sergiusens> !query  roadmr
[18:14] <roadmr> hu?
[18:15] <roadmr> 🤔


[00:38] <valorie> @Gary I don't recall seeing anything
[00:38] <valorie> please repost
[00:38] <valorie> yes, this is for getting and giving user support
 I have a 16.04 LTS system.  It has been running without fail since before 16.04.  The only issues I truly have had have been with an NVIDA card. … I did normal updates and upon a reboot, I received a message saying that OpenGL2.0 is not able to be used.  I have OpenGL3.1 set. … KDE GUI does not show, … I have removed and purged all NVIDIA drivers and a GUI appears.  I have tried to install diferent verions of NVIDIA through the "D
[01:06] <IrcsomeBot1> settings.  None work. … I'm at a loss.
[01:16] <valorie> @Gary -- so neauvou isn't working for you?
[01:17] <valorie> if it is, what's the issue?
 I haven't tried neauvou.  I have an NVIDIA card that was working prior to updates.  I eliminated NVIDIA completely and then I have a KDE desktop.
[01:21] <valorie> yes, so now you are using neauvou
[01:21] <valorie> which is the open driver
[01:21] <valorie> the Nvidia card is still working, or you would see nothing
 Yes.. without the drivers, the same card is still working
[01:45] <Roey> hi
[01:45] <Roey> anyone here?
[01:45] <Roey> hey hey valorie!
 Valorie, I certainly don't write te code for NVIDA or KDE, but I'm certain, without a recent updat of an NVIDA driver, that there are other issues possibly in the KDE backport.
[01:55] <valorie> @gary, that's possible
[01:55] <valorie> there are so many chips and other parts of people's systems
[01:55] <valorie> that not all updates will work 100% correctly for everything
[01:56] <valorie> we always test before releasing backports or updates
[01:56] <valorie> as does the larger Ubuntu team
 So, I should wait until future updates?  It would seem that past hardware should ALWAYS be supported.  Am I incorrect?
 I have been a Linux user as an ISP since 1995.  I'm not new
[01:57] <valorie> @Gary, I'm not seeing the problem here. Your card is supported; your desktop is loading and works
[01:58] <valorie> not everyone uses the nvidia blobs
 Thank you, Valorie.  What do you reccomend?
[01:59] <valorie> I'm asking what the actual problem is
[01:59] <valorie> hey Roey, how are ya
[02:00] <Roey> facing a weird problem: I was upgrading my father's new computer from 16.04 -> 17.04 with do-release-upgrade, and it upgraded... but now it doesn't recognie the keyboard or mouse.
[02:00] <Roey> it upgraded to 16.10.
[02:00] <valorie> @gary, if you ask driver manager what you are running and it works, I don't see the problem
[02:00] <valorie> even after restarting?
 Valorie, I'm using now a laptop that was installed with the exact same versions at the same time.
[02:00] <valorie> strange
 This laptop has an NVIDIA card
[02:01] <valorie> yes, you said so
[02:01] <valorie> are you saying that your new laptop isn't working?
 I'm saying the laptop was loaded with Kubuntu 16.04 at the same time and has a newer NVIDA card.
 I certainly appreciate your help, Valorie.
[02:04] <valorie> @Gary, if you are interested
[02:04] <valorie> there is a PPA with newer drivers: https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-official-ppa-graphics/
[02:05] <valorie> I am using it on my new laptop and it's good
[02:05] <valorie> however I'm back to nouveau anyway
 I will try that on me server and let you know.
[02:05] <valorie> sorry for my horrible spelling of that by the say
[02:05] <valorie> follow the driver-manager recommendation
 You are typing quickly.... I'm just a bad speller
 Valorie, this is just a KDE GUI problem on a server.  It's not an immediate or urgent issue.
[02:07] <valorie> ok
 I thought it also to be a problem that had not been also reported
[02:08] <valorie> well, I'm no expert, and am still unclear on the nature of the problem
 I can always make it work.  Patience has always taught me that Linux problems will alway be repaired in time.
[02:09] <valorie> that is very true
 Please ask me specifically what may help clarify you unclarity
[02:54] <chcknrub> is it normal for plasmashell to use 500mb of memory?
[02:54] <chcknrub> i7-6700k
 As of one week ago, it worked well.  I could get the model# for you of the card, but I'm sure it has 500
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> chcknrub- around 125 MB here
[02:56] <chcknrub> u reboot everyday?
[02:57] <chcknrub> my startup is already 200mb
 twice per week
[02:57] <chcknrub> using kde neon
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> Uptime of about 14 days
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> What version of Kubuntu are you using?
 16.04
[02:57] <chcknrub> i tried kubuntu 16.04.. but no kde updates for months
[02:58] <chcknrub> so i switch to kde neon based on kubuntu 16.04
[02:58] <chcknrub> kde plasma version 5.9.5
 The server is up and running.  Works perfectly without NVIDA drivers
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> chcknrub- if you aren't using Kubuntu, then it's unlikely that anyone here will be able to help you
 I certay am using Kubuntu
[03:00] <chcknrub> how about everyone starts using kde neon instead
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> chcknrub- you're more likely to get help if you ask in a channel for your distribution
 I've been using Linux since 1995 as an ISP
[03:01] <chcknrub> downgrading kde version will fix it? unlikely
[03:01] <valorie> chcknrub: please stop
[03:01] <valorie> the KDE neon team are our friends
[03:02] <valorie> this channel is for and about kubuntu
 Seems like Dems v GOP
[03:02] <valorie> not at all
[03:02]  * valorie is on both teams
 We are all working together, right?
[03:03] <valorie> indeed
 Thank you, Valorie
[03:04] <chcknrub> what is the highest desktop uptime u have guys?
 I would appreciate your questions in order for me to provide you the information to assit me.
 Uptime is not the issue here.  It is simply a change of OpenGL working with NVIDIA
[03:07] <valorie> chcknrub: I've had some months uptime, but now I'm testing a lot, so... not long
[03:07] <valorie> days not weeks
[03:07] <valorie> IMO that's important for servers, not so much for desktop machines
 This server has been running Ubuntu/Kubuntu for about 3 years
 Uptime would only allow the time between reboots.  I reboot each time a linux firmware is installed.
[03:10] <Unit193> Kernel, perhaps?
 Possibly
 I've not tried to reboot with an older kernal
 Doing it now.....
 Makes no difference. … Could it be I use "backports"?
[03:16] <chcknrub> 5 - 10 yrs would be nice.... ^_^
 You have never restarted a server in 5 years?
[03:19] <chcknrub> my desktop is 24x7, i'm running this chat gui
 I run he KDE GUI BWO Kubuntu
 Your server must be better.  I personally didn't wish to be better than you.
[03:21] <chcknrub> i'm using kde 4.14.13.. uptime is 60 days until i update security patches...
 When I was an ISP, I had a Windows NT machine to run for 982 days befor a restart.
[03:23] <chcknrub> it is running on low power i7-4770T cpu (quad core)...
 Asre you trying to help me or you?
[03:26] <chcknrub> i used web browser sometimes so i need to update security patches, otherwise no need to restart.. i have to re-login to this chat again....
 I hope my warm ear to hear your accolades helps you.
 I'm still looking toward Valorie
[03:35] <valorie> still here, but working on other tasks too!
[03:35] <valorie> IMO you should use backports if you want newer versions of all your software
[03:35] <valorie> instead of just base system updates
[03:36] <valorie> I always run backports
[03:36] <valorie> but then, I don't run LTS
 That's what I'm using
[03:36] <valorie> I know, so I think you value stability over "new"
[03:37] <valorie> whereas I like new and shiny
[03:37] <valorie> I ran 17.04 pretty much as soon as the archive opened
 Valorie... I know stability of a server comes from the Linux operating system and it's core... not Kubuntu or else on top.
 The server is working perfectly
 This problem goes beyond me.  Few ever have.  You, nor I can intupret the interactions of all code delelopers.
 I'm certan that I could assist youin effort to help others.
[03:42] <valorie> cool! hang out here when you can then
[03:42] <valorie> there are lots of questions I can't answer when I'm here
 Thank you, Valorie.
[03:53] <valorie> we welcome anyone willing to help out, @Gary
 Valorie, when I started, I used BSDI, the commercial version of BSD
[03:55] <valorie> ah, I didn't know they ever had a commercial version
 They sure did and had wonderful tech support.
 I knew nothing of UNIX / Linux
[03:57] <valorie> it started pretty small, both the GNU part and the Linux kernel part both
 They would tell me to type in commands quickly
 How young are you, Valorie?
[03:58] <valorie> heh, not!
[03:58]  * valorie is a grandma
 Gary should be a grandpa too!!
 I don't mean to be personal
[04:00] <valorie> not a problem; I blog as "linuxgrandma"
 I used to write code on a Radio Shake Color Computer
[04:01] <viewer|9301> hi
 With errors
[04:01] <valorie> we should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:02] <valorie> Kubuntu-cafe in Telegram
 Please message me there
[04:02] <viewer|9301> is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please
 Hi 9301.  May I have a name I could call you?
[04:05] <valorie> @Gary, this is a help channel, so we need to keep off-topic chat out of here and in the proper channel
 Firefox is a very flexable application that has many functions beyond the casual user.
 10-4 Valorie
[04:06] <viewer|9301> hi im manish
[04:06] <valorie> viewer|9301: right-click on the titlebar
[04:06] <valorie> more actions > no border
[04:06] <viewer|9301> i tried that. but everytime i reopen firefox its still there :/
 Manish... Valorie will help you.
[04:12] <viewer|9301> :) my laptop has a small screen that is why :/ i can hide the titlebar on chromium. but its making my computer slow
[04:12] <valorie> well, it's possible that you have some permission problems in your home directory, which is where FF settings are kept
[04:13] <valorie> perhaps that's why your changes aren't "sticking
[04:13] <valorie> "
[04:13] <valorie> !permissions
[04:13] <valorie> basically you will "chown" your home
[04:14] <valorie> and reset any files which are owned by root, back to "you"
 But he simply asked "is there anyway to make the titlebar disappear in firefox? help please"
[04:16] <viewer|9301> im sorry m new to linux .i have no idea how to reset anything :(
[04:16] <valorie> which I answered
[04:17] <valorie> viewer|9301: click the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions and read about it
 You can't make the title bar go away as it is not a user option in Firefox
[04:18] <valorie> @Gary - kwin allows you to do that to all windows
 I know, Valorie.  I should not have interjected.
[04:20] <viewer|9301> thanks guys. ill just go and read then :)
[04:20] <valorie> no problem!
[04:20] <valorie> people have varying experiences and advice
[04:21] <valorie> as long as it's helpful, it's welcome
 We all have opinions.  God bless the USA!!
 I still find you great to be here.  Few are so dedicated
[05:07] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
 Great morning
 How may I help you?
[05:18] <lordievader[m]> Oh, I do not need help. I'm usually on the other side of the fence ;)
 That's great.  Hope the barbed wire doesn't hut as you jump the fence
 If you need help, someone is always her
[09:42] <yocs0000> I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue?
[10:25] <yocs0000> I am trying o find a good widget to put notes on the desktop, the existing default widget is too simplistic and does not allow formatting. Any clue?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:45] <Roey> heyo BluesKaj
[10:45] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[12:21] <student> test
[12:22] <BluesKaj> student,  100% :-)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> !it
[13:47] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: heya, so I had Ubunntu 16.04.2 LTS on this Intel NUC 6i7KYK system; I upgraded to 16.10, but now when it boots, it no longer recognizes keyboard or mouse input! :(  Furthermore, I tried entering the GRUB boot menu by holding down Shift, but it did not work.   Tried the other Shift.  Same thing.  Tried both Shifts.  Same thing.
[13:48] <hateball> EvilRoey: can you enter BIOS?
[13:48] <EvilRoey> yes I can
[13:48] <EvilRoey> it's where I am now
[13:49] <EvilRoey> (obviously I am chatting to you from my workstation, which is unaffected)
[13:49] <hateball> EvilRoey: did it have an ssh server installed before the 16.10 upgrade?
[13:49] <hateball> so you can access it while running, at all
[13:50] <EvilRoey> it did not
[13:50] <EvilRoey> hateball: ^
[13:50] <EvilRoey> btw again, god, I love your nickname
[13:50] <hateball> Hmmm
[13:51] <hateball> Gonna be pretty hard then, you'll need to liveboot and possibly edit kernel options, question is what
[13:51] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:51] <EvilRoey> so there is one place I saw something:
[13:51] <EvilRoey> https://askubuntu.com/questions/842839/keyboard-and-mouse-only-work-in-recovery-mode-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[13:51] <EvilRoey> they advised issuing "sudo aptitude purge irqbalance"
[13:52] <hateball> EvilRoey: yeah well, if you cant access grub you cant enter recovery menu
[13:52] <EvilRoey> right
[13:52] <EvilRoey> well I ccan force the grub menu to appear
[13:52] <EvilRoey> that's one thing.
[13:53] <hateball> I'd personally do that, and go to a recovery console and do-release-upgrade to 17.04 since 16.10 is EOL in a bit anyhow
[13:53] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  I think hateball has a good point, don't muck about with 16.10
[13:54] <EvilRoey> oh
[13:54] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: shoudl I try installing 17.04 then?
[13:54] <hateball> EvilRoey: otherwise you can of course try those suggestions, or livebooting and chrooting... but 16.10 is still EOL soon
[13:54] <EvilRoey> ahhh I see.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  yes install 17.04
[13:54] <EvilRoey> so perhaps I shoudl have stuck with 14.whatever
[13:54] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: k
[13:55] <BluesKaj> is this nuc a an intel ?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> ok it is , just reread your post , yes 17.04 is kinder to intel graphics, as i can atestby my laptop
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Roey, ^
[13:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: yes it is
[13:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  :)
[13:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: as in, yes, it's an intel nuc
[13:59] <BluesKaj> so you have intel graphics, which my laptop uses, and 17.04 runs very nicely on it.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> think your nuc will probly run 17.04 better than16.10
[14:12] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: yeay!
[14:12] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: i hope,l at least!
[14:12] <EvilRoey> \what to do if the personwhove gave me the nuc had installed to one file system instead of to / and /home?
[14:13] <EvilRoey> they've installed Windows as a VirtualBox guest, and I want to keep that
[14:14] <hateball> EvilRoey: you dont need to reinstall anything
[14:14] <hateball> just do-release-upgrade from a root console (with network)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hateball,  he can't get to a vt/tty
[14:15] <BluesKaj> no mouse no KB
[14:15] <hateball> BluesKaj: right, but there's still ways to force it
[14:15] <hateball> assuming the mouse/kb works at all with that kernel that is
[14:15] <EvilRoey> hateball: ok
[14:15] <EvilRoey> oh yeah but i need to chroot
[14:15] <hateball> then you can liveboot, edit the grub.cfg to boot single mode by default
[14:15] <EvilRoey> right?
[14:15] <hateball> nope, you cant do-release-upgrade with chroot
[14:15] <EvilRoey> how do I boot to single-mode by default again?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> think windows VM loses..Roey a clean install is your only option if you can't drop to a shell
[14:16] <EvilRoey> hateball: ok.  So what are the steps you propose for installing 17.04, aside from re-installing it from the CD
[14:16] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: ok, that's what I figured
[14:18] <hateball> EvilRoey: liveboot your system with something, then mount your partition with /boot on it
[14:18] <hateball> EvilRoey: then you manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:18] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:19] <EvilRoey> hateball: let's say I can boot to the command line (no X), what then?
[14:19] <hateball> EvilRoey: then you can "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:19] <hateball> which will put you on 17.04 with new kernel etc
[14:19] <hateball> EvilRoey: anyhow, edit grub.cfg and append "single" to your bootline
[14:20] <hateball> by default you will have a line with linux that ends with "quiet splash"
[14:21] <BluesKaj> if he can boot to a vt/tty
[14:21] <hateball> like "linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-77-generic blahblah quiet splash"
[14:22] <EvilRoey> aye
[14:22] <EvilRoey> ok;
[14:22] <hateball> so just add single at the end there
[14:22] <EvilRoey> by the way, I am trying to make an install USB stick... how do I get the .iso onto it?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> what about nomodeset ?
[14:22] <hateball> EvilRoey: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX
[14:23] <hateball> BluesKaj: the issue isnt graphics, he has no mouse/keyboard
[14:23] <BluesKaj> that's X server
[14:24] <hateball> it dies soon as grub loads, as I understand it. which is why he cant enter it manually
[14:24] <hateball> hence the need to liveboot and edit configs
[14:24] <hateball> but I must leave now, so good luck \o
[14:27] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  try nomodeset in plaqce of quiet splash if you can get to /etc/default/grub with nano in the shell , if that doesn't work try it his way
[14:30] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:30] <EvilRoey> I am re-trying..
[14:30] <EvilRoey> I'm burning the image then rebooting into it on the nuc system
[14:31] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  if you get to a shell, make sure you run sudo update-grub after editing in nano
[14:33] <BluesKaj> after saving and exiting nano rather
[14:34] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:34] <BluesKaj> have you used nano inthe cli before?
[14:34] <EvilRoey> I have not
[14:34] <EvilRoey> I typically use jed instead
[14:34] <EvilRoey> I find emacs keybindings very comfortable
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ok , when you're finished editing do ctl+o, enter, then ctl+x
[14:36] <N0Lif3> is it just me or is Kubuntu 17.04 a lot slower than 16.10 was?
[14:37] <N0Lif3> it's super unresponsive on my chromebook
[15:03] <jonlandrum_> hi all
[15:14] <N0Lif3> is there a way to downgrade back to 16.10?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3,  tell us your issue
[15:16] <N0Lif3> my laptop is super slow and unresponsive now
[15:16] <N0Lif3> ever since I upgraded to 17.04
[15:21] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3,  turn off serch in system settins for starters, then check system setttings>startup&shutdown>background services, stop and uncheck the services you think are not needed. remove unattenended-upgrades and and run updatesnad upgrades yourself in the konsole daily
[15:22] <N0Lif3> disable file search and each of the Plasma Search options?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> that's up to you
[18:24] <enkeyz_> hello guys: I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu some time ago, and I have a problem with Wireshark: http://oi64.tinypic.com/2r44o6w.jpg
[18:25] <enkeyz_> trouble is the selected packet/text is white
[18:25] <enkeyz_> I tried to change font settings in Wireshark, but it didn't help
[18:38] <enkeyz_> can somebody help?
[18:38] <sithlord48> @enkeyz_ have you looked in system settings ?
[18:39] <enkeyz_> yep
[18:39] <sithlord48> colors for a new color theme or perhaps application apperance for gtk settings
[18:39] <enkeyz_> tried to switch color scheme, but didn't help
[18:39] <sithlord48> wireshark is now qt iirc so maybe just he first one
[18:39] <sithlord48> i second
[18:40] <enkeyz_> sorry, what?
[18:40] <sithlord48> 1 second .. starting up wireshark
[18:40] <enkeyz_> thanks for the help
[18:40] <sithlord48> your most welcome
[18:40] <enkeyz_> I installed Arc-KDE theme using Kvantum
[18:41] <enkeyz_> that's the only thing I changed since install
[18:41] <sithlord48> did u try this with breeze color theme?
[18:41] <enkeyz_> sec
[18:41] <sithlord48> its possible your color scheme has bad selection color and/or wireshark hardcodes its highlinght
[18:42] <sithlord48> *highlight*
[18:42] <enkeyz_> it's working with breeze
[18:42] <sithlord48> then its yoru theme
[18:42] <sithlord48> try breeze dark if you perfer a darker theme
[18:43] <enkeyz_> what can I do now? I'd like to use Arc theme
[18:43] <sithlord48> let me see if i can find tha ttheme
[18:43] <sithlord48> where did u get it from Get newstuff?
[18:44] <enkeyz_> nop
[18:44] <enkeyz_> https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/arc-kde
[18:45] <sithlord48> report the issue to them ?
[18:45] <enkeyz_> I will
[18:46] <sithlord48> you can use the arc look and feel with a different color theme and see if tha thelps
[18:46] <sithlord48> try breeze dark its similar to arc's colors
[18:48] <enkeyz_> changing color scheme not working
[18:48] <enkeyz_> only if I change theme
[18:48] <sithlord48> then its just their color scheme you can try to custmize it in systemsettings ->colors
[18:53] <enkeyz_> not works
[19:20] <sithlord48> :(
[19:20] <somekool> hey there.
[19:20] <somekool> anyone got baloo to index emails and files?
[19:20] <somekool> and attachments, I mean
[20:31] <grim_> hi hat jmd eine idee warum meine usb tastatur im login nicht funktioniert?
[20:32] <grim_> ist ne corsair mit schnickschnack
[20:32] <grim_> vor allem aber nem 2. usb anschluss für usb device path through
[20:33] <grim_> jedes mal wenn ich mich einloggen will muss ich meine alte tastatur anschließen
[20:33] <grim_> da ubuntu keine eingaben von der neuen aktzeptiert
[20:33] <grim_> jmd ne idee?
[20:33] <grim_> oh i see
[20:33] <grim_> sry
[20:34] <grim_> thought i would be in the german channel
[20:34] <grim_> does any1 know the german kubuntu channel?
[20:34] <valorie> !de | grim_
[20:34] <grim_> ty
[20:34] <valorie> bitte
[20:36] <grim_> not many people there, im going to try it here
[20:36] <grim_> i got a problem with my new keybord
[20:37] <grim_> at the loginscreen kubuntu doesnt accept any keystrokes of it
[20:37] <grim_> or if i use a sudo command
[20:37] <grim_> any1 knows that problem?
[20:38] <grim_> my old keybord works
[20:38] <grim_> so i have to plugg in my old keybord to log in every time ;_;
[20:39] <grim_> the new one got a 2nd usb connect for usb paththrough
[20:39] <grim_> maybee thats the problem
[20:40] <grim_> i tryed several options but nothing seemed to work
[20:42] <valorie> hmmm
[20:42] <valorie> grim_: #ubuntu is much larger, and I think this is not specifically a Kubuntu problem
[20:42] <valorie> to I would try there
[20:43] <grim_> hm i think its a kde problem
[20:43] <grim_> but i will give it a try
[20:44] <valorie> hmmm, well there is #kde then
[20:45] <valorie> always a bit difficult to know what the root of the problem might be
[22:43] <Fire1221> I am trying to install a iso to a flash card and its not working... Started with using dd to do it and it didnt work then I used Startup creater an that didnt work. DD but the files on the stick but it wasnt bootable. Startup Creator gets to a point around 70% then stalls


[00:57] <Gen86> hello
[01:05] <xu-help67w> hello
[16:39] <xubuntu_newbie> hello
[16:40] <xubuntu_newbie> when i run the updates thing in xubuntu there is a backage of ubuntu as a update to install, shouldnt it be xubuntu?
[16:40] <xubuntu_newbie> package*
[18:28] <wisescribe7> I'm trying to run Street Fighter 5 on Steam through Xubuntu but I keep getting errors, can anyone help?
[18:29] <diogenes_> wisescribe7, enabled proton?
[18:30] <wisescribe7> diogenes: Yes
[18:30] <diogenes_> what error?
[18:31] <wisescribe7> diogenes_ Something about "The UE4-Kiwigame has crashed", then it says "Fatal error" and a bunch of numbers and etc.
[18:33] <wisescribe7> diogenes_ Are you still there?
[18:34] <diogenes_> wait a bit
[18:34] <wisescribe7> OK
[18:47] <diogenes_> wisescribe7, run: ls $HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:47] <diogenes_> share the url
[18:48] <wisescribe7> diogenes_ https://termbin.com/a5s4
[18:50] <diogenes_> wisescribe7, so you have 3 games, did you install Street Fighter the 1 2 3rd?
[18:51] <wisescribe7> diogenes_ I don't understand.
[18:53] <diogenes_> ok run: ls $HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/586200/pfx/drive_c/users | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:03] <wisescribe7> diogenes_ https://termbin.com/m30i
[19:08] <diogenes_> ls $HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/586200/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Appdata | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:28] <wisescribe7> diogenes_ "ls: cannot access '/home/wvalriejr/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/586200/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Appdata': No such file or directory"
[19:31] <diogenes_> AppData try, with capital D
[20:38] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. so, I'm facing a small issue. a cousin pof mine had a laptop with a broken screen. I grabbed it and connected it to an external monitor and it works. there's only one small con: the left edge isn't prefectly aligned with the screen (it kinda goes out if the screen). is there any way to fix this
[20:39] <PeGaSuS> the left border of the screen even covers a small bit of the menu icon
[20:44] <kryten> PeGaSuS: I'd see if the monitor has a means to align the output itself..
[20:49] <PeGaSuS> trying to find out that, yeah. it's a borrowed monitor and when i tap in "auto" it says "Auto Adjustement: Locked". it's a new monitor and setup, so it's time to google a bit
[20:54] <PeGaSuS> aye. fixed it. it was a mtter
[20:55] <PeGaSuS> aye. fixed it. it was a matter of holding a button for 10s to unlock auto adjustment


[03:50] <pleia2> holstein: no, can you PM me your email address?
[03:50] <pleia2> but otherwise, it's the short url in the /topic :)
[16:31] <pleia2> if anyone is available today, still need a bunch of summaries (getting the Planet ones done are most important): http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[17:01] <holstein> pleia2: i'll do one or the other soon! and im looking forward to helping out the team again :)
[19:33] <pleia2> holstein: thanks :)
[21:34] <pleia2> still need lots of summaries, I'll hunker down and write them if needed, but I'd always rather not :)
[21:36] <Unit193> I've checked the link a few times, all are good.
[21:36] <pleia2> thanks
[21:37] <Unit193> (But I'm no good with the other bit)