[00:14] <KillMeNow> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/104116-apt-get-error-e-method-http-has-died-unexpectedly.html
[00:14] <KillMeNow> check that out Zende
[00:14] <KillMeNow> hope it helps
[00:15] <zende> KillMeNow: I saw that thread, but it doesn't have enough information to help
[00:15] <zende> apt-get segfaults when writing gpg keys
[00:16] <zende> [pid  1911] write(4, "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVer"..., 189) = 189
[00:16] <zende> [pid  1911] +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
[00:39] <KillMeNow> hrm...  you can always try to truss the gpgkey creation
[00:39] <KillMeNow> see exactly where it's barfing
[00:40] <zende> KillMeNow: how do I do that?
[00:41] <KillMeNow> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-linux-truss-strace-command/
[00:44] <KillMeNow> you should be able to monitor all the system calls etc using that
[00:45] <Bookman> I just installed denyhosts in 9.04 desktop and I modified the .conf file.  Now when I start it up and examine the denyhosts.log file it does not seem to be picking up the settings that I've changed in .conf even though it says that it is pointing to the right .conf file.
[00:46] <Bookman> *denyhosts.log file is just denyhosts
[01:00] <dinger2006> anyone used imagemagick?
[01:01] <KillMeNow> only used it for gallery2 long time ago
[01:02] <dinger2006> ah ok, noone ever used it for conversions?
[01:42] <Bookman> Anyone online that can lend a hand with a denyhost installation in 9.04 desktop?
[05:00] <teddy_> running ubuntu from a usb flash drive...apt-get update and apt-get upgrade...The update is very slow...973 B/sec.  I was wondering if this was because it is a flash drive, or that mirror is very slow
[05:02] <teddy_> how do i change mirrors to find out if its the mirror or the faslh usb ?
[05:02] <twb> teddy_: it's more likely to be the mirror.
[05:09] <jmarsden> teddy_: On Ubuntu server, change the mirror you use by editing /etc/apt/sources.list .  You may also want to check your general Internet connection speed is decent -- maybe it is not the mirror but is your network connection??
[05:10] <twb> If I saw 973B/sec, I would assume that someone has kicked out the network cable
[05:10] <twb> And the reason it doesn't say 0B/s yet is because it's averaging against a much faster initial speed (before the cable was yanked).
[05:11] <teddy_> i got Karrrazy bandwidth
[05:12] <twb> teddy_: you're in the caucasus?
[05:12] <teddy_> whats that?
[05:12] <twb> teddy_: a mountain range.
[05:12] <teddy_> no
[05:13] <twb> Because "Karrrazy" sounds like an eastern European name :-)
[05:14] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
[05:20] <teddy_> usb flash drive system, apt-gets now much faster after changing mirrors
[05:21] <nick125> Good evening. What virtualization method would you guys suggest for virtualizing Linux guests on Ubuntu on a system without VT?
[05:21] <teddy_> xen
[05:22] <jmarsden> virtualbox-ose
[05:22] <jmarsden> It all depends what the guests will be used for...
[05:24] <nick125> They'll be used as servers
[05:24] <nick125> Right now, I have a Gentoo-based Xen box that I have three VMs on, running all of my network services. I want to migrate that server to Ubuntu, but I want to reevaluate what virtualization solution I'm using.
[05:26] <jmarsden> xen or vmware server are the logical choices for that, I would think.
[05:26] <nick125> Hm. I've never used VMWare Server.
[05:26] <teddy_> 64-bit CPUs and Vmware ESXi
[05:27] <nick125> teddy_: Unfortunately, I can't spend money on new hardware...and ESXi doesn't support softraid
[06:33] <mattt> nick125: i think the latest version of ubuntu only supports kvm, so be careful which release you end up using
[06:36] <twb> Ubuntu never supported vmware directly.
[06:36] <mattt> twb: i mean as opposed to supporting both xen & kvm :)
[06:36] <twb> Ah, sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
[06:37] <twb> You mean Ubuntu libvirt doesn't support xen?
[06:37] <mattt> (i wasn't clear tho, thanks)
[06:38] <mattt> twb: i don't think there's a xen kernel in jaunty
[06:38] <twb> Does the Dom0 need a special kernel?
[06:39] <mattt> my dom0 lenny box: 2.6.26-2-xen-686
[06:39] <mattt> perhaps there is a xen kernel on jaunty now, there wasn't when it was first released tho
[06:40] <twb> mattt: did you have universe turned on?
[06:40] <mattt> twb: i ended up using lenny instead :)
[06:55] <jmarsden> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/xen-hypervisor-3.3
[06:57] <jmarsden> "... An example config file for this kernel and documentation on how to build it can be found in the xen-docs package." -- in other words, you need to build your own dom0 kernel, apparently.
[07:01] <mattt> jmarsden: PITA!
[07:05] <jmarsden> mattt: Maybe.  You're unlikely to be updating your server's dom0 kernel every week, you aren't likely to auto update that kernel either... and you can (presumably) script the kernel build process, so it's mostly a one-time cost.
[07:14] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[07:15] <billybigrigger> and that uses awstats? how do i get apache to either spit out 1 large access.log for awstats to read, or have awstats read access.log and keep it continuous
[07:15] <billybigrigger> every time apapche rotates the log, i loose all the stats, so i only end up having logs for a couple of days
[07:18] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Read the comments in /etc/awstats/awstats.conf regarding the logfile and use of pipes...
[07:19] <billybigrigger> pipes, ahh, thanks jmarsden
[07:19] <jmarsden> Should be lots of ways to recombine your log files and feed them to it that way.  Maybe LogFile="cat /var/log/apache2/*.log |"  or similar
[07:38] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, the logs are ouputting to .log and .log.1 log.2
[07:38] <billybigrigger> would access.* or *.log* work better?
[07:39] <billybigrigger> althought i would like to encorporate other_vhosts_access.log
[07:39] <billybigrigger> so *.log* would be my best option yes?
[07:44] <billybigrigger> webalizer doesn't like that command
[07:44] <billybigrigger> awstats worked ok
[07:44] <billybigrigger> but webalizer.conf looks for logfile /var/......
[07:44] <billybigrigger> not logfile="/var/....."
[07:45] <billybigrigger> Webalizer V2.01-10 (Linux 2.6.28-11-server) locale: en_US.UTF-8
[07:45] <billybigrigger> Error: Can't open log file "cat /var/log/apache2/*access*.log* |"
[08:06]  * soren wonders where uvirtbot went
[08:07] <henkjan> uvirtbot is lost in cyberspace ( 19:20 -!- uvirtbot`<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
[08:08]  * soren taps fingers
[08:08] <soren> uvirtbot: Welcome back.
[08:31] <Dustan> newbie lamp admin here wondering if it's a good idea to set my server to automatically update?
[08:36] <twb> Dustan: that depends on what kind of failure you want to get
[08:36] <twb> Do you want your server to fail because it has been haxxored, or do you want it to fail because an automatic update was installed and something broke because you weren't babysitting the upgrade?
[08:37] <mattt> hehe
[08:42] <mattt> Dustan: subscribe to something that informs you when updates are available, and then apply them manually :)
[08:43] <Dustan> ty
[08:45] <mattt> Dustan: i'm quite new to ubuntu and don't know how package verions work (does it go as an ex. 4.4.1 -> 4.4.2, etc.?) ... if so, those kinds of upgrades could break external PHP modules (pecl, etc.)
[09:12] <andenw_> matt, Dustan: security updates of packages should never include a new version that breaks compatibility - the security fixes are backported to apply to the older versions. (note "should" here, sometimes it is not possible to backport the fixes)
[09:13] <mattt> andenw_: thanks for confirming ... so it sounds similar to RHEL's approach
[09:14] <quizme> i tried to login to my server with ssh and failed 3 times at a password attempt, now i'm getting connection refused port 22 for that user only.  anybody know how to fix that ?
[09:15] <quizme> is that some kind of a security thing ?
[09:16] <quizme> actually it's not just for that user
[09:16] <quizme> the whole domain seems to be shut off
[09:22] <twb> mattt: the standard line is that you should not be installing packages that circumvent apt and dpkg e.g. via PEAR or cpan(1).
[09:23] <twb> quizme: there are such things, but they are not on by default (AFAIK).
[10:36] <scott_nwoktech> i'm trying to get pacemaker/openais etc for hardy server. The PPA doesn't work. Would packages built for debian work?
[10:38] <mobi-sheep> I installed Ubuntu's kernel on my grandma's pacemaker this morning.
[10:38] <mobi-sheep> It worked great. <3
[10:38] <scott_nwoktech> ha
[10:39] <mobi-sheep> Using debian packages (and/or) debian repos?  You're asking for troubles IMO.
[10:40] <scott_nwoktech> yea...i decided to build from latest source, make my own debs. that will allow apt to upgrade them eventuallly right?
[10:42] <mobi-sheep> I don't know.  I'm not the expert here. :)
[10:46] <andenw_> scott_nwoktech: apt will probably not upgrade them correctly, unless you get version numbers exactly right..
[10:47] <andenw_> scott_nwoktech: you can create your own PPA, and upload the debian source packages and tell the build servers to rebuild them for ubuntu...
[10:53] <scott_nwoktech> i haven't had any experience with using your build servers, etc. i do have an account w/ launchpad...do you mean the debs i would build the source tarballs from? just upload them and tell the servers to build for whatever ubuntu versions i want?
[11:12] <mattt> hm, trying to scp a 100GB+ file from one system to another (remote system is using XFS), but it keeps failing around 64 GB
[11:12] <mattt> as far as i can tell that's not an XFS limitation?
[11:20] <Dustan> isn't there a one line lamp installation?
[11:20] <soren> Dustan: sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[11:20] <Dustan> lmao
[11:20] <Dustan> wow
[11:20] <Dustan> that installs all the latest stable packages?
[11:23] <soren> Well, yes.
[11:24] <soren> mattt: I'm not familiar with any limitations like that in XFS, no.
[11:24] <soren> mattt: Perhaps openssh's internal counter falls over.
[11:24] <soren> mattt: How does it fail, exactly?
[11:25] <mattt> soren: "scp" just stalls and eventually disconnects
[11:26] <mattt> soren: rather, scp just "stalls" :)
[11:27] <zende> mattt: you could try breaking up the file using split.  worth a try
[11:27] <mattt> yea, was thinking about that ...
[11:28] <soren> That really shouldn't be necessary.
[11:28] <soren> mattt: Can you try it again, and try stracing the scp process?
[11:29] <mattt> soren: i'm rsyncing it now, let me start to strace
[11:29] <soren> mattt: rsync doesn't work either?
[11:30] <mattt> soren: i'll find out shortly :) it's ~ 120 GB, so takes a while :)
[11:30] <mattt> at 58 GB now .....
[11:33] <mattt> soren: odd, it's going still
[11:33] <mattt> soren: hmmm
[11:33] <mattt> soren: i see what's happening
[11:34] <mattt> soren: at 64 GB, for whatever reason, the remote ssh server is requesting me to re-authenticate
[11:34] <mattt> soren: i caught it in time this time and it resumed
[11:35] <soren> mattt: Reauthenticate? How?
[11:35] <mattt> soren: password/key authentication
[11:35] <mattt> soren: (rsync over ssh)
[11:35] <soren> mattt: But the session is already set up?
[11:35] <soren> Oh, rsync.
[11:35] <mattt> soren: yep
[11:35] <soren> Well, in that case, the connection must have been dropped and rsync tries to connect and pick up where it left off.
[11:36] <mattt> soren: 3 times at 64 GB tho?  :)
[11:36] <soren> Yes.
[11:36] <mattt> that seems a bit strange
[11:36] <soren> Is that strange?
[11:36] <soren> Why?
[11:36] <soren> I'm not saying the connection is being dropped randomly.
[11:37] <soren> It's likely triggered by a bug that kicks in when 64 GB have been transferred.
[11:37] <mattt> yeah
[11:37] <mattt> or .....
[11:37] <zende> apt-get is blowing up when trying to download packages for me
[11:37] <mattt> my drive is read-only (hence me getting data off), and ssh can't update ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:38] <zende> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[11:38] <soren> mattt: I kidn of doubt that it would wait 64 GB before it tried to updated known_hosts?
[11:39] <mattt> i don't know if it periodically checks that and if it can't verify the authenticity of the remote host after transfering so much data you need to re-log in
[11:39] <mattt> (or it needs to re-verify the authenticity)
[11:39] <mattt> soren: no, it checks immediately
[11:39] <soren> mattt: That doesn't make sense for straight ssh.
[11:39] <soren> zende: Try in #ubuntu.
[11:40] <zende> soren: ok
[11:40] <mattt> soren: not sure, that was a weird one
[11:41] <soren> mattt: I'd try stracing ssh processes (both scp on the client, and the corresponding process on the server)
[11:41] <mattt> i have the strace output, 100+ MB tho so i need to weed through it
[11:41] <soren> mattt: From rsync or scp?
[11:42] <mattt> soren: rsync, but i -used a -f so hopefully it included the ssh subprocess
[11:44] <mattt> soren: i'll probably try disablign strict host checking later on, but need to get this file off before it's too late ... thanks for your input!
[12:36] <n3m3s1s4u> Hi all - can anyone suggest a really easy to use webmail front end (not squirrel or roundcube) that works well on sendmail and pop?
[13:01] <zende> what would cause apt-get to segfault when downloading packages when running hardy in KVM on a clean install using vmbuilder?
[13:42] <incorrect> I want to apply some performance tuning options i've been setting in /sys/ is there something like sysctl.conf where i can store them?
[13:45] <sommer> incorrect: you're probably looking for /etc/sysctl.conf
[13:49] <incorrect> i don't see how i can map stuff from /sys/ i don't see a mapping in /proc/sys
[13:58] <sommer> incorrect: the net.ipv4.ip_forward option for example maps to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[14:22] <storrgie> I need to set up a machine remotely with ubuntu-desktop installed on it, and be able to vnc in.... has anyone done this?
[14:33] <billybigrigger> without ssh how would you have remote access?
[14:33] <billybigrigger> im pretty sure you need physical access for that one
[14:40] <a1fa> what was that benchmark tool for hd ?
[14:40] <fbc-mx> ls
[14:41] <fbc-mx> How can I make my virtual interfaces come up automatically on my server? I also need to logon and ifup them before I start my apache, and I'd like for them to start up automatically.
[14:45] <a1fa> edit your interfaces file
[14:46] <a1fa> auto eth0.1
[14:46] <a1fa> or whatever
[14:57] <fbc-mx> it is so wierd. even when that interface is up I can't ping it.
[14:58] <a1fa> somebody recommended a ++ something benchmark yesterday
[14:59] <_ruben> bonnie++
[15:18] <a1fa> _ruben : thanks
[16:17] <ivoks> kirkland: there's one really cool tool (iptraf) that requires bigger window than the one that's left with byobu; so, someone should look into that
[16:22] <josephpiche> not sure if this is the right place for this, but i got a question: how do i check the status of services via cli? and is there an api i could use to connect to this via python or something?
[16:23] <aruetten> josephpiche: what do you meen with service? you kann use ps to see what process are there
[16:23] <josephpiche> wow, that sounded really newbish... i mean what is the "correct" way to do it i.e. not via calling "/etc/init.d/xxx status" via python
[16:23] <ivoks> invoke-rc.d cron status
[16:24] <josephpiche> thank you very much
[16:24] <hggdh> or service cron status
[16:25] <josephpiche> hmm... is one better than the other?
[16:25] <hggdh> they pretty much do the same thing
[16:26] <hggdh> service clean up the environment before executing
[16:27] <orogor> hi here
[16:27] <josephpiche> so, would you recommend using one over the other in, say, a panel applet?
[16:27] <orogor> anyobne know if it s possible to go from a single drive install to a raid 10 install without reinstalling ?
[16:28] <Hecate> orogor, hw or sw raid? i assume the latter.
[16:28] <orogor> yes sw raid
[16:28] <orogor> else it would be at least less an issue
[16:30] <Hecate> i'm sure it can be done. the how is probably the issue. ;)
[16:30] <Hecate> gimme a minute
[16:31] <orogor> there s already lvm running
[16:31] <Hecate> you got a seperate boot-partition? otherwise a raid-level that includes a zero will be difficult/impossible?
[16:31] <Hecate> *.
[16:31] <orogor> also right now i have 2 drives diamond max 10, i can put all the data on a single drive, then ill add 2 diamond max 21
[16:32] <orogor> i could spare a 100MB partition, it s not an issue
[16:33] <Hecate> you'll need a 5th drive to get the raid10 set up.
[16:35] <hggdh> josephpiche, I would use 'service'
[16:37] <Hecate> this is how i'd do it: 1) get 4 empty drives 2) boot the box from a live-cd/-usb 3) create 2 partitions on the 4 empty drives (1 GiB for boot and the rest for the lvm's data-stripe)
[16:37] <Hecate> ^^ orogor
[16:37] <Hecate> _|__
[16:38] <josephpiche> hggdh: thanks
[16:38] <Hecate> orogor, 4) create a raid1 (copy) on all 4 small partitions, format it with ext2, install grub (QUESTION: Can grub boot from raid10?)
[16:39] <Sam-I-Am> Hecate: just not raid 5 iirc
[16:39] <josephpiche> hggdh: i need an applet for doing simple status, start, stop, restart actions on a couple services and couldn't find any, so I figured I should just write on
[16:39] <orogor> humm
[16:41] <Hecate> 5) create a raid10 on the remaining partitions, create a new lvm inside that raid, copy the data into it 6) get the system ready to boot: mount the system inside the lvm, chroot into it, adjust the mdadm.conf, modprobe.conf 7) update the initramfs 8) give it a shot
[16:42] <Hecate> thanks Sam-I-Am
[16:42] <orogor> hufff
[16:42] <hggdh> josephpiche, I guess you can easily wrap a shell script (or perl, or python) around either service or invoke-rc.d
[16:43] <hggdh> both of them will accept any parameters to be sent to the real init script being called
[16:43] <Hecate> orogor, this is a very complicated thing to do, i'm afraid. and if i were you i would not tackle it, unless you either really need it or know what you're doing (i.e. you're really experienced)
[16:44] <Hecate> i just hope a) my explanations are correct and b) you did understand them ;)
[16:44] <orogor> experienced, but not with raid
[16:44] <Hecate> orogor, maybe you could give the entire thing a dry run using a virtual machine?
[16:45] <Hecate> or maybe you just want to start with sth a little less difficult. for example turning the entire thing into a raid1?
[16:46] <josephpiche> hggdh: interesting. thanks for the advice
[16:46] <Hecate> orogor, but before you start doing anything, verify that grub can boot from raid10. it does for raid1, since i use that myself.
[16:46]  * Hecate is afk now. Got to fix himself sth to eat.
[16:46] <orogor> Hecate, going to buy the disks before the store close, brb
[16:47] <orogor> Hecate, that must somehow works, peoples do it , i worry more for theswitch itself
[17:14] <a1fa> hostname,9632M,40107,95,43868,21,22237,7,30215,58,64024,10,457.4,0,16,+++++,+++,+++++,+++,+++++,+++,+++++,+++,+++++,+++,+++++,+++
[17:14] <a1fa> is this any good
[17:14] <a1fa> who can interpret bonnie data
[17:15] <orogor> nobody :)
[17:15] <orogor> i never understood it
[17:15] <Sam-I-Am> its fields
[17:15] <Sam-I-Am> they're well documented
[17:16] <a1fa> url?
[17:16] <Sam-I-Am> man page
[17:17] <a1fa> ;P
[17:17] <a1fa> no
[17:18] <Sam-I-Am> no?
[17:18] <mattt> bonnie can spit out html, no?
[17:18] <Sam-I-Am> it should have output the field names above the data
[17:18] <a1fa> nah
[17:18] <a1fa> i want to compare it to other results
[17:19] <a1fa> sorry
[17:19] <a1fa> to ther setups by other people
[17:19] <Sam-I-Am> http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/readme.html
[17:19] <Sam-I-Am> that was hard using google :)
[17:20] <a1fa> hm
[17:21] <a1fa> 39mb/s sucks
[17:22] <a1fa>  Timing buffered disk reads:   86 MB in  3.03 seconds =  28.39 MB/sec
[17:22] <a1fa> lol
[17:22] <a1fa> ghey
[17:23] <Sam-I-Am> sounds a tad slow
[17:23] <Sam-I-Am> then again, there are some craptastic raid controllers out there
[17:23] <Sam-I-Am> like dell perc3
[17:32] <mathiaz> kirkland: are you writing up the minutes of today's ubuntu-server meeting?
[17:32] <kirkland> mathiaz: heh :-)
[17:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm pretty slammed right now, do you mind?
[17:33] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'll try to get to it today then
[17:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool, thanks.
[19:18] <resno> Hello, I am trying set up a virtual server. And I am not sure what to do.
[19:24] <resno> I need help configuring my server to be a vps.
[19:44] <Hecate> resno, what exactely do you wanna do?=
[19:45] <resno> i have django running and i would like to setup php to run.
[19:45] <resno> the best way i can think to do it is with two seperate vpses
[19:46] <billybigrigger> hey all
[19:47] <billybigrigger> anyone here run a virtual server inside of vbox?
[19:47] <billybigrigger> im trying to run a copied disk and created a new machine...
[19:47] <billybigrigger> everything works good
[19:47] <billybigrigger> except my networking
[19:47] <billybigrigger> i have guest additions installed, nat set for network type in vbox, and i still get nothing
[19:47]  * Nafallo thought vbox was some graphical thing :-)
[19:48] <billybigrigger> yeah i run my www/mysql/mail services through it though
[19:48]  * resno agrees with Nafallo
[19:48] <billybigrigger> better than having 2 computers running
[19:48] <billybigrigger> and nicer than combining server apps/services with desktop
[19:49] <billybigrigger> so i run the server inside a vm
[19:49] <billybigrigger> whats wrong with that?
[19:53] <Hecate> what's django?
[20:04] <KillMeNow> anyone here know of a better way to update your Ubuntu 8.04lts to 9 w/o having to download the install ISO?
[20:06] <katakaio> Have you attempted a dist-upgrade?
[20:06] <sbeattie> KillMeNow: do-release-upgrade doesn't work for you?
[20:06] <KillMeNow> yea, i've done the dist-upgrade whenver i see a new kernel update
[20:07] <KillMeNow> haven't tried the do-release-upgrade yet
[20:07] <KillMeNow> lemme try that
[20:07] <KillMeNow> course, lemme back up everything first
[20:07] <RoAkSoAx> KillMeNow, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:20] <alex-weej> halp
[20:20] <ivoks> hulp
[20:20] <alex-weej> we have an LDAP server which we're using for authentication etc. on a few hosts
[20:20] <alex-weej> we have a server which is in a DMZ which we want to restrict "access" to
[20:20] <resno> how do i setup a virtual server?
[20:20] <alex-weej> anyone know the best way to do that?
[20:21] <alex-weej> posix group membership?
[20:22] <henkjan_> aan de moezel
[20:22] <henkjan_> err, E_WINDOW
[20:23] <alex-weej> i can limit ssh access to some groups, but that still lets you log in at the seat
[20:23] <alex-weej> i need a more general way of limiting login to some group
[20:48] <Sam-I-Am> alex-weej: netgroups
[20:59] <\sh> anyone using pxe booting linux kernels and using root nfsmounts ?
[21:00]  * \sh sees very strange dhcp request behaviour of ipconfig (klibc)...waiting too long and not sending directly dhcp requests to the server..an ipconfig -t 360 helps here..but this is so insane
[21:00] <\sh> (pxe dhcp requests are working like a charm)
[21:01] <\sh> switch runs on portfast mode for all native trunk ports...and we know it works
[21:02] <\sh> the only candidate who can fck up this setup looks like ipconfig during initramfs
[21:10] <AtomicSpark> So I'm a staff member on Halflife2.net and our website goes down when there is a spike in traffic. The summary is here http://pastie.org/private/enx6ksykaueil5qa6d7ug Is there anyway we can tweak a default LAMP install? Would using lighttpd make this better?
[21:11] <ivoks> or you could configure the system?
[21:12] <ivoks> default config is just that - default config
[21:12] <ivoks> it doesn't cover all the scenarios
[21:12] <ivoks> if you have big iowait, don't allow so many connections
[21:12] <RoyK> AtomicSpark: I guess that depends on where the bottleneck is located
[21:12] <ivoks> or buy faster disks
[21:13] <ivoks> if it's an php app, you should also consider eaccelerator
[21:13] <ivoks> and biger buffers for mysql
[21:13] <AtomicSpark> I personally don't have access to the server. I'm just looking for tips to give him.
[21:13] <\sh> AtomicSpark: remove all apache mods from the installation which you don't need...adjust the fork config in apaches configuration...you need stress your apache config to get good values...and increase your memory...2GB for mysql with a php app in front of it, is not enough...
[21:14] <ivoks> high iowait is... bad luck
[21:14] <\sh> AtomicSpark: well, another option may be to pay a sysadmin a good salary  ;)
[21:14] <ivoks> basicaly, you reached the limits
[21:14] <ivoks> you could try fix it with bigger buffers for mysql and apache
[21:14] <AtomicSpark> It is a high traffic website. I'm surprized it's on such a weak system.
[21:15] <ivoks> but with 2GB you don't have lots of space...
[21:15] <ivoks> AtomicSpark: what disks are there?
[21:15] <ivoks> probably sata
[21:16] <AtomicSpark> I'm not sure. I'd assume SATA, but the website has been around for awhile. Might be SCSI.
[21:16] <ivoks> or IDE :)
[21:16]  * AtomicSpark shivers
[21:16] <ivoks> if you get iowait with scsi, then you have serious problems
[21:17] <ivoks> you'll have to cut on number of allowed connections
[21:17] <ivoks> and fix the application
[21:17] <ivoks> it's hard to talk about it without real numbers
[21:20] <AtomicSpark> True. Well thanks for the advice. I'll forward it on to him.
[21:21] <a1fa> who has ubuntu/debian boot cd that can do dell firmware updates?
[21:22]  * \sh doesn't use dell hw...hp has some debian packages for x86 / x86_64
[21:24]  * \sh is gone home
[21:25] <AtomicSpark> a1fa: If dell comes with a firmware maintanince cd like HP does, just use it.
[21:25] <KillMeNow> i guess Ubuntu is a microsoft product now:  http://linuxologist.com/linuxhumor/ubuntu-is-a-microsoft-product-now/
[21:29] <a1fa> KillMeNow
[21:29] <KillMeNow> yes?
[21:30] <a1fa> thats funny
[21:31] <KillMeNow> isn't it though?
[21:31] <KillMeNow> Dell still hasn't corrected the mistake
[22:47] <dinger1986> does anyone know what command you use with cp to not overwrite
[22:50] <KillMeNow> cp -n
[22:50] <dinger1986> i just tried that it says invalid option
[22:51] <Tom_Ass> what port should I open in ufw to make my nfs shares accessible?
[22:53] <jpds> Tom_Ass: 2049
[22:54] <KillMeNow> i suppose you can try to use the --update option
[22:54] <KillMeNow> it will only overwrite if the file is newer, but there is always rsync --ignore-existing
[22:57] <dinger1986> ah rsync sounds ok
[22:58] <dinger1986> sweet works a wee treat
[23:04] <KillMeNow> glad to help dinger
[23:10] <Tom_Ass> thanks, jpds, but it doesn't seem sufficient
[23:12] <KillMeNow> are you running IPTables?
[23:14] <Tom_Ass> KillMeNow, yes
[23:15] <KillMeNow> try flushing your iptables and then see if NFS can mount
[23:16] <KillMeNow> if you can mount it after IPTables are flushed and empty then it's the IPTables that's killing the connection


[00:54] <dscassel> hi hakimsheriff.
[00:56] <hakimsheriff> anything new?
[00:56] <hakimsheriff> how are the buisness cards going?
[00:57] <dscassel> Nobody took on the business card task.
[00:57] <hakimsheriff> really?
[00:57] <hakimsheriff> If I could I, I can
[00:57] <dscassel> There was a lot of "we shoulds" but nto a lot of commitment.
[00:57] <dscassel> I don't have time, certainly.
[00:58] <hakimsheriff> I could see what I could do,
[00:58] <hakimsheriff> I think I could design it but nothing else
[00:58] <dscassel> Awesome, thanks. :)
[00:58] <hakimsheriff> what should I put on It
[00:59] <dscassel> Logo mainly.
[00:59] <dscassel> And website url.
[00:59] <dscassel> I'm tempted to put the IRC channel on.
[01:00] <hakimsheriff> I am sort-of busy now so I might not answer all the time
[01:00] <dscassel> I'd really like to have a map of Canada with all the Ubuntu Canada chapters, but presently, that's Waterloo, Ottawa and sort of Toronto.
[01:00] <dscassel> No problem.  Likewise. :)
[01:01] <hakimsheriff> should be have a qr code?
[01:01] <dscassel> Sure. We were discussing that for the t-shirt, but it works there too.
[01:01] <hakimsheriff> what should the qr code have?
[01:02] <hakimsheriff> the website link?
[01:02] <dscassel> Yeah.
[01:10] <hakimsheriff> nothing else?
[01:12] <hakimsheriff> should I have spaces for name and stuff like that?
[01:14] <hakimsheriff> dscassel:
[01:17] <hakimsheriff> I don't think the qr code will fit
[01:19] <dscassel> You can make it tiny.
[01:20] <hakimsheriff> I will already have a website link on it
[01:20] <dscassel> You could also add a quick tagline for what Ubuntu Canada is...
[01:21] <dscassel> That's fine
[01:22] <hakimsheriff> anything else
[01:23] <dscassel> I might have other suggestions when I see a design. :)
[01:23] <dscassel> Anyway, gotta run. bia.
[01:23] <dscassel> b
[01:28] <hakimsheriff> i accidently closed the thing without saving sorry
[01:29] <hakimsheriff> i am busy now so i cant do it rigth now but in the future i will see
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:44] <dscassel> BluesKaj: 'morning. :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> 'morning dscassel :) ...cold here
[15:59] <dscassel> Here too. Well, not so bad, but winter has returned after yesterday's thaw.


[19:43] <sobersabre> hi.
[19:43] <sobersabre> I am considering dell latitude E5500 laptop.
[19:43] <sobersabre> it's Intel's X45 based.
[19:43] <sobersabre> it has Intel X4500HD graphic card.


[00:03] <marc__> sound works. thanks for your hint, i will try to install the graphic card first.
[00:04] <holstein> well, good luck
[00:48] <holstein> marc__: you got desktop?
[01:03] <RubbberDucky> I am uber confused.  Is Ubuntu Studio a whole separate install from ubuntu?
[01:10] <RubbberDucky> I just want to use my interface in ubuntu without doing a reinstall...
[01:10] <RubbberDucky> :(
[01:13]  * RubbberDucky cries a lil
[01:14] <rzm61> Hey everyone, I was here last night trying to figure out how to record what I'm hearing in hydrogen into audacity...or any program that will allow me to do so
[01:14] <rzm61> I've been having some issues
[04:32] <TheMuso> /c/c
[07:29] <rage_> Hey guys, is there a meta package for ubuntustudio?
[07:32] <rage_> Nevermind my newbie question found the docs ;)
[07:33] <rage_> Hmm, is there an "industry-standard" audio interface to use with ubuntu studio?
[07:38] <marsilainen> rage_: plenty of audio interfaces will work with ubuntu, what sort of thing are you looking for?
[07:40] <marsilainen> rage_: lots of PCI sound cards etc work well these days, along with USB & firewire external audio interfaces
[07:41] <marsilainen> but do check before you buy one that it is well supported
[07:41] <marsilainen> for external audio interfaces, from what I've read, probably USB interfaces are generally better supported than firewire ones
[07:42] <marsilainen> I'm thinking of getting an edirol/cakewalk UA-25EX for example, which I understand to be well supported
[07:43] <rage_> ok cool, I've had a really quick look at some of the m-audio stuff
[07:43] <rage_> I would be looking for something with at least 2 1/4" jacks with phantom power
[07:43] <marsilainen> yeah, some of the m-audio devices are definitely supported, but if you're thinking of buying a particular one then do some googling to see how others have got on with it on Linux first
[07:44] <marsilainen> if it works on other Linux distros then you should be fine in ubuntu too
[07:44] <rage_> ok, is there usually just a kernel module to compile and load?
[07:45] <rage_> hehe, its been awhile since I have compiled a linux kernel
[07:46] <marsilainen> for usb audio interfaces, they are mostly covered by the alsa usb modules which you will already have
[07:46] <marsilainen> so you wouldn't likely need to do any kernel compiling
[07:46] <marsilainen> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-MAudio
[07:47] <marsilainen> that looks like a list of which m-audio devices are supported by the current alsa usb drivers
[07:47] <marsilainen> oh, and some pci ones in there too
[07:49] <rage_> cool, thanks :)
[07:49] <marsilainen> np
[07:49] <rage_> I'll have to do some research
[20:54] <marc__> hi, can somebody give me a hint on how to get midi running. i read that there's a problem with pulseaudio but i'm stuck. (ubuntustudio 9.04)
[20:55] <holstein> hmmm
[20:56] <holstein> im in the middle of something for a bit marc__ if you can hang :)
[20:56] <holstein> OH
[20:56] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians too
[20:57] <marc__> no problem
[21:03] <holstein> DUDE
[21:03] <holstein> my girlfriend and i are buying a house :)
[21:04] <holstein> in the middle of that kind of thing
[21:04] <holstein> ANYWAYS marc__, have you used jack?
[21:11] <marc__> yep, i can see the ports listed in the connection kit
[21:12] <holstein> OH
[21:12] <holstein> awesome
[21:12] <holstein> well, have you gotten sound from other software?
[21:12] <holstein> through jack?
[21:14] <jussi01> just kill pulse and be done with it ;)
[21:16] <marc__> jack works fine
[21:17] <holstein> SO, whats not working?
[21:17] <holstein> just midi in general
[21:17] <holstein> getting starte?
[21:17] <holstein> started*
[21:18] <holstein> you could try zynaddsubfx
[21:18] <holstein> its a synth with sounds
[21:18] <holstein> i have trouble running it in real-time and theres a new version
[21:18] <marc__> i just dont hear anything
[21:18] <marc__> i tried with rosegarden
[21:18] <holstein> OK
[21:19] <holstein> yeah, rosegarden doesnt have any sounds
[21:19] <marc__> killall -9 pulseaudio will bring timidity down:
[21:19] <marc__> timidity: pcm_pulse.c:361: pulse_write: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.
[21:19] <marc__> Aborted
[21:19] <holstein> it sends midi data
[21:19] <holstein> if you hear sound otherwise when using jack, i dont think you have a pulse issue
[21:21] <marc__> i didnt suppose so too, just googled and saw that pulse caused some problems
[21:21] <holstein> yeah, and it does
[21:21] <holstein> but, i think it would be hanging up all your audio
[21:21] <holstein> taking over your sound device altogether
[21:21] <holstein> not letting jack have it
[21:23] <holstein> but, i think you just need a software sound module
[21:39] <marc__> ok, i have to admit i made two errors
[21:39] <holstein> well, whats it look like?
[21:40] <marc__> 1. when i killed pulse the front sound was somehow muted
[21:40] <marc__> on my lenovo this means i hear nothing through my headphones
[21:41] <marc__> 2. i tried around with timidity -iA -Os
[21:41] <marc__> you can see the timidity input ports
[21:42] <marc__> and if "-Os" is changed to "-Oj", jack will also get some output ports for your system :)
[21:44] <marc__> ok, thanks for taking your time. hope i wont bother you too much in future
[21:49] <holstein> hmm
[21:50] <holstein> i unfortunatly dont have a lot of experience with MIDI or internal sound card configurations
[22:28] <marc__> bye
[23:15] <new2ubutnu> hey all
[23:16] <new2ubutnu> using heron hardy...  trying to find out how to get my RALink USB wifi adapter to work so i can get on the net with my desktop and give my sister back her vista laptop..
[23:17] <new2ubutnu> i rebooted...  not sure where to find out if Ubuntu sees the RALink usb adapter
[23:19] <new2ubutnu> i went to Network Settings - unlocked network settings - then selected wireless connection and clicked proerties..  so now I'm in the wlan0 properties window and not sure what to do
[23:20] <amstan> if you have wlan0 and you only have 1 wifi card it works
[23:20] <amstan> though,, not sure how to help you more
[23:20] <amstan> i don't use gnome
[23:20] <amstan> try #ubuntu
[23:21] <new2ubutnu> o.k. thanks


[13:57] <scott-work> holstein:  i mentioned that i had received access to the website but i didn't think it worked
[13:57] <scott-work> i tried again last night and it still didn't work, so i email chris jones back about it
[13:58] <scott-work> i was resigned to having to get skaet and agraner involved and wait four months before i got another reply
[13:58] <scott-work> _this morning_ i get a new email from chris :)
[13:58] <scott-work> when i get home i will run it through pgp and see what it says ;)
[13:59] <scott-work> hopefully this means that i can update the website tonight then
[13:59] <scott-work> i will check to see if i can grant others access to the website, if not then i will file another ticket to get this privilege
[14:32] <scott-work> knome:  i added my recommendation to your wiki page :)  good luck, sir!
[15:32] <holstein> scott-work: thats great news :)
[15:32] <holstein> even if it still doesnt work yet, we have eyes on it, and thats good
[15:33] <holstein> i think now is the time to get that going on
[15:33] <holstein> not that the devs are ever really idle, but right now in the cycle is probably the best time to catch folks somewhat idle
[15:33] <scott-work> i think you are correct :)
[15:34] <holstein> hopefully, all of this site stuff can be knocked out before the 12.04 craze starts
[15:36] <scott-work> holstein: so what do you consider as the absolute minimum to include in the new website?
[15:38] <holstein> scott-work: i think as long as its wordpress-like, and we can edit it easily, i say, just filling in what is there on that template is great
[15:38] <holstein> linking to the wikis
[15:38] <holstein> and the forums
[15:38] <holstein> and adding news as-needed
[15:38] <holstein> something that is simple and clean and can stand the test of time
[15:39] <scott-work> my thoughts were:
[15:39] <scott-work> 1. news and release announcements
[15:39] <scott-work> 2. link to images
[15:39] <scott-work> 3. link to help.u.c
[15:39] <scott-work> 4. link to "contribute to studio" on wiki.u.c
[15:40] <scott-work> i think that's the bare minimum for this
[15:40] <holstein> works for me
[15:40] <scott-work> i think when the website is staged we should create or populate these, if we have not done already
[15:40] <holstein> yup
[15:40] <holstein> i really think its nearly done
[15:41] <scott-work> although we will need to differentiate with knome when we can create pages and/or populate them
[15:41] <holstein> i think we just need to 'pull the trigger' on something
[15:41] <holstein> i *really* like what knome has
[15:41] <scott-work> i agree on both accounts
[17:16] <knome> scott-work, thanks!
[17:18] <scott-work> knome: you are welcome :)
[17:18] <knome> let me create you accounts for the wordpress installation i have now
[17:18] <knome> please remember the post style is not finished yet
[17:19] <knome> meaning, stuff you add to posts might not look good, and images are not aligned even if you set them to right-aligned in admin
[17:19] <knome> scott-work, scottalavender @ google's mail ?
[17:20] <scott-work> knome: that is correct
[17:23] <knome> now if i could only remember my own password
[17:25] <scott-work> lol
[17:28] <knome> you got email
[17:28] <knome> holstein, you too
[17:33] <scott-work> knome, outstanding!  thank you so much :)
[17:33] <knome> np
[17:33] <knome> if you need something (something looks particularly ugly, or you want to test how something would look in production), just ping me
[17:33] <knome> i'll add the alignment stuff in in a few minutes
[17:35] <knome> if you need/want to add plugins, feel free to (just send me an email after if you left something enabled)
[17:37] <knome> done
[17:38] <scott-work> cool :)  i will defintely look at this evening after work, thank you again
[17:38] <knome> np
[17:38] <knome> i'll try to get some work done on the site later today or tomorrow too, so we're a bit closer to being ready for publishing too
[17:41] <scott-work> holstein:  make sure you check your spam folder if you don't see the email ;)
[19:46] <scott-work> knome:  how much should we do in this current website before the staging on canonical severs?
[19:47] <scott-work> are we just playing with it to get the feel of it to make sure things format well?
[19:47] <scott-work> or will we be able to transfer the site and the sql database to the staging area and finally to the final site?
[19:57] <knome> scott-work, transfering what you build to this site is not too hard, so you can do pretty polished things there :)
[20:37] <scott-work> doh!  i see charlie-tca is also going for xubuntu project lead, i feel kinda bad now that i added a recommendation to knome's wiki page but didn't do anything for charlie
[20:38] <knome> scott-work, nobody said you can't cheer for both :)
[20:38] <knome> scott-work, also, the information on the nominees was released today
[20:38] <scott-work> oh!
[20:38] <knome> so, kind of, you couldn't know
[20:38] <scott-work> yeah, i'm going with that ;)
[20:38] <knome> heh
[20:39] <scott-work> but charlie did a LOT of testing for us when we were down and out so i might say something nice for him as well, i hope you don't mind
[20:39] <knome> heh, feel free to
[20:39] <knome> i think charlie is doing wonderful job on testing and QA, too
[20:40] <knome> i'm no completely sure where charlie want's the support to
[20:41] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CharlieKravetz/XubuntuProjectLeadNomination is last edited about a year ago...
[22:20] <knome> ScottL, holstein: check your inbox for email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;))
[22:42] <knome> off for today, so i'll have some energy left for tomorrow too
[22:42] <knome> see you!
[23:31] <ScottL> knome, hmmm, i don't see anything special or from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:(
[23:31] <ScottL> knome, good news however, i did manage to log into the website
[23:31] <ScottL>
[23:32] <ScottL> in other news, the email chris jones sent is encrypted with someone else's key :|   this is like a bad dream
[23:32] <ScottL> i don't think i'll ever get into the existing website to update the release notes/links
[23:32] <ScottL> holstein, ^^^


[02:21] <hggdh> arrrrgggghhhhh!
[02:21] <hggdh> another email I should not have read....
[04:16] <tsimonq2> tarpman: Python 3.6 will not land as default in Zesty, the plan is Zesty+1
[04:17] <tarpman> tsimonq2: ok, thanks
[04:17] <tsimonq2> tarpman: (the person working on that is Barry Warsaw if you have specific questions or you want to help)
[04:18] <tsimonq2> tarpman: np :)


[00:22] <diddledan> interesting WSL developments: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/02/07/windowswsl-interop-with-af_unix/
[00:27] <diddledan> why do folk love to point out when they're the "first" to comment, message, etc. in a forum or chat?
[01:04] <zmoylan-pi> it's now an online comment trope... as much as a hello mum sign behind a tv commentator
[01:29] <daftykins> diddledan: idiots on the internets!
[01:29] <diddledan> INORITE
[01:31] <daftykins> what's funny is when someone does that and gets second ;D
[01:54] <ali1234> unix sockets eh? that should make running a desktop environment a lot easier
[01:58] <diddledan>  "How To Make Package Managers Cry" (https://youtu.be/NSemlYagjIU)
[01:59] <diddledan> Desktop environments is one thing, but what about sharing ssh-agent between dows and wsl?!
[01:59] <daftykins> Comic Sans >_<
[01:59] <diddledan> ><
[02:00] <diddledan> Irccloud!!!!!!!
[02:00] <diddledan> Y U show comic sans in comic sans?!
[02:00] <daftykins> seriously?
[02:00] <diddledan> Aye
[02:03] <daftykins> that's a pretty amusing trick :D
[02:03] <daftykins> so does it change the entire line if i refer to Comic Sans mid sentence?
[02:04] <diddledan> No, just the words comic sans. The rest is untouched
[02:04] <daftykins> ah, that's acceptable
[02:08] <diddledan> cimic sans https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yPThGuGu/Capture%2B_2018-02-15-02-07-38.png
[02:23] <daftykins> how's this for a quirky one, an optical drive of mine is giving loads of errors on certain audio tracks of multiple CDs, but they go away if i cancel and restart...
[02:23] <daftykins> must be the drive flaking out :S
[02:29] <diddledan> Might be having trouble focusing
[02:32] <daftykins> if i eject and reload then rip a same track again, it comes back fine though
[02:33] <daftykins> this is using EAC with accuraterip together with the test and copy method, so the CRCs are compared between then also against a database of known values online
[02:37] <ali1234> probably the drive belt is getting worn out
[02:37] <ali1234> stopping it will allow it to cool and grip again
[02:38] <ali1234> do CD drives even have drive belts? ;)
[02:39] <ali1234> sometimes apparently http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/REFERENCES/cec51/cec-26.jpg
[02:40] <daftykins> it's a pretty annoying drive as i have to hit eject about 20 times typically to open it up, something sits and spins most of the time
[02:40] <daftykins> only when it's been idle for a while, though
[02:40] <daftykins> real shame as it's been ace and fast for accurate rips
[02:42] <ali1234> that is also caused by a worn out belt, but a different one
[02:42] <ali1234> not so much worn out as just perished
[02:44] <daftykins> yip, but i think i've already had it open - or maybe i'm thinking of another drive
[02:45] <daftykins> anywho onto the next disc i suppose
[03:21] <daftykins> more concerningly, ever have half your face suddenly begin peeling for no good reason - and nothing helps? not even moisturising...
[03:23] <daftykins> life and its' little surprises
[09:03] <foobarry> got me some nvidia volta GPUs..these things are fast
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:49] <brobostigon> o/
[09:59] <SuperMatt> \o
[14:54] <diddledan> foobarry: how much were those voltas?
[15:00] <diddledan> the Dual EC DRBG problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nybVFJVXbww
[16:59] <diddledan> any non IANALs? looking at my philips hue copyright blurb they offer source code for the gpl stuff "up to three years from purchase". Just wondering if they're allowed to limit the availability term there
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> they might just have the code on a floppy disc... good luck reading that after a few years sitting on a shelf... :-)
[19:59] <diddledan> *hug* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxNdQJSlg54
[20:23] <ali1234> popey: does anyone ever look at the moderation queue on ubuntu-devel mailing list? cos will replied to my mail but i still didn't get a moderation response either way. "Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision."
[20:24] <popey> I think so
[20:24] <ali1234> i assume he picked it up from the CC
[20:24] <popey> looks like cjwatson is the only person
[20:27] <ali1234> i can understand if the queue is a bit larger than normal after that post :)
[20:27] <popey> heh
[20:28] <popey> I think everyone is posting their carefully considered thoughts elsewhere tbh
[20:33] <ali1234> actually this happened the last time i tried to post there
[20:33] <ali1234> that was 6 years ago though
[20:51] <diddledan> something fun going on?
[20:51]  * diddledan will check the ml in a bit
[20:51] <popey> define $fun
[20:51] <diddledan> popcorn throwing at the moaning idiots?
[20:52] <diddledan> I saw Xen posted his retirement from "helping"
[20:52] <diddledan> curiously it was almost immediately after Zeljan stopped talking on the Ubuntu Podcast telegram
[20:53] <diddledan> my mind correlated those events
[21:55] <diddledan> dear god spammers will try anything: "Get your WikiPedia Page at 85% off"
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> as george carlin said, think of the average intelligence and remember that 50% are dumber than that and they'll get loads of clicks...
[22:00] <brobostigon> if like myself and my father you have an average IQ 154, thats a standaard.
[22:01] <brobostigon> betweem us, i mean.
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> yes but as you age your gullibility goes up...
[22:06] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: if your my father, his enginerring creativity ideas goes up, but the logic goes downhill.
[22:10] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: or when he has studied nuclear physics and worked at sellafield, and you wonder why he doesnt understand the basics of quantum mechanics.
[22:11] <diddledan> there's a reason they call quantum things such names as "spooky action at a distance" - specifically because NOBODY understands it
[22:13] <diddledan> see with that particular one, it kinda breaks the rule that information cannot travel faster than light, because if you move the entangled pair apart far enough you can use it for instantaneous data transfer faster than light can travel
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> wormholes... :-)
[22:14] <brobostigon> thats exactly the point, they are entangled, time and space is irrelivant.
[22:15] <diddledan> it will be interesting when we actually start using such methods for communication - imagine being on mars with a data link to earth with zero latency beyond the normal internetty style latencies
[22:16] <brobostigon> one could be one side of the universe and the other totally the opposite side, space and time doesnt matter for thst entanglement.
[22:17] <diddledan> I love the ideas that such properties can enable
[22:17] <brobostigon> diddledan: i dont think we can manipulate quantum particles on those fine scales with that accuracy yet.
[22:18] <diddledan> I don't suppose we can, but imagine it when we develop those skills!
[22:19] <diddledan> we'll probably be close to large scale fusion at that point, too :-p
[22:20] <brobostigon> i read about quantum mechanics when i was a teenager and i couldnt help but be consume by the idea, it seemed perfectly right for my teenage autie mind,
[22:20] <diddledan> :-)
[22:20] <brobostigon> now that would be good, :)
[22:21] <brobostigon> diddledan: i was one of those people, when i had physics lessons, i corrected my physics teacher during lessons.
[22:22] <diddledan> I did that, too
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> it might have it's downsides... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days
[22:22] <daftykins> Mass Effect had entangled communication devices :> that was fun
[22:23] <brobostigon> diddledan: and i still do it now, when people get it wildly wrong.
[22:24] <diddledan> he wouldn't agree with me when I told him that mains voltage in the uk is specced to operate closer to 230 than 240 for interoperability with the European providers (although these days we seem to be hovering at around 246 where I am in Amazingstoke)
[22:25] <daftykins> how's that vary throughout the day?
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> i once argued with a teacher who insisted that sunday was the start of the week for over an hour... was super popular with rest of the class as no one had the homework done for that day :-)
[22:26] <diddledan> lol
[22:27] <diddledan> it doesn't tend to drop below 240, but it'll vary a few V either way depending on load. I've seen it pop over 254 before at which point my UPS goes into AVR mode
[22:27] <daftykins> i have a client who sets their Outlook calendar like that, insanity
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> i couldn't let it pass when he tried to pass off that nonsense as the truth...
[22:27] <diddledan> "my arbitrary decision has no more or less relevance than yours" :-p
[22:28] <diddledan> I vote Wednesday as the start!
[22:29] <daftykins> my UPS currently states over 77 million volts
[22:29] <daftykins> ace software
[22:29] <diddledan> hmm, what have you got it plugged into?!
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> except that in uk and ireland monday is the legal definition. in astronomy too for record keeping
[22:30] <diddledan> did you pull the undersea cable and shove it directly into your UPS??!
[22:30] <daftykins> a big cable snaking across to Cape de la Hague power station ;D
[22:45] <daftykins> ah there we go, 246 - 248
[22:46] <diddledan> one to snap? https://www.myabandonware.com/game/blade-runner-a43
[22:46] <diddledan> I should probably get a graphing thing plugged into my ups and see the overall trends
[23:00] <daftykins> i wonder if it has all the original video sequences


[22:14] <cryptodan_laptop> Good evening, and I would like to let you all know that I have received my Masters of Science in Cyber Forensics
[22:19] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[22:34] <cryptodan_laptop> thank you


[17:00] <Tiber> hello
[17:02] <Tiber> is there something that i need to modify because i'm trying change sata mode to enhanced, but if i change then i get "no bootable devices"
[17:37] <tomreyn> Tiber: this is a matter of mainboard, sata controller and bios configuration. it is only indirectly related to Lubuntu
[17:38] <tomreyn> Tiber: my guess is that you want to set SATA Mode to AHCI.
[21:16] <Tiber> tomreyn, that is what i want. My bios got only few options to change
[21:17] <Tiber> should i make something to lubuntu or i got ubuntu mate
[21:19] <Tiber> why it isn't working?
[21:56] <tomreyn> Tiber: it's entirely your choice which ubuntu flavor you'll install, and i can't make a recommendation. if your system fails to boot with some settings but not others, then i'd say it has to do with these settings and/or the firmware
[22:03] <Tiber> firmware is up to date, but can't get work on enhanced mode "no bootable devices"


[06:10] <didrocks> good morning
[06:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:27] <duflu> Hi didrocks and oSoMoN
[06:27] <duflu> Back later
[06:32] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:42] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:19] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:19] <duflu> And too late
[07:26] <duflu> Heh
[07:26] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:40] <oSoMoN> jamesh, you said last week you'd put in an update on https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/769
[08:40] <oSoMoN> diddledani, re bug #1970594, did you want to submit your suggested changes to get rid of the bashisms in xdg-settings to the upstream project, or shall I do it on your behalf?
[08:41] <diddledani> oSoMoN: I can do it if you like. Do you have their url handy?
[08:41] <oSoMoN> (I can then cherry-pick the proposed change in Ubuntu and SRU it to jammy)
[08:42] <oSoMoN> diddledani, the upstream issue is https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/-/issues/10,
[08:42] <diddledani> thanks
[08:42] <oSoMoN> thank you!
[08:48] <oSoMoN> Wimpy, hey, can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1593407/comments/6 ? That looks bad, if it is indeed not working at all.
[09:01] <diddledani> oSoMoN: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/-/merge_requests/52
[09:02] <diddledani> I used the wrong sign-off email 🤦🏻♀
[09:02] <diddledani> should used @ubuntu.com
[09:03] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[09:07] <diddledani> damn, LP can't read the upstream issue url I added
[09:35] <oSoMoN> diddledani, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/1.1.3-4.1ubuntu2
[09:38] <diddledani> nice. that was quick, oSoMoN
[09:56] <diddledani> if ya'll give me a job I'll be able to be helpful more ;-p
[09:56]  * diddledani awaits testing results
[09:57] <diddledani> psychometrics are harder than the general intelligence test
[09:58] <diddledani> I really struggle with psychometric questions that I feel equal affinity with all the options presented so I have to arbitrarily pick one for "most like" and "least like" me
[09:59] <rs2009> hi everyone, was wondering if any of the old nux docs are still online (found a few IRC meetings logs related to Nux on the Ubuntu Wiki, but couldn't find anything else related)
[11:27] <diddledani> rs2009: I think most of that is completely gone - you might be able to find someone in Canonical who has access to things that aren't public any more but I doubt its still around. There is https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jaytaoko/nux/nux-samples/files/head:/src for a couple usage examples, but that's all I can find publically.
[11:28] <rs2009> diddledani: ah, thanks
[11:36] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel tags 1779886 Jonathan Carter upstream/50 * https://deb.li/3uqL7
[12:05] <diddledani> @oSoMoN does LP: #1967963 need updating with your findings?
[12:05] <diddledani> ... or maybe linked or duplicating the LP: #1970594 that has the xdg-utils association
[21:55] <KGB-0> system-config-printer ubuntu/master a8b851a Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/ changelog rules * debian/rules: Refresh the .pot file when building * https://deb.li/rU0g