[00:45] <thor77> hey, im trying to run postfix, it works very good, but i get this message sometimes "warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: .
[00:45] <thor77> "
[00:45] <thor77> whats wrong?
[02:02] <FreezingCold> Can't seem to create a debootstrap install as a user
[02:02] <FreezingCold> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/user/fakeroot-x64 mount -t proc proc /proc
[02:02] <FreezingCold> fakechroot fakeroot debootstrap --variant=fakechroot lucid ~/ubuntu-lucid-fakeroot-x64/ http://mirror.its.dal.ca/ubuntu/
[03:59] <sarnold> FreezingCold: the chroot(2) syscall requires root privileges
[04:00] <FreezingCold> sarnold: Thanks for not reading at all.
[04:00] <sarnold> FreezingCold: that may explain your failure...
[04:00] <FreezingCold> Of course that's why it's failing, that IS the problem.....
[04:00] <FreezingCold> fakechroot fakeroot is supposed to fix that
[04:02] <stgraber> FreezingCold: while fakechroot will fake the chroot call for you as an unprivileged user, it will still not let you do mounts
[04:02]  * FreezingCold sighs
[04:02] <sarnold> evening stgraber :)
[04:02] <stgraber> hey sarnold
[04:03] <FreezingCold> stgraber: You're mixing up fakechroot and fakeroot.
[04:03] <stgraber> FreezingCold: I'm not. fakechroot will let you do chroot() as an unprivileged user, fakeroot will let you write files as other uids/gids than yourselves, neither will let you do mount table changes as an unprivileged user
[04:04] <FreezingCold> So why is this magically a new thing?
[04:04] <FreezingCold> debootstrap definitely has *TONS* of reports of working perfectly with fakechroot fakeroot as a user
[04:10] <stgraber> hmm, so looks like the mount issue is supposed to be worked around by fakechroot by ignoring the mount and letting you see the real /proc. The problem I see here when trying with lucid on trusty is that lucid's simply too old.
[04:11] <stgraber> the LD_PRELOAD set by fakechroot requires a recent version of the C library which lucid simply doesn't have
[04:13] <stgraber> precise on trusty works fine
[04:16] <stgraber> fakechroot requires a libc >= 2.14. so precise is as old as you can run (since 2.14 was never shipped by Ubuntu and the closest thing is 2.15 in precise)
[10:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:42] <thor77> what does this "warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: ." message in mail.log from postfix mean?
[10:43] <bekks> That your hostname contains a . where it shouldnt be.
[10:44] <thor77> http://pastie.org/private/damb65x7gg9v7lidqhrqrq
[10:44] <thor77> i dont see the misstake
[10:49] <thor77> or should i use $mydomain for "myhostname="?
[11:56] <bekks> thor77: whats the hostname of your machine?
[11:56] <thor77> bekks: fire.crapwa.re
[11:58] <bekks> Then you does your config does not contain it?
[11:58] <thor77> bekks: i replaced crapwa.re with domain.tld in the paste
[11:59] <bekks> Which makes the pastebin useless.
[11:59] <thor77> why?
[11:59] <thor77> where's the difference between abc.domain.tld and fire.crapwa.re?
[12:02] <thor77> so... where should i place my hostname in the config?
[14:38] <smallfoot-> If I run Ubuntu on Microsoft's Azure cloud, will I have to do any maintenance and package updates myself or will that all be handled automatically for free?
[14:49] <smallfoot-> When you run Ubuntu on Azure, is it as IaaS or PaaS ?
[15:22] <bekks> MS Azure is a SAAS provider.
[15:46] <smallfoot-> bekks, no I don't believe Azure does SaaS. My understanding is that Azure primarily does PaaS (their own offerings) and secondarily IaaS (third-party offerings)
[15:51] <bekks> smallfoot-: At least Wikipedia states that Azure is a SAAS provider :)
[16:06] <smallfoot-> " It provides both PaaS and IaaS services and supports many different programming languages, tools and frameworks, including both Microsoft-specific and third-party "
[16:06] <smallfoot-> *nowhere* on the Wikipedia article does it mention SaaS
[16:29] <Patrickdk> heh, even if azure did saas, running ubuntu in azure is so not saas
[16:48] <smallfoot-> right
[16:48] <smallfoot-> If you want to run a unattended server, is it better go with Ubuntu Server or CentOS?
[16:49] <smallfoot-> Maybe I should go with CentOS, they are more professional and don't live in the dream world where they will make it on tablet and smartphones lol
[16:53] <andol> smallfoot-: To that question, what answer do you really expect in a channel named #ubuntu-server? :)
[17:05] <smallfoot-> true
[17:07] <Patrickdk> heh? centos doesn't live in anyworld
[17:08] <Patrickdk> they have no dreams or ambissions
[17:08] <Patrickdk> they *just* feed off redhat
[17:08] <Patrickdk> I wonder if their *security patching* is fixed yet, or not
[17:13] <smallfoot-> oh, CentOS is bad at security patching?
[17:13] <Patrickdk> it used to lag a month+ behind
[17:13] <Patrickdk> since rhel has taken them in, I haven't been keeping track
[17:13] <Patrickdk> centos is only *maintained* by 2 people
[17:13] <Patrickdk> only so much they can do
[17:14] <smallfoot-> oh, i see
[17:14] <smallfoot-> I didn't know it was that bad
[20:30] <squisher> rbasak, hey, finally got around to fixing the bcache repo, but I can't push because there's a remote hook that rejects non-fast-forward updates :-\
[20:31] <squisher> jamespage, ^ what's the best way to resolve that?


[02:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: Sorry, but filing a bug report against a source package is an improper way to communicate a website issue or an issue with an official flavor. Please seek proper channels, and if you don't know, please ask. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/2030798/comments/2
[17:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Launchpad bug 2030798 in cinnamon (Ubuntu) "Not clear ubuntu cinnamon download" [Undecided, Invalid]
[18:28] <oerheks> Eickmeyer, thank you for your answer, i understand what i did wrong.


 :-P
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> ... or at least till i find a nicer colour...
[21:04] <daftykins> snake is calling you
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> no apps in opera app store for nokia 3310 2017... not good
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> i was hoping since they included opera mini and whatsapp app that it would take more java apps...
[21:10] <daftykins> ;)
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> coz i like my ereader (albite) and google maps with street view and a few others would be nice to blow peoples minds... :-)
[21:12] <daftykins> *pow*
[21:12] <daftykins> no street view here
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> especially when they see how much easier street view was to use on my old nokia 301 with the hardware buttons
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> *302
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> google banned from streetviewing the place or didn't bother... you could always do a sheepview like the ?faroes
[21:17] <daftykins> they came over, the chavs slashed their tires, then i think the local gov told them not to release it
[22:23] <daftykins> wow expansys.com won't touch consumers anymore
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> well they've been driving off customers for years...
[22:27] <daftykins> oh?
[22:27] <daftykins> was quite a good source for VAT free handsets shipped to the Channel rocks
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> _was_
[22:27] <daftykins> ooh-err OpenVPN server security vulnerability
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> in last few years i saw more and more complaints about them on any news story that popped up about them
[22:28] <daftykins> ah
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> that vpn thing must be why vpn just got a patch on my distro...
[22:31] <daftykins> could be!
[22:32] <daftykins> time for bed, toodles \o
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[22:34]  * zmoylan-pi moseys off for a shower...


[10:12] <mup> PR operator#805 opened: Use --file for relation-set, so we avoid shell argument length limits <Created by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/805>
[14:20] <mup> Issue operator#806 opened: Disappearing hook deferral problem <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/806>
[17:34] <mup> Issue operator#807 opened: app.planned_units does not filter dying units <Created by dshcherb> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/807>


[01:47] <meta-coder> Will Precise fit on a CD???
[01:48] <pangolin> my semi educated guess is yes.
[01:50] <Ian_Corne> no
[01:50] <pangolin> according to?
[01:51] <meta-coder> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-dvd-image ??
[01:53] <pangolin> I'll wait until Canonical actually announces it to believe it.
[01:53] <pangolin> for now I still believe Ubuntu will fit on one cd
[01:55] <meta-coder> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxMTM
[01:56] <meta-coder> "There was some unofficial talk of ConnMan (the networking component developed by Intel for Moblin/MeeGo) to replace NetworkManager on the Unity desktop"
[02:43] <bjsnider> meta-coder, view anything you read on that site with some healthy skepticism
[02:44] <meta-coder> bjsnider, ok :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> I ran a release upgrade -d but got repos errors ansd some message about my internet connection being faulty , guess it's a bit soon for testing
[13:44] <BluesKaj> no actitvity , so it must be too soon for testing :)
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel> so, my ~4yo laptop died a couple of weeks ago
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel> got a new Sony Vaio 11.6" with Intel GPU last nigh
[17:04] <FernandoMiguel> booting from the SSD over USB.... everything works except brightness controls.... HALP!
[17:06] <penguin42> meh, brightness controls never work....
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: 1st time for me
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> where do I echo values to get this half?
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> don't want to go any more blinf
[17:07] <FernandoMiguel> *blind
[17:09] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I think Sony have a tendency to do stuff there own way
[17:09] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[17:09] <FernandoMiguel> any package I need?
[17:09] <FernandoMiguel> or some hammer?
[17:11] <yofel> first time I hear that's broken for an intel card o.O
[17:12] <FernandoMiguel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SonyVaioBrightness
[17:12] <penguin42> but I don't think the brightness is controlled from the card?
[17:12] <yofel> well, the driver then
[17:12] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: this is not a clean install
[17:12] <FernandoMiguel> this SSD has been on a nvidia, ati and now this intel gpu laptop
[17:12] <FernandoMiguel> llololol
[17:13] <penguin42> yofel: I'm not sure it is actually the graphics driver
[17:13] <yofel> well, on my notebook, nouveau has no problems with brightness control, only the proprietary driver does
[17:13] <FernandoMiguel> its marvelous it Just works
[17:13] <yofel> you need to manually enable it there
[17:13] <FernandoMiguel> "In order to adjust the brightness of a Sony VAIO laptop, the sonypi module needs to be loaded into the kernel."
[17:14] <FernandoMiguel> but I can't find anything for that :(
[17:16] <FernandoMiguel> HALP
[17:19] <FernandoMiguel> https://code.google.com/p/vaio-f11-linux/wiki/KernelSupport
[17:23] <penguin42> ACPI evilness
[17:27] <FernandoMiguel> back to windows.... ill test this later
[17:27] <FernandoMiguel> but I can't use this at max bright
[20:17] <Ian_Corne> anyone know anything abount exfat?
[20:17] <Ian_Corne> or fatex
[20:27] <yofel> wasn't exfat that new windows filesystem?
[20:35] <Ian_Corne> yes
[20:36] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, there's a ppa for it
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> yeah got that
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> trying it now
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> fglrx is still broken on my system :(


[12:38] <Amaranth> are the daily images for omap4 working?
[12:38] <ogra_> should, yes
[12:38]  * ogra_ hasnt tested any graphical ones recently, only headless
[12:40] <Amaranth> ogra_: ah, that's the part I'm worried about, linaro images apparently don't turn on the display
[12:41] <ogra_> the ubuntu ubuntu-netbook ones do
[12:41] <ogra_> just use these
[12:41] <Amaranth> Yeah, I'm getting the one from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/ now
[12:43] <ogra_> that should be fine, if you have probs with it, the alpha-3 one definitely works and was tested
[12:43] <ogra_> (see topic for url)
[14:20] <davidgiluk> for those interested, there is a an ARM porting Jam on #linaro this time every week; it's not too busy but if anyone knows of particularly pesky ARM only bugs or if anyone needs help with ARM tools/porting, please come and ask
[14:20] <ogra_> davidgiluk, yes, we all get the gcal notifications ;)
[14:21] <davidgiluk> ogra_: I assumed those in this channel weren't all on these lists
[14:21] <ogra_> davidgiluk, but nobody will fix bug 739374 for me anyway :P
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 739374 in eglibc "eglibc newer than 2.12.1 in natty results in alignment errors, SIGLILL and segfaults on tegra2 systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739374
[14:21]  * davidgiluk looks
[14:23] <davidgiluk> ogra_: Youch, that's a nasty errata
[14:23] <ogra_> yes
[14:23] <ogra_> and no real fix for libc
[14:23] <ogra_> that indeed wont help to get nvidia on board with linaro ever
[14:24] <ogra_> (or with ubuntu)
[14:24] <davidgiluk> ogra_: Is the details of that errata public?
[14:25] <ogra_> well, the kernel code as well as bionic are public ... not sure what else you need
[14:25] <ogra_> i doubt nvidia released anything with more details
[14:25] <davidgiluk> ogra_: So what's the problem exactly - bit 20 always reads in one way or do you get junk out?
[14:26] <ogra_> i cant boot :)
[14:26] <ogra_> nor can i chroot
[14:27] <ogra_> so its a bit hard to debug at all
[14:27] <ogra_> chrooting immediately segfaults, booting dies very early with alignment errors and SIGILLs
[14:28] <ogra_> currently i use the natty libc pinned in apt to have a working system at all
[14:28] <ogra_> and i have no idea how to debug such early userspace issues
[14:30] <davidgiluk> ogra_: I'd probably start with a statically build busybox
[14:31] <ogra_> right, if i hadnt beta freeze tomorrow i would invest that time :)
[14:31]  * ogra_ uses his tegra as main work machine so its a bit hard to tinker with it
[14:32] <ogra_> given the feedback from peter it seems like a pretty desparate issue anyway
[14:35] <davidgiluk> ogra_: I mailed Gary King of Nvidia who did that patch to ask if he can give any more detail on the failure mode
[14:36] <ogra_> sweet ! why didnt i think of that !
[14:36] <davidgiluk> did you?
[14:37] <ogra_> no i didnt :)
[14:38]  * davidgiluk admits to knowing very little about TLS, but it strikes me if the failure is anything other than returning random junk then it might be possible to align the allocation - still painful, but it might actually work
[14:38] <ogra_> well, you actually need to know you are on a tegra etc
[14:38] <ogra_> that will likely be hard to do inside libc
[14:39] <davidgiluk> ogra_: Nah
[14:39] <davidgiluk> ogra_: Messy, not hard
[14:39] <ogra_> well, messy yeah
[14:39] <ogra_> :()
[14:39] <ogra_> bionic just bends the headers at build time
[14:41] <davidgiluk> ogra: I'm fairly sure I saw something about some other hardware having specific TLS memory, so perhaps it's not too unusual
[14:42] <ogra_> hmm

[14:42] <davidgiluk> ogra_: Well, the bad news is that his email address bounces
[14:43] <ogra_> bah
[14:58] <davidgiluk> ogra_: I've mailed a random other Nvidia person I found in a commit log :-)
[14:58] <ogra_> heh
[14:58]  * ogra_ crosses fingers
[14:59] <ogra_> ... and goes back to bang his head against bug 736111
[14:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736111 in ubiquity "oem-config does not respect the console on serial tty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736111
[17:26] <amelim> Are there any rootfs tars of Maverick available other than the pre-install image? I tried building one with rootstock, but I'm continually running into issues of it hanging during the process.
[17:52] <lool> amelim: a) use a recent qemu-linaro, if you're not running natty, you can use the ~linaro-maintainers/tools PPA and install qemu-user-static from there b) there are alternatives solutions to rootstock I can hint at if it doesn't help
[18:02] <Amaranth> Is the preinstalled image supposed to turn on the screen before the first-run unpacking is complete or does it wait until after?
[18:03] <Amaranth> wondering if I should give this time or dig out my serial adapter
[18:04] <ogra_> natty ?
[18:04] <Amaranth> yeah
[18:04] <ogra_> do you use DVI ?
[18:04] <Amaranth> no, HDMI plugged in to the first port
[18:05] <ogra_> the current image doesnt support HDMI, only DVI with fixed 720p
[18:05] <Amaranth> *headdesk*
[18:05] <ogra_> new kernel with a fix that works like in maverick was just uploaded today
[18:05] <ogra_> should be in by the weekend
[18:05] <ogra_> until then you need to use DVI
[18:07] <prpplague> i guess i need to check and see if they got the regulator patch included
[18:07] <Amaranth> I wouldn't have the proper adapter until the weekend anyway
[18:07] <Amaranth> I don't even own a DVI cable :P
[18:15] <GrueMaster> Amaranth: The "DVI" port uses the same signalling as the HDMI port (except audio).
[18:15] <GrueMaster> So the same cable should just work.
[18:16] <Amaranth> GrueMaster: So I can plug an HDMI cable in to it and it'll show something, just locked to 720p?
[18:16] <prpplague> Amaranth: http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/references
[18:17] <GrueMaster> yes.
[18:17] <GrueMaster> That's how I test here.
[18:17] <prpplague> Amaranth: there is a table there describing the different combinations
[18:18] <Amaranth> ok, I guess it needs a reset to know to probe for it, hope it was done with the first boot extracting :P
[18:19] <Amaranth> ooh I have an offset plymouth
[18:24] <amelim> lool: I'm on a lucid distro, if I install qemu-user-static will I need to remove any other qemu packages for rootstock to run correctly?
[18:24] <lool> amelim: We renamed various packages around since lucid; what you'll be getting is an equivalent set of features, but provided by different package names
[18:24] <lool> amelim: You might have to upgrade other packages as well, but essentially it's different package names with same contents but newer versions
[18:25] <lool> and eventually, when you upgrade to some later Ubuntu versions, you'll have the same package names provided by Ubuntu
[18:25] <lool> (these are just backports)
[18:25] <Amaranth> hmm, it seems to have rebooted and now plymouth is showing correctly, this seems promising
[18:25] <amelim> ahhhh, ok
[18:27] <Amaranth> yay it booted, thanks GrueMaster
[18:27] <GrueMaster> np.
[18:27] <ogra_> now fix compiz !
[18:27] <ogra_> :)
[18:27] <GrueMaster> Are you trying the netbook image or the headless image?
[18:27] <Amaranth> GrueMaster: netbook
[18:28] <Amaranth> ogra_: Well, I have this code that compiles and I'm pretty sure does the right things but GLES is apparently broken in mesa for sandy bridge so I haven't been able to run it
[18:28] <Amaranth> Thus getting real hardware going
[18:28] <GrueMaster> There is a bug in jasper that breaks video output after first boot.
[18:28] <ogra_> GrueMaster, hmm, how so
[18:28] <ogra_> i dropped all special casing for video stuff recently
[18:29] <ogra_> it hands through the cmdline directly now
[18:29] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Your fix hasn't landed in an image yet.
[18:29] <ogra_> hmm, it should be in headless
[18:29] <GrueMaster> As the current image is 20110321.
[18:29] <GrueMaster> Not in netbook
[18:29] <ogra_> no, indeed
[18:29] <ogra_> blame kdelibs
[18:29] <Amaranth> crap
[18:30] <Amaranth> Oh, I blame KDE for everything, don't worry
[18:30] <ogra_> heh
[18:30] <ogra_> and glib too
[18:30] <ogra_> first glib was out of sync, now kdelibs held up a lot of subsequent stuff (like compiz)
[18:30] <GrueMaster> How do you add icons to either the launcher or places in unity-2d?
[18:31] <ogra_> we should drop these crappy graphical images and just resort to headless everywhere :P
[18:31] <GrueMaster> And how does kdelibs hold up compiz?
[18:31] <ogra_> heh, compiz build depends on them
[18:31] <ogra_> no idea why
[18:31] <Amaranth> compiz pulls in _everything_
[18:31] <GrueMaster> Very odd.
[18:32] <Amaranth> kdecompat plugin (plasma stuff), kde4-window-decorator, and the kconfig compizconfig backend
[18:32] <GrueMaster> And people say they don't work with other environments...sheesh.  :P
[18:32] <Amaranth> If you need to make sure you have -dev packages for every possible GUI app you ever want to build just apt-get build-dep compiz
[18:33] <GrueMaster> So, back to my unity-2d question...
[18:33] <ogra_> no idea
[18:34] <ogra_> places should be connected to nautilus places
[18:34] <ogra_> somehow
[18:35] <GrueMaster> and that gets updated...how?
[18:35] <ogra_> so adding one in nautiluxs might show up in the launcher
[18:35] <GrueMaster> Isn't nautalis used in the une-efl?
[18:36] <Amaranth> hmm, this doesn't look like 720p
[18:36] <Amaranth> looks more like 640x480
[18:37] <GrueMaster> Amaranth: Yea, that's the jasper bug.
[18:37] <GrueMaster> You can fix it by editing the /boot/boot.script.
[18:38] <Amaranth> Don't I have to extract that from boot.scr then regenerate it?
[18:38] <GrueMaster> add "omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-32@60 omapdss.def_disp=dvi" to the bootargs, then you need to rerun mkimage on the file.
[18:39] <GrueMaster> The /boot/boot.script is a text version of the u-boot script.
[18:39] <Amaranth> might as well enable the serial console while I'm in there, in case I screw it up :)
[18:40] <GrueMaster> It is in the root partition.  After editing it, rerun "mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -d mnt/boot/boot.script boot.scr".  Then umount the second partition, and copy the boot.scr to the fitst partition.
[18:40] <ogra_> huh ?
[18:40] <ogra_> sudo flash-kernel
[18:40] <GrueMaster> Kind of a pita, but the next image should fix this.
[18:41] <ogra_> no need to run any mkimage
[18:41] <GrueMaster> ogra_: That is assuming you are already running.  oem-config has major issues on 640x480.
[18:41] <ogra_> (on the running system)
[18:41] <Amaranth> I am running
[18:41] <ogra_> ah, k
[18:41] <Amaranth> oem-config has zero issues if you know alt-button1 moves the window around :)
[18:41] <GrueMaster> My steps can be done on the desktop system.
[18:41]  * ogra_ didnt know oem-config misbehaves
[18:42] <GrueMaster> oem-config windows are designed for *x600 screen height.
[18:42] <ogra_> Amaranth, well, just edit /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel afterwards then
[18:42] <ogra_> on next reboot the new config will be used
[18:46] <Amaranth> hrm, says something is using /dev/mmcblk0p1 so it can't unmount it
[18:46] <Amaranth> but as far as I can tell the mount point is one flash-kernel is creating
[18:47] <Amaranth> But it seems to be writing things properly, just not completing umount afterward so I guess it's reboot time
[18:49] <Amaranth> dang, mode not supported, guess it's a good thing I put that serialtty bit in there
[18:50] <ogra_> well, you can always use GrueMaster's method above with your desktop PC
[18:51] <Amaranth> that's no fun :)
[18:51] <GrueMaster> No one ever said my job was fun.  :P
[18:59] <Amaranth> so with the next kernel update none of this will be needed, right?
[18:59] <ogra_> yes
[19:00] <ogra_> will behave exactly like in maverick
[19:02] <GrueMaster> Ok, figured out how to hack in the ti addons icon into unity-2d.  The method is anything but user friendly.  :(
[19:02] <GrueMaster> But it looks good.
[19:03] <ogra_> oh, for favorites ?
[19:03] <ogra_> thats trivial, there is a gconf key
[19:04] <GrueMaster> That's what I was asking about.
[19:04] <GrueMaster> Thanks.
[19:04] <ogra_> no, you asked about adding an icon to the launcher
[19:04] <ogra_> or to places
[19:04] <ogra_> nothing indicated you wanted a new favorite
[19:04] <GrueMaster> And the launcher currently has it's own list of favorites.
[19:04] <ogra_> jasper should take care post beta
[19:04] <ogra_> yeah
[19:05] <ogra_> same goes for hiding behavior
[19:05] <GrueMaster> sigh.
[19:06] <ogra_> and the method doesnt need to be user friendly, no user should use it ;)
[19:07] <GrueMaster> No user would ever want to add their own favorite app to the favorites?
[19:08] <GrueMaster> You're kidding, right?
[19:08] <ogra_> not programmatically
[19:09] <ogra_> drag and drop is implemented in the latest upload afaik
[19:09] <GrueMaster> Nope.  I'm running unity-2d daily.
[19:09] <GrueMaster> For Maverick.
[19:09] <ogra_> users will never have to fiddle with the gconf system default
[19:09] <ogra_> maverick ...
[19:09] <GrueMaster> Well, until D&D works...
[19:09] <ogra_> it makes use of unity features for that afaik
[19:10] <ogra_> so needs natty
[19:10] <GrueMaster> The unity-2d is from the ppa.
[19:10] <ogra_> but not the unity :)
[19:10] <ogra_> it uses the dash backend afaik
[19:12] <lool> ogra_: I thikn you can close multiple bugs with LP: #123, #456
[19:13] <ogra_> lool, but that wouldnt give me the ascii art :)
[19:13] <lool> it would give you a different one
[19:14] <ogra_> yeah
[19:14] <ogra_> i'll use it next time or teach upstream about using dch


[02:19] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso is corrupt on the mirror and won't install. pass it on
[02:19] <darthrobot> Content type: [application/x-iso9660-image] Size: [1017118720]
[02:22] <nhaines> Is it?
[02:23] <DonkeyHotei> yep
[02:23] <nhaines> It was fine on 17 April.
[02:23] <nhaines> What do you mean by "on the mirror?"  Ubuntu has hundreds.
[02:24]  * ianorlin thinks there was a mirror with skynet in its name
[02:24] <DonkeyHotei> sha256sum for the iso matches but the md5sum.txt entry for ./casper/filesystem.squashfs doesn't, and while installing, there is a zlib error reading squashfs
[02:25] <DonkeyHotei> and by on the mirror i mean at the above url
[02:25] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: ^
[02:27] <nhaines> Not sure that counts as a mirror.  Well, I'll test it, and I'll try and see if I can figure out who handles this.  If pleia2 doesn't show up first.
[02:30] <DonkeyHotei> now doing a netinstall instead in the meantime
[02:31] <nhaines> Sounds like a good start.
[02:32] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: did you md5sum your disc?
[02:33] <DonkeyHotei> i sha256sum'd it
[02:33] <nhaines> The install media you created?
[02:34] <DonkeyHotei> i did not create install media, this was on flash
[02:34] <ianorlin> might be bug in startupdisk creator
[02:34] <nhaines> Any medium prepared to boot from to install Ubuntu is install media.
[02:35] <DonkeyHotei> the ubuntu startup disc creator refused to take the iso because of the md5sum mismatch, so i used unetbootin, and upon trying to install, it found the mismatched file corrupt
[02:35] <ianorlin> try a torrent download?
[02:35] <DonkeyHotei> *disk
[02:35] <nhaines> Then something's wrong, because I did it several times over the weekend.
[02:36] <nhaines> Do a zsync download.  It should be very quick.
[02:36] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: the sha256sum for the iso matched
[02:36] <DonkeyHotei> but the sha256sum matched
[02:36] <nhaines> check the md5sum.
[02:36] <DonkeyHotei> of the iso?
[02:36] <nhaines> For a start, yes.
[02:39] <DonkeyHotei> matches
[02:40] <nhaines> I'm about 2/3rds through an install at the moment.
[02:40] <nhaines> I'm almost certain we did a 32-bit install Saturday but I wasn't the one assisting.
[02:40] <ianorlin> yeah there was defintely someone with a 32 bit there
[02:41] <nhaines> ianorlin: two, but I think only one did an install.
[02:42] <ianorlin> yeah the other one had already installed mint with cinnamon and wanted something for vector graphics installed
[02:46] <ianorlin> also why did mint remove the mark all updates in synaptic
[02:48] <nhaines> Dunno.  Mint does some really weird (and in my opinion dubious) things in terms of updates.
[02:49] <nhaines> Well, my i386 install is just cleaning up packages now.
[02:49] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: congrats!  You discovered you have a bad flash drive.
[02:49] <rww> because they think not all Ubuntu updates are reliable
[02:49] <nhaines> rww: too bad the the result turns out to be "well, guess no one can have updates then!"
[02:49] <rww> it's all very silly
[02:50] <rww> i mean, they're right, but the alternative is worse
[02:50] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: the iso has a corrupt file
[02:50] <nhaines> I haven't seen updates be *that* unreliable.  But yeah, they take a sub-optimal situation and make it worse.
[02:50]  * rww hums and downloads the x86 iso to mount it and test this
[02:53] <DonkeyHotei> i'm md5sum'ing it now
[02:54] <nhaines> Install finished successfully with no errors.
[02:54] <nhaines> I'm going to start md5summing ./casper/filesystem.squashfs
[02:54] <DonkeyHotei> odd, it matched
[02:55] <DonkeyHotei> are flash problems that consistent? i tried this over and over
[02:55] <nhaines> They can be.  The main symptom is that they're unpredictable.
[02:56] <nhaines> Or as I sometimes would explain to customers on the phone, "You're asking a potentially damaged device whether or not it is damaged."
[02:56] <nhaines> Yup, my copy's md5sum matches too.
[02:57] <nhaines> pleia2: emergency is cancelled.  :)
[02:57] <DonkeyHotei> now try the usb startup disk creator
[02:57] <nhaines> I did on Saturday.  Worked great.
[02:57] <DonkeyHotei> with that iso?
[02:57] <nhaines> Sold the resultant, working USB stick for $20.  \o/
[02:58] <nhaines> Yup, same file, same computer.
[02:58] <DonkeyHotei> well, now i know my most capacious flash drive is faulty
[02:59] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: all things considered, it's one of the better ways to find out.
[02:59] <DonkeyHotei> good thing i didn't actually buy it, was one of those trade show things
[03:00] <nhaines> Oh, *those* go all the time.
[03:00] <DonkeyHotei> probably from arm tech con in 2012
[03:00] <nhaines> Typically they are made in China for as little money as possible.
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> i once had a 128MB one die completely, probably a loose connection
[03:02] <nhaines> My awesome and cute orange Ubuntu USB drive I got at SCALE from jcastro three years back died within hours.
[03:14] <pleia2> ah, corrupt usb fun :)
[03:18] <DonkeyHotei> there was a gtk netinstaller for a while, what happened to that?
[03:18] <rww> the framebuffer one? Debian still has it, in the boot menu thing
[03:19] <DonkeyHotei> no, it looked like the normal installer
[03:19] <nhaines> I like the text installer.  It makes me nostalgic.
[03:20] <DonkeyHotei> i know, but progress marches on
[03:20] <rww> nhaines: did you deliberately share that photo of meat with me? i got a notification about it
[03:21] <rww> instead of normal posts which just show up
[03:21] <nhaines> rww: no, Google probably just thinks I'm really important.
[03:21] <rww> ah
[03:21] <rww> i imagined you sitting there giggling. "muhahahaha, this picture involves meat, i will share it with rww because he is vegetarian"
[03:21] <rww> it was amusing, i'm going to pretend it happened
[03:21] <nhaines> I didn't know or care.  :)
[03:22] <nhaines> Although G+ did add the "cooking" hashtag.
[03:22] <rww> also, i already told you to stop pretending to be jono ;(
[03:22] <nhaines> bahaha
[03:22] <nhaines> Well, this isn't really the smoking kind of barbecue he does.
[03:26] <nhaines> pleia2: so the good news is that Canonical is ready to wire me pizza money for the installfest.
[03:27] <nhaines> But the bad news is that my bank doesn't accept international wire transfers.  :P
[03:27] <rww> did that report on use of community funds ever get released
[03:27] <rww> jono was all "this week!" and then quit
[03:27] <nhaines> Nope.  And jono is probably preoccupied.
[03:27] <rww> lol
[03:28] <nhaines> rww: sounds like tomorrow's OMGUbuntu headline.
[03:28] <rww> headcannon: jono quit because he found out sabdfl has been using the community fund to buy bitcoins
[03:28] <nhaines> UBUNTU COMMUNITY MANAGER QUITS OVER FUNDS MISAPPROPRIATION
[03:28] <nhaines> Article: "These things are totally unrelated and probalby a coincidence.  Here's a little about both."
[03:29] <nhaines> rww: I sold a thumbdrive for bitcoin and the price went up.
[03:29] <DonkeyHotei> banks that do accept international wire transfers typically charge around $35 to receive them
[03:30] <nhaines> That's fine.  My bank doesn't charge anything.
[03:30] <rww> lol
[03:30] <rww> nhaines: how much is it?
[03:30] <rww> oh wait actually nvm, my bank fees
[03:31] <rww> i was gonna send it to you as bitcoins :P
[03:31] <nhaines> lol
[03:31] <nhaines> 0.03824 BTC was $20, now $21.41.
[03:31] <nhaines> Which coincidentally wipes out the transaction fee for the one I sold via credit card.
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[20:05] <DonkeyHotei> MarkDude: are you applying?
[20:14] <MarkDude> Spanish requirement- otherwise I would have done so
[20:15] <MarkDude> Really cool group tho. Once they get their hire- I would like to work with them on projects


[00:05] <racarr> not today!
[01:04] <desrt> RAOF: hi
[01:05] <RAOF> desrt: Yo!
[01:05] <RAOF> racarr and I were just talking about what sort of input events would make clients most happy, and we thought you'd have useful input.
[01:06] <desrt> what sort as in what different types or as in what sort of delivery mechanism?
[01:07] <RAOF> Specifically - what type of key events. Whether you want something like "<menu>down, <menu>up, <e>down, <e>up, <shift>down, <'>down, <'>up, <shift>up" or "ë"
[01:08] <desrt> for compose sequences...
[01:08] <RAOF> For keyboard(ish) events.
[01:09] <desrt> that's sort of tricky
[01:09] <RAOF> Compose sequences being an obvious edge case.
[01:09] <desrt> because there are things like games that are basically going to want the keyboard in raw mode
[01:09] <RAOF> Yeah, I'm thinking that there are actually two modes here.
[01:09] <desrt> so here's a more interesting question then: how do you imagine input methods will work?
[01:09] <desrt> so here's a more interesting question then: how do you imagine input methods will work?
[01:10] <desrt> because the compose key is basically like the ultimate poormans input method, really
[01:10] <RAOF> Indeed
[01:10] <desrt> is the IM in the display server?  separate process?  plugin-based?
[01:10] <desrt> figure out the answer to these questions and the rest will be pretty obvious...
[01:11] <RAOF> The IM is a problem for the shell. Which means the IM does *not* need to consume these events.
[01:11] <desrt> what i mean is that the interface between the display server and the toolkit needs to be designed with attention given to where the IM is
[01:12] <desrt> if the IM is in the shell then you want the toolkit seeing what happens _after_ the IM
[01:12] <desrt> ie: send unicode
[01:12] <desrt> and then i see compose as just a special case of that
[01:12] <desrt> keeping in mind, of course, some clients will want a bypass
[01:13] <RAOF> Yeah. But the common case is just seeing a stream of characters.
[01:13] <RAOF> No, that's not quite true; things care about more than the character stream (hello, keyboard shortcuts!)
[01:14] <desrt> i think keyboard shortcuts should probably work by way of explicit registration
[01:14] <desrt> although a lot of toolkits would probably get quite annoyed by that
[01:14] <desrt> since they don't internally work that way
[01:14] <RAOF> That would be particularly pleasant.
[01:15] <RAOF> Right.
[01:15] <desrt> but when you really think about it, it would solve a lot of annoying issues
[01:15] <RAOF> *Global* keyboard shortcuts have to be explicitly registered; you think that app-local shortcuts should be too? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
[01:16] <desrt> yes.
[01:17] <RAOF> Hm. What about shortcut-highlighting on holding <Alt>?
[01:17] <desrt> that's just a modifier watch
[01:18] <desrt> (again, you'd want an explicit subscribe to receive those)
[01:18] <desrt> i guess an interesting question is what happens to ctrl+s when nothing at all is watching for it
[01:18] <desrt> do you drop it?  do you deliver it to the focused window as a last resort?
[01:18] <RAOF> ie: do we emit an 's'?
[01:18] <desrt> no.  never that.
[01:18] <desrt> at least not without the modifier also being on it
[01:19] <desrt> this would also be kinda convenient for toolkits that want to handle this stuff themselves
[01:19] <desrt> maybe explicit (local) shortcut registration is dumb
[01:20] <desrt> but i think i prefer viewing the input stream more as a sequence of user intents rather than raw hardware events
[01:20] <RAOF> Yeah, that would be great.
[01:20] <desrt> the extreme example of this is receiving touch gestures
[01:20] <desrt> which we obviously plan on doing....
[01:21] <desrt> from my gaction-based world i think it would be kinda neat to tell the system that <ctrl>s means 'win.save'
[01:21] <RAOF> Right. (In addition to allowing clients access to raw touch sequences if they want,) We need to emit some form of intent event there.
[01:21] <desrt> and have that action invoked
[01:22] <desrt> that's how you do it now in gtk apps, but it's gtk that's doing the decoding of <ctrl>s
[01:22] <desrt> i dunno
[01:22] <desrt> obviously the API is more important than the interaction of the toolkit with the display server
[01:23] <desrt> and following existing paradigms will make your life easier for obvious reasons
[01:23] <desrt> the question is: are there any truly nasty edge cases caused by the way things are handled now?
[01:24] <desrt> fun case to imagine: save is <ctrl>Å
[01:24] <RAOF> You need to replay some events on window focus?
[01:24] <RAOF> That's kinda annoying (but not exactly terrible)
[01:24] <desrt> you mean like how the WM intercept the click events for click-to-focus and needs to retransmit them?
[01:25] <desrt> here's an interesting thought experiment, meanwhile
[01:25] <RAOF> I mean: you need to synthesise a keypress for any key that's down when the window is focused.
[01:25] <desrt> the unity menubar shows when the user holds down alt, right?
[01:25] <RAOF> This is currently the case, yes.
[01:25] <desrt> what should happen the user holds down alt when a popup menu is open?
[01:26] <desrt> should it show, or not?
[01:26] <desrt> same question applies to showing underline on alt
[01:28] <RAOF> I think the expectation is that the menubar *should* show when a popup menu is open.
[01:28] <RAOF> Or, at least, I can't think of a situation when that would be an incorrect behaviour.
[01:29] <desrt> it seems weird to me for the menu to show when a popup menu is open
[01:29] <desrt> because that implies that if i add an 'f' to my already-held-down-alt that the file menu might open
[01:29] <desrt> which i would find quite odd if a popup was already up
[01:30] <RAOF> Really?
[01:30] <RAOF> That would seem to be natural behaviour to me - the old popup is dismissed, the file menu opens.
[01:30] <desrt> i might expect the mnemonic 'f' from the popup to fire
[01:30] <desrt> like, maybe i'm pressing alt to get the underlines showing in that menu
[01:32] <RAOF> Incidentally, I'm playing around with this right now in GTK. What the hell is it doing?
[01:32] <RAOF> Hm, fair point.
[01:32] <desrt> anyway
[01:32] <RAOF> This is actually a special case of a more general problem, really.
[01:32] <desrt> that's a bit of an argument for delivering alt to windows with respect paid to focus
[01:33] <desrt> and not just using some global modifier monitor
[01:33] <desrt> but....
[01:33] <desrt> the way it works now is also very crappy
[01:33] <desrt> because even to this day i find myself getting into stupid situations where somehow a modifier gets stuck on an app
[01:34] <desrt> and i have to tap alt or ctrl or whatever to turn it off again
[01:34] <RAOF> Right.
[01:34] <desrt> so it should not be a simple press/release type of thing
[01:34] <desrt> or rather: the release should always be reliably delivered, even if the window no longer has focus when the release occurs
[01:34] <RAOF> That's one way of doing it, yes.
[01:34] <desrt> which suggests more statefulness than i think we have now
[01:35] <desrt> where the press and release are just two different events
[01:36] <desrt> anyway.... beer o'clock :)
[01:36] <RAOF> Heh. Have fun!
[01:36] <desrt> g'night
[05:18] <tvoss> RAOF, ping
[05:18] <RAOF> tvoss: Pong
[05:18] <tvoss> RAOF, just stumbled across http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_tegra_3d&num=1
[05:18] <tvoss> RAOF, did you have a chance to take a look at it?
[05:19] <RAOF> I've not taken a look at it, no.
[05:20] <RAOF> I actually *do* have a Tegra device, don't I! The N7 is a tegra, right?
[05:20] <tvoss> RAOF, might be interesting, especially as we have a lot of nexus 7 hw lying around
[05:20] <tvoss> yup
[05:21] <RAOF> Sounds like it's not _currently_ interesting though, as it doesn't actually do any 3D :)
[05:22] <tvoss> RAOF, hmmm, I thought I read that NVIDIA open-sourced the 2D drivers, too
[05:22] <RAOF> They did; the 2D driver + kms has been open-sourced for... a while? A year or so?
[05:22] <tvoss> RAOF, s/2D/3D/g
[05:25] <RAOF> Oh, yeah. The operative part of that phoronix article however is “…is basically a stub driver” and “…is enough to get Wayland running with the Weston compositor, but not with any actual output”.
[05:26] <tvoss> RAOF, :) okay, I got that impression, too
[05:26] <tvoss> jono, good morning?
[05:31]  * RAOF goes to test the mesa in-process-egl changes
[05:32] <alf_> RAOF: Are you ready (i.e. mesa) for ~raof/mir/use-dma-buf to land?
[05:36] <RAOF> alf_: Yes*
[05:36] <RAOF> *For intel.
[05:37] <alf_> RAOF: Do you mean you have just checked on intel, or that you know that e.g. radeon doesn't work?
[05:37] <RAOF> radeon and nouveau will require additional patching, which shouldn't take long, but I haven't yet done.
[05:38] <RAOF> I should probably fix them before we land dma-buf, I guess :/
[05:38] <alf_> RAOF: ok, since this will break things for me, I vote for postponing the final approval
[05:42] <RAOF> Fair enough. I'll have fixes for radeon and nouveau prepared before marking it as approved.
[05:43] <alf_> RAOF: ok, I have marked the branch as needs fixing to discourage others from merging
[05:44] <alf_> RAOF: feel free to ignore it and Approve when the mesa side has been fixed
[06:09] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:09] <RAOF> Why doesn't in-process-egl work for me.
[06:12] <RAOF> It doesn't _seem_ to be a bug mesa-side; mir_egl_native_display_is_valid(nativeDisplay) is being called on something when valid_displays is an empty unordered_set.
[07:08] <RAOF> BigWhale: You wanted to annoy some Mir developers? :)
[07:10] <BigWhale> RAOF, indeed! :)
[07:10] <BigWhale> ;)
[07:12] <BigWhale> RAOF, I'm working on Kazam screencaster which is used for capturing screen. Surprisingly. ;) Now, because I am using GStreamer and ximagesrc which is a plugin that takes care of capturing, I know already that this will not work in Mir. :) I am looking for alternatives. :)
[07:13] <BigWhale> If I got Mir specs, correctly, this will not be a trivial thing to do. With all the security restrictions.
[07:13] <RAOF> BigWhale: That's going to be the province of the Shell (ie UnityNext); I don't think we'll be offering a generic way to do that.
[07:14] <RAOF> Once everything's done it probably shouldn't be too hard; you'll just need to include MIR_CAPTURE_OUTPUT or whatever we call the requisite permission in your app manifest.
[07:14] <RAOF> Wherever those app manifests go :)
[07:16] <BigWhale> Ok.
[07:16] <RAOF> It shouldn't be terribly difficult to write a mirimagesrc once the requisite infrastructure is in place, but I've no idea when we intend to put that infrastructure in place.
[07:16] <tvoss> BigWhale, RAOF when we talked about this last time, we basically thought about the ability to add custom post processors to mir Displays (server side)
[07:17] <RAOF> tvoss: Eh, just export the framebuffer as an EGLImage.
[07:17] <tvoss> RAOF, yeah, that was the idea then :) iirc
[07:18] <BigWhale> Ideally, I'd like to have something that I'll be able to feed into GStreamer.
[07:19] <tvoss> RAOF, makes sense to file a bug at least?
[07:19] <RAOF> BigWhale: You'll likely get a dma-bufish interface, maybe an EGL stream interface; it'll be pretty easy to feed that into GStreamer.
[07:20] <RAOF> tvoss: It's probably a blueprint/series of work items.
[07:20] <tvoss> RAOF, sure, just to make sure that we have it tracked somewhere
[07:20] <BigWhale> RAOF, if I ask about an estimate, when I'll be able to start playing with this stuff, I'd be pushing it, right? :)
[07:21] <RAOF> Maybe :)
[07:21] <RAOF> BigWhale: Actually, you could probably do this yourself if you wanted. I don't think it's going to be a high priority for the Mir team.
[07:21] <BigWhale> I'd love to have Kazam ready when Mir is ready. So that people can capture the awesomeness of Mir and Unity Next. ;)
[07:22] <RAOF> Yeah, that'd be great.
[07:22] <BigWhale> RAOF, offering my help with this, was the next step, yes. :)
[07:25] <RAOF> I think it'd probably make more sense to do after the Big Display Refactor that I want to do, but I don't have an ETA for that.
[07:26] <BigWhale> I'll start with setting up the dev environment and brushing up my C skills... :>
[07:26] <RAOF> C++, actually.
[07:26] <RAOF> C++11, specifically. Much more expressive.
[07:27] <RAOF> You have such modern affordances as lambdas!
[07:27] <BigWhale> Now you gave me two heart attacks ... :>
[07:28] <BigWhale> C++11 actually makes C++ good. Well, better... :)
[07:29] <RAOF> It suffers from adding yet another mechanism for doing things to the plethora of mechanisms already available, but at least the new mechanisms are really quite nice :)
[13:53] <thiagoandrade> racarr, Spent the rest of the day yesterday downloading & compiling Mesa and then Mir. Done it and now it gives me a different error.
[13:55] <thiagoandrade> In function open_drm_device() line 118 of file gbm_display_helpers.cpp it throws an exception saying "Problem opening DRM device" and then "Operation not permitted"
[14:38] <thiagoandrade> racarr, "sudo pmap `pidof X` | grep dri.so" gives me back 4 times /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so . Does it means I need to change anything n the configure process of Mesa?
[14:38] <thiagoandrade> racarr, Used this command ./configure --disable-gallium-egl --enable-gles2 --with-egl-platforms=x11,drm,mir,wayland --enable-gbm --enable-shared-glapi --with-gallium-drivers=r300,r600
[15:04] <kdub> goood morning folks, still plowing ahead towards that fb native window type
[15:35] <alf_> status: working on introducing the mir main loop
[15:43] <thiagoandrade> kdub, Can you help  me with running Mir?
[15:43] <kdub> thiagoandrade, on android i can
[15:47] <thiagoandrade> kdub, Unfortunately I'm running on raring inside VirtualBox
[15:47] <thiagoandrade> Thanks anyway ;)
[16:02] <racarr> and ask for comment :/win goto 10
[16:02] <racarr> ...woah what was that
[16:02] <racarr> good morning
[16:22] <racarr> the keymapping interfaces I am coming up with look laughably incorrect
[16:22] <racarr> due to the duplication of droidinput::InputEvent and MirEvent
[16:22] <racarr> so I am going to rip out droidinput::InputEvent and synthesize MirEvent directly
[16:25] <racarr> thiagoandrade|af: Did not realize you were in virtual box...-.-
[16:25] <racarr> would not expect it to work inside VB atm.
[17:14] <thiagoandrade> racarr, That's a shame. I don't have a machine to spare and I'm not willing install raring and run possible unsafe code on my desktop ;(
[17:20] <kgunn> thiagoandrade: partition & dual boot
[17:20] <kgunn> ?
[17:22] <thiagoandrade> kgunn, I already have a lot of troubles with Win8 and 12.04 on dual boot. It seems like I have an ability to attract problems ;p
[17:23] <thiagoandrade> kgunn, But I'll think about it. The only downside is that I'll not be able to play with Mir on work.
[17:26] <kgunn> mmm
[19:11] <kgunn> i may have just bricked my galaxy s3 :-/
[19:23] <kdub> my poor nexus4 spends its entire life panicking about not being able to find surfaceflinger
[19:24] <kdub> kgunn, how so?
[19:52] <kgunn> back
[19:53] <kgunn> kdub: well...i loaded the CM recovery kernel...but now rebooting endlessly at splash screen
[19:53] <kgunn> kdub: i'm seeing lots of complaints about the same
[19:55] <kdub> sounds like its at least loading the kernel though, thats a good sign
[20:11] <kgunn> kdub: freaky as all get out....loaded a recovery.img....it rebooted a couple of times from the CWM screen...but now stable
[21:56] <kgunn> kdub: do you know if Thomi got glmark2 up on jenkins?
[21:56] <kdub> kgunn, don't know
[22:54] <kgunn> racarr: just checking...should someone else take on [robertcarr] Client focus notification (likely depends of notifcation work vanvugt is doing): TODO
[23:16] <kgunn> racarr: can you also move (not copy)
[23:17] <kgunn> racarr: your items in the iteration-0-mir blueprint ?
[23:17] <kgunn> racarr: and mark them as INPROGRESS rather than POSTPONED
[23:17] <kgunn> racarr: ....or...even DONE if you can land :)


[04:22] <lostson_> check this out http://ilektrojohn.github.com/creepy/
[04:23] <lostson_> might make you rethink things
[04:24] <mikeputnam> lostson_: the black background to that site really contributes to the overall creepiness
[04:24] <lostson_> lol
[04:27] <lostson_> i installed it and tried it out pretty amazing what it shows you


[00:10] <alzgh> I'm on an Ubuntu 20. I have a second disk that isn't mounted by default but when I click on it using the gui it will mount. I'd like to know what program does that and where I can find it's settings file.
[00:11] <oerheks> mount service most likely. to automount add it to your fstab
[00:12] <oerheks> find out the partitiontype, and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[00:13] <oerheks> or some more howto https://www.linuxbabe.com/desktop-linux/how-to-automount-file-systems-on-linux
[00:13] <alzgh> thanks a lot
[00:14] <alzgh> how can I check mount service?
[00:14] <alzgh> I wanted first to look into where the current behavior comes from
[00:14] <alzgh> I looked into udisk2 and the conf file for it is empty
[00:16] <oerheks> interesting you want to examine that
[00:17] <alzgh> I'm learning :D
[00:17] <alzgh> I learned about fstab while installing arch
[00:17] <alzgh> that's on a vm
[00:17] <alzgh> my main system is ubuntu and I have this disk on it from before
[00:18] <alzgh> it made me think about my main system and started digging
[04:32] <ac5tin> hi, im trying to install ubuntu server in headless mode on my NUC, does it come with ssh by default?
[04:32] <ac5tin> or i need to boot into it and install ssh first
[04:34] <theovod> Hmmm
[04:34] <theovod> sshd is installed? or running? can you check it with local access?
[04:35] <ac5tin> i havent actually installed it yet, im still waiting for balena etcher to wirte the iso lol
[04:35] <theovod> Normally on Ubuntu Server Versions sshd is Installed and Enabled by Default only Ubuntu Desktop sshd is Disabled by Default
[04:36] <ac5tin> oh ok then
[04:37] <mib_1kkcfz>  there
[04:37] <mib_1kkcfz> hi there
[04:38] <theovod> Morning
[04:39] <mib_1kkcfz> hi theovod
[04:39] <mib_1kkcfz> got a quick question here.
[04:40] <theovod> yeah?
[04:40] <mib_1kkcfz> how can i able to find the declaration of sys_readlinkat(syscall) in Kernel source.
[04:40] <mib_1kkcfz> i have tried, but it ends up in a failure.
[04:41] <theovod> So you ned to find the Searchable Linux Syscall Table?
[04:41] <mib_1kkcfz> close, but no.
[04:42] <mib_1kkcfz> let's say, sys_openat, this api, I am looking for its inline assembly code.
[06:24] <Samian> ever since I installed something yesterday, my ubuntu 20.04 has been screwing up
[06:24] <Samian> any way to return back to the state before the fuxored install?
[06:27] <TheBigK> Samian: did u purge that package already?
[06:27] <Samian> I don't think so
[06:27] <TheBigK> apt purge $package && apt autoremove --purge should remove what u installed
[06:28] <TheBigK> if u want to be exact u should check /var/log/apt/history.log
[06:28] <TheBigK> and revert exactly what has been installed
[06:29] <TheBigK> Samian: if u still find "screwing up" u need to be more specific and explain whats wrong and provide logs according to ur service or whatever is wrong
[06:31] <Samian> TheBigK:  anyway I can go back to a specific state in that log?
[06:37] <TheBigK> Samian: I don't think so... never tried...
[06:40] <Samian> k
[06:40] <Samian> I have another question
[06:40] <Samian> on ubuntu, is there an environment variable that gcc uses to find #include <  > files in c++ source code?
[06:41] <Samian>  I putting a directory in the PATH env var but it's still not seeing the header :-(
[06:42] <TheBigK> isnt g++ the c++ compiler? or am i completely out of it
[06:42] <Samian> oh yeah
[06:42] <Samian> but same question
[06:43] <TheBigK> for gcc its what in ldconfig
[06:43] <TheBigK> for c++ im not sure whats used
[06:44] <TheBigK> Samian: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35953886/include-path-directory i think that should answer what u need
[06:50] <Samian> no it didn't unforunately
[06:51] <Samian> man I'm fucked
[06:52] <TheBigK> Samian: then u need to start from the beginning. whats wrong and what do u think caused it
[07:49] <Mekaneck> Samian: also mind the language a bit please. We'd appreciate it. :)
[07:49] <Samian> sorry
[08:15] <momotaro> does flatpak work well on ubuntu if you already have snap? 20.04
[08:25] <emcy_> works well enough i think
[08:25] <emcy_> even integrated into the software app
[08:53] <Samian> is there anyway for me to see what's in stalled and what's being used in detail. For example, I think I have both Nvidia CUDA 11.1 installed and Nvidia CUDA 11.3 installed.  I think it's causing issues when building this source code
[09:06] <TitaniumSp1ke> hi :)
[09:06] <TitaniumSp1ke> on ubuntu repositories, what's the difference between <codename>-updates and <codename>-security ?
[09:11] <TitaniumSp1ke> found the documentation, thanks
[09:31] <dev4449> hi. good day.
[09:35] <dev4449> In terms of the bigness of online articles & community & learning resources, which one of these distros do you think will be at the top: ubuntu, elementary os, deepin, mint ? (only a name is enough for me)
[09:38] <jelly> dev4449, arch linux :-)
[09:39] <Samian> I did apt list --installed, and it shows I have nvidia-driver-460,  nvidia-driver-455, and nvidia-driver-450
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> !ot | dev4449
[09:39] <Samian> how can I remove 460 and activate 455 as the driver to use?
[09:41] <dev4449> taking this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:04] <Guest86> Hey all
[11:04] <Guest86> I formatted my boot, what am I doing by now ?
[11:44] <Guest86> I formatted my boot, what should I be doing by now ?
[11:46] <mgedmin> Guest86: what is your goal?
[11:47] <mgedmin> was the formatting intentional?  you break your boot and would like to recover now?
[11:47] <Guest86> I broke by accident, meant to format sdc1 instead of sda1
[11:48] <mgedmin> been there done that to my root partition once :D
[11:48] <Guest86> Oh no oooo
[11:48] <mgedmin> where was sdc1 mounted?  /?  /boot?  /boot/efi?
[11:49] <Alabalistic__> do you have your /home on a seperate partition
[11:50] <Guest86> Root is in a separate partition
[11:51] <Guest86> Sdc was a new hard drive I just bought
[11:51] <mgedmin> sorry
[11:51] <mgedmin> I meant to ask where was sda1 mounted?
[11:51] <Guest86> In sda1 my old hd
[11:52] <mgedmin> where was it mounted?  /?  /boot?  /boot/efi?
[11:53] <Guest86>  It was /boot.
[11:53] <mgedmin> ok, next question: do you use EFI or legacy boot?
[11:54] <Guest86> Legacy boot
[11:54] <mgedmin> ok
[11:54] <mgedmin> and you haven't rebooted after the accidental reformatting yet?
[11:54] <mgedmin> it shouldn't be too hard to recover
[11:55] <mgedmin> the /boot partition contains the kernel and grub
[11:55] <mgedmin> apt install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) should take care of both
[11:56] <Guest86> I’m on a bento live cd
[11:56] <mgedmin> ah, and you'll also want to update /etc/fstab because reformatting changes the filesystem's UUID
[11:56] <Guest86> Gentoo and my old hard drive had Ubuntu
[11:56] <mgedmin> hmm, a live cd? you'll want a chroot then
[11:56] <mgedmin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[11:56] <Guest86> Why is the reboot significant ?
[11:57] <mgedmin> if you hadn't rebooted, you wouldn't need to chroot
[11:57] <Guest86> I haven’t rebooted
[11:57] <Guest86> Oh ok I get you
[11:57] <mgedmin> hmm did I link to the right wiki page?
[11:57] <Guest86> I don’t think so
[11:59] <mgedmin> well, the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure part is mostly right
[11:59] <mgedmin> except /dev/sda1 is not your root, so find the right partition
[12:00] <mgedmin> on a livecd session, what you need to do is (1) mount your root on /mnt, (2) bind-mount /dev, /proc, /sys inside /mnt/, (3) mount /boot inside /mnt, (4) probably bind-mount /etc/resolv.conf on /mnt/etc/resolv.conf, (5) chroot /mnt
[12:01] <Guest86> Mgedmin ok this looks easy right ?
[12:01] <mgedmin> (6) find the latest installed kernel version with, hmm, dpkg -S /boot/
[12:01] <Guest86> Download Ubuntu live cd, chroot, find kernel version, grab it from repo with apt, fix fstab
[12:01] <mgedmin> (7) edit /etc/fstab and fix the UUID of the newly formatted /boot (find it with lsblk)
[12:02] <Guest86>  did I get it right?
[12:02] <mgedmin> (8) reinstall the kernel with apt install --reinstall linux-image-X.Y.Z-WW-generic
[12:02] <mgedmin> (9) reboot and see if it worked
[12:02] <Guest86> What sounds the Filesystem be ? Fat32?
[12:02] <mgedmin> I almost forgot step (7), that would've been annoying!  this is why it's between the two very related steps (6) and (8)
[12:03] <mgedmin> uh, /boot should be an ext4 partition
[12:03] <mgedmin> what did you format it as?
[12:03] <Guest86> Fat32
[12:03] <mgedmin> ah, then reformat please
[12:03] <Guest86> Ok
[12:03] <mgedmin> which gives you an opportunity to restore the old UUID!
[12:03] <mgedmin> which would make /etc/fstab edits unnecessary
[12:04] <mgedmin> look up the old UUID from /etc/fstab, then mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 -U olduuid
[12:04] <Guest86> Ok I know I’m being a pain but what was (6) about? Where is the count starting from?
[12:04] <Guest86> I didn’t see (5)
[12:04] <mgedmin> (5) was chroot /mnt
[12:05] <mgedmin> was it truncated?
[12:05] <mgedmin> (4) was "probably bind-mount /etc/resolv.conf on /mnt/etc/resolv.conf"
[12:05] <Guest86> Oh your good I missed it
[12:05] <mgedmin> bind-mount X on Y is mount --bind X Y
[12:06] <mgedmin> oh, sorry, step (8) is incomplete!
[12:06] <mgedmin> you also need to apt install --reinstall linux-modules-X-Y-Z-WW-generic
[12:06] <Guest86> How do I access /etc/fstab? Do I mount /dev/sda5?
[12:06] <mgedmin> yes, that was step (1)
[12:07] <Guest86> Great
[12:07] <Guest86> I must say, impressive :)
[12:07] <mgedmin> hmm, linux-modules ships only two files in /boot, a System.map-* and a config-*; neither is needed for booting
[12:08] <mgedmin> in fact they're only needed for debugging, I think?  maybe for building 3rd-party kernel modules via dkms?
[12:08] <mgedmin> this was me checking what files exist in /boot by running dpkg -S /boot/
[12:08] <mgedmin> there's also memtest86+, but meh, it's only needed if you want to do a memory test
[12:09] <mgedmin> if you had it installed, you might as well apt install --reinstall memtest86+ for completeness' sake
[12:11] <Guest86> Okay
[12:11] <Guest86> So this will at most mess up my boot again right?
[12:11] <Guest86>  Tough I can see it’s relatively simple thanks to apt
[12:12] <mgedmin> yeah, shouldn't do much damage if you don't accidentally format the wrong partition again
[12:12] <mgedmin> hmm, the kernel update will re-generate a grub.cfg
[12:12] <mgedmin> but will it restore the grub modulels in /boot/grub?
[12:13] <mgedmin> maybe it's best to grub-install /dev/sda before rebooting
[12:16] <Guest86> I’m on a gentoo live cd
[12:19] <mgedmin> the grub-install is also a command to run inside the chroot btw
[12:22] <Guest86> Ok when you say before rebooting you mean before the final reboot Into my fixed system
[12:30] <Guest86> Thanks a lot for your help mgedmin , :)
[12:33] <mrvdv> hi all
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> welcome mrvdv
[12:33] <mrvdv> Whats a good program FREE if possible, i can use that can create user accounts, and have limitations of how much storage space they can have, rules etc
[12:33] <mrvdv> instead of me manually doing adduser/useradd
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> mrvdv: as in user management from an ubuntu server?
[12:34] <mrvdv> yeah could say that but something that can be used in a web browser
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> mrvdv: you could talk to the #ubuntu-server experts if you like, maybe cockpit can do it
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> !info cockpit
[12:35] <mrvdv> thanks
[12:39] <Mrokii> Hello. Does anybody know if an XBox One PowerA wired controller works out of the box on (K)ubuntu?
[12:45] <Mrokii> or does anybdoy know an alternative to that model that would be better?
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: there is a package xboxdrv you could try out Xbox360 gamepad driver for the userspace
[12:52] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: Thanks, I'll look if I can find something about the controllers they support.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/xboxdrv.1.html
[12:56] <Mrokii> Thanks.
[12:59] <Mrokii> afk
[13:07] <Berfi> HI, can you help me please. I'd like to cut 60Hz in pulseefects but it doesen't make any effect on bluetooth speaker. All pulse moduls are installed and bluez as well. Reboot happened
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:25] <user217_> Hello. How I can manage java applications look-like in gtk desktop?
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> user217_: elaborate your end goal a bit please, so volunteers can help you better
[16:31] <user217_> lotuspsychje: I vant to run TheBrain app in dark-theme mode (it use java undercore)
[16:36] <jamea97> hi all how to find  file named swItsol.db on mtp://[usb:001,006]/Almacenamiento interno compartido/Android/data   or a directory called 'cache'
[16:38] <yates_work> does anyone know if microsoft has their own repository for (linux) teams for debian/ubuntu? i know they do for yum/rpm.
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | yates_work might know perhaps
[16:39] <yates_work> i'm running lubuntu, not windows 10
[16:40] <yates_work> lubuntu 18.04 LTS
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> yates_work: i know, but the ubuntu on windows guys might know relevant repos perhaps
[16:41] <yates_work> lotuspsychje: thanks
[16:42] <yates_work> i feel it's more fruitful to get the information directly
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> im widening your options yates_work
[16:43] <yates_work> lotuspsychje: thanks
[16:45] <yates_work> anyone else have any thoughts?
[16:49] <jeremy31> Is Lubuntu 18.04 still supported?
[16:50] <yates_work> works for me
[16:50] <jeremy31> I thought Lubuntu had 3 years support
[16:53] <yates_work> does anyone know if microsoft has their own repository for (linux) teams for debian/ubuntu? i know they do for yum/rpm.
[16:54] <yates_work> where does apt maintain its configured repos? is it under /etc somewhere?
[16:55] <phoebe4> yates_work: /etc/apt/apt.sources and /etc/apt/apt.sources.d
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: says indeed, support until april 2021 https://lubuntu.me/bionic-released/
[17:02] <yates_work> phoebe4: thank you
[17:22] <jailbreak> how can I add something to an end of a file? guessing echo?
[17:22] <mybalzitch> >>
[17:22] <mybalzitch> echo "text" >> file
[17:22] <jailbreak> ?
[17:22] <mybalzitch> or cat file >> newfile
[17:22] <jailbreak> mybalzitch, that will add to the end of the file?
[17:22] <mybalzitch> yep
[17:25] <jailbreak> well that was easy lol thanks!
[17:31] <scarletscar> Hello, I am currently trying to upgrade my ubuntu install from 16.04 to 20.04 via ssh. and i ended up on a postfix configuration screen
[17:31] <scarletscar> i can't select any of the options for my mailserver.
[17:31] <oerheks> scarletscar, use [tab]  ?
[17:31] <oerheks> and [space]
[17:32] <scarletscar> would you believe i am an idiot?
[17:32] <scarletscar> goddamn i am stupid
[17:32] <mybalzitch> <3 <3 <3
[17:32] <oerheks> scarletscar, you are not; have fun!
[17:32] <scarletscar> thanks
[17:33] <scarletscar> after the upgrade is done, i get to sort 5.2tb of video files, to figure out what files are copies.
[17:35] <oerheks> there used to be fslint, depending on python2.
[17:36] <oerheks> now it is available as snap; https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-where-is-fslint-duplicate-file-finder-for-ubuntu-20-04/
[17:54] <mrvdv> is there a web client i can use to make users have a certain amount of bandwidth or certain amount of storage space
[17:55] <morgans> Back it up, hey!
[18:11] <Walex> scarletscar: 'czkawka' or 'fdupes'
[18:12] <Walex> oerheks: so we now have the proof that snaps and other containers have the purpose to create abandonware. As if we needed it :-)
[18:19] <scarletscar> well during the upgrade i got this error
[18:19] <scarletscar> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tqq5r3QKrP/
[18:19] <scarletscar> something about pastebin
[18:20] <scarletscar> something about python i mean
[18:39] <Mekaneck> scarletscar: 16.04 to 20.04? in one go? Normally you have to upgrade to 18.04 first then to 20.04 afaik
[18:39] <scarletscar> to be utterly honest, i thought i was running 16.04 just checked and it is 18.04.
[18:39] <scarletscar> currently getting a python error.
[18:43] <scarletscar> currently running 18.04
[18:44] <vimart>  me: 20.04
[19:38] <oerheks> Walex, join the snapcrafters team to find out
[19:39] <unixbsd> hi
[19:40] <unixbsd> SWAT: hi
[19:47] <webchat47> salve a tutto il canale vorrei sapere perche con le versioni di ubuntu lemulatore wine non funziona
[19:48] <oerheks> webchat47, for wine support, join #winehq
[19:48] <oerheks> !wine
[19:49] <Walex> webchat47: I also like the "snazzy paid for" version, CrossOver, where the payments also support the development of WINE.
[19:49] <webchat47> ok
[19:51] <Walex> webchat47: in any case there should be also an italian language Ubuntu channel
[19:54] <webchat47> ho anche provato wine hq ma non funzionava anche con la versione di ubuntu 21
[19:55] <oerheks> !it
[20:13] <yates> how do you ask "apt" to report whether or not a specific package is installed?
[20:14] <fdov> you can use 'apt policy package' - maybe dpkg is easier, or the more "correct" way.
[20:14] <yates> oh that's fine - how do you do it with dpkg?
[20:15] <fdov> 'dpkg -s package'
[20:16] <fdov> You can also use 'dpkg -l package' - for a nicer view, with less info.
[20:16] <yates> thanks fdov
[20:16] <fdov> If you drop the package name, you get every installed package.
[20:18] <yates> very good!
[20:18] <yates> thanks again fdov
[21:12] <izweb> hi guys, I'm having some problems with ubuntu installation 20.04 taking ages, I believe the problem lies on the EFI-Boot configuration given I'm installing it in a USB-drive through a Macbook
[21:13] <izweb> I've done the setup (I believe correctly) of the swap/ext4 drive ... choose correctly the installation drive, however once I move fwd I get the error: "The attempt to mount a file system with type vgat in /dev/nvme0n1p1 at /boot/efi failed."
[21:13] <izweb> "/dev/nvme0n1p1" is my Mac EFI disk
[21:14] <izweb> tried minimal install, tried with/out wifi, ... checking the installation logs, ... checked the main Macbook hard-drive with DiskUtil (mac app) and everything seems good with the drive...
[21:15] <izweb> any idea what I could do? I thought on changing at the drive selection Mac's EFI drive to "not use this partition" but not sure that is recomendable
[21:17] <jeremy31> izweb: where are you telling it to install the bootloader to?
[21:19] <Bashing-om> izweb: "file system with type vgat" - is vgat a typo ?
[21:37] <EriC^^> izweb: ubuntu will be on the usb drive alone or with another OS there?
[22:29] <izweb> jeremy31  i'm telling to install the bootloader at the ext4 partition of the target drive (so... /dev/sdb2)
[22:29] <izweb> Bashing-om typo, sorry, it's vfat
[22:29] <jeremy31> izweb: tell it to install to the drive, /dev/sdb and not a partition
[22:31] <izweb> EriC^^ the idea is to have USB drive with Ubuntu, and leave MacOs X on the hard-drive, doing the installation through a ubuntu live USB. following this tutorial: https://www.florisvanbreugel.com/tutorial-ubuntu-on-a-mac
[22:32] <izweb> jeremy31ok will try it now... the tutorial which I was following https://www.florisvanbreugel.com/tutorial-ubuntu-on-a-mac was mentioning to do it at the ext4 partition
[22:32] <izweb> that s why
[22:37] <izweb> jeremy31.I still got that error: The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in /dev/nvme0n1p1 at /boot/efi failed. You may resume partitionining from the partitioning menu."
[22:37] <jeremy31> izweb: Not sure why it would even try to mount that
[22:37] <izweb> I notice that in the Partitioning menu, or drive selection, the /dev/nvme0n1p1 is choosen as Efi drive, ... I could select/tag it as a "Do not use this partition"
[22:40] <izweb> In the Installation type: I have 2 options (erase disk and install ubuntu) or (Something else), I choose (something else) then I get a list of all my disks. There I can see 3 disks (mac internal /dev/nvme0n1; target USB /dev/sdb)
[22:40] <mrvdv> is there a web client i can use to make users have a certain amount of bandwidth or certain amount of storage space?
[22:42] <izweb> @jeremy31 https://florisvanbreugel.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/install_ext4.png?w=700 so I can see that /dev/nvme0n1 has "efi" on type, I can change this
[22:47] <matsaman> mrvdv: should be, but it'd probably be a security hazard
[22:53] <Alabalistic_> mrvdv: this are options in Nextcloud
[22:53] <Alabalistic_> not realy sure what do you mean by web client
[22:55] <mrvdv> Alabalistic_ where i can connect to a port via web to add users, set limits on bandwidth/storage
[22:57] <Alabalistic_> in my understanding a web client is a browser, connecting to web servers and reading content
[22:57] <Alabalistic_> if you wanna set limits in you browser you need some kind of paranting control
[22:58] <matsaman> mrvdv: webUI I think Alabalistic_ would prefer you to say
[22:58] <matsaman> there are tons of Unix OS administration webUI systems
[22:58] <matsaman> they're all universally plagued by being security problems, IMO
[22:58] <matsaman> it would be superior if you learned how to do what you want via commands via ssh
[23:02] <h2oly> I'm sure you see this a lot.  But I've tried all the youtube videos, and can't seem to find a fix.  After the last windows 10 update, not only can I not dual boot, which the usual fixes aren't working, I can't even get into the drive.
[23:06] <matsaman> h2oly: boot your live OS / install media, do the GRUB reinstallation steps
[23:07] <h2oly> tried that, it takes me to some random oem install
[23:09] <Alabalistic_> https://www.minitool.com/news/how-to-reboot-windows-10.html
[23:09] <h2oly> Even the bios doesn't see it as a bootable drive.  No conflicts.  I can see the drive in windows. Just frustrated there is a lot of research on there
[23:11] <Alabalistic_> h2oly:  normaly windows can't read linux partitions so if you see all the disk in windows, can it be that the linux is gone
[23:11] <Alabalistic_> but now with wsl2 I have no idea
[23:14] <octav1a> I am repetedly getting this error: "Maximum number of clients reached Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused"
[23:15] <h2oly> I can see the drive.  I have 200gb partitioned for linux on a 1TB drive.  I can see the 789GB, and a block that I can't access...as I should.
[23:15] <octav1a> It's fixed when closing google chrome but then It comes back a while after opening it again (like a few hours)
[23:15] <octav1a> How can I permanantly fix this?
[23:17] <Alabalistic_> octav1a: where do you have this msg
[23:18] <Alabalistic_> h2oly:  lets debbug the problem, so you are able to boot to live usb?
[23:18] <octav1a> I see things don't open normally, so I get it when typing any of the program names in the terminal.
[23:19] <h2oly> to the original drive...lets see...brb
[23:19] <Alabalistic_> octav1a: if you start your browser from the terminal you may encounter wierd problems, there is some flags that are needed to run smootly,
[23:20] <octav1a> Alabalistic_: No, I mean, other programs. So while chrome is already running, not from terminal, I will go try to launch, idk, libreoffice, or gnome-screenshot, or something. And it will not work, so I go to the terminal to see what error I have why it's not launching, and that's what I see.
[23:23] <Alabalistic_> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/368017/cant-start-applications-due-to-maximum-number-of-clients-reached-error
[23:24] <Alabalistic_> octav1a: ^ as a happy plasma user this is all I found
[23:31] <h2oly> Ok.  I'm in...sort of.  It said there were 3 errors and then bumped me into the install screen.  I'm in the use ubuntu right now
[23:31] <h2oly> I can see the drive and files I need.
[23:32] <Alabalistic_> h2oly:  repare or reintstall
[23:32] <Alabalistic_> reparing grub is a easy task, following a guide


[00:00] <IdleOne> thank you
[00:00] <Nece228> hi funkyHat
[07:54] <Nece228> hi funkyHat
[08:25] <jpds> Hmm; OWDH in -server looks familiar.
[08:30] <ikonia> can someone with ops in -server please remove OWDH it's balzac ban dodging again
[08:31] <ikonia> he's using freenode webchat but as #xubuntu and #ubuntu-server don't use the floodbots to validte banned IP's he can ge aroun them
[08:31] <ikonia> !staff | OWDH user balzac serial ban evader just removed from #ubuntu-server and #xubuntu for ban dodging using freenode webchat again
[08:38] <jpds> My word, a soren.
[08:40] <ikonia> a rare one
[08:40] <ikonia> soren has -ops in server doesn't he ?
[08:43] <jpds> Yes.
[11:46] <lhavelund> morning all
[12:14] <gord> good morning
[12:14] <gord> oh wait, afternoon now, darn
[12:15] <bazhang> jungli is on
[12:35] <marienz> anywhere he shouldn't be?
[12:41] <bazhang> not so far, from what I've seen; just saw him go onto #freenode
[13:17] <lhavelund> is not, gord!
[13:22] <bazhang> ugh he was here?
[13:22] <Pici> who?
[13:22] <bazhang> jusoe / crivit/ buzag/ etc etc etc
[13:22] <Pici> That was from a week ago.
[13:23] <Pici> ubottu reminded me.
[13:23] <bazhang> mr.   It wouldn't have matched him anyway, the ip changed.
[18:46] <IdleOne> jrib: I was air drumming and had to switch channel
[18:50] <h00k> I like the appealprocess link
[18:51] <h00k> I should append that to mine in auto_bleh
[19:00] <gos> Hi, I need a program like  gshutdown but lubuntu because gshutdown not work with desktop lxde
[19:01] <gos> sorryb for lubuntu
[19:01] <charlie-tca> gos: have you asked in #lubuntu ?
[19:02] <gos> charlie :lubuntu has much limitations like desktop
[19:02] <gos> many limitations
[19:03] <IdleOne> gos: this is not a support channel. /join #lubuntu
[19:04] <Pici> Hes being banforwarded here from #ubuntu
[20:17] <Pici> roof!
[22:49] <jpds> That happens to be true...