[02:00] <advx_> Hi all, Good Morning
[02:01] <advx_> I m connected via HDMI to TV, how can I enable audio?
[02:02] <holstein> advx_: you may not be able to
[02:03] <holstein> advx_: i have found that tied in to the graphics drivers.. though, i have also found it easily able to be enabled as well with pavucontrol using pulseaudio. but, lubuntu doesnt ship with pulse audio
[02:03] <holstein> i would refer to...
[02:03] <holstein> !audio
[02:04] <holstein> i would consider a standard ubuntu live CD, or xubuntu live CD, and test using pulse audio with the pavucontrol tool if necessary
[02:04] <advx_> thanks..
[02:04] <advx_> should I install pulseaudio?
[02:04] <holstein> advx_: i didnt say that
[02:05] <holstein> advx_: i suggest testing with pulse live and see if it makes a difference
[02:05] <advx_> whats pulse live
[02:06] <holstein> advx_: as i suggested, by downloading a distro that uses pulse, such as xubuntu or the main ubuntu distro.. and just dont install it.. just run it live, and test the HDMI audio
[02:06] <holstein> if it works, then, you can easily add pulse to lubuntu
[02:06] <advx_> I m on Intel NUC, DN2820
[02:06] <advx_> ubuntu 13.10 worked, but xbmc didnt
[02:06] <holstein> advx_: xbmc is not ubuntu
[02:06] <advx_> so I m trying lubuntu, xbmc works smoothly
[02:07] <holstein> advx_: the xbmc package will be the same in ubuntu and lubuntu
[02:07] <advx_> also audio out on analog 3.5mm is great
[02:07] <advx_> now I m trying HDMI
[02:07] <holstein> advx_: so you can get an analog cable, and route it, and not worry with the hdmi audio
[02:07] <holstein> advx_: you can install pulse in lubuntu
[02:07] <holstein> advx_: you can try live CD's to test if pluse helps
[02:07] <advx_> ok
[02:25] <advx_> lspci show audio device Intel corp. valleyview
[02:25] <advx_> o sorry
[02:25] <advx_> Audio device: Intel Corporation ValleyView High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0c)
[02:25] <holstein> advx_: ok
[02:25] <holstein> advx_: it may or may not be able to support hdmi output
[02:26] <advx_> :(
[02:26] <holstein> advx_: did pulseaudio help?
[02:26] <advx_> added pulse audio and pavcontrol too
[02:26] <advx_> may b a reboot is required
[02:26] <holstein> advx_: ok... then, you can try routing with pavucontrol
[02:26] <advx_> ?
[02:26] <advx_> how
[02:27] <holstein> advx_: you run the application, friend, and route the output of something to the device you are trying to support
[02:28] <holstein> advx_: you stated you had hdmi audio working in linux?
[02:29] <advx_> ok let me reboot
[02:29] <advx_> frst
[02:30] <advx_> bye 4 now, thanks for your help
[06:10] <FuuqUmiist> what are the main differnces between 13.10 and 14.04?
[06:10] <FuuqUmiist> and is it possible to upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 without issues
[06:14] <wxl> FuuqUmiist: it'll be released mid april with all the official features and potential problems
[06:15] <wxl> FuuqUmiist: meanwhile feel free to test!
[06:53] <BlitzHere> So, I've got this weird issue on my laptop. I have a USB mouse which works just fine when the laptop is plugged into a power source. However, when the laptop's running off battery power, the mouse switches off in 3 seconds. It works fine when I'm moving it around, but if stop moving it around, it switches off (i.e. the laser goes out). It is possible to wake the mouse back up by clicking one of the buttons though it's still annoying
[10:08] <jirido> Hello
[10:10] <jirido> Im back with a new Q. How do i make links in terminal clickable? I use bash in guake.
[14:23] <holstein> jirido: i just click on them.. control click usually gets picked up for links in any emulator
[14:24] <jirido> Hi. Its just that.. it hapens nothing when i click links in my terminal
[14:25] <holstein> jirido: what i would do is right click, and see that the link works
[14:25] <holstein> let me link a few here and we can exeriment
[14:25] <jirido> OK
[14:25] <holstein> https://www.google.com/
[14:25] <holstein> google.com
[14:26] <holstein> https://www.google.com/ is clickable for me.. control click opens it.. from terminator
[14:26] <holstein> control double click it seems
[14:27] <holstein> same in quake
[14:27] <jirido> well control click opens it but not the link but a new tab  with the start page..
[14:27] <jirido> I would like to set it to open with normal left click
[14:29] <holstein> jirido: so, they open, but you would like to open them using a different method? correct?
[14:29] <jirido> I had the same in thunderbird before i set it to warn on open http in pref.js. There i was able to choose firerfox
[14:30] <holstein> jirido: they are opening in firefox, correct?
[14:30] <jirido> yes. no :) It opens in FF but always as start page.. the url gets lost
[14:31] <jirido> AND i would like it to work with Left click!
[14:31] <holstein> jirido: the url doesnt get lost here
[14:31] <jirido> lol
[14:31] <holstein> jirido: it open.. control double click.. opens.. no lost url
[14:31] <jirido> here it does
[14:32] <holstein> jirido: so, try as a different user, try a different url and default browser.. try with a live cd
[14:32] <holstein> jirido: then, you can refer to the guake documentation on opening urls
[14:32] <jirido> As i said it was the same with thunderbird before
[14:33] <holstein> jirido: thunderbird is not the same
[14:33] <holstein> jirido: you wont address this in guake with a java script fix
[14:36] <jirido> But its the exact same behavior. it opens a new tab, but always with start page.. /no no javascript fix.. rather setting something in bash i would guess
[14:36] <holstein> jirido: rather something where i suggested.. in the guake documentation
[14:37] <holstein> jirido: its not a lubuntu or lxde application, so, you may address it better in #ubuntu
[14:37] <jirido> Guake dont have any settings for default browser as i have looked
[14:38] <jirido> OK
[14:38] <jirido> I will.
[14:43] <holstein> jirido: guake doesnt have any "settings" like that AFAIK.. it will be in its config file *if* they provide that functionality
[15:24] <Brutus> hi!
[15:31] <Brutus> i have a problem with autostart applications (the same specified here: https://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/msg03158.html); i tried with disable_autostart=false and noticed that update-manager started; now how can i get update-manager running without disable_autostart=false (or how can i check if it's starting)?
[15:51] <holstein> Brutus: you could always just script an update as you please
[16:03] <utz> Anyone in here ever successful with getting AMD's Catalyst 13.12 on Lubuntu? I was following the directions found here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Quantal_Installation_Guide#Installing_Catalyst_Manually_.28from_AMD.2FATI.27s_site.29 but always got hung up at the "dpkg -i fglrx*.deb" command. It just wouldn't install.
[16:04] <holstein> utz: 13.10?
[16:05] <holstein> utz: as them if it works.. if it does, it'll work fine
[16:05] <holstein> utz: nothing about linux/ubuntu/lubuntu is preventing them from making that aviable to work on it
[16:05] <holstein> !amd
[16:05] <holstein> !ati
[16:05] <holstein> ^ thats what i always refer to
[16:05] <utz> Yeah 13.10
[16:06] <utz> K I didn't think so.
[16:06] <utz> I wish I copied the log file, let me see if I can find the error code that was in the log file.  I was trying installation for a couple hours last night.
[16:06] <utz> Trying to get oclhashcat working.
[16:08] <utz> Otherwise I would just stick with the opensource drivers, but hashcat requires fglrx (boo!)
[16:08] <utz> I'll try the link that you sent me, it looks more promising. Thanks a tons guys!
[16:14] <utz> Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons you guys use Lubuntu?
[16:16] <holstein> utz: its light.. its open.. the ubuntu base has a large community for support and compatibility.. the core ubuntu and debian are well supported and large in scope in many ways
[16:27] <utz> Cool. Pretty much the same reasons I do. I like its lightness, even though the machine I am running is fully capable of running Ubuntu, I choose Lubuntu because I like the DE and it's super light apps.
[16:28] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:31] <utz> Yes you are correct.  What I meant was fully capable of running the Ubuntu Unity DE and it's apps.
[17:29] <tobyjones8> Hi
[17:30] <tobyjones8> I have a small problem with Audacious
[17:31] <ianorlin> can you explainn what the problem is?
[17:32] <tobyjones8> There seems to be no seek bar
[17:32] <tobyjones8> Gnome MPlayer seems to have one, but I'd prefer to use Audacious because it has the equaliser function
[17:33] <tobyjones8> Is it the case that Audacious has no seek bar anyway and that I'm just being naive, or is there a problem here?
[17:34] <ianorlin> are you playing anything on it
[17:34] <tobyjones8> yes
[17:34] <tobyjones8> a playlist with about 1k songs in it
[17:34] <ianorlin> what does a seek bar look like again?
[17:35] <tobyjones8> the thing you use to skip through a song
[17:35] <tobyjones8> btw: excuse the noobiness, I've always used ubuntu in the past but moved to lubuntu a few days back
[17:36] <tobyjones8> I'm on saucy, if it makes a difference, and I also installed pulseaudio
[17:37] <ianorlin> Do you see a button with a triangle with a with a | to the left of it
[17:37] <ianorlin> that will let you skip songs
[17:37] <tobyjones8> nonono
[17:37] <tobyjones8> I'm not trying to skip entire songs
[17:37] <ianorlin> oh just parts?
[17:37] <tobyjones8> I want to skip to a certain position in the song
[17:37] <tobyjones8> Yep
[17:39] <ianorlin> I am on the beta version now and have that it appears in blue to the right of the skip entire song button
[17:39] <tobyjones8> I don't seem to have that
[17:43] <tobyjones8> Hm, oh well
[17:43] <tobyjones8> I could install VLC, but I want to avoid doing so because I wanna keep my install as light as poss
[17:43] <ianorlin> that is true
[18:24] <smurfslover> hi, can anyone tell me where lxde stores the suspend command?
[18:27] <vn151502510> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend
[18:27] <vn151502510> just tested
[18:29] <Unit193> pm-suspend, or the dbus logind call.
[18:30] <smurfslover> vn151502510, thanks
[18:30] <Unit193> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.Suspend boolean:true
[18:30] <smurfslover> my e19 uses pm-suspend and doesn't wake up properly will try dbus command
[18:31] <smurfslover> so which one is the right dbus command?
[18:31] <Unit193> Try both.  If one doesn't work, try the other.  How does it not come back properly?
[18:35] <smurfslover> Unit193, can be e19 bug trying to pin it down i can file a bugreport
[18:36] <Unit193> smurfslover: Did you disabe apport?  Normally it comes up with a problem dialog...
[18:36] <Unit193> smurfslover: You are using Ubuntu, not bodhi or something, right?
[18:51] <smurfslover> Unit193, seems like it is e19 bug i all commands work under lxde but not under e19
[18:51] <smurfslover> thanks for your help
[18:52] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:23] <FuuqUmiist> hello friends
[19:30] <smurfslover> seems like desksanity causes sigsev only when i have chrome running
[20:11] <MrSavage> I'm having troubles installing guest additions on lubuntu
[21:05] <phillw> MrSavage: do you mean virtual box guest additions?
[21:10] <MrSavage> yes
[21:10] <MrSavage> @ phillw
[21:11] <phillw> only add them to the virtual machines, never to your actual machine... It is a guaranteed bork the machine!
[21:12] <MrSavage> i am adding it to my virtual machine
[21:12] <MrSavage> lubuntu is my virtual machine
[21:13] <phillw> MrSavage: you may want to look at kvm which is on your kernel and the gui virt-manager. It has all the functionallity of vbox with the additions, but is totally f/oss.
[21:14] <MrSavage> kvm? gui virt-manager?
[21:15] <phillw> it is a different system of running virtual machines, but it is built into the kernel. This means it does not require 'guest additions' to get full functionality
[21:16] <MrSavage> i want to keep using virtual box
[21:16] <phillw> MrSavage: have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/22743/how-do-i-install-guest-additions-in-virtualbox
[21:16] <phillw> then, the above link should answer your questions
[21:17] <phillw> MrSavage: you may wish to bookmark https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[21:17] <MrSavage> i think i already checked that out
[21:18] <MrSavage> i'm trying to link the display together
[21:18] <MrSavage> so i can resize the vm on will
[21:28] <MrSavage> phillw: I'm not installing virtualbox in ubuntu
[21:28] <MrSavage> i'm installing guest additions in ubuntu
[21:30] <phillw> MrSavage: on the 2nd comment I assume you missed the letter 'l'. To save any further confusion for you, any instructions you find for virtual box that say ubuntu will work on lubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc. etc. The hint is in the buntu part of the name :)
[21:31] <MrSavage> why are ubuntu users not as helpful as gentoo users?
[21:31] <MrSavage> in-fact i think i recieved a deliberate hate PM as well
[21:31] <MrSavage> i tried asking #ubuntu but they just pointed out random links that didn't solve the issue
[21:32] <phillw> MrSavage: if you have a complaint against someone, raise it with a channel moderator, after that you can ask the community council to get involved. Bad behaviour can result in a ban.
[21:34] <phillw> I'm not a fan of #ubuntu - it is too popular for its own good and has too many people asking questions, which makes it hard to keep track of things
[21:38] <phillw> MrSavage: sadly, I do not use virtual box any longer as day to day. I do keep it installed so as to be able to test on it. As I was told a couple of years ago... people learn on vBox and then move onto virsh and virt-manager :)
[22:42] <calimero_82> higuys
[22:42] <calimero_82> where's the screensaver? i've lubu 13.10
[22:43] <ianorlin> there isn't one really installed by default you could install xscreensaver
[22:47] <calimero_82> thanks ianorlin


[11:01] <csanyipal> Hi,
[11:02] <csanyipal> I am a teacher in a primary school. We have only one class room with computers out there.
[11:03] <csanyipal> These are the computers there: one computer ( currentlu a LinuxSchools Karoshi server ) and three Windows MultiPoint Servers with thin clients.
[11:04] <csanyipal> Can the Skolelinux be used here instead of the LinuxSchools server?
[11:04] <csanyipal> Can the three MultiPoint Servers ( MPS in short ) be connected to the SkoleLinux Main server?
[11:05] <csanyipal> The Karoshi server does allow for MPS the Internet connection, then the user's home directories..
[11:06] <csanyipal> The user's home directories are all on the Karoshi server out there.
[11:06] <csanyipal> Is this possible with Skolelinux too?
[11:16] <csanyipal> Another question: Does the Edubuntu LTSP server work with the wyse thin clients?
[11:49] <csanyipal> Well, everybody here is busy now. Bye!
[15:34] <csanyipal> Hi,
[15:36] <csanyipal> is the Edubuntu a dead project or is supported? Can one expect new releases of it in the future?


[14:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: Happy Thanksgiving.... well it is here :)
[14:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: re: https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/issues/642 Apparently this has been fixed in https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/commit/ba28ffa3db9af6e1a911d30135e95f3fdd50c1ba
[14:19] <OvenWerks> This would be a one line patch...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jackd2/+bug/1899349
[14:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: the patch in the comment will _not_ apply cleanly as the spaces seem to have gotten messed up.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, the dbus for pipewire was my suggestion as I had explained to Christian and Wim that there are a ton of applications out there that need the dbus call in order for it to be a drop-in replacement.
[22:21] <OvenWerks> Yes, I also talked to Wim about that... gave a list of applications that use the api
[22:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> For me this was back in April, I think. He and Christian were very surprised and thought that the dbus API was just a work-around for something else.


[01:04] <mup> Issue operator#179 closed: Expose open-port and close-port hook tools <enhancement> <Created by stub42> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/179>
[01:04] <mup> PR operator#905 closed: Support for open-port, close-port, and opened-ports <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/905>
[04:43] <mup> PR operator#910 opened: WIP to import all exported names in ops __init__.py <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/910>


[19:19] <jess> hi
[19:20] <Guest59195> hi
[19:21] <Guest59195> how can i get  FREE Ubuntu cd?
[19:22] <wxl> Guest59195: i'd suggest contacting your local community
[19:22] <Guest59195> how?
[19:22] <Guest59195> where is it?
[19:23] <Guest59195> I live in Virginia,
[19:23] <wxl> try here http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[19:23] <Guest59195> this link headed me here
[19:23] <wxl> did you click on the map and look for virginia?
[19:23] <wxl> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/virginiateam/
[19:23] <Guest59195> yes
[19:24] <wxl> their irc channel is ubuntu-us-va
[19:25] <Guest59195> so i have to type ubuntu-us-va in channels?
[19:25] <wxl> that is their irc channel, yes
[19:25] <Guest59195> ok thank you!
[19:25] <wxl> no problem
[21:20] <Kilos> o/


[00:10] <shadeslayer> simar: ever heard of the gnusim8085?
[00:10] <shadeslayer> i made this program on it : http://pastebin.com/81qsAbdG
[00:11] <shadeslayer> but im getting Execution branched to invalid memory location <6H>. Execution will be stopped! << please reply in PM
[00:30] <simar> shadeslayer: no idea in assembly. I work in c
[01:22] <simar> shadeslayer: there?
[01:23] <simar> shadeslayer: oh sorry .. soo jaa kaaka .. shhh!!!
[03:59] <ebroder> micahg: Still around?
[03:59] <micahg> ebroder: yes
[04:00] <ebroder> I'm looking at bug #622914, but I can't find those two CVEs anywhere. Is there an announcement somewhere?
[04:00] <ebroder> Sorry - wrong bug. bug #622900
[04:00] <micahg> ebroder: in the changelog
[04:01] <micahg> ebroder: I figured since it was the devel release that would be enough, I plan on a full bug with all the info for the SRUs
[04:01] <ebroder> micahg: Yeah, yeah - I see the numbers. I want to know what the actual vulnerabilities are
[04:01] <ebroder> Curiosity as much as anything else
[04:02] <micahg> ebroder: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/security/PMASA-2010-5.php
[04:02] <ebroder> Ah - XSS bug. Boring :-P
[04:02] <nigelb> heh
[04:04] <ebroder> micahg: Anyway, yeah - I agree. Security microrelease == no FFe. I'll ACK it
[04:04] <micahg> ebroder: thanks
[04:04] <micahg> there will probably be a 3.3.6 before Maverick release, but we'll see if it's bug fix or features
[04:07] <ebroder> Can you punt the ubuntu-sponsors subscription?  I'm in the process of reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete but this is more of a question of, "is this the best way to do it?" than anything else. I want to find the best way to distribute images for wallpapers, fonts, document files, and also an install-setup.sh for setting up new installs. Basically the idea is to do a new Ubuntu install, add the PPA, update it
[06:00] <Obsidian1723> and then the file downloads and does all of the work. Is this the best way to do that? One issue that may arise is the shell script does reqire some user input to it. Forgive me. I am not a programmer, new to packaging, etc. Just want some feedback on my method really. Right now I have an alternaitve Ubuntu ISO with a kickstart file that does a wget to.dropbox.com -O- | sh and it works, but it's crude.
[06:45] <micahg> directhex: do you know what linux-vdso.so.1 is?
[06:47] <jetienne> q. apt-get doesnt support http proxy ?
[06:48] <jetienne> due fixed it
[06:49] <jetienne> sudo export http_proxy and not just export
[07:12] <directhex> micahg, if memory serves, it's an imaginary library (i.e. it's part of the kernel)
[07:13] <directhex> used to be linux-gate
[07:13] <micahg> directhex: k, I was wondering if that's why moonlight was crashing due to an unavailable lib
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[11:31] <simon-o> tumbleweed, I'm not quite sure, what the FFE for bug 622914 would look like. I would like to get this in, because tmux 1.3 has some nice features http://tmux.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tmux/tmux/CHANGES (like mouse-wheel support) and fixes many bugs
[11:32] <tumbleweed> simon-o: just say excatly that and subscribe ubuntu-release (bug numbers are good)
[11:35] <simon-o> tumbleweed, thanks. will do :)
[11:41] <AnAnt> Hello
[13:46] <bilalakhtar> If a package has a dfsg bit, and has no ubuntu changes, and I want to upgrade it in Ubuntu only (special case), what should be done ? Can I just remove the dfsg bit and mark -0ubuntu1 ?
[13:47] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: +dfsg means a repack
[13:47] <tumbleweed> so if you are upgrading it in ubuntu, do the same repack
[13:47] <tumbleweed> (there should be a get-orig-source rule to do it)
[13:47] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ok, got it
[13:48] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: yes there is
[13:48] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: so I should go ahead and just do as I do normally?
[13:48] <bilalakhtar> no
[13:48] <bilalakhtar> I understood
[13:48] <bilalakhtar> now
[13:49] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: yeah except that you are using the repacka you created, not the upstream tarball
[13:50] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ok so I will need to repackage, will I need to upload the repack somewhere else?
[13:50] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: do you plan join motu?
[13:50] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: no, the sponsor can do the same repack
[13:51] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: yes
[13:52] <persia> Hrm?  If there's a repack in Debian, it's best to use the *exact same* binary artifacts that Debian produced for the repack, rather than re-repacking it.
[13:52] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: any particular date?
[13:52] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: it happened long ago
[13:52] <bilalakhtar> There's good news, people
[13:52] <bilalakhtar> No need, since the repack was done to remove a file
[13:52] <bilalakhtar> Upstream has removed it now
[13:53] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: so I am dumping the dfsg bit in the version. Okay?
[13:54] <bilalakhtar> BRB
[13:54] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: what happened long ago?
[13:54] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: why?
[13:54] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: oh, I see
[13:54] <tumbleweed> nm
[13:54] <tumbleweed> persia: bilalakhtar was talking about a new upstream release
[13:58] <persia> Ah, right.
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: The repack happened long ago
[14:02] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I asked when do you plan sign up on meeting...
[14:03] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: In the september 14 meeting
[14:03] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: By then, I hope to gain a little bit more experience
[14:04] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: do some security fixes :)
[14:06] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: are you busy?
[14:06] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: afraid so, yes
[14:06] <ari-tczew> aha
[14:13] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Like merges, in package upgrades also should I outline all debian/ubuntu changes in the changelog?
[14:13] <bilalakhtar> I have added a message in changelog why I dropped the repack
[14:15] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: in merges you don't have to outline debian changes, but yes you should always outline *your* changes in the changelog
[14:15] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: in merges we outline Ubuntu changes
[14:15] <tumbleweed> yes, the changes you are applying
[14:15] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: here I am outlining non-upstream changes
[14:15] <bilalakhtar> yes
[14:16] <bilalakhtar> building now
[14:20] <bilalakhtar> Built!
[14:27] <bilalakhtar> Hey! When I ran update-maintainer, it added the old maintainer to the uploaders! Is it right?
[14:28] <Laney> I don't think it should touch the Uploaders field
[14:28] <bilalakhtar> No, I saw it the wrong way
[14:28] <bilalakhtar> It did it correct
[14:28] <Laney> (nor does it from the code)
[14:28] <Laney> ok
[14:29] <bilalakhtar> I was actually looking at the DSC
[14:29]  * bilalakhtar will leave now
[14:31] <zul> we have a team meeting today dont we?
[14:38] <ari-tczew> zul: which meeting? DMB?
[14:38] <zul> oops...wrong channel
[14:52] <james_w> of the web tools that we have that support adding comments on packages (e.g. merge-o-matic) do those comments persist with new versions?
[14:53] <james_w> i.e. is the comment field blank after a new version is uploaded, or does it keep the same value as it had before?
[14:55] <Laney> IIRC they were reset
[14:55] <Laney> but you can get the source of mom
[14:55] <james_w> yeah
[14:55] <james_w> getting it is one thing, answering that question for sure is another
[14:55] <james_w> from what I've seen it looks like they aren't reset but I'm not sure
[14:55] <Laney> I wonder what happened to merges.ubuntu.com/xxx.html
[14:56] <james_w> ENOSPC I believe
[14:56] <Laney> is there an RT about it?
[14:57] <james_w> don't know
[14:57] <Laney> anyway it makes sense to me for them to be linked to versions, as the kind of things they were used for were transient
[14:57] <Laney> bug numbers and assignment tracking mainly
[15:03] <james_w> it appears that they persist
[15:04] <tumbleweed> that's my memory of them, you'd often come across comments that related to previous merges
[15:06] <Laney> if that's true, then I feel retrospectively bad for putting bug numbers in the comments ;)
[15:18] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, working on the sponsorship queue?
[15:18] <fabrice_sp> (I won on bug 623358 by 4 minutes :-) )
[15:19] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: heh
[15:20] <tumbleweed> you can have the upload then :)
[15:20] <fabrice_sp> :-) I just wanted to avoid double work ;-)
[15:20] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: wanna do some sponsorships for me?
[15:21] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, I'm looking at bug 623372
[15:21] <fabrice_sp> ;-)
[15:21] <ari-tczew> aha ok
[15:21] <tumbleweed> didn't my ack-sync lock it?
[15:21] <fabrice_sp> hmm, you too?
[15:22] <fabrice_sp> still in New in the ack-sync output
[15:22] <fabrice_sp> ack-sync throw me an exception, so it may be true
[15:22] <tumbleweed> you're riht, still new, but it assigned me (didn't it used to set in progress?)
[15:23] <fabrice_sp> should be, yes
[15:25] <fabrice_sp> IIRC, bdrung added it and also a control on status to avoid 2 people working on the same bug report at the same time
[15:26] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: I can't see any sign of In Progress in the source (or the bzr log)
[15:26] <fabrice_sp> bdrung perhaps forgot to commit the change, then
[15:26] <tumbleweed> I was going to ammend it to set Fix Committed before uploading, but determining which task we are looking at is quite complex
[15:26] <fabrice_sp> perhaps we should be using IRC to avoid clashes. Something like /me looking at #623358
[15:27] <tumbleweed> I normally unsubscribe sponsors and subscribe myself when starting to look, then reload the bug to be sure nobody else has
[15:27] <fabrice_sp> so do I
[15:27] <fabrice_sp> except with ack-sync
[15:33] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: looks like ack-sync locks by assignee - it must have been a race during assignment
[15:34] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, could be, yes. I'm updating also my ack-sync script, in case something has been fixed recently
[15:36] <tumbleweed> I've done a couple of tweaks, testing now.
[16:04] <shane2peru> ok, I followed this guide:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python  and my deb comes out small, and only installed the control files, where did I go wrong??
[16:06] <shane2peru> Is this the right channel to get help with packaging?
[16:07] <tumbleweed> shane2peru: #ubuntu-packaging
[16:07] <shane2peru> tumbleweed, ok, thanks
[16:13] <ari-tczew> could someone check whether it can be synced or not? package xserver-xorg-video-sunleo
[16:13] <ari-tczew> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sunleo
[16:13] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: #ubuntu-x ?
[16:15] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I should ask doko, but he is not around here or #ubuntu-x
[16:16] <Laney> no
[16:16] <Laney> it's not a new upstream yet so the tarballs will still be different
[16:16] <Laney> → fakesync or merge
[16:17] <ari-tczew> Laney: I know that tarballs are different - I can read changelog... but there is a change - b-d on quilt - what's the reason?
[16:18] <Laney> what? You asked if it could be synced and I answered you
[16:18] <Laney> I don't know what the build dep is for either, the changelog should have been more verbose
[18:18] <Korbit> hello
[18:18] <Korbit> i'm trying to create my first ubuntu package
[18:19] <Korbit> since this is a java program i'm getting this error in pbuilder
[18:19] <Korbit> Can't exec "ant": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 179.
[18:19] <Korbit> dh_auto_clean: ant clean failed to to execute: No such file or directory
[18:20] <Korbit> how can i say that this program needs ant to build?
[18:20] <Korbit> i tried this: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ant
[18:20] <Korbit> in the debian/control file
[18:20] <Korbit> but it didn't work
[18:20] <Korbit> any help?
[18:20] <azeem> it's a Build-Depends
[18:21] <Korbit> ups, sorry for noobness
[18:22] <Korbit> didn't notice the build-depends variable
[18:24] <Korbit> trying to build the package again
[18:25] <Korbit> it's downloading java so i suppose it's working now =)
[18:26] <Korbit> azeem, Unpacking ant (from .../ant_1.7.1-4build1_all.deb) ...
[18:26] <Korbit> thanks man! =)
[18:28] <Korbit> i'm so stupid... obviously i have to say that i also need a java compiler
[18:31] <azeem> no problem
[18:31] <Korbit> which java compiler should i use?
[18:31] <azeem> the default one
[18:31] <Korbit> i should use a meta java compiler right?
[18:31] <azeem> didn't you say it downloaded one?
[18:32] <Korbit> instead of saying openjdk-jdk for example
[18:32] <azeem> why instead?
[18:32] <Korbit> i'll see the dependencies of ant
[18:32] <Korbit> because the binary package will depend on a java runtime
[18:33] <azeem> check its Suggests as well
[18:36] <Korbit> trying again
[18:41] <Korbit> azeem, it worked! =)
[18:41] <Korbit> i'm happy
[18:42] <Korbit> i'm going home now and when i arrive i'll learn how to get my package uploaded
[18:58] <canesin> anyone knows why a lucid build would resut in a dependancy on libav.* (>= 4:0.5.1-3) ????
[18:58] <canesin> If the distro version is libav* 4:0.5.1-1
[19:02] <Bachstelze> canesin: what package?
[19:03] <Bachstelze> probably a bad import from Debian
[19:05] <canesin> Bachstelze: I did the package .. imported it, it is paraview
[19:05] <canesin> I commited .. compiled ok in maverick..
[19:05] <canesin> but now I want to backport it..
[19:06] <canesin> I'm not a MOTU
[19:06] <canesin> I just filled the bug and so on
[19:09] <ari-tczew> canesin: give a bug number
[19:16]  * Jarvis tickles Laney
[19:17]  * Laney roars
[19:17] <Jarvis> :D
[19:22] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Thanks for that bug-buddy upload!
[19:23] <canesin> ??
[19:25] <canesin> bilalakhtar: How do I fix this ??
[19:25] <bilalakhtar> canesin: Please elaborate
[19:25] <canesin> bilalakhtar: It compiles, install, run and everything else fine in maverick
[19:26] <canesin> bilalakhtar: compile fine in lucid also...
[19:26] <canesin> bilalakhtar: but gives a dependency on libav.* (>= 4:0.5.1-3)  when installing
[19:26] <canesin> bilalakhtar: if I force it to install, it runs and do everything else perfect..
[19:27] <Bachstelze> canesin: give the bug number or an URL to your source package or something
[19:27] <canesin> bilalakhtar: how do I fix that dependency on libav* (>= 4:0.5.1-3) to (>= 4:0.5.1-1) to ask for a backport in lucid
[19:27] <Bachstelze> nobody here has a crystal ball
[19:28] <bilalakhtar> I agree with Bachstelze
[19:28] <canesin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paraview/3.8.1-1ubuntu1
[19:28] <bilalakhtar> canesin: It would be a lot better to ask your question in public rather than refer me!
[19:28] <canesin> sorry
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> canesin, is this a build dependency or a generated one for the binary package?
[19:29] <canesin> a generated one
[19:29] <canesin> only ocours when trying to install the generated deb in lucid
[19:29] <lfaraone> fabrice_sp: by the way, I saw your upload doing a libao4 transition, should I request a rebuild of my package in Debian as well?
[19:29] <canesin> used pbuilder-dist lucid build %.dsc
[19:30] <fabrice_sp> canesin, so if you rebuild the package, the right dependency should be picked
[19:30] <fabrice_sp> lfaraone, not sure: I'm parsing the NBS, and libao2 was one of those
[19:30] <canesin> That is why I'm asking here.. it does not.. it still shows  libav.* (>= 4:0.5.1-3)
[19:31] <fabrice_sp> lfaraone, Debian has libao4. Which package is it?
[19:31] <lfaraone> fabrice_sp: pianobar.
[19:32] <fabrice_sp> it's ok in Debian
[19:32] <fabrice_sp> canesin, why is there so many python2.5 stuff there?
[19:32] <bilalakhtar> Hi fabrice_sp seeing you here after a long time!
[19:32] <fabrice_sp> Hey bilalakhtar :-)
[19:33] <fabrice_sp> on holidays tomorrow, so you'll have to wait even longer ;-)
[19:34] <fabrice_sp> canesin, do you have a build log somewhere?
[19:34] <fabrice_sp> for Lucid
[19:35] <canesin> fabrice_sp, the program has a Python API..
[19:35] <canesin> fabrice_sp, I'm rebuilding it now.. sorry.. only "last_operation.log" ..
[19:35] <canesin> fabrice_sp, It is in 40% ....
[19:38] <fabrice_sp> canesin, take your time
[19:38] <fabrice_sp> even if it has a python API, why isn't 2.6 referenced?
[19:40] <canesin> fabrice_sp, I believe that in version 3.8.1 it is 2.6 .. but in olders no
[19:40] <canesin> this package was very outdated..
[19:41] <canesin> that was why I filled the FFe
[19:41] <fabrice_sp> yeah :-/
[19:41] <fabrice_sp> 3.8.1 still reference python2.5
[19:41] <fabrice_sp> at least, in the debian directory
[19:41] <canesin> ? .. in the build log it don't call it
[19:42] <fabrice_sp> you have it in paraview.lintian-overrides
[19:42] <fabrice_sp> debian/python-paraview.install
[19:42] <tumbleweed> oh dear I missed that. I sponsored it
[19:42] <fabrice_sp> and that's it
[19:42]  * tumbleweed assumes the python scripting is broken in it then?
[19:43] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: hey1
[19:43] <fabrice_sp> it seems so, yes
[19:43] <bilalakhtar> s/1/!/
[19:43] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Thanks for that upload!
[19:43] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: np
[19:43] <fabrice_sp> s/1/?/
[19:44] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: And, what about the mail I sent you? Can you answer it now?
[19:44]  * tumbleweed sees some more SRU uploads from you first
[19:44] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: I have none right noq
[19:44] <bilalakhtar> *now
[19:44] <tumbleweed> oh, nm
[19:45] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: did you upload a few SRUs before becoming MOTU?
[19:45] <tumbleweed> no, but I probably should have.
[19:46] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: then?
[19:46] <bilalakhtar> so its a 'Wait some more time'
[19:46] <bilalakhtar> Thanks for the review tumbleweed !
[19:46] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: no, that is unrelated, my mistake, nm
[19:49] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: The problem is, I cannot find bugs which can be SRUed
[19:49] <bilalakhtar> I tried one, but pitti declined
[19:49] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: don't worry about that - you'll come across them soon enough
[19:49] <tumbleweed> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54310767/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.utouch-grail_1.0.10-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <- eh? sh: gcc: not found
[19:52] <Laney> don't worry about that
[19:52] <Laney> all builds are saying it
[19:52] <canesin> fabrice_sp: so what is the problem ??
[19:52] <canesin> fabrice_sp: It has something broken ?
[19:53] <fabrice_sp> canesin, did you posted a lucid build?
[19:53] <fabrice_sp> ohh, about python: yes
[19:53] <canesin> fabrice_sp: wierd, because I had run some python scripts to test
[19:53] <canesin> before upload
[19:54] <fabrice_sp> according to the install file, you should be missing debian/tmp/usr/lib/paraview/python2.5/lib-dynload/*.so files
[19:55] <fabrice_sp> but as it's building fine, the build system seems to find those files
[19:56] <canesin> ok...
[19:56] <canesin> so no problem in that ..
[19:56] <canesin> it runs
[19:56] <fabrice_sp> not sure
[19:57] <fabrice_sp> I'll build the package in a clean chroot, and see if the files are there or not
[19:59] <canesin> okay
[19:59] <canesin> and the dependency problem ?? how do I fix that ??
[20:00] <vish> could someone upload bug 395692 ? it has a debdiff waiting for a very long time...
[20:01] <vish> I asked Amaranth and he said upstream is unmaintained too
[20:06] <bilalakhtar> vish: You're better off asking it in #ubuntu-desktop
[20:53] <Korbit> hello everyone
[20:53] <Korbit> i've followed the motu videos by daniel holbach to create my first package
[20:53] <Korbit> now that pbuilder ran successfully, what should i do?
[20:54] <Bachstelze> Korbit: depends, what kind of package is it?
[20:54] <Korbit> i just packaged a java program that is not currently in the ubuntu reps
[20:55] <Korbit> basically, i download the program (in .zip) and changed it to a .tar.gz like daniel holbach says in the video
[20:55] <Bachstelze> if it's not in Ubuntu, it's probably not in Debian either, the "preferred" way is to get it into Debian, and let it merge in Ubuntu automatically
[20:56] <Korbit> is it similar to create a package for debian?
[20:56] <Bachstelze> yes
[20:56] <Bachstelze> obviously, the packaging format it the same ;)
[20:56] <Korbit> ok, i'll look into that on the debian website
[21:08] <Korbit> it's A LOT to read
[21:09] <Korbit> i'll just unzip the program and use it
[21:10] <Korbit> i'm not into reading all this stuff just to create a package now :(
[21:57] <fabrice_sp> canesin, the build failed because I don't have enough space on my HD.


[01:55] <laga_> superm1: i committed i18n support for the control centre
[03:27] <jeffcster> mytharchive question: where would I find the README for growisofs? I'm using mythbuntu 7.10
[03:28] <laga_> jeffcster: "man growisofs"?
[03:30] <jeffcster> thanks, now maybe I can get to the root of my problem.
[07:45] <tafkaz> hi. first of all: mythtv is great and runs pretty good here !
[07:45] <tafkaz> now my question
[07:45] <tafkaz> if i put a dvd with some mixed movies into the drive myth will open the gallery right ?
[07:46] <tafkaz> normally now you can choose a movie, and it will be played by the configured movieplayer
[07:46] <tafkaz> now....some of my dvds will work exactrly so, while others though only show a white picture and do nothing after choosing a file
[07:46] <tafkaz> is this problem known here ?
[07:47] <tafkaz> its just a clean white screen, which i have never seen elsewhere in myth
[07:48] <tafkaz> xine (the configured movieplayer) will read and play the same files perfectly when run in an xterm
[07:48] <tafkaz> with absolutely the same command
[11:11] <killefiz> my mythtv-backend dies quite often and I cannot find anything in the logfile after it happens - is there a way to change the backend debug level to find out what happens?
[11:41] <Mirage> mythbackend -v help
[11:50] <killefiz> great - thanks
[12:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ping


[12:50] <PseudoPlacebo> Haha.
[12:31] <lapo> hi
[12:52] <pingunz> hey lapo
[03:59] <klerfayt> why doesn't kubuntu have it's own icon set like ubuntu?
[04:05] <troy_s> full house
[04:05] <nysosym> hi all :)
[04:17] <klerfayt> why isn't #ubuntu-artwork listed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?
[04:21] <Riddell> klerfayt: feel free to add it
[04:22] <Riddell> klerfayt: #kubuntu-devel is perfectly fine for kubuntu artwork discussion too (of course you'll get technical people commenting on it rather than artwork people)
[04:26] <bersace> hi all
[04:27] <nysosym> hi bersace


[12:10] <dantalizing> who is the new editor?  all i can find are old announcements :(
[17:25] <pleia2> dantalizing: moving forward it will be a rotating editor (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditorSchedule), but we're still in a transition phase
[17:26] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-December/001216.html has details from our last meeting where akgraner presented the plan


[07:47] <asphya> Hello Guys!
[07:48] <asphya> Anyone live?
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[13:50] <walrider> yes
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[13:52] <walrider> click the magnet url as screenshot
[13:52] <walrider> and then look at the 2nd screenshot that i sent
[13:53] <prks> ok
[19:25] <walrider> anybody up ??
[19:27] <walrider> QA: coffee please
[19:27] <QA> walrider: There isn't a pot on
[19:27] <walrider> QA: :(
[19:27] <QA> walrider: What?
[19:31] <Nahiyan> me
[19:32] <walrider> i got a real ip connection
[19:32] <walrider> willing to host a small tiny server
[19:33] <walrider> as its my hobby xD
[19:34] <walrider> i need idea
[19:34] <walrider> Nahiyan: bro
[19:34] <Nahiyan> yo
[19:34] <Nahiyan> I got a VPS
[19:34] <Nahiyan> host a website
[19:34] <Nahiyan> & game server
[19:35] <walrider> cant host from my laptop
[19:35] <walrider> website
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[19:35] <walrider> gameserver i can host
[19:36] <walrider> counter strike source or 1.6


[09:29] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, so, we are supposed to test things right?
[09:32] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: yep, I'm syncing the images still (getting around 200kB/s so it takes a bit of time)
[09:33] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: and have a meeting in an hour or so. check the test cases on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/301/builds and report any issues on launchpad and link there
[09:33] <highvoltage> (if you're going to do some iso testing :) )
[09:33] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, I will, but I have Ubuntu Studio here as priority;P
[09:41] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: coolies
[09:42] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, I do wonder though: Why does the edubuntu-devel and this channel sound so quiet?
[09:45] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: ah, edubuntu-devel doesn't actually exist formally/officially
[09:45] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: this channel is actually for both.
[09:45] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, edubuntu-devel mailing list
[09:45] <smartboyhw> ...
[09:45] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: ah yes.
[09:46] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: things have indeed been quiet recently. we had some discussion last week to get some more of the samba work implemented that's high priority for 14.04.
[09:46] <highvoltage> but things are a bit stagnated at the moment and it would be nice to get some nice momentum going again.
[09:50] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, OK
[09:56] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, BTW, you'd better update your Ubuntuosphere box in the website, since there are new flavours now.
[09:57] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: yeah I haven't touched that site in 8 months.
[09:57] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: will give some attention there too some time.
[09:57] <highvoltage> (ah you meant the edubuntu site)
[09:58] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: yes, I really don't like the edubuntu site currently. we had lots of ideas for it but ran out of steam. I'd like a simpler less noisy theme for it some time.
[09:58] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, alright
[12:18] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, you did say that you'll have time to review the m.p. for edubuntu-artwork today..
[12:42] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: yep. I ended up having to work today but will still be able to get to it :)
[12:45] <highvoltage> stgraber: the current images are good for testing right?
[12:51] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, which ISO are you currently downloading to test?
[12:51] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[12:52] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, eh, I mean, amd64 or i386..
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Or BOTH?:O
[12:52] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, and wait, why are you downloading THAT?
[12:53] <smartboyhw> highvoltage,  for 12.04.3 it would be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/precise/dvd/current/
[13:16] <stgraber> highvoltage: they may be good. Please start by testing LTSP (live and post-install) as we had some problem with it for alternates and I'm not sure whether Edubuntu should get respun too
[13:40] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: oops, yes http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/precise/dvd/current/ is what I actually meant (copied and pasted wrong tab)
[13:40] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: sorry for almost sending you on wild goosechase!
[13:40] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, phew:P
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Which arch are you downloading currently? amd64 or i386?
[13:40] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: I'm starting with i386, starting in a few mins or so
[13:41] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, OK I will go with amd64 then
[13:41] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: great
[14:16] <highvoltage> well, LTSP Live is fine at least.
[14:36] <highvoltage> we should probably check that actual 64 bit thin clients also work some time.
[14:41] <stgraber> well, they won't with Edubuntu
[14:41] <stgraber> since we only ship 32bit chroots, but I usually check with the alternate
[14:43] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok good (that it's at least checked on alternates)
[14:43] <stgraber> highvoltage: however we don't have alternate on > 12.04, so it's just tested on the lts ;)
[14:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: I suppose very few people use 64 bit on thin clients anyway. still nice to know that it still works :)
[14:44] <highvoltage> my saucy dvd's are also almost finished syncing. going to give them some attention too later tonight.
[14:47]  * smartboyhw is still zsyncing the Precise amd64 ISO
[16:01] <highvoltage> i386 is good for live ltsp + installed.
[16:03] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, heh, I think I have to sleep now, still not yet finished download of amd64 Precise:(
[16:03] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: ok. I'm around half-way with amd64 so no problem
[16:04] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, great:)
[17:15] <highvoltage> stgraber: edubuntu 12.04.3 i386/amd64 looks good and past the test cases. I'll poke some more and see how it goes with the others before marking as ready-for-release


[01:22] <iGotNoTime> You know this seems very unstable maybe you guys can help figure out why
[01:23] <iGotNoTime> First I lost my Gnome-terminal and only xterm would work
[01:23] <iGotNoTime> then I lost the drive that were mounted while I was out to lunch
[01:23] <iGotNoTime> the system time is set not to synch yet changes at all hours
[01:24] <iGotNoTime> and lastly I have now lost the add programs option
[01:24] <iGotNoTime> the things that are lost flash momentarily but no GUI
[01:24] <Burgwork> have you confirmed that it is not hardware?
[01:24] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, you may laugh but I listened to an MP3 went to lunch and all drive shortcuts were gone
[01:24] <iGotNoTime> disappeared from my desktop
[01:25] <iGotNoTime> how do I know if it is hardware?
[01:25] <iGotNoTime> why would hardware make it say Gnome-terminal is not found?
[01:25] <Burgwork> random things crashing might be
[01:26] <Burgwork> you are running 5.10, no?
[01:26] <iGotNoTime> yes 5.10
[01:26] <iGotNoTime> even Synaptic does nothing when I click on it
[01:26] <Burgwork> is this a stock install?
[01:26] <iGotNoTime> that is a core feature of this OS is it not?
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> yes completely
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> I only installed Skype
[01:27] <Burgwork> is this a workstation or thinclient?
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> but drives, clock and terminal was gone before Skype came in
[01:27] <iGotNoTime> Workstation
[01:30] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, no big deal. I thank you for allowing me to rant
[01:30] <iGotNoTime>  :)
[01:31] <iGotNoTime> Have a nice night everyone! :)
[08:04] <linuxboy> ogra_
[08:18] <z2274743> hi there
[08:18] <Burgundavia> salut z2274743
[08:19] <z2274743> hey, im new to ubuntu and edubuntu =)
[08:19] <Burgundavia> well, welcome
[08:19] <z2274743> just wondering - is there any way of running both ubuntu and edubuntu on the same machine, and having 2 user accounts - one for adults and one for children?
[08:19] <z2274743> because that would be very cool
[08:20] <linuxboy> anybody here know anything about PXE booting for ltsp?
[08:21] <enyc> xoop
[08:21] <linuxboy> what?
[08:21] <enyc> linuxboy: ?does you macihne definittyly PXE boot okay from another PXE boot server that definitely already works ?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> z2274743: yes
[08:22] <linuxboy> enyc: I'm trying to get a PC to boot with a PXE boot floppy
[08:22] <Burgundavia> z2274743: they are basically the same
[08:25] <enyc> linuxboy: I know that
[08:25] <enyc> linuxboy: Id try a different combination of network-card/machine to boot from the network
[08:25] <linuxboy> enyc: I can't
[08:25] <enyc> linuxboy: or try a different boot server
[08:25] <enyc> and see what changes... process of elimination ;-)
[08:26] <linuxboy> I can't
[08:26] <enyc> well vmmmmgh
[08:26] <z2274743> what are the differences between ub and edub then?  just the apps that are pre-installed, and the skins?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> z2274743: both of those
[08:26] <Burgundavia> theme is the word
[08:27] <z2274743> themes, sorry...  are you involved?  im interested in getting involved in some way
[08:27] <enyc> z2274743: there is a different base package installed which installs a different base set of packages.......
[08:27] <linuxboy> enyc: in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf I have: "filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";"
[08:28] <linuxboy> enyc: but /ltsp/pxelinux.0 doesn't exist
[08:28] <z2274743> ok, so thats the only difference?  thats cool
[08:28] <enyc> linuxboy: thats probably relatife t a tftp root or something
[08:28] <linuxboy> enyc: where is the tftp root?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> z2274743: edubuntu also includes ltsp
[08:29] <enyc> z2274743: ubuntu kubuntu edubuntu ubuntu all use the same package store....
[08:29] <Burgundavia> enyc: but edubuntu and ubuntu both use GNOME
[08:29] <enyc> linuxboy: im not really familitar with pxe booting
[08:29] <z2274743> ok, great, thanks
[08:29] <enyc> Burgundavia: I know that [????]
[08:30] <Burgundavia> enyc: just wanted to make certain you didn't confuse z2274743
[08:30] <enyc> linuxboy: erm paste you dhcpd.conf somewhere...
[08:30] <z2274743> thank you.  do you know of any way i can get involved?
[08:30] <linuxboy> enyc: I thought you didn't know ltsp
[08:30] <enyc> linuxboy: Ill try these things after dapper released ;-)
[08:31] <z2274743> im using dapper now, seems to work great
[08:32] <enyc> I thought flight-5 was going to be built shortly...
[08:32] <Burgundavia> enyc: delayed due to an error with espresso on ppc
[08:32] <Burgundavia> z2274743: http://www.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu
[08:34] <enyc> Burgundavia: aah ok....
[08:34] <z2274743> burg: thanks.  how are you involved now?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> z2274743: I do documentaition, marketing, hot air producing
[08:35] <z2274743> b: nice one
[08:36] <z2274743> b: thanks for that.  im off now
[08:39] <enyc> Burgundavia: ?what do you know about plans for openoffice.org ver 2.0.2 and flight-5?  [http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 mentions openoffice.org 2.0.2 but thats not in the package database on packages.ubuntu.com]
[08:40] <Burgundavia> enyc: 2.0.2 should be there. It got uploaded yesterday I believe
[08:40] <enyc> Burgundavia: afher the Upstream Version Freeze... but very sensible!
[08:41] <enyc> Burgundavia: have all the problems with AMD64 etc. gone away since vor 2.0 upstream ?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> enyc: .0.2 is very much a bug fix release
[08:41] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:44] <enyc> Burgundavia: no matter ;-)
[09:56] <enyc> '0000
[03:13] <Tachyon[] > hi


[05:18] <raghu> hi
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[06:51] <Kilos> morning dholbach  and others
[06:54] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[19:58] <wxl> PabloRubianes: i'm officially a council member now, so i was hoping you or someone else might be able to share what other channels and mailing lists i might need to join as well as when regular meeting times are
[19:59] <Kilos> wxl  congrats


[00:07] <StevenK> wgrant: https://bugs.qastaging.launchpad.net/prop-auditorclient/+bug/939660 with a Proprietary project, and soyuz-team subscribed to the bug.
[00:07] <_mup_> Bug #939660: globally-installed GIMP python plugins are not accessible <amd64> <apport-bug> <oneiric> <running-unity> <The Gimp:New> <gimp-plugin-registry (Ubuntu):New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/939660 >
[00:08] <wgrant> StevenK: It'll need to be some other team, or I'll need to steal the project from you
[00:08] <wgrant> Since I'm a commercial admin
[00:09] <wgrant> Actually
[00:09] <wgrant> You can test this yourself
[00:09] <wgrant> StevenK: https://qastaging.launchpad.net/~stevenk
[00:10] <wgrant> Hmm
[00:10] <wgrant> Might need to be a team, actually
[00:11] <wgrant> StevenK: Can you see https://qastaging.launchpad.net/~soyuz-team, with the project listed?
[00:11] <StevenK> Yes
[00:12] <wgrant> StevenK: How about now?
[00:13] <StevenK> wgrant: I can see the page, but the project disappeared
[00:14] <wgrant> StevenK: And now?
[00:14] <wgrant> (I've just added a team grant)
[00:14] <StevenK> wgrant: The project is back
[00:15] <wgrant> Sounds qa-ok, then
[00:15] <wgrant> Oh
[00:15] <wgrant> No, that was an APG, oops
[00:15] <StevenK> Haha
[00:16] <wgrant> And now?
[00:16] <StevenK> wgrant: The page loads and the project is there.
[00:18] <wgrant> Great
[00:18] <wgrant> That's an AAG
[00:19] <StevenK> I shall mark the bug as qa-ok, then
[00:24] <wgrant> Sounds good
[00:49] <StevenK> wgrant: We want to link the identifier in the case that there is an known email, but the identifer is not known about?
[00:52] <wgrant> StevenK: Right. If the identifier is known then the identifier wins, otherwise we fall back to the email address and link the identifier for the future.
[00:53] <wgrant> Currently if the identifier is known and the email is unknown, we add the email address. But we want to stop doing that.
[01:29] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515303/ Am I on the right track?
[01:31] <wgrant> StevenK: We want to at most warn if the accounts differ -- certainly not crash
[01:31] <wgrant> And we don't even attempt to add the address if it's missing
[01:31] <wgrant> Again, we would at most warn about it
[01:32] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, I wasn't certain how to warn. Add an exception like TeamEmailAddressError?
[01:33] <wgrant> That sounds like an error, not a warning.
[01:33] <wgrant> We don't have to do a warning initially. Just ignore it for now.
[01:34] <wgrant> It also looks like you removed the account creation bit
[01:34] <StevenK> Yes, since that calls createPersonAndEmail
[01:34] <StevenK> Note that paste is WIP, I've not even looked at tests.
[01:35] <wgrant> createPersonAndEmail is one of the places that must obviously continue to create addresses
[01:35] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/556680/comments/5
[01:36] <_mup_> Bug #556680: attempting to create a new account with an existing team email address at login.ubuntu.com oopses <isd-logging-sprint> <lp-foundations> <openid> <Canonical SSO provider:Confirmed> <Canonical ISD QA:New> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/556680 >
[01:36] <wgrant> That's the sort of algorithm we want.
[01:36] <StevenK> So I want to resurrect that code, it's sane?
[01:36] <wgrant> But now I must go out for an hour
[01:36] <wgrant> Yes
[02:21] <wgrant> StevenK: How goes?
[02:46] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515579/
[02:51] <wgrant> +            create_email_token = False
[02:51] <wgrant> why does that still exist?
[03:17] <StevenK> wgrant: Because I don't want to assert for personless account twice
[03:34] <wgrant> StevenK: But don't you only ever need to create an address if you end up calling createPersonAndEmail?
[03:36] <wgrant> Remember that we no longer want to create missing addresses
[03:36] <wgrant> That method only adds an address if the entire person is new
[03:36] <StevenK> wgrant: create_email_token will call into getUtility(ILoginTokenSet).new(), which requires the person, and at the point I set create_email_token, I only have the account
[03:37] <wgrant> StevenK: But why are you ever calling that method?
[03:37] <wgrant> In what situation do you need to create an email address for an existing person?
[03:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Where the OpenID identifier exists, but the address does not.
[03:38] <wgrant> StevenK: We are making this change precisely so that that no longer happens
[03:38] <wgrant> That's the entire point of this branch :)
[03:39] <StevenK> * If the OpenID identifier has a person, and the e-mail address isn't known,
[03:39] <StevenK> create a LoginToken, and no e-mail address, and then when the LoginToken is
[03:39] <StevenK> consumed, we create the e-mail address as VALIDATED.
[03:39] <StevenK> From my notes I made on the call
[03:39] <wgrant> Ah
[03:39] <wgrant> That bit was a misunderstanding, clearly
[03:40] <wgrant> If the email address isn't known, we do nothing, except maybe eventually warn
[03:40] <wgrant> That's the entire point of the change
[03:40] <StevenK> I'm not sure how to warn :-(
[03:40] <StevenK> We can't toss exceptions
[03:40] <wgrant> "eventually"
[03:40] <wgrant> So do nothing
[03:40] <wgrant> Sure
[03:41] <wgrant> An exception from a login method is not a warning :)
[03:41] <wgrant> How do we normally present non-fatal warnings?
[03:41] <StevenK> Using addNotification
[03:41] <wgrant> Precisely.
[03:42] <wgrant> (well, addWarningNotification)
[03:42] <StevenK> Right, which means returning a 3-tuple and ugh
[03:42] <wgrant> That's why I said eventually
[03:42] <wgrant> Get it working first
[03:42] <wgrant> Maybe even land it
[03:42] <wgrant> Then work out how to do warnings
[03:42] <wgrant> The key thing for now is to stop the destructive rampage
[03:43] <StevenK> Working through test failures
[03:43] <StevenK>   File "/home/steven/launchpad/lp-branches/openid-identifier-is-the-new-black/lib/lp/registry/tests/test_personset.py", line 818, in testNewEmailAddress
[03:43] <StevenK>     self.assertIs(True, updated)
[03:43] <StevenK> Well, about that ... :-)
[03:43] <StevenK> MismatchError: True is not False
[03:44] <StevenK> I guess that test is now bong with this change?
[03:44] <wgrant> It certainly sounds like it's testing a piece of functionality that we're deliberately removing, so removing the test sounds sensible
[03:46] <StevenK> And testMovedEmailAddress -- like you say, the whole point is to stop doing that
[03:47] <wgrant> Not quite
[03:47] <wgrant> The case it gives there is still valid
[03:47] <wgrant> But our behaviour is different
[03:47] <wgrant> The test name and result are no longer correct, but the scenario must continue to be tested
[03:58] <StevenK> wgrant: This test pulls an account by using store.find(), I guess I need another DB query to find it's person?
[04:00] <wgrant> its
[04:00] <wgrant> You can adapt an Account to IPerson
[04:13] <StevenK> wgrant: The only thing I'm tripping over is testNoAccount. It forces self.email.account and self.person.account to None and then calls into getOrCreateByOpenIDIdentifier()
[04:16] <wgrant> StevenK: Is that a problem?
[04:16] <StevenK> wgrant: Well, the test fails due to the assert in getOrCreateByOpenIDIdentifier()
[04:17] <wgrant> Which assert?
[04:17] <StevenK>             person = IPerson(account, None)
[04:17] <StevenK>             assert person is not None, ('Received a personless account.')
[04:18] <wgrant> Ah
[04:18] <wgrant> So if you just blank out person.account without deleting the account then you'll end up with a personless account, which is illegal.
[04:19] <wgrant> That same assertion was there before
[04:19] <wgrant> Why did it work?
[04:19] <StevenK> -                    # The Email Address does not exist in the database,
[04:19] <StevenK> -                    # but the OpenId Identifier does. Create the Email
[04:19] <StevenK> -                    # Address and link it to the person.
[04:19] <StevenK> It was in that block
[04:20] <wgrant> So, that test is crap
[04:20] <wgrant> It creates an illegal state which happened to work before
[04:20] <StevenK> Haha
[04:20] <wgrant> Adjust it to remove the account, or at least remove its OpenID identifier
[04:20] <StevenK> Destroy?
[04:20] <StevenK> Aw
[04:20] <wgrant> Oh, but it uses its own identifier?
[04:21] <wgrant> Then how does it find the old account at all?
[04:21] <StevenK> Now?
[04:21] <wgrant> When it fails
[04:22] <StevenK> Running the test under pdb so I can see what's what.
[04:22] <wgrant> (note that self.email.account = None is effectively a no-op; the column hasn't existed for 12 months so that just creates a new unused attribute, but I clearly didn't catch all the callsites)
[04:22] <StevenK> Hah
[04:23] <StevenK> Right, so the case is OpenID == None, and email == <address>
[04:23] <StevenK> And email.person.account is None
[04:24] <wgrant> Right
[04:24] <wgrant> So it should create an account
[04:24] <wgrant> How does it end up with a personless one?
[04:24] <StevenK> I think the error is misleading
[04:24] <wgrant> Is the account itself None?
[04:24] <StevenK> It should assert "Could not find Person from account" or something
[04:24] <wgrant> No
[04:24] <StevenK> (Pdb) p email.person
[04:24] <StevenK> <Person at 0x10133110 acc2436244 (Displayname)>
[04:24] <wgrant> If an account doesn't have a person, it's personless
[04:24] <StevenK> (Pdb) p email.person.account
[04:24] <StevenK> None
[04:24] <wgrant> The error is correct
[04:24] <wgrant> Sure
[04:25] <wgrant> But what is "account" in "person = IPerson(account, None)"?
[04:25] <StevenK> account will be set to email.person.account
[04:25] <wgrant> In the latest diff I have, you've removed the account creation code
[04:25] <StevenK> In this case
[04:25] <wgrant> So account may be None
[04:25] <StevenK> So None
[04:25] <wgrant> Right
[04:25] <wgrant> There's your problem
[04:26] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515737/
[04:26] <wgrant> Right
[04:26] <wgrant> Note the suspiciously deleted AccountSet.new, with no replacement
[04:28] <StevenK> Right, now resurrected
[04:29] <wgrant> (an accountless person is probably inactive, so it's covered by the "if person is not active" block in my pseudocode)
[04:29] <wgrant> In fact, I think an accountless person must be inactive
[04:29]  * wgrant checks
[04:30] <wgrant> Well
[04:30] <wgrant> yes
[04:30] <wgrant> They have to be
[04:30] <wgrant> Since activeness is defined by account.status :)
[04:30] <StevenK> Haha
[04:31] <StevenK> Now I get IntegrityError: null value in column "account" violates not-null constraint
[04:31] <wgrant> launchpad_dogfood=# SELECT COUNT(*) FROM person WHERE teamowner IS NULL AND account IS NULL AND EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM emailaddress WHERE status = 4 AND person = person.id);
[04:31] <wgrant>  count
[04:31] <wgrant> -------
[04:31] <wgrant>      0
[04:31] <wgrant> (1 row)
[04:31] <wgrant> StevenK: That sounds like it's talking about OpenIDIdentifier.account?
[04:32] <StevenK> Ah, yeah. I can't create the account that late.
[04:32] <wgrant> Note also that my pseudocode assumes that account has ceased to exist, so it might need some adjustment
[04:32] <wgrant> I had planned to destroy Account by last March, but that didn't eventuate
[04:32] <wgrant> Due to SSO
[04:32] <StevenK> Right, and OpenIDIdentifier.account is NOT NULL, so that is fine
[04:35] <StevenK> Bleh, stop erroring, I create a account
[04:36] <StevenK> And it should be added to the store by IAccountSet.new, so I'm not sure why that assert trips
[04:47] <StevenK> Bleh, the account isn't added to the store in IAccountSet.new
[04:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, I have the test_personset tests passing
[05:00] <wgrant> Great
[05:01] <StevenK> That's ... comforting. No logintoken failures, even though I removed 70 lines of code.
[05:02] <wgrant> Wasn't most of that from the browser code, though?
[05:02] <wgrant> It's probably in the OpenPGP validation workflow tests
[05:03] <StevenK> +14/-97 including browser code
[05:04] <StevenK> Hmm, bin/test -vvt openpgp has no love
[05:04] <wgrant> They'll be named gpg, I suspect
[05:04] <StevenK> Yeah, -t gpg running now
[05:05] <StevenK> lib/lp/registry/stories/gpg-coc/xx-gpg-coc.txt is the failure
[05:20] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515800/
[05:30] <wgrant> StevenK: Why don't you use AccountSet.new/
[05:31] <wgrant> Also, now that we don't attempt to move email addresses around the team ownership check can be just before the person creation bit
[05:31] <StevenK> wgrant: The comment before explains it:
[05:31] <StevenK>                         # IAccountSet.new() creates an OpenIdIdentifier, which
[05:31] <StevenK>                         # we do below.
[05:31] <wgrant> StevenK: It's an optional argument
[05:32] <StevenK> Oh, I misread it as 'is None'
[05:33] <wgrant> So yeah, I'd move the team address check into the same place it is in my pseudocode
[05:33] <wgrant> That is, the 'if email is not None' becomes 'if email is not None and not email.person.is_team'
[05:33] <wgrant> And then a new elif after that which rejects login if the address is team-owned
[05:34] <StevenK> Yes, just wrote that
[05:34] <wgrant> Also, we might as well make that whole thing identifier-driven
[05:35] <wgrant> So the 'if identifier is not None' bit goes away
[05:36] <StevenK> Hm?
[05:36] <StevenK> Not sure I understand what you mean
[05:36] <wgrant> I was a little unclear
[05:36] <wgrant> But basically I don't think the 'account' local var is valuable
[05:36] <wgrant> person = IPerson(account, None) should be
[05:36] <wgrant> person = IPerson(identifier.account, None)
[05:36] <wgrant> That is, before then you just ensure that identifier is set properly
[05:36] <wgrant> If identifier is not None then you don't have to do anything
[05:37] <wgrant> If identifier *is* None, then you have to go through the email address check
[05:37] <wgrant> So all the email stuff can be inside an 'if identifier is None' block
[05:37] <wgrant> To make it clearer that the identifier completely wins if it exists.
[05:39] <StevenK> Just running tests, and I can post a new diff
[05:40] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515818/
[05:52] <wgrant> StevenK: I reworked it to hopefully be a bit clearer. What do you think? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515824/
[05:54] <StevenK> Looks good
[05:54] <wgrant> (this method has a hilarious history of bugs and misreadings, so I think we should make this rewrite as understandable as we can)
[05:57] <StevenK> wgrant: So, looks good enough to propose, or we should go further?
[05:59] <wgrant> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515841/
[05:59] <wgrant> Now it's much more understandable, I think
[06:01] <wgrant> So propose away :)
[06:28] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/openid-identifier-is-the-new-black/+merge/142641
[06:36] <wgrant> StevenK: In testEmailAddressAccountAndOpenIDAccountAreDifferent can you check that the email account is unchanged?
[06:41] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1515904/
[06:46] <wgrant> StevenK: Sounds reasonable.
[06:46] <StevenK> It even passes
[06:46] <StevenK> wgrant: Any other issues?
[06:46] <wgrant> Nope
[06:47] <StevenK> Hmm, can we actually QA this without going insane?
[06:47] <wgrant> To some extent
[06:47] <wgrant> I'll do it, because I have lots of accounts that I'm not too afraid of breaking
[06:48] <wgrant> And I know all too well how to break this :)
[06:49] <StevenK>  16415. By Steve Kowalik 2 minutes ago
[06:49] <StevenK>     Assert the e-mail account is unmolested in testEmailAddressAccountAndOpenIDAccountAreDifferent.
[06:50] <StevenK> Dear lp-land, why is the private bug in the commit message, but the public one isn't?
[06:51] <wgrant> Because I unlinked the public one, because it doesn't fix it
[06:51] <wgrant> :)
[06:51] <StevenK> Thanks for the lack of warning :-P
[06:52] <wgrant> I try
[06:54] <StevenK> wgrant: Warning if the accounts are different will fix it?
[06:55] <wgrant> StevenK: That bug sort of encompasses the weaknesses in our workflow that I identify in my rather large comment
[06:55] <wgrant> It includes more than just email conflicts.
[06:55] <StevenK> Right.
[06:55] <StevenK> So this branch fixes *part* of it
[06:56] <wgrant> Um
[06:56] <wgrant> Sort of
[06:56] <wgrant> Not reallty
[07:30]  * StevenK glares at the test failure
[07:39] <StevenK> wgrant: Hmmm
[07:40] <StevenK> wgrant: I think the test fails because we only croak if there is no OpenID identifier
[07:40] <StevenK> We pass one, get an account, login_called is True, test goes bang
[07:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, the test probably assumes that we won't allow login with a team address at all, whereas we've now relaxed that to just failing the account creation case
[07:45] <wgrant> Adjust the test to use a new OpenID identifier
[07:47] <StevenK> I've been trying to work out where we even pass in the identifier
[07:48] <wgrant> StevenK: _createViewWithResponse gets it from the provided account
[07:49] <StevenK> Passing None as the account is probably a silly idea?
[07:51] <wgrant> Well, it won't work
[07:52] <StevenK> Indeed, it doesn't
[07:52] <wgrant> You'll need to alter _createViewWithResponse to alternatively take an identifier string
[07:52] <StevenK> And that's the first argument to FakeOpenIDResponse?
[07:53] <wgrant>         openid_response = FakeOpenIDResponse(
[07:53] <wgrant>             ITestOpenIDPersistentIdentity(account).openid_identity_url,
[07:53] <wgrant>             status=response_status, message=response_msg,
[07:53] <wgrant>             email=email, full_name='Foo User')
[07:53] <wgrant> It would certainly seem to be
[07:56] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1516114/
[07:56] <StevenK> I'll land it when I get home
[08:01] <wgrant> StevenK: Right
[08:50] <adeuring> good morning


[05:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:06] <oerlaptop> hi lordievader :-)
[07:06] <oerlaptop> early bird :-P
[07:08] <lordievader> Hey oerlaptop
[07:09] <lordievader> Early to work, early to go back home 😉
[07:09] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:09] <oerlaptop> good, waiting for a repairman, and how do you do?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader & oerlaptop
[07:12] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:12] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx and you?
[07:12] <lordievader> oerlaptop: Doing good here :)
[07:12] <lordievader> oerlaptop: What kind of repairman?
[07:12] <oerlaptop> ha, our roomsoesjes-man
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:12] <lordievader> XD
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> oerlaptop: artful been tested well?
[07:14] <oerlaptop> this lap is working great, for an ancient vista machine
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> what ssd brand oerlaptop
[07:15] <EriC^^> morning guys
[07:15] <oerlaptop> adata, 60 gb
[07:15] <oerlaptop> hi di hi EriC^^
[07:15] <EriC^^> moin oerlaptop , how dae got tae?
[07:16] <oerlaptop> i wonder who is more happy, me or him finding out it will be of good use
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[07:16] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> oerlaptop: its a workover for a friend?
[07:16] <oerlaptop> jups, used in an office
[07:16] <oerlaptop> now they al have win10
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:30] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:35] <oerlaptop> hi ducasse
[07:37] <ducasse> morning, oerlaptop
[07:37] <ducasse> still happy with the new laptop?
[07:46] <oerlaptop> sure, stood up early for it
[07:46] <oerlaptop> but battery is not charging at all :-(
[07:47] <ducasse> are you buying a new one?
[07:54] <oerlaptop> Yes, as it is not that expensive, it would be wise
[07:54] <oerlaptop> 30 euro, i was thinking 60 euro+
[08:11] <lordievader> That is quite cheap. Official one or an unknown brand?
[08:11] <ducasse> that's actually pretty cheap, yes
[08:14] <oerlaptop> not from acer..
[08:15] <oerlaptop> https://www.replacedirect.nl/category/119311-101031/acer-aspire-5738g-laptop-accus.html#product
[08:16] <oerlaptop> or an original 4400ah or double, but might have a bulb that sticks out
[08:17] <oerlaptop> free shipping too
[08:18] <ducasse> my new cable modem is expected today, will give me an extra 100mbps
[08:19] <ducasse> built-in wifi router, hope i can just bridge it and use it as just a modem
[08:24] <oerlaptop> grrrrrrrr coupon 5 euro ... order €30 or more... 5 cents
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> oerlaptop: i also order spare parts on that site
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> very nice service
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:36] <pauljw> morning BluesKaj
[12:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[12:45] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, pauljw - how are you guys today?
[12:46] <pauljw> hi ducasse, good here, you?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, doing ok here, hanging in as the saying goes, how about you?
[12:47] <ducasse> i'm fine, thanks - soon heading down to the city for a bit
[12:49] <BluesKaj> was going to pick my son up at the airport, but the hwys are covered ice from freezing rain...dunno if his filght will be on time anyway
[12:50] <TJ-> BluesKaj: tell him to hire a parachute and a helicopter :D
[12:50] <BluesKaj> ice covered rather
[12:51] <BluesKaj> uhhm, helis don't fly in this ewather TJ- ;-)
[12:51] <ducasse> snowing here, but not heavily - yet. forecast says it's coming, though.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> weather even
[12:54] <JimBunbtu> Thanks to the local rain, I'm looking out my window at almost no snow. Blessed be the rains that melt the snow.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> i prefer snow ...rain is useless in winter
[12:58] <BluesKaj> but i gew up i with real winters so we took advantage of the the fun one could have doing winter sports and activities
[13:02] <JimBunbtu> BluesKaj, I grew up with what I consider to be real winters as well... sub 40 latitude. While I do enjoy the occasional activity in the snow, I prefer not having to deal with it... all that to say I don't get my way very often and we have more snow-time than no-snow-time
[13:04] <BluesKaj> JimBunbtu, right I live in Northern Ontario Canada 46' N  so we have long winters or at least we did until 10yrs ago or so
[13:05] <JimBunbtu> BluesKaj, weather has been odd for the last 10 or so years, hopefully it's simply part of the long cycle.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> yup, hopefully it's the 1000 yr warming cycle that had a climate in which wild grapes could grow in places like Newfoundland
[13:09] <BluesKaj> and not the global warming that climatotlogists are yelling about
[13:09] <JimBunbtu> yummy yummy wild grapes. Stay away from the moonseed though!
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, the Vikings were surprised  when they discovererd them growing in Nfld
[13:17] <JimBunbtu> "Vinland"
[13:25] <JimBunbtu> BluesKaj, I'm just a wee south of you now, winters are surely stronger and longer.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> JimBunbtu, where is that?
[13:29] <JimBunbtu> around 43 lat
[14:16] <JimBunbtu> It's raining and I absolutely love it. Perhaps today I will muster up the will to check out that Unity update.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma user here, never understood unity's appeal :-)
[14:18] <BluesKaj> or gnome
[14:33] <jink> bash.
[14:35] <JimBunbtu> I spend most of my time in Bash shells. I don't really have a draw to KDE/Gnome or any other and mainly go with default for the distro. I haven't found any sufficiently bad enough to make me yak yet.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> I'm an old windows guy and I'm used to gui, but since discovering linux I've migrated to the terminal for a lot of uses
[15:27] <ducasse> i live in terminals and use terminal-based alternatives for a lot of applications
[15:32] <BluesKaj> i3 ?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> i3 wm rather
[15:54] <ducasse> i3, yes. i've been playing with sway on wayland, but wayland just isn't ready yet.
[15:55] <ducasse> i3 is excellent for managing lots of terminals. i also use tmux inside them, though.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> right
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yakuake is about as adventurous as I get in the cli realm
[16:03] <JimBuntu> +1 for tmux
[16:11] <ducasse> i also played with terminator, but handling window splitting etc in tmux is just nicer
[16:13] <BluesKaj> for gui, i use a combo of activities and VDs for different fav apps
[16:14] <BluesKaj> and an actitvty pager in the panel
[16:15] <ducasse> i have a lot of desktops split across 3 screens, not familiar with 'activities'
[16:19] <JimBuntu> ducasse, Are they different computers? If so, have you checked out Synergy for a single KB/Mouse to control everything?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> activities is a kde/plasma thing, but I use a single screen monitor which is my Panasonic 43" plasma TV
[16:24] <ducasse> JimBuntu: no, same box. there's only one computer on that desk. i know synergy, might use it if i decide to set up my mac mini again.
[16:25] <JimBuntu> ducasse, I absolutely love Synergy. I'm using 5 machines spread across 9 monitors, it really saves me from headaches.
[16:30] <ducasse> i can imagine that, thankfully i don't need to spread my focus across 9 screens :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> no need for multiple screens being a home user
[16:45]  * TJ- whistles innocently
[16:45]  * nicomachus searches his history for TJ-'s battlestation pics
[16:46] <nicomachus> with all... was it 6?... monitors
[16:47] <TJ-> Aye :) plus another 4 laptops within reach
[16:47] <TJ-> Place is one heck of a mess right now, not even room for my mug on the worktop :)
[16:50] <JimBuntu> This was already a 2-computer desk by design... I figured why not take it up a notch and make shelves for more monitors and simply use the desktop space for laptops ;-D
[16:52] <TJ-> Yeah, I've 5 wall-mounted monitors around the corner plus the laptop driving them, then the rest around the sides on the worktop
[16:56] <JimBuntu> I don't think I could reasonably justify any more over here. Even with them angled in at me, I still have to move my head a bit depending on which one I need to look at.
[16:57] <TJ-> JimBuntu: I sit in the corner where the 2 walls meet, so all I do is swivel the chair slightly
[16:57] <JimBuntu> TJ-, lucky you with your "corner office" lol.
[16:57] <TJ-> I use a BT keyboard and mouse, and they are on a lap-stand across my legs so it makes things comfortable
[16:58]  * BluesKaj sits in an easy chair with wireless KB and mouse about 3M away from the screen...pc is the floor below the table theat holds all my components and TV
[16:58] <TJ-> BluesKaj: how larger physically is the screen, at 3m away?
[16:59] <TJ-> I'm about 75cm from my monitors - they're 24" 1920x1200, with the laptop being 15" 1920x1200
[16:59] <BluesKaj> it's a media center sort of ...TV is 43" screen TJ-
[16:59] <JimBuntu> I can swivel 90 to the right... if I need to get up... if I swivel another 90 degrees to the right then I am facing a workbench with other gear on it. I call it "cozy", many would probably call it cramped.
[17:00] <TJ-> BluesKaj: wow, so you can still see the pixels then! I did consider larger screens but it'd mean sitting further away
[17:01] <BluesKaj> yeah I use a 18 sized font for these old eyes, with regular 1920x1080 res
[17:01] <TJ-> JimBuntu: I've got a mini datacenter to my left, and electronics workbench to the right http://iam.tj/photos/Study-workstation.jpg (in that picture the electronics stuff was right next to me but now it's other end of the right-side bench about 3 meters away)
[17:03] <TJ-> BluesKaj: yes, I've considered that - In the new place I'm planning on a couple of 4K 42"+ wall-mounted screens and be able to sit well back from them, as an alternative to smaller screens when I want to rest my eyes
[17:03] <JimBuntu> TJ-, lol, we have similar gear... although I don't see a streo-macroscope in the pic, I do see an arm for what I suspect is a lamped magnifying glass. I really need to clean up around here so I can take some pics
[17:03] <TJ-> JimBuntu: angle-poise magnify/lamp yes, and there's another arm with a camera on
[17:04] <JimBuntu> It's hard to beat a magnified video feed when you want to complain to a fabricator about their shoddy work!
[17:05] <TJ-> I've got a Raspi with a screen and a BitScope attached too
[17:05] <nicomachus> Looks like Bodhi Linux didn't fix the 17.10 lenovo bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/7yq9r4/help_ive_bricked_3_motherboards_trying_to_install/
[17:06] <JimBuntu> TJ, your KB looks like it's from the future. Is it blank or is that the lighting?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> this is basically a media center with pc integration with audio spdif out to a an audio receiver and hdmi to the tv
[17:08] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I bet it's nice to sit in the living room using that big screen.
[17:08] <TJ-> JimBuntu: KB? keyboard?
[17:09] <nicomachus> TJ-: so much WHITE
[17:09] <nicomachus> makes my eyes hurt
[17:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I find I cannot focus on programming/hacking sat on a comfy chair, I need to be in an operator/desk chair
[17:09] <JimBuntu> TJ, I think it's your keyboard... between the chair and the laptop, left of the mouse.
[17:10] <TJ-> nicomachus: that was the camera over-exposing; Generally the screens are mostly black / dark themed
[17:10] <nicomachus> I would hope. ouch.
[17:10] <TJ-> JimBuntu: It's an old Apple BT wireless keyboard A1016... beautiful smooth action
[17:11] <JimBuntu> interesting TJ. I like the way it looks in the pic, basically without any symbols on it.
[17:11] <TJ-> nicomachus: yes, it's those Samsung LCDs with very powerful backligts... the portrait to the right is a Dell U2412 EPS which is much better, and much cooler!
[17:12] <TJ-> JimBuntu: I have 2 of them; the other is German layout, and I get /so/ lost on that since Y Z etc are swapped around!
[17:12] <TJ-> Plus I find Debian/Ubuntu keyboard layouts don't exactly match them
[17:38] <ducasse> i got a das keyboard pro 4 with cherry blue switches a while back, been *so* happy with it. just can't consider going back to anything but a proper mechanical keyboard now.
[17:38] <nacc> ducasse: funnily enough, i also just got the same keyboard
[17:38] <nacc> ducasse: i had tried a matias quite pro and had to return two of them
[17:38] <nacc> for dying on me
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:43] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[17:43] <ducasse> nacc: you happy with yours? what switches did you get?
[17:45] <nacc> ducasse: first full day using it for me, but so far so good!
[17:45] <nacc> ducasse: i got the brown switches
[17:47] <ducasse> so, a bit quieter than mine. i've got nobody else around me to complain about the clicking :)
[17:48] <nacc> ducasse: yeah, i'm on a lot of calls
[17:52] <OerHeks> please stop clicking guys
[17:52] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:53] <BluesKaj> TJ-, I can tell you one gets used to a comfortable chair very quickly. I also used a desk and swivel chair for a while in my den, but felt isolated there so i moved the pc into the living room and i haven't looked back. I'm retired from work and the desk/chair relationship :-)
[17:55] <TJ-> BluesKaj: my problem is I'd have dogs trying to curl up on me, and I'd lean back and nod off :D
[17:56] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with nodding off ...I do it all the time, but I'm old :-)
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> 1613 users in main
[18:13] <TJ-> or just lots of bots logging the channel!
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: in april its gonna overload again :p
[18:17]  * TJ- books a 3 month vacation ... for April!
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[18:19] <OerHeks> without bouncers, 300 ?
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> humans or robots, all help fill the room :p


[09:05] <mantas-baltix> Hi, could someone nominate this bug for fixing in LTS releases - bug #1644996 ?
[09:06] <seb128> mantas-baltix, you can probably nominate it so it's on the list to review
[09:07] <mantas-baltix> seb128: I don't have enough rights - link "nominate" dissapears when I login into launchpad.net
[09:08] <mantas-baltix> seb128: my launchpad login name is mantas
[09:09] <seb128> I meant propose for nomination
[09:09] <seb128> but yeah, accepting nominates require special team permission
[09:15] <mantas-baltix> seb128: how to propose for nomination?
[09:18] <seb128> mantas-baltix, I though that people had an action bellow the bug table for that but I can't confirm since my account has the acl to do the nomination ... anyway, tag it rls-bb-incoming then then it's on the rls bugs review list
[09:18] <seb128> mantas-baltix, I'm not nominating it directly because wtihout an assignee it's not really useful to do that
[09:18] <seb128> or ask directly x_nox if he wants to handle the SRU since he did the fix in disco?
[09:24] <mantas-baltix> xnox: it seems you fixed bug #1644996 in development release, could you backport to LTS ?
[09:28] <mantas-baltix> seb128: what about bug #1781746 and bug #1811447 ? One simple 3 lines patch from Debian and Ubuntu users with SSD will be hapier ;)
[09:32] <seb128> mantas-baltix, that sounds like something foundations would know better than me, anyway as mentioned before, the proper process to have those reviexwed is to rls-<nn>-incoming tag them
[09:32] <mantas-baltix> tag rls-bb-incoming in bug 1781746 was added long time ago, but no reaction from Ubuntu developers :(
[09:34] <seb128> bdmurray, ^ do you know why that one is not showing up on the report?
[09:35] <seb128> mantas-baltix, thx for pointing that out, it's not being picked up, either I'm overlooking something or there is a bug in the tool generating the report
[12:02] <mantas-baltix> xnox: thanks
[13:30] <cjwatson> infinity: Would you like to state an opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/361825, since your name was mentioned in a review?
[15:06] <bdmurray> seb128: I see it on the report for rls-bb-incoming
[15:07] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, right it's listed now, I wonder if that was a transient issue
[15:07] <seb128> bdmurray, also how often does foundations review that list? seems several of those bugs have been sitting there for a while
[15:08] <bdmurray> seb128: the -bb one we review less often but did look at a couple of weeks ago for the point release
[15:09] <seb128> bdmurray, I guess you just did skip over the ones which you didn't want to consider but didn't try to triage those/comment/whatever?
[15:12] <bdmurray> seb128: ah, I misspoke / typed. We looked at rls-bb-tracking not rls-bb-incoming, I'll have a look at those this week. Also there are hundreds so its a lot to triage.
[15:17] <seb128> bdmurray, only 32 for foundations :) and yeah, that's what you get for not looking at that list regularly :p
[15:18] <seb128> bdmurray, we review our rls<nn>-incoming list every week in our team meeting for desktop since that's how issues are supposed to be escalated etc
[15:59] <rbasak> If I lxc launch ubuntu-daily:disco and then upgrade it up to proposed, then after a reboot /etc/resolv.conf is missing and therefore an apt update fails. This is causing autopkgtest -U --apt-pocket=proposed to fail.
[16:05] <rbasak> Actually it doesn't disappear; it's the symlink target(../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf) that doesn't seem to get recreated after reboot.
[16:06] <rbasak>   Process: 290 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-resolved (code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE)
[16:14] <TJ-> rbasak: could it be related to the systemd unified cgroup hierarchy? I'm not familiar with what may have changed in that area for 19.04 though
[16:16] <rbasak> I pinned systemd when upgrading to proposed and the problem doesn't reproduce.
[16:16] <rbasak> So I'm pretty sure it's a regression in systemd from 239-7ubuntu15 to 240-5ubuntu1
[16:18] <rbasak> Yes unholding and upgrading to systemd 240-5ubuntu1 breaks it.
[16:20] <TJ-> rbasak: related to systemd 5f086dc7db possibly?
[16:20] <TJ-> "cgroup: Imply systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1 on cgroup_no_v1=all"
[16:55] <rbasak> I filed bug 1813622
[16:56] <rbasak> xnox: FYI ^
[17:35] <xnox> rbasak, yeah, intersting
[17:35] <xnox> rbasak, i wonder if it's been crazy since v239 or only just regressed in the last upload.
[17:35] <xnox> it would make more sense if this is a regression since the release pocket (v239->v240) jump. Rather than the relatively minor 240-2ubuntu2 -> 240-5ubuntu1 jump.
[17:36] <xnox> well, my lxd is busted
[17:36] <xnox> $ sudo lxc launch ubuntu-daily:disco
[17:36] <xnox> cannot read mount namespace identifier of pid 1: Permission denied
[17:38] <teward> rbasak: confirmed the same behavior, should I mark that as "Confirmed"?
[17:38] <xnox> rbasak, symlink target ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf is generated/written by systemd-resolved.... so if that unit fails, one will not have resolved today.
[17:39] <xnox> rbasak, teward - and i cannot run lxd at all.... what is your host os?
[17:39] <xnox> bionic?
[17:39] <teward> xnox: rbasak replicated with a Disco host, my host is Bionic
[17:39] <teward> running the LXD Snap
[17:40] <teward> same version of the snap too :P
[17:41] <teward> xnox: do you want me to mark the bug as confirmed in the interim?
[17:41] <xnox> probably
[17:41] <xnox> i want to know if my lxd is busted, or snapd is busted
[17:41] <xnox> $ lxc list
[17:41] <xnox> cannot read mount namespace identifier of pid 1: Permission denied
[17:41] <xnox> is very odd.
[17:42] <teward> that is very odd but my guess is the mount namespace would be snapd
[17:42] <teward> since IIRC doesn't that do the mounting?
[17:48] <xnox> all other snaps fail too.
[17:49] <xnox> so now i'm not sure how come it's broken for me. and got to run to volleyball
[17:50] <teward> xnox: sudo apt install --reinstall snapd?
[17:50] <teward> since it sounds more like a permissions problem than it does a systemd one
[17:50] <xnox> teward, heh worth it!
[17:50] <teward> (maybe)
[17:50] <teward> *watches xnox torch snapd on their system with his suggestion* oopsies :P
[17:51] <xnox> teward, it helped!
[17:52] <xnox> teward, you are genious! thanks =)
[17:52] <teward> wait that worked?  :P
[17:52] <xnox> yes!
[17:52] <teward> i was just totally throwing a random "Maybe this will work!" out there, but I guess it did work xD
[17:53] <teward> xnox: next task is to see whether a snapd regression happened :p
[17:53] <teward> because maybe snapd is horibly borken xD
[17:53] <teward> ... in this case my keyboard is but meh
[17:53] <xnox> still can't launch a container, but at least it is executing the lxc client
[17:54] <teward> xnox: maybe you have to uninstall and reinstall the snap too?
[17:54] <teward> sounds like your snapd got recursively screwed by something :P
[17:57] <xnox> ok, rbasak testing if v240-4ubuntu1 was busted too
[18:02] <teward> xnox: so you got it working again?  xD
[18:02] <teward> did you have to delete and install the snap again :p
[18:07] <rbasak> teward: thank you for reproducing!
[18:09] <xnox> rbasak, and yeah this is a v240 regression.
[18:09] <xnox> rbasak, lovely how most of our tests manage to pass on most architectures...... i really need an autopkgtest which pulls things from proposed, and ensures that lxd guests remain non-degraded.
[18:09] <xnox> systemd-networkd is also affected
[18:09] <xnox> fun
[18:10] <xnox> rbasak, do you have powers to RM systemd from disco-proposed for now?
[18:10] <rbasak> xnox: I do not, sorry.
[18:10] <xnox> doko, vorlon - if you are around please RM systemd from disco-proposed
[18:10] <xnox> it's batshit crazy =)
[18:10] <rbasak> Removal would be very helpful to me, thanks.
[18:10] <rbasak> (saves me working around)
[18:17] <vorlon> xnox: done
[18:17] <vorlon> xnox: should the version previously in -proposed be restored?
[18:58] <teward> vorlon: was it v240?  because I think xnox just confirmed this is a v240-wide regression
[18:58] <teward> (I don't have a say in removal / restoration I know but :P)
[19:01] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[19:02] <cyphermox> ye[
[23:42] <xnox> vorlon, do not restore anything, thanks =)


[01:06] <Eickmeyer> dbungert: So... one gigantic false alarm? Just tried with last night's build and, like you, I can't reproduce. Must've been a transient issue.
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> I even updated with the latest live-settings package to make sure.
[09:10] <schopin> mitya57: no, not sure at all, I just weighed the probabilities :). Similarly, I'm not sure *all* copies of six needed to be updated. I figured I'd rather avoid another 8h build.
[09:10] <schopin> mitya57: if you plan another upload could you fix the symbols file? I accidentally left a packaging version in there :/
[09:31] <mitya57> schopin: Thanks for clarifying! I don't see any problem with version in your symbols changes, the version for new symbols is 5.15.2.
[09:32] <mitya57> But I did a slightly better fix in git, using {time_t} subst.
[09:32] <schopin> Whatever works :)
[19:14] <ahasenack> juliank: for apt's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1995790 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/2051181 the jammy dep8 errors seem to have been cleared?
[19:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1995790 in apt (Ubuntu Mantic) "regression: ?garbage does not work correctly in install commands" [High, Fix Committed]
[19:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2051181 in apt (Ubuntu Mantic) "apt cannot upgrade phased updates if the current security version is same as updates" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[19:14] <juliank> ahasenack: thanks for noticing, yes that seems ready now
[19:15] <juliank> ahasenack: marked verification-done
[19:41] <ahasenack> brb


[18:34] <avi1> exit
[19:38] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: hi, what's up
[19:40] <Rocket2DMn> hi dhillon-v10
[19:40] <Rocket2DMn> not much, watchin football and doing some forum support
[19:40] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: nice, I am writing some docs. that Phill commented on before
[19:41] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: it was a rough draft of gnome-display
[19:41] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i saw those emails
[19:41] <Rocket2DMn> both phil and dougie made some good points
[19:44] <DWonderly> creating the Docs for UNR...
[19:44] <DWonderly> what all goes into that?
[19:44] <Rocket2DMn> I don't know
[19:44] <Rocket2DMn> I haven't written any docs from scratch, and I don't know much about UNR
[19:48] <DWonderly> I use the UNR as my main system...
[19:48] <DWonderly> hence my question... hmmz
[19:49] <Rocket2DMn> i have a UNR install on my laptop, but i dont user the UNR interface anymore, it got in the way more than making things easier
[19:49] <Rocket2DMn> its not a netboot, so i have some screen space to spare
[19:49] <DWonderly> yeah, I have a netbook
[23:17] <DWonderly> Anyone have an ETA when the Wiki will be back online?
[23:21] <DWonderly> NM working n ow