[00:01] <skaet> ubuntu desktop and alternate is up on the iso tracker now
[00:02] <jdstrand> skaet: I'm past eod atm. is there anything you need from me now? do you need me to check in later?
[00:02] <skaet> jdstrand,  if you could check in later that would be appreciated.
[00:04] <skaet> right now, just flavor building images,  and waiting for the arm ones to be ready.
[00:05]  * skaet -> dinner,  biab
[00:06] <jdstrand> kdebindings/kde on armel update: depends on working qt4-x11, which is being worked on first
[00:07] <jdstrand> (actively being worked on that is)
[00:07] <jdstrand> skaet: ack
[00:07]  * jdstrand -> dinner, etc
[00:08] <ogra> jdstrand, if qt4-x11 is broken now it wont make a2 on armel
[00:08] <ogra> (takes to long to build)
[00:09] <jdstrand> ogra: I'm just passing along info from NCommander
[00:09] <ogra> ah
[00:09] <jdstrand> he is aware of both issues and is actively working on fixing qt4-x11
[00:09] <ogra> we are expecting a new qt upstream any day now (according to riddell)
[00:09] <jdstrand> once that is done, he'll start on kdebindings
[00:10] <ogra> yes, i know i just talked to him about it ;)
[00:10] <jdstrand> hehe
[00:10] <jdstrand> well, there you go :)
[00:10] <jdstrand> nice that we all understand each other
[00:10] <ogra> heh
[00:10] <jdstrand> ok, biab myself
[00:18] <jdstrand> skaet: fyi, the dvd build issues should be fixed. seems they tried to snag empathy-common (= 2.32.2-0ubuntu7). empathy 2.32.2-0ubuntu8 on powerpc only finished building 45 minutes ago and the publisher hadn't copied them yet
[00:18] <jdstrand> ok, biab for reals
[00:30] <ogra> skaet, go !
[00:31]  * ogra is off to bed
[00:42] <skaet> ogra, okie.   sleep well.
[01:03] <GrueMaster> skaet: I agree.  Everything looks good on this end.
[01:03] <skaet> Thanks GrueMaster.   Am waiting for the ubuntu dvd build to come to an end, then will be kicking it off.
[01:04] <GrueMaster> np.  I'll look for it in a few hours.
[01:04] <skaet> :)  will post here when I publish to iso tracker.
[01:41] <jdstrand> skaet: I am around again
[01:41] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.
[01:42] <jdstrand> skaet: it seems that things are going ok, but I am only getting failure reports so not sure what the actual status is
[01:42] <skaet> we still had the daily builds enabled it appears.
[01:42] <jdstrand> (the two I mentioned (powerpc) are the only feedback I've seen)
[01:43] <skaet> they're off now,  and the ubuntu DVD just finished building.
[01:43] <jdstrand> \o/
[01:43] <jdstrand> so I was right about libreoffice. always nice :)
[01:43] <jdstrand> well
[01:43] <skaet> I'm about to kick off the netbook builds
[01:43] <jdstrand> I was intially wrong, but then ended right
[01:44] <skaet> and expect that if there is any trouble, that's where we'll see it.
[01:44] <jdstrand> I score that as +1 for jdstrand
[01:44] <skaet> :)
[01:44] <jdstrand> skaet: how long do they typically take?
[01:44] <skaet> suggest you check back in an hour or so
[01:45] <skaet> I'm not sure on the arm side, depends on the builders.
[01:45] <jdstrand> there are a lot of natty_probs for arm. mostly kde, but still a lot
[01:45]  * skaet nods
[01:46] <skaet> I'm not building kubuntu mobile this time round, based on earlier feedback.  Its already documented in the release notes.
[01:46] <jdstrand> cool
[01:55] <skaet> ubuntu dvd's are up on the iso tracker now, for those interested.
[02:14] <GrueMaster> Sigh.  Latest X has issues on armel.  namely it segfaults on start.
[02:14] <GrueMaster> Tracing it now.
[02:18] <skaet> GrueMaster, ack. :(
[02:18] <GrueMaster> yep.
[02:37] <skaet> edubuntu dvd's are up on the iso tracker now.
[03:06] <slangasek> skaet: bug #711614, if it doesn't break all hardware that uses the framebuffer driver, at least breaks X on all common ARM hardware.  Working on a fix now; do you want me to upload when I have it?
[03:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711614 in xserver-xorg-video-fbdev (Ubuntu) "X crashes on OMAP BeagleBoard C4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711614
[03:07] <skaet> slangasek, yes please.
[03:07] <slangasek> ok
[03:07] <slangasek> (it's possible it really is ARM-specific, but AFAICS the same segfault would happen in the PCI codepath)
[03:09]  * skaet crosses fingers crossed its ARM-specific.
[03:09] <slangasek> well, it doesn't affect anything using the common video drivers (nouveau/intel/radeon)
[03:09] <slangasek> but I think it does affect anything using framebuffer
[03:10] <GrueMaster> That could mean VM's I would think.
[03:23] <slangasek> k, X working here again
[03:26] <slangasek> xserver-xorg-video-fbdev 0.4.2-3ubuntu4 uploaded
[03:56] <skaet> ubuntu-netbook preinstalled finished building,  20110202 is there, but I'm kicking off a fresh one, to pick up xserver-xorg-video-fbdev upload.
[03:57] <GrueMaster> skaet: I don't think the new package has published yet.  May want to wait an hour.  Let me see.
[04:01] <GrueMaster> Yea, need to wait for the next publisher run to complete before respinning the images.
[04:02] <skaet> GrueMaster,  ack.  ok will kill it off.
[04:02] <skaet> GrueMaster, please let me know when you see it published so it will pick up.
[04:03] <GrueMaster> I think it will show up in the next hour.  I was told that the publisher starts at :03 and takes ~40 minutes.
[04:25] <jdstrand> skaet: so, seems like things are in general still ok (except the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev you are waiting on)
[04:26] <jdstrand> skaet: GrueMaster was right though. usually by :40 it is ready
[04:26] <skaet> jdstrand, couple of weirdnesses with the builds
[04:26] <skaet> jdstrand, I'll get you to show me how I can check directly next time :)
[04:27] <jdstrand> GrueMaster: in the future, it is possible for me (or cjwatson, or pitti, et al) to reschedule the publisher run if it is required
[04:27] <jdstrand> err
[04:27] <jdstrand> skaet: ^
[04:27] <jdstrand> GrueMaster: nm
[04:28] <jdstrand> skaet: where did you see the weirdness? I don't have the emails
[04:28] <skaet> in terms of the weirdnesses,  for flavors mythbuntu and ubuntu studio,  only i386 versions were produced.  Not sure why no amd64 came out.
[04:29] <skaet> does that trigger any prior conversations?
[04:29] <jdstrand> no... there are some myth nbs on powerpc..
[04:30] <jdstrand> ah
[04:30] <jdstrand> skaet: it looks like the amd64 ubuntustudio got a sigint
[04:30] <jdstrand> KeyboardInterrupt
[04:30] <jdstrand> ^ from germinate
[04:31] <skaet> hmm,  user error on my part?  or something else....
[04:31] <jdstrand> skaet: that was an email from antimony. I initially assumed it was intentional
[04:32] <skaet> heh, was cutting and pasting, so ....
[04:32] <jdstrand> skaet: was the mythtv run part of a longer command that included that?
[04:33] <skaet> jdstrand, yea, I was trying to get all the flavors queued up
[04:33] <jdstrand> that seems to explain it then
[04:34] <skaet> ok, will kick them off again, and see if that fixes it.   doing it manually this time... :/
[04:36] <skaet> have marked them in iso tracker as being rebuilt as well.
[04:36] <jdstrand> cool
[04:37] <jdstrand> skaet: at this point do you need more for anything? thinking I may head to bed. will be available at 7am or so
[04:37] <jdstrand> s/more/me/
[04:37] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.
[04:37] <skaet> sleep well
[04:37] <jdstrand> ok cool
[04:37] <skaet> am expecting cjwatson will be online soon, and sort out what's left at this point.  :)
[04:37] <jdstrand> skaet: try to get some sleep yourself. I'll check the logs first thing and see if I can do anything (assuming cjwatson and pitti don't get to it first)
[04:38] <jdstrand> alrighty
[04:38] <jdstrand> good night!
[04:38] <skaet> :)
[04:47] <jdstrand> skaet: oh, sorry. I just remembered that the 04:03 UTC publication run is pre-empted bye another job :\
[04:47] <jdstrand> skaet: that means that the fbdev driver won't be ready until for another hour
[04:47] <skaet> ok
[04:48] <jdstrand> s/bye/by/
[05:04] <GrueMaster> jdstrand: Thanks for the update.
[05:04] <GrueMaster> Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to have hit the pool yet.
[05:06] <jdstrand> GrueMaster: no, a little bit later I mentioned that the publisher is preempted at 04:03 UTC
[05:06] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Missed that.
[05:06]  * jdstrand forgot about that too
[05:06] <jdstrand> anyhoo, heading off
[06:25] <slangasek> -fbdev installed (at last)
[06:43] <skaet> yup,  armel builds kicked off again.   Will leave it to cjwatson/pitti to move them into the iso tracker when they're ready.
[06:43] <skaet> have rebuilt the ubuntu studio, and mythbuntu - and still only i386 images.
[06:44] <skaet> have uploaded the i386 images to the tracker.
[06:47] <skaet> pitti, see slangasek's comments about framebuffer ^^.    Should an image rebuild be triggered to pick up his fix beyond armel, or do we just document?
[06:48]  * skaet --> bed
[08:13] <pitti> Good morning
[08:13] <pitti> ogra: sorry, went offline shortly before your ping
[08:18] <pitti> skaet_afk, cjwatson: I don't think we need to respin non-armel for this if it doesn't hurt i386/amd64; having an out-of-date package isn't that important for a2 IMHO
[08:23] <pitti> ogra, GrueMaster: I'm adding http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20110202/ as "Ubuntu ARM Preinstalled omap{3,4}"; are there any other armel images to add to the tracker?
[08:24] <pitti> there's an "Ubuntu desktop armel", but I don't think we build images for that?
[08:36] <apw> pitti, are we waiting for more fixes or is whats in the archive 'done' ... ie are any bugs in it something i have to live with
[08:37] <pitti> apw: I guess we are "done", unless we have a real showstopper? what bug are you talking about in particular?
[08:37] <apw> i suspect its one of the stacking in unity isues.  i think i have a modal dialog open which i can't see or interact with
[08:38] <pitti> I think that's the kind of bug we need to release-note
[08:38] <apw> plus for me non-working scroll bars in both places thingies
[08:38] <apw> ok
[08:38] <apw> i'll go moan on ayatana
[08:39] <pitti> confirmed the scrollbar problem
[08:39] <pitti> but at this point we should only respin for install failures or major startup failures
[08:39] <pitti> everything else can be fixed post-install with an update
[09:05] <persia> cjwatson, The power here is 10A/100V, and most stuff is unearthed (or only rarely and optionally earthed).  Perhaps it's a bit less odd when there's a special earthing clip for the wire at the base of the socket.  Sorry for the confusion.
[09:21] <ogra> pitti, you will have to respin everything that uses the framebuffer driver, do VMs use vesa on intel ?
[09:22] <ogra> pitti, and we would need 02.1, not 02 on the tracker
[09:22] <pitti> does it matter which graphics card the VM host uses?
[09:22] <pitti> ogra: oh, I thought skate already triggered new images, and 0202 is the latest we have
[09:22] <ogra> its the X framebuffer driver thats broken
[09:23] <ogra> no, she built 02.1
[09:23] <pitti> anyway, current images work fine in kvm
[09:23] <ogra> 02 has the broken X
[09:23] <ogra> 02.1 is the respin after slangasek's fix
[09:24] <pitti> ah, they appeared now, will update tracker; thanks!
[09:24] <ogra> thanks too :)
[09:24] <pitti> done
[09:24] <pitti> ogra: so "Ubuntu desktop armel" doesn't exist any more, right?
[09:24] <ogra> right
[09:25] <ogra> we only have netbook-preinstalled
[09:25] <ogra> there is a preinstalled headless (name still in discussion) coming for FF
[09:26] <ogra> but not yet
[09:26]  * ogra wonders where you see that desktop image
[10:00] <pitti> ogra: it's an option in the "add image" in the tracker, from older releases
[10:00] <ogra> ah, k
[10:00] <ogra> i was digging on cdimage
[10:00] <ogra> :)
[10:10] <cjwatson> persia: heh, no problem
[10:11] <cjwatson> pitti: catching up and I have a batch of notes from skaet.  What's the summary from your end at the moment?
[10:11] <pitti> cjwatson: good morning
[10:11] <cjwatson> psusi sent me a parted fix for dmraid, but I assume we've missed the boat?
[10:11] <pitti> cjwatson: current armel images are on the tracker, rest should work
[10:11] <cjwatson> ev is producing a new ubiquity upload for bug 702898
[10:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702898 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in changed(): value is of wrong type for this column (affects: 21) (dups: 8) (heat: 110)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702898
[10:12] <pitti> it was an open question whether to respin i386/amd64 for the fbdev fix
[10:12] <pitti> but as it doesn't seem to break kvm etc., I don't think we should respin just for that
[10:12] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, that sounds like a better reason for respinning then
[10:12] <cjwatson> affects all users whose IP addresses are unknown to the geoip database, apparently
[10:13] <cjwatson> the fix is a pair of str() casts
[10:14] <pitti> I haven't done a real-iron test install myself yet with today's image (just with earlier ones), that's still on my agenda for today
[10:14] <ev> slightly correction: it affects all users who cannot reach geoip-lookup.ubuntu.com
[10:14] <cjwatson> whee, even better
[10:14] <ev> or whatever the address is
[10:14] <cjwatson> so any non-networked install for example
[10:14] <ev> need more coffee
[10:14] <ev> exactly
[10:15] <cjwatson> any opinions on the parted change?  bug 711616
[10:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711616 in parted (Ubuntu) "[PATCH] Fix dmraid install regression (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711616
[10:15] <cjwatson> technically affects all images but I don't know that we have to care about them all being in sync
[10:17] <pitti> the patch looks sane enough; does that get folded into the ubiquity source, or is it a separate package?
[10:17] <cjwatson> separate
[10:18] <pitti> I don't mind having out-of-sync packages for A2, so I'm fine with having it on every image we need to respin anyway, and document the rest
[10:18] <pitti> e. g. I don't think we should respin armels for this
[10:19] <ogra> only if it fixes an oem-config issue ;)
[10:20] <ogra> we dont use plain ubiquity nor doe we use dmraid on preinstalled
[10:20] <ogra> *do
[10:20] <cjwatson> I wouldn't expect to see dmraid on armel, no
[10:20] <ogra> i would
[10:21] <cjwatson> blink
[10:21] <ogra> but not by default
[10:21] <cjwatson> on what kind of platform?
[10:21] <ogra> people do weird things to run a NAS with USB disks ;)
[10:21] <cjwatson> uploaded, anyway
[10:21] <cjwatson> bizarre
[10:23]  * ogra wonders how to download the images with the constantly segfaulting NM on his laptop
[11:48] <cjwatson> mythbuntu desktop amd64 and ubuntustudio alternate amd64 posted
[12:39] <cjwatson> pitti: ok, so which images do we need to respin for the new ubiquity+parted?
[12:39] <cjwatson> pitti: * desktop {amd64,i386}?
[12:39] <pitti> edubuntu DVD as well, I suppose?
[12:40] <pitti> ubuntu and edubuntu DVDs didn't get testing yet anyway
[12:40] <cjwatson> yeah, DVDs too
[12:40] <pitti> I can't see anything else
[12:40] <cjwatson> OK, I'll get started on those
[12:40] <pitti> ok, thanks
[12:41] <cjwatson> ev: does oem-config use the geoip selector?
[12:41] <cjwatson> I'm not desperately inclined to respin alternates, maybe we can just release-note
[12:42] <pitti> the workaround would be to disable the network during oem-setup?
[12:43] <cjwatson> enable, I think
[12:44]  * cjwatson queues up giant build set
[12:44] <cjwatson> echo ubuntu desktop; buildlive ubuntu daily-live && for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live && build-chinese-edition /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso; echo kubuntu desktop; buildlive kubuntu daily-live && for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; echo xubuntu desktop; buildlive xubuntu daily-live && for-project xubuntu cron.daily-live; echo mythbuntu desktop; buildlive mythbuntu daily-live ...
[12:44] <cjwatson> ... && for-project mythbuntu cron.daily-live; echo kubuntu-mobile; buildlive kubuntu-mobile daily-live && for-project kubuntu-mobile cron.daily-live; echo ubuntu dvd; buildlive ubuntu-dvd dvd && for-project ubuntu cron.dvd; echo edubuntu dvd; buildlive edubuntu-dvd dvd && for-project edubuntu cron.dvd; echo kubuntu dvd; buildlive kubuntu-dvd dvd && for-project kubuntu cron.dvd
[12:57] <cjwatson> I'm archiving jaunty off cdimage and releases to save space
[13:05] <ev> cjwatson: yes
[13:05] <cjwatson> ev: would you be OK with release-noting that problem for oem-config?
[13:05] <ev> sure
[13:06] <ev> after lunch, if that's okay
[13:07] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, I just mean OK with not respinning for it
[13:11] <ev> ah, indeed
[13:52] <ev> done
[13:53] <ev> feel free to reword that if its not to your liking
[13:55] <Riddell> where are the release notes?
[13:55] <ev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[14:06] <didrocks> hey
[14:07] <didrocks> so, I have a fix for a compiz crash at start some people seem to get
[14:07] <didrocks> (bug #708812)
[14:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708812 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in CompOption::value() (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 28)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708812
[14:07] <didrocks> is there a respin schedulded?
[14:09] <cjwatson> there's one in progress
[14:09] <cjwatson> there is not currently another scheduled
[14:09] <cjwatson> certainly looks like you should upload that anyway and we'll see what happens
[14:10] <didrocks> ok
[14:10] <cjwatson> oh, hmm
[14:10] <cjwatson> compiz has fairly tight versioned dependencies and is an arch all/any mix
[14:10] <cjwatson> so buildd skew could break one of the respins in progress
[14:10] <cjwatson> let's see, how long does it take to build?
[14:10] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, so I can wait for the respins to be finished
[14:11] <didrocks> cjwatson: where should I monitor that? iso.qa ?
[14:11] <cjwatson> mm, takes over an hour on armel, so no way to reliably squeeze it in
[14:11] <cjwatson> there's no good monitoring really, I'll have to just tell you
[14:11] <didrocks> ok, just ping me please then when you think it's safe
[14:12] <cjwatson> actually, mind you, I'm not doing any armel respins at the moment, and everything else takes <30 minutes
[14:12] <cjwatson> didrocks: if you go ahead right now I believe it should be safe
[14:12] <didrocks> cjwatson: excellent, doing it now then. Thanks :)
[14:12] <cjwatson> (because all of amd64/i386/powerpc will build before the next publisher run)
[14:13] <cjwatson> and all the distro buildds are currently idle
[14:13] <stgraber> cjwatson: what's part of that respin ?
[14:13] <didrocks> ok, nice to get that fix soon :)
[14:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: ubiquity fix upon failure to contact geoip; parted fix for broken dmraid installations; um, whatever else was in the archive
[14:17] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok, so that's going to affect all desktop builds ? shouldn't they be disabled on the tracker ?
[14:17] <cjwatson> it's such a hassle to go around clicking all the buttons
[14:18] <cjwatson> done now
[14:23]  * pitti disables ubuntu desktops as well
[14:23] <pitti> ah, actually, are they current already?
[14:23] <pitti> 13:33 UTC
[14:24] <pitti> checking manifest..
[14:24] <stgraber> marjo: Speaking of the tracker ;) Could you check on which machine it's running now and see if I can get my ssh access restored ?
[14:25] <pitti> they are, sorry; reenabling
[14:25] <stgraber> marjo: I lost access to it on Lucid's release week when it was moved to another box. I used to have ssh access with sudo rights to the "db" user to access the postgresql DB and run some scripts.
[14:30] <marjo> stgraber: ok, will do
[14:53] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, they were current
[14:53] <cjwatson> Kubuntu desktops posted now too
[14:55] <Riddell> thanks
[15:29] <pitti> uh -- "ubiquity[2970]: segfault at bbadbeef ... in libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.5.2
[15:30] <cjwatson> that came up before
[15:30] <pitti> not only is this unfortunate, it's also a really snarky address to crash at
[15:30] <cjwatson> bug 710852
[15:30] <cjwatson> err
[15:30] <cjwatson> bug 710582
[15:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710582 in yelp (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "webkit does not implement "assert" sanely (ubiquity crashes after step 'Who are you', yelp segfaults) (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710582
[15:30] <pitti> ah, thanks
[15:32] <pitti> I guess I'll release-note that then
[15:34] <cjwatson> ev: is there a way to disable the slideshow at run-time or boot-time?
[15:34] <ev> you can always uninstall the package
[15:38] <cjwatson> mm, I was hoping for something release-notable
[15:39] <smoser> cjwatson, can you populate tracker from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/20110202/published-ec2-daily.txt please
[15:40] <cjwatson> smoser: done
[15:46] <jibel> pitti, whats your cpu ? I can reproduce the crash on anthenticAMD but not on Intel.
[15:46] <smoser> cjwatson, or someone...
[15:46] <smoser> so i click on one of those amis
[15:46] <smoser> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4959
[15:46] <smoser> then click on one of the tests
[15:46] <smoser> and there is no where to record anything
[15:46] <smoser> ie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4959/549 is blank
[15:46] <smoser> stupid user
[15:47] <smoser> login, smoser.
[15:47] <smoser> (sorry for the wasted bytes)
[15:50] <skaet> smoser, np
[15:50] <stgraber> skaet: what page do I update to release note something ? I'd like to release note LTSP as non-working for Edubuntu and Ubuntu Alternate
[15:52] <pitti> cjwatson: that should be possible in the live system, though; apt-get purge ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu actually works, ubiquity just looks rather funny then (small window)
[15:52] <skaet> stgraber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[15:53] <apw> stgraber, whats the blocker on that?
[15:53] <pitti> skaet: good morning
[15:54] <stgraber> - the new nbd-client that somebody merged last week gets stuck on I/O wait when connecting for the second time to the same server (blocking login)
[15:54] <stgraber> - calling /etc/X11/Xsession fails as gnome-session needs a parameter now
[15:55] <stgraber> (calling only "/etc/X11/Xsession" should start the "default" session and not just say "No valid session found")
[15:55] <skaet> pitti, good afternoon,  from the logs looks like the fun has continued since last night...
[15:55] <stgraber> didrocks: ^ (as you're around ;))
[15:56] <didrocks> stgraber: on a call, will look at it then :)
[15:56] <cjwatson> pitti: yeah, though it's not really a graceful workaround
[15:56] <pitti> cjwatson: right, but at least it gets you further; test install still running, if it succeeds, want me to release note it?
[15:57] <cjwatson> yep - if it only happens on amd64, that's interesting too
[15:57] <pitti> my i386 test install went fine, but that was without internet (broadcom wifi on the dell mini)
[15:57] <pitti> this amd64 run is in kvm
[15:58] <pitti> but as the slideshow shouldn't access the network, that's hopefully not a factor
[15:58] <cjwatson> you hope.  who knows what webkit does :)
[15:58] <pitti>  well, webkit might try to fetch something
[15:58] <cjwatson> but yeah
[15:58] <pitti> extra CSS or whatnot
[15:58] <cjwatson> xml schema
[15:58] <pitti> I'll test i386 in kvm afterwards to check
[16:00] <pitti> and amd64 without network as well
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: cpu> crash was in kvm
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: intel atom (netbook) i386 worked
[16:08] <stgraber> skaet, didrocks: bug 707232 (initially reported by linaro, added ubuntu task and set gnome-session as the package for now)
[16:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707232 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Netbook image - no valid session found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707232
[16:09] <skaet> stgraber,  thanks!
[16:14] <stgraber> skaet: nbd issue is bug 711951
[16:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711951 in nbd (Ubuntu) "New nbd-client hangs when connecting a second time to a server (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711951
[16:20] <pitti> cjwatson: I confirmed that it's unrelated to the network and amd64 specific, and that purging slideshow works; documenting..
[16:21] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:28] <didrocks> stgraber: hey
[16:28] <stgraber> didrocks: hi
[16:28] <didrocks> stgraber: so, it doesns't need a parameter… the default should still be called without one, isn't it?
[16:29] <stgraber> didrocks: currently some systems including LTSP start: "/etc/X11/Xsession" without any parameter an expect the default session to open
[16:29] <stgraber> didrocks: calling that basically starts "gnome-session" still without parameter
[16:29] <stgraber> didrocks: which currently fails
[16:29] <didrocks> stgraber: interesting, let me have a look
[16:29] <didrocks> one sec
[16:30] <stgraber> I'd expect "gnome-session" without any parameter to start whatever should be the default, so probably unity and falling back to classic if unity doesn't work on the hardware (quite likely with LTSP)
[16:30] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: I brushed up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview a bit now; do you have suggestions what to add to the "desktop" section or notable known bugs in compiz/unity which should be documented?
[16:31] <didrocks> stgraber: oh you're right
[16:31] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I'll add some crashes and issues with unity
[16:31] <didrocks> pitti: will do it before EOD
[16:31] <pitti> didrocks: merci
[16:31] <didrocks> pitti: yw :)
[16:32] <didrocks> stgraber: so, ok for ubuntu.session for being the default when calling it with nothing?
[16:32] <didrocks> stgraber: I'll add a patch, can you file a bug, please?
[16:33] <didrocks> (I'll report the handing to upstream as well)
[16:33] <stgraber> didrocks: bug 707232
[16:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707232 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Netbook image - no valid session found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707232
[16:33] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[16:33] <apw> stgraber, ok if its in D there may be a kernel interaction ... i've requested some debugging in your bug (ndb one)
[16:33] <didrocks> stgraber: thanks :)
[16:33] <seb128> pitti, I will let didrocks list those, no need to duplicate the work, not sure the jockey issues are worth mentioning
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: I don't think so; nvidia/fglrx are now disabled anyway, and broadcom can be installed from the installer
[16:34] <stgraber> apw: ok, I saw a recent upload of nbd-client so thought it might be that, but nbd.ko can also be the problem (or the interaction between nbd-client and nbd.ko)
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: but then again I didn't see the crash; if it's prominent, I'm happy to add it
[16:34] <apw> stgraber, indeed, either could be at fault, knowing what the client is trying to do when it locks may help, which is what i am asking for :)
[16:34] <didrocks> cjwatson: pitti: btw, no respin scheduled for now? (just to know if I need to report the crash at startup or not in the TechnicalOverview)
[16:35] <cjwatson> didrocks: I don't at present but am willing to be overruled ...
[16:35] <cjwatson> since skaet's up now I reckon it's her call
[16:35] <pitti> didrocks: not scheduled for other reasons, anyway
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, ok, I was not sure if that was a "crash for everybody after install" or not
[16:35] <didrocks> ok, I'll mention it for now
[16:36]  * skaet emerging back from release note... and scanning log
[16:36] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/711225 I mean
[16:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711225 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-gtk crashed with TypeError in _cleanup(): an integer is required (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[16:37] <pitti> seb128: it looks like a corner case to me; I thought you meant bug 706193
[16:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 706193 in jockey (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'gi.repository.Gtk' object has no attribute 'ICON_LOOKUP_USE_BUILTIN' (affects: 22) (dups: 21) (heat: 180)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706193
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, ok, I've no clue about the crash, just that jockey doesn't start on my alpha2 test install
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, if that's a corner case great
[16:38] <pitti> bah, compiz focus issues are driving me mad
[16:40] <stgraber> apw: ok, updated bug report with some more info
[16:41] <stgraber> apw: I'm rebooting my VM now and will try the old nbd-client to see if that fixes/workaround the problem
[16:41] <apw> didrocks, i think i just got your new compiz ... had a working compiz on login 5/5, as against about 1/4 before
[16:42] <didrocks> apw: nice, that was the goal TBH :)
[16:42] <apw> didrocks, :)  thought you should know
[16:42] <didrocks> apw: thanks for the feedback, nice to have some good news in this crashing time ;)
[16:42] <apw> didrocks, i now am seeing huge delays starting indicators about 1/4 ..
[16:43] <apw> stgraber, good thanks
[16:43] <didrocks> apw: if you try to killall unity-panel-service? does it fix it? (no hurry though)
[16:44] <apw> didrocks, they come eventually I'd say between 30s and 60s (not measured it) just not 'immediate' like normal
[16:44] <didrocks> apw: yeah, try kill this service (it will respawn) in that case, juste to ensure it's the unity or the indicator side
[16:45] <apw> didrocks, will do that next time it occurs
[16:45] <didrocks> sure :)
[16:46] <apw> stgraber, could i get the whole dmesg please
[16:49] <stgraber> apw: going to boot a livecd to reproduce it instead, I just trashed my VM by force rebooting it too much (last initrd is probably half-synced to the disk so it won't boot)
[16:49] <apw> stgraber, ok thanks, i suspect this is a kernel locking issue from the dump you have in there
[16:50] <stgraber> using the old client didn't help, haven't tried the old server yet but I don't think it'd change anything
[16:50] <apw> stgraber, want to know if there is anything before that .... feel free to move this discussion over to #ubuntu-kernel as we are likely spamming release here
[16:53]  * cjwatson posts xubuntu desktop and mythbuntu desktop.  sorry for being tardy on those
[16:54] <cjwatson> ubuntu dvd, edubuntu dvd, and kubuntu dvd are still in the pipeline; please could somebody post those when they're done?  I need to go out
[16:55] <stgraber> I'll do it
[16:55] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:12]  * Daviey wonders if the release team would slap Daviey with a wet trout if he suggested a Eucalyptus upload for A2.
[17:15]  * skaet has hands full with unity foo.
[17:15] <skaet> Daviey,  what's it fixing?
[17:16] <Daviey> skaet, FTBFS, ability to start instances and a security fix.
[17:17]  * apw hands skaet the biggest trout in his lake
[17:17] <Daviey> skaet, The current UEC experience is weak, making A2 somewhat pointless benchmark for it.
[17:17]  * skaet accepts trout from apw - contemplating roasting it rather than throwing it around though...
[17:18] <skaet> Daviey,  ok, lets add it into the queue for rebuilds, and call off QA on those images.
[17:18] <skaet> don't think they've gotten too far.
[17:18] <Daviey> skaet, great!  thanks
[17:18]  * Daviey munches on trout.
[17:19] <skaet> let me know when the uploads are done, and we're ready to kick off the rebuilds (ie, package has landed and available)
[17:23] <Daviey> skaet, wilco, thanks
[17:33] <seb128> skaet, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/708018
[17:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708018 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "ubuntu-sso-login crashed with IndexError in prompt_handle(): list index out of range (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Triaged]
[17:33] <seb128> skaet, you might want to add this one to the notes
[17:33] <seb128> pitti, ^
[17:33] <seb128> it's basically ubuntu-sso-client crashing on autologin accounts (or livecd)
[17:34] <seb128> the u1 guys are working on it now
[17:38] <skaet> pitti, could you see if you can nudge getting unity available for the iso builds?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[17:42] <seb128> skaet, it failed to build
[17:42] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[17:43] <pitti> re
[17:43] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/63367725/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.unity_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:43] <didrocks> oh? didn't get email this time :/
[17:43] <seb128> didrocks, guess that needs the fix you commited earlier today
[17:44] <didrocks> argh, the glu one with the new glew :/
[17:44] <didrocks> ok, let's forget about unity then, needs a glew upload for proper fix…
[17:45] <skaet> didrocks, ok can you please add the comments to the release notes about this?
[17:46] <didrocks> skaet: about the migration tool crash at start? sure
[17:46] <skaet> didrocks, yup.  thanks!
[17:48] <pitti> seb128: ah, because it doesn't unlock the keyring?
[17:49] <pitti> seb128: happy to add that to the RNs
[17:51] <seb128> pitti, because they use the login keyring but there is none of those in an autologin session
[17:51] <pitti> right
[17:51] <Daviey> pitti, Do you have LP foo to make a package build higher priority?
[17:51] <pitti> seb128: I wonder why it doesn't crash on the live session? do we have a casper script to disable this?
[17:51] <pitti> Daviey: yes
[17:52] <pitti> "fu" anyway :)
[17:52] <pitti> Daviey: which one do you need bumped?
[17:52] <pitti> seb128: ah, will add after didrocks is done editing
[17:52] <Daviey> Pici, would you might bumping https://launchpad.net/~davewalker/+archive/uec-testing/+buildjob/2238876 , it would make it easier for hggdh to test before it's uploaded to the archive.
[17:52] <Daviey> err, pitti
[17:52] <didrocks> pitti: will tell you once finished
[17:52] <pitti> done
[17:53] <seb128> pitti, it does crash on the livecd
[17:53] <Daviey> pitti, thanks!
[17:53] <seb128> pitti, did you try to authentificate on the live session?
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: not to U1
[17:55] <Daviey> dammit... okay skaet - it's still failing to build, i thought we had this fixed and it is not.
[17:56] <didrocks> pitti: done, I'll complete on the desktop part a little later
[17:56] <Daviey> perhaps it would be better to ship A2 with a known broken version, taking the pressure off to get a fix in apt-get upgrade away... What are your thoughts?
[17:56] <pitti> didrocks: hm, I still get a "locked" message
[17:56] <didrocks> pitti: hum? I'm on the preview page
[17:57] <didrocks> (the one after saving)
[17:57] <pitti> ah, works now
[17:57] <didrocks> maybe I pong you before wikimoinsmoins finishes its saving
[17:57] <stgraber> Ubuntu DVD is ready for testing
[17:58] <skaet> Daviey,  its an A2, so just document it *really* well, so folks don't waste time.
[17:58] <skaet> stgraber,  sweet.  thanks.
[17:58] <Daviey> skaet, ok, thanks.
[18:16] <ogra> Daviey, as long as it works on arm we wont complain :)
[18:18] <Daviey> ogra, good luck with that... let us know when we have kvm on arm :)
[18:19] <skaet> ogra, how are the images from last night looking?
[18:19] <ogra> ogra@ac100:~$ apt-cache show eucalyptus-cloud|grep Architecture:
[18:19] <ogra> Architecture: armel
[18:20] <ogra> Daviey, you mean that wouldnt work !?!
[18:20] <ogra> skaet, all fine
[18:20] <Daviey> ogra, Ohhh, sure eucalyptus works.... but you can't start instances :)
[18:20] <ogra> you really need to fix that !!!
[18:20] <ogra> *g*
[18:20] <Daviey> ogra, Okay, i'll port kvm to arm before i go to bed tonight :)
[18:21] <ogra> thanks, i'll ping you tomorrow :)
[18:21] <skaet> ogra, cool.   Could you go to the release notes, and add the features you want highlighted for this release then.  :)
[18:21]  * ogra will go to bed early today :)
[18:22] <ogra> skaet, i went over them already, we dont have anything to highlight until unity-2d is on the images
[18:22] <ogra> they currently dont differ from maverick
[18:22] <Daviey> ogra, nn :)
[18:22] <ogra> heh
[18:22] <skaet> ogra,  thanks.
[18:23] <ogra> A3 will be our big one :)
[18:23] <ogra> with lots of blogging and screenshots
[18:23]  * skaet hopes that all testing will be done *early* in the cycle.
[18:24] <ogra> and indeed with the eucalyptus port from Daviey included by default ;)
[18:25] <ogra> skaet, fully agreed and i was hoping we could get it on the A2 images, but a Qt bug prevents us from it ... there is no way we ship a desktop where half the apps segfault
[18:26] <skaet> ogra, *agree*
[18:27] <ogra> unity-2d itself is ready :(
[18:27]  * ogra is really sad that we cant ship it yet
[19:05] <Riddell> are kubuntu DVDs going to appear at some point?
[19:06] <stgraber> they should. I'm monitoring cdimage to check when edubuntu and kubuntu appears
[19:06] <stgraber> edubuntu seems to be building at the moment, kubuntu should be next
[19:18] <GrueMaster> skaet: Unless there is a dire need to respin, omap/omap4 image testing is done.  No critical/high/medium issues.
[19:23]  * ogra lols about Bug 711968
[19:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711968 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[natty] Installer suggests "Not-Available" as computer name (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711968
[19:23] <ogra> did nobody tell marc about the new empathy integration of the installer ?
[19:26] <GrueMaster> I don't think he's available for comment.
[19:27] <skaet> GrueMaster,  thanks!  there are reasons to respin, but its unlikely we'll be getting the fixes in time.  So we'll be going with these images.
[19:27] <GrueMaster> Oh?  What issues?
[19:27] <GrueMaster> Other than the ubiquity fixes (which I have tested).
[19:29] <skaet> GrueMaster,  unity changes and eucalyptus ones,  shouldn't be impacting you.
[19:30]  * skaet was using images in context beyond arm ;)
[19:31] <GrueMaster> Nope, neither one does.  Unity is in the images but won't run w/o 3D acceleration and eucalyptus isn't in the image.
[19:35] <skaet> stgraber, any update on the edubuntu dvds?  you posting?
[19:36] <stgraber> skaet: oops, Edubuntu meeting ;) I guess they just showed up, weren't there 10mins ago. Adding them now.
[19:36] <skaet> stgraber, sweet.  Thanks!
[20:22] <highvoltage> anyone else available to look at Edubuntu amd64?
[20:23] <highvoltage> The installer window just completely dissappears for me after I enter the user details and click next
[20:23] <highvoltage> seems to be fine on i386 though. it's under kvm so it could perhaps just have something to do with that
[20:26] <skaet> highvoltage, we've got some real nastiness going on with amd64 (see: https://launchpad.net/bugs/710582).  Is yours possibly related?
[20:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710582 in yelp (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "webkit does not implement "assert" sanely (ubiquity crashes after step 'Who are you', yelp segfaults) (affects: 5) (dups: 3) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,New]
[20:37] <charlie-tca> skaet: updated release notes
[20:37] <skaet> charlie-tca, thank you! :)
[20:38] <highvoltage> skaet: yep, that's it
[20:39] <skaet> thanks highvoltage,  can you add your info to the log of the bug then.
[20:40] <highvoltage> skaet: ok, will do
[20:41] <skaet> :)
[20:56] <charlie-tca> skaet: I need to add wording to the workaround for the ubiquity bug. In Xubuntu, you open a terminal (shortcut does not work), then purge "ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu"
[20:57] <skaet> charlie-tca, go ahead.  (and thank you)
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:09] <smoser> skaet, EC2 images are tested
[22:09] <smoser> pre-publishing is in progress
[22:09] <smoser> images still need to be tested on UEC, but would really be surprised to see a failure there.
[22:13] <skaet> smoser,  cool.  Thanks!
[23:16] <slangasek> lamont: gourd runs out of memory trying to build qemu-linaro for armel :(
[23:16] <slangasek> lamont: should we build qemu under qemu?


[14:25] <hollusion> hello
[14:25] <hollusion> how do i make lubuntu shutdown gracefully?
[14:25] <hollusion> if i do "logout > shutdown" via lxde menu
[14:26] <hollusion> i will get a message within firefox that it did not shutdown correctly
[14:26] <hollusion> asking to restore the previous session
[14:26] <hollusion> seems like lxde shutdown is killing all processes not waiting for them to terminate
[14:41] <leszek> hollusion: close the apps then :/


[09:22] <alan_g> Sorry if this is old news, but I just noticed this: "We are pleased to announce that Yunit packages are now available in an overlay repository for debian unstable (64bit)!" https://forum.yunit.io/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32
[14:03] <Elleo> alan_g: cool :)


[02:53] <zoke> I need to get linux-ubuntu-modules synced with upstream since something new and awesome was introduced
[02:53] <zoke> see Tormod's latest comment at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/185179
[02:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185179 in linux-wlan-ng "card is not recognized in live session" [Undecided,In progress]
[02:56] <zoke> should this be synced, this means that the linux-wlan-ng pacakge will not be needed
[02:57] <zoke> meaning that everything should "just work"
[02:57] <zoke> since prism2 usb devices are quite common, this would make ubuntu far more accessable to several more people
[08:27] <freepenguin> now I've finally the page of ubuntu free penguin edition: http://www.freepenguin.it/ubuntufp-download-en.html
[10:26] <ph8> Hi guys, i've got a Dlink DGE-530T on an ubuntu-server install (with xen kernel from apt), it's detected my network card, it connects at full duplex - it appears however that when i try and transfer large amounts of information into the machine (e.g. a file backup over local network) the network card stops responding - i can't see any error messages, can anyone think of where i should start?
[11:35] <Kano> hi rtg
[11:36] <Kano> rtg: you tried to enabled sound again,but you left out some former active ones like
[11:36] <Kano> CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134_ALSA is not set
[11:36] <Kano> CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_ALSA
[11:38] <Kano> also why dont you use # CONFIG_B43LEGACY?
[11:49] <Kano> you could disable the bcm43xx if you like
[16:59] <Kano> BenC: # CONFIG_B43LEGACY is not set
[16:59] <Kano> still
[18:37] <Treenaks> I have a wishlist bug for the usb-storage driver.. should I file a bug on the Hardy kernel package, or try to find an upstream place to ask?
[18:37] <Treenaks> (if you know how the USB subsystem works, it should be a simple 1-function fix, but I don't know how it works :))
[18:38] <Treenaks> (it's sending one magic string of bytes to a new device when it's detected, so it switches into a working mode)
[18:54] <JanC> Treenaks: isn't that something that userspace should do?
[19:02] <Treenaks> JanC: there's already a "fix" like this for a "nozomi" 3g modem
[19:03] <Treenaks> JanC: I have a different ("Option") 3G modem, which now requires userspace intervention..
[19:04] <Treenaks> JanC: but I can't get to it soon enough (the device firmware crashes if the usb-storage driver talks with it for too long)
[19:04] <Treenaks> and udev doesn't see the device before it breaks
[19:04] <JanC> ah, right
[19:04] <Treenaks> so now I have to manually run that program manually every time I plug it in..
[19:04] <Treenaks> -manually
[19:05] <JanC> hm, a belgian 3Gmodem ツ
[19:05] <Treenaks> JanC: yeah, once it works, it's great.. but initialization sucks a bit :)
[19:13] <Treenaks> It might even annoy me enough to brush up on my C skillz and learn the kernel USB API :)
[23:09] <blueyed> Does somebody mind to comment on bug 188226? I think this should be decided asap.
[23:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226


 @tsimonq2 Thanks for that. I think I might have everything you asked for. Eight packages total, all of them are at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio marked as "New/Critical" just to make them easy to find.
 Buildlogs, lintian, check-all-the-things, the whole nine yards.
[00:52] <studiobot> * Eickmeyer didn't even known check-all-the-things was a command you ran.
 Ok
[03:45] <studiobot> * Eickmeyer
[07:48] <astraljava> "<Eickmeyer> No, we use git." - Really? Am I so far out of the loop, that LP switched from bzr to git?
[07:57] <OvenWerk1> astraljava: it is in progress, Bzr is still there, but anything getting packaged first gets switched to git.
[08:12] <astraljava> OvenWerk1: Ok, and what has prompted this change?
[15:02] <OvenWerk1> astraljava: I really don't know the answer to that. It is good for me as I do other work with git as so have all the tools and only having to remember one set of commands is nice.
[16:12]  * Eickmeyer waves at Rosco2
[16:13] <Eickmeyer> Still waiting to hear back from FalkTX about the empty packages. I'm guessing it's a migration thing for KXStudio.
[16:14]  * Eickmeyer hopes Rosco2's dental recovery is going well
[17:01] <Rosco2> Thx. WIll find out in a day or so if it was a success this time.
[17:02] <Rosco2> No problems, I have moved onto the new grub theme.
[17:03] <Rosco2> As long as both packages are normally installed, there should be no transition problem.
[17:04] <Rosco2> apt-autoremove should be offered to uninstall it once nothing depends on it.
[17:05] <Eickmeyer> Rosco2: Good to see you in the chat!
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> I had done the initial packaging, but FalkTX cleaned it up, and I further refined it so it would build. So, it's a collaboration effort for sure.
[17:12] <Rosco2> Normally I only get short bursts to do FOSS stuff - so I tend to keep away from IRC so I don't get distracted.
[17:13] <Rosco2> SOmetimes it is good to be sick
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, unless it's a wake-up call that you've been pushing too hard (had that happen a couple of times).
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> @tsimonq2: Not sure if you saw, but Rosco2 looks like he's cleaning-up grub2-themes-ubuntustudio, which a lot of others in that list depend on. I'd say, out of all the packages, this one needs the most priority since it's new.
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> Not to mention a dependency.
 Ok
[19:30]  * Eickmeyer is done triaging ancient bugs for now
[19:38]  * Rosco2 is also done!
[19:39] <Rosco2> Carla, grub-theme & installer
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Woohoo!
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> @tsimonq2 ^
[19:42] <Rosco2> Will move on to the others tommorrow night
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> Rosco2: Carla and the groub-theme might need FFe as well?
[19:43] <Rosco2> Maybe? I am not sure. They are new packages rather than new features.
[19:44] <Rosco2> I will  double check
[19:46] <Rosco2> You are right
[19:47] <Rosco2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[19:47] <Rosco2> Carla should be accepted without problems as it doesn't affect anything.
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Correct, and the grub theme needs to be in there as our theming on the other packages is now dependent on it. However, it shouldn't affect anything other than that.
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> If you wan't, I'll bug #ubuntu-release about both packages. I did subscribe them already.
[19:52]  * Eickmeyer will be out for a bit, but if you need me, ping my @Eickmeyer telegram handle here
[19:53] <Rosco2> We should probably make sure the bugs have all the information asked for in the release process.
[19:54] <Rosco2> I think most is there, except install log & screenshot


[07:27]  * ara hugs RAOF for working on bug 824099 :)
[07:28] <RAOF> It's not so much a fix as a "please don't do that, use Unity 2D if you want to span your displays". :/
[07:47] <alkisg> Hi, I've a lab of computers where the graphics card uses the pm2fb.ko module. The videoram is 4 MB, but only 512 KB are detected.
[07:48] <alkisg> I tried forcing VideoRam in xorg.conf, but it made no difference
[07:48] <alkisg> Would trying a newer kernel help? What else can I try?
[07:57] <RAOF> alkisg: Is that permidia?
[07:57] <RAOF> Old school!
[07:57] <alkisg> RAOF: yes, and yes
[07:57] <alkisg> Too old, but unfortunately that school can't afford the change
[07:58] <alkisg> I'm trying to install the backported natty kernel (using lucid)
[07:58] <RAOF> xorg.conf isn't going to have any effect; that's a kernel framebuffer driver - there is no X driver involved.
[07:58] <alkisg> If anyone has some other ideas I could try...
[07:58] <alkisg> Ah
[07:58] <RAOF> Or, rather, there's an X driver involved, but it's just a dumb FB driver.
[07:58] <alkisg> Isn't there any way to force X to use a particular mode even though it thinks there's not enough videoram for it?
[07:59] <RAOF> No.  X isn't setting the mode at all.
[07:59] <alkisg> (the school had windows previously, cards worked fine there)
[07:59] <jcristau> you can try playing with fbset
[07:59] <ara> RAOF, good to me. Right now it is: do what you want but your display will look awful
[07:59] <jcristau> or hacking up your kernel driver
[07:59] <RAOF> You *might* be able to pass some kernel module parameters to that module.
[08:00] <RAOF> alkisg: parm:           mode_option:Initial video mode e.g. '648x480-8@60' (charp)
[08:00] <alkisg> I tried `modinfo pm2fb` but I didn't see any options... ah that one
[08:00] <alkisg> Let's see if it can use it even though it thinks it doesn't have enough ram
[08:01] <RAOF> ara: Yeah.  Or, in my case, be software rendered on the *super fast* atom processor, for a blazing 30 seconds per frame performance.
[08:02] <RAOF> Let's see if this works...
[08:05] <alkisg> jcristau: I tried `fbset` and it says "cannot open /dev/fb0"
[08:06] <alkisg> trying to pass mode_option in the command line...
[08:08] <jcristau> err
[08:08] <jcristau> if you're using pm2fb.ko surely you have a fb device...
[08:09] <alkisg> I'm using LTSP, and that's a thin client, but I don't think ltsp would interfere with that... :(
[08:12] <alkisg> Is this a correct syntax?  initrd.img ...  mode_option:1024x768-16@60
[08:14] <jcristau> no
[08:18] <alkisg> Here are some files from the client: http://paste.ubuntu.com/697123/
[08:18] <alkisg> xorg.log, cmdline, modinfo etc
[08:19] <alkisg> ls -l /dev/fb* says file not found
[08:21] <jcristau> well pm2fb is not loaded
[08:21] <jcristau> so clearly you're not using that
[08:22] <alkisg> I'm reporting what `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA` told me: Kernel modules: pm2fb
[08:23] <jcristau> yes, that means pm2fb could drive that hw
[08:23] <jcristau> otherwise it would tell you Kernel driver in use: $something
[08:24] <alkisg> Ah. modprobe pm2fb indeed loaded the module now
[08:24] <alkisg> And I have an /dev/fb0 now
[08:31] <alkisg> jcristau: a big improvement, thanks. After manually loading pm2fb, I got X at 640x480
[08:32] <alkisg> Any advice on how to force that to 1024x768?
[08:32] <alkisg> Will running `fbset params` before loading X help?
[08:32] <jcristau> i don't know.
[08:33] <alkisg> Thank you though. Could you help me for the correct syntax on the mode_option parameter?
[08:33] <alkisg> (11:12:41 πμ) alkisg: Is this a correct syntax?  initrd.img ...  mode_option:1024x768-16@60
[08:33] <alkisg> (11:14:33 πμ) jcristau: no
[08:33] <alkisg> *could someone help me...
[08:38] <tjaalton> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO/x168.html
[08:38] <tjaalton> see the part about permedia
[08:45]  * alkisg reads, ty...
[09:54] <alkisg> Phew that was a difficult one to do via VNC! After all the troubleshooting, I solved the problem by putting the following in my LTSP lts.conf configuration file:
[09:54] <alkisg> MODULE_01="pm2fb mode_option=1024x768-16@75"
[09:54] <alkisg> Thank you all for your help, yet another school just moved to Ubuntu/LTSP. :)
[12:27] <mdeslaur> Hi X hackers...any known workaround for bug 858450 ?
[12:28] <tjaalton> bug 858450
[12:29] <tjaalton> huh, no bot
[12:32]  * mdeslaur is saddened by bot's suicide
[12:36] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: uh, I understand how annoying the bug is..
[12:36] <tjaalton> as a quick test I can only suggest trying a 3.1rc mainline kernel
[12:37] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: do we have a mainline ppa somewhere?
[12:39] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: yes http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[12:39] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: ah, thanks!
[12:54] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: i don't have working ati-gear here, so haven't seen bugs like that myself. maybe others on this channel have though
[13:01] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: thanks
[13:27] <kamstrup>  I almost assume that it's a known issue, but I can't find it in LP: my integrated intel graphics hd 3000 (sandybridge) no longer works (no glx). This worked smoothly ~1 month ago... ?
[13:28] <kamstrup> I am not 100% sure where the regression happened because I normally use the discrete nvidia card on my laptop, but decided in a fit of adventurousness that I wanted to try the integrated intel again yesterday...
[13:29] <kamstrup> (so just to make it clear optimus is disabled in the bios, so it's not running hybrid, just pure old intel graphics hd 3000)
[13:30] <Sarvatt> you have to remove the nvidia driver
[13:31] <tjaalton> right
[13:34] <kamstrup> ah, ok
[13:39] <kamstrup> thanks Sarvatt, tjaalton that helped :-)
[13:45] <Sarvatt> kamstrup: you can do it without removing it if you plan on doing it a lot also
[13:46] <Sarvatt>  sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf (pick mesa instead of nvidia)
[13:46] <Sarvatt>  sudo ldconfig
[13:46] <Sarvatt>  sudo update-initramfs -u
[13:46] <kamstrup> Sarvatt: yeah, it might be helpful for testing out Unity performance
[13:46] <Sarvatt> (then reboot)
[13:46]  * kamstrup stores a note
[13:47] <Sarvatt> same thing picking nvidia again to go back
[13:49] <tseliot> kamstrup: if you're using oneiric you might want to replace "gl_conf" with  either "x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf" (on Ubuntu 64bit) or "i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf" (on 32bit)
[13:49] <kamstrup> tseliot: ah, that's also way easier mnemotechnically ;-)
[13:50] <tseliot> kamstrup: I'm on Ubuntu 64bit and simply type update-alternatives --configure x86 and then I press TAB for autocompletion since I can't remember the whole string
[13:51] <kamstrup> Long live tab completion :-)
[13:51] <tseliot> :)
[13:52] <alkisg> Yeah I started using it on norm<tab> senten<tab> too. Unfor<tab> it doesn't work :(
[13:58] <kamstrup> yeah, i kn
[14:32] <bjsnider> since when does optimus work on linux?
[14:32] <kamstrup> bjsnider: it "works" if you disable it in the bios ;-)
[14:33] <bjsnider> no, you said you normally use the nvidia chip exclusively
[14:33] <tjaalton> ironhide works somewhat
[14:33] <kamstrup> bjsnider: exactly
[14:34] <kamstrup> bjsnider: disable optimus, using only the discrete card
[14:34] <bjsnider> i see
[14:34] <bjsnider> you're lucky your craptop gives you that option
[14:34] <bjsnider> a lot of them don't let the user have that much control over the graphics setup
[14:43] <kamstrup> bjsnider: wow, I'd actually expect one to be able to deactivate the hybrid mode in the bios, and at least use the integrated card in a dedicated way
[14:43] <kamstrup> even on cheap hardware
[14:44] <kamstrup> ignorance is bliss
[14:45] <bjsnider> i've talked to people recently who say they've been through the bios and there is no such option
[14:50] <bjsnider> i would think that would make it very hard to buy a laptop if you intend to put linux on it
[17:48] <shadeslayer> hey, anyone have a idea how to get my intel i915 kernel module working? I get : *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module!
[17:48] <shadeslayer> i have a seprate discrete graphics card, but i'd like to power that down and just boot using the intel agp
[19:51] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hi, are you ok with if i just copy the cairo packages with its current version string to edgers?
[20:10] <Sarvatt> ricotz: yup!
[20:12] <ricotz> Sarvatt, done ;)


[06:02] <chesedo> morning all
[06:02] <chesedo> paddatrapper: you are assuming they even have the textbook to read
[06:05] <chesedo> last semester I joined a whatapps group for the statistics tutor group I was allocated to, and countless students would ask a question and then ask for a photo from the prescribed book where there question is discussed - admitting that they do not own the book
[06:05] <chesedo> s/allocated to/allocated to last semester/
[06:06]  * chesedo sees even more mistakes in that text; should have proof read it first


[00:14] <lemraish> hi, everybody. how do i make horizontal scrolling work in xubuntu 11.04? (it worked in gnome 10.10)
[00:36] <bin_bash> okay charlie-tca how can I downgrade my kernel to -7
[00:36] <bin_bash> or would i be better off installing xubuntu 10.10
[00:50] <bin_bash> hey KM0201 i'm thinking that maybe i should drop down to maverick
[00:51] <KM0201> i thought maverick caused you more issues than natty
[00:51] <bin_bash> I never used maverick
[00:51] <KM0201> hmm, i thought you tried it, and there was some problem with it...
[00:51] <KM0201> so.. why are you thinkingj drop to maverick?
[00:52] <bin_bash> charlie-tca suggesting it could be the -8 kernel
[00:52] <KM0201> hmm, so he thinks going to a "lower" kernel would work?
[00:54] <bin_bash> possibly
[00:54] <bin_bash> he's been having kernel derps with -8 too he said
[00:54] <KM0201> hmm
[00:54] <KM0201> somehow i have my doubts on that, but i guess its worth a try
[00:54] <bin_bash> or i could use the -9 kernel
[00:55] <KM0201> is it in the repositories yet?
[00:55] <bin_bash> idk
[00:55] <KM0201> i'm not sure i'd go to -9, but i guess that could possibly work
[00:56] <KM0201> i don't see -9 in my repository listing
[01:00] <KM0201> can you use your 11.04 cd to boot a 10.10 usb, or do you gotta burn again, ?
[01:01] <bin_bash> i have to burn again
[01:02] <bin_bash> that's why i'm thinking i might try mint10
[01:05] <KM0201> lol
[01:07] <KM0201> mint 10, isn't it running -8?
[01:08] <bin_bash> idk
[01:09] <bin_bash> wanna google for me
[01:10] <KM0201> well, i just found a forum post that says they will "get an update to the 2.6.38 kernel a soon as this issue is fixed" ( i didn't read what the issue was)
[01:10] <KM0201> the post is from 4 days ago though.. so..
[01:10] <KM0201> power usage increase.
[01:11] <KM0201> http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=71174&p=421074
[01:17] <bin_bash> which kernel did lucid run?
[01:19] <rww> 2.6.32
[01:19] <KM0201> ic ould have swore you said there was some problem w/ maverick
[01:19] <KM0201> i just can't remember what it was
[01:20] <KM0201> maybe i was thinking 10.04
[01:22] <bin_bash> lucid was the problem
[01:22] <KM0201> oh ok
[01:32] <bin_bash> before i do this though
[01:33] <bin_bash> mayeb i should just try to downgrade the kernel
[01:33] <bin_bash> what do u think
[01:33] <KM0201> i don't think thats gonna be very successful, but you could try.
[01:33] <bin_bash> why not
[01:34] <KM0201> just a hunch.
[01:34] <KM0201> lol
[01:34] <bin_bash> lesigh
[01:35] <KM0201> opensuse is running kernel 2.6.37  is that the one you want?
[01:36] <bin_bash> idk what i want
[01:36] <bin_bash> lesigh
[01:37] <KM0201> ok...
[01:37] <KM0201> typical woman
[01:37] <KM0201> lol
[01:37] <bin_bash> i just want to go back six months to when i would have 2 weeks uptime
[01:37] <KM0201> lol
[01:37] <bin_bash> and i only restarted when i accidentally unplugged it and rhe battery died
[01:37] <KM0201> do you never turn your laptop off or something
[01:38] <bin_bash> no i hate turning it off
[01:38] <KM0201> hmm
[01:40] <bin_bash> i love uptime
[01:40] <bin_bash> ew gnome or kde
[01:40] <bin_bash> bloat or more bloat
[01:41] <KM0201> then use xfce?
[01:42] <bin_bash> i guess i'll DL the gnome version
[01:42] <KM0201> gnome of what?
[01:42] <bin_bash> opensuse
[01:42] <KM0201> oh
[01:53] <roasted> In Ubuntu 10.10 I had "startup applications". In Xubuntu 11.04, I don't. Is this hidden somewhere?
[01:55] <charlie-tca> roasted: that is a gnome application. Xubuntu uses Settings -> Settings Manager -> Sessions and Startup
[01:55] <roasted> ah
[01:55] <roasted> thank you
[02:14] <MarconM> xuxa + ubuntu = xubuntu " ilari lariêh "
[03:30] <q_a_z_steve> What's the console apt-get FE which allows you to choose how to resolve deps?
[05:01] <uofm49426> ok have question i did a reinstall of everything i made a little fat32 partioned and mounted it at /fat32/tmp used it to save stuff i wanted to keep
[05:03] <uofm49426> i remove the partion and remove the file /fat32 but when i boot i have to s or m
[05:03] <uofm49426> how can i fix this
[05:26] <Soupermanito> s or m?
[05:59] <Soupermanito> say for a moment that i unplug my sda and install win xp on my sdb1, then i replug my sda, so grub will load first, and it wont read the mbr of sdb, could i add up the winxp boot line to grub after that?
[06:02] <Unit193> I *think* os-prober might find it...
[06:03] <Soupermanito> you mean >sudo update-grub ?
[06:04] <Unit193> !info os-prober
[06:04] <Soupermanito> oh thats new
[06:04] <Unit193> And fun too ;)
[06:05] <Soupermanito> so it will be safe rigth, whit removed sda the grub mbr will remain intact?
[06:06] <Soupermanito> i know my bios looks on sda first in order to load the boot loader :P
[06:06] <Soupermanito> oh it was already installed
[06:07] <Soupermanito> it shows nothing, it shouldnt because i dont have any other OS right now rite
[06:09] <Soupermanito> well we will see about that tomorrow
[06:09] <Soupermanito> good night people
[06:21] <Rodensky> I'm using Xubuntu 10.04 and I got a system msg that asks me if I want to upgrade to 10.10. Will it will upgrade itself to Xubuntu 10.10 or it will "upgrade" itself to gnome/unity like ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 did?
[06:24] <Unit193> Rodensky: Xubuntu doesn't use Unity and you should be upgraded to 10.10 (and from there you can go to 11.04)
[06:25] <Rodensky> Unit193, I know it doesn't use unity but when I had ubuntu 10.10 I used gnome+compiz+cairo-dock, and instead of upgrading to 11.04 and updating my gui, it fell apart
[06:25] <Rodensky> that's why i moved to xubuntu
[06:26] <Rodensky> are you sure that it will be upgraded to xubuntu 10.10 with xfce and not to some mess with gnome? :]
[06:27] <Unit193> I have never done an upgrade (Had a HDD failure forceing me to reinstall) but I'm using 11.04 with no Unity crap
[06:28] <Unit193> s/forceing/forcing/
[06:28] <Rodensky> in ubuntu it forced an "upgrade" to unity.... :( (a major downgrade if you ask me...)
[06:31] <Unit193> I have had 10.10 and 11.04 of Xubuntu and never used Unity
[06:32] <Rodensky> you said you havn't upgraded from one to the other
[06:33] <Rodensky> I need someone that already upgraded and can tell me if I can upgrade safely or should I wait untill I'll have the time to freshly install 10.10
[06:33] <Unit193> But I have used both. 11.04 of Ubuntu (Not Xubuntu) comes with Unity by default
[06:34] <Rodensky> yes but is you upgrade from an earlier version and you use another gui, the system is not suppose to replace your gui
[06:34] <Rodensky> and it did
[06:34] <Rodensky> and very poorly I might add
[07:51] <xubuntu510> hallo
[07:51] <xubuntu510> ^^ ich installier grad xubuntu
[08:27] <profus2> good morning everybody
[08:27] <profus2> after installation program does not appear in the menu structure - where can i find it
[08:28] <profus2> ?
[08:28] <profus2> software is synergy and was installed via software center
[08:31] <TheSheep> profus2: what would you expect to appear? it's a daemon
[08:32] <Unit193> profus2: Only the synergy from their website has a GUI with it
[08:32] <TheSheep> Unit193: it does?
[08:33] <profus2> http://goinglinux.com/articles/UsingSynergyOnLinuxAndWindows.html
[08:33] <Unit193> TheSheep: Yep! I use it
[08:33] <Unit193> TheSheep: Side note: Same version on getdeb doesn't have the GUI
[08:33] <profus2> according to this article it should appear under "accessories"
[08:34] <Unit193> profus2: If you really want it, download the deb from http://synergy-foss.org
[08:35] <profus2> do i have to deinstall the version I have installed via software center first?
[08:36] <Unit193> profus2: You shouldn't need to
[08:36] <profus2> just klick on the *.deb file (sorry newbie)?
[08:37] <Unit193> I think so... (I use the dpkg -i method)
[08:38] <TheSheep> dpkg -i can lead to breakage when the ackage fails to install
[08:38] <profus2> done :-) thank you for your help
[08:39] <Unit193> TheSheep: What's the best way to do it via terminal/ssh?
[08:39] <TheSheep> Unit193: no idea, I guess use dpkg -i and deal with breakage
[10:43] <xharx> anyone using a touchpad?
[10:48] <TheSheep> maybe ask your real question, that will be faster
[11:04] <Josesordo> xubuntu dont have a option to disable the touchpad =( ..
[11:06] <xharx> i cant influnce the time of a click-twice-drag action of my touchpad. also i can not influence the speed of the mouse cursor. anyone knows this problem?
[11:08] <moetunes> Josesordo:  this might help - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Software_Toggle
[12:30] <bigbrovar_> hi guys, knew to xubuntu, just want to know what u guys generally use for bluetooth, gnome-bluetooth or blueman. Blueman seems a no brainer (because it is DE agnostic) but the project seems to be unmaintained .. gnome bluetooth seems maintained but am just afraid it might be too tired to gnome .. an ideas? xbuntu 11.04
[12:32] <ablomen> bigbrovar, i use blueman myself, works fine with my phone and my tablet
[12:52] <bigbrovar_> ablomen: thanks, couple of questions: Did u install blueman from the repository and which version on xubuntu are u using?
[12:53] <ablomen> bigbrovar, 10.10 and yes from the repo
[12:55] <bigbrovar_> ablomen: thanks .. and btw u need to upgrade to 11.04 already. pretty awesome man :)
[13:12] <buff27> hi
[14:22] <dusf> can anyone recommend a good way to search filesystems using the gui on xubuntu?
[14:22] <dusf> i was used to having it built into nautilus...
[14:24] <TheSheep> dusf: catfish
[14:34] <dusf> TheSheep: ty
[16:09] <usul2> running xubuntu and linux mint live cd the laptop fan works after install it does not. any ideas
[17:21] <KXTwo> wonder if Pici will ban me here too lol
[17:26] <usul2> live versions of xubuntu and mint 10 my laptop fan works, but after install doesnt work and overheats, any idea's
[17:29] <drc> usul2: Have you checked launchpad for bug reports, and/or googled with your computer model to see if anyone else has this problem?
[17:31] <usul2> drc, no i'm not sure how to do that i found one work arround though on the net. suspend wake it up and it seems to work.
[17:32] <drc> usul2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu for bug reports.
[17:32] <usul2> drc, i'm going to lunch if you reply it will be about 45 miin or so , but thanks
[17:36] <usul2> will check the link thanks
[17:36] <drc> usul2: no
[17:36] <drc> er...np :)
[18:10] <gadugadu8> hello
[18:11] <gadugadu8> why xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent don't have the same weight ?
[18:11] <gadugadu8> (the torrent in a torrent client)
[18:12] <drc> gadugadu8: Because the torrent one is <only> a torrent file to get the iso, and the other is a full iso.
[18:12] <drc> yes, you must have a torrent client to use it.
[18:13] <gadugadu8> i know that, sorry, it was a mistake : i didn't read well
[18:14] <gadugadu8> 688 in firefox and 687.x in a bt client
[18:14] <gadugadu8> sorry
[18:14] <drc> np, not that I've ever done that ;)
[19:05] <roasted> is there a way to have xubuntu remember that my intel graphics card laptop is dual screened? its a pain to reconfigure it each time I boot up
[19:35] <sairasananas> I just installed xubuntu is there anything i should do?
[19:36] <Unit193> Have fun? What are you looking to do with it?
[19:36] <roasted> I'd like to have it recognize dual screen monitors.
[19:36] <roasted> :)
[19:36] <sairasananas> i mean something to do whit security like get some firewall???
[19:37] <Unit193> roasted: I would wait (some more....) for someone that knows and has used dual monitors (Not just someone that wants to...)
[19:37] <Unit193> sairasananas: Is it directly connected to the internet?
[19:37] <roasted> its just a little bit of a pita
[19:37] <sairasananas> yes
[19:38] <roasted> cause, do I dare say, gnome didnt have this issue
[19:38] <Unit193> roasted: You can always try Unity ;) (I'm sure there is a way to do it...)
[19:38] <roasted> I love unity
[19:38] <roasted> I'm just trying to test xfce for a bit
[19:39] <Unit193> !info gufw
[19:40] <sairasananas> please answer fast as i took something, i need computer secure fast :P
[19:42] <Unit193> sairasananas: I would install and configure gufw (I have never had a computer setup like you have)
[19:42] <sairasananas> give me url?
[19:43] <Unit193> sairasananas: Open synaptic and search for gufw (Linux works with repository, not download stuff from internet)
[19:43] <Unit193> !synaptic | sairasananas
[19:47] <sairasananas> vittu mun piti kattoa mun käsiä et mä näin eteen päin :(
[19:47] <Unit193> roasted: This may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1631680
[19:59] <alado23> hi, i just deinstalled xubuntu and installed xubuntu 11.04, now i can not change my resolution and im stuck with 800x648, i dont have a xorg.conf file and i can not change the resolution from the normal menu under settings, what can i do?
[20:00] <alado23> the xubuntu version from last fall worked flawlessly
[20:07] <aljona> I just installed xubuntu 10.04 and now i only have a 800x600 resolution, i can not change it under the setting menu and i do not have an xorg.conf file. It all worked well when i was running the previous version of xubuntu on the same machine. How can i fix this problem?
[20:11] <Unit193> aljona: When I get that, I just make a new xorg.conf (ctrl+alt+F1 > login >  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop > sudo X -configure > move the file)
[20:13] <aljona> Unit193, "move the file" which file do i have to move and from where to where?
[20:14] <Unit193> aljona: After you run X -configure, it will tell you the next command to test it (and if it works, sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[20:16] <aljona> Unit193, and where will xorg.conf.new be created?
[20:17] <Unit193> aljona: Your current dir (So that command *should* work)
[20:17] <aljona> Unit193, ok i will give it a try, brb
[20:18] <Unit193> aljona: Good luck!
[20:23] <Unit193> aljona: Did you bork it? ;)
[20:23] <aljona> Unit193, ok now i did that and now i have a xorg.conf file, but still the same problem, i cant see any resolution set in the xorg.conf file either
[20:24] <aljona> this is really annoying.. it worked perfectly fine with the last xubuntu version
[20:25] <bin_bash> what's the difference between an xubuntu session and an xfce session?
[20:26] <Unit193> aljona: Would you mind > pastebin ?
[20:26] <aljona> Unit193, ok one sec
[20:26] <Unit193> bin_bash: Xubuntu session is configured for Xubuntu, XFCE is just the default (There are other reasons why you don't use it)
[20:26] <bin_bash> Which are? I'm using it now. What's so bad about it?
[20:27] <aljona> Unit193, http://pastebin.com/y8fa7X3J
[20:30] <bin_bash> Unit193, why not use it?
[20:30] <Unit193> aljona: 3 monitors? You can force a change using     Modes   "1024x768"     in the "screen" section and add     DefaultDepth    $DEPTH (where you put the other part)
[20:31] <Unit193> bin_bash: I don't remember right now... maybe one of the others know
[20:32] <aljona> Unit193, my computer just froze..(great day!) if you said something to me in the last few minutes i missed it
[20:33] <aljona> i really do not want to get rid of my beloved xubuntu...
[20:33] <bin_bash> aljona, what's going on with it?
[20:34] <aljona> bin_bash, i just installed 11.04 and now i can not change my resolution under the settings menu, im stuck with 800x600
[20:34] <bin_bash> hm
[20:34] <aljona> i just created a xorg.conf file, which i posted here above
[20:34] <bin_bash> which video card
[20:34] <aljona> some old intel card, its a laptop from 2002-2003
[20:35] <bin_bash> hmmmm
[20:35] <aljona> but it worked flawlessly with the previous version of xubuntu
[20:35] <bin_bash> did it work in 10.10?
[20:35] <aljona> yes
[20:35] <bin_bash> might want to just go back then
[20:36] <aljona> yes maybe so..
[20:36] <Unit193> aljona: Take a look at the end http://paste.ubuntu.com/609699/
[20:37] <aljona> Unit193, did you edit my file?
[20:37] <Unit193> aljona: No, this is an example (What screen res do you want?)
[20:37] <aljona> 1024x768
[20:40] <aljona> Unit193, should i just try to add the resolution to the last subsection "display"?
[20:40] <Unit193> aljona: Yeah, it may look like: http://pastebin.com/xT5Jim7N (Your config)
[20:41] <Unit193> A little edited...
[20:41] <aljona> ok, will give it a try, brb
[20:46] <aljona> Unit193, nope that didnt work either
[20:46] <aljona> Unit193, im giving up here, i will try to install ubuntu instead
[20:49] <Unit193> aljona: That's a bummer it didn't work...
[20:49] <Unit193> aljona: Good luck with Ubuntu (And Unity ;) )
[20:51] <xrdodrx> does xubuntu natty have gparted on it?
[20:51] <aljona> Unit193, yes it will be interesting to see how that turned out
[20:54]  * drc wonders what aljona thinks will be different with X under Ubuntu/Unity...the guts are the same (unless I'm way out in left field).
[20:55] <n2diy>  Can I mix and match Ext 3 and Ext 4 file systems? I building a test/backup box, and I was thinking of formatting it Ext 4, but my main box is using Ext 3?
[20:58] <Soupermanito> yes
[20:59] <Soupermanito> they are just filesystems, you could even use fat32 and nfts, tho i dont recomend the last, but you could
[21:00] <xrdodrx> does xubuntu 11.04 include the gparted partition editor?
[21:00] <Soupermanito> i don't know, it can be easily installed tho
[21:00] <Soupermanito> !gparted
[21:00] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, while using the disk?
[21:00] <xrdodrx> :?
[21:01] <rww> yup
[21:01] <rww> livecds can install software
[21:01] <Soupermanito> xrdodrx, i don't understand you? im using a 500gb drive whit ntfs/fat32/ext3/swap on the same drive
[21:02] <xrdodrx> rww, um, lol, forgive my ignorance, but where does the installed software "go"
[21:02] <xrdodrx> The disk isn't RW
[21:02] <rww> xrdodrx: the temporary filesystem in RAM, I believe
[21:02] <xrdodrx> oh...
[21:02] <xrdodrx> :D
[21:02] <xrdodrx> thanks
[21:02] <drc> xrdodrx: The LiveCD/USB contains <a> partition editor...I'm not sure that it will let you <re-size> existing partitions without losing data, but you can re-partition hdd's during the install process
[21:04] <Soupermanito> drc <I> love how <you> highlight words
[21:05] <drc> Soupermanito: It's <merely> an attention getter for <those> who read fast :)
[21:05] <drc> Beats Capitalizing
[21:05] <rww> *this* is better and is autoconverted to bold in some clients ;P
[21:06] <drc> Well...Dress me up and call me Shirley...didn't know that...that's even better
[21:13] <n2diy> I'm building a test box with a SATA 160g hard drive. I can't set the boot flag on the drive, it is an OEM drive that has WIN NT, and XP on it, and it won't boot those, ideas?
[21:19] <drc> n2diy: Do you wnat to use the whole drivNT/XP partitions)?e for Xubuntu *i.e., get rid of the
[21:19] <drc> whoa...
[21:20] <drc> n2diy: Do you want to use the whole drive for Xubuntu (i.e., get rid of the NT/XP partitions)?
[21:31] <n2diy> drc, yes. I'm now installing without a boot flag set, maybe GRUB will fix it?
[21:42] <xrdodrx> when I was installing xubuntu
[21:42] <xrdodrx> it said "Sorry, the installer crashed"
[21:42] <xrdodrx> Should I try again??
[21:46] <xrdodrx> guess I'll just format the partition table and try again then...
[21:46] <xrdodrx> :s
[21:49] <xrdodrx> okay
[21:49] <xrdodrx> so on re-running the installer
[21:49] <xrdodrx> ubi-partman failed with exit code 10
[21:50] <xrdodrx> :(
[21:53] <xrdodrx> pastebin.com/WWVKatSP
[21:53] <xrdodrx> any help/
[21:53] <xrdodrx> ?*
[21:57] <xrdodrx> wow :|
[21:58] <Sysi> you could try alternate-image
[21:58] <looooooool> hello
[21:59] <xrdodrx> Sysi, does alternate image do this
[21:59] <xrdodrx> or use whatever ubiquity installer thing
[21:59] <looooooool> xubuntu running on my pc? I have 192MB ram, 1.2 ghz amd sempron (socket a)
[21:59] <xrdodrx> my whole system is hanging now
[21:59] <xrdodrx> :(
[22:00] <xrdodrx> Force power off, Sysi ? And then do alternate image?
[22:00] <Sysi> xrdodrx: alternate images use different installer
[22:01] <xrdodrx> okay, downloading right now
[22:01] <Sysi> burn disc or create usb-stick on some machine
[22:01] <xrdodrx> it's basically the debian classical install right?
[22:01] <Sysi> yup
[22:03] <xrdodrx> Sysi, I tried to shut down my computer [netbook] but the screen is full of SQUASHFS errors and the CD tray came out
[22:03] <xrdodrx> wonder what's wrong :<
[22:03] <xrdodrx> Should I pull its battery out?
[22:05] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, am a total xfce noob, I was just wondering if there is a tool for configuring multi touch on touch pad
[22:06] <Sysi> xinput/xorg.conf/gpointing-device-settings etc. works
[22:07] <xrdodrx> :/
[22:08] <xrdodrx> wow this install is going really bad
[22:08] <xrdodrx> I've never had this many problems with ubuntu
[22:08] <xrdodrx> SQUASHFS and end_request errors everywhere
[22:08] <xrdodrx> :(
[22:08] <xrdodrx> guess I'll just pull the battery lol
[22:13] <ProlificPuffin> So I am a recent convert from The "U" version...
[22:15] <Soupermanito> :D
[22:16] <Soupermanito> welcome
[22:16] <Soupermanito> we need a !welcome
[22:16] <Soupermanito> !welcome
[22:18] <xrdodrx> Sysi, I tried to boot with no disk in for grins and giggles, but despite all the errors it still booted lol
[22:18] <xrdodrx> I don´t trust that something isn't broken though, so I'm going to reinstall with the alternate disk since I already burned it
[22:23] <ProlificPuffin> LOL
[22:24] <xrdodrx> ProlificPuffin, I thought so too xD
[22:25] <xrdodrx> ProlificPuffin, I installed it, it crashed three times, the whole system hung, I went into the terminal and ordered sudo shutdown now and the tray popped out and errors that said SQUASHFS and end_request filled the screen
[22:25] <xrdodrx> (the installer crashed three times)
[22:25] <xrdodrx> so I don't trust something with the install wasn't seriously work O.i
[22:25] <xrdodrx> wrong**
[22:26] <xrdodrx> ProlificPuffin, I too am coming from the "U" version :D
[22:26] <ProlificPuffin> Great!
[22:27] <ProlificPuffin> I was holding back, and thinking about reinstalling Lucid to get one more year out of Gnome 2x,  but I quickly found I could virtually replicate (even improve) my desktop in XFCE...I am soo happy...I can now ignore the Unity debates...lol
[22:28] <ProlificPuffin> So I am on Xubuntu 11.04...all the functionality of Ubuntu...fewer calories... :)
[22:28] <xrdodrx> same, ProlificPuffin
[22:29] <xrdodrx> I tried ubuntu 11.04 + unity and it didn't meet my needs...can't even add applets to the panel, x_X
[22:29] <xrdodrx> Also the icons were huge, I guess that's good for tablets but I don't have one lol
[22:30] <dusf> since upgrading to xubuntu 11.04 additional drivers reports that my nvidia driver for me 7300 LE is active but not currently in use and i have problems with fps and 3d. lspci -k reports 'Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nouveau, nvidiafb' even after i have black listed nouveau in boot options, sudo-updated grub, and rebooted. are any of you also using xubuntu 11.04 and an nvidia card?
[22:30] <drc> yup
[22:31] <ProlificPuffin> I have posted SEVERAL tirades on forums about what a complete waste Unity is. But I just do not care anymore. Yes, I have GT 430 1GB, running the 270 Nvidia driver...
[22:33] <ProlificPuffin> I had an issue w/the noveau drivers. I do not remember where I found them, but there are instructions for complete purging out there. I then ran the proprietary drive from a terminal login/telinit 3... The only downside, is you have to do that for every kernel update... :(
[22:39] <dusf> crap, i wish he hadn't left
[22:58] <Soupermanito> dusf, you still have that problem? the nvidia vs noveau
[22:58] <dusf> Soupermanito: yes, i just purged noveau
[22:58] <dusf> with sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[22:58] <Soupermanito> :)
[22:59] <dusf> Soupermanito: haven't yet rebooted, is that the fix?
[23:00] <Soupermanito> apparently it is, yes, and then you add noveau to the boot blacklist so it wont try to mount it
[23:01] <Soupermanito> http://paste.ubuntu.com/609789/
[23:01] <Soupermanito> also you can install the latest drivers from the nvidia site
[23:02] <xrdodrx> Sysi, that was really good advice, thanks! :D I think I'll do all future installs of ubuntu with the alt-cd, it's so much faster :)
[23:02] <dusf> Soupermanito: i have never installed drivers from nvidia's site, always just use additional drivers option
[23:03] <dusf> Soupermanito: i'm using nvidia173 which i have been told is suspiciously old but i had thought that was just because i was using an old 7300 LE
[23:03] <Soupermanito> kk, you shouldnt have problems now
[23:05] <dusf> Soupermanito: previously i had tried black listing by changing a line to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset rdblacklist=nouveau" in /etc/default/grub
[23:06] <dusf> Soupermanito: i have followed the instructions from your link, should i now add nvidia drivers from their site, or reboot first?
[23:06] <Soupermanito> add the drivers http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-270.41.06-driver.html
[23:09] <dusf> Soupermanito: downloading atm. do nvidia not have some repo for linux users, or is there no way ubuntu can add that driver to theirs? i mean if they have proprietary drivers available to people from repos, why not have this one available?
[23:13] <Soupermanito> i think ubuntu use safe drivers, and this are latest drivers, thats about it, the safe drivers should work, but this ones are new :P
[23:17] <dusf> Soupermanito: thanks :) how do i install this .run file?
[23:17] <dusf> wait i think if i go into term and ./blahblah.run it might do it
[23:17] <Soupermanito> it should, but it wont XD
[23:18] <Soupermanito> you need to run it from a tty
[23:18] <Soupermanito> it wont install from inside X
[23:18] <dusf> Soupermanito: i need to press an f key or something when x asks me for my password?
[23:19] <Soupermanito> you should give it your root password
[23:19] <Soupermanito> it needs root powers
[23:19] <dusf> hehe powers
[23:20] <dusf> Soupermanito: kk, then nav to the script ./NVIDIA-linux...... .run and then do a 'shutdown now -g'?
[23:20] <Soupermanito> its easy just go to a tty and log in, then just sudo /path/to/nvidiadrivers.run
[23:20] <Soupermanito> yes
[23:20] <dusf> Soupermanito: okay ty brb!
[23:20] <Soupermanito> :)
[23:25] <dusf> Soupermanito: in the tty now, but when i try sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux ...... .run
[23:25] <dusf> it says command not found, am i instead to some how enter a sudo 'mode', and then just ./NVIDIA.... ?
[23:26] <dusf> tried logging in with root username and my password but it didn't work
[23:29] <Soupermanito> do su
[23:29] <Soupermanito> XD i mean, dont use sudo, just su
[23:29] <dusf> uhm
[23:29] <dusf> replace sudo with su, or enter su on the line before?
[23:29] <dusf> i'll try both
[23:29] <dusf> brb :D
[23:38] <dusf> Soupermanito: there is no root accoutn enabled, i am reading online how to enable it, is this necessary or can i just try maybe 'sudo -i', and then ./NVIDIA-Linux.......run ?
[23:40] <Soupermanito> dusf, you should simple sudo it, i did it like that and it worked
[23:40] <dusf> Soupermanito: it says command not found when i try
[23:40] <dusf> tried several times, confirming it was sudo i typed
[23:41] <dusf> although curiously after typing ./NVI and pressing tab it would not complete it
[23:41] <Soupermanito> what i did was to point it directly, like >sudo /media/Drive500GB/tempfiles/NVIDIA_blah_blah.run
[23:41] <Soupermanito> XD thats your problem you are not pointing it correctly
[23:42] <dusf> Soupermanito: ah, i was puttinh a dot before the leading / like ./NVIDIA-Linux...run
[23:42] <dusf> i thought you put a dot there to run scripts
[23:42] <dusf> brb
[23:43] <Soupermanito> what the f...
[23:43] <Soupermanito> brb
[23:44] <Soupermanito> that was weird
[23:49] <dusf> Soupermanito: i'm getting a combination of 'permission denied' and 'command not found'
[23:50] <Soupermanito> shit, well just install the old ones from synaptic and move on
[23:50] <Soupermanito> XD
[23:50] <Soupermanito> it should work
[23:50] <dusf> Soupermanito: had to navigate to the dir containing the file to get the full name of it with ls, once there i tried sudo /NVIDIA....run, sudo /media/DUMP/Downloads/NVIDIA...run, also both with a leading dot and with su before hand
[23:50] <dusf> Soupermanito: no! :(
[23:51] <Soupermanito> dusf, you know how to use autocompletion?
[23:51] <dusf> Soupermanito: would it matter the drivers on an NTFS partition?
[23:51] <dusf> Soupermanito: with tab, pressing tab after i type sudo /NVI doesn't do anything
[23:51] <Soupermanito> nope their are in mine also
[23:52] <Soupermanito> dusf, if you are inside the folder that contains the nivida driver then you should add the ./NV then tab
[23:52] <Soupermanito> it should auto complete
[23:52] <dusf> Soupermanito: testing now while in xc
[23:52] <dusf> x
[23:52] <Soupermanito> if you use the whole path you start from /
[23:52] <dusf> dusf@banshee:/media/DUMP/Downloads$
[23:53] <dusf> Soupermanito: dusf@banshee:/media/DUMP/Downloads$ ./NV
[23:53] <dusf> pressing tab there does nothing...
[23:53] <Soupermanito> then do >sudo ./NVI and press tab, then the file aint there
[23:54] <dusf> Soupermanito: that doesn't work either, but it is there because i'm looking at it and will link output of ls -l now
[23:54] <Soupermanito> if i do it, it autocompletes whit tab
[23:55] <Soupermanito> :/
[23:56] <Soupermanito> >soup@soup-desktop:/media/Documentos500/temp$ ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-270.41.06.run
[23:57] <dusf> Soupermanito: http://pastebin.com/9bDhajzD
[23:58] <dusf> Soupermanito: fixed it, needed to chmod +x it for some reason
[23:58] <dusf> brb!
[23:58] <dusf> exit
[23:58] <dusf> :)