[00:01] <jelmer> maxb: hi
[00:01] <maxb> hello
[00:02] <jelmer> maxb: bzr-notify listens to dbus requests
[00:02] <jelmer> maxb: it doesn't poll by itself, although there was a avahi plugin at one point that could forward commit events between avahi and dbus
[00:02] <maxb> ok, is there something that will poll remote branches and send dbus requests? :-)
[00:02] <jelmer> maxb: there isn't something like that yet afaik
[00:03] <jelmer> the avahi plugin worked well at some point (it was a neat toy to use at sprints to see what other people around you were committing), but I think it's regressed since
[00:03] <jelmer> for non-LAN branches, I don't think there's anything
[00:05] <zsquareplusc> maxb: indirect solution, mirror the branches you are interested in, make a script that runs bzr pull in each, run the script manually or with cron
[00:08] <zsquareplusc> alternatively use a site that sends mail on changes, e.g. launchpad can do that
[00:09] <jelmer> I think it would make sense for bzr-notify to support polling
[00:11]  * zsquareplusc could use that too if it would support sftp:// :-)
[00:12]  * zsquareplusc has some private branches on a box with just 32MB RAM so he uses sftp because of the fear that a smart server would use to much resources
[00:17] <SamB_XP_> zsquareplusc: that's *so* 1997!
[00:19] <zsquareplusc> SamB_XP_: nah, it's a "modern" NSLU2, that uses less than 10W. i don't want to run old power hungry hardware 24/7...
[00:20] <SamB_XP_> zsquareplusc: is that some kind of PDA?
[00:22] <zsquareplusc> SamB_XP_: no, a small embedded box with 2xUSB+Ethernet. supported by Debian/Linux :-)
[00:22] <SamB_XP_> debian can still run on machines that tiny ?
[00:27] <zsquareplusc> yes. it has no display, so you don't have X and applets etc. that eat all the memory ;-)
[05:49] <jumpkick> how would one see the rev numbers associate with individual files in a workspace?
[05:49] <jumpkick> (normally I'd go on code.lp.net, but that's on the fritz)
[05:50] <bob2> as in, in which rev no a given file was last modified?
[05:51] <jumpkick> I think bzr log <file>
[05:51] <jumpkick> ?
[05:52] <jumpkick> that looks like it has the rev of the file at its last update
[05:53] <fullermd> That's probably the most straightforward way of getting it, yes.
[06:13] <jumpkick> thanks
[12:13] <bialix> fullermd: around?
[12:24] <timClicks> hi all, is there a way to automatically sync a branch with the shared repo?
[12:28] <bialix> branch and shared repo is the 2 different things
[13:04] <bac> good morning.  anyone here help maintain the bazaar-vcs.org site?  lots of broken links on the front page.
[13:06] <bac> abentley, jam1, spiv ^^
[13:07] <bialix> bac: it's a wiki
[13:07] <bialix> you can edit it
[13:09] <bac> bialix: ah, so it is.  had never noticed.
[13:09] <bialix> scroll down
[13:09] <bac> bialix: i see that now
[13:09] <bialix> k
[22:58] <DaffyDuck_> Let's say I do a "bzr checkout -r 10", and then fix a bug which was introduced there, how do I reset the working-tree later to "the latest revision" (such as it is now)?
[22:59] <DaffyDuck_> Ah. "bzr update"


[13:37] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:47] <notlikethesoup> hi
[14:06] <jrwren> Good Morning, how is everyone today?
[14:06] <notlikethesoup> not too bad, working through an android dev course
[14:07] <notlikethesoup> as has been my life for a week or so
[14:07] <jrwren> kotlin or jabab?
[14:07] <notlikethesoup> uh
[14:08] <notlikethesoup> neither, like an introductory course
[14:08] <notlikethesoup> i know kotlin is some newer thing. or at least i thought
[14:11] <jrwren> I meant java by "jabba".
[14:15] <notlikethesoup> oh, ha
[14:15] <notlikethesoup> java, yeah
[14:16] <notlikethesoup> i was wondering what on earth "jabab" was
[14:16] <notlikethesoup> lol
[14:18] <notlikethesoup> but yeah juts really basic stuff
[14:18] <notlikethesoup> it's a lot to learn at once
[14:23] <jrwren> i can imagine if you don't have much programming experience it can be overwhelming
[14:26] <notlikethesoup> well, i've doing programming of some degree for a couple of years, i just still think of myself as... very new and inexperienced
[14:26] <notlikethesoup> i guess since fall 2014ish
[14:26] <notlikethesoup> is when i started going to school full time
[14:27] <jrwren> not 30yrs like cmaloney and me. :p
[14:28] <notlikethesoup> ha, definitely not
[14:42] <cmaloney> 30?
[14:42] <cmaloney> Gah, more like 35ish
[14:42] <cmaloney> if you count all those BASIC programs
[14:43] <cmaloney> I'm going to go feel old now. Anyone want to join me?
[14:43] <notlikethesoup> oh god
[14:43] <notlikethesoup> in a programming logic class we used basic
[14:43] <notlikethesoup> or maybe it was justbasic
[14:43] <jrwren> cmaloney: same here... well.. 34ish :)
[14:43] <notlikethesoup> that word sticks out
[14:44] <cmaloney> possibly
[14:44] <cmaloney> BASIC was a good point to teach boolean logic and basic algebra concepts
[14:44] <cmaloney> not great for teaching larger programming concepts like functions and local variable scope
[14:46] <cmaloney> Oh, and it was great for teaching that if you wanted any kind of performance you really needed to get to machine code sooner than later. ;)
[14:53] <jrwren> especially on those old 80s machines
[14:53] <jrwren> but then, these days, javascript updating an html dom teaches the same performance lessons :p
[15:00] <rick_h> writes are expensive :)
[15:00] <rick_h> a very different form
[15:01] <jrwren> :)
[15:04] <cmaloney> I fear for folks who learn JavaScript as their first programming language
[15:04] <cmaloney> and I know hundreds of people are in that boat
[15:04] <cmaloney> On the one hand: functional programming
[15:05] <cmaloney> on the other hand: '1' + NaN == '1NaN'
[15:05] <notlikethesoup> it was java for me
[15:05] <notlikethesoup> then that justbasic class, then back to java
[15:05] <Zimdale> lol
[15:05] <notlikethesoup> then c#
[15:05] <Zimdale> #stillbetterthanphp
[15:05] <cmaloney> Java is OK. I don't think anyone has ever finished typing in a Java program
[15:06] <notlikethesoup> i feel like java and c# are like the "standard" languages
[15:06] <notlikethesoup> no curveballs or weird things that i can think of at a beginner level
[15:06] <cmaloney> public static void class FinishedProgramGetter() {
[15:06] <notlikethesoup> just a normal programming language
[15:06] <notlikethesoup> then i discovered the beautify of python and the horrors of c
[15:06] <cmaloney> C is a standard language for me
[15:07] <cmaloney> it's the standard by which other languages should be judged
[15:07] <notlikethesoup> i just can't do the low-level stuff
[15:07] <notlikethesoup> yes it's stupidly fast
[15:07] <cmaloney> If you can be as clear and concise as C then you get a pass
[15:07] <notlikethesoup> but having to worry about allocating memory and freeing it and dealing with arrays of characters as opposed to strings
[15:07] <cmaloney> if you can be as terse as C then you may pass
[15:07] <notlikethesoup> 3 classes of it was enough
[15:07] <notlikethesoup> i learned a lot from it for sure
[15:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, but you learned some valuable skills of how the computer works
[15:07] <notlikethesoup> exactly
[15:08] <cmaloney> because computer don't care. ;)
[15:08] <cmaloney> it's a list? It's an atom? It's a vector? Computer don't care.
[15:08] <cmaloney> It's all locations in memory
[15:09] <notlikethesoup> right
[15:09] <cmaloney> just as long as it doesn't touch protected memory or some arbitrary location that the OS deemed out-of-bounds...
[15:09] <notlikethesoup> it just wants to know how you want to interpret it
[15:09] <cmaloney> ayep
[15:23] <jrwren> java and C# are certainly the standard languages at a corporate level.
[15:24] <jrwren> yeah, C rules like that.
[16:07] <notlikethesoup> python is my one true love though
[16:07] <notlikethesoup> python is what made me *enjoy* programming
[16:11] <jrwren> python still does for me.  And go too.
[16:11] <jrwren> now that I'm not at Canonical :p
[16:12] <notlikethesoup> you were at canonical?
[16:12] <notlikethesoup> neat
[16:13] <notlikethesoup> i always kinda wondered how canonical works as a business since they make free, open source software
[16:13] <notlikethesoup> like how they're funded
[16:14] <jrwren> well, go to canonical.com and see the list of customers.
[16:14] <cmaloney> Python is really where I understood and loved OO programming
[16:14] <jrwren> they do some ubuntu support, but I think most of hte income comes from cloud, whether it is ubuntu instances running on public cloud or a company paying canonical to build and run a private internal cloud.
[16:14] <notlikethesoup> huh, neat
[16:14] <jrwren> lots of canonical and ex-canonical employees in this channel.
[16:15] <jrwren> huh, when did jcastro leave?
[16:15] <jrwren> used to be more of us. :(
[16:18] <notlikethesoup> ooh, gross
[16:18] <notlikethesoup> http://imgur.com/a/F8o2t
[16:18] <notlikethesoup> that is rather hard to read, canonical
[16:19] <notlikethesoup> it formats great up to a certain browser width
[16:50] <cmaloney> jrwren: I think when he went to Heptio he darted off
[16:50] <cmaloney> something something too good for us
[16:50] <cmaloney> or likely wanted to disassociate with Ubuntu
[16:51] <cmaloney> Not that I blame him one iota
[16:52] <jrwren> well, if he really isn't using ubuntu anymore, I guess it makes sense, but if he is, i find it sad that he'd leave the local community.
[16:55] <cmaloney> I'm pretty sure it's part burnout, part disassociation
[16:56] <cmaloney> Sometimes the best you can do is wish someone well
[16:56] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[16:56] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/
[16:57] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/loco-council/verified/
[17:00] <cmaloney> There's four verified loco teams in the USA
[17:00] <cmaloney> It looks like even Ohio gave up
[17:02] <cmaloney> Christ, it looks like the discourse forums went moribund
[17:02] <cmaloney> and yet ubuntuforums.org still lives
 Sometimes the best you can do is wish someone well
[17:03] <notlikethesoup> good advice
[17:03] <notlikethesoup> sad, but true
[17:04] <cmaloney> Sadly I've been getting a lot of practice in this
[17:04] <cmaloney> O'Reilly books for one.
[17:04] <jrwren> and I do wish him well.
[17:04] <cmaloney> Same.
[17:05] <cmaloney> Unrelated: I think this is the worst time for Canonical to do an IPO
[17:05] <cmaloney> but I wish them well
[17:05] <cmaloney> And considering how well I've been with predicting the future maybe they know something I don't.
[17:06] <cmaloney> I mean, I bought a 3DO and waited patiently for the M2 to manifest itself
[17:07] <cmaloney> if I'm betting on a horse your odds improve greatly by not betting on same horse. ;)
[17:11] <jrwren> they won't be doing it now.
[17:11] <jrwren> it will be at least a year.
[17:11] <jrwren> they have to get profitable. layoffs and cutting phone was the first step to that.
[17:12] <cmaloney> I mean their community mindhsare is in the toilet
[17:12] <cmaloney> best time to do this would have been 2011
[17:13] <jrwren> investors don't care about community mindshare, they care about revenue and growth.
[17:13] <jrwren> canonical hasn't been a community company in a VERY long time AFAICT
[17:13] <cmaloney> So noted.
[17:15] <greg-g> jrwren: agreed with your last statement (I haven't read scrollback, don't know context)
[17:16] <jrwren> I really hope the Ubuntu technical board and Community Council can drive more of ubuntu, but ubuntu isn't structured that way.
[17:16] <jrwren> in fact, I don't believe that ubuntu is operated the way they claim. I don't believe the Technical Board actually functions in decision making.
[17:17] <greg-g> they didn't when I was on the Membership Review Board
[17:17] <greg-g> (same time Mako was on the Community Council)
[17:17] <jrwren> everyone on the board is employed by canonical which means they are all yes men (and yes, they are all men) to sabdfl.
[17:18] <cmaloney> That's handy
[17:18] <jrwren> if it were an honest functioning tech board, you'd never have had initiatives like MIR by default.
[17:18] <jrwren> hell, I dont think you'd have had unity at all.
[17:18] <greg-g> jrwren++
[17:18] <cmaloney> you might have had Unity
[17:18] <cmaloney> Unity was a compelling story
[17:18] <cmaloney> but yeah, MIR was a mistake
[17:18]  * greg-g thinks about parallels with WMF
[17:19] <greg-g> our Tech Committee is all WMF employees (minus one Wikimedia Germany employee) but our CTO: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Committee
[17:19] <cmaloney> I don't think you could have had an elevator conversation with anyone about MIR and come out of there sold.
[17:19] <greg-g> s/but/and/
[17:24] <cmaloney> Thing is I don't blame companies for stacking their community and governance; it helps keep the vision of the founders alive
[17:24] <jrwren> The really disappointing thing to me is the things that ubuntu really excels at, that one loses if they use debian instead. Things like cloud optimized kernels. Things like cloud-init.
[17:24] <jrwren> I was surprised to find debian doesn't use cloud-init by default.
[17:24] <cmaloney> but if the foundation / community is pretty much beholden to the BDFL then it's not a community
[17:24] <jrwren> its not a huge deal, and was pretty easy to use just a script, but it is still kind of a shame IMO
[17:24] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ubuntu reminds me a lot of Apple
[17:25] <cmaloney> there's a lot of good taste in there
[17:25] <cmaloney> sane defaults
[17:25] <cmaloney> the problem is SABDFL took a few too many pages from Steve Jobs
[17:25] <cmaloney> which is great if you're running Apple, but not great if you're running a transparent org
[17:30] <jrwren> I don't know if I agree with that.
[17:30] <jrwren> I don't know if I disagree either. :)
[17:36] <cmaloney> He's always stuck me as someone who wants to be Steve Jobs
[17:38] <jrwren> ah, not me. He is his own man. I feel like once you get passed 50 or 100million in net worth, not much matters and he is far passed that, so if he wanted to be Jobs he'd be attacking consumer market, because that is to whom Apple has always sold, primarily, but he has never targetted that market.
[17:39] <greg-g> the steve jobs of the business market, I guess ;)
[17:40] <jrwren> sooo.... Bill Gates?
[17:40] <greg-g> heh
[17:40] <greg-g> touche
[17:41] <cmaloney> Well, he's not quite Ellison asshole levels
[17:41] <cmaloney> (at least I don't think so)
[17:42] <cmaloney> Maybe someone could correct me on that. ;)
[17:43] <greg-g> Honestly, I don't know many people who can build businesses of that size and not be assholes
[17:43] <greg-g> I think it's part of being an egotistical CEO (but I repeat myself)
[17:43] <cmaloney> Chiefly Egotistical Operation
[17:47] <cmaloney> God I love intermittent sound issues.
[17:48] <greg-g> alsa/pulse stuff?
[17:48] <cmaloney> worse: pulse + squeezelite
[17:48] <cmaloney> can't pinpoint when it happens
[17:48] <cmaloney> but every now and again it'll just go for a toss
[17:49] <cmaloney> Trying to explain what's going on is also fun
[17:51] <greg-g> sound on linux == dark magic to me
[17:52] <greg-g> pretty much sound on anything other than a record player is dark magic to me
[17:52] <cmaloney> even better: it seems like some interaction between it and Chrome
[17:52] <greg-g> and even that barely passes the "is this magic?" test
[17:53] <cmaloney> so trying to figure out what's happening outside of chicken entrails and a core developer is pretty much impossible
[17:53] <cmaloney> Oh record grooves are magic to me
[17:53] <cmaloney> I know conceptually what's going on and I still find it magical
[17:54] <cmaloney> stereo from a record groove? Magic.
[17:55] <cmaloney> http://www.vinylrecorder.com/stereo.html
[17:56] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu0zP5s_PSo
[17:57] <jrwren> you think a stereo record grove is magical, try and imagine quadrophonic.
[17:58] <jrwren> I still find quadrophonic records to be unbelievable.
[17:58] <jrwren> Hell, stereo is unbelievable to me.
[17:58] <cmaloney> iirc quadrophonic is just signals at 20K+ phase-shifted
[17:59] <jrwren> don't ruin the magic for me!
[18:00] <cmaloney> Stereo Ortohophonic Victrolas
[18:01] <cmaloney> Orthophonic Hi-Fidelity
[18:13] <greg-g> :)
[18:15] <cmaloney> Funnily enough, if you Google "Orthophonic" you get someone saying "That's bullshit!" ;)
[18:15] <cmaloney> (Actually it's a marketing term for their cutting process)


[00:29] <djzn> anyone familiar with this bug : http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6590/bugkde.jpg
[00:35] <BarkingFish> djzn: I'm sorry, i can't see a bug in that picture. which bit is the problem?
[00:36] <djzn> I click on K menu
[00:36] <djzn> and it opens on top
[00:37] <djzn> happens every now and then, but not always
[00:37] <djzn> and strangely the new activities slider is on the vertical position
[00:38] <BarkingFish> you can move the new activities slider, it's a plasmoid
[00:38] <BarkingFish> but I see the menu on top - that I'm afraid, I can't explain
[00:40] <djzn> could be something related to the radeon driver ?
[00:42] <BarkingFish> i honestly couldn't tell you, djzn - i would have tried it at the screen resolution you use, but unfortunately my system doesn't support that resolution. the largest I can hit is 1024x768
[00:42] <BarkingFish> anyone else in here with a screen that can hit 1280x1024 who could test djzn's issue please?
[00:42] <BarkingFish> i have a radeon card here, but it's an old one
[00:48] <djzn> this is a weird really weird issue
[00:53] <djzn> i used it all day it was normal, suddenly when I turned on the comp. i get this
[01:00] <djzn> BarkingFish: do you think this is related to resolution?
[01:02]  * szal uses 1280x1024 and has never seen the menu appear anywhere else than bottom-left
[01:02] <szal> except when I used 2 panels and had the menu button in the top panel just for the lulz
[01:03] <BarkingFish> djzn: no, in order to check it, i was gonna set my system the same as yours
[01:03] <BarkingFish> but I can't reproduce an error without bringing my system to what you're using, and I can't do that
[01:03] <djzn> the thing is
[01:03] <djzn> i was getting the menu Ok this afternoon
[01:04] <BarkingFish> i have to go, i'm in a conference circuit on here atm
[01:04] <djzn> but I have seen this in two kubuntu installations
[01:04] <djzn> ok
[01:04] <BarkingFish> sorry, maybe someone else can pick this up :)
[01:04] <BarkingFish> best of luck
[01:05] <djzn> BarkingFish: thanks i'll look into this
[01:06] <BarkingFish> OK
[01:09]  * phiscribe didn't know Daskreech was a ninja
[01:11]  * Daskreech kills phiscribe silently
[01:47] <earlten> okay..  more than a little perturbed, and could really use some help, and insight into a few "why"'s - like why you can't just "reset" a plasmoid. Which leads me to...  I was using the system monitor plasmoid... and I accidentally dragged the temp monitor off it. Now, the temp monitor had been monitoring my CPU temp just fine...  now suddonly, it's empty. When I go in to configure it, I have no available sensors. Could anyone explain this small myst
[01:49] <earlten> of course..  the next question is.. "Is anybody around?"
[01:52] <amason> earlten: there are heaps of people around
[01:52] <amason> but probably not many that know the answer to your question
[01:53] <amason> wrt to why you can't reset a plasmoid i am guessing the answer is because no one has implemented it
[01:54] <earlten> this is.......  frankly, somewhat infuriating.  That's a pretty poor way to run an app
[01:54] <earlten> so much potential for awesomeness
[01:55] <earlten> and to get it back..  what do I have to do, reinstall my system? I have bitched about how user friendly linux is not for years..  and I was SO CLOSE to being super impressed...
[01:57] <earlten> the other question I have is why paste operations in linux are not consistent. If I middle click, it pastes something entirely different from shift-insert. That's insane. Middle clicking is not efficient on most micee, including mine
[02:03] <phiscribe> cut and paste is a per application thing in linux, thats mostly why its so goofy
[02:04] <phiscribe> a brute force way to reset plasmoits would be to rename the hidden .kde4 directory
[02:04] <phiscribe> but you know about brute force right?
[02:05] <amason> earlten: there are two copy/paste buffers in linux
[02:05] <amason> there is one in X
[02:05] <amason> and one from your desktop environment
[02:06] <amason> you can configure klipper to syncronise the two
[02:06] <amason> but alot of people, me included find it really handy to have two different buffers
[02:06] <earlten> phiscribe: to some extent..  I'd rather not remove ALL my plasmoids
[02:07] <phiscribe> i dont know whats inside that config file, one might be able to comment out the offending plasmoid and hope a defualt line gets re-added
[02:08] <earlten> I have a .kde directory, not .kde4
[02:09] <amason> the desktop is always a WIP. as always you can submit bug reports for issues you find and or submit feature requests
[02:09] <phiscribe> im not booted into kubuntu atm, that might be it, take anything i say with a salt shaker
[02:09] <phiscribe> mostly my blabbering is just to by your brain enough time to have a light bulb moment hehe
[02:10] <amason> most of the developers aren't paid and do it only in their spare time which as i'm sure you are aware can be close to zero some times
[02:10] <earlten> /home/user/.kde/share/kde4
[02:10] <earlten> phiscribe: Hah.. that's a wonderful thing. I actually seriously appreciate you putting it that way
[02:19] <earlten> no luck
[02:22] <ubuntu> hola
[02:22] <phiscribe> kick it
[02:23] <ubuntu> kubuntu en espa;ol_
[02:24] <ubuntu> como me paso a kubuntu en espanol
[02:25] <ubuntu> #kubuntu/es
[02:25] <ubuntu> #kbuntu.es
[02:26] <ubuntu> hello
[02:27] <Unit193> !es | ubuntu
[02:27] <ubuntu> gracias
[03:37] <brambleclaw> what are the x86 and amd64/EM64T architectures?
[03:39] <amason> x86 = 32bit x86 instructions.... amd64 is any 64bit cpu like an intel core2 or greater that isn't itanium
[03:39] <amason> EM64T i think is itanium
[03:39] <amason> which you probably don't own :)
[04:50] <brambleclaw> hey does anyone here run kubuntu 11.10 and know how to install the game "Planeshift"? i need help with wich to download and how to install it
[04:52] <amason> brambleclaw: i can't see that game in the repository
[04:52] <brambleclaw> does anyone know how to install downloaded games/
[04:52] <brambleclaw> it's not
[04:52] <amason> ah ok. so what format is your downloaded game in ?
[04:53] <brambleclaw> 32 bit?
[04:53] <amason> erm .. what is the package ?
[04:54] <amason> .deb / tgz / rpm ?
[04:54] <brambleclaw> .run
[04:54] <brambleclaw> sorry
[04:54] <amason> try chmod +x ./file.run
[04:54] <amason> and then ./file.run
[04:54] <brambleclaw> in the terminal?
[04:54] <amason> you may need to be root
[04:54] <amason> yes
[04:55] <brambleclaw> what does that mean to be root?
[04:55] <amason> you need to have root privilages
[04:56] <amason> i.e you can't be a normal user
[04:56] <brambleclaw> oh ok
[04:56] <brambleclaw> heres what i got
[04:56] <brambleclaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/746668/
[04:56] <amason> erm your being too literal
[04:57] <brambleclaw> oh ok... :P i'm new to all this sorry
[04:57] <brambleclaw> what do i need to do?
[04:57] <amason> chmod +x ./thefileyoujustdownloadedandweretalkingabout.run
[04:57] <amason> does that make more sense ?
[04:57] <brambleclaw> oh ok
[04:57] <brambleclaw> yeah thanks
[04:59] <brambleclaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/746670/ did i do something wrong?
[05:00] <brambleclaw> it is still in the "downloads" folder if that helps
[05:01] <brambleclaw> is it case sensiteive?
[05:02] <brambleclaw> ok no...
[05:03] <brambleclaw> ok i had accidentally put in an "o" instaed of a "0" but when fixed it didn't help
[05:04] <brambleclaw> i have the firefox web browser and have the downloads window open and it's there and when i tell it to open it it asks for a program?
[05:06] <brambleclaw> which application should i use?
[05:07] <hackers30> hola
[05:08] <brambleclaw> amason: i have it in my firefox "downloads" window when i try to open the file it asks for and application. which should i use?
[05:08] <robin0800> brambleclaw: if you right click the file choose permissions tab and select execute button
[05:08] <hackers30> hola
[05:08] <brambleclaw> ok
[05:08] <robin0800> brambleclaw: if you right click the file choose properties first
[05:09] <brambleclaw> yeah
[05:09] <brambleclaw> ok checked the box for executable
[05:09] <robin0800> brambleclaw: now double click it
[05:09] <hackers30> no hablan en español
[05:10] <brambleclaw> ok and it's asking for an application again
[05:10] <robin0800> brambleclaw: it should give you choices
[05:11] <brambleclaw> can i paste screenshots to the pastebin?
[05:11] <hackers30> hey
[05:14] <brambleclaw> it has an option to chose an application but it then opens a window called "another application..." that looks sort of like a dolphin window
[05:16] <brambleclaw> it has a search option?
[05:16] <robin0800> brambleclaw: open konsole cd Downloads
[05:17] <brambleclaw> i probably did this wrong :P http://paste.ubuntu.com/746677/
[05:17] <brambleclaw> ok so i capitalized the D
[05:18] <brambleclaw> and now i got this "brambleclaw@Jonathans-computer:~/Downloads$"
[05:19] <brambleclaw> what do i do now?
[05:20] <robin0800> brambleclaw: konsole  ./name of file and hit enter
[05:20] <brambleclaw> ok
[05:21] <brambleclaw> cannot execute binary file
[05:22] <robin0800> brambleclaw: thought you made it executable?
[05:22] <brambleclaw> i did should i restart the konsole?
[05:23] <brambleclaw> ok i did and it still can't
[05:23] <robin0800> brambleclaw: try sudo ./.....
[05:23] <brambleclaw> k
[05:24] <brambleclaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/746683/
[05:27] <robin0800> brambleclaw:this is why a .deb file is always easier .run files are very hit or miss IMHO
[05:27] <brambleclaw> :P ok
[05:28] <robin0800> brambleclaw: you could ask in #ubuntu
[05:28] <brambleclaw> ok
[05:28] <brambleclaw> do you know what an md5 checksum is?
[05:28] <brambleclaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/746686/
[05:31] <robin0800> brambleclaw: did you see this Check this forum thread for important installation information
[05:31] <brambleclaw> ...no :P
[05:31] <brambleclaw> i am really smart
[05:32] <brambleclaw> sorry and thanks for all your help
[05:32] <brambleclaw> yup heres an installer...
[05:36] <Nailbar> Hey all!
[05:37] <Nailbar> So the Kubuntu update is stuck on 62% with "Configuring linux-image-3.0.0-13-generic" and depmod is running at 100% CPU.
[05:38] <Nailbar> Is there any other suggestion than to kill the process and reconfigure?
[05:38] <phiscribe> how long has it been sitting there
[05:39] <Nailbar> ~15 minutes
[05:39] <phiscribe> is there a dialog witing for your input, maybe behind another, alt tab to see
[05:39] <Nailbar> No dialog
[05:39] <phiscribe> have you run out of disk space
[05:40] <phiscribe> what worries me is you might not have bootable kernel now
[05:40] <Nailbar> I still have a disk space
[05:40] <Nailbar> And yea that worries me too
[05:41] <Nailbar> But the old kernel shouls still be there, right?
[05:41] <Nailbar> So if I reconfigure grub2 that should be accessible
[05:41] <phiscribe> yes
[05:41] <phiscribe> should be....sound like famous last words
[05:41] <Nailbar> :-D
[05:42] <Nailbar> But shouldn't it be possible to run apt-get after aborting this and let it continue?
[05:42] <phiscribe> yes
[05:42] <Nailbar> Okay, I'll go with that. Thanks!
[05:43] <phiscribe> wait
[05:43] <Nailbar> Yes?
[05:43] <phiscribe> incase grub is invovled, and you still have a running os, might wanna make a supergrub2 boot disk
[05:44] <phiscribe> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/   might not need it, but be a boy scout
[05:45] <phiscribe> of couse if your good with a grub promt no need, (i am not)
[05:45] <phiscribe> boot cd that is
[05:45] <phiscribe> i might just be paranoid, (but they ARE watching me)
[05:46] <Nailbar> Well it's good to have in any case
[05:49] <Nailbar> I can skip the super-grub2 since I found the original Kubuntu CD.
[05:49] <Nailbar> Plus I didn't find any empty media
[05:49] <Nailbar> So here goes..
[05:49] <phiscribe> well, if it wont boot at all, supergrub is better, but most likely it will boot, im just being catious
[05:50] <phiscribe> fun fun fun
[05:50] <phiscribe> at least xorg.conf doesnt need editing hehe
[05:50] <Nailbar> I'll be fine. What could possibly go wrong :-D
[05:50]  * phiscribe waits for a east coast black out
[05:53] <Nailbar> So the upgrade finished with no other problems.
[05:54] <phiscribe> knock on wood
[05:54] <Nailbar> How did one reconfigure a package?
[05:54] <Nailbar> dpkg reconfigure or something like that?
[05:54] <phiscribe> man dpkg-reconfigure
[05:55] <phiscribe> dpkg-reconfigure (not just dpkg)
[05:55] <Nailbar> Check
[05:57] <Nailbar> Reconfiguration went okay. Be right back then. (or not)
[06:01] <phiscribe> salute
[06:01] <Nailbar> salute!
[06:01] <Nailbar> But I'm running the old kernel
[06:01] <Nailbar> The new one didn't show up in the boot menu
[06:01] <phiscribe> ai caramba
[06:02] <Nailbar> Oh wait..
[06:02] <Nailbar> Huh
[06:02] <Nailbar> Nvm
[06:02] <Nailbar> This is the new one
[06:02] <Nailbar> I'm just confused
[06:02] <phiscribe> id be confused if i went a day and wasnt
[06:03] <Nailbar> That..
[06:03] <Nailbar> sounds confusing
[06:03] <Nailbar> But it seems I'm safe for the moment
[06:03] <phiscribe> like military intelligence
[06:04] <Nailbar> What? Military intelligence confusing? Naah
[06:05] <Nailbar> But thanks for all the help! I gotta get back to work.
[06:05] <phiscribe> cya
[06:05] <Nailbar> \o
[07:24] <earlten> your sister channel #ubuntu hosts a bunch of candy-asses who apparently find and honest and polite clinical analysis of their lack of help "offensive"
[07:24] <phiscribe> burn the hertic
[07:24] <earlten> I have never been so offended by arrogance or rude behavior
[07:24] <phiscribe> a common mantra of hummans
[07:25] <earlten> and a complete and utter lack of willingness to help
[07:25] <pangolin> earlten: be aware the same rules apply in this channel
[07:25] <earlten> pangolin: so far the people here have been a ton better
[07:25] <earlten> dunno why
[07:25] <pangolin> earlten: you got kicked because of your behaviour
[07:26] <phiscribe> smaller numbers of people make communications easier
[07:26] <phiscribe> large amount of people, its all noise
[07:26] <pangolin> anyway, I hope someone here can help you.
[07:26] <earlten> would anyone happen to have some insight into how to force a display as the primary?
[07:26] <Tm_T> earlten: on Kubuntu?
[07:26] <phiscribe> nvidia?
[07:26] <earlten> yes
[07:26] <earlten> ATI
[07:26] <earlten> here's the hitch
[07:27] <Tm_T> earlten: System settings -> display and monitor
[07:27] <earlten> it had been working, but after installing catalyst drivers it forces the primary to my DVI display and not the VGA oe
[07:28] <Tm_T> try setting it with fgrlxtools or what was the app named (:
[07:28] <earlten> Tm_T: yep..  I set it, and it still displays the taskbar etc on the dvi display. Both Samsung, same resolution
[07:28] <phiscribe> ZaphodHeads
[07:28] <Tm_T> earlten: fglrx-amdcccle that is?
[07:28] <Nailbar> Hi! Does anyone else have this strange problem where audio output keeps jumping between speakers and headphones all the time?
[07:29] <earlten> let me try
[07:29] <phiscribe> ZaphodHeads "outputname like vga-1 goes here"  in device section of xorg, if all else fails
[07:29] <earlten> oh, yeah. I used andcccle also
[07:30] <earlten> same result.. more specifically, there's nowhere I can select which is primary in amdccle
[07:30] <phiscribe> Nailbar its not loose is it, (the headphone jack)
[07:31] <Nailbar> phiscribe, It does it even when the phones are on the table
[07:31] <earlten> I am also using multi-display desktop with display(s) 1 instead of single display desktop (Multi-desktop)
[07:32] <earlten> I've also tried multi-display desktop with display(s) 2
[07:32] <Nailbar> phiscribe: And even when they're not even plugged in
[07:33] <phiscribe> xrandr --output DISPLAYNAME --primary     might work, but u gotta know the dispaly name
[07:34] <phiscribe> but it would be temporary
[07:34] <earlten> awesome, I will give that a try
[07:34] <earlten> from there, I saw some articles where I can set it to be persistent if it works
[07:34] <phiscribe> xrandr -q     might give the display name
[07:35] <phiscribe> read my zaphoheads note above that might makeit perm, but many installations run with xorg.conf, i not got the time to explain how to get one, and dont have ati card to work with atm
[07:39] <mithrop> I'm  looking for a way to easily add colors in my shell, like in the Gentoo one. Somebody have an idea about it ?
[07:41] <phiscribe> are you using konsole mithrop?
[07:42] <mithrop> phiscribe: yes :)
[07:42] <phiscribe> mithrop  it should have a edit profile or edit colors setting, (not booted into kuubntu at the moment)
[07:43] <phiscribe> maybe unde prefrences
[07:44] <phiscribe> i cant remember, i got roxterm in front of me and its under prefrences
[07:47] <mithrop> phiscribe: yes, there is a "Edit profil" option. But I don't want just a background. Gentoo colors a lot of displayed results, and some other things
[07:50] <earlten> phiscribe: Not effective. But in the process I may have found an entirely different solution
[07:50] <earlten> well..  work-around
[07:51] <phiscribe> ah, well i was telling someone earlier, im just rambling to buy your brain time to figure it out hehe
[07:51] <earlten> not a solution to the issue, but a means by which I can effect the basic structure I am looking for
[07:51] <earlten> phiscribe: yeah..  that was me. :)
[07:51] <uberdub> anyone want to take a shot at why sleep, and resume decided to become iffy?
[07:52] <uberdub> seems to be since some upgrades
[07:52] <uberdub> used to work fine in natty
[07:53] <uberdub> its doing the same thing it was doing in slackware, I migrated from slack because its didnt work. Im guessing its the nvidia driver?
[07:54] <uberdub> I just dont understand why it worked fine before on the nvidia driver, and now doesnt
[07:54] <phiscribe> uberdub /var/logs  get your pipe and pull a sherlock holmes, or ksystemlog  if u can set nail a time, might make it easier to search
[07:55] <uberdub> yeah, forgot to look in there
[07:55] <phiscribe> i got mostly desktops, dont ever use sleep, just power the monitors off is all
[07:56] <uberdub> yeah I know linux is great on a desktop
[07:56] <earlten> phiscribe: you're a heck of a fella. I thank you for your help and time.
[07:56] <uberdub> sleep seems iffy
[07:56] <uberdub> it was either the kernel upgrade, the 11.1 upgrade, or the nvidia upgrade I think that did it
[07:56] <earlten> wait..  phiscribe are you a fella? That was quite the assumption
[07:57] <phiscribe> earlten nah, people solve their own problems, they just need some feedback ot enter the flow :)
[07:57]  * phiscribe wonders if everthing is connected via strings, how can anything be off topic
[07:58] <uberdub> should I be looking at the pm-suspend log?
[07:59] <phiscribe> uberdub im not sure, cant hurt
[08:00] <phiscribe> thats why if you had a time when it went to sleep, you might be able to search the whoel var log folder
[08:00] <phiscribe> or failed ot sleep or wake up
[08:00] <uberdub> hmmm, I could put it to sleep now
[08:00] <uberdub> it will crash
[08:00] <phiscribe> then check modified times, or open a input output monitor to see what is being writtedn too
[08:01] <uberdub> hmmmm, ok I think I know how to do that
[08:01] <phiscribe> pm-suspendd.log
[08:01] <phiscribe> should be it
[08:01] <phiscribe> or something close
[08:01] <uberdub> yeah Im not sure what Im looking at when i opened it
[08:02] <phiscribe> is it time stamped?
[08:03] <phiscribe> ugg 3 am gotta sleep
[08:03] <phiscribe> good luck
[08:03] <uberdub> thanks man
[08:04] <uberdub> trying to read it now
[08:04]  * phiscribe zzz
[08:05] <Nailbar> While playing a song the speakers stutter so I hear only every other word
[08:05] <uberdub> long file it is time stamped
[08:05] <uberdub> at the end of it now
[08:05] <Nailbar> In pavucontrol I see that the Port keeps changing between Analog Headphones and Analog Output
[08:05] <Nailbar> How do I make it stay on Analog Output?
[08:09] <mithrop> phiscribe: I find the solution... The line "force_color_prompt=yes" should be uncommented... I don't really why it's commented by default oO
[08:12] <eean> so, when can I apt-get install doom3? :D
[08:12] <eean> I'm ready to be terrorified
[08:13] <eean> (not really, I could never play that game for longer then 30 minutes)
[08:24] <haidt> i cant connect y5, please help me
[08:31] <haidt> i cant connect wifi, please help me
[08:35] <killown> I am using krandr to get an extended desktop, but I can't move window across the monitors, can anyone help me fix it?
[08:36] <haidt> wlan0 of me disabled, how to turn on it??
[09:43] <helloworld> Hello! Is it possible to sync music from ubuntu to iphone?
[09:43] <jussi> yes
[09:43] <helloworld> jussi: How?
[09:44] <jussi> hehe, you didnt ask that :D
[09:44] <jussi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[09:44] <helloworld> jussi: I forgot :P Thanks dude
[09:44] <jussi> helloworld: I think you can also use ubuntu one
[09:45] <helloworld> jussi: Alright I will try both. Once again thanks
[09:55] <rizz> hello. is anyone here familiar with spring lobby?
[10:28] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, is there a way to improve font rendering on Kubuntu 11.10. I am trying out xubuntu 11.10 and it just highlight how bad font rending is on kubuntu. any way this can be fixed?
[12:35] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I'm trying to install a program called Utube Ripper, and I'm getting a return in Konsole that says "cannot find package: utube" and "cannot find package: ripper"
[12:35] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure if I'm typing correctly.
[12:36] <szal> you didn
[12:37] <szal> you didn't tell us what you typed
[12:39] <LINKSWORD2> sudo apt-get install utube ripper
[12:40] <szal> now read your 1st line again & answer your own question ;)
[12:41] <LINKSWORD2> Don't treat me like an idiot. That's the number one way to get on my nerves... >.>
[12:41] <LINKSWORD2> If I was an idiot, I wouldn't be using Linux Kubuntu in the first place.
[12:42] <szal> !attitude
[12:43] <szal> other than that..  the space separates arguments; if that doesn't answer your question, then I'm afraid you can't be helped
[12:43] <LINKSWORD2> Then the appropriate thing to do is tell me how to fix it, instead of beating around the bush....
[12:45] <szal> LINKSWORD2: obvious answer: enter the correct name
[12:46] <LINKSWORD2> The correct name IS Utube Ripper
[12:46]  * szal doubts that that is the _package_ name
[12:47] <LINKSWORD2> The problem is likely something to link the arguments is missing. A hyphen, perhaps?
[12:47] <LINKSWORD2> Google it.
[12:47] <szal> LINKSWORD2: 'apt-cache search utube'
[12:48] <LINKSWORD2> Looks like it's just Utube in the package cache lines.
[12:48] <LINKSWORD2> That's what I needed to know.
[12:50] <LINKSWORD2> Kubuntu is still quite new to me, and I don't know all of the basics...
[12:51] <LINKSWORD2> So let me be frank with you. I had a college-level IQ in middle school, so I can do these things very easily, once I learn them.
[12:52] <LINKSWORD2> But I get an "attitude" with people when I feel like I'm being treated like I'm an idiot, because usually, I am...
[12:58] <LINKSWORD2> I don't like to be treated like I'm an idiot, and I certainly don't deserve that kind of treatment.
[12:58] <LINKSWORD2> I'll leave it at that.
[13:04] <george> hi, after running alsamixer, i ran alsactl store which returned me ~$ alsactl store
[13:04] <george> alsactl: save_state:1547: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied
[13:05] <szal> privileges
[13:05] <george> so as root it returned me ~# alsactl store
[13:05] <george> No protocol specified
[13:05] <george> xcb_connection_has_error() returned true
[13:05] <george> what's wrong?
[13:08] <george> help?
[13:16] <george> guess not...
[13:30] <psychognite> heello
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:55] <rain_> GARRRR!!!!!!!
[14:55] <rain_> So i'm bored, and am in dire need of entertainment.........
[14:56] <rain_> No one? Hunh.......
[14:56] <szal> rain_: wrong channel
[14:57] <rain_> How is it wrong, when it fells soooo right?
[14:57] <szal> this is support, not entertainment
[14:58] <rain_> What channel would you reccomend? New to IRC an..... well did I say I was bored already?
[14:59] <Riddell> rain_: #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:59] <rain_> k, thnx
[15:08] <marc-andre> hi there
[15:15] <syakamaru> test
[15:15] <syakamaru> cool!
[15:18] <nulled> hello guys
[15:18] <nulled> anybody tried running eggdrop ?
[15:24] <Deet> how do i get wine to install programs from an .exe file? i've tried right clicking and opening with win, but that never does anything
[15:28] <nulled> not all .exe files are supported by wine
[15:28] <Deet> so far i have had -zero- exe files work with wine
[15:28] <Deet> including several applications that winehq says will work and things i have used before
[15:30] <Deet> .....
[15:30] <Deet> for future refrence, wine hates spaces
[15:31] <Deet> current file works after a rename. gonna go play some AoE
[15:33] <bosyi> hi. i installed icon tasks via ppa. how i can enable it to see in my desktop(netbook-plasma)? thanks
[16:28] <Joit> hey. anyone a clue how i can restore the normal kde desktop and not to have this plasma desktop or whatever thsi is?
[16:29] <Joit> or back to the installation desktop from kubuntu?
[16:29] <kbroulik> Joit: plasma desktop IS the kde desktop
[16:30] <Joit> kbroulik:  but you get it what i mean, dont yxou? else dont bother
[16:30] <kbroulik> no I don't get it, but I was trying to figure out and help but I think this is not needed.
[16:31] <Joit> kbroulik:  right now what i have is a kde enviroment without any start menu or other menus, all i can do is press alt-f2 for a command line  and start applications
[16:32] <kbroulik> and…?
[16:32] <kbroulik> then start an application and live without a desktop.
[16:32] <Joit> i installed at the standard desktop, what comes with kubuntu at the first start, java and deinstalled it and anything was gone
[16:32] <muntiKubu> Joit: I think you go to system settings -> workspace behavior _> workspace and then select desktop instead of netbook
[16:32] <Joit> kbroulik:  well that is exactly what i DONT want
[16:33] <qbit> sounds like you've screwed it up pretty good, if you want to start all over form scratch rename your .kde folder in home directory to soemthing like .kde-bak and log out and back in a again
[16:33] <kbroulik> but you said you do NOT want the plasma desktop
[16:33] <Joit> muntiKubu:  ok i ll look for that
[16:33] <qbit> when kde sees no .kde directory you can start from scratch
[16:34] <kbroulik> or try entering plasma-desktop into the krunner but I think this is not what you want
[16:35] <qbit> and later when you get it going again you can change the desktop by right-clicking on the desktop and choosing  Desktop Settings at the bottom
[16:35] <qbit> then change Layout
[16:35] <qbit> you must unlock widgets before you can change this
[16:36] <qbit> re-lock them when you're done
[16:37] <Joit> qbit i got actaully nothing right now, all i can do is start some applications what i can remind and switch with alt-tab between them
[16:37] <Joit> at the other hand i installed much as i can right now
[16:37] <Joit> but it shows noting from it
[16:38] <Joit> i remember as the 3d desktop came out it was only, to install it or not to install it to have it, but now its tied toether
[16:41] <Joit> what is the command to get the system settings from the konsole pls
[16:41] <qbit> systemsettings
[16:41] <Joit> ty
[16:43] <Peppermint`Schna> anyone have issue with a clean install of 11.10 where in packages are screwed up (A depends on B, but B is installed already) and various apps in terminal give errors like (bash: /usr/bin/appabc: no such file when it clearly IS there when checked)
[16:45] <peace> Peppermint`Schna: mmm seems you have some weird repository
[16:45] <peace> Peppermint`Schna: i have no issue.
[16:46] <BluesKaj> Peppermint`Schna, dependency problems , if you have any ppas from the previous OS ,  comment them out in your /etc/apt/sources.list or remove them from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:54] <new2net> how do I change my hostname correctly?  I did it with `sudo hostname newhostname` but it didn't work, some things are still recognizing my old hostname.
[16:56] <Joit> i guess i start from scratch desktop is locked at workspace and i cant even change it
[16:56] <Peppermint`Schna> Peace-: BluesKaj: its a 100% fresh install
[16:56] <Peppermint`Schna> only thing i have is what comes with it.
[16:56] <Joit> anyhow that sucks so big time, deinstalling one fking package and messing anything up
[16:57] <Peace-> Peppermint`Schna: paste the error pelase
[16:57] <Peace-> please
[16:58] <Peppermint`Schna> Peace-: bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory ls -lha /usr/bin/wine -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9.5K 2011-09-15 21:49 /usr/bin/wine
[16:59] <Peppermint`Schna> thats one of the magic file not there, but ls says it is, many do that, google earth, wine, etc
[17:00] <Peace-> execute this :      type wine
[17:00] <Peppermint`Schna> at ~/ for my normal user or in /usr/bin/ ?
[17:00] <Peppermint`Schna> wine is hashed (/usr/bin/wine)
[17:02] <Peppermint`Schna> what the biscuits does that mean?
[17:03] <Peppermint`Schna> BRB
[17:20] <visio> hello!
[17:38] <mac4rfree> hi guys
[17:38] <mac4rfree> which samba client is workin in Ubuntu 11.10
[17:42] <mac4rfree> nybdy can help me?
[17:42] <genii-around> mac4rfree: I generally just use   smb://servername  in dolphin
[17:44] <Peace-> genii-around: you scared him ... nu nu nu bad boy genii-around :P
[17:45] <genii-around> Peace-: Maybe it worked for him :)
[17:45] <Peace-> :P genii-around
[17:54] <ragnarok> Question: i installed an ubuntu 10.10 dvdrom and run apt-get update, upgrade, dist -upgrade. All done. I get a notification from package manager to update to ubuntu 11.04. i run it and it gets packages. WTF?
[17:55] <OerHeks> ragnarok, current version is 11.10, so you might get more upgrades :-D
[17:56] <ragnarok> OerHeks: but i run the appropriate commands
[17:56] <ragnarok> dist upgrade is not enough?
[17:57] <OerHeks> ragnarok, what did you intent to do ? 10.10 -> 11.10 ?
[17:57] <OerHeks> cannot be done, you need to pass 11.04 first, AFAIK
[17:58] <genii-around> ragnarok: To go from version 10.10 to 11.04 you would sudo do-release-upgrade. Then after 11.04 is completely updated, same thing again to go to 11.10
[17:58] <genii-around> etc, etc
[17:58] <ragnarok> OerHeks: upgrade to the latest thing
[17:58] <ragnarok> genii-around: oh
[17:58] <ragnarok> genii-around: then what dist-upgrade does?
[17:59] <genii-around> ragnarok: dist-upgrade installs new kernels
[17:59] <ragnarok> oh
[17:59] <ragnarok> genii-around: ok so i run do-release-upgrade
[17:59] <ragnarok> then do i run upgrade and dist-upgrade
[17:59] <ragnarok> before running do-release-upgrade again?
[17:59] <genii-around> ragnarok: Yes, exactly
[18:00] <esmirlin> hi guys, is there any plasmoid to use as a simple applications menu, like the folder view one but just for app's?
[18:01] <Peace-> esmirlin: the normal laucher doesn't fit?
[18:03] <esmirlin> Peace-: i want to replace kickoff cause it's buggy with bespin style so i though about using folderview plasmoid showing all applications (i think it's possible by setting it to use the application folder but don't know where it is in kubuntu) like very simple and clean you know what i mean?
[18:04] <Peace-> esmirlin: there is a qml plasmoid
[18:04] <genii-around> Not sure if it fits your criteria exactly but there's the lancelot plasmoid
[18:04] <Peace-> esmirlin: if you go on kde apps
[18:04] <Peace-> you should found qml launcher
[18:04] <esmirlin> genii-around: i used it but i want to be far away from main manu launchers... they're heavy and ugly
[18:05] <esmirlin> Peace-: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ylEqGH4CUt8/TjcPGIhsA6I/AAAAAAAAEEI/HLCKytElWa0/s1600/launcher.jpeg      ????
[18:06] <Peace-> esmirlin: you want this?
[18:06] <Peace-> there is
[18:07] <esmirlin> it looks amazing, but what i proposed... is possible?
[18:07] <Peace-> esmirlin: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Takeoff?content=144078
[18:08] <esmirlin> is there any folder in kubuntu where i can found all apps? like this i could open the folderview and showing all apps, that could be really nice and clean and don't have to open a "whole screan" to launch
[18:09] <esmirlin> actually i want to use icon tasks for launchers, and what i proposed for launching applications i don't use very often, then i can replace entierly kickoff
[18:10] <esmirlin> Peace-:
[18:11] <Peace-> esmirlin: https://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/os-x-launchpad-menu-on-kde4/
[18:15] <esmirlin> ok ill try it, thanks guys!
[18:15] <esmirlin> genii-around: by the way, didn't found the way to erase the tag in xbar from bespin hehe
[18:36] <kierkkadon> what's the package name for Android SDK? I can't find it in my package manager
[19:04] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[19:25] <BarkingFish> Evening guys, have a bit of a problem here. I've just installed kdenlive, and an error which I saw some while ago, back in natty, appears to have resurfaced.  One of kdenlive's modules, the SDL module, is missing, and without it Kdenlive will not start.
[19:26] <BarkingFish> actually it's MLT's SDL module which is missing
[19:38] <BarkingFish> Anyone got any thoughts?
[19:38] <qbit> BarkingFish: I just tried installing Kdenlive here and it seems to run fine for me
[19:38] <BarkingFish> qbit: which kde version are you on?
[19:38] <qbit> 4.7.3
[19:38] <BarkingFish> yeah, I'm on stable, 4.6.2
[19:43] <qbit> libmlt4 is showing dependency on libsdl1.2debian  >= 1.2.10-1
[19:43] <BarkingFish> i'll check my system over and see if it's in there
[19:47] <qbit> on mine I have libsdl1.2 debian version 1.2.14-6.1ubuntu4 and libsdl.debian-alsa version 1.2.14-6.1ubuntu4 as well
[19:51] <BarkingFish> i've checked my system, i have the libsdl1.2- files, and kdenlive won't run
[19:52] <qbit> have you run it from a konsole cli to see if it spews errors?
[19:54] <BarkingFish> nope, not yet, i'll do that now
[19:55] <qbit> sometimes you can get hints from the spew if you're lucky; other times it just adds to the confusion   :-)
[19:56] <BarkingFish> spews nothing whatsoever
[19:56] <qbit> also right afterwards take a look at .xsession-errors in your home directory
[19:56] <BarkingFish> tells me the project and clip monitor connected, i get the ui, and it stops there
[19:57] <qbit> I haven't actually tried to do anything with mine, I just installed and ran it a couple of times
[20:33] <BarkingFish> !info libsdl1.2
[20:34] <BarkingFish> !info libsdl1.2-debian oneiric
[20:34] <BarkingFish> !info libsdl1.2-debian-all
[20:35] <BarkingFish> right, then why is it in apper as being available, and "manually installed" on my system when I try to get it again???
[20:36] <qbit> alas, for that I have no clue....
[20:37] <BarkingFish> maybe this is why :)
[20:37] <BarkingFish> !info libsdl1.2debian-all oneiric
[20:37] <BarkingFish> alas, one too many -'s
[20:41] <phiscribe> if its from a PPA source, it might show under manual, are you using custom ppa's?  maybe they are introducting diffrent libraries
[20:43] <BarkingFish> phiscribe: no, I'm using no PPA's whatsoever
[20:43] <phiscribe> gremlins then....
[20:43] <BarkingFish> I took all my custom stuff out when I had all the issues with KDE 4.7.3 being busted
[20:44] <BarkingFish> I downgraded back to 4.6.2 and that's where I'm staying :)
[20:45] <qbit> I just added the ppa for 4.7.3 this morning and gave it a try, haven't beat on it long/hard enough yet to know what's b0rked
[20:45] <qbit> had to reboot twice before kwin didn't want to peg the cpu
[20:46] <phiscribe> i had upgraded to 11.10 kicking and screaming, ive seriosly thought of going to ubuntu 5.something cause of stability
[20:47] <qbit> mine seems to be doing fairly well, but it's a fresh virgin install and not an upgrade
[20:49] <BarkingFish> qbit: on 4.7.3, plasma-desktop is having a multitude of random crashes when you do a considerable amount of different things
[20:50] <BarkingFish> adding widgets for example, trying to add panels, closing the systemsettings GUI, trying to run k3b and closing it, or cancelling a burn...
[20:50] <qbit> hasn't happened to me yet
[20:50] <qbit> but I will be on the lookout
[20:50] <BarkingFish> or any one of about another 50 or so situations that have bought a huge number of bugs into kde's bugzilla
[20:52] <qbit> I image with Clonezilla before any major upgrade, so if I see stuff I don't want I'll just put the old 4.7.2 image back
[20:59] <BarkingFish> !ppa
[21:00] <BarkingFish> phiscribe: can you remember how I add a ppa to software sources please?
[21:00] <BarkingFish> I have the ppa i need, but the line I put into the software sources / add dialog doesn't illuminate the OK button, so I assume it's wrong
[21:01] <phiscribe> add-apt-repository ppa:nameofppa  along those lines
[21:01] <nicolindalciucio> #ubuntu-it-chat
[21:02] <phiscribe> italian
[21:02] <BarkingFish> ah, i'm not doing it through command line, phiscribe - i'm adding it through the software sources dialog in apper
[21:02] <phiscribe> usage is for most irc clients /j #channame
[21:02] <BarkingFish> !it | nicolindalciucio
[21:04] <BarkingFish> phiscribe: got it :)  you type ppa:<name of ppa here> and that's the correct version, same as you type on the CLI
[21:32] <semitones> does Kate's find/replace function have a wildcard that can be used?
[21:32] <semitones> like * stands for anything
[21:40] <rork> semitones: kate supports regular expressions, you can use .+or . as wildcards (multiple / single characters respectively)
[21:40] <semitones> thanks -- how do I tell it that .+ is a wildcard, and not the characters ?
[21:41] <rork> semitones: extra options, set type to regexp
[21:42] <semitones> ok, thanks!
[23:11] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, is it difficult to install Fedora alongside Kubuntu?
[23:25] <Peppermint`Schna> what could make kubuntu lose its apt mind? namely, installing an app it keeps says 83 removals, then, when i select something, it reisntalls those same ones, but then errors with 'package a wanted package b, but b was already installed'
[23:26] <Riddell> Peppermint`Schna: if that's a request for help you should pastebin some logs
[23:29] <Peppermint`Schna> Riddell: i would gladly do so, /var/log/aptitude however /doesnt have the errors/
[23:30] <Peppermint`Schna> they only show up /in/ aptitude and go away as soon as I do anything with the terminal
[23:30] <Peppermint`Schna> I can show you the aptitude log of what i did to so far fix the sistuation (basicly purge a boat load of package then reisntall them, but i can easily re-break the system)
[23:33] <Peppermint`Schna> honestly, i guess right now im more worried about the 'hashed' issue (which, might be related to the package issue, but i do not know)
[23:33] <Peppermint`Schna> and this i have logs for
[23:34] <Peppermint`Schna> bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory ls -lha /usr/bin/wine -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9.5K 2011-09-15 21:49 /usr/bin/wine
[23:35] <Peppermint`Schna> type wine   wine is hashed (/usr/bin/wine)
[23:35] <Peppermint`Schna> any ideas on that?


[07:56] <ngaio> Is it a bug that GVFS doesn't seem to function when KDE is the desktop? I see gvfsd-fuse in /etc/mtab, but GVolumeMonitor doesn't seem to monitor anything.
[08:16] <ikonia> Nothing_Much: I don't think fuse will show up in mtab
[08:16] <ikonia> oops
[08:16] <ikonia> sorry that was meant for ngaio, but he's left
[08:27] <Nothing_Much> ikonia: np
[09:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:17] <ses1984> is this channel logged? i was trying to see if there was any discussion of 15.04 on macbooks
[15:17] <Odd_Bloke> ses1984: Yep, at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[15:18] <ses1984> hmm no way to search? i guess i can write a quicky script to scrape the logs for this channel for the last n days
[15:19] <ses1984> i might do that later
[15:20] <ses1984> anyway i was really interested in using a version of ubuntu on kernel version 3.17+ and it seems like 15.04 is it. or using a newer kernel with an older release would be an option
[15:23] <lordievader> ses1984: Google?
[15:25] <ses1984> google what? like site:irclogs.ubuntu.com "ubuntu+1" macbook 2015 ?
[15:25] <ses1984> returns a lot of crap ... it does not do an exact search on "ubuntu+1"
[15:27] <lordievader> Hmm, I thought it was channel -> date. Date -> channel does make it a lot harder.
[15:27] <lordievader> Too bad Google doesn't accept wildcards in the 'site' field.
[15:31] <Pici> 36
[19:18] <rww> For future reference: site:irclogs.ubuntu.com inurl:ubuntu+1 inurl:2015 macbook
[19:18] <rww> I use something similar for #ubuntu-ops that works fine, anyway
[19:18] <rww> i assume the + in +1 won't break it