[07:16] <boeroe> subrtnl :what can i do more
[07:16] <liuchao> leopard:  you NO. QQ ?
[07:16] <Leopard> yes ty X-DeluXe
[07:16] <Leopard> oh i dont have QQ yet
[07:17] <Leopard> i can get QQ
[07:17] <liuchao> oh`` You msn?
[07:17] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: did that work for you?
[07:17] <Leopard><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:17] <boeroe> no
[07:17] <sunilonln> X-DeluXe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[07:17] <boeroe> what can i do
[07:17] <liuchao> OK` `<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:17] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: well, you can download the source and compile it yourself
[07:18] <Leopard> ok i add you
[07:18] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: after you have tried to sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install hplip
[07:18] <Jucato> yes, and plesae continue your conversation in private there. thanks
[07:18] <liuchao> OK`
[07:18] <boeroe> oke how do i do that
[07:18] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: eeeeeh Gutsy Gibbon is NOT out yet
[07:18] <boeroe> i have kubunto 6.06
[07:19] <sub[t]rnl> !hplip
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hplip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <Jucato> !printer
[07:19] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:19] <X-DeluXe> sunilonln: but if you follow these instructions you'll just make the security updates
[07:19] <Leopard> Jucato: , so how is your day today sir.... can you tell me what the delay with 7.10 gibbon of gutsing is all about?
[07:19] <sub[t]rnl> thanks Jucato
[07:19] <boeroe> yes i did that first update and then install but it did not work\
[07:20] <Jucato> Leopard: there wasn't any specific time given for the release.
[07:20] <Leopard> Jujitsu Cato was Bruce Lee JUcato i like nick Jucato is it Brazilian?
[07:20] <sub[t]rnl> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/manual/download.html <- heres the link to get hplip
[07:20] <Jucato> so for all we know, it might not be late at all
[07:20] <boeroe> thx
[07:20] <X-DeluXe> no delay, they have still time until 23:59 utc
[07:20] <Jucato> Leopard: you can join #ubuntu-release-party and wait with the excited people. they might know
[07:20] <Leopard> ok
[07:20] <liuchao> leopard : i'am addid you
[07:21] <Leopard> ok :)
[07:21] <liuchao> leopard : you not online
[07:21] <Leopard> no invisible
[07:21] <Leopard> i send you message
[07:21] <liuchao> OK`
[07:22] <Leopard> i am online
[07:22] <Leopard> my family is on msn \
[07:22] <Leopard> they make my life hell when visible
[07:22] <Leopard> :)
[07:22] <Leopard> spam me :(
[07:22] <liuchao> ``````我不懂你说的
[07:23] <Leopard> my sister is worse she thinks 3 hour phone calls are normal :/
[07:23] <Jucato> you two, please take the conversation in private
[07:23] <Leopard> Jucato: :)
[07:23] <liuchao> sorry , I english so bad
[07:23] <Leopard> its fine
[07:24] <dorkface> I'd like to have a ton of pictures for a desktop-background slideshow that are stored in a folder.  Do I have to select each individual picture, or is there an easier way?
[07:25] <Jucato> dorkface: Ctrl+A to select all
[07:25] <dorkface> ha, duh
[07:25]  * dorkface smacks himself
[07:25] <Leopard> dorkface ;)
[07:27] <Leopard> are they any  apps for K(de)UBUNTU to have a panoramic wallpaper that moves through a landscape ?
[07:27] <liuchao> leopard： you from USA?
[07:27] <Leopard> Netherlands
[07:28] <Leopard> if i was from USA my internet would be slow like Jucato :)
[07:28] <liuchao> : )
[07:28] <dorkface> :)
[07:29] <Jucato> and who said I'm even in that continent?
[07:29] <Leopard> sorry
[07:29] <Leopard> it was a bad joke
[07:29] <Jucato> very
[07:29] <liuchao> Netherlands =荷兰
[07:30] <Leopard> you are in 1 second ping area
[07:30] <liuchao> leopard :    Netherlands =荷兰
[07:30] <Leopard> Netherlands is the country USA govt. hired to fix the levies in New Orleans to prevent another Katrina large part of Holland is below sealevel
[07:30] <boeroe> subtrnl: another headache cannot compile
[07:31] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: what dependencie was unmet?
[07:31] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: or what did it gripe about
[07:31] <boeroe> when i type ./configure  it said :
[07:31] <boeroe> checking for gcc... no
[07:31] <boeroe> checking for cc... no
[07:31] <boeroe> checking for cl.exe... no
[07:31] <boeroe> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[07:32] <liuchao> Netherlands is the country USA govt. OK`i see`
[07:32] <liuchao> thanks`
[07:32] <Leopard> lol
[07:32] <liuchao> : )
[07:32] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: do a sudo apt-get install build-essential, then we'll go from there
[07:33] <boeroe> i just out the last 4 lines because i cannot put the whole message here
[07:33] <Leopard> liuchao : this is Holland we are Snorks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuCq0aZiPT0
[07:33] <boeroe> oke
[07:33] <sub[t]rnl> bbiab, cig
[07:33] <skyion> the new kubuntu gets released today?
[07:33] <Leopard> yes
[07:33] <dorkface> yep
[07:33] <Leopard> of course
[07:33] <Leopard> :)
[07:33] <Leopard> jk
[07:33] <Leopard> no
[07:33] <Leopard> ;(
[07:33] <Leopard> tomorrow
[07:34] <Leopard> so it seems
[07:34] <dorkface> depends where you live :P
[07:34] <boeroe> this is what i get:
[07:34] <boeroe> Reading package lists... Done
[07:34] <boeroe> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:34] <boeroe> Package build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:34] <boeroe> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:34] <boeroe> is only available from another source
[07:34] <boeroe> E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate
[07:35] <liuchao> leopard :  i don't login it`
[07:35] <Leopard> ok
[07:35] <Leopard> np
[07:35] <liuchao> what is np?
[07:35] <dorkface> boeroe: Are your repositories set?
[07:35] <dorkface> np = no problem
[07:35] <Leopard> no problemo
[07:35] <liuchao> OK` thanks
[07:35] <boeroe> i dont know . i left it standard
[07:36] <Jucato> !flood | boeroe
[07:36] <ubotu> boeroe: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:36] <liuchao> login full
[07:36] <liuchao> why?
[07:36] <boeroe> how can i show you the repositories. i now where to find it in the adept manager
[07:37] <Jucato> boeroe: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:37] <Jucato> use pastebin ^^^
[07:37] <boeroe> oke one moment
[07:37] <liuchao> where is leopard
[07:37] <dorkface> or, if you want to, go to adept-manager, click "adept", and go to repositories
[07:37] <dorkface> just another option :)
[07:37] <sub[t]rnl> k, back
[07:38] <X-DeluXe> dont change the sources or you'll lose the security in ur system
[07:38] <Jucato> Leopard: stop that
[07:38] <Leopard> oops :o
[07:38] <Leopard> sorry
[07:39] <Leopard> i was ping echolocating through Adaptive Latent Semantic Analysis
[07:39] <Leopard> Jucato : :)
[07:39] <Pendeta> I've just installed Kubutu 7.10 on our server. Internet access works. Then I downloaded and installed the Kpackage package handler. Then I
[07:39] <Pendeta> tried to install Subversion using Kpackage. At this point, it asked me to reinsert the Kubuntu CD and hit enter (looks like it needs some
[07:39] <Pendeta> support modules from the CD); when I do this it asks me again to insert the Kubuntu CD and hit enter , over and over in an endless circle.
[07:39] <Pendeta> What is the problem? and how do I overcome it?
[07:39] <Leopard> i hope this doesnt ruin our friendship Jucato
[07:39] <Leopard> jejeje xD
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, shouldn't sudo apt-get update fix boeroe's problems?
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> i would think
[07:41] <X-DeluXe> Pendeta: you downloaded a beta version, just wait for the official release
[07:42] <Leopard> Jucato does the Kubuntu kernel use realtime data evocation as substandard data protocol?
[07:42] <Jucato> no idea
[07:42] <Leopard> ok
[07:42] <ndrea> j
[07:43] <liuchao> leopard : i'am go home` see you next time`  bye bye `!
[07:43] <Leopard> bye
[07:43] <liuchao> bye`
[07:44] <dorkface> I want to bind a keyboard shortcut to "desktop access", but right clicking the icon doesn't allow me to edit it.  How can I make the shortcut?
[07:45] <Pendeta> X-DeluXe, looks like I will have to wait then, as the previous version doesn't support my lan card. Is there no way around this problem?
[07:45] <Pendeta> I'm bleeding from the cutting edge!
[07:47] <boeroe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41029/    this is my source  list
[07:47] <boeroe> took a while sorry
[07:47] <Leopard> boeroe you dutch?
[07:47] <Leopard> :0
[07:47] <boeroe> yes
[07:47] <Leopard> BOEREN BOEREN psv eindhoven?
[07:47] <boeroe> ha ha
[07:48] <Leopard> :)
[07:48] <X-DeluXe> Pendeta: beta versions are ONLY for testing purposes
[07:48] <boeroe> ben gefrusteerd door die hp printer van me
[07:48] <Leopard> oh minder
[07:49] <X-DeluXe> Pendeta: so better wait some hours... (or maybe until tomorrow???) for the official release
[07:51] <boeroe> subtrnl:still there
[07:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh lord my paper is finally done and i am ready to pass out
[07:51] <slimjimflim_> anybody know how to get divx support in firefox?
[07:51] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe: barely :P
[07:52] <sub[t]rnl> ok, sources
[07:52] <sub[t]rnl> boeroe add -> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[07:53] <sub[t]rnl> to your sources
[07:53] <sub[t]rnl> sources.list
[07:53] <sub[t]rnl> then sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get install hplip
[07:53] <Pendeta> X-DeluXe, it's really due out that soon? If so, I can wait.
[07:53] <boeroe> oke
[07:55] <skyion> its 08:54 here :)
[07:55] <skyion> am
[07:55] <Leopard> 8:55
[07:56] <Leopard> 8:56
[07:56] <skyion> you are worse than a kid before christmas
[07:56] <skyion> :D
[07:56] <Leopard> whom,/// ?
[07:56] <Leopard> :/
[07:56] <skyion> you...
[07:56] <Leopard> no why..
[07:56] <Neil3> hey folks will gutsy be including kde 3.5.8 by default?
[07:56] <skyion> you are counting
[07:57] <sub[t]rnl> Neil3: yes
[07:57] <Neil3> sweet
[07:57] <Neil3> that was a last minute change eh? :)
[07:57] <Jucato> more like last days change
[07:57]  * skyion :)
[07:57]  * skyion << is happy
[07:57] <Neil3> yeah unusual to change a piece of software so close to release, very unusual
[07:58] <Neil3> but very appreciated
[07:58] <flysuperman> maybe someone here can help me, i just upgraded from the RC of gusty gibbon to the final release, running kubuntu, after the upgrade my audio will not play, i reinstalled all audio components (alsa, etc...), but seeing no change, amarok returns the error "the device is busy" but i have no other apps that should be using the audio, i've also tried setting the apps to alsa instead of autodetect w/o success, any ideas?
[07:59] <Neil3> is arts running?
[07:59] <boeroe> i am going to restart my system cannot start adept manger
[07:59] <Neil3> flysuperman, try disabling arts, it sometimes hogs the sound card
[07:59] <flysuperman> k
[07:59] <flysuperman> sec
[07:59] <dorkface> arts?
[08:00] <Neil3> but then it might also be a driver issue with your card
[08:00] <skyion> /etc/init.d/arts stop ?
[08:00] <dorkface> yeah, my laptop sound is busted too
[08:00] <Neil3> you can do it in the kde control centre, under sound
[08:01] <X-DeluXe> Pendeta: sorry, yes you're too soon
[08:01] <flysuperman> nope, no luck neil3
[08:01] <Neil3> untick 'enable sound server' or something similar to that (not infront of kubuntu now)
[08:01] <Neil3> damn
[08:02] <dorkface> I tried removing and "make install"ing drivers, but when I tried to compile them, I got an error
[08:03] <X-DeluXe> Pendeta: "Gutsy Gibbon is NOT out yet (and NO, we don't know when exactly it will be!)" for details go to #ubuntu-release-party
[08:04] <Pendeta> Thanks, X-DeluXe. I'll just wait then.
[08:05] <boeroe> can you give me the line again which i have to add to the source list\
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> err, change that gutsy to dapper
[08:05] <boeroe> oke
[08:06] <sub[t]rnl> im ff to bed, night guys
[08:06] <Leopard> gn
[08:06] <Leopard> missouri man
[08:07] <pillowpants> whats a good torrent tracker that you guys use?
[08:08] <Leopard> demonoid
[08:08] <Leopard> lol oops :/
[08:08] <pillowpants> Leopard : you use demonoid?
[08:08] <Leopard> sometimes
[08:09] <pillowpants> what do you use othertimes?
[08:09] <Leopard> usenet
[08:09] <simes> i have a problem with openoffice on kubuntu, is this the right place to ask questions?
[08:09] <Leopard> yush simes
[08:09] <pillowpants> Leopard : i never really figured out usenet
[08:09] <pillowpants> simes : shoot
[08:10] <Leopard> usenet is just mail lots of mail its grey area really
[08:10] <Leopard> its easy
[08:10] <boeroe> and now
[08:10] <Leopard> usenet predates the whole internet
[08:10] <boeroe> already did an update
[08:10] <pillowpants> Leopard : ah, demonoid is a private tracker, i was unaware of that
[08:11] <pillowpants> Leopard : yeah, ive read about it
[08:11] <pillowpants> Leopard : is it practical for getting files?
[08:12] <pillowpants> Leopard : want to send me an invitation code, eh eh?
[08:13] <pillowpants> joking
[08:15] <Leopard> sure
[08:15] <Leopard> why not
[08:15] <simes> i have *upgraded* to 7.10
[08:15] <Leopard> IM me
[08:16] <pillowpants> whats your sn
[08:16] <simes> and now openoffice does a strange thing... when i open a document from the file manager or desktop
[08:16] <boeroe> great i could instaal the holib now
[08:16] <pillowpants> or over this
[08:16] <simes> the icons in the tool bar are not visible
[08:16] <boeroe> many thanks wish i could give you a beer
[08:16] <simes> or more precisely they come and go
[08:16] <simes> also the menus
[08:17] <simes> if i hover the mouse i see the icon
[08:17] <boeroe> many thanks:subtrnl
[08:17] <simes> BUT if i open openoffice first and then open a cdocument this doesn't happen
[08:18] <Leopard> pillowpants : you want it?
[08:18] <simes> i guess i should post it as a bug on launch pad
[08:19] <pillowpants> Leopard : sure
[08:19] <pillowpants> Leopard : do you have aim?
[08:19] <Leopard> Scroogiesan
[08:19] <Leopard> is my aim
[08:19] <simes> i've tried to disinstall open-office and cancel all my user settings and purge the deb cache
[08:19] <pillowpants> Leopard : alright
[08:19] <simes> but even then (after re-installing) i get the same problem
[08:20] <simes> i switch to gnome and it works fine
[08:20] <pillowpants> Leopard : messaged you
[08:24] <flysuperman> i'm getting this error in amarok, Audio output unavailable; the device is busy., since updating to 7.10 final, upgraded from the RC, nothing else is running which uses the audio device, i've reinstalled xine, codecs, etc... still getting no audio from anything, ideas?
[08:26] <simes> nobody taking on my openoffice problem?
[08:33] <thomas> bummer. I just got banned from te release party channel
[08:34] <feierfox> hi folks
[08:34] <feierfox> need an kubuntu 7.10 torrent
[08:34] <thomas> ain't out yet
[08:34] <feierfox> want to save traffic
[08:34] <feierfox> ;/
[08:35] <thomas> depressing, no?
[08:35] <simes> there are still teething problems
[08:36] <simes> what time of day is it in canonical?
[08:37] <X-DeluXe> 08:30
[08:37] <thomas> teeting problems, you say? :(
[08:37] <X-DeluXe> in london
[08:38] <simes> i have issues with openoffice for example ;-)
[08:38] <thomas> Hm, nothing too detrimental I hope? Do you have the beta running?
[08:39] <simes> no non è
[08:39] <simes> it's nothing fatal
[08:39] <simes> both my machines are running kubuntu 7.10rc
[08:39] <thomas> wonder what's taking them so long. I guess I assumed they would just have those things finished by the day before, ready to go for today
[08:40] <simes> and they take ages to shutdown... it appears that networkmanager hangs
[08:40] <thomas> fantastic
[08:40] <simes> and i have a wierd problem with icons in openoffice
[08:40] <simes> apart from that all is fine
[08:40] <thomas> you're breeding nothing but confidence
[08:40] <simes> my eyecandy works  a dream
[08:41] <thomas> well, as long as the pretty stuff works
[08:41] <simes> yup
[08:48] <internecion> I have a pretty big problem when trying to update.
[08:48] <internecion> During my updates, I'll get random freezes and be forced to restart.
[08:49] <internecion> I am running off a fresh install of Kubuntu 7.04
[08:50] <simes> painful :-(
[08:50] <simes> have you tried doing the update from a console
[08:51] <internecion> Yeah, I have, but the same thing happens.
[08:51] <internecion> I had the CD in the repositories for a while when trying to get the wireless on this computer to work, but I have since removed them.
[08:52] <feierfox> away
[08:53] <sunilonln> i think i have everything working now in gutsy
[08:53] <sunilonln> except something is causing windows to snap when i drag, and it's not compiz
[08:57] <waylandbill> sunilonln: the window manager is responsible for that.
[08:58] <Vosper> has gutsy been released yet?
[08:58] <internecion> @Vosper: I believe it has.
[08:58]  * Jucato points to the channel topic
[08:59] <thomas> It has not.
[09:01] <sunilonln> waylandbill: where can i change it?
[09:04] <german> was eased?
[09:04] <german> was 7.10 released?
[09:04] <Jucato> no announcement yet
[09:05] <tharun> Hi I have been having an issue with gutsy, where when I restart the computer, there is no window manager running (no borders, titlebar etc.) and KDE itself is real slow... I have to manually restart the X-server(?) Ctrl+Alt+BkSpc multiple times to get it right again. Help?
[09:05] <tharun> Also, I cannot switch between windows, and can only interact with the topmost window. I am currently having this issue as I just restarted...
[09:09] <german> i heard somethign yesterday about needing to close all internet ports while using linux? is that true?
[09:10] <Edenbeast> german, no but it helps if you make sure all your windows are closed
[09:10] <RancidZA> 'close all internet ports'
[09:10] <RancidZA> wtf
[09:10] <Edenbeast> it gets chilly this time of year ;-)
[09:12] <cash> Hello Im sorry ,no one news when will be uploaded Gutsy ?
[09:12] <thomas> I close my ports all the time. Don't want my computer leaking onto the internet.
[09:13] <simes> nice to know we have ports that we *can* close
[09:13] <simes> other operating systems have built in ports that are always open
[09:13] <simes> the only thing open about them
[09:14] <simes> imho....
[09:15] <hangthedj> !topic | cash
[09:15] <ubotu> cash: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[09:16] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[09:18] <contrast83> I'm trying to set up .xinitrc and am having a bit of trouble. Could someone help me out?
[09:20] <simes> i fixed my problem with openoffice
[09:21] <ibensw> When will gutsy gibbon be released?
[09:21] <simes> sudo apt-get purge openoffice*
[09:22] <stdin> ibensw: read the topic
[09:22] <pillowpants> simes what does purge do again?
[09:22] <pillowpants> remove?
[09:22] <simes> yeah but also cancel residual settings 'n stuff
[09:23] <simes> so i installed the debs from openoffice.org
[09:23] <simes> :-(
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: removes the files and settings
[09:23] <simes> i copped out
[09:23] <simes> i'm filing a bug in launchpad
[09:23] <vlt> Hello. How can I delete an entry in Konqueror's "block images from this fomain" list?
[09:23] <vlt> domain*
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> you blocked something you wish to unblock it?
[09:24] <pillowpants> WaltzingAlong : ah, right
[09:25] <vlt> WaltzingAlong: Yes.
[09:25] <contrast83> Would someone mind having a quick look at my .xinitrc to see if there's an apparent reason it's not doing *anything*? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41035/
[09:27] <vlt> WaltzingAlong: Ok, found it. It's in the ad blocker section.
[09:28] <Hamra> hi all, i did all the upgrades listed in the adept notifier, now in the grub menu, i see 2 kernels, 2.6.20-15 and 2.6.20-16, the first one boots normal, the second one doesnt start X, and when i type kdeinit, it says $DISPLAY not set!
[09:28] <WaltzingAlong> vlt: it may be in with adblock
[09:28] <WaltzingAlong> ah you have
[09:29] <simes> .xsession does things too
[09:29] <simes> especially if you are logging in from gdm/kdm
[09:30] <simes> $HOME/.xsession
[09:30] <simes>               is a sequence of commands invoking  X  clients  (or  a  session  manager  such  as  xsm(1x)).   See  the  manual  page  for  xinit  and/or
[09:30] <simes>               /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession for tips on writing an .xsession file.
[09:30] <contrast83> simes: thanks
[09:31] <Hamra> help here?
[09:32] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: boot the one that works
[09:33] <stdin> Hamra: make sure you aren't booting the recovery mode option
[09:35] <Hamra> nope im not, the one ending in 15 is working good, so i can safely neglect the other one?
[09:35] <nicus> hi there.. is today the release of gutsy gibbon?
[09:36] <cash> nicus =)))  I think some people soon kill U and me )))))
[09:37] <nicus> lol.. i knew that i'm no the only one :D
[09:37] <stdin> nicus: it's today, but it's not out yet, and no, we don't know exactly when
[09:37] <feimao_> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2500+ at 1830 MHz (3665 bogomips), , RAM: 497/503MB, 130 proc's, 8.23h up
[09:37] <nicus> Ok thanks for help
[09:37] <cash> nicus in all chanels all people say look in /topic )
[09:38] <nicus> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/ ??
[09:38] <stdin> that's the RC image
[09:38] <nicus> doh, sry
[09:38] <WaltzingAlong> nicus: cdimage does not (typically) have the new release
[09:38] <stdin> I'll update the topic when it's out, so you'll know
[09:38] <nicus> thanks :)
[09:39] <cash> stdin thnx stdin ))
[09:41] <contrast83> So, I've been running Gutsy on my desktop since Tribe 4. Should I reinstall upon the official release to ensure everything's squeaky clean, or is that overkill?
[09:41] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: seems a bit to me
[09:41] <Jucato> overkill
[09:42] <contrast83> Yeah, figured so. I'd read of a couple people in the +1 channel doing that, so I just wanted to check.
[09:42] <Jucato> your $HOME settings will always override system-wide settings anyway. so unless you wish nuke your home
[09:42] <contrast83> Right
[09:44] <d1n0> are there no big updates in the final release today?
[09:44] <contrast83> Anyone tried Kubuntu Beta 3 yet?
[09:45] <contrast83> Err, KDE 4 Beta 3
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: tis installed, not used yet
[09:46] <RancidZA> lol contrast83
[09:47] <stdin> d1n0: probably not, it doesn't help making updates when you're trying to make a release ISO
[09:47] <contrast83> i'm off to check it out now, just finished installing. peace, y'all.
[09:47] <d1n0> so there is nothing new?
[09:47] <contrast83> happy gutsy day :-)
[09:47] <stdin> d1n0: probably not for a little while
[09:48] <Jucato> stdin: how bout the kopete fix?
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> have seen the fix for i386 but not yet for amd64
[09:48] <stdin> Jucato: I said "little while", that could mean "a couple hours" ;)
[09:49] <Jucato> lol ok  ok you got me :)
[09:50] <GNUton> hello
[09:51] <GNUton> is the gutsy ISO avaible?
[09:51] <stdin> not yet, see the /topic
[09:51] <GNUton> stdin: ok, thank you.
[09:52] <stdin> GNUton: probably be a few hours yet
[09:52] <GNUton> stdin: great! :)
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb  not the kopete fix ?
[09:55] <bburatti> hello
[09:55] <bburatti> kopete crash will be fix soon ?
[09:56] <pag> bburatti,  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb should fix it.
[09:57] <bburatti> ok thanks
[09:57] <deadchip> where can i find sources.list entries for Kubuntu?
[09:57] <deadchip> this is probably the #1 FAQ or something but i couldn't find it
[09:58] <stdin> deadchip: in /etc/apt
[09:58] <deadchip> stdin: that's not what i meant
[09:59] <deadchip> i didn't mean where to add it, but where to find the ones for kubuntu
[09:59] <deadchip> ok maybe it's a wrong premise
[09:59] <stdin> what do you mean exactly?
[09:59] <deadchip> i supposed they are not part of default Ubuntu (i'm on Gutsy) and i have to add them like for any other addon repos
[09:59] <stdin> Ubuntu and Kubuntu use the same repos
[09:59] <deadchip> ah ok thanks!
[10:00] <deadchip> ok
[10:05] <brave_heart> while running chroot, it throws the error "chroot: cannot run command `tcsh': No such file or directory"
[10:06] <marcreichelt> hiho
[10:06] <marcreichelt> is there a Mirror which already has Kubuntu 7.10?
[10:06] <stdin> no
[10:06] <santibiotico> hi
[10:06] <stdin> it's not out yet
[10:06] <marcreichelt> or BitTorrent?
[10:06] <marcreichelt> k
[10:06] <stdin> no
[10:06] <santibiotico> marcreichelt--> http://releases.ubuntu.org.ua/kubuntu/gutsy/
[10:06] <stdin> no it's not
[10:06] <brave_heart> while running chroot, it throws the error "chroot: cannot run command `tcsh': No such file or directory" ????????????
[10:07] <marcreichelt> ah - great
[10:07] <marcreichelt> thanks santibiotico :)
[10:07] <stdin> brave_heart: try "chroot /path /bin/bash"
[10:07] <santibiotico> :)
[10:07] <stdin> marcreichelt: that's the release, incomplete ISO
[10:08] <stdin> santibiotico: if you post a link again, you'll be banned
[10:08] <santibiotico> ok, sorry
[10:08] <Hamra> !ar
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <brave_heart> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[10:09] <brave_heart> stdin:chroot: throwing like this "cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory"
[10:09] <Hamra> is there any arabic channel for kubuntu?
[10:09] <marcreichelt> stdin: incomplete?
[10:09] <marcreichelt> you mean the release candidate?
[10:09] <stdin> !arabic
[10:09] <ubotu> For the Arabic language or Saudi Arabia you are invited to join للغة العربية رجاء انظم #ubuntu-sa
[10:10] <stdin> brave_heart: check the chroot
[10:10] <stdin> marcreichelt: it's not a compete ISO, still being made
[10:11] <marcreichelt> k
[10:11] <Hamra> thnks
[10:11] <marcreichelt> how long may it take for the final ISO to be created?
[10:12]  * WaltzingAlong realizes the image has not finished being built but thinks it would be interesting to have had all of us in release party and here running the torrent, waiting for seeds; could see the power of bittorent huh
[10:12] <brave_heart> stdin: thanks
[10:12] <santibiotico> stdin: didn't know that...someone told me it was just the final release, it was not my intention...sorry again
[10:12] <marcreichelt> WaltzingAlong: yeah, BitTorrent at full speed :)
[10:12] <stdin> santibiotico: when it's released we'll tell people. and I'll update the topic
[10:12] <santibiotico> stdin: ok :)
[10:13] <X-DeluXe> PARTYYYY
[10:14] <brave_heart> where can i get live come installable CD??????????
[10:14] <stdin> when it's out
[10:14] <Greenery> how do u upgrade from ISO? just insert the LiveCD and an upgrade option will be shown?
[10:14] <partymarc> hehe
[10:14] <partymarc> perhaps we should update the topic
[10:15] <partymarc> "Kubuntu 7.10 is NOT out yet - it's ready when it's ready!"
[10:15] <stdin> Greenery: no, you use adept
[10:15] <deadchip> hmm xephyr screwd my Xauthority file :|
[10:15] <fay_elf> How ppp+firewall? Nothing works with guarddog, protocols selected dhcp allow ppp0
[10:23] <X-DeluXe> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[10:23] <X-DeluXe> now it's up
[10:23] <stdin> no it's not
[10:23] <X-DeluXe> but no link from frontpage
[10:23] <stdin> do not post links
[10:23] <X-DeluXe> no more beta
[10:23] <stdin> it's not out
[10:23] <X-DeluXe> yaya
[10:23] <stdin> if you post links, you'll be removed
[10:24] <X-DeluXe> from a normal user? strange ^^
[10:24] <stdin> what's a "normal user" ?
[10:24] <WaltzingAlong> X-DeluXe: stdin is no normal user. see who set the channel topic?
[10:25] <X-DeluXe> okay sorry stdin
[10:25] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[10:25] <WaltzingAlong> X-DeluXe: it makes sense that users of gnu/linux would become ops when needed, not always through something like sudo :D
[10:25] <s0undt3ch> anyone with problems on gutsy when upgrading cupsys?
[10:27] <s0undt3ch> dpkg: error processing cupsys (--install):
[10:27] <s0undt3ch> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:27] <jimmyww> does anyone know if conky works on xubunut
[10:28] <stdin> post the output of "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to pastebin
[10:28] <pag> s0undt3ch, it's missing a directory - can't remember which one though
[10:29] <s0undt3ch> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/740858
[10:32] <s0undt3ch> stdin: any idea?
[10:32] <stdin> s0undt3ch: try "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu7_i386.deb" then "sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:33] <s0undt3ch> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/740864
[10:35] <stdin> s0undt3ch: ok, try "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu7_i386.deb" and "sudo dpkg -i cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu7_i386.deb"
[10:36] <s0undt3ch> stdin: same problem
[10:38] <bottiger> If I'm upgrading to the new KDE4 Beta 3 - shouldn't I then get the new fancy wallpaper? I think I upgraded but it look's *very much* like Beta 2
[10:38] <stdin> s0undt3ch: ok, time for something else. do "sudo nano /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postinst" and add "set -x" on a new line just after "#!/bin/sh", then press Ctrl-o then Ctrl-x    after try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" again and post the result to pastebin
[10:39] <s0undt3ch> stdin: leave the set -e which is already present?
[10:39] <pag> s0undt3ch, try: sudo mkdir /var/run/cups
[10:40] <stdin> s0undt3ch: yeah, just add it after
[10:40] <meuhlol> hi all
[10:40] <s0undt3ch> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/740870
[10:40] <meuhlol> where can i get Gutsy please?
[10:40] <meuhlol> no beta
[10:40] <stdin> see the topic
[10:41] <s0undt3ch> pag: that exists
[10:41] <s0undt3ch> pag: and also /var/run/cups/certs
[10:41] <pag> s0undt3ch, oh... dunno then (I just had similiar problem, and that was a solution for it) :)
[10:41] <meuhlol> stdin: yo dude
[10:42] <meuhlol> stdin: where can i get Gutsy Gibbon kubuntu plz?
[10:42] <stdin> s0undt3ch: can you make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[10:42] <stdin> meuhlol: it's not out yet, like it says in the topic
[10:43] <meuhlol> stdin: yesterday at kubuntu-fr.org it was sayd: "Days before Kubuntu 7.10: 1"
[10:43] <s0undt3ch> stdin: yes I do have kubuntu-desktop installed
[10:43] <stdin> meuhlol: it's out today, but not yet
[10:43] <osh_> Odd question. I can't watch a movie on my samsung-screen. It works great on the laptop but on the big screen it's just a black square. Anyone know how to fix this?
[10:43] <meuhlol> and not yet? :(
[10:43] <osh_> It's just movies in kaffeine or mplayer that does this. Youtube and others work great.
[10:44] <s0undt3ch> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/740874 <- normal dirlist?
[10:44] <meuhlol> stdin: how many times to wait you suppose?
[10:44] <stdin> s0undt3ch: can you do "apt-cache policy sysv-rc" and tell me what version you have
[10:44] <stdin> meuhlol: no one knows, it'll be out when it's ready
[10:44] <meuhlol> okey thank you
[10:44] <meuhlol> see ya
[10:44]  * meuhlol offers an beer to stdin
[10:45] <stdin> s0undt3ch: yeah, that's ok
[10:46] <s0undt3ch> stdin: 2.86.ds1-38
[10:47] <osh_> Hmm, different video-driver fixed it. Odd.
[10:47] <s0undt3ch> stdin: problematic line -> update-rc.d cupsys multiuser 19
[10:47] <stdin> s0undt3ch: that version is not an ubuntu package
[10:47] <s0undt3ch> stdin: it aint?
[10:47] <stdin> s0undt3ch: there's the problem (update-rc.d is in that package)
[10:48] <stdin> s0undt3ch: you should have 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu31
[10:48] <craig> how do I get to the ubuntu channel?
[10:48] <stdin> craig: /join #ubuntu
[10:48] <stdin> s0undt3ch: check your sources.list for any non-official repos
[10:48] <craig> cheers
[10:49] <stdin> s0undt3ch: you should also be able to do "sudo apt-get install cupsys=2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu31" to install the right version, but you'll need to disable the repo you got it from
[10:51] <nk1> where i can wound console commadns?
[10:51] <stdin> wound?
[10:51] <E_mE> are the problems with setting up multipul monitors with KDE?
[10:52] <s0undt3ch> stdin: E: Version '2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu31' for 'cupsys' was not found
[10:52] <nk1> found*
[10:52] <nk1> find*
[10:52] <stdin> !shell
[10:53] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:53] <stdin> s0undt3ch: post your sources.list please
[10:53] <s0undt3ch> stdin: <- http://pastebin.ca/740881 -> my sources.list
[10:53] <stdin> heh
[10:54] <Assid> heya
[10:55] <stdin> s0undt3ch: oh, wait, my mistake "sudo apt-get install sysv-rc=2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu31"  (not cupsys)
[10:56] <s0undt3ch> stdin: yeah, got it
[10:56] <s0undt3ch> stdin: all good now, Thank You!
[10:56] <peterbuldge> os tis where we can ask about the kde beta 3 on kubuntu?
[10:57] <stdin> s0undt3ch: no problem, took a while but we got there :)
[10:57] <peterbuldge> *is this
[10:57] <jussi01> someone remind me where screen brightness is kept?
[10:57] <stdin> peterbuldge: #kubuntu-devel is a better place
[10:57] <peterbuldge> thx
[10:58] <set_> Hello. I am using 7.10 beta and experiencing some problems with knetworkmanager. It seems that it is unable to do a simple site survey and let me select which wireless network to connect to. This has been working flawlessly earlier. IPW3945 drivers are loaded and I can do a site survay with wifi-radar
[11:00] <Assid> hrmm
[11:00] <Assid> does kubuntu torrents need to be seeded?
[11:03] <lup0> any estimates on how much needs to be downloaded between the latest kubuntu gutsy RC and the release itself?
[11:03] <stdin> not much
[11:03] <crazy_bus> I just upgraded to a new motherboard.  I think it might have the jmicron pata problems. When I try to load off my harddisk I've got both grub error 25 and 17.  Plus no livecds seem to load.  It just says please insert proper boot medium and restart
[11:04] <Ash-Fox> Won't all the packages be renamed and have to downloaded again?
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> Ash-Fox:
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> no
[11:11] <set_> Hello. I am using 7.10 beta and experiencing some problems with knetworkmanager. It seems that it is unable to do a simple site survey and let me select which wireless network to connect to. This has been working flawlessly earlier. IPW3945 drivers are loaded and I can do a site survay with wifi-radar
[11:18] <Tesla|Work> set_: use 7.10 release
[11:19] <Tesla|Work> ;-)
[11:19] <stdin> it's not out yet
[11:19] <Tesla|Work> uh... Kubuntu. sorry
[11:19] <stdin> if someone gives you a link, or if you find out, it's not the final one
[11:19] <stdin> it's an incomplete ISO, do not use it
[11:20] <Tesla|Work> true
[11:24] <nk1> how i install printer in kubuntu?
[11:24] <Ash-Fox> I feel like a robot in #ubuntu, continiously saying 7.10 isn't released yet.
[11:25] <xevious> me three
[11:25] <stdin> Ash-Fox: I know the feeling, and #u-r-p is insane
[11:26] <stdin> nk1: System Settings > Printers, Add > Add Printer/Class
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> stdin, maybe we should have a holiday on about to be released days :P
[11:26] <nk1> there is no lpc or somthing like that local printer
[11:26] <nk1> lpc cabel
[11:26] <nk1> i think
[11:26] <nk1> or near it
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> Just have a bot there repeating every minute it isn't out yet.
[11:28] <E_mE> when i disable kdm in the sysvconfig... it doesn't go to console properly... just have a blinking cursor on the top left of the screen ?
[11:28] <E_mE> when im booting that is
[11:29] <xevious> isn't gutsy due today?
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> E_mE: you may want to start into mode 3 or such
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> !init
[11:29] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[11:29] <xevious> or has it been delayed?
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: release date remains as the 18th of october
[11:29] <xevious> sweeeeet
[11:30] <stdin> it'll be out when it's ready, it's not out yet. ubuntu.com will say when it is, and the topic will be updated
[11:30] <Tesla|Work> wait a minute... there is a kubuntu 7.10 on ubuntu tracker. isnt it release?
[11:30] <stdin> it's not the final one, do not download it
[11:30] <Tesla|Work> alroght. thanks
[11:30] <stdin> it's NOT incomplete
[11:30] <stdin> warn everyone :)
[11:30] <Tesla|Work> yeah... :-)
[11:30] <Cenarius> hmm
[11:31] <Tesla|Work> it has missleading filename :-/
[11:31] <Tesla|Work> looks like release
[11:31] <stdin> yes, it will be the release, but it's not
[11:31] <Cenarius> :P
[11:31] <stdin> it's still being updated
[11:31] <Cenarius> hmm
[11:31] <Cenarius> ubuntu rocks anyway
[11:31] <Cenarius> ^
[11:31] <Cenarius> desktop edition rule :D
[11:32] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille:
[11:32] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: you there?
[11:33] <MoNsTeR> anybody here?
[11:33] <MoNsTeR> i wanna update
[11:33] <MoNsTeR> to gutsy gibbon
[11:33] <Ash-Fox> MoNsTeR, it's not out yet.
[11:34] <MoNsTeR> Ash-Fox: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[11:34] <Ash-Fox> MoNsTeR, it should be out today, but it isn't out yet.
[11:34] <Cenarius> atp-get gusty-gibbon :P but itś not ready :D
[11:34] <MoNsTeR> Cenarius: its on the download page
[11:34] <stdin> no it's not
[11:34] <_4strO> yop yop all
[11:34] <Ash-Fox> MoNsTeR, yes it's still pending uploads etc. and no it isn't
[11:34] <stdin> MoNsTeR: see ubuntu.com
[11:34] <stdin> An initial disk image was sent out to mirrors yesterday, so that the most bandwidth-instensive part is already finished, having been able to run overnight and such
[11:34] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: whatever get mad
[11:34] <stdin> However, since rsync can do incremental changes, it is used to make minor changes to those images even after they have been pushed out
[11:35] <stdin> This means that while you may see ISOs on mirrors already, they are not guaranteed to be the final product yet until the release team tells us they're done pushing those incremental updates
[11:35] <xipietotec> is there a list of the kubuntu.org bleeding edge packages for gutsy?
[11:35] <stdin> To avoid people getting non-final stuff, please avoid downloading or posting links to mirrors until we get the word.  Thanks!
[11:35] <Jucato> stdin: better have that aliased :)
[11:36] <osh_> stdin: the torrent will be on the same page?
[11:36]  * Ash-Fox aliases "While you may see ISOs on mirrors already, they are not guaranteed to be the final product yet until the release team determines they're done pushing those incremental updates. To avoid people getting non-final stuff, please avoid downloading or posting links to mirrors until we get the word."
[11:37] <peterbuldge> would anybody know why I would be getting the "can't configure simple C programs" error when I try to compile something?  It's been happening since I reinstalled feisty a few weeks ago
[11:37] <peterbuldge> I have all the gcc cpp and libstdc packages installed
[11:38] <peterbuldge> I can't figure out what I'm missing
[11:38] <Ash-Fox> peterbuldge, one moment.
[11:38] <stdin> peterbuldge: install "build-essential"
[11:38] <peterbuldge> I have it
[11:38] <xevious> peterbuldge: apt-get install build-essential
[11:38] <Ash-Fox> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:38] <peterbuldge> should I reinstall it?
[11:39] <peterbuldge> I also installed the kernel source cause I read on a forum that not having that can cause the problem but it didnt help
[11:39] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: im mature i was just tired but seriously i wasnt mean to you i didnt come off mean to you at all
[11:39]  * xevious is sitting on kubuntu.com clicking reload periodically
[11:39] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: all i did was say support was bad for kubuntu
[11:40] <peterbuldge> so should I remove and then reinstall build-essential?
[11:40] <ardchoille> !ot | MoNsTeR
[11:40] <ubotu> MoNsTeR: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:40] <xevious> peterbuldge: what are you trying to build?
[11:40] <stdin> peterbuldge: it's just a meta package, so that won't make a difference, what are you compiling
[11:41] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix
[11:41] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[11:41] <peterbuldge> well basically everything I've tried to build has had that error... amarok-svn, the latest mplayer, some stuff from kde-apps.org
[11:41] <peterbuldge> etc
[11:42] <RytmenPinnen> 7.10 release today? :o
[11:42] <Ash-Fox> RytmenPinnen, yes.
[11:42] <xevious> oh man. this is gonna get annoying, huh?
[11:42] <RytmenPinnen> nice, will I be able to upgrade over the net?
[11:43] <peterbuldge> I'm wondering is it bad to have more than one version of the gcc and cpp packages installed?  Could that be causing the error?
[11:43] <peterbuldge> should I just use the latest?
[11:43] <stdin> RytmenPinnen: you will, when it's out
[11:43] <RytmenPinnen> good, cause I dont have any cd's
[11:43] <stdin> peterbuldge: no, I have 3 versions installed
[11:43] <xevious> peterbuldge: i have 3.4 and 4.1 installed
[11:43] <peterbuldge> yeah I multiples before too
[11:44] <xevious> peterbuldge: have you tried compiling a simple hello world?
[11:44] <peterbuldge> this is really bugging me
[11:44] <peterbuldge> no
[11:44] <peterbuldge> I haven't
[11:44] <xevious> peterbuldge: you know c?
[11:44] <peterbuldge> no
[11:44] <peterbuldge> I'm just now learning python
[11:45] <osh_> peterbuldge: what's the error and when do you get it. also, what are you trying to accomplish?
[11:46] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: sorry for being mean
[11:46] <E_mE> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[11:46] <ivan_> hi all
[11:46] <ivan_> i'm using kubuntu on my laptop. on ubuntu, when i unplug the network cable, it automatically connects me to my works wireless network.. but when i'm running kde, its network manager tool doesn't do that for me... any luck on setting kubuntu up?
[11:46] <E_mE>  is there a appliation i can install that will boot my Windows XP partition inside linux?
[11:46] <osh_> E_mE: VMware
[11:47] <E_mE> osh_: is it free?
[11:47] <osh_> E_mE: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main
[11:47] <osh_> E_mE: Free as in gratis, yes.
[11:47] <Ash-Fox> Assuming your distribution is feisty.
[11:47] <xevious> peterbuldge: did you receive my private message?
[11:48] <peterbuldge> yes
[11:48] <xevious> are you registered so that you can respond?
[11:48] <osh_> E_mE: vmware-server I think it's called.
[11:48] <peterbuldge> no I'm doing it right now
[11:48] <ivan_> any luck?
[11:48] <osh_> E_mE: I'm using it and it works great. Let's me keep both my beloved KDE and use company resources such as fscking-exchange and AD-crap.
[11:49] <peterbuldge> I got the xevious
[11:49] <peterbuldge> *the file
[11:49] <Leopard> is Gutsy out yet
[11:49] <stdin> no
[11:49] <stdin> see the topic
[11:49] <Leopard> i need Gutsy gimme gimme :)
[11:49] <xevious> Leopard: ssssh you'll make people angry
[11:49] <Tesla|Work> Leopard: get MaxOS Leopard ;-)
[11:49] <xevious> peterbuldge: how'd that work out for you?
[11:49] <Cenarius> whereś Gusty!
[11:49] <Cenarius> ?
[11:49] <Cenarius> :((
[11:50] <Cenarius> O:-)
[11:50] <peterbuldge> hang on
[11:50] <Leopard> Cenarius : angel :)
[11:50] <E_mE> osh_: nice :D
[11:50] <stdin> join ubuntu-release-party if you want to ask "when is it out?"
[11:50] <Leopard> aso Gutsy penguin :) :)
[11:50] <osh_> E_mE: You got it?
[11:50] <stdin> stay on topic
[11:50] <Cenarius> gusty rocks O:-)
[11:50] <Leopard> let me ask my robot ubotu
[11:50] <Cenarius> i quess so
[11:50] <Cenarius> :D
[11:50] <xevious> ooh is there gonna be a countdown?
[11:50] <Leopard> !gutsy
[11:50] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due some time October 18th, 2007) | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[11:50] <crazy_bus> can anyone tell me how to make livecds work. Because when I insert them it says: Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key
[11:50] <Cenarius> !release
[11:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:50] <Cenarius> :P
[11:51] <Cenarius> !release | Leopard
[11:51] <ubotu> Leopard: please see above
[11:51] <Leopard> 18th ocotober thats today weeeee
[11:51] <Tesla|Work> !release now :-P
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about release now :-p - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <Leopard> :)
[11:51] <Cenarius> :P
[11:51] <peterbuldge> xevious that worked fine
[11:51] <stdin> ok, this is a warning: Today we have a 0 tolerance in here, so behave
[11:51] <Leopard> ubotu is always right
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is always right - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <Cenarius> !gusty | Leopard
[11:51] <ubotu> Leopard: It is spelt !guTSy :)
[11:51] <xevious> peterbuldge: your c compiler's working :D
[11:51] <peterbuldge> then I wonder where the hang up is?
[11:52] <Cenarius> how i can modify my sound ?
[11:52] <Cenarius> i wanna hear in all me speakers
[11:52] <Cenarius> and i listen only on 2
[11:52] <Cenarius> x(
[11:53] <stdin> !sound
[11:53] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:53] <Leopard> can some have uboto pm me please
[11:53] <Leopard> 1*
[11:53] <Cenarius> !players
[11:53] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[11:53] <Leopard> !players | Leopard
[11:53] <xevious> !botsnack > Cenarius
[11:53] <Cenarius> well nothing itś at system settings
[11:53] <Cenarius> itś only wine sistem configuration
[11:53] <Cenarius> :P
[11:54] <Cenarius> !botsnack
[11:54] <ubotu> Yum!  I don't know since gutsy isn't out yet. ;-)
[11:55] <Cenarius> i am
[11:55] <Cenarius> just joke
[11:55] <apparle> ardchoille: Thanks for all the help yesterday. I solved a lot of problems
[11:55] <Cenarius> :D
[11:55]  * stdin get's his kick stick ready
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> running gutsy here too
[11:55] <ardchoille> apparle: you're welcome
[11:55]  * Cenarius fights for his life
[11:55] <xevious> peterbuldge: attempt to compile something and paste the complete output to a pastebin
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> E_mE: i have it as         deb     http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner main
[11:56] <apparle> ardchoille: When's gtsy coming
[11:56] <peterbuldge> ook gimmie a few
[11:56] <stdin> apparle: when it's ready
[11:56] <osh_> apparle: Just go to the download page and reload it like the rest of us. ;-)
[11:56] <E_mE> WaltzingAlong: vmware is not appearing
[11:57] <Cenarius> osh_: thatś a good ideea ..
[11:57] <ardchoille> apparle: See the topic
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> E_mE: with gutsy i installed vmware 1.0.4 from vmware's tar.gz
[11:57] <apparle> ardchoille: i pre-ordered the CDs and my request has been shipped (funny)
[11:57] <Cenarius> this ubuntu enviorement remindes me of Windows Vista
[11:57] <Cenarius> oh god
[11:57] <Cenarius> D:
[11:58] <MinorNerd> Cenarius: ?_?
[11:58] <Leopard> ubotu and me talked in IM: http://i24.tinypic.com/2hpul48.png
[11:58] <WaltzingAlong> this desktop computing environment reminds me of a desktop computing environment
[11:58] <E_mE> WaltzingAlong: did you install it from apt-get??
[11:58] <WaltzingAlong> E_mE: no
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> E_mE: maybe that will change with gutsy's official release
[11:59] <osh_> E_mE: That line I sent you with gutsy instead of feisty, it doesn't work?
[11:59] <E_mE> WaltzingAlong: thanx.. downloading now
[11:59] <Leopard> stdin where can i download kubuntu 3. ?
[11:59] <Leopard> 3.x
[11:59] <stdin> there is no kubuntu 3
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> Leopard: what is kubuntu 3.x?
[11:59] <Leopard> i want to see old versions
[11:59] <E_mE> osh_: im downloading it now :)
[11:59] <osh_> E_mE: From the repos?
[11:59] <Leopard> whats the oldest version
[11:59] <Leopard> i can get
[12:00] <stdin> !download > Leopard
[12:00] <apparle> WaltzingAlong: When is gutsy releasing???????
[12:00] <WaltzingAlong> apparle: when it is ready
[12:00] <osh_> apparle: today
[12:01] <Leopard> !download | Leopard
[12:01] <MoNsTeR> ardchoille: im sorry for last night
[12:01] <DexterF> hi
[12:01] <DexterF> someone happen to use a realtek 8187 wifi stick with wpa on gutsy?
[12:01] <xevious> #u-r-p is flying
[12:01] <DexterF> does it work with knetworkmanager?
[12:01] <xevious> what a rager
[12:02] <aguitel__> DexterF: i have Realtek 8180
[12:02] <DexterF> aguitel__: and? how's it coming?
[12:02] <Leopard> stdin is dapper the oldest one i can get?
[12:03] <aguitel> DexterF: it freeze the system in gutsy
[12:03] <Leopard> 6.06
[12:03] <stdin> yes
[12:03] <Leopard> i want the old one
[12:03] <DexterF> aguitel: :(
[12:03] <stdin> then get it
[12:03] <Leopard> any suggestion where i can get an older one?
[12:03] <aguitel> DexterF: in feisty is in blacklist but it is working
[12:03] <stdin> Leopard: see the download link, it has the link
[12:03] <DexterF> aguitel: well, I got it working with the aircrack-drivers, but no wpa
[12:04] <apparle> osh_ : I requested CDs last weeks and status is " 2 CDs requested on 2007-10-10. 2 CDs were approved and sent to the shipping company on 2007-10-15."
[12:04] <tresko22> is this the final? http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/release/dvd/
[12:05] <akrill> sure, why not.
[12:05] <Leopard> yaya
[12:05] <Ash-Fox> While you may see ISOs on mirrors already, they are not guaranteed to be the final product yet until the release team determines they're done pushing incremental updates. To avoid people getting non-final stuff, please avoid downloading or posting links to mirrors until we get the word.
[12:05] <stdin> An initial disk image was sent out to mirrors yesterday, so that the most bandwidth-instensive part is already finished,
[12:05] <stdin> having been able to run overnight and such.
[12:05] <stdin> However, since rsync can do incremental changes, it is used to make minor changes to those images even after they have been
[12:05] <stdin> pushed out
[12:05] <stdin> This means that while you may see ISOs on mirrors already, they are not guaranteed to be the final product yet until the
[12:05] <stdin> release team tells us they're done pushing those incremental updates
[12:05] <stdin> To avoid people getting non-final stuff, please avoid downloading or posting links to mirrors until we get the word.  Thanks
[12:05] <Leopard> thank you
[12:06] <aguitel> DexterF: is not official drivers
[12:06] <Leopard> what are the new features of Gutsy?
[12:06] <DexterF> aguitel: I know but at least 8187 should be backported from 2.6.23 in gutsy's kernel
[12:06] <chx> hi. i have a very non-standard keyboard (laptop imported from japan) and i have ncely set up its extra keys to home, prev, next etc as needed with xmodmap. but the keyboard language chooser app, much to my chagrin , uses setxkbmap. How could I modify one of those layouts?
[12:06] <chx> Leopard: topic
[12:07] <Leopard> !topic | Leopard
[12:07] <apparle> Is there any improvement in Gutsy about sound??????
[12:07] <sivakumer> hello
[12:07] <NickPresta> !upgrade
[12:07] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:08] <aguitel> DexterF: if my card is in the try ,the system is crashing
[12:08] <sivakumer> have somebody the time to help me, i have some questions for an externharddisk?
[12:08] <NickPresta> !gutsy
[12:08] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due some time October 18th, 2007) | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[12:08] <DexterF> aguitel: pci? usb?
[12:08] <sivakumer> usb
[12:08] <Leopard> . "/topic" isnt working it says:   Not enough parameters: TOPIC
[12:08] <sivakumer> aus, sorry.@dex
[12:08] <Leopard> how do i see the topic when the text scrolls so fast
[12:08] <Leopard> ??
[12:09] <aguitel> DexterF: pci
[12:09] <NickPresta> What is the preferred method of upgrading? Open up adept and do it that way or `update-manager -d`?
[12:09] <Leopard> i cant scroll all the way up again
[12:09] <stdin> NickPresta: no https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3692aaaed415e3427f54ec62dd8659474516b525
[12:09] <WaltzingAlong> NickPresta: there are instructions on kubuntu.org for jumping from feisty to gutsy the kubuntu way
[12:09] <peterbuldge> k xevious
[12:10] <NickPresta> stdin, WaltzingAlong thanks. I was looking for that link :)
[12:10] <xevious> !paste
[12:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:10] <peterbuldge> I tried to compile the newest mplayer
[12:10] <Leopard> topic isnt working :(
[12:10] <peterbuldge> this time I didnt get the c error but it failed during make
[12:10] <Leopard> for me
[12:10] <MoNsTeR> so is the new gutsy out yet for me to install?
[12:10] <Leopard> . /topic fail
[12:10] <peterbuldge> how do I paste the output?
[12:10] <stdin> MoNsTeR: see the topic
[12:10] <peterbuldge> or whatever
[12:11] <xevious> !paste > peterbuldge
[12:11] <Leopard> how do i see the topic /topic isnt working
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> MoNsTeR: do you have feisty? you could install now; want the cd/dvd image? wait until they are released officially.
[12:11] <Leopard> it says:  Not enough parameters: TOPIC
[12:11] <NickPresta> stdin, do you suggest I disable all third-party repos?
[12:11] <xevious> Leopard: /topic #kubuntu
[12:11] <utnubuk> so, if i upgrade 7.04 to 7.10, do I have to reinstall kde?
[12:11] <MoNsTeR> WaltzingAlong: whats the best way to install i dont wanna lose anything :[
[12:12] <stdin> NickPresta: I normally do, adept should do that for you but I always do it manually anyway (just in case)
[12:12] <utnubuk> ah nm
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> utnubuk: no
[12:12] <E_mE> vmware needs inetd ... should i install this or could it cause a problem?
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> MoNsTeR: your settings and files are stored in /home/username
[12:12] <Leopard> xevious its not working for me
[12:13] <MoNsTeR> WaltzingAlong: ok
[12:13] <xevious> Leopard: which client?
[12:13] <Leopard>  . /topic #kubuntu nothing happens
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> /topic
[12:13] <MoNsTeR> Leopard: its /join
[12:13] <Leopard> Miranda
[12:13] <stdin> the topic is: Official Kubuntu support channel | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Large pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic please | KDE 4.0 beta 3: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php | Gutsy is NOT out yet! | Gutsy party and "when is it out?" questions in #ubuntu-release-party
[12:13] <Leopard> ty
[12:13] <MoNsTeR> Leopard: nvm
[12:13] <peterbuldge> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41048/
[12:14] <peterbuldge> its strange before it was filing during the configure on everything I tried to compile now it fails on make all the sudden
[12:16] <MoNsTeR> Leopard: nvm
[12:16] <MoNsTeR> oops
[12:16] <xevious> peterbuldge: it's a conflict in threading libraries somehow
[12:16] <peterbuldge> is there anything i can do other than reinstall?
[12:16] <peterbuldge> this is so annoying
[12:17] <apparle> any improvements about detecting sounf cards in Gutsy
[12:17] <peterbuldge> my system is pretty much hobbled
[12:17] <Cenarius> how i can update to 7.10 ?
[12:17] <stdin> apparle: detecting hardware is done by the kernel, and gutsy has a much newwer kernel
[12:17] <kaminix> peterbuldge: Wait an hour or so and you can get the new Kubuntu for reinstalling. :)
[12:17] <Cenarius> i must reinstall ubuntu ?
[12:17] <X-DeluXe> peterbuldge: lol o'course that's linux, you dont have to reinstakk your hole system
[12:17] <sivakumer> have somebody the time to help me, i have some questions for an externharddisk? linux doesnt recognize it, and im a beginner. in the info center its listed.. but i do know .
[12:17] <X-DeluXe> *reinstall
[12:18] <stdin> upgrade instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3692aaaed415e3427f54ec62dd8659474516b525 (but it's not officially out yet)
[12:18] <cyber> cyber
[12:18] <gandalf> hi everybody
[12:18] <gandalf> i have a question related to kpdf and compiz
[12:18] <gandalf> maybe someone can help me?
[12:18] <linkin-> dunno if here it's the right place to ask, but im trying to install gnuworld and im getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41050/ when typing ./configure :o
[12:18] <apparle> stdin : Feisty gave and is giving  a lot of problems with sound card. Hope so gutsy is better
[12:18] <linkin-> any idea what that could be?
[12:19] <gandalf> so the problem is if you have compiz enabled (using gutsy rc) and go to the presentation mode in kpdf, it won't go fullscreen, but just give you a small window not appropriate for presentations
[12:19] <WaltzingAlong> !ask | gandalf
[12:19] <ubotu> gandalf: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:20] <gandalf> how can i change that
[12:20] <gandalf> or is it a bug in compiz
[12:20] <ibensw> just installed gutsy, but kopete crashes, anyone hacing the same problem?
[12:20] <WaltzingAlong> gandalf: good question. with effects enabled here i can see most of the windows' contents until i maximize them, then the contents are shown as all black
[12:20] <XenThraL> ibensw: yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500
[12:20] <WaltzingAlong> ibensw: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:20] <ibensw> thanks
[12:20] <stdin> gandalf: sounds like a bug in compiz
[12:21] <gandalf> hm too bad
[12:21] <X-DeluXe> tnh
[12:21] <gandalf> i also have some problems with the digikam fullscreen slide show when compiz is enabled
[12:21] <X-DeluXe> thnx
[12:21] <LiL-JoN> ibensw: somebody earlier had that same problem
[12:21] <apparle> Is there a list of changes in Gutsy availabe anywhere
[12:21] <gandalf> seems like compiz is not 100% polished yet
[12:21] <NickPresta> stdin, I'm made it to the step where I'm able to do a "complete" upgrade, but I don't have the option for a "version upgrade". Any ideas?
[12:21] <XenThraL> apparle: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour
[12:22] <linkin-> dunno if here it's the right place to ask, but im trying to install gnuworld and im getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41050/ when typing ./configure :o <-- any ideas ?
[12:22] <LiL-JoN> ibensw: i suggest you use pidgen
[12:22] <stdin> apparle: see http://www.ubuntu.com/
[12:22] <stdin> apparle: or https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[12:22] <stdin> NickPresta: try relaunching it maybe
[12:23] <sivakumer> has somebody a usb harddisk here?
[12:23] <ibensw> it works, thanks to all
[12:24] <LiL-JoN> sivakumer: i do
[12:24] <sivakumer> look at your query
[12:24] <NickPresta> stdin, nope, no dice. Oh well. I suppose I can leave it until later today...
[12:24] <apparle> Is ubuntu better or KDE (stability)
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> apparle: than?
[12:25] <stdin> NickPresta: try running:    kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[12:25] <stdin> NickPresta: (the quotes are important)
[12:26] <NickPresta> stdin, that made the option available, yep. Thanks
[12:26]  * NickPresta starts the upgrade!
[12:26] <osh_> E_mE: Yeah. Get that from vmware.com, it's free and you don't even have to give a valid email if you don't want to.
[12:27] <osh_> E_mE: I'm not registered to send PM's.
[12:27] <LiL-JoN> is adrchoille here?
[12:29] <osh_> It would be fun to see the stats from kubuntu.org and ubuntu.com today compared to other days... ;-)
[12:29] <apparle> My friend has a p4 2.4GHz . When i start 64bit a msg comes "CPU doesnot support long ids. Use 32bit version"
[12:30] <lup0> so ubuntu gutsy is out, but not kubuntu
[12:30] <E_mE> osh_: how do i link to my existing NTFS partition with vmware?
[12:30] <xevious> shucks
[12:30] <dedi> cant install kubuntu alternate :( failing installing initramfs over and over
[12:30] <xevious> apparle: p4 != 64bit
[12:30] <ole> where is the new Kubuntu?
[12:31] <xevious> KDE users sleep more than Gnome users
[12:31] <stdin> Gutsy has not been released yet, it's starting to be tho
[12:31] <atlfalcons866> could i upgrade to kbuntu 7.10 from ubuntu 7.04
[12:31] <xevious> stdin: ubuntu is. at least according to the ubuntu.com frontpage
[12:32] <apparle> xevious: I cannot run amd64 version on pentium4!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:32] <stdin> xevious: the pages are being updated because the release is close
[12:32] <stdin> apparle: probably because a P4 isn't 64bit
[12:32] <atlfalcons866> apparle: there are some pentium 4s that are 64bit
[12:33] <atlfalcons866> it depends what core you have
[12:34] <stdin> Gutsy Officially released, most mirrors are still updating but it's out NOW https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-October/000105.html
[12:34] <atlfalcons866> prescott and cedarmill are 64 bit
[12:34] <Ash-Fox> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[12:35] <ardchoille> The Gutsy desktop iso still has a date of 16 Oct. Isn't that the rc1?
[12:36] <tommoyer> this may be just me, but I noticed as of the last update of kdelibs, when I click a link in a window (tried amarok, kmail, and akregator) that kfmclient spawns a huge number of times, and konqueror doesn't open. If i do a killall kfmclient, nothing happens, but if I let it continue it chews up CPU time like crazy.  Does anyone else notice this, or am i just crazy?
[12:36] <LiL-JoN> ardchoille: you need to really chill out man i said sorry
[12:36] <stdin> ardchoille: the date is the creation date, not modified date
[12:37] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, thanks
[12:37] <apparle> if i upgrade using the CD , will the softwares like k3b, adept etc get upgraded???
[12:39] <rewolf> um... ever since i once tried installing netbeans through adept_manager (which crashed in the middle), it always has a problem downloading anything. And if i do it through apt-get, it also always tells me about netbeans not being downloaded. tho that was ages ago.
[12:39] <apparle> Also will the new packages like restricted-manager-kde get installed
[12:39] <stdin> apparle: the cd will install some packages, the rest will be downloaded
[12:39] <rewolf> any ideas how to clear its thorts?
[12:39] <xevious> we're official on www.kubuntu.com
[12:39] <peterbuldge> what are some other desktop search apps besides strigi?
[12:40] <peterbuldge> I do not like the whole indexing and taking up space thing
[12:41] <mschiff> What do I have to do to be able to manage package sources like this in feisty? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot2.png
[12:41] <WaltzingAlong> !desktop search
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktop search - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:41]  * xevious upgrades!
[12:41] <rewolf> xevious wats it like?
[12:41] <xevious> rewolf: the upgrade process?
[12:41] <apparle> stdin: i am asking if all the packagesin live CD will be upgraded or i will need to do fresh install
[12:42] <xevious> rewolf: i just started :D
[12:42] <rewolf> xevious. oh i thort u'd just booted into it
[12:42] <rewolf> lol
[12:42] <rewolf> im trying myself
[12:42] <rewolf> but, i first gotta finish feisty packages
[12:42] <Riddell> mschiff: install software-properties-kde
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> mschiff: what do you mean? adept_manager then adept/manage repositories
[12:43] <rewolf> and my dumb adept_manager keeps crashing
[12:43] <stdin> apparle: just update from the instructions http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[12:43] <rewolf> "The commit could break"
[12:44] <rewolf> ARGH everytime i click Manage Repositories, it just downloads the latest versions or something. why doesn't it open the dialog?
[12:44] <mschiff> Riddell: thx!
[12:45] <mschiff> WaltzingAlong: I only saw a dump of my sources.list...
[12:45] <georg_> hi does anybody know how to use the kdmtheme manager with kubuntu? I can't install new themes
[12:45] <osh_> E_mE: Not sure. Perhaps you can add it as a disk under vmware. Never tried that though.
[12:45] <stdin> !changethemes
[12:45] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[12:45] <rewolf> Al : u not the uct Al by anychance?
[12:46] <Al> Not as far as I know
[12:46] <rewolf> lol
[12:46] <osh_> E_mE: but a vmware-box is like an separate computer, isolated from everything else. that's both a strength and a wekness.
[12:46] <WaltzingAlong> mschiff: you need software-properties-kde installed too
[12:46] <osh_> s/wekness/weakness/
[12:46] <xevious> well. the upgrade directions on kubuntu.com don't work
[12:46] <pippopippo_> hello everybody
[12:46] <georg_> thanks ubotu
[12:46] <rewolf> crap
[12:46] <mschiff> WaltzingAlong: yeah thanks.. like Ridell already told me ;)
[12:46] <xevious> my system's up to date and i'm not getting the version upgrade button it speaks of
[12:46] <osh_> Hmm, it asks you to use bittorrent, but no torrent-file is availible...
[12:47] <Al> So um my system's running with the occasional pause... It's mainly noticeable typing here, it pauses every second or so. Could it have anything to do with nvidia? I'm running compiz but I've turned it off.
[12:48] <Al> running top and nothing looks untoward
[12:49] <sredna> hi
[12:50] <sredna> after eventually convincing kubuntu to upgrade, it removed several packages that i installed, such as danish locale for firefox and several development packages
[12:50] <sredna> why does it do that?
[12:50] <apparle> Is 3d desktop available on kubuntu gutsy
[12:51] <WaltzingAlong> sure
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> sredna: probably conficting packages.
[12:51] <akrill> night all
[12:51] <rewolf> lol nite
[12:51] <apparle> is ubuntu better or kubuntu
[12:52] <apparle> i mean good softwares with minimal download
[12:52] <peterbuldge> How do I upgrade from the RC
[12:52] <peterbuldge> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt do anything
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> apparle: yup
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> peterbuldge: nor should it. you have the latest dist already
[12:53] <peterbuldge> so if I installed the RC I'm set already
[12:53] <peterbuldge> I'll just get regular updates?
[12:53] <mschiff> Riddell: is it save to upgrade using aptitude or does adept so special upgrade procedurees in some way?
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> peterbuldge: cat /etc/lsb-release             reports what? gutsy? you have it already
[12:54] <sredna> nosrednaekim: shouldn't it ask for help to solve the conflicts then?
[12:54] <sredna> or warn me, or something
[12:54] <peterbuldge> hmmm
[12:54] <xevious> anyone doing a feisty -> gutsy upgrade via adept?
[12:54] <peterbuldge> yeah gutsy
[12:54] <Riddell> mschiff: use the instructions in the announcement
[12:54] <xevious> because... it's not working
[12:54] <xevious> i am not getting a version upgrade button like the web site says i should
[12:54] <peterbuldge> so I do not have the anymore?
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: follow the instructions at kubuntu.org
[12:54] <peterbuldge> when did it update
[12:54] <peterbuldge> I do not get it
[12:54] <bottiger> when I go to: "Adept -> Manage Repositories" i just get my sources.list . Why don't I get a GUI-box like in all the upgrade-tutorials
[12:54] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: i have about 17 times
[12:55] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: install software-properties-kde
[12:55] <rewolf> ME TOO
[12:55] <rewolf> bottiger. its so irritating
[12:55] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: what? why?
[12:55] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Which one to use kubuntu or ubuntu (with only the softwares on CD and no extra downloads)
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger:  so that you get the gui-box like in all the upgrade tutorial
[12:56] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: yes, but how does it come that I don't have that as default?
[12:56] <rewolf> lol.  I click Version Upgrade. it tells me there's a new distro version, i click next. it says "Could not verify the integrity of the upgrade application. This Program will now exit"
[12:56] <ardchoille> Am I missing something? Where are the download links? http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php just says "Nearly there"
[12:56] <sqint> What could be causing the version upgrade button not to appear in my Adept Manager?
[12:57] <stdin> rewolf: page is probably being updated
[12:57] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: I mean, how does it make sense to make an upgrading-tutorial where you assume the user has install another program
[12:57] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: kubuntu.org  or ubuntu.com or releases.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <sqint> I have all updates for feisty installed, yet no version upgrade button appears
[12:57] <xevious> sqint: same here
[12:57] <rewolf> sqint : did u run 'kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"' ?
[12:57] <WaltzingAlong> (quotes needed)
[12:57] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: then the guide should mention that
[12:58] <sqint> rewolf: No... the kubuntu upgrade guide says that adept manager should offer a version upgrade button
[12:58] <xevious> rewolf: it's supposed to automagically offer the upgrade
[12:58] <rewolf> the one i read didnt
[12:58] <rewolf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[12:58] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: I'm just looking at the short official 4-step guide: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[12:58] <Chani> hey, does anyone know anything about l2tp? I don't know where to start. the docs I see are talking about pre-shared keys and certificates n'stuff, and all I have is a username and password.
[12:58] <stdin> it may take a while for adept to realise there is an update, the --version-upgrade option forces it
[12:58] <rewolf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-03dfe71741407e245a9fcd75bded428572061f53
[12:58] <rewolf> thats kubuntu
[12:58] <apparle> What should i do upgrade from CD or fresh install (no net at home)
[12:59] <Flegma> my adept says that new version is available, but when i click on it, it tells me i dont need any updates...im up to date....
[12:59] <sqint> rewolf: That's for the RC
[12:59] <xevious> sqint: that'll work
[12:59] <stdin> sqint: it may take a while for adept to realise there is an update, the --version-upgrade option forces it
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: who runs the website? could we get that added (that software-properties-kde needs to be installed to see the screen described in the update instructions)
[12:59] <sqint> stdin: OK
[13:00] <xevious> i just wanted to point it out that it's not realizing it. and i didn't realize that adept could take a while to realize it. do you realize?
[13:00] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: umm, ask Riddell
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> WaltzingAlong: #kubuntu-devel
[13:00] <rewolf> xevious lol
[13:00] <apparle> hey what is better upgrade from Cd or fresh install as i don't have net
[13:00] <xevious> wish me luck
[13:00] <stdin> xevious: it relies on finding a file in the archive, some may not have it yet
[13:00] <noam_> i have a small question. i have the binary ati driver installed. what will the update to gutsy do with it?
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> apparle: fresh install
[13:00] <shaka> Hello there
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> noam_: did you install it from the repositories?
[13:01] <shaka> Anyone with a torrent link to kubuntu 7.10?
[13:01] <stdin> noam_: how did you install the driver?
[13:01] <noam_> nope
[13:01] <rewolf> mine has been downloading and verifying the upgrade tool for like 5 minutes
[13:01] <noam_> that's why i'm asking
[13:01] <stdin> !torrent
[13:01] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[13:01] <stdin> !torrents
[13:01] <ubotu> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Gutsy: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/release/ (DVDs)
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> noam_: where did you install it from?
[13:01] <xevious> does medibuntu already have a gutsy repo?
[13:01] <xevious> and canonical?
[13:02] <mschiff> Why does adept not honor held packages?
[13:02] <asimon> xevious: Yes, both.
[13:02] <noam_> i followed an official looking guide in the web which went through downloading a file from ati.amd.com, making deb packages out of it, installing them, and module-assistant things. i'll find a link
[13:02] <stdin> mschiff: because adept can't
[13:02] <xevious> asimon: thanks
[13:02] <xevious> modifying the software channels
[13:02] <mschiff> stdin: you know why?
[13:02] <noam_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> noam_: ah ok,i'm familiar with that. uninstall the packages and you should be good.
[13:02] <stdin> noam_: the update should overwrite it with the new version I guess
[13:03] <stdin> mschiff: because it doesn't have that ability
[13:03] <nosrednaekim> stdin: will it? some of the package names are different
[13:03] <xevious> is there a utility to determine the fastest mirror automatically?
[13:03] <mschiff> stdin: I dont want it to upgrade my hbci enabled gnucash
[13:03] <mschiff> stdin: ok thanks
[13:04] <stdin> nosrednaekim: depends what it's called and the exact version it was given. if it's called something else then there's trouble ahead
[13:04] <WaltzingAlong> !info netselect | xevious
[13:04] <ubotu> xevious: netselect: Choose the fastest server automatically. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.ds1-9 (feisty), package size 18 kB, installed size 92 kB
[13:04] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: thanks
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> noam_: before uninstalling  the packages, switch the driver to the fre ati. in the monitor and resolution app.
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> stdin: yeah, its named differently
[13:04] <apparle> nosrednaekim: why fresh install???????
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> apparle: well, you have fiesty installed with various apps right?
[13:05] <rewolf> does it usually take long for the "Downloading and verifying the upgrade tool ..."  phase?
[13:05] <noam_> noaxess_kubuntu, you mean, uninstall the packages now, then make everything work (as it will undoubtedly break), then update to gutsy?
[13:05] <WaltzingAlong> some like more work
[13:05] <xevious> woohoo!
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> noam_: yes, that is what I am saying.
[13:05] <xevious> i need to download a total of 984M
[13:05] <xevious> :D
[13:05] <stdin> rewolf: the mirrors are being hit hard, give it time
[13:05] <noam_> all right, will do
[13:05] <Flegma> i cant update...i have gutsy RC version and when i click on version upgrade button, it says i have the latest version :(
[13:06] <rewolf> oh ok cool. actually i suppose thats understandable. i mean, it just came out. so stoked .lol
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> Flegma: you have the lastest version
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> !final | Flegma
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> noam_: but before you remove them, make sure you change the Xorg driver to be "ati", from "fglrx"
[13:06] <ubotu> Flegma: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[13:06] <Flegma> yes, but why is the button active??
[13:06] <sredna> doesn't gutsy support CUPS? kde4 apps appears to print using lpr ?!
[13:07] <sredna> or is it a problem in qt?
[13:07] <haraldhv> i have the opposite problem: the button is not active. trying a normal feisty -> gutsy upgrade with adept
[13:07] <stdin> sredna: kde4 is not complete, so expect bugs
[13:07] <xevious> oh no. 86k/s
[13:07] <xevious> rough.
[13:07] <xevious> i usually pull 750 or so
[13:07] <sredna> stdin: i kinda know :-)
[13:07] <noam_> nosrednaekim, alright
[13:07] <LiL-JoN> will my ATI Radeon 9550 work in gutsy gibbon?
[13:07] <xevious> well i'll catch you all later i guess
[13:07] <apparle> nosrednaekim: so what
[13:07] <sredna> stdin: i work on kate printing code, and i believe using lpr is not acceptable
[13:08] <apparle> nosrednaekim: will this create problems
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> apparle: well, if you hae any apps that don't come on the CD, then you can't upgrade
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> from the CD
[13:08] <xevious> oh. any .files in the home dir that i should replace with the gutsy versions when the upgrade is done?
[13:08] <sredna> why isn't qtconfig installed automatically?!
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> xevious: not neccesary
[13:09] <Flegma> i have problem with hal......please look at this and help me....save me from fresh instalation... http://www.pastebin.cz/show/2148
[13:09] <stdin> sredna: it could be the way one of the packages was built, talk to Riddell in #kubuntu-devel about it, he uploaded them
[13:09] <sredna> you install a HUGE, for many useless application like amarok, but not qtconfig?!
[13:09] <xevious> nosrednaekim: even with the switch to the new file manager?
[13:09] <CPrompt^> how are these upgrades via adept going?  i have a lot of "extra" packages and I would hate for it crash like it did when upgrading to Fiesty!
[13:09] <peterbuldge> how come all the links t download the cd are for dapper?
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> xevious: yup... eveything should be handled automagically :)
[13:09] <stdin> peterbuldge: refresh the page
[13:09] <xevious> nosrednaekim: supersweetmegaradolicious!
[13:10] <sredna> hm, qtconfig doesn't allow to tell it to use CUPS :-(
[13:10] <xevious> hahaha i cant believe how hammered the mirrors are right now
[13:10] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Only the ati drivers and OSS drivers
[13:10] <peterbuldge> ahhh.... had to shift +refresh
[13:10] <asimon> sredna: I guess more people use amarok then qtconfig. I doubt many people know about qtconfig at all. ;-)
[13:10] <noam_> noaxess_kubuntu, er, adept crashed during uninstallation. argh!
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> apparle: ah..ok, uninstall them, and then you can upgrade from the alternate CD
[13:10] <haraldhv> I have followed the guide on kubuntu.org and added "recommended updates". but adept does not give me any version upgrade button. I think I know about a --version-upgrade flag or something, but I'm really disappointed if people are actually expected to find out that by themselves
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> haraldhv: sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde
[13:11] <mschiff> would adept do more than switch sources.list entries from feisty to gutsy and dist-upgrade?
[13:11] <LiL-JoN> will my ATI Radeon 9550 work in gutsy gibbon?
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> it all works
[13:11] <stdin> mschiff: yes, adept does much more than that
[13:12] <byewindows> hello
[13:12] <xevious> byewindows: nice nick!
[13:12] <mschiff> stdin: is there a list somewhere what it will do on the upgrade? I would like to see in detail what it really does or would do...
[13:12] <xevious> and hello!
[13:12] <byewindows> I have an error with glxinfo http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41053/
[13:13] <byewindows> xevious: ;)
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> noam_: you talking to me?
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: should if it worked in fiesty
[13:13] <haraldhv> WaltzingAlong: yes, that's exactly the one I was using. could it be a problem because i am trying to use a japan mirror?
[13:13] <peterbuldge> is a good download manager that will do segmented downloading like getright for kde?
[13:13] <peterbuldge> I've wondered this for a while
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> kget maybe?
[13:13] <peterbuldge> kget doesn't seem to do it
[13:13] <noam_> nosrednaekim, oh, never mind that. anyway, i'm reinstalling xorg-driver-fglrx from the repositories, that's the way to go, right?
[13:14] <stdin> mschiff: not that I know of
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> haraldhv: did you run           kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[13:14] <nosrednaekim> noam_: that might work, yes, but I think you have to get rid of the blacklisting of the fglrx driver in /etc/defaults/linux-restrcited-modules
[13:14] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: yeah but i had to use restricted drivers
[13:15] <xevious> allrighty
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: well, gutsy shouldn't have any regressions, maybe the free ones will even work nor
[13:15] <peterbuldge> my sympathies to the people with ati cards
[13:15] <noam_> (/etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common)
[13:15] <xevious> gonna let the computer do its thing
[13:15]  * xevious hopes that this speeds up.
[13:15] <haraldhv> WaltzingAlong: my point was that yes, I know about that solution, but I was going to use adept for once and try a userfriendly upgrade
[13:16] <rewolf> the dialog could at least tel u if its downloading or queuing or wateva
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> noam_: yeah that thingy ;)
[13:16] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: is there tuts for compiz fusion ?
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> haraldhv: adept will eventually notice the next release, the option forces it do look now
[13:16] <noam_> ah, the 8.40 drivers (those which come with gutsy) are actually nice. you *do* get a GUI for things you used to do in ati-initial --something -Xfoo -bar or in xorg.conf, directly in the gui
[13:16] <xevious> haraldhv: i was too. but since the upgrade notice hasn't propagated to all the mirrors, it's necessary to use --version-upgrade right now
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: I think so, if not its really just one command. :)
[13:17] <LiL-JoN> i have a AMD64 computer what iso should i download?
[13:17] <xevious> i believe that's essentially correct
[13:17] <xevious> LiL-JoN: amd64?
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> noam_: yeah :)
[13:17] <noam_> restarting X, brb
[13:17] <noam_> hopefully
[13:17] <apparle> how to run WINE on amd64
[13:17] <haraldhv> xevious WaltzingAlong: oh, I see. so eventually normal users will get them too
[13:17] <WaltzingAlong> haraldhv: correct
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: are you experienced with linux?
[13:17] <xevious> haraldhv: yeah.
[13:17] <stdin> !wine | apparle
[13:17] <ubotu> apparle: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[13:17] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: not really but i have been using it 6 weeks
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: stick with 32 bit ;)
[13:18] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: i just started using KDE
[13:18] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: why?
[13:18] <xevious> what's the kubuntu development channel #kubuntu-dev?
[13:18] <Jucato> xevious: #kubuntu-devel
[13:18] <xevious> thanks
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: 64 has some additional headaches, 32 bit is just easier, and there is not a whole lot of performace gain for normal desktop apps
[13:19] <admiralsausage> is there a kubuntu DVD for gutsy yet?
[13:19] <apparle> stdin : http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/otherosfs/wine I cant see an amd64 version
[13:19] <LiL-JoN> well i rather use my 64bit to the fullest thats why i bought it :[ what headaches flash will install now
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> admiralsausage: dunno, is there one linked off that one on topic?
[13:19] <stdin> apparle: read the link, it has 64bit instructions
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: lets see, win32 codecs (playing wma's, etc) skype, and almost any proprietary app that you want will be a pain to run.
[13:20] <admiralsausage> nosrednaekim: not sure what you mean by that, but I can't find one on the mirrors. I guess I'll just wait.
[13:20] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: so basically i have no choice?
[13:20] <haraldhv> "could not verify the integrity of the upgrader application, the application will now exit." sigh, error messages like this without any further advice should _really_ be avoided
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: I'm just warning you, I personally use 64 bit, but I have been using linux for over 5 years,
[13:21] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: why do they make b4bit anyways?
[13:21] <apparle> stdin: I can't see the instuctions please tell me wjere
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: for computers with over 4 gigs of RAM
[13:21] <byewindows> someone please?
[13:21] <byewindows> I have an error with glxinfo http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41053/
[13:21] <byewindows> LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose ?
[13:21] <stdin> apparle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
[13:22] <nosrednaekim> byewindows: do you have an nvidia or a ATI card?
[13:22] <apparle> Which one should I use i386 or amd64
[13:22] <byewindows> nosrednaekim: ati radeon 9200se
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> byewindows: you should get the proprietary drivers for 3d
[13:23] <Greenery> how do i check if my kubuntu version had been changed from RC to official one?
[13:23] <apparle> stdin: I want to do it offline. how
[13:24] <byewindows> nosrednaekim: sure the fglrx worked but the radeon 9200se seems not to be supported now
[13:24] <haraldhv> and then I tried a second time, and got through it, but it dies with "dist-upgrade.py: cannot connect to X server :0"
[13:24] <nosrednaekim> byewindows: really? humm
[13:24] <stdin> apparle: you have to download the debs from the website and install manually
[13:24] <nosrednaekim> haraldhv: don't run it with sudo...
[13:25] <apparle> stdin: Can you tell me which debs
[13:25] <byewindows> nosrednaekim: I asked the question on kubuntu-fr.org but the answers was short
[13:25] <mschiff> Riddell: snapshot6.png looks different to its thumbnail
[13:25] <apparle> Which CDs are shiped by default alternate or desktop??
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> byewindows: I wasnt aware of ATI dropping support for it. are you sure about that?
[13:26] <LiL-JoN> apparle: why not just downlaod and create a cd?
[13:26] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: are you sure the driver is enabled
[13:26] <stdin> apparle: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.47~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-2_amd64.deb
[13:26] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: i have a ATI 9550 and the fglrx works fine
[13:27] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: how can I be sure for the radeon ?
[13:27] <apparle> LiL-JoN: I have connection of 46Kbps
[13:27] <LiL-JoN> apparle: WHOA!!
[13:27] <flake> anyone made the jump to lightspeed yet?
[13:27] <HeUnu> Hello!! can you try help me pls? I have to work on my linux but it sometimes exectue rest without reason... have you any idea what can be the reason for it?
[13:27] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: sure, fglrx work to on the Radeon 9500 of my son
[13:27] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: kde or gnome?
[13:27] <byewindows> kde
[13:28] <byewindows> on 9500 Pro, no souci
[13:28] <apparle> LiL-JoN: Which Cds are shipped by default alternate or desktop???
[13:28] <noam_> nosrednaekim, why would sudo modprobe fglrx return "FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx"?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Good morning stdin, what's the best procedure to upgrade to gutsy from feisty on the net , change my sources.list to gutsy and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> desktop
[13:28] <LiL-JoN> apparle: i think desktop usually you can pick what disk i dunno man
[13:28] <BleSS> how upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?
[13:28] <stdin> BluesKaj: nope :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[13:28] <elSandros> am I the only one missing the "Version Upgrade" button in Adept?
[13:28] <stdin> !upgrade
[13:28] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> noam_: you probably still have your FGLRX drivers all screwed up. did you get rid of fglrx from the disabled modules?
[13:29] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: ill try and help since im a ati user myself
[13:29] <noam_> yes
[13:29] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: il fact I must have the tv-out on (s-video) so fglrx was cool for that
[13:29] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: what card do you have?
[13:29] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: Ati Radeon 9200se
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> noam_: oh well, just turn the xorg driver to be ati and then upgrade.
[13:30] <xenol> helllo how can i upgrade to gutsy from feisty?
[13:30] <noam_> actually i'm on fglrx right now, but DRI is not workign
[13:30] <Bjorn_Odlund> so im following these steps (http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade)
[13:30] <Bjorn_Odlund> but it doesbnot work
[13:30] <elSandros> Bjørn: lacking the "Version Upgrade" button?
[13:30] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: some logs here http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=155725 (french comments, sorry)
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> noam_: you sure you are on fglrx?
[13:31] <Bjorn_Odlund> elSandros: yes
[13:31] <elSandros> me too
[13:31] <Bjorn_Odlund> soo
[13:31] <easytiger> if i do dist-upgrade... will it upgrade gnome as well as kubuntu... its only downloading 50MB of stuff
[13:31] <noam_> not really, no. but i see (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc." \n compiled for 7.1.0, module version = 8.34.8, which is the correct version (the one that feisty has in the repositories)
[13:31] <Greenery> run this command for version upgrade: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[13:32] <flake> upgrade manager
[13:32] <Bjorn_Odlund> how do I update?
[13:32] <stdin> !upgrade
[13:32] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[13:32] <HeUnu> problem on version 7.1 ububtu - My linux is rested without reason after clicking different keys.. What can be the reason ??
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> noam_: humm, maybe that disabled thing requires a reboot
[13:32] <noam_> i did reboot
[13:32] <jaime_> Hi all:) Just installed kubuntu on an old PC and did all updates. All is fine except the CD drive(s) and USB stick are not automounted, cannot be mounted by hand, k3b freezes upon start. Any takers?
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> noam_: oh =>
[13:33] <apparle> is alternate CD alive CD????
[13:33] <elSandros> Bjørn: just run the command Greenery gave, and the button will be there:)
[13:34] <apparle> is alternate CD a live CD
[13:34] <elSandros> eh... scratch that
[13:34] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: this is what you need http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AtiProprietaryDriver download the ati driver
[13:34] <stdin> apparle: no, alternate cd is a text installer
[13:35] <blendtux> so i can questions about gutsy overhere right now
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> blendtux: yup :)
[13:35] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: this is what you need http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AtiProprietaryDriver download the ati driver
[13:35] <Bjorn_Odlund> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[13:35] <Bjorn_Odlund> ??
[13:35] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html
[13:35] <stdin> blendtux: gutsy is out, so this channel is the official Kubuntu Gutsy channel
[13:35] <Bjorn_Odlund> with the "
[13:35] <blendtux> oke, i upgraded yesterday from feisty to the rc candidate
[13:36] <WaltzingAlong> !final | blendtux
[13:36] <ubotu> blendtux: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[13:36] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: sorry i have to go but maybe somebody else can help you sorry
[13:36] <blendtux> but now my kopete is not working, i did today apt-get updat and upgrade but still no new packages for kopete
[13:36] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: ok thx !
[13:36] <byewindows> X.Org 6.8 Drivers ? this one ?
[13:36] <blendtux> only opera
[13:36] <Morrissey> Hi! I have a Nvidia GeForce 8400m graphic card, and have connected my 32" HDTV with DVI ... I have managaed to set up twinview correct with the 32" at resolution: 1280x720 ... But I want it to use 1920x1080 ... when changing this in the "xorg.conf" manually, nothing apperas on my 32" .... any ideas?
[13:36] <Greenery> u go msn on ur kopete?
[13:36] <Greenery> *got
[13:36] <Morrissey> And using the nvidia GUI settings thing wont set higher resolution than 1280 ...
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> Greenery: there is an update for that http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[13:37] <Greenery> oh sweet
[13:37] <Greenery> thanks
[13:37]  * nosrednaekim is glad he doesn't use msn
[13:38] <Greenery> dont like msn but most of my friends are there
[13:38] <LiL-JoN> no
[13:38] <blendtux> anybody else has problem with kopete in gutsy
[13:38] <blendtux> crashing
[13:38] <WaltzingAlong> blendtux: there is an update for that http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[13:38] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: the https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[13:38] <blendtux> there is an update
[13:38] <blendtux> oh where
[13:38] <noam_> nosrednaekim, i remember this problem, i have had it before, and it was solved with this: sudo ln -s /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc/fglrx.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/volatile/fglrx.ko
[13:38] <blendtux> why is it not loading
[13:38] <byewindows> ok LiL-JoN thx
[13:38] <elSandros> oh crap
[13:39] <elSandros> 1,2 GB download to upgrade
[13:39] <byewindows> have a nice day LiL-JoN ;)
[13:39] <noam_> i thought that was a manual installation problem... did i mess something up?
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> noam_: ah! right! look, just do an upgrade and all that should be fixed for you in gutsy.
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> noam_: its BECUASE you did that that its not working :)
[13:39] <noam_> cool :)
[13:39] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: sorry i cant stay im 14 and ihavew to do homework before i go to sleep its 5:39 in the morning and im homeschooled
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> new kernel should fix all those problems
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: sweet really? I am too... 17 and homeschooled :)
[13:40] <noam_> how could that be? i replaced the kernel object in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/volatile/fglrx.ko ?
[13:40] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: nop, very thx to you
[13:40] <Bjorn_Odlund> Now it says cant verify integrety
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> noam_: hummm IDK. but a whole neqw kernel certainly can't hurt problems such as tese ;)
[13:41] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: yep im homeschooled and im 14
[13:41] <noam_> :)
[13:41] <elSandros> Bjørn: yeah, I got that too
[13:41] <elSandros> just quit adept and run the command again, and you should be good to go
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: cool :)
[13:41] <noam_> thanks
[13:42] <noam_> what's with adept not showing the version upgrade button by default?
[13:44] <swanfl> morning all
[13:44] <swanfl> I see kde4 beta3 is now available
[13:44] <swanfl> has anyone tried it?
[13:44] <blendtux> WaltzingAlong: where can i find the update for kopete, cause its not updating via apt-get
[13:45] <bottiger> swanfl: it's still gutsy only
[13:45] <bottiger> swanfl: so my guess is no
[13:45] <swanfl> no worries I'm gonna be using gutsy anyway :)
[13:45] <Hoondie> anyone know why i don't have the version upgrade button? it's saying there's 0 updates left, but no version upgrade button
[13:46] <bottiger> Hoondie: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[13:46] <tanguy_> kikoo
[13:46] <bottiger> that line should be in the topic
[13:47] <shadowhywind> hay all, does anyone know why my Full Upgrade button is not lit?
[13:47] <bottiger> shadowhywind: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[13:47] <flake> should i be skeered to hit the upgrade button
[13:47] <Greenery> blendtux: just download the file from the link and open it
[13:48] <spykedtomato> hey all - gutsy all up and running - just noticed  that the upgrade UNinstalled vmware-player, and apt-get doesn't want to install it- any ideas?
[13:48] <blendtux> wich link
[13:48] <Greenery> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[13:48] <l3dx> anyone else having problems with upgrade?
[13:48] <blendtux> thanks
[13:48] <spykedtomato> Package vmware-player is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[13:48] <elSandros> l3dx: lacking version upgrade button?
[13:49] <shadowhywind> thanks that worked
[13:49] <l3dx> elSandros, yuo
[13:49] <l3dx> yup
[13:49] <elSandros> thought so
[13:49] <l3dx> followed the instructions. but no luck
[13:49] <elSandros> run "kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[13:49] <elSandros> and the button will be there
[13:49] <l3dx> even tried changing to the repos to "main server"
[13:49] <shadowhywind> i just got a "Could not verify the integrity of the upgrader application. This program will now exit"
[13:49] <elSandros> it'll probably fail the first time, though
[13:49] <l3dx> elSandros, k thanks! :D
[13:50] <elSandros> give a cannot-verify-type-of-thingy
[13:50] <elSandros> so just quit adept when it does, and run it again
[13:51] <shadowhywind> little odd way of doing it.. but it seams to be working
[13:52] <noam_> "you have to download a total of 1806M"
[13:52] <WaltzingAlong> blendtux: there is an update for that http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[13:52] <Hoondie> thanks :)
[13:52] <Hoondie> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" <-- Works great
[13:52] <blendtux> yeah i am installing it already thanks
[13:52] <BluesKaj> yup, working well here too...so far
[13:53] <spykedtomato> hey all - gutsy all up and running - just noticed  that the upgrade UNinstalled vmware-player, and apt-get doesn't want to install it- any ideas?
[13:53] <l3dx> elSandros, thanks again! I'm upgrading :)
[13:53] <RurouniJones> Is there any reason for someone with a laptop and a not great GFX card to upgrade to gutsy?
[13:53] <easytiger> spykedtomato: try downloading vmware-server?
[13:53] <CPrompt^> BluesKaj : updating going well?
[13:53] <blendtux> is it correct when i want to install this update that it wants to remove several other packages
[13:53] <RurouniJones> Since the main benefit appears to be the accelerated desktop
[13:54] <xevious> sllllloooowwwwww
[13:54] <LiL-JoN> how do i install java
[13:54] <LiL-JoN> ?
[13:54] <stdin> !java
[13:54] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> CPrompt^, yes , so far
[13:54] <bottiger> xevious: yes! I'm only getting 150kb/s
[13:54] <spykedtomato> easytiger: i don't really need the whole server, just the player....
[13:54] <bottiger> I should have done like it did with feisty
[13:54] <xevious> bottiger: lucky. i'm rockin' 65 right now
[13:54] <bottiger> upgrade two days later
[13:54] <xevious> bottiger: jumps up to 200 at times
[13:54] <BluesKaj> CPrompt^, the DL speeds are a bit slow but that's to be expected
[13:54] <xevious> i wanna play with compiz
[13:54] <CPrompt^> BluesKaj : good to hear.  My upgrade to Fiesty didn't go so well.  I have *a lot* of extra packages so I hope that it will go ok.
[13:55] <xevious> i wonder how many thousands of people are updating right now
[13:55] <CPrompt^> BluesKaj : I'll probably wait a few days and then upgrade anyway.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> CPrompt^, a hint: update  feisty first then do the upgrade to gutsy
[13:56] <BleSS> Adept doesn't show Upgrade button
[13:56] <CPrompt^> BluesKaj : yeah.  I keep my feisty all up to date.  I think there was a package released yesterday..
[13:57] <LiL-JoN> i want to install this http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80
[13:57] <BluesKaj> yeah CPrompt^ , i just noticed that today for the first time in ages
[13:57] <noam_> this upgrade will take half a day
[13:57] <xenol> plz someone how can i update feisty to gutsy gibon?
[13:58] <stdin> see the topic
[13:58] <stdin> and
[13:58] <stdin> !upgrade
[13:58] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[13:58] <BluesKaj> I'm shutting ktorrent down for a while ,need all the BW I can get right now :)
[13:58] <CPrompt^> BluesKaj : just makes me nervous I guess.  Upgrade last time totaly made my computer useless for some reason.  I have a lot of extras.  Oh well.  That's why we backup  LOL
[13:58] <SteamMachine> Hi everyone. I'm in a reaaaally messy situation right now.
[13:59] <CPrompt^> What's going on SteamMachine?
[13:59] <SteamMachine> I had ubuntu, I install kubuntu desktop, removed ubuntu desktop... and when I rebooted, I logged in as usual, but was greeted with an xterm terminal
[13:59] <SteamMachine> I can run programs from this terminal, but I don't know how to get kde to launch in its entireity.
[13:59] <x_link> Hi!
[13:59] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop
[13:59] <x_link> I just downloaded the fix for Kopete.
[13:59] <BluesKaj> err
[13:59] <x_link> kubuntu-desktop
[13:59] <x_link> =)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> SteamMachine, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:59] <SteamMachine> BluesKaj: I alsready tried that.
[14:00] <SteamMachine> It is installed.
[14:00] <x_link> Anybody?
[14:00] <SteamMachine> I believe I saw something like "kde.pid not found" during bootup.
[14:00] <XenThraL> x_link: got one for x64?
[14:00] <xevious> SteamMachine: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[14:00] <XenThraL> I saw one in launchpad but it was quite large
[14:00] <xenol> stdin: but when i want to do full upgrade that option is greyed out in adept
[14:01] <x_link> XenThraL: No.
[14:01] <BleSS> xenol:  as me
[14:01] <slammer> hello all! I installed Gutsy rc few days ago. My general impression is good, however I wondered if any one of you guys is annoyed by hidden File Associations config panel. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/50320 The bug has been reported a year ago but IMHO has a new importance due to Dolphin. If anyone wants a simple solution, i posted a patch as the last comment.
[14:01] <XenThraL> bleeeeeeh that bug is annoying me
[14:01] <XenThraL> don't like pidgin :|
[14:01] <SteamMachine> already newest version
[14:01] <xevious> what's this update for kopete that people are talking about?
[14:01] <x_link> XenThraL: I can't connect to Kopete, cause it crashes. So I just downloaded this fix.
[14:02] <XenThraL> I'm wondering if it shipped with that bug? which I'm guessing it didn't, what makes me wander if I should wipe my tribe 5 and install fresh
[14:02] <SteamMachine> x_link: a while ago I found kopete kept crashing.
[14:02]  * genii sips a coffee and digs around for his allergy medication
[14:02] <SteamMachine> To fix it, I uninstalled and deleted the hidden folder in /home
[14:02] <x_link> SteamMachine: Yes, I just downloaded a fix for it. It's a .deb file.
[14:02] <rewolf> stdin: its still "dl'ing and verifying hte upgrade tool"  lol. thats an hour wait
[14:02] <xevious> genii: people just mowed my lawn, my eyes are burning.
[14:02] <noam_> argh. there's a known bug in kopete? i really should have waited at least a week before upgrading
[14:02] <xevious> genii: i've never had allergies before this year.
[14:02] <SteamMachine> Ahh
[14:03] <LiL-JoN> i want to install this http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80 how do i install it
[14:03] <SteamMachine> I don't have issues nowadays.
[14:03] <noam_> could you post a link to the bug and the fix?
[14:03] <SteamMachine> I don't understand what's wrong.
[14:03] <noam_> LiL-JoN, either follow the instruction in the java site, or use the ubuntu ways of installing java
[14:03] <SteamMachine> Kde is installed, the system is running, but kde won't run on bootup and I don't know how to make it.
[14:03] <xevious> SteamMachine: you get your login screen, right?
[14:03] <genii> xevious: I never had any til about 5 years ago. now they are horrible, especially in spring and fall
[14:03] <SteamMachine> yep
[14:03] <x_link> SteamMachine: Did you just install Kubuntu?
[14:03] <LiL-JoN> noam i just want the newest version of java
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> SteamMachine: what runs on bootup? you need to pick kde as your session at the login manager
[14:03] <SteamMachine> yes,
[14:03] <Jucato> xevious: ping
[14:04] <xevious> SteamMachine: log out of X if you're in it, and check which session is selected
[14:04] <Rebecca> is there a kubuntu torrent yet?
[14:04] <SteamMachine> it's kde
[14:04] <xevious> Jucato: yo.
[14:04] <SteamMachine> I've checked it many times.
[14:04] <xevious> Jucato: sorry. pong
[14:04] <rewolf> xevious : how did u get urs to start dl'ing so fast? mine is still dl'in and verifying the upgrade tool??? after an hour
[14:04] <elSandros> LiL-JoN: jre or jdk?
[14:04] <Jucato> xevious: hehe yo or pong would do.
[14:04] <WaltzingAlong> Rebecca: yes
[14:04] <vbgunz> when upgrading from feisty to gutsy, I see 1 install and just 42 upgrades available, is this correct?
[14:04] <Jucato> xevious: could you file a bug/wish for that in Launchpad if you don't mind (about the adept notifier thingy)
[14:04] <vbgunz> sounds like nothing
[14:04] <Rebecca> WaltzingAlong: url?
[14:05] <SteamMachine> I have installed gnome, just the basics, and that won't load either. Though as I said, I can run programs from it.
[14:05] <LiL-JoN> elSandros: how do i know what i need cause some java doesnt work
[14:05] <Jucato> xevious: so that we could formally discuss it with the guys who do the coding on adept :)
[14:05] <WaltzingAlong> Rebecca: releases.ubuntu.com
[14:05] <SteamMachine> Soon I want to simply reinstall from a CD... but until then...
[14:05] <Rebecca> WaltzingAlong: thanks :)
[14:06] <xevious> Jucato: sure thing.
[14:06] <vbgunz> does upgrading to gutsy require the use of backports?
[14:06] <Jucato> xevious: thanks
[14:06] <xevious> Jucato: just gotta familiarize myself with launchpad
[14:06] <Jucato> xevious: take your time. we have about 4 months :)
[14:06] <elSandros> LiL-JoN: just try "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre"
[14:06] <DevideZero> where i can download kubuntu gusty [final] ?
[14:06] <SteamMachine> DevideZero: nowhere...
[14:06] <BleSS> xenol:  kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[14:06] <SteamMachine> It's not released yet.
[14:06] <SteamMachine> Oh wait.
[14:07] <rewolf> lol
[14:07] <SteamMachine> Hm. the site said it wasn't.
[14:07] <LiL-JoN> elSandros: i love you
[14:07] <DevideZero> SteamMachine , nowhere ? [] so what i should do if i want to insall it ?
[14:07] <SteamMachine> wait until it's released?
[14:07] <xevious> Jucato: so i register first, then which section do i post in?
[14:08] <DevideZero> SteamMachine , but today is the 18 oct ...
[14:08] <SteamMachine> So um. Is there *any* way to fix my issue?
[14:08] <SteamMachine> well.
[14:08] <Greenery> gutsy is out
[14:08] <rewolf> i thort is was released
[14:08] <SteamMachine> maybe it is.
[14:08] <rewolf> lol
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> !final
[14:08] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[14:08] <Jucato> xevious: I'll get a link
[14:08] <xevious> SteamMachine: did you log out and choose kde as your session?
[14:08] <SteamMachine> I'm not sure. I thought that it was coming out a little later, because of the time difference.
[14:08] <DevideZero> http://kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[14:09] <SteamMachine> xevious: yes, I did.
[14:09] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: whats wrong with starting froms scratch lol
[14:09] <XenThraL> WaltzingAlong: so it did ship with the kopete bug?
[14:09] <Jucato> xevious: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug and just pick adept as the package
[14:09] <genii> Well, guess I don't need to d/l anything then ;) Cept unless if i need to install it somewhere else that is...
[14:09] <XenThraL> how odd
[14:09] <xevious> Jucato: thanks
[14:09] <SteamMachine> LiL-JoN: nothing? why...?
[14:09] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: well why not install from cd and start fresh
[14:09] <xevious> Jucato: you recommend that i hide my email address or not?
[14:09] <WaltzingAlong> XenThraL: actually the bug is not in kopete
[14:10] <Jucato> xevious:  your choice :)
[14:10] <XenThraL> kdelibs, right?
[14:10] <xevious> are there untrustworthy people here? do you hide yours?
[14:10] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: so you wont have to deal with side effects of this problem
[14:10] <rewolf> argh , is this thing ever gonna start the upgrade? how long have other people waited?
[14:10] <SteamMachine> because a) I don't have the CD b) it's beneficial in this instance to recover the system.
[14:10] <xevious> Jucato ^
[14:10] <LiL-JoN> rewolf: a long time people have said its took a hour
[14:10] <rewolf> b4 the upgrade starts?
[14:11] <LiL-JoN> rewolf: no to finish it
[14:11] <rewolf> oh
[14:11] <rewolf> mine has said "Downloading and Verifying the upgrade tool..." for and hour
[14:11] <Jucato> xevious: I don't
[14:11] <LiL-JoN> rewolf: im installing from desktop cd so i wont worry about that
[14:12] <SteamMachine> there is a cd somewhere, and if I find it, I probably will just reinstall.
[14:12] <SteamMachine> However...
[14:12] <Greenery> rewolf: just be patient :)
[14:12] <SteamMachine> I need to get back what I had first.
[14:12] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: ill try help you figure out how to fix it?
[14:13] <SteamMachine> sure.
[14:13] <spykedtomato> how do I identify and uninstall programs that I installed from source about a million years ago?
[14:13] <MidMark> upgrade wizard doesn't starts, any tip?
[14:13] <rewolf> Greenery: I will be, as soon as i know that other people have also sat on the same message for an hour ; and that its normal, and will progress
[14:13] <SteamMachine> how exactly do you plan to help? (I don't mean to sound snappy - just that I'm not sure what would be useful here)
[14:14] <spykedtomato> i can't install vmware-player because it says i have an old installation,but the old one isnt working... I installed it from source right after having installed feisty -- now i'm in gutsy...
[14:14] <Greenery> rewolf: it did happen to me when i upgrade feisty ro gutsy RC
[14:14] <rewolf> ok cool. thank u
[14:14] <rewolf> now i can get to my physics studying
[14:14] <rewolf> lol
[14:15] <reagleBRKLN> hi, i'm using a custom kernel with feisty, but would rather not. is there a gutsy kernel that will give me support for 4GB of RAM and preempt for my usb mic out of the box?
[14:15] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: is this your problemo http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=108055712504728&w=2
[14:15] <xevious> Jucato: is there any general convention for tagging the summary? should i put something like [usability] adept notifier runs during adept-instigated dist-upgrade? or scratch the [usability] part?
[14:15] <WaltzingAlong> !4gb
[14:15] <Jucato> xevious: scratch the tagging
[14:15] <vbgunz> I checked "recommended updates" *but NOT* "unsupported updates"... then clicked on fetch updates *but* I do not have any updates or upgrades :/
[14:15] <xevious> Jucato: right-o
[14:15] <SteamMachine> LiL-JoN: maybe - I can't open it. there's no way for me to switch windows at the moment.
[14:16] <MidMark> upgrade wizard doesn't starts, followed the instructions, but didn't help, any tip?
[14:16] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: can we make a privet chat and ill paste it?
[14:17] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: join LiL-JoN
[14:17] <SteamMachine> LiL-JoN: sure
[14:17] <vbgunz> MidMark: you're not alone, I too am experiencing no upgrade through adept
[14:17] <vbgunz> :(
[14:17] <MidMark> vbgunz: interestinh
[14:18] <MidMark> I've tried to change also servers but didn't help too
[14:18] <XenThraL> WaltzingAlong: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500
[14:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 4gb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:18]  * byewindows back
[14:18] <XenThraL> finally the x64 packages, if anyone else asks you can point them there :)
[14:18] <XenThraL> thanks Riddell
[14:18] <byewindows> sorry, what the matter with this ati compilation http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41058/ ?
[14:18] <SteamMachine> Arggh...
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> XenThraL: how happy are you! :D
[14:19] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: hey :)
[14:19] <XenThraL> yes well, now to reconstruct the mess I did in my /.kde...
[14:19] <byewindows> I juste think to you LiL-JoN ! Sorry, what the matter with this ati compilation http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41058/ ?
[14:19] <vbgunz> I tried, sudo apt-get update|upgrade|dist-upgrade. followed steps to do it through adept with no luck. I am unable to upgrade to gutsy. anyone know how or why?
[14:20] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: cat /etc/lsb-release           which version are you using?
[14:21] <Jucato> lsb_release -a works too :)
[14:21] <vbgunz> WaltzingAlong: ubuntu 7.04 feisty
[14:21] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: thanks
[14:21]  * genii hands WaltzingAlong a coffee
[14:21]  * WaltzingAlong thanks genii
[14:21]  * Jucato is jealous... though doesn't deserve to be handed out anything lately
[14:21] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: and you have been following the upgrade instructions?
[14:21]  * genii hands Jucato a coffee as well
[14:22] <genii> WaltzingAlong: Anytime
[14:22] <vbgunz> yes, I enabled recommended updates BUT NOT unsupported updates. I tried to fetch updates but upgrading never becomes an option
[14:22] <imagine[laptop]> apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade to gutsy ?
[14:22] <Jucato> genii: thanks, but like I said, I don't deserve it :)
[14:22] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3557421
[14:22] <vbgunz> I tried apt-get dist-upgrade after update and upgrade and all return nothing to update :(
[14:23] <letalis> vbgunz: my problem was 3rd party repositories causing it to bomb
[14:23] <genii> Jucato: You told someone to sudo rm -rf /*   lately? ;)
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: that can be
[14:23] <SteamMachine> Okay, what exactly is it that causes kde/gnome to start when one logs in?
[14:23] <letalis> i disabled those and its going without a hitch
[14:23] <Jucato> genii: nah... just not doing my "job" well lately
[14:23] <vbgunz> I'll try disabling 3rd party and see if that works
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: how about the instructions here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[14:24] <vbgunz> one sec, will look
[14:24] <genii> Jucato: Ah :( Well hopefully caffeine will help keep you alert so you can
[14:24] <Jucato> hope so too
[14:24] <vbgunz> WaltzingAlong: yes I tried those exactly
[14:24] <MidMark> WaltzingAlong: that instructions doesn't work!!!
[14:25] <MidMark> update wizard won't show
[14:25] <Greenery> no version upgrade?
[14:25] <MidMark> no
[14:25] <MidMark> nothing
[14:25] <Greenery> try this link: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems
[14:25] <Greenery> eh sorry wrong one
[14:25] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: do you have software-properties-kde installed?
[14:26] <Greenery> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[14:26] <Lynoure> Greenery: that known issues page is so glossed it hurts
[14:26] <vbgunz> WaltzingAlong: not sure, how do I check?
[14:27] <Greenery> pasted the wrong link >.<
[14:27] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: check it in adept manager
[14:27] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: in fact I don't understand well. I should do the sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run with my user instead to be root ?
[14:27] <vbgunz> should I replace feisty in apts sources.list with gutsy?
[14:27] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: or sudo aptitude software-properties-kde
[14:27] <Jucato> vbgunz: could you enable pre-released updates
[14:27] <Jucato> sudo aptitude install
[14:27] <LiL-JoN> yeah
[14:27] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: you could but this upgrade process will do that for you
[14:27] <Jucato> (if you're trying to install)
[14:27] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: run with user
[14:28] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: or sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde            (oops forgot install)
[14:28] <MidMark> WaltzingAlong: I have software-properties-kde installed
[14:28] <MidMark> no update for me
[14:28] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: I have the same error
[14:28] <vbgunz> I don't wish to enable unsupported updates. they all seem to be coming from backports
[14:28] <WaltzingAlong> MidMark: how far do you get?
[14:28] <genii> byewindows: Make sure its executable bit is set also so it runs
[14:28] <Kamos> I see more people have problems upgrading? The upgrade button won't appear?
[14:28] <Jucato> vbgunz: yes that's backports. please enable pre-released updates
[14:28] <MidMark> WaltzingAlong: what?
[14:28] <vbgunz> am checking with adept if I have it
[14:29] <WaltzingAlong> MidMark: in the process, the steps, how far do you get?
[14:29] <vbgunz> enable unsupported updates to upgrade to gutsy?
[14:29] <letalis> well this is weird, installation of gutsy went without a hitch on my machine.
[14:29] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: right click the file select permissions and select make executable
[14:29] <Jucato> vbgunz: no! not unsuported
[14:29] <letalis> my gf's however isnt
[14:29] <Jucato> vbgunz: pre-release
[14:29] <WaltzingAlong> make the upgrade button (magically) appear!        kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[14:29] <byewindows> LiL-JoN: chmod u+x ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run ?
[14:30] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: yes
[14:30] <byewindows> the compilation doesn't work too oO
[14:30] <MidMark> WaltzingAlong: I had always turned on recommended updates, all updated, but no update wizard
[14:30] <byewindows> 10 hours spend on my Ati ^^
[14:30] <MidMark> can be that I have kde 3.5.7?
[14:30] <lara_> hi
[14:30] <Jucato> MidMark: even pre-release updates?
[14:31] <MidMark> Jucato: no pre no
[14:31] <MidMark> but they are not mentioned in the instruction
[14:31] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: um I'm trying to think whatelse could be interfering
[14:31] <Jucato> MidMark: working on that..
[14:31] <MidMark> should I enable them?
[14:31] <vbgunz> adept really hogs the system when updating :(
[14:31] <jxjl> I had the same problems with upgrading and the kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" command helped me, upgrade tool is downloading
[14:31] <Jucato> MidMark: trying to confirm...
[14:32] <Jucato> for the past upgrades to Beta and RC, they were needed
[14:32] <byewindows> -rwxr--r-- 1 byewindows byewindows 53989404 2007-10-18 14:55 ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[14:32] <LiL-JoN> how do i delete a kernel
[14:32] <MidMark> weird
[14:32] <vbgunz> ok, I swear I said pre-relase updates before and it didn't work. but it's seeing an upgrade now
[14:32] <vbgunz> upgrade only 18 packages
[14:32] <vbgunz> wow, thats gutsy?
[14:32] <Jucato> vbgunz: no
[14:33] <Kamos> I tried adept_manager --version-upgrade and it did something, but now it says : "Could not verify the integrity of the upgrader application. This program will now exit."
[14:33] <Jucato> vbgunz: that should update adept first
[14:33] <MidMark> Jucato: turned on, now shows 20 updates
[14:33] <SteamMachine> baaack
[14:33] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: did it work?
[14:33] <SteamMachine> nope
[14:33] <genii> byewindows: another user yesterday had a similar issue. He had put the file not in his home dir and it would not run. Perhaps put it into /home<yourusername> , make sure it is owned by that user/group and executable. It is agui installer so don't use sudo to run it. Use instead from konsole or alt-f2 kdesu <filename>
[14:33] <vbgunz> Jucato: so download the 20 updates under "full upgrade" and then the real gutsy will be available to me?
[14:33] <Jucato> vbgunz, MidMark: that should update adept to a new version that has the --version-upgrade feature
[14:33] <hagabaka> do i just do aptitude dist-upgrade to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[14:33] <werty> hi to the room
[14:34] <xenol> plz someone can tell me  how can i update feisty to gutsy gibon?
[14:34] <MidMark> Jucato: don't confirm, adept isn't in the list of the 20ies
[14:34] <huszy> Kamos: select a diggerent mirror not the main server
[14:34] <Jucato> MidMark: hm...
[14:34] <Kamos> Ok, I'll try
[14:34] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: join my channel
[14:34] <SteamMachine> To recap for everyone here...
[14:34] <SteamMachine> I have kubuntu installed.
[14:34] <genii> byewindows: The ls -l result there shows you should do something like chmod 755 <filename><
[14:35] <SteamMachine> The major issue here is that when I log in, I get a graphical xterm console.
[14:35] <Jucato> vbgunz, MidMark: try upgrading first. Full Upgrade then Apply Changes, then Quit Adept. then restart Adept
[14:35]  * Jucato crosses fingers
[14:35] <byewindows> Ok I try
[14:35] <hagabaka> no new packages when i do dist-upgrade :/
[14:35] <SteamMachine> ie, everything it there... kinda, but it won't load.
[14:35]  * MidMark upgrading also with proposed packages
[14:35] <vbgunz> I don't see adept in the list of upgrades :(
[14:35] <byewindows> hmmm
[14:36] <Jucato> vbgunz, MidMark: good luck. may the source be w/ you
[14:36] <byewindows> I think I have destroy the run ^^
[14:36] <MidMark> the source... lol,
[14:36] <Jucato> well, the foss i you want :)
[14:37] <Jucato> if*
[14:37] <genii> byewindows: ?
[14:37] <byewindows> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41059/ genii
[14:37] <genii> byewindows: reading
[14:37] <byewindows> Extraction failed
[14:37] <BluesKaj> hey genii
[14:37] <soulwarp> I did sudo adept_manager --version-upgrade, now it says launch my distribution upgrade tool....whazat mean?
[14:38] <werty> a good firewall for kubuntu?
[14:38]  * genii hands BluesKaj a large coffee and goes back to reading pastebin
[14:38] <WaltzingAlong> soulwarp: a tool to specifically deal with upgrading the distribution (from 7.04 to 7.10, for example)
[14:38] <stdin> soulwarp: use 'kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"'
[14:38]  * BluesKaj passes the timbits to genii :)
[14:39] <genii> byewindows: Don't run it with sh or bash etc etc. It is a graphical installer
[14:39] <byewindows> oh ^^
[14:39] <Jucato> stdin: that's not in the instructions too :(
[14:39] <xenol> how can i start version update tool plz?
[14:39] <MidMark> nothing :(
[14:39] <genii> byewindows: instead do: alt-f2 then: kdesu /home/byewindows/<filename>
[14:39] <vbgunz> well am upgrading the 18 packages. I really hope this doesn't botch my system :/
[14:39]  * LiL-JoN smokes a bowl of crack
[14:39] <stdin> Jucato: that's the RC upgrade instructions, seems to work on feisty tho
[14:40] <MidMark> repeat the question: can kubuntu kde 3.5.7 for feisty did the trick?
[14:40] <MidMark> or some other package?
[14:40]  * genii sends LiL-JoN to rehab
[14:40] <Jucato> MidMark: not really. it shouldn't have any effect
[14:40] <soulwarp> stdin
[14:40] <soulwarp> command-not-found: error: no such option: --version-upgrade"
[14:40] <soulwarp> bash: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade": command not found
[14:40] <BluesKaj> stdin , my first try for the net upgrade failed , so i re-edited my sources.list to gutsy with source-o-matic , now the upgrade seems to be working ...a bit slow but fetching the upgrades at least  :)
[14:40]  * LiL-JoN Refuses rehab and goes back to shooting up herion
[14:40] <stdin> soulwarp: quotes matter
[14:40] <SteamMachine> Heroin?
[14:41] <stdin> soulwarp: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[14:41] <SteamMachine> I thought you were on crack...
[14:41] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: oops lol
[14:41] <genii> LiL-JoN: Don't make me sic the ppl that do that "Intervention" tv show on ya! ;)
[14:41] <stdin> BluesKaj: I think it's best if you enable -proposed too
[14:41] <MidMark> Jucato: launch that command too? ^^
[14:41] <soulwarp> stdin aha thanks
[14:41]  * LiL-JoN says jk and hopes he never goes to rehab
[14:41] <Necrobyte> buenas tengo una curiosidad, tengo un 2 tarjeta de red en el sistema, y cada vez que inicio el sistema las cambia esto es la eth2 aparece como eth1 y vicebersa...
[14:41] <xenol> plz how can i run distribution upgrade tool?
[14:41] <SteamMachine> ENGLSIII_SHSHSH
[14:41] <BluesKaj> stdin, enable -proposed ?
[14:42] <Necrobyte> sorry
[14:42] <SteamMachine> : )
[14:42] <xevious> Jucato: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/153911
[14:42] <SteamMachine> Or maybe kubuntu-es?
[14:42] <Jucato> BluesKaj: feisty-proposed or pre-release updates
[14:42] <stdin> BluesKaj: the repository  feisty-proposed
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, stdin done
[14:42] <dystopianray> is kopete broken for msn with gutsy?
[14:43] <genii> byewindows: Get it running now?
[14:43] <byewindows> genii: it doesn't work
[14:43] <soulwarp> stdin giving me the same deal "Ready to upgrade! Click finish to close Adept Package Manager and launch the distribution upgrade tool."
[14:43] <xevious> Jucato: i'm long-winded :) hey. at least i didn't go into the windows comparison... or should i have?
[14:43] <SteamMachine> dystopianray: well, a believe someone else is having issues, but there is a patch... somewhere.
[14:43] <byewindows> kdesu ~/ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[14:43] <Necrobyte> who speak spanish here? sniff
[14:43] <stdin> soulwarp: yeah, you close it then adept starts
[14:43] <MementoMori> hi all
[14:43] <stdin> !es | Necrobyte
[14:43] <ubotu> Necrobyte: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[14:43] <Jucato> xevious: looks oke to me
[14:43] <byewindows> chmod 777...
[14:43] <soulwarp> stdin lol you were right
[14:43] <byewindows> :\
[14:43] <Necrobyte> yeah
[14:44] <soulwarp> stdin ty
[14:44] <tzanger> anyone gotten remote cups printing to work with kubuntu?  i.e. the kubuntu machine is printing to a remote cups printer?
[14:44] <miked> I updated to the gutsy RC yesterday with hopes of doing an apt-get update when the final ver. came out. Now none of my panels at all work.  They are there but can't be clicked on.
[14:44] <xevious> Jucato: i know it's a bit nitpicky, but kubuntu is so remarkably easy that i believe it's come down to minor usability issues such as that
[14:44] <byewindows> genii: the sh come from this page https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.28.8-inst.html
[14:44] <tzanger> the remote system is working fine, as windows clients can print to it
[14:44] <MementoMori> it seems like torrent.ubuntu.com is a bit overloaded... there are other trackers avaiable?
[14:44] <byewindows> sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[14:44] <miked> when I log in as another user everything works
[14:44] <BluesKaj> soulwarp, just follow the instructions and things will work ok, yer on the right track now ...no need to keep quoting steps back to the channel
[14:44] <crazy_bus> how do I tell the tempratures on my cpu and motherboard?
[14:44] <xenol> xevious: did u dan kdesu adept-manager --version update and it shows u now run distribution update tool?
[14:44] <miked> how can I reset all my panels?
[14:44] <genii> byewindows: Damn. Did you make sure to d/l the version for whatever you are running? eg: 32 bit for x86 or 64 bit for x86_64 kubuntu
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> !sensors
[14:45] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto