[12:04] <ogra> rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:04] <ogra> (copy and paste the above)
[12:04] <ogra> err, stop
[12:05] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:05] <ogra> thats the right one
[12:06] <mhz> heheh, you really diserve a huge prize for all your patience, spirit and work!, mon
[12:06] <ogra> if i keep my job after this chaos release, its my biggest price :)
[12:21] <mhz> re
[12:21] <mhz> sorry
[12:21] <mhz> ogra, could you plase re post the rsyn stuff, I had not activated the logs yet :(
[12:21] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:22] <ogra> in the dir where your iso is
[12:22] <ogra> :)
[12:23] <ogra> :-D
[12:23] <ogra> :)))
[12:23] <mhz> oh, coolisimo!
[12:23] <ogra> better ? :)
[12:23] <mhz> if you do feel better, yes.
[12:30] <ogra> its ok... could be better... but i have a nice bottle merlot here and relax a bit
[12:31] <lucasvo> ogra: works
[12:31] <ogra> ah, fine
[12:31] <ogra> logged in ?
[12:32] <lucasvo> ogra: no, mouse doesn't work
[12:32] <lucasvo> and I can't press enter
[12:32] <ogra> use tab
[12:32] <ogra> known bug... sorry, my fault...
[12:32] <lucasvo> ok
[12:32] <lucasvo> and mouse?
[12:33] <ogra> i have already a new login manager ready but that wasnt accepted this late in the release cycle
[12:33] <ogra> hmm, no mouse at all ?
[12:33] <lucasvo> ogra: so what can I do to get the new one/
[12:33] <lucasvo> ogra: no
[12:33] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[12:33] <lucasvo> and some icons don't work
[12:33] <ogra> read te instructions
[12:33] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[12:34] <ogra> what kind of mouse do you use ?
[12:34] <lucasvo> ogra: ps2
[12:34] <ogra> hmm...
[12:34] <lucasvo> 3buttons and scroll standard old mouse
[12:34] <ogra> can you log in on console and run: lsmod|grep psaux ?
[12:35] <ogra> (client)
[12:35] <ogra> and lsmod|grep mousedev
[12:35] <lucasvo> nothing
[12:36] <lucasvo> and windows don't come I had to go to tty9
[12:36] <lucasvo> 0
[12:36] <lucasvo> and the desktop icon doesn't work
[12:36] <ogra> log out
[12:36] <lucasvo> and the trash icon neither
[12:36] <ogra> and run modprobe psaux on console
[12:37] <lucasvo> how can I do that without mouse?
[12:37] <ogra> ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:37] <lucasvo> module psaux not found
[12:37] <lucasvo> aha
[12:37] <ogra> hmm
[12:37] <ogra> very strange
[12:38] <ogra> ouch
[12:38] <ogra> err
[12:38] <ogra> modprobe psmouse indeed
[12:39] <lucasvo> oh
[12:39] <ogra> sorry... i had wine already :)
[12:39] <lucasvo> zz
[12:39] <ogra> after that another ctrl-alt-bakspace on the gui to activate it
[12:40] <lucasvo> my friend said metaframe is the only working terminal server... >D
[12:40] <ogra> pfft
[12:40] <ogra> ltsp is the best :)
[12:41] <lucasvo> when I have 3 different clients with different vga resolution how can I set that up?
[12:41] <ogra> you dont...
[12:41] <ogra> it happens automatically
[12:42] <lucasvo> no, screen can't be configured by itself
[12:42] <ogra> thats what we do
[12:42] <ogra> as i explained, /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup does that on boot...
[12:42] <lucasvo> but it does that wrong
[12:43] <ogra> but there is something weird with the psmouse stuff currently
[12:43] <lucasvo> ah ok
[12:43] <lucasvo> no there is a kernel message
[12:43] <ogra> about psmouse ?
[12:43] <lucasvo> yes
[12:43] <lucasvo> after I have loaded it manually
[12:43] <ogra> what did it say ?
[12:44] <ogra> i'm to tired to start a edubuntu install now to check it, but i'll solve it tomorrow if its a common prob and i can reproduce it
[12:44] <lucasvo> input lmPS/2 Logitech wheelmouse on isa0060/serial
[12:44] <ogra> thats fine
[12:45] <lucasvo> ehm and what about trash icon?
[12:45] <ogra> it just tells you what it loaded
[12:45] <lucasvo> in gnome bar
[12:45] <lucasvo> panel
[12:45] <ogra> doesnt still work ? not even with the mouse ?
[12:45] <mhz> ogra, my current ISO is  edubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso, will that rsyn work anyways
[12:45] <mhz> ?
[12:45] <ogra> hmm...
[12:46] <ogra> rename it to breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:46] <ogra> should work...
[12:46] <mhz> simple
[12:46] <mhz> ok
[12:46] <lucasvo> ogra: the icons are still a document with a red X
[12:46] <ogra> but from preview it might be more than 50MB... be warned
[12:47] <ogra> lucasvo, are you logged in with the same user on the server in X ?
[12:47] <lucasvo> ogra:  yes
[12:47] <ogra> ah
[12:47] <ogra> logout there and relogin on the client...
[12:48] <lucasvo> ok
[12:48] <mhz> duh! command not found :)
[12:48] <ogra> gnome-settings-daemon cant handle two logins from different hosts
[12:49] <mhz> nhz!
[12:49] <mhz> he
[12:49] <mhz> kde can?
[12:49] <ogra> no idea
[12:49] <mhz> i guess it does
[12:49] <ogra> KDE does wrid insecure things
[12:49] <mhz> yep
[12:49] <ogra> *weird
[12:49] <mhz> hence my favourite desktops are simple: Fluxbox and Enlightenment
[12:50] <ogra> we had someone who wanted to package e17 for universe... no idea if that happened
[12:50] <lucasvo> ogra: but my ltsp-client-setup configures my screen wrong! it can run at 1024x786 but it runs at 480x640
[12:50] <mhz> lucasvo, at least it runs :D
[12:50] <ogra> what kind of graphics card ?
[12:50] <lucasvo> mhz: yes
[12:50] <lucasvo> ogra: matrox
[12:51] <lucasvo> mga driver
[12:51] <ogra> hmm...
[12:51] <ogra> works for me...
[12:51] <ogra> i have a client with mga here
[12:51] <lucasvo> but at ubuntu normal I have to configure it manually as well
[12:51] <lucasvo> but it should work!
[12:51] <ogra> did you file a bug ?
[12:51] <lucasvo> no :(
[12:51] <ogra> else it wont get solved
[12:51] <lucasvo> should I, where?
[12:51] <lucasvo> at ubuntu or X
[12:51] <ogra> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:52] <ogra> xserver-xorg
[12:52] <ogra> but its intresting that it works fine for me...
[12:52] <ogra> (with a old G400)
[12:53] <ogra> yup rsync speeds up a lot
[12:53] <lucasvo> I have mga g200 :D
[12:53] <ogra> should be the same ...
[12:53] <lucasvo> runs at 720x400 but could run at 1024x768
[12:54] <lucasvo> oh I have creating accounts everywhere
[12:54] <ogra> mine runs at 1280x1024
[12:54] <ogra> out of the box
[12:54] <lucasvo> strange
[12:55] <lucasvo> I have a sdm-m51 15" sony lcd flatscreen
[12:55] <ogra> probably a problem with your monitor... if it reports the size wrong it might fail
[12:55] <lucasvo> could be
[12:55] <lucasvo> but why should it?
[12:55] <ogra> there is a wiki page about debugging X probs...
[12:56] <lucasvo> ogra: not today anymore
[12:57] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[12:57] <ogra> ;)
[12:57] <lucasvo> I will submit it and then go to bed when I have time I'll look at it tomorrow
[12:57] <ogra> for tomorrow
[12:57] <ogra> note that we'll release on 13th, every minute counts
[12:57] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[12:57] <lucasvo> I wil do try to do it now
[12:58] <mhz> root@elive[/home/Users/Rojo/mhz/MhzDownloads/RsYnc] $ rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:58] <mhz> @ERROR: Unknown module 'edubuntu'
[12:58] <mhz> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1171
[12:59] <ogra> there is a cdimage misisng in the path
[12:59] <ogra> meh
[01:00] <lucasvo> do you know why ubuntu is always switching from nonbootsplash to bootsplash during booting?
[01:01] <ogra> is it ?
[01:01] <ogra> not here
[01:01] <mhz> argh! sorry again
[01:01] <ogra> you missed one cdimage in the path
[01:01] <mhz> 128 mb of ram is too little nowdays
[01:01] <mhz> ?
[01:02] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:02] <ogra> before /edubuntu/
[01:02] <ogra> or did i gie it wrong ? then i'm really sorry
[01:02] <ogra> *give
[01:03] <mhz> don't worry
[01:03] <mhz> I copied pasted
[01:03] <ogra> meh
[01:03] <ogra> sorry
[01:03] <mhz> so, yes YOU did wrong! :D
[01:03] <mhz> the god thing is we can work it out
[01:03] <ogra> copy paste the above, it works...
[01:03] <ogra> just doing the same here
[01:04] <lucasvo> ogra: hm ctrl alt F1 doesn't work
[01:04] <mhz> it seems to be wotking
[01:04] <ogra> yup
[01:04] <lucasvo> ubuntu should release pocketubuntu (gpe.handhelds.org
[01:04] <ogra> lucasvo, on the client ?
[01:04] <lucasvo> )
[01:05] <lucasvo> ogra: yes but with real  ubuntu on hd
[01:05] <ogra> there is a buntu plan ...
[01:05] <lucasvo> ogra: public?
[01:05] <ogra> no
[01:05] <lucasvo> too bad
[01:05] <ogra> only planned yet
[01:06] <ogra> i was thinking about working on it... but then edubuntu became my fulltime project
[01:06] <lucasvo> that rocks! I always wanted a pocketpc with  ubuntu
[01:06] <lucasvo> ogra: are you paid for working on ubuntu? or do you do it in your free time?
[01:06] <ogra> i#m paied
[01:07] <lucasvo> ubuntu must do it...
[01:07] <lucasvo> :D
[01:07] <mhz> lucasvo, he's paid and we does it in his free time as well
[01:07] <ogra> haha
[01:07] <lucasvo> yeah
[01:07] <ogra> depends where you draw the line
[01:07] <lucasvo> ogra: are you from germany?
[01:07] <mhz> or in other words... he gets paid for his free time
[01:08] <lucasvo> lol
[01:08] <mhz> :D
[01:08] <ogra> i'd say i do it all in my free time and get some money ...
[01:08] <ogra> yes, i'm from germany
[01:08] <mhz> ogra, what happens with rsync if i suffer a power cut
[01:08] <mhz> ?
[01:08] <mhz> lucasvo, we all do
[01:08] <ogra> you can start where you stopped
[01:08] <lucasvo> mhz: school or what?
[01:08] <mhz> school
[01:08] <ogra> it picks up where it stopped
[01:09] <lucasvo> ah, but ogra  as well?
[01:09] <mhz> oh, nice
[01:09] <ogra> nope
[01:09] <ogra> they wont take me with 35 ;)
[01:09] <mhz> lucasvo, it depends of what you define by school.
[01:09] <lucasvo> mhz: yes
[01:09] <mhz> I am married have kids and all, but I am always learning and sharing
[01:10] <lucasvo> mhz: learning and sharing is much more ehm efficient than being taught in school
[01:10] <mhz> hehehe
[01:10] <lucasvo> really
[01:10] <mhz> we'll start the GNU school
[01:11] <mhz> where we all can submit changes :D
[01:11] <lucasvo> I mean do I learn that much in informatics ??? no not really
[01:11] <lucasvo> what should I do with my ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[01:12] <mhz> ogra, will at some time see any & progress somewhere?
[01:12] <mhz> ogra, I mean in rsync
[01:12] <mhz> any %
[01:12] <mhz> not &
[01:12] <ogra> yes, you should
[01:12] <mhz> root@elive[/home/Users/Rojo/mhz/MhzDownloads/RsYnc] $ rsync -v -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:12] <mhz> receiving file list ...
[01:12] <mhz> 1 file to consider
[01:13] <mhz> thats all the output
[01:13] <lucasvo> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
[01:13] <ogra> now it cmputes the differences ... then you see the progress... patiency...
[01:13] <mhz> ohh
[01:14] <lucasvo> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
[01:14] <ogra> what are you trying ?
[01:14] <lucasvo> sudo ltsp-build-client
[01:14] <mhz> lucasvo, see? we all go to school
[01:14] <mhz> :D
[01:15] <mhz> ohh
[01:15] <mhz> breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:15] <mhz>       681072   0%   21.45kB/s    8:53:26
[01:15] <mhz> hehehehe
[01:15] <ogra> yeah
[01:15] <mhz> it'll take as much as if I downloaded a whole iso :)
[01:15] <ogra> lucasvo, again ?
[01:16] <ogra> it wil go down a bit
[01:16] <lucasvo> ogra: what should I do with my ctrl+alt+f1
[01:16] <lucasvo> ctrl+alt+del works
[01:17] <ogra> ctrl+alt+f1 should too
[01:17] <lucasvo> ogra: but doesn't
[01:17] <ogra> something is really wrong with your setup
[01:17] <lucasvo> ogra: why?
[01:17] <lucasvo> it works
[01:17] <lucasvo> except ctrl+alt+f1
[01:17] <ogra> it doesnt ...
[01:18] <ogra> psmouse wasnt loaded and ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt work
[01:18] <lucasvo> it is strange
[01:18] <lucasvo> alt+f2 works
[01:18] <ogra> both should work...
[01:18] <ogra> oh
[01:18] <lucasvo> ctrl+alt+del works
[01:19] <lucasvo> what can be wrong?
[01:19] <ogra> no idea... as i said, i'll check tomorrow... i have no decent iso here, just syncing
[01:20] <lucasvo> aha
[01:21] <lucasvo> ogra: isn't the notification about updates useless when it doesn't updates package lists anyway?
[01:22] <ogra> why shuldnt it update package lists ?
[01:22] <ogra> note that you log in on the normal server desktop
[01:22] <lucasvo> ogra: what should I note?
[01:23] <ogra> that you see the notification from the server desktop :)
[01:26] <lucasvo> ogra: is there any more infomation about the "miu" ubuntu in the internet or is it kept secret? on what will it be based on?
[01:26] <ogra> look in the wiki, there was a spec we worked out at the last conference...
[01:29] <lucasvo> what do I have to look for?
[01:31] <ogra> buntu ?
[01:31] <ogra> dunno...
[01:31] <ogra> its on the BreezBOFs page probably
[01:31] <lucasvo> ah
[01:32] <lucasvo> I found it
[01:32] <magnon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c2%b5buntu
[01:32] <magnon> oh, too late
[01:32] <lucasvo> thanks magnon
[01:33] <ogra> :)
[01:34] <lucasvo> goodnight
[01:34] <lucasvo> I will postpone my meeting with MR. X-autoconfiguration to tomorrow
[01:39] <ogra> night
[02:00] <mhz> re
[02:14] <mhz> Monsoir Oliver
[02:14] <ogra> monsieur mhz ?
[02:15] <mhz> either I have to much bad luck or you are too wrong.. or a combination of both :)
[02:15] <mhz> 8515408   1%   18.66kB/s   10:06:10
[02:15] <mhz> it was 10% before the x server crash
[02:15] <mhz> now it's only 1%
[02:16] <ogra> it computes the sizes again... wait a while... it should pick up again
[02:16] <mhz> are you totaly sure it is like wget -c, allowing you to stasrt form where you were at?
[02:16] <ogra> pretty sure...
[02:16] <mhz> stasrt  = start
[02:17] <mhz> ok, I still believe you, moon
[02:17] <mhz> moon = mon
[02:18] <ogra> oh, damned, i think you would have needed --partial....
[02:18] <mhz> ?????//
[02:18] <ogra> after the crash
[02:18] <mhz> ?
[02:19] <ogra> to make sure it uses the partial transferred bits...
[02:19] <mhz> rsync -v -a --progress --partial ... ?
[02:19] <ogra> yes, but if it started again that wont work...
[02:20] <ogra> there are hundrets of options... see man rsync
[02:22] <ogra> oh, -z might be good for you too
[02:25] <mhz> so, what you say is: everytime X crashes, I should start with --partial and -z ?
[02:25] <ogra> heh, if X crashes often you probably should rsync on console ;)
[02:26] <mhz> hm, I thought so
[02:26] <mhz> but the Eterm looks sooooooo cooool
[02:26] <ogra> --partial keeps partial synced data around and -z compresses (much better than othe compressions)
[02:27] <ogra> the manpage has whole paragraphs for both
[02:28] <mhz> yes, I was reading when it crashes the last 2 times, so I quit reading :)
[03:05] <mhz_at_kitchen> F.Y.I  http://www.linuxandmain.com/tech/xibrettotips.html
[04:38] <mhz> re
[04:52] <magnon> hey
[05:07] <mhz> hey
[05:13] <magnon> it's still Dapper Drake, right? Someone wrote Dapper Duck on the wiki :)
[05:14] <mhz> no idea
[08:29] <Zaheer> morning all
[08:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: could you please follow up on my domain name request?
[08:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll call you...
[09:07] <Zaheer> has anyone here installed the nvidia drivers on gnu/linux box sucessfully?
[09:08] <spacey> Zaheer, in Ubuntu: yes ofcourse
[09:08] <spacey> Zaheer, its really easy, only two commands
[09:08] <Zaheer> no internet :)
[09:09] <jsgotangco> yes of course
[09:09] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx =)
[09:09] <Zaheer> got edubuntu dvd
[09:12] <jsgotangco> search for nvidia-glx
[09:13] <Zaheer> and what about the .run file that nvidia provides for linux distro's will that not help?
[09:14] <Zaheer> also if i install the nvidia-glx pckg will i still need to mod the Xfree/X11 conf?
[09:16] <jsgotangco> sure both will work
[09:16] <jsgotangco> its easier to get the deb though
[09:16] <jsgotangco> ./nvidia-bla.run
[09:16] <jsgotangco> then do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just choose 'nvidia' instead of 'nv'
[09:16] <spacey> Zaheer, you should use the deb
[09:16] <spacey> really
[09:16] <jsgotangco> spacey, agreed
[09:16] <spacey> sudo nvidia-glx-enable
[09:16] <jsgotangco> Zaheer, nvidia-glix is officially supported
[09:17] <spacey> or something like that
[09:17] <Zaheer> cool.
[09:17] <spacey> Zaheer, if you use the deb :p
[09:17] <Zaheer> ie not the .run pckg
[09:18] <Zaheer> cause thats the one im trying to use now and its such a pain to get working..
[09:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: was that your call I missed? worked till after 1am last night and then dreamed about wiki edits the whole night, so decided to go for a run this am.
[09:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: got your msg, will follow-up for you.
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW
[09:25] <jsgotangco> are you really sending me 200 CDs?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:25] <jsgotangco> an autographed cd would be fine really
[09:26] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ping
[09:37] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi
[09:37] <jsgotangco> err
[09:38] <jsgotangco> i forgot what to ask
[09:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: if you send a good proposal, then sure
[09:38] <JaneW> (once we have a working edubuntu to manufacture from)
[09:38] <jsgotangco> nahh, a JaneW-autographed cd would do for me :)
[09:38] <JaneW> heh
[09:38] <JaneW> since it's his artwork afterall
[09:39] <jsgotangco> the schooltool people wanted their description changed
[09:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:39] <jsgotangco> i gave it
[09:39] <JaneW> ta
[09:39] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:40] <jsgotangco> i remember now
[09:40] <jsgotangco> i'll pm you
[09:43] <Zaheer> are there screens of the cd cover?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> JaneW, do you have plan B in case you don't get the stock photos?
[10:02] <JaneW> we got a pdf of them yeserday
[10:03] <jsgotangco> goodie
[10:03] <jsgotangco> i guess its copyrighted stuff so i won't ask
[10:09] <jsgotangco> JaneW, working hard on the specs i see =)
[10:09] <JaneW> nod
[10:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco:  enjoying all the spam?
[10:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no it's not copyrighted I don;t think
[10:10] <JaneW> sent it to mhz already
[10:10] <JaneW> should I send to you too?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> cand you send it to me too?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:10] <jsgotangco> i can pig out on it
[10:10] <JaneW> ok
[10:10] <JaneW> heh
[10:11] <jsgotangco> is it the stock or the actual breezy cover?
[10:11] <JaneW> breezy cover
[10:11] <Zaheer> can i check it out too please :}
[10:11] <jsgotangco> Zaheer, :P
[10:12] <jsgotangco> prolly after oct. 13
[10:12] <Zaheer> pretty please..
[10:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:12] <JaneW> ok, as long as you aren't planing a coup (cos then I'll be lynched) ;)
[10:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i don't think its a good idea really
[10:12] <jsgotangco> no offense to Zaheer
[10:12] <Zaheer> none taken
[10:12] <jsgotangco> since the actual print isn't out yet
[10:13] <JaneW> say you guys release oohbuntu with that same cover on Oct 12?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:13] <JaneW> I still don;t really understand what's public and what's not (and why)
[10:13] <JaneW> but I do understand that companies like to keep things private until they are official
[10:13] <jsgotangco> if it doesn't contain anything, just assume its copyrighted
[10:13] <JaneW> and general public knowledge
[10:14] <jsgotangco> unless what's sent to you is explicitly stated as CC by SA or whatever license
[10:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well you look and let me know
[10:14] <Zaheer> look i dont wann get anyone into any trouble so its cool i can wait a few days :)
[10:14] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:16] <jsgotangco> we're just being careful really, even the name and the logo have copyrights
[10:19] <JaneW> yes but people can look at them ;)
[10:19] <JaneW> (the name and logo)
[10:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[10:20] <JaneW> I know silbs has been worried about making sure they were finalised and official, but once done they will be put up on the wiki
[10:20] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:20] <jsgotangco> joke
[10:20] <JaneW> so she just doesn;t want the draft stuff floating around (and printed as the official verion, possibly with errors)
[10:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thwap
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hey its the kid again
[10:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, this is pretty useless the pdf is not the original resolution
[10:25] <jsgotangco> at least we know the color scheme
[10:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, it would hvae been more helpful if we had it full bleed
[10:37] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:32] <hilaire_> hello
[11:33] <hilaire_> I saw people where able to upgrade from ubuntu to edubuntu but I did not found the info on the net. Any clues?
[11:33] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <hilaire_> hum, from ubuntu 5.04?
[11:38] <crimsun> no, 5.10
[11:39] <ogra> moin
[11:39] <crimsun> hi ogra
[11:39] <crimsun> hilaire_: dist-upgrade to 5.10, then install it
[11:39] <crimsun> hilaire_: or just use today's daily cd image
[11:47] <hilaire_> crimsun: ok
[11:47] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[11:48] <ogra> Yagisan, sorry i still havent read the pdf, th prerelease drawbacks are to much currently...
[11:49] <Yagisan> ogra: actually - I was about to ask - If I supply a patch to ltsp to allow it to build i386 clients on amd64 are you interested ?
[11:50] <Yagisan> I've been working a little script to allow "trivial" multiarch support ie i386 on amd64, ppc on ppc64 type of sstuff
[11:50] <ogra> to late for breezy, but i'm very itereasted for dapper
[11:50] <Yagisan> yeah - for dapper
[11:50] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[11:50] <Yagisan> I got pissed off that ltsp build amd64 clients for amd64 servers
[11:51] <Yagisan> I mean - who (currently) uses 64bit thin clients ?
[11:51] <Yagisan> thats overkill
[11:52] <ogra> Yagisan, i do :)
[11:52] <Yagisan> what other arches would support trivial support ?
[11:53] <Yagisan> ogra - from what you've said I think you live in a pc manufacturing plant
[11:53] <ogra> i think having multiarch for dapper is essential .... powerpc clients should be possible too there are cheap ppc solutions people might use... or they might reuse old imacs...
[11:53] <Yagisan> hmm- my thin clients are missing the games menu
[11:54] <Yagisan> well - all my thin clients are k6/2 (i586) or pentium2 (i686) - both i386 - while my servers are amd64
[11:54] <ogra> yup
[11:55] <ogra> i think we need to support all kinds of multiarch....
[11:55] <Yagisan> I think people are more likely to get the most powerfull server they can get
[11:55] <Yagisan> If I can get qemu to work - I'll try to add support for ppc clients
[11:55] <Yagisan> but for now "trivial"
[11:55] <ogra> if we ave half thick clents at some point amd64 will get intresting too... note that ltsp is not only edubuntu
[11:56] <Yagisan> I know - but you are the most visible project - and hence the one most likely to gain from having it first
[11:56] <ogra> its also used in offices... they might use local apps that need cpu power
[11:56] <Yagisan> ogra: I'm one of the "office" guys
[11:57] <ogra> but having a base to work on would already be a great start
[11:57] <Yagisan> I have apps in mind that I want local
[11:57] <Yagisan> have you also noticed that often you get kicked back to a login screen from the clients ?
[11:58] <ogra> kicked back ?
[11:58] <ogra> do you mean on relogin ?
[11:59] <magnon_> eerp
[11:59] <ogra> Yagisan, might be #15244
[11:59] <Yagisan> yes on relogin - and when I tried to run some apps
[11:59] <Yagisan> like the 32bit firefox + flash + java that I had to set up for the wife
[12:00] <ogra> its a bug we'll have to ship with :/ i'm not allowed to do "intrusive" changes, half of my fixes will have to wait until post release :/
[12:00] <Yagisan> magnon_: don't worry it'll get used to it - mine stopped crying long ago (it's dead =-O)
[12:00] <Yagisan> ogra: where are those changes ?
[12:00] <ogra> i had a long dispute over that already, but no avail...
[12:01] <magnon_> Yagisan: I just got my new passport. :P
[12:01] <ogra> for this bug there are none yet....
[12:01] <Yagisan> magnon_ : that reminds me - my daughter needs to get two passports
[12:02] <Yagisan> ogra: if I filed a severe bug on that - would that enable you to get an update in ?
[12:02] <ogra> nope
[12:03] <ogra> i have even to fight for trivial one line changes... the last one took me more that 2 days to get in
[12:03] <Yagisan> hmm - so we a get a trivial update for dhcp - but none for "I can't log in to my f*cking box" ?
[12:03] <ogra> (adding a "|| true " to a script)
[12:03] <Yagisan> ogra: that was you ?
[12:03] <JaneW> sigh
[12:04] <ogra> Yagisan, yes
[12:04] <Yagisan> never enough hours is it
[12:04] <JaneW> ogra: what's the answer to my question about if we fix bugs AFTER 13 Oct
[12:04] <ogra> i lost to much due to ubuntu related stuff...
[12:04] <ogra> JaneW, technically not possible
[12:04] <JaneW> could we still print CDs of that (with fix) and call it 5.10?
[12:05] <JaneW> (and hello - sorry)
[12:05] <Yagisan> G'day JaneW
[12:05] <JaneW> hi Yagisan
[12:05] <ogra> JaneW, the archive contents will be totally broken if it reopens... i cant guarantee that everything works
[12:05] <JaneW> oh of course we'll be on unstable dapper...
[12:06] <ogra> yes
[12:06] <JaneW> and could we freeze on Breezy and just change edubuntu?
[12:06] <ogra> nope
[12:06] <JaneW> :(
[12:06] <JaneW> *sulk*
[12:06] <jsgotangco> eh?
[12:06] <ogra> the infrastructure will be switched to dapper
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: so is there no way to fix this soon?
[12:06] <jsgotangco> woohooo
[12:06] <jsgotangco> software development - you gotta love it
[12:07] <ogra> expect that for example xorg might be broken from the first day
[12:07] <Yagisan> revolt peasants revolt ! down with the aristocracy !
[12:07] <JaneW> me starts with a word that rhymes with DUCK
[12:07] <ogra> so everything on top of it will be broken too
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra: yes I do expect that! ;/
[12:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, BUCK?
[12:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, PUCK?
[12:07] <JaneW> Yagisan: the peasants are revolting ;)
[12:07] <ogra> YUCK ?
[12:08] <JaneW> yes
[12:08] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: The very first word I taught my wife in english :)
[12:08] <magnon_> Right
[12:08] <JaneW> Yagisan: shame on you!
[12:08] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, Love?
[12:08] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:08] <magnon> I just want to show you guys what the new passport rules to the US actually allow
[12:08] <JaneW> ogra: so now that we have Cds we don;t want them....?
[12:08] <magnon> http://co.deworks.net/pub/pass.jpg
[12:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW, yay
[12:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: I had to explain "real" english - as used by the locals
[12:09] <magnon> Left picture is two years old, right picture is what I'm getting for my passport
[12:09] <Yagisan> she can use it perfectly now =-O
[12:09] <ogra> JaneW, lets decide that if we have a release, lets inspect it carefully if its worth it
[12:09] <magnon> if I were the border guarad, I'd rather let in a guy with an expired passport than that picture :S
[12:09] <jsgotangco> magnon, that is sooo like mako's passport pic
[12:09] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[12:09] <magnon> jsgotangco: maybe I can steal his ID :D
[12:09] <JaneW> magnon: cute
[12:09] <ogra> still g days to fight with mdz for every single pacth and fix
[12:10] <ogra> s/g/6/
[12:10] <JaneW> g days?
[12:10] <JaneW> are you doing a head stand?
[12:10] <magnon> JaneW: thanks :P
[12:10] <ogra> sorry the top of the six was to heavy, it fell over ;)
[12:10] <Yagisan> magnon: In Australia - the passport office would reject that photo
[12:11] <magnon> Yagisan: because I look criminal?
[12:11] <Yagisan> magnon: too dark - can't see eyes clearly
[12:12] <magnon> calibrate your monitor ;) I can see them pretty well
[12:12] <Yagisan> magnon: but yes - you do look shifty
[12:12] <jsgotangco> it would have been preferable if you tied up that hair too
[12:12] <JaneW> ogra: do you know anything about "Open Source Annual 2006", a German publication concerned with the various aspects of open source. ?
[12:12] <ogra> nope
[12:12] <magnon> jsgotangco: they accepted it anyway :P
[12:13] <ogra> you know i live at the end of the world here :)
[12:13] <magnon> ogra:...Berchtesgaden?
[12:13] <Yagisan> magnon: monitor is calibrated - it looks like you have completely black irises
[12:13] <JaneW> if that's what the dude looks like, that's what the photo should look like
[12:13] <JaneW> D'uh
[12:13] <magnon> Yagisan: That's not far from the truth
[12:13] <ogra> magnon, rather in the middle....
[12:13] <JaneW> ogra: in the restaurant?
[12:13] <Yagisan> magnon: oh - then it might be ok
[12:13] <ogra> magnon, looks a bit like norway countryside
[12:13] <magnon> I find Berchtesgaden somewhat at the end of the world
[12:14] <magnon> JaneW: Ha ha.
[12:14] <JaneW> at the end of the universe?
[12:14] <magnon> :)
[12:14] <ogra> yes... since i'm a MOTU :)
[12:14] <JaneW> heh
[12:14] <jsgotangco> see you guys later i'll enjoy my friday night first
[12:14] <ogra> andwhen i fell off the edge of the universe, i landed on edubuntu :)
[12:14] <magnon> poor edubuntu
[12:14] <jsgotangco> you guys should too :)
[12:14] <Yagisan> back soon - nappy change for bub :(:'(:(
[12:15] <magnon> is that why the badger has a flat tail?
[12:15] <magnon> gene manipulations + oliver
[12:16] <ogra> heh
[12:19] <JaneW> ogra: check mail box for some light relief
[12:21] <Zaheer> if i have a 5.04 workstation will i need to format if i wanted to upgrade to 5.10?
[12:21] <ogra> JaneW, lol, yes, that fits
[12:21] <ogra> Zaheer, just change the repositorys and upgrade....
[12:21] <JaneW> :)
[12:21] <ogra> oh, and CD upgrade should work too
[12:22] <Zaheer> oh ok... i was under a misconception then that i had to format.
[12:22] <Yagisan> Zaheer: it not Windows ...
[12:22] <Zaheer> :D i know it aint!
[12:23] <ogra> Zaheer, we guarantee sooomoth upgrades ;)
[12:23] <ogra> hmm... weird keyboard...
[12:23] <Zaheer> thats what i like to hear
[12:23] <Yagisan> Zaheer: only need to reboot  for a kernel upgrade - and I'm sure we can bug someone to fix that too
[12:23] <ogra> Zaheer, make sure the -desktop meatpackage is installed during the upgrade, then everything should be fine
[12:23] <ogra> lol
[12:24] <ogra> metapackage
[12:24] <ogra> Yagisan, we dont rule the HW world yet :)
[12:25] <Zaheer> i have a vm with edubuntu and a physical pc with debian.. and the more im using the vm pc the more im tempted to trash the deb pc... the only thing holding me back is that i dont have inet yet at home.
[12:25] <Yagisan> ogra: As far as I know - latest kernels can load another kernel and transfer control to it
[12:25] <Zaheer> with deb i could pop in 1 of the 14 dics and install pckgs from there
[12:25] <ogra> Yagisan, but the underlying one will still need a reboot if you want it up to date
[12:26] <ogra> Zaheer, you can do that with ubuntu too
[12:26] <Zaheer> with the dvd?
[12:27] <Yagisan> Zaheer: yep - but that's just main/restricted
[12:28] <Zaheer> i dont understand the way the packages are structured.. like main and universe...
[12:29] <Zaheer> are the main all essentiall pckgs? and universe the extra/optional pckgs?
[12:29] <Yagisan> Zaheer: basically - yes but
[12:29] <Zaheer> [listening]
[12:30] <Yagisan> it depends on your idea of essential - eg for me mc is essential
[12:30] <Yagisan> but that is in universe - so I need a net connection to get it
[12:30] <Zaheer> like i do alot of php/mysql development
[12:31] <Yagisan> Zaheer - you will most likely need universe then
[12:31] <ogra> its both in main
[12:31] <Zaheer> is that part of main?
[12:31] <Yagisan> parts of it are main
[12:31] <Yagisan> as far as I know anyway
[12:31] <ogra> but only on the DVD mysql isnt on the iso afaik
[12:31] <Zaheer> so is there no universe dvd i can DL or is that a strange request :)
[12:31] <ogra> nope
[12:32] <ogra> univrse holds about 17000 packages... thats hard to get on DVD
[12:32] <Zaheer> :D i figured...
[12:32] <ogra> you'd need several...
[12:32] <Yagisan> not a strange request - the have been a few requests - but it would be about 2 dvds
[12:32] <ogra> more than that
[12:32] <Yagisan> I mirrored it once
[12:32] <ogra> i'd rather guess 4 or 5
[12:32] <Yagisan> ah - dual layer dvds :)
[12:33] <Yagisan> be back soon - being called for dinner
[12:38] <Zaheer> one of my bugs has change to UPSTREAM what does that mean?
[12:39] <ogra> that upstream will care for it
[12:44] <Zaheer> who dat?
[12:46] <ogra> ?
[12:53] <Yagisan> Zaheer: upstream is whoever wrote the application
[12:53] <Yagisan> heh - never much scrollback here
[12:54] <Yagisan> anyway - any ideas on why some menu categories aren't showing up on the clients ?
[12:54] <Yagisan> they appear when logged in locally to the server
[12:58] <Yagisan> ogra: what arches do you have access too ?
[01:40] <mhz> moin
[01:41] <JaneW> moin moin
[01:41] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, install gets through...
[01:42] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: : did you read Kamion's mail :/
[01:42] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: YAY!!!! :)))
[01:42] <ogra_ltsp> but i just discovered that i have no german keyboard and the language selector seems not to pick up the settings :/
[01:43] <Yagisan> ogra_ltsp: do you have all your menus ?
[01:43] <ogra_ltsp> yup
[01:43] <Yagisan> even games ?
[01:43] <ogra_ltsp> yup
[01:43] <Yagisan> opengl work ? (accelerated)
[01:43] <ogra_ltsp> the path error still exists though, but mdy knows about it and he will accept a fix if i understood him right
[01:44] <Yagisan> glxgears  was giving 18fps on my client
[01:44] <ogra_ltsp> Yagisan, no idea its nothing release critical and i only have a nvidia card here
[01:44] <Yagisan> I have ati (dri based) and nvidia
[01:45] <ogra_ltsp> but when i tested in the beginning with my own xorg.conf that uses the binary driver, it always worked fine
[01:46] <Yagisan> yep - but we are using autogenrated xolrg.conf now aren't we ?
[01:46] <ogra_ltsp> so there shouldnt be a regression for cards that cne get configured automatically for GL
[01:46] <ogra_ltsp> Yagisan, you can use a lts.conf as with the classic ltsp
[01:46] <Yagisan> It gives that delightful message overwriting xorg.conf on boot
[01:46] <ogra_ltsp> it will read your xorg.conf
[01:46] <Yagisan> lts.conf ? how where
[01:47] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: I will begin debugging on X now
[01:47] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, everything works fine here, i just did a fresh install
[01:47] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: well not here...
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, i suspect your HD error might have caused a broken config... psmouse gets loaded
[01:48] <lucasvo> it is probably the problem of the display
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> nope
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> it was definately the psmouse module missing that prevented your X from starting
[01:48] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: so why does it not autodetect?
[01:48] <mhz> JaneW, cd design/ so we can use full color design on the cardboard but only 2 colors + white on the cd labels, right?
[01:48] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: yes, but I mean the screen resolution
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> no idea, but the autoloading of the module works
[01:49] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: yes
[01:49] <ogra_ltsp> oh, thats something else.... indeed
[01:49] <lucasvo> it worked on second boot up
[01:49] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: but  do you know why ctrl+alt+F1 isn't working? this is strange
[01:50] <ogra_ltsp> its a xorg thing, the xorg maintainer will need to fix, you said its also not working in non ltsp
[01:50] <lucasvo> when I enter it into a console, it just gives me ^{07P
[01:50] <lucasvo> when I enter it into a console, it just gives me ^[07P
[01:50] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: yeah so I should bugreport it or try by myself
[01:51] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, Kamions mail from this morning you mean
[01:51] <mhz> JaneW, cd design/ can you possibly get us the exact sizes (measurements?) of the cd slip parts. Is there any standard size? I have found no info on that yet, here in Chile.
[01:51] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, yup
[01:51] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: I would like to have a working ltsp now, is there any workaround?
[01:51] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, bugreport it with the datea as outlined on the wikipage
[01:51] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: what data as outlined?
[01:52] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: yes, that mail
[01:52] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: shouldn't I report it directly to XORG ?
[01:52] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, read the ltsp documentation from ltsp, create a custom xorg.conf that gets loaded through lts.conf
[01:52] <lucasvo> ok
[01:52] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, xserver-xorg in bugyilla
[01:52] <ogra_ltsp> bugzilla
[01:52] <mhz> ogra_ltsp, 656 MB is my current breezy-install-i386.iso You say now I burn it and that's about it. no more pain-in-the-back issues?
[01:53] <JaneW> mhz: well the current one is 12,5cm high, 14 cm across
[01:53] <ogra_ltsp> mhz, only with todays image...
[01:53] <ogra_ltsp> mhz, yesterdays still needs the IP provided in the installer
[01:53] <ogra_ltsp> todays works flawless
[01:56] <JaneW> Linus Torvalds on why not to use specs: "they're dangerously wrong. Reality is different, and anybody who thinks specs matter over reality should get out of kernel programming NOW." Second, "specs have an inevitable tendency to try to introduce abstractions levels and wording and documentation policies that make sense for a written spec. Trying to implement actual code off the spec leads to the code looking and working like CRAP."
[01:56] <highvoltage> Zaheer: please read the message i left for you while you were away
[01:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: Znarl said he would TRY to get to your request today
[01:57] <JaneW> I madea big fuss about being happy that we could go live over the w/e
[01:57] <JaneW> to spur him on
[01:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: thank you.
[01:57] <JaneW> but he emphasized the *try*
[01:57] <JaneW> so fingers crossed
[01:58] <mhz> JaneW, does linus say anything about developers not being allowed to subimt changes based on extremely strict rules?
[01:58] <JaneW> heh
[01:58] <JaneW> Online auction site eBay has agreed to buy internet telephone company Skype Technologies in a $2.6bn (1.4bn) deal. <- DAMN!
[01:59] <ogra> why ?
[01:59] <ogra> its proprietary stuff anyway
[01:59] <mhz> ogra, based on your instructions then...  rsync -v -a -z --progress --partial rsync:// blabla
[01:59] <ogra> they will still offer the software for free i guess
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: just a LOT of money
[01:59] <ogra> mhz, yup :)
[02:00] <ogra> mhz, you can drop the --partial... it will be quick
[02:00] <JaneW> So please don't bother talking about specs. Real standards grow up _despite_ specs, not thanks to them. -Linus
[02:00] <JaneW> ^ that's a quote - not me speaking
[02:00] <ogra> its a change of some byte only on the CD (will be a bit more to DL)
[02:00] <mhz> JaneW, :D
[02:01] <highvoltage> ogra: how is that possible?
[02:01] <ogra> highvoltage, ? what ?
[02:01] <highvoltage> ogra: "a bit more to DL", i'm sure it should be more than a bit if it's at least a byte
[02:01] <highvoltage> since there's 8 bits in a byte
[02:02] <mhz> lol
[02:02] <ogra> highvoltage, because positions on the CD might have changed so this must be reflected by rsync...
[02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, i made a joke. ignore me :)
[02:02] <mhz> ogra, 26485813   3%   20.18kB/s    9:05:33 :(
[02:03] <ogra> mhz, it will speed up...
[02:03] <ogra> dont worry
[02:03] <lucasvo> ok I did submit it
[02:03] <ogra> great
[02:03] <highvoltage> gtg
[02:03] <ogra> its very late in the release cycle... so dont expect it to get fixed now... but it will for dapper at least
[02:04] <mhz> do you also adjust your clock settings tomorrow at midnight, right?
[02:04] <ogra> no idea, my PC does that itself :p
[02:04] <JaneW> we don't
[02:04] <JaneW> we are sane here
[02:04] <ogra> hmmm....
[02:04] <JaneW> the time is the time
[02:04] <ogra> arguable ?
[02:05] <JaneW> lol
[02:05] <JaneW> true
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: can I book us seats on this to UBZ? http://www.fixx.co.za/pics/airbus/
[02:05] <ogra> whee... so our worst bug is fixed... lets see how many additional fixes i can fight through...
[02:05] <JaneW> yipee
[02:06] <lucasvo> ogra: first fix mine and then add it to final release! :D
[02:06] <ogra> yes, but the keyboard thing is worrying, no idea why no tester reported it yet
[02:06] <ogra> lucasvo, i dont fix xorg bugs
[02:06] <lucasvo> ogra: should I do bugreport as well?
[02:07] <ogra> JaneW, looks very tempting :)
[02:07] <Yagisan> ogra: no idea - I've yet to test Japanese keyboard settings
[02:07] <ogra> lucasvo, about what ?
[02:07] <lucasvo> ogra: the keyboard
[02:07] <ogra> Yagisan, wont work i fear... not without a lts.conf
[02:07] <Yagisan> maybe they just used us english
[02:08] <ogra> yes...
[02:08] <Yagisan> ogra: that's probably to be expected - at least with Japanese I can use an english keyboard
[02:09] <ogra> but not for german or spanish
[02:09] <Yagisan> just have to type it phonetically
[02:09] <ogra> we'll need some docs ... how to set up a lts.conf properly
[02:09] <Yagisan> there are some docs
[02:09] <Yagisan> I'm looking at the ltsp package now as I write my patch
[02:10] <ogra> but first i have to fix the path error so /usr/games is in the path :/
[02:10] <Yagisan> but - it's not clear on the Ubuntu changes
[02:10] <ogra> Yagisan, ubuntu ltsp picks up a configured lts.conf
[02:10] <Yagisan> ogra: usr/local/bin too ?
[02:10] <ogra> so the standard ltsp docs should be fine
[02:10] <ogra> no idea about /usr/local/bin, we dont use it anywhere
[02:10] <Yagisan> where does it pick the lts.conf from ? /etc /etc/ltsp ?
[02:11] <Yagisan> I use /usr/local/bin - I'm sure other users do too
[02:11] <Yagisan> it's where all my pbuilder scripts live
[02:12] <ogra> they dont do by default in ubuntu
[02:12] <ogra> nothing goes to /usr/local in a ubuntu system
[02:13] <ogra> i wont be allowed to fix more tha /usr/games and even this will be a big fight
[02:13] <Yagisan> ogra: until something 3rd party is installed
[02:13] <ogra> yes, if you compiled it manually etc... so you should be able to add it to your path then...
[02:13] <Yagisan> can the mistake be blamed on someone else ? (usr/games)
[02:14] <ogra> nope
[02:14] <Yagisan> your fault ? really ?
[02:14] <ogra> no matter who to blame, i'm the one to fix it
[02:14] <ogra> my fault that it isnt fixed yet...
[02:14] <ogra> not my fault that its broken though
[02:15] <Yagisan> just looking for reasons to justify it going in
[02:15] <ogra> i have to fix it, regardless of reasons.... its my job
[02:16] <Yagisan> ogra: and we appreciate every fix
[02:16] <ogra> that'd be very expensive before you even could start
[02:17] <ogra> GL apps over ltsp networks are a very very bad idea to run on more than one two clients...
[02:17] <ogra> you'd at least need gigabit
[02:17] <Yagisan> yeah - I actually did some performance monitoring a while ago
[02:17] <ogra> thats why we have no GL screensavers installed in edubuntu for example
[02:17] <mhz> ogra, i know you ask me for patience, np. however... 44238589   6%   21.48kB/s    8:18:57 seems I need lots of patience :D
[02:18] <Yagisan> I have 100Mbit here
[02:18] <ogra> mhz, you are in the right dir ?
[02:18] <mhz> JaneW, any chance to get the children photos? Do we have to use them? prefer to use them? can we propose something else?
[02:18] <Yagisan> but I'll try to run traffic shaping to "optimise" the bandwidth
[02:18] <mhz> ogra, same dir as yesterday (it took 9hours)
[02:19] <ogra> it should get very speedy at some point ... it does here at least
[02:19] <ogra> btw, its easier to just run that by a cron script while you sleep ;)
[02:21] <mhz> i imagine
[02:21] <mhz> the iso finished at 07 AM today
[02:22] <lucasvo> ogra: how do I have to configure my firewall for ltsp, which ports do I need?
[02:22] <mhz> this one looks like it will finish at 18:00 (an it's now the time I had to install) :(
[02:24] <ogra> lucasvo, why do you want to run ltsp through a firewall
[02:25] <ogra> mhz, did you keep a copy of the iso ? why dont you use the one from yesterday and change the IP afterwards ?
[02:25] <lucasvo> ogra: I have a firewall on ltsp-server which closes someport...
[02:25] <ogra> what for ?
[02:26] <ogra> i'd rather firewall my network at the gateway, not the ltsp server
[02:26] <lucasvo> ogra: I have nat on the ltsp server, but there are only port80 and a few others allowed, which one do I have to add for nfs, ssh or whatever
[02:28] <ogra> hmm, 111 for portmap, 22 for ssh, i think 2049 for NFS....
[02:29] <ogra> oh, and dhcp and tftp for booting indeed ...
[02:29] <Yagisan> hmm, ltsp -> firewall -> web -> customers firewall ->customers system && demo && support contract && money++ && happy girl
[02:29] <ogra> and then your firewall is so wide pen that it doesnt make sense at all anymore
[02:29] <ogra> s/pen/open
[02:29] <mhz> ogra, ooops, I did not copy the 1st iso (7am) instead, I just starte rsync :( wwwuuuaaaaah
[02:29] <Yagisan> now just to do that securely ...
[02:30] <ogra> alone opening portmap is a security flaw for a firewall...
[02:30] <ogra> i would do it separately
[02:30] <Yagisan> ogra: for dapper - over openvpn ?
[02:31] <ogra> to slow it down ? nah
[02:31] <ogra> just use two network cards and nat the ltsp network...
[02:31] <Yagisan> slow it down ?
[02:31] <ogra> close it to the internet and its fine
[02:32] <ogra> why another encryption layer to tunnel shh through ?
[02:32] <ogra> ssh
[02:32] <ogra> and i doubt the performance over a vpn link would be fun
[02:32] <Yagisan> I'm just looking at expanding over a wide geographical location
[02:33] <ogra> and tftp boot via internet ?
[02:33] <Yagisan> I would need to minimise the bandwidth
[02:33] <ogra> that'd be a PITA
[02:33] <ogra> and we dont plan such things :)
[02:33] <Yagisan> heh - I've already build bridged ethernet setups other the web
[02:33] <ogra> next release shall cover a school ... not a country ;)
[02:33] <lucasvo> ogra: now my login doesn't work anymore after:
[02:33] <lucasvo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ldm_installation.txt
[02:34] <ogra> lucasvo, but you installed the packages noted there, yes ?
[02:34] <Yagisan> well - I'm in sydney - my parents-in-law are in tokyo. I really don't want to fly over when the pc breaks
[02:34] <ogra> lucasvo, python-gnome2 is the essential bit, it wont ork without
[02:34] <lucasvo> ogra: yes I installed it
[02:35] <Yagisan> gives me something to try (for dapper)
[02:35] <ogra> lucasvo, in the chroot ?
[02:35] <ogra> Yagisan, and a normal ssh access doesnt suffice to maintain it ?
[02:35] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[02:36] <lucasvo> apt-get install python-gnome2
[02:36] <ogra> and that really installed fine without errors ?
[02:36] <Yagisan> ogra: I like my vpns
[02:37] <Yagisan> plus it sounds "cool" to my clients
[02:37] <ogra> lucasvo, it will pull about 20 other packages in from the server
[02:37] <ogra> there will be a notable installation go on ...
[02:37] <lucasvo> ogra: I already did that
[02:37] <Yagisan> it's oh - you can do an international vpn's - surely you can do our branch office too
[02:38] <ogra> lucasvo, any errors in ldm.log on the client ?
[02:39] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I find out?
[02:39] <ogra> read the log on the client ?
[02:39] <lucasvo> ogra: I can't use the client, doesn't work
[02:40] <ogra> i'm pretty sure python-gnome2 isnt installed right, else it would start...
[02:40] <lucasvo> root@lama:/# apt-get install python-gnome2
[02:40] <lucasvo> Reading package lists... Done
[02:40] <lucasvo> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:40] <lucasvo> python-gnome2 is already the newest version.
[02:40] <lucasvo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:40] <lucasvo> root@lama:/# cd /var/log/
[02:41] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -l python-gnome2
[02:41] <lucasvo> and yes it is in chroot
[02:41] <lucasvo> ok now it works but looks crappy
[02:41] <ogra> in which way crappy ?
[02:41] <lucasvo> there is a big whit bar at the right side
[02:41] <ogra> its in very early development ;)
[02:42] <ogra> but way easier to use than the other login screen
[02:42] <lucasvo> and lsmod psmouse wasn't loaded
[02:42] <ogra> what made it work ?
[02:42] <lucasvo> ogra: reboot
[02:42] <ogra> of the client ?
[02:42] <lucasvo> yes
[02:43] <lucasvo> but input doesn't work
[02:43] <ogra> there are some schools in the US that use it daily... but its not adjusting the resolution very good below 1024x768 yet
[02:43] <ogra> (thats why you see the white bar )
[02:44] <ogra> lucasvo, you have a working xorg.conf for that machine ?
[02:44] <ogra> (non ltsp that is)
[02:45] <lucasvo> ogra: I have this in my lts.conf
[02:45] <lucasvo>         SERVER             = <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL   = "PS/2"
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_DEVICE     = "/dev/psaux"
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_BUTTONS    = 3
[02:45] <ogra> hmm
[02:45] <lucasvo>         USE_XFS            = N
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MODE_0           = 1024x768
[02:45] <lucasvo>         SCREEN_01          = startx
[02:45] <lucasvo> ~
[02:46] <lucasvo> and X_MODE_0 doesn't work
[02:47] <ogra> are you even sure this file gets read ?
[02:48] <lucasvo> oh what have I done now, I don't even get an IP
[02:48] <lucasvo> ah not enough IPs on dhcpserver
[02:49] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I test if it gets read?
[02:49] <ogra> where did you put it ?
[02:50] <lucasvo> /etc/lts.conf
[02:50] <ogra> hmm, should be ok
[02:50] <lucasvo> on chroot of ltsp client
[02:50] <ogra> yup
[02:50] <lucasvo> root@lama:/home# sudo cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[02:50] <ogra> why do you use sudo if you are root ?
[02:51] <ogra> use only eithe one
[02:51] <ogra> *either
[02:51] <lucasvo> ehm copy and past your commands....
[02:51] <ogra> so dont use root ;)
[02:51] <ogra> i do it neither :)
[02:51] <lucasvo> how can I test if it gets loaded?
[02:51] <ogra> it gets loaded if its in this place
[02:52] <lucasvo> ok
[02:52] <ogra> less /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_config
[02:52] <ogra> see the top of this script...
[02:52] <ogra> it gets executed on boot
[02:53] <lucasvo> doesn't work
[02:53] <lucasvo> I can't move mouse nor I can see bootloader
[02:54] <lucasvo> ehm I mean login
[02:54] <ogra> if you move it away you can ?
[02:54] <ogra> (with wrong resolution ?)
[02:58] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[02:59] <lucasvo> but it hangs now :(
[02:59] <ogra> have you looked at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf ?
[02:59] <lucasvo> yes
[03:00] <lucasvo> but  can't use mouse
[03:00] <ogra> i hae no idea what tha is... nobody reported such an issue yet... but defunately your psmouse module isnt loaded
[03:01] <lucasvo> yes
[03:01] <lucasvo> and how can I load it?
[03:01] <ogra> and it works fine for me
[03:02] <ogra> less /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules ?
[03:02] <ogra> there should be mousedev, which pulls in psmouse
[03:02] <ogra> you can try to add psmouse there additionally
[03:03] <lucasvo> on server?
[03:04] <ogra> in the abopve file
[03:04] <lucasvo> ok
[03:09] <lucasvo> this work
[03:09] <lucasvo> s
[03:17] <Zaheer> im having trouble connecting to a windows xp sp2 admin share from 5.10. nautilis keeps crashing.
[03:18] <Zaheer> by admin share i mean c$, d$ for those who dont know.
[03:19] <JaneW> back in 15 mins
[03:21] <Zaheer> i basically want to map a share from the edubuntu pc to a windows pc.
[03:31] <spacey_ki> samba?
[03:44] <mhz> JaneW, can we use http://www.ubuntu.com/include/circle.jpg ? or is it anohter?
[03:46] <spacey_ki> was also a circle with kids
[03:48] <Zaheer> spacey_ki: yes
[03:50] <mhz> spacey_ki, url?
[03:51] <spacey_ki> http://www.edubuntu.org/
[03:51] <spacey_ki> its on the front
[03:53] <mhz> duh!
[03:53] <mhz> :)
[03:54] <Zaheer> anybody know how to install the subversion?
[03:54] <Zaheer> using apt
[03:54] <Yagisan> Zaheer: sudo aptitude install svn ??
[03:55] <Yagisan> ogra: did you get my patch ?
[03:55] <mhz> sudo apt-get install svn
[03:55] <mhz> or..
[03:55] <mhz> wget -c http://somewhere
[03:55] <mhz> tar -xvzpf svn.tar.gz
[03:56] <mhz> cd svn
[03:56] <mhz> etc
[03:56] <Zaheer> so whats mod_dav svn??
[03:59] <mhz> no idea, I have not used svn in about ayear
[03:59] <mhz> sorry
[03:59] <Zaheer> im trying sudo apt-get install svn but it says it cant find the package.
[03:59] <spacey_ki> Zaheer, mod_dav is webdav
[04:00] <Yagisan> Zaheer: and universe and multiverse to your apt sources.list
[04:00] <Zaheer> uh?
[04:00] <Zaheer> you need to explain... please.
[04:01] <spacey_ki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webdav
[04:01] <Zaheer> checking now...
[04:02] <Yagisan> Zaheer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:03] <mhz> sudo apt-get install subversion
[04:04] <mhz> Zaheer, sorry. subversion is the name, not svn
[04:04] <mhz> just write this on a terminal sudo apt-get install subversion
[04:09] <Zaheer> thanks
[04:09] <Zaheer> much appreciated.
[04:10] <mhz> np
[04:11] <Zaheer> :)
[04:11] <JaneW> mhz: I'd say no...
[04:11] <JaneW> mdz: use the kids one was per our wiki
[04:11] <JaneW> mdz: I'll send you a high res ver? or do you have it already?
[04:13] <mhz> nop
[04:15] <JaneW> mhz: do you agree it's a better pic for this?
[04:19] <mhz> yes, and nop
[04:19] <mhz> yes: it about children
[04:20] <mhz> nop: education involves eveyone, parents, grownups, sisters, brothers, friends, etc
[04:25] <JaneW> agreed
[04:26] <JaneW> ideally if we had an age-divers pic that would be great
[04:26] <JaneW> so far we are focussing on 'young' for this release though
[04:26] <JaneW> and we have documented that the target age group is 6-18
[04:27] <mhz> okidoki
[04:27] <mhz> I buy it :)
[04:28] <vmarks> hi
[04:28] <vmarks> any thoughts on using edubuntu as a standalone desktop instead of the whole ltsp?
[04:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco does that afaik
[04:32] <vmarks> any performance hit from running the extra processes?
[04:32] <vmarks> anything else I should be mindful of?
[04:32] <vmarks> and, because I'm anxious, how close to release candidate?
[04:34] <JaneW> ogra: will need to answer further sorry
[04:34] <JaneW> he should be back in amin or 2
[04:34] <vmarks> excellent
[04:34] <vmarks> thank you
[04:36] <JaneW> good luck :)
[04:41] <crimsun> vmarks: the daily cd image for today should be quite close to RC
[04:45] <vmarks> okay, point me in the right direction?
[04:45] <vmarks> and: will the daily image when installed do the automatic updates so that after final is released the pre-release would be updated to current anyway?
[04:52] <Zaheer> everyone have a good weekend and thanks again for the help :)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> JaneW: wiki spammer :P
[05:23] <mhz> hmmm, nogroup is equivalente for nobody?
[06:11] <Yagisan> ogra: get my little patch ?


[12:37] <mamarley> apw: It looks like the mainline kernel image for 4.12.7 never built.  It has been 10 hours since it was tagged and it still doesn't show up.


[06:33] <Squirm> morning
[10:53] <kbmonkey> hallo 0/
[11:14] <psyatw> hallo kbmonkey
[11:30] <Vince-0> surp! Braai day and all that
[11:33] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: you braaing?
[11:35] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[11:35] <Vince-0> herrow psyatw
[11:36] <psyatw> wat is braaidag?
[11:36] <Vince-0> some heritage day thing people feel the need to spam my social networks with
[11:36] <psyatw> oh, I see
[11:36] <Vince-0> like every day is braai day anyways
[11:40] <charl> good afternoon
[11:40] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:40]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:42] <Vince-0> surp!
[11:43] <superfly> Maaz: Vince-0 ++ [ every day is braai day ]
[11:44] <Vince-0> ya I dunno what all the fuss is about
[11:44] <Vince-0> pictures of people's vleis isn't exactly pretty
[11:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:51] <kbmonkey> sup Vince-0, no am am not braaing, I made a veggie dog though and have a box of strawberries and bananas and apples :p
[11:53] <charl> hi Vince-0
[11:53] <charl> hi superfly, kbmonkey
[11:54] <Vince-0> You're not a veggietanarian are you?
[11:54] <kbmonkey> black mushrooms are good on braii though
[11:55] <kbmonkey> yebo I am a vegetable!
[11:56] <Vince-0> ah! that explains it
[11:56] <kbmonkey> but admit it, braai day is not about the braai as much as it is about the beer
[11:58] <Vince-0> yes! and I'm all out of beer
[11:58] <Vince-0> not very good at planning these things, alcohol is the devil you know
[11:59] <Vince-0> but I know there's a 6 pack at work I can borrow for this emergency
[11:59] <kbmonkey> well they say he lives in the bottle but after many years of searching I still have not found the bugger
[12:03] <Vince-0> better the devil you know
[12:03] <Vince-0> I'm sussing a braai plan for this eve, might need to accomodate some veggies
[12:04] <kbmonkey> vegetarians burn pretty well. lol :D
[12:04] <Vince-0> put foil and oil
[12:09] <Vince-0> my favorite is those little bags of butternut, corgettie things at Spar with some garlic
[12:10] <Vince-0> oh and sweet-corn
[12:43] <Vince-0> hey kbmonkey, if you wanna hear some proper death metal: Devil Driver, Winter Kills album
[12:55] <kbmonkey> hooray for Devil Driver
[12:55] <kbmonkey> haven't listened to that in a while
[12:57] <Vince-0> yes! I'm uploading some pics of me in a Devil Driver pit to show you
[12:57] <superfly> kbmonkey: how did you make the veggie dog?
[13:03] <kbmonkey> that is awesome Vince-0 !
[13:04] <kbmonkey> with Frys sausages superfly
[13:05] <kbmonkey> the crumbed burgers are very good
[13:10] <charl> ein schnitzel?
[13:10] <charl> oh a crumbed burger
[13:13] <kbmonkey> ein schnitzel indeed!
[13:13] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: https://plus.google.com/photos/101611463436696898503/albums/5927173209405573409
[13:15] <Vince-0> hopefully the fest line-ups are as good next year
[13:27] <kbmonkey> cool, thanks its loading now!
[13:28] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, you heard of that cruise ship that is a metal fest?
[13:28] <Vince-0> 70000 tons of metal?
[13:28] <kbmonkey> I'll find the details once google loads
[13:28] <kbmonkey> yeah that
[13:28] <Vince-0> some pretty sweet line-ups but expensive to get to and nearly impossible to get a ticket
[13:29] <Vince-0> could fit in like 3 EU fests in 3 weeks for the price
[13:29] <kbmonkey> that crowd is big at download, dig the action shots!
[13:30] <Vince-0> yeah, I lost that camera the following year trying to be up front in an Iron Maiden show
[13:42] <charl> been playing with prosody yesterday evening
[13:42] <charl> got it installed, couldn't create an account with registration enabled using kopete but could make an account on the server and then connect using kopete
[13:43] <charl> federation also worked perfectly, added a user on a different server and could chat no problem
[13:43] <charl> then tried connecting using centerim and got some really strange error code that seemed to be random
[13:43] <charl> took a packet sniffer to it and used an unencrypted connection, got some really strange errors being sent around
[13:43] <nlsthzn> iron maiden <3 would so go to a show if I had a chanvce
[13:44] <charl> it's a pity prosody uses some xmpp/muc chatroom instead of plain old irc
[13:47] <charl> bah centerim doesn't even support muc lol
[13:48] <charl> and btw what is this business with iron "maiden" they are all dudes
[13:49] <Vince-0> Maaz, define Iron Maiden
[13:49] <Maaz> Vince-0: iron maiden \i"ron maid"en\, n. An instrument of torture used in the middle ages, consisting of a box large enough to hold a person, often in the shape of a woman, and having multiple sharp spikes on the inside. Called also the {iron maiden of Nuremberg}. [PJC], iron maiden n 1: instrument of torture consisting of a hollow iron frame shaped like the human
[13:49] <Maaz> body and lined with spikes to impale the victim
[13:50] <charl> savages on that island
[13:50] <Vince-0> and the biggest (classic) rock band in the world
[13:50] <Vince-0> if you get a chance, watch Flight 666 - flippen amazing tour
[13:50] <charl> no thank you i don't want to go one way to hell
[13:51] <Vince-0> ha! they're are not evil - their content includes the atrocities of war.
[13:52] <charl> you call yourself flight 666 that only says one thing to me
[13:52] <charl> that is one flight i am not going to get on board of
[13:53] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast#666
[13:53] <kbmonkey> that is the first time that Maaz got a definition right ha ha
[13:53] <kbmonkey> they do put on a good performance, even if their songs are a bit romantic
[13:53] <Vince-0> POWER metal!
[13:54] <kbmonkey> the next irc meeting agenda is item 666 :P
[13:55] <Vince-0> lool, those who reckon the number of the beast
[13:55] <kbmonkey> loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/666/agenda/add/
[13:55] <kbmonkey> XD
[13:55] <charl> well at least now we know where this channel is going...
[13:55] <charl> :D
[13:55] <charl> that is actually pretty hilarious i once stood in amsterdam on my way to dublin
[13:56] <charl> the machine didn't want to read my id card (which was new at the time) so i had to go to the service desk
[13:56] <charl> i got a ticket literally the number it was 666
[13:56]  * kbmonkey is not superstitious enough to believe in numerology ;
[13:56] <Vince-0> Iron Maiden: "Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast for it is a human number its number is six hundred and sixty six."
[13:56] <charl> then i went to dublin and on my way back the flight was delayed for over an hour due to a bomb threat back at schiphol airport
[13:57] <kbmonkey> hectic charl
[13:57] <Vince-0> lools, that's a good story
[13:57] <kbmonkey> one is the loneliest number
[13:58] <Vince-0> what about 0
[13:58] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[13:58] <Vince-0> it doesn't even have a negative to pair with
[13:58] <kbmonkey> it's a song
[13:59] <kbmonkey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE
[13:59] <Vince-0> Blind Melon - 3 is a Magic Number (hippies)
[13:59] <kbmonkey> perhaps 0 is not a number, but a placeholder
[14:03] <charl> but, the story doesn't end there
[14:03] <charl> when i was in dublin i saw a big statue
[14:03] <charl> photo not taken by me, but: http://i.imgur.com/VMUgf0i.jpg
[14:04] <charl> the one angel was stepping on a snake: http://i.imgur.com/62XsHgh.jpg
[14:04] <charl> the other angel was holding a fasces http://i.imgur.com/yhlxEXX.jpg
[14:06] <Vince-0> conspiracy I tell you
[14:07] <charl> eh... right
[14:07] <charl> well these days everything is a conspiracy, pretty much like "cloud"
[14:08] <kbmonkey> exactly why I wear my tinfoil hat while I sleep
[14:08] <charl> lol
[14:08] <charl> paranoid dilusionals again :P
[14:09] <charl> talking about conspiracies, i heard you south africans are now also getting your own id cards, complete with embedded microchips
[14:10] <charl> the cards are manufactured by a dutch company which is probably why they look almost identical to ours
[14:23] <kbmonkey> we are going to be chipped?!
[14:23] <charl> no in the card bah
[14:23]  * charl hands kbmonkey a tin foil hat :P
[14:24] <charl> i have an rfid chip in my passport, in my id card, in my travel card (ov chipkaart), in my staff card for work, etc
[14:24] <charl> but people are scared that this will lead to an eventual implantable chip which will be the mark of the beast
[14:37] <Vince-0> in that case I'll take oine
[14:37] <Vince-0> one*
[15:10] <kbmonkey> lol Vince-0! yeah that sounds pretty wicked. microchip of the beast. digital evil!
[16:00] <charl> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> evening superfly and others
[17:46] <Kilos> just came to check if all good here
[19:13] <superfly> kbmonkey: ah yes, we have them too. they're tasty
[19:36] <nlsthzn> night all


[02:59] <dmcglone> Hey all
[02:59] <Cheri703> hey
[03:00] <dmcglone> I'm still wondering what everybody has decided on the meet in may
[03:00] <canthus13> so is everyone. :)
[03:00]  * Cheri703 has no idea
[03:01] <dmcglone> I'm still waiting for people to confirm that the day is good or not
[03:03] <dmcglone> anybody catch the superbowl?
[03:04] <Cheri703> nope
[03:04] <dmcglone> It was a darn good one
[03:05] <Cheri703> I was driving back from NY and unwinding after the drive (also no tv service :) )
[03:07] <dmcglone> It wasn't on cable
[03:07] <dmcglone>  It was on ABC
[03:07] <Cheri703> we don't have an antenna or anything either
[03:07] <dmcglone> yeah, you need to get one of them converter boxes these days
[03:08] <Cheri703> $$
[03:08] <dmcglone> Yeah. :-(
[03:09] <Cheri703> hulu + torrents = FREE :)
[03:09] <dmcglone> The bluejackets also won friday and saturday :-)
[03:09] <Cheri703> nice
[03:10] <dmcglone> Tomorrow we play the penguins, I don't know who to root for, because I am also a penguins fan
[03:10] <Cheri703> penguins = linux, easy answer :)
[03:10] <dmcglone> I was a penguins fan all my life till the bluejackets came to columbus
[03:10] <dmcglone> Yeah, that does make it a little easier
[03:10] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:13] <dmcglone> I gotta take me a quick shower
[03:14]  * Cheri703 will probably still be here
[03:17] <gilbert> dmcglone: which date were you looking at?
[03:28] <dmcglone> gilbert: was looking at the 30th I belive
[03:29] <gilbert> dmcglone: but the room was reserved then, right?
[03:30] <gilbert> dmcglone: i had suggested looking at may 1 or the weekend after that.  would you mind looking into it?
[03:30] <gilbert> dmcglone: ultimitely those who want to go will make the date work
[03:30] <gilbert> dmcglone: so we should just choose one where we can get the room and just go for it
[03:32] <dmcglone> On may 30th around release the room is available only from 9am - 2:30pm
[03:32] <Cheri703> april 30, right?
[03:33] <dmcglone> Yeah, but on april 29th the room is available all day but it's on a friday
[03:34] <Cheri703> friday isn't good for me, dmcglone, look for the next weekend perhaps?
[03:34] <dmcglone> ok hang on
[03:35] <dmcglone> it's reserved on the 7th and the 14th of may
[03:35] <dmcglone> all day
[03:36] <dmcglone> all day on the 21st also, but on the 28th it's open from 1pm - 6pm
[03:36] <Cheri703> that sounds good to me
[03:37] <dmcglone> but I don't know if the 28th will work for me, that is my wifes birthday :-(
[03:37] <Cheri703> ah, nm
[03:37] <dmcglone> I would definitely be divorced then
[03:37] <dmcglone> lol
[03:38] <dmcglone> either that or crippled
[03:38] <dmcglone> ;-)
[03:40] <dmcglone1> who left the window open ;-)
[03:41] <dmcglone1> Ok well the 28th isn't gonna work for me, so let me look some more
[03:42] <dmcglone1> well on april 30th the library in dublin is open all day
[03:42] <Cheri703> do they have a decent room?
[03:42] <dmcglone1> same type of meeting room
[03:43] <dmcglone1> Dublin Meeting RoomMaximum Capacity: 55
[03:43] <dmcglone1> Standard Fixtures:Projection ScreenRefrigeratorSinkUnited States FlagStandard Equipment:Podium
[03:43] <Cheri703> perhaps put it up on the list? "dublin on 4/30, or main somewhere late may" ask for opinions?
[03:43] <dmcglone1> the stupid faces are "P's"
[03:43] <Cheri703> mine didn't make faces
[03:44] <dmcglone1> mine made faces of the toungue sticking out
[03:44] <Cheri703> what client are you using?
[03:44] <dmcglone1> because it's supposed to read "Standard Fixtures: Projection
[03:44] <dmcglone1> the ":p" makes a toungue sticking out
[03:44] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:45] <dmcglone1> the ":" and a "P"
[03:45]  * Cheri703 gets it
[03:45] <dmcglone1> Im using pidgin
[03:45] <Cheri703> ah
[03:46] <dmcglone1> Ok in the morning I'll write a quick e-mail to the list and see what everyone thinks about the dublin branch instead. I'd really like to keep the  meeting around release time
[03:47] <Cheri703> kk
[03:47] <dmcglone1> bad thing about dublin branch, the main has wireless access dublin don't
[03:47] <Cheri703> really?
[03:47] <dmcglone1> yeah  :-(
[03:48] <Cheri703> big negative
[03:48] <dmcglone1> yup
[03:48] <dmcglone1> Maximum Capacity: 30
[03:48] <dmcglone1> Standard Fixtures: Microwave Refrigerator Sink Whiteboard Wireless access Standard Equipment: Cables to connect laptops LCD ProjectorTV/DVD
[03:49] <Cheri703> that's a dealbreaker for me, no wifi
[03:49] <Cheri703> check the main dublin branch page
[03:52] <dmcglone1> None of them have wifi, but I know the one on south high st is across the street from McDonalds and Tim Horntons and you can get their WiFi from either place, So I'd imagine we could get it at the library
[03:53] <Cheri703> I know the branch near my house had wifi
[03:53] <Cheri703> hang on
[03:54] <dmcglone1> the Main library auditorium is available, it's got all the amenities and holds 200 people...LOL
[03:55] <Cheri703> heh, could be interesting
[03:55] <Cheri703> honestly, I'd prefer to have space for more than 30, we could (perhaps optimistically) get more than 30
[03:55] <dmcglone1> Microwave Projection Screen Refrigerator Sink United States Flag Whiteboard Wireless access Standard Equipment: Cables to connect laptops Coffee Pot 1 Coffee Pot 2 LCD Projector Overhead Projector Podium Slide ProjectorTV/DVDTV/DVD/VCR Wireless Microphone
[03:56] <dmcglone1> we just might
[03:56] <dmcglone1> My fear is only a couple show up :-(
[03:57] <Cheri703> eh, then we have LOTS of space, it's not like we have to pay extra
[03:57] <dmcglone1> true
[03:57] <Cheri703> Does the library provide wireless access? Back to Top
[03:57] <Cheri703> Free wireless service is available in all of the library’s facilities. Customers need to bring in their own laptop PCs, PDAs, or other devices equipped with an 802.11 wireless card in order to access the internet for free. A library card number and PIN will be required. This service will be available all open hours and will shut down automatically when the library closes. Please see a library staff member if you have questions o
[03:57] <Cheri703> r problems accessing the wireless network, or call us at 614-645-2ASK(2275).
[03:58] <dmcglone1> Cool
[03:58] <dmcglone1> so want to shoot for the dublin branch?
[03:59] <Cheri703> I think I'd still put it up for input (personally), but I'm good with it
[04:00] <dmcglone1> yeah, I'll do that. So far it's either the main library auditorium or the ublin branch
[04:00] <dmcglone1> d
[04:00]  * Cheri703 still likes the auditorium though
[04:00] <dmcglone1> I kinda do too, but wouldn't we look really stupid if you and I were the only ones to show
[04:00] <dmcglone1> LOL
[04:01] <Cheri703> heh, well, I'll figure out how to drag Unit193 along, and hopefully we can get his friend and his friend's dad along (his friend's dad is on the mailing list), so that's a few at least :)
[04:02] <dmcglone1> 5 people, 200 seat room. LOL
[04:03] <dmcglone1> lets advertise
[04:04] <dmcglone1> Thats what I'll do!
[04:04] <dmcglone1> I'll do it
[04:05] <dmcglone1> gilbert: you here?
[04:14] <dmcglone1> Ok E-mail sent
[04:14] <Unit193> I'll ask them once I get the date...
[04:14] <Cheri703> kk
[04:16] <dmcglone1> Unit, I think we are set on April 30th, just got to choose where and whether we need more or less
[04:20] <Unit193> dmcglone1: The email I got said 29th??
[04:21] <dmcglone1> it was a reply from then
[04:22] <dmcglone1> oh
[04:22] <dmcglone1> oops
[04:23] <dmcglone1> Thanks Unit193
[04:26] <Unit193> No problem!
[04:50] <dmcglone1> well I'm off to bed everyone
[04:51] <dmcglone1> g'night
[04:51] <Unit193> Bye dmcglone1!
[04:51] <Cheri703> night
[04:52] <Cheri703> so how are things Unit193?
[04:52] <Unit193> What things?
[04:52] <Cheri703> any things
[04:53] <Unit193> I've been too lazy to clone onto a bigger HD so I can put it in the better computer... I *really* should get that done...
[04:54] <Unit193> And I went to the hospital today!
[04:54] <Unit193> How about you?
[04:55] <Cheri703> I returned my rental car, returned a computer I'd worked on, and fixed some stuff in their office and made more money today than I made in a day at my old job, so it was an ok day
[04:57] <Unit193> Getting your own business off the ground?
[04:59] <Cheri703> attempting to, will probably still need to get an actual job though
[04:59] <Cheri703> so still going to look into the application for the hospital
[05:38] <Unit193> Cheri703: Still looking for things to watch?
[05:38] <Cheri703> in general yeah
[05:39] <Unit193> Warehouse 13, Haven and Doctor Who are some that I like
[05:40] <Unit193> +Eureka
[05:40] <Cheri703> have watched warehouse 13, haven sounds vaguely familiar, I'll look it up, and I watched some of the OLD dr who and meant to go back for the newer stuff
[05:40] <Cheri703> eureka = awesome
[05:45] <Unit193> One time you gave a list that I now use for ideas to watch :)
[05:47] <Cheri703> heh, happy to help :)
[16:22] <thafreak> Customer's employees make me stabby
[16:26] <Cheri703> any reason in particular?
[17:55] <canthus13> thafreak: set 'em on fire.


[14:26] <jeffmr> Does anyone know if the mbox 3 is supported in ubuntu studio?
[14:37] <OvenWerks> it needs an iLok? yuck
[14:43] <OvenWerks> :) came back and left right after my comment
[14:56] <OvenWerks> jeffmr: it is hard to tell
[14:57] <OvenWerks> but the "requires extra USB port for iLok" would make me look for something else
[14:57] <OvenWerks> (though that may be for the included software
[14:58] <jeffmr> Its just for the software.
[14:58] <OvenWerks> It does say USB2.0, which should just work... but personally I would not support any company that uses iLok :)
[14:58] <jeffmr> Yeah, a lot about Avid stinks.
[14:59] <OvenWerks> If you have the unit, just plug it in and try
[14:59] <jeffmr> I have
[14:59] <jeffmr> Alsa recognizes it but says there are no controls.
[14:59] <jeffmr> Not selectable through the sound control panel
[15:00] <jeffmr> Selectable in QjackCtl but not able to connect.
[15:00] <jeffmr> I think the mbox 2 and 1 are supported through the kernel.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> hang on a sec
[15:01] <OvenWerks> (on phone)
[15:05] <jeffmr> brb
[15:06] <OvenWerks> no controls is ok, a lot of USB devices rely on knobs on the box
[15:28] <OvenWerks> jeffmr_: a lot of USB devices don't show controls in ALSA, if jack can't connect it may mean that a change in settings would help
[15:29] <jeffmr_> Do you know what aplayer is?
[15:29] <OvenWerks> make sure it works with 48000 1024 2 first
[15:29] <OvenWerks> ya, that will pipe a sound file to an alsa device
[15:30] <jeffmr_> I don't seem to have that installed on my system.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> that is normally a part of alsa
[15:31] <jeffmr_> Driver alsa for the setting?
[15:32] <jeffmr_> Says D-Bus: Jack server could not be started.
[15:32] <jeffmr_> Could not connect to Jack server as client.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> ah, try killall -9 jackd jackdbus
[15:33] <OvenWerks> then try again
[15:34] <jeffmr_> Says 32 bit. Can I change that/
[15:34] <jeffmr_> ?
[15:34] <OvenWerks> aplay should have come with alsa-utils
[15:35] <OvenWerks> why would you want to change that?
[15:35] <jeffmr_> no process found for the killall.
[15:35] <jeffmr_> Yeah, I'm surprised about that.
[15:35] <jeffmr_> I thought that maybe 24 bit was the maximum the box supported.
[15:35] <OvenWerks> USB 2.0 normally means 24 bit so 24 switched to 32 bit float means the same bit depth.
[15:36] <jeffmr_> I see.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> so jack has started with your device then?
[15:37] <jeffmr_> No.
[15:37] <jeffmr_> Weird.  Alsa-utils were not installed.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> that is odd for sure
[15:38] <OvenWerks> if you are using qjackctl there is a messages window, what does it say when you try to start jack
[15:38] <jeffmr_> Just a sec.
[15:40] <jeffmr_> https://pastebin.com/VdvBigDX
[15:42] <OvenWerks> That doesn't give much info
[15:43] <OvenWerks> just for fun try setting the sample rate to 44100 (if you haven't tried that)
[15:44] <jeffmr_> same.  What is alsa: cannot open pcm device alsa_pcm for playback?
[15:44] <jeffmr_> Is that something I should have installed?
[15:45] <OvenWerks> shouldn't be
[15:47] <OvenWerks> can you play audio through the device with pulse?
[15:47] <OvenWerks> (from the desktop)
[15:48] <OvenWerks> does pavucontrol show it in the Configuration Tab?
[15:49] <jeffmr_> not an option from pulse.  Just has internal speaker.
[15:49] <OvenWerks> And this is a ubuntustudio install?
[15:50] <jeffmr_> I just downloaded it and installed from live usb.
[15:50] <OvenWerks> That does not sound like a full install.
[15:51] <jeffmr_> I installed everything and it updated everything.
[15:51] <OvenWerks> Studio would have come with alsa-utils for sure, I am wondering if the ISO is not right.
[15:51] <jeffmr_> My bios was set to uefi and then it complained about not being able to boot.  So, I switched it to bios.
[15:51] <OvenWerks> I use bios
[15:51] <jeffmr_> Could be.
[15:52] <jeffmr_> I never did the checksum thing.
[15:52] <OvenWerks> maybe install zsync
[15:52] <OvenWerks> then in the directory where you have the iso file,
[15:53] <OvenWerks> (I am going to have to look this up )
[15:53] <jeffmr_> That's ok.
[15:53] <jeffmr_> It was on my last install.  Just have it on usb now.
[15:53] <jeffmr_> I overwrote it.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> you should have ubuntustudio-18.04-dvd-amd64.iso I am guessing?
[15:56] <OvenWerks> Ah, so you don't have it anymore.
[15:56] <OvenWerks> still zsync will make sure you have the whole thing
[15:58] <OvenWerks> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/bionic/release/ubuntustudio-18.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[15:58] <OvenWerks> will download and check the checksum all in one
[15:58] <jeffmr_> Ok.
[15:58] <jeffmr_> zsync installed
[15:59] <OvenWerks> I think with the usb stick there is an option at boot to check the ISO as well
[15:59] <jeffmr_> Ok. I'll give it a try.
[16:26] <jeffmr> OvenWerks, I tried it and it scanned some files and then said press any key to restart.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> I don't know.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> I just know my own install
[16:33] <jeffmr> That's alright.
[16:33] <jeffmr> I'll figure it out.
[16:34] <jeffmr> Thanks for your help.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> no problem


[10:51] <bt40> Hi. I am porting to my device. Running this command for setting environment:   phablet-dev-bootstrap phablet     Getting error fatal: unable to access 'https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git/': Could not resolve host: code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com.   Please guide
[11:23] <hextreme> sorry if i missed due to poor connection.
[11:23] <hextreme> I am porting to my device. Running this command for setting environment:   phablet-dev-bootstrap phablet     Getting error fatal: unable to access 'https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git/': Could not resolve host: code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com.   Please guide


[02:50] <pep> newz2000: did you know the shipit theme existed as a drupal theme already?
[02:51] <pep> ubuntu;ec uses it
[02:51] <pep> http://nj.ubuntu-us.org/themes/
[03:01] <hubuntu> is the ubuntu07-nj theme
[03:01] <hubuntu> I had totally forgotten. SOrry newz2000.. I noticed just now (what was I thinking all this time?)
[03:36] <pep> good night
[04:47] <newz2000> no sweat on the time... I don't think that's the shipit theme though
[04:47] <newz2000> (no blueprint css file)
[11:52] <pep> Volans: hello
[11:52] <Volans> Hi p
[11:52] <Volans> pep
[11:53] <pep> I have very good news!
[11:53] <pep> the new jersey team already transformed the shipit theme into a drupal theme
[11:53] <pep> do you have an idea if this is a drupal 5 or 6 theme? http://nj.ubuntu-us.org/themes/ubuntu07-nj/
[11:53] <pep> in all cases it is the right one
[11:53]  * Volans looks
[11:53] <Volans> very good! newz2000 will appreciate much I think
[11:54] <pep> and if it is drupal 5 theme, we are going to transform it to drupal 6, I'm currently at a dev sprint for the new ubuntu-be site (desperately needed)
[11:54] <pep> but I don't know how to determine which type it is.... can you help me?
[11:55] <Volans> pep: you know the site where they use it?
[11:57] <pep> Volans: http://ubuntu.ec and http://nj.ubuntu-us.org
[11:57] <pep> I don't know if it is drupal 5 or 6
[11:57] <pep> newz2000: can we re-use the text from http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu to describe ubuntu on our home page you think?
[11:59] <Volans> pep: I don't found any reference to drupal in the source of the page... probably the quickest way is to ask them
[11:59] <pep> ah it is for 5
[11:59] <pep> it is for 5 because otherwise there would be a theme.info page
[11:59] <pep> file
[11:59] <pep> *
[12:00] <pep> Volans: do you think we can re-use the text from http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu ?
[12:00] <pep> or the complete page... I don't know
[12:01] <Volans> as I know for search engine found a duplicate content in different page is not good and they tend to give a lower ranking for those pages
[12:01] <Volans> so in general duplicate is not good
[12:01] <pep> Ok
[12:01] <Volans> for policy/license stuff you should ask newz2000... I don't know about
[12:01] <pep> thank you
[12:01] <pep> good point
[12:02] <pep> right
[12:16]  * Volans goes... come back later bye


[05:52] <Kilos> morning all
[06:20] <Kilos> hi henkj
[06:58] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[06:58] <Kilos> morning superfly all good there?
[06:59] <superfly> pretty much
[07:19] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:19] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos , how are you?
[07:20] <Kilos> good ty nlsthzn and you?
[07:20] <nlsthzn> I am fine... @ work and would rather be home to be able to watch the rugby :/
[07:20] <Kilos> aw
[07:41] <nlsthzn> not so bad...
[07:41] <Kilos> ya thats life i spose
[07:41] <Kilos> we should beat them ausies
[07:46] <nlsthzn> if we can beat them and get 4 tries then the series is on vs NZ
[07:56] <Kilos> yeah
[10:58] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[10:59] <Vince-0> Hi!
[11:27] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:27] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:27]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:27] <Kilos> hi charl_
[11:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[11:27] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[11:28] <charl_> hi Kilos
[11:28] <charl_> ich bin kaput
[11:28] <charl_> i just arrived this morning back from munich
[11:28] <Kilos> what made you kaput
[11:28] <Kilos> travelling?
[11:28] <charl_> octoberfest ist total verrückt
[11:29] <charl_> *oktoberfest
[11:29] <Kilos> you sposed to use trains not run
[11:29] <charl_> lol
[11:29] <Kilos> oh well, self inflicted punishment
[11:29] <charl_> yes i took the train from the netherlands all the way to munchen hauptbahnhof
[11:29] <charl_> theresienwiese is very close to the station (walking distance)
[11:30] <charl_> took two overnight trains
[11:30] <Kilos> ah
[11:30] <charl_> arrived 7 in the morning and left at 10 in the evening
[11:30] <charl_> hotels are almost impossible to come by in munich at the moment
[11:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[11:31] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[11:31] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[11:31] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[11:31] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[11:31] <charl_> i sat in the Hacker-Pschorr tent
[11:31] <charl_> it's funny because it contains the word "hacker"
[11:32] <Kilos> lol
[11:32] <charl_> in the hacker-tent hahaha http://www.hacker-pschorr.com/en/oktoberfest/hacker-tent
[12:24] <Kilos> hi captine
[12:25] <captine> Hi there
[12:39] <charl_> hi captine
[12:40] <captine> hi there
[12:41] <charl_> how's it going
[14:04] <charl_> ok photos uploaded http://imgur.com/a/z5TcB
[14:04] <charl_> there are a bunch that were taken in hannover too at the start
[14:05] <charl_> i traveled through hannover
[17:03] <magespawn> Good evening
[17:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn wb
[17:03] <Kilos> we won nlsthzn
[17:04] <nlsthzn> I saw uncle Kilos ... but we needed one more try :/
[17:04] <Kilos> yeah
[17:04] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[17:04] <magespawn> Hi nlsthzn
[17:04] <Kilos> if they only get 4 points against argentina then we even
[17:04] <nlsthzn> then they are 4 points ahead...
[17:05] <nlsthzn> if they got bonus point they are now 5 points ahead
[17:05] <nlsthzn> alo magespawn
[17:05] <Kilos> the comms okes just said if they get for we just need to beat them but if they get 5 we then need to win with bonus
[17:06] <Kilos> hows things magespawn
[17:07] <magespawn> Busy and you Kilos? Bit chilly tonight.
[17:07] <Kilos> im cruising ty. temp lekker here
[17:07] <nlsthzn> all depends on what they do in the next game uncle Kilos
[17:07] <Kilos> yeah
[17:07] <Kilos> lets hope
[17:08] <magespawn> Actually had to get the fleece out, and I am trying Kali
[17:09] <nlsthzn> lol me watching smite and kali is a character in it... I was like oO
[17:09] <magespawn> Lol
[17:26] <magespawn> Nope does not work, it is the 64 iso and i need the 32
[17:27] <Kilos> aw
[17:27] <magespawn> Not a waste though, have it for the future
[17:27] <Kilos> oh you got a cold front over you magespawn
[17:27] <Kilos> and rain
[17:28] <magespawn> Yup, noot much rain though,  need more
[17:28] <magespawn> S/noot/not
[17:28] <Kilos> gonna be gone tomorrow
[17:29] <magespawn> Apparently durban is also wet, so we might get more of that
[17:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:52] <Guest6157> hi guys, I have the weirdest problem on 12.04 server. I have setup the server as an Internet gateway/fw with a proxy service. The weird problem is that I can connect perfectly from the fw to anywhere and I can ping from internal pc's to anywhere but as soon as I try to pull down real data it just hangs. Anyone out there with this experience?
[18:53] <Tonberry_> can the firewall pull real data?
[18:54] <Guest6157> Yup firewall can connect anywhere and pull any data.
[18:54] <Guest6157> Here is an example to highlight the problem...
[18:55] <Guest6157> I telnet to pop server at Afrihost from the gateway/fw and I connect and retr a message
[18:55] <Guest6157> When I telnet from internal pc to the same pop server I connect fine.
[18:56] <Guest6157> I type in user and pass and even list all the messages - no prob
[18:56] <Guest6157> I retr a 900byte message - no problem
[18:57] <Guest6157> When I try to retrieve a 14kb message it just hangs
[18:57] <Guest6157> Any ideas? This is really wierd
[18:57] <Tonberry_> does http work?
[18:58] <Guest6157> I have masquerading turned on in iptables on ppp0 (i'm originating the pppoe from the fw)
[18:59] <Guest6157> ALl protocols suffer the same problem. If I http via the proxy - no problem
[18:59] <Guest6157> If I bypass the proxy it just hangs after the initial connection setup (about 4 packets each way)
[19:01] <Tonberry_> wireshark/tcpdump showing anything interesting?
[19:01] <Guest6157> Nothing I can figure, here is the dump with a telnet on port 80
[19:03] <Guest6157> root@gateway:~# tcpdump -n -i ppp0 port 80 and host www.perfecthideaways.co.za tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on ppp0, link-type LINUX_SLL (Linux cooked), capture size 65535 bytes 21:02:48.135726 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.80 > <IP_ADDRESS>.52397: Flags [S.], seq 985820861, ack<PHONE_NUMBER>, win 14480, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 6018902,nop,wscale 7], length 0 21
[19:04] <Guest6157> 21:02:48.135921 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.52397 > <IP_ADDRESS>.80: Flags [.], ack 1, win 115, options [nop,nop,TS val 6018911 ecr<PHONE_NUMBER>], length 0 21:02:49.134833 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.80 > <IP_ADDRESS>.52397: Flags [S.], seq 985820861, ack<PHONE_NUMBER>, win 14480, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 6018911,nop,wscale 7], length 0
[19:05] <Tonberry_> pastebin might be a better medium for this
[19:05] <Guest6157> OK :) you gonna have to help me - my first time on IRC
[19:06] <Tonberry_> http://slexy.org or something similar.
[19:06] <Tonberry_> Paste it there and paste the url here.
[19:08] <Guest6157> http://slexy.org/raw/s21ZYC3JBv
[19:09] <Guest6157> I ran a tcpdump on the inside interface as well and it is (afaik) the same
[19:11] <Guest6157> I have checked the MTU's on interfaces incl ppp
[19:14] <Guest6157> No mtu limit set in etc/ppp/options
[19:14] <Tonberry_> have you tried pings with large lengths?
[19:15] <Guest6157> Yup 5k pings run fine but obviously take a little longer to come back
[19:17] <Tonberry_> no other strange iptables rules that could start dropping packets?
[19:18] <Guest6157> Just ran a 15k ping and runs fine - it gets chopped into 20 packets - but all normal
[19:18] <Guest6157> I am running my own simple iptables rules to firewall the thing.
[19:19] <Guest6157> I am running the exact same rules on the orginal fw - this one is the replacement
[19:20] <Tonberry_> then i am out of ideas
[19:22] <Guest6157> hmmm, your comment made me ahve another look and I see some of the rules were using eth1 - not eth3 of outside if
[19:22] <Guest6157> let em test quick
[19:23] <magespawn> Rubber duck.
[19:25] <Guest6157> shoot that broke it - need to check out where the break is
[19:35] <Guest6157> OK, it reinstated the port 80 block to enforce proxy use
[19:35] <superfly> Guest6157: for a light-weight firewall that is easy to configure, I recommend Arno's IP Tables Firewall, it's in the repos
[19:35] <superfly> Guest6157: it does NAT, forwarding, etc.
[19:35] <Guest6157> problem still exactly the same -- any ideas?
[19:37] <Tonberry_> anything odd in kernel logs?
[19:42] <Guest6157> I'll take a look - at the risk of security I have posted the rules in case you guys can see something schupit - http://slexy.org/raw/s20Vcz8JKq
[19:45] <Guest6157> nothing popping up in kern logs
[19:54] <Guest6157> Here is something interesting - when I download a 1039byte email I see this
[19:54] <Guest6157> 21:51:43.264805 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.110 > <IP_ADDRESS>.35805: Flags [P.], seq 1161:2220, ack 73, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 6752746], length 1059
[19:54] <Guest6157> You see the 1059 byte packet
[19:55] <Guest6157> When I download a 4542byte email I see this
[19:55] <Tonberry_> iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
[19:55] <Guest6157> 21:52:25.929352 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.110 > <IP_ADDRESS>.35805: Flags [P.], seq 6564:6782, ack 82, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 6763413], length 218
[19:55] <Tonberry_> what happens with that one if you change it to eth3?
[19:56] <Guest6157> Only a 218 byte packet followed by ack 2220bytes
[19:58] <Guest6157> Hmm let me see why that is there
[20:02] <Guest6157> That rule is supposed to only allow 'state' traffic inbound to inside interface
[20:03] <Tonberry_> you already have iptables -t filter -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[20:03] <Tonberry_> higher up
[20:03] <Guest6157> hmmm, let me delete and see
[20:04] <Tonberry_> I don't think it should make a difference but then again your setup should work
[20:07] <Guest6157> Ya that didn't change anything
[20:11] <Guest6157> It is almost certainly got to do with the packet size
[20:11] <Tonberry_> yeah that is weird
[20:14] <Tonberry_> why does it ack for so much data?
[20:15] <Guest6157> Good point, let me see the packets going out before they get to the fw
[20:21] <Guest6157> Same packets inside (pc interface) and outside (ppp0)
[20:24] <Guest6157> The packet with length 218 is returning packet from the server
[20:24] <Guest6157> Let's see what the packets direct from the gateway look like
[20:30] <Guest6157> Here is the comparison between the pc and the fw downloading the same email message using retr
[20:30] <Guest6157> http://slexy.org/raw/s20wXm94lw
[20:32] <Guest6157> This is the first packet coming back from the pop server (fw connection)
[20:32] <Guest6157> 22:27:04.181099 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.110 > <IP_ADDRESS>.38959: Flags [.], seq 1:1441, ack 9, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 7553708], length 1440
[20:33] <Tonberry_> it looks like the pc is only getting the very last packet
[20:33] <Guest6157> This is the first packet coming back from the server (pc inside)
[20:33] <Guest6157> 22:19:54.266592 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.110 > <IP_ADDRESS>.35807: Flags [P.], seq 5625:5843, ack 73, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 7152511], length 218
[20:34] <Tonberry_> is this the same connections as seen from the server and pc?
[20:34] <Tonberry_> or is this the pc attempting it and the server attempting it?
[20:36] <Guest6157> This is seperate connections
[20:37] <Guest6157> But I think you are onto something because the serial nos don;t line up
[20:37] <Tonberry_> the pc also ack 1281 twice
[20:37] <Tonberry_> looks like it trying to go for a fast retransmit
[20:38] <Tonberry_> acks*
[20:38] <Tonberry_> still looks a lot like a mtu issue
[20:39] <Tonberry_> what happens when you force the ppp device mtu to 500
[20:39] <Tonberry_> ?
[20:41] <Tonberry_> what is the MTU on your internal network interfaces?
[20:41] <Tonberry_> eth3 if I understand your server correctly
[20:43] <Guest6157> can't force a higher mtu on the ppp interface - can only set the max limit but it will auto negotiate a lower one if it feels needs to
[20:44] <Tonberry_> the default is lower than 500?
[20:45] <Guest6157> both phys interfaces have 1500 mtu - let me check the ppp settings again
[20:46] <Guest6157>          inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  P-t-P:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:1
[20:48] <Tonberry_> I think its worth a try to test with a lower mtu on the ppp interface
[20:48] <Tonberry_> ip link set dev ppp? mtu 500
[20:48] <Tonberry_> or something similar
[20:49] <Tonberry_> 500 is usually small enough to keep anything happy
[20:49] <Guest6157> Oh you think I should bring it down? Let me do that
[20:50] <Tonberry_> to me it looks like the large packets go missing, if the MTU is smaller then the server should only respond with packets that it thinks will fit the MTU
[20:52] <Guest6157> # Set the MTU [Maximum Transmit Unit] value to <n>. Unless the peer # requests a smaller value via MRU negotiation, pppd will request that # the kernel networking code send data packets of no more than n bytes # through the PPP network interface.
[20:53] <Guest6157> ifconfig still shows MTU 1492 on PPP0
[20:53] <Guest6157> I'm trying the connection
[20:59] <Guest6157> When I download 4542byte message the first return packet seen on ppp0 is seq no 4345:4563 (218 bytes) - I think it is the last packet for some reason as you said
[20:59] <Tonberry_> try running
[20:59] <Tonberry_> ip link set dev ppp0 mtu 500
[20:59] <Tonberry_> while the connection is active
[20:59] <Guest6157> Why would it be withholding those packets?
[21:00] <Tonberry_> and see if that makes any difference to the mtu/packets
[21:00] <Tonberry_> something has to be dropping them for some reason
[21:00] <Tonberry_> mmm
[21:01] <Guest6157> Yup I'll try but it's not like I'm seeing the packets and then they are getting chopped. I just never see them
[21:01] <Tonberry_> an interface somewhere that refuses to fragment packets?
[21:01] <Tonberry_> my theory is that with a low enough MTU there should never be any big packets sent to you
[21:02] <Tonberry_> also in the cases it does work the final packet is 242 bytes while in the not working cases it is 218
[21:03] <Tonberry_> so the packets that do not get through have to be bigger
[21:05] <Guest6157> 1st packet back from server still seq 4586:4804 (218 bytes)
[21:06] <Tonberry_> ok
[21:06] <Guest6157> I noticed that this packet acks seq 65 which is the last packet from the pc - so no missing packets
[21:07] <Tonberry_> ok try lower the MTU of the pc
[21:09] <Guest6157> OK that may bring up something - just before we do that I'm going to increase the snap len to catch the whole packet and dig in the contents to see if the 1st outgoing packet is different
[21:09] <Tonberry_> ok
[21:17] <Tonberry_> try allowing inbound icmp fragment packets in iptables
[21:22] <Guest6157> It is still the last packet that comes back (although trancated to 218 bytes as you say) but the data is the almost last words form the email
[21:23] <Guest6157> Good point on the icmp - let me see if those packets are coming back or going to the server)
[21:24] <Guest6157> I looked at the raw packet data and it has some differences but I cannot tell what - let me see if I can interpret with tcpdump
[21:25] <Tonberry_> you could try saving it to pcap and opening the capture with wireshark
[21:31] <Guest6157> Not familiar with wireshark (is it gui?)
[21:31] <Tonberry_> yes
[21:31] <Guest6157> But I have looked through using some tcpdump options to give ASCII printout
[21:31] <Guest6157> Can;t see anything useful in the outgoing packet
[21:31] <Tonberry_> you can use it to capture packets directly or view pre captured packets
[21:32] <Guest6157> I'll put it on slexy
[21:32] <Tonberry_> i suspect your ISP has a router somewhere that drops packets instead of fragmenting them
[21:33] <Guest6157> Yes but how would that explain the packets working fine when originating from the fw
[21:33] <Tonberry_> the ppp device has a slightly lower mtu than the ethernet device
[21:33] <Guest6157> From the network pov it is the same IP address
[21:33] <Tonberry_> so when the firewall directly negotiates the tcp connection it tells the server the MTU of the interface it is using
[21:33] <Guest6157> we dropped the mtu to 500 so there should be no fragementation
[21:34] <Tonberry_> when the pc does negotiates it tells the server its mtu is 1500
[21:34] <Tonberry_> an for some reason the usual fragmentation/mtu discovery is not picking this up and fixing it
[21:34] <Guest6157> Wait, we dropped the mtu of the ppp int - which means all internal packets will be fragmented
[21:35] <Tonberry_> thats my best guess
[21:35] <Guest6157> we should drop the mtu of the internal if
[21:35] <Tonberry_> that could work
[21:35] <Guest6157> and put the ppp back to max
[21:36] <Tonberry_> you could also try something like http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.mtu-mss.html
[21:54] <Guest6158> Hey Tonberry_ you still there - I think all the messing around dropped my login
[21:55] <Guest6158> I implemented the iptables hack but did not have an effect
[21:55] <Tonberry_> ah, any luck so far?
[21:56] <Guest6158> the MTU on the internal interface to 500 also didn;t work
[21:57] <Guest6158> if I send you the raw packets could you push them through wireshark and see if anything jumps out at you?
[21:57] <Tonberry_> i could have a look
[21:58] <Guest6158> Gonna need some pointers again - whats the best way?
[21:59] <Tonberry_> mmm, good question
[22:00] <Guest6158> you can text/whatsapp me your email on<PHONE_NUMBER>