 Is the Meizu MX5 Ubuntu touch compatible?
[20:26] <OerHeks> DosTuMai, yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:32] <GarettM> Is it be or porting this is kinda a bitch
[20:35] <OerHeks> GarettMcCarty, ask mariogrip, it is not that easy indeed
[20:36] <GarettMcCarty> I should probably learn more about android before i attempt again loll i thought it'd be as simple as grabbing the CyanogenMod source code and running lunch but i was painfully mistaken
[21:22] <GarettM> Is anyone else porting? Or trying loll
[21:49] <GarettM> Whoot kernel build failure for LG H811 :D progress people!
[22:15] <GarettM> Is ubuntu touch 32-bit?!
[22:15] <JanC> on the phones it is
[22:16] <GarettM> Thats lame
[22:16] <JanC> but it runs on 64-bit desktops too
[22:17] <JanC> well, the phones all have 32-bit SoCs, I think  :)
[22:17] <JanC> the officially supported ones
[22:18] <JanC> IIRC the M10 tablet has 64-bit kernel + 32-bit userspace (but I would have to look up to be sure)
[22:18] <GarettM> I dont think its the SoC i believe its the android base there using bro it doesnt have the 64-bit config files seen in the newer android versions or maybe i am wrong but thats why building for LG G4 is being difficult xD
[22:18] <GarettM> Thats what i am doing 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userspace
[22:19] <JanC> is the Android kernel for that LG 64-bit?
[22:21] <GarettM> Yeah everything is 64bit for the LG G4 i believe
[22:22] <JanC> on weekdays (especially European business hours) there will probably be more people around with porting experience
[22:23] <GarettM> I wish i could be on durring those hours but i gotta work Monday-Saturday
[22:24] <JanC> or maybe earlier in the evening (it's around midnight now)  ;)
[22:24] <GarettM> It is? Dang loll
[22:25] <JanC> not sure where you live
[22:28] <GarettM> Portland, OR, USA :P
[22:28] <JanC> it's about 00h30 here (CEST = continental Europe) and 23h30 in London now
[22:29] <GarettM> Well Gresham, OR USA
[22:29] <GarettM> Niceeee do you got ubuntu touch?
[22:29] <JanC> I have a bq Aquaris E4.5 phone
[22:29] <JanC> so yeah
[22:30] <GarettM> Nice is ubuntu touch okay for a daily driver yet? I understand i am giving up google maps, google music :'( hulu crunchyroll and netflix right?
[22:31] <JanC> well, you get uNav (based on OSM) or HERE maps instead
[22:31] <JanC> and Cloud Music
[22:32] <JanC> no Netflix though
[22:32] <JanC> AFAIK
[22:32] <willer> does whatapp work?
[22:32] <JanC> willer: not AFAIK
[22:32] <JanC> willer: maybe their website
[22:33] <JanC> (never used Whatsapp)
[22:33] <GarettM> What is whatsapp?
[22:33] <JanC> it has Telegram
[22:33] <GarettM> Ohh
[22:33] <helpzonline> hi
[22:34] <JanC> and about "daily driver", that really depends on your needs
[22:34] <helpzonline> can any one help me with linux touch installation
[22:34] <GarettM> I need to text and make phone calls occasionally open a private tab to watch porn bro
[22:35] <JanC> e.g. calendar app doesn't support iCal/CalDAV yet unfortunately, but I think that's being worked on
[22:35] <helpzonline> Linux touch???
[22:35] <JanC> texting & phone calls work fine  :)
[22:35] <GarettM> Okay awesome and helpzonline does your phone have a port?
[22:36] <helpzonline> port means???
[22:36] <helpzonline> model???
[22:36] <helpzonline> xperia z1
[22:38] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices says there is a non-official port
[22:38] <GarettM> Have you read the instructions on ubuntu touch devices?
[22:38] <helpzonline> yes
[22:38] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/minato
[22:38] <helpzonline> ya tried tht...
[22:39] <JanC> noit fully functional yet, it seems
[22:39] <JanC> not *
[22:39] <helpzonline> i hav ubuntu 16.04
[22:39] <helpzonline> oohh ok...
[22:39] <JanC> but someone is working on a port
[22:40] <JanC> most likely in their free time though...
[22:40] <helpzonline> i got a honami img suitable for experia z1
[22:40] <helpzonline> am not so familiar with ubuntu
[22:41] <helpzonline> i got the boot.img and ubuntu.img
[22:42] <helpzonline> for the phone
[22:42] <helpzonline> bit confused with the flashing process... from desktop ubuntu... 16.04
[22:43] <GarettM> I wouldn't advise you trying to put it on your phone if you dont know what your doing you could end up with a broken phone. But if you got the balls i believe you would just get the phablet-tools package and use phablet-flash community --device minato
[22:43] <helpzonline> hmmm
[22:43] <helpzonline> ok...
[22:44] <JanC> probably same advice I gave to GarettM: try asking during daytime in Europe on weekdays; more likely that somebody with more experience is around then  :)
[22:44] <helpzonline> i am not tring it my using phone...its a spare phone
[22:45] <GarettM> Then try it bro is fastboot available and the bootloader unlocked? I believe those are the other requirements
[22:45] <helpzonline> tried cynogenmod miui and want to try linux also please giv me some idea...
[22:46] <GarettM> Yeah just flash it then bro
[22:47] <helpzonline> ya its unlocked
[22:47] <helpzonline> fastboot i tied in windows
[22:47] <helpzonline> i mean tried
[22:47] <helpzonline> in linux is it different
[22:47] <jobot> Linux kernel is part of all of those isnt it?
[22:48] <GarettM> Dude i have no clue what your saying
[22:48] <helpzonline> hmmm
[22:48] <helpzonline> i am new to linux
[22:50] <helpzonline> i used command prompt to do the flashing in windows using sdk manager
[22:52] <helpzonline> the command was fastboot flash boot boot.img( the folder contained boot.img & fastboot.exe
[22:53] <helpzonline> can u help me with process in ubuntu
[22:53] <GarettM> That seems sketchy why not use phablet-flash?
[22:54] <helpzonline> phablet flash ok
[22:54] <JanC> see the documentation on the Ubuntu wiki/site
[22:54] <GarettM> In ubuntu fallow the porting guide all the way until mkdir phablet dont run that command stop there
[22:54] <helpzonline> ya read that...
[22:55] <GarettM> You need those packages
[22:55] <helpzonline> ok
[22:56] <GarettM> Then run phablet-flash community --device minato while your phone is in fastboot mode
[22:56] <helpzonline> ok
[22:59] <helpzonline> will the porting wok if am using cynogenmod 12.1 on the phone
[22:59] <helpzonline> i mean work
[23:01] <GarettM> The whole phone should be formated by that command
[23:03] <helpzonline> ok
[23:09] <GarettM> Any progress?
[23:10] <helpzonline> am looking into phablet-flash
[23:10] <GarettM> Okay
[23:11] <helpzonline> am new to this terminal in ubuntu
[23:11] <GarettM> It gives you the commands to enter in the porting guide xD
[23:11] <helpzonline> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install phablet-tools
[23:12] <helpzonline> is this the one
[23:12] <GarettM> Yes
[23:12] <helpzonline> this is the first step
[23:12] <helpzonline> ???
[23:13] <GarettM> Yeah to get the phablet-flash package thats all you need to flash it
[23:14] <helpzonline> ok thanks
[23:14] <helpzonline> Adding the Universe and Multiverse Repositories is it needed in 16.04
[23:15] <GarettM> Okay
[23:15] <GarettM> Again be careful i know nothing about this
[23:15] <helpzonline> ok
[23:15] <helpzonline> sorry
[23:16] <GarettM> It looks like the LG G4 T-Mobile will have ubuntu touch soon ;)
[23:17] <helpzonline> can i ask where ur from...
[23:17] <GarettM> Gresham, Oregon, United States of America
[23:18] <helpzonline> ok...
[23:19] <OerHeks> ohh, that is just 4,980 miles from Haarlem, netherlands
[23:20] <GarettM> Only 4,980 that isnt much
[23:20] <OerHeks> the other way 'round is al little more :-D
[23:20]  * OerHeks now keeps quiet and watches the porting
[23:20] <helpzonline> am from Kerala, India... and i dont know how much miles...:)
[23:21] <GarettM> Idk either bro
[23:21] <GarettM> Oerheks what you porting
[23:22] <OerHeks> that would be closer, 4849 miles .. i am not porting, watching you guys
[23:22] <GarettM> Oh i think i am the only one porting right know
[23:25] <helpzonline> i got this one right : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[23:25] <helpzonline> error came when tried: sudo apt-get update
[23:26] <helpzonline> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:27] <helpzonline> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[23:28] <helpzonline> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:28] <helpzonline> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[23:28] <helpzonline> some thing else needed to be done
[23:28] <OerHeks> run: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo apt-get update
[23:29] <helpzonline> ok
[23:29] <OerHeks> or do you have softwarecenter open too ?
[23:29] <helpzonline> ys i think... update is running
[23:29] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:29] <helpzonline> tht was the reason???
[23:30] <OerHeks> it happens sometimes, mostly for unknow reason.
[23:30] <OerHeks> could be softwarecenter open too, or updates pending..
[23:31] <helpzonline> i tried sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo apt-get update
[23:31] <helpzonline> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:31] <helpzonline> same error
[23:31] <GarettM> Reboot
[23:32] <helpzonline> ok...
[23:32] <OerHeks> you could try sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[23:33] <GarettM> Well rebooting would be his best bet without really screwing something up
[23:34] <OerHeks> that would be the windows method :-(
[23:34] <helpzonline> ok...:)
[23:34] <helpzonline> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file '/var/lib/apt/lists/lock'?
[23:35] <helpzonline> i already entered the command
[23:35] <OerHeks> yes
[23:35] <helpzonline> so
[23:35] <helpzonline> will it work now
[23:36] <OerHeks> if not, do this larger removal:  sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[23:36] <helpzonline> rm: cannot remove '/var/lib/apt/lists/lock': Permission denied
[23:36] <helpzonline> done
[23:37] <helpzonline> its worked...!!!
[23:37] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:38] <GarettM> Nice loll
[23:38] <helpzonline> am am getting an idea...thankx
[23:38] <helpzonline> now
[23:39] <OerHeks> there are tons of possible commands here, but the ones i showed are my experience with apt. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[23:39] <helpzonline> hmmm
[23:39] <OerHeks> it all depends on the exact error, you know
[23:40] <helpzonline> its downloading i think...now
[23:40] <helpzonline> ok
[23:42] <helpzonline> some error came at last
[23:43] <helpzonline> if reboot,,, is it possible to chat with u guys again???
[23:43] <GarettM> Yeah just join #ubuntu-touch on freenode again
[23:47] <helpzonline_> hi
[23:48] <helpzonline_> not rebooted yet ... I just tried it from my phone...
[23:49] <helpzonline_> so that I won't loose u guys
[23:49] <GarettM> Okay loll
[23:49] <helpzonline_> OK my bad
[23:51] <helpzonline_> for the time being can I ask you some thing about the Ubuntu.IMG and boot.IMG
[23:51] <helpzonline_> I downloaded for z1
[23:52] <helpzonline_> I mean I downloaded it for xperia z1
[23:52] <GarettM> I wouldn't use them id use the flash tool it will download and flash them for you
[23:52] <helpzonline_> should I copy it to SD card
[23:53] <helpzonline_> ok
[23:54] <GarettM> Boot into fastboot mode then run "phablet-flash community --device minato"
[23:54] <helpzonline_> and should I have to download a drive for z1
[23:55] <GarettM> A drive?
[23:55] <helpzonline_> in windows... I have to get a drive file ...
[23:55] <helpzonline_> for fastboot
[23:56] <GarettM> Dude your not using windows ... apt-get install android-tools-{fastboot,adb}
[23:56] <helpzonline_> OK...
[23:58] <GarettM> Lmfao xD i am retarded just stopped the build because i wanted to copy something and clicked ctl c xD
[23:58] <helpzonline_> ok
[23:59] <helpzonline_> I will try


[00:01] <Sabotender> huh. I have no idea. I am ust following a walk-through from google. since this adapter does not seem to work out of the box, it  is a RTL8811CU
[00:23] <Sabotender> i'''ll keep with my google search
[01:09] <Sabotender> should I just re flash this image and start over and try to upgrade the software version instead?
[01:12] <Sabotender> because I am never going to vie up, this adapter is supposed to work in ubuntu,
[01:13] <Sabotender> and I am able to tether my iphone for the intial internet connection to install and access required libs and utilities
[02:19] <jhutchins> Sabotender: What problems are you actually having with the build?  Is it or can it be set up for dkms?
[02:24] <fowl> how do I disable automatic login for lubuntu 22.04? I only found instructions for ubuntu shell(?) my user config panel doesnt have the option
[02:26] <arraybolt3> I think that's probably going to be in SDDM's configuration?
[02:26] <Sabotender> ducasse:  I am not sure. I am just trying to get this wireless adapter to work correctly but I can't even manage to compile a driver nor get the ones that apparently already exist to install or work
[02:27] <arraybolt3> fowl: Check /etc/sddm.conf.d/autologin.conf.
[02:28] <arraybolt3> fowl: Er, /etc/sddm.conf might have the setting, that's where it is on my system.
[02:30] <Sabotender> it's like I can't catch a break.  my next attempt is going to be  typing: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade and hope the driver is included in a new kernel, if I get one.
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Sabotender: ^ then ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' .
[02:33] <Sabotender> my adapter is a  RTL8811CU
[02:36] <jhutchins> Sabotender: It looks like an update might fix it - not sure if you said what Ubuntu version you were running, but the adapter is a few years old so it should be covered by a current install.
[02:38] <Sabotender> hmm looks like this image is using Ubuntu 22.04 version
[02:38] <Sabotender> but mind you , this is an ARM logic board
[02:38] <jhutchins> Sabotender: This is dated 2020, might help: https://tutorialforlinux.com/2020/09/24/step-by-step-realtek-rtl8811cu-driver-ubuntu-20-04-installation/
[02:38] <jhutchins> Sabotender: Ah, not all drivers get built for alternative architectures.
[02:41] <Sabotender> I saw that one, but it looks like he is more interested in pushing some sort of personal philosophy instead of giving you the correct information. What do they call it? clickbar?
[02:41] <jhutchins> Clickbait? Sorry.
[02:42] <jhutchins> !paste
[02:43] <jhutchins> Sabotender: If you want help, you're going to have to outline what you've done so far, what worked, what didn't, and how it failed.  You might use a pastebin, as that may get a little wordy.
[02:44] <jhutchins> Sabotender: Also, it's after hours on Sunday in the biggest audience area for this channel, you might try Monday during North American work hours.
[02:44] <jhutchins> Sabotender: Good luck!
[03:23] <realivanjx> im trying to remove update-notifier but it will also uninstall ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-minimal, etc. will this uninstall the entire gui?
[03:28] <realivanjx> or if anyone can provide a way to disable the annoying update popups
[05:53] <ravage> realivanjx: "sudo sed -i 's/^\([^#]\)/#\1/g' /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier"
[06:29] <rodybig> Is there a way to view the CPU utilization graph for a single core alone? I have 32 cores on my server and I don't want the graph to look cluttered. I also don't want to separately plot it every time by collecting stats and using a plotting tool so looking for an easy tool that can do it.
[07:41] <erlingmat> Hello, did the way cron sends email change between 18.04 and 20.04? After upgrading our base image our docker containers suddenly wont send emails.
[09:31] <alkisg1> Does netplan run the /etc/network/if-up.d/ scripts, like e.g. network-manager's dispatcher does?
[09:31] <alkisg1> (I mean, when netplan is using systemd-networkd as the backend)
[09:43] <alkisg1> No, but I guess one can create /etc/networkd-dispatcher/routable.d/01-ifupdown as needed...
[10:33] <zetheroo> Since upgrading to 22.04 my laptop (Thinkpad P14s) battery drains while plugged in! Any idea why this would be?
[10:34] <hiya> Maybe you have force-discharge enabled?
[10:34] <hiya> Did you install tlp?
[10:36] <zetheroo> hiya: 'force-discharge' - is that for resetting the battery? If so, no, I don't have that enabled ... and the drain isn't that fast - it's something like 5% over ~6 hours of use.
[10:36] <zetheroo> I don't think I have tlp installed ... can check
[10:37] <zetheroo> hiya: tlp is not installed
[10:38] <hiya> zetheroo: cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_behaviour
[10:39] <zetheroo> No such file or directory
[10:49] <Diagon> Installed 22.04, then nvidia driver on Thinkpad T530/ Optimus.  `prime-select query` returns nvidia.  Switching BIOS to "Discreet Graphics" and I get freeze on boot: "ACPI: vidao: Video Device [VID1] (multi-head: yes rom: yes post: no)` then `sdhci` and it freezes with fan cranking.
[10:51] <Diagon> Booting recovery produces same problem.
[12:26] <SteelRose> Diagon: what does: fwupdmgr get-updates  say ?
[12:28] <Diagon> SteelRose It's a new install, but ...  I'll switch the bios back and check.  Hold on ...
[12:33] <Diagon> SteelRose : First, it's running BIOS, so "Warning: UEFI firmware can not be updated in legacy BIOS mode"  Then it lists my HDD's (no available firmware updates) and finally it says, "No updatable devices"
[12:34] <SteelRose> Diagon: why do you use the legacy BIOS?
[12:35] <Diagon> This is an old machine; and, I prefer it.
[12:35] <Diagon> There was some other reason I vaguely remember, but I'm forgetting details.
[12:54] <rob0> BIOS vs. UEFI won't matter for Linux, but the bootloader is managed differently.
[12:59] <Sabotender> hi I am trying to get device drivers for the RTL8811CU for arm arch, . the ubuntu image has version  22.04 is there support for this wireless adapter? I checked around and it looks like it is,  but I am not able to compile the driver from the link that I tried
[13:14] <rob0> Sabotender: usually "compile the driver" is the wrong answer for Ubuntu.
[13:15] <rob0> Look up your device online, consult linuxwireless.net
[13:16] <rob0> seems like recently I looked one up similar to yours
[13:16] <rob0> (I don't have time today, $dayjob)
[13:18] <Sabotender> um, okay.
[13:18] <Sabotender> thx. I'll continue using google. thank you for the very welcomingresponse.
[13:21] <tuxick> lo, i'm wondering about 22.04 and needrestart and using ansible to run updates: i'm fine with ndconf{restart} = 'a' for services, but wouldn't want it to reboot
[13:35] <Sabotender> btw, I wasn't asking anyone to compile drivers for me, I have fingers. I was seeking some support  with the errors  I received when attempting to compile them myself, and/or whether or not the driver is already included within a different kernel or some other setting that I need to type to enable the wireless adapter dongle
[13:37] <Guest26> Hi. Is this main Ubuntu support forum?
[13:38] <zaggynl> hi, it's IRC, not a forum
[13:38] <Guest26> ok, but it has been moved around, this is the main support IRC now right?
[13:39] <Guest26> let me try to log in with my account
[13:39] <rob0> moved? Well, in 2021 May, yes, but not since then.
[13:39] <EriC^> yeah Guest26
[13:40] <rob0> If you had a freenode account it is gone.
[13:40] <rob0> Sabotender: a pastebin would help you show others what you are seeing.
[13:40] <Guest26> OK. It says this channel is logged. Is this the log: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/11/28/%23ubuntu.html
[13:41] <Guest26> Or is this the freenode
[13:41] <rob0> freenode is gone
[13:41] <Guest26> This doesnt seem the correct log
[13:43] <geirha> It does show recent conversations from this channel
[13:43] <Guest26> So yesterday's log is full?
[13:43] <Guest26> and correct
[13:46] <Sabotender> oh, my Odroid has no mouse, so I can't paste things directly from there, hmm
[13:47] <geirha> Guest26: Looks like it
[13:48] <tuxick> Sabotender: pastebinit or similar
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:17] <Sabotender> https://pastebin.com/YBQWsuh1
[14:21] <tuxick> look for mfloat-abi in the makefiles, i suppose
[14:40] <croraf> hi i updated nvidia drivers on ubuntu 20.04. now it wont boot. it is just blinking cursor after trying to boot latest linux kernel
[14:41] <croraf> 5.15.0-53 generic
[14:41] <croraf> I used nuveau, now i switched to nvidia 520
[14:43] <croraf> please help
[14:47] <deadrom> croraf google how to tell grub how to go to cli, roll back from a terminal
[14:47] <deadrom> ssh into the machien from externally if possible
[14:48] <croraf> how to roll back?
[14:48] <croraf> can i start machine wothout gpu drivers
[14:48] <croraf> then i can change it from the gui
[14:56] <deadrom> find the old package ( packages.ubuntu.com ) download, dpkg -i
[14:58] <MissedTheSpot> archpc you wanna play battlefield 4
[15:03] <RiverFish20> Hi friends of Linux =) , I am wondering, is there a way I can update my servers OS using an .onion service or the Tor network?
[15:05] <RiverFish20> I want to hide the update server I am using from my local ISP
[15:08] <tuxick> the joys of using nvidia drivers
[15:09] <deadrom> RiverFish20, well, you'd have to use TOR as an http proxy. not sure if that's possible anymore, once was. search the web.
[15:10] <deadrom> gtg
[15:13] <zetheroo> Since upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04 I've noticed a serious degradation of performance.  Even openeing google.com takes seconds to finish loading.
[15:15] <RiverFish20> What OS are u using
[15:15] <RiverFish20> Check your passive ram and cpu usage with only terminal open
[15:16] <RiverFish20> I have a very low powered OS and havent noticed any major preformance difference from 20.04 to 22.04
[15:17] <zetheroo> What do you mean by 'OS'? I said I am using 22.04 (Ubuntu obviously).
[15:18] <RiverFish20> wasnt obvious
[15:18] <RiverFish20> could be using Xubuntu for all I know
[15:18] <RiverFish20> thats why I asked
[15:18] <RiverFish20> Well, Personally I cant run stock Ubuntu
[15:18] <RiverFish20> I have to run Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[15:18] <RiverFish20> and they are working fine on my minimum spec laptop
[15:18] <RiverFish20> So, maybe its the desktop environment?
[15:19] <RiverFish20> Try Lubuntu and see if it works better for you
[15:19] <zetheroo> Ok, well unless otherwise stated ... it's Ubuntu here in this channel ;)
[15:19] <RiverFish20> ok
[15:19] <croraf> Is it possible to start ubuntu without gpu drivers
[15:19] <zetheroo> No thanks. We use Ubuntu as the workplace Linux distro.
[15:20] <RiverFish20> I mean, Ubuntu and Lubuntu are just different DEs, otherwise nearly the same
[15:21] <RiverFish20> Lubuntu is just lighter
[15:21] <RiverFish20> probably results in better preformance
[15:22] <jhutchins> RiverFish20: There's no difference in the OS between the various "flavors", they're just different GUI desktops implemented on top of the same base system.
[15:23] <zetheroo> Moving to a different DE isn't a solution - Ubuntu (GDE) is slow and I would like to find a solution to getting it to work faster. I'm well aware that there are more lightweight DEs out there.
[15:23] <jhutchins> RiverFish20: That said, the majority of users, and hence the majority of volunteers here, use the standard Gnome desktop.
[15:24] <tuxick> and those with more recent hardware use kde
[15:25]  * tuxick ducks
[15:25] <zetheroo> I really get the sense that Chrome's resource management (CPU/RAM) sucks in Ubuntu 22.04. Maybe it has something to do with the gfx drivers? Whatever it is, it's made work for me border on impossible.
[15:25] <jhutchins> zetheroo: xfce and lxde are good compromises between function and light weight.
[15:26] <jhutchins> zetheroo: If you think it's your browser, try a different one.  Chrome and Firefox are both pretty heavy.
[15:26] <tuxick> zetheroo: worse than firefox on 20?
[15:27] <zetheroo>  jhutchins: I have a fairly decent PC here. Thinkpad P14s i7 16GB RAM ... it should be just fine with Ubuntu :)
[15:28] <zetheroo> For work we use all Google services, and those are best-integrated with Chrome ... which is why Chrome is our officially-supported browser.
[15:28] <zetheroo> I haven't used FF in years. :/
[15:29] <zetheroo> I guess I could try Brave
[15:30] <jhutchins> zetheroo: You need some objective benchmarks on what parts of the system are running slow.
[15:31] <zetheroo> jhutchins: I know. I wish I could get some. :(
[15:31] <arraybolt3> zetheroo: Are you sure it's not something other than Chrome? I mean I use Chrome exclusively on all my systems and it runs just fine.
[15:31] <jhutchins> zetheroo: This is Linux, you have to make your own.
[15:31] <arraybolt3> tuxick: lol I'm on KDE over here :P
[15:32] <zetheroo>  arraybolt3: If I close Chrome, and all associated apps, my system is much more responsive ... instantly
[15:32] <jhutchins> zetheroo: Which version of Chrome, from what source?
[15:32] <arraybolt3> zetheroo: Can you look at System Monitor and see how much RAM and CPU power is in use? Also is this a spinning disk system or an SSD system?
[15:33] <jhutchins> zetheroo: Chrome uses the graphics subsystem fairly heavily.  What chipset do you have, and what drivers are you using?
[15:33] <zetheroo> Version 107.0.5304.121 (Official Build) (64-bit)
[15:34] <arraybolt3> I have over 35 tabs open here and have yet to break 16 GB on my 32 GB laptop.
[15:34] <zetheroo> I have Intel and Nvidia, but I am only using the Intel gfx
[15:35] <zetheroo>  arraybolt3: yeah, it's not the RAM, it's the CPU which seems to be spiking when opening new sites
[15:35] <arraybolt3> Hmm. Did you by any chance tweak some setting just before this happened? I mean I sometimes run Chromium (which is just the open-source Chrome) on ancient systems with a 2nd gen Celeron and 4 GB RAM and it works just fine there too.
[15:36] <arraybolt3> (This is all with various flavors of Ubuntu 22.04.)
[15:36] <zetheroo> I'm not using other flavors of Ubuntu though. I'm using the default GDE.
[15:37] <arraybolt3> I know but I mean the flavor of Ubuntu hasn't impacted my experience. I've used standard Ubuntu Desktop, as well as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu. Great experience on all four.
[15:37] <arraybolt3> Perhaps Wayland is causing trouble somehow?
[15:37] <arraybolt3> Try logging into Ubuntu using an X session and see if the problem goes away.
[15:37] <zetheroo> GPU: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation CometLake-U GT2 [UHD Graphics]
[15:38] <zetheroo> 2d:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP108GLM [Quadro P520]
[15:38] <Teridon> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 20.04 with autoinstall but curtin is crashing on my storage config.  Well, it seems to crash *after* it creates the partitions.   here's my storage config:  https://dpaste.org/qbz9T  and here's the failure message: https://dpaste.org/HoY9O
[15:38] <arraybolt3> (Because admittedly my Ubuntu Desktop system seemed to have more trouble than all the other systems - I attributed that to it being underpowered for my use case but maybe Wayland had something to do with it.)
[15:39] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Wayland is years away from any optimization projects.  They're still working on basic functionality.
[15:43] <zetheroo> arraybolt3: with Chrome closed my PC runs real smooth
[15:43] <arraybolt3> Right but you want it to run smooth with Chrome open, right? I'm trying to think of things to change other than closing Chrome.
[15:43] <zetheroo> I have two Brave windows open and about as many tabs as I had open in Chrome ...
[15:43] <zetheroo> Yes, but the question to me is, what is Chrome doing that Brave isn't ....
[15:43] <zetheroo> I'm going to sync my Chrome profile to Brave and see ...
[15:44] <jhutchins> zetheroo: A wild guess would say that you're running off of the Intel graphics, which are power optimized, rather than the Nvidia subsystem which is performance optimized.  The high CPU usage supports this theory.
[15:45] <arraybolt3> That's a good point. zetheroo, see if you can enable hardware accelerated graphics in Chrome. That might do the trick.
[15:45] <zetheroo> jhutchins: I would agree with that theory. Only question then is, why the drastic performance change with the upgrade to 22.04?
[15:45] <arraybolt3> (That should hopefully use the iGPU.)
[15:45] <arraybolt3> zetheroo: Perhaps a config setting got lost somewhere when you upgraded?
[15:45] <zetheroo> arraybolt3: it's already enabled
[15:46] <arraybolt3> Tar.
[15:46] <arraybolt3> Then really the only other significant thing I can think that changed was Wayland.
[15:46] <arraybolt3> When you're first logging into your user account, there's a gear in the lower-right corner you can click that will offer you an option called "Ubuntu on Xorg" or something similar. Use that when you log in and see if Chrome starts working good again.
[15:47] <zetheroo> arraybolt3: true - will try that on next boot
[16:08] <jhutchins> zeroes_: I didn't see you mention a change in performance before, just that you were dissatisfied with it.
[16:09] <jhutchins> zeroes_: Change in performance could easily be caused by a change in the default chipset, which could happen with an upgrade.
[16:17] <zetheroo> Ok, I'm back with some observations.
[16:17] <zetheroo> 1. Logging into Xorg instead of Wayland didn't bring any noticeable improvement. Actually the login took longer.
[16:17] <zetheroo> 2. Changing the Nvidia PRIME profile from 'Intel (Power Saving Mode)' to 'NVIDIA O-Demand' made a noticeable difference to Chrome/System performance - though now I notice the temps being a bit warmer, as would be expected.
[16:17] <zetheroo> 3. Changing the Nvidia PRIME profile from 'Intel (Power Saving Mode)' to 'NVIDIA O-Demand' seems to have changed the login settings to 'Ubuntu' and 'Ubuntu on Wayland', wheres before it was 'Ubuntu' and 'Ubuntu on Xorg' - or?
[16:23] <arraybolt3> That would make sense - NVIDIA uses X by default I believe.
[16:23] <arraybolt3> zetheroo: ^
[16:23] <zetheroo> Ah ok
[16:38] <rbancroft> is there some kind of chroot I can run from the install media to an installed system? I need to uninstall gnome-shell-extensions because it seems to be preventing my computer from booting
[16:39] <l0tuspsychj3> rbancroft: try entering recoverymode, purge from there?
[16:40] <rbancroft> l0tuspsychj3: ok thank you, I will try
[16:40] <l0tuspsychj3> rbancroft: once in recoverymode, enable networking and drop to a rootshell after
[16:50] <rbancroft> ok yes that works, I'm able to get in, thanks!
[17:25] <nasum> hello what exactly does the Performance setting in the top right do? it makes my cpu fan spin like no other distro
[17:25] <calamari> I'm attempting to connect to a corporate L2TP VPN using MATE 22.04 (clean install) and network-manager-l2tp-gnome. The L2TP connection establishes (and remains), but I cannot access anything on the VPN, even via IP. Pinging the VPN DNS servers (by IP) also doesn't work "Destination Host Unreachable". It works in Windows 10 so my account should be okay. Any ideas?
[17:30] <calamari> One thought I had is my home router is using 192.168.0.xxx and 192.168.1.xxx addresses, so perhaps there is some conflict. I'd like to try configuring NM to route 192.168.xxx.xxx through the VPN ppp0 device, although I don't know how to do so.
[17:43] <tomreyn> calamari: do a traceroute against the VPNs DNS servers, see where it goes. If there is an IP address / network conflict between your LAN and the VPN, why would this not also affect windows?
[17:44] <tomreyn> (I mean a routing conflict, not duplicate assignment of a single IP address to multiple devices.)
[17:45] <tomreyn> inspect the default routes configured (ip r) to tell whether there is any overlap
[17:45] <calamari> tomreyn: mtr says "(no route to host)". And good question re: my router and Windows, I don't know
[17:46] <calamari> tomreyn: There is, although ppp0 had a lower metric. I deleted the eth0 route any way and it didn't make a difference.
[17:46] <calamari> tomreyn: I just added a setting that should set a <IP_ADDRESS>/24 route with a lower metric for ppp0 than eth0. brb, going to try that
[17:50] <calamari> tomreyn: Partial success! After adding that route I can now ping the DNS servers. DNS isn't working yet, but I'm going to try adding search domains just in case that's it.
[17:51] <nasum> how does it work?
[17:52] <calamari> nasum: Was that for me?
[17:52] <nasum> what it do?
[17:52] <nasum> 17:25:26    nasum | hello what exactly does the Performance setting in the top right do? it makes my cpu fan spin like no other distro
[17:53] <calamari> nasum: Ahh sorry, I don't really know what you're referring to.
[17:53] <nasum> try it
[17:53] <nasum> top right drop down menu
[17:54] <calamari> nasum: I think you might be using a different desktop environment than I am. I'm running MATE.
[17:54] <tomreyn> calamari: so i guess this means you have the same networks remote and local, that's a bummer. see if you can segment those networks differently (maybe you just need <IP_ADDRESS>-255 at home but not for the work network)
[17:54] <nasum> calamari: im using ubuntu live ISO
[17:56] <tomreyn> nasum: i think the setting changes the CPU frequency scaling governor btween performance and powersave settings
[17:56] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/604720/setting-to-high-performance
[17:57] <tomreyn> (scroll down for 22.04 + screenshot)
[17:57] <nasum> tomreyn: does it increase/decrease frequency? or is there a multiplier like on zen2 ?
[17:59] <tomreyn> nasum: my limited understanding is that it changes how (easily, in which range) the frequency is automatically adjusted.
[18:01] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1406165/how-does-ubuntu-22-04-handle-power-modes - which is linked to from the above page, provides more info
[18:10] <tomreyn> nasum: here's a shorter explanation: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-profile.html
[18:19] <croraf> Hi, my laptop worked fine using Nuveau drivers, but after I switched to propriatery it wpnt boot (cursor blinking on black screen).
[18:19] <croraf> I switched it using the Software Update GUI app.
[18:19] <croraf> Ubuntu 20.04.
[18:19] <croraf> Please help
[18:24] <tomreyn> croraf: press escape on boot right *after* the screen telling you how to enter bios, this should bring up grub menu, where you can select Advanced and boot into recovery mode. From there, you can enable networking (assuming you have a wired internet connection) and drop to a root shell. from there, you can undo the installation you did.
[18:24] <croraf> i can enter grub advanced. I can go in recovery mode
[18:24] <croraf> it looks a bit strange
[18:25] <tomreyn> maybe because you have not looked at this before?
[18:25] <croraf> some visual artifacts. what to do from recovery screen I dont know (those options)
[18:25] <croraf> It had some visual artifacts
[18:25] <tomreyn> oh i see
[18:25] <tomreyn> i explained how to go on above
[18:26] <tomreyn> select "network", then select "root"
[18:27] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/tNq7I3mhmyT0.jpg
[18:28] <croraf> ok, it says enter for mainzainance ctrl+d to continue
[18:28] <tomreyn> that's because this menu is not entirely compatible with systemd, i guess
[18:29] <tomreyn> you can actually try to just press ctrl-d now, this should boot in VESA mode, the low resolution graphical fallback mode
[18:29] <tomreyn> it may be easier to undo what you did from there
[18:29] <croraf> ctrlD just returns to the recovery menu
[18:30] <tomreyn> select "resume" then
[18:30] <calamari> tomreyn: Got it! The search domain was the final key. I didn't understand what I was doing with them, but once I realized it was a suffix added to the domain name it all clicked. Thanks a lot for your help. For now I can either be on the VPN or I can connect to local servers, but not both. That's acceptable for my situation so I won't try to fix it.
[18:30] <croraf> it goes to boot which stucks again
[18:30] <croraf> tomreyn
[18:31] <tomreyn> croraf: okay, it was worth a try. then repeat these steps and where it suggests to press Ctrl-D just press enter and ping me again.
[18:32] <croraf> with enter i got into small terminal below
[18:33] <Teridon> answering my own question for the archives:  I mixed up EFI and BIOS stuff in my storage config; this is for a BIOS system.  Fixed storage config: https://dpaste.org/pKrHo
[18:33] <tomreyn> calamari: cool, glad it works. in most home routers you can actually change the ip address range. but that's something to be careful about, since it will also change the address hwere you can configure the router.
[18:33] <tomreyn> croraf: okay, how did you install the nvidia drivers? and which graphics card do you have exactly?
[18:34] <croraf> rtx 2080 mobile
[18:34] <croraf> I set it using Software Update (ubuntu aplication)
[18:34] <tomreyn> that's the answer to the second question, thanks, what about the first?
[18:34] <tomreyn> okay, got it
[18:35] <croraf> there it was Nuveau selected, which wokred
[18:35] <tomreyn> do you have internet access now? does    ping -c1 <IP_ADDRESS>   say something about timeouts?
[18:36] <croraf> like this https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+software+update+additional+drivers&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&prmd=nvi&sxsrf=ALiCzsbbjR-aOiJ2eYdGxPFswUbR8hII4A:1669660520384&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXz9mRwtH7AhWvgP0HHRIMDFoQ_AUoA3oECAEQAw&biw=393&bih=737&dpr=2.75#imgrc=uplNcmvgtdwo1M&imgdii=_nttumtvzuo3RM
[18:36] <croraf> network unreascable
[18:36] <tomreyn> so you have no wired network connection?
[18:37] <croraf> no
[18:37] <croraf> I use wlan
[18:37] <tomreyn> are you able to change that temporarily?
[18:37] <croraf> no unfortunately
[18:37] <croraf> But i have nuveau installed
[18:37] <croraf> I just switched it
[18:38] <croraf> can i not start without GPU drivers
[18:38] <croraf> and just switch back
[18:38] <tomreyn> you can try switching back now using   ubuntu-drivers
[18:38] <tomreyn> that's a command
[18:40] <tomreyn> what does    ubuntu-driver list    say?
[18:40] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/w6mu37BxbU78.jpg
[18:41] <tomreyn> with "list" please
[18:41] <croraf> I did
[18:41] <croraf> moment
[18:41] <tomreyn> not on this screenshot
[18:42] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/oZP3h0ZITdxy.jpg
[18:43] <croraf> this looks like the drivers i selected
[18:43] <croraf> but i dont see Nuveau name
[18:44] <croraf> it was the last one in that app, but here 520 is not first
[18:45] <tomreyn> hmm maybe if you   ubuntu-drivers list --free-only    it will list nouveau?
[18:45] <croraf> no
[18:45] <croraf> tried
[18:45] <croraf> perhap nuveau is one of those
[18:45] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether the CLI actually has support for removing the proprietary driver.
[18:45] <tomreyn> no, nouveau wont be one of those
[18:45] <croraf> but nuveau was mentioned in description
[18:46] <tomreyn> what you can do is to purge all nvidia packages
[18:46] <tomreyn> nouveau was not mentioned on your screenshot, i think?
[18:46] <croraf> it was not
[18:47] <croraf> In that gui application
[18:47] <croraf> it was mentioned
[18:47] <tomreyn> right
[18:47] <tomreyn> i don#t think the ubuntu-drivers command line interface (CLI) provides the option to switch back to the free driver, though
[18:47] <croraf> ok i founs sometjin
[18:47] <croraf> i tried ubuntu-drovers devices
[18:48] <croraf> this lists nuveau
[18:48] <tomreyn> what you can instead do is to purge all *nvidia* packages.
[18:48] <granrojo> hello beautiful people
[18:48] <tomreyn> hi granrojo
[18:49] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/3QvH4eNXxHIw.jpg
[18:49] <croraf> you think i should purge now?
[18:50] <tomreyn> croraf: you can try to   ubuntu-drivers install     the last one listed on your screenshot
[18:50] <tomreyn> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[18:51] <tomreyn> i do not know whether this will work, though
[18:51] <tomreyn> if it doesn't you can   sudo apt purge *nvidia*
[18:51] <tomreyn> if it doesn't you can   sudo apt purge *nvidia* --autoremove
[18:52] <croraf> for nuveau it said no drivers for installation
[18:52] <granrojo> what the /dev/loop mean when I run df -h ???
[18:52] <croraf> i purged
[18:52] <granrojo> https://imgur.com/a/9sqInmS
[18:52] <tomreyn> croraf: type     sync    and     reboot
[18:53] <croraf> sync outputted nothing
[18:53] <croraf> i did not --autoremive
[18:54] <tomreyn> you can do so later
[18:54] <croraf> it booted
[18:54] <tomreyn> granrojo: https://askubuntu.com/questions/906581/what-is-dev-loopx
[18:54] <croraf> thanks a lot
[18:54] <tomreyn> croraf: you have graphical output again?
[18:54] <croraf> yes
[18:55] <tomreyn> croraf: you can retry this with a different proprietary driver series. not every driver series will work well with every graphics card, as you have seen. more info coming up...
[18:55] <tomreyn> !nvidia | croraf
[18:55] <granrojo> tomreyn: thanks! I saw that explanation but i dont understand it
[18:56] <granrojo> tomreyn: I plugged a usb key before taht now I can't do anything with it, it shows on the dekstop but I cant mount it
[18:57] <tomreyn> granrojo: the simple answer: in your case, all of these "loop" devices are there because of snaps you have installed. does this answer your question, sufficiently?
[18:57] <granrojo> tomreyn: snap packages??
[18:57] <tomreyn> granrojo: the usb key will be unrelated to these loop devices
[18:57] <tomreyn> !snap | granrojo
[18:58] <granrojo> tomreyn: ubottu: Well I deisable snaps packages with systmctl I dont have any anp pacakges installed
[18:58] <tomreyn> ubuntu supports two types of software packages out of the box now. apt + dpkg for .deb packages, and snap for .snap packages.
[18:59] <tomreyn> granrojo: your screenshot states otherwise
[18:59] <granrojo> tomreyn: mmhhh ok, let me check the current status
[19:00] <tomreyn> the    snap list    command lists installed snaps
[19:03] <granrojo> tomreyn: and why snap creates more devices when I ru the df command?
[19:07] <tomreyn> granrojo: snap does not create devices as a result of you running 'df'. they were probably already present before you did.
[19:08] <granrojo> tomreyn: yes i know the devices are not creted when i run df, but why snap created devices?
[19:09] <tomreyn> because snaps are managed using loop devices.
[19:09] <tomreyn> if you will read up more on snaps you will get a better understanding on it
[19:10] <tomreyn> if you have a question about how to get a certain task done or about something not working as expected, please provide more details.
[19:11] <croraf58> tomreyn great news nvidia-driver-515 seems to work good
[19:12] <croraf58> nvidia-driver-520-open was crashing
[19:12] <croraf58> I just need to update to latest kernel now to see if it is still working
[19:12] <tomreyn> i'm not surprised, nvidia is still elarning about this thing called "open source"
[19:12] <croraf58> I now got 520 propriatery in the list,   520-open propriater was crashing, but now i have this one without -open
[19:13] <tomreyn> glad you found a solution that works for you.
[19:13] <croraf58> You think if I now install 520 after 515 I'll be able to switch to 515 in the recovery mode?
[19:14] <tomreyn> switching between different nvidia-* drivers will require either locally cached packages or internet access for downloading them.
[19:15] <croraf58> ok, I'll take a risk with 520 (no -open)
[19:15] <tomreyn> you can always purge again as we did
[19:15] <tomreyn> which should bring you back to nouveau
[19:15] <croraf58> yes, thanks a lot. You are a saviour!
[19:16] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:17] <croraf43> I'm a web developer, hopefully now with the best drivers, I'll be able to exploit all the WebGL features :)
[19:18] <granrojo> tomreyn: ok thanks!
[19:20] <tomreyn> you, too, are welcome
[19:49] <granrojo> tomreyn: This is the status ad what the command list snap returns https://imgur.com/qnYX9Xn
[20:13] <granrojo> any ideas why the system is detecting my usb on dekstop (it shows the ion with its size) but I can't mount it
[20:13] <EriC^^_> granrojo: try 'dmesg -w' in the terminal it might show info
[20:22] <granrojo> EriC^^_: I get this https://dpaste.com/67AKKDNPC
[20:23] <granrojo> and then the command keeps runing, I dont cant have acces to the terminal until i kill the process
[20:23] <granrojo> with ctrl C
[20:24] <EriC^^_> granrojo: what does 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt' give?
[20:25] <granrojo> EriC^^_: FUSE exfat 1.3.0
[20:25] <granrojo> ERROR: unknown entry type 0xd5.
[20:26] <granrojo> its a brand new usb key if thats good as extra info
[20:27] <hrob> o/
[20:27] <hrob> I have my home and root mounted here  /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root  915G   85G  785G  10% /
[20:28] <EriC^^_> granrojo: maybe try to reformat it?
[20:28] <hrob> im wanting to use extundelete to recover a file... however Im a little iffy if I can safely remount this volume as read only
[20:29] <EriC^^_> granrojo: try sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfatprogs
[20:30] <EriC^^_> then try mounting again, if that doesnt work maybe reformat with 'sudo mkfs.exfat /dev/sdb1'
[20:31] <EriC^^_> granrojo: make sure the usb is /dev/sdb it should show up in 'sudo parted -ls' output with its name there
[20:31] <granrojo> EriC^^_: sounds like a plan but I dont think I see the defice when I run df -h, have a look https://imgur.com/a/CTMyXvc
[20:31] <rrr> how might I provide internet to vnet7 for my kvm bridge?
[20:32] <hrob> does ubuntu behave well if I remount the root partition as ro?
[20:33] <hrob> or is there a way I can put ubuntu in ro mode quickly using some ubuntu utils systemd?
[20:34] <EriC^^_> hrob: alt+prntscrn+u ?
[20:34] <EriC^^_> !sysrq | hrob
[20:34] <EriC^^_> maybe 's' then 'u' and dont press 'b' to reboot
[20:35] <EriC^^_> granrojo: not sure what you mean about difference
[20:35] <granrojo> EriC^^_:  ?
[20:35] <EriC^^_> granrojo: did you run the apt install command?
[20:36] <hrob> ok was wondering if I could keep my desktop environment/session without rebooting.
[20:36] <EriC^^_> oh, you meant 'device' read it difference somehow
[20:36] <EriC^^_> granrojo: it should be in 'sudo parted -ls'
[20:37] <granrojo> EriC^^_: ah sorry a typo, the device i meant to say. So sdb1 is my usb key?
[20:37] <EriC^^_> granrojo: i think so, type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' to paste the output and share the termbin link here
[20:38] <EriC^^_> to be sure about the name
[20:38] <arraybolt3> sdb1 would be a partition on a device, sdb would be the device itself. Whether sdb is the USB key or not remains to be determined it looks like.
[20:40] <granrojo> EriC^^_: it says sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com
[20:40] <granrojo> nc: missing port number
[20:40] <EriC^^_> add 9999 to the end
[20:43] <granrojo> EriC^^_: it gives me https://termbin.com/6xus
[20:44] <EriC^^_> granrojo: try "sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfatprogs"
[20:46] <granrojo> EriC^^_: Package exfatprogs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[20:46] <EriC^^_> granrojo: which ubuntu version are you using?'
[20:48] <granrojo> EriC^^_: Ubuntu 20.4.5
[20:48] <EriC^^_> !info exfat-utils focal
[20:48] <EriC^^_> granrojo: try "sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils"
[20:50] <granrojo> EriC^^_: exfat-fuse is already the newest version (1.3.0-1).
[20:51] <EriC^^_> granrojo: ok, try 'sudo mkfs.exfat /dev/sdb1'
[20:53] <granrojo> EriC^^_: cool that worked, but how did you know my pendrive was sdb1 when it was showing with the df command?
[20:56] <EriC^^_> granrojo: i didn't, it was in the output of sudo parted -ls
[20:57] <granrojo> EriC^^_: ahh what does the command do?
[20:58] <EriC^^_> granrojo: it lists the disks and partitions
[21:00] <granrojo> EriC^^_: alright nice. Thanks a lot for all your help
[21:01] <EriC^^_> granrojo: no problem
[21:09] <Aetat> #linux.no
[21:09] <Aetat> sorry
[21:09] <sarnold> #linux.yes
[21:13] <Ellipsis753> Hi. Gotten into a bit of a pickle. Have just Windows on the boot drive. But booting gives me a grub command line prompt now. I've booted into a live CD. How can I repair grub when I don't have a linux system on the same harddrive?
[21:14] <morgan-u2> comment on the GUI: 22.04. I really miss that "clicking on the chrome in the dock" would change the focus to the windows, round-robin.
[21:15] <ceno0___2> jj
[21:16] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' paste the link it gives you here
[21:16] <morgan-u2> yesterday I asked: 22.04, ubuntu crashed to a blackscreen. whee can I look to find out what happened? -- some logs somewhere??
[21:17] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: I have this if it's useful. http://sprunge.us/LPu9kJ (From boot repair). Will try get that other paste now.
[21:18] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: ok, that'll do
[21:19] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: type 'sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0007'
[21:19] <morgan-u2> may I asked what podcast app to use. (I am listening on a webpage and it doesnt give me a "fast shourt back-a-bit" button.)
[21:19] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: https://termbin.com/2zw7g
[21:20] <kostkon> morgan-u2, 'journalctl -S yesterday' would be a good start
[21:22] <morgan-u2> kostkon, I have no idea what to do with all of that.
[21:24] <kostkon> morgan-u2, well, you asked for logs, that's a good place to start. give 'journalctl --help' for more information
[21:25] <morgan-u2> kostkon, OK. how come I cant use > to put the listing into a file? it just hangs with no prompt.
[21:25] <EriC^^_> morgan-u2: it looks like vlc does podcast stuff
[21:25] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: Done. Do you need the output?
[21:25] <morgan-u2> EriC^^_, nice.
[21:25] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: I don't understand where grub _is_ if I don't have linux?
[21:25] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: no, type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:26] <morgan-u2> thanks kostkon I will continue on this question, later.
[21:26] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: grub right now is in the efi partition, and it's set in the motherboard to boot that grub file
[21:26] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: here's the relevant info Boot0007* ubuntu	HD(1,GPT,c938c32e-9c84-4df8-b0ce-1d04e7db43ca,0x800,0x32000)/File(\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi)
[21:26] <kostkon> morgan-u2, as you wish
[21:26] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: we want the boot order to be 0006 first so windows efi file is booted
[21:27] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: https://termbin.com/267w
[21:28] <EriC^^_> looks good Ellipsis753 , try rebooting
[21:28] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: Will try. Thank you.
[21:28] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: no problem
[21:29] <morgan-u2> EriC^^_, re podcast. I installed cpod (from snap) but when I click it nothing happens.
[21:29] <EriC^^_> morgan-u2: maybe try launching it from the terminal in case it gives any output
[21:31] <Ellipsis753> EriC^^_: Fixed. Thank you!
[21:31] <EriC^^_> Ellipsis753: great, no problem!
[21:35] <morgan-u2> EriC^^_, vlc=fail. I will take this subject up later. (plus vlc does not showw an x-seconds-back button... (also I will search on using vlc for podcasts before I ask again. TY)
[21:36] <EriC^^_> morgan-u2: ok, np
[22:13] <Sabotender> how do I install these apparent missing kernel headers for the specific version which I am using?
[22:14] <Jeremy31> in terminal>  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-headers linux-headers-generic
[22:23] <Sabotender> linux headers has no installation candidate. I thought  I did this earlier today.
[22:24] <Sabotender> telling me that I should exxplicitly select one to install.
[22:27] <Sabotender> okay i'll figure it out now that I know what to google. thanks for the info
[22:27] <Bashing-om> Sabotender: Then that begs to question of where you got the kernel that you are working with :(
[22:29] <Jeremy31> Just do the sudo apt install --reinstall linux-headers-generic
[22:29] <Sabotender> im ust randomally following step by sstep walk-throughs so I can get this wireless adapter working
[22:29] <Jeremy31> What wifi adapter?
[22:30] <Sabotender> erm, let me see
[22:32] <Jeremy31> Ah, you might need to do>  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[22:32] <Jeremy31> For some reason it doesn't have a meta package
[22:33] <Sabotender> rtlX2BU [AC1200]
[22:34] <Jeremy31> Using source code from github for rtl88x2bu?
[22:34] <Sabotender> yes
[22:34] <Sabotender> because i'm desperate
[22:35] <Jeremy31> Did you install package dkms
[22:39] <Sabotender> yes
[22:44] <Sabotender> E: unable to locate package linuxx headers-5.4.191--401
[22:45] <Sabotender> maybe I used incorrect syntax
[22:46] <gneeriiloeepdeer> can anyone suggest an easy way to keep mono/stereo mode when repeating a track or specific tracks? now if I repeat a track, it defaults to mono left. Ideally, this parameter would remain stable and only change when I click the icon
[22:46] <Jeremy31> Sabotender: Just one x>  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[22:46] <gneeriiloeepdeer> using vlc
[22:56] <FNAShinobi> Anyone using audiobookshelf as an ebook reader?
[22:57] <Sabotender> that produces a syntax error
[22:58] <Jeremy31> Sabotender: Are you using copy/paste or trying to type it in?
[22:59] <Sabotender> not sure if I need tob e typing all those dollar signs.
[22:59] <Sabotender> trying to type it in
[23:00] <Sabotender> thats mmy only option for this odroid
[23:04] <Jeremy31> sudo apt install --reinstall linux-headers-generic-$(uname -r)
[23:04] <Jeremy31> it only has one dollar sign
[23:12] <FNAShinobi> how can I save my clipboard to an file? Is there a shortcut?
[23:13] <Sabotender> E: unable to locate package linux-headers-generic-5.4.191-401
[23:16] <Jeremy31> Sabotender: Post result from terminal for>  uname -a
[23:18] <Jeremy31> That can't be an Ubuntu kernel
[23:22] <sarnold> FNAShinobi: there's a handful of tools like this that might do the trick: https://tools.suckless.org/x/sselp/  -- it's not the easiest thing to find, these words are all pretty common :(
[23:22] <sarnold> FNAShinobi: your desktop environment may have a 'clipboard manager' that offers something similar that might be easier to use
[23:27] <Sabotender> what the heck??!
[23:27] <Sabotender> I did dist update and I got android. now I need to start over
[23:29] <Sabotender> oh hang on, linux odroid I misread linuxx droid?
[23:30] <Sabotender> i ddon't know what I have. it was supposed to be ubuntu.. I dont think theres an upgrade for my installed version
[23:31] <sarnold> Sabotender: heh yeah a quick bit of googling and I came to the conlcusion that you probably had an odroid install there..
[23:31] <Sabotender> now I need to start over
[23:32] <Sabotender> I am using an odroid. did I use the incorrect operator for uname?
[23:33] <sarnold> are you sure ubuntu runs on the odroid? I know next to nothing about them
[23:35] <Teridon> ubuntu autoinstall question with cloud-init ssh_keys.  During autoinstall, I see that /etc/ssh/ has the keys I specified in my user-data file.  But after install finishes and reboots, it has new keys.  I do have "ssh_deletekeys: false" in the top level of the user-data.  It's also generating a dsa key, despite the specified "ssh_genkeytypes"   https://dpaste.org/q1dPA
[23:36] <sarnold> Teridon: if you don't get much help here, try also #ubuntu-server -- there's more cloud-init users in there
[23:37] <Teridon> ty!
[23:41] <Sabotender> yes I am certain : https://wiki.odroid.com/getting_started/os_installation_guide#operating_systems_we_re_providing
[23:41] <Sabotender> ubuntu mate is offered
[23:42] <RaimondRaj> this is my new vps - i try to upgrdae and run its show like this ( /home/server/unrealircd/bin/unrealircd: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1         .1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory )
[23:42] <Sabotender> it prob went byebye when I did dist-upgrade or whatever
[23:42] <Sabotender> i'll start over and skip the upgrade step
[23:45] <sarnold> RaimondRaj: rebuild the server against the new openssl version 3 perhaps?
[23:45] <RaimondRaj> i created irc server on that
[23:46] <RaimondRaj> rebuide the
[23:46] <RaimondRaj> once update ( do-release-upgrade  )
[23:46] <Sabotender> this is like the sixth time I am restarting like this with reflashing various SD cards
[23:46] <RaimondRaj> this goes wrong
[23:47] <RaimondRaj> https://dpaste.com/2F4UVTFMH
[23:47] <RaimondRaj> see this
[23:47] <AutonomousSociet> Am trying to get past iPad Activation Lock, anyone wanna help?
[23:47] <AutonomousSociet> I forgot the information for it
[23:49] <Sabotender> would be nice if this adapter worked right out of the box
[23:49] <sarnold> RaimondRaj: it looks like you forgot to rebuild your irc server after downloading all the source packages for it
[23:50] <sarnold> s/for it/for rebuilding it/
[23:50] <RaimondRaj> sarnold : i do it all - once update jammy InRelease - it sfai to start my server
[23:50] <RaimondRaj> yersterday nite its working well
[23:52] <sarnold> RaimondRaj: your ircd was compiled on an older version of ubuntu that used an older version of openssl. that version no longer exists in newer versions of ubuntu. you must rebuild your application *from source* to use the newer version of openssl.
[23:53] <sarnold> RaimondRaj: hopefully the unreal folks have already made the necessary changes and you only need to grab a new version and rebuild it. if they have not already made the necessary changes, this may be helpful https://www.openssl.org/docs/man3.0/man7/migration_guide.html
[23:59] <Sabotender> hmm it still reports linux odroid


[00:30] <christian_> Hi...what will be the difference in the new notification system as 8.10?
[00:32] <christian_> I tried to install the prerelease but it didnt even boot
[00:32] <christian_> :\
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I don't think will see a big difference from the users view. Most of it is behind the scenes.
[00:34] <christian_> hm...i heared there was some rumour because of this and many users wanted the old one back...
[00:36] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: hey to test i need to install daily image?
[00:37] <charlie-tca> yes, either on hardware or in a virtual machine
[00:37] <Kangarooo> couse i have already daily image from 10 april .. i installed that one and working on it now..
[00:37] <christian_> im very new to the ubuntu thing so im stupid...is there a way to completly encrypt the aprtitions?
[00:37] <charlie-tca> You need to test today's images. Too much has changed since 10 april.
[00:37] <Kangarooo> ou.. :( i dont want reinstall..
[00:37] <charlie-tca> !daily
[00:38] <charlie-tca> christian_: yes, you can do an encrypted installation, using the entire disk
[00:38] <christian_> is it point and click or shell-wizard magic?
[00:39] <zoredache> christian_: it is pretty easy to setup
[00:39] <charlie-tca> It is using the alternate installation cd, so it is command line, but there are nice graphics to help you
[00:40] <zoredache> you just need to choose the correct item off a menu and let it do its work for you...  If you want a complex configuration things can get difficult
[00:40] <christian_> ah
[00:40] <Kangarooo> ok 3h to download
[00:40] <Kangarooo> ill learn to backup fast data :)
[00:41] <christian_> when i install the current prerelease does it upgrade itself when the final version gets out?
[00:41] <Kangarooo> ouh and can i use ext4 on partial drive? 1st is wind..
[00:41] <charlie-tca> yes, christian_
[00:41] <christian_> :D
[00:41] <zoredache> having good backups is strongly reccomended... if you loose your passphrase you are sol...
[00:41] <Kangarooo> imean partition?
[00:41] <charlie-tca> You just run the updates
[00:41] <charlie-tca> I don't think I would use ext4, Kangarooo
[00:41] <christian_> what would be the preferred filesystem for encryption?
[00:41] <charlie-tca> It does still have some issues.
[00:42] <Kangarooo> passphrases? what pass[rases?
[00:42] <charlie-tca> christian_: ext3 also
[00:42] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: the passphrases are for encrypted drives.
[00:43] <Kangarooo> i have ext4 on ubuntu 9.04 old computer and pretty good.. but other laptop is with needed files so if ext4 can make BIGbadBoom hen i wont :)
[00:43] <christian_> so everything gets encrypted besides /boot, right?
[00:43] <zoredache> christian_: yes
[00:43] <christian_> nice
[00:44] <zoredache> christian_: unless you make things different on purpose
[00:44] <Kangarooo> maybe u can tell whats best backup way? or programm?
[00:44] <christian_> so prepare for new world order on my machine ;)
[00:44] <christian_> at least a little less paranoia
[00:45] <Kangarooo> and will it also save all programms? or names of installed programms from synaptic? so with one click i cann install all them again?
[00:45] <zoredache> it seems like they would simply install a hardware based keylogger, and wait for you to reboot...
[00:45] <christian_> is there also a daily build for [X]ubuntu?
[00:45] <Kangarooo> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:46] <christian_> cool...
[00:46] <charlie-tca> !daily
[00:46] <christian_> oh...a nice bit to play...
[00:46] <charlie-tca> you need the /dail/ if you are going to encrypt
[00:46] <Kangarooo> with wat to backup my xubuntu files and folders? and programms?
[00:46] <charlie-tca>  /daily/
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I have recommended back up solutions.
[00:47] <charlie-tca> I have *no*
[00:47] <christian_> some of you said i need the alternate install but there is only the desktop version :\
[00:47] <zoredache> shouldn't that be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:48] <zoredache> ubottu: you need to learn how to be more context sensitive... when you are in #xubuntu you should talk about ubuntu
[00:48] <zoredache> err, xubuntu rather
[00:48] <christian_> hehe
[00:49] <christian_> is there also a hardened kernel in ubuntu-land....like the one in gentoo perhaps?
[00:49] <charlie-tca> crap, yes
[00:49] <zoredache> Kangarooo: I like rsync, dirvish, partimage, dd, or tar depending on the specific needs of the backup
[00:49] <charlie-tca> It used to, too
[00:49] <Kangarooo> i dont wanna mees with firefox and pidgin files.. and i want all programms to be in place..
[00:50] <christian_> do you mean me, charlie?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> yes, christian_ . Please use the xubuntu daily image
[00:52] <Kangarooo> zoredache: whitch saves all destop and music folders? and also saves all programms? or saves names of programms and on getting it back it installs them back?
[00:52] <christian_> oki....thank you for your kind help
[00:52] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: might be a bad idea, you may wind up reinstalling all your programs if you reinstall
[00:53] <christian_> uh...one question left...is there even a smaller desktop system of ubuntu?
[00:53] <zoredache> christian_: you could try and use flux, or lxde
[00:53] <Kangarooo> im downloading daily Desktop.. its ok? or for tests is needed alternate?
[00:54] <charlie-tca> christian_: I think xubuntu is the smallest one out, with a GUI. There is the server image, which doesn't have a GUI.
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Tests are needed for both, Kangarooo
[00:54] <Kangarooo> ok :)
[00:54] <christian_> i know...but im searching for a slick desktop version
[00:54] <zoredache> Kangarooo: to get a backup of what packages you have install with apt you can use 'sudo dpkg --get-selections > package_selections'
[00:54] <christian_> so far xubuntu is fine for me, but who knows better...
[00:57] <Kangarooo> ouh so if i havent installed with synaptic then i wont see? so i wont get backup for packeges with .debdownloads and command line installs?
[00:57] <zoredache> Kangarooo: anyway it sounds like you need to make a backup of /etc, /home, and /var/lib/dpkg.  What device/media do you have available to backup too?
[00:57] <zoredache> Kangarooo: yes, that will get synaptic add/remove programs stuff as well...
[00:57] <Kangarooo> i have another partition - window.. but safer would be to other pc witch has ubuntu 9.04
[00:58] <n2diy> what's the trick to playing dvds? I've installed the VLC player, installed libdvdread, and ran the script, but still no joy?
[00:59] <Kangarooo> zoredache: and will i also get with that command stuff installed with .deb and with command line?
[00:59] <zoredache> Kangarooo: it should... you could run the command to get the selections and look... Just open the file in a text editor
[00:59] <Kangarooo> i mean will that command show stuff with has been intalled with command line
[01:00] <zoredache> Kangarooo: the best way to know is simply to try it and check
[01:00] <Kangarooo> i did that command but it didnt do anything
[01:01] <Kangarooo> sudo dpkg --get-selections > package_selections
[01:02] <zoredache> it created a file named package_selections
[01:02] <zoredache> open it
[01:04] <christian_> do you know the name of the hardened kernel? I dont find infos...
[01:05] <Kangarooo> ah in /usrname folder :) yes there are many and even witch i haven intalled but are needed.. i some easy way to get only what ive been checking in add remove and  sysanptic?
[01:08] <zoredache> Kangarooo: I that information may exist, but I am not sure how to get too it easily
[01:08] <Kangarooo> yes it shows all witch has been installed from apt-get and syanptic and add remove and .deb files but that files contains too much info.. i would like 4 example only thouse who ive installet - so without dependent pacakges.. and best way would be with dates?.. full calendar type info
[01:09] <Kangarooo> ok so sadly this is little too much time taking file when ill try to find witch i have installed and witch i need..
[01:09] <Kangarooo> aah maybe i just can pop that file in system? to read and install.. ?
[01:09] <charlie-tca> Should be the same kernel
[01:09] <christian_> uh...i found it: sudo aptitude install selinux ....there we go
[01:10] <charlie-tca> I never have installed selinus, myself.
[01:10] <zoredache> well if you simply open that file you should be able to pretty easily remove all the stuff you don't recognize
[01:10] <christian_> but i dont know, if this is 'just' the nsa patches....even dont know if i should trust nsa :\
[01:11] <zoredache> christian_: the sourse is available... if you are paranoid you can look through the source, and you can even rebuild the packages from scratch
[01:11] <christian_> or i should go to the doctor ...with my paranoia
[01:13] <christian_> well i hope the crowd is better than mine....so i give it a try in a feew minutes
[01:14] <christian_> then i need tor-router...
[01:17] <christian_> vpn because of my wep-encrypted-wlan...
[01:17] <christian_> what else do i need to be as secure as possible?
[01:18] <zoredache> you need a faraday cage
[01:18] <christian_> ah...yes...because of mind-reading issues, right?
[01:19] <christian_> hehe
[01:19] <zoredache> best to have one that is for your entire computer room, a second around your computer, and a third around your head....  It is the only way to be sure
[01:19] <christian_> lol
[01:20] <christian_> and then they got me because of a key logger
[01:21] <zoredache> well see that is the trick.  You have to basically soldier all your peripherals like your keyboard and mouse directly to the motherboard...   That way they can't quickly just insert a device inline
[01:21] <christian_> then im accused by Paris Hilton because I downloaded and watched her naked poppin...
[01:21] <zoredache> of course they might just choose to torture you
[01:22] <christian_> I already have an orange dress for that purposes
[01:23] <christian_> whats with that trusted computing platform?
[01:23] <christian_> the peripherals there are not secured as far as i know
[01:24] <christian_> should be an additional chip i heared
[01:25] <christian_> ok its ot
[01:25] <christian_> uh...download finished...bye
[02:21] <d3ads0ul> anyone around that can help me with my video card?
[02:21] <J_Litewski> d3ads0ul, what card do you have?
[02:21] <d3ads0ul> nvidia riva tnt2 64
[02:22] <J_Litewski> eth...
[02:23] <J_Litewski> that's an old card
[02:23] <J_Litewski> lets see
[02:23] <d3ads0ul> yeah
[02:24] <d3ads0ul> i was hoping it would be good enough to handle youtube full screen
[02:24] <d3ads0ul> the onboard couldnt
[02:25] <d3ads0ul> its an old 1100 celeron, 512mb ram
[02:27] <J_Litewski> geeze
[02:27] <J_Litewski> i'm not sure how to help you man, i tend to stay away from the TNT series cards
[02:28] <d3ads0ul> thanks for trying.  i guess ill wait until i get my other computer working
[02:50] <slashdotfx> can I use the linux-image-server for desktop use?
[02:50] <slashdotfx> I had 4GB ram, while generic can't detect them all
[02:55] <thismamacooks200> 3D was working great. But suddenly games run less that 1 fps. but, glxgears runs at 205+ fps. I have an Intel card.
[03:34] <J_Litewski> how do i change permissions of a folder?
[03:35] <thismamacooks200> J_Litewski: the chmod command
[03:35] <J_Litewski> ok, example?
[03:35] <thismamacooks200> sudo chmod 777 folder
[03:36] <J_Litewski> ok
[03:36] <J_Litewski> ty mamacook
[03:36] <thismamacooks200> give complete access to everyone to that folder
[03:36] <J_Litewski> kk
[03:36] <thismamacooks200> sudo chmod 777 -R folder <- also the files inside
[03:37] <J_Litewski> kk
[03:37] <J_Litewski> i just added i folder in / called svn and i want the GUI to be able to add stuff to it
[03:40] <J_Litewski> gha
[03:41] <J_Litewski> i found a file on a svn server and i can't connect to it
[03:43] <J_Litewski> thismamacooks200, are you any good with svn commands?
[03:44] <thismamacooks200> I know it stands for subversion, that's about it. I am totally dependant on someone making a tar.gz package of sourcecode for me
[03:45] <J_Litewski> ah lol
[03:45] <J_Litewski> i'm trying to get a injection speed patch for my wireless dongle
[03:46] <J_Litewski> and i found it on the DD-WRT svn
[03:46] <J_Litewski> and i can't connect to it
[03:46] <J_Litewski> and it's kinda bumming me out
[04:01] <J_Litewski> How do I apply patches?
[04:40] <zoredache> J_Litewski: get the source for the software that you are patch, then use the 'patch' command to apply the patch.  The exact details depend on the patch
[04:41] <zoredache> it usually something like doing patch -p1 < filename.patch while in the root directory of the package
[04:51] <PudgeyPimp> Hello all!
[04:51] <PudgeyPimp> I have an odd Xubuntu Issue
[04:52] <PudgeyPimp> I'm running Xubuntu 8.10 , on P3 700 MHZ, 256 MB ram IBM T20 laptop
[04:52] <PudgeyPimp> Whenever I run synaptics package manager to update my system it will run for a few mintues fine and then the whole system freezes completely.
[04:53] <PudgeyPimp> The same will happen when I use the command prompt to update instead.
[04:53] <PudgeyPimp> Which made me think maybe It's an issue with the Swap, so I changed the swappiness to 10 and it will run and update and not freeze.
[04:54] <PudgeyPimp> But instead of freezing after a few minutes, my ethernet connection will die which doesn't work until I unplug it and log out of my session and then plug it back in.
[04:54] <PudgeyPimp> The ethernet is a Netgear USB Ethernet adapter thing.
[04:54] <PudgeyPimp> What's the deal?
[04:56] <PudgeyPimp> I'm thinking it's either a driver issue for a piece of hardware for my laptop, or it's possesed by the devil... But it's definately one of the two I'm thinkin'
[05:00] <PudgeyPimp> please calm down people, I can only adress one person at a time.
[05:00] <PudgeyPimp> Address**
[05:09]  * zoredache shrugs (I only use apt-get from the cli)
[05:11] <Mood> PudgeyPimp: try a wired line connection to take usb stick out of the equation
[05:20] <PudgeyPimp> I would, but the ethernet port is broken
[05:20] <PudgeyPimp> So i'm forced to use this horrible USB adapter until I decide this laptop is worth spending anything on and getting a wireless pcmcia card
[05:21] <PudgeyPimp> Zoredache - even if i use apt-get from terminal it will give issues
[05:21] <zoredache> really?
[05:21] <PudgeyPimp> Yes, It's got me very puzzled
[05:22] <PudgeyPimp> I can get updates to work for literally a few moments and then hard freeze which ctrl-alt-F4, Backspace, etc. won't get me out of.
[05:23] <PudgeyPimp> I'm blowing out the install right now, and trying over but I'm 94.6% it's still going to be an issue
[05:23] <PudgeyPimp> It did this with ubuntu so I thought maybe I need to use xubuntu instead to use less memory... guess what, still same issue.
[05:24] <PudgeyPimp> I've cried over this once already I'm ashamed to say...
[05:24] <PudgeyPimp> (joke..)
[05:29] <n2diy> xubuntu comes with firefox, is there another browser I could use, with an integrated mail app, other than evolution? Or, should I just install Thunderbird?
[05:31] <zoredache> thunderbird is installed by default usually..
[05:31] <zoredache> there are several other browsers and email clients you can install
[05:32] <n2diy> zoredache: ok, hadn't checked yet, so firefox/thunderbird is as light weight as I can hope to get?
[05:33] <zoredache> no, you didn't ask for lightweight...   for light weight...  firefox is not light....  But it is going to support the web the best
[05:37] <zoredache> I generally only use webmail so I don't have much to reccomend when it comes to email clients...
[05:39] <n2diy> zoredache: ok, tnx. I think opera might play with email, have to go check.
[05:56] <Hetor> hey
[06:31] <zoredache> ubottu, don't leave us
[07:46] <xerxes> does xubuntu use a hardened kernel?
[08:33] <roccity_> is there a way to boot into text mode? in slackware you can edit /etc/inittab but cant see that in xubuntu
[09:30] <SiDi> hello world
[09:31] <SiDi> i'm having a problem with xfce's session saving feature :p
[09:31] <SiDi> i once checked the box of the quit dialog in order to save my session, and now this session is loaded each time i boot up (but i ofc unchecked the checkbox in the quit dialog))
[09:42] <BSE> yeah, same here :D
[09:42] <BSE> I had to save "clean" session
[09:42] <BSE> as I really not appreciated double XChat and double Pidgin
[09:46] <BSE> so its not much a feature :)
[09:47] <SiDi> BSE: how to "clean" it ?
[09:47] <SiDi> where's the file to rm -rf ?
[09:48] <BSE> SiDi: manualy closed everything and than "saved session"
[09:48] <BSE> I am noob, so I used most straightforward option :D
[09:49] <SiDi> BSE: ew :( that means i have to clean my processes :p
[09:49] <SiDi> thanks anyways ;p
[09:50] <BSE> hmm, as I think about it... heh... yeah
[09:51] <BSE> I didn't cleaned the processes :[
[09:51] <BSE> and I wonder why there is such a mess :o
[10:00] <BSE> SiDi: well, I looked on my processes, and nope, nothing messed because of that, so just kill apps you run yourself
[10:01] <SiDi> thanks BSE :)
[10:01]  * SiDi crosses fingerhe wont forget a lisp routine, or something similar :p
[10:06]  * SiDi just moved his /tmp to tmpfs and fucked up his PC. *rebooting*
[10:06] <SiDi> f***d up  :x
[10:11] <SiDi> It works \o/
[10:12] <BSE> i was surprised by number of sharing daemons :D I should clean it probably, but first I have to understand why there is so many of them :o
[10:12] <SiDi> What do you mean ?
[10:13] <BSE> i have 8 nfsd processes running
[10:13] <BSE> 2 smbd
[10:13] <SiDi> I seriously wanna know where is the file that stores those autostart sessions and wipe it :/
[10:15] <BSE> is there something in ~/.config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc ?
[10:16] <SiDi> Nothing, apparently :)
[10:16] <SiDi> I need to go
[10:16] <SiDi> see you everyone
[10:16] <BSE> see ya
[13:19] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all i have a dumb question
[13:20] <DiecastMessiah> in my updater there is a fakeroot thing.. but wouldn't that allow virus easier access??
[13:23] <BigMoopies> any idea when Jaunty will be on ShipIt ?
[13:30] <DiecastMessiah> so should i worry about this fakeroot package the updater wants to install?
[13:31] <PROject-Emerald> Are there major differences between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu? Or purely GUI?
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> just the x- desktop and yeah its up to you
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> X is faster but a little harder to use..
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> in terms of menus and things.. you have to do thing more manually
[13:33] <DiecastMessiah> Ubuntu uses Gnome as defaul and Kubuntu is the KDE
[13:34] <DiecastMessiah> but if you have a older computer or want the fastest you can get Xubuntu is the best course
[13:35] <DiecastMessiah> damn he leave and i kept talking for no reason LOL
[14:01] <rgl> hi
[14:03] <rgl> will xfce 4.6.1 be in xubuntu 9.04?
[14:13] <Hetor> rgl: yes
[14:13] <Hetor> or no
[14:14] <rgl> huh?
[14:14] <rgl> its too late to include it?
[14:14] <Hetor> don't know, not a dev
[14:15] <Hetor> but you can always upgrade Xfce to 4.6.1 :)
[14:15] <rgl> from the backports repo?
[14:16] <Hetor> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci/ppa/ubuntu hardy main
[14:16] <Hetor> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 0E23917F5D9DCE6C
[14:16] <Hetor> gpg --export --armor 0E23917F5D9DCE6C | sudo apt-key add -
[14:16] <Hetor> and you can install new Xfce
[14:19] <rgl> sweet. thx :)
[14:20] <Hetor> np
[14:21] <lorenzosu> !it
[14:21] <Hetor> oh, if you are running Interpid, replace hardy with interpid
[14:31] <J_Litewski> finally!
[14:31] <charlie-tca> rough day?
[14:31] <J_Litewski> rough connect :/
[14:31] <J_Litewski> i had to do /join #xubuntu three times
[14:32] <J_Litewski> lol
[14:32] <J_Litewski> anyways, charlie-tca, do you know how to apply patches?
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I try not to.
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I have to have someone walk me through them.
[14:32] <J_Litewski> ah
[14:32] <J_Litewski> crud
[14:33] <J_Litewski> i have a bunch of patches for my rtl8187 driver i want patched so i can get a semi-decent signal with it
[14:34]  * J_Litewski googles
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Should be a ReadMe / text file that tells how to do it with the patch
[14:35] <J_Litewski> nope
[14:35] <J_Litewski> there would be if aircrack-ng.net was up
[14:36] <J_Litewski> but, since the server overdid it it with traffic this month, i'm flying blind
[15:18] <Ruadh_> Hi all
[15:27] <nineteenfingers> my apologies for posting OT, but this is a big deal and needs the attention of anyone who uses the internet in Europe - see details here http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79002 and contact your MEP as a matter of urgency NOW - it'll be too late tonight. Spread the word to as many people as you can please.
[15:35] <cody-somerville> oh wow
[15:35] <cody-somerville> thats scary :(
[15:38] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville - just a bit eh? hence me risking a Kline by posting it OT in 4 channels - i hate spam generally - but when you consider it could make the difference between being able to access these very IRC channels or not it's a biggie
[15:53] <SiDi> nineteenfingers: aware of that
[15:53] <SiDi> the problem is that this **** kinda comes from the deputees of my so democratic country
[15:54] <nineteenfingers> SiDi - know the feeling - my lot are pushing pretty hard for this kind of thing too
[15:56] <SiDi> well, ive been following the debates at the french AN about the "anti-piracy" law
[15:56] <SiDi> its really awful
[15:57] <SiDi> they dont understand what they do, but they're about to leave an organisation that is not regulated by judiciary authorities choose how networks should be watch, which kind of networks should be watch
[15:57] <SiDi> and who will condemn persons on the basis of accusations coming from private companies
[15:58] <SiDi> and no proof is needed. you'll have to *buy* a government spyware in order to proof you're innocent.
[16:01] <ablomen> (and it wont run on linux)
[16:01] <SiDi> (and no linux/unix user would ever accept this to run on their pc, actually)
[16:02] <SiDi> (i'm doing politics, we've got enough with the cops harrassing/aggressing us, the media (that almost all belong to the main party) and government's diffamation and propaganda, we dont need to also have generalised spywares all over the country. this has nothing to do with piracy, they're after us, as usual)
[16:03] <Slonkie> heh
[16:04] <ablomen> imho, its mostly just the lack of knowledge people in power have over anything internet related
[16:06]  * ablomen points to the whole pirate bay judging, which is just plain wrong, not because my opinion about filesharing, but about the fact that torrents contain no copyrighted material
[16:06] <ablomen> and the same lack of knowledge is the main reason of 90% of the debates in dutch parlement about internet related stuff, including censorship etc
[16:08] <SiDi> yeh
[16:08] <SiDi> they condemned them for doing something legal (even if not legitimate or honnest)
[16:10] <ablomen> yep, and every other search site does the same thing, even in that reasoning you can sue my company for linking to google maps, which links to google, which links to torrent files...
[16:14] <SuperJediWombat> The media buttons (including volume) do not work on my laptop with a clean 9.04rc install. Any ideas on what I can try?
[16:14] <mackk431> what is different on xubuntu in comparison with ubuntu or kubuntu?
[16:14] <SuperJediWombat> Xubuntu uses xfce, ubuntu gnome, kubuntu kde.
[16:15] <mackk431> ty
[16:15] <genii> mackk431: xfce,gnome,and kde are all desktop environments. xfce is the lightest resource-wise of the three making it good for lower end machines
[16:15] <SuperJediWombat> Desktop enviroments, xfce is similar to Gnome only its supposed to be faster
[16:16] <SuperJediWombat> The media buttons (including volume) do not work on my laptop with a clean 9.04rc install. Any ideas on what I can try?
[16:18] <Slonkie> Try making the shortcuts in keyboard settings
[16:25] <Slonkie> so you'll have to add "aumix -v-10" for down volume and "aumix -v+10" for up volume
[16:25] <SuperJediWombat> Slonkie: Thank you!
[16:26] <SuperJediWombat> any idea what the "command" for mute is?
[16:27] <SuperJediWombat> Quotes should be around "mute"
[16:27] <Slonkie> aumix -v0
[16:29] <SuperJediWombat> You're on a roll.
[16:30] <Slonkie> (just checkin' the shortcuts for my own keyboard :D)
[16:33] <SuperJediWombat> I use ubuntu on my main PC, trying xubuntu on my laptop.
[16:34] <SuperJediWombat> Seems a fair bit faster so far.
[16:36] <kromar> hi, if i upgrade to 9.04 beta to test it, is it possible to revert to 8.10?
[16:36] <Ruadh> re
[16:36] <charlie-tca> kromar: not easily.
[16:37] <kromar> ok...
[16:37] <kromar> i read that some amd driver wont work, is that the one for the gpu?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> If you are planning to upgrade to 9.04 anyway, it won't matter, though. We are testing the final image now
[16:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know which driver that is.
[16:37] <kromar> it will be released on the 23?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Yes
[16:38] <Slonkie> I'm experiencing quite an slow start up with xubuntu 9.04 atm. it's the part where it's loading the panels that's slow
[16:38] <Slonkie> Is there anything to do to fasten this up a lil' ?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: are you up to date?
[16:38] <Slonkie> yes
[16:39] <Slonkie> Just checked for new updates, there's none
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: should be fixed shortly after the release, maybe
[16:40] <Slonkie> all right cool
[16:41] <charlie-tca> We will be upgrading xfce to 4.6.1, that should fix it
[16:42] <SuperJediWombat> Whats the easiest way to access a samba share from my xubuntu 9.04 laptop?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> use gigolo
[16:43] <SuperJediWombat> Thanks, looking into it now.
[16:43] <BooVeMan_work> mount -t cifs -o "username=,password="  //serverip/share /mnt
[16:44] <rgl> charlie-tca, are you an xubuntu contributor?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> SuperJediWombat: I think it is Applications -> System -> Remote filesystems
[16:44] <charlie-tca> rgl: yes
[16:45] <SuperJediWombat> BooVeMan_work: thats what I have been using previously, I was hoping for something easier.
[16:46] <BooVeMan_work> SuperJediWombat: to me thats fairly easy :-D
[16:46] <SuperJediWombat> On my main PC i just have it in fstab, but on the laptop it causes slowdowns on startup because the wifi isn't enabled.
[16:47] <SuperJediWombat> By easy I mean fast.
[16:47] <rgl> charlie-tca, nice :)
[16:47] <SuperJediWombat> As in, click a button on the pannel and have it mount.
[16:47] <rgl> charlie-tca, xfce 4.6.1 will make it to xubuntu 9.04
[16:48] <charlie-tca> It will not make the release date, but will be an upgrade after the fact
[16:51] <rgl> I see. its fine :)
[16:52] <rgl> charlie-tca,  Hetor said one could use http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci ppa archive to try 4.6.1.  is that the recomended repo to use?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is
[16:53] <rgl> ok thanks :)
[17:06] <SuperJediWombat> Would it be possible to put a launcher on the pannel to mount my samba share, without prompting for my pass?
[17:07] <BooVeMan_work> I reckon - create a line in fstaba with reference to a creditials file
[17:08] <BooVeMan_work> SuperJediWombat: like: //<IP_ADDRESS>/Temporal /fs_temporal cifs user,iocharset=utf8,uid=1000,gid=100,auto,rw,user,credentials=/etc/fstab_smb_credentials 0 0
[17:08] <SuperJediWombat> If I have an entry in fstab, can it mount without needing sudo?
[17:09] <BooVeMan_work> yes
[17:09] <BooVeMan_work> if the mountpoint is accessible tp the user
[17:09] <SuperJediWombat> Great. Thanks.
[17:10] <SuperJediWombat> "noauto" to not auto mount on boot?
[17:10] <BooVeMan_work> content of the credentials file: two lines one username= - two password=
[17:10] <BooVeMan_work> yes
[17:11] <SuperJediWombat> Got it, thanks for the help.
[17:35] <deadlyallance127> i want to make a dvd that has psubuntu and some files on it i have the iso and the files and a blank dvd can this be done ?
[17:36] <CppIsWeird> deadlyallance127, open the iso up in an some program able to edit iso's. stick your files in some directory on in the iso, burn the iso.
[17:37] <deadlyallance127> cpplsweird what programs can edit isos?
[17:38] <CppIsWeird> google
[17:38] <deadlyallance127> nevermind google is my friend
[17:38] <CppIsWeird> im not trying to be a dick, ive never done it on linux.
[17:40] <deadlyallance127> i know i found one in google 5 secends after i asked
[17:40] <zoredache> about the only way I know how to do it is to extract the contents and then rebuild the iso with mkisofs at the cli... but mkisofs needs lots of cli options and I don't know what you would need
[17:46] <CppIsWeird> I've got a backup of one of my laptops and i don't know what i used to back it up, the directory structure looks like this: disk, parts, sda1.ntfs-img, sda2.ntfs-img. sda3.ntfs-img, sda-chs.sf, sda-mbr, sda-pt.parted, sda-pt.sf
[17:52] <basajaun> anybody expert at printing
[17:53] <basajaun> ?
[17:53] <BooVeMan_work> !linuxprinting
[17:53] <BooVeMan_work> !cups
[17:53] <BooVeMan_work> HTH
[17:54] <basajaun> Ok let me precise I need to print 4 post card format on a single sheet can't find any printing options for that
[17:55] <BooVeMan_work> gimp -> stick an rotate the four -> print as one?
[17:56] <BooVeMan_work> sorry - no printing expert
[17:57] <basajaun>  thanks BooVeMan_work
[17:57] <basajaun> *
[18:17] <theuser1>  which is faster and better. rdp vnc or rmi ?
[18:18] <zoredache> faster and better for what?
[18:21] <theuser1> zoredache:  remot connection ofcourse
[19:45] <kromar> whats the difference between GNOME and KDE services that can be enabled in "Session and Startup"?
[19:46] <ramrod> hi guys i need a little advice
[19:46] <Slonkie> !hi | ramrod
[19:46] <ramrod> i installed xubuntu on the laptop of my father and there are two things which take a lot of memory
[19:47] <ramrod> i made a screenshot
[19:47] <ramrod> http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/b9u5st9o/Bildschirmfoto.png
[19:47] <ramrod> the top 2
[19:47] <ramrod> on my pc theres is only one of this commands listet and it takes only 1,2mb memory
[19:48] <ramrod> can someone tell me what command this is?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> If he only has one Thunar window open, delete one.
[20:26] <ramrod> damn i timed out
[21:27] <xerxes> uh...at least Ive got xubuntu 9.04 installed...im deeply satisfied
[21:52] <xerxes> rezising a xterm window in xubuntu 9.04 is sloooow and uses all processor resources...any idea why?
[21:54] <xerxes> !ubottu: xterm in xubuntu 9.04 is very slow
[21:55] <BooVeMan_work> you expect to much from poor ubottu
[21:55] <BooVeMan_work> !xterm
[21:56] <BooVeMan_work> ubottu left for lunch....
[21:57] <cody-somerville> xerxes, do you have compositing enabled?
[21:57] <BooVeMan_work> !xterm
[21:58] <likemindead> If I've installed Xubuntu 9.04 Beta (which I'm loving), I don't need to do a fresh install April 23rd, do I? Updates will get me the same thing, right?
[21:59] <zoredache> no, you might need to do a update if there are any new packages between now and then
[21:59] <likemindead> Yeah, there've been a bunch of updates every day. I make sure I install them ASAP. Thanks.
[22:01] <likemindead> Tilda, FTW.
[22:03] <BooVeMan_work> what may be the reason that my wireless device worked all right until someone recommended to uninstall & purge gdm. so now I have my device showing up and I even see the signal quality with iwlist and I can enable the device and ping myself but I cannot ping anything else.
[22:03] <ramrod> im using still xterm D:
[22:08] <xerxes> what is compositing, sommerville
[22:09] <xerxes> somerville
[22:09] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: someting like 3D effects in your desktop
[22:10] <xerxes> I dont think so
[22:10] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: what uses the CPU xterm or X11 ?
[22:11] <xerxes> I think xterm...mom
[22:13] <xerxes> Well, the process-meter doesnt list x11 or xterm at high peak...only the cpu-meter is full
[22:13] <xerxes> wait i try top
[22:13] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: be aware that 9.04 is still a RC so errors may exist
[22:14] <ramrod> may i drop in my little question again
[22:14] <xerxes> yeah...but xterm is so usual these days
[22:15] <ramrod> i installed xubuntu 8.10 on a laptop and there are 2 processes running which take a lot of memory
[22:15] <ramrod> http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/b9u5st9o/Bildschirmfoto.png
[22:15] <ramrod> on the top of the list
[22:15] <xerxes> ah...its the xorg-server
[22:15] <xerxes> it simply eats my ppower
[22:15] <ramrod> on my desktop pc i have only one  of this running and it takes only 1,5mb
[22:15] <BooVeMan_work> ramrod: there is only one process usning memory and that is X11 - which is pervfectly fine
[22:16] <ramrod> i thougt because they have both different PIDs
[22:16] <BooVeMan_work> ramrod: x11 -> 12.1% is fine
[22:16] <ramrod> man im dumb
[22:16] <ramrod> %
[22:16] <ramrod> not MB
[22:16] <ramrod> thanks alot
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> ramrod: welome
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: have you all updates applied?
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> what may be the reason that my wireless device worked all right until someone recommended to uninstall & purge gdm. so now I have my device showing up and I even see the signal quality with iwlist and I can enable the device and ping myself but I cannot ping anything else.
[22:18] <xerxes> yes, BooVeMan
[22:18] <xerxes> it is the same with the open nvidia driver and with the propiretary one
[22:20] <xerxes> hmm...i now feel its all window resizing...not only xterm, but there i feel it at most
[22:21] <xerxes> moving is alright
[22:24] <xerxes> 8.10 was fine in this respekt
[22:24] <xerxes> respect
[22:24] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: sorry I'm out of ideas
[22:24] <xerxes> yeah me too
[22:25] <xerxes> i have my installation encrypted..perhaps that causes the lag
[22:25] <MTec007> is it possible to upgrade to 9.04 without losing any files or settings
[22:25] <FelineMonstrosit> Hi, how do I take a screenshot in Xubuntu?
[22:26] <MTec007> i use import
[22:27] <FelineMonstrosit> I take it print screen doesn't work..
[22:27] <MTec007> ive never tried
[22:27] <rgl> hello
[22:28] <xerxes> Feline, do you have the right keymap for your keyboard?
[22:28] <MTec007> if you do 'sleep 3; import -frame NewScreenshot.png'   gives you time to hide terminal and it will let you draw a box around what you want to take a screenshot of and save it to a file automatically
[22:29] <ramrod> i just use the plugin for the paner
[22:29] <ramrod> panel
[22:29] <FelineMonstrosit> so I have to type all of that into terminal every time I want to take a screenshot?
[22:30] <FelineMonstrosit> what's the plugin called? how do I install it?
[22:30] <MTec007> no you can use the plugin as ramrod said
[22:30] <ramrod> screenshooter plugin
[22:30] <ramrod> and it should be installed per default
[22:30] <ramrod> rightclick on your panel "add new item"
[22:30] <FelineMonstrosit> ok thanks
[22:32] <MTec007> (could also make an alias to the command i said)..
[22:35] <xunewb> does anyone know what drivers I would need to look for if installing xubuntu 8.10 onto hp g60 123cl?
[22:37] <xerxes> what should i prefer : selinux or Apparmor?
[22:38] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: DRIVERS???? you are a Windows user?
[22:38] <xunewb> yes
[22:38] <xunewb> trying not to be
[22:39] <xunewb> I want to be sure that xbuntu will work before i install. Im tired of the spamware and viruses
[22:39] <FelineMonstrosit> My second panel, which is on the left, keeps stopping autohiding. This is the second time this has happened, it just won't go away. I've tried going to the panel settings and switching the autohide on and off but it doesn't work. the only thing that stops it is restarting. this is really annoying, has anyone had the same problem? does anyone know how to solve this?
[22:39] <BooVeMan_work> try the live CD
[22:40] <xunewb> Im getting it now, but I know from exp. that linux distros of all sorts do not work well out of box on a windows based pc
[22:40] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: when did you try that - like 10 yeasrs ago?
[22:41] <xunewb> no, like a few months ago
[22:41] <xunewb> ive been through puppy linux, ubuntu, ubuntu se, kubuntu and a few others. the only one so far that works out of box is backtrack 3, wich i think is funny
[22:42] <xunewb> and useful
[22:42] <xunewb> seriously though, beyond the newb bashing does anyone know anything constructive about this?
[22:42] <BooVeMan_work> so what are you referring to with "not work well" - devices nor recognized? or Laptop extra buttons not working
[22:43] <xunewb> all of those issues actually
[22:43] <xunewb> with ubuntu se everything seemed good except that when i tried to initiate the drviers for my gfx card my comp wouldnt boot
[22:44] <xunewb> just a black screen, so i wiped it. now im on xp but there are NO drivers, or at least nothing worth having windows
[22:45] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: that is the problem with propritary (closed source) drivers
[22:45] <xunewb> I know
[22:45] <xunewb> and lots of other nasties that I also loathe
[22:45] <BooVeMan_work> If it worked with the default dirver why did you tried to change to the nvidia driver in the first place? gamer?
[22:46] <xunewb> becuz it wouldnt let me moved my resolution above 800xwhatever
[22:46] <xunewb> I can push 1280x700 or better
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> now that may happen if the monitor isn't recognized correctly I have the nvidia driver runnign at 1200 x 1600
[22:47] <xunewb> how did you get the driver to work?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> sorry th nv (open source) driver
[22:47] <xunewb> where did you get it?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> thats included
[22:47] <xunewb> in xubuntu?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> its the default for nvidia cards
[22:47] <xunewb> or se?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> in X11
[22:48] <xunewb> dude im way behind
[22:48] <BooVeMan_work> ubottu: get some coffee please
[22:48] <xunewb> but my disc is burner is shot now becuz i have no driver. is there a way I can mount and install on another partition from inside windows?
[22:49] <xunewb> mount the iso i mean
[22:49] <BooVeMan_work> deamon tools I think
[22:49] <BooVeMan_work> *daemon
[22:50] <xunewb> ok so let me get this rite... daemon tools>>install to patition. thats it basicly rite?
[22:50] <xunewb> right*
[22:50] <xunewb> sorry i cant spell sometimes
[22:50] <BooVeMan_work> yes - xubuntu install even allows you to resize partitions to make space
[22:51] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: same here - head faster than fingers
[22:51] <xunewb> sweet. so i can create a new one just from live disc?
[22:51] <BooVeMan_work> a new installation - yes I think so - never done it though - may need to finish it up with the net repositories
[22:52] <xunewb> well so i guess the next q is where can i get x11 at? xubuntu.com is only advertising 8.10
[22:52] <BooVeMan_work> x11 ist the graphical engine included in all modern linux distros
[22:52] <BooVeMan_work> !X11
[22:52] <xunewb> ahh
[22:52] <xunewb> wow, i AM a newb
[22:53] <xunewb> OMG you guys have bot. SWEET!
[22:53] <xunewb> whats the help command to get it to tell me what it knows? like the starting point i guess
[22:54] <xunewb> .!help or something like that
[22:54] <xunewb> !help
[22:54] <xunewb> aha
[22:54] <xunewb> well that was effective
[22:55] <BooVeMan_work> good luck may try this next time:
[22:55] <BooVeMan_work> !help | xunewb
[22:55] <xunewb> this is too good. I love open source. poo on windows for being crap
[22:56] <BooVeMan_work> come back from pidgin :-)
[22:56] <xunewb> I shall
[22:56] <xunewb> thanks again
[22:56] <xunewb> im off to join the ranks
[23:04] <MTec007> i plugged my wireless card into my laptop and it wasnt automatically found
[23:05] <MTec007> what do i have to do to make xubuntu find it
[23:15] <MTec007> does any one know?
[23:26] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007: would that be a usb or a pcmcia wireless card?
[23:27] <MTec007> pcmia
[23:28] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007: what is the line in the output ofsudo lspci which tells you something of wlan?
[23:28] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007: or wireless or atherros or onoco
[23:29] <MTec007> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[23:29] <BooVeMan_work> !wireless | MTec007
[23:30] <BooVeMan_work> look for you chipset which is the Braodcom BCM 4306
[23:30] <BooVeMan_work> !broadcom | MTec007
[23:31] <BooVeMan_work> this bot is unbelievable
[23:31] <BooVeMan_work> ubottu: thanks
[23:33] <MTec007> theres nothing listed for xubuntu 8.10 ?
[23:36] <BooVeMan_work> what I derive from the wiki is that the driver si included only you have do get the firmware
[23:36] <BooVeMan_work> try running b43-fwcutter - thats what stats the wiki page if you read closely
[23:38] <BooVeMan_work> run the proposed lspci -n to find out which rev you rot and proceed respectively or configuring the b43 or b43-legacy
[23:53] <Jabone> hi anybody awake?
[23:53] <Jabone> what is the command in xfce to raise/lower audio volume?
[23:54] <Jabone> I'm trying to get my volume keys working, and there is nothing related to volume in keyboard shortcuts
[23:54] <MTec007> aumix -v+10   or aumix -v-10     the 10 can be changed
[23:56] <Jabone> so i put "aumix -v+10" as a command?