[08:05] <lastnode> it asked me to untar
[08:05] <Kytten> yes it's installed
[08:05] <lastnode> and run make inside /Module/
[08:05] <Kytten> i will show u
[08:05] <lastnode> i did
[08:05] <bob2> CaiN_SA: no, it will be a bizarro port, since it's using a binary driver
[08:05] <bimberi> CaiN_SA: I think we're talking smartlink here
[08:05] <bob2> Kytten: no, stop
[08:05] <bob2> Kytten: tell us what tool you're trying to use to configure it
[08:05] <Kytten> k
[08:05] <lastnode> insmod takes the .ko extension
[08:06] <lastnode> but modprobe doesnt
[08:06] <CaiN_SA> lastnode, ya
[08:06] <lastnode> hey Lethal-Rocks
[08:06] <Lethal-Rocks> Hey lastnode
[08:06] <cafuego> *wow*
[08:06] <lastnode> i got the driver untarred
[08:06] <Kytten> sl-modem-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.9.9a-1ubuntu2+2.6.10-34_i386
[08:06] <Lethal-Rocks> Ya and compiled?
[08:06] <lastnode> and it works with insmod
[08:06] <Kytten> the one u pointed me for
[08:06] <lastnode> yeah
[08:06] <bob2> lastnode: then you haven't installed it properly
[08:06] <lastnode> i did make in /Module/
[08:06] <bob2> Kytten: that has nothign to do with configuring it
[08:07] <Kytten> yup
[08:07] <Lethal-Rocks> Oh, I think mine went somewhere else
[08:07] <bob2> Kytten: now run 'sudo pppconfig'
[08:07] <lastnode> bob2, i dont follow at all :(
[08:07] <Kytten> i congfigure it with ppp
[08:07] <Kytten> dailaup configration
[08:07] <lastnode> Lethal-Rocks, after i do insmod and run dhclient, it works for a little
[08:07] <lastnode> and then times out
[08:07] <lastnode> or alternatively, the system just hands
[08:07] <lastnode> *hangs
[08:08] <bob2> lastnode: if it doesn't work, why are you bothering to make it load automatically?
[08:08] <Lethal-Rocks> lastnode, did you doo the alias command?
[08:08] <CaiN_SA> erm i still think it might be what i said but ok
[08:08] <bob2> Kytten: ignore that and run the command I gave you
[08:08] <furic> How would i go about getting the sun java plugin in firefox?
[08:08] <aftertaf> !info imagemagick
[08:08] <ubotu> imagemagick: (Image manipulation programs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 6:<IP_ADDRESS>-2.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1430 kB, Installed size: 5200 kB
[08:08] <bob2> furic: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:08] <lastnode> Lethal-Rocks, as in?
[08:08] <Kytten> once i installed that moudles told me everything installed and pointed me to: /dev/ttySL0 but once i tried that configration tool dosent work
[08:08] <cafuego> furic: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:08] <lastnode> iwconfig finds rausb0
[08:08] <furic> ty
[08:09] <Lethal-Rocks> something like echo "alias rausb0 rt2570" | <can'tremember>
[08:09] <Kytten> what command bob2
[08:09] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: /etc/modutils/rausb
[08:09] <bob2> Kytten: sudo pppconfig
[08:09] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: But with '>' and not '|'.
[08:09] <Kytten> i should type that in terminal
[08:10] <Lethal-Rocks> cafuego, it's on the wiki, so I beleive it :P
[08:10] <bob2> Kytten: yes
[08:10] <Kytten> but the file which i installed from floppy , should i go to floppy again
[08:10] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: No, the wiki doesn't say to echo that into a pipe. Or if it does, it's wrong.
[08:10] <Kytten> or it's over
[08:11] <bob2> Kytten: ignore all that
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> cafuego, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo Under "And what if I don't need RaConfig"
[08:11] <lastnode> Lethal-Rocks, is that after insmod?
[08:11] <Kytten> k
[08:11] <Kytten> i will try it now
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> insmod was a test
[08:11] <Kytten> and ty for helping  me
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> This is supposedly to start the driver automatically
[08:12] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: Ah, to tee.
[08:12] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: yeah, '>' is the same as '| tee'
[08:12] <Lethal-Rocks> Yeah, I couldn't remember until I went there :P
[08:13] <Cryptid> i am having trouble playing .avi files the video keeps skiping i am sure that there is no problem with the files so i removed the gstram and w32codes, will it help if i just install the w32codecs, i mean will the codecs help to play other file formats
[08:13] <tga> nalioth, seahorse doesn't know about key servers :\
[08:14] <cafuego> tga: It does on breezy
[08:14] <nalioth> tga: seahorse isnt the greatest frontend, try kgpg
[08:14] <nalioth> tga: also read up on gpg settings, you can add keyservers in your gpg settings
[08:14] <tga> I don't want any kde apps
[08:14] <hume> is there a way to get the standard debian menu to be included in the KDE and Gnome menus in ubuntu? having trouble navigating the menus
[08:15] <bob2> hm, my nautilus icons are gone
[08:15] <bob2> hume: install menu
[08:15] <tga> I'm mostly using gpg in the console
[08:15] <nalioth> tga: then read up on using gpg
[08:15] <bitje> anyone knows when 5.10 will be out ?
[08:15] <Lethal-Rocks> bitje, Oct 13
[08:16] <nalioth> tga http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[08:16] <LootBeer> how do i know what cd burners i have in my box???
[08:16] <bitje> hmm.. and I thought that we where living in October.. hmm.. it is September now.. ;)
[08:16] <bimberi> bob2: file a bug (sorry, couldn't resist) :)
[08:17] <GrannyTux> can anyone help with an install question
[08:17] <thenuke> GrannyTux: propably, just ask :)
[08:17] <bob2> bimberi: hah
[08:17] <GrannyTux> i have two 4 gig hard drive would like to install ubuntu
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> 4 gb?
[08:18] <GrannyTux> and need suggestions on what should be on each
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> or do ya mean 40gb? I hope...
[08:18] <thenuke> gig = gb
[08:18] <GrannyTux> no this is an old p3
[08:18] <tga> thanks nalioth, I know about console gpg, I was just curious about a nice front end
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> ewwwwww
[08:18] <thenuke> ubuntu fits into 4gb perfectly
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:18] <GrannyTux> using up spare part for a give away
[08:18] <nickrud> GrannyTux, make one root, and one home
[08:18] <nalioth> tga: i've used seahorse and prefer kgpg (i usually use the console)
[08:18] <nickrud> enough to play with
[08:19] <chesty> hello, how do I automate the installation of a single package that uses debconf?
[08:19] <GrannyTux> ya but i would like to separte the home and mabye var i don't know
[08:19] <Madpilot> GrannyTux: Ubuntu takes up about 1.7Gb on install, so a 4GB drive is fine...
[08:19] <hume> bob2, after install of menus, i can run update-menus, but that doesn't give me the debian submenu - is there a way to do that?
[08:19] <ptlria001> is this a tech chat room or just normal chat?
[08:19] <Madpilot> ptlria001: tech, except when it isn't ;)
[08:19] <thenuke> ptlria001: official help channel
[08:20] <hume> bob2, sorry, now it just did appear.....
[08:20] <nickrud> GrannyTux, forget about /var and such on other partitions, unless you want to make it a server
[08:20] <h4zn> do any of you know how to install Linux on my Palm 31?
[08:20] <soonf00> Anyone else notice Right-click "Laucnh Terminal" missing on the Gnome desktop in Breezy?
[08:20] <thenuke> h4zn: try google
[08:20] <lastnode_> Lethal-Rocks, ok rebooting
[08:20] <lastnode_> followed the wiki tutorial step by step
[08:20] <blastradius> Hi people
[08:20] <nickrud> hume, I needed to get menu-xdg to get the debian menu
[08:20] <GrannyTux> thx nic
[08:21] <Cryptid> plz help ,i am having trouble playing .avi files the video keeps skiping i am sure that there is no problem with the files so i removed the gstram and w32codes, will it help if i just install the w32codecs, i mean will the codecs help to play other file formats
[08:21] <blastradius> Cryptid, can't hurt can it.
[08:22] <soonf00> Anyone have Breezy installed?
[08:22] <ubuntu> hello all
[08:22] <lastnode_> oh
[08:22] <ubuntu> how the heck do i enable sound in hoary?
[08:22] <bob2> ubuntu: it's already enabled
[08:22] <ubuntu> how?
[08:22] <bob2> perhaps you could elaborate?
[08:22] <ubuntu> well i can't hear anything
[08:22] <blastradius> it just worked for me
[08:22] <lastnode_> bob2, does ubuntu take long to configure network interfaces
[08:22] <Cryptid> blastradius, are u suggesting me to use only w32codecs
[08:22] <lastnode_> or is it just me?
[08:22] <ubuntu> ?
[08:23] <soonf00> bob2, you done upgrading yet?  seems like you can't right click the desktop in the new gnome 2.12 to get a new terminal
[08:23] <bob2> lastnode_: no
[08:23] <ubuntu> well, will someone tell me how to enable sound?
[08:23] <lastnode_> bob2, any idea why that is?
[08:23] <bob2> soonf00: yes, but I don't use gnome-terminal, anyway
[08:23] <drummer101|afk> what does "short read in buffer_copy(backend dpkg-deb ... ) mean?
[08:23] <ubuntu> PLEASE?
[08:23] <bob2> ubuntu: please stop it
[08:23] <bob2> ubuntu: stop be irritating
[08:23] <lastnode_> ubuntu, are your speakers on?
[08:23] <bob2> ubuntu: explain exactly what isn't working
[08:23] <ubuntu> yes
[08:23] <lastnode_> is the volume turned up? system volume?
[08:23] <ubuntu> it's on
[08:23] <bob2> DaouMei: that your disk is broken
[08:23] <kasz> I get the message "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available." How can i fix this? Or how can i manually change the refresh rate when i start X?
[08:23] <ubuntu> it's on full volume
[08:23] <blastradius> cryptid, i just ran the zip file you'll find if you google mrbass ubuntu. Now i can run anything
[08:23] <soonf00> bob2, is there a place to report this -- is it a bug or feature?
[08:23] <bob2> drummer101|afk: that your disk is broken
[08:23] <GrannyTux> whats the latest scoop on 64 bit media plugins for firefox
[08:23] <lastnode_> does the sound work in any other os you have installed?
[08:23] <michel> Question for all, I am trying to find a firewall software from tucows.  is uBuntu a platform, or just a theme thing.  I am very new to linux.
[08:24] <ubuntu> yes in all other os
[08:24] <lastnode_> look in the ubuntu device manager, does it see your soundcard?
[08:24] <ubuntu> it works just fine
[08:24] <bob2> soonf00: apt-cahce search nautilus terminal, you have to install some other thing
[08:24] <bob2> michel: don't use tucows
[08:24] <ubuntu> yes it does see my sound card
[08:24] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: all other os meaning what?
[08:24] <bob2> michel: and you almost certainly don't need a firewall
[08:24] <nickrud> soonf00, try apt-get'ing nautilus-open-terminal
[08:24] <michel> What should I use?
[08:24] <ubuntu> 98, 2000 they work fine
[08:24] <ippiraman> hello all!
[08:24] <michel> K
[08:24] <ubuntu> only in ubuntu i doesn't work
[08:24] <nybble> hey! ijust got a Tucows Cow...
[08:24] <nybble> lol
[08:24] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: lol
[08:24] <michel> For other utility apps, what site should I use
[08:24] <henk> hi i stalled ati drivers for my card hoping for some better performace with translucensy etc (i have a radeon 9100 which should be capable of the cool stuff) but that did not do much. However the guys at ati were kind enough te replace the control center in the startmenu with an ati conrol option. Where do i get the normal apllication for controlling the system ?
[08:24] <Cryptid> blastradius, what all files does it support
[08:24] <Madpilot> michel: Firestarter is in Ubuntu's repos, if you really need a firewall
[08:25] <ippiraman> we have a huge problem
[08:25] <ippiraman> the gov
[08:25] <ippiraman> the gov't has a nationwide crackdown of pirated software
[08:25] <soonf00> bob2, nickrud, there is nothign in the breezy repos for this
[08:25] <ubuntu> i had to uninstall my ubuntu
[08:25] <bob2> michel: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:25] <ubuntu> sine it refused to play sounds
[08:25] <michel> repos?
[08:25] <soonf00> also is Aptitude now preferred over apt-get?
[08:25] <ubuntu> i m currently running the live version
[08:25] <ippiraman> so i'm migrating all to ubuntu
[08:25] <bob2> henk: I'm pretty sure firegl does not do anything on your card
[08:25] <ubuntu> :(
[08:25] <bob2> ippiraman: that's not really a huge problem
[08:26] <bob2> soonf00: yeha
[08:26] <thoreauputic> michel: you don't need to search the web for apps - ubuntu does it for you
[08:26] <ubuntu> :(
[08:26] <michel> ah
[08:26] <mkyb14> ok there are no setup instructions for BUM boot manager...... anyone know how to install the damn thing
[08:26] <ubuntu> i m currently running the live version
[08:26] <nickrud> soonf00, apt-cache policy tells me it's in universe
[08:26] <ubuntu> still can't hear a damn thing
[08:26] <thoreauputic> michel: read the synaptic howto bob2 ponted you to
[08:26] <GrannyTux> everone seen the new * window authentication * no more updates
[08:26] <ubuntu> y is linux still so hard to just freaking install and run?
[08:26] <soonf00> nickrud, ok -- havent added that yet -- whoops
[08:26] <bob2> I really don't like this whiney attitude
[08:26] <bob2> ubuntu: oh, stop it
[08:26] <ippiraman> bob2: one problem is obtaining cedega freely and webcam support in gaim
[08:27] <ubuntu> y?
[08:27] <bob2> ubuntu: it works for the vast majority of people; if it doesn't work on your particular hardware, file a bug so it can be fixed
[08:27] <Madpilot> ubuntu: that depends on your hardware; my sound worked right out of the install
[08:27] <bob2> ippiraman: that's not a problem, you just pay transgaming and they give you cedega
[08:27] <soonf00> ubuntu, I think breezy was the simplest of any distro out there
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> ippiraman: how on earth is not obtaining cedega freely an ubuntu problem
[08:27] <ubuntu> how can i get breezy?
[08:27] <ippiraman> don't have credit card
[08:27] <ippiraman> :-(
[08:27] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: download it and burn it to a cd
[08:27] <soonf00> ubuntu, ubuntulinux.org -> download -> Breezy
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok, is that an old version of ubuntu?
[08:28] <bob2> ippiraman: then email them and offer to post a cheque or something
[08:28] <tga> huh? breezy shouldn't be out
[08:28] <ubuntu> is it better than hoary?
[08:28] <soonf00> ubuntu, no it is the newest
[08:28] <bob2> ippiraman: this is not an ubuntu problem
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok, tx
[08:28] <henk> bob2 the ati driver manual stated that my card was supported, and it did do "something" .. *slow* translucency is now replaced by *bad* translucency meaning that i get windows that are hardly visible because other windows and artifacts are renderend on top of it etc. So it messes up pretty good. I'm not using translucency now and it works. However there is the issue of ati replacing the control panel
[08:28] <thenuke> ubuntu: but you might want to consider that if you really should use breezy if you dont know how to get it ;) it's not stable yet
[08:28] <soonf00> tga, the preview CD ISO is
[08:28] <bob2> pointing whingey windows users at breezy does not seem like a hot idea
[08:28] <tga> ah, the preview, nm
[08:28] <ubuntu> i want to see the live CD
[08:28] <nickrud> rofl
[08:28] <ubuntu> before i install anything this time
[08:28] <soonf00> tga, actually, it seems surprisingly well groomed for a preview
[08:29] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: you should wait until it's final then
[08:29] <ubuntu> question: does an inbuilt soundcard have problems with most distros?
[08:29] <nalioth> aftertaf: please do us the favor
[08:29] <GrannyTux> anybody get 3d working on a voodoo 2000
[08:29] <bob2> ubuntu: if your sound does not work out of the box, you need to file a coherenet and compleyte bug report so it can be fixed
[08:29] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: it sounds like you're very put off by technical problems, you should wait until it's done
[08:29] <soonf00> tga, run Debian stable then :-)
[08:29] <blastradius> hi people
[08:29] <ubuntu> yes, i'm pissed off by a silly sound problem
[08:29] <soonf00> tga, and then cry all day because your software is out of date
[08:29] <ubuntu> everything else is just fine...
[08:29] <mahangu> woo
[08:30] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: did you look to see if your sound card is supported?
[08:30] <mahangu> im on from ubuntu
[08:30] <tga> soonf00, all software was current at some point
[08:30] <soonf00> ubuntu, try using the Hardware Device Databade to report your problem
[08:30] <ubuntu> i've reported, but i'm just impatient
[08:30] <ubuntu> :|
[08:30] <soonf00> ubuntu, Applications -> System Tools -> Ubuntu Device Database
[08:30] <henk> bob2, you don't by any chance know what the normal control panel in kde is called ?
[08:30] <soonf00> henk, kcontrol
[08:31] <Burgundavia> soonf00, that data is currently awaiting a use, and does not consistitute a bug report
[08:31] <bob2> henk: don't use kde, sorry
[08:31] <blastradius> ok, i'm using XChat, is there a better gui client or have i picked the right one?
[08:31] <ubuntu> the reason for my impatience is that i didn't want my local school to install windows
[08:31] <mahangu> xchat rocks
[08:31] <soonf00> Burgundavia, im using it
[08:31] <cafuego> bob2: Don't be sorry, it's good advice.
[08:31] <ubuntu> instead i gave them ubuntu... but the sound doesn't work
[08:31] <soonf00> ubuntu, why not install edubuntu instead?
[08:31] <cevizoglu> blastradius: I like xchat
[08:31] <ubuntu> is that another distro?
[08:31] <nalioth> gt: remember your manners
[08:32] <ubuntu> subdistro?
[08:32] <ubuntu> perhaps...
[08:32] <henk> soonf00, yes thnx!
[08:32] <Burgundavia> soonf00, I am talking about taking the data out and doing something with it
[08:32] <ubuntu> hey burgundavia....
[08:32] <cafuego> henk: The application and package name are 'kcontrol'
[08:32] <ubuntu> hey burgundavia....
[08:32] <blastradius> cevizoglu, good, i tried KVirc but things don't seem to work as i expect. (i am running Kubuntu)
[08:32] <ubuntu> r u the same guy from wikipedia?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, what do you need help with?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, yes
[08:32] <mkyb14> ok there are no setup instructions for BUM boot manager...... anyone know how to install the damn thing
[08:33] <ubuntu> ok cool
[08:33] <bob2> mkyb14: it really has no documentation at all?
[08:33] <mkyb14> i'm proly dislexic
[08:33] <ubuntu> the world is a small place after all..
[08:33] <mkyb14> but no steps that i can find
[08:33] <aftertaf> is the imagemagick package broken and unobtainable in breezy for anyone else but me?
[08:34] <nybble> aftertaf: *checks*
[08:34] <tga> mkyb14, just use grub
[08:34] <aftertaf> k nybble cheers.
[08:34] <pef> hello
[08:34] <cafuego> imagemagick is already the newest version.
[08:34] <cafuego> sorry :-)
[08:34] <mkyb14> notto edit my boot sequemnce of programs
[08:34] <ubuntu> so guys, is edubuntu good enough?
[08:34] <smurf> Uhm, I hate asking for help, but does anyone know why my firefox would keep locking the ENTIRE X system up?
[08:34] <nybble> aftertaf: imagemagick is already the newest version.
[08:34] <ubuntu> does it have sound problems etc.?
[08:34] <cafuego> ubuntu: for what?
[08:34] <nybble> sorry
[08:35] <ippiraman> is it safe to upgrade to breezy now?
[08:35] <cevizoglu> smurf: are you on PPC by any chance?
[08:35] <ubuntu> for educational purposes
[08:35] <ubuntu> like schools, colleges etc...
[08:35] <cafuego> aftertaf: I just did 'dpkg -P' and reinstalled it via apt-get, works fine.
[08:35] <aftertaf>  nybble : imagemagick 6:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1?
[08:35] <nybble> ippiraman: i have no problem with it
[08:35] <ompaul> ippiraman, if you are willing to have a couple of hundred megs a day upgrades it seems good enough
[08:35] <smurf> no, I'm on x86, athlon xp.   I'm thinking it may be a theme I'm using
[08:35] <cafuego> aftertaf: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1
[08:35] <aftertaf> ok its my distro/proxy/
[08:36] <nybble> aftertaf: 6:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1
[08:36] <cafuego> could be a broken x86 apckage; mine's x86_64
[08:36] <nybble> i'm x86
[08:36] <nybble> no problems here
[08:36] <aftertaf> no panic then, its local (to me!!)
[08:36] <aftertaf> !repos
[08:36] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:37] <cevizoglu> smurf: when my system was relatively new running warty, I got four or five kp's with firefox.  they went away with hoary
[08:37] <leopard> can I remove ~/.gnome and have it reappear fresh on relogin?
[08:37] <ubuntu> Is it possible to make my own live CD based on ubuntu distro?
[08:37] <bob2> leopard: yeah
[08:37] <bob2> ubuntu: yes
[08:37] <nybble> off to sleep i go
[08:38] <nybble> ttyl
[08:38] <leopard> thanks...problem with the taskbar
[08:38] <ubuntu> i want to add yahoo and skype along with it, can u tell me how?
[08:38] <ompaul> ippiraman, in fact that was unfair - there was 334 packages since colony four ~ 255 megs ... and there are 105 megs since about 12 hours ago -
[08:38] <smurf> cevizoglu: well, I'm running hoary too
[08:38] <ubuntu> if i'm not being a PITA
[08:38] <nickrud> leopard, you may need to remove .gconfd as well
[08:38] <mkyb14> ok there are no setup instructions for BUM boot manager...... anyone know how to install the damn thing
[08:38] <leopard> nickrud: thanks
[08:38] <ompaul> ippiraman,  that 255 was up to 7 hours ago - different box
[08:38] <[Wiebel] > moin
[08:39] <ompaul> mkyb14, apt-get install ?
[08:39] <mkyb14> doens't owrk
[08:39] <mkyb14> work
[08:39] <ubuntu> is it possible to add yahoo messenger and skype to my live CD distro?
[08:39] <nalioth> grsstig
[08:39] <[Wiebel] > since upgrading to breezy it seems that I don't have sound anymore with flash
[08:39] <mkyb14> i'm using hoary not breezy
[08:39] <[Wiebel] > starting firefox with esddsp wount work
[08:39] <ompaul> mkyb14, have you the package?
[08:39] <[Wiebel] > with artsdsp will, but hey, who wants that ;)
[08:39] <danz0r> Hi im newb
[08:39] <mkyb14> i downloaded it manually
[08:40] <mkyb14> but i don't see a readme file etc
[08:40] <cafuego> Ugh, dtsche
[08:40] <smurf> hi newb
[08:40] <ompaul> mkyb14,  sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[08:40] <danz0r> how do i join different channels
[08:40] <bob2> ubuntu: it's not trivial
[08:40] <bimberi> danz0r: /j #channel
[08:40] <bob2> ubuntu: and will require you to learn a lot about how ubuntu works
[08:40] <thoreauputic> danz0r: /join #foo
[08:40] <ubuntu> ok
[08:40] <cafuego> mh
[08:40] <GrannyTux> dumb question is it possible to get gaim to do vidoe and audio like msn
[08:40] <ubuntu> it's not just drag and drop, eh? :)
[08:41] <bob2> if you're at the stage of complaining that your sound doesn't work, I'd think you'd have to be willing to put in a lot of work
[08:41] <danz0r> where do i see a list of channels
[08:41] <mkyb14> is it installed now?
[08:41] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: do you want to make the livecd for just one kind of hardware, or several?
[08:41] <ubuntu> maybe there should be a modular live Cd
[08:41] <kasz> I get the message "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available." How can i fix this? Or how can i manually change the refresh rate when i start X?
[08:41] <[Wiebel] > anyone who has sound with firefox+flash? :)
[08:41] <ompaul> mkyb14, sudo bum<< will tell
[08:41] <bob2> ubuntu: it is modular
[08:41] <bob2> [Wiebel] : pkill esd, try reloading
[08:42] <ubuntu> just one kind of hardware
[08:42] <bob2> kasz: someone broke your X config
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > bob2: no go
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > tried that allready
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > on hoary i used to do AOSS
[08:42] <bimberi> danz0r: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist
[08:42] <kasz> bob2, apparently, but how do i fix it?
[08:42] <gerger> thank you
[08:42] <nickrud> danz0r, I found http://searchirc.com/ useful for finding channels
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > that worked fine :)
[08:42] <ubuntu> the motherboard manufacturers should also give drivers for linux
[08:43] <ubuntu> they only give for windows assuming e1 uses windows...
[08:43] <pclu> jtyytj
[08:43] <mkyb14> awsome
[08:43] <mkyb14> thanks
[08:43] <bob2> [Wiebel] : "no go"?  you restarted firewfox and it didn't work?
[08:43] <gerger> ok os i asked ewarlier and someone, cant recall who, kept telling me to go to a link they gave... but the link for installing nvidia drivers really doesnt make sense to me
[08:43] <ompaul> ubuntu, write to yours and say I want open source drivers for my mobo
[08:43] <bob2> ubuntu: no, manufacturers are not where you should get drivers from
[08:43] <bob2> ubuntu: since they will be crap, binary and distro-specific
[08:43] <jollyroger> Can anybody tell me whether or not the breezy preview supports ADM8211 wifi cards out of the box?
[08:43] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: it's much easier to find howto's on making a livecd than it actually is making one.  just my $0.2
[08:43] <[Wiebel] > bob2: indeed
[08:43] <bob2> ubuntu: ubuntu already supports more types of hardware than windows, out of the box
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > i've tried all sorts of things
[08:44] <bob2> jollyroger: does that have a Free driver?
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > the only way to get it working is with artsdsp
[08:44] <bob2> [Wiebel] : nothing else is using /dev/dsp?
[08:44] <bob2> [Wiebel] : then kill arts
[08:44] <smurf> bob2: really????
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > bob2: nop
[08:44] <lastnode> bob2: got it working, thanks
[08:44] <bob2> smurf: yes
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > bob2: i did
[08:44] <ubuntu> ok, but isn't all these distros out there actually making it difficult?
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntu: no
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntu: of course not
[08:44] <cevizoglu> bob2: given that ubuntu works on my powerbook, I agree  :)
[08:44] <jollyroger> bob2: there is a GPL driver for ADM8211 at aluminum.sourmilk.net
[08:44] <lastnode> bob2: now just wondering why it takes so long on configuring network devices?
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > bob2: firefox should do esd though and that won't work :)
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > or AOSS
[08:44] <bob2> jollyroger: then it will probably work
[08:44] <ubuntu> i mean it's not like windows where i have a simple program and it works
[08:44] <ubuntu> on any windows
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntu: sure it is
[08:45] <gerger> if anyone would bother ot explain the methods for removing the current drivers, i think i can handle the rest... it doesnt quite seem to excplain removal at the faqs
[08:45] <ubuntu> but in linux it's all mixed up
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntu: no, because your distribution will package it for you, and you can install it with one click
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntu: only if you make it hard for yourself
[08:45] <jollyroger> bob2: that's not what I'm asking.  I'm asking if it does work...
[08:45] <bob2> gerger: "current drivers" of what?
[08:45] <ompaul> ubuntu, you are thinking like someone in windows world ... have a look at theLinux world because every restriction you know is most likely wrong
[08:45] <bimberi> lastnode: it can take a while if, for example, you're configured for DHCP and you're not on a DHCP network
[08:45] <gerger> i just need drivers with soem kind of 3d acceleration
[08:45] <ubuntu> no what i mean is u go to a shop get a games Cd
[08:45] <lastnode> bimberi: oh that must be reason
[08:45] <ubuntu> and run it on any dumb windows machine
[08:45] <gerger> seems like even the screen savers cant be run at speed on the current ones
[08:45] <ompaul> ubuntu, complain to the makers
[08:45] <cafuego> gerger: What card?
[08:46] <gerger> fx5200
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu: and that happens on linux, too
[08:46] <gerger> seems there torouble with this one i guess?
[08:46] <lastnode> bimberi: also, are there any wifi tools i can apt-get?
[08:46] <bimberi> lastnode: in which case you can <CTRL>C it
[08:46] <bob2> lastnode: configuring? you mean running dhcp?
[08:46] <ubuntu> but in linux i have to see if they run on my distro etc...
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu: no you don't
[08:46] <cafuego> gerger: install the restricted modules and nvidia-glx
[08:46] <lastnode> bob2: at bootup mate
[08:46] <ubuntu> how?
[08:46] <gerger> i dont know how though
[08:46] <lastnode> it says "configuring network devices" for ages
[08:46] <cafuego> !nvidia
[08:46] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu: have you ever bought a proprietary game for linux?
[08:46] <gerger> mine too
[08:46] <cafuego> gerger: there's a HOWTO :-)
[08:46] <gerger> about the network config it says for like a minute
[08:46] <ubuntu> i tried to, but they don't sell here
[08:46] <bob2> lastnode: did you tell it to use dhcp, but when it boots it's not connected to a dhcp server?
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntu: there you go
[08:47] <gerger> !nvidia
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntu: if you do buy it, it works just like on windows
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntu: you read the side of the box to see if your OS is vaguely modern enough, then you install it
[08:47] <bimberi> lastnode: lots, search in synaptic, and have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:47] <enchanter> What does DSDT mean? " ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!"
[08:48] <ubuntu> no, what i mean is if i create an application in windows, it works on all windows
[08:48] <bob2> enchanter: it's some code stored in your bios that's used by the ACPI system in the kernel
[08:48] <gerger> brb
[08:48] <GrannyTux> fte many hows of tweeking i would like to back up my unbuntu install to a bootable dvd can anyone point me to a good faq on this
[08:48] <bob2> ubuntu: and it's the same in linux
[08:48] <rawi_> I try to activate gui but it says not supported
[08:48] <drunken-wallaby> join #python-de
[08:48] <ubuntu> but in linux i have to create individually for rpm
[08:48] <bob2> enchanter: some machine have buggy versions in the bios, so it's possible to replace it at boot time
[08:48] <ubuntu> etc.
[08:48] <bob2> ubuntu: no, you don't
[08:48] <enchanter> bob2, does that mean I do not use ACPI well?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: not so
[08:48] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: that's not true.  if you make an application in winxp, there is very little chance it will work right on win98
[08:48] <bob2> ubuntu: you can make shitty generic binaries just like you can on windows
[08:48] <[Wiebel] > bob2: nvm
[08:49] <Cryptid> When is Breezy final version going to be out and can i upgrade my present version of ubuntu to it with out having to format and reinstall my com i mean can i just pop the cd in and just upgrade from the breezy cd
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > bob2: after dist-upgrade it works
[08:49] <bob2> ubuntu: or you can properly integfrate it into the OS with .debs
[08:49] <ubuntu> i tried that with my technie friend
[08:49] <enchanter> bob2, Would you like to let me know who to do it?
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > or at least so it seems
[08:49] <on1009> hi all, has anybody had dhcp problems after std ubuntu install or did it work out of the box?
[08:49] <lastnode> did anyone say anything to me? im using irssi and dunno how to scroll up :)
[08:49] <ubuntu> but there are lots of compatibility problems when working across varied distros
[08:49] <ubuntu> especially with simple users
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > hmm no
[08:49] <bob2> enchanter: what? it's fine, it's just saying that you didn't tell it to load a new dsdt
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > not via esd
[08:49] <ubuntu> who operate linux found it difficult
[08:49] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: look, bob2 actually knows - you are just setting up straw man arguments here
[08:49] <cevizoglu> on1009: it worked right out of the, uh, cd
[08:50] <Cryptid> When is Breezy final version going to be out and can i upgrade my present version of ubuntu to it with out having to format and reinstall my com i mean can i just pop the cd in and just upgrade from the breezy cd
[08:50] <bob2> ubuntu: if your friend wanted to make a binary work on lots of different distributions, they could
[08:50] <on1009> cevizoglu, no box thats true, lol
[08:50] <bob2> Cryptid: no need to repeat
[08:50] <Orunitia> okay...
[08:50] <Orunitia> I'm turning my pc off for a bit
[08:50] <Orunitia> my power just went on and off
[08:50] <ubuntu> ok, i'll tell him to do like that then bob2
[08:50] <bob2> Cryptid: and yes, popping in the cd is enough
[08:50] <bob2> ubuntu: it's not often very useful, tho
[08:50] <Cryptid> bob2, thanx
[08:50] <bob2> windows users have an odd view of software development
[08:50] <ubuntu> why?
[08:50] <bob2> it doesn't matter tha making rpms and debs is more work, since other people do it for you
[08:51] <bob2> you release good free software and dozens of people just package it for their distro immediately
[08:51] <bob2> it doesn't cost you anything
[08:51] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: if the source code is available, anyone can make packages
[08:51] <bob2> it doesn't cost the world any extra effort
[08:51] <ubuntu> it's not free software
[08:51] <bob2> then it's your problem
[08:51] <on1009> cevizoglu, heard so much about dhcp probs that the rumour went its a broken pkg in ubuntu, but my testinstall worked of the plastic as well
[08:51] <ubuntu> its proprietary one, basically with limited budget
[08:51] <ubuntu> and my friend doesn't work entirely free
[08:52] <gerger> i hope it works thanks guiys
[08:52] <ubuntu> we've made a program for windows
[08:52] <bob2> then tell your friend to make annoying static binaries
[08:52] <ompaul> bob2, would this be a good time to mention the  cathedral & the bazaar ?
[08:52] <bob2> ompaul: hah
[08:52] <ubuntu> why annoying?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: then that's not a linux problem, it's a business problem
[08:52] <bob2> ubuntu: because it will require peopel to install other things manually
[08:52] <smott> what's with the little popup informing me that there are updates in 5.10? why does linux look more and more like windows?
[08:52] <bob2> ubuntu: and you have to deal with making it remove itself, etc
[08:52] <[Wiebel] > ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[08:52] <[Wiebel] > hmzz
[08:52] <bob2> ubuntu: and you have to deal with all bug reports
[08:52] <[Wiebel] > there is my issue
[08:53] <ubuntu> rats
[08:53] <Cryptid> is there a Quick Time player for ubuntu
[08:53] <Cryptid> ?
[08:53] <cevizoglu> smott: that feature came originally from Mac, not windows
[08:53] <on1009> well then thanks
[08:53] <lastnode> Cryptid: mplayer plays everything
[08:53] <bob2> Cryptid: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:53] <Madpilot> Cryptid: w32codecs + player-of-choice - Totem for me
[08:53] <bob2> ubuntu: the same problems you have on windows, in fact
[08:53] <lastnode> where can i get a list of packages i can apt-get
[08:53] <lastnode> ?
[08:53] <bob2> making something Free saves you yourself effort
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i wanted to ask how do i get mplayer in ubuntu ?
[08:53] <bob2> lastnode: that's not useful, it would be 16 000 lines long
[08:54] <cevizoglu> lastnode: apt-cache search
[08:54] <ubuntu> windows doesn't have distros
[08:54] <bob2> CaiN_SA: it's in multiverse, /msg ubuntu repositories
[08:54] <Madpilot> lastnode: use Synaptic's Search button...
[08:54] <bob2> ubuntu: what does that have to do with anything at all?
[08:54] <ubuntu> so one setup file works from 95 to XP
[08:54] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: and that's a bad thing
[08:54] <bob2> ubuntu: and the same on linux, if you want to do it poorly like that that
[08:54] <Cryptid> Madpilot do u know how many file formats are supported by w32codecs?or is there a site where it is listed
[08:54] <aftertaf> ubuntu:  are you sure on that?
[08:54] <bob2> anyway, this is stupid and off-topic
[08:54] <Madpilot> Cryptid: can I /msg you?
[08:54] <ubuntu> what i'm saying is it involves a lot of work in linux
[08:54] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic or not at all
[08:54] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: can you stop talking about windows please?  I'm about to claw my eyeballs out
[08:54] <bob2> ubuntu: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:54] <Cryptid> madpilot, yes
[08:54] <lastnode> Madpilot: link to that?
[08:54] <CaiN_SA> bob2, and what is better xine or mplayer ?
[08:55] <lastnode> im looking for a graphical wifi config util
[08:55] <nalioth> Cryptid: www.mplayerhq.hu
[08:55] <lastnode> something that'l tell me wavestrength etc
[08:55] <Madpilot> lastnode: just a moment...
[08:55] <nalioth> Cryptid: for w32codecs (on the download page)
[08:55] <hussam> anybody knows if nvidia 3d acceleration is working in breezy?
[08:55] <lastnode> b/c im having trouble when i move away from the AP
[08:55] <smurf> Hey, just curious, how many of you have gotten Guild Wars to run?  My friend did, but it runs badly right now
[08:55] <bob2> CaiN_SA: I like mplayer because it's easier to control from the terminal
[08:55] <cevizoglu> lastnode: you use apt-cache search the same way you would search with google
[08:55] <bignose> I have a notebook computer with external CD-ROM connected via PCMCIA card.
[08:55] <gt> ok guys
[08:55] <cevizoglu> lastnode: plus or minus a few minor differences
[08:55] <ubuntu> i agree windows is shitty, but there r some business issues with linux
[08:56] <gt> now i dont have any three
[08:56] <gt> three d
[08:56] <bignose> with Debian (sarge) I can boot from a few floppy diskettes, then install from CD.
[08:56] <Madpilot> !tell lastnode about synaptic
[08:56] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: tell that to google
[08:56] <aftertaf> lastnode: type apt-cache search wifi (as an example)
[08:56] <bob2> gt: please use english, on single lines, in coherent sentences
[08:56] <bignose> I can't seem to find such images for Ubuntu.
[08:56] <bob2> ubuntu: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:56] <ubuntu> what will google do?
[08:56] <bob2> bignose: don't believe they exist
[08:56] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: free software has nothing to do with business models
[08:56] <gt> ...bob 2 i siad i dont have any 3d
[08:56] <bignose> (no, SBM doesn't help; the BIOS can't see the CD-ROM as a boot device)
[08:56] <smurf> google uses unix based systems
[08:56] <bob2> gt: and that is a useless question
[08:56] <cevizoglu> google runs their servers with linux
[08:56] <bignose> bob2: so what are my options?
[08:56] <ippiraman> the default install of ubuntu has mozilla firefox 1.02, how do I update it to 1.06?
[08:57] <bob2> gt: perhaps you mean "I installed the binary nvidia drivers like bob2 suggested, and now I have problem blah"
[08:57] <ubuntu> lol, google has lots of unix guys
[08:57] <bob2> ippiraman: it's in the security repository
[08:57] <gt> yes thats what i ment
[08:57] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i got universe repos but it has no mplayer
[08:57] <ubuntu> in india linux programmers r far lower
[08:57] <bob2> gt: then go back and follow the instructions again
[08:57] <bob2> CaiN_SA: multiverse, not universe
[08:57] <lastnode> is libiw27 a gui tool?
[08:57] <lastnode> it doesnt say
[08:57] <CaiN_SA> hmmmk
[08:57] <lastnode> i did apt-cache search wireless
[08:57] <bob2> lastnode: it's a library
[08:57] <CaiN_SA> !repos
[08:57] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:57] <bob2> lastnode: that's not useful
[08:57] <lastnode> mmm
[08:57] <lastnode> yeah i figured
[08:57] <dell500> is it possible to have Evolution seperate your mail from mailbox to mailbox?  like assign different folders for different addresses to keep it sorted
[08:57] <lastnode> anybody reccommend a wireless gui tool?
[08:58] <gt> you know bob2, you know alot about this stuff, but your a consistant jerk, and im not getting banned again, so thank you but please dot respond to me anymore
[08:58] <smurf> A LOT of companies use linux, actually
[08:58] <gt> all the non student pcs at my school back in the day were linux
[08:58] <bob2> gt: follow the instructions again
[08:58] <bob2> gt: if it continues to not work, come back
[08:58] <ubuntu> well some companies use linux, not a lot...
[08:58] <gt> i had to log out so i dont have them perhaps this time i will book mark them
[08:58] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i know xine doesnt play all broken vids, but mplayer does
[08:58] <bob2> and stop being obnoxious
[08:58] <cevizoglu> lastnode: does wireless work for you?
[08:58] <smurf> I work on laser printers, and my company uses sparc (sun) systems to program the laser printers
[08:59] <bob2> gt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:59] <bob2> gt: it is linekd from the FAQ
[08:59] <lastnode> cevizoglu: yeah im on wifi right now
[08:59] <lastnode> i just want a tool that'l give me info
[08:59] <lastnode> like signal range etc
[08:59] <lastnode> sorta like netstumbler for windows?
[08:59] <bob2> and I'm not being a jerk, I'm annoyed at stupid questions and people who are too lazy to even ask for help using complete words
[08:59] <Cryptid> Does ne body know what codecs i need to play .m4a files
[08:59] <CaiN_SA> wtf is mutliverse ? like super unsupported software ?
[08:59] <smurf> bob2: yes
[09:00] <bob2> CaiN_SA: non-free unsupported software
[09:00] <CaiN_SA> ah
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: did you try kwavecontrol?
[09:00] <bob2> Cryptid: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:00] <CaiN_SA> ok so i cant put it in my live cd
[09:00] <CaiN_SA> :P
[09:00] <lastnode> cevizoglu: nope
[09:00] <lastnode> can i apt-get that?
[09:00] <lastnode> also im running gnome, not kde
[09:00] <lastnode> :S
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: wavemon?  yes, you can apt-get both of them
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: gnome runs kde apps ok
[09:00] <ubuntu> ok tx 4 the info guys
[09:00] <lastnode> apt-get wavemon
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: and vice-versa
[09:01] <lastnode> oh hehe
[09:01] <lastnode> :S
[09:01] <ubuntu> got 2 go, bye
[09:01] <lastnode> is that correct syntax?
[09:02] <cevizoglu> lastnode: sudo apt-get install wavemon
[09:03] <lastnode> couldnt find package
[09:03] <cevizoglu> lastnode: do you have universe and multiverse in your package list?
[09:03] <lastnode> mm
[09:03] <Log-OS> hi all! i can't back to X after ctr-alt-F2
[09:03] <lastnode> thats greek to me man :(
[09:04] <gt> was i suposed to uninstal something before i installed the enw drivers? anyone?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Log-OS: alt-F7 ?
[09:04] <bob2> gt: define "new"?  did you install drivers from nvidia.com?
[09:04] <cevizoglu> lastnode: your package list is at /etc/apt/sources.list, take a look at it and see if it includes universe and multiverse
[09:04] <hussam> Is nvidia 3d acceleration working in breezy?
[09:04] <gt> no from the synaptic thing
[09:04] <Cryptid> which is better Beep-Media-player or XMMS?
[09:04] <dducko> Im looking for an FTP server, preferably with a gui... any suggestions?
[09:04] <cevizoglu> lastnode: wavemon is in universe
[09:05] <Seveas> Cryptid, beep :)
[09:05] <gt> also, i would like to know....what are the shortcut commanss for leaving x, and then for returning? anyone?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: beep is prettier, xmms has more plugins
[09:05] <Seveas> dducko, there's a gui available for proftpd and webmin modules for others...
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: they sound the same ;)
[09:05] <Log-OS> thoreauputic: thanks, i try that
[09:05] <dducko> thank you Seveas
[09:06] <lastnode> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[09:06] <chavo> hussam, works for me, but I haven't updated since the preview
[09:06] <lastnode> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[09:06] <bob2> gt: you don't need to leave X to install nvidia drivers
[09:06] <henk> can ubuntu play realmedia files ?
[09:06] <bob2> gt: you do not need to remove them to upgarde to a new version
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lastnode: remove the #
[09:06] <gt> the official ones told me i did
[09:06] <bob2> henk: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lastnode: and then you need to sudo apt-get update
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lastnode:  then try the install command again
[09:06] <bob2> gt: they are wrong, you do not need to leave X to install the ubuntu nvidia drivers
[09:06] <gt> first i couldnt use them ebcause it siad i didnt have root.. then i learned about sudo... then it said i couldnt run the installer inside x  windows
[09:06] <hussam> chavo: so you have no idea if they are still working?
[09:07] <gt> ok im just saying the ones from nvidia .com did
[09:07] <deFrysk> Dapper Drake wtf ?
[09:07] <bob2> gt: yes, don't use them
[09:07] <gt> im not now that you told em another way
[09:07] <bob2> deFrysk: ask mark
[09:07] <chavo> hussam, well from what I've heard breezy is broken lately, so I haven't upgraded
[09:07] <gt> i also heard they break things
[09:08] <lastnode> it asked me to to do apt get update
[09:08] <lastnode> oh sorry, didnt see that
[09:08] <nalioth> gt: the best way is the ubuntu way. other methods can break your ubuntu box
[09:08] <ompaul> deFrysk, better that than some others
[09:09] <deFrysk> ompaul, for me +1 wil be 06.04 , no name
[09:09] <lastnode> cevizoglu: same problem
[09:09] <lastnode> couldnt find package
[09:09] <cevizoglu> lastnode: comment out the lines which contain "cdrom".  you do that by placing # at the start of the line
[09:09] <deFrysk> mark has been in space too long.. :D
[09:10] <lastnode> cevizoglu: there is no cd rom line
[09:11] <cevizoglu> so, apt-get update didn't report any errors?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> keikoz: /join #ubuntu-fr  :)
[09:11] <keikoz> grrrrrrrrrr
[09:12] <lastnode> cevizoglu: doing it again
[09:12] <keikoz> i'm just telling hi ...
[09:12] <lastnode> reading package lists.. done
[09:12] <thoreauputic> keikoz: I was kidding :)
[09:12] <[Wiebel] > hmmz
[09:12] <[Wiebel] > firefox seems to ignore .asoundrc
[09:12] <lastnode> restricted is commented though
[09:13] <cevizoglu> lastnode: you need to add another line like this:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[09:14] <DanielHolth> hello
[09:14] <cevizoglu> lastnode: whether you use multiverse is up to you, though
[09:14] <No1Viking> !tell lastnode about repos
[09:14] <DanielHolth> anyone know anything about limiting bandwidth to certain users on a network?
[09:14] <DanielHolth> as in I want my desktop to get higer priority than wireless
[09:15] <lastnode> ok i messed around
[09:15] <lastnode> uncommented a few more lines
[09:15] <lastnode> lets hope this works
[09:15] <lastnode> its 14%, and download a lotta packages :S
[09:17] <Ashen> yo... anyone know what repos have eclipse on them?
[09:17] <smott> what's the "This version is for your own machine :-)" at the end of the mplayer-custom description supposed to mean?
[09:17] <bimberi> !eclipse
[09:17] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[09:17] <_ian> can anyone tell me how to get the temperature readings from my ibook g4?
[09:18] <cafuego> _ian: Anything in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[09:18] <Ashen> cheers ubotu
[09:18] <_ian> yeah
[09:18] <bimberi> Ashen: ubotu would say "you're welcome" but it's a bot :)
[09:18] <_ian> cafuego: lots of good stuff, but no temp stuff
[09:19] <Ashen> or bimberi if you activated the bot
[09:19] <Ashen> :p
[09:19] <Ashen> haha
[09:19] <Ashen> yeh
[09:19] <Ashen> I didn't see you activate it :p
[09:19] <_ian> the fan is running like crazy, but I'm not doing much
[09:19] <lastnode> bimberi: someone should write that in ;-)
[09:19] <bimberi> !thanks
[09:19] <ubotu> bimberi: graag gedaan
[09:19] <cafuego> _ian: You can _try_ the sensors modules, but I expect they won't support the chip in the iBook.
[09:19] <lastnode> _ian: check for system procesess
[09:19] <lastnode> _ian: probably running something in the bg
[09:19] <Ashen> is breezy stable enough to run?
[09:20] <_ian> nope, top is using 75% when I run it
[09:20] <cafuego> Ashen: Seems to be at the moment, but may change in between now and next month.
[09:20] <_ian> is it scaling the cpu or something that makes it look like its using all the power?
[09:20] <Ashen> hrmmm... thinking of trying it out...
[09:20] <_ian> does the ibook even support cpu scaling?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> _ian: yes it does
[09:20] <cafuego> thoreauputic: via powernowd?
[09:20] <tombalablomba> Good morning all
[09:21] <thoreauputic> _ian: mine seems to use 2 levels afaics
[09:21] <thoreauputic> cafuego: dunno :)
[09:21] <cafuego> _ian: Install 'sensord' and run 'sudo sensors-detect' (provided you're running an Ubuntu kernel)
[09:21] <_ian> thoreauputic: so, if its scaled down, could that make top look like its using 75% or the cpu, and because it thinks cpu is at 82% its running the fan like crazy?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> _ian: interesting question - I don't know
[09:21] <cafuego> _ian: The fan shouldn't run like crazy... unless something else is maybe generating heat.
[09:21] <Ashen> is the new/latest gnome in breezy? and if so, are the new features and things noticable??/
[09:22] <cafuego> Ashen: yes
[09:22] <Ashen> kewls :)
[09:22] <cafuego> Ashen: I particularly like 'beagle'.
[09:22] <tombalablomba> small question, does anybody have running openldap?
[09:22] <_ian> the fan is running like mad, feels hot, but I'm just running amarok and irc
[09:22] <Ashen> guess its upgrade time then :p
[09:23] <_ian> I installed sensord
[09:23] <_ian> but sensor-detect : command not found
[09:23] <ippiraman> any success on running a webcam on gaim or other im clients?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> _ian: what does "top" say is using your cpu up?
[09:23] <cafuego> _ian: Note I had an extra 's' in my command.
[09:23] <_ian> top: 67%
[09:24] <_ian> xorg:8%
[09:24] <_ian> and then smaller stuff
[09:24] <_ian> why is top using 67% of my cpu?????!?
[09:24] <tombalablomba> can u use a webcam with gaim?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> _ian: weird for top to use 67% :/
[09:24] <_ian> go it
[09:24] <cevizoglu> _ian: try without amarok for a while  :)
[09:25] <fredforfaen> amarok can use a lot of cpu sometimes
[09:25] <pvt19> hi\
[09:25] <_ian> w/o amarok, same thing
[09:25] <thoreauputic> _ian: sounds like top is on crack for some reason
[09:25] <_ian> yeah, but how?
[09:26] <_ian> the fan runs like crazy when top isn't running too
[09:26] <_ian> and kde task manager shows top using 35% right now
[09:26] <nalioth> _ian: does it do so with OSX?
[09:26] <nalioth> _ian: what generation ibook is it?
[09:26] <cevizoglu> _ian: what speed is your ibook?
[09:26] <_ian> ibook g4
[09:27] <_ian> bought it new in june
[09:27] <cevizoglu> ian: what is your ibook sitting on?
[09:27] <nalioth> _ian: you have a relatively new hardware type for a mac
[09:27] <kasz> Hi guys, i just installed a IDE extension PCI card, and lspci detects it as: 0000:00:09.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 13)
[09:27] <resty> 555
[09:27] <kasz> where do i need to install the drivers to for it?
[09:27] <cevizoglu> ian: what's the temp of the room you're in?  is the laptop charging?
[09:27] <_ian> my lap, nothing really blocking vents
[09:27] <resty> yup
[09:27] <lastnode> cevizoglu: got it
[09:27] <cevizoglu> ian: try sitting it on a wood board
[09:27] <lastnode> how do i use it?
[09:28] <Ashen> ooh... are the nvidia drivers working well in breezy?
[09:28] <_ian> its pluged in, not chargin, the room is prolly about 60 F
[09:28] <resty> [09:28] <tombalablomba> anybody got openldap working on ubuntu?
[09:28] <selinium> hi all, i am just installing wine to run IE for testing Websites. Am I setting myself up for viruses? Should I install it as a user not root?
[09:28] <cevizoglu> lastnode: I've never used it, I only saw 3-4 possible tools which would do what you were asking for
[09:28] <nalioth> cevizoglu: the ibook has no bottom vents
[09:28] <keikoz> you should use it as not root
[09:28] <bob2> selinium: you should certainly not be running wine as root
[09:29] <lastnode> cevizoglu: great, thanks
[09:29] <lastnode> what are the other two?
[09:29] <keikoz> but install it as root
[09:29] <_ian> ok, sensors_probe ran
[09:29] <Ashen> wine isn't always running, if you're just installing it for ie, then you can prevent anything from accessing any system files by removing wines emulation of your root... methinks
[09:29] <cevizoglu> nalioth: if the ibook is sitting on something with on air inbetween, it gets much hotter
[09:29] <_ian> the only thing it wants to add to /etc/modules is eeprom
[09:29] <bob2> kasz: lspci has nothing to do with whether the kernel supports it or not
[09:29] <cevizoglu> nalioth: er, with no air inbetween
[09:29] <_ian> does it do anything besides prob and output to /etc/modules?
[09:29] <cevizoglu> nalioth, especially when it sits on people  :)
[09:30] <selinium> keikoz bob2: So install as root, but never run it from inside root, yes?
[09:30] <keikoz> yes
[09:30] <bob2> selinium: you install IE as a normal user, too
[09:30] <selinium> keikoz bob2: Cheers guys
[09:31] <_ian> so, I ran the sensors_probe thing, where would I read the values if it worked?
[09:33] <selinium> bob2: Is it possible/worth creating a new group wine, and run things through that?
[09:33] <selinium> bob2: not that i'm paranoid or anything!
[09:33] <bob2> selinium: sure, you could create a whole new user if you like
[09:33] <Ashen> Ubuntu got support in the installer for reiser4 yet?
[09:34] <_ian> ok, wtf??
[09:34] <bob2> Ashen: reiser4 is not even in the upstream kernel yet
[09:34] <[Wiebel] > hmmz ok
[09:34] <Ashen> bob2: oh... *Cries* I wanna play with it ^_^
[09:34] <_ian> I've been holding the ibook up at an angle so its totaly off my lap for several mins, and the fan is still blasting
[09:35] <[Wiebel] > firefox + esddsp won't work, firefox + alsa ignores .asoundrc
[09:35] <resty> sfd
[09:35] <[Wiebel] > anoying ;)
[09:35] <bob2> Ashen: then build a new kernel, patch it, and use the reiser4 tools which are in ubuntu to make a scratch partition
[09:35] <cevizoglu> ian: are you still running amarok?
[09:36] <_ian> nope, amarock is closed
[09:36] <selinium> bob2: You make it sound soooo easy :0
[09:36] <_ian> top still uses 80
[09:36] <_ian> actually, I'm gonna reboot
[09:36] <_ian> I did a dist-upgrade
[09:37] <_ian> could that mess stuff up?
[09:37] <cevizoglu> ian: yes, it will make your laptop hot
[09:37] <_ian> no, the dist-upgrade is over, like 30 mins ago
[09:37] <cevizoglu> ian: I've seen it take a good 20 mins for a laptop to cool down
[09:37] <_ian> but having packages changed while they're running, could that mess something up?
[09:37] <_ian> well, thanks guys, I'll see what happens
[09:37] <cevizoglu> ian: how much memory / swap space?
[09:38] <Ashen> bob2: Maybe one day ^_^, despite it being tempting I really dont have the time *shrug*
[09:38] <_ian> 700 something ram, whatever ubuntu does default for swap
[09:38] <_ian> 733 mb used ram, 0 used swap
[09:38] <_ian> not sure about totals
[09:38] <cevizoglu> ian: seems ok for ram, not sure what you mean about swap
[09:39] <_ian> it says 0mb swap used, I'm not sure how big the partition is, ubuntu auto partitioned it
[09:39] <ippiraman> when i install new programs, will it be automatically included on the applications menu
[09:39] <aftertaf> for info, seems to be the fr. breezy repos that is suffering
[09:39] <bob2> ippiraman: depends on what it is
[09:39] <cevizoglu> ian: I'm running 10 different apps right now, including bittorrent which usually makes my laptop overheat, and I can barely hear the fan
[09:40] <_ian> mine isn't super loud, but running constantly and full blast
[09:40] <cevizoglu> ian: but then again, with the laptop sitting on my lap it overheats in a second.  right now it's on a thick board
[09:40] <cevizoglu> ian: sitting on my lap
[09:40] <cevizoglu> ian s/second/five minutes  :P
[09:42] <cevizoglu> ian: top should use less than 1% of your cpu, unless you've upscaled it
[09:42] <_ian> upscaled it?
[09:42] <selinium> any ideas why soundjuicer is ripping at 1.8x when my drive is 8x4x32? Can i speed it up?
[09:43] <cevizoglu> ian: not sure how to do it on linux.  on mac you would hit the up arrow key
[09:43] <_ian> what does it do?
[09:43] <cevizoglu> ian: it polls the cpu usage much more frequently
[09:44] <_ian> ah, its going about ever second
[09:44] <cevizoglu> ian: top could use 99% cpu that way
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> selinium, what kind of CPU?
[09:44] <_ian> thanks for the help, I'm going to sleep
[09:45] <cevizoglu> ian: ah, top -d 0.01 will make top use 99% of the cpu on linux
[09:45] <_ian> I'll keep that in mind next time I have too much cpu time
[09:46] <jblack> Does anybody know of a magic trick to get suspend to memory to work well?
[09:48] <FruityLoop> help
[09:48] <FruityLoop> upsi
[09:49] <FruityLoop> hallo da bin ich wieder
[09:49] <nalioth> !de
[09:49] <ubotu> I guess de is #ubuntu-de bitte.
[09:50] <tombalablomba> small question, anybody running openldap on ubuntu?
[09:51] <FruityLoop> <--- not me
[09:51] <FruityLoop> i like windows =D
[09:51] <tombalablomba> I also like windows, because else it gets to cold in my home
[09:51] <punkrockmcduck> good morning
[09:51] <toonX> can i use a command like , ls -R than pipe the output to something like cat (to search the content's of all the files ls -R finds , than pipe the output some a command like grep "word" to list on the standart output just my query ?
[09:53] <toonX> my problem is that i don't know how to make cat work just for files, because it tries to work on dirs too for wich i get an error
[09:53] <punkrockmcduck> just wanted to put in my two cents. Breezy kicks ass.
[09:53] <cevizoglu> toonX: are you using bash, zsh, ?
[09:53] <toonX> cevizoglu, bash
[09:53] <cevizoglu> toonX: you could get a faster, on-topic response at #bash (hint hint)
[09:53] <toonX> cevizoglu, yes thanks
[09:54] <gt> bob2 you there?
[09:54] <bob2> ?
[09:54] <gt> anyone?
[09:54] <gt> ok heres the thing
[09:55] <gt> can you link em to the site you gave earlier?
[09:55] <gt> i must be doing soemthing wtrong
[09:55] <gt> i installed them again....
[09:55] <bob2> it's linked from the FAQ
[09:55] <gt> and got it working i think
[09:55] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <gt> well i dont know where thats at
[09:55] <gt> thanks
[09:55] <gt> except that isnt a link
[09:55] <gt> look im pathtic
[09:55] <gt> i know it
[09:55] <gt> you know it
[09:55] <gt> i suck
[09:55] <cevizoglu> gt: add http:// to it
[09:56] <cevizoglu> gt: and stop flooding
[09:56] <pipoun> lol
[09:56] <toonX> cevizoglu, did get an answer or two on bash , thanks
[09:56] <gt> ....
[09:56] <pipoun> where can I find help on xorg?
[09:56] <bob2> that is the link
[09:56] <bob2> pipoun: here
[09:56] <pipoun> Tu modify the xorg.conf file
[09:56] <pipoun> To*
[09:56] <bob2> why would you modify it?
[09:57] <Kezza> i am running an NFS share between two ubuntu machines and it seems to take aaaages (like 2-3 minutes) for the NFS share to be mounted, any suggestions?
[09:57] <pipoun> because when I use the fglrxconfig scrit, it doesn't modify xorg.conf
[09:57] <bob2> so
[09:57] <bob2> don't use that script
[09:57] <gt> i did everythign it said to
[09:57] <bob2> instead, read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:57] <pipoun> but it creates X86smthing-4 instead
[09:57] <gt> but i see no nvidia splash screen
[09:58] <bob2> pipoun: ignore that, undo whatever yo udid, then read the above link
[09:58] <bob2> gt: rerun the nvidia-glx-enable ocmmand
[09:58] <kasz> I have a binary driver as a .o file, where do i need to copy it to?
[09:58] <gt> and i get like 6 frames per second with the stupid ant screen saver
[09:58] <gt> ok
[09:58] <bob2> kasz: what is it?
[09:58] <gt> just from the terminal?
[09:58] <Kezza> anyone?
[09:58] <gt> or what
[09:59] <bob2> gt: read the page again
[09:59] <kasz> bob2, a driver for a IDE extension pci card
[09:59] <bob2> kasz: and the card is?
[10:00] <pipoun> bob2, it's what I did
[10:00] <kasz> lspci says: 0000:00:09.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 13)
[10:00] <bob2> pipoun: no, it's not
[10:01] <pipoun> but when U use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I don't have all the options that I want
[10:01] <bob2> indeed
[10:01] <bob2> so
[10:01] <bob2> undo whatever yo udid
[10:01] <bob2> then follow the page I poitned you at
[10:01] <pipoun> because I also installed fglrx-control
[10:01] <bob2> yes
[10:01] <pipoun> after that
[10:01] <bob2> ignore that
[10:01] <bob2> if it odified your X config, undo whatever it did
[10:02] <pipoun> why I would undo something which is working, I jt want to add some more options
[10:03] <brownie17> can somebody please explain the linux sound sitiatuoin to me?
[10:03] <kasz> bob2, so what do i need to do?
[10:03] <bob2> it works fine if your apps are Free and modern
[10:03] <bob2> kasz: find out what driver it needs
[10:03] <pipoun> I want a dual head, so I installed fglrx-control which doesn't work, so I've decided to modify handly the file
[10:03] <bob2> kasz: if it needs a binary-only driver, you're probably boned
[10:03] <kasz> bob2, i have the driver on the cd
[10:04] <bob2> kasz: and the name of the driver is?
[10:04] <bob2> kasz: randdom binary only drivers are unlikely to work
[10:04] <aftertaf> is there a better way of upping to breezy than apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:04] <aftertaf> it doent seem to install all needed packages in one go that way.
[10:04] <bob2> aftertaf: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[10:04] <cyphase> is there an open source package that offers you a customizable home page, kind of like www.google.com/ig ?
[10:04] <bob2> aftertaf: if things don't upgrade cleanly, first time, pleae file bugs
[10:05] <cyphase> hmm, that wasn't worded right
[10:05] <aftertaf> ok bob2 :)
[10:05] <kasz> bob2, its not exactly random, its the debian3 driver from the cd that came with the card
[10:05] <bob2> kasz: 3.0?
[10:06] <kasz> bob2, presumably
[10:06] <bob2> then it's unlikely to work
[10:06] <bob2> 3.0's default kernel was 2.0
[10:06] <bob2> er, 2.2
[10:07] <kasz> bob2, there are mandrake 9.2 and redhat 9.0 drivers here as well, but i thought it would be better to use the debian one?
[10:07] <bob2> those are both old, too
[10:07] <bob2> and predate 2.6, iirc
[10:08] <kasz> im going to check their website, see if they have updated drivers available
[10:08] <bob2> what is the name of the driver?
[10:08] <Toolah> how do I load a dpt_i2o mod with a livecd so that I can access my hard drives please?
[10:09] <clem_yeats> The Drapper Drake ?
[10:09] <bob2> your harddrive needs an i2o module?
[10:09] <bob2> are you sure?
[10:09] <clem_yeats> lol
[10:09] <kasz> bob2, the filename is iteraid.o
[10:11] <Toolah> no ideas?
[10:11] <Toolah> apt-get update returns Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [483kB]
[10:12] <Toolah> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[10:12] <bob2> sounds like bad ram or something
[10:12] <Toolah> apt-get update apt
[10:12] <bob2> that's not how the update command works
[10:12] <bob2> kasz: is it too late to return it?
[10:12] <gt> ok
[10:13] <gt> still arent working
[10:13] <gt> but ive got bigger fish to fry... if youll help that is
[10:13] <gt> the biggest issue now is... grubb
[10:13] <Toolah> googled error msg and a page said it was a bug in apt
[10:13] <kasz> bob2, probably not, but iv found the source code for the driver on their website
[10:13] <gt> when i updated ubuntu... again i know nothing, it now has a list of ubuntus, and my windows xp is not there any more
[10:14] <gt> any way of getting it back there?
[10:14] <gt> any ideas bob?
[10:15] <bob2> kasz: that's still going to be a pain in the arse
[10:15] <bob2> gt: add it in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:15] <nalioth> gt: open a terminal and type "man grub"
[10:15] <poyie> ei
[10:15] <gt> thanks man you really area  ilife saver, though sometimes not the nicest, but definetly know your stuff
[10:15] <cevizoglu> gt: make a backup of menu.lst too
[10:15] <aftertaf> lol gt :D
[10:15] <poyie> how to see ubunto in winxp?
[10:15] <bob2> you can pay me to be nice
[10:16] <gt> wait sorry
[10:16] <bob2> for free, all you get is "right"
[10:16] <bob2> ;p
[10:16] <gt> naolith... that wasnt to you lol
[10:16] <aftertaf> poyie:  access the partitions?
[10:16] <poyie> ok
[10:16] <cevizoglu> poyie: yeah, from winxp, vnc to an ubuntu box
[10:16] <cevizoglu> poyie: oh, is that not what you meant by "seeing"?  :P
[10:16] <poyie> i allready shared my ubunto but  my windows is always asking for user and psswd
[10:17] <aftertaf> poyie:  you can get an ext2fs file viewer... but can't (iirc) write to it
[10:17] <aftertaf> poyie:  ok. i'm off track...
[10:18] <kasz> bob2, what directory is the kernel source in?
[10:18] <tga> kasz, /usr/src/
[10:18] <bob2> kasz: nowhere
[10:19] <bob2> kasz: please tell me it does't actually require the source to build
[10:19] <gt> how do i find out what to place in the list? the windows part is gone
[10:20] <gt> so i dont have anything to look at /cut and paste
[10:20] <Toolah> if I wanted to search my HD for a dpt_i2o module, what would the syntax be?
[10:20] <bob2> Toolah: sudo modprobe dpt_i20
[10:20] <bob2> or whatever
[10:20] <Toolah> FATAL: Module dpt_i2o not found.
[10:20] <Kytten> hey bob2
[10:20] <cevizoglu> gt: fdisk will show you the layout, but don't modify anything
[10:21] <tga> gt, http://www.google.ca/search?q=menu.lst
[10:21] <Kytten> still not working like u told me earlier
[10:21] <nalioth> gt: google for "menu.lst  windows  linux"  perhaps ubuntu
[10:21] <bob2> it's there in the install cd
[10:21] <bob2> perhaps the live cd doesn't include it
[10:21] <Toolah> bob2 how would I be able to get the module for the livecd?
[10:21] <bob2> Toolah: file a bug
[10:21] <kasz> bob2, it would atleast need the headers wouldnt it?
[10:21] <Kytten> when i do query modem it can't detect my modem
[10:22] <mdke> hi all, how does fglrx work in Breezy? indypende has upgraded and his 3d 9600 radeon doesn't work any more
[10:22] <mdke> any ideas?
[10:22] <bob2> kasz: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r), yeah
[10:22] <bob2> Kytten: so just tell it where it is
[10:22] <DaOne> is there someone here who can help me?  im trying to install ubuntu on another computer & everything went fine until i restarted & got an error saying that the CD i put in isnt a ubuntu CD.
[10:22] <bob2> mdke: if it doesn't work, file a bug if no one else has
[10:22] <mdke> bob2, i was wondering if the drivers were maybe included in x.org already, and fglrx was blocking em?
[10:23] <jo_e> I just got a geforce 4 mx.  After putting it in, my X didn't work, so I ran xorgconfig, and chose "NVIDIA Geforce" as my graphics card.  X starts with good resolution, but anything involving glx crashes.  after downloading nvidia drivers and tools, I ran "nvidia-glx-config enable" which told me "Error: your X configuration has been altered." I ran the command it recommended to update an md5 sum, which I did.  it seemed to complete success
[10:23] <jo_e> fully, but when I restarted X, it threw out error messages about not being able to open the display.
[10:23] <bob2> there's no package called "fglrx" in ubuntu
[10:23] <bob2> and never has been
[10:23] <bob2> only people who used alien without thinking have it
[10:23] <Kytten> bob2 if u please i need to talk to for 2 mins
[10:23] <bob2> Kytten: ...
[10:23] <Kytten> still not working and i did like u told me earlier
[10:23] <mdke> bob2, you know the one I mean though
[10:23] <bob2> Kytten: I told you what to do
[10:23] <Kytten> when i do query modem it can't detect my modem
[10:23] <mdke> bob2, xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:24] <Kytten> yup it can't detect it , it's installed and everything that chipset
[10:24] <lastnode> cant i get ubuntu to mount my hdds on bootup?
[10:24] <Determinist> my X seems to not work anymore :/
[10:24] <tga> lastnode, yes, you have to edit /etc/fstab
[10:24] <Kytten> but i can't detect it , i tried all those modems non of those works
[10:24] <bob2> Kytten: so, stop doing that
[10:24] <indypende> mdke, xorg...fglrx...quello li!
[10:24] <bob2> Kytten: I told you to just tell it to use the device directly
[10:25] <benplaut> what's the fastest mirror for breezy preview install & live? need the ISO to spread ubuntu goodness around my LUG :P
[10:25] <lastnode> tga, add sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[10:25] <lastnode> ?
[10:25] <bob2> lastnode: of course you can, edit /etc/fstab
[10:25] <Determinist> loads up till it displays the nvidia logo, then goes back to text mode, then back to the nvidia logo about 3 times till it announces it cant load X and freezes the system :/
[10:25] <Determinist> anything i could do to fix this problem?
[10:25] <bob2> lastnode: no, actually look at the file and see what the format is
[10:25] <Kytten> yes i did
[10:25] <Kytten> i didn't fix it my self
[10:25] <DaOne> can someone help me with installing ubuntu?
[10:25] <tga> lastnode, man fstab for information on the fields
[10:25] <aftertaf> Determinist:  try using the nv driver, or vesa driver
[10:25] <Kytten> but i think that detecting thing didn't find it
[10:25] <Gavrila> hi people, is it normal by now that I can't shutdown X from gnome?
[10:25] <Gavrila> in breezy I mean
[10:25] <Determinist> aftertaf, how, pray tell?
[10:26] <mdke> Gavrila, explain further
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: stop it
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: and read what I'm saying
[10:26] <Kytten> do i need to buy new modem and what u suggest
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: just tell pppconfig where the modem is, don't let it guess at all
[10:26] <Kytten> com3
[10:26] <bob2> DaOne: get cd. burn cd. boot cd. if you have specific issues, ask.
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: no, not com3
[10:26] <Kytten> id id
[10:27] <Kytten> what do u think
[10:27] <Gavrila> mdke, I'm with current breezy upgraded form hoary and I deleteled all my .gnome files... when I click oon log out or shut down it seems like the gnome-panel get stuck and I can't select anything on it... while I can still click on the desktop...
[10:27] <tga> methinks there should be two support channels for ubuntu stable and unstable.. there seems to be a world of problems with breezy
[10:27] <Kytten> it's works for my xp on com 3
[10:27] <Gavrila> then I have to kill mnanually X to let the shutdown (or the log out9 complete
[10:27] <mdke> Gavrila, no that is not normal
[10:27] <Kezza> it is unstable, it isn't supposed to work perfectly.
[10:27] <bob2> Kytten: stop it
[10:27] <bob2> Kytten: be quiet and read again what I said
[10:27] <Kezza> Kytten, , you need to start paying attention
[10:28] <Gavrila> Kezza, there are bugs which are "normal" in unstable things and other which are not
[10:28] <[Wiebel] > hmm
[10:28] <[Wiebel] > what happend to xorgcfg in breezy? :)
[10:28] <DaOne> bob2: iv got a specific issue.  iv managed 2 install it everything fine until i have 2 restart.  then when i do it askes for the ubuntu CD.  then when i put it in it says its not a ubuntu CD.
[10:28] <bob2> DaOne: perhaps the cd is damaged or it can't read it
[10:28] <bob2> DaOne: did you validate the CD?
[10:28] <Gavrila> BTW upgrading to breezy broke my snaptics touchpad... I can't drag icons anymore.. :(
[10:29] <mdke> Gavrila, check bugzilla and file a bug if there isn't one already
[10:29] <mdke> but it is likely to be there
[10:29] <Gavrila> ok
[10:29] <tga> that's what you get for using the unstable version.. file a bug or something
[10:29] <mdke> and fixed too iirc
[10:29] <Gavrila> mdke, thenit's "normal" :D
[10:29] <Determinist> bob2, any idea how to solve my problem mate?
[10:29] <mdke> Gavrila, there have been lots of problems with touchpads, if you upgrade I think they have been fixed by now
[10:30] <DaOne> bob2: no i didnt validate the CD...  but its the 1 i ordered of shipit.  what could be wrong?
[10:30] <aftertaf> Determinist:  what nvidia driver are you using?
[10:30] <bob2> DaOne: the cd could be broken; try validating it (boot into expert mode and select "validate cd" or whatever from the menu)
[10:31] <bob2> Determinist: sounds like X is misconfigured
[10:31] <tga> Determinist, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and check for errors
[10:31] <Determinist> aftertaf, erm, 7676 if i'm not mistaken
[10:31] <awormus> how is ubuntu with dual booting?
[10:31] <bob2> awormus: fine
[10:31] <awormus> I want to test it on my laptop
[10:31] <nalioth> awormus: just fine
[10:31] <mdke> awormus, it is not bad
[10:31] <awormus> is it pretty easy to install?
[10:31] <Determinist> tga, will do, thanks
[10:31] <nalioth> awormus: have at it
[10:31] <aftertaf> ok. NVidia binary...   have you removed the nvidia ubuntu packages?
[10:31] <mdke> awormus, choose the stable version
[10:31] <nalioth> awormus: like fallin off a log
[10:31] <aftertaf> Determinist:  both together causes a mess on my system
[10:31] <mdke> i lost my windows partition with the unstable version recently
[10:31] <awormus> nalioth: lol :)
[10:32] <nalioth> awormus: if you wait til oct 13, you can have the freshest ubuntu around
[10:32] <awormus> so it will resize my NTFS partition
[10:32] <mdke> awormus, yes it should
[10:32] <mdke> 8 times out of 10
[10:32] <nalioth> mdke: so ubuntu did you a favor?
[10:32] <mdke> nalioth, nope
[10:32] <aftertaf> lol nalioth
[10:32] <tga> awormus, be warned though that resizing partitions might break everything and eat your data
[10:32] <Determinist> aftertaf, by no means no. nothing has changed, just came back home at night from work after i left the machine on and unlogged as any user, it was frozen, after a reboot this problem appeared
[10:32] <awormus> nalioth: I'll wait, been playing with Linux for the last 5 years, can wait another mnoth
[10:32] <mdke> awormus, backup everything before you install
[10:32] <awormus> tga: new laptop, will backup everything
[10:32] <awormus> thanks
[10:32] <gt> how do i open menu.lst in readable writable? it says read only
[10:33] <tga> gt, use sudo
[10:33] <gt> ok
[10:33] <mdke> gt, with sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:33] <awormus> does the new one have gnome 2.12?
[10:33] <DaOne> bob2:  i had another small problem which i got around by running in expert mode: when it went to configure adp (or something like that) it came to a network test & wouldnt go any further.  any ideas?
[10:33] <nalioth> awormus: if you've 5 years exp, you shouldn't have any problems whenever you decide to install
[10:33] <mdke> awormus, yes
[10:33] <aftertaf> Determinist:  hmm...  change your driver in xorg.conf to "nv" and try again, if no joy change to 'vesa'
[10:33] <nalioth> awormus: yes it will
[10:33] <awormus> nalioth: never committed to anything though... still perfer windows on my workstation
[10:33] <Determinist> aftertaf, k, gotta reboot, bbiab
[10:33] <aftertaf> ok.
[10:33] <bob2> DaOne: I don't know adp is
[10:33] <mdke> awormus, Ubuntu will convince you to move
[10:34] <Kezza> what is the best way to troubleshoot NFS mounting?
[10:34] <nalioth> awormus: you'll have extra time with linux (wont be chasing viruses, or waiting for "terrible tuesday")
[10:34] <awormus> mdke: well, I fired up the liveCD on my laptop and was very impressed
[10:34] <mdke> cool
[10:34] <tga> there's nothing on the livecd that you don't get with other distro livecds
[10:34] <Kezza> awormus, just use hoary and upgrade to breezy later
[10:34] <tga> the fun is in the packages and community
[10:34] <Somada141> i've been battling to play divx/xvid in ubuntu for really long. is there a codec for all formats similar to ffdshow or not?
[10:35] <awormus> Kezza: so I guess upgrading is easy as well..
[10:35] <nalioth> Somada141: there are xvid/divx libraries available
[10:35] <awormus> that was the bane of all other Linux versions I've used
[10:35] <Somada141> i got some but the perfomance was terrible
[10:35] <cevizoglu> tga: the fun is in using an obscure cryptic system that no one else can figure out how to use..
[10:35] <Kezza> awormus,  Yeah.  as easy as running a command.
[10:35] <DaOne> bob2: i probably havent got it right.  :S
[10:35] <nalioth> awormus: yes, ubuntu is based on debian which begat "apt-get"
[10:35] <cevizoglu> tga: oh wait, that was linux 1997
[10:35] <tga> cevizoglu, there are better choices than linux for that
[10:35] <selinium> bob2: I have just built wine from cvs, what would you do about installing ie?
[10:35] <Somada141> then i got totem-xine but the quality went bad
[10:36] <tga> qnx comes to mind from my recent experiences
[10:36] <selinium> bob2: Security wise?
[10:36] <cevizoglu> tga: I'm joking, ubuntu is the opposite of that
[10:36] <Somada141> please someone i need help with that
[10:36] <tombalablomba> did anybody install openldap on ubuntu?
[10:36] <tga> !tell Somada141 about restrictedformats
[10:36] <nalioth> Somada141: do you have all your repos enabled?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Somada141: have you enabled dma on your drives?
[10:36] <cevizoglu> tga: no, I said hard to install.  qnx is insanely easy to install
[10:36] <tombalablomba> as i always run into the same SASL problems with it
[10:36] <bob2> DaOne: if you found out the exact name I might be able to help
[10:37] <Somada141> why?
[10:37] <bob2> selinium: install it to /usr/local/wine or whatever
[10:37] <Tzi> Hi!  Anyone else got problems with gdm on Breezy?  I fixed it by adding "|| true" in /etc/init.d/gdm, line 33...
[10:37] <Somada141> i don't play from discs but from the hard drive
[10:37] <bob2> selinium: installing IE as root is the issue, not wine
[10:37] <cevizoglu> tga: er, I guess I didn't mention installing.. time for sleep
[10:37] <selinium> hi nalioth thoreauputic! Fanct meeting you here! lol
[10:37] <nalioth> selinium: do i know you? :)
[10:37] <tga> cevizoglu, solaris is fun to install.. not hard but takes forever
[10:37] <DaOne> bob2: also, how do i log in as root?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: vaguely familiar nick... seen you somewhere...
[10:38] <Kezza> DaOne, sudo su - then set a password
[10:38] <Kezza> using paswd
[10:38] <Kezza> er, passwd
[10:39] <bob2> DaOne: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:39] <benplaut> how can i tell the compter to shut off after 2 hours?
[10:39] <Bateau_> hey!, i just installed apache, php and mysql (going to make som homepages). but when i try to do mysql_connect(); it says its an undefined function. what have i forgot?
[10:39] <bob2> benplaut: sleep 2h ; sudo shutdown -h now
[10:39] <bob2> benplaut: if you have passwordless sudo, anyway
[10:39] <benplaut> so
[10:39] <thoreauputic> benplaut: speak sternly to it and tell it to shape up ;)
[10:39] <selinium> bob2: THat is ok, i have installed wine as root. But how would you go about installing IE security wise? Would you create a new user and only use that for windows type stuff?
[10:39] <benplaut> just do it in a root term, anywy?
[10:40] <tga> benplaut, no need for the root term if you use sudo
[10:40] <bob2> benplaut: yes
[10:40] <bob2> tga: there is-ish in this case
[10:40] <benplaut> thanks
[10:40] <bob2> well, without doing more complicated shell things
[10:40] <bob2> selinium: Ideally, yeah, but I'd probably be too lazy
[10:41] <tga> bob2, shutdown gets ran as root anyway
[10:41] <Kezza> Bateau_, php4-mysql installed?
[10:41] <Bateau_> yupp
[10:41] <Bateau_> try uninstall, and reinstall?
[10:41] <selinium> bob2: Cheers for the pointers. One assumes then it can only mess up that user?
[10:42] <Kezza> Bateau_, nah..  I think there is something in httpd.conf you need to change.
[10:42] <Bateau_> mkay, what?
[10:42] <Kezza> if I knew that I would tell you :)
[10:42] <Bateau_> hehe, oki
[10:42] <Kezza> i haven't installed php, apache, mysql in a long time..
[10:42] <bob2> selinium: yes, tho it could theoretically spwe spam across the interweb, etc
[10:42] <bob2> you don't need to change any config files for that to work
[10:43] <Kezza> installing apache now..
[10:43] <Kezza> and php and mysql
[10:43] <lastnode> /dev/hda5 /media/fat fat defaults 0 0
[10:43] <lastnode> should work in fstab right?
[10:43] <tga> lastnode, vfat
[10:44] <tga> lastnode, also you need defaults,umask=0 if you want all users to be able to access that drive
[10:44] <CaiN_SA> bob2, when i do Xorg -configure it said : missing output drivers. How do i fix it ?
[10:44] <selinium> bob2: thanks for all your help, one of the main reasons for switching to *nix was to be rid of malware
[10:45] <bob2> CaiN_SA: don't run that
[10:45] <bob2> CaiN_SA: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:45] <tga> lastnode, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[10:45] <lastnode> tga, it's just me
[10:46] <nalioth> tga: i cant believe you did that
[10:46] <tga> huh? did what?
[10:46] <tga> lastnode, even so, your user will not have access to the mounted drive if you don't use umask=0
[10:47] <tga> nalioth, ubuntuguide is not much worse than irc.. at least it's a form of written reference
[10:48] <nalioth> tga reference needing a disclaimer not to wander from the destination
[10:48] <tga> same goes for irc
[10:49] <tga> I'm not saying it's great.. an official faq would be much appreciated
[10:49] <bob2> there is an official FAQ
[10:49] <bob2> and a doc team
[10:49] <nalioth> tga: more folks 'trust' web pages than irc (on irc you have a buncha folks going NONONONO when an arshole tries to pull a fast one)
[10:49] <bob2> tho I don't know what they're doing
[10:49] <bob2> Burgundavia: where can I find the official ubuntu guide for breezy these days?
[10:49] <nalioth> bob2: they're sittin around with beers, cigars and playin cards
[10:50] <nalioth> oh hi Burgundavia
[10:50] <nalioth> heh heh
[10:50] <Burgundavia> bob2, the faqguide http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[10:50] <bob2> neat, thanks
[10:50] <cevizoglu> tga: listen to the 'bot
[10:51] <lastnode> how do i run some bash commands i create and save in a file?
[10:52] <pipoun> type the name of the file in a console
[10:52] <tga> lastnode, either execute the file with `bash yourfile` or put #!/bin/bash as the first line and make it executable with chmod +x yourfile
[10:53] <nalioth> tga: nicely put (i was busy typing)
[10:54] <pointwood> anyone played around with postgresql and phppgadmin? I've just installed it (and apache2), but I'm unsure how to get phppgadmin to work?
[10:56] <tombalablomba> anybody experience with openldap?
[10:56] <tga> afaict the phppgadmin package doesn't configure apache2
[10:56] <tombalablomba> you could also try to manage it using webmin
[10:57] <phoenix_atlantis> Im using breezy and Im affected by the problem that my X is not anymore able to handle the swiss german keyboard layout - Is anybody aware if the layout problems should be fixed? So I might figure if it is just a swiss german problem or a wider problem - the german keyboard works though....
[10:57] <lastnode> tga, thanks
[10:57] <danst> Hi I am having a small problem with my session management (dont know if this is the right term for it) in ubuntu: last time I shut my computer down I wanted to try the "save session" checkbox. now I am having the problem that everytime I log in a terminal and some other windows open up. How can I prevent them from opening? I dont know how to make them not autostart!
[10:57] <tga> lastnode, np
[10:58] <tga> danst, close everything before you shut down and save the session
[10:59] <lastnode> tga that fstab edit didnt go too well
[10:59] <lastnode> does load up
[10:59] <lastnode> i have /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 defaults,umask=0 0 0
[10:59] <lastnode> oh and vfat in the middle
[10:59] <danst> tga, and how can i add some other programms to this autostart folder/script/?. I would like to have gaim startup everytime i login...
[11:00] <tga> lastnode: assuming hda5 is the right partition and /media/hda5 exists your fstab line looks good to me
[11:00] <Myrtti> pointwood: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure phppgadmin
[11:01] <nalioth> danst: do you use gnome?
[11:01] <Myrtti> I just installed it and it did ask whether to reconfigure what webservers
[11:01] <tga> danst, one way would be to manually add your commands to .xsession in your home dir
[11:01] <tga> I don't know where gnome saves its session info
[11:02] <nalioth> danst if you use gnome, try the system menu > preferences > sessions
[11:02] <danst> nalioth, yes i forgot to say i am using gnome
[11:02] <tga> hmm.. I never used that.. what file do the startup apps go in?
[11:02] <nalioth> tga: ~/.gnome somewhere
[11:03] <tga> ~/.gnome2/session
[11:03] <nalioth> tga: using the menu method is easier than editing files
[11:03] <tga> it looks nasty though
[11:03] <tga> true, but editing .xsession will work across window managers
[11:04] <danst> but right now there is nothing in the sys-menu >pref>sessions and nontheless it is starting up my terminal...
[11:04] <cbb> my system doesnt detect soundcard. what should i do?
[11:04] <tga> cbb, what sound card do you have?
[11:05] <cbb> old genius sound maker
[11:05] <tga> old as in isa?
[11:05] <cbb> yup
[11:06] <ippiraman> is cedega.deb available on the repositories?
[11:06] <tga> what does modprobe snd-card-fm801 say?
[11:06] <aftertaf> ippiraman:  cedega is $$$ware
[11:06] <thoreauputic> ippiraman: cedega you pay for
[11:06] <aftertaf> you have to pay
[11:06] <cbb> FATAL: Module snd_card_fm801 not found.
[11:06] <hettar> anyone here had problems with the intel wireless cards ??
[11:07] <hettar> I keep getting errors like [4378400.006000]  ipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
[11:07] <toxicle> hello guys
[11:07] <nalioth> ippiraman: if you feel lucky, you can approach "cedega-cvs"
[11:07] <gt> how do i get into run level 3?
[11:07] <toxicle> can you recommend a good console based bittorent client?
[11:07] <ippiraman> i see. i installed cvscedega but no games worked
[11:07] <gt> so as to close x windows?
[11:07] <bob2> hettar: it seems the hardware itself is shit
[11:07] <gt> if that correct
[11:07] <thoreauputic> gt: that won't close X
[11:07] <bob2> gt: you don't need to shutdown X
[11:08] <gt> how so
[11:08] <hettar> bob2, I never had any problems on hoary
[11:08] <tga> toxicle, btdownloadcurses
[11:08] <thoreauputic> gt: to stop X do :  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[11:08] <gt> and how will i get back?
[11:08] <toxicle> tga: apt-get install btdownloadcurses
[11:08] <nalioth> toxicle: either standard bittorent from bram, or bittornado
[11:08] <thoreauputic> gt: umm - same command, start
[11:08] <gt> figures
[11:08] <gt> thanks
[11:09] <nalioth> toxicle: you should have it already on your box
[11:09] <bob2> hettar: I've seen that error the whole time I've had a centrino laptop
[11:09] <gt> this channel is truely wonderful
[11:09] <toxicle> nalioths_dog: how to run it ?
[11:09] <toxicle> nalioth: bittorrent ?
[11:09] <tga> cbb, modprobe snd-fm801 maybe?
[11:09] <nalioth> toxicle: open a terminal and type "btdownloadcurses.py file.torrnt>
[11:09] <Determinist> ok, changed driver to nv and now X works...
[11:09] <Kytten> hey bob 2 i think i found the problem , once i click on the dialup to connect it's gives me this note ( /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read ask ur administrator to creatue this file with approriate read and write premission
[11:10] <Myrtti> btdownloadgui
[11:10] <henk> if i want to run the translucency stuff smoothly.. what kind of card do you need? whould and simple nvidia card do? or does it use a power gpu ?
[11:10] <Determinist> now i wanna find out how to get my nvidia drivers working again
[11:10] <toxicle> thanks i'll tryok thanks i'll try
[11:10] <tga> henk, I don't think translucency works smoothly on any card yet
[11:10] <Determinist> henk: i've seen very strong nvidia cards failing with that thing. it's still buggy.
[11:10] <lastnode> tga, it mounts fine
[11:10] <nalioth> Myrtti: he wants a console bt client
[11:10] <tga> lastnode, great
[11:11] <Kytten> guys anybody can helps me with that
[11:11] <Determinist> henk: but since nvidia still offer better drivers than ATI i'd say you should be alright with anything 6XXX
[11:11] <Kytten> to create a file
[11:11] <henk> i'm not talking about buggy, i'm talking about what whould run it once its mautre
[11:11] <bob2> Kytten: so, I'm pretty sure I told you to ignore that like 12 hours ago
[11:11] <Determinist> henk: definately nvidia 6XXX then
[11:11] <Kytten> hey bob 2 i think i found the problem , once i click on the dialup to connect it's gives me this note ( /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read ask ur administrator to creatue this file with approriate read and write premission )
[11:11] <cbb> tga: no output
[11:12] <Kytten> what can i do bob2 i need to fix it i am not plyaing here
[11:12] <tga> cbb, that's good, unmute all the channels with alsamixer and try making some noise
[11:12] <selinium> Hi all, i have just installed wine fom cvs, but as it is the first time I have used cvs, I am not sure if it is installed. typing wine in a term does nothing. Butthere was no failure in the cvs build?>
[11:12] <tga> cbb, you can also try to look at the last lines in dmesg to see what that module is doing
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Kytten: does /etc/resolv.conf contain nameservers?  cat /etc/resolv.conf to see
[11:12] <bob2> Kytten: ignore whatever gui crap you're using
[11:12] <bob2> Kytten: use 'sudo pppconfig' to set it up
[11:13] <bob2> Kytten: then 'sudo pon' to dial
[11:13] <tga> selinium, did you do a cvs build or did you just get the sources through cvs?
[11:13] <tga> wvdial should be alright too.. or the gnome thing
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Kytten: I agree with bob2 - sudo pppconfig is the way to go
[11:13] <Determinist> bob2: would upgrading to breezy from hoary require anything more than changing sources.list?
[11:13] <selinium> tga: both I believe! Following this tutorial.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[11:14] <bob2> Determinist: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[11:14] <Bateau_> how do i recompile apache2 to go with mysql?
[11:14] <bob2> Bateau_: you don't
[11:14] <Bateau_> uhm.. ok?
[11:14] <Kytten> thoreauputic : even if there is a file missing like that file /etc/resolv.conf
[11:14] <bob2> this is not redhat or gentoo
[11:14] <cbb> tga: output alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:14] <bob2> Bateau_: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql - Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication
[11:14] <Bateau_> but i want mysql :(
[11:14] <Bateau_> huh?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Kytten: just run sudo pppconfig and answer the questions
[11:15] <tga> cbb, I guess that wasn't the driver for your card
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Kytten: it should set up your dialup for you just fine
[11:15] <tga> cbb, sorry, I can't help much with ISA stuff
[11:15] <selinium> Bateau_, there is a walk through here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP?action=show&redirect=LAMPForHoary
[11:15] <Kytten> k
[11:15] <cbb> ok thanx anyway
[11:15] <tga> cbb, http://xlife.zuavra.net/columns/20040418/ take a look at this though
[11:15] <Bateau_> oki, thanks selinium :)
[11:15] <selinium> Bateau_, np
[11:15] <bob2> Bateau_: install that package
[11:15] <emdeex> mplayer crashes with a singal 11 on loading DVD's, anyone fixed this?
[11:16] <Bateau_> i allready have that package :x
[11:16] <selinium> bob2: I sent him to the LAMP on ubuntu wiki
[11:16] <toxicle> hi i'm back again .. installed bittornado .. but the command don't work
[11:16] <pointwood> Myrtti: thanks, but shouldn't I be able to access it at localhost/phppgadmin ?
[11:16] <toxicle> i'm on base install
[11:16] <toxicle> so that's why i want a console client
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Kytten: note that eg com 1 is  ttyS0, com 2 is ttyS1 and so on ( and don't give your provider a name unless you want extra typing beyong "pon")
[11:16] <toxicle> i don't have X
[11:16] <bob2> selinium: that's not what he/she was asking about
[11:17] <bob2> toxicle: sure it does
[11:17] <bob2> toxicle: dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin
[11:17] <thoreauputic> s/beyong/beyond
[11:17] <bob2> toxicle: that shows the executables it includes
[11:25] <toxicle> bobbyd: thanks
[11:25] <selinium> bob2: but they should be able to find what there after there tho?
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: thanks
[11:25] <lorenzod> Anybody using Gnome with openbox?
[11:25] <nalioth> toxicle: is the bittornado python scripts in your $PATH?
[11:25] <Determinist> bob2: any idea where i could find a good gnome alarm clock?
[11:25] <bob2> it's way less soul-crushing if you just ask your question
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: root@blackbawx:~# dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin
[11:25] <toxicle> root@blackbawx:~#
[11:25] <toxicle> nothing
[11:25] <gt> ok so i used that command you huys suguested
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Determinist:  sleep 8h && cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   ;-)
[11:25] <gt> it stopped at a thjing saying it was checking the battery status
[11:25] <gt> and wouldnt do anything
[11:25] <toxicle> nalioth: i do't know i just apt-get install bittornado
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: a) don't use root, b) "dpkg -l bittornado|tail -n1"
[11:25] <selinium> Any one used cvs to build stuff before?
[11:25] <gt> waited and waited and nothign, so i restated
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: ok i'll try and will be back :)
[11:25] <bob2> selinium: best to be a lot more specific
[11:25] <pointwood> anyone played around with postgresql and phppgadmin? I've just installed it (and apache2), but I'm unsure how to get phppgadmin to work? I've run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure phppgadmin" but that doesn
[11:25] <gt> bob, ya know, i think im starting o like your cut to the point ass attitude, and i mean that in the most sincere way
[11:25] <pointwood> * that doesn't seem to change much?
[11:25] <toxicle> back
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2:
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2:
[11:25] <toxicle> toxicle@blackbawx:~$ dpkg -l bittornado|tail -n1
[11:25] <toxicle> rc  bittornado     0.3.12-4~5.04u bittorrent client with enhanced curses inter
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: then you don't have bittornado installed
[11:25] <toxicle> hrrm
[11:25] <toxicle> bbl
[11:25] <gt> any ideas whats wrong bob?
[11:25] <bob2> I can't see your question on my screen
[11:25] <gt> ok
[11:25] <gt> i tried the commond you guys offered
[11:25] <gt> and it left windows...x that is... and went to a dos looking screen.. and then nothing
[11:25] <gt> no prompt
[11:25] <gt> just stopped at something saying it was checking the battery
[11:25] <bob2> I don't know what command you're talking about
[11:25] <gt> desktop pc btw lol
[11:25] <gt> the one to close x ,let me get it
[11:25] <selinium> sorry,  i have just followed the wiki for installing wine. it said build complete, but in the wiki it says it will continue and do the install, but that does not appear to have happened for me!  :)
[11:25] <selinium> wine wki at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[11:25] <selinium> *wiki
[11:25] <gt> sudo invoke rc d gdm stop
[11:25] <gt> puntuation removed
[11:25] <bob2> that will stop gdm, yes
[11:25] <bob2> and leave you at a login
[11:25] <aftertaf> gt:  you can try /etc/init.d/gdm stop too
[11:25] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: does the same thing
[11:25] <gt> what i need... is a way to stop gdm...and leave me witha  promp
[11:25] <thoreauputic> gt: so you login
[11:25] <gt> theres no promprt to login
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: sorry no go ... after i install bittornado .. issue dpkg -l ... i get the same thing
[11:25] <thoreauputic> gt: name <enter>, pass <enter>
[11:25] <gt> its just sitting there with some thing about batterys
[11:25] <aftertaf> gt: do CTL+ALT+F1
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: then you don't have it installed
[11:25] <gt> no im serious, theres no prompt, and no text shows when i type
[11:25] <gt> ok
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: the first two letters will be ii when it's installed
[11:25] <aftertaf> just black, with a _ top left ?
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: but i alreday have it installed ..apt-get install bittornado
[11:31] <bob2> toxicle: no, you don't
[11:31] <bob2> toxicle: show us the full output from apt, including the command you enetered, in #flood
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: i tried install bittorrent also the same thing happened
[11:31] <bob2> it sounds very much like you're ignoring the error from apt
[11:31] <toxicle> paste on channel #flood?
[11:31] <bob2> yes
[11:31] <toxicle> ok hold
[11:31] <aftertaf> gt: reboot, and when it switches from console to X on startup, revert to console with ctl-alt_F1
[11:31] <bob2> toxicle: bittorrent != bittornado
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: did you see that?
[11:31] <bob2> dpkg -L bittorrent
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: ok
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: I can't paste ... there's / before the line
[11:31] <toxicle> it shows list of files
[11:32] <cbb> toxicle put a symbol in front then
[11:32] <bob2> or use a less bad irc client
[11:32] <bob2> irssi handles it fine
[11:33] <toxicle> i'm on bitchx
[11:33] <bob2> anything is less bad, then
[11:33] <toxicle> cbb: many lines ... i can't tried already
[11:33] <bob2> sure you can
[11:33] <toxicle> how?
[11:33] <bob2> dpkg -L blah | sed -e 's/^/,/'
[11:33] <toxicle> u leet
[11:33] <toxicle> :)
[11:33] <toxicle> brb
[11:35] <toxicle> bah flooded
[11:35] <bob2> use irssi
[11:36] <toxicle> bob2: perhaps tell me how to use bittorrent ?
[11:36] <toxicle> just run the commandline right?
[11:36] <bob2> yes
[11:36] <crtr> Where I can see more repositories for my kubuntu ?
[11:36] <toxicle> the problem is i can't find it
[11:36] <bob2> crtr: what are you looking for?
[11:36] <bob2> toxicle: yes you can, dpkg -L prints it out for you
[11:36] <bob2> btdownloadcurses is perhaps what you want
[11:36] <toxicle> ok
[11:37] <crtr> repositories ..  more urls ?
[11:37] <toxicle> errr
[11:37] <thoreauputic> toxicle: dpkg -L bittorent | grep bin
[11:37] <tga> !tell crtr about repositories
[11:37] <toxicle> thanks
[11:37] <crtr> 10x
[11:38] <thoreauputic> s/bittorent/bittorrent
[11:39] <bob2> adding random other repositories is a terrible idea
[11:39] <toxicle> is it btdownloadcurses.bittorrent?
[11:39] <toxicle> mypapit: hi fellow malaysian :)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> toxicle: just tab-complete the command
[11:40] <mypapit> toxicle, hye
[11:40] <toxicle> ahh got it at last
[11:40] <toxicle> btdownloadcurses.bittorrent
[11:40] <toxicle> thoreauputic: thanks
[11:40] <thoreauputic> toxicle: if you hit tab twice you get a list of matches
[11:41] <toxicle> mypapit: what brings you here?
[11:41] <selinium> ok the install of wine is hanging on Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied    it does not matter if I chmod 777 this file either? any ideas?
[11:41] <bob2> wtf
[11:41] <toxicle> thoreauputic: got that ... don't even know the first letter so i can't inittially
[11:41] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me if there is any major speed difference between hoary & breezy? What about performance on a 128 RAM machine?
[11:41] <selinium> bob2: that aimed at me? :)
[11:42] <mypapit> toxicle, i always hang around here
[11:42] <tga> onkarshinde, if there happens to be a speed difference it's surely not major
[11:42] <mjr> onkarshinde, probably not that major differences on either count; 128 is a bit low, but should be doable
[11:42] <pazzesco> can someone point me in the right directions? Im needing some docs on how to turn Ubuntu into a web/email server.
[11:42] <toxicle> mypapit: oh ok ... didn't see u earlier
[11:42] <toxicle> mypapit: are you going to HITB?
[11:42] <tga> onkarshinde, you don't want to run gnome on 128M of ram.. try using a lightweight window manager like openbox
[11:42] <onkarshinde> mjr: I am currently running HOARY on 128 RAM. That is why I wanted to know.
[11:43] <mypapit> toxicle, no, i'm occupied with work in alor star
[11:43] <mjr> onkarshinde, right, well, expect mostly the same performance
[11:43] <toxicle> mypapit: allright .. if you come penang look me up :)
[11:44] <_van_> what about gnome 2.10 and gnome 2.12 performance?
[11:44] <toxicle> allright guys .. i'm off work ;P
[11:44] <_van_> is 2.12 faster?
[11:44] <onkarshinde> mjr: Ok. And how about if I make XFCE4 as my desktop environment? Is that faster than GNOME?
[11:44] <mypapit> toxicle, sure.. ;)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: yes
[11:44] <lorenzod> _van_: it feels so, as long as you avoid metacity.
[11:44] <mjr> onkarshinde, yes it is, though also less featured; you may want to experiment and make up your mind after
[11:45] <pluffsy> hello. I was here yesterday and had weird problems with dhcp (it just couldn't find my dhcp server). anyway, I tried to solve the problem with reinstalling ubuntu. I tried to reinstall two times, but at different places under the installation of ubuntu-base the installer displayed a red background and said the CD was broken.  I was just wondering if breezy is worth the wait?
[11:46] <pluffsy> bob2: because my cd-burner is broken, so I need to go over to a friend with my firewire disk and I wonder if I should burn a new ubuntu copy or try another dist.
[11:46] <bitje> hi Sionide.. what will you do do otherwise ?
[11:46] <Sionide> onkarshinde, oh, mis-read your question - i'd stick with hoary for now..
[11:46] <aftertaf> pluffsy:  burn another copy or download again....
[11:47] <pluffsy> aftertaf: I have checked the image file with md5 so it seems to be correct.
[11:47] <jo_e> how do I start the samba daemon? invoke-rc.d samba responds with "invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed."
[11:47] <aftertaf> pluffsy:  reburnage then dude ;)
[11:47] <pazzesco> selinium: thanx for that
[11:47] <pluffsy> aftertaf: yeah :)
[11:47] <tga> jo_e, /etc/init.d/samba start
[11:47] <bob2> pluffsy: so, why don't you just check?
[11:47] <bob2> pluffsy: boot expert mode and select "verify disk" or whatever
[11:47] <tga> jo_e, with sudo obviously
[11:47] <pazzesco> wich ver. of linux is Ubuntu based from if any?
[11:47] <bob2> verifying the .iso is of no use
[11:47] <tga> pazzesco, debian
[11:47] <jo_e> tga, "* Starting Samba daemons [fail] "
[11:48] <tga> jo_e, /etc/init.d/samba restart
[11:48] <selinium> pazzesco, no problem!
[11:48] <pazzesco> tga: thanx
[11:48] <jo_e> tga,  * Stopping Samba daemons...                                             [ ok ]
[11:48] <jo_e>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail]
[11:48] <pluffsy> bob2: didn't you read what I typed? when I installed it the second and third time it said the disk was broken. but when I first tried it didn't say anything like that, but dhcp was all weird. so I wondered if it was a far fetched idea that the dhcp problem was related to an unstable cd.
[11:48] <onkarshinde> Sionide: I don't have any net connection at present. So I will have to wait till breezy is final and I obtain my opy from somewhere.
[11:48] <tga> jo_e, sounds like your /etc/samba/smb.conf is bad
[11:49] <Sionide> onkarshinde, seems fair enough to me
[11:49] <jo_e> tga, I don't have one!
[11:49] <tga> jo_e, what exactly are you expecting samba to do then?
[11:49] <jo_e> tga, oh, yes I do
[11:49] <jo_e> tga, how do I know what is wrong with it?
[11:50] <tga> jo_e, take a look at the logs in /var/log/samba/
[11:50] <bob2> pluffsy: so, check it and find out?
[11:50] <pluffsy> bob2: oh you mean I should check the installed version?
[11:51] <bob2> pluffsy: I mean, verify the CD already
[11:51] <pluffsy> bob2: but the installer did it twice and failed.
[11:51] <Sionide> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/14/ubuntu-dapper-drake/
[11:51] <bob2> if the installer failed to verify it, the cd is broken
[11:52] <hadi57> hi every one, how do i burn CD's in ubuntu?
[11:52] <pluffsy> bob2: still for some reason it didn't find the error the first time. and it installed without errors, though with broken dhcp.
[11:52] <bob2> hadi57: insert a blank cd
[11:53] <jo_e> the samba log has "[2005/09/15 19:36:21, 0]  param/params.c:Section(280)
[11:53] <jo_e>   params.c:Section() - Badly formed line in configuration file: ] "
[11:53] <selinium> i cant finish the install of wine it hangs on Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied If i set perms to 777 it still fails. Any ideas people?
[11:53] <bob2> don't set it to 777
[11:53] <bob2> that's just asking for trouble
[11:53] <bob2> the problem is it can't write to /etc/
[11:53] <bob2> which is fine
[11:53] <hadi57> what if i want to erase the CD and burn new image
[11:53] <intelikey> hmmm on the install cd  what is the name of the partition tool  i don't see fdisk or cfdisk ?
[11:53] <bob2> but means you need to either fix $prefix or install it as root
[11:53] <bob2> intelikey: partman, part of d-i
[11:53] <gt> ok
[11:53] <hadi57> how to start the CD burning program what is it called?
[11:54] <gt> soi did everything the psge says about 5 times
[11:54] <Sionide> hadi57, apt-get install gnomebaker
[11:54] <bob2> hadi57: right click on the cd icon and select "erase"
[11:54] <nalioth> hadi57: when you insert a blank cd, a burning dialog will appear
[11:54] <gt> and no invidia splash screen
[11:54] <intelikey> bob2 there is no partman ???
[11:54] <hadi57> ah ok, thnx
[11:54] <gt> and no prewiew available for the 3d screen savers
[11:55] <intelikey> i need to partition a disk before i can install and i can't find any way to do that.
[11:55] <bob2> intelikey: yes there is !!!
[11:55] <bob2> intelikey: the installer prompts you to partition the disk
[11:55] <intelikey> no it didn't
[11:55] <gt> it did me
[11:55] <bob2> yes, it does
[11:55] <icc14> hello guys
[11:55] <intelikey> no it didn't
[11:55] <gt> ...
[11:55] <bob2> intelikey: so, stop arguing and tell us what steps your magic version of ubuntu had
[11:56] <thoreauputic> intelikey: *cough* seems you are in a minority of one
[11:56] <gt> any reason the ubuntu nvidia drivers arent working for me?
[11:56] <icc14> anyone up to the task of helping a noob set up his pc??
[11:56] <gt> yes
[11:56] <bob2> it's almost certainly because it's misconfigured
[11:56] <intelikey> when it gets to the part where it is trying to install the base system it turns red and says you must first partition ...
[11:56] <gt> go to isohunt.org
[11:56] <bob2> but guessing what's wrong is very hard fro ma distance
[11:56] <icc14> PM me pls
[11:56] <gt> download windows xp sp2
[11:56] <gt> burn iso to cd
[11:56] <gt> install
[11:56] <bob2> this is not a warez channel
[11:57] <gt> i know
[11:57] <nalioth> icc14: i see no noobs, but you may get help if you ask a question
[11:57] <gt> that wasnt a warez
[11:57] <bob2> also this is highly off-topic
[11:57] <icc14> pm me to help me
[11:57] <bob2> icc14: ask a question in here, or leave
[11:57] <intelikey> thoreauputic i am the one looking at the thing and it never offered to partition anything....  it is just erroring out on me.
[11:57] <nalioth> icc14: ask your question in here, please
[11:57] <brownie17> bob2 service pack 2 is completely free
[11:57] <icc14> ok
[11:57] <bob2> ok
[11:58] <icc14> how do i get my ubuntu to run windows apps and games
[11:58] <gt> brownie wsa confused
[11:58] <gt> wine
[11:58] <gt> or whatever
[11:58] <bob2> icc14: if you care a lot about windows applications and games, ubuntu is probably not for you
[11:58] <icc14> is there a util for ubuntu besides wine??
[11:58] <thoreauputic> intelikey: the default install gives options for partitioning like "guided" etc, from memory
[11:58] <tombalablomba> anybody experience with openldap on ubuntu?
[11:58] <bob2> icc14: you can buy cedega, www.transgaming.com
[11:58] <bob2> tombalablomba: just ask your question already
[11:58] <gt> in said case windows might be the best most performance biased option
[11:59] <icc14> windows cost more than ubuntu
[11:59] <bob2> icc14: and codeweaver's wine can be bought, too; www.codeweavers.com
[11:59] <gt> true
[11:59] <bob2> icc14: yes, so you need to make your own decision
[11:59] <gt> get windows 98 from somewhere, msoft doesnt care about it anymore
[11:59] <bob2> 19:56:57           bob2 | this is not a warez channel
[11:59] <icc14> thats y i need your help coz i cant afford windows
[11:59] <gt> hmmmm
[11:59] <hadi57> how to list all irc servers with x-chat so i can choose with channel to join?
[11:59] <gt> what games you wanna play?
[12:00] <tombalablomba> I've got good experience with codeweavers stuf
[12:00] <icc14> starcraft online, counter-strike online
[12:00] <intelikey> steps chose lang, chose keyb, sel&mount cd, load debconf files, load installer from cd, detect net, load installer components, detect hardware, install base system ERROR !!!!!
[12:00] <guillem101> icc14, try to find alternatives to your win programs in ubuntu (execpt for games)
[12:00] <bob2> hadi57: /list
[12:00] <thoreauputic> gt, icc14  off topic
[12:00] <hadi57> thx bob2
[12:00] <bob2> hadi57: which is useless, since most servers have thousands
[12:00] <_van_> how to update gnome to version 2.12?
[12:00] <bob2> _van_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[12:00] <icc14> pls help
[12:00] <bob2> _van_: note that it is pretty rocky
[12:00] <_van_> THNX
[12:01] <icc14> this channel is for ubuntu users right??
[12:01] <nalioth> _van_: install breezy when it releases
[12:01] <intelikey> ERROR = disk must be partitioned...
[12:01] <bob2> icc14: if you care about windows games, www.transgaming.com
[12:01] <bob2> icc14: you can purchase cedega to play games
[12:01] <geyzer> how can i change the text that appears when a users ssh's into my ubuntu server?
[12:01] <bob2> geyzer: /etc/issue.net, /etc/issue or /etc/motd, I forget
[12:01] <aftertaf> !equivalents
[12:01] <ubotu> methinks equivalents is A decent list of linux equivalents and analogues can be found here: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#1
[12:01] <thoreauputic> geyzer: /etc/motd I think
[12:01] <nalioth> intelikey: have you tried running a partitioner from another terminal?
[12:01] <geyzer> bob2: ok i thought it was a motd ta
[12:01] <gydagm001> cool >> something useful on this piece of crap!!!
[12:01] <geyzer> thanks
[12:02] <bob2> gydagm001: awesome attitude
[12:02] <gt> i concur
[12:02] <intelikey> nalioth i was asking what the command is and all i can get out of this channel so far is it did it for me....
[12:02] <gydagm001> managed to download a gameboy emulator tho!
[12:02] <intelikey> but it didn't
[12:02] <bob2> intelikey: there's no command
[12:03] <bob2> intelikey: I think you missed a prompt, but boot expert mode and select the partitioning stage yourself
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: open another terminal from your installer (or use a livecd)
[12:03] <vijay> hello i have an acer laptop TM2312 and loaded hoary on it
[12:03] <guillem101> gydagm001, cout << "what happens to you?" << endl;
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: in the new terminal, run your favorite disk partitioner
[12:03] <vijay> that has an atheroscard
[12:03] <vijay> the people at the #madwifi say there is something wrong with my acpi
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: when finished, return to the login window with the installation running in it
[12:03] <intelikey> bob2 i booted server-expert.   there is no selecting "partition *"
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: finish your install
[12:04] <bob2> intelikey: then go get a hoary cd
[12:04] <gydagm001> try the ftp site leg.uct.ac.za : has emulators!
[12:04] <intelikey> nalioth that assumes a linux system on the box in question.   there is none.
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: you can do what i am telling you from the installer disk
[12:22] <gt> put the hard drive in a windows box, and format it there
[12:22] <intelikey> bob2 this is a hoary hedghog cd  duh
[12:22] <vijay> my dmesg is put up at http://rafb.net/paste/results/FmR2RF44.html
[12:22] <bob2> intelikey: then boot the default installer
[12:22] <bob2> intelikey: if that works, file a bug
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: i had to do the same exact process on my mac the other day
[12:22] <bob2> and lose the attitude
[12:22] <intelikey> it will not boot default bob2 !
[12:22] <gt> use whatever os you used to make the cd... that whould work, to partition the cd
[12:22] <intelikey> i told you that hours ago
[12:22] <geyzer> is there a command that will show the cpu speed and amount of ram etc?
[12:22] <ghostdog> how do i find a broken link in the synaptic repository?
[12:22] <intelikey> it falls into a loop
[12:22] <gydagm001> ??? y is every1 here disscussing boring things?!!!
[12:22] <gt> ...
[12:22] <gydagm001> ...
[12:22] <aftertaf> gydagm001:  type /topic ;)
[12:22] <gt> this wasnt intended to be an "interesting" channel i dont think
[12:22] <thoreauputic> geyzer: cat /proc/cpuinfo  ; free -m
[12:22] <geyzer> thanks thoreauputic
[12:22] <gydagm001> o
[12:22] <gydagm001> soz
[12:22] <vijay> need help
[12:22] <aftertaf> u can go to ubuntu-offtopic for more chatty type chan..
[12:22] <vijay> i have an acer TM2312 with ubuntu loaded
[12:22] <gydagm001> join #madwifi
[12:22] <gt> anyone here know how to instal the nvidia drivrs?
[12:22] <gt> i tried the wiki method
[12:22] <vijay> it has a atheros card and i loaded madwifi
[12:22] <thoreauputic> gydagm001: this is a help channel - #ubuntu-offtopic for general discussions
[12:22] <gt> it aint working so far
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  dpends which ones...
[12:22] <gt> how do i cnfigure it if somethings configured wrong?
[12:22] <vijay> the madwifi guys say something is wrong with my dmesg
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  i used the nvidia binaries. the ubuntu ones did no good to me.
[12:22] <vijay> it is pasted at http://rafb.net/paste/results/FmR2RF44.html
[12:22] <gt> how do i use them?
[12:22] <gt> i want accelrated 3d
[12:22] <gt> that is most importnat
[12:22] <aftertaf> i cant help you for the ubuntu ones, they crashed my system
[12:22] <gt> i want official then
[12:22] <gt> i can get them working till they say i need to not be in x
[12:22] <mjr> hmm, are there hoary acroread 7 packages somewhere, or do the breezy packages install on hoary?
[12:22] <gt> then i dont knwo what to do
[12:22] <intelikey> nalioth the live cd wont boot in 32m ram  so it looks like this box can not run ubuntu.....  it can't run mdk either if that is any conciliation
[12:22] <gt> 32 mb wont run ubuntu i thought it required 128
[12:22] <intelikey> different reason. tho
[12:22] <intelikey> the install cd says 24m
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: you can partition with the install disk
[12:22] <concept10> Anyone here had success updating to breezy? (without many problems, bugs are expected) ...
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: i can walk you through it (in another channel) if you like
[12:22] <intelikey> ok nalioth walk me through it.
[12:22] <nalioth> concept10: yes, it's a rocky road
[12:22] <concept10> nalioth: are you on it yet?
[12:22] <guillem101> intelikey, 32m RAM? that is so '95... I guess RH4.2 or RH5.2 would be better for that box
[12:22] <aftertaf> concept10:  yep... but hair pulling and muchas apt-getting
[12:22] <gt> i would like to know how to get into a console, without x running, other than pressing alt cntrol f2 or whatever
[12:22] <nalioths_dog> concept10, i am on breezy. woof
[12:22] <gt> that seems to crash my pc
[12:22] <concept10> aftertaf: hair pulling for ?  im not worried about the package grab
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  nope, but its the nvidia ubuntu drivers that did the same on my setup.
[12:22] <guillem101> gt, don't run gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:22] <gt> i can get them installed i think if i can jsut get x turened off, and havea prompt
[12:22] <aftertaf> concept10:  ill let you know tomorrow, my home PC is currently on Broary ;)
[12:22] <gt> what should i run then?
[12:22] <aftertaf> or Heezy :D
[12:22] <guillem101> gt, also, you may chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm so it is not started
[12:22] <vijay> acpi setting help
[12:22] <galorin> I'm using the latest kubuntu.  Is there anything that I need to do in orer to get cd recording to work?
[12:22] <nalioth> gt: you can use the VESA driver for now
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  ^^^^---- yep
[12:22] <gt> i need performance
[12:22] <aftertaf> and remove the ubuntu nvidia driver packages
[12:22] <gt> rraw, unadulterated perfromance
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:
[12:22] <aftertaf> give us a chance!
[12:22] <guillem101> galorin, use k3b (or install it if not yet available)
[12:22] <gt> so i  uninstall the unbuntu drivers....
[12:22] <ghostdog> how can i change my display settings its kinda locked to 640x800 and has 60Hzs ? how can i change it ?
[12:22] <gt> run the chmod commmand so x wont start...
[12:22] <aftertaf> choose between a broken nvidia without acceleration, or vesa... you won't have "rraw, unadulterated perfromance" yet
[12:22] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[12:22] <ubotu> somebody said fixres was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:22] <nalioth> gt: you dont have to uninstall anything, just choose the VESA drivers
[12:22] <snorks> ls
[12:22] <gt> they will do three 2 well?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> ghostdog: see ubotu above
[12:22] <fortnox> Guys i am having a slight problem i use the fglrx drivers. When i run glxgears i get this error (Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".) why is it looking for xfree i am using xorg. this happend after i updated to breezy.
[12:22] <galorin> guillem101, it complained about not having cdrdao, I installed that, but k3b can't see the drive.
[12:22] <aftertaf> nalioth:  not sure..... the ubuntu =nvidia packages mess things up (imhe)
[12:22] <gt> ow do the official ones run?
[12:22] <aftertaf> better with the official nvidia.run file
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  go on the nvidia site and read... i learned that way ;)
[12:22] <gt> afteraf, what steps did you have to complete to run it sucesfully?
[12:22] <gt> ok...
[12:22] <snorks> man shell
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  they have a good step by step... but first you'll need to go VESA and remove the apt packages for nvidia.
[12:22] <aftertaf> try it... it worked for me.
[12:22] <ubuntu> hello
[12:22] <gt> f it this is too complicated
[12:22] <gt> i dont even care this much
[12:22] <gt> i give up on video drivers
[12:22] <selinium> bob2: the command I am using is sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib>>/etc/ld.so.conf;/sbin/ldconfig i cant see why it wont write to the file?
[12:22] <gt> ok there is one last issue in my instal
[12:22] <gt> whneever i reboot...
[12:22] <ubuntu> i just want to know if linux is better than windows
[12:22] <gt> i have to deactivate and reactivate the eth0 card
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: haha
[12:22] <selinium> bob2: go on! :)
[12:22] <gt> better? get ready for an argument wr
[12:22] <yang> is it universal?
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: because the writing to that file is done by your shell, not sudo
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: er, not echo
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: so even if it was sudo echo, it wouldn't work
[12:22] <gt> windows would seem the more compatible and suer freindly choice
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  your choice.... or wait in vesa/nv drives till breeezy comes out....
[12:22] <galorin> guillem101, cdrecord also fails.  I'm calling it by cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc and it seems like cdrecord locks up
[12:22] <bob2> ubotu: neither is better or worse
[12:22] <ubotu> bob2: okay
[12:22] <bob2> bah
[12:22] <yang> i dont like this room
[12:22] <bob2> ubotu: forget neither
[12:22] <gt> arent i on breezy?
[12:22] <ubotu> i forgot neither, bob2
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  and read the nvidia faq, it helps a lot
[12:22] <gt> im on breezy
[12:22] <bob2> nvidia on breezy seems kinda broken
[12:22] <_van_> =] ] ]
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  it isnt stable yet......
[12:22] <aftertaf> bob2:  hehe
[12:22] <gt> so they will mkae drivers for breezy that are faster?
[12:22] <Determinist> ok, got my system back to working the way i like it :D
[12:22] <gt> cause when they actually work, and show the 3d screen savers... the ubuntu ones are just slow, not bad
[12:22] <selinium> bob2: so sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf;/sbin/ldconfig   then?
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: yes
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  i dont know.... i use the nvidia drivers from nvidia, only way i can have accelerated X
[12:22] <gt> so they do work?
[12:22] <gt> jesus i just cant figure out how to instal them
[12:22] <gt> this is enraging
[12:22] <thoreauputic> gt: I suggest you use hoary until breezy is released
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt: my advice, to leave or to follow, is this:
[12:22] <selinium> yang: wgat up?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> gt: you are just making your life harder
[12:22] <selinium> yang: whats up?
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  remove the nvidia packages with synaptic, then modify xorg.conf to use vesa, then go to nvidia website and download the driver (read the howTo), then install it.
[12:22] <gt> ok gravy
[12:22] <gt> how do i modify xorg?
[12:22] <nalioth> anyone know what sort of fdisk comes on the installer?
[12:22] <Belutz> gt: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <aftertaf> thx Belutz ;)
[12:23] <Determinist> is there a way to make sudo not ask for a password, as in supply one for it using cmdline from a shortcut? there are afew tools i use often and am tired to keep typing the password all the time
[12:23] <Belutz> aftertaf: no worries mate :)
[12:23] <aftertaf> late for food as it is ;)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> intelikey: why are you on IRC as root?
[12:23] <galorin> Determinist, visudo and edit the definitions there
[12:23] <nalioth> pretty weird, the installer not having a fdisk on it
[12:24] <Determinist> galorin: thanks
[12:24] <gt> ok so when i restart in vesa mode.
[12:24] <gt> will x still be running?
[12:24] <bob2> nalioth: it's a debian-installer module called partman
[12:24] <nalioth> bob2: thanks
[12:24] <intelikey> ok i'm back and i still want to hear it one more time.   is there any way to manually invoke the partitioner on the ub install cd hoary ?
[12:24] <intelikey> thoreauputic i'm not.
[12:24] <gt> is there any way to instal the nvidia drivers while x is on still?
[12:25] <Determinist> intelikey: your host suggests you are...
[12:25] <_van_> is breezy stable enough now to use it on a desktop PC?
[12:25] <bob2> intelikey: boot expert mode, choose the partition option
[12:25] <Determinist> gt: nope, at least not that i know of. what's the issue with closing X tho?
[12:25] <bob2> _van_: apparently not if you care about the nvidia modules
[12:25] <gt> it seems to hang
[12:25] <intelikey> no my irc client suggests i am, because i told it to.
[12:25] <gt> at the screen that looks like dos
[12:25] <thoreauputic> intelikey: could have fooled me... /whois intelikey says you are
[12:25] <Determinist> Seveas: lo mate
[12:25] <gt> shows lots of text and stops at detecting the battery
[12:26] <thoreauputic> intelikey: but whatever
[12:26] <nalioth> intelikey: please return to school
[12:26] <nalioth> intelikey: i can help you now
[12:26] <intelikey> bob2 is there a differance in expert and server-expert ?
[12:26] <smott> okay i have a tangentially related question... where is the backslash on the US keymap?
[12:26] <intelikey> nalioth ?
[12:26] <_van_> bob2, ye i care..but i want to try gnome 2.12, how to install it without upgrading to breezy then?
[12:26] <Determinist> smott: near the right shift button?
[12:26] <Seveas> oi
[12:27] <gt> under the back space key?
[12:27] <nalioth> intelikey: i have the information necessary to help you. return to school please
[12:27] <bob2> intelikey: why don't you try and see?
[12:27] <Determinist> _van_: garnome... and alot of headache
[12:27] <holy_cow> _van_, downlod the live cd
[12:27] <bob2> _van_: just wait
[12:27] <holy_cow> why intall it at all?
[12:27] <bob2> come on folks, no need to get snippy
[12:27] <galorin> hmm looks like it's a HW prob with my cd-burner.  Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not...   fun
[12:27] <LaserLine> Hello all, I have a slight problem - I have an HP NX9030 laptop that came preinstalled with Windows XP PRO (I have the original cd came with the laptop).
[12:27] <LaserLine> I wiped the drive, and Installed only linux. Now before breezy comes, I want to dual boot XP and Breezy, So I wiped the drive again (killdisc) and when I try to install XP - I recieve a cd key error - because I have 2 letters/numbers wiped from the sticker.... and I can't read them - What can I do ?
[12:27] <intelikey> nalioth ?
[12:27] <holy_cow> *oops* sorry!
[12:27] <_van_> ok, then i i'll just have to wait...
[12:27] <holy_cow> didn't mean for that to be interpreted as sinppy :)
[12:28] <holy_cow> _van_, why wait, download the live cd bro :)
[12:28] <gt> lasere line
[12:28] <gt> call msoft
[12:28] <galorin> LaserLine, guess?
[12:28] <gt> or guess
[12:28] <gt> or get a hammer
[12:28] <gt> and apply it to the cd
[12:28] <_van_> holy_cow,  no :]  it'll be more interesting to wait :)))
[12:28] <holy_cow> _van_, hehe :)
[12:29] <galorin> I prefer gt's last idea.  Very practical.
[12:29] <holy_cow> _van_, indeedy it well, breezy is looking really really great!
[12:29] <smott> Determinist: how am i supposed to produce it though :/
[12:29] <holy_cow> i'm running it on a spare p400 believe it or not
[12:29] <_van_> holy_cow, and there'll be no problems with nvidia on the stable release?
[12:29] <LaserLine> galorin I tried, but It locks up every time.... Isn't there a utility that I can extract the cdkey from the CD itself ?? I know you can extract the cdkey from the registry... but from the CD itself I Can't find any..
[12:29] <holy_cow> its actually very very usable
[12:29] <gt> the hammer application to the cd of course is likelt because someone who comes to an irc chanel knows exactly what to do whena cd key is lost...
[12:30] <holy_cow> van that drives get recompiled for  you, if they don't get recompiled you can always use the debian method of installing them
[12:30] <Determinist> smott: hmm?
[12:31] <smott> Determinist: which keys to press to get the backslash character (this is related to ubuntu in that i cant get it to use my own keymap heh)
[12:31] <holy_cow> bob2, you work for canonical, correct?
[12:31] <Determinist> smott: erm, not sure really...
[12:31] <chickboiec> need help
[12:31] <galorin> LaserLine, to the best of my knowledge, XP uses funky math to come up with the cd keys, so any valid cd key would work.. but I don't know, seeing as I haven't used XP
[12:31] <chickboiec> pm me ? anyone
[12:31] <holy_cow> LaserLine, call ms, they will help you out
[12:31] <galorin> chickboiec, just post it in here
[12:32] <nalioth> chickboiec: ask in channel here where the group mind can think
[12:32] <chickboiec> u see i have the cedega 4.3 and winex how can i use it
[12:32] <gt> i hear applying a handgrenade to any oen who comes to a linux channel to ask about xp helps
[12:32] <holy_cow> LaserLine, that is the correct way of dealing with that
[12:32] <chickboiec> actually i havent install it yet
[12:32] <Seveas> nalioth of borg has spoken :D
[12:32] <chickboiec> couse i loose my root password
[12:32] <bob2> holy_cow: no
[12:32] <nalioth> Seveas: we ARE a collective mind in here
[12:32] <holy_cow> LaserLine, their customer service for that situation is actually quite decent, they usually believe anything you say as long as you say you bought it or whatever
[12:32] <nalioth> Seveas: just not to friendly at times, lol
[12:32] <Belutz> LaserLine: why don't you contact Microsoft?
[12:32] <galorin> chickboiec, that sounds like fun..
[12:32] <LaserLine> Holy_cow, because Thee laptop is HP (I have a balck HP Windows CD) they say HP supports me... but HP says microsoft - I'm in the middle !!!!!! I hate this.
[12:33] <intelikey> and i guess im root......   not.
[12:33] <jeanre> hi all
[12:33] <Seveas> We are the ubuntu, prepare to be assimilated, resistance is futile :D
[12:33] <gt> he wants us to tell him a crack/srial site
[12:33] <gt> thats what this is all about
[12:33] <jeanre> when I try to install php4 on warty I get an error
[12:33] <holy_cow> LaserLine, call back, don't tell them what laptop it is
[12:33] <chickboiec> ask? can i still play ragnarok, warcraft and gunbound using ubuntu?
[12:33] <jeanre>   php4: Depends: libmm13 but it is not installable
[12:33] <holy_cow> LaserLine, oh wait, oem winxp then?
[12:33] <gt> call them and say you are bill gates daughter, and you cant turn your pc on
[12:33] <galorin> Quick question, Anyone in here running the ipw2200 chipset?
[12:33] <holy_cow> LaserLine, well welcome to linux, you wont get that type of runaround here
[12:33] <chickboiec> ask? can i still play ragnarok, warcraft and gunbound using ubuntu?
[12:34] <jeanre> can anyone help me?
[12:34] <LaserLine> Holy_Cow Yes. Black XP CD. "support for this cd provided by XP"
[12:34] <holy_cow> bob2, ah k.  i'll ask my q in a more generic way then
[12:34] <gt> he ment hp i think
[12:34] <jo_e> where are packages cached when apt-get downloads them?
[12:34] <LaserLine> holy_cow I know, I love linux - it's great ! (I don't play so I don't care about 3D graphics)
[12:34] <bob2> holy_cow: (used to)
[12:34] <jeanre> apache installed fine
[12:34] <bob2> jo_e: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:34] <LaserLine> holy_cow Is there a way ? HP Support sucks !
[12:34] <thoreauputic> jo_e: /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:35] <holy_cow> LaserLine, if thats the case, buy vmware and run win in that
[12:35] <holy_cow> i do
[12:35] <gt> laser line
[12:35] <jeanre> bob2: any ideas on my issue