[17:39] <Charcoalcat> nbusrone: Hm, that's a good plan, thanks.
[17:42] <whitor> daftykins, Random lockups ... you told me to do this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9683274/
[17:42] <momomo> can someone cat me a good : cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:43] <whitor> locked up while we were conversing
[17:43] <bubbasaures> momomo, http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[17:44] <momomo> bubbasaures, that is way too many options
[17:44] <nbusrone> Charcoalcat : There's no telling what could happen once you upgrade .I'd rather installation a 14.04 on different partition and copying those setting and firefox one by one , It's too risky to upgrade since setting may get reset after upgraded like theme or launcher
[17:45] <artiomjar> debootstrap cannot exclude hostname package. why?
[17:45] <bubbasaures> momomo, That will give you a sources.list the same as a release
[17:46] <theadmin> momomo: What Ubuntu version are you on? I'll gib you the default.
[17:48] <Charcoalcat> nbusrone: That makes sense! I hadn't thought about partitioning. I just found my blank CDs today, too, so it shouldn't be hard to make a 14.04 Live CD.
[17:49] <lolzer> @ Charcoalcat  why not try a bootable pendrive?
[17:50] <momomo> theadmin, i am on 14.04
[17:50] <bubbasaures> momomo, Sorry it appears that channel may be having problems, it looks different than it did.
[17:51] <bubbasaures> webpage that is
[17:51] <theadmin> momomo: http://hastebin.com/raw/uzajohiqos - here take
[17:51] <Charcoalcat> lolzer: I think my pendrive is 8GB or less.
[17:52] <isantop> Charcoalcat: 8GB should be large enough to put Ubuntu on.
[17:53] <momomo> great, thanks both!
[17:53] <nbusrone> Charcoalcat : it need a dvd for 14.04
[17:55] <momomo> theadmin, you have duplicate entries ;P
[17:55] <Charcoalcat> nbusrone: Oh, that's slightly more annoying, but I can just install it from a USB thing instead, then.
[17:55] <Charcoalcat> lolzer, isantop: Okay, I'll try that first if I can find a device for it.
[17:55] <theadmin> momomo: Where?
[17:56] <theadmin> momomo: I do not... There are deb and deb-src lines, sure, but those are different
[17:56] <zr0> if i update one driver source file, how can i rebuild the kernel such that it just rebuilds that one driver and links it in?
[17:57] <nbusrone> Charcoalcat : ok :)
[17:57] <momomo> theadmin, ah, yes.. but I get this complaint: http://hastebin.com/owujutiyag.mel
[17:58] <Charcoalcat> Thanks for those suggestions!
[17:58] <momomo> thats when I run apt-get update
[17:59] <theadmin> momomo: Right umm, check your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:59] <theadmin> Also you can get rid of staff in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and retry
[17:59] <theadmin> Usually helps.
[18:03] <momomo> me so happy
[18:03] <momomo> but the gp error remains
[18:03] <momomo> gpg
[18:05] <theadmin> Right, that's an issue I'm not sure how to solve
[18:05] <isantop> momomo: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[18:06] <isantop> momomo: That should fix the issue.
[18:09] <nubbybuntu> hi everyone!
[18:11] <bubbasaures> momomo, Here try this a nice script from a regular here for just this sort of issue. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/194797
[18:11] <bubbasaures> first post
[18:11] <guest7654> Question: when I run `apt-cache --installed show weston` I get two different versions. When I look in Aptitude I only see one version. How do I handle both versions in Aptitude?
[18:11] <nubbybuntu> i explain my problem, after recover my data from casper-rw (live session) i was bored of this "initram-fs" things to do, so my question is: if i make a persistence file on an sd, can i mount my user on it and use it in the live?
[18:12] <popey> guest7654: that command syntax is incorrect?
[18:12] <popey> guest7654: E: Command line option --installed is not understood
[18:13] <bubbasaures> nubbybuntu, So what is the end goal use of this, kinda the hard way around on some context.
[18:13] <bubbasaures> in*
[18:13] <guest7654> popey: It works for me
[18:13] <popey> guest7654: on ubuntu? what version?
[18:14] <nubbybuntu> yup i know, the reason is that i keep my user on different and backedup memory
[18:14] <guest7654> popey: On Raspberry Pi :(
[18:14] <popey> guest7654: thats not ubuntu
[18:14] <theadmin> guest7654: Raspberry Pi runs Debian, not Ubuntu
[18:15] <momomo> great, thanks guys. you are fantastic. google was aweful trying to find the proper solutions!
[18:15] <guest7654> theadmin: Right, sorry
[18:15] <guest7654> theadmin: Do you think #debian will be helpful
[18:15] <momomo> which si strange because alot of people are having similar issues
[18:15] <theadmin> guest7654: Most probably, there's also #raspberrypi
[18:17] <bubbasaures> nubbybuntu, Ah, well not sure on the mount of user in this scenario.
[18:17] <nubbybuntu> i tried mount "it_bu" from the backup in "home" but it didn't work,  maybe i have to add something  like a config file
[18:18] <mekhami> i've got a file open in sublime text and it's saying i can't save it because it's in read only mode. i look in ps -aux and there's nothing working on the file, as far as i can tell, but all of a sudden i can't save any files. (I was just saving them moments ago.)
[18:18] <nubbybuntu> and maybe assing like an usergorup... you know, standard user things
[18:19] <nubbybuntu> the backup was really esay... if just do something like this would be easy... :D
[18:19] <bubbasaures> nubbybuntu, You could chroot either way, not sure that is what you want.
[18:19] <jhutchins> mekhami: Perhaps ls -l would show you the permissions on that file.
[18:20] <mekhami> -rw-rw-rr
[18:20] <mekhami> err
[18:20] <mekhami> -rw-rw-r--
[18:22] <Ameurux> hi
[18:22] <Ameurux> is Unity 8 gonna be next 15.04???
[18:22] <bubbasaures> momomo, Did you try that script and it is all fixed, just curious really?
[18:24] <xangua> Ameurux: ask that again in one year, also future ubuntu questions are in #ubuntu+1
[18:40] <bahoo> Semi-newb question: why canŌĆÖt I install Postgres 9.4? Directions here say `apt-get install postgresql-9.4` http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/ubuntu/
[18:40] <bahoo> but it returns: E: Unable to locate package postgresql-9.4
[18:41] <Pici> bahoo: 9.4 isn't in the Ubuntu repositories.
[18:42] <Pici> bahoo: Either use 9.3, or choose to use postgres's own apt repository, by following the directions further down on that page. 9.4 was just released about 2 weeks ago.
[18:43] <Pici> bahoo: actually, I guess its in 14.10 now... just not on 14.04
[18:43] <Pici> still, its only an RC in 14.10, not the final.
[18:46] <skypce> hey guys test my linux distro a lot of hours of work i hope like you: https://sourceforge.net/projects/unidockynapse/
[18:46] <bahoo> Thank you @Pici
[18:47] <esde> ..
[18:51] <ToreF> siani
[18:52] <Chealsea_Jurgens> Hi everyone. New to linux. Do you guys suggest a "best" office suite in terms of compatibility with MS office documents? So word, excel, powerpoint. Not so much worried about features, but simply compatibility when sending to windows users. Between LibreOffice, KingSoft & Apache Open Office. Thanks
[18:52] <yacc> Any recommendations for a Tablet+Keyboarddock (or convertible) in the $300-$400 price range that will work with Ubuntu?
[18:52] <yacc> Basically what are you guys running Ubuntu on?
[18:54] <wonderworld> Chealsea_Jurgens: send PDF
[18:55] <Chealsea_Jurgens> huh?
[18:55] <Chealsea_Jurgens> for word and spreadsheets?
[18:55] <alfonz2> yacc, only PC
[18:55] <alfonz2> yacc, have u tried it on cellphone, smartphone?
[18:55] <flux242> yacc: I bought acer c720 chromebook a year ago for 170 euro and installed xubuntu on it. I'm happy with it
[18:56] <Surendil> Chealsea_Jurgens: libreoffice or openoffice would be the better choice
[18:56] <yacc> flux242: C720 => Using the chroot solution or a real native Ubuntu install?
[18:57] <wonderworld> Chealsea_Jurgens: if the other party does not need to edit the document PDF is the best choice
[18:57] <flux242> yacc: I have removed everything that was installed first
[18:57] <Chealsea_Jurgens> thanks surendil
[18:58] <Chealsea_Jurgens> wonderworld, they may need to make edits, never know. just trying to see which one is most compatibile should it arise
[18:58] <yacc> flux242: So it does not boot ChromeOS anymore?
[18:58] <flux242> no
[18:59] <SuperLag> Have any of you experience this kind of font issue with Chrome on Ubuntu? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/913175/crappy_fonts_chrome.png
[19:00] <flux242> chromeos is a waste why keep it?
[19:01] <Guest21590> I installed Ubuntu, but it's not bootingŌĆöit doesn't even get to GRUB. The firmware doesn't seem to recognize it.
[19:01] <SuperLag> flux242: why do you say ChromeOS is a waste?
[19:02] <trijntje> Guest21590: what do you see when you start the pc?
[19:02] <Guest21590> I've tried boot-repair, which also said it succeeded, but didn't change anything in that I still get the same error.
[19:02] <Guest21590> Black screen, white text: ' Reboot and select proper Boot device\nor Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key'
[19:03] <Guest21590> Where the \n is an actual newline
[19:03] <flux242> SuperLag: because brauser is not the only thing I need for work
[19:03] <flux242> browser
[19:04] <SuperLag> trijntje: is your name a Dutch word? If so, what does it mean?
[19:04] <Guest21590> I'm currently booted to the livedisk I used to install Ubuntu, using my phone for IRC. I don't have any other computers around.
[19:07] <sokoll> Can anyone on here help me with an SCP question?
[19:07] <yacc> flux242: ok, that looks like a nice device, although nowadays it seems to be more like Ōé¼270 :(
[19:07] <Guest21590> sokoll: back away slowly, don't blink?
[19:07] <sokoll> Guest21590: haha
[19:08] <Guest21590> :)
[19:08] <flux242> yacc: 270? damn
[19:08] <MasterPiece> How can I get @ubuntu/member ?
[19:08] <sokoll> I am trying to SCP a tar.gz file to a server, I just successfully SCP'd a file earlier with the same permissions / ownership etc to exactly the same folder on the same server
[19:09] <yacc> flux242: http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=nb&asd=on&asuch=C720
[19:09] <sokoll> but the tar.gz file gives: scp: /home/ubuntu/data.tar.gz: Permission denied
[19:09] <yacc> But beyond ChromeBooks the list of supported devices under Ubuntu seems to be shrinking from year to year :(
[19:12] <yacc> Any other suggestions for hardware (convertible, on the cheap side, able to run Linux)
[19:12] <trijntje> sokoll: that command doesnt look right at all, why is there a colon after scp and where is the destination
[19:12] <SuperLag> yacc: why is it Canonical's responsibility to certify hardware? Don't they have enough to do already?
[19:12] <theguy312>  Can I somehow show nautilus script menu when clicking on desktop? (no selected file)
[19:13] <SuperLag> yacc: I've had good luck, in general, with ThinkPads.
[19:13] <SuperLag> yacc: I'm running on a ThinkPad W530, but it's not cheap. It's a beast of a machine.
[19:13] <yacc> SuperLag: I don't want certified hardware, I'm perfect happy with hardware that is even capable to boot Ubuntu.
[19:13] <SuperLag> yacc: **LOTS** of hardware boots Ubuntu.
[19:13] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: I had a good experience almost all systems(thinkpads, notebooks), but the ones with Nvidia Optimus cards always gave problems
[19:13] <Guest21590> trijntje: did you see my reply?
[19:14] <SuperLag> _war10ck_: my W530 has an Optimus. No issues here.
[19:14] <Midoshi27> I have the same issues with my W520
[19:14] <yacc> SuperLag: I've got an i7 beast (24GB, 17", 3x 2.5"hdd + msata and so on) too, but the experience has proven that my 17" laptop is about as portable as my old desktop.
[19:15] <Midoshi27> but I just defaulted my graphics processing to the Nvidia GPU
[19:15] <yacc> SuperLag: just disconnecting all the stuff that is connected with it on my home office desk is a bother, it's basically non-mobile, ...
[19:15] <SuperLag> yacc: <shrug> my W530 isn't exactly light, but I do fine with carrying it around.
[19:15] <SuperLag> yacc: it is my only machine
[19:16] <SuperLag> Anyone see my question about fonts in Chrome? :/
[19:16] <trijntje> Guest21590: I'd check the cd/usb for errors, and then try reinstalling
[19:16] <alfonz2> SuperLag, what is your question?
[19:16] <yacc> SuperLag: it's my only machine too, but my Acer V3-772G turned out to be really non-portable (it basically was moved twice in the last year, both times when I had to travel to team meetings).
[19:17] <SuperLag> Have any of you experience this kind of font issue with Chrome on Ubuntu? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/913175/crappy_fonts_chrome.png
[19:17] <SuperLag> alfonz2: ^^
[19:17] <Guest21590> trijntje: already tried reinstalling once; no dice. I'll fsck the USB, but I doubt that's it. /It/ boots fine, anywaym
[19:17] <trijntje> Guest21590: not fsck, if you boot the usb and hold shift, you can check ubuntu itself for errors
[19:17] <yacc> _war10ck_: the Optimus stuff seems to work fine for me on 14.04 OTOH, I'm not exactly a heavy gamer, beyond support 3x1920x1080 displays I have not much requirements for the GPU.
[19:18] <jhutchins> Guest21590: No, it's not a problem with the image.  Is this an amd64 install with EFI?
[19:18] <jhutchins> Guest21590: What's happeing is the BIOS is not finding GRUB in the MBR of the default boot device.
[19:18] <Guest21590> jhutchins: No MBR here. It's GPT.
[19:19] <Guest21590> ŌĆ”I think it's GPT.
[19:19] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: Are you also programming in CUDA?
[19:19] <alfonz2> SuperLag, yes, the same behaviour on Firefox with wordpress templates on some machines, I was surprised what was wrong with it, no clue
[19:19] <sokoll> trijntje: the command isn't a command, it's an error
[19:19] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: I mean using the CUDA toolkit for cL
[19:20] <sokoll> trijntje: I figured it out, it did actually SCP the file, but it ended up on the sever owned by root and group by root, it's a misleading error message
[19:20] <alfonz2> SuperLag, maybe some additive fonts for program? I mean locally in the folder
[19:20] <SuperLag> _war10ck_: no, but I do heavy virtualization and needed a portable machine with lots of RAM.
[19:20] <SCHAAP137> hello
[19:21] <alfonz2> SCHAAP137, hello
[19:21] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: That's the problem, are you using Bumblebee to handle the switching of the card
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> I'm wondering, can I restart some random service like SSH, from /etc/rc.local ?
[19:21] <Guest21590> trijntje: booted to the USB again and did the check-for-defects thing. Came up clean.
[19:21] <SuperLag> alfonz2: I've got ttf-mscorefonts-installer package installed. I also copied some Windows fonts into /usr/share/fonts/<dir>[B
[19:21] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: If you are using, the CUDA module doesn't load - resulting in a blockage
[19:21] <SuperLag> _war10ck_: you're saying that's at the heart of my font issue?
[19:21] <jhutchins> Guest21590: MPT != MBR
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> i have a config in which SSH needs a second "start", after OpenVPN is loaded
[19:22] <jhutchins> Guest21590: GPT anyway - Master Boot Record, not Partition Table.
[19:22] <SCHAAP137> so i'm trying to call ssh restart in /etc/init.d, from /etc/rc.local
[19:22] <SCHAAP137> at the end of the boot sequence
[19:22] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: No, I am not talking about the font issue, talking about the Optimus card problems
[19:22] <SuperLag> _war10ck_: no, that's not the issue here... I went into the BIOS/EFI options, and set video to be the Optimus only. I do not dynamically switch.
[19:22] <Guest21590> jhutchins: ohh, okay.
[19:22] <SCHAAP137> but it doesn't produce the desired effect
[19:22] <alfonz2> _war10ck_, does that mean he might use internal GPU in i5?
[19:22] <SuperLag> _war10ck_: I have no Optimus issues. ;)
[19:22] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: Why not just start it initially in rc.local?
[19:23] <yacc> http://geizhals.at/eu/acer-chromebook-13-cb5-311-t6r7-weiss-nx-mpreg-008-a1155948.html <= that one looks nice, but sadly it's ARM based, so I guess no native Ubuntu for sure on it.
[19:23] <alfonz2> _war10ck_, I mean excluding nvidia
[19:23] <_war10ck_> SuperLag: hmm, I use CUDA as well as game casually - I have problems when I am switching
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> my line in /etc/rc.local is now: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[19:23] <ircnode0> how I can count pattern occurences in terminal. I googled and tried e.g. echo "aaa" | grep -o 'aa' | wc -l , but it prints 1 (should print 2)
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> but it seems it's not executed at the _end_ of the boot sequence
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> but somewhere before OpenVPN
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> which makes the config fail
[19:24] <alfonz2> SuperLag, I think the easiest way to me is to pin the cable from nvidia to motherboard GPU included in core i family processors
[19:24] <alfonz2> SuperLag, dont forget to swith off nvidia in UEFI
[19:25] <Guest21590> jhutchins: I'm almost sure the system is 64-bit. I just bought it new yesterday.
[19:25] <jhutchins> Guest21590: Sounds likely that it's EFI then.
[19:25] <Guest21590> jhutchins: aaaand I think it's EFI. The installer should've figured that out, right?
[19:25] <SCHAAP137> jhutchins, what line would I need to put in /etc/rc.local, to "re-trigger" the SSH service startup?
[19:25] <SuperLag> alfonz2: why would I do that? I have my video set to Nvidia *ONLY*, and that eliminates all the Nvidia issues.
[19:25] <jhutchins> !efi
[19:25] <debbio> This syntax seems to be not described in either mount or losetup man pages 'mount -o loop,offset=0x000f8200'  , the '=' is not there and offset is required in binary or decimal , not hexadecimal. THis advice is fromhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1643334. Is it a good advice?
[19:25] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: What are you using that's not working?
[19:26] <alfonz2> SuperLag, just an idea based on _war10ck_ s CUDA idea
[19:26] <SCHAAP137> jhutchins: my SSH configuration only wants to accept connections from the tun0 interface
[19:26] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: What are you using that's not working?
[19:26] <SCHAAP137> jhutchins: but SSH starts before OpenVPN
[19:26] <user6958476326> ubuntu is based on debian?
[19:26] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: What command in rc.local?
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> jhutchins: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[19:27] <jhutchins> user6958476326: Derived from Debian.
[19:27] <Gunther_> hi there, i have a strange problem. i installed the newest nvidia driver using ppm and the additional driver tool. when i press ctrl+alt+F1 or any other TTY my schreen flashes bright white. also when i shutdown this hapens. any idea's of what i should try? im ot of idea's.
[19:27] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: Which release?
[19:27] <user6958476326> because i want to ask how to add an input language on debian
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> jhutchins: 14.04 server, all packages updated
[19:28] <Guest21590> jhutchins: the USB booted in EFI mode, according to that article. I have no other OSes, so it shouldn't matter whether it installs in EFI mode or not.
[19:28] <_war10ck_> alfonz2: I have given up tinkering with CUDA as of now, will resume if at all I am going back to working with it
[19:28] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: Try "service ssh restart"
[19:28] <SCHAAP137> cool, will test, thank you jhutchins
[19:28] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Please run boot info script and pastebin the RESULTS.txt that it produces.
[19:28] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | Guest21590
[19:29] <SuperLag> alfonz2: I never said I had any Nvidia issues. I'm having *font* issues.
[19:29] <_war10ck_> alfonz2: I had read that disabling the Intel Card in BIOS might help me, but I am more inclined to using both the units
[19:29] <debbio> This syntax seems to be not described in either mount or losetup man pages 'mount -o loop,offset=0x000f8200'  , the '=' is not there and offset is required in binary or decimal , not hexadecimal. THis advice is fromhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1643334. Is it a good advice?
[19:29] <davidfetter_fbn> hello. i'm on trusty, trying to create a couple of new services. i've made /etc/ configuration directories for each, a new file in /etc/default for each, but no joy when i say service foo [any command]
[19:30]  * _war10ck_ goes back to #c++
[19:30] <laravelnewbie> Hello guys
[19:30] <davidfetter_fbn> is there some other set of files i need to add or change?
[19:30] <laravelnewbie> can somebody help me with a ubuntu prob
[19:30] <jhutchins> _war10ck_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics#The_New_Dynamic_Switching_Model
[19:31] <bubbasaures> laravelnewbie, Describe and we will see.
[19:31] <alfonz2> _war10ck_, SuperLag ok, I am also interested in the issue, see you later then, thanks for ideas
[19:31] <jhutchins> davidfetter_fbn: The standard SysV init system starts services based on symlinks to scripts in /etc/init.d/ - by default, these are in /etc/rc2.d/
[19:33] <davidfetter_fbn> jhutchins, OK
[19:33] <davidfetter_fbn> jhutchins, with the move away from SysV, I wasn't sure what the Right ThingŌäó to do was
[19:34] <Gunther_> Anyone got a idea what can couse flashing screens in TTY1 graphical desktop works fine
[19:34] <SCHAAP137> the change of command in /etc/rc.local works, thanks again jhutchins
[19:35] <SCHAAP137> any idea why the other didn't work? because rc.local is an init script itself?
[19:35] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: Cool!
[19:35] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: It could be that ssh has transitioned from sysV to systemd.
[19:36] <jhutchins> SCHAAP137: The service command is being used to smooth the transition as it works with both.
[19:36] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/5cdq6
[19:36] <SCHAAP137> ahh, wow, didn't think of that
[19:36] <davidfetter_fbn> jhutchins, speaking of which, should i be doing this the systemd way?
[19:36] <davidfetter_fbn> (whatever that is :P)
[19:36] <jhutchins> davidfetter_fbn: I don't know what the systemd method would be, but the init methods are supposed to be compatible.
[19:36] <jhutchins> davidfetter_fbn: Probably.  Whatever that is.
[19:36] <davidfetter_fbn> jhutchins, OK, will stick with something i at least vaguely remember for now
[19:37] <davidfetter_fbn> that being SysV
[19:37] <jhutchins> davidfetter_fbn: Probably worth researching systemd if you do this kind of stuff.
[19:37] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Great. Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr".
[19:37] <davidfetter_fbn> jhutchins, yeah, right now, expediency is key. i guess i can put some XXXs and a "technical debt" bug against it
[19:38] <Jordan_U> davidfetter_fbn: Ubuntu doesn't quite use systemd as its init system yet.
[19:38] <jhutchins> Jordan_U: Still upstart?
[19:38] <Jordan_U> jhutchins: Yup.
[19:39] <bubbasaures> there gonna slip it in like a last day of congress additional orders
[19:40] <Jordan_U> davidfetter_fbn: No, most times you see people using losetup with --offset the problem is better and more easily solved with "sudo kpartx -a /path/to/disk.img" (which will setup a loopback device for the whole "disk", as well as creating partition devices in /dev/mapper/).
[19:40] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/38bkj
[19:42] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Well, that all looks correct.
[19:43] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Are you really booted via netboot currently?
[19:43] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: no; it's booted to the liveusb I used to install Ubuntu.
[19:46] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Indeed, sorry that was just me misreading.
[19:46]  * Guest21590 nods.
[19:48] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: I'm wondering if your hard drive is just taking longer to spin up than your boot firmware is expecting. Did you have a different OS successfully booting from this drive previously?
[19:48] <davidfetter_fbn> Jordan_U, thanks for the info :)
[19:48] <Jordan_U> davidfetter_fbn: You're welcome :)
[19:49] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: yeah. It shipped with Windows 8, which I used only long enough to make an Ubuntu liveusb.
[19:50] <lucidguy> Confused, if I get ent passwd I see all the user accounts in my environment, which is ldap based.  Yet when I id one of these accounts I get invalid user? Can't chown with that account also... hmmm.??
[19:51] <theguy312> How to add a submenu to nautilus? Like scripts, but also visible without selected item
[19:52] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Please pastebin the output of "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ && find /mnt/".
[19:53] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/ce8n9
[20:02] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Try this: sudo mkdir /mnt/EFI/BOOT/ && sudo cp /mnt/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /mnt/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
[20:04] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: No errors. Should I try booting to the HDD now?
[20:09] <deSouza> i installed a driver and it fukd my irc
[20:09] <deSouza> last message doesnt show
[20:09] <deSouza> sometimes
[20:10] <deSouza> (my ircd)
[20:10] <deSouza> it was a ppa
[20:11] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Yes.
[20:11] <petepiano1960> Evening all.  Quick question. Installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my wife's new Mac Book Air last Summer (she asked me to!), and everything was good except for the webcam. (Webcam in new MBAs is now PCI not USB so old methods of installing won't work).  Is there any chance at all of a driver coming out for this ?
[20:12] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: No dice; same error.
[20:12] <petepiano1960> (Should also say that MBA is with the insurance company at the moment because she spilt wine on it!)
[20:12] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Intesesting. Can you be at the grub shell from the bootable USB and on IRC at the same time?
[20:12] <Jordan_U> petepiano1960: What is the exact model?
[20:13] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: I'm using my phone for IRC, so yes :)
[20:13] <Guest21590> Got the GRUB shell.
[20:13] <MikeRL> Man did I do something stupid that I should fix. I think I messed up my keyboard settings. Was minor, but is there anyway to reset the settings under SYstem Settings > Keyboard?
[20:13] <MikeRL> Specifically repeat keys.
[20:13] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: OK, please boot from the USB drive and press "c" at the grub menu to get to the grub shell, then run "ls -l" and tell me if it seems to list your internal drive and its filesystems.
[20:14] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: error: Secure Boot forbids loading module fromŌĆö
[20:14] <Guest21590> :|
[20:15] <MikeRL> This is what happens when you rush to shovel snow, and try to finish things up on a computer.
[20:15] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Well that's annoying. Try just "ls", it will list the devices, just without any information about them.
[20:15] <Guest21590> Hang on, lemme just turn that off.
[20:15] <tonyt> trying to do a dual boot but when i boot from the image off a usb stick, ubuntu isnt seeing windows 7 installed on the hard drive. can anyone tell me what i need to do to fix this?
[20:15] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Well, I'm actually curious if you don't mind.
[20:15] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: `ls` didn't work either, same error.
[20:15] <Jordan_U> tonyt: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[20:16] <tonyt> ok not in ubuntu right now. i had to boot back into windows to get on irc
[20:17] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: search --set=root --file /grub/grub.cfg #should produce no output
[20:17] <MikeRL> I'm on 14.10 if that helps, but of course help those here already first.
[20:18] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: yep, no output
[20:19] <MikeRL> I'll be more specific first. System Settings > Keyboard > Typing Tab, and the delay and speed sliding selector under Repeat Keys.
[20:19] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: echo "$root" # will probably print (hd1,gpt1), put might be hd0
[20:19] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: hd1,gpt2
[20:20] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Great. Now try "configfile /grub/grub.cfg", which will hopefully load your installed system's grub menu.
[20:20] <MikeRL> I also noticed a bigger problem in Firefox, but that's another issue. Spell check seems to disable itself by default.
[20:20] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: purple screen, aaaaandŌĆ”
[20:20] <Guest21590> Passphrase prompt, woooot!
[20:20] <MikeRL> I can enable it. About:config shows it's on, but it likes to reset itself.
[20:21] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: :), but we still have to figure out how to get this to work without all of the hastle, and preferably in a not to ugly way :)
[20:21] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: definitely.
[20:23] <MikeRL> Hmm. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/man8/kbdrate.8.html
[20:24] <MikeRL> Let me check. May have answered my own question. As for Firefox, I have some ideas myself. I'll see if I can figure out how to reproduce my issue.
[20:25] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: I don't know what the current problem is. Disabling secure boot might get things working, and if it does that might point us toward the root cause of the problem.
[20:25] <MikeRL> I'll be back myself quickly. Rebooting to check the keyboard issue.
[20:26] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr --verbose".
[20:27] <samfisher> how do I chmod just the directories?
[20:28] <Jordan_U> samfisher: What is your end goal?
[20:30] <kaste> samfisher: chmod o-r dir for example. Just don't add -R
[20:32] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/9j5q7
[20:33] <acz32> can anyone explain this adobe-flashplugin update i am seeign in ubuntu? i thought adobe doesn't update flash for linux anymore?
[20:34] <Jordan_U> samfisher: find /path/to/somewhere/ -type d -exec echo chmod +r '{}' ';' #Notice that I have an echo in there, this way you can do a quick sanity check of the command before actually running chmod, which you should do since figuring out what permissions need to be restored if you mess up can be hard.
[20:35] <Jordan_U> acz32: The still provide security updates for the old pre-pepper flash until it goes EOL.
[20:35] <BluesKaj> acz32, it's likely for firefox
[20:35] <samfisher> Jordan_U: thank you, that's what I needed
[20:36] <Jordan_U> samfisher: You're welcome.
[20:37] <kdi> hello ppl, i have update problems for several weeks now, on a fresh kubuntu 14.10 installation. the <packages udev systemd dbus libpam-systemd:amd64 virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms cgmanager dbus-x11 nfs-kernel-server xserver-xorg-core> return error code 1
[20:38] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/9j5q7
[20:39] <kdi> i think the problem roots in udev, when tryping to update this, the first warning i get is the following: "insserv: warning: script 'lprng' missing LSB tags and overrides"
[20:40] <kdi> can anyone tell me what the lprng script is and how i might be able to fix this?
[20:42] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Try disabling secure boot, see what happens.
[20:43] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: disabling secure boot doesn't really change anything. I get the same error as in the beginning from trying to boot to the HDD.
[20:47] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: You've already been a big help, though. Being able to boot to the HDD at all is a massive improvement. Thank you. :)
[20:47] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: You're welcome :)
[20:47] <daftykins> !cookie | Jordan_U
[20:47] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: What happens if you boot to the grub shell from the USB drive, then simply run "exit"? This should exit grub, causing the boot fimware to try the next boot entry.
[20:49] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: I get the main menu from the USB's GRUB.
[20:51] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: That's interesting. How are you trying to boot from the internal drive? How does that differ from when you try to boot from the external drive?
[20:52] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: most of the time, I've just unplugged the external disk if I want to try booting from the internal one. If it's plugged in, the system boots from it (presumably after trying and failing to boot from the internal one.)
[20:52] <leeyaa> how to bring eth0:0 up when ifup says ifup: interface eth0:0 already configured
[20:52] <leeyaa> it isnt up
[20:53] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Actually, I may have found the problem. It looks like the partition you're using for /boot/efi/ doesn't have the proper GPT GUID for an EFI System Partition.
[20:53] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: tapping|holding F12 immediately after power-on gives me a boot menu. If I select something from this menu, the system seems to try booting from just that device.
[20:54] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[20:56] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/3w5tg
[20:58] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: sudo parted /dev/sda set 1 boot on
[20:59] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: Done.
[20:59] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: "sudo parted -l" again please.
[21:00] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: looks the same, only partition 1 on sda has the `boot, esp` flags (and not `msftdata`)
[21:01] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Great. Now try rebooting, I think it will work :)
[21:02] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: nopeŌĆ”same error. >.<
[21:02] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Well, that's frustrating.
[21:03] <Guest21590> :(
[21:05] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: what were you saying about the partition's GUID?
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: Guest21590 Question, what is up that sda3 does not show a 'file system' type ?
[21:06] <Guest21590> Bashing-om: mine? Maybe 'cos it's an LVM?
[21:06] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition
[21:07] <Jordan_U> Bashing-om: It's a LUKS volume, which parted probably simply doesn't know about.
[21:09] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: :) . thanks, good to know .
[21:13] <arseny09> hi all
[21:14] <jrthump> hello
[21:14] <opt1ckz> Hello
[21:14] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: so does the partition have to have the UID given in that article?
[21:14] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/sdsx7
[21:21] <miasma> probably a stupid question, but does ubuntu somehow configure the initramfs wrt mobo drivers when doing basic installation? i want to install ubuntu on a core i7 ivy bridge / h77 machine and use the system on core i3 sandy bridge machine
[21:21] <miasma> both use intel hd graphics
[21:22] <miasma> or maybe it just runs happily when the disks move from one machine to another
[21:22] <bttf> question ... is imagemagick the standard image processing cmd-line tool or is there a better one out there ?
[21:22] <daftykins> miasma: should transfer fine
[21:23] <theadmin> bttf: I know no better ones.
[21:23] <miasma> daftykins: cool, let's hope so
[21:23] <bttf> ok thx theadmin
[21:23] <daftykins> miasma: as long as it's the only disk in there so it gets GRUB etc, of course :)
[21:23] <miasma> daftykins: yea sure. i just worried about the initramfs/kernel part
[21:23] <miasma> otherwise it's easy to set up
[21:27] <XCVB> hello
[21:29] <zerowaitstate> miasma: a different north bridge shouldn't make a difference. The kernel has support for both. Sometimes being monolithic has value.
[21:29] <JonnyDamnnox> hey
[21:30] <zerowaitstate> miasma: the "drivers" are kernel modules typically for I/O, HW RAID, or graphics.
[21:30] <miasma> zerowaitstate: in some early days some installers probed for hardware and added some module loading lists hardware specific at boot time
[21:30] <miasma> in modprobe.conf or something
[21:31] <miasma> i just thought if there's something similar still
[21:31] <miasma> e.g. if you install mdadm, it rebuilds the initramfs
[21:31] <zerowaitstate> miasma: yeah, it does rebuild initramfs
[21:31] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: "sudo apt-get install gdisk" then please "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda".
[21:31] <zerowaitstate> miasma: however, the modules are loaded based on PCI discovery AFAIK
[21:31] <miasma> k
[21:32] <miasma> zerowaitstate: yea i've compiled kernels. just wasn't sure how ubuntu does it
[21:32] <zerowaitstate> miasma: no need to recompile the kernel unless you are doing something really weird
[21:32] <miasma> the hardware is like 99% identical. same x86-64 cpu, intel hd audio, intel hd graphics, realtek network
[21:32] <zerowaitstate> miasma: yeah, I wouldn't worry.
[21:33] <zerowaitstate> miasma: only thing I would watch out for is the root partition GUID
[21:33] <JonnyDamnnox> I get a horrible error when I want to use apt-get update : blablabla..... GPG Error ...repos.codelite.org trusty InRelease: The following signature could not be checken because of the publish key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6856E1DB1A.... Duplicate sources.list entry http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home..blabla Packages (/var/lib/apt/blablabla_home:_klaussfreire:_debian_xUbuntu%5f13.10_Packages WTF IS WRONG?
[21:33] <zerowaitstate> zerowaitstate: ubuntu uses the unique ID of the partition to determine which mount point is root
[21:33] <miasma> zerowaitstate: how could it change if it's the same disk
[21:34] <zerowaitstate> miasma: if it's the same disk you're good
[21:34] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: https://pastee.org/pgk2p
[21:34] <zerowaitstate> miasma: but if you move the filesystem, you would need to specify the root partition on initial boot then update fstab
[21:34] <miasma> zerowaitstate: yea sure
[21:34] <zerowaitstate> miasma: on ubuntu, the default fstab uses the GUID rather than enumeration to determine which mount point is root, etc.
[21:35] <miasma> zerowaitstate: yea, that's not a problem
[21:35] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: That looks correct.
[21:35] <JonnyDamnnox> IT'S OK I GOT IT MYSELF :(
[21:35] <marshal0505>  /wi JonnyDamnnox
[21:36] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Can you get to a UEFI shell?
[21:36] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: not sure how.
[21:39] <seismo> hi there :) did anyone have to do with CUDA before?
[21:39] <JonnyDamnnox> GRRR
[21:40] <seismo> hi seizo :D
[21:40] <g0th_> hi
[21:40] <g0th_> hi
[21:40] <g0th_> after a reboot from windows I suddenly no longer hear any sound
[21:40] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Ok, well let's get things setup so that you can at least more conveniently boot your installed system from your USB drive.
[21:40] <g0th_> I am on ubuntu 14.10
[21:40] <g0th_> my sound card is connected to the monitor (hdmi)
[21:41] <g0th_> pavucontrol shows what it showed before the reboot on windows
[21:41] <g0th_> any ideas?
[21:41] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: Okay.
[21:41] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: I know this is going to sound dumb, but did you check volume in sound settings?
[21:43] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: also, under Output tab, under "Play sound through", is the HDMI output selected?
[21:44] <g0th_> yes the volume is ok
[21:44] <g0th_> not muted
[21:44] <g0th_> what do you mean by play sound through?
[21:44] <zerowaitstate> you're in Ubuntu, right?
[21:44] <g0th_> yes, 14.10
[21:44] <g0th_> HDMI / Display Port (plugged in)
[21:44] <g0th_> that's what it says
[21:45] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: the test sound does not play?
[21:45] <head|tail> Which web browsers get official security support?
[21:45] <g0th_> and I see the bar moving (which doesn't mean _that_ much but at least it's not a player issue)
[21:45] <bubbasaures> head|tail, who's the official?
[21:45] <eric_> hi everyone, can anyone give me help with a little mouse query?
[21:46] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: the test sound does not play
[21:46] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: k, it's not application specific
[21:47] <g0th_> it could be a bios issue?
[21:47] <g0th_> somehow related to the windows boot?
[21:47] <bubbasaures> eric_, Not without a description here.
[21:47] <g0th_> sound works fine on windows
[21:47] <g0th_> so the card is fine
[21:47] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: sudo aplay -l
[21:48] <eric_> hi bubbasaures: was trying not to be rude, i was waiting for a reply
[21:48] <g0th_> this lists many devices
[21:48] <seismo> how can i tell a GPU to use a different CUDA version? i have cuda libcuda-5.5-1 installed but when i try ./deviceQuery in the CUDA Samples it says "CUDA Driver Version / Runtime Version  6.0 / 6.0"
[21:48] <g0th_> 4 hdmi and my builtin stuff
[21:48] <seismo> are there config files for the graphiccard devices?
[21:48] <g0th_> this seems to correspond 1-1 to pavucontrols
[21:48] <bubbasaures> eric_, I know, just is we have tons of these types of inquiries, just passing the info needed.
[21:49] <eric_> If i boot my system LM17.1 cinnamon. log in, then leave the system alone for a minute or 2, my mouse gets shut off. wireless microsoft mouse
[21:49] <bubbasaures> eric_, What ubuntu release is this?
[21:49] <eric_> linux mint 17.1 cinnamon
[21:50] <bubbasaures> eric_, Ah hold on
[21:50] <bubbasaures> !mint
[21:50] <bubbasaures> eric_, YOu can click that link at get to a mint channel. ;)
[21:50] <eric_> ah right, apologies everyone.
[21:51] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Open the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and add the following just below "set menu_color_highlight=black/light-gray": http://paste.ubuntu.com/9684456/
[21:52] <Drlanator> hello
[21:53] <Drlanator> hello
[21:53] <linuxuz3r> hi
[21:53] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: what does /proc/asound/cards show?
[21:55] <antonio__> hi
[21:55] <Drlanator> how do i uninstall ubuntu? i've been dual boting ubuntu with windows 7 for a while to test it out but it just isn't for me. how can i uninstall it ?
[21:56] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: http://pastebin.com/5r6jf58M
[21:56] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: I don't have a /boot/grub/grub.cfg o.o
[21:56] <linuxuz3r> delete the ubuntu partition
[21:56] <linuxuz3r> Drlanator:
[21:56] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, delete the partitions is how, is grub the boot loader now?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: On the USB drive.
[21:56] <linuxuz3r> then use mbrfix
[21:56] <linuxuz3r> on windows
[21:56] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: all the information you can get about my sound setup
[21:56] <Drlanator> yeah grub is the boot loader
[21:56] <linuxuz3r> you need to fix your mbr
[21:57] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, I would reinstate the windows loader than delete ubuntu.
[21:57] <linuxuz3r> if you use mbr
[21:57] <linuxuz3r> if you use regular bios you need to fix mbr
[21:57] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: ah, okay.
[21:57] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: are you playing via headphones?
[21:58] <g0th_> no
[21:58] <g0th_> It worked before
[21:58] <g0th_> I didn't change anything
[21:58] <Drlanator> do you know anything about windows? if so, how would i do that?
[21:58] <g0th_> now it doesn't anymore
[21:58] <g0th_> all I did was reboot into windows, played some game, reboot again
[21:58] <Jordan_U> Drlanator: Is this a BIOS based or UEFI based machine?
[21:58] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, Are you in ubuntu now?
[21:58] <g0th_> or shutdown
[21:59] <Drlanator> no i'm on my other linus laptop
[21:59] <Drlanator> linux
[21:59] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, Jordan_U's question is the key one here.
[22:00] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: okay, try "sudo alsa force-reload"
[22:00] <Guest21590> Jordan_U: and once I hit that new menu item, I can unplug the USB stick, right?
[22:00] <Drlanator> i dont know, how would i find out?
[22:01] <linuxuz3r> Drlanator: yes?
[22:01] <jrthump> is there a way to invoke a script with network manager after it ups a nic? like post up (or what it is called) in /etc/network/interfaces when not using network manager?
[22:01] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: no effect, maybe I have to shutdown all applications before?
[22:01] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, Easiest I know is from the ubuntu terminal on that computer.
[22:02] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Correct.
[22:02] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: It's possible, but my understanding is that's a vulcan neck pinch on alsa.
[22:02] <g0th_> how do I get my sound back?
[22:02] <Drlanator> ok lemme boot up the pc and i'll try to do this
[22:02] <g0th_> I think it might be related to kernel drivers
[22:03] <g0th_> which were somehow effected by a windows reboot
[22:03] <Jordan_U> Drlanator: Another important question: Do you have all of your important files that are stored within Ubuntu backed up?
[22:03] <g0th_> bios stuff?
[22:03] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, Do you have a recovery or install disc for the windows install?
[22:04] <super> hola
[22:04] <Drlanator> i dont have any important files on ubuntu i was just trying it out
[22:05] <Drlanator> the windows came on my pc
[22:05] <Drlanator> so no disk
[22:05] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, You will need to make a recovery disc from the windows to do this.
[22:05] <bubbasaures> tiny disc like 125MB
[22:06] <Drlanator> if all i did was delete the ubuntu partition, windows would still work, right?
[22:06] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, It would not boot so no
[22:06] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: well?
[22:06] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: are you using built-in Intel Audio?
[22:06] <g0th_> no
[22:06] <g0th_> I selected HDMI
[22:06] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: go into BIOS and disable built-in Intel Audio
[22:07] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, We are getting into you questioning the process, that will make this so much harder.
[22:07] <Drlanator> ok instead of going through a bunch of troble i'll just keep it on there and deal with selecting windows evvery time. thanks for trying.
[22:07] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: is that a wild guess?
[22:07] <g0th_> hmm
[22:07] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: I am spit-balling at this point
[22:07] <g0th_> I'll try
[22:07] <g0th_> oh
[22:07] <g0th_> ok then maybe I won'
[22:08] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, Cool, all it is is make a disc, know the uefi or bios info and about 3 min work.
[22:08] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: your hardware is being detected by the OS.
[22:08] <Jordan_U> Drlanator: bubbasaures: A Windows recovery disk is *not* required, this is fairly easy to do from within Ubuntu only.
[22:08] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: everything is fine, except that I don't hear any sound
[22:08] <bubbasaures> Jordan_U, lilo?
[22:08] <Jordan_U> bubbasaures: I tend to use install-mbr instead, but the same end result, yes.
[22:09] <g0th_> got it!!!
[22:09] <g0th_> yes!
[22:09] <zerowaitstate> what did you do?
[22:09] <g0th_> zerowaitstate: I turned off the monitor and turned it on again :)
[22:09] <zerowaitstate> bah!
[22:09] <g0th_> "did you try turning it on and off?"
[22:09] <bubbasaures> Jordan_U, Cool, I just use that in a pinch, recovery discs like a live linux is about your best tool beyond the cli.
[22:09] <Drlanator> meh i wont deal with that now. mabye sometime later. thanks for all the informtion!
[22:09] <Jordan_U> Drlanator: Once you're booted into Ubuntu, please run "sudo parted -l" and pastebin the output (copy and paste it to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com then post the link to your paste here).
[22:09] <zerowaitstate> HDMI and power saving don't play well together in some cases
[22:10] <bubbasaures> Drlanator, YOu might stick with Jordan_U they can get you through easily. ;)
[22:10] <Drlanator> ok i'll try
[22:10] <bubbasaures> woot woot
[22:11] <zerowaitstate> g0th_: just curious, do you see anything in syslog or dmesg since you reset your monitor?
[22:11] <Guest4905> If I already have a version of utorrentd installed and working, and I go to download a newer version and the only thing it provides is a binary file is it safe to assume I could just overwrite the existing binary without issues?
[22:11] <Drlanator> later though. i'm not really up for messing around with pc today.
[22:12] <Drlanator> bye, i'll proboly be back on the weekend.
[22:12] <Guest4905> applying the same permissions of course
[22:12] <bubbasaures> ltr
[22:14] <zubnola> Could someone please assist me?  I tried installing AMD proprietary driver.  The next time I logged in unity appears messed up, no system bar, no dock etc.  I was able to install gnome 3, log into that and uninstall the amd drivers and reinstall unity, but unity is still messed up.  I just see the desktop when I log in
[22:19] <pentest> hello people
[22:28] <Bashing-om> zubnola: I give it a whirl .. Doe these file still exist : -> ls -al /usr/share/ati/ , ls -al /etc/X11/xorg.conf  . Then we look and see what is .
[22:28] <Bashing-om> doe/do*
[22:28] <leeyaa> hello
[22:29] <leeyaa> is it possible to configure a network interface at /etc/network/interfaces and not bring it up on boot ?
[22:30] <petepiano1960> Jordan_U: MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 2014)
[22:31] <rww> leeyaa: yes, just don't include "auto" or "allow-hotplug" lines
[22:38] <leeyaa> rww: what about using manual
[22:38] <leeyaa> seems to be doing the same thing
[22:38] <leeyaa> btw how to get rid of d?????????  ? ?     ?             ?            ? lost+found
[22:38] <leeyaa> tried with fsck
[22:38] <rww> "manual" just means interfaces doesn't do any configuration by default.
[22:39] <LinuxGold> PURE CLI! :D
[22:39] <rww> if you want a configured interface that is only brought up when you ask it to be, that probably is not what you want
[22:39] <leeyaa> rww: what will it happen if i leave it manual?
[22:39] <leeyaa> because it doesnt seem to get up on reboot
[22:39] <rww> interfaces doesn't do any configuration by default
[22:40] <rww> so you don't get any configuration for that interface. so it doesn't work unless you're doing something odd.
[22:40] <leeyaa> rww: so this mean it wont get started on boot then
[22:40] <leeyaa> isnt it the same ?
[22:40] <rww> (like writing /etc/network/* scripts)
[22:40] <rww> well, it won't get started at all ever
[22:40] <leeyaa> it does
[22:40] <leeyaa> ifup eth0:1 starts it
[22:40] <rww> with what configuration?
[22:41] <leeyaa> this http://paste.ubuntu.com/9684698/
[22:41] <FiReSTaRT> hey guys, i am running xubuntu, hit something on the keyboard and now my view is zoomed in.. how do i reverse that
[22:41] <rww> leeyaa: line 17 doesn't do anything, it's not valid syntax
[22:41] <rww> lines 18 through 20 are valid config that's used when you do the ifup command
[22:41] <leeyaa> ah i guess thats why
[22:42] <FiReSTaRT> nm, alt-scroll wheel fixed it :)
[22:42] <leeyaa> so how to achieve the same thing, with valid syntax ?
[22:42] <leeyaa> remove line 17 ?
[22:42] <rww> yes
[22:42] <leeyaa> i understand
[22:42] <Jordan_U> petepiano1960: Looks like it's being worked on https://github.com/patjak/bcwc_pcie/wiki , but see the status. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1276811 might be worth following as well.
[22:42] <leeyaa> what about my other problem ;p
[22:42] <leeyaa> how to heck to fix that fs
[22:42] <leeyaa> tried with forcing fsck from /etc/default/rcS
[22:43] <k1l> oot a livesystem and run the fsck
[22:43] <k1l> *boot
[22:43] <leeyaa> cant i force it to run fsck ?
[22:43] <leeyaa> dont have console access to that -.-
[22:44] <Jordan_U> !fsck | leeyaa
[22:44] <k1l> not on mounted partitions
[22:44] <leeyaa> well i can unmount all except boot
[22:45] <leeyaa> erm root
[22:45] <leeyaa> lol
[22:46] <petepiano1960> Jordan_U: Ta.  Does't look promising does it :-(
[22:46] <petepiano1960> Doesn't
[22:47] <leeyaa> right i rebooted it with forced fsck
[22:47] <leeyaa> while it is checking, does it run on runlevel 1 ?
[22:48] <leeyaa> seems i have ping to the shared ip, but cant ssh. do you have network connectivity in runlevel 1 ?
[22:48] <Mexandrew> Good afternoon, everyone. I am having some issues with Ubuntu 12.04, recently updated. This computer is an LTSP server that used to have 2 Ethernet interfaces. eth0 being the integrated Gigabit Ethernet, and eth1 being a PCI 10/100 card. eth0 was connected to a network hub where all the clients are connected, while eth1 was connected to the main network for internet access and management through RDP. The issue is that recently, if you plugged both eth
[22:48] <Mexandrew> ernet cables at the same time, you'd lose internet access and the thin clients would not boot.
[22:49] <Mexandrew> Now, eth1 wasn't properly detecting when you plugged in the cable after the HD drives were replaced, so it was removed, and a USB WIFI dongle was added. However, if I plug a cable into eth0, I still lose internet access from the wifi.
[22:52] <solsTiCe> hi. A weird thing happened. My right screen (hdmi ouput) turn black 5 or 6 times in a row in 3 or 4 seconds. like a flicker. but it just turn black. The main laptop screen remained ok. this never happended before. I use oibaf ppa for beta intel driver. I already had complete freeze of Xorg. but here it is only one screen turning black. or turning of just a moment. it's ok now.
[22:53] <solsTiCe> I was jsut changing my wifi settings to WEP (to crack my own wifi just to try it). So it gave me the feling of beeing spied on just a few second. /me turning paranoid ?
[22:55] <k1l> well, ask the beta intel driver guys if that is a known issue
[22:55] <kaste> hey, I am looking for llpp and can't find it. I found one rather unofficial repo
[22:56] <kaste> So first, is there a semiofficial repo where I can find it and second, Metaquestion, is there a search engines for repos, like gentoo's gpo.zugaina.org?
[22:58] <bazhang> packages.ubuntu.com kaste
[22:58] <bazhang> !find llpp
[22:59] <kaste> bazhang: but those are only official packages like with packages.debian.org right?
[23:00] <k1l> for PPAs search at launchpad.net
[23:01] <kaste> ok, thanks that looks more like it
[23:08] <CajunTechie> Hey everyone, a friend of mine is using ufw to configure his firewall. He added specific deny rules and then restarted the service. However, the ports he specifically blocked were still accessible. He had to go and disable ufw, flushed iptables, then restarted ufw. Is this a known problem or just a fluke?
[23:10] <jim__> sdfgsdfgsdfg
[23:10] <jim__> ubuntu is kewl
[23:10] <jim__> ubuntu is kewl
[23:12] <cipher__> Can I replace Gnome (or whatever it is now) with the xubuntu GUI?
[23:13] <Jordan_U> cipher__: Yes. You can install xubuntu-desktop then choose XFCE as your login session at the login screen.
[23:13] <cipher__> Jordan_U, can I safely remove unity?
[23:13] <Jordan_U> cipher__: Yes.
[23:13] <cipher__> Jordan_U, thank you.
[23:13] <Jordan_U> cipher__: You're welcome.
[23:14] <aewd> S.a
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Guest4905: Please re-run boot info script and file a bug report about this, attaching the RESULTS.txt.
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: Please re-run boot info script and file a bug report about this, attaching the RESULTS.txt.
[23:27] <Jordan_U> Guest21590: "ubuntu-bug grub" to file the bug report, ideally from your installed Ubuntu system.
[23:34] <Rocketeer> So under unity tweak tool you can set panel transparency
[23:34] <Rocketeer> And you can set it so that it's no longer transparent when a window is maximised
[23:34] <Rocketeer> There's a bug though that if you minimize it and restore it the panel stays transparent
[23:35] <Rocketeer> Any ideas?
[23:41] <freeroute> hi, anyone here still on 12.04?
[23:41] <bekks> Why? :)
[23:42] <freeroute> I think I found a bug and would love to see if other people can reproduce it
[23:42] <freeroute> Download chromium-browser and then go to https://img.bi/#/eUTB0Mg!s3SDD9auM7TLxOvmb2ohgpV0vocXVRIdw2GmM8Dv , right click on the image and choose "Save image as.." and save the image.
[23:43] <mutual> ^seems legit.
[23:43] <mutual> also how did i just find out about Numix
[23:43] <mutual> I think I heard them talk about it once on LAS but i never looked into it
[23:44] <freeroute> mutual: it's a picture, you can check it out for yourself
[23:45] <freeroute> I also have a youtube video where this behavior occurs, but it's a bit explicit, should I post it?
[23:45] <budgie^smore> Hey I am having trouble with lsattr on tmpfs "lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on /var/run/helper"
[23:46] <bekks> freeroute: And whats the actual bug at that point?
[23:46] <freeroute> bekks: chromium seems to just crash
[23:46] <bekks> freeroute: Does it crash or does is just seem to do so? :)
[23:46] <dahartigan> is it specific to that image?
[23:47] <gregory62> hi i am trying to install open office using the sudo dpkg -i line in terminal but i am not having any success. can anybody assist me on the necessary steps
[23:47] <freeroute> dahartigan: it also happens on some youtube videos
[23:47] <k1l> did you try a clean profile? freeroute
[23:47] <dahartigan> gregory62, what is the error message?
[23:47] <freeroute> k1l: already tried
[23:47] <k1l> freeroute: start chromium from a terminal and see the errormessage
[23:47] <freeroute> also without any extensions + plugins
[23:48] <freeroute> [8574:8604:0107/003737:FATAL:url_request.cc(709)] Trying to send secure referrer for insecure load
[23:48] <gregory62> well i'm trying to install a couple (open office, king soft) to see which one i prefer. 1. Do i need to download the .deb file? 2. Do i need to extract that file?
[23:48] <freeroute> bekks: entire chromium goes poof
[23:48] <bekks> freeroute: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=331941
[23:48] <gregory62> dahrtigan: it does't recognize the package for one or tow
[23:49] <freeroute> bekks: wow, so the bug is there already for a year now?
[23:49] <bekks> gregory62: So whats your actual command and whats the actual output? Can you please pastebin both and provide the URL?
[23:49] <freeroute> also, why is 12.04 using a devel version of Chromium?
[23:50] <bekks> freeroute: Is it?
[23:51] <k1l> !info chromium-browser precise
[23:51] <freeroute> 37.0.2062.120-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~pkg917 maintainer = Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:53] <freeroute> also it happens on this youtube video too - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbOnugwTEk&list=UUM2A5YkiH9VZRmc9dV06h3w
[23:53] <freeroute> basically around 40% of videos is affected.
[23:54] <bekks> freeroute: And the bug is already reported to the chromium community.
[23:54] <samthewildone> !swf
[23:54] <samthewildone> !sfw
[23:54] <samthewildone> !flashvideo
[23:54] <bekks> samthewildone: Do you have a specific question? :)
[23:54] <samthewildone> how do I play .swf files
[23:54] <samthewildone> bekks, yes
[23:55] <freeroute> samthewildone: did you try VLC player?
[23:55] <k1l> !flash | samthewildone
[23:55] <samthewildone> freeroute, nope
[23:55] <samthewildone> freeroute, thought the default would do all the work
[23:56] <Rocketeer> Anybody know if there's some program that changes settings when an external monitor gets plugged in
[23:56] <Rocketeer> For example I want my menus in the panel when I just have a laptop screen but that's terrible for a large monitor
[23:57] <samthewildone> freeroute, "[swf @ 0x7f8cf8024d40] Compressed SWF format not supported"
[23:57] <freeroute> samthewildone: hmm, interesting. Try in a browser (chromium and firefox)
[23:58] <Mathis> hey
[23:58] <Mathis> in vlc 2.1.4 for Ubuntu, is the --repeat parameter broken?
[23:58] <samthewildone> freeroute, thanks
[23:59] <samthewildone> freeroute, works now


[00:03] <mup> Bug #1545207 opened: Rackspace os-security-groups not found <bootstrap> <ci> <rackspace> <regression> <juju-core:New> <juju-core cloud-credentials:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545207>
[00:06] <mup> Bug #1545207 changed: Rackspace os-security-groups not found <bootstrap> <ci> <rackspace> <regression> <juju-core:New> <juju-core cloud-credentials:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545207>
[00:09] <mup> Bug #1545207 opened: Rackspace os-security-groups not found <bootstrap> <ci> <rackspace> <regression> <juju-core:New> <juju-core cloud-credentials:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545207>
[00:10] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: in 2.0 - when I juju deploy local - how will that work when $JUJU_REPOSITORY is set?
[00:52] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: hmm...not sure. Right now I don't know if that's used at all tbh. Will have to file a bug/check the code
[00:52] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: what's used? JUJU_REPOSITORY?
[00:53] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: yea
[00:53] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: you mean to tell it where to find a local charm right?
[00:54] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: well, 2.0-alpha2 and 1.X use it to find $JUJU_REPOSITORY/trusty/<charm>
[00:54] <marcoceppi> but with series in metadata will it just be $JUJU_REPOSITORY/<charm>
[00:54] <marcoceppi> we'll need to know in order to make decisions on how charm build works in 2.0
[02:25] <mup> Bug #1545216 opened: upgrade-mongo panic: juju home hasn't been initialized <ci> <mongodb> <test-failure> <upgrade-mongo> <juju-core:New> <juju-core upgrade-mongodb3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545216>


[00:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL03cee1c89572: Specify left clicking the clock for calendar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL03cee1c89572
[00:23] <lynorian> yay lugito is notifying manual commits again
[00:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbca587ca153c: Add left click and drag to reagrange the taskbar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbca587ca153c
[00:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL576cdc6815f4: Make quick launch even more expxlict how to use] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL576cdc6815f4
[00:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6dda8b1aa0fb: Make actions for desktop switcher more epxlicit] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6dda8b1aa0fb
[00:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL33c862fba9c8: Add how to get 2 panels and how to remove a panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL33c862fba9c8
 @lynorian [<lynorian> HmollerCL great a new app for the manual?], I think there is no need
[00:50] <lynorian> just please tell me if it is
 @lynorian [<lynorian> just please tell me if it is], OK, I will. Have there might be needed to change the save screen shots in libreoffice
 When D2 will be merged
 It says error trashing file.
 And the fun part is: if I go to desktop preferences, do not change anything, simply press apply, the file vanishes. It's Magic!
 The file pops up after every reboot
 @HMollerCl you mentioned qapt-deb-installer yesterday, Added to mimeapps.list.
 @HMollerCl btw, there are two things: … application/x-deb … application/x-debian-package … qapt-deb-installer will be sufficient for both or should I add discover for the any one?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], Not sure what exactly you tried to delete there but the trash, network, home, and computer shortcuts are on by default. If you want to disable them just right click on the desktop ->  select desktop preferences -> then the advanced tab. If you uncheck the radio boxes they won't appear on your de
[06:24] <wxl> sigh
[06:24] <wxl> i update my dev container and multipath-tools is all messed up
[06:27] <wxl> @teward001 oh master of containers tell me why the smurf i'm having issues with multipath-tools. it seems the root is Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.145 (2017-11-03) and kernel driver (unknown version).
[06:54] <apt-ghetto> @wxl is there a frontend for apport beside apport-gtk?
[06:54] <wxl> not sure tbh
[06:55] <wxl> ah well there's apport-kde
[06:55] <apt-ghetto> I never saw a notification, when an crash report was generated
[06:55] <wxl> ah yes that's apparently what we should be using
[06:56] <wxl> as the recommends for it are kubuntu-notification-helper or lxqt-notificationd
[06:56] <wxl> is apport actually enabled?
[06:56] <wxl> https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/apport-kde
[06:57] <wxl> why does it default to disabled? seems weird.
[06:58] <apt-ghetto> what shows `systemctl status apport`? On my 18.10 it is enabled
[06:58] <apt-ghetto> And I am quite sure, that I didn't play with it
[07:00] <wxl> that's a question of whether or not the service is running, which is not the same question; see the wiki page
[07:01] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Why_is_apport_disabled_by_default.3F
 @kc2bez [Not sure what exactly you tried to delete there but the trash, network, home, an …], Look at the photo, I am talking about the bottom-most icon on the left.
[09:30] <kc2bez> Not sure what that is. You could try deleting it from the CLI I guess.
 in cli it doesn't show up. even when I press ls -a
 @The_LoudSpeaker [in cli it doesn't show up. even when I press ls -a], I have seen it too in a recent daily, haven't have the time to see why
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl btw, there are two things: … application/x-deb … application/x-debian-pac …], Don't know
 how is software-properties fixing coming along?
 Is waiting for merge, since I couldn't figure out how to propose merge now that is on git, @tsimonq2 will merge it mannjaly
[12:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T36: Fix full disk encryption on BIOS systems] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T36#500
[12:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T2: Fix EFI encryption] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2#501
[12:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#502
[12:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T15: Fix software-properties-qt under other DEs] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T15#506
 @HMollerCl [Is waiting for merge, since I couldn't figure out how to propose merge now that …], Yup
 @tsimonq2 You can knock me over with a feather.
 T2 works in Vbox
 More testing seems prudent.
 Wait...
 WHAT
 :D
 Are you saying that *EFI* encryption works here?
 I updated to proposed and I think it worked.
 Wasn't expecting that.
 Whoa
 Me neither ;)
 Like I said we need more testers on that. I don't really trust myself XD
 For sure
 Where is guiverc when you need him XD
 Anyway
 I am not sure he has EFI
 Hmm
 Ok
[12:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T2: Fix EFI encryption] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2#544
 Hahahahaha
 @HMollerCl [I have seen it too in a recent daily, haven't have the time to see why], @The_LoudSpeaker apparently is because of the system link
 https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/1115495983968739329
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker apparently is because of the system link], K.
 @HMollerCl [Don't know], Lite. I put qapt-installer for both
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Lite. I put qapt-installer for both], qapt-deb-installer
 @HMollerCl [qapt-deb-installer], Yup! That only.
 ok
[13:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#546
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [I’ll be home just after lunch. What exactly do you need me to do to test?], do you have bare metal notebook to test?
 with touchpad
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [I’ll be home just after lunch. What exactly do you need me to do to test?], Full disk encryption with UEFI
[13:51] <apt-ghetto> See https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2
[13:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix EFI encryption: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T2
 @aptghetto [Full disk encryption with UEFI], I didn't get that option yesterday when I did a full disk Install
 But it installed in uefi and secure boot on.
 #Ask Is it possible to install arch alongside lubuntu?
 Oh okay
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [I mean I have 2 bare metal laptops with touchpads and 1 MacBook with a touchpad. …], Test on it the TouchPad behaivour with the daily, tap to clock, 2 finger scrolling
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [Will do. (Tap to clock?)], Tap to click
 @HMollerCl [Tap to click], Not working by default. I had to install synaptics. I mean I had to run 'apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics'
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Not working by default. I had to install synaptics. I mean I had to run 'apt ins …], In 19.04?
 Yup!
 19.04 has touchpad control. No need to install other
 We are configuring it now
 but it didn't have tap to click by default, there was no option to enable it either.
 It had natural scrolling and single click to activate items but not tap to click.
 Lubuntu logoff brings black screen
 How to login?
 @aptghetto [Full disk encryption with UEFI], Yes, but the key point is that you need to upgrade to the kpmcore in disco-proposed before doing it
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [Is that baked in the daily, or must I do it manually? And if manually, how?], It has to be done manually
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpmcore/3.3.0-5/+build/16603055
 libkpmcore7 is the package name
 @The_LoudSpeaker [It had natural scrolling and single click to activate items but not tap to click …], single click to activae items is tap to click, I didn't chose the name
 You'll need to download that and install it with `sudo apt install ./path/to/file.deb`
 @HMollerCl [single click to activae items is tap to click, I didn't chose the name], Ohh!! I should have tried it! I will uninstall synaptics. and test again.
 @lynorian that need to be added to the manual, the "single click to activate items" = "tap to click"
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [So don’t go with preset partitions, just give it the whole disk and encrypt. Cor …], Yeah
 @Pristinesnowflake [Lubuntu logoff brings black screen], Please go to our support channel at https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support
 Hey wxl. I followed all the instructions on  … https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-requirements/ … Now what?
[14:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T3: Provide complete mimeapps.list] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T3#547
 @HMollerCl [single click to activae items is tap to click, I didn't chose the name], Also, shouldn'tit be enabled by default?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, shouldn'tit be enabled by default?], Yes, it should be in yesterday's or today daily
 @HMollerCl [Yes, it should be in yesterday's or today daily], I didn't actually upload your change yet :)
 @tsimonq2 [I didn't actually upload your change yet :)], Although it's in phab you need to upload? I did git push not arc diff on this
 @HMollerCl [Although it's in phab you need to upload? I did git push not arc diff on this], Right
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 oh master of containers tell me why the smurf i'm having issues …], ERR: Not Enough Details.  LXD?  Docker?  Privileged/Unprivileged containers? Need more info.
[16:49] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker @HMollerCl i repeat again and again: synpatics is deprecated in lieu of libinput
[16:52] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you need to follow the instructions. the basic run down is in /packagingtutorial but you should read /packaging-exceptions and /packaging-example for sure for it to all make sense. do note the exceptions are relevant since lubuntu-default-settings is a native package so exceptions do apply
 wxl: mmm, the flag in lxqt has this name "SynPS%252F2%2520Synaptics%2520TouchPad\tappingEnabled=1"
[16:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2 your new versioning scheme for native packages is used in all native packages? if so we need to modify the instructions
[16:53] <wxl> oh they wouldn't.
[16:57] <wxl> @HMollerCl something is weird here https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/blob/master/lxqt-config-input/touchpaddevice.cpp#L310
 mmmm, maybe it's only the name of the flag.
 here is the funny name https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/blob/master/lxqt-config-input/touchpadconfig.ui#L37
[17:00] <wxl> also here's an issue that starts out talking about synaptics and ends with libinput https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/405#issuecomment-416193561
[17:00] <wxl> yeah i know @HMollerCl. feel free to send a pull request!
[17:04] <wxl> perhaps there are touchpads that aren't libinput compatible
 aaaaaaaaa, could be, I tested in a very old notebook.
 "designed for xp" kind of old
 I hope they don't change the name of the flag regarding if it's or not libinput compatible
[17:07] <wxl> right. we need someone on a more modern touchpad to do some testing ensuring they're not using synpatics
[17:07] <wxl> alternately you might try removing synaptics and try these options https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput#Touchpad_not_detected_at_all
[17:08] <wxl> ideally we should have both
 Wondering where we coudl get the names of the flags read.
 at least tsujan agreed on chnaging the name https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/issues/405#issuecomment-481342175
[17:19] <wxl> wow miracles never cease
[17:20] <wxl> so libinput should have good general support. if your touchpad isn't recognized, file a bug https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/reporting-bugs.html#reporting-bugs-touchpad
[17:21] <wxl> if it IS recognized and you CAN use libinput tools to change tap to click behavior but you DO NOT see it in input settings without installing synaptics, that's a bug for lxqt
 I hope I can do it this night
[17:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#549
[17:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL13e59f07dfaa: Fix warning] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL13e59f07dfaa
[18:08] <wxl> teward: oh, btw lxd and should be unpriv
[18:09] <teward> wxl: need repro steps / test case
[18:09] <teward> to dig into it :p
[18:10] <wxl> all i did was try to upgrade my disco container :(
[18:10] <wxl> in the process multipath-tools was restarting and that failed, which kept ubuntu-server from upgrading
 @wxl upgrade the container like normal?  Because if I spin an image up now it'll be last night's daily image
[18:11] <wxl> yup
 so testing might skip over any 'fixed' things
[18:11] <wxl> to be fair i hadn't updated in a long while, probably since near the beginning of the cycle
[18:11] <wxl> i did NOT dist-upgrade
 *judges @wxl*
[18:12] <wxl> well i haven't used it so i'm not going to feel bad about it
 well it'll take me a while to spin a disco container up to see if I can replicate
 but the chances are i won't be able to repro with the standard image, so you'll have to wait 24-48 hours for them to push new dailies
 for me to get an accurate test 😛
[18:13] <wxl> to be fair i don't even knwo what multipath-tools IS
 lol
[18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALadd755f2e053: Fix badly worded single click to activate items] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALadd755f2e053
[18:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb581bec607d5: Fix typo of how to launch] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb581bec607d5
[19:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL518985e0d2cc: reword automatically turn on numlock] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL518985e0d2cc
[19:03] <lynorian> thanks hmollercl
[19:03] <lynorian> fixed now
[19:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8dfa76422c69: Add summary on previewing menu on openbox themes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8dfa76422c69
[19:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf28180aac523: Add middle click to minimize] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf28180aac523
[19:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1c664011bbe2: Add close and all desktops to window management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1c664011bbe2
[19:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb26cc846cdb0: Add window managment menu screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb26cc846cdb0
[19:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1118
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [My touchpad is working as usual. 2 finger scrolling works fine, both for workspa …], And tap to click doesn't work?
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [No, but it never has on this Toshiba satellite. It has 2 ridges at the bottom of …], could you teld me if in your ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf you have a [Touchpad] entry?
 could you go to touchpad setting and activate "single click top activate items"
 ?
 leyboard and mouse settings, last one
[20:29] <teward> keyboard*
[20:29] <teward> :P
 jaja
 @Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 [Simon also asked me to mention that when I tried to install to a disk with a fat …], good, can you look again at your  ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf ??
 wxl ^^^ !!!!!!!
[20:37] <wxl> oh ye with the bad username i can't mention, did you have any swaps?
 wxl, I was meaning the picture, can youy see it?
[20:39] <wxl> no
[20:39] <wxl> ^^^ @tsimonq2 isn't there something we need to do with lubot to have it support display of pics?
 Dreamingwolf 🐉🐺🚛🇺🇸 could you pastebinit the session.conf content?
[20:41] <wxl> and get a real username XD
 wxl, basically he has 2 tapping enable lines. one teh same as https://phab.lubuntu.me/D1 but the other says logitech and has value of -1
[20:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Set tap to click as default for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D1
[20:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#550
 wxl I uploaded the picture here https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26
[20:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26
[20:45] <wxl> oh boy
[20:45] <wxl> perhaps there's some separate driver?
[20:45] <wxl> jeez we got to go hunt for it huh?
 and see what happened
 mmm, could be
[20:48] <wxl> you have a usb mouse?
[21:03] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf could you get a one-word username so i can actually at you?
[21:03] <wxl> secondly why did you file a bug against lxfind?
[21:03] <wxl> for that matter, HOW did you file a bug against lxfind?
[21:04] <wxl> you really want to run `ubuntu-bug package` where package is the package you're filing the bug against so it will pull in a lot of information. see here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[21:06] <wxl> you fix your name on telegram. i'm not sure, cuz i don't use telegram.
[21:06] <wxl> i'm going to invalidate this bug and you can run it again
[21:07] <wxl> also you might want to avoid the bug report and answer this question first...... did that partition scheme have any swaps at all? even a swap file?
 Yes, it was an arch install with 3 partitions, esp, xfs for /, and a minimal swap.
 @Dreamingwolf [How do I fix my username? … That’s where Launchpad.net took me when I went to Lubu …], I think wxl means removing the emoticons after your ursername
[21:09] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf this should be a notification now, thanks
 @HMollerCl [I think wxl means removing the emoticons after your ursername], Done
 No not the emitcons. To add a username in the settings click edit profile then enter something in the at field.
 @kc2bez [No not the emitcons. To add a username in the settings click edit profile then e …], Did that as well. Did it work?
[21:10] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf does this work as a notification?
[21:10] <kc2bez> Yes.
 @wxl [<wxl> @Dreamingwolf this should be a notification now, thanks], So I should skip the bug report?
[21:11] <wxl> ok good
[21:11] <wxl> yes
 Good. Thanks.
[21:12] <wxl> so here's the deal: core ubuntu (the base of lubuntu) by default mounts any swaps it finds. calamares, on the other hand, will not allow you to erase a disk that has mounted partitions----- including swaps and swapfiles. so you could have turned off the swaps and rerun calamares and all would have worked.
 Understood. So is that considered a bug or a feature...lol?
[21:14] <wxl> good question
[21:14] <wxl> having swaps on ensures that max memory is available for the installer, which isn't bad
[21:15] <wxl> not erasing a drive that's mounted i guess is a defense against accidential data loss, which isn't bad
[21:15] <wxl> i'd like there to be an option to unmount swaps or warn about it, which i've mentioned to upstream already
 Both true. But how much should the installer be expected to protect us from ourselves?
[21:16] <wxl> a lot XD
[21:17] <wxl> especially when they can't read the manual which mentions it XD https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.3/installation.html
[21:19] <wxl> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/860#issuecomment-427693844
 So now I’m expected to RTFM? Did you not see where I mentioned I run Arch? I don’t need no stink in’ manual...
[21:20] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2 i did make an interesting suggestion there of adding a shellprocess to `swapoff`. wonder if we shouldn't just do that?
[21:20] <wxl> @Dreamingwolf oh, i forgot. i'll put it on a wiki page and then you'll read it XD
 XD
[21:32]  * lynorian still has not heard back from teward on read the docs stuff but with 19.04 releasing in just over a week I will make a 19.04 branch and work in that and merge to master once teward finishes
[21:32] <lynorian> to not break 18.10 stuff for last few days
[21:34] <lynorian> I got the 18.10 branch up to current
[21:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6e8a97dfc87a: Update to 19.04 version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6e8a97dfc87a
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL13a32127c3f2: Add prefrences version update to 19.04] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL13a32127c3f2
[22:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL46d9de26b48c: Update accessories version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL46d9de26b48c
[22:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcaccb8ab2482: Update graphics programs version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcaccb8ab2482
[22:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0eb1949fd31e: Add note for tons of featherpad tab management] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0eb1949fd31e
[23:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc868b88c1aa2: Add missing period] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc868b88c1aa2
[23:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd67310b3b95d: Update version number to 19.04] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd67310b3b95d
[23:11]  * tsimonq2 manually yeets a test to see if Lugito can read diffs
[23:14] <tsimonq2> hmmmmmmmmm
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Guess it can't.
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[23:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8e7cefd2bfe7: Update Chapter 4 and Quassel and bluedevil version numbers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8e7cefd2bfe7
[23:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6fb4febdc7c0: Add start on how to use additional drivers for software sources] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6fb4febdc7c0


[16:49] <dek> hello i was wondering if there is a way to disable the program keyring
[16:50] <Guest64651> hello i was wondering if there is a way to disable the program keyring
[18:53] <derk> hello i am trying to install ubuntu budgie on a pc with no os and it keeps saying fatal error grub failed to install i was wondering if you could help me
[18:54] <fossfreedom> derk - have you completed the install?  This issue occurs after  the reboot ?
[18:55] <derk> no i am trying to install it
[18:55] <fossfreedom> have you checked the md5sum value of the ISO?
[18:56] <derk> i haven't done that but i have reinstalled it from the website
[18:56] <fossfreedom> yeah - worth double checking that there isn't corruption due to the download
[18:57] <derk> how would i go about checking it?
[18:57] <fossfreedom> you need another PC
[18:57] <derk> ok i have another one, but it runs windows
[18:57] <derk> i also have rufus on that pc
[18:58] <fossfreedom> quick google - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/889768/how-to-compute-the-md5-or-sha-1-cryptographic-hash-values-for-a-file
[19:01] <derk> ok, sorry i foregot i didn't reinstall it from the website, i just reinstalled the same file to the usb should i try reinstalling it from the website again instead
[19:02] <fossfreedom> download the ISO to your windows Download folder.  Run the md5 check on the downloaded ISO.  check the value against the published value.  Then write the ISO via rufus or etcher
[19:03] <derk> ok, thank you if will try that, but i will have to leave the chat because my internet is really slow so it might take over an hour to download, thank you very much for your help
[19:09] <fossfreedom> tsimonq2, noticed you have put your name down for MOTU - best wishes on the application.
[19:10] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom: Thanks a bunch :D
[19:11] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom: If I get MOTU, I'll be more than happy to work with you guys to upload whatever you need, it seems you guys wait a good chunk of time (from what I can see) to get stuff uploaded
[19:11] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom: That's not good, and that's one of the reasons I want to get MOTU (to be a sponsor)
[19:12] <fossfreedom> thanks - yeah - sometimes its a little frustrating waiting for a review, pinging etc.  All necessary evils I am sure.
[19:12] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[19:13] <fossfreedom> I've just put my name down for packageset upload rights.
[19:13] <fossfreedom> second time lucky .... maybe/hopefully
[19:13] <tsimonq2> \o/
[19:14] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom: Regardless, if something is not in your packageset but you need patches in, you'll need a MOTU ;)
[19:14] <fossfreedom> absolutely!
[19:49] <derk> hello I just installed ubuntu budgie an i set it up with lvm and i was wondering how to create a snapshop
[19:50] <fossfreedom> derk - snapshot? not sure I understand
[19:50] <fossfreedom> *snapshop
[19:51] <derk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[19:51] <derk> this is the link to talk about snapshots on ubuntu's website
[19:52] <derk> It is like a restore point so if you mess something up you can revert your system back to a previous state
[19:52] <fossfreedom> at the bottom of that link is an example of how to-do a snapshot
[19:55] <derk> ok, sorry, i'm really new to linux and i don't know much code, thank you
[19:57] <fossfreedom> derk - I havent tried this myself but apparently installing this package gives you a GUI to-do snapshots etc  system-config-lvm
[19:58] <fossfreedom> derk here is a good article that describes this https://www.howtogeek.com/211937/how-to-use-lvm-on-ubuntu-for-easy-partition-resizing-and-snapshots/


[06:18] <kermiac> evening everyone :)
[06:19] <kermiac> I was just going to grab the hardy 8.04.4 point release images & I noticed none of the links at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com are working
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:07] <ara> morning davmor2
[09:08] <davmor2> hardy.4 grub is still broken
[09:08] <davmor2> :(
[09:08] <kermiac> morning davmor2, ara :)
[09:09] <davmor2> morning kermiac hows aussie land
[09:09] <kermiac> it's very hot atm, lol
[09:09] <kermiac> 38 degrees and it's already just after 8pm
[09:10] <kermiac> i posted this before, but you guys were not in channel
[09:10] <kermiac> I was just going to grab the hardy 8.04.4 point release images & I noticed none of the links at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com are working
[09:11] <kermiac> what iso are we using to test hardy .4?
[09:15] <davmor2> kermiac: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/hardy/  click on daily or daily-live then current
[09:17] <kermiac> ty davmor2
[09:19] <kermiac> i see no testcases completed in iso tracker for hardy .4, is that correct? just wondering which image to d/l first to start testing
[09:26] <davmor2> kermiac: what ever you want I'd go with live for now though
[09:27] <kermiac> davmor2: yeah, I'm d/l i386 live atm
[09:27] <kermiac> ty davmor2
[09:28] <davmor2> kermiac: np's
[09:33] <ara> kermiac, please, set the test as started in the tracker when you start, please
[09:35] <kermiac> ara: will do
[09:35] <ara> kermiac, ta!
[09:35] <kermiac> still waiting for iso to d/l cdimage.ubuntu.com seems a bit slow atm
[09:36] <kermiac> only getting around 380KB/s
[09:36] <kermiac> still got 16.5 mins left for i386 iso
[09:37] <kermiac> np'd ara
[09:37] <kermiac> np's, even :)
[09:37] <davmor2> kermiac: see if there is a local mirror it might go faster for you
[09:38]  * kermiac checks for local mirror
[09:39] <kermiac> umm...is there a list of mirrors?
[09:41] <davmor2> kermiac: what the country code for australia?  then just try http://countrycode.cdimages.ubuntu.com/hardy/  for example http://us.cdimages.ubuntu.com/hardy/  is the one in the usa just try it in a web browser
[09:42]  * ara takes a break
[09:42] <kermiac> davmor2: usually au
[09:43] <davmor2> kermiac: so try http://au.cdimages.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[09:43] <kermiac> i'll see if i can get any extra speed from using http://au.cdimages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ as soon as the i386 image is finished - still got 9.5 mins
[09:44] <kermiac> ty davmor2
[09:45] <davmor2> kermiac: the only thing to look at if you use a local mirror is that you download the correct iso as listed on the tracker as your mirror might out.  other than that should be fine
[09:46] <kermiac> ok davmor2, checking the md5 should verify that right?
[09:49] <davmor2> kermiac: no the quickest test is to check the date.version number on the tracker against the local mirror.  eg 20100121.2 was the last one yesterday so you would just go in the browser and check that, that was the version on the mirror and then download it.  If not then use the standard cdimages instead of the mirror.
[09:49] <kermiac> ok ,ty davmor2 :)
[10:09] <kermiac> same speed when trying to use http://au.cdimages.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[10:09] <kermiac> looks like there's no au mirror :(
[10:18] <davmor2> kermiac: :( worth a try
[10:19] <kermiac> yup
[10:19] <kermiac> oh well, guess i'll only test i386 for now
[10:40]  * kermiac is calling it for tonight
[10:41] <kermiac> night all, time to watch some tv before bed
[11:45] <ara> kermiac, night!
[13:13] <davmor2> hello fader_ cr3
[13:14] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude, how's life?
[13:14] <cr3> hey dudes
[13:15] <davmor2> just got back from the hospital with the mother in law, that's fun :) now lunch then testing :)
[13:15] <fader_> davmor2: I hope everything is okay :(
[13:15] <davmor2> fader_: yeah just tests
[13:15] <fader_> Good good.
[13:34] <cr3> davmor2: man, you're testing even when you're not at the computer!
[13:34]  * cr3 is eating a bowl of cereal and wonders how it could be tested
[14:08] <davmor2> cr3: I'm just that damn good ;)  that would be the taste, fluid to solid content, sweetness and fibrous content the last of which you'll need to wait at least half a day for :D
[14:44] <davmor2> right now that's out the way to testing
[15:47] <davmor3> slackers
[15:47] <davmor2> davmor3: loser
[18:31] <davmor2> fader_: learn to type :P
[18:32] <fader_> davmor2: It's Friday... my brain is gone by now :)
[18:32] <davmor2> no now is when it kicks in it's the weekend :)
[18:36] <davmor2> fader_, cr3: enjoy your weekend tty soon
[18:36] <fader_> davmor2: You too!
[18:54] <moustafa> fader_, cr3: baguette!
[18:55] <slangasek> fader_, ara: looks like there's a long way to go on iso testing for 8.04.4; are we expecting this to ramp up Monday?
[18:56] <fader_> slangasek: I'm unlikely to have bandwidth to do much of the ISO testing as I'm having to do a lot manually to get the cert testing done for 8.04.4 :(
[18:57]  * slangasek nods
[18:57] <slangasek> fader_: was more wondering if you knew what the status was, seeing as you're QA team and ara is probably after-hours :)
[18:58] <fader_> slangasek: I don't know what the status is, sorry... I will shoot an email to the QA mailing list and request some extra help on this though
[19:00] <slangasek> ok
[19:00] <slangasek> I did email the QA list already, but I think my request is still stuck in the moderation queue
[19:01] <fader_> slangasek: Ah, okay... in that case me emailing as well would probably not help too much, as I'd also be stuck there until ara sees it anyway
[19:01] <fader_> moustafa: Hey, sorry -- missed your hello :)
[19:03] <slangasek> fader_: ah, heh; does the list not allow posts by subscribers?
[19:03] <fader_> slangasek: Not sure actually; I had just assumed you were a subscriber :)
[19:03] <slangasek> nope
[19:04] <fader_> Okay, then I'll change my mind again and send out the email... worth a shot
[19:09] <fader_> Sent.
[19:09] <slangasek> looks like ara did send out a mail, as well
[19:10] <fader_> Yes, I just followed up to hers
[20:37] <Akos> hi everyone
[20:38] <Akos> are the daily-live .iso's broken for the past 2 days?
[20:38] <Akos> i can't seem to get them started in virtual machines
[20:43] <fader_> Akos: I was okay yesterday on real hardware
[20:43] <fader_> Akos: I assume you checked the MD5 of the image already?
[20:44] <fader_> slangasek: http://people.canonical.com/~fader/sru-testing/8.04.4.html has some preliminary results up (basically the servers in the London DC); more results and better formatting to follow, probably Monday afternoonish
[20:44] <fader_> Though if things go very well I might have more today :)
[20:44] <slangasek> fader_: ok, thanks
[20:45] <slangasek> Akos: broken in a different way than how alpha-2 is broken on virtual machines (boot splash doesn't work)?
[20:50] <Akos> fader_: i zsynched them
[20:50] <Akos> slangasek: just simply it doesn't boot, so i can't install or get in the live cd mode
[20:50] <Akos> all i see is '_' on the top of the screen
[20:51] <slangasek> Akos: did alpha-2 work for you?
[20:51] <Akos> slangasek: i didn't try, but i'll download it now
[20:51] <slangasek> Akos: quicker test: try taking the 'splash' option off the kernel commandline when booting
[20:53] <Akos> slangasek: when booting of the CD?
[20:53] <slangasek> yes
[20:53] <Akos> i'll try too, not sure if i can
[20:54] <Akos> okay, done
[20:54] <Akos> i took out only splash out
[20:54] <Akos> should i take out 'quiet splash --' or just 'splash' ?
[20:55] <Akos> okay, taking quiet splash -- out started something
[20:57] <Akos> http://akos.me/lucid.png
[20:57] <Akos> this is where it halted for some time
[21:01] <Akos> http://akos.me/lucid1.png this is what has changed, nothing going on for minutes now
[21:01] <Akos> i'll download the alpha 2
[21:11] <Akos> alpha 2 works ..
[21:33] <kermiac> morning all :)
[21:45] <fader_> kermiac: Howdy
[21:47] <kermiac> hey fader_ :)
[21:58]  * kermiac is almost awake now after a few coffees. Time to start testing :)