[00:08] <SilentKiller> Hello
[00:09] <SilentKiller> Is there any way to install alternate xubuntu 8.10 from inside the regular xubuntu 8.04.1?
[00:09] <SilentKiller> I dont have another blank cd that I know of..
[00:10] <SilentKiller> Back.. Did anyone answer?
[00:21] <df--> could boot it on a USB stick instead of a CD SilentKiller
[00:21] <df--> pretty sure it's possible, anyway
[00:23] <SilentKiller> hmm
[00:28] <nolochemical> hey :D
[00:29] <nolochemical> greetings
[00:29] <nolochemical> ..just wondering how someone would change L2 cache configuration..
[00:31] <nolochemical> any one home ?
[00:36] <df--> I am, but with no idea what you're referring to nolochemical :P If it isn't a xubuntu specific question you might try the main channel (#ubuntu). More people around there
[00:50] <nolochemical> df--: thanks for the heads up heading over there now.. :)
[01:17] <SilentKiller> Found a cd :)
[01:17] <SilentKiller> Ok so I burned xubuntu 8.10 alternative cd..
[01:17] <SilentKiller> Using the burning program thats already installed on xubuntu..
[01:17] <SilentKiller> So now when I start up from cd.. I get a black screen with..
[01:18] <SilentKiller> boot:
[01:18] <SilentKiller> Up in the top left corner..
[01:22] <SilentKiller> Anyone know what to do?
[01:30] <SilentKiller> :)
[01:30] <SilentKiller> :(*
[01:34] <SilentKiller> Anyone?
[01:52] <SilentKiller> Can anyone help me?
[02:18] <SilentKiller> :)
[02:18] <SilentKiller> :(((
[02:18] <SilentKiller> :(
[02:39] <nraic> Does anyone know that name of that app people use in gnome for monitoring cpu, network etc. It sits on the task bar usually has 4 boxes
[02:43] <wormsxulla> gkrellm ?
[02:45] <wormsxulla> oh. in the task bar... then not gkrellm
[02:48] <nraic> http://www.gnome.org/~federico/misc/monitor-labels.png
[02:49] <nraic> Its in the bottom task bar in that screen shot
[02:55] <acalbaza> anyone able to play presentations on parleys.com using xubuntu and ff3.0.3?  mine freeze after 2-3 seconds.... wondering if its a flex thing.
[02:56] <acalbaza> join #ubuntu
[02:56] <acalbaza> oops
[04:36] <william56> hey everyone. i was just going to install xubuntu, and selecting 'install' brought me to a command prompt labelled (initramfs); anyone care to provide me with info on what i should read or do next?
[04:38] <william56> i can't seem to find any information on installing xubuntu
[04:40] <ball> is it practical to build Xubuntu on an Ubuntu machine and then install it over the top of the existing OS?
[04:40] <ball> (I have an Ubuntu machine here with no optical drive)
[04:45]  * ball waves to emma_
[04:58] <wormsxulla> hello. how can i stop the network manager from trying to connect to a network? i tried man network-manager, but found no manual
[05:02] <william56> anyone know how to read through logs from the console? vim and nano don't seem to be accessible
[05:07] <ball> william56 cat foo|less ?
[05:07] <william56> thanks
[05:08] <ball> you're welcome
[07:44] <SuperMario1776> Hello. I deleted Panel 2 from my new Xubuntu installation thinking it was workspace 2. How can I restore it?
[07:45] <SuperMario1776> The panel at the bottom of this image http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/scaled/Xubuntu%208.04%20Hardy%20Heron%20LTS/7.gif
[07:54] <SuperMario1776> nm, got it
[09:07] <ciapsadm> Hi, what you get cable from the network card you get back is not going, just after the restart give.
[09:14] <knome> eehh... what?
[09:20] <nikolam> ciapsadm, go to the system>network>unlock> and set dns and ip adress for your network card
[09:26] <ciapsadm> OK
[09:38] <Woo> Do you guys have an FTP server that works for Xubuntu that is easy to install and understand? I have tried VSFTPD and GPROFTPD.
[09:51] <ciapsadm> How do when I get on my Linux to automatically start an application?
[09:51] <ciapsadm> For exemple: pidgin
[09:52] <knome> ciapsadm, when logging out/etc. save a session with pidgin open
[09:52] <knome> ciapsadm, there's a checkbox in the shutdown dialog
[09:53] <knome> Woo, i use proftpd and it's quite straightforward
[09:54] <floating> other possibility is to add a command to start it up with autostarted applications
[09:55] <floating> but actually my pidgin starts automatically with each session as knome described
[09:55] <floating> that way*
[09:57] <ciapsadm> floating: How do I add to the autostart?
[09:58] <knome> ciapsadm, settins>settings manager>autostarted apps
[10:02] <ciapsadm> And in order that write to add Pidgin?
[10:02] <ciapsadm> Write pidgin?
[10:03] <Woo> Knome: Is that the same I have? First it was whining that I did not have a certificate, but I had never enabled any SSL/whatever things.
[10:03] <knome> Woo, i think gproftpd is different from proftpd
[10:05] <Woo> So... it is less g? ^^
[10:08] <knome> don't know
[10:08] <ciapsadm> Xchat use and do not know how to do I automatically saved channels.
[10:09] <ciapsadm> Every time I come in Xchat have to write / server and / join # xubuntu
[10:10] <knome> ciapsadm, try asking #xchat
[10:10] <ciapsadm> How do you get in my program automatically on the server and channel?
[10:10] <Woo> " sudo apt-get install vsftpd" how do i reverse this, and uninstall it?
[10:10] <knome> Woo, sudo apt-get remove vsftpd
[10:11] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get --purge remove vsftpd
[10:11] <ciapsadm> Ok
[10:11] <knome> Woo, use TheSheep one ^
[10:11] <knome> TheSheep, hello sir
[10:11] <Woo> Thank you.
[10:12] <ciapsadm> I blocked a program
[10:12] <ciapsadm> How do you get?
[10:12] <knome> what?
[10:13] <ciapsadm> Amarok
[10:13] <knome> ciapsadm, use synaptic to install?
[10:13] <ciapsadm> No
[10:13] <ciapsadm> Apt-get
[10:13] <knome> ciapsadm, sudo apt-get install amarok ?
[10:13] <ciapsadm> No
[10:14] <ciapsadm> I blocked so amarok.
[10:14] <ciapsadm> I do not want to install it, I want to get out of the program.
[10:15] <knome> ciapsadm, right-click the amarok systray icon and select quit.
[10:15] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+esc and then click on the program's window
[10:17] <Woo> Hey that is a nice thing in Linux... It killed the process that was running before it uninstalled it. I expected problems with it. :-)
[10:17] <floating> i hate linux sometimes
[10:18] <floating> after i have used it for awhile the love start to fade
[10:18] <floating> and i dont pay attention to it
[10:18] <floating> and some programs like firefox and one java program i use a lot are slower
[10:21] <TheSheep> floating: slower than what?
[10:21] <ciapsadm> I pressed Ctrl + Alt + esc and now I no longer panels
[10:21] <floating> on xubuntu that on windows xp
[10:21] <floating> ciap lol
[10:21] <knome> ciapsadm, alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[10:22] <ciapsadm> Not working
[10:23] <ciapsadm> Says canot open display
[10:27] <nikolam> ciapsadm, is your desktop working?
[10:27] <nikolam> right-click on it and desktop settings
[10:28] <nikolam> tehn behavior tab and select desktop menu on right click
[10:28] <nikolam> then on right click open terminal from accesories
[10:29] <nikolam> then run xfce4-panel &
[10:39] <floating> tell me something interesting i could do with linux
[10:39] <Woo> Really learn your password
[10:40] <Woo> or send the signals from your mouse to your hard drive
[10:40] <floating> i want to discover something new
[10:40] <knome> floating, play bastet
[10:46] <ciapsadm> Not working click right
[10:48] <floating> puuh
[10:48] <ciapsadm> Now go, but if you give it everything I restart occurs
[10:49] <ciapsadm> I now appears panel, but I do not appear icons
[10:50] <ciapsadm> What to do?
[11:07] <ciapsadm> I gave everything and restart not working.
[11:08] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: do you have free space on your disk?
[11:08] <ciapsadm> So I appear.
[11:08] <ciapsadm> Yes
[11:09] <ciapsadm> Since I gave Ctrl + Alt + esc to ruin
[11:09] <Woo> Right, I will try to install proftpd now. Does it have a GUI I can control it with?
[11:10] <ciapsadm> If you give me xfce4 panel appears panels, but not programs.
[11:10] <knome> Woo, no... ;)
[11:10] <knome> ciapsadm, yes, that's the way it is supposed to work.
[11:11] <Woo> Ok, can I control it with something else?
[11:11] <knome> Woo, config files
[11:11] <knome> Woo, you are asked some basic info at installation
[11:11] <Woo> Even adding users?
[11:12] <Woo> Because all I want is something that lets me log in, upload and delete files so I can back up my documents from my laptop. I've spent hours with this. =/
[11:12] <knome> Woo, proftpd uses xubuntu users - you just give them permission or not to use ftp
[11:12] <Woo> Oh, does it?
[11:13] <knome> yes
[11:13] <knome> proftpd might be a bit overkill for your usecase though
[11:13] <knome> do you have a lot to transfer?
[11:13] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: does it work when you create a new user?
[11:14] <ciapsadm> TheSheep: I do not know
[11:15] <ciapsadm> Well now, and what should I do?
[11:15] <ciapsadm> Back to defend my desktop.
[11:16] <Woo> No, I have a 1,9GB disk I wanted to use for this. ^^
[11:16] <Woo> What would you recomend?
[11:17] <ciapsadm> I do not know
[11:17] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'
[11:19] <ciapsadm> So go see desktopu
[11:19] <ciapsadm> But if you give restart no longer works: (
[11:22] <ciapsadm> If write-in terminal xfce4 panel and xfdesktop is still on track, unless removed from the terminal again not working
[11:30] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: try deleting your saed session from ~/.cache/sessions/
[11:31] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: just delete all files from that directory
[11:32] <knome> Woo, you might try ssh. the transfer is slower because of the encryption, but set up is easier
[11:32] <ciapsadm> Yes, I xfdesktop to add applications to start and we've added xfce4-panel and now everything goes well, that at first
[11:34] <Woo> Knome: Alright, is it anything like FTP? What software would you recomend for it? And proftpd would not install: http://bildr.no/view/273104.
[11:35] <knome> !ssh
[11:36] <knome> hmm...
[11:36] <knome> !ftp
[11:36] <knome> !ftpd
[11:47] <ciapsadm> Thank you very much, now go
[11:48] <ciapsadm> Without adding to autostarted
[11:48] <ciapsadm> I deleted those now in session and go;)
[12:21] <drowner> hello everyone
[12:21] <drowner> Is there anyone here to help me?
[12:22] <ciapsadm> Tell problem
[12:23] <ciapsadm> Can you help me
[12:23] <drowner> Ok
[12:23] <drowner> you want me to tell the problem?
[12:24] <drowner> I have a gnome default setup, but i prefer the xfce window manager. However, when i select a session that is not gnome (same thing happened with flux) i get booted out after about 30-60 mins. Its weird. How can I troubleshoot? Dmesg? Anything i should search for?
[12:44] <venome> booted out = exactly?
[12:45] <venome> drowner: in what way does it happen?
[12:45] <drowner> everything stops
[12:45] <drowner> and, its back to log in
[12:45] <drowner> so, the kernel doesn't stop - just the WM, it seems
[12:46] <venome> that sounds like the xserver gets an error and crashes
[12:46] <venome> try to look thru /var/log/Xorg*
[12:49] <drowner> cool
[12:49] <drowner> i'm in xfce now
[12:49] <drowner> so, if it happens, goodbye, and thanks for all the fish :D
[12:50] <drowner> i'll have a squizz there if i get booted again
[12:51] <venome> btw. try to edit the scripts that starts your session, and make it write the errors to file
[12:52] <drowner> good idea
[12:52] <drowner> lets say i wanted to do that
[12:52] <drowner> how would i do that ;) ?
[12:53] <venome> the scripts are located in /usr/share/xsessions/
[12:53] <venome> your one would likely be xfce.desktop
[12:53] <venome> there is an exec part in that file
[12:54] <drowner> OK
[12:54] <venome> that is the script that is run when you start the session
[12:54] <venome> edit that one
[12:54] <venome> (like edit the target script)
[12:54] <drowner> yeah
[12:54] <drowner> thanks
[12:54] <venome> no problem :)
[12:55] <drowner> of course
[12:55] <drowner> now its not happening
[12:56] <venome> yea, that's quite usual :)
[12:56] <drowner> unreproducable errors
[12:57] <drowner> damn you!
[13:01] <Woo> !ftpc
[13:01] <Woo> !ftp
[13:01] <Woo> !lifeuniverseeverything
[13:02] <Woo> !ftpd
[13:10] <BlueFriday> Trying to learn Linux atm, I havent been this confused in a long time
[13:10] <drowner> BlueFriday: Any particular problems someone can help you with
[13:11] <BlueFriday> It's just general stuff really. For example, I'm used to windows with installed programs ending up in C:\Program Files\ProgramName
[13:11] <BlueFriday> In linux, do the files get split into all the different folders or how does it work?
[13:12] <knome> BlueFriday, basically yes, binaries are most of the time in /usr/bin or /bin
[13:13] <knome> BlueFriday, but you don't have to worry about file locations in linux once software is installed - the package manager keeps track of the files, that's synaptic (apt) in xubuntu
[13:13] <knome> BlueFriday, and you usually can call the binaries from anywhere
[13:13] <BlueFriday> alright
[13:14] <DFlame> think of Synaptic Package Manager as Add/Remove programs, except better :)
[13:14] <BlueFriday> Yeah I installed irssi, xchat and some other stuff
[13:14] <BlueFriday> seems easy enough
[13:15] <drowner> debian is hot.
[13:17] <BlueFriday> So much to read up on, seems really nice though
[13:22] <drowner> it will come
[13:22] <drowner> just use it
[13:22] <drowner> and it will come
[13:22] <drowner> i mean, it hasn't to me
[13:22] <drowner> but i assume it will
[13:32] <BlueFriday> experimenting a bit. When instructions say that i should write PREFIX/bin/apachectl -k start, what does 'prefix' mean?
[13:35] <drowner> do you know where apachectl is?
[13:36] <BlueFriday> No idea tbh, is there a way to check? I just installed through synaptic
[13:36] <BlueFriday> (sorry for the stupid questions :F)
[13:37] <drowner> its proabably in either /bin/
[13:37] <drowner> or /usr/bin
[13:38] <drowner> dude, i don't even know what i'm talking about
[13:38] <drowner> those instructions - are they just asking you to start a program a certain way?
[13:38] <BlueFriday> pretty much
[13:39] <drowner> have you tried just saying 'apachectl -k start'
[13:39] <drowner> you don't usually have to put the /usr/bin in there
[13:39] <drowner> when you type a program, if its in bin or /usr/bin (which it will be) it will just run
[13:40] <drowner> wherever you are
[13:40] <TheSheep> if you have apache installed, it is started automatically at boot
[13:40] <DFlame> ^indeed. I keep a photo album on a small server upstairs. Can view the pics via the Wii on the big TV :)
[13:40] <BlueFriday> ah yes, "It Works"
[13:42] <BlueFriday> I'm a bit confused though. What's the difference between /usr/bin/, /usr/local/bin and /bin/?
[13:44] <BlueFriday> actually, nevermind, I'll stop pestering you guys and I'll use the power of google instead
[13:47] <DFlame> you'll get better answers in #ubuntu for general questions. More people hang around there, BlueFriday
[13:48] <BlueFriday> alright, thanks
[13:48] <DFlame> Xubuntu specific stuff like XFCE etc tend to be better answered here
[13:49] <DFlame> and have fun learning. It's both frustrating and enjoyable ;)
[13:51] <BlueFriday> yeah :)
[14:39] <vidd> Odd-rationale, PM me when you get up?
[14:43] <ciapsadm> What program to use the web?
[14:43] <ciapsadm> And to be god
[14:44] <ciapsadm>
[14:44] <ciapsadm> I use midori
[14:46] <vidd> ciapsadm, ?
[14:46] <ciapsadm> What program to use the web?
[14:46] <ciapsadm> Firefox, Midori...etc
[14:47] <TheSheep> firefox is pretty much the standard, although it's very heavy, epiphany is lighter and simpler, midori is not finished yet
[14:47] <vidd> default in x/ubuntu is firefox
[14:47] <TheSheep> there is also opera
[14:48] <knome> and lynx
[14:48] <charlie-tca> dillo, too
[14:49] <TheSheep> w3m
[14:50] <vidd> ciapsadm, plus....browsing is not the only thing you do with the web....
[14:50]  * charlie-tca thinks too many choices
[14:50] <vidd> those were just a small sampling of browsers available
[14:51] <vidd> then there is email, chat clients, bittorrents....etc!
[15:12] <ciapsadm> How do you lock your desktop?
[15:13] <Odd-rationale> ciapsadm: ctrl+alt+del i think is the default...
[15:13] <Odd-rationale> ciapsadm: you have to have xlock, xscreensaver, or gnome-screensaver for it to work though...
[15:19] <ciapsadm> Did not find the package xlock
[15:20] <vidd> ciapsadm, xlockmore
[15:20] <vidd> or xlockmore-gl
[15:22] <ciapsadm> Ok, now go
[15:22] <ciapsadm> ;)
[15:41] <ciapsadm> I deleted Firefox, but everything I have in the computer.
[15:41] <ciapsadm> I used the command sudo apt-get purge firefox
[15:42] <ciapsadm> And was not delete
[15:42] <vidd> ciapsadm, sudo apt-get remove --purge [app]
[15:45] <ciapsadm> Not go :(
[15:45] <vidd> did you replace [app] with the application you wissh to remove?
[15:47] <ciapsadm> Yes
[15:48] <vidd> did it claim to remove the meta-package firefox?
[15:48] <ciapsadm> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:48] <vidd> so ...close whatever application is using it (like synaptic)
[15:50] <vidd> did you even bother to read what the error said?
[15:50] <ciapsadm> No
[15:50] <vidd> i can tell
[15:50] <ciapsadm> I need a iceweasel
[15:50] <ciapsadm> And not go sudo apt-get install iceweasel
[15:52] <vidd> that is because iceweasel is not in the repos
[15:52] <vidd> you will need to find the .deb for it and download it
[15:55] <ciapsadm> And how shall. Deb?
[15:55] <ciapsadm> On www.geticeweasel.org not find
[15:56] <vidd> ciapsadm, read this http://www.debianadmin.com/install-iceweasel-web-browser-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html
[15:56] <vidd> ALL of it
[15:57] <vidd> where it says "#wget...." it means "run wget as root"
[15:57] <vidd> what that means to you is replace "#" with "sudo "
[15:58] <ciapsadm> Ok
[15:59] <vidd> ciapsadm, whenever you read instructions, "#" means "as root" and "$" means "as unprivleged user"
[15:59] <vidd> to run something as root in ubuntu, you use "sudo [command]"
[16:00] <knome> vidd, there was an ubuntu tutorial later on that page anyway :P
[16:01] <vidd> knome, thats why i told hime to read it ALL
[16:01] <vidd> =]
[16:01] <knome> yes :P
[16:01] <knome> but that does explaining the # and $ unnecessary
[16:01] <knome> uh
[16:01] <vidd> but i dont really expect him to
[16:01] <knome> he should learn to read everything
[16:02] <vidd> pfft....he should learn to read
[16:02] <knome> this way you'll end taking him to shower and telling him where the soap is and how to use it
[16:02] <vidd> he got an error b4 that dpkg was in use
[16:02] <knome> and you DON'T want that
[16:02] <knome> yes.
[16:02] <knome> we shouldn't give obvious user support...
[16:03] <knome> but tell them to read properly and try to learn things by themselves
[16:03] <vidd> yesterday i told him i wasnt going to go to his house and install his graphics card for him
[16:03] <knome> yes ;)
[16:03] <knome> exactly
[16:03] <knome> it's better to teach users to understand what is going on
[16:04] <knome> rather than just rushing out commands for them
[16:04] <knome> well usually at least.
[16:04] <ciapsadm> ciapsadm@Ciapsa:~$ sudo dpkg -i iceweasel_<IP_ADDRESS>pre-2.deb
[16:04] <ciapsadm> dpkg: cu privire la iceweasel_<IP_ADDRESS>pre-2.deb conținând iceweasel:
[16:04] <ciapsadm>  hunspell-en-us în conflict cu iceweasel (<< <IP_ADDRESS>-2)
[16:04] <ciapsadm>   iceweasel (versiunea <IP_ADDRESS>pre-2) este pe cale să fie instalat.
[16:04] <ciapsadm> dpkg: eroare la procesarea iceweasel_<IP_ADDRESS>pre-2.deb (--install):
[16:04] <ciapsadm>  conflict între pachete - nu se instalează iceweasel
[16:04] <ciapsadm> Erori întâlnite în timpul prelucrării:
[16:04] <ciapsadm>  iceweasel_<IP_ADDRESS>pre-2.deb
[16:04] <ciapsadm> ciapsadm@Ciapsa:~$ iceweasel
[16:04] <ciapsadm> bash: iceweasel: command not found
[16:04] <ciapsadm> Block minodori and not paste to pastebin.ca
[16:04] <vidd> !past | ciapsadm
[16:04] <vidd> !paste | ciapsadm
[16:04] <knome> ciapsadm, did you read the output dpkg gave you?
[16:05] <bassboi> goddamn it, ktorrent is messing with me. at first it tells me theres 4 hours left... then i have to logout and back in cuz of an error, and it's done... i know it can't be true so i remove it, but keep the data, and reload the .torrent, and it's starting over.
[16:05] <mib_l33k> try 7 : http://l33k.wordpress.com/ Xubuntu based distro
[16:05] <vinnl> !swear | bassboi
[16:05] <vinnl> Too bad :P
[16:05] <bassboi> lol
[16:05] <charlie-tca> !language
[16:05] <vinnl> Ah ^.^
[16:05] <knome> mib_l33k, this is not an advertising (tv) channel
[16:06] <bassboi> !language | vinnl
[16:06] <bassboi> LoL
[16:06] <bassboi> smart bot
[16:06] <vinnl> Heh, nice
[16:06] <mib_l33k> sry
[16:06]  * charlie-tca nods
[16:06] <knome> calm down people, plese.
[16:07] <mib_l33k> anyone knows the BeOS Tracker ?
[16:07] <vidd> mib_l33k, what about it?
[16:07] <mib_l33k> it had a nice right click context menu
[16:08] <ciapsadm> I read and I give erroare when I do what I have read
[16:08] <mib_l33k> enabled you to browse through your filesystem very easily
[16:08] <mib_l33k> I would like to something like this in Thunar too
[16:09] <mib_l33k> *to see
[16:09] <vidd> ciapsadm, can you translate the error you got into english then?
[16:10] <vidd> i believe the error is saying you have a version conflict...but i only speak/read english
[16:11] <ciapsadm> Errors were encountered while processing: iceweasel_<IP_ADDRESS>pre-2.deb
[16:11] <vidd> ok...
[16:11] <vidd> you need to get a more up-to date version
[16:12] <vidd> methinks the latest version is 3.[something]
[16:13] <ciapsadm> What should I do?
[16:20] <vidd> ciapsadm, http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel
[16:23] <ciapsadm> Why a lion there, I find iceweasel
[16:25] <ciapsadm> Here: Download iceweasel
[16:25] <ciapsadm> Can not download
[16:26] <vidd> which link did you click?
[16:26] <ciapsadm> Yes
[16:26] <vidd> ??
[16:27] <ciapsadm> I gave click
[16:27] <vidd> there are 11 different packages to choose from, based on what achetecure you are using....
[16:27] <vidd> wich one did you click?
[16:30] <ciapsadm> Yes
[16:30] <ciapsadm> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.4.4-4_i386.deb
[16:30] <ciapsadm> And not find download
[16:31] <knome> ciapsadm, why are you downloading aptitude ?!
[16:32] <vidd> knome, because he cant follow instructions or read
[16:32] <knome> ciapsadm, isn't there anybody who can help you at #ubuntu-ro ?
[16:34] <vidd> ciapsadm, you chose i386 on the http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel page
[16:35] <vidd> that brings you to http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/iceweasel/download
[16:35] <vidd> right?
[16:39] <ciapsadm> Yes
[16:39] <vidd> then what did you click on?
[16:42] <vidd> ciapsadm, then what did you click on?
[16:42] <ciapsadm> Yes
[16:42] <vinnl> ciapsadm, I'd really give it a try in #ubuntu-ro if I were you
[16:42] <vidd> or are you just opening the pages as i get them and not bothering to read what the pages say?
[16:42] <ciapsadm> Ok
[16:44] <BlueFriday> how much performance do I lost running xubuntu through vmware btw
[16:44] <BlueFriday> *lose
[16:49] <knome> BlueFriday, that's not xubuntu specific
[16:50] <BlueFriday> indeed
[16:50] <vinnl> I suppose that would depend on how you configure VMWare
[16:50] <vinnl> But you're probably best off in, say, #vmware
[18:03] <RandyboY> I have a ubuntu machine here which earlier was xubuntu, what do i do to revert to xubuntu and remove all of the ubuntuthings installed with the ubuntu when i installedit?
[18:04] <vidd> RandyboY, HOW did you install ubuntu over xubuntu?
[18:05] <RandyboY> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:05] <vidd> then sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[18:06] <vidd> this SHOULD get rid of all the extra stuff that ubuntu added that xubuntu doesnt need
[18:06] <RandyboY> ok, so xubuntus xfce is still there?
[18:06] <RandyboY> aha
[18:06] <vidd> there is always the possibility that a package here or there might get left
[18:07] <RandyboY> yeah, as long as it gets most of it
[18:07] <vidd> the --purge gets rid of config files as well as the applications
[18:07] <RandyboY> yeah, great ill try :)
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Does anyone know why the LiveCD has a 10 second countdown on the login screen?
[18:23] <vidd> charlie-tca, so the livecd loads the desktop for the user
[18:23] <vidd> =]
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Could it be 2 or 3 seconds instead?
[18:24] <vidd> that would be for the -devel group =]
[18:24] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:25] <vidd> but if you hit your enter key, it should launch for you
[18:25] <vidd> i assume its to give the user time to change default config (language, etc) before it auto-launches
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I figured if I hit enter, it'll go to 30 and wait for my name and password!
[18:27] <vidd> have you tried it?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> not yet, but I will on the next restart
[18:28]  * vidd doesnt use livecd's so he cant be 100% possitive
[18:28] <charlie-tca> I have been testing them, so I can try it
[18:35] <william56> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2065160&postcount=10 anyone know how i can access what that guy was talking about in xubuntu?
[18:37] <charlie-tca> william56: should be the same way. You should have the speaker on the top panel, right side.
[18:37] <william56> there isn't one
[18:38] <william56> all i've got up there is a pidgin icon, the network status icon, the time, and that quit button
[18:39] <charlie-tca> try right click on the panel, add new item, Volume Control
[18:39] <vidd> william56, right-click on one of your panels and add "volume manger"
[18:39] <vidd> control...not manager
[18:39] <william56> ah, hell yea. thanks
[18:40] <vidd> william56, also....if you use more then one media application (like toem for movies and something else for music) check those apps for volume levels
[18:41] <vidd> for example, i use gxine for movies....
[18:41] <vidd> i had the volume set to about medium, and my pidgin audio was reduced...even though volume control had everything set to max
[18:43] <william56> well, i had everything maxed in both my media player and alsamixer.. i have to set the volume to headphone in windows too
[18:43] <vidd> so windows is jacked up too?
[18:44] <vidd> or did we help you fix it already?
[18:45] <william56> uhh, windows is working fine.. theres a panel in it that came from the driver cd that lets me choose headphone for a volume boost, making it sound normal.. selecting headphone in xubuntu, though, seems to be making the sound more quiet, though
[18:46] <vidd> william56, so even with the volume control you still having issue?
[18:46] <william56> yep
[18:46] <vidd> are you using headphones?
[18:47] <william56> nope
[18:47] <william56> i'm using a pair of speakers with nothing but a cord to connect to my pc
[18:47] <vidd> if you right-click the volume icon and choose "properties"....
[18:48] <vidd> what choices do you have under "device"
[18:48] <william56> just this: #0: HDA ATI SB
[18:48] <vidd> and what is selected for "Wannabe Master"?
[18:48] <william56> the master was originally selected
[18:50] <william56> changing that doesnt seem to affect anything
[19:11] <vidd> sorry...im at work and a call came in
[19:11] <william56> no problem
[19:12] <vidd> im at a loss....
[19:13] <vidd> looks like ALSA has your right card selected'
[19:13] <vidd> and its configured correctly
[19:14] <vidd> actually...what is the issue? no sound or quite?
[19:14] <william56> it's quiet with everything in alsamixer at 100%
[19:15] <vidd> silly question.....are the speakers plugged into the correct jack?
[19:15] <william56> yep.. i believe so
[19:15] <william56> it's the green jack in the back of my pc
[19:15] <vidd> how many jacks are there?
[19:16] <william56> 6 i think
[19:16] <william56> plus two in the front
[19:16] <william56> actually there are 5 and a square one
[19:16] <vidd> ic
[19:16] <vidd> try plugging the speakers into the headphone jack on the front
[19:17] <vidd> any better?
[19:17] <william56> can't hear anything now; lemme check alsamixer
[19:17] <vidd> set headphone to max
[19:18] <william56> it's already maxed, i just needed to re-enable it. it's louder than using the back, but it still isn't very loud. and now i'm noticing a lot of static
[19:19] <vidd> you have a dolby 5.1 surround sound sound-card
[19:19] <william56> btw "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec" returns "Codec: Realtek ALC883"
[19:20] <vidd> and you are using speakers that dont support it....
[19:20] <vidd> plug the speakers into the black jack on the back
[19:20] <vidd> any better?
[19:20] <william56> no sound at all now
[19:21] <vidd> move the speakers from jack to jack
[19:21] <vidd> one of them is the mono-out
[19:22] <vidd> it will produce the best sound
[19:22] <vidd> are these speakers powered?
[19:22] <william56> nope
[19:22] <vidd> then dont expect to get all that great sound out of them
[19:23] <william56> well, in windows, at least, i can get clear loud sound
[19:23] <vidd> in windows, you can stupify the card
[19:24] <vidd> your best bet will likely be the headphone selection
[19:24] <vidd> or you can invest in some 5.1 compatable speakers
[19:24] <william56> huh, i just plugged a pair of headphones into the green jack, and there's static without any sound playing
[19:24] <william56> though the sound is louder this way
[19:26] <vidd> since your speakers are not powered, there is no volume control on them
[19:27] <vidd> if ya get some better speakers (or at least powered speakers) you would see improvement
[20:04] <volo> hi
[20:05] <vidd> hello volo
[22:04] <wuesti> moin, moin!
[22:16] <JannoTT> !8.10
[22:18] <JannoTT> !9.04
[22:19] <JannoTT> That's funny name
[23:56] <Zerothis> how do i increase my virtual using xrandr? I'd like a 1024x768 next to a 1024x768, I currently have a 640x480>640x480. Getting a 'screen cannot be larger than 1280x1200' error. manually adding "virtual 1664 768" to my xorg.conf boots to console
[23:57] <vagab0nd> can anyone help me configure my wireless?
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> !wireless | vagab0nd


[13:24] <knome> hmm, so i just changed the #xubuntu topic link for 18.10 to the release page, but instead of mentioning the latest release, why don't we just say "Supported releases:" and the link to https://xubuntu.org/releases ?
[18:51] <flocculant> knome: makes sense


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[11:24] <utkarsh2102> laney: hey, if you have time, I've got one more removal request, please? LP: #1931315.
[11:28] <laney> utkarsh2102: not right now, I'm a bit tied up, sorry, hopefully another ubuntu-archive can help or I'll try to later on
[11:29] <utkarsh2102> laney: sure thing, thanks!
[11:41] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: hello, I wanted to ask about the schleuder MP; are you going to merge it, too? :)
[11:52] <juliank> Anyone sees obsolete stuff in the autopkgtest queue we can delete? let me know
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[11:54] <juliank> I see python-oslo.policy
[11:55] <juliank> ah no, got confusedc
[11:59] <juliank> Deleting python-pbr/5.5.1* now, superseded by 5.6.0
[12:03] <sil2100> utkarsh2102: ouch! Forgot to git push!
[12:03] <sil2100> Yes, done now o/
[12:04] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: awesome, thank you!
[12:35] <sil2100> hm, did britney hang for impish?
[12:35] <sil2100> Looking on snakefruit, I don't see any log movement since over 30 minutes
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[13:11] <ricotz> sil2100, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-10/+bug/1930125/comments/14
[13:30] <sil2100> ricotz: that would be more for doko I suppose ^
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[13:44] <ricotz> sil2100, I know, what I had in mind is questioning the verification-done flags to block it
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[15:06] <utkarsh2102> laney: TIA if you get around to doing the laravel removal I requested, else no problem! see ya o/
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[15:51] <vorlon> laravel removed now fwiw
[15:53] <laney> merci
[15:54] <laney> juliank has just reactivated the workers on bos01
[15:54] <laney> and I assume is keeping an eye on the logs ;-)
[15:54]  * juliank is looking at logs, yeah
[15:54] <laney> juliank: maybe followup to devel?
[15:54] <juliank> laney: I want to wait for one test to finish
[15:54] <laney> we had one!
[15:54] <laney> or you mean one of many
[15:55] <laney> or one xenial or something
[15:55] <juliank> laney: yeah I saw it now
[15:55] <juliank> laney: i was actively tracking the first one
[15:55] <laney> 😎
[15:57] <bryyce> vorlon, awesome thanks!
[15:57] <vorlon> also going through other removal requests on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-archive&field.status=NEW&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=INPROGRESS&field.status=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&orderby=-id&start=0 , y'all have been busy
[15:58] <bryyce> wow yeah that is a lot
[15:59] <bryyce> I may have a few more php bits to drop too.
[15:59] <bryyce> but not yet; need to see what goes through with symfony.
[16:03] <juliank> Let's just drop all packages and call it a day
[16:03] <juliank> :D
[16:06] <vorlon> bryyce: ping me when you have them please, I'm sure to have context switched away from this list again by then :)
[16:06] <bryyce> vorlon, will do.  thanks again
[16:06] <teward> *prods vorlon* aren't package removals AA tasks...?
[16:07] <teward> ah i see your reply to that bug never landed in my mailbox *points at quarantine*  nevermind
[16:13] <teward> vorlon: per Eickmeyer and reply on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-rack/+bug/1928087, nuke it.
[16:14] <vorlon> teward: cheers
[16:14] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Feel free to nuke that one from orbit. It was very buggy.
[16:20] <vorlon> \o/
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[17:04] <bdmurray> vorlon: Could you review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/retry-bugmessage
[17:37] <bryyce> vorlon, looks like php-robmorgan-phinx/0.9.2-3build1 and php-cboden-ratchet/0.4.2-1build1 can be dropped as well; only movim depends on them.  I'll update the bug report (unless you'd prefer a new one)
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[22:11] <vorlon> bryyce: either way is fine
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[12:41] <zyga-mbp> hello, I'm having issues resolving archive URLs in Ubuntu 20.10 in GCE
[12:41] <zyga-mbp> http://us-east1.gce.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy/main amd64 libthai-data returns temporary DNS failures
[12:42] <zyga-mbp> it started earlier today
[12:42] <zyga-mbp> but dose not affect 20.04 or other releases
[13:57] <Aison`> my postfix server always hangs for a few second when acception an mail on the submission port.
[13:57] <Aison`> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NCvrmHwkJj/
[13:57] <Aison`> it looks like there is some kind of dns lookup and the answer times out
[13:58] <Aison`> the strange thing is, that nslookup <foobar> <IP_ADDRESS> is very fast
[13:59] <sdeziel> Aison': could you share the (main.cf and master.cf) sections of config for that submission instance?
[14:00] <Aison`> main.cf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cVNMNKQq8S/
[14:00] <Aison`> master.cf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xwT2ZfnSwV/
[14:00] <Aison`> sadly there is quite some virtual stuff
[14:00] <Aison`> but this "TIMEOUT" is very new, I suddenly started a few days ago
[14:00] <Aison`> the mailserver works now several years
[14:01] <Aison`> maybe it is somehow related to systemd-resolved?
[14:05] <ahasenack> I'd suspect an ipv6 dns resolution
[14:05] <ahasenack> I see the same with sudo on many ubuntu boxes
[14:05] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1765477
[14:06] <ahasenack> I started seeing it in bionic
[14:06] <sdeziel> Aison`: the reject_unknown_sender_domain and reject_unknown_recipient_domain can be responsible for those DNS resolutions
[14:07] <sdeziel> Aison`: I'd advise to switch the reject_non_fqdn_sender and reject_unknown_sender_domain in  mua_sender_restrictions. The reason being that reject_non_fqdn doesn't require a DNS resolution
[14:25] <Aison`> sdeziel, ok, going to try that later ;) but anyway, it is quite strange that it fails
[14:25] <Aison`> I mean the dns resolution timeout
[14:28] <Aison`> ahasenack, I guess here its since upgrade to focal
[14:33] <sdeziel> Aison': I never ran into this as we run our mail server with a local unbound, worked well for us
[17:05] <tomreyn> zyga-mbp: 20.10 is unreleased, there's channel #ubuntu+1 for it. someone reported problems with systemd after a recent update there yesterday, *maybe* this is related (resolver not working due to bad service management?)
[17:06] <zyga-mbp> it is
[17:06] <zyga-mbp> systemd-networkd goes down during the upgrade to 246
[17:06] <zyga-mbp> a systemctl reset-failed + restart fixes everything
[17:06] <zyga-mbp> just unfortunate, there are also bugs in systemd-logind upgrade
[17:06] <tomreyn> :-/ still seems like a topic for +1 rather
[17:06] <zyga-mbp> is +1 a channel?
[17:06] <zyga-mbp> ubuntu+1?
[17:07] <tomreyn> "there's channel #ubuntu+1 for it"
[17:07] <zyga-mbp> ha
[17:07] <tomreyn> so yes
[17:07] <zyga-mbp> joining


[07:43] <rogpeppe> urulama: yo!
[07:46] <urulama> rogpeppe: heya!
[10:52] <rogpeppe> urulama: why are we storing machine and unit count in extra-info ?
[12:00] <frankban> morning all
[12:01] <rick_h_> morning
[12:02] <bac> hi rick_h_
[12:02] <bac> and frankban
[12:03] <rick_h_> how's europe treating your bac?
[12:03] <bac> it's great
[12:04] <frankban> bac: welcome back
[12:04] <bac> ty
[12:05] <rick_h_> bac: for the charm failure, it seems to only be when you have the cloud-archive enabled that you get this failure per the comment from Nicolas.
[12:05] <rick_h_> bac: I'm going to try to run the full test suite with the dep removed today and if the tests pass I think I'll just push a new charm version without the dep.
[12:06] <bac> rick_h_: ok
[12:06] <rick_h_> I seemed to have added it during the git conversion and maybe it was something I didn't need but ran into during testing/debug
[13:54] <hatch> morning all
[14:03] <rick_h_> howdy hatch
[14:31] <rick_h_> phew, ok back in irc. I feel human again
[14:32] <lazyPower-sprint> rick_h_: Can I get you to take a look at something for me?
[14:32] <lazyPower-sprint> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/rails/+bug/1366660
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1366660: Rack charm does not exist <rails (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed for lazypower> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366660>
[14:32] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: looking
[14:32] <lazyPower-sprint> there's some voodoo going on in the store
[14:33] <rick_h_> so if it used to exist and the branch was removed it's not gone until it's gone from the charmstore (juju go based store)
[14:33] <lazyPower-sprint> yeah, i figured it was some phantom data left over
[14:33] <lazyPower-sprint> this is pretty old, as rack was renamed to trails before I came on board
[14:33] <hatch> this kinesis keyboard is getting easier to use...but really sucks that it has big issues with OSX
[14:33] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: looking, sec
[14:33] <rick_h_> hatch: :( stop using OSX :P
[14:33] <lazyPower-sprint> +1 to rick_h's sentiment ;)
[14:34] <hatch> haha kind of hard being the host OS
[14:34] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm-info?charms=cs:precise/rack
[14:34] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: so yea, we'd need to work with IS, get the charm removal script run against that charm in teh CS, then we have a delete button in charmworld to remove it from there
[14:34] <lazyPower-sprint> ok, do you need me to retarget the bug?
[14:35] <lazyPower-sprint> i dont think this is mission critical to people actually finding it - as its existed for 8 months before i even became aware of it
[14:35] <lazyPower-sprint> but it might be worth adding it as a low priority item to eject it from the store
[14:37] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: yea, bac do you know if we ever got the delete docs into the wiki
[14:38] <bac> rick_h_: i'm unsure.  i think that was benji who worked on it ... a long time ago
[14:38] <rick_h_> bac: it was cmars actually that added it to the core charmstore. There's a script in there. I guess I could just look at the charmstore code now
[14:39] <bac> rick_h_: yes, it was cmars who had created the script.  i think benji worked on doing some deletions.  i'm not sure where he would've documented it.
[14:39] <rick_h_> bac: ah found an email with it in an RT
[14:40] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: forwarded you an email. If you are interested I think it'd be good for you all to know how this works as well as us.
[14:40] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: you can file an RT for the removal sometime and once that's complete we'll remove from charmworld
[14:42] <bac> rick_h_: please forward to me too and i'll put it on the wiki
[14:43] <rick_h_> bac: note that'll change once we get our charmstore in place of the old one
[14:43] <rick_h_> bac: but good to have for the next little bit
[14:43] <bac> ty
[14:50] <hatch> rick_h_:  so do you do any key remappings?
[14:51] <rick_h_> hatch: the kenisis?
[14:51] <rick_h_> hatch: you can recode any key to anything in the keyboard itself
[14:52] <rick_h_> https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/support/technical-support/faqs-advantage-keyboard/
[14:52] <rick_h_> hatch: ^
[14:52] <rick_h_> check out the swap from win/osx and the one on remapping a key
[14:53] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 8min, kanban please
[14:54] <hatch> rick_h_:  right, but have you found any favourable mappings?
[14:54] <rick_h_> delete is my meta key
[14:54] <hatch> = is too far away and {} are hard to hit ive found
[14:54] <rick_h_> ls
[14:55] <rick_h_> = isn't a problem for me I guess.
[14:55] <rick_h_> the win/meta key was too far so moved that down to delete
[14:55] <rick_h_> well, swapped those two really
[14:55] <hatch> ahh yeah that's a good idea
[14:55] <rick_h_> other than that, no I don't think I moved much else around
[14:56] <hatch> i have to plug it in after my laptop boots else it blocks the boot process :)
[14:56] <rick_h_> oh :/
[14:57] <lazyPower-sprint> rick_h_: sounds good to me. thanks for the follow up
[14:57] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: np
[14:57] <rick_h_> lazyPower-sprint: make sure to poke people about GUI/machine view on the orange box stuff please :)
[14:58] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 1 go go go
[14:59] <rick_h_> bac: kadams54 ^
[14:59] <rick_h_> rogpeppe: ^
[15:07] <rogpeppe> rick_h_: oops, was lunching...
[15:26] <hatch> jujugui is there a way to force destroy a service so i don't have to resolve all the failed hooks?
[15:29] <frankban> hatch: you can try with "juju destroy-machine --force {machine where the unit is placed} && juju destroy-service service {service name}", but I am not sure it works
[15:32] <hatch> yeah was hoping for a --force on the destroy-service but it doesn't look like it exists
[16:18]  * rick_h_ goes to get some lunch
[16:59] <lazyPower-sprint> frankban: additionally juju-deployer -T is also gnarly for destroying all machines but your bootstrap node.
[17:00] <frankban> lazyPower-sprint: good to know thanks
[17:08] <hatch> vms.....
[17:09] <rick_h_> oh back and such
[17:21] <hatch> jujugui I need a review and qa https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/534
[17:22] <hatch> kadams54_:  are you going to review huws brach or do you need to pass it off?
[17:23] <frankban> hatch: FYI while you were away lazyPower-sprint mentioned that juju-deployer -T can be used for destroying all machines but the bootstrap node
[17:24] <hatch> frankban:  oh cool thanks
[17:33] <hatch> kadams54_: I did the fina.l review on huws branch
[17:33] <hatch> Makyo: I added your tag to the card
[17:33] <Makyo> hatch, oh, thanks
[17:33] <Makyo> I forgot :(
[17:34] <hatch> haha np
[17:50] <hatch> rick_h_:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1364956 I'm not sure what to do here as we don't support this interaction any longer
[17:50] <mup> Bug #1364956: Removing a unit via the inspector creates a sticky remove unit command in the deployer bar <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1364956>
[17:50] <hatch> close as invalid now?
[17:52] <rick_h_> hatch: otp, will look in a sec
[17:53] <hatch> sure np
[17:59] <hatch> Makyo: your branch ready for review?
[18:00] <Makyo> hatch, should be yep.
[18:00] <hatch>  cool I;ll take one
[18:00] <Makyo> jujugui need some reviews, QA in real env https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/535
[18:00] <hatch> now
[18:00] <hatch> u got to do one for me :P
[18:00] <Makyo> Sure
[18:01] <hatch> Makyo: you have a merge commit in here?
[18:02] <Makyo> hatch, yeah, I was worried there would be conflicts around deployer bar stuff.
[18:02] <hatch> ahh
[18:02] <Makyo> Scared after my last branch :P
[18:05] <hatch> haha
[18:06] <hatch> Makyo: one comment while my ec2 instance spins up
[18:07] <Makyo> hatch, will look into it (this is the confirm button, not deploy, so I stayed away initially)
[18:07] <hatch> ohh ok that may be it
[18:12] <rick_h_> hatch: so it seems that'd be a good thing to try to get QA on the orange box stuff.
[18:13] <rick_h_> hatch: I got a contact for the one in london and I'll try to get that email going
[18:13] <frankban> guihelp: I need two reviews for https://codereview.appspot.com/139350043 (quickstart/python). Thanks!
[18:13] <hatch> sounds good I'll put it back into the queue
[18:15] <rick_h_> hatch: update the card with a "NEEDS QA" prefix to help others not grab it or such
[18:15] <hatch> ok i blocked it with a note about orange box qa
[18:15] <rick_h_> cool thanks
[18:26] <hatch> Makyo: so I just qa'd and it looked like it didn't change anything. the commit button was still active long after clicking it and the summary closing
[18:27] <hatch> was a commit missed or something?
[18:27] <Makyo> hatch, I just tried on lxc.  Let me try again on EC2
[18:28] <hatch> just cleared cache and got the same result
[18:30]  * frankban grabs some food
[18:35] <Makyo> hatch, check for a config-changed hook failure, I get that a lot when setting juju-gui-source\
[18:37] <rick_h_> Makyo: hatch I think you have to be on trusty to get the source change correct
[18:38] <rick_h_> Makyo: hatch and you can check the version.js to make sure it's setup right
[18:41] <hatch> rick_h_: Makyo the files being sent over the wire have the changes as per the pr
[18:41] <Makyo> Huh, okay, digging.
[18:44] <hatch> grabbing lunch
[19:14] <Makyo> hatch, I see what's going on, misunderstood.  Good news is that toggle deploy button will help :P
[19:18] <kadams54_> guihelp: looking for QA and reviews on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/536
[19:20] <kadams54_> rick_h_: one of the remaining MV cards is for this bug, which is marked as invalid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1365053
[19:20] <mup> Bug #1365053: Add units dialogue on pre deployment inspector is confusing <juju-gui:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365053>
[19:21] <jcastro> rick_h_, oddly enough that ddclient icon renders fine in inkscape on my box
[19:22] <rick_h_>  jcastro yea, does in gimp here to
[19:22] <jcastro> huh
[19:27] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, it's odd. I've not seen it before but I'm not an svg spec expert
[19:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: I tried to look for an svg validation service or the like w/o any luck
[19:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: so sorry to punt, but if the browser won't show the icon the gui can't either.
[19:28] <jcastro> no worries
[19:28] <jcastro> I might just redo the icon entirely
[19:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: k, let me know if I can help. And by help I mean get luca to send you to someone on the design side that knows image steuff
[19:29] <rick_h_> kadams54_: looking
[19:29] <rick_h_> kadams54_: ok, so the question then is the add units collapsed by default?
[19:29] <rick_h_> kadams54_: I think this might have been left as a place holder to do that work
[19:31] <rick_h_> kadams54_: so just to verify, it's not yet collapsed like the post-ghost inspector view and needs to be done
[19:39] <frankban> guihelp: need one more review + QA for https://codereview.appspot.com/139350043 . anyone available? thanks
[19:40] <hatch> Makyo: :) cool let me know when you'll be ready for another review
[19:40] <hatch> frankban:  I can look at it
[19:40] <frankban> hatch: thanks!
[19:41] <hatch> frankban: I don't have a utopic vm
[19:41] <hatch> do I need one?
[19:41] <frankban> hatch: it's not required
[19:41] <hatch> ok sounds good
[19:42] <rick_h_> frankban: are you going to need a charm release soon around this?
[19:43] <rick_h_> frankban: I need to do one for the dep fix and the bug on the cloud-archive and wonder if we should sync up
[19:44] <frankban> rick_h_: no I don't, but I can take care of releasing the charm if you want. what was the fix for libapt stuff? just removing the dep?
[19:44] <rick_h_> frankban: yea, just removing the dep seems to qa ok and passes tests
[19:44] <rick_h_> frankban: if you can peek at that it'd be cool thanks
[19:45] <frankban> rick_h_: cool if functional tests pass then sounds good: perhaps that was required at some point (maybe as a support library for python-apt). who knows
[19:46] <rick_h_> frankban: yes, git blame says I last edited the line but can't recall/find any reason for it to be there
[19:46] <rick_h_> err bzr blame
[19:46] <frankban> rick_h_: ok, I'll start a charm release, which includes running the ftests on precise, and if that works the it's all good
[19:46] <rick_h_> frankban: ty much
[19:46] <rick_h_> frankban: there's a card in the top of the board for it atm
[19:47] <frankban> rick_h_: cool
[19:47] <hatch> hmm I also haven't got bzr set up either hah
[19:49] <rick_h_> hatch: can't get rid of that yet :P
[19:49] <hatch> frankban: can you remind me the best steps to take to get your code down?
[19:50] <frankban> hatch: bzr init-repo juju-quickstart
[19:50] <frankban> cd juju-quickstart
[19:51] <frankban> bzr branch lp:juju-quickstart trunk
[19:51] <frankban> bzr checkout --lightweight trunk sandbox
[19:51]  * rick_h_ runs away for the day. Have a good night all
[19:52] <frankban> bzr branch lp:~frankban/juju-quickstart/utopic-update-dependencies
[19:52] <frankban> cd sandbox
[19:52] <frankban> bzr switch ../utopic-update-dependencies
[19:52] <frankban> hatch: ^^^
[19:52] <hatch> oh wow all the steps :) thanks
[19:53] <hatch> it's been a while since i've bzr'd
[19:53] <frankban> hatch: and then, in the future, you just have to start from branching the code you need to review
[19:55] <hatch> excellent.....can we switch to git yet? :P
[20:02] <hatch> frankban: I don;t have hp creds, did you test hp?
[20:02] <frankban> hatch: in theory we can... the only missing thing is a way to automatically build deb packages in the PPA. anyway, I still like the bzr+reitveld workflow (especially the reitveld part) ;-)
[20:02] <frankban> hatch: I did, you can skip that step if you want
[20:04] <hatch> ok I'll test the rest thx
[20:04] <hatch> you LIKE that workflow? ugh I want to rip my eyes out lol
[20:05] <frankban> hatch: heh, github code review is less than optimal IMHO
[20:06] <hatch> true but the bzr workflow leaves quite a bit to be desired
[20:07] <frankban> hatch: uhm... you convinced me, I'll move quickstart to bitbucket so that we can all enjoy mercurial ;-)
[20:07] <hatch> lol!!
[20:07] <hatch> victory is mine
[20:08] <frankban> :-)
[20:11] <hatch> frankban: lgtm'd
[20:11] <frankban> hatch: thanks!
[20:14] <hatch> rick_h_:  are you ok with us no longer testing non mv stuff?
[20:14] <hatch> oh he's gone
[20:14] <hatch> heh
[20:23] <hatch> kadams54_: review done - I don't see any tests for anything other than the changes made to state.js
[20:23] <hatch> Makyo:  is yours ready for another qa?
[20:58] <hatch> jujugui i still need reviews on my last branch
[21:07] <hatch> Makyo: hey u kickin around? Can you remind me of the details for the card "Clear config-changed ECS entries"
[21:07] <Makyo> hatch, we need to be able to back out config changed entries in the ECS.  It's the only thing we can't reverse.
[21:08] <hatch> oh right because we don't know the original values
[21:08] <Makyo> Correct.
[21:08] <hatch> ok I'll work on creating the cloned config card
[21:29] <kadams54> guihelp: Need reviews and QA on: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/537
[21:52] <hatch> Makyo:  ok so for this cloned local config store...
[21:52] <hatch> I've come up with 2 rules
[21:52] <hatch> local config changes do NOT modify it
[21:53] <hatch> delta changes do....even if said changes aren't represented in the inspector because of a conflict
[21:53] <hatch> sound good?
[21:54] <hatch> that way we always have a record of the 'true' config values in juju
[21:54] <hatch> so reverting any changes will revert to what juju has, not what was local
[21:54] <Makyo> Yeah, I think that's what we need; we already have a conflict resolution story in place.
[21:54] <Makyo> YEp
[21:54] <Makyo> RFC?
[21:55] <hatch> rfc?
[22:59] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:03] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:05] <huwshimi> hatch: How's things?
[23:05] <hatch> they are ok....still getting used to my new kinesis advantage keyboard...geting better though
[23:06] <hatch> I cam type pretty well but special chars are still hard heh
[23:07] <huwshimi> woah, that thing looks crazy
[23:09] <hatch> yeah it is, but besides the cognitive load being exhausting now my fingers don't really feel like they have done anything all day compared to my old ergo keyboard
[23:11] <hatch> I'll likely have to remap some of the keys for coding but other than that it's pretty awesome....well except that my latptop won't boot with is plugged in
[23:12] <hatch> ...lol
[23:12] <huwshimi> oh, hah
[23:13] <hatch> yeah...not sure waht to do about that
[23:13] <hatch> they say it's apples fault....but I don't know of any other keybaord that does that
[23:14] <huwshimi> nice customer service
[23:15] <hatch> yeah...especially at
[23:15] <hatch> this price...i
[23:15] <huwshimi> ouch
[23:22] <huwshimi> hatch: Do you happen to know how to delete individual units using the ecs? If I do a db.removeUnits(...) it doesn't seem to go through the ecs.
[23:22] <hatch> you have to make the call of the env
[23:22] <hatch> the env then hits the ecs
[23:23] <hatch> huwshimi: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/store/env/go.js#L1310
[23:23] <huwshimi> hatch: Ah great!
[23:29] <huwshimi> hatch: Strange, if you remove a deployed unit it removes the machine as well!
[23:30] <huwshimi> (deployer bar just says it will remove the unit)
[23:32] <hatch> hmm that shouldn't be correct
[23:32] <hatch>  is this in a real env or just sandbox?
[23:32] <hatch> because I did that exact interaction a few times today and it left the machine running
[23:32] <huwshimi> hatch: sandbox
[23:34] <hatch> hmm lemme take a look
[23:35] <hatch> you are correct
[23:35] <hatch> that is odd heh
[23:37] <huwshimi> :(
[23:37] <hatch> I'm guessing you need that machine to stay working?
[23:37] <hatch> :)
[23:40] <huwshimi> hatch: Not for this branch, but it seems like a bug to me :)
[23:43] <hatch> yup, but a sandbox bug at least


[02:23] <dalek49> why does juju require a local charm to be under a "precise" directory?  I'm running raring, and when I put it under "raring" it complains that it can't find anything in "precise"
[02:29] <sarnold> dalek49: does your environment say to deploy on precise or raring?
[03:54] <dalek49> sarnold: it's not specified, does it default to precise?
[09:22] <bladernr`> davecheney: sorry...
[09:23] <bladernr`> davecheney: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-key-pairs.html
[09:24] <bladernr`> I have two different keypairs… 1 is stored locally and allows me to ssh from my machine to an instance i created and associated with that key.
[09:26] <bladernr`> the other I use when creating other instances and allows me to ssh from my main ec2 instance that runs juju to the newly created instance…  IOW, key1 allws me to ssh from my workstation to ec2_instance_1.  I create a new instance manually and set it to use key2. Key 2 allows me to ssh from ec2 instance_1 to ec2_instance_2
[09:27] <bladernr`> manually, it works fine… what I'm trying to find, now, is the key to set in environments.yaml to tell juju "When you create an instance, associate it with ec2 keypair 'key2'"
[09:28] <bladernr`> davecheney: you mentioned AWS environment variables earlier, and I can find ones to specify the aws API keys so juju can spawn instances, but I can't find one to specify those ec2 keypairs as described in the link I posted
[09:28] <bladernr`> davecheney: sorry, I'm really not trying to be obtuse or intentionally confusing...
[09:28] <bladernr`> it's just working out that way
[09:34] <freeflying> does juju core support export whole deployed environment?
[12:32] <aethelrick> hi all, I've made a change to the postgresql charm that allows you to set a admin_ip configuration option which causes this ip to be added to the pg_hba.conf file... anyone want to check it out for sanity?
[12:33] <aethelrick> I'm not a python programmer... but it seems to work ok for me :)
[12:35] <mthaddon> aethelrick: do you have a merge proposal?
[12:36] <aethelrick> mthaddon, wastha? sorry, I'm new here... I started playing with juju yesterday for the first time
[12:36] <marcoceppi_> aethelrick: Do you have a launchpad account>
[12:36] <aethelrick> marcoceppi_, not yet... I'm sure I can make one though...
[12:37] <mthaddon> aethelrick: if you want to get a change made to the upstream charm, you'll need to create a merge proposal on launchpad and it'll then show up on http://manage.jujucharms.com/review-queue
[12:37] <marcoceppi_> aethelrick: that'd be the first place to start. Once you have a (free) account, you can push your version of the code to launchpad and people can review it
[12:38] <aethelrick> mthaddon, ok, thanks... will figure that out and get back to you when merge proposal is submitted
[12:38] <aethelrick> marcoceppi_, thanks :)
[12:38] <mthaddon> k
[12:57] <kenn> Hi guys, also just starting out with juju. Really like it so far, have experience with Chef on RightScale, this seems more ... sane
[12:58] <kenn> have a question though, I deployed a service which failed during install. I then ran destroy-service so I could deploy it to the machine again, but it's not going away. Is there a way to force the destruction of a service?
[12:59] <aethelrick> ok, I have made a merge request for postgresql
[13:00] <aethelrick> this is the branch I made... https://code.launchpad.net/~richard-asbridge/charms/precise/postgresql/postgresql-admin-ip
[13:01] <marcoceppi_> aethelrick: you were really close, you need to reverse the order
[13:02] <marcoceppi_> aethelrick: you want to merge lp:~richard-asbridge/charms/precise/postgresql/postgresql-admin-ip in to lp:charms/postgresql :)
[13:02] <marcoceppi_> kenn: welcome!
[13:02] <kenn> ah there we go, juju resolved did the trick
[13:02] <marcoceppi_> kenn: when a service is in an error state all future events (including destroy) are queued
[13:03] <kenn> thanks marcoceppi_
[13:03] <marcoceppi_> kenn: you have to resolve the error before continuing
[13:03] <marcoceppi_> kenn: ah, you got it, cool
[13:04] <kenn> marcoceppi, actually just watched the charm schools on Local/LXC Provider, thought your name looked familiar. Great video thanks for that, it really cleared up a lot of small random things for me
[13:05] <marcoceppi> kenn: glad that worked out for you, there were a lot of odd things that popped up during that charm school, so I'm happy you found it helpful
[13:07] <marcoceppi> aethelrick: the merge looks good, I'd just change the default from 'None' to an empty string
[13:51] <Kab> hi im trying to deploy to a vps i have running ubunutu 12.04
[13:52] <jcastro> jamespage: ooh, tell me about this percona xtradb you've got going on
[14:06] <Kab> the urls in juju init are wrong
[14:08] <marcoceppi> Kab: what do you mean the URLs are wrong?
[14:09] <Kab> type in juju init
[14:09] <marcoceppi> Kab: right, I'm familiar with this, which provider are you trying to use?
[14:09] <Kab> they all give https://juju.ubuntu.com/get-started/ url
[14:09] <Kab> local
[14:09] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ^
[14:10] <marcoceppi> Kab: we just had a new website released, looks like they didn't properly 301 redirect the URLs
[14:10] <marcoceppi> Kab: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-local.html
[14:11] <jcastro> YARGH
[14:11] <jcastro> Kab: which URLs are you running into this?
[14:11] <marcoceppi> Kab: make sure you add the ppa:juju/stable before installing mongodb-server
[14:11] <marcoceppi> jcastro: they're in the juju init output
[14:11] <marcoceppi> jcastro: and all over the internet
[14:11] <jcastro> oh
[14:12] <jcastro> just the root get-started
[14:12] <jcastro> got it
[14:12] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, going to make a tool to prevent this from happening ever again
[14:12] <aethelrick> marcoceppi, hi, was away from desk, I will change the None to an empty string
[14:13] <marcoceppi> aethelrick: no worries, thanks. You'll also want to update the merge proposal, I sent instructions in your current merge request
[14:13] <aethelrick> marcoceppi, thanks :)
[14:13] <jcastro> marcoceppi: make sure it spams the planet when we break urls
[14:14] <marcoceppi> aethelrick: otherwise, the merge looks good. I'm on review this week so I might not get to it today, but I'll be looked at sometime this week
[14:14] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, seriously
[14:16] <kurt_> marcoceppi: has that configuration for single provide been tested with maas?
[14:16] <jcastro> marcoceppi: they're already working on it
[14:16] <marcoceppi> kurt_: what do you mean by single provide been tested with maas?
[14:16] <jcastro> but still ... :-/
[14:17] <kurt_> marcoceppi: local rather
[14:17] <jcastro> marcoceppi: did you see the manual provisioning stuff on the list? I totally missed it until this morning
[14:17] <jcastro> marcoceppi: oh nm, I see you replied
[14:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I did!
[14:17] <marcoceppi> kurt_: you don't use the local provider with maas
[14:17] <marcoceppi> maas is it's own provider :)
[14:18] <kurt_> but what about the case of trying to consolidate services when deploying?
[14:18] <kurt_> ie. --to
[14:18] <kurt_> I'm wondering if this is a more elegant solution for that
[14:19] <kurt_> so far I have not had a lot of success trying to consolidate services with 1.12
[14:24] <jamespage> jcastro, active/active mysql :-)
[14:24]  * jamespage disappears again
[14:24] <jcastro> whoosh!
[14:34] <gnuoy> hazmat, hi there, I'm not sure if you're the right person to ask but I have a pretty small mp to lp:juju-deployer/darwin that would be great to get landed if  you get a moment ( https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/juju-deployer/darwin-fix-force-machine/+merge/183613 )
[14:39] <hazmat> gnuoy, noted
[14:39] <gnuoy> thanks
[14:39] <hazmat> gnuoy, at a conference today, but can tackle in this evening
[14:39] <gnuoy> that would be awesome, thank you
[14:41] <arosales> hazmat, should evilnickveitch take pythonhosted.org/juju-deployer for instructions on juju deployer for the juju docs?
[14:42] <hazmat> arosales, there's not much there, src for that is lp:juju-deployer && cd docs
[14:43] <jcastro> marcoceppi: redirect fixed
[14:44] <marcoceppi> jcastro: \o/
[14:47] <arosales> hazmat, ok we'll start with the basics. From there we can get your feedback,
[14:47] <arosales> hazmat, if you have an outline on what you would like the docs to look like evilnickveitch can also build from there.
[14:48] <arosales> jcastro, were you still working on the django workflow for the docs
[14:49] <jcastro> I just mailed the guys
[14:49] <jcastro> bruno is full up on work, waiting to see what patrick says
[14:49] <arosales> wedgwood, would you be interested in some getting some docs to evilnickveitch  for charm helpers?
[14:49] <arosales> wedgwood, it can be a rough outline and evilnickveitch cand word smith
[14:49] <wedgwood> I'm definitely interested...
[14:50] <wedgwood> I'm afraid I won't have time to devote until tomorrow afternoon.
[14:52] <evilnickveitch> wedgwood, that would be cool
[14:52] <arosales> wedgwood, thanks, even if you have a rough outline to evilnickveitch by end of week that would be helpful
[14:53] <arosales> marcoceppi, to confirm are you still working on how to upgrade a charm for the docs?
[14:53] <wedgwood> I'll try my hardest
[14:53] <arosales> wedgwood, thanks
[14:53] <marcoceppi> arosales: yes
[14:54] <arosales> marcoceppi, thanks and also the juju plugin bits too, correct?
[14:54] <marcoceppi> arosales: correct
[14:56] <arosales> marcoceppi, thanks
[15:19] <Kab> the lxc install script is broken
[15:20] <Kab> it does not fully install
[15:37] <marcoceppi> Kab: care to elaborate?
[15:58] <kurt_> marcoceppi: I'm picking up where I left off from about a week and a half ago.  I mentioned I was having problems destroying services after a failed deployment.  I believe you said I need to resolve the error prior to destroying service - is that correct?
[15:59] <marcoceppi> kurt_: that's correct, You can run the destroy command at anytime - it's not until the unit is resolved of it's error that the next events will be processed
[15:59] <kurt_> macroceppi: and if I cannot actually resolve the problem? does it matter?
[16:00] <kurt_> will I still be able to successfully destroy the service?
[16:02] <marcoceppi> kurt_: so you can run `juju resolved` and that just tells juju "pretend like I've resolved this issue"
[16:02] <marcoceppi> kurt_: it doesn't actual validate if you've resolved the issue or not
[16:03] <marcoceppi> it just marks the error as fixed and moves on to the next event
[16:04] <kurt_> marcoceppi: ah ok, so the only requirement is to successfully mark the problem as resolved (assuming in the mongodb) and the service can be successfully destroyed.
[16:05] <kurt_> marcoceppi: a question related to this, when using the gui, does it take care of all of this in the background? or is there some similar manual intervention.
[16:06] <marcoceppi> kurt_: right, by marking it resovled juju just continues execution of queued events, which in this case, is the destroy environment
[16:06] <marcoceppi> kurt_: there is both a "resovled" and "retry" button on the unit screen in gui. The first just runs `juju resolved`, the second runs `juju resolved --retry`
[16:07] <marcoceppi> no further manual intervention is required
[16:08] <kurt_> marcoceppi: ok, thank you.  This is a workflow change from previous versions of juju.  I think it should be documented, or perhaps commented in an error condition or something.  This was a source of confusion.
[16:09] <marcoceppi> kurt_: it's psudeo documented. Previously you could destroy services in an error state
[16:09] <kurt_> it's not clear that you have to resolve the problem before a service can be destroyed
[16:09] <kurt_> yes, why can't that be supported?
[16:09] <kurt_> that would make life easier
[16:10] <marcoceppi> kurt_: that's no longer the case as you see. However, there is this section https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-destroy.html which says to see the troubleshooting guide
[16:10] <marcoceppi> kurt_: unfortunately that troubleshooting link is broken
[16:12] <kurt_> marcoceppi: it is broken :)
[16:12] <marcoceppi> kurt_: when it shows up again, that'll be fixed
[16:12]  * marcoceppi files a bug
[16:12] <kurt_> marcoceppi: is there a technical reason one should not be able to directly destroy service like before?
[16:13] <marcoceppi> kurt_: it's the way events are processed by newer version of juju
[16:13] <kurt_> is it a problem with state tracking of the service and relations?
[16:13] <kurt_> yeah ok
[16:13] <marcoceppi> kurt_: it's not a problem, but a fix to another issue
[16:13] <marcoceppi> in order to destroy a service you need to fire the stop hook
[16:14] <marcoceppi> kurt_: in earlier versions of juju you destroyed a service it basically just removed it from the juju topology and that was that. No stop hook would fire therefore it didn't matter. To fix that there's a dying state now, which says this unit is to be removed after all queued events have completed
[16:15] <marcoceppi> kurt_: So, if you're in an error state, all hook executions are stopped and queued, including the stop hook and the destroy event
[16:15] <marcoceppi> kurt_: so this "problem" is actually the way juju is supposed to work
[16:15] <marcoceppi> it's just a fix to a long standing bug :)
[16:15] <kurt_> I see.
[16:16] <kurt_> its just an interesting condition to leave things in an un-ending state
[16:17] <kurt_> I guess in a particular use case
[16:17] <marcoceppi> kurt_: no so much unending, everything just pauses when there's an error
[16:18]  * kurt_ thinking
[16:19] <kurt_> marcoceppi: maybe its the terminology "dying" that is getting to me.  that implies action when the process is actually paused.
[16:19] <marcoceppi> kurt_: well it is /dying/ just how long it takes to die is up to you :)
[16:19] <kurt_> marcoceppi: right.  Maybe I'm too caught up in my own confusion.  LOL
[16:21] <kurt_> marcoceppi:  do you have a cached copy of that troubleshooting guide somewhere?
[16:26] <marcoceppi> kurt_: I don't think it ever existed. I'm looking through revision history now
[16:27] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: ^
[16:28] <kurt_> thanks
[16:34] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: also, where should the charm-tools documentation live? I don't know what section to put it under
[16:36] <evilnickveitch> marcoceppi, I am adding a new section for it and other tools
[16:37] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: \o/ cool. I'll just keep adding pages then to add to that section later
[16:38] <evilnickveitch> kurt_, the troubleshooting page isn't live, but marcoceppi  has given you a good summary of what it has to say on the subject
[16:45] <jamespage> jcastro, just answered http://askubuntu.com/questions/343349/installing-ceph-and-ceph-osd-charms-on-same-machine/343883
[16:45] <jamespage> we really need a way to say - "don't do this" - in a way that juju can enforce
[16:47] <kurt_> evilnickveitch: thanks. I will look forward to that working.
[16:51] <X-warrior> If I'm using postgresql charm with volume-ephemeral-storage as false and volume-map  as "{ postgresql/0:  S3 volume-id }". Do I need to attach the volume to instance? Or does the charm/juju will handle it form?
[16:52] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: juju can't do any volume attaching IIRC, you'll need to do it yourself
[16:57] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: what would "juju plugins" go under?
[16:58] <evilnickveitch> marcoceppi, I guess the same section as charm tools and amulet?
[16:59] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: well this is "how to create plugins" as well as install plugins
[16:59] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: not sure if that changes anything
[17:00] <evilnickveitch> marcoceppi, I think for the time being we will group all those things together
[17:00] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: cool, what should I prefix the files with? reference-* ?
[17:01] <evilnickveitch> I think "tools-", it will be a new section
[17:15] <fwereade_> marcoceppi, evilnickveitch, jcastro: https://code.launchpad.net/~fwereade/juju-core/docs-splurge/+merge/184833 has quite a lot of new stuff
[17:15] <fwereade_> marcoceppi, evilnickveitch, jcastro: sorry it took so long
[17:16] <jcastro> better late than never!
[17:16] <evilnickveitch> fwereade_, cool! thanks for that, i will look it over tomorrow
[17:35] <X-warrior> is it possible to use a persistent storage on mysql config? Similar to postgresql? I don't think so, but maybe I'm missing something
[17:36] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: not that I'm aware of
[17:53] <X-warrior> marcoceppi: last question for the day (hopefully), is it possible to use elastic ip with juju?
[17:54] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: you can assign an elastic ip to your instances, via the EC2 control panel. It won't affect juju at all. However, there is no way to do this from within juju at this time
[17:54] <marcoceppi> * that I'm aware of
[18:13] <X-warrior> marcoceppi: Does this elastic ip control fits in juju?
[18:13] <X-warrior> I mean, this type of feature is in juju 'scope'?
[18:14] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: I'm not sure if it's something on the road map or not. I know juju can kind of work with floating-ips using OpenStack, but I'm not sure if there are plans to manage elastic ips with ec2
[18:15] <X-warrior> marcoceppi: well I'm willing to add it to juju, but before I start something I would like to check if it is something that could be used inside juju or not, because if it is not, I guess I can go with ec2 control panel
[18:15] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: check with #juju-dev that's where all the core developers hang out
[18:15] <X-warrior>  ty
[18:15] <X-warrior> :D
[18:38] <kurt_> Is 1.13.3 tested against maas yet?  I was trying to figure out where to download
[18:51] <marcoceppi> kurt_: 1.13.3 is in ppa:juju/devel
[18:53] <kurt_> thanks :)
[18:55] <marcoceppi> kurt_: as it stands now all 1.EVEN releases are in juju/stable and all 1.ODD releases are in juju/devel - the versioning follows the linux kernel where odds are devel and evens are stable
[18:56] <kurt_> marcoceppi: thanks.  Don't particular app release levels follow the different ubuntu release levels too?  Like isn't 1.14 for raunchy rabbit or whatever its called?
[18:57] <kurt_> rearing rhinoceros or whatever
[18:57] <sarnold> kurt_: that's only packages in the archive (it'd be juju 0.7-0ubuntu1 in the raring ringtail archive)
[18:57] <sarnold> kurt_: ppas have no rules
[18:58] <marcoceppi> kurt_: right now the only version of juju in raring, 13.04, is 1.10 and that's in backports
[18:58] <marcoceppi> kurt_: we've got 1.14 in saucy, 13.10, but the PPA will move forward regardless of the version in the archives
[18:58] <marcoceppi> well, we have 1.13.3 in saucy, but that is essentially 1.14
[18:58] <kurt_> ok, still learning the release level stuff
[18:58] <sarnold> marcoceppi: hrm, saucy still has pyjuju! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju
[18:59] <marcoceppi> sarnold: don't look at me!
[18:59] <sarnold> jcastro: hey can I give you the funny look? :) ^^^
[18:59] <marcoceppi> sarnold: it looks like juju points to 1.13.3, there's a juju-0.7 in saucy
[18:59] <marcoceppi> but I think that's just for backwards compat?
[19:00] <sarnold> marcoceppi: hrm... I wonder what I'm missing here.
[19:00] <jcastro> yeah
[19:00] <jcastro> .7 iss there for people who want it
[19:00] <jcastro> but apt-get install juju does the right thing
[19:00] <sarnold> oh good :) crisis averted :D
[19:01] <sarnold> thanks guys
[19:01] <jcastro> sarnold: jamespage has handled everything, it's lovely
[19:20] <kurt_> is there a problem with sync-tools in 1.13.3?
[19:21] <kurt_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6089411/
[19:21] <kurt_> s/http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6089411//
[19:22] <kurt_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6089417/
[19:23] <kurt_> sync-tools don't appear to be downloading correctly
[19:36] <kurt_> nevermind: glitch passed apparently
[20:07] <kurt_> Is there a later version (but somewhat stable version) of the juju-gui I could be testing with?
[20:08] <kurt_> currently working with charm: cs:precise/juju-gui-76
[20:08] <kurt_> or 0.9.0
[22:55] <lamont> 2013-09-10 21:51:28 ERROR juju supercommand.go:235 command failed: no tools available
[22:55] <lamont> clearly, I misseed something simple.
[22:55] <lamont> jcastro: around? ^^
[22:57]  * lamont tries the "juju sync-tools" route
[22:58] <sarnold> lamont: while you're waiting for an expert to weigh in :) I believe I've read that the tools have to be in an s3/swift/etc bucket -- is that configured properly in the environments.yaml?
[22:58] <lamont> sarnold: well.
[22:58] <lamont> this a new everything
[22:58] <lamont> so, "wrong" is a rather likely scenario
[22:59] <sarnold> lamont: hehe :)
[22:59] <lamont> found 0 tools in target; 8 tools to be copied
[22:59] <sarnold> lamont: any luck with sync-tools?
[22:59] <lamont> 2 down, 6 to go
[22:59] <sarnold> promising :)
[23:07] <lamont> error: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "precise" images in co-01 with arches [amd64 i386]
[23:07] <lamont> now to figure out what the magic names are that it looks for
[23:25] <lamont> public-bucket-url: <URL TO JUJU-DIST BUCKET> <-- I would love to know how to construct that URL
[23:30] <thumper> lamont: hey there
[23:31] <thumper> lamont: luckily wallyworld is spending his time making this better
[23:31] <lamont> that will be wonderful later.
[23:31] <lamont> I'm hoping for "finally, it worked" tonight.
[23:31] <thumper> lamont: I think wallyworld may be able to help now if he is around
[23:31] <lamont> and afk for a goodly while, sadly.
[23:31] <wallyworld> lamont: you need to be given the public bucket by the cloud admin. but it is going away soon hopefully
[23:32] <wallyworld> lamont: you get the url by looking at the keystone endpoint
[23:44] <lamont> wallyworld: I am the cloud admin.  can you provide me with clue?
[23:44]  * lamont has about 10 minutes before he disappears again
[23:45] <wallyworld> lamont: the url is the public endpoint url for the world readable container which has been created in order to hold the tools tarballs
[23:46] <wallyworld> lamont: eg for canonistack, it is https://swift.canonistack.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_526ad877f3e3464589dc1145dfeaac60
[23:47] <wallyworld> does that make sense?
[23:47] <lamont> almost
[23:47] <wallyworld> is this for a new cloud?
[23:47] <lamont> there's the origin of that token, and how to create a public bucket, that remain beyond my experience and understanding
[23:47] <lamont> yes
[23:47] <lamont> private cloud
[23:48] <wallyworld> you can use the swift client to create a container
[23:48] <wallyworld> and then mark it as world readable
[23:48] <wallyworld> i'd have to look up the exact commands
[23:49] <wallyworld> once you have the juju-dist container, you then do swift post -r .r:*,.rlistings juju-dist
[23:50] <wallyworld> is there juju doc somewhere for how to set up an openstack deployment? i'm not across what out tech writer has produced
[23:51] <wallyworld> but basically you need to set up a swift account, create a juju-dist container, make it world readable, and then add tools tarballs to a tools sub contaner
[23:51] <lamont> I've found at least 2 docs claiming to describe at least bits of it, without actually working correctly for me.
[23:51] <wallyworld> :-(
[23:51] <lamont> swift stat juju-dist gives me the account AUTH_${string} and
[23:51] <lamont> Container: juju-dist
[23:51] <lamont>   Objects: 3
[23:51] <lamont>     Bytes: 1139
[23:51] <lamont>  Read ACL: .r:*,.rlistings
[23:52] <wallyworld> that looks ok i think
[23:52] <lamont> if I am silly enough to think that https://swift.$mumble/v1/AUTH_$string should give me more than a 401 when I smack it with wget, well, I get the 401
[23:52] <wallyworld> if you do a keystone catalog you can see the full url
[23:53] <wallyworld> that will give a 401 i think, you need to type the url of an object in the container
[23:53] <wallyworld> i think wget of the top level does give a 401
[23:54] <wallyworld> there should be files in juju-dist called "tools/juju-blah.tar.gz"
[23:54] <wallyworld> wget on those should work
[23:55] <wallyworld> for canonistack, this is wget able - https://swift.canonistack.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_526ad877f3e3464589dc1145dfeaac60/juju-dist
[23:55] <wallyworld> as are the tools therein
[23:56] <hatch> hey guys I'm getting an error with a newly installed juju-core from /stable when I try to `juju --version` it says `error: flag provided but not defined: --version`
[23:56] <hatch> it's on 12.04
[23:56] <lamont> so... if the account is AUTH_nnnnn and juju-dist is the container, and it has tools/juju-1.12.0-precise-amd64.tgz, then the url is?
[23:56] <lamont> assmuing https://swift.foo.com/v1/
[23:57] <wallyworld> lamont: the public-bucket-url would be https://swift.foo.com/v1/AUTH_nnnnn
[23:57] <wallyworld> see the canonistack example above
[23:58] <lamont> error: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "precise" images in co-01 with arches [amd64]
[23:58] <wallyworld> lamont: you now need to set up some image metadata so juju knows the image id to use
[23:58] <wallyworld> there is a tool for that
[23:59] <wallyworld> juju metadata generate-image i think
[23:59] <wallyworld> you need to know the image id you wsnt to use for amd64 precise
[23:59] <wallyworld> and then you run the above tool. see the --help


[14:20] <xnox> cjwatson: in partman-crypto we default to not erase data, yet i don't see a way to pressed that value in an automatic install such that it _does_ erase disk =/
[14:22] <cjwatson> it's "skip_erase" in a recipe - if that's omitted then it'll erase
[14:23] <cjwatson> that's the intent anyway
[14:25] <cjwatson> antarus: sorry for the delay.  the best documentation I suspect is in doc/devel/ in the debian-installer source package.  the "multiraid" and "condpart" strings you're referring to aren't really keywords, but are covered by:
[14:26] <cjwatson> <debconf name>::=<debconf template>_::
[14:26] <cjwatson> The purpose of <debconf name> is to allow translation of the names of
[14:26] <cjwatson> the recipes into different languages.
[14:26] <cjwatson> (I suspect this isn't generally convenient, as it requires injecting a debconf template)
[14:26] <xnox> cjwatson: hm, looking at ubiquity, it's using partman-auto-crypto - not manual partitioning which allows to drive/toggle the erase flag.
[14:28] <cjwatson> erase is still done by partman-crypto though
[14:28] <xnox> and default is hard-coded and not based on any debconf question (e.g. a bool with low priority)
[14:28] <cjwatson> yeah, but ubiquity can always just prod the partman flag directly - it has support for that kind of thing
[14:29] <xnox> interesting, i don't think i've done that yet. I'll have a look.
[14:31] <cjwatson> p.remove_part_entry(part_id, "skip_erase") or some such
[21:24] <stgraber> xnox: did I misremember that there was some work being done to get a sane swap allocation by default? a friend of mine just told me that on a system with 512GB of RAM and 900GB of SSD, an auto install produced a swap much larger than /...
[21:25] <stgraber> since we don't care about suspend to disk anyway, we really should set an upper limit to a sane value, say, maybe 4GB or so...
[21:27] <stgraber> xnox: apparently on that box, partman decided that a 540GB swap was appropriate ;)
[21:40] <CarlFK> I would not expect sane anything on a box with that much ram ;)
[21:44] <xnox> stgraber: there have been strong demands to "appropriately allocate swap" but nobody yet came up with a formula.
[21:45] <xnox> stgraber: the most halarious combination is when RAM >> "/", then we allocate more swap then space for "/" and thus fail the install as we run out of disk-space on "/"
[21:46] <xnox> stgraber: 540GB swap with 512GB RAM sounds like a bug, since it should be ~= 1xRAM, no more than that.
[21:46] <xnox> stgraber: i find 32GB of swap, with 32GB of ram with a 1TB spinny disk appropriate.
[21:48] <stgraber> yeah, on large disks it's not a huge deal indeed, on expensive enterprise grade SSDs, it's a bit more annoying :)
[21:49] <stgraber> I guess swap == RAM with an upper limit for RAM at 32GB and an upper limit for SWAP at 10% of the total space would be vaguely sane
[21:50] <stgraber> that'd keep the 1 to 1 mapping for most systems but hopefully not kill small SSDs with a large swap and not allocate a completely insane amount of swap on systems with a ton of RAM
[21:52] <xnox> stgraber: i would have thought the limit would be 5% of total disk-space, not 10%. E.g. 4GB of RAM, 4GB of swap with a 80GB disk.
[21:54] <stgraber> hmm, yeah, 5% should be fine too
[21:55] <xnox> and i don't care about VMs / cloud much - cause they either don't use d-i installer, or hypervisor knows how to suspend them.
[21:57] <xnox> stgraber: whoops, we go for: 96 512 200% at the moment. 200% is in terms of RAM, not total disk space, hm....
[22:00] <stgraber> xnox: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Roi8YnMm2VDEtnitsr0fjRRnRJfSwXofM6JTAGzSpA/edit#gid=0
[22:00] <xnox> stgraber: that does not open for me =/
[22:01] <xnox> ah, works now, thanks.
[22:07] <xnox> stgraber: looks good, i'll send that formula to debian-boot for discussion.
[22:10] <stgraber> xnox: cool, thanks!


[03:11]  * Eickmeyer[m] is testing
[03:11]  * Eickmeyer tests back
[05:29] <ubuntu1> show an example of a sources.list entry for ubuntustudio
[06:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> ubuntu1: It would be identical to regular Ubuntu.
[06:17] <ubuntu1> eickmeyer how then to pull the lowlatency ubuntustudio kernel
[06:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> ubuntu1: define pull. Do you mean install?
[06:19] <ubuntu1> yeah
[06:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> sudo apt install linux-lowlatency
[06:20] <ubuntu1> it is pulling or downloading compiles from some autobuild server, so here mostly what is the name of the package
[06:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> You might want this, though:
[06:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer | ubuntu1
[06:22] <ubuntu1> is there a way to specify the subversion of the autobuild
[06:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> No.
[06:22] <ubuntu1> it looks like it is pulling the latest which is what this new install has
[06:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes. That’s expected.
[06:24] <ubuntu1> how to change the default browser in gnome
[06:24] <ubuntu1> from firefox to epiphany
[06:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> As I’m headed to bed, and since that’s not a question specific to Ubuntu Studio, please ask in #ubuntu.
[06:27] <ubuntu1> ok eickmeyer enjoy your rest
[06:27] <ubuntu1> you have been on target with your support maybe I can talk with you through a matrix voice line soon
[06:31] <ubuntu1> if you are still there what is the command for pulling it up with sudo ubuntustudio-installer
[06:31] <ubuntu1> the call for sudo from gui isnt mapping right
[06:32] <ubuntu1> it seems it is jumping to root
[06:33] <ubuntu1> that is the interesting thing about gnome it pulls everything away from root so the user has full control of the computer
[11:07] <studiobot> sioben was removed by: sioben
[12:04] <studio-user726> Good morning
[12:04] <studio-user726> After a long time
[12:04] <studio-user726> Finally, I`m working in Ubuntu Studio
[12:05] <studio-user726> I`m so happy!!1
[21:05] <beeko> Hello. Am new here. total newbie to IRC, but not to Ubuntu Studio. I got a "divide by zero" error that froze it half-way when trying to install US from the new US installer (via PPA) on a fresh install of Kubuntu 19.04. anyone else get this?
[21:07] <beeko> .... rebooted, and ran the recommended remedy suggested in popup, but not sure if it all isntalled ok.


[00:08] <frad> my hdd is 1tb big, being ext4 I assume 1% of the blocks where reserved, but thats 50GB, too much space,
[00:08] <frad> how do I reduce that value?
[00:09] <frad> wait
[00:09] <frad> 5%, so 50GB
[00:10] <knome> frad, googling 'reserved blocks' gives this as the first link... https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41125/ext2-3-4-reserved-blocks-percentage-purpose
[02:47] <xubuntu84i> hellow
[12:22] <roses> how do I tune a luks partition? I did "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda3" and I got "tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda3, /dev/sda3 contains a crypto_LUKS file system"
[12:53] <mentalita> is there an irc client that lets you group related channels in a folder in the channel switcher tree?
[14:15] <kennyloggins> I install the gimp, but IDK how to the launcher on the desktop ?
[14:20] <GridCube> kennyloggins: if you need to add a launcher on the desktop just right click and choose the option, in the command you need to add just type gimp
[14:21] <kennyloggins> GridCube:  but 'gimp' doesn't come up as an option on the launcher, though.  or 'thegimp'
[14:22] <GridCube> open a terminal and just type gimp
[14:22] <GridCube> and see what happens
[14:23] <kennyloggins> yes that just loads the gimp proogram.
[14:23] <GridCube> then just make a launcher that just says gimp as it's command
[14:25] <GridCube> also im pretty sure that you can just migrate the one in whiskers menu by right clicks too
[14:37] <kennyloggins> GridCube: I guess IDK what I am doing : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6bducr
[14:41] <GridCube> kennyloggins: the command needs to say "gimp" just that, it doesnt matter what else says anywhere
[14:41] <GridCube> else
[14:46] <kennyloggins> GridCube: okay - that worked, actually suggeste gimp 2.2 - but I just went went gimp.
[14:46] <kennyloggins> **suggested
[14:46] <GridCube> the numbers are not part of the command
[14:46] <GridCube> you can just put whatever you want on the name part
[14:46] <GridCube> you can also change the icon to whatever you want
[14:47] <kennyloggins> just put 'thegimp' - don't know where the icon is located at ?
[14:47] <GridCube> probably on /etc/icons or something
[14:47] <GridCube> don't know
[14:47] <GridCube> you can always just download a png from google and use that
[14:55] <kennyloggins> Gridcube, okay thanks - got that now . https://imgur.com/3o2JcOp
[14:56] <GridCube> :D
[14:56] <GridCube> neat
[14:57] <mister_popo> hello
[14:57] <GridCube> :D hola mister_popo :P how is kami sama
[14:58] <mister_popo> i'm sorry to bother you, i'm dropping by to ask for help
[14:59] <GridCube> !ask | mister_popo
[14:59] <mister_popo> GridCube: i haven't seen piccolo for a while, but i get he's getting along fine
[14:59] <GridCube> :P
[15:08] <mister_popo> ok, so here goes. i'm sharing a laptop with someone else, let's say my user account is mister_popo and hers is miss_pipi. Under miss_pipi xfce session, the links to "documents","music" and so point to /home/mister_popo/music documents and all. obviously they should point to /home/miss_pipi. I dont know when this happened. For the record, an old ubuntu was installed on this computer (12.10 or so...).
[15:08] <mister_popo> the home is on a sparated partition and xubuntu uses it ( i flushed the ubuntu partition and installed xubuntu over it ). I looked where i could, desperately did a grep -ir mister_popo ~/* in miss_pipi's home folder and found nothing. i looked for symlinks and no, thunar does not use simlinks for its shortcuts. i resorted to digging in the dconf database, i printed all its content ( dconf dump / )
[15:09] <mister_popo> and found at least one occurence of /home/mister_popo ... but it's under the rythmbox settings, so, not related to me. Now i'm at loss. any help is welcome.
[15:14] <mister_popo> in short, where does thunar stores its shortcuts to Music, Documents, Videos and all
[15:28] <GridCube> sorry, i don't know
[16:11] <xubuntu89w> hi
[18:19] <flocculant> mister_popo: check what .config/user-dirs.dirs shows on the wrong one - might help
[18:50] <lignux> Hi, is anyone using neovim with the default xfce terminal? I am seeing a lot of garbage symbols when i try to use it so im wondering if anyone had any similair issues
[18:52] <mister_popo> lignux: locale not properly set ?
[18:53] <lignux> mister_popo: no idea i just installed xubuntu. Previously i used manjaro so i haven't setup anything yet
[18:57] <lignux> Can't seem to resolve it
[19:00] <lignux> Ill just use a different terminal emulator this one sucks
[19:23] <xubox> hi from swizerland
[23:02] <koolkalang> so, firefox and sessions
[23:02] <koolkalang> everytime I logout, the firefox windows move all around
[23:03] <koolkalang> move to different workspaces, and seemingly resize themselves
[23:04] <koolkalang> is there a recommended way to just save the windows so they're all in the right spot - I thought that was what sessions were for